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[lxpu...@gmail.com](https://code.google.com/u/115417461610980138677/) on September 20, 2012 09:28:19_\n\nThe @-line attribute does not allow to specify rest on ledger lines, at least for rest below the lowest staff line (@line \\< 1)\n\n_Original issue: 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[lxpu...@gmail.com](https://code.google.com/u/115417461610980138677/) on September 21, 2012 07:19:37_\n\nA dot is not associated with a note but you would expect them to move when changing the clef. The idea of pitchloc and octloc is indeed to capture pitch and octave, but not to call them pitch and octave since the dots (and rests) do not have a pitch and an octave.\r\n\r\nThe general idea is to encode the position of dots and rests in the same way we do it for notes, that is according to the clef (and not just graphically according to the staff line).\r\n\r\nAn example with rests is actually better: in mensural notation, the position of the rest is not (only) a visualisation question. For example, two rests on the same line do not have the same meaning as two rests on two different lines. That is, it is impossible to interpret the encoding (rhythmically) without knowing the position of the rests, exactly in the same way it is not possible to interprete a note without knowing its pitch. \r\n\r\nNow MEI could encode notes with @staffloc, and we would have everything we need. It is only a processing question. With notes with @staffloc, it would be more like a graphical encoding where it is left to the processor to resolve the pitch by looking at the clef. Easy, this is feasible. MEI goes the other way around, so my point (pun!) is that we should encode all elements (notes, rests, dots) in the same way. This is why is suggest to have a @pitchloc and @-octloc for non-sounding elements. Do you understand what I mean? I guess the topic has been discussed already, but maybe not in the light of mensural notation. And maybe we can limit it to it?"}}