Good afternoon. Shall we start? Okay, so my name is Hain Wang and it has a trip on then we took in a Give you a presentation about a Huawei OpenStack journey. So we are Here to tell you what do we have done why we choose that and then Huawei Open, Huawei the cloud strategy around OpenStack Okay See how this is gonna work Too far away No, okay, I'll just use my hands to do it. Okay, so I basically gonna cover is but what What contribution we have done In terms of OpenStack and how we adopt OpenStack and then how we promote OpenStack and the finance Overall Huawei cloud strategy around OpenStack So just where a short Description of what Huawei is so Huawei is a Relative a big-sized company of a hundred fifty thousand the people around the world I have 14 Regional headquarters sixteen IND centers. We have business in one hundred and forty countries and 21 joint launches a joint innovation centers 45 training centers and our business primarily Around is all around the world. So it's 33% business from China certify in the Europe and then Asia Pacific is 17% exclude China and not American Americans where small and it will have been growth revenue nicely in the last many years and IT actually is a new piece of a New part of a business in Huawei. We traditionally the telco business, but since 2009 We have been moving Strangely investing the IT business and OpenStack a cloud is a one part of the business So let's go back to the OpenStack. This is a conference. We're talking about OpenStack So we tell you our story how we get involved in OpenStack. What do we have been done? So we actually come a game pretty late. So we first we touch the OpenStack code is in the grizzly release At that time, we just like most of IT companies will react to the market and try to ride the wave So we ride our drivers for storage and that's not really contribution. It's more for Get you involved in the game and then we realize that OpenStack is something Open source is something wearing Different is in the business and then that may be the direction of future and then we also heard customers care about it open set open stack open source. So we did a Straded decision saying we should embrace the OpenStack So we apply the gold membership. We participate the contribution. We formed a very dedicated a team I just do OpenStack contributes in nothing else and and then we can we see significantly increase in the first year ago, we see if significantly increase of a contribution and then We tell rest of teams say this is good. This is fine. We can do it. Let's join. So we more broad participate in OpenStack So here's some numbers so after the Havana release and then we really Straded decision that we need to make OpenStack successful platform. We have to do significantly investment So in the ice house cycle Huawei Put a much large size of teams. So we have two committed move to the city committers and Then how are now we have 84 commits and now ice house will have a 382 How now we have a 12k code 9 contribution and ice house we doubled and so this basically are some numbers that in the static in the public record. So in the Havana release Huawei is a ranked like 20s in terms of commits and Half a year will move to the number 12 on the commit. So that's Pretty concentrated effort, but you know, we just like every other company in the beginning We actually started on entry level no hang food and Buckfix testing and we think that is the way you get into system. You understand what's going on and You build your comfort zone and moving forward. So after the ice house release. We actually more broadly participated In the OpenStack. So here's just some data so you can on that side is basically the category of The place that people ranked in OpenStack So we when we started the grizzly we have lots of items basically is a number 50 number basically you have nothing We have some of them contributed high and During the three cycle of release You can see we actually the curve isn't definitely is much nice is moving for up forward And more importantly what you will see some heavy items. So beginning we more Buckfix and five bucks and Result box and later we are more on the BP the blueprint. That's more inferential in the long run So you can see we like drafted the BP will rank like number three or four Accepted the BP is our top 10. So this basically show that we more broad participate more deep participating OpenStack Just give you overview and this is a Right side is a the table that lists all the major modules in OpenStack How we ranked inside? Number don't tell our story what we want to really tell you that we OpenStack is a very open environment. So as long as you committed your focus You will see the result and then we feel very rewarding going through this and as I hear I'm also Encouraging other people are coming because this is the place you can You can contribute your ideas. You can learn what what other people are doing. You can help the community to build a better part Better softwares. So this basically showing our broad participation and then OpenStack is basically this open source They also want you to innovate on top of open source. So this basically this page summarized The green field project that we participated either as a leader or as a very early participant So the compass will have few talks in the summit It's open source OpenStack provisioning and monitoring system that we build and it's open source and that's the Spirit of open source you build on top other open source technology to move forward and deaf call and the rough stack and this is Two things that we push really hard. We are very early Probably four funding teams starting this What they do is that they want to define a core module in OpenStack and then that's what deaf cause rough stack is basically Build the benchmark to measure this for modules of the core modules What I really tell the outside is that you can Right now everybody have an OpenStack, but you don't know which one is good which one is not good So this basically set up a benchmark you can You can give a score whether they really OpenStack compatible or What is it then the next level probably performance and other things? So I think these two things is OpenStack foundations effort is actually Pretty much to show the maturity of OpenStack. So you actually can compare instead of You just just hear other people say my open stack is the best That one's not so this is basically that one and then the log of rationalization is a lead by Huawei people is basically from operation perspective OpenStack is developed Where module is each module relative independent here? Just glue all the module to have a log so people can look at a system How doing well and it's very early stage and then the Congress. This is a network policy things We'll work with the way and we'll try to have a complete the spec and then this being pushed in the community We also build a first node pool outside US. So the node pool is basically a testing pool for you to run the test on the on The machine set of machines and right now all the node pool is in the US most of founded by HP Rackspace and then we build our first no pool in China. So people can Also put the job on top the node pool that operate by a sponsored by Huawei Okay Okay, so that's basically the numbers. So here we tell you the story behind that so Contributing experience. So we we actually they just show you what we have done and For for us lots of things for Huawei as a company lots of things relatively new So we are just like most of company used to be the close close close source company So the culture open source culture is a challenge for us. So we first we had to learn What do you mean for Participate in a contribution and And it's very different than the traditional software development individuals have to be motivated To participate and if you do in-house development, you are well-defined a schedule You have a milestones your manager tell you what to do your architecture team But in the open source world is very different You have to figure out How you can contribute you also have to lobby the people to support your ideas before you're going forward Especially the new people say you you got nobody coming It will be surprised your first coming you become productive contributors people saying How do you know what you do? So our first checking code initially is like three months before you check in the first line of code Because you have to know what's going on. I think this is good The bar high is guaranteed to have assurance for the quality of code But at the same time it bring lots of burden for lots of a company when you through resource there You don't see the result and then you have lots of pressure on the individuals Collaboration there's another thing you have to collaborate especially on the BP side You cannot just say this is my idea. You stuck there going forward. It's very hard So you have to know how to cooperate with others And and and then building on success.  We actually put a few people there figure out how to do it And after they succeeded we get a more people involved So you have a core team that know what's going on have confident then you gradually grew up teams and Freedom choice. That's another thing that you have the people join open source contribution have to be motivated Otherwise, you're gonna be troubles. So one way for motivate people is we let them choose which module They feel comfortable to contribute. So the freedom for a choice. It's a one that we really encourage it inside the developers. So if the guy Spend a few weeks and then say this is the part I like and I feel productive the more encourage To basically leverage the strengths moving forward So I think every company can come to contribution. They will have a set of a unique challenges Here we list the sum of challenges that we have as a Huawei and First is a language barrier. So open source is basically open stack specifically. It's English dominant And so we don't have a one of you and if it's Chinese dominant our guys probably much faster to do lots of stuff So this is very but we have to accept it. So we We're doing work. We're trying to encourage people To spend more time Usually we encourage people have better English to join first and also teamwork So you've had one guy English pretty good. The other one is not so you pair them together Of course, we have lots of place that we need to improve for example in a review and an email exchange We're always number is pretty low and obvious that they're not English speakers. They cannot participate and on lots of a tools IPC and it's not a Very interactive in this case. They lost if it's fast interaction if you're not native speakers It's just one digit. So and for that we compensated to high people in different places So we have mostly in China. We have big team in US on big It's not a huge but a few people and then we also hire people from Europe and if you guys here You want to work open source open stack? You can we have a Quote for the high more people here. We have also in Israel and India. So the people better English. They can help other people other members that may not as good as a Assistant and then next one is a culture clash. That's very obvious for my Chinese team Because in Asia in general, they're not that open discussion for doing things and then my open stack is the one that very much All the discussion going on everything discussed before you do anything So this is a shock for lots of our team but it will get over and distance and that's a different time zone when you have a full energy get people discussed be everybody sleep because you're on different times and When people discuss you are left out because when you wake up the things already solved Oh, they are dissing. So that's also a disadvantage for us So I'm just list of them. We didn't solve all the problem But I'm just saying you need to prepare When you come to this a new world, but I think the read we continue to do this without giving up is that we believe open Stack is international movement is global movement. We need participation for all the people who will eventually be the users or the Developers so we we know some limitations but we try to make it work and I think Some of your company may join you may have different set of problem I think you expect this one and the journey is rewarding. So I think the open stacks Every six months you will see a stuff move out. Lots of people use it and if you contribute where you've been recognized There's a there's also have a benchmark inside a Open stack the ranked people in terms of the inference. So those are the sort of outside incentive for people to move forward okay, and Okay, that's a contribution part then Make a open-stack success. You have to also you have to use yourself You cannot just pitch it to others without a use yourself. So adoption is big part of for us we we started the Definitely internally we first I think it's 2011 11 or to the auditor that we have first open-stack cloud that is for the IND team to evaluate And then after they feel comfortable we move out big data research on on top of that because those Hadoop cluster if you do physical one is very Expansive or not flexible, but if you're doing in what your environment, it's much easier You can easily spawn 15 nodes of Hadoop in this VM. It can easily scale down so Big data research in Huawei. They basically all use the open-stack platform And then the nfv is relatively new usually the new things you move to the cloud is easy Now harder on the legacy one is harder. So we really choose the one more greenfield And and and next so internal what though this is a more undecided so on the How internal IT we what we first to do is to build a relative size of a cluster for test of the well Internal and our goal is that by next year of this time. We probably have 230 Sobs and the VMs running open-stack because we use lots of resources for testing for The simulations lots of stuff. We think those work loader can move to open-stack So we want to we change our internal infrastructure from current user old-generation Manframe workstation Many and then the proprietary Platforms move graduate to the open-stack, but I now expect to be easy So the web testing will be easier web property. Those are easy to move to the open-stack If Oracle app or project capacities pop, but we will probably building the open-stack API around them So from development perspective for management you look deal with the one API, but the The underlying system you don't need a necessary to change So whenever go for the mission for open-stack is to make ubiquitous open-source cloud platform for public or private What do we do? We first making ubiquitous cloud platform inside of Huawei So we wanted all the project all the things around open-stack. So this is the API for you to Support for hardware. This is the API for you to write the application on top. So that's our practice we use So the new cloud strategy is also around open-stack How come they don't move? This must not build on open-stack Sorry, I mean figure out what's going on. How come my machine stuck? So I say I'm gonna talk about the rest of them. Okay, so so internally we Approach and then next one is promotion. So we what do we do that? We try to we tell all Potential customers to promote open-stack especially telco. So two big sectors we have Is good great Telco and the China market is that we have much more influence So we sponsor lots of open-stack related event like this event. You see why we as a headline sponsor We also sponsor open-stack event. That's not aware convenient. Lots of people don't know it. So for example Not American and Mexico, Brazil because we have a Team around the world so we were able to promote this bit because we believe Eventually the new technology adoption depends on the standard and Open systems and for emerging countries This is going to be opportunity for them to leap forward to catch up with rest of words So we do lots of promotion and the bottom in that When the mobile world of Congress we hold an open cloud Forum we might Jonathan and many others middle to promote open-stack and Open-stack they have a meet-up. So we Ready two years. We basically the participate participant a beneficiary and later on. We're also hosting the Meet-up. This is another way To promote the technology related with open-stack Okay, so now I'm back to the so that's a three-part of open-stack contribution adoption Promotion and then we doing where we're starting slow, but we're doing pretty good We encourage more people to participate now the eventually we are the business. You have to understand why you promote this one. What's a What do you what do you want to do eventually? So here's our basically high-level cloud strategy So we support standards in Bristle open source and Huawei is very successful Telco because telco have a standard Telco have a standard that you can when they can choose what is the best equipment the best performance so we benefit a lot and And I think an open the standard system will drive adoptions reduce the cost for mass adoptions Mentioned success and opens and telcos So here's our Overall open-stack strategy. We first is to make open-stack successful through contributions and that's what we've been doing We are gonna Double our team in the next years to continue to do it. I think it's crucial to make open-stack success I think the most egg is winning the mind share for sure. It will become a next generation of cloud platform management platform For lots for for ITs, but they still have bigger gap to be a mature product. So Company like Huawei should Continue the effort or double the effort and the second is we want to become a capable technology partner to help our customer dub open-stack so open-stack Open source is primarily driven by technologists Their focus is to have a cool Things that Used to be do used to be very hard or impossible, but they pay pay less attention about how easy to use how To be compatible Upgradable reliability those issues that you're not open source communities Main interest. So what do we want to do is we want ourself to be very good on that and same time to enhance and Building the tools around open-stack to make it easy to consume by the customers you got open-stack and and is a Framework that they don't is the self is not an end-to-end solutions. There's a lots of pieces you need to put together that's we Put a lot of effort on that and so that Open Cloud is a relatively new there's lots unknown territory yet. We haven't explored so innovation on top of open-stack is crucial to Keep going. So we do We want to innovate on that and I also want to build end-to-end solution for Based on open-stack. So that's basically our strategy and this year. We just launched our first Open-stack based Solution we call fusions where for that I will not ask mr. Ren To introduce and tell us what are we fusions where 5.0 means? Okay Hello everyone. So I will explain the Huawei cloud strategy from the business concept so It's the last decade always Everybody say that software will reach each the world. So Yesterday the new thing is that the open source will reach software. So we're changing so fast Yeah, so from our side, we see open source from technical perspective I open source technology will leading the IT transformation direction Yeah, and open source key open source object that Open stack will become the de facto standard and the platform in the new world So from enterprise or customer perspective We see the customer want Google like or Amazon like deep center in their backyard so by the lack of the skill sides to put up this infrastructure and The customer and user customer. They want security control and customize their IT environment on cloud so we see the gap between the Enterprise user want and The open source tenant technology can offer. So we see the gap So that's why we build up our cloud strategy Our strategy is leveraging open source technology Product has all of the open stack technology into a deliverable form that the enterprise or source providers can easily be used can measure can Can to offer their service So this is our cloud strategy So based on that open source like open stack We release the nearest fusion sphere our call our cloud operating system our cause Our overall cloud strategy is supported by our fusion family product for the for you So fusion sphere is Huawei cloud operating system product and solution so it's totally based on open stack platform and It can integrate with Huawei hypervisor fusion compute Huawei STS software defense storage fusion storage and the fusion network Huawei software different networking components but it can also integrate with third party components like KVM like EXI and sex like all of these third party components and And also integrate with open source like the source such of things So Huawei platform is totally open. It can easily plug and play with third party components. So we Just to pack all of the components into the cloud stack a full stack that's over to our targeted customer So that's also the Overall strategy. So our targeted customer, obviously Telecom sector and In the China market and the emerging market and the euro. This is our target customer. Our solutions is totally open Not only the cloud operating system, but run up upon that is our big data platform. We call it a fusion inside platform. It's a Totally based on the had to top so based on a spark and We also provide over our customer the unified access Solution we call the fusion access Yeah, from anywhere from any device you can consume the cloud service over in the day center so the The third one the the first one is a fusion cube fusion cube is a convert infrastructure you just to pack all of the Technology components into a box. We call it cloud in a box. It can deliver one stop Nets up the one stop the answer solution to the end users so it's almost all the strategy and Okay, so That's basically we want to show you I forgot a one. Oh, yeah, this is the one that We sort of all in for the open stack. So we have a September we have a or call Huawei cloud of Congress that have over 10,000 people attended and also about over 20,000 online and we actually Half the day at the keynote the most of me is about open stay. It's like this conference. We talk a lot about open stack So we really all in for the open stack. We double down the contributions. We expand promotion but as we said we focus the two market is China and Telcos, but I think open stack is still where early again. So we need them all Effort to make them a mature product. We also partner with many of the technology Companies to push this I think a cloud like most people will believe the cloud Hopefully the cloud stand up by open stack Is going to be big part of future it's and I think this is an opportunity to Realize that. Oh Yeah, so that's good question. So that's another reason we support open stack. So open stack is more We treat them all like a standard, right? So if you support open stack API, you should easy to plug into Huawei's It's not that we want to push everything in the Huawei. I think it's not reasonable. It's just we have to have a And we want to provide end-to-end solution But our goal is not the custom to pick which part of you want for example, you want red hat operating system So we can make work with audio from red hat if you want Ubuntu's they could be Ubuntu's and then for the storage you could choose EMC you could choose some startup software defined storage SDN it will have so many wonders That's a wonder for that. I think for us is that for customer. We want to put an end solution, but With the choice he has So we are more open. I think open stack give us the opportunity to do that You get if the industrial all support open stack, you don't need to worry of compatibility because everybody in the support Open-stack APIs. So I think that's a beauty of Couple So for how we provide overall to a customer the customer like we provided a customized full cloud stack Yeah, most of the components customer preferred and we can integrate and pre-tized and pre-optimized True for the end user experience So it's fully coupled So and then we are not only an average open source, but we innovate on open source Yeah, like open stack we innovate as a cascading open stack model the integrate or it can connect to be the multiple multi-vendor open stack instance into a one large one large open stack Instance so you can use open stack instance the multi-side ditch center as a one large cloud cloud computer Where the standard open API? So that's a Innovate so okay and question Yeah, I think the most company where you actually come same company. I think initially we sort of say yeah, how about you? fix bugs and Contributions, but I think open-sort itself have moving so fast if it just part time You will not be good program there and you have to be hundred percent there Even you just off you say oh, there's a important project. Maybe he go out to two months come back You were behind so that's why we decided those people do nothing, but open stack of course He can teach others so Building our success another party that those guys actually the mantle for other new people to come in So I think this this dedication is necessary. It's not part-time job so currently we have the more than 100 engineers the folks on the community and we do have another another 500 engineers Developer of the relative the products and solutions. Okay. Thank you guys for coming


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Coming up on DTNS, the truth about China's latest move against cryptocurrency, how a New Zealand district council can help you look like you're working, and what device makers do to keep from raising prices. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, September 24th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. Draw on the top tech stories from Cleveland, I'm Len Peralta. I'm Roger Chang, the show's producer. And joining us, Senior Producer at CNET, Ashley Esqueda is back on the show. Welcome back, Ashley. Hi, friends. Happy Friday. Happy iPhone Day. Also to you. Did you get your iPhone? No, of course not. The curse continues. I'm sorry to hear that. We were just talking about Ashley's escaping child and the new Ray-Ban stories that I'm wearing on my face. If you'd like to get our opinions on all of those things, get Good Day Internet. Become a member at Patreon.com. That is where you can join top patrons like Erwinster, Ken Hayes, and Philip Shane. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. The Wall Street Journal sources say that U.S. Justice Department and Huawei's CTO, Meng Wanzhou, have reached an agreement to let her return to her home in China after almost three years after being detained in Canada on behalf of the U.S. She was entered into court this afternoon and will reportedly require Meng to admit some wrongdoing. Prosecutors will defer and then later drop wire and bank fraud charges in exchange for her admissions. As well as being the financial chief, Meng is the daughter of Reng Zhengfei, Huawei's founder. Apple just pushed a software update to fix the bug that prevented access to Apple Music for users of iPhone 13, 9th Gen iPad, and 6th Gen iPad Minis if they restored from backup, which is a lot of things that people do when they set up a new device. Epic Games announced that its easy anti-cheat system now runs on Linux and Mac OS. The company said this is specifically set up to work with Proton and Wine compatibility laders used by Valve's upcoming Steam Deck to run Windows games. Anti-cheat software maker Battoli confirms its software will soon be compatible with the Steam Deck as well. According to a stock exchange filing on Friday, Alibaba plans to sell its minority stake in state-owned broadcaster Mango Excellent Media. The government asked Alibaba in March to defest itself of media assets to reduce its sway over public opinion. Meanwhile, Tencent has completed its merger with China's second most popular search engine, SoGoo. SoGoo has 14.3% of the search market in China behind Baidu, which has 76.7%. Paltry, so. Two stories of note out of India. Amazon launched Prime Video Channels in India, allowing customers of Prime Video to add on eight streaming channels including Discovery Plus, Mubi, Hoi Choy, Daki Bay, Aerosnow, Lionsgate Play, Manorama Max, and Shorts TV. Meanwhile, the state of Karnataka has proposed a ban on online games that involve betting and wagering such as Fantasy Crickets. Three other states already have banned this practice. One of them has been the wickets and mallets game, not Fantasy Jiminy Crickets. Just in case anybody asks. Yeah, just a really popular game. All right, let's talk about the People's Bank of China issuing a joint statement with nine other government agencies reminding all Chinese nationals, even those working overseas, that quote, there are legal risks for individuals and organizations participating in virtual currency and trading activities. And significantly wrote that quote, overseas virtual currency exchanges that use the internet to offer services to domestic residents is also considered illegal financial activity, adding that workers at foreign crypto exchanges will be investigated. This has been oversimplified in a lot of headlines you'll see as China banning cryptocurrencies, which doesn't give you the whole picture. It's not exactly wrong, but China banned trading cryptocurrencies in 2019. That part's not new. Chinese nationals have been getting around the law by using foreign exchanges. In May, state institutions warn citizens that they would have no legal protection if they continued to trade cryptocurrencies. In June, China ordered banks to stop facilitating transactions that might be used to trade on foreign exchanges and banned mining of cryptocurrencies. That's when you suddenly saw the price of a graphics card plummet for a brief period and as everybody tried to figure out how to build mining operations somewhere else. And Friday, they issued this new statement, basically tells people if you're still trading cryptocurrencies, you're committing a crime and the prosecutions are about to start. We've been warning you for years. Now we're going to come after you. Unless of course you're using the virtual currency issued by the People's Bank of China, then you're totally fine. Totally good there. No problems.  But I wonder how truly enforceable this is. I know this is meant as a scare tactic because obviously it hasn't stopped entirely. But yeah, how many folks will say, I don't really think you're going to find me? Yeah, the idea that China seems to be pushing is this is for your own good. You're going to get ripped off if you use this. And then this Friday it became and we're not kidding anymore. So I think it probably achieves China's goal, which is they want to reduce the amount of cryptocurrency trading to something close to negligible domestically. And they don't want people getting around with foreign exchanges. They want to close as many loopholes. They know that they won't eliminate it entirely, but they can make it a criminal enterprise versus something akin to speeding, which it was for a while. Like, well, I know it's against the rules, but now it's like, oh yeah, you're going to be in trouble if you get caught. Ashley, do you have any thoughts on that? I feel like that's exactly right, which is to say they're trying to get all of the casual cryptocurrency users to just say, well, this is just now one step, not worth it. Finally, it's at a point where it feels like it's not worth it. I'm just going to stop. I don't want to get in trouble. I'll try to sweep up that round of people, which is like, you know, whenever things like this happen, it's always like you get the first round of people who will stop doing it just because they said to stop doing it.  It's like, then there's a new development and then there's another group of people who stopped. Then there's another group of people. So now it feels like this is sort of like you said, it's an effort to get it down to a negligible amount. And, you know, I don't live in China. I don't have experience with it. So I can't say if it will be really effective or not. I think that we've kind of seen some interesting developments down in Central America with cryptocurrency there and the roll out of that as sort of national currency accepted. But yeah, I'm really curious to see how this rolls out and if it's effective. Very curious. My guess is it'll be very effective. In fact, maybe too effective. If anything, what's going to happen is China is going to miss out on some innovation around cryptocurrency because they have now pushed it into the fringes. And the respectable companies that are under constant crackdown right now are not going to touch it. And the development of cryptocurrency and blockchain forward stuff that is legitimate and does happen is not going to happen in China right now. And they may live to regret that. That said, they do have their official central bank digital currency that they're pushing from the People's Bank of China. A lot of development that can happen on there. So they're not going to be devoid of all cryptocurrency related developments, but it's certainly not going to be a boom area for development in that particular discipline. That's a great point. Well, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman and Priya Anand sources say that Amazon is planning a 15 inch wall mountable echo display code named Hoya designed to be a smart home control panel of sorts. The company is also reportedly working on echo soundbars with integrated cameras for video calls as well as a second gen echo auto product that would offer wireless charging and access to Amazon's voice assistant. Sources also say Amazon has a team working on custom chips to power future echo devices as well as improving syncing across its device categories. Now, obviously these are just rumors, but we'll probably find out sooner or later because Amazon has a product announcement scheduled for September 28. Yeah, so we'll find out for sure next week. No robot. No, no voice activated robot. Where's the tiny Jeff Bezos that walks around your house? Where's that? Yeah, it makes you money. Yeah. Yeah. And just prints money. Like just prints. Or at least my crypto or something. You haven't ordered sardines in four weeks. Would you like me to add it to your cart? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Literally what all my echo does to me. My echo show I love, you know, it sits on one of my dressers and when I first was like wall mounted echo, who would want that where you could just put it anywhere instead? But that's like saying who would want a wall mounted TV when you could put a TV on lots of different surfaces? I mean, I think this actually makes a lot of sense. Love a good soundbar. I don't need one. I already have one from Sonos. But yeah, I like the idea of the echo product line expanding. I could see if they announced next week that they pitch it as a smart home panel instead of a thermostat. That's what I imagine. You put that up right by your front door. That's the thing that, you know, you talk to it as you're walking in or as you're leaving and it sets up all your home stuff. Like that's the use case that I imagine when I think of a device like this. Yeah, I kind of expect it to be something like that. And if they do that, that'll make sense to me. Everybody seems to want to do video calls these days. So, you know, a soundbar with a camera on it probably be useful. Some people will find out next week. There are many updates in iOS 15, including support for bidirectional hearing aids, recognizing audiograms used in hearing tests and some increased detail about images and voiceover. But one interesting addition is an accessibility feature to help neurodivergent people retain focus and maintain calm. In the accessibility settings under hearing, you can find a section called audio visual with an option for background sounds. The sounds will continuously play in the background to mask unwanted environmental or external noise and the sounds mix into or duck under other audio and system sounds. You can choose to have them not play when you're listening to music or even like stay playing if you're listening to music or podcasts. Options include balanced noise, rain, bright noise, dark noise, ocean and stream. I love this. I didn't realize that was one of the features in iOS 15. This is great. I mean, there are a lot of people who need things like this.  It's very helpful for me as creating a calming atmosphere. So, this is a really awesome accessibility feature. I hope a lot of people use it. Even people who maybe are not neurodivergent. I mean, this is a really great feature. It's a great feature. I think this is amazing. And I would like to see more things like this included in software updates going forward. Between this and also the surface accessibility, the adaptive kit for surface this week. That was really great. And I think that it's important to keep your products, keep people in mind who are not quote unquote normal. Or who are disabled or who have challenges that they face. They need those accessibility options. And I think this is great. More. Give me more. More, more, more, more, more. Let's just be as inclusive as possible. This is great. Yeah, I think for so long, well, there was a time where folks with various disabilities just either were left out entirely or needed sometimes complicated work arounds in order to be on a level playing field and kind of be able to do what everybody else was doing. And more and more as we see more accessibility settings added into various products by various companies, I feel like we're getting to a point and there's still a long way to go, but getting to a point where that's the base product. The base product is an accessible device. If you don't need that certain accessibility feature, but you can find a way to use it for your own, for, for your own stuff. Awesome.  I use that too sometimes where I like really need to concentrate and just any noise in the world will bother me like a crowded office or something. Not that I've been in one for a while, but that sort of thing. But if you actually needed it to really kind of maintain peace in your life, that is, that is something that, you know, having that built in the, you know, as the base, those folks are being considered at the very beginning of new hardware and software products. That's a cool thing. Yeah. One of the reasons I thought it was cool. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was cool to talk about this today in part because we do hear more these days about accessibility for hearing and vision. You don't hear about a lot of the other accessibility options. When we did Accessibility Week earlier this year, we had a guest in with dwarfism and talking about the accessibility challenges of that. So I thought, you know, the fact that there is an accessibility feature for neurodivergent individuals of which there are many, I think it's important to call that out too is like their accessibility doesn't just mean I can't see or I can't hear. It can mean that. It can mean that in combination. It can mean a lot of things. And I thought this was an interesting feature that is included here. All right, folks, if you like tech news, check out the Tech John podcast featuring Rob Dunwood, Terence Gaines and Stephanie Humphrey. The Tech John takes a second look at the week's topics, but delivered from an African American perspective. You can follow it over at thetechjohn, J-A-W-N, thetechjohn.com. That's T-E-C-H, J-A-W-N, dot com. Protocol has an excellent article explaining how a pretty mundane economic topic is being put to use frequently by tech companies to avoid having to raise prices. With the supply chain a mess and chip manufacturing past capacity, the cost of making some devices has gone up. But despite what many people on Twitter and elsewhere seem to think, price is not just unilaterally set by the manufacturer and everybody pays it no matter what. What people are willing to pay does push down on what a company can charge. And a price increase will almost always cause an outcry amongst customers. An outcry that these days is heard around the world because we have all these platforms where people can complain about it. So protocol points out that companies are using what's called a good, better, best pricing strategy to maintain their profits in the face of increasing costs. They use Roku as an example, and I think it's a good one. It didn't raise prices recently on any of its Rokus. However, it did introduce a new streaming stick, the streaming stick 4K+, at $70. That's $20 more than the streaming stick plus, which was replaced by the streaming stick 4K at $50. Now, before this lineup change, they had a $30 or $40 and a $50 option. And most people go for a mid-priced tier in a lineup like that. So in this case, they would have gone for $40. But now with a $70 option at the top, more people are going to go for the $50 option instead of the $40 option. And it ends up having the effect of a price raise for Roku without customers seeing it as a price raise. This works for Roku in part because older models have gotten cheaper to make since their first release and Roku is willing to sell some devices at a loss in order to get customers that can make money off of through advertising and service revenue. It doesn't always work and it isn't always used. Protocol points out that Sonos just raised prices across its lineup. But in that case, CFO Brittany Bagley made it clear they were going to do that in their last earnings call and said the price of components is going up, so the price of the products has to go up too. And that's the other way to do it is just be transparent and get ahead of it to tell your customers, hey, we're really sorry, but this is why. But I thought it was fascinating because I think a lot of people just jump to the conclusion. Well, when the component price goes up, they're going to raise the price on me. And the fact is, it's not that easy. They can't just do that. But if they're paying more for components, they do have to figure out a way to make that money back somehow. It seems like Roku, I don't know if I would say Roku got lucky, but Roku was able to say, well, here's our product roadmap. This is the stuff we're already working on anyway. Here's how we don't just jack up a bunch of prices and freak out customers and therefore sell fewer units. We have, you know, this new top of the line stick, you know, 4k plus, and it's going to be a little bit more. And customers go, well, yeah, it's a little bit more because it's the coolest one. But I think that that median $50 price feels fair, even though the median price used to be more like $40. I think it's, you know, some of this is clever marketing, but not every company such as Sonos has the luxury of saying, well, we have this product already. So let's just do some fancy footwork so that nobody really feels like we're gouging them. Yeah, yeah. Another example that Janko Wreckers used in that protocol article is the iPhone. iPhone prices did not go up. The iPhone 13s all cost the same as the iPhone 12s, except they added the terabyte iPhone 13 Pro Max, which is the most expensive iPhone ever at $1,599. So the headline was that Apple announces most expensive iPhone ever. The headline was iPhone prices stay the same and yet they're able to bring in more money at the top end because they have that new option. Indeed. Well, people pretending to be working in order not to be bothered is a practice as old as the job itself. I may have done this once or twice in my youth. In recent decades, we've had things like the boss screen, which the flick of a keystroke pulls up a spreadsheet on your screen when the boss gets close. You're busy working. Do it all sorts of spreadsheet stuff. There's even a version that lets you play the game 2048 inside a spreadsheet, but you're working because it's spreadsheet when the boss is coming. New Zealand's WIPA District Council has somehow become this sort of modern equivalent of this. The Council's Finance and Corporate Committee held a Zoom conference on April 20, 2020. This was during lockdown and being a public governmental council posted it online for citizens to view all the proceedings. Now, all part of good transparency, democracy at work, right? Citizens, everybody knows what's going on. Well, it has 57, 800 people in it. So a typical meeting video gets dreamed a few hundred times. The April 20, 2020 Finance and Corporate Committee Zoom meeting has now been viewed more than 300,000 times. Kind of a lot. Wow. It must have been a really interesting meeting. Comments on the video include anyone else using this just so they can sound like they're in a meeting so the other family members don't disturb them while they're working from home. Another comment says, literally, put this Zoom call in at work so it looked like I was busy and was avoiding having to deal with a stressful individual and it worked. Thank you. Yet another comment said, ended up learning more about their council than my own company. The Wait District Council noted Friday that this video is now charting above meeting by Gucci Mane, which is, I guess, another way to distract yourself from others. So thank you, internet. That is incredible. Yeah, right. Like, have you taken a look at this? I haven't heard this. I haven't. I have not heard of this. So a year ago, we did a video called, I pre-recorded myself in Zoom meetings for a week and nobody knew. You may have seen it. It has like, I think it has over 13 million views now. It's like doing, did really well. And one of our co-workers, we like schemed with him to basically pre-record all of his responses, like generic vague responses to meetings and then he ended up playing them like during meetings and it was very funny. This is amazing. I would like to, I may actually take advantage of this. Just play it whenever my kid comes to the door and he's like, Mommy, come out and, you know, watch Cookie Monster. I'm in a meeting. I'm sorry. Although, how many times can you get away with it before someone's like, wait a second. I know this meeting. Something's off. The second time, my son will be like, you've, I've heard this before. You've been in this meeting before. And I thought that was one of the more fascinating things about this is it wasn't just people in an office trying to look busy while the boss was looking over their shoulder. It was also people at home. Like you're saying, Ashley, who are like, I need my family. I need my space. I'm sorry. I'm so busy. Oh, gotta learn about this meeting. It's very important strategy. Don't perceive me. I'm so, I'm just so many meetings all day. I feel like there's a startup here. Where's the Apple feature for this? Where's put in the white noise? Just put a meeting in there. Throw the extra droney sort of Charlie Brown adult wah wah noises as meetings. That was actually one of the, one of the things the Wipo City, our district council people were saying is like, I guess our accent is sounds very businessy. You know, so, so it works across the world somehow. Less than New Zealanders. We just, I never, it's pretty good. Never took advantage of the boss screen, but I did start to, and this is just, it just depends on where you work, start to notice the kinds of things on your screen that the boss would be suspicious of, even if you were working. For example, a slack window, because it might be the work slack, but it might be all sorts of other slacks you could be in that sort of thing. So, yeah, gotta, you know, stay on your toes everybody. I'm fortunate enough to say I've never had to use the boss key, the boss screen. But, but yeah, I know of people who used it pretty prolifically before we all went home. Well, thank you New Zealand for Taika Waititi, Flight of the Concords, what we do in the shadows, and now the Wipa District Council Zoom call. Yeah. Yeah. Now I gotta watch the thing. I'm curious. Well, if you, if you're curious about traveling, and some of you are getting back out there, and if you're the kind of traveler that also likes to indulge in a pint or two on your vacation, perhaps in a new place, new pints, Chris Christensen has just the app for you. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another tech in travel minute. Whether you're traveling to Belgium or Germany or whether you're just traveling down the street to your local bar, one popular app for beer lovers is Untapped. Untapped lets you keep track of what beers you've tried and did you like them. So you can remember what that beer was that Fred told you that you'd like, or you can remember to avoid that other one that was really, really bad. You can find the app in the App Store or at Untapped without the E, U-N-T-A-P-P-D dot com. Check out Untapped dot com if you like beer. And this is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. I've been using Untapped for years, and I'm glad it's stuck around. I always, when I have used it, it has been a minute since I've used it. But when I have used it, you know, when traveling and trying new beers, it's always nice to get cheered by somebody in the locale and get some insight into that kind of beer and where it came from and others like it. So it's good stuff. All right, let's check out the mail bag. Let's do it. Russell wrote in and said, a few shows back, you were talking about e-ink and some of the uses. Russell says, I was in a Best Buy in New York City yesterday, and I noticed that all of their product tags next to the products were using an e-ink display instead of the usual cardboard signs. Thought this was kind of interesting. Ah, yeah. I have seen those kinds of things being used for like sales and stuff, but not in the case like he's showing where you've got like the product, not only the price, but the specs and everything. I'll print it out like Best Buy usually has. That's probably not cheaper than doing paper at first, but it's certainly going to save you time when you need to update it because you can update it remotely and keep it up to date faster than having to print something out and send somebody out to swap it out. Yeah, exactly. And I wonder how many times if something is, I don't know, mismarked, right, that they have to honor the price and it has to do with not updating quickly enough. So this might just end up saving Best Buy a lot in the long run. Sure. That's interesting. Yeah, that's actually, I think that you're, I think you're probably onto something there, right, where it's like, one, it doesn't, it's not as wasteful. You're not using as much paper for printing out everything, but then also like, you know, in the morning, you just roll out the price updates or it does Best Buy corporate roll out those prices, right? It's like doesn't even come from the store itself. There's like no pricing specifically done there anymore. Is it now just sort of a wider corporate thing where they just push the prices in the morning? It's just like, hey, there's prices of this thing now. It'll be like stocks, right? Like fluctuating all day. It does pay the price. It's a Bitcoin. It'll be just you hope that you get into a crash and get great prices on stuff.  It just changes. Yeah, based on your walking by, it uses a BLE.  Oh, you spend a lot. Five dollars off. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Well, thanks, Russell. I'm always good to have firsthand stuff. And if anybody else notices anything out in the wild that you think would be great for the show, questions, comments, all that good stuff. Maybe you're going to be out and about over the weekend and you see something you think would interest us. Please do send us an email feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. We also want to thank our brand new boss and that boss's name is Terry Laird. Terry just started backing us on Patreon. So thank you, Terry. 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So, technically my first open source contribution was to a role-playing game called Dusk. It was probably the first free open source graphical role-playing game in existence. I think there was a GPL license in that source repository at a time that didn't really mean a whole lot to me other than that it was available and I could commit code and no one cared if I was 13. That was just like magical access. What is it about the open source attraction? I always found it inspirational to be around people who seemed really driven by reputation and their personal contributions and owning their work. The idea that every line of code can be traced back to an individual rather than a corporation is sort of fascinating in the transparency and accountability that it provides and that accountability I think really has good upward pressure on code quality and community quality and everyone's willingness to be a good citizen. When you started out to make Hypothesis, what problem did you see that you wanted to solve? We are inundated with so much information of all different sorts in our lives. I think for me there was a point around 2000 where I really started to pay attention to the narrative as told by different people with different points of view and how difficult it seemed for people to come to consensus. I would appreciate having access to people who really knew about a particular domain deeply when I was casually reading some information and I think that desire to find a way to enable that is what drove me to this project. So things I liked about Hypothesis immediately were that you had good answers for all of your principles and you had principles laid out. Clearly open source at its core really resonated with me particularly with respect to Hypothesis as a communication platform, inheriting all of the things I like about platforms for communication and how they drive participation from developers. The thing that really kind of transformed the way I think about open source is when I read a book called Two Bits in which the author discusses the idea of a recursive public. In other words a commons or public where people get together for whatever their interests are but whose ability to convene that group is itself dependent upon the work of the group and therefore people working in open source are often equally interested in how to make workflow and communication for the developers better as much as they are making products for end users. If you are at a company and the software that you're making is not being consumed by you it's a constant struggle to remain in touch with who your users are but when you are your own user is a really powerful motivation that comes from it. Did you have prior exposure to open source software before you started Hypothesis? In my first company we used the Apache web server so I benefited from open source software. It was really the movement and the extraordinary powerful change that we see now because things like GitHub and earlier SourceForge really drove the ability to create the diversity of open source platforms that we have now and share them and reuse them. So then what is it that attracted you to open source as a principle of Hypothesis development? We haven't kind of seen other projects that have tried to do this over the last 15 years and kind of deconstructing why we don't have this yet. There's a couple things that became really obvious. One is that trying to create a walled garden and monetize that but at the same time being trying to invite the world in to participate and make it valuable wasn't going to work on this particular project and I think it's why the previous ones have failed. Partly that means I think we need to be non-profit organized for the purpose of preserving this and with our mission aligned with our users. But open source is a super important component of that because not only we're trying to build this community but what we're also trying to do is build a toolkit that enables this technology to be implemented in this way and then make that toolkit available for anybody else that wants to interoperate and exchange and participate even if they're not using our stuff. And I think that's like the secret strategy of this in a sense. When we talk about moving the web forward and communication on the web forward what we don't want to do is create another walled garden community what we want to do is publish in ways that are accessible to everybody who wants to get on that bandwagon. That's what brings us to be involved in a W3 community group to define an annotation standard for data exchange and that's what makes our story really compelling to me vis-a-vis any number of startups doing some kind of web clipping sort of project. To me I don't want to be sharing little snippets I want to be sharing real references to real web content with URLs. That's the decentralization of the web that Tim Berners-Lee imagined when just set out to build it and I think that's the direction that we should be going. You were the first person that I approached to come really to a hypothesis and it was just kind of an idea at that point what about it was interesting enough for you to drop what you were doing and join? I really appreciated the non-profit model I thought it was well justified in terms of preventing the platform from having interests that diverged from the users interests and I saw in it the ability to define success in such a way that is not bound up in the name of the organization so much as the technological contributions that it could make. I mean this is kind of a big idea it's I think something that's possible for us to create as humans but it's a big change in terms of what we have right now and I think the challenge was really just getting people to suspend disbelief long enough that they could imagine such a thing being possible. I mean the reason I'm in this is to see this change happen and if it happens but it's not us that actually ends up being the ones that gets it over the goal line but somehow we were involved to me that success. I really enjoy the degree to which open source software invites participation from everybody on the internet it really embraces the transformative power that we see in the internet. One of the primary things I like about open source and indeed one of the selling points contrary to initial fears in the industry ten years ago when this stuff started to become popular was that when an open source project is truly healthy it doesn't depend on the continued existence of any organization to keep it going forward it becomes its own breathing entity and its own community. I feel like this is an opportunity that humanity has to be able to get better about interacting with each other and I think that that's part of the potential of the internet at its most basic level and I want to see that happen. I think it's possible and kind of all the building blocks are in our hands now and so that's what I want to see. I would be happy with that.