Move aside, sir. Plan to step aside or there will be violence. A wonderful day yesterday. How about you? I had a wonderful encounter. I had an opportunity to actually show and use what we know and use from the Bible, meaning I had an opportunity to be a Christian. What does that mean? Because I think, I think, I think I could be wrong, but I think that a lot of us forget about it. Forget what it means. And I understand I can get caught up in it. You can get caught. We all get caught up in it. Sometimes we get caught up in the excitement, the euphoria, the anger, the heat, all of the passion. And so you call somebody out and you can call somebody out. And Lord knows there's always a reason and there's always something to call somebody out.  How many of you all have a game plan after that? How many of you all think about what do I do if the person that I call out responds? What do I do when the person that you talk to, what do I do when the person you talk to or talk about wants to talk to you? Yeah, before I go into something, I want to show you guys something. I want to show you guys something. No, by the way, you all have your opportunity to give your comments, your question. I might even, I'm thinking about even putting out the link and just letting you guys come on board. I love you. I love you. But, and by the way, the overwhelming majority of people were on board with it. We're okay, we're cool with it. But there were some that didn't. Before I come to that, I want to show you guys something. I would like to show you guys something and I want you to see, I want you to tell me something. I want you to see if you notice something. See if you notice something. These are the comments from yesterday. These are the comments from yesterday. Now, let me make, I may need to make these a little bit bigger. There we go. Let me make these a little bit bigger. Here are the comments. I don't know, can you guys read those? Hold on, let me make these. Make this a little bit bigger. All right, move that over this way because I want you guys to read it. Okay, I'm trying to get it just right. So you guys, okay. Now, some of these folks are from YouTubers that you know and some of these are folks you have no idea who they are.  This is from, oh no, I'm not saying it right, Diamante, I think he's a good brother. He is more of the free grace persuasion. He said, the bottom line is that Marcus is unlearned and unstable. He's been corrected scores of times concerning his false prophecies and erroneous teachings regarding soteriology, theology, proper, et cetera. My response is when should we give up correcting them? This right here, I'm not going to even deal with this one.  Case closed on that. I'll let you all go back and read that. The only thing that I learned from this video is that Marcus Rogers is an exceedingly cunning deceiver and Cory is a limp, wow, limp, risted defender of the truth. I defend the truth in a limp, risted fashion. Could be, could be, and you won't say it to my face. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Cory, I'm a little bit disappointed in you. You watered down the Trinity just believing Jesus got first of all, I think sometimes we get caught up in trying to see what someone's going to say and so forth and not listen. I never said the Trinity was just only about Jesus being God. I said what's required for salvation in regards to Jesus' deity is that Jesus is God. If you can fully, let me just say this again because I think some folks need to, it's almost like folks watch the channel and don't pay attention. You can be saved, believe that Jesus is God but not be able to fully flesh out the Trinity. You all got that. I hope everyone understands that. I wasn't trying to go over the Trinity. I think Marcus messes up the Trinity and try to explain it. I've told him personally and online that maybe we got to figure out how we say certain things because you don't want to cause more confusion by your explanations. So let's go back to it and remember, someone says where was all that energy and heat from Marcus yesterday being a heretic? Well, be patient, be patient, my friend because I'm going to answer that. And I want to see if you're going to have that same energy in your responses. Love you though. I love you to death. But I'm going to see because it's like all of a sudden, chess champ. Brian, let me ask you a question. Jeff, you guys, did all of a sudden I become a false teacher or a heretic? Did all of a sudden, did I change anything? Did I move back from anything? Did I renounce any my positions? Did I approve of any of anyone else's positions? I don't think I did. I don't think I did. But anyway, let's go back to it. I want to have fun, but I want to make us, I want to make sure we look at the text. I'm throwing you guys a key. So let's next one. This is another brother. He, and I like this, but I think he's in Australia or New Zealand or someplace. I'm not sure. He said, this is like Alan Parr's conversation with Marcus. It's very confusing for people who see this collaboration. How, how in the world is this confusing for anybody? Who walked away yesterday? Said, you know what? I believe it. I did not believe anything Marcus said yesterday, but prior yesterday, now I believe everything Marcus said. I used to believe, I used to have a similar doctrinal stance as Corey, but since yesterday I'm confused. I believe everything Marcus said, who, who? I think we need, listen, and I'm going to be, and I've read some folks have reached out to me and I've reached back. Listen, I'm ready to have your discussion with you. You're going to, you're going to find that, you're going to find out that some of you guys might not want to have this kind of conversation. Some of you guys want to have a discussion with people, but don't want to have a discussion. You want to have a discussion in the chats with them, but you don't want to have the conversation and you don't want to change your tone. Because let me just say this, uh, uh, nope, I'm going to, I'm assuming nope is a male. So brother, nope. It's not a matured look for us to always have the same energy when we talk to someone, if there's trying to be some need to maybe reconcile some things or some fix some things, but I'll come back to that just a little bit. So he says this conversation, uh, was best had off camera, um, but never on camera. This is troubling. Okay. This is why this is absolutely ignorant. Not him. I love, I love him to get to death. How many conversations did Paul have publicly with someone who he disagreed with? You know, think about a gripper. He could have had that conversation with a gripper privately. He could have addressed the people that had the statue with the unknown guy privately. Come here. Let me talk to you for a second. What about all these different debates that we have with people that we disagree with that have those debates privately, have this discussion privately? So I said we had a conversation offline privately initially and we decided, you know what, this might be a good thing for others to see and people did. Uh, let's continue. Marcus is slick. He doesn't actually believe in the triune guy. Well, he actually said he did. It's funny. He said he did and you say he didn't. He actually said he did. He's playing with the language. Corey is helping him without realizing. Oh, by pitching and leading the questions. I asked Marcus a series of questions. Do you believe? Do you believe? Do you believe? Do you believe? Do you believe? Well, here's why I asked him that way because we had it. We had a time limit. I wanted to get through. I didn't ask him those questions initially. I asked him what he thought. He explained to me some of the things that he said might have been a little bit clunky. And I said, we got to, we got to fix it. I said, but I'm going to bless you. May I ask you these questions? And he agreed with the question. I wasn't leading him. I was trying to get through. But again, he agreed with it. Most cases, some of you guys, if we go through some of these things, and I know because I sit and watch the chats, ask questions. And there are times where I have to leave the chat sometime. Okay. What about this? What about this? Oh, okay. I get it, which is perfectly fine. Perfectly fine because maybe his mind might be thinking or your mind might be somewhere else. And I want to make sure that you center on the point that I'm trying to make. Nothing wrong with that. We weren't in the court of law, by the way. We were not in a court of law. Anyway, John Klass and Marcus is willing to hear. Amen. Amen. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. This person, victoriously, it's here. We had to actually have a nice conversation. She disagreed, but then we had a nice conversation and spoken. I think she emailed me and I responded to email. And so everything was good after that. But then my brother comes back and says the same thing with Alan Parr. I still wonder how many of these folks that disagree have ever led anybody to anything other than a fight. I just wonder. Then Urban Lagia, he said, you didn't ask the right questions based on failing to understand the heretical Christology and theology proper of Oneness Pentecostals. Marcus isn't a brother in Christ. First of all, most people who are Oneness Pentecostals don't even know what that means. Let's just be clear. So I'm not trying to ask him to explain his theology and so forth. His doctrine. And I said, I disagree to think that any man is going to change all of his doctrine. By the way, I was not expecting for Marcus to renounce everything. Can I ask you guys a question? How many of you all thought that when you saw Marcus, Marcus is getting ready to renounce everything that he's ever believed? Marcus is getting ready to throw away everything that that wasn't okay. Marcus is getting ready to throw down everything that he ever believed. No one thought that. You said that you didn't email me. Okay, fine. Okay, that's fine. It was someone else. But Marcus, I was not under the illusion that Marcus is getting ready to change everything. Marcus, oh wow. He's standing before a great Corey Miner. He's going to bow down and just change everything. How long did it take? Can I ask you guys a question? Let me just, let me put the chats on the screen. I want to ask you guys a question. There's a question I want to ask you guys. And be honest, please. How many of you all by the way, Violet? Yes. Yes, that is Marcus and I. And I've told Marcus. I won't share the comments that I've made with him that we had, but one of the things I'm going to listen. I said something. I said Marcus. I said, I don't know if Marcus is a brother or not. So what am I going to do? I'm going to treat him like a brother. I'm going to come back to that in a second. Why that's not as bad as you think. Me saying I'm going to treat him like a brother. But that means now I've got access until either he cuts it off or I cut it off. So now I can talk to Marcus. Hey, what about this? And I told him I'm going to be talking to you about that kind of stuff. So that being the case, let me ask you guys a question. Let me ask you guys a question. How many of you all feel like that you have a pretty good understanding or handle on doctrine? How many of you all feel like you got a pretty good understanding or handling handle on on doctrine on teaching?  I'm not I'm not a scholar, but I'm I'm I'm pretty good. Chess Champ says slow the slow the chats again. How many of you all feel like you have a pretty good hanging handle handle on doctrine?  But if you think I'm okay, I'm I always say I'm all right. I'm all right. I'm pretty good. Okay. Good. Got to send decent free. I think so. Fine. Can I ask you guys a question? Matter of fact, let me ask my almost need to be bald head brother Alton Johnson. Johnson feel the Alton feel like he's pretty good with doctrine. How long did it take you guys to get that way? How long did it take you guys to get to be sound in your approach like that? Soon as I read the Bible, me the words and Holy Spirit bam, I came out the womb speaking Hebrew and Greek. Even air make all of that. I came out the womb like that. Well, no, you didn't. It took some time.  How many times did someone have to give you the gospel for it to get to your gigantically thick head? For me, a long time. For a long matter of fact, I used to pick on the Christians. I used to talk trash about it. Own up to calling. Bambi, I only said own up to calling him a heretic, explain. Hold on, let me move this. Explain what the word means and tell him why. First of all, I owned up. I said, matter of fact, I said, how many times did I call your heretic? Mark it about 20, 30 times? 40 times? A whole bunch.  A whole bunch of times. Now, how long would it take me to get me to change markers on everything? That wasn't really the point. But hold your questions, guys. Hold your points, guys, because I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you to defend your stance. I'm going to have to ask you guys to defend your stance in just a little bit. Because, by the way, it's not I'm not defending me. I promise you. I could have done well with just bringing him on and just trashing him. And wow, look at that. There we go. Meanwhile, yes, who is it? It's God. Let me talk to you for a second. We'll get to that in just a second, ladies and gentlemen, because it may be, again, I ask this question because at one point in time, some of you guys thought that Cory knows his stuff pretty good. Cory's all right with the Bible, but then all of a sudden, Cory lost it. Cory just went and one day just lost it. I want to see how many of us actually are listening. That's important. Because I'm wondering if you guys caught something. Matter of fact, I know you guys didn't or many of you guys didn't because something was said in the video yesterday and nobody in the chat said I saw caught it. But let's continue. Let's see.  Hold on. Let me find this. I got to keep all these extra. He asked. He wanted to have a conversation. He said, bro, bro, I'm super disappointed in this your assessment and response, which is a serious discernment issue. So now I have no discernment, which is fine, which is fine, which is fine. So later on, let's drop to these. Last I'll say that it seems that your change of heart towards Marcus as a believer and brother sounds emotionally driven. Did I sound emotional yesterday? Maybe I did. Maybe I did. Not not driven. Not. Look what he says. Not biblically driven. Be careful. Your feelings are clouding your judgment. Now, before that, he says, rather than a private phone conversation, which he has my number, let me know if you are willing to publicly discuss why I disagree with your assessment, especially since you are my brother in Christ and what you say affects many of our other brothers and sisters. So my response was, tell me when you'd like to. I'm more than happy to pick a day of the time. I just saw this part other than Tuesday or the weekend. Alrighty. I will call him and see if he wants to go maybe on Monday. We'll do maybe Monday. Now, I want you to notice a response though. It seems that my response was emotionally driven, not biblically driven. Maybe you are picking up on what I'm putting down. Let's see what some other some other comments. By the way, go through the comments yourself and look at the ones that disagree and you're going to notice something. Maybe, by the way, have you guys noticed anything just yet? Have you guys noticed anything just yet? I'm hoping you did. I'm hoping you did. I'm hoping you did. This was, this was this was, this was the concern. This was the concerning part. What did you say, Brad? You said, Cory could be wrong, but I think wisdom will prove right in the biochannel. I could totally be wrong. Marcus could be just lying and not really interested in anything he could. What is that going to hurt? That's not going to hurt me. It's not going to affect me one way or the other. I'm not bothered by someone so-called fooling me. I don't know if he is or is. I don't. I can't say that Marcus is not fooling me. There you go, C.G. C.G. picked it up. When you go through these passages, when you go, by the way, by the way, can y'all just tell Dutch he missed the whole live stream? Dutch, Dutch missed the live stream. They'll go on it. But when you go through this, something that you guys are going to notice, not one, not one time, thank you, C.G., not one time did any of those people who disagree give me a scripture for why they disagree shame on you people.  You never gave the scriptures. Why was I wrong, but no scripture? Why? Now, Brian says, why would you give these people, he says my fault, why would you give these people the time of day? Because I have, I have a teacher's heart or a pastor's heart. I want people to grow in this. Even those that disagree, that's why most times I give a response, most of the times is towards someone who disagrees with me. That's why. That's why, so most cases, I will respond to those that disagree with me because I could be wrong. If I'm right, then I would love for them to see why I'm right, my whole, where I'm going with this. That's all. That's all. So I've got, there's some issues that we need to deal with. First of all, I can ask you guys a question. How many of y'all had a problem with me calling Marcus or saying I will treat him like a brother? Some folks, oh, by the way, let me say this. Sheila, I don't have your email. I sent an email to every moderator, except you. I don't, I don't know why I don't have your email. Maybe my email's messed up. So anyway, send me your email. But how many of y'all had a problem with me saying that I will treat Marcus Rogers like a brother? How many of y'all had, and be honest, that's fine. Previously, I would have, previously, I would have. And I like that, victoriously, to whom much is given, much is required. What am I required to give? What am I required to do? What am I required? Oh, don't, listen, Dianna, I got that. We're gonna, we're gonna come over that and we're gonna, let me put it what she just said. A majority of the chats are people typing from a high pedestal they built for themselves. A major observation I made in the four years I've been minor. Yes. Yes. Yes. But I'm gonna cover that, dear sister. I am going to cover that. Gospel on the streets, you previously called Marcus a heretic. Okay, guys. Okay. And maybe, maybe you didn't, maybe you didn't hear it yesterday. I called my heretic a ton of times. I called him fall. I've called him all sorts of things. One, he and I are cool with that. We've talked about that. Two, I said, you know what? If I said anything out of turn, I apologize. I do not apologize for my biblical stance. Now, that being the case, you all don't have to remind me or anyone else that I did that. I'm saying I did. I'm not denied. I've never denied that. Never denied that. But is there a problem with me saying that I will treat him like a brother? Is there? It could possibly be a problem. So what did I do with Marcus? Well, first of all, I had to figure out and so you all tell me, let's let's put on the screen. We got time. What is required for a person to be treated as a brother? I didn't deny it yesterday. No, I didn't. I did not. I didn't. I just, I just sat and watched the whole video at no point did I deny calling Marcus a heritage. Now at no point did I deny calling Marcus a heritage at no point. Now, so no, stay off of that. Stay off of it. You used to call me. You wouldn't. Can we move past that? Please. So now, and if I misspoke, sorry, but even in our conversations prior to us coming on, Marcus not talked about what I said to him, what I called him, what I called him, and so forth. So here's my question. What is required for a person to be a brother? What is required for a sister to be a sister in Christ? What's required? What's required? You said, please stop. Please start. Please tell me what's required. And by the way, I may actually, I may actually lose some people. Okay. But I'll lose you with the scriptures. I will lose you all if you say, Cory, I'm through with you. Fine. One guy said, Cory, one guy who used to be here, I just saw his comments and he said, Cory is anti-intellectual. One guy said, I'm unsubscribing. Okay. So tell me guys, what is required for someone to be a Christian? First, you must place your faith in Christ, believing that you are worthless, horrible. You have must have a do it with a repentant heart, believing that Christ, his death on the cross is what was needed to atone for your sins, and that it did. That's, that's one issue, one aspect. But it's what you're placing your faith in. The fact that this is God, that Jesus is the Lord, who is God, who dies for your sins. And you are more, brother, I am more than happy to have a conversation with you. As a matter of fact, I'll speed up what I'm going to do so I can make time in case you want to, not in a crazy fashion because there's a point that I'm trying to make. So if you'd like to have this conversation and I would ask that we would do so with scriptures because none of you guys that had a problem gave a scripture. So I'll give you guys time to kind of get your scriptures together and so forth so you can tell me why biblically I was wrong.  Marcus we got some issues we got to deal, we got to button up some things. I've heard you say this I heard you say that so it might be that maybe you might believe something but may not know how to actually articulate those things. So I asked him those questions about what he feels about Jesus. He told me. Now as he starts trying to explain something hold on Marcus maybe the issue is made so as Corey maybe this is a sign from God showing you that you are getting off the path. Hey can I ask you a question victoriously? Look around you and see how many folks in the chat disagree with you. Look around you on the comments and look how you are grossly outnumbered. I understand you guys disagree but if I had any sort of confidence from you before grant me that did I all of a sudden lose your respect all of a sudden? By the way how many of you guys have actually spent time in the trenches with people who were just no good or had messed up or what have you said some dumb stuff or whatever trying to restore the person bring that person. I'm coming to that in a second but Marcus said this is what I believe what he said about a salvation was the same I wasn't what he said was the same thing that many of you all agree with now was he genuine was Marcus true? I have no idea I said Marcus I don't know if you tell me truth or not I have no I did I have no idea so what I will do is I will treat you like a brother what does that mean? What that means that I now will treat myself and you as though I have access to you and now I've got your phone number I've got your email I can take hey let me ask you a question explain this explain that what happens what happens what happens if Marcus says if Marcus continues on a certain path and does this is well guess what I'll call it out made that clear matter of fact made that clear with other folks I'm not going to stop calling stuff out again what Corey was begotting first now now Marcus writers I will shut the channel down if you can tell me what thing what doctrine I've changed on in the last week or two or three what what have I changed nothing nothing but I'm gonna go somewhere with this see I am not a person that is all that interested in it y'all've heard me say this before don't be the circus I'm sorry don't be the circus for a clown I don't I don't want a clown show I don't want a circus show I don't I don't want a whole because the conversations that I have offline are different than what I had before you there's a reason why I put it before you there's a reason why the overwhelming majority of people thought that this was productive and it was only intended to be a first step it was like hey guess what y'all everybody's healed everybody's changed no actually he's not actually uh somebody that was the issue I had before two castes said that he's friends with um with love he's not friends with love anymore he is uh now and and sometimes I think Marcus is as he said he's growing in some things I think he's growing in some things but do you remember this conversation okay this is where you get your information from Cory I just googled it while you was running your mouth that's why I was so quiet okay this white man is where you get your information from I understand that you're totally flawed for one you went to a white man to uh talk about uh the original the original people on his planet so what did I do I you know what I was so disgusted with that I kicked him off I kicked him off and then I you know what we're gonna we're gonna button this up we're gonna fix this we're not gonna do that again we're not going to do that again okay not gonna do that again now I ended up going on another platform with him and I was cordial with him when I got to that platform someone had me on and it was five or six of those guys that had one belief and against me and I was cordial I was not I'm not gonna I'm never gonna get into the the name calling and the insulting on on like the personal level if I the name calling will be something biblical like a false teacher a heretic though I'll do that if I think it fits if you show me a doesn't fit or I might want to pull back oh I have listen I have no problems that you know what I may have misdiagnosed this you maybe he's not a false see and I said before all false teaching doesn't make you a false teacher all heresy doesn't make you a heretic it is and we've covered this before the intentionality behind it matters the heart matters the the consistency matters especially when there are the the warnings so now I don't want that to happen and I've seen what I would call clown shows and other places I think though I think I could be wrong chess chris arsenal dining you guys y'all tell me if I was wrong y'all y'all y'all tell me because I keep people saying people saying that you should you should have this conversation in private you might want to stop saying that I should have had this conversation in private can I why why should I've had this conversation in private well whatever the reason was Rick and Alton that they might say that I should have had this conversation in private do you know what everyone who said that I should have had this conversation in private actually did watched it didn't they if I should have it in in private why did you watch it what was your reason your rationale for watching it I think for some people not everybody not for everybody but for some people some people watched it because they wanted to see a clown show they wanted to see something like this in the tenac there are messianic problems which is why they're still waiting on their messiah ooh just shut up shut up shut up listen little girl repeat what I said shut up little boy listen little girl repeat what I said shut up calm down calm down repeat what I said go hold on Bryson so what I'm trying to understand from you is that you're saying you're saying prove that this is about Jesus without the new testament no no that's what I said that little clown let me try let me try this point let me try this point to see you I'm working girl get to the point let me try this point to see you Avery now that's not what I want that's not what I want let me address this chipper flower that's a that's a that's a nice little youtube name though Cory what is the point of making false teacher videos if you're going to side with false teachers I will shut and my wife hates when I say this but let me say this because I'm just I need to when did I side with him I'll shut it down if I sided with any of them when did I side with Marcus when did I side with Pagani when did I side with anyone whose teachers I disagree with when did I side with anybody's when you guys came on and wanted like y'all wanted to see something you know what you guys signed up to see you know what you guys really came to see yesterday not all of you but you know what some of you guys signed up to see Rick Caldwell are you still in the chat are you still in the chat Rick Dinah I know I see Dinah there guys do you chest do you know what they signed up to see this is what they were hoping to see like I said you a coward like I said you a coward yes or no you a coward and you a download homosexual answer the question you mad why you mad answer the question because you're not being a man I came on this camera and you won't man up be a man I just answered coward you a coward but I'm not a wife you don't the homie spirit is watching right now but I'm not a wife you don't why are you why are you obsessed with me after you wake up in the morning my name got to be on your mouth you need deliverance that's what made me think you a homosexual Satan is the accuser of the brethren you know why you talk about the past because you ain't got nothing in the present you a coward bro hey listen listen Marcus after you said all of that it don't change the fact of who you are you're a false teacher you're a pimp shut up shut up we ain't about to do that we ain't about to do that now I'm about to kick your life be scared behind all now what did that what did that accomplish so I'm gonna say of course but I thought you were going to address the the heresy now we covered a couple of things we covered a couple of things but you guys can't say you should have done it in private but then you should have covered this well some things again and I'm not being angry I said please don't remind me that foolishness that was complete that was that was just garbage that that that whole show was a fiasco that was the reason why the by the way ladies and gentlemen why a lot of folks left dealing with that person because of that foolishness and I didn't want that so what happens if you bring someone on and you're gonna point out let me ask you a question Bambi I'm gonna assume that what you said that out of genuine concern what happens if I were to bring you on Bambi or anyone else and I run down a list of everything that you got wrong that I think you got wrong ladies and gentlemen y'all help me out what what would happen if I run down a list of everything that I think you got wrong what what would you do what would you do I think I think it's a very good question what would you do you brother said I should have had us in private or your folks like this what would you do if I run down everything that you that I think you got wrong what would you know what you would do you pull up your defenses you shoot back you spot it would be hard for you to take what I'm saying exactly Josh would you get defensive if I said hey you guys disagree with me you suck as Christians what what's your what's your natural inclination you told huh that's not there are people matter of fact I was talking one of them today matter of fact there's one in the chats there are some people that know me from from from prison by the way can I can I put something up Gino are you still in the chats Gino let me I need to know before I put this up I want to I want to put I want to put something up but I want to see if Gino is still in chats and see if Gino if he record if he remembers this I'm pretty sure he will how many of you guys know what this is how many how many you all have any idea or any clue as to what this is Gino type fast and tell us what that is I know I know you know what it is I know you know what this is Gino so ladies and gentlemen you're never going well hopefully hopefully you're never going to see this I hope you don't what that was was the national menu what's the national menu Corey well you should never find out the national menu is the menu in in prison you go and see hey what do we have for child today what's what's for breakfast what's for lunch what's for dinner that it's it's regimented now we don't we don't get uh ramen noodles but that was a national menu for the Bureau of Prisons why am I showing that what does that have to do with any of this nice car let me find out you don't want to find out something I noticed something I noticed you ever in this conversation before anything about your character you don't know I don't care about the music industry I'm talking about meeting you Marcus do you want to pray first because you're very emotional right now bro you're the kettle calling the pot black bro you talk you talk about how much I own it that's the difference between me and me I own it so Marcus as I told him and I said what came on a little bit high of strung no chicken is on Thursdays Kenny you're not yet been in federal prison something chicken is on Thursdays Friday's is fish Wednesday's hamburger Tuesday is used some sort of maybe international deal maybe some sort of chicken parmesan or some sort of Chinese dish they try to make up and it's never all make good so although some spice are better than others but the reason why something I noticed and again Marcus reached out to me and we had a conversation I think it's a it was a mature conversation someone says you're deflecting deflecting from what what am I deflecting from I'm talking about you guys Marcus said something and I want to I'm gonna play a clip now I'm sure you all saw it but as I went through the chats nobody responded in the chats nobody responded in the chats and we're gonna go to the scriptures but nobody responded in the chats when he said this it's not that I'm just trying to like be like some kind of rebel or anything but I've been around so many different types of church people I think that if people saw the messages and the inboxes and the things that I've seen happen behind the scenes of Christianity like with the people who have the right terminology and the lies and the just the fake stuff going on I think they would they would give me a little more grace and you know one thing that you said that is definitely true and I've been praying about this is I need healing you know and I've been I've been praying about that constantly I've been rejected my whole life I've been rejected in church it it did hurt me you know I'm saying like think about it think about it from this perspective if I really do love the Lord right if I really really do and I'm really trying to the best of my ability and and people are just coming and trying to discredit and disqualify I'm still human you know I'm saying like I want the brotherhood I want us to come together so what does that have to do with everything that I'm saying with that video clip with the national menu and everything else at some point in time you've got to realize that not only do you matter does your soul matter but so does Marcus's so all the guys that we call out and we say that this person is this this and this they still matter to God and the reason why I brought that national menu up is because I know what it's like being in prison and being around folks that just messed up and say dumb stuff and do dumb stuff you can be saved and stupid treat that you can be saved and stupid I know what it's like to be around that stuff I know what it's like to need some grace need some mercy to help me help me get past my mistakes if somebody to walk with me maybe what my my head issue maybe it was my heart issue maybe it was my action you guys some of you guys shame on you and I mean that I'm not I'm not doing for for some sort of a sake but shame on you if that meant I don't know what to be true don't know what to be true or not I have to take it as true until he shows me different but if that man if that man wants a brother to walk with him and you say no something wrong with you I'm gonna put the matter of fact let me go ahead and do this I'm gonna go ahead and put the put the link out because I want you to come on here and tell me where I'm wrong I want you to come over here and be the ultimate Christian and say no don't show me love let me pull up with Paul says let's let's pull up with Paul says Paul says and this might be this might be to the brother in 2nd Corinthians I mean 1st Corinthians 5 you know the brother we're not sure but maybe the brother in 1st Corinthians 5 you know who Paul says put that brother out it might be we're not sure but what Paul says he says but if any has caused I'm sorry I got to put on the screen uh-oh dog on I have to connect this hold on one second I don't have my my my my deal connect hold on one second I'll rant man I'll put you on a second but let me let me put this where's my past is right here I'm sorry I don't I don't have my my deal set let me do this real really really quickly and drop down it's not connecting all right there we go that should do it so let's read what Paul says Paul says if any has caused sorrow he has caused sorrow not to me but in some degree in order not to say too much to all of you sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him for this for to this and I also wrote so that I might put you put you to the test whether you are obedient all things sometimes it ain't about Marcus Rogers sometimes it ain't about the Demons layers sometimes it ain't about Michael Brown or anybody else sometimes it ain't about the heritage maybe sometimes it's about you maybe sometimes you have you you know some things you describe as a thing but you you don't know how to show love in the first maybe that's what it is yeah but of course you've got to you've got to keep that same energy shut up and I mean I meant that too I hope it hurts you I hope if it bothers you and you and you suddenly find because if me telling you shut up was what you want me to tell Marcus is what you want me to tell Marcus you don't want me to show love to a brother that sticks his hand out he reached out to me and you say you know what I'll say it harder shut up shut up and shut up some more and when you finish it up shut up again you have no reason no basis to talk if you cannot show love to somebody who at least comes out and says hey I'm here to talk to you brother you won't do it you won't do it so what that means is you show uselessness for the kingdom you show uselessness for the kingdom and you can't be used there's no way God can use a person who don't want to show love to somebody else let me go to something and I mentioned this yesterday this isn't you brother if any one of you is caught in a trespass if any one of you is caught in a trespass not necessarily a sin but even just a sinful way a way of thinking if that's you anyone like that you know you who are spiritual you know the word that we talking about numitikon there's that word those who have spiritual things those that are full of the spirit he says that if that's you restore such a one how it is with the spirit of gentleness each one looking to yourself so that you too will not be tempted not thinking that you are all that to first place the reason why you show love and the reason why you want to show mercy is because you received it yourself I didn't backpedal on any doctrinal issues matter of fact we had a long conversation about tongues how did Mark let me ask you guys a question and I'm going to bring my guests on how many of you noticed Marcus when we were having the conversation about tongues did it seem like Marcus may have heard some things that maybe he didn't consider before maybe some wheels were spinning was thinking huh but he wouldn't have heard that before if I'm coming at him I hope what I just said that you bothered you even if you unsubscribe and never follow if you make a video fine fine fine you still won't give me a scripture for where I was wrong because there is none there is none did did my question before I bring these gentlemen on did did anyone in the bible ever reach out to someone who they thought was a brother only to find out that he wasn't a brother let me let me and I'm coming to you guys in a second but did anyone in the bible you know a paul or peter anyone ever reach out to a brother who was not a brother but they treated him like a brother just let your wheels in your head spin think about it for a second did it ever happen where a nonbeliever in the bible was treated like a like a brother can y'all think of can y'all think of any time even by folks that had discernment and had the holy spirit can you think of one time maybe two times maybe three times does anybody know of somebody in the bible that was not a real brother but was treated like one got the benefit of it Judas is one and Jesus knew are there any others are there any others oh how about Alexander how about Alexander how about him and they is how about there are people in the bible that were treated like they were given the benefit of the doubt not not by us so what I'm gonna do is let me go ahead and fix this so I can bring these guys on and what I want to do is I'm gonna bring you guys on let's see if I can do this at the same time just for the for the sake of expediency I'll put one in between each of us how about that I've got rant man Sam as one and I've got Brian as the other someone else popped on and then left off gentlemen how are you all how are you all doing pretty good Cory how you doing I'm pretty good Brian can you hear me yes yes okay okay either one of y'all go first tell me tell me where I'm right tell me where I'm wrong well if you don't mind me Brian I just want to throw this out there first of all people who are who are like speaking against Cory on this whole subject need to understand that Marcus reached out to Cory and we need to understand the reason why that happened I believe and I'm sure Cory will agree and so will Brian if he's if he's in the greens that the Holy Spirit was at work here all right whether Marcus is a believer or not what are we we're chosen so the Lord has probably may have chosen Marcus because I've seen and even Cory just put up examples of how Marcus handles you know being rebuked and when Cory rebuked him he treated Cory with respect and what is this what does the word say guys we got to reprove with what great patience correct correct so I feel like Marcus was he's a young brother and he's also maybe a young brother in Christ I'm not sure but at the same time was a man and he came forward to be corrected and he was corrected and he's I watched the whole thing from the beginning whole time was Marcus disrespectful and he was open-minded to be in a sense and he and he took it like a man that's all I have to say yeah thank you everybody hit that oh by the way I get my email about MLK I did I did what happened was let me just say this real quick I saw people I had did videos about it so I'm gonna do it in I wanted those videos kind of get there run and then I will I'll come back and and cover it Peter's and Virgin Walker did one and it was powerful man yeah I put it in the link I don't know if you caught it yeah Walter Walter Jones did one as well and someone else did so I said let me let those run and then I'll come back after next week after Easter week and Cory God bless you my brother more brothers stick stick together stick together brother Brian is still there you look like you froze up on us I think Brian froze up so what I'll do is I'll I'll I'll move Brian Brian if you can give me a holler back right man Sam appreciate you so much brother let me go ahead and go let me go ahead and and finish just if anyone else wants to come on about appreciate what you said brother hey man you guys take care God bless and I think I think that's the issue though guys here comes Brian again I think that's the real issue and that is if a brother reaches out to you then what what do you not do you let them go so go ahead Brian I'm sorry I I just I want to commend you man and God like like um Marcus was calling I I've seen I've I've I've seen so much um maturity in in conversation and uh I disagreed with Marcus from from day one and to hear to hear him come to you with humility and the way he's he's calling you sir and all of that and just to get all of that flack now from the people in the comments who's calling them heretic and you agree with heretic I I I don't I don't see that at all I don't see that at all I saw you trying help that brother man trying to trying to bring that brother along you was trying to do your due due diligence as a believer a believer and help somebody along in knowing the true gospel of Jesus Christ that's plain and simple plain and simple and if if if someone who's been rescued from the depths of sin as a a a a believer that calls himself a brother assistant in the Lord don't see that then I mean what what what we believe in on Jesus for to save people to save people from sin yeah I thank you for that I appreciate that brother man I thank you for that I thank you for not not not the usual not the usual back and forth like that clip you just showed with um the brothers arguing you you had to last so so so so wonderful thank you I appreciate it someone I have before I let you go are you from the Bronx don't think you hear me oh no Helen I I lived in I lived and grew up in Brooklyn all my life man in fact I I did 25 years man 25 years in prison I got out 2017 amen amen well I'm I'm gonna let you go and me and my wife love your soul man I'm gonna let you go but I'm gonna say something that that that I know is gonna resonate with you but guys and I'm gonna go ahead and bring in Scorch Scorch Earth 824 and bring him on as well but I'm gonna say something to that he'll recognize and I'll I'll talk with Sean and Scorch Earth but especially some of you older guys y'all know this too y'all see this on the streets and don't realize how this stuff can be fixed right in prison and it's kind of crazy you got you got the folks that have the least amount of respect that they've shown but in prison do you know how you keep some of these young these young bucks kind of under control the same way that you do with a wild elephant a young bull elephant what do they do they bring one of the older elephants in because these young elements just kind of run around tear up the place they bring an older elephant in or like in prison they bring an older older man in say come here let me talk to you and they don't talk to him ladies and gentlemen they don't talk to him in public recognize that he is not going to listen in public he's he's not going to and I don't think that some of these guys actually understand what it means to mentor and to bring a brother along you're gonna embarrass him in public he's gonna he's gonna deal with you like that but if you put him inside let me talk to you for a second brother and they and they they end up acquiescing they they do well they do what that's that's how it's done I think we forget that sometimes as as brothers in Christ go ahead let me bring matter of fact let me bring in Brad as well so we got four of us here I've never you know I've had four at one time okay wait a second wait a second it's true to talk okay so go ahead whichever I want to go to first I do let's try and go ahead yeah I first of all I'm so happy to be on here with you guys I watch often I comment sometimes well I comment a lot on the broadcast but um first of all I want to say that the conversation yesterday was it was it was it was helpful I really enjoyed the dialogue that you had with the young man Corey but my problem with the whole with the whole discussion was the mission and the purpose I don't know but the mission and the purpose seemingly of this ministry is to correct those who have veered away from biblical orthodoxy if you will those who and I'm going to use a word that you've used often Corey and have used in reference to Marcus Rogers in combating heresy and defending the faith and and the problem that the issue that I have is that none of that seem to really occur Marcus Rogers is is wrong on a myriad of issues oh your volume went dead what's wrong with your volume so how many volume is yes it says you you've muted yourself but let me say this though because I and maybe that that's that's my fault if someone thinks that the goal of this channel is to correct bad doctrine it's not that's not the goal of this channel the goal of this channel it's it's in when that little red thing pops up where it says love it learn it live it to love the bible so much that you want to learn it and then live it that necessarily means in doing what's proactive and also dealing with the reactive stuff the proactive stuff is growing sharing the gospel the reactive stuff is dealing with false teachers and false teachings calling that out it's a balance it's just like if you go to work out you go to you want to have a healthy life you want to work out and eat right and so forth and then you'll also deal with not eating proper or improperly eating ice cream and cookies at midnight so we'll talk about ice cream and cookies and and and and and and honey buns and so forth at night but the main thing we're going to talk about is the eating and health that's why 85 at least 85 percent of the of the videos on the channel are about teaching they're not about calling out the other people and so it's my mistake my fault that if I've given that impression but that's not that's not the case and so the point for yesterday was to show hey here's a brother that's one and a half some dialogue and oh by the way as I don't know if anyone caught this but this shows I said this in the in the deal yesterday it it causes us me as well as Marcus to now be accountable what Marcus now also has to deal with is he's got to say wait a second I went here we were talking this or whatever now if he goes back to or he goes what have you that's on him nothing nothing here is going to change but right if he messes up or if he does something or if he whatever at the back offset the little back and forth and so forth that you have with folks and leave that alone one year you're you're you're supposed to be a pastor now can I say hey hey Marcus stop being a pastor today drop every is he going to do that nope so what I can do is all right brother let's talk what's happening with here look what's going on here now now now I've got his attention and he's got mine because how many people let's say on the issue of tons how many people are talking to him and going back and forth with him on this issue of tongues on a weekly basis like we did yesterday there were some things that he said that he couldn't get away from like such as everybody that got saved spoke in tongues and knew that no they didn't that's not even I ran down in the scriptures what can he come back and say so these are the kind of discussions that that you have and they're needed so I'm not and and and as Dinah said you know time ultimately will tell if all of this works out but that's not a that's not an issue for us we don't throw out the gospel put the gospel out thinking that everybody's going to get saved and everybody's going to listen and if they don't then our fault no it's not our fault or the gospel is it Jesus's fault that Judas and Judas poor I mean Jesus is poor to Judas no so we do what we do all we can do is all we can do all I can do with Marcus is all I can do and how how awesome would it be if we see and I told Marcus is my prayer is for Marcus to be the greatest Marcus rising never be someone being used for Lord and to be known as an exegete as a scholar what if what if Marcus is known for that in 10 years who wins the kingdom amen so that's that's the point of the way to also bring in bring in arsenal as well with you guys as well I'm going to put the wrong button there it is there it is we're going to have a full house did you finish up Sean yeah I'm done okay okay scorched earth go ahead my brother hey how y'all brothers doing Corey I'm much I'm gonna have to give you some some a big fist pound man because uh you you was able to accomplish something that I haven't seen nobody on these you two spaces was able to accomplish Marcus Rogers to actually have a civil dialogue which I've chosen up there trying to tear each other's neck off if I'm not mistaken isn't that the way isn't that how we supposed to handle conflict among brothers we're supposed to whether we but whether we believe that they whether we believe that they really not I think that's the problem with these especially within these you two streets we we're real big about throwing these throwing these big rocks out here talking about what it is that rocket Marcus is and what he's not I have my issues with him I was I was I've been I noticed him years ago doing a Trump era and I turned myself off from him because he kept saying God this God this God show me this I'm like okay I already know you you you you go but at the end of the day how many of us are going into these church houses and we holding our preachers to the same accountability that we want to hold Corey brother Corey and brother Marcus too let's be real about it we have allowed our wheels to right there in the church in no damn well to have these preachers is fake is all get out but we'll go there and sit up there and pay our tides to him every week every week look look look at what's going on I have yet wants to hear anybody sit up there and take Pastor T.D. Jakes to task about his indiscretcies yeah well you know we need to really check ourselves as brothers and really check and see if we really are who we say we are because we Corey is the only one that I've seen so far that actually is living what it is that he's talking especially on these YouTube channels we got a whole lot of mouth to talk about what it is Corey one thing that God showed me yesterday well I hate that word one thing that that that that I saw you good yeah yeah what thing that I saw what I saw with this yesterday heck hell Corey before you hung up before y'all got off even the unction got on there was like whoa hold up I gotta consider brother Marcus said brother now he got on here with Corey that shows you how much respect the honor people have for you but here's what I saw you gain an accountability partner man now every time Marcus sit out there and he go out there and say something that he knows that may be questionable you're the one person that he'll probably come to and talk to and take take uh correction from more than anybody because you gave him a safe you gave him a safe place to be able to come and be able to unleash and really unload and say hey man this is what I'm going through I know I filed up I know I may have started this I got caught up into this thing and became a pastor when I wasn't I wasn't even ready for that you know what I'm saying yeah we we sit up here man we we artists artists I disagree with this I disagree with that you wasn't the one up there talking to him shut up I'm like Corey now shut the hell up and I'm gonna put hell in it shut up shut the hell up because see hey we got I'm just being honest man I'm about tired of artists with all this bickering that we got going on within the body of Christ this is why we're struggling the way we are as a body because we got too much bickering too much division I mean I'm reminded the question you you all listen I'm not sure scores earth and arsenal y'all look like y'all you know y'all got some years on you so maybe y'all did maybe I'm so you did maybe maybe a brand did you all any y'all play sports yeah yeah been alone a long time a long time time to go for me I matter of fact I went to college to play ball at Texas Tech and I'll never forget this coach asked me the dumbest question I mean it was literally the dumbest question I did something and he had the audacity asked me why did you do that what do you mean why do I do that he said you realize we got a purpose to what we're doing here you ain't just out here running around like I was a wide receiver you're not just out of just running around like like just just for no reason there's a purpose to you running this route there's a whole there's a purpose and you and I ain't gonna say how he said it but you you're you're messing it up he didn't say mess up but you're messing it up because you act like what you're doing is just for you it's for a whole team if you run your route the right way you step on that defensive backs toes and the play is maybe going to the receiver on the other side that safety is gonna get pulled over because you did your job if he doesn't and the cornerback backs off now you're open the whole team there's a reason why we do we do so calling somebody out or pointing out bad doctrine that's not the that's just you running there's a reason why you're why you're doing it there's got to be something after that somebody said she said Corey if Corey is right then why is he defending himself but I'm not defending myself I'm trying to show you guys why you because see let me play this again some of you guys think that when I play this video this is only for the false teachers you can be aimed and stupid treat that you can be saved and that's classic so so that came be us huh that that that that can't be us huh that that that that's you too that's you we all can we all are saved and are stupid oftentimes that that applies to all of us and so yeah it it's high time that we don't just sit and say hey this guy is wrong and what if he says okay you're right I am wrong now what and you don't have a plan what do you do if because some of you guys might pass out tracks and then Lord help you at the person who you pass a track out to say well what should I do and you don't know what to say you don't know Cory I think the I think the problem is what a lot of us we think we got a heaven and hell to send a lot of these people to yeah and we ain't got we enter and at the end of the day I'm reminded of a couple of scriptures what did Jesus tell the disciples when they came running in him talking about somebody there's others out there that's that's that's preaching in your name and all that should we stop and he's what did he say if he said hey yeah there go one what about the shoot you just made me lose the other thought of other question that I had oh Satan is not going to do Satan is not going to stand to get some self right now you can say what you want about that brother I have like I said I have my issues with him I don't follow him but one thing that I do know every time he finishes I one of his videos or whatever if you not hey go study this stuff for yourself to make sure that I'm for real that I'm correct and what it is I'm saying I don't see too many I mean maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm looking at it wrong it's just and when we sit up here you know I mean it yeah and that's the thing I like I said you got some of them out there man if they sit up there you got a couple of them you can't have no discussion with them because they think they'll all be off they think man they're shooting over there that's what that's the first thing I thought look look listen hold up wait a second I'm falling away I'm saying listen everybody everybody black thought they shoot all these colors from on this channel everybody look even the chat they thought what is it is that you are something the bottom one hey yeah I'm at work man I'm at my factory so if y'all heard some bagging and popping is I'm at my I'm at work right now I just had to get in on this conversation real quick so let me let me kind of step away maybe step away because yeah Sean and and Scorser let me let me let me let you guys go so I can so I can bring these other guys all right one peace out bro talk to you guys peace out gentlemen all right let me also bring Damon in here there we go okay can I try real quick who's up next our snow or a brand yeah if I can go ahead bro it's not gonna be long I just want to shout you out for taking just making yourself even that available you know just putting that out there I feel like what markets because I feel like what you did for him I don't know where that went that I feel like what you did for him a lot of people haven't corrected while also you know being inviting to have a conversation offline and I feel like the way you carry yourself with your channel and how thorough you are with the bible especially you know just you know me as a young black man I think that opened up an opportunity for someone like Marcus to come to you because one thing he could not deny is that you are a man of God and that you carry yourself with honor and very thorough and it's scripture based and you make all of your whether it's a categorization of someone being a heretic or heresy it's all bible strictly scripture not about personality and I think that opened up a door and I think a lot of people have taken a wrong approach with Marcus and I wanted to play a little bit of devil's advocate with it because I know you wanted a case to be made that you did whether or not what was wrong about your approach and I think there were some comments that I was a little more empathetic to because I came from a oneness background left that ministry I was an associate pastor of a oneness church came to the light because of people like you and other people on scripture not even necessarily you talking about the trinity but just getting sound doctrine and how to read the scriptures helped me to come to light and I left that organization because of that because I saw you know the truth of the scriptures and in various other areas tongues all that stuff so a lot of the stuff I came out of but I think people that came from an apostolic or oneness teaching and understanding of the Godhead I think those people that gave you pushback were saying it from the standpoint of like oneness people will say that fathers and holy spirit are distinct but how they understand distinction is completely different than like people that believe in the trinity now I understand your greater point is there are people that call themselves trinitarian that don't understand the trinity or can't explain it if you were to ask them to that well but I think some of the things that Marcus was agreeing to I think oneness people can make those same agreements and mean a completely different thing so that might on that front I can understand and from my own personal experience like there were things that I would say yes to all those things and I still wasn't going to change my oneness view because I could agree to those things in a way to satisfy it so I think that's why some people thought he was telling you giving you answers that needed more nuance and I understand time may not have allowed for you to like dig as deep on that but I think that that issue is the biggest issue a lot of people have with him I think people can almost reconcile his tongue's view because there's a lot of charismatic people you know a lot of charismatic Christians but I think that issue among several others but that one is like the paramount one that I think a lot of people really struggle within them and they feel like he hasn't that's the one that people really want him to get right and I think so they really wanted you to pry more into that with like helping them to understand a difference in saying they're what does he mean by a distinction and maybe that happened when you talk to him privately but I think in that particular instance that's what people cared about a lot and not getting as much as they would have liked out of that I think I think they would have preferred that over the tones if I'm honest but that's just that was my takeaway and that was probably my only like devil's advocate thing I want to put out there I want to kind of hear your thoughts on that yeah well and you're right matter of fact the chats when when Ruslan was talking to him when they had that little back and forth yeah one one of the things that Ruslan said I don't know what to believe because you know you say it this way or say it that way whatever and I said the same thing to him sometimes you say something and then you explain this way it's like wasting I'm scratching my head even more so and so I said as a pastor and as a really as a Christian we have to be able to articulate what we're saying either right or wrong even if you're wrong somebody can take that and say you know what here's why I think you're wrong but I don't know I don't have enough to say okay he's so wrong or he's so confused or he's so this that that he can't be saved because again we're preaching the gospel to our children and to our teenagers and when they when we believe they place their faith in Christ now go back and put a mic in their face or ask them to explain it and they can't they can't matter fact and to ask you one better I wasn't even taught the trinity growing up and I was in a trinitarian church so I didn't start hearing about the trinity until I went to a church yeah so sometimes again I've said how many of you have heard me say this I said you're not saved by what you know you're saved by who you know that's why it's important to know that Jesus is God that's the one part about the deity that the bible says it's a must for salvation understanding fully how the Holy Spirit works or how the trinity works that's hard that if we are if it was a must that we had to understand it perfectly it'd be hard to be saved because that it's a it's a concept that's so foreign to us it's trying to get me to understand molecular biology yo you know what shoot me because I I have a better chance of surviving the bullet than understanding that or uh some sort of quantum physics again shoot me again because I don't I don't get that and so for some people that's how trying to make sense but here's what I do know when you if you get to the point matter of fact matter of fact me and Brian me and Chess had to add this conversation I think it was me and Chess or was it me and me and Kate devil somebody we had to kind of say somebody up there and I said the issue with the trinity once you once you just accept what it says this is true I mean I I mean I know why but it's true there's a calmness a peace and a comforting that comes from the spirit of God eventually just like we don't know why God even would create the devil but he did why God we don't know he didn't tell us but we accept the fact that he did and that he has a purpose in it and so fine that's good enough for me and so sometimes it's good enough to say we should say I'm not sure how this works I'm not sure because I said I asked this to other scholars if we found out that all of us were wrong I'm not saying it is guys so don't don't get at me I'm not saying he is but if we found out that our understanding about Jesus as the father is wrong would that change anything no it wouldn't change anything it would it would fix our understanding okay what were we wrong but it didn't change who died on the cross and so we come up with these little things try to figure things out or whatever and again I'm not saying Jesus is the father guys so my point is though sometimes we get so caught up in the weeds that we forget to actually go out and plant seeds we forget to go out and actually you know deal with these souls out here and deal with the hearts of this I consider all day push plate push record call that guy out call that guy out call that guy out call that guy out drink me some more coffee call that guy out call it and I'm done and no one was benefited but y'all don't know the emails and the conversations and so forth that I deal with other people offline and so there's gotta be more to it and I think sometimes sometimes it kind of as Diana was alluding to we get up off on these pedestals because we're sitting in YouTube judging folks and I get it judging bad doctrines what we're supposed to do but what are you gonna do about it? What are you what are you gonna do? Do you even have the ability or the patience or the desire to sit with a Marcus right or someone else and say hey listen I think this is wrong here's why let's walk through this so I think that's what we ought to be doing so I I appreciate what you say and I'm hopeful that everything with Marcus works out and so forth I haven't I haven't bet my life on it and I haven't changed anything I haven't affirmed any of his teachings or anything like that I haven't done any of those things I'm gonna say okay let's just see I don't understand I don't understand yeah I don't understand how people are impugning like your integrity or character or like your ministry over this like to me the overreaction in that regard is it doesn't make sense because the whole intent of everything that you said even in the rebukes of Marcus of Pagani Isaiah let's have a conversation I don't know until I talk to you let's talk about it let's um help me to understand maybe I'm wrong about Christians having demons let I won't know until I talk about it if I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong and show me in the scripture so it's like you've always opened that door up and was Marcus telling you you were wrong about anything? No he knew he was coming on there because he needed to clarify his doctrine with somebody that he trust that he could at the very least get pushed back on and actually see it from the perspective all this time people have been talking to Marcus but it's always been it's been tasteless like it's been very aggressive it's been very your I'm emotionally charged I'm not gonna say hatefully charged emotionally charged and I think you took a different approach and then people are like like I don't see what the benefit would have been to be emotionally charged and you know condemning him to hell or calling him out on every hair we know the man has some heresies but we've had some heresies I've had I know I have so it's like the fact that we know this already like you're being a dead horse at that point and you're probably gonna close off of already closed off man who is trying to open up his heart who said that he was hurt already and he's needs healing because he's hurt and that that part of that healing is being able to be receptive to sound doctrine because he's closed himself off from whatever experiences he's had with the church or with you know the YouTube you know space and we don't know what it's like I mean I got like 2.5 thousand subscribers he has 700 thousand on YouTube and a million on Facebook you know how much hateful stuff he probably gets set to invite people that profess to be Christians so it's like you don't know how that impacts his heart and or how much he's had to close off his heart because he's always being told he's wrong so he said that I didn't get that part at all yeah he he said that so yeah I I just want us to be open to the possibility of this powerful spirit of God reaching in and touching the people that we disagree with reaching in and touching their hearts and then then actually you know what I was wrong so anyway brand let me go ahead and let you go let me let me get some of these other guys I got some I got about three or four more on the sidelines I'm waiting to bring in as well so thank you so much brother all right Arsenal let me pull you hold on where is it there it is let me pull you back up go ahead brother I know you you were waiting oh it's all good it's all good I think my I just have a comment first of all like I said man love this show man I've been learning a lot because of you that I mentioned the Greek and Hebrew but here's the thing here man that people didn't notice how the Holy Spirit was supposed to people so busy about thinking about his past about what he said and this and the other that they didn't see that the Holy Spirit was working they saw Marcus Rogers Marcus Rogers said that okay what have you said what have you said in your time of excitement that you're touching the word or precious to someone that you said something that's a little heretical that you made it say something that was wrong so they so busy focusing on this and not looking at yourselves that they so I'm the one that I'm a sanitary and I'm this but you forget to focus on one thing that Jesus is love he's love so if Marcus reached out to us we supposed to show love to this brother until he show us otherwise yeah I'm not subscribed to his channel because some of the things he said but my wife is my wife loves him my wife is but I when he says something wrong I correct my wife on it like I'm not gonna start you stop you from watching him but I'm gonna correct you on what he's saying and it's all good keep watching him I'm not gonna stop you but if we don't if we don't show love to a brother that's reaching out because evidently he knows he's been saying something wrong evidently he started noticing because he reached out to one person because evidently he's been watching you yeah you called him but evidently he has been watching you so he reached out to you and said okay teach me something show me something he didn't he wasn't I'll read just as to what you said he was okay all right I may say his his opinions but he still absorbed what you said and to all these other people all he's a look well look find me on what they want to shake your hands find me on what they want to shake your hands there is no one that want to shake your hands you probably want to bite it off but he definitely ain't gonna shake it so he's not a wolf he's just a little confused right now he's all excited when God showed me that because he's feeling something he's feeling this flesh he ain't really in tune to the spirit yet but he's feeling this flesh I think God is showing me this I think God is like yeah he's excited so in all excitement he says these things he says this and I've seen them done even at my own church my uh a study school teacher he said you have to go back and get baptized I'm being I look and I and I quick and I quickly I quickly I quickly shut that down me myself like no you gotta find me a scripture that says that so we didn't get to mind you we didn't finish the Sunday school we stayed on that subject we stayed on that because no that's that was a heresy that's that's a reticle if that's your conviction they don't have to go back to the water they don't go back to the water but that's not magical that's that's not so yeah so the point is is this Marcus is a brother because he says one thing he do he did say I don't know the Lord the Lord knows me Jesus is the Lord only the Holy Spirit can allow you to say that so he is a brother regardless so we got to treat him as such they treat his time in the slum as a brother in fact he's shown otherwise but then they they turn him as one so until then we're going to treat him as one we're going to embrace him as one and if you show something different then yeah we'll have something else to say but until then everyone should treat him as a brother to get his past because all of us has a past there's no one that came out the room holy and if no one came out the room knowing the hard way to God we get called up that oh I'm so hungry than this and I'm full of this but to get the one thing and that's love hey I appreciate what you said but it's your your your your your mic I'm gonna have to let you go because your mic is really really is really bad right now so but I we did catch what you said okay I need to go ahead and get these other brothers in so I appreciate you love you to death brother all right uh I'm gonna say shiny rivers you're next I think I think you're next go ahead and meet yourself all right can you hear me I uh perfectly clearly and guys I might ask you guys we're gonna go pretty quickly because folks are constantly coming in as well so let's go as as I'm not trying to rush you but as quickly as you can now you're fine I'm not gonna take up too much your time like last time I apologize so the thing about Marcus Rogers when I first got introduced to him he was coming out saying some wild stuff but the fact that he reached out to you and you know after we seen those previous videos of him bumping heads and stuff and calling people closet homosexuals and all this other stuff and you know attacking folks but it appears that after all of that all that bumping heads all that aggression God has calmed him down he got humbled we saw him breaking down a bit I think he was he was speaking with some Joe I forgot who he was speaking to you know he was on there crying you feel me in front of people so obviously he reached a point where you know he didn't ran out of strength and he's humbled now he's in a point where he's able to listen and what you did open in the door for him to speak with you was a great thing you tell me so now we have an opportunity for this man who has you know three quarters of a million followers to now become sound and that may be a great impact on the kingdom yeah I'm not saying we should lay our hands on them too quickly no but you know with time you know and with um with progress and we see that he's actually growing then you know we can confidently call him brother but until you know that stuff in the past is taken care of you tell me we don't have to you know be cautious what you what we could do is you don't have a person that have to believe he's a brother but when I say treat him like one I mean hold him accountable like one so that all right you said this but what about this and if you fight me you know you're fighting is another brother if and so it gives me space to hold you accountable to come in you can hold me accountable too you can call me you can talk to me and so forth and so all of those things I think are in play and if if it goes south nothing's changed it's not like that it's not like that somebody that has for example uh people got some folks got bent out of shape because of Pagani unblocking me and I'm to blame because Pagani unblocked me well I didn't block him he unblocked me and then unblocked me but now I'm a all right Cory you you you're cuddling wolves and that way well what did I do what did I do other than get unblocked and want to have the conversation as I said before I want to talk to all of these people every last one of them everyone else who was saying something negative said yeah I wish they would talk to you Cory or talk to somebody else then when they do well wait a second we got a problem and so I think I think there's there's a lot and I told Marcus I said it yesterday and I said it in private there's a lot of problematic things that he needs to fix and brush up on and so forth and listen maybe what if if you're right Marcus but because you've learned how to articulate your points you can show it to us but if you can't describe what you're saying in a way and you're not willing to engage in these conversations well then you'll never show us that we're right or wrong same thing what I said with about the the demon slayers I think I'm right but it could be wrong but if you don't tell me how am I gonna know and so I'm not I'm not under any illusion that anybody is going to change what I'm literally doing is the same thing I would do with anybody else and I would hope that everyone else would do the exact same thing the person reaches out and says hey help me out what am I missing like talk with you then amen if it gets to the point to where we can't walk together and talk together no problem I don't have a problem with making letting everybody know hey y'all stay away from him I have no problem with doing that I have no problem with reversing course like you know what and it ain't going right I have no problem saying you know I was wrong about him or I was right about in the first place I was wrong about being wrong have no problem with that because none of this is dependent upon me whether Marcus grows whether I grow or you grow anyone else grows that's not on well me growing is on me but but you are it's not on me that's on anyone else's willingness and to whatever degree I can be helpful I will to whatever degree I can be of use I will and I'll do so in love because Paul says to preach the word be ready in season he says to reprove rebuke exhort with all long suffering all with all patience and teaching and so that's what we do and do so in a general fashion knowing exactly how we used to be and so nothing is lost here other than the fact that we now have an opportunity to make inroads and guess what guess what other than Marcus Rogers how many other people are out there who also might be you know what I wouldn't mind talking one of these up maybe not me but maybe maybe one of the other guys maybe somebody else there's there's a thousand other folks on YouTube or Facebook we have some bad doctor and now this cat wants to come in he just wanted to wait till I got on here I got one strangle this cat but how many folks on YouTube are are are kind of the same predicament and may see you know wait a second these guys are now willing to talk to Cory maybe I could go talk to Cory or go talk to one of these other guys and not necessarily public because we're not gonna have private I mean public conversations we're gonna have private conversations and we'll we'll move from there so I think that is the right way to go about doing it hey man hey yeah I hear you only thing I would say is just be careful because you see folks saying that now that you have had a conversation with them that they're comfortable with listening to the person now so you may need to start giving disclaimers like hey just because I'm having conversations with these people does not mean that I lay my hands on these people well yeah let me say that now just because I say hey I'm gonna treat them this way that mean that that his conversation is is correct or or not but as I said earlier I don't know if anybody that actually regularly listens to this channel thought that hey let's go ahead and and support all of this person's teaching or that person teaching again I don't think that anybody that thought that hey I got a problem Marcus Ryder is teaching as all of a sudden because of yesterday decided you know what yeah I'm I'm that's why I've changed my tune on who because who in the chat changed their tune on tongues and demons and and and anything else yet no but no one did it was just us talking and saying okay here's here's me going to at least have the possibly the opportunity to either mentor or to walk alongside or to be a brother with a big brother what have you to another person so I'm gonna treat you like a brother and guess what if I treat you like a brother I'm gonna talk to you like a brother I'm gonna handle you like a brother I'm gonna I'm expect some things of a brother and if it gets to the point that that you ain't actually fine I'll I'll leave you as I found you amen amen yeah hey innocent until proven guilty until we I said that backwards I can say guilty to proven innocent but you come with a heart that is looking to change so we're gonna treat you as one who wants to change but once you start showing us you know you still got that you still got some wolf in you or something yeah you gotta go brother that right I'm gonna go ahead and let you go so I get we have one two three four five I think I have a lot of them is up next thank you so much brother talk to you again I be all right damian what's going on brother not much you can hear me okay right I can hear you perfectly okay okay just making sure I definitely appreciate your channel I will say you definitely have been helping me to learn how to rightfully divide the word just from my background before I did not know how to do that and so I really am not trying to I'm not I'm not trying to criticize you I'm actually curious so I just want to start with that so I figured you'd had two ways to look at this is if he is a false teacher then it would almost be kind of like how we see Paul and Alexander but if you say that he's a brother then to compare him to other people who don't have a position of power I don't think would be correct I think maybe it would be more like Paul addressing Peter or am I wrong in that assumption the reason I say is because I'm a nobody and I I'm not even right I I'm not qualified to be a pastor but this person is in front of millions of people or thousands of people in front of a large audience claiming to be a teacher but he's telling people that their check engine light is on and he's trying to sell him blinker fluid and we're supposed to just say okay like all right cool you know he he needs to get it together it's okay we need to love him but it's like but while we're waiting for him to get it together he's selling blinker fluid yeah and we're cool with that and so that's why I said so I'm not upset I'm curious like if you look at him as a false teacher then should we handle him that way if you look at him as a brother then do we handle him more as like I said Paul or Peter or would you handle it like me to you I'm not a teacher I'm somebody who's just trying to follow and learn the word but he claims to be a teacher here's how um he's a he's a pastor whether we think he should be in that position or not that that's where he is so you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna hit you like a pastor I'm gonna throw some things your way and then you all won't see it at least yet I'll I'll I'll say some things come at you and then how you respond determines how we move forward so let's say I'm saying something to Damon Damon's not a Damon's not a pastor and I'm just gonna I'm gonna pretend like you just you just got saved Damon just got saved and so I treat Damon like a brother because I don't I said yesterday that I treat folks differently in two in two fashions one because of age but then also because of position so even though Marcus is is is a good ways younger his position dictates that I treat him a certain way Paul's I mean Peter's position dictated that Paul treated him a certain way and even when you got a brother as as they said if a person has if a person is what's the word uh in a position of leadership and they do certain things you rebuke them open their punishment is even harsher than the lay person are with me so how I would treat Marcus and how I would come down on him or anyone else in the least position is far different and far weightier than let's say Damon or Frank or Mary who just got saved or they've been safe for a few years but they're a lay person are with me so how I'm going to treat him dictate is dictated by his position but then also how he responds I don't know if the person if he's legitimate if he's if he's sincere uh I don't again I don't and I let me just say this guys I've I've been doing this for for a good while dealing with dealing with men who are some of the hardest folks to deal with I'm sorry this cat is standing right he's a jerk um I've been dealing with these people for for a while and so sometimes there's some tact that you have to use with this person that you wouldn't use another person right big big old violent guy named Arkansas who was a uh he was a bully in prison and he was I don't want to say misunderstood but he needed somebody to understand him why would treat him differently than this other guy who is um who is struggling with let's say his his sexual desires um and he's kind of kind of weak or meek I should say different than than big Arkansas and so sometimes you just have to use some sort of wisdom it's almost like the uh the doctor operating on somebody no two brains and no two hearts and no two bodies are the same and so there is some sort of uh a little bit of wisdom that you have to use but in terms of his position his position gets come comes with some of the weightier issues you can't do this Marcus you can't do this pastor so and so you can't do this now lay lay person so and so okay let's let's let's give a little bit more extra grace a little bit more extra mercy towards you but you pastor no and if you don't want to acquiesce you've got one of two things to do well no you got one two things you can either get it right or you can get lost now if you don't want to get lost and don't want to get it right well then we have to nail you know what let's let's let's let's take our hands off of you and leave him alone because there's no harm in saying you know what he's not what we thought or maybe he is that's why the bible says how we ought to go and deal with people in hopes of winning matter of fact look for this passage on the on the screen guys let me put this on the screen this is first screen things my one of my favorite passages because I think it governs everything he says whether you eat or drink whatever you do what do it all to the glory of God so if a person like Marcus reach out well then speak to him to the glory of God look what he says give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God just as I also please all men and all things not seeking my own to get my own opinion across but the prophet of many so that they may be saved so the whole goal everybody the whole goal is that people will come to Christ that they be saved and so I'm hopeful that what Marcus said again folks in catchment the man said that he needs healing that that that he's been hurting so forth well so we should let that go so what Marcus so what no the man said something and I'm attended to that that that that that got me like wait it's okay all right now he said it also before in our conversation and he was telling me why he was reaching out and so I'm not I'm not if you get hurt by somebody it won't be because of me now if I give you the word and the word bothers you that's a whole different story so but I agree I will answer the question a little bit yeah I will say I think I watch on average about two of your videos a day I just put it on and listened to it on my headset and I will you're welcome I will say as I listened to you though so I heard I didn't watch the Marcus the the one you do with Marcus live I just I had to catch it on a replay but I will say when I was listening to it as I listened as I compared to your other videos what really what I kept thinking is I was like you know you'll hop on other people so quick like for example I don't know Sea Rocks move that that one just popped into my head you'll be like Sea Rocks move come on here and show me and you'll be on there like you'll be on it like almost not being rude or offensive but you're definitely holding tight to you know what it is that he's either calling you out on or whatever and these are just commenters and so I was kind of expecting that same thing I didn't want like like Marcus and Ruslan I was like well both of you are really being emotional and nothing's getting done so I didn't want that kind of show but I was I was more expecting you to definitely be tighter with like how you handle the commenters as far as like you you definitely don't give a lot of slack there in a respectful way and so when I saw more slack I was just like well wait hold on because Sea Rocks move didn't get that same slack on the last one I just watched well let me ask you a question this cat that that's where I think you have to use a little bit of wisdom intact okay if this person is kind of reaching out then that's a little bit different than the way Sea Rocks move approaching he was talking trash and this and that or whatever okay I see what it is or let's say if we're having a debate you know we're having let's say with Michael Brown or with this guy or with that guy well that's different here is a brother that's reaching out not for this but for all of this and so all right let's handle this with keep gloves because maybe this can actually go somewhere you know what I mean so so the Sea Rocks move he was he was he's a jerk offline and he's a jerk when he came on and so for that reason he came on quickly and I got him off he was being racist there's been there was there's there's been some people that have been religious like we had y'all remember this one later that came on who she was as disrespectful as possible as as person could possibly be and I said I treated her like like she was a daughter why why not treat her the same way that Sea Rocks move or the other way that came on that was talking about the Illuminati and the and this and that two different attitudes and one she was younger and so I know what it's like to be in my 20s and 30s and just you just dumb I'm not I'm not picking on you 20s and 30 year old but we just do and say dumb stuff and then like wow I'm glad somebody I'm glad no one held me too accountable for that you know let me grow up a little bit so but older folks and then those that want to come with things like like the people that that I sent the stuff out to and they want to have a conversation with me and they thought that I'm wrong and so forth and they're pastors okay there will be a little bit different energy without without question because now I'm quit if my discernment is in question okay we'll find your heart is because you couldn't see what what what ministry are you possibly involved with where you don't have this on a daily basis this is guys this is literally daily ministry I'll never forget this my pastor was having a bad day a bad day just you know I've had those and we had a heart a difficult member who was just talking trash and being disrespectful and the pastor said you know what you got to go get out you trying to put me out pastor yeah get out and and the member walked away angry and upset and I said hold on pastor wait a second wait a second I'm I'm pretty sure that as the the shepherd of his local flock you're supposed to shepherd all of the sheep he said well he's too difficult yeah but God didn't say shepherd only the easy sheep this is the sheep period so you got to deal with that you have to fix that that that young man needs help he's hurt he needs something he's reaching out that's why he's here most case when folks are when someone willingly comes to you and they're emotional they are there it's crying out and so therefore you have to respond you have to respond with wisdom that's just and that's what it that that's what being a pastor calls for I can't treat this member the same way I treat that member because they're just different levels of maturity different things that are happening and so forth I can't treat this youtuber differently than that youtuber this person that chats matter of fact me and don't say the person's name but me and me and one of the moderators was talking about another person in the chat like that person is as sweet as that person getting so forth and yada yada yada oh okay because it is now dutch dutch talks trash about my bald head because dutch is jealous and I I give it back and forth or whatever I don't do that with everybody and so everybody can't play with everybody because you just know how people are well the same thing with a pastor dealing with people or someone dealing with someone that's crying out or calling out and so that's how you have to deal with Marcus Rogers if that's what you get but someone let's say like a sea rocks move uh no nope nope nope nope nope nope um matter of fact I won't even engage with you there are other folks I'm not going to be the circus for you being a clown I'm sorry so some folks you don't even get the get the time of day some folks you do agreed and I have a one last question I'll let you go I know you got other people to get to um I just I just kind of thought you should have been a little firmer but it's not anything I'd criticize you over or lose respect for that's just I just was like ah I was kind of I was like we need some of that K-Dub energy right now but the last question I have is so is it would it be unloving so he came to you and wanted to talk to you and and you're saying to handle him lovingly and I agree is it unloving then to say your doctrine is not sound and thus you can leave people astray I'd advise you step down and you're not yelling you're not berating but you're also telling the truth it's saying I'm not saying don't come back to being a pastor I'm saying you're held to a higher standard and every moment like every moment that you're getting that's why I'm asking like is that is that is that unloving to say in that same vein where Paul is in in glacial six about restoring someone a few verses later in the same chapter he says am I your witness I mean my your witness am I your your in because I'll tell you the truth and so tell to tell someone the truth hey this is wrong this is and you need to consider this no it's it's always loving to tell the truth the issue is as you get a little forceful do I do it before before five six seven eight hundred thousand people or do I do it one on one well I got to do it one on one if I came in here and said Damon if I said are you married you said you're married right uh I'm going through the force okay okay I'm sorry but let's don't worry but let's let's just say if I jump on you right now in front of five six seven people tell you everything that you're wrong about won't you you'll get defensive I'm putting you in your business out there right now so so how does that then inside of talking to you right so so then so then should have Paul have addressed Peter in private because he said he addressed him in front of everybody well the reason why he did that is because one he was right there and then two he was causing people like Barnabas to sin now if Peter had came to Paul I'm sure if Peter came to Paul and said hey listen was that wrong I'm pretty sure Paul would have said all right y'all stop Peter asked a question in private let me go ahead and make a a spectacle of him no Peter wasn't trying to counsel I mean Paul wasn't counseling Peter Paul was rebuking him I am in at this point trying to there's counseling and so you don't there's a reason why you don't counsel in public there's there's you won't find a counselor counseling people in public rebuking so then how do you know how do you know when to rebuke or versus to cancel the to counsel then because all of them could have counseled him his attitude and response his attitude and response is going to dictate where the review comes why why why rebuke him when when a loving counsel works because you win that person but if I start off because again Damon or Devin or Greg or Daniel Chase if I start going at you right now y'all y'all brothers y'all got testosterone in you right I'll come at you you ready to come back some of y'all can't fight I'm looking at you can't fight I know you can't I'm kidding I'm kidding but you're going to want to fight you see two old men on TikTok or YouTube or some place fighting each other why because they still got some testosterone so you can challenge me in prison disrespect or respect is a big thing so if I say something to you and you feel disrespected that's that's a you're not old enough but but some of these other old hands Greg like you got some age on Daniel got some age on him if you stepped on our tennis shoes back in the day that's a fight not because of my shoes of your must be you disrespected me I paid a whole bunch of dollars for these pro kids I couldn't get no George I got some pro kids and you stepped on them so that's I'm disrespected I don't want to disrespect him in public however if it comes to the point that he that he's not listening and there's open rebuke and I and you got to protect the flock with us I'm gonna keep protecting the flock I'm gonna keep calling stuff out I haven't that's the point I haven't changed anything I haven't pulled back I haven't all of a sudden said you know what Christians can have demons tongues where they say it is real all I haven't changed that matter of fact I've made videos since then still calling it out so that won't change but right now here's a brother because because what what what benefits if if Marcus becomes if Marcus is is known on YouTube and on the internet and everywhere else as a sound biblical exergy he can work his way through the scriptures everyone wins including the kingdom so that's why but yeah on the best case scenario but what if he continues and we have another false teacher like tdj sir well then guess what Michael job then guess what we just we do this and move remember Jesus tells them to go to Samaria now we've got three instances with Samaria one he goes there and he speaks to the woman another time he sends them there the disciples and says if they don't receive you dust shake the dust off your feet now some folks did some folks didn't Peter and and uh Peter and and and um was Peter and John I think Peter and John I think I think it's Peter and John maybe uh James and John Peter and John I'm not sure but said Lord shall we call down fire on them they have they have rejected this we should call down fire what did Jesus say I'm paraphrasing shut up because what did Jesus tell them just a year or so later when you receive the Holy Spirit you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Judea and where else that very same place that you want to call fire down on so sometimes we want to destroy folks and now let me just I want to because it feels good to point somebody it feels good but I know a killer I know a killer Damon I know a killer we got eight life sentences the man got eight life sentences and everybody wanted to see him dead this man spent the rest of his life he's still alive and he won't ever get out of prison he's in he's in he's in Beaumont US USP no the medium he's in Beaumont medium never getting out you know what he's doing leading people to Christ before they die so he's useful and so Marcus might be useful if he's not with an A no what what has hurt us that it didn't hurt I will say I will say it's not that I want to bash anybody that's not where I stand where I stand with it is like like I said if somebody was like if my wife came home and was like hey I just got the tires tires change and the guy just told me some blinker fluid for 500 bucks like good deal because now we can get that check engine like I would be pissed I and it's not that I would want the other want harm to the other guy I wouldn't want to call fire and brimstone on him but I'd also be like yo first of all give my money back and then tell everybody don't go see this con artist this snake old salesman because he's taken advantage of people now intent I mean intent like but intent I will say intent is there but it's like okay even if that person even if the mechanic intended well he wasn't trying to take advantage of my wife did it still take away from the fact that he took advantage of my wife no he's took advantage of whether his intent is there or not no but maybe God is trying to see what Damon's gonna do again here's here's a passage never pay back evil for evil to anyone respect what is right in the sight of all men here it is if it's possible so far it has depended on you be at peace with all men look what he says never take your own revenge beloved believe room for the wrath of God agreed and I'm not saying take it I'm not oh agreed I'm not saying take take revenge I'm saying mark and avoid well at some point in time we may have to but if a person reaches out and says says if a if a if a if the worst heretic if Benny he and reaches out and says core I need some help all right let's talk let's talk I would love to watch that that live if that hasn't let's let's talk something better is open rebuke than hidden love well again use wisdom we want to use wisdom if mark God this is what I understand and I'm gonna I have to go ahead and let you go do so I get these other guys thank you thank you for having me on thank you no problem brother no problem but if Marcus if Marcus never gets it right how many of y'all have suffered how many of you will have suffered none of you have suffered for that none of you have lost anything and so guys anyway let's let's go ahead Daniel or check or Greg when I'm not sure which one of you guys were next I'm not gonna be in here too mall brother core can you hear me I can you hear me brother yep okay so I just want to tell you man I've been watching your video ever since you was just like in the low 20,000 now you up to 160,000 and I see how your ministry has grown and I really got convicted I was watching that video from yesterday with you in discussion with Marcus Rogers and I was one thing that really came up to me was if we if Jesus did us the way that we do one another where will we be today and that was the number one question that came to me even when Peter denied him three times denied him three times and he already told me before the rusa croat you're gonna deny me but then yet he was restored in John chapter 21 and I think a lot of time what happens is we try to become God if that makes sense we try to regenerate the heart we try to regenerate the soul and the mind without actually doing the first thing that we must do at first and let's pray for them so I just want to commend you that brother you actually did what the apostle Paul did to Timothy and Titus you encouraged him someone that was older you encourage him even though he y'all had disagreements or anything like that to the nature there was many disagreements throughout the New Testament you have the Jerusalem Council for one Barnards James and who Paul etc on circumcision and so forth so I just want to commend you brother to stand the course stay to faith markers are going to mark and it's going to be what it's going to be but you do what God tell you to do and that's all I have to say I appreciate you brother thank you so much who's next Greg or is it Greg I think it's Greg yeah Greg can you hear me I can wonderfully I can hear you oh okay sounds good so first I want to thank you I'm actually 27 so not as old as I might look but it's the beard I first want to yeah maybe so yeah so I do appreciate you I appreciate your channel I've been learning a lot and going back watching your video so one issue that I had and it was never that I necessarily wanted you to bash him it was never that I wanted you to disrespect him he was very respectable he was uh he seemed humble I mean I can't say what his intent was fully but what I want to say though is when people say that we can't look at somebody's past to determine what they may or may not believe I think that's inaccurate because honestly in his position if someone stumbles across his page what will be the first thing they do they wouldn't watch his recent most recent video and just say you know what let me go from here they'll go back and they'll watch they'll watch even even a year even two years to see if he's a pastor who flip-flops week after week goes he's consistent in what he teaches so when I was following him I mean I was convicted away from it I don't remember exactly why but when I went back even recently if you've been teaching that Jesus and I know he smooth talked the Jesus was a thought portion I went back and watched and um just because I don't want to be wrong either I tell my wife I don't ever want to judge based off of how I feel I want it to be biblical I want to know what the Bible says I'm okay being wrong so I go back and look and not only did he did he claim and not just in an instance but this is he clearly believed believed that so if he's saying that uh Jesus was a thought a word still ultimately what he's saying is that he came into existence at some point he was in existence as a thought okay that's one there was another video where he says that um Jesus was uh light was created on day four and he compared it to where it says I believe in John where Jesus is the light he's doubling down on the fact that Jesus came into the world at a specific time there's people there are a word of faith people who claim that because Jesus became a God I can become a God so they would acknowledge that yeah Jesus is God but they would say he was a created God they would they would say that and because he was a created God then therefore I can be so if I run down the list of questions to them saying do you believe that he was God they would say yeah but they would be saying it from a standpoint of created which ultimately we know that that's it's not possible and um also another thing is um of course the baptism so looking at his track record at what point would it be that his track record doesn't hold weight anymore so people are saying you know if you look at his past or what about your past well I mean as believers we have to be willing to acknowledge when we're wrong period whether it's it's a week later whether it's a year at some point the conviction would come in that you're wrong and being that he is uh preaching and teaching it actually hurts even a little more and I truly do I was telling my wife I I I I'm gonna I pray that he I pray that this is sincere I really do I really do pray that even the the reason him reaching out to you because I know some people reach out to somewhat try to clear their name but even if you look back even recently there's things he's getting involved in there's there's so oh actually I also heard him say that um I'm sorry he said um that Jesus is God but he's not fully God so when you ask him to God he'll say yeah but he's claimed that Jesus is not fully God but then on the flip end he went and defended it saying I never said that Jesus uh isn't fully God I've always held to the fact that Jesus is fully God so there's a straight contradiction straight lie whether it's out of ignorance or not you have 700,000 people following you at some point somebody may hold to the fact that Jesus is not fully God and that may be what they believe and if they don't believe that Jesus is God the I am that he's fully God and he's always been God at what point would that be that they're believing in a false Jesus so then at what point would he truly go back and I pray that he does I do I pray he goes back and corrects these things but I personally can't see how he would be a brother when he doesn't believe in in in the true eternal existence of Jesus and not talk about in a thought type way so sorry for rambling but no you fine here's here's why there there was for and I've told him I'll say to anyone if when you have problematic teaching and you are a pastor you are responsible for what you are putting into the ears of these people that you're speaking to that's why it's dangerous Paul Paul James says not all of you should be teachers as a stricter condemnation and so because of that it's possible that listen he might not change it's possible that he may say you know what let me go back and check that out it's possible that he believes what you and I believe but has no earthly idea of how to explain it he might be horrible explain it and every time he tries to explain he messes it up because again like we said you can be saved and you know so that's that's possible also I have I've literally come across people I can't tell you guys how many times I've come across someone that was that met well but didn't know well and so the that remains to be seen we're gonna that's one of the things that we're gonna deal with we got we got to fix that because if you are if you're true about getting your doctrine and your understanding correct and you got these people there so now they got to go they have to go on a journey with you I'm not saying y'all everybody go over there and sign up and and subscribe to to his channel I haven't said that I've said instead I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be talking with you I'm gonna treat you like a brother you don't have to I'm gonna treat you like a brother which means I'm gonna be in your business and if we see hey something ain't ain't jiving here no problem we can back off all of you folks that are that are conscious and skeptical no problem no problem there's nothing wrong with you being skeptical because he's he's earned that he's earned the right for you to be skeptical but at the same time I'm saying I will do this and I'm not gonna stop calling out sin I'm not gonna stop calling out false teachings I'm not gonna at some point now if if we're talking about this and he's not acquiescing or he's not seeming like he he wants to to grow in the grace and out of the Lord well then all right bye holler at you we have to move on that it's not like we put up a concrete sign and molded and steel and said Marcus Rogers is the be all in it we didn't say that we just said okay here's a brother that that that said he's he's hurting on some things and that he's he's been bothered and upset and angry and looking for another brother okay well fine here we are here we are and let's see if you mean that where you go by that you can't burn me how in the world can I'm a thousand miles away from I'm not I'm not giving into any bad doctrines a matter of fact we weren't even intended on talking about about tongues because he you know he said he had he had to take his kit somewhere but we got on that and okay well fine I did I did I did I back down from tongues know you're wrong on that here's why here's this and here's that or whatever and if you go back and just go towards up the last half of the video guys and watch it I might be wrong but did it look like Marcus was thinking that some wheels were turning in his head like you know what all right let me see that well what about this and then you give him a response and so I said to him listen you have this is stuff that you have to know this shouldn't be it should be bam bam bam bam because you're a pastor and all you got is the Bible study that and know it and get familiar with this stuff even the languages and so this won't be an issue because let's say you still agree you still disagree with me on tongues okay fine but because you will be taking a more scholarly approach a desire to be have a fidelity to the text you're going to be careful about what you say you're going to know how to say what you believe because what if he doesn't believe what he says but it comes out the wrong way that's happened we've said something like I did I did I say that I said that wrong now at some point now do I do I think that it would be better it would be best if Marcus Rogers was not pastoring yes I believe that he's not getting ready to shut that down yeah but if we can start making some inroads be it with him or anyone else what an amen amen so I'm not I'm not under guys I'm not under the guys that yeah he's man Marcus matter of fact Marcus about to become a Calvinist I'm not even a Calvinist Marcus about to I'm not under that under that I'm not I'm not believing that I just know that you start somewhere if it doesn't go any further fine had a brother won't say the person's name had a brother I said you know what let's just work with him I'm talking with him behind the scenes didn't go well and I cut it cut him off and he since made 60 70 videos about me no problem every and it's all good as a matter of fact probably another video about me which is fine don't have no problem with that nothing has been hurt as a matter of fact as a matter of fact what happens if Marcus if all of this I'm not saying it is but what if all this was just a just a scam who looks bad Marcus does Marcus does and who's going to hold him accountable God will so all you can do is all you can do because sometimes Greg God wants to see what Greg is going to do let me ask you all a question have you ever pulled up and there was a homeless guy on the side of the road wanting some money and your thought is I get this man some money what are you going to do with it same thought I give this past this church some money what are they going to do with it that is not your concern that is not your concern your concern is to do good especially with those in the household of faith do good to the body if you can help somebody help them now if you want to go if you want to make sure he buys the food or clothes whatever go get it for him but we do that sometimes where I ain't going to give it to him because I know I know his heart ain't right okay I'm glad God didn't do me like that and I'm not saying it's what you're thinking but I'm saying at some point in time let's just it's not going to hurt us to extend some grace open arms to the brother without compromise I haven't compromised one thing I'm not saying you said that but other folks like Cory's compromised I haven't compromised one thing and we'll not compromise anything but now I got a person hey listen remember we were talking about this Marcus and you said so and so now we can talk so that's all right okay I got one more question I'll be quick because I know they want to hop in and you don't have to take long at all but my question would be at what point if I'm able to look back and see what somebody has been preaching the teaching even in my personal life even if I want to visit a church and I'm looking at their sermon or even individually at what point would someone be deemed either a heretic or simply not a brother or how long would they have to prove to me that they ultimately don't align with scripture whether it's with what they're teaching the way they live I guess how far does it extend even with the baptism in order to be saved how far does it have to go even with work based for someone to be deemed not a brother not in a judging way but I do want to be careful I have a wife and kids that I want to be able to teach them you know what I'm learning what the Lord is teaching me and I guess you and you don't have to take long at all on that because I know some other guys want to get in well here here let me let me pull this up the word that we use it's not it's not the word is not actually used a lot in the Bible the word heresy or heretic it's not actually in the Bible that often what heresy refers to it's it's kind of a the actual word is kind of a taking up grabbing hold and taking up and so doctrinally speaking you know what Greg I'm gonna I'm gonna do something I'm gonna cover that next with what an actual heretic or heresy is it's taking of something taking it taking it up taking it away and it really and you becoming kind of it may it's become kind of a set holding a set of beliefs a set of tenants a tenant that is unlike our tenant of faith for example Paul says as he's dying I have kept the faith the tenants of the noun the faith heretics don't keep the tenants of the faith now were there a time where anyone who was not a heretic but was a believer didn't hold to all the tenants of the faith yes but this is why we grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord so there's some growing so if a person is actually saved they're all the way over in left field on this doctrine all the way over here on that doctrine but the spirit is working in him and bringing them but if you're not seeing that that person is a heretic if that person is unwilling is relenting is fighting about sound doctrine that person and I mean doing it intentionally that person is a heretic that's what a heretic is a heretic is not accidental you can say something hericyical I'm making up a word but you can say something kind of false and not be a false teacher because you can be saved and stupid right and so a heretic is never it's never accident if that were the case all of us at some point time would have been heretics our kids are and so forth no so a heretic is a person it's intentional it's stubborn it's for their own benefit we're gonna find out we're gonna find out if that's him hey man so let me go ahead I appreciate it oh no problem let me go ahead and deal with bring on Chase Chase go ahead my brother hey can you hear me I can hear you all right cool I just got about three points that I just want to bring up the first point being is that I was yeah just three are you gonna be fair the last question for you though but the first points the first point I want to get to is I respect both of y'all for actually having the conversation and talking because I notice a lot of people who come in Marcus is just really to prove they point or try to quote unquote expose them I respect you for being the actual brother in Christ and just actually talking to him and even whatever y'all may talk about outside of this YouTube platform and second there can be a thin line between correction like correcting the brother assistant in Christ or just judging and condemning the throwing the stone and I feel like mobile yeah I just feel like we need to be very careful on what we say and how we say things to people and everything like that but I just respect you for how y'all was doing it though because the first thing that came to my mind when y'all was having the conversation was just I was just at peace and I was happy about it because most people who talk with Marcus is just some kind of argument or something like that but it wasn't none of that and I respect both y'all as a man for coming to that agreement and just having the conversation setting aside y'all differences yeah thank you I appreciate that so what was it was that was that a question no it's just like as a command I probably said a question but oh yeah the question was what kind of software do you use when you compare the Greek and Hebrew to this oh that's accordance bible software accordance bible software yeah all right cool that's all I wanted to say man God bless you all right that was good Devin how you doing can you hear me yes sir how you doing first off I want to say I love your videos you have got me it started in this whole investigating false teachers and heritage I watch all your videos so I just want to say say that first thank you but my comment was I think too because I went I looked at the thumbnail my comment and question I think when people saw you with Marcus right and Greg basically said everything that I was going to say where in terms of the flip-flop thing but my comment we some people saw you with him and since the fact that you make the videos about false teachers and heretics or seeing why that might not be exactly biblical right they thought you was going to be like oh you're wrong you're this you're a dirty heretic you're going hell you're hellbound you know stuff like that which I don't think that has ever been your style as far as I've been watching your videos I've never seen you be like mean or hateful us you know stuff like that but I commented on a video and I was like I wonder if Corey has looked or Mr. Corey I'm you my elder I'm sorry if Mr. Corey has really looked at his videos because and I and I commented and I say I'm not saying this to be funny or humorous but I think he either is not aware or like bipolar and I say this because he will have like he said there's videos where if you look up Marcus Rogers outside of his sermon there's videos where he is stating something and then when he gets in front of a person like he talked to you he talked to David Lynn he talked to a couple other people he's saying the exact what's it of what he's saying but one thing that he's consistent and saying from that he said in multiple videos is that he referenced the scripture where you know the scripture where he even said in you know in the conversation with you about Jesus is at the right hand of the father and he's in the bosom of the father he said that consistently throughout the conversations I've seen with him but out like you know pretty much where do you how can I phrase this question let me like you said articulate yourself do you think that he I know you say you know hurt you know stuff like that but do you think that he is is in a position to teach what he believes rather than keep his own convictions to himself so kind of if I'm saying that right said again do it so you can have your own personal understanding and beliefs of something right but do you think it's okay for him to be in a position because I you know you always reference Paul where it says you know a pastor should be able to teach but do you think it's okay for him to teach that even though it's his own personal understanding no I don't I don't and if I was calling the shots for one second if I were calling the shots stop being a pastor if I were calling shots don't be in that position but I'm not calling the shots so I'm gonna work with what I got now in terms of all the videos that he's done I don't know I don't all I can work know all I can go off is what I know I've seen some things that's troubling most times I'll do a video on anything or anyone nine times I not excuse me what's in my throat someone is sending something to me hey check this out and then after a while I might get back to it or I might get back to it immediately so I might be sitting here and I'm doing some work and something comes across I if I'm happening to look at something oh whoa and so I can I can cover it river briefly right so something like the David Lynn deal I've heard people talk about I've never seen it so I don't I don't know I don't know all that he said that being the case all that stuff is him everything from the past up to now is him without question good bad confusing all of that is him now does that mean that has to be him going forward so if he says if he reaches out to me do I hold all of that in the past against him or do I take the fact that he reached out and it's okay that's a good first step I didn't make the first step he did and so I'll go with that we'll see going forward if he steals someone says in a week he'll he'll be back to teach him one miss brother we'll see if that's if that if that is the case uh then then we'll see we'll we'll know but all I can do is all I can do again God gave you excuse me you and me the word we take that and if we acquiesce if we if we grow then amen if we don't that's on you how many times are you entitled to a second chance as often as the Lord sees fit to grant you want now that necessarily means going to be with me or with you or this other person you might be on and get a second chance once with me but maybe you go to Mary and she she she helps you out or you go to Frank and he gives you another chance um I'm going to show love I'm not going to do it foolishly I'm not going to just shop you don't have my he doesn't have access to my bank account he didn't have my passwords so all I'm doing is all I'm doing Marcus is what I'm doing with you guys here's a here's a Scott here's the gospel here's the scriptures that's that that's that's literally all I'm doing I'm just doing it without this camera I'm doing it on that phone that's all it's all I'm doing and so I can do that and it won't be a problem no loss I'm not telling I'm not advocating or affirming him or any of those things and so now so that that's where I am that's where I am that that that helped yeah yeah and for the record I do not I'm personally Devin does not believe you're compromised that you did something against God or nothing you just simply first off you're a grown man so you could talk to who you want to talk to that's that's you know you could you know I would love to actually see you in conversation with like you know I would love to see you and Michael Todd talk or you and Ash and Java talk or you know a couple of people just the conversation alone would be like okay well you know I