Hi. Hi, it's Bridget. Welcome to Above Life Channel. The purpose here is to inspire your spirit and to fill you with hope. So I have some questions from previous channeling sessions with him where that have been put together for me. And so we're going to come through with this. However, before we start, I just want to come into my heart space and really feel the energy of peace that is connected to Bruce Lee. And I'm going to ask you to imagine to really visualize in your mind's eye, whether you know him or not, whether you're a fan or not, it doesn't matter. Just visualize in your mind's eye that beautiful yin yang symbol, that balancing symbol, that black and white, that harmony symbol. And let's just feel into our heart space while you're visualizing that so that you can receive some peace. I would love that from this conversation, please. I really, really appreciate that, if that's possible for me. He says, it's always possible. Peace is, however, a discipline. Many would potentially deny that. Yet it is. It is. Peace is a discipline. That's interesting, isn't it? So peace is a discipline. Yes. I'm coming right in front of me. Peace is a discipline. It provides much needed structure. There is a mistake that many make to seek to understand life. It is not to be understood, it is to be experienced. And only when you are able to be quiet, to find calm inside of you, then you can understand what life is truly. It is in a breath, one to the next breath. Wow, okay, I'm really feeling, I'm really feeling what you're saying. There's really this transcendent energy and I can feel the energy like lifting up sort of out of my head like the energetics of the just the thoughts and the restriction in the mind and just this feeling of just real calmness. I can feel this breath in everyone. Feel the embodiment of this peace, this structure discipline. How do we access this, Bruce? How do we, how do we as humans in this time, this life now, right now, it is so different now than it was when you were on the earth? How do we humans access this now? It is to be present. It's not perfection that you seek, it's the timing, it's the rhythm. He says the timing is the timing is what he's saying. Time, like a candle being blown up, it's the time, the moment of time and the next, the next. What do you perceive to be in each moment to arrive on time? You must be practiced, versed in the timing of things, the nature of life. And it is with breath. That is the practice. It is with breath.  For the air to fill the lungs and for the mind to empty out the limited thoughts of humanity, of what the body is limited by and instead to fill it with the possibility or this limited potential, limit less potential. I just felt really tight in my shoulders and my back. I want to, I personally want to harness this power because Bruce, I'm seeking peace, but I'm also seeking forgiveness. I'm seeking to learn about how I can forgive to just let there be love. Is that even possible? I mean truly is it possible? So many of us are in that place I think. Is that even possible? I'm calling me out, I figured that would happen. He says it does not happen through avoidance. You can't avoid the pain forever. It will catch you eventually. This is why it's difficult for you to rest. This is why it is difficult for you to find peace because when you are in a state of peace, and you are blissfully connecting from one breath to another and getting in sync with the rhythm of life, you arrive on time for all of it. Everything. The dead weight of what is holding you back or what you perceive to be holding you back is pain. And that can only be relieved in forgiveness. Yes, and I'm asking him in my head, I'm like, well, what about love? Like how does that work into it?  And he says, that's a good question. He says the connection between the two transcends. When one is brave enough to release the pain to forgiveness, it changes as does one who has experienced and held the pain into a state of blissful awareness. And it is in that state that you can connect to love. That is how exactly how it grows, how it expands, how it reaches its potential love. Love comes deeper, broader, more evolved than the limitlessness of the mind into a state of pure blissful awareness. And that's where you rendezvous with it in its purest form. And for those who have felt a depth of pain and or who have caused pain to others and feel the exchange of hurt with love. Layered upon layered, the freedom that you seek is through forgiveness and of yourself for allowing yourself to be in a state where you were, I'm going to say vulnerable, to be touched by pain, but it is not for the lack of love. It is for that desire, the desire of it. No one else can understand this, but you. It lives in you and your body and it hides the love that you know is there as hiding in the pain. And forgiveness will be the freedom to let it go so that it can grow. You won't lose it. You've already lost it by hiding it in pain. It can only grow when it's free. And that's where you will meet it again. Can you guys give me a second? All right, so let's ask some of your questions. I'm going to move this light. It's very cloudy here today. It's just like Seattle. He said, huh, it's just like Seattle. Okay. I know I can do this. I'm strong enough to do this. I know I am. There's a lot here. So let's ask some of your questions versus that. Okay. Let me get my specs on. It's like me on night reading in bed. Okay. Bruce, do you feel like you fulfilled your life's purpose? What goals were you working on? Or. Would have liked to accomplish before you passed. Hmm. Oh, that's interesting. He literally says there's nothing left undone. There's nothing left undone. He's super philosophical. I don't know. I kind of get the vibe that he was like that in, in, in human life, but he feels extraordinarily philosophical. There's nothing left undone. He says. What you are perhaps asking about is a feeling of, or a sense of losing time. Or not feeling complete. And he says. It is all in the perspective you have of time. He says. Nothing was lost or wasted. Nothing. Even the struggles or the frustrations and the humanness. Of life. He says nothing was lost. In my experience. Okay. So this person is curious about your transition. How was it?  To miss it would. Assume that I was separate from my spirit. I wasn't. Okay. So the way he's explaining this is he's making me feel like, in order to miss something, you have to, there's an assumed distance. A separation. But. What is the feeling of loss? A level of loss in the separation. So separation amplifies loss. Oh my God. That's brilliant. Separation amplifies loss. Did you hear that everyone? Okay. This is the energy from Bruce Lee. And now instead of direct channeling him, I'm feeling him in the heart space. And sharing energetically what is coming in. As the feeling of the information that he is transferring to us. So, loss. It assumes a disconnection and he says, I was not connected. I'm sorry. I was not disconnected. I was always connected. Body, mind and spirit. Interesting. Because I usually say body, mind, heart and soul. Or body, mind, heart and soul. And he says body, mind, spirit. The three body, mind, spirit. He's really showing me the elements to earth, air, fire, water. He's really showing me the elements too in this movement, fluidity of the elements and the motion of things and the fluidity of life. And through that, there is connection. This water like energy, this flowing movement with water. I see, and then I see the spinning. The energy of the lemus cage or the, the infinity sign, but it is actually the. Two wheels. The balance of that, just that beautiful. Okay. Just, and I'm really feeling this. Okay. Okay. Oh my balance. The in Yang symbol, the balance. Feeling the balance between the two. They're separate, but they are connected. They're separate. But they're connected. Yeah. Okay. Sweet. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. He just made a, kind of made a joke too. No, he said, I'm like, I was looking at, I picked this up and I saw that what do you miss on human, about human life. And he's like the food. He says food. Even though he says he's very disciplined. It seems like with nutrition and food and stuff. He said the food, like the freshness, the freshness. So I'm like no donuts. He's like, no donuts. All right. So there's also a question about timing. Did you know that you were going to leave the earth so young? And he says, I didn't think about death. I didn't think about it. It is a natural normal thing that would happen, but I never, I didn't dwell on it. He's saying I didn't dwell on it. I didn't think about it. I didn't. When he's saying, I didn't have a sixth sense about it. No. I'm going to ask him, so did you, would you have wanted to know? And he says, as a human, perhaps I could see the benefit of that. But if you're living your life fully, there's no need to know because you are contented in the knowing that you have lived each life, each of the days of your life fully to the fullest of your ability. So there isn't this feeling of one more time or one more thing. Oh, I didn't ask you about your transition. He says it was quick. It was very quick. It was abrupt. He says abrupt. And he's saying he had a headache and it feels like he hit his head. I don't know if he actually hit his head. What's the deal back here? I'm sure he probably had, let me just say, obviously he did stunts and all that.  Remember, it used to be like, oh, you're fine. Just don't fall asleep. It's fine.  It really hurts. So either he had, he was hit or it was like a massive migraine kind of vibe. It's just not comfortable, but it's not unusual. He was saying it wasn't, it wasn't unusual. It wasn't extreme. It was, it wasn't extreme. He says, I wasn't feeling well. And, and that was it. That was it. That was it. All of a sudden there was no more pain. Just done. And then he's not showing me like him in his body, him looking at his body, him leaving his body. He's just showing me, he's here. And then he's not. He's just spirit. And there's no like this feeling of, oh my God, I want my body and none of that. None of that. He was just, there's a lot of peace with it. Just this really firm, really steady centered, peaceful energy. Okay. Does that make sense? Okay. All right. So let's see. Let's see. Oh, here's a good one. Could you ask Mr. Bruce Lee, if he experienced his light body in his meditation, or when sparring with another, if he became one with the movement spirit of the partner, not sparring against another, but being in, in attunement with the movement and synchronicity into a dance like action, reaction, state of flow. Did he ever have these and other types of experiences? That would be great. Can you talk to us about the spiritual experiences energetically of being kind of in that harm, harmonization space that, that yin yang balancing space. Can you talk about this a little bit? This will be our last question. Hmm. Hmm. And it says, hmm, like, like it's yummy. Like, oh, that. Yes, that feels good. It says, there is a harmony. There's a harmony of a movement of flow of energy in exchange with another. Yes. Yes. Okay. Um, we're talking about sparring. I'm going to blush a little bit. Okay. He's saying, come on, bring your focus. Okay. I'm trying. This is hot. This is a hard channeling for me to do, but I'm doing it and I am really proud of myself. I wanted, I really wanted to do this. Low. He says it's a flow. Exchange. He says you're kind of in this. Really surreal place that you get to. And he says, yeah, I was curious about it. I want to go back to the metaphoric place that all this movement is happening. And it's happening at like three times the speed of what normal movement would be. So as though you're like, you saw me like watching a camera. And you're moving really, really fast and, and you one minute you're standing in the next minute, you're in the air. And then the next, but you're standing again. what he's showing me, but he says in person when you're alive, alive with someone else in that space, and I want to say sacred space in that space, he says it's euphoric, it's like this incredible spiraling of energy and it just one body moves close and the other body moves with, and it's very intuitive and he says it's so, it's just like this time warp, it's like this slow motion but so fast and he says it's just this balance of time, this balance of time and it's just an incredible, he says it's a rush, it's like this blissed out state, it's just this just so euphoric, it's like the orgasmic state of like, yeah wow, like you're not even attached to your body but your body is, you are just like honoring and feeling the energy inside the body while at the same time you're expressing outwardly and there's this just real synergy between the inner and outer and the the motion and the stillness and the pause and the release and it's very it's just such a beautiful, like really you guys, he's like filling up my heart space and the throat chakra and just really like it's just this profound state, a full embodied, yeah okay Ascended Master, hello Kundalini, can we bring ourselves back down into the body in earthly form please for the rest of us who have to like just go about our day, thank you very much thank you, thank you to Mr. Bruce Lee, Ascended Master, just really feel like I need to like bow like really definitely, thank you for your presence and for supporting this special channeling today, I appreciate it and for you viewers, thank you so much for watching here on Above Life channel on YouTube, I'm Bridget, you can also find me on Facebook at Bridget inspired and on Instagram at Bridget inspired as well, I hope that we have inspired your spirit today filled you with hope and encouraged you as always to live your life, this is your life after all and you get to live it, just love it, thank you for watching


I was midway through my third year and I had done rotations in surgery and medicine and in pediatrics and I loved them all. And I also had interest in things like radiology, which is something that I didn't get any clinical exposure to in third year and something I wanted to spend more time experiencing. And so, the PACTRA program was an obvious solution to my issue. I needed something where I could step back for a second and really immerse myself in the field of radiology and really figure out, is this something I can see myself doing for the rest of my life? And moreover, I think the research aspect of this was also important because research was something that also, in parallel, had been floating around in my head. Is this something that I could see myself doing? Am I a clinician? Am I a clinician scientist or am I more a scientist? And doing this year off and doing research, I think, was one of the best decisions I made with my education because it made me realize that both, that I did see myself as a radiologist, but of that I could definitely see myself being in academics and spending my time as a clinician scientist. In the course of my medical training, I'm someone who is very curious and always needs to find a way to figure out answers to my questions, but also to find a way to be creative and original. And I think clinical and translational research really helps marry the two worlds in being very engaged in your clinical work, but at the same time finding creative outlets to develop solutions to common clinical problems that you encounter on a daily basis. An important goal of this research year was to answer the question, will I succeed in academics? And for me, an important milestone in answering that question was publishing a first author paper. I think there are a lot of challenges in publishing a first author paper that one really needs something like a CTSI program and a mentor like Bonnie to really help realize that goal. For me, what the program personally offered was for this study to understand how to do a study in diagnostic accuracy, to understand how bias may play a role in doing a retrospective study and finding ways to overcome bias. A key part to this experience was my mentor, Dr. Bonnie Jo. And although we were encouraged to do these projects independently, I really would not have been able to see this from start to finish without her integral involvement at every step. She was somebody who helped me really focus my research question, really helped me design my study in an appropriate way and really make it something feasible so that I could accomplish something in a limited time frame. And when it came to the point of writing up my results, of practicing my presentations that I was going to give at national conferences, Bonnie was somebody who I always fell back on, who always took the time out of her day to make sure that we really did a good job in writing our manuscripts and making sure my presentations were communicating the ideas clearly. Something I wasn't expecting when I started the CTSI program was that I would be matched with a Berkeley undergrad who I would mentor. And so I had the great fortune of working and being matched with Ryan Chen, who was studying biology at Berkeley at the time. And we both took a course on designing clinical research together. But because of his interest, he continued to work with me and was really crucial in collecting data that we used for this study. So I felt that mentorship was definitely something that took a lot of time and effort and concentration in order to do a good job. But at the same time, I found something, it was something that was very satisfying and something that was very motivating to work with Ryan and to help me finish this study. And I felt that mentoring was a two-way street. It was something that I felt I was giving to Ryan and something in the process through teaching Ryan things about clinical research that I was also gaining. And so the process of doing a literature review, of teaching Ryan how to do a literature review of how to calculate a sample size, at the same time helped me understand how to do those things better. But also, I felt that I understood what being a mentor was about, which was not just kind of teaching Ryan things, but also to try to help him realize his short-term and long-term goals. So one of the things that Ryan was interested in was going to medical school. And so I thought it was a great opportunity to help expose him to things that I was used to doing in medical school. And so, for example, I connected him with surgeons at our breast care center. And so he had his very first experience in the operating room, which I thought was a great thing for him to experience while doing this at the same, but while doing research at the same time.


Do you have a tendency to overdo it and over-train and is that what's getting in your way of getting an amazing body and great results? You're gonna love this our first caller is Lauren from New Jersey. Lauren. How's it going? Hey guys, how are you good? What's happening good? What what an honor it is to be here with you today This is totally inspiring for me. Oh, thank you. All right So I kind of have to a two-part question First part is I'm actually just finishing up maps split By the way, I loved it. I totally appreciate The effort you guys put in sequencing the exercise. I had done splits before I had never done anything like this that had such You know precise phasing I love the process of it too. So that was awesome and And you know following through with the step counts in each phase and then getting Progressively bigger each time I'm not gonna lie toward the end It was a real challenge to complete it, but I'm proud to say that I completed every workout I hit every step count and I'm feeling really good. I'm just wondering where to go from here. So That I am someone who normally works out seven days a week I have a tendency to over train and over do it, but after doing your program was the most comprehensive program I've ever done I'm just not sure where to go from here. Certainly. I upped my activity level with it Toward the end and I know that for me that that's not going to be sustainable long term And I had really good progress with strength gains. So I'm kind of wondering Where do I go from here? I've heard you guys always preach that less is more You know training the three days a week full body I feel like that would be a lot less than what I'm coming from and I'm just kind of concerned about losing strength And losing progress Okay, Lauren now in your in your question that you sent in you also said you're recovering cardio addict and you Admittedly have a tendency to over train, which I would have guessed because the first program that you pick from us First yeah, that's one of our highest volume like kind of bodybuilder style workout programs So do you want the advice that's the best for you or do you want the advice that you want to hear? I? know Really, I think I really need some tough love from you To hear what you know to hear what what I need Okay, you know to kind of move forward. All right. All right.  You've done maps split It's time to move into a program that trains different planes of movement that works on mobility Don't worry.   Here's the best part You can do maps performance six or seven days a week So three days a week are the resistance training days the other days are mobility sessions And if you like movement and athleticism You'll love the mobility sessions. There's still somewhat of a workout. It's much less intense But they're gonna improve your mobility and your ability to just connect To different movement and they're gonna help facilitate recovery. I think that's gonna be the best Next step because you just you're I mean map split is literally I mean one of our most advanced bodybuilder Volume-based workout program. So I'm not gonna put you in another Program that's similar maps on a ball it would be great to but I think because you just did split I think performance is gonna benefit your body so much And if you trust what I'm saying and you just do it and don't judge the process but trust the process You will be very very happy with the results you get from that program I'd like to I would have liked to have seen her do anabolic then performance But I can I can concede to performance. I mean, I think I think performance is going to tremendously benefit her But I think what would be best for her her body her personality type and the things that she tends to do Would be to get her out of that you could make the argument that it it's Gonna be very difficult For her mentally to make that shift But personally I would love to see anabolic then performance then aesthetic and then work your way back to a strong or a split Type of a routine that yeah, I I agree. I do like that that suggestion I think that that's probably the best but it will be mentally Difficult again to to make that dramatic shift because you're gonna be learning a lot of Moves and things that probably you're not very familiar with so, you know stick with it and stick to the program and plan as As much as possible and trust it It's gonna be outside your comfort zone for sure and not that it's not gonna be fun It's just you know, look at it as a totally new thing that you're you're there to kind of educate your body And go through the process and the volume and mass performance is really appropriate It's not a super ridiculous high-volume program But it's not super low either though it isn't but the mobility sessions are good and you know what you're buying Well, here's what I forgot to add this too because Lauren wrote in her question and I read your question You didn't just go into map split from beginner. You were doing Mike Matthews You know split routine before you went into that, right? Yeah So I kind of first got into you know I first started kind of seeing the light of resistance training And started doing far less cardio a couple of years ago and I found Mike Matthews thinner than you're stronger I was doing his five-day split program, which was great and knowing my personality I turned it into a seven-day program. Yeah, and then at a certain point I just frankly got a little bored and I and I stopped seeing progress and I was a little frustrated So that's when I found that yeah And with with his pro because I know his program very well Mike's a good friend of ours great guy Really smart guy in his program places a heavy emphasis on you know bench presses and rows and overhead presses So that's why you went to perform. Yeah, and then he's and then she went to split which is bodybuilder It's also very sad. So I see where you're going with that. Okay. I see you're going that takes it because you're She's gonna see a lot of she just sees some significant progress because of that where maybe she'd see a little less progress going to Anabolic yes, it's similar enough even though it's different. Holy new stimulus But okay that being said then this is what I would love to see then I would love to see performance right now Then to anabolic. Yeah, and then when you go into anabolic, I would actually Use the mobile mobility sessions from performance and add them to my trigger days Yeah, so if you like if you like the you know six-day seven-day routine and You and you want to do more I think you you can do more just more of the right things for your body that you'll get the most bang for your buck And what that would look like for someone like you in my opinion would be the mobility sessions from performance And you can go ahead and add those into anabolic when you go into that So I go performance and then anabolic with a little combination of the mobility And here's why you're lucky Lauren because we recommended two programs now We're gonna give you two programs for free, but I you know what I think we're I think we're Underestimating how much she's gonna enjoy performance because she did marathons and triathlons is that correct? I love the lunge matrix. Yeah, I love the process and I'll tell you this. I already have those programs Are you in the private forum because I would love to follow up I'm not in the private forum. Okay. We'll do that. Let's put you in the forum for free I just want to follow up on your progress I think actually because I know you did triathlons marathons. You like functional movement You like the sport aspect or that that aspect of training probably you're gonna love maps performance It's gonna be a lot of fun Training in that way and then once you see how your body responds That's it. I think you're gonna be sold on training your body appropriately. So let's do that Let's put you in the forum tag us. Let us know what's going on Adam gave great advice maps performance to maps Anabolic using the mobility sessions throughout both of them. I think that's great Thank you, that's that's awesome and and I just want to reiterate again, you know I work in the fitness industry. I'm a GM of a fitness and wellness center. You guys have inspired me so much Mainly you've really opened my eyes to a lot of the mobility stuff I had prime and I've you know, brought those skills Into the programming here by encouraging the staff to add more mobility more functional movement Especially into our group exercise program. We have a big Population of active seniors here and they're just loving it I think the stuff that you guys say about making people feel good Keeps them coming back and I think that's what it's all about.  Am I am I wrong or am I right? It's so true. You know, it's some you know, I fall into the camp, you know adherence is never my problem I'm like, you know, all or nothing, you know kind of personality and I I tend to over train and push myself I would never tell a client that of course we always train our clients better than ourselves So try and put yourself in those shoes and you're more likely to give yourself better advice. Thanks for calling. Thank you Lauren. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. No problem people don't realize that The vast majority of people in the fitness industry Have somewhat of a dysfunctional relationship when it comes to exercise. They do a great job with their clients And they would give great advice to the clients. But and by the way, this is so many trainers and coaches fall into this applies to me Yeah, okay. This I'm I'm talking to me one of us heroes Yeah, it's it's so hard, but I've had to do that myself. Like what would I tell my client to do? Oh, it's not what I'm doing now. So it's really really challenging when you're in that position So I know what I know what she's what is that paradox that causes that dog That's like you see that even like with with therapists and people a lot of times doctors. Yeah, they're talking to themselves Yeah, right. We it's like that they're they're preaching this message and they're really communicating their own stuff Oh, yeah doctors and nurses are the worst patients. I think a lot of professions are like that You know, you see that even in like people that are like inspirational speakers and stuff like that Then they're all depressed at home and you know what it is I think what it is is the you know if I if I'm talking if someone's helping me with let's say a Disordered eating the person who struggles with it Who makes this their passion and that's their expertise? Probably will understand how to communicate to me the best and do the best job I really I really believe that so I think that's probably part of it You know like I know how to talk to people with this kind of relationship with exercise because I live it I think more of it is you're working your own shit out I think subconsciously, you know maybe what you're supposed to be doing for yourself So you're you're comfortable with saying it you're relaying it. Yeah, you're not internalizing right exactly But then you still struggle with taking your own advice about it But you but subconsciously you know better because you either have read or you've learned over time And so you do better with communicating it to others, but then taking your own advice is one of the hardest things to do Hey, if you enjoyed that clip you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe


What's going on guys welcome back to the channel critical overload here She's talking about Jordan pills nope in this video here again today now a tweet from monkey pop reductions has gotten everyone in Anticipation to get got everyone's eyes peeled giving what the tweet stated in regards to the release of the Pending soon to be released second trailer for his film coming out in July or that's supposed to be coming out in July So the tweet from monkey pop reduction said looking for the second nope trailer keep your eyes peeled So then everybody started thinking this was like less than a day ago at this point Everybody was thinking oh, it's gonna come this morning. It's gonna come sometime this week. I'm gonna say yes It will indeed come sometime this week. I'm betting it'll be tomorrow on Thursday It can still come at any point in time this week or it could be something from next week We don't really know because they didn't say when it would be coming They just said keep your eyes peeled So we hopefully will get to see another look at the film a scene more of what people saw at cinema con regarding that new Footage getting all the confirmation that we need about it being alien invasion based movie or having some type of alien invasion influence but the other thing I want to talk about was this image that was shared by I Think it came from Fandango originally where you see a Kiki Palmer's character looking out a window And what I can only assume is the Hayworth house But the details about the house are what is intriguing to me or interesting to me I think I touched on this briefly in regards to another video where I talked about the things you can expect to see in the next New trailer from what we saw at cinema con or what was shown at cinema con if they included in this new trailer That's coming this these like there's like dried up stains on there on their house If you look at this image the dried up stains seem to be just blood because I think in one in one of the descriptions for this Trailer it mentions that blood is dropped onto their house or something like that So that's something to expect also. It's not even that as much as it is This is the second image where I've seen something that screams dried up blood on their house the other one is the one where you have Kalia in the center while Kiki's characters in the background and Their house again when you look at it looks like it has dried up blood on it Almost as if the blood was dropped onto their house. Where did the blood come from? We can only assume it came from the alien spacecraft The other thing I want to touch on before I get into another things that a lot of you probably can start also Avoiding certain things is a description that someone took a screenshot of of a conversation They had on reddit with the same user who was making comments about the test screening They were at but they went into a little bit more in-depth conversation of what they thought about the movie with them And then this got shared with me So I'm gonna just go over what it says here on in this video with you guys So when asked about if the movie was good they responded with it's all right, I guess nothing too crazy I think I was expecting a bit more of signs kind of movie from the trailer However, it's very much not focused on aliens But a UFO alien ship with a mind of its own It hides behind clouds and sucks people up the cut We were shown was very unfinished and I'll be surprised if it's ready by July a lot of the VFX Specifically in the sky, which is pretty crucial to the film was unfinished and look goofy as hell This hindered my experience a bit because it made some intimidating suspenseful moments look funny And also prevented me from understanding what the intended look of the big bag UFO was meant to be the cinematography Was good, but nothing special Score was good, but also lackluster in some parts because we're told it is also unfinished overall This is Jordan Peele with the last amount of stuff to say which I don't mind at all But the simple story is also bogged down by weird pacing where the film actually tends to drag and a particular storyline Evolving a character back story back story never really meshed with the rest of the film All that being said looking forward to seeing the finished cut when it releases I can see this film being heavily altered between now and then now the biggest thing that was interesting with that Screenshot was how they talked about it's very much so focused on a UFF or a UFO Ship with a mind of its own and it hides behind clouds and sucks people up Now that's what we've seen from the trailer so far But the other thing that I've been told apparently about this movie is that there is an alien presence that you will get to see in the movie People who have just been to these test screens apparently have seen my videos and they've decided to reach out to me to confirm certain different things now This person is saying that the presence is really more so the UFO more so than the aliens But I've already been told by someone else who apparently saw this movie at another test screening that the alien Presence is going to be known you're gonna see these aliens and you'll get to experience what it's like with the characters as they are Becoming I guess involved with these otherworldly entities but We'll see what happens because honestly it sounds like there's a bunch of different cuts being shown to people at this point The unfinished VFX seems to be the consistent thing a lot of people are already dog in the movie They don't think it's good or they think it's bad The other thing I want to talk about really quick is that yes The plot has actually managed to leak online Now I say this because of the fact that it is actually out there on reddit So I would avoid this nope subreddit for all of you guys out there They don't want to have your movie spoiled or have the movie experience spoiled for you The other thing though is while I haven't read it This seems to be a copy and paste Of what I've already also seen leaked on On twitter so I recall there was somebody who had seen the movie of carrying that guess at a test screening They started sharing spoilers right after the test screening happened over on twitter So you might want to start taking those precautions already to kind of have things muted Uh start restricting certain terms so they don't come up in your feed But the official plot itself I guess If you want to take this with a grain of salt you can but if you want to just take any and all precautions There's a plot that has leaked out there that's being spread on reddit and on twitter I haven't read it in depth, but I've noticed a couple of key words that point to the fact that this is the same exact thing From what I saw over on twitter So if you want to avoid that take everything you need to in terms of repercussions stay off of the nope subreddit stay off of Certain things with twitter start muting certain search terms because the spoilers have already started despite of course the movie not being released until july i've also been made aware apparently that there are some Delays with this movie that have been going on not for the states just yet But there are delays that have been going on I guess this has to do with of course them wanting to finish the vfx And make sure they put out the best movie possible with the finished product So hopefully we don't get any delays from the july date But it seems like that's of course something that's still highly possible with the other dates being delayed So we'll see what happens with this movie when it releases and how it ends up being and what The movie reception will be for everyone that goes out to see it I'm still looking forward to the movie I can't wait to see it definitely want to see what jordan peel has to say this time around Even though it seems like a lot of people are already confident that there is no social commentary about it What I do think there is is going to be something that's very minor in terms of another social commentary aspect Even though it's not on a scale of get out in us Let me know what you guys think about that down in the comment section below If you haven't already of course, make sure you subscribe turn on positive kids You're never miss a video in the description. I have links from social media accounts on my facebook, twitter and instagram You can message me there of course limiting the movies news or reviews You're letting me to cover in the future and with all that in mind guys. I will see you in the next video


Bill just left right now. I planted a camera in the Corvette because nobody did the camera is in there. And so I thought it would be a really good idea to do the moaning while on the phone prank. I'm gonna start the initial phone call and then just drop the moaning. Babe. Oh. What are you doing? Oh God, that hurts right there right there.  Oh. Why are you moaning? Who's over? Hurry. That. I need to plant this camera in the car. So I gotta figure out where to plant this camera. I'm going to explain everything in a second but I have to put this in here quite before he catches me. So let's take, let's put it somewhere. All right guys, the camera is planted and I will see you guys in a second. All right, babe. Are you leaving? Yeah. All right. How long are you gonna be going for? I gotta go home depot for the post office too. I'll be like at least an hour. Perfect. But I'll tell you when I'm coming home. All right. I got a lot to do. I'll be there for you. Okay. All right. Love you. Love you. Bye. Bye. And welcome back to our channel. As you guys just saw, I planted a camera in the Corvette. He has no idea that the camera is in there. I hit it in a really good spot so we can't see it but Bill just left right now. He just left to go to Home Depot and run to the post office to drop some stuff off. And so I thought it would be a really good idea to do the moaning while on the phone prank. So what I'm gonna do is I'm actually going to call him. I'm gonna wait to see when he's at Home Depot when he's actually in the store. And I'm going to call him and like do the whole thing. That is how it's going to go down is I'm gonna start the initial phone call and just ask him a random question and then just drop the moaning.    I then hear me moaning at the same time. So I actually have a really funny idea just to make it so it's not as like cringy and awkward because I think no matter what I do the whole moaning stuff is so cringy. So as you guys know me and Bill do work out and I'm going to be moaning while using this. So I'm gonna be like rolling out my leg and be like oh yeah you know like that hurts like right there right there you know like just being funny but really I'm moaning because of this which I'm really excited to use this because it's been leg day and I need to roll this out. But I am like super nervous to see how he reacts. I know he's going to be like what the hell? Like who's over at the house and I'm gonna put you guys up in the corner of the bedroom.  I am just so excited because T. Mariah you guys already know is coming back with another video with another prank with another fire lit content. And as you guys haven't seen yet which I'm sure you guys already have if you haven't make sure you go check it out but Bill decided to prank me and go on a date to Hooters. So babe this is what you get if you guys haven't seen this video go check it out but this is what you get baby for taking me out on a date to Hooters.  I told you in the video that I was plotting something. I was plotting something and this was my plot. I'm about to get you in your feels. I'm about to make you drive home and rush home to see what I'm doing you know. Guys it's about to be lit.  I want you guys to comment down below prank letter by letter. So P-R-A-N-K letter by letter to be entered in our post notification shout out. So if you want to be a part of that that's all you gotta do.  I'm actually gonna set you guys up in a spot that I will be putting you guys for when Bill comes home.  Oh it's about to, it's like really about to storm. I don't like that I'm home alone right now.  And oh this is gonna be so cringy. But guys this is what you guys want. You know team Araya. This is what you guys need and what you guys want. Like look at my big guys.   What are you doing? But guys ooh this is what you get Bill. This is what you get. All right guys so I set you guys up in the corner. I actually wanna play you guys this audio. It's probably the most cringiest thing ever. But I just looked up on YouTube boy moaning noises.  Guys listen to how legit this sounds and how like cringy this sounds ready. So nervous but I'm about to give him a call soon. And as you guys can see that sounds actually really good and subtle. It's not too dramatic or like fake. I feel like that sounds legit. And I know he's gonna be livid.  But really baby I'm just chilling here. You know rolling my muscles out. Why are you tripping? Why would I do that to you baby? Come on now. Think smart. All right guys so Bill just made it to Home Depot. So I'm going to give him a call right now. Oh I'm so nervous. I have no idea how he's gonna react. I know he's about to be livid. I'm trying to breathe. I'm like nervous. I don't even know how to go about this. All right. I'm gonna bring you guys actually closer. I'm gonna bring you guys like right up here so you guys can hear it better. When he's about to be on his way home I'll put you guys back into the corner. But oh I'm already cringing. I don't want to do this. All right here we go. Hey. What's up? When are you gonna be home? It's about to storm. Yeah. Huh? Right there. What? When are you gonna be home? It's loud in here. What are you doing? What's happening? What happened? What are you gonna be home? It's loud as hell in here. But I could barely hear you. Hold on.   Oh. It's not like super loud but I feel like it's like nonchalant but he said he's gonna call me back. So you guys are gonna get the footage of him in the car seeing his full reaction because I did clock that camera in the car. So just wait till he calls back. I'll be right back when he comes back. I'm so nervous. How'd I do? Write my skills down below.  Call me guys. Bill's calling. So what were you saying? I just got out of the post office. It was loud in Home Depot. I could not hear a word you were saying. Babe. Oh. What are you doing? How are you doing? I'll see you in a few minutes so that you guys over in the corner and we're gonna get Bill's full on reaction when he gets home. He's about to be livid. Like livid. You can already tell like he's like, what the fuck? Team Mariah, team Mariah. All right guys, I'm gonna set you guys up over here in the corner. Oh shoot, he's calling me again.  Just get, just, I'll call you later, okay? Who's over? Is that you? Faster, hurry, hurry. I'm gonna set you guys up in the corner over here. All right guys, this is perfect. And I'm gonna hurry up into the camera when I hear him pull into the garage. Let's freaking get it. This better be a joke. Oh my God. Bill's here, Bill's here. I'm nervous. I'm like actually really scared. He's not gonna be happy. What?   What are you doing? Nothing. Why were you moaning then? Why are you calling myself out?  I heard a damn guy. I heard another dude. Nobody was here.  Stop, don't do that.    It was definitely your voice. What you're talking about.  And even if I did have a guy here, who cares? Why are you, so you did? Did he leave? You didn't matter. Is this a joke? No, this is not a joke. It doesn't matter what I do when you're not home.  There's no guy over here. It doesn't matter what I do when you are not home. Yes it does. We're done. Do you have a guy over here? Yeah, I did. Then we're done. Bye, bye.  No, you get out of here. Why are you acting like this? This is not funny. Why are you smiling? I'm not getting out. You had another dude over and you guys were like. Hey, I see what? I was the camera and the corvette. Listen, ready? This is the side effect that I use. What? Oh my God. Listen. Why did you? Listen.   You're doing right here, man. I'm not leaving. It was a prank. Do you know what I did? Babe, I literally was pranking at people and I flicked someone off.  No, I did. I did. Why? Because I was shocked. Why did you tell me earlier? Okay, up until today I thought no. Well, I had a prank. Do you not get that you pranked me and took me to Hooters on a date? This is payback for that. What do you think that I'm gonna do?  You're pranking me like that. Pranks are not worthy enough like me. So sit back, relax. And enjoy the ride. Enjoy the Team Araya ride. Look, come on, guys. Get on the Team Araya wagon and let's go on a roll. Let's go on a ride because this is the best team. I got Bill so hard on his feelings that he tripped and I guess he's flicked and honked at people. So you guys already know. If you guys are gonna pick any team, my team. That's just cold. My team. Okay, I understand. Get in the ride. Stop, okay. Look at you guys. You're sexy. You're getting some muscles. Like your body's looking. What am I supposed to expect? See, okay. I thought you did moan when I was at Home Depot but I couldn't hear you.  But the moment you did it, I instantly was like, oh, that. Well, you guys already know. Oh my God. You already know. Okay, yeah. They already know. Okay, whatever. And the video. I don't want to get it. A, no, I gotta have a happy dance. A. No. A. A. Before video postification shout out and this shout out goes to Shayla Contos. Thank you so much for being a Barbara channel. I wish my mood was a little bit hyped but obviously, like you guys understand why I'm not right now. But shout out to you. Thank you so much for commenting down. The bunny. The bunny in our last video. Letter by letter. What are you doing for this video? For this video, I did prank. I want everyone to comment down below prank, letter by letter for a shout out. Comment down below prank, letter by letter for our shout out in our next YouTube video guys. I have some loving guys that I need to do to make Bill feel appreciated. Yeah, you do. You got a lot to make up for. Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed today's video and we will see you guys in the next video. Why don't you tell dad? Peace, love you guys.


And thank you all for coming to what has become an annual tradition here at DEF CON, which is the Ask the EFF panel. We are a selection of EFF employees from all aspects of our organization, and we're here to answer your questions. So first of all, I guess I should say a little bit about the EFF, and let me just quickly find out how many of you are EFF members. Alright, well thank you. Thank you each one of you. We rely on our membership to do what we do, and we really appreciate it. For those who are not, or might not be familiar with the EFF, we are a non-profit organization that is dedicated to defending your civil liberties online. So we fight for free speech, we fight for your right to privacy, we fight for innovation rights so you can make fair uses. If you own a device, you can do with it as you will, and shouldn't have to worry as much about things being locked down. So you have your freedom to tinker with toys and have yourself a good time when you're hacking with them. So briefly, before we get to this, what we're going to do is we're going to have each of the people here give a little introduction. My name is Kurt Oppsall. I'm a senior staff attorney at EFF. I've been there about eight years. I've been coming to DEF CON for most of that time. I specialize in civil liberties and focus a lot on free speech issues, whether that comes up in the form of your rights of freedom of expression or of privacy when you're trying to make anonymous speech and keep your anonymity online or it comes up in the context of say copyright where somebody is trying to stop you from speaking by putting forth a bogus copyright claim. And then a couple of other things before we head down the panel here. First, a brief announcement about EFF's e-voting process. So we have a AccuVote TSX e-voting machine here. And we were going to have Professor Alex Halderman come by who did some of the seminal work in hacking e-voting machines and worked with that to produce a hackable election. Unfortunately, he was not able to make it today. There's been some complications. So we're going to do a little bit of a revision to that where it's what is the coolest thing you can do with access to an e-voting machine. And we've got one. It's over by the hackers with guns booth in the contest area. And so if you're interested in trying to play around with an AccuVote e-voting machine, see what can be done with an LCD screen and have yourself a good time with it. Come by that, Bruce. Talk to us and let's try and make something really fun out of it. Brief word about the format here. So this is going to be a Q&A session after we give brief introductions. Just line up in front of the microphone as soon as we're done introducing ourselves. We'll get to each person in order. Please keep it to one question apiece. And then just go back to the line if you have another question. When you are asking your question, please don't tell us about your particular legal situation. Confidentiality is something we consider to be very important, trying to keep communications privileged. And this is not a confidential or privileged forum. So this is not the place to talk about something you're wondering if it was legal or not. If you do have a specific question and need our help with it, Rebecca Regan, who is our intake coordinator, sort of like a traffic cop to make sure that things go to the right place. She is the right person to talk to and she will help put you in touch with the right people. She'll say a little bit more about that in a second. When we give our answers, please understand that we are not giving you legal advice. This is again not the forum for doing that, but we will give some legal information and just talk about more generalities, information about the law as opposed to things which are specific to your situation. And one other last note, sometimes we may not be able to comment on something. For example, if it was something that we are involved in working on or we have a duty of confidentiality. So from time to time, something may come up if you have a question about a specific legal situation where we're just not in a position to comment and we will say so. We apologize if that, hopefully that won't come up too much, but just to prepare you for it. So without further ado, let me pass it down to Marcia. So we're all just going to very briefly introduce ourselves and give you a sense of the things that we tend to work on so that you know what types of issues might be up for discussion. So I'm Marcia Hoffman. I'm a senior staff attorney at EFF. I am part of EFF's Coders Rights Project, which is a project we introduced here at DEF CON a few years ago that works to help researchers and developers navigate the sometimes confusing legal waters that apply to their work. I also work on privacy, freedom of expression issues, computer crime, and security. Traditionally, I've also done quite a bit of freedom of information act work and so if you have open government questions, I'm happy to take those two. Hey everybody, my name is Hanny Fukuri. I am a staff attorney with EFF. I'm the newest staff attorney. This is my first time at DEF CON. I'm very happy to be here. I also work with Marcia in the Coders Rights Project and my focus is on criminal law. Before coming to EFF, I was a federal public defender for three and a half years and have quite a bit of criminal litigation experience and I hope to use that to help all you find people in this room. Hi everyone, I'm Kevin Bankston. I'm a senior staff attorney at EFF celebrating my eighth year at EFF and my seventh year at DEF CON. I focus on the government's surveillance beats. So in the past year, I've focused on convincing the Third Circuit that courts can require the government to get a warrant before they can seize cell site data about where your phone's been. Convince the Sixth Circuit that your email stored at Google or Yahoo or wherever else is protected by the Fourth Amendment such that the government has to get a warrant if it wants to seize it. And hopefully, thank you. Thank you very much. And hopefully on August 31st in Seattle in front of the Ninth Circuit we'll be convincing them that our lawsuit against the NSA for its warrantless wiretapping should proceed. So if you could send positive vibes to Seattle on August 31st, I'd appreciate it. My name is Abigail Phillips. I'm a senior staff attorney at the EFF. I focus on copyright and other online content issues. I do some net neutrality work too. That means a lot of intermediary issues, DMCA, circumvention type questions, legislation and Congress, so forth. Thanks. Hi, I'm Rebecca Regan. I'm the legal intake coordinator at EFF which means if you want something and you're not a journalist you have to talk to me first. I love to help people find the right information. I do a lot of traffic directing not only to our various attorneys but also referring people to attorneys who cooperate with EFF. We have a large list of attorneys who come to us because they work in the same area. They love the work we do. I actually just talked to a new one today who's really into what we do and wanted to help out. People whom we can't assist directly, we like to try to refer them. We also have, as you probably know, an amazingly vast and thorough website and I often help people find what they're looking for there. I'm Micah Lee. I'm a web developer at EFF and I also work on several of our many tech projects. A couple of those are HTTPS everywhere. It's a Firefox extension that uses a large list of rules to enforce HTTPS on websites you visit. Version 1.0 was just released yesterday with over 1,000 rules. You should get it. It's pretty awesome. There's also the SSL Observatory which is a project that we did by scanning every IPv4 address on the internet for the HTTPS port and gathered a ton of information about it. It's a giant database that people can do research with. Soon, HTTPS everywhere will include a decentralized observatory component so that if you opt in, you can choose to send certificates that you see to us. There's the open wireless movement where we are trying to convince people to keep wireless networks open and we're trying to help the community come up with guidelines for new standards that let you have wireless networks that are encrypted and open at the same time and other such things like that. Soon, we will be releasing a piece of software called CryptoLog which is a filter that you can use with Apache or other software that basically lets you log IP addresses in an encrypted fashion that you can't decrypt so that you could tell the difference between unique views and page views. Yes, and we have other projects as well. Hi, my name is Eva Galperin. I'm an activist with the Electronic Frontier Foundation. I focus primarily on intellectual property, privacy, and freedom of expression. I am also, I think, the only person here who does international work. So if you have questions about digital civil liberties issues that are focused outside of the United States, you can aim them at me. Okay, thank you very much then. So that's our panel and now let's turn it over to you with the questions. So please line up here in front of the microphone if you have a question and we would love to hear from you and let's start right now. Bill from Los Angeles. Bill working its way through Congress now. It's nicknamed the Internet Kill Switch. Could you just fill us in on the progress of that bill? Sure. There are a number of different cybersecurity initiatives being pushed in Congress right now. In fact, so many that there's kind of a traffic mess. The administration put out a proposal. There are several bills. There was a Lieberman Collins bill in the Senate that did have a component that would have given the President an emergency authority to, pardon me, trying to remember the exact language. But it would have given the President emergency authority to basically cut off systems from the Internet when there was a threat posed to critical infrastructure in response to a lot of public blowback and pressure and the frightening example of what Mr. Mubarak did in Egypt. Lieberman and Collins did remove that language from their bill and actually put in an explicit thing that said nothing in this bill shall be construed to allow the President to shut down the Internet, which was kind of funny. So the White House's proposal itself does not include any new emergency authority for the President, which I think was the right political choice for them. But right now the cybersecurity situation on the Hill is very confused and I'd be surprised if anything passed this year even though a lot of people would like to see something passed this year. Hey, guys. Thanks for being here. I've heard a claim that having or being responsible for an open wireless makes you, or gives you plausible deniability as to the usage if you have no logs. What's the reality of this? So if you have an open wireless, so this is something that I've heard a fair amount of and say is the notion that if I have an open wireless, well, then it's not provable whether it was me or not who did a particular thing. And the reality of the situation is oftentimes there are a lot of other factors other than the open wireless such as things that are on your computer itself or other indicia that will be used in combination with it. On the whole, it is actually a fairly rare circumstance in which somebody has been able to get out of an accusation because they said that their neighbor did it or somebody got onto my Wi-Fi and it wasn't me and more often than not under those circumstances further investigation forensics on their computer and other indicia have shown that it really wasn't the neighbor. There have been a couple of scary instances and there was one that happened in the last couple of months where it really was a neighbor who got onto somebody's Wi-Fi and did some evil things. And in that case, the investigation looking at the situation showed that it was unlikely that it was that person's computer further investigation led it to the neighbor. So there's a lot of things that are going to go into an investigation and if you're going to be relying upon the notion that I have an open Wi-Fi so it wasn't me, make sure that that's true because they'll be looking at things other than just the question of whether or not you have an open Wi-Fi. It's a quick follow-up. So you guys overall would say that having an open Wi-Fi is not a danger to being falsely accused of something. I didn't hear you say that. Well, so having an open Wi-Fi, there are a lot of things that could happen. How frequent they are is a question that you have to consider. And if a lot of people have open Wi-Fis, then that will make it available to a lot of people and it will make it so that the incidents of people who are using them for ill won't be concentrated. So one of the advantages of having a lot of people having open Wi-Fi and making it available is to spread around the risk and make greater availability for all. There are some things that you might do if you want to have a free Wi-Fi available to the people as a good Samaritan but still have your own system. You could also have an open Wi-Fi and plus you have your own system which is separate from that. And so you're helping the world out by allowing for connectivity and then you have your own traffic go through a separate system. Hi. My question actually has a slight connection to that. If someone has a criminal background, let's say hacking or fraud or something along those lines, they've completed their sentencing but they want to get involved in the community. Are there specific things they should avoid such as maybe running a tour exit node or having open Wi-Fi because if somebody were to do something illegal over that they may be instantly suspected as the person committing that crime. Should they avoid things like that and get involved in other ways? So if you have a prior criminal conviction for some sort of hacking activity, I think common sense would say be very careful what you do in the future because as you said, the way a person's background does matter to the government when they're trying to determine who is and who is not responsible for a crime. So if they have between two people who are doing the same exact action if one person's got a prior record for the same exact thing and one person doesn't, obviously they're going to focus their attention onto that person. I wouldn't say that means you should never do anything and you should live in a bunker and never touch a computer. I just think that you need to be very, very careful with what you do and take whatever necessary precautions that exist to avoid getting yourself to be the subject of scrutiny. I would also say that if you do end up finding yourself convicted again, the penalties are going to be increased because of your prior record in a number of ways. The maximum penalties can be increased under the statute and then under the kind of complicated sentencing scheme that is kind of parallel to the maximum penalties, your criminal record is taken into account so you will find yourself in more trouble and so the penalties do increase. To the extent of you're thinking about doing an open Wi-Fi or running a Tor Exit node, your background should be something you should absolutely keep in mind before you do something that could be potentially risky. I'd like to follow up just quickly also, particularly on the Tor Exit node point. There are a number of things that you can do if you run a Tor Exit node to decrease the amount of risk that you face from being mistakenly identified as the source of traffic that comes from that node and the Tor project actually has a really excellent blog post on its website that talks about some of the things that you can do to be a little more careful and if you take a look at our legal FAQ, we link to that post but we have some thoughts about it too. So there are certainly things that you can do to do something like support the Tor network by running an Exit node or another type of relay or help the community at large and take certain actions yourself that make your behavior a little less risky than it might otherwise be and that's certainly a good idea if you have a prior criminal record. And last of all, I would add that if you're not comfortable running a Tor Exit node, especially after reading our legal FAQ and the blog post on the Tor website, that you should consider running one of the middle relays instead. Hello. First I'd like to thank you for helping independent security researchers like myself tackle a lot of the legal issues. Your work helps a lot of us sleep at all at night. Thank you. Second of all, I'd like to ask a little bit of information. I know that there's a case in Colorado regarding an encrypted laptop and the government seizing that laptop and trying to get the user to disclose that password and forcing them to basically unencrypt their data for the purposes of furthering their criminal investigation. Could you tell us a little bit about that case and the work that you're doing with that case? Absolutely. And actually, I'm curious, how many people in the room are interested in that case? That's what I thought. So if it's okay with you guys, I would just like to take a few minutes to chat a little bit about this and kind of lay out the background and all of this and this may answer some other questions that some of you may be in line to ask. So I'm going to start with a little bit of legal background, okay? There is a Fifth Amendment right in the U.S. Constitution to not be forced to be a witness against yourself. And basically what that means is that the government cannot compel you to testify in a manner that would incriminate you. So we're talking about three factors here. Compel, testimony that's incriminating. And, you know, shorthand, sometimes we call this the right against self-incrimination, okay? Now, one important question here is, you know, what is testimony?  So if it's something that already exists, like if it's something that you, you know, a document that you wrote that's sitting on your laptop, that in and of itself does not implicate the privilege, all right? This is a privilege that only comes into play when you're being forced to communicate knowledge that you have in your mind. And, you know, another interesting question is what does it mean to incriminate, okay? So incriminating information is information that would provide a link in a chain of evidence that the government might use to charge you with a crime in the future. So it's not even necessarily something that, you know, it indicates that you committed a crime. I mean, it's something that might lead the government to charge you, all right? So that's kind of like the basic concept that we're talking about. And in the past few years there have been very few handful of cases that have come up in relatively low level courts. Dealing with the question of how this privilege applies to encryption passwords. So basically, can you be forced to turn over your password? Can you be forced to speak it? Can you be forced to type it into your computer? Can you be forced to unencrypt your data and hand it over to the government? Or does the Fifth Amendment protect you against that? And, you know, the courts have, you know, kind of been struggling to figure out how this works. There was a case in Vermont that was the first, you know, we've talked about this at prior DEF CONs, you know, the first to talk about this issue.  And the border agent wanted to look at the laptop and the guy said that he could.  So he seized the computer, shut it down. Later, when he, you know, the government tried to boot the computer back up, it turned out that the drive that contained those files was encrypted. And so they asked a court to force this man to type his password into the laptop to unencrypt the data.  And when he types that password into the laptop, it's going to show that he has control over those files, which is an incriminating fact. And so, no. So then the government comes back and says, okay, okay, okay, but what if the court were just to compel him to decrypt his laptop and just to provide a decrypted version of the information? How about that? And the judge looked at that, actually, a district court judge, a little higher level, looked at that and said, well, okay, it's not quite the same situation. And in a situation like this, actually, like, the government's already seen these files anyway, and they know exactly where they exist. They exist in a certain drive. And if he provides that unencrypted data, then the government isn't going to learn any more than they already know. And so basically the gap between this man's knowledge and the government's knowledge is not really, there's nothing, there's no gap there. So, you know, basically he's not really being forced to be a witness against himself. So in that case, he had to turn over the data, all right? And then, you know, there have been a couple of other cases, you know, where judges have looked at this, analyzed it all that carefully. You know, there's one in Michigan where, you know, the government wanted an individual to be forced to turn over his password, and the court said no. So that takes us to this most recent case. There's this case in Colorado. It's called United States versus Forkosu. It involves a situation where two people, they used to be married to each other, so they're now husband and ex-wife, and they've been indicted on charges involving mortgage fraud. Before the indictment came down, the police served a search warrant to search the home where they used to live together and where, you know, the woman now lives with her family. And they seized several computers, including an encrypted laptop from her bedroom. And after that stuff was seized, this woman had a conversation over the phone with her ex-husband, who at the time was in prison. And, you know, when you're in prison, they record your phone conversations. And so the government has a record of this conversation. And in this conversation, you know, she discussed the computers that had been seized and mentioned that there was an encrypted laptop and that, you know, there might be some stuff on there that the government might be interested in. So the government went to the judge and said, we would like you to order her to enter her password into the laptop or provide an unencrypted version of the data. And this is a situation like, you know, the one in Vermont basically, because we have this telephone conversation where she talked about the fact that, you know, there's stuff on there that is probably of interest to us in incriminating. And so we know that it's there. And it's just a matter of her turning it over at this point. And, you know, when we saw this case, we thought, wow, you know, that's potentially a really interesting case.  So we've gotten involved as an amicus. What that means is that we don't represent her directly. We don't represent any party, really. We represent EFF and we're basically saying, hey, you know, we think that there are certain issues that the judge should be careful of here because they're going to have big implications for a lot of people. And so this was our take on it. We said, you know, we think that providing the password, either typing it in or providing an unencrypted version of the data, is protected by the Fifth Amendment because it is an act with testimonial aspects. Basically it would tend to show that she has control over those files and it would also tend to authenticate that data. Now the government has said that they want to give her immunity for the act of typing her password into the computer and what the effect of that would be is, you know, they can't use it against her. And often that will actually nullify the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination because if they're not going to use it against you, it's not incriminating, okay? We think that the immunity that the government has offered her, which is to, you know, the immunity for the act of typing it in, isn't enough. You know, we think that the immunity in order to actually, you know, be the same in scope as her privilege would have to also extend to, you know, any derivative use of the information. So, you know, we think that the immunity covers not only the entering of the password as an act, but would also, you know, protect the data that is stored on the computer. So, you know, that's kind of where the case stands at the moment. There was a hearing on the issue a couple of weeks ago and a few days later the judge said that he is pretty skeptical of the government's argument and in fact his big skepticism at this point is that the government has really shown that the computer that they want, that they expect her to unencrypt is the computer that was discussed in that conversation. You know, the judge says that he wants to hear more evidence about that and so that's going to happen in October and we'll see if the government, you know, has any more to say on that point, aside from what they heard her, you know, say in this conversation with her ex-husband. So yeah, so that's the deal and if you all have follow-up questions, you know, feel free to bring them up and we'll talk about it more. Also, thank you for the work that you do and it's very much appreciated. A couple of years ago there was a lot of focus on frivolous software patents and the abuse of those patents to suppress open source software and things like that and I believe you guys were involved a little bit in that trying to open it up a little bit but I haven't heard anything since then and I was just wondering if you might be able to comment on where that stands if you've been able to gain any ground in suppressing those kinds of frivolous patents. So software patents and business method patents are some of the great concerns that have come out of the patent system. The patent system has a lot of problems because it locks up an idea and a lot of times people are getting these patents by bringing them to the patent office who doesn't have the time or the resources to really look at what the prior art is and allowing people to get legal rights into an idea that actually had been known within the industry previously to that or is sort of not an advancement on the art is an obvious thing to do and some of these patents then can be used to stop innovation and say that you can't have it be an open source software because it has to be licensed from the patent holder or that it even implements this method. So we don't have on the panel today Julie Samuels who is our patent lead but I can tell you just a little bit about it and you can go to our website for more information. So we have a patent busting project and that is going through the process of looking at what we consider to be some of the worst patents out there and go through the patent and trademark office to explain to them why those patents were improperly issued and this is called a re-examination. Now the re-examination process is actually not a particularly speedy process it requires a lot of work a lot of gathering information and then you have to present that to the patent office and wait for them to deal with it so we started this project a number of years ago with ten patents in mind we are working our way through them we're not through that set left there's a number of them left I'm not sure exactly how many but if you go to our website the patent busting project will give a nice graphic of where these various things are and we also have been interested in patent reform ideas there's a lot of notion out there that maybe putting some reforms on the patent office to make them less likely to grant bad patents and also through the case law system by trying to explain to courts that some of these principles in how they're applying the patent law to make it a little bit better for innovation So to answer the question a little more directly yes we're working on a lot of stuff but specifically what we are working on over the summer and which we're hoping to launch early in the fall is an entire campaign revolving around education about software patents where we hope to give people tools to understand the software patent system give them some idea of what the problem is with patents and what they can do if they're in various places in the innovation stack for example if you are an engineer and you're working for a startup and your boss comes to you and asks you, you know, hey what are you working on because we need to patent as much of this stuff as possible so that we can show it to our VCs we give you a whole little worksheet that will help you understand what your options are and what kind of suggestions you can make to the people running your company so that you don't wind up having to patent all of your work especially with meaningless gobbledygook patents that are essentially just being used to impress VCs and get money we also are working on a little FAQ for students who are doing academic research and we're working on an FAQ for VCs who we think really need to be educated about how these patents work and why a large portfolio of patents is actually not a good idea for startups or large companies and winds up hurting innovation rather than helping to foster it I just wanted to say thank you for your work I had an account on the Illuminati bulletin board back in the day when it was seized so I've been following you guys for a long time my question is on copyright law if you tilt the mic up it might catch you a little bit more my question is on copyright law I remember back when the last set of copyright extensions went through some of my friends were referring to them as the Steamboat Willie copyright extensions because every time Steamboat Willie was about to go out of copyright it's not quite yet but we're coming up on that date do you have a sense is there a set of lobbying coming up to try and extend copyright law some more or are we going to finally see some things slip into the public domain I'm not aware of anything at the moment I mean I expect that we'll see it when the time comes like you said one thing we have seen is a study by Congress that's looking at sound recordings specifically in copyright for sound recordings pre-1972 aren't covered by federal copyright law and that actually means that those don't fall into the public domain as a group until 2067 which is really long time from now and one of the proposals on the table and again this is being studied and lots of folks have had input including EFF one of the proposals would be to bring it out of state copyright law under federal copyright law which would actually mean that those works would go into the public domain sooner which would be interesting so that's potentially a positive result on the horizon but as far as the general copyright term extensions sorry yeah not aware of anything going on at the moment hi again thank you for your work much appreciated my question is about the police seizing your cell phone when you videotape something that happened in particular there was a shooting on Miami Beach a couple weeks ago where a bystander videotaped the cops shooting some people in a car and then they seized his phone searched it and gave him a receipt or whatever of seizing it my question is if you're a bystander can the police seize your phone as evidence and also on the same lines I hope it's not too much but with the TSA starting to do searches at train stations, Amtrakts and Metro can you walk away if the TSA wants to search you is there any remedy for any what I would consider a random search at that moment because it's kind of the same thing well I can speak to the videotaping of the of the arrest and I'm not familiar with the incident you mentioned in Florida but generally speaking there have been attempts by the police to kind of forcefully seize cell phones that have been used to capture like arrests made on the streets and technically speaking that's improper there's really no prohibition necessarily on videotaping there are a separate set of laws and rules regarding the recording of audio transmissions which fall under the wire tap act and Kevin's the expert on that and I can defer to him on that issue but with respect to videotaping there isn't necessarily any you know at least there's no federal crime that I'm aware of and every state obviously has its own set of rules but there aren't as far as I know of and again I could be wrong but as far as I know there aren't any laws that specifically prohibit the videotaping of what's essentially a public encounter now can the police seize that cell phone as evidence would the search warrant absolutely without a search warrant it's a little bit of a trickier question typically the police you know the fourth amendment they need a warrant in order to seize and search any sort of item including electronic devices including your cell phone there are always exceptions to that if you consent to the search they could search it if they have probable cause to believe that there's evidence of a crime that is under an imminent threat of destruction that may be an instance where they may be able to you know take that phone and seize it if they take it under that pretext they can't then decide well now that we found the video of the shooting let's also go rifle through all of his text messages and see what else he's got on there and you would have a remedy for that under if you ultimately get you know charged with a crime it would be through a suppression motion where you try to get the evidence thrown out if you're not charged with a crime you could have a remedy through a 1983 suit that's basically like a lawsuit where you claim that the government has somehow violated your civil rights so that would be your right to be free from an unreasonable search and seizure now the practical reality is oftentimes the police just take what they want to take and then you know in those instances in the heat of the moment I think police tend to make kind of snap decisions like that and so you know you would still have those same remedies I discussed in terms of like a 1983 suit with respect to your question about TSA and walking away from a search you know again like if you know if you walk away you walk away you're not going to get searched but you're not going to board your train either in all likelihood do you have a remedy again you could potentially bring a civil rights suit if you feel like the search was intrusive but I think unfortunately they probably have a hard time making that argument because the courts have generally recognized that the government has a very strong compelling interest in requiring passengers on mass transit trains and airplanes and what not to be searched in order to protect the safety of everybody else I'll add to that I haven't looked at this issue in a few years I'll admit but I do remember there was at least one case and possibly more where I should back up a little bit so there is this administrative search doctrine where the government can search you for purposes other than criminal law enforcement for example when they stop you you know when they do drunk checkpoints that's an administrative search because the main purpose is not to catch the it's not to give you a ticket for being drunk it's to keep the drunks off the road and keep everyone else safe this has turned into a very broad exception for searches it's also used to justify searches at for example the airport because the purpose is not to catch criminals it is to stop bombs and other weapons from getting on the planes and the case that I recall did involve someone who had entered the security area and then decided oh no wait I don't actually want to go through this search and was like no that's okay I'm not going to get on the plane and they insisted on searching him anyway and the court did uphold that search you know once you had entered the area where the searches are occurring you've essentially consented they sort of mixed up the doctrines of administrative search and consent to search but either way they did uphold that search in many ways you know as handy says but the authority figure will make a snap decision and ultimately unless you want to physically resist which is not a good idea it's not really going to matter what the law is what the law is is going to matter if and when you sue them or they prosecute you afterwards and if you are going to be photographing or videotaping police in a situation where they might seize your phone I think a technical solution is good and not just relying on cops not breaking laws or anything like that and there is a smartphone app right now called OpenWatch which you can record audio or video and it uploads it to the internet immediately and I think that there's other apps and cop watch type apps getting developed for smartphones and I think even the Google Plus app lets you upload pictures immediately so that might be a good idea to enable so that if your device does get seized you have a copy of it so thank you let me add one thing real fast and I'm sorry to interrupt but like I said there is no federal law that covers the crime of videotaping an officer now that doesn't mean that state laws will always have their own contours but there can be other instances where state law can be a different state law impeding an investigation or obstruction or any of those things can be used and try to stretch to fit into those facts a useful resource the reporters committee for freedom of the press rcfp.org they have some various FAQs and 50 state surveys where they try and provide information to journalists about these sort of issues whether they can tape what the law is in a particular state it's a valuable resource so check it out for your own state I second that it's great it's called can I record so just google or yahoo for can I record and you'll find it actually that was a good segue for my question is your foundation doing anything to defend a journalist named Julian Assange do you have any general observations about wiki leaks do we want to start with twitter our most direct involvement go ahead start with twitter our most direct involvement in the controversy over wiki leaks is the government issued a court order to twitter to obtain logs regarding a number of people related to wiki leaks including mr. Assange and we represent one of those people and are working with the lawyers who represent several of the other targets of that order in resisting that order twitter did a mitzvah did a wonderful thing in pushing the government to consent to the feeling of that order such that we could come in and challenge it and that case is ongoing in terms of general observations I think one of our main general observations which we posted on our blog is that ultimately wiki leaks is a publisher the first amendment protects publishers whether or not you agree with wiki leaks tactics or politics is beside the point legally speaking the first amendment protects the publication of true information and the supreme court in the pentagon papers case made clear that in terms of the government wanting to exert a prior restraint on that publication the fate of the nation would have to turn on it basically they have yet to explicate in a particular standard yet that pentagon papers decision was somewhat fractured but it was clear that government would have to meet a very very very high standard if they wanted to legally compel the stoppage of publication of the wiki leaks material any other thoughts or comments I just want to note that this is a subject that we've been watching very very carefully and speaking from the perspective of the legal team you know we're often looking for legal disputes to arise and figure out the best way to get involved in them and you know at this point this is an ongoing criminal investigation and you know we will be very interested to see if any legal case actually ever comes of it but you know at this point we've been as involved in the criminal investigation as we've had an opportunity to be so it's something that we're continuing to keep an eye on and you know we expect to watch very closely for developments I was excited to hear that you're working on standards really into having Wi-Fi networks that are both open and encrypted because that's such a ridiculous hole in technology right now can you talk a little bit more about those efforts and most importantly what's the current prediction for how soon we might see that like wide scale and you know consumer equipment so at the moment we are so what we're trying to do is convince other people to work on these standards and maybe work on them ourselves if possible but but some things that we want to come out of it is have open networks that you don't need a password to connect to but that has encrypted communications and we want to make it so that you can segment your network so that people from the public can connect to your network but not actually have access to not be able to create routes to your hosts so that you don't have to worry about people hacking you because you're providing open networks and bandwidth prioritization so that if people are like using a ton of bandwidth that your bandwidth gets priority and all these things and so we want to come up with new standards and hopefully sometime get them built into routers and network cards what are your expectations right now not yet it's we haven't done all that much so far but yeah cool I just want to say props EFF and my girl Jennifer back in the day my question is based on sort of some recent current events where a Middle Eastern country took a database of people of interest and ran this against a social networking site based on this information they identified potential sympathizers of a controversial flotilla I was wondering if there was any protection under US law that may allow or prevent activity like this and I'd cite examples such as world trade meetings and things like that where people are being denied entrance based on their associations rather than proven information well one of the things that actually was kind of an interesting talk that occurred earlier this week was a study showing about facial recognition and using that by comparing it with social networking people were able to use facial recognition and look at the database of faces that were up on Facebook and other sites to find out a lot about people and this is one of the things that happens when a lot of information is made public we're just going to keep this sort of general legal information as opposed to sort of specifically about a particular flotilla or not but the issue that arises here is like in the United States law which is a lot of where we're focused you have some privacy rights and they're about public disclosure of private facts but it's not a very good argument that a picture of yourself that you post on a social network is a particularly private fact the private facts that is generally considered sort of the intimate details of your relationships with your significant other whether or not you're gay these sort of private facts that somebody might know about you and then they publicize that that could be the public disclosure of private facts when it is something that is available to the public very widely you're not going to get a lot of traction on saying that that is a private piece of information that can't be used and this creates a lot of issues I mean not just in this sort of the sphere where people are using the information to ban somebody from a particular thing it can also be used by government one of the things that is the test for whether your fourth amendment rights and how they interplay is the reasonable expectation of privacy as more things become public then there's sort of a different set of arguments about the reasonable expectation of privacy one of the things that we push for with social networks is to make sure that people are doing good practices by making sure the customers the users of the service know what they're doing know what information is going to be public and which information is not going to be public so making informed decisions we don't like it when something is required to be public so that you can't put a setting that is more restrictive than public on it but this is an ongoing an ongoing battle sir good afternoon my question is someone in alignment with the gentleman I think for ahead of me talking about random searches at public transportation areas but mine is about an American citizen a US citizen coming into the country from overseas from Canada, Mexico and being required to provide a laptop and then provide a decryption key if the laptop is encrypted what about the constitutional you know fourth amendment unreasonable search and seizure protections and things like that thank you so the fourth amendment generally protects against unreasonable government searches and seizures and what that means is that you know if searches as a general matter the government has to get a warrant in order to do a search this is not the case at the border at the border the courts have decided that a search is reasonable because it's at the border and so no warrant is needed and in fact for the most part they can search your stuff and you know most of your you know person without you know a modicum of suspicion you know they need reasonable suspicion when it's an unusually intrusive search and when I mean unusually intrusive I mean like the interior of your body now there have been several court cases that have examined how this applies to laptops and you know there are lawyers who have made very valiant attempts to argue that a laptop is not like a suitcase it's not like a briefcase it contains a whole lot more information and it is a very intimate portrait of a person's life and it is a very intrusive search and unfortunately the courts have not agreed and the state of the law as sad as it is is that the government doesn't need any suspicion of wrongdoing whatsoever to search your laptop in order and in fact they can just do it randomly in fact if they wanted to they could probably search everyone if they had the capability they might and so you know I think at this point in time the best solutions are probably technical ones and not legal ones or legal remedies that is and in fact one of my colleagues that's shown one of our senior staff technologists and we're working on a white paper that is a comprehensive examination of the technical solutions that are available for people who want to protect their data at the border he's going to be discussing that at CCC in Berlin later this month and if any of you are going to be there you should go check it out and for those of you who won't be there keep an eye out for our white paper which we plan to post on our website soon but technology solutions aside what I'm hearing is that an American citizen has no rights at the border unfortunately you have very few rights at the border even American citizens so we are out of time thank you for all the great questions we're now going to move on to the Q&A room also just one last plug of those of you who might be interested in playing around with an e-voting machine we have one set up over at 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