call the meeting to order. And then hopefully Jack will join us when he joins us. I'd like to start out with Lowell Hall. I currently have Susan, Marsha, Sarah, Sheila, Julie, Art, Prudence and Michelle Crescent. Is that correct? Okay. Prudence, did you have a question? No, I was just waving. Just, okay. It's my understanding that we do not have any guests this morning. And because I am unable to see everybody. Julie's our guest. Is Julie our guest? Yes. And as I can't view everybody at one time on my screen, and we have some business that's going to require voting this morning, I would like, I'm sorry, excuse me, I would like to have the eyes say the eyes say eyes and if there are any nays in the voting, then I will ask the mayor to identify themselves. So we don't need to invite the public to be heard as everyone had the opportunity to review minutes from last week or last month. Yes, good job, Sarah. I move that we accept the minutes as written. Okay. Did anyone see anything that they needed to correct? I second the motion to accept the minutes. So did Art. I didn't hear him. I didn't. Okay. Okay. Old business, board membership. I do have some notes from Michelle. So I'm going to kind of be reading them as we go along. She wanted a paid on applications. We currently have at least three applications. She didn't know if there were any more that were received after the deadline and asked if perhaps Marsha could speak to the interview date and process. I can. Julie, are you one of the applicants? Is that your reason for monitoring us? Well, good for you. The interviews are this Saturday. They are by Zoom. And we are once again, going to try to be more uniform in asking everybody the same questions. So I got a list of questions from everybody from the city clerk's office. And I am kind of feeling like, honestly, that this is one of those applications where Zoom works better than real life. So I'm looking forward to getting it done in an expedient way. And, you know, this is my favorite board. So I hope it's going to go well. Look as like Sarah has her hand up. Well, Marsha, how much time will be allocated for the interviews? Oh, it's only three minutes because there are so many boards and commissions and so many people to get through. Marsha, the message I got was that it was six minutes this time. Oh, is it? Well, that's the information I was getting. That's what I, I wasn't sure. And maybe because there are fewer applicants because we always complain, you know, that there's not enough time to do justice to people. And I know we have extended the commission interviews to 10 minutes. But so you're probably right, Sheila, because I tend to do short shrift to those messages until right up on. I think it's good that the people who will be interviewed know in advance the length of the interview because that gives them a chance to prioritize what they want to say and their answers. Well, just a minute. And I won't hang up, obviously, but I'll go and look and Janine, when I get back, I'll raise my hand and confirm whether it's three or six. I'll still be listening. Okay. Alrighty. The positions for 2020 that we need to address today are for President, Secretary, AAC, and TRG after 321, Sustainability Friends and the Latino Coalition. It's my understanding that we need to do a formal vote. And then Michelle will write a letter to BCAA on who you recommend. I offered to represent the board last time, but if there are any other people that would like to be considered, please let us know now so that we can do some voting on that. Art has also offered to continue on the Latino Coalition and Susan has offered to continue with friends. Michelle said that Sheila was considering backup, but she wanted me to verify that, who it's offering to be the representative and who it's offering to be the backup. Susan or Sheila, did you know that? I'll still be the representative for the friends. Okay. And I will be the backup if that's acceptable. Okay. Hey, Janine, who are not waiting till January till you've got the new members on and be part of this? You know, because I was actually just reading Michelle's agenda. Okay. And if it's normally done in January, we can actually do this next month. And I think that's actually a great idea. Yeah, I would think you'd wanna wait till you had a full, all your people. Absolutely. Sarah? I mean, I would suggest with, my tongue is not awake. Now you're muted. Push something by mistake. Oh, okay. I'm suggesting that for the AAC representative that we do take a vote today because they will meet, present to the commissioners I think this month or in January, who the commissioners want to appoint. So they will need to have that recommendation from your board as soon as possible. So in the competition here, I would suggest that we do vote on the AAC rep. So I move that we nominate Janine to represent us. I'll second that. So we have a nomination and a second for Janine, myself, to be the representative on the AAC board. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposition, please feel free to say nay. Okay, then that passes. And Janine, just quickly, I did look at the schedule and if anybody needs a copy of it, I can email them, but there are six minutes in between interview times, whether that means a five minute limit or a six minute limit with no interval at all, I'm not sure, but anyway, it is longer than three minutes. So Sheila, thank you for the correction. So you said you wanted to send the list of questions to Julie so she can be ready? No, I'm not going to do that, but I am hoping absolutely when we introduce her, I'll be asking the questions and I will make it clear that she has been attending the meetings regularly. And Jack has joined us. So Jack, I wanted to let you know that Michelle Chet, Dan, Lisa, Noblash, I believe her name is has indicated that you can continue with sustainability as a citizen. Thank you. Do we have any other old business? Janine, do you know if Michelle mentioned anything, if she received any individual entrusts for the friends board? Yes, she said that Susan had offered to continue with Sheila's the backup, but she didn't mention any other people that were interested in the house. The friends have seven vacancies. What's that? The friends has seven vacancies to fill. Right, that's what I was checking on. Uh-oh, okay. And I think that that was the one thing that she suggested that was actually gonna be in new business but we can discuss that right now that there were three vacancies on the board and that she was encouraging anyone who knew anyone in the community or business members that may be interested to please let her know. I was just wondering if anybody, if she gave a number of people that had an interest on that because I recommended a few people and I was just wondering if anybody did show interest. Not that I know of at this time. She hasn't had anyone express interest. Okay, thank you. All right. Janine? Yes. This is Julie. I just wanted to ask a quick question. In terms of the friends board, do the folks who are applying for that board, do they need to be Longmont residents? And how long do they have, if they do need to be Longmont residents, how long do they need to be living in Longmont? So like a year or six months. Does anyone know? Listen, do you know that? I don't know for sure. I think they, I could only say, I think that they have to be Longmont residents but I don't think that there is a timeframe associated with that. I can ask Michelle, Julie, and get back to you about that. Okay. Yeah, I have a couple of people that I think would be good. But I can also check the website. Janine? Thank you. Yes, Sue. It's me, Sarah. Yeah, Sarah. I, this is sort of going back to the positions but as the retiring secretary, I would just like to say that for those of you who are eagerly waiting to be elected secretary of this board, I think I would like to point out that I have tried to include narrative that's not necessary for formal recording of the business we do, but that I hope will be reminders for board members about what's going on. So if anybody would like to talk with me about taking minutes and particularly doing it with when you're in a Zoom meeting, which is somewhat different, well, I'd be very happy to do that before you leave with the opportunity to be secretary. Thank you very much, Sarah. I'm sure that your input is really going to be needed and appreciated. And, you know, it might or might not be a time for us to acknowledge the incredible work that you have done. I read with tears what Michelle had to express to you and Jack and Michelle. And I know I speak for myself as well as everyone on the board. And again, thank you for all of your contributions. I think of the times that you and I have shared at the table of numerous events, representing the senior center and how much I enjoyed that. And Jack, I'm gonna miss your quiet and elegant wisdom and support more than you will ever know. And Michelle, what can I say? You're irreplaceable in my heart and I'm feeling some emotional aspects of your departures. So thank you all very much for me personally. Thanks, everyone. And Sarah, I do just wanna say to you and to the future secretary that I really appreciate the narrative style in minutes. It is so much more useful than just this happened, this happened, this happened. So thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. I'd like it better too, but it's been helpful to me. And as we bring new people on and give them an opportunity to participate, you know, I wanna encourage everyone that's here today to consider these positions very strongly. I am looking forward to stepping aside and letting someone else resume the president position. And so I encourage all of you to really think about how you might want to take on some of these positions over the next month and then hopefully we'll also have new board members that may also be interested. Does anyone else have any other issues in terms of old business? If not, I'm gonna move on to new business, okay? Under new business, we have done the Friends Board, Elder Justice Coalition grant. The Elder Justice Coalition has given almost $400,000 to Boulder County area or an agency in aging. And Brandy and Michelle will be on the 14 for that grant. The focus is gonna be on training for re-spired judges and community members. Also, well, let's move on actually to reports. And I will list Michelle's report first before we go on. She said the winter go will be available online later this week and it will be in print in a few weeks. The housing authority work continues to be the focus for a few of the staff at the senior center, including Michelle and she is thanking all for understanding their movement to the housing authority temporarily. The senior center is not expected to be open until 2021. And they're saying possibly February and March. February or March. She wants you all, I'm sorry. Oh, it doesn't need to be, at the end would be plenty. I just wanted to clarify with the pickup sites mostly closed, how is the go, the paper go being distributed? The only way that I know of is that I don't know if it's going to be available online but I know of is that the last couple of times an issue came out, they put a big box of the copies out in front of the senior center with a big sign, help yourself and notified people in the newsletter that they could pick them up physically there. I've seen the box and it does empty out on a regular basis and I think that the online go, it'll make a note that they can pick up the hard copy at the entrance to the senior center. And Marsha, I would think that they are continuing to drop off like at the senior center, like it's assisted living facilities, housing authorities, stuff like that because they've always done that and not drop off at the lobby make arrangements. I think they're still doing that. Michelle also says, please stay safe and well and thank you so much to our outgoing board members, Sarah, Jack and Michelle, I'll miss you all. And I also was thinking that and wondering if when we do have any in-house meetings again, maybe in the spring, if the three of you might consider coming back for our delayed farewell party and flowers, if you would be interested in doing that, we'd still love to have that happen. I know I will. I'll miss every time with food and flowers. Sarah, when are you planning on moving? It's uncertain because the building is under construction, but it probably will be early fall. Oh, well, then you are still going to be around for a while. Well, yeah, I plan to be around as long as I can get here. Okay, that's great. All right, I'd like to go on with reports. Marcia, do you have reports from City Council? Well, the City Council has been pretty focused on the Costco project, which is approved by the vast majority of people, although there are a few affected neighbors that are pretty vociferous about it.  And that's a really good thing because it's been an unincorporated county and it's always better to be in control and be able to enforce the codes and everything. So I think that that will sort of be a boost to public safety as well as knowing who the property owner is, I think that it's going to be, it's going to be an environmental upgrade to the part of the city, you know, that we're going to have a business park, most likely, with grass and, you know, landscaping. And they are conscious of their duty to preserve, to respect the greenway, which is an important thing for this, for many of the residents of the city. And there was a calmer, kinder, gentler resolution that we're going to try to get other cities on board with urging the counties that are resisting compliance with the governor's social distancing and safety orders to be compliant, you know, and not to endanger the public by encouraging, you know, indoor dining and not wearing masks inside stores and stuff. So, you know, I think we sort of, I think we sort of calmed things down in terms of people being upset with the mayor, upset with Weld County, upset, no matter which side of the subject you were on, everybody was upset, which may have been the mayor's point because he certainly knew that you can't turn people away from a hospital no matter how badly behaved they've been. So, you know, that was the thing. And then we had an extensive report on waste diversion and, you know, really the only thing about that was just that we can expect our city services to increase and they're very conscious of not increasing the price for burden on individual residents. So, you know, nothing really direct, yes, Prudence. Is the city tracking the occupancy, bed occupancy of the two hospitals? The city doesn't, the health department does, and for a long time, we had very detailed occupancy for our two hospitals. Now, because things are so intense, we only get the county-wide statistics from the Boulder County Health Department. But the good news is that we're in reasonably good shape. We're okay on equipment, okay on staffing, and right at the edge between red and yellow on ICU beds and medical surgical beds, but they're moving in the right direction. So we've had five days of fewer hospitalizations. Yeah, so we are, this is no reason to not be careful, but people appear to be taking this current spike very seriously and all of our numbers are still too high but moving in the right direction continuing to go up. I will say that the one exception is our demographic. For some reason, as far as test cases go, the 60 to 72 or whatever the age bracket is, is that the county health measures is the only one that hasn't taken a downward turn. So be careful. But the assisted living demographic is getting better, although there are lagging illnesses still to be endured. Yes, Michelle? Thank you. I have been personally going and using the being in the pool and I'm curious every time I'm there at Centennial, I feel pretty safe, but I don't know if there's any scouts about how the city is doing in terms of employees who are, you know, kind of present at sites that are open to the public and how if you guys have like a read on how, how, how we're doing. Well, what you would notice is that they don't present staff statistics, although they do tell us when a facility has had to close. They're still following the protocol that says if there is a positive test among the staff, they close the facility, disinfect it and leave it closed long enough to get that process done as well as quarantining the infected and exposed employees. So that will tell you, Michelle, that there have not been any cases at Centennial. Oh, I thought that was probably the case. I thought about the city overall and how, you know, exposures to the public and how we're doing. Yeah, we did have to close the permitting center across the street from Civic Center was closed for a few days. But I think that's the only one. Okay, great. Marcia. Yeah, Susan. You were talking about waste diversion and just something I've noticed even pre-pandemic and now with the pandemic, cardboard going out, I notice it in my area, it doesn't go out and recycling as it should because it doesn't go out. So I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. Yeah. So much to just keep tossing it in the dumpster. Yeah. And I actually asked that question last night because I don't know whether I'm the only person that this ever happens to.  They're not really accurate. They're not really accurate containers. They're not really accurate containers back to the garage. If I had been really, really prompt. And the time when I actually do it. A lot of times people put things in my containers. And they're not terribly accurate about which container they use. And so I mentioned that to Charlie kind of meetings. And, and he mentioned, he said that they would find data. what the cost to the city is for inappropriate sorting, you know, and we even talked about whether it was possible to have an ordinance, you know, it's illegal to put things in somebody's mailbox. Why isn't it illegal to put things in somebody's dumpster? It obviously shouldn't be a federal crime, but it should be an infraction. So anyway, we don't have an answer on that, but the question has been asked and of course they are emphasizing and the sustainability group too, you may have heard about this, Jack, separately. The outreach in terms of making people understand how important proper sorting is continues. Okay. Yes, Sarah. I have a question about just informational about the annexation that you described. Is that area now completely surrounded by Beaumont City proper? Yes. Yes. It's an enclave. Yeah, Jack. Thank you. What's the prospects of obtaining that Costco on the southwest part of down, I think? Essentially certain.  So, yeah, I don't think that there is anything that could really go wrong at this point. There are people who brought, there are two residents of Quicksilver Road, which is not really related to the Costco per se, but there's a deal that they moved the gravel mining east. So there are gravel resources under the area where the Costco would be, and those are not gonna be mine, those are gonna be left in place, but some gravel deposits that are further east are going to be used by the mineral rights owner whose name I can't recollect right this second. They're gonna be accessed sooner than they would have because they're not doing the part where the Costco is. So there's a county road, Quicksilver Road, that is gonna be used to haul the gravel out and that again, would always have happened, but there are two, you know, ranchette owners on that stretch of road that brought their lawyer with them, even though we, the mineral rights owning company has agreed to pay them $180,000 each in compensation for the inconvenience that they'll suffer, but there could be a lawsuit about that, but it might delay the mining, but I don't think it would impact the Costco. Great, thank you. Yes, Prudence. You know, there's a nationwide issue with cardboard and the ability to, one, we find recyclers and I don't know whether Longmont is facing that or whether we recycle our own stuff into something or where we sell it. Because remember, India and China are no longer taking plastics. Yes, and I did not ask that question. We did, they did assure us that they are not having, they're not having problems with not being able to sell it. They may have lost, you know, the price may be going down, but, and we didn't get too far into that in your prudence. So I think you were saying something back and I didn't hear it. Well, the price will go down. I mean, that's, of course. Right. And I have a question.  However, if they sorted correctly, is that another issue? Well, I suppose it would be less of an issue if they sorted it correctly. Right. You know, I have found, well, I actually had to have my trash dumpster removed and cleaned by the city because apparently some vehicle dweller had actually dumped a bag of human waste into my trash and it was adhered to the site of the can. Gross. I know. I called up the service center and I said, you're not gonna believe this, but I can't clean this myself. You know, it would go down the storm sewer or something. Yeah.  But yeah, for me, it's a problem. I don't, I may be the only person in the city that has this problem, but I think we should at least have a campaign that says, you know, don't do this. You could be fined if you're caught. Nobody's ever gonna be caught, but yeah, Jeanine. I have people contribute doggie doodoo bags in my trash all the time. So, you know, I guess it's a common thing. I think it is. Anybody else? Well, I'm just pleased they're putting it in your trash container instead of just throwing it on the street. Well, that's true. Yeah, that's also true. Except for the human waste. Yeah, the human waste is a- It's going too far. You know, I fought to get something done about the people who live in RVs for a long time because I know a couple of them, you know, and they're decent people who have fairly good reasons for not living like everybody else. And I didn't want them run out of town. But eventually you have to say, you know, people you're dumping human waste in the right of ways, we can't have that. And so that's finally why I changed my vote. Very sad about that. I think that's all I- Okay, you know, I was just thinking perhaps if we had a site that we could offer people less and alternative to putting it down in the sewers or in other people's garbage cans that that might be one thing to take a look at. Well, you know, people can, anybody can go clean out their RVs at the fairgrounds already. Again, I didn't hear that. Yeah, anybody can. And I'm pretty sure you can get a voucher from Hope. If you say, I have no money, but I have full tanks. But yeah, it's not like there's no place. It's like that people won't patronize the place that there is. Any other comments or Marsha or questions? Sarah, do you have anything to report on area agent, I'm sorry, area agent one, area agency on agent one? You're muted.  Anyway, there was no meeting in November. So I have nothing to report at this time. Our next meeting will be Friday. It's always the first Friday of the day. And so if anything is of importance immediately, I will try to see that Michelle sends out an email message with that information to you. I also wanted to tell you that I have indicated to the AAA that I would like to continue as a member at large. And I haven't formally applied yet, but I intend to do that. So if I am appointed as a member, I would be happy to serve sort of as an informal backup to your board representative anytime that you're not in. Able to attend and not I am there, I'll try to keep you informed about what's happening. Thank you, Sarah. Susan, do you have anything to report on friends? Yeah, the technology program update, the friends has budgeted $5,000 and the area agency on aging has secured some funds. So together, apparently Chromebooks and Kindle fire tablets have been purchased. They will be given to people depending on income and need to fill in the digital gap that people are facing. The big thing for the friends is filling seven vacancies on their board, a couple of names have come up. Michelle was pursuing and other people on the board were pursuing to see if they could get people interested in helping out. And the other issue that they have to work on logistics because January 26th is their annual meeting, typically 30 to 50 people attend. Of course, it's all virtual. So they're tossing around ideas as the best way to handle that meeting. Okay. Michelle, anything to report on TRT? There was an application that came in for a relatively small amount of money for a refurb or rehab of a bathroom and for a group home. So we had reviewed that and it's before the health and human HHRB, I guess, health and housing, whatever, board for approval. And I think there's one last pass. So it was nothing specifically senior related. Boulder County Latino Coalition, anything to report, Art? No, we did have a meeting, but there works very brief meeting and nothing to report at this time. And Longmont Economic Development Partnership, I do not have anything to report. Marcia, I am one who is on the quarterly list.  Yes, I do. And right now, I think there's nothing particularly of interest to this board that's going on. They are reorganizing their leadership and their staff because they lost both staff members and they've now rehired both staff into both staff positions with two young women that I am very impressed with both of them. And they are rebooting the Advanced Longmont 2.0 projects and I've attended two Advanced Longmont meetings since then. So I'm very happy to see those getting back together and I've jumped ship from the one that's focused on places to the one that's focused on transportation, which will I think be of interest to this board. Although I was not very happy with the focus of that because my personal interest is that we need to push for the reorganization of our bus services to first of all electric buses that are not going to fill the town with diesel and that are smaller so that they can run more frequently and in finer grained routes, our buses, you'd have to walk four or five blocks to get to the buses and to get to the bus services and they don't run very often and all of that. So and the answer I got to that was that, well, that's what RTD is for. Yeah, well, so anyway, there's not a lot of progress there but at least that those focus areas are restarting and with more, I think, engaged facilitators than what we had last year. So that's the good news. Jack, do you have anything to report on sustainability? Yeah, the next meeting is February the 10th and last time I mentioned some things about what took place in the last meeting, there's a four page document from the meeting, chock full of information. I'll see that Michelle has it. So for your January meeting, it should be available. I don't know how people are going to get it but I'm sure someday soon, hopefully that will happen but she will have a copy of that and made available to all the future board members. It's about it. And I would like to please encourage the board to let me know or contact Michelle if you are interested in positions for 2021 and would really, really, really like to encourage people to consider that. I guess, Julie, you are invited to be heard do you have anything that you would like to say before we conclude the meeting? No, I'm good. Thank you. You're good. As always, thank you for allowing me to participate. Appreciate it. Well, thank you very much for your interest in your participation. Jack? Yeah, I have something on health issue that the board should be aware of. A lot of folks are using various types of alcohol but there are some that are imported that are injurious to one's health and the problem is some of them have methanol which is toxic to your body. So make sure when you buy your alcohol for your hands or whatever that it does not contain methanol and just be careful of those that are imported. I don't want to mention the country. I don't want to sound biased but one has to be careful because methanol can be pretty toxic and it should have at least 60% alcohol, 70 is good as well. Thanks, Jack. That's an important one. Thank you. Sarah, is the census over and done with? As far as I know, there's been no local activity now for so many months. Okay. I can add that the census is being reviewed by the courts at the federal level because the Trump administration wants to exclude from the counts people who are undocumented. I'm not sure exactly how they're gonna do that since there was no question but anyway, it's going to go to the Supreme Court having been rejected by a district court and we don't know what this court is going to do although speculation is that they won't allow it but we don't know yet. Quick question. Do we know what our local, are there stats about what our local participation was or response rate? I don't have those, Sarah. I'm up, we never know that. I didn't hear the question. I said, is there a way to know what our local response rate was? Just I know we kind of put out, tried to get people motivated and so I just don't know how successful we were. There is and I can try to find out that information and give you a report in January, I'll see what I can do. Okay. I don't have the statistics here right now. Yeah. Since this is my last meeting, I'd like to say it was a pleasure serving on the board all those couple of years and I wish the board continued success and I'll miss you all every first Wednesday of the month and it's been a sincere pleasure and I thank you. Oh. Thank you. Jack and all of you. And I will say that just Googled it and as of September 1st, Colorado's overall participation rate was 85%. Okay. So that's pretty good. I agree. I did owe what Jack said. It's been great and it's just I love this board and I love what everybody's doing and the focus and I'll miss you all as well. Thank you, Michelle. So we'll see you out there in the community. Yes. Of course. And at our post pandemic reunion. Right. Totally. Our PPP, our post pandemic party. Yes. Okay. Bye everybody. Bye bye. Any other business to adjourn? I do. Is there any other business or anything else that before we take a motion to adjourn? Question for Susan. Susan, in reference to these Chromebooks and things that were purchased, are they for loans or are they something that is going to be given to individuals? Given. Given. Given and would they contact, who would they contact intake folks? I think that Brandy and her team are probably working to decide income and how to, you know, allocate the devices purchased. That's correct. That was my understanding as well, Susan. Okay. Thank you. Susan, a suggestion. If you, if they would appeal to the city clerk's office, it might, and I don't know because there may be privacy concerns, but the city does have a list of people who are eligible for the city rebate program, which is, you know, food tax and several other aid programs that are now it consolidated and issued into a single year and check for people. And so, you know, they might just, if you give- And Michelle said, I guess they had solicited names of people interested in actually using something and then they check out whatever, and I'm sure they're aware of, you know, where to check with the city and all that stuff. If their income qualified. Right. Right. Okay. Can I hear a motion to adjourn our meeting for this one? I'll move. And second. Second. It's been moved and seconded to adjourn the meeting. And I will see you all next month. Bye-bye. Bye everybody. Bye. I am officially outgoing members, bigger bye. Yeah. Bye you guys. Happy holiday. You as well. All. Everyone. Safe one. Keep safe.


All right everybody, now let's go to the next draw. This is actually a very interesting draw because we've got two players that actually played yesterday in a final, playing in this event in France. The Open 13, or the, where is it played? Montep, is it in Marseille? Marseille, right? Mehvedev's the defending champ, he is not playing. He is not playing this event. And a few other names are pulled out of this event as well. We have Barankas, he's pulled out of this one. Also Umbair, pulled out of this one. Magger, is also out, and Yannick Sinner. He is also pulled out of this event. Sinner's having a couple of issues with off court stuff. Big names are playing, let's go have a look at the top of the draw. Steffanoff, City Pass, he is the number one seed. Top four seeds get a buy in the first round. And Steff coming off the loss yesterday has gone straight to France to play again. I think he won this tournament. Did he win this tournament a few times in a row? Let me triple check. I think he won it twice in a row, didn't he? Until last year where he lost it to Medi. But City Pass is like a two time champion here, yeah. 2019, 2020, he won this back to back. So he doesn't mind playing at this event. Maybe an early prediction. He gets a buy in the first round anyway. He'll be playing the winner of Gaston versus Moutay, who are going at it in the first round, two Frenchmen. So no matter what happens, City Pass is gonna play in front of a tough crowd in the second round. Then we've got two qualities going at it. Winner of that qualifier battle will take on either another qualifier or the number seven seed Popperon, who I've been very bullish on over the last 12 months as one of the best Australian players going around. Second part of the draw, and look at that, FAA. Back in action again, no break for FAA. He gets the third seed. He will be getting a buy in the first round. Winner of that, he'll be playing a Frenchman in the second round because we've got Songa versus Simon, which 10 years ago was a final because those guys were in the top 10. Now they're wild cards. So the second, and they're very, very loved in France too, so City Pass and FAA both have very tough second rounds against Frenchmen. Not fun, especially after a good week last week. Both those guys are gonna have to battle. Then we've got Travalier versus Laxinin. Winner of that match takes on either Gombus or number five seed Vashka in the second round. I think FAA is gonna have a bit of a tough week this week.  I just don't know if FAA is gonna be able to back it up this week. To be honest, if he loses to Songa or Simon, I don't think anyone will be upset with that. I think we'll all understand if he has a lap down this week. But man, that's a tough one for FAA.  But interesting part of the draw, we'll see, FAA should get through, but I don't know. All right, then we go to the bottom half of the draw. We've got the number nine seed Bonzi versus Madzac in the first round. Winner of that match takes on either a qualifier or her bear in the second round. Then we've got another qualifier taking on Rune. Winner of that match takes on the number four seed Carrotsov in the second round. Carrotsov getting a buy in the first round. He hasn't been seeded, or at least hasn't been highly seeded at many events. And the ones he has been, I think it was a top seed what, two weeks ago or last week, he lost pretty early. So Carrotsov is in a little bit of trouble. He's having a bit of a backward slide. And he needs to regain some form and maybe this is where he can do it on the indoor hard courts. But there's a lot of Frenchmen in this part of the draw. If he can avoid the Frenchman, maybe he can avoid that annoying crazy crowd. But we'll see. Carrotsov, you know, not a bad draw, not a bad draw. Then the bottom section of the draw. We've got Gricksport, the number six seed taking on Pui, who's a wild card of this one. Winner of that takes on either Elbot or Dennis Novak in the second round. Then we've got Gaskay taking on Ema. Winner of that match takes on the number two seed Rubelev in the second round. Very good draw for Rubelev. But unfortunately for Rubelev, sometimes the best draws are the worst draws because he does lose some weird matches. If he plays Gaskay and the crowd start getting involved, Rubelev might lose to Gaskay. So I think Rubelev's hoping that he avoids against the Frenchman because I think Rubelev is going to get in his own head if the crowd are getting crazy. We'll see what happens. But I mean, Rubelev and Carrotsov out of the top four seeds, they've got the best draw. I feel like Sidney Pass and FAA have a tougher draw than these two guys. So maybe one of those two guys gets through but and wins the whole thing. Let me know in the chat. I think that Rubelev might be able to get through. Carrotsov is a good bet too. I think the bottom half of the draw is where the winner is going to come from. I think the top half with Sidney Pass and FAA having to play Frenchman, I think that's going to be a problem. But let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments below. Who do you think is going to win this event? Sidney Pass has won this before. Maybe that can be something that you're hanging your hat on. People are going to be bullish on FAA to win again. Go back to back. I'm leading Rubelev. I think he's got the best draw if you can avoid that second round opponent in Gaskay. But you let me know. What do you reckon? We've got Sidney Pass. We've got a few people saying Rubelev. A couple of people saying FAA.


Hello, everyone, welcome to this CUBE Conversation. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE here in Palo Alto, California in our studio. It's got a great guest here, Rachel Opsler, Vice President and Head of Product at heap.io or heap, this company named heap.io is the URL. Rachel, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, John. Great to be here. So you guys are, as a company, is heavily backed with some big time VC's and funders. The momentum is pretty significant. You see the accolades and the industry. It's a hot market for anyone who can collect data easily and make sense of it relative to everything being measured, which is the nirvana, right? You can measure everything, but then what do you do with it? So you're at the center of it, you're heading up product for heap. This is what you guys do, and there's a lot of solutions. So let's get into it. What do you guys, describe the company, what's your mission and what you guys do? Yeah, so let me start maybe with how heap was even started and where the idea came from. So, heap was started by Matin Movisate, someone who was working at Facebook. And this is important, because it gets right at the problem that we're trying to solve, which is that he was a product manager at Facebook, and he was spending a lot of money on pizza. The reason why I was spending a lot of money on pizza is because he wanted to be able to measure what the users were doing in the product that he was responsible for, and he couldn't get the data. And in order to get the data, he would have to go beg his engineers to put in all sorts of tracking code to collect data. And every time he did so, he had to bribe him with pizza because it's no one's favorite work, number one. And then people want to build new things, right? They don't want to just constantly be adding tracking code. And then the other thing he found is that even when they did that, then it took a couple of weeks to get it done, and then he had to wait to collect the data to see what data, it takes a while to build up the data. And he just thought there must be a better way. And so he founded Heap with a couple of other co-founders, and the idea was that we could automatically collect data all the time. So it didn't matter if you launched something new, you didn't have to do anything, the data would be automatically collected. And so Heap's mission is really to make it easy to create amazing digital experiences. And we do that by, firstly, just making sure you have all the data that what your users are doing, because you would think you want to create a new digital experience, you could just do that, and it would be perfect the first time, but that's not how it works, and users are not predictable. Yeah, well, you remember back in the day, big data, Hadoop, and that kind of fell flat, but the idea of a data lake started there. You saw the rise of data bricks, the snowflakes. So this idea that you can collect is there. It's here now, state of the art. Now I see that market. Now the business model comes in, okay, I can collect everything. How fast can I turn around the insights? Becomes the next question. So what is the business model of the company? What does the product do? Is it SaaS, is it a package software? What do you guys deploy? How do your customers consume and pay for the service? Yeah, so we are a SaaS company and we saw largely to, it could be a product manager, it could be someone in marketing, but it's someone who is responsible for a digital service or a digital product. So they're responsible for making sure that they're hitting whatever targets they have. It could be revenue, it could be just usage, getting more users adopted, making sure they stay in the product. So that's who we sell to. And so basically our model is just around sessions. So how many sessions do you have? How much data are you collecting? How much traffic do you have? And that's how we charge. I think you were getting at something else, so that was really interesting, which is this proliferation of data and then how do you get to an insight? And so one of the things that we've done is first of all, collecting all the data, making sure that you have everything that you need, but then you have a lot of data, right? So that is indeed an issue. And so we've also built on top of HEAP, a data science layer, that will automatically surface interesting points. So for instance, let's say that you have a very common user flow, maybe it's your checkout flow, maybe it's a sign-up flow.  So we're collecting not only those major milestones, but we're collecting every single thing that happens in between. And then we will automatically surface when there is an important drop-off point, for instance, between two milestones, so that you know exactly where things are going wrong. So you have these indicators. So it's a data-driven business. I can see that clearly. And the value proposition in the pitch to the customer is ease of use, is it accelerated, time to value for insights? What's the, is it eliminating IT? Is it the 10x marketer? What is the, or all of those things? What is the core contract or with the customer, the brand promise? That's exactly. So it's the ability to get to insight first of all that you may never have found on your own or that would take you a long time to keep trialing an error of collecting data until you found something interesting. So getting to that insight faster and being able to understand very quickly how you can impact, drive impact with your business. And the other thing that we've done recently that adds a lot to this is we recently joined forces with a company named Oryx, so we just announced this on Monday. So now on top of having all the data and automatically surfacing points of interest, like this is where you're having drop off, this is where you have an opportunity, we now allow you to watch it, right? So not only just see it analytically, see it in the numbers, but immediately click a show me button and then just watch examples of users getting stuck in that place. And it really gives you a much better or clearer context for exactly what's happening. And it gives you a much better way to come up with ideas as to how to fix it as one of those digital builders or digital owners. You know, kind of dating myself when I mentioned this movie contact where Jody Foster kind of finds that one little nugget that opens up so much more insight. This is kind of what you're getting at where if you can find that one piece that you didn't see before and bring it in and open it up and bring in that new data that could change the landscape and lens of the entire data. Yeah, I can give you an example. So we have a customer at Casper, most are familiar with it. They sell mattresses online. So they're really a digital innovator for selling something online that previously you had to like go into a store to do. And they have a whole checkout flow. And what they discovered was that users that at the very end of the flow chose same-day delivery were much more likely to convert and ultimately buy a mattress. They would not necessarily have looked at this. They wouldn't necessarily have looked at or decided to track like delivery mechanism. Like that's just not a, you know the most front and center thing. But because he collects all the data they could look at it and say, oh, like people who are choosing this convert at a much higher rate. And so then they thought, well, okay this is happening at the very end of the process. Like they've already gone through choosing what they want and putting it in their card. And then it's like the very last thing they do. What if we made the fact that you could get same-day delivery obvious at the beginning of the whole funnel? And so they tried that and it improved their conversion rate considerably. And so these are the types of things that you wouldn't necessarily. I gotta have a mattress to sleep on. I'm wanting today. Yeah, exactly. Like there's a whole market of people who are like, oh no, I need a mattress right now. I mean, this is exactly the point. I think this is why I love this opportunity that you guys are in. Every company now is digitizing their business AKA digital transformation. But now they're going to have applications. They're going to have cloud native developers who are going to be building modern applications. And they have to think like an e-commerce company but it's not about brick and mortar in a way. It's just digital, right? So this is the new normal. This is an imperative. This is a fact. And so a lot of them don't know what to do, right? So like, wait a minute, what do we call? This is like a new, new problem for the kind of the mainstream. Yeah, and think about it too. Like I actually, e-commerce has been doing this for quite a while, but think about all the B2B companies and B2B SaaS like all the things that today you do online and that they're really having to start thinking more like e-commerce companies and really think about how do we drive conversion? Even if conversion isn't the same thing or doesn't mean the same thing but it means like a successful retained user. It's still important to understand what the journey is and where you can help them. You know, recently the pandemic has pulled forward this digital gap that every company's seeing, especially the B2B, which is virtual events, which is just an indicator of the convergence of physical and online. But it brings up billions of signals. And I know we have an event software that people do as well. But when you have, when you're measuring everything, someone's in a chat, someone hit a webpage, someone, I mean, there are billions of signals that need to get stored and that's what you guys do.  What's under the covers? What's the secret sauce for you guys at heat? Because, you know, okay, you got to store everything. That's one channel, that's one problem you got to solve. Then you got to make it fast because most of the databases can't actually roll up data fast enough. So you're waiting for the graph forever, what some people say. What's under the covers? What's the secret sauce? Well, I mean, it's a couple of different things. So one is we designed the system from the very beginning for that purpose, right? For the purpose of bringing in all those different signals and then being able to cut the data lots of different ways and then also to be able to apply data science to it in real time to be able to surface these important points that you should be looking at. So a lot of it is just about designing the system from the very beginning for that purpose. It was also designed to be easy for everyone to use. So what was a really important principle for us is a democratization of data. So, you know, in the past, you'd have these central data teams. You still have them today, right? Central data teams that are responsible for doing complex analysis. Well, we want to bring as much of that functionality to the digital builders, the product managers, the marketers, the ones that are making decisions about how to drive impact for their digital products and make it super easy for them to find these insights without having to go through a central team that could again take weeks and months to get an answer back from. Well, that's a good point. I want to dig into, if you don't mind, Rachel, this data engineering challenge is not enough talent out there. When I call data engineering, I'm talking about like the specialist person. She could be a unique engineer, but not a data scientist. We're talking about like hardcore data engineering, pipelining, streaming data, you know, hardcore. There's not many people that fit that bill. So how do you scale that? Is that what you guys helped you? We can help with that because again, like if you put the power in the hands of the product people or the marketers or the people that are making those decisions, they can do their own analysis. Then you can really offload some of those central teams and they can do some of the much more complex work, but they don't have to spend their time constantly serving the maybe the easier questions to answer. You have data that's self-service for everyone. Okay, before I get to the quick customer side of it, quickly why I have you on the product side, what are some of your priorities? As you look at the roadmap, probably got tons of people calling. I can only imagine the customer base is diverse in its feature requests. Everyone has the same need, but they all have different businesses. They want a feature here, they want a feature there. What's the priorities? How do you prioritize? What are some of your priorities for how you're going to build out and keep continuing the momentum? Yeah, so I mentioned earlier that we just joined forces with a company, MORIC, that has session replay capabilities as well as voice of customer. So one of our priorities is that we've noticed in this market there's a real, it's very broken up in a strange way. I shouldn't say it's strange, it's probably because this is the way markets form. Start up, start, and they pick a technology and they build on top of it. So as a result, the way the market has formed is that you have analytics tools like Heap, and they look at very quantitative data, collecting all sorts of data and doing all sorts of quantitative cuts on it. And then you have tools that do things like session replay. So I just wanna record sessions and watch and see exactly what the user's doing and follow their path through one at a time. And so one is aggregating data and the other one is looking at individual user journeys. But they're solving similar jobs and they're used by the same people. So a product manager, for example, wants to find a point of friction, wants to find an opportunity in their product that is significant, that is happening to a lot of people that if they make a change will drive impact, like a large impact for the business. So they'll identify that using the quant, but then to figure out how to fix it, they need the qual. They need to be able to watch it and really understand where people are getting stuck. They know where, but what does that really look like? Let me visualize this. And so our priority is really to bring these things together to have one platform where someone can just in seconds find this point of opportunity and then really understand it with a show me button so that they can watch examples of it and be like, I see exactly what's happening here and I have ideas of how to fix this. Yeah, something's happening at that intersection. Let's put some cameras on. Let's get some eyes on that. Let's look at it. Exactly. Oh, hey, let's put something, let's fix that. So it makes a lot of sense. And now customer traction has been strong and notice been being a lot of press and accolades online with what you guys are getting review-wise. I mean, I can see dev app, dev ops, dev ops and app people just using this easily like signing up and I get collected all the data and seeing value. So I get that. What are some of the customer value propositions that are coming out of that that you can share? And for the folks watching that don't know heap, what's their problem that they're facing that you can solve? I mean, what pain are they in or what problem do they solve? So example of some success that's coming out of the platform, enablement, the disruptive enablement and then what's the problem? What's the customer's pain point? And when they know to call you guys or sign up. Yeah, so there's a couple of different ways to look at it. One I was talking about is really for the user. There's this individual person who owns an outcome and this is where the market is going that the product managers, the marketers, they're not just there to build new features so they're to drive outcomes for the business. And so in order to drive these outcomes, they need to figure out what are the most impactful things to do? Where are the investments that they need to make? And so heap really helps them narrow down in those high impact areas and then be able to understand quickly as I was mentioning how to fix them. So that's one way to look at it. Another use case is coming from the other side. So talking in about session replay, you may have a singular problem. You may have a single support ticket. You may have someone complaining about something and you want to really understand not only what is the problem, like what were they experiencing that caused them to file this ticket? But is this a singular problem or is this something that is happening to many different people? And therefore like we should prioritize fixing it very quickly. And so that's the other use cases. Let's start not with the group, like the biggest impact and go to like exactly some examples, let's start with the singular and figure out if that gives you a path to the group. But the other use case that I think is really interesting is if you think about it from a macro point of view or from a product leader or a marketing leaders point of view, they're not just trying to drive the impact. They're trying to make it easy for their team to drive that impact. So they're thinking about how do they make their whole organization a lot more data-driven or insights-driven? How do they change the culture, the process, not just the tool, but all of those things together so that they can have a bigger business impact and enable their team to be able to do this on their own? You guys are like a data department for developers and product managers. Essentially, like we are the complete dataset and the easy analysis that really helps you figure out where do I invest? How do I justify my investments and how do I measure how well my investments are doing? And this is where the iteration comes in. This is the model everyone's doing. You see a problem, you keep iterating, you got to look at the data, get some insight and keep looking back and making that product get that flywheel going. Rachel, great stuff, come on here. Real quick question for you to end the segment. What's the culture like over at Heap? If people are interested in joining the company or working with you guys, every company has their own kind of DNA. What's the Heap culture like? That's a great question. So Heap is definitely a unique company that I've worked at and in a really good way. We find it really important to be respectful to each other. So one of our values is respectful candor. So you may be familiar with radical candor. We kind of softened it a bit and said, look, it's good to be truthful and have candor but let's do it in a respectful way. We really find important that everyone has a growth mindset. So we're always thinking about, how do we improve? How do we get better? How do we grow faster? How do we learn? And then the other thing that I'll mention, another one of our values that I love, we call it taste the soup. Some people used to call it dog fooding but we're in Heap all the time. We call it Heap on Heap. We really want to experience what our customers experience and constantly use our product to also get better and make our product better. A little more salt in the sauce, keep the soup, taste it a little bit. Good stuff. Rachel, thanks for coming on great insights and congratulations on a great product opportunity. Again, as world goes digital transformation, developers, product, all people want to instrument everything to then start figuring out how to improve their offering. So really hot market and hot company. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, John. Thanks for having me. It's theCUBE conversation. I'm John Furrier here in Palo Alto, California. Thanks for watching.


Hello everyone, I am Chandrakant Rathod working as an assistant professor in mechanical engineering department, Walchand Institute of Technology, Solapur. Today we are going to start a new topic sand molding at the end of today's lecture. You are able to understand general properties of base sand different types of base sand molding sand ingredient. The following topic will be discussed in this video lecture introduction to molding sand types of base sand properties of base sand molding sand mixture ingredient coming to the molding sand the molding sand is the principal material used in foundry for making mold which is the mixture of base sand binder water and additives. The molding sands are classified based on the sources ingredient or ingredient into three different types one is the natural sand, second one is the synthetic sand and third one is the special sand why this molding sand is required. We know that in the foundry process we need to create the molding cavity in the molding. So for creating the cavity we will going to have the mold box. So that mold box is consist of two parts one is one is the upper part is the cope and lower part is the drag. So this molding box is also known as a flask in this one we will going to place a pattern in the drag portion and we will going to fill the sand and that sand is rammed around the pattern so that after removing the molding box you will going to have the molding cavity in the mold. So coming to the fifth next topic that is called types of base sand. So first one there are three types of base sands first one is the silica sand in this one silica sand is basically a silicon dioxide SiO2 and some impurities maximum 2% like Al2O3 FeO CaO MgO2 it is available naturally in river beds sea and desert. This type of sand is widely used because of its easy available. So coming to the second base sand that is zircon sand it is basically a zircon silicate ZR SiO2. It has high chemical and thermal stability compared to other sands it is generally used as a facing sand for ferrous casting. Next is the olivine sand it is ortho silicate of iron and magnesium Mg FeO2 O SiO2. So it is suitable for non ferrous always it is available in Norway. Coming to the Kamed sand this is one of the base sand it is produced by calcinating high grade fire clay and crushing it to a required grain size. So it is less expensive than zircon and olivine sand. So it has good thermal stability and high refractoriness. So coming to the next topic that is called properties of base sand. So we will going to discuss some important properties of base sand. So first one is the cohesiveness or it is also called as an strength and permeability flowability cohesive adhesive these are the some properties we will going to discuss in this video. So the important properties of our requirement of base sand is as follow cohesive as strength it is the ability of sand particle to stick together good foundry sand have green strength that is easy handling while molding dry strength to be stable after drying hot strength not to collapse under high temperature metal contact. So coming to the next property that is permeability the property of a sand to allow easy flow of gases and moisture from mold the sand has sufficient porous porosity porous permeability that leads to form a blow hole in the cavity. So permeability here when we pour the molten metal into the cavity. So some gases will going to create in the mold so that gases is easily escape from the mold if it is not some casting defect will going to occur in the product. So it is very important that we have to remove the whatever the gases created in the mold. So coming to the next property that is flowability it is the property of the sand by which it can be easily get squeezed around the pattern and help in compacting to high mold density the sand must flow smoothly while preparing the sand and sand molding cavity. Next property is the adhesiveness it is the property by which the sand particle adhere to the mold box surface and adhere to the neighboring particle. Next property is the refractoriness it is the property by which the sand does not fuse when it come in contact with the molten metal. So another next property is the thermal stability a foundry sand must retain its dimensions under high temperature condition the collapsibility it is also one property after the solidification of the molten metal the mold must be easily collapsible. Next property is the surface finish a good sand must import a fine surface finish to the metal casting. Next property is the reusability a foundry sand must be reusable after reconditioning the next one is the easy to prepare and control a sand must offer a property so that it is easy to prepare and control with other ingredient. So coming to the next topic that is called an molding sand mixture and its ingredients the basic ingredient of molding sands are the base sand binder water and additives the composition and proportion of these ingredients depends on the type of mold sand the first one is the green sand second one is dry sand third one is the loam sand and fourth one is the no big sand. So green sand what is mean by green sand so it is the common foundry sand mixture containing base sand clay water and additives it is also known as green sand why it is called as an green sand means it has some moisture in it so for that we are calling it as a green sand the ingredient of green sands are base sand silica sand that is 80 to 80 to 95 percent binder we are using the bentonite clay 5 to 10 percent and water 4 to 8 percent and some special additives is added in the green sand first one is the coldest wood floor graphite silica floor fuel oil molasses etc. Next is the dry sand it is same as as green sand molding mixture but it is dried after molding in oven to remove the moisture completely large and heavy casting is produced in dry sand mold next one is the loam sand loam sand contains more clay than the green sand and dry sand mixture it contains almost equal amount of base sand and clay the base sand is a fine silica sand we are using here so 30 to 40 percent of fine silica sand we are using and binder here also we are using the bentonite as a bentonite clay 30 to 40 percent water up to 40 percent we are using and some special additives is added in this one graphite silica floor less than 2 percent so coming to the next sand that is no bake sand no bake sand mixtures are uses a cold setting resin as the binder this sand is used for making coarse the mixture gets dried in room temperature itself so these are the some references first one is the foundry technology by opi khanna dhanpatray publication second we manufacturing technology that is data may grow hill manufacturing process by ac niranjan this is a textbook puja publications thanking thank you


You've probably tried to buy something online or had to fill out some form for your kid's school and it's really hard on your phone. It's really hard. There seems to be a dark art when it comes to native applications, and they're such small details that you're actually working on. Quite often developers will just throw an input fields onto a page and not really think about the UX that's attributed to that. So they'll think of a flow of a form, but they won't necessarily feel about individual inputs or how a user struggles. We know that auto-complete really helps speed up the user experience and makes filling forms quite nice. What are your feelings and experiences on auto-complete and auto-fill as a thing? I mean, from the user experience, you've probably tried to buy something online or had to fill out some form for your kid's school and it's really hard on your phone. It's really hard. I mean, it's even hard on desktop. You don't want to get up and get your credit card at your purse, which is downstairs. These browser features just really improve the user experience of using a form. In fact, we find that people submit the form 30% faster if the form works with auto-fill. So we very much suggest that developers think about this. You want people to be submitting your forms, right? So if you really want your forms to be submitted quickly, easily, work with auto-fill. Why do you think developers don't do that? I mean, is it very difficult to do? Because I mean, I'm assuming it's just a few attributes you add to inputs, right? Yeah, it's actually not that hard. So you basically need to set up auto-complete attributes and you need to make sure that you're not doing any fancy things that replace the normal select and input elements with other types of elements. I think most of these developers just don't think about it, don't realize that you just need to put a little bit of extra effort in to make sure that your form works well with auto-fill and to test it out. I mean, is that one of the challenges, I suppose, like people making these custom UI things which are not native, but just like divs or whatever and replacing that? Is that where things fall down with auto-fill? Honestly, there's a few things that can go wrong, but that's one of the big ones. Yes, you know, someone wants this really beautiful custom form where the drop down is all fancy and custom. And as a result of that, they're using all divs and the browser can't figure out, oh, this is supposed to be a form. And then in that case, auto-fill isn't going to work. And I suppose there's like a lot of accessibility issues connected that well, it's like. But from your point of view, you've got like designers and developers, they want to do something custom, like unique experience. But then as someone who works on the browser, you want to say, now, let the browser do the work. I mean, do you think there is like a middle point there? I mean, how can developers like at least have a custom experience that's unique to their product, but at the same time without breaking standards? I mean, because this is one of the biggest challenges on the web. So, I mean, there's a lot of things you can do to change the look of the form on the page while still using the select and input elements that HTML provides. You can customize them in many ways. I have to admit, there is one thing you can't customize, and it's the look of the dropdown like in a select element, right? But everything else, the way it statically looks on a page, you can customize and the browser will still know that there are fields.  I mean, I think it's honestly that developers don't think about it, you know, that people don't think to themselves that they really need to be testing their forms in this way.  They're tired, they are trying to fill out as fast as they can on the phone, right? So, I think developers just aren't really thinking about the fact that they need to take these extra small steps. So, in terms of like browser compatibility, I mean, the things you're using will be Chrome-specific stuff or is that like open-source, like not open-source, but it's cross-platform? Yeah, that's a good question. So, specifically, autocomplete attributes for auto-fill, that's standardized. Different, all the browsers respect them. With that being said, there is one part, turning auto-fill off, that's the autocomplete-off attribute, is not respected by all browsers. But if you say this form should be a credit card, that'll be respected by all the major browsers. But each experience, is there like like works per browser? Because obviously that's going to be a browser-specific thing.  For example, maybe they'll be integrated with the keyboard widget versus a dropdown. But I think they're pretty similar across browsers. You work on the actual Chrome UI itself. Yes. So, are you actually building that design encode yourself or are you working with UX designers in that process? So, we have a design team, and the design team helps us figure out what those UI elements should look like. We actually have a big redesign coming up this year that I think is going to make those substantially more beautiful and also help clean up the code, which I know that won't affect most people because they won't look any different, but from our perspective. It's much cleaner. Yeah, and the code's so much cleaner. I mean, how, what's the actual process of you actually creating UI? Because for me, it's like, I do front-end development and code, but it's like, there seems to be a dark art when it comes to like native applications. It's like, and there's such small details that you're actually working on, which the user may not notice because it works, but if it's broken, they will see it. I mean, what is the actual process that you go through with like your Chrome designers to actually making DUI or testing it? I'm asking lots of questions. Yeah, it's okay. So, I'll talk about the process a little bit. So, usually at the beginning, product, end, and the designer will get together and sort of talk about what they hope for from the future. Often, the designer will then come up with some conceptual mocks of what they feel the feature could look like. We'll get feedback from product, we'll get feedback from the engineers, like, can we actually build this? What are the corner cases we need? And then we'll sort of iteratively get closer to what we actually can ship. So, I work on a cross-platform team, which means that what we build has to ship on all of Chrome's platforms. People think of Chrome as one platform, but actually, it's Windows and Mac, which previously had different UIs, but we're coming to one single standard, Android, iOS. And so, we have to have different mocks that relate to the specific platforms. So, some things may be possible for some subset of the... Anyway, the designers get all this feedback from engineers, like, we can do this here or not there. And then we iteratively come through to RedLines, which is our final set of designs, and that's what we implement. So, I mean, in terms of like, do the designers work with the actual W3C? Because you're designing something which has to be considered cross-platform at the same time. So, when the payment request API, like, I was working with some of the team there, it's like, there seems to be things where you have to really be seeing what everyone else is doing so that the experience that you're creating is not so widely different. And that can be quite challenging for the design developer because you're instinctively want to make it, I don't know, better, but you don't want to make it so vastly different because then you stick out. That's an interesting question. A challenge here is that with specs, we try not to specify what the UI has to look like. We try to talk about what the user experience should be so that we can have the appropriate callbacks, et cetera, to build that experience. But we don't like to standardize the UI itself, which is a fine balance because you have to have a UI in mind when you're designing the API. But we try to make it as general as possible so that we can build different UI experiences on top of it. Are you working with the browsers as well at the same time to do that? Or is it you do things independently, because there's a thing of like, if you do it over the browser, then you may be led down a path that's not the best for everyone, but it's okay, it's like a compromise. But at the same time, you don't want that complete disparity. It depends a lot on the standard. Honestly, some of them will be heavily driven by Chrome or some other browser, like they really want this API, they'll drive it and then get a little bit of feedback along the way from other vendors, whereas others from the beginning there's several different browser vendors working together. So honestly, it differs from standard to standard. And we're coming to like the 10 year anniversary of Chrome. What do you think the future of, say, Autofill or just like working with the other browsers? Because it seems like things are getting much better. Like I was speaking to Darren and then say, it's like the implementation of Flexbox was a nightmare because their standard kept changing, but with CSS Grid, it's amazing that there's so much cross collaboration between the browsers, which is great for the end users and the developers working across this. What do you think the future is for Chrome as a platform and I suppose Autofill as well as a specific? So for Autofill specifically, it's hard to say because I don't think the limitation there really is the lack of browser vendors cooperating. I feel like actually, there's been a lot of discussion for example, around payment requests was a lot of collaboration between Safari and Chrome. I think that the real problem we have is that Autofill depends on developer adoption, right? If it's hard for the browser to figure out what forms in the page, we're not gonna be able to Autofill it, right? And so I think the thing we really care about is whether we can developers interested in and using the tools that we've provided for them to try to improve the Autofill experience.  Because I mean, I can see from an engineering who's working on Chrome, you spent your heart and soul working on this feature and then you know it's great for user experience. You know from the research that people like, Autofill will help transactions and it's just nicer. But if the adoption doesn't happen, I mean, that must be, how do you get? I mean, it's the biggest. Yeah, that's a really hard one. I've been through a few deprecations. They can be really challenging. It's very hard. So there are a few ways you can look at it. One is how many users interact with websites that are using such a feature. And obviously that number is large. You don't want to create a pain point for a lot of users, but even if that number is very small, it might be that there are a few websites, a few companies whose entire business model depends on having access to this API. And so that can make it very difficult where, okay, even if it's this really niche thing, it still can be hard to deprecate. So I think there have been lots of ongoing discussions in general about how to make that trade off. So one of the ones I've been involved in really specifically to security and TLS, where if something is making the web as a whole less safe, we may have to break some connections in order to deprecate it. And it can be a really painful thing when you've got old servers on the internet that aren't being upgraded and maybe it's only a small percentage of overall page loads, but it's still frustrating when a user is trying to get to a website and it's broken. Yeah, but I mean, ultimately from Chrome's perspective, it's the user's experience that's paramount, right? And their safety and security. So it's like HTTPS. I think there was, you could probably explain it better, but there's like a cutoff point where if your site is not loaded on HTTPS, you're going to get like a message saying, this isn't secure. Is that that's true, right? For a long time in Chrome, we showed HTTP is neutral. HTTP is just plain text and no TLS. So what's TLS just for my non-designer? Oh, TLS is, so the underlying protocol that makes HTTPS HTTPS is Y secure. So there is HTTP, which doesn't have any of the end-to-end security bits on it. And HTTP websites, we're just showing it's like a neutral standard thing, right? Most websites on the web are HTTP, but that's changed. We went from a few years ago, we were at 25% HTTPS and now it's the opposite. We're at more like 75% HTTPS. So we've made changes in the UI to back that up. So now when you go to a website that says HTTP, it's going to also say not secure next to it. So people don't really understand what that means. Is that, I mean, that decision must be quite tough, though, it's like, in some respects, you need to force the developers to say, like, use as secure as paramount. But at the same time, does it feel like you're breaking the web? It doesn't really feel like we're breaking the web. First of all, I think people have seen this long time come. We've been talking about it for a long time. We've rolled it out in phases. So first, we started showing not secure specifically for pages with passwords and credit card form fields. And then it was for all form fields and web pages when viewed in Incognito. And now we're rolling it out for all HTTP websites. And as you can see, you know, because HTTPS adoption has really increased, it's only impacting less than a quarter of page loads at this point. So really we're just talking about protecting the user. Yeah, and I think users have a right to know that their information isn't secure when they're going to this website and that help them make a decision about whether or not they want to keep using that service or go to another one. And do you think users are quite savvy now to, like, see those things? Or is this part of the education for the user as well to say, look, there are certain things on the web which are not secure that you have to take into consideration? I'll be honest. We have literally billions of active users. So it's hard to say generally whether people are going to understand it or not. We think enough people understand it that they have a reaction and that they can reach out to sites saying, hey, I really like this site, but I wish it were secure. And we see people doing that as we've been rolling out these warnings. The way that cellular networks are set up is that there's always these, like, fringe areas. And there's always these breakdowns. And just higher latency is always there.


Hey, we're still on day three winding down Coming to the stage next on the 21 convention London 2011 the conference of The century the men's conference of the century that is a four-time speaker This is fourth time on stage here at the 21 convention and he was once voted best new instructor and you may recognize him from MTV's made Please welcome speaking on sexual escalation Jared psych Lawrence Thank you Now all of that sounds really great when he puts it all that way But I want to go back a few short years with you guys before I was psych and all that I Want to share with you guys a story That kind of symbolizes where I was back when I first started all this Back when I first started I was dating this girl Gabby Now how I got her I have no idea it was literally like handed to me from God above right and Gabby was my everything She was the perfect girl. That was a girl who's gonna marry that was a girl who's gonna grow old with I my whole heart was devoted to this one girl and Gabby didn't believe in premarital sex and I respected that For an entire year. We did not have sex. I was the nice guy. I was a gentleman About a year and a half of dating her We broke up and then in a few short months. I remember she started dating this Fucking arrogant Army guy eight years older than her and within a month she lost it to him. I was devastated My heart I don't wish this on anyone here in this room. My heart literally went from here to my gut Right and I thought this was maybe like I don't know, you know a fluke or something, right? Like it's not anything on me. Maybe it's just Something that happened, you know with her issues is a bitch to me because how could she do that to me, right? I saw maybe it's just a fluke Well a year later I Started there's a prom going on a prom is basically a big dance that we all have in high school And America it's a big deal because this is it. This is a night where we could lose our virginity If we ever lost he yet tonight's tonight and for me, this was it This was my big moment because I was the last of my friends who have lost his virginity already. I Was actually lying about it to all my friends. I was saying I lost it to Gabby so I was too ashamed of what actually happened so at prom night I find my girl I Last second I found one and I believe looking back the only reason I was able to even get that girl Was because she never got to experience a prom night So the whole reason she was even there was just for the experience nothing to do with me and At prom I take I take with the after-party and I got a kiss. I'm so happy This is this is like the greatest moment ever right now tonight tonight I might my spirits are incredibly high and I'm gonna clown nine Well at the after-party I see her go outside and start smoking a cigarette have a few drinks and I see her start talking to this guy. I still remember his name. I Daniel and She's talking to him and her flirting Now I'm thinking hell now. This can't be because it's not good right so I go inside cool off a bit and go back out and Then I see her giving him her number I'm like no no no not again. This is not happening to me not tonight. This is my night So I go back out. I told my look my best friend John and I say dude go just go in there and tell her look I'm leaving now. She can come with or without me and I drove her two hours. I Did everything for this girl to try to get her to come for this night He goes in there and he comes up to me and I still remember the look He comes right up to me and he's like Dude Just go I'm like, what do you mean just go? I can't just go Right like I drove this girl He's like no Dude, just just leave I'm like why tell me like what why should I just leave this girl here? He's like I just watched her walk in the bathroom With Daniel following her inside and the door closes Just go and Again heart here Devastated I found out the next day that actually is a night Daniel lost his virginity Good for Daniel Not me. I just I just kept thinking, you know, what's wrong with me. It's not a fluke anymore Something is wrong here something is just Utterly inherently wrong with me and I got into the deepest depression.  I look back and I don't even remember vague Memories of it. I remember falling down the floor just crying just shattered I did there was no community for me back then. I didn't know about this. I didn't have the answer All I knew was I went to go see a psychologist to help myself get over this depression and I found a specific type of psychologist I found one I can do hypnotism Hypnotism and I told him I remember point blank. I looked in the eye. I said Sir, make me forget Gabby and that happened. Make me forget.  Make me forget everything That's the extreme. I was going all because I couldn't sexually escalate. I couldn't move things forward. I Could be friends some girls Maybe not even that was not really But all it came is I couldn't escalate things in a romantic level and at the time I remember I Told myself. I'm never gonna be speaking of this to anyone Never gonna tell these stories because I was incredibly embarrassed and If things hadn't changed, I wouldn't be able to stand here in front of a convention full of guys With tons of people watching at home. I'm able to share those things with you So no matter how bad you think things are I want you to remember I've been there. I know what you're going through So that brings me to my talk here on sexual escalation now when I do talk I'm gonna want to keep this interactive for everybody All right Because I've actually it's actually been proven that people don't learn just from a guy standing up here and talking to you Well, you're just listening You're not gonna learn that way. I need participation So you guys want to get ready for this Come on. We just I just saw the energy in the room earlier. Come on. You guys ready for this That's what up to good participation.   But when it comes to game it always has to be for a specific purpose of what are we trying to achieve from the girl? For the girl. What do we want to create with her someone? Comfort okay arousal Comfort we can do a lot of way and it's true though if you escalate correctly She should be comfortable and anytime you escalate you have to reserve her comfort levels always right However, the purpose of sexually escalating in and of itself is simply to get the girl aroused because if she's aroused She's gonna be down It bypasses anything If she's aroused does it matter if you're high value or low value if she's aroused for you does that matter? No Right does any of the other stuff really matter if she's aroused and she wants you when it comes at least to sex Relationships something different, but at least with sex does any of the other stuff out there even matter If she's aroused No All the stuff you learn beforehand all is just to get to this point of getting her aroused Now there's a big problem though. I want to go over the inner game of sexual escalation