Cathay Pacific Admits They Have Known Cyberattack for Months; Comic Book Legend, Stan Lee, Dead at 95
LU STOUT: It is Tuesday night here in Hong Kong. Welcome back. You're watching "News Stream." Now, the world largest aviation data breach is even worse than customers originally thought. Cathay Pacific now says it knew of a massive cyberattack on its systems for months and was busy looking out for other possible attacks before making any public statements. Hong Kong's flagship airline says it took immediate action when it first discovered the attack in March. So, why did it take so long to speak up about it? Well, the airline says it was on alert for more intrusions and wanted to give, quote, "a single accurate and meaningful notification to each passenger affected." Now, more than 9 million people have been affected by the massive data breach. Now, from Facebook's enormous data leak to global employee walkouts at Google for handling of sexual misconduct cases, it has been a challenging year for big tech. In a wide ranging interview, Samuel Burke sat down with the co- founder of Reddit to talk about some of these hot (ph) issues that the tech industry is grappling with.</s>ALEXIS OHANIAN, REDDIT CO-FOUNDER: We absolutely need to curve the radicalized behavior. I don't think -- I think any reasonable person agrees that that is not healthy.</s>SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Hate speech, harassment, how can that be allowed?</s>OHANIAN: Harassment has been banned on the site basically since I came back about three, four years ago. The gray area is in this like sort of antisocial, unpopular rhetoric and the challenge is -- I mean it's literally coming from the president of the United States, literally a tweet from the president is in many ways pretty reprehensible and that's a front page story on Reddit.</s>BURKE: Facebook has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to police around elections, for fake news.</s>OHANIAN: Oh, yeah.</s>BURKE: Do you think that they've done enough?</s>OHANIAN: I don't think the job had will ever be done. You can have teams of thousands of people filling thousands of war rooms, but they still can't keep up with hundreds of millions of connected people. But I think this is where if AI and machine learning can do something really effectively, it's to build better tools for the real time enforcement of what they're trying to do. And whether that's from within Facebook or someone else who is selling it to Facebook, I think that's the next frontier.</s>BURKE: Did it surprise you when you found out that Google paid millions of dollars in exit packages to people accused of sexual harassment?</s>OHANIAN: Did it surprise me? No. In the wake of Me Too, one of the most striking things was the structural malice that has been in place. I do not expect this to be over. The system still feels like there's too much left clogging it up. What will truly change things is when you see more women who are getting the chance to get into positions of power that we start to see a real sort of gender equality in the industry, but we are still a very long way away from that.</s>BURKE: What do you look for in companies you're investing in?</s>OHANIAN: We want those founders to be relentless. We want to know that they are not going to quit, but they've probably obsessed over this problem more than any other person on the planet. And we got our first check -- I was fresh out of college. I have no track record. And (inaudible) said, "I believe in you. Here is $12,000." That was our initial funding. And --</s>BURKE: And not that much in tech these days.</s>OHANIAN: Not that much in tech these days.</s>BURKE: And I'm sure it felt like a lot at the time.</s>OHANIAN: It felt like a mountain of money and it was enough to get us started and get us to where Reddit is today. And so, do we believe these founders are capable of pulling of and the best thing they can show us is not where they went to university but what they have made, what they have built, how they think.</s>BURKE: What have you learned from your wife, Serena Williams?</s>OHANIAN: Lots. Everything. I always felt like I had a pretty great work ethic and then seeing her and everything that she does and having to do it with the scrutiny and the scale with which she does it -- you know, no one -- I don't have millions of people watching this a board meeting and I'm grateful for that. It's taught me a lot about what it takes to be great.</s>LU STOUT: Now, if you are a parent whose child has ever tried to fashion Wolverine claws out of cutlery or you've ever binged on a series of Jessica Jones on Netflix or if your idea of a perfect Saturday morning is just going to the comic store to find out what happened to Peter Parker, Bruce Banner or the Dark Phoenix, then you can thank one man for helping bring all these moments into your life. Stan Lee, the former head of Marvel Comics, and the man hailed as a real life superhero for influencing the way the world itself imagines, there have been global tributes following Lee's death at age 95. But we wanted to focus on one in particular, from Marvel's arch nemesis, D.C. Comics, who put aside their historic epic rivalry to tweet this, quote, "he changed the way we look at heroes and modern comics will always bear his indelible mark. His infectious enthusiasm reminded us why we all fell in love with these stories in the first place. Excelsior, Stan Lee. Now, Stephanie Elam has more on the life of the Marvel Legend.</s>STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Spider-man, Iron Man and X- Men, they're among the most iconic comic book heroes in history and they simply would not exist without Stan Lee. The visionary behind Marvel Comics lived a life almost as incredible as the characters he created.</s>STAN LEE, CREATOR OF MARVEL COMICS: I'm pretty proud of the fact that some of the stories that I wrote so many years ago are still being read and hopefully enjoyed by the public and people are making motion pictures based on them and television series.</s>ELAM: Spider-Man debuted in 1962 and became Lee's most successful comic book creation.</s>LEE: Spider-Man is my favorite because he's the most popular and he's known and loved worldwide.</s>ELAM: Lee's spidey senses were tingling. Years later, in 2002, the first Spider-Man film was released and was a blockbuster hit.</s>LEE: As a child, I didn't really know anybody who shot webs or crawled on buildings or wore suits of armor and flew or anything like that. I just imagined them and there they are.</s>ELAM: He also imagined Thor, the Incredible Hulk and the Fantastic Four. They were flawed people with extraordinary powers.</s>LEE: I never had any idea that these characters would last this long. In fact, I and the people I worked with who co-created them with me, the many talented artists, we just hoped that the books would sell and we continue to get our salary and be able to pay our rent. The movies have done so much for the characters. The movies have given the comic book characters even more prestige.</s>ELAM: The native New Yorker was born Stanley Morgan Lieber. He had humble beginnings, but his love for comics took him much farther than he ever dreamed. He also earned a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.</s>LEE: In a million years, I never thought that I would get something like this.</s>ELAM: As his creations became larger than life on the big screen, he also kept a feverish pace making appearances at events like Comic-Con in San Diego. Though his life seemed charmed, it wasn't without adversity. Lee was married to his wife, Joan, for over 60 years and they had two daughters. However, his youngest only lived for a few days. In his 80s, Lee was involved in various lawsuits against Marvel and Disney over the span of seven years. In September 2012, he had surgery for a pacemaker and joked he was trying to become more like his Iron Man character, Tony Stark.</s>LEE: To me, the most important thing in the world is to keep busy. And I'm happy to say I'm lucky enough to still be busy.</s>ELAM: The Stan Lee Foundation was also a passion project for Lee who seemed to believe with great power comes great responsibility.</s>LEE: What we concentrate on is education, educating children.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stan Lee.</s>LEE: I he never would have dreamed years ago that anything like this would happen.</s>ELAM: The king of comics who was adored worldwide was most proud of his family and his comic heroes. Perhaps Lee will be remembered as a legendary innovator with an uncanny ability to capture the imagination.</s>LEE: Excelsior.</s>LU STOUT: Let's bring in write, Brad Meltzer, who knew Stan Lee. He is the author of the "New York Times" best seller, "The Escape Artist," and has new book out. It's called, "I am Sonya Sotomayor." And he joins us now via Skype. Brad, thank you for joining us in this beautiful social media post that you put up there. You write that Stan Lee, quote, Gave us creeds to live by, principles to emulate." Can you tell us more about that?</s>BRAD MELTZER, NOVELIST AND COMIC BOOK WRITER: Yeah. I think as we talk about Stan Lee, we want to talk about his co-creations, the Hulk and Spider-Man, and the X-Men and Iron Man, and those are all vital. Of course, they are. But for me, it's never been about the super powers.</s>LU STOUT: Yeah.</s>MELTZER: It's been about the lessons they give us. The most important part of the story is not Superman. The most important part of the story us Clack Kent because we're all Clark Kent. We all know what it's like to be boring and ordinary and wish we can do something amazing. And Stan Lee proved that you could use his lessons in real life. That's why his stories were so powerful. That's why you see him having such an impact on so many of us in the creative industry is because he was the one that gave us those lessons that we could apply to our real lives. It wasn't just about having spider powers or being able to turn green.</s>LU STOUT: So when look at his creations like Spider-Man, like the Incredible Hulk, what did Stan Lee stand for and what kind of lessons -- human lessons does he leave behind?</s>MELTZER: Yeah. I think for me what really got to me is that his lessons more than corporations, more than politicians, more than advertised that we see today, his lessons were based upon one thing and one thing only, good, just the idea of doing good for someone else, that that in itself was enough. And that is what I fear today. When I look around at our world, no matter where you live in this entire beautiful world is I fear that we've lost our sense of good. We know how to fight, make no mistake. But when you're fighting just for yourself, when you're fighting just for power, when you're fighting just for money, you've already lost. And Stan Lee taught me that when I was 10-years-old. I still and we all knew that lesson today.</s>LU STOUT: Yes. His comics, his lessons, they were about the good and the great. It was about heroism. And Brad, you knew Stan Lee through his comics but also through your work. What was he like as a person?</s>MELTZER: You know, our conversations were always by our phone and e-mail and everything else and he was kind enough to invite me to work with him on some things. And when I was researching a book on Superman, everyone said you need to reach out to Stan Lee. And I thought, well, why would -- you know, Stan Lee is Marvel. That's not D.C. But he was there at the beginning and he knew Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster and he told me all about those early days. And what I marvel at -- excusing that pun -- is that Stan Lee was a child when they started this. These were children's dreams. Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster who gave us Superman, Stan Lee, and Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko would give us Spider-Man and the Avengers and so much more. They were children, young Jewish immigrants who just were like, "You know what? I want to do some good and I want to make something creative." But the fact that their lessons still stand 75 years later and will stand 175 years later, that's not just the mark of -- oh, that's an interesting character or oh that's super power -- but the greatest stories don't tell us about the story. They tell us about ourselves.</s>LU STOUT: Yeah.</s>MELTZER: And that's what Stan Lee taught us. He taught us about out own levels of good. And to me, I will -- I will always carry those lessons with me, those lessons that you got to do good for other people, that you got to use your creativity to help other people. And for me, especially, that means one thing, in honor of him, that Stan Lee lives forever.</s>LU STOUT: Absolutely, using your creativity as a force for good. Brad Meltzer, thank you so much for joining us. Take care.</s>MELTZER: Thank you.</s>LU STOUT: You're watching "News Stream." And still ahead, the U.S. president has claimed that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. But new satellite images could prove otherwise. We'll explain after the break.