Tipster Claims to Know Location of Missing Woman
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Obesity is an epidemic plaguing our country fueled by processed and fatty foods. Tonight we are going to debate PETA`s controversial "Save the Whales" ad and talk about the real cost of cheap food. And when Michelle Obama urges people to eat their veggies is anybody listening? It`s a story you will only find here on ISSUES. Then, a head-spinning confession: an Arizona woman casually talks on camera about torturing a wheelchair-bound man to death. She claims she drove a nail through his brain and pulled his teeth out; some of this while he is still alive. Is this the sickest thing you ever heard or are we looking at a pathological liar? Startling news tonight in the tragic murder of 28-year-old model Jasmine Fiore: her ex-husband and the prime suspect in her murder reality TV star, Ryan Jenkins, found dead from an apparent suicide. Their deadly relationship started with a quickie Vegas wedding back in March. Despite domestic violence charges and an annulment, the couple seemed happily back together in a video posted on Jenkins` MySpace page just five days before her murder.</s>RYAN JENKINS, MURDER SUSPECT: Wow. God, I love my life. And I love my wife.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: How could that turn into murder and suicide? We will dissect check the fine line between love and hate. This tragedy began to unfold about a week ago when Jasmine Fiore`s dismembered body was found stuffed into a suitcase and tossed into the garbage. The prime suspect, Ryan Jenkins was on the run. The international manhunt came to a halt this weekend when he turned up dead. He was hanging by his neck in a sleazy hotel room. Jasmine`s mom and an ex-boyfriend responds to that news and we have all been wondering what is going on with this case. It is a mystery. The mystery remains. Who is the blond woman who checked in to the motel for Jenkins? Canadian authorities say they know who and where she is but that is it. No other details. TMZ reports she is Ryan Jenkins` ex-fiance. Wow. What kind of charges could this mystery woman face? Straight out to my fantastic panel: Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor and author of "And Justice for Some;" David Schwartz, criminal defense attorney; Judy Kuriansky -- Dr. Judy -- clinical psychologist; Tom Ruskin, former NYPD detective and president of CMT Protective and Investigative Group; and Pat Brown, criminal profiler and CEO of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency. Pat, we look at that video of her dancing in front of the camera and he`s behind the camera saying, "Wow, I love my life. And I love my wife." Now, she is murdered and he is dead from suicide. How does that happen?</s>PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILE: Well, if we are talking about a psychopath who loves things temporarily when he doesn`t really love things like in any kind of strong emotional way. Basically all his possessions -- he loves all his possessions and he lost one of them that made him mad. So now he had a problem. He was about to lose his life, too -- in a sense, he was going to go prison. And for this boy who likes the party life and Las Vegas and pretty girls, perhaps prison life just didn`t appeal to him too much.</s>DR. JUDY KURIANSKY, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I say add to this, Jane, this is not just a psychopath. This is a sadist. Because he -- or by the way, perhaps someone else helping him cuts off fingers and also pulls out teeth. I`m a dentist`s daughter. You are not able to just yank out teeth. Something far more sadistic had to happen, possibly to smash in her face in order to get those teeth out which would have to be yanked out. Sadism plays here and a lot of sexual overtones.</s>TOM RUSKIN, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: And it`s also to cover up the crime.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Is it sadism if it is done after death?</s>BROWN: No.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: Presumably he strangled her...</s>KURIANSKY: Yes, that is...</s>BROWN: No, it isn`t.</s>KURIANSKY: That is a kind of sadism.</s>RUSKIN: A lot of times, someone who`s committing a crime, cuts off the fingers, knocks out the teeth, because they don`t want the dental records or the fingers. What he forgot about is that her breast implants had serial numbers on them and that`s how the police finally ties her to him.</s>KURIANSKY: Who would even think about it? There`s a lot of sexual sadism involved here. You have, in fact -- his choking her to death is -- I`m going to be sitting in Freud`s chair here -- she`s choked to death then he is found hanging by a belt which, by the way, has overtones of that sexual anoxia.</s>BROWN: Oh, no, no, no -- that`s a way to die.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with Dr. Judy that everything has significance.</s>BROWN: The way you kill yourself has psychological significance.</s>KURIANSKY: Exactly, it does.</s>BROWN: Jane, sadism is something that requires the victim to be alive because the point about sexual sadism is that you watch the person suffer and carry it out on longer and longer and longer, watching the eyes and....</s>KURIANSKY: Come on.</s>BROWN: That`s what sexual sadism is.</s>KURIANSKY: That`s only one part of it.</s>DAVID SCHWARTZ, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think, unfortunately, Jane -- unfortunately, Jane, in many of these domestic violence cases, the writing was probably on the wall a long time ago. I know that video it showed something completely different but when you are dealing with volatile relationships, in a domestic violence case, there`s the highs and lows. And it`s too extreme sometimes where the writing is on the wall that something is going to happen.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with you.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second guys -- there was a history of violence against women by this particular suspect. Let`s go to the mystery woman issue. Canadian authorities say they know who and where the mystery blond is who helped Ryan Jenkins get that motel room, paying in cash and then she drives off in her Chrysler and Canadian authorities talked about this. Let`s hear them first.</s>ALLANA HERRLING, MOTEL EMPLOYEE: She was about 20, 25, blond hair, very pretty. She was driving a silver PT Cruiser with Alberta plates. She rented the room and we hadn`t seen her since. She just came for that one day and had checked in and rented the room. I don`t know if he had paid her to rent the room or if he knew her or not. But she had rented the room and she had left right away.</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, Canadian authorities are saying they know who this woman is but they are not saying where she is or what she is going to do. TMZ claims that the blond is this woman, Ryan Jenkins` ex-fiancee but authorities will not confirm that. We have no independent confirmation of it. Her agent says she was working on Friday night and was nowhere near that motel. So we certainly don`t want to involve this poor woman if she has absolutely nothing to do with it. But there is this mystery. Wendy Murphy, why on earth would anybody want to help a guy who everybody in the world knows is on the run because he allegedly strangled and dismembered his wife?</s>WENDY MURPHY, AUTHOR, "AND JUSTICE FOR SOME": Well, first of all, you this for not making me debate sadism on dead bodies. I appreciate that. One thing though...</s>BROWN: Why not Wendy.</s>MURPHY: I think what`s interesting is we don`t know -- we don`t know if this is a family member but if it is just one of these ex-girlfriends, whether it was the one you are mentioning or some other one, she wouldn`t be the first idiot to fall in love with a murderer type. I mean, even Scott Peterson to this day has a fan club of idiots who love the guy. I don`t care about that. But here is what I want to know. I know that Canadian officials are talking about we know who she is. We know what she`s done. When are they going to arrest her because it is a pretty serious crime, even more in the United States, to aid and abet a felon after the fact to help them evade justice? It is a very serious crime in Canada. And you know, the family can`t have justice now because the guy killed himself. That`s not, you know, a terrible thing maybe for them. They are glad. I don`t know. I don`t think anybody deserves to die but they deserve some kind of justice. And maybe if she helped him either get here from the United States or hide in that stupid motel, you know, she should be prosecuted. That`s a serious crime...</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: David, you are the lawyer. It is in Canada though.</s>SCHWARTZ: Why should she be arrested, though?</s>RUSKIN: It is also provided she knew. You have to prove that she knew that he was -- you know, fleeing from authorities in the United States and that she just wasn`t helping them out and renting them a motel room.</s>MURPHY: We all knew. We all knew.</s>RUSKIN: But we are not in Canada.</s>SCHWARTZ: What did she do, Wendy? What`s the evidence against her?</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: Some people don`t watch</s>TV.  MURPHY: I don`t care.</s>MURPHY: You can draw reasonable inferences from her behavior. She kept him hidden in her car.</s>SCHWARTZ: What was her behavior?</s>VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got to go. Got to leave it right there, guys. I forgot my gavel today. I got to bring it back. In Arizona a woman claimed she tortured a man to death. Is she telling the truth or is she a pathological liar? Then obesity: epidemic plaguing our country. Who is at fault? I want to hear from you.