Bombshell Arrest, Golden State Serial Killer Caught; Bill Cosby Found Guilt.
PAT LALAMA, GUEST HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: We begin with breaking news tonight, just a few hours ago in Norristown, Pennsylvania, jurors found Bill Cosby guilty on all three counts of aggravated indecent assault. The jury deliberated about 14 hours, ultimately believing Aundrea Constand, who testify that Cosby drug her and when she woke he was assaulting her. Five other women told the same story to jurors, Cosby is free on $1 million bond until his sentencing date which has not been determined. But the Judge ruled that he should not leave his home in the Philadelphia suburbs, and must wear a GPS tracking device. Cosby now facing up to 30 years in prison. And that is not the only breaking story we`re covering. We`re also bringing you the latest on the capture of the man police say terrorized Northern California for years, the Golden State Killer. Good evening everyone. I`m Pat Lalama from "Crime Watch Daily" in for Ashleigh Banfield.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A flashlight shining in my eyes, and this large butcher knife.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Crimes that spanned 10 years across at least ten different counties, northern, central and southern California.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m gonna kill you. Shut up, shut up.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He enjoys the terror.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Passion, persistence, knowledge, finally came to an answer.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stake out his house and then they caught him when he left the house. An arrest that happened perfectly.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t believe he is been that close for that long.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s scary to think that someone like that lives bumper to bumper with me.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Women who raped and survived, you have to believe that they can sleep tonight.</s>LALAMA: Good evening, everyone. I`m Pat Lalama from "Crime Watch Daily," in for Ashleigh Banfield, and this is "Crime and Justice." Tonight, investigators, crime buffs and just about the entire state of California are learning everything they can about the Golden State Killer. Joseph James DeAngelo, was arrested after a decade long killing and rape spree that left 12 dead and countless with everlasting scars.</s>DEBORAH FISCHER, NEIGHBOR: It shakes you to the core, it really does, mostly when you grew up with the fear of him, and to find out he lives right around the corner? That somebody as heinous as that could live here. It`s just unbelievable.</s>LALAMA: The former cop turned alleged serial killer was reportedly shocked when authorities came to his home outside Sacramento. He was so settled into his life in suburbia that he told officers he had a roast in the oven upon arrest. They told him they`d take care of it. And now they`re searching room by room for clues to look inside the mind of an alleged serial killer. I want to bring in my panel investigative journalist, Billy Jensen, Jane Carson, Golden State Killer victim, Paul Holes, cold case investigator, he began working on the Golden State Killer in 1994, and defense attorney, Heather Hansen, and on the phone, Larry Crompton, former sergeant, with the Contra Costa County Sheriff`s Office and the author of "Sudden terror." Straight ahead, now I a m going to tell you, I am going right to Billy Jensen, my colleague, my esteemed colleague at "Crime Watch Daily," and also you helped finish the book that is now being so discussed, and that is "I`ll be home in the dark." Billy, something brand new that just came out. Let me read to you, this is from the Sacramento Bee, that we are reporting, the suspect police say is the Golden State Killer was found using DNA matching information from genealogy websites. Now, yesterday we were told that was probably unlikely. Do you have any thoughts about that? I`m don`t springing it on you just right at this last second, but want to know what you think about that.</s>BILLY JENSEN, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: You know, it`s not so much you`re springing it on me, because that is what it sounded like at the press conference. It sounded like, they were talking about. This would solve the familial DNA that it was pointed in the right direction via a family member and then they had to just sort of, you know, eliminate suspects and suspects and then find the guy and they looked into his background. And said, this is the guy, we need to hang out at his house and then get some discarded DNA. That is exactly what it sounded like when they were talking about. I guess, they just weren`t willing to talk about it yesterday, but we found that out today and that is not a surprise at all.</s>LALAMA: Well, Billy, let me ask you this, so, you know, the big question of the day yesterday, and still today is, why did they even start looking for discarded DNA? So my question still is, does this have to do with some new revelation, or do you think it`s just the advancement of technology that allowed this to happen?</s>JENSEN: I think who it might have been is that, you know, we were constant and I knew people, we were doing it ourselves, we were constantly taking his DNA and checking it against public DNA databases. Now, the DNA databases like 23 and ancestry.com that are closed, you can`t do that, but there`s other DNA databases where people will take their DNA and put them up there just because they`re hobbyists or just because they want to find more information or find more people that they`re related to. That might have been what happened. I don`t want to speculate, but it sounds like that might have been what happened. And then, you`re constantly putting, you know, if somebody just put their sample in there six months ago, then it comes up to a time when you would have, you know, - - somebody would have entered this other sample from the crime scenes and then there was a match.</s>LALAMA: It`s so mind blowing, though, how technology has helped us advance in adjudicating cases. And on the phone we have Larry Crompton. Larry, you were the man who sounded the alarm. You were the one that kept trying to tell everyone there was a connection between the East Area Rapist and the Original Night Stalker. What do you think about this latest information about genealogy?</s>LARRY CROMPTON, FORMER SERGEANT, CONTRA COSTA COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, I wish that they could have used it earlier, back then when he was sitting in our area, we didn`t even know about DNA, so we didn`t have any information. And now that he is caught and in jail, I hope they get an opportunity to talk to him, find out what was in his mind as to why he was the way that he was.</s>LALAMA: Paul Holes, cold case investigator, just to stay on this genealogy connection for a minute, what do you make of it?</s>PAUL HOLES, COLD CASE INVESTIGATOR: Well, you know, trying to find an offender like this, we want to make sure that we employ all available technologies. And up until about a year ago, we exhausted everything that was available to us. So that is when we did resort to having to try to see, if we could find individuals in which the DNA would point us in a certain direction into a family circle. And that is what we set out to do.</s>LALAMA: Well, and it`s just an incredible, incredible situation here. Heather Hansen, defense attorney, you know, this whole DNA, I`ve covered dozens and dozens of trials and defense attorneys continuously tried to say well, these numbers, these statistics aren`t valid. You`ve got a real fight if you represented this guy, because of the advancements, don`t you think?</s>HEATHER HANSEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely, Pat. I mean, these types of testing is very difficult to get around. And in this situation, I think, that not only are we seeing technology get better, but we`re seeing more and more people access it. And I think it`s the combination of those two things that really hit the jackpot here. Because it`s now available to almost anyone who wants to send away a swab and get their family ancestry. So it`s the technology in combination with the public access that allows for something like this. And I hope and pray that the same type of technology is now applied to all those rape kits that are out there with similar</s>DNA. LALAMA: Absolutely, I think this is going to open a floodgate. But the thing about advanced technology in DNA, it`s not just good for conviction, it`s also good for exoneration, Heather, correct?</s>HANSEN: That is absolutely right. It can be used on both sides. And ultimately it helps the innocent people prove their innocence, and helps prosecutors prove the guilt. And you know, the defense attorney in this case will have to contest the way the DNA was taken, the way that it was studied and the way it was tested.</s>LALAMA: Or if it was compromised in any way along the way.</s>HANSEN: Absolutely. But there are some cases that are very difficult to defend. And it looks as though this is going to be one of them.</s>LALAMA: Billy Jensen, back to you, my colleague at Crime Watch Daily, author, producer, correspondent, you do it all, the renaissance man, I want to read something to you that I found out, it was an article written about DeAngelo when he became a police officer and someone wrote an article about it. Quote, James DeAngelo believes that without law and order there can be no -- there can be no government and without a Democratic government here there can be no freedom. What a juxtaposition to what he turned out to be, allegedly.</s>JENSEN: You know, and I think, he probably hid behind a lot of that stuff.</s>LALAMA: Yes.</s>JENSEN: You know, the first thing we did when we first heard the news, it was 1:00 in the morning when I got a text and I had to confirm it first and I talked to Debbi Domingo, one of -- whose mother was murdered by him. And I wanted to confirm it, before I went and told everybody, went and told Patten Oswald too, who is the husband of Michelle, who wrote the book. And, you know, then we started digging into newspaper.com and start to finding this articles, this articles about him, being caught shoplifting, this articles about that he was in the dive association and really putting all the things that we had thought about him together. And we had thought that maybe he might have been either a failed police officer, or somebody that tried to be a police officer, or something like that, had tried to be a police officer or was really deeply into the military. That was not a surprise. But what was a surprise is that he was a police officer that was, you know, so close to these areas, and he very well could have used that to escape.</s>LALAMA: Right.</s>JENSEN: Now this could have been just another one of his escape routes.</s>LALAMA: Right, if you look at the timeline it seems almost positive that he was committing some of the crimes while he wore the badge and carried the gun. Do you think?</s>JENSEN: Absolutely and I think the fact that, you know, we knew -- that he knew -- the reason why he kept on picking these neighborhoods is because he knew all the escape routes to these neighborhoods. I think this was another escape route. What this was is, if somebody would have caught him on the street he might have flipped the badge, he might have named a name if a cop might have come up to him. And these stories are going to come out now that we start seeing photos of him from what he looked like back then. Because the photos that he looked like when he was the Visalia Ransacker, his face was a lot fuller and he was a lot heavier. He lost a lot of weight between when he was the Ransacker to when he was the East Area Rapist.</s>LALAMA: Very good, very good. Jane Carson, I am so privileged to talk to you, what a time this must be for you as a victim of the alleged rapist killer. Just pour it out to me, girl. I want to hear everything.</s>JANE CARSON, GOLDEN STATE KILLER VICTIM: I can`t tell you how overjoyed I am, how ecstatic I am, how relieved I am. I mean, I got -- actually, I received an e-mail yesterday morning, I was at a hotel with my husband in Wilson, North Carolina, and first thing in the morning, I turned on my phone and there was an e-mail from Larry Crompton, and he said, I guess you already know, Jane, but we`ve got him and I didn`t know. I had no idea. So, oh, my goodness, my husband and I screamed, cried, yelled, woke up the whole hotel. I mean we were -- talk about being a hot mess, I was a hot mess and I still am, because I just can`t believe that this has truly happened and then I called Carol Daley, the detective that had taken me to the emergency room, 42 years ago and she did confirm that he was behind bars in Sacramento.</s>LALAMA: Wow. You`re a pretty amazing hot mess. Stay right there, because we`re going to go to some sound. What have we got?</s>CARSON: I was 21 when I joined the air force nurse corps and spent the next 40 years with the Air Force being both in the reserves and on active duty. I think it was right after he raped me, he said you looked really good at the "O" club last week, that officer`s club, but "O" club, now that is something that we in the military would use, that term, "O" club versus officer`s club. For him to say "O" club made me think this guy has some military connection, so he knows that I`m in the military, my husband`s in the military, how did he know that?</s>LALAMA: That is so chilling, Jane, because I`ve been wondering, did he select his victims, was it random? What do you think?</s>CARSON: Well, what`s interesting is I also lived in Citrus Heights at this time. So he very well could have been my neighbor, which is -- I just can`t imagine. I often wonder how long he had stalked me, where he had first seen me, had it been in the military, ha I actually been at the officer`s club, or Travis where I was stationed? I had no idea. That is my --</s>LALAMA: Unbelievable.</s>CARSON: Yes, really.</s>LALAMA: Larry Crompton, let me ask you, just -- kind of following on what Jane is talking about, did you have a sense of whether this man premeditated his victims, alleged victims, or, just you know, at the moment he gets an urge and he is got to go do something devious, what do you think?</s>CROMPTON: No, I believe that he spent a lot of time on it, finding out where he was going to go. He would set the houses up. And some of them he would even go in when they weren`t home and unlock a window or a door. And put the shoe laces hidden inside so he`d have them there to tie them up. And then he`d wait until they went to sleep. And then he would go in and wake them up.</s>LALAMA: Wow, unbelievable.</s>CROMPTON: There was a few times where the ones that -- the lady that was sexually assaulted was not the one that he had in mind. It just happened that he went by that house, and she was in the open. And he attacked her. And the following week, he attacked the one that he originally was after, which was a 13-year-old girl. And -- but most of the time I think he did go into the area, wander through it, find out what it was, and knew who was in the houses and which ones he wanted to go to.</s>LALAMA: All right. Stay right there, Larry. We`ll come back to you. Straight ahead. More of our continuing coverage of the arrest of Joseph James DeAngelo, the alleged Golden State Killer. And At 8:00 Eastern, HLN presents an encore presentation of all five episodes of "Unmasking a killer," HLN`s in-depth investigation into the decades long search for the Golden State Killer.