est to maybe for once in his life look at things from a different point of view that's all at least try to understand what you're criticizing because you're just making rookie ass mistakes here ass mistakes I mean he's one of this like a bazillion this is the thing if we were to do like responding to videos that are vaguely or directly addressing EFAP we wouldn't be able to do any normal episodes anymore we're very much like not in favor of covering them at this point because this keeps happening because there's the other one that we were people are asking us to cover where they open with saying objectivity meaning the like majority vote on what is good they think objectivity is the majority opinion and we're like what the where the fuck did you get that from the majority opinion is that Mandalorian is good the majority opinion is that spaceballs isn't boring it's just like it's just like by the way some people are like where's this video findable and who made it it's fine you don't need to know really some obviously some mentally challenged you don't need to find it because we don't want to encourage any kind of brigading and if we're to believe what Jay said then apparently that's what this guy wants and he's probably going to do the thing with a screenshot all the comments and then they post on Twitter about how he's made a 10 hour go find it and be nice just leave some constructive criticism just tell them that basically like cool you seem like a nice guy but he doesn't though he's like oh they didn't like these movies because they are bigots and like big old start it with whatever this is nicely narrated and edited but I think there's some points here that aren't quite right it's not though look at this it looks other than the Superman background with his drawing hey there you go things are looking up for that person at that point alright so we're going to do a couple of memes and then we'll be moving on to the main event which is naturally coming in at the like three hour ish mark like yay that makes sense right I don't even know what you're covering this it was very exciting to cover another terrible video that doesn't know what the hell it's talking about oh it's a whole it's a whole mixed bag today like it's just adventure space and time that's a movie it's really good you should watch it adventure through space and time yeah I think it might be in it sounds kind of generic adventure through space and time hello alien yeah it's from 2013 an adventure in space and time to acknowledge him hello metal hello metal ah what's he doing here some things get thrown into memes where I'm curious as to what I'm supposed to do with them it's joker j I suppose it's joker j I like that one I saw it it's good I feel you're gonna wear it on joker day I feel like doing the kill wait what's joker day it might be my Halloween one the in-cell celebration I think it might be it might be what I do for Halloween in-cell celebration day it's like hey women terrible black widow can't be up anyone society j society j society j this is a screen shot of that Mandalorian podcast I believe got fighting e-fap chat very dramatic was it a split tism splism this is one I think we're talking about how Adler was spotted by the village people oh no all those village people I hope you learn one person iraqs you you happy to read something yeah let's give it a look oh my this is the story of the spiders this is the story of the spiders by the spider gifted to scubidubius scubidubius quentinus the immortal arrived at our cave at dusk with an army of tisms we were expecting him for we foresaw this meeting quentinus dismounted his rhino and demanded to see us as he walked into our cave my brothers and I greeted him expecting you quentinus I demanded what do you ask of us young massive quentinus gripped his stick like weapon furiously and yelled my master babilius chimpanius told me that the long men still live does he lie we crawled to our cosmic crystal egg and we shouted our chant tisms and geodes consumed by the cosmic rhino give this massive what he seeks as we finished we saw what he was seeking my oldest brother spaghettius shouts your master does not lie the long men are not all extinct he continues there is one long man quentinus screamed if there is one more long man then tell me how to find him or I will kill all of you with my army of tisms I told my brothers before he arrived that we must not reveal his location for the long man has an even higher importance my youngest and last brother sphigor sphigor sphigor sphigor crawls close to quentinus and says if you attack us it will be the death of you and your army we know every strategy will use against us and then shouted leave massive before you make babilius search for a new massive spaghettious announces you will be searching for him until the end of days quentinus but you will never be able to kill him quentinus said let me just say I hate the long men they embarrass me every day we interrupt leave you have gotten what you seen hmm he reached for his stick like weapon in trying to strike me we destroyed his weapon and threw him out of our cave and sealed off the entrance the story has ended as the great jibby said please clap my god very cool didn't see me but I stood up for that embarrassing I'll sit down okay why are you sitting down why not it's hard to be by like it there's a couple of doom images coming up this is one of them of course he's using themes to attack me an objectively bad take you having a giggle asshole if you've seen blade rudder the new blade rudder sorry this makes a lot of sense and I like it but if you have it it'll be confusing it's just quentin's desires that's all you need to know terrifying terrifying desires what's that thing on his face like a band-aid duct tape things because he broke his nose I believe you can't I'm a film stud net night ralph of tism 1420 at the battle of tism ralph's bad joker take I wouldn't say I like you night mauler of long 1420 at the battle of tism oh my god and I've got rags literature devil, metal and jay on my gauntlet of efap you got wolf dargo baggins as wise words on the battle of tism I think you saw this one already ranks it's a classic oh that is a good one little wax I'm always the woman from Greta Thunberg the writer and director of how dare you why I'm always the woman why I'm always the woman I think this is when you were drunk you were drunk nubblios regusks regusks and the beautiful image the words are rags this is a mural there's a lot of these doomed ones yeah I guess the effap community see the people we cover is demons I mean well it's doomed maternal coming out soon and everybody's really waiting for it no it's what I said The murder of people they disagree yes, because they are they are ill ill-moral creatures This is someone having created mooper. I believe Like movie Bob's the fat demon down there You got episode one.  Oh, I guess that was annoying orange video.   Oh, sorry, how did I?  I don't know for sure It could be a TKO sure drawing Could be yeah Well, we got another doom one my god I like people use that Quinton face all the time Okay, there's Jojo down there Jojo's been in a lot of these he needs to do another video for us to respond to Rags managed to beat the Rhino nice Damn son size portrayal growing of rags It's super effective Are you sure that the back vision of the Mola head came all the way from the um The Kingsman video. I think that was like the first time it was made and a lot of people using it And I'm okay with this that is how the back looks. Oh My god doom again No, no, this is a big hand in the background, that's probably a large demon Oh It looks like it's behind brown table No, it's just a hand that's right next to the camera and then it like fades away. Okay This is why I have you around J And that's why I also use things like this to kick you. Oh No, it's terrible. Oh, it's it's there's blood on it too. Oh No, it's the stasmid of knives. That's that's yeah, that's what I mean. There's blood on them as well. I Means the Isle of Man bleeds My god another doom one What's a doom wins Why are there five legs? Well, do you know normal people mute their mics when they eat? Normal people don't scrape their knives across their plates. Yes Normal people have good sounding mics Am I muffled again? No, you're fine right now.   You don't have to be alive to read No, you don't have to be alive for people to like hear about you and oh that guy must be Another example of moopa hunted by your future haunted by your past. Also. I think that's a new version of an alternate angle for my mask Yeah, in this scenario that means Ralph kills himself and it kills me The meaning you can draw from that is intense Have a second law entry Brags you up to it. Oh Let's get a look journal entry of the first encounter of Goliath by Smigidius the Night Watchman translated by Scooby-Dooby us In January is 23rd year of the third January is January is We were attacked last night by a hideous creature We believe was the how was the thing that destroyed our rhino milk supply I could hear a painful howl and then silence I thought nothing of it until there was a loud crash at the wall the wall had been breached I could see the beast it was larger than all the buildings in the city a guard ran to me and told me I Need to help kill a giant beast that I could barely see in the darkness By the time we got to the beast its backs was covered in arrows yet It seemed to not notice over 30 nights charged at this beast and the beast breathed fire and burnt them to a crisp Just like my wife's cooking on Tuesdays The battle continued we cut and stabbed the beast till our blades became dull It never showed a hint of pain I climbed on top of a building and I charged towards it and struck at its eye It countered me and I was flung through a building that I found out was my second wife Helga's house Because my extremely heavy armor hit her at the speed of a carriage That pleased me, but then the beast tried to pull me out of the house I kept stabbing at its paws, but nothing happened It then grabbed me and threw me into some of the guards It continued its rampage slaughtering and eating anything in its path It was horrible. It even killed the rhino milk salesman It reached the castle and destroyed it I could see it breathe fire into it completely roasting everyone inside like my wife's tism day chicken We all battled this beast till the brink of dawn When it fled our kingdom we were devastated We were once many now we have become few what massive would create such a beast such as that one Very hard to keep a record on Goliath, but Do we I think we showed this one before I still love it Yeah Someone found a photo of me in my previous job, right?  The joke is gone never mind. All right I think he said sorry about your jews because he's very racist. I don't really know no Typical german don't even need any captions or discussion about this one that's self-evident Deep in my doggo bones Snoke it already turned his heart and he was having visions that cock All right Oh, I think this is just e-fap sort of checking out art and stuff What is that from? Oh, you seen that right? I have yeah Not recently though I have seen it. Oh jay you'll like this I was made on minecraft. Yes Neat Looks pretty good I think I'd like that, huh specifically because you like uh raid shadow legends, right? I'm actually gonna do a stream playing that soon.  I'm gonna stop Raid I'm do stream it and then play it and then review it No, I'm gonna play it while I'm streaming it actually that you're gonna review it while you're streaming it I'm gonna review it while I'm streaming it Now I'm gonna review it after I stream it Yeah, I guess this is someone you can get and make sense The long man travels the wilds of tis merrier In search of the fabled cosmic chicken sustained through his battle against the orphans only by rhino milk and weird grapes.  I'm not sure where but Doing this thing What's He's dreaming about something Sometimes we just got one of those days. Yeah dreaming about dreaming about jumping Sure jumping And someone made this for a potential if you think about valentine's day thing But um, we're probably not we're not gonna be able to do it on a valentine's day specifically So this could have been the cover, but it is nice. Just do the one nearest to valentine's day Hard work Yeah, because if it's the eighth then You know, we could do a I don't know That's the day it is now. Yeah, right. It's the eighth now Well, I mean, yeah, I'd say if it's the eighth, you know today then You realize what the next one would be too far from it with this trend started. It's gonna be um It's gonna be like every every minor holiday I'm gonna make the covers to see how they're gonna get used now. All right. It's time.  And there's always like a tug of war thing going on And if you remember it was a quiet for a while and then rags and I played a podcast clip Where he wasn't exactly being charitable You could put it that like that And then it was still quiet again and then he put out his video on rise skywalker and he he left a thing in there And I was like, oh Oh, he really annoyed me because he's supposed to be trying to like, you know Not not rock the boat seemed to be what the goal should be But no, maybe I'm just retarded on that front. Maybe I just don't understand what he actually was his goal and so Uh, he sent me a message Like partially confused as to why I was like pissed off at him And I was like, we should probably finally have a discussion about it. That'll be great because uh I think I mentioned it in this thing But we'd set them up several times and it just never seems to happen So he's like fine. Let's do it and uh, he agreed to let me record it And uh played on e-fap and so this this is the essentially the conclusion of Trying to talk about everything that happened and obviously if anybody wants to pause and comment at any point to add anything I imagine rags might want to at some point um Can do it was very civil And uh, you guys should be able to get some confirmation on different things about uh, what happened from I hate everything directly This is going to be an e-fap within an e-fap now Don't get weird Uh, so Is this going into the watch together or yes, and um, it's going to be released as an eu after we've covered it Uh Like I'll probably put it out like a day after this one. I suppose And so it's an hour long so We're going to be mostly listing to it a log with the people in chat I'm um You got a second so I could grab a drink. Yeah go for it No, sorry about that. I probably should have done that earlier, but it's fine I mean the the opening like I want to say 10 minutes or so or five minutes is like we just just uh Yeah, we're just talking about how rise of skywalker sucks Okay, uh, go ahead and play.  This is not The conversation that wolf and I had with him This is one. Yeah, he asked not he asked to not have that go up So you're not getting that one. Sorry and that's going to be discussed here as well.   Just make fun of people for being dead. Aren't you? I read an addiction. We could Oh, that's a waste. I thought it was going to be the infamous clip. I hate everything beg more or not to release It's not like like I said, it gets discussed anything Of interest that is in that one is essentially discussed in this one Um, you get confirmation stuff also can't get on with it yet.  Oh my god. Okay.  It's not it's not a huge deal. Here we go. I suppose Can we um, so yeah, I guess The easy thing to say would be rise of skywalker was I mean, I don't know how you feel about it Specifically in as many words, but I thought it was a disaster Yeah, I'm I'm curious. Do you think it's better or worse than the last jedi? Uh, I've had that discussion with a couple people. We're doing a podcast tomorrow to go through it. Just quick Just quick. What what do you reckon? Honestly? I'm on the fence. It's really so the way I would break it down Simply is I think tlj does more damage to character. But uh, rise of skywalker is I think done the most damage to the legacy of stars Like it it's completely undone Anakin sacrifice, which was the Does it not bug you how This last one feels way more like a product and not like a sure it feels like it's trying to find it to everybody Like even if you hate the last jedi and you know, I'm gradually getting there clearly. Um At least it was one guy's like story and vision That's something that they're very yeah I'm I'm actually in favor of the singular writer director assuming They are able to handle it all and stuff and you know, I I would never have been on board with jj taking the ending of the trilogy He's like, I'm very familiar with his work and Yeah, he's just not who else could have Who else even wanted the job?  I can't believe it. That's true I gotta be obviously bad like if well that again if I was offered like a billion dollars or able to do it I probably would be interested but I would actually I would tell people like I don't know if I'll be able to do it But I feel like I could have done better than jj at least in writing the story because my god the macguffins, man I think I think it's it was actually an impossible task. I can't imagine Even way to begin You know, yeah, yeah, it's it's well. That's the yeah, that's part of it So a lot of people will say that you know tlj was damaged because of the fact that it had to be a sequel to the terrible tfa But r.o.s. Or whatever you want to call it tross episode nine was also damaged by the fact that had to be a sequel to a film that Ended like everything ended. I don't even know where they were supposed to go Yeah, like I love that we open with ray training as if it's like, hey, look, right? That's might that's I can't believe this like the the character is supposed to have progressed a little bit You know supposed they're supposed to be like in the last chapter of their their story at this point The one time she trains she loses to kylo Yeah, that makes sense They made it like the complete reverse of how we understood it with luke It yes total pandering to To like feedback, you know, they're not even making their own movie anymore They're just making a checklist based on things people are saying online and so we we make sort of jokes about how like They take shots at tlj in the trailer by having a remaking the mask. I never expected there to be so many So many blatant shots against tlj in this film. It's like a bitter movie It was like one of the weirdest aspects to me because it's like a hateful film almost Like that was bothering me almost more than anything. It's like, okay You could have at least been A little bit glass half full about it.  Like it doesn't just not exist The way they just ignore rose. She's like kicked out of the film Yeah, like it it creates even more problems because It makes it just weirder that fin doesn't even like talk to her about like the kiss they had or like this just There's no implication as to their relationship at that point. Yeah, it's ignored Yeah, I know that's the tlj's rat con like the uh, they call holders maneuver a one in a million shot I don't I don't think yeah, that just made me ask ask even more questions about it, you know How could that be? That just made it even more distracting I would have preferred if they just didn't mention it because then you can just pretend that it doesn't exist But now they got you thinking about it. It's a pretty big target I don't see how she was gonna miss if she went straightforward if that's how that works I don't I don't understand. Yeah, and there are like so many other more creative ways They could have tried to write themselves out of it, but that was the way they took it All right, and and that's the thing if we ignore star wars and the last Jedi and everything else the film itself is God awful. This is your standard sort of Writing issues the entire final battle is is ridiculous They say that the ships don't know how to go up on their own. They have to have someone tell them how But if they destroy that thing they win that just the fleet of Like death star enabled star destroyers like I can't believe that like what is enticing about Well, what can be bigger than that? That's we've we've backs that we got an army of star destroyers mobile star destroyer. Well, I say mobile, but like more mobile and Yeah, it's insane. It's JJ Abrams. That's what I mean. Like all of this just matches up with what he does Um, yeah I compared it to star trek into darkness. Have you seen that movie? Yes Um, without knowing anything about star trek. I found it to be a Action-packed adventure, but listening to people break it down. I was just like, yeah, this is pretty bad Yeah, it has like a similar kind of problem where it's just pandering to fans of the series At the like most top level and not even thinking about their own story It's just what JJ Abrams does and he's done for so many of his films And didn't he make like a deal with Warner Brothers for 500 million to start working on dc movies? He's uh, he's seriously He's wiping through franchises. You know, he's done with star wars Yeah, man Not impressed and so You've you've come to sort of don't appreciate tlj as much now. Yeah well Now we have to dial it back a bit. I suppose to sort of give some context as to this whole situation um Of course the main reason we know each other is because of my fairly controversial last jedi video where I was I was I attempted to sort of deconstruct the the reaction more than just talking about the movie And I don't think that's what people wanted but I was My logic was that everyone had already said everything They could about the movie and I didn't get like just a normal review at first and I was like, what's the different angle I can take? let's try and talk about the fan shit and It just it didn't work out ultimately in the end and I I regret that angle of the video And I wish I had just talked about the movie because I would have brought other I always knew that there was a lot of dumb shit in the movie I'm gonna have to make sure I mention when the thing is paused because otherwise people think this is a part of the video It's paused right now.  No, I was right. My video was correct. The rebuttals were garbage I'm glad I made it and I would have done it again Check me out. What's the video? What was the video about? Well, oh, well, there was well the last Jedi video that we're talking about right now from I hate everything was saying like, oh Uh, the fans are harassing me and this is a fine movie and I was never bored And then the other one referring to is the one by uh, the right opinion and where he got on Quinton and it was a total abortion probably way worse than ihg's video So um, yeah, that's what we're referring to those two and both of them have gone on record saying that they regretted Making their videos and I suppose quickly for clarification timeline Uh, I hate everything makes this video on tlj rags response to it to our response to that We respond to that in the meantime sniping is going on and uh There was never a time where we got to have a civil conversation And there's all kinds of reasons it happened, but uh, we eventually did in amongst all of this and Uh, it went well and because wolf had recorded it but not released it It caused loads of bad blood, which to me was always just a misunderstanding and we do go over it okay Like I joked about it with my friends once like I finished it, but I hadn't had someone break down the actual like Plot and why a lot of it is like and point out things like one of the most egregious things about the movie being that On kanto bite those and the fucking animals and shit they like prioritize the animals over the human children and like human like smarter entities that are there that are implied to be like force sensitive Like just stuff like that like yeah, you I don't even hear the counter It's like what were they gonna do taking to a war zone?  Well, yeah, no, I agree That whole plotline is bizarre if it had ended with like I don't know. I'm trying to think of like I shouldn't bother trying to try and fix it It's just that yeah, that was one of the initial takes a lot of the main reason I like the idea of having the characters going to a planet and establishing a place So then at the end of the movie they can call back to a place that they've been to show that their message is being spread Like I understand what he was going for but it's through the execution It's the same with a lot of things in the movie like I really like the idea of taking Luke to the place he goes in the last Jedi But it's through the execution and just the lack of exploration that it It doesn't work on the same level that it really could and it that's a that's a part that really That's like the most hurtful thing about it.  Like why is it that we can't just have episode seven and we have Rays called Darth Vader. I mean like well, they're not the same character whatsoever. It's like, yeah Well, it's been 30 years could have been yeah, like it's not how it works. It's like well We had a flashback. It's like that was like five seconds like with that We need a lot more than that. It's like well Luke said the Jedi have failed in the prequels that explains kind of his motivation It's like but that's so one-sided. They did everything they could to stop Emperor Palpatine. That's ridiculous and so have have you gone back a bit on the On the fact that it went wrong with the last Jedi and more so than just the whole Direction of the franchise from the work go Well, so I'm the only the only significant interesting change I would have had since like two years ago Probably would be that I think tfa went from like an okay movie to terrible The more I explored all the plot elements because I'm still working on my series to sort of get through all of what's wrong with that film I think it's the best of the three, but it's terrible and that they're all terrible and that this entire project from disney was On its face a blatant way to just be like, hey, we want more roti. How do we do that? Um, yeah, I guess I would concede that ryan was the one out of the two of them that seemed to want to do Do something with it. I just uh, I don't really celebrate that when it's botched, uh, jj, you know, like I just said to the force awakens I think is the best one even though it's a complete clone a really bad clone But I think he achieved that better than ryan achieved what he was uh aiming to do But yeah, I say in the video I just put up today about the new movie I talk about the last Jedi and how I think about it now um What part was I thinking of it's such a fucking reevaluation.   I appreciate the message of the film But I just think it was botched like I stand by the Poe didn't make a bad decision in the opening um from the information we have And a lot of people will argue it's like, yeah, but you know Pissed off Leia like and and and those people died. It's like, yeah Yeah, he had to do all these things like if he didn't do that They'd all be dead and I'm sorry that ryan made it the way that he did but that's all I can conclude from the narrative I look at it. I'm like, I don't understand what he did wrong Yeah, there's only so many leaps of logic you can take even in a silly space movie You know what I mean, like there is there needs to be rules that you saw Like have you seen what's happening with patrick williams lately?   Like it's all right. It's all right. But if someone said what you think that he can't because it's a kid I'd be like no just about anything really like Save that for like the birth of your child or a wedding or something But like watching his trailer for star wars movie that does kind of blow me away personally. It's fine You know and and you know good luck to him because I think I think that he's actually gained some fans from it And it's just like yeah, he enjoys his media fine But to you know patrick williams made it a very significant point of his platform to be like you cannot take this stuff this seriously It's for kids and I'm like what? Wally is one of my favorite movies of all time Yeah, that's that's the wrong way to put it. What he should be saying is that he forgives things more than He doesn't with that franchise because it's based off old adventure serials Like that would make more sense Well, he's clarified in saying that he was specifically talking about people who go out and harass cast members and as much as I Understand that point. I completely agree with him. That's totally not how it translated in his video And I don't think that's the point he was making in his video. Honestly, I think it's just why I even picked the fight Well, he referenced me in that video as well He said I don't care if there's a five hour video of a guy Aggroly rad take about how she hates the film, but I was like, it's not what I did, but all right Right, and you know if you if you said what I was doing was taking the movie too seriously I just feel like no, I took it seriously. They take pretty much any stories. I like my stories I don't know especially star wars quite close to me. I uh Luke Skywalker was not someone I realized I cared about so much until I watched TLJ Because I was like what the hell happened to you like You know like when he's like go away.  Yeah, I mean, it's a totally fair perspective and read on the movie like I get it big time Um, well, how do you feel about your video right now like that one back then? Oh My the the last Jedi video I put out. Yeah Yeah, I already sort of said like I regret the angle I I took and I wish I had just done a more regular review So maybe people would have understand did like where I'm coming from a bit better That's what I was. Yeah, that's what I was saying like I was re-evaluating my new video my a more You know thoughtful Look back at the film because everyone knows the things that I like about it But they didn't really hear the things I didn't and the things that I don't like about the movie I sort of said today, which are all the things, you know, everyone knows it's just reiterating But it was the imbalance. I think of that original video that Pissed people off and led to this impression. Well, there was the quote. I remember the annoyed me was the but the whole like Star Wars is a Series about finding the light or whatever and it was like why are fans like hating When they should yeah, that's that's very over the top Well, yeah, because it was weird coming from you as well because like I really like your takedown videos of stuff like Destiny I've never played destiny and I really enjoy your video to just just yeah throttling it right and and there's people like isn't that series equally about trying to like Work toward the light. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's not consistent with the way I'd made videos before and that was a mistake to take that angle I mean, okay, I can't change it now. It's like it exists I'm not gonna take the video down because I don't I don't do that. I like leaving my My history up so people can see like I think it's important to show that your opinion can change Absolutely. I mean like I think it's really toxic to like I've been open to If you ask me what I thought of tfa four years ago. I'd have told you it was a great film Yeah Yeah, that's what I mean had me talk to me now I'd be like you are really not looking and I watched I think it was er's video Where I was like, holy shit like I didn't realize so much about what's wrong with tfa And then I looked into it myself And just being a little bit more critically eyed instead because I you know, I'm a big star wars fan Like jj knew what he was doing. He dangled them keys, man Like the millenium falcon han solo lightsabers. I was just like, yeah, it's his star wars I got my star wars and then once it all dies down.  Yeah, because they just focus purely on the visual And relied on nostalgia for the as the substance but nostalgia isn't substance. So that's a problem Um, yeah, I agreed And obviously, yeah, so timeline of events then um rags made his response to you. Um, yeah You were not happy with that response as far as I'm aware Um, well, obviously wasn't pleased. No No, no, like this is the natural result anybody finds out there's a video on them. They're immediately going to be defensive That's totally yeah, and I have no problem with someone Like disagreeing with me and going through why they thought what I said was ridiculous. I could I have no issues with that, but obviously like It's just like awkward, you know, it's like when youtubers are making videos about each other like it's It's like picking a fight in a way, you know, like it's well I mean, you you know, you're talking to the guy who's we've respond on eFap now to more youtubers than I don't even know What are the That's what I mean You guys they think you guys are way more used to it than I think a lot of other youtubers are because And you know, I want to I want to clarify like our goal is never to to to bully or destroy Like as much as there may be some kind of like hyperbolic memes about it like we I don't know if you know if I've said this before but like our I want to say fifth episode We address a video made about me and the guy who made it came on to guests and we talked about his video And he's now become the most regular guest we have outside of me and rags So why why do you think that sorry excuse my voice people listening? I've got a cold at the moment. Why do you think there's like a A narrative spread saying the opposite then to that kind of thing Uh, I don't think what we do is common enough for people to not take it as essentially Like like if you watch us and you know, let's just say we cover a guy who says Star Wars is uh, is a show that is meant for babies.  That makes no sense at all.  I can totally understand if they felt attacked or whatever I usually don't go as far as like being like this person's a piece of shit I'll usually try and be devil's advocate as much as I can but I will Uh, absolutely condemn arguments that I think are terrible and I try not to assume too much motivation unless I've got a lot of evidence which like I have with quinton, for example But we don't have to get into that. Um, right the idea is that uh It's a couple of guys watching a youtube video taking it all piece by piece very seriously and assessing like what we think we've covered I think now like I want to say about eight videos in total not many But we played them and we've concluded these are actually very good Um, we usually watch videos that were either sent in like fans really want us to cover them And we we cover ones that um, we think offer a lot in terms of a vehicle for conversation We usually Like hey the if if person feels the misrepresented they can come on and talk about this with us, but they Really respond well. We've had several exactly. We've had now. I think like eight people drop in live when we're covering them and have a discussion with us Um on the video and then we promote their channel and it all works out really well But we can't expect that to happen every time and we do what we can sort of thing but we're we principally will not remove the idea of insults because I don't know that like we're going to be in a world where we just pamper everything who we're just like I disagree with your argument Here is why next argument You know it's nice to have a bit of spice and entertainment But in in the same way if I cover a video That's covering me that says something like more fucking idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about I'd be like all right present your argument instead of being like i'm not going to watch this This is uh, they're taking it too far I try to ignore The insult element if i'm going to try and maintain that people don't need to take insults that seriously um If that makes sense But I guess but yeah, obviously you know when the strangers are insulting you and you know like Maybe exaggerating the way they're they're behaving for entertainment for their fans But like that's the thing about youtube Everyone has their own little area and their own way of existing and sometimes when they overlap They kind of clash in that way and I think that's kind of what happened Um with that whole rags thing because right because he respond. That's his forte. He responds to people That's always what he's done. He was very into star wars.  Does that happen typically? well Yeah, yeah with other youtubers. I've often talked about um like films. I even talked with um You know the youtuber the act man. He's like a gaming channel We talked with him um about the last jedi just really casually just You know just talking about the movie like you do with just friends. So I have no problem talking to other people about it, you know Yeah, it's you know civil but it's that's just what made it feel weird to me from the beginning was just like Oh, well, I guess I mean similarly right if you had said to rags like cinema message saying I think your video was extremely unfair I'd like to discuss it with you. He probably would have said yes And I actually did search for him on twitter to see like us Oh, fuck off But he was banned so I And I didn't really search for it further than that because I didn't really know Well, I was just gonna say like the best thing to do if they can't find twitter This might even be the first thing is go to a youtubers about page and just look for their business email That would be the best way to contact him. Well the thing is like honestly, um, this is the Aside from that like Derek savage thing. It's the only beef I've ever had with the Another youtuber of that size. Uh-huh at least Um, so I don't really know what I'm doing like or what you're supposed to do. So I just thought Because I just ignore it. Well, that's the thing, right?   I just don't know if it's it's feasible or reasonable like if Yeah, we're interested. So we we see it as a sort of we are viewing youtube casually as one does and we're like Look at this video that's available. This person made public. So this person should be Ready and waiting for someone to be like watching it and possibly being critical of it or celebrating it Like I said, we've praised and um supported and promoted loads of different channels as we watch these Sort of things. It's just we take them as they come sort of Yeah, I don't know if it'd be worth to when you know, you're gonna be covering a video Maybe maybe like emailing them or trying to tweet them or something just once just so there's something, you know So people like if they really want to and they feel like it's really unjust They have a chance before, you know, like it's all You know, you could even have them on the show or whatever if they see it I mean as much as I understand it's like so if someone said Um, let's just say I know there's not not saying this would happen But let's just say you tiaro and quintin did a podcast we watched my I rage on uh tlj or whatever. I'm responding to a live. I wouldn't be upset that you hadn't told me I'd be interested to see it. Right I get I I just don't I just don't do this. So, you know, I don't really start beef with people I try to keep it just out of the channel because I just think it's also like it just never ends Everyone has like not fun to me. Everyone has a different idea of like what I guess the correct etiquette would be Yeah, exactly. What do you like up to date feel about rags video? um, well obviously like Well, here's the thing right I'd like after I've like spoken to you and all these people and read all the reviews and everything And like adjusted my opinions on it like I can't say it was because of that video or Okay, any or anything because of that video Perhaps talking to you specifically was like a point where I started thinking about in a different way perhaps but I I don't really like the video obviously like I don't know how I could be expected to Like the whole point of the video is to make me look like a moron. Like how could I? um, I mean I can totally get why you would have that sort of reaction rags is His character is very confident and so he will often use like sort of responsive language that'll Definitely make the person look like like where were they going with that point? But um, yeah It was making me look like one of those, you know, like the normal stuff he covers Which is like some pretty extreme stuff sometimes so it was like putting me in the same bucket as them Well, sure. I don't I don't know that he would say that I don't know if he thought that about your video like we've It may not be intentional, but I think it does read that way For some people that's all. Yeah possibly. Um, so Then uh, tiaro decided to make his video on rags timeline wise, I guess and I was uh featured quite heavily in it as well And quintin was the guest to criticize both me and rags and obviously me and right I I'd seen a portion of it I believe I left a comment saying something like oh, hey, this is cool Um, let's get this discourse going. Let's let's talk this through I'll update the like I'll edit this comment as I'm watching it and I got incredibly disappointed immediately By a lot of the ways that um, they approached the arguments And I think I ended the comment with being like I'm not watching anymore Like this is you've gone way too far with a lot of this. Um, and we left it when Yeah, this is when I'm like not part of the story anymore like that that video was made independently of me Um, I knew I knew it was being made, but I I added no Um, like opinions to it like it was totally their opinions Um, but before we get to like we any of the e-fap involvement you did Because this is this is if I'm getting the timeline right just correct me if I'm wrong But you left the comment on it that really pissed me off, right?  I do I I think um You should be allowed to you know do your thing on this side of youtube like and exist and like I have no problem with What you're doing like that's fine to me. Okay, and that was like the main thing I was saying in that comment And I don't know what to tell you. It's just emotional about it. Yeah. No, I understand.  So um, we got to clarify all of that and um Again, like this I'm not in any way trying to push you anywhere or entice you But it's just because we get these questions all the time Did you feel like it was something to apologize for or or not? What sorry, what? The color that said I was a childish coda said they get Oh, yeah, but you have to you have to also understand like I'd never like watched any of your videos I barely knew who you were and my entire perception of you was built around Like just comments left by people that I read like I mean it was just yeah. So yeah, I don't I don't mean what I said in that comment. So Yeah, I do apologize for I apologize to you in person on that call actually about that comment. That's that's what I remember. Yeah Yeah, I appreciate that a lot. Um I uh, so in that conversation I think our first conversation was just about like trying to be objective about reviewing something and then we moved on to Just tlj in general Yeah, and then we talked about marble for like hours Yeah, I was gonna say correct me if I'm wrong But me and wolf like we did go try and go through like all of the significant issues we had with the last Jedi, right? Yeah, well the call the context of the call from my end anyway wasn't about No, it just became about the last Jedi like we were just We were just chilling just talking about whatever and of course that came up and we just started talking naturally in a laid-back sort of way and you just went through I assume what um Like you've all covered before like just but like you have in your brain now So you can just whip it out whenever you want. Yeah, like obviously it's been our Uh, our bread and butter if you will like we know the arguments back to front We know all the counters back to front like it's just been something we've been doing for a while Yeah, so um Yeah, that obviously got me thinking and like You at a certain point you like have to concede you you can't you know You have to take the blow to your ego and accept the fact that like Well, maybe I did read this wrong So then you've got to think about like so what was it that I was really liking about the movie and I think I've discovered that but Um again, so do you remember when we were like, is there any chance you could have anything publicly said about it? And you essentially would just like not you don't really want to Yeah, so uh This is the part that I found just uh A little bit off to me. Mm-hmm I'm not used to talking about this kind of like behind the scenes drama type stuff But I guess I have to just to I guess to fend myself in a way. Yeah. Yeah, sure go for it uh But yeah, like so I found out at the end of the recording right after we've been um Talking for all the all those hours because it started late and it ended really fucking late What was it? We must have started talking at like 2 a.m. Yeah, I finished at like 7 a.m. It was ridiculously long. Yeah Yeah, it was obscenely long. Um But I found out at the end when uh, we were retired that um Wolf had been like secretly um, like recording me For for the duration of the discord call like without my knowledge, which I thought was uh Kind of a slimy thing to do and like an unprofessional thing. Um, even if it wasn't like spread around or anything, but Yeah, no, I and so and his motivation was that Um, he wanted to show it to a friend. Yeah, just full context I believe the conversation was supposed to be between me and you and then you asked if you could bring in I think tiaro And then I told wolf in a p.m. I was like, I'm actually speaking to you directly right now because I was blown away and he was like Holy shit, and then I think I asked at one point. Is it okay if he comes in? He's a friend of mine. I know that he'd want to meet you So he came in and then a friend of his at the time was told that he was talking to you But he obviously couldn't just bring anybody in and so the person was like, I don't believe you that sort of thing And he was just like, oh no, I am and he did a um I think like a private stream and just sent the guy the link and he was like see there and then he just left it run and now The the contention comes in where let's say the conversation went badly And like we just didn't get on with each other and we thought that it was like not even worth it There's a good chance wolf would have deleted it The reason why he presented it to us as something to release is because he thought that the conversation went really well And it was like something fun for everybody to listen to But obviously yeah, hadn't counted on was the fact that me and you were just like, oh It was recorded like I remember being the way I operate because again, this is I remember hearing it in your voice You're a bit like oh And this is the thing like I know that we're going to be slightly different on this but like Me and rags have talked about this publicly. I I don't say anything That I don't expect to be put online because of how the internet is and secondly if you're speaking to somebody who like There's different conversations I've had with different people over the time who have been like outwardly critical of all of me and my Work will only agree to a private discussion and so I half the time will recommend like record yourself for safety in case Something is said or done that is not representative of what happened just to cover your own ass sort of thing. However The conversation we had there was nothing Controversial it was just like oh, this is the movie. This is what we thought of it And you're like, okay, and you took a lot of thoughts into mind and then it sort of ended and I was actually Like like in the position of being like, okay Because of the fact that he hadn't let us know It's probably not good etiquette wise to to release it and we don't really need to Not hugely important You could just we can you know, we can talk publicly about how hey, yeah, you know, mine might have been changed But but but yeah, maybe not. However, it was If let's say it was a principal thing that was it like I just I just thought it was Really weird and it made me feel quite strange, you know, like right secretly recorded and be like, oh I didn't realize that was part of the deal here. I'm like it's the first time you've spoken Yeah, I'm coming from the perspective of knowing him really well I know for a fact he didn't do it with any ill intent the fact he hasn't released it I think probably shows that at least to a degree because that it was supposed to just fade into memory, right, but obviously Pushing yeah, I was never too concerned because I was like, well, I say nothing I'm like embarrassed of in there like we just talk about the movie You know pretty nonchalant way and like I just concede like Uh, which which I honestly think would have been fine, but then it was the following week. I think the You said on Sardonic cast you hadn't heard any good arguments against TLJ and also we were made aware of that Then everyone was like, don't you have Um, any like evidence that he said thinking the wolf was like, well, yeah, actually I had recorded it and then I was like, ah Let's And I you can find it the past year and a half. I have been definitive on not releasing it out of principal Um, because it's it's harsh. Oh, yeah Um, yeah Because I I I criticize people for doing it like people release Dms that I've been in and I'm like you shouldn't do that, but okay. Yeah, it would be a scummy thing to do.  I didn't enjoy that. So it's just like okay, maybe I should just like Not think about that for a while.  It's just gradually just changed in my mind and I had the Why put it in my video today like why? My new thoughts on the feeling of my my new thoughts on the film Um as a result, so I mean and again That's part of why we're having this conversation to sort of merge the two povs But um and also explain like why certain actions were taken because on our end We would just keep getting sent snippets and clips and comments And like one of them was you and a friend of yours discussing how like rags made a terrible video with no points and We were like why because that's Bitter about it If I'm like I'm a bit inebriated. I'm on my podcast with my mates.  But you get what happens next, right? Like everyone shares it. Yeah, we have to address it Yeah And uh, obviously I I'm still because at this point I was still always trying to find a way to have a conversation with you I was always like let's clear the air. Let's get this done. Let's get this over with get that bad blood out of here and we We nearly made something of a plan, but then it never sort of In defruition in any way I was playing like a dead at the time. I think a while ago. Oh really? I remember killing a tank. It was epic, but you know, that's this epic gamer moments. It's not relevant Yeah, that's the that's the annoying thing about all this like the conversation around our conversation Is what the toxic part is like whenever we have discussed the film It's been just like so laid back and like relaxed and We've just come to agreements and then you know fair about it and sure Like well, you know the discussion wheel right like it's a it's a world where everyone's retorting and quipping Um, we were happy to let it die Um, because we really would ever mention it But when we're getting sent this stuff and like when I saw that description in a video I was just like off a fuck's sake again Um, well, yeah, because I'm still bitter about the rags video But it does stuff Yeah, I get it. I get it.  You just have like No way to how to properly figure out how you're perceived. So like If I'm feeling angry in that moment, I might put some, you know, snide thing in the description Just because it like made me laugh at the time Mm-hmm Obviously I saw it and as much as you were like, well, that was obviously a comment directed at rags That video like this is context you you may or not may not be aware of it's fine. Whether or not you are but obviously Several months later, we kept getting messages about how TROs kind of destroyed Rags and Quinton destroyed me and we were just like but they didn't and it was like, well, you know, you're not addressing it Can't help it feel like maybe you think you can't argue against it We were like fine and me and rags made a date. We committed to going through the entire thing We had references and again, I don't know if you know this but this is not only admittedly a fault by TRO but Quinton as well In rags's video, he says it's weird that kylo doesn't use the force to save himself and he's getting strangled in the throne room if you remember Like you could have I haven't I haven't seen the film for a while It's when ray saves him by throwing the lightsaber to him if you remember she says ben and you like Okay, yeah, and it's like why wouldn't you just like force push the person behind him or force choke the person? There's loads of different things you could do but you just pretend Oh, and that's not something they did in this film as they use the force a lot during fights I was like, oh, okay back on that, I guess Like you remember this when they're like slashing each other and then they would hold each other's lightsabers away with the force I thought it was kind of interesting, I guess Um, but that was rags's point and it was edited in TRO's video That uh rags is complaining that luke didn't use the force when fighting kylo or vice versa in on crate And we thought that was really weird because it was like, but he is using the force He's a force ghost person I mean, I can't comment on any of this because I didn't write of course all i'm doing is giving you some context and uh There was another one as to what keeps escalating it Yeah, and so we were very unhappy with all of that we we we got through it all we had TRO on We presented it all to him and he was like, yeah, this isn't great um a few more months down the line He's unlisted the video now. I as far as I know it's still unlisted And quintin publicly said that uh, yeah, sure you made an editing mistake But it doesn't really matter because the point still stands and we're like, no it doesn't quintin's not um Got a great reputation when it comes to efap But the the point is that saga ended Um, we'd we'd addressed it we moved on but then obviously like There's just there was pieces left that just weren't made up And I just always felt like it was because I'd never got to speak to you specifically to to to sort of give context All of this and receive yours And have everyone hear about it and then end it Okay Yeah, I mean when we like just lay down the timeline it makes you question why Any of this even happens? Yeah, I think what? A lot a lot of interesting decisions, uh Like TRO's video is possibly one of his worst That's the interesting thing because I'm still subscribed to it But check him out uh different topics he covers and the rags one. I don't know what's going on like there's There's portions where you'll have him commenting over rags speaking while music is playing. Um He like his script is strange the editing is is like really choppy They approach different portions of rags video out of order instead of just like going chronological Like we we thought it was terrible, but we would Still be maintaining that rags video isn't isn't all that bad at all Like we thought that he addressed a lot of the things that you brought maybe I'd be willing to admit that um He doesn't give you the greatest benefit of the doubt, but Would you he doesn't at all would you concede at all that he made any good points or Well, I'm sure if the the points he makes about the movies. I'm sure like On a lot of levels are correct.   So Yeah, I mean Like I can't be how can I be objective about this video, you know, like um Well, yeah, I mean, uh, that's that was never really like my issue It was just more about making sure everybody understood what has happened But yeah, but that's like without that video, none of this happened. Well, sure. No, I mean without your video, none of this happened Without e-fap a lot less. I wasn't calling out individuals. No, sure It's it's an all it's an avalanche that starts really as far as back as ryan johnson deciding to take the job as directing Um and the discussion has been crazy over this past two years and now rise of skywalker is gonna be Oh, it ain't slowing down Well, yeah, that's the thing. I actually think tlj will probably outlast rise of skywalker eventually because people want to talk about how Either the last Jedi was the last good star wars film or that it was the reason the rise skywalker is bad Like people like because everybody hates rise of skywalker outside of movie bob from what I can see I don't know why Yeah, like all the people who I I've known to like tlj did not like the rise of skywalker Yeah, and then all the people who hated tlj hate rise skywalker too because this You know, it's just I don't think that there was gonna be a third to this trilogy that was gonna be great It's gonna be pretty tough. Yeah Yeah, well, I I had my theories about why um The last Jedi got the like critical reaction it did Um, I don't know if they're based on anything solid really, but If I had to take a guess I think it would be based off the fact that ryan johnson has always been an indie darling which obviously film critics enjoy and his take on the movie Was like his indie take on it. Like it was it was him ignoring the The saga like as a whole and just making his own film based on Yeah, the chess pieces that were given to him and That's the only like way I can justify enjoying the film is like just Basically it being like an else world fan fiction Star Wars movie and that's the same for All of these disney Yeah, it was I kind of feel that way about disney's movies for stars as a whole are just these crazy Yeah, but taking like even like that last Jedi like revelation made me go back to the original movies and Reassess them a bit and I thought a new hope and empire hold up very very well But I had some real issues with the turn of the Jedi So like it it was making me like reassess like where I was because you know When you first get into like star wars and movies if you're a little kid like You just mindlessly like all of it no matter what, you know And like as you grow up you gradually like your taste adapts and I just never had to even think about In on that way before you know, so like It has it has to start somewhere and for you it was when you're sat in the theater watching it And there was just something like a wrong feeling in your gut. I didn't have that wrong feeling Not until like I started I didn't have it with tfa right, but a lot of people did Yeah, like it's it's not uncommon to feel differently about A movie, you know like a year later five years later like opinions changed like we really said and that's fine So you're not not hugely into tlj anymore I haven't watched it in a long time Like it's not a film I want to rewatch Particularly right now because there's just so much that that is always like niggling in the back of your mind like bugging you um Yeah, I said in my newest video for every like moment of brilliance. There's an equal one of Like shittiness that I just I just I've tried doing the mental gymnastics, but I can't I just can't After a while Yeah, um I think that's the timeline in full then We we is there any else to clarify? Um, is that Is that it then is that like? Oh, well, I think so. I don't know the because You know, you you've you've spoken to me now and this this will be able to be heard by people So there's no there's no comments available that can say you're you're um avoiding it or you're cowardly or you're not Continuing with your position on tlj like the you know people will hear this and it should Clear it all up and I mean, you know I'm more than happy to work with you in any way shape or form going forward in some some scenario But if not if it ends up just being this the last time we interact that's that's okay as well Do you think part of it happened just because of like the extreme emotions that around star wars Yeah, uh, you get a lot of comments in so many different places You start to lump them all into this sort of one person. Yeah, I feel like if If only I'd presented the video in a clearer way and might and actually properly communicate my feelings then People wouldn't have been annoyed by it in the same way.  Yeah, what's happening now, right? Is a lot of people who are like rise of skywalker is bad because of this reason Who are people who love tlj and people like but but that same thing that like kind of errors in tlj and then they'll be like Like different people can like different things for different reasons. It's like, oh, yeah, but But this is confusing and obviously like I always known you to be very Like hyperspecific with understanding and no cause and effect and so I was really just blown away But the fact like I remember people messaging me because it was around the time I released part two of my tlj critique that You're like, I had everything really liked last jedi. I was like, what really? Like how it's such a nonsense movie that I look at watching videos like, oh I'm confused and it's fine because everyone can like whatever. It's just I I didn't expect it at all Yeah, I I just think the conversation is more complicated than just It's the worst film ever made like type thing like I I like the the Like middle conversation that goes on about like because what what is good here? What is good star wars and what is bad star wars about this? Because I think and I think that conversation is a lot more interesting Than the force awakens because it is just a new hope and it is a lot more interesting Then what is the new one rise of skywalker? Yeah, I think that's what really intrigued me about the movie because it was doing so much like creative unique kind of Ryan Johnson ideas, which are like I've always enjoyed like his his type of movie and His journey are followed like since Basically the beginning with him. So I've been like a fan of his all right So from that perspective, I was really intrigued by the movie and thought that conversation was worth having as opposed to Getting bogged down in certain minutia Sometimes and like pinpointing what is actually like Like Valid and not valid That was all I was trying to say And of course that also comes down. Did you know that Ryan Johnson is slang for Ryan penis? That's your opinion It's a pretty certain preferences you have that Right.  Yeah, and that's just like a just a reality I guess of just the perception of everything. So I don't blame you for assuming that that Neither of us could have known either way.   I'd be like, I haven't looked into it I'm I'm not gonna say anything because I think I remember there's an efap where I was just like if that's true That's awful. I I don't know. I haven't I don't know Yeah, and I probably would have been more rational about it if If you know not for the rags video which just harbors You know some anger about it. I can show you the rags is an extremely good friend of mine very friendly and that uh This this whole thing has obviously done the same sort of thing in reverse He's he's not gotten a great impression either and it's just I would agree it's a matter of communication falling the fuck apart Yeah, it's people from different sides of the planet with different audiences like just The in another life never would have even like met or in any form Just like happening to clash because of the string of events known as the last Jedi Yeah, Ryan's uh had quite the ripple effect very proud of it. Well, yeah That's that's most of what I had to say to be honest Like I got that that's most of it covered No, I'm happy with that. I just wanted yeah, are people normally does it normally go like this or is it? Uh, people are often surprised How I Act in in conversation versus like one of my rage videos because obviously I'm in a very Assertive and straightforward in those but I've always felt that that personality comes through on any e-fap stream So if someone sees me responding to the video, I don't get really get the impractical Like with the whole Jenny Nichols and thing that happened recently like we were considered Uh sexist trolls who like constantly rip into people with no quarter And then you can get several sections of the video where we're like, all right The idea that it's a flaw in the film The joker would be punished for losing the sign because it was a going out of sale sign And the a going out of sale business wouldn't need or care about the going out of sale sign We were like that sounds like the opposite like wouldn't he absolutely need it?  I was like, okay, sure, but that's you know We ran it for like three hours talking about here video specifically We addressed so many of your comments In a in what I would call a calm and civil manner and we try to do it with everybody But we also try to have a bit of fun and I just um There is As much as there's a huge fan base for e-fap. There's also a huge um Let's say opposite fan base anti fan base. There's a lot of people who will Be like, you know the memes like oh careful sayings about more that he'll make a 12 hour video on you It's like I don't think that's how that works, but all right Yeah, I feel like that's just a thing on youtube is that your reputation and your name does proceed you and I don't know how much control you have over it I think it depends on who you are and like the stuff you're putting out Yeah, because I obviously like With a name like mine like people instantly form a certain expectation You know, yeah, that makes like I understand it more than anyone However, let's say like, you know theoretical man said I hate I hate everything's channel because he never talked about anything He actually likes and then you come to this guy and you're like, but I do and you give him examples and then he goes Okay, fine.   This is gonna feel some damage if I don't address it It's it's a rabbit hole.  It never ends Oh, I just mean that I've got an investment in like protecting myself while I don't know I don't know what your situation is But I imagine you've been established for so long now that you don't need to necessarily Consume yourself with one video destroying your career or anything I suppose I mean, maybe I don't think about it enough. I don't know Yeah, well, that's all I meant is that that was the first point in my lifetime on youtube that my videos were actually getting any traction And I was like, uh-oh and quintin review is a guy who I think he had like 250 000 subs at that point. I was like, he's coming after me It's like, okay. I actually knew him before that.  I was like, well, here we go Yeah, it there was a period where like commentary on other channels was like the be all end all Uh, but I dabbled in it for a bit and I honestly regret a lot of the videos I made during that time where I was like targeting people and stuff and talking about specific people I tried to avoid doing that now unless it is some like You know, like a director or someone who is removed from it all because it it does become very personal on youtube for some reason There is a more personal strike to it than someone in some business you have no attachment to And they'll never see, you know Yeah, no, I understand. I really think that this will Help out, I don't know, trying to smooth over and help everyone understand exactly what actually went over these past two years and uh Yeah, god, it's been two years Yeah, crazy Time travels bad.  I don't like hearing that But yeah, is there anything else or join us? Should we stop it there? Uh, I think that pretty much covers it to be honest. Like I'm happy with that. All right people, you know, make up their own opinions and all that You know, there's no like I'm sort of over it at this point. I think that's clear like I don't really have You know, there's some salt still there being, you know in the wound from the that original video Just because I just wish it didn't happen purely. So all of this didn't happen But I mean aside from that like I'm not really someone who holds like grudges on people Yeah, I just It's the first time I've ever had to deal with something like this and like, you know, it's like a learning experience I think the goal is motivations and actions explained and I think we've we've both provided context for uh, everything that happened now Yeah, I'm with you Some someone out there got something from this. Yes Um, is it all right if this like would this be okay for me to play on eFap, for example Absolutely, you can do what you want with it. I don't care.  Um Especially when dealing is Especially when dealing with someone and you might be like oh, can you even come up with a scenario? And it's like yes the one we just had where Me and wolf claim a conversation took place. I had everything operates as if it didn't He never claimed that it didn't if he had made a public declaration the wolf and I had never spoken to him That's when I'd be like, well, I'm afraid you're lying and this release is going to be proven wrong now And that's usually the time where releasing dms is considered like moral plus rather than moral negative because you're proving Something true when when people are publicly saying it's a lie even though they knew Going in that if you're gonna say something privately didn't happen when you've got the information Which is what he had wolf told him first Which I still think was the ethically best choice and um Wolf wanted to release it because it was a like a good civil fund conversation He didn't want to release it to prove to the world that I had everything as a piece of shit or something like that He was very happy about it And when I had everything was like no don't he was like, okay I won't and I was fine with that too. I was like, yeah, it's a bit weird to have uh That you like not told anyone he was happening and then release it afterward. It's just weird like it's so we'll just leave it Then the thing happened on the side on a cast and he said that it was because he felt Bitter about it to the point where he just didn't want to think about any of the arguments He had heard and sort of pretend it didn't happen um And that he and he said he even said when he was setting that part up that people aren't gonna like to hear it from But I appreciate that he said it. It's like not fun to admit that you can do or say certain things because you're emotionally uh charged in the moment But he seems to recognize that a lot of mistakes were made along the way and that's all good stuff The real treasurer is the mistakes you made along the way What are your thoughts rags On all this. Oh, I I haven't even really I mean, I just hadn't really thought about this much at all.  I would still say that you just need to kind of grow up a bit if this is what you're doing the whole point of like being an adult and All this stuff is that you don't make these emotionally charged kind of arguments or posts and Stuff like that.  Is it a joke and all you gotta get all these clarifications first before you can Choose a response and the unfortunate part to I hate everything stories that He says like people had told him stuff about my channel. We all know who who is among those people And it's unfortunate that um It wasn't me. Yes, it was metal and it's unfortunately took it as like I suppose it must be something along the lines of like if I told rags that New creator called bimble dork was making videos solely about rags all of them were And they're all titled how rags an idiot rags doesn't know anything and that um the world Like soil is actually like alien semen and that that's that's that's how we supposed to look at it and stuff like that All these different things. I think rags would believe me right rags. Yeah, it just checks out Yeah, rags would be like yeah, that's probably like why would I lie to you? And I think that's probably what happened to I hit everything he trusted A lot of the people that would have told him about what I do And what we do man. I mean I I honestly think rags would ask. Oh, can I see?  They'll just be all like they just believe immediately They're like, oh well, I guess I'll just make a tweet about this Well, that's the thing though. I know I've told rags about tweets that I don't show him Look, it's when you're hearing it from someone you trust you don't feel that you need to check to verify it But you might want to look anyway, like if you if you trust the person you don't need to verify it. That's like Yeah, you're not sitting there going.     I might have been mistaken. Maybe it was a different channel. You'd be like, what the hell, dude But at the same time you'd have to be like, yeah, obviously I retract what I said about the channel. I got it wrong. I messed up So I guess all I'm trying to say is it can happen Though I can't help but feel if I was in I had everything's position. I would have gone to find out I'd have been curious Then again, we just highlighted how much of like there was like devious editing on the behalf of Quinton And if I had everything watched Quinton's portions about me and rags Of course, you'd be led a certain way, right? Like it's It's complicated, but I'm glad we're on what I think is good terms Yeah, seems like it. You've gone the extra mile. I see that is not many can say apparently That is not many can say And also like The video we covered today was because someone just heard something about us. That's total bullshit I mean they clearly didn't check Yeah Well, like I said, he's got the escape pod if you will of I wasn't saying it was you I was say I was saying it was a general position people have but it's like, okay But then he explicitly showed he felt like multiple yeah, but if I show a picture of j and then I say some people Have this position. It's like so you're saying j does and I'd be like, nope. Nope This picture is unrelated to my comments.   They posted the um They've posted the the two videos that are about ralph And there were already people going 11 hours of content just about his video We're even though the second one literally has super chats in the title And in the thumbnail Uh, we got so much money covering you Any valid any valid points these guys have is lost amidst the pretentiousness the thing I like How are we pretentious?  We google words a lot What that would mean. Oh good Uh, the thing I like about the sardonic ass lads is that they always seem Oh, wow The thing I like about the sardonic ass lads is that they always seem like they're regular people who are well informed about films Their opinions might differ from mine, but they're always backed up by at least some validation without coming across as elitist Mauler and those other guys are like the annoying dude table in high school Where everyone says the same thing in their little circle echo chamber Like the people who say we're at echo chamber already found like oh dude, I wish sometimes It's an echo chamber is the reply to it that got downvoted to shit that's like it's not echo chamber They often have people who disagree with them on well, that's no down vote. It's a lie.  How embarrassing why spend a total of 12 hours trashing ralph over this Here we go again check the time stamp and call it a day I was gonna say it's kind of good of the super super cut.  I mean I was gonna say I mean, come on like that's that's pretty all right man. I've been sounding unpleasant and condescending Yeah It's funny to see this after uh, we had ymsr relatively recently and we've just played a conversation with I hate everything getting along with with with me. Um And it's like, yeah, we criticized ralph. We did uh We had a we had a lot of it. We take a lot of issues with his joker criticisms. In fact, he got a lot of things wrong When you say criticize that's coded language would be racist, right? Yes Absolutely Unlike it marvel. Yeah, let's just say if ralph tweeted at me being like are we cool, bro? I'd be like, yeah, you want to come on?  I'd be like because Because we separate art from the artist. Yeah um So this is interesting they want to hate on someone they dislike like even if their points make sense Wait say that again even if despite the they still wanted to indict the defendant Despite all of the evidence confirming their opinion trying to show it on stream such a bizarrely written point I don't Wasn't that point that ralph's points make sense They want to hate on someone they dislike like I think this was to be a calmer after dislike So they want to hate on someone they dislike like even if their points make sense Imagine thinking ralph's points make sense. I love that. He says that in the stream like sitting cane.  I don't know if you guys knew Oh Like with a pretentious sort of you know like uh quick call patrick Patrick word Patrick willy Well now I got to prepare a whole bunch of memes every video he makes like seven times Yeah more memes I'm gonna get some memes ready. We'll do some memes and then uh After that little group of memories Oh, by the way, you got you know, I was saying I lost mayonnaise. I found it. It was in my fridge It was just behind but it was behind the juice I don't even want to contact for that one I lost mayonnaise I don't well. I just I just Stop right there.  I don't really know what to do with that. Yeah, I was like, okay Yeah, just use gdell man at all times and anything insult anyone to me. It's a good thing It's like it's not about your arguments or just what you do.  Of course you'd like soup I mean, have you seen that? I don't know that we even made some on the things that they do become offensive Yeah, yeah, um, and it works both ways right like I think it's not 500 days of summer. Um They do that who here has seen that movie Which one me 500 days of summer is it's uh No, it's a romance movie. I suppose you could call it. Oh, is that the one where she's got the bad memory? No That's the adam sandler one, isn't it? Yeah, that's like 51st date. Yeah, all right Never thought that would come up on you for that. All right, uh So like when he's in love with her all these little things that happen He like references them as all the little things he loves about her But then when he like hates her like all the most annoying things about it It's like kind of the same deal where I don't know Cute turns to infuriating Um I suppose you should we should we should we ask the rest of people then right? Jay, what did you think about conversation asshole? Uh, it was really fun It like I think a lot of people who don't like eFap just generally should listen It puts a lot of stuff in perspective and it's only an hour No, it's not even a long man too long too long long What did you think angled angled ass bowel shite? Yeah, well, it's just like I oh my oh Jesus. Uh, what have you done?  Oh, yeah, and to clarify. So That is a video on its own. I'm going to put that out Uh, I suppose soon after I put this one out this video on moola So that it's going to be Yeah, so, you know people can watch it separately without us Watching it because that could be weird. I suppose.    I was like, whoa Like one comment. It just goes from Slow slow just goes worse and worse It amped up. Let's say uh, and obviously The best you'll get is like I don't know. Sometimes it's entertaining. You're like, well I like it's the thing. It's it's so inaccessible.  Do you want to check? I mean, it's like no You want to check it's gonna take like three days. I'm good I'm I'm surprised. I haven't been mentioned by name yet by any of those people I'm very present in this form. You're probably you're probably the german guy right now. You'll get there Yeah, let's see it's boring. I've been the german guy for five years. I know only five. What were you before you were german? Yes God there's so many alfred be Is that supposed to be alfred? All right, i'm i'm gonna Do this the selection Incoming memes and then we're gonna talk about which won't take very long the um The call in trevoro scripts And then we'll take the quiz And then memes the call in trevoro script for episode nine. This is like a summary We can just go through what apparently happens in the main way I edited more while we were listening to that video just now You have been editing. Oh wait. Yeah, that was kind of mean. I didn't ask you what you think What did you think now? What? No, it was fine.  I heard a noise what Well, not surprising it was so civil To be honest, I mean I mean this thing uh, we've had like three conversations in total and they always go that way and that's why I'm like, woohoo. We're on good terms and then it's like lull Did you suck? I'm like, why why? Yeah, and then it's like it's directed at rags.   Is it because there is a man?   I'm not sure if I like it yet Wait, what change? If you so if you scroll over if you like mass over what somebody says you'll notice this little reaction window pop up Over the top along the right side. I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind it, but mine Second reaction. Yeah On the far right I wouldn't mind it, but the second reaction it suggests to me is a nose Wait, you're talking about In discord You mean the penis about so mouse over like go into any server and just mouse over anything you said and you'll see the Little reaction window pop up along the right side rags just posted his that's not the one that I've got I'm not sure if it was a no not that one Look at that recommend it Emotes I can use as ignore my notifications. I know lol. Yes and kappa. Why why do I need the nose emoji there? Because you used it you said it to be subbed before I carbo boo. Yeah, but I only sent it Also, it was suggested your notifications actually hurt me I know don't don't mention that you should oh my god. What I get a lot of messages Dude clean up after yourself. Yeah Is this supposed to be mooper?  So this is gonna be tough for him. That's true. That's true So cheesy I'm assuming this is Ralph You keep asking me who is alfred not where is alfred I would prefer not how is alfred, but still What is alfred? Why is alfred? I'll give you one but jay will get more so than most Oh It's probably a doctor who referenced then yes Why?  That's not Just because it's the thing I've seen to some time. Oh my god. What is this? I think it's supposed to be alfred Why they've just put the text on a random image. All right, I gotta I gotta do a little bit Like Crawl from his small and ketchup. All right, we had that and oh, yeah, that's not on mine. I guess that's a new thing This is supposed to be mooper.  Oh my god Then we have Ralph machine gun reactions with rags alfred's out He looks upset But that's just I guess him he sounded upset when we covered him.  I don't actually understand that one Good. Is this supposed to be Oh my god, is that a doctor who episode man? It is Oh, what tell me about him? He's a santa ran. That's it. What does that mean?   No, they don't die. It just stuns them. Okay.  It's like put something over it and it's like if they're a warrior race, how do they survive? They can't put something over it weak just like that on the bat on their back They use guns. They they're a ranged race. What?   You shoot them.   They don't know like they don't have to put bags all over their heads I love the idea that I'm like put a gas mask helmet on and jay is like you need to breathe though But if they have to breathe through that how's that race even survived evolution at this point They didn't they were genetically engineered Oh, that makes it even with a weakness They were genetically engineered to be stunned when you hit them in the head I it's not it's not super significant Okay In a war in a war, why does that seem significant to me? Like sense if you don't think about it Ranged combat Oh my god People have balls. They're supposed to be awful. Yeah, well You don't have balls.  That's jeffrey eppstein. No, that's alfred.    It's yeah, maybe it's commentary on new marvel movies are all the same There is another There is another Oh look at a j related meme j. You'll know this Oh look at a j related meme j. You'll know this Wow Oh god That's a quote from the show as well, isn't it? I don't know where it comes from You're the dr. Who expert. That's gonna be good. You would know this because you're the dr.  Oh, yeah, I found it. Yay Hang on Oh, well That's not true. That's gonna say it's so good. Ah, what have you done? Whoa, we'll put it in the wash together. I don't why someone someone made a gamble with that that meme And it did not pay off Right, maybe they've called the death. It'll still be accurate if it dies across this year I like the tombstonebuilder.com. Yes I like that. That's a thing Alpha don't like your video and joke very much.  What's this? What's this? Is alphonse everywhere? Oh Someone thought of this in their head Brought it to life So I it'll be jack Skellington, but he'll be looking at christmas lights. They're all michael pain's Oh my god, Ralph maybe I think I was in the Ralph section Actually, I saw them while they were posted and leave that memes A booper People to see this without content Billboard bagface awarded jab the medal of massivity year the 300th tizm colorized Yeah, jab took Iowa. Can't wait to see if you guess. What's the next one? Is it north something north? North Iowa North Iowa Yeah, jab got 100 of the votes and he wasn't even running. It's amazing This meme going around there's lots of people are doing it. Yeah, I've seen it. I uh, I liked it. It's good Tender one makes a lot of sense At least they said tender not grinder. Mm-hmm. I'm okay with both. It's fine Oh So it's a guy I guess who's a fan of the show he's saying like I'm drinking with them. It's all great.   Yeah This guy's supposed to be not fresh. He was like a friendly dude If you drew that did he draw no, it's like Waldo, but yeah, he looks like a Waldo character Even the lettering is I like how everyone knows about where's Waldo Nobody could find him, but we all do him I am taking Jay and his friends. You can either profit from this or be destroyed.  Oh, they dropped me down to taxon rancor That's transfall bank I doubt the rancor was trans, but I suppose you could you couldn't look into whatever you ask it It's transphobic because the rancor isn't trans. Oh, right. I see how it would When I came to europe to fight.  Oh This is particularly also everyone is on the beam except me good They couldn't remember your name Oh, oh if you're the german one, I think I know who you play in this But yeah, we got a tissues for anika. She was ill and beers for rags too, of course Oh you get to look at sleeping women and we've even got the drunk raggles Oh I love pikachu's art very adorable, you know it instantly It makes we want to go it makes we want to see like the animated efap universe by pikachu. Oh, yeah No pressure Make a whole tv show three seasons the third one wasn't as good like it's solid.  Oh, yeah, I can put that one on as well. Hang on. So what's up with these these very Very unique headphones that you have There were just the headphones. I I wore when I first made that emote Yeah, like I believe so what happened was that like they kind of brand or something It's just some they actually pretty cheap. It's like they're from sate sardis Sainsbury's from sainsbury's Pokemon game No, they just they were just white and had like a blue interior white they help distinguish his character Of course, the german has white earphones Actually, he actually has the same ones at his place now Yeah, I've got them specifically for when he comes over so he can use them What a friend because the microphone is really good and it's only like a 30 euro Yeah, we recorded batwoman's episodes. Was it four and five while you were over I think I think so, yeah And that was And they're just really good headphones and they're really really really cheap Yeah, well some image and I like how peachy did the best sort of Make you look happy while crying You're like Happy crying is a thing. No, I know it's just that his All of his icons are like he's in tragic cry mode. So yeah Everything is terrible Like you need to battle happy.  I love it I don't introduce our guest on tonight's efap satan. This guy's supposed to be out Like Look at look at battle in the top picture Yeah, that's tickleson again because look at jay's drawn I was like ticklesons name really matches his art style. Well, it tickles me That is why it's called that it touches me you Oh my goodness Ralph when Ralph sees a violin Oh, and then we've got a I don't I don't even know the context, but it's from plague creations Perhaps an upcoming character or one that was long before I would go with le fromage. All right This is totally for le fromage Ah le fromage Yeah, we're getting ahead of me said le fromage Because I just saw it in chat someone's asking why it's metal always crying though. That's that goes way back I can't even what is the origin of that?  Oh, fuck. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole story too. Yeah, that was that was Dark souls two uh fume knight Montage it would uh It would kill me To see any character in anything use like say leave me be after you said it All right Really bad really bad internet back then as well like Super bad upload like a blotchy stream I can't believe like this is honestly.  It's okay.  Yeah, but wind windy Um, no Not because that'll derail the stream because because from the wind's perspective. It's not moving. It's you are muffled Because from the wind's perspective Because from the wind's perspective It's the thing that's not moving and the world is moving around it So to the wind the world is windy So the wind it's the world that is windy. Whoa. I'm gonna tweet it Um, all right out of the poo hole Mm-hmm. It's windy out of the poo again I know there's gonna be a lot of people out there who want it would want us to cover this more extensively I'm only covering it kind of briefly because It's just it's not gonna happen, right? We could talk about all the different things that could have and did not happen I'm not too invested, but it is interesting to check out um, what collin the writer of Jurassic world one and two. I believe he wrote both of them. Um had in the store for episode nine I'm just gonna I will pass this article along to you folks and uh, we shall read it out So All right collider Yes, that leaked collin trevorrow star wars nine script is real No, no Looking adam Forkney's Man adam ruins everything Uh, that's a reference to that thing. Well, skip ahead to be um, the the the would be title crawl Um You're right. Yeah, we yeah, you can just go from there Or okay. Yeah, I was gonna say I don't mind doing it Yes, do it. All right. Um For the opening crawl from the script written by trevorrow and connelly I'm not Oh, I don't recognize that name but uh is as follows the iron grip of the first order has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy That's already pretty interesting Yeah, that's yeah, because that means they have enough people to have an iron grip on all of the galaxy Which is enormous like the farthest reaches like So they're bigger than the empire how Significantly bigger than the empire about that like just no he means that it's got a lot of power That's all he means. Yeah. No, you know, he wrote that live be like they're big And it sounds cool. Yeah And if it sounds cool, what else do you need? Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Oh my god I'm sorry. I'm they're gonna resolve it in this film Yeah, they're gonna do a whole Plus in one movie You'll have a character be like you see the empire built a failsafe if you hit the big red button in the big building It'll destroy them all We don't do well so far no, um Traitorous acts are punishable by death determined to suffocate a growing unrest supreme leader Kylo Ren has silenced I guess they went with it. Yeah, it makes sense because in tlj. They he describes him as supreme leaders It makes sense has silenced all communication between neighboring systems Really? That's gonna go well with everybody imagine how much work that would take communication blockade Yeah, no one can talk to anybody across the galaxy No, they're gonna invent some beguffin Ship thing the floomp and it prevents anyone from speaking to anyone They're not even going to justify it. That's just gonna be it. It's like people can't talk deal with it. Okay Unless they use the flute jammer. Oh, no. Oh not the flute jammer. That's the one thing that we hope Yeah, man, but there's the there's rumors in the great desert of Calakaleeth that there's an anti floomp generator if we can get to it We can free the galaxy of the flooms Led by general layer organa, of course the resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom Okay, so that's Not a great start. So this is the beginning of our new trilogy or no. Well, it's It's it was so this was supposed to be called duel of the fates, right? I think that's what people have been saying Yeah, I know a lot of people thought that was a really good title. I was like, I don't know I don't know It's it's I mean, he stole it from somewhere else, but it's fine I don't know Jay, I don't know What's okay. What it's better than the rise of skywalking Not the problem we rise of skywalker is the the context it's horrifying. It's like also No mention of no mention of palpatine here. Oh, yeah, I've already heard he's not in this script apparently Oh my god People already like that's a major upgrade. It's like Like it is an upgrade to just remove palpatine from it This saves anakin sacrifice at the end. It's already an upgrade. I was gonna say. Yeah, that's true. That's very true Yeah, it's even if even if everything is super shit at least anakin has been saved Well, we'll see who knows what else they could do Uh The beginning of the film very much picks up from the last jedi in that the force first order has cut off All communication between planets in order to suppress a rebellion inspired by luke skywalkers standoff at the battle of craze boo So the spark of the spark of gay and boo Uh, so the spark of the rebellion did work in this version of the movie In fact, the opening sequence of duel of the fates finds finne rose and bb8 stealing a star destroyer that's It doesn't say bb8's actor Oh Ben rose and bb8 stealing a star destroyer.    No the star destroyers might Yeah, uh, and it's chock full of imperial weapons. No way the star destroyer is chock full of imperial weapons whoa That's why they could take it. There was no there was no personal weapons Yeah, it's full of imperial weapons that supposedly all the crew would have in their hands. No, there are no crew. It's just all right Maybe they had to fire alum and everyone just evacuated out of the imperial. Oh, that's a really good plan um He like they're running through corridors There's just weapons on the floor as if stormtroopers were there, but they just disappeared It's like a ghost ship and it turns into a horror movie. Oh my god. I watch it I'm so ready and rose gets killed first and then second to Star Wars During the heist fin sees a stormtrooper with his helmet off that he recognizes with this his story arc in dual of the face You can make up a lot of reasons for that surely There's one singular stormtrooper. He like he like sneezes. He's like guys. Where'd you go? He sneezes and he slowly takes off his helmet. There's like loads of slime that's attached to the front of his nose. He's like It's a goop monster Fidd's like, I know you bob. He's like Help I have space corona He just hears the sound of the sneeze and he's like, I know that's sneeze That's a familiar sneeze. Jim would always know that sneeze anywhere like that I he a chew. That's it. I know he sneezes I chew Where are we just ray killed chewy in this one? Oh, I hope so. I'm gonna need that for your arc, you know Uh with his story arc in dual of the face nicely concluding the one that began in the force awakened Oh, I don't know about that.  I'll give him that it's more than But growing up he saw stormtroopers without their helmets all the time Yeah, but that's the point you recognize this guy Okay, all right Oh and rose apparently front and center through the whole movie Which is a damn shame given that she's completely sidelined in rise of sky No, it isn't.  Why do people like her? Who wrote this? Who wrote this like well, it's collider. I don't know like I don't know if they like stuff or not Yeah In trevoros vision rose and fin are on a mission to coruscant to ignite an ancient Beacon in the old jedi temple which will call the galaxy to war Why weren't they why they need so many questions? I I have questions at every point of that Yeah, all right. Let's let's start with um rose and fin already. I see rose. That's a mistake I mean, they're they're track record with missions to Metropolitan places pretty shaky as it is, but all right.  Why would they not have to say no no stop asking questions? Why would they have used this thing in the prequels?  I guess he convinced him while he was captured Where did their star destroyer go?  I don't see how that's gonna work all right I could take god's weight At the very end of the movie fin and rose lead a group of force sensitive youth to a Remote planet where ray is waiting to train the next generation of jedi Her advice is just be good at it Room boys one of them they went back to kanto bite this time to rescue the human children not the animals That's improvement of a kind They do it successfully um So the rebellion came in and stole all our slaves Someone said could they mean the um The little like thing they do in episode three with sending the message and stuff I don't think they're referring to that because they use the phrase ignite an ancient beacon rather than Sending out a message through that system, you know Wait, what message what system in episode three away? They send out a message to say jedi stay away Remember. Oh, yeah I don't think you describe that as an ancient system needing it.  I don't know you think that's not gonna be like if if if earth was taken over by the first order We're all like living under a horrible thing and then someone sends us a text message being like we're going to war He'd be like, um Oh, here's the thing. Here's the thing. They would have to they we would all have to see a signal Individually but we're on different planets so we can't communicate with each other So everyone in the galaxy would have to come to the same conclusion that it's time to rise up completely independent of each other Gamers rise up Yeah, it'd be pretty tough to do this in one movie.  Yeah, it's pretty fun You just take them. They just grow on trees. You just And then get to prisons Uh as for relo take the star destroyer to kanto bite To make it specific just to pick up broom boy um Kylo Ren still dies at the end of duel of the fates But his arc in the film as well as reyes is completely different Oh, so there is one for one There's no emperor palpatine at the beginning of the movie. Kylo Ren has vanished off to moustapha Darth Vader's lava planet and is wallowing around in Vader's old castle. Wow. That's going to be a great scene Recycling Wallowing Wallowing again castle in the comics and it's also in rogue one. Yeah, I was gonna say it's in rogue one this precedent It's like Skeletor's It's cool.   He's like leave me alone dad. I mean other uncle whatever That's where you are Don't talk that way to me. I should have killed you when I had the chance Then uh, I don't know so he's like trying to copy down someone's phone number for later kylo Into the background luke is going three seven eight nine one 26 and he's like stop it No, you stop it. No you no you stop it Stop it. Well, you're repeating me Stop repeating me. Stop repeating me.   He's like, yeah. Wow. Look what you did kylo.  Have you seen the robot chicken vision where Attica is haunted by jar jar? Annie No Uh and even fights a hallucinatory version of Darth Vader a la luke's fight in the cave He comes into contact with the sith teacher of palpatine tour valume or valum valum So not Darth Plagueis then no tour valum. Obviously And if you let's let's flip it vor talum It's not gonna head well Via an ancient sith device as he's trying to put an end to the jedi and the sith once and for all But he's bad bad bad in this version of the story.    So kylo ren tracked down rey's parents just to kill them Because snow told him to i guess. I wonder how the hell he would do that. Yeah, why would I'm this was before because snoke told him. Yeah, why would snoke be interested in killing this random desert girl's parents? Because he's evil and he's a big meanie At that point it's like she's random to him And if and if it's because she was like super force sensitive or whatever it's like wouldn't he be interested in who?  Oh my goodness That's a way to put it. What does that even mean? He's extinguished Double killed him like they smash him into an ashtray.  Oh, are those people tlj fans? Pretty much rose people who want the rose no the people who are saying that it's a shame. We got this that we didn't get this Oh I mean, I've seen all kinds different sort of People with different opinions saying that this wouldn't I know that like we could we can you guys can see this is better Are we are we cool with that? Yeah, okay, cool.  I don't care. Listen. Listen. We're comparing this to garbage, right? If this is garbage too But it maintains that anakin actually killed palpatine and was the chosen one and completed the whole arc That is a huge improvement.  At least it keeps this more self-contained And you know, we don't have a lot of specifics so this could be both better or worse than we realize standard It is a really low bar. We all agree Um Though like someone just said this wouldn't be a good substitute.  I suppose like it's like But it's terrible, but it's better. It's like, do you want to get stabbed 12 times or eight? You're like, I guess I guess eight. Yeah Um So this is what honestly many felt was the crux of episode nine should have been the battle for kylo Ren's soul Instead abram some co decided to muddle up everything with this palpatine nonsense, which is just unnecessary added external conflict That detracts from the emotional thrust of this trilogy. Okay Wait, what? I don't really know Uh Well, we don't have to read any more of this now because it's Also, i'm sure i'm sure i'm chatting for that I want it. No, it's mine You can't have two some good meme turn around right there. Um But yeah, no, this still seems like it would be poopy. Um But but a better taste of poop.  I think I think it's like the the defectors or whatever and he's like go Kill all of those people and then like some other subordinates like General ux we have been outnumbered. We we are being overwhelmed. It's over or something like that And then it's not dialogue.   They're different.  I guess that doesn't sound like Jew die. Yeah I just google for this prolific apparently prolific was a german band in the 1980s Wow, well good for germans. I know right at least at least they did one or two things, right? Yeah And so all we've got left now are memes and um movie bob quiz Yeah, and we're doing just fine with time at least from what I can gather So it's gonna collect up another another whole line of memes for us Then uh, and then we'll move on to that Then we might not finish memes. I'm getting through a whole chunk here. Uh, but you know, we'll try Um, but in the meantime now, I I depend upon you fools to entertain the chat One thing that's interesting about that article is that it says it's way better than The rise of Skywalker that we got but it's just for completely different reasons Like they don't even mention. Oh, thank god There's no palpatine and this completely redeems the whole Anakin Skywalker chosen one arc from the original trilogy and the prequels combined No, they don't talk about that I like man y'all are shit at this star wars thing They say it as though the reason why it's good palpatine is not there is that it doesn't have the whole tie in with Ray's family. It's like no, that's not the problem. That's I mean Still pretty silly too a problem But compared to the the big problem The largeman problem the long man problem the problem Sounds like it could be a doctor episode the long man problem No, I'd watch it You'd watch anything doctor who? Yeah, I know again. You've been loving the new season, right?  I watched two episodes of doctor who? One of them was called the tower of doctors a lost And in this episode, it's fantastic courage has to save muriel from being hit by a Unhappy cannonball so he has to go to the tower of doctors a lost and confront Doctors a lost and his assistant rat in order to steal the happy happy Cannonball and hit her with it And in doing so the villain actually experiences an arc where he Learns to be happy and appreciate the things that are around him it's very very good and It makes it makes plums look very appealing And I think that the music is fantastic as well Tower of doctors a lost is one of probably my favorite animated Uh single animated episode of a show that I could ever Uh potentially see so the moral of the story Anybody doesn't uh watch the tower of doctors a lost. I think you're really missing out on Is it better than scooby-doo and zombie island? Uh who uh, it's hard to say because one's just an episode Uh, but the zombie island is uh, it's a whole movie. So it's tough to compare them I don't know which one's better. Honestly. They're both so good. They're certainly very very different They're both fantastic both fantastic Um What was the question? I don't think there was a question Oh, right. The doctor who um, I saw midnight And I saw waters of mars Um, it were both really really good They were an excellent way. They're they're very digestible Uh in terms of you don't have to know a lot about the lore and stuff to enjoy these episodes. They're really good standalone pieces and One of the things I really like is that it accents and it shows off the idea that a good episode is not made by its It's budget right especially with midnight. The set is super simple cti is really simple as well It's all about the writing and the execution of the idea in the acting. It's fantastic And it's really really gripping stuff Um waters of mars is kind of the same way a little bit bigger budget in terms of you know the sets and all that But they tell a really fantastic story. It's a lot bigger Yeah, it's certainly larger scale. Absolutely. Midnight is basically takes place in a room Uh, but it's a mars space station for A martian colony Uh series of structures for waters of mars Uh, they're both very very good. I'd recommend them Uh to anybody but I've basically seen nothing about doctor who apart from that I want to say I've seen some of the older stuff In bits and pieces when I was younger, but I don't remember really anything I would say the way to watch doctor who is to just skip around to get to the best bits and like Yeah, do that watch seeds of doom. It's it's great. I love that one. You do get What that sounds like, right?   You guys have seen day one Seeds of coon Yeah, and that was recorded to bazilla. That was recorded just after doom was and so people were like, wow, you came out late with doom. It's like, uh-oh But the thing is that one we could have told people we recorded it yesterday And I don't think there's anything in the video that gives a way that that's not the case So we'll be fine outside of the icons probably actually, yeah the icons will give it away Anyway, onto me just cover those up with like one really really simple layer in Vegas Don't don't don't don't because there's lots of zooms and stuff. So I'd have to keep knocking it out and knocking it in What am I? Why would I do that? That's knocking it out Because you well, why would you lie that it was recorded yesterday? I wouldn't that's why I just said what I said If you were gonna though like you could you could yes jay if I was going to do all those things I would do all of those things.  I can't believe there's so many Alfred memes. Don't be all right. There's so many No, that meme is dead. It died I mean a good guy who made that you took a gamble and you lost All right, it'll die within the year These aren't ordered. I've just This is just Alfred memes Oh my goodness Oh my goodness, this is so good. Oh my god, Alfred.  No, it belongs to us You're an awful mess. Am I saying playing my video inviting me to efat?  The caption at the bottom says it's supposed to be Alfredo Yes, but why not read? Because Alfredo sounds like Alfred. That's not what I'm asking. What are you asking? No, I'm really curious. I wonder are you asking? Okay, so you said that you you you put this meme in the chat and then you'd haven't seen the caption No, so when I pulled it up on my selection I was zoomed in so I could only see the alfredo. Yeah, but then okay, but surely if you Um, if you hadn't seen What the caption was you didn't know what the meme was Yeah, so I was I was tempted to cross it off and then I was like, oh wait.   Oh my goodness. They exist Breath of fresh air Okay, now I'm confused combat combat What what? Um, he's got a sword I don't know That's that's the go-to Ralph image. That's the one that they all use basically Frumpy face, dude. I know jay's seen this one, but you'll still like it And so when they so this meme is uh, when they just go nuts and start assuming all different characters are all different, uh villains Robert De Niro is the condom and king I almost feel like they made him just so they could say that He's actually those those those aren't like a part of a suit. Those are actual briefs Good, I'm glad good Good r-rated movie great r-rated movie amazing r-rated movie I mean if this is a meme that means it's true. So I must be Oh my god, look at this violent photo that someone must have taken during the stream.    That's foreshadowing. We'll just make a note j and then I'll tell you about it as soon as the stream's over All right, make a note put it in your little notepad So this is actually a reference to the trailer for Wonder Woman Yes, ismtism tism um And it's and he gets confused and looks at a bin and says is that art and she's like, no, that's just a trash can And so Ralph sees it as a trash. That's upsetting to me And the other things that are uh, t-r-o-s co-sposters and star wars the last Jedi this is referencing how um There are many movies made by a particular director. I might have That do come across as a hell of a lot more dream-like than any other but Ralph seems to think that all movies have dream-like logic. Oh and All your interest nations. That's a weird now. Um, I was I was perusing reddit as one does and um There was a subreddit called that's insane That I caught wind of and I was like, huh? And it's just a collection of things that kind of make you react with wow, that's insane um And of all the luck I could possibly have Apparently no actually so keep that story in mind now. We're gonna flip to a different quicker story So your context for this other story. Okay doing a prestige on you. Okay. Here we go.  You'd think they would have Noted that or known about that or whatever Yeah, I think I pressed x to doubt on that one.  I'll obviously set this up for when we're gonna need it It came in like I want to say 19 late 1950s or late 1960s I I hear googling. I'm hoping for a result The point emergency fridge act The appointment emergency also known as ifa the point so The refrigerator safety act is codified at you know at public law august 2nd 1956 Yeah, so the point of it was that um fridges now legally have to be able to be open from the inside Um, which is so this is the one part that I'm hazy on I don't know if they made a design of fridge that is the one that he's using in the film That could also be open from the inside. I'm obviously not gonna know something like that What I do know is that that act was passed Uh, what like a decade before joker takes place No, this is if it passed in 1956 the joker takes place in like 83.  Yeah, so it's like It's like way later. So yeah, so that doesn't work. It's like 27 years or so It's about a quarter in the century. Yeah, according to that The fridge should legally have been required to be able to be opened from the inside for like 30 plus years or however long Um, and so if someone said ah, but you're wrong because several fridges still would have existed That uh, didn't open from the inside like maybe the law hadn't spread enough and that'd be like, yeah But wouldn't it be on you that you're assuming it's one that he can't get out of rather than assuming It was one that he can yeah at this point you're at this point you're saying well, maybe the gun wasn't left Yeah, and for me. I'm just like Uh, if he could get out of it that means that uh, the fridge was something that he could get out of right There's no problem with that and the only argument I think they could do is if they could definitively identify the makin model of that fridge And prove that there was never a vision that could be broken out of but even then We could argue that it joker's a false universe and that they're trying to argue that this is one that could At that point Uh, but I I I don't know.  That's actually useful for uh, joker discussion tisms I like this image You have an awfully childlike face It's cute You were never really gone This goes around killing people.  I remember that I think Oh Lack of context objectivity. Oh, I broke his sword I know that one it's metal gear rising revengeance tisms. You are correct It's true because there was alcohol I like that it metals image.  Oh my god. I like it They worked together to holy trinity of bad takes Oh, this is a long man in the form of a bionicle. I believe I'm gonna go with bionicle. Yes, I'm pretty sure this bionicle um I think it was more than just this one. There was something else that was posted with it if it's in my selection I will get to know he's long It's a long boy Long void if you will You were never really the king of taxis An in cell fill but he's got the king crowd of the taxis in his hand Porness Oh, thank goodness. I was feeling alone for a moment there.  I see what they're saying. I get it. It's good everybody Yeah, go check out parasite I watched it. It's good. Yeah rags, and I am married in this I like this Oh, dude, they put um in the reflection. You can see rags's dog. Go ahead Oh my god, they got Excellent detail Showed the professionals how it's done Also, yeah, this is like I kind of remember which stream this was more than the last one But er said kickmuller and one of my mods said all right. All right. Yeah A horrifying day All right beginning of the next e-fap What is oh, it's chat aiming. Hello rags. Hi right. Oh, yeah, because this is all the high rags I had saved He's a happy dead. Oh, so happy. Yeah Ralph pipkin movie maker reviewing his imagined version of joker e-fap crew watching this review after watching the actual joker film Wait, just disturbed. I suppose it's that the idea Oh a pretty cool image of the stream another photo exactly how it went down The trinity of Ralph's Oh, this was this was the potential of it was all a bait Joke of paint your awful baller. Oh, yeah, I'm awful. Why is that playing my video making fun of me on the show?   I'd wear everyone knows this What I'm gonna help me we just explained to people that the correct term for a train is an iron worm I think it was from chat I'm glad you agree. I didn't want to make this you cry babies may be Do it I guess Ralph is running away from children and comic fans He looks so disinterested every single face in this is just disinterested It's always that is his face man. That's all it ever is Oh the baby rage like I have never seen this man's smile Oh, this is a good one. So you got I'm like not yet, but I'll don't kill him because we didn't know if they were real I think the tears add to this you're like, I don't know if I should do it Also people need to add a new profile picture. I've only seen the old one Oh, they'll get there. It's probably because it's probably on because a lot of people use a efap.me as a resource I don't know if kiva can put up your name At all, I think either way that's metal saying put his new icon in your uh in your memes because he's upset now Children Oh my god, this looks like CGI It's not even sorry We just had a purple little purple man. I'd like to mention that it's Thanos saying that See Thanos was like this CGI Attack on Joker On the last for the selection eggs. No, how could you X driver isn't good It's not it's not that good Uh, also Patrick Williams, I don't know what he said about joker actually I'm gonna see if he's treated about it Perhaps he has a negative tweet He has a lot of negative tweets Uh, so I guess the way I'll do this How should we do this so the idea is you choose it's a movie bob quote or Uh, not you know like a Nazi quote and and should it be like a vote between the the the all of us here? Uh, or should me and rags not even necessarily be involved in it because we know a lot of them. I don't know Hmm, okay, if you know no one then you shouldn't know it. We can just excuse ourselves from the uh You hiccup at me Hold uh movie bob or nazi slash neo nazi 4.0 the finale This quiz was made for the ifa podcast So if you do not watch it most of the jokes will not make sense However, the quiz is still fully functional as a demonstration of how insane movie bob is I'm sorry. No not giving sources for these quotes because I only thought about doing it halfway through making the quiz However, all of the movie bob quotes are sourced from his twitter The nazi quotes have primarily been sourced from minecump and the daily stormer Um I wax That's the place to get them. Hello all my n-words. This quiz will test the limit of your massive intelligence Even the great spider oracles had troubled dire dividing the correct answers Wow, it's really hard to tell the difference between these quotes adolf hitler Uh, I plan I plan on making a condensed quiz based on the best questions from this quiz once I get around to 200 and 300 Responses, I would make the condensed quiz at that point. We'll just we can just do this one. Um So these are instructions, I guess the way this quiz works is you'll be given a quote You have to decide if it is a nazi quote or a movie bob quote You have to do this for a total of 100 quotes The nazi quotes could be from any nazi from the original funny moustache man himself or Uh, the edgy book to whatever tism stuff I could find on richardspence's twitter Also, I remove some of the words that make it obvious who the quote is from I will censor the obvious word by putting theme in the censored words place Some examples of these potential words would be jew, germany or nazi Additionally, I had to fix the grammar of movie bob's quotes If I didn't you could just choose the quotes that were crimes against the english language and get old correct answers Finally, I updated some of the language in the quick hitler quotes because they were The use words that no one uses anymore with the instructions out of the way Please enjoy this quiz brought to you by adam hilt also more after you take the quiz I can send you the statistics of the quiz on the on discord. Sure. It'd be interesting to know I recognize him from twitter um I'm not gonna lie movie bob looks more like a war criminal than hitler Who did you check it's better? Uh drill sergeant bobby is gonna chew out the new recruits all right, so I guess the way i'll do this then is I read out the quote and then a vote takes place and um I guess we'll make a j dust bullshit mel can vote on it and uh I like like I said me and rags will probably only come in if we actually do not know we can let people know ahead of time so Also, if you don't know the quote it might be a good indicator. I'm not read my Actually, the problem is the first one. I think everyone knows this one It might be an indicator that it's a nazi one So what's the first one? The first one is I'll never forgive the troglodytes that who stole the future I earned prolong their worthless existence Yeah, I remember that one. That's definitely bob But hitler never used a term troglodyte anyway. Yeah, but they certainly updated the language Maybe they did you don't know uh He spoke german. All right quote two I think that human beings if you talk about our differences in terms of talent or intelligence or any other area That doesn't necessarily make an individual human being inferior or a race inferior Um, uh-oh that one's harder I will I will post them to you guys so you can read them as well Yeah, okay I think nazi Yeah, I'm gonna yeah, I'm thinking nazi on that one Well, let me I'm gonna here what one The one I just posted Sound like something bob would say but there's something I'm not say either Surely nazis think a race is inferior. That's like the whole deal Say let's say I think the human beings Um, let me see I think that's movie bob I think I think this is what movie bob would say right before a big but No, no, I think this is a nazi because they're operating from it sounds like they're operating from perspective where you would expect A race to be inferior. They're like they're saying no, no, I don't necessarily think a race is inferior I just don't like the people all the people of that race I actually think I read that quote before and I think it's from Hitler himself Well, I'm gonna abstain from the entire quiz because I'm enjoying just being the one who reads them out We'll go with just we'll do it by votes and if there's a tie I'll I'll be the decided. I think it's kind of expected of you that you would participate in this Well, I can reveal my vote at the end of each one. No, I don't know. He does No, no, I don't but um I'm I was actually stuck on this one until metal said what he said, so I'm assuming it's a hitler quote now I mean don't quote me on that. I think I did don't quote you on the quote. I'm quoting you Uh I would go with nazi because I actually don't know the origin for this one for sure What about everyone else right nazi Yeah, it's nazi for sure. Well, that's three so that's good enough Okay All american politics of my lifetime have been put about have been about backwards people wedding Wedded to an inferior presence trying to prevent a superior future. I'm almost certain. This is bob So wait a minute bobby Do we not get the answer to that last one? Not yet. No, you have to answer them all first Okay, um, so that third one let me read that one more time. I think Can you post that other one the third one? Wait, sorry, you want to um third the one you just read. Could you post that? Well, I'm starting maybe we should do this to make it more interesting You should actually go with your gut so we can get through it quickly and we'll see How funny the answers turn out to be so the more you think about it the more it should become clear Okay, so read that one more time then It's in chat All american politics of my lifetime have been about backwards people wedded to an inferior present trying to prevent a superior future I am so very very tired of being denied a better will because of the small visions and smaller minds affecting so much of humanity That's like, yeah, that's honestly Yeah, my vote is movie bob, but I could it's such a like a nazi could totally say it Yeah, but it's totally bob But like I don't I don't it's because it's about america as well Uh, yeah, I think that I think it's bob If it's a german then I'd be like, hmm Oh, but it didn't wait to be fair. Didn't he say that he was getting some Richard spencer and people that's this is yeah, okay, so this is why it's interesting, but we're locked in all right I'm gonna I can't go back. It's bob Uh Code four instruction in world history in the so-called high schools is even today in a very sorry condition Few teachers understand that the study of history can never be to learn historical dates and events by heart But what matters is not whether the child knows exactly when this battle or that was fought when a general was born Or even when a monarch was coronated To learn history means to seek and find the forces Which are the causes leading to the effects which we subsequently perceive as historical events Nazi Like that that's that's that's like a pretty smart thing And it's the kind of thing that when like being a nazi wouldn't inform your perspective like that Yeah, I just I just don't think bob would have been able to say it Yeah, and there's also too much punctuation that that's not bob Sophistic autistic wants me to tell you jay that your comment's been deleted on the objectivity video I'm assuming it's just not visible.  I was gonna say I'm leaning to bob. All right, uh When intelligent members of society become unable to overrule the ignorant society falls That's bob I'm I'm willing to go either way on that one It's definitely in line with bob, but um Then again, there's first that there was a little far too few words in that Can you can you paste it in the in the chat? I'll just go with the gut feeling. Well, yeah, I was gonna say we gotta we gotta keep it going otherwise Oh, we got quite a few to go nice. All right. Yeah, so i'm sticking with bob Oh, that could I think that's bob. Yeah. Um, it's quite eloquent for him though All right, I think that's enough votes for bob then is it? All right There is forward and there is backward superior future and inferior past the evolved and the intelligent versus the ignorant and small minded Hmm I thought it was Nazi at first, but then he started using small minded and i'm like, okay, that sounds awfully bob right there Um, I'm a little torn on this one.   Uh-huh. I'm gonna go. You know what I'm going with bob Jay, it's out to you Bob all right There are times when I really hate that jim crow era laws ruined the idea of intelligence testing for voting Oh We must become I don't know what jim crow era laws are so I just I almost think I've read that tweet from him. It's all race laws in the us old ones. Oh, yeah We must become revolutionaries. We must bypass or shatter existing institutions and make them a new the sellouts who can Constitute the old elite must be removed forever. We must constitute a new elite a daunting goal perhaps But the only goal that makes sense That's a nazi. I'm going with nazi. Yeah Sounds too good to be bob Like the way it's written Yeah I can't go that too. Yeah, this is grammar rather than content. Yeah, I guess there's just too much punctuation for there to be bob What does that tell you? Bob bob, you need to this shouldn't be a possibility that we're doing this right now It's like it's not as damning as it could be because so far they've all just been We need to like reorganize society like yeah, some of them are kind of bad, but I don't know. I thin