Thank you for staying for so long It's definitely worse of it because paper chat paper chat x top is Very new It's actually a project or product actually This is still not Available in a commercial product But paper will surely tell us more Yeah, thanks for interaction So welcome to your last presentation today It's cool to have some audience at such a late hour The presentation will be about new security subsystem in wildfly or for wildfly Because the new and hot and awesome wildfly 10 which was released one week before doesn't contain Erythron Nevertheless, it only means that you still have a time to prepare for this revolution Yeah, I always loved the second slide on presentations of Oracle employees and I wanted to put this climber to my Presentation so now is the time and you can enjoy it. So Information in this presentation are without any very warranty Yeah, so If you if you break something Yeah, I am not responsible for it and not my employee employer What is the program of this presentation I will start with Conclusion because I have to catch a classical music concert at half past seven and I don't know how the demo will go then some social social stuff because I've read somewhere that Some ice breakers should be in every good presentation and I want this presentation to be good and Then we will talk about why we are changing security subsystem in Erythron and What features are already implemented and what we can expect in in the future Shortly we will look into compatibility issues which we can expect and then if time allows and God God's allows Hello, we will try demo. So the conclusion Erythron is a set of API's and SPI's Which cover whole Security of the application server It unifies security configuration, which is now invited fragmented to several places for example SSL configuration I can count at least three places as securities domain security realms and under tau for instance where you can configure and There is also a need for strong mechanisms not only just base authentication and for For this purpose the Erythron was introduced When the Erythron was announced on a wildfire death mailing list About one and a half year ago David Lloyd wrote that it will completely replace picket box and jazz as wildfire security solution Yeah, we will see so it was something At the message and now The social part I will talk about me and I will ask something about you so I work in red hat and My focus is on security and in last month also containers and clouds The other roles which I play in my life more or less successfully is happy father Experience hobby runner and organ player and what about you? Are you Java e friends? Right raise your hands, please Yeah, nice nearly everybody and Have you ever tried to play with security configuration in about fly? Yeah Security domains realms SSL configuration. Yeah, not so much, but And do you run? Yeah, share share your enthusiasm nice so the social part is Successfully completed at now Let's continue with small serious business a social part Why we are replacing the current security solution which is working so somehow Let's dive into the history of jazz Just is actually client site API which predated G2e specification and originally G2e didn't came with With some security solution and left the decisions about security on the vendors for example Jbos And at the times mainly simple security solutions were in demand and It means validating user name passwords and As a result the jazz Seen as a good solution to solve This this problem this are So the vendors implemented it but not in standard way with Jbos AS 7 preference was to switch to more strong authentication mechanisms which means such some mechanisms and This wasn't compatible with jazz as a result new solution was introduced yet the jazz was covered by security domains and now we have also security realms which covers this Sussell and As a result we have two solutions Which solve the same problem, but from different perspective and it's confusing for users for administrators and This is the main purpose which led to initiation of Elytron project What is already implemented in Elytron? It's yeah, it's mainly the set of APIs and SPIs One of them is server Password Factory which provides implementation of several types of passwords and password mechanisms and Representations as hash passwords sorted passwords And it provides also API to some level of transformation from one for from one Representation of passwords for example from plain I want to convert to some other Representation and when it is supported we have API for it The other area our security realms which we can compare somehow to login modules in in security domains like legacy security domains and the security realms represent integration point with user store so Where your user population leaves for example? You have users in LDAP or in database So through security realms you can access and sometimes manage the users It contains yeah, as I said it contains also modifiable API so It's different to login modules. You can Directly change through the API the user population and for example attributes of users security domains are The points against which the authentication starts So if you have web application It can say or administrator can say yet This application will be protected by this security domain and security domain references security realms which provides users for example for authentication So some mechanisms are based on existing Jbo susser solution and the completely new is HTTP authentication framework which introduces something like susser into into HTTP and everything is packaged as new Java JCA security provider which is registered by by electron extension we will see it later and Also, there is ongoing work on integration to other subsystems like web server and EJBs also Remoting and the other subsystem which needs to handle with security Under the umbrella of electron. We can also count the new wildfire security manager, which is already in Already in wildfire versions, which we have now You can try it when you start the wildfire with minus sec mg mgr argument If you make simple comparison of the subsystems as we have it now in the integration branch the old security subsystem has XML schema file with four four hundred lines and The electron subsystem which is not completed yet. For example, the SSL configuration is missing there And it already have two and half thousand lines So yeah, it will be huge thing and If we look into the configuration how it looks like usually in legacy security subsystem You have security domain Which contains references to login modules with some configuration of authentication The electron subsystem has something similar. It has security realms With the user population security domain which references the security realm and then for example HTTP authentication which references security domain or Sussell authentication which references security domain and what we can expect In the next days and weeks Petter is working on credential store API SPI which will which will replace Security vaults which are currently used to store sensitive information. So if you don't want to store for example database password in your application server configuration you will put it or currently you put it into the vault and in the future you will use credential API SPI to store it somewhere Out of the server configuration and the server configuration will hold only the reference to to the credential store the other part which It's which is expected is the single configuration of excess SSL context which Which is as I said currently Configure for example in security domain security realms or under tau and there will be a need for Integration in other subsystems as remoting or JMS but Thanks to new feature in bulk flight and which is called capabilities and requirements this is not so big deal and the subsystem don't need to have dependency on Elytron project They just will need to say yeah, I want to new SSL context for example with the disname and They don't need to know that behind is Elytron or other provider and backward compatibility Once the Elytron is merged in wildfire, I think user will start to ask How will I transfer my configuration from legacy subsystem into about into Elytron? How will I move from vault to credential stores and so on and This is our only guess is how it will continue I've told with better and The plan was to to have the old system and Elytron sometime in parallel and then cut most of the jazz jazz security and Only keep log in modules which which are used for example as third-party modules Customers have their own implementation so only this part will be will survive and Also some migration tool for for the awards should be introduced Yeah, and now the demo time I Want to show you how to simply secure web application in wildfire and At first I will show you how to do it in the legacy subsystem and then how to do it with new Elytron For legacy subsystem, I will use users and trolls stored in property files and In Elytron, I will store them in file system realm Yeah, let's let's try it. This is my window and price the wildfire it's clean installation of of the version where is Elytron integrated Hopefully we will start it and how the test application looks like it's single jsp jsp file application and It also includes two deployment descriptors one is When those specific our jbus web XML, which is used to reference security domain and the second is the standard Deployment descriptor from server at specification web XML if we look into them This is the jbus web XML. Yeah, we just reference web tests as name of security domain standard Deployment descriptor says that all application will be protected and only Users with role admin will have access and the application will be protected with basic authentication and realm name Presented to user will be secured kingdom and the third file is The jsp which only prints the name of authenticated user So principle name the next step before we deploy this application We will set up the legacy security domain because we reference the security domain name from From the application. So we want to have it prepared before deployment. So I Prepared two property files Which contains users and throws if we look into users file, yeah, it's only mapping username password and property file and throws file is Mapping from username to list of roles how to configure the legacy security domain Usually you don't need for example security ram to configure But because I don't have the property files on class path I use the way through security realm. So the authentication Comes from security realm and security domain is only used to reference security day realm through realm direct login module. So this is the management Operations which we will need to to do So let's run it. Let's deploy the application. We can check it It's deployed and we can test it I will use the command line based HTTP client coroll and It will be in verbose mode. So we will see the HTTP headers and Yeah, I didn't provide any authentication information and the server responses with 401 unauthorized. So we are not authenticated If we provide authentication information, so username admin and his password the response from server is with status okay, and we see that the We are authenticated into the JSP with with username admin So this is authentication in legacy subsystem security subsystem now in the In the electron we will need to do some more steps This is These are management operations which we will need to do to complete the configuration So first register a return subsystem in wildfire configuration then configure file system realm Which will be stored somewhere under the server configuration And as you can see We will use directly management operations to add users Set their password and also set their attributes. I use Setting attributes to configure roles once we have security realm we can Use it in new security domain which name test domain and then we will configure HTTP server authentication, which will reference the new security domain and Final step is to say to under our subsystem that If if the application requires authentication to web tests domain, we will map it to the HTTP server authentication which we configured in in the preview step So it will be authenticated through electron let's run the script and Check the server log file if it contains Yeah, it should contain some message from electron that it is ready and Now we can gain Check the authentication So first without username password Yeah, and again, we are not authorized but now the realm name in Authenticated header from server. It's not the the name we used in deployment descriptor But it's the name we configured in electron. So secured by electron if we provide username password We have an authorized because for electron we have a little bit different password. So I Will provide On the end of the password and it Authenticates correctly So we switch from legacy authentication to electron authentication Hopefully some steps will not be necessary once the electron is ready in bulk fly and I expect some reasonable default for example for the HTTP server authentication But yeah, we will see as I said Erythron itself registers its functionality or its services as standard Java security services in Security provider I have Second short demo which shows how to add additional additional functionality by Adding new security provider through electron. So let's continue in this and I have simple Simple single JSP which Just lists names of security providers registers registered in the JVN And or it also lists key stores registered by the security providers Let's deploy the application Check if it is deployed with the providers There is a set of standard Do you see it? Not so much standard security providers registered by security Java security configuration file in your Java runtime environment and The key store types the last The last security provider listed here is the bulk fly electron Which is the one registered by extension Also the password file in the key store types comes from from the electron So it's what what is in electron by default and when we want to add the pkcs11 security provider This is the management operation for it which says in electron add new provider loader with Given provider class load it from given by fly module and We can also provide some properties for for the newly initiated provider and We will say register it on the server startup Let's run it test application and you can see Some pkcs11 security provider is registered and in key store types. We have new type pkcs11 This key store type can be used for example to to access Smart cards or keys pro key store on smart cards or USB tokens or In this demo it was used to access network security services key store so once more the conclusion electron is set of APIs and SPIs and It should provide unified security configuration across the whole application server and Maybe it will completely replace jazz and picket box So it's a done. It's the next big thing in wildfire and You should give it a try Currently you need to build the components yourself, but the integration is It's expected that now after racing by 510 some parts will be Integrated into the main Main branches so into the wildfire core and wildfire if you find any issue, there's a Li project in jbos issue director so you can report report it or If you have any food or ideas or comments you can talk with developers on hipchat and It's all do have questions Kiko is mainly single sign-on yes, so it will be I Think it could be used as security realm also there there should be There should be integration in the future but the base security layer layer in wildfire should be electron I think the Kiko tries to solve another area of problems. Yeah If you know current solution security We have picket link and picket box in wildfire and picket box is the core of the security and picket link Is mainly single sign-on summer base? so in the future Elytron will be the core and Kiko will provide single sign-on. I don't know The Kiko very much so I Can answer better any other questions? if not thanks as As far as I know it's not possible now But I don't know what are the plans with this provider provider Loaders under the Elytron, but I do have some information remove and reorder so The future is bright any other questions if not thank your for your attention and Have a nice evening Macky much


I want to welcome everyone who joined us today for a Massachusetts peace action and tank webinar. Never forget 9 11 and the 20 year war on terror. First I would like to thank our co-sponsors who have made this possible. The coalition for civil freedoms, historians for peace and democracy, united for peace and justice, world beyond war, project censored, veterans for peace, covert action magazine, military families speak out on earth peace and the national network opposing the militarization of youth. So as we all know the world changed on September 11, 2001, the tragic deaths of almost 3,000 people and the destruction of the world trade centers, Twin Towers in New York City had a deep effect and impact on the American people. It fundamentally altered the culture of the United States and its relationship with the rest of the world. Unfortunately, the violence of that day was not confined. It spread throughout the world as America lashed out both at home and abroad. The almost 3,000 deaths of September 11th became hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths from the wars that the United States launched in retaliation and revenge. Tens of millions of people lost their homes and we created the worst migration and refugee crisis since the Second World War. Now with the lies of weapons of mass destruction, a majority of the country was convinced to invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan for it, some of the worst foreign policy decisions of the modern era. Becky Mcbranch was also given sweeping authority to make war cross borders and without limits and the conflict in the Middle East spread under both Republican and Democratic presidents leading to wars in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia. Once again, if you could please mute yourself if you're not speaking, just to cut down on the background. Now 9-11 was also used as an excuse to change the relationship of the U.S. government to its citizens in the name of safety and national security. The federal government was given vast expansive surveillance powers that threatened privacy and civil liberties. The Department of Homeland Security was created and with it ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. Words like enhanced interrogation, euphemism for torture entered the American lexicon and the Bill of Rights was tossed aside. After the events of September 11, 2001, never forget became a common expression in the United States. Unfortunately, it was not only used to remember and honor the dead, but like phrases like remember the main and remember the Alamo, never forget was also used as a rallying cry to war. 20 years after 9-11, we're still living in the age of the war on terror. So today, what we're going to do is we brought together experts, activists, academics, veterans to reflect on what the last 20 years means to this country and to the world at large. Because we know that if we don't remember our history, we're doomed to repeat the mistakes that we have already made. So I want to thank you all for joining us for this important program. And with that, I want to pass the floor over to Rachel Brunke of the Cold War Truth Commission. Rachel, the floor is yours. Thank you, Brian. Welcome all. My name is Rachel Brunke. And along with Frank Dorrell, we coordinated back in March the Cold War Truth Commission. I like to see a lot of names on this webinar also from that one. I am a high school teacher, and I'm going to a lot of you might not know, but we have reached out specifically to thank you for the shout out about the flag.  I'm 53, a lot of, we all, you know, who are of whatever age, remember where we were this day. So I want to pause and just kind of give a little reverence, a little homage to what a lot of us are going through remembering those days, not just the tragedy of it, but the knowledge of what we knew could have been and should have been done. And here we are 20 years later, and it wasn't done. We can't go back in time, but we can definitely go forward and have a redo, and maybe America is ready this time. So I'm a high school teacher, I teach environmental resource engineering. And I'm here to say, as we know, that war is completely unsustainable. Neither the planet nor the people can withstand the endless murder of each other. I'm talking to you from Los Angeles. We are in drought. We are in what seems like incessant heat. We live in increasing income inequality, people without homes, children without food, a population who is uneducated and frighteningly seems unprepared to deal with what's coming planetarily and socially in this country. And yet it is my feeling because we are on the streets doing peace activism, and I'm in my classroom with the kids that the people are ready. They need a change, and they're ready to be told the truth, perhaps, by our government. So we are at a pivotal moment right now, I feel, just like we were 20 years ago. We were at a pivotal moment to do the right thing. And we are once again at that moment. There are some different things. We don't have the natural resource base to continue the lie maybe that we started 20 years ago and didn't address our problems. So we'll see if the planet is going to kick us into truth finally. But we're, you know, the question has to be asked, will the American government again betray the will of the American people? It was not the will of the American people 20 years ago to go to war. We were bamboozled, as we have been for decades, into war. And so I'm just so happy to be a part of this meeting today. And I want to let you know for all of the we're running this like a sort of like a webinar, but it is a meeting at three o'clock when we end when our last speaker ends. We're staying on and like we did the truth commission, if people want to, to we'll have kind of an open mic and if people want to share and they want to have action items, whatever, we'll we'll see how it how it goes, but I want to let people know they can use the chat, but also that we'll be having that at the end. And lastly, two links, and then I'll mute here, but two links that we're going to be putting into the chat right now is this meeting is for a privileged group. And that privilege group in my mind is the youth. And so we have made a special effort to reach out to especially high school youth who are being told only partial story if at all truth. And so we have come up with some literature on Afghanistan. And we've also come up with a worksheet that we have reached out to teachers to assign to young people. So I want everyone to know that there are a lot of young people we hope on this call today. And so I will put the worksheet again in the chat to fill out for for credit, perhaps for your classes. And lastly, wonderfully, Barbara Trent, who is an Academy Award winning filmmaker. Many of you know, she made the film Cover Up the Around Contra Affair and also Panama Deception. I will be putting a couple of very important links into the chat about movies that she has short clips, longer clips specifically about 9-11. She was there for an entire week in New York talking to the people after 9-11. And the fact is they were anti-war and they knew exactly what was going on. So we need everyone to understand that her films are very important. So look for those items in the chat and we look forward to a great meeting today. Thank you. Hi, everyone. My name is Emily Dorrell and I'm with Code Pink.  We love working with you. So I'm actually filling in today for Danika Kotovic. She is unable to make it. She was supposed to be our co-host, but is unable to. So I'm going to try and do my best to fill her shoes. So welcome. Reflecting on the last 20 years and what we hope to get out of today is to remember that war is never the answer. When faced with death and tragedy and collective grief causing more suffering for others will never heal us and will never give us more peace. It's no secret now that we relied to. We've relied to about weapons of mass destruction and terrorism, drone strikes, all in order to manufacture our consent for war. 20 years ago may feel like a long time, but the liars and the war profiteers are still here and some of them still make policy. So if we are to recognize that people in power are willing to lie to us and international bodies in order to go to war, we must continue to think critically about how the United States discusses its so-called enemies so that history does not repeat itself. We hope this list of amazing speakers today will help us remember what happened in the wake of 9 11 and what has occurred over the last 20 years. And what we can learn from all of it. Each speaker will speak about five to seven minutes and we will be linking actions as Brian and Rachel both already said in the chat. So be sure to check that out and stay engaged, take action with us and share on social media if you would like to. Really quickly, I would like to give a quick shout out to Fernando Suarez del Solar, who is watching his son Jesus was one of the first Marines killed in Iraq. So wanted to give him a shout out and thanks for being with us today, Fernando.


Abledon Arnair is sponsored in part by Green Mountain Support Services, empowering neighbors with disabilities to be at home in the community. Additional support for Abledon Arnair is sponsored in part by Washington County Mental Health Services, where hope and support come together. Welcome to this edition of Abledon Arnair, the one and only program that focuses on the needs, concerns, and achievements of the definitely able. I've always been your host, Lauren Siler. Thank you to our sponsors. With me today to discuss important issues of mental challenges and mental illness is NAMI. Why don't you guys introduce yourselves? So my name is Mary Cox. I'm the first vice president on the board of directors for NAMI, Vermont. My name's Laurie Emerson. I'm the executive director of NAMI, Vermont. And that's the National Alliance on Mental Illness. What are the missions and goals of NAMI? As our mission for NAMI, Vermont, we support, educate, and advocate so that all communities, families, and individuals affected by a mental illness or a mental health condition can build better lives.  Can we break down some of the myths and barriers? What are some of the myths around mental illness that you can educate our public about? Sure. You know, I think one of the myths is people feel that anyone with a mental health condition may be violent. And in actuality, they're more apt to be the victim of a crime or preyed upon by other people. So what do you mean by preyed upon by other people? So they may take advantage of them, you know, whether, like, you know, we have this great difficulty here in the state with the opioid epidemic, and, you know, get, you know, prey upon them with being able to maybe do things for them or just taking advantage of them. Well, okay, according to one of the myths here, mental illness is the result of bad parenting. People are faking it and doing it for attention. Just by what I have said, you know, can you break down those myths? Because, you know, people that are mentally challenged are not faking it. They're dealing with things. They're always, I mean, can you break that down, please? Sure, sure. You know, when we look at mental illness, there are environmental factors, there are biological factors. You know, a lot of times people may be traumatized, and because of that they may have a mental health condition.  And you know, when we look at using the parents as the excuse of why people may have a mental health condition, you know, it's just not true that a lot of times there are environmental factors as well as genetic. Explain what do you mean by genetic? So it may be someone in your family may have a mental health condition, so genetically it may be within the family. But a lot of times with people, there's also, it's the result of trauma in their lives. And a lot of children are going through traumatic situations, or people may go through a traumatic situation being in war, or there could be other situations. So the Holocaust, or Vietnam, or other wars might trigger flashbacks? Right, right. So with PTSD or being involved in any kind of a traumatic situation, you know, could trigger some thoughts for people, you know, and when we look at mental illness, it's really looking at, you know, the way a person thinks, their emotions, or even some of their actions. Being infected, you're on the board. What are some of the other programs within NAMI that you guys are working with or, you know, combining situations? So we have all of the educational programs, and I'll probably let Lori speak more to that. Personally, I've been to the Family to Family program, which I think is a 12-week-long program. It was a number of years ago that I went, but it gives a lot of in-depth information about mental illness. So it's for families of people that are experiencing a mental illness or a mental health condition. Just the more that you know, as a family member, as a parent or a family member, then the more able you are to give the appropriate support to your loved one. And you guys, as NAMI, working in terms of parent, you know, parent groups, how close is the family unit with organizations like NAMI, you know, helping people deal with mental challenges? You know, we're trying to take a collaborative approach with working with other organizations to be able to share information of things that they're doing. They share information of what we're doing, because we're all unique in what we have to offer. And you know, I think the more support, the better. It's really to help people gain those coping skills to be able to know what to do in a crisis, how to communicate with your loved one. Beaking about crisis, law enforcement, big thing, okay? How is your organization working with law enforcement? Because I've seen examples on, there's been many cases in the past where people who have a badge automatically think that people with mental challenges or mental illness need to be changed or put down or different things like that. So how is, especially in Vermont, how is law enforcement working with people who are mentally challenged through your organization? Can I speak to that? Sure, go ahead. So we've been working closely with the Burlington Police Department under Chief Del Pozo. And he's making great strides in training his officers to be able to respond appropriately to a person who's in a mental health crisis. And I recently was in their Burlington Police Department Community Academy. We just graduated last Tuesday evening. But I was very impressed by all of the people that presented at how, not only professional, but also thoughtful that they were. I noticed that at the Mental Health Awareness Day in the State House, the Police Department got awards for working with your program, Daniel and Mental Health. Can you explain that piece, like what were those awards for? Sure, that's the team two training. And that's an eight hour training where law enforcement and mobile crisis teams work together on some scenario-based training. Explain scenario-based.  And how would a law enforcement agency, so the people, the participants in the training are working all together to come up with, how would we resolve this particular situation? And there are a lot of great results with law enforcement and mobile crisis teams working together to help de-escalate a situation. When you say de-escalate, what if in these teams, let's say there's a situation where nobody can really help or that people have a hard time helping the situation. Someone with a knife, someone with a gun, or something of that nature. How does that really work with your, how extensive is this training? The training really brings together that community to be able to work together to develop more skills. They also go over different laws and be able to help the officers understand about the different laws. So reminding them. So they also do get some academy training with mental health. So there's also an eight hour component there. For NAMI from Montwell, what we want to do is we want to be able to offer our lived experience. So that's really our core competency. We can go in there and we can talk about what it's like as family members or individuals with a mental health condition about the best way to really handle a situation and everybody's unique. So it's not a one size fits all, but approaching something from a calm perspective can really help to de-escalate a situation so that it is handled in a way that you get the person the right help. What are some activities NAMI has evolved in to raise awareness or advocacy or both? Can you explain some of those? Sure. A lot of times NAMI Vermont is invited to be on committees for the state or within other different organizations to be able to offer our perspective as that family experience. And NAMI Vermont was it was written in legislation that NAMI Vermont was to appoint someone to this crisis response commission. So we are looking at fatalities that result with a law enforcement situation. There's been fatalities with mental illness and law enforcement? Yes. And so we- Can you explain, well, you don't have to. Can you dive into that like why that was or? Right. So maybe there was a situation where a law enforcement was involved. And someone may have been killed. So we would look at that incident and be able to find out what could we do to help improve this particular situation from not happening again. And really looking at not just the situation itself, but really looking back at the whole scope of someone's involvement. Whether it be with the mental health system or within the community. And try to offer some suggestions or best practices of improving. Since we're talking about best practices. NAMI has, from what I understand, NAMI has facilitators. Can you explain what a facilitator is and how a facilitator would work in the situation you just described? Sure. So we train all of our volunteers. So everything we do, all of our programs are free. And we train people who have lived experience to be able to be a facilitator for our support groups, for our educational classes. And by their lived experience, they can really help connect with other people to be able to provide an educational experience. And I know that there are a lot of opportunities for more volunteers for what we do. So really looking for people that have lived experience as a family member or individual with a mental health condition. Who wants to be involved, who wants to give back to other people. And really helping that recovery process. How do you guys at NAMI help deal with stigma within mental illness? Would you like to talk about that? I think a lot of it is through our advocacy efforts. The more that we talk to people, the more that we give information to people, then all of that helps to reduce stigma. I went to, it was a TEDx talk at UVM last year. And it was really moving because one of the speakers was a student at UVM who had had a mental health condition that was on the path of recovery, was a full-time student and he gave a talk about his experience. And the audience was mostly other UVM students and it gave them exposure to the idea of a person having a mental illness and how they can be in recovery. And all of that kind of thing reduces stigma. So the more that we go around and talk to people, the more that we do that same sort of thing of sharing our experience. And they realize, that could be me, that could be a family member of mine. And people start looking at it a little bit differently. Not as something that's alien, but something that could happen to anybody. Can you, in terms of stigma, how has the media portrayed good, bad, or indifferent people with mental illness and mental challenges? Can you explain? Like hospital dramas, for example. Has that played a part, has mental challenges played a part in the media? So can I say something, I think that a lot of times that, and in the words that we use, that will perpetuate stigma. So if someone's acting in a way that we don't understand or talking to themselves or hearing voices, then people say, well, that person's crazy. And that just is not helpful. It's not accurate. It's not a helpful way to talk about things. And so changing the way that we view and talk about things helps to reduce that stigma. When it's on television and you have wide exposure or so, for example, you have someone saying, well, if it was someone with a mental illness it ended up in the news. But they might talk about that person as being evil or having evil intent. And it just isn't the case. And so there are difficulties on the hopeful side. There's a show out right now that I really enjoyed watching called New Amsterdam. That's a doctor show. So that's what made me think of it when you mentioned that, where they're taking a quite sensitive and different approach to people with mental health challenges and how they, as a hospital, respond to that and work with people towards recovery. And I love that aspect of that show that they're really trying to make a difference in the way that they're tackling this topic. History of people that are mentally ill are challenges. Because years ago, the 1800s, 1900s, even in the early 20th century, a lot of people with mental challenges were in hospitals, institutionalized, etc. Past, present, and future, how has history changed people's perception of people with mental challenges? Because, for example, Bellevue Hospital has been documentaries done. Can you explain about the history of mental illness and your organizations and combine that? In the past, they really didn't know how to treat mental illness. For them, it was just, let's just kind of push them away off to the side, because they didn't know how to treat things. And then, medicine started to come out and finding that, okay, this is a treatment that's better than the other approaches that they have taken. And that all treatments work as alternatives. Exactly. And medicine isn't just the only approach there. We really look at having many different treatment modalities to be able to help and really cover it. Can you explain what a modality is? So, for example, medicine could be one, but also having counseling. You could be attending. A yoga class, for example. Yoga class. Yoga and meditation help. A support group. Eating right, sleeping, getting the right amount of sleep. So, having all of these factors is only going to help support somebody in their recovery. And everybody is different. Everybody is unique. So, what might work for one person is not going to work for the other person. And you have to find what's right for you. And you set off, well, you set off camera that NAMI doesn't accept money. NAMI Vermont doesn't accept money from pharmaceutical companies. The pharmaceutical industry has been good, bad, and different with opiate crises. People are using medicine as candy to get a fix. What is NAMI doing, as far as like legislation, or something like that, to educate pharmaceutical companies or doctors on alternatives to medication? If I'm saying that right. If I'm making any mistakes, please. Sure, sure. So, when we respond to legislation, we really look at what are the bills that we can help educate legislators about the lived experience perspective from the families. And they've had some legislation that has come through in regards to pharmaceutical companies and maybe not accepting payment from pharmaceuticals for lunch or whatever it might be. For what? For like going to conferences and if pharmaceuticals pay for the food there. You know, I think there was some legislation about that. We don't really get involved in all of the legislation, so we're really looking at how can we improve upon some of the priorities that we really set as an organization. When you say priorities, what exactly are those? So, we have about 11 or 12 high-level priorities that we're working on. And our advocacy committee comes up with these priorities every year, and they may change depending on, you know, what's going on in society today. And, you know, it's really, you know, one of our, we don't really have a certain order of our priorities, but it's ensuring that there is funding for mental health, which we always seem to get cut, or it doesn't increase with our funding. Now that we're in this, since you say that, we're in this messy situation with our current administration with President Trump. We had a government shutdown. We're not having another one. But how does this situation deal, do you guys, does NAMI get federal funds? If there's problem with the government, how do you raise money? How does that work within NAMI's perspective? So, NAMI Vermont, we're a Vermont chapter of this national organization. And they advocate on a federal level there in Washington to be able to change federal laws. And our focus is really on the state level and really influencing legislators. And, you know, we will call our representatives in Washington, D.C., to let them know our perspective, and we encourage our membership to also call our representatives or congressmen to be able to advocate for people with a mental health condition. But, you know, Vermont is such a progressive state that they are always in favor of being able to help people. I know we're jumping around here, but in terms of suicide and problems with it, because, you know, suicide is one of the most big issues that important to get the message out about how to prevent suicide. How can someone experiencing or might be suicidal, how does NAMI work with someone that might be suicidal or are there focus groups on it or more counseling? Can you explain? So, there are people that may have suicide ideations, so they have thoughts of suicide. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to act on that, but what we do is we help support them so that they can, like, attending our support groups where they can talk with other people who have that same experience. So, that's one way we do help people. And it's really just to listen to people. So, being a good listener is a boy. It is very important. And to ask those right questions and ask them, do you feel like you are going to do anything to harm yourself? And then just being there with them and talking through things can sometimes just help a person know that somebody else is there to listen to me, and that can make all the difference in the world for people. We do not, though, like, run a hotline. And so, a lot of our job is just to get the information out there. Oh, so you don't run a hotline? We do not run a hotline. Is there a reason for that? Mostly we just don't staff for that. We give referrals. You know, a lot, we have an 800 number, and people will let us know what they're going through. And if there's a certain organization with that expertise, we will refer them to those folks. But we all... Do you guys, does NAMI work directly or indirectly with Washington County Mental Health? We would definitely refer people who may call from that area. So, we try to find out, you know, where do they live and let them know about the resources in their community. And, you know, Washington County Mental Health is a designated agency. So, if they're not affiliated with them, you know, we would give them phone numbers, people to call, or other supports in the area as well. So, for instance, there is a peer group called Another Way. That's a drop in center. And that's, you know, another good support for people as well. What are some of the future goals of NAMI Vermont? So, you know, our vision would be to be able to have all the right care and the right place at the right time for people when they may experience a crisis. And if, you know, we can meet people when they need the help, more preventative approaches is really what we would aim for. Not letting something get to a crisis level that they need hospitalization. Provide the support in the community to help people. I think that that's one of our big areas, is to try to ensure that there's adequate and robust community services. And so, for example, I was on a committee this past year that looked at Vermont's system of orders of non-hospitalization. When you say non-hospitalization, what exactly does that mean? So, what happens is a person's in the hospital, and usually this occurs when a person's in the hospital for mental health condition against their will. So, that's often where this crops at. Is that against the law? No, there's statutory provisions for having somebody hospitalized if they seem to be a danger to themselves or others. And so, it's usually when a person just might be very sick or be in a psychotic episode right at the time, then they may end up going to the hospital. But what the problem is is that part of the problem is that the hospitals are very overcrowded. And so, what they'll do is they'll stay in the hospital long enough to get over the initial crisis. And then the state will tell the person, the state, through the Department of Mental Health will tell the person, we're going to release you from the hospital, but you have to comply with the treatment plan. And if you don't comply with the treatment plan, then you'll be sent back to the hospital. That's the outline of what the current legislation is. What they found in other places is that if they provide more community services, including step-down beds, so that when you're released from the hospital, you aren't just released. Okay, so what is, I apologize, it's good, but this has to do. So, crisis bed, step-down bed. Okay, so I can explain all this. I'm sorry. So, no, it's a good question. So, stepping back, a crisis bed is a bed at a facility usually not locked that's an alternative to going into a hospital where you may be in a locked ward. Okay, so it's an alternative and a lot of people love that idea that they have that alternative available because it gives them a choice about if they can go to some place where they have support, they have people that are on staff at a crisis bed facility. So, like for example, in Chinning County, they have assist, which is, I think there's eight beds or something at assist, six or eight beds. And there's staff 24-7 and people can go there if they're having a mental health crisis, but they're not locked in. And so, it's just a better thing all around to be able to do things in a voluntary way. A step-down bed is, if you're, have had a psychotic episode, for example, and you're in the hospital, the hospital can only keep you for a short somewhat limited period of time. But you're like on a 72-hour hold or something? Something like that, or even if they admit you into a ward and you have a bed and you might be there for two weeks, for example. Well, the main part of the crisis may be over, but you're not really ready to return to your job, or you're not really ready to return to your parents' home or your family home. Oftentimes, it's useful to have a transition period where you're able to think about your own recovery, you're able to take baby steps, and then with eventual transition back into the community. And so, having those step-down beds is very crucial, but we have a lack of step-down beds in Vermont. And so, what frequently happens is a person will be discharged from the hospital and then go directly back to their parents' house, but then frequently parents are not able to properly support a person who's still having mental health symptoms. And so, it's a little bit scary for the parents because they would like to be supportive, but they just don't know how. So, they're frustrated. The person may need a little bit more support than what they're able to get from their parents, and so that's frustrating for them. And so, we're advocating right now to, for example, to put more money into community mental health services so that we can provide more in the way of step-down beds, respite, step-down beds, crisis beds, all the different sorts of supports that people might need in dealing with a mental health crisis.  Is there a difference? So, when you think of mental illness, it's the severity of the illness. And everybody is different. Some people may need hospitalization, like Mary talked about. Other people may just need a respite crisis bed. Can you explain what a respite is? So, respite would be like at the assist program at a crisis bed. So, it's only for maybe a couple days. It could be a week or so. But just to get a little bit more support because you feel like, you know, your symptoms may be escalating.  As a matter of fact, we changed our mission statement recently to before it was just working with mental illness. But it's also mental health challenges because you may have anxiety that is something that may go away in a couple weeks. Other people may need to manage symptoms for quite a long time. Can you talk about your involvement with, let's go back to media because I know that NAMI not too long ago did a public service announcement, which we're going to show as well. What was that about? And why did you guys go to the public service announcement route to educate people? Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It's to educate the public about a mental health condition and let them know about the prevalence, you know, one in five people may be affected by a mental health condition in their lifetime. And we had volunteers do the public service announcement. So these are all people that have been working with us. Why don't we do this? Why don't we take a look at NAMI's public service announcement campaign? Let's take a look at this. One in five Vermonters experience a mental health condition each year. If you need help, the National Alliance on Mental Illness of Vermont is here for you. Our nonprofit organization offers free support groups and programs to educate and encourage those in need of care. NAMI Vermont gave me the support that I needed to change my life. I don't know where I would be without that hope. For more information on our free programs, go to our website at namivt.org. Well, is there any last minute things that you want to talk about about NAMI's mission before we end? You know, one thing that I wanted to mention that, you know, one of the myths of mental illness is that it's something that can be managed. There is recovery. There is hope for people. People can get back to their lives and working and doing what they enjoy doing in their lives. So, you know, letting people know that hope and recovery is possible. For more information on NAMI's programs in Vermont, can you tell us the number and where people can reach you on the website? They can find our website at namivt.org. That's www.namivt.org. Yes. Is there a number? Yeah, so we have an 800 line,<PHONE_NUMBER>. Can you repeat that one more time, please? Sure.<PHONE_NUMBER>. Again, we'd like to thank you for joining us on this edition of Abledon Air. This puts an end to this edition of Abledon Air. Arlene is off today. Thank you to our sponsors and we'll see you next time for another edition of Abledon Air. Abledon Air is sponsored in part by Green Mountain Support Services, Empowering Neighbors with Disabilities to Be at Home in the Community. Additional support for Abledon Air is sponsored in part by Washington County Mental Health Services, where hope and support come together.


Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspy's casebreaks.com coming at you with today's brand new release 2020 tops gold label baseball 16 box pick your team number three sold out straight up Right here 16 box pick your team three on Wednesday the 14th Thanks, everyone for getting into the action appreciate it Let's pop this guy open and then let's see See if we can find a piece of gold in here apparently that's possible An actual piece of gold Yeah, there's dual autos in here. We haven't we haven't seen that And people there's the frame All right, so we'll fly through these. There's Ricky Henderson To 150 for the A's There's a couple Kyle Lewis's right there. There's one Kyle Lewis class one Kyle Lewis and another Kyle Lewis That's a class two Kyle Lewis right there. That'll be for the M's that'll be for Kevin Kane Look at all those top-loaded before they go out. All right. Our first autograph is Sean Murphy Sean Murphy rookie auto for the athletics that'll be for Jay Crichter with the Oakland A's My reaction if I pulled a trout Harper dual auto it would be That that that's That's that would be my reaction There's the next frame at a Whitmere field of 75 And Shane Bieber at a 50 Shane Bieber great season for him goes to Matt and the tribe and Cool who it Maryfield going to Chris and the Royals and the frame behind sunny gray is gonna be Anthony K Blue Jays Sean Maddock with the blue birds We got a Sean Murphy who went to Jay and then a blue Jay K Going to Sean Hershaw don't sit on that crazy wooden bench It's bad for your back all of these cards will ship Just want to breeze through these though so we can get to the frame There's a Nolan Ryan to 75 and that'll go to Ika Pola and the Rangers Walker Texas Ranger and there's Edgar Martinez 14 out of 25 For the M's that's gonna go to Kevin Kane and the Seattle Mariners nice Mariners legend Edgar Martinez If I pulled a Luis Robert On card without a redemption That'd be nice. Yeah, I might I would think I Would put the back of my hand to my forehead and then and then faint That's how it happened. There's Miggie Right up front. There's a Anthony Rizzo to 150 a Chipper Jones to 50 Luis Robert Chipper Jones going to Matt and the Braves and Jeff with the Cubs and there's a class one Luis Robert For Corey and the White Sox the frame Behind Gavin Lux is a Tampa Bay Ray Michael Brousseau Who had that that big home run against the Yankees? Patrick Cologne with the Tampa Bay Rays What's going on in that game Probably should have changed the channel dodgers up 15 1 and the 9th Houston up to says Sean Jaspy. Thank you Last piece off Now it's 2-2 says ATL KWC and there's MOB legend Al Kaline One out of 50 piece of his Jersey Matthew Stubblefield with the Tigers RIP Wow, there was an auto Zerrania bomb that tied it up and that guy Dust off all of your out of Zerrania rookie cards Clevenger to 150 Moe and Luis Robert right there That's still Indians version of Mike Clevenger from Matt Gomes and the tribe another Luis Robert. That's still a class one Corey and the White Sox. Let's look for the other other levels class one two and three the frame behind Juan Soto is Bobby Bradley Love the gold frames right here. These look really sharp Nice Bobby Bradley autograph from Matt Gomes and the Cleveland Indians Next box There it is What a bomb Got that show chain bouncing around there as he runs at the bases. That's a good show chain. He has Jack Peterson's got a couple of good show chains right here He's wearing hat saying that he had a auto Zerrania five-star autograph up on the bay With a buy it now scooped up in less than 30 minutes Logan's like should have put a higher price There's Masahiro Tanaka to 75 Trevor story to 99 Rockies Richard A and Lauren with the Yankees gets the Tanaka to 75 Lauren's looking for Some Donnie baseball There's Giancarlo Stan that'll go to you Lauren and We've got Justin done done done done done that goes to Kevin Kane and the Mariners 14 out of 50 Anthony Rendon There's another Louise Robert. That's a class two Louise Robert for Corey and the White Sox Anthony Rendon will go to rich and the halos That out two bays to 150 That'll be for Matt Matt oh and behind the Red Sox Chris Chris Chris sale We've got a Yankee. It's Aaron Hicks He was a redemption In the last case that we did but here's a lie there and maybe didn't maybe he sent half Didn't sign half It was on a white redemption Which generally means that he was It was really late didn't have time to print the blue redemption I feel like that's definitely what happened. He sent like half in and forgot to send the other half The frame we're gonna put that around top of those boxes there. You can see in the top camera above my head It's not going anywhere Yeah, I mean yeah, there's possibly he might have messed some up and tops like we can't put this in the product Your redemption now Aaron Hicks. You got to do it over again. All right, and the autograph It was gonna be Jalen Davis 11 at 75 a giant going to Lee They might be Giants Does he have big hot dog sized fingers just nuts saying Aaron Hicks Just screwing up autos smearing up the ink.  I'm here all week folks here all week With this high-quality family-friendly humor Next up is Mauricio Dubon Jalen Davis's teammate Lee with the Higantes. There's the next frame right up there It's not manningly class 2 for Lauren Kyle Lewis Xander Bogarts to 99 red socks Matt Gomes Kyle Lewis Kevin King behind Nolan Ryan is a Cardinal Kwang Hyun Kim Cardinals Nick Galvin with the Redbirds Oh nice Gemini getting last-bottom mojo in contenders football Contenders football or are you talking contenders optic basketball? Either way he got the last spot Thank you. Good luck In football nice. All we got to do is fill up that last filler pack and then we are In Brakesville our more done manningly still class 1 JD Martinez to 75 Louise Robert That was numbered for a second Reese Hoskins to 99 Anyone get anything cool on on Amazon Prime Day. I Feel like Amazon Prime Day is just so overwhelming There's Hoskins for Philadelphia That goes to Josh There's the Louise Robert for Corey And I feel like it's a lot of stuff that I don't really need that I convinced myself that I might need all right behind Ricky Henderson the man of steel is Shogo Akiyama Rookie Otto for the Reds Matt Gomes All right next one Whoa nice good good good turn of phrase Mark Rubin Mark Rubin saying Charizard first edition PSA 10 sold for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars Pokemon's on fire. He says I Get it. I see you Mark Rubin Are you a writer? You could write for this show Pokemon is on fire stuff is that was great 25 Christian Yelich Louise Robert Trey Turner to 150 Louise Robert to 99 Nice, I think that's our first at least for me. That's the first parallel I've seen of his his cards. All right, there's another Kyle Lewis for Kevin Kane Trey Turner for Amber and the Nats To 150 the Yelich goes to Steve Locke in the brew crew There's the Louise Robert to 99 That's once again Corey with the White Sox the South Siders And there you go, and there's a class one Louise Robert the out of 99s class 2 out of 99 the frame behind Jesus Lizardo is Mike King King me that goes to Lauren and The Yankees the Bronx bombers and the final four boxes. Good luck everybody That's Freddy Freeman 150 He has been He's been hitting the ball really well MVP maybe That goes to Matt Medlin and the brave could be on the NL side next gold frame behind Eloy Jimenez is Dustin May look at dust may swing in the bat in this picture 9 out of 75 Dustin May's hair got a lot of airtime in this national broadcast today Did he actually might have missed a deep pitch today? Let's look up that box score No, he didn't so I mean he might be available. He's probably be available tomorrow after Kershaw Yes, I did see that. Yeah, there's pictures second photo seems to be them of them hitting It's a nice touch. I don't think I've ever seen Dustin May hit though Which is why I thought it's funny that that show hair flowing behind him All right Dodgers Levi Johnson has my Dodgers gets the Dustin May autograph to 75 Kahluas max Kepler to 50. There's Kershaw. He's batting to right here He should be starting tomorrow, I hope Hopefully Kershaw's back will be better Maybe tops is acknowledging This said hey Pictures hitting maybe a rare sight There's Carlos Santana, and then we've got Nick Solak Rangers that goes to Icappola and Texas That's where the Dodgers and Braves are playing right now last two boxes another Luis Robert Kyle Lewis More Kyle Lewis's is for Kevin Kane and another Luis Robert for Corey and the gold frame Behind the Machado belongs to The Nationals it's Patrick Corbin 17 out of 15 out of 50 that is 17 out of 15 amber come on Joe Nice Nat got him batting as well. I love it. There you go. Good wind Dodgers. Good bounce back Yeah, Corbin. I mean, I think all the pictures are hitting Look there was that Kershaw base card. So I think all the pictures are in their batting Stances now this one he's pitching the Kershaw one had him hitting Maybe it's not all of them. There's Verlander not hitting There was a there was a Kershaw some There was a Clevenger was hitting too. Maybe that's maybe class two different class. Maybe There there's Cindergarten hitting class two So there you go. Yeah, a lot a lot of fun fun cards of pictures hitting their batting stances.  Let's do a quick little gold frame recap here From the most recent box to the first box there's Dustin May hitting So Edgar Martinez down here Anthony K and Shawn Murphy started things off and there you have it ladies and gentlemen Thanks, everyone. That was picker team three 2020 tops gold label baseball. Thanks for watching We'll see you next time for the next break. Bye. Bye