Washington, a Tough Place for Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.
LEMON: President Trump fires the acting attorney general for refusing to enforce his travel ban. And then he appoints another acting attorney general. And it's not even midnight here yet. So, everybody is back with me. Also joining us now, CNN contributor Emily Jane Fox, a staff writer for Vanity Fair. Thank you for joining the panel now. So, talk to us about where has -- we've heard so much about Jared Kushner being, you know, this important part of the administration, where has he been in all this?</s>EMILY JANE FOX, VANITY FAIR STAFF WRITER: He is an important part of the administration. He's been there in the West Wing. I think a lot of the trouble that Donald tends to get in. A source pointed out to me last weekend and other pointed out to me again this week, it tends to happen between sundown on Friday and sundown on Saturday. We've seen that now for both weekends where President Trump has been in office.</s>LEMON: Is that Alan Dershowitz?</s>GERGEN: He's celebrating the Jewish holiday.</s>LEMON: Is that -- yes.</s>FOX: Well, he's an observant Jew, he's an orthodox Jew who celebrates Shabbat with his sundown Friday to Sunday.</s>GERGEN: Come on.</s>FOX: Sundown Saturday, it happened two weeks in a row, and sources who are close to Jared and the Trump administration have noted this fact to me. And then quickly, the administration tends to walk things back or nullify things on Sundays.</s>LEMON: Yes. Who's that, is that David or Alan?</s>GERGEN: What's that -- this is David.</s>LEMON: Yes. Yes, because...</s>GERGEN: I just -- it's an interest -- it's an interesting theory about the Shabbat, celebrating the Shabbat as an observant, too. But didn't Donald Trump sign this before sundown on Friday?</s>FOX: He was on -- it was at 4.42 on Friday, sundown was at 5.08. So, all of the fallout happened during Shabbat. I think this, you know...</s>GERGEN: But the executive order was signed before Shabbat. He was there.</s>FOX: For sure. It's the mess that tends to happen from the big decisions...</s>LEMON: And this week an all of that in between.</s>FOX: Exactly, yes.</s>DERSHOWITZ: As the only one on this panel who has ever celebrated Shabbat with Jared Kushner. He was the -- he was the president with Chabad society in Harvard when I was -- when I was the faculty adviser, I can tell you, he is a source of wisdom, and I think of trying to influence Donald Trump in the right direction. I don't know whether the timing in the chronology works out exactly that way. But I do think that he will be a source of trying to be a check on Donald Trump.</s>LEMON: Yes.</s>DERSHOWITZ: Look, the real checks and balances are going to be the good republicans. I think we have to count more and more on Senator McCain and Senator Graham, and Congressman Paul Ryan. And they have the most important job in this administration. Because as somebody said previously, President Trump is determined to eliminate the formal structure of checks and balances. And if he gets two or three nominees to the Supreme Court, we really have all the branches on the republican side. And so, good republicans are really going to have to read President Kennedy's "Profiles in Courage," and stand up and be counted. So far, I think the senators have done a pretty good job. Paul Ryan's been a little disappointing.</s>LEMON: Well, I have to say I'm going to get Fareed in here, but I have to say Emily Jane Fox is reporting on the Kushner family, and Ivanka Trump has been spot on because that's your (Inaudible). So, if she says her sources are telling her that, she has some really good sources. But go on, you want to respond to what she said?</s>ZAKARIA: No. I just think it's important to remember that you know, Madison said...</s>LEMON: Of what she said, sorry.</s>ZAKARIA: Yes. Madison said, if men were angels no government would be necessary. The whole point of American government is you have institutional checks and balances, you don't hope that your son in law will be a, you know, a smart moderate guy who will -- who will moderate you. What you are looking for the institutional checks and balances, and to me, it's odd. Alan Dershowitz is right, that a few republican senators, a few republican senators have stood out, a number of them, as we all know, privately say, you know, are aghast by many of the things that are happening, but are not willing to publicly say it, and certainly the leadership, McConnell and Ryan have not done so. And you have an administration that continues to act as though it is a small, lonely minority battling the world. You know, a raid against the forces of -- the powerful forces of Iran. But let's remember, the Republican Party currently controls the presidency, the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court, the vast majority of state houses, and state governorships. To act like it is this, you know, embattled institution because the New York Times is reporting against it, I mean, come on, you know, they're running the country?</s>LEMON: Yes. Go ahead.</s>NAFTALI: I was just going to say that, you know, John Kennedy -- John F. Kennedy and Ted Sorenson write "Profiles in Courage" because they were not courageous against McCarthy, Joseph McCarthy. In a sense it was a way of saying trying to find in history, people who stood up to demagogues, we didn't have a good -- the United States went through a tough time in the 1950s, because people didn't stand up to hyper nationalists. The good news is that in the Nixon period, some great republican heroes like George Shultz and others said no to the president.</s>LEMON: Yes.</s>NAFTALI: And that's what -- that's the history people should be looking to now.</s>ZAKARIA: Right.</s>NAFTALI: Great Americans who said no, I will not audit these people. No, I'm not going to use the FBI illegally. No, I'm not going to prevent money from going to places that where there are demonstrations. That's the kind of leadership we need from republicans. They've got to remember that in the '70s, the best of them saved this country.</s>LEMON: Thank you, everyone. I appreciate it. Thank you. We'll be right back.