Trump Blasts Clinton On Guns; Trump Vs. Clinton On Guns.
LEMON: All right, and we're back, we're going to talk about what we did in the last segment plus Donald Trump's NRA statements about Hillary Clinton. Back with me now, Margaret Hoover, Stephen Miller, Sally Kohn and Maria Cardona. You took offense to what Steven said, you said it's not actually what Donald Trump said.</s>MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: It's not just not what Donald Trump said, but it seems to be also defending the Muslim ban. And we know just categorically that from a foreign policy standpoint that is a dangerous position to have if your goal is to actually want to fight terror and want to keep America safe. We need our Muslim allies. We need Muslim communities to actually be vigilant of these kinds of things happening. And if you're going to alienate all of them, then we're not going to be successful in this fight. It's actually very simple. And Donald Trump uses fear, should not surprise all of us, that what he is using is fear to get people on his side. He has done that from the moment he was running for president, calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. That's -- That is his thing. That is what he uses, and he's going to be in trouble now because a general election electorate is not going to go for it.</s>LEMON: Go ahead, Steven</s>MILLER: First of all, blindness to real threats is not a strategy and political cliches is not a defense to anything. We have admitted 1.5 million Muslim migrants since 9/11. The idea we have some kind of obligation to admit months after months, year after year, an unlimited number of persons with no regard for security, assimilation, screening or the effects on the domestic jobs market is extremism and the polls reflect this. Only 5 percent of voters ...</s>CARDONA: Nobody.</s>MILLER: ... support the scale of refugee importation that Hillary Clinton is calling for at the highest level according to all public polling. And finally, on Donald Trump, let's be clear on this one point. Donald Trump is the only candidate, who, on the question of terrorism and immigration, is standing with the majority of the American people and he is right to say that all of us, all of us should be concerned about the implications for our security and our country if we follow the terrible mistakes that have been made in Europe, here in the United States.</s>KOHN: No. Sorry. We don't have a responsibility to lead with facts and information ...</s>CARDONA: That's right.</s>KOHN: ... and I'm sorry, but counterterrorism experts say that policy will make us less safe.</s>CARDONA: That's right.</s>KOHN: And let's try to be clear, of course we have a responsibility in part because the -- our decimation of Iraq is what created ISIS ...</s>CARDONA: Exactly.</s>KOHN: ... and caused -- what caused the Iraq ...</s>MILLER: You're describing ...</s>LEMON: OK.</s>LEMON: I need to move on now because I think this is very important. I want to talk about the Second Amendment because Donald Trump continues to say that Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment. That is false. That is false by every fact check, by her, by the campaign, by everyone who's listening but Donald Trump. Why does he continue to say that?</s>MILLER: Because it's true.</s>KOHN: That was awesome.</s>LEMON: She has never said that.</s>CARDONIA: Oh, come on.</s>LEMON: She's never even intimated that.</s>MILLER: I think that was -- I think there's a lot of people at this table have a different view about what the Second Amendment means. The D.C versus Heller decision appalled an individual right to keeping their arms. The Second Amendment no longer exists but we consider an individual privilege but a government right. So when Hillary Clinton is saying she wants to overturn D.C. versus Heller, she is by definition saying she wants to abolish the Second Amendment ...</s>CARDONIA: No, she is not.</s>KOHN: I'm sorry, but wait a second, that ignores all constitutional -- all constitution decisions up until the point of D.C. versus Heller by the way was the majority of constitutionalism up until that point, at even Justice Scalia, justice -- before he passed said that the Second Amendment has its limitations. And, again, before Heller, before Heller, we did not hope that the Second Amendment equals the right of individuals to bear unlimited arms with no regulation.</s>MILLER: I'm glad that you made this point because it shows the disagreement.</s>KOHN: But I'm saying, you want to uphold the tradition of the Second Amendment in this country.</s>MILLER: The Second Amendment is not the Second Amendment the rest of us know.</s>HOOVER: What you have in this race right now is something really extraordinary. You have the representative of Republican nominee attacking to the far right to shore up the conservative part of the base of this party instead of running to the right in the primary and attacking towards the general. It's extraordinary that for an issue that actually Americans have a pretty -- there's a consensus about gun rights for the most part. You know, 90 percent of Americans have upwards of certainly over 85 percent want some sort of gun restriction, increase gun restrictions. But they also value the Second Amendment. There's a lot of commonality, there's a lot of common ground on what we can do in terms of Second Amendment. Nobody's arguing to take it away, we all know that. I mean, it takes Steven getting on to explain that when he says abolish the Second Amendment, what he really means is overturning Heller by -- Supreme Court ...</s>MILLER: That was -- his remarks today. But I want to ...</s>HOOVER: ... by means of the Supreme Court. But the point is he's running ...</s>LEMON: Let her finish. Let her finish. Let her finish.</s>MILLER: Yes.</s>HOOVER: He's running in the general election now. So, by putting up the justices a couple of days ago, the kind of people he would appoint to Supreme Court, by picking out a Second Amendment fight with Hillary Clinton, all of these things, what -- they don't go towards getting all the votes that Mitt Romney won plus. You got to win these independent voters and these 35 counties and these seven swing states across the country if they're going to win the general election, we all know that. And so, you have to attach to the center and be a unifier on these issues ...</s>KOHN: Yeah.</s>HOOVER: ... that independents agree on, while also being consistent with the party and the ideas that got you nominated in the first place and that's not what Donald Trump's doing at all.</s>LEMON: I going to talk to the (inaudible) has already been. Is there any way to steal any more time even if we don't get to the point at the top of the hour? Can we continue this conversation?</s>LEMON: This is the best conversation we had this evening. So what do you want me to do? Go to break now or you want me to ...</s>KOHN: Let's do it.</s>LEMON: ... I want to continue this at the top of the hour.</s>HOOVER: Tweet now. Tweet now. Tweet now. Let's go.</s>LEMON: No, keep talking. Keep talking. Go ahead.</s>CARDONA: But I think -- but, can I just say, we just then witnessed, we talked about one of Donald Trump's strategies earlier, which was focusing on fear.</s>LEMON: Yeah.</s>CARDONA: And just now we are looking at another of Donald Trump's strategies which is ignore the truth or lie, because that is also ...</s>LEMON: OK.</s>CARDONA: ... exactly what he's been doing from the moment that he has ...</s>LEMON: Hold that thought. We'll be right back.