Trump Calls for Special Prosecutor to Investigate Clinton; Trump Postponing Major Immigration Speech; Will Trump Release His Tax Returns?; Trump Reaching out to Black and Hispanic Voters.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: That does it for us. CNN TONIGHT with Don Lemon starts now.</s>DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Donald Trump ramping up his attacks on Hillary Clinton's character calling for a special prosecutor to investigate her. This is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Don Lemon. He is also postponing a major speech on immigration giving his new campaign a chance to fine tune the policy. But Trump at a rally tonight in Akron, Ohio, doubling down on his signature policy idea.</s>DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to build a wall, folks. We're going to build it.</s>LEMON: Well, Trump touching on a lot of issues at his rally. I want to begin, though, with CNN's correspondents Phil Mattingly and Jeff Zeleny. Good evening to you, gentlemen. Phil, you first, Donald Trump stumping in the key state of Ohio tonight. What did he have to say to his supporters?</s>PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, what you really heard was the influence of his newly minted campaign team. There was kind of that renewed outreach to minority voters. Kind of expanding a little bit on his what the hell do you have to lose line from last week but you also saw a sharpened focus on Hillary Clinton, attack after attack after attack. What you're seeing with this, Don, with this right now is really a dual message approach to a renewed campaign. One push by the new campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and the new campaign CEO Steve Bannon, one that they believe can help turn around a campaign for the last few weeks has really been lagging in the polls, Don.</s>LEMON: All right. Let's listen to a clip.</s>TRUMP: Another major part of our agenda is immigration security. We need to protect American jobs. We need to protect American safety. (CROWD CHANTING "Build that wall")</s>TRUMP: We're going to build a wall, folks. We're going to build it. And you know what else I mean? Mexico is going to pay for the wall.</s>LEMON: So, Phil, the campaign is answering a lot of questions about his immigration policy after his campaign manager was asked whether Trump still planned to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and she said to be determined. What more can you tell us about that?</s>MATTINGLY: Well, we know the wall is it. And obviously the wall will still be part of the policy. What we don't know is really the other details of this immigration proposal. You noted Donald Trump had a major immigration speech scheduled for Thursday. That has been postponed. And what we're seeing publicly is a lot of what's going on behind the scenes privately. There's a lot of talk and debate over what the final approach to immigration would be. Donald Trump obviously very hardline on immigration issues up to this point. But his new campaign team very cognizant of the fact that they need to soften if not the policy then at least the message or language that they use talking about that. If they are to kind of achieve outreach to enough voters to actually win in November. That's the debate that's going on behind the scenes. We're seeing a lot of shifting messages back and forth depending on the advisers that you talk to. But as Donald Trump notes at least the wall for sure is it, Don.</s>LEMON: And, Jeff, my question to you is, did you guys call each other? You're wearing the same thing tonight. You, guys look exactly alike.</s>JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: You said it.</s>LEMON: Tonight, your outfit looks exactly alike. But, Jeff, you have been covering Hillary Clinton today. She got some unwelcome news concerning her e-mails. What's the latest with that?</s>ZELENY: Don, when you think this e-mail controversy is done, it's not. A federal judge here today in Washington ruled that the State Department has to accelerate the release of 15,000 new e-mails and documents that we have not yet seen. This is all part of the FBI investigation. They turned these up in their year-long investigation of that private e-mail server that she used as Secretary of State. Now the FBI has looked at these, so there won't be any sort of new examples of any criminal wrongdoing, but the public has not looked at them. We have not looked at them. So, this will definitely be a question here, "a," why didn't they turn them over, and "b", what is contained in them? So, you know, just when they think they're turning the corner, they are not here, and it's all because of that decision to use a private e-mail server back at the beginning of the Obama administration.</s>LEMON: It's also fodder for her opponent, Donald Trump, here's what he said tonight about it.</s>ZELENY: Right.</s>TRUMP: Hillary Clinton said she turned over all of her work-related e-mails. She... (CROWD CHANTING "Lock her up")</s>TRUMP: She testified to Congress under penalty of perjury. Now we learn about another 15,000 e-mails she failed to turn over and they've just been discovered, I guess, today.</s>LEMON: Yes, is that true? Because it's documents and they don't know if they are duplicates, so is his statement true?</s>ZELENY: No, his statement was not true. "A," they were not turned over today. The FBI turned them over to the State Department in July actually after their year-long investigation. And we don't know how many of them are new or duplicates. But the State Department are telling us they believe many of them are new. We have not yet seen them. So, the challenge here for Donald Trump, obviously his crowd is chanting "lock them up, lock them up." This gets his base going. It gets the Clinton base going as well because they are, frankly, sick of this e-mail talk. Bernie Sanders famously said, you know, "enough of the damn e-mails." Democrats believe that. But it is those voters in the middle who may be turned off by Donald Trump, maybe you're just on the cusp of holding their nose and voting for Hillary Clinton, republicans or whoever, who maybe, you know, have some more questions about this. So, that's why the Clinton campaign is not welcoming this news. They wanted to be talking about Donald Trump's temperament today, the new advertising campaign. But that federal judge ruled today that, you know, these 15,000 e- mails must be released starting in a month or so. So this is not going to go away.</s>LEMON: Yes.</s>ZELENY: This is going to be a drip, drip, drip until election day.</s>LEMON: I had to say, though, I mean, it's not a good week for her starting off. Because Donald Trump continues, Jeff, to accuse Clinton of using her position as Secretary of State to do favors for Clinton Foundation donors. What can you tell us about that?</s>ZELENY: That definitely is an accusation, but so far all of our investigations have not shown any examples of concrete favors. Our colleague, Drew Griffin, has been investigating the foundation. There are questions for sure about access that donors had. Meetings with the secretary. And other things. But there is so far no exact evidence we've been able to find of a quid pro quo. But the Clintons are so sensitive to this, Don. They are changing the rules of the foundation. Saying that if she is elected president, they will not accept any outside contributions, any foreign contributions and in fact, the former president will step down as part of this foundation here. But some critics are like why should you wait until the election, why shouldn't you do that right now here? So, this foundation and the e- mails, they are linked. They're going to continue to be fodder for many questions and much criticism between now and election day.</s>LEMON: It's the old self-inflicted wounds we're talking about. Thank you, very much, for that Jeff and Phil, I appreciate it. I want to bring in now Betsy McCaughey, she's the former lieutenant governor of New York who is supporting Donald Trump, and CNN political commentator Kayleigh McEnany, also a Trump supporter, Bakari Sellers is here, a Hillary Clinton supporter, and Ms. Ana Navarro is here as well, back from vacation and fresh I am sure. So, good evening to all of you. Thank you for coming on. First to you, lieutenant governor, again, thank you for coming on tonight. Donald Trump said at many times, no uncertain terms, that 11 million illegal immigrants had to be deported. Some question. Do you think he's backing off now?</s>BETSY MCCAUGHEY, TRUMP ECONOMIC ADVISOR: No, I'll tell you what he's doing, and this is the natural evolution of the campaign as he moves from the primary to the general election. He's made it clear there will be a wall. No surprise about that. Every nation has a right and an obligation to enforce its borders and sadly, the United States has failed to do that in the past. And that created an enormous economic burden for particularly for labor in this country. But on the other issues, he needs the cooperation of Congress. He understands that there are three branches of government in the United States and when he met with Hispanic leaders this weekend, it was obvious that he would have to map out a practical way and he's always used the word, fair and humane, practical, fair and humane way to deal with illegal immigration. But I would say this, more than anything Donald Trump's approach to immigration, it is not racial. It is based on two things. Economics and public safety.</s>LEMON: OK. But my question is, he's not -- because initially he said we would have them deported, they would be able to come back in, talking about illegal immigrants. And now it's yet to be determined. Let me -- I'm going to play Kellyanne Conway on State of the Union then we can talk about it. This is campaign manager.</s>KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: As the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the United States.</s>DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Will that plan include a deportation force, the kind that he just -- you just heard in that sound bite and that he talked about during the republican primaries?</s>CONWAY: To be determined.</s>LEMON: So, she's saying to be determined because it's a deportation force at first, he said. And then now he's saying maybe not.</s>MCCAUGHEY: But that was -- require action by Congress as well. And so, naturally as you move forward in a campaign and talk to all the constituents...</s>LEMON: As you move forward or as he's learned better?</s>MCCAUGHEY: No, I think as you move forward in the primary process, he mapped out his values. He made it clear that in enforcing the border and preferring legal immigration was his values. That's what he presented to the American people. And as I said, he strongly believes that every nation on earth has a right, an obligation, to enforce its borders and determine who comes in.</s>LEMON: OK. I was going to get to Kayleigh, but Ana, I know you're rearing to get in. What did you want to say?</s>ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Frankly, I was just listening to what she was saying. I have a hard time reacting to what Donald Trump is going to say because I think none of us know what he's going to say, in fact, I don't think he knows what he's going to say which is why that immigration speech was postponed. Look, Kellyanne Conway is a very decent human being, she's a very sensible human being. She has been a republican politics for a really long time. She's been in the trenches and she has pulled this immigration issue back and forth. She has been an advocate for immigration reform. She tried to convince republicans to get it passed because she knew it was the sensible thing to do not only from a human perspective but also from a political perspective. She's got a very tough cat to skin in a sense that Donald Trump has based a large part of his campaign on building a wall, on bashing immigrants, on bashing Hispanics, on just being very divisive. His rhetoric has been very hostile. And so, how does he balance it, how does he balance this immigration issue that on the one hand makes sense to pivot on during a general election but on the other hand it's what a lot of his base really likes. That's this one issue that he has laser focused on for the last year plus.</s>LEMON: And that is really the conundrum that the campaign manager and the campaign manager faces, Kayleigh, as they go through, because the lieutenant governor is saying, no, you know, he is just, I guess it's sort of a pivot, he's learning that you have to go through Congress and you have to do these things. But initially as we've been here for a year talking about this, he said they would have to go and then come back. Correct? You don't think this is a change in policy?</s>KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I do think it's a change. But, look, in the March debate, Donald Trump said something that I think was very smart. He said great leaders are flexible. Because they do have to work with Congress.</s>MCCAUGHEY: Right.</s>MCENANY: You have to be flexible on the margins of your policy. What republican leaders care about is not sending illegal immigrants out of this country. That is not the number one thing republican voters care about. They care about having a secure border, they care about not having illegal immigrants on the street. So, Donald Trump said, look, we're still going to build the wall, we're going to have the overriding principle of border security but we're not going to do what this democratic administration has done with is let out 19,700 criminal illegal immigrants onto the street, 800 with sexual convictions, 200 with murder convictions. That is the contrast that Donald Trump has put forward. He changed on this and I think it was a good thing he change on the margin of this policy.</s>LEMON: Bakari, do get stand by. I want to get one more answer from Ana, then I will let you in. Because, Ana, this weekend, Trump met with some - while we are in the subject of immigration and the Hispanic voters. He met with some Hispanic advisers. Do you feel like he is trying to find a way to pivot toward the center here?</s>NAVARRO: Look, I have no idea what he's trying to do. I think he's reading the polls and I think he sees that he is in the teens in support with Hispanics, and that's very bad particularly in some swing states like the one I live in in Florida. The problem is that it is, frankly, too little too late. For 14, 15 months Donald Trump has now been bashing Hispanics. He launched his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists, by saying they brought crime, and that yes, there were some good people. He went after Judge Curiel because of his Mexican heritage. He kicked Jorge Ramos and Jose Diaz-Balart at a press event. He has done thing after thing after Hispanics. You don't start building a relationship with a community less than three months before an election. This is something that takes a lifelong commitment.</s>LEMON: OK.</s>NAVARRO: Now, I will tell you, I do think that it's important to recognize that Hispanics like African-Americans like every other group are not one homogeneous bloc and there's difference of opinion. As far as I'm concerned, he has burnt the bridges. There are others who feel different.</s>LEMON: Go ahead, Ms. McCaughey. Governor, you want to respond.</s>MCCAUGHEY: I don't believe he has burnt the bridges. Because there's a very large Hispanic community in our country who respects the law, who obey the law if they came in as immigrants themselves. They are hardworking people. They want to see economic success in this country. And for those people, as for many other Americans, they understand that immigration is not a racial issue. It's an economic issue. Look at our northern border to Canada...</s>BAKARI SELLERS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: But I just have to...</s>MCCAUGHEY: Just a moment. Look at our northern border to Canada which welcomes in more immigrants even than the United States proportionately. But they have rule, never mind what your ethnic origin is, if you can demonstrate that you can make a contribution to the economy, that you are self-sufficient, that you are educated and have skills and can support your family, welcome in.</s>LEMON: OK.</s>MCCAUGHEY: And that should be the rule in the United States.</s>LEMON: Bakari, go ahead.</s>NAVARRO: Yes, it's not the racial. I get that. I guess that's why Donald Trump has suggested a wall with Canada.</s>SELLERS: I just think -- I just think that the lieutenant governor -- no. I just think that the lieutenant governor is just completely wrong when she states that this hasn't been racial whatsoever. In fact, Donald Trump patterned his immigration policy of 1948, Dwight Eisenhower's operation wet back. And we know that to be true. And that in itself, I mean, his campaign, when he opened his campaign, he talked about Mexicans being rapists. So, yes. There's definitely has issue of connotations...</s>MCCAUGHEY: Well, there is a lot of illegality on that border and unfortunately, illegal immigrants are the victims of it.</s>SELLERS: And unfortunately, I'm just going to -- I let you -- I let you finish. I just want to get this last thought out. Unfortunately, all the hardworking immigrants that you talked just a moment ago has not been something that Donald Trump has uttered. When we talked about his speech at the convention which was supposed to set the tone for the last few months in this candidacy, in this campaign, he didn't mention one positive image of a Hispanic-American, of an immigrant. Not one. Instead, it was desperation doom and despair. Instead it was every immigrant, every person of color is one of a criminal background who has an affinity to break the law of this country.</s>MCENANY: That's not true.</s>MCCAUGHEY: That's not at all his characterization.</s>SELLERS: And that's just not the case.</s>MCENANY: And, Bakari, he has said immigration is good, and he wants immigrants to be here, he wants them to come the right way. There are American citizens who have lost their lives because illegal immigrants were let out by this president and by the policies of sanctuary cities and Kate Steinle is one of them. And that is not fair. Not one American citizen should lose their life because a criminal is let out on the streets.</s>LEMON: OK. We'll take a break. We're going to talk about African- American outreach. We'll be right back.