Shooting Incident at Greyhound Bus Station in Richmond; Donald Trump Has Wrapped Up Meeting with the RNC; Governor Kasich Waging New War on Donald Trump
PAMELA BROWN, CNN HOST: Welcome back. We're still following that breaking news out of Richmond, Virginia. We just received a statement from Corinne Geller, Virginia state police. She said at around 2:45 p.m., state police were alerted to the shooting incident there at that greyhound bus station at 2910 North Boulevard in the city of Richmond. We have learned two Virginia state police troopers and one female civilian have been transported VCU medical center for treatment. We are told by Virginia state police that that shooting suspect is now in custody. So the situation is contained. Art, we don't know the circumstances yet of what happened. So presumably the two officers were responding to the incident, right?</s>ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST (on the phone): Yes, that's what it sounds like or we also don't know if this could have been some type of vehicle chase or car stop that ended up there at the greyhound bus station, but very well they might have responded. And this the key part of this whole incident right now is going to be, OK, what is the background of this incident? Was this a domestic-type situation or is it a criminal-type shooting? And it's probably one or the other at this point in time.</s>BROWN: But all of this, you know, every time when these incidents happened raises questions about security at these transportation hubs, these soft targets and so forth. Art Roderick, thanks for sharing your perspective. We appreciate it. And more breaking news at this hour. Donald Trump has just wrapped up his meeting with the RNC. And Dana Bash has new details about what was discussed. Dana, we are all dying to know.</s>DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, my understanding is, as you and I were sort of suspecting at the top of the hour, it was about delegates and about convention rules. But specifically, you know, kind of how the mechanisms all work, how they could work, how they will work. And we are obviously -- we've been talking about delegates. How it will be kind of a very different sort of event if Donald Trump or anybody else doesn't get the 1,237 delegates need to clinch the nomination. And so, my understanding is that was the crux of the discussion, it was about that, kind of going through the machinations of how it works. Now, having said that, I'm not sure, and I haven't gotten from sources yet what the timing was for scheduling this meeting, Pam. Because you and I were also talking about, earlier in the show the fact that on CNN's town hall, Trump went after the RNC explicitly, saying that they are not treating him fairly anymore. So not sure if this meeting was scheduled after that or if it was prescheduled, but it certainly will be interesting to know. I know something I will be following up on as others on our team will.</s>BROWN: I know you will, Dana Bash. Thank you so much for that reporting. And as all this unfolds, Governor Kasich is waging a new war on Donald Trump, holding a stunning press conference, laying out five reasons Trump is unfit for president, and declaring presidents don't get do- overs.</s>GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It appears as though when he does these events and people press him, he becomes unmoored and then has to spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to correct all the mistakes that he made. And I have to tell you that as commander in-chief and leader of the free world, you don't get do- overs. You need to be able to get it right the first time.</s>BROWN: So joining me now to discuss all this is Dylan Byers, CNN senior media and politics reporter. Dylan, thanks for coming on. Do you think John Kasich has a point here?</s>DYLAN BYERS, CNN SENIOR REPORTER FOR MEDIA AND POLITICS: Yes, I think he absolutely has a point. I mean, Donald Trump's critics for long, I mean, for nine months now, has been saying he doesn't have many policy positions, a lot of these things he's saying, he's saying off the cuff. That he has contradicted himself. That he is a hypocrite, what have you. And for Trump's sort of core base of supporters and the people who were caught up in Trump's story and the sort of hype around his campaign and the sensational nature of his campaign, none of that seemed to matter. He was always very successful in brushing it off, in sort of, you know, relegating it to, you have the media's just coming after me, what have you. What we have seen in the last 24 or 36 hours is Trump sort of not be able to keep up that sort of charade. We have actually seen him stumble. We have seen him forced to make the sort of course correction on a gaffe that we, you know, we have come to expect for more traditional political candidate. Donald Trump has never been a traditional political candidate. And now lo and behold here we have Trump, the political candidate.</s>BROWN: Yes. Just the way he dealt with it has been different. And he has been relatively quiet since the controversy erupted in the past 24 hours and it does seem like the media is going harder on Trump these days. Even CNN's own Anderson Cooper at this week's town hall was. Take a listen to that.</s>ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, AC 360: You retweeted an unflattering picture of her next to picture of your wife.</s>DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I thought it was a nice picture of Heidi. I thought it was fine.</s>COOPER: Come on.</s>TRUMP: I thought it was fine. She is a pretty woman.</s>COOPER: You are running for president of the United States.</s>TRUMP: Excuse me. Excuse me. I didn't start it.</s>COOPER: But sir, with all due respect, that's the argument of a 5- year-old.</s>TRUMP: I didn't start it. No, it's not the -- excuse me, you would say that. That's the problem with our country --</s>COOPER: Every parent --</s>BROWN: So what's your take on all this, how the media's sort of going after him a little more aggressively, it seems?</s>BYERS: Well, you know, there's been a very robust debate that has been happening for a long time about how the media has covered Donald Trump, whether the media has enabled his rise. Certainly, he has gotten a vastly disproportionate amount of coverage when compared to the other candidates. Look. I think there are a lot of members of the media who have been going hard on Trump for a long time. I think what's happening is that Trump continues to sort of up the bar on sort of the either incendiary nature of what he will say, or really the sort of like scraping of the bottom of the barrel. And I think what's happened recently is we are seeing in the wake of these really historic significant events like the attack in Brussels recently. We are seeing Donald Trump sort of drag the Republican primary down into this bickering over, you know, his wife and his opponent's wife. It's making it easier for tough questioners like Anderson Cooper, like MSNBC's Chris Matthews, to really push Trump and to really sort of expose that he is behaving like a 5-year-old, and that running for the president of the United States is not like being on the schoolyard.</s>BROWN: No. Part of why he has been getting so much attention in the media, too, is because he is will to put himself out there, do these interviews. But we saw with Chris Matthews really a savaging that he got about abortion and that caused him to change his stance three times in three hours, that's the headline. What do you think about the decision to do an interview with someone like Chris Matthews? Shouldn't he be stronger with who he agrees to do interviews with? You know what you are kind put yourself in for, right?</s>BYERS: Yes, right. And you know, just to Chris Matthews' interview, I would point out the key number for me there is 12, 12 times that Chris Matthews pressed Trump to answer that abortion question. That is the sort of attitude that an interviewer needs to take when questioning Donald Trump. Look. As to why he did it, I think Donald Trump has long believed he's above the media, that he has nothing to lose. You know, why did he do Anderson Cooper the night before? Why did they think that would be a smart idea? You know, his attitude has always been that he is better than the media and that he can get away with anything. With the last - again, the last two nights have proved between that interview with Anderson and that interview with Chris Matthews is that that's not the case and he has really being pushed hard right now in a way that like you said he hasn't been before.</s>BROWN: Dylan Byers, thank you for that. Interesting perspective. Appreciate it. And up next on this Thursday, CNN takes you back to the '80s back when Donald Trump was just a real estate mogul. And in honor of our new original series, Morgan Fairchild joins me live at her take on the Donald she knows and her favorite memories from that decade. Plus, we are live at the famous cheers bar in Boston where we will be joined by Michaela Pereira right here. She'll have her fun rum drink for us after the break, stay with us.