Questions Over Giuliani's Story In FBI's Clinton Case
COOPER: Donald Trump speaking in Hershey, Pennsylvania. A moment ago he made reference to Hillary Clinton's event in Cleveland saying he doesn't need Jay--z with him to carry today. Let's listen to Donald Trump more.</s>TRUMP: ... so many other things. We're going to have a great relationship with China. And I'm not angry at China. I'm angry at our leaders for allowing so many different countries to rip us off. That is who I'm angry with. All right, that will end. Does anybody have any doubt that's not - and we will have - honestly, we're going to have a better relationship with most of these countries. The reason is they don't respect us. They don't respect Obama. He's like a cheerleader, he's jumping up and down all over the place for Hillary. He shouldn't be doing that. He shouldn't be with her. He's got to be working. You know what? We're better off if he doesn't work. He'll only make bad deals we'll have to unscramble them. We're better off. We've received the first ever endorsement from our ICE and border patrol offices. 16,500 first time they've ever endorsed a candidate. It's just been reported that as a result of our open borders, violent cartels haven spread into all 50 of our states. More than 90 percent of those arrested are here illegally, thank you very much. They are killing innocent Americans, threatening schools and totally destroying communities. A government that will not protect its people is a government that is unworthy to lead. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton allowed thousands and thousands of the most dangerous and violent criminals to go free because their home countries wouldn't take them back. They bring them to their countries and very intelligently these countries are saying we don't want them murderers, drug kings, the gang members. So they bring them in and the country say we're not taking them back. Bring them back to your country. And she was head of State Department and she'd say bring them back. We don't want to - believe me. I promise you this. Never once will we be bringing anybody back. Never once, never once. And if they come back into our country, one year in jail, and if they come back a second time into our country, five years in jail and then 10 years and jail and they won't be coming back. They are not going to be coming back. Very few believe me when they know that. You know, what we do? We capture them over and over and over and we let them go. There have to be consequences, folks. There have to be consequences. Hillary supports totally open borders. There goes your country. And strongly supports sanctuary cities like San Francisco where Kate Steinle was murdered by an illegal immigrant. And this immigrant, this illegal immigrant was deported at least five times. Not going happen anymore folks. Thousands of Americans would be alive today if not for the open border policies of Obama and Clinton. This includes Americans like Josh Wilkerson whose mother I've gotten to know during the campaign. Josh was a student in a high school. Good student, good kid everybody loved him, who's murdered at the age of 17. He was tortured, strangled, beaten to death by the illegal immigrant. And then his body was set on fire. Everybody wanted this guy out. They wanted him incarcerated. In July, right here in Pennsylvania, an illegal immigrant with a previous deportation record, horrible record, raped a young child, the illegal immigrant had been arrested for aggravated assault on numerous occasions. But he was set free. He was set free. Everybody that knew him said, please, please don't set him free. He was set free by ...</s>COOPER: That's Donald Trump by now in battleground Pennsylvania. We brought you President Obama speaking for Hillary Clinton earlier. Wanted to bring you Donald Trump as well. Meantime, there's a controversy surrounding one of his leading surrogates tonight. The ranking members of the House and oversight and judiciary committees are calling for an investigation of the alleged FBI leaks to benefit the Trump campaign. Now this after Trump supporter former Mayor Rudy Giuliani went on "Fox & Friends" this morning. The congressman calling from investigation say Giuliani basically maybe had he got leaked information about the latest FBI review of e- mails potentially related to Hillary Clinton's survey before it became public on Friday. Take a look.</s>RUDY GIULIANI, (R) FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR: All I heard were former FBI agents telling me that there is a revolution going on inside the FBI and it is now at a boiling point. And ...</s>UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you had a general idea that something was coming.</s>GIULIANI: I had expected this for the last -- honestly to tell you the truth, I thought it was going to be about three or four weeks ago. I did nothing to get it out. I had no role in it. Did I hear about it? You're darn right I heard about it.</s>COOPER: Well Giuliani told Wolf Blitzer today that he had spoken with a lot of former FBI agents who were upset about Director James Comey's decision not to prosecute Clinton back in July but he didn't know about the new review that was announced on Friday.</s>GIULIANI: I've had no conversations with anyone inside the FBI. Have I -- I have heard for the last four months a tremendous amount of information about the consternation within the FBI, the fact that FBI agents were very unhappy with the way they were being treated by the Justice Department. That is all true. But none of it came from any current -- I haven't talked to a current FBI agent, as I told you, in the last -- gosh, at least 8 or 10 months</s>COOPER: Representatives Elijah Cummings and John Conyers are calling for investigation. Here is what Cummings said to Wolf.</s>REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, (D) HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: He made it clear, Wolf, that he was getting information from former FBI agents. Now Mr. Giuliani knows better. He know -- he's a federal -- he was a former federal prosecutor. You don't use the former prosecutors to launder information coming from the FBI. That's basically what he said. We don't have a system of justice here where you take, you know, innuendo and vague announcements and put people's careers and lives and livelihood in jeopardy. We just don't do that.</s>COOPER: Well back with the panel, joining us also is Trump supporter Matt Schlapp. Also on the phone, CNN law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes. Tom let's start with you as someone who worked for the FBI, do you believe there is a chance Mayor Giuliani was privy to information he shouldn't have been or do you think this could just be, you know, a situation where he was kind of boasting that he was in the loop.</s>TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I don't know Anderson, you know and I don't know Mr. Giuliani personally and have never met him. So I don't know one way or the other, you know, about that. I think that has to be for him to answer to. But interestingly on Thursday the day before that letter went out I was at a luncheon in downtown Washington with about 30 current and retired senior executives of the FBI. This is a society of former agents that meets about once a month at a particular restaurant in downtown Washington. And so here's a group of us there. We have the luncheon and the guest speaker. When the luncheon is over usually, you know, many of us congregate afterwards and socialize and talk. And I stayed about an hour longer talking to, as I said, many, many executives. And, you know, everything from what they are currently doing t to, you know, what do they think of some of these cases and obviously the most recent case of the director shutting down the e-mail case in July. But there was not one word spoken at all of anything concerning the possible reopening and then the actual reopening that was going to happen the next day. Not one of us had any clue about that. No one spoke of it. And interestingly on Friday I was at - having lunch with some people on a separate matter, not FBI personnel. And the restaurant we were in had a giant screen with CNN on it. And one of the people I was having lunch with looked up and said hey look the FBI is reopening the case on the e-mail. That is the first I heard of it. And the same a lot of shock interest from other agents that I've talked to and again retired executives that many I had seen the day before. Many I have seen in San Diego at a police convention earlier in the month. None of us had a clue. We were all equally shocked that this new information ...</s>COOPER: Tom when you -- when you hear Congressman Elijah Cummings and John Conyer Jr. calling and the inspector general of the Justice Department to launch investigation into, you know, these alleged leaks or possible leaks to Giuliani should investigation be launched in your opinion or is this just kind of the stuff that happens in the waning days of campaign?</s>FUENTES: Well you know I think that you can't compare this to the waning days of any campaign. I think that everything that's happened in this case and similar cases going back now several months, you know, go back to June when president Clinton gets on the plane with Loretta Lynch, attorney general, former President Clinton. You know we've never had an attorney general say, OK, with regard to the Clinton case I'll defer to the FBI's decision on that. That's never happened. We've had individual prosecutors, U.S. attorneys or federal prosecutors recuse themselves individually and say my assistant, the deputy attorney general or career prosecutors within the Department of Justice will be involved now in the decision-making. But never has the department basically advocated its responsibility to make the prosecuted decision and defer it to the FBI. And so many of us were not happy when that happened. And we felt back in July that when Director Comey made that press conference or press release I should say on the 5th of July, we thought this has never happened and it shouldn't have happened and that he should have done what he's always done, deferred this over or referred it to the completed investigation to the Department of Justice. And if Loretta Lynch decides that the janitor of DOJ is going to make the decision, so be it. But it shouldn't be from the FBI. And we felt from that point ...</s>COOPER: Interesting.</s>FUENTES: ... on this became a highly political situation.</s>COOPER: Interesting. Right, Tom I want to bring in the panel. Angela I know you talked to Congressman Cummings. Do you think there is should be investigation on this?</s>ANGELA RYE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Yeah. I think that they have raised a number of really good points. One of the thing they say in the letter is, "it is absolutely unacceptable for the FBI to leak -- and substantiate it. And in some cases false information about one presidential candidate to benefit the other", he goes on to say, "Leaking this information to former FBI officials as a conduit to the Trump campaign is equally intolerable." The issue is now lack of public trust. Congressman Cummings talked about that as well on the show with Wolf where he said listen if we can't trust our FBI, if we don't believe in the system, if we don't believe in the DOJ, we substantially compromise this. And that is above -- that's a bigger issue than partisanship. That's about being a good American.</s>COOPER: Matt ...</s>MATT SCHLAPP, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yeah, I just think is shocking to me. Which is they punted it in the summer, right? Then because the investigation is going on with Huma Abedin's husband, they find more information and because DOJ has recused themselves as Mr. Fuentes just explained, it puts the FBI director in a terrible position. The fact is this. There should have been a special council on this a very long time ago. It should have been kicked out of political realm. No public official is going make a good decision on this now. So what you actually have is evidence in those e-mails you have people leaking from the FBI ...</s>CARDONA: You don't know that.</s>SCHLAPP: But let me finish. You had people leaking from the FBI to reporters. Carl knows something about this. And, you know what, when a government agency between DOJ and FBI, they are in complete conflict within the FBI within the DOJ over this. That's why you have special councils and the reason why leaking is sometime is needed because there are times when the institution of government are just completely broken. And this is an example of that. And if somebody involved in that thinks it is in the public good to let information come out to the press why are we going to be ...</s>COOPER: We got to take a break, we're going to have more on this. We're going talk to the panel. There's a lot more ahead tonight for you do weigh on including Hillary Clinton sharing the first lady's mantra, seven key words "when they go low we go high" but is the Democratic nominee actually following that advice? That's next first. First Jay-Z at the Clinton event tonight.