Good morning. Welcome back to Why In The Morning. My name is Joanne Muchache. You are watching the Y254 channel and this is specifically The Health Show. And so, you guys, I've posted some questions. I want you guys to talk to us about Answer Us as we have in this discussion. And the way you can do that is through our social media handles. That's on Facebook and Twitter. That's Y254 channel. And on Instagram, it's Y254 underscore channel. I can be found, enjoy underscore channel. Today, we have a guest that is focusing on the ear, particularly musky or hizzy. Yes, what you are using to listen to us. Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about today. And his name is Mr. Isaac Wahome. He is based in Kemadhi House and he'll tell us the name of his clinic and exactly the kind of focus – sorry, the kind of practice he focuses on. Karibouni Sana, join me in meeting him. Welcome. Thank you, Jo. Yeah, welcome. Yeah, my name is Isaac Wahome. Yeah. I practice at the Texter Hearing Center in Kemadhi House. And it really is a great privilege to come and talk about the hearing, which is a very important tool when it comes to communication and talking. Hearing is so important that we can never ignore at this age and time. That's true. Yeah. That's true. Because we can't have this conversation unless we're hearing each other or using some kind of sign language. Exactly. Okay. So, in practice, basically, it's helping out on people who have lost hearing. And you know, in Africa, alone, more than, you know, eight million have lost hearing. In the world, close to 466 million people have lost their hearing, have disabled hearing loss. Hold on. Could you state those figures again? That was interesting. Yeah. In Africa? So, the Diplych actually says that 466 million people have lost hearing worldwide. Yeah. Africa alone is like nine million people with hearing loss. Wow. Children, if you talk about children, every 200,000 children who are born with hearing loss in Africa, that means like two out of, you know, 100 children have hearing loss, which is a huge deal. And when you're talking about young people, it's really a big impact because of factors like noise and other things that we shall talk about, of course, that can lead to hearing loss. I see. Yeah. So, it's really an important topic to talk about in our community today and in the world that we are living today and here in Kenya. Yes. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And that's wonderful. It sounds like you're well versing your area. Yeah. But whilst you're talking, you told me that you've been practicing general medicine for about 25 years. And after that, you decided to specialize in the air. Okay. May I ask why the interest in the air? Why not? Because I know ENT is ear, the nose and the throat. Okay. And sometimes when doctors open a practice, they focus on all of them. Okay. But you decided to focus on the air. Okay. What was it about the air that drew your interest? Okay. So if you look at basically, generally in medicine, it's helping out.  But you look at the air, which is a really a tiny organ that is so important that it reflects the emotions and the hearts and everything that goes through here to the heart. So if you look at people who have lost hearing and they've become disabled, they can't hear anymore. These are kind of special people that are either stigmatized, they are people who are neglected from their communities. And if you look at the majority of people, for me, it's children, pregnant women, and they're all elderly people who if they lose hearing, they lose contact with their family members, with their communities. So there's that detachment that is there with a person with a hearing loss. So for me, my focus is basically to try, you know, with together with the team and other people to bring on these people and reconnect them back to their community. That's really one of the passions that moves me towards hearing. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. And passion driven means I'm sure you'll get to achieve that. And now we can focus more about the reason why we are here. Because we're here to talk specifically about hearing and how we can educate people about it and also spread some awareness about it and also reduce the number of hearing losses. The reason why I pointed out the statistics that you said in the beginning is because I feel like those numbers are quite large. And I feel like we need to find a way to prevent these numbers. Yeah. And before we can talk about prevention, maybe we can talk about causes. Yeah. Yeah. And as we're talking, you guys do remember, hashtag why in the morning, hashtag help on Monday and do go on our Facebook and our Twitter and talk to us and answer our questions or post your own questions to Mr. Isaac Wahome and to myself. Yeah. And so let's just go back to what we're discussing. The causes of hearing loss. What's the largest and biggest, most common one that people need to know? So basically the causes, they categorize like the three commonest categorization and the simplest categorization of hearing loss is one is what we call the conductive hearing loss, which means is the mechanical blockage of sound from the, you know, the outer ear going to the ear drum. Because the ear is basically, you know, the easiest way I can say is categorized into three parts, the outer part and then we have the middle part and then the inner part that is basically when you're talking about the nerve. So the one type is a conductive type, which is a mechanical type of loss.  And then the other type on the middle part of the ear, sometimes you can have some fluid inside there as a result of cold or something like that. And then we have the inner part, which carries now the nerve, the nerve that transmits sounds from the outer part to the brain. And that is a sensory type of hearing loss. And that one can be caused by many things, including drugs, including genetic problems, including, you know, trauma, like, you know, like just trauma to the ear or a trauma or even just falling, like, you know, accidents, you know, it's very common. Like nowadays all of us are going on border border. And we are told to wear helmet for safety. And, you know, so many people have lost their hearing because of just, you know, falling down on the roadside, even just the motorbike or the bike, the bicycles themselves just falling down and get trauma to the ear. And it displays very tiny hairs inside there. Or even just in the part of, like the bone part, the bone part of the ear, of the ear. So you definitely lose your hearing from that. So the causes are very many of them. But of course, genetic plays a really big role. Genetics, very big role in hearing. I mean, like if you, if one person in your family has hearing loss, there's a chance that somebody else can have hearing loss in the family. I see. So that's basically a big chance. It can be passed down from like parents to children. For example, if a parent has hearing loss or is deaf, it can be passed down to their child. Yeah, it can run through the lineage of, you know, people with the hearing loss. Right.  Right. And then the other, of course, basically is very common in pregnant women, either during pregnancy or after, or just slightly after, you know, pregnancy or during delivery, which is a really common thing that we are seeing nowadays that, you know, kids are born either asphyxics or a hypoxic and they score badly and they tend to lose their hearing, you know, after that. And nowadays we even will talk about the management of these children that are born deaf, yeah, from the beginning. Wow. Oh my goodness. And in that case, where genetics have played a part, it's quite difficult for that parent to even try and prevent. It's quite difficult. Yes. And so let's say now that we've covered genetics playing quite a part and that cannot be controlled. Now that we're out of genetics, what are some of the other ways people can get hearing losses you have mentioned? Yes. But then the pregnancy one actually has piqued my interest. I don't think I've heard that before. This is news to me. Yeah. So in pregnancy, infection during pregnancy, sometimes even trauma during pregnancy and the biggest role is the medication during pregnancy because people get sick and, you know, they use some medications that can hurt, you know, their unborn baby and that can cause hearing loss and during delivery we are saying that for when you have prolonged, you know, labor, you can tend to have some hearing loss just because based on that. And so really pregnancy is so important and especially in Kenya when you're talking about beyond zero and other things in terms of, you know, reducing the mortality. Exactly. I think one of the most important things to talk about is every child who is born should be tested for hearing and we can do that. You know, immediately a baby or a newborn is born. Immediately we have a newborn. We can do some hearing test for that and we can actually ascertain whether they are hearing loss. And you know with hearing loss, the earlier you treat it the better it is because children tend to speak from what they hear. In other words, children are like a big bucket so they just consume words and they speak later. Like a sponge. Yeah, they just absorb all that and you realize that most of the children that we meet them, they tend or parents tend to bring children to hearing clinics where it is too late when they cannot be able to speak. So which is too late and we're advising the, you know, the public is that get your child tested as early as possible.  And whilst we're doing this test because sometimes we go to, and before we talk about that, please you guys, I need you guys to go to our Facebook and actually respond to some of the questions I've posted there as well as post some of your own from Mr. Isaac Wahome. It's going to be an interesting discussion. Yeah, let's go on. You know when it comes to the chat, the discussion which you're having just now, sorry to slip my mind for some reason. Yeah, you know when you're talking about prevention of hearing loss and when you're talking about testing for newborns. Testing, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, you're talking about testing of newborns. I was talking about testing of newborns and you know how sometimes you test the whole body. Yeah. And it's true most of the time we do test our newborns and make sure we're, oh, is everything okay? The chest, the lungs, or the heart, everything, you know, the feet working fine. Absolutely everything is checked. And then people just kind of forget to check everything up here. Maybe eyesight will be checked, but then the ear may be neglected in most times. And I feel like we need to kind of push that when you're getting your newborn checked, just to be sure that everything's going to be perfectly fine with their hearing. Some of the things you can do is get them tested in their ears as well and not just the vital lungs. I know they're vital, but everything needs to be checked out and looked at. And you know when we're, once this happens and unfortunately in some cases someone is left and they completely lose their hearing. After they've lost their hearing, is there a particular scientific name for it? And if not, what are some of the instruments that you use? What, what, how could I say the variation of them? Because I see sometimes, and there's a, actually those are forum I attended at the, at the Kenya School for Deaf. And I could like all the, some of the hearing aids, so different kinds of variation. I was like, I was like, I wonder why they're so different. Of course they can all be the same, but maybe you can touch on that. Sure. You know, so when you're talking about management of hearing loss, you know, the first type that I talked about, the conductive type, basically can be managed either surgically or medicine or with medications.  There's some sudden type of hearing loss that can be treated with medications and you, you know, it resolves. But now when you have hearing loss that is permanent because hearing loss can either be temporary or can be permanent. So the permanent type is the one that basically involves the inner ear or involves the nerve. So this type of hearing loss basically requires rehabilitation. And one of the ways we rehabilitate is by giving, you know, listening devices and the commonest type of listening devices to one of them is a hearing aid and a cochlear implant. And rightly like you said, when you're talking about a hearing aid, there are so many types of hearing aids, some of them are put behind the ear, around here, some of them just, you know, outside here and some are inside the ear. And I mean, that is the kind of variation you have. And when you're talking about the hearing aid, you have to look, you have to be tested first for a hearing problem. And then we are certain, okay, what level of hearing problem you have, and then from there we can select, and then from there, we can select which hearing aid we are going to give you.  They're cool things to wear because they can track your blood pressure nowadays. They can track your, you know, your sleeping pattern.  It's, you know, in elderly people we say you can have cognitive decline, like, you know, memory loss or dementia. And one of the ways that, you know, scientists have come up with is we are able now to track your brain. We are able to track how active you are and, you know, your blood pressure, your general health with a hearing aid, you know, so nowadays hearing aids are becoming so cool and with a lot of technology. Previously, the hearing aids we have, they wouldn't control the environment, environmental noise and all that. And they're so cool. This gadget is so cool that, you know, they have come in a big way to help out in adults and in children. And in children, one of the ways that they're helping out is, you know, in classrooms, they can be able to reduce all the background noises and they can be able to go sit with the teachers. And the hearing aid reduces background noise so that the child can concentrate on the one voice of the teacher. So basically what the hearing aid does is that it amplifies everything. Okay.  For instance, when you're talking, when you're talking, you are talking and then you're pausing in between. But when there's noise, it's just like, blah, blah, blah, continuous kind of, you know, noise. So the hearing aid will be able to tell, okay, this is a human being speaking and this is noise and it will reduce the noise and concentrate on the human being that is speaking. So this is how so cool about the hearing aids. Now I see why you're calling it cool. That is pretty cool. That's amazing. Really? And you know, I'm not trying to say wish I could know, but how many times have we thought, I wish I could just drown out all the background noise? Just when you're walking in the streets, it's so much. You're right. It's just like, oh man, if I could only silence everything. But you know, that's a whole different way of looking at things. And I think that is very cool that this technology is working in such a way, especially to focus on children. Because being in school, sometimes you are, I don't know, some children are not concentrating too well. Some are talkative, some are whispering. And if you're wearing the hearing aid, it might pick it up. And so the technology has made it so well and cool, as you said, to the point that it drowns everything out. And this child can focus on what the teacher is saying. And when it comes to, sorry, it looked like you had something to say. Yeah, I mean like when you're talking about the devices that we are using now in school and streaming what you call live streaming of the teacher and so on, you realize that a child with the hearing loss, they will never, they'll never concentrate with the environment because they're in their own world, they're isolated. Some of them have this stigma and fear within themselves and they just live in their own world. And when you put a device like a hearing aid and they can hear the signals back, you're bringing back to the community. I mean like for instance, I had one child with one side, he couldn't hear from one side and the other side was okay. And when we tested, after we tested the hearing loss, a hearing and then we were, you know, the mother asked innocently, why didn't you say that you couldn't hear from this other ear and the child was like, I thought that's how we're supposed to hear. And you see, this is what happens. That's what they believe. They believe like everybody is not hearing. And they're just talking. They're just looking at their lips. They just lip read and they develop that skill so well that they can actually tell what you are about to say or what you're saying just by reading your lips. And mothers don't understand that, that the child, they start seeing some signs and symptoms like probably this child is ignoring me. The TV is quite loud. The child likes loud environments. Most of the time it's not concentrating and all those kind of things. When I call him after calling several times. I mean like they are beaten most of the time. Why can't you hear? I'm calling you and you just can't blame anything else. It's just hearing loss. It's a huge problem. Yeah, that's pretty sad. And most of the thing, the reason why actually I absolutely love the health show is because everything that we discuss opens people's minds up.  And something so simple as that, this is what we're doing here. We're trying to let people know that look, you might want to check deeper. You might want to stop caning somebody and let them check their hearing checked out.  You might want to go and check that out instead of letting it out on your child. And thank you so much for doing that. Thank you for coming to share with us. And as we continue, because I'm waiting for your responses to Fadali, Isaac Wahomey wants to hear your questions and he wants to answer them straight to you. And if you don't, I say tapata until next Monday. Yes, but let's go on. So, you know, there's something you told me when we're talking once again that here in Kenya, the practice for the focus on the ear is so low. You said that there is only three in the whole country. And in Nairobi County itself, there's one which happens to be you.  You're the only one providing a certain service. I'm sure, you know, I can't say that this competition is there. And why, why aren't people studying on this? What's the reason? Are people not interested in the ear? Are they too fearful about it? Or is there not enough information and awareness about it? Really, you know, hearing is a teamwork.   And the now where I fall is a hearing instrument practitioner. Hearing instrument practitioner. Yeah, which means, you know, like in the country, we are only three of us who have been trained, me being here in Nairobi, and the two guys are basically international guys. You know, we are really few, but we are working and it's a growing industry, it's a growing industry. And hearing loss, it's not well known. It's not like malaria, it's not like pneumonia.   So most people just suffer in silence. Yeah, they just suffer in silence because it's painless. And it's a disability that you can see. And even the cost, even the services that are provided, there are very few places where you can go for a hearing check. And, you know, it's a field that really needs a lot of public awareness, especially in our country here in Kenya. We really need to have a lot of awareness on the hearing problem. And for young people, you know, we'll talk about young people, but it's an industry that affects all of us in one way or another, either by people who are surrounding us or people who have hearing loss. Because hearing loss basically, it has some stages. There are people who, when they have a hearing loss and you tell them, they deny, they just coil up and deny, there's no way I can lose my hearing. There's no way I can, you know, I cannot be hearing. Because this essentially now makes them unfortunately disabled. And nobody wants to be labeled that. Exactly.  And we are really, you know, with WTO and other organizations in Kenya, you know, we're trying to sensitize people that if you have a hearing problem, check your hearing. You know, the WTO came up with a brilliant tool that you can do your hearing test at home with your phone. Just download the application from the WTO. Have your hearing. And once you have a problem with your hearing loss, you need to look for a designated hearing care professional to have your hearing checked. And probably you can be treated. It could be just wax. You know, common problems. It could be just wax. Yeah. Just a foreign body or kid who has just put a rubber or a pencil or a piece of paper inside there. Oh, yeah. Something shouldn't, yeah, foreign body, like you said. And you know, I want us to look at these comments. But before we look at them, there's one thing I want to bring up because the questions that we asked, you know, there's this in the, I think it's in the 80s, was it? There's these rock bands, the upcoming rock bands, like when rock used to be rock, like with the, with the screaming and with the craziness and attending a concert. I used to see people like doing this to their ears just to make sure their ears are still there. And a lot of rock stars were being asked, how do you go through this? Like you're going through this, you're, you're all the time, every month, a couple of times a month. And aren't you worried for your hearing? And they used to kind of surround this whole thing. And even parents used to tell us, don't listen to rock music. It'll spoil your ears. But we're not going to focus on one genre. We're going to talk about the loudness of music. And if my producers can now put up the question, put up the questions, please. We can talk about now the, because most of times I use it easy to not to hear. Everywhere you go in Nairobi, everyone has earphones in their ear. You're not going to walk without earphones. If you do, you're not cool or you're just boring. I don't know. Everyone has an earphone in their ear with music. People maybe just listen to their news. And sometimes when you share an earphone with somebody, you're like, hey, I'm going to make a loud.  I'm going to make a loud. Then I'm like, uh-huh, a sign. I'm going to make a loud. Can we please talk about some of the things to me? It's music and loud noises and nothing. I guess people go clubbing, but constant clubbing or DJs with constant earphones and constant music all the time. Is there any effect to that? Or is there no effect? Sure. So I mean, like noise. We call it noise-inducing loss. It's a huge problem. Noise-induced hearing loss. Yeah. And it can either, like you said, it can either be an occupational problem or a social problem. Occupational people who are working in industries that are really noisy. Oh, yeah. Factories. Yeah. Factories and so on. They tend to lose their hearing just from work. And then the social places. Could you please hold your microphone in the middle? Yeah. So the matatos, the clubs and so on. So just the moment you go inside there, you tend to be in an environment that is noisy.  So that one, we usually call it a temporary shift. You know, like your ear has to adjust to that noise.  Now there are people who have lost instantly their hearing from, you know, loud music. No. Yeah. You just lose like that.  They keep bending. Every time there's loud sound, they bend. Every time they do like that. So that bending basically breaks them, breaks the hairs. And once you get that, you get a permanent type of hearing loss.   And it's permanent. Wow. That's interesting. And you've had some of the ways we lose our hearing. And right now, I want to get back to you guys. Our viewers want to talk to you and to answer some of the questions. Thank you, Mr. Mohamed. Thank you so much for being here because some of these, I'm sure I can't get through, but let's see. We have Mr. Steve Kihiu saying, watching from Muranga, I rarely use earphones and I clean my ears using water. And I think the question that was asked is what's safer to use between water and earbuds to clean your ears? Which one is safer? How do we clean them nicely? So for us, we say don't put anything inside the ear.  In other words, what it means, don't do anything. Don't put anything. Because the ear is a conveyor belt. It just does like self-cleaning. It removes wax from or dirt from inside there to outside here. So the only thing you can clean is the outer part with a cotton. I mean like with a towel.  Just outside here.  That's what we usually say. So the way we used to, you know, my mom used to put me to sleep by putting my head on her lap. My body here and my head would be here. And then she told me, okay, it's baby don't move. And then she do this. And I was gone in like two minutes. I was asleep. It was the best feeling. And there are many people, you see, because I was like, of course, that is wrong. Yeah. I mean, like that kind of feeling of putting inside there, I've seen so many people who have pushed their ear drum inside there, sometimes accidentally being pushed. They come in the clinic with, you know, a retained part of the cotton bud and so on.  And itchiness is what is like a cycle. You start it, you don't stop.  And that's what happens. And we usually say, don't do anything like that. Just leave it. If you feel like your ear is blocked, if you feel itchy, there's a problem. You need to see your anti-doctor. And you need to put all sorts of things in their ears. Depends on the communist things. They injure that. They get infections after that. You know, they put all sorts of things. And then the other question there is about the connections between the ear and the nose. Yes. That's from Mr. Joffrey Mishayui. Thank you, Mr. Joffrey Mishayui. Yes. Definitely. There's a connection between the nose and the ear. There's a tube that connects the ear with the nose that we call the stretching tube. And basically the function is just to equalize the pressure between the inner part or the middle part and the external part. So that is a connection that is there. And for children, and sometimes adults, it's very important because sometimes fluid that is retained inside there, what we call middle ear fusion, can cause hearing loss. It's very common, especially with children who have big adenoids or things like those ones. They get fluid retained there and they have to be done maybe a surgical procedure or maybe treated so that that fluid can be drained and they can regain their hearing. So sometimes you realize if you're climbing a mountain or you're going on a high altitude, your ear is blocked. It's basically that part that is collapsed. Oh, it has collapsed. And then as you're coming down from that area, there's a pain. Yeah, because, you know, the ear drum moves inside there. So that movement of the ear drum, because that collapse is what puts the ear drum inside and it causes some excruciating pain. Interesting how the body works just so the body can work. Yeah, it's so organized. Everything God has made the ear and the nose so organized. Yeah, it's too deep. Skylar music. He's saying earphone use because we're asking how long do you wear your earphones because there's some all the time. Yeah, all the time. So for the earphones, one of the most important thing is the time, the duration of time you're using, the type of earphones that you're using and the loudness you're getting into because the more the length, the type, the type and the volume and the volume that you're using. So if you're using high volumes for a long duration of time, it means that you start getting gradual hearing loss.  I see. Okay.  I can't lie. There are times when I'd like to listen to music and block everything out. Could you maybe advise me on safe use of earphones? Yeah. So one of the safe way we use, sometimes we encourage people to download applications like one of the applications called Hear Angel, even for children. Hear Angel. Yeah. So these applications that they control how much time you're spending on your phone or your laptop or your iPad, and they can tell you sometimes, okay, you need a break. And sometimes they cut off that whatever, switch it off so that you can have a break. And sometimes now all the manufacturers are mandated, you know, to make sure that they make you aware that if you exceed a certain volume, for example, if you exceed 80%, then they give you that warning, okay, this one might be harmful. It even says there on the phone, listening at higher volume would be harmful. Yeah. Exactly. So we usually say 80, the rule of 80, it should be less than 80%, always, always. And you should spend, you know, very few hours down there, maybe, you know, not more than two hours. And you should always have like a break in between and so on. So Mr. Skyler, he has the right idea. He may listen in the morning when he's going to work. Yeah. And in the evening when he's coming home. And that should be okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And the type, I'm interested about that. Why is a type, why does a type of earphone play a part in hearing loss? One of them is the quality of the hearing, the earphones. Number two is, you know, the earphones, the way we put them, you know, we like to put them quite inside there so that we can feel the bass.  It goes round like to that. And the first beat is where you have the bass and the apex part is where you have the small, you know, high frequency kind of sounds. And we like by the time it reaches to the high frequency, you're using the low frequencies and the low frequencies is the bass. So it means to start killing the high frequencies and before the bass.  Yeah. And what we call the high frequency hearing loss, very common with elderly people. That's what they lose. And the more you use earphones and the more you push inside there and the more you like the bass, the more you lose your high frequencies. The one that I get scared about is, you know, in the Matatus, there's some, there's a way that you can place the microphones, the speakers in such a way that they're not going to harm your hearing. But then, like next to your ear on the corner, one is here, one is over here, and then you're just hearing some sharp loud. And I'm thinking to myself, if that's your ride every morning, maybe that's your favorite, there might be some kind of effect that you get from that, as well as from the Makanga as well. They are on a daily basis, morning till evening. Easy Rutsa Rungai with a blasting music. And so I think we need to look at, we need to look close to home and kind of look at the things we're doing on a daily basis that can affect our hearing because hearing loss is not that far, you know, and it's a thin line between you're okay today, you're disabled tomorrow. And yes, that's it.  And so, some of the things we need to do right now are to kind of, as we wind up, let our people know some of the tips to keep hearing at the top, to keep our hearing at the best, so we don't keep pardoning people like, what should I say, like pardon me, just, and you can hear even someone whispering to you. What are some of the tips and how to keep that longevity in good hearing? Okay, so one of the tips is that at least have an earplug every time you go to a Matatu or a club. Okay, I'll do that. Very simple.  The easiest way is to have an earplug. It reduces the sound or the noise. Number two is that to have your hearing regularly checked at least once a year if you're working in an occupational place that is noisy. And of course, that is a requirement by law in Kenya that all the places that are noisy has to be governed by some, you know, some regulations. Yes, of course. The other thing is that, you know, stop, people should stop this habit of, you know, self-cleaning and putting things inside the ear. Putting, you guys, I have to mention this again. Stop putting keys in your ears. Stop putting keys, pens, and matchboxes. Even earbuds, you shouldn't be putting them in your ears.  Yeah. So, I mean, like, that is something that is very important. And then we are talking about pregnant mothers and, you know, newborns that they have to be done. There's the hearing tests as early as possible. And then if you realize suddenly you have lost your hearing, go to your healthcare profession, especially the ENTs. What about the sudden ringing? Yeah. Sometimes there's a ring, which, yeah. So, should that also take you to go, to check, to get checked? Of course, you know, ringing, ringing in the, in the field of ENT we call it tinnitus. It's a sign that something is wrong. It's like when you have, you know, high blood pressure, you'll have headaches. So, one of the things that every person with a noisy or ringing or buzzing noise in their ears, probably there's, there's a problem with the hearing.  It's a very common symptoms that comes with hearing. Sometimes if you have pain in the ear, blocked noses, and all those kind of things, they need to be managed so that you have better hearing.  So, at least when you're speaking loudly or when they're telling people to repeat after them, have your hearing checked. Have your hearing checked. You have advised us wonderfully, Mr. Oahome. I'd like for you to tell us, to tell our viewers where they can find you, just in case we need our hearing instruments or in case their viewers who have people that need these hearing instruments. Exactly where are you based? So, you can come at Kemadihau Seventh Floor. That's where Dexter Hearing Center is. Dexter Hearing Center. Yeah, we can check your hearing. We can advise you.  You can come there. We can discuss and we can help you out for news castles like you guys. We can do the ear, custom ear mold earphones. Really? Yeah, really, yeah. We'll talk after this interview. We shall talk. That is very interesting. We do have to wind up this wonderful discussion. I had a blast actually talking to Ms. Aizak Oahome. That was great and thank you so much you guys for actually interacting with us. I love you people for that. We shall be here next Monday at 7.30 sharp to do another health segment on another different topic. Thank you so much for coming through. Thank you. Upcoming right now is Hildo Adidi with Youth and Politics. My name is Joy Mochache.


Good evening. I'm Dick Jones. I'm the 2022 president of the American College of Dentists. One of the missions of the college is to enhance leadership. And one of our important initiatives is to enhance our sections. Because they're the operational arm of our most important endeavors. It's pretty well known that the Ontario section has consistently been one of the strongest sections in the college. Having been their region for four years. In conversing with their current region Terry Norris. It's clear that much of their success is due to leadership. But what's the secret of their leadership success. And can it be replicated in other sections. We've asked some of the Ontario section leaders to show their experience tonight. And I'd like to begin by asking the participants to introduce themselves. Indicate their current past positions in their tenure service the sections in any capacity not necessarily elected. But I want to start with Regent Terry Norris. I am Terry Norris. I'm the current Regent for Regency for as President Jones has said I am in my third year as Regent so I have one and a half years left. You know and it's been my distinct pleasure to work with so many good people. And I think I've seen some of the sections later a tremendous amount of ground work. And all I had to do was come and continue what he started but and becoming Regent and getting to know the individuals, not only in Ontario but in the other sections. You know I've come come to appreciate where these sections come from where they're going. How they do what they do they're not all alike. They have strengths they have weaknesses. But the camaraderie that I see in Ontario and their meetings and at the national meeting is just fantastic I mean they come in full force. There's an excitement there. And they're they're not content just to go with the status quo they want to do better than the year before. They have a great sense of fostering leadership. And when they have a change of administration they don't miss a lick so it's my pleasure to work with Ontario and as President Jones has said. In years past. Ontario is like Kentucky on steroids, the down home demeanor the friendliness the camaraderie reminds me so much of my own section that it's a delight to to talk with individuals from Ontario and to go to their meetings so I love what you're doing keep it up. I'm here to help and any way that I can, you know how to get a hold of me and it's my pleasure. Well, I'll start with a question for. Well actually I want to continue with the introductions. So, so needed. We'll start with you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Dick. Very, very happy inviting us. My name is Sunita Joshi. And this is my third year with with the ACD I was brought on as the spear liaison with the University of Toronto and last year I did the same but this year currently I'm the secretary, and I'm also the spear liaison and been helping with the newsletter and I think I just got nominated to be to look at our website as well so like we like everybody else on on the ACD Ontario, we wear many hats, and it's my pleasure to be part of this involvement. Thank you. Brenda. Thank you also for the introduction, and thanks for the opportunity to be speaking with everyone. My name is Brenda Thompson, and I've been part of the executive for at least five years so I have learned a lot thanks to having had the opportunity to follow me from being secretary to chair to pass chair, and then thanks to Sonya Sluida who helped that me and train me as a co editor of our newsletter. I'm now the newsletter editor with a great committee of help helping me with that newsletter it's almost finished. As well as now we're, we've created another committee that's going to be our membership committee to help us do our best to retain our good fellows and be aware of what's value for us. And I think that being part and part of all these committees really helps us get to know what our fellows are looking for and what they truly need in from the college. Thank you. Thank you. Sonya. Thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to speak to everyone. And I was actually brought on by Brenda, probably four years ago, five years ago it's blending. And I'm currently the Vice Chair so and as well as I'm wearing a few other hats. I'm the continually education committee chair which we, it's a new committee that we started this year. I've been the sponsorship chair for probably two years, and prior to that I was the newsletter editor for probably three years maybe before I'm not sure. And, but like Sonita and Brenda say, we're on a lot of committees and we tend to interact between committees but it, it gives us an opportunity to see what everybody else is doing. Thank you. In saving the best for last bunny. I think you're saving the oldest person on the executive for last anyway thank you very much Dick and Terry I'm Bonnie Chandler I am the I'm a past chair of the Ontario division, and I've stayed on as treasurer. So I think I've been on the executive for about seven or eight years. As I say I'm the oldest one, not the oldest but the long standing on the executive. As well as being treasurer. I, as Sonya said we're quite fluid we, we help each other out all the time. Our committees overlap quite a bit and with Sonya's new continuing education committee, which I can see will be very busy when she takes on her presidency in November. That there'll be some help required. Bonnie, broadly speaking, what would you say the age ranges of the active current active participants. You mean on the executive. Not, not just the elected officials, but people that are actually actively serving the Ontario section doing committee work or whatever. I would, I don't know how old you are but I think you're the youngest. 39 something like that. So I would say I'm guessing everybody help me out here. I'm saying the average age might be about 5560. Of course being age. In the top age, the oldest. I think Paul, Paul, yes Paul's in his 70s. I think he might be 73. Anybody know. That's good. About how many people would you say are actually actively involved doing committee work, maybe not sharing a committee, but participating and contributing. I would say about nine of us. And what do you suppose the ranges of is of years of active participation. I would say probably five years. Well I think you've been active for at least seven I think. Yes I have. Didn't you say average. Yeah, yes. Yeah. Oh no I said range range. So yes I would say one year to probably seven years. Is Drew still active, Drew Smith. No Drew step down. He must have been active for at least eight years. Oh, or, or more. Yes, or more. Well, if you have any questions you jump in. Let me ask you a question, Bonnie and this is to the whole group. How do you find perspective leaders to take places of people rotating off for example, Drew's been active for quite some time and now he's rotated off. How do you identify people that can come in and work their way up. I think the answer that I think by and large, we look at the organizations. And we look at people that we've served with another organizations and committees and stuff. And what we do is we, if we think they're going to be a good fit. We ask them if they would be interested and if they would be interested and say no commitments yet we have to, you have to give us your resume, and then we run the resume past the, the executive. So that's one way which we do it. Do you have a list of people you're looking at who could be ready to come into the rotation come into the executive. Well I think that's going to be part of the membership committee or nominations and awards and not sure which committee, but we're trying to get a more Ontario is a big province so we're trying to identify people in each section so it's not all Toronto centric. So, and from there people will say well you know, does anybody know anything about this person are they any on any committees that sort of play. If I can just jump in as Sonya said one of the things is that we've all been with organized dentistry for quite a long time. And you know through that we've made contacts with other people on other executives and you know we know who we've worked with we know who who was sort of involved and we'll get get sort of get get involved in committees and do the work as somebody was just going to sit on the sidelines. And, you know, we actively go out and sort of ask our colleagues if they're interested like Sonya and Brenda and myself are meeting up with an individual next week who I work with all three of us have worked with that at another executive and sort of invited them to say come you know let's talk this and let's let's introduce you to the ACD. So these are people we know that are going to do the work we're not just going to sit on the sidelines so I think that's one of the things we we select leaders. It sounds like even once you've identified somebody that you think is going to be good it sounds like you have a mentorship process going on Brenda described how Sonya mentored her to be edited. Yes, and actually, when you have a mentorship program. It really helps for the person being mentored to build their confidence in the position that they're holding. And, you know, the way Sonya was so great about mentoring me as the newsletter editor. The opportunity, the newsletter committee has an opportunity to mentor a new person moving forward that's going to eventually assume the position as newsletter editor, so that we're not dropping somebody into position where they're like, you know, it might take too much of their volunteer time. If we help them, we, you know, give them names and lists and every detail that we can, we allow them to eventually take over that position and be successful. And that's what we want to have somebody in a position that's successful. Thank you. It's interesting that you, your leaders hang around because in some sections, I see them barely make it through their three or four year responsibility and then they head for the hills. And if I can just make a comment about that because I was really thinking about it, why have I been around so long, and it's, first of all, Sonya Sanita and I were great friends from another organization. So we are friends. We were friends before we started together with ACD, but since joining the ACD on the line, I had the opportunity to work and be mentored also by Bonnie Chandler. So then Bonnie and I became friends, the same with Wayne and Paul. So we've all had an opportunity to become friends by working together so it's not just that we're volunteers doing some work that we feel we must. We've also become very good friends. So it's a good working relationship but on a very, very friendly basis. So I've known your section for seven years I believe since 2015. And there's been some fantastic leaders, some of whom we've lost. There's one in particular that I've always felt was like the godfather of your whole section. Jack McClister. Talk about Jack McClister and how he brought people in, mentored people. Well, I can certainly say a few words, Dick, thank you very much. Jack was a very close friend of mine. And for decades of course, and being practicing in London together and we talked together at the university for decades as well. So, Jack was always an advocate for organized dentistry. And along the way, he would just say to me, I, here's something I think you would like to do. As a matter of fact, I think you would really like to do this. Give this a thought.  And of course, along the way, I'm pretty sure that he nominated me for a CD and once I was became a fellow, then he directed me to come to the meeting, the annual general meeting and of course I knew a lot of people and he got me interested and then moving towards coming on to the executive. So he was, he was really a great person to facilitate the movement of people by getting to the organization and see whether they, if they might fit somewhere. And but he was always so positive in his leadership and so convincing. So he did target people, I know that there's, there's other people in other positions that he did target and he got moving along. For example, Brock Nicolucci is basically he calls Jack his, his uncle, I think he's his godfather actually, and Jack moved him right along and now he is President-elect of the Ontario Dental Association. So his, his influence is still being strongly felt everywhere and Brock is an ACD fellow of course. So close to Jackson involvement, he didn't just do a job and then and then walk away as you say, Dick, he, he went on to do great things with Spia at Western, and he really supported that group and got them moving. He attended every function. You know, the last function he attended was just before he passed and before COVID would not allow in person meetings and I took him. And he was sick, but he went and he stayed. So an extraordinary man. And we benefit and we're still going to benefit for years to come because of his deep down, you know, influence and reaching into, you know, talking with people, and it's going to come right into the next five years, the Spia graduates, because he, he was integral part of their understanding of organized dentistry and ACD. And so I think what else can I say, good friend he's gone too soon. When we talk about leadership in Ontario. And this is for for all of the executive. Give us a little idea of the of how your executive is made up. How often you communicate what you communicate about to keep Ontario running. Well there's a there's a lot in the answer to that question. We certainly have a strong executive where everybody is participating. And they're focusing on one area or the other, but everybody helps. So I think when we talk about our Education Committee, we have Sonya taking that on and she has three or four board people and executive people on the committee and the same thing with newsletter. There's a collaboration there, and it's moving on now to incorporate another person to mentor for for next year. So we're meeting once a month, we have an agenda and we hit the highlights. And I basically try as chair this year to create an agenda that's going to be a working document, but I also ask for input to make sure that everybody's ideas are brought forward. And sometimes things come up and I get an email the night before the week before and say this is important to think we put this in. And of course we managed to do that. And I think we can meet the meetings to an hour and hour and a half, and it's working, you can get a lot established. And I think the reason we can be so efficient is that a lot of our work. And a lot of our questions we ask each other beforehand than an email here and email there and things get sorted out. And there is a great building of ideas and reference material and making a decision after that becomes fairly straightforward. Our board meetings aren't strictly working on agenda items that we haven't talked about before we're coming in with a good knowledge base, and we're coming in with a good understanding of how people feel and their ideas. And it makes it so much clearer and so much better. People are very attentive to supporting between meetings and because there's so many details and when the details are hammered out the meetings flow easier and decisions come easier. I find it interesting that you meet once a month. I don't know of any other sections that communicate that frequently and apparently for Ontario, it's led to your success and the leadership that you maintain. So your monthly meetings are very fruitful. They are indeed. And they're very enjoyable. We have fun meetings. So that's, that's the other thing we are basically good friends we haven't met in person for, you know, a dog's age but we are good friends and we respect each other and meeting once a month for a short meeting is actually a highlight to do that. We do have a yearly agenda and we were moving on things but actually right now we're expanding because we're looking at so much more with educational webinars and different offerings to our membership to the Regency. I'm coming up on February 24 with Dr. Ola Platska. And I think these are going to be really showcasing ACD through the Ontario section with what the educational offerings we are going to have. We're going to be quite delighted the educational committee has just been gung-ho. We have started with zero and now we have a list as long as your arm of speakers and speakers that have consented to speak. And we're sliding into time frames. It's just amazing what can be done. The newsletter always comes together. That's a lot of hard work. Just working on AGM nominations. There's a lot of things that you have to do year round. It's easier than all of a sudden being behind the eight ball. The agenda flows. I'm curious. There are sections that have maybe three officers and no committees. But this evening, I've heard each one of you has talked about this committee or that committee. Could you kind of tick off by memory the committees that you have? Well, we have a nominating committee. Larry Pulver is the chair. Sonya Sluuta is the chair of education. We have Brenda is in with the editor of the newsletter and she is looking at taking on a membership portfolio. Because we think that is such a critical part of our organization. I don't know if I missed anything there. What else we got going. We're also going to be working on a website committee, like just to keep maintain our website in order to keep it up to date and relevant to our fellows. Yeah, so don't look at it right now. We also have sponsorship committee. And I wanted to just say too that, you know, our executive meetings can be more streamlined because we do a lot of the committee work at the committee level now. So that a lot of we hash out a lot of the committee work with a smaller group and then Paul asked us to forward a report so then the committee chair would would present their report on whatever whether it's the newsletter sponsorship, and it keeps everything hopping on our executive meeting. I think that the reports also give us an opportunity to to make sure we're all on the same page. No one's going wrong. And so even though at the committee we're very familiar with what we're doing by bringing it by bringing our reports before we ever have a meeting. We have a chance to read the report, think about what's said, but also so that we're all mentally marching forward. I can see you have a great team right now. But that doesn't completely explain to me how it is that you had a great team, seven years ago or 15 years ago. Is there a structure or spirit that's added to your consistency. I want to speak to that. When we, when I was on the executive way back. We had Jack McClister, we had drew. We had some wonderful people on the executive. And I find that over the years, it just keeps getting better. And I think that the more active, more, more people are workers and, and they think ahead as to what could happen, what would happen and how we can improve our chapter. So I think it started off where maybe we had, I remember when Brian Chapnick asked me to come on the line and I was accepted. We only had maybe four or five meetings a year. And then it became each presidency had included some additional things, and that's I think how we got here. It just kept growing and snowballing in a very positive way. Bonnie you were chair. Four years ago, I think. I believe so. I've seen a lot of sections where the chair hung around for about two months and then they took off for the hills when they were done. So why are you hanging on. Well, I think because they, they needed the treasurer. And they wanted the treasurer to, to have at least a three year term. So I am, Paul, can I say it. I'm stepping down at the end of this at the AGM. I feel we need to give some fresh blood, for sure. I really enjoyed being on this executive. I've made some wonderful friends that I can see will be lifelong friends. And I just think it's the most wonderful experience. There's some things this evening that stick out to me. You have frequent meetings. I mean that by having a meeting more often. It doesn't have to be as long or as intensive, and you end up getting more things done. You have lots of committees. And you have a very large board, lots of leadership involved. It translates to distributing responsibilities in less burnout I see some sections where one or two people seem to do all the work.  And I also see a history of long service, even though, well Bonnie's a good example. Often we see a pattern of somebody serves as secretary of treasure for two or three years then they earn the right to, to move up and become chair. Bonnie's done the reverse. She served her time and she could have left but she stayed on and took on what I think is the one of the less desirable jobs that I applaud you.  You mean this is a paid performance. No, no, from the treasure, you know, she's had it for three years and we're still looking for it. Well, you shouldn't let her leave. We don't plan to we're going to put her on a committee somewhere. And she has to mentor the next person was she's too good to let go that's for sure. Absolutely. You know, Dick, one of the things I think you realize and I've said is the American College of dentist is probably one of the best kept secrets and dentistry. Has Ontario been able to make a presence within the ODA. Does your typical Ontario dentist know what the American College of dentist does, or is, and are, do you have a footprint in the ODA annual meeting. To that I don't know that everybody knows who we are and at present. However, we're addressing that for next year by really having almost every month, other than the summer months when everybody's at the cloud or to golfing. We're continuing education, and we've had for several years, sponsor a speaker who speaks either on ethics or a professionalism at the. It's called the winter clinic but it's a it's a large meeting. And the ODA to this point hasn't asked us but one of our goals as the continuing education program is to get an ethics person speaking where we're going to sponsor ethics person at the ASM. Although they that won't happen for at least three years because they actually booked three years in advance. So, from my perspective, if we want to get our foot point out that we're really trying to do that through continuing education. And I think it makes all the dentists sit up and going wait a minute, I know what you guys are doing. I think the other avenue, Dick is the fact that we have to extremely strong and active SPIA organizations and the students are active within their schools. And the people that know what they're doing know that it's associated with the American College. They certainly have a broad range of their own continuing education functions. You know, they have people on faculty that that know of them that are ACD fellows, for example, Dean Haas is an ACT member and Bertha Garcia director at Shulik Dentistry is an honorary member as of last year. So, through sprinkled throughout the faculties, and certainly a heavy number of our members are ODA executive members. So, we still have to light that fire as Sonya was saying we have to get on the list and be advertised a bit better as promoting with organizations are continuing education I think that is going to bring more light but certainly through white coat ceremonies and and such. The word is out, but we could do better. And I think we still will. We all have missed, I think an important answer to many of the questions that have been discussed tonight. Unlike many of our organizations which are transactional American College of Dentist is a mission based organization, which focuses all of us on the same point. We're all here for the same reason. And we all derive energy from working towards enhancing excellence leadership ethics and professionalism.  And I want to thank you for your outstanding contributions in the past tonight in the future. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you very much. I appreciate the invitation and all of us here at Ontario section that surely thought this was a real privilege to be invited.


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Welcome to another episode of frightfully forgotten horror movies, but before we get started. What are we drinking today? We're drinking leprechaun water Is he gonna try and steal it?  Yeah, it's funny all these dark Seedy gonna or movies in a Christmas The movie is written by Alan Ormsby who also wrote children shouldn't play with dead things and he also Wrote and co-directed a movie Covered a long time ago now in our first season called deranged the movie stars John Marley Who was famously in the Godfather?   It's it's Andy Yep, and no it can't be right that the mother's in complete denial So we see this truck driver that kind of stops at the side of the road He picks somebody up he pulls off into this diner. Oh, just a couple packs of smokes and some coffee Yeah, I gotta get going I'm running late. Who's there with you just some guy picked up He's kind of weird and he's a soldier it cuts back to the family the daughter wakes up And she hears noises downstairs while they're downstairs investigating it turns out Andy's home He is alive and the dad.   Yeah, and his neck's all torn open The dad's so distraught about the death of the dog but she but she did he goes to the local drinking hole Like anybody would do I think and gets right pissed friend walks in the doctor Well, maybe you could come and talk to him and go up to his room He's just rocking in this chair and Andy doesn't have much to say But he does find out that Andy got home hitchhiking and being picked up by a truck driver He also just finished examining the dead body of the truck driver, and he kind of puts two and two together, right? It doesn't have a house to go to yeah Doc goes back to his like office at the end of the night and picks up the phone You think he's gonna call the cops to let him know about Andy or think he's gonna change his mind He starts seeing all these things right shadows and hearing things Okay, maybe we'll talk to the cops and by that point the lines dead goes to the door and it's Andy I'm here for my checkup Oh Middle at night. There's no pulse. No blood pressure. No pulse. I died for you doc Yeah, and then he kills doc of taking some of dog's blood to rejuvenate himself because he's kind of slowly been decaying Andy's sister is trying to get him back into real life and sets up a double date Andy at this point just before he leaves he looks in the mirror and again He's all deteriorating and falling apart his hands are all crumbling So he puts on these gloves and puts on these sunglasses.  He's kind of blank Yellow eyes that's where we're gonna end the plot one of the best things about this movie believe it or not Even though you don't see a whole lot is the makeup, right? You make up and the effects which were done by the master Tom Savini This is one of his very first movies that he started out doing makeup on the lighting for this movie and like the shots And stuff are also very very good only light what they want you to see there's a lot of Darkness and that darkness is there for a reason because they don't want you to see they want you to wonder It's very professional. You have all these professional things going on on the low-budget movie. Yeah, which is interesting There's some neat ambitious shots in this movie zooms that come like right out of the window of the living room Yeah way far out things are done for a very specific reason in this movie It's just not like just throw up a camera and the shoot It's all planned out very well and another thing that's planned out well is the sound design It tells the story along with what you see.   Well, just leave him alone while he's making me nervous You know and like it's unsettling which brings us to the characters in the acting is fantastic Exactly and for a low-budget feeling movie that the actors are top-notch Oh, yeah, you know and you really feel their anguish you feel what they feel you like Lynn Carlin as the mom like when she finds out that Andy's dead Oh, she breaks down and it's like oh man you believe it Yeah, like feeling it with her the dad when he's starting to get all angry that Andy's not right and he's gets all Drunk and everything. He's super believable. He's frustrated. Why are you drinking? You know I am drunk Richard back is says Andy does a great job of just being this kind of blank Canvas he's so unnerving right soon as when they first opened the door and you see him standing there Yeah, this movie is basically just chalked full of like metaphors and it's got a lot of meaning behind the movie is saying something Exactly about war. Yeah, and you know these guys coming back from war The Vietnam War was still going on for another while year. Anyways, this war was different from other wars previous Which they kind of allude to right the old man. Oh, I came back from World War two. I didn't come back like that Nobody seems to understand these kids that came back and what they went through Andy coming back dead Exactly kind of like dead inside symbolizes these kids that came back from war PTSD and basically that dead inside they're not the same they're not the same person they were when they left the kid comes Back and the parents just naturally assume that life will resume like normal And they just want him to like snap back into normal life Like nobody seems to understand or even want to try and understand what he's going through or to give him time to Exactly or anything or just thinking like the next day things will return back to normal Yeah, well, that's not exactly the case and the movie also kind of has a bit of that Monkey pot theme to it where it's like yeah, be careful what you wish for you know because mom's like come home Yeah, please come home and Andy come home. He does come home, but it's not the Andy you wanted To come home, right exactly death dream is a very simple low-budget movie that works Perfectly it all clicks it all works very effective for what it does and for the story that it's trying to tell Right, it gets everything across Yeah So if you want like a good simple down-to-earth, but meaningful movie that's trying to save something about the time in which it was made And has you know a little point of view on the Vietnam war check out a death dream If you're a fan of like those orbs be movies, you know deranged and children shouldn't play with dead things and Tom Savini Right you like other Bob Clark movies like you know black Christmas. Well, then you have to check out death dream exactly It's it's up there and one of the best movies that those guys ever made I think so Yeah, yeah, because it's saying something unlike children shouldn't play dead things It's kind of like a schlocky horror movie. This movie is like it sets out to do something exactly, but it doesn't Jam it down your throat. Right. Yeah, please check out 1974's death dream and until next time keep drinking and dreaming


Hi everyone, Joe for jaspyscasebreaks.com, coming at you with 2020 Bowman Chrome Baseball, 12 box, random team break number five from jaspyscasebreaks.com. All teams are in an all card ship. That's pretty nice. Two on card chrome autograph per master box. Big thanks to all of these folks for getting into the action. All the baseball teams are in. So let's roll it, let's randomize it. Six and a two, eight times for each list. One, two, three, and eighth and final time. After eight, we got Ryan down to Chris. Six and a two, eight times for the teams. One, two, seven and eighth and final time. Good luck. We got the Yankees on top, down to the White Sox. Nice. All right, so Ryan, D, you have the Yankees. Richard with the Angels, Sean Maddock with the Pirates, Adam with the Padres, Sean Mercer with the Red Sox, Aaron Clark with the Braves, Ryan H with the Astros, Ryan C with the Indians, Kyle Cook with the Phillies, Ryan D with the Blue Jays, DJ with the Tigers, Zach with the Twins, John Samuelson with the A's, Darren Redding, you got the Rocks, Richard with the Mariners, DJ, you got my Dodgers, Lee with the Royals, Deborah with the Reds, Brad with the Giants, Tyler with the Brewers, Michael with the Metz, Mark, last bottom mojo, Orioles, Chris Walker with the Cardinals, Yancy with the Diamondbacks, Adam with the Rays, Richard with the Marlins, Michael with the Rangers, Aaron with the Nats, Richard, Maine version has the Cubs, there's another Richard Miller here to the shops with this, and Christopher P with the White Sox. There you go. Life's not fair Rex, if you don't buy a spot, you're not in the break. All right, so trades are allowed. Feel free to trade if you like. Red Sox up for trade, maybe Twins Red Sox, keep that checklist in your brain. Do I have a checklist for you? Yeah, here's a checklist group by team in the chat, that'll open up a PDF. Indians are up for trade as well. So I'm gonna pause the video when we come back, we're gonna see if there's any trades and then the break, stick around. All right, welcome back folks, there was a trade. Zach is out of the Twins spot and in the A spot. And John is in the, out of the A spot and into the Twins spot. He likes the Twins. So that I think maybe that trade worked out nicely. Let's print and rip. So there you go. On the 24th, 12 Vox, random team number five, 2020 Bowman Chrome Baseball. There it is. Thanks everyone for getting into the action. We've got little hoops action coming to a close. My Lakers up 112 to 108 on the Denver Nuggets with 23.2 seconds left. Not a lot of time, but not a lot of time. Let's make myself a little space right there. It's two, four, six, eight, 10 and 12 right here. All right, good luck everybody. Sorry Rex, what break idea was that? I must have missed it in the middle of all the trades. Do a blaster or a pack or at the end of the top spot gets an HTA full case broken for them? That'd be a pretty, I don't know if anybody would do that because you would have to divide the price of an entire HTA case. Divided by 30 in the blaster break. That'd be a lot. Just for one person to possibly get a case? I think I'd have a hard time convincing people to get into that. There's Kyle Lewis. I don't know if people are that spicy. All right, there's Kyle Lewis for the M's that'll be for Richard. There's Royce Lewis to 4.99 for the twins, John Samuelsson. Aristides Aquino goes to Debra. And Brady Whalen is our autograph. That goes to Chris Walker and the Cardinals. There you go, nice win Lakers. Nice win. And nice to tease Junior right here. And these purple shimmers are not numbered. There's Will Wilson to 150. And Kyle Lewis autograph for the Mariners. There you go, Richard. Nice to 4.99. Is this your AL rookie of the year? I need a different container for this. Oh, Rex, your argument said that people bought the Pelicans for 900 bucks? In a filler break? Yeah. But I think there's a chance of getting a Zion card that could be worth. I mean, what's the best card you can get? What's the best Zion card you can get? What does that go for? You know, think of, and what's the best card in here? What does that go for? I think the best Zion would go for tens of thousand dollars in a lot of the major products. And then the best thing you can get out of an HTA case is maybe a one of one Luis Robert. What would that Luis Robert go? I don't think as much as a Zion. So yeah, I don't know if that would work. There's a thick card down there on the bottom. Looks like some sort of Arizona fall league card looked like. Let's keep going. Kyle Mueller. There's a Luis Robert right there. Then do it and have the top 15 people win two random teams in a full case? I think at that point, I mean, we've been selling out these full cases almost at a quick of a clip as the picker teams. So no, I don't think that would, I don't think we would be interested. I mean, we haven't even had to do a filler for these random team breaks. So I think we would just go one case at a time pretty easily. That's jelly, by the way. He pronounces it jelly, Sean jelly. That's for the Giants and Brad that you're done will go to Ryan H and the Stroves. Yes, Kyle Cook, you have, you got randomized the Philadelphia Philly. I think I only see you with one spot, right? 87 out of 99, Domingo Leba. Yancy with the Diamondbacks. There is a Kyle, Alec Minoa, not Kyle Minoa to 150 for the Blue Jays, that'll be for Ryan. And then we've got Graham Stinson. 273 out of 499. That'll be for Adam and the Rays. Exactly, Rex. That's why we don't have to do like these wild like exotic group break styles. We can just afford to keep it simple here. We can keep it simple. There's Trevor Larnock. There's a Boba Shet right there. And Alex Kirloff to 250, purple for John Samuelson and the Twins. They're up and coming prospects. Yeah, that is Arizona fall lead card. It's Daniel Lynch of the Royals. Ooh, nice. And you got a hologram sticker in there too. If you go to mlb.com slash authentication and punch in JC520197, you can see exactly where that came from. David, that's gonna go tomorrow. Take a look at the schedule and you'll note that this is the last break of the night unless opulence fills, which I think it has. So yeah, we are booked for the night unfortunately. No late night tonight either. We will have late night tomorrow though. So this is the last break, or this is the second last break of the night. We've got one more quick little basketball break to go. And then we're calling it a night, but we will be back tomorrow early at 10 a.m. Pacific for all the new releases tomorrow. It should be a really busy Friday tomorrow. I wish we did Kyle. I think we are in the process of getting hats. Jaspy trucker hats would be cool. I don't think we're getting trucker hats this round, but no, opulence will happen tonight. I think I mentioned that. That opulence would happen if it fills and it did, Michael. Yeah, that was the deal I said early on. And that's also in the break schedule. Please take a look at the break schedule, everybody. But if opulence sells out, that would be the one break that I do after this. And it did. So what's going to? It's gonna happen. And so that opulence would be the last break of the night. Matt Libitorum, eight hours, or eight hours today. Went by really quickly, folks. I don't know if there's a traditional case hit in this, Sean Mercer. Another nice Miguel Amaya Arizona Folly card with the MLB hologram sticker. I hope we see that those stickers more often in the future. Miguel Amaya is a cub. That'll go to Richard Miller. And again, if you go to Jaspy's, or if Jaspy, you can't go to Jaspy's for this. If you go to mlb.com slash authentication, go to and hit JC 638-909. You can get all sorts of information about that, what dates that came from. Tony Gonsolin to 499. Oh, and Isaac Perretis for the Tigers. Poppin' right there. That goes to DJ. I like that Tops puts the team names on there now. Ooh, Jaspy's beanie would be nice. I'm gonna look into those. That's one thing, admittedly, that we have, we are not strong in our swag game. Jaspy's swag game, not strong. We need to order more t-shirts and other little goodies here. Jason Aminga's hiding in here, too, for the Yankees. I don't think those go for as much as his earlier cards, his firsts, but still some value there. There's a Relvis Martinez to 99 for the Blue Jays. Bucket hats as well. Should we just start a Jaspy's clothing line? We could, should. Out of 499, 85 out of 499. Tigers, that'll be DJ. That's a market we really do need to hit on. You don't think many breakers do?  That's the thing. I mean, that's why we don't really have that product because I feel like who wants to buy t-shirts that have a breakers name on them? Some do, right? You want a Bubba the Pug hat? That'd be pretty cute. It's not like we're musicians though, artists or anything like that, buying swag at the concert. Or maybe we have reached that level. I don't know, bots? You would buy a Jaspy's beanie? Loret would buy cap hats and hoodies? Just be all decked out in Jaspy's? I mean, that Jaspy's logo is a cool logo for, I mean, it's almost as cool as an in and out logo, almost. But if you're wearing a shirt, how often do you think that would happen, Rex? If you were wearing the shirt and someone asked you what that is, how often are you dealing with that many people? You work over nights and the rest of the time you're taking care of your family.  Maybe I'm just underrating the, it would work if everybody wore a Jaspy's t-shirt and they went to the national. That'd be awesome. I'm gonna wear the N.E.K. blue autograph for Ryan and the Blue Jays. Are you working at a restaurant every day, Loret? Would you be allowed to wear Jaspy's branded stuff at your restaurant? There's Sam Huff, Atomic to 150 down there. There's Mackenzie Gore to 499. And another ranger, there's Randy Florentino for Michael Z and the Texas Rangers. And how many times have someone come up to you, Yancy, and asked you about that shirt and you've explained it, and then sent business their way? P.S. Rex already has a shirt. Oh, are you talking or still talking about the beanie? Did you hear the place they hold the national in Cleveland is shutting down no more Cleveland national? Yancy said it haven't been out of the house with the shirt, to be honest. See, so how can I trust that you wear our shirt out in public? Yeah, I want hard evidence though, Yancy. Not just what you can believe happens.  A case breaking t-shirt? Oh, that's true. Yeah, you don't have a new logo shirt. Those are valuable now. So 2022 is looking for a new spot. I wonder, I'll bet they'll probably just do it. They'll just move it back to like Chicago or Atlantic City. They've done it in Baltimore before. I wonder if they'll move it back to Baltimore. I'd like to go to Baltimore. It's downtown near Camden Yards, I think, is where they had it last time. And I think there's a nice aquarium there. No, they haven't done it on the West Coast. LA is too expensive. The only place to, oh, I don't know where they do it in LA. The only reasonable place in LA Convention Center-wise would be the LA Convention Center, but it's super expensive. San Francisco is probably even more expensive. San Diego is super expensive. That convention center is beautiful. Or they do Comic-Con and all that. I don't think the national is at Comic-Con level. See, that would be the best, but it's just so expensive. The vendors and stuff that everybody, a lot of vendors are in the Midwest on the East Coast. They'd have to fly all the way out here, travel all the way out here. I don't know if they would do it. There's Carl Kaufman there in Readingwood. I can just imagine all the old, super old-school card shop guys going, we're not going to San Diego. It's too expensive and, oh, they grumble. Matthew Libertor for Chris Walker and the Cardinals. Chicago is, yeah, that convention center right next to the airport in Chicago is really one of the best. Denver would be cool. Oh, I remember that, Jason. There's another Luis Robert for Christopher. Matt, what's going on? Denver would be interesting. I haven't thought about Denver. Back in, there's Ryan Jensen of 499. Back in the day, there used to be all sorts of, a number of nationals on the West Coast, and Anaheim mostly, I think. The Anaheim Convention Center near Disneyland. 40 out of 499, John Martinez, not Joan. I realize, would not be pronounced Joan. That goes to the Red Sox, Sean Mercer. Yeah, a few years ago or so, the person that started the national passed away. And we do remember him kind of kicking around the idea of kicking around the idea of bringing it back to the West Coast. I don't think it had been in the West Coast since like the 90s, maybe. In Anaheim or something like that. Vegas might be a decent place. Now that Tops has done a number of events there, maybe the national crew could look at that. I don't know if he had a car shop in Vegas. Maybe way back in the day, but I think his son runs, yeah, Mike Berkus, I think his name was. I think his son kind of handles things now. The national is such a huge production though. A lot of those convention centers are booked like years in advance. So there's that. And it's just pretty pricey. A sport hoodie, that'd be pretty cool box. Should we just get Adidas to sponsor us? Oh, I love that. If I could get a snow white hoodie, orange stripes on the left and right side, big Jaspy logo on the back, zip up. Woo, fire. And Adidas right at the back of the neck or in the back of the hood or something like that. Adidas logo. There's Luis Garcia at a $4.99. That'll be for Aaron Clark. Yeah, we met him a couple of times. The Jaspy teams met Mike Berkus a couple of times, John. And he was awfully, he's always nice to us. You know, boss man's been juiced into the hobby for a long time too. So they're familiar with each other. There's Max Lazar for the brew crew. That'll be for Tyler Peterson. A's will get that Jorge Mateo. That's gonna be for Zach Paul. Francisco Alvarez, purple. Is that Jorge Mateo picture Yerks and Profora? I don't know if I would be able to tell those guys. Oh, and another Isaac Paraitis for the Tigers. That's another one for you, DJ. Now the people at top should know. There's a car shop. You move to Alaska, there's one car shop. Berkus is his son. They ran him in the store. He used to go to the Vegas store all the time. You used to live in Alaska? What were you doing in Anchorage? We've got a few customers in that area too. DJ, I'm laughing because, because I read that as trading first, John Samuelsson. I read that as trading because I was just like, I wonder if John Samuelsson was living the life of an old 1800s fur trader. Yeah, exactly. That he was in the Yukon trading furs and battling bears in the forests of the Yukon, like the Revenant. Hi, Justin Larson, there's a breaker out there. He's from Brewtown, all right. And yeah, we sure do, Justin. We sure do. Why were they mean to you? Tanner Hawk to $4.99. And he said, increase his autograph a little bit. There's Byron Laura, Michael Z with the Rangers. We don't wanna use that slogan Rex. We wanna under promise and over deliver every time. If we start saying the bar that high, then everyone thinks they should be getting $100,000 hits. Clark Schmidt to $99, green shimmer for the Yankees. That'll be for Ryan D. There's Andres Jimenez, Arizona Fall League Relic. For the Mets, nice. That goes to Mike Z and the Metropolitan's. Yeah, are you trying to take business away from us, Justin Larson? You're not helping, you're hurting, man. Wait, he has, Brewtown has a breaker in Alaska? I thought they were, I thought they did all their work in Milwaukee. That doesn't make sense. Drew Avins makes sense, cause it's real. It's right there to $250. DJ Mendenhall with the Dodgers. We could certainly use that as a slogan, Rex. That would be my favorite slogan. All right, a little over halfway through this case, folks, got another, oh, 20 minutes or so to go. Actually dragging a little bit on this break. Opulence coming up after this, and that'll be the last break of the night. Anything else that sells out will be tomorrow, folks, as stated in the description. Are there usually this many Arizona Fall League cards? I feel like we've gotten more than we usually do. When's the last time I opened up a hobby case? I just don't remember. There's another one. Oh no, that's something else. Is this some sort of a relic hot case that we have here, folks? Justin Larson loves the show so much. Tries to send, take business away from us. Yeah, Sean Mercer. I think we're seeing something that is unique. There's Ryan Vallad for the Rockies. Maybe we just got the relic case. We got Julio Rodriguez for the Mariners. Richard, with that one. Mariners with a good break. Couple relics, some Kyle Lewises. Kyle Lewis autograph. We'll do a recap at the end of this, too. Jesus Lizardo for the A's to $4.99. And Ozil Rodriguez to $4.99. That'll be for the Yankees, Ryan, with that one. There's Blue Sal Perez to $1.50 for the Royals. There's Brett Beatty to $4.99 for the Mets. Farm to Fame, Hank Aaron. I like these little inserts, too. Those are pretty cool. And we've got another hit here. It's Jersey and autograph. Jose El Tuve, is that on the card? I think so, yeah, 24 out of 50. That goes to the Astros Ryan H. That's right, John Samuelsson. Cheater, never forget. All right, four boxes to go, ladies and gentlemen. Good luck. Did indeed, did indeed. And probably robbed Aaron Judge of an MVP. Robbed people of jobs. Throughout the season. Boggs, you talked to your sister a couple of days ago about breaks and jasps, and she got into a break. Nice. Did she get anything? Hope she got something. No, I know, I'm teasing, Justin. Larson, relax. It's all good. It's all good. We don't really care. I just think it is funny when there are breakers that get so sensitive about, about, but I think those breakers are usually on a smaller scale. They tend to be the most sensitive about, about like, loyalty. Loyalism. We're a business. We get it. All right, next box. What are you going to do when you come down? Aren't you prepared? And, you know, which of these things have to happen, but great of things have happened in this big year? We're at Warrow Escobar to $4.99. And we got a Devon Mann. Manfred Mann? Blinded by the light. How's Manfred Mann, right? Revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night. Michael Mann? Michael Mann in heat? Get me out of your gut! Get me out of your gut! Says that too. Goes to Yancey. She's got a greater, and you've got your head all the way up it. That's a good line from heat. I had coffee with Macaulay half an hour ago. There's Jordan Balazzovich for the twins. So it looks like it's John Samerson drawing first blood in that tray. So let's maybe we can find an A to balance things out for Zach. Yeah, there's some good heat. There's good lines in heat. You see my brother Richard, he and Phoenix. Oh, Phoenix. There's Arizona and Folly where they're Phoenix. By the time I get to Phoenix, she'll be rising. She'll leave a note right on the door. Yeah, my Al Pacino is not very good. This is Ivana Herrera for the Cardinals. Another one with that nice MLB hologram logo. I don't know, if I really get into an Al Pacino, then it'll just ruin my voice for like a couple days and I kind of need that to do my job. All right, Ivana Herrera for the Cardinals. That goes to Chris Walker who has the Redbirds next box. Well, there's some other good lines on there. I guess there's the heat around the corner line is pretty good. Remember when they were in the San Pedro Harbor in heat and the cops are looking around and they're like, what are they looking at? Vincent, what are they looking at? You know what they're looking at? This guy's good. This guy's real good. You know what they're looking at? Us, the LAPD police department. I wanna watch that movie now. Should we turn that movie on? I need a DVD player here. You know who I'm talking to? An empty telephone, because there's a dead man on the other end of this line. That's pretty good. Robert DeNiro is also in it. Val Kilmer's in it too. Who did this to you? Who did this to you? That's also, I mean, that's not a funny sense of person dying, but heat top five movie for you, no doubt. Absolutely. That's up there. I kind of forget about it being a top five movie, but I clearly watch it a lot. Yeah, Hank Azari's reaction was real in that scene, when he busts into that, to his office, and he goes, Charlene Chornso, and then he's like, who?  Who, what are you, an F and L? That part always gets me. He says the F word, but this is a family show, so I can't do a lot of the lines in heat. There's Mike Siani for the Reds. I can say that. That goes to Debra. Two, three, four out of two, 50. There's Wildred Patino for the Diamondbacks. And then you go, and then that's for Yancey in the Diamondbacks. Who, who? What are you, an F and L? And then he's like, I don't know. I got mixed up with that crazy girl. He says, he says another word, but you've got your head all the way up it. Jesus. When I think of a woman, something comes out of me. I think it says ferocious, aren't I? It's pretty good. Yeah, tone low, great cameo there. Is Albert dead?  Alex Young to 4.99. Rex, I cannot talk about that on the record while this video is going. Nationals, Aaron Clark. Albert, one of Albert's line, where's your empathy, brother? Empathy was yesterday. Today, empathy was yesterday. Today, you're wasting my mother effin' time.  Told you I watched a movie a lot. Well, oh, there is another great one. It was like, remember Ralph? Ralph? Ralph, sit down! Does that sit down? That part is great. He turns around, sit down! And he plops right back down. Good, good, that was great. Fantastic. Oh no, John, are you trying to poke holes in the brilliance at his heat? All five and a half hours of that movie is brilliant. Right, you do not get to watch my effing television set. Oh, so good. Actually, yeah, the DeNiro, I think you had to have the love interest angle for DeNiro with Edie because he was to reinforce that he would walk away from anything if he saw the heat coming around the corner. Even that, even love, he would walk away from because he's just that kind of criminal. Like, that's how he's built. That's the discipline, you know? I think you have to bring that in because then you're just thinking, why, you could have just left with her and gone straight to the airport and to leave and you had all the cash and you'd be ready to go. You could leave the life, right? No, not leave the life. He had to go get Wayne Grove. He had to go get Wayne Grove. And the Natalie Portman humanizes Al Pacino's character too. Because Al Pacino, because really the whole basis of the movie is that both Pacino and DeNiro, while DeNiro's the bad guy and Pacino's the quote unquote good guy, the cops and robber, right? They're both the same. That's the thing. They're both the same. Seth Corey goes to the Giants. That'll be for Brad. That's the thing. So their mentality is the same. He's obsessed with catching robbers. And Robert DeNiro is obsessed with robbing. They got a, it's classic cops and robbers. So you had to have the lovin', or the lovin', the humanizing interest for Al Pacino was his stepdaughter. So that softens both of the characters. Otherwise it's just a straight cop and robber movie. Then it could be like anything, but there's more emotion involved. Think about that. There's Betrayal. Val Kilmer's wife, you know, has to make a decision. You know, they're all making a decision when the heat comes around the corner. So what do you do when the heat comes around the corner? There's Logan Ohop. I'm gonna go with Hop. That goes to the Phillies. That'll be for Kyle Cook. There's Andres Muñoz to 499. Padres. Oh, that's right. Safe Driver, Safe 40% is in that movie. Sorry, he was actually driving. And there's an orange farm to fame Frank Thomas to 25. Who is the other guy that organized all of, that kind of got them all together and handled the money? Why am I blanking on his name? Angelina Jolie's dad. There's Michael Macy for the Royals. That'll be for Lee. It's a star-studded cast too. It really starts with you. Henry Rollins was in there. John Samuelsson mentioned. John Voight. All right, John Voight's in it. Star-studded cast, ladies and gentlemen. Robert De Niro, Al Pacino. I think Wes Studi is in it. Danny Trejo is in it. Safe Driver, Safe 40% is in it. Ashley Judd is in it. Natalie Portman's in it. All right, last box, ladies and gentlemen, we made it. It's a great movie. John Samuelsson, have you ever seen the original Michael Mann movie that it was supposed to be? You can find chunks of it on YouTube. Michael Mann originally wrote it and wanted it to be a movie in the early 80s, but nobody could, no one would finance it. So he eventually had to, eventually it was a TV movie I think it was called L.A. Story. The actors are obviously TV actors. The acting is really bad, but a lot of the lines are the same. So it's really funny hearing them say it. And then Michael Mann then got some other pictures done and then got famous and then, and then they let him do that movie in the 90s. The way he wanted it to. I think it's called L.A. Story, I wanna say. It's pretty great. Not that I deep dive into heat and all things heat. There's Gunner Mayer, another filly for Kyle Cook. Kyle, we're gonna do a recap at the end. So you're gonna, you'll be you and everyone else will be able to see everything. Esteban Floriel for the Yankees, that'll be for Ryan. There's Jay Groom, other Boba Shet. All right, and our final autograph is Cody Michael Bolton, 184 out of 250 Purple Auto for the Pirate Shawn Matic with that one. And there you, sorry, Louis Garcia. There you go everybody. Remember, all card ships, so everything you saw in this break, if you have that particular team will go to you. So thanks for watching, thanks for breaking with us. Let's do a quick recap here of the autos. I had a lot of interesting stuff in this break. A lot of relics in this break. I feel like more than usual in this. See, I've got a lot of those kind of relics. There's the Albu Tube relic and autograph. Some Kyle Lewises, some Luis Roberts. No, Luis, Robert Autograph. But a couple of his base cards were pretty cool. So there you go. Thanks for giving it all you got. Thanks for the heat chat. We'll chat more about that some other time. I'm Joe for jaskyscasebreaks.com. Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us. I'll see you next time for the next one, bye bye.


Brainerd is well represented at the pro level right now with two athletes currently playing in the big leagues. But as our Anthony Scott shows us, while the bright lights and big stage is nice for Joe Hague of the Indianapolis Colts and Josh Archibald of the Arizona Coyotes, Brainerd will always be home. As professional athletes, Joe Hague and Josh Archibald are always on the road continuously striving to be better. So whenever Hague and Archibald get a chance to come home to Brainerd, they relish in what the area has to offer. Hague and Archibald were home to participate in the wounded Warriors celebrity softball game, but they can't stay home forever. Looking forward to getting back, starting the season with Arizona. We made a few trades, but I think we'll have a good core group and a good group of guys. So really looking forward to being back there and just having the fun up in Brainerd while I'm here. As two guys who have played for Brainerd High School, they had some advice for any current high school athletes in the area. You just gotta work hard.  You know, whatever that is, even if it's not athletics, whatever your goals are in life, strive for them, work hard for them, be committed to them. Never give up. You know, keep working hard. You never know where it'll take you. If you have to take the long way, you have to take the long way, but you never give up on your dreams and goals and you'll get there eventually. And Archibald saw his dreams come true when he won a Stanley Cup with the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2017. That's definitely a childhood dream come true. So to be able to accomplish that and to be a part of it was something special. Hey, you know, Archibald will return to the Indianapolis Colts and the Arizona Coyotes, respectively, but they will always show appreciation to where it all started in Brainerd, Minnesota. Reporting from Brainerd, Anthony Scott, Lakeland News. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.