{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488/events","html_url":"https://github.com/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488","id":88314880,"number":488,"title":"Develop capability to properly cite content for which HydroShare is not the primary source","user":{"login":"dtarb","id":3456833,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3456833?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb","html_url":"https://github.com/dtarb","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dtarb/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":1,"created_at":"2015-06-15T04:46:09Z","updated_at":"2015-06-15T16:31:09Z","closed_at":null,"body":"This issue addresses the problem discussed in writing the resource data model paper where the SWMM model has been included in HydroShare but without direct acquiescence of the original developers.  This model appears to be public domain so this is allowed, but proper attribution and citation is needed.\r\n\r\nI suggest the following\r\n- Resources may have an attribute \"Replicated from primary source\".  If this attribute is set then they need a \"primary source\" relationship that gives the citation for the primary source. \r\n- The How to cite display on the landing page should be changed to indicate the primary source citation\r\n- The rights statement should replicated rights from the primary source (the owner will have to do this)\r\n- The owner should be labeled as: \"Shared by:\"  denoting that for these types of resources the owner is really just sharing the resource.  They do not own it in any rights sense.  \r\n\r\nWith these changes, I think we would avoid the potential misunderstanding from posting a resource from another primary source on HydroShare.\r\n\r\nFollowing is the email discussion related to this for the record.\r\n\r\nI think that in the actions with respect to SWMM we should not think of ourselves as system administrators but as system users.  This changes the perspective a bit.  Sure we are developers of the functionality, but when it comes to posting resources we are using the system we developed.  As a user of any publishing system it is awkward to publish someone elses work.  That is the main issue here.  There are both legal, research ethics and social questions.  Legally SWMM is likely a US government work and in the public domain. So publishing it in HydroShare should not be a problem.  But we should fully confirm this and be able to document this.  Ethically and socially I am uncomfortable publishing something like this totally unchanged where the intellectual ownership rests with others, without their knowledge or concurrence. \r\n\r\nThe things that worry me are things like\r\nHow to Cite\r\nRossman, L., T.Schade, D.Sullivan, R.Dickinson, C.Chan, E.Burgess (2015). Storm Water Management Model (SWMM), HydroShare, http://www.hydroshare.org/resource/2cddae40e9594c21b947fdbbe4225439\r\n\r\nThis is currently on our site.  However the primary authoritative source for SWMM seems to be\r\n\r\nhttp://www2.epa.gov/water-research/storm-water-management-model-swmm.\r\n\r\nIf I was writing a paper that used SWMM to do some research I would likely cite it\r\nUS EPA (2015), Storm Water Management Model (SWMM), http://www2.epa.gov/water-research/storm-water-management-model-swmm, accessed 6/6/2015. \r\n\r\nNow I know that you can get to this from HydroShare via the resource specific website link (that is not a link) but that is a bit circuitous. \r\n\r\nHydroShare does have the concept of referencing things outside of HydroShare.  It cannot be a closed system.  So  is there an option is to reference the SWMM model on the EPA site and only publish our model instance which is clearly our  work.\r\n"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/comments/112128815","html_url":"https://github.com/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488#issuecomment-112128815","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/hydroshare/hydroshare/issues/488","id":112128815,"user":{"login":"horsburgh","id":3485902,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3485902?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh","html_url":"https://github.com/horsburgh","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/horsburgh/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2015-06-15T16:31:09Z","updated_at":"2015-06-15T16:31:09Z","body":"Just a couple of considerations here.  A user may have put a copy of SWMM in HydroShare as a Model Program resource to reflect the particular version used for an analysis - effectively freezing it in time.  If our citation points back to some other location, we have no guarantee that the other location will always be available or that the content will not change. In this case, the citation needs to be for the frozen content in HydroShare.  Links to other locations/versions of the content frozen in HydroShare should be expressed in the \"Source\" or \"Relations\" elements in the metadata.\r\n\r\nIn the case where the primary source citation for a HydroShare resource is changed to point at another system, this should be considered a \"reference\" resource where we have no control over what happens on the other end of the referenced URL.  \r\n\r\nUsers need to know the difference.\r\n"}}