{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/issues/261","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/issues/261/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/issues/261/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/issues/261/events","html_url":"https://github.com/zijistark/EMF/issues/261","id":74077364,"number":261,"title":"Nerfing Free Infidel Revocation, mainly for Muslims?","user":{"login":"zijistark","id":6268890,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6268890?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark","html_url":"https://github.com/zijistark","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/zijistark/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/labels/help%20wanted","name":"help wanted","color":"159818"},{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/labels/idea","name":"idea","color":"fbca04"}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":3,"created_at":"2015-05-07T18:13:11Z","updated_at":"2015-05-08T02:55:54Z","closed_at":null,"body":"If you're a Muslim, *Free Infidel Revocation* is an extremely powerful law.  You also have access to the `muslim_invasion` CB, which is targeted against any other religion, and subjugates all rulers within a de jure kingdom-tier title (rather than unlands them like the other forms of *Invasion* can, if enough territory is occupied).\r\n\r\nI showed the fruits of how this can be exploitative when I posted an empire/AAR pic in the HIP forums of my rapid unification/conquest of Sicilia, Lombardia, Bourgogne, Carinthia, Croatia, and Bosnia without a single ruler, so much as even baron-tier, in my realm being non-Sunni.  I was able to manually revoke every single title post-kingdom-invasion, down to the baronies, and replace all their lords with bright young Sunnis willing to follow my every order.\r\n\r\nNote that the Muslims of a different, legit branch of Islam can't be freely revoked (at least I don't think), though, so it's mostly just this case in which it's really despicable.\r\n\r\nFor non-Muslims, if you can manage to convert to a heresy and beat the faction to lower CA that will arise (which may very well be reasonable if the heresy was already taking root for awhile in the realm), this is also mega-powerful.\r\n\r\nThough I don't mind players doing either of these things and exercising their CA, I still see the situation as in need of balance.\r\n\r\nWhy?  Because infidel rulers almost never say, \"No\" to the \"Revoke Title\" diplo-action, and if by some chance they do, you can handle them one-by-one in pathetic revolts.  From experience, they never say \"No\" if they were subjugated in a Muslim Invasion (probably due in part to the subjugation opinion modifier).\r\n\r\n- What should we do about this?  We have the option of making *FIR* only available at *High Crown Authority*, but I'm not sure how I like that.\r\n\r\n- We can perhaps override the diplo-action accept/decline on_actions for title revocation and at least add a stacking opinion malus-- only when there was no other righteous reason to revoke beyond being an infidel-- to all [remaining] rulers in the realm that are considered infidels to the revoker.  This would at least probably make most mass revocations stop going smoothly after the first 3-5 titles hijacked.\r\n\r\n- Other ideas? Discussion? Interest in implementation?"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/issues/comments/100082885","html_url":"https://github.com/zijistark/EMF/issues/261#issuecomment-100082885","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zijistark/EMF/issues/261","id":100082885,"user":{"login":"escalonn","id":2515013,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2515013?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn","html_url":"https://github.com/escalonn","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/escalonn/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2015-05-08T02:55:54Z","updated_at":"2015-05-08T02:55:54Z","body":"Isn't it possible to have other vassals join the refused-revocation revolt? I know it is at least when the revocation is tyrannical. Ideally, the moment you tried to revoke one of the infidel titles, every one of them would revolt en masse. If it's possible to mod, this would be nicer than the rapid CA faction joining, since that doesn't even have the desired effect when CA is above medium. Plus, it gives you to option to tolerate the infidel vassals for the time being, or indefinitely, and that's pretty nice if you can't afford to deal with the revolt you should be facing for revoking."}}