Sandusky Case Goes to Jury
DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST: Here we go. Jerry Sandusky`s lawyer says 10 alleged victims do not add up to one guilty defendant. What do you think? The jury is in deliberations now. I`m going to go inside how their minds are thinking presently. And was Sandusky`s own son ready to testify against him? Why didn`t he? Plus, reality star Diem Brown faces an incredible challenge. She beat ovarian cancer when she was just 22. Now, it has recurred and she is desperately fighting to preserve her eggs so she can one day have a baby. Let`s get started.</s>PINSKY: Welcome to the program. Tonight, the fate of 60-year-old Jerry Sandusky is now in the hands of a jury. Will the former Penn State football coach spend the rest of his life in prison? The state insists Sandusky is a child predator but the defense says he is innocent and that the alleged victims were actually coached by the police and some were motivated by money. Joining us is attorney Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for -- is it avo.com?</s>LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Avo.com.</s>PINSKY: Avo.com, and author of "Swagger". Also, Mike Galanos, HLN anchor. He`s in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania. Mike, tell us what went down in the courtroom today.</s>MIKE GALANOS, HLN ANCHOR: It was really just high emotions. You kind of touched on it. Joe Amendola started for the defense. He was very folksy, Drew. He stood in front of the jury, his theme, a refrain he had, a mantra almost, said it about a dozen times this does not add up. It does not make sense. Here`s an example, you mentioned a money grab. That`s what he is trying to say, these accusers are in it for money, singling out victim number one. He had a neighbor, this was during the actual case come in and say, well, he heard victim one`s mom say we are going to get a house out of this and victim one said he was going to get a nice car out of this. And then today, Amendola looked at the jury and said, does that sound to you like a child abuse victim? It doesn`t add up, it doesn`t make sense. That`s where he went on the other side, the prosecutor, you know, his best punch in all of this sat accusers` testimony in that courthouse behind me, Drew, excruciating, heart-wrenching testimony. And, at the end, he stood behind Jerry Sandusky. He is address the jury, pulls back, stands behind Sandusky and says he knows he did. You know he did it. These kids can`t get their souls back. Find him guilty on all counts and that`s the way it wrapped up. You talk about what is going on in the mind of the jury, a lot of powerful stuff.</s>PINSKY: That`s heavy, Mike. My understanding is also Sandusky`s adopted daughter there was and sobbing in the courtroom. Was that when the prosecution hit him so hard or was that just throughout the afternoon?</s>GALANOS: Throughout the afternoon. There was also some people, some of our colleague who have a different advantage damage point of Dottie Sandusky, that she was red in the eye, red in the face. She was emotional as well. So, it`s all a part of what is going on in the hearts and minds to of the major players. You know, Drew, I chance to talk to one of the victims` moms, she wants to remain anonymous. I just asked her, how are you doing through all this? And she said she is not watching any of it. She`s not listening to any of it. She was inside that courtroom. She is thinking there is going to be a conviction. She is confident. One last note, what was it like to see your son testify? And she said it was excruciating, not just the testimony but to see the picture of her son as a little boy when these crimes were allegedly taking place. She said he looked like a baby to me. He looked like he was 5. There he was as a young man pouring out his heart in front of the court.</s>PINSKY: Very intense. Very intense. Mike, thanks for that report. Lisa, it seemed to me this case went quickly, compared to what we`re seeing here in California. What occurred to me was explain it had, it wasn`t much of a defense.</s>BLOOM: Exactly.</s>PINSKY: Is it that, inadequate defense or have an appeal in mind, or they were rushing to get through this case?</s>BLOOM: Well, an attorney would be very foolish to rush through a defense hoping for an appeal, tough put all of your evidence in the record, that is what you use as the basis for an appeal. I can only conclude they didn`t put up much of a defense because they didn`t have much of a defense. I mean, this is a very serious case, 10 potential victims in this case. He is looking at many years, probably the rest of his life behind bars. So, if they had something to put on, they should have put it on, he had very skilled attorneys. So, I can only conclude he didn`t have a lot to defend himself with.</s>PINSKY: Wow, that`s rough. Let`s go and see what the callers with a tonight ask us. Jon in California. Jon?</s>JON, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hey, Dr. Drew.</s>PINSKY: Jon.</s>JON: Sandusky`s legal defense calling the victims liars and blaming them, that is just really disgusting.</s>BLOOM: Common though.</s>PINSKY: Is that right?</s>JON: Yes, very common. With Sandusky, did his narcissism keep him from making a plea deal or how does that work?</s>PINSKY: What do you think?</s>BLOOM: Well, 95 percent of case does end in plea deals and it is always surprising when they don`t. This is a high-profile case, too, but this is a 68-year-old man. If he took any deal, we have to spend some time behind bars. Look, either he is innocent, which we all have to keep our minds open to that possibility, in which case he did the right thing by going to trial. Or he`s guilty and he`s got so much ego that he said, I`m not going to plea. I`m going to beat this thing. I`m going to attack eight different men who came in and said, I molested them as children. But that`s a lot to take on, eight different people.</s>PINSKY: Let me ask then, if my kid were just in a shower with a man getting soaped up, wouldn`t that be a legal violation of some type? Wouldn`t I have a case just --</s>BLOOM: Probably. Well, you know, it wouldn`t be child molestation, it has to be touching.</s>BLOOM: Soaping, and now we`ve got some touching, with intent, with some sexual intent going on.</s>PINSKY: Right.</s>BLOOM: But what you are saying most people find just showering creepy enough.</s>PINSKY: Yes. Yes.</s>BLOOM: And he admits to that.</s>PINSKY: Yes. And they go, what`s the big deal?</s>BLOOM: Eight accusers here, Drew. And, look, maybe you can take one out and say add monetary motive. Another had inconsistent cities in his testimony. But eight, really? Because usually people lie in the other direction, real victims say, no, I wasn`t molested, who wants to go into a case like this? Who wants to be a part of something like that?</s>PINSKY: They feel so ashamed. That`s right. Kim in California. What do you got, Kim?</s>KIM, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: You know, that just makes they sick. And I just -- you know, I mean, I just can`t imagine how many more victim there maybe. I mean, it`s like, after -- you know, the closing arguments and they`re in the deliberation, I mean, I just was praying they were going to come back, please let them come back with a guilty verdict. You know, my heart just hurts for all these victims.</s>PINSKY: That`s great question, Kim, which is this going to be a quick turnaround? Are they likely to --</s>BLOOM: I think it will be.</s>PINKSY: Like tomorrow?</s>BLOOM: Well, yes, I would say so. I think this is going to be about the credibility of the victims and that`s the main issue here. And keep in mind that this is not a televised trial. We`ve all talked about it, but we haven`t seen the victims testify, only the jury has. So, they have to weigh that over, and that`s a big issue. But other than that, it`s not that complicated of a case. It`s really not. He didn`t take the stand.</s>PINSKY: I feel like Kim does, I feel hurt.</s>BLOOM: Yes. Yes. I also want to say for victims of sexual abuse, one in four women out there are victims of sexual abuse, this is a very painful experience. Many people relieve it by watching cases like this and my heart really goes out to that group.</s>PINSKY: Nice point, Lisa. All right, next up, several jurors in this trial have ties to Penn State. We wonder -- you got to wonder could that impact the jury or the verdict? Consultants take us inside the mind of this jury when we come back.</s>PATTY COBLE, FORMER VOLUNTEER, THE SECOND MILE: You know, it`s Jerry Sandusky and these kids are so excited. So you know, you see kids with him, but you see Jerry Sandusky Jerry with his arm around a young boy.