We'll start with general public comments. And Devin, do you hear for general public comment? I am. I am here for public comment. Hi, everybody. Thanks for everything you do. It was brought to my attention that there are some problems with the rental properties that are owned by Frank Piazza. And I'm concerned, I'm concerned for the tenants there that the building isn't safe. I'm really, I've been in touch with Dick Valentinetti, and he's terrific as the health officer. And I understand you guys got this letter, or copy of this letter. Is that the one that Dick sent out? The Dick sent. And so Frank apparently has until the 27th of this month somewhere around there to respond to some of these concerns. I understand that the property that the house that he owns is now for sale. And it doesn't have the term that was used with cistern. I looked it up, I'm thinking, is that septic? Is that drinking water? Whatever, there's an issue with the house that isn't going to be fixed before it's sold. I guess my concern is I'm hoping that this elect board is aware and on top of this, and that we as a town support improvements to the building, and however that can happen. And if Frank, if the owner, whoever would be in the situation, is in compliance that we're willing to move forward to take action to make sure it is. The building comes into compliance with current health standards, with current safety standards, and these are rental units in a time that rentals are, I don't have to tell you. I mean, we want them to be called right. These are people who are coming to more town. We want our town to be a town that is a welcoming place, that is a safe place, that is a place that people want to move to. We've been talking about that for years, too. And I think that our rental units being in compliance on all levels is indicative of the attitude of the town select board and the people. So I'm here to lend my support to say that I will be back because I want to know that whatever needs to be done to bring these buildings into compliance so that they are safe for rental units is being done and supported by the select board, and we're not dragging our feet on this because it's not new news, right? I mean, we are, I know. And so it's time because there are grants out there. There is the will out there to bring rental units, to bring buildings into compliance. And this is the time, and this is the time for us as a town to say, yes, we support this even more than after Irene. And I know it's difficult because I dealt with that building during Irene and after Irene is owning an administrator. So I'm not saying this is easy stuff. This is our time. That's all. And I want to say, I support it. I support you. Dick Valentinetti has been great. That I plan on staying informed on this and to lend my support and be there. So that's what I wanted to say. Are you talking about the house down here by Herbal Road or the apartments? I'm talking about both. The apartments are, see, we don't want to talk about what really could happen with those apartments because we don't want to put people out at this time when housing is so difficult. So how can we support the property owner in coming into compliance? And if there's not a will there to do it, what recourse do we have to make it happen? Because Moortown is an outstanding place to live and be. And that's what we want all of our buildings to show. That's what we're doing with the town hall and the library. And we want to do it with all the buildings in town. Well said. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Really, thank you guys for all of your work. I'll be back. Thank you. Are you known to call us? Yeah, but you should say from there. I'd say you won't. I'm just saying, maybe you know, that was just me calling. Yes, you're up next. We're here next roll on up. And if you could say who you are. Yes, my name is Nicole Malone. And I actually live in the building. I'm sorry, Nicole, I couldn't take last. Malone, and the alumni. So I've been a resident for almost two years. I've been living at 1013. And I've been working almost this whole time to ensure that the buildings maintain our rent was going towards upkeeping our living situation. There are seven of us living there. All of us are facing near-condemnable conditions, where being retaliated against with threats of eviction, of intimidation, of nothing being done. I would just want to be part of this conversation. I've been in touch with Dick, who's been wonderful. But also, we've been dealing with this for over a year. I've spent a lot of time reaching out to Vermont label aid, to Vermont emergency rental assistance programs, and so on and so forth. But we're only so resource to do these things on our own, especially when dealing with someone who will not communicate. We've reached out to mediators and really trying to do what we can. We've tried to make our own repairs, yet we can't access funds to do so from DRAB because he pretty much stands in the way. We aren't getting our rental rebates because he denied printing to us. He's affected our credit score. He, I mean, people are getting injured. They're falling through porches. Our boots are leaking. There's infestations. And I mean, the list goes on and on. So I just want to invite you to include me in this conversation. We've been doing a lot of work trying to communicate and work on mutually beneficial outcome, where the building is in good standing order, the tenants are doing their part, and the landlord is also doing his part. I think that's pretty much all. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions. We've been keeping a pretty good record of what's going on there. But yeah, we all work in the town. We're teachers. We're librarians. We're postmen. So we really would like to stay here because if the building becomes condemned, we're all out of our home. And I don't know where we'll go. But we'll certainly let you stay here. Thank you. That's all. Thanks so much for your time. And I really didn't know Nicole was coming to us. I just liked last night. Well, we did. So it's really right now in France, I'm not in France, in our health inspector and also the town lawyer. I mean, it's what we can do. So we pass it on to him just to make sure whatever we can do as a town, we are limited somewhat. Whatever we can do, we are willing to do to bring those places up to, you know, livable places that are reasonably perfect. So. OK. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Gentlemen, well, actually, we have one more thing for you. And we should have been tax rates, so it's not that fun. So we'll be right back. Charley, just make sure it's coming on. OK, Charley? So I can't email you all this tax rate last week. I'm not sure if you have a chance or if we can have a look at it or not. But there's a couple of different options that we can go with. If we go with standard option that we normally would tax in reasonably 14 cents, if you decide that you want to use some urban funds for loss revenue, which is a lot of it, it would go to $0.51. 10 cents, I mean, Chris. Yes, instead of 14. So, Charley, my question, John, is the deficit that you are showing here is only from the end of the year last year, it's not the budget overruns we've had already this year with increased travel and fuel prices, right? Correct. So this, I think we're probably $30,000 over our budget now. I'm just stabbing at that. I'd say we're $30,000. I think it's almost, I almost feel like we should increase this $35,000 and cover the debt that we are already over this year. I don't believe we need to do that. You can't do that. Now, you can only put what was voted on by the voters. OK. But you can't use after funds for loss revenue. So at the end of the year, we're $30,000 over budget. OK. We can use after funds. So it's up to a good sense of it. Yeah. Thank you. OK. All right. That was my question. Sharon, you're starting to announce it. There's an exception you hear about. I just wanted to point out that the major reasons for this was obviously the budget increase. Whole farmers currently use a lot of people pulled out this year, so the $60,000. That's about almost $15,000 difference. Those are really the two items that would up the $14,000. And the grand list value also did not go up very much this year by then. Which is kind of surprising. Yeah. Yeah, it is. We didn't consider you being able to place the property in selling it for a year. Well, you won't see that changes until the reappraisal's done. We didn't have as many houses that were built this year, like when H&H was building their houses over the Gallipurakers. We had a house after a house went up. So that's why we saw the large increase in the previous years. But this year, the building did not happen. The other source of revenue that I've looked into, and I haven't got an answer back from the lawn, is we have a lot of parts from the $135,000. $135,000. Yeah. It was $131,497. And that was, remember, we had the money that would put away the renaissance power? Well, OK. And there still hasn't been any action on that. So I've contacted Ron to see if at this point there's a statute of war because there hasn't been any return of any of the ties we're trying to reach out, whether we can use that money. So that's just sitting there. So what I'm thinking is we look at everything here tonight. And then part of the negative decision on the tax rate, let me get an answer from Ron. And then we can just meet through Zoom the next by the end of the week, or the catalyst, so that we can get this thing out. We'll give us a couple of days to be all right with that, Sherlyn. Yeah. Perhaps. Look for $131,000. Just not Friday. Unless you want to do it without me, too. No, you could do it Thursday. I think it'll be fairly quick. So why don't we go ahead and just continue to discuss what we want to do? But was that other possibility of that rather than this? The only thing that could happen on this Thursday would be in the morning, because we all saw that it got meeting at 8 o'clock. 8 o'clock. It's not even 8 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, maybe at 7.45 we'll be in the two-minute thing, where we just accept eating it out. That meeting is live here, all right? Yeah. Thursday is fine. Yeah. So it might be hard to zoom in. All right, well, this live here, there's enough you can do. Yeah, then we're all set. We're all set, thank you. Yeah, that would be great. All right. Thank you. Because I really hesitate to go out with you. I would sort of like to bring this tax rate down. Yeah. Give it a little bit closer to where we were. I sure see a little area on the budget to increase it. We're going to put $1,210,000, $1,366,000 articles from out from 48 to 61. So we've also had people vote it on, but I would still like to hopefully get an answer on that before we even find out the termination on the tax rate. I do have comparisons from previous years if you're interested in that or not. In 2018, it went down nine cents. That was a big drop. In 2016, it was like a huge drop in there too. So you can see where it's kind of going up and down. There fluctuates with a number of things. We're about there, I think. Really, what really drives it is not when this whole budget is struggling at all, it's the scoop. And when there's, I mean, ours is, it's going up, but where it's coming from. It's not been in the school rate. Yeah, the school rate is very long, but it's the school that we had a million dollars on, say, at this point, so. But on our, if we can add more revenue to it, we can help with that. But surely, I want to thank you, Ron, for sort of putting this together and having all the back up where it came from. It makes it easy to know and then certainly when we have questions, this always we get this out here next week that you'll have questions, I'm certain. And you'll know where to keep it. So I suggest you keep this a little packet, but make sure you put it together. And so we'll get together on Thursday, if that's all right. Yeah. Don, John, any questions for the new folks? We'll zoom in on Thursday. Is that what you think? Yeah, I think the combination of both. Because a couple of people are going to be here anyways. And so we have to have, someone has to be here. So we'll do it both, you know, a combination. So that way, if you're at work or on a personal bed. Yeah, I don't think that's what you said. I think I need to make it down here. All right. All right. So you have a question from Ed and Paul? Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, gentlemen. Very much. John, let's roll on up if you want to. Thank you. How much time do you have on the board? How much? How many washburn? Town or streeter? Town works, look. John, hold it both. Remember, John, what about? Supposed to be the Bell, No, Me, Sam, Bill, Brett, Brian, that's a good of a staff sheet. Basically, what we've done in the last three years, obviously, we haven't had a contract. I just want to say, guys, there's something to look at here. Is that one sheet? Just one sheet, yeah. This is just what they're cruising through the area. Correct. As well as, I would say, details when we're in the area, as well. And so that's what we're trying to get out of. Yep. Sorry, I've done one of the slides, I'll turn it on in the line here. I didn't know that often. Yep, she does. OK. All right, go ahead, John. OK. So we are here at your request. So, well, again, so this was something that, again, you've done, I'm sorry, I distracted there for a second. As you're going through town, are you just doing this? That is well, some highway safety details, and we've only been in the area. Not a lot of activity, part of it was obviously during COVID. As well, we lost a full-time patrolman back in August of 2020. We've actually hired one gentleman back on. Oh, one point, thank you. And just hired another gentleman back on, now filling us back in. We're back to hopefully being able to do some things and boost up our patrol contracts in the area. The hard part for us as well as all other law enforcement is when I came to the department 18 years ago, we had approximately 15 patrol deputies. And now we have about five. It's hard to get people who want to do the work, the training to become a part-time certified or level two, which is called now. It's super hard for everybody, it has a full-time job, so it's really limited us on finding the reason of office and the reason of deputies that used to fill a lot of our patrols. So we have changed things up where, when I first started, our civil process guys didn't really do much of anything to improve the patrol. And now our two civil process people fill in and do some patrol, we have a full-time deputy who does patrol, Brett on his days off, does a pitch to the patrol, our other state deputies on his days off and some highway safety stuff that easily does some patrol. So we've got two other part-timers that they fill in and do a little patrol now and then. So we're trying to piece it together as much as we can to try and get out with the contract times that we have, try and fill whatever needs you can. How many hours do you have now, a little? We might have four, maybe a week, you might be able to do, oh, sorry, how many hours for you guys? Right, yeah. Anywhere from four to five hours a week I may be able to do some weeks do twice that amount, depending on, because what my intentions probably would be is that people are working in the valley as either they would catch coming out or catch coming back in and kind of work it together and make it so it actually works out for one time. You may pay the mileage going out but the next day you may not depending on which will help you guys in some ways. But as well, it kind of does a joint area as well. So it gives me the ability to schedule things a little bit better and organizing, like I said, by putting them either in place of your own area to start with and just coming back into town on the way back through. It just makes it for a full day of patrol for them. And nights, just seeing how nights and weekends are extremely hard because there's sort of short staff and we don't have the staff that's available to work the nights and weekends like we used to have. And again, I had a full time patrol on that. That I can work in to be able to do some of the weekend stuff. Again, generally what I would do again is work in the valley area. They'd probably come in from the valley or vice versa and be able to work some of that out as well. But you need another, you need to hire another person. We would like you to, the problem is, is even, you know, we knew that with your new budget you voted in $20,000 for patrol. For 20, even if you gave us the full $20,000 we couldn't hire a full time deputy. So currently, we run into the same problem that we have for the last 18 years and we were just talking about it again, is during the summer with construction projects we can still for about eight months but then what do we do with the other person for the other four months over the winter? So we've been trying really hard. Unfortunately, since we've met with you last which was in many years ago, we even had to give up our core contracts which provided several patrol people. Part-time nights and weekends after they got done working in court because we just couldn't staff it. Just didn't have the people. So we lost five positions that we had with full-time positions in the court. And it's not just an ush of the chutes. It's a long, long-forsaken battle. Everybody said that for one thing that we used to do as well as some of the guys worked full-time for other departments who come work for us part-time, those guys are working overtime. It's beyond in their own departments where to the point that they don't want to work long-forsaken over the period, it's getting to be, so it's getting really tough in the whole period to do any of it. So we just want to be really realistic on what the expectations are. That what we were able to provide. The other thing that we always like to do is we like, if you decide you want to contract with us, there's people that have been here in the past know we like to have a contact person so that if complaints come through, the one contact person gets in touch with normally it would be Brett currently to let them know so we can organize the patrols from certain areas and certain kinds or if you have a certain vehicle that you're dealing with that you get a lot of complaints with. Because what has happened in the past when we've had a lift into one person is we have you call us and say you go this part of town and you call us and say you go this part of town and we're pulling our hair out because we're always in the wrong place. Only the more we feel that things are going great. The next thing I know, I got John calling saying, I need you to come to our meeting. Get here at the point where this boom, this and all is happening. Well, if we'd known about it when it was happening, we could deal with it. Now, six months later, and we've dealt with it before different contracts, but if we can just get a contact, communication, communication, communication. That's it, that's it, that's it. You know, email or give me a phone call, whatever way it works so well and any information the time of day it's happening or the day of the week it's happening works out very well. I don't want to schedule something at seven o'clock in the morning or at seven o'clock at night. Thanks. I think our best communication right now is with Warren where Cindy will text me or email me, sorry, and say, hey, could you spend some time the next couple of days on Main Street because this is our problem. And immediately, sometimes it's that day and we have a person out there and we can just, I can email that or call them and say, hey, this is the current problem today and we could take care of it. So we like the immediate response of what's going on so we can try and deal with it immediately. But through one person. Yes. It gets so convoluted we found if it's not. Yeah, that's good to hear that you're welcome to those type of calls or communication and reaction. I don't take it as whining or complaining, I take it as it's the information we need. Whatever you want to deal with the issue that's happening for you guys, we don't want to just be out here. I won't say wasting money, I mean being here is an odor to the area and there's an intruder, but we might try to deal with the action. And we were just having a conversation myself and a couple of different people the last couple of days over. Law enforcement gets a bad rap because we don't solve enough crime. You're not in the right place at the right time. Well, nobody wants to be a witness and nobody wants to talk to us about what's going on. So if we don't have that teamwork, that partnership, then we can't be really effective. So we encourage the partnership. Again, just to refresh people that are new or may have forgotten, the contracts that we take are primarily patrol contracts for motor vehicle patrol.  We are a first responder if we're in the area. If the state police gets a call, if it's a serious call, we will definitely respond to be a four small squire and quite often we can be there first. If they're busy, we will handle things in your area until they can get here and we can turn it over. But we do very well when working hand-in-hand with the state police to try and help cover everything as best as we all can because we're all sure-handed. As I suspect that will actually increase a little bit. The state police barracks want to be to Berlin. Right. There's no response time now. So you're not working on the valley. Probably going to be spending a fair amount of time in the area to be an a first responder as well, so. So do you have a copy of your contracts? Yeah, we talked about that. I've been on vacation for the last week. Came in, I've been playing catch up all day and we were trying to catch up on what time we had to be here and we'll have to bury the money. And then you can look at it. I can't even tell you, I think the patrol weight is somewhere in the mid-30s plus mileage at this point. Well, I think we're really interested in doing something we've, which will be kind of white as well. They are so short-staffed, they can't afford to put anyone or do anything. So we'd certainly like to, you know, I think do something, we have a little money in the budget. Like I said, it's not a lot, but we wanted to come dip our toe in and see what happens with it and what type of response we get. So if we send that contract and we can, we'll take a look at it. I think I'll, in our next meeting, we could approve something if we fell in and let you know if we had any questions at that point and get actually to come in or maybe jump on Zoom or something. And our contracts have been pretty straightforward. Pretty much probably has been the same as what you've seen before. For the most part, we have really good work for us and they work for the communities. And again, we're here to try and be a partner with you. We can't be everything to everybody, but we try and help everybody we can. Right, now we understand that. But we're really going at this point kind of to your belly with is the motor vehicle stuff that's going on. A lot of speeding, whether it's through a channel or a pony framer or a common road. Same place as all the places. Yeah, all those places. Yeah, it's a mountain road. It's a mountain road, George's Board, so. Last one, I remember it was 66 and a third year but it had me in a framer on my way back in. Yeah. On a midnight, one night, coming back to town. Wow. He was hammering, he actually was accelerating instead of slowing down. Yeah, so that's a lot of bad stuff. So, but in that, we do something, right? It would still be better if we can sometimes be more specific about, if you're going to give us so many hours and a week what we would want, where we would want. That's correct.  The element of surprise for everybody is so much better because if you know you might just say it, hello, Fred, hey.  So, nothing happens when we're out there. So, we show up, we do our thing, we bill you the next week, it's going to be on a different day, different timeframe. Unless we hear from you that at 8.30 in the morning, we're having a problem on common road. Okay, well, we're going to go to wherever else and we'll just redirect and we can do that. Right, I think that's what we're looking for. We just want to build that input if we're having, we don't expect to micromanage you at all. Again, I want to know where the problems are. We're going to address those issues. Time of day is happening, what time is that happening? If you've got vehicle descriptions so we can deal with a single auto vehicle, whether people like to hear that or not, if I know it's Johnny Jones, I want to deal with Johnny Jones. I want to stop him, get him stopped from doing what it is unfortunately, most of the time. I can remember a meeting coming to a meeting here in a location apart, et cetera, and all these vehicles are doing this and it happened to be the guy that complained and told me we're at a part, but I got late getting home. So that happens, but you know what they're, that's what I'm looking for, I'm looking for that information. So I can address the issue when it's actually happening. And we really haven't had the problem here in the past that we have had in nearby communities where the select board would suggest that this person shouldn't be stopped or maybe we should take back this ticket because it's a brother family and that's not how we operate. No. So I don't read any color draft and say, I want you here during these hours for that, I want you to get in my people. Oh. Thank you. I'm sorry, but that was a neighboring town. The other thing that we've had problems a couple of times is that our contract is fairly generic that we provide law enforcement services because if we have to do what we're doing and if we come on to something, we have to do the law enforcement services to deal with it. But I had one town very upset with me because one of the select board members on Saturday was reviewing all the upcoming contracts. Ours was on her kitchen table and she had someone call and say, I think a drunk driver just drove by my house. So she grabbed her contract, said, yeah, they handled that, spent two hours trying to get in touch with somebody on Saturday and not going to get anybody. And then on Monday called me really mad that we didn't have anybody available. I said, well, number one, that's we don't come out on a response like that because this is what it would look like. It's going to take us an hour to find the deputy if we can. We're going to have to drive to the office, get a cruise and drive out here. So it's three hours after the drunk driver's gone by. Call the state police. Let them know so that they can put him on a BOL so that everybody can be looking for that person so that we're all working together on it and not waiting for us to have a contract with trying to make some miraculous drive. Because by the time those calls were made, where was that drunk driver? So it's not cost effective for us to come out and drive around in circles looking for that. And just to hit on some of the stuff like burglaries we were talking about, domestic abuse, those types of cases. First responders, yes. As far as the follow-up, the actual arrest and all that, just talk $20,000. If I get a drive from here to go to say St. Albans or Newport to follow up and do an investigation, spend half a day or a day up there, how much money do I just spend to yours that I could be doing patrol on that? Should be a state police issue. So that's why we don't handle those types of things. I'm not saying if we don't get information, pass it on to the state police. That happens very frequently. It's very common for us to come upon information and pass it on to different issues. We work very closely with the state police on those type of issues, as well as very strict plans. We work with them quite often. So we're involved in these different activities. It's just what- Because your problems are the same, people that are causing problems and very popular everywhere else. And these guys kind of, to me, know all the players. We transport a lot of players, so they're able to put pieces together in contact. I think, does anyone have any questions? I mean, what their role would be here? It's a role of patrolling for traffic. And certainly, if they saw something going on, they would step out or stop it. But they are not for cute problems that just happen like that. And as we, I'm not sure if we really hit on it. No different than if we're on patrol on the valley and something's happening here, we're going to be a first responder. If we're here and there's something happening in Wayne's Field, we're going to be a first responder to there. So maybe your day today and maybe Wayne's Field's day tomorrow, just so you're aware of that. Yeah, well, that's just something that we do. And, you know, we get a monthly report or how do you build on that? In general, he normally does the, I usually do, usually because of the amount of hours, there's not really enough to generate any interest. So normally I do a yearly report for your pound report that will tell overall what we're doing and then all the stats from the year. If you have them. Something in this form or something like that. It's a little bit similar. All the numbers and everything. I will say, if there's something that we have going and you want some stats going, call at me. All right, so I'm going to just call and ask the question we can reach out. Yeah, if you're so much concerned, you know, we're not doing X, Y, and Z. You want to see your stats, you can easily provide more traffic stops, more violations that we've written. And a criminal arrest, I had those on there. I mean, pretty simple to do this. Yep, no problem. That's good. Just so you know, you may or may not know, Brett and I are getting done the end of January. The guy that is running to replace me that's on the poet worked for us for 14 years, Mark Poolin. So the philosophy I don't believe is going to change that all come the first of the year. I knew his direction was more headed toward control. It's what I thought the dollar figure was going to allow for, I'll be open on it. We've talked quite a bit about it. He's in more of a direction and walking a mile, how he does, and taking on the different control contracts and making them not full service, but more of a direction that way, but money may not be there. I have followed in the footsteps of my predecessors that have always given, you are the lowest rate we charge. And every other sheriff department charges a much higher rate and sometimes the highest rate because of the potential of what we can get into and to be able to hire the people and pay the benefits and everything. So we've always done patrol, almost as a public service. So you're getting the best deal from the sheriff department. And we're actually working on our dollar figures today and we're just over 90,000, probably the outfit two cruisers this year. We don't have the price of the actual price for the cruiser yet. We're just trying to figure out where we're going to be and we're going to be about 90,000 plus this year to outfit two cruisers. That's not the same camera system we've got. You need to get them. We'll be two years in a row. We're going to be together. Unfortunately, two of the, well, not the newest ones will be last year's newest ones are spending more time at Ford than they are at our office. So, you know, you don't have $20,000 in that budget. Yes. And there's no way you're going to obtain that amount. You have me, you must have a rough idea of what you got on the amount you think you can do this year if you can. Well, if we averaged, I apologize for not having the figure, but if we averaged five hours a week times $35 an hour and say we put $15 for a mileage in that. So, 35 times five is what? 560, 165 plus 15 to 20 for mileage. So, that's, say, 150, 108 bucks a week times even 10 weeks, that's $1,800. So, we're not going to... I can get a little closer with that. We're not going to come anywhere near close to it. Depending on what happens with the new sheriff and what he's able to organize, will you be able to increase the budget? Maybe. Don't make any promises. And we don't want to promise anything that we can't promise. We may be able to do more in all of that. So, we just don't want to promise you 10 hours a week and only be able to write three. In some weeks, because the way we... Brett does a schedule, I'm going to say a week because it's the global week, but there's some weeks to mix it up that you may get two patrols, one in the morning and one in the afternoon, just to throw people off because they expect. You don't want to expect that every Thursday afternoon, that's when the sheriffs are going to be out. You want a Monday afternoon, a Wednesday morning, a Friday afternoon, mix it up. And mix it up. There is issues on the weekend by all means. We do have contracts, for example, in Roxbury. The big one is Sunday afternoons, when everybody's leaving the valley, had it back over the mountain. So, I organized contracts. I organized the contracts of the guys generally working in the valley, mump over the hill, and they'll work the Roxbury contract and end it out at the end of the day. So, those are things that we do. So, as you're thinking through the process, that's an issue. If we end up with a few years again. Unfortunately, that's been a real downfall. We're not seeing the traffic leaves a few years ago, but here and there, if we start seeing that traffic again, you might see issues in the valley. I have issues here on 100B or on 105. As you know, lately, we've been getting the traffic at the beginning of the weekend and the end of the weekend, because we're all staying up on the hill. We're not coming down all off, so. And the Friday night traffic, we're not seeing it now. It comes through Saturday morning. And also Thursday night, I don't know. It's crazy on Thursday nights. That's good to know, yeah. Can I just one last, if I'm going back to the top of the conversation, just would it, in the going into the future, as you mentioned, 20,000 from one town, doesn't really, it doesn't hire one guy. But if all the valley towns said pull together and pull their resources of money in their budgets, would that make any sense that it would maybe have the funds to bring them to the high ground? We have talked about that, and all that does at this point is shift a little bit, because then some of the smaller contracts, we may not be able to fill as much. And we have done several times I've done for more towns involved years ago, Watesfield and Warren, we even had Stowe Command and other Steetown and the state lease, and we all talk about staffs and we talk about numbers. If you start thinking you want to get into something that's 24-7 and full-time patrol, dispatch alone is going to cost this community $250,000, $275,000. The coverage for manpower is going to be a million to a million and a quarter. So you're looking at easily a million five to cover Watesfield, Warren, and more towns for 24-7 coverage. So with that said, right now you are talking about we have a joint contract with Watesfield, Warren. That is both of 16 hours, down 16 hours during the day, that is 16 hours at night, and Warren tosses in another three hours just in the morning. So that's one of the larger contracts has been a lot of discussion about face things jumping on, hasn't happened yet, because they get free service by emergency response. Guess who's going? We're right there. So they have not contracted with us yet, but that is one. There is discussion, it's back on the ball right now with Cabot on Marshfield and Plainfield, where they're going to do a joint contract in the future. That's looking so that, okay, it may be an eight hour day, but it'd be an eight hour day coming three towns. So those things are headed that way, whether or not that's something that you guys want to work with the town of Watesfield, Warren, and do a joint labor facing and come up with a dollar figure, that may be beneficial, as I think Watesfield now is $28,000, I think Warren's $33,000, I'd have to look, but if you're looking at $20,000 to add in to there, those figures may be getting more. Yeah. And it may not happen now. We do have a guy right now that might be interested in coming on, but we just can't support him full time, he has a full time job up. You know, after the first of the year, things could change, the next month, the season, things could change for everybody. As far as organizing, that's something that's definitely got to get us to the towns, because covering three towns instead of just two, explains it a little bit, covers a lot of different areas. Okay, we've got a plank going on now, we can deal with it, but we're also covering the other areas, and they see a cruiser in all three towns, not just two. That's just the way it works. That really throws people when they'll see somebody at eight o'clock here, they think they're free, they're gonna go to Watesfield with a pen, we're in Watesfield, yeah. So we circle back around and we'll have a little back here. I have one more question. Sure, we can do that. So, what is your feeling towards, how do you feel about the tolls, the limit spread out to get them good? Are they a waste of time, do you think, or do you think the town should be investing in those? We had two when I got here, and they were a huge money suck for us, and we couldn't get them repaired, so we're gonna get rid of them, had to buy one, and they're using it. So what I will say is for us to own them, it was terrible. All the towns that had bought their own signs, rave about them, especially the ones that they could move around, because it's just a good reminder.  It's only 30, and I'm doing, I take a lot of data, it's my head. So I'm already data collecting, some are not. I don't know which ones you get. Also, some are muti compliant, and muti-cd compliant, some are not. Those that are not, you don't want. Because a sign has to flash at a certain rate. The speed rate of how fast it flashes is considered muti compliant, and the signs have to be muti compliant. Do you have any information on that that you could share with us or something? I'd be just going to dig in, and I will see, I actually can send it, I can send it. Sasha, yeah, I don't want to. I mean, do a little digging on that one. But yeah, we don't have it anymore, it could work for us to have them, but all the towns that have it would really enjoy having them, it's really done. One thing that would be of benefit for us as well, and I'll just ask for it, not permanently, regional planning commission puts out the tapes on different roads, do you feel that there are problems with speed? I would highly suggest it. I actually, if you do, I would love to have those readings. Generally, they'll do it in two weeks in a given area. So it gives me time of day, speed, type of vehicle, the whole works, it gives me everything. So we do this quite often, and Warren and all of them, they have their own tapes. It is if there's problems, they put out the tapes, gives me a time of day. I set up guys in those times it was happening. Plainfield was another big one that did it. It was reckless. And when things are happening at noon time, on such and such a day, or they're at noon time on such and such a day, I guess we get caught. It works, it works very well. I think it would be great to know because you know who the people are, who the people are, which I know that they're having this time of day it's happening. That's the data collection? Yes. The tapes that they do data collection, mountain vehicle, speed, time of day it's actually and there's a full graph and everything. I sit down and go through why I'm crazy, I'm crazy with the numbers, I go through and I'll find when these are happening. And if we have the high rate of speeds, and we've got the guys running through here at 75 miles an hour every day at a certain time of day, guess who's going to be here? On the flip side of that, it saves us from working in areas that really are a problem because you know, I wish my dad as the example, he lives on a 35 mile an hour dirt road, and it's a straight away, people would be going up with that nice fly in it, he's going 40. You know, it looks fast in his, he's going by the end of the drive, everybody's going 40. So we do get those complaints, and this can alleviate some of those, so we're not spending a bunch of your time on a road where there's really not a problem. I'm gonna say one of my, I'm just saying, roof working and wood bearing. Yes, there was a lot of speed out by the lake. I got the nonstop complaints about the MBI trucks. We have yet to get a MBI truck speeding up. They're big trucks, they're loud, they're banging on the roadway, everybody thinks they're flying, because they're standing inside their house, everyone's flying. So that's what happens, and it's perception, and nothing wrong with that, that's perception, we go out, no issues. Let's get there. A couple of business cards, both Sheriff as well as mine, if you have any questions, well, I mean, get all of us, we can direct you, if you need us at the next meeting, just use a little bit of lead time, so we're able to make it. Thank you very much, Joe. We appreciate your time, thank you for producing it. I'll keep her, send you out a contract so you can look it over and then let us know. Okay. All right, thank you very much. Any questions, a quick email, and either it gives the hauler some time for in the office, some time for that. I'll be back real soon as possible. Thanks, thanks. All right, appreciate your time. Take care. Thanks, thanks. Thanks for doing what you're doing. Yeah, congratulations on your retirement, I think that's it. I plan on running for assistant director. Oh, really? I'll have that, perfect. You're just running, right? Just running, 30 and a half years. I didn't say it sounds like an airfare. Yeah, it's just something else. I can't really see it in the back, or even half here, you're just ready for something else. Yeah, I bet. All right, so we have the library, friends in the library. Hello. Hi. How are you? I'm good, how are you? How are you? I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Some of these, this one. This one, this one, this one. That's it. That's it. Story log board. What we suppose is a member of the party to the library. Are you here in the library as well, or no? I am, but as a trustee. Oh, the trustee is still here next time. I think I'm at the meeting next, or yes. Yeah, I also thought you were here. Are you all familiar with the story log concept? Yes. Yes, we're good. And we just want to interest in one moment for Don and you, that would be great. Thank you, sorry about that. That's great. So the friends of the library would like to do a project to support Cori. We do supplemental work for the library, and she has asked for a permanent story log. So we have been working on this, and we're here to get your blessing. Carla Lewis, who is also a member of the friends, is spoken to the Warren Library and Fletcher Free in researching different companies that make story log permanent installations. We've decided to go with a company called Barking Dog. And this is their product. So it would be mounted on a post at an angle. And we put two pages of the story in each one of the sonnets. And then it can be swapped out their screws that you unscrew. And that way, the story is protected from weather and elements of this. So we have spoken to the school. The school actually has given us some financial support. But we have solicited input from the school, friends of ECO, the Moretown PTO. I've walked a loop with the school librarian. And we've also worked with the rec committee who has talked to Stefan. So we've talked about safety issues. We've talked about what route we want and location with regard to making it easy to mow around them and snow removal. Accessibility. Yeah. So we've come up with a route. And we just wanted to present it to you. And here are new feedback or questions you have. I've also been working with the zoning administrator who said that she believes we're exempt from meeting the permit for the project. When you get around our first week, she's probably a good person. She was very thirsty. A lot of questions. So I put you another couple of maps. I didn't do one for everyone because my poor little printer I didn't think it could hold on to you. But the route we've discussed was going along the path here, around, yeah, not exactly behind the school, this. That can be with your water model, though. Oh, yeah, no, your diapers, that was right in the way. This map actually is really, it's the paved access road. And we thought there might be issues with future maintenance. And it was pretty slippery when we locked it. So we were thinking along the nature trail here, set off to the side, around the tennis courts, and ending at the Wellow Trail. And we're looking at putting in 20 signs. And they're going to be mounted on. We would do wood posts. And I assume we would set them in concrete. So we'd say permanent. We mean permanent. Yeah, so you could. Any questions? I mean, so the stories change every once in a while. Yeah, so our library could use it. The school library was really enthusiastic about it. They did a big water project. And we thought that they could use it for tying into that. We thought that maybe the mad birders might want to use it for the birding bite ear that they do in the spring. You could do, like, safety week. The historical society could do something with it. So we'd open it up to a lot of different groups in the valley. When they talk to the signs, sign walk, is there other displays or things around the sign that are related to the story that? Typically not. So we would have a welcome for kind of explaining the story walk. And then you have laminated sheets. So you take a picture book apart. Kelly Covered is actually the founder of Story Walk. And they have a lot that they love now. So you get laminated individual sheets of a picture book. And so we could put them one picture here and one picture here.  Kids would walk around if they're on their own.  So these are set down low enough for children to read. Yes. They are typically mounted in the angle. I was actually thinking about this the other day. We have to vary the height depending on where the path is. So they're mounted at a 45-degree angle. OK, OK. This is glass on the angle. It's a plexiglass. You can do art displays. Well, now that goes up to the weather and stuff. Yeah, it's meant to hold up to the weather. We haven't heard of any issues with them in terms of maintenance. Fletcher Free had some feeding. I think Carla said they have one dish, do you remember? And the company took care of it right away. But it's meant to be waterproof. We actually looked into getting someone to make them. And he thought that given the quality and how substantial this is, that you couldn't really match it. I'm just thinking five years down the road, no one's using it. What do we do? Use them. Well, that's what I'm saying. How are we going to be assured that these things are going to be maintained and used to their full extent?  But we do a story. Cory does a story walk around more fast every year. She does a few a year. I know the school does them like if there's an open house for the forest program or at the beginning of the school year. So I'm thinking right there, it's probably five or six times a year that they're already getting used. And if we have it permanent and are encouraging other groups to use it, I think it's going to get used. It's a really popular concept. How long does the story usually stay up a month or something or a couple of weeks? It mirrors. Yeah, like I've seen story walks like for April's poetry month. So for the whole month of April, there's a poetry walk. So I would think once a month the people are going to run down. Yeah. I'm not only concerned with Be Like My Tom said that five years the signs start getting worn out. What do we do? I'm sure the company, you know what I mean? It just gets beef from the weather. It'd be interesting to hear from this company what they've found within how long the longevity of going through winter, freezing, snow, raining, and sun, and all that. So I know Warren just installed theirs, but we can talk to the Fletcher Free Library and to the company and find out what their suggestion is. But the friends could also talk about what it looks like to replace the top plexiglass as it gets cloudy or scratched or something and make that part of our onward fundraising and budgeting. They also have some kind of cleaner that will buff out the plexiglass. Yeah. Because I know we use it on the side by side every now and then. There's a certain thing that just puts it. It cleans it off enough that it's not so cloudy. So you get a little bit more out of it. Now, is this also like on the path where they do eco kind of in like the same general area? No. No, it's along the biking path. We talked about doing it up in the woods and that presented some challenges in terms of both accessibility and safety. You don't want to come down and crush it. Don't want to be as cute. And we talked, I actually ran into Jenny Lyle when I was walking around with the school library in Nancy and talked to her about bringing the public up to her base camp and she was all for it. But as I said, this room presents some challenges in terms of Chris for Rec thought that it might need to be maintained at some point. And I walked on it on a pretty black day and it was really slippery. So we all, when we met with the Rec committee to do a walk around, all of that a flatter path was probably the better choice. I was just thinking like for longevity, like another way to loop it in. But if the school is willing to use it and the librarians all for it. I mean, she can work with the library and, you know, they have something going on for a month. Bring kids out during library time or incorporated into eco time. Yeah. Did you hear from the Rec committee about this? No. Okay. Well, we thought that they were going to reach out to you. Their notes from their last meeting at the end of June indicate that they fully support it. It said that they worked through details with Stefan and her supportive. They did say they may need to wind the trail in spots to just remove some small trees and do some glimming. But the goal would be that we wouldn't want to do substantial changes to the trail. There's one issue of concern around the back corner of the tennis court where they ran kind of slopes down and how slippery that might be in the winter. So they may install a handrail, but that seemed like the most major of the Nathan's issues. So what's the next step we give you our blessing and you go forward with this? Or what are you looking for? We love your approval and then we're going to place the order for the science. And we, it's a little bit ambitious, but we'd love to have it installed before MoreFest so that we can have a story walk up for MoreFest. I know in the past we've had complaints about the stakes in the grounds once it gets dark and so the library has made an effort over the last couple of years to pull them up before just, but this would be out of the way of all that and still something that people could enjoy during MoreFest. So we need to get, you know, installation materials and volunteer labor to bring out the auger and pour the cement or the concrete. So at this point you're not looking for any reimbursement from the town for this? No, the fronts are independent final on C3 so we supplement the funding that the library gets from the town. This is cool putting any funds up through as well. They did, they support it on sign. Why don't we go ahead and sort of want to make a motion? Yeah, I'd make a motion to go ahead with the story about the project. Second. Kelly, for the discussions, all in favor of aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Great. Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you guys. It's great. Kelly, did you have a good idea? All right. Can you do that story? Walk up in that room, it's always fun to see you feel it. Oh, yeah. They used to have something like it at Great Escape. I think it's down there. There's like the original pieces of it. Like the song, the story changes. If you look closer, it's there. Awesome. How are you? Good, how are you? Hey, Allison, how are you? Hi, good. Thanks for having me. Thank you for having me. You're welcome. Ready? Yep. So I am serving as the treasurer for the library trustees right now. And new trustees have been discussing some creative ways to try to keep our assistant librarian. I mean, she's here and she's not going anywhere, maybe, but we would really like to give her a little bit of a raise. And we know that the budget is already set for this year. And we can discuss a ways that the time comes. But we have some money in our donations that we wanted to kind of supplement a little raise for her. It's an amount of $702 and some change. And it comes right out of the library donation. So it wouldn't be any cost to the town or anything. And I brought it up to Sherilyn to see if that was possible. And she said that we would need to talk about it. So I wanted to present that as something that we would like to do and see if anyone has any objections or thoughts. No, it's your money and you feel she deserves it? Yeah, I'm all for it. Thank you. I appreciate that. Why don't we get a motion on that because of the money around? Oh, okay. We can motion that to support the use of funds from the library trustees to help support the assistant librarian. Second. Thank you, Kelly. I'll enter the discussion. Pardon me. All in favour of a ride? All right. Bye. Thanks. Is it good? It's good. All right. Thank you. You're so quick. Yeah. Anyway, just clicking through with it. Hi, everybody. Hello. Hi, John. Good to see you. Nice to meet you, Jennifer. I am. First off, good evening. And I hope you've had a lovely rainy day. We have. It's nice to be here. Yeah, I just wanted to be home and do the things. Yeah, it's really good. It's really low. It's not so great. I'm here tonight. I am the current HOA vice president, or sorry, president. Actually, I just took over from vice president for a gallery ofators. Our community was established starting in about 2010, the new development. And in 2020, we finished. We are all done building. All roads are in. Nate Hayward was our builder and he turned over the property, so to speak, to all of us in the community to take over frighteningly as we're trying to figure all of that out. And so what we've been doing is up until this point, there are technically three to four roads in our community. Two are town owned and town maintained. And two, which used to just be one, but now I guess we've changed one of the names to gallery acres extension are both private roads. And the roads are at this point pretty comparable, but they cost us as community members, as you might imagine, to maintain. We've done some work to look into how to make sure that they are up to the same standard as the little below. And so I have some information that I've collected over the last couple of weeks of doing this. I have a petition. I walked around to every house in the community, not just the way the community works, and I can show you on a map. The way that it looks is the lower, and I have one for each of you. I'm sorry. I appreciate that. That's right. I did make lots of copies of you. Thank you. The lower road and the middle road, which is actually literally named middle road, are the town owned roads. And the upper loop actually has as many houses on it as the two lower roads. So it's actually got as much traffic, if not more than the lower two roads. And if you look in the packet that I made, there's actually a V-trans map. And I think it's actually the same one that's on your wall right there, or very similar. But the latest one on V-trans doesn't feel past 2016. Our road up top doesn't exist in V-trans. And so one of the things that we would like, the entire community as I walked around, every single person in every single house said we'd love to see if the town would be willing to adopt the upper road as part of the community, because it would help us as a community, the whole group feel like a united community, but also be part of more town as we really feel we are. They have a lot of support in the select board. They have a lot of support in believing in what you guys can do and valuing us and we value you. And they really do trust that when we were told by Nate as he handed the brains over to all of us, all we had to do was ask, all we had to do was come and propose and let you know what was going on. Now that our community is finally finished, there's no more building, that was kind of what he said. When the community is done, that's when you come and make your proposal. So I'm here with that in mind. One of the things that you might say is, we don't want to take on any more roads right now, and I get that, you're already maintaining the two lower roads. They are graded and, well, I don't know all the technical terms. Everything's done in the summer at least twice, and then in the winter they're plowed. And it's helpful for our children who are walking to go down to the bus stop. So our kids all walk from the upper road to down to the bus stop, and they're walking in the snow until it gets plowed by an outside company. We have outside companies who have to come and maintain, and as you might imagine, it's hard for us to find outside companies who are capable of doing the work. In 2019 we actually had the road upgraded. Island excavating came in, put down the requisite amount of layers that were required. I have actually an invoice for what they did for us, and they were able to change. They made sure that the culverts were up to snuff, so to speak. They made sure that they put in the right materials. They used stay mat, they used gravel, they used sand, they used all of the stuff that they were supposed to use. And that was done in 2019 in September. Since then, we've had two companies come in to try to help with the potholes and maintain, but as you might imagine, one of the things that's tricky is, unfortunately, some companies who maintain both in the summer and the winter might kind of ruin your road a little bit in the winter and then have to then fix it for you, which has been a little predatory for us. And so that's a hard process for us as community members who are trying to figure this out. Bankers or teachers or... We don't know what we're doing. And so that's been really tricky. And so the other thing that I know might be a concern is the width of the road. So I actually went out with measurements to do my own measuring to figure out what the difference is between the two roads. And I measured the middle and lower road and both are at about 17 feet wide, standard across. The upper road is not. It is 17 at its widest and 12 at its narrowest. And so when I walked around with my petition, one of the things that I asked people is, would you be okay with it being the one-way road? If that were something that the town needed to do to make sure that it was feasible.  Because they want their children to feel safe. They want to have their children be able to ride their bikes. They want to let them walk without feeling like the cars might be in the way or they may get hurt. And so one of the things we're seeing is a lot of our community members are struggling with maintenance on the cars because as the road starts to degrade, we have to try to maintain it two to three times a year. So I understand this may be a longer process than I'm asking for right now, but I wanted to at least bring it to your attention and see what could possibly be done, what steps there might need to be done. If you need to come out and survey the road, check the road, let me know what needs to be done, kinds of things. I think that's what I'm hoping for at this point because as I walked around to my community members with a petition, every single person came to the door with a big smile on their face saying, absolutely yes, please, thank you so much for doing this. We have so much trust in this board and we really hope that they can help us in this. I'm glad that they have trust in us. Historically, we've met with goodness. Well, I know in your town plan, it says in 2015 that you have the right to decide what to do. And the road is because it was built after the main part of the community was done, it was considered a fight of road.  I do, I figure it would be five times. And it is, the road is no different on either part of it. The only difference, and I will admit, is the width. And we've investigated whether or not it would need to be widened. Widening would be difficult because of the way the culvert system has been set up with the drainage ditches, which is why I'm suggesting a one-way road. It would also really alleviate that need for our kids and that safety risk for our kids. And we have a lot of kids out here, all of which go to more towns schools, all of which love the community who we, and we really are very supportive of this community. Every single person, nearly every single person in the petition even said, and I have the petition slide, by the way. Everyone was like, we know that there's a sidewalk study going on. We would love that too. You can read, there are 49 signatures on here from 42 different houses, which sounds funny when I say that. Every single house I walk to said, absolutely. So. No, we're really, very pleased to have the expansion of Gallagher-Hager's Weeks. It's helped keep our school a little bit too. I was actually part of that. I was actually very heavily involved in that process when that was all happening. I used to run the SOS meetings. Okay, that's right. Yes. As John mentioned, this is something we haven't done in the past, but that doesn't preclude us from doing it in the future. I think this is something that we need to kind of digest a little bit. Absolutely. Meet with our road commission and try to figure out what, what's it going to cost us to do this and how does it fit in.  I mean, you are on the other side of town that's still a valuable part of our community and we need to take care of you folks as well. And certainly that we were doing the tax rate earlier and we were discussing the rent list in how, you know, years ago, we saw the dip when you guys started building because, no, the dip in the tax is because the rent list was going up. Yeah. So we appreciate that. So I see the value here. So I want to take a look at what you have. Appreciate your time and give this, you know, ample discussion. And I'm sure we'll be getting together more than once in the future to talk this over, seeing how this might work or if it doesn't. But you're only talking the upper road. Not just that branch that goes up there. So this branch might be the trickier part and I do recognize that. This is a couple of houses up there. There's four technically and it is very much, it's much narrower than the other road. This road is widest from here all the way past my house here. This is the narrow spot right there. And it does dip in, not that it couldn't be widened there, but again, the one way would prick through that, it wouldn't even be necessary. No, I was just asking about that. That's like a driveway. Yeah, it does sort of, it has a good turnaround actually. And that actually, what's interesting is this road could be widened much easier because it has common land associated with it rather than cooperate. So that's actually much more possible to widen than the upper road is. But yes. As it is now with, and you guys are paying, does the whole place here split the cost for the? The whole community does not. Only the upper road does. Only the upper roads. For our HOA fees, what we do is, it's parsed out by several different things. We parse out our septic system, we parse out, because there's five of those. So each house is given a particular cost based on where we live. So where I live on the upper route, I have the most expensive septic and the most expensive road. Which is fine, but that's just the way that should be done. So there's people like So the cul-de-sac also pay for their portion of the road. And that comes out because it can all be done at the same time. So if you consider that it's about 20 houses, all 20 houses split that cost as part of our HOA fees. And I just got, I just got an estimate for costs right now just to get popover paired. So it was sweet. Had somebody in the past that was more expensive than somebody I was able to find this time, but it's still, it's going to cost us a pretty penny. And then we clow it as well. So, and that's a contract that we do. And that's tricky because the person that we use isn't great about coming out before students go to school. So our kids are walking sometimes and you know ankle to knee deep snow down to the school bus. And that's, you know, I've got the oldest kids in our neighborhood, one who's a senior and then they go down just throwing in the seventh grade. And they're walking down through that. So my main concern is first of all, I'd love to see us be able to take that over. But my main concern is the specs would have to be followed. Yep. Because the other roads are grandfathered. Right. And I don't know anything about one way. I don't. I don't often stable roads. And I don't think this is a lot of road. This is a lot of road. The last three roads. Yeah. Which we get funding from the state to help maintain. I know. Yeah. It sounds like to get to that to get to that standard or where you're at, it's going to cost your community a significant amount of money. I did a lot of research to try to find the standards. I know that the cold rip systems that we have do meet the standard. They're all 18 inches to 24 inch diameter. That's the first thing I know that the last piece of research and I found it. And then it's one of those lovely things about Google. I lost it. There was a nice table. Some place that explained the width requirements based on the speed limit. And so the speed limit in our roads is all 15. It's below the 25 mile an hour threshold. And so what it said was that as long as it's below that 25 threshold, it's a seven foot wide lane with no shoulder was what it said. So technically at 12 feet, it's one way. At 15 feet, it's actually a two way. I don't love it as a two way, but we can handle it as a two way. So. All right. So why don't we go ahead and look and see what just really look into it and see if it's feasible. And that's all I'm asking for, sir. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. And I will. Yeah. I'm happy to let my community know like they're willing to look into this. It's hard for me to walk back and say, yeah, they're going to be much happier when I can say they're at least willing to look into this and see what can be done.  But I know it would probably be hard. Yeah. No, I think we'll all like to do it, but we need to, there's a lot of things we need to look at if it can be possible for it. And if it can't, we will have to give them a good try. I very much appreciate your time, everyone. Thank you so much. Thanks, sir. Thanks. Yeah, and the sidewalk is. Oh, I'm so excited about the sidewalk. We're all happy. We're all excited. We love walking. And so that's a two way. We'll walk right into the town. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. I guess someone, I don't know. Yeah, let's keep all that together for Sasha. Or at least one copy. I'll put this here. Sasha. All right. You know what? We have a couple of minutes. We're just going on to the courts of communications. Let's see if there's anyone else. I don't have Denise in on later. See if she had any. I think she wanted to talk about. Denise, did you have any public comment? No, I oops. I did not have any public comment. I was just listening in. Could you clarify something with the Gallagher acres? Discussion why they are requesting that the town take over all of the maintenance? I didn't quite catch that. I can't speak for that, but I think they're just wanting to basically hand that over, bring it up to town specs and hand it over. Okay. So they want the town to incur the cost of doing that? No, no. But it would be they're asking for a class three highway so that we would take over the future maintenance. Yes. Okay. Okay. That's something where we'll get to and see if it is possible and then what the specs for a class three and what it would cost them to bring it up to that. Okay. Yeah, I didn't quit. Okay. Now, now I understand. Sorry. I missed that first section. Trying to understand why they were requesting it, but it sounds like they want a better graded, better conditioned road. And then the town would request that they maintain. And then I'm sorry, they would request that the town maintain it at a class three. So they're basically trying to change the type of road it currently is in order to get the town to maintain it. Got it. Correct assessment. Yep. Okay. Thank you. And no other questions or comments on that. Okay. I know you get on that. I just want to make sure you are. I appreciate that. Thank you. You're welcome. Very good. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Okay. All right. So let's go ahead. Reports. Ms. Sasha, what are you having for us? Ray got the RFP out to me and I got those out to all the companies for the river road repaving. Who's that? I think that was our meeting on the website, on the getting with JD and information so that she would understand me about what's going on. Okay. So that started. Good. I also wanted to ask about you guys were going to discuss the last talk for Aaron, what he's only going to be ministering here. Are you going to talk about that? First, I've heard of that. She could be using them from all work. So, did we discuss that? I think it was kind of a touchstone subject when she was here. Oh, when she was here? Yeah, I saw 30 interviews. She mentioned something like that. I don't know if it's related to anything. You weren't here? Yeah. Sorry? That's all right. That's why I was there. I believe she did say something about having both here and remote. Where are we in our budget stuff or something like that? I find out. Yeah. And we have one, we have step-on using for that. I think it was only an illustrator. Probably to have access to something like that, and especially if we're, and if they're doing off-site work, which we are approving and encouraging. I would rather have my own device than someone else's. Yeah. I think that was pretty good. So, yeah, why don't you talk a little bit about that and see what the thoughts are as to what it should be. And she may have an idea as well. And we pretty much decided this is way outdated. All of this would be here, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. That could be part of it, too, because I don't think we've had our computer, any computer up here, except for the one that we have on. So that could be the same to you, Chris. Right. Well, talk for a minute. Let's see, make sure all our systems are up to date. Yeah. Yes. That's it? Yeah. She just seems to picture herself as much as she can. Oh. Oh. Yeah, it was in the... What was that you were on? Was it a water slide or something? Water slide. Sharements? Yeah. What have you done? Yeah. The one's grandkids had a piece of card and we actually went down to the water slide about 15 times. Oh, yeah. We digress, but randomly what you had for us, but... A couple things. So, Joe was in the process of doing the monitor repair work out here. Not knowing it was quite as fast, we thought, but he's prepared to board concrete tomorrow and get the monitor set. And then he'll be cleaned and that'll be done. I've talked to a former two boys and women. It's about the sidewalk repair. What they'd like to do is have... Or send a check to the town and have the town pay for it. And they'll reimburse the town. Or they'll pay the town first, whatever. So, I have spoken to Joe that the town has agreed to do the prep work. Yeah. I've asked Joe to get a price to see whatever it is.  And I don't think anybody had the problem with that. Because everything goes as long as you get to the town. It doesn't cost the town anything. Right. So, that's what I'm working on. Thank you. And I did that RFP. That's going to be the first meeting in August. Any idea if that will happen this year? Every indication is that some contractors are really going to be arrested about it. Really? Yeah. Surprising. Yeah, this is for the waste system. No, this is River Road, Oh, sorry. You've been busy, right? Thank you very much. Kelly? You've been moving out of town. I was going to do that. Yeah. Time to do anything here. All right, big dog at the end. Well, so this is reports and communications, then? Or do I do all new business? Yeah, I do report communications. I don't even want to talk about the, you want to talk about the town hall later, as far as the management or something like that. Yeah, well, that and a little update about the RFP and stuff. So I can wait till all business. All right, so that's fun. I mean, then John and I, we could talk about transportation stuff, too. You want to do that one now? Sure. That's all right. So this is the permit application for moving the R-S-F-S. Let's just do it. That's not radar selling. So, well, no, the radar. So I had hoped that I'd have some of it filled out tonight in a rough draft for everybody to look at, but I'm sorry I got a little busy and didn't do it. But I also thought that I would go talk to Mark, too, about it, just to give him a heads up since he might be involved and we have to get this special bracket and stuff like that. But I mean, from my first go through, I think I'm not seeing that we'll be responsible for the amending on permit. I'm not seeing that we'll have a fee to, you know, I think the only cost we're going to really have is buying this new bracket and, you know, the concrete in the excavation. And so that's where we are with that. And then, you know, John and I met, and I'll get some meeting out this week. We're still, we're working on some, you know, getting some of these signs. We could supposedly form more somewhere, putting those up on someone, picking some roads that we're going to put those up on. If anybody has any suggestions, you know, we'll do that. And John is going to get with Ray, maybe when you see him at the meeting Thursday or something to talk about, whether we do this temporary crosswalk up on the store post office, you know, what that would be involved, because we did get a little drawing from the state that sort of incorporates what we have for the sidewalk project and what we could do temporarily. So we've got that sort of in the mode. And then just, you know, whether we're going forward, not, you know, we'll go ahead and relocate in the RF, RSFS, or whether we do something as the folks did over in Me Too and do a speed study on both sides of our village, similar to what they did at Waitsville where they dropped the speed limits coming into the villages. And whether, you know, in that email that I forward you all this reference to that. So that's just something out there that I've memorized. And that was about it, right? Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yep. So that's not all the report. So hopefully when I see you next time, we'll have it permanently ready to go so we can relocate this to summer or fall. Yeah, that's good. That'll be nice. Good job. Okay. So I attended the Friends of the Bad River meeting on climate change, which there aren't going to be on Tuesday night, but just so I have a nice look for you. It was on Tuesday. We missed you, John. Yeah, thank you. But it doesn't seem like I missed you much. No, you didn't. You were here before. Yeah, that was a quick meeting. But this is the, actually, it was that the gun ditch to, to the end, presented the latest climate assessment. And interestingly, my daughter was actually involved in the first climate assessment as a fellow of the gun for her master's degree. And so she was the lead student writer on the first one, which was in 2014. And that's the one that the whole federal climate assessment is based on Vermont was the leader on that. You know, like we are in so many, so many areas, but anyway, so Ann and I attended that meeting and going forward, they're going to have, there's another one, August 5th, I believe. And so what we're doing is basically expanding the Bridge to River, the company, you know, climate change and, you know, relate it to the valley. So it's a good future for tackling all of that. I'd really like to get the road roundtables up again. With the road cruises now. Yeah, yeah, we haven't had it in a long time. But I think now that we're expanding the Bridge to River so that we're going to have more than just town officials involved, hopefully things will expand. We can do some more of those things. Does anyone know if we had to go along with them? I know they were just talking about the grants that were given from the climate change and the town's participating. We didn't need it this year, you know, anything like that, where we did the ditch work in the past? Yeah. Yes, as well. Okay, I hope those good are going to have a lot bigger. And I'm just curious as to whether we have received that funding too. And now we're going to go around with your round. Yeah, to have things. Yeah. Good. Any other time? No, I guess that's that's it. All right, well, much all I would read before I came, I had a gentleman, in fact, he has a point on our next step forward meeting. I think you can cancel Lee Rogers. A gentleman called me, he's buying some land that's landlocked on Cobb Hill. And the law is full and we could give him a right way to it. So I sent him straight on that. And there is an old law on the books that there's timber that's valuable, that needs to be extracted and there can't be a way to be honest to agree on it, that the snowboard can step in and give a temporary easement. So I said that would be an extreme case. That's all English law would. So I said there would be no way that we're giving out easements to, although I would like, I hope he finds a way to make this work. He's not a nice gentleman who wants to build a home, but we don't give out easements. So now let's go ahead and approve the minutes. We have a large live fit. Just going to have a motion on that. I'd like the motion to approve the minutes of the live here. Thank you very much. Second. Thank you very much. And is there any further discussion? All in favor, for that. Aye. Aye. Aye. Kelly, any business course? No. Ray, you did? Yes. John or Don? Nothing new. Nothing new. All right. So let's ignore the why. Sasha, do you have anything with these to be brought up in here? No. All right. So I'm going to go with old business. And I know Don, you have some stuff you want to share with us. We'll start with you tonight. Okay. Well, I was hoping that maybe on 8-1 on the next meeting that we could review and discuss the management plan that has been rough draft for the town hall that we handed out to you to everybody a couple of weeks ago. Maybe it would take people to take a chance to read it and go through it and we could spend some time you know just kind of getting the select board's input and would like to just a rough draft and to share some thoughts on how going forward the town hall could be managed. So that's how the agenda. Yeah, and I think there'll be some maybe some folks from the town hall committee would like to join. We've gotten input from the town hall committee, the trustees and the friends and from Gerald Lynn and Sausier who had it. And you know now you've been on the board. So that's been being on the agenda and let me know at the time I can let some people out. And then so the other thing that some a good piece in doing is we received two proposals for the architectural services schematic design for the town hall. So I just got them on Friday. And so now what I'm going to do before we have a meeting with the select board on the two proposals is I'm going to go with the two other three other folks and do this evaluation process where someone doesn't look at the cost yet you know what the proposal is but this goes through them and you have a great waiting waiting system and we'll all go through that. And then you know once we do that we can then present it to the board that you know so that again would be kind of shooting for an eight one day because in the RFP we've actually outlined a whole schedule so that this can be worked on until a point that we're at a place come town meeting where you know we'll come January when we have to get something to be on them we'll have information that we can present at town meeting so there is a little bit of a clock ticket. So to that point I guess the request that I have to make is and I won't divulge because I know what the two proposals are but I could say that somewhere around five percent if we could somehow delegate five percent of the opera funds it's the only place I can think of how we can fund this piece of work for the town hall to that would be a way to go forward to be able to hide this firm to do the schematics and you know it's a whole it's not just you know there's going to be meetings and they meet with the community and they we outline if you're familiar with the RFP there's all these steps they're going to do about community outreach getting some different ideas from you know taking what we've already done and then coming in presenting it to the board you know meeting with the select board in the library and you know trustees and then also the town anyways I won't go through the whole thing but there's dates something in the fall so that again so that we get to that point so we're really at a 25 thousand roughly yeah that's would be a ballpark because you know somewhere around there but I mean we're really at that point now that you know the rough you know the rubber hits the road I mean if we're really going to say this is our beautiful town hall and we got to do something about it and fix it up this is this is really the next step I mean and the in that proposal it also you know takes looks in the water mitigation problem the site drainage you know there's a whole package of items and it can maybe end up being that it's you know it is the community building with the library or we might all pick decide to pick a menu where it's just fixing the town hall you know but there's things that have to be done for sure so I don't know where else we talked about it our last meeting is not like really I don't that's the I know those funds would be available that's it's for that purpose of infrastructure and if we can't see our seat of doing that then it's just going to kick the can down the road you know until you know next year when we would maybe put stuff in the budget to do a schematic and you know so anyways that's the spiel for tonight but it's good that we got two proposals and they're both quite interesting you know quite you know they're both good when are you guys evaluating those well we're going to evaluate them uh I'd like to you know get this week you know this week in the next week so that we come on the first with you know here's our this is what we this is what we recommend here's the scorecard this is the way how we waited up this is how we came to it you know because literally right after that by eight nine you know the the selective firm has got a bizarre you know it's supposed to start up you know and organize their first meeting with you know the players and start start going start working on it so it seems to me like it's a you know I guess you know it's near and dear work on it for you know two years now or it just seems like that's the way to keep it going I don't know how else we can't you expect us on a contract with them in August yeah or yeah give them them you know no they would produce probably they would I would tell them that you would tell a firm to get going and then they would send their you know a formal they could make the contract and then we would review it have wide shams review it and you know but in the meanwhile they could get going you know that no then it's happening so I think so between now and between everyone maybe something about just what Don said he'll come with a recommendation as far as the firm and this is the one to make posture and we need to make that decision over here this money we want to send out of the our our funds or not and you're you're pregnant I'm going to the opera fund committee well I was going to go with the zoom yeah right but then it's two weeks or something yeah but um and then when when the zoom didn't work then I was sitting and thinking about it I'm going well they're going to make recommendations to the select board so I can think I'll just make my own recommendations to select for seeing that I'm not right for it you know saying that you know this would you know and I mean you know it's still a sum of money but it's you know it's it is a small amount of the pie you know everybody is trying to nibble away that pie but this is really to to to preserve and and fix our top beautiful town hall you know and that's something we've talked about for several years and to your point I think it's something we you know a few years ago yeah I think so and this will give us the opportunity to look at to see really what it was going to cost us to to make this usable or just kind of up you know keep it so it doesn't fall over ground right you know there's two options basically we uh so let's you know let's think about it I think for support here um but come in with your your selling shoes off okay yeah no I'll come in with this valuable evaluation that we've done on the two on the two bulls yeah at this point I think as well there should be there's something we've done or not and just move forward on yeah projects and then where you get that this is no that would be no indication that the rest of the money was coming from our funds to fix the building oh no you know actually because I don't think we'll need to we could there's so many other funding sources when we get to that point you know in 2023 or something right that you know right I don't think we you know I think we just this would be a good way to get going otherwise we have to wait another year there might be things where you need to match grants and this might take care of that already so yeah all right very good anything else fun uh well we're we're working on the time you know I've got someone looking at the interior with the condensation problem I don't have an update on that really so that's the same person that's going to replace the two trim boards in the back and I was going to have someone look at the tree that is being in the building and oh yeah so yeah that's that's about it the garage yeah I haven't taken a look at that yeah the other treatment yeah take a look in the back I don't think it's just cutting the one limb I think it's it would be better for the tree the way it's leaning and okay you know and shading the building and stuff you know I don't like to take tree out trees down either but the way it's sitting up on that bank right there it's what knocked off the two trim boards the branch oh okay okay so that's it for me John any other old business that you have that you I'll actually come to think of it it's kind of new old business way back when it entered more town for middle sex they had day movies and the little island where you know the pool yeah okay and just like they kill all the plants across that were planted even though that the state didn't do what they said they were going to do but somebody came along with the herbicide and and it was climbing up the vines yeah the vines are finally finally taking the state yeah they clean right now clean the right up all that money this is when I was on the boy back in man yeah that's right yeah and but at least in the island I mean they there were daily leaves planted they mowed them all down now it's just weeds um and Sir Ruth is a member of the river runs through it which is what a very garden club but they also do take care of more time and so she wanted to see if perhaps they could pursue planting some things it's great yeah so I'll tell Ruth that I don't know if that what the rest of the garden club feel about it because most of the living in order but how do we get they also by the way they also wanted to plant something because it said can we do something in more time and she thought about the Andrew Andrew Morton sign from from the north uh from the landowner didn't want it it's not because they thought that they would have to maintain it stuff like that personally I don't believe it's definitely no I don't know isn't it Stephanie that I don't know it's the land there it's the actual it's the land now yeah I think so no it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't that good I think because I thought it was the house that was the house up after the sign on the right there yeah I think oh I don't know I'll ask Stephanie but yeah yeah I thought she had to have land up there yeah because that little field there where the sign is not field there's a little opening there that's all there I think that's theirs well that's interesting okay all right yeah but on the island on a hundred B out there how do we get you guys they fix it all up how do we get the state not the moment yeah that's the state that's what I'm going to talk to the guy that you did the district five or eight or district six six yeah I mean give them a hard to do anything I mean why do they cut that down I remember we were trying to get as a replant yeah they have it did no no no and they actually they didn't plant some service very trees up on the teeter too and now that I mean they've just been completely shaded out of all the assets but again I mean how do you you can't expect to send guys up there to cut the grass for sure temporarily oh oh you can do a rebound power doesn't just break them up yeah all right so let's I was born with the old business tonight we heard that we're not going to be spending a total amount of money on the sheriff's patrol but then we have the money that's in that line that we lose if we don't use it I think we should consider the movable trailer trailer the data I think Sasha came up with that earlier and can we use some of the money to move the RSFS to yeah yeah that's it yeah so Sasha I know you had a couple quotes or a couple things I don't think the officer's going to probably remember to get back to you on that if you could actually send him something say look at I've been looking at them these little choices that are out there what are you what's your opinion that I didn't understand but specifications they were more trying to source what it needs to be yeah I knew that he said the move a bungee or the movie something something that the tape yeah that's the bungee she is the the rate of speed the light blinks because it has to be a certain it has to be a certain speed if it's too fast then it's which is a slow problem so we'll figure that out and then see what we can afford one or two of those and work with Martin on that it's a probably placement I'd be interested to see what that tape would cost when he was talking about that you can just lay down and try to solve the data because then you could you could I mean just lay the tape down well I think that's something that we can maybe check in the CDRPC because I think that's what we said that day yeah because that would be a good as far as then you know what your problems are so you're not sending him on yeah I don't know that's a really good you know so far when it doesn't make any difference now this is something new the new old business job instead of maybe even communications or announcements so it's a little bit of everything and so I got a call I was going to be online today I don't know I'm surprised he's not here from Stefon and he has some very exciting news that they received a donation from the Red Hen Bakery from their tip jar um well over 10k yeah lost it yeah the fire department yeah very nice to roll that's so nice yeah I know I was so good and so he you know discussed perhaps putting maybe half of that or five grand towards school equipment and then taking the rest and using their type you know you know a better french rack things like that that they could use for themselves and so I thought that was very very nice both ways them getting it um stuff on reaching out so I thought that was pretty cool yeah that's amazing that's great yeah that's really good I mean obviously Randy and Lyser yeah I was waiting for one at Stefon to tell us they're telling you um but it's going to get out and I just don't want everyone to be flat footed and say what are you talking about I'm really excited that you know them very well um so that you can thank you that's great wow so he and he said he was uh he had no idea about it he got basically a word or a check in the mill or something like that that was it beautiful kind of stuff yeah he uh he was pretty excited about that same conversation um he also told me that they need to um spend about $1,500 on one of the pieces of equipment to upgrade the air or pump or something that I don't know you can thank you anyway we got some money from him we got some money anyways um so he was going to look in to see what we have I think he's going to be with Sasha here to see what we have for maintenance money but still on the budget pair too well now he's doing on the tanker truck he we did talk about that as well he's getting um prices if you will he's went out to a couple different manufacturers and just getting a budget uh budget number he is working on that uh so yeah I think that's good old business I do like um the dash cam that they talked to Martin about them and it sounds like he really wants them and I think it's a really good idea uh he thinks it's going to be around $150 to $200 a piece of equipment you know private some quotes and yeah but I I think it's a good idea to have dash cams on the trucks and probably on this we have yep it's better than the um we'll sit there with a greener the big thing for the big yellow fun that I you know I get encouraged and I might to pursue that I think something that we should do um I'd also ask Martin to get brought in to make a written report of what happened with him uh just so we have it on the pile that this shows up five years now you know we're all not around they need a good idea to have some so yeah record yeah that's about your right well okay Sasha I think you're four or five four or five and Sasha's also I work with uh Martin on the camera I think you've done some research oh is it really good so perfect so if you guys can pursue that and figure out what we need there and I haven't heard back from Clark as far as anything on the village waste water system I haven't been up with the two years I haven't heard any recommendations Clark's so pretty he's sick he's what sick oh that's going to be oh he got COVID down it's just on the other down there everybody that's held out there our home here to get down half this past week yes it's the yeah so it's still around there so it wasn't here really usually but it's going to happen so anyways that's where any of you that's it Sasha you don't have anything to open just like no I don't work again they think for us very good sure we have a quick link to the sign here folks and then you guys I'll take that out of here you're going to pass this we did what you do right it's going to be a great place with a competition to check it out yeah I thought um felt that was great Sam is great I worked with him when I was at Castleton um because for one of my criminal justice classes I needed like an extra five or six hours of law enforcement right a long time so I took like two days during vacation in Rowan with Peter when he patrolled out here so and he was great I will say right along the stage river was a lot more fun like that excuse me oh that's I don't know what else wants to look at this but I am looking at uh what's left for um TGL or did you see anyone else want to look at that are you just seeing all these you're just down we don't decide where are these little stickers because okay thank you for asking for where sorry how do I get these staples in there either Tom or Ray or I usually sign this if it hasn't been signed on with every basis let me see oh this is the question so we're at some point and you said when is the talk of Mars going yes I think they're asking for I keep this one um I keep it you know in my yes we we're out of here I think that was all right thank you very much and we'll see everyone in August so I'll move to adjourn the meeting second all available right all right