Latest Sexual Assault Accusation against Trump
E. JEAN CARROLL, ACCUSES PRESIDENT TRUMP OF ASSAULT: For a moment I was stunned, right, and then he tried to kiss me, which was repulse -- it was so hard (ph). But so my reaction was to laugh, to knock off the erotic whatever he had going on because a man, when you laugh at him, he's like oh, no, you know, he just went at it.</s>ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: To me, the fact what she describe -- what she describes is legally a rape, puts it in a different category than what we've heard before. Am I wrong?</s>MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It is certainly a more serious offense. It is a more serious violation of a woman and her sovereignty she has over her body for sure. There's -- there's just nothing to excuse this. This was not excusable. You can look at her, you can determine whether you think she's credible or not. We all have done this a lot over the last two years. And this woman seems to me, as a woman, you know, as a Republican, it -- the politics don't even matter because it's about a woman being violated. How this plays out in the news is entirely different. And -- and that's maybe what the next layer of this and how we talk about because there does seem to be a level of political immunity that is grant to the president of the United States. And it's not just this time.</s>CAMEROTA: And, Ana, I mean it's been described as a numbness. Is that what you think is going on?</s>ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I do. You know, and I -- look, I think the barrage of indecency coming out of that Oval Office and that White House is such that he has exhausted the ability of Americans to be outraged. And I think he is counting on that. And it is a very dangerous place for America to go. We cannot get numb, we cannot get used to the fact, we cannot just shrug our shoulders and say that's Trump being Trump and we've heard this before, we've heard these exact lines before. We cannot get normal. We cannot make normal what is not normal. The lies, the bullying, the attacks on the press, the sexual harassment allegations, now the rape allegation. This is not normal from a White House, from a president of the United States. And also, you know, Alisyn, in 2016, Democrats nominated a candidate who was burdened and saddened by the actions of her husband and sat their silently while Donald Trump, who had been accused, as you just said, by 15 women, showed up with the women that Bill Clinton had been accused by. Well, I hope that this time somebody does bring it up because decency does matter. Character does matter. Having somebody in the Oval Office with a moral compass does matter. And he should not be able to get off scot free from it just because people are used to it. We should refuse as Americans to be used to this.</s>CAMEROTA: Nancy, there's a crazy paradox that's happening right now, which is that the media, or the viewers, get more numb upon hearing each story. But in court, legally, if you brought in 15 women who all describe the same M.O. of the same defendant, wouldn't that be more effective?</s>NANCY ERIKA SMITH, ATTORNEY, SMITH MULLIN: The most effective thing is his own words. Rarely do I have a case where the perpetrators of sexual violence or sexual harassment is on tape admitting sexual violence and sexual harassment.</s>CAMEROTA: Describing his</s>M.O. SMITH: Describing exactly what is being described by these women. You never get -- that's called direct evidence. You win. He admits it. And for some reason there's a cult that Fox News has actually cultivated. The loudest voice in the room is just coming out and it showed it last night at the premier --</s>CAMEROTA: The Showtime series about Fox that went under Rogers Ailes' rein.</s>SMITH: And it shows how he actually planned to speak to people's grievances and feeling of other and feeling like the great old days of the white male macho world are fading and we have to bring it back, whether it's true or not. And that's what he's done. He literally has a cult of people who you can't talk to about reality. It's very scary.</s>HOOVER: You know, it used to be that hypocrisy was the unforgivable sin in politics. And now it's like you can't play politics unless you are a hypocrite by design. And I just -- as we talk about -- you know, I said, this isn't the first time a president has been immune from these kind of accusations. And conservatives rallied behind Juanita Broaddrick, who made very similar accusations against President Clinton, and they rallied behind her in the 1990s and they rallied behind her in 2016. And we have now -- I mean where is Steve Bannon, right? Where are all of the men who brought four of those women as political props? Do they believe that this woman, who has the same allegations, is equally as credible? This -- we also found out, as you were talking about Fox News, that "The New York Post" spiked the story about this woman and her credible accusations against the president because of the politics.</s>CAMEROTA: Because they're all</s>SMITH: Right. They asked me to be on Fox News today to talk about my client, Meredith Watson, who's accused a Democratic lieutenant governor of rape months ago. Why today? Because let's talk about a Democrat who's --</s>NAVARRO: You know what -- doing --</s>CAMEROTA: That's fascinating, isn't it? Yes, go ahead.</s>NAVARRO: When -- when Margaret and I were growing up in the Republican Party, one of the -- one of the legs of the conservative stool was conservative values, was Christian values, was family values, was social values. And we have seen that be turned on its head. We have seen people who are supposedly representatives and leaders of the evangelical movement, of the Christian right, embrace a president who we see time and time and time again represents everything that is against social values and family values and Christian values.</s>CAMEROTA: OK, so coming up, we're going to talk about whether 2019 is different than 2016. Much more from our panel, next.