Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique house, it's your boy E.C.O. and I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official, Mr. Jamaica, what's going on? None of you know my dad walk on, but I want y'all to stop what you're doing, drop everything what you're doing right now, and go ahead and like, subscribe, follow, share us on all streaming platforms. We're on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, you name it, we're on it, but we're also on Patreon. That's where you're going to find our full length interviews, and for our membership fee, you can even do it on YouTube as well.  Thank you in advance for the support. Thank you in advance for the support. Of course, you got to thank our viewers for their support. I definitely appreciate them, you know what I mean? Yes, sir. I'm going to be real with y'all, man. I got a guy in here today. I'm not going to say that stuff. I know you what you think I'm going to say, but you don't know, Mr. Mako, what I'm going to say. This guy right here, a man, um, when I first heard about him, uh, I heard Bunby say that he was Pimp C's, uh, uh, Pimp C, he was protege, and he followed after Pimp C, uh, checked it, you know, pretty much the stats and, uh, talk with him last time and it blew my mind. The stories that I had heard about the Pimp RIP to Pimp C, you know what I'm saying? Uh, he the king of the south. Yeah. But for me, you know what I'm saying? Um, uh, not only the south, uh, my number one. So, you know, it's only right. That I have Steve Bilo in the building today. Man, what's going on, man? Hey, man, what's going on? What's happening, man? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming back on Boss Talk 101, man. I ain't gonna lie, man. It's a lot of people that's been came through since you was here. I want to kind of, you know, go back into some of the stories of Pimp C, but I also want to know what you've been up to in the last year, you know, because that's been a while. I always reshare your videos, your interviews. People love them. People love the, uh, the stories. The, we just want to feel a part of the Pimp, you know, uh, on the things that he accomplished, the people he accomplished it with. Um, and so we just thank you. We appreciate you for all the love. My pleasure. Man, how are we doing over here, man? We're doing good, man. Boss Talk 101 coming through, man. We were, we were really, really new, right? Yes. Yeah. We was new when you first came on here, man, and you sent us Bobo too.  So I had the Bobo super tight, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Bobo and Jazzy K.  You say, uh, man, uh, you need to interview Bobo. I'd never forget that. I was at the mall. I was at Town East Mall walking around and you called me and I was like, Bobo, I don't know Bobo. And then he said, my man Bobo just lost his, I said, oh, man, get that nigga over here. Well, you know what had actually happened? Uh, Bobo had reached out to me. Oh, he called you. Yeah. He had reached out to me and wanted to see how to get in touch with you. Wow. And then he hit me. I'm like, damn, yeah. Bobo would be a perfect person to talk to to get to the MC store. So that's, it kind of came together like that. Yeah. Cause he saw your interview. Right. Right. I think he was, because I think he hears stuff and he's like, let me, let me tell you from somebody who really had there, you know, I just got a call from him in the day on something. So he's always listening to see, he's very, very, uh, into if this was a legitimate thing that happened with PMC when he was alive and people saying what they saying, how is that? Like, do you ever hear some of the story? Like he told a story on here about another guy who felt like Bobo, he was Bobo in Houston. Oh, I believe it's in Houston. I want to say, but I don't know if he said Houston, but somewhere else thought he was the Bobo and really didn't even feel, you know, felt like that the song that was made, that one day was dedicated to him. Yeah. So do you ever hear stories like, man, I don't know. Cause it's a lot of conspiracy theories out there on PMC, man. It's crazy, man. It's, it's the stuff that I see on, on line or mostly like on YouTube is just the, uh, I don't even really want to repeat them.  That comes with it. I'm glad you understand that because I, I, I've had some, man, I had, I had brought Bobo on here and I bought, um, Pippa Ken on here and they both got to tell the stories. Tip for Tap, Pippa do, boom, boom.  Jerry. And these cats were really there. They really rocked with it. They were right there in the trenches, you know. That's right. They rocked with him. So nobody better to tell the story. So they both going back and forth. Well, you, the shoes that you had seen him buy, I got them shoes, stuff like that. I was loving every minute of it. And then all of a sudden, um, I think it's, uh, Pippa Ken say, well, you know, it was a sex tape. Yes, I said, whoa, and, you know, about it, my first time hearing anything about it. I swear to God, I didn't even know that I tripped out when he said it was a sex tape. I'm like, oh yeah, that he had and that it was basically a tape that had not been, uh, you know, that, that nobody has seen, but certain individuals. Yeah. Then you see, he said, I'm not going to say who it is. They took that and spit this so hard all over the internet, everywhere. And you heard all these stories about who it was and they put people in those slots. If you notice on my video, I had a black shadow. Yeah. I shadowed the people because he never said. Yeah, I know which videos or what kind of videos you're talking about. And I'm looking at, I'm like, how that timeline don't add up. It's crazy. You know what I'm saying? This couldn't have happened. That couldn't have happened. I don't know for sure about anything, but I do know how to put the timelines together.  This is possible. So it's, it's kind of entertaining, man. But I just, I don't know nothing about it. I definitely, uh, Pimkin came back on here because Vlad had said, asked Boosie about it, but he didn't mention Boss Talk 101. And he didn't mention Pimkin. Well, he mentioned Pimkin. He mentioned the tape, but he didn't mention Boss Talk 101. And he felt like it was a flagrant thing he did that to try to put a key in Boosie back to get him to respond in a negative way. So it ticked Pimkin off and he went crazy. Right here in that seat.  And he was talking to Vlad. Right. And I felt him on that. Actually, I really did. Right. I felt him. I was like, you're really right. Yeah, especially since he was the one that was talking about it. And you know how to get a hold of him. Just holler at him and get the story from the horse's mouth. Exactly. And I thought that was, I thought that was, uh, crazy that that story about that sex tape took that many turns. Yeah. It had everybody tripping. And then that, man, it just, you know, once you put something out there, man, it, it grows all kind of leaves. And you know how it was in school. If you tell one kid on the front row, by the time you get back around to that last kid and when it's about 18, totally different story. But I just, you know, it's a scripture that say, you know, talks about Jesus and it says Paul and it talks about the fact of. Paul said he didn't care about Jesus' name being spoke. Whether it was for bad or good, whatever, whatever way they were speaking it, long as the gospel was being preached. So I feel like. Let's keep Pimp C name alive at all costs. If Pimp C will live in here today. And because he was going and where he was headed, just like Jay-Z, he'd be getting those theories, all type of things said about him. Same way they talk about Puff Daddy. So whether he was dead or alive, they would still be talking. They bill you up to tell you down. That's how it goes. That's just the way it is. So, so, man, what you been up to? I've been working, man, working. What about the music?  I said he done put that on the back burner now, man. No, no, I've been working on it. You have? Yeah, I've been working on it. I got some complete songs.  I'm going to compile them together and see which ones go together. So, yeah, no, I've been working. OK, yeah, I've been working not as much as I would like to, but it's been going on. Wow. Yeah. Well, yeah, with it. So, OK, I like to, you know, I've been talking to some stuff off there, but I want to get into that because you do insurance, right? And you travel a lot. Yeah. So traveling, what's the other all the places you've been? What's the one place that stuck out to you the most? As in, like, I would live there. Hmm, probably either Jacksonville. Well, there's a few places, Jacksonville. And why? I like the size of it. I like the size of the city is like, it's not too big. It's not too small. And any place that's close to a lot of water, I can dig it. You got the St. John's River, which leads out into the ocean.  And just a lot of I like the climate out there is not like really like to to humid. I mean, it's humid, but not humid, humid. A lot of beautiful women out there.  So what's the kind why you would why you're like? I don't like it as much as I like Texas. OK. Yeah, I really haven't one more time for that. Oh, boy, I'm going to hear that real loud and clear. I want y'all to get this. Yeah. This boy here is special. Did I say that? What did you say? Yeah, I don't like them as much as I like Texas. So everywhere you've been, you don't like nowhere as much as you like Texas. No, I really hadn't found a place. What is it about Texas that you love so much? Well, for one, I was raised here, so I'm acclimated to your bias. You can't. No, I'm not biased because I mean, I when, you know, when I was a lot young, I did consider living other places. But it took me to go to other places and actually spend a little time there to make sure to kind of realize that Texas is where it's at. Texas is where it's at. Like I don't necessarily really want to stay in the city. But as long as I'm in Texas. So if somebody was to know nothing about Texas and they're contemplating moving here, what would be them? What would be the main attraction? Why you said you have to come to Texas? Bang for your buck. I think bang for your buck is it has a lot to do it. And then on top of that, we have all of the things that any other big city has as well. Well, as far as, you know, the big cities in Texas. I heard Atlanta now. You can get your bang for your buck in Atlanta, too. Yeah, yeah. I like Atlanta. Atlanta is cool. To me, it's just a little too crowded, I guess. For me, Texas is so big, so you don't really see how many people really live here. Right. But I love Atlanta. I mean, I've always liked Atlanta for like our aggressiveness that I see us doing out there. You know, that's always inspiration. I think that's one of the main to me. That's one of the main attractions about Atlanta. Why Texas don't have that? Oh, man. Uh, I would say that it's possible. They show us, you know, people always say, oh, it's not possible because we don't we don't come together. We don't do right by each other. But if they're us and they're doing it, why we can't do it, too? I think we were getting there. If you want to break it down, I think Houston is pretty much there as far as, you know, everybody working together and doing things together. And Houston has really been there for a long time. That's why you see a lot more things happening in Houston than you would Dallas. Dallas is just, you know, it's historically it's been behind in that regard, you know what I'm saying? But we're getting there because communication is more like we were communicating more. Like I said, I think I said on the last interview, Dallas is just so spread out. Networking in the past has been really difficult, but now it's a lot easier given that people can communicate more freely now. I never looked it up. Who's bigger? Dallas or Houston? Houston is bigger. Houston is the fourth, maybe even third biggest city in the United States. That's what makes it so much more aggressive. It's it's got a lot more things that people channel into because of the size of it. We're not we're not doing bad now. Don't get it twisted. Dallas is a place. Men, you know, I have this situation where I tell people this all the time. Dallas in Fort Dallas, Fort Worth is known for billionaires. Yeah, you know that, don't you? Yes, a lot of Sam Walton's people is over there in Fort Worth. You know, yeah, it's a lot going on here. But then you got Robert Smith, shout out over in Austin, Rich's brother in America, an African American brother, one paid all that money for Morehouse College for all those students that time. So, you know, Texas has got a lot of opportunity and people know it. That's why they move here. Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons why I would I would choose to stay here is because of the opportunities and to finally see, especially this city, to finally see it starting to thrive and prosper as people getting together instead of, you know, everybody wanting to be first, you know what I'm saying? And people starting to realize and that, hey, we can do it together. That's that's one of the things I'd like to just see this city just come into its own in that kind of regard. I would, too. I really would. But I keep trying to figure out what would it take? And I can't come up with an answer. Really, I think it would take a certain type of mentality that needs to become the popular or the norm. But somebody got to start it. And within every generation, in order for something to become popular, somebody have to start it when it wasn't popular. And everybody looking at them at a crazy like, yeah, really, you know, and down talk them. And that's how everything becomes popular. Nothing just starts and be like, oh, yeah, that's dope. Yeah. It doesn't happen like that. People don't like change.  And then after a while, just like music, you play a certain song on the radio and how many of us be like, oh, really? But hear it every day after week after week after day. And you're like, man, it's jamming. You see what I mean? So that applies to everything in life. Well, when it comes to the music hip hop, how do you feel? You know, you're Dallas vet. Like, how do you feel about where the music is when you look at across the board? Not just Dallas, but in the South, I'll say, because that's what I'm more concentrate on. I think I think a lot of it is come back to the to the roots. You know what I'm saying? It's like I listen to a lot of a lot of music these days. And it's got the 808 drums in it. You know, the 808 has always been there. But 808 started way back in the early 80s. You know what I'm saying? But I like the new music that's out now. I think there's a large variety. I'd like to hear a little bit more real voices. Isn't that auto tune? Well, yeah, a little less of that and some more real voices. Like some of the some of the auto tune stuff is cool. Like I'm with it, but it's kind of got everybody sounding somewhat the same. Would you blame that on Lil Wayne? Because a lot of people just started. It wasn't the one that started, but he didn't show master it. I mean, he was they were talking about top artists of the day. And they said that they were saying 50 cent. He couldn't stand next to 50 cent in a versus. They put him up 50 up higher than him. Then who then Lil Wayne? Really? Yeah. But it was East Coast, I think, judgment.  I don't know how you can call it on any coast. I don't agree with that either because it worked so hard when he was when he was really doing this thing. I never seen nobody just go at it the way Lil Wayne did and be creative with his word played like he was, you know? I mean, just just his growth alone as an artist, you know, I mean, from from when he started as a young kid, you know what I'm saying? And to to where he's at now, he's metamorphosized into so many different other people and styles and mastered them all. Like none of them sound bad. You know what I'm saying? Not many people can do that. Not many people. They'll find a style. They'll find their niche and they'll come in and they'll use that. They won't be able to switch it up if they kind of veer off from what they used to doing or what people are used to them doing. You know, it's it's it's a slippery slope. You know, but Wayne, he was able to to to start from where he started. And he switched up on him. I think that that has a lot to do with his longevity. You know, yeah, yeah. You can't you can't you can't switch it up like that and be successful at all of them and not have a special talent. Yeah, he kind of I seen him when he when he. Rob, you know, on that stuff like my dad, it was more I seen a lot of that from the red red got real prevalent for. Yeah, you know, and then after that, you see him he jump up and grab a skateboard at one point, a good target, another point. You know, he's recreating and reinventing all the time. I don't know if he's planning it. I'm pretty sure they're proposing and planning because that's what the boys do. You know what I like about that, though, bro? By him picking up the guitar and deal, you know, messing with rock and showing the kids, you don't have to be one way. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to be just like the person that you see on TV. Like all of these different types of people are cool. It's which it's about whichever one you feel the most or the one that you identify with the most. That's I can appreciate that about him being able to switch his styles up and his whole, you know, everything. So yeah, I think I agree with that as well. I like the way he had diversity. He was able to translate, be transparent and, you know, being who he needed to be at the times.  Look at all the transformation I just told you about. Yeah. Do you see any other artists that's doing that that's going into different genres? Like a lot of times people stay where they comfortable at. Yeah, you can listen to a what's that boy named, 21 Savage. He sound good, but he sound a lot like 21 Savage. Yeah, I'm being real. Yeah, he do because they do features with different people, whether it be Drake or whether Drake do one with him or whether it be future in him or they keep it real conservative to towards what they're, you know, what they're doing. Right. Lil Wayne was changing with the times is what I'm saying. That's what made him different, right? Yeah. But he was not only changing with the times, he was changing with himself to with himself. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.  Huh? Oh, yeah.  What about I had a dilemma on here. I had to check some dudes on here. You might not have been watching the episodes when I checked them. And you might not agree with me, but you just hit kind of close to home down there with Mayo, Neum and all the people you were rocking with. I told people that Boosie make great songs. Boom, he going to drop you some great songs. But I don't think Boosie has had a better set project than Webby did with Savage Life one and two. Just a just all around, you know what I mean? Just put together album, boom, drop it. I don't. It's hard to get around Savage Life one and two, man. Especially Savage Life one. Especially Savage Life one. Savage Life one was put together really, really, really well. You were like during that time, you had already moved away from them. Well, yeah, around that that whole family. Yeah, we were still in touch, but I was fortunate enough to get a couple of tracks in on Savage Life one. You put which ones did you do on?   Retarded. OK. And you can hear it, you can hear the beat. Stop playing. Stop playing. Yeah, I did them too. Really? Yeah. So how was it retarded? Well, like when you did it, did what you actually you in the stew with Webby when you're done? Or you may be just sent it to a yeah. Well, you and Dallas are down there, Steve, because you were down there, too. I was in Dallas. So you was in that you came back. Yeah, what happened was they had got the deal and they pretty much almost finished up the Savage Life one album. And they were looking for some other stuff and I sent them some tracks. And at the time, they were recording an album in Orlando. OK. So I flew out to Orlando and dropped it. They had rented a house out there and they had a studio in there. And I dropped it out there and she put the put the lyrics on it. That was that was it. It was hard. Yeah, yeah, I had to get away from Baton Rouge, record the album.  So they're having a good time. Yeah, yeah. So they had to get away from they was when it was uncut, when they weren't thinking about everything. Yeah, that was the first time ever flew on the plane, man. I was back in what was that? Two thousand. You went down there. Yeah, yeah, I flew out there to Orlando. Yeah. And y'all hung out or we hung out in the rent house. We were just all like in one house. You know, all was it? Oh, man, who was it? It was me. Maybe it was there. Me, it was there. Turk was there. Shit, I really and some other people I really didn't didn't know, like friends and family and stuff for them or, you know, just people that like homeboys, yeah, of Webby or, you know, I didn't really, I don't really remember anything. But when you when you get in an environment like that, you knew you was locked in for that album? Oh, y'all were just working at that point. And we were just working, just working, just working. And I had already sent the tracks and they pretty much decided that they wanted them at that point. So I just flew out there to lay them down. OK. Yeah. Explain, lay them down to the people that don't understand what the heck you mean when you say you lay them down, right, babe? Yeah.  Shit, man, back then. If this was like before laptops, this was before digital audio workstations and all of that. I think all of that stuff was just coming in the in the play. I was a little, I wouldn't I wouldn't say late to the party in that. But I still had my my old way and method of doing it. So that's what I was sticking with. But anyway, like you used to have to deal with hardware and what hardware is like a keyboard or like a sound module or any other drum machines or anything like that. Nowadays, it's all within the laptop. It used to be all separate pieces with us. Wow. So laid the track down. I had to take my my keyboard, my drum machine and my Roland JV 1080 sound module all out there to Orlando. We plug it into the studio. They sync it up and they sync it up through MIDI like everything. All of those three machines were locked together. You know what I'm saying? And they all time sync with each other. So when you push the play button on the record or the console, it kicks it off. Wow. And you land the tracks in real time. So as as the tracks are playing, you land it in real time on. I think we were working with Pro Tools. We were at least working with Pro Tools at that time. Yeah. But Pro Tools are still kind of new. So just landed land each track symbol, kick, snare, sample, horn, whatever, all in real time. And then then they will come back and rap over it. OK, we'll come come in and work up, rap over it. That's to get the technique down to where it sounds exactly how they want to get it. Well, it's to actually make the song, make the song to record the song. How many times did we ever didn't take a lot of time doing it back during this time?  Yeah, I love the way he don't stop rapping. Yeah, seemed like he ain't going to never stop. But when he started going, it just it would keep going, keep going. I could hear him just you didn't it wasn't going to be no stop. Like it almost wasn't going to be no chorus or none of that stuff. No, you know what I'm saying? You noticed that, right? Yeah. And I love that because it made it feel like the momentum was just not letting down. Yeah. His style, man, his style is like one one thing I really like about his style.  You know what I'm saying? I really can't think of a line right now. But I always remember laughing at a lot of his songs. You know what I'm saying? Really? You know, he always he got a good way of talking to gangster. But then he'll make it sound funny. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So did you guys unique like that? You OK? So after that, you basically you stay down there, how long? I think it was like three or four days, something like that. Three or four days. Yeah, it went a long time. It didn't take long getting it done. No. Yeah. So I think the most thing when I look at Webby and Boosie, like I said, they both dope. For as patriotic when you when you think about artists today, I heard one guy say that Boosie, he don't think Boosie can rap no more. Meaning he couldn't do another album. What do you think about it? Then somebody said Boosie is not Boosie Webby. Well, if somebody said Boosie, they think Boosie better than PMC. That's because they're young. I'll give them that when they young, they don't know no better. Am I right? Yeah, because they never they never dissected PMC. They wasn't there when Tell Me Something Good came out. They wasn't there when when Parker Fullstone's come out. Dope, it just hit the city. People had just thought New Jack City wouldn't have long been come out. Cash money went around when they were thinking about how to they they they wanted to be a part of this thing. Am I right? Yeah. So sometimes it takes it's the it's the age gaps. I feel like back in the day, you couldn't tell me that Key Sweat wasn't better than Smokey Robinson. But as I got a good example, as I got old, I'm like, man. And especially like after finding out all of the stuff that he wrote.   But you know, but I didn't I wasn't highly exposed to him as a kid. I knew keep sweating that whole everything moving forward. You know what I'm saying? That's it. That's it. As you talk about Smoky, did anybody tell you as a kid that you reminded them of him? Yeah, my best friend coming up as a kid. Every time I went over their house, she, hey, Smoky. It's like, when you said his name, I could just dawn on me because you like him and you have the eyes like he does. Yeah. Yeah. She used to call me Smoky when I was a kid. Yeah, the Williams, God bless her soul.  You had to know I had already missed with him about webby. But booze, I want to go over to him because I well, I did ask him, did he think webby could still rap rap? You know, because he'd been going through a lot lately. He had wore a girl type shirt with a meat coat. I think that was a tank top pulled up.  Yeah, it was crazy. But at the end of the day, that's a girl type shirt. Yeah, but that's my guy. He got a little daughter's and everything else.  You know what I'm saying? That's my guy. Then why would he wear something like that then? He probably just was having a good time. Might have been drinking a little bit. You know, people like to have a good time. I had an uncle named I had old cousin named Clint. He get drunk and do all kind of stuff. You never know what he might do.  Like, like people act like these guys don't get older. People act like these guys. These guys are in their thirties now, right? Forties, thirties and forties. These guys are getting older. I expect them to be people and go through things like anybody else. Only difference is theirs to get to display on the Internet. That's the only thing, man. And that's the only thing. It's like, I think fame is overrated. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like everybody they got to they got the bulls out on you, right?  But do you really know what comes with it? And they'll say, yeah, they know because, of course, you see it on on TV. But to see it and actually be in it is two totally different things to me.  Off they are not when you go to work, you at work. So once you're around your fans, you're at work. Even if you're not singing, not rapping, whatever, you're at work.   So it's yeah, you got to be careful. And some people and some people don't care. They'll know no, no autographs or no pictures or no. But I can see how some people make it bad for others because some people take it to the they'll see that celebrity with their kids and try to brush them and, you know, be disrespectful and so forth. So it makes you because I remember in Halle Berry, you remember in the past when paparazzi and whatever would always try to do that, even when she had her child with her and she tried to sue them and do all this other stuff because of that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they take it to the limit. Yeah. No, she didn't. She had checked one. Yeah, she did. She went in. Yeah. I think a lot of times they have to check them. They live that life every day at some point. They will have to check them. They will have to do something that, you know, you you just can take only so much, right?  Yeah, I think I'm more, you know, I go back in that music, man. I look at like when I look at the beats and stuff, you say you did two two songs on there and and like, did you ever do anything with Boosie? Yeah, I did some of his early stuff. Like when he first went over the trail. Yeah. A song called Head Buzzer. Yeah. The one, the one with Pimp C on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did that one. Yeah. Man, that thing was hard, boy. Made that they had another rent house in Baton Rouge. We were just hanging out there and I was working on the track. And I think Pimp was in town for like maybe a weekend or something like that. And he came over to the house and he heard the beat and he had thought about this concept. He said, yeah, we're going to be the V-12 boys. So it's supposed to be him, Boosie. And I think it was Webby, but it was supposed to be three of them. They were going to call itself the V-12 boys. Really? No, I don't think Webby was in it. I think it was just Pimp and Boosie. Just Pimp and Boosie? Yeah. Early on, it was just Pimp and Boosie. Yeah. I remember because I was watching that move. Yeah. That's why you had here at the beginning of that song, Pimp saying V-12 boys. That's like that was his introduction of the V-12 boys. Really? Yeah. He was going to do an album with Boosie called the V-12 boys. Because back then the V-12 Benzes was like real. Yeah. Yeah. Hot. He always talked about he always put them in their rounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we got the V-12 Benzes parked outside. And they had enough room to keep the girls. Yeah. Yeah. That's my boy, man. Who called the V-12 boys? V-12 boys. They were in dope, man. That dude, he had all kind of ideas, man. They would just pop out of a man and all of them just sound brilliant. Everybody say that he would have been. They would have been millionaires. Bobo included. If they would have, if he had things set up for him, if he'd have just lived another 30 days, things was going to be, you know, so much this or that. Like, were there any things playing with you and him or did y'all talk when he had came, you know, during that time? Yeah. Like when he was locked up, we were supposed to. Start the 808 boys. It was a production team with he and I. And I mean, that never really came into, well, it did. But I ended up not being a part of it. But why? Just like after he passed, it was just a lot of stuff. So the 808 boys didn't become a thing until after he had passed. Right. But it was two other producers that did it instead, because first it started as me and Pimp. And then he will bring he was bringing some other guys into the fold. And then it just as time went on, we never really just did get it together. But was it because you basically kind of stepped back as Bunby said when he was on he was on Beehive, when he said that you kind of, you know, like it wasn't fun no more. Like what did you just kind of was it because you didn't pursue it and you didn't really have the drive to keep going with it like that after Pimp passed? Yeah. Well, when it came to stuff that he he had created or ideas that he conceptualized, I just didn't feel like it was it was my right to try to claim it. You know what I'm saying? Like. I didn't want to be just like another one of those people that's grabbing at the opportunity now that he's gone, because it was some of that going on, you know what I'm saying? So I just didn't get what you what you're saying. But I also look at it from a perspective of keeping his legacy alive. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? It's a real thin line where you got to think about it, because a lot of times people look at you and say, man, they're using his name. Are they doing this for cloud or are they doing this to shine? But how much of that will look even if you were doing it to keep his legacy alive? People still going to talk. Yeah. They're not going to stop talking no matter what. Yeah. But if you don't do nothing, do you think PMC will be proud that you don't do nothing? Well, I didn't sit back and do nothing. No, but I'm saying what you got to think about what I'm saying. You know, I'm not trying. Would he be what he wants you to carry on and carry because he didn't teach you or show you these things and y'all didn't work together those times and y'all didn't put on those long hours in like I told Bobo for nothing. Yeah, yeah, he would want to see y'all out here doing what he loved doing. Yeah. Am I right? Yeah, absolutely. So I know you kept you definitely wasn't going to just not do the music. Right. But a lot of times when you see people out here cloud chasing, it can be confusing. Right. But we also know that we got to keep that PMC legacy going. So it's like we can't worry about what everybody. I don't care what them do is do it because they didn't really have a relationship with him a lot of times. Anyway, like you did. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, but like he had different relationships with people that I didn't really know about. You know what I'm saying? It's like whenever he would holler at me, he just holler at me. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't know a lot of people, you know, and he was doing a lot of things with a lot of people. So I didn't know like the ins and outs of all of, you know, all I knew was was is what he told me, you know what I'm saying? What he was going to do and what he was wanting to do. And I'm I'm pretty much like, hey, man, I'm here, you know what I'm saying? Whenever you ready to do it, I'm here. And like after he passed, man, it just, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, just wasn't the same without him, bro. Mr. Lee said that. Mr. Lee said it wasn't the same. And it didn't I didn't really have like a strong desire to I guess, like any ideas that he had made just to. I don't know, man, it's just just wasn't the same. It wasn't the same. It's like, how can you start a production company with the guy who's the main guy? But the guy is not like there anymore. It's not like I didn't feel like I couldn't do it by myself. I just wouldn't, you know, that had those ideas had him written all over it. And there was no way that I felt like I could go in and make him shine and thrive the way he was going to make him shine and thrive. Just just because of the type of person he was, you know what I'm saying? And his ideas were great, but they came out of his head. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? And it went right along with him, but with him gone. It's kind of like you ever see on when they do those horror movies or like special effects on TV, you got somebody in a suit standing up and then the body leaves a suit and the suit just. Yeah, yeah, it's not the same. It just wasn't the same. Yeah, I look at it like, like I said, when I when I look at a lot of different things that happened, even even bumby, like after that happened, did he reach out to you and y'all y'all did some more music together? And when y'all did what music was it and how was it the first time y'all came together to do that music after Pimp was gone? How tough was that? It was tough. I think I think we were both like really, really waiting to do it. I can't remember who called who first. I want to say I reached out to him first and told him I wanted wanted to start on an album. I think that's how I can't actually remember. But you started working on Trilogy. I started sending them tracks for that. And I think he's I don't we never really talked about it, but I think he was really just didn't have a desire at that particular moment in time. So I think when he started thinking about the whole Trilogy thing, he was like, OK, he's ready to get back in it. You know what I'm saying? So it kind of gave y'all a place of bridging the fact so when y'all did that was at the first project after Pimp had passed that that that Bumby had done or had he done other projects? I think did he do one after? No, that may have been the first one that he did after after Pimp. I know it's been a while. Yeah. But I mean, he's had he's had successful albums even before that, of course. But I think that might have been the first one that he did after after Pimp passed. And when when when you guys done, y'all, the Trilogy project together, it had to be different. It was totally different than working with him ever. That you had ever worked with him before with him being gone. Yeah, because see, I hadn't I didn't get the opportunity to work with him on his other albums before that. Yeah. So we hadn't worked together at that point. But. The way that Trilogy came together, man, it was just like it felt like making an album. Yeah. I'd always wanted that feeling as a producer. Yeah. How many? You did the whole thing? Huh? How many songs did you do on? Nine. All of them. No, no, no. Way more. Way more. I ended up doing like the majority of them. But I think sonically, man. To me, that's that's one of my favorite albums from him. Not not saying that because I worked because there's a lot of other producers on it, just the way that it came together. And if it kind of put me in the mind state of how not that I was there, but how Snoop and Dre worked on the chronic. Yeah, it felt like making an album. Feel good. Yeah. It was like that feeling I had always wanted as a producer. How long?  Was it the thing where y'all just sending them? You was it was it? We had a point of emailing them or sending them. Yeah, emailing was capable. You could send a stuff email back then. But like what I did, I went to Houston and stayed there for a little while. Locked in. Yeah. Yeah, locked in. And it actually got me a place out there where I could stay. And then I thought I was there a little while. I went and stayed with some with some relatives because I got a lot of people out in Houston. So during that whole time, we was working on the album. I think it took maybe I want to say about seven, eight months, something like that. It took a while. It took a while because they went out, you know, they got, you know, a lot of a lot of great features. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? A lot of great tracks from a lot of other producers like Justice League, they had some some heat on there. Who else? Oh, Biggie. Biggie had some stuff on there. Yeah, he was over here. So yeah, Biggie was having a while. Yeah, well, okay. So what do you remember on that trilogy that he said to you that something that sticks out in that moment of time? As far as like in a conversation, yeah, in a conversation or something that sticks out. I can't really think of one thing. And it was like, like after, like after we finished the album, we had like, you know, a whole album release thing at the studio. Yeah, got to see a lot of people, a lot of people that I grew up listening to, you know. So it was it was it was big. And we had the opportunity to take it to Atlanta, take it to the studio and play for a lot of lot of rappers out there. So it was it was a great time. Wow. It was a great time. I think there's a lot. I just like the fact of y'all, because to me, it seemed like healing. I'm looking at healing and just moving forward. Yeah. And because there's something in there. People don't realize and talk about it. I tell Rainwater that all the time when you be over here, like you didn't give yourself time to heal. You're trying to work and you you argue with this person, that person or going through the motions on the internet. It's really a cry out to say, I hadn't given myself time to, you know, heal. Yeah.  You know what I mean? So serious that you can you can do it through the music, but it has to be done. Not that you mentioned it. That's that's really what it all felt like. Yeah, it felt like a healing process. Yeah. You know, in a lot of regards, because we was putting out some great music, man. Yeah. That album's got some great music on it. Yeah. And just putting it all together. I mean, there was a lot of songs that really didn't even make the cut that ended up being on the epilogue, Trilogy epilogue. Really? Yeah. But the way that that album came together, man, I got to take my head soft to Bun and Red and National Red. Yeah. Because he always has a lot of a lot of great ideas when it when it comes to putting putting the album together, as far as conceptualizing the album and the floor, the album and things like that. So yeah, that's hard, man. And just to be involved in a project like that, where you got so many different people involved, wanting to wanting to make it the best project that they possibly can. That's always a good feeling as a producer, you know, because it's not always just about the music. It's about the whole floor of that album. It's about the album cover. It's about it's about the the music videos, the wording, the videos, everything, you know, the way that everything comes together. So it was it was great working with them in that regard, man. Did you go? I go back down to Atlanta when you were staying out there with him. It might have been before or after, but DLC was on here. And DLC talked about meeting Pimp C in Atlanta. When he was staying with MC Breed. And this was a time when he says that Tupac was right. This is early on. Got to be early on Tupac's deals around. And he made mention like they was all in the same setting. Was there ever a time that you knew that he linked with Breed or any of those guys down there or you and he were just isolated to where you guys were living and how long did you stay in Atlanta with him? About two and a half, two and a half years. No, no, no, like months or months on projects. It was like like a whole summer. OK. Yeah, it was like a whole summer. What year was that? Man, we got him thinking now. Boy, I wouldn't be able to think of that. That's why I'm glad I'm over here.  I want to say, let's see, I graduated in 98.  Oh, one, oh, two. Yeah, it was it was after I graduated from college. OK, so yeah, Park would have been a long day at this time. Yeah, early. He did like Park, though, bro. I know. I heard what what when you say he did like Park. Give me an example. Why you would even say that? You see what I'm saying? He did like Park. He did like, OK, how do you know he like Park? Bro, he spent this he spent this hook that he made up to me one day. OK. And I don't think he ever made the song. I hope I don't get copyrighted, but I'm going to say the hook. And I really don't know who he was talking to on this song. But when I heard the hook, it I just may just have me rolling, man. I was he was talking about Park. Well, he was he was talking about somebody else telling them they ain't Park.   You ain't Park, who not you?  Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park, Park. That's it, boy, you throw, man. He was in the thing.  You somebody else did an act like Park. Yeah, yeah. And he was trying to let him know that you was not Park. That was that was about two times when you was down there. Yeah, we were riding together one day, man. When he started spinning that hook to me, I just busted out laughing. I got an idea who you was talking about, but I ain't. No, you ain't got to see it, man. It was a couple of dudes trying to be Park at this time, and I know it. Yeah, you know that. But but I mean, people get inspired, man. It's people that start trying to sound like PMC after you pass away. Yeah, you know, this is inspiration, bro. Yeah, they try hard, like, but you get it. They want to want that person back, you know, yeah, and it's almost like, man, you trying to sound like Park, you know.  Oh, go ahead. I think a lot of people they do it and don't realize they doing it. OK, do you think what's the name sounded like? Biggie, when he came out, shine. Tell me, not shine, more so than Gorilla Gorilla, more so him. Shine kind of gave me his own little vibe. I didn't really catch Biggie from him, but I did.  Yeah. Is there anybody who came out that reminded you of Pempsie? No, not really. Not really. I can't I can't think about it. I think that's why I think that's why he's so missed, because there's nobody out there that really reminds you of him. You know, all you got is the stories and the music that he recorded or even try to emulate him. You could try, but it is not going to be the same because of the way to me. And it's from a fan perspective. Just the way he left it all on the track. He ain't played no game when he was he wasn't no field to know none of that and nobody will be able to do that unless they coming from their heart with it. Yeah. And it was really like a pop because pop do the same thing like when you listen to him, hit him up or any of that stuff he was doing. He was trying to let he was like you in a car and the gas is punched all the way to the floor. Yeah. And I think that's that's probably why Pemps liked him so much, because he was full throttle all the way. That's what that's how he was.  The dope artist, man, just very, very dope. So yeah, so you you you would have came later on. So you wouldn't know about the time. But I just know too short, it said that he didn't know if he had met him either. But then when he came on, he kind of alluded to the fact that they were kind of all in the same settings or he seen him down there during that time. And it's just it's always and I didn't ask him a direct question about it when it when he was here. If I thought about it, I would have. But after I went back, you know, how you said back, looking at like, dang, I missed that. Yeah. Yeah. Now, but he got around, though, man. He, you know, he made his rounds. What was going on Atlanta at this time in the two months? Give me some. Give me some. Give me who else was a good tomorrow coming over, popping up with Gip. I shall want to interview Gip. I'm looking to interview him. We're going to Atlanta in a couple of days. I can't recall any of them coming to the. They didn't ever come by. It was pretty quiet around. He didn't know what around. Just focused on his beats. I think I think when I first got there, I think Russell was there for maybe maybe a week or two. OK. The on the big time records. OK. I didn't know why I didn't I didn't ask. But Bunn Bunn came there periodically. So Bunn showed up. Yeah. Yeah. Bunn and Queenie. Yeah. It was it was me. Cat named Young Smitty. They call it Smitty the Pimp. That's actually how I kind of got to meet all of them was because of Smitty, but that's that's a whole other story. Think Big Munn was there when his bodyguards. And DJ Bird, we were all at we were all at the house together. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, it was just like, I don't know. It was just like staying at a house with a bunch of friends, really. Yeah. You know. And but Pimp had, you know, he was he had his wife there and his and his kid and we were all in the house together. You know, like he let all of these people stay with him and his family. We were all around his family. Because everybody was family to him. Yeah. Every, you know, everybody was family. So that's kind of it basically felt like just a family. Yeah. Is what it felt like. That's hard, man. Yeah. And that's that's a but that was him, though, even when you went around Mama West or went around her house, you know what I'm saying? It just all felt like family. You know, this was all familiar. How was you and Mama West? Did you get to talk to her any time? And did you get to know her? Yeah, I didn't get to know her like in and out. But we did talk. I had been around a lot like up when they had went on tour because I went on a tour with them. They was tuned with two short. I think cash money was on a couple of dates. But anyway, we had I went with them on a tour like down at the Chitlin circuit area. You know what I'm saying? I think we hit Alabama, Mississippi, all those southern states. So she was down tour with us. So, you know, I got to be around a lot. Talked to her. Yeah, she was real sweet, man. Well, I hear so many good things about her. She's almost like one of the guys, man. Really? She's checking in, tapping into everything that's going on. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's hard. I like it. Did you ever talk with them when PMC was locked up or anything? Yeah, we communicated a little bit while they were locked up. Yeah, that was the one thing when I interviewed Julia Beverly, when she was on here, she talked about going to visit PMC in prison. Yeah. Before she was a lot of controversy about this book, I didn't hear none of this stuff until after she left about the book. Some people like what you going to get that? Some people felt like it was not in the book. Some people feel like they was portrayed wrong in the book. How did you did you ever read the book? I started it. I just hadn't finished it yet. It's been a while. How long you had it? I ain't going to lie, bro. I ain't going to lie. I pick it up. I read it and I get into it. It's my attention span, man. Yeah, yeah. And then I've been trying to read a lot more, you know what I'm saying? But I just always fall asleep when I read it. Me too. Sometimes. So. But no, I've been I've been meaning to finish it, but she personally gave me a copy of it. She did. Yeah. Yeah, she personally gave me. So she knew you. So you're in that book. I heard I was. You haven't. He hasn't gotten to that page yet. I haven't gotten to that page yet, to be honest with you. But she came down here. We talked. She interviewed me. Really? What did you think about it when you when you were dealing with her? She seemed cool to me.  I mean, one time when I went to Atlanta, you know, whenever I'd be out in Atlanta, I'd holler at her, see how she doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we hung out at a Christmas tree light one time. So really? Yeah, she good people, man. Good people. I'm concerned. Yeah, I like to I never I met her that one day when she flew in and just kudos to her for even flying in and just coming straight here to do the video, to do the interview and then leave. And like she had just come from another country when she came here. Yeah. But when she came, she told the stories of, you know, someone was foggy because it's been a while, you know, but she's proud about getting the heart back copy for the book now. She do have extra footage that she hadn't showed anyone that. Really? Yeah. To where she maybe at some point or documentary or movie comes out. We look forward to having her. How? Who could play Pimpsie in a movie, man?  You know, one of them. Yeah, that would be hard. Yeah. How could you see? And it's hard to do. We got Bun here. Bun definitely could, you know, speak his peace on it and could that would be hard. Like you see BMF doing for their son, that would be so hard for that family to do something like that. But I like, I say one of his sons because like I see a lot of his manurisms in his son. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Both of them. Both of them. Even when Chad Junior was a lot smaller, you know what I'm saying? He just like his daddy. I hadn't really seen him since he grew up. I saw him after the funeral. Yeah. But I really hadn't seen him since then. It was a lot of people. Listen, you said that funeral and I definitely don't want to bring up too much about it. Nothing to look correct. I got some phone calls about that. That interview did millions of views, to be honest with you. Which one? About Pimkin and Pimpsie. Okay. They decided to speak on the funeral and they was like Pimpsie didn't look like himself at the funeral because I guess his body had stayed out so long. But when you think about it, I did get some calls from the funeral home. They called me. From the funeral home. I'm not playing. They watched Boss Talk, bro. That's crazy. Damn. Yeah. You're reaching somebody. They watched Boss Talk cause of Pimpsie, bro. Yeah. In Port Arthur. Yeah. I got a call from one of the guys and he was telling me about how, why it was like it was from his point of view. Really? Yeah. And he didn't do it. Didn't call me to get on Boss Talk. He called me specifically to give me information about that.  They usually, that's the one thing they don't normally do.  I bet you didn't know that, did you? You didn't know it? No. And this was a white guy. I didn't, I just know me and him talked and he called me. That's how powerful this stuff is. That's crazy, right? Yeah, it is. It is.  But he said they did the best job they could. He remember the day he detailed everything for me and everything. So, but the only part, I guess I need to really understand is it different working on black dead bodies? I am not. My cousin is definitely a owner of a funeral home and I can get that info for you. But I never thought about it till that day when he told me that. My wife was sitting there when he called me. I never thought about that. When you, when I thought about that, how was that funeral from your perspective? Sad? Oh yeah, it was, it was sad. Definitely sad. No doubt. It was, it was different though. But I had been to a lot of funerals in my day and just the, the whole thing I'll never forget is the snipers on the roof. What? Yeah, they had snipers on the roof. They had helicopters flying around. It was crazy, man. Snipers on the roof. Why I don't know, man? Why? I have no idea. I guess, I guess so many different people from so many different areas was, was coming. I thought something might happen. That's, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming that's why. Cause I mean, you know, pretty much everybody who you think PMC would have known was there. But if everybody's coming together in love, why would they think something like that? Unless there was like some foul play that they think that, you know. Was it the county requesting it though? They could feel like it was just too much for that small, cause it was an important author, right? Right. So they might've felt like it was just too much. I mean, at the time when it was happening, that's, that's what I was thinking. Like they, they had a reason or they felt like something could have jumped off. How many people turned up at a funeral? They didn't just count them, but. No, if you had to guess. Man, I don't want to guess wrong. I would. 20,000? It wasn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say 20,000. That would be a lot. It was three to 5,000, 3,000. It was at least five. I would say at least 5,000. Okay. Wow. So it was a while back, but I mean, there's a lot of people that couldn't get in too. Of course. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, that's the only thing that really just like stood out to me that I thought was different. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay. But other than that, I didn't see anything really out of the ordinary. Same old, same old thing when it come down to losing the loved one, really. Yes.  Yeah. So yeah, it was sad. I'm pretty sure. It was a sad occasion, man. Them kids, that's the biggest part is the kids. Kids is way more, it's way more of a situation for the kids than anything else for me. I could imagine, man. That's meaning to think about the kids and them not having their father. That's the part that, and they being so young, I think his daughter was the youngest one at the time. And that would be the biggest drawback. You know what I mean? Yeah. Definitely would be the biggest drawback.  What do you think Pimp would be fitting in this whole thing right now? Cause this would be crazy. I remember his last radio interview that I seen that caused noise. He, I don't know, man. He'd probably be at 900,000 subscribers right now. If nothing more than that, Jack. Right, right, right. If nothing more than that, nah, he would have been off the chain, man. He would have been off the chain. And I hear that question a lot, a lot of people on the internet ask that question. Really? You know, say like on Twitter, you know, if Pimp C was on Twitter, what would he, you know, yeah, I see that a lot. You see that a lot?  Yeah, yeah. I think people love that. Yeah. About just wanting to hear the real deal instead of all his fakeness. Yeah. When he did Quit Hating the South and all that other stuff, what did you think? No, I understood exactly what he was talking about. Explain. Just coming, you know, the East Coast looking down on the South Coast. Pretty much how the song say, you know, they be riding horses down here, you know. But I don't think the whole East Coast looks at us like that, but I think at that time, see, I had an experience what he experienced in the music business. You know, I understood what he was talking about, but I didn't walk his shoes. So, you know, the way he told the story was from how he walked through it. And once he told the story, then I understood, you know. Do you think that, do you think that it was a hard track? Oh my God. It was needed for me. I loved it. Cause I seen it. Oh, being an older cat, I seen the disconnect in a way that they would, they still do it somewhat today. It's not as hard. They can't get away with it because of the internet, the internet, something else.  And there ain't nothing you can do about it. But if it was a way they could make it biased, like I got in that statement, I told you earlier about 50 Cent and Lil Wayne, like that kind of stuff was, you wouldn't be able to control it as much because the internet can see it all. You can't hide it, but back in the day, you could control those narratives a little better, don't you think? Yeah. Because you didn't have the technology to keep up with it, right? Yeah.  It's getting rid of the gatekeepers. Yeah. All kind of good stuff. Yeah. You sound kind of good stuff. Yeah. It's gatekeepers, man. It's a lot of gatekeepers. Who would you like to see on Boss Talk 101? I asked him that question. He gotta really think. Well, he's, he watches cause he always tell me what's going down. Yeah. It's quite a few cats, man. It's a cat out there named Seathrough.  Seathrough, he's a rapper. Okay. Got some videos and got some albums out. He put together some type projects too, man. And he and Dallas. Yeah, he and Dallas. Seathrough. Seathrough. It's for the C-THRU. And he's very, is he from the old school or the new school? Kind of like right there in between. I would say a little bit more from the old, old school, but like not all the way back there. Kind of like old school, new school mix. But like he digs music, you know what I'm saying? He like musical stuff. You ought to get that boy Quinn Black on here, man. I thought, I mean.  I definitely would like to interview Quinn Black. I've heard some stories. I actually had a guy that said he could reach out to him. My cousin linked with him a lot of the time. Yeah. I like to see him myself. Yeah. I'm gonna try to figure that out. Yeah. He did? Yeah. Yeah. I may ask Bobo how he linked up with him. Yeah. Nah, he'll, yeah. Y'all, hey man. That one song was hard. That one song was hard. Yeah, man. You think shake them haters off was a hit. And man, that dude would just come up with hits and like, like, cause he and I, we used to like make beats together a lot. Like I, yeah. When I was living in the Grove, I used to ride to Saab Dallas, go pick him up, bring him over to the house and we work on tracks together. And just some of the ideas that he would, he would spit out to me, bro. Crazy. Or hits. Hits.  Like he's, he's just that creative, bro. Wow. He's very, very underrated, very underrated. Got another cat that he's a COD. Okay. I don't, I don't know if he has like any Instagram, but we worked together way back in the day. He's got some tight stuff. Wow. Trying to think who else, man. Oh, I get that boy B-Barba on here, man. Oh yeah? B-Barba? Yeah. That's how it, that's how it. B-Barba. I just want to shout out a few people. I know you know them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. J-Rose, we doing a lot of big things on here. You ever met J-Rose? I never met J-Rose. Yeah. Yeah. No, I hadn't met J-Rose. Yeah. Reach out to him, man. Let me ask you something. I got to, I'm gonna shift gears on you a little bit. When you look at PMC, right? He had that verse when he was on, I had interviewed Mike Jones and he said on there, you heard me right, you heard me right. We played what I know with it. And these are some of the earlier times when one would brag about drugs on the track. Okay. Now you hear, Future did it after that. Bunch of people did it, it became a thing. You start seeing, back then it wasn't like it is now. You know, it wasn't, this stuff today is killing people. Fitt and all is killing people. People who ain't even, I heard the other day and I don't know how true it is. You can go look it up. They sing, they found out that was what Coolio had. Really? Yeah, had experience. Yeah, I heard that the other day. We heard that about Gangsta Boo. Big Skull, these people. We even had kids on there who got off of it, you know, as far as the perks and all that. Is it something you, what do you think about it when you think about just exercising that, this drug thing on the track? I think it's just like anything else you put on the track. It's exposure.  I'm not now, don't get me wrong, I'm not putting the total blame on the rappers and the songs. It's just that, it's just a fact of it. Fortunately enough for people who can listen to music and not absorb it like that, are people that have other people around them to be able to tell them that you gotta have a balance. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have a balance that's gotta be looked at as entertainment. Yeah. Yeah, but I think a lot of it is just the kids just, you know, they trust what they hear in this music. A lot of them trust what they hear in this music and they think it's the cool thing to do. We wouldn't wear certain clothes when we was coming up and we wouldn't say certain things unless we thought it was cool. We didn't do it until we saw somebody else do it or we didn't say certain slang until we heard somebody else say it. Same thing. People don't really realize how it started so much so in that rock phase, it was that heavy metal and stuff. It's all over. It was really prevalent then. Yeah. And I don't recap, I couldn't understand what the hell they was saying, but I knew they was on something. Yeah. The good toys, the... I mean, look at the whole hippie movement. It was serious. It influenced that. The music and the times influenced that whole era. I mean, they were preaching drugs back then. I mean, they were making songs. A lot of the songs were subliminals, but they were about drugs. And then once you were enlighten that it was about drugs you listen to, you'd be like, oh. Oh, I get it. Yeah. I get it. Mary Jane by Marijuana. Yeah.  That's one thing. You know, I tell you something, and I don't know if it came out yet or it did. Yeah, it did. Iced tea said that it was time my Rick James had a color song first. Really? I didn't know that. He said it was trash. Really? When he did it for the movie? Yeah, did it for the movie before Iced tea. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. I like to hear what that sound like. I never heard it, but he said it was horrible. He said that wasn't his thing, but they tried to get him to do it. It was kind of like round out the outro Rick too, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. It was just kind of. Just glad.  Yeah, yeah, because he killed it. He killed it. Oh, man. Cold blooded. Man. I listened to a lot of his old music still, man. I listened to it and just, I listened at the instruments and the way his drums. Don't do, don't do, don't do, don't, don't, don't, don't. No, no, no, no. I'm like, boy, it was killing it, wasn't it? That's funky, man. It was hard. It just got its own just rhythm. You know what I'm saying? I met all them guys as band players in Vegas one time. They took the whole, at the Palm, they just took a whole floor and there was nothing but bands in every room on that floor.  That's crazy. Man. You like to be in there? It was old, you know, like the old, like all of the old, the old music. When that new was just all the older, like the Rick James and all that. Yeah. March day, you know, different people, you know what I mean? That was hard. I know you love that. Yeah. Because you were a music guy. That was another band that was kind of cut too short, the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I personally, after time has gone on, I personally feel like Prince poured the water on that cause it was getting way too hot. You know he was, you know he was, man. It was getting way too hot for him. After I go back and look at some of their shows and stuff and listen to their music. He right on there, he goes, what? He was giving, he, that was giving Prince hell, boy. Yeah, yeah. And they, I think that came out of Prince. They used to be competing like ever. Yeah. Yeah, they was competing like a dog, man. I think we, what did I forget to ask him? Did I forget to ask him anything? You sure? When I leave, I'm gonna be able to be good with everything, did that just go off? Oh, it's still required. No, like I said, we just, we love, this won't be the last time you're on Boss Talk, you're one of my regular dudes. So whenever you in town, you always welcome to come on Boss Talk, I'm bringing the cameras out. If I need to come meet you somewhere now, it's getting, it's getting different now.  I wanna be able to present something next time. Yeah, I think, I think the conversation is needed. I think the culture needs to understand what happened, not only with Pimp, but with yourself, you know, and the music and just where I'm, you know, that matters. And I think people don't give it enough just. Those stories will never come out if you never tell them. Right. Those times will never be enjoyed if nobody never speaks on them. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Being with too short, how was too short when you met him? Did you see him on tour when y'all was going? Yeah. Yeah, he was cool. How was he?  The first time being around cats that I kinda looked at as celebrities, you know what I'm saying? So this is my first time being around those types of cats.  That's hard. Yeah.  Cutting up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'd love to have been in a fly on the wall. Yeah. And listen to some of those conversations and embrace some of those times, you know? Y'all, you guys are special, man, because of the times y'all shared with Pimp. Yeah. And Pimp was young when he passed away. So was, man. You know?  Well, thank you, man. But just, it made me go back and really start trying to remember a lot of stuff that I saw back then. You killed it. Because at the time, you don't see what's in front of you. You're only seeing what's there right then and there.  I never saw that. I only imagined us working in the studio together. Yeah. Couldn't have albums. Yeah. Going to the Grammys. Yeah. All kind of stuff, you know? Anything, life, feel with life. Yeah. I didn't see death at the end of that, you know what I'm saying? But it opened my eyes when it did happen. I think that's what, when you look at, Scarface said the same thing. He said, I thought me and Pimp would chat with a, you know, we would grow old together. Because that's the last, when you would hang out with that cat, the last thing on your mind would be death. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?   Did you ever meet Willi D? I met him once at the studio and we was working out on a Trilogy. It was pretty brief. Oh, you can get to talk to him? Yeah, I always respect Willi D, man. Willi D's hard, man. Willi D real hard. I like his sternness. Yeah. Like just the man, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no. The man that stands on whatever he believes and he gonna stand on it and that's hard, man. And he's another one that I can listen to and get a message out of it, but it'd be funny at the same time. I listen to a lot of his old stuff. Well, ballhead hoes. Ballhead hoes. What is it? Man, I'm trying to think of a funny line, he said. Oh, that whole song was hilarious. When he was talking about beating folk up, he beat some people up. It wasn't just a rap. They could really beat some folks up back in the day. This dude was a serious contender, you know what I'm saying? A boxing, he loved boxing. Yeah, that whole. That was a different era. What do you think? Okay, I'm gonna ask you this. I don't care if you answered or don't have the answer.  Do you think Willi D, do you think Scarface was wrong for not taking Willi D to the Grammys? I definitely would have liked to see them both there. That's for sure. That's for sure, man. But I don't, I've watched that interview and it's just kind of hard for me to kind of like really understand how it all transpired. I know, I heard Iced Tea saying one interview that they didn't know what songs they was gonna sing when they got there. Yeah, like, I'm kind of like, when I watched the interview, I kind of saw something on both sides, you know what I'm saying? Them boys and something else. Maybe because I was just in denial that they was arguing in the first place. But, you know, they handled it like, man, I'm the culture needed that to see them sit down in front of each other and be candid with each other about that situation. I wouldn't expect nothing different from Willi D than what I've seen from him in the past. He's always been straight up about whatever he's gonna say. Just the fact that they, just the fact alone that they did that kind of negates everything that, everything else that happened as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, because it wasn't no nit picking behind one's back. With no subliminal dissonance and songs, with none of that going back and forth. They sat down like two men and talked it out. Hashtag the differences. I think that's important. We had a guy on here the other day that had gotten into a little old scrap with a guy. They ended up fighting. Nobody got shot. I was like, cool with that. Yeah. You know, y'all just fought. That's neat, man. That stuff like that needs to become popular. It needs to be cool to sit down and talk. Yeah. See, now it's just cool to shoot. That's the cool thing to do. Yeah, that's the cool thing to do. Easy way out. We need to change the narrative and make it cool to talk or cool to box. Cool to box. When you go to these cities, this is my last question. How important is it to check in when you go to these cities? I ain't never got to worry about that, bro.   And I think I asked, I talked to Pimba Kenham about that. I mean, call somebody when you get there. That's cool. But checking in, what is this checking in all about? I think if you had to do business, then you want to, well, you call the ones that you came to do business with. That's a form of checking in? Well, I mean, but you doing business with them. You checking in? That ain't checking in. What is that? That's just checking in. You don't want to call a check in here. That is not a good thing. No, it's not. You're doing business. You just talk to them. Check in, what is checking in? But I've heard a statement like, if you're in the streets, if you're out there in the streets, something can happen. You know what I'm saying? So it being your best interest to be in touch with people that could either protect you from that or help you solve any problems that may arise. Yeah. Because the sharks be out there, man. Sharks definitely out there. Sharks is out there, man. So sometimes you got to do that to navigate those waters.  The sharks are definitely out there. You got to make sure. I think it depends on what level of the game that you're at and what you're doing. Somebody like me.   I'm just giving you that. I'm spending money to come out here. I ain't making nobody. I ain't making nobody. I ain't making nobody, man. Well, thank you, man, for coming on the show, man. I could even get a hold of you. They trying to link with you. Yeah, I'm going to see below Instagram. That's pretty much the only social media I got. Well, I got a Facebook, but it's, you know, most of the family stuff. Yeah, no TikTok is on there playing. Nah, I ain't even having to. Shout out to Mac, who'll be on that Instagram, and he be doing his little old thing, man. Mac Phelps. Okay. You know, Mac, no limit, Mac, when I did 21 years. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can get back into it. I never met him, but I know you're talking about it. Yeah, I interviewed him. Always, I try to look out. I try to shout people out every now and then. Yeah. Yeah, because they show the show love, you know? Man, check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. We love you, bro. Love y'all too.  And we out.