Good afternoon, I'm Dr Bonnie Henry, the provincial health officer, and I'm very grateful to be here today on the traditional and unceded territories of the people, particularly the Esquimalt and Songhi's First Nations. And I'm here to give you the update on where we are with COVID-19 here in British Columbia. We have another 35 new COVID-19 positive cases in British Columbia today, bringing our total number of people to 1,445 people. That includes 642 people in the Vancouver Coastal area, 558 in the Fraser Health area, 884 on Vancouver Island health region, 135 in the Interior Health region, and 26 in the Northern Health area. We have no new long-term care facility outbreaks. There are 2,000 people in the Vancouver Coastal area. We have a number of people in the facility outbreaks. There are continued to be 20 with active cases. And we are up to 246 cases in long-term care or assisted living, including 153 residents and 93 staff. And unfortunately, we have an additional three deaths, bringing our total to 58 people who have lost their lives to COVID-19. And as always, our thoughts are with their families, their caregivers, and all of us who are affected not only by people who have died from COVID-19, but those who have died during a time when it's been a very much a challenge to come together and celebrate people's lives as we've had in the past. We also have a note break as we reported a week or so ago at a federal correctional facility and mission. And we have been working very closely with our federal counterparts to ensure that they have everything they need to manage that outbreak. There are a number of both inmates and staff who have been affected. And the total positive cases are up to 26 from that facility. Those are included in the numbers that we report for British Columbia. And as of yesterday, there were five people from the mission facility hospitalized in BC. So we have a number of people who have died from COVID-19. We continue to work very closely, particularly Fraser Health and the BC CDC in supporting our corrections partners in managing the challenging outbreak in that facility. Currently, we have 134 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in British Columbia. And of those, 63 are in critical care or in ICU. We also have 905 people now who have fully recovered from COVID-19. On this long weekend, we have been providing messages about the need for us all to stay home. This is not a time to be going traveling, even if it's to a summer home or cottage.  I sincerely hope that most people have avoided any unnecessary travel. All across the province, we know these physical distancing measures are in place, and we know they are so important to be able to continue the trend that we are having in managing this pandemic. So I want to say thank you for staying home and avoiding putting unnecessary strain on our small communities around the province. And we want to make sure that we are not taking services and support away from those who live locally and need it. It is so important to keep going with everything that we are doing right now. The other thing I want to report on is that we have implemented our new returning traveler protocols at the international borders in British Columbia as of yesterday. So the requirement for an approved self-isolation plan is to make sure that we are all returning travelers. This is more about how we can support our fellow British Columbians and Canadians returning from other parts of the world right now, and making sure that they join us in our response to managing this pandemic and keeping our families and our communities safe here in British Columbia. I want to say thank you as well to the many volunteers who are working with us to make sure that we are not going to have to crossings in the past couple of days. And also to our federal partners and the Canadian border service agency, the quarantine service, we are all working on this together to do the best that we can to make sure we are protecting our communities and our families here in BC. So this is a long weekend. It is a weekend where there are many reflections and religious messages that connect to your family, your community in virtual ways and keep the physical distance between us. Let's show that kindness and care to each other by staying home and being safe. And let's all of us take this time to be kind, to be calm, and to be safe. Thank you and I'm happy to take questions. Okay. So this is a reminder to everybody on the line, please press star one to enter the room. Please unmute your phones. You will not be audible until we call your name. First question today is from Blonde Palmer with the province. Go ahead. Good day, Dr. Henry. A couple of questions. I think on the same topic. You've discussed before the challenge of developing a serology report and that there isn't one yet. And I'm wondering is the fact that we don't have one, one that the controls and rules and orders can be relaxed? And on the same idea, could you comment, please, on this report out of South Korea that some people who were thought to have recovered a care to have reacquired the virus? Sure. So there's a couple of things. Obviously, serology is something that we're looking forward to because it does help us understand retrospectively what's been done and what's not. And there's a lot of work being done on that. The VCCDC is working with our national microbiology lab even as we speak. And so I do expect that we will have a serology test that we'll be able to use very soon within the next few weeks. And it is one of the measures that we will be, that is helpful to us in trying to understand what are the things that will help us. And we've been putting the building blocks in place for helping us use a serology test when we get one that is reliable and has been validated. And so I do think that will be coming quite soon. In terms of the report out of Korea, I think in the scientific discussion of that, it's really unclear. It's unclear whether it is people starting to shed the virus again, or with other viral infections, whether they are able to pass it on, whether it's live virus that they can pass on to others, still not clear. It does not appear to be. Whether it's a reactivation or whether it's a test issue, because some of the tests that we have can be falsely positive or falsely negative, or it may be picking up just more shedding of a virus that's no longer live. And there's an ongoing discussion about that. It does not appear that that is driving an increase in infections in the community, but obviously we're watching that carefully to try and better understand what it means in the grand scheme of things. Next question is from John Hernandez, CBC. Earlier this week you did revive people to stay close to home over the long weekend, but we've seen people lining up, taking care of their families. What are your overall thoughts about this as we are in the midst of this long weekend? Well, we still say, if you don't have a reason to go, then don't go. Stay home, stay close to home. We know most people are doing that. There are many reasons why people may need to travel, whether it's for family, for being able to check up on people that they have not had the ability to do that before. We did actually talk with BC ferries to get a sense of whether some of the perhaps more overblown reports are out there, and they do report that, for one, the ferries are only allowed to carry 50% of capacity, and we know that the schedule has been dramatically reduced, and they did confirm that they're only seeing a fraction of the traffic that they would normally on this weekend. So I am heartened that I think most people are doing what we need to do. And they're staying home, they're looking after their family, they're taking care of their neighbors, they're managing this challenging time, staying close to home, and staying a safe distance from others. Hi, Dr Henry, just wondering, we're hearing reports from Ontario and pretty concerning reports from Quebec on shortages of staff in some long-term care homes, although the one in Quebec was actually staff apparently abandoning the care home, so I hope that's not happening here, but with the order that became official yesterday, is there a possibility that staffing levels at some facilities here may drop off, and is there a contingency plan for that circumstance? Absolutely, and that's one of the reasons why it's been some time, it is a long-term care facility. And I think it's very challenging. And early on when we had our first long-term care facility outbreaks, particularly Lynn Valley, there was a lot of concern about staff, and we went to great lengths to get people to step up and to work in those facilities. I think it has a lot to do with our own innate fear and our concern and the anxiety and trauma, really, when you're caring for older people, you know, our elders and seniors in an outbreak like this, when so many of them are being affected by this disease, and how challenging that is for us as healthcare workers to be in that environment. We've not seen staffing shortages, and we've been working very carefully to try and support staff so that they can continue to come into work. We've had a number, a large number, and I don't have the exact figure off the top of my head, but of nurses and carer aides who stepped up and volunteered to assist in the long-term care facility outbreaks that we've had, and, you know, we're incredibly grateful for that, and appreciative that people are doing their best to support our seniors and our elders during this very challenging time. Mary Griffin, check news. Hi, Dr. Henry. Thanks very much for this. Last week about how the testing numbers will increase in the near futures, and that doctors will be able to test more broadly. I'm just wondering what that actually means, like will you be targeting people who have interactions with members of the public out in the community, for example, such as in the grocery store sort of thing? And one other thing I was wondering is the percentage of people contracting is going to be a few more women. And in the other steps that I've seen, the deaths are more men or dietists, lighter, higher percentage. Yeah. So a couple of things. The testing strategy is for people who are sick in the community. So, yes, we're going back to similar to where we were several weeks ago where we can focus more broadly on people in our community who are getting sick to try and pick up clusters again. As you know, the people returning travelers are what we focused on also early on, and there's much, much reduced traffic returning. But that is also a place that we'll be focusing. And essential workers have always been part of the strategy. So it really is up to the clinical judgment of the physician. One of the things that we are seeing is that we're seeing a lot of people coming off, much fewer people are showing up with the respiratory illnesses across the province. And those who have it are much more likely to be something like COVID. So early on, our positivity rates, so for every 100 people who were tested, one of them was positive for COVID-19. And about 20 of them for the last couple of weeks were positive for influenza or other viruses, but we're seeing a lot of people coming up here as it tends to this time of year. So we're targeting again, trying to make sure that we're catching everybody in our community, but particularly where we see clusters or outbreaks or risk for people impacting on our health care system. So the testing has gone up a bit, but we're also seeing fewer people who are getting sick. So that's reassuring in some ways, but in terms of the deaths, what it is between men and women, the reflection of the cases who are sick with COVID-19 being a higher proportion of younger women reflects that there's a lot of health care workers who are in that number, many of whom had quite mild illness. But the data will be updated on the BCCDC website, and it does give you the breakdown of male and female in that. I do recognize that around the world we're seeing a slightly increased number of men who are dying from this or hospitalized from this, and nobody is entirely sure why that is. Next we have Matt Pre-Proof, Alaska Highway news. Go ahead, Matt. Good morning, Dr. Happy Easter, and thank you for taking the question today. Over the last several days now you've reported no new care home outbreaks in the region, and that a care home worker here in Fort St. John has tested positive for COVID and is in hospital in Prince George. The worker is a member of the Blue Berry First Nation, and that First Nation is now on lockdown. There's a lot of concern here in Fort St. John and the peace that there was no public notice about this. We were only informed by the family. Northern Health says the incubation period in this particular case has passed, and residents at Peace Villa are still at home. We're not getting information about how many residents here are being tested, how many of our front line health workers are being tested for this virus. On top of this we're now being told that there are some care home workers here in the north that are working still at multiple facilities even across the border into Alberta. I'm just wondering if you can kind of square the circle and explain to the people here in Northeast BC what's happening at Peace Villa and what's going on with the people of care home workers and the transmission of this virus in our care homes? Yes. So Northern Health is working very closely with the First Nations health authority, and individual cases we will not, and I will not, and I continue to not report on personal health information for individuals, and, you know, if the family decided they wanted to release information about one of their family members, and that is what we can do, of course. I know Northern Health is very involved in ensuring that all of the long-term care homes in the north have the appropriate protocols in place to protect our residents and our healthcare workers as well. I know that the single-site order, as we said, our primary focus was on the lower mainland, and so that's where it started to roll out first, and I know that we're working on it in Northern Health as well, but it takes time for those things, as we just talked about, we want to make sure that there are no facilities left short in the assigning of people, and so it has to be done in a thoughtful and deliberate way. Next question is from Megan Devlin, Daily High. Hi, Dr Bonnie Henry. We're just wondering at what point you might consider stepping up enforcement of that advice not to be a part of it, and we are looking at what is happening, where things are popping up in different communities, and monitoring what's happening in our communities around the province, and I know that most people are doing the right thing, and there are many reasons why people may need to travel, as I've said, some of them are very legitimate reasons, so I don't believe that there's a need for stepped-up enforcement or lockdowns or any of those types of measures that people call them. We are doing it here in BC, and it's thanks to everybody doing their part, and it's not too late for those people who thought it might be a good idea, and they're realizing that, you know, we are very serious about this, and we need to continue to do this to support our communities and our families and keep them safe. It's not too late to join our cause and to do our part of the solution as well. The things I mentioned a couple of days ago, that what happens this weekend is going to be reflected in what we see in the coming weeks, and we do not want to see increasing numbers of cases, increasing challenges in our health care system. That is what we are doing everything here in BC to avoid, and I know the vast majority of people are on our side on this and are holding the line, and I thank you for that. Keith Baldwin, Global News. Keith, are you there? Go ahead. A couple of weeks ago you talked about the change in the use of ventilators, putting people on ventilators early, because that had better outcomes. I'm just seeing some reports from physicians in England talking about some changes there of the use of ventilators. I'm just wondering if there's any change in protocols or the use of ventilators. There are other things that have come out, some things from Italy as well around the types of disease that they're seeing and some groups of people there from the UK. We do have a critical care working group which is the physicians in the province who are monitoring all of this, who are much more in tune with all the nuance of the critical care work and what we're seeing here in BC, and they're doing basis to make sure that we're up to date with the latest. As far as I'm aware, they're still finding that people are doing better and that's been borne out in other parts of the world as well, but we are seeing as more people are being infected, we do see that there's many different manifestations of this disease and we're starting to see that some people have more neurological issues, especially even after recovery may have ongoing symptoms of the brain and some people, so I know that the critical care doctors are monitoring this carefully. Wendy, are you there? Okay, moving on to Lisa Hain, CTV. No, Lisa, Bethlehem Miriam, News 1130. Hi, Dr. Henry. Some parts of the beaches are closed to the public, but not all of them and as we start to see warmer and warmer weather, people are still going out to these spaces. At what point do you think it's necessary to close all of these spaces down? You know what, I'm actually really heartened, I think it's important for us to get out, to be with our family or our households and to experience the fresh air. It's important during a time like this when we have so much anxiety, people are cooped up, particularly children to have those opportunities to go outside and what I'm seeing as well is people are really good about it. They're keeping their distance, they're keeping their space from people. Part of the reason the provincial parks were closed, as we know, is because of some of the facilities and the challenges that could be around people camping and not being able to maintain those distances. I will also say that one of the main reasons that many of the provincial parks were closed is because of our concern about the wildfire season. It has been a dry few weeks and that's also a primary concern. We want to make sure that we don't have additional issues to deal with across the province. So there's a variety of reasons why some of the parks were closed. Some of the other things that I'm seeing that make a lot of sense are reducing vehicle traffic so that there's more space for pedestrians or people on bicycles, having things go in one way or the other. So I think we're at a fine balance and we're doing the best that we can to make sure that people for their mental and physical health are being able to be outside but to keep those safe distances. That's incredibly important. CHAD POSEN, CBC. Thank you for taking the question. You alluded to it earlier about some of the ages of positive tests. Can you address a little bit more about some of the demographic that we're seeing or people under the age of 49 and what could be done to maybe message or address that younger age for some of those cases? So we've had very few cases under the age of 19, which is good, as we've seen around the world. Children, particularly young children, are relatively spared from this, which is a good news thing. Almost all of our deaths, unfortunately, are in elder people. With the one exception of a young man in his 40s, unfortunately. So we have seen a shift to over 70, over 80, and even a number of deaths of people in their 90s. But the bulk of our cases, people who have become sick with this, are actually in the 20 to 39, 40 age group. And that reflects as well that there's a lot of healthcare workers who have been tested and who have had serious illness. Many of them have had very mild illness, but a number of them have been hospitalized. And I say it again, people in their 20s and 30s are not immune to having severe illness with this. And we've seen that in testimony from people around the world where you can have a very severe pneumonia, you may end up in hospital, but even if you're not in hospital, it is a disease that really wipes people out. And that's why it is so important for all of us to maintain those safe distances, to do the things that we know work to prevent transmission, which includes cleaning our hands regularly, covering our mouth when we cough, staying away from others, and staying in if you're sick yourself. Ashley Wadwani, Black Press. Hi, Dr. Wadwani Henning. So as we know, long-standing social and economic inequities have made Indigenous people more at risk of a disease, and I know you won't speak to specific locations of confirmed cases, but can you confirm if the Blueberry River First Nation is the only case on a First Nation reserve in BC at this time? And can you maybe speak to any measures you meet to Indigenous populations when it comes to combating this virus, specifically around trauma-informed care? Yeah, absolutely. We've been working, as we've talked about from the very beginning, with the Health Authority, with Dr. Danielle Bainsmith in my office, who's our Deputy Provincial Health Officer for Indigenous Health and Wellness, and with many partners across the province to ensure that we have a culturally safe way of addressing the needs and the concerns within First Nations communities, and particularly the importance of elders as keepers of culture and language in many communities, in First Nations communities around the province, and how important that is. So the work that we've been doing has focused on being able to support First Nations communities in their own measures that they want to take and need to take based on their governance, and being able to support them in doing what they feel needs to be done, but also having a rapid response capability to be able to support testing and management should cases arise in First Nations communities. The other really important, and that may involve things like making sure testing is there, making sure we can support people to isolate if need be, and we know that in many communities that's a very much a challenge where there's a large number of people in homes in some cases, and so there are contingency plans and plans being put in so that people in some cases remove elders from a situation to protect them in other cases to ensure that anybody who is ill can be isolated appropriately. So there's ongoing work around those plans, and there's been funding put in to support that. As well, we've been working in people, indigenous people who are living away from home, so that they can be safe in places like the downtown East side in some cases, and so that they can remain connected to their communities, but don't always need to physically go back to their communities. They can be safely cared for, safely supported in the community that they're in as well. So it's been very much a focus of ours, and we're continuing to do some work in that area. Next question is from Lisa Cordasco, E-H-L-Y, go ahead, Lisa. Thank you, good afternoon, Dr. Henry, I'm wondering if you can speak a little to the situation at Mission. Namely, how does it compare to outbreaks you've been tracking at long-term care homes, and also, do you have any thoughts as to why the outbreak at the provincial institution in the Okanagan has been contained to one, but in Mission, we've gone from two cases last Saturday to now 26 in a single week. Does that speak to the ability of institutions to be able to self- isolate people? I think it's a slightly different situation in that from my understanding and discussions around what was going on at Mission, that there had been quite a lot of transmission before it was recognized. So the protocols that were put in place in the provincial correctional facility were able to identify somebody very early, and that has helped us. And all of our, it's the same analogy for our long-term care homes. We're able to catch it early, particularly if it's a worker versus a resident. The chances of transmission happening to others in that area go down dramatically. So the process in place, it just, sometimes it's very challenging as we know people can have very mild illness or have or not recognize that they're ill for a couple of days, and depending on what their role is in a facility, they can have a mild illness or a mildly. So we are continuing to work with the correctional facility in the Okanagan as well, and people are being monitored. The way the facility was set up enabled people to be isolated in different groups. I know it's a more challenging situation in Mission, and we are in the middle of the incubation period in both those cases. So it is very likely or probability that there may be more people who show transmission and control pieces are in place in both of those places now. So it's a little bit more watching and seeing what's happening and making sure that we are not transmitting, not have opportunities for more people to transmit for the next chain, the next generation of cases. So Fraser Health will be actively working with Mission, and it's very challenging, and we see that in long-term care as there has been a number of cases and there's been ongoing exposures, it's very challenging to manage, and that's what we're seeing in the Mission site as well. Next we have Rachel Haynes, CTV. Hi, Dr. Henry. There were delays that were reported today after China began some additional inspections on the exploding medical supplies, and I'd just like to know what is the situation like in BC when it comes to additional protective equipment, other medical supplies, and do you think that the federal government needs to step in more so there is more of a coordinated effort? There is very much a coordinated effort, and we were on calls even yesterday, lengthy calls, making sure that we have all of these things coordinated. So I think we're in a reasonable place, I won't ever say good at this point because we know there's continuing to be a lot of things that could get supplies that were needed in over the past week, and we've started some, and this is where I think it's really helpful for the future, both Canada and here in BC, we started a domestic production of certain things like gowns, for example, which were a challenge, so those things are starting as well, and that will help us in the future. We have been, you know, we're in a difficult situation that we need, but we are continuing to get what we need for the future and making sure that we are supporting across the country right now. The biggest challenge is in Ontario and particularly in Quebec, and so I know Alberta was able to provide some needed PPE to Quebec over the last couple of days. We're not in the place where we have enough to share. We still need what we have to manage here, and we need good coordination happening across the country to make sure that we can make sure everybody has what they need, and that if hotspots arise, equipment comes. Next question is from Bob Mackin, the breaker news, go ahead. Hi, I'm looking at the stats for testing, and I'm seeing that in recent days it's been about 1,000 tests per day, even though we've been told there's been capacity in the 3,000 to 3,500 range, it looks like on the graph that there's only been one day that testing actually broke the 3,000 mark. Why is there such a gap between the amount of tests that are actually being sampled and the amount of capacity? Why isn't BC using the full capacity for its testing? Part of that is what I was talking about earlier. We have been targeting our testing. We've also been doing surveillance testing, and we've been trying to make sure that anybody in the province sends in for testing for any respiratory virus automatically as tested for COVID as well. And we also have been, as you know, targeting healthcare workers, our outbreaks, and our percentage positive has been going up, which tells us that we are finding the people that we need to find. One of the main reasons why our capacity has increased across the province, which is great, one of the main reasons why we have a lot of increased testing is because we are seeing fewer people with respiratory illness that are being sent for testing. So that is, you know, a balancing. I expect that we'll continue to increase the amount of testing that is being done. But we know that there's fewer people coming back from other countries, and that was a large part of where illness was arising, and that there's fewer people with respiratory illness, with signs and symptoms that could be related to this. We are continuing to test widely in our long-term care facility outbreaks, and with a very, very sensitive, so you don't have to, for older people, we know that they can have very mild. One wouldn't even call them symptoms. Sometimes it can be just an increase in fatigue or lack of appetite, for example. So we are testing very actively in those settings and in our outbreak settings as well. But we've seen a decrease in healthcare workers, for example, who are becoming ill. So that's partly a good thing, and it's partly a reflection of the amount of respiratory illness that's in our community right now. Next question is from Mark Antoine, CBC Radio Canada. Next, Johan. Excuse me, sorry. Go ahead. Hello. Mark, are you there? Yes, I'm going up here. So, Dr. Henry, I was just wanting to know province of Quebec has not excluded students to physically go back to school before May 4th. They said that during their presser yesterday. Is this a scenario that could be considered in BC? And if so, what would be kind of the timeline for such a return to classrooms? Yes. So that is one of the key questions that we are looking at, that the evidence around the role of children in potential transmission and how can we ensure that we don't get increased transmission of an illness if large numbers of children are back together. So we have been considering how could we have classrooms, physical classrooms come back together in a way that protects children and protects the staff and the students, the teachers, the early childhood educators within the educational setting, the classroom setting. So that is something we are looking at. I actually believe that we need to continue with, particularly for the next few weeks, continuing with the virtual classrooms for most children, although it is incredibly important for the children of our health care workers and other essential workers to be able to get some, to have the classroom education in a safe way, as well as we know that children who are more disadvantaged, who are falling behind when they have gaps like this, they are not as able to catch up. So we want to make sure that our system is doing everything it can to support those children. So those are the considerations that we have. I am not going to put a date on it because it really depends on how things manage over the next two weeks. I am not going to put a date on what that might look like. There is still going to be things like physical distancing, things like hand washing that are not going to change. So how do we do that in the best possible way in our classroom settings is one of the questions that we will be answering over the next few weeks. We have time for one more question this afternoon. As a reminder, for any reporters that didn't get to ask a question today, there will be a statement released on the 12th of August. Please visit bccbc.ca for non-medical questions about the province's COVID-19 response. Visit gov.bc.ca forward slash COVID-19 and for a full listing of the provincial health officer's orders, visit gov.bc.ca forward slash pho guidance. And our last question today comes from Nick Johansson with Castanet. Go ahead, Nick. Hi, Dr. Henry, can you provide an update on the two outbreaks here in the Okanagan, the violence nurseries, just the number of confirmed cases at this point and how many tests have been done at these two separate outbreaks? As far as I'm aware, and I should have got some details on that, sorry, I know there's been quite a bit of testing done in both situations, you know what, I'll have to get you the numbers offline. As far as I'm aware, there's still the two positive cases at the correctional facility. And I believe we're up to 19 in the nursery. I know that there's still, within the incubation period, and people are being isolated. I do want to say, you know, a great thank you to West Kelowna. I know there are people who are supporting both the family and the temporary foreign workers who are working there and who are in quarantine and isolation and who have been part of this outbreak there. And I know the community rallied and that's what we do in BC, to support people through this, and thank you very much for that. That's all the time we have for today. Thank you.


Hello and welcome to the session. My name is Mansi and I'm going to help you with the following question. The question says integrate the following function x square plus 1 into log x. So let us start with a solution to this question. Let i be equal to integral of x square plus 1 log x dx. We have to find i in this case. Now we see that we integrate this by parts. Here we see that this is an algebraic function and this is a logarithmic function. According to the i-late rule logarithmic function is given preference over algebraic function for becoming the first function. So log x will be the first function and x square plus 1 will be the second function. Now by integration by parts we have i will be equal to first function that is log x into integral of second function that is x square plus 1 dx minus integral of differentiation of first function that is d by dx of log x into integral of second function that is x square plus 1 dx the whole into dx. This will be equal to log x into now integral of x square plus 1 will be same as integral of x square with respect to x plus integral of 1 with respect to x. So that will be x cube by 3 plus x minus integral of d by dx of log x is 1 by x. Again integral of x square plus 1 dx we have seen here was x cube by 3 plus x into dx. Now this we get because we know that integral x raise to power n dx is equal to x raise to power n plus 1 divided by n plus 1 where n is not equal to minus 1 we add a constant here also. So in this case n was equal to 2 so we get x raise to power n plus 1 that is 2 plus 1 equal to 3 divided by 3 in this case n was 0 because 1 can be written as x raise to power 0. So we get this now this can be further written as x cube by 3 plus x into log x minus now we see that this can be written as integral of x square by 3 plus 1 into dx because 1 by x into x cube by 3 gives us x square by 3 and 1 by x into x gives us 1. This will be equal to x cube by 3 plus x into log x minus x cube by 9 minus x plus c. This again we get by this formula. So we see that this is our answer to the question. I hope that you understood the question and enjoyed the session. Have a good day.


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And now, tonight's presentation of Radio's outstanding theatre of thrills. Suspense. Tonight, we bring you a story about a man whose name was synonymous with death. We call it, The Groom of the Ladder. So now, starring Hans Conreed, here is tonight's suspense play, The Groom of the Ladder. Evening, Mr. Price. Evening, William. Oh, it's cold enough. Our day for you, Mr. Price? Well, I must say I'm fair wore out. What you need is a bit of the old warming for the cockles. Ah, true, ah, true. It's cruel work for a man in this weather. You opt down to the blue ball, Mr. Price, have yourself a dollop. Oh, I thought of that, but I happen to be a little short of funds tonight, will you? I wonder. Oh, have one for me, Mr. Price. Oh, that's very nice of you, I must say. Well, you're very nice. Good night. Good night, Mr. Price. My kindest regards to your wife, Mr. Price. Thank you, William.  I hope so give him what for it a blue boy. Nasty little rat that we are, Martinie. I've got to keep an eye on him. Hardly. What rights he got to look at me like that. I know what he's thinking, get my job. If a chance are there, I'll see him turned off first. Oh, I got a first. It should go on, I suppose. Better be grouching out of all neck. Oh, leather grounds, I got me rights. Blue ball for me. Good evening, Mr. White. Mrs. White. Mr. Lowell. Oh, Brenny, you're spry as ever. What's this all about? Somebody dead. Pay for it? Yes, I can pay for it. And more, don't you worry about me. I can pay for anything. You hear that, all of you?  You'll all come to me one of these days. Looking for somebody? Who said it? I wonder who's going to get Jack Kent's job when he's out to office. Who called me? Oh, Mr, that's what you hear. Don't, don't stop it, man. There'll be none of that in here. If you want your ale, come over to the table and drink it. Otherwise? I'm sorry, I'm not very tired tonight. Except my apologies, keeper. I don't accept nothing from you, except your money. I have to serve you, me char to say so. I'll serve you, or act you go. And that's a fact, and don't forget it. Why do they do it? Why, it's always like this. Either they don't say a blinkin' word, or they even that all the way. Can't they understand? I'm just like anybody else. I do me job, same as anyone. It's lonely, a man sitting by himself, swallowing ale, all by himself. Wish I had some money. Some of the actual not coppers, I'd have friends then, lots of them. What was it they were saying about the watchman looking for me? They can't do that. I'll pay the debts, would I, yo? If I can only get a good job or two. Why don't they let the man alone? What ain't fair, Mr. Rice? Who is it? Oh, oh, William. William Hartley, huh? You got off late tonight, didn't you? That's right, Mr. Price. Having a bit of a guzzle, eh? I will not stand familiarity, William Hartley. Kindly remember your place and station. Oh, no offence, intended. And I'm takin' I hopes. Granted. Mind if I sit down with my mug? I don't mind. Well, there's short pay, that's the way of it. William Hartley, why do you talk to me? Why not, Mr. Price?  In a way, I ask to talk to ya. I don't want you to have to! I want you to want to! Nobody wants to talk to me! Nobody wants me! Could be worse, you know. I don't beat my wife or the kid. I try to do what's wrong. You're just misunderstood, Mr. Price. Mis-understood, I sympathize. I want that friend, I want people to smile at me in the streets. Talk to me, to like me. Oh, you've got a burden, Mr. Price, and no mistake. William, how'd you like to lend me five sovereigns? I could pay you back with interest. I got one or two odd debts to pay, you know. I heard about that, Mr. Price. Harry White was... Harry White, what's he? No, he's after me job. Just like you, William Hartley. All over my eyes, I know, I know. How could you think such a thing, Mr. Price? Why, you remember this. I'm not out of office yet. Remember, you stay nice to me, William, because I have a position. How about a couple of sovereigns? I know you've got it, so there's no use in knowing. Well, I'd like to oblige, Mr. Price, so I will but my wife's expecting again, and you know how it is with another mouth to feed. How about a copper's worth of ale there? You know, I was going to buy one for you, Mr. Price, but when I reached into my pocket, I found I had just enough for me, old mug.  Don't you ever find yourself in trouble, because if you do, it's John Price who's gonna be there taking love in care of you. Did anyone think... Hello, Mr. White. Mrs. White. Oh, good day. Good. Come on, Elizabeth. Time for us to be going home. All right, Annie. I said, allow. That's all. I didn't do no harm, just allow. It's me, John Price. You know me. William Hartley. He come to the blueboard to laugh at me. That's how he gets his pleasure. They all do. And when I get home, it's going to be the same. Oh, I wish I was dead. A very difficult job today. Like they've broke me poor arm. I swore like a pig. How much did you get? The usual. And it over. Now, bad. Ah, I should have known. You've been boozing at the blueboard. Spent every blessed penny. I was tired, but I thought a sap would help. Sap? I said, be the luckier. Sweetheart, we've got a few shillings put by, haven't we? Oh, no, you don't. No, it's desperate, Betco. They'll have me in debtor's prison. I heard them talk tonight. Do you good? No, don't say that. Love, love. It'll only be for a week, two at the most. I've got to raise every penny I can. That money's for me and the kid. You don't touch one sub. I'll lose my job. Don't make me laugh. Your job. Call that a job? I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed to have people know my name. Now, Bet, I'm your husband. It's your duty to obey me. You give me what money we got in the house, and I'm going to... Or what? Now, Bet, he's got a lovely job standing. Don't you try me. It's true now. Listening to the groom of the latter, tonight's presentation in Radio's outstanding theater of thrills, suspense. There are twice as many radios in the United States today as there were 10 years ago. Every minute of the broadcast day, millions are listening to radio, most of all, to CBS Radio, which has all of the top 25 daytime programs and eight of the top 10 once a week half-hour evening shows. Yes, leading the way as it goes and grows are the CBS Radio shows. And now we bring back to our Hollywood soundstage. Hans Connery, starting in tonight's production, The Groom of the Ladder, a tale well calculated to keep you in suspense. Well, I suppose it was wrong to be there like that. Well, what's a man to do? So, what with me dancing, what I done to Bet? Here I am in Marshall C. Prison. Not the first time I've been here ever. What a stinker now, all of us together. A muck of London. Men, women, and dogs. There's one lad, though, that ain't so bad. I mean, yesterday, he's got Len and a gentleman, you can see there. Thomas Lovelace's name. He's in debt to his eyes. Two thousand pounds. I'll be here until I rot, Price. Oh, I wouldn't say that, sir. There's always hope. You've been here before? Three times, sir. This is me fourth. I ain't always for debt. Of course, there was a matter of my wife, Betty, this time. What did you do for a living, Price? What's the matter? Haven't you noticed? The others there, they never talk to me. Haven't you noticed? Not particularly. I'll tell you why. Because I was in the employ of his majesty, in service to the crown. That's why. That's why they don't talk to you? Well, I suppose you weren't either when I tell you. You find out in a day or so anyhow, what's it use? I'm the Angman. But I thought that Jack catched me. That's what they call me. I thought, sir. Go on, sir. I won't trouble you.  You know what the likes of me. You haven't got a very savory reputation, you know, Price. It was my job. Somebody had to do it. I've heard that you rather enjoyed it. That's a lie. What about the poor devils who paid you to put them out of their misery quickly? I was happy to oblige. Poor souls. Sometimes they give me a few pants to help them through the awful passage to heaven. But, Lord, bless them, I did my best. And if they didn't have any money? I wouldn't hold it against them. Of course, I'm not denying that a nice rack or press job was worth a few shillings extra. But wouldn't you have taken the money? I ask you, wouldn't you? I wouldn't have had your job, Price. Not for a million pounds. Oh, well, that's the way of it. Each man to what he knows, right, Mr. Lovelace? My profession is aim. Yours is to be a gentleman. Am I right, sir? And we're both of us in debtor's prison. I don't give him something to think about. He wasn't so high and mighty after that. Mr. Lovelace never had visitors. I didn't either. That is not to one day free myself for I first come here. And it was William Hartley. And I didn't like the nasty weasel smile on him. Well, Price, I heard about your misfortune and I came to sympathize. How thoughtful, William. How do they treat you in here? Treat?  Nasty smell down here. They haven't brought in the fresh roses yet. What about your debts, Price? Any luck? No. It's only a matter of five pounds. William? William Hartley, you did... Did you come here to help me? You're going to lend me the money. Have I misjudged you, William? Good friend. No, you haven't misjudged me, Price. I didn't come here to lend you nothing. I'll come here like a good Christian to see you add your wealth and spirits. And I'll brought you a prayer book for your poor soul to feed on. Oh, blimey, I'll...    Let him go! You know what they'll do to you with this. You shouldn't have done that, Price. I won't forget. You'll pay for that. And slum gullum for a month. I wasn't going to forget William Hartley. Never in all my life was Mr. Lovelace who saved me a cruster to a bread when I was brought up from the black hole. It was the best meal I ever had. And then things were the same again. The weeks went by. I wrote a song ballad. Mr. Lovelace did the words you write in for me. I called it the man of destiny's odd fortune whereby his hopeful harvest is like to be blasted. And nobody bought it though, though I still didn't have the money to pay me debts. Then I heard about Betty and the kid. They'd run off and left me. And that's when I made up my mind to get out of Marshall C. That and William Hartley. Oh, I'd play a little core on him. I'd tell my idea to Mr. Lovelace one night. Mr. Lovelace. Come closer, sir. Listen, I'm getting out, see? Now you've treated me right. I'm willing to take you with. How can you? We've got these chains. It's impossible. No, it ain't. They take him off in the afternoon when we exercise, don't they? All right, that's the time. You leave that to me. You want to go with?  All right, sir. Now, here's what we do. There's a wood shed next to the gate of the yard. Doors always open. And we have our constitutional tomorrow. We hop in there and wait till it's dark. One of the keepers will see it, sir. Now, now there's a new one on. I've been watching him. He's been drunk for a week. Easy as pie. You wait. We did it. Stayed eyed and barred in the wood till night. I felt funny without the chains on after so long. And then about 10 o'clock, we started out of the shed. I took a thick stick from the wood pile. It was a bit of climbing, innit? All clear. He's asleep. We have to pass him supposing he wakes up. He won't. First man, I'll pull you over. That's right. That's a loveliest sight. Well, your mark is out there in it. Come on.  And then Mr. Lovelace said goodbye. I'll leave you here, Price. I can't thank you enough for helping me. Or you shan't meet again, I suppose. But I'll always remember you. Goodbye. And it went his way. A couple of minutes later, I found a broom maker going on from selling his wares. And after a short argument, I had two silver shillings in my pocket. I tossed for it. William Hartley now or later. My first one. And that took me to the nearest ale house in Bunhill Fields. Oddly'd have to wait, but not for long. I was going to do him a mischief. Tade a little scot back before the night was out. It was two hours later that I left the ale house with a lovely swishing in my belly and happiness in my head. Funny thing, I couldn't on the line for me remember what I had to do. But there was something. Oh, his groans was driven. They pressed upon him. And Jack stood solemn, not shedding a tear. When the... Hello's there. It's me, Elizabeth White. Is that you, John Price? I thought you were in Marshall's sleep. Elizabeth White? Well, I never. What you doing in Bunhill Fields this time of night? Well, I had an order of gingerbread to deliver. No. You frightened me. Oh, me frightened? Oh, I'm all right. You know that. Well, I've had one or two, but nobody can say John Price can't behave like a gentleman. You are wicked. Oh, I wish I was married to a sweet woman like you, Elizabeth. Oh, how I envy your husband. Ah, now, now, Mr Price. Well, I apologize. Umbly. Do you hate me? Of course not. I never hated you. Was out he didn't want me to talk to you?  Ah, you're not any more anyway. I'm really very gentle with art, you know. I'm just misunderstood by one and all. Oh, I suppose. Elizabeth, I've always had a liking for you. Mr Price. Have you got a little money put away? We could make it a business arrange. You were just me. And I'll pay you next month. I haven't got anything, Mr Price. Hold on. Maybe a shiver or two. You must have copped something for the gingerbread. Please, Mr Price, my area. Well, it ain't honorable for a man in my position to be in debt. There's no one to turn to.  I swear that I'm desperate. No, no, Mr Price. Would you keep it? Ah, no. Stop it, you little watchman down there. Stop it, no. Give it away. You hear me? Ah! Ah! Ah, I need this. You see, I need it. I told you I'd pay you. Ah! Ah!  Newgate, this time. The watchman got me. But he was too late for Elizabeth White. I'm afraid I done that in, poor soul. I'm to hang for it, sir. There you are. I can hear him coming for me now. Go, I'd like a last swig of something to see me on my way. You ready, John Price?  You mean you're the hangman? I am. Go, block. I was coming back to turn you off.  And I forgot you wouldn't be here now. I bear you no malice, John Price. You won't make no hangman. Not for long, you wait. You wait. They'll start calling you Jackcatch. You wait. It's my duty. I always knew that someday I'd find my calling to protect the people from such poor riches as you. I have found it. Go, Blimey. I might have known. I might have known. Bar me, too. Well, I for one haven't got a brass father for you. And my clothes? They won't fetch tuppence. Oh, blast you. I don't want neither. It's my job, John Price.  And that's what I'm going to do. You've come to a wicked end, as I knew you would. If I'm going to nab the Star Force, and it's William Artley, what's going to do it? I'm better off dead. Here, here, William. You write something for me on the wall, will you? Yeah, yeah. I've got some charcoal. Yeah, right here. Here. What? All right. No, you write this. Right. Here died John Price, England of London.  God save the king in the year 1686. Suspense. In which Hans Conrad starred in tonight's presentation of the Groom of the Ladder. Be sure to listen in again next week when we bring you another presentation of Radio's outstanding Theatre of Thrills. Suspense. Directed in Hollywood by Anthony Ellis, who also wrote tonight's script. The music was composed by Lucian Morrowang and conducted by Wilbur Hatch. In tonight's story, Ben Wright was heard as Hartley. 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ield the team a lot of that but the email that I'm referring to was you after the event no one had heard of it at the event it was all positive you were describing to the devs what the ECTS was after we actually demoed the game where hoof and mouth disease was kind of like a do you remember that hoof and mouth you're not talking about the SARS incident are you? not the SARS incident they went ECTS European computer trade show they go to the UK and the UK had just had they had killed tens of thousands of cows they had slaughtered them and one of your characters in the demo was called hoof and mouth which was like the American there's photobnop okay oh go on John it was a little foible it was like a little misstep where you weren't being sensitive to this catastrophic loss of beef in the UK and one of the characters so you had to rename the character I don't remember that at all this is your email to the team we're talking about so is this why there's no flying mounts in classic violence because you're afraid of flying mark no no purely well there's a lot of reasons for it we didn't want to shrink the world that's good ultimately one of the things that people say was one of the things they wish they could have turned back we didn't want to shrink the world we wanted travel time to be a thing we were fine with taxis because they were on fixed routes you can't unlock it until you get on foot explored the other area and we wanted that sense of world one thing that modern MMOs lack now is the feeling that you could live in this world that it's not just a game that it's an alternate reality and you could retire here spend your life here and it feels real it feels like a living life experience and you don't get that with modern MMOs and you're just using group finder, dungeon finder whatever to get through the next content and you're doing it mostly solo and yeah you miss all that but there's a trend I've noticed here John Plague seems to follow World of Warcraft you've got the corrupted blood incident you've got the hook in that and do you remember the SARS episode? Oh it's in the book too yeah you went to you were talking to partners abroad you were going to pick who was going to operate the game Asian partners, yes and you were we all called them patient zero for a few days because he had to be quarantined you were quarantined for quite a while I think I had yeah it was a while I got back from China and this is when the SARS epidemic hit and everyone thought this was the this was it this was the avian flu that was going to wipe out and and I got back and I was having cold like symptoms and at the airport they hand you a yellow card that says if you have these symptoms go see a doctor right and so because they were you know CDC Center for Disease Control was really worried about this so I got this card and I had these symptoms and so I quarantined myself in my place and I told my girlfriend I need food I can't really eat because all I could eat was soup I was like buy me some soup just drop it at the door and I went in because I might have been exposed to this horrible horrible disease that's killing people and so you know I would get the food delivered and I wasn't getting any better I wasn't getting any better at all and so I decided to go to the emergency room but I was really concerned about infecting anyone and so I went they have a side door I looked all around the emergency room walk-in center and they have a side door for biological or chemical contagion right and a big red button that says ring this doorbell if you know if you need if you believe you've been exposed to this or if this sort of incidents happen to you so I was like great they've got a special path for this I don't have to go through a waiting room and sit around a bunch of people and maybe infect all of them with a deadly disease that I may or may not have and so I rang the buzzer and nothing happened nobody answered the door and to be honest if you work there would you answer the you know if the light came on that said the infectious disease door there's someone there would you go answer it you know this probably hasn't been used in years right and so I ended up you know having to go into the main room and I went right to the front desk and I didn't want to sit with any of the other patients and I handed them the yellow card at the center of disease control sent me and I said I might have been exposed to SARS I was in China can you please have someone see me and the lady just didn't take me seriously at all she's like what's SARS and it was all over the news in China when I was there right it's like it's like people are dying and everyone's freaking out in Asia and they think that this thing is going to wipe out half the planet if it's not contained and I'm just aghast I'm like okay well this card explains it it's a very serious disease that's highly infectious and I think I need to see someone because I haven't gotten better and I have all these symptoms they made me wait hours so what I did was instead of waiting with the clientele I got a blanket out and a Game Boy and I sat on the grass away from everybody as I could and told them that I would be outside and waited and finally the doctor saw me what makes you think you have SARS and he didn't even have a mask on and I just came from China trying to find a partner for World of Warcraft and everyone's got masks on everyone's worried about this stuff and the doctor's just kind of chuckling and saying you know what's the big deal and as soon as he called the center of disease control they wouldn't let me leave it was a total shutdown okay and suddenly the mask is on and he comes back in and they're hovering around me and they say you can't leave and you guys stayed at the hospital and it's like how much is that going to cost it's like well you're deductible to 500 it's like wait I'm being quarantined against my will and I get to pay for it and they're like yes and so I'm telling the team this I'm like I can't come back to work I'm quarantined and the team took great pity on me and the team bag had all sorts of stuff that somebody who's quarantined for several weeks might need including for some reasons a Playboy magazine not good and yes they say we don't know how long you're going to be you're either going to recover you'll be dead you know and you know they had me in a room with double airlock doors and a big machine I remember not being able to sleep jet engine recycling the air and purifying it or something but I could not sleep and then I was watching the news and other planes were coming in and the CDC would say oh two people came in on an aircraft from China suspected of having SARS we're going to shut the plane down on the landing pad and check it out and these guys were released these passengers were released within two days and I was still stuck in the hospital it's like the CDC cleared these guys they forget about me I'm sitting here I haven't died I'm not getting worse but the team was great Shane came and visited they had to put on like special rounds yeah so how far along into the development was this oh we're pretty close yeah you were talking to partners probably a year before it launched before it's launched and we're trying to find a partner in China and we're freaking out over can we launch a game in three territories at the same time Korea, the US and pretty soon China and okay John you take it from here what happened when I got back to the office finally alright so wow I just opened the book to Blizzard books to Asia how fortuitous is that page 190 talk amongst yourselves I'll find what Mark is talking about yeah we're getting back to that quite a bit on a bunch of questions so like we can go through some of these for sure this is a question that Firehead actually had last week and it was about alternate skins this might lean more towards John but I'll go ahead and say it anyway planning on alternate skins of battlegrounds back when they were in development he actually sent me some screenshots because this is something that I wasn't aware of but I guess like Worsong Gulch had a basically like it was textured differently there was like files or the screenshots of it being textured differently with like a human sort of theme to it I don't know anything about this actually but it's not something that I knew completely wrong Worsong Gulch was now Worsong Gulch was pretty tough because I had to have the same footprint with the same walls if something was smooth or curved or flat it was hard to do an orc building and a night elf building with the exact same footprint because they're a very fundamentally type of different footprints I think that they're probably looking at a human keep or oh I know what they're looking at they're looking at a bunch of guild castles which was this pitch Mark you probably don't even remember remember I had a row of these little upgradable castles they would get better and better kind of like you would see how a component in Farmville would slowly improve on different like type of it would just be like different shutters it would go from metal shutters to golden shutters or something like that and that's how I showed to Alan and him he loved the idea that it might have some implication on guild housing but some of that stuff creeped into the game even though we never used them they were super low poly they were just like tests of what we could have and yeah that's what they're probably looking at they're probably always orc and night off what's the other area that people always ask us about the files we discovered like someone's asking if it was going to be a raid at some point oh Azara Azara Basin right? Azara Crater I couldn't remember John so I was going to ask you I actually I just talked to so Jim is one of our first we hired four exterior level designers at the same time Jim was one of them and he's now the lead on the WoW team for Exteriors and Jim said that with Arathi Basin playing so well that we didn't need to duplicate the the battleground it wouldn't have changed significantly it would have been a slightly different but it would have been roughly the same game this is for Azara Crater yeah Azara Crater so he just well it was just decided why do the exact same thing let's do something different so it's trivial I mean he probably spent maybe like four or five days on it and they chucked it and moved on to the next thing and that's what happened there's just a lot of stuff that people dug up and they asked me what was the plan for this and I can't remember and you have to talk to the person on the team so much content was flying in so fast at the end Shane and I would log into the build and suddenly there was a new area that we'd never seen before it got to the point where we could not keep track of what was going to the game because it was happening so fast at the end and so when people ask me what was this area and what was that I have a hard time recalling and I'm glad I'm not the only one I'm glad I'm trying to ask someone else and it wasn't just me I know I'm looking in the book for your SARS incidence still I think it's the moment we talked about housing a little bit you know your proposal for guild housing you guys are familiar with Dark Age of Camelot I thought the housing system in that game was so cool was there ever any thought of putting something similar to that in the game I know they eventually put in garrisons but it's not quite the same it's not like an open area where you can go and check out other people's houses and stuff and we talked yeah go ahead sorry I don't know we talked about it but no one could come up with a good idea to is that where you were where you were going well basically I a lot of people think that the portal is a form when it's gated off and a lot of people think that that could have been a player housing 100% by the way March 2002 was during the internal alpha march that was the SARS outbreak amid international tensions with North Korea and the SARS outbreak Mark traveled to Seoul Taipei China yeah this is the whole thing they surround John hold up the book because people gotta see this thing that you wrote and it's just massive show them the spine it looks like a textbook yeah that's the textbook this is a cheap and dirty print out this is print on demand the final product I've got a dummy book somewhere around here that's the actual the printer makes a dummy book and the paper and the weight and you can feel the the hard binding but this is the cheap print it's massive though it's huge it's constantly like $36 to mail this to Australia that's so far the most expensive thing and everyone's complaining about the shipping but that's what it takes I mean you know international shipping is brutal yeah they're killing me on but player housing was gonna be a big thing Alan had huge plans for player housing you're supposed to instance into a neighborhood where everyone has that's what we call it we call it neighborhoods because you wanted to peacock and show your own house to your neighbors and housing had to have a good reason for you to be there or housing never gets used it's very vanity based he wanted actual trading player to player trading I think was gonna go on there and things like vendors I forget how it was gonna work but he had some plan where players could set up shop and sell stuff to other players and this would be prior to auction house because we would talk about the problem with auction houses is that there is no social component to it it's all just emailed to you and Alan was huge on the social aspects of the game and everything that he designed for and it was really a lot of his vision that drove wow and so what he wanted was okay maybe there's an auction house but you still have to go see the guy to get your item or go to their house at least and their vendor or something something to establish that sort of personal relationship and I think housing was supposed to dovetail to that I remember distinctly the portal in Stormwind and the neighborhoods that were supposed to be instance stacked of these different player houses we didn't want houses we loved Ultima Online so much so many of us played it but we didn't want houses like just carpeted over the land like it wasn't that game and getting in the way of the content and everything else so the idea was to portal this stuff off into instance neighborhoods where every player would get their own house you guys speak very highly of Alan both John and Mark John I think you mentioned a bunch of times in your book out of curiosity Alan had a huge role to play in the game could you give us a little background on Alan during these AMAs lots of questions sometimes thoughts kind of congeal into a perfect nugget Alan Adham is the Steve Jobs of Blizzard that hates publicity that's Alan I know that's understandable some people just don't want a lot of attention he's absolutely brilliant he's probably one of the best designers of all time and people haven't heard of him because he's the most patient person in the world just well okay I'm sorry watching somebody play the game he's a slave driver like Alan Jobs or Steve Jobs Alan was like a father figure you always wanted to please him you always wanted to go the extra mile for him and it's really his philosophy guided all of Blizzard's early development along with other key members but I gotta give it to Alan Alan was the one we looked up to Alan stepped away from the company for a while before coming back on Wow that was he was sorely missed and when he came back on Wow was awesome but he was also very much like Jobs very driven and very passionate and sometimes fiery if you were at the layer of management that's directly working with him he would let you have it with both barrels certainly and in private you know and it was really hard to work for the guy but amazing but you wanted to because he was so amazing and it's kind of like a football coach yeah and when he decided to step away towards the end of Wow development I remember I was at a point where I was having an argument with the guy but I recognized how important he was and I wrote this long email and went to talk to Alan to try to convince him to stay because I thought it was that important to the project whatever personal issue we had at the time and we got together years later over lunch and dinner and everything else but at that time whatever personal issue I said none of that's important none of that's important what's important is that this game has your vision in it and we need that vision on the title he was pretty adamant about stepping away and he did that time but luckily he recently came back didn't he yes he did and that bodes well for Blizzard that bodes very well for future Blizzard titles I mean you never hear about him but he is really the huge component of the soul of Blizzard yeah all the think about all the slide shows all the public BlizzCon all the talks all the GDC panels that you hear a Blizzard star one of the designers talk about intelligently just how the method of making a game they're parroting Alan I mean the longer you work with Alan the more you just say screw it I'm just going to parrot what this guy says because there is just arguing with the logic that is just so it's just everything he's just a great guy yeah go ahead sorry we could talk about Alan all day he doesn't need the credit he doesn't care at all about the credit it's awesome but yeah whenever I'm designing or whenever I'm making a game I'm thinking of Alan what would Alan do absolutely I have a question I was going to ask this earlier and I just remembered focusing more on the game again last week John you talked about how AQ was actually the first raid that you built it wasn't molten core which is actually the third raid the third big 40 man raid was there did the final I guess the final order of raid tears did that match the original vision for what you guys saw somebody asked this question during the AMA and this is a great question there was no order there was a list of places where we thought could be raids and I would build a place Karazhan wasn't supposed to be a raid it was supposed to be a dungeon but it was big enough to actually put more people Upper Blacks Rock Spire they said a little more people they eventually said it at 15 yeah there was no order whatsoever you were talking I started I had this this funny it was a graph paper with the eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor and I had all our raids where the newbie there was a tauren newbie dungeon I think I saw this in the sample you showed us this sample I think I have that paper still lying around here it was just my own someone had written it on the board and I thought it was important enough to actually just to re-refer to and it was just kind of neat to see and yeah the plans changed so many times I used the example Derek Simmons built an intra web intranet page where the developers could look at this map and have something that was relatively up to date and keep everybody on the same page where the cities were where everything was in the world of warcraft it was like the big map with all the little locations of a dungeon or a city and it was outdated by the time he put it up and if he revised it it would have been outdated by the time he sent the email and that's just things are constantly constantly changing after a couple of years after you've shipped a game you realize at least this is the blizzard now there are some companies who are very heavy handed with their plans they write a blueprint and to the detriment of their product the team sticks to that blueprint blizzard is a lot more agile they self publish their own games they can delay things they can speed things up when they discover something's cool or cancel something that's really not cool they can do all this internally so the plans are man makes plans god laughs that's organic as far as the lore goes who was the one making sure the lore was being respected or sort of maneuvered around? decisions? I'm interested in this what I remember is maybe a little different metson would come in and talk about the lore early on I remember the whiteboards and the maps and he had plans for all this stuff it seemed like whenever he met with you guys things would change ideas would get tossed around I don't think it was unidirectional I think people have the impression that metson would say this is the way it is and we'd all go do it but you're right sometimes there would be technological issues or level design issues and there was back and forth absolutely when metson metson's a game developer he knows animation that's where he does concept art he did games before he actually became a lore person he used to write stories about the warcraft one units and he'd kind of like almost like do it on the side so he doesn't get in trouble for wasting time writing stories about the characters that's really how it was and he wouldn't stop doing it so they said okay we'll ship one of these stories with the warcraft one game a little bit more serious with the warcraft okay we'll actually tell a story we'll actually name some of these units that you're coming up with fine we'll do that so he knows development and when he comes to us and this is what makes him such a great creative director he pitches an idea to the guys who have to execute it so he pitches something and if they're not jiving with it or they may say well we kind of did that already in the eastern play clients and this is kind of right next to that oh okay well what do you think would work there you know and only stuff he would only like dig in his heels if it's canon that's been shipped before in warcraft 2 or maybe even warcraft 3 then he'd have to say well we can't introduce an inconsistency because that's the brand so he was super flexible and super open to cool ideas you know like on Karash he would describe it as not full on egyptian okay but it's a desert temple he doesn't want to go crazy with the hieroglyphs up the yin yang looking like egypt so that's why I had this weird the building was like a scarab beetle it was kind of like on the ground so it was like a roundish building so it didn't look like egyptian and it just found its way at least the exterior had a little bit of its own character that way it didn't look greek it didn't look roman it didn't look egyptian but it was its own thing so that's kind of how things went and sometimes technology would go oh no yeah we can't do that we'd have to scale that back you know he'd say well can you do it this way and sometimes technology well we can do it or sometimes no we can't do it that way either and sometimes design would say we've got so much content in the barons we don't need a wild west mini dungeon or newbie dungeon for the torrent torrent didn't have their own dungeons so they they cancelled that and so much content and that was one of his like little things and sometimes it's a half hour of just musing this is the easiest thing in the world to throw out versus if you got a programmer working on code for two and a half weeks if half hour or two and a half weeks you can definitely go with check out the half hour so metson was super flexible very inspiring to work because you could inject your own things and he wasn't a micromanager as long as you were in the flavor that he was going for um yeah go ahead go nuts it's not like chris reviewed every single quest text that came through too i mean there was so much stuff that had to go into the game so fast he did review names though names were absolutely something because he had a great naming scheme i have a whole chapter to go to the war i mean yeah so kind of going back to you know you're talking about the design of in the style of like a q a q 20 and a q 40 have two very like distinct designs like a q 20 is a service level raid and then a q 40 you go underground it's more cavernous um were there because you made a q first was it originally in the plans to eventually introduce 20 man raids as a kind of catch-up mechanic or no okay no we had some pieces uh we pulled out some pieces from the temple and we were going to just that was i think some of the flavor uh alan was really into the idea of this is not all of his ideas are great the uh the common areas okay the common areas are where all the elite mobs are where people are supposedly going to group up to take out elite mobs until enough people show up that you have a a dungeon crew then you'll just like without a care in the world you'll roll into that dungeon and have a grand time okay that was his vision but uh i think we just made a bunch of pieces because it was easy we had textures for it we had geometry we had its own like the visual language of what the temple was going to look like i had enough pieces that matt sanders who was the exterior level designer at the time could just arrange stuff around and i'm sure one of the probably jeff kaplan or uh alex afrasabi he was the guy behind the aq event big time he uh they probably had the idea you know what i'm feeling enough that we could make cool content for two raids here and that's probably where it happened they saw matt sanders uh putting all this flavor stuff around the temple before you go into the aq 40 area i think they saw all that and said you know we could get ourselves this just made why not do a raid on the on the surface on the exterior like uh zelgar rub so um that's unless zelgar rub came afterwards i think 1.7 yeah zg was first yeah okay so love zelgar rub um yeah so that and that's pretty much it and i remember like them trying them point metzin into the conversation saying okay what are some of what what what could be some of the boss monsters and this is my i don't know why it's funny okay where metzin okay he he he did his homework and he came up with a bunch of bosses and he came up with like i don't know six or nine bosses or something ridiculous he was always a little bit testy when you tried to nail him down on the boss because it was just something that i don't know he didn't think he needed to do right now and somebody asked him the first boss was this beast like a like an insect kind of beast coming out of the ground and he just wanted it to be beast you don't want to get too buggy or too hivish okay and this is just during the and jeff kaplan so what's the name of that monster and metz is like i don't fucking mongo you know that just just makes us it's just the funniest freaking name in the world i would love to be killing a boss need mongo okay and i don't know why that's funny but i just that's just throw something out there for now yeah well just put a price over for crying out loud get to it when we get to it you know yeah his language was so colorful too yeah he's more pepper we gotta wear more pepper to this you guys used to joke about you know he also said it needs to be epic it needs to be mighty and so we had the epicity we called it the epicity scale and the epicity yes mitocity and so we reviewed dungeons and stuff was like well it could use another point or two on the epicity scale and maybe tone down the mitocity yeah whatever we made had to have pepper the epic and mighty and those were the guiding principles yeah mitocity quantitative values for sure yeah and you know what it's funny when erin was working on the remember when erin was working on the login screen and everybody was okay so you were probably busy on business stuff at this point this is kind of at the tail end right before the probably the alpha public open beta the login screen could be anything so everybody was bothering erin about the login screen they all wanted to pitch the ideas and this is you know metzen is a dork too don't let him fill you he's a nerd just like anybody else he comes in and he i remember it was friday night erin and i were erin was ready to go home to his wife seven o'clock enrolls metzen he's like okay i want to give you my take on what could be a real cool login so this is pitch number 47 for erin hearing about what a cool login screen could be and metzen starts talking about the titans okay and metzen likes the titans like no one else likes the titans because no one else liked the titans they were the titans they were a pain in the ass to work with they were all way too hard to scale in the game when you're a little player with you know super you know galacticus type of titan type of character characters and creatures that he wanted he starts talking about how they made the world of warcraft he gets into the cosmogony of how the world was created and erin i know like i'm digging this because i'm a nerd i don't have a wife to go home to on friday night so i'm digging it i'm hearing from the source what he wanted to i can just see erin just trying not to oh she's waiting for me right now and i'm hearing this long blended piece and he we started talking about the warcraft movie that's the first time i heard about the warcraft movie he started pitching and that's the first time of course i have an opinion already on the warcraft movie on saint don't make it too complicated just do one little story just do one little story i remember telling him but anyway he starts talking and talking he goes through the whole war of warcraft one warcraft and it's just like oh don't care don't care don't care but he's the greatest director so he's kind of like trying to prop up a smile that was uh anyway that's metton sometimes that's crazy like how like just mentally invested like mentally and emotionally invested that's so cool to me sometimes he comes off very cool don't be fooled he's a dork okay he's a dork like he's got the right heavy metal the right posters but you know what he's a nerd like anybody else this is a little different between blizzard as it was and blizzard as it is now i mean you're hearing stories about how casual it was between metton and the team and how it was back and forth and everything it was really kind of flat and you had these names in blizzard and what happened later on is there was the company got really big and so some people were basically elevated and enshrined in these positions and access it becomes a problem i think that's something natural so we were there at blizzard at the time where there was everything to each other and metton is a creative director but you still have people sitting there jiving with him and pushing back and forth ideas and things like this and what happens when you get to a certain size is i think people don't have access to that anymore not as many people do and things get stratified a little more and also new people come on board people who new people who come on board are afraid to push back to challenge an idea and that you lose something when that happens but also chris chris wasn't like the person elevating himself too i don't want to it's when there's now instead of a team of 40 people you've got a hundred something people you have kind of jealousy of some people have access he only has so much time and you kind of like can't say everybody can have access to him you can understand how is a new hire someone new to the company how it can be hard to sort of like get into the clique or feel sort of at home like the other people that have been there for a very long time well the company it's not even that where you feel like it's a clique or anything it's just that the company is so large it's not physically possible interactions anymore john's right chris never elevated himself never that just happened as a function of scale you know when the company gets to be a certain size and and that's why i think people really like smaller teams that's why in pardo's new company he's all about 10-15 person teams and that's why i don't like teams above 30 because the drama index goes up and you know it's just something that you lose and i think that you know you get the best ideas when you can pitch stuff back and forth like this and everyone is playing hardball to try to get their idea out there and try to get the best idea but at the end of the day everyone just wants the right thing for the game and they're very passionate about that here's a question here did you guys ever think of guild banks going into vanilla because they were added at the tail end of TBC not in vanilla no no we're pretty sure we talked about that guild banks yeah well i guess yeah maybe so there was a laundry list of things we needed to get to pretty sure guild banks even back when we were talking about trading and we were doing the anti cheat trade interface because in Diablo 2 you could like yank the item back at the last minute and the trade would go through and the guy would be ripped off and so we would engineer all these safety mechanisms into the trade UI and also i think anytime we talked about guilds or housing or anything else i'm pretty sure storage came up but there's so much so it was originally linked to housing basically no i don't want to say that i'm saying that it was on the same sort of list that housing was it was on a wish list didn't we call it the list of love is that what we call it yeah this was so that ideas didn't get forgotten they had a whole long list there's a couple cultures of and i think it was called the list of love because it's like hey these are great ideas but we can't get to them so we're gonna keep them in this file and so people felt that their idea was listened to and heard and it wasn't a priority right now so we go into this giant list which half lived in hard copy and half lived in people's minds as memory, collective memory oh yeah we want to get to that someday that's awesome yeah we are running kind of short on time so i want to get to just a couple more questions oh there there you go that's the whiteboard with this is the designers whiteboard i don't think the list is quite there there's another whiteboard in here that does have that long list a whole bunch of ideas they put the things that they didn't like frown faces by them yeah so let's wrap it up here with a couple more questions one is was there anything for you guys that got cut from the final game that you guys really wanted to see in the game before it shipped well nothing, well let me quote Mark Kern okay we're not cutting anything we're just putting it to the back burner okay so that is Mark talking to just a burnt out dev team low morale oh this is such a cool idea why can't we do it we're not cutting it we're just pushing it off it's a living game we're going to have updates we're going to have more features so yeah that oh i've got one i know instantly every time i play the witcher that sucked into Gwent i remember how i really wanted a couple things i pitched i really wanted and a couple people really wanted a trading card game in World of Warcraft and i wanted it to be organic so that you could play it anywhere but when you went into an inn because we're always looking for a way to make inns more relevant when you played it in a city or in Goldshire or anything you would automatically be ranked competitively so you know if you go to an inn or you could play anywhere else and i really wanted to see this and i wanted to be able to be redeemed for physical cards too because we used to play so many collectible card games at Blizzard and i really really wanted to see that but the other thing that went in i got fishing i love that so that was something that Eric worked on and actually because my wife loved fishing in Japanese RPGs so and so it was a gift to her i went to Eric and i said you know can you make a fishing game that would be cool and he did and he went off with someone else Sam Latinga he coded and they put together a fishing prototype and we got into the game so i was really happy but the card game didn't make it i really wanted to see that in there especially since we played so i enjoyed Gwent in Witcher and it seems like a no brainer now with her stone right oh yeah well i mean i even mentioned this that my first time i've heard about someone from Blizzard North had made a physical card game that the designers Eric, Frank Gilson they were playing this we were all the magic they were playing you know champions and we were all playing this and going wow this is better than 80% of the CCGs out there and we wanted to have rares appear on mobs you know as a drop and oh boy i can put that into my deck you know that kind of thing but holy moly that would have been that is such a pie in the sky type i mean everybody loved it but it's kind of funny when they were talking 2002 then Blizzard made their card game okay and then her stone came how many years later i mean it was a few generations of that type of what was that 2013 or 2014 was her stone i think 2014 was the beta i think okay everyone calls it her stone but i'm pretty sure that on the team i was pronouncing it her stone for the longest time was it her? not when we were talking about the game didn't exist the rock we were talking about the rock the actual stone and every time i hear heart stone it feels weird to me because i always called it her stone i thought it was like the hearth of the plot that's by the end you've got a nice big hearth by the fire well yeah that's the correct pronunciation i've just been mispronouncing it oh okay strangely enough there's a street in Irvine called her stone so one last question i mean clearly people are going to be asking this question a lot we've all said before tips stay safe myself we all kind of expect to we're being a little bit optimistic but we're all hoping to see some sort of testing period this year when we think that the game could come out as early as next year john talked about it again on the last podcast and for you mark how do you feel like given the update that they've given with the water cooler update they said they're on the third prototype they have a plan listed out they've been pretty transparent about how do you feel it's ready when it's ready that's the blizzard mantra and it's really it all depends on what great ideas drop out of that process as they're playing that prototype what sparks the imagination about what would be cool to do and i think blizzard's going to do something really i think they're looking for something special something cool whether it's you know well i think you're going to see something that hasn't been talked about that not game changing like that but there's going to be some clever little thing in there that links the current game to the classic game or something that we haven't heard of that's what i'm hoping for because that's i've seen that happen so many times at blizzard where great ideas just percolate to the top and that's what i'm hoping for here that they've got something something special planned and if so take as long as they need you know make sure that it's quality i'm hoping this blizz con is a pretty special one that's for 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