Okay. And so I think that we are live at this point. And so today is Wednesday, December 9th, 2020. This is our biweekly meeting of the Amherst Conservation Commission. So first thing in just sort of comments for me, the only thing that I wanted to bring up is schedule. And so Aaron, thanks for putting out the schedule for 2021. We had a placeholder or two for December. Is there any need to do that or. That January meetings can be our next meeting. Right now I don't have any new applications that have come in. It's. I am anticipating getting an application for the January 13th meeting. But I haven't had anybody. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You know, really expressing that they need us to, to handle any business prior to that. It's, it's difficult to predict because tomorrow I could get, you know, five requests for extension and three, you know, request for certificate of compliance. So it's, it's kind of tough to gauge, but right now. I think we're going to be looking at a couple more things. We'll be a little more active and. I think we'll be able to see how things will quiet down over the holiday so that we can. Just start fresh in the new year. Okay. So at this point, keep those available if we can, but nothing on the books. Okay. Yeah. And if something urgent arises. I will reach out to you, Brett, and we can kind of. Strategize. Okay. That sounds good. Okay. So, with that. Do you want to go next? Sure, I think Erin might have a slide. I do. Let me get that cued up for you. Just one moment. Can you guys see my screen? Yep. Can you get a little bigger, Erin, or no? Does that help? That's better, yeah. Great. I'll be very brief, because I know Erin's got a lot to cover. So yeah, I think the theme really for this month is wrapping things up out in the field in terms of land management for the winter. As you know, Brad is now on his own. We did lose our assistant land manager. I can't remember whether I brought that up last meeting or not, but Tyler Pease, who's been with us for about three years as the assistant land manager, took a really terrific job for the city of Westfield. So he left about a week ago. So we are in full search mode for an assistant land manager. If anybody knows anybody with great skills in forestry, in land management, working with tractors, chainsaws, that kind of thing, we've had great luck recruiting young people from the Stockbridge School at UMass, but we're open to other folks applying. I would imagine that the posting will be up on the town website, probably by the weekend, is my guess. This is a 40-hour-a-week job, full time, full benefits. And yeah, we're looking for a great person to work with Brad out there in the field. So we hope to get somebody hired in January so they can get on kind of on board with project planning and then hit the ground running in the spring. So Brad is solo out there. He's trying to finish up as much brush hogging as possible. It's actually a great time of year to do it. It's dry. It's relatively easy to work in the fields. All of our terrestrial turtles have headed to where they spend the winter, which is typically out of open fields and meadows. So it's a good time. It's a safe time to do brush hogging. So Brad is all over town trying to do that. He's doing some minor bridge repairs. I know that we've gotten some great reports from volunteers about bridge problems on the KC trail and a few other trails. So Brad's trying to knock those off before winter really sets in. And then we've got some great volunteers who have been hitting the trails all fall and they continue to do great work. If you've been to Larch Hill recently, they've done quite a bit of just brushing back trails there. So there have been some benefits. Some of our volunteers have been on reduced schedules at their work and they're looking for outdoor things to do, safe things to do, to get some exercise and feel productive. So we've had some really wonderful people help us out there. And then project planning for the winter really in January will turn our attention to 21. Hopefully for all of us all around, it'll be a better year. But we'll be looking at trail improvements on the robberfrost trail. We got a lot of that work done this year. Brad and Tyler did with volunteer help and some part-time staff. But we have until June 30th, I believe, to finish all the robberfrost trail improvements that we were funded through the state on. We'll be working on plans for doing some of the bridges that we finally have funding for and telephone bowls for and things of that sort. And we'll be working with the Castro Trust on various trailheads, such as at Podak, at Richie, and Sweet Alice. And then Erin and I have been talking in her new expanded role about trail maps and standardized kiosk education materials and outreach materials at our trailheads. So that's kind of what January and February will look like. So I imagine the department will be coming before you with some requests and or notices for some of those projects to kick off in the spring. And yeah, I actually have some funding to hire some folks. This is through the CPA committee and some other sources. So we should be able to get quite a bit done in 21. So that's kind of where we're at. It's budget time here in town as well. So overall, the budget will be preparing budgets now for the town council to review and the community to review in the spring months. We're gonna do all right this fiscal year, but certainly next fiscal year starting July one and then the following fiscal year, which will be fiscal year 22 and 23, we're gonna really feel municipal governments will feel the effects of COVID in those years more than they are in 20, because we've been bolstered by money from the federal government and the state government. So 22 and 23 are gonna be tough years. Fortunately, we have some capital, unspent capital money that can only go to certain projects. So we've got some funding to get some things done. So you'll hear more about that. And I hope to get Brad in here. I think Erin is working on a date to get Brad in to do kind of a wrap up for 2020 before you sometime in January, I hope. So that I'll stop there. Yeah, I will mention finally, I forgot Hickory Ridge. I sound, sometimes I listen to myself talk about Hickory Ridge. Land projects take a long time, they just do. And I've worked on projects for 15 years and finally closed on them. And people kind of don't believe you're really gonna close on it. This one is not gonna take 15 years, but we are still pushing forward on Hickory Ridge. I am still confident it will happen. We're still working with the solar company and with the current owner. I have a meeting out there tomorrow with some folks. So it's moving along. It's just kind of slow going. It will happen. Good. I'm confident in the well to date. Will you send around the announcement for Tyler's position? And I can circulate that in a couple of lists serves. Yeah, that'd be great. We will do that. So excellent. Yep, that's disappointing hearing about his loss book. Congrats to him. Does anybody have any questions for Dave? Why don't we turn it over? If I could add Brad, one more thing. We are a wonderful springboard, career springboard for various individuals through the years that assistant land manager. We now have somebody working for the Westfield tree department. We, I recommended another assistant land manager to work for the Boise, Idaho tree department. We have one person working for the mass fishing game. And then there's two or three others. We tend to keep people about three years in that position and then they decide to move on. But it's a great starting job, entry level job and people get good experience and then they go on to do bigger and better things. So we will get you that job, drop job announcement. Yeah, great. The only challenge would be starting in January. But yeah, I definitely have some people in mind. Yeah, we're flexible on that. I mean, you know, we've got to give people time to if they have other positions or whatever. So. Okay, Erin. So we have two items on the docket tonight, which are related to open space management. And I believe I see one of the people, I believe Roxy is on for that, for one of those items. If anybody else is on for one of those items, if they raise their hand, we will recognize them. But I mean, I just make a Roxy a panelist because I believe she's on for our, the donation of the poetry box, I think was the item she was on for. Okay. And so these are just gonna be kind of brief introductions tonight. I think was the idea, Erin, and then we'd have a longer discussion later if need be. Yeah, so Roxy was interested in putting a poetry box on the Emily Dickinson trail, donating it to be placed there. And then the historic walk project is a project that was going before CPA for funding. And just with how much business we have on the agenda tonight, we were thinking maybe get an introduction and then we could assemble sort of more details to get final approval for some of these. I think that sounds good. Yeah, so Roxy, if you want to mind giving sort of a brief introduction about what you're proposing. I'd be happy to. Thank you for allowing me to come. And it's nice to see everybody's faces here. My husband has lived in South Amherst for the majority of his life. And we've been living here for 40 years and he passed away last year. And he was a local educator and he was a teacher and a lover of poetry. And I thought a way of honoring his life is to set up a poetry box. And in his name, I would love to do this. He walked the conservation trails every day and he was on the Emily Dickinson trail a lot with our dog. And I thought that was a really perfect place. I could think of several places, but it seems like just name alone that would be ideal. And I proposed this to the town through David and I would love to show you a couple of ideas. I have somebody who's willing to build something and I thought just installing a post and a little sign about what this is for. And people can leave their poems in the box. A lot of towns have done this, but you don't see them often, but I've never seen anything like this in Amherst. And except I have to say that I did find one at Amherst College on one of their trails. And they just have a little mailbox and there's always poetry and something stuffed in the box. And I thought it might be nice to every couple of months pull it out and post some of the poems in the Amherst Bulletin and say, here's some of the poetry that people have been leaving. And so it might be kind of a nice way for community to enjoy sharing poetry with their community. Yeah, thank you. I mean, that does sound very nice. It's very compatible with what we have available. So Dave, a question for you, I assume that, you know, if Roxy's able to donate the materials and all of that then somebody on the conservation department in the conservation department would be installing it? Yeah, we really haven't spoken at any great length, but I know this was just a couple of minute introduction, but yeah, I mean, certainly we could install, we'd have to talk about, I'm not sure if there are one of these or a number of these or one at the beginning of the trail, end of the trail, the MLA- I'm just thinking of one. One, yeah. Keeping it very simple. And I was actually thinking of it in the quieter side of the trail, which comes out to Mill Road on the Southeast Street. So that'd be real easy. And of course, as the commission knows, you authorize the installation of the Storybook Trail, which is in the Lower Mill River conservation area. So in fact, on the Grawth Park end of the Emily Dickinson Trail, there used to be some sort of a guided walking interpretive trail, there was a box there with guides that you could grab at one end and deposit at the other end when you were through. It's long since deteriorated. So I think this is a great, it would be a great experiment. I would just advise that, let's try something like this and see how it goes. And we have to be prepared sometimes that people might leave things in there that- Of course. They might, or you would wanna remove if they were offensive or anything like that. And that kind of thing will happen. But I think it's a great idea and a great way to, kind of enhance some, a trail in this case, the Emily Dickinson Trail, so. So who would I talk with for the design of this? And hopefully we can install something in the spring. Well, not unlike what we did with the trail up in North Amherst, I think the applicant there was Cole's Lumber and they, the Cole's company, and they submitted the design to the department. We gave them a little feedback and then ultimately it came before the commission and the commission liked it and gave the thumbs up. Okay. I didn't even realize that the town could do the installation. I have a son who's been working for the trustees of the reservation for five years and he is looking for something else and I thought he would help me, but I'm gonna ask him to apply for your assistant. So, I'm killing another bird with a stone, so here. But anyway, I thought he would be able to do the installation, but perhaps you guys will wanna do it. Let's put it this way. If we pick a location and you and he wanna work together. I'm sure Brad has loads of things to do. So, if we pick a location and the commission says that's a great design and you wanna do it as a project with your son, no worries there. Okay. All right, so I will put together some sort of description of the installation, I think, or is there somebody I should talk to about what they would require? I mean, I would love to have a little sign, just explaining it. You could just muck something up and send it to me on email. Okay, all right. And we'll make it happen and give you some feedback, Aaron, and I can give you some feedback and then when we think it's ready, we can bring it back to the commission and... Okay, thank you so much. This is real exciting, okay. Do any of the other commissioners have any sort of questions about this? I think it sounds great. Okay, wonderful. I don't know if anybody has ever walked on the Leverett trails because they do have a poetry series of poetry boxes. And, oh God. And so, that's where I hit the idea of this is something that Amherst should have. But, or if you've ever seen the one at Amherst College trails. Oh, well. Great, so yeah, so thanks a lot for thinking of it. And yeah, we look forward to seeing this and yeah, we're seeing it out on the trail. Great, thank you so much. Thank you. All right, so I will leave the meeting so you guys can talk about everything else. Oh, you're more than welcome to stay. This is all open to the public, but yeah, we'll put you into the general meeting part. Okay, thanks, thanks. All right. Okay, so, Aaron, do you remember who the person is who is associated with the other, with the historic walk project? Are they here? So if the person... I don't believe that they are here at the moment. There's a Robin who joined. I don't think they are, but I can also give a quick overview of it since they came to CPA, if that's helpful. Definitely. Okay. So, and if they are, they can raise their hand, but I'm not seeing the folks who came to CPA for it. So essentially what they are seeking to do is there's a variety of historic sites along the Mill River Trail. And so it's the District One Neighborhood Association that put forward the initial proposal. And it's going through a little bit of a, kind of a, I guess, rigor moral would be the best way to frame it with CPA, just trying to make sure that their application fits within the bounds that CPA is restricted to. And so we're trying to work with them on, coming back to us with a proposal that we can actually consider thoroughly and not have to not find fault with, basically. And so what they wanna do is they want to take these historic sites and do a couple of different things. They wanna make it a historic walk where the sites are labeled with descriptions of what they were. They are not going in, they then promise me up and down that they are not going in and disrupting anything. They're not doing any digging. That was a promise they made, but they're basically gonna put signposts in saying this used to be a mill or one was a button factory. There was some sort of factory or something. I might be making a button factory, but they were essentially going through the history and stating what each of these cellar holes were, what the brick wall or what the stone walls used to be the bounds of. It's kind of similar to the Mill River, not the Mill River, what's the North Amherst story walk one except that it's historic sites, right? And so they're basically not creating a new trail. It would be along the existing trail explaining what people are looking at. The other part of their proposal was talking about just making sure that those sites stay as preserved as they are right now and doing some sort of academic work around them. Again, not with digging, but just looking at what the sites are, when they're from and trying to get as much of a historical record as they can. They had submitted it under historic preservation and one of my comments to them during CPA was, at some point you'll need to loop conservation in. And so they, I think that might be why they're starting to come to us now is that it is on conservation land and they know that they're gonna need to talk to us at some point. So, did I miss anything, Dave? That was my rambling response of they're putting science on. That was great. I did have a parallel conversation with Meg Gage who's one of the, you know, applicator proponents of this project and suggested that this, you know, they come to the commission. I will say that this one has, to me, a more official feel to it and kind of a permanent feel. If we do this as a community, I think there's a lot of reasons to do this and have this be permanent signs, as permanent as signs can be. There's a lot of great history along the mill in Cushman Brook, no river in Cushman Brook. So I would see this as a more formal design. We would really wanna get well into the design cause I could see these being up for many, many years. And we've all visited historic parks and historic sites and conservation areas with historic elements. And I think we'd want these to be just top notch signage, well researched and professionally done and put into weather many, many years. I don't see this as a temporary installation, you know, that might be gone in a year. So I think it's a great project. The question is, can the community find funding to do it if CPA is not the right avenue? And they are coming back to us. It was tabled. They'll be coming back to CPA, I believe in January is the plan right now. I will say, just quick follow up. We might in the spring put up some, Tim, I don't like signs. I'm kind of, I don't like sign pollution, but we were made aware that some of the stones from some of the mill sites upstream of Fuffer's Bond to have a way of migrating a little bit when people start to make dams up there for swimming of dogs and people. And it just would be a shame if more of that happened. So we may put up some temporary signs saying something, you know, about what a historic site this is, because those wonderful stones that were brought in for the mills make great, you know, temporary dams, but then they're gone on the mill site. And there's a couple that are close. I can think of two swimming areas where people have put in these dams, which I'm not opposed to, but taking the stones from the mill sites is a little troubling to me. I do also think, I mean, to kind of zoom out for a second, this year we've seen a lot of different requests for signage and talking about the idea of kind of sign pollution is not, doesn't seem like a bad concept for us to think about how many of these trails and conservation areas we're allowing to have things like story walks and historic walks, which are great, but also, you know, can't be on every single trail and conservation areas. So at some point it might be worth us having, as a commission, having a conversation about what parameters we want to set around that as well. Yeah, we've got bluebird meadow signs as well. So there's a lot of discussion about signs and what do we say about consistency and... Right, do we have a design standard? Is that, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that's a great point and I agree.  And I just, yeah, I agree. But I think that the other thing that would be really a good long-term plan is to like identify properties where these types of walks are appropriate. Like say maybe three or four in town designate, these will be areas where we'll allow it and then other places we're gonna keep it more of a natural feel. Other towns I've worked for, they've done similar things. Like if there's like an ADA accessible trail where it's more of a well-groomed trail and there's stopping points for resting and stuff like that they might put a sign in. But like for trails that are more like a single track trail they wouldn't allow something like that. So, you know, we're in a general thinking about the landscape and what makes sense. Similar to zoning, you know? Like, yeah, basically. Master planning for open space. Right, right, like somewhere like Hickory Ridge it would make sense to maybe do something more along the lines of a story walk. Whereas, you know, up in the Holyoke range or some of the trails even around puffers, right?  Like they're not as built maybe as the framing. Question, is there documentation and so forth at the Jones Library about these historical places on Amherst? So there's some, I believe, that there is some documentation but part of their proposal, and I'm, my brain is feeling a little fuzzy on whether or not this stayed in their proposal. Part of their proposal was to work with people at UMass and at some point they wanted to hire someone to do the historic work and the archeology. The no dig archeology. I think that's what you need to do. It's a really cool project. And I think it's really important. I think the question is just for us, is this disrupting too much of the natural conservation land that we're protecting? Yeah, I think the historic issues of the town are something we really want to keep track of. I mean, this happened to me, number of years ago I went to an auction and bought a fly ride. And when I took it home and looked at it and so forth, it was made by the Amherst Fly Ride Company. Oh, that's so cool. No, there was an Amherst Fly Ride Company. I'm passing it on to my son, but it's like something important to keep. I mean, Larry, I agree with you, but I also think that that's the job of the historic commission, right? And so like our job is to put the land first and their job is to put the history first and we need to come together and figure out where that happy medium is. I agree with you. I agree with you.  It is, yeah. It's all on, it's all on the Mill River Trail, right? Dave, is that what it, yeah. And it's all, yeah, all on conservation land. Yeah, and so you may just wanna mention to them, I looked at the proposal briefly and it looks like there's a lot of money in there to hire somebody. I don't know if there's a lot of money or any money in there for signage and that sort of stuff. So I believe that there was, but I could be, I haven't looked at it. I could be wrong too. There was two lines. I just remember that the big line was hiring somebody. I don't remember the second line. I will say either way they're coming forward with a new proposal. So that is, we're waiting on that. We're making sure that they kind of are aware of how to do it. One of the conversations we're having at CPA is how are we supporting our community in writing these proposals? And talking to them about coming to us for advice first is something like talking to them so that they have a proposal that says we've talked to conservation and they think this is a great idea. So we're working on that, but there will be I believe a modified proposal if not a completely different, completely restructured one coming soon. So it sounds like this will come before us again. And so we'll have something more formal at some point. So this is just kind of a heads up. But does anybody have any other questions? So it's 7.30 now. So we could start our first hearing if there's not. Oh, okay. So thank you, Anna. And especially kind of doing that on the spot. So well done there. Okay. So I have just after 7.30. So Aaron, is it okay if we start our 7.30? Yes. Okay. So I saw that Mickey is here. And I don't know if there is anybody else here for this one. So Mickey, you should be able to speak in a second. So this is a continuation of a notice of intent that's being brought before us by SWCA for dredging at the UMass pond. And so Anna and I did a site visit with a few people from UMass and SWCA about a week ago. And so thank you for setting that up, Mickey. That was helpful. And so Mickey, do you want to give us a brief recap of where we're at at this point? Hi, everybody. Good to see you all again. Hey, Lauren, so I just want to also say that the Pelham Flyrod was in that factory below the old Amethyst Brook Dam. And the fellow who used to own that factory kept examples of the flyrod for years and it's all changed and the dam's gone, but that's where it was. Anyway, so we filed this notice of intent about a year ago and I asked the commission to put it on hold until it went through a review process. Following the MEPA certificate which was issued in September, we were told to go ahead and reopen the hearing which Erin's did. We had met with you two weeks ago. We got a verbal approval that the DEP Boston Dredge Division has approved the project, but I don't have that in writing yet. And so the only permit that's waiting is the last time we did work on the pond, the university developed a memo of understanding between the University Mass Historical Commission, Army Corps of Engineer at this group called Puma, which is like a humanities historical group kind of run by Joe Larson. And it had mostly to do with revegetation and keeping the historic landscape of the pond. So we were asked by Mass Historical Commission to revise the memo of understanding following the dredging and that's still in process. So anyway, that's the last piece of the puzzle. At this point, I think we're okay to proceed with answering any of your questions or closing this hearing. The work is tentatively scheduled for the summer, 2021, but it will depend, there was funding allocated for this by the university. A lot of things have changed, but it's designed to be a summer project. So for whatever reason, it doesn't happen in 2021, it'll be summer 2022. And the only change that we had to make through the water quality certification was to add a plastic liner underneath where the dredge material is stored. And so there was a note added to the plan and that was the only change they requested. So I think that's it. Not happy to answer any other questions yet. Anna, Brett and I, Neils and Valerie went for cold early morning walk last week. Yeah, and if I could just jump in. I, Mickey, I had been in touch with Mickey previously about sort of coming up with some suggested conditions that he felt like would make sense for this project. I also looked at the MACC boilerplate conditions for dredging. And a lot of them aren't really applicable to this project. There are a couple that are. So I don't know. I mean, I read through the conditions that Mickey sent me and I think that they look great. So I sort of just recommended that the commission include those as part of the order of conditions, as well as including standard boilerplate under our local bylaw and also under wetland protection act. And then there was a couple that I had sort of plucked from the MACC guidance. And I can pull those up really quickly. Yeah, so like just including the boilerplate and then the draft conditions that were provided by Mickey. And then let me see if I can make this a little larger so we can actually see it. So like the first one, I mean, this is talking about spawning fish, protecting spawning fish habitat during the dredge. And I don't know how others feel, but just knowing the configuration of stormwater structures that filter water into the pond. And then there's sort of a series of stormwater structures at the outlet as well from what I understand. So it doesn't really seem appropriate to include conditions for spawning fish. There was a condition here for mechanical dredging, specifying the type of equipment that was going to be used. No hydrologic or pneumatic equipment shall be used for removal of dredging material. I'm not entirely sure I understand that because I'm not familiar with the specific terminology of that condition. From what I understand, like on number three, it says all dredge operations to be conducted from upland areas. From what I understand, that's just not possible due to the size of the pond that the intent is to dewater to the point where they can get machinery into the pond to dredge it. That's what I understand from speaking with Mickey. So I don't think a lot of these conditions aren't necessarily applicable. The number five is definitely applicable, which we could include dredge material should be dewatered and disposed of in an upland location. We were already planning to include that anyway. And then siltation, fension and drainage ditch to be installed at the dewatering area to ensure no material from dewatering area enters the Jason wetland area that was already included in the plan as well. And then it was, I just, I had had a question for Mickey about what type of machinery was going to be entering the pond specifically. And he is unsure about that detail. So what he had suggested, and I think is a good idea is to just request that once the contractor is selected that they provide documentation to the conservation commission about what vehicles are being used so that we can have documentation of that for our records. Thank you, Erin. And could either you, Erin, or you, Mickey, just go over the other sets of conditions as well? Sure, Mickey, do you wanna do that or do you want me to do that? Why don't you do this since you have control over the screen? Sure. Once she's pulling that up, I just will just add that the conditions that I sent to Erin, I just went through the notice of intent and just picked out all the things that the applicant said they would do and had agreed to and just made sure it was highlighted and pulled out so that all of you and Erin didn't have to wade through the notice of intent. And once she's pulling that up, Mickey, I think when we were out in the field, they were wading on a final soil test. So things were looking good. There was a hot spot, but she thought things were gonna end out okay. Did that end up being the case? You know, I know they grabbed the sample. I haven't seen the analysis, but I put in these conditions that the commission would get all subsequent reports. So in the notice of intent, you had the original soil sampling and I just want to make sure you get copies of future sample results. The only thing I'll add is there's some information here about water levels that had to do with the memo of understanding between the university, master's degree commission, Puma and Army Corps of Engineers and that elevation was set. And I just wanted to make sure that that was in here, the university's previously had a higher water level and there was some objections to that. So it's elevation 216, it's set by the outlet structure. The university has the ability to lower it for maintenance. There's also an agreement with the town DPW that if there's a storm event, university can lower the level of the pond to accommodate more stormwater, but under normal operation, it's supposed to be set at a certain elevation and all the bank plantings, everything have been geared to that elevation. Yeah, it was impressive, the amount of water it could potentially hold if there is a storm event. So that's nice. Okay, yeah, so other commissioners, any questions? And so this is, we've seen this one before for a while. I don't think there's any sort of big surprises at this point, and it's pretty straightforward. And it's a big project, no doubt. One thing just to kind of be aware of whenever this does happen, I think one reason it's gonna be during the summers is it's gonna stink. So just don't be too surprised when that happens. I mean, it's dredged material from the bottom of a pond that has a lot of geese. Very nutrient rich. And then the other thing that I found interesting that you were talking about Mickey when we were in the field was things might actually get a little bit worse the year after the dredging. Would you mind just going through that real quick that it might get worse, but then it'll get better? Yeah, so right now, probably twice a year is an algae bloom and the pond is created. But what I've seen in other ponds is following dredging that's just a lot of release of nutrients. So even though you're taking this nutrient rich soil and removing it, it's still not removing all of it, right? And so it just tends to be a nutrient rich soup and often the year following dredging, there are algae blooms. And the expectation is that it's gonna need less management in the future. But initially my guess is we'll see an algae bloom. Yep, and there's nice things in place for how to handle a fish and all that sort of stuff. So it feels very comprehensive. Yeah, there was some work done about, I don't know, six or seven years ago on the north end of the pond when the dike was rebuilt, it was de-watered and we had a wildlife biologist and they moved fish and frogs and turtles and they're able to accomplish that. And I think that's the same idea here. Great, okay. So again, any other commissioners have any questions? Any other observations that you made Anna when we were out there? You covered mine. Okay, so are there any questions from the public?  Okay, so I'm not seeing any. Erin, given that there are still a couple of things that are open on here, are we okay to close on this tonight? Open as far as the outstanding permits. Correct. From what I understand from Mickey, the only permit that's outstanding is awaiting our order of conditions. So, I think we're good to issue at this point. And if we needed to amend, if something came along, we could always amend it if necessary. Sounds good. But yeah, I think we're ready to issue and I would just make sure that anybody who makes a motion include these three items on the screen. And then I have an additional three from the other slides that I could just run through if somebody wanted to make it easy for motion making, let's say. And if you can also help us with which boxes to check, that's always helpful as well. So this is an actual order of conditions as opposed to a determination. So it's just to issue the order of conditions. Oh, okay, that's great. Yep. Okay, so if there are no other comments on this one, Erin, if you wanna run through that and then if somebody wants to make a motion based on what you say, let's move forward. So the conditions that I would recommend would be for us to include the town of Amherst boilerplate conditions under special conditions as well as the Wetland Protection Act boilerplate conditions and then to include the conditions that were drafted by Mickey Marcus for the order as well as just an additional condition that would further support that dredged material would need to be dewatered and disposed of offsite, that protection would need to be in place to prevent dewatering material from entering the resource area. And prior to work starting that we would want documentation from the contractor regarding the types of equipment that are gonna be entering the pond. Excellent. Can I make a comment before you go over? Mission reviews, Erin, when you say offsite, so what has been proposed to DEP is to once the dredged material is dewatered, it actually gets moved to the Tilson Farm section of the university. So it's actually on site, I guess. I guess when I say offsite, I mean outside of resource area or Wetland Protection Act jurisdiction. Okay. Outside of project area is what I was thinking. Okay, looking for a motion with what Erin was saying. So moved. Second. Okay, excellent. So voice vote at this point. So Anna. Aye. Letcher. Aye. Larry. Aye. Laura. Aye. The Roy. Aye. And aye from me as well. So thank you very much, Mickey. This has definitely been a long process and this one's kind of wrapped up, but I'm sure you'll be in front of us relatively soon with something else. Thank you all for your time on this. I appreciate all the attention that you gave to this project. Bye now. Yeah. Okay. So moving on to our 735, which is a notice of intent for Conservation and Works, inflation of 500 linear feet. At least that sounds initially proposed of Bob bridging on town of embers Pada concert. Poticon. Ation area. And so I think I saw Pete was here. So Pete, you are now a panelist. I don't know if there's anybody else here for this one.  But if not, let's make sure that you hear me now, Yes. Yeah. Okay. Hear you, but not see you. But that's, oh, we can see you now. Hello, everybody. So I'm back and I can update you on the, if you all remember the bug bridging proposal. Last night, the Hadley concom Approved and signed off on the project on their side of the town line, which Okay, so the way they looked at it was two separate segments, the wooded part several hundred feet in the woods, they approved with the condition being That after the bar bridging is in, we, we spread some grass seed on some of the muddier areas. And then they approved the crossing of the food bank field several hundred feet of bar bridging there and the And the condition was that we needed to provide 56 square feet of replication. So we presented a plan for replication and they approved it and we'll do that in the spring. So now we're looking at the Amherst part, which started out as a proposal for Both, both Podek and Catherine Cole and now we're focusing on Catherine Cole and the total length we proposed was 220 feet, linear feet. And I think some of you were out on the site inspection. How many of you have seen the site? Yeah, so a few of you. I know Erin's been out there. So what what we're hoping is for approval of the bar bridging in the location specified. Now, you may have seen Erin's communication Suggesting after the delineation that was done by Dave Haynes that we look into a re-route in a couple of places. And she can describe that more thoroughly, but I know one of them was just west of the Four was what is shown on the map as a 40 foot bridge that's already there. The Hartford fern Population is just to the west of the of the bridge. And the trail goes through it, but my impression is that I'm very familiar with Hartford fern That it is doing fine with the trail Near the populations, people are not traveling it. It's it's okay on either side. And it's actually a trail attraction is great for people to be able to see that and there's quite a bit of it. So I wouldn't consider it to be Necessarily fragile or in in jeopardy. So my thought is that the trail there Could stay and we aren't proposing bog bridging anywhere in that vicinity. Anyway, the nearest bog bridging is 600 feet to the west. And that is, it is on a site that Dave Haynes identified as upland. And then I think Aaron was was suggesting another reroute farther to the west. Aaron, you correct me, but it seems to me one of the concerns I have about about rerouting any trails and we built trails all over the state Is that it's tempting to say, yes, you can put in a new route And avoid difficulties with the old route, but but it's not easy to close a route that's been in for quite a while. I looked at a site down at Wilburham a few days ago where An eroding trail had been equipped with a reroute around it by the Hampton or by the Minnichaw Land Trust in Hampton. And it's not easy to close a route that's been in for quite a while. Or by the Minnichaw Land Trust in Hampton and The upshot was and then they equipped it with signs and blazing and they buried the old trail with brush and logs But a few months later the brush and logs are gone and now people are using both routes So you have kind of a double problem. The the eroding section is still being used And I I I kind of worry that trying to reroute here just might add to our difficulties by creating a second trail With the first one being somewhat difficult to close But I'll I'll let you go from there any any questions or any additional information from Aaron Thanks, Pete. Yeah closing trails can definitely be complicated Aaron do you have something that you want to add? Yeah, I mean so I totally respect Pete's Perspective on things and his knowledge and background of trails I'm going to always come at this from how do we protect wetlands to the maximum extent we can and So, you know, we we the commission that the town hired David Haynes to go out and do a wetland delineation now As part of our original The original permit that was filed the plan that was associated with that showed 240 linear feet of bog bridging going through wetland and that was according to the DEP wetland layer Once we Whittled that down to Areas we knew were wet it significantly reduced the trail Are the bog bridging locations in wetlands, so we know it's a lot less than that If we remove the small portion that David recommended that we reroute in order to Avoid a wetland an existing wetlands and also in order to avoid a state listed protected species, then we could bring it down to 170 feet which is reducing From the original application on conservation commission land reducing the amount of bog bridging and wetland from proposed 240 linear feet to 170 linear feet Based on the information that we got from the delineation and From that 170 linear feet if we were to remove that one section with the reroute It would bring us to the total Basically square footage footprint Of the bog bridging in wetland would be 28.47 feet according to p. That was a calculation Which is down from 40 feet so That I mean that's that's the recommendation from the consultant who looked at this and I Definitely support That we try to limit Foot traffic through the wetland if we can and also limit Putting, you know bog bridging in wetlands if we can if we can reroute the trail through upland. I think that that is The most prudent thing to do from my perspective As you know offering you a recommendation of course it's up to you But yeah, I mean I think either way it's it's the as as pete noted It's it's a difference from Removing that section of trail it reduces the square footage of Footprint of the bog bridging by I think Just under nine square feet. So it's not a lot. It doesn't reduce it by a lot, but it does reduce it so it's really you guys call in terms of How you think is best to proceed One idea I had was if we did do the reroute in that section In order to avoid the climbing fern and in order to avoid the wetland that the trails currently going through That we could Use the use the funds from eversource that was provided to us for mitigation to Put up a sign that tells people this section of trail is closed to protect wetlands and state listed species But again, it's just just a suggestion and it's conservation commission managed land so That that's basically Kind of where I'm coming from on it and I'll just put the But I add one thing and that is that natural heritage looked at our application They they are well aware of where the the Hartford fern is climbing fern And they approved the project And and added that they recommend bog bridging where necessary to protect plants, but Bear in mind also that the area where the Hartford fern is is not an area where we're proposing anything So I I am dubious about the the value of I'm trying to move the trail away from from that site and I've I've mentioned the reasons I also think that it's good to bear in mind that we're talking about really a minuscule area Of impact. I mean a difference of nine square feet is is something you could almost stand on with two feet So I I I would kind of hate to see a lot of manipulation of trails and landscape to accomplish that level of result So that's my thought I mean, we'll be quite careful in putting the bar bridging in and We'd be glad to to to seed The the braided trail areas where you know use is spread out and and created muddy conditions but Um, I I I guess my recommendation is that if we could reframe from relocating In this situation, I think that might be better all around yeah, and I mean just to Present kind of a an alternative is that if that reroute was done That section of trail if it was closed off could be considered mitigation we could you know seed it down and um try to restore that wetland back to I mean, it's compacted the trail is compacted. It's been used for decades. Um, so I don't know how successful it would be but I'm just Just throwing that out there as an alternative And there are some sections out there that would be easier to shut than others of that trail some of those trails are pretty well developed Yeah, um, is that area would that be easy to shut down or not really because uh, I'm worried with what people Problem there brad is that you're right next to the end of the bridge and there's very little room between the bridge and the hartford fern to Put in your barriers because you really need barriers if you're going to be Closing the trail. So if you put logs you put brush you put signs You're you're right on top of the hartford fern where it starts. So, uh, I I see that as something of a problem It may be better to leave alone because the hartford ferns doing fine Yeah, and I mean my other concern is if we do try to relocate and we do try to Restore if we do get people going through there, they're going to do more damage than Than we're saving. So, yeah Okay. Um, yeah, so I also appreciate what you're saying erin. Yeah, obviously the less disturbance we have in wetlands Yeah, we're all for that Okay, so other commissioners we have a little bit of a Decision point for this one. Um, but also just sort of broader questions about the project too and so it was great to get the The wetland specialists out there. So thanks for dealing with all of that erin. And so that's helpful Yeah, I think it's it's useful to see where the resources actually are because I mean we We were we were based on the DEP comments. They were assuming You know 240 linear feet of impact and it ended up being quite a bit Quite a bit less than that and also that area shown as extensive wetland is not actually as extensive as as those layers show so it just for me, it's more peace of mind that The impact isn't as as drastic as what the initial perception was Yeah, peace of mind and due diligence Yep Okay, so other commissioners you have thoughts on Going one way or the other on this one. I'm good with keeping the trail where it is not relocating I uh It seems like I just pay the same a lot of disturbance for very little gain Thank you. The right anyone else I'm correct. Could I just weigh in? Um, please Dave Yeah, so this is my old stomping ground as a kid. So I know I know the area pretty well But yeah, this is a real tough one. I think and I know erin and I have had conversations about it as as as Aaron Pete and I and Yeah, I I find myself Kind of going back and forth here I am I am I think most struggling with the fact that our experience with closing off section of trail Has not been great And I worry I I do worry about kind of increased traffic out in this area. I think as You know, you know, the Kestrel Trust project was great on the Hadley side But um, if you promote it, um people will come And so we're already seeing a lot more traffic in Podek and Catherine Cole Well Podek, we're not seeing as much because the trail is impassable Thanks to the beavers, but Catherine Cole is definitely seeing a lot more more foot traffic and and dog walking, etc So I'm a little bit torn on this one. I think I do want to thank Erin. I think the due diligence that She put forth on the on the town side for the commission was was very helpful and really Outlining where the resource areas are and where they're not um, but I wonder if if we kind of work this to a point of of good compromise and You know, we'll work with our our colleagues in Hadley and and try to Kind of do this as responsibly as we can But yeah, I'm struggling thinking about the understory out there and and it doesn't it doesn't work that well for Not creating two trails Where where today there's only one and and we don't want to get to that point where we have more braided situations out there um Erin, I'm just kind of curious where you know, you've made your case on on wetlands and I think it's a very valid case What are your thoughts? I mean, I we have struggled mightily with with blocking off trails We've gotten to the point where even when you put up a split rail fence with signage that says ecological restoration area We have people taking down the signage. We have people taking down the split rail fence So it's challenging Yeah, and and that's something I don't really have an answer to um, I just I'm just always going to err on the conservative side to protect the wetlands and protect the endangered species I mean, I I hear all sides of this the The argument, um, I think one thing I keep coming back to is the The square footage of wetland alteration from the bog bridging that's proposed and and again For me personally as as a you know, person who's worked in this field for a long time I don't see the bog bridging footprint as being an alteration That's just my opinion DEP sees it differently. They see that as an alteration and so I guess my question is Do we mitigate that? You know and you know the question of moving the trails one question. The other question is do we mitigate the presumed alteration that the bog bridging footprint would create so it's kind of a two-part quandary, um As to the best We've had uh, some good discussions with scott jackson recently about DEP's policies just just related to this kind of uh, small project and trail related project and he's quite interested in um Encouraging DEP to back off from the is a very rigid Uh position they tend to take in in our region Because that's not the same position as being taken in other parts of the state So I I kind of think we're on we're on pretty safe ground For proceeding with this one and and then looking To scott's help in in working with DEP on future situations so that you know the entire trail community isn't Squeezed by higher expenses and more difficulties in permitting some of these very minor impacts Yeah, it's not like this is a new trail. I mean this is an existing trail. So it's an improvement overall Right, it's been there for at least 40 years probably more I mean from from my perspective, I would think that the I I can see both sides but I could see the relocation being an opportunity to try to restore the Old portion of the trail and that could be considered mitigation I would also see that as being somewhat of an olive branch to DEP and saying we're trying our best to Avoid the wetlands to the maximum degree we can So so that's kind of that's kind of how I see it like the relocation could be a win-win in that we restore the portion of trail that is historically altered and move away from that sensitive um Species And we could consider that to be mitigation for a relocated section of trail that's outside of the wetland An idea an idea I'll just add one one thing and that is Relocation on paper is one thing but whether you're actually accomplishing what you want to I mean, I think Dave was right It's it's not easy to uh to get these things relocated So, um, I'd I'd be I'd be leery Yeah, yeah, people are pretty hard to manage Yeah um Yeah, I think my opinion here is um I think that we should Should not uh, look at the trail. I think we should keep it as it is. Um I think that Dave you bring up a really good point and I mean just hiking the trails. I see it a lot when I'm out hiking people just doing whatever they want to do um, so I see but I also hear your point Aaron, you know, um, and I think you know Um, acknowledging that We want to do it that what's best. I just think that Yeah, I think I think that I'm more and the one we would arrive on this one too Both alternatives are improvements potentially Well, maybe we could look at this as kind of a model project so that people keep a close eye on on the process and the bug bridge and construction and Any impacts and and of course we'll do everything we can to keep keep Even temporary impacts to to a minimum and concede back the muddy spots So I I think you'll have a good situation in the end and it's something that can be monitored and and used as an example. I hope How do you intend on keeping impacts to a minimum? Can you talk a little bit more about that? I'm sorry. What was that I said, how do you intend you mentioned? Keeping impacts to a minimum. I'm curious What your plan is for that? Can you speak a little bit more? Yeah, you know So the bug bridging would be built as we go in other words We would be we'd lay down one section and then walk on that to get to the subsequent section They'll be tied together at the at the middle You see a lot of bug bridging that has separate sections and one goes up and the other goes down But if you tie them together in the middle, they they don't and so The idea would be to avoid trampling on the surrounding ground and stay As much as possible on the bridging left to get off to do a little bit of leveling but We'll try to do as little as possible of the Aimless walking around, you know, the the work site Okay So any other questions or comments from Commission on I mean so we have to first deal with the relocation issue and then the mitigation issue Is sort of a separate one I'll stick with it's not I I don't want to see a relocation on the trail. I don't think it's a good idea either. So if that helps Then we can Three of us four of us. I'm with that Okay, so I think um, yeah, I don't hear any opposition to that. So we're good on that one um So what about the mitigation issue? So I mean it's You know, it's on existing trail Um, but yeah, it's kind of weird what that dp ruling is but that's dp Well, that's how I I just don't I agree. It's already existing. We're improving The walking I don't know either like like This whole project's about to improve this whole area Yeah, so I guess I'm also with you Yeah, and you guys just just from the standpoint of our bylaw and also wetland protection act If the alteration is less than 500 square feet, you guys have the Authority to approve the alteration without mitigation So That is Within your purview to allow that to go forward without mitigation That's pretty much what the Hadley commission did with there with the wooded parts of of their Proposal Yeah, okay. So any other sort of comments or ideas So is there anybody from the public who'd like to make any comments on this so you can just raise your virtual Let's ask a quick question. I'm sorry p with is there any talk of Or maybe dave or erin can fill in about improvements to the trail head So pulling in the parking so that catherine coal If you know when you pull in the park, it's kind of a grassy Gets pretty muddy Is there any talk of that in this project? I apologize, but kestrel has already been busy Putting a plan together for some better parking with a gravel pad and it won't be big But it'll be right a bit better than as you know the muddy situation and sees that it's pretty tough for parking Yeah, and I I want to give kestrel credit because they are actually offering some funding there, but um Yeah, the initiative really came from us as we were acquiring zala as part of the The the larger zala property and project in hadley so we've known for a long time that we wanted to improve the The parking in the trailhead and the appearance and the you know the entryway there is pretty rough right now There is the the small barn that's to the left to the south Which is owned by the valley light opera and so I met with them over a year ago and they're actually offering some funding as well to improve the condition of the field farm road there so Aaron and I have been in touch with kestrel and and One of the people that Pete works with that conservation works So we are we have a plan in place that we'll bring before you during the winter pretty straightforward for a You know a crushed stone parking lot pretty simple probably some split split rail fence to define it a nice kiosk And then we'll have to clean up our our Some of our wood chip pile to the to the north And then of course we do have the beaver issue that I think Hopefully is going to be addressed through ever source To try and reduce the beaver population a little bit in podix so we can get the water level down so that you can actually use the trails And have a loop trail in podix so there's a lot going on there But 21 that's kind of one of our big initiatives is to get a much better Approach there fletcher so you raise a good point You might be interested also that the kestrel maybe already know this but kestrel for its 50th anniversary is assembling A list with maps of 50 trails around this around the valley You know to help with with dispersed use because you know everybody tends to go to amethyst brook But let's let's make sure people have lots of opportunities and this will be one of them Nice Okay, so do we have any more comments on this one? So are there orders of conditions associated with this one besides our standard boilerplate erin? I mean to me this is a relatively simple and straightforward project I would say include our boilerplate conditions for both state and local and also Conditions that were outlined by natural heritage As part of the issuance um, I would I think you know issuance of the statement of fact might be appropriate to attach to the order of conditions just basically to state Exactly what the commission's perspective is based upon the review that was done by our consultant merely to say we You know we view the bog bridging as an improvement over existing conditions and that it will actually improve the Compaction issues and the damage that's happening from the existing trail and that Relocating the trail we don't think would provide very much benefit in a you know looking at sort of cost benefit analysis and that The old trail could still be used and abused Just to kind of put it out there for D DEP the rationale that the commission used in the decision making process might be something you'd want to consider but um If not, I mean I think it's it's a very simple It's a very simple project to be honest. I mean it's a very simple permitting project So I don't I don't really have any concerns. Even there's no real excavation taking place No real veg removal taking place. Um, it's it's a very simple straightforward trail project Thank you, Erin Okay, so with that we're looking for somebody to take a stab at a motion Anna's pointing to herself. No, I'm saying not me I can I can do a larry and say so moved but I feel like we really need to spell this one out because we Did not spell it out like erin did last time and I'm not sure I can do that. That's why Yeah, the one thing you want to do is reiterate. Um, I can't remember exactly the statement of issue No issuance of statements statement of issuance something like that statement of fact statement of fact Laura's unmuted I'm gonna just All right If you walk me through it, I can do it erin. I I just don't want to mess it up. Sure. Sure. Okay. So I'm pulling up my notes here I'm ready So I'm gonna try to keep this as simple as possible. So the recommendation would be to issue an order of conditions that includes special conditions the local boiler plate and state boiler plate as well as Incorporating conditions um outlined by natural heritage in their approval And that the commission could issue a statement of fact which outlines the rationale for The bog bridging being an improvement over existing conditions Preventing long-term alteration and damage to the wetland And relocation of the trail providing minimal benefit to the resource area Larry if you say so moved right now and we so mad Well, I didn't go a little bit further with the potential relocation doing potentially doing more harm than good. Yeah, okay And I'm ready. So, um I moved to issue an order of conditions that includes special conditions local and state boiler plate and incorporates the conditions outlined by natural heritage in their approval um We could also issue the commission could also issue a statement of fact or just like to do we are issuing Sorry, I'm I should have written this and not in third person Um, could issue a statement of fact which outlines that and I'm outlining it right here The bog bridging is an improvement and prevents long-term alteration and damage the wetland And relocation of the trail would potentially do more harm than good. So we are not going to recommend that or ask for that I second that Thanks, Laura Oh, well done. So looking for a voice vote taking notes here I Anna I Larry I Leroy I Laura I And I for me as well. So we are good to go on this one Great. Thank you very much.  It'll be I'm guessing April Yeah, looking forward to the improvements out there. So Yeah, thank you. Thanks Bye. Bye Okay So, uh, we're moving on to what is listed as our 740 which is a request for determination So you need to officially open this one This public meeting is now being called to order This meeting is being held as required of the provisions of chapter 131 section 40 The general laws of the commonwealth and act relative to the protections of wetlands as most recently amended In the town of amherst wetlands protection by law This is being brought before us by bacon wilson pc for u drive south llc for relocation of residential structure on the corner of Snell and baker map 13d lot 55 with associated site work In the buffer zone. So I think I saw oh erin already grabbed it. So tom Here I am. Good evening A long time no see. Yeah, no kidding. Good to see everybody If you'd like to introduce yourself. Sure. Yeah for the record tom reedy attorney with bacon wilson and amherst here on behalf of u drive south Thank you. And if you could Provide a little setup that'd be most appreciated. Sure. Yeah, and and erin, I don't know what if anything You have I can always share my screen But essentially this is a property at the corner of snell street and baker street In amherst over by one university drive south, which if you'll remember You issued an order of conditions you issued I think A determination of applicability or maybe a delineation A few years ago this Project this parcel is adjacent to that parcel It's the same delineation And so what barry would be looking to do is actually to relocate a single family home from south pleasant street It's a circa 1862 building. It's an amherst college building It's a single family residence And to actually pick up the house and move it down to this lot and so What we've done is You hopefully will have a have a plan in front of you or have had the opportunity to look at a plan showing We're staying entirely outside of the 50 foot wetland buffer And I think lee roy and erin were there today And I think erin has some suggestions based upon what we saw on site And I think you know, we'll just say we're amenable to all of those suggestions So we can update the plan after and erin I don't know if you want to walk through those which obviously i'm more than happy to do but yeah, you may want to Sure, we're happy to update the plan to show that Yeah, so i'll just um, sorry, it's For whatever reason pds are having a really hard time opening on my computer. Um, so it's a little tricky for me to get it open but um, just to give you kind of a A quick view of the site. This is um, you drive south coming in You'll remember we just permitted a project on the other side of you drive south um, this shows the The boundary of the house lot with the proposed house location The wetland boundary This was filed as a rda because it's the the work was proposed to be over 50 feet from the wetland Um And from walking the site today, sorry i've got i'm The other reason this is complicated is i'm jumping from um Screen to screen so that I can share these with you. Um, and i'll Maybe just for the sake of simplicity. I'll show you the plan first with my markups or kind of Suggestions and then I can show you pictures so that you can see Exactly what i'm talking about here and this is a scan So the quality is not fantastic. Um So My first observation is um, you know, uh, it's been we've gotten a lot of precipitation and it's also been kind of cold the last um few weeks so um If you're if you're standing on baker street looking at it, there's a very in this general area of town. There's a very sort of country drainage configuration um baker street is Is tilted like this like so that water can sheet flow from one side of the road to the other And um, it doesn't appear that there's a whole lot in terms of catch basins and things like that along the roadway to capture storm water and and treat it under under the surface um That what you can see on the plan um that's already shown here is that there is a partially paved what's called a paved waterway But portions of it are paved along the edge of snel street and then it comes down into a catch basin on the West side, I guess this is of the property um from walking the property today what I observed um was that there is Water coming off of snel street sort of in this general area and it's moving um, there is there is sort of a um A channel I wouldn't describe it as a I mean, it's certainly not a stream. It is a channel like configuration It looks to have been designed to carry water down Into the exact location where the catch basin is on this end um There were some wetland indicators in portions of it. There was some sphagnum moss. There wasn't sensitive fern in I would say like sort of select areas of it, but For the most part it was an unvegetated um You know there was leaf litter all over the ground and I'll show you pictures of what it looked like in a second Where this little star is there's a little section of frag mighty um And you know, it's really interesting is across the street from snel street There's a drop inlet catch basin that goes under snel and I believe that carries the water Under that residential property in that vets office over to the frag mighty that's on the other side um Going along north Hampton road where we just permitted Mass DOT to do their little road expansion. So there's frag mites over there as well but um The only source of water appears to be just road drainage coming off of there. So My suggestion was to add that to the plan and label it as a drainage swale and To add a Culvert going under this driveway because What's happening is water is sheeting off of snel And I believe it's moving in either direction into this swale and then down into that catch basin My concern is that if This driveway was put in that you're basically going to just have water pooling on one side or the other and it's not going to be able to move where it wants to go um And the other thing I was going to suggest and that I suggested in the field was that the limit of work and the erosion controls be moved so that there's like a 10 foot offset from that drainage channel to protect it to keep The limit of work outside from impacting that that drainage swale and also To surround this little wet pocket here that's along the road with erosion With straw waddles as well during construction to keep sediment from entering it And I'll just show you pictures so you can kind of see the extent when I talk about this it sounds like it's Um It's it's really not very extensive. Um Give you an idea of what it looks like so this is Um standing in the middle of the lot looking East and you can see the little patch of frag mites Can you guys see my cursor?  Yep, exactly. Yeah, you can see a little patch of frag mighty there This is looking out towards the intersection so you can see it's it's it's upland over in that corner, but that's That's pretty much where that drainage swale starts is along the road This is looking at you you drive in there and the road that was there. Was that you drive? That's snel street and baker street Baker street comes out on snel. Yep. Yeah, okay Um, and then this is looking at the house lot location. So this this is the house corner closest to that snel baker intersection. So I basically just turned around 90 degrees And then this is standing out um a long baker looking toward Snel and you can again see in front of tom there that little Little frag mighty patch that's and you can also kind of see the The slope of the roadway there how it's leaning This is a photo of some of the water And here's the the little drainage swale that I would call it There was no real flow observed in it. Um, there wasn't What I would describe as you know standing water so much as I think it's just it's surface water Maybe ground water that's just moving in that direction This is the catch basin that both of those swales flow into And then this is looking up toward the the paved swale that runs along snel street This is again looking From the woods sort of into that little you can see there's little wet pockets in there. Um From the the road drainage But that's what that looks like And those are my suggestions to tom and he Um, I tom you got my email late in the day. So none of those things are surprised. Okay No problem Thank you, erin and thank you tom um, so one question for me just to kick it off Is what's going to be the treatment for the land and so obviously some vegetation has to get removed I assume they're going to put in some sort of foundation um, and then how what's going to be the extent of land clearing and how are The future landowners going to know where that extent is going to be Is there some sort of permanent demarcation? Sure. So great questions Maybe starting with the last one first when we were out in the field erin had suggested that we just Mark because one of the representations that we had made to her and today throughout the process was that we weren't going to The limit of work was going to be the 50 foot wetland buffer And so, you know, we'd put boulders out there I think is what we talked about in the field because they're the most Permanent that that you can get versus some other things that you could put out there So we would go and we'd put those boulders out there Just to make sure that you know kind of in perpetuity People know where it is and then as far as the land treatment. So the idea is to In and I don't know Barry's on but he can probably speak more eloquently and educated about how it's done.  You bring it on to the road on south pleasant street We'll head north to the center of town. Take that left go down north hampton road To the in the I know to the intersection at you drive south take that left. Hopefully I I think on the Easterly side. So, you know, it's like a divided Way that you drive south so we don't have to go through those traffic lights. So You you take that left and then we'll end up coming into the site from that direction And so we'll have to build some sort of you know, we'll culvert the that drain coming in from that west side and Barry will have Wagner wood build some either it's a swamp mat or some sort of bridge because then the truck will literally just Drive over the site will have been cleared no more than the 50 foot wetland buffer with sensitivity to that drainage swale And then there will be a cellar hole dug And then what Barry says is you bring the house you put it over the hole And then you pour the foundation And then you put the house down onto that foundation I think leaving room for the beams that it's setting on and then my guess is you take the beams out and then fill in the rest of the concrete And then that's that and then I think he was saying that he would like to do the driveway first So that any subs you know for the electrical plumbing because it's really just reconnecting some things Get the park on the driveway. So we're not worrying about tracking dirt out there and then um, you know, we can work with Aaron just to make sure that whatever sort of site grading is done at a time and in a way where we're not We're conscious of sediment, you know sedimentation and also tracking Onto the roads and so that's kind of the overall picture of how I think Barry we see it going Okay, and how far back is lawn going to go? It's a great question. Um No, frankly, no idea. Okay Okay, because that is often the other issue So if we know how far lawn is going to go and then just sort of standard lawn conditions meaning no fertile no inorganic fertilizers And other things that could be deleterious to the wetland. That's fine. I mean, I don't see any issues with any of those conditions I just don't know the extent of of where that lawn is going to go So and I would I would recommend that as part of the determination of applicability that we include the same standard Boiler plates that we would for you know um state and local law for approval that would Outline those same things that brett was just talking about there's we have boiler plate in there regarding the use of fertilizers um And herbicides and pesticides and things like that And There there were just as a side note there were quite a bit of invasives on the lot in the location where the house was going and um I understood I mean Generally when I see invasives, I would say that there would be a requirement that the invasives be removed from the site and properly disposed of From what I understand That material is going to be chipped by Wagner wood and then it's taken um to be burned at the um I'm not sure Barry said the hospital. I'm not sure which one but some hospital must have some sort of Wood fire.  There you go. Perfect. They have a wood chip boiler that Clean does all the sanitation and heating and cooling for the hospital Excellent. It's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's so that's where it's going Okay, thank you. Um, so other questions from commissioners on this one Just to be clear. So we already saw the wetland delineation from Um, uh around the corner where you're building the apartment building for the whole site. Yeah, because this okay This is this was just carved off. I don't know. Maybe earlier this year. I want to say Got it. Cool. Just just confirm me. Sure Yeah, the wetland boundary carries up beyond there's like a um a fence like almost like a um A pasture fence that runs behind the back of the property And at a certain point it turns into lawn actually the property Residential property that's behind this lot. Um, it's like on the other side of that swale. I showed you pictures of It's just a lawn area, but it's you know, they must have Be like sort of a wet meadow in their backyard Okay, um any comments from anybody from the public? Okay, so I don't see any unless there's any other comments from Um commissioners, I think we're ready to move. So Erin, could you help set us up for that? Sure, so um My recommendation would be that the um commission issue a negative determination under the wetlands protection act um with standard boilerplate conditions and a positive determination under the local bylaw approving the work to proceed with uh The standard boilerplate under the local wetland protection bylaw and um additional conditions would be that the plan be revised to include the items that were marked up as well as including um boulders for the A lot to be placed along the 50 foot no disturb And that the 50 foot would serve as the limit of work line That there would be a 10 foot or so offset from that drainage swale to protect it during construction and that invasives be Removed offsite and properly disposed of I'm just going for it Okay, making them Oh, did I take your thunder Laura? Oh, I like I like it Uh, so I moved to make a negative determination Under the wetlands protection act and we'll use the boilerplate conditions for that and I moved to make a positive determination under the Amherst bylaw wetlands protection act with the boilerplate conditions And that we the other conditions include putting in the boulders on the 50 foot for the work delineation Including the markups on the on the plans from Aaron to have the swale for the 10 foot demarcation for limited limited work Including the culvert and all that invasives be removed and disposed appropriately burned and All right, I second that I second that motion Fletcher. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Well done No looking for a voice vote on this larry. Yes Um Fletcher. Hi Anna Hi LaRoy. Hi Laura Hey And I for me as well. So tom this was a fairly quick and easy one. So we're we're good Great. Thank you so much. Have a great night. All right, man. Thanks. Bye. Bye. See you soon. Yes Okay, so, uh, why don't we move on to what's listed as our 7 45 And this is a notice of intent. And so let me get the language up for that one This public hearing is now called to order this hearing is being held as required by the provisions of chapter 131 section 40 The general laws of the commonwealth and act relative to the protection of wetlands as most recently amended in the town of Amherst wetlands protection bylaw This is a notice of intent that's being brought before us by Sherman and Frederick LLC for Hampshire property management group for improvements to the existing drainage system at amity place condominiums condos number 73 to 77 map 14 a through lot one And for the applicant if you could raise your hand Thank you and Okay, so Keith you are now a panelist and we have to hit one more button No Okay, so we can see you Keith and can't hear you yet though Good evening. I'm Keith Terry with Sherman Frederick land surveying Um You can hear me now Yep, we can hear you and if you could provide a brief introduction to the project that'd be most appreciated Sure great. Uh, so the amity place is a condominium project that's been constructed and They're having Difficulties behind the units Northeast corner of the property the Units have actually had a drainage improvements behind them extending out to the wetlands previously That's the existing conditions as you see it now and So the the issue is is that the drainage system that they constructed it was a kind of a stone and trench With perforated pipe That's failed Their their system has failed in that area And they want to reconstruct it So our proposal is to reconstruct it with a Trench drain wrapped in fabric and Trench drain will outlet we could go to the sheet too and the trench drain will outlet to a A stone sump Down adjacent to the wetlands So the intention is to Place wetland. I'm sorry place erosion controls limits on the edge of the wetlands And the proposed work is outside the wetland limit We will have We'll have open yard drains behind the units where the patios are And the roof leaders will be tied into this trench drain And it'll be open stone along the building until the first bend And at that point we're going to cap the trench drain with Loam and seed and filter fabric loam and seed So that the remainder of the drain will be hidden in a swale Coming down to the sump That's pretty much a I'm going to leave it at that and ask you guys to proceed with your questions, I guess Unless you want to talk about the disturbances in the work zones buffer zones Yeah, that'd be great. So this project is going to Create approximately 2,795 square feet of disturbance in the 100 foot wetland buffer zone you can see At the bend the trench all the way out to the wetland limit is that would be our disturbance area and then the we measure approximately 805 square feet of disturbance within 30 foot offset to the wetland limit The wetland in this area is actually a pretty well-defined channel with Brush growth and some trees And if we didn't provide any photos or anything but at the location of this sump There's actually a footpath that someone is using to go into the neighboring property So all of this disturbance that we're proposing is actually in Currently disturbed Currently disturbed Land There's you're at the top of the photo is the beginning of the footpath someone has to drop some plywood in there so they don't they're not stepping directly into the mud Right there So so our limit of work is basically the limit of lawn see and I'll leave it there So do you guys mind if I just kind of jump in here and talk about the site visit? Please do okay so um the the plan that we just looked at you sort of see the the Improved drainage and I will just just to make sure you guys are aware. This is we're talking We're not talking about anything coming off of a parking lot or anything that needs cheap This is roof drainage So we're talking, you know clean water coming off of roofs These are the Existing catch basins. They're looking to upgrade and improve And then right now this water comes like almost like an underground French drain Sort of following our footsteps down this hill and then into this There's a little sort of wetland stream Down at the end of this where that board is somebody plays boards over it so they could get across the stream to the field on the other side Um I think this is a very simple straightforward project for the most part. I think that the really the biggest Questions for me on this are because the work is going to take between four and six weeks What is the time of year when the work is going to be done? because if it's done in the winter or the early spring it could get really messy on the site in terms of The the area needs to be excavated by a small piece of equipment A lot of material would be coming out of a trench and then they would be putting material stone material and piping material as well as the catch basins to carry the water down To that little stone collection area at the base of the slope So I think time of year is really important and that was one question I asked on site Um My recommendation would be summer or low flow low flow precipitation periods if possible I know they're having a problem right now with the system not working and backing up So if they can't wait that long then my recommendation would be One of two options either they excavate The areas that they need to and then immediately stabilize the areas where they're not working with A straw waddle check dams going down the slope and erosion control blankets or seed and mulch in the air in the areas along that slope or Do the work in a phased approach in completing the work on top of the hill first to install those structures um kind of um That up and then moving down the slope Almost like a three phase project complete the top then the middle then the bottom sort of in a phased configuration, but um Keith maybe you know more about I don't know if you were able to get to the bottom of when they wanted to do the work So after our site visit today, I gave a call to the contractor and I gave a call to the applicant and I did confirm that If if possible, they would like to do it during this low precipitation in the middle of winter before spring begins they do understand that they will have to as you saw you said do it in phases and You know Manage their exposed soils You know to a tight degree and yes, they would start up by the the patios and they would As you've said had to they would have to phase through down to the base of the of the project because You know, it's tight quarters. They can't just stock file soil off to the side or anything They will have to truck out and truck back in as they go so Yeah, they they don't have any any argument about stabilizing mulching as they go during the winter And I apologize I missed the key But the idea is that once everything's installed it be everything's going to be basically returned to pre construction conditions so the sod or the The lawn is going to be put back in So the only place where the lawn won't be put back in is outside the hundred foot buffer behind The building where the patios are that's going to remain Open stone so that they can capture the water the best they can But yes, the remainder of it will be returned to a turf except for the at the base is a is a stone sump The idea is that We don't want the water to be blasting out into the wetlands. We don't want any erosion at the end of the open pipe And we're going to have Use native rounded stone So that the residents and whoever's you know, destrian walking You know, they don't have to fall onto those really angular riprap rocks that you see in other places But but yes, will everything will be turned back to turf. We're not looking to make anything impervious Sounds good Okay, so thank you Keith. Thank you Erin other commissioners any questions or comments on this one So anybody from the public if you want to virtually raise your hand Okay, if not, I think we're ready to move on this one So that's nice very quick So straightforward, um, you know makes sense so Okay, Erin. Can you help out with the With the motion Erin you're muted Okay, there we go. Okay. Um, so The recommendation would be to issue an order of conditions with the standard boilerplate under wetland protection act and local wetland protection bylaw I would recommend conditions for phased construction I would recommend three phases based on the configuration of the proposed work To complete the work At the top of the slope by the behind the Residences to install the catch basins first Do the excavation install the underground Structures and then stabilize that area and then move to phase two, which would be the area between that area Um going down the slope and then phase three being the area at the bottom where the stone sump is going to be installed um Obviously there would be disturbance of the entire area so erosion controls would have to be installed prior to work beginning and any, um Areas of disturbance that the area would have to be controlled with um A straw waddle check dam going down that slope as well as either an erosion control blanket or straw and seed um to keep material from moving um When the areas are not being worked on Thank you, Erin You know, I was starting to draft that and I'm sorry Erin. I was like rigorously typing and when we got to phase two I couldn't keep up so I think I may have gotten it if you want me to take a stab at it. Yes Fletcher stop it. All right. Um, Fletcher's laughing at everybody. All right. Uh, so I moved to issue, um the order of Oh my god order of conditions, right? Yes. Okay. Thank you with the standard boilerplate language Under the wetlands protection act as well as local bylaws Um our conditions include three phases of construction The phase one complete the work at the top of the slope installing catch basins and stable stabilization Phase two starts to go down the slope and then phase three is at the bottom of the slope All of this erosion controls need to be installed prior to the start of work and any disturbance is to be controlled with straw waddles Step dams, I don't think my typing caught that right check dams. Thank you And either an erosion control blanket or straw and seed to keep it from moving Did I miss anything? All right Someone second me please Thank you Nice job team. We're a voice vote so larry. Yes Fletcher. Aye Anna Aye LaRoy Aye Laura Aye And I for me as well So thank you Keith. So Erin will be in touch with the paperwork That's great. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Have a good one, man. Thank you Okay Okay, so those are all of our hearings And so at this point we're moving on to other business. So is there a certain order you want to hit this? Erin um Yeah, let's start with the request for certificate of compliance for eversource because I see robin on and I'm going to just promote her to panelists So, um, there was a um, sorry priority structure project That was completed by eversource. It was actually the work was being done right around the time I started last year the work was Done being wrapped up right around that time Um, and I had had the opportunity to go out and walk the sites multiple times um I did so the submitted request for certificate of compliance included photos of all the sites Which showed that the area was stable and the photos were taken back in october So everything was very green. Um I did sort of a spot check in three locations along the line as opposed to all of the locations along the line Just for time reasons and all the sites that I visited that were stabilized vegetation had come back And I have some photos of a couple of those areas to just show you Very quickly This is I believe up behind amherst college Just to give you a sense this is where the the um Swamp mats were in place. So these are all like we're all the wetlands all the wetlands, right? Exactly. Yep. So we're standing in the middle of the wetland here and so you can see it's it's all come back Look what 15 000 mats can do. I know it's They're it's really pretty awesome Um, this is the area adjacent to strong street And that material that you see in the front there. That's an old patch of um Um Black top that has apparently been there for quite a while and it's not a ever source related It wasn't that that was not part of the ever source project and it wasn't done by ever source. It was just the material that was to dumped there at some point in time, but um It's all reed canary grass. It's invasive, but it's you know, that's what's that's what's growing there and that's it's all stabilized um This is the area of um at the intersection of state street and the leverett road really Sort of like right, um, there's like a big big mound of um, it's like bedrock and riprap up there that they put the structure on um There this is the area that little apple tree on the other side That no work was done there, but they did have erosion controls there, but the area just looked completely stable and then the area This is in front and you can see the area in front. They never even touched this. Um, they just stayed up on the Up on the hill. So those were the the three areas that I picked out to visit just to kind of spot check and everything was very stable so, um Based on my site visits and review I would recommend that we issue a certificate of compliance for de p number 89 dash 655 And just one point of clarification. Um, this is something different than the current ever source line work that's in front of us as well So This is the quote-unquote older one. Yes. Yep. This work was completed on for priority structures that needed replacement The other one is to replace all the remaining structures that weren't replaced initially Thank you. Erin Robin. Is there anything you'd like to add? Oh, no, I guess I'll just um Well, I guess. Yeah, I will add one thing um that for The upcoming project for the full rebuild the road locations and matted areas will be in the same locations that they were for the priority structure project Um, so the there won't be additional impact. It'll go back into those areas We'll do all the same inspections and report back on those Great, thank you Okay, so any commissioners have any questions on this one? I've seen some of these just through travels and then yeah, everything looks good out there from what I've seen as well We have nobody from the public left. So No public comments Want me to make a motion? Please. Yeah, how about I make an motion for um to order a certificate of compliance for ever source under dp number 089 dash 0655 second Okay, so looking for a voice vote on this one. Anna. I Larry I Butcher I Leroy I Laura And I for me as well. So we are good with this. So thank you robin. Thank you very much Have a good night Okay, so erin next on the hit list Yeah, so another request for certificate of compliance, um I walked out there today. This one is a very very unusual um It's not in order of conditions. It's a determination of applicability that the commission Required be recorded at the registry of deeds Um, it's it's an older one from 1997 And basically this is just really uh unorthodox and you know, I walked to the site. I'll show you photos There's clearly nothing has gone on there for a very long time. The site's totally stable. It's basically Just a regular residential backyard Side yard. There is a stream that runs along which is clearly the reason why they had You know had to file in the first place because this little little intermittent stream that runs along their property But um and the house is is relatively close to that stream um But yeah, I would I would recommend that the commission issue a certificate of compliance to release this determination of applicability Okay, I don't I'll make that motion to uh To certificate of compliance for the uh rfd 97 dash 05 75 Second Okay, so voice vote on this one Anna I Larry I Fletcher I Roy I Laura And I for me as well. So where's Arlington road? It's off of like where moody bridge turns into west ponder. I just had to look it up. It's like another part of town I never go to like across. Yeah across from hickory ridge. Got it. Yeah Yes, I can't I can't go that far It's pretty scary down here. I'd stay away. Yeah, right. Yeah, you can Larry down there Yeah, we hold it down. You guys y'all don't need to come down here. It's fine. We got it Okay, so Erin next. Yeah, okay, so, um Monitoring reports nothing nothing really to report there. Um There was a dpw sanitary sewer overflow That beth reported to me Um, I think it was about 500 gallons That came out of the sewer system on the corner of I believe it was whitney street and I can't remember the name of the other road that comes off whitney, but um About 500 gallons that came out into the road and um was captured in the catch basins along the roadway um I had asked beth if there was any impacts to faringbrook. She said that the material never made it that far It was captured by the catch basins And was treated with lime So this is another one of those um ongoing situations that Happens from time to time Um enforcement updates I've been in touch with as a result of I mentioned a meeting or two ago Just to follow up from a complaint on 99 pulpit hill road there had been an enforcement order last summer out there to restore some plantings and um We were supposed to have a report from um The monitors basically that indicated the success of the plants that were planted last this past summer and that report never came in Um, I was in touch with the landowner and also with the consultant for the landowner and they're gonna Submit the plan to us sometime in may or june and I do have that on my calendar for that time to follow up with them Um poor farm restoration project we um myself and um Rebecca Zimmer from natural heritage endangered species program. We worked out a schedule with um Sabina Knoyer's um consultant for us to basically By early march have a restoration plan before the commission and hopefully Approved around that time so In the meantime, they're going to be submitting some draft plans to To us for review and comment and we'll kind of be going through a process of review and revision with them until they submit a final plan for us To be approved by you. Um, that's meets the requirements of natural heritage Carver av um, I did issue them ratified enforcement order and also the three month extension for their order of conditions And did ask for an update for this evening to um Let us know the status of the reflagging and I have not heard anything back from them Are you talking about canton af? Yeah, did I say carver? Oh, I always mix those two names up. Why do I now where's carver af? Okay, canton. Excuse me. Sorry about that That was a typo um, so yeah, but on that particular one, I think I'm gonna have to I mean, I would almost recommend that the commission set a deadline for the reflagging. Um, because I think that if if the commission is um Doesn't set a deadline. I'm not sure that it's gonna um Be an incentive for them to move it along, but it's it's really up to you guys how you want to do it But for that one erin, can you remind us how long we did the I'll just call it the temporary um extension Yeah, it was Three months I believe we gave them till the end of February I think that's right I believe it was end of February that we gave them till Yeah, I mean, so if they don't get their acting gear by then then yeah, you know, we close so I'm not sure how much more incentive they need. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I do think that they filled a wetland in there, but um, you guys already know that So anyways, we can we can play it by ear. I can definitely follow up with them Again, I asked them for an update and didn't get one for tonight, but um, just to let you know kind of the status that um Another big elephant in the room this evening, uh, 51 east pleasant street. It's the old Bertucci's parking lot Um earlier this week they were out there excavating um excavating the parking lot they had not Filed any permits with the town. They just kind of Uh Move forward, I guess with the excavation and so, um, the work was obviously discovered and We held an internal meeting with the Representatives for the owner and basically I laid out all of the requirements They So basically where things stand is that they excavated a small portion of the parking lot Is currently exposed so they pulled up the asphalt. There are catch basins within that area that have had, um Silt sacks placed in them to protect them temporarily While they're while the parking lot's exposed and they've also put up some erosion controls as well um What they would like to do what they would like for the commission to approve tonight is for them to Basically just patch pave the area that they excavated without a permit just to seal it for the winter so that we don't have um sediment pouring into those catch basins all winter long So if they could patch pave it and then They've been advised that they need to hire a wetland scientist to map the wetlands to um In an engineer to evaluate the catch basins because faringbrook is about two feet below the parking lot there Make sure everything's functioning properly. See if they need to replace any structures And then basically redesign the parking lot to meet Redevelopment standards. So that's what they're asking is to basically just patch the area that they Excavated in In error And What were they trying to do? They were trying to to Repave the whole parking lot. They thought that they didn't realize they needed permits to do that Right because tan brooks right that goes right Or is it isn't it right? Yeah Well, there's tan brooks a little beer can so whatever right Right tan brook does go underneath the parking lot and there is a small swale on the on the side of the parking lot as well um They said they didn't know it was wet and that they didn't know that they needed a permit So Okay, well now they do know And so it's good to notice whoever caught that and um Yeah, I mean that makes sense that we should you know seal it up and then they'll come before us when In due process Okay, anybody have any questions on this one or what do we vote on it? I would recommend that you make a motion to allow them to seal the Excavated portion of the parking area for the winter until they can file a notice of intent Um, Erin my only question is and your slide deck said see communications and I just wanted to make sure I'm not seeing that in the folder. Is it somewhere? That I'm missing it came in Just in the last day or so, so I'm not sure I got it Oh, okay. No worries. I just I can it basically convey so Um, they they asked for more They asked basically they asked for they they asked the commission to consider tonight allowing them to just move forward with the entire Repaving and I said That's not how it feels like a no. Yeah like you can't commit a violation and then Get to move forward with your whole project and wrap it up before winter Right and yeah, they did give it a shot They did. Yeah I let them know that they can't do that and that basically the only thing that that they can do at this point is is Patch the area that they've disrupted and then file a permit to do the rest. So Well, all right. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't If you wanted us to have read everything really thoroughly Not doing that Oh, they've been they've been very thoroughly warned in writing by me I totally have so much faith in you. Yes All right, I'm gonna make a motion. Um We don't have to vote though. Do we just okay making a motion to Seal the excavated area um for the winter time so, um And then, you know bring back to us a notice of intent. Um come spring Yeah, for any additional work is done For any additional work is done bolded and underlined Second Okay, voice vote. Anna Aye Larry Aye Fletcher Aye Laura Aye LaRoy Aye Aye as well We're getting towards the bottom here Aaron Well, I just wanted to comment you guys are like turning into a well-oiled machine I don't know if it's me or if it's you But It's you it's for sure you No, that's that's all I have for tonight and I am blown away that we made it through everything at 9 15 9 20 You have a well-trained at this point Aaron. So With that being said, we are looking for a final motion I move we adjourn this meeting Second seconded How do you vote oh Am I oh, okay. Sorry Oh Okay, so Fletcher said hi Anna. Hi, Larry. Hi, Roy Hi, Laura Hi And I for me as well. We are officially done and I am stuck