Hi everyone, Joe for JaspiesCaseRakes.com. Happy Sunday. We're coming at you with a case of 2023 Bowman Baseball Jumbo Edition, eight box picker team number 12. All-card chip, except for paper vet and paper non-first. Prospects, everything else chips. Very big thanks to this group for making it happen. Here, thanks for spending a bit of your Sunday at night with me as well.  So if you have Bowman Jumbo 12 next name, that means you won those teams in that pack break. Now the next picker team is in the store right now, JaspiesCaseRakes.com, and we'll probably pop that into a filler after this. So if you're watching live, now is the opportunity for you to get your team straight up before they're gone. All right, good luck everybody. Now Rex has a trivia question for us. What team in year was the first Major League Baseball night game? I feel like I knew this at one point, but now I don't. I guess you're asking what home team was it, right? Who had lights first? I wanna say the Cubs were among the last teams to have a night game. Yeah, I say post-world, no, it's gotta be earlier than that, no? I wanna say it was like 30s. And it was either a very popular team or a very, or a not popular team who needed to get butts in seats during night games. I think I think about what teams existed in the 1930s. I say gotta be an East Coast team. I don't think it was Fenway. One of the first teams in Major League Baseball history, the Reds, Cardinals, a Red team? Is it a Red team, Rex? All right, so I'm gonna breeze through this paper as quickly as possible. We'll stop for some of the top tier guys that we wanna take though. Here's Carlos Jorge for the Reds, 394 out of 499. It was the Reds. And we'll do an autograph recap at the end too. I say, so it's Reds, 1939. The Reds were the Red Stockings originally? I guess they were. And what about the Reds? And Red Sox were just Red Sox? The Cincinnati Reds beat the Philadelphia Phillies two on a May 24, 1935 in Major League Baseball's first ever night game. Curse of the recently installed lights at Crosley Field in Cincinnati, there you go. And who was the last team to have a night game? Was that the Cubs at Wrigley? I don't think they installed lights until much later. And here's Shay Whitcomb, Astros. That's for Jordan, who won that team in the filler. And we got a blue shimmer, Joshua Baez, that's to 150. Here's our first Drew Jones paper. Drew Jones, Spencer Jones, Justin Crawford. Well, Edward Julian, Cam Collier are among the key youngsters. But listen, that's just for now. It's really worth kind of holding on to all these guys and seeing if they turn into anything in the future. Like Andrew Painter, 91 out of 150. Here's Cam Collier, Justin Crawford. And a purple paper, Gavin Cross, 48 out of 199. The ninth overall pick, Gilo is a royalist fan. What can you tell us about Gavin Cross? Do you have any additional information on him? Yeah, the Cubs in 1988, the first night game. I can't believe there were, it was just day games all the time for the Cubs, up until the late 80s. Plot twist, when was the first day game? I don't know, when was the first official Major League Baseball game? 1890 something? There's Jorge Burgos, Cleveland, this is for you. James with the Cleveland Guardians. Nice purple chrome auto. Gavin Cross' top end looked good in spring training. All right, for whatever that's worth. It's good to hear. Might be a future teammate of this guy right here, Bobby Wood Jr. Oh yeah, Wrigley was home to the Bears for many years. We've got Juan Brito, Aqua Lunar Parallel, 84 out of 125, you can see the craters of the moon up there. Rockies, that's for Chris. One that's spot in the filler. So there's a Spencer Jones for the Yankees, that's gonna go to Oren, who got the Yankees straight up. Which I love, and Stephen Carney also got the twins straight up. You will find some numbered cards of these guys, maybe some autos. All right, so there's our first three autographs. Here's Justin Crawford for Neil and the Phillies. Onwards. Well, what happened in baseball today, ladies and gentlemen? Let's, we can whip around the league while I rip open some packs. Let's see, the Braves beat the Orioles Michael Harris single. Phillies, Braves beat the Orioles 3-2 in the 12. Phillies beat the Red Sox, six to one. Shorber and Walker lead Phillies over Buss and stopping their losing streak at six. And stopping the Red Sox winning streak, I think at eight. Blue Jays, pounded on the Pirates, 10-1. Whitten Maryfield with four RBI's. And the Mets fall to under 500 as Doyle lifts the Rockies to a 13-6 win. Doyle. Brent Doyle went three for five today, three RBI's. Garrett Cole laced a six-run lead, raised beat the Yankees 8-7 in 10 innings. Salvador Perez homers and Royals avoid a sweep and a 5-1 win over the A's. Cardinals waging up a little bit, Goltzmit, three home runs. Cardinals in an eight-game streak and beat the Tigers 12-6. I think I saw somewhere that all three of Paul Goltzmit's home runs were like well over 400 feet. Cardinals beat the Tigers 12-6. In 14 innings, Marlins beat the Cubs 5-4. Rourges beat the Giants 7-3. Ending their six-game losing streak. Rangers beat up on the Angels 16-8. Tavares and Garcia powering the Rangers. White Sox beat the Red 17-4. White Sox scored 11 runs in the second, wow. Hanser Alberto, former Dodger, I think. Four hits, career high, four RBI's. Mariners beat the Astros 3-1. Nationals beat the Dimebacks 9-8. Manessus, homer in the ninth. And the Dodgers in an exciting one. Mookie Betts hit a game tying home run in the ninth and then James Altman with a three-run jack. A little bit later on to give the Dodgers the win, eventually a two-run jack. James Altman, is that? We have an early rookie of the year, NL rookie of the year, possibly there, James Altman. And here is Fraley and Carnassione, gold shimmer, 33 out of 50 for the Red Sox. It's gonna be for Bryant, won the Red Sox in the filler. It's not that the Mets pitching staff would be better. I think they were counting on some older pitchers to come through, right? Although it's not like if keeping Jacob DeGramme would have helped either. Oh, Joe specific trivia, all right. Shoot. Jackson Holiday to 250. Purple Chrome for the Orioles, that'll be for Jordan. Holiday. All right, here's a Chrome Cam Collier. Or Collier, perhaps, not sure, Mark, but that one's for you and the Red Legs. And we've got a sky blue paper to 4.99, Ronald Acuna Jr. That's for Aaron and the Atlanta Braves. Who has the most home runs for the Dodgers? That's a very good question. I wanna say it is either Duke Snyder or Eric Carrolls. Here's Nelson Rada to 1.99. Angels, that's gonna be for Tristan. Cam Collier, Spencer Jones-Crone. We'll save a James Altman for the Dodgers. And there's a Tim Toa. Gil Hodges would be my other guess. It is Duke Snyder, 3.89. And then Eric Carrolls, maybe? Is he third on that list? Maybe 2.80 something, 2.90 something. Michael Golder with the Diamondbacks gets the Tim Tawa. And Mark Wasett with the James Altman rookie card.  Who's their home run leader? Like for Rex as a Cubs fan, Rex, who is the Cubs home run leader? I don't know. I'm not sure if Sammy Sosa played on the Cubs long enough to have the Cubs all-time home run record. Could it be like Ron Santos? Carrolls is 2.70. Could it be, yeah, I don't know. Who would have the all-time Cubs home run record? I don't know, who else is in the chat? Gabe was in the chat. Gilo is a Royals fan. Who's the all-time home run record holder for the Kansas City Royals? Here's Abel Bastides to 3.99, Lyme Paper for the Tigers. That's gonna be for Brian Heyman. Yeah, tell me who your favorite team is. Tell me who their home run leader is. Is it Sosa? I guess Sosa did Sosa. Man, I guess, I feel like I thought he played for like other teams, and maybe he spent his entire time with the Cubs. There's Leovo Puguedo, 88 out of 150. Rookie of the Year favorites autograph. That's for Aaron and the Pirates. Yeah, someday. Easy notes. Is it Ryan Braun for the Brewers? 352 home runs? George Brett, duh, that makes sense. Royals, George Brett, 370 home runs. And then Salvador Perez is second. Royals didn't have a 40 homer season up until a few years ago. Wow. You would have figured someone in the... Yeah, no, I guess maybe not. I was gonna say, there probably had to be someone in the mid-90s to early 2000s that got like, I don't know, that knocked out a 250 or 300 home runs career with the Royals, but... I guess Royals were committed to not a... I guess Royals were committed to not getting steroids, guys, on their teams in the 90s. That's right, I guess. In my head, Sosa didn't play that long with the Cubs, but I guess he did 13 seasons. Royals Park is big, though. That didn't affect George Brett, though. Next jumbo box, good luck. Just Gilo, Rex, and Easy Note in the chat, huh? No one else wants to hang out with us. All right, no one else is interested in telling me who their favorite team is and who has the most home runs on their favorite team. Here's Jorge Ruiz. Who do you think has the most home runs on the Angels? You think Mike Trout already has that record? Trying to think of other home run hitters on the Angels that were with the Angels long enough to have the team record. It might be Trout already. It might be Trout already. I was gonna say Reggie Jackson, too, but I don't think he played for the Angels long enough to amass any kind of home run record. I don't have the answer. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I'll look it up later, but. We got Myroschendric Martinez, Purple Lunar to 199. That'll be for Mark and the Dodgers. It is Trout with three, he already has 350 home runs. How many seasons do you think he's misdue to injury over his career? You think it's two, maybe? I mean, that's possibly another hundred home runs between two seasons, right? And we got 100 green in pink to 175 for Mark and the Reds. I mean, that's actually really godly, right? Gilo's saying, yeah, those are Trout numbers. Like, it kind of just feels weird when you're actually in it and you don't really notice. Excuse me. I'm getting a little cold here now. Excuse me. Sort of like, I don't know, how do I describe it? It's like, if you have a friend that you see every day for years and your friend becomes fat, you don't really notice it because you're kind of seeing it in real nice. Jacob Barry, green grass autographs, anyone out of 99. You don't realize in real time, but if you have a friend that you hadn't seen in years and your friend got over it, then you're like, oh, man, you packed on some pounds or vice versa if they're losing a lot of weight. That goes to the Marlins, Mike Tower. There you go, Mike. I feel like that's kind of the Trout effect. Like, while this is all this is happening in real time, he's kind of normalized what he has done from year to year. So it just, I feel like just kind of take it for granted, I guess is really the best way to put it. But then when you step back a little bit, especially when, wait till he starts hitting milestones, when it's like fastest player to hit this many home runs, fastest player to do this, fast player to do that. So, you know, once we start seeing that, then I feel like then it'll start really coming into perspective. Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like kids too. You won't, if you don't see your friend's kids for a while or relative or something that hasn't seen, seen the kids in a year or two, you know, they grow up fast. George Brett hit 317 home runs in 20 seasons and Trout has hit 350 in 11 seasons. If you back out a couple, if you back out a couple injury plague seasons and you fill them with home runs for Mike Trout, it's like, you know, that guy might, might make a serious run at the, at the all time home run title, like legitimately, which is like kind of crazy to think about, but there are nice Yendri Rojas and Victor Autograph, five out of 99 for the Friars. That's gonna be for Matt, won the Padres in the filler. And the wrinkled out of that penny sleeve there. Does that mean bonus autograph or is that the third? And we've got Jorge Burgos to 199, Purple Lunar for the Guardians, that's for James. Those are just standard three autographs. What about pitchers? Who has the most wins on your favorite team? I kind of think who has the most wins on the Dodgers. Drysdale made Don Drysdale perhaps? Coltax didn't play long enough. I think even Kershaw's still behind on wins. Tonight, when Rex walked into work, it was officially your 23rd anniversary with Kroger. Imagine how many cases of product you stocked in that time. And we could probably do the math. How many cases do you generally stock a night? Oh, it was numbered to 125, Jackson Holiday, nice. 59 out of 125, I like this insert. This is for Jordan and the Orioles. We got a Matt Mervis made his debut recently to 499, that's for Bill Macy and the Cubs. Last spot, Mojo. See if we can find some of his ink in here somewhere. We've got Brooks Lee, 26 out of 100. I wonder how many guys with the last name Dunn have the name Brooks. The old country Brooks and Dunn. Paul Splittorf, Spleytorf for the Royals has the wins.  It really is dependent on the runs the team can give you, which I think it sort of feels like sort of an outdated stat in like fantasy baseball. Oh, your fantasy baseball uses quality starts in place of wins. Yeah, I was just going to ask what some of your fantasy leagues do. We still do traditional wins. And we still do traditional wins, but we did a few years, maybe two or three years. We tried to do, what do we try to do? It was a weird stat that we tried to use. There's Jason Curio, purple ray wave. I think it was wins minus losses or something weird like that. Didn't last very long in the league. So it was like weird because then it was like people would end up with odd numbers for that. I think the idea was it was to punish pitchers who may get an extraordinary amount of run support and vice versa. Brock Jones, the Brock lobster going to the raise. Oran. Maybe I'll pitch the idea of quality starts in my league. Yeah, like for example, Josiah Gray, former Dodger prospect who I have in my fantasy teams with the Nationals now, has been for a few years. It's kind of having a breakout season, but I think he's like one in five or something like that.  He's like, well, actually, he doesn't. I think our league kicked around the idea of holds at 1.2. I've been in leagues with holds. I actually ended up never liking them because it's like I don't want to have to pay attention to random middle relievers who are getting holds. It's already hard enough to find closers. But you use hold in addition to saves. I mean, who's the best holds guy in Major League Baseball right now? Maybe a Dodgers reliever.  We've got Brandon Crawford to 2.99. Magenta paper for the Giants. That's going to go to James. We've got Justin Crawford, Carl Crawford's kid for the Phillies that goes to Neil. And a blue lunar autograph of Drew Jones. 102 out of 150 to the moon. Michael Golder with the Arizona Dimebacks. He bought the dimeback straight up. That is nice. I have to admit, I kind of like that lunar parallel. Those are three autographs. Let's see what else we have here at the end. And then we'll get into the second half of this case. It's Marcelo Meijer speckled 2.99 for Brian and the Red Sox. There's Edouard Julian and the Netherlands national anthem real long. So after every F1 race, you're listening to this really long thing whenever first stop is on the podium here. All right, four boxes down. Four boxes to go. Now having Darvish one year on the cuff. Had a ton of Ks, but just often couldn't get him run. Yeah. Was you Darvish number one on the rotation recs that year? Sneaking in a middle reliever at the end of the week and squeak by a win. See, that's, I don't know. Isn't that kind of BS though, Jilo? Are you feeling good about the fact that you got some random dude who got two holds at the end of the week as you win the week? You feel good about that? You can sleep at night as a self-respecting fantasy baseball manager? Yeah, because I was going to say, Rex, generally, if you're at the top of the rotation, you're facing other teams top of the rotations. So your players are facing the better pitchers. I know Kershaw ran into that a lot in some years. Guys just couldn't score runs for Clayton Kershaw. So Jilo, now that I'm curious, what are your offensive, your hitting and pitching stats categories? So what are you using? And so weekly league too, huh? I'm not sure if I like that. I've tried weekly that didn't do it for me. I think weekly is really nice just for obvious reasons, really nice for football, the NFL. But I feel like just baseball doesn't work as nicely. But I think a lot of people still must be in weekly leagues because I'll look at like fantasy baseball. I'll see fantasy baseball, read articles or podcasts. And they'll still talk about pitchers who have two starts in a week for weekly leagues. So I guess people must be doing it. There's Blaze Jordan to 125, Aqua Shimmer, 40 out of 125. Got another Cam Collier and a Drew Jones. Cam Collier going to Mark, Drew Jones going to Michael. Everything is default except for quality starts and holds. I don't remember what holds were placed. So ERA, whip, strikeouts, ERA, whip, strikeouts, quality starts, save holds. And we got a Dylan Frias, 81 out of 150, blue chrome autograph for James. Cleveland, this is for you. Average runs, RBIs, stolen bases. Is there more? OPS, OBB, both. Another Lunar, Edward, Julian. Those Lunars aren't numbered. We use OPS, I can't remember that's default. And there's Oscar Colas, pink paper to 175, the pink paper. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. What do we, what do I use here? I'll look at that when I'm ripping open the next. Let's finish this. We should be looking for two more autographs. We got Damon Keek, Dodger's autograph for Mark Bassett. Not so smart question, what's the difference between OPS and OBB? OBB's just regular on base percentage. I think OPS is slugging your slugging number plus your on base number and you add those together. Just kind of a quick overview way of seeing how a player does. So for example, all right, Giancarlo Stan's lifetime OPS is 890. I think anywhere between like, I guess 700 to, is it 700, would you say? I don't know, what does everyone think? 700 is pretty elite. I mean, a thousand is elite level. Just power and ability to get on base. 890 is really good lifetime for Giancarlo Stan. All right, Salvador Perez, 764, that's pretty good for a catcher. Tyler Fedko, 200 out of 499. Twins, refractor autograph for Stephen Kearney. You got a Greengrass, William Bergola, 64 out of 99. Yeah, 700 plus is probably good, right? That's kind of what you want to see. And some players get it because they got a great walk rate, so they're on base a lot. Some guys get it because they're slugging percentages higher just because they're slugging more, they're getting more extra base hits. Yeah, I like OPS. It's a nice, complete kind of overview sort of stat. Rewards, you know, especially in fantasy baseball, rewards kind of like guys who walk plus the doubles, triples guys, but maybe not necessarily homerun guys. So my 16 team keeper, Auction League, a lot of smart baseball guys in this group. We use batting average, I need to work on that. I am not even middle of the pack on batting average. Home runs, I'm second place on home runs. OPS, I'm at 752, the leader, it's 806. I need to do work on that. We have a runs produced category, which I think is runs scored plus RBIs minus home run. I don't know why we do that. It's a fine stat, but I think the idea was we didn't want to use just straight runs and RBIs, because that's kind of a, I guess sort of old-fashioned stats, but I think runs produced is runs plus RBIs and backs out home runs. Maybe has a way to reward just the non-home run hitters. And then stolen bases. And then pitching is ERA, K's, saves and wins and whip, pretty standard. I need to work on average in my overall OPS. You're thinking, Joe, if you're in second place and home runs, why is your OPS so low? Yeah, that's a problem. That's a problem. A lot of home run hitting dudes who are not doing anything else otherwise. I need that OPS, G-Lo. I need that for at least a couple of weeks to get me back towards the top half. I'm still third in the league, but those are my areas of where I need to improve. And I just need to get into the playoffs. We have a month-long Roto playoff. All right, next box, good luck. We've got Ryan Clifford, Houston Astros, that'll be for Jordan. There's a mushrooms documentary. I'm gonna watch that later. I'm gonna watch some golf, even though I watched a lot of that today. Who would you, what would you rather have? A guy that hits bombs but never singles or the guy that always singles but never hits bombs? I mean, if it's just one guy, I'd rather have a guy that hits singles all day long. And they can always find a couple guys that can hit bombs. I mean, that's sort of an odd question because it's as if I can only have one player, one type of player, so bets to 175. It's 153 out of 299, speck a lot of graph. I mean, if you're constructing a baseball team, you need a little bit of all that. If you add a bunch of guys that all they do is hit singles at the top of the lineup, then in the third or fourth spot, have the guy that hits bombs, there's Ronnie Simon to 499 for the raise, that'll be for Orin. Yeah, otherwise, you end up like Gilo's Royal, singles and never bombs, world to world series motto. I guess that could work too. You're asking because there are people that don't like certain players because all they do is hit home runs. That's sort of a weird take for those people. Why would that matter? I mean, if your entire team was like that, then I guess that's a problem.  Oh, like Schorber, it's all or nothing with that? I mean, what do they want everyone to be? They want everyone to be 300 hitters and hit a modest amount of home runs. Just wants you to perfectly balance player, otherwise they won't be happy. You're niche Valdez to 499. It's an odd argument, isn't it? But I suppose if they're talking about, I don't know, if they want like a favorite player, yeah, I mean, everyone likes different styles of players.  Everyone needs a, could use a Kyle Schroer type player. Here's 399 Lava, Daniel Guilarte, for the Brew Crew, that'll be for Nick and the Brewers. Here's Daniel Guilarte, 24 out of 150. Blue paper for the Brewers, that'll be for Nick. Yeah, that guy gets me thinking. It's like, I don't know if I would dislike Schorber just because it's all or nothing. Especially nowadays, it's like, that's who he's been. So, I don't know, it just feels weird criticizing him for that or actively disliking him for that. It's not gonna change. I don't know, I don't know if I break it down like that. What do I admire in my players? The players that I tend to like. I like players who are clutch. I think players who are clutch, who can perform in a disadvantageous position and they could battle back from that or make a high pressure shot or a hit or a pitch or something like that. I like that a lot. It generally requires a level of mental toughness. I'm watching some golf here, which is why I think golf is so great. Because of the, obviously you have to have the physical talent to swing and hit a ball that the mental toughness to continue that, I think is important. It'd be interesting to see the Cardinals explore a contrast in the outfield and it works. I mean, Schorber was a catcher. It seems like when most players are catchers, they don't ever move anywhere else. I don't know if that's entirely true. They moved Buster Posey off of catching and moved him to first. You could even argue that the twins kept Joe Maurer at catcher too long before they had him play first more. Closer Kenley Janssen started his career as a catcher before they converted him to a pitcher. Craig Bizio, hall of famer Craig Bizio started as a second baseman or as a catcher before they moved him to second base. I feel like catching is the position that players move off of more commonly. Here's Colby Thomas for the A's, that's for Alan Murdoch, because I think catching is such a, especially if you were a decent hitter. Catching is such a physically grueling position that oftentimes you're moving those guys off of catching whenever you can. I mean, Salvador, the DH is gonna help a lot with that too. Sometimes players are just blocked. Some catchers are just blocked by other players in other positions. But the DH, the universal DH, I think is gonna help a lot of catchers be able to slide into a DH spot. There's Wilson Trez. Preserve their legs. It never goes the other way though. I mean, you're never gonna see a short stop turn into a catcher and outfield turn into a catcher, right? So it's making some angry the cards. They have three catches on the roster now. Do they really? There's Vaughn Brown. I like what he's doing with the V there. 61 and 75, I hope he makes it. So that'd be cool to see in future sets. That's gonna go to James and the Giant Peach. James and the Giants. There's Michelle Dacin to 4.99 for Jordan and the Orioles. Alex Gordon, Gilo's favorite player because of his clutchness. Yeah, I think that matters. All-Aaron Drew-Jones. I mean, I don't think is Neiser supposed to be Andrew Neisner? Kniser? Neisner is the Case Island, like Knife? I don't think he's supposed to be up for very long though, right? So Oscar Coloss, Green Paper to 4.99. It'll be for James and the White Sox. It really all depends on where they're playing. I mean, Facebook more and more seems to be a lot more flexible in positions. There's a lot more like basketball, a lot of positional flexibility. Point guards can play multiple positions. Centers can play as point guards nowadays. They can bring the ball up. We're seeing that a lot with baseball these days too. Yeah, the Royals have three catchers, right? But MJ Melendez is playing the outfield or outfield more. All right, I suppose it just depends on how they deploy all those catchers. If you think about it, Wilson Contreras, if he's considered a regular DH now, then they were technically only have two catchers on the roster, right? Those Cardinals fans shouldn't be complaining. There's Vaughn Brown again, Refractor Autograph. Might be building a rainbow here, James. They're going cool auto. Ah, I see, they might keep Neisner up a little bit longer. Well, guess what? Contreras doesn't play catching right now. He's a DH now. Kyle Harrison neck. Well, it won't be in this box. We've pulled our three. We have three more autos in the last box. Yeah, well, I think the Cardinals are, here's Jayce Young, Josh's brother. I think the Cardinals have been spoiled for a long time with elite catching that they could just pencil in from season to season, year to year. And now they realize, oh, wait a second. We're not used to this. What's going on here? Why isn't this guy calling perfect games and just managing the defense just magically? Final box coming up. I mean, yeah, it's not easy to replace a guy like Yadir Molina, both in the clubhouse and on the diamond. So now it just looks like they're just kind of making knee-jerk reactions, especially if they're since they're not playing good baseball either. Like, it's the pitching staff, so that's the catcher's fault. I feel like they almost, I think they almost made it to, I don't know, I think they kind of was like, oh, we lost Yadir Molina. Let's get the first free agent catcher on the market and bring them in without really thinking about what his fit on that team's gonna be. And admittedly, I think that's what a lot of people will be like, well, Cardinals need a catcher, Wilson can dress. You know, it's kind of what everyone said. Maybe they would have been better off just kind of slowly bringing up a young defensive catcher. You know, if that's really what they wanted their identity to be, you know, Wilson Naturas is a, you know, above average defensive catcher, but he's no Yadir Molina. LBC for real, what's going on in the Twitch stream.  I think in baseball, that's probably really, especially if you have a catcher like Yadir Molina who's controlling an entire staff. I think that argument really, generally speaking, goes down to the catcher in a lot of teams. Nah, you can still win without a catcher, but, but I think the Giants, San Francisco Giants has had a lot of, a lot of trouble with their catching spot. Ever since Buster Posey left the organization, who was a leader, a leader on and off the field and being able to manage the pitching staff. There's a glider Figuero for Texas. That'll be for Jason. So yeah, I think that's, I think the catching position could be that important, especially if you rely on that catcher there. Can I name the other two Molina brothers? I should be able to, but with all these other names flashing ahead of me right now, I have to admit, I can't think of it off the top of my head. LBC for real loved all the Molinas. Yadir, Javier Molina? Is a Javier in there somewhere? Ah, Jose Molina and Benji, that's right, Benji Molina. Were they all catchers? One played for the Angles, was it Benji that played for the Angels for a while? Did one play with the Padres for a while? And there's Juan Cerella, purple chrome autograph for the Yankees, that's gonna go to Orin. There's Randy De Jesus for the Helos, to 75, Yellow Lunar, Tristan and the Angels. Almost done, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for hanging with me. I appreciate the company, especially in a longer break like this. I keep thinking that I kind of see the gold of a super refractor or something like that. I'm eager to see one, I haven't pulled one of a super refractor yet. We've got Eric Brown Jr., purple paper, 250. He expecting one more autograph out of here too. Oh, we were, now that we got some people on the chat here, who is, now that Yadir Molina is gone, I think Rex was actually in this question earlier today. Now that Yadir is retired, who is currently, I don't have an answer, but who is currently the best defensive catcher in Major League Baseball right now? J Gates, what's going on? Oh, LBC for real, watch to the end of this break. After I do the recap, you'll see what the biggest hit of this break was. It's called a T's, ladies and gentlemen. It's professional T's right there. And Andres Mesa, 127 out of 2.99. Speckle autograph for the Rangers. That's gonna be for Jason. Have I pulled a pearl pack out of hobby yet? I've not done a single case of hobby. J Gates has seven minor league teams around you. Nice, good for you. Is that, has that stumped everybody? No one's, no one has a thought on who takes the mantle of best defensive catcher in Major League Baseball right now? LBC was saying Logan O'Hop for the Angels was looking very good. Went down with an injury, I know. I had him on my fantasy team. I had a nice little rotation between him and Cal Raleigh. Now I'm stuck with Cal Raleigh, who can hit the homer but kills me on average. It's Corey Seager, Green Paper to 3.99. Edward Julian for Minnesota. We did find our third three autographs out of here. So we're looking for parallels. Jefferson Orojas, 92 out of 125. Rushman, yeah, is I think, I think Rushman can call a decent game, right? I think a lot of the shine is on, there he is. I think a lot of the shine is on how well he can hit, you know, but I think maybe his catching might be underrated. But yeah, maybe the question is not as clear. Maybe the answer is not as clear. Maybe there's no clear cut. Who's the next, who's the best defensive? I don't know if I have a guy, to be honest with you. Best defensive catcher? I don't know, it might be some, just some light hitting catcher on some team. Who can frames, frames the pitch pretty, like who's throwing out guys a lot? I was gonna say Austin Barnes, but Dodgers catchers have a hard time. My Dodgers have a hard time throwing guys out, but they call good games, so. James is sticking with Sean Murphy. It's not a bad, not a bad one. All right, recap for 2023 Bowman baseball, Jumbo edition, eight box, pick your team number 12. Pretty solid break, a lot of nice color, a lot of nice autographs, a lot of nice ink. We got that nice Jacob Berry. We got the Paguerro Rookie of the Year favorites autograph. And we got a nice blue lunar Drew Jones on card autograph 102 out of 150. There you go, LBC for real. This is the big hit of the break. Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? There you go, gladiator. There you go, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Joe for Jasper's CaseBreaks.com. Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us. Thanks for keeping me company through this long break. And I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye-bye.


Hello everybody, we did social networking last time and I promised you that I would have a separate session which talked about Facebook. So here I am, I am back with discussing Facebook. I am sure many of you already have Facebook accounts, all of you who are in this ICT basics course. So you will find a lot of this a little repetitive but I do hope you will learn something from it as it, as we proceed. Facebook as you all know is a social networking website. It is advertised in fact as an online directory that connects people through social networks at schools. So in the olden days you know you would have these little telephone, some of these old people would have these very worn out telephone directories or diary with names and phone numbers or addresses written in really small and you knew you could go to Hari Chacha and Hari Chacha would be able to give you the contact of many, many people in the world. Now Facebook has replaced Hari Chacha pretty much, right? It is an online directory that connects people through social networks at school. It is a free service and it allows you to create an online page much like the profile you create in the Agmoocs as well, which connects with friends, families, like-minded people, even strangers, absolutely anywhere in the world. You make new friends with anyone everywhere and you can share almost everything, pictures, personal information, messages, videos, join different groups, add applications and so on. So the entire focus of social networks and specifically Facebook is to build and relate, right? Not only build but actually create relationships, relate social relations among people with common interests, with common activities, common experiences, so beyond just relatives, just things that we are interested in together. A quick history of Facebook, 2003 end is when face mash was created for Harvard students. By February 2004 initially the Facebook makes its debut. Many of you would have watched the movie The Social Network which has this information anyway. In March, Stanford and Yale and Columbia were added to the Facebook. By May 2005, 800 colleges included Facebook. Then schools were included and finally in September all users over the age of 13 were allowed to have a Facebook account by 2006. Remember Facebook is among the older social networks that we have. Twitter for example came into being only around this time.  By August you had crossed August 2008, Facebook had crossed 100 million active users including now many middle aged users which was a huge success story for Facebook. December 350 million, so huge jump here between 2008 and 2009. In July 500 active users, 2012 data 800 million plus people are using Facebook. There was a concern that the users of Facebook are plateauing but we haven't really been able to see any evidence of that yet. The social impact of Facebook, look at the Facebook user breakdown by age, maximum users are in the age range of 18 to 25 years, middle age 23%, even 35 to 44 is of the range of 20%. So every age range it starts at 13 to 55 plus. You have users of Facebook at all age ranges. It is the most recognized social networking site in the world and it allows anybody to contact anyone provided you just have an internet connection. How do I use Facebook? Very simple. If you have been able to log in and use the SAG MOOCs course, you just follow exactly similar processes. You sign up, update your basic information, post a profile picture, you have done that already. The additional thing you do in Facebook is that you also add friends. So let me quickly take you through how you would log in to Facebook. First, go to the site of course. You see a screen like this, type in your name, type in your email ID, put in a password, select some basic details and sign up. Then confirm the email address and that is when your confirmation email will come just like you have already done for this particular course. Once you do that you have a link, click on the link, come to the Facebook page, click your profile edit. You have actually done all of this already so it is all old stuff for you. Type all your basic information, save the changes. You have created your own Facebook profile, enjoy Facebook, add your friends and continue to enjoy Facebook. Some quick features of Facebook, number one is updating your status. Share what you are doing, feeling or thinking. At college, do not disturb. At home on a lazy Sunday, waiting for friends, automatically you will get more people interacting with you. Note up your status update. You can do what is called friending. You send friend requests to users.  That is the idea of friending. You then have what we call Facebook chats which are real time interactions between friends who are on the website. So I get to the Facebook website, I put my update as lazy Sunday, nothing to do and then I look at who else is on the net and I find that Richa and Namita and Shruti are all on the net and you know I say oh hey Namita what's up and she says I am watching a movie and you say hey but wasn't this part about the movie really bad and then Shruti writes back saying no but I really like this part and then Namita says but you know what happened in reality and you have a full-fledged Facebook chat taking place. And then you see and you find that Murli is also online but he is very quiet. So you give him a poke, right? Just in the physical world you would have poked him if they were sitting in a group. Here you can't poke him so instead you gesture to attract his attention and ask him to also join in the Facebook chat. Sometimes you realize that in this common group of friends it is Deepak's birthday. So you then want to write a public message on their wall. So on Deepak's wall you write happy birthday Deepak and then everybody else knows his birthday and starts interacting with him, right? So you often would like to even do a public message. Then you start posting photographs. When you post photographs you can tag the photograph. So you have this picture where everybody is at a party and then you tag them with the name of your Facebook friends and then other people who are friends with those friends can look at the photo and identify their friend. So automatically once again you have extended your network. You can also send private messages to a friend or to somebody who you would like to be a friend with. Sometimes somebody has put up a message which looks very interesting but you can't think of something really witty to respond with immediately. So you just send a like, give your friends the thumbs up, right? Another very nice feature of Facebook is you can listen to Facebook with your friends, right? So you know choose music which all of you like and all of you can listen to the music together. It kind of simulates a real life situation where a bunch of friends have got together and are listening to music in the same room. Since that kind of proximity is not possible you kind of simulate it by doing that over the net. Of course if you are smart and you have something witty to say you will comment on pictures or status or wall posts, right? So somebody has gone to Switzerland and posted some very nice pictures. You may want to actually comment on that. You may want to say oh isn't this where DDLJ was shot or something like that, right? Now once again of course you've got to make sure that if you are working on Facebook you understand the privacy settings. You figure out when you only want friends involved, what about the notification, what about interacting on the phone. So this is absolutely critical that you understand the privacy settings and set those settings for yourself where you are most comfortable. Facebook has a message on an inbox. It will also keep pinging you on your email address if you haven't looked at your messages for a while so you should be aware of that. Of course very very important. You could spend 24 hours of a day on Facebook because there are continuous updates. Remember this is about users worldwide so when you are sleeping somebody else is awake.  So please be careful there are actually in reality de-addiction programs for Facebook because people experience withdrawal symptoms if they don't access Facebook for an hour. So given all the goodness of Facebook please keep in mind do not get addicted. Certainly protect your privacy and I think we've talked about that to quite an extent and remember that what you choose to post is clearly public information.  Five days later when an employer is hiring you that information is available to the employer. Do you want him to look at that? The employers do look at profiles. So please be clear about what you are posting, what is public and what is private. Benefits are many fold. Facebook can be used as a website, a directory, an online community, an expression of self, a social calendar as well as an information network. You could search for people you know request them to be friends you could really extend your networks. Please use Facebook to spread information on recruitment, make announcements, share information, raise awareness, often gather information and communicate with people. So lots of very useful pieces of work that Facebook can do provided remember you want to be a functional user of the network not beyond that. This is again a very very nice video on Facebook that you can watch and before we end I want to share this very real story with you. There is this gentleman called Malli Mastan Babu now many of you can search for his profile and Malli is an adventurer and he is known for because he has climbed the seven peaks of the world in the shortest time. Now during the recent floods in Peru and Chile where on a single day they had rainfall equivalent to what they receive in seven years, Malli got lost. He was in the desert till the day before he sent Facebook posts and tweets and suddenly there was complete silence from Malli. So this was now about a week back. Page has been put up called Rescue Malli Mastan. All details about the rescue is put up on the page. A link has been given where people can contribute money because while the Chilean government is trying to put up search operations for all their people because this is the Atacama desert where there are few residents you need separate helicopter searches. So luckily for him he is an IIT and IMLM he has been able to gather huge amount of resources this rescue fund and they are trying to look for him. But here is yet another major use of Facebook. It helps you connect to a wide range of people almost instantly. So let us you know we will end this discussion but we should all pray that Malli Mastan Babu comes back home safe. He is just in his early 40s a very very bright aspiring adventurer and we certainly hope that he comes back safe and sound. Thank you very much. Bye bye.


Okay. Looks like everything's set. Go ahead. Have fun. Yeah. Thanks. And welcome to this talk about sustainable computing. My name is Cornelius. I've been around for a while, and this is a topic which actually is dear to my heart, because it covers a combination of different things. It covers why I'm in KDE for a good part because of idealistic reasons, but also because of technical challenges, solving interesting technical problems, and also covering this idea that we can do more with the community than we can do alone. Sustainability is something which I'm using the term here in a pretty broad sense. How do we use resources we have? How do we satisfy our needs in a way that future generations can still fulfill their needs as well? And how can we get there in the context of computing and how KDE can help to get there? That's what I want to talk about in the next 30 or 40 minutes. We have talked about that last year at the Academy in a more informal way. We had a rough session about this topic, and I will now give you an update what has happened so far, where we are today, and what we are going to do in the future. So, sustainable computing. Why are we talking about that? What is that? If we look at what computers do to our environment, how they impact our life, and also how they impact our future ability to have the same life, we have to look at different aspects. One is energy consumption. Obviously, computers use a lot of electricity, and these are two graphs from a scientific study about electricity usage of communication technology. In the study, communication technology is this broad range of computers, speed servers, speed desktop systems, speed phones. This is a prediction of how much the impact will be of electricity usage in the future. This goes towards the year 2030. They call it worst-case scenario that electricity usage of computing technology could go up to something like 50% of the global electricity usage, which is an enormous amount of energy. There are different scenarios, of course. This is about predicting the future. That's not always easy. There are different scenarios. In the best-case scenario, if we do the right things, then we might end up with a situation where we don't use much more electricity as a fraction of total electricity usage in the future. But there's clearly a broad range. In the expected-case scenario, that's something on the right graph, you see that in absolute terms. That's a huge growth expected. This is something which will affect, of course, the amount of electricity we use, the amount of energy we use, and what computers have in effect. What that means is not that easy to say. We can say that a huge usage of electricity, of energy in general, that's something which will affect our environment in some way. Of course, depending on from which sources this electricity comes, it has a different kind of impact. If it comes from sustainable renewable energy sources, then the impact on our climate is probably lower than when it comes from other resources. It's not easy to tell what exact effect this has unless we have real numbers. But what we can say is that it will have an effect, that there will be an increase of usage because computers are everywhere. We know that. We're using them every day. Everybody's using them. We need to do something to keep that under control. This is the energy aspect. There's another aspect. If we look at electronics we use, this is a picture. It's a nice sculpture, actually, an artist project, the We-Man. The waste which comes from electronic and electrical equipment. This We-Man is a 7 meter high sculpture built from 3.3 tons of electronic waste. That's about the waste one person produces in this case in the UK. These are the numbers. You see that that's a lot of waste which is produced there.  The question there also is, what can we do? What does it mean to produce so much waste? The third aspect I want to look at is, it's more focused on software. That's the question, how much control do we actually have when we use software? What impact does software have on how we live our life? One of the typical examples there is if you look at printers, if you want to print a piece of paper that supposedly is a pretty simple thing, you just do it and you have a driver which converts your data into ink on paper. But if you use software for that, you might end up with something which is quite complicated and you get a lot of functionality you might not even need and you might not care about the fax functionality. You might not want the integrated shop to buy a new ink. This is also an example where software is really controlling the use of the hardware. Even if you have a good printer, the software controls if you can use it with the ink you bought for it and also when it will stop you working with the ink you have bought. This is an example for control about software and how you can control your usage of computers in a way that you can do it in a sustainable way. The question is, can we do something about this? How can we fix some of the problems maybe? If we are looking at this from a very high level and a very global point of view so there are the sustainable development goals of the United Nations they have defined these 17 goals which cover all kind of areas and there are a couple of areas which are interesting also in our context if we are looking at computing and software and hardware and so on so this obviously has something to do with consumption, with energy also with other aspects of society. So this is the very high level but we can go a little bit further down and look at it in a more concrete way. The question is, what is the role of software there? We are talking here in the KDE community, obviously we are a software community so how can we approach this question? One thing which has to be said is that hardware and software can't really be separated I mean computers don't work without software, software can't work without hardware so these affect each other and the architecture and the design of our software has an influence it determines how the hardware is used and also how much resources are used and it determines at least indirectly the energy consumption it's not the only influence obviously I mean also the efficiency of the hardware itself plays a role but the way how software is written has an influence there and if we look at the question of electronic waste then we also have this big effect of software that you might need new hardware not because your hardware is broken or outdated or not good enough anymore but because your software requires new hardware because it might use more resources than before or it might use new features which weren't there before so we have this effect that hardware often becomes obsolete because of the software that runs on it and then also the question a lot of restrictions are actually not hardware restrictions anymore but software restrictions so the way how you use hardware and also how long you can use hardware is not defined by really the life of the hardware itself so you rarely use a computer until it's really broken often you replace it for other reasons because of software restrictions or software requirements so if we look at that we can say software matters a lot in terms of the effect on sustainability in general and concrete questions like resource and energy usage and it also matters how software is done so it's not only about what software to use but also how the software is applied and how the software is developed and in which direction software is developed so then obviously in KDE it's not enough to just recognize the problem we ask the question what can we actually do about this is there a way how we can have an effect here and contribute something to better solutions and if we look at KDE's vision which says we strive for a world in which everyone has control over their digital life and joy's freedom and privacy this control over our digital life that's something which I think resonates quite well with the idea of sustainability so there's a lot in there and I will unfold that a little bit and show you in the next couple of slides as well how this has an even more concrete application in this area also one thing we can say that KDE technology actually is quite efficient in the domain we are we are writing mostly desktop applications at least that's our origin we write them as native applications the technology we use with C++ and QT that's technology which usually is quite efficient so there are some studies for example about resource efficiency of programming languages and C++ as you can see here comes up at the top with a pretty good factor and there are other languages like if you look at more modern languages which are also now often used on the desktop for example JavaScript for example other languages, Python, Perlis one of the last places here they use inherently more energy just because of the way how they are that doesn't mean that this is really an exact measure and there are certainly also ways how to write efficient code in many languages so here we can say that in KDE or technology the tendencies that we actually can be quite efficient and that it's not that difficult to write efficient software and we have Linux as an open and efficient platform I mean we know that Linux has been around for a long time and one really also of the good and also prominent use cases often is and was in the past if you think of install fests and stuff like that to get Linux running on old hardware to make it available for example for people who can't afford new hardware or just to make use of computers you already have so you don't have to buy a new one because other software would require you to upgrade to bigger hardware faster with more memory and everything so KDE is in a good position there and the other aspect where I think KDE can have quite an effect there is because it provides leverage we have many applications we have many different use cases we have many users if we look at for example what Alessia presented this morning about it's all about the applications all about the apps so we have a lot of users and even the users we know that that's already quite a number and there are certainly a lot of users and if we think of the role we have there if we improve our applications in a way that they save a little bit of energy or make usage of resources in a more efficient way this might have a small effect if you look at just one application but if you look at many applications and multiply this by the number of users they have this can have a huge effect and that doesn't mean that it's sufficient to solve all the energy problems on one of the things which can contribute here so given that we assume we can do something about this how do we do it how can we actually make a difference here and I want to present you three projects in this area which we have been working on for quite some while already in the concept stage also in a little bit of implementation and the last project is something which will be prepared and will start in the future and these are two areas the first one is the first energy efficiency project with a nice acronym this is about measuring actually energy efficiency so we have data, we can quantify what we use there and where we can change things to improve the situation the second one is the blue angel label you might also have heard about that and the last one is the blue angel which demonstrates that your software actually is done in a sustainable way and I will tell you more about what it is and how it works the last one is the blue angel for free and open source software that's a new project more about the community part about spreading the word about engaging others about helping others to also be more sustainable in the way how they do their computing so let's dive in the first project is FEAP what's the goal there what we want to achieve there is that we want to quantify energy efficiency so it's easy to say this application appears to consume a lot of energy I mean sometimes it's obvious if the fan of your laptop starts to make noise that's an indication that energy is used what actually uses the energy and also how you can maybe affect it and change it which is not so easy to answer if you don't have numbers you can rely on so for that we need to measure this and we also need to measure it in a way which is repeatable so that we can actually do comparison that we can also watch that over time or with different implementations different versions if it is transparent then it can actually become a criteria we can use for other purposes to tell what is sustainable what is energy efficient maybe features what is energy efficient architecture what is energy efficient design and there still is a lot to do in this area so it's not clear what the answer is there but we have to start somewhere and one important part of that also is that we need to develop tools or use the tools which are already there so that we can do that automatically and it's something which can become a part of our normal development environment and we can use it as criteria for how good our software is in the end I want to present one method how this can be done so this is a procedure which was developed as a research project from the Uni Trier in Germany it's about sustainable software design and they designed a measurement framework which can be used to measure the energy consumption of software it's not that easy actually because there are a lot of different parts involved so this is the first step towards that which is aimed at desktop software desktop software because there you have one computer and you can actually measure the energy consumption of this computer and if you don't have dependencies on for example servers or other components then this is a good measure of what specific software is using and the way how this is done is they define a scenario where you measure software in different scenarios so you create a baseline measurement over time so this is the line which basically the computer uses when it's simply on without any software running or not the specific software which we are looking at and then there's a second measurement that's the second line here that's the idle management so when you start a piece of software and it does nothing it will consume some resources it will consume some energy but if there's no activity this will be pretty constant and then the interesting part is using a standard scenario what you typically do with a piece of software and then measure how the energy consumption develops over time and you see this in this curve where according to different activities then different amount of energy is used and you can actually measure that by observing how much power the computer actually is consuming. If you put a device basically at the power adapter of the computer you can get pretty hard numbers about the consumption and you do that over time you do that a couple of times to create averages and collect some other system statistics like memory usage, processor utilization, hardest activity, network activity, stuff like that so that you can also put that in context to then tell what actually is happening there and if you collect all this data you can create reports which summarize this also here that there is something like an average energy consumption or total energy consumption if you integrate over this curve you get numbers you can then use for comparison and also for transparency so this is a procedure which was defined in this research project and we actually have some measurements of KDE software using this method. These were done by students at the Umweld Campus Birkenfeld so that's the institute at the University Trier where also this measurement method was developed and I think fully these students have done some measurements on KDE software so I will show some graphs how this can look like and this is only one graph of actual energy consumption so how much power the application is consuming in the standard usage scenario and this example is ocular so you can see over time there's a standard scenario where you open a file you put this file into presentation mode you go forward a couple of pages you invert the view you zoom out change some pages again invert the view again and you can tell in the graph what is happening here so these bigger spikes these are the view inversions the smaller spikes when you go over different pages so you can tell what is happening there and you get an overall number about how much energy is such a usage scenario then consumed a similar measurement for another application K-Mail also done by another student at Umber campus this is another usage scenario in the context of K-Mail so opening some mail folders composing sending mails replying to three mails so these are the bigger peaks here so opening these mails, typing something and then sending it out over the network that actually consumes apparently quite a bit of energy the absolute numbers are still quite low of course because this is one mail but by repeating this measurement a couple of times you get this average where you can actually tell these actions consume this amount of energy and of course there are more graphs which collect the different also resource resource utilization scenarios and you will see here that for example the energy consumption correlates quite well with the processor utilization and you can see that if a mail is sent then there is a spike in network traffic so Krita is another example also a use case where you look at different operations in Krita editing pictures and you can see for example there is a big peak at the beginning where you open the picture operations done drawing operations which don't consume as much energy and then there are some group operations which consume more energy so if you look in detail at these scenarios and the measurements you can actually tell which actions have which effect and again you get this number you can use for comparison so and then another measurement I'm sorry the attribution is not correct so this also was done by Francisco who did the ocular measurements a little bit newer measurement where she compares not a single application but different operating systems and has a more global usage scenario with downloading applications installing them, copying files around and so on and this is a comparison between Linux and Windows so it's interesting to see it's quite similar but there are some differences in some cases Linux is better in some cases Windows is better so this would be interesting to look more into it and I also have to say that this is Ubuntu system so it's not a KDE desktop so that also would be a nice research project to look into that and see if there's a difference if maybe Plasma is more effective than the GNOME desktop on Ubuntu so these are a couple of examples how you can do these measurements and one question I want to ask in the context of this what's energy efficiency project is what if these measurements could be part of our usual operation so what if we could integrate them in how we do software development and we could create another metric we use we have metrics like we make sure that our tests pass, we look at bug counts, we look at translation statistics and so on so why not also look at energy consumption statistics and make sure that our energy efficient doesn't degrade and new versions consume too much energy compared to older versions so we could maybe make this quality gate and I think it would be a nice motivation also for optimization so getting some of the peaks smaller maybe getting the absolute number smaller if you measure them then you have a good way how to also optimize them and making the state transparent to users would make it very easy for us to also talk about that and give users a choice what software to use and have good arguments to use the software which is efficient so this is the technical part about really looking into the data and making sure that we have the ways how to measure and decide about that now I want to talk a little bit about the blue angel which comes from a different direction the German people will know the blue angel it's actually something an echo label from the federal government of Germany it's really old it's more than 40 years old and it was created to indicate products which are designed in a way which is friendly for the environment and in Germany you see that label on a lot of different products obviously 40 years ago computers were not such a hot topic as they are today so this is about stuff like paint but also completely different things like ships so a very broad range of products and the label there are criteria for each product category what it means to be environmentally friendly and then according to these criteria you can get the label to indicate that your product is done in a way which fosters sustainable consumption so you can read about that it's a German label but all the documentation it's also there in English and the criteria I think are quite general valid so it just makes a lot of sense to look at that not only from a German point of view and last year they introduced a category for resource and energy efficient software so this is a new category there's a great presentation actually given by Marina Köhne and Eva Köhne they were instrumental to establishing this category for software and under the blue label and I recommend to watch this presentation it really gives a good background and details about that and while it's in German there's an English translation available so it should be accessible to everybody the focus of this criteria is desktop applications server and mobile will be added in the future but for now there has to be a start somewhere it's about desktop applications and the criteria are categorized in three areas the first is resource and energy efficiency the second is potential hardware operating life that one is user autonomy and I will tell you a little bit more about what that actually means so if we look into resource and energy efficiency they use for these blue angel criteria for the blue angel certification actually this methodology I presented before about the sustainable software design and so part of the application for the blue angel label is to provide measurements according to this procedure and the data which is related to that you have to document that put it into standard format so it can actually be made transparent and this is the energy efficiency part the other part is about the potential hardware operating life so making sure that you don't have to buy new hardware because your software requires that so part of the criteria is that the energy consumption of new versions of your software shouldn't increase over time so a new version that limits so it can increase a little bit but it's not supposed to increase a lot so this makes sure that on our hardware you can actually run your software for a long time and part of that is the definition of reference system so they have specs for systems from 2015 to 2019 so these are reference systems you can use to do measurements to make sure that you have this that you have it available on old systems as well so one of these systems could look like this this is one of the reference systems from 2015 and we can do measurements of this and our software runs very very fine on it user autonomy is an interesting part because that's not so much about the technical specifications but more about making sure that users have control that the data formats allow interoperation that the software is transparent that it's available for for a longer time that you are in control of what you install and whatnot that it's free from advertising and stuff like that so this is something I think which is very familiar to us this is basically a lot of the ideas of free and open source software reflected in this user autonomy criteria so if you look very close you can see that actually these criteria there's a hole shaped in the form of KDE KDE fits in very well we have desktop software we have this software autonomy user autonomy as something which is in the core of what we are doing so this is something which fits very well to us KDE software qualifies for that in a direct way and there is demand for this so this is a block about decision by the city of Dortmund which they recently did but they said for new software they will actually require that it fulfills the criteria of the Blue Angel for software so if they buy new software they look for that if there is software there which has this label and that's one of the problems we have at the moment nothing is there yet but KDE software could be there I said this is really a good match so where are we with this this is something I've worked on for the last couple of weeks and months to get our applications in shape there so the application looks like this they're different you have to fill some forms you have to put in the documentation you have to do the energy management so based on the energy measurements done by the students in Trier I created the first set of applications here the one for Oculus almost ready Chimeille and Krita are next we have the data for that and we are looking into measuring KDevelop, other KDE software I mean there are many applications and we have a little bit of tooling and infrastructure we are able to help with that we have an organization which can actually officially do the applications for that so we are almost there with that here's a work board and a repository you can look at the link what's happening there so can we do something about this and we make more sustainable computing possible with KDE we can with KDE if we can shape of a bit of energy multiplied by our users or if we can spread it amongst our applications if we can make the idea stick we can actually make a difference there and this brings me to another project that's the last of the three the Blue Angel for FOSS can we do something about this if we look at KDE yes I think I've shown we can but the good thing is we are not alone there are others who are also supporting this course and we are actually starting with a project supported by a grant of the German environment agency to support sustainable development software development by promotion and application of the criteria of the Blue Angel in the free and open software community so this is about spreading the word and helping others to also do that and getting a community going to work towards these criteria to work towards more sustainable computing and we are in contact there with other organizations the FSFE, the Round Table Repair or the Document Foundation they all have interest in there more communities which would fit in there there are more desktop applications which could benefit from actually the qualification of energy consumption but also these other criteria about user autonomy and similar things so let's do something about this I think we have the means we have a very good situation we have the right projects we have the right people to do something about this so let's work towards sustainable computing and let's carry the flag for sustainable computing I think KDE, EV and KDE in general we have a lot of very good resources there and we have I think the opportunity to make a difference there and to do to go into this in more concrete terms like what I describe measuring energy efficiency making this part of what we consider the quality of our software we also have areas where I think we don't have to do a lot in terms of changing our software or introducing new things but we can just demonstrate how our software extends hardware life we can demonstrate how our software preserves user autonomy it does that I mean we know that if we could prove that by putting a blue angel on our software that would be even better so this is one of the things I think which can help us there and then of course spread the word helping others that's something where we can have this bigger effect so I would like to do that I work on that for I think a little bit more than a year now and I love to continue on that and I would love some more help on with that so I would be really happy if people join me and we create more momentum there and there are a couple of things which I think these are also smaller things that are not all huge projects for example definition of standard user scenarios for your application that can be quite simple and then finding a way how to automate that that might also be related to other testing tasks you do then also the measurement itself that's also interesting how to do that how to execute that how to create reports about that so this goes a little bit more in scientific areas but also then other things like just documenting autonomy so making sure that in our documentation it's clear what our privacy statement is so linking that in the documentation making sure that users know that they are in control if they are using our software what is happening there so we could do a lot there and these can be small tasks these can be bigger tasks so I would like to invite you to join this effort and do something about sustainable computing where do we get together we have a mailing list energy efficiency at KDE.org so there's not a lot of traffic there yet but this is an obvious place where we can meet there are also two repositories one for the energy measurements that's the fee price repository that's meant as a pretty open project so across applications maybe even across communities and there's another repository where we make the work transparent for creating these applications and for more discussions about that and answering questions and everything I've scheduled for Tuesday so I would like to invite you to join this as well and then talk more in depth about what we are doing there and what we can help there in the end we are filling this hole in the form of KDE I think we can do a lot there so let's do something about it let's go towards sustainable computing and that's what I wanted to tell you and so I think we have a few minutes left for questions so I haven't followed the matrix channel but so Adam you have to help me out and repeat if there was something there we should answer now thank you indeed we do have a couple of minutes left and we do have some questions here in the widget so coming from the top of the most scored ones Kevin has looked at the repositories and he has found the documentation but not really something actionable or easy to run to measure the apps how far are we from actual off the shelf tooling for these tasks for example would be needed for CI yeah so the tool which was used for the measurements which were done by the students at the Umber campus that was or you would pronounce it so the configuration for that is in the feedback repository so this automates basically clicking buttons moving mouse typing in so you can use that to repeat the usage scenario and you can use that back so it's a little bit fragile so there are certainly better ways how to do that I think especially for our applications probably the people who are familiar with the applications can find better ways how to automate that in a more reliable way so at the moment we have these axonal scenarios configuration there also is a little bit of experimentation so I try to do that with X2 tool which is just as fragile but in a different way and there are certainly other ways how we could do that so this is one of the topics of research also help with that, automating that is very welcome but also looking at these existing scenarios and the configuration which is there okay thank you very much and I guess one more won't hurt this is coming from Nate efforts to reduce consumption via improved efficiency encounters the Jevons products which is the increased efficiency simply incentivize more usage how do you think we can address this yeah I mean that's a very good point and as I said I think it's a very complicated topic also not all usage is the same so if you use for example green energy then maybe consuming this energy is not as harmful as if you don't and this paradox of course also is true and I mean you see that with software software hasn't become much faster it just has become more powerful and we do things in maybe different ways than before although the hardware has become much much powerful over the past couple of years so I think we have to look at it from a holistic perspective the important is measuring things so we have data so we can actually tell what is happening there so we can tell our software is becoming less efficient or more efficient but then also this other the more social or more idealistic approach to also look at these software factors look at what is reflected as user autonomy in the blue angel but I think we can also make this the bigger ideas or maybe consuming less something which can't really be justified from a technical point of view but you can find other ways how you can look at that so I think if we put together all these different factors the different views the values we also have I think in the KDE community we have strong values which go into this direction of working in a way that we can work in a sustainable way I think we can put this together it's not a guarantee that we will solve it and that we magically and energy consumption which is not necessary but I think putting a focus on the topic following the idea doing something about it will help us at least have a little bit of improvement and that's what counts right small improvements put on top of each other they give the big improvements yeah thanks one more sure we are coming from Niklas regarding that certification how does resource intensive software like 3D graphics or video rendering fit into this scheme I would assume they are inherently more demanding yeah we have to say that for the a big part of the certification in the current state is about making things transparent so measuring putting data and publishing that it's not so much about absolute numbers so it actually says in the criteria that they are not judging if an application is consuming an absolute maximum number of energy or something but that there is made an effort to make this transparent to measure it and so on and of course depending on the use case I mean if you do complex calculations you need more energy than if you just show something and nothing happens with this so I think that we are not there yet with really doing these comparisons across maybe different software categories even but it's more about creating awareness and being conscious about how much energy you consume and what effect your software actually have that software is a major factor in your energy consumption is something which is not obvious for some people also in some ways of thinking if you think about it I mean you see it you have a nice computer and you use it and you're happy that your battery life is becoming longer with a new device but then looking at what actually the data says and if the way how someone has an effect on it it's not easy to tell at the moment because we just don't have looked at that yet so from this point of view I think making data making measurements making data transparent and then looking at it and then you can judge in different categories what is necessary and if you can see you have this the game which is just as good as the other game but only consumes 10% of energy maybe that's an indication for people at least to prefer this game which uses less energy yeah makes sense okay we are out of time thank you very much Cornelius for the presentation and for answering the questions thank you great event really I'm really happy and proud to be part of it and join me for the both if you're interested in deeper discussions about the topic