Monday August 6th meeting of the regular common council meeting will the clerk call the quote a call read the quote of the day It's time to pull together for the greater good of the city Clerk will call the roll 15 present and Alderman Decker is excused he called in Alderman Hammond Can you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance I've heard a few times I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you. Welcome Alderman Hammond Approval of the minutes Make a motion to approve second been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting Is there any discussion or any changes? We none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries resignations City Attorney Thank you, your honor. There's one resignation from Jason Shane advising that he needs to resign from the historic preservation slant housing rehabilitation committee Motion to accept and file it's been moved it moved and seconded to accept and file the resignation Is there any discussion? We none clerk will call the roll. Thanks, Cory 15 eyes motion carries Public forum tonight city clerk All right first this evening. We have Henry Capitulo Henry if you could come forward, please Henry, can I have your home address, please? Yes, that's 1619 North 38th Street Okay, you will have five minutes. Okay I'm here representing the Gateway Neighborhood Association and as the Gateway Neighborhood Association president I would like to thank Everyone that has really been involved in getting together. We are going to have the first Michigan Avenue Business Corridor Block Party on August 25th. I'd like to thank Mayor Terry Van Akron for his help Also director of Public Works Dave Bebel I'd also like to thank Sargent Dave Anderson from the Sheboygan Police Department and Captain Steve Cobb who were instrumental in Getting everything ready for the street closing also the individual that has really been involved from Gateway who has been Basically instrumental in spearheading this is Steve Benish. He's the owner of the magic car wash on 10th and neary I'd like to thank Steve without his help. We never would have gotten this off the ground I'd also like to thank the sponsors Which we have 30 of them can't list them all but the main ones are magic car wash in tune chiropractic care Community Bank Epicurean Lounge Rolo sign Those are just some of the ones that are Sponsoring the Gateway Neighborhood Association Michigan Avenue Business Corridor Block Party I hope I didn't leave. Oh, also, I'd like to thank Dave Owen and Green Pauly from the Three Sheeps Brewery for Helping us and giving us a good price for the beer that will be served there. So That's the new micro brewery that's over at the hops Haven building so We'd like everybody from the council if they can make it August 25th It's going to be from 4 o'clock to 10 o'clock We also would like to invite everybody out in the community to come here and support the businesses on Michigan Avenue, and we hope that we can do this again Next year and to keep going on and promoting this whole area, which is the business corridor also I I'd also like to thank chief Demolgowski for his encouragement of all the Police officers that are the Gateway Neighborhood Association officers that we have Didn't have a chance to thank him. We had our neighborhood cleanup where we we basically did Cleanup we filled three dumpsters full of Debris also we took seven dump trucks of electronic to recycle The officers that were there were also Sergeant David Anderson Officer Ryan Schmidt officer Matthew Friedel officer and do Kingler and Also like to thank the police department for or the fire department for their volunteers that they had out that day also Really didn't get a chance to meet any of them because I was busy with the dumpsters and and getting that all together And also I'd like to thank the chief for encouraging all of their officers that are in the Gateway neighborhood to do more community policing and you would not believe the difference that this is made they have come to our Gateway neighborhood board meetings And without their help we never would have been able to do the cleanup In fact three of the officers that were very instrumental in going out and handing out the flyers for the cleanup They did a drop in all of the whole area. Our boundaries are from 9th Street To Superior Avenue to our Ontario to 14th Street that whole area is the Gateway Neighborhood Association and In the future, we definitely are going to be doing more things in that area We'd like to promote not only the businesses, but also we're looking at developing There's a housing project that has been under under development with Chad from city development from Habitat for Humanity and Various other landlords in that area. That's something that at a later date. We also will probably come and let you know about Again, I would like to thank everybody if I didn't pronounce your name, right? I'm sorry, but I'm terrible with names and again, I'd like to thank everybody usually we thank everybody after the the the festival, but it was just Phenomenal all the people that have really pulled together to get this and to move and also all the businesses that are in the Michigan Avenue, they have been Superb and in working with us on getting this together And we hope that it's going to be something that is going to be memorable and Will be something that everybody it's going to be for you can bring your family your kids There will be some things there for for kids early on Henry would I would you like your extra minute sure so we'd like to encourage anyone that is Hearing this to definitely come down We'd like to promote the area and I know sometimes You know this area gets kind of like negative publicity because of how many of the bars We've got but you know what their business is to and they pay taxes to the city They support all the services that are there so we definitely want to promote that I think that we can do it in a good way that'll be productive and we want to promote this Thank you very much. Thank you Henry. Thank you Henry for all the work you do you've done on this project And This evening we have Dwight Darrell Dwight if you could come up, please Dwight if I can get your home address And 3304 Tipperary Road and Cascade our office address is 822 Niagara Avenue here in Sheboy And you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you. I'm representing arrow towing tonight Nick Bolenbacher and Chad Joseph here on the Seat over there there are the principles of the company the owners I want to talk for a moment about the towing contract that I understand may be taken up for a consideration tonight So I understand it back. Excuse me. Can you move your mic up just sure? Sorry back in March The current contract with depotowing came up for either review or was expiring under its own terms at that time and The committee decided that instead of extending that contract for one year Which would have been allowable under the contract that instead they would put things out for lowest bid The lowest bid process I think is the most important process that any municipality can follow Because the lowest bid process should assure the citizens of this community the best value for the least amount of dollars It should also assure that petty politics won't enter into the process of City contracts being given to local businesses. That's why we have the lowest bid process The towing contract was put out for bid Twice arrow towing came in with the lowest bid That lowest bid was accepted each time by the local the committee on safety and What is it called safety and Protection On two occasions each occasions there were challenges to the bid the first time there's a challenge to some wording the bid contract and Documents I understand that that challenge was reviewed the bid was let out again and again arrow towing was the lowest bidder After that time arrow has been Sailed by the other vendors To the process I hope you have received the letter that arrow sent out that kind of goes through some of those points One of the points is that they're not a local business This community this city does not have a by local ordinance Even if it did I think it would be relevant to note that while arrow is located out in Sheboygan Falls It's employees who run these trucks at night and on the weekends are all residents of the city So I'm not sure why that's being brought up as a reason to go with not the lowest bid But the second lowest bidder the third lowest bid something other than the What the bid documents called for and what the successful bidder Applied for and was initially awarded the other items in the in the letter that was sent out indicate a little bit about arrows Determination on the job the fact that they were the single towing company in the city that was out in the February of 2011 Blizzard when the other towing company stayed home That fact that arrow towing has received the recommendation of the city police department and of the purchasing agent I'd like you to think a little bit as long as you can in the time that you have About preserving the integrity of the low bid process This community I think can ill afford to become one where we let out bids and you have vendors who follow Strictly the requirements of the bid documents come in with the lowest bid only to find out that if you stand up in public form and Slander the other vendor that somehow you're going to overcome the low bid process I don't think that's fair, and I don't think that's the kind of community you want to develop here. Thank you Thank you, Dwight Under mayor's announcements want to remind everybody tomorrow night. There is a walk against crime at join us at Faulton Park 6 30 p.m There'll be some music Entertainment refreshments, and we'll walk through the neighborhoods Along with the police didn't share his department tomorrow evening 6 p.m. At Faulton Park Consent agenda almond Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor motion to accept on file all RO's accept and adopt all RC's and pass all resolutions and Substitute resolutions second It's been moving seconded to pass all our O's pass all our C's all Substitute put upon passes all substitute resolutions and resolutions to be two one through 220 So any discussion? Very none the clerk will call the roll 14 eyes one no Motion carries Three one through three three will be referred For one on our roll from the city clerk's meeting a change in premise for an event at Blue Harbor Resort license number 2805 And thank you, mr. Mayor. I move we sit first up when we suspend the rules It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules so any discussion hearing on clerk will call the roll on suspending the rules Julie Motion carries that spending rules on the RO itself. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I Move the grant the change Then move and seconded to grant the change of the premise under discussion Is there any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried Six four two we will hold for six one Four through four three through four nine will be referred All the men versi Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to pull document 48 forward place. Well, what did you say? Or eight pull it forward for eight we will Discussion of for eight all the men versi. Hey, mr. Mayor. I'd just like to move to file it second second And move and seconded to file the RO for eight Alderman born Thank you, ma'am anachron. I just want to make a couple comments before and read a short statement before the council votes on this I'd like to thank my constituents in district 8 and constituents from all over the city of Sheboygan on voicing their support For me over the last week or so. I Also had a chance encounter last Thursday as I was out running some errands on Michigan Avenue I Had a chance encounter with one of the police and fire commissioners. I had a very cordial Conversation with him and he said Alderman born. I just want to let you know that I fully support what you're doing on the Common Council now for my short statement and This is in follow-up to the email that I sent out to the four individuals the mayor chief Tom Ogalski chief Herman and attorney McLean Regarding that email. I realize now that any Seemingly harmless act of betting on city outcomes even for the benefit of charity Was inappropriate on my part. Thank you. Alderman born any other discussion hearing none The motion is to file clerk will call the roll 11 eyes three nose one abstention Motion carries resolutions Rest of those things will be referred Resolutions Or part nine we are going to change it from committee the whole to public works Resolutions 5 1 resolution by Alderman board authorizing appropriate city officials to enter into a contract for the procurement Thermal drying equipment at the wastewater treatment plant Alderman born Thank You mayor van Akron. I move to suspend the rules second Then move the second to suspend the suspender rules any discussion on suspension Clerk will call the roll on suspension only 15 eyes motion carries the suspended rules Alderman born on the resolution on the resolution then mayor I would make a resolution to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage second It's been moved seconded to put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion on the resolution? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried 5 to a resolution by Alderman height of an authorizing entering into a contract for Crocker reconstruction project with patched chin check Construction I hope I didn't butcher that too bad Alderman height of it. Thank you mayor for butchering that no I need a motion to suspend rules Second, it's been moved second. It's a suspend the rules Is there any discussion on suspension of the rules? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries Alderman height of an on the resolution you put the resolution upon its passage second It's been moved in second at the resolution be put upon its passion under discussion Under discussion this project was bitted out and the contractor wants to get started on August 13th That way that's why we had a suspended rules that should take about eight weeks So it should be done and this is for the Crocker Avenue area. Thank you Alderman height of an any other discussion Seeing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried By three rule Resolution from Alderman racelor authorizing 90 day extension for department head resident three requirements Alderman racelor Thank You mr. Mayor. I moved to suspend the rules It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules Is there any discussion on suspension? Clerk will call the roll on the suspending the rules 15 eyes Motion carries on the resolution Alderman racelor. Thank you mr. Mayer moves at the resolution resolution be put upon its passage Second It's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passion. Is there any discussion on the resolution Alderman versey Hey, Mr. Mayor just actually a kind of as a Transparency to everybody in TV land and around just a brief explanation on why we're doing this if you could Sure Thank You director people is not to last of my knowledge told us house yet due to the economical conditions and we're gonna grant them Oh, I'm not another 90-day extension That answer your question Any other discussion seeing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carry Resolution by Alderman Hammond amending Resolution number two three four zero three zero four establishing policy for applying Undesignated fund balances Alderman And thank you, mr. Mayor. If it's okay. I'd like to hold this one and take it with six three since they're complimentary documents All right, we will hold this over for document six three By five through five seven lie over Five eight will be referred to public works Six one from public protection and safety and ending entering into a formal one-year extension of the call current towing agreement with depot towing Alderman van Akron. Thank You mr. Mayor I would first make a motion to suspend the rules back in then move and second to suspend the rules Is there any discussion about suspending the rules? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll on suspension 15 eyes motion carries Alderman van Akron on the resolution itself on the document I would ask mr. Mayor that the Council accept and adopt the report of committee and the Resolution be put upon its passage second It's been moved and seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted Is there any and passed resolution? Is there any discussion on the committee report? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll Ten eyes four nose one extension motion carries Six two will hold for six ten six three by finance Recommending drafting a document amending resolution two three four all three to replace the 18 percent to 25 percent Undesignated fund along with five four the resolution that we were holding at this time Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor I move to accept and adopt number six point three and put upon this passage five point four back in That move is seconded to put upon its passage 5.4 and accept the committee report on 63 so any discussion Alderman van Akron Thank You mr. Mayor. I know we had a long discussion about this at the committee of the whole meeting I believe last week Tuesday. I think there was some miscommunications and misunderstanding about some of the numbers When I went back and took another look That is the documents that you all I believe have a copy of on your desk. I provided that for you Just an explanation of the documents the first page is a summary of the next two pages The next two pages are documents that I copied out of the last two audits that the city has received Again at the last committee the whole meeting We did have a lengthy discussion in reference to the Undesignated fund balance and where that has come from and where we would like to see that continued to go If you follow along on the summary page The unassigned balance or the undesignated fund balance in 2009 without the working capital was approximately three point eight million dollars in 2010 that increased by one point eight million dollars to five point six million dollars And if you look at the fund balance in 2011 has increased again by one point eight million dollars to seven point five million dollars With these documents that brings that The percentage without the working capital to the current level of 21 percent the document that we're going to be voting on here shortly would ask to increase that to 25 percent which would be another increase of approximately one point two million dollars And I guess that's what I wanted to make clear to everybody that's going to be voting on this since 2009 the city council has put away Approximately three point six million dollars of taxpayer money into this unreserved account We've all talked about all the different projects we have all the different things coming up again We've put away three point six million dollars into that account if we pass this document will be in the area of Four point eight million dollars into this account. I'm not okay with that I'm not okay with continuing the trend of taking the taxpayers money and putting in our savings account That's what this document does So with that being said I would ask or make a motion to amend the current document rather than the 25 percent that is listed To leave it at the current level of 21 percent not to increase it another one point two million dollars There's a motion on the floor. Is there a second? I'll second There's a second we're talking about five point four now the actual resolution changing it from The undesignated balance from 25 percent to 21 percent Under discussion Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor and you know, I I appreciate the homework that All the person van Akron did Unfortunately, we had to put some of those dollars back into the general fund because 4.7 of it was depleted over The middle portion of the 2000s to pay for unfunded pension liabilities and various other things It's also been very clear from not only moodies, but our bond Our bond underwriters that any decreases in general funds Are going to be looked at very unfavorably when we go out for bonding in 2014 Now thinking thinking ahead a little bit like you know, I like to do more than 2013 We have roughly four million dollars of future vehicles a 1.8 million dollar deficit that we're facing in 2015 It's assuming we keep the garbage fee And not have to deal with 2014 We let the general fund continue to deplete. We're going to be right back where we were in 20 2006 27 2007 and 2008 and I'm not willing to take the community back to that point So I can't support going to 21 percent 25 percent I just want to explain to everybody when we look at this general fund reserves And I thank you for putting that spreadsheet together because it actually kind of helps my point The only point the only money that we have that is actually unrestricted and free Is that 7.5 million? Everything else is either working capital inventory prior year's payments or receivables Yes, believe it or not. They include in our general fund reserves Receivables that we haven't received and may not receive for some time now For example loans we make the tiff districts or the various other things. So This money is the only Undesignated money we have and I think 25 percent is a great number Because it gives us enough flexibility that if we have to dip into it It doesn't put us be below where we're at currently And and we all know looking at it unless we can raise taxes We're gonna have to dip into it. So I can't support this Looking at what's coming up in 2014 2015 and beyond. Thank you Alderman borne I I have nothing Alderman vernacorn not alderman hammond answered my questions. Thank you Alderman vernacorn Thank you, mr. Mayor. Just to speak on the amendment I do agree with alderman hammond that I'm not in favor of depleting the unreserved fund I my motion would hold it at the 21 percent that we've built that up to We've again, we've gone from 9 percent to 21 percent over the last three years My motion would hold it at that level. I'm not in favor of going down or or decreasing that in any way I think it's built up. He listed the reasons why it was built up over the last several years I'm just not in favor of continuing that trend of holding the people's money in our savings account As he indicated, there are things that are coming up. There are capital expenditures That I think would be much better resources for this money So why would we put it in our account if those things are coming up? That's it I guess it doesn't make sense to me to hold it in our savings account when we have Different areas that everyone has agreed are possibly coming up that we're gonna have to pay for Let's start paying for that rather than putting away half a million dollars this year Which is the projected amount towards this reserve fund. I'm just not in favor of continually building this fund Like I said 21 percent. I think is a reasonable level when you use these states Accounting balanced how they account it We're at 33 percent when you look at our comparables, which we did on tuesday We were the highest one that was given. So I think it's a reasonable amount where we're at I'm not in favor of decreasing that I'm not in favor of seeing that go lower But I am in favor of holding it at that level. It's an increase from 18 percent Which the the municipal code indicates now up to 21 percent We've put away 3.6 million dollars of the taxpayers money into this account over the last three years I don't I don't agree with continually just putting this money away Thank you all the men versey Hey, mr. Mayor Alderman Hammond hit it on the head, but he didn't give you the correct or not I shouldn't say correct number but add it to your to your numbers on this is great spreadsheet here But you forgot the part that we're actually still almost three million negative for what we borrowed Even with these numbers that we increased back in 050607 and 08 that put us in a hole putting this there is trying to make us Right, so we're not taking more money. We're trying to replenish your savings account that you already went in a hole for That's what this is doing. This is bringing us back to zero and we're still not there We're almost three million dollars still in a negative on that from borrowing from those years Just so you put that in perspective with these numbers. Thank you Alderman Carlson Thank you, mayor my question to you alderman van Akron is uh, what do you propose? We do it to surplus from this year. Are you going to put it towards roads? Are you going to try to fulfill mayor van Akron's pledge to get rid of the garbage fee? Is that a question to the alderman? Yes, it was Alderman van Akron Again the surplus or the projected surplus that'll come up will be at the discretion of this council We'll have to decide where that money goes everyone will have their vote on the where to spend that money Whether it's roads whether it's fire trucks whether it's to give it back to the to the people I stood here pretty adamantly last week tuesday and indicated. I think we should find a way to give the people their money back We've overcharged them 3.6 million dollars We're going to overcharge them approximately 1.2 million dollars this year And there was no avenue in the documents that are that we're talking about right now to give that people that money back to the people again We're putting this money away We've overcharged them since 2009 and the only solution is to find a way to spend it or to put it in our savings account I'm not okay with that People have the right to disagree with that But that's my stance and I don't think we should go forward with this document That's why I made the amendment to hold it at the level at 21 percent Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor at the risk of heaviness is a back and forth kind of conversation This will be your second time speaking last so Hopefully get the same amount of times as alderman van Akron gets yes But the a couple things, you know, it's fashionable to stand up and talk You know, we should be given the taxpayers back their money We should give the taxpayers back their money and believe me as I mentioned on tuesday There's probably no one at least very few at this council that pay more in city property taxes than me So I would like to get them back But I've also understand that we need to put money in infrastructure. We need to put money in equipment We need to put money in economic development all these things our taxpayers want so again I think uh, alderman donny who made it uh very eloquent when she talked about tommy thompson's tax refund back when he was governor And the following year he had to jack up taxes because there was nothing left Again, I don't want to put the city back in that type of a situation You know again, we can quote, you know, whether it's 1.2 million that we overcharge the taxpayers I look at as we're doing the responsible thing by putting dollars away for what will inevitably be a rainy day There will be a point in time and I will stand here and say there will be a point in time where we have to dip into these reserves And right now at 7.5 million moody says we're in good shape We don't put that money into the reserves and we have to pull it out whether it's for equipment Or whatever the case may be and we don't know what some of those things are yet We're gonna be put ourselves in a worse position and I cannot support that 25% seems like a reasonable number Again, I can't support 21 Holderman billinger Thank you, mayor. Um, I too support alderman ham and and I cannot go forward with uh dipping into this or limiting it at 21 The accusation that we are overcharging the taxpayers is ridiculous We budget we go through you went through you try you went through the budget you've gone through you've given us numbers It's a tedious process. It's not a perfect science to say that we can get to the penny or the nickel and You know be that dead on every single year not knowing what economic You know road mines we're gonna, you know come across during a year Is you know ridiculous so to say that we're overcharging the taxpayers and we need to give them their money back I think it's short-sighted. We all know that we have quite a bit of capital expenditures coming up in the next few years and we're searching for ways that we can pay for those and so I would applaud the Directors for all the department heads as well. They do a tremendous job Uh, you know with their budgets and being very frugal with the taxpayers monies And that's part of the reason also why we're not, you know, why we have a surplus So it's not we're overcharging. We're doing a good job of budgeting and we're doing a good job of Counting for all the funds that are spent throughout the year So I am going to support Alderman hamans motion. Thank you Alderman rasler Thank you, mr. Mayor You're not going to like me for this as I'm going to call on alderman haman again But I think it's okay for him to speak again if I if you're asking him a question It's okay for him to speak a third time I guess I just like the back to train up a little bit and maybe if if alderman haman for the for the people at home And the public can explain a little bit Of the 25 percent where it came from roughly what the Where it goes from whether we can go over the Whether we can go over the 25 percent whether we can't What happens if we get to the 25 percent? Can we go under? Can we take some of the money to pay off? You know just a little bit more of explanation for the people at home So they know a little bit more about this because I think a lot of people don't know what we're talking about Alderman haman Thank you. That's actually coming up in a later document But if please the mayor I'll just kind of go into that The idea was getting the idea of getting to 25 percent was a couple things one looking at future Needs of the community knowing that again more than likely keep in mind We haven't raised the levy since 2005 So I think we've been pretty good stewards of the taxpayer dollars, but knowing that if we can't raise Additional levy in the future for some of the things that we know are coming We're going to have to take that money out of reserves So being able to build that up and again not knowing what year that's going to be But being able to build that up a little bit. So if we do have to take it out We're not putting ourselves at a level where again moodies will look at us and say Yeah, time to go down. So that was part of the uh, at least the mindset of going to 25 percent To give us a little bit of a cushion for what we know, you know, whether it's 15 or 16 Don't know but give us a little bit of a cushion so it doesn't adversely affect us As far as once we hit the 25 percent Again, that document will be coming up. I think in a few but the idea was then Um To well first off for those that document indicated that any surplus as we had 50 percent would go to the general fund until we hit the 25 percent Then from there the remaining would go to economic development infrastructure motor vehicles and uh I thank you it so those four areas which I think all of us would agree Need some work Inside the city would be funded now that other 50 percent once we're at the 25 percent or once we're at the 25 percent Could be used for all of those items Or at the discretion of the council could go back or again be put away for what we know is going to be coming up in 2018 2019 2020 again looking out further than just 2013 in one year. So that was the idea behind it and just one follow up So on this document the one the 600,000 would actually not be correct It would be roughly if there's an estimate of 1.2 million. What's would be coming back Whatever whatever the increase would be where it says 600,000 would be whatever we have left over correct I guess I don't To because we're not to the 25 percent yet correct. So if I think what alderman van Kermann was indicating is that He's they're projecting a 1.2 million dollar Half of that would come into the general fund the other half would be used for okay the next document economic development I thought we had to get to 25 before we went to the 15 split. Okay. No, thanks Alderman born Thank you Mayor van Akron, I have a question for mr. Mr. Amorio if he could step up please Jim at the last public works meeting we were having And I'll tie this into what we're talking about in a second But at the last public works meeting during our director's report We were having a discussion about the motor vehicle fund And to the surprise of me and I think everybody else in the committee Mr. Bebel related to us that our indebtedness for the wisconsin retirement fund. I guess it's about $400,000 a year Has been coming out of the motor vehicle fund the last few years And I don't remember that ever being discussed at a public works meeting Unless it was a finance committee meeting that I missed and I didn't miss many when I was on finance And I discussed it with alderman hammond and he said it was before his time on the council or on the finance committee I got two questions How was it authorized that that $400,000 come out of the motor vehicle fund? And my second question if we're talking about surpluses From now on would it be appropriate rather than continuing to take that out of our motor vehicle fund? Which is in pitiful shape, especially with the purchases that we're facing In 14 wouldn't it be more appropriate if we do have a surplus to take that $400,000 out of surplus? I know we've got it designated for a lot of worthy causes But in my opinion, I don't think it should continue to come out of the motor vehicle fund Especially the condition that the motor vehicle fund is in thank you Yes, if I can address the Unfunded pension liability I wasn't here in 2008, but there was roughly a 9.6 million dollar Pension liability that was paid to the state a portion of that was borrowed From the or was taken from the motor vehicle fund the balance was borrowed as go debt So in order to repay the go debt each department That had an unfunded pension liability Got charged its fair share of that unfunded pension liability So you can go through most every department in the general fund as well as enterprise funds To see that unfunded pension liability as an expense I don't I with all due respect mr. Remodio and you weren't here I don't recall that ever being explained to us at all period Well, we've got we've got debt that we borrow Jim. We have to pay it back And in paying it back, it's paid through the levy So you could take all of the expense out of every department And charge it to the debt levy But at the end of the day the same thing happens We have less money to spend in the general fund and we have more money to pay In a debt service expense So right now it's allocated out through all departments throughout the city that had a liability Thank you Any other discussion? We'll vote on five four first the amendment would We'll vote on the amendment to go to the 21 percent on the amendment only Mm-hmm And I vote would be to change 25 Back to 21 percent correct on five four correct Okay, let me know to punch it Yes, call the room Three eyes 12 nose Motion fails on their regular resolution The motion's already made right To pass the two of them, but I think we separated it Yes, six three and five to pass six three and five four You want to explain six three quickly or you're okay with your last explanation? No, I'm okay. All right any other discussion on six three. We'll be passing five five four and six three Alderman vernacren Thank you. I think this will be my second and last time discussing the original document Again as I voiced I can't support this due to the fact that we are again increasing Our reserve balance another 1.2 million dollars even though we've already done it a 3.6 million dollars over the last two years We've all talked about the different things that are possibly coming up. We've talked about the trucks We've talked about the fire trucks. We've talked about a motor vehicle fund that's been depleted None of that is covered in this. We're simply just putting it away in our savings account If we want to address those problems, let's address those problems with some of this surplus money Why do we continue to put it in there if we want to address the problem with Of trucks in public works, let's address that and let's designate that money to go to that If we want to address the problems with the fire trucks that are coming up Let's purchase new fire trucks out of some of this money But that this document doesn't do that It doesn't do that it puts it away in that undesignated account and then we'll have to find a way to pay for that later And I just can't support that Alderman Hammond Thank you. I think it looks like a family a few type of things. Let's hit the buzzer go And you know alderman vernacren I understand but I think if you When I was talking with alderman reisler earlier the next resolution that's coming up addresses that It puts dollars responsibly into the general fund, but also puts dollars away for it Infrastructure motor vehicles and economic development again, which all four areas are solely needed in the community So it doesn't just say every dime we have in surplus has to go into the reserve fund What it does say in the next resolution that's coming up is that We're going to put some away for the rainy day until we hit the target And we're going to put others away into some of those areas that you had indicated we need to to deal with So I think it's a responsible way of growing our reserve funds and dealing with the needs of Our community. Thank you So we'll be voting on five for the resolution and the committee report six three Any further discussion all in favor? Clerk will call the roll 12 eyes three nose Motion carries Six four committee the whole Recommending the city's counterproposal to combine dispatch be forwarded to the county Alderman born Thank you, mayor van Akron. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Second been moved and seconded the Report of the committee of the whole be accepted and adopted. Is there any discussion? Seeing none clerk will call the roll 12 eyes and three extensions Motion carries Six five will be referred Six six report a committee from finance recommending an amended offer to purchase For meals on wheels to purchase property behind the new location of taylor drive Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt and approve the offer to purchase second been moving seconded to Accept and adopt the purchase of law the purchase of the land as recommended by the finance committee all the more Thank you, mayor van Akron. I'm going to be Upstanding on this vote I found out about a week ago that jerry van de kreek represents is on the board of directors of meals on wheels and jerry has been my CPA for a number of years So I don't think it would be appropriate that I vote on this one. So I will be abstaining I apologize for my earlier vote in committee I wasn't aware of that time that mr. Vander wheelie was associated with the organization Alderman hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I think I just It's okay. I'd like to spend just a quick second You'll see the word amended in there as many of you recall we had a offer to purchase for four thousand three hundred and forty dollars I recall And the amended purchase is a for ten thousand dollars. They'll be purchasing the land Behind the building for ten thousand dollars. Not four thousand three hundred and forty dollars. So I'd like to thank You know, uh, jerry van de kreek, um, who's the head of the organ the vice president of the organization John marmalese the president For their cooperation and and willingness to work with the city and putting this all together I think it'll be a great asset for the city and appreciate their efforts. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman hammond any other discussion clerk will call the roll 14 eyes one abstention motion carries Six seven a report of committee of the whole recommended filing resolution to repeal resolution 128 11 12 Relating to ratifying and implementing the special charge of the garbage and rest refuge disposal services alderman born Thank you again, mayor van akron. Uh, I move to accept and adopt and file the resolution second It's a move in second to accept and adopt and file the resolution. Is there any discussion? Hearing none committee Clerk will call the roll 13 eyes two nose motion carries 68 rc from public work recommending entering into a contract from contract management and oversight of the shabuagan river area concerns of AOC habitat restoration improvement project Alderman Thank you, mayor I moved to accept and adopt the rc and put the resolution upon his passage second It's been moving second seconded to accept And adopt the rc and pass the resolution. Is there any discussion? Seeing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Ocean carries 69 report of committee from finance recommending filing resolutions repealing Resolution number 128 relative to Ratifying and implementing a special charge that it's like deja vu here Of the garbage and refuge disposal services alderman hamlin Thank you, mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt and file the resolution second and move them seconded to accept and adopt and file the resolution Is there any discussion? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 12 eyes two nose Motion carries 610 by finance recommending and committing fund balances in accordance with gasp 54 and passing attached substitute resolution Along with 62 Alderman hamlin. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I moved to file 6.2 and accept and adopt and pass the resolution for 610 second It's been moved and seconded to accept the committee report and pass the substitute resolution under discussion Alderman hamlin. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to explain the substitute resolution and the original resolution as I mentioned It had a fixed percentage that went towards those four categories and community the whole we had talked and wanted to leave that 50 percent That's not going into reserves Before we hit the 25 cap up to the discretion of the councils at that point So instead of being 12 and a half percent each It would be the council's discretion. So that's the change in the substitute resolution Thank you. Any other discussion? Seeing none the clerk will call the roll 14 eyes one no motion carried Under other matters city clerk The city attorney. I'm sorry. Thank you 7.1 is an arrow by the city clerk Submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2013 and june 30 2014 I will quote a law and license That's it. Alderman hamlin Motion to adjourn second then move second to do adjourn all those in favor Cross one all the roll personal 15 eyes. We're adjourned. Thank you very much. Can you bring your little clickers back up here? Thanks for your support, John Monday august 6th meeting of the regular common council meeting will the clerk call the quote call read the quote of the day It's time to pull together for the greater good of the city Clerk will call the roll 15 present and alderman decker is excused. He called them excused Alderman hamlin times Can you lead us in the pledge of allegiance? I've heard a few times I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands One nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you you're welcome alderman hamlin Approval of the minutes Make a motion to approve second it's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting. Is there any Discussion or any changes? Very none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries Resignations City attorney Thank you, your honor. There's one resignation from jason shane advising that he needs to resign from the historic preservation slant housing rehabilitation committee Our motion to accept and file back. It's been moved and moved and seconded to accept and file the resignation Is there any discussion? Very none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries Public forum tonight city clerk All right first this evening. We have henry capitulo Henry if you could come forward, please Henry can I have your home address, please? Yes, that's uh 16 19 north 38 street Okay, you will have five minutes. Okay um I'm here representing the gateway neighborhood association And as the gateway neighborhood association president, I would like to thank Everyone that has really been involved in getting together. We are going to have the first Michigan avenue business corridor block party on august 25th. I'd like to thank Mayor terry van akron for his help Also director of public works dav bebel I'd also like to thank sergeant Dave anderson from the shaboygan police department And captain steve cob who were instrumental in Getting everything ready for the street closing Also the individual that has really been involved from gateway who has been Basically instrumental in spearheading this is steve benes. He's the Owner of the magic car wash on tenth and neary Uh, I'd like to thank steve without his help. We never would have gotten this off the ground I'd also like to thank the sponsors Which uh, we have 30 of them can't list them all but the main ones are magic car wash Intune chiropractic care community bank epicurean lounge rollo sign Those are just some of the ones that uh are Sponsoring the gateway neighborhood association Michigan avenue business corridor block party Um, I hope I didn't leave. Oh, also. I'd like to thank Dave on and grain poly from the three sheeps brewery for Helping us and giving us a good price for the beer that will be served there. So That's the new micro brewery that's over at the hops haven building so We'd like everybody from the council if they can make it august 25th It's going to be from four o'clock to 10 o'clock We also would like to invite everybody out in the community to come here and support The businesses on michigan avenue, and we hope that we can do this again Next year and to keep going on and promoting this whole area, which is the business corridor also um I'd also like to thank uh chief demigowski for his encouragement of all the uh police officers that are the gateway neighborhood association officers that we have Um, didn't have a chance to thank him. We had our neighborhood cleanup where we we basically did Cleanup we filled three dumpsters full of Debris also we took seven dump trucks of electronic Read to recycle The officers that were there were also Sergeant david anderson Officer ryan schmitt officer matthew fetal officer andu kingler And also like to thank the police department For or the fire department for their volunteers that they had out that day also Really didn't get a chance to meet any of them because I was busy With the dumpsters and and getting them all together and also i'd like to thank the chief for encouraging All of their officers that are in the gateway neighborhood to do more community policing and You would not believe the difference that this is made they have come to our Gateway neighborhood board meetings Um And without their help we never would have been able to do the cleanup In fact three of the officers that were very instrumental in going out and handing out the flyers for the cleanup They did a a drop in all of the whole area our boundaries are from 9th street To superior avenue to our anterio to 14th street that whole area is the gateway neighborhood association and In the future we definitely are going to be doing more things in that area We'd like to promote not only the businesses, but also we're looking at developing. There's a Housing project that has been Under under development with chad from city development from habitat for humanity And various other landlords in that area That's something that at a later date. We also will probably come and let you know about Again, I would like to thank everybody if I Didn't pronounce your name right. I'm sorry, but I'm terrible with names And again, I'd like to thank everybody usually we thank everybody after the the the festival, but it was just Phenomenal all the people that have really pulled together to get this and to move and also all the businesses that are in The michigan avenue. They have been Superb in in working with us on getting this together And we hope that it's going to be something that is going to be memorable And will be something that everybody it's going to be for you can bring your family your kids There will be some things there for for kids early on Excuse me. Henry would I would you like your extra minutes? Sure. So we'd like to encourage anyone that Is hearing this to definitely come down We'd like to promote the area and I know sometimes You know this area gets kind of like negative publicity because of How many of the bars we've got? But you know what their business is too and they pay taxes to the city They support all the services that are there. So we definitely want to promote that I think that we can do it in a good way that'll be productive And we want to promote this. Thank you very much. Thank you, Henry Thank you, Henry for all the work you you've done on this project And this evening we have Dwight Daryl Dwight if you could come up, please Dwight if I can get your home address N3304 Tipperary Road and Cascade our office address is 822 Niagara Avenue here in Chicago And you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you. I'm representing arrow toying tonight nick bowlenbacher and Chad josey on the Seat over there. They are the principles of the company the owners I want to talk for a moment about the toying contract that I understand may be taken up for consideration tonight So I understand it back. Excuse me. Can you move your mic up just sure? Thank you. Sorry Back in march The current contract with depotowing came up for either review or was expiring under its own terms at that time And the committee decided that instead of extending that contract for one year Which would have been allowable under the contract that instead they would put things out for lowest bid The lowest bid process I think is the most important process that any municipality can follow Because the lowest bid process should assure the citizens of this community The best value for the least amount of dollars It should also assure that petty politics won't enter into the process Of city contracts being given to local businesses. That's why we have the lowest bid process The toying contract was put out for bid Twice arrow toying came in with the lowest bid That lowest bid was accepted each time by the local the committee on safety And uh, what is it called safety and public protection Thank you Two occasions each occasions there were challenges to the bid the first time there's a challenge to some wording The bid contract and documents. I understand that that challenge was reviewed The bid was let out again and again arrow toying was the lowest bidder After that time arrow has been assailed by the other vendors To the process. I hope you have received the letter that arrow sent out That kind of goes through some of those points One of the points is that they're not a local business This community this city does not have a bi-local ordinance Even if it did, I think it would be relevant to note that while arrow is located out in sheboygan falls Its employees who run these trucks at night and on the weekends are all residents of the city So I'm not sure why that's being brought up as a reason to go with not the lowest bid But the second lowest bidder the third lowest bid something other than The what the bid documents called for and what the successful bidder Applied for and was initially awarded The other items in the in the letter that was sent out indicate a little bit about arrow's Determination on the job the fact that they were the single toying company in the city that was out in the february of 2011 Blizzard when the other toying company stayed home That fact that arrow toying has received the recommendation of the city police department and of the purchasing agent I'd like you to think a little bit as long as you can in the time that you have About preserving the integrity of the low bid process This community I think can only afford to become one where we let out bids And you have vendors who follow strictly the requirements of the bid documents Come in with the lowest bid only to find out that if you stand up in the public form and slander the other vendor That somehow you're going to overcome the low bid process I don't think that's fair and I don't think that's the kind of community you want to develop here. Thank you Thank you, Dwight. Thank you Under mayor's announcements want to remind everybody tomorrow night. There is a walk against crime at join us at faultland park Uh 6 30 p.m There'll be some music entertainment refreshments and we'll walk through the neighborhoods Along with the police student sheriffs department tomorrow evening 6 p.m at faultland park Consent agenda allman hamlin Thank you, mr. Mayor Motion to accept on file all ro's accept and adopt all rc's and pass all resolutions and substitute resolutions second It's been moving seconded to pass all ro's pass all rc's All substitutes put upon passes all substitute resolutions and resolutions be 2 1 through 220 Is there any discussion? There are none the clerk will call the roll 14 eyes 1 no Motion carries 3 1 through 3 3 will be referred 4 1 an hour old from the city clerk's meeting a change in premise for an event at blue harbor resort License number 2805 alderman anon Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that we sit first off can we suspend the rules? It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules Is there any discussion hearing on clerk will call the roll on suspending the rules Motion carries that spending the rules on the ro itself. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I uh move the grant to change Second been moving seconded to grant the change of the premise under discussion Is there any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried six 4 2 we will hold for 6 1 4 through 4 3 through 4 9 will be referred Alderman versi Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to pull document 4 8 forward please Well, what did you say? Pull it forward We will discussion on 4 8 Alderman versi Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd just like to move to file it second second Then move and seconded to file the ro 4 8 Alderman Thank you, mr. Van Akron. I just want to make a couple comments before And read a short statement before the council votes on this I'd like to thank my constituents in district 8 And constituents from all over the city of shabuagan on voicing their support For me over the last week or so I also had a chance encounter last thursday as I was out running some errands On michigan avenue I had a chance encounter with one of the police and fire commissioners I had a very cordial conversation with him And he said alderman boran I just want to let you know that I fully support what you're doing on the common council Now for my short statement And this is In follow-up to the email that I sent out to the four individuals the mayor chief damagowski chief herman and attorney mcclean Regarding that email. I realize now That any Seemingly harmless act of betting on city outcomes Even for the benefit of charity Was inappropriate on my part. Thank you. Alderman boran any other discussion Hearing none The motion is to file the clerk will call the roll 11 eyes three nose one abstention Motion carries resolutions Uh Rest of those things will be referred as previously said resolutions I'm sorry on 4.9. Can we change that from committee of the whole to refer to public works? Or part nine. We are going to change it from committee of the whole to public works Resolutions 5 1 resolution by alderman board authorizing appropriate city officials to enter into a contract for the procurement of Thermal drying equipment at the wastewater treatment plant alderman boran Thank you, mayor van Akron. I move to suspend the rules second Then move the second to suspend the suspender rules any discussion on suspension Clerk will call the roll on suspension only are we on 5 1? Yes 15 eyes motion carries the suspender rules alderman boran on the resolution on the resolution then mayor I would make a resolution to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage Second it's been moved the second to put the resolution upon its passage Is there any discussion on the resolution? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried 5 2 a resolution by alderman heighteman authorizing entering into contract for crocker reconstruction project with patched check Construction, I hope I didn't butcher that too bad Alderman heighteman. Thank you mayor for butchering that no I need a motion to suspend the rules Second it's been moved the second it's a suspender rules Is there any discussion on suspension of the rules? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll Motion carries Alderman heighteman on the resolution. Okay put the resolution upon its passage second It's been moved in second at the resolution be put upon its passion under discussion alderman heighteman under discussion This project was bit it out and the the contractor once they get started on august 13th That's why that's why we had to suspend the rules. It should take about eight weeks So it should be done and this is for the crocker avenue area Thank you alderman heighteman any other discussion Seeing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried by three rule resolution from alderman raceler authorizing 90 a day extension for department head Resident three requirements alderman raceler. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I'd move to suspend the rules as well Second It's been moved and seconded to suspend the rules Is there any discussion on suspension? Clerk will call the roll on the suspending the rules 15 eyes Motion carries On the resolution alderman raceler. Thank you. Mr. Mayor moves at the resolution resolution be put upon its passage Second It's been moved and seconded that the resolution be put upon its passion Is there any discussion on the resolution alderman versi? Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Just actually kind of as a transparency to everybody in tv land and around just a brief explanation on why we're doing this if you could Sure, uh, alderman raceler. Thank you. Director of people has not uh to last of my knowledge Just told us how us yet due to the economical conditions and we're going to grant them a Another 90 day extension Does that answer your question? Thank you any other discussion Seeing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carry Resolution by alderman hammond amending Resolution number two three four zero three zero four establishing policy for applying Undesignated fund balances alderman Hammond thank you, mr. Mayor If it's okay, I'd like to hold this one and take it with six three cents. They're complimentary documents All right, we will hold this over for document six three Five five through five seven lie over Five eight will be referred to public works Six one from public protection and safety and ending entering into a formal one-year extension of the Current towing agreement with depot towing Alderman vernacren Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would first make a motion to suspend the rules second Then move and second to suspend the rules. Is there any discussion about suspending the rules? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll on suspension 15 eyes ocean carries Alderman vernacren on the resolution itself on the document I would ask mr. Mayor that the Council accept and adopt the report of committee and the Resolution be put upon its passage second It's been moved and seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted Is there any and passed resolution? Is there any discussion on the committee report? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll Ten eyes four nos one abstention motion carries Six two will hold for six ten six three by finance Recommending drafting a document amending resolution Two three four all three to replace the 18 percent to 25 Undesignated fund along with five four the resolution that we were holding at this time alderman ham and thank you Mr. Mayor I move to accept and adopt number six point three and Put upon this passage five point four second It's been moved and seconded to put upon its passage five point four and accept the committee report on Six three is there any discussion? Alderman van Ackler Thank you, mr. Mayor. I know we had a long discussion about this at the committee of the whole meeting I believe last week tuesday. I think there was some miscommunications and misunderstanding about some of the numbers When I went back and took another look That is the documents that you all I believe have a copy of on your desk. I provided that for you Just an explanation of the documents the first page is a summary of the next two pages The next two pages are documents that I copied out of the last two audits that the city has received Again at the last committee the whole meeting we did have a lengthy discussion In reference to the undesignated fund balance and where that has come from and where we would like to see that continue to go If you follow along on the summary page The unassigned balance or the undesignated fund balance in 2009 without the working capital Was approximately 3.8 million dollars In 2010 that increased by 1.8 million dollars to 5.6 million dollars And if you look at the fund balance in 2011 has increased again by 1.8 million dollars to 7.5 million dollars With these documents that brings that The percentage without the working capital to the current level of 21 percent The document that we're going to be voting on here shortly would ask to increase that to 25 percent which would be another increase of approximately 1.2 million dollars And I guess that's what I wanted to make clear to everybody that's going to be voting on this since 2009 the city council has put away Approximately 3.6 million dollars of taxpayer money into this unreserved account We've all talked about all the different projects we have all the different things coming up Again, we've put away 3.6 million dollars into that account if we pass this document will be in the area of 4.8 million dollars into this account. I'm not okay with that I'm not okay with continuing the trend of taking the taxpayers money and putting in our savings account That's what this document does So with that being said I would ask or make a motion to amend the current document rather than the 25 percent That is listed to leave it at the current level of 21 percent now to increase it another 1.2 million dollars There's a motion on the floors. There's a second I'll second There's a second we're talking about 5.4 now the actual resolution changing it from The undesignated balance from 25 percent to 21 percent under discussion alderman hamlin Thank you, mr. Mayor and you know, I I appreciate the homework that All the person van Akron did Unfortunately, we had to put some of those dollars back into the general fund because 4.7 of it was depleted over The middle portion of the 2000s to pay for unfunded pension liabilities and various other things It's also been very clear from not only moodies, but our bond Our bond underwriters that any decreases in general funds Are going to be looked at very unfavorably when we go out for bonding in 2014 Now thinking thinking ahead a little bit like you know, I like to do more than 2013 We have roughly four million dollars of future vehicles a 1.8 million dollar deficit that we're facing in 2015 It's assuming we keep the garbage fee And not have to deal with 2014 We let the general fund continue to deplete. We're going to be right back where we were in 20 2006 27 2007 and 2008 and I'm not willing to take the community back to that point So I can't support going to 21 percent 25 percent I just want to explain to everybody when we look at this general fund reserves And I thank you for putting that spreadsheet together because it actually kind of helps my point The only point the only money that we have that is actually unrestricted and free Is that 7.5 million? Everything else is either working capital inventory prior year's payments or Receivables yes, believe it or not. They include in our general fund reserves Receivables that we haven't received and may not receive for some time now For example loans we make the tiff districts or the various other things so This money is the only Undesignated money we have and I think 25 percent is a great number Because it gives us enough flexibility that if we have to dip into it It doesn't put us be below where we're at currently And and we all know looking at it unless we can raise taxes We're gonna have to dip into it. So I can't support this Looking at what's coming up in 2014 2015 and beyond. Thank you Alderman borne I I have nothing Alderman vernacorn not alderman hammond answered my questions. Thank you Alderman vernacorn Thank you, mr. Mayor. Just to speak on the amendment I do agree with alderman hammond that I'm not in favor of depleting the unreserved fund I my motion would hold it at the 21 percent that we've built that up to we've again We've gone from 9 percent to 21 percent over the last three years. My motion would hold it at that level I'm not in favor of going down or or decreasing that in any way. I think it's built up He listed the reasons why it was built up over the last several years I'm just not in favor of continuing that trend of holding the people's money in our savings account As he indicated there are things that are coming up There are capital expenditures that I think would be much better resources for this money So why would we put it in our account if those things are coming up? That's it I guess it doesn't make sense to me to hold it in our savings account when we have Different areas that everyone has agreed are possibly coming up that we're gonna have to pay for Let's start paying for that rather than putting away half a million dollars this year Which is the projected amount towards this reserve fund I'm just not in favor of continually building this fund. Like I said 21 percent I think is a reasonable level when you use these states Accounting balanced how they account it We're at 33 percent when you look at our comparables, which we did on tuesday We were the highest one that was given. So I think it's a reasonable amount where we're at I'm not in favor of decreasing that I'm not in favor of seeing that go lower But I am in favor of holding it at that level It's an increase from 18 percent which the municipal code indicates now up to 21 percent We've put away 3.6 million dollars of the taxpayers money into this account over the last three years I don't I don't agree with continually just putting this money away Thank you all the men versey Hey, mr. Mayor Alderman Hammond hit it on the head, but he didn't give you the correct or not I shouldn't say correct number, but add it to your to your numbers on this is great spreadsheet here But you forgot the part that we're actually still almost 3 million negative for what we borrowed Even with these numbers that we increased back in 05 0607 and 08 that put us in a hole Putting this there is trying to make us right. So we're not taking more money We're trying to replenish your savings account that you already went in a hole for that's what this is doing This is bringing us back to zero and we're still not there We're almost 3 million dollars still in the negative on that from borrowing from those years Just so you put that in perspective with these numbers. Thank you Alderman Carlson Thank you mayor My question to you alderman van Akron is uh, what do you propose we do it to surplus from this year? Are you going to put it towards roads? Are you going to try to fulfill mayor van Akron's pledge to get rid of the garbage fee? Is that a question to the alderman? Yes, it was Alderman van Akron Again the surplus the projected surplus that'll come up will be at the discretion of this council We'll have to decide where that money goes everyone will have their vote on the where to spend that money Whether it's roads whether it's fire trucks whether it's to give it back to the to the people I stood here pretty adamantly last week tuesday and indicated I think we should find a way to give the people their money back. We've overcharged them 3.6 million dollars We're going to overcharge them approximately 1.2 million dollars this year And there was no avenue in the documents that are that we're talking about right now to give that people that money back to the people again We're just putting this money away. We've overcharged them since 2009 and the only solution is to find a way to spend it Or to put it in our savings account. I'm not okay with that People have the right to disagree with that, but that's my stance and I don't think we should go forward with this document That's why I made the amendment to hold it at the level at 21 percent Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mary at the risk of having this is a back-and-forth kind of conversation This will be your second time speaking last so Hopefully get the same amount of time since alderman van Akron gets yes But the a couple things, you know, it's fashionable to stand up and tout You know, we should be given the taxpayers back their money We should give the taxpayers back their money and believe me as I mentioned on Tuesday There's probably no one at least very few at this council that pay more in city property taxes than me So I would like to get them back But I've also understand that we need to put money in infrastructure We need to put money in equipment We need to put money in economic development all these things our taxpayers want so again I think alderman donnie who made it Very eloquent when she talked about tommy tomson's tax refund back when he was governor and the following year He had to jack up taxes because there was nothing left Again, I don't want to put the city back in that type of a situation You know again, we can quote, you know, whether it's at 1.2 million that we overcharge the taxpayers I look at as we're doing the responsible thing by putting dollars away for what will inevitably be a rainy day There will be a point in time and I will stand here and say there will be a point in time where we have to dip into these reserves And right now at 7.5 million moody says we're in good shape We don't put that money into the reserves and we have to pull it out whether it's for equipment Or whatever the case may be and we don't know what some of those things are yet We're going to be put ourselves in a worse position and I cannot support that 25 seems like a reasonable number Again, I can't support 21 Alderman billinger Thank you, mayor. Um, I too support alderman hammond and I cannot go forward with Uh dipping into this or limiting it at 21 percent The accusation that we are overcharging the taxpayers is ridiculous.  It's not a perfect science to say that we can get to the penny or the nickel And uh, you know be that dead on every single year not knowing what economic You know road mines we're going to you know come across during a year Is you know ridiculous so to say that we're overcharging the taxpayers and we need to give them their money back I think it's shortsighted. We all know that we have quite a bit of capital expenditures coming up in the next few years And we're searching for ways that we can pay for those and so I would applaud the Directors for all the all the department heads as well. They do a tremendous job You know with their budgets and being very frugal with the taxpayers monies And that's part of the reason also why we're not, you know, why we have a surplus So it's not we're overcharging. We're doing a good job of budgeting And we're doing a good job of accounting for all the funds that are spent throughout the year So I am going to support Alderman Hammond's motion. Thank you Alderman raceler Thank you, mr. Mayor You're not going to like me for this as I'm going to call on alderman hammond again But I think it's okay for him to speak again if I if you're asking him a question It's okay for him to speak a third time I guess I just like the back to train up a little bit and maybe if if alderman hammond for the for the people at home And the public can explain a little bit Of the 25 percent where it came from roughly What the Where it goes from whether we can go over the Whether we can go over the 25 percent whether we can't What happens if we get to the 25 percent? Can we go under? Can we take some of the money to pay off? You know just a little bit more of explanation for the people at home So they know a little bit more about this because I think a lot of people don't know what we're talking about Alderman hammond Thank you That's actually coming up in a later document But if uh, please the mayor I'll just kind of go into that The idea was getting the idea of getting to 25 percent was a couple things one looking at future Needs of the community knowing that again more than likely keep in mind. We haven't raised the levy since 2005 So I think we've been pretty good stewards of the taxpayer dollars, but knowing that if we can't raise Additional levy in the future for some of the things that we know are coming We're going to have to take that money out of reserves So being able to build that up and again not knowing what year that's going to be But you know to build that up a little bit. So if we do have to take it out We're not putting ourselves at a level where again moodies will look at us and say Yeah, time to go down. So that was part of the uh, at least the mindset of Going to 25 to give us a little bit of a cushion for what we know Again, whether it's 15 or 16 don't know but give us a little bit of a cushion So it doesn't adversely affect us as far as once we hit the 25 percent Again, that document will be coming up. I think in a few but the idea was then To well first off for those that document indicated that any surplus as we had 50 would go to the general fund until we hit the 25 percent then from there the remaining would go to economic development infrastructure motor vehicles and I thank you it so those four areas which I think all of us would agree Need some work Inside the city would be funded now that other 50 once we're at the 25 percent or once we're at the 25 percent Could be used for all of those items Or at the discretion of the council could go back or again be put away for what we know is going to be coming up in 2018 2019 2020 again looking out further than just 2013 in one year. So that was the idea behind it and just one follow-up So on this document the one the 600,000 would actually not be correct It would be roughly if there's an estimate of 1.2 million. What's would be coming back Whatever whatever the increase would be where it says 600,000 would be whatever we have left over correct I guess I don't To because we're not to the 25 percent yet correct. So if I think what alderman van Kermann was indicating is that He's they're projecting a 1.2 million dollar Half of that would come into the general fund the other half would be used for Next document economic development. I thought we had to get to 25 before we went to the 50 percent split. Okay. No, thanks Alderman born Thank you Mayor van Akron, I have a question for mr. Mr. Amorio if he could step up, please Jim at the last public works meeting we were having And I'll tie this into what we're talking about in a second But at the last public works meeting during our director's report We were having a discussion about the motor vehicle fund And to the surprise of me and I think everybody else on the committee Mr. Bebel related to us that our indebtedness for the wisconsin retirement fund. I guess it's about $400,000 a year Has been coming out of the motor vehicle fund the last few years And I don't remember that ever being discussed at a public works meeting Unless it was a finance committee meeting that I missed and I didn't miss many when I was on finance And I discussed it with alderman hamond and he said it was before his time on the council or on the finance committee I got two questions How was it authorized that that $400,000 come out of the motor vehicle fund? And my second question if we're talking about surpluses From now on would it be appropriate rather than continuing to take that out of our motor vehicle fund? Which is in pitiful shape, especially with the purchases that we're facing In 14 wouldn't it be more appropriate that if we do have a surplus to take that $400,000 out of surplus? I know we've got it designated for a lot of worthy causes But in my opinion, I don't think it should continue to come out of the motor vehicle fund Especially the condition that the motor vehicle fund is in thank you Yes, if I can address the unfunded pension liability I wasn't here in 2008, but there was roughly a 9.6 million dollar Pension liability that was paid to the state a portion of that was borrowed From the it was taken from the motor vehicle fund the balance was borrowed as go debt So in order to repay the go debt each department That had an unfunded pension liability Got charged its fair share of that unfunded pension liability So you can go through most every department in the general fund as well as enterprise funds To see that unfunded pension liability as an expense I don't I uh with all due respect mr. Remodio and you weren't here I don't recall that ever being explained to us at all period Well, we've got we've got debt that we borrow Jim. We have to pay it back And in paying it back, uh, it's paid through the levy So you could take all of the expense out of every department And charge it to the debt levy But at the end of the day the same thing happens We have less money to spend in the general fund and we have more money to pay In a debt service expense So right now it's allocated out through all departments throughout the city That had a liability Thank you Any other discussion We'll vote on five four first the amendment would We'll vote on the amendment to go to the 21 percent on the amendment only Uh-huh and I vote would be to change 25 Back to 21 percent correct on five four correct Okay, let me know to punch it Yes, call the room Three eyes 12 nos Motion fails on their regular resolution The motion's already made right To pass the two of them, but I think we separated it six three and five four to pass six three And five four you want to explain six three quickly or you're okay with your last explanation No, I I'm okay. All right any other discussion on six three. We'll be passing five five four and six three Alderman vernacren Thank you. I think this will be my second and last time discussing the original document Again as I voiced I can't support this due to the fact that we are again increasing Our reserve balance another 1.2 million dollars even though we've already done it a 3.6 million dollars over the last two years We've all talked about the different things that are possibly coming up. We've talked about the trucks We've talked about the fire trucks. We've talked about a motor vehicle fund that's been depleted None of that is covered in this. We're simply just putting it away in our savings account If we want to address those problems, let's address those problems with some of this surplus money Why do we continue to put it in there if we want to address the problem with Of trucks and public works, let's address that and let's designate that money to go to that If we want to address the problems with the fire trucks that are coming up Let's purchase new fire trucks out of some of this money. But that this document doesn't do that It doesn't do that It puts it away in that undesignated account and then we'll have to find a way to pay for that later and I just can't support that Alderman Hammond Thank you. I think it looks like a family a few type of things has hit the buzzer go Um, and you know alderman vernacren. I understand but I think if you uh when I was talking with alderman reisler earlier The next resolution that's coming up addresses that it puts dollars responsibly into the general fund But also puts dollars away for it Um infrastructure motor vehicles and economic development again, which all four areas are solely needed in the community So, um, it doesn't just say every dime we have in surplus has to go into the reserve fund What it does say in the next resolution that's coming up is that we're going to put some Away for the rainy day until we hit the target And we're going to put others away into some of those areas that you had indicated we need to to deal with So I think it's a responsible way of growing our reserve funds and dealing with the needs of Our community. Thank you So we'll be voting on five for the resolution and the committee report six three Any further discussion all in favor? clerk will call the roll 12 eyes three nos Motion carries Six four committee of the whole Recommending the city's counter proposal to combine dispatch be forwarded to the county Alderman born Thank you, mayor van Akron. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second been moved and seconded They reported the committee of the whole be accepted and adopted. Is there any discussion? Seeing none clerk will call the roll 12 eyes and three abstentions Motion carries Six five will be referred Six six reported committee from finance recommending an amended offer to purchase For meals on wheels to purchase property behind the new location of taylor drive Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt and approve the offer to purchase second been moving seconded to Accept and adopt The purchase of law the purchase of the land as recommended by the finance committee. I'll move on Thank you, mayor van Akron. I'm going to be abstaining On this vote. I found out about a week ago that jerry van the creek represents is on the board of directors of meals on wheels and jerry has been my CPA for a number of years So I don't think it would be appropriate that I vote on this one So I will be abstaining. I apologize from our earlier vote in committee I wasn't aware of that time that mr Vander wheelie was associated with the organization Alderman hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I think I just if it's okay.  We had a offer to purchase for four thousand three hundred and forty dollars I recall and the amended purchases a For ten thousand dollars that they'll be purchasing the land behind the building for ten thousand dollars Not four thousand three hundred and forty dollars. So I'd like to thank You know jerry van the creek who's the head of the organ or the vice president of the organization John marmalese the president For their cooperation and and willingness to work with the city and putting this all together I think it'll be a great asset for the city and appreciate their efforts. Thank you Thank you. Alderman hammond. Any other discussion? Clerk will call the roll 14 eyes one abstention motion carries Six seven a report of committee of the whole recommended filing resolution to repeal resolution 128 11 12 relating to ratifying and implementing the special charge of the garbage and Refuge disposal services alderman borne Thank you again, mayor van Akron. I move to accept and adopt and file the resolution second It's a move in second to accept and adopt and file the resolution. Is there any discussion? Hearing none committee the clerk will call the roll 13 eyes two nos motion carries Six eight rc from public works recommending entering into a contract for contract management and oversight of the shabuigan river area concerns of AOC habitat restoration improvement project Alderman heighten Thank you, mayor I moved to accept and adopt the rc and put the resolution up on his passage second. It's been moving second seconded to accept And adopt the rc and pass the resolution. Is there any discussion? Seeing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries 69 the report of committee from finance recommending filing resolutions repealing Resolution number 128 relative to Ratifying and implementing a special charge that it's like the issue of Lou here Of the garbage and refuge disposal services alderman hamlin Thank you, mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt and file the resolution second and move them seconded to accept and adopt and file the resolution Is there any discussion? Three none the clerk will call the roll 12 eyes two nos motion carries 610 by finance recommending and committing fund balances in accordance with gasp 54 and passing Attached substitute resolution Along with 6 2 Alderman hamlin. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I uh moved to file 6.2 and Accept and adopt and pass the resolution for 6 10 second It's been moved and seconded to accept the committee report and pass the substitute resolution under discussion All in the hamlin Thank you, mr. Mayor I just want to explain the substitute resolution and the original resolution as I mentioned It had a fixed percentage that went towards those four categories and community the whole we had talked and wanted to leave that 50 percent That's not going into reserves Before we hit the 25 cap up to the discretion of the councils at that point So instead of being 12 and a half percent each It would be the council's discretion. So that's the change in the substitute resolution Thank you. Any other discussion See none the clerk will call the roll 14 eyes one no ocean carry Under other matters city clerk The city attorney, sorry Thank you 7.1's an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2013 and june 30 2014 I will quote a law and license That's it. All in the hamlin motion to adjourn second been moved seconded to adjourn all those in favor Cross one all the rule 15 eyes, thank you very much. Can you bring your little clickers back up here?