Ha ha got here. We are Spider-man Yeah, we didn't let me change it again. It's doing that thing Jay. Oh, I hit that We know does that mean we're not live yet quite yet People gonna miss out on my singing. Well, no, this will come up in the re-upload. You're okay Well, why would anyone ever watch it live if they're gonna miss out on the goodness that is here.  We just I need actually like two minutes to solve It's not right.  Yeah, we got whatever it is. We have did you guys see that thing?  Yeah, I'm trying to get them references It'll Bob. All right thumbnail correct now Bob's not Yeah, for some reason if I if I try and change the thumbnail through a different window it works, but not like the main window. It's really weird Hell yeah, these are virtual dumplings. Oh finally why is there a bit more and after for virtual dumplings like What is the process here? And One is less colorful and the other one is more colorful If you say rags name a colorful food I go chicken dumpling rags if you okay I'm gonna not gonna lie rags if you ever try to colorize dumpling because they are delicious I've never tried to colorize dumpling. I've tried to digest them and succeeded Oh my god dumplings twenty twenty one color eyes And When everything works, isn't it wonderful? Yeah first try no problem. Oh no entertaining when things fail Wow Well that explains your channel Yeah, that's why I keep the mistakes in that's you know Hello You know You're a bad person in a hateful bigot we're all here with spot as well on screen look at him Jay, you'll appreciate it. Oh, I want to see him. I want to see him. I'm not gonna stream open It's not new but it's amazing. All right, so that's good enough very good Guys, let me see him. Oh There he is. Oh, I love him look at him he moves There he is Oh, he jumps. Yes, or of his jump makes the presence on the other side boop The secret of his job with great jump comes great responsibility Did you see the 9-11 EFAP? What 9-11 EFAP cover that someone put in the subreddit where the pause was the twin towers? I think so every promo pause said never forget That seems appropriate Which of the towers was your favorite The left one Cuz I don't I just don't know I never I never really thought of it They're always they're always grouped together you never hear you never hear about them Individually it's probably because of that tragedy, but you only hear about them together It's never like this particular Tower of the twin towers, you know, they're always they're like Sam and Eric from Lord of the Flies I Like the one that last longer so that's spider-man movie, huh? The twin towers in one of the like the promotional materials for spider-man to Spider-man one, but then yeah, the movie actually came out in 2002. Yeah to cut it out Parents because it was he was supposed to web up like as some criminals between the twin towers and then it would be the big reveal Like yeah, he's in the full costume only he could have stopped those criminals at the twin towers Many lives just webs off the plane You know what the twin towers should have like they should have done the Wonder Woman thing and they winked at the camera at the end Of the movie in the post-credits scene That's not how those work so I'm just gonna redirect us once again. We're on the spider-man movie.  We got someone here. He's never been here before. How about that a new guest? Oh, I haven't done that in a while. Wonderful It's good to be here. He's alvin the chipmunk Well, what's up with that? What's up with that?  I never really found out why that was a thing Why alvin the chipmunk My sorry about the ejaculation there. What what is what's the reason for your and for the chipmunk Alvin the chipmunk, just propaganda for the best Christmas movie of all time I want to chipmunks three The mongering chipwrecked chipwrecked. Oh, it's chipwrecked Christmas. No, that's the first one Yeah, which one is the squeak wool? Is that too? That's the second one. What do you think it is, right?  It's one of them. New one's reloaded. There you go It makes me want to re Oh, sorry. Now, hey, why a long run? Why are you Judge Dredd with us?  That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah, that's pretty true Yeah, that's that's that's really the one that got me into it unironically The first one I uh liked ironically was the this uh, that's just a lone movie. No, I love that film That's what we go to watch three of our movies. Uh, that's a movie Dread 3d was the first movie I watched in 3d and it was pretty good. Hmm Everyone's a sequel.  I saw a Netflix tv show. He'll be interested to get rated into the mcu I love it when established properties are made into Netflix tv shows. I can't hear anything. My headphones stop working.  There's so many extra options How did it feel to experience cringe in three dimensions? Um, I don't I don't think that movie. I don't I don't know if that movie's like cringe Maybe in a medicine, but I I didn't cringe at the movie. I was just like sad and I laughed at it Ray shadow legends Yeah, I remember not being sad. I remember being happy because it was just I remember when I came to the theater and watched my It was funny. It was funny. It was such a sad attempt If I wanted to take it seriously, I think it would have been cringe Yeah, probably um Anyway, what was from like if you if you expect like you never cringe when you expect something to be cringe You're just like, yep, that's what I wanted. That's not true at all I watch cringe compilation sometimes and I expect to cringe and boy do I No, I never cringe at cringe compilations because I'm not weak You know, it gets me. It's the first suits the ones in the first suits are always the cringiest He walks. Well, then you're not invited to my birthday party. Oh, are you having a first suit birthday party? I was born in Because you're a bad person Is it a first day party? First day suit, yeah Um, so the easy way for me to make all this go smoothly is to simply be like new guy Alvin chick mung guy. His name is dr. Skipper Um, and welcome to efap for the first time you do, um What what what even would you describe the genre you're a part of on youtube? Is it commentary or is it something else? Um, oh, I guess hello and um, hello. Hi. I guess a mix of just variety things I guess I bounce between whatever I really want to do Well, no fair enough because I've seen a couple your ice big ones as well.  Uh, stop making the eyes move. They're kind of creepy. That's fine though You know, it's fine. We have all kinds of different things happening Here and we accept all kinds of people even ones with creepy eyes. Wonderful Uh What uh, wait, I guess because the way we'll we'll do this because uh nice tabby one by the way is To do it one at a time I guess we'll just do the classic left to right with this one and starting with our brand new guests If you want to tell us in you know within like a like a two minute block at most What what did you think of? Sponderman no way home the movie Uh from disney's marvels avengers no, um I guess overall it was a fun experience to watch but I still think there's like some issues of explaining things um, there's a lot of Stuff that clearly was kind of made just to make things move on and some things that were kind of skimmed um, uh Like um, the whole intro like the mysterious plot thingy of um, you know, oh, he's revealed I guess Like there wasn't even a court case really. It's kind of just at the table of like, oh, yeah You're free. You're free to go I just kind of moved on I was like, okay Uh, there was a couple of that in the movie though. I felt like some things are kind of rushed to progress it but Overall it was pretty fun Very well, I guess I guess this continues it'll go more into details of certain Like I'm I'm guessing this is going to be like a 10 hour longer. Oh, god individual For any one statement. So this this is yeah, this is just the intro of it I guess it's going to get complicated and more in depth. I guarantee you for every one statement you make someone here is frowning like that's not true I frown already. Yeah, you see jay's already frowning. I'm pretty sure fringy's already frowned How does how does spider-man no way home relate quality wise to the alvin and the chipmunks franchise?  What if this hula hoop? Desperately scrubbing through the film looking at the extras There's a hula hoop to let you see and you're like, this is this is what it needed Can it be any hoop? Can it be something that could be used as a hula hoop realistically? You know this hula wing there's hula in any hoop make it a hula hoop Yeah, it's just the principle the hula hoop is yeah something Is that going around? To hula hoop? Yeah, to hula hoop. Is that is that how that works linguistically or is it just I've never questioned it, but I'm ready to accept it on whim Like I've never heard anyone just because hulaing is like it feels pretty unnatural like to just conjugate that verb It is a have you seen people hula hoops? It's very unnatural or is that a different thing? Well conjugate would be like ah, I am I am ease us ease, you know like insular insularum That sort of thing. Yeah, we don't really do that in English. That's true. We don't not as much ever I'm sure there are some words maybe somewhere It's gonna be a long night Greenman, what did you think? What's your blib? I really liked it um And I'm with one exception uh very very very happy with the character writing Um, I feel like the plot Is uh, not gonna hold up well under closer inspection Because even just sitting around thinking about it and having conversations about it. It's like oh, I wonder Um, but in terms of character payoffs I'm quite happy if this were the end for mcu spidey I wouldn't be unhappy at all because it feels like What we have now is basically a completed like origin trilogy about how A kid who got spider powers Basically had the lessons of like responsibility instilled in him over the course of several films um And then like finally like hammered home and reinforced here I I really really enjoyed this movie. I like a lot Sweet Um indigo gaming. What do you reckon? Uh interesting. Yeah, so I alluded to this a little bit over at the mtu earlier I felt like the film like to use a racing analogy I felt like the film basically tripped and broke its neck in like the first act But somehow like almost When won first place by the end of the end of the movie. It's not perfect for sure It's got some like the premise. I think is the biggest problem like the setup of the of the entire Story is the biggest problem, but I think there were some good character moments and I was Expecting it to be like a cringe fest. There definitely was like a lot of meme like 20 2016 meme references and stuff from the various characters and the morality was pretty weird in terms of Weighing the multiverse the fate of the multiverse versus a couple villains. It's a very weird decision to making there but Weirdly enough. I think that Andrew Garfield kind of stole the movie and that's probably a hot take But I thought Andrew Garfield did a fantastic job in the movie and there was some pretty good payoffs Not not the payoffs that I expected to work some of the payoffs. I thought were kind of Fumbled like with Aunt May and whatnot, but Uh, yeah, Andrew Garfield did great for most of it kind of became a meme toward the end, but um, otherwise Yeah, very very very very flawed premise some really really rough character issues at the beginning, but It was enjoyable. I had a lot of fun despite some pretty staggering plot issues, but I I think Again closer inspection may prove me otherwise, but I think that uh main peter parker marvel mc peter parker kind of redeems himself toward the end But again, we'll probably have a lot of discussion about that. But yeah, very flawed beginning pretty strong finish I guess so Alrighty Jay of house axi. What is it that you think? I like how sexy Oh, thank you so I think that um In terms of plot issues most of them come into in the form of setting up the actual story that they want Like they really they really like fuck with magic and like break the world to engineer this story happening But once it's in motion, most of the things that happen within the actual story itself I think are pretty good In terms of plot beats and character at least if there are major issues within the course of the story I haven't found them yet um And in terms of character, I think everyone's very solid except for dr. Strange Uh these I think the start film also spends exactly uh the time it spends time on what it needs to spend time on uh, really There there are some other places that could have been more fleshed out But I don't think they're really important to telling the story that it is telling Very well, um Jay long bone next up. What do you think?    That's what are you doing stop? Like it doesn't work Steven's right.   Well, we'll fix it You know as long as you exhausted every option to get into college We should you know, I understand why you came to me and then and then peter says Oh I didn't Like there was this whole thing where he could go to the mit people and plead his case and blah blah blah And he somehow just didn't know like college is the most important thing to this kid intelligent kid Love science and all that we established that And he does not does not take the opportunity to Track down these mit people and plead it plead this case. That's the only he didn't he just went straight from Getting rejected to do like oh now I need a wizard to help me.  I didn't like it. I didn't like this movie No, it seems there'll be plenty to talk about. I guess I'm dax. Jesus Christ I adore this movie. I thought it was fantastic. I enjoyed the fuck out of it Uh, there's plenty of problems and obviously he has been highlighted so far by basically everybody doctor strange is my biggest criticism for the whole movie um, but I think the we've got once again following in line with the other two in the trilogy we've got the complications of of a child superhero trying to Solve his problems and eventually causing things to get even worse and learning a lot from those experiences, but The through line carrying him from homecoming well arguably from civil war all the way up to um No way home as far as I'm concerned. It's complete and he is He's probably the strongest built character now in the MCU and I would happily I already know that plenty of people have huge issue with that. That's totally fine. I'll argue it Hey, if everyone starts shout out, it'll be totally unfair. Gosh So, um as for the individual pieces in the plot I'm more than ready to start talking about whether or not these are actually Stupid things or not because I'll concede on plenty of them But I'll also defend the shit out of plenty of decisions a lot of them make Um I have done several times over the past few days, but none lie if this is the first time we're going to have all this fun um The second half was just payoff city with with variables in play that are actually pretty hard to nail and I feel like I'm just going to say John Watts for lack of knowing everybody involved nailed it um With all of these different characters all these different set pieces all these are from uh people in places and dynamics all Involved you manage to clash them together and create what I think is a really respectful Uh iteration of not only MCU Spidey, but basically Everything that's been involved instead of being more specific right now Um, and I was very satisfied that ending. That's my Easily my favorite ending for a spider-man movie ever uh, peter again. We were already in spoilers I think everyone should probably figure that out by now but um He's the spider-man that gave up absolutely everything in order to for the will to be a better place And for the people he loves to be safe. He is uh quintessential at this point as far as I'm concerned Um, yeah big fan of this movie Uh nice and flawed can't wait to talk about all those things Metal go right ahead. That's me. Hello. Uh, yeah, I really like this movie as well. Um As I already said the second half payoff city, that's what I thought about it as well Things are a really good job with that, uh, but yeah plenty of questions and things to talk about especially I think in in in the universe in the MCU Like everything that's happened so far considering that I don't know how everything that's going to work out like this How it did but I guess that's what we're gonna talk about, huh? So that I cut out I um, I'm sorry. You're just going I got confused Okay, I thought I cut out. Okay, uh, but yeah, I think the character work is pretty darn excellent Uh, except the the exceptions that have already been been said, uh And just I think that's that just to keep it short. We'll have plenty to talk about Alrighty, uh, well mr. Rags next up. It's up to me This is my favorite spider-man movie that I've seen I was thoroughly impressed I enjoyed the movie immensely It does so many things right and I I feel like there's a huge weight Of concern that's been dropped off of my my little shoulders Because we've seen spider-man trilogies get fumbled in the end or not even make it to the end of a trilogy before so Seeing this End as good as it did was legitimately satisfying and I really really love this movie It does it does so many things excellently when it comes to peter and the respect that it shows to the other You know spider-man out there Um I really love the the ending. I adore this, uh, peter as a character I would probably agree with um moller to say he's the strongest written character Through and through when you take everything and put it all together Um Super super pleased with this movie enjoyed it immensely It's definitely got a lot of problems with plot. No doubt dr. Strange being the the sore one that sticks out pretty Obviously and clearly to everyone here for really good reasons um The the terrible price that they paid for a lot of the payoffs at least those payoffs are really really excellent um and Really really like it good stuff And finally meme repository. What did you think? Well, I had an absolute blast Watching this film. Um, it was it was interesting because um when I was I was in the film I was when I was watching in the theater. I was just having just the time of my life and I almost just had to keep track of I I was I was I would only turn on the brain every couple of Every every few minutes just to see how the plot was holding up and I think There are definitely plenty of plot and world building issues. Um, I've kind of gone back and forth on a few of them just as I've thought about it more but just as far as like the characters and my Just enjoyment and just the um Everything that um all the payoffs in this film. I just um, I was just I was smiling ear to ear. Um, just throughout it was Uh, it was a fucking great time of a film and um, I've I've kept a good track of um, I've tried to keep a good eye on Like everything that doesn't work as well because I think um, I think there's a lot of stuff that doesn't add up as far as the plot and the world building goes like especially with the multiverse and the all the doctor strange stuff but man, it was Just it was not only cool to see all of these characters return But it was good to see them return in proper form because I'm so used to just bringing back characters from these older Movies and then they're not actually the same characters. They're actually something completely different. But this one Not only brought them back. They had a I would say reverence for For what was done before and they really just hit you with the payoffs and It's funny Mollie mentioned the ending because I think the very first note I have in my good section is The somber ending was very well done. And then I um, I think I later on put this Peter as easily the one that has suffered the the greatest loss um in the out of all the live action spider-man, and I think this has just been such a fantastically done film I um, I I think One of my one of my notes is that I just I I would have easily watched like a three to four hour version of this with Just what they've already done but even more even more detail even more Expansion on the character work that they've done, but I've just I am That with that said I'm still incredibly pleased um with what we got and I um Yeah, I'm looking forward to going through it. Um, I there's a lot. I've got a kind of split up my notes into Kind of uh, what are what are my legitimate criticisms? So the measurable more objective stuff and then there's like more subjective stuff that I Would have liked a bit more of and then there's like I kind of split up my praise into the same So there's the stuff that I really like Almost no subjective level and then there's the stuff that I think is just really well done on a script level and uh There's a lot of there's a lot of like really neat like oh my god There's that character and that character. Oh, there's that cameo there and then there's other stuff like oh But I would have liked to have seen that and that but it's not necessarily objective and then there's it was I think going out. I was just like Man, this is going to be a web to untangle Because there's like separating my feelings from what's actually happening because feelings wise. This just hit me really really hard So I'm excited to to go through this Oh, and yeah worth clarifying. Nobody's given any numbers yet chat calm down. You're fine. Yeah Yeah, please do you're gonna hear much more hot takes than these For right. I do like how very chat is right now though. It's plenty. There's a lot of anger already It's like oh beautiful Like that. We're not all in agreement either. I like we have a Yeah, fight fight fight. It's all good. Yeah, we'll fight. You'll fight everyone will fight.  We'll find out Is there anything else anyone wants to say before because I'm essentially just gonna act as like an anchor of Describing the scene an event and then anyone who wants to say anything about it can then go from there You know and we'll just go one way You know what I think that'll be uh, that'll be a good format. I say Yes, I also think so um In which case like said if there's if there's nothing else for anybody I'm willing to start that process up Yo for it. Let's do it. Oh exciting um They kind of do a little bit of an infinity wall whereas the credits are rolling in we're getting like Like the the the setup like information. Yeah, and it's just like they're almost trying to do it in a spooky way well, it was way spookier in infinity wall, but Yeah, we got us the the aftermath of far from home is essentially just takes on straight away from far from home the um Identity was revealed by mysterio and he was framed for mysterio's murder, which Did they did they actually confirm explicitly the mysterio died ever in either of these movies? um No, I think wait, did they show because they call it midra? Well, I mean, but yeah, but I guess we have to confirm mysterio died I mean, we can still they confirm that people think mysterio died right Well, I guess that's enough because I was just curious if they've locked the door on bringing him back And the interrogation scene wasn't like I wasn't the one who killed mysterio's the drones. Didn't he say there? I was a shot Um, I think you you're right, uh, but to be fair, I'm asking this to find out if they'll might bring mysterio back And I just realized like well, they can bring it back anyway, so Yeah, I kind of feel I guess and that is actually like proper dead Not faked it. Yeah. Yeah. I know they never showed it like that Well, remember when he died when he died in the other movie They just said all illusions are down So he had to have either been acting but then what did he run away like no?  I'm like, I don't feel like that's happening I don't know because like the I mean he's spider-man. He's really strong I don't know that I want to stand right in front of him. He's running So I think any any Well, two people try to attack him physically I don't I don't feel that like fear of him is what's moving them out of the way Certainly, you know, like maybe some of them, but uh, I feel like let's let's nip this in the bud right now Okay, if I go to new york city and a man in an animal costume is in front of me You I I'm gonna assume he's dangerous and I'm gonna get out of his way That's a great joke rags, but It was jay about to be like with being serious rags. Okay. Yeah, I don't there's no, okay That's a great joke rags, but uh, it's not an appropriate time as long as listen as long as it's acknowledged. That's fine Okay, yeah, it's like all right. You have to hurry. No, I'm just just revealing. Oh, okay. Cool. I don't know. We robon A little bit. Damn. Well, wait, are we in? The automatic right now Think oh if anyone wants to throw us in there pray for the best I can click it and press sing do it Hopefully we'll do less robotic Hopefully singapore will help us out to singapore So you're saying it's like a chunk of slay that tries to grab one of them Yeah, just look I think if you look at it It's good enough that pita seems to be trying to push A way to be formed. I guess you're saying they should have been more aggressively trying to grab him Um, most so just everyone moves out of his way Like you from one shot he surrounded and then the next shot There's like a clear passage from to move through it's like everyone just kind of politely gets out of his way when I feel uh, the the moods of all the people there are going to be very different Um, they'll probably be some people I just like that's a hell of a coordinated effort even if the people there aren't uh All like they're instantly all just move out of his way I feel that's not happening that quickly even if everyone there isn't like, uh Conflicted in in all different emotions flying wild I don't think they would have been able to stop him anyway No, I don't think they would have I think I think this is a very small thing of like It's just sort of they don't want to have to deal with the crowd being in his way So it it moves rather than uh The the full like ugliness of the scene potentially taking place as in like the The awkwardness of him actually getting out is sort of glossed over I think But it it wouldn't be any more than awkwardness. I don't know that if you look at the crowd I don't know if you it's like they seem pretty just the average normal people They've just been announced that this is a thing I don't know what you do with that information when you've just had it and you see spider there How do you did they ever explain how they so quickly knew that um, mj was his girlfriend and they just do She got dropped off with him like a minute before that happened Oh, right before this happened. Yeah, I remember and far from home. They she swings around with him and then they Yeah, she he drops her off there. Okay. Okay um Yeah, they do some swinging and they end up on a little uh I don't even know what it is. Is it a bridge? Yeah I first thing I thought it was like under construction or broken or something. I wasn't quite sure because it only shows it quickly That's great. It's a lot of bridge To uh to answer the phone to Ned they exchange dudes until uh Peter gets her out of there by they come up with like we can avoid everybody by going through the sewer And then come back out and get him back to the subway Is that what a sewer looks like to you with trains in it? Yes, um, yeah Subways are dirty places We have very advanced sewage systems with trains Where the trains also pass through they ride the poop to get to where they need to go They just slide It's more interesting than that. It's it's just trains riding on tidal waves of poop. Yay Let's go all the boards at the next station poop poop There's not a lot of space You gotta do what you gotta do. There's human ingenuity. Uh Yes So yeah, they head back and um, I think we're given like the start of the next scene is like a it's like a Wanna so it's a good old fun. Wanna and it's um Happy and and may uh fully breaking up, which is makes sense just right after far from home where that was a thing. Anyway, um And uh, I don't know. I just thought it was funny that it seems normal behavior We're just be like, okay. Good to go. Okay. Good to go. This is a doll. He's like, I better check that out She's like, no, he just like comes into the house like doing it. Um He's it's happy. I you know, like he's an interesting character in terms of we've had little of him in many movies So Yeah, he's pretty much a character. Um I feel like we get to know him more in the spider-man movies than in iron man. Um, I think yeah Yeah, yeah, especially by iron man three like happy kind of gets dropped He just gets hurt so that he's like a person who was a victim of like extremists and then that's it for him really We don't see much of him again, but in them see you spidey stuff. He has a more prominent role I like him more because of these films Yeah, yeah, I barely remember him in iron man to be honest like He's yeah, I have any significant memories of him in those films. He's the driver and Yeah, um They think if someone said what do you mean happy wasn't in iron man, I'd have been like, yeah, yeah, sure. I buy that Um, I feel like you got a little bit hooked in this movie. He kind of became Uh comic relief where I mean, I'm assuming Iron man saw a lot in him from to like be his right hand man for all this kind of stuff So it seems like he's a little A little moping incompetent in this movie. Was anyone else getting that vibe?  I just kind of feel it's a little bit unprofessional I guess I mean I guess the only thing I was really incompetent was him not luring up like from also Yeah, not luring up. He didn't know he didn't know that he would need a lawyer even he thought oh that is true Yeah, he didn't he didn't know but it's also like the the stealth helicopter thing where it's like There's news. There's people shouting all around and there's helicopters outside and and people are like But we broke up and they didn't notice anything was going on. I thought that was a little Obviously it was done for like kind of community He was already yeah, he was yeah He was in the building before the helicopters arrived. Yeah, they were having that discussion and then the stuff arrives Yeah, I just like if you had three helicopters outside, you would hear it Absolutely, like if you're like what's going on? There's three there's helicopter. It's like really really loud When I I mean when I hear a helicopter outside I don't always go to look like There are helicopters outside me sometimes.  It's like oh a helicopter Yeah, I might be bothered to go outside and look what's up with it But again, I might go indigo is a time traveler from medieval ages when they didn't have helicopters Whenever he hears one it's still an incredible They did What are these spindly uh spinning birds up there? I don't know what this is They must be for me. These are the demons coming for me Go get me I'm just saying like I think I think there's actually one shot where peter opens up the blinds and it shows like a helicopter within Uh eye level like meaning they're really close to the ground. So like and I think there's multiple helicopters That'd be pretty loud. I'm just saying that that would be a little bit of a stretch I don't know that it Helicopter's going past buildings pretty close by is probably something that happens every once in a while there I'll yeah, I'll tell you like um A helicopter once landed next to my house when I lived in Germany and uh, it wasn't like It wasn't like crazy.   It was just like oh that helicopter sounds kind of nearby But like it's also worth like noting that if you're focused on one thing you'd be surprised by what you can miss Yeah, and they were focused on the conversation that they were having Like yeah, I think they were having like they were having a conversation. It was an important conversation Yeah, he clearly cares a lot about his worship with me. Yeah Yes I I guess I yeah, like I can I can believe that he didn't hear them Okay, well, I can believe he did he may have heard them but didn't think much on them but didn't yeah, yeah It was a bit of a uh, you like for example, uh, army of the army of the dead Whatever the terrible movie was um the whole like outside outside of line of sight the helicopter is silent When you see the helicopter loud I think it kind of did that. Maybe it was maybe I'd have to watch it again to get 100% Yeah, you hear the rising noise, uh, I think you do hear a little bit But then like he pulls up in a blind all of a sudden boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop, you know So I was saying the copium is strong. I'm sorry like Wait on which side I don't even know I was like everyone's just making arguments man I don't know why Yeah, and uh, hey, right, we're just having a chat. Don't be mean. Otherwise, I'll turn you It doesn't ruin the story for me at all, it was a little bit of a theatrical for me to like okay, they're too caught up in stuff to not hear the three helicopters that I'd level outside, but probably bigger for me, and I don't know when you want to approach this, but Edith and Karen, they're shown in one shot, they confiscate the glasses when he's arrested, this is jumping forward a little bit, but we don't, like that never comes into play again, and that'd be a pretty big advantage for Peter to have those. I could see them not coming into play if it's still part of an investigation that's happening, you see is all about that. Yeah, they talk about her stark tack, it's under investigation and they take the glasses as well. Like the charges against Peter were dropped for sure, but that, but they, I think it was even said explicitly that they're still like an ongoing thing with the, with the stark stuff, and even if there wasn't, it can be like bureaucracy and things like that to just make it difficult to get these things, you know, and would they necessarily give them to him, just because Tony did doesn't mean that the government would give him back to him. I feel like he's getting those back to be honest. Yeah, I don't want him to have them back. I don't want him to have them back, no. Yeah, I mean, I didn't, I think it would have complicated the plot like tenfold, but at the same time, I think they should have probably destroyed and or completely disabled them, because the fact that that there's there's an army of drones, intact drones out there and Edith and like laser cannons and satellites and stuff, that would have become in a lot of handy. Well, it's more complicated than that, right? If if you've got like stark and they made the industries is going to like fight to make sure that stuff doesn't get destroyed and they're a big company. So I added at this point, they're like separated from the plot, like they're gone. They're not something that they didn't want us to think about that because that opens up a whole other box of stuff. I just well, they've addressed it. I'd rather put it that way. They addressed it enough, I guess. It just it did it did seem like, well, OK, I forgot about Edith and all those things. I could have been pretty handy when searching for all these super villains. But OK, that's the thing. And as a writer, you should be able to write it out. And it's been confiscated as part of the investigation. Stock tech, like, I don't know that those drones are in the clear because of the amount of damage they've done, even if Mysterio was controlling them. That's still a matter of there's going to be so much time. There's a lot of that, like I feel like this is an example of the stuff that happens more often in these MCU films, then a lot of the other ones where it's like acknowledging that there is a world that exists in this universe that has an interest in these types of things. Yeah, we don't usually get zero. We're calling about damage controllers back. Yeah, they're back. He does a pretty good job at doing that. At least trying to rest the MCU. Yeah, it definitely tries more. And I don't blame other films like we're our own thing because they're introducing to hold new franchises into an already like super huge and loaded and complicated world already. So I don't blame them from getting rid of it. You know, just kind of boxing and shipping off. But at the same time, I was like, you know, I think that maybe having like a couple of scenes that to deactivate the systems to completely take it off the table, I would have felt a little bit more. I would have felt a little bit more like, OK, that was an option. And all of them, as far as I know, they took away his glasses and that was it. So yeah, well, he's not going to get him back. He can't get control of them back. I mean, the government and the feds, probably at the highest level now have control or confiscation of these kinds of things. And they just he's also a superhero. He's also a superhero. And you broke out of the most secure facility in the world, I guess. And he's not omnipotent. And if he's especially after the. I guess what are you what are you saying should have happened? I would have. They obviously show a quick cut of them confiscating the Edith glasses. That's fine. But they, as far as we know, that system is still active. Those drones still exist. Yeah, maybe. And and that's all a potential asset when he's trying to fix the universe, the multiverse, right? And the glass over his access. I would have appreciated that, like, OK, after all this destruction, the drones and stuff, whether or not it was Peter's fault, this all needs to be completely deactivated, shut down, dismantled. I would have kind of like to see that that way it's completely off the table. Right now, it just seems like he just seems to get his glasses back to have access to it again. That's that's what I got. Well, I never even thought that he was going to go try and get the glasses back. I thought that they were totally out of play. I mean, I always thought it was put into a box when he's arrested. They confiscate the glasses and put it in a box. Will it be that moodle? Don't we get late that we get later on when when he's on the bridge trying to talk to the MIT lady? We get like a little blurb from inside his suit, where it says the. Oh, yeah, that's right. The suit is still in an open amount. Yeah, because the suit is a stark network is offline. Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, that's under investigation. Yeah, like I said, this is all very deliberate at the beginning. They need to knock that out because he needs to not have it as an ability. And they put it out. Yeah, I mean, it's knocked out as a very logical progression of the events in the story. Like, yeah, I feel like if they wanted it to not be knocked out, they would have to put in more legwork to justify why he still has it. Yeah, I think so, too. I actually given what happened with them in no way in far from on. Yeah, I mean, if they if they if there's a scene where it says stark network offline at the beginning and I missed that, then it's my bad. If there's a scene at the end, does that mean that it was always disabled? I'm not so I'm not sure it's when he's on the bridge. It's when he's on the bridge after the start, the strange scene.  Yeah, at that point, at that point, it's disabled. That's when we know it's disabled. Yeah, that's confirmation that it is. Oh, OK, it's not early then. OK, I'm fine with that, because that's before he gets it all confiscated, right? I think so. No, this is when he's much lighter. Yeah, OK, but that's well before the whole multiverse capture everything. So that's fine. Yeah. OK, if that's what they said, I missed that that scene was like so fast paced that I must have missed that. But yeah, if that's the case, then that's fine. I'll retract my my complaint there. Um. So, yeah, the I think one of the next get the. Yeah, it's like the Daily Bugle Report, where someone's thrown some green on all Spidey and it's not my girl. I know, I know, of course, similar. I wouldn't allow my good to be used in such a malicious way. I'm sorry. Did I miss a green goosey? What are you talking about?  OK, yes, but I don't mind. I think you're like, did I miss a green goosey? Like, yes, the green goosey. There is one to me. I thought that was pain.  It probably wasn't hate. But I mean, yeah, it was it was Nickelodeon slime. A certain sense of pain is good because everything's good in a certain and, you know, from a certain point of view, everything is good from a certain point of view. The goo. It sounds like the villainous line he would deliver in his movie. It took me like a second to realize that what I had on my hands and I blew it. It's something I'm an ooze would say. Oh, yeah. A certain point of view, the Power Rangers are evil. The power of the goo in the palm of my hand. How do you all feel about them turning J Jonah Jamison into Alex Jones? I was not really. Oh, no, he was so one dimensional. I mean, I don't prefer him to the Remy version, but I don't know that it's a problem.  If you want to talk about like one-dimensional. He's they got two things. He's not like really a character in this. He's more so just a he's just a standard entity that represents the tale of Spider-Man. He's a plot device. Well, he doesn't need an reasonable education when it comes to his facial installments. Like, well, yeah, I want to make sure we get this out really early. He's not a bad guy at all. He's completely normal. No, he's not a bad guy. He's not a bad guy, he's not a bad guy. No, he's not a bad guy. He's not a villain. He clearly is acting off of the information that seems to be, well, I mean, he's like, dude, look at what's happening.  Like, geez, this guy's a mess. Dude, they introduced the whole like selling supplements thing as well.  It's like, no, they just have him do it. It's like, look at me. I'm Alex Jones. And then they don't do anything with the Jones. They don't. Well, they introduced him as the controversial daily bugle. And it's obviously Alex Jones, even down to the supplement Hawking, right? But the weird messed up thing is that he's pretty much completely right from the public's perspective. Alex Jones is right. Because per all the publicly available information, Spider-Man was involved with the Jones. He ordered this, et cetera, et cetera. And at the very end, he's like, he's like, there's something finished real quick. At the very end, he says, what are you going to do? Destroy another monument like you've done before? And what do they do at the end? So he's kind of right. You know, you can't really fault him for that. That one wasn't finished yet. It doesn't count. And Mysterio was well reported as being a hero that saved the world. And so he's obviously invested in him and not in Spider-Man. And yeah, I find it all, he has like three scenes. And I liked him. I liked the portrayal. But he's just not a secondary character.  He's barely in it. Yeah. Which I didn't really enjoy watching him. It was like, yeah, well, he was like, you have J.K. Simmons reprising this character and you don't make him at least a little bit as enjoyable as he was before. I don't feel it's really practical to expand his role in this film, like beyond just the presence of the media. Well, I quite like his speech that Spider-Man watched. Yeah. Yeah, I like it too. Yeah, I like it. And that's like the most of his game time. Yeah, I mean, I'm not in the center. And I assume he's probably gonna be getting a bigger role in one of the next three movies, which we're almost certainly getting. Don't know. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I could definitely see what they're doing next, I think. Yeah, I'm really excited about.  Exactly. There's plenty they could do there. He's gonna be working for Alex Jones. Well, so yeah, the way you can write that is that he is the one that will pay the most for Spider-Man Pictures, which makes a lot of sense, right? Yeah. Or it could be that Peter Parker ends up working for him and we do end up learning there's a lot more to this guy than just what we've seen in the three scenes that we got. Yeah, well, like you said, because they were three scenes. Exactly. That's the yeah. This is a very, very. It does show it does show a J. Jonah Jameson making like money off of it, though, right?  I thought it was kind of like they show. He is profiting off of Spider-Man. Wait, why do they show a studio at the end?  Yeah, yeah, you see him. Yeah, you see him like he is making profit off of Spider-Man. Well, I mean, if people want him as a new source, new source, wow, new source. I would donate to a J. Jameson only. I don't know about you guys. Yeah, just live and uncensored. And yeah, you've got your potential there for him to end up hiring Peter Parker in the next movie. It could be we've got plenty of fun potential there.  Oh, and something I found interesting is they do go into a tiny bit of detail as to why he would specifically target Spider-Man in this shared superhero universe. And it seems to be at least a little bit focused on the fact that he is like the one hero with the secret identity because everyone else is pretty public. And meanwhile, he's going like if he really wanted us to trust him, why would he not just unmask himself and show us who he truly is?  Like, I feel like that's the biggest detail that he's got going. He liked Mysterio. Clearly. Like he was, yeah, I was, I was fine with him. Like he's taking a side in like what I assume as a part of an issue for a lot of people is the Mysterio thing.  So I definitely see the whole Mysterio angle. Definitely. Yeah, except for hair. And we got another one. It is. Rags Hitler counter. People will start collecting it from me in video. Peter Parker in the next Spider-Man movie becomes like Hitler. Well, Peter Parker to Joe Jenae Jameson in the next movie is going to be Paul Joseph Watson to Alex Jones. It's going to be the same relationship. You say Joe Jenae Jameson just then. Did I? Is that what I said? I think so. Don't don't you just said you just said nude sauce. I'm not taking this. I refuse to be criticized. No, we're both taking this. It's funny that we both said those things. Equal Marvel Studios Hitler. Well, it's a Marvel villain. Yeah, he's I mean, canonically, yeah, in the universe, he is.  That's true. You know, if you think if they adapted him for a Marvel movie, he would have quip like Judaism, more like Judaism. Ta-ha. Is it Marvel? Because Red School was part of the Nazis, right? He worked for Hitler. He was he was mega. He was a mega. Hydra was like a faction underneath. Well, they had their own devices, I guess, like in term. They broke away from Germany in that film, right? I think. They were they they were sort of their own thing.  So, yeah, the the DODC, Department of Damage Control raids his apartment. And they they show us a picture of the the suits container, but it's empty. The glasses and I think a tie fighter because it got one in Lego, I can't remember. But yeah, just letting us know the glasses are out, but the suit is in. And then he's in jail. And this is the thing. This movie, I upon rewatching it, I understand like a lot of people think that there's lots to say on pacing. But my God, the amount of things they had to do in two hours, I really feel like they did a pretty good job of balancing this, considering every single event we've got to deal with. You could have easily edit another hour of content, I think. Yeah, we watched it. Time for everything. I feel like it was paced well. They had to do it a lot. Yeah, I mean, maybe there is a non theatrical cut out there, but this was easily the most ambitious extended film since event or end games. I would be it was tough to put all this in here. So incredibly on board with an extended dude, look at that. Pacing is great. Pacing is fine. I don't think they could pace it was. I think an extended cut was actually needed. Because I think the biggest thing I didn't like about the the whole jail sequence was, I think, like, OK, Matt Murdoch gets introduced and he's like, oh, yeah, the charges are like nothing's going to happen. But then he talks about the like public hearing and we just don't get to see it. Like, I really I really wanted to see the court in public. I think you say we're free. Yeah, that's that's not actually a court hearing. Yeah, that's Twitter, basically. Oh, yeah, he's talking about he's talking about like public. Right, man, you're going to get to Twitter. I would like to see it is actually like. Oh, no. He's probably also referencing J. Jonah Jameson, honestly, as well as the court. Yeah, the court is going to be referencing the court. It's actually the furthest thing from the court that you can get. Probably what about a burrito? I still think that a burrito could be used as evidence within a crime or an investigation. So I have burritos in your honor exhibit a the burrito. Oh, now it's order order. It's vitamin four about being tried in the court of burrito opinion. Yeah, I was I was a little bit annoyed when I saw the trailer that he would be in trouble for the stuff in in England, when there's just so much evidence to the contrary of what Mysterio is claiming. But then this film was like, well, yeah, the charges aren't going to stick. And I was like, good, the charges shouldn't stick. Yeah, yeah. However, that's all you need to spend on it. Yeah, I agree. But the main issue here isn't that isn't some legal implication. It's public implication. It's what, yeah, there's no way that these murder charges are going to stick. We didn't need to see a trial or anything. They definitely do spend a fair they do spend a fair amount of time showing a lot of people don't like Spider-Man. Well, that's not going to change, even if which is inevitable, right? Even if he's exonerated, there's going to be people who are still. Yeah, I'm saying to give the important part, they give the most. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're a wonderful little media podcast.  So yeah. Yeah, I think that the movie the movie nodded toward like the modern sense of justice pretty well in that regard. Like, even if he was completely exonerated, it doesn't change. Hang on, are we going to do a secret? Oh, hang on, are we going to do like a conservative read of fucking?  Because so far, we've got a lot of material. This doesn't need to be the that what happens. I know that. I know, I know, but it's just like just taking part as an issue. And we've got like Alex Jones and now that we can do a lot of stuff. I suppose I just want to. I just want to see like the opposite of the remark, the remarkable Republican video. Just no, no, actually, you know what? I want to see the remarkable Republican video. No way home is a conservative masterpiece. Like, does the public opinion really matter though? Like, does it really reflect?  You see what happened when the public opinion doesn't get you kept out of school. His friends got barred from MIT. And this. Yeah, but he's allowed back in just allowed back in a high school. Why wouldn't he? Yeah, he's not a criminal. He'll be illegal to keep him out of school. Yeah, the school, the school wants their their hero. Well, he's like the rock star. Yeah, yeah, two of the school board like him, one of them. Well, one of them likes him, one of them doesn't. The other ones need detail. The two that like him were there in Far From Home. The two, the one that doesn't wasn't. Yep. Oh, yeah. Hannah Boris was in the first film. No, he was he wasn't there. He wasn't on the trip. He wasn't on the school trip. Yeah, he wasn't on the trip. I was on the school. He was like, I think the logic there is that they saw what Spider-Man did. They saw what Mysterio did and they know he's a hero. Oh, that's a good detail. Yeah, but from what I remember, there was no bullying. There was nothing. It's like he's just in school and people are kind of just taking photos of him and like, OK, that's it. That's all. What are people going to do to like someone that they think killed an Avenger?  I'd say, is it is a cap Marvel? Please tell me it's cap Marvel. Lots of people are. Remember when you try to enter the school, you've got like he's like a pariah. You've got some people with science in like hero. Yeah, good guy.  Like, I feel like that's a lot, isn't it? And then, of course, the big one. Yeah, yeah, not at his. Not at his school, though. Like, no, I'm not talking about, like, physical.  He goes to the roof to escape everyone. And that's basically all we get of him in school, isn't it? Is that he just leaves to avoid people. Yeah, to avoid being photographed. And that's right. They don't need to show anything like. I don't know. I think it was like harassment. And that's pretty harassment. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Lord knows what they're probably saying. And then, of course, the big one being that, yeah, all of his friends don't get into any universities because I know him. It's fair to say as well. Brick was thrown through his window.  I did very much. I was quite happy when I saw him. But of course, now I'm just like, Oh, what are you going to do? Yeah, I didn't even kick him. Is this foreplay to his funeral? What is this? Oh, no, because that's the thing is it's like he was. I liked him in this. He was cool and he was in character. And I'm glad that he's here. But I get worried about what's next. That's all. I love Matt Bardock and I love that seeing him here. But I am a little worried, too. I think this was basically just say like nodding. Yes, Matt Murdock. He's still Matt Murdock and he's in the MCU. I think the problem is like I'm not sure if you've seen, but like there were interviews where like the people who are making Hawkeye that has Kingpin in it, they don't even know if the show is canon. Like I don't know. Yeah, I was going to say as much as I like seeing him, it is a huge problem plot and will that he's here. The history of Daredevil as a show cannot coexist with the MCU's history that easily.  I could believe it. I could believe it. Yeah. It's what I would say is like because of how like MCU stuff now is like starting to fall apart, it could fit in and not be acknowledged. And I don't think that people behind it would like notice. You know, I don't know that most people would have. The Daredevil. Could it just be the same act of playing the same character though? Like we have that. I assume they're not going to want to do that though. They're going to want the season to be canon because people love them. I think they're going to want to. Well, they could just leave it ambiguous, I guess. I think they're going to do that. I think they're going to leave it ambiguous. I think it works easier. I think it works up until end game. The blip is the real big problem, obviously for anything connected to the MCU. Because if you watch the show, they loosely reference the Avengers here and there. They talk about cleaning up New York City after the attack. They talk about all this other stuff. So it is Batman. It is. No. No, she does shows up in the MCU. Like so the more meta issue is that those shows were by Marvel's television division, which is not Marvel Studios. So they're not technical. They weren't made by Marvel Studios. And that's the reason why like there is no way Kingpin hasn't been on Doctor Strange and Iron Man's Raiders. Like he's he's done a lot that has changed a lot. I think the hand would be on everyone's Raiders. The Punisher would have been someone who like, how does that not come up? And Jessica Jones, obviously, because she's super powered. Yeah, and Luke Cage. These are people that are of interest. Danny Rand, they're all like dead. Everlight could believe would be more under the radar, but even then there'd probably be some acknowledgement. This isn't like to reference. I'm not like saying this is catastrophic. It's just like they're not going to put any effort into doing that today. They're just going to be like, here he is. I would actually argue that it's kind of goes under the radar of the Avengers because their Avengers are finding like extraterrestrial threats and stuff like that. And like the thing is Jessica Jones is really strong. These are the same. They necessarily get involved, but they should have been an awareness of them. And then a desire to possibly call them in with certain events happening. But I would argue that it kind of falls in the same category as the original problem or the original conflict in the homecoming where like the guys that Spider-Man was going after, the Vulture and his crew, they were like too low level for start to even worry about. He was off like in Dubai or something like that. So I felt that like normal humans without any superpowers who just are kind of doing crime, crimey things in New York would be kind of under. Jessica Jones has superpowers, so that's the thing. Like Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist all have superpowers. Yeah, they do.  I'm glad you mentioned that because I think, I didn't watch season three of that show, but I watched season two and they explicitly referenced the raft in relation to a character who's got superpowers, dude, they want to sit in there. And so at that point, it's like, well, wait a minute. If they want to see a character in this show to the raft, like are we not? Jessica Jones is very strong.  Like she's very strong. Yeah, there's definitely some inconsistencies and they weren't developed as perfectly coherent, but I did remember that they acknowledged that they were in the Avengers universe. Yeah, I just want to acknowledge that as much as it's awesome, I love seeing him. I love the little scene with him. I just think that if I was to rewatch the three seasons of Daredevil, we probably will be able to find a lot of things with like, they're going to have to dress this, right? And this, and this, and this. And I wonder, and I guess as well, the big thing will be, so Kingpin is back in play. What's Matt doing about it? I guess we'll find out. He's, yeah, I guess we will. Yeah, I don't know. The Hawkeye I've been watching in Hawkeye, so I don't know how that messes it all up, but from what I recall, the Daredevil show kept its distance from Avengers, but did acknowledge that those events did happen. So it kind of kept like a kind of moderate distance away while still acknowledging, so I don't know. They might mess it up completely. Who knows? It's okay, really shit, by the way. I don't know. I only watched the first episode. I don't know.  I trust you with my life. Oh, no, you're full. Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. Oh, you know what you could do? Molly, you could put a poll in the chat. Hi.  So also it's gonna bring, I don't know when to bring this up exactly, but at one point, Peter says, I'm an Avenger and I'm broke. I remember that being a really sore point in what's that terrible show? Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Falcon, yeah, like how is it possible to be Tony Stark's protege, Avenger and broke? Like I don't get it. He had all of his stuff taken away by the police. But like he was broke. His money too? He's not 18, so it's possible. Well, yeah, he doesn't, like, I don't, it was like sharing in money. We now know it's canon that he wasn't giving money to anybody. Yeah.  Thanks Falcon and Winter Soldier. Yeah. Cool. There you go. Is Hawkeye good? Everyone vote now. Well, those who see it. For some reason I just saw that and like instinctively voted yes.  And I did. Hawkeye is morally good. I guess, you know, if the plot continues as it did in the first episode where a string of insane contrivances managed to get our character in a place where she can be for the plot to happen all while Hawkeye just so happens to be in New York. If it continues to be like that, then I doubt it's good. But at least it's better than everything else in Phase Four, right? Except for this. Except now for Spider-Man. Yeah. Oh, maybe that remains to be seen. Who knows? What will conclude by the end of this stream, you know? Well. I guess where are we at? I guess Stark was canonically egalitarian about his not sharing his money. Didn't share any money with anybody. That's not being egalitarian. It's just being greedy.  Oh, I hate Falcon and the Wind Soldier as a show for the most part.  Oh, yeah. Yeah.  No fun. Very unhappy. Like, wow, really.  Gave money to some random kid in Iron Man 3. But doesn't take care of his own people.  Guarantee you when they wrote Civil War that he was doing that with the MIT students. If you said to them, like, is he giving, like, stipends to, you know, his avengers? The Russers would have been like, of course he is. We don't need to address that. Of course. Like, yeah. Yeah, it's not even, yeah.  Crazy. And someone on the right said no. I mean, obviously he wants to be in a school with his friends, but I also thought of this. I'm trying to be as critical as possible, so don't hit me for this. But basically.  Wouldn't MIT kind of be, like, baby's first school compared to anything that Stark Industries is involved in? Or am I just being dumb? Like, it might be like, like a... MIT is one of the best universities in the world. Yeah, it is. But also, Stark is, like, a freaking mega-genius. Like, anything that they make or weigh. There is no Stark university, though. But... Well, anything about it with Stark involved in the world, MIT is just on steroids compared to our MIT, if you know what I mean. Yeah. It's going to be a better MIT, probably. It's clearly shown to be a very prestigious institution that smart people want to go to. It's Ivy League. It's one of the best universities in the world. Yeah, but I mean, like, my GameStop, my former GameStop employees to buy video games from, he worked at MIT. And he woefully told me about that story. Like, okay. So, like, as good as it is. There's a lot of people at MIT, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm not bashing it at MIT. I'm just saying that, like, wouldn't... Like, what else does... If Peter Parker is a super-genius already, he can outsmart the greatest wizard in the world with math, like how to get a job. Well, you know, I don't see him... I outsmarted a wizard in a weird way. Don't strange at magic. Like... Yeah, these aren't... To be fair, he's probably not doing as great as he could be. Isn't that a Peter Parker thing because of the fact he's so busy, crime-fighting and stuff? But he's also, like, doing really well in the test. Whenever he's actually pressing in, like, homecoming, he's super-smart. And I'm pretty sure his grades start failing in homecoming, and he has to shore them up. Isn't that something that happens in that film? I don't... I just rewatched it. Everybody's mentioning that Doc went to MIT, which would probably explain why he wants to go to MIT. Oh, yeah, I think he's more wanting to go because of his friends, but... Well, that was, like, one of the best universities in the world, especially if you want to do, like, science, engineering, tech work, stuff like that, which we know that he wants to do. Where should he go? I guess, where... Yeah, where should he go would be my question, I guess. Well, my point was, why bother with MIT when he's already an Avenger? He has Stark Laboratories connected, and he could just get... It's because he has a normal life. He wants to lead. He wants to be with his friends. And he wants to get a degree. Like, degrees are pretty useful. Yeah, I'm just... This is not necessarily an argument to wanting to be in MIT. It's an argument to, like, why is that your only option to the point where you want to reshoot... Well, he had two of the schools, but declined. And he wanted to go to MIT. Yeah, the two of them. Oh, and he got a rejection that says... It's ambiguous as to whether he just didn't get in or if he didn't get in because he was Spider-Man. Oh, okay, so that scene went so fast. So every one, it was like, oh, that was my backup school, that's fine. It was like a montage of Aunt May with the letters. Yeah, I didn't get immediately that they're all declined. That was my bad, okay. Yeah. Yeah, well, was there anything else for the Matt Murdoch scene? Anybody? Um... It was funny. It was funny. All right. Yeah. Well, I'm assuming you guys' audience, my audience was like, Oh! Yeah. Yeah, I got a reaction. That's one of those people. And I was just like, oh my God, I'm surrounded by people who even know who he is. That's cool. Yeah, I was really happy. Like, yeah, you all liked Ed, and well, that makes me happy because he is a great character. I think I gasped a little. I don't know why because I've never watched that show. I just know who he is. Me neither. I was like, hey! I think there was a big awareness of who he is, which, again, makes me happy because I don't like people who know who their devil is. I think on a matter of sense, people probably understood the significance of a non-MCU character showing up in the MCU in the film that it was rumoured. You know, everyone knew, everyone going in knew what the rumours were. I think for a lot of people, that was significant just to mean, oh, they are bringing characters from other properties in. Yeah. That's true. It was rumoured. Which is what it was for me when I saw him. He's the first one who shows up, right? Yeah. Yeah, so that's, yeah, that's the... It's like Garfield showing up before Toby McGuire. It was very just, it just happens. Look, the scene begins. You said Garfield. Yeah. When you said Garfield, my brain definitely went to a very different place. You have not seen where it rubs through the portal. It was on you, man. It's Garfield. I'm sorry, John. I think it was a small question about this scene. So he catches that brick. Like Daredevil's not super durable. So would that brick not have broken his hand if he reached out to catch it like that? No, no. It depends if he catches by decelerating his hand, right? Because a person threw the brick and it went through a window and there was distance. Yeah, so it's probably going slower at that point. Yeah, he's a strong boy, even for a human, right? He is strong as a guy, yes. He's not super, he's not like super human. But he trains a lot. A strong boy, yes. That's right. Park Street, yeah. So he's strong and he's got the reflexes and he's got the super sense. So he would have been able to sense that well before the glass. Well, it's probably worse case scenario. He has like no nerves in his hands, you know. Yeah. That was a boxer, right? He's a boxer, right? That was Daredevil's boxer. Yes, it's Daredevil's fighter.  Yeah, that doesn't work. I don't think it's a problem that he catches the brick. Yeah, I agree with Rags. Also, I was going to make an argument that the glass would have to decelerate at some point. Yeah, that was the impact. Yeah, this is going to be the part that's clipped and taken out of context to explain why we're a bunch of loser turbo versions. Vigil. Turbo turbine, not wear a turbine. Tib and Vigil.  Yeah, because it's a turbine. Anyway, so because of the heat, they're moving in with Happy to avoid the... Because everyone knows exactly where Peter Parker lives, but they don't know that he's with Happy Hogan living in his apartment in which he's taken himself some stock tech. The, what is it? It's called like the materializer or something. Fabricator. Fabricator. Which is funny. It's hypnotic. We could talk about that now. We can talk about it later as an entity. It's up to you guys. We can talk about it later as it comes into play in a very significant degree in the story. Very well. And so then we get MJ and Peter talking to each other, which I think it's hard to deny this is the movie that does the most work with their relationship. It's definitely trying to make sure we understand what it is that those two find meaningful about being with each other. And a lot of the compliments he gives her are all very sarcastic. And so the subtextually it's like he's saying what he actually likes about her is not the things that he's saying. I thought it was a decent bit of dialogue conversation. And I like Happy's injections of comedy, but it sounds like we might have some different opinions on that. I don't know. I'm leaving it open. I'm finding the least funny comedy character in the film, but I don't dislike him. I thought it was funny. I don't...  Yeah, sorry. Sorry, I just felt... I liked his comedy. I thought it worked. I just felt like he was a bit more emotional slash bumbling, where he's also supposed to be basically like the... Essentially the underdog CEO, under this Tony Stark sub-CEO type of guy. And he seemed a little incompetent. You remember what they do with him. He's bumbling, but he doesn't do anything incompetent, right? Do you remember what they do with him in the other movies? Yeah, I mean, he's always like... I mean, in Homecoming, he doesn't realize that the stealth ship is taken by Vulture and a lot of stuff. He's not particularly competent throughout those as well, but... The reason why I didn't know that the Vulture had taken the ship was because they made the high-vacuum seal, and then once they got inside, they were able to deactivate the system. He's... I wouldn't say he is... Well... In the position he's in, strictly for high competence, rather, he's like a very caring person. He's been good friends with Tony for so long. For a long time. Yeah. And he's not incompetent or anything either. Well, I certainly wouldn't call him bumbling. Bumbling is... I think when I think of bumbling, I think of Mr. Bean. Like, whoa, we've got to move to this part. Yeah, it wasn't that bad. I... With Happy, it's just that he's often lacking information, but he's still trying to do his best sort of thing. Yeah. He can be kind of... He can be like... I know, he can be sort of...  Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Because if you remember, he gets... Ha-ha, he's beaten up by Scarlett Johansson and Iron Man 2, right? And he's like...  At the same time, it's like, yeah, she's... Well, I was gonna say, it's like, to be fair, he's not going to be able to beat her. Like, you could use that comedy scene with any character who isn't also an Avenger, pretty much. Yeah, I mean, even at the end of Iron Man 2, they both go in and break it and Happy beats one guy, whereas Black Widow took out like 30, and he's like, yeah, it did so well.  So it's not too inconsistent. I just... It would have been kind of cool to have him pull through and do something really, really smart or really, really key to the plot. He just has kind of background noise for the most part, it seemed like. But I don't know. I mean, he's very caring and helping to our protagonists. Like, he lets them live in his home. Like, that's not something to be overlooked. He has a very useful presence to have around. Well, and I mean, we'll talk about it later, but there's some looks he gives at a certain scene that I find was very meaningful considering his role in Spider-Man's life. And makes you think for a second that, you know, this is a bit of a surrogacy that could have happened. They had things gone differently. Yeah, he could have been like a stepfather if things had gone differently, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so then they find out, well, that's when they go to the school and then they end up on the roof and they're just talking about their future plans. Everyone's pretty chill. And he said that the happiest he's been is when everyone he wanted to know that he was Spider-Man knew. But now everybody knows and it's just given him the old stress. But still dealing with it. And then I think we get to the scene where they're opening their letters, their final letter, because we do the montage of getting the letters and being denied, but they've got the final one and all of Ned, Peter and MJ get denied. And I think it does imply it's to do with their association with Spider-Man. No, it's explicitly their association with Spider-Man. He reads it out. Oh, okay. Yeah, he reads it out because of your recent controversies. Yeah, it was a reason, yeah, exactly.  The dark backstory of Ned. Oh, God. Like, he killed 17 people while nobody was watching. And comes in the first bigger criticism I have for this movie. Flash's entrance in the middle of this somber scene realizing their lives been ruined because they're doing something wrong. Flash is like, Loll, I'm funny. Look at me, I'm funny. I'm funny, Flash. Look at me, I'm funny. Flash has been in this film, I didn't. I fundamentally believe that, yeah, the MCU has a joke quota and this is one of those ones that they had to force in. Yeah. Which is weird because I have a novel out of nowhere. Yeah. I think the movie, for the most part, juggles the tones really well, but Flash needs to go. Get him out of there. Yeah. Yeah, when he shows up, it's like, are you just like some desperate running gag attempt? What is going on?   Well, I mean, it's pretty clumsy to like basically write a book to try and profit off of an association. Yeah, but that's just like, look, the MCU's depiction of bullies is a little different from the bullies that I had to grow up with. I'm just saying. None of them tried to be my friend and write a whole book on me, okay? Maybe that's why. That's not bad at all. Maybe that's why. T-Longhorn, with all due respect, you're not Spider-Man. As far as we know. Yeah, I was gonna say. I know that. But Flash is also not a bully, so. Not a very effective one. I don't know. If people were writing books, if I got famous and people started writing books full of lies about how we had a personal relationship and talking about money off of it, yeah. I don't know, I wish you just called me a slur. Unrelevant, anyway. Never heard of you use the call you a slur. Peter spots all Halloween direction, the decoration, sorry, is the little good ol' wizard type of thing and it's like, oh, I could probably, and I'm pretty sure he's like explicit, he wants to just undo what Mysterio did and he thinks that Doctor Strange should be able to pull that off and then, and it's just important to note, the damage will be undone, the damage being what's been done to his friends and family. It's not even specifically about him. Yeah. Yeah, when he goes to Doctor Strange, because this is right after, they open the MIT letters and things aren't looking that great for him, that's when it happens, which I think is really, really great for his character to establish that, once his friends are affected by it, that's what pushes him over the edge for going to get help like this. And we find out that the Sorcerer Supreme is now Wong, because of course it is, because Strange was disappeared for five years. And it was brought up on Friday Night Tights, I think, that it's like, yeah, but it should go back to him right and it's like, I don't think so, actually. I don't know how, yeah, I don't know how it works, honestly. Wong's pretty powerful. Let's just think about it as any normal job. He's been doing it for five years.  I'm doing it every day. I know all the people.  After this film, I'm certainly happy he's the Sorcerer Supreme.  I don't want Dr. Strange to be the Sorcerer Supreme.   I just want to point out that Halloween is directly responsible for nearly ending the Multiverse. Hey. Oh my goodness, great. I'll come up there. Halloween's responsible for this movie, so I'm more than happy to know. What would have happened if the film took place at Christmas? Who would he have contacted then? The Christmas was a snowman, was it? Santa. Santa. Santa's immediately like, my boy, you have to accept sometimes that you don't get what you want. Dr. Strange is like, oh, that's a way better. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually way better. That's so wise. Do you want to be the Sorcerer Supreme? It's like, what do you want for your Christmas miracle, young boys? Like, oh no, I make the entire world forget. And through the magic of the Multiverse, he's like, that's a whole of a Christmas miracle. What do you think I am? I wish you could. How do I get you on some Legos, maybe?  And then there's inclusion in the Avengers where we see him in the group shot with all the others. I would love that. Santa's public domain, right? We can do it. Yeah. The answer is public domain. Imagine if Santa's not being public domain American like Warner Brothers or something. Oh my God.  Well, happy birthday. The song is not public domain. That is actually a copyrighted song. You have to pay for it. That's true. By the way, speaking of public domain, the public has voted 1,200 times on our Hawkeye poll. You could maybe could take that. I think I'll get that. Yeah, I suppose we should, let's check out the results, shall we, everybody? How do I do this end poll? There we go. Rags, would you like to read the results? I'd love to read the results. Is Hawkeye good? After 1.2 thousand votes, 72% of participants said no, it is not good. That's pretty overwhelming. There you go, thank you. 74%, yes, 74% said no. If I think it's, someone might say like, well, that's a biased audience, isn't it? And I'd be like, well, I would prefer to ask the audience in favor of saying phase four has been shite instead of the audience. What other audience can we poll right now? Well, I'm just saying even if we had access, I wouldn't necessarily want the Twitter folk who love every single thing Mimsu puts out. Because you can't tell the difference. A quarter of a million. 1.200 million. So anyway, I heard someone recently say that the T'Challa episode of What If was good or at least the episode two, I don't know if he gets any more episodes. And I remember thinking, it's much less meaningful to me when you call things good now. Yeah. So I don't really know how to do this other than for me to summarize the events pretty quickly and then we'll go back, okay? So that we got a basis for those last things. Go for it, I know what you mean, yeah. Peter wants mysterious damage to be undone. Doctor Strange says he could do a forget me spell. The whole world, Wong says, leave me out of it. Doctor Strange conducts the spell so quickly that Peter, while trying to explain the parameters he was after, fucks it up, quote unquote. And the whole spell breaks.  With lots of bits of dialogue we will talk about, but that is basically what happens. Who wants to go first?      Yes, for Doctor Strange. It was for Peter. Like what? It wasn't for Peter, right? Fight, fight, fight, fight. Why didn't they talk about the spell beforehand? They both should have. Yeah, Doctor Strange should have. Doctor Strange should have told him about that. So if Doctor Strange says, I can just make people forget and then goes downstairs, Peter's probably just gonna be thinking, oh, this is probably pretty simple. Then he's doing it right away. He didn't tell him anything. Exactly. Like they're both idiots. Peter just says, I needed to fix this problem for me, Doctor Strange is like, sure. And then heads downstairs. Like, I don't see what the assumption is. Wait, hold on. Spider-Man and belly has any time to process that. First he turned him down. First he turned him down. Yes.  Doctor Strange can't work. If Doctor Strange. Grave issues. Yeah, but if Doctor Strange tells you that it's gonna work and he's the sorcerer of supreme and you don't know anything about magic and then he just immediately leads you to the dungeon. Oh, what does that have to do with him talking during the spell?  So what you're saying is that Peter should just accept this circumstance that he's now in of having everything deleted because he asked for some help. Do you know? Like he just has to accept that. I don't know how relevant this will be. We'll see how it goes, but once upon a time I noticed one of my feelings wasn't quite stable. When I went to the dentist, they were supposed to be looking at something else. I was like, oh yeah, one of them might need some work. And she was like, okay, sit down. I was like, oh yeah, okay. And then she went, which one do you say? And I was like, oh, it was like bottom right or whatever. And she went in there with a little tool and started flicking at it to get it out. And I was like, whoa, stop, stop, stop, stop. What are you doing? She was like, getting the filling out. Then I was like, are you replacing it today? She was like, well, no, but if it's loose. I was like, no, it's not that loose. I don't, like she looked at me in a sense of like you're about to hit yourself by moving. And I was like, yeah, but I didn't know that. We didn't talk about any of this. Like we just started it up. I don't know what's happening. Like I was like, no, no, no, I'll keep it until you're able to replace it on the day. Because I mean, I don't want it just to have a gap. I think the same thing happened in the scene. He was like, give me the spell. No, give me the spell. Yes. Oh, really? And he's like, follow me down the stage. Like, okay. And then Dr. Strange just immediately was like, this spell is going to make everyone forget. And then he's like, wait, sorry, what? No, I don't, I don't want everyone to. And the idea that like, I really don't think Peter's out of character here at all. I think this is all Dr. Strange's fault. He's a kid who's asked for something that goes beyond his scope of understanding. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not against that. I'm not against, like I'm saying Steven Strange is definitely one of the, like they're both idiots in the scene though. He, like Steven Strange, even Strange is wrong. For sending him down there in the first place.  Agreed, agreed. Yeah, yeah, that's part one. That's part one. That's part one of my problem. Hang on, that's part one of my problem. That's the whole problem. The second part of my problem. No, it isn't. No, you're going.   Like, wait, wait, wait, I just like to ask you. It's in the moment though. He's about to like.  Would you?  Really? When you're about to, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. My powers, my powers have possibly ruined the space time continuum, continuum, if I don't. First of all, you have no idea that that is the consequence.  But if you were just, you found out that all the people who love you are about to forget you ever existed, potentially, or parts of your life that even existed. Yeah, you're going to lose some memories of you, not. It's significant, right? Like, let's say. It's also, it's also Peter's responsibility to specify. Like, Stephen Strange, like, he's wrong too for even considering it. But Peter should have been like, look, all right, look, look. I, you know, I still want people I love to know. But everyone else, because he was on, remember, he was that scene on the roof where he was talking about, oh, the best, best time of my life was when all the people I loved knew.  Well, he's getting there, if you watch the scene, so the first thought he has goes to, is it Aunt May, no, is it Mary Jane is the first one? Yeah, Mary, they look like MJ. Yes, I'm J. Yeah, and then he starts cycling through. Actually, yeah, there's, fuck, there's all these people that I still want to know. Like, he didn't know this was happening. Doc Strange went way too fast. I don't blame him. And the idea that it's like, you're disrupting the spell.  Are you kidding me? I don't want to cast it. Why not just say stop? Why not just say stop? Stop for a minute. Well, I don't understand. There's what I want. Well, you also remember, I felt, you know, just tell him, ask him to stop the spells a little bit of much. I think, I was talking to him and changing it completely. That's fine. Yeah. He wants to change it completely. He seems intimidated by Strange as it is. Yeah, I completely understand him choosing to ask for it. Strange is pretty authority. I don't know why you're laughing at the notion that he would be intimidated by Dr. Strange. He went there anyway and asked? But he was so intimidated. He went there to ask him to do it. And he was very cautious and shy the whole time.  Yeah, like when I said intimidated, I don't know. Yeah, like intimidation. And he was like weird, he felt strange calling him Stephen. Like you could see, like you could see that he felt a bit weird for him to go, all right, Stephen. Like that wasn't natural for him. Well, respect is also making sure people know what you want before you ask for it. That's a Stephen problem, though. That's it. Yeah, this is a magic. He just needs to... It's magic. He doesn't know anything about magic. It's past the problem. It's past the problem. He's intimidated by a confidence that Dr. Strange is competent. He is the authority figure in the situation. He shouldn't have known better. 100%, like I'm not denying that. That's not what I'm denying here. You guys are denying Peter's responsibility in the situation. Yeah, no one is defending Dr. Strange. No one is defending Dr. Strange. So we can move past that. No, I'm saying you're like, he's the only one who's taking the brunt of this responsibility. He should be the only one who takes the brunt. Peter didn't do anything wrong here. Peter just expressed his incredibly relic in there. I guess to just... Well, that's what he found out. So, well, I guess to just make it more clear in terms of the sequence, hey, can we go back in time and change it? No, but there's a spell that I could cast that will fix it. And Peter doesn't know anything about magic. So Dr. Strange should explain to him the nature of the spell. He starts casting it immediately. No, all the only thing he had to explain was, is like, don't talk during the spell because you will change the spell. Like you said, you changed my spell six times. He was the spell to change there. Yeah, that's why. There's no going back if he makes everyone forget who's imagined the amount he loses with Aunt May, M.J. and Ned. If all of them forget anything interactions to do with him and Spider-Man. Yeah, that's huge. Yeah, but like, keep in mind, he loses it at the end of the movie anyway. That's not relevant. It's meaningful. That's why it's a mental sacrifice. And it's something that he doesn't want to happen. If it was something he was cool with, it wouldn't be a sacrifice. That's what I'm saying. Someone in chat just said, why is this lady so angry? We're all angry. I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. If it's so important to you, why didn't you specify? Because you can have a chance.  He said, I want to undo the damage the Mysterio has done. Right, which is actually more specific than what Dr. Strange does. Dr. Strange is broad. He's like, the world's about to forget that you are Spider-Man. He goes, wait, what? Because that's not what he asked for. That isn't what he asked for, that's right. To be fair, I don't think Peter says anything about his relationships or family and stuck to Strange and him or both looked for five years. So I don't think that Strange assumed that he had many connections. And that's probably on Strange, but he doesn't believe that people know he is Spider-Man. I'm not going to defend Dr. Strange whatsoever, you know? Well, it's not a defense of him. It's just it's not as bad as it could be. He would have known. If Strange went into this knowing exactly how important all of this stuff was to Spider-Man, then it would be worse, but it's not that bad. He should have asked, though. No, yeah, I agree. Yeah, because this is a very, very powerful and important spell, not to mention insanely unethical. This is what refers to when we say that Dr. Strange was sacrificed on the altar for this movie.  Like, that's how it has to go. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, I don't think that Dr. Strange should have known all about Peter's relationships, but the fact that he's so flippant about a universe writing spell is really bad.  Would that have fixed it? No, Wong's not supposed to have this either. Now Wong's not on the altar. Yeah, I suppose not.  It might be worse if Wong did it, because Wong is like cautious. He's not a trigger, right? He's a lot more willing to do things that are like a bit more risky, like doing it first in time to stop the doormammu.  I still think it's drastically out of character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still stupid, but he's more in character than Wong would be, because Wong would be more... Well, I mean, I guess the way to fix, to not assassinate any character is just to have a new wizard for this scene, it should have been Mephisto. Yeah, that was the fix, Mephisto. Well, that overcomplicates the story, doesn't it? No, it doesn't. We can make it all work.  In fact, it'll help a couple of other things later on, too, if it's Mephisto. Just kind of like, be careful what you wish for, kind of double. Yeah, we can argue that Mephisto was the true villain of this thing, just trying to make people give people what they want, but not what they want. I still don't like the idea of mixing super tech suit, Spider-Man with magic. I think that's kind of weird, to be honest. I think it's cool. Jumping ahead. Yeah, we are jumping. That's way further ahead. We've got so much more to talk about first. Yeah, I don't know if we need to talk about it more, but, like, my stats is Peter does everything I would expect Peter to do in this scene, and Strange is a complete moron. I don't take it back. College-bound kid doesn't know how to ask for something. Okay. He literally does. He does ask for stuff. When you go to get something, you go to get something done.  Does he take it out of nowhere? No! This is why I brought up the dentist, right? That's because they cut to another scene, Mark! They didn't know they were fighting the sea! What is that? They're going downstairs. They're going downstairs. What do you mean? Exactly. Like, there's no scene where you're like, hey, look. The point of ringing up, he says, like, there may be a spell, and then walks off. He has no idea what to tell him yet, and he doesn't even know what spell's being cast. All he's been told is, by Doctor Strange, I've got a spell that'll fix this. Like, I told you with the dentist story, it's like, well, it's some more or less character to have explained exactly what he wants to fill you. I was like, well, I didn't even know what we would... She just told me to do the stuff. I didn't know it was happening. I was just like, oh, well, this is the case right now.  I don't want to erase the memories of all these people. By the way, can I... Well, then... He didn't even have a complex. Because that's what I'm saying. That's right. Please stop yelling, Mettle. Hey, I can just yell with everyone and still... And no, no, no. Mettle, yell. What? That... I'm just saying, like, why not just tell him to stop after you hear that and just say, oh, well, I still want these people, all these people to know who I am. Except for all the... But he kept talking while the spell was happening. He did not tell him to stop completely. That is unstrange. That's not on Peter. Well, I feel like the big thing that shouldn't be ignored is like, OK, now we've just started casting this crazy super-duper spell, and now you've told me something that's kind of shocking. Like, I don't know that you immediately are going to make, like, the best decision in terms of, OK, stop. Like, because you kind of want to stop. I don't know why you're laughing at that.  This is like, yeah, when something really important and grave is suddenly introduced to your mind, you're not going to instantly just accept it, know all the consequences, and react to the best decision possible. Does he even know if it could be stopped midway? I don't know that he knows that. I don't know that, yeah, and he's panicking. He doesn't say he doesn't say he doesn't say he doesn't stop. He voices his immediate concern, right? He says, yeah, it's a very natural thing to do when it's like, it's not just saying, OK, stop everything. It's like, wait, no, I'm concerned about this. Maybe, maybe slightly later on, it would become more reasonable for him to say stop. But I don't think it ever became unreasonable that he didn't simply say stop. Yeah, I mean, as far as the. That's what Dr. Strange, yeah, there were any questions. They should have talked about it.  This will affect. You cannot swap. Yeah. Yeah, this will have grave effects on many anybody who knows that. Is there anybody you care about that you would like to be excluded from the spell? And that, by the way, is where I'd like to include an additional criticism of Dr. Strange. He puts himself in the lack of memory group. He's going to erase his own knowledge, which is not only out of character.  You need to explain to Peter what's going to happen at the end of the spell, which is, oh, hi, Peter Parker. Why are you here? And he's like, no reason to tell Dr. Strange. I think I think what we're supposed to believe is that I think that as an audience, we're supposed to believe that Strange thinks Peter knows that that's going to happen. Which is really dumb. Yeah. Yeah. Well, to be fair, I guess that's why he's not explaining it. Until I started thinking about the scene more and I rewatched it, that that was, I thought Strange wouldn't include himself in the memory erasure, but he does. Now, see, you put in all caps, Chet. Strange told him he couldn't stop after he started. It's like, so that's why they should have had a conversation beforehand. And Dr. Strange needed to initiate that because all he did was lead him to the dungeon and then just started before he had a chance to protest. Especially because apparently it's super easy to do it if you know what you need to do. And he very easily... Yeah, he very easily... If it was like really difficult to like, if it was like maybe even impossible to have exceptions, like it just erased everyone in the world's memories, then I feel like we'd be getting closer. And he edits the spell really easily. Like he asks him for an edit and he does it and then we carry on. And it's like, well, now I want another edit. It seemed pretty easy to do. And he's like, stop it. And it's like, look, you're about to erase the memories of the people I love. Like I'm going to try and stop you, Saws. Because you would think after the first correction he would just go, okay, we're not continuing this spell until you give me a list of exceptions. I'm not offering this. Yeah, give me a list, go home and think about it. This is important. I mean, do you think we would at least ask about this family? Unless the spell can't be canceled halfway through or something. In which case like it's done with him to start it. So that's what I just said a minute ago is, yeah, the spell can't be stopped when it starts, which is why they shouldn't have started the spell without having a conversation. Absolutely. But more specifically, Dr. Strange shouldn't have started it because Peter didn't know anything about this spell.  And that's when the problem starts. It seems like he pauses it and he can't. I thought he was editing it. I didn't think he was pausing it. Yeah, I thought he restarted it like he didn't drop it. I'm not sure. Yeah, because he like spins the circle and then carries on. And then that's a new circle. Yeah, like it's two circles instead of one. Like a refresh. Yeah. It is bad writing, but it's Dr. Strange who gets ruined, not. Yeah, we're just clarifying Peter's in the clear as far as we're concerned. Dr. Strange is done though. I'm not worried about it.  All right. I'm sure we'll get to it. I'm sure we'll get to it. I'm sure we'll get to it. So, yeah, then comes one of the- By the way, at this point, at this point the spell is only that they forget he's Spider-Man, not who Peter Plocke is, right? Yeah, that's right. Okay. To address a common criticism people have and I feel really bad that they make this criticism, but it's fine. We're just gonna have to get it clear and address it.  There's literally no- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say this. Well, you know, if any of you guys want to take it, then what's the criticism? Go ahead. So, okay. Go right. Go, go, go. Imagine all of the people who visit nursing homes and hospice care every day on this planet who have to remind their parents and tell their parents, I'm your son. I'm your daughter. You're my parent. We've had generations of time worth of experience together. There, I've reminded you, problem solved. It's the experience that makes the knowledge meaningful. A lot of their experience together as people are like, how much have they been through together? Post that knowledge. Ned and Peter, how much have they been through together where Ned is helping Peter as Spider-Man or they're talking about the fact that he is Spider-Man? It's like a huge aspect of their friendship is gone. It's not simply a piece of knowledge. Oh, yeah, all the associated. Okay, all right, let's pause, right? We've already got a couple of people saying that's totally different, and that's all Simon was talking about magic.  So let's go through this, right? You are having people's entire memories completely wiped out as it pertains to a very important person in your life.  I don't know what to say. You're insane.  They're just forgetting that he is Spider-Man to which a lot of memories. Yeah, everything important is that a lot of their shared experiences require the knowledge that he is Spider-Man. Like, remember all the time, like Ned describes himself as Peter's guy in the chair. Like, that's a huge part of their relationship that goes away without the information that he is Spider-Man. To make it more clear, throughout all of Homecoming, Ned knows and deals with the Spider-Man aspect of Peter. All that's gone. All of that's gone. You can't just re-explain that to somebody. It's gone. We're jumping ahead. The relationships are fundamentally different because he is Spider-Man. Exactly.  Your relationship is gonna be different. And let's say, I don't know if many people are gonna have like as easy as a parallel. I know. Like, it's hard to think of an easy parallel for this kind of thing. I think I might help you. I think I can help you out there. The only reason that I know Mahler and I know Fringy and I know Jay and I know other Jay and I know all of the people that I've met through EFAP is because they know me through my alter ego. That's true. That's true. I think that would go away. I would never know Mahler. I would never know Fringy. I'd never know Jay and Jay. I'd never know anyone. I would not be able to re-explain all of this to us. No, you could just re-explain that. I was gonna say, like if someone said you'll erase all interactions post knowing which state slash country everyone in this call is from. The second I found that out, everything post that is gone.  I don't actually know how much I'm about to lose. At least maybe not gone, but at least like irrecognizably altered in a way that it means no longer known. In a way, it's almost scarier in the fact that I now know that we've got loads missing. I don't even know what's missing. Yeah, so like if someone tried to erase the memory from me that you are the host of EFAP, right? Like that's the context under which we first met. That's a context under which we spent loads of time together. Like if the memory that you were the host of EFAP or that you were on EFAP was gone from my mind, I would be losing a lot more than simply that information. And you couldn't simply retell me, yeah, I host EFAP, by the way. I wanna address someone that said, do you expect me to believe he thought about it to that extent and didn't have that clearly stated immediately when he speaks to Strange? What he asks Strange to do is undo what Mysterio did. That's different. And then Dr. Strange says the world is gonna forget that you are Spider-Man. That's like, man, that's not what I asked. Let's pull back our aim a little bit. Oh, let's also be clear. Yeah, I am really a dog. I meant like the name of my alter ego. The name, right? Yeah, it's just, yeah, I'm still really a dog. Now, this might be jumping ahead a little bit, but I had a question about that in the end. We probably don't wanna talk about the end yet, but the original wish or spell was for everyone to forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, but at the end, everybody forgets everything about him. Is that an extension of the spell, or is that the same spell? Cause that was, I was a little- He says cast a new spell. It's a whole new spell. New spell. Yeah, fundamentally different. It's a racing all knowledge of Peter Parker from the universe, basically. I'm not so pretty sure the first spell is just birth localized. Yeah, because also- I think it's the whole world is not again. And MJ knew him before, MJ and his best friend knew him before he became known as Spider-Man, so that's why- You raised an interesting point there, Metal, because if it was Earth-specific, does that mean maybe if the Guardians came back that they would know who he is? I was about to bring that up, yeah. I wrote that down while I was watching it. I was like, oh, this is only Earth localized, but then it's the end of it. Is it specifically Earth, or is it just the whole world? He just says the whole world. I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean planet, right? Well, that's the way Metal's making is maybe it is just- Yeah, right, right, right. It doesn't matter at the end anyways, because we don't get that spell, because at the end it says everyone is gonna forget who you are. So it's like, okay, so we don't have that anymore anyways. I don't know if it's intended to be just Earth, but it obviously doesn't, because everyone from other dimensions comes for Peter Parker, including all of those weird extra-dimensional beings at the end, so I don't think it was localized. It couldn't be. Yeah, the last one certainly isn't. I think people from Earth from other universes, because you see like Scorpion, so like Scorpion from another universe, I guess. Rhino is also there. Rhino, yeah. So it's still people from Earth. But the TVA, let's not, shall we? No. Let's not, yeah, no, no, no, no. Are we not mentioning them all the day? I don't think we're ever gonna look at anything from the MCU in future and judge it with the knowledge of Loki. We can't. But the TVA, we can't. It's irreversible. Yeah, I mean, also to back up the argument against people not being able to be told about their relationships, being, that flies in the face of the critique that you guys had about Loki, like episode one, where he's like told that he becomes a good man and everything like that. That's the same idea. Like you can't be told your experiences and become the same person. Like all the experiences playing him. Yeah, all the experiences that crafted the relationship between Peter and MJ and everybody. If those didn't happen the way they did, they might not even fall in love with him because those was a very specific sequence of events with very specific emotional moments that led to them becoming together. But without that, they may not even like each other. Who knows? All knowledge of Peter is erased. How does he even apply for college at that point? Yeah, it's quite a sacrifice to make. Yeah, we can talk about that as well. He's lost everything. And I guess, so, because that comment was sort of in relationship to it, but I assume that part of the nature of the spell is that it also changes evidences in the world of this character's existence. It would have to. Yeah, it has to, yeah. Yeah, I assume that is part of the spell. So I have no issue with that being a part of the spell. Yeah, that's the one thing like all the records and personnel records. Well, I mean, in terms of world building and the power of this magic, it is fucked, that's part of the spell. That strange can just do that.  It's some incredibly powerful magic. Yeah, yeah. Magic to remove all physical, all remembered evidence of something. Yeah, that's that part of it.   Well, and I do wonder about the implications of it. Like, I wonder how that looks, if you have files just missing information and things, or is it changed to account for the fact that it never existed necessarily? You know what I mean?  Like, yes, the effect of gravity remains, but the planet not there. Oh. Well, it's like this. Let me ask the younglings. Yeah, because like just his effect on the world, the not, like, you know, me and Rage sent text back and forth like, oh my God, can you believe that guy Peter Parker was spied around the whole time? No way. The conversation has to either change or disappear, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's part of the spell. I can buy it, but that just creates all the problems of, oh, you can do this, because it has to logically follow that if everyone forgets about Peter Parker, then all of this information disappears. It's one of the things where we could speculate for a long time trying to figure out any system that might work, because that is the system they're using.  Yeah, the spell is basically my biggest complaint about the movie, because like every single photo, every single record, every single video, MJ's phone has to be magically wiped of very specific information. No physical belongings of Peter's could exist in any of these places, like photographs, photos on the wall, a picture of Peter and Jay's wallet, anything, first of the gets, yeah, backups, digital information, physical files, all of that had to be gone. If Dr. Strand had that spell, he could have deleted Ultron from like the internet. It makes me wonder about villains, man. Like, what if you erase a villain's memory? Wouldn't that like make them inert, basically? Yeah, you can essentially erase their evil, right? Just make them a vegetable, erase everything in there. And like, what are the limits of this universe altering ability? Like, it seems pretty useful. It seems either...  I think so.  May I just say... It creates insane problems. Team Mordo, take down Dr. Strange before he destroys everything, dude. Do it, buddy, I believe in you. Yeah, it's an interesting perspective with this Dr. Strange movie that you're like, oh, Dr. Strange clearly cannot, he's like a villain, a supervillain, a real supervillain.   And this also has bigger implications because like the fight between him and Peter, Dr. Strange should have wiped the floor with Peter. I'm sorry, there's no way that fight goes on. Hey, hey, hey. It gets you way too far ahead, way too far. It's like the next scene, isn't it? Do you know how much anyway? No, it's the only other scene at all. No, no. We're far away from that one. All of us are rich and to make some points. You've got to wait. You've got to be in a queue, the British way. Also, as for that tweet, rags that call it, I couldn't find that on his Ron Tamar's thing. I'm not sure if that's real. Let me take a look. If you can find the original, then we can read it out because I don't want to read it out if it's just fake. Let's see here.  Oh, I've seen that. I think that is real. I've certainly seen it around before. In proof, evidence. I couldn't find it on Ron Tamar's. I'm thinking it would be real. It can't be. I could believe it. No, no, no, come on. Yeah, that's the thing. Does he have a, does he write things for anyone or does he just? I think it's from his own background. You would just go to Ron Tamar's and look at critics. That's what I did and I saw his and it wasn't that. I think Sophia and I shared that. So, I guess, I think she's a pretty reputable source for that kind of thing. Yeah, but why would you take that stranger with a Nokia phone? Boo. It is, like, awfully distorted. Let me go to the best way to find it would be to go to Spider-Man. Maybe he deleted it in a shocking moment of self-awareness. Maybe.  This movie has a 94% from critics and a 99% from audiences. I'm not surprised by that. Yeah, of course. I don't think I am surprised. I've seen a lot of adoration for this film. As a big crowd, please, I'd add one. Definitely. Well, just because I got to go. I was gonna say, you don't need to just just have a look. If you find it, let us know. We'll just carry on. So, we got. Sure thing. The, then Dark Strange says something that possibly annoys me more than I'm not sure what annoys me more about him in every single scene he's in.  And then Peter's like, whoops, yeah, I guess I probably should try that first. And then they shuts the door in him.  You're the one that brainwashed the world. Are we gonna talk about the ethical invocation? No?  That's really fucked. I think it would have been really cool if Strange were taking like a mentor figure and just helps him out dealing with all of this. That's like a plot device for Strange. Yeah, but that doesn't get us a story. We're not allowed. I know, I know. I wouldn't have been in character, too, because Strange probably feels partially responsible that he led them in endgame to the correct route which led to Stark's death. So he probably feels part of the responsibility. You could wind that in, yeah. And the fact that he didn't show up for Westview or for Far From Out, what was even Strange doing? I don't know. Yeah, doing something with, I guess they had to clear all that snow, not like their wizards or anything. They had to clear all that snow in their place. Yeah, that's a use of a little snowy sunset. Shang-Chi, he gave Shang-Chi an eight out of 10. Doctor Strange? He gave two, he gave the... Doctor Strange gave Shang-Chi... Doctor Strange gave him quite a fresh one. Judy Bob gave Shang-Chi an eight out of 10. He gave the Suicide Squad a seven. He gave Black Widow an eight. Oh, boy. Okay. Geez, what a... Are those the only two numbers he knows? No, I'm just reading some of them. Those are just the only two numbers he knows, that's why. He gave Mortal Kombat a three and Cruella a six. He's very reliable. He's a very reliable criminal.  He has the best way I've ever seen of like making, adding a bunch of words to a sentence and making no sense whatsoever. I can't read his sentences. Well, a lot of people have that skill, to be fair. Well, this is his real quote. It's Hollywood's most awkward co-parenting exercise that concludes for now in an overstuffed, but by no means unsatisfying future. That's one part payoff machine for 20 years worth of Spider-Man history. One part way too meta franchise management exercise.  He gave Sonic a two. Really? He gave Birds of Prey a nine. Oh, fuck's sake. A nine out of 10. I don't know if there's many nines on here. There's a couple nines, but can you saw it by his highest rated movies? Can you please link this? I need to see this. This is just going from the blurbs because the Reed Morris, they link to his YouTube videos on them. Yeah. There's link to all his videos. Let me see if I can rate by, I can. So. I just link to all of these reviews. Yes, thank you very much. Yeah, Birds of Prey is a nine. Eternals is an eight. Shang Chi is an eight. Black Widow is an eight. Man. He gave three guy a nine. He's the perfect Disney Mark, huh? Three guy a nine out of 10.  No. What? Why would you? What? Could be a holy fat. Let's think of movie Bob's opinions and just confusing inside. Yeah, let's get that one. I guess what.  Guess a quiz. Guess what school movie Bob gave this movie? Ooh, that could be fun. Everyone stop looking. Yeah, stop looking everyone. What? What? We're already at two hours. Yeah, actually, you know, I tried, but didn't work. We're not even, we're like a six through the movie at two hours, guys. Yeah. We, that's a six. We're doing well, guys. We're doing very well.  Just all of this. I think they could have just had like cool banter with the Gerald because a few scenes they just normally talk to each other later. I think they're like pretty all right. Yeah, there's some stuff. I don't hate to work with there. I don't hate everything about Doc Strange in this movie, not everything. Yeah. We'll get it. Yeah, but I think that that's the way they joke is like. I would argue that per Doctor Strange in the movie, he is kind of characteristically reckless. If you see like, well, I mean, his whole entire arc is based on him being reckless. He's a little reckless as a surgeon. He's arrogant. He drives way too fast in the mountains. He almost loses his entire reason for existing because of that. So I would say that that's kind of there, but they didn't stay too far. At that point. What we see in Infinity War seems to me more definitively, Doctor Strange at that point in his arc, which is I've been tasked with taking care of the world. I will not risk anything happening catastrophically to the world for any one person. That's not happening. Yeah, I would agree that he's a bald past that. Like this, if this happens, let's say, halfway through Doctor Strange, the original movie, I'd be more on board, but he's definitely changed. Because in Doctor Strange, he gets to choose from going back to the surgery life or becoming someone who protects Earth and he chooses Earth. So I just, from that point on, I don't believe he's like, let's do a spell. It'll be fun. No way. No way. Yeah. Oof. It hurts. Yeah. I know we said we weren't going to read any more movie Bob quotes, but I have one more that I think you all enjoy. Rachel Wise has a little farm with several adorable cunecune pigs. Film of the year thus far, eight out of 10, Black Widow. Well, when the man is right, the man is right. Of course he loves pigs. He relates how he's a little old, behind people. We've been frigging to be like, hey, pigs are cool. He's not. I was actually wondering whether or not he likes pigs are cool. Bob, that's a representation. Am I oddly, that pig from Black Widow did look like him? No. If you just go back and see. Come on. And just like Black Widow. We're big alone. No, you got down. He got suffocated by a monster. Like he suffered enough. Maybe she rebelled herself. Right.  You know, it's my commentary. That makes sense. You got a week. We can we can we can run on. Let's continue. Or go ahead. So Spood decides to try and contact the admissions lady and appeal to her himself. He gets the information through Flash, who just says she's just left to go to the airport, I think, from presumably wherever.  And then the spider sense starts tingling, doing its little lingly flangles. Now I want to highlight, nobody's specific. All right. And if this applies to you, don't worry about it. It's fine.  It's like the whole world knows who is. Oh, what? Yeah, I clearly know. I don't know why that's sad. I know a few things that don't point me saying that. I just when I saw it, I was like, I don't understand. Why would he bother at this point? One little detail. I like those like Peter Parker. One little one. That's possible. Deny ability. One one detail I really liked about that is that when he was in his suit and then he got out of it and he was like trying to be Mr. interview man, his like suit was all wrinkled and underneath the whole ring for the rest of the day. I thought that was a good detail. It's a great detail. Also, this is the first time we get like a spider sense sound effect in the MCU, which I thought was neat. It's just a little neat there. It's like a bit of a call back to the Rammy films without going into more detail. I love the spider sense in this film. Yeah, I mean, do we know if if we're talking about who arrives? Is it contrived that they end up in the same place? Or is it? I think that was a result of Peter being there. Right. OK, that was I wanted to check. I do have a question about Doc Ock because he is not aware that this is what Peter Parker looks like in this film. But wouldn't his face be everywhere at this point? Or presumably is we have Doc Ock got disoriented from having teleported went to where his machine should be in the location from the Rammy films, found us not there, nor is his like hideout. And so immediately started hunting down Peter as the person who stole on his machine. You could argue his face on the way over there. Well, you could argue not only that, but also shouldn't he just be looking for information in general because everything will look different. Yes, this is a new universe. So surely he would have tried to get some information somewhere along the way that would have given him quite the realization, you know? But he seemed. Yeah, they treated as though he's just arrived from having been teleported. And I guess that's a possibility. Trying to think of how that would make sense, like in terms of does it follow? Well, because the other people teleported randomly because like wasn't met him in Mexico or something or since South America. I don't know how that was something. Definitely somewhere. So it's probably fair to imagine there was a couple of people who got teleported in that we never even saw because they're just so confused, you know? And do it not because I think Venom had a what could call a normal reaction than a lot of them. They all seem to be like, yeah. Rawr, just a drink. Yeah, he just goes to a bar.  Do you want people? Did all the people from the train and Spider-Man too? Did they come through the? Oh, God. Oh, no. Well, the thing is maybe, you know, maybe. Well, yeah, they could have been around. Like, what's going on? What? Where am I? Oh, my God. What's happening? How are the story of those people? Because I know what it looks like. That doesn't mean that they know who he is, right? Yeah, they don't know that he's Peter Parker. Yeah, I suppose. I'm like one of them managed to find. They know Spider-Man is a guy like a white guy with brown hair. That's what they know. Yeah. Yeah, they might not even recognize him if they saw him on the street, to be honest. Maybe, I guess it depends. Some of them might, like, if they could put a face to Spider-Man. It depends how good a memory they have for faces, right? Because, like, if I saw a dude one time on a train, even if it was, like, an important experience to me, I probably wouldn't be able to pick him out again from a crowd. That's just not a skill I have. Whereas, you know, I guess some people probably can. It depends on the individual. But I feel like it's probably not enough for them to get in the spell. They might have walked around the world. Knowing Peter Parker is Spider-Man. They might have walked around the world for 12 hours. They went to a police station or maybe tried to contact their versions of themselves. You know, what you're doing might have happened in the 12 hours they had or 12-ish hours. Yeah, there could just be like, there could just be a fun side story where a guy meets an alternate universe version of himself, like. Oh, it could be like a tragedy where his life is terrible on the old universe, but in this new one, he meets a girl. They fall in love. They're really starting to kick things off.  No, I want to stay. Well, God, that should be a really interesting subplot is if one of the characters that the alternate universe has fallen in love with, like, say, what was the girl in the amazing Spider-Man? I forget her name, Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy. Yeah, like, what if she was alive in this universe and then he didn't want to leave? That'd be an interesting subplot.  But that, I mean, I feel like they won't be able to fit it in, but it could be the kind of interesting thing to do in a story. Right. Yeah, I don't feel it fits in this movie, but it's it's a neat concept to work. Yeah, the story is already very full, but that would have been kind of cool to explore. I'm sure something like that's been done somewhere. That's ringing bells for me. Yeah, kind of like, oh, it's it's talk to you season two. Sidemen one, they do that. That's a plot line in that. Yeah, that's the story. You can watch that if you want. Fringy, what's the Simpson episode that does this? It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be something. Yeah, I think we're in the future. Tree has a horror or something. Maybe we need to invite Mike's to cross over here to tell us what Star Trek episode this is, too. Yeah. Oh, it does feel like a very national premise. I could believe it's been done a few times. Yeah. Because there is that one episode in season one where the people from the past are awoken from cryogenic slumber and one of them only cares about his business and his stocks. And then he has to come to get back all that doesn't exist anymore. Well, there's yesterday's enterprise where Tasha Yar falls in love with the past version with that past guy on the Enterprise C and then he chooses to go back in time with him. Yeah, so that you had to stop, though, the Romulan war with, yeah, I have a generation. Yeah, this is a bit of a tangent, but I just pulled up Twitter. Oh, we're there. We're there, Fringy. Fantastic Four was on the tab trending and I clicked on it and I'm happy because it's all people like, oh, hey, John Watts is doing that. That's going to be a cool movie. Yes, finally. I appreciate you for the man. Yeah, finally underrated at this point. I mean, yeah, I disagree with that. So this is the Doc Ock's theme starts playing with the spider sense and just Remy. Ray Moines start to come. Just fair. Ray Moines. Hey, I could be considered a Ray Moines. I was really happy to listen to that theme coming in. Cool. Sam and theme come back later, too. And like, I love a lot about Dr. Well, Dr. Octavius, I guess the I guess this the sound effects of all the tentacles and the clanking, the like how consistently will have at least two of them focusing on movement and stability while the other two are like attacking and then the different ways the tentacles make use of the environment and just everything to do with the person who's trying to attack like this the interesting ways he'll use the tentacles to do all kinds of different things. Obviously, Malina and his commentary in the fight is just fun to listen to as well. And yeah, I mean, we can't deny it's just like now we haven't seen him for like 20 years. Yeah, it's like 68 now.  But like, yeah, it looks pretty good for the most part, I think. Yeah, I was surprised. He doesn't look like he missed much time since Spider-Man 2.  Yeah, Tokok is awesome. And I liked how he's like the one that was actually being able was able to be redeemed at the end pretty much. I mean, I guess Sandman 2, I suppose, but he was like the really strong redemption arc there. I think everybody wanted that. And we'll probably talk about it more later. But like, Malina, the acting or like the immediate switch in the main, the immediate switch that it's so clear when he gets fixed up later, like, that he's a different person. I love it. So good. Yes, and we'll talk about it, I guess. Something relating to the tentacles is that we almost need to re-watch a little bit more thoroughly, but there's almost like an excuse here for why the tentacle blade is not. You say almost. That implies. Is it almost or is it just definitive? Jon Watts has answered the tentacle blade question. It doesn't work on the Dying Spider. Don't work on Dying Spider. Yeah, I'll see everyone. Hey, yes. And also, he has to restrain Peter from using his own arms before he can get a good shot in with the tentacle blade so he can't just press Peter down and activate it to begin with. So there's like two things going there. Yeah, I was really impressed watching him fight people and his tentacles. They really did seem like a natural extension of his body at this point. He was clearly used to having them and using them. It was really cool. It was just cool to watch him. Yeah, I'd love a set of Dr. Octopus tentacles. I'd like them too. That'd be cool. Pop them on. I love like how he's. I also like how he used to grab my bread. I love bread. Look at all the bread I could carry. That's what I want to see a movie of Doc Octo doing, just getting, buying bread at the store. Shopping and just being able to more efficiently get stuff than everybody else. Yeah, look at this bread. Look at this bread. Bread of graph. Indio, what are you going to say? Oh, no, I was just saying that I really like the detail where not all the time, I think, but a lot of the times, especially when he got more flustered, Doc Octo would start talking in like the Royal Wee. We're like, we won't let you do that. Because it's actually tentacles talking. And I thought that was a great detail as well. Like, yeah, yeah, really. So as soon as he gets fixed up, he stops that he's talking from the first person again. So it was just like, it was a cool detail because you could tell that of all the villains that deserve to be redeemed, he was just messed up because he's under mind control rather than, you know, something of their own. Like a motivation of power or going to his daughter. That sort of thing. Yeah, he's like, yeah. So it's like his tentacles corrupt his existing motivation into something more sinister. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Though admittedly, when he wasn't under the super duper control of the tentacles, he did not peter out of the way when he tried to unplug the machine. Yeah, so you can argue that it is. That's what Jay kind of bulls what Jay said, right? Like it's it's already it is there. It's just not as loud. Yeah, yeah, it kind of brings up the worst. The inhibitor chip removes his inhibitor chip from his brain. Oh, my God. Thank you. I'm here all day. I also like that Peter's like not fully engaging with this fight. He's also trying to plead to them and explain until he mentions I should have killed your girlfriend. Like, yeah, then he's like with personal now, you know. OK, mate. No, thank you. You've taken this too far, sir. I think it's funny how he takes the personal when it was just wasn't he. Yeah, it's not even about him. Yeah, it's not even about his girlfriend. And I do want to appreciate it is so much fun to think about.  And he finally gets me in a really good position. And then it says, you're not Peter Parker. It's like, what? But I am. Yeah, I believe. And I think I am so confused right now. I was like, yeah, he would be you and me both. So with highlighting a criticism, I know is is a thing, but I'll talk about it anyway. The oh, wow, how convenient that that the sorry. He said Tony's, which technically it is Tony's. But Peter's nanotech sinks with the the the claws and manages to get them all onto his side by pairing with his his AI. Like, man, if that didn't happen, Peter would probably be dead. What? I don't even know for sure. I guess you could argue that because Peter is kind of vulnerable right now. If you watch that scene right up until he gets control. The thing is, Otto is actually he uses nanotech for the for the the arms in the Remy films. He's explicit. He says there's nanotech in them specifically about the way they're controlled. And so he's which explains why he's not only aware of nanotech and not surprised by it, but interested in it. And that's when it when it wraps around. It's just the devices appearing. That's what the suit says and that the AI is more powerful in the stock suit, which is in line with what you'd expect because the technology of this world is far more advanced than the Remy base done and done. Yeah. Mm hmm. Feel like that follows close in effect pretty well in a way that I'm kind of a nice though. Yeah, it is. It is impressive. I wouldn't have. I just kind of went along with it because I don't remember that line from Spider-Man 2. Nobody would. I don't think it's like it's only the kind of thing that's going to bother you. If you start asking questions about it and if you start asking questions about it, then you'll probably be able to find the answer. Right? Well, I think this is