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Well Intentionally lowering the IQ of an audience may be one way of securing a loyal and faithful following of memes swallowing boot-looking Sick offense the following our programming has chosen a different path We seek to educate entertain and ultimately elevate our audience to a greater level of understanding than that of the general public Though the fact that you are tuning in to listen to a show about science may make this an easy goal for this weekend science There's only one place to go to find the knowledge I seek Science to your kirsten glare Pamela and Doug We do good science to you too Justin and everyone out there this is this weekend science and Yes, we have a full house today. We are joined by our long-time Australian science minion Pamela Sue Taylor otherwise known as Pamoramic other part around the parts and And fellow Katie Besser who is hanging out in Australia for at least the next few hours The host of radio parallax Dissolves ever and what is going on? He's got too many last names. I know too many but but in this and This in itself is an entire story because this was not a planned or just a week pre-plotted or In any way intended Connection between Katie Bess this weekend science Australia in the eclipse. It just all seemed to happen. Oh Serendipity love it. So Doug yours You are eclipse chasing I Am indeed This is this was a tip number five to see one and thankfully turned out to be successful and As you may or may not know people like myself become junkies and and devotees of this and travel the world to do it If I could this one was here in this beautiful tropical setting in that in northern Australia Made it kind of a no-brainer to try for yeah here. I am I'm getting into your car Is it kind of like I guess when the space shuttle was still was still going trying to go see a space shuttle launch You like you set your calendar you try and go you hope the weather is gonna be good and just you go for it See if you can see that solar eclipse Absolutely, they were 25,000 foreigners apparently descended upon can 25,000 Australia's came to see it 50,000 people lined up try and catch two minutes until doubt. Wow Yeah, the weather cleared and we'll talk about that a bunch later, but in the process you also Katie Vesser Radio host from Davis Sacramento area who we have spent over the last decade just about on the on the radio with and You met Pamela who has been listening to twist for a Really long time as well and has been on the show before Right and and and how so how did this before we start the show? I don't know how this happened how this because this wasn't you didn't go down there with a phone number Luddite that I am to do this trip without a smartphone No, no, I was working. I was in the internet cafe catching up with people Logging and I walked out after I don't know 45 minute session and there was a large projector set up out in the public square and chairs gathered around they were playing some oba music to accompany some video and I stopped to look and they were showing in the video things of occupied Oakland I guess it was let's try to become there's like what I didn't realize it wasn't occupied Form that there are very much is with your correspondent here playing an active role and The name Davis came up when I started saying well as I know one in Berkeley Sacramento Davis And it was like yes, and then of course the magic words this week in science were uttered by saying yes I'm sort of the Australian correspondent was like I Love that. I just love the chance meeting 50,000 people descend on Pamela's town and Planet away half a planet away and now here we all are Thanks to the the wonders of technology the internet Google plus where and cell phones smartphones. We're able to talk Which is great and so later on you're gonna tell us a bit about the actual experience of the eclipse talk a little bit about solar eclipses and that kind of stuff and We're gonna roll into our science news like we do and Pamela and Doug if you have anything to add commentary on on stories feel free to jump in Love to standing by Excellent, so today on the show. I've got some stories About a wandering planet. There's a lost explorer Wandering through the dark of our universe Additionally, maybe a little bit story about some cow pee if we have time maybe some world robot domination And I'm gonna start the show off with some physics physics Standard model is is tape is is doing some good good offense. It's a you know hitting super symmetry really hard where it comes Nice nice There may be more than just water on Mars teaser teaser more later There's a There's something in cosmetics personal care products may make you allergic to stuff and it might it's coming from a source that It's a little bit one of those things that means it could also be in your soaps it could also be in a lot of other things so we'll look out for that one and Einstein's brain A little bit of study on Einstein's brain. I you know, I don't know if it's good news or bad news for the rest of us But we'll get into Einstein's brain I've always wanted to get into Einstein's brain, so I'm looking forward to that Blair What'd you bring for the animal corner this week? I brought a story about Israeli mice sniffing bombs And glue yes And then also a short story about fairy wrens and How women or how the female fairy wrens can pick out their babies very easily I like it these stories. All right, let's jump into it is this is the show where we talk about science What happened in science this week this week in science or at physics? What happened? There was a physics Meeting the LHC all the the physicists that the LHC met in Kyoto, Japan this last week to Present their research talk about what has been going on in in their findings what they've been gleaning from the data and large head on collider researchers have I've got it's it's not exciting news really, but it's interesting news so The Higgs boson Higgs boson Everybody's been very excited about it and found it. Yes all this stuff and so There were a few hints that it might be a very exotic type of Higgs boson that maybe there are Multiple types of hit that the Higgs boson isn't just one particle, but maybe many maybe there they have into the very strange Abilities that would not come with an ordinary normal Higgs boson And if we have an exotic Higgs boson that hints at at exotic physics at alternate Hypotheses for physics and how the universe works. Well Researchers pretty much have not been able to verify that so we've got a plain old ordinary Higgs Just ordinary Higgs not fancy Is it disappointing? I mean it just goes along with what we've got everything working Boson it's One of those things though. It's it was troubling about this whole search or the discovery the search is They have a theoretical particle, you know everything it does and you've already got a name for it Then you go on you search and you find something And if it doesn't do everything that you the theoretical particle does and you still call it Higgs Well, then wait, don't you have to keep rename it? Just call it something else Yeah, well, it's it's it has to do with the theory which which physics theory You're going along with and so there's an alternative to the standard model of physics called super symmetry Otherwise known as Susie and I'd like to introduce you to Susie. There are a few different ideas about how supersymmetry might work and One of them anticipates as many as five different kinds of exotic Higgs bosons They would all be Higgs type bosons giving mass to matter But they would be exotic and do it in interesting and charming ways So the fact that they were not finding that exotic Particle that all of the searching is just finding ordinary data. It's kind of Shutting down some of these alternate theories this the idea is about supersymmetry people are starting to look at them and go Maybe that's not really gonna work. Anyway, and then along with this research There's one of the three experiments. There's the CMS experiment the atlas experiment and then a an experiment That is called LHC B, which is B stands for beauty looking for Beauty quarks, I believe is what they are the LHC be Detector looking for Little tiny tiny types of particles that how that are emitted once every billion Particle explosions, you know Like they did hardly ever show up. They found a couple of these and so The fact that they found them is Great, they that that's wonderful that they've confirmed that this particle. They're looking for the BS meson they decay into little particles known as muons and It's first time it's been observed which is great So it confirms that these particles are there and that we're on the right track But we're not detecting them enough in the LHC B to support supersymmetry so we're finding them but only at a Rate that supports the standard model not again this super one of the alternate supersymmetry models So again, there's another both theories are slightly failing at the moment Yes Awesome, it's actually you know, it's actually what all physicists were secretly hoping for well The standard model is actually that both three so supersymmetry is there's we're putting more nails in the coffin for supersymmetry as we move forward with the LHC but the the standard model is It's it's doing pretty well I mean all the stuff that is predicted by the standard model that LHC is finding I mean, this is what's going on right now The thing with the Higgs though is that it has to permeate throughout all space I mean, it's a part of one of the characteristics why it was developed is it's this Interference field. It's this everywhere in the universe. That's the field. That's not the Particles right, but they're looking for the bows on particle because that's what makes up the field It's the part of the little it's the inner workings of the field itself that is supposed to be have these little frequency vibrations that disrupt the strong and weak nuclear force from Being able to reach over any great distance It's sort of a dampener on we can strong weak nuclear forces and it's supposed to be omnipresent So I don't know I have I have trouble with any particle or vibration that's supposed to be uniform throughout the universe and evenly dispersed enough so that matter and gravity and things sort of interact the same everywhere and the fact that it's So difficult to suss it out in all the areas where they thought it could be and how they found something But they haven't really figured out the properties yet. The amazing thing is the amazing thing is All of these lead to bigger and greater and more wonderful questions that physicists will get to tackle next Without the project we wouldn't have these questions to come up with next. Oh, yeah, no I mean, I think physicists were very excited that some of their Crazy ideas, you know the stuff that's like yeah, we came up with this the math works this way Maybe we can make this happen, you know, and you come up with these different ideas that you know, aren't the standard accepted Model and you know, you hope that something like that something that you think is interesting that's going to lead to You know parallel universe is different. Yeah, we might still find some of these things, but it's so far Not looking so good and to put it into a classic Kirsten analogy It's turtles all the way down and thankfully otherwise because if it wasn't somebody would have said oh turtle and would be done with science Can you back up with the turtles all the way down? Oh So it's Kirsten's analogy of every guess of every level further down of complexity you go You find another layer of complexity below that and then there were complexity below that and and it keeps going further and further down Is that like your turtle reference? No It's not even mine originally I think originally it's said to have come from Stephen Hawking But I'm not sure if Stephen Hawking is the originator of that of the of the comment but the idea is that That everything is Is layered upon layer upon layer upon layer like Justin said of complexity and so if Once you uncover one you can keep digging and find another and find another and find another and so There really is no reason to ever stop digging you will always find something new I Think these physicists physicists sound so jaded because For so long we've been looking for the Higgs boson and like it was this big issue when we finally found it Hooray, we found it and now it's just not good enough. It's just not good enough It's not exotic enough. Oh my god. They're not even still excited about it. What was that less than three months ago? And now they're already Whatever That's what would really be cool is if we found that other thing Yeah, that other thing would be so amazing. Yeah, there's always one thing a step further That's cooler than the thing you just found. Can you guys just? Celebrate what you did find for five minutes. No, okay Never rest you never rest you must always keep searching for Keep searching but at the same time you could take a second step back and go Good work So so the origin I just thanks to the power of the Internet's I've discovered the origin it does appear in Stephen Hawking 1988 book a brief history of time so the origin is oh wait Previous to that it was 1905 Oliver Corwin Saban Bishop of the magical Christian Science Church Used the term first no wait before that 1882 Apparently was William James referred to the fable of an elephant and tortoise several times But the infinite regress story with rocks all the way down which was in you know analogy He was using towards turtles. So that was the original one actually David Hume. It turns out here dialogues concerning natural religion 1779 may have been the first. Well, you know what I think I think it's safe to say it no matter how you look at it It is always turtles all the way down Or all the way back in history All right, Justin tell me a story. I owe I need a story. Okay. What do you want to hear first? More than just water on Mars, which is a very intriguing teaser or Sure in your cosmetics and personal you know, I might have to go with that one first because I May have lost the Martian story Where's my Mars story? Oh, no, my Mars story is gone All right, well, I'll get back to the Mars story. I'll go find it because it's gotta be out there somewhere Justin is just computer. It's a It's a tumultuous relationship So what is contributing to increased risk of allergy development in children? this is a product that is showing up in soaps and cosmetics it is showing up in combs and all sorts of random products Tric, Triclosan, Triclosan, Triclosan. Yeah, so we've talked about Triclosan lots in In past stories it can it can off gas when mixed with chlorine The it'd be hazardous to humans Which if you think about using soap and anywhere in the United States where our water is pretty much all chlorinated In order to clean it It's been a problem. Plus there's the whole you know overusing an antibiotic, which Tric, Triclosan is But they did the study found that Triclosan levels measured in urine were associated with elevated risks of immune globin E and Rhinitis which blocked nose hay fever in 10 year olds as 623 urine samples were collected measured at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in the land of USA approximately 50% The children had detectable levels of Triclosan well 80% and this was of Norwegian children was 50% 80% of American children had measurable levels of Triclosan and their urine That's just strange it can change bacterial flora on the skin in the mouth and in the Intestines even though as far as I can tell there is not an internal use product with Triclosan There is well You're not supposed to swallow it But toothpaste very often if it says it if it's an anti-gingeritis toothpaste it very often has Has Triclosan in its ingredients list and it's been shown that Triclosan can reduce the the and there are links between gingivitis and Inflammation of your gums to infections that can lead to heart disease So and actually in the in the details of this study. It does point out that 85% of the total amount of Triclosan came from cosmetic products, which is under which Toothpaste toothpaste is 75% of those hmm Wow, so yeah Triclosan in your toothpaste which especially knowing that it has Was I can't remember if it was a carcinogen risk? When mixed with chlorine it could off-gas and this really bizarre like hybrid Bad for humans and everything so yeah make sure there's no Triclosan in your toothpaste people I'll go ahead I remember And That's what it was chlorophyll Good, that's a good combination You know, you know you brush your teeth every morning you get a little drowsy you go have a couple extra cups of coffee Chemically induced to take on the day again Yeah, the thing that I think that we're using stuff like Triclosan Triclosan is in now in our toothpaste It's in anti-perspirants our deodorants. It's in Handsoaps that you use it's in all sorts of products that you can buy that are under that cosmetics label And this is something that we really we're just starting to understand how Bacteria interact with our body and with our immune systems and that we we know that there are Bacteria within our digestive tract that affect the way that we take in different vitamins and nutrients And those can have a direct effect on On the way that our immune system functions And so it just seems it's just insane to me here in the United States over the last few years Triclosan is just Exploded on the market because it's really it's not controlled and We don't really know it's just we haven't found any negative effects So far and there's just it's like well, it could cause bacterial resistance and it But yeah, this counts I think yeah, and what a half-assard way of using an anti-alien It's just so it's not It's some sort of bizarre fear of what bacteria actually consists of And it I guess assumes that all bacteria are negative whereas we know well vast majority of microflora are beneficial and Absolutely necessary for us to function as humans into ward-off diseases But you know people 72 hour deodorant That's really gross this is back to what we were talking about last week when I was grossed out by people not showering Makes it even easier you never have to shower I've learned something about myself the past couple weeks And that is that I may pick up animal poop for a living and that doesn't gross me out But when humans don't shower, it's a problem Yeah If I don't shower though now, I can just say I'm I'm I'm developing my natural bacterial community Oh dear Anyway, this is this week in science, and I think it's time now that we're talking about Bacteria to move into animal life Works of the zoo likes hippos isn't fond of pandas. That's right. So I thought since It is really science was in the news this week that I could talk about a little bit especially since it's about Bomb sniffing mice in light of what's going on over here right now First of all to everyone listening. Thank you for the support. There is some stuff going on over here but I'm totally safe and Perhaps partially due to the bomb sniffing mice in Israel So an Israeli company actually is Looking to change the way that they detect explosives and Generally you have x-ray machines. You have metal detectors. You have bomb sniffing dogs Well now mice Bice we do know have more sensitive nasal turbinates than dogs do So if we could figure out how to train mice to sniff out bombs It could potentially be something that would be more effective than the dogs so what this company has done is they figured out how to train mice to Recognize certain smells associated with Somebody who might be carrying a bomb so what what they have is they have a person walk into a chamber and The person in the booth is hit by a blast of air the air is sucked into a small opaque chamber Where there are eight mice on duty? Wow After eight seconds if the mice don't do anything a green light goes off and they can leave that means they're all clear but if The mice smell something suspicious They all run into a reporting compartment Which raises an alarm? Why am I question though? I Why train mice as opposed to having a chemical sensor? Like are they just that like that much more accurate and sensitive? This is a good question. I Mean we're training also we're training all sorts of animals to do this kind of thing Fascinating. I don't know. I'm It but I would say potentially what we are able to develop at this point.  Yeah, they probably literally can't But this is this all started because of the bus bombings in around 2000 2001 when suicide bombers were actually going on to public buses in Metropolitan areas, so it is a security risk and Whatever way I think the other reason that they use animals is that that is a cheap effective method Is that you could have these mice? Mice are not expensive Apparently also they're not very hard to train to do this So you could very easily just get some mice and put them at every bus station in Israel Yeah, I believe the original plan was to was because they were so small They could go through luggage compartments and everything else Unfortunately, none of the the agent mice reported back If we could make a mouse robot hybrid And put it on a remote control stick We good to go Remote control mice. That's what they are working on that. So just yeah, you're right just put them together It's not that far off a little bit from column a little bit from column B Perfect bomb sniffing mice robo mouse Yeah, so any who I thought that what that was really cool That was a new use of mice mice are not just throw away lab animals that you can experiment on they they Could be valuable in other ways. I think it's very interesting. Well, we all know from Douglas Adams that I mean they do Control the universe, right? They are the supercomputers Building the supercomputers Mice rule everything Well, they have the numbers they have the sheer numbers to probably rule all the mammals and they're probably more mice at major universities than there are People with the chance of getting a PhD at this point. I mean, that's probably true. I think their exposure at least to academia is Right every every every year there's a whole slew of cures that work on mice All right, what's your other story Blair so fairy-rens They actually the mothers will teach their babies when they're in their eggs a password in order to get food from their mother Yeah, so I Love this story. It's so awesome. It was so cool. So basically these fairy-rens They have these big nests and oftentimes they can have parasitic cuckoos Chicks cuckoo chicks that invade the nest and try to get food from the mother fairy-ren and the way to combat this is that the females teach The the chicks when they're still in the eggs They start singing to the eggs and teach them a very specific note to sing before they can get their food Essentially, it's like a password to get the food from the mother Wow And what is really cool is they actually did a very simple experiment to make sure that they're being taught and then it's not a genetic marker they switched eggs and The eggs that were with the the mother That taught them a Call when they were in the egg they always sang the note that of the mother they were with not the mother that was genetically theirs Wow So it is learned to behave wow from in the egg In the egg. Yeah, and I love that other aspects to this story where the the male of the fairy-rens also learns the password and the the The the parasite chick usually a cuckoo or other type of a cowbird or of some type of some kind the parasite chick is Not there long enough to actually have learned The call so that they so the mother starts singing it like ten days before the eggs are supposed to hatch and Based on the timing of when the parasite egg gets laid in the nest Usually it's not long enough of a of a time period for the parasite to actually be able to learn The note so what is what is what is the what does the Papa bird get when he uses the password? Apparently we can't say it on the radio folks No, so yeah, so the females will teach the mate and the male any other Helpers they'll teach the password to and then another element of the experiment that was really interesting was that they would play a note That was wrong underneath the nest And the chicks never got fed when they did that So the mother is is very clear about what sound she needs to hear before she can give out that food It's very much like saying please You know Please please I'm trying to teach a lot of people hear that word they don't know that word please please So I got a question Go ahead The parasitic bird the cocoa it's in there doesn't run the song therefore doesn't get fed So it's a great evolutionary strategy to exclude them horning in on the food Yeah Yeah, exactly. So the the strategy of it like normally the cuckoo will come out and kick the unhatched other unhatched eggs out of the nest and So it doesn't matter and then they're usually if you look at the difference It's this when you look at baby birds you go the cuckoo does not look anything like these little tiny Ren babies. Why is the mother feeding this this this cuckoo parasite and It's it's all about how the gate looks and so they have this giant mouth That's usually a bright yellow color and they have a this tongue that waggles back and forth and they screech really loudly And so they're basically creating a much larger stimulus or a bigger bulls-eye for the parent to throw to or I guess in disgorge food into and So Yeah, and so now if you know that if you don't know the password it doesn't matter all that yelling and screaming is not the Stimulus the signal that the mother's looking for I'd love to fast forward and see the next step in this evolutionary arms race And see if the cuckoo learn learns to start singing all these different notes until they get the exact right one and they can get Yeah, I think I think that would be really interesting to see Absolutely Well, we have hit the midpoint of our show. 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We really couldn't do it without you And we're back with more this week in science That's right and we are joined by dug everett and pamela sue taylor douglas who's the host of radio parallax on kdvs And pamela who are you still doing the show with jason are you guys still doing your Yes Meaningless words podcast is still up and running. We've taken a short hiatus All right The pamela who has been They got lost. Oh, no Oh no But additionally pamela is very involved in the occupy movement and has been doing some amazing work in australia On that front But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the eclipse and we introduced both of them at the beginning of the show so All right, who wants to start? He's the professional Douglas well, yeah this week in science included an eclipse in the southern hemisphere And uh people descended from all over the world to see it and i'm hoping that most of them were not disappointed um I I wish that the authorities here thought this through a little bit better. They were talking about road closure It's very discouraging and I was getting very nervous and it turns out a friend of mine, dr Roger armor from angels camp Who is a kdb listener by the way? Was down here and it booked a hotter balloon ride, which I thought was quite extravagant But talking to pamela and getting nervous about it. I thought we used to got spots on the balloons They put a call through and they did So that's we went up to the drier territory in the atherton tablelands east of here to kind of get away For some of the coastal clouds and took a balloon ride, which is very cool It's alright, but luck was with us and we saw the whole thing and A gal in the balloon it was over it kind of stopped and said Which kind of I think summarized the whole thing pretty well it was it was very it was very very cool Don't try this at home But I took my glasses off and watched it and I know that's really bad No, no, you take your glasses off while it's in totality. It's fine Well, I did not have them up for a little while that's different. Yeah I can That was my first So describe now there was there was something going on with the wildlife at the time though Yeah Yes, well, you didn't see it. I got jipped out of that because I was three thousand feet up in the air That was later But I was down on beach with some friends and the the birds freaked out They were where I was I was a mating speech and there were two lots of birds and they were completely just flying randomly No formation It's walking and then a second lot of birds went and then all the dogs along the all the houses started parking their heads up Yeah I don't know that's going to happen. That's interesting and it went dark and it went cold and our shadows just brought in dark It's our shadows got longer than they've ever looked before and wow I was hoping the bats would come out but apparently they did not because if you come to camp they got they got Bellagosie style Bambino this giant Bats and you were trying to become Dracula They fly by and I guess they stayed asleep We're not coming out for this Okay, so so the the big thing about this it's it's it's a solar eclipse Solar eclipses happened all the time, but this was the total solar eclipse And Pam last year, I think you made the prediction that It would be cloudy Thank god for David's vlog along with us to override this Australian pessimism You made a prediction that would be clouded in thankfully she was dead wrong It's like land season here So it's always cloudy and rainy and it was rainy and cloudy bright awesome That's true. It was And then it cleared and where I was several months down I was with people everyone was like cheers and in the cloud went to come across again and they were deflected I Think my favorite part is the 50,000 people cheering and booing the minutia of the weather Yeah, I know it's good to share. I mean, you know, I could have climbed up on my own roof and everything But it was good experience to be out there with people on the beach and that would have punctured on and yeah sharing it Yeah, it's a typical reaction to be like when is the next one and it's it turns out We are finally in left in America five years from now in august 2017 We do get one finally back in that in the united states of america and uh, say Planned plan to be up in eastern oregon for that one market calendar. I just uh last last this last year saw um An eclipse in eastern oregon, but it wasn't the being it. We weren't able to see the entire eclipse. It wasn't a Complete eclipse No, well they're talking about the western western oregon southern oregon Yeah, yeah, yeah the annular we had in june the annular Annuaries are very cool. They're very interesting, but of course it's still daylight there's still a distinct ring of sun around the moon and uh, it's still daylight So it just doesn't have that pizzazz of things going dark and the solar corona popping out Dogs parking in first line. Yeah, so what so what made Go ahead I was gonna skinny ask if we could just explain the solar eclipse the total solar eclipse so that people know the difference between What's happening with the annular versus?  It's just your hook. It's just one of those things Um on the average mean of course every month is the moon orbits around our planet It comes between us and the sun But it usually is either high or low misses the sun every so often It's a bull's eye as it's passing on the inside track. It goes right in front of the sun typically Um, sadly on average the moon isn't quite big enough to cover the sun So that's what we got like last june. It was an annular eclipse this one The the gods of Australia are smiling on us and the sun was big enough I was the sun was small enough to be covered by the moon this time hence the total eclipse And things going dark Not dark like a deep night, but like a very deep twilight Um, sometimes planets and stars come out. Yeah, this time we only saw Venus So eerie Yeah Oh and the planets were visible Yeah, yeah, we were expecting to see Venus Saturn and Mercury and Mars, but Oddly enough this one wasn't as dark as some of them might be I don't know. This was we were closer to the edge Whether it was just there was a lot of clouds reflecting light for whatever reason all we got was Venus this time And the air is really humid here Being there coming into summer. So I think that might have affected you in a bit because I think if it lasted longer You could have you could have gotten a bit darker, but the stars were there resulting the light back to Earth and Yeah, this one was a minute 45 seconds where we were Um, if everything is absolutely right like it was in Mexico back in 1991 you can squeeze seven minutes I want these things that's about the best you can hope for Wow, people will travel a long way for two minutes of deep twilight, but Once you do it, it's like your hook Well, I have to recommend it to you guys 2017 Eastern Oregon be there 117 well, I think it's just an amazing It's a great reason to travel. I mean you have an itinerary over several years that you can Jump from place to place to place visit the world and see it in a different light Absolutely In a scientific light So let's see five years in 117 Eastern Oregon, what other places are we are we looking at or are you planning on going Doug? Um, I'll be the one organ. There's one coming to sydney australia. That was the next one. They were talking up here in 2024 But I Sorry to say I've not done my homework on when the next ones are to wet people's appetite to see these but to go to the NASA website Fred Espinac and all these people have worked this out You know in exquisite detail of where you need to be when you need to be there They can even correlate that to weather predicting on cloud cover now with satellite data You can really Really maximize your odds I love that It's it's seriously. It's like you can figure out exactly okay So what is the optimum the likelihood of my being able to see it in this season and little just put it all together and Wait Yes, and even like here with like you're even down here like once you're trying to predict what the weather will be cans is on the coast So it's cloudy and you want to move inland the the atherton table lamp is falling a bit drier And that that was why it's prone for the hotter balloon right, but but some of this part damage I want to see this thing And I'm gonna see it from the air And your balloon ride made the Front page of our main music. Yes, we did the city more city morning peril I guess next morning had had the balloon to equal up. I'm not sure which one was us, but we've tried to figure that out I love it so much And I just I love the fact also that we're able to connect a world apart from each other half a world away and Yeah Look at the time zones we've got here. We've got israel australia and uh, western united states all represented here Although I your your junkie Addiction passion. I'm I'm afraid it's been escalating and I I'm sort of for seeing Well, now you're up in a balloon It's not not sufficient just to be on the ground I'm predicting Right, you're gonna be in an airplane Parachuting the airplane They do take airplane rides to try and extend the clips out and then it can be done Oh, he clips. I think after somebody Somebody took like a supersonic jet like the concord style mock two or mock three and they were able to extend the clips out like 30 40 minutes By that by by tracking along with it. So That's uh, that would be extreme I've never thought of combining a clips jay I have to say Someone down here had the idea they were counting this They were going to go out on the great barrier reef and just ride up short your major tourist attraction They were going to get their camera done and they were going to film this thing During the eclipse underwater. I'm thinking like, you know, what they're going to be like under what's going to be like Oh, that was amazing. It was it was just like noise You're gonna get two minutes of night We couldn't see anything I've experienced the wonder of an eclipse one time before without having there been a total eclipse It was I had spent two weeks and or two or three or no six weeks Sorry in greenland where the sun had never gone down the entire time I was up there And the first time I was below the arctic region and it started to get dark I had this really eerie feeling like what is that? What what's happening and as it got dark it was a very surreal feeling like My gosh people live like this they do this all the day looks like It might as well have been 10 feet of snow had fallen because it felt so after just six weeks It felt so unfamiliar to to have it get dark all of a sudden in them Well, it it seems the thing that I Like is that now we can explain what's happening through science that we understand how the planets and And every how how we move through our solar system and how how the moon the sun the earth Interact and we can we can know what this solar solar eclipse is and go appreciate it in that way But hundreds of years ago thousands of years ago people weren't able to do that And so they came up with myths and stories and religions that were centered around these These events that happened every once in a while and I just love I love the fact that we've been able to explain these these old myths and stories and I don't know the myths and stories of today someday. Maybe maybe we'll be explaining them with science And by the way speaking of myths and stories Changes something ever so slightly. I've been to Australia. I have to say She would have seven weeks up till this week, and I've never seen a kangaroo I was coming to think they were like they were like, you know Kangaroos were to Australia like leprechauns were to Ireland Yeah, the tourists would go there and it was very cute. They hide in trees You're this week in correspondence down here in Australia took it upon herself to take me out on a late night Taxi tour of wallaby hunting in kangaroos and which was successful. So I highly recommend this among the other tourists and how haven't been to come here Pamela can help you with this one I don't believe it. I'm a believer now You gotta go out in about midnight because whenever you sleep because the kangaroos come and they It's really bad for them, but they steal the dogs that creep us out And yeah, and that's when you can find them hopping around the houses I'm just imagining the stories that you know that Australian parents can tell their kids to keep them indoors at night, you know Don't go outside The kangaroos come out at night The kangaroos they've got big big fangs big fangs Oh I do think it's funny how uh, there's not kangaroos obviously In the zoos in Australia, but you don't really think about it. It's kind of how I asked for the camel exhibit I said, why don't you guys have a camel exhibit?  That's really weird You have squirrels than your zoos Oh If you've been hanging out with me this weekend, you would have seen a bear We had a bear and a coyote sighting but what was frightening about it was We were and I think it was because we were barbecuing Snapper wrapped in bacon.  This was up in Tahoe, but this is also this was right This was california side of tahoe like three blocks. I guess north of haras two blocks from the lake This is this is bear and coyote wandering around Right next to about I don't know 30,000 40,000 50,000 plus drunken gambling general public completely unaware of their existence Right along where I just came wandering down the street like it was well the bear wandered around like it was no big deal Like i'm a bear i'm scared of nothing. It's just gonna walk down the middle of the road people will tell bears roll That's how they roll the coyote was uh very skittish And and we we he kept coming over and like what running away coming up running away Next morning though, we did notice That the there were coyote tracks right up to the the deck where we were Except they were exiting from underneath the deck and we were starting to wonder If this cabin and I call it a cabin even though it's on what looks like a residential street three blocks from a casino It might actually have been uh living Underneath the the deck where we were staying and we might have disturbed it I uh I heard something interesting about coyotes this week in the way that they hunt that uh normally coyotes hunt in packs and there will be three or so coyotes and that Very often when they are hunting say a dog or Even another another animal that's around their size and that's pretty social They will get one of the coyotes will come up and be friendly and be like yep. Yep friend friendly Let's play let's play let's play and kind of drag lure The uh the dog away for or towards wherever they want it to go And then the other coyotes will come in and attack it and I'll I'll descend on it I feel like I've been on that date I just I just as as an I don't know Intelligence in hunting and pack behavior like that is just I mean that's conniving I'm gonna be cute and friendly and don't you want to play with me?  And I always wonder too our our you know sort of intimate history of hunting Uh as humans and what became a friendship with uh canines I wonder how much we observed and learned from uh about hunting by Or learned from our own hunting skills was from observations of wolves or coyotes or other predators Yeah, I figured it out before us. Yeah, I've been doing it for quite a bit longer than we were right? Yeah Uh the show let's see the show is moving along. We should probably throw in a few more science stories here Um, yeah, I want to hear about the cow pee Oh Obviously I say the word pee and someone wants to hear about it. Okay, uh cow pee no cow pee for me There is a research study out that suggests that cow pee can spread antibiotic resistance through the soil So, um, yeah, it makes sense. So you give Farmers ranchers give cows antibiotics not all of the antibiotic biotics get used by the animal and some of them pass out through the urine That uh those drugs just end up in the soil and oh gee, there's lots of Um lots of bacteria little little life forms in the soil that can be affected By those antibiotics and then you know, they're stepping in the mud and moving things around and licking their feet and yeah Just another way raising beef is not great Not great the way that we do it This is a national scandal the way we're doing it feeding all these animals corn and the anti-anibiotics as a growth factor Yeah It should be banned. I mean we are going to breed antibiotic resistance to cow pee and cow poop all over the countryside We already are Yeah Yeah, it's already there and it's surprising to me that um, you know ranchers or Would be against getting rid of antibiotics or regulating antibiotic use in uh an agriculture But there's a real battle going on right now between people on the public health side of things and people on the agricultural side of things and You know not being on the agricultural side of things. I don't I don't have that perspective, but um It just seems that if you're using antibiotics and this is being shown more and more to be a problem You'd want to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem So what I don't understand is okay, so grass-fed beef tastes better, right? I wouldn't know but it does right Here You get more money for it people pay more for grass-fed beef You have to give pump them with less drugs because they're getting the food. They're supposed to get And they grow faster without hormones because they're getting the food. They're supposed to get no they don't they grow slower That's why they do it here. They do it as a growth promotion. Yeah. Well, that's not in australia. No, thank you Sorry In the u.s. We are now but back in the u.s. So we're doing it And they're doing studies now you change the microbiome in various species mice Part of the laboratory mice they get spatter So just by adding the antibiotics for reasons that are still perfectly understood Fatten up the animal faster. So that's why economically advantage is to do so even though we're paying these potential consequences and you know in human disease right Okay, so not quite all of the benefits I thought but still the grass-fed cows are generally healthier and there's they supposedly taste better so If people just ate a little bit less meat So we needed a lower volume of meat than there would be room to do the grass-fed cows You sound like you live in israel or something So anti-american I went come on. This is the land of the 60 ounce steak I try to explain to people Here how in america you eat meat three times a day and Probably close to 90 of your plate is meat You just put a few green beans on the side to feel like you're being healthy And uh their mouth just I'm talking in hyperbole, but still you know, there's the meat is the majority of the meal That's that's considered to be the main part But that's not true in a lot of other countries that you have equal parts of different things And you don't eat meat three times a day and you don't even eat meat every day Right Yeah You don't need it every day. It's true Justin did you have uh the mars not just for water anymore story? Uh, but this is uh, this is and actually maybe uh, I can help me out of this There apparently there were they've been studying the sort of potential temperature ranges Uh for water on mars and found that mars likely didn't just have water But had warm water And they did this Not on mars, but here on earth Studying meteorite fragments that came from mars And there's basically they had uh three different groups the surga Deesh, I have no idea how to pronounce these Nacolites and Chastiganites I'm just completely guessing Uh Rare meteorites that they think come from mars Yeah, martin meteorites that they think believe came from ours So the most interest for the question of water mars are the nacolites because this group of martian meteorites Contains small veins which are filled with minerals formed by the action of water Near the surface of mars dr. Bridges and his group studied those alteration Minerals in detail all together eight nacolite martian meteorites are known And all have a small but significant difference between them in their alteration minerals So uh the most complete succession newly formed minerals can be found in in these veins Careful investigations of the minerals with an electron microscope and transmission electron microscope have revealed That the first newly formed mineral to grow along the walls of the vein was iron carbonate The carbonate would have been formed by co2 rich water around 150 degrees celsius Uh when the water was cooled down to 50 it would have formed clay minerals instead so The indications from fragments of meteorites that we have from mars here on earth Are that at one point? Mars had warm water and why is this important? Because it is believed that these are temperature ranges In which life microbes could have existed Deepening the question Deepening I mean and then much much warmer of course obviously We have extremophiles that can live at the the vents down below But uh, yeah You know some pretty pretty decent temperature water Possible mars and I I like this story too because we have a rover on mars right now Yeah, we have exploration going on And somebody with a really good microscope and a couple of rocks Can make an interesting insight into water temperature on mars here on earth There's water everywhere on mars. I understand why NASA and the scientists are being so I guess they're afraid of being like first of all, you know Canals everywhere on mars being really cute, but the evidence for water is so incredibly overwhelming We know there's gotta be ground water all over the place. I don't know why they're there every time they call these things They're so cautious about how they announce Oh, yeah water or my ice it's it's covered in ice everywhere. Yeah, it's it's awesome Yeah We've got water and we've got abundant water on the moon now as well. I mean we it's a water rich At least our solar system local local solar system local solar system is pretty damp It's moist I really don't like that word I jump in real quick. This is a quick one portions of albert einstein's brain We're apparently looked into and have been found to be Unlike those of most people Which they presume of course could be related as extraordinary cognitive abilities Which I think is really bad news for all of us because one of the wonderful things is it's a mind applied You know towards these questions and an obsession with the questions themselves Which could lead to extraordinary discovery, but if his brain is freakish, then we have no hope of being able to do that ourselves Although the overall size and asymmetrical shape of einstein's brain were normal the prefrontal somewhat somewhat the sensory primary motor parietal temporal occipital cortexes were Extraordinary says falc who is a uh the uh professor of anthropology at florida state these may have provided the neurological underpinnings for some of his Visio spatial and mathematical abilities I still talk a lot of it up to him having worked in a uh in a Patent office in the patent office though Because it the way This is questionable science and when einstein died they took his brain out against the will of his family and it's been It's been in the glass jar ever since the people are cutting up chunks of it Going to claim they're doing science and it's this is pretty frank and science, I think Yeah, and what it's it feels a little eugenics But it's a little better than just measuring his cranium, you know, they're going in and now we've learned a little bit about What different areas of the brain or tasks? Okay here as a neuroscientist and someone who has uh dealt with preserved specimens before i'm sure that they tried to preserve his brain as As well as they could but inevitably you have Shrinkage of the cells you have shrinkage of brain areas and it's uneven. There's no way to control how The fixative or the preservative that you're using goes into the cells and whether or not it's doing it in A consistent homogenous manner So saying that one area is significantly larger than the average human blah blah blah blah Yeah, I'm with dug I actually didn't this is the first that I'm even aware that we have Einstein's brain in a jar Um, it's a little bit disturbing. I did not know this That may be the big point of this This uh is protect protect future future science brain. You know, maybe it was a hopeful thought It was a good fourth.  Where's that? I always think he's very a fascinating part of Einstein now Because he spent so much time while coming up with really interesting ideas Also focused on this sort of legal proof that this idea is completely original You know all he's looking at the the patents as they're coming through They need to show that they're an original version of an idea So he spent quite a concerted effort Differentiating his ideas from anything else that had come before Even though he had to be relying on and touching on and knowing what was going on in in science He must have known about the the morally uh Experiment um You know the the checking light in different directions, but claimed not to have ever heard of it He claimed almost not to have heard of anything in science That had ever been done before was it being done currently And in doing so was coming up with really original ways of explaining phenomena And I always think that it's something interesting about the the connection to the patent office having having to read documents constantly or You know that are attempting to Claim an original idea even if they're if they're borrowing some of it from here there the other But showing how they came to this completely originally if that didn't somehow influence his attempt To define things and I'm sure that training like that or experiences like that had some influence on how his brain How the the neural pathways in his brain were trained to Assess information to work on stuff Um, but you know, it's interesting that they say, you know, they're talking about the visual spatial area of his brain You know and of course his work on relativity was so influential is is what we really talk about and being able to think of space-time and to to really Visualize what the fabric of space-time might be like in order to be able to come up with the equations and to picture that You know that fits, you know, okay, he can maybe move things around in his imagination and fit things together in his mind's eye Because he has you know, but again, there is no evidence that you know having that area bigger Sarely led to him having a better ability in that especially if it's been sitting in a jar of pickle juice That's About every turn although they did find his his mathematics report cards And they are they are not he did not fail math in school. No, that's a myth. It's always very good at math in school No, it's not It's a myth. It's a common myth, but it's a myth.  He gets my goodness. Okay I have a few more headlines to just throw out here Uh a rogue planet spotted. Well, maybe it just has to do with your definition of a planet and whether or not what they've seen It just is not quite big enough to be a star. So it's a large gas Giant about seven times the mass of jupiter So bigger than bigger than jupiter pretty big But not necessarily big enough to actually ignite and become a fusion body light and heat emitter Um So using justin's favorite telescope the very large telescope and the canada france hawaii telescope There is a body that's wandering throughout place about a hundred light years away Doesn't seem to have a star that it's associated with. Um, and there are There is kind of a solar system somewhere nearby it and that some other stuff in its general vicinity They're calling it cfbd s i r 2 1 4 9 and it's very possible that it was booted out of its home solar system and is now just wandering Uh the universe, uh, it's how do they find this thing? How do they find it? It's not Right Yeah, so it does uh, it does give off radiation There is a certain amount of it has a heat signature that it's giving off Which is what and enabled them to see it in the first place And the the radiation that it's giving off Is thought to be from just the The end of the the gravitational or the the forces that actually formed it in the first place that brought all of it All of its mass together um Yeah, so it's something that they're starting to look at and trying to figure out um What this kind of a a planet? Whether they're kind of call it a planet or not. Um I think they're called they're they have a new name for some of these things. They're calling it like, uh, something like Planet mass objects or something of that kind. Uh, here it is isolated planetary mass objects ipm mose. That's the new acronym um It could potentially tell us a little bit about planetary formation. Um, and It could actually give us a lot of information and additionally because they this is what I was forgetting about because um They've realized that it is a planet and it's not a brown dwarf That there are probably a lot of other dark bodies out floating around the universe that have been passed over before But now that the telescopes know about this one that we can start looking around to find out if there are more wandering planets on the loose Interesting also archaeologists identified spear tips. I believe this is in Cape Town, South Africa uh an archaeological site katsu pan one Which puts back the first evidence that humans used stone tipped weapons for hunting It pushes it back Another 200 thousand years Whoa Yeah, so now it's back to 500 thousand years ago human ancestors We're using stone tipped spears and tools in hunting practices. Wow. We have been at this for a while, haven't we? Absolutely and the next step is um, you know our robotic future Well, maybe not being ruled by robots. We might become them our cyborg future will be powered by rocket fuel Yes, so, uh, of course, um, this is I just I just love this this story. Um, uh, where is it? University Of u of a where am I finding this? Um, see if I can find the actual name of the university U of a it's what I've got. Um jieng rong shen with researchers from the georgia institute of technology I guess it's university of alabama. Um, arkansas I don't know help me out people. Um, they are developing prosthetic limbs that could be powered by type of rocket fuel Mono propellant and energy storing medium that decomposes upon contact with certain catalysts And they don't need to be mixed with other gases to be used as a fuel And so the energy allows for the powering of a lightweight or official leg that can be used on a regular basis Huh have lots of power. Yeah Rocket fuel for my leg Thank you i09 for that story Um, did you have anything else blare? Nope, that's all I got No, I found all sorts of other science stories out there. There was one that came out today fmri is of hip hop freestylers brains showing Um that areas that of the prefrontal cortex that have to do with control of that they think have to do with control of how you Speak in the words that are coming out kind of get turned down Turned off while other areas of the brain get turned up and so areas the brain associated with emotion get turned up like the amygdala and um, I think that's kind of interesting. So freestyling is Dropping word filters and conscious thought and just rolling wow I'm just trying to imagine though. I think I when I'm imagining an fmri study. I mean you have your head in this This device where you're not supposed to move it because they're imaging your brain, right? Moving your head around is going to mess up the image And so I'm just trying to think about, you know freestylers usually probably have like a lot of movement That goes along with what they're doing because it has to do with a certain rhythm and And to not be able to move or not move your head and you try and do it I wonder how that would affect the naturalness of the of the freestyle. No, you can't just articulate Yeah, we got to jump in here. We're discussing on this very top a couple days ago here down under He's a new scientist about a guy that was always stories about fmri do this they can show this they can show that Some guy was working on one and decided on the way home to calibrate it and he has that puts up the internet I guess and just put it without an object inside So he took a salmon that he bought at the fish market and stuck it inside the machine Turned it on and then ran the algorithm to see how it was run the previous study Which was children's responses to various emotional reactions in the face And apparently after they read it through this the dead salmon was also having reaction pictures Which means there's some flaws in their algorithm, which means some of these things about what fmri are doing Well, they just may be suspecting Thank you for that or or dead salmon are much more intelligent than we've ever given them credit Underestimated Be nice to your salmon tonight. All right, everybody On that note. I think it's time for us to end this show I want to give a big ol shout out to pamela and dug halfway around the world for joining us Yeah, thanks for coming on and talking about the eclipse and um, kangaroo hunting at night in Australia I love it. Um, and who knows, you got five years 117 maybe we should make a twist trip of it and um speaking of twist events something that I'm thinking of December 21st 20th 21st depending on where you are 21 hours of twist mcgeddon Can we do it? Can we get people from every time zone? Pamela I'm playing we need to talk science for 21 hours Oh, I really rock that 21 hours of twist mcgeddon Let's make it happen and uh and show the world that the world's not over over even though the maliant Mayan calendar is turning over a new calendar page twist standing That's right All right, so uh, we will be back next week and we'll be be using google plus hangouts Which broadcasts live through youtube so you can go to the youtube live page uh to find us You can also find us at youtube.com slash this week in science And we're also available as a podcast Just google this week in science in the itunes directory or if you have an android device So you can just look up twist for droid in the google play android marketplace and uh twist twi In the iphone marketing place For more information on anything that you've heard here today show notes are going to be available at our website Which is twist org and we do want to hear from you. 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money is Look at the colors on here Different sizes Look at our bullshit money Look at it The money here is also very colorful Yeah everywhere Cool stuff like this too Different sizes, different colors Yeah and even on the 20 shekel mark There's a star of david that's clear in the money It's like Yeah yeah yeah So cool Yeah That's awesome And the lowest ones are five They go to coin They got like two dollars coins one dollar coin Those are small too On this subject perfect timing There's going to be a future fundraiser for science island We're going to make Actual currency Coined currency With sciencey themes So you know your suggestions Yes it is totally against the law We will be criminal A criminal society So this alternate currency To be bartered about in future science island Is going to also be the fundraiser for it So what I'm looking for suggestions For the heads and tails What images On heads and tails You can send them to twistminion At gmail.com I've already pictured there's one There's one side that I want Which is a slightly Reliefed globe of the US And you can actually get it In temperature changing Metals sort of like a mood ring Sort of have a global warming theme Is this coin is in your hand The earth's the temperature from your hand Will warm the planet on one side And change the colors of it That's one side Haven't figured out what the other side of that coin is Climate money Climate money But yeah we can have like Einstein's with the glow in the dark E equals mc squared on the back We can do all kinds of fun stuff with this coins What I'm looking for is Your ideas What's the heads and tails of these coins What would you like to see on there Twistminion At gmail.com Send your suggestions there I just missed on the one Newton's a good one Newton's a good one You have one dollar and two dollars Yeah we don't have two dollars We used to have two dollars No I still do We do but there's someone popular That they're selling you Interesting I used to work at this In this fashion Place in San Mateo And it was eight dollars to park And so they just had a giant Thing of two dollar bills That they'd hand out when people gave them a ten or a twenty And so I have a bunch of two dollar Bills I've saved most of them The interesting The science island coinage Is there not There's no denomination on them There's no What it's by way You can actually Value money in what your favorite scientist is It could be a problem Yeah it could be a problem But it makes negotiations really Like to somebody The Newton is going to be like Worth more than a hundred dollar bill Right and I was like Five dollars I have to say the two dollar bill though The two dollar bill is hard Has like the very best Seen on the back It's not the white one It's not the white one Seen on the back It's not the white house It's not anything boring It's the signing of the declaration of independence It's on the back of the two dollar bill It's awesome It is the best back of a bill There's a picture of Jefferson Justiculating in front of all of our founding fathers On the back It's awesome That's right Ben Franklin I think Ben Franklin He was a great scientist too Can we put Ben Franklin on one? Sure I don't like that Absolutely Bitcoins With the money though I mean What are you going to do about forgeries People forging science island money Not that Worried about it Let's talk more about science island I'm not including it We don't know where it's going to It's not going to be an actual island Because we've already determined that being on island Has tsunamis or probably sitting on top of a volcano And getting resources there is insanely Expensive So now it's an island of the mind A society of scientifically inclined People who are going to try To create an off-grid society We're going to try to find A couple hundred acres somewhere And invite a hundred and fifty people To remake society And science's image But with the idea That people could come And visit and there would be science events And there would be lectures And there would be education There would be education as its mission As well It would be the headquarters of science Media Absolutely tours of an off-grid Sustainable Community showing all the different kinds Of things you can do without being Connected to the grid But I think The big thing though And really in a telescope You have to have a telescope Yeah, those two would be Definitely key components No, I mean the thing The thing that in my head When Justin you first proposed The science island idea It was the thing that really hit For me was the idea that We could share ideas And it would be about Information and education And people could come And we could have events and invite speakers And you get scientists to come in And so you, you know It gets to be a very exciting Dynamic place because people are coming in And out all the time And you get a lot of different people through it And I like the idea of the sustainable Community but that just like That on its own just harkens back to Like the sixties and To me it's more That's an educational portion of it That has to be there because to me It's the The sort of inspiration from all this Came from reading John Dewey I think it's a 1916 Science Democracy What is it? Science and democracy I think is what It's called or democracy and Education. It's a philosophy Of education but he in 1916 was Before that our education system was To teach kids Home act you sat in front Of the classroom and read recipes At them And his sort of Brainchild in our education system was No, you need to put them in a kitchen And have them make Bread, right? Follow the recipe. They can mess it up They can get it right. They can see the difference between the two You need hands on Engaged sort of education And Blair, I'm still waiting for The pictures from the community that you Visited there in Israel. Okay, I need to do that. I've been checking your blog every Day. I've had a busy week. Sometimes several times a day In fact It's constantly up on my screen I'm hitting this right now Waiting because you visited A community that was sort of doing this But being able to To educate by Knowing, by example By showing what's possible And then in difference To what you can sort of Think of as a Luddite community Or a sort of Sustainable organic farm Set up on its own The idea of Science Island will be To To do what we can do now To have the lights on all night To put on rock concerts If we want to Not to sacrifice Any of our consumption But to Find ways to over-consume Sustainably So it's a little bit of a challenge But we're not seeking to do A sustainable society By giving up stuff We're looking for a way To create a sustainable society In which we do everything that Normal society does now. Internet, television, Video show. Anything that you could see In society, we want to be able to do it And create our own energy for it And be responsible for it That way. Plus it is It's almost like an open university It's also Which is a little bit of a Luddite Thing, having a garden university Where you actually can bring in the public And break bread And have conversations about science Which you can do at any university As it is, but it's one of the things You get people out there You create sort of like a bed And breakfast And an off-grid Kind of an alternative housing Structure like an earthship People can rent it for the weekend They can see how the crops are grown They can see the water that's captured From the sky And is being kept and then Being used later to feed the crops As well as greywater systems You let somebody live Within all these ideas That are out there that could Get us off-grid, get us more sustainable Get lower the carbon footprint, do all these things And still Live in a completely modern Way To me that's an education And plus I would really like The idea of being able to convert My entire life into just like farming You could probably do that anyway There's a lot of digging in the dirt That's involved in this And I'm really excited by that Go with it Go with it Let's see, it's almost 9.30 Does anyone have anything else to add? I'm gonna run away pretty soon And Doug, I'm sorry I introduced you with the wrong last name At the beginning of the show I hadn't seen the Facebook note It's too late now I can't hide it No, this is fun, this is really cool Nice You can come visit here Kansas is a really awesome place There's only things to do How long have you been there? It's been Sunday But I've been here twice before And it was always a good time There's white water rafting There's like Scuba, snorkeling Hikes You can do the flying duck thing With the rain forest Zip line Yeah, zipline Oh, you don't do the flying duck thing? Okay, well, zipline There you go Sky rail Train A lot to do here I'll take a kangaroo That's right In a taxi cab, no less It'll be really great I love it Awesome Well, Doug Have a really, really safe flight home And I think it's hilarious I haven't talked to you or seen you in a while And I get to talk to you while you're in Australia So Very cool methodology Whatever works Yeah, it's so awesome One degree And it completely Changes the subject here for a minute Blair, come home No Come home now I meant to ask actually What's hitting the American media right now War is about to break out between Israel And Hamas And Egypt is backing them up politely You need to come home So here's what's actually happening Can I tell you what's actually happening? I guess I really want you just to come home Actually All this geopolitical stuff Really serious stuff Is just an excuse For me to say come home Right, I know I've heard this before So this is what's actually happening In the past year 400 rockets have hit Israel From Gaza In the past month, over 100 of them Have happened So A few days ago Three days ago Israel had an air strike And bombed Hamas Headquarter And killed the leader of Hamas So obviously Hamas is not very happy About that And they've started striking back And officially Israel is at war However However As widespread as you would think It's a very small radius From Gaza And this happens Every couple of years here And it happens for a few weeks And it fizzles out And so they are calling up reservists But there aren't sirens ringing In every city in Israel Jerusalem is very very safe And no matter what I think it's Very interesting to see From media and stuff What people are saying About this on the other side of the planet Because they don't know exactly what's going on And the way I look at it is Whether you agree with the existence Of Israel or not Whether you think it should be a state or not Or whether Palestinians should have a state Or whatever your opinion is The reality of the matter is This is a country And there are people that live here And if a country is attacked To retaliate And Israel did not strike first And that is the number one thing That I don't think Is getting through the media right now Is that How many times do you flick somebody in the head Before they slap you back Right, well the whole striking first Is the issue Of why this is such a contentious Issue You go back historically You're going back You're going back to If Mexico Was launching rockets Into Texas Because they still were upset About the war of 1840 Whenever that happened We fought a war with Mexico We got catches That's what it's called Regardless There's a certain point where you can keep going back And saying Well there's a legitimate reason regardless of that fact everything ends yesterday and that's the way the world is and there's rockets coming in from mexico i guarantee you there wouldn't need to be much of a international explanation for the reaction of the u.s. military taking out a strip of mexico between the border and where those rockets originated so yeah well and that's all i'm saying is it doesn't matter in the end who started it it doesn't matter whether or not you'd agree with the politics involved what matters is there were rockets being fired from gaza and it was a residential area yeah it was into residential areas that's the bottom line they were firing rockets just into israel and so we went back and we went for their headquarters of a terrorist organization we weren't even just like the bejesus out of gaza we you know israel basically targeted a terrorist organization and unfortunately civilians were killed and that is not good i agree but it's war and ultimately it looks like this is going to fizzle out really quickly if it does escalate i'm coming home i was going to say it's fine that we can talk about why it's happening and what's going on but if it does escalate you should get your butt out of there i'm so much more comfortable having this conversation with you when you're not in a bunker yeah why are you in a bunker bedroom bunker it's a bedroom but really it's like ten feet underground yeah but basically i mean if everything if everything goes back to normal how long are you planning on saying this i'll be back at the end of february if everything goes normally yeah so it's not super long but essentially Jerusalem is on the top of a hill it's extremely well guarded it's the crown jewel of Israel and basically this is what i've been telling people at home also is if Jerusalem is in trouble there's bigger issues going on than just a war in Israel because in order for Jerusalem to be in trouble one of the big players around have to join in the fight and if that happens some other big players will join the fight on the other side and it will be a much larger issue than a little tiff in between Jerusalem and Gaza or Israel and Gaza yeah so a couple things as we're ending tonight Doug I need to know the best viewing sites for eastern Oregon at some point because me and Blair are going to try to track down a section of land I'll be going to go to view the eclipse I'll get back in December awesome and you can be our featured speaker for the eclipse viewing where we'll be luring wealthy from astronomy magazine we'll have a good shindig in what is that 7 years 5 years oh god it's later than I think yes if anyone wants to see a combination of everything that happens this week with the eclipse I'm putting it all together on kentastronomy.org give me the weekend to put it all up I'll have everything from everyone around here add it to it very nice and if anyone wants to be involved in 21 hours of twismageddon I think it'll be fun twismageddon you just threw this out there 21 hours of science I've just been thinking about it so now that you've announced it I have to figure out what day of the week it's going to be Thursday that's perfect I have that off because I do a radio show on Thursday it starts it'll start at the beginning of the day so at 0 100 hours UTC time so that's about 4pm here I think right 4pm because we're minus 8 so 4pm on Thursday is when it'll start here pacific time it'll go until the next day and we have to make it past 1111 UTC because 1111 UTC is when the end of the world is supposed to happen what's UTC mean? it's universal under the couch is that GMT? yeah it's the same as Greenwich Meantime my contribution to this I will attempt to drink one beer for every hour we're live on the air celebrating the end of the world it's also close to your birthday right? no no it's a week later I'll already have been 40 for much too long when's your birthday Justin? it's 1211 oh that's the day before my birthday oh you know what I'm celebrating my birthday on your birthday because I have to work on my birthday I'm borrowing your birthday this year it'll be awesome we're both going to be 1212 12 1212 12 days and we have a show on the 13th that doesn't go on with that at all it's a Thursday though it's a Thursday so no show next week because of Thanksgiving that's right I always forget about that one and then we have shows up until Christmas but we have to figure out we have to talk about our Christmas which actually our holiday schedule should be no problem but the 21 hours of Twist McGedd in that show is also our 399th show and so the question is will we make it to 400? yeah especially with me drinking 21 beers in one shot over 40 what are you trying to do so here's the thing I think we need to do this show in person oh that'd be fun yeah so you should totally come over Blair will have to fly back just for the show we won't hide your passport Pamela are you going to be in town by then keep working on it keep working on it I think we should well we'll need at least everybody having people in different time zones by the way could be really convenient so wait I'm completely lost by the way Blair what time is it 737 am wow that's so weird tomorrow Friday also Friday morning here oh this is going to be really hard to coordinate if people can't even be on the same day doing the show no no I've been looking at this map of time zones trying to figure out how to possibly work and it's so interesting there's this whole area of the world where within the same time zone things are several hours apart it's probably all it has to do with the curvature yeah so it's UTC plus 5 NC Mumbai is 11.08 am and then okay that's 11.08 am is 10.38 am see if we go there Bishkek is 11.38 you moved the camera with that sneeze that was wild there was another one I was looking at that was really interesting all these things that are really close together were separated by like strange amounts it was really weird like a half an hour here a half an hour there and then like two hours and yeah yeah yeah no seriously Pamela hacked my phone so that when we were doing meaningless words my phone's alarm would be set to remind me wow wow wow but a half an hour before the show my phone alarm would go off and be like what would be like meaningless words like oh no way I don't know how I managed to get Justin to this show every week I'm still up I'm here you're quite enough to kick him in the shins I can't kick him in the shins alright everybody I'm gonna disappear I'm gonna go eat some dinner Blair needs to go eat breakfast and have class and have a full day and I gotta go to the Philippines you have to go to the Philippines today yeah this wasn't the smartest planning I've ever done and it's Friday great and it's Friday afternoon for Pamela so you know it's time to shove off from work pretty soon weekend alright everybody have a science weekend thank you so much for hanging out and watching and Blair yes you better come home if it gets weird I will I promise come home now it's soon enough there's already been there they don't have camels in the zoo drop the mic out and everybody out there I guess if you're in the United States have a great Thanksgiving if you do celebrate it and if you don't celebrate it you know just have a day of thanks because it's kind of fun to say thank you it's kind of nice to be around people yeah it's nice to be around people and say thank you thank you for the food thank you turkeys