Hello everyone, thank you for joining another session on Pilates India Experience Sharing. This time we have with us Paramita Gupta who will be sharing her two-decade long experience and her real-life experience on women pursuing leadership roles. Over to you Paramita, you can share your screen and you can begin. No, I don't want to share my screen really. I thought I'll just talk, right? So good afternoon everyone and thank you for having me in this session of the Pilates Conference. It's an honour to be here. Yes, I do indeed have more than two decades of experience and I guess I have been in many situations where I have required resilience and persistence many, many times. So yeah, I thought why not kind of share that with you and discuss it with you and I'll keep it short. So if you kind of want to have a conversation after that, we could do that because dialogue always interests me instead of me just having a monologue from my end. So a little bit of background about me, I'm in Capgemini now, I'm a vice president but I've been working for 23 years after my MBA. I've worked in different domains and different industries. I started with HSBC and then I went over to Accenture for 10 years and then I've been with Capgemini for four years. And I thought that though I'm not a technical, you know, I'm in the IT sphere but I am not really a technical person but I actually have a code for this afternoon, right? So my code is 131 and I'll kind of take you through what 131 essentially means. So the first one of the code really is a myth, right? Very often we hear, you know, so and so we'll tell you on how to have it all. Now the myth is you really can't have it all, okay? You can't have it all all the time, right? So I think that's true for men and women and when I hear women coming up to me and I have a lot of them, you know, at work, outside work, coming up and saying, how do you have it all?   So the first, I think the first myth is or the first advice is that don't put unnecessary pressure on yourself about, you know, or then don't try to be super women about having it all, yeah? And so now let's kind of move on to the, you know, the second part of the code, right? And that is, you know, my three lessons, right? So the three lessons essentially are I think the first thing which I keep telling everybody in my team and people I meet when I go for conferences, etc. There are genuinely no shortcuts, right? I see a lot of people coming into meetings with very sloppy preparation with absolutely having no idea of what they have to be saying there or doing there, right? That always kind of gets my vote, right? I mean, I don't, I personally really, really believe in hard work, right? Till this day I don't go into any meeting without doing any research, without having a plan and for big meetings I always prepare, right? I mean, focus, so do that. I mean, there are no shortcuts to what you're doing. Also, focus on your brand. I'm sure you've heard about it a lot, right? But it is such an important thing. I think from the time that you've started your career till now, right? I'm 23 years and I'm a vice president and even now when I have conversations with my boss, who's an executive vice president, his main thing, and you know, I talk about my next promotion, his main thing is that you need to be known for something that, you know, you uniquely bring to the table, right? And that's quite a lesson for me, right? I mean, I actually honestly think I'm quite multifaceted when it comes to work and I can do a whole lot of things. And I'll just give you an example, right? My career is a bank up and after seven years in HSBC, I decided to get married and move to Bangalore and I didn't want to continue in a bank, right?  I'll do something wonderful. And I joined a startup. I had no clue what BPO was. I had no clue what mortgage was and I started off doing that, right? Heading a team and, you know, I won the first deal there. I got quickly promoted there. Then I moved on to Accenture to do again a few things which I had never done before. Then I moved on to CapGermany to do IT and I'm leading a team of extremely technically brilliant people. I mean, Sukanya included, whereas I am not the technical person. So I have begun to believe that, you know, I can do anything and maybe that is my brand, okay? But it is important to be known for something that you uniquely can bring to the table. So even after 23 years of, you know, experience, I generally have to narrow down. I can do anything into this is what I'm really good at, right? And this is what I need to be able to demonstrate time and again, right? So yeah, so there are no shortcuts and focus on your brand. Definitely, definitely be known for what people will come to you for, right? What you will uniquely bring to the table and what you can definitely pull off with success. Now, you're doing all this to kind of rise in an organization to be known as an achiever, to be known as a credible, competent person. But sometimes even when you do everything right, right? When you do everything right, you find yourself, sometimes I don't know if any of you have found yourself, but I have found myself in a very toxic environment at times, right? When I had my second child and I came back in Accenture, I found my super boss who's very, very senior in Accenture who is really, really like me. He was my first boss. He wanted me to be part of a particular team, right? But the gentleman heading that team did not want me. For whatever reason, he did not take, you know, probably kindly to me. He wasn't very keen on me joining that team. However, his boss and, you know, wanted me to join the team. I joined the team and I realized that despite the fact that, you know, I was in the right place as far as the work was concerned, as far as, you know, completely proving myself was concerned, my boss wasn't willing to acknowledge it. And, you know, I got into this whole mode of, oh, even if it kills me, I'm going to change his mind about me, right? And I almost killed myself and worked really long hours with the baby and worked through weekends and on paper he changed his mind about me, right? There was like no denying that, you know, I was doing extremely well and, you know, the results spoke for themselves. But then I say it was a toxic relationship. It was a toxic environment, not a relationship, toxic environment. Because despite my working so hard and despite my achieving everything, I still wasn't, you know, being set up for the promotion and I wasn't getting the rules that I wanted. And I think one of the things in being persistence and resilience, you know, and Fransukanya asked me to come and speak to all of you and, you know, she asked me to speak about persistence and resilience. I think one main important thing is that be persistent and be resilient but change the context if that is not working for you, right? Because if you stay in a context which does not recognize you or for which, I mean, even after fighting, you know, I see many women who just like me 10 years were out of seven, eight years back, they're kind of fighting to be, you know, to be recognized, to be acknowledged. And that is great. And in most situations it works, right?  But if it doesn't, then you should change your context. And that's exactly what I did, right? I changed my context because, you know, what happens when you don't change the context? When you stay, you know, you're constantly kind of trying to get your due. Slowly the lack of belief of people around you kind of gets to you and starts eroding your own self-esteem and self-worth, not a place to be in, right? That's absolutely not a place to be in. Sometimes I have seen and I myself have been in that situation, right? I stayed in that environment for some time because I had two little children, right? I had my family, my in-laws and my parents, I don't live in Bangalore. And with my first kid, I used to travel like crazy, right? I mean, I used to be traveling from Monday to Saturday. And when I had my second child, I promised myself that I just won't do that, right? I won't be an absentee mother. And I wanted a job that would afford flexibility in where I work from. Not necessarily all work from home, but it would afford the flexibility. But my main condition was that I did not want to do something that was not intellectually, deliberately challenging. And that was not in the back of beyond, right? I wanted to be visible, right? I was vice president with Accenture already. And I said, there's no way I am. I'm not the kind of person who will be happy doing this any job, right? So I wanted a visible job. I wanted something intellectually challenging. And I wanted something flexible, right? And that particular role, regardless of having a non-believer boss afforded me all those things. So I had my reasons for staying in a role like that. And typically, if you find yourself in such situations, right? I mean, where you're probably having to make a compromise because of certain situations, right? I mean, I've had a friend who took on a role like that because the mother was suffering from cancer and she wanted to kind of devote time to her mother. But then my advice to you is be very clear about the reason that you are in that environment and put a time limit to it, right? Because you should not let that go beyond the point because it's infinitely harmful to you in your career, right? So that is one thing. I mean, work on your brand. Don't take shortcuts and don't get trapped in an environment that doesn't work for you. The second thing I have always seen when, you know, I have, I myself have grown when I was a lot younger. There's a lot of people who probably felt that, you know, Paramita is kind of doing it at the cost of her family life, right? And I've realized that there's an unspoken belief that it's a choice, right? It's an either or. And what I want to say that it's not an either or, right? You can continue to scale the heights that you want to with understanding and support from your family, from your partner, from your organization, right? It's a question of asking for the help that you need. It's a question of taking on what you can choose, right? You know, so it's been realistic with your situation and the work that you're doing, etc. And, you know, I think also it's a question of being kind of flexible and kind of having a strategy on a daily basis almost, right? So when my kids were a lot younger, I did not have a set priority. You know, it's not that every day my work was my priority for 12 hours a day. And I don't be shocked, right? For certain some days, my work was priority for 18 hours a day, right? I would leave at 7 o'clock in the morning and I would come back only at whatever, 10 in the night, right? But there were certain days when I definitely entered this date. I continue to have a priority for the day, right? And maybe priority for the afternoon. And if I have to, not in the corona times, but if I have to, you know, go and listen to my daughter's violin concert and if that means, you know, planning a meeting, having it earlier, having it later, I will do that, right? For a long time, I did not pursue, you know, two children and elderly parents. I did not pursue what was important to me, you know, the hobbies that was important to me. Because the hobby that I really like, which is professional stage acting, theatre, was going to take away a lot of time, right? So though I kept on getting offers and requests when my kids were younger, about four years back, I took it up, right? So I act with a team called Geogriti who are very famous in Bangalore.  But you'll be interested to know that, you know, I have actually managed doing rehearsals even on weekdays. It's a question of conveying your priorities and managing them, right? So I told my Geogriti team that I can either, you know, wind up rehearsals by 10 in the morning. It helps that they're right next to my office. Or I can only come up to six, right? It of course means that, you know, my family has to kind of fend for themselves without me for most of the days for about a month and a month and a half. And they're okay with that. So what I'm kind of trying to tell you, that don't tell yourself that your work life comes at the expense of everything and doing well at work comes at the expense of everything. You'll be surprised to see how much your organization, your team will support you, right?  That doesn't work, right? But I had my entire team and my boss who's the CEO of Capgemini kind of, you know, supporting me, saying that, yeah, I mean, do what you have to, right? And there were many days when I had, I could not go and find my rehearsals. Even right before the performance was supposed to be staged because work was more important than I travel around to kind of attend to something important at work. So what I'm saying is be flexible, you know, plan well ahead.  Okay, so that's important. I think the other thing that's important is for the people in your life to be kind of on the same page as to what your aspirations are, right? I mean, there are a lot of people, a lot of women who often have talked about the fact that you need to choose your husband's carefully, right? Sheryl Sandberg has said make your partner a real partner. I think, and Indra Nui has talked about it.  I think people in your life, right? So if you're living with your parents, you're living with the in-laws, they need to be on the same page as to what is important to you. And most often than not, you will probably get the support from them when, you know, they are on the same page as to what is important to you and will probably help you in kind of realizing your ambitions, right? So that's one thing. I think the third thing, right? The third lesson, well, it's not a lesson really, but the third thing I realized, you know, when in my journey for whatever 23 years is that to be a successful woman, you know, you don't have to act like a man, right? You don't have to, you develop your unique style, right? You develop your unique style and you will be surprised that, you know, a lot of people will value you, will flock to you for your unique style, right? There have been times in HSBC when, you know, I've been the only woman in the whole team, right? So there was a time when I was in the corporate bank and I was the only woman in all the managers and there were about 15, 16 managers. I was also the youngest, okay?  So I would call it out, right? I would call out jokes and humor, which I did not appreciate, right? Which I thought was not proper, at least in my presence. I did not appreciate it.  And that did not hurt me at all, right? So develop your unique style, even when, you know, you are, even in cap, I think in my organization when I joined, I was the only woman in the India leadership team for some time, right? But it does not mean that you are at a disadvantage or you are at a minority. I mean, you develop your own style, you are honest in your work, like I told you, you are quality by now in 23 years, you would have, you would be known for what you bring to the table, etc. So do not act like a man in order to, you know, climb the corporate ladder or in order to smash what you think is a glass ceiling, right? I think the last thing that I have to say, and I do want to have 10 minutes of maybe just questions and answers, is a piece of advice, right? So I kind of shared a myth, I shared three personal lessons, which have taught me a lot along the way. One personal advice is that, just like Sheryl Sandberg said, right, don't leave before you leave. And I have done that, right? What do we mean by don't leave before you leave? A lot of women, right? I mean, we all, not we all, a lot of women, they want to get married, they want to have children. And so, they start kind of retreating from the professional sphere even before the situation has presented itself or almost as soon as the situation presents itself, right? So in her book Lean, and she famously talks about this girl who says, how will I manage this once I have a baby? And they find out, far from being pregnant, far from being married, far from being in a relationship, I think she had just gone on a first date and started planning her future, right? When I say I have kind of done that, when I joined Accenture, my daughter was six, seven months, right? So it was hard. It was hard managing her. It was hard managing being one of the youngest vice presidents at time. I felt I could not say no to anything. I had to do everything because, you know, I was always being tested, which is another thing I think that you need to be clear about. You can always say no, right?   So if you ever feel the need to say no, please go ahead and say no. Anyway, to come back to my scenario, twice, right? Once within a year of joining Accenture. The other time, six months later, I was offered partner roles that would eventually become partner roles once in UK and once in US, right? My husband is an entrepreneur, right? I mean, he was an entrepreneur.  And he could not easily have moved to UK or US like full-time. So he would probably move only for part of the time. So do you know what I did? I mean, to this day, I think how could I just do it? I didn't come back and discuss the proposal with my family. I'm a very supportive family, incredibly supportive husband, amazing parents and great in-laws. I didn't come and discuss it with anyone. I promptly sat there and my mind raced to situations in UK and US where I was probably alone.  I had to travel. I could not manage. In my head, I put blinkers and brakes on my thought process and told my boss that no, I can't do this. So he said, what do you mean you can't do this? You haven't even gone and spoken to your family. So I said, no, no, no, I can't do this. Six months later when it happened, I again did the same thing. And then I came and told my family that I have gone and said I can't do this. They were aghast because it's a very, very uncharacteristic thing for me to do. I usually take opportunities with both hands and I usually never say no to work. But it was just that I left before I actually left. I mean, I told myself I can't do this. The situation hadn't presented itself. Had I said yes, maybe. I mean, my husband when he said, realized that I said this, said no to these kind of opportunities twice. He said, but we could have made it work. I mean, I could have taken on the sales part of my company instead of the operations part like I'm doing. And my partner could have done the operations part. Why did you go and say no? But I had just told myself that I can't do it. I didn't know those two were the only two times I told myself that those are the last two times. Because I just realized when I came and told my family that they were all going to support, my parents said that we could have traveled with you. My brother was in the US. So I really don't know what I was thinking. But anyway, I think it's worthwhile sharing that. Because sometimes as women, we often take on a lot on ourselves. And I have seen this from all my friends. And I have friends who are CEOs of companies, who are head of marketing for global banks. I have friends who are staying at home now and at a very early age they told themselves that they can't do it. I have a friend, interestingly, who's trying to make a comeback after 12 years. Her daughter is as old as mine. And she told herself when her daughter was born that she cannot continue her career. And then I think for 12 years she's fell, okay, not 12 years, but in the last eight years she's felt that she's made a mistake and she's trying to come back. And she's doing a very good job. I mean, I think she's just got a job which is pretty good. She's kind of realizing that she didn't have given up because both of us were mothers at the same time and she's seen me kind of get very frustrated, get very down sometimes because I could not manage everything or sometimes maybe because I was trying really hard at work but still not getting the recognition. So she's seen me do well also. She's seen me get the recognition, get promotions, get good jobs. So she now feels that maybe she shouldn't have taken a break. Anyway, so whatever your situation is, right? If you, I guess you are listening to me because the title of the talk is Resilience and Persistence and the experiences of 23 years in corporate world. I'm assuming that you want to probably stay on in the corporate world. You want to succeed, right? If you do, don't leave before you leave. Don't, you know, remove yourself for retreat from the situation because you think a situation will present itself in future. Let the situation present itself in future and then you might just be amazed at how forces in the universe will, you know, conspire for you and not necessarily against you the way you think. So I've gone out talking for most of my half an hour. I actually thought I'll conclude 10 minutes before but there's still five, four or five minutes. So first thank you for the opportunity and all of you. And it would be lovely to hear from you if you have any questions or if you want to kind of share any experience. So can you take questions? Sure. Audience can put it in the chat if they have any. Or else we also have the Zulip stream. And. Okay. Thank you, Manuswini. Yes. To all those who are attending, if you have any questions, feel free to write in the chat or else you can also ask in the Zulip stream and the Paramita can either will be there or we can get back to her on the questions. Thanks Babani. I'm glad you liked it. It's, yeah. Okay, great. Thanks. Okay. So you know you'll be interested to know how I came about to being a speaker in the session, right? So I was having a, I was having a team meeting and suddenly I kind of break into, I saw a lot of young girls in the meeting and I stopped talking about what I was talking and I asked them not to just drop out of their jobs, right? Because I see only too many people who just drop out of their jobs because they think they will have to follow their husbands. So I'll tell you one maybe last thing. We have a group of alumni from MBA college and there's a senior of mine who I really admire and she and her husband have I think the both continents thrice, right? The first time for her job, the second time for his job, the third time again for her job. So I think they went to Europe because she got a great opportunity and they went to US because he got a great opportunity and they moved back to India because she's got a great opportunity. So don't put any preconceived definitions and expectations of the society of anybody on yourself and think that this will not happen. Kind of try to make things happen. You'll often be surprised. I really want last thing because I worked one minute and I think that actually kind of was quite pivotal. I told you guys as to how I do not want to have a travelling job when I had my second kid. So, you know, I went on my maternity leave. I had a lot of time to think about it and I called up my boss when I was supposed to come back. He said, oh, you're coming back, great news. So I said, I am coming back but I've got some conditions. So he said, okay, conditions. So I said, yes, I've got conditions. I will not be travelling for a year. I do not want to be in a client facing role for a year because I personally find it very difficult to say no to clients. So the clients say, you know, come on a call at two o'clock at that time when I was 34 years old I would have come on the call at two o'clock also. So I was regularly doing that for a year. Though I was pregnant, I was regularly doing that. So I said, I don't want to do a client call. I want to do an internal project. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do that. I don't want to work from six to nine because I don't have domestic health. I have to look after my children. But I want two things. He said, okay, what are those two things? And I said, I want a set of really challenging rules and I want very highly visible rules. Right. And I thought he will say, it was nice knowing you. Goodbye. Right. You know what happened? It was an impossible list. Right. He called me back two days later with a job that exactly fit the circumstances. I was lucky. I was fortunate. But the reason I'm sharing this with you is don't be afraid to ask. Because if you are a valued member of the team, you'll be surprised to what lengths your boss will go. You'll be surprised at what lengths I will go for some of my team members to make things happen for them. So guys, I know I'm top of the hour for me. This was great for me. Jagannath, I'm glad. Yeah, don't leave before you leave. Absolutely. Sukanya, thank you so much for the opportunity. It was a pleasure to be here and to talk. Thank you for accepting my invitation and taking on this topic. We all learned a lot. Thank you for this inspiring session. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. Bye.


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I know in myself included We all learned how to code through my space, right for them for the as early as we were like kids But I kind of grew out of it, right? Like I remember another buddy of mine they used to break a lot here with us back when I did hockey And he told me like that's how he got into like like, you know Designing websites and coding was like my space. He goes dude Like I was so fascinated doing it through my space and what people stopped doing my space and went to Facebook I kind of just stuck around and continue to do codes and codes and codes and you know, it's cool Like I always thought that was awesome, but I kind of just stopped and I didn't really like continue to like to learn Don't do anything. Yeah Gotcha, that's good. Go G. That's awesome. Man. I was in the Navy the time I had no idea what I was gonna do Oh, yeah, no, that's awesome. Dude. Yeah, good for you guys, man. That's sick Well, honestly, guys, I've heard stories of breakers Actually doing a type of breaking back in the day before really like breaking TV was even out or anything Like, you know, uploading kind of like online streaming softwares people would actually People would actually like Literally get a video camera record and then like upload it You know rather than like Livestream, you know And I mean breaking hasn't been around for a long time. Really. It's just It's only recently gained popularity I mean, obviously breaking started at local car shops, right That kind of deal you sell like a random deep division random team You know Box wars, you know case wars and stuff like that, but I remember hearing stories of people actually like doing this In a sense, like they sell it once they were to sell out there would record it And then like upload it Yeah, you had to really trust people really well like really well regs because you were like A lot of trust back in the day Yeah, this is not the cards infinity guy. Yeah, he's like one of the longer ones But no, I'm serious. Yeah, I should like that, you know And I mean for nick's sake like nick was a kid basically, right when he really started this with his dad He was watching other breakers do do this And then um, you know and it came down to it When mike was like, you know leaving tops at the time Kind of wanting to like do something else. That's when they said hey, man I really think we can get this we can really try this. I think this is kind of like the future, honestly the way to sell boxes and cases and And sure enough. I mean breaking is the the real way to kind of move product quicker because right everybody buys a share of the box of the case Via team random division hit whatever and You know, not everybody has to pay the full price point of a boxer case I mean, it was really Nick's vision more than anything He just needed obviously, you know mike to kind of help out with All the real logistics of everything, you know, and and the investment type, you know And I'm glad he knows worked out. I mean Like I said Joe got hired on like around October of 2014. I came on like early February So we're really not too far apart, but obviously They hired Joe to do a breaker where it was me just kind of hop out with the shipping and sorting side So I knew them through a mutual friend But yeah, I was blown away I was blown away when I learned this because like I said, I College really wasn't for me and not to say that like I I wasn't like a smart kid. I think I was a pretty smart kid, but I just didn't I just didn't feel that college would be for me, honestly So I really just kind of Did what my dad told me if you're not going to go to college. You got to really just Find something you like or You know do something and then Like 2011 is when I really really got into the hobby like really got into the hobby I was like Getting out from a my sister's boss at the time, you know um Setting up at local car shops like at jimmy's on sundays and You know kind of helping them sort out through his stuff post up on ebay kind of that's pretty much what I did for a few years honestly And uh really more hustle than anything and then obviously Like I said early 2015 got connected with with bike and nick and them and then You know, I was only supposed to help out for a few weeks honestly I didn't think of it being down the line like seven eight years later, but And then you know they say hey, man, would you like to stay you know? I think we can definitely need your help because we're only growing and getting bigger and Sure, and then you know, they got me to convince me to break and I didn't want to break for like over a year because I was a little nervous But they finally grew out of my shell and then did it and yeah so I mean It's crazy Like obviously like I said, I wasn't nice since the beginning beginning of it, but pretty early on Yeah, I mean that dude stopped for a little bit, but I think he came back And you know good for him. I mean yeah, we also had a website called 10 buck breaks Where every break was $10 Those were the days, I mean you can still do 10 buck breaks, but man, it's really not going to be the best products anymore It would be like three boxes of diamond kings Like a box of draft picks It's not Not what it once was But again guys a lot of those cards though Like you know a lot of these products now although they are going for insane Amounts of money per box the cards that get pulled potentially are getting going for insane's amount of money So I mean It's not like it's a total Total like loss not like the boxes are ridiculously priced and there is no cards that don't make some money back There still is for sure But it's definitely just tougher now Because you're you know, there's not many people only breaking and now it's Hundreds and thousands of breakers to be honest imagine like through youtube I'm pretty sure people still break on breakers tv.  They do instagram like we do they'll do what not they'll do like all the other apps loop and drip and There's people all over the place You know It's just pretty crazy The pandemic really just exploded this market Dude breakers tv was such a great idea. It was such a great idea, but the people that ran that website Just Really did not invest any money. They they had it really good No, that's what i'm saying though.  It was always crashing You know chatting sucked everything and then YouTube just got better and that's why we switched to youtube and we stopped breaking there But that was the place to break if you were a new breaker Because there was always going to be people's eyes looking at you because it was like a channel bar Why not? It's great. Why not? It's a great app terry. You know, we we rub on one for a little bit It's just kind of hard because there's so many people breaking there now and not just breaking They're selling a ton of different stuff. So it's just a big marketplace But the one thing though for a customer I think it's great because honestly, there's people in there that are brand new You know, obviously just trying to sell a couple boxes make a couple bucks and You know, there's times where you're going to get yourself a really really good deal but I just feel like You know for the sellers that are just trying to make it on there if you're not established right away And like I said, there are established breakers on there people People will really take advantage of you and obviously that's your choice, of course I'm wanting to sell there, but they only accept certain people to sell you can apply to sell there But they try to nitpick on who they want to sell and who they don't But uh, I mean it's a cool app though. I mean it's very addicting because it's all auction and You don't have to leave the website. You don't have to leave The app to go purchase something it's purchasing all through the website, but You know it has its pros and cons I know rex I I want to say that there's still a couple people that literally still break that I know We did do twitch for a little bit adam and I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it now, but at the time we did twitch They did not allow us to break so they were always banning us like every few weeks Like their bots finally caught that we weren't video games So they would ban us now. I think twitch allows breaking on there But at the time that we were doing it It wasn't really It wasn't really working for us because we weren't like video gamers IG school. I love IG actually. I think IG we've done really really well Um, you know and again, that's another venture that we established early on before the pandemic that really helped but um Yeah, I remember IG has grown a lot too guys. It's crazy like I remember so many people have asked for personal But it's just so hard to have our channel here And do personals at the same time. It's just too hard, right? So I remember when we wanted to try out IG You know, there was only like five viewers a day Probably one or two boxes sold but then as we consistently went on there seven days a week and you know You know, I can always have great prices. So obviously, you know all of us breakers here You know a good breaker. So that did definitely helped and then Now of course, IG is a total different story IG is really really good for us And it's just so easy, right? Everybody usually has Instagram already, right for the most part Right, you're already on there. Most people love to make yourself a card page. I have my own card page, right? Show of your card collection. You can buy, sell on there and then, you know It's very convenient.  Not that you can't do that on youtube though But um, you know, I really love IG It's so easy to It's so easy to stream to at a show I mean, I don't know if you guys remember when I did the del mar show I tried out youtube on the phone for the first time. I actually wasn't bad. I think it was pretty easy I kind of liked it a lot, but you know, obviously YouTube's a little bit more on the professional side, you know, we have cameras there with cameras in the face cam We have a third camera. We have a nice microphone But I really did like streaming on youtube on the phone. It was pretty cool But yeah, I think twitch does allow now But at the time when we were doing it, they weren't allowing it So we just kind of just gave up on that and a lot of people really like youtube I mean, honestly, youtube is very crisp. It's clean You know something else that a lot of people actually have already downloaded anyways All right guys two more boxes and then we'll go through the cards Yeah, like I said, there's There's a lot of breakers everywhere now You should rex. I mean, why not? I've sold I sold a couple of cards and bought a couple of cards through instagram Obviously just like anywhere else just like facebook and ebay. I mean obviously just You know, I'll try to make sure you don't get scammed But for the most part, I mean there's there's a lot of good honest people trying to sell their cards on instagram I recently have been posted a lot of shit on mine, but During the pandemic like 2020 and early 2021 I was posting a lot of stuff A lot of stuff Yeah, I've met some good customers through instagram and like I said bought and sold through instagram too I'm at the end of the day G though. It's you don't have to I don't think I don't think you should take it as like you have to show off like whatever card that you love It doesn't even have to be like An rpa one-on-one or something, you know something expensive I mean I've posted a lot of my mouse out of scars and they're not worth that much Yeah, I I still buy three bit too cherry, but I try to avoid ebay I've I've acquired a lot of my personal cards through customers that I've met like off ebay And especially like you guys that I hit for you guys and I try to make a deal out of it Um, I'd rather do that than go to ebay unless of course I can't find the card and it's really tough you know so But um, obviously ebay is very safe. I try to just help out more People direct But yeah, ebay is getting a little greedy Ah, I got you gila. That's cool, man.  Can I open this? I'm like, yes, you can But again, they're only doing that because there's a lot of people that scam in the world ebay of course is becoming a big place to do that But yes, um One time I think I heard from one of my instagram customers that They were selling a card that was real legit real and They obviously had to send it in to authenticated before but they didn't pass it Which like the card was like from panini.  You know, it's just It didn't pass authentication. It's like what? But for raw cards, I think you know, especially Potentially someone that can be trimmed slash like reprints. I guess kind of do then that does help Fake autographs, but I mean, I don't know Like how can you say that something's not authenticated if it's coming directly from the company? I guess it has this pros and cons. I guess Although one time I did help all one of my buddies. He was selling a stef curry rookie And ended up selling for I don't remember how X amount of money and he sent it in for authentication And then they realized it was trimmed And he didn't know those trims. So obviously he refunded to do back But then he also got his money back from a previous guy piece I don't even think that guy knew it was trimmed When he sold us in Yeah, actually it's something like that that I get for sure, but Yeah, I think wording ebay auctions is a big big thing You need to make sure you do that, right? But how I mean Was it fake though? I don't think it was right? All right guys, here we go last six Bed really own All right guys, here we go continue on Noel first for Cleveland I see an orange coming up. I don't know if that's an auto or that's just a color, but We'll find out right now louise jill to 25 water franco rookie the your favorites And we got andry laura To 150 and that's for the washington nationals which I believe we're in the in our uh In our east Yes, in our east Which is matthew paper tristan casas Someone purchased a jet on ebay First of all, why the hell are you selling a jet on ebay? I mean I get ebay has all the eyes right but He does travis. He's just on vacation and he wasn't able to make it in today So You'll see him soon again On a little vacay Well, yeah, see that's the thing some people will sell will fall for those For sure To my knowledge he should be back tomorrow, but if he's not then he'll be back sunday for sure I assume by then um Maybe he just took an extra couple days off Matt fraser, but uh, yeah, he does sunday to thursday I know he was going out of town for the long weekend Um, so maybe he just hasn't made it back yet or something So Tristan, yeah I'll rest up before the national so which is all good If I'm not covering then it'll be chris obviously vice versa um But I think uh, like I said chris Technically was out today and then teddy wasn't able to make it today. So I was just the lone wolf over here Sounds like kind of had to do double duty But tomorrow somebody will either like I said cover joe if it's me if not I'll be on ig and somebody will cover joe vice versa Ooh redemption chrome prospect autograph of taylor, uh Whitaker For the houston astros al west brand croft our four more boxes guys coseradriguez victor lavarada Oh, wow are the dodgers playing or not Terry damn I'm not used to like looking up dodger games anymore because like for the longest one spectrum wasn't available on direct tv here in LA I didn't really watch it And then I have u2tb at home now And I don't have that channel either. So I kind of just forget that they're actually Sometimes playing and like I said for me, it's just such a long season That's right bottom of the seventh one nothing colorado the base is loaded one one pitch Yeah, bobby. I'm I'm the lone breaker here today a couple people are out so I have been doing personals here on youtube I just haven't been able to go live on instagram And I probably won't be able to because I am kind of booked until like 10 30 So if you are interested in doing a personal I can do one. It's just gonna have to break here So you would pay like you normally would on jaspies.com And then it's a quick quick break. I can just squeeze it in I can squeeze it in In between breaks. Whoa corner long to 150 Or to 100 sorry atomic If not, like I said, I'll put you on the on like the list and then you'll be after a group break or something like that But I don't think I'll be able to actually go live Yeah, no problem, man If it's something quick like I said, I only have I'm about to finish this break in like 10 minutes I only have obsidian basketball that sold out and then after that I'm free It could be a group break. It could be a personal whatever you guys want So yeah, no worries, man But tomorrow like I said, we should have more people in tomorrow So if I'm here covering again tomorrow, then we'll have someone cover for ig. So It was just like today was kind of a Kind of just like a weird new day. Yeah, no problem, man so There's a schedule that drops. I don't know if you've seen it. It says nightbot filler plus schedule If you click that google doc that'll unlock Open up a schedule for you And then you can kind of see the time frames of what what's up next and what's what And then like I said, if you buy something I can squeeze it in in between a break or after a break really quick earn ashby And that goes for anybody, of course I know marin and niggah thing posted up on instagram earlier in stories and posts, but obviously Some people don't always look at that That's all the royals are two calendar. What what are the royals channels on and what they don't have a contract either with the the cable provider Yeah, dude, I remember like When spectrum, you know got Dodgers and Lakers I remember Dodgers, I think were first Right, there was like a petition for like direct tv to have Dodgers on their channel and I don't think they got enough traction and enough complaints So they never brought it back, right Until they weren't gonna deal with with spectrum But the minute the Lakers went spectrum and they went off for like two three days I remember this They went off for like two three days because direct tv couldn't come up with a an agreement I swear like two days later Direct tv brought back the Lakers like that They didn't do the Dodgers, but they brought back the Lakers I was like, man, that just goes to show you man people here in l.a Love their Lakers and most people here in l.a. Do have direct tv or spectrum, so I just remember I was like damn, dude, not enough Dodger fans were complaining about that I know a lot of people that actually just switched from direct tv to spectrum Just to have that and then like the pack 12 network I don't think direct tv still in this area has the pack 12 network Bobby Delback Ow, ballet sports. Yeah, that's where the kings play now Kings and angels do ballet sports But yeah, well, that's the one thing Terry That's why I became an Eagles fan because when I grew up here in the 90s There wasn't really any football teams here. They were all gone. So Forced me to venture out. So yeah, I loved it when there was no teams here I mean if the Raiders were playing in the morning Most likely they were showing at least the Raider games But yeah, everything else they weren't really showing But now for sure if there's a morning game for one of those guys away or a one-a-plot game They're always going to show them Backstrom Yeah, ballies doesn't have their own streaming app. Yeah, I don't I actually don't pay for that My my mom my actually my brother has direct tv at my parents house. So I just log into his direct tv account under ballet. So I don't have to pay for it But yeah, no, I'm sure all those streaming softwares are probably expensive too The only plot I mean I pay for a lot of different ones, honestly But the only ones I definitely use and pay for is definitely Netflix Hulu And then I have like the Disney bundle. So it's like Disney Hulu and ESPN plus So that's like what 10 $15 whatever it is. And then I got piggyback off my sys like I have amazon prime So my sister's like my sister in law and my sister use amazon under my account.  They'll do like using UCLA here in southern california playing against all those teams in the big 10 That literally are gonna be like cold as hell and snowing I don't think those guys are used to that all those LA people here And matt frazier to 499 I think they realigned in 2024. So this year and next year It'll still be pack 12 So they got a couple of years basically Well, that's the one thing they were talking about on ESPN today technically Yeah, that's the funny thing Jilo pack 12 was looking to get a new tv deal Um, but they were talking about Notre Dame actually because Notre Dame honestly, they don't really need to do anything, right? They're perfect the way they are when it comes to football But it could be an opportunity for a conference to pay big money to have them come to their school You know if if or come not come to their school come to the conference But like they were saying like they don't really need to be in a conference. They're they're good the way they are Louis Montos, but yeah, it's all about money But I still love college football and I say I think college football is so exciting to watch live I've been to a lot of Oregon games here downtown and here in LA against USC use the LA and the world's bowl games I've been to Just haven't caught a game up in Eugene, but I will eventually but uh cultural is fun Oregon actually starts this year their first back-to-back years playing against Georgia, which should be fun Yeah, they'll probably lose but You know their coach Obviously is uh the former defensive coordinator for Georgia. So it should be fun Grave recruiter as well And we have Frederico Polanco Controversy Joe Pizzo. What are you trying to we're trying to stir up here, huh? All right last blocks here folks. Good luck. You know, either either Joe's gonna spill some very very juicy news or or It's gonna be like Rex's news from Fox news Oh Well, I guess that is kind of a juicy controversial news, right but not I was thinking it was gonna be like a show here or Mike Trout or somebody bigger, but Uh round here quintero for the Cubs But what's going on? So you're saying Austin Meadows and Randy Rosarena that is 100 not their autograph and both signed by the same player Like every single one of them Like every single one I haven't seen I haven't pulled one yet. So I don't know Are they trying to say that they got out of it from signing and they just like That just happened. I know right? I'm just messing with your x Because we all know it's fake Did you start this uh controversy? Or is that everywhere I'm trying to say like if it's something that you've only seen so I'm like, okay Joe, he might be on to something, but is it really a controversy? Rex, uh, uh Joe's just trying to be the first on the first on scoop Take credit off all the blowout forms that are about to happen I believe you I believe you You can say that to me though Joe Pizzo don't speak lies. He speaks only facts Allen serda Well, that's the whole point rex. I mean you do comparisons, right? I mean All right, so on top of this we got one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 12 And now actually that buyback one of Justin Morneau was really cool out of six So I appreciate you guys that was the break that was the random division number three That we've done here. I think we do have more cases. I don't think I have I got an chance to post up another one But if I if it's not posted up yet, I will post up another. I think we have enough for another one or two So appreciate you guys Jaspies case breaks comm


Good morning everyone and thank you for being here. It's great to be back in Etobicoke. I want to thank Amarjit for his hard work on bringing infrastructure projects closer and closer to reality. The investments that we're making as a country are historic and Amarjit's thoughtful leadership and coming from a municipal perspective has been very very strong in leading the federal government's re-engagement in building infrastructure particularly public transit right across Canada. Of course we couldn't do that without tremendous partnerships both with the Premier and the provinces in general but also with mayors across this country and I'm happy to highlight the presence of two friends who have been strong leaders in their own communities and and leaders on infrastructure. Mississauga Mayor Bonnie Cromby and Brampton Mayor Linda Jeffrey as well along with other municipal leaders and of course great members of our team. I want to specifically thank Premier Kathleen Wynne for joining me today to talk about this exciting announcement for people living in the GTA and indeed all Canadians. Last year our government introduced an ambitious plan to help hard-working Canadians get ahead and build a strong economy for the future. With Budget 2016 we took the first step towards ensuring that public transit systems can get people to work on time and at the end of the long day back home faster to their families. Here in Ontario we announced nearly $1.49 billion last year to help repair and upgrade public transit through the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund. And these investments are already making a difference in the lives of Canadians across the country. It is one of our priorities to invest in our communities because for almost 10 years the municipalities and provinces did not benefit from the federal support they needed to ensure that the transport services can respond to a growing demand. More families are choosing to settle in communities like Etobicoke, communities that allow parents to work in the big city and allow kids to ride their bikes on the street. But for many people things aren't that easy. Parents can't see their kids off to school because they have to leave early to catch the train in the morning. And when thousands of other commuters like them are rushing to get home at the end of a long day they end up missing soccer practices, school plays and family dinners. Hard-working Canadians deserve better. Budget 2017 continues to make investments to help build stronger communities for folks here in the GTA and across Canada. So today I'm happy to announce that our government will be investing more than $1.8 billion in the Go Regional Express Rail network. Along with the provinces contribution this investment through the new Building Canada Fund will be the single largest transit project in which the federal government has ever invested in. These funds will help improve the lives of millions of Ontarians by making sure that students make it on time to their first job interview, that parents make it home early to help their kids with their homework and that families enjoy what their community has to offer whenever they want. The Go network will mean a faster commute, less time in traffic and more money in people's pockets as they trade their cars for public transit. And on that note I really want to re-emphasize my thanks to Premier Wynn for her leadership on this project. Similarly over 300 projects have been approved in Ontario under the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund. These investments will help shorten commute times, decrease air pollution and transform the way Ontarians live, move and work. We recognize that we have to work with our partners in provinces and municipalities to make the economy grow and strengthen the middle class. They know better than anyone else the needs of their community. They know what needs to be done and we need their expectations to improve the lives of Canadians by investing well. Today's announcement is an example of the kinds of things we can accomplish when we work together to make a real difference in the lives of Canadians and make our communities even better places to call home.


Qerfans ar gymryd rhaid i gynrych yn excessi i ranc neid i'r canhylchwynt o'r ddechnie diet. Rwy'n berthynas i ddwy'r bod hwnnw i ddweud 10 o 15 miliwn. Rodi Ministry i gwin i ddweud hwnnw i ddweud ddweud. Rwy'n ni i'n meddwl siaradau roedd dadlaethu er ffordd. I fan atliad, fyddech chi'n meddwl i'ch pleidio, ond i'n meddwl i ddweud hwnnw i ddweud. Si'n cael ei ddechrau i ddweud y llythgrifennu, ond os ydych chi'n cael ei ddweud? Fe gyd yn bwysig i ddweud y cyffredin o'r cyffredin yn gyffredin, a nid oedd y ddweud ei ddweud eich ffapt ynghylchu?sylwch chi'n gwrs, mae hyn arall, ystod y dyma, mae'n golygu'n gwneud y dyma, mae'n cael ei ddweud, mae'n ganddo, mae'n ganddo, a ddweud yn cyfweld, ond y rôl eich bod yn gwneud eich cyffredin, yn gydag 5 gyrsach, Next season, there's 10 million back immediately just on your placens without telly and without anything else. I would suggest if Everton got hammers or Rodriguez, all of a sudden that creates more of an interest for someone like Sky because you're getting this player who is a, he is a well-known player. It'd be more the international market wouldn't it be the South American market? Every market and properly. We have fed this dream a couple of years ago when we signed all those players that these players would get us to a position on the bronze cube and buy and then toast something. In theory it works, same as buying young players and developing them, same theory. However, the young players retain the value and it's not as much of a risk in terms of long term transfering over the squad. But as I say, it's not my opinion, it's not my decision. What about Davey Clashon? 24 million and we sold him for 13 million. But I agree with that. The issue with Davey Clashon is he just couldn't play at the level. So immediately you're losing value Davey. So that's again, that's the exact science of transfers. I just think that he was here, he made the points, it was really good. Kevin's points, there is real value in that. There is like that. If you get those, it's never good to predict, but what you have to look at sometimes I think that makes it an easier pill to swallow. I think if your outlay is 75 million and it's those three coming and obviously we sell and all that, great. But if it's 75 million, forget the wages because players get paid anyway. Forget the wages. If everything could say, well, you know what, we're going to, these three players are putting us in the top eight every season and that gives us, guarantees us four, five, better, 10 million a season. Let's use that rather than 15 of things a bit of a stretch. But say it's, there's almost half, well there's 30 million from it back just on prize money because evidently they're able to finish in that top seven eight places. So immediately it's half the risk of everybody. You're right, you want to develop from that and you look to get money back, but then there has to be a couple of players you get back to. I'm just one of those people who looks big a pitch. I understand that and if you could do that, it'd be fantastic. The club does need your help, we definitely do. No matter who plays for the team, it's around 12 million. But yeah, I think that's key. My issue is when you get to the point of get to your, when you want to go to that next level, you saddle them with players. But how do you get to that next level though? Just hold on. Come on. Will people watch me now? No, no, no, no, go on. By signing pro players, are you alone? Yeah, I don't, I just don't agree with that at all. So no see who does it. Right, hold on. This is where I don't get right. Where is, who else has done this that's gone to that next level? I just don't agree with that. No, I don't agree with that. No, listen. There's evidence. There's facts. I would say to you this last night, wolves have proved that I don't get it. But they're not stuck because they got to the level, that's not the level we aspire to. That's their level they aspire to. Within the bottom half, the point being is, wolves have come up from the championship and got to Europe in their first year. Right? Okay. Second. First. No, that was the first. First, sorry. Right, they've got to the same position in the second season, which was seventh, right? It was only, didn't make Europe because obviously asked no money. They're in a much better position now by having those, by bringing those players in financially. They look like they've only been in the, this'll be the third season. They haven't got the property. They're not financially doggers. But they're a lot more financially secure if they'd come up and add a little wobble and be like, and finish like real or have. We've got all these young players, like Jack Grealish. I think you've got, sometimes you've got to have just a little bit of live in the real world a little bit and go, it can't deal each club, every club that builds themselves up using young players are normally already well established for bull clubs or just, just, it just happens for them. It's a lot less, though. One in the league, though. One in the league with Morgan. But there's more. You ever deal with still, hang on. I don't, I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you can, you can not look at it the other way and say, if we were to buy three players now, I'd rather go out now and go and get three players who are well established and waste money on them. Establish the lockdown. But doesn't matter, if they're established. It's a theory that they're going to be well established. But then you've got to, hang on. No, it's a theory, though, that going out and getting young players. Young is not 24. Leucadine cost, it was 24. I'm not asked. If you've got five Leucadines in this team, the team would be miles better. We can't, we will not get five Leucadines. We can do that out there. We can't, I keep on, right. This is where reality's got to hit. Whatever in football club, right. We've got no name in the game at all. This is defeatist. It's not defeatist, it's reality. It's absolute reality. I'm coming in in a minute. It's reality. It's absolute reality. We are not looking. No, we are not looking. We are not looking at that market because we've already got loads of kids, right. What we need right now is established people to come into this squad who are good players. You think, in theory, they're good players. But you don't know whether they'll be able to play in the Premier League. One of them we know can't, that's a given. The other two or three, it's a gamble. But it's the same. I've said this to 40. Look, Shabshanko came here at 31. He was not the same player as he was in Italy. It's a risk. You put everything to risk. I'd rather take a risk. For my sake, the risk is covered by the fact that you're likely to get your value back if you need to sell them a season later. We will not be able to sell. Say it right. Sound, yes. Touch wood doesn't matter. But if you're sixth from bottom, then what are you going to do? Or is that like, let me just jump in, Matt. Oh, I like the passion. You've both made your points, right. Hang on. Oh, you've both made your points. Like, where I disagree, I agree and disagree. You're saying things like, we can't get players like Luca Deane. We can't. We're quite clearly can't because we're still a Premier League football club. We could get any of those level of players, right. However, if the club aren't looking at that, they're not looking at that. That's fine, yeah. But they're not... Lester, Lester are very much an outlier in how you do things, I think. Because they won the league with a squad. I bet you've put the 80-13 at won the league. It will have been very... They've been 29. They've been two centre backs at 30, yeah. Two centre backs in the 30s. You're at... Where's the right back? Right back was Dengie Simpson. He was about 30. He was about 25. The goalie is 28, 29, then cos he's 33 now. You've got 32. So, I reckon, just off the top of him, yeah, they had... O'ch oesach, he was 30 odd. For me, their league, three in that won the league will have been about 28, 29, right. They had a couple of younger ones. Mahrez was 25. Cante was 24. Drinkwater was 24. But that was a free. They rode the crest of a wave from staying up and then won the league. They done brilliantly and they deserved it cos they got more points than anyone. So, they deserved it. But then that was 2016. Four years later, they finished fifth, right, but they still got winners from that team. Fadi, you know, the keeper, still a couple of other players. What they've done well is they brought in Diddy Inn, who's been brilliant. Madrason's bang after this, we know that. Harvey Barnes is a lad who just does a decent level. I wouldn't love him a level, he's a decent level. Pérez is a bit of, he's easy ozy, mate. He's five, six goals on his arm. He's a man of 80 lemons. I just don't. Two lemons are very good footballer, but I don't think he was as good this year as he was the last half or last year and I think he'll move on. So, they've added some nice players. Don't get me wrong, but they're all that. They're starting from like better, the base where you knew what you were getting. And that's what I want for my team. I look at my team and go, Alex Oboby, 23 years of ace player for Arsenal. Look bright and sharp. Great, we've got him in. He's been pathetic, really. He started off all right. And he's gone downhill. So, we can't afford many more Alex Oboby's. Doesn't matter if he retains his value. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you get players in who retain a value, but your performance levels 13th and 14th, it's costing you 10 million anyway. Whereas the core rate is no gamble for me. It's not a... Well, every player is a gamble, but the core rate is Premier League ready. It's played here for four years. Scored goals, 17 goals were offered, I think, in four years from midfield. On nine, our home of field got last year or less than nine. So, therefore, he comes in. He's not a gamble. Alan is a gamble, but what Alan also is. He's... I've said this to you before. He's just tempo-setter. So, we'll go around, snap people, he'll engage people. He knows how to play the position. Let me just quantify something I just said though while I was talking about it. And I've said this to you both a few times this. We probably do us... We probably do look at a lot of these players that we want. It's just that. Look at Sar. Sar's just gone to Chelsea, right, to day three times if he's going out on loan. He's picking Chelsea all day over us. We'll only learn Tester. No, but if we were in Tester, though, he's still... This is what I'm saying is that. When I say we've got no name in the game, this is the problem. We established with the Gabrielle situation. We can find players all day long and maybe that's a weird situation because we're not going to get them. But in the end of the day, if we see these brilliant players, we never pull... We never get them early enough because we aren't going to risk. Where other clubs, like bigger clubs, like Chelsea, who are bigger at the moment, we'll bring them in and go, well, we'll stick here on loan. Because they've already got that plan in place. That's what I'm saying. That's where I am with this. It's like, I haven't had no plan for any of this. So, someone like Sar, we would be a brilliant sign. But Chelsea, when we've got this plan, it doesn't really matter if it fails on RBR because we'll just sell you. We don't seem to have that plan. That's why it's like... I get what you're saying, because you're putting the plan in place, and that's brilliant. I understand that. The problem is this club just isn't doing that. Well, I think we have got to have an expectation. No, no, you haven't. No, I have. You've got the right idea. No, no, you've got the right idea. Maybe I have, but I expect that from the platform. No, no, and that's the point where I'm just bringing it back to reality. And saying, we ain't doing that. What I'm saying to you is, the light, the light. For me, the way I look at it is, it's got to be somewhere in between at the moment. Chelsea are doing it from a very... Can't compare to Chelsea. No, no, I'm saying. But Chelsea are doing it from a very strong position, and they've just finished third or fourth, wasn't it? They could have won the FA Cup. They finished fourth in the Champions League. They've got good players anyway, and it's like what I've just mentioned with Leicester. Chelsea have still got players that won the league with Conti. They're still a strong team, and he's had a younger player. So they're doing it from a position of strength. It's much more difficult to do it. To lower down the league, you drop Liverpool fan that a few years ago. Klopp was like, get Mark, I'm going to get him, and Royce was like, lad, turn around. Do you want 80 fish pumping? Yeah, he's first choice for any of them. Royce left it to me when it's pumped to the video. He's a man instead, yeah. Exactly. So, you know, it did work out, but you never know, do you? But what I'm saying is, but now Liverpool could probably attract anyone in the world, you know? So it's about building up, and that's what we have to do for. We can't build for them. You're right. No, no, I'm not going to put you out. I'm not saying it, but... I'm not going to say it. The only thing I'm going to say is, is that the people forget. And this is not... The people, I think the fans forget that this season's won season, and players age. So next season, we'll have players enter in 28, 27, 28, 28. They become your expo... This is why when I put those things up last night on Twitter and they've got their ages when they say that, and they go, do not those ages now though, are they? No, because they age through. And that's the point we put you. You should say it. Everton, unfortunately, and this is... I understand the fans. We can't wait for... We can't wait forever. I'm saying that we maybe need to say, you need to build, but we can't.  What about this, and I've said this to you before. We shine, Alan. 29, the moment. Three-year contract. With an option for fourth year. He's brilliant for two or three years. And then you start to see. But in two years, Tyler on Yang goes 19, 19.5, is looking like he can come in the way we've seen Holgate, the way Stones came in at 19. And he's developed because he's playing with them every day soon, or he does. He's starting to match that in his game. Next summer, Everton sells someone and brands goes, Sangari, or another like that. And goes, we'll have him as well, because you know in 12 months, when Alan's legs really are going, this lad here, who's six for four, is going to be pleased. And then Alan swaps out. That's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that. I look at brands and think, right, if you're not doing that. The top end transfer.  But the other thing about that is, is that we're not... That works if we're not jumping in and giving clubs what they want. I agree, yeah. And we're not giving the players what they want as well. So if you're taking around to Rodiga's and saying, well, to Midsid and go, we'll give you like eight million quid for them. And what are your wages? Because you're not going to get them here. And the same. We seem to be playing hardball. So if we continue to do that and we're not giving clubs, then I hope it works out. Do you have any worries about players like Alan and Amos Rodriguez, what the motivation is coming for Everton? This is my... This is a slight worry I have. Because they're probably more motivated than Morgan Sniper. Because Sniper, to me, is a classic example of someone who got himself built himself in league one, got himself to the Premier League, got his move to Man United, didn't work, how came to Everton was like, you know what I mean? And that's my worry about players. I didn't want to when he lost this. What's the motivation for any footballer though? When you're on the way up, it's a bit different because you want to put you want to... No, no, I don't think it's stepping stone. Well, I've got a bar Alex of Wobby. Well, the problem with that, I just want to say I don't know what's happened to a Wobby, but maybe he's a standard to drop for Everton. But that's what I'm saying to you. It's not... Every transfer is a risk. And I think Alex of Wobby's a good footballer, but what I'm saying is, we're talking about Hammersrod Rhaegers who's that rail in the grid. He'll probably go to, he'll probably go to, they'll be teams if they're interested in it. He wants to go and play for Carl on Tielotti. Let's understand them. Cos he liked them again. I know he'll use them, yeah. And he'll use them. He likes the stand. He'll probably want to come and try the Premier League. Of course. So that's his motivation to come here. He's got money for me to bother about that, but I looked at the other way and go, well, Wobby for me hasn't hit the heights he should have. He was a bit part player of Arsenal. He played some games and he was out the team. Bit like Oxlater Ambulant for them. Yeah, similar, yeah. Similar kind of thing. So he's on the way up. So his motivation should be bearing through to be. He should be going, I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to carry this club and you know what, in another year or so, this team isn't going anywhere. Someone's coming in and taking me, whether it's Arsenal. If he doesn't get seasoning, it's volleyed out the door, doesn't he? No, no, but I'm saying and that's what I think that's what I've been saying. You've got multiple questions and some players. No, that is my worry. I just, jumbled wrong. It's very, it's, everyone's got different philosophies and I've also got my own. I completely understand if it needs to be better, ASAP. I just think that we need to be careful how we manage this going forward. I think the first season will be fine. Second season will be fine. It's then after that. I don't think with FFP we can have always have money to spend easily. We need to sell players. And then if you say you have to lose them three players because they're all there and then you have to sell with Charleston Dean that's five players, you're best players you have to sell. It's, it becomes much more difficult to maintain the same level. Would you ever have both Phil Neville or Garryff Barry? Barry, yes, because he was cheap. Phil Neville, no, because I didn't like him at the time. But Barry, Barry on a free old day, if I'm much more free I was just afraid I couldn't pick him up on that. I'm not even that bothered. But we did pay money for five years. To be fair, right? I'm not even that bothered about Rodriguez, right? I'm not, I'm not first. If the numbers that go round are true. That wouldn't go nearer, right? My issue at the age is only because it's more than, it was just down to Corey. Fine, I understand that. I understand that. I just feel like, it's too many numbers. I just think, I just think there's too much of this coming to football though. I really do. You know, we would never have gone. We'd resaged though. No, but we would. We'd resaged. We'd never have bought Peter Eag, we'd never have bought Andy. Different. But it's, but it can be, it's still football. It's still players going on the pitch and showing what they've got. I think this is the, no, but this is like, this is what's being lost. This is like, I fully get what you're talking about, but I look at those players on the pitch that we've got right now and go, there's not a man amongst you. There's not a leader amongst you. Do you rate Johnny Evans? Johnny Evans, he was good when he met that man on your night. The issue to Johnny was that he was injured too much, but he's made that well for the last time. Cos Everton, Three million. Everton McClubs are getting number three million and people at the clubs this year old. I think it's, I think what it is is, he's gone on and done all right for the last time. He's done all right, yeah. They've got a couple of occasions said Draft that he can like sort of work. But that's why, and that's fully right, because that's why that works, cos he's surrounded by good players or younger players. And I actually, when I looked at the players last night when we were talking about this, the players we've got all genuinely fit in to having a couple of older players in the squad. Now I know you don't like buying those older players. I just think that at some point, there has to be that. I know we've had this before, we had a lot of slatter and stuff like that. You know, you don't well at it in my life. But that's different for me and I appreciate that. But I just think it's some time. What a play you can offer in experience and what you'll do to the rest of the squad. Just, there's no figure on here, if that can tell me, as a football fan, that you can go, oh yeah, but, and I think that sometimes just gets a little bit lost in the conversation. I completely understand that. What I would say is, if we just that call on to Lothi, that's the man in there. We didn't have brands, we didn't have a director of football. Scared me to death, we're gone. Right? And it was just the man in there buying. And Auntie Lothi was like, I want to buy him and I want to buy him and I want to buy him. I'd be gone. We're going to be in trouble here, right? But I'm hoping, because to be fair, there was an article, I think Dom and the King, it was, when Cuman was here. And remember me and you, we were being a little bit annoyed about it at the time, but he's been proven, right? When we were signing, he was like Cuman's just signing players for now, remember? And we were like, yeah, but he's getting the right kind then. That didn't work for Evan and I'm paying the thing, right? But my trust is that I've got a bit, I know a lot of people haven't, and I accept it, but I've got a bit of faith in brands to be sat there going, right, with Auntie Lothi. Right, you want him and him, and they're in age that we don't really buy at, because we need to be buying younger. But I'll give you them three because them three will buy you and me time, right? But as well as them three, I've got me eye on him, him and him, and they're 19, 20 and 21, and they're going to be integrated over the next 18 months into this squad. Niels and Cuncw, the perfect thing. We've got the kid in, physically looks like he's at home. He's ready to go, he's pacey, he'll have to learn all the little, the way to play it, when not to. He's perfect. Now, we've got Llewka Dyn 27, got him the overlap there. Now, brands' responsibility isn't Alan, it isn't D'Corey, it isn't Hammers Rodrígue, because if he comes in, or whoever, his responsibility for me will be buying three lads over the next 18 months who are going to come into our team, who can then be phased in and phased out. And if they're good enough and someone comes in and goes 50 million, you go, off you go, so we've paid seven for you, or 10. And 50, thank you, that means you can pay 200 million for the next three or four and we've replaced you and you do it like that. If it isn't done like that, then I'd be sat there with you going. Shall I not have to realise having this conversation, because I've obviously got questions, is that I think both sides of the spectrum, it's about trust, like for example, I don't think a lot of fans trust brands to be able to do the young player thing because it's not come right and I don't trust the club to have a plan like you're talking about and I think that if the club communicates that was the plan, exactly what you're talking about right there, I'd go. The problem is the plan we've spoken about this loads of times but yeah, there's three different plans. Yeah, exactly. There's three different plans. That's the issue, yeah. I think it's the club and the lack of confidence for having these debates. I think we need, like you said, to go right down the middle. You'd have a one for now. If you did exactly the way you did it, then I'd go. Go ahead. Carl develops his own players. Seems like a plan. We'll build these behind them. They won't cost us a lot so there's where you save your money there in the middle but we need to see that hopefully. That's what it is. And I think we need to be honest just to finish. We've needed a manager who can carry the club while we do this and I do think we have the right man. Go ahead. Next question. Next one.


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