Is there any additions or I have none for closed session None, okay, and there's no public comment So let's go. I got Okay, should we go in the other room To stop providing any and all further defense of former director terry of the era in correct in connection with the case of Holloway versus slvwd Vieira and others the board finds that an actual and specific Conflict of interest has arisen Because plaintiff Holloway recently filed a Motion for summary judgment seeking over $800,000 for the district at mr. Vieira's expense. I Want to welcome you all to the meeting really happy to see so many of you and We're Going to make a change in the agenda. You want to say what that is? Okay, so let's have roll call Director calls here director Swan Director Bruce here President Henry here Director Smallman Okay So any additions or deletions or kind of change in The open session agenda. Yes Chair Henry I request that we move item 11d to send them are to read it around our agency's joint power Authority guiding principles Agency roles and responsibilities presentation by Dave set this to the beginning of the meeting Presentation he has approximately a one-hour presentation for the board. Okay All right Taking no objections to that mr. Seppos Yes, you may I'd just like to quickly give a little background about Dave Is currently the facilitator for the Santa margarita groundwater agency is Background is he has 30 years of mediating water supply and groundwater sustainable Efforts across the state. He's currently working with eight different sustainability agencies across the state and And he was integral in the in the development of the new Sustainable groundwater management which passed in the state of California Recently and so with that Is he being moved to above? Yes. Yes Thank you Everybody See your pension should better be on the screen certainly better than me anyway, I Want to say hi to those of you that were able to make the Workshop on Saturday. I see a couple of familiar faces. I'm sorry. I didn't get all these names. I'm from the south really so I say y'all They'll come out so So This is a Presentation, I'm sorry. We're seeing So this is a presentation that I've done in a Camera, do you want me to like stay fairly well put like not being around? You're fine. Okay, I Want to show the lowest it's got space So this is a presentation that I've done a little bit of on Here tonight, but I've done this in a number of basins as Jen indicated I'm currently working with eight different groundwater basins around the state of California. I've worked with or overseen my staff working on 35 different PSA's and basins around the state so quite literally from San Diego County to Siski County from Owens Valley to the Coast so we've pre-geographed these great we've been working a lot of different basins different scales and this is a Version of a presentation that I've given in a number of places in it and it seems to have been very well received and pretty informative because What it goes through is really laying out what these agencies these new groundwater agencies are vested with and one of the sort of underlying things that I want to really stress from the get-go is That with the advent of the sustainable groundwater management Act or Sigma as we call it The best analogy I can give and I'll talk to this a little bit is that it says if on a certain date, which was June 30 2017 It says if Hundreds literally hundreds of brand-new cities formed around the state and the reason I say that is because the powers that are Vested to these agencies statutorily And I'll get into what they what those towers are a little bit are sweeping and they're broad and these are regulating agencies These aren't organizations. They're not committees. They're not commissions. They're not clubs They're nothing these are regulating agencies formed by statute to regulate groundwater throughout the state of California There are 127 basins out of five so the state california is 515 ground or basins 127 of them were deemed as required to comply with Sigma within those basins at least one GSA or ground sustainability agency was going to form in each in many cases more than one formed So there are literally hundreds of these brand-new agencies that are going the exact same activities that the Santa Margarita Groundwater Agency is going through and many many many of them are joint powers authorities like that We've incumbent partnerships and memberships such as this water district. So you're not alone and This is to sort of guide you through or let you sort of get a sense of what these roles are So if you can change next time So I'm going to go through some general introduction. I'm going to talk about some definitions You're a little with a background on the presentation where the information comes from and they really dive into the roles of responsibilities And after this I'm going to transition into the work that I've been doing With the San Margarita Groundwater Agency in there and helping them to develop what we call the guiding principles Which they've recently adopted in December. So next slide, please So this may be sort of old school for some of y'all but for not I'm just going to give some of the high points So this is statutory. This is where the statute comes from Okay, the ground the San Margarita Ground Management Act Sigma said that any local agency or combination of agencies Overlining groundwater basin May decide to become a GSA ground water system energy for that basin A local agency meant It could be a local public agency that had water supply and or water management and or land use responsibilities so that meant That water districts clearly it meant that Because counties have land use authorities it meant that cities because cities have land use authorities Most counties don't have water purveyors responsibility. Some do but by and large most counties don't But a lot of cities do and they are or they also work in partnership And a little aster down there is just so you know county cities water agencies. We didn't be on that There are community service districts or PUD is planning unit plan unit developments If they've got water management or water supply or something in their mission, they were allowed to become a local agency as a sigma agency a gsa Rcd's right resource conservation districts were allowed to become GSA if they want Next slide So a couple of things one or more gsa had to be formed per basin or sub basin and there Both those terms were used because in some places particularly over in the central valley Where you have very very large what are called alluvial conditions, you know where the where the alluvial deposits have been And you've got these really sort of interspaced groundwater aquifer and aquifer conditions there Those were too large to manage when you couldn't have legitimately or or feasibly manage an entire sacramento basin Single agency or a sandwall came so they broke them up into sub basin in some places That's not the case here, but it is in some The gsa had to be formed by a single eligible agency or by legal agreement between two more eligible agencies And it had to be a legal agreement not just like a handshake not idea We think it's okay not a memo. We had to be a memorandum agreement. It had to be some form of legal agreement Uh and then in places like here for instance where you have a water district that represents a certain pop Certain segment of populace, but then you have the county. So i see john rick was here So you've got county unincorporated areas. We call it is under sigma the white spaces and so Within any particular basin or most basins you had different combinations of agencies a water district and irrigation district csd a city But then you still had other land that wasn't managed by anybody It was a lot of private pumpers people had individual wells all of those lands fell under the auspices of the county Unless the county Voided its responsibility and basically said we will not it was called a negative declaration And they would have negatively declared that they would not manage that ground water And then somebody else would have to step in and do that's not the case here But i'm just sort of giving you background. That's how counties are practically involved next slide, please So some milestones and implications Two or more gsa's must prepare a coordination agreement a legal agreement between them So in places where that's not applicable here because their partnership is formed or the joint powers authority Formed here in this basin under public code 6500, which is the exercise the joint exercise of powers act That's what it's called. That's what jpa's are formed under and so That's what you have here had you not and had you opted to have been an independent agency a couple of variables That would have come into play is that two agencies would have to form a legal coordination agreement describing Exactly how they were going to work together and they would be expected to work together the statute actually says The gsa's all had to be formed as i said earlier by june 30 2017 Groundwater sustainability plans, which is the big thing that these agencies are all doing have to be in this case prepared by january 31st 2022 If this were a critically overdrafted basin like several basins in the sack in the central valley are they have to be done by 2020 So they have a two-year Expedited timeline and that's really tough because those are some of the most critically hit basins relative to Here the relative to there you guys are are actually in really really good shape Some of those places really really have tough situations um Getting back to the coordination agreement for a minute and the and the gsp's A couple of other things that are regulatory required And and just so you know should you want to do a little light reading about sigba There's the statute itself, which is pretty lengthy and then there's the regulations There was emergency regs the statute was written and then there was a whole year that went by I actually worked on the development of those regs as well And then the regs really are like 48 or 50 pages and those sort of About What each agency has to do and how the gsp is ground sustainability plans are going to be done A couple of key variables that you need to know Again just for background. It's not applicable here because you have a single agency In places where that's not the case It is a mandate that all agencies all gsa is ground sustainability agencies have to use single data sets So there are places in the state where agencies four or five or six agencies Just couldn't reconcile their differences between each other and they all wanted to go it alone And they all had their own independent consultants who worked for them They all have to find a way to consolidate and bring all their data together They literally have to work on the single data sets if they were to submit gsps to the state of california And they were using different sets of data the state will reject it They have to create these coordination agreements that show exactly how they're going to work together now That doesn't mean how they're going to share resources together water resources together future Just how they're going to integrate and problem solve together because the fear was if you have multiple agencies And one says we're going to do this and the other guy's like well if you do that That's creating a direct effect on us and we're going to do this and it's character on them The state of california said go settle it out and if you don't you're immediately non-compliant now And you'll be non-compliant when the gsp deadline is and here's a key distinction when you're non-compliant And there's a couple places in the state where for instance gsa's have opted to pull out They went into partnership and then they pulled out the second a gsa or the second an agency does that They immediately become non-compliant and have to form their own gsa That's a multi-month process that has to happen because you've got to go through certain public public I'm just giving some background because some people have said that there's been some discussion here within this space about why There was a partnership versus It's no it doesn't so just bottom line then so costs Um, the cost to run a gsa is roughly usually 250 to 300 k annually or maybe even 250 to 500 The cost to do gsp is anywhere from a half a million to a million Next slide um signal was amended In after one year's time because what happened was water corporations like mutuals and public and private water corporations said Hey, we procure water. We we extract water. How come we're not allowed to be involved? So they modified it to allow them to these types of agencies to also be involved But they had to be invited To to participate by a gsa. So the test was no private water corporation was allowed to be an agency on their own They had to be invited to be a part of a partnership next slide private pumpers Sadly, I I'm going to be very candid. There's sadly private pumpers were Really not talked about much in segment Okay, the only two references that are that even sort of head shake towards private pumpers in in sigma in the statute Is consideration of interest of all beneficial users, which I'll get into more in a second And then this second one about in addition to the authorities having to do with with agreements of private parties um So that meant that private pumpers individual well owners kind of got the short end of the stick under signal And that's I'm just being blunt and candid In this basin like a plot is based that they put private pumpers on their on their agency board So so there are private pumpers that are on the the Santa margarita ground The statute did allow for what's called de minimis any person who extracts for domestic purposes Two acre feet or less per year falls under what's called a de minimis category And that provides some protections and some limitations of what an agency can impose upon de minimis users If they fall into that category next slide So some background some background of where the guiding principles and also some of this next work comes in is just you know, I interviewed and have been continuing interview various staff and Board members from the various agencies here in this basin Um, and these are just some of the documents that I've used to prepare the rest of this presentation next So under sigma and we're actually we're going to talk about this at the next workshop in february But very quickly is six sigma has six Potential undesirable results and you can be found to be unsustainable in one or more of these six conditions If you've got impacted groundwater elevation I'm going to actually jump down to subsidence because subsidence is unrelated next one If you've got subsidence which you don't have here, but just to so you know The land is really sunk that actually changes the size of the aquifer itself and it impacts the storage capacity The other little like if you get a big gas tank really hard of the hammer you would change the shape of that in the capacity That's basically what happens geologically That's groundwater storage seawater trusion. That's not an element here degraded water quality might be an issue in this basin Lands subsidence is not and groundwater surface water and your connection that very likely will be a variable that you'll be dealing with here The relationship between the differentographers in the San Lorenzo and some of the trips Sigma provided significant amounts of local control more than any other piece of policy That i've ever seen it has what i call a few shells in many ways They'll shall create a gsa the agency they'll shall create a gsp the plan They'll shall do public engagement Everything else that i'm going to talk about here not not all of it But a large part of it come falls into the an agency can do these or not do these things So that's the shells versus the mails and these are these authorities that i talked about earlier that have been granted to agencies If they want to take them on next slide So gsa roles and responsibilities in my professional opinion sort of fall into these general categories of governance outreach engagement Compliance coming and a whole set of general authorities Coordination and technical so i'm the rest of this is going to be sort of going through in greater detail Bullet points extracted straight from the regs and from the statute. Okay, go ahead So under governance you have to create an agency you have to establish membership You have to determine just all these things that you would do how long is the member going to be in there You have to develop a decision-making process in a dispute resolution process That's a really key thing there because under the regulations under public engagement If any of you have ever been involved as members of the public or agency members about unsecured california environmental quality act or nipa national environmental policy act This is a much higher bar for public engagement than you've ever seen in sequa nipa Okay, sequa nipa are public disclosure laws and their responsibilities are do public meetings under certain conditions Do public notifications things like that under sigma Sigma has some really specific requirements that i think that is some slides that i'll get into but if not at things like You have to describe in your sigma document who the interested parties are you've got to describe how decisions were made You've got to describe how the public input was used to make decisions It's a much higher bar in terms of public engagement Next slide So as i talked about the this this the eight agency was created in june 2017 JPAs this is an interesting sort of thing to get your head around joint powers authorities are created as unique Governing entities okay to solve or address a problem now. Yes, they are representative of a partnership of multiple agencies But by definition and by statute The responsibility of jpa is to address the issue at hand Okay, so there's representations from other organizations There has to be a commitment to the roles purpose and responsibilities of new agency So this agency as a member of this jpa this gsa, you know the ground water agency Your members who sit there lowest who remember when they sit in the jpa room Their job is to help to deliver the outcomes of that jpa. Yes, it is to keep in mind the constituents But at the end of the day that jpa's job is achieve and maintain ground water sustainability in this basin That's their foremost job um jpa's There's an acceptance of mutual liability and sharing a mutual liability risk We're just sometimes helpful and protective because somewhere in the state of california once gsp's are done Agencies are going to get sued It's it's going to happen Because some people are going to be housed and sometimes we're going to have knots when the jpe when the gsa's or the gsp's are done Um, and then like I said balancing the needs and requirements of the member organization and the new agency next slide So I made references earlier. So under statute, there's what they call beneficial users and beneficial uses. That's 11 classes So what you see there all of these parties and all these entities Are all beneficial users Okay, so when we talk about environmental uses and users, you know, the the environmental quality unto itself is an Is a beneficial use that an agency has to be prepared to deal with that and protect Service water users tribes. So these are the classes of Order of topics and individuals who are protected if you will under statement next slide So next category outreach engagement and transparency. So I've touched on some of this already You have to consider all the interests of the beneficial users and users You've got to maintain an interested persons list. You've got to document decision making process and how the input was used So again separate from sequel where they're sort of like comet duly noted or there's some sort of big major table The agencies the state agencies expect that when these gsa's turn in their gsp's They will articulate somehow meetings were held. This is the feedback we got This is how we weight that feedback and we took that feedback in and waited in And they have to describe that This is a direct quote encourage the active involvement of diverse social cultural and economic elements of the population within the basin You will not find anything like that in sequel or nima Okay They have to operate a brown act as this agency does and of course if you're not familiar with it any agency Has to provide access to information consistent with the public records act in california and be successful with the pra requests next slide So compliance these gsa's are required to comply with local laws local ordinances states Federal and under sigma and i'm this is a really quick abbreviation under sigma There's annual reporting and then there's five year reporting annual reporting is basically for to update This is what we've done. This is how we handle things five year reporting under sigma, which will happen four times because it's a 20 year window um The the five year reporting is basically going to be the this is how we're doing to achieve our sustainability goals Within the first five years relatively speaking most people think the first five years All the agencies of state are going to be getting a sort of the okay Show us what you can do Okay If within the next 10 years or the first 10 years of the second annual report A basin just is showing that they're simply not achieving sustainability More than likely this is my professional opinion more than likely the state's going to intervene because you'll be halfway through sigma And that basin will has not made any headway to achieve sustainability. So every five years you've got to report how we do Next slide um so These efforts have got to be done now This agency like many many agencies in the state took advantage of the proposition one which passed in november two years ago Uh proposals and got about a million bucks to pay for doing the gsp So they are and a lot of other agencies throughout the state did that as well Um, that'll pay for a good chunk if not all of the gsp But then after that this is a 20 year agency at the very least Okay, and this agency has got to be funded and the member agencies contribute to it if it's a single You know, so so there's that and so in many places around the state Prop 2018 votes are starting to get developed because they have to get funding to to run these these um these brand new agencies Um, so they can be so funding can come from regulatory fees property property related fees or assessments local tathcus Everything that's up there. Okay, but the bottom line is that that these agencies have to run They don't really have the choice because they have to be compliant Or the state will intervene the state water resources control work will intervene and take over groundwater management with their fee structure That fee structure has already been promulgated and finished is Significantly higher than most any other agencies. I've seen in the state of california The point being that if you think it would be expensive to do one Led by your own folks or or less expensive by the state. It won't be able to be significantly more expensive the state interventions Next slide Okay, now we're going to get to to broad the specific authority. So this is literally quote. Okay Do anything necessary and proper to carry out single purposes. Okay, so that's a that's a statement. That's in that's actually You can adopt rules regulations ordinances resolution. So when I said this is a regulating agency is a regulating agency Okay, um use any other authority allowed under the statute next slide So now we start getting specific. So what's that mean? Okay, that means that this agency and again, these are the maids not the shouts Then this agency is going to do this But so you have a broad sense of what this agency is going to be dealing with and for board members here Those that are going to sit on the groundwater agency This is what it deals with you can require they can require Registration of groundwater extraction facility as a well. Okay, so they can require that all wells are registered And gps and and put in susan major database They can require measurement and annual reporting with the exception So when I talked about the minimus earlier if you fall into the two acre feet or less, which most domestic You know homes do but the bottom line is This agency can require measurement um and annual reporting It can defer costs of a water measuring device a meter Okay, so with the exception so if you're de minimis you can't be but all of the parties that are not de minimis the agency can not only um enforce the installation of groundwater meters or water meters that it can put the cost Over to the individual well owner rather than take that agent test the case on by the agency um and require that an owner operator can can File an annual statement of describing use these are all the things that this that any agency in the state can do next slide information gathering you can conduct investigations of services groundwater rights and related rights you can monitor surface water diversions They can expect properties and facilities On on you know or obtaining an inspection warrant these agencies have warrant authority They have warrant authority and they have the ability to Do that Groundwater extractions. I'm not going to read all this stuff, but they can put well spacing requirements So go forward this agency or any agency can say in this point forward wells will only be spaced In a certain proximity to each other so as not to negatively impact each other They can control the extraction So I think the flavor that I want you to get is again. These are the maze not the shells I want to talk about the gsa being a regulating agency. Hopefully this is starting to get you to give you the flavor It's not like well. Let's just study groundwater. It's not I mean it's it's a big deal To put it on next slide Um, it can establish extraction allocation. So like I talked about in other places the state where there are critically over-drafted basins several places in the central valley the south central valley the brago Water district out in the you know the high the the san diego east of san diego almost Almost certainly there are going to be lands that are going to be fallowed almost certainly There's going to be allocation extractions that are going to our extraction allocations placed upon individual well owners The lands that go fallow who is the agency liable for some sort of a Endland domain or taking or hand or kind of people that are certainly going to get worked out on the courts right now Now the the ideal circumstance is that lands that are going to be fallowed or as we called Demand reduction will be broker through some sort of buyout or something like that So there'll be some sort of equitable buyout. That's not going to go to an eminent domain dynamic But it's a value before they Make it fallow. Yeah, that's that is what's going up for debate. That's what I said earlier about there's almost certainly going to be lost There are going to be places in the state that are going to knock here I I firmly believe knock here, but there will be places in the state where There's going to be winners and losers I will say that one of the Promises if you will the benefits of stigma if we can get through it and we can sort of use statewide advantage Is there places in the state where? You literally have federal water contractors and state water contractors and you've got Communities that have that went really high and dry during the drought and folks like literally right across the street had water But it was water contracted through federal water right in state and they weren't allowed They there were administrative burdens that that kept water from being shared I think that there's a lot of places in the state where not for free But we get to free lunch or a free drink, but There's opportunities to sort of break some administrative barriers in the state of california and help leaks folks out and integrate the systems better Whether or not we're going to be able to successful doing that. We'll see but it's it's feasible um, okay Property app position this is an any agent any agency can acquire property including whites they can make improvements Uh, they can acquire and transfer water rights but They can manage as indicated here waste water and storm water. They can transport reclaim water around Right there they can provide for a program voluntarily foul They can import water in if they've got the infrastructure capability to do so they can import water Purchase water and move things around now in this basin You have multiple agencies within you can do that when you don't really have the infrastructure from outside of this basin There's not a whole lot of options for that. You could probably with you increase them or some of those guys, but um But in places around the state like I talked about where there's proximity from one sub basin They're like they're literally just right across the river right across the road There's the ability to to build an infrastructure to move things around to try to keep people whole through an integrated process go ahead So we move on to enforcement you can so if there's going to be fees associated with extractions Uh, the an agency can sue collect delinquent fees They can pursue civil penalty. So if you've got a water extractor who is Basically flying in the face of what the gsp has said so if there's an allocation and that without well owners just saying the heck with you I'm going to take what I want regardless of what your plan civil penalties can be pursued There's a responsibility to coordinate with adjacent sub basins and counties and applicable And in there's a there's a term in the regulations called management areas I'm not going to go into super great detail, but it basically creates like sub conditions. So because the riders of the regulations knew that Groundwater basins aren't aren't homogeneous, you know, they're heterogenic There there's you can have circumstances where within an entire basin you still have sub conditions where One part of the basin has got certain, you know An obvious example is if you're a part of a basin that's right next to a river Well, your water source and your ground water elevation is probably a heck of a lot closer to the surface And if you're 10 miles away Yeah, is this is this applicable to us? Yes Which one's pardon? Which one? Um, both But in particular for this basin, I would say to you that the idea of management errors particularly Because I know you know because you have very different dynamics between the San Lorenzo Valley area and the way in which water is extracted here and Scott's Valley And and the city of Santa Cruz for that matter on what management areas could be completely applicable where you can And the point being what happens under management areas is under sigma I'm trying to get super deep in the weeds here, but under sigma when I when I talked about those six sustainability variables You have to set what are called Measurable objectives and minimum thresholds now one other thing to give to you all is that For all of it for any of the applicable sustainability criteria Where you're defined as being sustainable and this is a bit of an oversimplification But where you're defined as being sustainable is roughly where you were on january 1st 2015 Which is when the law went into effect I remember that was right on the tail end of the drought or certainly in the middle of the drought So so the reality is that Water conditions were ostensibly out there most impacted in a lot of places in the state ground water elevations were at their lowest in a lot of places in the state all incumbent other conditions work because we were in a Long-standing drought by that point So when we talk about minimum thresholds I'm just going to say hypothetical Let's say you've got a groundwater elevation and your minimum threshold Let's say the groundwater in any particular basin was it 200 feet Okay, well on january 1st if it was a 200 feet then that's your minimum threshold Okay, if you drop below 200 feet for the next 20 years you're out of compliance You're out of sustainability the goal ostensibly would be to improve your ground water conditions and get better than 200 feet Elevation but if you go below that now you're no longer compliant. That's your threshold Now the key distinction for management areas is that different management areas can have different measurable objectives and different minimum thresholds And that's important because in a in a heterogeneic condition one part of the basin can say look We don't want to be held accountable to what was going on with those guys because there's just no way we were that way We had our own Hydrogeologic conditions over in our part of the basin and that's reasonable. That's why they put this in Um pretty over simplifying that but the bottom line is that management areas are a completely applicable thing It's allowed by statutes allowed by regs Might be something that gets pursued next slide Okay, technical authorities Uh, you can access technical experts Do monitoring they have to develop a water budget. That's going to be the focus of the next workshop on February 9th We're going to talk about developing water budgets developing what are called hydrogeologic conceptual models We're going to talk a lot about the geology of this basin and the complexity and this is a fairly complex basin by their octopus um But they have to develop that's one of the things that within the GSP. They have to do a water budget. Yeah, Bob And that includes possibly forecasting on population It can it's not mandated to it doesn't it doesn't have to include that would determine the water budget Well, water budget is sort of the checkbook kind of thing. So it's water in water out So if it's water in water out, then you want to sort of talk about sort of water out in the future Then yes, then grant then population projections certainly be woven into and that's where again the flexibility You have to have a technically defensible water budget. I don't think the state is necessarily going to say thou shall build population projections That's a local decision Next slide So, um, that's the roles and responsibilities. I want to pivot to the the guiding principles, but I'll pause And see if there's questions No, um What can't uh smigba do To recommend as a best solution If they decide to design and build infrastructure to increase water production the water storage like stormwater collection and also building birthing reservoirs and how third part second part of the question is how If that was the case, how can this Our agency pursue funding for these projects and the third part of the question is how can smigba Put pressure on our neighboring the central groundwater agency the city and Soquel water district To pursue the most cost-effective Um projects in that same vein more production more storage Recycled water etc Let me try to go in order first class, um the This is so when I talk about the shallows from the maize and the local control this agency which are calling smigba has The authority to pursue whatever projects it decides it wants to pursue um I'll get to this a little bit more in the in the guiding principles but on the guiding principles one of the last elements of the guiding principles is a Commitment to pursue what they call integrated water management the idea of being able to integrate You know like the emergency tie-in you have right now and just you know being able to integrate water resources routes Everybody can be ideally kept whole there's all kinds of infrastructure projects that can potentially be pursued That is what this agency is going to have to do that is what this agency will debate So the what part to your question is Yeah, that's exactly what they'll do The second part of your question about was it was fun funding? um You know at this time there is Some new funding that came from the brand new proposition prop 68 that that passed in the summer and now went into law because of january 1st there is some money in that um at this stage the game It's most likely going to be still getting focused on planning Groundwater planning because that's where these basins are still you know as I showed by those dates We're still in a plan sequence for like the next two four years um or three two three years I would be surprised if there will not be pressure on subsequent propositions Uh and bond opportunities whether local bonds or state bonds for further funding to Support agencies for additional opportunities for infrastructure. Obviously, I can't make that commitment. I'm not a Legislator, but I would be surprised if that's not going to be out there because you have on the one hand You have a law that says dash I'd be sustainable and you have a lot of agencies that are going to be What we're trying but Where's the money coming from?  No I wouldn't be surprised um third part of your question With the exception of being able to show that there are redirected effects So with the exception of being able to show hydrogeologically from one basin, you know Hi, we're this basin and you guys over there doing something and it is impacting us We need to work together. Um There's nothing that mandates There's an agency so again over in central valley where the sub basins are separated quite literally by rivers by tributaries And there's already is and it's going to be all kinds of fingerpoint in the future like well, they're doing it They're doing it. It's you know, like guys on other sides of the river. Um That's a legitimate can we show to redirected effects? They'll have to do it over here That may be a harder a harder nut that said Good governance good policy might indicate that that You know liaison from one agency would go to another agency and say hi We're neighbors. What can we maybe do together? What can we invest in together? It's been tried in this region sometimes successfully sometimes not so We're excited Thank you I had a question about ecosystem services the value of ecosystem services The director folks touched on sort of the idea of compensation for fallow ground I'm wondering if any groundwater sustainability agencies have taken a look at the value of watershed lands or recharge groundwater recharge lands and attributed or ascribe some kind of a water sustainability value to the maintenance in a Groundwater recharge conductive state whether it was close to pristine or facilitating groundwater recharge stream flow recharge that recharges the aquifer so that you're not looking at land use from a point of view of compensating a loss but promoting Sustainable water land use through some kind of reward for maintenance in a sustainable mode And then fees or charges for impervious surfaces that degrade the value of those ecosystem services so That that type of thinking is is happening in a lot of places. It's I mean again, they're At a state scale, we are building a plane while we're flying. Okay, this is This has never been done before. Sigma is quite literally a foundational I'm not this is not upon it is a tectonic shift in water management in the state of california. Okay Or as we may have heard later the other day say that when you know when somebody's got admitted to texas got to it before california That's probably not a good day. Well texas has had ground water management for a long long time certainly before us It's more specifically to your point Without getting too deep in the weeds on on water rights and things but also getting into the local the local authority flavor I do not work for the u.r. And I do not work for the state water resources control board. They're looking for a basin an agency to show The effective tools that they have to achieve sustainability And to legitimately do they're going to look at the technical data Okay, they're gonna and if they're if they feel that an agency is pulling some sort of shell game They're gonna call you it's it's going to be very rigorous The reason i'm saying that is the following If there is a legitimate Approach so to use your terms about you know, can you compensate for impervious services? Can you so rather than making sigma punitive? Can you make it a reward basis? Or both right so we build in the punitive, but if you can incentivize better land management tools and you can you know Cumulatively expect that or hope for that The state I don't think is going to care as long as in your numbers pencil out and show can we achieve and maintain sustainability You you have the carp launches an agency to to complete to come up with whatever The only thing I will say and I don't want to get super deep in the weeds is that Our groundwater laws is our groundwater rights in state of california are based upon correlative rights Okay, and that's basically if you own land you have the right to the groundwater before you okay, and what sigma is sort of doing The blood money field of sigma was sigma did not Dispense with correlative rights. Okay, sigma did not create Appropriate of rights that you have for stream for surface water.  Fire you know falsely Sigma basically says yep, you got correlative rights. You can draw the water out However, you can't draw whatever you want because that's the allocation part Right, so when you start getting in and correlative rights does not cover. What are you recharging? It doesn't go there. It only says what do you extract? So to build that in there's nothing wrong with it, but again, that's a local agency innovation I'm sorry. I haven't done the chairs to be you want there's a question So I just call the person oh sure There are no requirements for de minimis to um, uh to Report what they're pulling out. How can a groundwater management agency really understand what's going out? Stop There's a lot of wells around here. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, there are over in curn For instance curn is the largest groundwater basin current estimates. They've got anywhere between eight And 10 000 or so private wells that would all fall over the category of de minimis now individually Any one of them is like a drop in the bucket collectively. That's a lot. That's a lot of water. Um, now that said There are a lot of tools that are available by by averaging a per capita water use There's a lot of data that exists. There's a lot of data that exists Whether it's per capita per household and size of household that you can literally extrapolate from, you know aerial photographs of what the footprint of the size is or and correlate that to What's the known population of a particular domestic dwelling from the census tract or there's all kinds of things You can correlate and tie together and come with some pretty good Target estimates. Can you be as exacting as if you've had meters? No, you can't but there there are Various different geographic information system based tools that you can get probably within a better window. So you're not completely blind, but A little one, but with no measurement of those private wells I you don't know what they're taking out and what's to stop somebody from Pulling up a big truck and fill it at every, you know, a couple of weeks and Do whatever they're going to do with it All right So my question is on funding Is this as a regulatory agency doesn't have any power to lobby for better funding or does do we as Ratepayers have to go to some other institutions. Do we have to go to more elected officials or does this organization? Well, you say this organization means a gsa or a census water district Yeah, um, well sure. I mean it has I wouldn't define as authority, but it has you know, the agency as the right of an ability to go advocate I mean it's This agency and all other agencies absolutely have the right to go advocate to their legislators for new funding sources and things like that along the lines what I was talking about Yeah, and that's going to be a very common condition throughout the state because I mean it Okay, so we'll move on to Are you the chair? Well, what was asked me? I'm the chair. Lois said I could call on people So the chair said I could call on people as they reason. Well, you know, you get kind of a My name is Bruce Holloway. I live here in Boulder Creek. Um, you gave kind of a punitive Exposition here about what the state's going to do if states can do that state's going to do this And I just say can do that. So, you know about the violation of the felton water permit No, okay. Well, you know a lot about state water policy, right? But you don't know about felton Well, I mean I know you and I've talked about it in the past too because we we talked so when I interviewed So you do Yeah, but I don't know like in depth, but you want to talk about it. Well, I mean you can look up the water, right? And um, there's certain paragraphs in there that were expressly put in there for the protection of fish Uh, coho salmon and steelhead fish. They're in this water, right? And this was nailed down in the 1970s Through a public process. I mean you're talking about Gotta do this gotta do that gotta have this gotta have that public process. This all took place 40 years ago Right here, right here. There was an organization called the save the San Lorenzo River I wasn't here then, frankly. I've only been in slv since 1982 But back in the 70s the county city's anarchers were all involved state water state water board department of fishing wildlife All involved and they nailed down these specific requirements specific And this district has never respected those requirements for 10 years. This district acquired the felton water system More than 10 years ago, and this district has never respected those requirements So all I have to say to you when you stand here and you say, oh, the state's going to do this State's going to do that state's going to do it now. They don't know and for 40 years The state water board has done nothing And and when I talk to people at the state water board, they say, oh, we're involved. We're worried about horrible dam We're worried about the delta tunnels or is it one tunnel? I can't remember how it goes We're worried about the delta smelt not the covo salmon You know the state is focused elsewhere mostly And so when you come here locally and you point your finger Oh, it's got to be this and it's got to be that and it's got to be this Um, I think it's a joke Because the state does not enforce these laws at all The only thing that enforces the state law are private plaintiffs And when your contract is up when your grant funding is up, you there's a grant to the gsa and it pays for your I don't know where the source of funding for my for my contract is my my contract is with the agency I don't know where the source of funding and the age is gsa the gsa Okay, um, and so I think the gsa has gotten You know half of the price of the gsp is paid through the grant and part of that has been for you So when the funding is done and you go back to sacramento We're still going to be here And maybe 40 years from now Whatever you're saying the state's requiring this and the state's requiring that 40 years from now It might be the same story as it's been for steel hit it And coho according to the state water boards Permit And felt it. Okay. Nobody respects it. No one respects it one bit doesn't matter how big of a public policy ever public I mean, where I can't do anything about that, right? Madam Chair, would I ask if Mr. Holloway actually has a question or is he kind of Well, it doesn't matter if I have a question or comment a question or comments the same No, it's not We're not going to have Conversation between people there's one more thing. I'd like to say the question or comment is today. It's no different The um, could you please wrap it up though? So beneficial users Um We're all up here Those of us in the gsa jurisdiction, and I'm including the city of scott's valley And all of us will be water district and mountain And all the private pumpers all of us in this groundwater basin, and I'm excluding the city of santa cruz Because the city of santa cruz has not been a groundwater user to date And the only reason that they're in here is because they got a dam They got two dams They got a big old dam on newill creek the block one that we all know about and they got the rubber dam down in philton And in a way, these are intrusions. These are intrusions upon our environment up here in this basin area And so santa cruz has somehow interloaked Into this gsa because they've already intruded Well, I'm not sure we're not sure if you were here. So beneficial users. I'm just addressing I'm giving you one more minute. Okay One minute santa cruz They've somehow weadled their way in here But this isn't really their gsa. It's our gsa And and they've already intruded on us and and now they want to intrude on us further in terms of groundwater You know, they they've already got surface water rights far in excess to what our district has And um, they want to intrude further and they want to they want to slice of our groundwater and I don't agree with that Okay, thank you Call back to yeah, exactly. Um, I will call back to the public that one of the early slides right Showed the language about the statute about local agencies Um, I will respectfully disagree with mr. Hallway the any any local agency that has land use authority The agency that has land authority and or water supply or water management authority legally by statute has a right to be a gsa What the statute says How you work that out locally is entirely up to any basin in the state of california But any city any county legally has a right to be a gsa or a partner of the gsa. It just that's the statute John ricker Okay, thank you What was recently developed or recently adopted in december Um, which they are calling the guiding principles. Um, this exercise has been done In a number of places around the state where you have this kind of circumstance We have diverse agencies that are coming together a partner together Um, they have their mandate because the mandate is set by statute But how they're going to go about doing it and do they have shared values and shared interests They don't all this.  They represent different constituencies So the guys looking for the process began with me working through a series of interviews with All the board members of the gsa I have subsequently interviewed some more board members that are a bit of this Agency specifically i've been continuing to finish this off with some folks here and likewise some some new board members Continue the other jurisdictions The member jurisdictions I interviewed staff. I interviewed some community members at the time And came forward with recommendations Basically twofold one was development of guiding principles. The other was the educational process that you maybe attended and hopefully will Attend in the next two months. Um, so the guiding principles then a committee was created a facilitation committee was created at the ground water agency which included truck when he was on your board and representing this agency and other agencies other members And we worked over a several month period to craft these what I think are 14 or 15 different statements now some of these early on the document are Basically background and and these this is available on the santa margarita website And the agency website they were available as handouts and they will continue to be available as handouts at the The subsequent workshops and if you have gone into the The small meeting room you may have seen the big panels if you're at the workshop the other day That presented these in panel form and now those will continue to be available So but a couple things that that you know when I began working with them on is You know I talked about a guiding principles are sort of we hold these truths to be self-evident You know when you get a group of people a group of agencies together everybody inherently comes with different interests that that's just being people um What you want to try to do with a new agency and then set the framework for The work of that agency for many years to come is what are we holding ourselves accountable to? um, and Can we see ourselves in a set of principles? You know it doesn't mean that everybody sees themselves equally, but what you don't want to have certainly in an agency is where One set of you know one subset of partners just start steamrolling and doing something and some other members like hey, whoa Whoa, that's that's completely anathema to what we believe in and all the rest of parties are like too bad So this is a starting place this can be a living document certainly for this new groundwater agency But a couple of things for instance, um, can you enlarge it just maybe slightly? For my 50-something year old eyes Okay, um Well, we'll see okay, so, um So, um, let me I'm just gonna you know So the here's this, you know, this is a statement You know the agency represents and preserves the water interests of all beneficial uses and users equitably and transparently There's the next bullet here if you can go ahead and scroll up just a little bit Another item so this one right here is where we introduced and talked about the the agency now to be clear the agency didn't have a choice about Defending the the concept of de minimis because the concept of de minimis was in statute But they felt it was important to go ahead and state we you know, we're there We recognize that that is the the agency is committed to the definition of de minimis And we'll explore opportunities to minimize sigma related impacts to all groundwater extractors um I've worked with this agency. I can only tell you that they Seemed to they legitimately mean it they they want sigma to be as unobtrusive and as non-painful as possible. There was one that I Hold on. I'm just trying to find it. Um Uh Can you scroll can you scroll? Um Sorry There historic groundwater management surface water management and land use practice in the basin Have created overdraft conditions and some of the underlying aquifers the practices that created over overdraft conditions Were not sustainable and the practices that took place will not be repeated by any member of the agency Nor any benefits used in the basin now You can look at that and I will blame you you can look at that and say that's mom and apple pie type of stuff okay The flip side to that is that by virtue of me going out and talking I'm not I'm not in credit for this I'm just saying going out and talking to people there is clearly Clearly and rightfully so frustration of past historic practices This is a statement by this agency saying we're not going to do it again. We're going to do things differently Now will they have to be held accountable to that like all agencies? Yes Will they take the people in this room to hold this agency accountable? Yes I don't delude myself. I deal in policy for a living I think that that's an important statement. Can you you know scrolling up? Um Uh the excellent so here number 10 beyond minimum sustainability thresholds remember I talked about minimum thresholds earlier Beyond minimum sustainability thresholds and objectives The agency will examine possibilities to recover and restore the basin's aquifers and restore tributary base flows to the best extent possible Now that again Any one of you could look at that if I were living in my community. I would look at that and go Well, you'll try there's a possibility I get that okay, but this is politics And you have to sort of leave some room the important thing I would like to submit to you is that what's being stated here by this agency is They can accept wherever the groundwater conditions are right now as being what they are This is a statement where they're saying they want to do better. They want to try to Recharge the aquifer. They want to try to recharge base flows. It's going to take work It's going to take money as it was talked about but this is a statement of a principle that everybody's collectively in agreement Yes, those base flows as of that that Yeah, that's the target. That's the minimum threshold is where things were on that gate. Um Scroll down a little bit or up a little bit. Okay, so number 13 the agency also recognizes its duties The taxpayers ratepayers and future generations to ensure that our financial resources are used effectively And responsibly as a tool to promote sustainable groundwater conditions I'm going to pause here for a second and just say in general there's one of the ones I've pointed to I do this for living. I work with agencies for living There is inherently a um An early we're just getting started kind of element to any any organization I ever work with that do that does use But I can also categorically tell you the following. Okay, and like I said, I work with a lot of different agencies I sat with agencies where I've worked for multiple years And four years after they've done something You've got a new board people have been elected. They've been moved. They've done whatever you've got new people the discussion is taking place Maybe somebody's intending to do something sneaking more often than not it's not It's just people sort of trying to protect interest and they're in a conversation And somebody else picks up the copy of the guiding principles and says I just got to say something These are our guiding principles and if we go the direction that Member so-and-so has raised It seems to me like it's flying in the face of these principles. Are we prepared to do that? I have seen this happen several times where people it's a totem. They hold themselves accountable to this So are these words on a page? Yes, they're important words on a page This is the first step that this brand new agency has done to come forward and say, what do we collectively agree on? How are we going to collectively work together? um this lap this number 14 Integrated well, I think is a very key one Integrated water management is a set of methods to extract transport store use and shared groundwater through a basin To support the sigma objectives and base by water needs This agency will pursue an integrated water management approach for this basin. It will honor the social cultural natural and economic diversity It will capitalize on diverse water resources throughout the basin And it will seek to ensure that all beneficial users have necessary water resources An integrated water management approach may rely on but may not be limited to if you can scroll Science-based decision-making projects and methods to recover and restore the aquifer Collective and individual groundwater use for crime It's the point being that this agency has said we're going to start looking into how can we integrate our water resources And keep people whole that's a that's a fundamental statement for a brand new agency So they worked several months on this Uh, these were adopted in December at the December agency Um, now the agency has to be leading to these principles. So this is the work that we've done I'll pause for questions Virgil? Yes, I'm sorry, but can these be changed? Yes, I mean if the agency chooses to be changed. Yes. Yes. Okay Any other questions? No questions Yeah, these are so these are available on the Santa Margarita Groundwater website Um, and I don't know if they're directly on the landing page or I think there's a link on the landing page Oh, exactly. Thank you. Okay. So our next workshop is uh, the agency's workshop is going to be on February 9th Again, I felt in community center the focus is Going to be on water budgets. We just met yesterday and started working Advancing to work on the agenda I'm pretty certain the following key we know who our key of speaker is going to be assembly member stone So more stone with very significant credit to your chair to reached out today and Confirm that so I'm already in communication with his office Um We will be focusing on the following key items. We'll be doing Some further review of sigma regulations specifically to the gsp and how what those regulations are about how the plan Start to get put together We'll have to be having technical presentations by a number of the groundwater consultants that have been working for the last several months and years on what we call the water budget that um member folks was was talking about which is sort of What's the water in what's the water out? It's kind of a water checkbook or the water checking account They'll be talking about this other item that we talked about called a hydrogeologic conceptual model, which I might even try to get into We'll be talking about the aquifer aquifers and the geology area We're also going to have a section on um On aquatic ecosystems and sustainability and start really talking about groundwater surface water interaction Things like that. So that is going to be the general focus and speakers and panels At this one and then at the third workshop in march It's going to be about watershed or water management So we're going to then start transitioning into some of the stuff we just talked about about integrated water systems conjunctive use So that's going to be the focus of that third workshop. So we're We're trying to move along. I I hope those of you that were there on saturday found it informative and helpful And we're going to be staying relevant the same basic pattern of some presentations and some group discussions and report back So we're going to keep the same basic model unless you guys have feedback. Otherwise, and by all means, let me If you if you have some other feedback Okay, I register and say I'm going to read a website of you like to attend is the spelton community hall We had over a hundred people last saturday well attended Hope you all attend and I gotta say it it's it's really it's really helpful if you actually register You know please just so we know Any folks because it's just it's really really helpful So we have a sense how many tables to put up and just you know materials and things like that So if you're going to come register if you know some people you want to encourage them encourage them to come it just helps us Have a handle on who's going to be that Dave I really think it's good for your blood pressure that we don't register and get surprised No, I don't It makes me not sleep very well what I do Is what it does Like you're throwing a party and nobody's coming a little like that. Yes Well, we really appreciate you coming and sharing all this with us. Thank you. Thank you for letting me go first I can place on back down back. So thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you I was to do other interviews and and I gave my email address if anybody ever I think Jen's got it anybody ever wants to ask any questions I work for Sac State. We didn't really say that but I work for Sac State. We're we're fee for service But we're not for profit. I mean we're by definition. We're third party neutrals. That's my job My job is to be a third party.  So if you give my email address out, I'm happy to to respond to anybody that contacts me Oh Okay, um, let me grab my Thank you all have a wonderful evening Yes Okay, how many of you want to comment that we have a lot of people here and How many of you think you want to comment in oral communications on anything that's not on the agenda Okay, I don't see a bunch of people. So I guess if you do want to comment you can have three months So any comments None We're moving forward then. Okay Unfinished business board policy manual Um I think we We need to move forward with this But I think there's going to be a lot of changes so if some I would like to move that we Vote to accept the policy manual with with a change with the This little about the times of meetings because when we talked before It was mentioned that we wanted the closed session to start at 5 30 open session at 6 30 and Open session would always be at 6 30 Even if they're even if there's no closed session And I I would like to make that change. I know you've been writing this and well point of order so What you want to do then is to use the document that's included as the edits that I submitted as the document that we're going to Work on tonight and potentially past the night that would be the document. We're going to put into a motion Right, that's mine. That's what I want to do. Okay, so I do have the word document And so I want to get to that Well, don't we all have it? What about getting to that? You don't have the word you have the pdf I saw you had it in here. Whatever we're deciding we want to do. How about if we did let me suggest a slightly different approach That we go through what is in there sort of edit by edit See if there's any changes we want to make to it And at that point in time I can make that change you're suggesting once we get to that point. Does that sound okay? Not really, okay I think we're really short on time tonight and we got a lot of things to do and Let me let me just make sure here. We've got Okay, regular schedule meetings of board directors should be held on the first and third Thursday of each month at 5 30 p At the district's operation building Unless otherwise specified by action board of directors So, how do we want to reword that at 5 30 p.m for closed session closed session And open session will always be at 6 30 or time certain because If we didn't have closed session, we were refining ourselves here at 5 o'clock for the regular session and 6 30 p.m for time certain for open session Regardless That doesn't sound good That's 6 30 for open time certain for open session. Yeah That's changes in it. So what my thinking here is Instead of spending a lot of time tonight because we've got a lot of people here That aren't normally here And I want them to have a chance to talk We can always make edits On the board policy manual. We could bring it up every month if we wanted to and say hey We want to change this but if we go ahead and and Uh Vote for what was worked on before and And get that passed with this one amendment about the time Okay, so I'm is there any other edits or Otherwise, I'm I move that we adopt the The resolution We're going to have to get any a better way of Being able to scroll back and forth there. I'm still trying to get there You've got to get a better way I had one idea I just want to make sure the board realized that page 94 has any thoughts from council on Board stipends that that was asked for the last minute It's in your pocket Uh, did you Oh Well, I noticed the board stipend. He didn't change it at all. It's still a hundred dollars. I think meaning correct Okay The one thing that recently came up to my attention is On committee members the public member Which my understanding was and the board policy member was that every you know January With ever since that I've been on the board that we You know what that isn't what we're talking about, right? Well, there's a policy I'm done with the stipend but In the board policy man is there's a term for the public member of the political public member of each committee and Ever since I've been on the board in the beginning of the year we You know that was that and it says in there that that The board is to pick, you know, the public member So anyway, at the beginning of this year, we we I like to inform you that we did not advertise for the environmental committee public members Which I didn't I didn't really I didn't agree with but in the board policy manual it says that each Public member will be selected for that year So there's a bit of confusion on the the term of the public member of the committee I think needs to be cleared up. It needs either it needs to stay that way It's one year and that the the member is to be Decided or it's whatever The rest of the board members think it should be but in my opinion it should be changed every year It could be every two years, especially after election year because I believe that the public member on the committee should commit to after the platform On the committee. So anyway, I do believe that And as a consequence to make this change on the board member that I believe that we made a mistake on not recruiting a new Committee member we're going to be interviewing The current committee well, I know that that's anyway, that's my change I think I think that needs to be cleaned up on that thing I think it's clear in here right now I do think the the fact that the environmental committee was not advertised for was was an oversight But kind of a natural one as we were going through the transition and part of what I would like to do When we get to the committee appointments Is to ask that the environmental committee be advertised so that we can fill that Hopefully at either the next meeting or the meeting thereafter To to catch us up with what we should be doing according to this policy So that would basically open up the environmental committee, but right now what we're talking about is just this policy I think it's clear and there it is supposed to be for one year And we're just going through some transition here trying to clean that out. So you agree that you agree with me that it already It should be just one year. It should just be one year, and then we do clean up But I want to cover that specific item once we get to committees right now I think we're going to focus just on this. So I'm finally at the resolution So I move resolution of san lorens valley water district resolution number 26 18-19 At the board adopt the board policy manual 2019 Based upon and I want to make this clear Uh, it's the exhibit a with edits Let me get back down to that since we're It's still exhibit a but it's edits by bopfels director. And that's the one that we're going to pass Or that's why I'm moving that we pass. Okay. Oh second We have to change We have to change That's a question for public comment. I you're I for just for clarity.  So you're just adopting the time change It's adopting the entire Yeah, we've discussed a lot of this section We can discuss them as I can still make the motion because it'll be second and we still have discussion Yeah, but I I I mean We haven't had okay, you can have discussion, but there's still areas of the board has not went through yet You're adopting them with my point. Well, and my point is That we can change those things we can bring them up again in other meetings and other board meetings, but this Board policy manual has been floating around forever We we did we did discuss all the edit what I did with the edits here While we're waiting for a second What I did with the edits I actually reduced the edits based on discussion that we had at the last meeting So we're not consolidating the committees There's other things that we pulled out and all the things that are in there are word in the last document that we discussed and I think an hour and a half pretty thoroughly And so at this point in time I'm making this mode. I've made the motion with the That we adopt the resolution with these edits with uh, what was this one change And I guess at this point in time if there's no second then it would fail, but I'm hopeful that there will be a second It was seconded So at this point in time, let's see uh any comments from the uh audience Comments, uh, I can't see who's back there. Oh bruce I only have two comments, uh one is that as far as the The rules of order for the meetings That has historically been the Sturgis rules of order over the name this Not roberts rules rules of order and I I think switching to roberts rules was a brianism Uh, not really necessary No, uh Sturgis Alice Sturgis was a noted, uh, northern california Parliamentarian who was on the faculty of both, uh stanford and uc berkeley and uh, I think her You know the the rules of parliamentary procedure that derived from her, you know from her book Are simpler than roberts rules of order is hundreds and hundreds of pages That apply to a parliamentary bodies, you know Which is much more complicated than what we have here So I don't see any need to deviate from the Sturgis rules She's a noted, uh female northern california professor Or what's in the last century? um, the other thing is the number of votes it takes to To pass any kind of resolution for the board to do any kind of business. It's always three The policy manual says the majority of the board Well, I see five board members here. So majority of the board is three. That's the same as a quorum But if two people died If there were two vacancies It would still take three Right, that's state law as far as I know it's been reviewed by the attorney general It's well understood the same thing for the county board of supervisors Now city of sanctor is a different story down there. They've got seven council members and according to their rules If a quorum is four And they can have three to one vote They can have a three to one vote and pass something or other down the city of sanikers, which is three is a minority Of seven they can do it according to their city charter. It's not state law. It's their city charter But for the county board supervisors or for this board, it's always three So I kind of think the words in the board policy manual say a majority of the board And if the board only had three if people, you know moved away or something Um, if the board got to a point where they only had three people might read that and they would think a majority of the board might be two We could pass something with two. Well, you can never do anything with two. That's the rule nothing anything Three it takes three. That's it. You can do anything with three within your jurisdiction and you can do nothing with two Thank you. I actually know that I wasn't born yesterday as you can tell Um, it takes three So thank you Anybody else want to comment? No other comments Okay, you how you want to call for a vote here So this is a motion made and seconded to adopt resolution number 26 18 19 with exhibit a edits five 12 With the change that Lois suggested which is It was amended with the change regarding the schedule. Yeah, and I noted it down and I'll supply that to you Okay, thank you. I have it as well. All right. Uh, director false Yes director smallman Director swan. Yes President henry. Yes director bruce. Yes And just so you know director false We'll be bringing this up again. Oh, I believe This is okay. No, that's not a threat. That's just a promise so The next thing we're going to do here is review all the committees and right now we only have two committees that Have citizen people So I would like anybody on ladder committee that's here if they would Stand up There's only one Oh There's two One that's one opening and one Okay, yeah So I don't know when we're going to find somebody to come and give you An education on how to be an oversight committee but I know there's plenty of Of examples out there of reports And I think people in long pico have been waiting for almost three years And it's going to take a sound a certain amount of work to get this done And I would like to know If you're both Ready and willing to do this but but before you answer me I might say to jen probably one of them Not jen. I'm sorry jenny That one of the changes we're going to make in that board policy manual Is that there will not one citizen person can't be on two committees So you're going to have to think about what committee you want to be on and With no guarantee That you will be on a committee you want to be on So I'm just putting that out there for you to think about So I'm I'm asking you for both willing to do the work That this committee is going to need to Do You mean sending a preparing annual reports for the community? Yes Okay, absolutely. All right. Thank you Okay now The environmental committee Jenny is on the environmental committee Her time on that committee will be over at the end of this month And so I'm asking that we immediately put out a request for people to Apply for the environmental committee And that jenny would have to She wants to be on the committee to reapply She can't go to Huh? Well, she can reapply She she doesn't have to reapply. She doesn't reapply. She won't be And even if she reapplies doesn't mean she'll be on the environmental committee All I'm saying that change was not made though in the policy. I mean, I was it tonight No, okay, so it hasn't been done yet Tony So can Jenny um So she can Apply and then if not chosen she can still remain on this committee then she doesn't have to resign in order to apply, right? Right But if we change it There's no point in her if she wants to stay on Lata. There's no point for her to read to reapply If we change it hasn't happened yet, but I believe it will Because we want people to Feel free To apply for these committees. I mean, this is fabulous. How many people we got To apply for committees that hasn't happened before it's fabulous And I'm so happy about it. We want we you don't have to Agree with everything we want to do. However We did run on some pretty strong platforms And if you're really major against some of those platforms, you probably shouldn't apply, but hey, you're free to apply and We Would not turn any way anybody away who doesn't necessarily agree with those So The board wants to you want to talk about this Bob I'm not clear what we're talking about. Are we talking about the laddock community application right now? Or no, I went over to the To the environmental and I hers is her time is over By the end of the month and if she wants to stay on the committee She'll have to reapply. I'm not saying she'll be Elected I I think though to put a put an advertisement out for The environmental committee. Yeah, that's what I said. I wanted as soon as possible And be the first meeting in March. Give us the month of February We've got this month's about shop to get advertisements out Yeah, advertise for the month of february and then bring it back to the board For review the first meeting in march. Okay, but whoever we pick in march We're going to look at committees in December or in January. So whoever gets put on The environmental committee in march their time is going to be up At the end of the year That'll also give us a little time to clarify. So you'll clarify that. Yeah, the board calls the board call make that a little Easier now the lot of a lot of committee will not be reviewed in the same manner. No, no Holland well, I wanted to find out so in jenny's case. She was replacing somebody that resigned So what happens if somebody resigns in november is would the replacements term be up and we have to go out again? Well, if some if somebody if somebody resigned resigns in november We're going to already be putting stuff out in in december for But what committee members six months before after six months they then they would only get six months So it'd be six months. All right. That's all I wanted to know. Yeah, I mean it's that's not written in stone yet, but that's In in my head Bill well, I think Somebody thinks it's going to forward policy manila He needs to be You know, I think in the future well, we can do that. But if somebody does get appointed Like in de september or november I think it should be stated that their term is good for another year beyond that And that and I think and the other point that I'd like to make is I think it is a really good idea To not have a public member and more than one committee because that that allows more Um, and I kind of just said that but Wait, that's going to be for another time. It's not that's not policy right now It's not policy right now and when we come back to the table on this board policy manual we can Make changes No, I was just reviewing the two committees that we have people I am going to go to I I I'm getting there I'm sorry Okay, do you have something you want to say? Margaret How about out there in the Audience tony did I see your hand up? No? Oh, I I saw Bruce's hand So, you know, uh vice president hammer resigned in may And it was well understood according to the rules that Anybody that got appointed to the place Director hammer would take office, you know, pretty much immediately or a month later And would finish out the term and that the new The new person would be a newly elected director Whether, you know, whether it was the appointee or some new person whatever So I feel like it should be the same thing if if if vice president hammer had chosen to resign in november instead of You know may well Still there's a there's a four-year term there in that case of a director So I guess in a case of a committee member. It's a one-year term But I don't I don't think that if you appoint somebody in september that means they get a 15 month term I don't understand that You should have a clearly stated time when the term is just like it is for your members yourselves And that's what you should stick to. Thank you but I Actually don't agree with that. I think that they unless there's a huge abundance Of people wanting to be on the committee. I think it's kind of a waste of the Board's time I think that the person should be allowed to stay if they want to because it's not an elected position It's an appointed position Well, we aren't saying we'll take them off, but we certainly can Ask them to reply Which has been pretty standard and Chris moran you have From that moment Yes, I was that public member on the environmental committee. I served on it for two years. I did not resign I did not renew my application. I chose not to be on there. That's I don't know That's what you want to call a resignation, but it was the end of my term I understood that my terms were one year and that's how I functioned on that committee Yes, let me ask a question Do you say that you think you will be making a change to the board policy manual to Not allow anybody to be on two committees. Do I hear that correct? Yeah, probably How did you come to that conclusion? I mean I that hasn't come before the board for discussion I I'm I'm at a loss for how you're making that assumption and then basing You know questions for one of the current committee members based upon that fact I I said it was possibility and there's going to be changes made and when Jenny was put on two committees There was nothing that said it couldn't be done, but there was nothing that said it could be done And if you'll remember There was Some real shenanigans that went on That you were involved in Then you need to clarify those in this meeting Everybody at that meeting You want me to tell you what Yeah, tell me what this shenanigans was that is in your mind right now We there was a perfectly qualified person to be on laddock and you got someone To apply and bring in two ringers To be on that committee and you voted for the three of them And not the person who was most qualified And that's what I call shenanigans That was the judgment of um That's your judgment and the judgment of the board of that And my judgment is I thought that was pretty The voters in november too Wait go on go on So you are asking jenny to make a decision now I'm just telling her it could happen and I'm not making her do it now. No I can just say and it could happen Well, I think you should bring back the discussion of Whether you're changing that rule before you ask somebody whether they're going and it will be discussed At another board member I mean another board meeting if we're going to change that rule it will be discussed It's not going to be discussed tonight I was just trying to give her a heads up what I think might happen And she can ignore me and the board can And the board has not agreed to this and I Have not talked to them about it. It's the first time they've heard it so Anybody else I'd like to take a short exception to the ringer comment. I think it was it's Untrue and Unnecessarily inflammatory Uh, you brought two guys in who knew absolutely nothing about the assessment The lada committee is an oversight committee And it was put in there to protect the people in long pico And one of those guys at the meeting said That he had his arm twisted to be there. Yeah, that's what you said Okay, I agree with that and I'm going I didn't want to get into that We're done. Okay. I'm we're done I we're done We are now going to talk about the administrative Committee and we have oh, we have a whole bunch of people applying Andy back there You're applying right? Will and can you tell us why you want to be on that committee? I would like to be involved in uh water and water policy in my community Okay, that's pretty straightforward to answer And um So another person that we have that Let's see. Is anybody else here that applied for that committee? Yeah, I am my name's chris white Okay, okay chris white That's right. You did and Do you have A reason why you want to be on that committee? Uh, it would essentially echo the same exact reason as this gentleman And I mean I have legitimate concerns that this board has no reserves. This board has no strategic plan Um, you know those things concern me as a resident of this valley So if I just think great if I can't I'm okay with it too Well, there is a strategic plan for the district There is one that needs to be looked at. You're right. It needs to be gone over So, um I don't know if it'd be a problem if we had two people on that committee Does that throw things off? I mean it still takes three to make a decision Just two of their applicants will be not here today. They aren't here. They aren't here. I did receive um emails from several of the applicants and saying that they were are very interested and unfortunately they had other Commitments on this evening. So they were not Would not be able to make it right but they are still very interested and Asked that their Be read Okay Yes, please read. So Tina tow boulder creek resident and her Application states have a master's degree in environmental science. I currently work in social science I would like to use my earth science knowledge for public good. I think there should be more scientists in leadership roles And Tina attached her resume with work experience listed Currently field interviewer data collection for national opinion research at university of chicago The next person was malice jarvis bounds a boulder creek resident Her application stated i'm a 15 year resident of boulder creek.  I have been a paralegal for almost 40 years I want to take my experience in the legal field to assist our local community by serving On the sandruns valley water district administrative committee I believe my experience will be valuable to committee and appreciate being considered to this position And then chris she chruses here chruses here. So those are the uh four people Um Well, so I was going to suggest is that perhaps you might want to consider appointing three people to this committee That would be a total of five three Community members. I know from my service on this committee Previously that there is an enormous amount of work that has been pending for quite some time and I think additional Hands might be A good way to make this committee Uh move through things faster Okay, so we have chris white here and we have andy been Here and so I'm I would uh like to put them on the committee of somebody else has an idea on the A third person I'm I'm open to suggestions And he's I I support The director full says suggestion i mean reading uh miss jarvis founds Application i'm impressed with her background and would like to see those three members Four years of paralegal assistance sounds like a good asset to have Okay All righty, so I will suggest that Miss bounds and the two People that are here tonight That we pick them tony. I'm I'm just curious now. How would they all be able to vote? Yep Yeah might get a little wild This is an experiment kind of Trying to involve more people but When it comes right down to the boards the board the three Committee members might want to outvote us and then we're going to have a little A little issue. It's only it's only the sort of thing that they make recommendations. Yes. No, they Yeah, it's just recommendations and I just I did have that one one thought where they you could have one person be the member and the other two be the I'm Alternate but that isn't in the policy right now. So I I think that's a good idea But we've got people tonight. It's not in the board policy. So we got to work with that Okay, all right Okay, thank you All right Do we have a motion and uh Okay, I thought I just got to do it I'm not y'all powerful You may think you are I would move approval of antebeck or chris white and emulous javas founts as the three new public members of the administration committee Thank you. Okay. Thank you Okay, next in the list is the budget chair henry. I recommend that the motion include um A uh mention uh as to what the new size of the committee is to oh, okay. You want to do that I will append my motion with the following words that those three new public members will now constitute A five member committee made up of two board members and those three public members for the duration of Is there a second is it did I hear a bob second it? Okay, so we okay you want to call it Just director falls. Yes director smallman Director swan. Yes, president henry. Yes, director bruce. Yes, okay so next is the budget committee And do we have any of the people who applied for that committee here tonight? Leanne sanders and lily So we don't have anybody Who'd like me to read the applications? Yes, go ahead and read the application. So lily hamak from felton lump pika I have always volunteered and been active where I live See work in volunteering summary with reference. I have experience to be considered for the budget finance committee Being retired. I have both days and evenings available for attended meetings. Thank you lily hamak attached to resume as well Most recent employment was bookkeeper for highland ranch's property own association ending in July of 2012 It looks like she's been bookkeeper at a number of places until about the 2012 2014 time period And I believe was a On the lab on committee briefly, but resigned from it for I'm not clear, but did resign from it. Yes. The second person is li alan sanders from felton And his application says why I li alan sanders want to serve in the budget finance committee For slvwd attend listen and take part in budget finance committee meetings Learn what current practices are in place Discuss what best practices are currently in use Study and understand what the budgetary and financial structure of slvw currently is Discover how to help improve processes in my area of assigned focus Help keep ratepayers informed about budget and finance committee approaches to challenges Be available ratepayers to receive input from customers Offer program and project management skills to the slvwd budget finance committee Um, li is currently Employed in gallery management Um, but I believe the significant work experience was at plan tronics as a marketing manager For 24 years ending in uh, december of 2004 Okay, so I think we can only pick one person here It's kind of awkward to try to pick two Um I I just feels because it's it's It's an even number seems like it ought to be a I mean we could do it a committee's a recommendation based only doesn't really right. That's true So I all right, then let's go ahead and pick two We'll pick both of them. Okay the bench Okay, who wants to make a motion? I move that we Accept lydia hammock and Lee alan sanders as members of the Sandler's value water district budget finance committee with a membership of four a second any Anybody in the audience want to say something about this? No, okay um You want to call for the vote director falls. Yes Director smallman Yes, director bruce. Yes Oh, yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah I was looking ahead. Sorry Pay attention loss Okay Um, well, we had quite a few people on the engineering committee. It's really hard one um Is there anybody here tonight that volunteered for And you are jolt I lost I may know you but It's been a while. Yeah other people might not anybody else Oh Lou, how can I forget you Lou? I don't know I was sitting in the corner, I guess. Mm-hmm. Okay So should I say something if I have something to say? Yeah, you can say something I I don't know that Joel wanted to say anything other than hi, right? Did you want to say something? Okay, all right I have just a few comments. Hopefully my voice will cooperate In 2014 I served at the pleasure of the board of directors on the citizens action committee addressing issues from the first ranger report And the next three years I attended most of the slbwd Board of directors meetings engaging in critical engaging in mission critical issues like fiscal restraint and prioritizing infrastructure repairs Now that the water district has finally committed significant time and money to crumbling infrastructure I'm offering my time and furthering this effort I believe my familiarity with the slbwd couple of my experience in designing manufacturing and selling and validating High-volume high-purity water systems the world over makes me uniquely qualified to serve on the engineering committee And finally and it looks like this has already been Decided upon. I recommend that based on superior qualifications for several engineering committee candidates I encourage the board to consider placing more than one citizen member on the engineering committee. Thanks for your time and consideration Okay so Unless you want to read these others or I already know who I I do think that we need to This is mark slowly recently moved without them incidentally coming involved in the local community My previous community involvement includes serving on the board of a non-profit organization for six years rebuilding together I found the experience to be rewarding and informative In addition, my professional experience gives me an understanding of the water district services In my role as a construction project manager for the last 20 years I supervise the engineering construction of utilities including major water pipeline installations in addition I manage the installation of groundwater production and monitoring wells and attach this resume Looks like most recent employment was at apple Project manager for construction of all utilities on the new campus. Wow. That's a big that was a big project Yeah, the old hpe campus Next person susan miracle Her statement i'm fairly new to the mountains and like the opportunity to get involved in the community I'd like to better understand my water supply. I'd like to understand my water supply better She wrote it the way I just read it not the way I tried to read it I have a power electronics engineer with lockheed martin. I've been an h.o president and teacher Joel of course was here and worked in the Felton system, I believe No, Joel didn't work in the Felton system. Sorry His work for seven years. SLVWD. I'm sorry Doug Fraser I am an experienced water engineer with over 40 years of experience in design construction operation and maintenance of industrial municipal water systems My most applicable experience to SLVWD was as a technical Services manager and senior project engineer at Cal Am's modernity system I also worked in the Felton system prior to turnover to SLVWD. That's the first time I'm thinking of it And managed the transition managed projects of all the pipeline main replacement. Well, we have tank construction We have arsenic treatment as our diesel Close to a year working for the Santa Cruz water department roles engineer at Graham Hill water treatment plant Particularly looking at watershed issues and impacts of seasonal water quality in the system I believe I'm qualified and familiar with the unique issues facing SLVWD And as a rate payer who's frankly shocked at the increase in the experience I think I can line the critical objective eye to oversight Please refer to my linton profile here. It gives a link can't wait And then but that's the five people Okay, so I think we ought to pick three and I my choices Not necessarily in the order. I'm going to read them. I'm just going to go through I I think mark Smolley Smolley. Is that how you say his name? I think he'd Be great. He's got construction project management Things Joel He knows everything there is to know about this water district Don't do so. So I would like to see him And Lou Ferriss also So if there's Any of you want to say who you'd like to have? Yeah, I'm agreement with My vote anyway is Joel and Mr. Joel Bielza, and but I Kind of like the Doug Frazier better than Anyway, my vote goes for Whatever that Mr. Smolley My preference is echo yours. Okay. Thank you Um, what about you Steve? I like all three of those that you've mentioned most And Bob? Yeah, I agree Okay, any remarks from the audience? No, why not take all of them? Just too many people too many people They all sound wonderful We would spend a whole lot of time arguing Right Which is I mean it's fine But you got to be able to come to some kind of inclusion of what you want to recommend to the board So, um any other comments from the audience? So I I'm I I think four of us went along with my idea Of who should be on the committee On the boarder. I'll just make a motion. Okay. I move that we accept Mark Smolley Joel Bielza and Moot Ferris As members of the engineering committee with a committee membership of five Seconded Director Falls. Yes, director Smallman. All right Director Swan. Yes president Henry. Yes Director Bruce. Yes All right Uh Just one comment. I mean I I think it was great that so many people Applied it is I think almost unprecedented and for those people that didn't get appointed to a committee We are going to be looking for other ways to Bring more citizen involvement into the district This is our third meeting and we haven't got all those plans lined up yet, but we are I do want to make sure that there's a place for everybody that wants to serve And learn about a water district that there's a place for that to do so Do we uh, just a question. Do we reply to the candidates that weren't selected and thank them for participating and invite them? Yes, yeah, and they can be in They can come to meetings let them know when meetings are And comment comment one thing about committee meetings. There are a lot More relaxed And people get to comment more And It would just be nice if all these people who've applied Because it's it is great. This is just not happened. Um, I'd like to see him come to these meetings And participate even if they don't have a vote. They've still got a voice So um We have one more and that is the water oversight committee And Deborah lawn would you like to I mean she's done this I don't know how many times but would you like to stand up? And give your qualifications for this committee I would be happy to give an abbreviated version since I've been giving pretty extensive ones in the past um I've sort of done several committees in long pico the last one being the citizen advisory Which did a lot of work on preparing the community for answering all the questions about the merger so in that life i'm very very familiar with all the items that have to be done on the Assessment district the engineers report. I'm very My husband and I have been contractors for over 30 years and we had a business and I'm very familiar with understanding plans and project management And I know that there are a lot of questions in long pico that have remained Answered and I think it's really time to address those Really excited about answering To moving this committee into a whole new realm and that is as defined by the grand jury report and also in the platform of The three of you who ran You extended even beyond with the grand jury minimum requirements were to make this a really viable committee And I fully support that and I'm really looking forward to doing that and I'm so happy to be able to apply Thank you Okay So I would like to recommend that we pick Deborah lawn for this committee a second Okay, so that was a motion I just recommended I didn't make a motion. I'll make a motion to point Deborah lawn to the lettuce committee And and just real quickly What I wanted to mention before is the lettuce committee is a different animal than the public committee So I'll leave it that that's what I wanted to talk about earlier. But anyway, I make a motion that Deborah lawn as the One Want to call for a vote Anybody want to talk Anybody else Okay Do you want to call the vote? Uh Director post yes, director smallman Director swan Enthusiastically yes president henry. Yes director Bruce. Yes Okay, the next item on the agenda and I'm gonna Turn this over to rick I will turn it over to our vile mental analysts and gen T to the introduction the quick little Brief description of what this is about and then I'll and then I'll go a little bit more detail about the projects so We've been talking for a long time about the usda loans that we're getting to that we're hoping to get in order to fund some of the cip projects and So this is an initial study, which is a requirement from sepula in order This is like the initial step to do the sepula permitting for two of the projects that are in that bundle This is This is not required that we actually bring this to the board tonight But it kind of gives an extra layer of transparency in order to to um bring it to the public We do have like Dave was saying earlier sepula has sort of just like minimal requirements to just Provide information and have it available. It's not necessary that we actually Bring into a public meeting to open up the comment period We do um, we will be posting it if it passes you guys accept the initial study tonight and we can move forward with the process This is just being a first step and then we will um Put it in the newspaper and send out notifications to neighbors and all the things so that you will know that this is happening And have an opportunity to comment on the initial study through the sepula process And then you will have the board in and I believe March February 21st the public hearing will be held And that will be here at the board meeting. So this is just opening up the comment period. They have 30 days to comment on on the project and And then they can also Make any comments if they have any questions or concerns about the project and the environmental impacts that are associated with the project So I'll quickly read read the um description for the projects just so people know what's going on This is for two pipeline projects the lion zone pipeline the lion zone water distribution system project Consistently placing six inch water distribution line in the lion and big steel zones with approximately 5600 linear feet of 12 inch ductile iron pipe The new pipeline will parallel the existing eight inch line preferably in the same easement beginning with the big steel lion And little steel lion reservoirs and ending at the intersection of central avenue on lowman street in boulder creek The current pipeline goes through homeowners yards underhouses Making maintenance a challenge past analysis That if the existing line were upsized The water could flow from the lion tank and big steel reservoirs Up on the hill above boulder creek To the the reeder blackstone and bear creek reservoirs, but there are other tanks And that would add flexibility to utilize multiple supply sources throughout the water Pressure release valve you will need to be installed as well And then we have another tank our pipeline that is the sequoia avenue pipeline project and the sequoia avenue pipeline project is um Event water losses and surface out service outages in the reeder pressure zone The existing six inch cast iron pipe is an extremely poor condition Experiencing two breaks annually which results in major water loss Several hundred customers service is interrupted to fix these breaks And the proposed project consists of the following to remove 800 feet of existing six inch pipe Located above ground and supported by aging redwood timbers along the sequoia avenue And then installing 800 feet of eight inch hdpe water main and appartenances to replace the existing above ground section of pipeline along the sequoia avenue Alignment of the new main will be out in the out would be in the sequoia avenue right away in the road Purvane is required to confirm the location of the right away and abandon the old section of road The the new pipe will be constructed above ground on supports and the construction includes connections to existing surface laterals fire hydrants as requested by the fire department And to district standards So that's kind of a brief overview of what's going on and then there's more detail in the initial study All the detail you could ever want even the features of it. Yeah And so if you're interested in it Review it make comments you can either submit them in writing or or come to the next or the board meeting in february 21st to See those comments There isn't anything we do tonight So what you do what I'm what we're what we're recommending is that the board approve the initial study And um and open up the comment period So approve initially approve the county initial study and then you'll have another opportunity to To approve the initial study. Okay after the comment period. Okay So bill, uh, I was just wondering how much this report cost Yeah, that is a good question. I don't know that number off the top of my head Approximately You know that we are working with ring con Associates to do the permitting for the usda loans and I it's all part of the the usda loan package As we're doing this with the WSC. This is a portion of I can get you a break. Can you figure that out for me? I can get it for you. I don't even know more often. Okay the initial ring on overall was only around like 80,000 There's other pipelines that you just don't see here because they're like the california drive pipeline It's all in the pavement. So it doesn't require this type of review the inroad Pipelines in the page These two of pipelines have sections of pipeline that are going through possibly related fraud habitat and other types of habitats while they're outlying Right, so this is I didn't mention that this is unmitigated negative declaration Which requires an initial study and the other pipelines will be a negative deck. So there won't be an initial study associated with those $80,000 is Approximately the going rate for this kind of Any Yeah, a few questions Approximately how much of the pipe is going to be above ground versus below ground on these problems Uh, I would say on just these two projects here um 100% 99.9% underground Okay, underground. Yes underground. That's correct. I thought it It's sequoia. Well sequoia may be On the cross country part I can't give you that exactly that sequoia will be where it goes across some timber It'll be above ground, but it's a very small part Um, and I know uh lion's own it goes down how much you 36 I can get Yeah, I mean I'm general principle above ground pipes Well, sequoia's Access is almost impossible to get in with heavy equipment You could but then you do a lot more damage to the environment to do right now. It's 100% above ground That's a lot of the problem, but it's the type of pipe that you use to let it joint some well and steel In a heavily tempered area and redwood timbers over the years disintegrated You dry rot. It's couched. How old is it? It's old It's old There's some of that above ground and that'll be done probably most likely with hdpd pipe, which is a more flexible Pipe that What for the part that's above ground? What will be the expected life of that pipe versus the life of the pipe below ground? I don't I can get that question for you. You probably should know that as part of a I think it's going to be about the same because the pipe is 100 year pipes or better Or they haven't determined what the lives of that pipe is yet because I'm hoping to use this as a first entry into the new inventory I believe we want to do What is the lifespan of this report that we're adopting that it doesn't have an expiration At which point we would have to redo it by re-spending more money No, I don't believe it expires and the projects are not scheduled to be constructed until 2020 for the line pipeline and 2021 for the sequoia pipeline, I believe I important That is assuming we do get the funds and everything goes through but yes, these don't expire and so Conditions don't change which we don't expect them to Never expire. I've never seen a government report that doesn't have an expires. I mean, they should be good until we do the project This is for the installation of the pipe and once you know, it's Well, one of the reasons I believe it's going to require the reason I'm asking is let's say something goes sideways with the usda And there's a lot of really weird things I Well, I don't know So we're holding right now with the usda until the government reels. It's got a commitment and we're locked in at an interest rate But do we have do we have a commitment from them in writing that they are going to definitely do it? And it's just a matter of Well, I would be really really great I did not know we had something right. Well, we haven't we haven't We've gotten the document we haven't emailed from them, you know, it's not like on They were hesitant as we signed the final papers the day before the government shut down and And there's a comment says just be careful on releasing this because we are going to the government shut down But the guy that sent the email was in a position to make that commitment not a We have not gotten the official But that's why we haven't brought that to you. I I appreciate that Okay, uh, Margaret Margaret you want to say some a question along the lines The mr. Phillips raised about the above ground pipelines Even underground pipelines can be vulnerable to certain impacts What we saw in the campfire in the Santa Rosa fires was that they burned hot enough To actually burn the pipes melt the pipes underground Correct. Is there I know you and I talked about how incredibly Horrible that impact would be for us if our watersheds were to burn Is there any information about the kind of pipe that would withstand Those circumstances better like I don't I don't know if it was plastic pipe under the ground HTP product, you know, the ductile iron pipe would probably would not have The htp if it melted we would have much much bigger problems But if if you're if you're putting the htp Above ground for its flexibility. Does that also give us some vulnerability to fire? You know, we try to design out as much as possible There are certain things that We would know that that would could be possible It's a lot easier to install all of us Bring that heavy ductile iron pipe Most the trenching in the above ground and you'd have to trench for sure You know, there's ways to do it, but then you start really escalating the price Steve, did you want to say anything? Above you Is there a Some of the answers yes, but how much is the difference in cost between the htp and the Yeah, I couldn't give you that without doing the cost analysis Particularly for the part that's above ground. Yeah, we'd have to do cost analysis I'm not throwing any prices out with the type of prices we've got back I wouldn't even begin without us just setting down engineers estimates or rappelling them I mean, that's been our experience in the last two But I think would be interesting to know Relatives at least twice as much If it's easy enough to replace it's like a oh well it burned it melted here's another piece and we replace it Without too much disruption to the system Or is it so disrupted to the system that it might be worthwhile investing in the ductile iron above ground Because replacing that particular two-foot section is just such a pain in the neck I'll break down on what they in that area more a well-detected that has ground movement that area also has ground movement it's not just the limited area with steep It does have ground movement in that area There's a slide around the corner from it and there's other slides that You know, it's a pretty typical You need to put it in a slinky But you would get a well-detected But it's not too untypical in the rest of our distribution system And bill you want to say something? Oh, well, yeah, HTP is just really I mean, I know the statistics are a lot of because it's very durable It's light and easy to install in these areas Etc. Etc. So what you said Margaret that's what spot on I think a lot of these can just be replaced right away. There was So I think it's worth it. It's the worth the risk of that one section might melt or whatever And then we could just replace it rather than spend the extra money for this. You really need that water to fight a fire Yeah, I'm just saying So, uh Margaret wouldn't you like to make a Motion here Well, after we have public comment Well, you can make the motion and then we're gonna have any public comment out there Lou Rick if I may I think the cost differential of the piping itself Would not be as substantial as one might think but the installation cost is very substantial And that's where the cost of this comes in Just to make that Yeah, I was thinking the same thing that director Bruce said at the at the end that One of the benefits that I've heard about in addition to increased water pressure of the larger mains is It would provide Superior firefighting capabilities because they'd be able to get more water But If the pipe melted would that cause a serious impact on the ability to fight fires that would be just one thing that Hopped into my head immediately when we're talking about it Well, if we had a forest fire It's going to be fought from the air what the What really affects forest fires though is if If buildings get out of control and that's where the firemen come in and our our pipes are our Hydrants to fight house fires to keep them from spreading to the forest And if if we don't get those taken care of we're in big trouble Yeah, is there any other comments? Okay, I first off I would like to acknowledge that this was actually a really cool study to read and and I thought it was very well done I haven't had a chance to go swimming in a sequel study in a while and it was a nice deep dive It's like reading two novels So I would like to move approval of this initial study and open this public comment period time and hope other people will Geek out on it as much as I did Okay, I'm hauling Director pulse. Yes Director smallman Director swan. Yes president Henry. Yes Director Bruce. Yes Okay So the next item on the Agenda is SLVWD prohibit Being prohibit I can't of glyphosate So discussion and Possible action for the board to prohibit twice the fade so Bill Well, actually You know, I wanted to make this resolution but my understanding is that we need to do it and create an invasive test management plan So that's the only reason why I can't think We even needed to do this but that said What I don't agree with and because we are going to ban glyphosate That's simple. I mean, that's that's what the voters spoke in and that's what we're going to do And that's what's going to be in the base of this management plan So this resolution and what I I think that what we just need to scratch out that this is a permanent ban We should just go ahead and vote on a permanent ban And we don't need we should just cross out the words until the Integrated test management plan is developed and just cross that out And just ban glyphosate Period and then and then we'll get to work on this invasive Test management plan as soon as possible and get that passed and that plan Will ban or any herbicide or pesticide Period, but my understanding is the reason why we have to make that plan is like vinegar is actually a A pesticide, but it's a completely safe Project. I mean that that's like the herb is only a pesticide So I mean it needs so that in the base of Pest management plan needs to you know need some complex language because there are Herbicides and pesticides that are completely, you know Same But we want to we basically want to ban all you know the thing so I mean I'm in favor of this I just think we just need to cross out the thing and then make a permanent plan If I just quick let's be interjected And discussion The intent was to bring this to the board and to do your ban, but to do a A permanent ban if that's what the board so be the desires as part of the integrated past management plan To give it the right forms a wet event or let it get through the process let transparency Let the people review it Public meetings on through the environmental committee and that's what the board's plan is to or that's what the decision is to ban it for ban as part of the pest management Integrated pest management policy and that's all have All you know, we also have other areas in the district that we use for like vector control that used to be reviewed And possibly we want to reach out as part of the integrated pest management to other agencies utilizing Herbicides in the watershed, you know, not just the district. It's a full Integrated pest management. I know general public want to speak to it a little bit more But I think we should go through the process and then in the meanwhile a little bat me we You'll have a band on a band on it, but Give the process and transparency and people to talk on or you can just move, you know Obviously the board can just move right ahead and do what they want. Well, yeah The board is big on transparency and like to work with people Yeah, well my my concern is that what you're saying is that there's wiggle room that the Invest or pest management plan will approve the use of glyphosate. That's not what I'm saying Well, then then it should be okay. I'm just scratch the scratch the Second half of that sentence and make the best of the band on glyphosate I don't even go through a process that leads up to whatever you want to do And it's the process worries me more than just the band. It's how to get I like to be as transparent as possible with it and give everybody a chance But you can the board can, you know, obviously do what they want my friend, you know, they want to just go on out now band Yes, that's within the board's power to I thought we go through the process And that's what we have for the board that's kind of I want to say I know Jen do you want to add anything to an opening statement? I'd like to read that The reason I went okay, and I just, I didn't, and staff wasn't prepared tonight to To debate the supply chain That wasn't the intent of tonight The intent to get a fan or stop the rest of these questions Good You want to say anything? Let's go to the other one There may be a demo? Yeah, please The district owns over 2,000 acres of land which is managed for water supply The vast majority of that land is redwood for which no herbicide is used for any reason One parcel owned by the district contains 40 acres of critical habitat Six endangered species confirmed on the site Several species of special concern and a large number of endemic species which occur which occur only in sandhills habitat Due to historic human activities such as mining, development, invasive species introduction The vast majority of sandhills habitat which is once widespread in Zandalland Valley has been lost or degraded There's a total of 57 acres of sand park land habitat The classification is for the highest quality sandhills habitat left in the world The Zandalland Valley water district owns 14 of that 57 acres 24 percent 25 percent 24.7 percent to be precise Of that 57 acres, okay in in 2017 the board adopted a plan to manage invasive species Which are threatening to degrade to further degrade sand parkland habitat on the site For the past two years the district has worked to manage the invasive species and to protect sensitive habitat and biodiversity The district has conducted Stump treatment on a total of 16 acres With varying densities of french broom and portuguese broom prioritizing highest quality habitat in adjacent areas to prevent further spread of invasive species into sensitive habitat areas The second priority was to remove brooms that are outliers to prevent new dense patches Of broom from taking hold and spreading around the property a total of 16 ounces um two cups of non-monsanto brand glyphosate Has um approximately one ounce per acre has been used and the cost for the labor materials was for the both years $13,000 $310 Monitoring efforts following the treatment have shown that the cut stump treatments have then 100 effective with no resprouting from the treated stumps Removal of the broom has resulted in The return of rare and endangered flora such as benlymon spine flower to areas where dense broom patches were removed broom brooms have a seed bank that can last up to 50 years ongoing maintenance of those will be critical for those areas treated Or they will germinate and begin dropping seed within three years The city of stanakruze has hired a Consultant to prepare an integrated pest management plan The city is still in the scoping phase And this witness memo was prepared The budget to prepare the document was $50,000 and the date for completion has not yet been set um the initial scope includes the necessary extensive community engagement to ensure an acceptable Integrated pest management policy is adopted If I may say something I think the people the residents of The san lorenzo valley water district have spoken They do not want glyphosate used And I know in I think it was may of 17 You're going to have a blue ribbon panel. You were going to see about getting a pull Permit various things and none of that's been done I think that We don't really know the true effects of glyphosate And what does it do? What does it do? I mean if you go to the Zion fire station and stand there At night in the summertime you hear all these frogs and crickets and all this There's butterflies and what does this do to those species? Do we know? Do we know if this bothers a june beetle as anybody? Captured some june needles since this was done and see if there's any Poison in their system. I I mean what do we know it reminds me of dbt? And people said oh no way We can't stop using dbt because the bugs are going to destroy our crops Well, that didn't happen You have I know exactly what you think and you're not going to change my mind Change your mind, but I just want to let you know that we know a lot about it Glyphosate is probably the most well-studied chemical ever in the history of chemicals And so we know a lot about it and and it and it Most likely is carcinogenic And that's what the studies are showing and those carcinogenic effects are Directly related to exposure time of exposure and duration of exposure. So People who are working with glyphosate on a regular basis The one case where the man won the case the court case Because he had cancer due exposure to glyphosate was a Groundkeeper for a school and was using it without personal protective equipment on a regular basis and was was Repetitively exposed to the chemical. So that is that is where the risk comes in There's a risk for every kind of thing and I'm not trying to change your mind but just to answer your question we do know a lot about it and and the research is in and And a human being is a lot bigger than a frog And a june beetle So how much? You don't really know how much it affects the little critters Right, but what I would and my only response to that and I'm still I'm not trying to change anyone's mind But I would say that when you have a dense patch of invasive species that are crowding out The habitat for for a sensitive habitat with a lot of endangered species that are adapted for um nutrient You know Sandhills habitat and we have a a big dense patch of brooms come in there The impacts are Significant and if you use if you and the studies have shown that if you're using the glyphosate in a Very careful way that you're only getting it on the broom The other species will come back and so And that has been demonstrated at the Mount Herman quarry Through jenny McGraw's work and I've talked to her personally about that and she's done hundreds of acres of restoration In sandhills habitat and it has resulted in the recovery of many of the endangered species on that land Right, and I've seen other things that are totally different So I I mean I don't want this to become a huge issue tonight I think that we need is I Think we need to stop using it. I think we need to ban it and We can start my husband hated the broom He was insane about it. He was a quiet guy, but if you got going on broom, he was insane There's no broom on my property Because he's yanking it out every time he had A chance and we haven't even applied for a pole permit No, I know that but I live amongst a beautiful redwood trees Fat, you know, I'm not going to argue with Well, you can say your thing Is that what you want to say? Okay No, let's we got to let the public talk At you can talk Bob So I wanted to make sure I understood what you were writing in in your memo, which I do appreciate you putting that together Um, do we know when we acquired these uh, 14 acres? It was part of the olivia water ship company in 77 77 It was acquired from the Ferrari company it was slated for development and the water district recognized it as an important groundwater supply Location and important for groundwater recharge. So at that time the district purchased the property from the Ferrari Are the 57 acres When you say total 57 acres, is that the only High high quality sandhills habitat left because I heard you say that jody had worked on hundreds of sandhills Right. So sandhills is really a varying um There's varying qualities of sandhill habitats. You can have sand Where you're not getting a lot of the endangered species In the areas where you're getting a lot of the endangered species that are and it's a really nice habitat That's called the sand parkland habitat. There's only 57 acres of that And are those contiguous? They're not So our 14 acres are sort of separate from all the other 40 Well, the 14 acres is contiguous to some of it, but there are other parts that are that are Not contiguous Of the acres that are contiguous or the other who are the other property owners? The land trust is right next door and the mayor easement is right there. Those are also sand parkland habitat Are all the other owners Managing their Broom in the same fashion. Yes and have the same commitment to get rid of it Obviously, we don't want that, you know, Broom doesn't care about, you know Boundless, right? I grew up where there was a lot of Broom and I tell you it was one of my jobs when I was a kid to pull it Okay,