Interview With Barack Obama; Was Michael Jackson Murdered?
COOPER: There's -- there is word tonight that the Jackson family is negotiating behind the scenes with lawyers for Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of Michael Jackson's two oldest kids. Meantime, La Toya Jackson told the London tabloids she believes her brother was murdered for his money. Randi Kaye joins us from Los Angeles for those details and more in a "360 Follow." Randi there was supposed to be a hearing today, a custody hearing for the Jackson kids but got postponed for a second time. Do we know why?</s>RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have been looking into that, Anderson, and a source close to the family told us that Katherine Jackson's attorney is actually trying to broker a deal regarding custody. This source told us the family is trying to sort out what they want from Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson's ex-wife. We are told the family certainly wants her to give up any notion of custody and any visitation rights. But apparently, the family is also trying to work out some nondisclosure agreement which Jackson even had with Rowe after she got divorced. She wasn't allowed to talk to the media about him or even talk about her children. Our source says the family may even force Rowe to agree may not to give any more media interviews, Anderson.</s>COOPER: And has Rowe signaled at all whether or not she's going to agree to this and, if so, any word on how much money may be changing hands?</s>KAYE: Well, the same source actually told us that Rowe has showed that she is willing to hear the family out and possibly agree to a deal just like this. Now remember, it was Michael Jackson who raised these kids all this time. She had visitation rights originally at one point, but that never actually worked out. Now as far as money, absolutely part of the deal. It seems like there is quite a large payoff, actually, in the works. Our source told us that Rowe stands to be paid, quote, "many millions" if she agrees to give up any contact and any custody with her two children so the singer's mother, Katherine, can actually raise them.</s>COOPER: What about this interview that La Toya Jackson gave to a London newspaper? The reporter who did the interview was just on "LARRY KING" tonight, but in that interview, La Toya made some comments about Debbie Rowe, sister-in-law and custody of the kids. What did she say?</s>KAYE: Well, that interview with La Toya Jackson took place last week, I'm told. And we've confirmed that London's "Daily Mail" newspaper actually paid La Toya for that interview.</s>COOPER: Wow. Big surprise there.</s>KAYE: Yes, I know. Right. La Toya is quoted as saying in the article, "These are not Debbie's kids. They don't even know that she's their mother. Like everyone else in his life, she was motivated by money." That's a direct quote from La Toya Jackson. We tried to reach Debbie Rowe for comment through her attorneys several times today, but our calls were not returned. Now here's the other headline. The paper says La Toya told the reporter, quote, "I believe Michael was murdered. I felt that from the start. Not just one person was involved; rather a conspiracy of people." She actually used the word "murder." Now, according to the article, La Toya blamed a, quote, "shadowy entourage" and said her brother's handlers saw him as a, quote, "cash cow" and fed him addictive drugs to control his moods. The newspaper said La Toya believed this led to her brother's death. Now, here's what the reporter who interviewed La Toya told Larry King tonight about the control his handlers appeared to have.</s>CAROLINE GRAHAM, DAILY MAIL REPORTER: Joe Jackson went to the front door on many occasions, he told me. He went to the front gate. They wouldn't let him in. When La Toya called the house, she couldn't speak to her brother. This is all very suspicious.</s>COOPER: So did this article in "The Daily Mail" offer any new information about the circumstances surrounding his death?</s>KAYE: Actually, Anderson, the reporter that La Toya told her Jackson was not found in his bed. As you know, that's been widely reported since day one. But that he was actually in a nearby bedroom belonging to his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray. Murray, we already know, and we've confirmed, has been interviewed twice by investigators. His car was examined but later returned to him. We don't know what was found, if anything, inside it. Dr. Murray's spokesperson told us today, in response to La Toya's comments, quote, "That is just not true. Dr. Murray administered CPR on Michael Jackson in Jackson's room. I'm not sure where La Toya is getting that. She wasn't even there," end quote. The attorney for Dr. Murray refused to comment at all on La Toya's statement about seeing an intravenous drip stand in her brother's room and oxygen canisters apparently lining the walls.</s>COOPER: And is there any word tonight on Jackson's autopsy, on the results of the toxicology report?</s>KAYE: The L.A. county coroner told CNN today that results from Jackson's autopsy could be announced as early as Friday, but it's looking more likely midweek next week. We, of course, are staying on top of it.</s>COOPER: All right, Randi. Thanks. Let's dig deeper. Joining us again, senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. So last week Joe Jackson said that foul play may have been involved. I think that was a paid interview or an interviewer, somebody paid for pictures. And we just heard La Toya Jackson in another paid interview went further by saying it was murder and that a, quote, "conspiracy of people" led to his death. What do you make of all this?</s>TOOBIN: I don't make much of it, Anderson. I really am so skeptical of this. Think about the facts and circumstances we know. There is no suggestion that somebody intentionally killed Michael Jackson. This is just nonsense as far as I can tell. Yes, there may be questions about the quality of medical care he got. Yes, that's possible negligence involved or something like that, but the -- but murder just seems completely...</s>COOPER: So murder is different than homicide.</s>TOOBIN: Well, in layman's terms, murder is intentional homicide. Murder is someone intentionally...</s>COOPER: so if he died of a drug overdose and was given prescriptions he shouldn't have had or too many or, you know, intravenous -- you know, whatever drugs, if he was given drugs intravenously to put him to sleep or put him in a sleep-like state, and that was inappropriate, that wouldn't be murder?</s>TOOBIN: That certainly wouldn't be murder. You could conceivably accuse someone of manslaughter, which is unintentional taking of a life. But remember, there's a lot more any investigator would need to know, including what role Jackson himself played in getting the drugs to him. I mean, that's a big issue in the case.</s>COOPER: And so doctors -- you know, if they tracked down what doctors gave him what drugs, what could they be charged with?</s>TOOBIN: Well, they could be charged with some sort of professional misconduct, which could result in the loss of their license. They could be sued civilly for damages by Jackson's estate, or there could be some sort of criminal charge for some sort of manslaughter. But, again, I don't want to assume any misconduct on the part of these doctors until there's a lot more evidence.</s>COOPER: And in terms of the custody, I mean, I don't know how many times Debbie Rowe can apparently give up custody of these kids. Because allegedly she did it once before for a sum of money and then somehow got it back and now, I guess, there may be some negotiations behind the scenes. I don't even know if that's really true. It's all, you know, one source telling us this. What happens? I mean, what happens in terms of the custody?</s>TOOBIN: Well, Michael Jackson's death really changes the whole situation. And as the surviving parent, she does have a reasonable claim to custody of these children, at least in the abstract. So if you are the Jackson family, and if you really want to see Katherine Jackson have custody of these children, the possibility of a settlement is certainly one you'd want to consider. And Debbie Rowe, just to put this crudely, she sold her children once; she may want to sell them again. It looks like this is an opportunity to cash in for her.</s>COOPER: And theoretically, she could make some sort of a deal, get money for it and not have a relationship with the kids and then, when they become adults one day have a relationship with the kids, if the kids want it?</s>TOOBIN: Right. These kids are approaching the age where they will have contact with who they want to have contact with. But in terms of custody, which is a legal status for minor children, and the oldest child is 12, Debbie Rowe does have at least a claim that a judge would want to listen to. And it might be in the Jacksons family interest to say, "Here's some money in return for you not putting that claim before the judge."</s>COOPER: All right, Jeff, thanks. We've got to get some better video of Debbie Rowe, because we're using that video where she was, like, ambushed on the street by, like, a mob of paparazzi. I feel a little bit bad for her on that one. So we'll try to use some other video. Jeff, thanks very much. Appreciate it.</s>COOPER: Earlier, President Obama talked about the slave trade from Africa in our discussion. Coming up next, we're going to take you to a place where slavery is still a problem. Dr. Sanjay Gupta meets kids forced into labor. You won't believe what their lives are like and what he found. And a good news story out of Iraq. A welcome sign of change there. Michael Ware is covering a historic battle on the soccer field. It is our "Shot of the Day."