Deliberating Jodi Arias`s Fate: Should She Live or Die?
DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST OF "DR. DREW ON CALL" PROGRAM: Tonight, will Jodi Arias live or die? The jury is wrestling with the decision. Plus, Bobbi Kristina Brown turns 22 today. Is her family any closer to a decision about her future? Let us get started with the most tweeted story of the night, Jodi Arias. She murdered Travis Alexander, stabbed 29 times, slid his throat, shut him in the head. The question now before the jury, should she live or die? Jurors in the second death penalty trial have been deliberating her faith for about 26-1/2 hours. Here is a look at some of the trial highlights.</s>JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDERING TRAVIS ALEXANDER: No jury is going to convict me.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?</s>ARIAS: Because I am innocent.</s>ATTORNEY KIRK NURMI, JODI ARIAS` DEFENSE ATTORNEY: did you kill Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008?</s>ARIAS: Yes, I did.</s>ATTY. JUAN MARTINEZ, CRIMINAL PROSECUTOR ON JODI ARIAS TRIAL: Ma`am were you crying when you were shooting him?</s>ARIAS: I do not remember.</s>ATTY. MARTINEZ: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?</s>ARIAS: I do not remember.</s>ATTY. MARTINEZ: How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?</s>ARIAS: I do not know.</s>ARIAS: There have been a few times I have been bold enough to pull you onto the bed and just start. Oh my gosh. Remember that time I came to visit you when I was still living in California, and I fell asleep on your chair next to your bed? And you like, woke me up by pulling my pants off and totally</s>TRAVIS ALEXANDER, JODI ARIAS` BOYFRIEND: Yes. You got to admit though, there is not many guys who would do that.</s>PINSKY: Joining me Anneelise Goetz, attorney; Sam Schacher, Pop Trigger on Hulu.com, Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywood.com. And on the phone, I have CNN Correspondent, Jean Casarez. Jean, what does Jodi`s life look like if she becomes a death row inmate as oppose to someone who spends her life in prison?</s>JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Dr. Drew, I think one word to summarize it is a</s>PINSKY: And, with life in prison, she has more of contact with other inmates at least. Correct?</s>CASAREZ: Yes. And, she can work her way up to that with life in prison, because you have an orientation. They do a lot of assessment. And, originally, you are alone but then there is a step process you can go through. You can even work your way to general population as a life inmate. So, there is a lot more that you can look forward to, not much when you are on death row.</s>PINSKY: Thank you, Jean. I want to show the audience a look at the cell, Jean was referring to. Jodi will live there really regardless of the sentence at least to begin with. It is inside the Maximum Security Unit at Arizona`s Perryville Prison. Staff has reportedly -- interestingly, been warned -- there it is -- to keep a, quote, "Professional distance from her because they are concerned about the potential of her being manipulative." Sam, is that surprising to you?</s>SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF POP TRIGGER": Not surprising at all, Dr. Drew. She is so manipulative. We watched it during that trial. I mean, she is disgusting. OK? Does her crime deserved the death penalty? 100 percent. I do not think I could ever sentence to death, but listen, she was calculated. She was manipulative. She went to Arizona with her hair dyed. She made sure she rented that car that was not red.</s>PINSKY: Yes.</s>SCHACHER: She destroyed the evidence and then on top of all that, she has the audacity to malign Travis Alexander? She is disgusting -- and murdered him three times, only.</s>PINSKY: I know. And, I think, though, Sam, the same thing you mentioned is what the jury is struggling with is, can they actually subject somebody to the death penalty? Now, let us remind ourselves, she denied killing Travis. Then she confessed. She said she wanted to die, but then -- basically, she says what suits her needs in the moment. So, Anneelise, do you agree with me that they are struggling with the death penalty and the fact it is taking so long suggested maybe they are thinking very seriously about it?</s>ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: Yes, Dr. Drew, I do agree that they are struggling with it. And, I think that as more hours tick by, people are becoming more and more entrenched in their believes and their opinion. And, I think Sam hit the nail on the head when she said, she should be put to death, but I could not do it.</s>PINSKY: Right. I agree.</s>GOETZ: And, that is what you have to remember. It is unlike Jodi arias, you have 12 people that while legally they could put her to death, morally they might have a very difficult time doing that. And, especially, Dr. Drew, when you consider the fact that if you have a couple -- a few people that are saying, "No, I do not want the death penalty. And, people are trying to push them over to their side, as more time ticks by, those jurors start to feel like, it is on them. So, that decision to kill someone or not kill someone is lying on those few jurors that maybe are the holdout. And, as that continues, they become less and less likely to flip over.</s>SCHACHER: Yes, but Dr. Drew, why are they on jury then? I would not imagine when she selected this jury, they are not going to select people that are wishy washy like me that clearly are not for capital punishment.</s>VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: But it is a big decision.</s>SCHACHER: I know, but --</s>BARNETT: You do not go into it lightly. And, at the end of the day, who are we to decide if someone gets to die? That does not make us better than her going off killing Travis. It should not have never be on the table.</s>PINSKY: But, I think Sam`s point is, Vanessa, that you would not have gotten on the jury with statements like that.</s>SCHACHER: Exactly.</s>PINSKY: But, be that as it may, what you are doing, you guys, is you are reflecting upon feelings and moral doubts that anyone is going to have, even somebody who says, "Yes, I can put this woman to death." When you actually -- your hand is held to the fire. It is a harder thing to do, Anneelise, is it is not?</s>GOETZ: That is exactly what is going on. So, it is very easy, especially for us, Monday morning quarterback this and say --</s>PINSKY: Right.</s>GOETZ: -- "Well, obviously, she should have the death penalty. Look at what she did."</s>PINSKY: But you are asked to do it. -- Yes.</s>GOETZ: But, also keep in mind that the defense attorney is doing a great job of bringing in mitigating factors -- better mitigating factors than we saw in the last trial.</s>PINSKY: Yes.</s>GOETZ: And, those might be resonating with this jury pool.</s>PINSKY: Well, but enough -- there are enough clearly, though, in the jury pool that want to put her to death that this thing is getting stalemated. Is there a way this becomes a stalemated jury, Anneelise?</s>GOETZ: Absolutely. I mean if they cannot reach a decision --</s>PINSKY: Again?</s>GOETZ: If they cannot reach a decision, then it is done. And, then the death penalty is off the table.</s>PINSKY: What is that, Sam?</s>BARNETT: It should be.</s>GOETZ: You need -- You need 12. You need 12 --</s>SCHACHER: Right.</s>PINSKY: So, this is it? If it stalemates here, then that is the end of the death penalty, is that right?</s>SCHACHER: Yes. But, then guess what, Dr. Drew? Yes, that that is the end of the death penalty, but that it is not only life in prison. The judge could say that she gets 25 years.</s>PINSKY: Oh.</s>SCHACHER: Can you imagine if she only gets 25 years for murdering Travis Alexander as cruelly as she did?</s>PINSKY: Yes. I am going to make a prediction, Sam. Here is what I think. I think she will get life in prison. I think everyone will be very upset about it. I think people do believe that she should get the death penalty after all she executed her boyfriend multiple times as Sam said. I find it fascinating that prison staff is so concerned about the depth of her pathology that they are advising staff to stay away from her for fear that she will manipulate people, professional staff into some sort of bizarre web of hers. And, reminder, the tapes will become available of this trial. And, we will look at them and we will share them with you if there is anything of real note there. And, of course, we also will be on top of the decision when it comes down. Next up, a terribly disturbing story of a 9-month-old who eats heroin and almost dies because the mother`s boyfriend leaves the heroin lying around the house. And, I say good, good. And, I will explain why. And, later, today is Bobbi Kristina Brown`s 22nd birthday. I will tell you what Nick Gordon is saying about it after this.