This youth and truth, how it came about is in the last three decades that I've been active with people, this has been a constant refrain that many, many people, thousands of them have said the same thing. It's a bit… can you move this little away from me please? They've been asking the same question. They keep telling me, Satguru, twenty-five years ago, where were you? When I was twenty, why didn't you come?  So I decided we'll step out and meet all those people who are below twenty-five years of age and that's why we are here. Because what… what we are referring to as life, I'm shouting a little bit, what we are referring to as life is essentially a certain combination of time and energy. We can make many things out of it, but essentially this life is a certain amount of time and certain amount of energy. Time is rolling away for all of us at the same time. It's rolling away at the same pace.  It's the energy that we can manage. When you're youthful or when you're in that segment of life which is referred to as youth, this is the time when your energies are at their peak and they're at the highest. Most youth do not understand this, that this level of energy, the intensity of energy is with you only in this stage of life, it's not going to last for a long time. Most youth will not understand this right now, but you must look at the older people and see they were also youth and it's happened to them and it's going to happen to you. So when your energies are at its peak, if only if you can bring a little more clarity and balance into your life, this energy could become a phenomenal force both for yourself and for the society and the country and the world that we live in. So it's in this context that this youth and truth has been launched. We hope that we will be able to bring some sense of clarity and balance into your life. After this is over, this is going on for about three to four months, after this is over, we will also offer tools for transformation which will be available for all of you free of cost. It doesn't cost anything. Certain people are sponsoring this thing, so it is going to go out on the platforms that we have, the online platforms, simple things that you can do with your body and your mind so that your body and your mind never works against you. When I say your body and your mind never works against you, people are calling it by many names, people call it stress, anxiety, misery, madness, whatever you want to call it. All these things are essentially this, that your intelligence has somehow turned against you, that's all there is. Yes? If your intelligence turns against you, there is no force in the universe which can save you. So it's very, very important at this stage in your life, you make your body and your mind in such a way your intelligence and your energy never works against you. There are enough people in the world to work against you. Leave it to them. You don't have to work against yourself. Once, see right now the situation is this, most people don't need any enemies, they are doing fine by themselves. I don't want you to be one of them. Please. I'm in the dock today, so. Satguru, it's nice to have you here. I hope you have an interesting and insightful discussion with you and thanks for the audience for coming in such large numbers. So as moderators we have prepared about twelve questions of which one is a social media question. A significant portion of these questions are contemporary issues debated across the nation and especially in Dal Saha, so we made sure that we asked them. The breakup would be about one hour would be the moderator discussion and forty minutes of, forty minutes we leave it to the audience to ask questions. One thing to point out here is that when we, when all three of the moderators personally met Sadhguru about half an hour ago, he told us to be completely fearless in the kind of questions we can ask him with absolutely no restriction. So thanks for that sir and we'll make sure we do that. Because a question can never be wrong, only an answer can be wrong. So only I have a problem you don't have so. So some of these questions are contextual so we'll make sure that we explain the context so even the audience understands where this discussion is going and then we'll proceed with the question. Fine, so I think we'll start with the first question. So Satguru shall we begin? Yes sir. So I thought a good way to begin the conversation would be to pick up a question on first impressions. How did you foresee I will come and read today? Just to coincide with foresee it. So I thought a good way to begin the conversation would be to pick up a question on first impressions. So I mean both you and I would have heard the popular phrases little knowledge is dangerous knowledge and don't judge the book by its cover. So how do you weigh these expressions when we think of the concept of first impressions? As I understand it first impressions are mental images that we create when we see someone or hear someone and the first interaction that we have with that person. So and it's also possible that our first impressions are wrong. So are first impressions something which confuses your mind or is it something which gives you initial clarity? So and why is it that I mean how do we control our mind from racing? That's a long question. You have heard of the term love at first sight. So these things used to this is a British expression these things used to happen when the genders had not met they were secluded largely. So the first time a young girl with her parents in a carriage she was going and you looked at her she looked at you like this. It's been a long time since you saw a girl's face instantly okay. But that doesn't happen anymore because they're always around you you take your time which is a good thing. So I don't think you should make any impression of anything or anybody just by simply looking at it once unless you have become such a mistake that if you see you just know okay. Why I'm saying this is see I spent a whole lot of my time and life just paying attention to things because when I was very young I realized when I was just four four and a half years of age I realized I don't know anything because I don't know anything I started paying attention to everything smallest things if I find a pebble I will be looking at it for hours if I find a leaf I will be looking at it for many hours if I sit on my bed in the darkness I'm just staring at the darkness for the whole night. My dear father being a physician he started thinking I need psychiatric evaluation because this boy is simply staring at something for hours on end without blinking it looks like he's lost his mind. My problem is I look at this and I don't know what this is so I'm not able to shift my eyes to that so I just stay with this. This went on like this and in this condition they sent me to school. My mother said you must pay attention to the teacher. I went and paid attention to the teacher the kind of attention they would have never received in their life. About nine years ago this school where I studied almost 40 45 years ago 45 years ago they invited me for their 125th anniversary the trustees came to invite me I said see why me because I was not just a not good student I was not even a student I only went to school when it was a must most of the time nobody noticed me and I just vanished somewhere so I said why me I'm not a good example for your students they said our school has produced union ministers our school has produced cricketing stars film stars you are the only mystic you must come I said okay and I went there I stood up to speak in the quarter angle I just looked around the same operative buildings you have a fantastic you know a campus it's a fortune because it's not just about education it's about living in a certain atmosphere is a very important thing for learning so these are city schools which are like that then I looked at this classroom and I suddenly remembered I was just 12 years of age one afternoon the teacher is trying to get some response from me those days I'm made like this for many days I won't utter a single word when you don't know anything what to say I'm still trying to drink up the world nothing to say so this man is asking question I'm just looking at him after some time I don't even hear what he's saying if I look at him I know his past present and future I can tell him everything about his life but I don't know what the hell he's talking because I never listen to anybody I just look at them so if you're able to look at people like that then it's okay otherwise definitely looking at the appearance of a person if you're making judgment or appearance of a situation if you're making a judgment especially you're going to be lawyers by looking at what people are saying if you make a judgment they will be telling all kinds of stories to you so you never make any impression you need to delve into certain things so whether it's individual people or situations aspects of life or decisions we need to make it's best that we get the maximum input out of whatever we are looking at because otherwise we will go on regretting what we have done people who spend time in regret they won't do much in life because it consumes so much energy um a related question there's sometimes we have these certain instincts in us that direct us to do certain things popularly known as gut feelings so do you think do you think the youth must act on these gut feelings or should we reject it what is your take on gut feelings and instincts there is something called as gut feeling and there's also something called as being scared you know so when people don't know which way to go some things move in their gut don't understand always that as some kind of an intuition or some kind of an insight into life most people feel their guts only when you say he has guts means what it guts didn't move so fear is considered gut feeling by a whole lot of people don't go by that but there is a certain in the yogic culture today modern science is also recognizing this in the yogic culture we identify a certain dimension of intelligence in the stomach a certain dimension of intelligence means if we have to this is what i am going to say is very simplistic if you find loopholes you ask question otherwise i will pass okay if you ask questions i will cover those loopholes but because i'm saying it in such a brief manner there will be loopholes see you eat a piece of bread within a few hours it gets transformed into a human being isn't it so is it a tremendous amount of intelligence hello if i can take a piece of bread in my hand and make this into a human being who do you think i am hello creator himself isn't it must be god if i can take a piece of bread and make it into a human being this is it this you're doing in your stomach obviously there is a certain dimension of intelligence it is not in the form of thought but it's a different time it's not intellect but it's an intelligence is there a way to access that intelligence yes even if a drop of that intelligence enters your life you will do things magically not miserably if you do things only with your logic everything becomes quite miserable because you will have to go through logical steps for everything you will not know anything just by looking at it so it is important to develop that dimension of intelligence but as i said whenever there is confusion and fear people will feel a pit in the stomach that should not be understood as the gut intelligence of the gut so sadhu the next two three questions the next two three questions revolve around this lawyer you shouldn't warn me what is the next question you must shoot i'm so the broad theme of the next two three questions revolves around the concept of pit of nationalism of of allegiance to the country so my question basically concerns your response to gautam gambir's question wherein gautam gambir was of the opinion that people should be compelled to stand up for the national anthem and he was surprised as to how this was even a topic of debate as i understand you agreed with him with the only qualifier being that if somebody is disabled he should not be forced and i'm i'm not looking at it please complete the process i'm not looking at so simplistic but so sadhu my question is that should we not allow people to find out what their own interpretations of loyalty and allegiance are i mean we we walk we we walk unaffected when women are raped we walk unaffected when women are raped we we we stop dalits from from entering public facilities there are so many injustices that we do so we can do one more no i mean just because we just just because we go to the cinema and before gangs of wassup we stand up for the national anthem how does that become the criteria for having allegiance to the nation of being a patriot to the nation looks like it's a very popular question see let's look at it this way a nation when we say a nation all nations on the planet are not in the same state of development evolution and social and other realities are not in the same state looking at india as a nation we are trying to make this a nation still there is no real nation because still a whole lot of people are identified with their caste creed you know many many things with their community many many things because we are yet to make a nation out of it we have not we should have done it early on after 1947 but we did not do that work properly as you said discrimination is there based on your caste that means we've not made a nation yet your separate nation and separate nation isn't it just because of your birth so if you want to make this a nation there are certain tools certain symbols certain acts and anthem is one of them that we are trying to make a nation out of this and we are a nation where 500 million people have not eaten properly largest number of malnourished people on the planet unfortunately in our country nearly sixty percent of rural population in india their skeletal system has not grown to full size they are all like this compressed dissipated life underdeveloped life we're generating but we have debates about whether we should stand up or sit down when the anthem happens all right simply because we've lost our humanity welcome to this and we have issues with our sovereignty somebody is always trying to gobble part of what you call as india that itself is not settled we don't know where our borders are yes and you and me are sitting here today comfortably talking about many things simply because there are men who are standing there who are willing to die for this nation you don't like it it's fine there are men and women who are willing to die for this nation every day they're dying you may be seeing it as statistic but unfortunately they have wives they have children they have families a man who stands there willing to stake his life willing to make his wife and your widow willing to make his children into orphans at least please tell him we don't care a damn for this nation you also come back what are you guarding against why should a man stand there guarding this nation when we are not willing to stand up for a simple symbol of the nationhood it is 52 seconds it's a shame now the kind of the kind of arguments people are creating is what if somebody is handicapped array don't we have that much sense if somebody is handicapped we will not ask him to stand up what nonsense is this he can sit like this he can sit like this showing some expression for the nation nation has to evolve if this nation in the next 25 years comes to a place where all citizens in this country are well nourished we can bring down our nationalism and patriotism by 25 percent if in another 15 20 years or 25 years if everybody is well employed well to do nation is bursting with prosperity then you can bring it down to 50 percent someday if you come to such an egalitarian situation where there is no caste no creed no discrimination gender caste creed doesn't matter we are all just boom if you come to that stage we can talk about dissolving the nation and making nation into a global possibility but without understanding the realities when your sovereignty is not fixed when you don't know where the hell your border is of this nation and half the people have not eaten properly you are talking about we in one hand popcorn one hand coca-cola and you can't stand up now this is not okay this is not okay this is not a question of nationalism this is a question of your humanity so so if I could just follow up on that on that answer you made so as I understand you said that there are individuals like soldiers who show their allegiance to the nation by fighting for the borders or fighting in the borders we are not loyal because we don't stand nobody talked about loyalty please I mean no no no we need to understand this there is nation is not a god given entity it is an agreement among us what a nation is yes nation is not some god given thing it's we who made the nation there is an agreement what we will respect what we will not respect what we value and what we do not value in this country so this is an agreement that we have made so this is not a question of your loyalty maybe you're doing some great work but you don't want to stand up but I am telling you this is not about you who is well to do this is about those people who are still not fed properly this is about those people who are dying on the borders this is about those people who are being rubbed down to the ground on a daily basis so Sadhguru I completely understand how will sitting help please tell me first no no no how does sitting help if one person stands up and speaks it'll be nice if you can stand up for this at least so could I complete the logical flow on on the question I asked him and then we'll put it to somebody there if is that fine or like do you want to ask right now itself please take the microphone and speak it's fine fine so so I mean the the reasoning which I understood is that there are individuals who are sacrificing for the nation no no there is a condition who subscribe to the idea of a nation and and the implication is that individuals who do not stand up for the national anthem do not subscribe to the idea of the not true I am not saying that is a very simplistic logic I am not saying that I am saying nation is at a certain status of evolution do you understand in this nation we need an emotion to move this nation to a better status for this emotion everybody needs to participate it's like saying tomorrow you want to build a family you go and tell your wife see I'm very agnostic I will give you what you want but I will not invest my emotion into this family you think you will have a family you think you will have one so standing up for the national anthem and a few other symbols of that is just that you are creating an emotion because nation is only in the minds and hearts of people it doesn't exist anywhere else there is no nation in the world nation exists only in our minds and our hearts if it doesn't exist in your heart how will it exist it will not cease to exist so the last time we had I mean the last time in history we had forced acts of symbolism that resulted in Nazi Germany I got you all right see the this is this is why this is why the problem is you have read European history you have no idea of Indian history let's come to this Nazi Nazi Germany was organized against somebody within that country right now you standing up for the national anthem is not organized against anybody it is not organized against anybody this must be understood first of all let us be very clear without investing our thought and emotion there is no nation right now in this country a whole lot of people if you go into rural India a whole lot of people don't know what is India they know only their caste they know only their community the full allegiance is right there you have to build this nation in people's minds and hearts you don't build a nation just around if you build a road and a bridge and something nation will not happen you have to build a nation in people's minds and hearts this is a simple thing why should I stand up in a cinema theater that's a question no not necessary in the cinema theater but how many of you by yourself will go and attend a republic day parade or go for flag hoisting on an independence day and stand up and sing the national anthem you don't so because the only damn place that you go to is a cinema theater we're asking you to do it there fine so so so we'll so we'll proceed from that discussion as to I mean as to my ideas of nation and whether I should be standing up and and whether that how that subscribes to okay how else will you express your love for the nation so if I could just if I could just make another point there is that I mean two points here first take the example of say I mean the the victims of the 1984 rights or take the example of the Bhopal gas victims right these people have been failed by the nation these people have been discriminated upon so I mean after 1984 how many governments did we have we had multiple governments so tell me one government after 1984 if I see one second hello it's not just in 1984 or post 94 we have failed we have continuously failed a whole lot of people for 70 years when when 50 percent of the country's population is still not nourished properly we have obviously failed them this is why I'm saying this is a question of humanity this is not a question of nationality the only way the largest here here yeah the largest number of people the maximum number of humanity that you can address right now in the current reality of the world is called a nation if you want to address people in smaller communities you must break it into smaller groups or when when the populations or the nations become mature enough like it's happened in Europe they've made an union the same people fought each other in the world war two but within 60 years time they formed an union there is a certain maturity there so here they don't have to promote too much nationalism because there is a maturity of accepting everybody and opening up the borders and living as one larger union so if such a thing happens to us that someday we become an asian union which we should aim towards on someday then you can lower your nationalism right now you don't have a thing you have not eaten properly you're talking about other kinds of ideas and comparing yourself with Nazi Germany which was in a completely different state I'm saying you have ideals without reality check about your understanding of where we are where this country is right now okay sir then sir I think this is something I completely get your points but I think this this is something we'll disagree or I think I think if somebody has an issue we'll know you should not disagree you should ask more questions fine so since I thought we had limited time see it is like this it is like this right now you are in that state of mind that I am fixed on this unless you say what I want I will not agree with you this is not a debate you asked a question I have said what I've said you ask more questions so my primary concern was that there was limited time but if you don't worry about that I'm willing to spend the day with you because because you've raised an issue you've raised an issue where certain people just for the sake of popularism they're talking some nonsense without keeping the nation's interest in their in their thinking now it's okay I don't shout if you want to say something take the microphone and speak anonymously anybody can say anything if you want to say something stand up and speak it's perfectly fine with me all right just doing boo boo is not going to help because because this is a nation as I said I'm reminding you it's not you don't seem to have the pain in your heart because I have traveled through villages and rural landscape of this nation so much I have seen people in such horrible conditions continuously even today just here in this state just travel around see it's one of the well-to-do states in the world in the country go to the remote parts of this state and see how people are most of them have not eaten properly in their entire life okay when this is the condition we have debating about nuances 52 seconds if I stand my legs will melt down no I'm saying this can you create a nation without investing your emotion into the nation making can you sir could investing emotion also be by expressing healthy skepticism is healthy skepticism also not a factor that is taken into account while building you can stand up and be a skeptic be a stand-up skeptic why are you sit down skeptics even comedians are standing up these days but it's it's how I express myself to be okay how will you express sir I mean see how will you find okay do one thing let us not sing the national anthem let's not stand for you find some way where all Indians can express one way one minute of respect for this nation please find some way and tell me so sir I completely agree with you and that and that's where I come from like I could be contributing to the nation not in terms of one minute but in terms of ours I could be invest I could be protecting tribal rights I could be going to courts and fighting for Dalits I could be doing investigative journalism yes sir so no no you did not you did not listen to me please listen to me what I am saying is find one simple process one simple process that all of us can use to express our love for this country find that but then we will stop the national anthem and do that one but so why is it that we need a common idea of expressing love I mean if I have three children all of all three of them will express love see this is you need to understand this your love for your country is not your personal romance how do you express your love how do you express your love to your friend or your partner is your business we will not ask you but when it comes to the nation we are trying to put complex culture into one identity of some sort why don't you take a microphone and speak don't sit down and speak a stand up you got legs right so could somebody give the mic to Rohan Pratap Singh you know their questions please tell me fine so so before the mic comes to him because I think we'll take some time no I would like you to stand up yeah yeah so so our question was simple if you can I sing the national anthem now that you're standing sorry can I sing the national anthem that you're standing right now I think I can express my nationalism the way I choose to express it because your country which is extremely dire I do not question that yeah I am not even questioning that but I am saying this is a country of 1.3 billion people each one of us our own language our own culture our own cast and creeds and eating dressing everything is different when it's like this we need some common point which we all plug into and say this is our thing so this is a flag I know flag is just a bloody cloth we know that but it's we by investing our emotion who make it sacred isn't it so to add on to Rohan's question I mean if the requirement the question is do we not have if you can hold the microphone yeah sure the question is do we not have faith in our diversity we are a country whose population is more than the population of Africa combined or the Americas combined a country which has a population more in diversity than Europe and Australia combined if we have such a diverse population where people can choose to express themselves in different methods to show the nationalism to show the patriotism that they're working on a daily basis to for the betterment of the country who is this particular V that we're referring to who can all of a sudden decide the standard of what amounts to nationalistic expression and other expressions which are not let's let's there are but I know this is a certain kind of motivation which is there it's fine but this suddenly is not a is a completely wrong word in 1947 when the flag went up the entire nation stood up entire nation stood up because because at that time we knew what it meant to be oppressed by somebody else now we've forgotten that's all that's happened to us so now you do not understand this country has a thousand years of history of invasions and invasions and in every possible way we've been rubbish to understand and we have forgotten this that just 60 70 years ago we had famines where not people did not die in hundreds of thousands they died in millions we've forgotten that we think we are talking a language of america you must understand united states of america in every sports event major super bowl is happening if the national anthem goes everybody stands up not just stand up with their hand on their heart so that nation is doing what it is doing it is also a complete conundrum of cultures from variety people have all come from outside in this generation they're not even born there but they all stand up with such pride because of that pride that nation is the most powerful nation in the world if you don't have pride what do you do so i apologize to the people in the audience we will have 40 minutes i'm sorry javi we'll have 40 minutes in the audience discussion because i mean the co the co moderators also have important questions to ask i can't take up their time you can come back to i can't hear you we can come back to national anthem in the audience questions if that's fine to you constitution under article 19 one it gives me the freedom of expression and and there are expresses supreme court decisions but say that i have the right to silence two peaceful silence so if i'm just sitting up and i have the right to be silent that is constitutionally protected so constitution does not say this the only law we have is the the only law we have is i mean whoever whoever please whatever kind of question you want to ask take the microphone and ask the question don't just stand up and do whatever okay please so so if it's fine to you and if it's fine to everybody can we please do it later i mean if you're fine with that because we have a lot of important questions no one's questions to ask yes so i'm sorry i'll take the autocratic decision to move on and if you guys can please ask that in the audience questions there's for this 40 minutes deserve for that that's a very good thing that's a very good thing they're listening to your autocratic decision they're not saying we'll express in our own way because we already have two opinions being discussed no that is fine all i'm saying is if everybody does things in their own way there's going to be chaos that's all it is we'll we'll discuss this in the audience questions so the next question sir which i i'm sadhu which i have concerns the interlinkages between art and war this is again this comes back between art and war between art and nationalism so just to just to set the context in in in bombay there were certain political entities which threatened that a particular film would not be released because it involved a pakistani actor who by the way was working there i mean was working in india legally on a government sanctioned permit it was argued that releasing such a film would be disrespectful to indians and to the indian army and they have also been similar instances of other pakistani actors and musicians also being prevented from working in india now my question to you sadhu is that what's your stand on this do you see this as extraconstitutional bullying or extraconstitutional censorship because there is no law which says i cannot hire a pakistani actor or do you see this as a justified patriotic concern say anything that is not in the framework of law nobody has any business to force it the law enforcement should be able to handle it but unfortunately that's not the reality in the country right now whether it is about a pakistani artist or an indian artist it is not only about pakistani if you saw this padmavat one big issue happening somebody won't let you release in Tamil Nadu it's happened many times because somebody doesn't like it i'm saying if you don't like a bloody movie don't watch it that's about it so about india pakistan there is unfortunately there is a lot of continuous conflict happening if it is not if it is not necessary for us we must make a law like that till these things are settled as they are saying right now till it's settled we won't talk similarly till it's settled we won't act we won't sing we won't do but outside the framework of law nobody has any business to enforce anything unfortunately the way to become a leader in this country has been till now you don't have to create anything you don't have to build anything you gather a hundred people and block the highway for three days make everybody's life miserable you may get elected so those of you who are shouting you must understand this not the way because this is how this is the person that he's talking about right now people who will break the framework and do their own thing just to have their way because they believe something you can believe whatever you want you can believe whatever you want i can believe whatever i want but we have come to an agreement that we will work within the framework of the constitution and that is our book right now other books that you read a religious kind nationalistic kind whatever other kind you read it's your personal choice you can read whatever you want but the nation will run by this book if you find a flaw in this book we have the freedom to amend the book that's how we must go first and foremost thing about building a prosperous nation is we must be a law-abiding nation if that doesn't happen never well-being will happen to the people those who have the muscle will rule the nation so as i understood from your answer that in case that does not exist why do you interpret my answer i think they understand no so i know i mean so that i mean so i mean sadhu i mean you i mean you give i mean you look into all aspects of the answer and you give a complete answer sometimes maybe it's difficult for us to understand maybe what exactly you're saying so something as a moderator it's my duty to clarify that okay so my so as i understand from your answer sadhu is that what you're saying is that if there does not exist any law which prohibits Pakistani actors from not being employed in indians it's not just about that even where there were no Pakistani actors many movies were not allowed to be released there was violence on the streets if you don't learn to put this down at the very first step that somebody thinks they have a right to burn the buses when the buses were burning i called somebody who is a very responsible person in this country and asked what the hell is happening in this country for a cinema you're burning twenty thirty buses in some town then they said sadhu what to do sadhu these are rajputs all those women are dressed up like brides and waiting over a hundred of them and they want to burn themselves suppose tomorrow even if ten of them burn themselves it'll become an international situation that we cannot handle let some buses burn sadhu i said this is some strange kind of wisdom but unfortunately that is where we are and even your national national anthem question is related to this unfortunately that is where the country is do not think just by reading law we are some law abiding fantastic nation people still do things by themselves all this the mob justice is still going on in this country this is not in one place in every village there is mob justice only a few things have been reported if you know Indian villages you know in the Indian village things are settled by the mob maybe sometimes directed by the panchayat or something nobody goes to the police because it'll take a long time court takes 25 years maybe that'll be good for your living and your business but it is not good for the people i'll lose something today if i'm going if my problem is going to be settled in 25 years time it means nothing to me i will gather five people and settle try to get my own justice this is the nation we're living in do not be in some utopia this is the country we are living in where still for a whole lot of people there is no nourishment there is no law there is no any kind of enforcement they are doing their own thing you need to create a nation out of this so we'll move on to the next question is that i mean this is again on the theme of nationalism is that there have been instances of governments spending huge amounts of money on building statues of national icon and heroes to set the context i'm from bombay and a huge number of people from mumbai including me see chattrapati shiva ji maraj as an eminent warrior and icon that being said the government of marashtra recently allocated rupees 3600 karos for building a shiva ji statue sadhu my question is that respecting national heroes and taking pride in history is important but should it come at the cost of spending rupees 3600 karos especially when you have important socioeconomic issues still pending i mean in in in bombay there have been bridges which have i mean they're bombay which have fallen down there are families there are entire families who have been killed there are public schools which have only received all the many things that we need to do in this country there's no not one thing or two things so there are so many things we need to do in this at this time is it necessary to build a statue well it is not my personal choice to build a big statue but at the same time when i inquired about this because it kind of bothered me also when i look at the number of how much it costs then i was told this is going to be a technology center of an experience of india and indian culture and variety of things they want to make it a tourist attraction of the tourist attraction in the country mumbai being the commercial capital so they have some vision i don't know how it'll turn out pan out because it's the government executing the vision but they have a vision and hopefully it'll turn out in such a way that it'll be a big tourism draw for mumbai right now they feel mumbai has commercial travelers but no tourists coming to india tourists coming to india avoid mumbai for variety of reasons they want to change that with this one project hopefully they do that and chhatrapati sivaji is an inspiration for all the marathis for everything so they want to build his statue i don't know how tall it is how tall it is so i don't think the main budget is for the statue it is for the complex that they're building they're saying it's going to be a tourist draw if it is so fine so i understand that we don't have clarity as to the facts as to i mean whether they will be able to recoup the investment or not but there were some people who just i mean just i mean just to let you know and then you could also give you a view on this there were some people who did statistical studies on this they said that taj mail which is the most popular monument in india has 25 karos coming from it annually 25 30 and this is 3600 karos which means that if you even if you don't include the cost of maintenance this will take 150 years just to recover see that is a that is very simplistic economics i don't know why for anything illogical a few people are always clapping motivated in a certain way please this is very illogical economics this is not how that project is being planned because from what little i know i'm not an expert on this let me admit that i don't know much about it but it's not only about the statue the statue is probably to pacify a certain groups of people so that they support that and they don't you know start a protest against this tourism project the project like this will not be like see taj mahal is one ticket entry this is not going to be like that this is going to be many things about indian culture and this is not going to raise it is not like 25 rupee ticket you pay and you enter and go and anyway these kind of projects it is going to be economically viable because we've been working on the river projects with the maharashtras finance minister they're very very you know astute about money so i'm sure they'll work out a economic module i have no doubt about that but beyond that a tourism project something that you're trying to draw people into the town means they will stay in the hotels they will eat they will do many things they'll spend money in the town so there is economics is in many places so out of just to see taj mahal people to come to india do you think just with a 50 rupee ticket they enter for foreigners i think it's hundred rupees or something they enter and they go away no they will eat they'll stay in a hotel they'll buy things indian arts crafts everything sells so it is very simplistic to look at this to this is gathering 25 crores this will take 150 years now that's not the way to look at it uh so we'll we'll we'll move on to the next question but i'm sorry i'm indulging myself here even if it is not 3600 crores even if you are going to recover it in the future when you have children who i mean when you have children who are dying of malnutrition when you have schools which have only 25 percent public funding where in the rest of the 75 percent hasn't come when you have this amount which is seven times the amount which marashtra i'll tell you this 3600 crores is less than three months of alcohol consumption in mumbai city why don't we abstain for three months and build the damn thing huh whatever it is okay sattguru we'll now move on to the next question uh this is more related to spirituality so this this won't have that much controversy i guess this is even more controversial okay i'll try to bring in the controversy here it is a common notion among people that spirituality is a rich person's area so even if you look at the people who have gathered around here we are all pretty much well off and once we have earned for ourselves we then find time to do yoga or meditation or or or look into our inner being but as we were discussed all all through throughout the whole discussion till now there are yes you yourself have said that 500 million people are are are still malnourished and there are so many so many people in this country who are daily wage workers who who are at that point of time spirituality and learning of their inner being would not there would not be the most important thing for them their most important thing would be feeding themselves and their children for the next meal really you think so you do one thing you go to any so-called spiritual event in the country will you see rural masses there or people like you in denims who will you see uh yeah yeah um so don't make conclusions which are not even true are we trying to prove something or are we trying to look at truth the truth of this nation is we have kept our populations in extreme abject poverty nourishment is missing leave anything else nourishment is missing in spite of that i must tell you this people ask me these questions wherever i go in the world uh sadguru so many spiritual teachers and masters so many great beings have come in india but why are we so poor why is india so poor where is the spirituality well you know this two hundred fifty years ago we were the richest nation on the planet everybody wanted to come to india why do you think of wasco digama or that columbus who made that mistake all these people set off in the oceans that they did not know and over hundred expedition expeditions in the ocean drowned nobody ever wrote about them all right because nobody writes about people who drown in the oceans so why was everybody in europe trying to come to india because it was the most prosperous nation well in two hundred fifty years we got cleaned up we can't well somebody did it to us because we can't just blame them because it is also ourselves who allowed that thing to happen to ourselves now we are trying to build back all right but even though you kept them in such abject poverty wherever these people went they made sure not a bit of the local culture remained just look at north america south america australia and large parts of africa anywhere this one culture after thousand years of invasions we've still kept our culture and our spiritual process not for nothing where we are you know where our yoga center is there is a police station about twelve kilometers away this police station is supposed to service nearly a quarter million people in different levels of economic situations all right some are rich farmers some are medium some are really poor the tribal community is everything there are only two now in the last thirty years i've been there at a time there was only seven eight policemen with the asi today there are about fourteen to fifteen policemen with the si this is an upgrade that happened three years ago otherwise even now with this fourteen policemen two or three will be on leave because of something or the other and three four are on night duty hardly seven eight policemen for quarter million people and these are poor people living in small hearts people are driving in Mercedes cars up and down but they never pounced on them killed them and took what they have it never happened this is spirituality if you've not if you've forgotten this this is spirituality you understand well you don't stretch this too far you don't take their spirituality too far you have to settle what they need in their lives as quickly as possible otherwise they won't hold for too long but it is because of that spiritual process we as a nation have survived in spite of all the abuse that's happened to us and don't say rural masses don't have spirituality they are the ones who are really on urban masses are losing it isn't it no my question wasn't towards rural masses minus like for example poverty right not not poverty as such but for people who are working every day like for example the maid in my house for example she let's say she works in five six different houses she probably is able to make four thousand five thousand a month and at that point of time she would try to the most important thing going in her mind would be educating her children probably feeding herself I am saying that they do deserve to have the self-awareness and the spirituality but how will how how will we do it if you do not know this seventy percent of our work is in rural India where the poorest of the poor are okay poorest of the poor are in rural India seventy percent of our work is in rural India and it's free it's free of cost you walk with me in Tamil Nadu you go into a village the entire village will gather not for money not for something else because they know there is some tools of transformation which they can make use of so in the city there is money involved simply because you want it in a conditioned room air conditioning is on right now whether I pay or you pay or somebody else pays somebody is paying for it isn't it if you don't understand this you have no sense of economy that's the biggest problem in the country people have no sense of economy so they're always asking for welfare schemes give me this give me that but whether I pay or you pay somebody is paying isn't it if what is paid is not accounted for it's not going to work this is the reason why we are poor because we are not conducting our economics properly now spiritual process is about inner strength especially if you are going through hardships inner strength is most important or no that is the time to remove it is it there for the rural masses definitely there much more than seventy percent of our time we're investing but when I come to the city when I come to Delhi activists come and invite me why are you only meeting the rich and powerful why are you not coming to the slum I said the whole goddamn country is a slum and I'm traveling all over when I come to Delhi I want to meet only the rich and powerful let it be very clear to you I'm not going to come to the slum in Delhi because the entire country is a slum if you've not seen thank you sir Satguru many of my colleagues and I are soon going to begin our professional careers so there may be occasions in the in the course of our career where we are confronted with certain moral dilemmas for example a situation where you're required to defend someone you know is guilty or a situation where you have to prosecute someone you know is innocent now the law says that every accused is entitled to an attorney and the right to a fair trial now if I decide to defend this particular accused individual and I define and I defend him successfully then should I be pleased with the acquittal or should I regret the the fact that the victim has been has not received justice so how do I reconcile this conflict between my conscience and my professional obligation see your profession is a constitutional obligation you have no business to see what is right and wrong your business is just to interpret the constitution for the well-being of the citizen who comes to you crime he is committed maybe but sometimes the crimes are so envious then the human question will come up should I save this guy at all so this is not a more don't make this into your moral dilemma this is a professional thing where you must decide are you fulfilling your constitutional responsibility or no this is not for you to take a moral stand okay this guy has done something that I don't like so let him hang this is not for you to decide your business is just to interpret the law so that everybody gets a fair this thing this once happened can I tell you a joke very serious lawyer you are this happened Shankar and Pillai was accused of murder accused of murder so he went on pleading not guilty not guilty not guilty after four years when the case was nearly coming to your close suddenly he said okay I will plead guilty so the judge asked all these four years whatever we said you went on saying not guilty now you are saying guilty what is this he said at that time I had not heard the evidence so when somebody commits a crime of course he tries to save his skin all right and when somebody commits a crime it's not for everybody to take a call right now it's happening on the social media and even in the television channels okay hang him castrate him do this do that if you go by this then lynching is what you will do in the end why go to the court let's lynch them when we see they've done something wrong because when something really terrible happens in front of you or you come to know it's happened it's not just robbery some terrible things are being done all right then really terrible things happen the crowd will want to lynch that guy even regular people so responsible people in the country are uttering these words I would like to be the hangman for this guy so why they're saying this is yes your humanity burns yes your humanity burns when you see such things happening but you as a lawyer your business is just to interpret the law to stay within the framework of the constitution it's not for you because you know this guy has committed the crime it's not for you to take a gun and shoot that guy in the court that's not your business that should happen through due process if we even if it looks unjust what is unjust is the length of time that these legal procedures are taking if we want justies to be reasonable and human or humane it's very important the time has to be reduced this time is killing people and this time is making people do extra judicial stuff simply because the amount of time it's taking this has to change so I mean it was an extremely insightful explanation I'm wearing you talked about why is I will why certain and mobs or why certain individuals take law in in their own hands may be the judicial delays may be the time consuming process or just one clarification I had you is that while the absence of adequate legal infrastructure might propel them to do such acts are such acts justified despite the inadequate legal infrastructure that's one I thought I made that extremely clear in the previous answer anything outside the framework of law the moment you think it's all right however nice and right it may look to you then you're breaking the nation may be as a lawyer or as a citizen I even as a citizen but at the same time when there is no law when the law is cured in somebody else's favor I know I will not get justice something terrible happens to me you can't stop this human being from doing it so it is both ways is it correct it is definitely not correct nobody has the right to do it but you cannot use that position and keep on keeping people in a state of injustice they will act in their own way so legal reforms need to happen rapidly otherwise you will see things going people taking it in their own hands thank you for the answer so sir you had quoted earlier that in in one of your previous videos that the curse of a Shudra has no power the curse of a Vaishya yes sir you must have heard somebody else not no sir I did okay fine let's let's move on to the next question sir okay no not complete the question I saw the video yesterday sir so no it's a question on the curse of a Shudra or the yogin power of a Shudra has will not amount to anything that of a Vaishya you may lose a meal if that of a Kshatriya you may lose a limb and that of a brahmana you may lose everything and my question here is and you had also stated that this this Varna system was not based on birth but was based on the occupation that person had had and the qualification of the occupation so my question here is since the karma of of a Vaishya or a Shudra is is defined to them and they are doing their duties how is the power of one more than that of yeah I think this is completely misunderstood let me put this in the right perspective right now you're going on the street we said it is an occupation it's not by birth it's not we are not talking about a caste system by occupation those who did manual jobs were considered one it is over a period of time it became by birth okay any this is a class system which became a caste system over period of time thousands of years and then it became discriminatory unfortunately anyway right now suppose a man who is sweeping the street got angry with you at the most he will take some filth and throw it at you yes but a big businessman in the town got angry with you he will do something else to you kshatriya means today a police officer or a political leader got angry with you much bigger damage will happen to your life isn't it now there were people who had attained to certain inner capabilities if they got angry with you really damage would happen to your life this is what is being spoken please do not miss and repeat as caste system and shudra has no you started off with shudra has less cursing power that is so even today isn't it those who are doing menial jobs do they have the same capacity to damage your life as a person who is in power that's all that's being spoken there thank you for the answer sattguru the next question is something which all students deal with is how does one figure out their passion and should one necessarily follow their passion even if it means sacrificing comfort lifestyle or geographical proximity to family and should passion always override such considerations which might also be important in their own way see what is let us understand what is passion passion is just a certain thought in your mind to which you invest certain emotion that's your passion right you can be passionate about a certain activity you can be passionate about a certain person you can be passionate about a certain thing how did this happen it's a thought in which you invested a certain amount of emotion I'm saying if you know this and if you know how to generate thoughts consciously and invest emotion consciously this wouldn't be even be an issue right now passions are happening compulsively what happens compulsively how will lead you wherever it leads you sometimes it takes you to a good place sometimes it takes you to a bad place but if it means so much to you it means so much to you means it is just that you have invested so much emotion in it that's all it is because you've invested so much emotion in it you may not be able to look at it logically once again you have lost your fundamental discretion simply because you've invested so much emotion in it I don't think that's a way to build one's life one must build their life consciously but most people don't understand what is building life consciously they only do things by chance this is why those who are successful are stressed those who have failed are frustrated both are suffering what else should happen in their life that's what they need to look at what needs to happen in their life is they must learn to conduct their physical body their psychological process their emotional process and the fundamental energy process in the body consciously if this happens consciously this will happen the way you want if this happens the way you want you living joyfully or blissfully is a natural thing in the world what you do is not according to your passion in the world what you do is what is most needed today that's what you must do this is my passion the world doesn't need it but you keep on doing it what is the point so just a follow-up on that question about the world I mean certain things we need to done to improve certain issues or to remedy certain problems now from my limited understanding or at least what we learned in textbooks is Buddhism talks about how we should not be attached to something or how in certain cases we should be detached I mean it talks about how suffering one of the reasons behind suffering is attachment now my question to you Sadhguru on this is that how can I attempt to remedy injustice if I'm not sentimentally affected or attached to a particular cause how can I help a particular friend or empathize with him if I'm not attached with him so this obsessiveness or attachment is it necessarily bad say this attachment detachment business is a misunderstanding that's come out of the Gita in this country people misunderstood Krishna like nothing in the sense people think Krishna is talking about detachment please look at his life his life is involvement isn't it if you look at the escape of whatever we know about his life whatever little we know about his life his life spells involvement involvement involvement with everything around him so this person unfortunately is being accused of detachment see if there is no involvement there is no life you can only know life with involvement even if the meal that you eat today if you're not involved you will not know what it is without involvement you cannot even taste life not possible people are talking about detachment because of fear of suffering fear of suffering has come because when they involve they get entangled they do not know how to get involved they just get entangled entanglement is happening because your involvement is very discriminatory is that sink again so I should be equally involved in everything is what you're saying let me tell me if you are less involved in your breath and more involved in your eating you think life will work see breath is involuntary that's what I'm that's why I'm using the word breath because it's involuntary you don't have to do anything it's just happening but we're involved by keeping their conditioning on other this will suffocate this is our involvement we turned on the machine we may not be consciously breathing all right but we are involved without involvement in every aspect of life you will get skewed and that is when psychologically you get messed up so much that in many ways mind gets deranged seeing this somebody said you're too attached you must be detached no detachment will not work either can you be detached and do something well can you do something well being detached about it no you need absolute involvement if you have an indiscriminate sense of involvement you will see there is no entanglement in your involvement if you discriminate you will get entangled the problem is of discrimination not of involvement so thank you for the answer Satguru in one of your uploads on YouTube you speak of an experience where you've consumed the cobra venom and and you describe this experience as something where one part of your one part of yourself felt like you're in a state of slumber while the other part of you felt like you're in a higher level of brightness so how do you perceive the use of other natural intoxicants such as weed or bang which take you to the same level of higher consciousness but the only difference lies in the means which are adopted in reaching that higher level of consciousness so why has the consumption of weed in India remained a stigmatized subject and fortunately for us we have a senior minister in the Narendra Modi cabinet Mrs. Manika Gandhi who's come out in support of legalization of marijuana so could you also tell us what your take is on whether or not marijuana should be decriminalized given that there are there is enough evidence to suggest that there is medical benefits associated with the consumption of medical benefits are for those who are sick isn't it we talk about medical benefits when people get sick not when they're healthy all right so i'm glad you've been doing some research about finding that cobra venom thing we are not consuming cobra venom on a daily basis we are consuming mercury on a daily basis sometimes but that is not for intoxication nor do we need cobra venom for intoxication just look at my eyes and see they're always stoned really don't put your head down just look at me and see i'm always stoned not i never touched the substance but is it true that this human mechanism is the most sophisticated chemical factory on the planet hello so if you know how to manage this well you can produce what you want in this anyway there was an Israeli scientist you might have heard about him because you've done so much research on this aspect he wanted he was doing research on cannabis and its impact on the neurological system so he started this research in united states every year he was getting some 15 kilograms of cannabis for almost 12 13 years he got this and he produced no results and in 1980s when u.s drug agencies you know the agencies which were working against the drug smuggling and stuff they decided to not hit the suppliers but hit the market so the street was burning with police action at that time the police and the agencies said this guy is getting 13 kilograms per year we have not seen any paper from him it must stop so they stopped then he moved to Israel and he showed what he has done and they supplied marijuana for him as much as he wants in about four and a half years he came up with this he said there are millions of cannabis receptors in our brain but why so he threw this information to all kinds of scientific disciplines to find out why in human brain there are millions of cannabis receptors well naturally the anthropologist said maybe at some time the whole humanity was smoking but that's not possible because many parts of the world it doesn't exist but even there they have after many things many funny things happened around the world in this context then the neurologist came up with this and said the brain is expecting that you will produce cannabis within the system it's not expecting you to smoke it's expecting you produce that so that it becomes a mood equalizer for you all the time but most human beings have become inefficient chemical factories or they're just lousy CEOs managing a great factory so they start smoking from outside it's not a moral issue it's not a moral issue for me but the thing is there is substantial studies which are being put down by those few activists who want to promote it there is substantial studies to show that your decision making your certain dimensions of your brain particularly about decision making are sufficiently suppressed if you smoke marijuana for thirty days this will last for four to five years your decision making is clearly affected with that kind of mind with that kind of a brain if you enter the court and I'm putting my life in your hands I don't want a cannabis smoking lawyer for me I don't want a cannabis smoking surgeon to work up on me if he's just smoking on the street corner not doing anything to anybody it's his problem but definitely I don't want my surgeon to be on marijuana and do surgery on me yes or no do you want nor do I want other drivers because I drive at a certain speed I don't want other drivers who are smoked out driving with me I don't want nor do I want my driver ever if at all if I sit in the back seat to have smoked and then driving if you want that you choose but we don't want that most people don't want that because they know what it'll lead to so what we are looking at recreation we have made it this way what this means is essentially today seventy percent of the American population is on prescription medication rest of the world is trying to catch up with yes rest of the world is trying to catch up people are starting medicines very early on their life the remaining thirty percent of course are going on things that you're talking about why just stop with cannabis why don't we do some cocaine because it really fires us up you know it's okay man it's all right with me I told you it's not a moral issue for me it's a question of whether it'll enhance your life or suppress your life whether it'll allow you to live your life full on or will it make you a smaller life than the way you are or what you're capable of nothing less than what you can do must happen in this life isn't it for whatever reason either because of your attitudes or your stress or your drug or for whatever reason you should not become a human being less than what you could be you must maximize this life because all you have in this life is how intense and profound is your experience of life that's all there is and half the time if you're dazed out you will miss that possibility but if you come to me I can teach you a way simply you can sit here and be stoned out no really not just me I I do this to any number of people thousands of people they just sit there and boom every day in the morning I can show you millions of people who close their eyes tears of ecstasy dripping because there is a way there is a way to activate this system because there's no more complex chemistry on the planet than this one yes or no do you agree with me when there is when everything is here it's best to learn to use this if we invest some time early on in your life very effortlessly you can get here instead of that if you take external inputs we know all the negative impacts of that so sir when someone has wronged us or has abused us in some way we either have feelings of hostility and resentment or we must file a suit no in a minor in a minor sense if they abuse us or if they wrong us we sometimes have feelings of resentment and hostility against them and sometimes we might tend to forgive them and let it go so my question here is where where must we draw a line to hold the wrongdoer responsible for what he does and where and when should we know to forgive him and when should we know to let it go so this is the question see this is not about the other person the choice for you is this if you are given a choice right now for all of you if you are given a choice that you can either live joyfully blissfully or miserably or in anger or in stress or in resentment what is your natural choice you must choose i'm going to bless you right now what is your natural choice joyfully isn't it because every human being is looking for highest level of pleasantness for himself for herself you can call it joy you can call it bliss these are just words essentially we want highest level of pleasantness for ourselves if your body becomes pleasant we call this health if it becomes very pleasant we call this pleasure if your mind becomes pleasant we call this peace if it becomes very pleasant we call this joy if your emotions become pleasant we call this love if it becomes very pleasant we call it compassion, if your very life energy has become pleasant, we call this bliss. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call this success. Only to… Only to make your surroundings pleasant, you need the cooperation of all these people. Because in creating an external situation, there are many forces involved. Not all of them you even know, you understand. You want to create a wonderful situation for yourself. You don't even know how many forces are working in that area. If you harness a few forces, if they cooperate, things will happen. If they don't cooperate, it won't happen. But for the pleasantness of the body, pleasantness of the mind, pleasantness of your emotion and energy, it's one hundred percent you. Yes or no? No, no, because in some cultures, this is yes, in some cultures, this is… you know. Yes, right? Yes. Surroundings, creating situations in the surroundings, you need cooperation from the people, otherwise it won't happen. So only for success, you need cooperation. To keep yourself pleasant, it's one hundred percent yours. So right now, you know well that you want to be pitch-full. But somebody else is doing something. What are they doing? They know what they know best, they're abusing you. Why are they doing it? Because that's all they know. Yes or no? That is what… that is how they know their life. That's why they're doing it.  You know life doesn't work like that.  It's a very fair life.  Very fair, isn't it so? I drink poison and you die, is it fair? So people who are in anger, resentment, hatred, this is their thing. They are drinking poison. When I say poison, when I say poison, I am not saying in a moral sense there is substantial medical evidence right now that we can show you with a blood test that five minutes before you take your blood test right now, five minutes you may remain in extreme anger and take your blood test, you will see you're chemically poisoned actually. So you're literally poisoning yourself thinking it's going to hurt them. No, it's only going to hurt you. So it doesn't make sense to me, that's all.  It's up to you if you want to make a mess out of yourself. So this is a question we were sent and the context of this question as I understand is that previously our understanding of gurus or mystics were individuals who meditated and were in penance in forests who were not attached to, I mean who were not attached or concerned with businesses. So a question we were sent is that now we see a lot of mystic individuals who have huge foundations, who have companies, some of whom who have gone into production of foods and soaps. So the question here is that, is this? So the question here is that is this a healthy trend that you have individuals who you otherwise identified as individuals devoid of material pleasures or away from material pleasures or away from businesses are now actually turning to them? Well, you have not yet managed a business. Managing a business is definitely not a pleasure. But I know who is in the focus right now. See, I was… I had some kind of a conference in Chennai and somebody came to pick me up and the driver was driving. He's a regular driver. He goes behind what is in front of him and it's getting late. I have a reputation to keep that in this thirty-seven years I have not been late to a single event in my life. Though in one day I may have three, four, five events, still I have not been late to one. So I want to get there, this guy is going at his own pace in the traffic.  That was in Tamil Nadu. The Andhra Pradesh police cannot do anything about it. So I did some force driving and just made it in time.  Nobody knows what they're looking for. After that… After that Mumbai event, unfortunately, everybody has to go through this. So the car in front of me went and the gate opened, I just went through and they were screaming. I came into the portico, stopped, left the car there and ran into the conference. There was some journalist standing there. After I finished the thing and I came back, they said, in ancient times yogis used to walk.   So mistakes keep with the times, mistakes keep with the times. Oh, they were always contemporary. The problem is most people's idea of a mystic is the Sivakasi calendar, where one man is sitting under the tree with a constipated look on his face. That is a calendar art, that is not a mysticism, all right? The mystics of the day, well, look at anybody. If you call Krishna a mystic, he was working with the kings all the time because he wanted to transform the political system. If you see Gautam Buddha always working with the kings because he wants to transform the political system. Without transforming the political system, people will not benefit. So always the gurus were always around the kings, not because of their palaces, because of their concern, unless the one who rules transforms himself, there will be no benefit for the people. Right from ages, you go back wherever you want, always they were around the kings, not looking for crumbs in the palace, but simply because unless you transform that one fool, the country will not change. So it's been indicated towards it, I mean, there's a lack of time. So what we could do is that I have a question on section 377 and Angad has a question on something else. If I'm not wrong, 377 will be taken up by somebody in the audience. So I'll let that go. Or if it's, does anybody in the audience have that question, then I'll let it go. Does nobody have a question on that? Fine, so you, I mean, when somebody asked you for your views on section 377, you talked about how we should not be entering into people's bedrooms, how they should be given the privacy, how we should not be criminalizing this. That being said, I mean, there was a statement after that which me and a lot of Nalsiris didn't understand as to what was the context or the basis of that statement is that it should not be promoted. What is this, it should not be promoted. See, right now, there are people, large majority of the people are heterosexual. You don't have to promote it. Anyway, they will do what they have to do. Similarly, if there is homosexuality among a certain segment of people, no need to promote, they will do what they have to do.  They should not inquire, it's not civilization, I'm saying.  Because we're not interested. What you're doing with your body is not my interest as long as you're not harming yourself. If you're damaging your system, then maybe we have to intervene. Otherwise, what's my business, what you're doing with your body? The question I have on that is that, yes, I mean, as far as heterosexuals are concerned, they are a large majority. When it comes to homosexuals, there exist social prejudices which prevent them from coming out and acknowledging what their sexuality is. In that social, in that social, I mean, in that context. That was because there was a certain law, you must understand this law was made by the British. The British made this law because the English soldiers that they brought from England to manage this large nation, they did not come with their wives and girlfriends, they came, all men, so homosexuality was all pervasive among them because they had no options. So because of that, they brought this law which is actually said as buggery law, okay? So that was made in a certain context. So now the Supreme Court, the highest court in the country has removed it, it's finished. What is the debate continuing about? But I mean, I might be wrong as to what the opinion of a large portion of the population is, but I don't think I'll be wrong in saying that there do still exist significant prejudices against homosexuals. And in that context, should we not be... That is what I am saying.  Why should you tell me, huh?  Why should I know? But you want to tell me and you want to tell me and I must have the right kind of emotion towards you. Why are you expecting this from people? So the point I'm arriving at is that I might not be able to acknowledge my own... I mean, I will not be able to acknowledge it to myself, leave alone to anybody else unless and until this social prejudice and until homosexuality comes out in the open. Just to give an example, once a lot of celebrities came out that, yes, we are homosexual, other individuals who are also homosexuals but were scared of identifying themselves as such also accepted their... accepted their sexuality. So in that context, could promotion probably make sense? We are... we are making a mistake. Sexual... the preference, sexual preference is not sexuality, they are two different things, all right? Sexual preference is a different thing. You're... you're making it like it's a kind of a new species, it is not, I'm saying. They're all human species, different people have different choices, it's up to them. There is no need for you to go about making some kind of a campaign about it. It's not necessary because you will inevitably get the hit from others who don't see it that way. Where is it needed, I'm asking? It's a personal choice. Yes, I'm... I might get the hit but I also might... I might... I also might be able to allow other people who are... who are suppressed in their... in their understanding of what their... of what their sexuality is come out in the open and acknowledge what their sexuality is. It might help them. See, the thing is, what you're demanding is that everybody should acknowledge whatever you do. People may not acknowledge, what's your business, it's legal, leave it, no. You're not going to prison for it, that's about it, just leave it. I don't like it, so what does it matter to you? Somebody doesn't like it, what does it matter to you? It should not matter, that's all I'm saying. It's within the framework of law, just leave it. So, Sadhguru, there's one last question in this segment, or would you like to move to the next segment? We have one social media question. Whatever, sir.  So, we'll pick up the one last question, the theme is coexistence and fear. So, clearly you have this strong affinity for the species of snakes. Now, fun fact, and you've also gone on to say that... I have a strong affinity for all species. People take pictures only when I pick up a snake, when I pick up a grasshopper, nobody does it. You've gone on to say that there's no such creature, which is as perceptive as the snake. So, fun fact, in Shamitpe, it is a snake infested area. We have loads of snakes around campus, in Nalsar. It's not snake infested, this was their homeland and you have... Exactly, exactly. That's something everybody acknowledges. That's something everybody acknowledges. We have come to their homeland. So, this is where my question is going. So, is there any specific reason why we are so fearful of these species? When they themselves are equally fearful of us. So, how do we... I mean, how do we train our mind to overcome this paranoia? And the larger question is, how do we ensure a mutually sustainable habitat, where we do not disturb the human... the balance between the human-animal interaction? See, there are many, many questions. Since I don't know what's the level of interest in snakes, accordingly I will go. Hello? I have been involved with snakes from very early age. When I say early, I like caught my first snake, probably whenever it's five, five-and-a-half years of age. What is significant about this is, snake is one creature. If you do not know this, it's stone deaf, you know this? All snakes are stone deaf. They don't have hearing mechanism at all. So, it literally has ear to the ground, its entire body is to the ground feeling reverberations. To what extent means? Let's say there is going to be an earthquake somewhere in Central Asia. If you just observe a cobra today, let's say in the next three days there is going to be something happening. If you observe a cobra, how he behaves, you know there is going to be an earthquake. If you study it sufficiently, you can even indicate the direction in which it's going to happen and an approximate distance. Whether it's going to happen a hundred kilometers away, a thousand kilometers away or three thousand kilometers away, you can make an approximate guess, like a meteorological science you can observe. Because he's got his entire body to the ground, even the smallest reverb that he feels, he behaves differently. So in that context he is very perceptive and he is also chemically very perceptive. The only way he knows you is by your chemistry. He doesn't see you very well, but he knows your chemistry very well. See if you go, don't try this by yourself. Because you're on pot. You may not be quick enough for them. If you just go and pick up a cobra simply like this, not by his head or something, just in the metal hold him, just pick him up, he will simply come without any resistance. If there is no any anxiety or anything within you, you show a little bit of anxiety, he will go for you, because he sees it as danger immediately. So I was telling people, you know, people were saying, how do we know Sadhguru, we are really meditative and at ease. I said, we must do a cobra test for you. If you just pick it up, if he just comes, you're at ease. If he reacts, that means you're not at ease. You… I don't know, one picture came for a moment in that video where I'm holding a king cobra. You saw that one? A king cobra, I think no, not in this, it didn't come. I think the king cobra was on the ground. There's another picture where I'm holding a king cobra halfway down and he's just like that. A king cobra is a snake that if it bites you, it'll just hardly give you twenty to forty minutes. You'll die within that.  It mainly the cobra venom affects your cardiovascular system. It gives you anywhere between four to six hours. If you don't get excited, you may get another one or two hours extra. If it bites you in the body, you'll have four to five hours. If it bites you in the limb, you may get six to eight hours time. But if a wiper bites you, you have much less time. If a banded carrot bites you, you have just one and a half to two hours. Because one venom attack affects your neurological system, another venom affects your cardiovascular system.  So you can't breathe and everything gets tough because the heart will start pumping in a certain way because the blood gets thicker and thicker. Coagulation happens across the body. Why I'm saying this to you is the nature of the venom gives him that. Venom is not only in his sack. He's producing it in his entire body. Today, there's so much research gone into the medical sciences. You will see in the next five to ten years time, almost all neurological ailments will be treated with cobra venom, snake venom and scorpion venom and spider venom. And some sea snakes which have very special kind of venoms, which could kill you in five, ten minutes. So a lot of research has gone in. Almost for every neurological problem that people are going through, like Parkinson's and memory losses, all this they're going to treat with venom. Still it has not been approved, but much research has gone in this direction. So it knows your chemistry so well. The beautiful thing about this is there was a time when I'm sitting in some jungles in the western gods, you guys are on the east, but you must come to the western gods. That's a real jungle, okay? It's a rain forest. If I'm sitting and meditating normally, I don't know why, now I'm wondering why I sat in the afternoons, but I always sat in the afternoons, not early mornings. Afternoon I sit for meditation and I'm like sitting for five, six hours. When I open my eyes, a dozen snakes are sitting here. They're just drawn to that chemistry. When your chemistry changes, they're just known it comes. This is why Adiyogi is shown with a cobra on his, you know, around his neck to indicate that he's meditative. He's still within himself. If you become still within yourself, you pick up the cobra, simply it'll come like that. When I lived in the jungles by myself, no food arrangement, nothing. I mainly survived by drinking honey. Huge beehives are built at a place where the bears can't get. They calculate, the bees have such intelligence, they calculate a normal sloth bear weighs how much? Approximately about sixty to seventy kilograms. They build it on a branch where if the bear comes, even if the branch doesn't break, the branch will be sufficiently disturbed for them to go on, take care of him.  I, my motorcycle petrol tube, I always keep it extra long about eighteen inches and I go with this tube, stick the tube and drink honey. Three-and-a-quarter liters to one liter honey, if I drink for one or two days, I am fully fired up with food. Enough calorie in my system. But when I am drinking this honey, the bees think I am one more big bee. They don't see me. They are looking at the chemistry. If little agitation, if you show, show, they will come for you.  In fear, if you open your mouth, if they bite inside, one will do. Just one bee, if it bites you inside your mouth, you will suffocate to death. And above all, you will fall down from the tree, okay? So, we can give you a cobra test or we can send people from our yoga center who will train you how to handle. Suppose a snake came inside, how to take him and leave him in his habitat. He's come here not because he want to listen to the lecture or the conversation or the air conditioning. He's not come for anything that you have come for. By mistake, he's entered. You just have to let him back there. For this, little bit beyond fear, you must be to take it. But without training, if you take it, you could endanger your own life. So, if you want, we can train 15, 20 people on the campus who can handle this safely. So, the next question is, I mean, so we'll be doing the social media question. There's one social media question. Then we open it up for audience questions. The social media question, Sadhguru, is that how do we get the population interested in politics and in governance in the sense that… If you can hold it, let me close. How do we get the population interested in politics and governance in view of the fact that, I mean, in most elections there are less than 50% turnout? See, this is not about politics. There is not enough concern about the nation and the people that concern has not come to a whole lot of people. Still we are in that mode. Our attachments to our family, our identities with our family and community is so strong.   Not for the voting. Who will go and stand in the queue? We will go on a picnic or we'll go to the cinema. We'll do something else. Because the identification with the family is way bigger than the national identity. And because of that, they think, ah, other people will vote. This is their idea. Other people are going to vote. So what is there if I don't go? There's a beautiful story that Mark Twain used to love to say. There was a time when people believed there are people on the moon before Apollo, I'm saying in America, people believed there are people living on the moon. So they got a bright idea. They thought on one particular given moment, all of us go stand on our rooftops and shout one word together in one voice. The word that we shout is who are them? Let's see what they say. Shall we try this here? Okay, now all of you, I will say one, two, three. Can you just say who as loudly as you can so the whole Hyderabad hears? One, two, three. See, you have become wonderful like this. But that day came, everybody stood on the rooftop. At that time I got a very, what to say, a very artistic idea. I thought this is such a rare moment. All these people are going to say one word and me, you know, I have a small voice. What is, what is there if I don't say and I just wanted to hear this extraordinary moment. Everybody saying who? And that moment came and it passed in total silence. A day may come, on election day, nobody turns up, except those who are heard by political parties with money and whatever goading they're doing. This is an irresponsible way to exist. See, the word for democracy in Tamil language is Jananayakam. What this means is, people are the leaders. Still our people have not understood that we are the leaders of this nation. We are still in a monarchy mindset. We think elected person is a king or an emperor. So this is lack of education, lack of information, lack of identity with the nation, a strong sense of we build this nation is not there. Somebody is going to run this nation. This is still a British hangover. We think somebody else is running the nation. We don't understand this is our nation. We have to make it what we want. Right now we have a nation where if Donald Trump opens up visas for all Indians, 60% of the population will swim across the oceans and get to America. This is not right. When everybody wants to go away, we have not created a nation that people want to live in, isn't it? When everybody wants to come here, that means we've built a great nation. For this, participating in the fundamental participating in the fundamental democratic process is a must for everybody. But if you make it mandatory, it becomes ugly. If you make it mandatory, it becomes ugly.  Something you must understand. I went to the World Cup football and I went to the English match. I never knew this. You know, I never thought about this. They played their national anthem.  And I thought, oh my God, what a beautiful national anthem we have. The way it's composed, the way the words are written, everything. Then God saved the queen, God saved the king in a democratic country. So I'm saying even such simple things, we are debating.  Even when nation is in a crisis, when fifty percent of the people not eating properly, it's a crisis for me. It is not a normal situation for me. It's a crisis. When such a crisis is there, whether I should vote or not. Now there's making a movie, yesterday he was telling me, what is his name? Konda. Okay. They're making a movie in Nota. Okay. We will say nobody is acceptable to me. Well, it all sounds very intellectual, but believe me, you don't build a nation like this. You have to make choices about whatever lousy choice you have. In that you must make a little better lousy choice. If you want to improve this nation long term, you cannot abstain and say, oh nobody is fit enough.  If you see, see that this is a debate going on everywhere in every tea shop, every college is going on. Oh, all politicians are rubbish. They are thieves. They are this. If we have handed over this nation to the hands of the thieves and we are sitting back here and we don't even have the responsibility of voting, we are the more bigger thieves than them, isn't it? Hello? This responsibility has to come. We have not understood our basic democratic responsibility. When we do not understand that, we will become unfit for democracy, then something else will take us over. It is very, very important, not just voting, there are many other instruments through which you can participate in the democratic process. It is very important the student community participates, not on the street, not protest, not burning a bus, but participating in the instruments of democracy. All of you are law students, you must take a certain part of your life to educate the country and the youth. What are the ways in which they can participate in the democratic process? This is very, very important to make this nation. Thank you for the answer. Satguru, now we'll open this to audience questions. I think there were a lot of people that side and okay, so Javi's been raising his hand and standing up since a long period of time. So I'll give it to him first. Good afternoon, Satguru. Thank you. As an elder, as a guest and as an achiever, you have my respect. Now it's, you've been talking about a lot of undernourishment in India, people who are undernourished. It is these very undernourished people that we have taken away the food from, their nutrition. And secondly, it is these minorities who are scared to do things out of their own volition, exercise their own autonomy because of the environment we have created.  There have been several politically motivated stances taken by a lot of people whereby they decided not to respect the national anthem. No, no, no. They decided to respect in a different way. True. But it's also... But there is a difference. By not standing up is the point here. I'm saying that, I mean, we have created an environment of coercion and violence here. And in solidarity, if we decide to, you know... Please, sir, the microphone... Because it seems like a politically motivated... We didn't hear the last sentence. Yeah. We have created an environment of coercion and violence in the society. All the people are being forced to do this against their autonomy. So in solidarity, if you decide to not stand up for the national anthem, there are bigger things here. If you... I hope that was not rhetorical when you asked us, is there a solution? Why should we, you know, look for a higher ideal somewhere? Why can't we just, you know, live with acceptance and tolerance instead? You know, respect these people's opinions. That's the idea. No, no. Where does acceptance and tolerance and national anthem... I don't even understand. Where is the relationship? Because many people don't want to stand for the national anthem because it's probably against their beliefs. Or, you know, they... No, no, no. We are failing them as a nation.  I am 100% with you if we are thinking in a spiritual way. I am not identified with my nationality. I see our people around the world are involved with me. My work largely today has become much bigger outside the country than here. So it is not... See, you're looking at this in a very simplistic way or in a rudimentary way. In the sense, you think everybody should be either for or against. I am not for or against. I am just asking you. Now you talked about various levels of injustice which has happened in the country. Unfortunately, it's a fact. The question is to correct this, should we stay together or each one of us do our own thing and hope it will get corrected? I am just saying that the staying together can happen by acceptance and tolerance and not by... Yes, sir, but that's not happened, right? It can happen in theory. But has it happened? I will tell you if everybody turns spiritual, if they experience something beyond their body, beyond their mind and beyond their beliefs and everything, the whole world will become one. I know that and I am working for that. But do I believe it will happen tomorrow morning? It will not happen tomorrow morning. I mean... I must tell you when I was... How old are you? I am twenty-one. Huh? I am twenty-one. Okay, when I was four years beyond you, when I was twenty-five, something happened to me. I just sat in one place and suddenly I realized every cell in my body was bursting with ecstasy. I didn't do anything. Simply it was overflowing with ecstasy. Then I realized if you don't do anything, if you don't mess with anything in the body or in the mind, it just overflows with ecstasy by itself. When I realized this, I actually sat down and made a plan. This is so simple. On that day, the world's population was five point six billion people. I made a calculation and said in two-and-a-half years' time I will make the whole world ecstatic because it doesn't need anything. If you just teach them how not to mess with themselves, they will all become ecstatic. I thought it's going to happen on that day. But look at me, thirty-seven years. Hey, you're not looking at me. Thirty-seven years and well, I have touched over five-hundred million people, but that's not my idea of the world. My idea of the world is seven point six billion people.  So I want you to understand the nation is not built on some egalitarian ideas. People need emotion. Without emotion, they won't come together. You cannot put people together without emotion. Whether it's a family or a nation, it's true. Just one last point I want to make. You have so much software as a celebrity and as a mystic who is well known throughout India and the state at the same time is the state well. So I mean, in such a politically charged environment, us taking the stance, I do think that's problematic to, you know, a lot of other, you know, communities which disagree with what's happening. What stance have I taken? In terms of saying that, you know, national anthem should be respected and you know, these are things which people don't agree with. Okay, what would you like to respect about this nation? Please tell me, you know, we'll do that. Constitution at least? Sure, I mean, I'm saying there are… Let's just respect each other. That's it. See, where is each other, we don't meet each other right every day? See, please understand, when we say a nation, we are not talking, it's a flag or it's an anthem. When we say a nation, we are talking, it's a certain people. So there are certain symbols which represent these people whom you call as Indians right now. So, why three striped colors? Why can't we have seven colors? Yes, we can have. Why not if you want to redesign the flag, you can. But right now, this is it. All right? If you want to change the design, we can. You want to change the anthem, we can rewrite the anthem if you wish. But I am saying, without tools of integration, you don't make a nation. It is idealistic to say, let's not have anything, let's just live as a global village. It's fantastic idea. But can you make it a reality? Can you execute this idea? That's all I'm asking. I am talking about execution. As an idea, global is fine. If there is no nationality in the world, it'll be a fantastic world. But are we capable of doing that? Within a state, we have to break two states because we can't get along for some reason, isn't it? So, I think we'll spread out the questions in the interest of bringing out diversity of opinion. If the mic would be given to the lady in the third seat here, here it might be given to… Hello? Namaskaram, Satguru. Who is this? Where are you? Namaskaram, Satguru. Satguru, I will take only 45 seconds, okay? Question is 45 seconds. I won't disturb anyone because there are many who want to… Really sorry, but could we go in and…  Let's go with them. Satguru. Can the mic be given to the lady in the third seat? Can I ask you a question first? You should ask. You're going about giving a speech. Sir, I just want to say you are just my life. Okay? No, no, this is not… Okay, sir. My question… My question is, sir, you told in your childhood, you experienced the realization of ignorance. Some point when I watched your video, I also felt that I don't know really nothing. Nothing means nothing. But after 10 minutes or 15 minutes, I get influenced by my mind or something like that. And I lose that realization. I want to live like that. I want to live that… I want to live like the realization that I don't know. From that realization, my intelligence just becomes pure and I can look at everything. That's fine. See, just intellectually thinking, I do not know is not the point. You must know the pain of not knowing. The pain of not knowing should sear through you.  See, just look at this. Suppose I ask you to walk from here to there right now, later on and you will simply walk like this without noticing anything. Suppose we make this hall pitch dark, you don't know what is next step. Will you walk? Everything alert, all your senses, intelligence, awareness, everything super alert, simply because you do not know where the next step is. So, I do not know is not an intellectual conclusion. It is the pain of not knowing. It must really sear through you. It won't let you sleep. It won't let you eat. It will keep you in a certain way. When it keeps you in that way, then you will see your intelligence stays awake and alert. In sleep and in wakefulness, it stays alert. When that happens… See, just now we finished Ganesh Chaturthi. What Ganesh Chaturthi means is, it's all become all about eating now. We've made it like that because we only see Ganesha's big stomach these days and we are inspired by that.  A dhana means… Ganas are described this way that they were talking in a language that nobody understood and they had limbs which had no bones. Like this, it's described in the certain texts. So he took off one of their heads or the chief of the dhana and put it on this boy and made him live with this new head. So he had this new head which is not a human head. Because of this, he was extraordinarily intelligent. You heard of those stories where he asked Vyasa that if you dictate something to me, you should not stop.  If you don't know what you're talking, I'm not going to write down. You must simply speak without a break. Only then I will write down. So essentially, Ganesha had a normal… He's Ganesha, not Gagesha, okay? The elephant head came because of Sivakasi calendars.  Because of this intelligence, he cleared all obstacles. So he became Vigneshwara. So our interest is that in him that if we have intelligence like this, we will remove all obstacles in our lives. This is the phenomenal… This is the fundamental and the phenomena of Ganesha is just this that if your intelligence is always on, you simply dissolve all obstacles in your life. So he's a Vigneshwara.  What it means is you need a new head. Angad has already chosen, so if you could give… And then we'll move on to Joe because Joe…  Namaskaram, Sadhguru. First here. Many people say that thoughts create karma and sometimes our biggest fears keep on recurring in our minds on a daily basis. So how do we stop that flow of thoughts and how do we stop those fears from materializing and also how to cut down on unwanted karma? See, this whole karma business has been very misunderstood. And being projected as a fatalistic process, karma means this. Karma means action. Literally translates as action. As you sit here, there is physical activity going on. There is mental activity going on. There's emotional activity going on. There's energy activity going on. These four dimensions of karma are happening within you every moment of your life, both in wakefulness and in sleep, it's happening. Now, if I ask you a question, since today morning, since you woke up to this moment, how much of these four dimensions of karma are you conducting consciously? How much do you think percentage? Well, below one percent, believe me, it's way below one percent.  How else to live on? If you're driving a car and 99% it is accidental the way you're driving, will you be scared or not? So fear is a consequence of your inability to manage the nature of your intellect. See, your life's experience is happening this way. These are three dimensions. There is something called as memory, which feeds you all the time. Memory is not just what you remember. You don't remember ten generations ago how your great-great-grandmother looked, do you?  Yes or no? You have genetic memory, you have evolutionary memory, you have karmic memory, articulate and inarticulate levels of memory. This entire thing is memory, head to toe. Every cell in the body is memory, isn't it? We can take one cell and create the whole of you and that's how your parents also did. Just one cell and see, you become like this. So there is enormous amount of memory in this. This memory rules certain things, but there is a present experience. Memory is of the past, but the present is of experience, your ability to experience. If you want to experience anything, you must be conscious, you must be aware. Only then you can experience. The future is an imagination. So memory, experience and imagination, it is between these three dimensions in which you exist. Memory you cannot change because it's already there. Present you don't have to change because that is also here right now. It's only the imagination which you can change. So what are you fearful about? Something that will happen or you think will happen, isn't it? Fear is always about something which does not exist right now. It's always about what will happen. So you are suffering that which does not exist. If you're suffering that which does not exist, there are psychiatric terms for that. Hello? Your only comfort is everybody is in the same state. That's how it is in asylum usually. Everybody is in the same condition. But right now people are in this condition. What happened ten years ago they can still suffer. What may happen day after tomorrow they already suffer. They're suffering things which does not exist simply because in your education system you are studying about everything except how to manage this. If you do not know how to manage this, it doesn't matter how much nonsensical information you have gathered, it'll be not of much use to your life. You must know how to keep this, how to conduct this body, how to conduct this mind, how to conduct this emotional structure and the energy structure.  The next person if I'm not wrong was Joe. So he'll be… You've got all everything set. Hello Jaggi Vasudev sir. Before I ask my question I just have to tell you that I was very impressed by your e-commerce website which sells yoga merchandise. I think it's really cool. It's better than Flipkart and Amazon and I hope that in a few years time it will become the biggest e-commerce company and it could be. It's a conscious decision I have taken that our commerce part is done just to take care of a few things. Our commerce will never grow beyond the foundation part. We… I clearly made the distinction the Zeesha Foundation and the Zeesha business and we have contained the business. In spite of enormous demand, we have contained the business because… So it's very impressive, sir. No, you should not be impressed by that. You must come and see what I do otherwise. Sir, my question, I won't tell you that I was also very impressed by your commitment to rule of law that was evident from the discussions that we have had. In the same light, I just want to ask you that in one of the blogs that you have written in your website, you speak about women's entry to Sheni temples and there you say that, look, the reason why they shouldn't be allowed is because there are planetary forces and it's not good for women to enter these temples. In the same way, I just want to tell you a little bit about the law on the point. There are Supreme Court judgments which say that if you make laws which tend to be discriminatory for women, it cannot be a justification that we are doing it for their benefit. That cannot be the justification for any law that discriminates against women. This is the law of the land. So in that same way, would you say that if that is the law of the land and you're committed to the ideals of law, then one, how do you justify that? And two, one more question, sir. Just a follow-up question. The second part of the question is in the same article, you also mentioned that we can control the impact of planetary forces on our life through inner engineering. What is inner engineering? Is it a program that Isha Foundation hands out? What exactly is inner engineering? Is it something that you guys do and only if you guys can tell us what is inner engineering, only then will we be able to, you know, face the forces of planetary forces. What exactly is this concept of inner engineering? We'll answer that. So right now, why don't you ask this institution, Nalsar. Only if you tell us what is law, we will know what's the law. I'm sorry, sir, could you clarify that I didn't get what you just said.  Only if you trap us here for five years and tell us what is the law, will we understand what is the law? Don't we know? Well, because only because you do not know, you have come here, right, to learn. Similarly, only because people could not figure it by themselves, figure it out by themselves, they have come. And only because it's working for them, they're coming in millions. Okay, you have seven hundred people here. We have nine million volunteers working across the world. So it must be working for them. So do not make these judgments and don't think it's very smart to simply make judgments or everything.  So let's come to the question. Let's come to the question. See, please, please don't do these things. It is happening from both segments of people. What you like, bow, you shout and clap, please don't do that. For or against, that's not the way. The way to do this is, are we interested in knowing and enhancing? You ask a question as a way to enhance your knowing, not just to prove that you are smart. If you think you can prove you're smart, we will do something else to that. Anyway, you ask this question, I like the e-commerce, I know when you started off. I know when Joe is called, why he is called. We know what it is. I'm not that dumb, okay? When I sit here, when I just look at you, I know what you can ask. I will tell you, let me tell you this, follow. When I trained teachers to handle in engineering programs, now we have transformed the program in a different way, but at one time when it was very intense, I trained the teachers like this. Somebody walks into the hall, they settle down here today by themselves without being guided. You just see, I made a chart of the hall and said, see, if they sit here, if they sit here, they sit here. This is the question they will ask. You just be ready. When it raises this question, you know this is what he will ask. Ninety-three to ninety-four percent of the time, it's always right like that. People think they are free and they're asking questions, but if they sit in that place, that's a question they will ask. In any, in any venue, not in any particular venue, just anywhere, this may not look logical to you, but life happens like that anyway. So now you are, when you start praising the e-commerce, I know why it is, it's not that you're appreciating it.  Over 4,600 full-time volunteers who are far more educated than you are, and over nine million part-time volunteers across the world, giving their time and money and energy to make this happen. Why are people doing this? We are not promising them, we'll take you to heaven. We are not telling you, you will go and sit in God's lap. Why are they doing it? It must be done wonders to them, otherwise why will they invest their life in it? So without knowing anything, don't make conclusions. So are you the only one? Well, you can do it in so many other ways, if you knew how to figure it out, why would I be needed? You do not know how to figure it out, so somebody comes and helps. If somebody comes and helps, why are you helping people? You leave them with their problems, they'll be good business for a lawyer. Is that what you're talking to me? Please don't, don't feed upon people's problems. People have problems. If you have a solution, it's good. If you don't have a solution, at least leave them alone. Now, about commerce, we have every day, every day in the yoga center, the minimum meal is around 7,000 people per meal. On the weekends, it's 15,000 to 20,000. Whoever comes, nobody inquires, who are you? Why are you eating here? Whoever comes, they're welcome and they're fed, all right? And we are running 12 schools in rural, in remotest parts of India, which is the same level of education that one would get in a good urban school, and 40% of the children are first generation going to school.  And we have medical activity going on across Tamil Nadu in a big way. There are many other aspects, which I don't want to go on listing. For all this to happen, it needs a certain financial thing. Now, if I come to you with a begging bowl, you will say, why have you come to me with a begging bowl?  What is the problem here? What is the problem? Only thing is, I have not come to you as a client. Is that the only problem you have? I want you to know, the people who are working in the foundation, most of them, some of them are here. They are doctors, engineers, accountants. They have quit top high paying jobs in their life and they are serving for free, all right? Thousands of them. And you have something against them, please. It's not about me, because I don't do all that work. People are doing all that work, including the website and the commerce. So, just for the diversity of opinions, so that, I mean, as a moderator, I have to ask people from... Oh, women's rights, yes. About Shanishignapur, see, first of all, you have a misunderstanding that Indian temple is a place of prayer. Indian temple is not a place of prayer. I want you to know this. I want you to know this. Different temples were built in different ways for specific purposes. Shani temple is built for occult purposes. Occult means... You know what's occult? What is the Telugu word for occult? What people call as black magic or whatever, you know?  So, they said women should not go. It was also designed that on a certain day, if the woman is in a certain condition, on a full moon day, she can go. Other days, these are prescriptions. These are not restrictions. These are prescriptions. These are not discriminations. These are done with a specific intent. Or now that you're talking about women's rights, why don't you fight for the men's rights? In our temple, the Bhairavi temple that we have, men are not allowed inside the sanctum. Why don't you stand up and fight for that? I will tell you why they're not allowed. That temple is only for the women. Men are not allowed. Why is it a discrimination? It is not about discrimination. It is a certain dimension of life. If you go by this crude sense of equality, you will harm the woman immensely. There are millions of temples open to everybody. Suddenly, why discrimination will come in one temple? What are you talking about? This is not a culture which discriminated against women. There are more female deities in this country than male deities. Every village you go, there is an Amman temple. There is a Devi temple. And you think it's discrimination? These are very rudimentary ideas picked up from the west. You have not seen this culture. You have not understood the profoundness with which is run. Unfortunately, because of 15, 20 generations of poverty, we've kind of mixed it up and made a mess out of it. That is a different matter. So, before I move on to another person, and he'll probably be the last person, before I move on to you, are the people there done with that particular question or is there any further question on that particular issue? I mean, for diversity opinion, I need to choose somebody from here. So, unless you don't have a further point on the same issue, I'll proceed. So, could somebody please give him the mic? So, yes, if Job has a follow-up, then please proceed. So, this... I can't help it. I mean, if he's not satisfied with the same issue, he should be here. This crude sense of knowledge that you're talking about is the knowledge that's coming from the supreme court of the country. Hoish-picking, huh? So, this crude sense of knowledge that you say is the knowledge that's coming from the supreme court of the country. No, no, please understand. No, no, no, please present to me. Sir, you're still not addressing the point that who are you and I sitting here to make prescriptions for women and say that this is harmful for you, hence, don't do it, or this is not harmful and you shouldn't do it. It's not up for you and I to do it. If it's harmful and they still want to do it, they are free to do it, right? I mean, you say that what people want to do in their bedroom, it's an individual choice. If women want to enter it, they want to enter it, who are asked to stop it? You ask a question, please. You please ask a question.  You ask a question. You didn't answer it the first time, hence, explain it. So, you asked a question again. Let me answer this, right? The question is, who are you to tell the ladies whether they should go to this or not? No, I'm saying they should have the option. I'm saying they should have the option.  I got it, I got it. There are hundreds of temples in the country where men cannot enter. So, if men say... There's a history, there's a history of discrimination that... That is a different matter. See, you're mixing up two things. There is unfortunate history of discrimination on all levels. That's a different matter that has to be settled in a different way. But when a specific aspect comes, if you want to rule out all the subtler aspects of life and just say, this is it. Anyway, let me tell you this. This, I'm on camera. Let me tell you this, okay? Supreme Court is there to interpret the constitution. It cannot create a new constitution. Doesn't matter what are the powers of the court. It cannot create a new constitution. It is only there to interpret the law, the way it is. Is the... Am I right?  Hello? That's debatable. That's debatable. When you debate that, there is going to be lots of problems because every pressure point, you know, people will apply. Every motivated group will push for their own loss. If you create enough ruckus, some law, new law will happen. This should not happen. It is essentially within the framework of the constitution, everything should happen. In the framework of the constitution, there are laws where there are public places and there are private temples and private places of worship. How it should be done there is left to them. It is for them to decide how it happens. Is it happening simply because of a discrimination against the gender? If it is so, it must be struck down absolutely. But if there are other aspects to it, if you think you cannot consider anything else, then it's ridiculous.  It's like saying, don't I have the right to enter the ladies' toilet? What nonsense is this? Do you need a law? You just need sense that you don't go there. Job, is your question answered? It's not answered, but that's okay. It's not answered. Shall we answer, Mr. Job? There's a difference between a man not allowed to enter a woman's toilet and you using the same analogy. See, I'm not saying he's not allowed. A man who is a man will not enter. That's all I said.  So we are discussing the question of woman's entry to temple. And you're saying this is why they're not allowed once again. I'm sorry, sir, you can continue with your question. The problem, sir, you, Mr. Job, you do not know the culture of this nation. You're talking simply activism. Yeah, because I'm a Catholic, right? Because in this country, in this culture, the idea of discrimination never arose. I want you to understand even before other countries ever thought of even giving franchise to the woman, this country did not even debate whether women should have voting rights or not. It's simply there because in our culture, we never thought so. So the discrimination, exploitation is there. I want you to understand there is exploitation. There is no necessary discrimination. Exploitation is not just of the woman.  Why do you think everybody is beating the children just simply because they're small? Not because they have a right to do it. So anything which is weaker than them, they are exploiting, not just women. Unfortunately, women have also been taken a much amount of beating in terms of exploitation, but do not misunderstand exploitation and discrimination in a fundamental way. Discrimination is a different aspect. Exploitation is a different aspect. I think, Job, we can agree to disagree here and let's move on. There's one last question we'll be picking up. So for the diversity of opinion, there's somebody from the back. From the back, can the mic be given? So can you take one last question from the back? Yeah, okay. Yeah. Good afternoon. Society celebrating legalization of homosexuality when it can't even accept inter-caste marriages. What? Society celebrating legalization of homosexuality when it can't even accept inter-caste marriages. See, the thing is, I got it. Satguru, being a science student, I have a small question. No, let's finish this. No, no, no. Yes, yes, nothing. I thought one question, one question I thought. So, yeah. Can you please answer this one by one? So then there's no confusion. To maintain, in this evolution, to maintain the genetic variability, the sex or marriage should happen between different groups of people and different communities. But due to this inter-caste thing which is in our society, the marriages are happening between the same community, that is the same caste people, which leads to the further species makes this. We got the question. Yeah, got it. And sir, you have done rally for save for you. I'll leave that, leave that, please. Please do, remove this inter-caste technique in this society. Okay. So, this is related to Joe's question in a way, in the sense, see, we must understand this. Unfortunately, unfortunately, most human beings are in this condition. If they find somebody who are little weaker than them, they will see how to extract something out of them, how to dominate them, how to do these things. This is coming to you from your childhood, from your school, that you want to be number one, you want to be number one, parents are telling you this, everybody is telling you this. So, always want to be on top of somebody. So, with this, if a blacksmith thinks, a goldsmith thinks a blacksmith is inferior to him, unfortunately, though a blacksmith's work is more useful than a goldsmith's work for a making of a society. So, like this, simple professional differences, we have made it into horrible discriminations in this country. Because this is an ancient culture lived in the same place for thousands of years, people learned how to organize their exploitation against each other. They managed to organize this. So, in this context, we must understand, unless human beings evolve to a place that you do not exploit other people's weaknesses, discrimination will not go. You can talk as much as you want, it will not go. For thousands of years, it's not gone. One thing about the caste system is, it was basically a professional division, which turned out to be a very discriminatory process over a period of time. Now, largely this professional division is going away because people come, now we don't know what caste you are, it doesn't matter, you're becoming a lawyer, all right? You're not a vakil-vakil-vakil kind of caste system.  So, this transference of knowledge through family systems are gone, so in that context, caste has become irrelevant. Right now, the caste still exists much more strongly in the rural community than in the urban community because that is the only social security most people have.  I can only go back to my caste people. If I go to somebody, they're not going to help me. So, this is unfortunately the social security system that they have, which is exploited again in so many different ways. Unless we develop a universal social security system in this country that every human being has a net to fall back on, caste will not go.  You cannot, you don't even have to fight it, it'll just go away. Once this social security is there for the human being, the reason why it's gone in educated and well-to-do people is because they have their own security. They don't have to go back to their caste. But the poorer people in rural India, for them the only security is their caste. Their clan, you can only go back to your mama or your somebody else or whatever else. You can't go to a strange person and ask for help. So, we have to make the society where every human being feels secure. In the country, only then you can remove this. Otherwise you cannot remove. People are thinking this is just based on discrimination. No discrimination is coming because wherever somebody is weaker, somebody is exploiting them. This is not caste, this is not gender. Wherever, whoever they can get, they will exploit, all right?  That's the only reason. Not because they're against the woman or against the children, simply because we have still not evolved out of this that we will treat the strong and the weak the same way. This has not come into us. This will not come because you fight something. This has to come by evolving the society, by evolving individual human beings, otherwise it'll not happen. Thank you for the answers. So, the team has been... I mean, the team has been signaling to us that we should have finished this about 10, 15 minutes ago. That being said, there seem to be a lot of interested people who have been raising their hands up. If you're fine with some more questions, we can proceed, otherwise we can... It's completely... If you're okay, I'm okay, sir.  No, sir, it's your decision. No, you are the moderator. They have been signaling... If you say, answer the questions, I will leave. If you say, please leave, I will leave. So, what we can do? So, I mean, from all three sides, we'll leave. Gindo, Mike, we passed on to the back rows there. Hello? The back rows there. I will pass it on once I'm done with my question. Please speak now. So, once you have the microphone, please ask the question. Hello, Sadhguru. I'm Srikari and I'm running an NGO for underprivileged children right now. And I've sort of decided for myself that this is what I want to dedicate my life for, which is serving the society. So, I have three questions for you. The first is, being a social entrepreneur yourself, how do you think I should prepare myself for the rest of my life to be dedicated to this cause? And second thing, you've mentioned a lot of issues. For example, malnutrition and there is intolerance and there are so many issues. So, which issue do you think that our generation should target in order to get the best effect out of it? And thirdly, do you have any sort of program that can help our students who are doing this kind of an effort? Because we don't have the kind of power or exposure to reach the kind of levels that you can. If any of you have… Please sit down. If any of you have, as she said, if you have similar intentions that you want to take up a social cause and make it happen, well, you asked me, which should we take it up? In my focus right now is nourishment, education, ecology. These are the three things which are crucial for this nation. If these three things happen, all the other problems will get sorted out by themselves. If you start attacking small, small problems which are in the country, which are plenty, not one or two, they are in hundreds. Small, small issues which we are picking up. Believe me, you will not solve the problem. You will only have the satisfaction of fighting for something. Don't fight for something. We have enough fight going on. We have seen enough fights forever. It's important. This country must be well nourished. Fundamental education must happen. And ecologically, we must take some quick steps because this is the… this is the area which we cannot reverse very easily. It may take decades or even centuries sometimes to turn it back depending upon the ki