Gruesome Details Continue To Surface In The Murder Of A Seattle Mom; Single Mom Warning Women With Daughters
DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW" PROGRAM (voice-over): Tonight, we have new and horrific details exposed. There is a 15-inch saw tissue remains in a bathtub drain. Plus body parts in a recycling bin. We are just beginning to learn what happened to this Seattle mom. Even the suspect`s own parents were afraid of him. Plus, caught on tape, the gasman attacks two pet dogs with a pipe wrench. The owners outraged. What do you think? Is that appropriate? Let us get started.</s>PINSKY: Even now as we are coming to you going live, gruesome details continue to surface in the murder of a Seattle mom; her head, other body parts found in a recycling bin. Her alleged killer, someone she met online. Watch this.</s>NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST OF "NANCY GRACE" PROGRAM: Dips her toe back into the dating scene, it all ends in tragedy.</s>UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A friend say the mother of three left home Friday to watch the Mariner`s Home Opener with a date she met online. When Ingrid did not show up to pick up her daughter Saturday morning, friends went on social media desperate to get the word out.</s>FRANCESCHINA: The longer it goes on, the more you think there is -- you know, something that is not going to -- she is not coming back.</s>CHIEF KATHLEEN O`TOOLE, SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT: On Saturday, April 9th at approximately 4:19 p.m. A citizen living in the 1600 block of 21st avenue reported finding what he believed to be human remains in his recycling container.</s>GRACE: Her remains wrapped in several plastic bags and quote, "Still fresh."</s>BLOOM: Bits of human flesh and blood were reportedly found in her own bathtub in the drain. The suspect, John Charlton, is being held on $2 million bond.</s>TROY SLATEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: But, there is nothing that physically linked them to the crime that has been released yet.</s>BLOOM: She fought for her life. There is going to be her DNA under his fingernails and there is not going to be a good explanation for that.</s>PINSKY: Joining us, I have Diana Aizman, Criminal Defense Attorney; Areva Martin, Attorney and legal consultant and Jason Mattera, Correspondent from "Crime Watch Daily." Now, according to court documents Ingrid Lyne, this is the victim, the mother of this woman went to her daughter`s home, found her cell phone and then began wildly texting this guy, Charlton, who was the online beau regarding Ingrid`s whereabouts. We have got an audio recreation. Listen to this.</s>JOHN CHARLTON, MAIN SUSPECT IN THE MURDER OF INGRID LYNE: My name is John, I thought she was with her kids today.</s>JORGA BASS, INGRID LYNE`S MOTHER: When did you see her last? She is not here. But her phone is here and driver`s license and purse but she is not. Please respond. I have called 911.</s>CHARLTON: 911? What is going on? We went to the Mariner`s Game last night, but we did not stay the night together because she has her kids today. Not sure what she has told you about me and our relationship.</s>BASS: She is missing. What time did you see her last? A police officer needs to speak with you as you may be the last person who saw her.</s>PINSKY: Charlton never responded to the subsequent texts pleading for him to contact police. Jason, consciousness of guilt?</s>JASON MATTERA, CORRESPONDENT, "CRIME WATCH DAILY": It is certainly suspicious because clearly he is the last person to have seen her alive. And, listen, right now, we do not know if there is any forensic evidence that links him to, I mean, horrifying brutal murder here.</s>PINSKY: Let me interrupt you. Last person to see her --</s>MATTERA: Well, I agree. I agree.</s>PINSKY: -- is asked to call the cops.</s>MATTERA: I agree.</s>PINSKY: He will not do it. He did not respond to mom --</s>MATTERA: I agree. This guy is completely suspicious. So, then, you will look into some of his past behavior. What I find very, very suspicious too is we know that his own parents took out a restraining order on him. And, the night that they took out the restraining order where he was threatening them and trying to pick a fight, he takes from the bookshelf a movie, "Hannibal" and says to his mom, "Watch this and beware." He is threatening his mom with a cannibalistic serial killer. I mean, come on! Listen, it is not in this guy`s favor everything we know about him right now.</s>PINSKY: Jason, I think you and I are the only two normies here, because the attorneys are both rolling their eyes, "Well, that does not mean anything." Diana, come on now. Look at the pictures of this guy. Show me -- Look with the stars in his eyes here. Now, everybody watch what you post online. You never know what might show up on a television slow later. But, people are wondering how could this guy walk through life seemingly normal and have a horrible background and be potentially able to do something like this?</s>DIANA AIZMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: OK. First of all, the stars in the eyes, does not a murderer make. And, the horrible background is way more connected to his drug and alcohol abuse. He is obviously an addict. He is obviously suffering from some sort of a problem.</s>PINSKY: It is not obvious to me. Wait, wait. It is not obvious to me. I am an addictionologist. I did not hear anybody say that he was in prison for substance abuse. I did not hear him say he is struggling. I did not hear him say -- I am sure I did not hear it.</s>AIZMAN: Well, substance abuse is not a crime, right? But, oftentimes battery, burglary, these types of offenses are associated --</s>PINSKY: Sure.</s>AIZMAN: -- with people who have problems with drugs and alcohol.</s>PINSKY: You are speculating that is in his background. Much of a motivation for him.</s>AIZMAN: Absolutely. And, his parents said that they reached out and they got a restraining order against him primarily because he gets violent or he gets -- I would say antagonistic when he is under the influence.</s>PINSKY: And, Areva, I like the way the defense attorney chooses her words so carefully. The guy is not violent. He is just antagonistic.</s>AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY, LEGAL ANALYST: Yes.</s>PINSKY: He is just antagonistic, you know, like anybody that should --</s>MARTIN: I just have to tell you that --</s>PINSKY: -- by the way, camera, again. Anybody, antagonistic, like anybody that chops people up.</s>MARTIN: Yes.</s>AIZMAN: Allegedly.</s>PINSKY: Allegedly. Allegedly. Right, it is allegedly.</s>MARTIN: I have three kids, so I cannot even imagine what the ex-husband and the family is going through.</s>PINSKY: Yes.</s>MARTIN: Having to explain to those kids that their mom has not only, you know, was missing but now we know she is dead. I had flash backs to Jodi Arias. You know, we spent a lot of time on this show talking about the gruesome horrific crime committed in that case. And, I had a flashback to that, because of how this murder happen. And, I am all for giving this guy a chance and if he is not guilty, God bless him. But, right now he is the main suspect. He should be the main suspect. This is every woman`s worst nightmare. You meet a guy online, seems normal. You go on a date and your head is chopped off? That is scary stuff.</s>PINSKY: Yes.</s>MATTERA: They are giving him a chance just to see if he is not the person, he is not the person --</s>MARTIN: A little chance.</s>MATTERA: You know, his excuse by the way -- we have seen a previous of this defense, he blacked out. He does not really -- he went on this alcoholic rage, and this bender. He does not remember what happened. Usually when you blackout, if you wake up the next day and you are like, "Oh, shoot, who did I sleep with," right? It is like what bad decision I thought did I make?" This guy, "Who did I dismember?"</s>PINSKY: Yes.</s>MATTERA: I mean, come on.</s>PINSKY: Well, let me get into that, which is how does somebody walk around in the world seemingly normal. And, Areva is bringing us a great case example, which is Jodi Arias on her face, if you were to meet her out in the world, you would not be able to detect this someone has violent rage and is a murderous psychopath. And, yet she had that potential. This guy could be the same sort of person. And, although, Jason, you say the blackout is not a defense. It is not a defense.</s>AIZMAN: No.</s>PINSKY: But, if he knows that he becomes aggressive or what was the word you used?</s>AIZMAN: Antagonistic.</s>PINSKY: Antagonistic when he is blacked out or consuming alcohol, other people`s lives and his own well-being is contingent upon him staying sober. And, if he was using in a blackout became antagonistic and chopped somebody off, that is on him not on the blackout. In a court document, detective said, a 15-inch pruning saw was found near the bathtub -- look at that, in Ingrid Lyne`s home. They also discovered a nearly empty box of garbage bags in the home. And, the box -- the bags contained in those bags, not box, are identical to those containing her body parts in the recycling bin. But, Diana, you say that still does not connect him to the murder.</s>AIZMAN: Yes.</s>PINSKY: But, it just says what happened in the murder.</s>AIZMAN: Where is his hair? Where is his blood? Where is he in any of this evidence? He is not there. There is not enough to connect him to this crime at this point.</s>MATTERA: That we know of. That we know of.</s>MARTIN: I think it is way too early to talk about it is not him right now. We know he was the last person that was with her.</s>AIZMAN: Right.</s>MARTIN: We know there is going to be a complete forensic examination of this home. But, when you use the word antagonistic, I think the both sociopath is the word we should be using. Antagonistic means, I yelled at you, maybe I screamed at you. I do not chop your head off. That is not antagonism. This is sociopathic behavior.</s>PINSKY: Yes. I would not even say it is psychopathic behavior.</s>MARTIN: Yes.</s>PINSKY: And, you got to remember, everybody, people do not understand. Because the way the movies are, you imagine somebody who could chop somebody up is constantly evil and constantly aggressive and constantly violent. Quite the contrary. Sociopaths can be very charming, very entertaining. Psychopaths are sometimes a little cold and a little more distant. I think this guy, if he allegedly did this. If he did this, sort of fits more of that spectrum. And, you know, he is manipulative online saying, "I am just here for a friendship and a good date, not to have sex or anything."</s>MARTIN: He even said that to the mom. "What is going on? We just went to a nice game. Is not she home?" That even too was eerie to me the way he responded to the mother.</s>MATTERA: He did tell the police he may or may have not had sex with her. He was not sure. He was not sure if they had sex.</s>PINSKY: He was in a blackout. Jason, relax. Jason, you say, he woke up, "Did I have sex there or not?" No. This is all</s>B.S. MATTERA: Sure.</s>PINSKY: Next up, the suspect`s own parents feared their son, as we have said. And, they had called the cops in the past on him. And, later two backyard dogs minding their own business, the gasman shows up and it got bad. It got ugly. The homeowner is joining me. Back after this.