California's Big Democratic Primary; Will Sanders Supporters Back Clinton?
LEMON: California's primary just days away. For the Democrats, this is a big one. Back now is Kristen Soltis Anderson, Matt Lewis, Maria Cardona and Joseph Borelli on a Monday evening. Joseph, you say there are two more bad weeks for Hillary Clinton, why do you say that?</s>BORELLI: Look, Bernie Sanders isn't going away anytime soon and if Hillary Clinton doesn't win the nomination with the required number of delegates being pledged delegates, I think it might actually be longer than two rough weeks ahead to Hillary Clinton because he's not going to go anywhere. He's going to continue to cause her this inconvenience up until the convention if not, straight through. We see her behind in the polls this week. We see her trending down and this is going to continue over the next two weeks if not beyond.</s>LEMON: Well Bernie Sanders, Kristen, says he's not going anywhere until the last vote is counted for the primaries at least until the convention. If Secretary Clinton now wins California do you think Sanders will bow out then?</s>ANDERSON: It seems to me he's ready for a fight and his goal I think at this point is to go all the way to the convention, if not, to actually be the nominee, but to wield a lot of influence over things like the platform (ph), to wield a lot of influence over the agenda of the Democrats, adopting the message that they've carried forward through November. So, if I'm Bernie Sanders, I don't go down without a fight. I don't simply pack up my toys and go home. I think Bernie Sanders, he's got a lot of momentum -- he has the case at this point to make it he's the more electable of the two in this race. So, it's hard for me to see a reason why he just decides, well, you know what, it's time to unify, I'll step down.</s>LEMON: Go ahead Maria.</s>CARDONA: Well, at some point I think he's going to have to come to that conclusion unless he wants to see Donald Trump in the White House, but I take him at his word. I take Jeff Weaver at his word, his campaign manager, who says that, you know, if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee Bernie Sanders will come out and endorse her and she will be the nominee. There is no way that she won't be the nominee. The question is how long will it take for him to do that. And I agree, this right now is hurting Hillary Clinton that's why see her poll numbers are not as robust as they could be, had the Democratic Party united at this point. But I am fully confident the way that it happened in 2008 and you have percentages of Bernie Sanders -- more percentages of Bernie Sanders supporters who say that they will support Hillary Clinton than what you had Hillary Clinton supporters say that they would support Barack Obama in 2008, and that turned out to be a fantastic election for the Democratic Party. We were unified and this is exactly what I believe is going to happen this time around.</s>LEMON: Bernie Sanders does poll better than Hillary Clinton up against Donald Trump.</s>LEWIS: Yeah he does although...</s>CARDONA: Those polls mean nothing right now, you guys know that, come on.</s>LEWIS: Of course they don't.</s>LEMON: Of course they don't.</s>CARDONA: Ask President Romney, ask President McCain if those polls mean anything.</s>LEWIS: They mean something but not that much and Hillary yesterday, you know, said "Well, but Bernie hasn't had any attack ads." He's had some but not much. Bernie has basically been unscathed and a lot of people like him but how would he hold up during, sort of a withering general election campaign, maybe not as well as he has so far.</s>CARDONA: That's exactly right.</s>LEMON: So, earlier today and -- go ahead Kristen.</s>ANDERSON: I'll say this in Hillary Clinton's defense, when you look at the polls of Democratic voters, the reason why Bernie Sanders does so well isn't because Democratic voters really dislike Hillary Clinton, it's because they really like Bernie Sanders. And so I think the prospects for unity are there. I think there are certainly a handful of vocal (ph) Bernie Sanders supporters who say they're never Hillary, they're making a big fuss, but I do think that we're likely to see the Democratic Party unify. I think once that happens, this general election polls will become a little...</s>LEMON: The councilman says two more weeks of bad news for Hillary Clinton, but my question is this, earlier today on CNN David Gergen said that having huge crowds at a movement behind him has to gone to Sanders head. Maria, what do you think of that? Do you agree?</s>CARDONA: You know, I think there is something to that. It has got to be intoxicating to go up on a stage and see tens of thousands of people screaming your name and that's not going to be something that you're easily give up if you've never really had that in your life so, I understand that. I get it. But I also think that when it comes down to it, Bernie Sanders really does believe in this movement as do his supporters and when they have a choice to make between having Donald Trump in the White House where you will have completely your progressive values absolutely 150 percent eviscerated by this man who will be nothing but a free loader- in-chief to America's working class and middle class families versus Hillary Clinton who has so much more in common with...</s>LEMON: Free loader-in -chief? What does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean Maria? What is a free loader-in chief?</s>LEWIS: In some ways Trump and Sanders...</s>CARDONA: I'll tell you -- I'll tell you -- I'll tell you. So, today for example, we saw and we've actually heard this before that Donald Trump pocketed money from the 9/11 fund that was supposed to go to help small businesses revitalize after the tragedy of 9/11. We also have seen him various times now having a quote that said he was giddy about the ongoing or the upcoming housing crisis in 2007 because he could make money off of it.</s>BORELLI: By the way, Hillary Clinton supported the fund (inaudible) so just be careful what you say.</s>CARDONA: And by the way, he paid zero -- he paid zero in taxes in '78 and '79 and probably doesn't pay any taxes now which is why he doesn't want us to see his tax returns. That is free loading. Free loader-in- chief is what this guy is running for.</s>LEMON: Joseph first and then Matt. Go ahead Joseph.</s>BORELLI: I don't even know what a free loader means. Let's paint a picture.</s>CARDONA: Look it up. (Laughter)</s>BORELLI: Let's make a metaphor for our viewers. Right now, the Republican Party is coming together like a battleship and it's training their sights on the Democrats and as you can see, the Democrats are in row boats and they can't even figure out how to row in the same direction. So, I hope this continues. I'm enjoying the show and I look forward to the next two weeks.</s>LEMON: Matt?</s>LEWIS: It's amazing that Donald Trump wrapped up his primary weeks or months before Hillary could.</s>LEMON: We thought it would be the opposite.</s>LEWIS: That and in of itself is a huge deal and like I said before, if most Americans right now are unhappy with the direction of the country, Hillary Clinton represents the establishment, the status quo. Donald Trump represents a change, you know, a change agent and a disrupter. That alone makes this race very competitive.</s>CARDONA: But Matt...</s>LEMON: Kristen, last word. I had to let Kristen get in. Last word to you.</s>ANDERSON: Yeah, everybody needs to buckle up because in an election where people dislike both candidates so much, this is going to be a really volatile campaign. Imagine what these general election debates might look like between either Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. This is going to be one for the history books. I think right now, any of the polls you're looking at, they're instructive about how people think about the candidates now, but they're predictive of what November is... [23:35:]</s>LEMON: I don't know if it makes my job harder or easier when I have to sit here and go you next, you next. Stop. She always wants the last word.</s>CARDONA: The kind of pain (ph) that Donald Trump is representing is not something that a general electorate is going to go for.</s>LEMON: Thank you Maria.</s>CARDONA: Thank you Don.</s>LEMON: Maria likes to get the last word, but she stayed up late so we will allow her. Thank you. I appreciate it.</s>LEMON: When we come right back, the latest on the investigation of EgyptAir Flight 804, why some investigators believe it may not be terrorism after all.