Hey guys, it's Nate A.K.A. the photo accountant. Welcome back to the channel. We've got a massive problem right now on FIFA 23 Ultimate Team because we've got shape-shifter content coming at us left, right, and center. And some of these SBCs that are being released are requiring a certain type of card, and those card prices are so inflated on the market. A, people can't afford them, and B, people can't even get them because they are extinct on the market. So, we have some big problems right now in this game. I think EA would hopefully want to fix this soon, but I want to talk about this issue because it's going to be a problem throughout the rest of this week because content is still upcoming, and will we see a big end-of-an-earra SBC today that might require some of those specific cards? So, we have a lot to talk about, especially with not the iCompact we thought we were going to see dropped yesterday. So, if you're enjoying the videos on the channel, drop a thumbs up on it, and of course, subscribe if you are new. Let's look over yesterday's content really quick because we did get a good amount yesterday on Sunday as expected. We started off with another goalkeeper, moved from goal into the outfield. We've got a right-wing Bravo card, and again, a W from EA here with the crafting objective. I've even started to do a few of these, not because I really want the Bravo, but I kind of want the Pax working my way down this list. So, I'm probably going to be grinding this shape-shifter's crafting upgrade this week. Personally, 93-rated fodder is not too bad. Again, it's just like the Bomb Up. You could argue that it's less usable. So, nothing's super crazy there, but another goalkeeper there. Now, in SBCs, that's where most of the action was yesterday. And speaking of goalkeepers, yet again, how many more of these goalkeepers are we going to get? Like, we've had Noyer, of course, we had the insane check, but now we've got Emmy Martinez as well as the center back. Medium-high, four-star, four-star IMO. This was the best SBC yesterday. Really, I think it was. We'll talk a bit through that here in a second, but really good stats in here. You've got great passing, great composure reactions, great strength.  He's got 88 acceleration and 91 sprint speed. While being lengthy, you can boost it up with an anchor if you want to, to make him even more pacey, or you can use a shadow as well to get the most out of this card that you can. And I love the price here. I really do. It's only one squad, 87 rated. Yes, you do need a team of the season player, which is what we're talking about today. This team of the season aspect of this SBC is making the price of this actually be a little bit false compared to what you see on Footbin. Footbin says 112,000 coins to do. And the fact that some team of the weak cards and team of the seasons are as expensive as they are is actually making this price a bit false, because if you take a look at the solution here, you see an 89 Cancelo that is actually on the market at 37,000 coins. But a lot of people, I think, are actually going and buying TOTS cards to get this SBC done because they think, oh, that's going to be the easiest way to do it, right? Go buy a TOTS card for like 60K that's 91 or 92 rated and fill out the rest of the squad. I think the cheapest way to do it is actually with the team of the week. So this price is coming in at 120K, but a lot of people, I think, are spending more than that because of just buying a 60 or 70,000 coin TOTS card at once. So again, though, not a bad SBC, a fun one. But again, it's starting to get a little bit old almost to me. I don't know about you guys. So many goalkeepers now have been positioned changed into the field that it's kind of like, okay, are we going to get some regular players? And I kind of caught myself thinking that today. I mean, I really love this concept and I think it is really, really cool. But it's almost like, okay, EA, we get it. This is cool. And what's happening next because now we're like used to it, you know? So anyways, WSBC, they're from EA. Some people wish that it was a premium design. I think since he's from Argentina and in the Premier League, that's a top nine nation, top five league. I don't think there was a chance that they were going to give them a premium card, but it is what it is. Now let's talk about more SBCs, right? Yesterday we did have the icon pack. It just wasn't the one that we really thought it was going to be. The 90 plus icon player pick return. And this is not a brand new SBC. We have had this one before. Now the problem is, yes, it's not that expensive, but it's not as good as the 90 plus Brazil, France or Dutch pack. And right away when I saw this SBC dropped, I thought to myself, and we were talking about it in the stream, we really wanted that nation specific pack just because that seemed to give out better players. Yes, this one's a player picker, but the weight on these, we opened a bunch yesterday. We have a YouTube video. I'll link it right up here right now if you missed that. Go check that out because we even got a little bit lucky got some really good cards, but there's still a very like low end of a lot of prime cards that you can get from this pack. And really kind of get shafted from this gamble pack. I really wish that we had the 90 plus nation specific because that one I think would have been a lot more fun. And I think people agree, 16% upvote for this 90 plus player pick. And yes, you can do it two times. That's one of the only nice things about it is that you can do it twice. It's not just do it once and then you have to wait. So you could do it twice. But since this SBC was not that exciting and it wasn't as good as the iCompact we had last week, you can sell. If you take a look at fodder prices, they are down. And technically in festival again, we'll talk about that in a minute, they just didn't really rise that much. A lot of 87s went from like 12 and a half K to about 14,000 coins yesterday. But look, they're back down again. You've got weekend league rewards. They're going to be paid out early this morning. And it's just a bit of a bummer that we didn't have a good enough SBC content to push up these fodder cards like we did last week. So in combination here, you see, right? 88 Navas went from 17K all the way down to like 15K. 88s are 15,000 coins, which is really, really low for being completely honest. But I think these cards are down a little bit extra because number one, you've got tradable supply from weekend league rewards. People are opening up early in the hours today on Monday as the rewards are given out. And of course, you probably have some people that invested that are seeing the prices drop and they're selling as well. So that's kind of the reason why you're seeing these fodder cards. Like look at all these, not all of them, some of them, zero games played with multiple owners. That's an investor. So we have a little bit of that going on there as well. And hopefully those card prices pick up during this week a little bit more. That's kind of the hope. It becomes white, right? You've got a lot of your supply on the weekend and a lot of your demand hits between Sunday and Wednesday with player SBCs, icon SBCs. It's still available, right? People could be doing this during the week with upgrade packs, like hopefully the 81 plus player pick returning today. So if you bought fodder and didn't sell it yet, I do think prices will rise a bit during the week. And hopefully more player SBCs like that big end of Monera Conte might push the fodder a little bit higher if there's more demand there. So that's what I would say for fodder at the moment. It just rose a little bit yesterday and then went down just because the hype of that player pick just was not there. Now personally, I did have a pretty good player pick, the first one. I was able to get Del Piero. So that was kind of nice that I was able to get that one in there. I forget my second one. Oh yeah, it was Bobby Moore. It was not good. So I was able to snag this Del Piero, which wasn't bad. I'm excited to try him out because I haven't used Del Piero like all year long, but not that amazing regardless for most people doing that player pick. So also mini release of cards and packs, Tuliso, Adiemi, and Ochoa. There's not much to talk about here because I mean, honestly guys, Adiemi is the best card that was released yesterday and he's 60,000 coins. Adiemi and Ochoa are both like 60 to 70K and it's just kind of like a bit of a bummer. I wish Adiemi had five star skills or a weak foot. 92 rated for him, 93 for Ochoa. Just seems like EA didn't boost these cards up that much. So fun to try if you're a fan of Dortmund or Adiemi, but a little bit disappointing for the stat boost on those cards there. And with that, I want to talk about today going forward and the content that we brought up at the beginning of this video, the problem with the content that is being released right now, it is with Team of the Season cards. Now some of you guys may have seen the prices on Team of the Season cards at the content drop yesterday. Guys, all Team of the Seasons right now, 65,000 coins on the market as I make this video. All of these Tots cards, yesterday when the iCompact dropped and when the SBCs refreshed and everything, peak of the demand in the middle of the day, these were 80,000 coins on the market. Yes, 80K for Tots cards, they hit that crazy high price, which is what they hit last year, right? And we were wondering from the beginning, when we invested in Tots cards like three or four weeks ago, we were like, hey, are they going to do it again? Are they going to hit 80K? And they did. Now this is the problem that EA needs to fix, right? This cannot go on forever. Number one, like we said, it's making SBC prices unnecessarily expensive because you're going out and people think they have to spend 65,000 coins on a Tots card to get an SBC done, whereas you shouldn't have to spend six, none of these cards are worth 65K. Klassen, Zanchenko, none of these guys, Vigorou, none of these guys are worth 65,000 coins in the slightest, right? These guys were like 30,000 coins or below that even before all of this demand came in and these cards were required. It's honestly just a tale of EA being lazy. It's a laziness issue from EA. We knew, this is why we invested way back when, about a month ago, because we knew EA was going to require these cards in the SBCs like they do every single year. But what we didn't expect to have happen once again is them to require them over and over and then also not give out these cards. The five times daily repeatable Tots pack that was supposed to be in this game every day during Ultimate Team this season didn't get re-released because it was glitched and there's compensation that we're still waiting on. Can't believe I'm saying that. Still waiting on that compensation. So when that happens and if they bring that SBC back that could help out prices a little bit but it's just crazy to what these prices have gotten to. If you sold these cards yesterday at 80K, big W, could they go up a little bit more again today? I don't exactly remember if there's a Tots player requirement in the FGS playoffs upgrade. Let me check this really quick. I think there is actually, there might be. It's an Inform or a Tots player. That's right. That's what's making Informs go up as well. They could go up a little bit more today but guys, I have to think that that 80K price point was probably the peak once again. It all just comes down to compensation because as you can see right now, prices are back down to about 65K and I know some people, yes, they were buying them to sell them at 80K and that happened really well but you're seeing some tradable supply hit the market because people were getting like 91 plus E-Figs, Tots, three players packs tradable from Weekend League and that's where you're seeing some of these fresh ones come on the market right now but it's a crazy situation and people are not able to get SBCs done because of it as well, right? You know, let's say if you're trying to do the Emmy Martinez SBC and you don't know better that you can buy an Inform for 40,000 coins, you think, oh, I got to put a team of the season in this SBC then you're going and spending 65,000 coins and making that SBC more expensive than it has to be just because the Tots cards are so overvalued and so expensive, there's so much more demand than there is supply. So yeah, it's just not smart to be dishing out 70,000 coins a pop to be putting one of those into an SBC as well and that's why EA, really the way to fix this is put out that five times repeatable, Tots, SBC it doesn't even have to be every day, right? Put it out so that we can do it five times a week or maybe once per day, right? That's all you have to do, EA. Obviously, you guys know which SBC I'm talking about with the Tots compensation that we are still, yes, still waiting on. This was tweeted out on June 12th. We are somehow over basically two weeks now. We are basically two weeks ish beyond that and it's crazy that that is where we are at right now in this game is waiting on this compensation in the coming days, aka see when September I responded to this tweet then and it seems like it's holding true now. If they brought that SBC back and they did compensation that would help out so much with this problem. Now, the reason why we're bringing this up and the reason why it matters is because it might matter today for content on Monday and that's what I want to touch on next because we mentioned it quickly and we've talked about it before when it was first leaked but the end of an era and Golo Conte is still leaked and we have no other player SBC leaks as of right now not a guarantee that we're going to get one today but if they were to drop this SBC you bet there would be a team in the season requirement inside of this for some of the probably 88, 89, maybe even 90 rated squads that could be a part of a really high rated really massive Conte end of an era SBC and you're going to need some of those cards for it. So that's why I'm not saying to go out and invest in those Tots cards if EA does not do compensation if they don't bring an SBC like that back or somehow supply Tots cards. Yes, if Conte drops today, these guys could go up. So it is a bit more of a risk. I mean, these guys are getting supplied a bit 64K is I think lower than where they were last night. So if you want to go for it, it's not the worst thing in the world to try and go and make a quick flip investment on. Just make sure that if you're buying a Tots card to do something like that, that the price range of the Tots card you're buying is high enough so that it can actually rise. Some of these guys have max prices of like 65K or 60K, you'll see undercuts here. So make sure you're not buying one of those and buy one that can actually go to like 80, 90,000 coins. So that's one thing that I'll mention there. Again, I'm not guaranteeing that Conte is today. For content today, last week we had the 90 plus Brazil icon upgrade. Maybe they dropped two icon upgrades in a week. That seems a bit too far fetched, but hey, you never know. They did it last Monday. They dropped that icon back then. Today might be a really quiet day on Monday. Besides hopefully the 81 plus player pick returning. Now I mentioned I've got the shapeshifter crafting upgrade that I've been starting to work on. I'm sure some of you guys have been doing it this weekend as well. And honestly, I don't even care about turning in rares to this because rares and non-rares, just like we saw last week, if they dropped the 81 plus, they're all going to be 700, 750 coins anyway. So you could get a little bit ahead of the game by buying some non-rares and buying some rares today. If you wanted to go ahead and do that, I've also got weekend rewards. I got my 11 wins. We're going to open those on the screen today. Let's check golds really quick. How much are these guys right now?  So yeah, literally does not matter if you're buying rares or non-rares to put into that SBC or the player pick because they're all going to be going for the same price this week. So watch out for that 81 plus player pick. I hope they just simply F5 refresh the same SBC that they had last week because that was nice that it only required, I think was seven players. Yeah, that was amazing. So I really hope that that returns today for sure. And then guys, we got to talk about the market as well. I know a lot of you guys might be like, Nate, why are we talking about the market in these days in this time of the year right now? Well, I want to help some of you guys out because I think there's some potential actually. There was a trend last week that we saw with Monday and Tuesday content being a bit slow. There might be that same trend this week and it has to do with the shapes you have for cards. If there is anything impacts that you're like, I really want to try out Nate. Couple of these cards that you're like, Nate, I really want to buy a Neuer. Really want to buy, maybe it's Martial. Maybe it's DeYoung. Any of these middle to low tier cards that you want to try out on your team this week. Last week, there was kind of a fluctuation in kind of a period between Monday and Wednesday where a lot of the shapeshifter cards in packs actually rose. If you take a look at the Daily Graph, DePie last week was his lowest on Sunday Monday, 420,000 coins. He was 470, 460, 470 by the time Wednesday came around because the content was pretty slow last week. Yes, we had upgrade packs, but it definitely was not that insane. And you take a look at guys like Sheraldo Becker as well. He is lower rated, so it's not as big of a rise like 66,000 to 70,000 coins. I think Rudeger as well had a good rise. Rudeger went from 478, all the way to 530K in a two day span. So all I'm saying is that same thing might happen this week with some of the shapeshifter cards. So if you want to try a Neuer, if you want to try an Anthony Martial, both of those cards have been fluctuating really well. So if you're doing it just from an investing slash trying to make coins perspective, that's one place to look at, right? The cards that move up and down the most are usually going to be the ones that are the best to try to trade with during the week. Rudeger last week moved up down a lot. De Pai did, and you saw their graphs, right? They moved pretty well. So I would keep an eye on those. Maybe some of the icons as well. De Jong, Usman Dembele, potential there as well.  But a lot of cards in this team, people want to try out. Recharlasen being Brazilian with five star, five star, just played against him in one of my last week in the matches, right? Neuer, of course. I feel like Neuer has taken a bit of a back seat in height because of the Czech SBC and all the other goalkeepers that have been released, but still something worth watching out for there with that card. So all I'm saying is the middle to the middle to high tier on these kind of shapeshifter cards, I would specifically say again, Martial, Neuer, Recharlasen, maybe Zaha as well. Just because he's got the premium links, he always up 11k. He was 180, he was 170. Dang, yeah, that was really low, right? I guess he's kind of been there through the last day or so. But just keeping on these guys because they might have some rises into today and then those rises might continue into the latter portion of this week. Depending on what content is, of course, if they dropped insane content today, that would definitely change. But I just kind of wanted to point out that trend for you guys because I do expect prices to be moving on these cards. This Martial card moves like over 100,000 coins each day. He went from a million coins yesterday at content to like 1.1. If he drops down into the low to mid 900s tonight, I might just have to pick one up because he's a card that I think I would keep an eye out on. And then I'm still watching that Antonio Rudiger card because yes, he is down from where he was when he left packs. He was like 520k, now he's like 470. And a lot of people are starting to get level 30. We opened a couple level 30, 84 times 30s on stream yesterday. Again, another plug for the video if he didn't catch it, that was in there as well. And a lot of people are using this Tony Cruise because Tony Cruise is 1,000% the best choice here at level 30. If you're trying to decide what to do, take Tony Cruise because this 8430, we got one lucky customer yesterday on a SharePlay that got an Anthony Martial. But a lot of the other ones of these have just been horrific. So take the cruise. It's probably the only card unless you're a Tiago Silva fan that you're taking from this objective. Even at level 40, it's definitely this 85 times 25. That's going to be the pack to go with. Maybe the player pick, but probably not. Because we've seen how 90 plus icon player picks have been anyway. So yeah, that's definitely a card I would take is that Tony Cruise. And as more people go ahead and get him, yes, this Rudeger could see a bit of a rise up because that Tony Cruise card is just as meta, if not more meta than a lot of the cards that are out in this game right now. So one last word on fodder. I feel like I want to cover this just again. You did see some of these guys fluctuate yesterday. I know it's not pretty. I know it's not the easiest way to make coins, but 84s did go from 2.3 up to 2.8. They could do some kind of the same thing today. So if you want to try to pick up some 84s on bid at like 2000 coins, maybe some 85s at like five point under 6k on bid for 85s seems, I mean, fantastic. These guys were all 7k. So there will be opportunities to make coins on fodder because these prices are just crazy cheap. Bid on 87s, 88s, and 89s today as well, and 91s are 29k. That is wild. These guys were all 40,000 coins last week. If we were to get an end of an era Conte, that's the real catalyst. If we were to get an end of an era Conte or something else that would require high rated cards, they would be starting to go up on the market, I think pretty considerably in terms of fodder. So that's kind of a Monday video for you guys today. Hopefully we get some good content. I'm going to open my rewards today on stream. I got to work on the cup matches this week and probably just grind through some upgrade packs and craft some of these objectives and get some of these SBCs done to try out Martinez, Sorloth, TD maybe. That's probably going to be the extent of my crafting this week. We don't have any SBCs refreshing today besides the FGS playoffs, but we will have another one tomorrow on Tuesday. So we'll talk about that and hopefully EA drop compensation. Like really, we really need it because Todd's prices are just crazy, crazy high up there at like 70 to 80K.  So that's the video for today, guys. If you did enjoy, smash thumbs up on a comment level if you have any questions and subscribe if you're new. See you guys on stream today. It's been Nate for the Count. Peace out.


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Nick me charged me, was I convicted?  And this was at the time when a lot of European football matches were on and whatever else.  The people I work with had the best roots. What customs officer wants, there's 10 coaches of English fans coming through at the pool. What customs officer wants to get a load of pissed up English fans off on the dock and start searching them.  I would have met the darts a few days before, I'd be plotting in an hotel. I'll meet them at the match, give them the bags, they're going to the coach, you just sling them on them. I eventually got called and got 10 year for people smoking. What they done is they duped me and said we need to take you to hospital to make sure you're fit to be questioned. And they drove me over into the English control zone. And charged you? They said you're now under arrest, drove me back to England. Did they have a lot for that? Nope, it was totally illegal.  Technically I was kidnapped by British customs and brought back to the UK because of the people smuggling. So I'm such a big thing and they didn't want it to be... New trends. Exactly. I'd actually took someone hostage, one of my mates for some unknown reason. And I was out of me nut, I took him hostage, armed police stormed the flat to get him out.  I worked out a plan, I thought the only way I'm going to get out is I need to make some sort of weapon that's intimidating enough. And at the time I thought, right, I'll get a pen, so I've got a big pen, a paper clip, and I filled it up with black current jam. And I took the prison officer hostage in the courtroom and said, if I don't open the doors, I'm going to inject him. So they opened all the doors. So at the time they opened the doors and let me go.  Ben, we're on. Today's guest, we've got London's Ray Bishop. James, lovely to meet you at last. Yeah, nice to meet you. You've led a very interesting life, brother. Yeah, somewhat. You're about to touch on Outlaw. You've just gave me it, so I will get rid of it, brother. You like the pictures. Yeah, probably, mate. I struggle to read, mate. But you've led a very interesting life from being one of Britain's most wanted men. You've nearly spent over 20 years in prison, armed robberies, drugs, people trafficking. You've done it all, drug addiction. But the beauty of life, brother, you changed. Most definitely, you know. I'm a great reformist. I think, now when my autobiography came out and I wrote it for Virgin, it was Noel Razorsmith, very good friend of mine, fantastic author as you know. He asked me to write it because he knew my story, he knew my tale. You know, I'd spent a lot of time with Razor when he was doing 25 years in the early 90s. I was locked up with him in Eyed Down and I passed crossed again. He said, you've got to write your book, you've got a fascinating tale. It's almost unbelievable. So I wrote it, Razor took it, he'd give it to the publisher that he knew. The publishing company read it and said, this has to go to a major publisher.  It went to Virgin and Virgin said, we're going to release this, you know, blown away. The most wanted bit, bit sensationalised, that was Virgin to sell books. I was for a period, you know, after I had escaped from prison, whatever else. But I don't know if I really liked that so much because I'm a great reformist.  Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah. Like I say, those kind of stuff, sales. It does. At that point you were, so it is true. We're good friends, we know Razor Smith, great man. Fantastic. Another reformed character is doing amazing in life. A lot of love for no Terry Ellis as well, who's on the show again. Another inspiration. Bully Muir, who's became a good friend. Another inspiration, another friend of mine. He's became a very good friend, man, over the last year. Billy's lived it, you know, I know Bill.    Well, Bully. Oh, yeah, them all. Bully, prayer before dawn, but shout out because congratulations as well. His message just had a son. Yeah, fantastic Billy. Fantastic Billy for beating cancer. Cancer won't beat you, my old mate.  And he's working on a second book, man, so...  I don't know a few strike hours, you know. So he says... So I always go back to the start with my guest, brother. Where did you get up and how it all began? Well, I grew up in Woolwich, which is south-east London.  Mother, Irish immigrant, you know, came here in the 60s. Dad wasn't around much. Dad was alcoholic. Dad was on the missing. Mother done the best she could. But you know, it was tough times growing up, you know. I wasn't this tough kid or I wasn't this man who I've been portrayed now.  Didn't feel like I had no place anywhere, didn't belong. And I guess I started to act as a young age to try to be accepted, if you know what I mean. And that meant, you know, I was pulled astray at a young age with the other kids on the estate. None of us had a lot, we didn't have a lot, no. And we all stuck together. And inevitably at some point we all ended up going down the wrong road. But for a multitude of reasons. So how was your upbringing from the teenage years? Who was those years for you? You know what, it was quite tough. You know, there wasn't a lot of love to go around. But it was because it was tough times, you know, tough times. My mother done the best she could, as did my stepfather. I had siblings, you know, I was at the bottom of the pile. You know, older brother, older sisters.  It was a big family. Billy did anything? Pardon? Will you Billy did anything? Well, school I was, I used to have big ears. You know, I wasn't always as good looking as I am now. I'm quite intimidated because you've got a lovely mane of air. Thank you, brother. But I used to have big ears. My ears used to stick out when I was a kid. Did you get them pinned back? I did. And this is one of the defining moments in my childhood. I felt so inferior to other kids. I was so conscious of my ears. I actually took myself to the hospital, said to the doctors, I'm really sick of it and whatever. And they said, right, OK, we'll send you to get your ears pinned back. Now, when I had my ears pinned back, I got my ears pinned back in the Queen Elizabeth Military Hospital, which was, it was a military hospital. It's no longer a military hospital in Woolwich. And it was at the time of the Falklands War. And I was on the same wall as Simon Weston, who, I don't know if you know, Simon Weston, he got blown up on the Bismarck or something in the Falklands and he was all burned, really badly burned. I was on the same wall as him, because it was a plastic surgery unit, and with the bandsman who had been blown up at Hyde Park as well. They were there. And that's one thing I highlighted there in my book. I said, I never heard a moan once. Some of them had lost limbs. Simon Weston was so badly burned. All I remember is they used to put him in a cold bath in the morning and leave him there for hours, because he was in so much pain. And the resilience of their men, incredible. How old were you? I was about nine years old, I think, about nine. But what happened was there was a complication. When they'd done one of my ears, something went wrong. So I had to go on to this plastic surgery unit to have more constructive work done on one of my ears. And because they were all military doctors, they all had, like, military names. And I was in a plastic surgery burns unit, and the person who'd done my operation was called Major Burns. You couldn't write this stuff, could you? So how was it then? So you were kind of bullied and you just kind of wanted it to stop? How was it then getting older? When did you start kind of getting into the cream? Well, I was bullied as a kid.  I wasn't one of these tough kids. I never would sit here and I was one of these big, odd kids and I was never a bully myself. Always hated bullies. But I started getting into crime and drugs, probably when I was about 15, 16.  And it was the normal, it was what people did. But again, I don't make excuses for the bad choices I made, but at the time I didn't really know much different.  There was not a lot to go around. None of us had a lot.   You know, the conservative party at the time invested in our future by building this big prison called Belmarsh, where I live. You know, my Woolwich is here, Belmarsh is here. And as quick as it was going up, the police used to come on the estate and they used to tell us, you're all going to be in there soon. And that was the truth.  Didn't make much difference. Oh, most definitely. First time I got stitched up for something I hadn't done. Now I don't want to paint this thing up. I was always squeaky clean, I wasn't. I was doing bits and bobs or whatever. The police burst through my house six o'clock in the morning. I was in bed with my partner. I was about 17 years old. Because I was a young dad. I was a dad at 16. I was about 17 years old. They said, we've just seen you driving a Nick car. You're under arrest.  I'm in bed. No, we've just chased you. You've just come. And you know, it's nothing to do with me. Nick me charged me. Was I convicted?  Go to court, guilty. You know. What was your first sentence? My first sentence was a young offender's institution. I think I went away for seven months, I think. Who was that, Foster Eamonn Seed? If I'm to be brutally honest, I was quite, I was full of fear. I won't lie to you. You know, when I first walked through the doors of Felton, you heard all these stories about whatever or some whatever. But I was quite fortunate because although I was full of fear, the minute I got on the wing, I knew lots of people. So, and it was always that way for me. You know, I'd end up going. And because I was from an estate with loads of people who were similar to me and whatever else. And if you, if you wasn't, if you didn't know someone, you knew their brother, their cousin or whatever. So I knew people from day one. Yeah. What is it? Did you start boxing? I started, I was boxing as a kid. You know, I went to St. Peter's, which was a... Was that to stop the bullies? Well, I just went into it because it was, it was there. It was available. We used to have PE classes, the caretaker of the school, Mr. Gaines was fantastic. And we used to have all the boxing bags and all that in the gym, you know. Five mile away, I'd bring it back into schools, but that's another, another debate altogether. And I started boxing there as a kid and didn't really have that many amateur fights. But I trained, I used to spar and train and train and train. And yeah, so I got into it quite young. What is it? Did you start getting out of serious stuff? Serious fighting or serious crime? Well, I suppose I started to get into serious crime in my early 20s. Early 20s. Robberies. Robberies. Yeah. Banks, post offices. Banks, post offices. The mall. Building societies, bureau of the changes. What was it like doing your first job? First job, I was the driver on one of my first jobs. And then after that, I was in. Yeah. And actually, did you get a buzz for that? Most definitely. Do you? I'd be lying if I said I did. Yeah. And that was the starting point of getting a bit of money, getting a bit of power. Yeah. Yeah. But then we had a spate of shootings in our area. The police started shooting robbers. I don't know if you remember.  They had a unit called PT-17. You still got that of the night? Well, there was SO-19, which was like the flying squad sort of wherever. I mean, I'm not a police expert, but I do know this squad was called PT-17.  And what they would do him was the armed robbery rate had gone up so high. They said, right, we're going to whatever. I think it was Douglas Erd was the home secretary at the time. He said, take a few out. And that will get rid of... We were like a young coward. Were we organized?    We could have a robbery one day for 200 quid and another day we'd have one for 10 grand. It was sometimes I'd done two in a week. I robbed the same post office four times in two months before. You know, I'm not proud of it, but that's the sort of robbers we were. But anyway, yeah, like on our area, there was the generation just above me. Two of them got shot dead on a security van and my other friend, as he turned to run away, they shot him in the back. So that tells you what they were doing. Did that ever scare you to go... No, it was definitely. And it brought the armed robbery rate down.  You know, I don't know if you remember the ram raids and whatever else.  Did you become more organized once you realize people are getting killed? Definitely, 100%. And the sort of clientele that would pull you in. I mean, when you're into the robbery game and all that sort of stuff, there's a lot in the periphery. You know, you're talking about getaway cars and all sorts of bits and bobs and whatever. And some of the more major gangs at the time that operated our area because we were good at nicking cars and things. These were skills we learned when we was young, nicking high-performance vehicles or whatever.  And you go, yeah, no problem. They'd give you a little... You don't know whatever else happened, but you know they want that car to do a bit of work and whatever. So there's a lot that goes on. So there was a lot more organization. When did you get your first big sentence? I got my first big sentence in about 1994. I think it was 94. I ended up getting five in nine months. I got a three-and-a-half year for a failed. It was going to be a robbery on a post office. We'd gone the day before. We had a thing where we used to phone the bell boxes back then they used to have these big massive old bells and they didn't used to be alarm. The actual post office, the alarm that you had on the outside was to what was called a trembler, which was on the safe. And that was the only part of the building that was alarmed. So what we used to do the day before is go and fill it with expandable foam so that if we went in the robbit and they set off the alarm, there would be no ring or whatever. I can talk about it, it was in Dartford. Two of my friends got arrested at the scene because we'd done it quickly in a vehicle. I got arrested a mile-and-a-half away in a phone box. No evidence whatsoever, really and truthfully. I should have been on your way, but because of my affiliation to them and the police knowing I'm a mile-and-a-half away, you're nicked. And you got a say for that? No, I got three-and-a-half year for that. And what happened is my two pals got two-and-a-half year. One of them farted in the dog. I laughed at the judge giving extra 12 months. I swear to God. What?   I was laughing at him. Did you think he was laughing at his sentence? He thought I was laughing at the severity of it. And then on top of that, I got another two-and-a-half years for... It was a high-value burglary. I had over half a million pound out of a big main post office in Bromley. Not in money. I had it in items and whatever else. Back then, you used to be able to get the phone stamps, electricity stamps and whatever.  You know, at times I'd...  So in some senses, it was like that sort of side of it.  It was a bit of a Robin Hood.  Heating everything on. That's how you must have known.  The way that came on top is the way it came on top for us all and there was an observation put on our little crew at the time was because we had to get the books to put the stamps in to sell them because you couldn't sell them in sheets.  Someone associated to us. They obviously thought this is a bit suspicious.  Did you have a tape crew? Very much so. Yeah. Did everyone of you do big sentences? Yeah. Some of them are dead. You know, I don't... On a job? Well, not on a job.  A couple of died. Drug overdoses. Another friend of mine got murdered. Another one took his own life. There was a lot of us. You know, there might be 20 of us or whatever because we all interacted from different estates or whatever else. I don't want to... I laugh about whether I'm not laughing at the victims or whatever else.  Yeah. I'm thinking it was normal. I'm thinking it was normal. You know, my story's my story.  Exactly, man. I'm totally the opposite now. Do you know what I mean? Lesson revolve got a story in the thing. It has cream sales. But we'll touch on all the change and the things that I'm doing now. But sometimes, if you don't laugh, you'll cry. I mean, it never ended up pretty.  Yeah. And a lot of my friends end up with big, big lumps of bird. Generation under us.  You've only got to look under us. We looked up to the ones above us and the ones below us looked up to us and look at their story. Yeah.  Lovely lad. I've known since he was disire.    And, you know, he ends up getting 25 years.  Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's the majority of people who come on the podcast say they're a product of the environment as well. Very much so. And you tend to see there is a kind of link between abuse or bullying. Oh, well, let me tell you something about bullying.  It was the police, you know. I don't hate the police now. I respect them. We need them. I don't interact. I don't have any dealings with them because I live a lower body knife. Mm-hmm.  We used to have anyone who was from my age. I'm nearly 50 now. We had the SPG, which was the special patrol group. They were like a tactical support unit. They used to come onto the estates in our area. Vans full of them. Full of them. Like a van with 10, 12 coppers in them. Oh, and they used to give you an idea and all they had dragged you.  They arrested me one night at a petrol station.  They dragged me out of a car, snatched a petrol pump out of me and they put their foot on my back all the way back to the police station. I couldn't breathe. I was passing out in the back of the van. It was funny to them. Yeah. So that's where the hate and rage can come to us. I thought it was a police screws.  We all were. We were scared of them because they wouldn't just... It wasn't, you know, they could arrest you and charge you and do it.  The police. You know, this is in the days when I was criminally active when I was young. This is in the days before taped interviews and cameras and all that sort of stuff. Everything was done. They used to write it down. Piece of paper. Yeah.  You know. And the older criminals in our area used to say if you ever get to... Never sign a statement. But they had signed it for you.   I didn't say that. I didn't say that.  You know, that pre-prepared statement. Do you know what I mean? When you get out of jail after your first sentence, after your, was it four, five, three and a half? Yeah. Was your life like then? Did you go straight back into crime? Well... Do you know what? I went into the smuggling world then but I tried to go straight. I did. I'd be lying if I said then because I don't think, you know, criminality and crime and all.  You can write him off wherever.  I believe if someone's earning 10 grand a week doing crime, you'd think, you know what this meant. But what if you could say to them, I'd give 10 grand a week to do something legal. I'm sure they'd pick the legal option. Do you see what I'm saying? I did try. But the trouble is once you're labelled, once you're in that mix, it's against you. You know, society doesn't forgive.    So you started getting down to smuggling, Rick? I did, yeah. From people I'd met in jail. I've always been very good with people.   And I'm a staunch as they come. My mouth's shut. I don't blag and all that sort of stuff. What were you smuggling here? Yeah, at the time. No, at the time, cannabis. Yeah, this was in the 90s. We were smuggling cannabis. From abroad? Yeah, Spain. Yeah, they were bringing it up from Spain. It was coming down from Holland as well, into France. It was coming back via daytrippers and whatever else. My job, I used to go out. There was a situation where we'd have the Dutch would bring it down into France. And one of us would go to meet the Dutch, take it from the Dutch and give it to the daytripper, because you never wanted the two to meet. Never wanted the two to meet. The Dutch, in my experience, don't trust them. They're iffy fuckers. MI5 and all them people and all these security servers and all that, that is where they operate. That's where all their snitches are out there. But anyway, car long story short. So he would never meet the daytripper. And this was at the time when a lot of European football matches were on and whatever else.  The people I worked with had the best roots. What customs officer wants... There's 10 coaches of English fans coming through at the pool. What customs officer wants to get a load of pissed-up English fans off on the dock and start searching them? It's getting them fuckers through. So we'd have a day... The people I worked with would have people coming over either as daytrippers or coming over as football fans. I would have met the Dutch a few days before. I'd be plotting in an hotel. I'll meet them at the match, give them the bags that go on the coach. You just sling them on them. If it come on top on the coach, worst thing that's gonna happen... How many kilo? 30 at time, 40 at time, 50 at time. When we'd done the runs on the ribs, because we'd done that as well, actually across the channel on ribs, it was bigger quantities. Have I get caught? I never know, but someone who I worked with did through stupidity. Someone in Glasgow used to do the hash runs, but they used to take the school kids over. I know people, look, it's despicable. It's like the money involved. They used to take the school kids, and you're talking hundreds of kilos. I've done it on old people. I was on someone's bit in Glasgow. I'm not making it right. If there ends, you go to...  I mean, the crew I worked with at the time, I'm not giving it...  I wasn't. I was a pivotal player and played the role, but I was only a soldier. I wasn't the Mr Beaks, the big brains. The people I worked with were very successful.  Did you get caught for that? No. I got caught. I eventually got caught and got 10 year for smoking people. What kind of people? Refugees. Well, yeah, this is in the days. I mean, this was 99, 2,000. I think I got nicked in 2,000. This is before the days of the open borders and whatever. The Russians wanted to preempt it. The Russians had broken up into all the little states, and it was Georgia. You had Georgia, the Kosovo, all these places, Serbia and all these. There's been wars out there and everything. They wanted to preempt it. It was people knew that eventually they'd be allowed in anyway, but at the time they wasn't. So the people I worked with, the gangs that they were working with out there, they were highly organised firms, all throughout the continent, and we ended up involved with them and bringing people into the UK. So you went from bank robbery, smuggling drugs to smuggling people, and you got a 10 for that?  So what was your 10 like? Where did you go? At first, I didn't like it because between me and you, I'm actually the first person in this country to be banned from holding a British passport. No, the second. The first one before me was a fella called Perry Wacker. Perry Wacker, he was a Dutchman and what happened is he had 52 people in a lorry and they all died in there, I don't know if you remember. And he got banned from holding a passport and I got banned as well for holding a passport because this was when people smuggled and first died. You know, I didn't really want to get involved with people smuggling, I wasn't a willing participant.  But like I say, I was actually arrested in France. I didn't commit an offence in Great Britain. I should have been tried, I should have been arrested in France. But because it was this new big thing that's people smuggling and Britain had realised what a security threat it was for the country, they sent a team of customs over to Coquel in France. They extradited you? What they'd done is they'd duped me and said we need to take you to hospital to make sure you're fit to be questioned and they drove me over into the English control zone. And charged you? They said you're now under arrest, drove me back to England. Did they have a want for that? It was totally illegal.  Technically I was kidnapped by British customs and brought back to the UK because of the people smuggling and it's almost such a big thing and they didn't want it to be... A new trend? Exactly. So they wanted to give deterrent sentences or whatever else. But what happened to me is when I got, and this goes on to how I became British most wanted man, when I was arrested, it was the people I'd worked for.  I'd been stitched up basically, set up because this wasn't a firm I usually worked with. I'd been put into a car long story short.  So they took me to Folkestone Court a week later. I was remanded in the custody obviously. I was in Canterbury prison and I was taken to Folkestone Magistrates Court. Now Folkestone Magistrates Court was a high security court believe it or not because of the... If you get nicked for smuggling in some of these cases people get nicked at the pulse, Dover folks and whatever.  So it's a high security court.  So I worked out a plan.  And at the time I thought, well, I'll get a pen. So I got a big pen, a paper clip, and I filled it up with black current jam. And I took the prison officer hostage in the courtroom and said, if I don't open the doors, I'm going to inject him. So they opened all the doors. So at the time they opened the doors and let me go.  The box set. Madness. What sentence did you get? The 10? I got another three year consecutive for that. You got 13? Yeah, another three years on top for that. Where did you go to when you were on the run? Do you know what? I'd like to say, yeah, I went to Spain and I had a big pot of money and all that. I ended up going back to the area where I knew best.  I wasn't in the best place mentally at the time. I got into that. I was using drugs at the time. I was using cocaine and whatever else. I think I'd reach a crossroads. I'd had enough of the crime and everything. I think that was the first sort of struggle with me where I was struggling mentally and I didn't understand depression and things like that at the time. But I was struggling mentally because the act of escaping, even after I'd done it, after I'd escaped I broke out of the cult. There was no one waiting for me outside on a motorbike to whiz me away or anything like that. I went down the beach, Folkestone Beach and I see the police helicopter flying about looking for me or whatever else. I saw a woman with a baby and I thought, I'll just stop and I'll lie down and talk to her or whatever so they've obviously just...  And then the six o'clock news comes on police are looking for this man, do not approach all these bollocks and that weren't nice, you know, to see that. I think that was that at home. And then obviously I armed police at my mum's looking for me. I go, man, my ex-partner's looking for me.  You know what I mean? It wasn't nice. That's the hard thing when the corpors tailor-laze the family. Oh, it's nothing nice about being on the run. I was on the run for like about four and a half months before they eventually called me. Where did they catch you? In my home area. Did you ever think about doing another ton and getting to fuck? Listen, at the time, I knew I was fucked. I knew the minute I was nicked, I was in a lot of trouble.  Potentially a lifer. Yeah, most definitely. With my record as well, at the time I had a conviction of firearms, section 18 and whatever else. But when I got caught, it was almost a relief, but when I was on the run, the fear, you know, they're going to shoot me. They're going to shoot me. That's what I was thinking, because I had a conviction of firearms. Anyone who's been arrested of firearms will tell you that when you're arrested for firearms, you have this marker against you. It's like even to this day, if a police car comes up behind my vehicle and my name comes up, they won't stop me, not one car. Before they pull me over, there'll be three or four cars. Because of the... The danger. What was your 13 leak? What jail did you go to? Well, most of it high security. Yeah, and I'm not saying that, but ego effect, but obviously because of the escape and whatever else. Most of it was in high security. I was up in the dispersal system, long light in, and yeah, that was... In Belmarsh? I was in Belmarsh, yeah. In Bronson? I've been in Bronson twice. How about Charlie? Do you know what he's got? Actually, I've seen... He's getting out next year.  You know, I used to think it was a laugh and plan over there. In 1995, I was in the seg with him in higher down, and I got to know him then. I just speak to him through the wall.  Do you know what he's...  Is it next year? He got his appeal today? Who would you rather have living next door to you? Charlie Bronson or a fucking...  He's no danger to anyone. He'll go on to be a celebrity or whatever else. He's a danger to them. Charlie doesn't assault prisoners or anything. He's actually a really nice guy. Has it reformed now? Pardon? Has it reformed then? It's not for me to say, you know. I wouldn't want to wind him up. Is he a big boy? He's a strong man. He's a very strong man. He's a circus strong man, isn't he, Charlie? He's a circus strong man. I wrote to him. When my book came out, I wrote to him and said to him, and he was kind enough. In my book, he'd done me a drawing, and he said, box smart, Ray. You've done good. And that meant a lot. Because, you know, I'd be patronising the sound that he feels. You know, I've done a lot of SEG myself. I've done some high-security gels and very high-security conditions. But you can't even comprehend what it must be like to be in the SEG as long as he's been there. You know, you can't even comprehend it. And he's not the only one. There's a lot of others in there that you don't hear about because they've not got the celebrity status. You know, like Tony Steele and Bob Maltzley and people like that. They've been in the SEG 30 odd years. Who are they? Well, Bob Maltzley. I was in the long line in SEG with him. He killed three people in jail, Bob Maltzley.  He killed one in Broadmoor, and then he was in Wakefield, and he came out one morning and said to the prison officers, there were two off this morning, and they just looked at him and thought, what are you doing? He'd killed them both and put them under their beds. But he's been in segregation now for 35 years, you know? You don't hear about these things. Who is that? I don't know when you mentioned that. Tony Steele. Tony Steele's from my area, from Woolwich. I remember Tony as a kid, and Tony got nicked for, I think he went away for nicking a milk float or something crazy like that. And that was about 25 years ago. He's been in prison ever since all for crimes committed in prison. Assaults on prison officers and whatever else, and he'd get 10 years, and I think he got life for assaulting prison officers or whatever. And they threw him off the roof in Wakemoor. Prison officers threw him off the roof. He managed to get up on the roof, and the prison officers grabbed him wherever.   So how was that sentence? When did you decide to go to Grendan? Well, what happened, you know...  Enjoy it. What happened? In 2002, I was in Longline, and I did that wall, you know, where they say...  Constance becomes a fifth pursuer.  There's things I would never talk about, but I'd lived it, seen it, done it in more ways than one. And I'd reached that road, and I went to therapy in Dovegate. You know, they took me off the pie list and I went up to Dovegate. I thought, right, I'm going to give it a go, because they half sold it to me. And that was all the way up in New Toxic. But the thing was, it's too far away, and I'm a Londoner through and through, and they've stuck me in this jail right up north.  One of them was, you know, half a wrongan, like one of the other lot. He'd come out, we was doing this group thing, and he said he'd been flashing the school kids or something. And then I had a little scam up there of another fella. We were getting bits sent in the post. Nick, a few quid, like you're doing in jail, trying to make it a bit better for yourself. And this other one grasps us up, so one day I thought, right, that's it, they've got to go. And at lunchtime, I'd done the pair of them with a honey jar. So I got Nick for two bad section 18s when I was in, this is the police are not all bad. Because what happened? I got Nick for these two section 18s and Darbyshire police come to arrest me, obviously.   The cop has come into the sector to interview me and he's looked out the door like that and he's gone, we know they were wrongans.  And he said, I'm happy with that. I went, yeah, that's what happened. He went, sweet, you won't hear from us again.  So you could have got a life off of that? Got life.   I never know what he was in for. But the old Bill knew they were no good. They knew it's a prison assault.   That's their philosophy. And I'll go into that with a prison, especially the ice security prisons. But yeah, they sort of went, but then the downside of that was obviously I was made the ice security again, back to long line. Now, when I was in long line, they put me straight back into segregation because of me assaults on whatever else. I think you're a danger to other people. And they was worried about my mental health at the time as well because of the outburst and whatever. And because of my escape, when you escape and use them extreme methods, not that they consider you dangerous.  And in some senses they were, off their head, people can be quite dangerous. But a kind of long story short, when I was in the segregation, when you're in the SEGs in ice security jails, most jails are called segregation. When you're in the high security jails, they're called special care and control units. They change the name to make it sound a bit more PC. But what that means is you have to be assessed by psychologists and psychiatrists. Every dispersal prisoner does. There's only six maximum security prisons in the country. And when you're in them, you get assessed by psychiatrists and psychologists. You go one route.  The options for me were the severe and dangerous personality unit at Whitemore because they thought I was dangerous or go back into therapy and give it another go. The psychiatrist tapped a pen on the table top. He said, one signature. And I can send you to Broadmore. And you know what?  I'd seen people go. Psychiatrists. Two psychiatrists go, yet we think he needs his criminally whatever he needs. He's a dangerous society. You're off to Broadmore.    Or they will chemically lobotomy. They'll get like the one flu over the cookies.  And you'll want to stay there. You won't want to go anywhere. If you used to go there and walk around the case, there's people who've been there 35, 40 years. There's a fella in there. I read about it a few years ago. He burnt a haystack as a kid.  That's what you're up against. That's their control measure. You're going in there saying and coming out and saying? Or dead. Or dead. Did that scale you then? Most definitely. Because I was sane. But at the same time, there was something wrong with me. I didn't know what it was. I believe what's always been wrong with me is like addiction and that stuff. But also, I'll go into it later because I'm quite open about mental health. I was diagnosed as being bipolar further down the line. But yeah, that was my options. And then I thought, you know what, all I knew about Grendan, it's like Terry Ellis says so beautifully. Terry's book's fantastic. And when he says about it's full of wrongs and full of beast. Well, at the time, I was quite fortunate because the new one had opened in Dovegate. The numbers had gone right down in Grendan. So what they were trying to do was empty the dispersals out of prisoners. They go, right, well, you want to go there. And so they started taking arm robbers and normal career criminals and whatever else. So when I went there, you know, I was very fortunate that there was people I already knew from the system. Other people had gone from the dispersal system. Three, two other fellows. So he came from Long Lighting with me who were both normal stand-up, since both life was both in for murder. But what I would call my own, like, decent criminals. All right, they were in Nick for Murder. That's their story. Who was it then? Go on now. At first. A tough decision for you. Most definitely. Most definitely. Breaking down the ethos and the barriers and all that stuff. But I was very fortunate, you know, because people know me and know what I'm about.   Yeah. But what I am is quite well known in the system. Well, I was back then, and I was well known for probably all the wrong reasons, but amongst my own for the right reasons for being staunch, for standing up with people, for standing firm with people, for standing tall, and standing up to a furry, which I've done on numerous occasions. You know, I hurt my stripes more than once. You know what I mean? And so I was known for being staunch. So I had to, you know, water finds its own level, like attracts like. So whenever I've been in prison, especially in high security estates, I've attracted the best of the best. And I'm friendly with some of the, what you would call the elite of the Britain's criminal underworld or wherever. People that you read about wherever. I'm very friendly with a lot of them people. And certain people, I love them, I respect dearly, like Kevin Lane and people like that in long line. I went and said to them, look, I'm thinking about going to this therapy and all that. And do you know what?  If you're a fraud, you get found out. And people like that are so stoned that they said to me, you know what, mate? It's got to be better than here. It's the best movie. And when you hear it from people like that, like proper stoned people, we sort of go, I'll give it a go.  I have them absolute cunts themselves. Do you know what I mean? A sensible person, a true friend will tell you the truth. And say, do what's best for you. Because Grendan's known as one of the most evilest prisons for the prisoners with child killers, child rapists, bad people. But from no razor smith who's been on it, changed his life, Terry Ellis been there, changed his life, it takes courage and respect for anybody that admit they've got a problem and potentially this is a last chance to make changes.  And another person I'd like to mention, just briefly, Louis Birch, God bless his soul. Who's he? Louis was prolific armed robber, prolific security robber and all that in the 80s and 90s. He died recently. But when I first went to Grendan, Louis Birch was there. And I knew Louis from Woolwich. Louis was old school, it was hardcore as they come. And razor, razor turned up from Whitemore.  And I knew razor, because I'd been with razor in the 90s. I knew he was starting his riot and whereabouts. But razors, as staunch as they come, proper, I've been in Bellmaster with razors.  And the minute I see him there and another fellow, Freddie Lahn, and the two fellows that I come with from Longlartin, I was already quite palliative with decent things. We had our own little crew.  And we all carried each other through it. And I was there for three years.  Who was it working on yourself, getting therapy, psychology? I would say, for me, best thing I ever done. Best thing I ever done. Not easy. It's an ongoing process. I didn't come out of there a closed book, but I started to break down the barriers. There was, you know, when I went there, it was us and them. Hated screws, hated authority. Lot of experience of prison brutality and all that stuff. I'd been on the receiving end of it. I'd witnessed it, the injustice of it, or whatever.  And they made us see it, challenged us, asked us questions and told us things that we'd never encountered before. My way of dealing with everything was attack. Here's a classic example. I'd been there three months. Someone sent me in a C.D. And I really wanted this C.D. like a kid. I really wanted a C.D. So I've gone up reception to get this C.D. And the prison officer behind the counter said, you can't have it. You're not allowed to miss a pre-eval item or whatever. I thought, first thing I've done, I've jumped the counter to attack him, you know. And Paul Johnson grabbed me, pulled me back, pinned me up against the wall. Rather than trying to hit me and bundle me or bend me up to the block, he's gone, where are you now? Where are you? And I was like, what do you mean?  Meaning, where are you mentally? And they brought me back to childhood. When I was a kid and, you know, I'm lost and not having things as a kid and all this stuff.  Getting neglected, feeling a bit abandonment issues. And that was your defence mechanism, getting angry. Attack. Yeah. Attack. And you identified all that while in there. What was it like, your first therapy session, being open? Did you talk about your bullying and stuff? Was that the first? Not really. Did you ever spoke about it? No, it's a process. It takes time. It takes time. I was more like, listen, bit cautious. We'd have our own little therapy sessions. Me, Razer and Freddie and that. We'd have our own little talks in the cell.  It's that way. The usual prison stuff. But that becomes tiring.   Let's talk about something else. Everyone wants to talk about football.  They're faggots. You know, I want to... You know what I mean? It's... Yeah, so we used to do our own little therapy sessions. It might sound mad, but we were encouraged to do that. You know, you're opening... You're starting to open up in a way you never did before. How did your hand have been roomed over there?  Well, the beauty of it, and I'm not just saying this, there wasn't that many on our wing. And the reason there wasn't that many on our wing is because there was so many... There were so many hardcore people like myself and Ray, Fred and Robert. Yeah, they was trying to... Let's see if this works for this mob now, rather than just the beast. Yeah, that's still bad, but I'm talking about with the child killers.  So they were kind of kept away from you? They kept them away from us because they knew... Shack could kick off. Well, they would feel too intimidated to do their work. You know, the one thing I will say about them people is this. If they're there for the right reason and they do the work on themself, that they don't go out and create another victim, full respect to them. Full respect to them. And I'm sure there's been many success cases. If they're there working in their ticket, they got found out. Because you can't kid a kid out.  So we give a lot of them an odd time. But in doing that, I think we played our own little bit in helping them rehabilitate and more we didn't. But you get an understanding.  What some of these people have been through themselves, you know, they were put into care homes as kids, put into care homes by the state to be looked after and protected and where else.   So when some of them, believe me, I'm not making excuses for them, but when some of them went on to be like that themselves, you sort of go, well, did we fail them as a society? In some cases, yes. Scared of you?  No one's boomed like that all day. That's what I'm trying to say. It's like, I can't say, oh, I went out committing robberies and putting guns in people's faces. That makes me in some way better. I would never harm a woman or child intentionally. You know, that sort of stuff sickens me and disgusts me.  Not get palli with anything like that, but not attack them. You thought it'd be more understanding. Everybody's stories and understanding the background. I would attack them like that in the past. It's your duty in jail. Is that the work in grinding that changes your mindset to look at things differently? Well, it changes your mindset and everything's a deflection.  So, eventually, what Brendan done for me is after a few months of being there, once we'd exhausted all that ease of wrong and ease of this bollocks, you start to look at yourself. And that's when it became real. And that's when some people either stick it out or some people go, and there's many times I wanted to flee, many times I wanted to run, but I'd have like Big Brother Razor or someone say, stick it out. Come on, stick it out. We're all in this. Come on, stick it out. And then we pulled each other through, you know? The three years that you were there, when you were going through all your therapy sessions, did you grow a conscience and think about all the victims, like the robberies and stuff like that? 100%. Does that become sad? Was there a lot of tears? I'd be lying. I'd be lying if I said I'm a weebber. And you know why? Because I'm a thinker, you know? My pain has always been... Overthinking. I have a think stuff and whatever else. Did I get in touch with difficult emotions? Yes. Do I feel sorrow, pity, sadness or the victims I've created? Most definitely. But it doesn't come out with tears for me. The way it came out with me is in self-destruction. Drug abuse. Beating myself up.  Crime, criminality, especially violent crime is a form of self-arm. You might think you're arming someone else, but hurt people hurt people. And that's my experience. And it took therapy for me to actually understand and realise that, you know? And since I've made my own choice, I don't hurt people today. Do you know what I mean?  You know? For whatever else. Any other... Yeah, I think harming others is a self-arming. I also think taking drugs is self-arming. 100%. It's kind of... Someone had someone on my show and he says they didn't want to live, but they didn't want to die. They just didn't know where they were. So the drugs was just pure escape, everything. Were you taking drugs in the jail before grinding? I had a period, but then I had a period in long-larting where in long-larting, it really frowned upon. When you ran on a wing with proper sensible fellas, they weren't really into the drugs. It's more the bows. And what they do in... In the dispersal system, what the screws do, it's a control measure. Listen, there's buds in there, got fuckled to those. They're doing life sentences, 30 rex salts, you know? They want to have a bows. The screws will let them, as long as you don't beat us up and you can have it. But once people start playing up, what they do is they turn it into a desert. They come in, they spend the center square, search squads in, nick everyone's bows. That pisses off the faces and the daddies and the wingwravers.   So it's a bit of we'll give and take. You know what I mean? It's a bit of a control measure. So in the dispersals, people mainly drink. And I did drink, but drink makes me, drink turns me into a nasty fucker. You know, I get involved in all sorts of, I ain't drunk for years, but, yeah, drink. Yeah, I'll get ready. Push over the edge. Oh, yeah. Well, it did then because I was emotionally very damaged, very scarred. I hadn't done any therapeutic work on myself.  What deal were you pleasant right now? No, I've never been fortunate enough to be little boy. But if I could have caused one, I probably would have done. No, I've never been involved in any riots or protests with anyone else because I don't want to drag anyone into my boss. Let me tell you something about prison riots.  I'll stand up for my own sake but I'll take myself down. I ain't taking you down with me. I'm not going to ask you to come and battle this screw with me. If I had a problem with a screw, I'd go and put it on him myself because I'm staunch like that. See, after your three years at Grendan, was it your choice to go or how does it work? Well, what happened for me? You know, I've done so much extensive work there and I've really, really done well and the one thing I will say about Grendan I don't say this stuff for a fit, he go wherever. I actually, you know, got on a wall from the little chief justice at the time because what happened is towards my, I still had over three years left to stir when I was coming to the end of Grendan. I still, I weren't going home, you know what I mean, but what actually happened is I started a little project in the Minnicut and we started going out to schools and things with a prison officer. I used to go out and went out on four or five occasions with a prison officer, gave a talk to the, to the, to the students or whatever else about crime and it doesn't pay and about drugs and whatever else.  I left school with, not a single qualification, I think I left there with someone's bike on, nicked, but that was my qualification but you know, I'd left Brendan, you know, I was just a year from getting my degree and everything and two officers put me up for an award and I got an award from the Lord Chief Justice which is, it's in me, I included it in my book if I remember rightly. I think I did. Yeah, where I got an award there you go, look. Yeah. There's a special recognition to the process rehabilitation. Rehabilitation. Yeah, congratulations, man. Well, for you. That was for like the work I put in. Does that make you feel good? You know what, it felt nice. Is that the first thing you'd ever felt proud of? Which was natural.  You know, as you know, I went into a write a book but I discovered I could write. It did feel nice. It felt like in some ways I was being accepted and I turned in a corner. I think when I first started grinding and I thought, I'll just keep up the act and it'd just be an act and I'll just act my way through but it became a point when it became very real, like to fight or fly and it actually did start to work for me and by the time I left there I actually fucking believed wholeheartedly in the process of rehabilitation and I actually started to believe that it was possible for me because my thinking had started to change and what they'd done for me, they were absolutely fantastic. They put a great care package together for me to try and support me to further it and I went to a prison in Richmond, Surrey. It's not there no more and I know a great thing the prison system's done has closed all the good resettlement prisons and it was what's called a resettlement prison and I went there for two, two and a bit years and for the last 13, 14 month of my sentence I was out working Monday to Friday I used to go out I had a job at a scaffold firm and I used to go to work and come back to the prison of a night time and it had been my first experience really of holding down a job working, getting a bit of money learning to budget and all that stuff it was phenomenal the way it all sort of mapped out you know it was really good. How much do you think you spent from the ages of 16 until you got out of prison? How much do you think money you spent over the years from drugs squandering that party lifestyle millions?