Iraqi Forces Liberate Ramadi From ISIS.
KEILAR: Let's go back now to our top story. Iraq is claiming a major victory in the fight against ISIS. The Iraqi military said that it has retaken control of Ramadi which is about 70 miles from the city of Baghdad, recapturing a key government compound there in the center of the city. You may recall that Ramadi fell to ISIS earlier this year in what was seen as a major setback and embarrassment as well in this fight to contain the terror group. I want to talk it over now with CNN Military Analyst and Retired Major General, James Spider Marks and also joining us we have CNN Intelligence and Security Analyst, Bob Baer. So, Ramadi is really important, this is a route when you're talking about moving supplies from Jordan to Syria. How important is this in terms of a strategic value towards, I guess a victory or really pushing ISIS back even farther, Bob?</s>BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST: I think it's important. I mean, Ramadi was a base that ISIS could launch attacks on Baghdad. Remember last year, there was a concern that they might actually move on Baghdad and that offensive is stopped. So, taking Ramadi is very important. It's an important road that goes to Jordan and if you continue up toward Mosul, it is a key target. I think what we're seeing is the Islamic State is starting to fail, you know, at least losing ground which is very important for this war.</s>BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN NEWS ANCHOR: General, I wonder what you think about this and also, it seems in some ways listening to the Pentagon, they're being very careful in the how they acknowledge this in terms of the success. We know there are certain pockets of resistance still there in the city, but I just spoke with the spokesman to the coalition, and he seemed confident that this is going to hold, that the Iraqi military was going to be able to hold this, what do you think? * MAJ. GEN. JAMES "SPIDER" MARKS</s>CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Yes, Brianna, I heard your interview with Colonel Steve Warren, he obviously did a very good job, he's very topical on what's taking place. The key thing is right now is the heavy lifting begins. Retaking Ramadi is the first step, what has to happen now is governance. Water has to be turned back on. There has to be confidence that the Iraqi government can provide security, and then from that, everything else is a derivative. And it's very, very important that it's residents return to Ramadi, and they feel that they can with the degree of security, get about their lives. This is the toughest step that has to take place, next. And I agree with, Bob, that the next focus has to be on Mosul, that's an entirely different picture however much tougher.</s>KEILAR: How, yeah, why is that so much tougher? What are the challenges there that are so unique, general?</s>MARKS: Well, they've been in Mosul now over two years. Ramadi was a -- it fell about six months ago, Mosul now has its own identity that ISIS has been able to the create in terms of trying to provide for the citizens of Mosul good or bad, but they have created a form of governance up there that now has to be completely uprooted. It's also approximate to Syria, lines of support are easier to maintain up in Mosul from Syria. So, this becomes a much tougher task although the Kurdish fighters are capable and have demonstrated an ability to make success and achieve success in that part of the country. So, I would hope we could reinforce that.</s>KEILAR: I want to get your opinion, Bob of this CNN/ORC Poll that we've been saying released today. This is really interesting, it shows that Americans are split on the use of troops on the ground the fight terror groups. Now keeping in mind, this was a poll that was done before this headline coming out of Ramadi. But when you are looking at that, and you see this sort of inclination towards even in limited numbers, seeing more troops certainly Special Forces, what do you think ground troops? I mean, what do you think those numbers tell you about the appetite for greater involvement?</s>BAER: Well, Brianna, I think it's fairly simple in the sense that Americans don't trust the governments in Damascus or Baghdad or anywhere else there. Yes, our soldiers have never lost a battle in that part of the world, and we would win if we put ground troops but what do we get at the end? I mean, we did win in Iraq, a couple of times but what do you do about Baghdad? And as General Marks was saying, you know, governance is the key important issue here because if Baghdad does retake and hold Ramadi and they put in the government, they have to find the way to treat the Sunnis. That's a Sunni City, treat them well. They simply cannot revert back to their old sectarian ways of oppressing these people, otherwise this conflict this is going to go on for the next 30 years, and we have very limited influence on Baghdad. And I think Americans feel this. They just simply dot no trust the political solutions we've come up with trust the military but not the political solutions.</s>KEILAR: All right. We will see Bob Baer and General Mark, thank you so much to both of you. And on this next story that we are going to talk about, I certainly want to warn you that the picture we're about to show is rather graphic. And you remember, it was gut-wrenching, a gut-wrenching image of a 2-year-old Syrian refugee's lifeless body that was being carried away on the Turkish coast. This is a photo that sparked international sorrow and it became one of the most powerful symbols of the growing migrant crisis where over a million refugees had fled to Europe this year. Family members of this toddler Alan Kurdi, are expected to arrive in their new home in Canada today after what's been a very long and a very painful journey from Syria, the country that has been completely taken over by civil war. CNN's, Paula Newton comes to us live from now from Ottawa. So, who, Paula, of this family, who's expected to arrive there in Vancouver today?</s>PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, there Alan Kurdi, that little toddler, it is his uncle and his five cousins. And of course the arrival the arrival here in Canada is better sweet. They have been sponsored by Tima Kurdi who was the aunt of Alan. She have been trying to get her two brothers, their kids, any other family members that she could here to Canada. And Brianna she just said, "Look, the red tape was exhausting." And because of that, because they just weren't getting anywhere, that is why Alan Kurdi found himself on that, you know, dinghy where he died, his brother died, and his mother died. The survival is Abdullah Kurdi, his father. He decided not to come to Canada but Tima Kurdi, their aunt has managed to get her brother here with the five kids. And of course, it's bittersweet, Brianna, but at the same time it really does show what has changed in the last few months, a few short month since Alan Kurdi died and the fact that governments and quite frankly, public opinion changed in terms of trying to sponsor these refugees and get them here even with perhaps all of the Ts aren't crossed and the Is aren't dotted.</s>KEILAR: And this is an interesting case where you have a relative who's there in Canada and still facing as she put it, fierce red tape to try to bring her family members over. In general though Paula is Canada approaching this approaching this crisis differently than the US? Are we seeing some of the same public opinion that's really pressuring lawmakers there?</s>NEWTON: There's not any pressure on lawmakers, although there is a diversity of opinion. I mean, you struggle to say that even a majority of Canadians thinks that we should take in tens of thousands. Right now Canada's committed to taking in about 25,000 by the end February. Brianna, you have to lay it on the table, that's nowhere near as many Germany is taking in terms of proportion to population. Having said that, there are a lots of charities here Brianna that have opened, you know, their facilities, opened them to legal help, financial help, shelter, everything. And the refugees that have come in, a few thousands so far are getting a very warm welcome knowing what's coming ahead and that this will be, you know, a difficulty you try and integrate. Key thing here Brianna is in terms of security, the Canadian government has guaranteed that they've done their security screenings in other countries and that when they arrive here they will be permanent citizens of Canada, and they believe that this people have been screened and that it is secure for them to come to Canada and that they will settle well.</s>KEILAR: Yeah, giving some reassurances there. All right, Paula Newton for us in Ottawa. We do appreciate it. Coming up, two more shooting deaths intensifying the spotlight on an already troubled police department, we'll go live to Chicago next.