With action and suspense out of the Old West comes the most famous hero of them all, Hopalong Cassidy, starring William Boyd. The ring of the silver spurs harrows the most amazing man ever to ride the prairies of the early West, Hopalong Cassidy. The same hoppy you cheer in motion pictures, and the same California you've laughed at a million times. Raw courage and quick shooting have built a legend around this famous hero. Hopalong is a name to be feared, respected and admired. For this great cowboy rides the trails of adventure and excitement. William Boyd as Hopalong Cassidy and Andy Clyde as California. Well Hoppy, what about our story? This one we call the Frightened Town. It was a day of heat, it was hot as an oven. In the town of Bledsoe there was no movement out in the open. Even the door to the saloon hung limply, sagging on its hinges. There was hatred here and violence in the making. Embedded in the brains of men who faced one another from opposite ends of the dusty street. There were dozens of them, rivals in a range war.  And I say you have to think of me and the baby. I'm a doctor. Down the street there's a man who's been hurt. I'm obliged to go here. But you'll never get there.  I'm a doctor. I'm obliged to go. Even though it means making a widow out of me. Saxon might not have meant what he said. Saxon always means what he says.  Just the same. Morning, doc. Hello, Cassidy.  Or maybe I should say good afternoon. I slept so late I got no idea what time it is. We rode practically all night to get here. California and I, uh... Say, am I interrupting something between you two? No, Cassidy. I have a call to make. That's all. I'm going to make it now. Oh, John, wait! There is something wrong, isn't there? There's something wrong with the whole town. Yes, there's a lot wrong. The town has split apart. Stuart Saxon and his riders are holding one end and the Lane Brothers and their men are holding the other. Now, how did that ever come about? Both outfits rode in about two hours ago. That means they've finally decided to fight it out. It means more than that. It means my husband is going to lose his life just because he insists on going over to Clement's barn. I have to go, Cassidy. Ralph Lane is over there with a bullet in his chest. No reason why you shouldn't go, is there? There's every reason. Stuart Saxon was here when John got the message. He promised John he'd be shot if he sets foot in the street. So lest we've talked enough, Ralph Lane could die just because of delay. I'm going right now. Wait a second, doc. Wait, Stu Saxon hates the Lane. He's likely to carry out that threat if you walk right down the middle of the street. I've got to get to that barn. There's a more sensible way of going about it. We can climb over the side of this porch and slip through Bradshaw's door. Then we'd only have a short dash across the street. You mean you'll go with my husband, Mr. Cassidy? You'll help him? Well, Ralph Lane is sort of a friend of mine. Maybe I'd be helping him a little too. Come on, doc. This thing seems a little funny to me, doc. Those two outfits never seem to want to show down before. I wonder what got into them all of a sudden. Festering sawers have to come to a head sooner or later. Here, doc, through the door. Well, if it ain't hop along Cassidy and he comes sneaking in my side door... Well, let down be that's the only safe way to go moving around this town right now, Marty. That's right. That sure is right. Still lifting those heavy sacks, Marty, huh? I warned you about that.  I can lift a pony without hurting myself. Well, what can I do for you, gents? Nothing right now, Marty. We're just passing through to Clemens Barn. You mean you're gonna try crossing that street? That's it. Well, it's your next, I guess. Range Wars. Why don't they fight them out in the grass somewhere? Look what it does to me. I get in the first shipment of flour I've had in months. And there ain't been a soul in here to buy any. Everybody's scared. Except them sweat-lathered galutes that think they have to shoot something out. All set, doc. All set, Cassidy. What's the plan? We'll make a run for it, but not together. I'll go first to that corner by the barber shop. I'll cover you from there. But don't start till I signal. It ought to be one of us sitting in this bar butchere.  Make it look, uh, natural. Never mind that. Keep watching. Ralph Lane is hurt, and I intend to see that he stays that way. If that doctor shows himself, I want him gunned down. Mr. Saxon. What is it? Man, fixing to come across. It's Cassidy, bar 20. Let him come. I don't care about anybody but that doctor. You men wait for him, and then don't miss. Now back to Hop along Cassidy and our story, The Frightened Town. Hop, he crouches a moment along the side wall of the barber shop, his breath a little hurried from his dash across the street. He looks up and down, is about to lift his arm in a signal to the doctor, when a voice reaches out to him from halfway down the alley. What do you think you're doing? California. What you come from? I've been kicking around, and I know something that maybe you ought to know. Yeah? What's that? This is a mad dog's town, and you've got no business sashaying across the street like that. I've got a job to do, and I'd better be taking care of it. Now hold it, Hoppy. Well, now what? Before you do anything, maybe you ought to know that Stu Saxon's in this here barber shop, with three of his gunslingers. California? There are times when you're a right-handy fella to have around. Yeah, yeah. What's your plan now, Hoppy? Well, my hair isn't too long, but I could use a haircut. So I think I'll step inside and see if I can get one. Oh, Hoppy, Hoppy, wait! All right, Cassidy, what do you want? Well, if it isn't Doad Wintrum. Who are your friends, Doad? Stranges around here, aren't they? You've heard of them, Cassidy. Jeff Ennis, Maveline Kansas, and Reb Maxwell from Texas. Sure, I've heard of them. And I don't figure Stu Saxon hired them to punch cattle. Where is Saxon, by the way? He was here, but he left. Why? Nothing important. Where's the barber? He left, too. Doad. The doc? Yeah, I think he's going to make a run for it. We got our orders. What kind of orders, Doad? Stay out of this, Cassidy. I wouldn't want anything to happen to Doc Morgan now or at any other time. Like I said, we got our orders. I'd say it was too hot to worry about orders. We are working for Stu Saxon, Cassidy.  I'm staying, Doad. I got a personal interest in Doc Morgan's welfare. Doc, Doad, he's going to start. Let Ennis take him with his rifle. I'll watch Cassidy. I'm warning you, Doad. Don't try to stop us. Why you... Watch it, Maxwell. I ain't making no more. Puffy, yeah. I'm all right, California. Yeah, yeah, you're all right. But winter meets are good and that other fella... What about the doc? He came running across the street and ducked over to Clemens Barn. Why was this all about him? They were going to kill him. He's all right, Mrs. Morgan. Oh, John, they shot him, didn't they? Your husband's all right, Mrs. Morgan. And where is he? He's over at Clemens Barn, ma'am. I've seen him go there. Oh, I want to go to him. I never should have let him come along. But I get so afraid. We can go to him, Mrs. Morgan. I get so afraid. Why can't these men do their fighting away from town? Away from our homes and children. That's a good question, Mrs. Morgan. Maybe we should ask them. Let's go over to Clemens Barn and see what Leif Lane has to say about it.  And hop along Cassidy. Well, let him in. My husband here, Mr. Lane. Is he all right? He's here, ma'am, and he's all right. He's working on my brother. What was that shooting a while ago? Some men tried to kill my husband. Hop along Cassidy stopped him. And I'll bet he did it permanent. Glad to have you around, Hoppy. Leif, how's your brother? Better ask the doctor. That's a bad wound. But he's going to be all right. I'm relieved to see you still alive, Cassidy. And I heard those shots. What kind of a play was it, Hoppy?  I'd rather talk about something else. Such as what? You like this town, don't you? Sure, I like it. Why? And why didn't you arrange to fight Saxon's outfit somewhere else? Why didn't I hold now? Hold on, Hoppy. You talk as if I planned this kid together. Tuesday happens to be my regular day to come to town. Do you always bring 20 riders with you? If my men want to come, they come. It's up to them. But if you think I want them to get shot up, you're crazy. Why, Ralph and I need every hand we have to drive beef to Abilene. If we don't make that drive in a few weeks, Ralph and I are going broke. Then leave town right now. Get your outfit out of here. You know I can't do that, Hoppy. I'd be called Yeller from here to Rio Grande. Anyway, I'm here to buy food. Why, Marty Bradshaw's got a new shipment of flour. It's the first we had in weeks. We need bacon and coffee. Why, my boys have been eating beef even for breakfast. Would you agree to a truce, Leif? Truce? Sure. I'd agree to a truce if Saxon would. Those don't sound like the makings of a truce to me. It's Marty Bradshaw, boss. Yeah, yeah, it's Marty Bradshaw, and I've got trouble for you, Leif. You can't bring me any more trouble than I already have. That's where you're wrong, because it's up to you to decide what's going to happen to this town. What are you talking about? I've got a message for you. Fella just came into the store with it. It's two Saxons sore about hop along Cassidy, gunning down two of his men. He says you've got to turn Cassidy over to him inside of an hour. It'll be 45 minutes from now. And if I don't, then Saxon says he's going to set fire to the whole Galdurn town. Now back to hop along Cassidy and our story, The Frightened Town. A message has just been delivered to the camp of Leif Lane and his riders. A demand that Hoppy be turned over to Stu Saxon to answer for the shooting of two of Saxon's gunmen. You can't do it, Mr. Lane. It would be downright murder. I have no intention of doing it, Mrs. Morgan. Hop along Cassidy stays right here. Ah, wait a minute. Let's talk this over sensibly. How can you be sensible with a mad dog? That's just the point. Stu Saxon is all riled up. You cross him on this, he might do like he says. Set fire to the town.  I'm not turning you over. But I know what I am going to do. Chuck, get the boys all together in a bunch. Mind telling me your plan, Leif? Well, Saxon said he'd wait an hour. Well, he's going to get something inside of an hour. I'm taking my boys up the street, right at him. You'd be wiped out. Just the same. Just the same? Why don't you listen to me? Well, the weedlanker than not Saxon has to have his way. Oh, now listen, Hoppy. And he's going to have his way. He's going to see me. But I'm not going to be delivered to him. I'm going in under my own power and in my own way. Hoppy, you can't do it. I don't aim to let you do it. Well, Hoppy's got a plan, Leif. Sure I've got a plan. I want a chance to talk to Stu Saxon. I'm not going to let you do it. Quiet down, you old coyote. What I do with my own time is my own affair. Right now I'm paying a visit on Stu Saxon. Where's he staked out, Marty? Am at Saloon. Fine. I'm thirsty. This will give me a chance to get a glass of char spirella. I'm coming with you, Hoppy. Let's get going, then, California. Hoppy, what is it, California? I don't think you're playing it smart, walking along here this way. Why not? Saxon said he wanted to see me and I'm obliging him. Well, maybe, but I think I saw him. California, I see what you mean. It seems to me that delivering myself into the presence of Stu Saxon isn't going to be as simple as he made it sound. I'm going to talk here and I can't hear myself think. Where's Maxwell? I hear you, Saxon. There's something about you I can't quite figure out. Yeah? What's that? You let Cassidy plant slugs in both Winterham and Jeff Ennis. You don't do anything about it. Saxon, it's like I told you before. I wasn't wearing a pistol, and I stood three jumps from my sharps.  I've been faving a sore leg. That's why I've been leaving off my gun belt. Ah, see, you got it on now. That's right. And the next time Cassidy and me come together, it'll be different. Why make anything different? Cassidy! Why not keep everything calm and peaceful? I'm wearing a gun too, Maxwell. I'm wearing two guns. But I won't grab for them if everybody will stay relaxed. How did you get in here? I heard you wanted to see me. So I came up an alley and over a fence. Then I climbed in a window. California? Climbing back at your company. That's what I wanted to know. Maxwell? Yeah? You just said that the next time you and Cassidy come together, it'll be different. That's right. I did. This looks like the time. That's right. It does. And now you're wearing a pistol. That's right. I am. We're waiting, Maxwell. All right, Cassidy. Make your play. I came here for talking, not gunfighting. Make your play, Cassidy. Don't be foolish, Maxwell. There's no need for us to kill one another. All right. If you won't take your chance, I'll take mine. No!  You push a lot of power, Saxon. Not the force of man to go to his death. Webber, Barney! I got guns in my hands and I'm going to keep them there. You don't think you're going to get out of here alive, do you, Cassidy? I said I came here to talk. I still feel the same way. All right. Talk. You had no call to force the lanes into a fight. They haven't been crowding you. Me? Me, force them into a fight? You don't know what you're talking about. They set up this showdown. They came into town to get food. That's the only reason. And read this note I got from Leif Lane. They got California. Sure, sure, but I ain't so good at the cycle. You do all right. What does it say? Let's see. Stu Saxon, I dare you to bring your outfit into town for showdown. I'll be there with my boys on Tuesday. Leif Lane. That's right. He'd come to me sealed up as fancy as a valentine. Now, what do you say to that, Cassidy? I can't believe it. Leif Lane said he wanted no part of a fight.  And there's the proof in black and white. Suppose someone else wrote this letter. Someone who wanted you on the lanes to have a showdown. Why would anyone want to do that? I don't know. I'm going to try to find out. Would you make a bargain with me? I'm not bargaining with anybody. Let me make a point, Saxon. It'd be all wrong to force a big fight in this town. There are too many women and children here. That can't be helped. It can be helped by calling off the fight. That's impossible. Suppose Leif Lane didn't write this note. Would you be willing to call it off then? What for? Running to some kind of a trick? Lane has never pulled a trick in their lives and you know it. I'm not making any bargains. All right. Now, what's the idea of putting away your guns? I'm putting them away to give Saxon the same break Max was willing to give me.  You're crazy. I'm waiting, Saxon. I'll say it again, Saxon. I'm waiting. I don't stand a chance with you. Every man here knows that. Then bargain with me. All right. What's your play? I'll take this letter to Leif Lane. If he gives his word that he didn't write it, you're to call off the fight. All right. I agree. You hear them two shots from up the street? Yeah, I hear them. I'll give odds that was hop along Cassidy getting a dose of lead poisoning. Maybe. Two shots. One for Cassidy and one for his pal. I don't know.  Cassidy has my promise not to do anything till he gets back. You heard them shots. Cassidy ain't coming back. First it's your brother and now it's Cassidy and his pal. Now that Saxon hombre is chipping us off one by one just because we stayed hold up in here and don't do nothing about it. Now take it easy, Chuck. We've been taking it easy for almost half a day. You've got us all with you, boss. Let's move in and take that Saxon outfit apart. I promise, Cassidy, I'd wait for him. You heard them shots. What more do you have to know? Give us the word. That's all I'm asking. Well, let me take a look outside. Come on. If you think you're gonna see Cassidy again, you're wrong.  Cassidy is dead. It's either the town or us. Take a look up that street. You don't see him there, do you? No, I don't see him, but I... Oh, Chuck, I'm here. Curly, Ben, give me a hand. What happened? Hey, get laid. Let's get him inside. Come on, swing that door, Curly. Where's the dock? I'm right here, Chuck. Put him down on that pile of hay. Hold him easy, Ben. Easy. Oh, John, he's badly hurt.   Me and the boys, we've got another job on tap. We're gonna tie into Saxon and his gang. No. No, that's just what Mr. Cassidy didn't want. Begging you pardon, ma'am. I'm boss now, and I say we fight him. They've hurt Ralph and Leif Lane. They've killed Hopalong Cassidy. Oh, I wouldn't say that, Chuck. Mr. Cassidy. Oh, thank heaven. What's been going on? I heard a shot on the way over. They've plugged the boss. Plugged him bad. What about it, Doc? The bullet on it up her arm. Went into his chest. Wasn't similar to his brother's. Can he talk? Not now, Cassidy. He's unconscious. Hoppy, me and the boys are going after Saxon. I was thinking you might want to join us. Leif wouldn't want you to go after Saxon. Leif ain't gonna hold anybody to that now, Hoppy. After Saxon, gun them down. Brad Shaw's right. We're calling for a showdown. What was Leif doing when he was shot? Standing outside with me, looking up the street toward Emmett Saloon. And it doesn't look as though Saxon's outfit did it. What do you mean? The doc said the bullet went through Leif's arm and into his chest. What are you getting at, Hoppy? Leif was shot from the side, the right side. Which means the shot couldn't have come from up the street. But it could have come from one of the stores. Maybe even yours, Marty. My store? Yeah, I guess it could. When a Saxon's boys must have taken themselves out there. Where were you when Leif was shot? In here. I've been here ever since you left. Why? What, Mrs. Morgan? Nothing, I... I just thought Marty left for a few minutes. Oh, no, Mrs. Morgan. This barn is so dark you just didn't see me over at the other end. Mind if I have a look at the inside of your store, Marty? I'd be glad to have you take a look at it. Come on. What do you expect to find in my store, Cassidy? Well, if the Lane Brothers were shot from one of your windows, there might just be a rifle lying around that did the job. I sure would like to get this cleared up. It isn't helping my business. This feud has to be stopped quickly before more people have led in them. After you, Cassidy. Hey, what is this? Don't try to pull away, Cassidy. Or I'll break your arm. And I've got the power to do what you ought to know that.  What do you expect to gain with this, Bradshaw? Time to get away. Let him pound out there. This place was built to keep people out when I didn't want them in. And right now it's locked up from cellar to roof. You'll never get away, Marty. Won't I? Tie you up with some of this rope, set this place a fire, and I'll have all the excitement I need. All I need to cover me. You're a strong man, Marty, but right now you're taking on too much work. You still feel powerful, Marty? What? Yeah, come on in, boys. Marty Bradshaw's holding open house. Back to Hop along, Cassidy. Hello, Cassidy. How's Leif doing, Doc? Oh, he's conscious now. Here, I'm looking around again, Hoppy. Thanks to the doc. What's doing? I just talked with Stu Saxon. He's taking his boys out of town. And it might be that if you got together with him sometime, the pair you could patch up your argument. You done a great job, Hoppy. Now, there's something I wish I could figure out. What's that, Chuck? Why Marty Bradshaw would want to start a fight. Well, I still don't know how right I am, but I've had the feeling that if things went wrong with Elaine Ranch, Marty Bradshaw stood the profit by it. I sure he did. Marty's been holding a short-term note of ours. That's why he's been so worried about getting that beef to Marty. Oh, so that was it. Marty figured that by prodding us into a showdown with Saxon, he could mess up everything and make the ranch go broke. Yeah, yeah, but how'd you happen to know it was Marty Bradshaw, Hoppy? Well, California was that note he sent the Stu Saxon all sealed up fancy like. You know what it was sealed with? I'll be dog-combed. You don't mean... That's right, flour and water. And nobody else has had any flour around here for weeks. Marty Bradshaw told us that himself. And so Hoppy brings to an end another exciting story. Hoppy is called his next story, The Killer in Black, and he warns us that it's quite a mystery. So be sure to be with us, won't you? Hoppilon Cassidy, starring William Boyd, is transcribed and produced in the West by Walter White Jr. The Frightened Town was written by Buckley Angel. All stories are based upon the characters created by Clarence E. Mulford. This is a Commodore production.


Hi, this is Kerry Kautzer. I'm here reporting at Road America for the Vintage Weekend with Brian Andrews. I'm in an XK150 Jaguar, one of the major sponsors. We're going to take you around the track with interviews and racing footage, so enjoy the program. Thank you. We're here at Tony de Lorenzo and Bob Serna racing at the Vintage Weekend here at Road America. Tony, can you talk about the car that you're racing in? Well, it's a Revent Lo Scarab. It's basically a tube chassis, aluminum bodied roadster. It's got a Chevrolet V8 in it, 300 and... 500? Some horsepower? Yeah, 500 and some horsepower, 356 cubic inches. And mechanical fuel injection. This car was built 25 years after the original three front engine cars were built by Lance Revent Lo's brother. Bob and I are college buddies and I wasted my life driving race cars and he was busy working so now that he's in the vintage business he asked me to drive the Scarab and it's an honor to do it and it's a beautiful car and it runs extremely fast for being having only six inch wide tires on it. So it's a lot of fun. And you've raced here at Road America before? Yeah, I raced in SCCA Nationals and... What was your first year? 1967. I ran the June Sprints. I won the June Sprints here in 1968, 1969 and came back here and ran in the Trans Am several times. We ran SCCA Nationals and FIA long distance races and Trans Am series and IMSA GT pro races and I think I did it for a living for about six years. I had a good time and being able to drive in a vintage car is like the old saying, Yogi says deja vu all over again. So it's a lot of fun. Bob, you want to talk about your car? Yeah, I'm driving a 52 Mercedes-Benz prototype race car. The factory made ten of these race cars for the 52 season. They made them from their parts bin from their sedans. The engine in this car is an original one of five in the world 52 racing engine, serial number 21. The car is a recreation of the car that John Fitch drove for the Pan American Carrera in 1952 in Mexico. I had the privilege of buying this project about one-third finished and it's essentially a faithful reproduction from blueprints, drawings and photographs of the original works race car from 1952 using an original works racing engine. It's an original Mercedes Museum by the way. And it is essentially a 1955 Galwing drivetrain which is essentially the same as the 52 racing season. All the parts are the same and it runs beautifully. It has legs. It doesn't like this short course here at Road America. It's like another 10 miles straight. It just gets moving as we come to the first turn. And it's a wonderful car to drive and it's been a lot of fun. I've gotten to know a lot of good people. John Fitch has driven it for me. He's a very bold. We took it to Goodwood. We've taken it to Monterey. And this is my first time here at Road America with this car. We've been coming since 98 with the Scarab. This is our sixth year with the Scarab. My first year here with this car. Tony, what do you think of the Road America track itself? It's one of my all-time favorites. As I said earlier, I came here in 67 and I've had a lot of good races here. Very fast. But there are some technical parts too. The carousel for one. The kink, which is very famous, coming out of there into Kettle Bottoms and into Canada Corner. But it's wide. There's a lot of places to pass. You've got to have good brakes here because you use your brakes real hard. Three times a lap. It's just a great place. The food is the best and the facilities. And for today anyway, the weather can't beat it. And we can't really beat Wisconsin hospitality. People here are just really great people. We've always had a good time. We've always been treated well in Wisconsin. And my cousin lives in two rivers. Oh, that's right, yes. And the track's too short for you. Track's too short for this car. Anything else you'd like to add gentlemen? We're having a great time and we're just happy to be here. How often do you campaign these cars at other tracks? This is the first time this year for both cars. But typically I'll race this one three or four times a year. Monterey, Coronado, maybe here. So typically I do three or four to five races a year. And we do one with a scare. We do one with a scare, but we usually do a test session first and then we run the race weekend. So twice. Nice race weekend car that they restored. Can you tell us about the car Bob, give me the history on that. Well, this particular car was built in 1967 by Red Legrand in California. It was a prototype Formula A car right when the series was developed. This car ran the whole 68 Formula Continental series driven by Bruce Eglinton. It won the first Formula A race in the United States at Las Vegas. And then in the third race, Stamposi went on to drive the car. To no great success. And it won the first race out of the box. And then that was the end of its career. It was destroyed in 1969, the testing accident. You want to tell us a little bit about the restoration work you did? Okay, the car was very severely in 1968. It went in for several times. The works driver, Bruce Eglinton was driving it. He was hurt, but he was alright. The car at that time was pretty much obsolete on the road circuit. Cars went away from the tube chassis into the monocoques. So it pretty much sat in Red Legrand's shop for several years. And it finally got traded through a couple of hands. Never got restored at all. We found the car in New York itself. And it was basically a basket case then. It still had the mud in the wheels from Riverside Race Track. We started restoration of it. Everything was pretty much broken. There was not one corner that was usable. We started straightening out all the parts to make drawings of what they looked like. And about a third of the way into the drawings, we had notified the Formula A registry that we were restoring the car. And we got a call from a guy in Venezuela. He introduced himself as the Vice President of General Motors Venezuela. It's not going to send you something you're going to appreciate. And about a week later we get this about five foot high tube in the mail and rolled it out. There's one-to-one drawings of this car. The original drawn one-to-one. No dimensions. You need to make a part. You go up to the wall and measure it and build it. We pretty much built all the parts you see here that were broken. Chassis wasn't great shape. We really had to make new uprights. Build new suspension. All made to the original drawings. We believe the car is very accurate to how it was when they first put it together. Down to the color. Down to the color. The color was in 1967. We have original construction pictures of it from Le Grand's shop. We try to follow those as accurately as we could. It's a pretty good restoration of antique history. And you were out of the track here? Yes. We had three cars here. We threw a rod, unfortunately. The motor's blown up. On the cheeto? On the cheeto over there. This one right here is going to the concourse this evening. And then the yellow Ford here. We've been running a lot. We have no problems yet. We also have your son here. What do you do on the crew? Polishing. Whatever is needed to be done. Folding transporters up. Has your dad given you the opportunity to drive the car? A few times. Nothing major yet. He's just hitching the go though. We need to get a couple more years under his belt for us at the driver's school. We're going to put him on the track probably in two more years. He still has to pay his dues on polishing. Tell us about your transition from motorcycles to race cars. Motorcycles and cars. Well, I never imagined I would be involved in cars. In fact, I'd never seen any car races. I'd been totally involved in motorcycling from a time my father took me along to the first event in England after the war. And there he was competing with a motorcycle and side car at a place called Cadwell Park. Well, I went on and I obviously started motorcycle and I did the world championship series. And in 1958 which was just after the championship had been won by Mike Hawthorne. Mike, Tony Vanderville who had created the Van Wall car and Reg Parnell who was in fact team manager of Aston Martin, the sports car team we were all sitting at the same table for a sportsman a year contest. This was held in Park Lane in London. And as conversation got round Mike was going to ride a motorcycle in the Pressman's trial on the coming weekend and I was going to do likewise. He said, you ever thought of driving a car? I said, well, no, no, no, no. I really thought about it. I just raced bikes and that's what my first love is. He said, oh, cars stand up easier. So I said, oh, well, no, no, I might say. With that, Reg Parnell turned around and said, I'll give you a drive.  I'm a motorcyclist. I'll give you a drive. So I said, no, no, no. But things developed with my team in Augusta whereby they wanted to cut me back into doing a very restricted program purely World Championship events which meant that I'd only be doing perhaps 10 races a year and I love my racing. And when I was riding for Norton's and riding privately as well I was doing something like 76 races a year. So there's a little bit of a change. So I thought about it and it coincided with Reg Parnell ringing up and saying, come down to Goodwood and try an Aston Martin. So why not? So I go off to Goodwood and I test the Aston Martin that Sterling Moss had won the 1,000 kilometers of an Nürburgring with. And this was a DBR1 Aston Martin, 3-litre sports car. And I went around and did about 10, 15 laps I think it was. And I came in and Reg said, oh, John, stop for a moment, sign here please. So I picked it up and I actually read it and said, what's this? He said it's a contract. No, no, no. I'm still a motorcyclist. I can't contract to drive a car. Well, I get home and there's a phone call. And in fact it's Tony Vanderbilt on the phone.  And he made some rather disparaging remarks about David Brown. Which I gathered they didn't get on very well. So he said, I will bring the van walls down. So David York, the team manager turned up at Goodwood next day with a truck and three van wall Grand Prix cars. Well, I thought it was interesting to look at because also of course he'd won the world championship and then retired from racing with the cars. But they were built around the design of four Manx Norton engines. Which of course I was well connected with. So I went out and I went round and round and round and he said, I'm coming out of retirement. I'm going to build you a new car. I said, no, no. But I'd done enough to think that there's nothing in my contract to stop me driving cars. So I went over to John Cooper and said I'd like to buy a motor car. I'm not going to drive for any work so I'd buy a motor car. He said buy a Formula 2. And so we agreed to buy a Formula 2 Coventry Climax engine, Cooper for a total sum complete with wheels and gear ratios of £2,350. Perhaps a little discounted but still you just see the sort of cost of things then compared with now. However standing there was a rather tall gentleman I'd never seen before who he introduced me to is Ken Till. And Ken Till said you're driving for me at the Easter meeting in my Formula Junior car I've spoken to the RAC. They're going to give you a licence if you perform satisfactorily they give you a full licence so you can do anything. I said oh yes thank you. It had all been put together of course by John Cooper between them. And so that's how in fact I got started. I saw my first ever race, a car race from the cockpit. And that day I had a bit of a dice with Jim Clark in the works lotus. In fact I would have had him except that I forgot on the last lap that I had two extra wheels. And I tried to go through a gap which was a bit too small and ended up using half a grass but he just pipped me in that. The second race I in fact used my Cooper Formula 2. Dad was chief mechanic and van driver. We put the Formula 2 on the back of the van and went off to Alton Park and competed against the works lotus teams and the works Cooper teams and came second behind in his island in the works lotus. It was off then to Aintree racecourse famous for the Grand National horse racing where there was a good road circuit. And this was an international Formula 2 race and Porsche's brought all their cars over. And they took the first three places but I was the first British car and set a record lap in fourth place. Next thing is Colin Chapman's on the phone you're going to drive Formula 1. Are you? I said yes. Okay, I'll come and try Formula 1. So I turn up at Silverstone and there's Colin Chapman. He'd been buzzing around in the car because Colin drove the cars and drove very quickly. Rather like Eulenhardt with the Mercedes cars. Colin was a good driver and in his island had been going round. He said come on, sit in here. It's a Lotus 18, Coventry Climax two and a half litre Grand Prix car. So right, jumped into it. A little different to the van wall which I'd driven before. And I went round and round and then stuffed it in the bank at Stoke Corner. I thought, oh, I didn't get that quite right. And I got back and in his island let off with such a tyrant at me about bending their equipment etc. But Colin Chapman turned round and said I want you to join the team and drive in all the races when you're not motorcycling. So I thought, well, that's not a bad idea. So that was it. I suddenly become a works driver for Lotus at the same time as I was a works driver for MV Augusta. At that time was sort of I suppose a rising person. And I'd been driving a Lola that I got from John 30s. Got it in 67 but this was 68. And Ferrari called and for Gary called. He said can you come to modern and test the formula, do I? And so I arrived and I went and I tested and at lunchtime for Gary took me on one side. He said you see over there under the trees in the raincoat. I said yes. He says this is Commendatore. I said oh well this was for pressure you know from Ferrari. So I go I try a little bit harder and it's okay. So now I'm going to race at the Nurburgring with team leader Jackie Yix in the Dino. For you. But before that you know in that weekend when I was testing at Moderna I went to have lunch in the Ferrari headquarters and I suppose there were 40 managers you know and executives there. And I think it was Andrea Cleary takes me into this glass door and there at the far end of the room is Enzo Ferrari with his lieutenants. And as I come in he stands up and he's a very imposing figure. You know he walks down to me and one side at each side of him there was for Gary and Cleary and he stops in front of me and I sort of I'm not sure what to do you know I start to put my hand out to shake hands or something and he shoots his right hand out but high up and he gets hold of my cheek here like this and he shakes it. And he says nice a boy. At this point I was extremely worried and wasn't too sure whether I wanted to drive for Ferrari at all. But anyway we get to the Nurburgring on the such life the south circuit which is still a difficult up and down through the trees circuit but it's about 6 miles instead of 14 miles on the north track. Well about 10 minutes from the end of qualifying I came in the pits because for Gary rushes up to me. Brian Brian he said why you stop why you stop I said I've gone belt as fast as I can.  I go on 10th of a second faster and I'd never been in 10th place I'd been in 4th place and so the race started and there was Jackie X and Pierce Courage and Kurt Ahrens German who was an expert on the Nurburgring and on about the 5th or 6th lap I felt a tremendous blow in my eye here and in those days we used ex World War 2 goggles you know with no strength in them at all and a stone had gone through my eye and so I thought it had hit me in the eye you know I flung my hand up flung my goggles off slowed down and came to a halt and then blinked and this eye was you know teary and sore but I could see so I drive the rest of the way around it was only just past the pits I go 5 miles going fairly slowly get in the pits for Gary leaps up and down where are your spare goggles so he throws me X's spare goggles which were sun goggles with the green lens and now I go out and I drive like a madman and set a new lap record and finish 4th but when I go back in the hotel I sat on the bed and I was not happy and at dinner that night for Gary came to me he said Brian he said I have spoken with the Signo Ferrari and for the rest of the year you would drive a formula and in September Formula Uno and I said no thank you and he said no thank you what do you mean and no thank you and I said if I drive for Ferrari I said I'll be dead by the end of the year so that was that Dave Swigler Dave you want to tell us about your car that you have here at the vintage weekend? Sure I've been glad to this car is a Sertes TS8 Formula 5000 car which was built in 1971 Team Sertes sent it over from England for Peter Rebson to drive at the Questar Grand Prix out of Riverside California then it went back to England and it was raced over there for several years. Has there been any restoration work done on it? It was semi restored when I got it I bought it from Brian Redmond back in the mid 80's and then I've upgraded it and done some of the paint work since then so it's been a gradual work of love over time. What other tracks have you camping in this car at? We've been to Road Atlanta Ohio, Watkins Glen and this is our first time up here at this track What do you think of the Road America track? I'm still trying to learn it 4 miles with 14 plus turns is unbelievable it's a great track though I wish I could spend more time up here. Alright anything you'd like to add? Well I guess the one claim to fame of this car it won the Monza Formula 5000 race in 1972 with Allen Rawlinson fastest Formula 5000 race ever run and that's probably the high point for this car in 72. John Surty's Lola T-70 David could you tell us a little bit about the car? One of two cars that John Surty's used in 1966 when he won the Can-Am Championship. It went to another racer after that it sat for a number of years I acquired the car in 1977 and have raced it in vintage events myself. It's very very fit to date by today's standards. Do you have to do any restoring to it? Yes it's been an ongoing project mechanically as well as cosmetically but it is a very active representation of the car as it was raised in 1966 You know have you yourself been here at Road America? I raced here many times starting in the late 70's in the Impsen series and I raced here actively annually until about 1988 and then from that point on it's been in vintage racing both with this car as well as several others. We had a chance to talk to John Surty's this morning for some of the things he talked about Sort of reminiscing about the car back then and what all he went through and he talked about the modifications he's made to the car after it came from the Lola factory and those modifications are still on the car today so it's quite an experience and listening to him reminisce about the car. Alright is the car going to have any track time this weekend? It has developed a severe vibration and rather than continue to push the car I think we'll just make a static display for the rest of this weekend until we can get it home and diagnose the problem Ok thank you It's nice to move up a little bit Well just before we started I interviewed you you said I'd like to be a little further up a second is a second you know it's not a first and you know it was certainly well learned on that I knew I had a chance for a second when I saw Craig throw some rubber up on one of his rear tires going down the back straight so I don't know that isn't going to last too long so There's a gentleman here to make some presentations I think you might know him his name is John Surty Mr. Surty sir. One of my favorite colors seeing yellow about actually I always used to prefer the red of our lolas but Bruce McLean and the team obviously did a wonderful job and the cars are still going on doing a wonderful job this is it and so all I can say is it's nice to hear the thunder of those eighths again and see that they're all alive and well and it's all working so congratulations well I have to get that in here well you said you know important thing is to win them now you've got that awesome engine awesome engine and awesome chassis and I think I'm ready to do no deploy them like someone can get used to this well I walk around the paddock and talk to people actually and I look at the engines that I used to use and the rest of it and then they start telling me they've got 200 horsepower more than when I used to use them that's what probably means awesome but we're still not going as fast as you guys are but congratulations thank you John sir John sir, what's happening here folks is that we're having drivers arrive as you're beginning to do these presentations and Tom, hold on we're going to talk to you next Christmas to make the presentation for your class win we found fantastic driving today on behalf of Jaguar North America and the Midwest region Jaguar retailers I'd like to say congratulations thank you very much I've been getting Jaguar the presentation of Peter Kidjack that's that handsome guy in the black and yellow do I get a hat too? you get a hat sir, not me, you didn't want that yeah just thank you well thank you very much and we're excited to be here with Jaguar Select Edition and we're very happy that you won this race thank you Peter I'd like to say closing I can't put you at the spot there didn't I very little, these prize givings gone for quite long enough as it is without me adding to it but I'd like to thank everybody for coming and to congratulate the winners on their fine performance and also of course to thank Jaguar, Aston Martin for their support of this event I think this year we've seen probably the best in the past 10 years we've had great weather a great entry and a very nice crowd thank you all very much thank you Brian Rissum thank you Jaguar, thank you John Seke and our fine driver and the gentleman who will stay up there do the hats and the photos we'll get ready for more racing and thank all of you for joining us here at Winner Circle and one was one of the most interesting winners circle I've ever done sure I've owned it about 4 years we bought it from a widow in Minneapolis her husband she met on a cruise in Greece when she was 18 he wanted to impress her parents so we bought it off a lot in Virginia drove it up to Canada and asked for her hand in marriage they were married many years they owned it 38 years and we bought it about 4 years ago it's completely original I had 58,000 miles on it when we bought it and it's still unrestored we've had it every summer ever since we took it on the vintage sports car Rondevue in Thunder Bay Ontario a couple weeks ago we usually do about 15 to 20 vintage car events over the course of the summer last weekend we did a hill climb at a ski area outside of Minneapolis where they laid out a course up the road going up the hill it's a lot of fun what makes this the Jaguar? this car had the same engine that would come out in the E type just a year and a half later and they were able to test out the engine on the S model which was a special edition of this car it's sporty it's fun it kind of typifies the Jaguar mark last question what do you think about America? I'm from Minneapolis Minnesota this is the best racetrack in the country I've been here several times and make it now an annual pilgrimage here love the area we stay in Plymouth and great towns great atmosphere and fun people alright that's our show for today Vintage weekend at Road America I'm here with Team Jaguar and bye for now