Pakistani Woman Wins Nobel Peace Prize; Off-Duty Police Officer Shoots and Kills Black Teenager
MALALA YOUSAFZAI, NOBEL PRIZE WINNER: They cannot kill my cause.</s>CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So it's that kind of determination and poise that obviously got her to this Nobel Peace Prize. And it's a long and big, big message, obviously to the world, because as we sit here right now, what do we see? We see ISIS, Islamic extremists who are slaughtering, butchering, beheading, not just our fellow journalists and others but also girls and women just for trying to have the kind of rights that Malala has been standing up for and risked her life for. And then of course on the other hand, Kailash Satyarthi, he is much, much older than Malala and has spent a lifetime trying to get children out of child labor. You know, according to the statistics that I'm reading, 140 million children in India alone in child labor, and about half of those in servitude and slavery.</s>ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: And Christiane, It's Alisyn here, and as we've been talking, there's something poignant and powerful about the Nobel committee awarding it to India and Pakistan and their sort of beacons there.</s>AMANPOUR: Look, I think you're absolutely right. They were apparently a record number of entries and nominations, according to the statistics, some 278 this year. And they've been very careful and quite clever about who they've chosen. They have stood up for children, both in education and slave labor. The peace part of the prize is really India and Pakistan, two countries which are very antagonistic, neighbors, nuclear-powered, fought three wars. People are always worried about what the next war might bring if the two prime ministers can't get together and work their problems out politically. So I think that is very important. And also on the religious side as well. You have the Muslim, Malala and the Hindu, Kailash Satyarthi, and I think it's very important, these messages. The big, big test, of course, is whether Malala particularly can actually have an impact in her own country where, very sadly, she has not been able to return after being treated here. She's still here in England, and there is some backlash against what she stands for there. So still a huge amount of education to be done just to accept her campaign for education.</s>CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: On the one hand, it is so good to recognize the work of a gentleman that has a lifetime of work and showing that type of dedication. And then the other hand, I mean, you can't overstate how remarkable, Christiane help up get perspective on this. Not only is she young, not only was she very young when this happened, but to overcome the injury, and then the culture and all the restrictions on her and to have the voice, how unique an individual does it make her?</s>AMANPOUR: I think really unique, because even though Kailash Satyarthi is much older and he has devoted his life to his labor of love and human rights, she also has devoted her young life to that. She was very, very young when she started to speak out in Pakistan. In one of what used to be a wonderful part of Pakistan, the Swat Valley, which then was overrun by the Taliban and has had terrible impact because of that, there have been millions of refugees who poured out of that, millions of young girls, women and boys and men who have been oppressed and assaulted by the Taliban. And yet she kept speaking up at a very young age. And she had at least the support of her parents, her father, the male of the family supported her. And she kept talking, and just one day two years ago she was on a bus coming home from school sitting with her girlfriends, her classmates on the bus, and somebody, a Taliban, stopped the bus, asked specifically which one is Malala. And her book was entitled "I am Malala." And for that, she was shot, and it was life-threatening, and they airlifted her here to England to a very highly specialized, the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, and they saved her life. And it might have deterred a lesser spirit. But it has not deterred her, and it's really remarkable.</s>CAMEROTA: It sure is. Christiane, thanks so much for all of that background. She is a true inspiration. Malala is a transcendent figure for her time. She is so far beyond her years.</s>CUOMO: And Mr. Satyarthi makes the point that people literally dedicate their lives to causes for peace in a country that needs it very well, with 140 million kids in child labor, as Christiane just said.</s>CAMEROTA: He saved tens of thousands. Meanwhile, we have other news to tell you about. Breaking overnight, a deadly shooting spurring violent clashes between protesters and police in St. Louis. The anger is fuelled by the fatal shooting of a black teenager by an off-duty police officer not far from where Michael Brown was killed. This comes just before a weekend of planned demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, against police practices that have come under intense scrutiny since the Brown shooting in August. CNN's Sara Sidner is live in Ferguson for us this morning. What is the scene in the town since this has happened?</s>SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's quiet. It's been raining and it is very early in the morning here. And so things are quiet now. But overnight there was quite a bit of unrest in St. Louis, which is about 10 to 12 miles from here. Police there saying that two people were arrested. One officer was injured when someone, according to police, threw a knife and hit an office in the shoulder. That officer OK, but dealing with small injuries there. We can also tell you this was all sparked by another shooting involving a black teenager who is 18 years old, the same age as Michael Brown who was killed here two months ago. He was killed, Vonderrit Myers was killed by a white police officer who was off-duty but wearing his police uniform. There are a lot of questions that protesters are asking and Myer's family. Protesters are saying he was unarmed. The person where he visited the last few minutes of his life, visiting a store. The store owner said he didn't see a gun on him. But police disputing that, saying that Vonderrit Myers did indeed shoot at a police officer. The police officer was off-duty, but he was, again, wearing his uniform. That officer saying he saw Myers and two other gentlemen running, and that's what made the officer turn around and pursue him. There are questions tonight, from the protesters and family as to why exactly he was chasing Vonderrit Myers and his friends in the first place. But this all converged to make a very dangerous scene there on Shaw Boulevard in St. Louis. Again, two people arrested, one officer hurt.</s>CAMEROTA: Sara Sidner, thank you for the update from Ferguson. Let's go to Chris.</s>CUOMO: The facts are so important in a situation like this, because if you see it one way, you feel one thing about it. If you see it another way, you have a whole different set of feelings. So let's dig deeper with Neil Bruntrager. He's the general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association. Mr. Bruntrager, it's very good to have you this morning. Let's go through what we know, and then we will discuss how an officer supposed to react under the circumstances once we understand them. Is it true that this police officer was off- duty?</s>NEIL BRUNTRAGER, GENERAL COUNSEL, ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICER ASSOCIATION: Yes, and that's not an usual thing for us to have what we had in this situation where he's been hired by a neighborhood association effectively to provide some additional police patrolling activity. That's what he was doing.</s>CUOMO: He was in uniform, meaning he was in his normal police uniform?</s>BRUNTRAGER: That's correct. And that's what we call approved secondary. So, again, what he was doing that night would have been approved by the department.</s>CUOMO: What is your understanding of what happened when he approached the young man?</s>BRUNTRAGER: He was in an automobile which was provided by a security company who is the private company that would have contracted with the neighborhood. As I understand it, what he was doing was patrolling the streets, and he encountered them first having passed by them, saw them walking down the street, went down the street a distance, did a U-turn, came back the other way. And as he did that they started to run. My understand was that he then got out of his car and provided foot pursuit to the three that were running. The young man, Vonderrit Myers, who was running --</s>CUOMO: Let me stop you right there for a second, counsel.</s>BRUNTRAGER: Sure.</s>CUOMO: Why do you understand that he decided to give chase to kids who are running? As you know, kids run from the cops all the time. As you know, the law states it's not probable cause of a crime by itself. Do you know why he decided to do that?</s>BRUNTRAGER: Well, you have reasonable grounds to stop them or pursue at that point and investigate it further. So again, he got out because he perceived that there was something that was amiss. And let's pay attention to what we think we want police officers to do. We want them to use their instincts. We want them -- there was a veteran officer, six years on the force, four years in the Marine Corps. So he sees something that has sparked his interest and he's reacting to it. That's what he's paid to do.</s>CUOMO: So he gets out. He chases. What happens?</s>BRUNTRAGER: As he gets out and chases them, my understanding was he runs. He's at the intersection of Clem and Shaw. The young man runs up a hill, and again you sort of have to see this, but the house that he runs towards is in an elevated position. And my guess is that he was running towards a gangway that existed between the buildings so that he could get away. As he got to the top of the hill, he fell. He turned, and apparently at that point produced a weapon and started firing at the officer.</s>CUOMO: The family says he had a sandwich in his hand and it was mistaken for a gun. Do you give any credence to that?</s>BRUNTRAGER: No, none whatsoever. And let's look at the physical evidence that we know was there. When the police got there, they get there right away, the first thing you do is secure the scene. You make sure that everything gets up so you can protect the area where this happened. They put up tape, they did all sorts of things make sure that that happened. They recovered a pistol from the young man that was jammed, so that he had fired the pistol. They knew it. There was a bullet that jammed in the pistol so it couldn't fire any more. There were shell casings around the body. There were bullets recovered from the ground by the police officer. What they didn't recover was a sandwich. So again, there's nothing that indicates that he was eating a sandwich. You know, again, I don't know where that came from, but people construct things, and that's the problem we have here.</s>CUOMO: What did the other two kids say? Were either of the other two kids detained?</s>BRUNTRAGER: No. And my understanding was, again, as I've spoken to them - or, excuse me, I've not spoken to them. As I've gotten information from the police officers I haven't heard anything that suggests they're offering any different details than what I'm describing to you.</s>CUOMO: Now, the chief involved in this situation is the same chief, I understand, who was involved when the officers shot and killed the man who was believed to be mentally disturbed who had the knife who kept coming at them outside the store. He was very open with the public. He gave them all the information they wanted and it helped. Shouldn't they be doing the same thing now and bringing out all these details so people aren't guessing at what happened?</s>BRUNTRAGER: Yes, he should. And he is. So again, what we have is in St. Louis, and you have to understand there's a big distinction between St. Louis and Ferguson not just in terms of distance, that's 10-12 miles apart. But we're a separate county unto ourselves. The police chief that you're talking about, Chief Dodson, has always had a policy of what we call transparency. In fact we have and began about six months ago a new officer-involved shooting policy that was implemented right at the time the Michael Brown shooting occurred. And the entire basis for that rule is transparency. And that's what he's doing now. And that's what he did with the shooting that you've described before, what we call the North Point shooting.</s>CUOMO: It's Different this time. Last time he was quicker about giving the information that the crowd was interested in. This time, hopefully it comes out, especially with the 17 shots. Not especially, all of this information is relevant. But the 17 shots, help us understand that, because to many people it sounds like that's a lot of shots in a situation like this.</s>BRUNTRAGER: Well, what we do, in a situation where an officer is faced with a threat of deadly harm, what we do is train an officer to deal with that threat by responding to it with deadly force, and responding to it until the threat is gone. So when an officer feels that he needs to use deadly force, he or she needs to use it, they're taught to use it until the threat has ended. So again, I don't think people realize how quickly one can fire that many shots. And it can happen very, very quickly. But again, you're taught to do that until the threat has ended. So whether it's one shot or five shots or 12 shots or 17 shots, you fire until the threat has ended, and that's what happened here.</s>CUOMO: Counsel, I appreciate you being on with us very much this morning, because the facts are all-important. There's no question whether it's St. Louis or Ferguson, there's a culture of policing issue there. The community needs to have better relationships going on, needs more information, so we appreciate it.</s>BRUNTRAGER: And thank you. And I will tell you, it's not just here. It's transparency around the country. These are conversations that we have to have. And again, it's sad that this only now happens when we face these tragedies. But the more we can say, the more people understand what police do, the more confident they're going to be in what police do. And I thank you for the opportunity.</s>CUOMO: Neil Bruntrager, we're happy to afford it to you, and hopefully we'll talk again.</s>BRUNTRAGER: Thanks a lot.</s>CUOMO: Michaela, to you.</s>MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right, thanks so much, Chris. It's 12 minutes past the hour. We'll give a look at the headlines now. Breaking this morning, North and South Korea reportedly exchanging artillery fire across the border. The clash coming as North Korea marks the 69th anniversary of its ruling party. We're not given any word on casualties. We'll keep an eye on that. Meanwhile, Kim Jong-un is still MIA. The 31-year-old North Korean leader has not been seen in public in some 37 days. And overnight he missed a ceremonial palace visit to the remains of his father and grandfather. We'll have much more ahead for you in a live report from South Korea later in the hour. Breaking news also out of Syria. Witnesses tell CNN ISIS militants are gaining ground towards Kobani city center right now. This as U.S.-led air strikes pound ISIS position there. The military group reportedly sending in reinforcements to battle Kurdish forces in their attempt to capture the city. U.S. officials are already on record saying they cannot stop Kobani from falling into ISIS hands. They instead are trying to get the Turkish government more involved in the fight against the extremists. Hong Kong's government canceling talks with pro-democracy demonstrators are student protest leaders encouraged their supporters to continue occupying city streets. At the same time political rivals are calling for Hong Kong's leader Leung Chun-ying to resign over claims he expected millions of dollars in private payments while in office. So this happened. A pony, a fugitive, an escapee, however you want to typify this, had the audacity to escape from a field in England. Apparently he wanted to turn himself in to British authorities. He walked right into a police station and then walked right out again. The guys at first seemed a little surprised. And they handled it well, I think. They didn't overreact. They didn't freak out. The one guy got a little bit like hey, I don't know - -</s>CUOMO: He didn't have the right to answer this store?</s>PEREIRA: It's a police station.</s>CUOMO: Oh, it is a police station?</s>PEREIRA: Generally, people frown when horses walk into buildings. Chris.</s>CUOMO: Maybe he had something important to report. Do you think they treated him the right way when he came in?</s>CAMEROTA: Chris wants to have a debate about it.</s>PEREIRA: Not a lot of words were exchanged.</s>CUOMO: I heard that the horse said, is this because I'm --</s>PEREIRA: Neigh a word was spoken.</s>CUOMO: Neigh a word was -- strong, neigh a word was spoken.</s>CAMEROTA: And then police officer said, why the long face?</s>CUOMO: Oh!</s>CAMEROTA: They write themselves.</s>PEREIRA: This is good stuff today. Early for you.</s>CUOMO: That is strong. Strong.</s>CAMEROTA: Speaking of jokes, he claims it was a joke, but no one was laughing when an American passenger on a U.S. Airways flight to the Dominican Republic sparked an all-out Ebola scare. We'll tell you what he said that brought medics in hazmat suits rushing onto that plane.