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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The taxi driver just swerved towards me and (inaudible) said run, you have to run. They've got a knife. His face was just like something was very wrong. So I just started running as fast as I could.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw quite a lot of city police and they were chasing people across the bridge -- this was normal civilians, normal pedestrians -- over the bridge screaming at them to run, run, run for your lives, terror.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I plead with people not to be scared and not to be angry. This is exactly what those people want us to feel. We have to stand together.</s>JONES: Defiance here in London -- that was in the aftermath of the attack. Some of the people who were right in the thick of it as the attack unfolded saying that they will not be cowed. And that is really the spirit here. It's about 20 past 5:00 in the morning local time here this Monday. And London is really whirring into action again -- bikers going past going to work, trucks going past, cars and very much not being cowed by the events of Saturday night. We are though hearing from some of the witnesses of the terror attack in London. At least seven people were killed, another 48 were wounded, many of them in a critical condition still in hospital. ISIS is claiming responsibility for the attack but there's been no evidence to support that claim. The attack itself started at around 10:00 p.m. local Saturday night. That's when a van rammed into pedestrians on London Bridge. The van then crashed just past the south end of the bridge. Three men left the van on foot and stabbed people in restaurants in the popular Borough Market. And at 10:16 p.m., police say they shot and killed the attackers. Glenn Schoen is a security management consultant and terrorism expert. Glen joins us live from The Hague via Skype. Thank you for joining us, sir. I want to ask you first about the police response. It's been described as unprecedented in the fact that they took out these three attackers with 50 -- I think it was 50 bullets. Would you say that that is unprecedented compared to previous attacks that we've seen and police responses?</s>GLENN SCHOEN, SECURITY MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT: I think it's only unprecedented in terms of the number of officers engaged. When we look at the actual number of rounds fired, which Assistant Commissioner Rowley has noted as around 50, that's actually not that high a number. If you think of the type of situation they're in, the mix of firearms that these people had, which would be handguns combined with longer weapons and submachine guns, the actual number of rounds expended on three different targets who are mobile is actually when we look at other counter-terrorist operations in other theaters not that high a number. I mean what's surprising to me is the discipline of the use of firearms. It sounds like an awful lot of violence, it is an awful lot of violence but in a situation in which three men are assumed to be having bomb vests actually when we compare it with other incidents, we're looking at one that doesn't stand out for, so to speak, frivolous or uncontrolled shooting but rather a lot of discipline on the part of the officers involved.</s>JONES: I want to ask you about the broader security apparatus in and around London as well. We heard from the Prime Minister Theresa May yesterday saying that enough is enough and that something does need to change in terms of the approach. We're also learning that on London Bridge just behind me they are now erecting security barriers but they weren't in place before. Do you think there has been a failing somewhere along the line in Britain's security apparatus?</s>SCHOEN: Not necessarily. I mean we have to understand we're facing an unprecedented surge in attacks across Europe, not just in the U.K. with these last three incidents. You're looking at a threat volume of potential actors here that runs into the thousands. And the variables or the manner in which these attacks can take place know a very wide scope. So it's obvious that thinking needs to be done here. How can we secure a public domain better against certain types of attacks? Part of that is reactive; what we just talked about law enforcement officers. Part of it will be medical. Part of it will be communications. Part of it will be able to do a quick shutdown of an area. But clearly we need to start thinking somewhat in the preventive mode here further and definitely barriers of different kinds might become a part of that mix at some of the most likely targets. And of course, bridges now on multiple occasions have proven to be vulnerable so it's logical that we're going to see a rethink. But it doesn't necessarily mean that we need to do very hard finger-pointing now at what's transpired in the weeks prior.</s>JONES: Yes. It will be interesting won't it, Glen, to see how the public responds as well to an increased police presence on the streets? We saw after the Manchester attacks that there was the army presence from the streets as well. And of course, as you say if we do get these permanent security barriers up that does seem to then inflict on or impress on our way of life which is something that London hasn't particularly been so strong to say that that will not happen. Glen Schoen, my appreciation to you. Thank you for joining us on the program. We are covering the story in depth, of course, in the aftermath of Saturday's terror attack; many more angles of the story as well. I will pass now back to John Vause, my colleague in Los Angeles -- John.</s>VAUSE: Hannah -- thank you. Well, the first police call went out Saturday night at eight minutes past 10:00, local time. By 10:16, just eight minutes later, all three attackers were dead; an incredibly quick response which has been widely praised across Britain. Officials say when armed police arrive on the scene they fired an unprecedented 50 rounds at the terrorists who appeared to be wearing suicide vests. Those explosives later they turned out to be fake. But before those shots were fired, a lone transport police officers armed only with a baton took on the attackers. He's in a serious but stable condition after suffering stab wounds to the head, face and leg. There's a lot to talk to right now. CNN's law enforcement contributor and former FBI agent Steve Moore joins us now. Steve -- essentially this one lone police officer confronted the three attackers. He did not know at that point the explosives strapped to the terrorists were fake. Someone like yourself in law enforcement, you know it's your job but still it took an incredible amount of courage and bravery to do what he did.</s>STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: Incredible amount. He has my admiration. There's a saying in law enforcement, don't bring a gun to a knife fight. Well, don't bring a truncheon to a machete fight. This guy probably as he approached knew that the odds against him surviving were extremely low yet it didn't seem to slow him down. And this is the finest tradition of law enforcement, knowing that you put on the badge, you decided to do this and your calling is to save the innocent. And he did that with great risk to his own life.</s>VAUSE: Yes. Ok. Well, this attack comes just two weeks after the suicide bombing in Manchester. Officials say there's no link between the two. But the British Prime Minister talked about terrorism breeding terrorism and all this seems to be amplified by the Internet and by social media.</s>MOORE: It does. And see John -- it's not just the tactics that they're learning on the Internet, it's not the radicalization they're getting but they're learning things like strategy. Like, if you have one terrorist attack in a year, that's really bad. If you have one every six months, that's really bad. But if you have two within a week you don't just double the terror, you expand it exponentially. So what's happening is when one terrorist attack occurs, it is the signal not as a copycat but to magnify and amplify the terrorist result of the first attack.</s>VAUSE: And specifically about this attack, on the one hand it seems to be very familiar, the tactic of using a truck as a weapon and using knives as well. But there is also this level of sophistication, the explosives, the suicide vests which turned out to be false and also this sort of a new tactic of a secondary attack being carried out.</s>MOORE: Yes, this is -- the British again, I don't know if anybody is better than they are as far as terrorism response, and terrorism strategy. They have identified this type of attack that we first started seeing in France and Belgium, the marauding attack where you don't just have a single person with a bomb. You have a van, you strike people with your vehicle. You go somewhere else and create a second attack. And so what you're getting is one person can essentially create two or three terrorists attacks. I think the lack of sophistication here was that all three were at the same place doing the same thing which kind of negated a lot of that. But this is the new face terrorism. They are going to use every part of the situation they can to kill people.</s>VAUSE: Ok, Steve. Thank you -- I think.</s>MOORE: Sorry.</s>VAUSE: Steve Moore for us -- yes, law enforcement contributor. Thanks -- Steve. We will take a short break. When we come back, we will hear from a faith leader about the deadly terror attack which shut down Central London. Also ahead some of the biggest names in music paid tribute to the victims of the Manchester terror attack. Short break. We'll be back in a moment.