WikiLeaks Releases More of Clinton's Emails
MARY KATHARINE HAM, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: There was this chance that he could change the map a bit with his appeal in the Rust Belt. We have seen a bit of that with Pennsylvania briefly getting close, with Ohio, the numbers being decent. I have joked that he would be the disrupter who would disrupt too much, and he would lose everything but Ohio and Florida.</s>HAM: So, that may be where they -- where we end up here, because he has significant downsides, and, although she does, he's not deft enough to beat her at this point.</s>JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: David, WikiLeaks released another trove of hacked e-mails from Hillary Clinton's campaign staffers. In one of the e-mails, a Bill Clinton top aid, Doug Band, calls Chelsea Clinton a spoiled brat. Another e-mail chain shows advisers debating when Clinton should come out against the Keystone pipeline, so to avoid making it an issue with the enviros. Did anything in this latest trove strike you or any of your colleagues as newsworthy?</s>DAVID FAHRENTHOLD, "THE WASHINGTON POST": My colleagues are going through it, still. I think they haven't sort of seen them all. But there is nothing I think in there they have found so far beyond what you have mentioned. There is nothing in there that sort of shows Hillary Clinton in a whole new light or puts the race in some new position. I think these are the sort of things that people thought they already knew about Hillary Clinton. These things are being confirmed.</s>TAPPER: That might be one of the problems with these WikiLeaks, which is, like, for instance, with the trove that was released last time showing that Hillary Clinton was cozy with Wall Street bankers, Mary Katharine, and that maybe she had like a private position and a public position, even if you excuse it away with the Lincoln movie. These are things people already thought about Hillary Clinton and it's kind of baked in a little bit.</s>HAM: Yes. But I think Trump's weaknesses are baked in, too. I think this is a problem for some of her coalition trying to these Bernie folks back on, trying to get them not just voting for her, but volunteering and doing the footwork on the ground.</s>TAPPER: And the millennials, too, yes.</s>HAM: Yes. But the problem is Trump doesn't have a ground game. And such that he has is from the RNC, which is now very doubtful about whether it wants to work with him at all to some degree. I think, again, the American people are always weighing, who is the worst of these candidates? And it's a tough call.</s>TAPPER: David, I just have to ask, when you got this tape on Friday, what was your reaction when you saw it? Did you just think, holy cow, or perhaps more fitting words that would fit in with the theme of the tape? Or did you have any idea it was going to be this explosive?</s>FAHRENTHOLD: I knew it was going to be big. I didn't think it was going to be this big. But certainly the language in there is so different than we have heard Trump use. And the key thing to me was the fact that it was private meant so much. We have seen Trump in public say so many outrageous things, things that would have killed off Mitt Romney or some other Republican candidate in years past. What was different about this was that he wasn't playing a role, there was no sort of showmanship exemption that he got there. He was talking to just a few men in private seemingly truly describing what he did and had done. I think that is what made it so powerful, but, no, I didn't know it was going to be as big as it turned out to be.</s>HAM: Part of what made it powerful for me, because I'm not surprised he talks like this, is that it actually wasn't that private. He was miked up in what, for him, is a professional setting, with several people, including lighting guys presumably and camera guys and audio guys, who he doesn't know very well. It wasn't like he was chatting with a buddy or in a locker room. I think that to me is where it crossed into, what the heck is going on here?</s>TAPPER: Yes, it was odd, and we have debated this and discussed this at length, but I don't know of any locker room where anybody talks like that. I have never heard of any man talk that way. David, you're a man. Have you ever heard anyone talk that way?</s>FAHRENTHOLD: No. That's what -- people call it locker room talk, and I think the implication is, he was just using naughty words or he was talking about women and sort of appraising their attractiveness. This is not what that is. This is somebody saying, here's what I do to women. I kiss them. I grope them. I take advantage of them and I can because I'm famous. That's not the kind of thing I think you hear in any locker room.</s>HAM: Locker rooms are like, given a bad name, man.</s>TAPPER: Exactly. There might be some locker rooms in some prison gyms perhaps. Mary Katharine, one thing I want to ask you about. This morning, Mike Pence hit the morning shows, and he was railing against Bill Clinton's accusers, trying to tie them into Hillary Clinton. Take a listen.</s>GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I remember the extraordinary avalanche of scandals that came out of President Bill Clinton's despicable behavior, even with a 23-year-old intern named Monica Lewinsky.</s>TAPPER: Does this win over anybody? I guess that's my question. Are there people in Northern Virginia, where you live, in the I-4 Corridor in Florida, the Philly suburbs who think, oh, yes, good point?</s>HAM: So, here's the thing. There's a part of my right-winger soul that goes, yes, he should pay a price for this, it should be thrown in their faces. His behavior was despicable. And it wasn't treated with correct seriousness by many on the left because he was given a pass. He was a Democrat. Same thing with many Kennedy foibles and other things. Does it reach out to independent voters and college-educated women? For the most part, I don't think so, because the American people, like it or not, from people like me, have decided they like Bill Clinton and that they have forgiven him for this, for the most part. And so I don't think that you are doing anything but bringing up old stuff, from their perspective. Even though I might think, OK, this is a righteous attack, I'm not sure it's doing you any good.</s>TAPPER: David, Mary Katharine, thank you, as always. Appreciate it. Evangelical Christians promote marriage, fidelity, family values, so why are some still standing by Trump after those remarks in 2005? That story next.