U.K. Authorities Impose Maximum Fine on Facebook; Cambridge Analytica Whistleblower Responds to Facebook Fine
QUEST: Croatia advance to the World Cup final to meet France this weekend after beating England 2-1. An extraordinary match where the final goal was scored in extra time. Kavia Krosijic(ph) is senior correspondent of the Croatia broadcaster "N1". Congratulations sir, you're going to the World Cup final.</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you so much, Richard, thank you so much. Many have believed that this was possible, many have believed that this will happen, but only few have actually dared to think that this will happen, that Croatia will play the World Cup finals in Russia, in Moscow. Songs are beginning to be sung here in Zagreb and I guess that you can hear the noise behind my back, I don't know how well you can see me, but I guess that if you can hear everybody actually incredibly enjoying this incredible moment. It's a moment of pure, beautiful, wonderful insanity. Nobody has believed in --</s>QUEST: All right --</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So after we saw it, I cannot -- I cannot --</s>QUEST: All right --</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With my words.</s>QUEST: And we're grateful that you enjoyed it with us tonight, sir, good luck in the final -- excuse me, on Sunday. Don Riddell at the Cnn center. Don, now, let's look forward to this weekend's final. France and Croatia, you know, you are well aware of my limited knowledge on football, but I would say this should be France's.</s>RIDDELL: Let's stop making predictions in this tournament, Richard, and just enjoy the final. And I'll tell you what, it should be a really exciting final. Both these teams can play. Of course, France are in to the World Cup final for the third time in only six tournaments, Croatia are there for the first time ever. Croatia will give this as unfinished business, Richard, because in their very first World Cup back in 1998, it actually lost to France in the semifinal --</s>QUEST: Oh --</s>RIDDELL: France went on to win that tournament. This is a terrific achievement for Croatia, having got to the final, and even though they have some incredibly talented players, they have done this the hard way. They have been behind in all three of their knockout games and they've gone on to win, I believe, that is historic, I believe nobody has done that before. They won their last two games on penalty shoot-outs. I will say this, they effectively played again more than France. They've played three periods of extra time, they've played 90 minutes more than France have at this point. Plus, France have had a day to recover more than the Croatian team. So perhaps yes, on paper, you would think that France with edge in this final come the weekend, but it's going to be a terrific occasion. And this World Cup, though disappointing for many people whose teams have fallen by the way side, it really has been thoroughly</s>QUEST: And England go home with glory.</s>RIDDELL: Yes, I would say so, they headed out to Russia with very little expectation, there's very little excitement in the U.K., I think English football fans have learned their lesson, their team so often in the past has had great potential and let everybody down. And I think everything has been turned upside down on this occasion. This team has grown in confidence, they've put in some terrific performances, they've punched well above their weight by getting to the semifinals and they've made their fans believe again. And I think this is a young team, they are really just getting started, and I think this team will have more to offer in the years ahead.</s>QUEST: Don Riddell, thank you sir, thank you for being with us throughout the course of the hour, it's been great to have your --</s>RIDDELL: Yes, me too --</s>QUEST: To enjoy the moment one way or another. And now, we will turn to our business agenda. U.K. authorities say that Facebook broke the law by failing to safeguard users data in the Cambridge Analytica scandal. And they're imposing the maximum possible fine which is half a million pounds, around 650 -- $664,000. A drop in a bucket compared to Facebook's overall revenue. In 2017, the company brought in more than $40 billion. Christopher Wylie is the co-founder of Cambridge Analytica and he revealed the misuse of Facebook's users data. Now, obviously, Christopher Wylie, you accept that that was the maximum, you can't help it, you know, they've got to find the maximum, but it's still a relatively poultry amount I would imagine in your view.</s>CHRISTOPHER WYLIE, CO-FOUNDER, CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA: Well, it is and it isn't. You know, it's important for people to understand that Europe has now entered a new data regulatory regime since May, so beyond that point, any future data crime or unlawful behavior of these companies will face much larger fines upwards of 4 percent of their annual turnover. So this was only old regime, it is much lower, but I think you know, what's important to understand is that it sends a signal to these companies that they -- you know, people are starting to pay attention and they need to own up to the fact that they have both social responsibilities and legal responsibilities to its users.</s>QUEST: Are you still -- or you would just say you are surprised or amazed or the sort of ramifications, the enormous amount of effect that followed on from what you did.</s>WYLIE: You know, I am optimistic, I am happy that in my coming forward as a whistleblower that people are now starting to take these issues seriously. You know, data is the new electricity of our economy and our society, people don't have a choice but they have to use the internet now. And so we need to make sure that the platforms that they're using are safe and respectful of -- sorry --</s>QUEST: No, please --</s>WYLIE: Of -- just lost my earpiece here.</s>QUEST: Oh, hopefully, you can still hear me.</s>WYLIE: And respect -- I can hear you now.</s>QUEST: Got it --</s>WYLIE: And respectful of users rights, so --</s>QUEST: So with this month, is there an inevitability, is there an inherent contradiction between companies who make their money requiring and selling and manipulating data for commercial purposes and data privacy. Whether companies are inevitably going to be pushing the envelope to see just how much more data they can pass into many more different ways without breaking the rules.</s>WYLIE: Well, I mean, yes and no. This is why we need robust data protection rules and we need data regulators like the ICO empowered with both you know, the financial and human resources and also the legal resources to make sure that you know, companies like Facebook don't continue with their unlawful behavior. And let's be clear, the ICO has found that this behavior was unlawful, Facebook broke the law.</s>QUEST: Good to see you, sir, thank you for joining us, I much appreciate it on a busy night and joining us from London where I suspect you're on your trip -- on your troubles home, you'll see more sadness of people who - - now that England is out of the World Cup. We continue tonight, Donald Trump has taken his trade war to China with another level, now Beijing is not backing down. In a moment.