Interview With House Majority Leader Eric Cantor; Interview With South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham
GLORIA BORGER, CNN ANCHOR: This morning on STATE OF THE UNION, for the first time,Eric Cantor tells us the inside story of an epic election fail. What brought down one of the most powerful men in Washington, and what does it mean for the Republican Party?</s>REP. ERIC CANTOR (R-VA), HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER: Obviously, we came up short.</s>BORGER: And, in Iraq, desperate days, a state of emergency and an urgent search for next steps.</s>BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The United States is not simply going to involve itself in a military action in the absence of a political plan by the Iraqis.</s>BORGER: Senator Lindsey Graham on the nightmare scenario, a bloody conflict that could drag in every country in the Middle East.</s>SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I think it directly impacts our security here at home.</s>BORGER: And Hillary Clinton off and signing and plagued once again by the dicey politics of Iraq.</s>DANA BASH, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning from Washington. I'm Dana Bash.</s>BORGER: And I'm Gloria Borger. Candy Crowley is off today. Dana, you have got the big interview of the day with the number two man in the House Republican Party. Eric Cantor shocked all of Washington by losing his primary this week.</s>BASH: That's right. I just finished the interview. And there were so many questions to ask.</s>BORGER: Right.</s>BASH: The first, of course, was why he thinks he lost.</s>CANTOR: You know, Dana, I think the obvious is, I came up short in terms of number of votes.</s>BASH: But why?</s>CANTOR: But I -- I really don't think that there is any one reason for the outcome of the election, that there's just a lot of things that go through voters' minds when they go through the voting booth. But I will tell you one thing. We ran my campaign the same way that I'm trying to focus my work here in the debate in Washington, and that is focusing on people who have real problems.</s>BASH: I just want to go a little bit to that night in particular. Obviously, the reaction for people like me and everybody who cover you was shock and disbelief. What was it like to be you? Take us to the moment when you realized, wow, I'm going to lose here.</s>CANTOR: Well, you know, I was with my family. And it's very comforting, as you know, if you have a strong family. I have a wonderful wife of 25 years, three wonderful kids, two of whom were with me. And I told them, I said, look, dad is going to lose. And I actually called my son who works up in New York and I told him. He said, you're kidding. And I said, no, I'm really not. He said, you're kidding. I said, no. I said, look, but things happen for a reason. We don't always know right here and now why. And I think the perspective of time will actually indicate something that may have seemed really bad at the time can turn out to be really good.</s>BASH: Your pollster had you up 34 points. You ended up losing by 12 points. Now, he sent us a memo overnight arguing that he thinks it's that Democrats voted in your Republican primary, which is allowed in Virginia. Let me just read you a quote. He said: "The untold story is, who were the new -- 19,000 new primary voters? They aren't Republicans. Certainly, the extra voter surge of non-Republican non- primary voters seriously hurt." Do you think that Democrats came out for some mischief and voted you out?</s>CANTOR: You know, Dana, I don't think it's really worthwhile. I know there's going to be a lot of people and pollsters and analysts...</s>BASH: You're a pol. You're such a pol. You know you -- I'm sure you're thinking about it.</s>CANTOR: No. No, I'm not, because I'm looking forward. And I think, again, a lot of folks are going to be interested in that. But, to me, the problems that people are facing in this country are a lot greater than any kind of setback, political setback, personal setback that I have got. So, I really am very focused on continuing on the mission that I have tried to be about here in Washington. It's those reform conservative solutions that actually can be applied to people's problems in the working middle class of this country, the poor, and for everyone.</s>BASH: I was told that, the day after you lost, you came into the office. You were the one comforting your staffers who were crying. In the meeting with fellow Republican lawmakers, you were comforting people who were crying. You mentioned just before your family and what a family man you are. I know that side of you because I get to cover you in the hallways of Congress every day. Do you think that, looking back, maybe you were maybe perceived not as -- as -- that perception of you as a human being didn't get across as much, and that people crave authenticity these days? Do you kind of regret that?</s>CANTOR: Listen, I don't have any regrets, because I remain focused on the mission that I'm about. I have been so honored to represent the people of the Seventh District of Virginia, one of the highest honors of my life, and then to be privileged by my colleagues to serve as majority leader. Huge. I mean, that's such a privilege. So, again, I am looking forward, having, I think, felt good about the kinds of things that we have done thus far while we have been in majority. And I know my colleagues will continue that...</s>BASH: I have -- I know you don't want to look back. I have two more questions on this, important ones. Immigration. A lot has been made about whether immigration played a role into this. You -- what I want to know is -- I actually have maybe a different take -- is whether or not you supported and still support giving legal status to illegal immigrant children. And -- and you sent some flyers out. And you made very clear, politically -- there you see it up there -- that you think that it's amnesty and that you're against illegal immigration. Is part of the issue that maybe you -- it was a little too wishy-washy and you didn't go all in?</s>CANTOR: Listen, I -- my position on immigration has not changed. It was the way it is before the primary, during and now. And I took a principled position. I have always said that I am not for a comprehensive amnesty bill. But I have always said that I was for the kids who do, to no fault of their own, find themselves here and know no other place as home. Now, I know that that can make a lot of people mad on both sides. But I do think it's the only plausible way forward in terms of immigration reform, that we focus on the things that we agree on, not that which we don't, and build the trust, so that we can get something done. I have said this to the president. My colleagues are aware of my position. And, again, it did, I'm sure, aggravate people on both sides of the issue, but it is the principled position that I have taken, and I believe it's the right one.</s>BASH: The role of religion. You are a Jewish Republican, the only Jewish Republican in the House. You started your discussion after you lost quoting the Old Testament, talking about your Jewish faith. Your district is one- quarter of 1 percent Jewish. And your opponent, David Brat, really put his Christian faith front and center. I want you to listen to one of the things he said.</s>DAVE BRAT (R), VIRGINIA CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: The miracle that just happened, this is a miracle from God that just happened.</s>BRAT: That miracle did not just float down from heaven.</s>BASH: Do you think that there was anti-Semitism involved in your defeat?</s>CANTOR: Listen, I don't ever want to impute that to anybody. As you rightly say, I'm born and raised Jewish. My faith is very important to me. And, you know, I know that I'm going to continue to try and work with the lessons that I have learned from my early years in Hebrew school, learning about the Old Testament and much greater leaders than I with personal setbacks, but always focused on being optimistic about the future. Our country has so much potential. I believe that the Republican Party is one that taps into that innate potential.</s>BASH: Well, on -- on that issue, when the shutdown ended at the end of last year, you said in private, my understanding is, your fellow Republicans should stop eating their own. You got eaten. So, on that note, what does your loss mean for the Republican Party?</s>CANTOR: Well, I think that -- I have always -- and I said that day that we reopened the government that we, as conservatives and as Republicans, we may have some differences, but they pale in comparison to the differences that we have with the left.</s>BASH: But the voters in your own district didn't buy that. They voted another Republican in, instead of you.</s>CANTOR: Again, again, going -- going back is not what I want to do. I want to go forward.</s>BASH: But I -- but, I mean, as a forward-looking issue, if you can't beat a Republican, what does it mean about Republicans going forward?</s>CANTOR: I am -- I am determined to continue on the mission that our party needs to be one of inclusion, not exclusion. There are so many more things that bind us together than pull us apart. And, frankly, if we compare that to the liberalism on the left and those who believe the government is going to provide all the answers, there is enough great difference between us as conservatives and the left for us to be focusing on that. And I think, ultimately, our country needs a strong, robust Republican Party that believes in the principles of limited government, personal responsibility, a hand up, not a handout. And I'm going to continue to work on that mission as I go forward.</s>BASH: Are you going to vote for David Brat?</s>CANTOR: Listen, I -- I want a Republican to hold this seat. Of course, of course. I -- this is about making sure that we have a strong Republican majority in the House. I'm hopeful we will take it in the Senate as well, very optimistic about that, so we can frankly have a real check and balance on the kinds of things that are making it so tough for people under the Obama economy.</s>BASH: What's next for you? I know it's soon. Any chance you would run for governor of Virginia?</s>CANTOR: No, I tell you, I -- I am right now looking forward to sitting down with my wife, Diana. And we have talked a little bit. But we're going to talk some more about the future and...</s>BASH: But you're not done with politics?</s>CANTOR: You know, I -- I'm not ready to close out any options right now. I just think that, right now, there's a lot of opportunity. I have been very gratified by the people who have already called and say, hey, what are you doing? And I know that in my almost, I think, 23 years of public service now between the Virginia House and the House up here, you know, there are ways to serve, not just in public office. And I'm looking forward to engaging in those kinds of things and to continue on the mission of reform conservatism, the way that we have here, that actually helps people by our applying those conservative solutions.</s>BASH: Mr. Leader, Happy Father's Day.</s>CANTOR: Thank you.</s>BASH: Thank you so much for coming in.</s>CANTOR: Thank you.</s>BASH: Appreciate it.</s>BASH: So, Gloria, I tried to get him off his talking points.</s>BORGER: You did.</s>BASH: I don't know how successful I was. But the one thing that I thought was interesting is that he's definitely trying to be a good Republican soldier. He is going to vote for David Brat, the guy who just beat him in the general election.</s>BORGER: You know, what -- what struck me is that I think he's clearly thinking about a career in politics at some point in the future, because he did stick with those Republican talking points. He did not sound like somebody who is the number two person in the House who had just been buried by a political unknown. And so he sounds like he's kind of going to plot a comeback.</s>BASH: That's right.</s>BORGER: And -- but, today, Dana, we also have with us somebody who won his Republican primary. He beat back six Tea Party challengers from the right -- that's six of them.</s>BORGER: Senator Lindsey Graham, thank you so much for being here.</s>GRAHAM: Glad to be with you.</s>BORGER: And, you know, it's a conservative state, South Carolina.</s>GRAHAM: Yes.</s>BORGER: You beat them all back.</s>GRAHAM: Mm-hmm.</s>BORGER: So, here is the softball.</s>BORGER: What did you do right that Eric Cantor did wrong?</s>GRAHAM: I think I defined myself in a very good way. I had an air game and a ground game very coordinated. Politics is war in another form. We had a lot of money, but we had 5,200 precinct captains. So, we prepared the ground game. Nobody saw that coming. We really overwhelmed them on the ground. But I was a conservative leader who gets things done.</s>BORGER: Well, you also talked about immigration, and your state of South Carolina so conservative. You're for immigration reform. You did not run away from it.</s>GRAHAM: Right.</s>BORGER: You defended it. How did you manage to win doing that?</s>GRAHAM: Sixty-five percent of South Carolina Republicans support an earned pathway to citizenship. If you secure the border, have more legal immigration, and control who gets a job, 65 percent of South Carolinians say, learn the English language, pay a fine, get in back of the line, pass criminal background checks, wait 10 years. Then you can apply for a green card. If you have done all these things, if you're a nonfelon, 65 percent of the Republicans in my state said that made sense.</s>BORGER: So, what did -- what did Eric Cantor do wrong, though?</s>GRAHAM: I don't think he defined...</s>BORGER: And what lesson is there for Republicans?</s>GRAHAM: I think the first thing you ought to do -- this issue is big, right? Take a stand. Thirty-five percent that disagree what I have said, I didn't run a campaign trying to change their mind. I ran a campaign talking to the 65 percent, but, more than anything else, the biggest fault I -- attributed to me by my opponents was that I would work with the other side to get things done. I turned that into my biggest asset.</s>BORGER: Well, that was a problem for Cantor, particularly on immigration. Senator, we have to squeeze in a quick break here. So, stay with us.</s>GRAHAM: To pay the bills.</s>BORGER: And then we are going to be back with Dana Bash. We're going to switch gears and we're going to talk about Iraq and whether the American people are ready to spend more money or risk one more life there. Stay with us.