title: scelta film cineforum

text:
"F-R" <
frarosa...@mac.com
> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:1fbd8ra.1cc9gvwea4ir0N%frarosa...@mac.com...
> KeaToN <
ludr...@tin.it
> wrote:
>
> > si potrebbe anche osare un po'
> > di piů, o no?
>
> in che senso?
>
> ti č piaciuto il favoloso mondo di amelie?
> ho letto una recensione negativa di kaplan!!
> di lui mi fido
> tu che dici?
Che se ti fidi di lui sei nei casini!?
L


title: scelta film cineforum

author: Giuseppe Argentieri

text:
"F-R" <
frarosa...@mac.com
> wrote in message
news:1fbd1cb.1synyv11xj7l1uN%frarosa...@mac.com

Ti consiglio caldamente di cercare qualcos'altro nelle sale della tua
città, noleggiare una vhs(o un dvd), leggere un libro, uscire con gli
amici o con una ragazza/o ecc.
Ciao
[Giuseppe]
--
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title: scelta film cineforum

author: F-R

text:
Giuseppe Argentieri <
arg...@libero.it
> wrote:
> Ti consiglio caldamente di cercare qualcos'altro nelle sale della tua
> città, noleggiare una vhs(o un dvd), leggere un libro, uscire con gli
> amici o con una ragazza/o ecc.
sono entrambi brutti i film?
li hai visti?
ciao


title: Presentazione Postmind

author: Postmind

text:
Sono nuovo del gruppo anche se vi seguo da un pņ di tempo.
Un salutone a tutti


title: Presentazione Postmind

author: Francesco Rosano

text:
Postmind <
post...@email.it
> wrote:
> Sono nuovo del gruppo anche se vi seguo da un pņ di tempo.
> Un salutone a tutti
benvenuto
--
Francesco Rosano
frances...@iaciners.org
www.iaciners.org


title: Presentazione Postmind

text:
 (Francesco Rosano ) ha scritto:
>benvenuto
Grazie Francesco per il benvenuto.
Questa volta il saluto è "personale".
Bye


title: Presentazione Postmind

author: Holden

text:
Postmind <
post...@email.it
>,  hai scritto:
> Grazie Francesco per il benvenuto.
> Questa volta il saluto è "personale".
siete parenti?
--
Holden
hol...@iaciners.org
"lo Stanley Kubrick dei tacchinatori"
"spero per loro che sia estate"
(succi, a metà di "the dreamers")


title: Presentazione Postmind

text:
Il Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:17:50 +0100, Holden
<
Aholde...@iaciners.org
> ha scritto:
>siete parenti?
Da quello che mi risulta no.....
Cmq Ciao Holden
o č meglio non salutarti per non allargare la "parentela"....
:-))


title: Presentazione Postmind

text:
Postmind <
post...@email.it
>,  hai scritto:
> o è meglio non salutarti per non allargare la "parentela"....
> :-))
ma no, era solo lo stile di scrittura... ;-)



title: Presentazione Postmind

text:
>ma no, era solo lo stile di scrittura... ;-)
Ora sono più tranquillo :-))))
e quindi....
CIAO HOLDEN


title: Presentazione Postmind

author: Gwilbor

text:
Benvenuto!
--
"Strano gioco. L'unica mossa vincente è non giocare"
Gwilbor
gwilbor(at)
email.it


title: Presentazione Postmind

author: amelie

text:
> Sono nuovo del gruppo anche se vi seguo da un pņ di tempo.
> Un salutone a tutti
BenvenutoPostmind,
anche io ho iniziato a scrivere da poco dopo aver fatto un po'
l'osservatrice. E' un'ottimo modo per farsi un'idea del ng senza essere
subito invadenti.
A presto,
Amelie


title: Presentazione Postmind

text:
amelie <
amel...@libero.it
>,  hai scritto:
> anche io ho iniziato a scrivere da poco dopo aver fatto un po'
> l'osservatrice. E' un'ottimo modo per farsi un'idea del ng senza essere
> subito invadenti.
e venire al raduno pare brutto? ;)
--
Holden
hol...@iaciners.org
"lo Stanley Kubrick dei tacchinatori"
"ma il planetario è in tutte le città?"
"... in tutte le città dove c'è un planetario" (fritz)


title: Presentazione Postmind

text:
La buona volontà, giuro, che c'è. Purtroppo la distanza (dall'estremo sud
calabrese), che mi separa dal raduno, è circa 1000 Km  più grande.
Divertitevi anche per me.... :-))))
"Holden" <
Aholde...@iaciners.org
> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:MPG.1a101c28d...@news.individual.net...



title: hanna

author: karamazov

text:
il fatto di avere una trama inconsistente
(hanna deve andare dal punto A al punto B
scontrandosi praticamente a mani nude contro
gente cazzutissima e armata fino ai denti)
non sarebbe un problema.
Rambo ha una trama inconsistente ma è un grande
film.
Hanna non lo è, la differenza sta principalmente nella cura
delle varie situazioni in cui si trova il protagonista
e nel modo in cui ne esce.
anche i dialoghi, per quanto basilari, giocano
un ruolo importante.
Wright ha un buon occhio fotografico, una buona
cura nelle scenografia e nella costruzione delle
inquadrature, nonchè nella scelta delle musiche,
ma è piuttosto carente in quanto a direzione.
L'idea di fare una versione moderna delle favole dei Grimm
(e per chi non avesse colto i riferimenti si pensa
bene di ribattezzare Parco Grimm un vecchio parco
dei divertimenti abbandonato della DDR), non era
neanche male, c'è proprio tutto, cappuccetto
rosso nel bosco e il lupo cattivo (di cartapesta)
da cui esce la straga cattiva-matrigna, hansel
e gretel in vacanza in marocco, con un excursus
collodiano grazie alla fata dai capelli turchini.
anche il concetto dell'assassino senza rimorso
in fondo è sfruttato poco dal cinema, e qua si ammazza
molto (cioè, i "buoni" ammazzano molto gente innocente
senza eccessivi problemi).
però manca il collante, una sequenza di avvenimenti
che avesse un senso e non fosse banale, mentre
ci ritroviamo una serie di "quadri", anche piacevoli
da vedere, ma in fondo assemblati in modo piuttosto
approssimativo.
punto a favore: non è la solita americanata.
punto a sfavore: manca la perizia tipicamente americana
di maneggiare il genere (aridatece Ted Kotcheff)


title: hanna

author: Radagast

text:
karamazov ha usato la sua tastiera per scrivere :
> però manca il collante, una sequenza di avvenimenti
> che avesse un senso e non fosse banale, mentre
> ci ritroviamo una serie di "quadri", anche piacevoli
> da vedere, ma in fondo assemblati in modo piuttosto
> approssimativo.
Esatto, questo è il problema principale. Ogni scena del film sembra
avere una sua identità (un po' è azione, un po' è thriller, un po' è
fiaba, un po' è fantascienza ecc.) ma queste scene sono tutte slegate
tra loro e il regista non si decide mai a puntare decisamente in una
direzione precisa. Al punto che i due siparietti comici (la scena del
bacio e quella dei conigli a colazione) stonano talmente tanto da
lasciare interdetti. Se Wright avesse avuto il coraggio di puntare di
più sull'aspetto fiabesco, almeno sarebbe stato molto più facile
sorvolare sulle varie assurdità della trama... Il film di per sé non è
malaccio, ma questi difetti fanno pensare a un'ottima occasione
mancata.
Ah, Wright non perde il vizio dei piani sequenza: ce n'è uno anche qui,
del tutto inutile e piuttosto breve.


title: hanna

author: Spirits

text:
Il 22/08/2011 23:13, karamazov ha scritto:
> il fatto di avere una trama inconsistente
> (hanna deve andare dal punto A al punto B
> scontrandosi praticamente a mani nude contro
> gente cazzutissima e armata fino ai denti)
> non sarebbe un problema.
> Rambo ha una trama inconsistente ma è un grande
> film.
concordo su tutto, ho quotato la parte su Rambo perchè il tema della
solitudine e dell'emarginazione, che è una parte rilevante nel film di
Stallone, in Hanna è completamente stravolta: mi sembra poco credibile
che le persone che vivono isolate abbiano l'esigenza di scoprire e
condividere delle esperienze con altre persone, o almeno non lo fanno in
modo curioso e intraprendente come fa Hanna.
Tutta la parte del viaggio con la famiglia mi è sembrata fuori luogo, un
pretesto per aggiungere elementi e dialoghi che risultano poco attinenti
ad un personaggio che dovrebbe, per natura, essere schivo e affrontare
con paura e diffidenza ogni nuovo incontro.


title: hanna

text:
Radagast ha spiegato il 23/08/2011 :
> il regista non si decide mai a puntare decisamente in una direzione precisa.
è un po' un difetto comune di molto cinema inglese recente,
lo stesso ritchie ci casca spesso.
sembra un desiderio esagerato di volersi smarcare
dal modello a stelle e striscie, a volte con buoni
risultati (vedi snatch e lock&stock ) spesso
con una autoreferenzialità eccessiva.
 Se Wright avesse
> avuto il coraggio di puntare di più sull'aspetto fiabesco,
ecco, invece questo è un gran bel filmino, sul tema cappuccetto rosso
in chiave moderna:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116361/
> Ah, Wright non perde il vizio dei piani sequenza: ce n'è uno anche qui, del
> tutto inutile e piuttosto breve.
me la son già dimenticata, quale? i containers?


title: hanna

text:
Dopo dura riflessione, Spirits ha scritto :

però, al di là delle similitudini della trama, mi pare che
qui il tema di fondo sia diverso, più che la solitudine
dell'emarginato, il rapporto padri-figli e il momento
in cui i secondi si staccano dai primi per esplorare il mondo
con tutte le sue insidie. il tutto ovviamente in chiave
ultra esagerata ed esasperata.
quindi le varie esperienze di hanna, il rapporto coi ragazzi,
l'amicizia, l'esplorazione del mondo etc.
se poi il tutto come giustamente osservi appare forzato
mi sembra più da attribuire a carenze di scrittura
che alla incoerenza del personaggio.


title: hanna

text:
karamazov scriveva il 25/08/2011 :
>> Ah, Wright non perde il vizio dei piani sequenza: ce n'è uno anche qui, del
>> tutto inutile e piuttosto breve.
>
> me la son già dimenticata, quale? i containers?
No, è la scena in cui Eric Bana, arrivato a Berlino, esce dall'autobus,
attraversa la stazione, scende nella metropolitana e lì viene attaccato
dagli uomini della Wiegler. Credo che tutto il piano sequenza abbia il
solo scopo di far notare che la scazzottata è stata girata in un'unica
azione. Un virtuosismo fine a sé stesso, dunque.


title: hanna

text:
Il 25/08/2011, Radagast ha detto :
>
> No, è la scena in cui Eric Bana, arrivato a Berlino, esce dall'autobus,
> attraversa la stazione, scende nella metropolitana e lì viene attaccato dagli
> uomini della Wiegler. Credo che tutto il piano sequenza abbia il solo scopo
> di far notare che la scazzottata è stata girata in un'unica azione. Un
> virtuosismo fine a sé stesso, dunque.
ah, ok, questo oltretutto è uno degli stereotipi del cinema più
ridicoli, credo derivato dai film di arti marziali giapponesi,
dove il buono è circondato dai cattivi i quali, anzichè riempirlo
di mazzate tutti assieme si fanno prendere a sberle educatamente
uno alla volta. è abbastanza rappresentativa del film in effetti.
però vedo che questa situazione
viene riproposta da 50 anni senza che nessuno si lamenti
quindi magari ha ragione SAP e sono io troppo esigente.


title: hanna

text:
karamazov <
ka...@virgilio.it
> writes:
> Il 25/08/2011, Radagast ha detto :
>>
>> No, è la scena in cui Eric Bana, arrivato a Berlino, esce dall'autobus,
>> attraversa la stazione, scende nella metropolitana e lì viene attaccato
>> dagli uomini della Wiegler. Credo che tutto il piano sequenza abbia il solo
>> scopo di far notare che la scazzottata è stata girata in un'unica azione. Un
>> virtuosismo fine a sé stesso, dunque.
>
> Ah, ok, questo oltretutto è uno degli stereotipi del cinema più ridicoli,
> credo derivato dai film di arti marziali giapponesi,
> dove il buono è circondato dai cattivi i quali, anzichè riempirlo
> di mazzate tutti assieme si fanno prendere a sberle educatamente
> uno alla volta. è abbastanza rappresentativa del film in effetti.
> Però vedo che questa situazione
> viene riproposta da 50 anni senza che nessuno si lamenti
> quindi magari ha ragione SAP e sono io troppo esigente.
Una roba che se fatta bene sarebbe l'applicazione dei principi che
Musashi esponeva nel Libro dei Cinque Anelli. Ma molto spesso invece è
coreografata in maniera approssimativa e nascosta con un montaggio
ingannevole.
--
   Quello spettacolo non mi piacque fino a quando non lo vidi in una
   diversa versione.  Il sipario era alzato.
   		-- Groucho Marx


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

author: Simo

text:
... a Corrado Meraviglia che mi fa ridere anche dopo giornate di duro
lavoro.


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

author: corrado meraviglia

text:
Simo wrote :
> ... a Corrado Meraviglia che mi fa ridere anche dopo giornate di duro
> lavoro.
figurati, io sono a casa influenzato, almeno mi rendo utile in qualche modo.
Corrado
--
www.francobagongo.it
come le mosche nel miele
affoghiamo, felici e contenti
mangiamo e restiamo seduti
davanti alle nostre emozioni

                   (fluxus)


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

author: mAx

text:
"Simo" <
li...@libero.it
> wrote in message
> ... a Corrado Meraviglia che mi fa ridere anche dopo giornate di duro
> lavoro.
Un'altra sedotta e abbandonata dal Wonder Boy... ;)
Ciao,
mAx
--
- Thank you for curing me of my ridiculous obsession with love.
("Moulin Rouge")


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

author: fede

text:
mAx wrote:
> > ... a Corrado Meraviglia che mi fa ridere anche dopo giornate di duro
> > lavoro.
>
> Un'altra sedotta e abbandonata dal Wonder Boy... ;)
LOL
Da che arguisci si tratti di "un'altra"?


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
"fede" <
fe...@cinemah.com
> wrote in message
> Da che arguisci si tratti di "un'altra"?
Mah... Fiducia nel soggetto. E' sempre la stessa?



title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
mAx wrote:
> > Da che arguisci si tratti di "un'altra"?
>
> Mah... Fiducia nel soggetto. E' sempre la stessa?
Magari e' sempre lo stesso. (;


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
"fede" <
fe...@cinemah.com
> wrote in message
> Magari e' sempre lo stesso. (;
Ohi!!! Corradinooo!!! Ma potevi dirmelo a Reggio!!! E siamo stati cosi'
vicini per cosi' tanto tempo!!! Sciocchina!!!



title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
mAx wrote :
> "fede" <
fe...@cinemah.com
> wrote in message
>
>> Magari e' sempre lo stesso. (;
>
> Ohi!!! Corradinooo!!! Ma potevi dirmelo a Reggio!!! E siamo stati cosi'
> vicini per cosi' tanto tempo!!! Sciocchina!!!
ti diro' con secchezza quello che fede suggeriva: simo e' un maschio.
Corrado


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
On 8-02-2002 14:17, "mAx" wrote:
>> Magari e' sempre lo stesso. (;
>
> Ohi!!! Corradinooo!!! Ma potevi dirmelo a Reggio!!! E siamo stati cosi'
> vicini per cosi' tanto tempo!!! Sciocchina!!!
Che c'entra il Meraviglia? Non e' sul suo, di sesso, che ti sto instillando
dei dubbi.
--
"nemmeno Lucas puo' toglierci i sogni sognati allora, ma
beato chi comincia adesso e ha per guida Peter Jackson."
(Alberto Farina)


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
"fede" <
fe...@cinemah.it
> wrote in message
> Che c'entra il Meraviglia? Non e' sul suo, di sesso, che ti sto
instillando
> dei dubbi.
Si', ho capito (e cosi' rispondo anche al Wonder)... Presupponevo
contraccambiasse i sentimenti, tutto qui.
Quindi sei ancora libero tesoro? :*



title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
mAx wrote :
>
> Quindi sei ancora libero tesoro? :*
posso dare solo nome e numero di matricola.
Corrado


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
"corrado meraviglia" <
c.mera...@ngi.it
> wrote in message
> posso dare solo nome e numero di matricola.
eheheheh!
Nei tuoi film la devi mettere questa ironia, NEI TUOI FIIIIIILLLLMMMM!!! ;D



title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
"mAx" <
m...@cad.it
> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:a3vvpk$1bo0uf$2...@ID-80869.news.dfncis.de...
>
> Un'altra sedotta e abbandonata dal Wonder Boy... ;)
>
Basta con queste scene di gelosia! Anche tu a volte mi fai ridere,
sciocchino.


title: [Semi ot] Un grazie

text:
"Simo" <
li...@libero.it
> wrote in message
> Basta con queste scene di gelosia! Anche tu a volte mi fai ridere,
> sciocchino.
#^__^#



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title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: Moritz Benedikt

text:
In queste ore drammatiche in cui si decide il futuro del cinema italiano, in
queste ore drammatiche di attesa, di speranza, di paura, in queste ore
drammatiche che temprano i cuori degli uomini, il pensiero torna indietro ad
un passato eroico, torna alla Parigi del 1952...
Charles Chaplin ormai praticamente bandito dagli USA giunge a Parigi accolto
da folle festanti; riceve la Legion d'Onore dal Presidente della Repubblica
ed è l'idolo di tutti i circoli intellettuali di sinistra e non.
Solo un piccolo gruppo di giovani intellettuali anarchici, aderenti al
movimento letterario Lettrista di Isidore Isou, osano contestare l'idolo del
momento. Il loro volantino non risparmia aggettivi.
"Basta Piedi Piatti.
(....) Poichè ti sei identificato con i deboli e gli oppressi attaccarti
voleva dire attaccare i deboli e gli oppressi - ma nell'ombra del tuo
bastone da passeggio si può già distinguere il manganello del poliziotto. Tu
sei 'quello-che-porge-l'altra-guancia' - l'altra guancia del tuo culo - ma
per noi, i giovani ed i belli, la sola risposta è la rivoluzione (...) Va a
dormire, insetto fascista (...) Sbrigati a morire: ti promettiamo un
funerale di prima di classe. Speriamo che il tuo ultimo film sia davvero
l'ultimo.Le luci dei flash hanno sciolto il trucco del cosiddetto grande
comico - e rivelato il vecchio sinistro e corrotto. Va a casa, Mister
Chaplin"
Le polemiche scossero la Rive Gauche; Isou sconfessò i suoi troppo ardenti
seguaci, i quali lo scaricarono. "Noi crediamo che la più urgente
espressione di libertà sia la distruzione degli idoli, specie quelli che
pretendono di rappresentare la libertà (...) Abbandoniamo i nostri critici
nella folla dei facilmente offesi".
Era quella la prima notorietà di Guy-Ernest Debord, l'atto di nascita del
Situazionismo, la corrente marxista più intelligente del Dopoguerra e quella
giunta, nel Maggio del 1968, più vicina al successo.
Vedremo.


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: Vito

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote in message
8lkqmu$kqf$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
>ma
> per noi, i giovani ed i belli, la sola risposta è la rivoluzione
(...) Va a
> dormire, insetto fascista (...) Sbrigati a morire: ti promettiamo
un
> funerale di prima di classe. Speriamo che il tuo ultimo film sia
davvero
> l'ultimo.
>Noi crediamo che la più urgente
> espressione di libertà sia la distruzione degli idoli
Non notate una contraddizione?
vito


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: Nicola de Angeli

text:
"Moritz Benedikt" <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote:
>Era quella la prima notorietà di Guy-Ernest Debord, l'atto di nascita del
>Situazionismo, la corrente marxista più intelligente del Dopoguerra e quella
>giunta, nel Maggio del 1968, più vicina al successo.
Miiiii... se quelli erano i piu' intelligenti, chissa' gli altri.
Ciao
Nicola


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Nicola de Angeli <
hob...@tin.it
> wrote in message
39912255...@news.tin.it...

But seriously, folks....
Il mio interesse per le varie correnti marxiste è vicino allo zero e nemmeno
il mio attuale fastidio per l'ortodossia
liberale-liberista-libertaria-libertina lo ha fatto aumentare.
Ma i Situazionisti mi affascinano. Sono intelligenti sul serio: vanno fino
in fondo, con esiti intellettualmente e moralmente - per me - ripugnanti, ma
è un viaggio che vale la pena di seguire. In pù, Debord, Vaneigem,
Sanguinetti, scrivono da Dio.
La chiassata che ho ricordato non era veramente più di una chiassata. Ma lo
sforzo (è uno sforzo) di leggere La Società dello Spettacolo (1967) di
Debord - e magari vedere il film - ne vale la pena.
'Tutta la vita delle società nelle quali predominano le condizioni moderne
di produzione si presenta come un'immensa accumulazione di spettacoli. Tutto
ciò che era direttamente vissuto si è allontanato in una rappresemtazione'
Moritz Benedikt
Qoelet (Ecclesiaste) 7, 15-17


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: *solaar*

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote in message
8lloek$5go$1...@pegasus.tiscalinet.it...
>
> Nicola de Angeli <
hob...@tin.it
> wrote in message
> 39912255...@news.tin.it...
> > "Moritz Benedikt" <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Era quella la prima notorietà di Guy-Ernest Debord, l'atto di nascita
del
> > >Situazionismo, la corrente marxista più intelligente del Dopoguerra e
> quella
> > >giunta, nel Maggio del 1968, più vicina al successo.
> >
> > Miiiii... se quelli erano i piu' intelligenti, chissa' gli altri.
> >
> But seriously, folks....
> Il mio interesse per le varie correnti marxiste è vicino allo zero e
nemmeno
> il mio attuale fastidio per l'ortodossia
> liberale-liberista-libertaria-libertina lo ha fatto aumentare.
> Ma i Situazionisti mi affascinano. Sono intelligenti sul serio: vanno fino
> in fondo, con esiti intellettualmente e moralmente - per me - ripugnanti,
ma
> è un viaggio che vale la pena di seguire. In pù, Debord, Vaneigem,
> Sanguinetti, scrivono da Dio.
> La chiassata che ho ricordato non era veramente più di una chiassata. Ma
lo
> sforzo (è uno sforzo) di leggere La Società dello Spettacolo (1967) di
> Debord - e magari vedere il film - ne vale la pena.
certo, come se lo vendessero in tute le videoteche d'Italia...
io non sono d'accordo su chaplin, però sono d'accordo su quello che dici sui
situazionisti, è stata una delle correnti sotterranee più attive e
interessanti della controcultura del secolo scorso, tra le altre cose
secondo alcuni il punk è nato da lì, con tutto quello che ne è conseguito.
però il film di Guy Debord, dove cazzo lo potrò mai trovare??? tu dove l'hai
visto? mi faresti una mini recensione por favor... ricordo un articolo forse
su cineforum di qualche mese fa, però non avendo visto il film non l'ho
neanche letto...
ciao
stefano


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: nico pisanelli

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote:
> Era quella la prima notorietà di Guy-Ernest Debord, l'atto di nascita del
> Situazionismo, la corrente marxista più intelligente del Dopoguerra e quella
> giunta, nel Maggio del 1968, più vicina al successo.
> Vedremo.
fammi capire, la corrente piu' intelligente esordi' con questo attacco a
Chaplin?
e la corrente piu' cretina?
N.


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
*solaar* <
ste...@plion.it
> wrote in message
qmwf5.49803$sE5.5...@news.infostrada.it...
>
> > But seriously, folks....
> > Il mio interesse per le varie correnti marxiste è vicino allo zero e
> nemmeno
> > il mio attuale fastidio per l'ortodossia
> > liberale-liberista-libertaria-libertina lo ha fatto aumentare.
> > Ma i Situazionisti mi affascinano. Sono intelligenti sul serio: vanno
fino
> > in fondo, con esiti intellettualmente e moralmente - per me -
ripugnanti,
> ma
> > è un viaggio che vale la pena di seguire. In pù, Debord, Vaneigem,
> > Sanguinetti, scrivono da Dio.
> > La chiassata che ho ricordato non era veramente più di una chiassata. Ma
> lo
> > sforzo (è uno sforzo) di leggere La Società dello Spettacolo (1967) di
> > Debord - e magari vedere il film - ne vale la pena.
>
> certo, come se lo vendessero in tute le videoteche d'Italia...
 Dovresti trovarlo facilmente in qualsiasi libreria Feltrinelli. E'
pubblicato  dalla Nautilus, una casa ed. di Torino che sta ripubblicando
tutti i testi Situazionisti.
Quanto al vederlo...
Debord e gli altri ritengono l'arte tradizionale esaurita dalle avanguardie
del primo 900; tutto ciò che viene dopo è squallida imitazione. L'arte
futura può essere solo 'costruzione di situazione', vita e non
rappresentazione. Alla fine l'unica situazione veramente interessante è la
rivoluzione. Questo non porta ad n cinema molto divertente. Io non sono
disposto a seguirlo ma non posso non notare quanta verità ci sia nelle sue
teorie, vivendo nella civiltà più coerentemente ed ossessivamente estetica
che il mondo abbia mai conosciuta.
In un certo senso la Società dello Spettacolo l'hai già visto. E' Blob. Sono
i monologhi di Ghezzi. Una voce narrante legge brani del libro sopra
spezzoni pubblicitari, notiziari, documentari, parecchie donne nude... ogni
tanto spezzoni di film famosi ( Johnny Guitar, Les Enfants du Paradis,
epiche sovietiche...), rare eccezzioni alle vaste condanne di D. Se hai
letto il libro, bene: le immagini illuminano il testo ed il detournement -
l'uso delle parole del nemico per colpirlo - funziona. Se no, è un andazzo
discretamente pesante.



title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
nico pisanelli <ni...@color.irmkant.rm.cnr.itNOSPAM> wrote in message
1eedoqv.9u...@pw6100.irmkant.rm.cnr.it...

Mi viene in mente una risposta orribilmente cattiva ma non voglio farmi dei
nemici di persone che non conosco ancora bene e che in piccola parte
appprovo...
IMHO, quanto Debord ed i Situazionisti hanno dato al pensiero moderno è più
che sufficiente a far perdonare un po' di esibizionismo giovanile contro un
mostro sacro del cinema. Kill your Idols non è solo una maglietta dei
Guns'n'Roses ma un precetto buddista ed una sana pratica intellettuale - a
piccole dosi.
Per il resto, no di certo, ammiro anch'io Chaplin. Il finale di Luci della
Città è una delle due scene di film che sono riuscite a farmi letteralmente
piangere (l'altra è il provino cinematografico della bambina in Bellissima
di Visconti)



title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote in message
8lna4n$mig$1...@pegasus.tiscalinet.it...
>ogni
> tanto spezzoni di film famosi ( Johnny Guitar, Les Enfants du
Paradis,
> epiche sovietiche...), rare eccezzioni alle vaste condanne di D. Se
hai
> letto il libro, bene: le immagini illuminano il testo ed il
detournement -
> l'uso delle parole del nemico per colpirlo - funziona. Se no, è un
andazzo
> discretamente pesante.
D. salva Les enfants du Paradis? Molto interessante
vito


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote in message
8lna4p$mig$2...@pegasus.tiscalinet.it...
> Kill your Idols non è solo una maglietta dei
> Guns'n'Roses ma un precetto buddista ed una sana pratica
intellettuale - a
> piccole dosi.
Appunto. Decontestualizzato rischia di essere spettacolo e
rappresentazione a sua volta.
> Per il resto, no di certo, ammiro anch'io Chaplin. Il finale di
Luci della
> Città è una delle due scene di film che sono riuscite a farmi
letteralmente
> piangere (l'altra è il provino cinematografico della bambina in
Bellissima
> di Visconti)
Questa è sensibilità. Non sto sfottendo, sono sincero.
vito


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote:
> >
> Mi viene in mente una risposta orribilmente cattiva ma non voglio farmi dei
> nemici di persone che non conosco ancora bene e che in piccola parte
> appprovo...
dai dai, io adoro le risposte cattive ;-)
N.


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: ArAmesh

text:
Vienna. Viale del Ring. Angolo di Sirk. Si formano capannelli. ArAmesh
e Moritz Benedikt a colloquio:
>
> (l'altra è il provino cinematografico della bambina in Bellissima
> di Visconti)
A me succede ogni volta che Mulay el-Raisuli (Sean Connery) esclama
"Addio signora Pedecaris.Ci rivedremo quando saremo due nuvole d'oro
nel cielo".
--
ArAmesh (ICQ 13983837)
"Avete visto la vignetta di Schonpflug? Una forza!"


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Vienna. Viale del Ring. Angolo di Sirk. Si formano capannelli. ArAmesh
e Moritz Benedikt a colloquio:
> "Noi crediamo che la più urgente
> espressione di libertà sia la distruzione degli idoli, specie quelli che
> pretendono di rappresentare la libertà (...) Abbandoniamo i nostri critici
> nella folla dei facilmente offesi".
Dove ho gia' sentito questa frase? Mmmm... non era proprio uguale ma
piu' o meno faceva cosi':
"Riteniamo che la nostra causa corra un grandissimo rischio con la
politica socialdemocratica di M. Per questo motivo si ritiene
necessario che i compagni appoggino il colpo di Stato, o quanto meno
non lo contrastino, per ripulire la situazione e dare un'alternativa
chiara alla massa: fascismo o comunismo."
Parlavi di compensazione in un altro thread: e' consolatorio pensare
che molte delle persone che definirono quella linea programmatica
morirono a causa della dittatura fascista che avevano contribuito ad
appoggiare.



title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Vienna. Viale del Ring. Angolo di Sirk. Si formano capannelli. ArAmesh
e *solaar* a colloquio:
> io non sono d'accordo su chaplin
Neanche lui, fidati. Vero?



title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
ArAmesh <aramesh@writemeNON_SPESSO.com> wrote:
>A me succede ogni volta che Mulay el-Raisuli (Sean Connery) esclama
>"Addio signora Pedecaris.Ci rivedremo quando saremo due nuvole d'oro
>nel cielo".
Stacco su Bonolis e Laurenti che si gustano un Lavazza... scherzo,
quel film e' un mito anche per me (soprattutto l'ultima scena con i
due a cavallo che guardano il mare)! ;-)
Ciao
Nicola


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
ArAmesh <aramesh@writemeNON_SPESSO.com> wrote in message
MPG.13ea9f63...@news.libero.it...
> > "Noi crediamo che la più urgente
> > espressione di libertà sia la distruzione degli idoli, specie quelli che
> > pretendono di rappresentare la libertà (...) Abbandoniamo i nostri
critici
> > nella folla dei facilmente offesi".
>
> Dove ho gia' sentito questa frase? Mmmm... non era proprio uguale ma
> piu' o meno faceva cosi':
>
> "Riteniamo che la nostra causa corra un grandissimo rischio con la
> politica socialdemocratica di M. Per questo motivo si ritiene
> necessario che i compagni appoggino il colpo di Stato, o quanto meno
> non lo contrastino, per ripulire la situazione e dare un'alternativa
> chiara alla massa: fascismo o comunismo."
>
> Parlavi di compensazione in un altro thread: e' consolatorio pensare
> che molte delle persone che definirono quella linea programmatica
> morirono a causa della dittatura fascista che avevano contribuito ad
> appoggiare.
>
Confrontare con la descrizione dell'ultima serata al Sacher descritta da Van
Cleef nel post 'Vile atto politico'.
Insomma, non è che chiunque faccia un po' di scena e vada sopra le righe
debba per forza avere intenzioni malvage. Per quanto mi piaccia Moretti
condivido parecchie delle critiche che gli vengono fatte. Il suo cinema
regge pr forza di personalità: negli epigoni,
dove questa non c'è, può essere un vero pianto. Certo, l'idea di far
ripartire il cinema italiano da Milano Calibro 9...
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title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: Enrico Battocchi

text:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:08:00 +0200,
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
 said...
>onfrontare con la descrizione dell'ultima serata al Sacher descritta da Van
>Cleef nel post 'Vile atto politico'.
>Insomma, non è che chiunque faccia un po' di scena e vada sopra le righe
>debba per forza avere intenzioni malvage. Per quanto mi piaccia Moretti
>condivido parecchie delle critiche che gli vengono fatte.
Indubbiamente.
Dule pero' notare che i tre caballeros dell'estetica a tutti i costi
scadano un po' proprio nella forma (trita e ritrita) con cui veicolano il
loro contenuto.
Nel criticare il contenutismo, si esprimono in maniera contenutistica.
Personalmente speravo che dimostrassero maggiore creativita' nella
contestazione.
--
Enrico Battocchi <
sgtp...@supereva.it
>


title: In queste ore drammatiche...

text:
Vito <
vitto...@tin.it
> wrote in message 8lnebl$sue$1...@nslave1.tin.it...
>
> > Per il resto, no di certo, ammiro anch'io Chaplin. Il finale di
> Luci della
> > Città è una delle due scene di film che sono riuscite a farmi
> letteralmente
> > piangere (l'altra è il provino cinematografico della bambina in
> Bellissima
> > di Visconti)
>
> Questa è sensibilità. Non sto sfottendo, sono sincero.
>
Grazie (tu non lo vedi ma sto scodinzolando forte).
Avrei dovuto aggiungere anche il finale della Signora Miniver, quando gli
aerei della RAF passano in formazione sopra la chiesa scoperchiata. Mi viene
un groppo in gola solo a pensarci.
Ma mentre nei primi due casi credo che un essere umano di normale
sensibilità dovrebbe condividere i miei sentimenti, nel caso della Signora
Miniver c'è un tale viluppo di sentimenti personali, anche intellettuali e
politici, che ammetto tranquillamente che altri non lo sentano come me. Ho
perdonato persino le cattiverie di Gore Vidal sull'argomento.
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title: In queste ore drammatiche...

author: Matteo L.

text:
Moritz Benedikt <
stefano...@tiscalinet.it
> wrote:
> Kill your Idols non č solo una maglietta dei
> Guns'n'Roses
...ma un mini-album dei Sonic Youth, di qualche anno precedente il
successo dei G'n'R.
--
Matteo L.
per risposte in mailbox togliere "hgh."