If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, we're getting hot. Of Mind Pump. We got some estrogen for you. Yeah, we interviewed. So Adam coached young lady Melissa for her first contest. And we didn't talk too much about it. We just kind of followed along. First contest ever, and she killed it, of course. She has the first, first, and second. She's got Adam in her corner. She's got the genes, and she's got Adam coaching her. Adam took her through, and we talk about in this episode how what her strategy was like with her nutrition, with her cardio, or lack of, how her metabolism didn't get damaged.  I've never heard of. Pretty awesome. But we also talk about her training. And for the most part, she followed the program that we have that's designed for specifically for advanced trainees, and for competitors, Maps Aesthetic. That's the program that she followed. So here's what we're going to do. After we finished with the episode, we decided we wanted to do something kind of cool for our audience. We have never put Maps Aesthetic on a massive sale. So we're going to do a flash sale with Maps Aesthetic. You can actually get it for half off. However, we're going to give you one hoop to jump through. You've got to go on Instagram and go to Melissa's Instagram page. Her page is Melly Wolf with 2F. So it's M-E-L-I-W-O-L-F-F on Instagram. Go there. In her bio is going to be a coupon code. That code is going to give you 50% off. We're only running that for what, 48 hours? 48 hours when this air. So this episode is going to drop. It should be Sunday when you're listening to this. Is the final day for this. Then the coupon code is going to be gone. So if you go to her page on Instagram again, it's Melly Wolf M-E-L-I-W-O-L-F-F. In her bio, you're going to find a coupon code. It's going to give you half off of Maps Aesthetic. And if you have any questions about the program, you can find out more at mindpumpmedia.com. So without any further ado, here we are talking to Melissa Wolf. We are all hot. Smoking, smoldering. What's the name of the competition? You just crushed everyone in, Melissa? Yeah. You didn't quite crush everyone. Well, the one you won. Retro V Champion. It was the Central Californian Championship. We are sitting with Miss Central California Biskini of the World Champion of the Universe. Melissa Wolf. Oh my God. Good job on your victory. Thank you. That was very, very good. And you did it all naturally too, which is good. I really did. That's very, very good. What was your experience like competing? Overall.  That is a super vague question. Like, was it generic and brilliant? Tell us, what do you think about life? Why are we here? What do we do? Where are we going when we die? Were you nervous getting up there and doing all the poses or something?  Am I allowed to say that? Of course you can say that. This is mind pump.   Why don't you share with the audience? Because I think a lot of people don't know that you weren't somebody who's always wanted to compete in bikinis. So what even led you to even think about that? Why did you not do it in the past? What made you decide to do it now? Okay, so starting out with why I didn't ever want to do it in the past was, I think, because what I saw of what it meant to compete was people trying to prove something to themselves that wasn't even there to prove in the first place. So it was like people pushing their bodies to get to this point in an expedited period of time to push their bodies to a point that their body shouldn't even be in in the first place. Did you have friends that did it before? I did have friends that did it. Did they have, did they get like metabolic damage and stuff afterwards or? I mean, from my perspective, yes, I'm not somebody who can diagnose whether or not that happened but I- We do it all the time, don't worry. I see people who have competed that I know. I have a close friend that struggles a lot with weight gain after shows and that's been something. That was probably her experience was the biggest deterrence for me because I would see her jump into a show, grind, grind, grind, look really great on stage and then come out of it so hard and so fast and gain so much weight and just have and get so depressed and upset and down on herself and unhappy and then she would resort to prepping again because that's what she felt. The only way she felt that she could look the way that she wanted to look.  Well, I, a few, there are a few factors. I was really into, well, I got even more, I got more and more into the gym, more and more into lifting. I saw changes in my body that kind of started to resemble what a competitor might look like in an off season and I got comments all the time, like, you look like you compete, do you compete? Like, you should compete and I would brush it off a lot often, all the time actually and then eventually I started, actually started listening to Mind Pump and I started hearing Adam talking about competing and you guys talked a lot about competing and I first identified with how you guys spoke about how bad it is. And then Adam would mention every now and again that there's a better way, there's a better way, people aren't doing it right, there's gotta be a better way and I thought to myself, well, if there's a better way, maybe I should try doing that and I reached out to Adam and... What was that like conversation like Adam? Well, the very first time that... Like, did you try to talk her out of it or were you like... No, because the way we met first, right? So kind of the missing piece to that story she just told was she, I know that she started listening to Mind Pump, I think it was the Lane Norton episode is what you told me was the first one you listened to, right? And I think it was your boyfriend that turned you on to the episode first, right? And it was more they were like listening to listen to Lane Norton because I think he's a fan of Lane Norton. Yeah, so I'd never heard, I'd never heard of who, I didn't know who Lane Norton was and my boyfriend did and he knew that Lane was really controversial and wanted to see what my opinion was about him. So kind of sent me, he sent me an episode that I, he thought that I could listen to that wasn't a super aggressive Lane Norton episode. So he sent me, your guys' episode and I listened to it and I got back to, he said listen to this, give me your feedback and I got back to him and was like, I don't know about Lane Norton but I really liked the guys who interviewed him and I started listening. That's what we do to everybody. She's smart. And I started listening to you guys. And then you started following the Mind Pump media page, right? I started following the Mind Pump media page and Taylor who manages that page reached out to me and asked if I would consider coming in to do videos for, I don't know what ever happened.  So he had came, I remember when he had showed me your profile, I'd never met you before. And we've brought Taylor on board and Taylor is kind of the marketing side of the business and social media back in stuff. So he's working a lot with the YouTube and the Instagram and working with our kind of rebranding that we're going through. One of the things that I think everybody knows that we're kind of missing this female presence, right? I know we, all of us guys, the three of us are in touch with our feminine side, but we're missing a little bit. Not really. Especially Justin. We're missing that estrogen and it was really tough because we weren't just gonna attach anybody to us. And so Taylor was kind of on the hunt for a girl who he thought fit our brand and had a good message and was smart and had a very natural real look.  And like he was looking for someone. And when he showed me your profile, at first glance, I said, yeah, I like it. You don't have her come in. I trust you if you've been paying attention to it. And that's where we first met. And you and I shot the... Yeah, and we all noticed the mechanics when you did a barbell squat. And I was like, oh, finally, somebody that has like really good mechanics, we can work with this, you know? Cause we're trying to get all these like exercise photos accomplished and all this kind of stuff. So that was important. So at this time, I think you are really just getting to know us and really starting to go through the Mind Pump episodes, right? I remember after I came in, you guys mentioned my squat on an episode and I listened to it. And I go, oh my God, did you have a squat? That's right. Right, so I think it wasn't until later that she had thought about doing the competing. And that's where she, and from, like she said, the episodes that she'd heard us talk about. And then she had mentioned it to me. And I thought it was great cause I thought, I already, we knew the whole purpose why we thought she was a match. We already thought she had the look and we could use for photos and videos and marketing purposes. And I thought, well, this will be cool.  She's got the look already. And then she wants to compete. So I was actually totally pro her doing it because I knew who she was though too. So I mean, you gotta know that she's going through DPT school right now. I was going to say, yeah, why don't you like mention what you're doing these days and like what your background is? Oh God, okay. Well, my background, this is the past two weeks I've been in. I started my doctorate graduate program at Samuel Merritt University.  I have no time. I live in cadavers and books and it's really freaking hard. And I used to spend a lot of time here with you guys and now in the past couple of weeks I haven't at all because I can barely find time to shower. You're all open organs and yeah, cadaver parts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the only reason why I would, I didn't normally a normal person that would ask me I'm like you, Sal, I would probably try and talk them out of it because I knew her level of education. And then I also knew her view of competing in bodybuilding and all that stuff before because when we first met, we kind of briefly talked about it and she told me she had friends that competed and she was totally turned off by the industry originally and for those reasons. So I think she had the right head on her shoulders to be somebody. And then plus I knew I would be guiding it. So of course, as I'm guiding her through it, there's lots of, I'm talking to her daily. So there's lots of communication of this is why we do this. And of course she challenges and asks everything that I do. You know, it's like, why did we do that? You know, well, this is why we're doing that or this is the theory why we're doing this. So, you know, a lot of the times, you know, she's asking all the right questions and I think her relationship with food.  For an extended period of time, 1600 was the lowest that I ever did. Which is, that's high, that's high calorie for someone prepping for a show for a girl. Very high calorie. Especially for someone, your size, you're tiny. I'm tiny. Yeah, you're not a super tall girl. Most girls your size walk into a competition eating around a thousand calories, sometimes less.  So 1600 calories and we at one point. And that's towards the, that's towards competition. Yeah, yeah, that's right. What do we, what did we pick up before we, before we actually started cutting? What'd you peak at? What was the highest? I was at 2600. Which is a man, that's man calories. Which is man food. That's half as much as Justin eats.  So when you first started your prep, it wasn't, let's start cutting. It was move calories up. Now when Adam is telling you, listen, we're gonna have more calories. Are you thinking, okay, he's crazy.  He's skeptical. Or were you like, okay, I'm gonna trust him because he has a podcast. That's a total reason to trust him.  No, this is a great question. I'm actually, I've never asked her this. It'd be interesting to hear. Yeah, what were you thinking when he's like, no, we're gonna increase your calories.  No, I mean, I know enough about, you know, the way your metabolism works to know that you can boost it and make it more efficient. And I knew that that was the goal and it made sense to me to incrementally boost those calories so that I was then boosting my metabolism. And how many weeks out did you guys start? Like, what was the, how many weeks total was this whole prep period? Do you remember when we started? What week it was? We started in, I think it was July with the boosting of my metabolism. And then I think that that lasted for maybe a month. Which we should, I think you should talk about that too because I didn't wanna pick a show until I felt our metabolism was in the right place. Let's talk about that because most people pick a show and then start. And it's the countdown, yeah. But the way you did it, Adam, which I think is the best way to do it is to start getting ready, see how your body responds and then start to say, okay, I think I can do a show around this period and then start looking. Well, I mean, Melissa can share this. She asked me like, when are we gonna do a show? Like write out that when should we look at the date? So you took a little while to even pick. Yeah, so right at the gate, she wanted to know like timeframe and shows and I was, I couldn't give her the answer. I said, ah, I don't know yet. And I explained too that I think this is also the big mistake that most these girls do before they get ready for a show is they base it off of, hey, in November or whatever, I wanna get in great shape. Let's do a show just to do a show. Like I was more like, let's figure out where your metabolism is right now and where you're at, like as far as your overall movement and let's figure you out. And then from there, we can kind of map out what's a realistic timeframe. I did have kind of a map of what kind of timeframe I wanted and needed because I was starting school in September and I knew that I wanted to do a show before then because I didn't know what school was gonna be like. So I told him that and he knew that but that was three and a half months out when we first started. That's right. And I do remember that, I remember actually wanting to go longer and you were like, oh, can we get it before the school? And I was like, okay, we're not pushing it that bad and she was in a very healthy situation to do it. But even in a perfect world, I think I remember I wanted even more time. I wanted a couple more weeks to feel confident of, and to be honest with you, looking how she presented herself on stage, hands down, I think we were at first place. I think that she presented probably one to two pound stage weight away from a prophesies on that stage. Our conditioning was one to two more weeks. I think we have a pro level physique for sure.  Yeah, it's part of the game. You know that. I told you that from the very beginning. That's probably nerves. I would say a lot of nerves. It totally is. So starting off with the boost in calories, you're doing your training. How are you feeling with the more calories? What are you noticing at this point? Do you remember? Are you feeling stronger? Yeah, so at first, I was feeling full all the time. I was shoveling food. I mean, I don't know if people, I feel like whenever I tell people that I was eating 2,600 calories, they're like, okay, yeah, but I'm like, no, no, no, that means I was eating this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this and also this and that too. And then more. It was like, I was eating so much food and I was stuffed all the time, but I was super, super strong. I felt like I was throwing weights around the gym and that's what I would say to Adam every day. I'd be like, I threw everything around the gym all day today. And, but then as, and I started to notice too, as my body would kind of acclimate, I would, I would still be hungry after 2,600 calories. I was like, oh yeah, 2,600 and I'm like still eat.  Yeah, so I did gain a little bit of weight for sure. I gained maybe like three or four pounds. Wow, that's nothing at all. Yeah, so it was not the, I mean, and a lot of that was probably muscle cause I was lifting like crazy. Now at this point, I'm assuming you changed your training or was it, how different was your training under, cause you guys use a map's aesthetic. That was the- We started on map's aesthetic and then towards the end of the, towards the very end of the show, I broke down a few like muscle groups that I wanted her just touching from there on out and said, okay, this is all. Cause all the work had been done. Yeah, that's what- And now were you, what was your training like before doing maps aesthetic? Was it similar or was it a very different change? Before I was doing more of a two body parts a day kind of a thing. So like a split, more of a split. Did you notice a big change when you changed over to like, you know, map style training? Did you notice any differences in things like strength and the way your body looked? Sure, yeah. And the way that my body looked, I mean, my shoulders are, so Adam had me focus on shoulders and hamstrings because those I guess are to the big judging points for bikini competitions. And I worked on those as my- Focus. Focus days. Focus sessions. And my shoulders, I mean, they're, my rear delts and my delts overall are bigger much and my hamstring, I've never seen, I never saw my hamstring tie ins until this prep. And they're there. It's pretty cool. I sprouted wings. That's awesome. Part of the, what was really important, and we kind of touched this on the show when we actually talked about metabolic damage, even though this has nothing to do with metabolic damage. But what I knew when I, when I boosted her calories that high, I also knew how she was training before and I knew Maps Aesthetic would create a new adaptation. So it would just go to muscle? Yeah, it would go to muscle. It's like her body is not used to this, regardless of it's the best program for her, the best gain she'll ever seen her live. It didn't even matter to me. I knew that it was different enough from what she was currently doing, that it was perfect for, especially since in phase one, the way we were in phase one were lower reps and heavy weight, just like we talked about pulling somebody out of, the same theory of pulling somebody out of metabolic damage is the same theory I'm going to apply to trying to speed someone's metabolism up. That's trying to- It's the same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing, right? So I'm, you know, we're not doing cardio at all. So that's something too. She was prescribed without the gates, no cardio.  And we, you know, we got a chance to actually work at, I got the chance to train her, you know, quite a few times. And when I would train her, I would kind of show her like, this is the intensity or this is how I would rather you go heavier right now on these things then, you know, lighter and get more repetitions. Cause it's important to me that we are throwing something at your body. It is just not used to while we're also increasing these calories. So I know that even if we do put a little bit of fat on, we're going to, most of that's going to get allocated over to building muscle. So that was the strategy when we, when we first start off and it's no different than how I would approach somebody who I'm trying to speed their metabolism up. That's got metabolic damage. Now during this whole period of time, you know, weeks or whatever, you know, calories are going up then you start to drop them. You're training a particular way. You're throwing cardio towards the end. How was that right before contest period?    What was that like for you leading up to the contest? Was it what you had expected? Was it easier or harder than you expected? It was not what I expected and everything I expected all at the same time because I definitely, I mean, I'd be lying if I said that it was easy. I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't super grumpy and that I didn't snap at my boyfriend maybe five or six or seven plus times. But it wasn't as bad for an extended period of time is what I found is I had bad days and I had good days but I didn't ever really feel like there was a stretch where I was just like I cannot do this and the closer I got to my show which was counterintuitive to me was I felt better and peak week I felt great and I didn't I mean not I didn't feel strong. I didn't and I wasn't even working out towards the end. So you were grumpy, not lead not up to the contest. I can be in the middle. Well, think about this, right? So there is going to come a time, right? And I remember talking to her and like setting her setting the table for on this like it will get hard and there will come a time where you're hungry. Like that's part of like getting shredded and cutting, right? At one point when you're getting lean, you will face feeling hunger because if your metabolism is roaring and going and you're restricting it, you're eating all that food prior to that and it's a pretty stark contrast. Yeah, it's inevitable it's going to come but the goal was even when you're hungry like that and that feeling you'll still be actually eating a good amount of calories that your body is being well nourished, right? So it's not like you're doing damage or hurting your body as much as it's just having the discipline to refrain from eating more calories. And I think that's what you mean by like it was everything you thought and what you did and right as far as the challenge, right? Right, I mean I think that what I noticed most actually was every time you gave me a change so every time you're like, okay, we're dropping calories or okay, we're increasing our steps or okay, we're increasing volume in the gym, adapting to that were the hardest any time you gave me a change.  It was like, okay, this is hard, okay, we're leveling out. So this is hard a little bit and we're leveling out. Now Adam talks about on the show a lot about how much he learned about his body during when he competed about, cause he mentioned this all the time. Like I know when I would add this little thing, my body would change and when I take this thing out, my body would change and I knew what was doing what because I was so meticulous about my track and all that stuff. Did you learn stuff about yourself and your body through this process that you otherwise wouldn't have learned do you think? Yeah, definitely. It's hard to pinpoint because there's so many things that changed and I think that it's really, it's hard, yeah, it's hard to pinpoint things when everything is changing and your body is changing and you don't really know what it is, but I think that one of the biggest things for me was realizing that I could do so little cardio and be so lean. That always blows people's minds.  I mean, I was the girl who'd get on the Stairmaster every day after she lifted weights and go for 20 minutes of HIIT every single day and I've never done so little cardio in my life and I've never been so lean in my life. Let's talk about that. You did cardio when? At what point did you guys start throwing actual cardio into your routine? Well, I mean, that's a hard question to answer because we never really did throw in actual cardio. So Adam would give me movement, I call it the movement goals. So he would- So like your neat? My neat, yeah. So he would tell me, okay, we're trying to get, you know, 13 to 15,000 steps every day this week and then it would go up to 17 to 20 and then I never really got past 20,000, which is a lot, that's like 10 miles. So I get that question actually a lot of people will say, you know, okay, well, I don't really get it because you're preaching that you're not doing cardio and yet you have to hit 10 miles a day that seems that I don't see the difference. And for me, I mean, the difference, even though there might not technically be a difference in terms of what you're burning, for me it was the lifestyle difference was I never allotted a time to get on the treadmill and I think that a standard time is two hours for these bikini girls that compete and that's standard. And I don't know how much it varies up or down but I hear two hours all the time, that's like the number that I hear. And I never spent, I mean, towards the end or days that I was busy or whatnot, I would get up early and maybe walk on the treadmill for 30 to 40 minutes on, but those were days where that was my only option. And that's closer to the contest. You're talking about like. And that was a lot closer to the contest, yeah. Like weeks out and a couple weeks out. So when you're hitting 15,000 steps or whatever, what did it look like for you?  So I would go on a hike, I would walk to the gym and so I would drive to the gym. I would walk to the grocery store. So it was like, for me, it was a lifestyle change deciding, okay, I'm just gonna be active in my life versus I'm gonna sit on this treadmill for two hours a day and a lot that time. Now the cool thing about this is the evidence, cause they've done studies like this where they've taken people and had them do all of their cardio in one session versus taking the total amount of cardio and splitting it up throughout the day.  And it kind of makes sense if you think about it. When you're doing an hour or an hour and a half of cardio straight, you're really asking your body to become super efficient. You're really asking your body to reduce its muscle mass, slow its metabolism down versus doing 30 minutes here, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes there where it's less of an adaptation towards efficiency which is another word for slower metabolism. So it makes sense that it would be more effective. It's much easier too to scale up and down too. It's more realistic to take cause you gotta remember too and I know we say 20,000 steps but there was a very gradual progression. And that's like towards a contest. Right, exactly. That was leading all the way up to almost show time. So early on I was only asking 10 to 12,000 steps and then it was 14 to 16,000 steps and then it was 16 to 18,000 steps and then really it became a point where and I remember telling her like, you know coming up to the last couple of weeks that if you gotta get on the treadmill to get to those steps, that's fine. Our goal is to get it through activity. So the goal is to do it through movement. But if you need to, because she did, she'd have some of these days that were, you know working like a long eight hour day or gone all day or sitting down somewhere like, okay well that then we might have to get on a treadmill at that point just cause it's almost impossible not to get, you know, to get 20,000 steps and not do that. But really the idea was to like she said is to incorporate it into our lifestyle. So it doesn't feel like this huge daunting task which also allows us, it was easy for us to reverse out when we come out of it too. It was just like, okay, well let's scale back. You don't have to quite do 20,000 steps. Let's get 15 to 16,000 steps. Let's not quite jump you all the way to 2600 calories. Let's put you back up to 16 or 1800 calories. And so reversing out of it is way easier and then it helps, it's not much easier to maintain their weight where she's at. I mean, she went right back, she decided to go right back into another prep and it won't be a hard transition for her at all cause she didn't rebound. I think, I don't know, you didn't only put on a couple pounds after a show, right? Yeah, like five, five-ish. Yeah, three or four, yeah. Average competitor puts on like 20. Oh yeah. At least after a show. Yeah, you can guarantee that putting five pounds on I guarantee you four if it was water. Have you talked to any of your friends that have competed before? Like you had mentioned previously that did it, you know, the whole martyr way and like kind of your whole process. Yeah, what do they think about all this? I mean, everyone's asking me for Adam's contact information. Boom! DMs are flood. This is why I told her not to put me. People go back and they're like, I'm just a guy behind the guy. Hey, aren't you helping that girl? I'm like, yeah, but we're not telling anybody that. We're not posting it because the day after she posted that thanking me, my DM like crazy. Yeah, no, we talked about that on the interview I just did right now. I was like, hey, my wife competes and I saw that you helped to have Melissa. And I'm like, no, it's a dude, I just, that was something else this night. But, you know, I'm glad you did because I think sometimes we come across as anti-competing a little bit and it's not that. It's that the way people tend to do it is what I'm definitely anti. And if there is a way to do it, that is the right way to do it. And I'm glad you kind of presented this example of how to compete and not come out of it with a damaged metabolism or with a bad relationship with food and exercise, you know? Because it can really promote that. It can really cause something like that. And you can be a big influencer in this whole process. Melissa, was there anything that we did that you did ever question or that? Yeah, what did you guys debate over? Did you, was there anything that you pushed back? I know you want, I remember when I first had her carb cycle, she wanted me to break the science down better and I'm like, oh, we don't want to go there. We did a little bit though, right? Yeah, carb, well, yeah. Carb cycling was something that I didn't quite understand. I still don't quite understand. And I try, I mean, I reached out to Sal too, I didn't. She's like, don't tell Adam. Yeah, she's trying to fact check me. This guy over here has got me carb cycling and this guy in the group, he sounds pretty confused telling me right now. I just want to make sure you trust him, Sal. No, well, it's a gray area, right? We don't have a lot of stuff studied around this. And so some of the things, this is the area that I found myself in when I was getting ready for a show was what do we know for sure? What is supported by science? What is bro science? And then what is kind of like in the air because we just don't have a lot supporting it? And there's a lot of bro science surrounding carb cycling, but there is a lot of good truths behind it too. And at the end of the day, the body does very, it adapts. And if you give it the same thing all the time, your body can become desensitized either hormones, types of foods, cycling macros gives you more variety. It's probably gonna give you a more diverse microbiome. It's going to resensitize your body to certain hormones. For example, I do this with my clients too. I have clients that I work with and none of them compete, but I have almost every single one of them cycle their macros and it's because I know when you go very low carbohydrate, you're going to promote more insulin sensitivity so that when you do eat carbohydrates, they're utilized a better way. And the anecdote, and again, there's no science really to support this yet, but the anecdote's pretty strong. Right, and so that was kind of like when I was explaining to her, I'm like, because she wanted to write about it. She's like, you don't want to write about this. Could you explain the science better to me? Like, ooh, that's going to be a tough one because you're going to get this type, you're going to hear this, and it's going to sound very bro-y, and they're going to hear this and this is going to sound very incomplete. And so that's like carb cycling in a nutshell for me, but you know, I believe that, I mean, you can ask her too, like I can't remember off the top of my head how many different macro profiles we did too.  Like, yeah, we incorporated fasting. So she, through her prep, we manipulated macro profiles. So those that are wondering right now, oh, what was her macro ratio? Did she run a 30, 30, 40? Or what did she run? All of them. All of them. We literally messed with them all the time. And just like she said, I would give her these little goals every week or so. Now, what did you notice anything, any changes when you would do that? Like if, like when Adam said, okay, you know, for the next two days, you're going to lower carb higher fat or for the next two days, you're going to fast. Or did you notice differences in the way you looked and performance that you can connect to those? Did you, are you there yet? Or do you need to do it more before you can start to see? No, I mean, I definitely did. I mean, on the higher carb days, I felt like I could move way more in the gym. And I, I love carbs. So I was always so excited for high carb days.  But, What are we talking about? Everybody loves carbs. I love carbs. Yeah, they're good. Yeah, no, I felt way better when I was eating more carbs. And then, I mean, but that's the thing, the carb cycling. So I saw a lot with carb cycling. And I don't necessarily think that's because, so as soon as I started looking at it as fluctuations in calories by way of carbohydrates, that made more sense to me. I couldn't look at it as carb cycling because that's just really convoluted. And I feel like there's just way too much that goes into that for me to see like a straight line. It was like, okay, we're trying to give you lower calorie days and higher calorie days so that you can still get in good training sessions, but we're dropping in on days so that we can promote that fat loss. And we're just gonna take that out from carbs. So I think that, and that's probably a good thing to expand on because it is something I know that I do different than almost any other coach that I've ever seen coach because the standard is they carb cycle but then they replace the fat, they replace the carbohydrates with fat. And so the calories stay the same and we weren't doing that. It was low calorie, low carb. Yeah, it was a lower calorie, a medium calorie day and then a little like 10% over what a normal day would be. So we had established where her medium was. Well, you guys were underlating calories, exactly. So we were underlating calories through carbohydrates. And that's kind of how I told her to approach it. I'm like, approach it like that. We're not messing with carbs and keeping the calories the same. We're lowering carbs and lowering carbs again and we're reducing calories.  We're kind of refeeding a little bit and the idea and theory behind that is that I'm gonna spike leptin back up. We go low, low, low, knowing that's gonna slow her down a bit. And I don't wanna...   It's very satiating. So it makes sense to have somebody, if you're gonna have them eat more calories on a particular day to make it a higher carb day, because if I say, we're gonna have you eat, 1700 calories, low carb.  Usually by halfway through the day, I'm getting a text. It's like, I can't eat anymore. I feel so full. I think that was actually, I'm pretty sure. I know I use this strategy a lot with competitors. I'm pretty sure I did this with Melissa where we know days that we incorporate fasting, then the first meal she ate, I would say high fat, go after a lot of fat for your first meal. So that's a strategy that we incorporate inside there too. And yeah, there was so much different stuff. There was no set like macro profile, or I mean, every week we were tweaking something. And that, to me, again, and we say this on the show all the time, right? Which, oh, you have to bring this up, Melissa. I was just gonna say what I know you got into with your school, which was, I always say that, you know, we're always trying to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. So make the, and you brought this up in class. Which class was it? In my exercise prescription class. What's your teacher's name? What was the conflict? What was the problem? There wasn't a problem. She was, she gave us this graph. They were so, okay. So it's an exercise prescription class. So they're trying to teach us, I'm going to school for physical therapy and they're trying to teach us how to prescribe exercises to our patients or clients.  And I just didn't understand the graph. And I was asking her, I was like, I really don't get why there's so many thresholds on this graph. Can you explain it to me? And she was trying to, so she explained it. I don't really, I don't remember her explanation, but what came up in my mind was minimal amount of effort for to elicit the greatest outcome, which is what Adam would always say to me is what the goal is. And so I thought of that and I brought it up and I said, oh my coach always says, minimal effort for greatest outcome.  No, they're all super, for the most part, open-minded people. And I mean there was, so there are two instructors for this class and one of them was like, oh yeah, that's exactly a nail that run on the head, done. And the other one kind of gave me a little bit of a, I don't know about what you're saying there because in the context of physical therapy, minimal effort is rarely, minimal, seeming to be minimal effort. I could see where you can argue that with physical therapy because with you, frequency and consistency and patterning good habits becomes Trump's actually a listening change. They're thinking minimal effort as an easy, what Adam is saying, I'll translate, very simple. So do the least amount of work for the most amount of change literally means the perfect amount of work. That's all it means. All it means is you're doing the right dose. And that's what I told them. But it's just, it's sticky jargon or wording or rhetoric when you're in the physical therapy realm where oftentimes the smallest amount of work is so taxing and it's like somebody can't even sit up straight and that, and even maybe sitting up, going all the way into a full set is just too much work. So to think about minimal effort, just that, just phrasing something in that way where you're making it seem easy by saying minimal effort, it's just the association. Yeah, the capacity further, right? So they're always trying to kind of increase range of motion or increase the work that's available there. I just don't think they don't like the word.  It applies to the same example you just gave.  We do less to get your change, it's just perfect. It's a perfect prescription, that's all it is. But yeah, I think I agree with Adam. I think starting any sentence with, my coach says, my bodybuilding coach says. I know, right? Instant discredit, right there. We don't believe anything he's saying. Oh, bro sign. So did it caught, was it just you and the two teachers? No, no, it was the whole class. Everyone was chiming in. Everyone was trying to give examples that were missing the mark. I mean, we're all noobs. It's like, we're all figuring it out. It wasn't like a super great intellectual debate that I have a whole lot to report on. Oh man. It was basically name calling for all that. So I mean, what was the consensus? Did we win? Did we win or we lose? I know, we won. Okay, good. That's all that matters. We were just wondering if we had to go up there in person. You ever need backup, you just stay there. We'll be your entourage. We'll show up. We won. Who wants to debate? What was the hardest part of the whole process from everything from the dieting, the training to even getting up on stage and presenting your physique? What was the hardest thing? The hardest thing was just feeling really isolated, I think, feeling like, because I mean, I like to socialize and go out with my friends. I like to have a drink. I like to, you know, do things that normal people do. And I just felt like I couldn't enjoy those things that I used to really enjoy because, I mean, they were more chores than whenever a friend would say, oh, let's hang out on Wednesday. I'd be like, okay, on Wednesday, I have to hang out with this person and I really don't want to, but I know I have to because it's a relationship that I want to fuel and I need to make sure, like making sure that I was keeping the connections that I had with my friends was a chore. I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't fun for me.  I'd be like, oh yeah, let's do that for sure.  I think that's the hardest part of competing is that piece right there is that people don't realize just the sacrifice that it takes to take your physique to that level and to time it at a certain time becomes very selfish, you know? Like if it was a lifelong goal to get fitter and better, like, oh, okay, well, you can still incorporate getting drinks and doing these social events and, you know, those are just minor setbacks to the overall journey, but when you have a goal in mind, and I think this is what I always try and explain to even people that don't want to compete but they have these goals that they feel so passionate about, like I want to lose 30 pounds, like it's so, and I want to lose it by my birthday, you know, and it's like, and it's doable, like it really is. Like I can mathematically break that down for somebody and say, yeah, yeah, you could get there, but you know that that's got to become like your priority.  Did you have any nutritional hacks or anything? Like, did you like have, I don't know, mineral water or something when they're drinking? Like, what'd you do, like when you're hanging out? Yeah, I drank a lot of sparkling water and I also drank a lot of BCAs and I know that there's no- Was your coach telling you to do this? Yeah, yeah. It was all about the BCAs. Cause I feel like Adam would tell you not to. Yeah, he always told me, he always, that was a good, that was something that I actually really liked about the way that Adam would coach me is he'd give me a lot of freedom to do what I felt like was the right thing to do. So I- You have to learn mistakes on your own. No, tell them how I presented BCAs to you or how you brought it up to me and then how I handled it so people understand. Well, I mean, when I told Adam that I drank BCAs, he was like, you don't need to do that. Don't do that. And I knew that already. I don't drink BCAs because I think I need them. I don't drink BCAs for any reason other than it's like a diet soda for me. It makes drinking water fun and it's pretty. And that's it. That's colorful. And I was okay with this answer.  Now I will say this about branched amino acids, the overconsumption of them will or can at least interfere with the production of certain neurotransmitters and has been connected with low levels of depression. So be careful with drinking all those branched amino acids. It's true. But you'd have to drink- You were doing all that. You'd have to drink, you'd have to take a lot of them but you know, if you're drinking it all day. Sal also got on me for microwaving my plastic. Oh yeah.  No, other than that, I mean, I really liked any way that I could figure out how to increase the volume of my food was like, I'm there. I want my plate to look full as full as it can. So I ate so many vegetables. I was like a veggie monster and that's why I also, and that's part of the thing with carbs and fats for me is just the mental game of like fats are so little and carbs are so much. And right now I just wanna at least feel like I'm eating a lot.  As I was pushing my meat and moving more and more and more, I was like, and not changing the way that I was, you're not bumping up my calories at all. I would really just like, I just always diverted towards okay, how can I make all my food look like it's more than enough? And there's a psychological component too where 1600 calories for a 115 pound girl is not bad at all, but there's a psychological component of knowing you can't eat more. You know what I mean? Like this is my target, I can't eat more. Now you feel restricted and now it feels like it's a little bit. Because I have clients that I work with who are heavier than you that I have them track and I'm not telling them to eat anything yet cause I'm just observing them and they're averaging like 1200 calories a day just cause they don't have that big of an appetite. But you better believe if I tell them that's all you can eat, then that psychological component starts to set in and you know that, oh, I can't eat more than this. This is all I'm allotted today. It feels restrictive. And so that's probably I would assume has got to be the most difficult part of all this coaching is the psychological piece. And that's another hack that I used for that was fasting cause I mean Adam never even really instructed me to fast but I would, I just chose to fast almost every day until like noon or one so that then I felt like I had all this food to eat for the rest of the day. It just made it so much easier if I could get through that first part of the day and now I like it. Now I choose to eat that way and I choose not to eat my food until later because I don't feel like I got used to it. Excellent, now you're gonna compete again. And now I am going to compete again. You got the bug. Are you coaching her still Adam? Are you doing it on your own now?  Like I haven't really, I mean, we talked yesterday about kind of the overall plan but yeah, she's pretty much. Have you changed to the focus sessions at all? I know you said hamstrings and delts. Are you changing anything? Is it still those? No, I think that's the same focus to keep developing them. Still doing the maps, aesthetics. Yeah, cause she's only, when you think about it, and this is what we talked about, right? Cause she asked me, hey, do you think I should do a show right again or should I wait for, cause she's qualified for national. So she could technically go to the big Miami show, go to the big Pittsburgh show or go to the big USA show and go after her pro card. And I said, well, there's a couple of things that we can do. One, you can do another show and just treat it as practice.  I mean, obviously you're gonna get there and try and win, but I mean, we're going up there to just get reps in because we know we need to get better at our stage presence. You're not gonna become a pro until you get at least comfortable and you get your, at least your solid poses down. And she's at that point right now, right? She's gotten incredible shape. I think we smoked everybody on the stage. It wasn't even close. I think the only thing that we can sharpen is we could have came in a little bit leaner if we're talking about the professional level and if she could have, I think we're not presenting her. I think her physique is much better than how we presented it on stage. And this is, and I told her, I was very transparent from the beginning too. Like, I'm the worst to help you in this.  So, you know, here I am trying to help her and coach her on getting a, be a better poser.  So getting in there and getting in there. So this next show doesn't really do anything for her as far as- Have you guys seen Adam's bikini routine? It's really good. It's fantastic. When he drinks a lot, he does it for us. Can you fit in your heels? I'm a bad men's physique poser. I am a horrific bikini poser. He looks like a noodle. Like a walking noodle. I can't even do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. So yeah, I'm over it. And so imagine that, right? Imagine me trying to teach her. So we were lucky. We actually had, oh my God, drew a blank on her name. Ramontha. Ramontha. Dave. Pedalaros. Yeah, his girl, one of his clients. She's an excellent poser. Yeah, so she came down and she spent some time. Her and Melissa got together quite a few times. But yeah, this next show- You filmed that. It's on YouTube, didn't we? Filmed the whole thing? Yeah, yeah. It's on YouTube. This show really, like I said, it's not her placing first place in this show right here isn't gonna do anything other than really just give her reps and then probably feel good to take the whole show if she can. So that really is what this show is about. How many weeks out is that? It's only three and a half weeks from now. So how do you, how are you structuring your training now? Do you go phase one, phase two, or do you go straight to phase three through the training with aesthetic type? So I've been bumping up my calories again. I just, I was eating, well, I got up to 2100 calories. And now I am cutting down again. So this is day two of being lower. Back to like 16 to 18, depending on how much I move that day. But this one, this time around is gonna be a lot different. It will, it's for when it's shorter and for two I'm in school and I'm sitting for like 10 hours a day at least. So that's really hard and it's already proven to be super, super tough because I go to class at 8 a.m. I have class until noon. I have one hour break in between for lunch. I don't take lunch, I run to the gym. I left as much as I can and I go back to class and then I'm in class until five. I go home, I study for another couple of hours and in between my studying I take a break and I go to the gym in my apartment complex and I left more and then I go to bed. So my day, my day for the past couple of weeks has been because I'm trying to increase volume which is, I mean that's coach's orders. So I'm lifting more and now I'm starting to move more so that's gonna call for me to get on the treadmill probably at like 5 a.m. in the morning. Really at this point when you think about somebody who is running back another show that's only three or four weeks out from the last show realistically we're not gonna make any real gains because we're putting her back in a caloric deficit. There was only a short period where we ramped the calories back up so the gain train ain't here right now. Like we're in a deficit, we're catabolic so the likelihood of her building right now is gonna happen. So it's just preserve, preserve and lean. Exactly, preserve and lean, get up on stage, present the best lean physique we can in that short period of time by doing it correctly and healthy and get up there and get reps in for, now of course her competitive ass I know wants to win but my attitude and coaching wise is like, listen it's not about that you've decided to pick a show that's four weeks right after your other one and if we wanted to really go and build your physique and re-sculpted and sharpen it more we would give ourselves some more time, right? We would go through a bulking phase and put some more muscle on her than come peel back down again but to run back another show I think this is a great point because I see this a lot with Bikini a lot of these girls they get trapped in this show after show after show and they don't have a pro physique yet. Like Melissa's a little bit different like I knew it when I met her that she already had the structure she'd put the real work in like I don't get the credit for that like she built that over years and years and years of training and I can see somebody and go, okay if I peeled her down to three, four percent body fat she's got what it takes to win she has the look for sure but I see a lot of Bikini girls that get into competitions because they just want to or the girlfriend does it and they really haven't been training correctly for very long or no one's really built a really good program or they're not genetically gifted and so they don't have the aesthetics and then they just get in this Bikini show after Bikini show and they're catabolic, catabolic, catabolic and it's like how are you gonna progress your physique if you're always catabolic and doing show after show after show and the only reason why I would even let her do something like that and be totally not against it is that she already has that physique I think she already has the pro physique I think she just needs to get reps under practicing, getting comfortable on stage and like I said, to win I think the overall or to go pro I think our conditioning could have been one week tighter, that's it maybe and even then I think she could technically win it what she brought I thought for sure we had the formula to go pro so. Well awesome, good luck in the next competition where can people find you on social media? And on Instagram at mellywolf, M-E-L-I-W-O-L-F-F You had to think about that. I was like I'm gonna spell my whole name right now. 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Hi everyone, this is Ariana, Chief Operating Officer of the Patient Safety Movement Foundation, and I welcome you to the Virtual Humanitarian Awards. So we wish that we were with you in person and doing this at one of our World Patient Safety Science and Technology summits, but we really wanted to have this take place during the middle of the year so that we can acknowledge some amazing work and amazing humanitarians who we have to recognize and who doesn't want a little bit of good news these days. So with that said, we'll be presenting some awards to these amazing people over the next 30 minutes or so, and I want to pass it over to our host for the day, Dr. Michael Ramsey and Dr. David Mayer. Dr. Michael Ramsey is our chairman of the board, and he's also one of the earliest recipients of the Humanitarian Awards, so he was recognized back in 2016. We also have Dr. David Mayer, who's our Chief Executive Officer, and he was recognized as a humanitarian back in 2016. So with that said, we welcome you to the program and look forward to being able to celebrate with everyone on the line today and with everyone later on video. So Dave, take us with. Sure. Thanks, Ariana. And first, before we get going, I think it's very important to recognize all the past award winners from this very prestigious award. Their pictures are on the screen, but clearly Robin Betz. At the time, Vice President now President Joe Biden was honored Senator Barbara Boxer, John Carlson, Alicia Cole, Dr. Patrick Conway, Dr. Anne DeWall Grinnelli, Senator Tom Harkin, the Honorable Jeremy Hunt, Tom Calstrom, Tori Lairdahl, Dr. Edwin Lofton, myself, Julie Marath, Anna Noonan, President Barack Obama, Dr. Ramsey, as was noticed before, mentioned before, Anna Marie Saran, Eileen Whalen, Bill Wilson, Kai Zacharowski, past award winners. So thank you to all of them. Thank you, Dave. And it's going to be a great honor for me to be able to be part of this ceremony, to recognize people who've gone way beyond and really made a difference. So this first award is the Stephen Morro Humanitarian Award for Hospital Administrator, who's zeal for improving patient safety in the hospital is clearly prominent. And if we want safe hospitals, it has to come from the top down. To get a high reliability hospital, it's got to come from the top down. Stephen Morro was the CEO of St. Joseph's Hospital here in Orange County, California, and a board member of the PSMF. Sadly, Steve passed in 2017 after a long battle with pancreatic cancer. This award was established in his name because he embodied all the qualities of a leader that prioritized patient safety. He did so after realizing that his hospital had room to improve and then truly took ownership of that improvement process with his senior leadership team and board of directors. And so he's led the way. That's the way we have to do it. And the recipient this year is Bob Pelletro at Common Spirit, formerly Dignity Health, has been recognized for her leadership at Common Spirit Health, formerly known as Dignity Health, and now a 150 plus hospital system, enormous system, and so change has to come from the top down. Common Spirit has Bob at the helm of the ship, leading patient safety improvement with transparency and candor at the center. Dignity Health has also become a PSMF five-star hospital last year, showing her dedication and commitment to zero preventable deaths. Bob, we want to congratulate you so much and we'd like to invite you to show your award and have a few comments. Thank you, Bob, so much for what you do. Great. Thank you very much. Wow. It's really an honor. Just to deliver this was huge and heavy, so I'm so appreciative of it. And the engraving is beautiful. So thank you very much. I really would like to thank Beth Maru for joining from Singapore. It's an honor to meet you and I totally would love to live up to Steve's vision and his leadership in making a difference at his hospital. So I know he was a remarkable leader. I read quite a bit about him and he's very passionate about the safest of care. So I'm really committed to carrying on his legacy and his passion. I am so appreciative also of our values and our commitment to identifying and eliminating harm at common spirit health. And formally, we still are dignity health. House of Brands, if you will, as a large organization and really honored to work with Lloyd Dean, our president, and Bob Wiebe, our Chief Medical Officer, and Kathy Sanford with all their support to get to zero harm. And so I have to say zero is like my favorite professional number. It really represents where we need to think and be as a healthcare leader. And one is not okay, because it could be our loved one, could be our neighbor, and it could be someone we don't know, but is in our neighborhood. So with add zero is the right number to strive for. I really appreciate all the work that Patient Safety Movement Foundation has led both nationally and internationally because it actually makes my job easier when there's organizations that are committed to zero and have such detailed work lined out and that align with our work. All of your quote unquote toolkits are just so helpful. And again, help us to move forward as an organization. So I like to think that of it with the patient at the very center. So every patient every day deserves the safest care and the highest quality of care in every single one of our hospitals. So I'm also have to say I'm constantly reminded that this is a journey. And I'm most appreciative to be part of the leadership in this journey for our organization as well as nationally. So in summary, we want to stay the course and again, a sincere thank you to the board and to all the work that you lead nationally and internationally. So thank you. Barbara, thank you so much for those words. That's really inspiring. So I'm going to pass over to David now about the next award, the Biden Humanitarian Award. Thanks, Mike. And Barbara, thanks very much. Congratulations. What a well deserved word. Leadership has been amazing. And we really appreciate everything you've done. The Biden Humanitarian Award, it's with a heavy heart that we share that we're not going to give a Biden Humanitarian Award this year. This award was named after Joseph Robinette, Biden, the third, known as Bo, who was an American politician, a lawyer, and an officer in the Army Judge Advocates Generals Corp. Bo Biden was a close friend of our founder and former chairman Joe Chiani. Bo stood for justice. We established this award to honor someone who has in the last year made a huge impact to improve patient safety on a governmental level. And this year, we did not see that anyone nominated had moved the patient safety needle on a state, national, or international level. So we hope that next year we can give out two Bo Biden Humanitarian Awards to make up for the lack of giving one out this year. So Mike, I'll turn it back to you. Okay, thank you, David. And so now we come to the Michael Saris Humanitarian Award. And I'm not sure, but I believe Justine, his wife, may be here online. Thank you so much for being here. And this award is the name of your husband, Michael, is newly established this year and named after an extraordinary man who passed away on May 30, 2020. He was an extraordinary patient advocate whom from a young age had to learn to advocate for himself due to his complicated medical needs. Through his experience as a lifelong patient, he also worked furiously to help promote the importance of person and family engagement. From this year on, we will recognize an individual who in the last year contributed to advanced person and family engagement, public awareness and public engagement in patient safety. This year, the award goes to two people, Marty Hattie, Hattie and Vonda Vaiden Bates. Marty is being acknowledged as the lifelong leader in patient safety since he served as the executive director of the National Patient Safety Foundation. However, this humanitarian award acknowledges exemplary work in the last 12 months. And Marty has served as one of the co-chairs for the March for Patient Safety Turned Unite for Safe Care campaign that was first birthed in January 2019. Marty stepped up to this plate and dedicated much of 2019 and 2020 to get the MFPS, the UFSC campaign launched. So Marty, we're really thankful for all your work in that direction, which was hard with the COVID pandemic. But also for what you've done now, now you're on the board of the Patient Safety Movement. So Marty, would you like to say a few words? Sure, Micah, I'd love to. And thank you, Micah and Dave and everyone for this award. Justine, I also just want to acknowledge Michael Saris. Vonda and I had the chance to work with him in 2017 and 2018 as we were developing the patient and family engagement apps and his warmth and his humor. I mean, he just humanized that entire process. And when I think about him, that's what I think of his warmth and his humor and just the way in which he made everybody feel better in a room. I really miss the fact that he walks the earth and I'm so glad that there's an award named after him and I'm totally honored to receive it. I also just want to say that I joke in life that when I hit, when I see a fork in the road, I take it and I took a fork in the road towards patient safety 25 years ago. And it's been a huge growth opportunity for me. There are so many needs and so many opportunities in this space and so many wonderful people that it's just been a great experience for me. It's made me a better human being to be working with you and this community. It's also just highlighted for me the importance of a systems approach. I mean, that was a huge aha moment for me that we're not going to get safe unless we have that. Another highlight was just being welcomed by patients and families. People like Vanda and Steve Margo and Michael who just, you know, taught me a lot. And like I said before, made me a better human being. So thank you very much to just the patients here who who given me some space in their lives with their generosity of spirit. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. No, I'm done. I just want to say a lot of those needs and opportunities that have yet to be accomplished. So onward and upward. Thank you. Great words. Thank you, Marty. And similarly, Vanda Vaden Bates, who's been at the birthing of this concept that we were talking about in January 2019, also stepped up to the plate. Vanda lost her husband, Yogi Raj Charles Bates II due to a preventable Venus thromboembolism. Marty and Vanda complimented each other and truly do not believe that the Unite for Safe Care campaign and the Patient Safety Movement Foundation hosted events in September 2020 would have been possible if they had not stepped up to give their time, talent and treasure to advance public awareness of the patient's safety, but also advocating for person and family engagement along the way. And Vanda has joined the board too and made really amazing contributions and really helped us. So we're really delighted that Vanda has this award as well. And Vanda, if you'd like to say a few words, please do. Thank you. It is a real honor and, Justine, I just want to say to you and your family that, like Marty, I had the opportunity to sit on a panel with Michael in, I think, 2016 or somewhere around there. And I was so stunned by his inventive spirit and his capacity to take a very, very complex global problem, personalize it in such a way that he brought forward solutions, not just for himself, but for others as well. And I look around the room here and I see Marty with his family and Steve with his. And my husband can't be here physically today because of preventable medical errors, but there's no way that I could do the work that I do on behalf of organizations like Patient Safety Movement Foundation without the support of our loving family. And so I just want to give sort of pass along the beautiful award here and the sentiment that comes with it to all of the families who really step behind and around and in front of those of us who dedicate our lives to helping make sure that safety is there for everyone who receives, gives and supports care. And it's a real honor to receive this award today. And I just hope that I can carry Michael's name and his work that he did forward in a way that matters for everyone globally. Thanks again. Thank you, Vonda, so much for all that you do. So now, David, back over to you. Thanks, Mike and Marty, Vonda, huge congratulations. I can't think of two people more deserving of this award for your contributions through many, many years and continuing on today. I am excited to share that we have established the Judy Burroughs Humanitarian Award to acknowledge an individual whose story of preventable harm or death has made a significant impact on patient safety in the public arena over the last year. It is my honor to give our last humanitarian award for this year to Steve Burroughs. And I also see his wife, lovely wife, Margo, behind him. It's nice to see. Steve Margo, you know, wrote, directed the award winning HBO documentary film Bleedot. Since Bleedot was released in 2018, over 15 million viewers have watched the film on HBO, continually raising attention of the patient safety crisis and preventable medical harm issues we have in the public domain. Stephen, his wife, Margo and their family thought they were alone, that medical errors that took their mother Judy's life was a freak accident. Since the film's release, Steve and Margo have been inundated with thousands of Facebook messages and texts and emails from strangers who connected with his mother's story and the life of Judy Burroughs. So Steve and Margo, congratulations. Very well deserved. And I turn it over to you, Stephen. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Mayor, Dr. Ramsey, Arianna, the esteemed patient safety movement foundation. And my fellow honorees here, this is, this is beyond humbling for us. This funding award here that we just received is the Judy Burroughs Humanitarian Award. It's it's easily one of the best things that's happened in our lives since my mom's coma in 2009. I have so many people to thank. I'm not going to get to everyone. You know, Bleedot was basically a 90-minute movie about a 10-year journey of poor care in the early days. But really, there were, it's important that we, I shared that there were hundreds of doctors and nurses and aides and healthcare workers and therapists and technicians that kept my mom alive for 10 years and helped keep our family, you know, keep our family's heads above water. I could not have done it certainly without all my friends and family who kept me sane through all these times. My sister, Beth, my nephew, Benjamin, my mom's only grandson, they're listening from Singapore right now. I want to thank all my mom's friends who never gave up on my mom and all those years in the nursing home and always treated with such dignity and respect, even as things got very difficult. And of course, all the 100 people that worked on Bleedot, Bleedot took place over a 10-year period. We didn't even know we were making a movie for most of it, but really want to thank Creative Chaos and Impact Party and the great HBO documentary films for giving us a chance. It started with a little seven-minute sizzle reel that I shot on my iPhone and then became a feature film, which is now one of the best things that's happened through this whole mess that our family went through is that the film is being part of teaching curriculum now at universities and medical schools across the country. My mom was a teacher and to know she's still teaching means so much. And I want to thank the Patient Safety Movement Foundation, our deepest gratitude, what a privilege it is to be a part of this organization and be a part of the Patient Safety family. And what an amazing gift you've given my mother and our family. What a legacy you've given her to know that every year someone's going to get this. And somewhere in the universe, my mom is beaming. So, you know, we accept this incredible honor, especially on behalf of all the voiceless patients and families out there that came before my mom and will unfortunately come after until there is zero preventable harm and zero preventable death. Patient Safety Movement Foundation, thank you very, very much. Thank you, Steve and Margo. We feel your suffering and we're there for you, but great recognition of your film and how you've moved our mission to the Patient Safety Movement Foundation forward.  Okay, well, thank you, Dave. And I just want to say this is the highlight of the year for the Patient Safety Movement Foundation. This is where we can recognize the heroes that we want to see across the globe. You're the people who've stepped up and made a difference. We want to inspire everybody else to do the same. And hopefully by these awards and the recognition when we have leaders like you, this can inspire other people to step up to the plate and really make a difference for us, because that's what we're going to have to do to make patient safety a real achievement across the globe. So, thank you all for what you do. Thank you for your time here. And thank you all indeed. Thank you. Thank you.


All right, this should make for a good video. It did the last time I made one at this place So what we got going on is the indoor fans on the reach-in freezers not not all of them are working They had some ice build-up so they cleaned it out with water and now they've got Fans that ain't working. So either they pulled things loose or whatever I'm not sure exactly which ones which I'm pretty sure the one that they're having the most problem out of is that one over there This one's got bubbles, but if you're not running fans, you're gonna have bubbles Kind of crawl over here to this one and see what we got going on. Yeah, same thing Got bubbles there Some there these are known for leaking a little bit so I'm gonna throw in defrost to see what's going on Not sure if that's all on one That is the place I put it back in 19 Throw in defrost see what happens.  It's got the hippie-hippie shakes going on there Yeah Nice Okay, so the one that's on here because the lights are on It's the one that we didn't do it to So you've got a fan out here and out there One out there This is on another section, this is the one we just put into a defrost Which ended up shutting off all these here so we'll Put that one back on throw the other one in defrost focus on the one that's actually not working All right, so we just tested the clock the clock's cracking time So we'll go ahead and put this one into defrost see how that does Inside see what we can find out what's going on All right, this thing ain't been defrost, but for a couple Couple seconds and then just kicked out and then just kick back on I'm not sure what in the world that was Okay from what I see we have ice build up underneath the coil And That's quite a bit of it behind the coil There we go if you don't get that out from behind the coil It'll just continue to freeze up again and again and again, so we're gonna take all that out And melt all this all the way completely gone. You cannot leave any behind Otherwise it just keeps on growing and growing and growing It's a way This thing works as the air's pulled down crossed Up into the back and out and that ice down there on the bottom I'm just gonna start cutting airflow off and just continue to grow and grow and grow And since the heaters are up here on the top of the panel It will not melt that ice down there on bottom So you've got to completely manually do it by whatever means necessary which usually is garden hose Which is what we got As soon as I get this other section cleared out there, we will get busy on that but right now we're gonna start melting this out Luckily this has happened before He already had the hose ready to go and this will expand all those here Actually, he's making it Actually, it's pretty nice So we're able to get down here Start melting this turd out In here the element's not liking that very well This is a timed off defraw Determination switches and stuff have been gone for a long time. This is a really old grocery store so We uh Just make it run If you get this melted out, we'll check the refrigerant charge once everything's back down to consistency And uh, let's see Let's see how things are. There's a couple spots you can see where it's leaking out there on the discharge line Looks like there's a little bit of leak there and there's several spots that could be leaking here and there It's one of the ones where you just got a good going. Let's make her happen And just when you think you're gonna make some progress The drains here are problematic because things get down in them like little stickers and price tags and things like that so Blow it out and hope that we don't get a bunch out here on the floor because That ends up happening because these drains are underneath here The one that's going to really not be a lot of fun is that over there You can see the ice is all the way up high. So This is going to take a little bit of time unfortunately. So the slow tedious work of that coil over there is done Got everything out of the corners now. We're working on this particular one also on that same compressor The heater's working The Heater you can feel it problem is if you don't get these things cleaned out properly You block off the air flow Fans are running but no air is going through the coil and it just compounds and grows and grows and you can see right here The ice dam that you got here on the back That's the problem you have And we are going to be here for a while because that's a good Good freaking inch or two My drain should be down here somewhere in the middle Trying to find it. I have a feeling that maybe my heater might have froze Or my heater may have went out I believe I replaced the heater on here. I know I did from here out to the outside We're going to Melt us a little path in here and see if we can get that drain open first before I start flooding this thing All right, so this is going to make most people laugh Or cry So here's the drain Comes here. I replaced the drain heater over there on out I don't think there's much of a drain heater here and you can see all the freaking ice Underneath this cabinet. This is so bad So bad so See if I can get this freaking drain line opened up We're making progress If you want to call it that So luckily we're not leaking here, but we are leaking down there a little bit um I've got it To the point where I've got it pretty much cleaned out But it's still not draining for crap trying to Train it out with the gala gun It uh, I've been jamming some hot water through there. This is just the slow tedious thing It's coming out on the other side. I mean least the other one was So I mean, I know it's at least clear from here on through or at least it should be So it could be something in here in this particular spot right there. There's no heat tape at all in this particular one um About all we'd be able to do on that one is just jam something down from the top So I will probably figure out a way to do that when it's all said and done as you can see here This is not idea The conditions there's the heat tape coming out problem is the people that did their parking lot paved it up nice and high So you can see things are kind of coming out here this random stainless steel rod down through there and I mean This just leaves room for crap to get in there. It's it's There's no good way everything about this is just difficult. So It's going to keep on getting at it had to use the freaking torch there on the outside plastic There's freaking ice all down in here from leakage and Must have got it freaking melded because now it's overflowing here, unfortunately shooting out so hopefully it's turning during up the backside here We're outside outside the building. Let's take a look here and see. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Heck. Yes All right, so Now we got that part done and I will guarantee you It's going to have some heat tape going down through the center of it Why it don't have one it's beyond me.  This is going to take a while Don't take a while for sure Kind of curious how much freaking came out the other side. So it's still draining and we're still getting crap done This is not going very quickly because the water is not hot anymore Well, at least the other fans now running We're uh, I had to throw it into like the third defrost fourth defrost Gotta watch out for those uh, fans. They're a little sharp Luckily, it don't hurt too bad. You just bleed everywhere and then when you get water on it makes a mess Yeah, so all my hot water is gone But we've got all the crap from behind the coil So now it's just a matter of getting it underneath these fans, which like I said, it's going really really slow because the water's Just plain cold now, but it's it's Up to about there.  So now I go hook all this frame stuff back up Got some more cuts war wounds I think that's about it on that. So we'll end up Getting this thing back together and we'll juice it up. It's four Uh a little after four on friday And uh, so that's where we're at. So we've got our heat tape ready to go. I got some Zip cord there, which is way bigger than I need. It's 12 gauge and uh got it Uh on there Let's shove it down the drain run it over to the defrost heaters and tie it on that way. I was hoping to wire a constant But no good way to get into that case without drilling a hole and we're now Definitely getting later and the food is getting warmer. So we've got to get this thing done and get out of here Just finally got all the ice out So we're just about there then we're gonna have to Uh Check the uh refrigerant here, which I can guarantee is probably a little bit low But at least we know all the fans work and the only inside fans appear to be working So just a little bit more to go. All right, so we got the freaking heat Tape down the drain there and it had to have made it at least over to the tea here Got the strap to the bottom of the refrigerant line Comes over Ties into our junction box here ties on with the big main heater that goes underneath the coil there I'm going to get this thing back together and get her up and running. Um I did put these little wagos on here that I had left over from my true stuff but unfortunately the uh Like I said, no good way to get it up there. I did add a little bit of a An extension there to try to keep the water from overflowing, which worked fairly decent But um, that's where we're at on it. All right, so knock some of the ice off of it Got the inside running So far the sight glass is full, but we'll see how that changes So if I go back in it's more shelving in Okay All the fans are running Lights ain't on yet, so I'm hoping it's just a snap disk Bringing it on I got to find one more of these little clips. There's one These things are always great I got one here shelf that's not wanting to Get up quite right That should be just wonderful. All right, all those fans work Every single one of them So let me actually have good airflow. This door's about done had it And don't shut on its own You're lucky it'll even you gotta literally push it shut So I got that All right. Well at this point we've got it all de-iced And uh, that drain thing goes out There through the back wall So hopefully this light comes on here in a minute We've got to just let her come down to temp some double check that sight glass and then we'll be done Uh reasoning for it hard to say leaving doors open too long not enough defrost Um defrost clock stick and who knows I mean right now everything's checking out fine It's been almost I think a year and a half or two years since I've had to do it So I don't know if it's been done much since then so, um Yeah, that's about it. So yeah, it's just uh Yeah None of it's on a rack.  So before you go say well, why don't they just buy brand new ones? Well This is just a small town little grocery store here and uh Just ain't the way it rolls starting to come down in temperature.  He's at least got his freezer running Everything's back to normal And then that way I can kind of check it when it's at temperature Otherwise, I'm gonna be here for another hour or two tracking wires down these things have been converted from Uh freaking t12 bulbs or whatever back in the day to led and it's a wiring nightmare underneath there 50 different relays and 15 different wire nuts leading to the next it's uh six so five finally wrapping it up That's the joys of uh getting stuck on something and it's friday. So anyhow, we're gonna go eat three days later All right, so we're back. I noticed a little haze going on here In the windows and it's at temperature.  I'm gonna check this one here in the middle Looks like it's more than just a couple of them. So it just must be the seals plumb Let loose on these things you can see the Moisture there they've got a Little sensor down here on bottom that I've noticed Right there and it does a humidity Sensing and when it does since humidity a certain level it must bring on the heaters So anyhow, we're gonna go out here and check this middle one. It uh, basically Has like I said cyclosis half full or it's low. So let's see what we got going on So as I mentioned We're all back here The other one down there. I had put it at three and it seems to have been working pretty good with that So we're gonna try three here with this one especially with all the reach in action going on I don't think it's into extreme especially the summer coming along humidity going up. These are the freezers so I'm gonna add one to that. We're gauged up. We're taking a look. We're adding some refrigerant to it and When I was scanning it for leaks while it was a pump down I had a little bit of a signal here on the valve now that it's running You can see that it's leaking. So we definitely got a leak here on the solenoid solenoid seal from back in the day They have a tendency to leak once they get that other type of oil poe oil under versus mineral that was probably originally on this thing This thing was originally uh 502 I would suspect so We're gonna go ahead and get it charged up and see where we're at and then See if we can tighten that up. If not, we'll have to get a new seal for it. I resprayed it after tightening it Which I got a pretty good turn out of it Does not seem to be leaking anymore I can tell I grow now I think very good.  No Writing of what was there. I mean you can tell how long it's been here Back in the day it was HP62 which was the scientific name or proprietary name New con before they went to 404 This coil's are pretty dirty gotta get this cleaned out, which I don't have any water anywhere near here All right, so we're washing it out here with some hot water which Believe it or not That thing is kicking it right out the other side.  I can't believe It's got enough of them to reach all the way around here. It's probably about 250 foot 300 foot and It this is what I used the other day to clean out the evaporator section But we're kind of doing it both ways here. It's Total mess back here That's where the knee pads come in handy You can see just we're shooting what we were shooting through that some of this has not completely gotten wet so Kind of working it up and down Kind of working it up and down trying to get all that through there that is a thick coil Definitely a thick coil. That's pretty wide so I mean Generally, I've noticed if you worship worship you worship if you wash it properly You don't necessarily have to use the cotton coil cleaner and stuff like that. I mean there's times where I like using it, but Not every day you really need it just depends Just depends everybody's got their own preferences. I'll use it when I need to so we got them both cleaned out You can see daylight right through these things really good now Sort of Yeah, you kind of can't there's no light back here because it's inside the wall but um It's uh doing a lot better than what it was You need to see what uh Our pressures are running now that we got actual air going through it 240s so we're not too far off It's still drying obviously The fan there is not running So the other thing I worry about with the on coil cleaner or any kind of cleaner or whatever Getting it into winding to the motor. I'm not going to tear all these motors out to do it And it splashes all inside there and the next thing you know, a day or two later You lose the motor so On these ones here, they're really difficult See them well Yeah, there you go. So yeah, we got it I try not to use that coil cleaner on ones like this with that wide There's just really not much reason to but you know, it's definitely a thick coil So we're gonna keep on seeing where our side glass is at and then uh Hopefully get out of here for long