Deadly Week of Terror Around the World.
BERMAN: Baghdad rocked by the deadliest terror attack in Iraq in more than a decade. More than 200 people dead, according to Iraqi official, just one in a violent string of bombings and attacks by ISIS around the world. Want to bring in former U.S. ambassador to Turkey and Iraq, and visiting fellow at the Washington Institute, Ambassador James Jeffrey. Ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. When you look at the map, sir, of the attacks that have taken place in just the last month, from Orlando, to Bangladesh, to Baghdad, Saudi Arabia just yesterday, staggering in their scope and their breadth. Just moments ago we had deputy secretary of state Tony Blinken on. And he said in some ways this is a result of the success that he believes the U.S. is having, battling ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Listen.</s>TONY BLINKEN, DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE: I think what we're seeing is a product, to some great extent, of the success we're having against ISIS, because we're putting intense pressure on ISIS at its core in Iraq and Syria. And what we're seeing is it lashing out in other places. They're reverting back to a different model of terrorism, which are these indiscriminate terror attacks, suicide bombers, IEDs in cars, et cetera. And it does terrific damage. And it terrorizes people. But the more you take this territory away from them, the more you take their story away from them, the less attractive they become to people around the world.</s>BERMAN: Ambassador, do you agree with that assessment? Is this what success looks like?</s>JAMES JEFFREY, VISITING FELLOW, WASHINGTON INSTITUTE: Not entirely. ISIS still has the core of its territory and its forces. And it still is able to launch these awful attacks, which is not something new. It's been able to do this for years, and we've known it. We haven't moved fast enough against this terrible force.</s>BERMAN: You look what happened in Iraq over the weekend, the attack in the Karrada district in Baghdad. And I know, I'm sure, you've been to Karrada. It's a busy, bustling street, an area where so much activity takes place. And you see the devastation, and we're getting just these pictures, these aerial pictures right now of how much was damaged in that attack, more than 200 people killed, according to the Iraqi officials. How does that make you feel when you see that type of attack all these years after the invasion there?</s>JEFFREY: Well, obviously, terrible. I feel horrible about the deaths of the people. The same thing with Istanbul. I know that airport well. But I worry, as well, aside from the horrific number of casualties, the impact this has on the Turkish and the Iraqi governments. ISIS is doing this deliberately to, if not knock them out of the fight, divert them from the offensive operations that the U.S. government is putting so much stock in. And this is not a bad ISIS strategy. It is having some success. And we need to up our game.</s>BERMAN: We need to up our game. So you're saying the United States not doing enough right now in the battle against ISIS in Iraq specifically?</s>JEFFREY: We have 1 percent of our active duty Army and Marine forces in this fight. A slightly higher percent of our aircraft, of course, but still, they're under certain limitations on their rules of engagement. We usually don't put troops close to the front line. We've been very, very cautious on launching Special Forces attacks so that we've done a few, and they're very effective. But we -- the president should not turn this problem over to the next administration.</s>BERMAN: Is that what you think he's doing right now?</s>JEFFREY: I don't think he wants to do that. I think he's going to do that.</s>BERMAN: You think he's going to do that. In other words, you just do not think the United -- the administration right now is stepping up in this battle the way it needs to right now?</s>JEFFREY: That's right.</s>BERMAN: What more should they do right now?</s>JEFFREY: Well, I would recommend far more -- looser rules of engagement, more advisory teams on the front lines, probably a few elite U.S. combat units to lead the attack in places like Meinbich (ph) in Syria, where we've tried to cut off ISIS's flow of recruits and supplies, but ISIS is fighting back hard.</s>BERMAN: So you want more troops, among other things. What do you think is holding the Obama administration back from doing some of the things you would like to see?</s>JEFFREY: Two things. I think the president is very reluctant to use troops and suffer casualties, and that's understandable, particularly in the Middle East. The second thing is people in Washington, understandably, are very worried about, well, what will happen the day after? They're right to worry. I've seen the mess after we went into Iraq in 2003. The point is, if -- you have a terrible mess right now. If you don't act, you're going to have that mess and sooner or later when ISIS goes, you're going to have that mess, too. We need to move as quickly as possible.</s>BERMAN: By doing or not doing what you think the administration should do right now, do you think that's allowing ISIS to grow stronger, in some ways allowing these attacks that we've seen over the last month to take place all around the world?</s>JEFFREY: Well, the administration does everything it can, as do all of our allies, to stop these attacks. The point is, as long as ISIS, which is known for these attacks for many years, is out there, is operating, has this appeal to recruits around the Middle East, it's going to continue doing this. And perhaps the Abadi government in Iraq doesn't fall tomorrow because of that attack in Karrada. Perhaps the Erdogan government doesn't reduce its support for the fight against ISIS. But these things are all possibilities. That's why we're incurring huge risks by not doing as much as we can, as rapidly as we can against ISIS. Berman: Ambassador James Jeffrey, thanks so much for being with us. I appreciate it, sir.</s>JEFFREY: Thank you, John.</s>BERMAN: Alisyn.</s>CAMEROTA: All right. Well, NASA is celebrating a huge milestone almost five years in the making. Its spacecraft Juno is now orbiting Jupiter. So what mysteries will this unlock?