{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3/events","html_url":"https://github.com/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3","id":56120728,"number":3,"title":"Technical and non-technical discussion without relying on proprietary github","user":{"login":"zetok","id":3148759,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3148759?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok","html_url":"https://github.com/zetok","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":10,"created_at":"2015-01-31T10:31:09Z","updated_at":"2015-02-02T05:06:55Z","closed_at":null,"body":"There is a need for something that would allow to notify people about Tox related things, in a way that would allow them to provide technical feedback. It would be nice to have a real ML for that kind of stuff.\r\n\r\nhttps://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/pull/1148#issuecomment-65878431 ← too bad, no ML\r\nhttps://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/issues/1009#issue-39806722 ← too bad, no ML, you get instead some proprietary shit that is for non-technical stuff, there's no way to get some feedback from all people who would want to subscribe to ML, etc..\r\n\r\n\r\nAllegedly there's ML for node maintainers, but from what I remember @TheLastProject had 0**(!)** mails received for few months. How exactly *telling* people that they don't have to maintain (update, etc.) their nodes at all benefits Tox?\r\n\r\nBeside being ded, that ML isn't for discussion.\r\n\r\nThere are many other reasons for real ML, many of which were mentioned/listed/etc.\r\n\r\nAlso, please keep in mind that largest software project that exists (Linux kernel) uses mailing lists, since that's the only thing that allows developers to coordinate their efforts sufficiently. You may want to consider that when thinking about future of Tox.\r\n\r\nPlease change that state of things.\r\n\r\nEDIT: ML = mailing list"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/comments/72407002","html_url":"https://github.com/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3#issuecomment-72407002","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/Tox/Tox-Foundation-Discussion/issues/3","id":72407002,"user":{"login":"zetok","id":3148759,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3148759?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok","html_url":"https://github.com/zetok","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zetok/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2015-02-02T05:06:55Z","updated_at":"2015-02-02T05:06:55Z","body":"@stqism \r\n\r\n>Normal people have Javascript enabled.\r\n\r\nI take that as a compliment :3\r\n\r\n====\r\n\r\n>1, no one would use it;\r\n\r\nHow do you know without trying?\r\n\r\n>2, I doubt the majority of our users use them.\r\n\r\nYes. It won't be for majority of users. Please remember that one size doesn't fit all. When Tox is taking over market share, most of users may be content with what's already available (I doubt it…), but there will be some for whom existing stuff won't be enough. Even if that was just 1%, it still is a huge amount of people.\r\n\r\nBut lets come back to how things are. Some of current users already said that they want mailing list.\r\nPlease note that mailing lists, when it comes to software, tend to attract the kind of people who would answer ***Yes please*** to a question ***Would you like to run this horribly broken experimental software that may burn your house and kill your cat?***  It may be just my opinion, but I think that Tox needs and will need those people as users too, considering that they will provide useful feedback when it comes to how technically well software is doing.\r\n\r\nCurrently there isn't even a way to ask about something like that properly. This is important too, since (IIRC) not so long ago @irungentoo wanted some people to test some stuff, and hardly anyone answered. Mailing list would help with that aspect too. Feedback wouldn't necessarily be instantaneous, but it would be of good quality, and from people who would want to help."}}