Well, good morning or afternoon whatever it is where you are. I'm Jack Lipton and I'm speaking with Jeff Glenda and I'm chairman and CEO of your energy Okay, thank you for taking the time to speak with me this morning my place and I I looked at your Company presentation on the internet and I was very impressed.  You have product sales revenues and profits this this is Amazing to me, especially since You're in one of the key critical materials for the 20th 21st century Which is uranium and not what's standing when anybody's emotions have to do with this The United States has about 25% of the world's nuclear energy generating capacity and we really depend on I'm in Detroit where we have Michigan has three or four nuclear plants and this is a big industrial state. That's not a coincidence. So I Also know because I've been involved in uranium for some time That the United States imports 95% or so of our uranium Even though our neighbor Canada For example, is the produce that I believe the world's third largest producer of uranium at this point. That's correct Hey, and and and I would assume that The largest today is are the Kazakhs is Kazakhstan about 40% of global primary production okay, and You are competing then with material imported from Kazakhstan Canada and and other African-American producers Are you competitive? Well, we are and and I think that one of the things that needs to be stated here is that Last year, of course, actually in January of 2018 we submitted a section 232 petition which was a section under the trade expansion Act of 1962 and we felt compelled to do so and and this was immediately after a face-to-face meeting with the secretary of energy Rick Perry and One of the things that we went in and we were speaking to him about was our concerns At the idea that at that time your numbers are correct We were roughly producing about 5% of our own needs here in the United States and the other 95% was coming from outside the country Almost 50% of that coming from Russia Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. So we found ourselves in a position where although nuclear energy Provides 20% of our base load in the United States. We were allowing ourselves to become dangerously dependent on well Let's call them geostrategic rivals and I think that at best you can say that that is just dangerous national security policy and we felt that the section 232 would be the best Avenue that we could go to address that problem for the nation I understand that our agreement to limit supplies from the Russians expires this year. That's correct and What is your what have you been told about what's going to happen next? Keep in mind now That's a different animal that is the Russian suspension agreement and that was put in place in 1992 as a result of an Anti-dumping action that was taken by the uranium producers in the United States at that time And I'll go so far as to say that it would in 1992 was a good idea. Remember this was right after the fall of the Berlin Wall Material was disappearing and rich material was disappearing Scientists were disappearing bombs were disappearing and we had to do something about it So we felt that buying their material under the Russian suspension agreement Would be something that would take some of that material out of the market give them some of the cash and capital that they needed And so it was I think done for the right reasons at the right time But you move forward and you put Vladimir Putin in a position of power then in the United States and now all of a sudden Kazakhstan gets removed from the suspension agreement the Russians ramp up their own production And of course the Kazakhs begin to really ramp up production and both of these do it as state-owned enterprises So you asked earlier are we competitive the answer is is that yes We're the lowest-cost producer outside of Kazakhstan in the world But one of the reasons why this has become such a problem is because the Kazakhs as a state-owned enterprise They not only receive subsidies from their government which offset their base cost But in addition to that they've devalued their currency by 85 90 percent over the last five years They have virtually no environmental restrictions, and they've got virtual slave labor Why I would submit to you that anybody can look like an economic miracle under those circumstances Well, you know, you know, you're you're talking an analog of the work market, aren't you? You know Jack you're absolutely right and I'll tell you something as we have met with members of the president's working group Two of them both the Department of Energy and Department of Defense has have gone so far as to literally say to us We cannot let the fuel cycle go the way of rare earth So it's a very good analogy. Oh, and I for my experience recently in Government US government. I think that's exactly what the thinking is right now and I've been involved in uranium mining and processing for quite a while and I didn't think anything was going to happen, but I really do think that the the rare earth Interests so to speak it has has like catalyzed a look at other things And one of one of the other critical supply chains is uranium and and the thing is unlike Unlike where it's with the public doesn't really understand where where it's are used It's no secret where uranium is used and so the idea that we would be dependent on The power that is most reviled by our people in Washington is Incredible to me and I think that as in this year, especially this is going this is going to become a political discussion Well, the thing is that you you You are such a logical investment that I can't imagine that people aren't aren't beating a path to your door because It looks to me from reading the material that's publicly available That as you ramp up you're you're increasing revenues and profits It's not like you're going to ramp up and suddenly have a squeeze on profits you know and so so I don't I To be honest with you I have not know much about your company until about a few weeks ago, but it's quite to be honest It's an investment I would make because I think you're a winner So tell me why tell me why I shouldn't do that. Is there anything wrong with my analysis? I really think that your company is a producer the lowest-cost producer you have revenues and profits right now What's there's nothing wrong with that picture? No, there isn't and look I think that What's happening is that there's a great deal of uncertainty unfortunately in the uranium space and you hit on it earlier With the intended to or not, but there is no question that uranium is far and away The most highly politicized commodity in the world There's no question about it And so a lot of emotion does come into the analysis and while on paper fundamentally, yes I wouldn't trade places with anybody Our lost Creek facility that we brought into production has just turned into a beast and the lowest cost producer as I said Outside Kazakhstan and I gave the reasons why their costs are lower But one of the things that we did and then and I took a lot of heat for this was back after Fukushima in 2011 and Of course, that was a watershed event for our industry We went ahead and we decided that we needed to have long-term contracts in place to protect ourselves and to protect our shareholders So we put those long-term contracts in place extending all the way out to 2021 to cover the entire decade and at the time I was criticized because some of our investors felt as though I was giving away their blue sky and the turnaround was always just a couple of quarters away Well, the reality is is that? Inventories are a great unknown in our industry because governments treat them as national security Secrets and big companies and utilities treat them as proprietary information that they simply won't divulge in the marketplace So that's always been kind of an X factor for us So when we brought section 232 for example It was to not only make sure that we had we were sustaining a viable industry For our own company and for our shareholders, but absolutely on a national security level as well But no your analysis is correct Fundamentally, we are a strong if not stronger than any other company out there I wouldn't trade places with any other company and by the way, there were about 585 companies in the uranium space as of 2007 today. There are less than 40 and of those I don't think there are 10 that anybody should consider putting any money in there. They're just small Exploration companies, okay, I'll be you're you're aware of or involved in the working Washington President's working group on your on uranium. Can you tell us what what the latest is on that? Well, we are very much so and and I think that first let me make just a couple of Precedent statements here one would be that of course section 232 timed out on July 12th of 2019 At that time the president decided that there was to be no action taken What he did instead was by presidential memorandum He put in place the United States nuclear fuel working group Which is comprised of seven members of his cabinet seven agencies of his cabinet two scientific groups two other groups of federal Energy regulatory commission and the nuclear budget regulatory commission and Larry Kudlow and John Bolton were co-chairs of the working group Now what he gave them was 90 days to present recommendations to him, which would have been honor about say October 12th I felt that that was a tall order. Let's face it the the the nuclear fuel cycle Whether you're starting with just uranium production going to conversion Enrichment and then on to fabrication is complex and it involves a lot of different players So coming up with recommendations as to how you're going to fix that Quite broken cycle in 90 days was a tall order. They asked for a 30-day extension and they got it So what happened was is that the recommendations came from the working group and were delivered to the White House on November 14th Now it's important to understand that they were delivered to the White House. That does not mean they were delivered to the president They were actually delivered to the chairman of the working group. That's Larry Kudlow so in all there were 66 recommendations that were made and At this time now still after a little more than two months Those recommendations still sit with Larry Kudlow now members of our group We formed a small group ourself called the industry core working group that represented ourselves the only other producer in the United States energy fuels and The only converter in the United States Converdyne and one of the remaining enrichers Centres so it put us in a position where we made our own recommendations to the working group But Larry Kudlow and we've been able to meet with him And he has made it clear that he will not present their recommendations to the president until he feels that they are Absolutely absolutely ready to to submit them. I think it's also important that what they want to do They have they I think in Larry Kudlow and in President Trump You have two people that understand the how critical the situation is with the nuclear fuel cycle in the United States and Retaining our seat at the table when it comes to all things nuclear not just nuclear weapons, but our commercial capability as well And so what you have there is I think that they'll get it over to them I think it'll be in the first quarter here and I'm going to the nuclear energy Institute conference Which is going to be held on Wednesday of this week We will get an update from The working group or on the working group at that conference along no much more later in the week But at this point in time, it's still rests with Larry Kudlow and has not yet gone to the president Thank you very much for joining us and spending the time to tell us what you're doing And we're going to we're going to keep our eye on your company and and perhaps in a month or so We'll come back and you can tell us what progress you've made Well, it's it's been my pleasure and please do because 2020 promises to be a very eventful year, so we're gonna have a lot happening this year. Thank you so much for having me Thank you


Hi, it's Bridget. Welcome to Above Life Channel. The purpose here is to inspire your spirit and to fill you up with hope. Today I wanted to do a video. I'm actually going to let you just kind of watch me process. I'm going to process. I went over the weekend and finally I saw the movie Bohemian Rhapsody and it was sort of a birthday present and I was able to go on a chilly Saturday and watch it. And now it's Monday when I'm recording this. So I saw it on Saturday about noon and I'm still processing it. So I'd like to talk about it with you a little bit. First of all, I want to say to anyone who's a mega fan of Freddie Mercury or the band Queen that I am not going to give like a full assessment or an evaluation of the credibility of the movie or the facts of the movie or anything like that. That's not what this is about. This is about Bridget processing from the perspective of what I know and how I've connected with Freddie in the afterlife and how now I've learned a little more about his life through the movie. And I recognize that the movie is not going to be this accurate. It's not a documentary. So I know it's not this like play by play of his life and such. So I know what the criticisms are. I know that there are some criticisms in the movie. So besides all that, me as a person processing and knowing Freddie in the afterlife as just this oh gosh not okay. Right away I can see him.  He's like leaning in like listening to see what I'm going to say about him. Very sweet. He's a very sweet soul, kind and muse-like, like a muse very creative and colorful and expressive and honest. I think you're very honest. That's how I would describe you. And so in the movie, so let me talk to them about the movie. So in the movie theater when we were watching the movie, I got very emotional at the part and I know some of you are going to think this is so strange, but I got really emotional when I was watching the movie at the part where they did The We Will Rock You and they were showing it was a scene where the band was showing how they wanted to get the audience involved or what have you.  They played it all the time for everything and randomly the fans even now in my like my daughter's age in their high school my kids right now they do it they stamp their feet and clap their hands and they sing it they just sing it randomly sing it I mean it's crazy and I mean it's cool right it transcends it's like a legendary and so when that came I I just felt this incredible energy through the back of my heart and it like came like from the back of me like just this warmth from like under my shoulder blades and right through my center of my heart and just this like out the front like just like a canon of love like fireworks and just like spraying love over everyone and so that everyone was included and I cried like I really think goodness I had like napkins from the popcorn and I just cried and that's like like a random scene to cry I just cried and cried I just was like oh like and I said I feel you I feel the caring for the fans for the audience and it was so funny so that was the one big thing that I remember prior to that like early on in the movie when the very beginning when they they open up in the movie and they're showing live aid the performance of live aid and then the movie goes back through all the the scenes and then it ends with the live aid kind of thing you know and so they open up with the live aid and just getting ready to step on stage he's there and he's kind of jumping you know ready he gets up in the morning he goes gets ready and he's there and and they open the the curtain and there's like people everywhere and there's like a camera like right in his face and he's like right walking out on stage and I and I see it from like we see it they show us cinematically from his perspective and stepping out there and then it's just seeing all these people and this camera here and camera over here and there's you know all these wires and stuff and cameras down here and I'm just like it doesn't even face him like I'm standing there and I'm having this experience in the movie theater because that's what that's what they want you to experience right like you're him and I am seeing through his eyes as you did probably when you watch the movie and there was no there was no fear there was no stage fright there was no oh my god all these people are here there was just this yes of course like such a gift like yeah all right you know I'm one of you I'm with you and there wasn't this separation like he's on stage he's the queen and they're the the devoted followers it wasn't like that there was no separation there was just unity there was just unity and that's how he really felt like he really felt that way and then he says and I leaned over to tell my husband because I said he said because he was right so my husband was here on my right side then it was me and then Freddie of course was sitting next to me because I thought I didn't know if he would like come to the movie I didn't know what's gonna happen really and I was open I was like I don't I just wanted to go because I felt like I should have the experience before it gets out of the theaters you know I mean I needed to have that experience all of you have said how wonderful it is and I wanted to know him more so I thought hey I'm gonna go the movie and my husband really wanted to go to like really want it like he has been on me since like December to go and we just haven't been able to go and so my birthday weekend in February perfect so we did and so he was next to me so I knew he was there because I could feel all the warmth on my shoulder and I just kind of like didn't really say much and so after the movie started during that scene and open in this love and this just they were one he the band wasn't better than the people and the people weren't better than the band it was just the synchronicity and this just this the energy was just this beautiful it was like an infinity sign you know it was just this beautiful exchange this giving and receiving on both every single person there it was so awesome to feel how he felt when he performed on stage and so cool and so that I lean over to my husband and I said Freddie said I said Freddie says Bridget would have a heart attack like getting on stage and having all these people there like that like I like he said I would have heart attack and he's probably right he didn't say that he those weren't his exact words his exact words were something like Bridget would blank her pants you know like crap my pants she would crap her pants but he didn't say crap he's the different word a little more stronger and I don't like to use it on YouTube you know so uh yeah that's what he really said and I'm like he's right she would her pants yeah I would I would I would and so um that was just kind of funny but then that emotional experience with We Will Rock You and it's because it so I work as a psychic and a medium but I also work as a healing as a clear and a healer I work in energy as well and so if you've had session with me you know that and like I am the total package to be quite honest and I love it I love it like I know my worth just like Freddie did I know my worth he knew the worth of his band I know the words of my band all right so the point is is I can feel so when you you put your feet on the earth like that and you tap the earth you're connecting to earth energy you're connecting into all the life source all the shock to energy you're bringing up that energy that Kundalini from the earth that life source energy and you're bringing it right into your body and you're doing it twice and then you clap your hands and the hands are an extension of the heart chakra so you're bringing up energy from the earth from the root and bring it all the way up through your body and when you clap you're letting it out through your heart chakra so that's why I felt it like warm in the back of my shoulder blades coming through the the center of the heart and then like rockets firing and cannons beautiful colors of fireworks and just this beautiful golden this spray over everybody like oh my god it was so beautiful so beautiful so those were the cool things I thought you guys would appreciate hearing my perspective of the movie and my like sensory experiences that I had during it and you know I understand that the I understand that some fans and viewers especially would feel that some of the the storyline about Freddie's personal life his private life his shenanigans I'm going to say your shenanigans that's what he would say probably actually my shenanigans was glossed over a bit and I know that some people really wanted more of the raw like the real experience because a lot of like his his love life and his relationships and this need it almost seemed like he was constantly alone and he was so he was seeking connection or seeking love it seemed like and I have felt that when I connected with him this incredible desire to be connected to others and I wouldn't say I'm not even connected belonging like that's why I think for him in the band to feel like family was so important to him and they did and that was very truthful they he very much it was all of them you know he wasn't like this oh me me me it was very much all he really did and they all do have that really and that's honest I mean that's pure and I always feel when I've connected with him even though he's fun and and muse like and just such a joy I mean just so caring he's so loving he's just so free loving with his energy he just you know readily accepts other people and things and he a little bit cautious but he wants to love people he wants that's what I would say not really accepts I would say he wants to love people he really wants to love people and he wants to be loved and feel it and there's such a sadness about that isn't there I mean he feels like the inner child within him just it wasn't even inner child because you can't look at his upbringing or his family and say oh it was the family that's not at all what he projects or portrays even though they had a a different a rather strict structure around you know faith and spirituality and and and and such he and they were basically refugees from what I understand now from what many of you have told me and what I've seen in the movie and you know and and heard from other sources as well that I mean basically you know and so it wasn't it wasn't easy it was not an easy life or upbringing but I wouldn't say he didn't love himself I wouldn't say that either because that's not true that's not really accurate either but but I feel like I feel like I understand this and I'm just going to be bold and say that I feel like I understand that because of my experience and it's brought up a whole bunch of stuff for me to even for more healing for me around the relationship I had with my dad who died of AIDS who led a secret life and was married and yet having relationships with men as well and that wasn't known like at least us like the kids and my mom didn't know she said she didn't know and so understanding that there's this is there a part of me that's bad because this isn't like what my family wants for me or not feeling accepted within ourselves you know what I mean like it's almost like there's so much fear over how the people that we love the most will accept us I don't know how to explain this it's hard to articulate these things and especially because I myself haven't had this experience well that's not totally true so when when it comes to being who you are I sure as hell have had that experience trying to have enough guts and courage to stand up and say this is who I am I am a psychic I am a medium I know that's not the norm I know people will call me all sorts of crazy things and they do on YouTube too a lot of those things get caught though because I have a filter but all sorts of insane things people say about that and how horrible it is that I'm a psychic and a medium and things they still like now but it's different because now I'm like hey this is who I am and I love this this is beautiful and it's a gift and it's who I am I am in my authenticity I'm showing up I'm on YouTube for crying out loud this is who I am so I understand what it's like to have to kind of fight to be who you are and that's part of the reason why my first marriage broke up was because I'm like no this is who I am this is the way it is I'm not going to hide this or pretend like it's some circus act thing because it's not this is who I am and so I can relate to needing to fight to be who you are or even within yourself to accept it because I had a perfectly great life I mean I went to college I have a couple of college degrees actually I'm educated and I had a 10 year career that was quite successful and working my way up the career I mean I had I mean this isn't for the money clearly because I was making so much more than that and I had benefits and tuition reimbursement and great hours and vacation all sorts of stuff and so I had to make choices to align myself to be who I am to allow myself to just fully accept it not just even embrace it and live it but first you have to accept it and so I think for Freddie perhaps maybe that was a lifelong struggle and not even to accept that he was gay but to understand how that works for him how that fits when he loved Mary so much because he clearly loved Mary he loved her like like you love your wife like you love your high school sweetheart like you love your spouse like you love like he loved her like she was the one for him you know and yet he was attracted to men and so there's like this and it's it's interesting because it's like in the movie there's this line like he says to her I think I'm bisexual and she said no you're gay and yet I'm like well if this if this would have happened instead of in the late 80s or in the 80s early 80s mid 80s whatever 80s let's say early 80s okay so this wouldn't have happened in the early 80s if it would happen in 2012 or 15 how would this have been different because there's less of a need it seems like to define relationships and through intimacy or sexuality that it's different you know what I mean it's not there's not this you're this or you're that you know it's not like that anymore really I mean I mean I don't think it is so I just I don't it's not true that he didn't love himself because he clearly had so much love and capacity for love but he was so lonely like felt like people didn't really understand them because he didn't feel like he really belonged in either place he didn't belong in relationship with women he didn't belong in the relationship with men maybe it would be different if he could have gotten married because he really it feels like he wanted that commitment you know that family he wanted that like that was the thing that's the deal with the cats you guys is that and it's funny because I was telling them wow the cats totally an unconditional love thing and I don't want to be a lone thing and a divine feminine thing actually hello divine feminine Freddie Mercury you've got a lot of that vibrational energy that's pretty cool we should do a whole video just about that we should chat about that he says let's do it yes we could so am I reflecting like I'm processing how I am interpreting things how do you feel about all this he said it's not my feelings it's your feelings this whole point he says the whole point is for you to understand to learn more about whatever it is you need to learn more about for your life yeah he says Bridget you know it's about you your dad I'm like I know that was the hardest part for me in that one and I thought it would be more emotional when I watched the scene but it wasn't it was after that I think I've had two nights of like dreams about stuff about pieces of the movies the movie and I've woken up with songs in my head that I've never heard before which are queen songs by the way thank you very much mr. Freddie Mercury I'm like what is this song so I type up the line on my phone when I wake up because it's in my head and then it's a queen song thanks um he said it's medicine it's medicine yeah it is isn't it um that part of the movie at the end when they show you getting diagnosed and leaving and you know having to be like in kind of a disguise and that kind of thing and then seeing the young man that's there and with his lesion so he obviously had very very advanced stage of AIDS and you know they made him look really like he was you know very close to the end of his life recognizing you and you responded back to him with humanity you know and I'm sure that didn't actually happen like I mean I don't I don't believe any of that I mean I know a lot of the movie stuff was brought together to create an experience to take us on a journey and to reflect many aspects of who you were and what queen was and how how it affected other people like the the energy of the fans and this desire to belong and how how through this experience of the movie we get all of these emotions and understandings from it in all of these experiences but they're not you know this is exactly what happened that's not what the movie you guys that's not what a movie is you go to a documentary if you want that um what touched me about that part was thinking about how you and I know this about you from talking with you in our conversations where when you were diagnosed with AIDS you refused to just roll over and die from it you're like oh oh poor me oh I mean it's not like you went into this like horrible depression or anything like that it was like oh well okay I'm gonna live now I'm gonna live I'm gonna do whatever I can and I'm gonna live I'm gonna do what I can with the time that I have left like really this appreciation for life and that is so beautiful that is profound and that's exactly how he is you guys that's exactly how he felt that's exactly how he was that's exactly how he lived so beautiful Freddie I need to do more videos like this and we're gonna have to chat again because I don't want this to get too long people get bored of that kind of stuff so he says oh it's totally bored he's like oh I'm bored too he's like sitting there and like petting the cat he's playing the cat like all right let's have another talk should we yeah start it again all right this is Bridget at Above Life channel this has been my response my initial reactions to watching the movie Bohemian Rhapsody I was able to watch it over the weekend and I know many of you have been on me to tell me I need to see it so here's some of my initial responses my feelings about it and a few little tidbits about Freddie as he has joined me for it all right this isn't a traditional channeling video I know but I thought it was important to share it with you thank you so much for watching if you liked this video give it a thumbs up if you'd like to see more with Freddie Mercury please put it in the comments below let me know I'd appreciate that thank you so much for watching remember the purpose has been to inspire your spirit and to fill you up with hope because this right here and right now this is your life this is your life so live it go live it thanks for watching


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All right. One other thing we heard this week was more bad news concerning Josh Gordon. Yeah. He was suspended indefinitely again by the league. Give us an update. Well it was not for marijuana. This is also a situation where Josh Gordon. He did not appeal the suspension. He just took the penalty immediately. And the Patriots they knew there's issues with Josh. They had people with him constantly before the trade deadline. They were trying to trade for a top receiver a Randall Cobb DiMarias Thomas just for fear that something like this could happen. This is also not a lifetime ban. The NFL saying he could still come back. He's obviously going to have to show that he is on the straight now and has completely changed his ways. But obviously rough news there for Josh Gordon. Yeah. That's really rough news. Jay and a lot of people think you're young. You're successful. You're making a lot of money. How could you screw this up. But I think they just go to show is how real addiction is. And I've experienced some of this in my own family. And for me it didn't make sense. But now I understand it is real. And for Josh we just hope he gets the help that he needs because football is what you do. It's not who you are. And he has a life outside of football. Football is secondary to him getting his life together. And I think we all here just hope that this young man certainly won him right. The other end of the tunnel to the bright spot anyone has so many people have had family members suffer through addiction issues. You know they doesn't care about status stature. That stuff doesn't matter. Good luck to Josh Gordon. Just get his life straightened out.


Thank you, Martí, we are going to follow with the first table and as you said we always try to mix experiences, the new programs, the projects from the roots and also some reflections about the nowadays debates on commemorating Europe but the first table it's my honor also to give the floor and to say hello to the colleagues from the European Commission, first of all Gilles Pelaio, Buengior, he is head of unit of the SERF program at the IACA agency, ACEA and he was the responsible also to improve and to follow this project and how to move this project from one general direction to the other and how it's now bigger than it was before and the challenges nowadays and how is this program is going to continue and to follow and also to say hello to Peter Fabian Hayek from the DG Justice and he is responsible of the remembrance strand of this SERF program to SERF program it's a citizenship equality rights and values and how these remembrance public policies are interaction with this platform to help these stakeholders civil society associations inside this citizenship program so first of all Gilles, thank you very much, Constance, Martí for the for the house and Jordy for your room it's always very good to to be back in this format of meeting annual and it's nice because it allows us to really as an amenity take a bit stock of the elapsed year and the purpose of our intervention will be to to take stock of how the you know the funding programs on remembrance have evolved over the the past 12 years I will start with a very it's a general since set up presentation on the overall parameters of the program and then better Fabian Hayek who is a co-coordinator on on remembrance will share more focus and more detailed information on on this part of the program which is I think of a greater interest to the participants and to the member of the the euro network and and other let's say friendly participants so just to say that the the elapsed year has been quite quite eventful when we left each other last year in December 2020 the new programs were not finalized yet completely the let's say the even even if there was a kind of political agreement at the top of the EU level let's say the exact parameters and and budgets for remembrance and generally for our program were not set yet today we are in a much much better place because we we have the citizens equality rights and values program that has confirmed the interest in the importance attached to to working on remembrance issues on on history and and that is good and that is comforting for actors like you in terms of the the budget also the political signal has been sent that this is an area of growing importance because from an initial let's say estimate of in excess of 600 million euro the budgetary authority that is the the european parliament and the council have pitched it pitched it for the the programming period 21 27 finally at 1.55 billion euro for the overall program and not only for for remembrance so this is quite significant and since we are hosted here by the european parliament i would like to to salute the the pivotal role of the european parliament in making this happen because members of the european parliament on many sides of the the political spectrum have really supported this this program throughout the negotiations so so that's one one important point the objectives of the citizens equality rights and values program are wider than just remembrance indeed they are broad the the general objective is to to protect and promote the rights and values as a enshrine in the EU treaties and the EU charter by supporting civil society organizations and local actors all their stakeholders active at the local regional national and transnational level because we also work with the local authorities in some components of the the program so there are four major components in the in the program the union values trend because strong emphasis has been put on the union values and the union values trends we we will do we are already doing what we call operating grants to to civil society organizations so it's my privilege and pleasure that this is already a call for proposals that we have done and i can congratulate uh your home for being selected again um for four years framework partnership with us so um that gives you know a long-term visibility to to big uh partners at the at the european level and and it's let's say comforting to see that the important work done by the network will be able to to continue with our support over the the coming four years there is a second strand that's called equality rights and gender uh that is uh managed by our colleagues in digital justice which is the successor of the rights equality and citizenship program and then there's the the third trend third strand called citizens engagement and participation and that is uh where remembrance activities are are being supported so the this trend is the is the successor to the european citizens uh program so it's been incorporated in this broader bigger program and the citizens engagement and participation strand uh repeat is is where we will launch uh calls for proposals on the remembrance as um as peter will uh will explain there is a fourth trend called the daftness trend um focused on the the fight against say violence notably domestic uh violence violence also against women and it's um also an important element of what we do this is also managed by our colleagues in digital justice so that's globally uh the the the scene that i wanted to to set um so confirmation of uh the growing importance of working on uh on memory issues this has been confirmed at the political level the um evolution of you know political uh debates all across the continent illustrates even more than ever uh perhaps the importance of having uh transnational approaches to uh history to memory to memories and um and we will continue over the uh the coming now six years because the first year is already about to to finish i now give the the floor to to peter fabian hayek who will zoom in on the um the exact uh let's say singularities and parameters of the remembrance action within the program hello so i'm peter fabian hayek uh just a little correction to geordi i am also from the the agency the european edification and culture executive agency i i'm replacing uh yoannes burman who was supposed to be here from digi justice as as you very well said so my presentation will will go about the the the 2022 edition of the european remembrance program so the the one that is uh to come and also uh i will briefly and uh first and present uh uh sorry uh i share my screen the the results of the of the last call which was 2021 uh this year we we published two programs basically because uh because of the the nature of of the new programming so uh very recently on the 16th of november we have published our last program but first let's speak about the key figures of the 2021 which have been shared with the with the applicants um on tuesday morning uh through the funding and tender portal and you can also uh just show you see it on the web page of the of the 2021 program by going to topic updates and here you can see all the all the results so basically this year uh the deadline was on the 22nd of june at the 17 hour russles time it is always this uh uh as opposed to the european citizens program where it was at noon but uh okay it's just an interesting fact uh the the cost budget was uh 4,515,000 euros we received 95 proposals of which uh we had 84 eligible we have selected 27 proposals uh on the main list for funding so we began the contracting with them and four proposals were placed on the reserve list so for the next call the 2022 uh euro for european remembrance sorry uh the call has been published on the 16th of November as i said sadly however due to technical issues that we that is above our our head so we cannot uh solve it ourselves we need for this the the the it department uh to to be able to solve this problem so we we expect to open it as soon as possible the deadline for submission will be on the 24th of march uh 2022 uh the evaluation will run from month to june uh notification of results from june to july and uh we expect to to start the signature of the plan decision in august and which will last until october um yep sorry just a second i need to fix here okay voila the budget for this new call is eight million euros and um um a drastic change compared to the euro for citizens program where we also had the european remembrance uh uh action is that there are no more limits to the to the maximum grant requested in this uh program this is a lambson type of grant uh as i will explain the objective of the of the call is is to support projects in that commemorating defining events in modern european history including the causes and consequences of authoritarian totalitarian regimes and the tracing of onus among european citizens of the common history culture cultural heritage and values thereby enhancing their understanding of the union its origin purpose diversity and achievements of the importance of mutual understanding and tolerance so our priorities we have two priorities um under the first priority applications uh are expected to to commemorate research and to teach about crimes committed under the totalitarian and authoritarian regimes with a priority on holocaust remembrance research and education but not exclusively holocaust this is the first priority but projects under this priority can also focus on other crimes committed under totalitarian authoritarian regimes in the modern european history of course under the second priority projects should focus on the key role that resistance plays in fighting occupation overthrows totalitarian regimes and paved the way for democratic transitions in europe projects under this priority should analyze and highlight resistance and organize the opposition or highlight the democratic transition including attempts providing justice for victims or focus uh on how the EU accession influence democratic standards and practices of the new democracies throughout the accession process of course there might be overlaps between these two priorities so the project i mean the applications and the projects can treat both of the priorities if they want but they should at least uh focus on one of those two priorities so yeah in order to be eligible the activities should be in scope with the objectives of the program and they should address one or both of the two priorities as i said they should include minimum two different organizations develop two different eligible organizations develop different types of activities and make them accessible to everyone involve different target groups preferably they should be implemented preferably at transnational level they should share and promote memory promote the memory and legacy of the crimes committed by totalitarian regimes as well as research to curb distortion as uh Jordi already mentioned this during his introduction speech and they should also foster a culture of remembrance and understanding so what we expect from this project is to is to allow a european approach to history related to holocaust and to add the european dimension to relevant debates on important historical events and moments of the recent european history they should contribute to create lasting changes in participants attitude towards european history its values and its culture to counter holocaust denial and distortion which is at the at its peak now when in these times apparently the to identify safeguard and make available archival materials uh testimonies and authentic sites for education purposes commemoration and research and to encourage common culture of respecting fundamental rights and EU values in the target audience so what should this will be the technical part of my presentation for those who want to apply to our program i mean to our call so the proposal submits should be submitted electronically and i will come back to our home page just to have a practical view so when this is the the new call as home page european remembrance 2022 so here you might find all the links to the relevant documents in the topic conditions and documents you will find the the budget overview and all the metadata on the on the on the call and as soon as it will be opened here you will be able to to access the submission forms that i will also show later if the time permits and i'm coming back to my presentation so the or not okay so the the proposer should be submitted electronically as i say through the fntp portal they should be complete and contain the mandatory annexes and they cannot exceed 70 pages i have to say that it it should be sufficient normally to to have this you can you there are some i have to say indications in the part b as we call it the that you should respect for lump sum proposers such as such as this one and if you respect them and you you don't duplicate tables that are not used for lump sum you can also gain pages if you want if you need so the to be eligible applicants should be legal entities public or private bodies from eligible countries for the time being only you member states are eligible but we are expecting to to have other countries associated to our programs as soon as they begin negotiations with the with us we can begin the the negotiations on the association agreements which will allow them then to join the program we try to update our sites on the eligibility of countries i mean not try but we do but for the time being only you member states are eligible so if you intend to involve non-member states they can be associated partners in the project which is also allowed by the new proposal template the the applicants should be public original authorities or non-profit organizations including civil society organizations survivors associations and cultural youth education and research organizations applicants and partners should be registered in the participants register and should have a big number at the application stage this big number should not be valid taken they just have to create a big number so the other conditions is that as i already said that the consortium should be composed at least of two applicants two eligible applicants because associated partners are not are not applicants per se and are not beneficiaries so eligible activities i have already explained this the geographic location other than the the eligible countries the activities should also be organized in eligible countries eligible i mean eligible for funding you can always organize activities outside the eligible countries but then the activities that are organized there will not be eligible the project must comply with the ethics and EU values as described in the article two of the treaties on the european union treaty on the european union an article 21 of the u-charter of the fundamental rights and they must also comply with the child i mean applicants should have a child protection policy as soon as they will they will interact with children's or will will involve children's in their activities if not or if i mean if some members of the consortium will involve children in their activities those members should have a child protection policy this is mandatory the so at the later stage the financial capacity will be checked for those that are selected based on the rules that are established in the in the program but the operational capacity is is checked by the experts and assess assess together with the award criterion quality the the award criterion are the following relevance quality and impact the relevance has a minimum pass score of 25 points out of 40 quality has a maximum core of 40 and impact has a maximum score of 20 and the project overall i mean the application's overall pass score is 70 so if a project doesn't reach an application doesn't reach 70 points or in relevance 20 to 25 points then it cannot be selected for funding the i must also as you will see put an emphasis on the gender perspective of the projects because it's integrated in in the relevance part and in the in the quality part and directly also in the in the dissemination impact the part of the project this is an overarching aspect and the should be taken really into account during the the planning of the of the activities and the and the call so the under the sub criterion under the criteria relevance the following sub criteria are are checked so whether the the project is relevant to the objectives and the priorities of the call if the needs are clearly defined and the the needs assessment is clearly established in the project if the target group is clearly defined and and the the gender perspective is also taken into account in the selection of the target group and the other aspects if the project contributes to the EU strategic and legislative context whether it has an european and transnational and or transnational dimension if it is suitable to transfer good practices and if it has a potential to to develop mutual cross border cooperation uh voila so the the of octane and quality will treat uh about the the clarity and consistency of the of the application and the future project the logical links between the identified problems needs and the solutions the methodology of implementation with again the gender perspective as it is highlighted in red uh under these criterion that it is also assessed how the project is feasible within the proposed time frame and um yes so sorry this is not what i wanted to do uh this is what so and under the last criteria criterion uh impact uh we are looking for uh the ambition and the expected long-term impact of the results on the target groups and the general public of the application the appropriate dissemination strategy for ensuring sustainability and long-term impact a potential for a positive multiplayer effect and how the project is sustainable on the long term if uh and after the EU funding ends so you can see in the new call we have only three main criteria uh compared to four that we have had before so what makes a good proposal it a good proposal should already have uh be in line with the policy priorities and have a clear focus these its objectives should be realistic and relevant to the participating organizations and target groups uh it should address real needs in the field it should have a real established well established methodology should be consistent with realistic project objectives methodology and activities the budget should reflect the foreseen activities it is especially important for lump sum projects because as uh it is described in the call document we we are uh promoting i mean the the lump sum is based on events so it means that the all your activities should be organized around events uh as such to be able to to claim uh to claim uh funding i'm sorry my kids are having homeschooling and so so yes and the budget should reflect on on the forcing activities as i said coming back to this the the lump sum is established through events one event can be composed of several activities but one event should be presented as one work package in the call for proposal in the part b of the proposal and and yeah the deliverables should be organized around this the partnerships should be strong it means that the the partners uh and they will come back in the next screen and the the realistic it should promote realistic and sustainable results and a good media coverage so if you have a project idea in mind before starting to complete the application you have to take uh uh time to formulate this idea maybe download the the project documentation and and then review it very well try to try to organize your ideas on how the the data are requested from you and be sure that your project fits into the european remembrance objective and priorities of course and ensure that the partners that are involved in the project uh have been uh have been involved in the creation of the of the project itself because we see sometimes that the partners don't even really know what the project is about and uh until uh submission and that allow time as i said for drafting reviewing and redrafting the project so this is basically uh the same so this is again um partners should be familiar with the application and you should be familiar with the implementation of the the project the the numbers dates and venues of the meeting should already planned in advance of course this is a application is a plan but if you have a strong plan uh you have then you can formulate your ideas around that so i don't know if uh i still have the time because then i will just present the technicalities i don't know if someone can tell me if i still have the time or i think it's good okay so this this will be uh you know the submission procedure on where to find the call how to create your application and the the proposal structure so first again i will go because okay we have the print screen but uh i think it's even better if you if we go directly to the web page and we go to the funding and tender portal of the commission which by now i think that most of you must know uh so this is uh i go to the home so here you you can find us here in the citizens equality rights and values program serve okay but there are several so you click here you you fall here and you can search on on our programs and on the program and the and the calls and the news on the program and but what i like to use is this one to find the cost of proposals and tender so here you can write serve or european you know remembrance or just remembrance and it will it will show you the i mean the last one which was the remembrance 2020 of the europeans or europe for citizens program and here the already closed the 2021 call and the open one that that is here so here you will find the main topic description the size set topic conditions and the the i will come to that the standard proposal template and the lump sum calculator i will show you a print screen about this that it will be visible when you enter through the start submission you will have to click on the button it will lead you to the so-called sub submission page and there you will be able to fill in the data the the main data for the applicants so now i come back to the print screen okay this is what you will see you will click on it start submission and you will arrive to this page so in in if you don't have a peak or your partner organizes organization doesn't have a peak they should first register on you have to go to again the funding and tender portal and click on register which will be in the upper right corner and you register your organization at this stage please be aware that only as applicants so here we are talking about multi beneficiary projects so all the partners are applicants as well except the associated partners so the applicants should have should be eligible which means that they should be non-profit or local or regional authorities which means that when you fill in and you register please take good care of filling it as non-profit if you are non-profit and because then it can cause problems at the later stage too okay so then when all the peak numbers are ready you can begin to create your application so here you at this page you can by typing your organization number you can you can find the organization if it has already a peak number of course and you put your peak number there and you you pick your organization so the first organization will be of course the coordinator organization the single point of contact between the commission and and the project and then you add one by one your organization here of course don't pay attention that this is a card litty page because I cannot show you pages since the project is I mean the 2021 call is already closed but this is basically the same registry process so by adding partners you can again fill in with peak numbers you'll find it and you can add them you can also add affiliated entities if if you need to and add associated partners to your project so the coordinator as I said is the main point of contact between the the commission parts of the of the application but the partners are there also you know to help to reach the objectives and solve the problem so the day we advise now since we moved from a monobeneficiary project not only advise it is in the contract to have a consortium agreement in which you agree on the different aspects of the management of the project distribution of funds and so on and so forth okay so this is the proposal structure the part a is the online form this is basically composed of the main key data on the organization on the budget distribution and the and the keywords related to your project and the abstract of course this you will fill in in the screens that I showed you here here you will have the possibility down to to fill in with the abstract that that will be then generated when you go to save and go to next step and then generate proposal so the part b is an annex which you will be able to find at the yeah in this uh print script we don't have it sadly but maybe ah yes here the part b is an annex part b templates are composed for our call from the ransom calculator and the so-called part b the part b is the project description so this is where you have to describe your project from a to z with all the data that are that are that you think are important and are asked from the from the the template in the template sorry so the part b will you have to download it and then re-upload it as a pdf it can be maximum 70 pages you have to know that the the the the the program I mean this this interface will cut anything above 70 pages so if you have important data which are at the end of the projects which I think if I'm not wrong they're related to the child protection policy and this kind of thing it can be cut if you are above 70 pages so you have to take good care of entering this page limit description of the or so it contains the description of the projects and applicant organizations work packages activities the annex one is the budget calculator template I will show you this very soon a list of key previous projects for the last four years this is also integrated in the part b so if you have it inside then it's also sufficient to have it there the child protection policy can also be described in the part b and you should as much as possible give if you need the child protection policy and have a child protection policy which is a must then please give the your website when this child protection policy can also be found for for experts to evaluate but also develop it in the proposal the party online is an online form which contains mainly the the type of organizations the priorities that you have chosen and the the basic indicators on the part t you will also find in this main part did forms and you click on edit forms you you fall on the part a and if you click on part c we fall on part c and if you download the part b you will of course have the parties so this is the structure of the part a as I said so the general information participants budget uh and the part b is structures on or main structures are basically like the structure of the the above criteria so relevance quality impact the work packages and activities timetable and the ethics and new values part and other declarations so this is the it's table of content and this is how the the lump sum calculator looks like so here as you can see you have one event which should be one work package in your part b and one event the same c of country and here you have to define the the in the calculator on whether it's in c2 or online how many countries of residents of the participants are involved and how many participants direct participants are involved if you have several activities for one event the part the the participants should be unique participants I mean if one participant participates in several activities of the event can he or she can be counted only once of course so here uh the parts is such a structure as I have already explained and uh yeah so that was a quick ending to this uh proposal because yes so voilà so if you need support you can always go to the funding and then the portal and there click on the support you if you have technical problems don't leave the submission of your proposal to the very last date okay because there can always be server problems in the commission you can have access problems so if you can identify your access problems you can always do it beforehand and what I can suggest to you because this this so-called e-grants where the funding and tender opportunities portal where you submit your proposal you can always when you have submitted the proposal you can always come back you can say okay I want to withdraw it then you will still have the data okay to edit but you can already see if you have a submission problems or something like this you can always do a test uh uh you just have to if you if you don't want to to keep it you just have to withdraw it or delete it or or whatnot so you can always play with this with this page I think it's it's very useful compared to our previous previous platform that we had it is uh it is much more user friendly in disrespect not in all respect but this respect it is so you will have an online manual which so which look like this you well you can have the the FAQs on the portal the new call will be populated with the FAQs as soon as we can open the call and if you have uh I mean content related questions you can always send them to the eacea-serve at ec.europa.eu and you you mark that you are you you highlight that you are requesting the guidance for the European remembrance uh uh call and then it will fall to to my man and my colleague's hand and will answer as soon as we can so these are other reference documents that you can find under the the tab how to participate with the server relation work programs standard application from the pdf model grant agreements and reporting templates and these are the the useful links as I already presented them so as I I think I didn't finish my idea on so don't leave it at the last moment but if you have technical problems you have to contact the the help desk of the it help desk for the funding and tender portal and which will be displayed of course on the on the submission page the help desk that you have to contact and I suggest you to put the eacea-serve at ec.europa.eu in copy uh if this is in the last moment I will probably ask you to send them your part the the last version of your part B so don't forget to include this as well be proactive on this respect so that if there are any real technical problems that I identified and confirmed by the help desk after the after the submission uh they they they will be assessed and uh not sure but maybe they can be accepted this is uh this is uh this e-grant's procedure is less flexible in this respect than the europe for citizens programs last platform was in this respect so and thank you and uh I think there will be a questions and answer session so I'd be happy to answer to your questions many many thanks for your presentation it's really sometimes for the the small civil society organizations not uh I mean as universities or something but the really small ones had and we'll have maybe many questions and issues it's new new new new new portal but uh but it's very important also this technical explanation and of course uh we open the floor to the people who have questions uh on the chat or even if you go if you would uh ask some questions to to the content in general the program to Jules Palayo or just technical questions on this uh nowadays open call for this 2022 so we have a small time now till 11 o'clock to this before moving on to the next table maybe I can start with with the question just to allow for some time for other people to jump in uh maybe it would be a question mainly for uh Gilles uh yesterday uh the french president Macron uh announced among the priorities of the the french presidency for for the coming semester for first half of of uh 2022 that history will be history education mostly will be one of the of the priorities they intend to work and I think he even announced a meeting or some kind of initiative at the end of the semester so my question would be is there already some some work being done with the presidency of the council in this respect or this comes more likely as a new thing that we'll have to unfold uh during the presidency so in other words I would like to know you have mentioned and I think we're all very grateful for that that remark about the the the collaboration let's say or the working together between the european parliament and the european commission so my question would be uh how about the council and the commission and more specifically in the view of the upcoming french presidency thank you very much thanks party to be honest let's say I don't have details about what the french presidency has in mind it was very interesting and refreshing to see that history would be one of the the priorities of the next EU council presidency fortunately uh in part thanks to networks such as uh Johan we really don't start from scratch at the european level and the you know the remembrance trend of european citizens for for a very long time has fostered um european approaches um to to history and you know there were even initiatives before the the program let's say the the european level of governance has devoted financial means to to supporting such such a project so I'm really really excited uh it's true that let's say in the uh in the among the the three uh institutions parliament commission council I mean until now it hadn't been so much so much of a of a priority perhaps talking about history issues but but now let's see let's see what they they come up with and it's good to have active networks such as a home to be able to to cheapen this this initiative at our level we will make sure that our partners our beneficiaries can uh can bring their uh let's say firepower uh and then and analytical capacity to to whatever initiative is taken by um by the french you know over the common the coming semester thank you I think that there is a question to Fabian how how will you operate regarding those actions not selected in 2021 that want to apply again in 2022 is there any specific recommendation besides for um resolution yes if you if you I'm sorry the so if you look at on the feedback that was given to to the applicants it is a much detailed much more detailed feedback that we had before for european remembrance so the experts are are quite into details in the evaluation of the project so you can see uh where your project has has difficulties or or a lack of information or this kind of things so if you develop on that or yes if you develop on those this can improve your proposal but uh uh proposals are evaluated every year so by sometimes different experts even if you resubmit it sometimes it should be evaluated by a different expert uh or experts even so I this is what I would suggest really to to read through the the ESR which you call ESI evaluation summary report and uh try to focus on what uh what was said that it's not uh correctly developed or lack of information on these kinds of things thank you uh Marcus I think that you are asking hi thank you yeah thank you very much yeah well thanks for the presentation to the colleagues from the agency so I should first say that I'm really happy that the europe for citizens program is continued in this new surf the form of the new surf program but my my question would be and in particular now to shill also how is the perception that the focus the thematic focus of the program continues to be rather narrow as was in the former europe for citizens program in the sense of the focus is clearly on totalitarian regimes the resistance to those totalitarian regimes would you have like to see maybe a bit of a broadening in the sense of including also maybe more aspects of colonialism other aspects of european history because one of the points of criticism has been that by focusing so strongly only on totalitarianism we are maybe not necessarily forgetting about other aspects but it seems that you measure everything by the standards of totalitarianism in comparison to which you know most other elements of european history appear rather you know unproblematic so in other words would you have like to see also at the at the political level a more ambition to go beyond that focus or do you think it's good to keep that focus so that would be my question the the work program of the european commission is is what it is marcus so to speak you know in a in its in its infinite wisdom the the commission has a has approved this i think you know it's not you know as narrow as this in the sense that there is a part of i would say history also in the in the four thematic focus of the program that that needs to be respected and particularly when we approach history at the european level let's say and at the EU level also which is even narrower than the european level at large so so there's this aspect of respect for for the historical heritage of what we've been doing in part also that reflects the the interest and thematic focus of of some of the stakeholders traditional stakeholders of the the program there's that but i would argue that the the the chair program globally as it is written it's a regulation adopted by the european parliament and and the council at the at the top then the the work program of the commission which is adopted annually and then the way the calls for proposals are redacted at the at the practical and more technical level they still leave ample room for for innovative projects in possibly all fields that are of of european EU relevance and there are many and the proof of that is that even though there is indeed and we have to acknowledge is a kind of focus on on the issues you you have mentioned we have really a track record of of supporting projects in a wide variety of topics there is a legitimate emphasis on on issues that sometimes resonate with the present situation you know hot topics migration liberation routes populism that kind of issue and that's that's fair enough i believe this was very much by the way coming back to the question of marty the the the way in which the the french president pitched his uh his need to to go back to the history of of europe but um it's not not too narrow i would conclude thank you i mean we we should invite um a cognizier to take this talk and talk about colonialism to exiles migrations all these concepts are inside the program but of course you know remember totalitarianism is all kind of an umbrella would you all please yes thank you sure and thank you to all the speakers for the very interesting presentations okay i have a very practical question uh since from europe we usually invite um different um targets and different uh partners from all over europe and beyond the the europe border so my question is uh so far what non-eu countries had already signed the agreement to be eligible for the for the remembrance call zero for the moment it's still uh it's still early days in the uh in the program and these things take time uh association agreement there sort of international negotiations so some of them are have expressed um interest but for the moment it's uh it's zero you know that's the uh a bit the unfortunate issue of having you know multi uh annual financial perspective we start all over again every seven years so to speak and uh and this time particularly the regulations and everything they were ready only at the beginning of this year like in in spring so that's that's time needed to to start all over again the association of um of third countries it won't take you know forever but uh it may take you know some good weeks months because because these are international negotiations in the framework with the some of these countries particularly the um western bachan countries the uh the countries with the perspective of accession you know of a of a solid framework of managing the relations of these countries with the EU so there are association agreements so there's a kind of a whole scenography of of managing this it will come um it will come eventually but it's you know not unlikely that at the end of the day the whole process that takes uh it's a guesstimate and it's not an information a whole good year you know since the adoption of the regulations last year so so perhaps around beginning spring of next year we will have a good wave of of first associated countries to the to the program so if they are not uh eligible right now and before the lane sorry they we cannot include them in in possible projects okay uh i will just quickly uh open the the call you know just to to quote the call i'm but you probably read it uh you can include them uh but they will not be eligible for funding so basically if um if you include them and uh you give them funds and they are not eligible at the time of the signature of the grant agreement they will become ineligible partners which doesn't mean that the whole project is ineligible if it's selective then during the negotiation process uh for the contract signature they will we will request you to replace them or put them as associated partners but they cannot receive uh you funding okay uh directly okay so uh uh just quickly i try to open the call to to quote you this part of the call uh because i don't i don't know it by heart i just know it by feeling so i control this is too much i think i have uh all my kids are at home sorry for the noise because they are all homes good and they take also my wi-fi uh away okay eligible eligible yeah here it is so it says says yes uh so countries associated to the serve program of countries which are in ongoing negotiations for an association agreements and there and where the agreement enters into force before the grant signature okay so the it means it uh so if the negotiations are already ongoing when the projects are submitted they are eligible if the the it enters into force before the signature so it leaves you uh uh i have to say you have to submit until march so we have to have ongoing negotiations uh until march uh basically well thank you i don't know if you have some technical closing uh role and about the the following session online i do have a practical information uh well i think now uh giordi is is the the pause the break so that means that we have time to get work and uh we would like to invite you to for the next half hour to visit the museum uh online or the place but also be aware that we you can engage in one-on-one conversations just by uh clicking through uh to the avatars uh the tola platform and uh and then force explore the videos the different material that uh is part of the conference uh the the important practical information here is that participants can stay connected to zoom while they are uh let's say in the museum virtually huh so no need to no need to disconnect just leave things as they are and then we should be back on zoom all of us uh at 11 30 okay anyway uh thank you very much jills uh peter uh for your participation here and also this is very very good to have a contact also in in the commission and your agency in brussels to have this feedback and going on process of thanks to you and spread the work let's say all the network needs also to mobilize all the you know your connections friends associate to participate in the in the program we need you know a maximum of of good project proposals in the coming harvest so um so voilà thanks again for the invitation merci merci