The floor may not be in the robot.  That's not the right intro. But, Sam, I actually thought it was the right intro. No, it was not. It's because that intro was made one year ago in 2021, with the old design.  Alright, God damn it, Sam and Mike. Such choices. And don't ever call us buses. Just to let you know that this is still the new era. The floor may not be in the robot. I want to begin this story by saying I am a person who loves software and consoles, and I will always be a fan of them. The world of technology and gaming was always so fascinating to me, to the point I dedicated myself into making software myself, having developed a few applications and also repairing hardware issues, mostly on consoles which is my specialty. However, one issue turns out to be the reason why from now on I see this work in a much more cautious way as of now. It all started when my then-13-year-old cousin, Harry, who lived quite close to me, called me about an issue regarding his PlayStation 2 console. Apparently, he had replugged it after some time of not using it, I remember it, we had played many games together, and after some time, it started to have apparent issues regarding a malfunction. I immediately started, as I knew it would be another issue to learn about, and also, Harry saw me as an inspiration, as then I was just beginning to thrive in this sector, and he saw me as probably an idol as we played many games together. And also, I had assisted him, every time he had a problem with his consoles. 20 minutes in, I arrived at Harry's house, where he immediately greeted me, and talked to me about the issue with his PS2. I decided to go and turn up the PS2, as Harry had reported me about a red screen showing up when he booted it up. I knew what he was talking about, it was the infamous red screen of death many people dread, and I admit I was creeped out by it as a child myself. Nevertheless, I turned on the console, albeit without a disc in order to see how it boots. I clicked the start button, opened the TV, and saw the normal blue PS2 startup screen, although it took much longer for it to fade away. Then the red screen showed up, but unlike the normal please insert a format disc text, it showed a text I had never seen before. Your PlayStation 2, SCP H-39000, has malfunctioned and cannot boot properly. Please power off the system unit before more damage can be done to the internal components. Press X to turn off the console. I was shocked to see this message, as I had no idea on how would this message appear. There is no way that such damage could be done to the internal components of it, as Harry told me it was just five months the time he did not use it, and then it functioned perfectly. He also told me that it was yesterday, when it appeared and there were no signs of it, including not even overheating, as normally a console would react to this scenario. After hearing this, I ignored the message about turning off the console, and I rebooted it manually after clicking the start up button twice. The start up screen showed up for a second time, but this time it glitched before fading away. The red screen again popped up, this time with this message. It is important to turn off your PlayStation 2 console, or else more damage will be done to the system's components. Please power off the system and don't turn on the console after the shutdown. Press X to power off the console. This time it looked more vocal in its warning, but I still assumed that it was a fraud, and Harry agreed with this, although he looked somewhat frightened at the thought of his beloved PS2 having terminal hardware failure. Still, I convinced him it could be just an issue, that it could be repaired easily, and I rebooted the console for a second time. The start up screen however, glitched immediately after showing up, and it took more time for it to fade away. The red screen popped up again, but this time will get more blurry, and with a far more serious message regarding the issue. If you continue ignoring these warnings, your PlayStation 2 may suffer a reversible damage caused to its internal components. It is strongly advised to turn off your system units by following the instruction below. Press X to power off the console. Now this is where stuff began to be actually serious. I immediately turned off the console and unplugged it, as it was apparent that the hardware could have major damage for real. Luckily, I had got tools with me, which I picked up from home, which means I could examine the hardware of the console, and see what it is run. After taking the PS2 to a table, I opened and saw the internals of it, and to be fair I was shocked. I analyzed every single component of the console, especially with internet assist, and also calling some friends of mine, who knew more about consoles than me at the time, and gave them descriptions of the condition of each component. They told me that there is no way they are damaged, and they could not believe about the screens we got. Harry also talked to the phone, and told them exactly the messages he received from the console, but they could not believe us, as they had never seen a red screen of death showing those error messages. Even when he told them it referred to the model code of the console, the entire SCPH thing above. However, they did help with giving me useful information about the hardware of the PS2, and how would they look if there was any damage on them. The hardware had actually no visible damage on them, neither the console had picked up dust from the internals. It didn't have some, but I cleaned it. Also, I searched on my phone about the errors we received, but for some reason, the only search results on Google were about only the normal red screen of death. There was no actual info about the ones we saw, and I became even more confused. Still, having seen that the hardware were in fine condition, I decided to plug again the console and reboot it, hoping it was just a sick joke by Sony, or something. Harry was a bit off after this, but he did persuade me to reboot it. However, when we rebooted it, something really strange happened. The startup screen showed up, but the Sony computer entertainment letters were in red. And the two was in a somewhat lower pitch. The screen also took much more time to fade out, and the lower pitch, along with the fact there were a few red details on the screen and nerd me, and Harry looked at me with a very worried look in his face. But it was just the beginning of what we saw. The red screen popped up for yet another time, but this time it went from simply creepy to genuinely unsettling. The red part of it was even more red, as in more of a red shade, rather than the pinkish shade it normally is, and the pitch of its two was also more low. The message showed up again, and it said, Powering on your PlayStation 2 puts it at a high risk of an irreparable corruption to the system's basic input-output system. We are encouraging you to turn off your system unit by following the instructions shown below this warning. Press X to power off the console. Okay, if the situation was just weird at first, now it was getting really intimidating. I did not know a PlayStation was capable of this in case of potential damage, and even worse, as I saw before, there was no way I could figure this out, especially with no information available on the internet. I immediately took a photo of this, in order to prove it happened. Harry, meanwhile, was becoming even more anxious, as not only he still had the fear of losing his beloved gaming data, but also due to the inerving messages that were showing up with each successive reboot. I thought momentarily to find a way to extract the basic input-output system from the console, but I did not, as it seemed to corrupt, allegedly, as of now. There was no other choice, and I could not simply just trust a message I had never seen before on an existing PS2 model, so I just rebooted the system. It is also worth noticing that when I pressed X to power off the PS2, before clicking the startup button, the PS2 button effect was also under a lower pitch. Rebooting it turned out to be a really bad idea, as now the startup screen was covered in static. I could faintly see the Sony computer entertainment text. This time however, instead of just fading away, it glitched up, making the typical glitch sound. And the red screen of death appeared, this time however, in its most satanic variant. The entire background was red, and the cubes were light but barely visible. The music also had changed, this time to a more hellish tone, instead of the whoosh we heard before previous times. Harry just looked at me, clearly petrified and unable to even speak at what he was seeing. The message that showed up this time, seemed like the console was talking to us, and warning us to prevent its apparent death.  Listen to this message, and don't power on your PlayStation 2 after turning it off. Press X to power off the console. After the last phrase, which was on every single error screen we saw, showed up. I tried to press X as soon as possible, as I realized that this is way more serious than it seemed, and was an error that was way more severe than I had ever seen in my life then, and even now. Both Harry and I decided to turn off the system permanently, and just take it to a local shop, in order to analyze it further. But before I could just press X and shut it down for good, the screen made a glitch noise, and turned pitch black by itself. However, the console had not shut down. After waiting for a few seconds staring at the black screen, both confused and shaken of what we saw now. This message showed up, which actually gave us a small ray of hope that the PS2 would not die in its fullest, and could at least save some data. Your PlayStation 2's basic input-output system is corrupted, and it couldn't start. The only option to continue using your console is to enter into recovery mode. Just follow the instruction below. Press O to enter into recovery mode. Recovery mode? I did not know it existed. It looked like it is the safe mode we see in Windows operating computers, and allows you to salvage data and fix issues within a damaged system. Harry was happy to see there could be a way out of this, and not lose the entirety of his gaming memories, and persuaded me to enter the recovery mode. I was happy for this option to exist, even if I had never heard it before, and without a second thought, pressed the circle on the controller. The recovery mode menu showed up, with two options, either enter inside it or quit it. I did not want to quit it obviously, as the system would die instantly, so I just entered it. The screen showed up the message, entering recovery mode. Please wait, alongside the blue circles that show up on the menu, when you don't insert a disk in, and access your memory card data. We just waited, hoping that it would potentially restore the console to at least a usable state. After approximately 8 seconds, the screen went again black, and we waited to see if any message would show up, regarding any way to see how recovery mode worked. It was our last chance to save the console, and we were hoping something positive would happen. Sadly, it did not happen. In fact, the opposite happened, and in a way that has scared both me and Harry for life. The screen popped up the message, fatal error, with the background flashing between white and red, with the letters remaining pitch black. Heavy static also accompanied the screen. But the scariest thing was the sound we heard. The volume felt like it was turned up to maximum by itself, and an extremely loud noise, something between static, damaged software sounds, and even human-like screams started to play. It was the horrendous thing I had ever witnessed in my life. It felt like the console was outright screaming at us for its death, and to this day, I still hear the noise in my mind from time to time. Harry was scared to death, and began screaming and crying at what he saw. I wasn't able to calm him down, as the entire ordeal made me freeze like a statue at the mere sight of it. The screen flashed for like 8 to 10 seconds, but it felt like an eternity, due to how disheartening it was. After that, the screen went pitch black, and the console started to beep. Despite me shaking like a fish out of its water, due to what happened the second before, I just turned off the system for good, realizing it just died. Harry was still crying after seeing his favorite console, both dying and emotionally traumatizing him. I tried to calm him down, despite me still being unable to recover from the ordeal, and we sat for some time, saying nothing, before I left the house and came back home. I wasn't able to sleep that night, I had a nightmare of the fatal error screen, throwing the blood curdling static scream sound towards me again. I had the same dream for several weeks, costing me valuable days of good sleeping, and while those nightmares were gone after some time. I still felt uneasy when seeing PlayStation 2 models ever again. Meanwhile, Harry decided to reluctantly throw away the PS2, deciding that he wanted to do nothing more with it, as he was clearly scarred from the incident, and it actually took him even more time than me to fully recover from it. We never talked to anyone else about this, as nobody would believe us and think it was a hoax. Which is what people thought, when I posted the solo image I took on my phone on a forum the day after this. I did post the error message, but people replied, citing that it was impossible that such an issue would show up, and that the PS2 would simply not boot up, if it had got a fatal basic input-output system error.  After some time, I just moved on, and decided to become even better at fixing devices and developing software. And soon I became what I am now, a determined person, ready to assist for any issue. However, about this kill screen, there is still a question I have yet to find an answer for, even with my more advanced hardware and software knowledge. What caused this issue? Is it possible to happen in any PS2 model, and if yes, why did Sony would make such an intimidating kill screen for a console, popular to every age group and mostly children? To end this story up, nobody will ever get an answer on this.


So he's actually a local, but he travels all over he his moniker is the agile dad He's a father One of the things that I learned at home is that there are a couple of different conditional ways that people learn One of which is the same way that we teach children I know this is going completely against It's right here. I think we're in front of it. I know it goes completely against what I can said at the Orlando Scrum Gallery But what I'm saying is that if we teach Individuals the same way that we teach Adults all the time that they're going to be sometimes more lacking Ability to teach the way we teach our children And where I'm going with that is that You're gonna laugh I in the total that's that's terrible I think for me where I was going is that my kids we actually have a backlog at home Where we keep all my children's chores and stuff so my wife and I got together We said we need to find a better way to do this So we took my children and we said okay We have an idea we wanted to incentivize the kids to get their work done So we took and we created a natural backlog for them and we put the allowance amount in the estimate column so then my kids can come home every day and they all fight to go upstairs after school and they check the Backlog real quick and they say oh what can I work on and they find something to work on and then on Friday We get together and we get all the kids together and we just you know pay them their allowance and do our thing And they get really excited over it then my wife makes a backlog for me for the weekend We discuss what I'm gonna do. I try to cut back on my velocity, but she has none of that We go and I do the work throughout the weekend on Sunday We have a meaningful retrospective and we re-enter our kids chores So that's a little background about me a little too much that you didn't need to know But let me just get started real quickly in case you couldn't tell I'm pretty passionate about what I do My name is Lee Henson I do work as a full-time employee for version one in a capacity of an ambassador certified agile guru Evangelist whatever the case may be but I also own an organization called agile dad And the whole purpose here is to promote just better thinking better interactions So I could have named this slide deck deja vu because I think many of you will see some things that you see as a recurring theme And it's kind of coincidental because it wasn't you know by choice But hopefully I can get this eight-hour training session Which has been converted into a 90-minute package that deliver at conferences Which has been converted into a 30-minute presentation to you in 26 minutes. So let's see how it goes the obligatory ducks Any questions? Okay, good. I got them in there All right, so let's talk about the agile manifesto for a second Everyone here so far that stood on this stage has focused on the same one line I'm not gonna deviate the focus of today's discussion is going to be on individuals and interactions and I think when I was first approached about this I was really excited because dr. Coburn and I talked to Alistair and I would you know We talked about this on a plane on the way back from Orlando a little bit And it's it's interesting that when you go back to the roots of what's going on in the agile community A lot of the fallout or a lot of the pitfalls comes from individuals and interactions not interacting the way they should so From there I say the question is what if Okay, now where am I going with this? My daughter asked me, you know, she's eight. Can I go to the park dad? And I said you know I said it's getting close to dinner. I prefer if you didn't she says well What if I bring a friend I said well, you know that doesn't change the fact that dinner is coming up You know, we can't do that. She says well, what if I ride my bike instead of walk? I said honey, you know dinner's coming up and she got all men She says you don't understand me and she stormed off and went upstairs and slammed the door crying Now I thought to myself that child needs to learn to listen, right? But what did I eventually discover? It wasn't the child who needed to learn to listen. It was Me Because she was trying to tell me something completely different than what I was willing to hear So I went upstairs and approached her and said, you know What's going on and dug in and she told me that her friend who has a separated parent relationship Was going to stay with her dad for six months and she only had 20 minutes left She could play with her friend and she wasn't gonna see her for six additional months. I had I known that was the criteria I likely would have made a different decision, right? But I didn't because I didn't have all the details So agile teams are no different. They're very inquisitive. They want to know why, you know They want to know it's okay to say this is the best practice or this is what we need to do Or this is how we're going to get there. But the question that evidently comes up is why? What if we do this? We need to say what we're gonna do and do what we say in order to be successful in an agile Organization, okay, so it's the individuals and the way they interact. Now this nice young man This is a real picture of him. His name is General Dave Mice I had the pleasure of working directly under this gentleman on the Department of Interior project Now I don't know if any of you have ever done this before but this was very early on We're talking early 2000s here and let's just say Scrum and Agile wasn't very popular then especially in a government project Well, I walked in and the first thing I said was you know General Mice I love you to pieces, but I'm not nearly as organized as you are. Is there any way you can help me out? I just want to keep a running list of everything I got to do and in no uncertain words I'll take out all the expletives. He said something like boy That's gotta do to be organized. You go and do that thing. Just get it over.  So just one more thing. I realize your time is valuable, right? So I don't want to bother you with all these meetings meetings meetings. So what we're gonna do is as an organization We're gonna meet daily, you know 15 minutes same time same place But for you, I just want to check in with you every couple of weeks take 30 minutes of your time So you could say are we on track or are we off track? That's all I want. He says That's the last question you're gonna ask me get out of my office and that was the end of it But what had I done? In less than 15 minutes and probably the same amount of time I had to say it up here I established iterative development. I Established I'm gonna keep a running list of everything we're gonna do. I established I was gonna do some type of daily meeting to communicate and I was gonna enhance communications cut back on the amount of time He had to spend in meetings Kind of the holy grail, right? The problem is all too often we go through and we try to look for the silver bullet solution As I John mentioned in the last talk He said that a lot of teams try to use a tool or a method or a specific prescribed way of doing things as a crutch Right and what happens? I hear it all the time people come to me and they say, you know, we know how to spell agile We read the first 12 pages of Ken's book and we're ready to do scrum And we know everything there is to know about it. What tool can we buy to help us make this success? You know, we're struggling. So what tool we need to help push us through and Here as a representative from one of the tool companies, I'm here to tell you the tools not the answer Okay, there's no red blue blue blue pill, you know red pill blue pill whatever you want to call it If there was such a thing we would have all taken it by now and we'd all be extremely successful So if you're holding back, let me know The point is we need to figure out a way to make this man happy. Is that possible? Okay, I my challenge to you is today We're gonna find out what happened and I'm gonna create a theoretical situation here is that his project just went online or started to go online it was six months overdue and Way over budget and he wasn't very happy. So he wanted to know Who's fault it was? Right, that's a common question. Who's fault is it? So I'm here today to let the finger pointing begin and we as a group are gonna interactively figure out Whose fault is it that his project failed anybody have any guesses right up front? anyone His Tell me everything was your fault. So that's okay my friend appreciate it. All right So we need to figure out wasn't the executive was another management wasn't the team So let's go through and try to figure this out in a collaborative agile way So the first place to look is the levels of agile planning now Why do I go there because it's simple if you've ever been to an elementary school any of you? Yes The way they do it is they organize their playground Usually the kids get together by age groups So all your kindergartners play in their separate area the first graders normally interact with second graders or whatnot, right? But they segregate the fields and the reason they do that anybody know Yeah Because if they're playing football eighth graders will run over second graders That's a good analogy, but it's simple They need the separation so that they can have distinct areas that they're good at playing in right now The second graders might not need as much room as the eighth graders But this gives them all the ability to play well together Does that sound familiar as an agile organization one of our goals is to help everyone play well together Okay, so we've created these different independent layers right I call them those circles I don't have the neat little drawing thing. Sorry. So I got to use the little laser guy But we have like, you know the strategy layer Which is where our executive management lies and it kind of trickles in from there through releases iterations Continuous communication, etc. Right so my question to you is at the very outcome Does the executive lack vision now? I've been in organizations and I've been within companies and the big thing that I hear the big message an ongoing message I hear is I hear people executive level tell their teams We need to improve our product. We need to increase customer satisfaction by 20 percent We need to do all these wonderful things and I know I hired the right group of people to do it You guys can do it sale well How valuable is that advice? How valuable is it to sale well What's missing anybody How guidance where? Example Concreteness but isn't so well good enough I'm an executive for crying out loud. I'm the C blank blank, right? So well should be enough shouldn't it or should it so the question is at what level does your executive in your organization interact with the team? Do they have their finger all the way down to the day-to-day activities and they're starting to pop or they the kind of executive that wants to sit back and give this helpful advice Even though they may not realize that the advice they're giving it lacks a little bit of inspiration Okay, so here's my definition of sale. Well, right sale. Well means we got to manage the direction We got a chart course We got to have a strategy to execute on how to get there, right? But the big one is the next one we need to recognize that the executive if they don't know this is not necessarily at fault Now, why do I say that? If the executive doesn't know it whose responsibility is it to share it with them who's It's the people in the inner circle who know right? It's their responsibility to come back and say it's going to be impossible for us to execute on the advice to sell Well, if we don't have a strategy on how to get there, okay? So normally what happens and this is something that's very interesting when I go in and coach Organizations, this is probably one of the largest pitfalls. I see the executive wants to be involved way down here Why? They want to ensure the success of the work all the people in the middle aren't communicating So what happens is this executive way up here says I need to put my finger down here or else I don't know what's going on because I don't have I don't have visibility If I don't know what's going on, I need to be involved in your day-to-day stuff So it doesn't matter how graphic or how direct my vision is My advice to sell well should be enough because I'm gonna be there every day to make sure you sell well No, no, don't tie that not that way. Let me tie it for you. You know, that's the executive. We're trying to get away from Okay, so the key is we have to understand What the direction is what the course is but we need to leverage other people to help us figure that out But the big piece that you have to take away from this slide is that the executive is not at fault So let's pretend it's clue, right? It's not professor Plum with the lead pipe in the kitchen. We've already eliminated him so let's try our next example and The advice first of all that I got to give you from that for empowering the Agile team There's only a few steps. The first one is we need to learn to sell well. Okay The executive shouldn't have to give us too much more than that And if we need more than that, we need to leverage the resources we have to get the information to learn how to sell well So we need to learn to sell well Understand the strategy and a driving force behind a vision so that we can continue to be successful as a team So that's the first key Okay, there's only a few so hang in there So if it's not the executive Everybody knows right now It's always the product owner why?  Where did that ever come from? You know, they want to come to me with a 96 page explanation. I like to use an analogy. It's a simple example. Okay a Lady goes in to get her hair styled. She decides she wants something completely different If she walked into her hairdresser with a 96 page prd, what's the likelihood she's gonna get the hairstyle she wants? Pretty slim. Okay. What if she walked in with a three by five index card with marks a lot written on there? But exactly what she wants Well, probably not likely either Yet Every man in the room can attest when we walk into a barber shop We can tell the barber in 30 seconds or less exactly what we want and do we walk out happy? Yes, moral of the story is women make poor product owners. No, just kidding Well, I don't want to get shot up here Moral of the story is that we need to get used to forming the barber shop explanation of what we want and stop focusing on the Literature Explanation of what we want. We need to start focusing on how to get to where we need to be to be successful now The product owner would come back in and say I wrote an extensive prd and on page 896 section 21 a Subparagraph 4 it states that blah blah blah blah blah, right? Isn't that good enough and my answer is no Okay, that's not good enough because if you can't clearly define it now I'm not going to use the the silly template that everyone knows as a blank I would like to blank so that blank it doesn't need to go to that extreme Okay, but it should be simple enough That you should be able to give me as a developer as an architect as someone on a team a team member You should be able to give me the barbershop explanation and I should be able to say I get it It doesn't mean I have all the details, but it means I get it The same is true for a project manager. There are two different kinds of project managers Okay, the first project manager. It's my favorite one. It's the one who says I am here to remove all the impediments Oh, wait a second sir.  You're leaning too far forward.  That's the one it says She I have no idea. What should we do? What do you think help me understand here I'm new at this They're dead in the opposite sense.  Okay, so with that the project manager Should be trained to assist the team in breaking down the product requirements document if necessary They're responsible for moving the impediments So if someone comes to you like we discussed earlier and says These requirements stink What's the first question you should ask them? But there's one that I would ask first. I Would say yeah, they stink, huh? What did you do to help? Did you go and offer a lending? Did you offer to lend a hand? Did you offer to add clarification? Did you offer to give any valuable input at all? So my rule inside of the workplace is I am super flexible as a coach Right, I'm very flexible, but if you come to me with a problem, you don't sure well better have an answer or a proposed solution Or else I don't want to hear your problem because I've got enough cheese to last me for many bottles of wine So I don't want to hear any whining. No such thing as whining an agile Okay, that was my virtual high-five Good deal. All right So if it's not them then it must be the team lead, right? Because we all know these Development managers and team leads you know people who are in charge of development organizations one of my favorite stories I walked into an organization and a dev manager says I'm in charge of all the HR issues that have to do with the department I buy their software. I make sure they have the right hardware. That's my job But what else do you do? Why make sure that they're staying on track? So I went back and I said, okay, let's have a meeting got scrum master in the room This was a team doing scrum. What's your job? My job is to help remove impediments and make sure the project focuses along Grab a product owner. What's your job? My job is to focus on requirements. Make sure the requirements break down as efficient for the team Went over to a VP and said if any of these guys asked you for hardware that they absolutely needed would you refuse it? Well, absolutely not Okay, buddy. Here's your box. The dev manager looked at me like What are you doing? There comes a time in every agile organization and I'm not everyone's favorite person for saying this But there comes a time in an agile organization where certain individuals need to redefine their roles What do I mean by that? Well, there's a development manager. There's other people who are used to doing their roles a specific way It's not that they're not important or integral to the process and it's not that they don't have Contributions that they can make that are of great value It's just that if they don't adjust their roles when a team transitions from a waterfall environment to an agile environment They're gonna get left behind And as a result of getting left behind they have trouble letting go of a few things to have control over So a lot of times they're used to saying you're the best at what you do You are my best sequel server writer You know, I need you to write the sequel server scripts for this Because you're the best When in actuality these two guys just went to a sequel class they're graduating from college They're my interns and I need to give them a chance to really prove their pudding So I'm gonna have them write to code or I'm gonna ask them if they want to write to code I'm not gonna sign it to them, but I'll give them an opportunity so I can cross-pollinate between my team Now that creates a direct conflict between development manager who used to say you will do it And the team who says I'd like to have a chance of doing that So we need to understand that that dichotomy does exist and the way to get through it is to help the team understand The why's behind the what's okay So if we ask the team to do something and we don't tell them why They're never gonna want to do it But if you focus on a team and make sure you structure and tell them why then they'll want to that that desire to do it And they'll understand the why's behind the what's Okay, so My favorite line on the slide I got to read it to you The question is that the senior administrative assistant to the vice-coach here administrative director over employee satisfaction See to it that the team's needs or satisfaction was met My point being in every organization I walk into there's somebody with One of these ridiculous rules Okay, sometimes it's not as far out as that one, but somebody has some role Where they're sitting behind a desk and their sole purpose in life is what? They're not even sure what's the answer up front and that's absolutely right So I challenge each one of you to identify these individuals and to help them understand where they can best fit into the agile picture So one of my number one pitfalls that I was telling someone earlier today Is that people don't necessarily understand their roles on an agile team? So we as an organization need to make sure that everyone understands their role so that they can be productive if they don't understand What they're doing we can't expect them to be but here's number two There are two different ways to manage you can manage from the inside out Being that guy who helps you sit up and remove the chairs and really ingrained in the development day-to-day stuff Or you could be the person who stands on the outside at the 10,000 foot view and Manages by helping a team remove the obstacles that they can't remove themselves I'm gonna say that one more time helping the team remove the obstacles that they cannot remove themselves Part of empowering a team is allowing them to remove their own obstacles Okay, if they have trouble removing their own obstacles, it's our duty or obligation to help them in any way We can't okay, so we need to instill that confidence But we need to give them a chance if you're not giving them a chance then you're one of those dead project managers slash scrubmasters Okay So learn to sail well Manage from the outside in here are the seven treats of a highly effective manager Yes, I ripped these off online. The reference is in the notes section So while I'm on the topic any of you who want the entire slide deck Including all the notes of PDF fashion that you can have no worries It's gonna be published on the site from agile roots, but you can get it today At agile dad block spot comm and ad address is coming up at the end So you can go and get it. It's available for download completely free And it's the whole deck not slim down version Okay, so here are the seven traits of a highly effective manager the one that interests me the most here, right? There's two one is Improvement oriented. I can't tell you how many times I've met a manager and they've said I have high expectations for my team They do a great job. I Said well, what can they do better? They say well, they're doing a great job My answer is how many of you are familiar with forming storming norming performing anyone? Yes?  Lots of hands. I wanted to see that Sometimes once a team forms and they realize that they're a little bit different. They start to storm Then when they realize that they can work together towards a common goal, they start to norm But here's what scares me to death How many teams actually make it from norming to performing? The statistics show less than 20% do What happens generally well two things either the team norms out so much that they get to a point where they're completely stagnant, right? so they're completely normed out and You know, okay, I'm normed out and we have no further progress that we can make and you ask them So I need help, you know, David and I don't pick it on you, but I need your opinion I have this thing that I'm working on and I just need to bounce an idea off of you What do you think and your response to me is well? I'm gonna go back and talk to the team and we'll be back to you in 24 hours of that answer That's a sign that you've gone too far and you're norming. Okay The person or manager who's working with this team needs to understand that in an effort to improve You need to take advantage of those opportunities and introduce a little storm now not talking about introducing hurricane Katrina here I grew up in Louisiana. It was bad news I'm talking about introducing a small storm that helps the team Re-evaluate or inspect and adapt. Okay, so it gives you an opportunity to see where you are and what's going on inside of your organization So if it's not any of those folks, it must be the team, right? What do you think is a team to want to cause all this to happen is the team in the kitchen with a knife Anybody yes no no opinion I was about to say it is the first time I've ever heard this group silent Come on guys. Who do you think it is? Could it possibly be them? The question is Is it possible That they didn't have a clear understanding of what they were committing to Or that they weren't aware of what they should have done how many times do you hear you know not in your organization But I'm just saying in general how many times you hear someone say I opened that up and oh crap It was a lot bigger than I thought it was That's never happened to any of you I'm sure right Or vice versa you hear someone say that bug's going to take me six weeks to fix And they open it up and realize that someone commented one too many lines of code Got a question in a bag I wouldn't put that as the fault of the team If they didn't understand what they were committing to I'm not sure that's the team's fault Right Question marks the end. I'm asking a question. I'm not insinuating that it is their fault. I'm asking a question In your case, you're absolutely right. So we'll run with what you said You're right in this case. It's not the team's fault But I would challenge them in a retrospective or in some other format and ask them What could what could they have done differently? Is there anything they could have done in retrospect to make their environment a little better? Now it doesn't mean that I'm casting blame on them Because we talked about earlier and I can't you know repeat it in an eloquent way that john did But we need to make sure that we're not casting blame on someone Behavioral issues are important to understand with the team and with psychology background. We could talk about that for about eight hours Okay, so the questions about is the team being effective here is a quick checklist 10 items that you can run through just to know if your team is being effective or not Okay, these are sort of geared towards scrum because they came from one of my scrum decks But it gives you an idea of just some overarching questions that you can challenge yourself or ask your team This is something you might want to print out and put in a team area so they can see it So the last one That I have on here or I should say second to last is you need to enable the team to follow the 10 keys to effectiveness Am I about five? okay So the last one that we have to realize Is that the team inevitably has These aha moments as alistair calls them, right?  They increase my 1500 productivity and they go through the roof They do 750 times to work that they could Okay The team becomes a well oil machine Okay, and we need to look for those things when they realize that You can see Feel and smell the difference of team any familiar with agile smells Now my cone wrote about it So there are certain smells that are good and other smells that are bad Okay, these are the good smells. These are the smells of an empowered team. Are they collaborating? Are they doing team building together? Do they understand accountability? Are they being productive? Do they hold quality demos if they do demos? Are they having meaningful retrospectives? These are things that you can look at as signs of an empowered team Likewise on the flip side There are file team smells Is the team losing rhythm?  I could argue that that meeting is completely useless if it's not done right Okay, are there missing pigs when pigs are needed? These are just signs that you can look for you know credit to my cone But these are signs that you can look for to see if your team's falling into any pitfalls So there's my pitfall activation reference Okay Does the team suffer from lack of energy or they have no regard for commitment? You know, where are they do they not want to come to the demo? Did they find a daily stand-up meeting useless if these things are happening? These are warnings that you need to go on a different track Okay, so how do you fix these things? How do you adjust them? Well, you take them one at a time and you keep the team smelling fresh Okay, you can't tackle them all at once, but tackle each one individually And from there, we just have to start today You have to teach the team to realize that if you're going to give them power If you're going to give them the ability to change things if you're going to give them the ability to make decisions That they're had they have to be accountable and that great responsibility goes along with that That they need to work together as a group and play in their own playground And that they have to make sure that they understand that they can rely on others within their team to help them be successful So start today And that's all I got so You hold the keys to being successful Visit the well and drink often. I promised I published this for you. There it is Okay, you can go there today on the right hand side. You can download the deck for free I appreciate your time. And if I have one minute, I'll open the floor for questions. If not, I'm done Okay, I'll open the floor for questions I have a question. Yes. So you have this analogy about a haircut in a barbershop Man's haircuts are pretty simple and kind of uncomplicated And if you have to deliver a feature that's a woman's haircut, then it's a totally different conversation Okay, so this is good. This is a valid point He says that I use the analogy of barbershop versus salon women's haircut being much more complex than a man's haircut My challenge is if we go with a lean principle here And we say that we're going to break down the elements of a woman's haircut Well, that that would make life way easier shape everyone's head But that's not where i'm going with this where i'm going is it's the same technique That you use on a woman's haircut that you do on a man's haircut It's just a man's haircut is a shorter version of some of the same things that you would do on a woman's haircut My point being even though it may use a little different skill set to learn how to do it The fact is when you break it down component-wise Layering is the same you're using a lot of the same materials There's just so many similarities that you can capture there That's just a matter of mastering something from a different perspective that yes It's same with technical development You're going to encounter things that are more difficult But you need to tackle them each one by one until you can say you've successfully mastered them And then one becomes much like the other the goal is over time to make those complex things less complex I had a question in the back Yes Anybody who goes to a stand-up and hears Yesterday I worked on that item and i'm still not done. I'm gonna be working on that item today no impediments For three days in a row That's an example of a really bad stand-up. There are others But the point is a lot of times people don't take the accountability because they feel like this meeting is worthless I'm not getting the information I need out of it So sometimes you'll hear me challenge and say well, what if I threw it a fourth question and asked at what percentage of Confidence do you have that you're going to complete everything you've committed to? Right, so if you go through one day and say i'm 70 confident 75 confident 70 percent confident Then you come to a daily stand-up and you say um i'm 30 confident no impediments What's the team going to do? They're going to react So what you have to do is set up a way a mechanism for the team to interact better with you at the daily stand-ups And that's just one of many of the things that I teach, but it really depends on what the smell is It's like going to a doctor and saying I have a cough. I have the swine flu Okay, you need to be able to discern what the problem is and analyze that and really figure out what that's a symptom of So that's something through coaching that you can learn But more times than not people find these meetings ineffective because they're not getting valuable information out of them So you have to find a way for them to get the information that they need And still keep the meeting as concise as you can and then if the meeting's really genuinely not providing value I would argue don't have it Hi earlier you had your slide about the project being laid that general wants to know who's at fault Went through everybody and said nobody was at fault But I have to tell the general is not going to be satisfied with that answer He's not going to be satisfied with that answer because the point was that it was no one individual of those groups that were at fault In this scenario there was a culmination He still wasn't satisfied with that answer But I told you a little fib up front that project was actually successful But had it not been successful The answer that he would have been satisfied with Is that it has to rest firmly on someone's shoulders and in that case since I was his direct report And I was the person who was his liaison It would have had to fall squarely on my shoulders just because of the nature of the type of project it was Now had it been a different type of project I could have gone to a group and said here are the circumstances. Here's what's happened Here's our deltas here are new things that were introduced Here's a list of all the causes and we're going to work on each of these to try to rectify them as we can To help get to a successful implementation, you know in this case. It was a very immature implementation and just Trivia purposes here. This was the first government project to use scrum And it came in six months ahead of schedule and 1.3 million under budget Okay, and he won an award for that Yeah, he won an award for that And when I asked him so what did you do differently? He said I researched and found out about this scrum methodology and I recommend that all government projects use agile methods Anyone on stage and did that now? I could have been bitter But I wasn't because I realized that this was a stepping stone for the whole agile movement So that other people would have an opportunity to use scrum and agile in both city and county and state and federal governments But to directly answer your question somebody would have had to take responsibility because of the nature of the project That would have been me Yes, sir One of the challenges I face quite often is The problem You know, you have well, okay, we got a limited budget right and we have so many number of people on our team And we've got to get on the phone and talk to the point about this or that feature and How do you how do you avoid the problem of spending your entire budget because everyone on the team needs to be in the Meeting on the phone?  That's a very question.  It's free. You can go through that in facilitation foundation We talked specifically about having to write people in the right meetings how to save time How to disseminate information and how to get from point A to point C But last but not least I just want to say thank you.  You've interacted. I appreciate it Enjoy the rest of the conference


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Or you've been dipping back in there any time back and forth? Oh, you've been dipping back? I got, you know, I just come in and set a fan every now and then. And then, you know, I pop right there. You ain't got on me, man. Man, I know how you. I had to reach out to you. Man, come on, bro. I don't even have a look.  No, you always rock with me. Thank you so much, man. But I definitely reached out because I was like, man, we ain't sat down in a minute. And last time we kind of was, you know, we had a lot going on. I wanted to get you back in here, man. What did you mean? What did you think about this guy, man? Because he was a basketball conversation, modeling conversation going on, man. He is in the right place. I'm going to ask you about that writer strike, all kind of stuff going on in LA. I got to get with you about that because we can get into it now. Like, like what what is that temperature? Like, like everybody, I mean, face on love, call me. He was like, man, you see the writer strike? I say, yeah, what's up with the writer strike, man? He say that because people are not getting recognized for their craft, man. They're not paying these guys, man. And they trying to stream stuff and it's to change the temperature thing. Let's talk about that a little bit. Like, what is this transition like far as when you from your perspective? Yeah, man, just being on the like the inside of the industry, like me actually living in LA, living in Hollywood is actually it's crazy experience because you got to understand the people I'm surrounded with, number of influencers and creatives.  And if they're not, they're behind the scenes. So what's that production? That's the cameraman, right? So everyone has a hole to be affected. You know what I'm saying right now? Yeah, like, I remember just a couple of weeks ago when I was at a good friend of mine, she does a lot of work. I ain't gonna say the TV show. She do a lot of work. But like, just how the pace is slowed down. And it's like, they're on the fence of like, well, I support it because we do need higher wages. This is the talent. This is the production. But then she's like, I'm not eating. But then when he's mentioned that to me, I'm like, the people to me that will be hurt more are the people that are trying to climb up the ladder and make a name for themselves. But the people who've been doing it for a while, who have all those residuals coming in and all of that, they have money coming in. You understand what I mean? Of course, yeah, it's hurting a little bit, but it ain't gonna hurt like that. But it's the people who are just now climbing up, who try to make a name for themselves. That's who I see, you know? No, yeah, because I mean, a lot of things is about the industry is like a lot of people don't actually know the details that go into it.  Like I've done small commercials. I've done a lot of different things like that, but I'm considered non-union. See, there's other actors that want you have to do certain credible things on the IDBU and then that's when you can make it to SAG after and then you can, you know, submit there. But you have to be accepted even be in the SAG. But if you're non-union, you can still be filming and doing all sorts of stuff right now because then I remember Mike Bless was live and he was saying because he's union, that union saying that they can't film, they can't this, they can't that right now. Now, yeah, so they actually it actually worked in my favor, right? I wouldn't be on the control just because I already have agencies and certain things I'm dealing with. So, but yeah, on that aspect of it, like they're in the union. If the union is fighting against these people, you're not working. Exactly. Yeah, that is a rough spot to be in. Yeah, because they're fighting for the rights. You know, I haven't seen that happen in years. No, year. And it's I mean, this isn't a two or three month thing. It's been the whole year. Right. This whole entire year has been been. Yeah, but it but they have never struck. When was the last time you heard a strike? Oh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't laugh. OK, so wouldn't you think that it would be about time for the people for them to step up and say, hey, we need changes? No, I mean the thing. Yeah, I mean, I honestly agree with you because I've been on the back end. I've seen talent complain. You know, and the thing is, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I've seen talent that's done some of the biggest gigs or bigger shows in the world, but you're living in the toughest world and, you know, toughest spot in the United States. You know, so it's almost like give or take. You know what I mean? But for writers who are striking to me, just like you said, actors and so forth are being affected. But if writers are not writing, they're not making money either. So people who strike and stand up for their rights. They're also, yes, you stand up, but they can only stand up for so long because it goes to where they win. That's typically where they win because, you know, one, most shows they have already had seasons already been filmed, you know, so they can sit back and like, all right, we'll let them strike. And then another thing about the industry, people don't think about it. There's always someone trying to climb to get into it, you know, so they might be able to pay someone less just for another opportunity.  OK, so between the acting, modeling and you do music as well. Yeah, 100 percent. Which field do you love the most? Love the most.  And that's just something that was just real organic for me. You know, I am really in tune with the music, but I'm also a smart person. So I know it's business behind music.  But at the same time, I want to curate a team to really properly give it to my audience. That's kind of what I'm, you know, what industry makes the most? Honestly, speaking, I'm not going to lie. I probably would say for me or you saying this is just for you for you. Oh, I definitely say modeling, modeling. Yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah, sports was good, though. It was great if I would have continued on, you know, but once I got in the modeling of sports, you need sports, you have to think about injuries and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah. And then being away, I'd have to be over an overseas basketball player. So that's just something that, you know, it wasn't ever my ultimate dream. You know, I want to NBA or a boss. What's the hardest thing in is modeling like hard on your body? I wouldn't say something honestly. Me personally, just just with me naturally being someone who works out and stays fit, that's why I feel like it was such a normal fit for me. You know, it's not like I got to go stay fit for modeling. Like I'm staying fit. I'm a model, you know, so I wouldn't say it's too hard on your body. But I can't lie. I actually did get hurt my last set.  That was just a few months ago. Some of the stuff's been out. It's been on buses, some websites and in the gyms and everything. But on one portion of it, you got modeling, right? It's also sports and fitness. So everything you're doing in different categories of model. Exactly. So some people might see the print, which is the actual pictures of stuff you see on the wall. That's print, but then there's also going to be the commercial part. That's why people want to book a campaign because you're getting commercial, you're getting catalog, you're getting web, you're getting print all in one. That's when you make a lot of money. Yeah, but you can do that because you're taller because I remember you have certain people who will say, well, you're just a photo model because you're shorter, but you can make you look taller. You can make you sort of mean, but you can't be runway because you're shorter. Runway is really on the requirements. Right. So what happened? How did you hurt yourself? Oh, like I was saying on the commercial part, I had to do a dunk and it's real live. Like they don't lower the goals. They don't, you know, anything, you know, so it was kind of how the camera was set up because I had to get warm.  So I missed the second one in the third one. I got hung, fell on the camera and they tumbled on top of me. So I'm not going to lie. It was kind of, it was kind of rough on me, you know. But those things happened though. It happens. Yeah, it happens.  So, you know, it was cool. They iced me up. They bought me a Thera gun. They really pampered me. So I don't need to worry about much. That's dope. Because, well, that's good that you told me the different kinds. Because when people think about modeling, they're just thinking about runway. Because that's like the most popular type of modeling. Exactly. And that gives you a lot of press, but there's print. There's catalog, there's sports and fitness. There's a runway, like we said, there's also lifestyle. There's promo modeling. Would you say the most, when I'm thinking about it, the hardest thing that I would think a model would have to do would be, especially if you're a popular, well-paid, well-booked model, is to get sleep. Oh yeah. Because you would be going from venue to venue, from shoot to shoot, be moving around, flying out, doing this, doing that. And you still got to look fresh. Every time, like there's not a moment where, no, you got to cook. How hard is that? I'll say it, I look at that as maintenance, you know, maintaining, you know what I mean? Like drink the right teas, eat the right food to keep your body up, the mask, all of that sort of stuff. Because you know, my first thing, I'm an athlete, you know? So I'm a signed model now, I'm hanging out with model agents and they're telling me like, hey, can you clip in your nails and clean your nails? And I'm like, oh, I just left the gym. You see? So it was a big transition for me, because I'm just not- Because they look at all of those things. Yeah, and I'm just not that feminine, you know what I mean? You have to get waxed and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah, because I mean, a lot of people don't know about modeling as far as a male model.  Like think about this, you'll do this tonight, go see a male model with facial hair. Like there's really not a such thing. Wow.  That's a good question.  No, because there is a stereotype. I don't know- See James was on here. Let's just talk about it. See James was on here and he said he got called out like that all the time. He a model.   Because of the fact that they modeling. No, 100%.   Well, not everyone of them, but it's few. No, but they think that. No, I haven't seen a few of them there.  They'll tell you. They know what they're talking about. All of them are. See, not all of them are. Yeah, I wouldn't say all of them are. Well, the movies predict them. You remember, baby boy, old boy, I'd say $40, you know, when they were talking. No, but I used to- Yeah, man. Exactly, but I went on, what's the one with Queen Latifah? What's that? It was Beauty Shop. Yeah.  Yeah, of course. So that is a stereotype. It is a stereotype. And it's the only question that you would ask because I'd have never even thought about it. Yeah, I mean- What other people think about it? I just think there's downsides to being handsome that people don't think about that I've lived through, you know, that, you know, from assumptions that you could be downing out. People are like, oh, he looks good. So he's good. Yeah.  You know, my transition into modeling was way different to other people's because I was an athlete. So my notoriety came from this big athlete is now modeling. And then it's like, we're doing it at the same time. And then for me to go into Nike, it kind of just all worked out. And then from there, they did try to lock me into that space. But no, I wanted to go like, I wanted to do fashion, I wanted to do runway, you know, so I was able to branch out. So there is a certain space. Yeah, there's a certain, they actually didn't, they didn't even want me to, they didn't want me to ever do no more fashion, like stylish runway. It was like, no, I would just keep Adidas under them. I could have just kept going that route. Right. I didn't want to be locked into that space because you know, who I am. Because certain styles, because when you do them with fashion, especially with men, you have certain clothing that I see they put on some men on these runways. And I'm like... Nah, trust me, I've been back to them shows, I've seen it and it's like, but y'all can go look at all my pictures and you're like, yeah, I've never seen that, right? I'm at the same show. Can you choose? Can you choose and say, no, I'm not wearing that? No. So it's really, honestly, it's like, I guess you really could. You could say, no, I don't really like that look. No, but then it won't book you. Hey, have a go at it. You just think about this key. I think you're telling this designer who probably put his gloves where and tears into that look.  Well, what's up with Kanye's clothes, man?  But at any rate, the thing I'm asking you is like, I've seen his clothes, sometimes you don't have, you can't see his face. It's a lot of black and neutral colors. Yeah, well, what's up with that? What do you think about when you think about his whole flow of modeling? I have to tell people this, because they ask me stuff, it's like fashion is a wide, wide, broad. It's art.  Like, it's a real sensitive life. Well, do you, you could rock with him though. You could wear some of that stuff. I mean, I mean. If the money right? If the money right? If I was going for the shoot, I'm getting it. I'm getting it. But I'm saying if I'm going, if you hit me up with going to a dinner, I might not be in there. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. But the one thing I've always said, okay, when you see, especially runway, and you see them modeling, you know, Paris, all these different shows, and they come out with these crazy designs, I'm like, who gonna wear that in public? Like, wrangling people. For real? For real is gonna wear that in public. But how many people, like a handful of people actually wear that on? Yeah, I mean. A normal basis. And the thing is too, everything you see on a runway is a sample. So everything might not ever make it to a shelf. You know? So that's what a lot of people don't understand it.  That everything, that's the requirement side of it. That's why the height, waist, and everything has to be a certain measurement because. So they do it for the model? It's a sample size. Everything is a sample size. They produce these five shirts, these jeans are all gonna be 32 waist. Sample size, that's right. You gotta, you gotta fit that. Same thing we deal with. With the clothing, isn't it? Okay, cause you're male, cause I know females, especially models, they're so much under pressure. A lot of them end up having a lot of disorders, eating disorders because of trying to stay within those sample sizes consistently.    But you are over right now. Is that? Nah, I'm good.  But how hard is that? Is that the same for men or is it just totally different for women? I'd say it's a little different. Women, I have seen in that same situation though, you know, just because it's pressures, you know. Honestly speaking, I've seen a lot of people, some of the most beautiful people, handsome, whatever you wanna say, it's like discourage or insecure because once you leave where you're from, where you're being told you're beautiful, it goes every day and you get around everybody who's being told they're beautiful and gorgeous every day.  It's the same thing.  So honestly, you know, it's... Have you ever had to count some people for stuff like that? Like friends or somebody who can't, cause if you're in a room with a lot of people, somebody might break down and start crying.  I mean, yeah, I didn't, what? I didn't see, LA is brutal, man. I don't know if people really know the real truth about that. No, people move out there and don't make it. There's people that move back this first month. Sleeping in their car. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's expensive. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen without calling any names or anything like that? What's the craziest thing you've ever seen? Just the craziest thing I've ever seen out there? Yeah. Probably shoot, being in Hollywood, man, right there on the stars, I went to Chick-fil-A. So I was just chilling, man. It was right after the shoot, I was tired. I was in the car. So, you know, I finished and I went there like by LA, as you know what I'm saying? It's obviously legal to cannabis, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. The vibe is just a little different out there. So I was just chilling back and I see a dude, he ran out, he had no clothes on, he just started screaming.  So I'm just like, man, bro, just not today. The thing is, there's so much stuff happening out there that someone could be screaming, they can't see people don't turn or nothing. Like it's Hollywood, people keep on their business, they just want to make it home. So, you know, luckily he didn't do nothing to my car, but he went and cracked five people windshields. Like, you know, it's street parking. He ran on the back of a truck and the time I barefoot jumped through the roof, I mean through the front windshield with his feet on five different cars and just kept running. So I was like, yo. Wow. That's crazy.   It's a movie out here. Like, there needs to be cameras out here in 24-7, you know? So that was just one of the craziest things that just happened. And it was like, yeah, I like it over there.  Oh no, I mean, he definitely was. Hollywood, Broadway, it wasn't even nighttime. We were over there last time we was up there actually. We went straight over there, didn't we? Right. Oh yeah, yeah. We love it over there. I just a lot of crazy incidents and stuff like that, you know, that could, that could bring you down. Skid Row, that stuff can bring you down. You know, that's not the most positive stuff out there. Let me get you a lighter note, man.  Cause you can't get it up there. Bruh.    Like, and California ain't nothing in the eating. Everyone looks at me like I'm a vulture out there. Everyone's vegan, you know what I mean? That's right, that's right.  You know what I see? But something I really do miss, man, is just like fried food in general. In general. A lot of it, but like chicken fried chicken, let's say a country meal like that. Yeah, yeah, like grand. Until white gravy. Granny. I just said, I just said it's only gravy. Grand? They only got it in the hood. That's right, you gotta go over there. You know, California doesn't have white gravy. You got none. No such thing. The brown gravy ever worked? No. Just don't have gravy period. No, they have a little brown, but I remember a little story. When I first moved out there, I was kind of on like, you know, KFC wave.  And I got out there, first thing I went to go order it.  They was like, what is that? I was like, what you talking about? Is that cream gravy or whatever? They was like, no, only have brown and salsa. Cause see, it's the different culture out there.  Yeah, no. Who else? Grills, burgers. I always compare Grills, burgers. Sweet Georgia brown. Sweet Georgia brown. Water burger in this cafe. People talk about water burger in the south. Water burgers, they don't have that up there. No, they ain't got nothing like that, man. But they do have Roscoe's chicken and waffles. No, I ain't a lot of, you know, I used to go to Roscoe's heavy, man. I kind of just fell back. After all this stuff. Yeah, of course. I was thinking about that, like people really, I went last time I was out to pit. But we didn't go to that location. No, we didn't go to that location, but we have been in that location. I probably should have went to the one on Gower.  We, I'm hood, bro. No, trust me, I've been to that same one. Yeah, me too. A lot of times. That's probably one of the ones we always go to. That's true. That's like the original. He's like, he's gonna hit a little different than the. But then I always see them niggas outside. So I'm always leery of that anyway, but you know, the check-in method is cool, but you still gotta walk like you walk and do stuff accordingly, man. Like, you know already that if you walk in there, jeweled up or whatever, you better be strapped or something because. It's not like. I'm just being real cause you never know who making calls who gonna do this or that. And anyway, that can happen anywhere. You don't know who's sitting in their car. That's what they're doing. And they car in LA. I'll tell them out. No matter what you're doing in LA and New York, though, there's always someone watching you. I don't care what you say. Yeah. There's always, you know what I mean?  You got to, man, I might not even be here to this day if I wasn't as observant as I am. That's right. Living in LA and New York, like, it ain't sweet. It look nice. Yeah, the palm trees, the good weather, it look nice. I learned, trust me. Because like he said, it's a culture thing. When you get out to the West Coast where it's not humidity and stuff, like it is out here, you're not gonna see no one sitting outside in Texas right now just chilling, right? No. Yeah, but in LA where the breeze is, yeah. They just sit there. It's gonna be a huddle there, huddle there. Like you said, he make a quick call. Make a quick call. And we got, we got fly. And they know when you're not from there. They can tell. They can tell. Because of how you dress and how you look. Yeah. I come in that whole country as hell, asking questions as y'all the niggas said niggas up. I still don't. When I do it, all y'all niggas over here don't look. What y'all doing here? Y'all in the first place. Y'all ain't order no phone. I'm that guy, like, I'm the one coming in like that. I'm real. And niggas, I don't know. I'm just gonna ask, bro. I talk, y'all still said niggas up out here? You know what? Hey, let me know, man, for real, man. And then be looking at him like, shh. Yeah, I still, I be on it, bro. Ain't nah, but back on respect, though, cause he's like, man, look, man. You see what I'm here for? Yeah, I'm not here for that, bro. Y'all for the going with that. Like most people, I've spoken in a lot of times to get them in trouble, too. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be watching. You know already what it is, man. Not for real. I ain't trying to hear it, bro. Like it could be happening to anybody, but niggas at least I'm ass. No, for real. Just so you know, I'm on point, you know what I'm saying? So I gotta ask this question. So since you've worked so many different places, cause I heard you mentioned New York, you mentioned California, and you're from the South. Being a black man in these areas, what are the difference of how you're treated compared to when you're in the South? Versus the West Coast, all the East Coast. Yeah, North, or any of that. Is there a difference? Steel nigga, Jay-Z said. Is there a difference? There's a difference, for sure. I don't think New York, LA, or the South is the same at all. You know, when you up East, you know, you black, it's like, they don't even believe in that right there. So every time they ask me, I say in black, they're like, what does that mean?  They don't even, and I had to explain to them what, you know, in the South it's really black, white, Mexican, that's how you go up and then, you know, but out there they got Jamaicans, they got, you know, it's a whole different culture out there. But then when you get to the West Coast, it's a more Hispanic culture out there. You know, and then every person of our color, typically talent or production, they move there in aspirations or something. You know, with what I'm doing now, I'm not in Inglewood meeting people, you know what I'm saying, that's homegrown from Inglewood. I'm meeting people in my little space in the industry, you know what I mean? I like the South though, you know, that's where I'm from, you know. Hey, I told you. But do you see where people are treated? Because I'm that sick, like, when I first moved here, I used to hate hearing people saying black person, white person, all of that, because I wasn't used to hearing that. Because you're not used to it yet. Right, I'm not used to that. So that's why I like to ask a lot of certain questions because a lot of people tell me things and I'm like, really? So being there and like trying to move up in the ladder in whatever career, because I've always heard especially for males, it's always gonna be way harder for a black man than even for a black woman and so forth. But is it hard? Yeah, I think it's extremely hard, you know? I don't even honestly think it's fair, you know what I mean? Like every space I've said I've been on, it's not like I'm, you know, I'm one, I'm that one, you know, so I already know how hard it is just to expand it in my own career.  You know, so. Because they're not looking for that look. But you can't even blame that with acting because with acting whenever they write a certain role, they're looking for a certain character, a certain look. No, exactly. So you can't really, I wouldn't always say that has to do with race is just the look that they're looking for. But like even in any of those fields, whether acting other than what I'm just saying or modeling, have you ever been looked over and you know for a fact in the back of your head without even saying to the person that it was because of your race, why you were looked over? What? Let me give you a rundown of, I had a, I fell out with an agency cause you know, I've been signed out like probably in the last year, I probably signed like four or five agencies. Okay. Big casting, you know, it's huge. It was a good amount of money. Really, I'm not gonna say the company is a really big known company, you know? So I get there, I was actually really excited too, you know? And cause you could tell like when you kind of like have a better chance cause this isn't the first round audition, this is the callback. So I get to the callback, we signed the sheet to go in. You know, the first thing I noticed was the three people getting audition which was behind the cameras on the side was left, right? I mean it was white that was on the left. And they pulled five other models to the side that were black that looked just like me, right? So then they came and handed us all the paper we signed in and they said, y'all can all go now.  So I said- And they said that straight to your face. Just like that, just like that. So I'm like, to me personally though it's not nothing new cause I told you I have no rejection. Well you're gonna get told no in this industry but it's just like, I didn't appreciate it. So once I got out that door, cause you know, you gotta, you cannot react like around to certain people who could lose everything at that point. But when I got out the door, I got everybody, everybody's about to walk out to their car. I'm like, y'all don't feel the way? I was like, they just handled us. Like I don't know what y'all did to get here but I didn't have to be here. I could have been at home. I took, I caught a flight to come out here. You know what I mean? So- What did they say? Everybody- It was like, no I had never been treated like that. It was like, cause the thing is I realized like no matter how big this person was, cause it was a girl who had like a million followers modeling. But like, I'm always the person who speaks up and then everybody else comes to speak up. You know what I'm saying? Once I said something like, yeah, you know what? I'm like, nah, you know what? I thought that was normal. Nah, that's not normal. Like they just treated us like, you know? So 100% is there's not, you know, when she black, I'm going to be honest with you.  So- But then would it also be because like if you, if it's a model agency and cause I don't know a lot about this industry, you know more than I do of course. But then if you have an agency and there people are say Macy's. I'm not saying Macy, but say hi and whoever. Normally get models from this company, but Macy's normally look for a certain clientele because they're close catered to that certain clientele. No, 100%. So they're going to want that agency to get those type of models. So is that normally why they would choose certain people is because of the people who are booking those models? Or is it just the agency is just all on them? Well, the thing is, it's like, it's branding. So it's this brand or this agency or no, this brand of this company going to the agency for the booking, you know? So as far as it goes, there's always going to be some type of diversity. So even if it catered to Asians, you know? And it's like, they might book four, but then they're going to book, they're booking six models, right? They're going to book four agents, one white, one black. You know what I'm saying? There's always going to- That's how it's supposed to be.  So that's typically how it goes. But I'm not too sure after that day, I was like, dang, did they just need to say that they auditioned some African-Americans to make it seem like, you know? Cause then they already knew what they wanted. Well, I can tell you right now, man. Them knows is just opportunities where God is putting you somewhere else. And it's something you should be happy about. Cause some of those places you didn't need to be and God saved you from turmoil and dealing with some very disrespectful and hateful people. So I love God's knows. Nah, for sure. You got to learn to love God, for sure. To patience. There ain't a lot to patience. This makes sense what I just said. Nah, yeah. Perfect, right? Like you got to learn and love the understanding of when God says no. And everybody take for granted that God's going to say yes on every single situation he doesn't. So when no situation, no doors close, we always say God opened doors, no man can shut. But what about the doors that he closed that no man can open? You know what I'm saying? Nah, for real. You know? Nah, that's not serious. So you might not need to be there. It could have caused you harm or anything. Not for sure. So that's the whole part about it. Like the music though, let's get to the music cause I get spiritual and we'll get the shouting up here. Nah, for sure. But the music, like what's going on with the music? And what are you, the boogie movement coming back man? You might not get your boogie movement. Hey man, I like the boogie movement though. But what's going on with the music? But yeah man, last year I was in a management deal with some people out of Seattle, it was cool. I worked with them. We actually made a good amount of songs, it was decent, but some things didn't go right with my distribution deal that I wanted planned. My whole reason for even signing with them people. They shelfed you. Yeah. Damn. So I'm like. They will shelf you. And the thing is I make X amount of songs and I'm supposed to, you know, I don't want to release these songs as just myself. Like I signed with y'all so this can go through distribution. That's really open this door. And once it didn't, you know, pan out to be that exactly, then I just kind of fell back, let my contract dwindle away that way I could become a full independent artist again. Yeah man. So right now gearing up man, I'm just looking to, I got some visuals I'm about to shoot. I love the songs I got. You know what I'm saying? Some little bangers man. You know what I'm saying? So who do drip Jesus listen to? Like when he riding down the highway in LA going by Venice Beach or whatever. Man, man, honestly right now man, I like dirt, you know what I'm saying?  That's hard. Kind of like mainstream, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, dirt, little baby. What about NBA young boy? You don't like him? I mean, I don't like him. This is music. I know he got some bangers for sure. I'm never gonna knock, you know what I'm saying? But as far as like am I a fan? I wouldn't say I'm a fan. Why is that though? Cause the music hard. So what? He got his core base. Now he got a base. I ain't ever gonna knock him out. He's been with all this while I listened to his pipe. You know what I'm saying?  That could be it. That could be it. Dirk, Nim County, you're up there, you know what I'm saying? So just a little bit more what you could talk about, you know, so. How old is him being a young boy? I thought he might be that age. He's in 21 yet, is he?  No, I'm gonna look at this. Man, look at that. That ain't about 28, bro. He been eating for a minute. Who? He might be 22, but he's 22 max. He's 22 max, that's what I'm saying. Daniel came up on, he came up on everything. That's why, it's just something about me being 28 and I can't like, I can't just be listening. He's 23, that's crazy. And he got a son by Mayweather's daughter. He got a few kids, but they're on it, man. Nah, for sure, yes. But I think like I said, I ain't ever gonna say his music, you know, I ain't never jammed. He younger. Yeah, so that's all. I didn't even realize that this dude was that young. So yeah, I think he had it. Some hits came out five years ago. So think about that, you know what I'm saying? Yo, but like he came on and he produced some of those hits and that's why they young, man. Yeah, man. Them boys, the only though, you gotta realize them boys are more type, more type millionaires behind this game, bro. I like a little TJ, I do like his music though. Okay, he a little younger. Yeah, he a little younger too. What Dallas rap, what music in Dallas? Is it Big X plug for you? Nah, I do listen to Big X, you know. When you out there, you in there listening to Texas out there, why you in there like? Nah, yeah, I beat my big level.  Top off. Man, yeah. Man. I do like Big X, I like since she Molly though. Man, she been on here. I love her music.  But as far as Texas, after mode three, I still of course always jammed mode. Mode, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of like. We gotta get us another big hit down here quick, man. Nah, but that's why. I'm not playing bro. We're y'all tripping, man. I'm like the, too much is like Dallas is growing so much. I just feel like it's hungry for a face, bro. Like it's the right song, man.  I gotta go. So Darryl said something recently, he said, yes. He said that artists on a whole, the reason why all of them haven't been blown or whatever are the ones who have blown is because they stay true to where they from. Like Big X plug, he's been doing Texas stuff. Texas, right. I mean, like, and people who don't, and then of course, Darryl, he does a lot of stuff that says Texas and stuff like that. But if you don't, that's the reason why you don't go anywhere. Do you believe that to be true? My honest opinion about that, cause I've thought about that honestly, and I think that's correct, like 100% correct because when it comes to music, and it's kind of like what messed with my career with music, you know, cause I have so many obligations with what I've already done with modeling and stuff. So I have to be in these two other major cities, right? But when it comes to music, I think you have to be, you have to build where you from and it has to be such an organic culture for the world to want to know. Like, so that's what it's like in Texas. Oh, that's, you know what I'm saying? Like you don't go in to mimic someone's sound like they were doing, it doesn't do anything. Like, but you know, Big X plug sounds like he from Texas. We gon' know he from Texas, right? But everybody else is like, what are you from? See, you bought that awareness and then what I've noticed is you get that, then you get your big deal, whatever.  Cause I'm people in the artist that's there right now and I just see it cause I'm on the back end. So I'm like, okay, you pop, you pop where you're now in LA. Now you got this PR team. Now he's making different moves, getting brand deals cause he already has that sound and that fan base lock. Now you're trying to broaden it out. But you can still put where you from so people know because even like, and the reason why he said that too is because just like what you're saying, you know how each city have a time that they're hot. Like Memphis sound was hot during this time, whatever. So some artists coming up be like, man, I'm gon' drift to Memphis sound because that's what's hot and I'm gon' pop off of that. But you from Texas, don't make no sense. But then even when you look at acting, look at Jamie Foxx. Everybody know Jamie Foxx from Tarot Texas. Even if you don't know where Tarot Texas is from, even if you're not from Texas, he says it so much that you know exactly where this man is from. So like, why not stay true to your culture and where you're from? I think that pushes you way more and people respect you a lot more. Now a hundred percent, I do believe that but the thing is, I think it's about when those people do those people feel like the city behind them. So I think that's what it's about for real, for real. Yeah, well, I can tell you right now, man. It's always under the pleasure to sit down with you. Just give me your top, the artist of all time, dead or alive right now. How you feel in this present moment? Present moment right now.  What is it? Number one. Well, Michael Jackson, bro. That nigga hard too. He did, but he hard.  Social media. You just another part of me. Yes. I wanna rock with you. Bit of Jean, all in. Yeah, I get it. Who you're number two? Me personally? Yeah. Me personally. Yeah. I'll probably say Drizzy. That's just me. Drake, you like him like that? The thing is, I'm just talkin' about from what I've seen as far as just consistency. Like, other artists that I probably do listen to more. Like, I'm not gon' I ain't play no Drake on the way here. You know what I'm sayin'? I'm just sayin' off the runny hat where I was really, really listenin' to him and then just bein' consistent like. Number three? I'm gon' go Pop. Pop. He shoulda been number one.  You better put him first. I put a lot into it. I put a lot into it. You know what I'm sayin'? No. I think Pop had a broader, you know, a broader eyes on what he did, but yeah.   Okay. You know, cause that's the main thing that got me where I'm at, you know what I'm sayin'? And I just wanna be able to inspire people through that story, you know what I'm sayin'? Just stayin' in tunnel vision and it's not lookin' left when you told them, when you think this and that, just believin' them thoughts in your mind is truly what's for you, manifest the know's, man. Man, listen, man, thank you for comin' on the show, man. You know it, man. I mean, anytime you in town, when you fly in from LA, you need to be right here. No, I'm tapping in here. You need to holler at me and say, hey, I'm in town, check in. You need to check in. Hey, look, look, I'm checkin' in. Sit right in there.  Man, you always welcome to come on the show, man.  You know, I didn't know.  I been watchin', I'm like, you know, I'm playin' hard. I had to do that, cause it's motivation. How we travel so much, just to do a lot of those interviews, too. No, 100%, man. I respect that, you know, for me to you, though, I guess a lot of high respect for you guys, man. Y'all doin' it good. You family, they go, what did you tell me?  It's over. Thank you so much, man. Yeah, man, for sure. Same. Man, it's been another. Man, you know what? And before you close it out. It's been another. I am going to design you something special. No, give me something special, man. A whole outfit, something different. Yeah, give me right. You know I like that. You know I like that. Your style is unique, so I can't just come with a regular t-shirt for you. I gotta do something different for you. Hey, man, look, I'm gonna make it look real nice, regardless, man. We're gonna do something nice with it. Man. I'm tired from shooting this stuff, man. Man, check it, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk, one-on-one, where the bosses talk. And we out.


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