Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome. It's wonderful to have you here this afternoon. I'm Susan Collins, the Joan and Sanford Wildean here at the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy, and we've all been looking forward to this event this afternoon. We're very honored that Susan Smith, who is the President of the League of Women Voters of Michigan, and she's also the moderator for today's program, asked the Ford School to work together with the League to host this special event today. The League of Women Voters is a nonpartisan organization which sponsors candidate forums to help raise policy awareness through education and advocacy, and that really is an important service for our community, and so we're delighted to be partnering with them. I'd also like to acknowledge Professor John Chamberlain, who helped to connect the League and the Ford School. In addition, it's my pleasure to recognize the student organizations that are assisting us and working with us today, and in particular, they are the Domestic Policy Corps, the Rackham Student Government, and the Students of Color at Rackham, and so we're delighted to have representatives from each of those organizations here with us. Well, of course today's event wouldn't be possible if our candidates were not willing to join us this afternoon, and so it's wonderful to have Regent Kathy White, Ambassador Ron Weiser, Rob Steele, and Mike Beam. Thank you all for joining us. We will be introducing you more formally in just a few moments. So Susan Smith will do those introductions, but I would like to remind our audience who are watching live on the live web stream that you can tweet your questions into us. Please use the hashtag Regents Forum is the hashtag, and for those of you who are in the audience, you should have received cards. There will be volunteers who will be coming down the aisles to collect your cards for the question part of the session, which of course is so important, and with that it's my pleasure to turn things over to Susan Smith. Thank you, Dean Collins, and good afternoon everybody, and welcome the league is pleased to be having this opportunity to co-sponsor this forum along with the Ford School and the student organizations. The league is a nonpartisan organization. We do not support or oppose candidates or parties. I would like to take just a minute to introduce the candidates and then I will explain the format we're going to be using this afternoon. We have Mike Beam first on my left, Ron Weiser. I'm sorry, failed already. Rob Steele, Ron Weiser, and Kathy White. They will have an opportunity, each of them, to make an opening remark and then we will have the questions and then at the end they will have an opportunity to make closing remarks. The order in which they make the opening remarks and the closing remarks was predetermined by drawing from a hat before you all arrived. We have timers here from the league this afternoon to ensure that everyone has an equal opportunity to speak. So 15 seconds before the time is up, the league member will hold up that sign and then at the end the stop sign and after that a hook comes up from the side and we drag them off. I'm sure everybody will observe the time limit. Questions are important and I believe you were given cards when you came in. Please fill them out and students will come around and pick those questions up and give them to our screening committee which is sitting down here in the front of the room. The screening committee is made up of representatives from the league and the student organizations and that's so that we can avoid duplication of questions. And as Dean Collins pointed out, if you want to tweet your questions you can do so and those questions will also be submitted to the review committee. We have an hour and 15 minutes. I will ensure that the time limits are observed and I'm pleased then that we are going to begin the first opening statement with Mr. Steele. Thank you all for the opportunity to be here at the Ford School and all the other groups that are helping to sponsor this along with the League of Women Voters. My name is Dr. Rob Steele and I guess for my brief introduction here I'll just make the comment that when you look at the Board of Regents there's eight members and they all should bring different strengths and weaknesses so they can cover for each other and make sure that the university activities are covered. I graduated from the University of Michigan Medical School when I was 23 years old, served 20 years on the faculty at the university in charge of a major rotation so very involved in medical education. In my private practice out at St. Joe's I helped found that practice, 320 employees ran finance and benefits so I have some experience there. And also we've been engaged in clinical research and I've been literally involved in dozens and dozens of research projects. And since the budget at the university is 6.9 billion and the health center is 3.6 billion I will bring an absolute unique qualification to the team there at the board. Thank you. Mr. Weiser. My name is Ron Weiser and I'm running for regent. I'm running for one term. I'm running because I think I can make a difference. I've been involved with the university since 1963 when I started school here. And 25 years later I became heavily involved with the university. I was able to help initiate three major programs and work peripherally on others and I'm happy to talk about that later on. But I believe that I can make a difference. I believe the biggest problem facing the university now is the unrelenting growth and tuition and how that can be reduced without reducing the excellence and tradition of the university is one of the major problems that is faced in the future and I think I bring the qualifications to help guide the university in finding solutions to that problem. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Mr. Beam. Hi everyone, my name is Mike Beam. I first of all like to thank Dean Collins and I'd like to thank Ms. Smith for moderating here today. I'm an attorney. My office is up in Flint in the middle part of the state. I graduated from the university here with a BA in English in 1989 and graduated from Wayne State in 1992 from law school. In my 23 years as being an attorney, I've sort of founded a lot of my practice on finding consensus with people. In addition to being an attorney, I founded, I'm a chairperson of a group called Business Forward and basically what Business Forward does is takes local voices to Michigan and from Michigan to Washington DC and lets Washington know our thoughts on how to increase our economical recovery. I think that's important in a place like the University of Michigan with the Open Meetings Act and that's something we'll talk about and how to bring more voices and also the top issue I'm sure we'll discuss is affordability and accessibility right here at the university and so those I think would be my top two priorities and I'm going to discuss them today. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. White. Thank you and I wanna thank everyone who's put this together today. It's a wonderful opportunity to speak to all of you. My name's Kathy White. I'm the current chair of the University of Michigan Board of Regents and my top priority has always been to maintain and improve the educational and institutional quality at the University of Michigan on all three campuses, Ann Arbor, Flint and Dearborn and with such quality education, it is important to keep the University of Michigan affordable and as the relative amount of state funding has decreased, policies to keep the University of Michigan affordable have to be in place and the reason why affordability is so important is because we have to have students from all different backgrounds with different perspectives who are in an environment that is an enriching academic environment through which they can engage with each other and share ideas. And during my tenure on the board, the University of Michigan has increased financial aid, commensurate with any tuition increase for in-state students. Thank you. All right, we'll turn then to the questions and the first person to answer will be Mr. Beam and here's the question, what challenges will the University be facing in the next 10 years and how would you address them? Well, I think first we've all mentioned it. It's affordability and accessibility. I group those two items together because I think they go together. When you talk about affordability and just look at things like what Pell Grants used to cover two and a half decades ago, Pell Grant covered roughly 80% of school for a student and now only 25%. So I think one of the things that's occurred, there's a study out two years ago that talks about in Michigan, 39% of students, of college students at the university's public and private in Michigan receive need-based loans but only 13% here at the University of Michigan receive need-based loans. I think that's reflective of two things. The university not, well, it needs to increase the picture in the group of students that come here to Michigan to make an opportunity here and make a college education affordable so we're not, when we graduate, looking over our shoulders for fear of heading into bankruptcy, the university produces students and the students should be able to move into the job market without looking over their shoulder. So I think that's an extremely important issue here and there are a couple of ways we need to go about it. One that I would look at would be if we can't get more money from the state to look at loaning money to students from the university here. Thank you. Dr. Steele, challenges and how would you address them? I think we'll all agree that access and affordability are two. I'll throw one in after I make a comment on affordability and access. When you wanna compare whether or not it's affordable, just look at a part-time job. It used to be when I was in school you could have a part-time job and pay for school. That's obviously gone by the wayside. Accessibility is a disaster for students from the state of Michigan. 46% of the students are now from out of state. State of Michigan taxpayers have invested billions and billions and billions of dollars. We have students with perfect SAT scores from the state of Michigan who are not accepted. That's intolerable. These students leave the state and they never return. State of Michigan has gotten older faster than Florida. We have more people under age 40 leaving the state than any other state in the union. So we need to make sure our qualified students get in. Portability will take care of the couple different ways. For three years I've campaigned on the great job that the administrators and donors like Ambassador Weiser have done in creating this endowment to use the endowment as the bank for student loans rather than federal funds to help restrain tuition and align the interests of the donors, the students, the university and the educational product they receive. Another big thing is these buildings. I know people who run a business know they don't close it for four months out of the year. We should sell the tuition in the summertime cheaper. We should get our students in on a cut rate discount tuition to get them through school faster with less debt and fewer housing costs and help reduce or help change the dynamic of the capital cost structure of the university by using the buildings 12 months out of 12 instead of eight. Thank you. Mr. Weiser. Well the question was what the problems are not necessarily the solutions and I think there are many solutions to the issues that face the university and I believe that's what the responsibility of the regents are is to make sure that the university is adhering to its mission, that the major strategies are in place to advance that mission and that the university's officers and deans and others in the faculty are heading towards that strategy and making sure that that strategy is being utilized for the purposes for which they were intended. Once that can be done and accomplished then each of the challenges that all of these two gentlemen have talked about and I believe that Kathy will talk about can be addressed. There are many, many different ways to look at the affordability issue. The budget of the university and we can talk about state of Michigan cuts but forgetting everything else it's grown so much more rapidly than inflation over the years it's made a huge difference in the lives of not just the students when they graduate with this heavy debt but with their families and the burden put on families for students to afford to be able to come to this great university. So solutions have to be found to that and there are many and I have literature out you can look at my website I mean some of those are solutions but those are just ideas and in the end run it has to be the leadership of the university the president and the officers and the deans who are able to bring about the change that will be necessary and it won't be easy. Thank you. Ms. White challenges over the next 10 years how would you address them? Well I think it's unanimous we all think accessibility and affordability in the near term and certainly even 10 years is gonna be one of the greatest challenges. What the board has done thus far we have along with the administration we're raising a billion dollars in financial aid or it's scholarships and fellowships for students we've already raised 440 million of that so I think we're on track to do that and hopefully we can do even more. This endowment would of course sustain the ability to continue to provide the financial aid at a higher level to make things more affordable for our students. Also I'm a big proponent of trying to get veterans to be coming to our university as well. They provide a lot of different perspective and I spearheaded the move to have them get in state tuition because sometimes they have their benefits are tied to having in state tuition when to make the place more accessible for veterans as well. There's a lot of different ways in which we can continue to work on cost cutting. We've cut 289 million to the base budget since 2004 and another 120 million is gonna be cut between the period of 2007 to 2013. I'm sorry 2013 to 2017 another 120 million and in the budget for this year is 24 million dollars in cuts to the base budget. And the other, I have to stop. Got me just in time. All right, thank you. The first person to answer this question, the next question will be Dr. Steele and it has to do with diversity. What does a diverse U of M look like to you? Is that important? How would your opinion on diversity frame your approach to being a region? Well certainly diversity is important. That's been recognized by many different groups who have studied higher education. We also have to take into account that diversity means many different things. We do know from the voters in the state various changes to the current constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled that race based aspects of diversity cannot be a sole determinant. So that issue is kind of directly out of our hands. I agree with Regent White, one of the things that I've campaigned on in to help improve diversity is to recruit veterans on the GI bill to get a more mature group of students, a group of students that have discipline and have planning in there and how they do things and I think that's critical. There's no question that diversity encompasses many different things. My daughter's a freshman at the University of Chicago and during their orientation session, they during their week long orientation, one of the things they did in some of their various questionnaires was about people's attitudes. And at the University of Chicago, there were 6% of the students that self identified them as conservatives and a 47% that identified themselves as liberals. So we know we have an issue with diversity on that as well but we need to fix K through 12 if we wanna improve the strong issue that we have with affirmative action type diversity and one thing the university absolutely can do for this pool of students is be far more aggressive with their grants and stipends. We're competing against Stanford and Harvard and we have to be able to say to these few students who are available, you're in and there's no cost attached. Thank you. Mr. Weiser. Given the constraints of the constitution, Michigan constitution and the laws that are in place, the university has to strive to find ways to have a diverse population of students here because it enhances the educational experience. It creates greater opportunities for research and the interaction of research. There's many, many reasons why that's important. Finding a way to do that is really a charge of the regents and the executive officers. Diversity in economic background quite often can bring about diversity of other types and whether it's a poor family from the upper peninsula or a poor family from the city of Detroit or Flint or Muskegon or Lansing or Ann Arbor for that matter. Having the ability to not only bring students here in a way where they can afford this university and understand, and their families understand they can afford this university but and also to leave without a huge burden but also those students have to be brought here in a way where they can be, if they are not adequately prepared because quite often the backgrounds, the less economic disadvantaged backgrounds means they don't have the educational background to succeed here or the environmental background, we need to make sure that not only do we have diverse students but they have the opportunity to succeed here. There's nothing worse than having a student come and then fail. All right, thank you. Ms. White. As diversity is extremely important, all types of diversity, racial and ethnic diversity along with people with disabilities, which I'm really focused on lately to make sure that we're including people with disabilities in our definition of diversity and socioeconomic diversity is very important because when you are faced with learning in a classroom environment, the way in which you can understand from other perspectives, the challenges that are happening for other people means that you're gonna have a better ability to face and tackle ill-structured problems that are very difficult to find solutions to and you wanna start by having students learn early that people who are different from them can provide a perspective that they're not familiar with and so diversity is extremely important. One way we have to continue to do a lot of the diversity of course is making the university affordable, which we've already talked about. But also we are challenged with making sure we have enough outreach to encourage students who are very well qualified to come here that they can afford it and that they should come here and that this is an open place that is tolerant and is welcoming and wants to have the most talented students can at this university. And so we need to continue to do more and I'm committed to do that. Thank you, Mr. Beam. These two issues are intertwined, affordability and accessibility and what I mean by that is if you cannot afford tuition then the university is not accessible to you. Also from a racial standpoint, I believe if you took a picture of the state of Michigan and the people in it, this is a state university and the picture of the student body should reflect the state. We need to improve that. For example, there's 14% African American population in the state of Michigan, there's 4% here at the university that needs to be fixed like everyone's talked about. There are ways to go about this within the Gratz and Grutter decisions that the university now has to abide by. The economic issue, I mentioned those numbers about 13% of the students here receiving need-based grants and 39 across the state. That is a problem that needs to be fixed. Like everyone's mentioned, you see these students, I'm a big brother for example, I have two little brothers who are in fifth grade. They're absolutely smart enough to eventually come to school here but they don't have the tools and they're not afforded the ability to get those tools and I think we really need to look into potential outreach programs from the university and from the three branches. I see the students that you have on Flint quite often and they're looking forward to and they're looking into an outreach program into the local students. I think that's a way to prepare the students to attend school here.  What can Michigan do to improve its responses to sexual assaults on campus? What policies would you support to change the culture on campus? To help prevent sexual violence and to make our community safer for all students? Well, the policies have to be developed by a combination of the university leadership as well as the students together because I think the students themselves will have the best input as to what they feel they need in order to prevent this, these horrendous acts from continuing and we know they're continuing. We know the high percentages of rapes and other types of aggressive behavior that have taken place on campus, not just this campus, but campuses across the United States. So I believe it's the job of the Regents of the university to encourage a dialogue between the executive leadership, the deans, the students, the student leadership to find solutions that will work for everyone.  They're responsible for making sure that the strategies that are necessary to accomplish this goal are in place and that the tactics that are necessary to fulfill those desires of the students and of their parents and of the university as a whole are being implemented. So I didn't give any answers as to specific things because I don't think that's the responsibility of a region. I believe that has to come from a different place. Thank you, Ms. Wayne. The problems of sexual assault on campuses across the country as well as on this campus is a very, very serious matter and the policies in place have to be looked at constantly to make sure that they not only help with preventing sexual assault from happening again, but also to make sure that there's education and there's a way for the students who have been assaulted and harmed by this to get counseling and are able to receive treatment. Also, one of the things that is really important to help prevent these issues is bystander intervention and culture change on campus to make sure that people understand that it's all of our responsibility, not just the individuals, but all of our responsibility to help prevent sexual harassment and to sexual assault from occurring. In the regions, their role is, again, as Ambassador Weiser said, it's not to handle the tactics, but it is to provide an environment where innovative ideas and support can come, funding can come to help tackle these very difficult issues. Alcohol and drugs often go inside with sexual violence, and so we have to not only tackle the sexual assault issues, but also dealing with some of the alcohol issues as well, and that's part of a policy issues that the board would have to engage in. Thank you, Mr. Beam. I think first and foremost, the environment needs to change.  I think too many times the survivor of the assault is made to feel ignored, made to feel that they should be quiet and not pursue this. The university, first and foremost, needs to put a plan together to protect the rights of the survivor of the assault in the voice of that survivor needs to be heard. I think once a policy like that is put in place, then the environment changes, and like everyone's mentioned, policies need to go into place where things like that you would know beforehand what will occur. I think too many times in this day and age, people either consciously or subconsciously have the feeling that nothing will occur if something like this happens. The assault, the person who's making the assault feels as though not much will occur, and the survivor after the assault feels that way, the same that nothing will occur, so why should they do something about it? We do need to do something about it, we need to address it, bring it into the light and fix this problem. Thank you, Dr. Steele. With any major problem in the medical field, you always need robust data. You can't make a decision until you have robust data, and I think there is certainly an undercurrent of concern over this issue. There is a problem, there is no question there's a problem, but the raw data and the data involved in the true nature of the problem, the scope of the problem, and how the problem needs to be addressed is clearly lacking. The problem has exploded since the recent famous May letter from the Department of Office of Civil Rights Department of Justice, Department of Education, and clearly the response that many of these universities have been problematic. You know, that incredible conservative, Alan Dershowitz and Charles Ogletree just published an op-ed in the Boston newspaper castigating the Harvard policy, which is almost identical to ours, which they felt totally left the quote accused without any rights whatsoever. So we have a difficult act here, there is no question. I think one way to help, which may be a tactic, I think there's no question. I have a great concern about a campus run, campus reporting line of reporting with campus police. I think it causes the opportunity that maybe interests aren't aligned and that sometimes people don't wanna report. I mean, certainly the administrators don't wanna be reporting more. Certainly someone who's reporting a problem doesn't wanna be reporting, and I think the university needs to look into hiring outside legal, outside enforcement, whether it's the city, county, or state and get out of the business of having their own campus police force. All right, thank you. The next question first answered by Ms. White and has to do with including students in university decision making. In February, 2011, the regents voted to delete the section quote unquote student input in a university decision making from their bylaws. In July, 2013, the regents formed a presidential search advisory committee and did not include student representation on it. As a regent, how will you solicit student input? What will you do to better ensure students are a part of the university's decision making process? Well, I actually had to do this, so I had to deal with this because I'm on the board and was part of the decision not to put students on the presidential search advisory committee and had to work very well with the students to make sure that their input was heard. Our decision to do that was because we needed to keep the committee relatively small, so it was manageable. There were a lot of groups we didn't have on the search committee. We had mainly Ann Arbor faculty, but we did work with the students. The president then, Mike Propi, was very helpful along with Bobby Dachelle, who's the current president at CSG. They got a survey that was incredible that took into account all student views of what they were looking for in a president, and I think we actually were able to find one that had most of their concerns addressed, and so what you have to do is to engage the students early on, talk about how to make sure that their views do get heard, talk with the student leaders, and have them work out ways that we can do the outreach, and stay in constant contact and communication with the students. The students will tell you exactly what they want, just listen. That's been my experience. Thank you, Mr. Beam. I think this is a very important issue. It goes hand in hand with Open Meetings Act issues that have come up this in the past and the litigation this summer. I think there are some constitutional constraints here in Michigan due to the constitution we have and how it's created the boards, and so you would need an amendment or a constitutional convention, many people say, to add someone as a regent. That being the case, and with how well our legislators get along with one another in Lansing, I don't know that that would occur. So if I was voted in as a regent, I would regularly meet with students that the CSG wanted to put a group together to advise. I would want to meet with them regularly. I would also extend that to other other issues that have come up from supporters of the athletic department, faculty members, also members at the two branch campuses. I think they all have voices that need to be heard. I mentioned my involvement with Business Forward because it's very similar to this. Sometimes we see politicians in Washington DC sort of act in a bubble and not make informed decisions. They need more voices. It's the same here with the board. The board hears more voices and interacts with more voices. I think it'll make more informed decisions. Thank you, Dr. Steele. Thank you, Mike, for that question wherever you are sitting. I was actually the nominee for this position in the last election as well and one of my big issues at that time was what has now been proven to be a big issue with the lawsuits over the Open Meeting Act. I proposed at that time three years ago regular public office hours. And these public office hours wouldn't just be for faculty, students, administrators, and anyone else. It could also be for the residents of the city and the city administrators because if there's a problem that we have with transparency and accountability here at the University of Michigan, it also has to do with the relationship between the university and the city. So I will have regular open, regular scheduled office hours. So the students will certainly be welcome to come in there. I'll also, knowing that the taxpayers support this university, imagine if the Governor, the Attorney General, Secretary of State, and your two US senators had no way that you could get to them on a regular basis. It's unconscionable. I'll also have regular open office hours throughout the state, rotating through congressional districts every month. And this isn't just for Republicans and Democrats only. This is for everyone. We know that Republicans and Democrats, particularly at the K-12 and moving into the university level, we agree on all these issues, affordability, access. We want our kids to have the best and we want them to stay here in the state of Michigan so that we're not chasing our grandkids all over the state. So I'll be welcomed and ready to meet with the students because I'll have regular public office hours here and throughout the state. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Weiser. Well, my wife says this quite often. She's on the State Board of Education. Quite unfortunately, at times, we forget that schools, and the university is a school, is about the students and not about the adults. And if it is about the students, then their input in their own futures, I think is important because without that input, we will be guiding them the way that we think it should be rather than necessarily, and not necessarily in what they need or feel that they need. Now, I understand that adult people who've been around longer, as I have supposedly have more experience and no more, but the world has changed so rapidly what those needs are and what the kids want to have is their educational experience, which will allow them to go forth from this university and help change the world may not be what we think it is. And so that input is important. And as a regent, I believe that it's important that we support and make sure that the leadership of the university has the processes in place to make sure that all of the areas of the university, whether it be a professor or a dean or a vice-president or the president of university, whoever the leadership is, has the opportunity and the students have the opportunity to have the input before decisions are made. Thank you. Mr. Beam, you'll be first to answer the next question. It has to do with climate change. Do you support the U of M divesting from fossil fuels and what should be the university's response to climate change? I do support that. It's interesting just in the past few weeks how many politicians dodge that question by saying I'm not a scientist, but then they're more than willing to give an opinion on the Ebola problems that we've seen. So it can't be something that's just convenient. I think climate change is a fact. And when it comes to economics and policy like that, there are so many jobs that can be produced from looking at climate change and making some corrections and getting away from fossil fuel dependency. When I have a family that lives up in the middle of the state and you see many of the windmills in the wind farms there, and that's just one small example. So I do think we need to divest from fossil fuels. I think it is a job maker and I think a place like the University of Michigan like it's doing it should get out and lead on this issue versus trailing behind. Thank you, Dr. Steele. The answer is no, absolutely. I would not divest from fossil fuels. In fact, I am a scientist in the data on this issue is not robust. When a theory is proved wrong, it takes only one small piece of data. When Einstein's theory was recently proved not to be quite accurate, it was the most minute piece of data that you could possibly comprehend in the world of physics, but yet it proved the theory wrong. And what we have seen over and over and over is that we have no predictable model yet. We have no predictable theory. We do know we have an issue that needs study and careful attention. There's no question about it. But the answer is no. We should be a leader in doing research. We should be a leader in coming up with solutions that are environmentally sustainable, regardless of what the issues surrounding climate change are. Because we wanna have efficient energy use in a sustainable environmental policy regardless of the final answer on climate change. But it's clear with 18 years of no warming that it is not a proven theory. There's just no question about it. Thank you, Mr. Weiser. Well, the university, as we all know, is one of the leading research institutions not just in the country, in the world. And so solving these problems of making sure that we have adequate energy supplies for ourselves, our families, and the population of this country and the world is one of the biggest challenges we face. And so one of the things we can do to solve this problem is to invest here in the university and research and focus on research that will determine ways that this problem can be solved. I'm not quite sure what divesting from fossil fuels mean. Does that mean that we ask the, we ask the, if they have it, if we ask the endowment to sell their Detroit Edison stock, who is burning fossil fuels but also creating windmills at the same time? Is that what we do? So they don't have the capital to clean up their fossil fuel facilities until substitutes can be found. So I'm not quite sure what the purpose of that is. And doing these things on a cross the board basis is never a good solution. I think the university has to make wise investments, but on the other hand, to do things across the board when the real goal is to find solutions is not the best way to accomplish that goal. Ms. White? Well, I do believe climate change is a real problem. And I think that it's very important that we tackle it as a nation, as well as having universities do research to improve the way we get energy so it doesn't harm the environment as substantially as fossil fuels do. I do not think divesting from fossil fuels in the endowment at this point makes sense. University of Michigan has divested in two situations. One was against South Africa to protest the devastating and degrading segregation policies of South Africa, and the other was in tobacco products, which uniformly everyone agrees is very unhealthy and has created a lot of health problems in our society. There's no doubt that climate change is a real problem and that eventually we've gotta do something because it's really gonna affect us. The question is, does divesting our portfolio make sense at this point? And I have the same issue that the Ambassador Weiser has, which is, what does it mean? Because a lot of the same companies that are doing a lot of the fossil fuel problems are also investing in green energy. Also, the other problem is our entire global economy is tied up in fossil fuels. And it just is not something that we are all as a global community settled on, whereas I think we were all settled that segregation and slavery was bad. Thank you, Dr. Steele. You will be first to get the next question and it has to do with the city of Detroit. With growing national and international attention given to the city of Detroit and the university proximity 45 minutes west and roots originally founded in the city, what expanded role can and should the university play in the city of Detroit? Well, the university should play a large role. One of the main things the university needs to do is get a better return on investment to the taxpayers in the state of Michigan, whether that's through helping Detroit or helping get our kids into school and then staying in the state and helping create a vibrant future economy because as Regent White was just mentioning, as regards energy is the way to solve poverty, keeping the young motivated people here with a good education is the way that we're gonna solve all the problems. We've seen in Detroit right now a real renaissance with rapidly escalating rents in certain pockets of the city where the highly educated young people are actually going there and doing incubation that start up companies. And so the university right now, the key thing they can do to help it in the university is through the K through 12 educational process. It's completely broken there. It's out of control. And they haven't had a college ready student come from hundreds, I think it's 280 different high schools in the state of Michigan have not had a college ready student in over 20 years. And so the university of Michigan can do a great deal by helping to foster both the technological and economic startup things through the business school at the public policy school here, but then also through the education school and making sure that the K through 12 problem is fixed there with creative solutions that aren't tied to old ways that have proven not to work and been broken. And that's one of the key things on the border regions is we need to make sure we're answering the solution to the problem and not to constituencies. Thank you, Mr. Weiser. Detroit's an important part of our state. And trying to help Detroit is important. It's convenient because they're close as it was pointed out, but do we tell the citizens and the people of Pontiac and Flint and the Skegan and Marquette? I mean, people have been suffering in the upper peninsula for a long time also. Do we tell them that the university does cares more about Detroit than about them? Yes, I think it's a good opportunity for our students because it's close and our students can go there and interact in the kinds of organizations that are helping in Detroit. The Ginsburg Center has a number of people who interact with Detroit kids, with Detroit problems, but Detroit is not the only place we have problems in this state. And we do have a duty and responsibility not only to the rest of the country and the world, but especially to the state because we are a state institution. So yes, we should get to the extent that we can and the extent we have the resources and the extent that students have the willingness and the focus to be able to be involved in Detroit. It's a great opportunity for us, but let's not forget the rest of the state. Thank you, Ms. White. Well, Detroit is not only an important city in the state of Michigan. It's an important city for the nation and the world because it was basically the birth of how we were gonna do a middle class in this country. And so the University of Michigan should be very committed to the city of Detroit. The K-12 situation is probably the best way in which we can have some effect. The important thing, though, is that the university, when we engage, invited in areas in which we are welcome, we can work in partnership. There has been some concern that University of Michigan is taking over the city of Detroit and we have to be very careful that we don't do that. I actually work at Wayne State University and so it's important that we realize there are other institutions as well that are involved in the city of Detroit, but we should definitely use our expertise in ways that especially our ability to do a lot of research in areas that maybe some of the other institutions in the state are not able to do or are not currently choosing to do. We should be involved in the city of Detroit. Thank you, Mr. Bean. I agree with what many of us have said so far in this issue. I think it comes down to outreach and I would add this to the same extent with the branch campuses in Flint and Dearborn. I think many of the students here on campus can serve as mentors to young students. When you see, when young students see someone who has made it to college and is successful in college, it provides a huge boost to that young student. Many students that have never seen anyone that's gone, that is in college or has been to college, they don't see as it being a possible goal. So I think there's a lot of potential there, but I think in issues like Regent White said that it needs to be in an area where we are invited to pursue, but things like urban planning, revitalization, the School of Education here with outreach programs to the students in Detroit makes a huge difference. And I think there are many voids right now where we would not be stepping on toes, so to speak, but would provide a lot of great skills to these young students in the K through 12 areas. All right, thank you. Mr. Weiser, you'll be first this time and this question has to do with shared services as a way of reducing costs. What is your opinion on shared services? What other possible methods of cost control can the university employ? Should the university be attempting to lower cost or will that inevitably compromise educational quality? The University of Michigan is, I at one time had the opportunity to work in a much bigger bureaucracy than the University of Michigan. It was called the State Department. And bureaucracies are not much different any place in the world. They are not inherently efficient. There is opportunities for changing the cost and without reducing the quality that can involve a lot of things. I have an accounting background. I have a business background, I have a finance background. I took every accounting course the university had, graduate and undergraduate when I was here and it served me well. But that process is a long-term process because it's a cultural change. Changes is in the way that we budget which is essentially stovepipe budgeting, top-down and not bottom-up budgeting. There are a lot of things that have to be changed but it takes change, that change is a cultural change that takes the leadership of the university to and the people who are going to be affected by that change to all be a part of. So it's not easy, it's slow, but it can be accomplished. Can you save 3% in a bureaucracy? Can you save 5%? Those things are all possible. So there are a lot of techniques, as I said, there are a lot of different ways to approach these problems, but yes, you can cut cost without reducing excellence. In fact, you can cut cost and use that money to increase excellence. Thank you. Ms. White. Well, the University of Michigan may be the most decentralized organization on the planet, but decentralization has brought the academic excellence to this institution because people are able to control a little bit better how to pursue their research when they raise money and funds, they can keep it in their departments where their expertise is and it doesn't go out to do to other places. And so decentralization has increased the excellence of the academic mission. The key is really to be able to leverage the size of the institution to get economies of scale, to have shared services that make sense. But the only way to do that effectively is you really have to have robust conversations with the faculty about how to do the shared services. And we had a mishap, I think we've all acknowledged that that did not happen. And my understanding is it's happening better now and if it's not, I want people to tell me that it's not because what we have to do is find ways to save money where redundancies do not make sense. But sometimes we don't only make business decisions, we make decisions that will enhance the academic quality and that is the important part of our mission as well. Thank you, Ms. White. Mr. Beam. I think this is an area where there can be a lot of improvement. I served on a cultural center board with a much smaller budget, a $50 million budget, but there were a music school, an art institute, which were next door in proximity and they of course all thought that they didn't share any services with one another until it was brought to their attention that many things from their healthcare plan to everything that they purchased and those were examples of shared services. I think this takes a lot of communication between the different parts of the university and when you have the communication, then you can find where there is duplication and redundancies that can be fixed. You also mentioned just cost reductions in general, just with attending school, close friend of mine, his daughter is a sophomore here. Last year took sociology, bought her text, went to class, the first thing the professor said is, I'm sorry if you bought the text, you won't be needing it this term, and he was going to teach with technology. I think when you look at it, it's a sixth of the price of tuition, the cost of books to attend the university per semester. If you have a tablet and we get out in front when it comes to licensing text material on your tablet, we could save millions. Thank you, Dr. Steele. Clearly the recent attempt at the centralization process didn't work well and I think it's part of the culture problem we have here and the lack of openness, transparency and accountability that needs to be improved dramatically between all the various stakeholders in this process and clearly that's one of my main goals and issues here regarding public office hours and all those sorts of things but we know that something like that has to happen but it's truly a cultural problem. Places like the university which are under the purview of the regents and not under any other organization according to the state constitution in higher education and academics in general. They've been used to operating in a certain way, kind of think alike medicine and what the rapid upheaval that's going on, I can tell you as a practicing physician, there's lots of things happening that I don't think are helpful or good but they're happening and but there are some things that are happening that are good and I think here in higher education we have to realize that there will be some changes coming here and there will be a huge culture shift and it will be a big change in the environment in which we all operate and there's no question that as a physician I see a lot of patients who work here at the university and I'll tell you, I hear the stories from all the subcontractors and how much they overcharge the university relative to any other job. I can tell you that our students shouldn't be going into debt to have sushi chefs and wood-burning pizza ovens. That's not necessary when you have 50,000 applications for six or 7,000 acceptances. So open checkbook online, budget online, zero-base balance budgeting. Thank you. And Ms. White, you'll be the first to answer our next question which will be our last question. Following the candidate's responses to this last question they will each be given an opportunity to make a closing statement. They have two minutes to make that statement. All right, so Ms. White, you will be first on this question. What is your opinion on what the recent controversy involving Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon reveals about accountability in our athletic programs? How would you approach such a controversy as a region? Well, as you can imagine, I actually can't, I can't answer that question as easily as the other candidates because I'm actually currently the chair of the board and I can't speak without sounding like I'm speaking for the board. What I can say is it is very important that our student athletes are safe and that we have policies in place to ensure their safety. Also, it is very important that you know that all of the entire board, we are all very concerned about this issue and are listening to everything we're hearing from many constituents. And the president of the university actually is the one who makes the personnel decisions. And we are, as part of our role individually, we consult with the president, but I feel it would be difficult for me to answer this in a way that doesn't trigger New York Times headlines. It would be more fun. It would be more fun. Mr. Beam. I meant to be funny the other day when I said to someone who asked me this question, I think you could raise tuition 25% and receive less outcry than as to regarding the concussion issue with regard to Shane Morris. He looked at me, he didn't laugh and he sort of had to look like, so what's your point? So he was very involved in this issue. This is something that a parent, any of us, when you send your child to school, if your child's on the football team, the field hockey team, or just your average student, your number one concern is your child's safety. And that for many parents, this is the first time their child's left the home is to go to school. And so this is something that is of the utmost importance, not being a regent and not being at the meetings. Sometimes people ask us financial questions and you have to preface your answer by saying, I don't have access to the books, but here I can tell you as a fan and as an alum, I was incredibly disappointed with how it was handled. And I would look for a thorough investigation, so something like this does not happen again. Thank you, Dr. Steele. Yeah, I agree with some of the comments that Mr. Bean made. You know, in medicine, you don't come to a diagnosis and a treatment until you have all the data. And I certainly don't have all the data regarding the specifics inside that perhaps Regent White has available. Certainly the medical side is of grave concern and I think we've heard from the athletic department, they've instituted many new policies to help overcome the challenge they had, which was pretty disappointing. You know, as regards, you know, football, I mean, we gotta understand here at the University of Michigan, we are first and foremost a fantastic, highly honored research institution with a fantastic history and athletics clearly is not the primary focus of this university. And I have a little different view on that than many of my grandfathers started three years for Fielding Yosemite and started on a national championship team. And after his long career in public education actually is a member of the National Collegiate Athletic Directors Hall of Fame. So when we look at some of these issues, they're the kind of things that I have great passion for. But let's also look at the athletic department if we wanna look in and evaluate, let's keep in mind that there are 30, 31 sports, they're doing extremely well in all the others, the facilities have had tremendous upgrade. And so far, the athletic department has challenges with fees and with this medical decision, but let's not forget we're a research university here to help the future of the state and not an athletic program. Thank you, Mr. Weiser. Well, first of all, what Regent White said is important, it's the president of the university's responsibility together with the executive officers to determine whether what the problem is if there is one and what the proper action is to take university regions have a responsibility to give their input. And after they've given their input, they also have the responsibility to support the actions of the president. Quite frankly, after time, if they don't support the actions of presidents, that's why presidents or executive officers get replaced. So this is not just about one incident, this is about policies, it's about traditions, it's about the direction of the athletic department, but more importantly about the interaction between the athletic department and the university community. And looking at all those things together, if I was a region, I certainly would give my input. I would certainly give my opinions, but they would be given to the president of the university and from there, the support of that president's decisions, I think is important for the regions to do. All right, that concludes our questions. We're now going to have the closing statements from each of the candidates. Again, the order in which they give them was determined prior to the forum. So we will be starting with Mr. Weiser, your closing statement, please, sir. Why am I running for region? Because I think I can make a difference. I've had that opportunity throughout my life. My background is as first as a businessman, starting a small company when I was in school with $300 and growing it into a larger company, having the opportunity then to go into public service 25 years ago and to go into full-time public service 15 years ago, and having the opportunity during that time to make a difference. This university is a leader in research. It is a leader in educational excellence. It has to and has a duty to continue to impact on the quality of life for the human existence. And it can do those things and it can do them better. And it can do those through its faculty, through its research, most importantly through its students. So there's many, many things that interact. And I believe I have a set of characteristics and background that can help with that, whether it's being a diplomat and working within a bureaucracy and understanding how that process works to get people to work together to solve problems. I was in Eastern Europe right after 9-11. Whether it is my background in nonprofits, I've chaired multiple nonprofits over the years from the Michigan Theater to United Neighbor College Fund to New Center and on and on and on. And I've learned that individual institutions can have an impact. Here at the university, I was one of the founders of the Ginsburg Center for Service and Learning as the person from the outside working with the vice president student affairs and the provost to help that start. That was an impact that has had a big impact on many students and others who've received those services. The Weiser Center for Europe and Eurasia and the Weiser Center for, can't even remember my own centers. I'm sorry, we're gonna have to ask you. We're gonna have to ask you to stop. Working with the International Institute. So those are the things that I have experience in doing and I hope I have the opportunity to do that with the university as well. Thank you, Mr. Beam. Thank you, Sue. Thanks for putting this forum together today. It's been a good discussion. We've all talked about things we would want to improve and I think we do need to keep in mind the recent publications where U of M is ranked, the top public university in the world. So there is a great deal to be proud of. That being the case, you can always improve. And I think there are some areas that the university can improve, not only improve but continue to lead and lead into the future. I believe my background in being a trial attorney and also working on the boards that I have, like Ambassador Weiser said, gives me some great experience in a situation like this when it comes to dealing with people with different opinions. I am a firm believer of the more voices the better. So when it comes to making decisions, I would regularly meet, like I mentioned before, with people from all different branches here in the university, from students to faculty. And that tails right into what we were talking about with the Open Meetings Act. And that's something I find incredibly important and worthy to pursue from both an academic and athletic standpoint, that we need to bring in more voices and hear more voices, frankly. Sometimes decisions seem to be tone deaf and I get the feeling that those are decisions that are made by few people instead of receiving the opinions of many people. In addition, I'm really the only candidate from out state and I would work tirelessly to promote and protect the interests of both branch campuses in addition to the main campus here in Ann Arbor. Thank you. Ms. White? Well, as the current chair of the Board of Regents, I have experienced an expertise on the board. I have a Bachelor of Science in Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Computer Science from Princeton University. I have a law degree from University of Washington. I have a master of law from George Washington University Law School and I just graduated from the US Army War College with a master in strategic studies. I'm currently a professor of law at Wayne State University. I specialize in patent law. I'm a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Army, Reserve in the JAG Corps, which is the Lawyers Corps for the Military. I teach constitutional and military law to the cadets at West Point in the summers and I'm a registered patent attorney, Fulbright Senior Scholar and I was a White House Fellow during 9-11. I have a background that's very different from anyone currently on the board. I'm the only one that's served in the military. I'm the only engineer and I'm the only academic and I think it's important to have academics on the board. The state of Michigan is transforming, right? We're still dealing with this transformation from manufacturing economy to knowledge economy. We have a lot of challenges as a nation and higher education is a big piece of those challenges. And my background gives me a solid foundation to lead the University of Michigan through these changing times. Thank you. Dr. Steele. Thank you everyone for coming. Great questions. You see you've got a lot of qualified candidates up here. It's great to be here in the Ford School strangely. I grew up in Grand Rapids, another out state guy and when Gerald Ford announced his first race for the house, it was in my grandparents living room and that furniture is in the Ford Museum and my mom modeled with Betty Bloomer. So the Ford family's been a long time with us and it's just wonderful that the University has recognized his accomplishments and contributions to the University. I mentioned my medical background. 55% of the budget at the University is the Health Center Medical Education and Clinical NIH Research. And with all due respect to my flanking members here, there are seven attorneys on the board and no research physicians. So we have some work to do there. I think I have a lot to contribute there as well as to the institutional memory. I mentioned my grandfather with a long history here. My grandmother was chair of the committee for Continuing Education for Women. Was the first woman to have an alumni group named after and was a national co-chair for the first endowment campaign in 1964. And in the mid-1950s, she was sharing the stage with Harlan Hatcher during an event when some of the questions came from the audiences. What about our qualified students that aren't getting into the University of Michigan? And in 1955, Harlan Hatcher's answer was we will never turn down a qualified student from the state of Michigan. We will always increase enrollment to make sure they're taken care of. We need to make sure that the University of Michigan does more to contribute to the future of the state of Michigan by making sure our highly qualified students are accepted. We need to make sure that the qualified students from out of state are encouraged to stay here by giving them tuition refunds to STEM degrees if they stay in the state for five years and pay tuition. We want to recruit the very best of students to stay here at the University after they graduate. And I'll be happy to make my contributions on the board when it comes to the crazy changes that are happening in medicine, research, and limited funds coming from both federal and state government. Thank you for being here. I want to thank the candidates for coming this afternoon and participating in this lively discussion. I want to thank all of you in the audience who provided questions of important issues facing the University. And I want to thank the Ford School, Dean Collins for cosponsoring the event so that we could have it here in this lovely facility. There will be a reception following the forum and I invite all of you to stand to stay and to talk individually with the candidates as they are able to stay. Thank you very much. Don't forget to vote.


The goal of the training is to prepare the young Marines into any type of environment that we put them in, whether it's extreme cold, say Germany, or whether we're in Italy conducting some training. It's just all of our experience that the Marines get in those environments. That was smooth. Hey, move now, move now, move now, we're not taking any fire. Any amount of time that we are able to beam out in the live fire training areas will definitely help some Marines out for future operations. I love what I do and that's why I'm still here, just enjoying every bit of it.


The annual Purple Martin Fest was back in Bemidji for the second year in a row to celebrate the bird-friendly community. Reporter Cheryl Moore tells us about our friendly flying neighbors in this week's community spotlight. The Bemidji community has a unique opportunity to help our friends that fly in the sky. And as an official Minnesota bird city, it's safe to say the community takes that responsibility very seriously. This is all sort of an approach to making not only the public aware of all the birding opportunities and how bird-friendly Bemidji is, but it's also an opportunity for us to promote that. I mean, we have a lot of birds.  I can hear like seven or eight, ten different species just in the last few seconds. The annual Purple Martin Fest is always held around the same time as International Migratory Bird Day. It took a brief hiatus but came back to highlight the bird-friendly community as well as bring awareness. The group has held what's called Purple Martin Fest a few different times over the years. They held it about four or five years in a row up until about 2015 and then people got busy, a few people moved and it hasn't been held since and I thought this is a good opportunity. Our Purple Martin population here is really growing. The festival is named after the bird that chooses to make Bemidji their home during summer. Right now, all Bemidji's Purple Martin houses at Cameron Park and around Bemidji State University are at full capacity. That's equal to around 300 pairs of Purple Martins, which may sound like a lot to take care of. As humans, it's important to remember our role in making sure all the birds are out of harm's way. We see a lot of things like window strikes, so the birds hit a lot of windows. So we try to minimize that, put something that's, if you have a big picture window, maybe putting some Scotch tape or something that lets the bird know that it's not the forest on the other side. They often mistake it for the trees that they can see in the reflection. Things like keeping cats indoors is another thing we can do. Another fact about Purple Martins is that when they leave here in the summer, they'll be migrating to places all over the world like Brazil. That's why it's important to be a good host city and admire them while you can before they head to their next destination. It's been a great opportunity to do work with a species that is a colony nester, so they're really obvious, really abundant. They're really gregarious, so they're actually pretty easy to work with from a people standpoint. They don't get stressed by people too much. They're a lot of fun and they come back. They're pretty. They make a nice sound. They eat bugs. You know, they're sort of a great all-around bird. Reporting in Bemidji with this week's Community Spotlight, Cheryl Moore, Lakeland News. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.


While still talking health, the need for increased attention and budgetary allocation to malaria prevention and health in general, especially the recruitment of qualified personnel at the primary health care level has been re-echoed. The United States Secretary of the Civil Society for Malaria Control and Communication and Nutrition Akomin Taiyu Akinpilu made a call in a bell quarter during the state media meeting. Akinpilu urged the state government and all the stakeholders to increase awareness in order for the public to imbibe malaria prevention practices as a lifestyle towards protecting the most vulnerable groups such as pregnant women and children under the age of five. While appreciating the intervention of the federal and state government on the implementation of the basic health care provision funds, the Akomin state secretary stressed the need for community involvement for more impactful service delivery in the country. To increase the budgetary allocation to malaria in particular and health in general, especially the recruitment of qualified personnel at the primary health care level, we understand that there are recruitment going on. However, this recruitment should be made to reach the grassroots. We want qualified people to manage our primary health care services and more units to be engaged. We also need to increase education and awareness of the general public to imbibe malaria prevention practices as a lifestyle. However, we cannot, obviously a lot of times people say ordinary malaria, but it's amazing that Nigeria continue to be responsible for malaria cases and that's because we are not taking prevention serious. The third one.


Market, unapata pesa, inompatia. Ya, ya, ya. That's right. Miriam. She's the accountant. I'm the CEO. A CFO, sorry. Okay. So inenda kwa accountant, Allah for accountants anani lipa. So Miriam, what inspires your designs, the creativity behind everything? Ata CEO ni kiyomiang, ni inu ilu kwa like hustle, ni ilu kwa tengeza kwa za masai, za masai, masai beads. So ni kakam sanu ilu kwa ina tengeza, ni ina apata dough naazo. So kukuza, even Nairobi ni kakuja ni kapata, ni kapata ya ni kuna izi shambala ni, but ni kawana ni izi just to say mueto. So normal one, ya. Is the easiest to do, izi sa shangani do hard li kuata izi. Is there a particular, kus nanani ni water meva like skulls? Is that something, because I understand you are a rock DJ. Is it inspired because of his being a rock DJ? Ya, okay. Okay, let me get into the Kapu larena kidogo. Ya, we all know that in in the couple institution, the man is the head, is the vision holder and stuff. So when I found out she was doing this, she was doing the masai way. But now when I looked at her, I was like, okay, being a rock head, I was like we can just carve it kidogo and then it falls into the rock line. And we will flow. We will have a... So she was okay with you? With my vision. If you want to be a rock DJ, you can do it. You can give me a box. Can you link the box to your work? So basically the designs mostly, actually what you do is rock oriented, rock oriented designs. So that's where we specialize and that's where our strength is. And because you say you do rock oriented designs, do these designs only sell to rock fans only or I can, because personally I'm not such a big rock fan, but there was a time I was into the skull head. Is it everybody or just the rock artists? Funny enough my market actually I was niching up and the market was for the rockers. But apparently what has turned out to be everybody liked it. We have a lot of people just like, this is cool, can I have? Actually to the extent of having pastors, actually we, yeah. Really? There's pastors actually across even the country outside there, especially when it comes to clutch bugs and whatever's, bracelets. So it's just cool, yeah. So Miriam, what are some of the biggest challenges that you've encountered making onamens? First challenges are like money, obvious money. You have to buy the beads, the nini. So even customer camps, I can't afford to buy them, so I can't deposit them. So I can't deposit the beads that I have, so I can't buy the beads. So I can't afford to buy them, but I can't afford to buy them. So I can't buy them. So I can't afford to buy them. So it's one of the challenges. So how do you juggle between having your family and doing the onamens? It's hard, but I try to do it. I try to do it, but I try to do it because I want to do the onamens. So Maketa, is this something that you want to go bigger? Or is this something that you but don't want to go to the next level? Actually it's a long time vision.  Actually it's been there for those people who follow up, and if you get to my pages, you'll see I have a kaka segment. It's called Hewland Fashions. So this is Hewland Fashions now. So it's something that's growing. It's just that saizi sasa asu me skia kapital ni issu kiasi and then still we're just, we're coming up. But it's something that will be there. Watch out, it's something that will be there. It's something to be. Okay, so if I wanted to get these designs, where can I find them? Basically you can DM me, meet me Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and then you'll get my numbers also on.  Do you have a page for the? Not yet, not yet. Cause now we are going small and then the thing is, we had started actually, we were really coming up and then the demand became like more than what you could handle. So we were like, watch out, turn down. Cause you have a lot of stuff. She's still doing some schooling. I still have mountain things. We still have family. So we really need to have a balance. So we decided, okay. And then what you're doing to make it a little bit more complicated, we're doing custom made. We just don't do stuff. So we have to get your specifics and then we turn it down to whatever you want. So that makes it a little bit tricky. So to come, wakwanza wacha to take our time on it. Na nona, designa e hajava mingi kamawe bilomeva. Designa? Kwa ni ni ojava mingi kama? Yendo marketing. I know, it's still marketing. But you have to wear what you make. You have to put on what you make. Umge kuja umezijaza kila maale? And also it's mouza uza. Uza niya lukameva. Fakaze niya. Unavainen prana kwa mbea nuzia e kitu. Ah, that's nice. Cause you've seen me rata kwa umge wana kwa photos. I had so many. So I was going to reduce it because how much? Eh, yo pesa. So for your jewelry, what's the price range? Necklaces, shambalas. Cause I also see that he has a custom midwatch. And that t-shirts. I like your eyes. So how much? Like give us a price range. Mine like 300 and above. For everything. I'm a kila kitu. Kila kitu na bei ake. I'll kila kitu na bei ake. Basically let me say we have categorized that into two markets. There's the up market and there's one inchakaida. Sayo bia mkupatia niya wana inchakaida. Yani wana fans wetu aki kawa, wana inchua kawa ida. Sikubaya na siyati na tukiamtu, lakini niwana inchakaida. Mi personali ni mi kach. Ya, so kuna. Mi ekikuta niyuna kando niya mbeilea. Allah fela fia. There's that and then also the fact that now being a DGC, you've created rapport, you have so many friends. I don't charge friends as in the way you charge. Ya. Ya, I have buddies akina mika, akina producers akina mika. The guys you're dressing up kutu umpolepole. Ya. So we don't charge them exactly. Kus there's that rapport we get. So kuna takapia, friendship i do mu. So kuna bei piyama besti. Ya. Ya. So people are there. Okikua besti angle. I know kyu amgei wata kuja wata wata wata wata. Okikua besti. Okikua besti. So you didn't tell us what products do you make. Adadanzi niya mewa. Kuna zingine? Next, this one's for the hand for. And then for the legs, for anklets. Ya. And then bags, ya ni the porches. I just did, ya, I designed them. Ya. There's something I forgot to ask you. Is this something that you learn naturally or someone did it in your family? Ya, ni, I've grown up in a silent Narok. So it's just a common thing. It's a common thing there. That's a tradition. Ya, to make beads work. So it's the hassle there. Ya, it's just a hassle to get in Narok. So you have to learn how to make those beads but you have to be very, very patient. Ya, so that you can learn. Uke kwa siya iwe nii wa utachi kia forever. Is there any, like do you go to, there are these events that are usually set up for people to showcase their products. Do you attend such events? Ya, basically we've done that. We've done some rock fests. We've done, let's say like two. And really it really sold out. Then Nairobi Guitar Fest. Actually we were privileged. Actually that was before. They made an order. So currently we've ornamented some two Ibanez ambassadors. Okay, Ibanez is a big company that does guitars. It's international. These ladies were from South Africa. They are the ones who are representing Africa. So when they were coming over we were privileged to ornament them up with some necklaces. We've also done some big DJs, like Hue skills and Lekwiji. Ya, and you can say we were thinking of Flea Market. But it's still, the Flea Market. They've been interested but we are still talking. Ya, ya, because we're still not getting through with the agreement in terms of cuts. So you know rock. Rock as it is. There is like a stereotype to it. It's not very, if you allow me to say it. Ya, it's okay. It's not very... So does that collide with you making the jewelers? Not really. Not really. Not really. Not really. Okay, because myself I'm an instrumentalist in a church and I've been an instrumentalist in one of the renown churches for a while and I've just been like this all the way ever since. So it's easy. It's easy. Just up to you. Ya, it's just a... It's just a manushama. Ya. Seriously, no you... Seriously, honestly. We people have their beliefs in this. Ya, it's okay.  Seriously. Ya, ya, ya. So it's just a nushama. Me, I'll stick to that. So where do you want your company to move from here? Like this small company? I want it to be big. Ya. So I can sell for international. Call your name. Ya. International. Ya. I want to go it... I want it to be international. Ya. At least I can say that I'm an artist. Ya. That's nice. Where can people find you on social media everywhere, everywhere? Social media link up on... Ya, you can just use skills. Ya, you'll find me there. Somehow you'll just find us there. All my pages use skills. Facebook, use skills, Instagram. Use skills one and... Or Twitter, use skills. And then Facebook also, there's another page. It's more like... Ya, you can find us both. It's more like a page that is... Alcasios Lusangale. That's my page. How page she can tell you? A Facebook page? A Facebook page is a pretty bella. Ya. Ya. And if you wanted... If someone wanted to get trained... Do you train people? Ya, I can train people. Ya. Ya. How many people are you training so far? Just one. Just one. Ha, no, I'm telling you, I'm kind of early. So, is this the one or... Can I join that team to Kwaewa really? Because it's an interesting craft and you can make a lot of money out of it.  Ya. Ya. Even? Even the clothes, this one, I can just design it. Ya. Ya. Okay. Even this one is my work. Just went to the tailor to put this way, this way, this way. Ya. So, where's the tailor? Unam patia to design, awo ni unnam per design. Ya. Pia, no na izi fule, ame kashanga nese kakwangu wa iwe. Uzi lemgo zamasa isu. Ujupam una zi ume on masai wa tiva. Ya. Ya. Nikuwa na meki yuza zamani. But is nesa mek bado, intu wa kitaka. Ya. Hew skills. Ya. Good job. Asante sana. Asante few more things asante sana. Ya. So, I want us to get back to the DJ. You also a DJ? Ya, I'm also a DJ. It's just a genre that differs. Okay. Ya. DJ, I understand that you have a company that you have. What exactly do you do? What? What does your company deal in? It's an entertainment company. Training of DJs, sound for hires, and also the machines for hires. And in future, I'd like to make it big at least. Nikuwa na kastoma zwingi, but it's just starting. Don't need me answer too recently. So, how many people are you training so far? So far, I have 10 students that I'm training. So, wait, hold up. So, DJing is not something that just comes naturally. Lazi mo wende shule to understand. Like me, I'm training from YouTube. See, lazi mo wende shule. Boratukuna, the right, ukuna internet na unezakupu. Alafu another thing. Shkilia maipua. Another thing piya ni passion. If you have the passion, uta jua DJing harakasa ana. But just kwaizu wa twengi ono nangati. Ku DJ tu ni kuchu kuwa wimbo kuwa kahuku kuwa kahuku. Ebuan biawatu trwa shule kuwanza.  Everything is passion. Make ornaments, be a DJ. No, no, no, no, no. Ya, you have to, wuna lazi mo kuna passion. Doe zeku kufanyai staf. Bila passion, atakama wuna train for three, four, five years. We still remain up to how to go. Kusawa nile passion. So, yon doktun neza ambiawatu. When you're ataku join DJing, first kuna passion and then make a right choice. Si usi fanya DJing just because yon amfalme mehita mehenda majuwa na pata na domob. Kama ini passioniako do it. Kama puku kuku passionate na masomo, sooma, love DJing nezi fanya. Kama patch time. And then where can people find you on social media? Ya, social media. On Instagram, it's dj underscore kimchi that is k-i-m-c-h-d-b-i. I have a YouTube account djkimchi. Twitter is dj underscore kimchi that is k-i-m-c-h-d-b-i. Then a Facebook page djkimchi. Yon next gig, wakita kakupata on your next gig wanatka kujapumalip na play. They'll have to follow me na niopatia this. Jwa sayi badom freelancing. But move on ya corporate events for the time being senye niko. Niko around. Okay. So guys, there you have it. That was djkimchi and huge kills. And family on studio.  You can do very little things and make a lot of money. So don't you go anywhere. We will be right back after this short musical break.


J-E-L-L-O! The Jell-O program starring Jack Benny with Mary Livingston, Phil Harris, Kenny Baker, and yours truly, Don Wilson. The Orchestra opens a program with That's What We Do Over Here. The Sons of the American Legion, squadron number 241 in Philadelphia, gave an officer's dinner a short time ago, and they sent us one of their main news. Well, here's what topped off the meal. Dessert, a la Jack Benny. Yes, sir, you've guessed it, that was Jell-O. A swell combination of orange, lemon, and lime with that real extra-rich fruit flavor, and covered with whipped cream. Judging from the reports, it made a great hit. And after all, that's not so very surprising because everybody enjoys those six delicious extra-rich flavors, as tempting and refreshing and satisfying as the real ripe fruit itself.  So when you want to desert the family as sure to welcome, look for those big red letters on the box. They spell Jell-O, and Jell-O spells a treat. That's What We Do Over Here, played by The Orchestra. Now, ladies and gentlemen, as you all know, Jack Benny and Phil Harris are busy working on a new Paramount Picture Man About Town and will not be here today. So in the meantime, Kenny and I are going to carry on and try to entertain you with songs and jokes. And I'm sure that we'll all have a good time. I got a sweet little headache. I was out late last night. I've been out celebrating since Jell-O has won that fight. Rochester. I got a sweet little headache. Rochester, cut that out. This dressing room is no place for a serenade. And furthermore, I wish it helped me get dressed. I'm chilly standing here in my underwear. You shouldn't be as long enough. Rochester, the only reason I'm wearing this kind of underwear is to fill my legs out. So no comments. What are you going to wear today, boys? Well, the scene is a very formal dinner party in an English mansion. So give me my full dress suit. The one you bought outright? Yeah, that's the new one.  OK, here's the pants. Hold steady, boys. Careful now, don't get them wrinkled. I won't have time to get them pressed. There you are. Yeah. Say, these trousers are beautiful, aren't they? Yeah, but they're too long. Shall I roll them up, tuck them in, or snip them a little? Leave them alone. I'll pull them up. Let me try on the coat and see how that is. Here you are, boys. Thanks. Say, the coat's a little big, too. Mr. Benny? Mr. Benny, where are you? I'm right in here, Rochester. Don't get excited. Pull the collar down and give me some air. It'll be all right. Doggone it, I need a back collar button. I forgot to bring some. I'll go next door and borrow one from Phil Harris. See, here comes Claudette Colbert. Hello, Claudette. Who is it? Jack Benny, darn this suit. Well, here's Phil's dressing room. Look at that corny gold star on the door. How do you do, sir? Oh, pardon me, I've got the wrong room. I'm looking for Phil Harris. These are his quarters. Whom shall I see his calling, please? Jack Benny, I came to borrow a collar button. I'm very sorry, sir. I can't disturb Mr. Harris. He's in a mood. He's in a what? In a mood. He's studying his part. Well, I hate to break the spell, but tell him Prince Charming is here and he'd like to borrow a collar button. I'm terribly sorry, sir, but Mr. Harris is fiercely temperamental, isn't he? Elkins, Elkins I say. Hmm, Elkins. Stop that dreadful chattering. Who is it anyway? It's a gentleman about a collar button, sir. Well, buy a couple and send him away. Now, wait a minute, Phil. It's me, Jack. Roper or Benny? Benny, Roper isn't up yet. Oh, hello, Jack. I didn't see you in that suit. Oh, you didn't. Well, if you want to know something, the suit was imported from England. Oh, heaven forbid. I wasn't talking to you. Hey, Phil, I need a collar button. Have you got one? I think so. Elkins, have we a collar button we can lend Mr. Benny? Well, can he be trusted, sir? Don't worry. I'll leave a deposit. Say, Phil, this is a lovely dressing room. Well, gee whiz, have you got a shower bath? I sure have. Well, it's very ritzy, Phil. I don't know how you rate this. Tea is served, Mr. Harris. Thanks, Elkins. I'm famished. Tea? My goodness. What are those, crumpets? No, that's cornpone. Mr. Harris. I say, Mr. Harris, doots on it. That I can understand. Tea and cornpone, what a combination. Mr. Benny, will you have your tea in a cup or in a saucer? Just bring it. How I drink it is my own business. And where's my collar button? A collar button, sir? Oh, never mind. I'll use a thumbtack. I'm getting out of here. See you on the set, Lord Harris. How'd he ever get a dressing room like that?  Well, here's my room. Oh, pardon me. I've got the wrong dressing room. I wish they put my name on my door. Oh, here it is. Say, boss, I was just coming to get you, Miss Livingston's here. Oh, hello, Mary. Hello, Jack. I thought I'd come down and watch you work. Have you got a big scene today? Well, it's not so big, Mary, but it's very emotional and calls for every dramatic trick at my command. You see, it's pathos, yet mingled with comedy. And at a certain point, I have to make a transition that will convince the audience of my sincerity and complete domination. Oh, brother. Well, just wait, and you'll see some real acting. Say, Mary, how do you like my new full dress suit? I'm kind of dolled up, ain't I? Yes, top hat, white tie, and tent. Well, I'll grant you, this suit is a little roomy, but I like freedom in my clothes. Well, you certainly got it. You could ring the Liberty Bell in there. That's a good one, Miss Livingston. You stay out of this, end man. Anyway, I've got other things in my mind. I just came from Phil's dressing room, and I don't know why Paramount gives him a better one than mine, while there's no comparison. Oh, it's your own fault, Jack. Why don't you fight for things once in a while? This room is terrible. Yeah, I'm ashamed to invite my friends here. Well, that's too bad. I'm just worried sick about that. Well, there isn't a chair in the room with over three legs. Then look at that big hole in the floor. That hole? Well, I'm really to blame for that. We thought there was oil under here. All right, Rochester, just for telling, I'm going to kick you right out of the syndicate. But you're right, Mary, I'm going to do something about this. Rochester, get Mr. Hornblow on the phone. OK, boss, give me a nickel. Here, and that's another thing. Everybody else has a free telephone. This thing has gone just about far enough. Oh, you're always talking, but you never do anything. I don't. I'll find out in a minute just how I stand around here. I can tell you now and save you a nickel. Is that so? Here you are, boss. Give me that phone. Hello, Mr. Hornblow. This is Jack Benny. Yes, it's me again. Now look, Mr. Hornblow, I've been at Paramount for a long time, and I think I ought to have a new dressing room. I know, but how come Phil Harris has a shower bath and I have to wash in the fire bucket? Why, twice this week, the brigade snatched it right from under me. I know, but Phil Harris, but Phil, but, but, but. Here we go again, folks. Quiet. What? But look, Mr. Hornblow, I don't want to stay in this dressing room. I haven't got anything to sit on. Oh, that's very fun. Now look, Mr. Hornblow, here's what I want. I want new chairs, a shower bath, Venetian blinds, a floor lamp. Roller skates. Roller skates. Mary, I'm not talking to Sandy Claws. What's that? Well, thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Hornblow. I'll appreciate that. Goodbye. Well, that's more like it. Gee, Jack, are you going to get all that stuff? Only the roller skates, but it's a beginning. Hey, Rochester, tune in the radio. I want to see what they're doing on our program. I can't, the dial's all rusty. Well, use the pliers like I do. He never knows what to do. I got it. And here's another one, ladies and gentlemen. Little Jack Horner sat in a corner eating a dish of jello. He stuck in his spoon and started to croon J-E-L-L-O. Well, that's very cute. So you see, folks, you too can be happy with this tempting dessert. It comes in six delicious flavors, strawberry, raspberry, cherry, orange, lemon, and lime. Wilson is having a Roman holiday there. And now, folks, Kenny Baker, our popular young tenor, will sing, what's it going to be, Kenny? I'm going to sing a number called Strange Enchantment from Paramount's new picture, Man of Outtown, starring Bill Harris. What? You heard me. Wait till I get my hands on him. Like sandalwood, the magic of this oriental gnaw, and blue. Strange Enchantment sung by Kenny Baker. And now, ladies and gentlemen, we will have some more of my original nursery rhymes. Jack and Phil went up the hill to get a dish of jello. Jack fell down and broke his crown, and Harris laughed like anything. Turn off the radio, Mary. OK. I think she's cute. And I'm plenty burned up about Kenny Baker. Imagine him saying, man, about town, starring Phil Harris. Phil, I should put him up to that. Yeah. You know, Mary's discussing the way Phil tries to steal every scene in the picture. He's always doing something to draw attention away from me. Well, you don't have to worry today with that suit you've got on. Yes, if I can remember to keep my head out. Starring Phil Harris. I'm starring in that picture with Dorothy Lamour. And another thing, if Phil doesn't stop telling Dorothy that I've got asthma, I'm going to have him thrown right off this lot. No kidding. Did he tell Dorothy you've got asthma? Yes. Now, every time I do a passionate love scene with her, she feels sorry for me. I'll get even with that guy. Hey, boys, here's your makeup, man. My makeup, man? Oh, yes. Hello, Twinkle. Hello, Mr. Benny. Are we ready for our daily tussle with Father Time? I suppose so. Then tuck this towel around your neck, and let's get going. OK. And, Twinkle, don't put so much makeup on my chin. Yesterday, you buried my dimple. I did? Yes, and everybody was asking for it. So be careful.  Mary, I'm not ashamed of the color of my hair. I'm prematurely grayed. You've been saying that for 35 years. Well, I was frightened when I was a baby. Oh, Twinkle, I think you ought to pluck my eyebrows a little. They've been growing like mad lately. OK. Say, boys. What is it, Rochester? Are you in the mood to reopen our monetary discussion? Rochester, if you're referring to that $10, I bet you, on the Louis Roper fight, I do not owe it to you. Well, Louis knocked Roper out, didn't he? Not entirely. Roper went down, but he started to get up. Man, can't you tell the difference between getting up and bouncing? You can talk all you want, Rochester, but you're not getting the $10. Oh, why don't you pay, Mr. Benny? You stay out of this. Who do you think you are, Chamberlain? Just keep making me up. That's all you're supposed to do. I never say anybody like you, Jack. You're always welching on bets. I am not. Anyway, Rochester will get his $10. I'm going to buy him that new vacuum cleaner he wants. Who wants? You wants and keep still. More arguments about money around here. Ouch! Twinkle, watch those tweezers.   Oh, well. Well, that's marvelous. Congratulations. Oh, it was nothing. Well, that is news.  What's the matter with it? Oh, well, I'll be darned. Twinkle, what did you do before you became a makeup man? I used to decorate Chinaware. Well, take those rose buds off my cheeks. I'm not a teacup. Why don't you concentrate on what you're doing, Twinkle? See, my face is a mess. What are you laughing at? Twinkle stinkles. That's what I say. Hiya, Jack. Hello, Mary. Hello, Kenny. Oh, it's you, Kenny. Why aren't you at NBC with Don? Oh, I got tired of his old nursery rhyme, so I thought I'd come and watch you shoot a scene. Is it all right? Sure, Kenny, but how'd you get through the gate? I told him I was your business manager. Oh, fine. So now you're my business manager. Mr. Bigger, can I have a word with you? Rochester, forget about that $10. My goodness.  Well, it's not so big, Kenny, but it's very emotional and calls for every dramatic trick at my command. You see, it's pathos yet mingled with comedy. And at a certain point, I have to make a transition that will convince the audience of my sincerity and complete domination. Yes, sir. See, this is a crummy dressing room. Kenny asked me a question, so I answered it. Incidentally, I heard that announcement you made of your song. What about it? You know what? I'm the star of the picture, not Phil Harris.  Oh, he did, eh?  Bet you're leaning on a broom. Nothing, I'm carrying a cane, a beautiful ebony cane with a silver handle on one end and a nail on the other. I knew you were going to say that. I knew it, I knew it. A janitor, eh? A janitor. Wait till I see Harris on the set. I'll give him a piece of my mind. They're all ready to be on the set, Mr. Benny. OK, come on, kids, they're waiting for me. All ready to shoot the scene. I'm going to rush ahead. Rochester, you bring my cane. OK. Don't stick yourself. See you on the set, kids. Shall I bring the dustpan? That belongs here. I'm not a janitor. So long. Gee, I hope I'm not late. Hey, pretty boy, I want to see you a minute. What's on your mind, Droopy? Listen, Phil, did you tell Kenny that I was playing the part of a janitor in this picture? Yeah, but I just did that for a rib. That's all I want to know. You and I are through, Phil. I don't want to talk to you again. Now, wait a minute, Jack, it was just a gag. Who'd ever believe you were playing the part of a janitor? Plenty of people. From now on, we're no longer friends. Come on, Mary, I want to talk to Mr. Sandridge, the director. Where's Kenny? Over there on Dorothy Lamour's lap. Oh, yes. And there's Edward Arno. Now, look, there's Benny Barnes, too. She's beautiful, isn't she? Oh, you think every blonde is beautiful? I do not. Name one. Nelson Eddy. So there. The blonde, if I ever saw one. Anyway, I think Benny Barnes is simply gorgeous. Hello, Benny. Hello, Benny. He's very witty, too. Hey, Rochester. Rochester. Quiet, quiet on the set. That assistant director is always showing off. You can't even say boo around here. Boo? Hey, you, quiet. See, what a fresh guy. Did you call me boss? Yes, where were you? I was over in the corner acclimating Mr. Harris's butler. I'm teaching him Central Avenue ping pong. Rochester, I told you not to bring those dice to this studio. Now throw them out. Not unless somebody feeds me. Don't be so stubborn. Hey, Jack, look at Kenny. Where? Now he's on Benny Barnes's lap. Yeah, that kid sure gets around. Kenny, come here. OK. Hey, you, quiet on the set. Darn that guy. Look, Mary, here comes Mark Sandrich, the director. Hello, Jack. Hello, Mr. Sandrich.  Oh, how do you do, Miss Livingston? I'm glad to see you. Now, why don't you smile? Mary. And Mr. Sandrich, this is Kenny Baker. Hello. Well, young man, are you having a good time here on the set? Am I? I'm going to my third lap now. You'll stay right here with us. Well, Jack, we're about ready to rehearse the scene in Lady Trumbly's drawing room. Oh, then Miss Barnes and Miss LaMoure aren't working today. No, they just came for the last. Oh. And incidentally, Jack, when you shoot the scene today, don't look right into the camera. You're not posing for a tin type. OK, I'll be careful. Well, let's get started. Lady Trumbly, Theodore, and Milford. Mary, Phil is Theodore, and I'm Milford. I got a better name than he did. All right, let's have one rehearsal, then we'll shoot it. Why rehearse? I know my part. Quiet, quiet on the set.  That guy drives me nuts. Quiet, quiet.  Yes, sir. And Theodore, you sit beside her. OK, pal. Pal, you hear that, Mary? And Milford, you sit over there on the ashtray. Fine, I'll look like a Rube Goldberg cartoon. Great place to sit. All right, let's start the scene. Everybody ready? I'm ready, let's go. Take it, Phil. You have the lovely place here, Lady Trumbly. Oh, I'm glad you like it, Theodore. You know Reggie used to visit here quite often. Ah, good old Reggie. I say, is he still at Monte Carlo? No, he's been at Beirut since he and Evelyn split up. Split up? My word. But then Reggie always was a bounder. No, I think it was Evelyn's fault. She's a terribly stuffy person. Nonsense, my dear. Reggie's a cad, and you know it. Oh, how can you say that? Well, Reggie has been terribly abused. Don't you think so, Milford? You said it, sister. Stop it, stop it. Now, what's the matter? Shaq, you don't call a title English lady sister. You just have three words. You said it. Gee, Mr. Sandler, I was just trying to make it more emphatic. That's all? Well, don't be adding to your part. Film doesn't grow on bushes, you know. Oh, all right. Now, let's take it once more. And Theodore, I think it'd be a little better if you defend Reggie instead of Lady Trumblay. It's more believable that way. OK, Mark. Say, why can't I defend Reggie? Quiet, quiet on the set. Oh, sure. Say a word here, anyway. Oh, get out of here, Mary. Stop laughing. Now, let's run through it once more. Remember the change? OK, let's go. You have a lovely place here, Lady Trumblay. I'm glad you like it, Theodore. You know, Reggie used to visit here quite often. Shaq! My throat was dry, for goodness sake. Good old Reggie. I say, is he still at Monte Carlo? Oh, no. He's been at Beirut since he and Evelyn split up. Split up? My word. Jeepers creepers. Shaq, Shaq, what's the matter with you? Well, I want to say something. I'm an actor, not a sphinx. Now, you've got enough to do, so be satisfied. Continue, Lady Trumblay. I don't blame Evelyn. Reggie always was a bounder. No, I think it was Evelyn's fault. She's a terribly stuffy person. Nonsense, my dear. Reggie's a cad, and you know it. Oh, how can you say that?  Don't you think so, Milford? Puff. Don't you think so, Milford? Yeah. Far heaven's sake, Shaq. Why don't you answer, Phil? We're not speaking. That's why. Shaq, we're trying to make a picture. I can't be annoyed with your personal affairs. Well, I can't be annoyed with answering Phil Harris. Whose picture is this, anyway? Quiet, quiet on the stand. Oh, yeah? Well, I'm going to punch you right in the nose. You would, you brute. Fine cooperation I'm getting on this picture.  No, wait a minute, Shaq, don't get excited. Excited? Now, look, Mr. Sandler, I've been studying this scene for these days. I know it isn't a big part, but it's very emotional. It calls for every dramatic trick I know. You see, it's pathos, yep, mingled with comedy. And a certain point, I must make a transition that will convince the audience of my sincerity and complete domination. Now, if you think you can get somebody else to do that, go ahead and get Barrymore. I'm leaving. Rochester, give me my top hat and cane. Sorry, boss, the dice will get me. Oh, that's all I need. You said it. That's my line.  Quiet, quiet on the stand. Oh, nuts. I bet that all of you women have said to yourselves, I don't believe there is anything new to have for dessert. Well, ladies, I'm glad to say that you're wrong. And here's the proof. It's the new jello butterscotch pudding, rich with true butterscotch flavor, the kind you've loved since you were a youngster. It's creamy and mellow, and it has a delicate, golden, taffy color that really makes you hungry just to look at it. Jello butterscotch pudding has that old-fashioned homemade goodness, a marvelous flavor and texture, why it all but melts right in your mouth. Then try jello chocolate pudding, rich and smooth and real chocolatey, the kind your family loves. And a jello vanilla pudding, delicate and creamy, so tempting to look at that you know that you have a real treat. All three new jello puddings are made with fine, wholesome ingredients. They're quick and easy to prepare. You'll find the simple directions on every package. Why don't you buy three packages at a time? Ask your grocer tomorrow for jello butterscotch, chocolate and vanilla pudding, the real homemade kind. This is the last number of the 30th program in the new jello series, and we will be with you again next Sunday night. But I'd like to announce, folks, that Daylight Saving Time goes into effect over some of these stations next week. So if your community is affected, don't forget the change. Say, Jack, what's Daylight Saving Time? Well, you see, Mary. I know, it's pathos yet mingled with comedy and calls for every dramatic trick at your command. That's not it at all. Good night, folks. Next week, Daylight Saving Time goes into effect in many places. With this result, there will be a change in time for this program on some of these same stations. Consult your local newspaper for the time on your stations. Kenny Baker appears on the jello program for courtesy of Mervyn and Roy Productions, the part of Mark Sandwich was played tonight by Russell Hicks. This is the National Broadcast Inc.