24 Each hour of the days that followed held for bunting its full mead of aching fear and suspense. The unhappy man was ever debating within himself what course he should pursue, and, according to his mood and to the state of his mind at any particular moment, he would waver between various widely differing lines of action. He told himself again and again, and with fretful unease, that the most awful thing about it all was that he wasn't sure. If only he could have been sure, he might have made up his mind exactly what it was he ought to do. But when telling himself this he was deceiving himself and he was vaguely conscious of the fact, for, from Bunting's point of view, almost any alternative would have been preferable to that which to some, nay, perhaps to most, householders, would have seemed the only thing to do, namely, to go to the police. But Londoners of Bunting's class have an uneasy fear of the law. To his mind it would be ruined for him and for his Ellen to be mixed up publicly in such a terrible affair. No one concerned in the business would give them in their future a thought, but it would track them to their dying day, and above all, it would make it quite impossible for them ever to get again into a good joint situation. It was that for which Bunting, in his secret soul, now longed with all his heart. No, some other way than going to the police must be found, and he wracked his slow brain to find it. The worst of it was that every hour that went by made his future course more difficult and more delicate and increased the awful weight on his conscience. If only he really knew, if only he could feel quite sure, and then he would tell himself that, after all, he had very little to go upon, only suspicion, suspicion and a secret horrible certainty that his suspicion was justified. And so at last Bunting began to long for a solution which he knew to be indefensible from every point of view.  But far from going out on any business, horrible or other, Mr. Sleuth now never went out at all. He kept upstairs and often spent quite a considerable part of his day in bed. He still felt, so he assured Mrs. Bunting, very far from well. He had never thrown off the chill he had caught on that bitter night he and his landlord had met on their several ways home. Joe Chandler, too, had become a terrible complication to Daisy's father. The detective spent every waking hour that he was not on duty with the Buntings, and Bunting, who at one time had liked him so well and so cordially, now became mortally afraid of him. But though the young man talked of little else in the Avenger, and though on one evening he described that immense length the eccentric looking gent who had given the barmaid a sovereign, picturing Mr. Sleuth with such awful accuracy that both Bunting and Mrs. Bunting secretly and separately turned sick when they listened to him, he never showed the slightest interest in their lodger. At last there came a morning when Bunting and Chandler held a strange conversation about the Avenger. The young fellow had come in earlier than usual, and just as he arrived, Mrs. Bunting and Daisy were starting out to do some shopping. The girl would feign have stopped behind, but her stepmother had given her a very peculiar, disagreeable look, daring her, so to speak, to be so forward, and Daisy had gone on with a flushed, angry look on her pretty face. And then, as young Chandler stepped through into the sitting room, it suddenly struck Bunting that the young man looked unlike himself. Indeed, to the ex-Buttler's apprehension, there was something almost threatening in Chandler's attitude. I want a word with you, Mr. Bunting. He began abruptly, falteringly, and I'm glad to have the chance now that Mrs. Bunting and Mrs. Daisy are out. Bunting braced himself to hear the awful words, the accusation of having sheltered a murderer, the monster whom all the world was seeking under his roof, and then he remembered a phrase, a horrible legal phrase, accessory after the fact. Yes, he had been that. There wasn't any doubt about it. Yes, he said, what is it, Joe? And then the unfortunate man sat down in his chair. Yes, he said again, uncertainly, for young Chandler had now advanced to the table. He was looking at Bunting fixedly, the other thought threateningly. Well, out with it, Joe, don't keep me in suspense. And then a slight smile broke over the young man's face. I don't think what I've got to say can take you by surprise, Mr. Bunting. And Bunting wagged his head in a way that might mean anything, yes or no, as the case might be. The two men looked at one another for what seemed a very, very long time to the elder of them. And then, making a great effort, Joe Chandler brought out the words. Well, I suppose you know what it is I want to talk about. I'm sure Mrs. Bunting would from a look or two she's lately cast on me. It's your daughter, it's Mrs. Daisy. And then Bunting gave a kind of cry, twix a sob and a laugh. My girl, he cried, good Lord Joe, is that all you want to talk about, why you fair frightened me that you did. And indeed the relief was so great that the room swam round as he stared across it at his daughter's lover, that lover who was also the embodiment of that now awful thing to him, the law. He smiled rather foolishly at his visitor, and Chandler felt a sharp wave of irritation, of impatience sweep over his good-natured soul. Daisy's father was an old stupid, that's what he was. And then Bunting grew serious, the room ceased to go round. As far as I'm concerned, he said, with a good deal of solemnity, even a little dignity, you have my blessing, Joe, you're a very likely young chap and I had a true respect for your father. Yes, said Chandler, that's very kind of you, Mr. Bunting. But how about her, her herself? Bunting stared at him, it pleased him to think that Daisy hadn't given herself away, as Ellen was always hinting the girl was doing. I can't answer for Daisy, he said heavily, you'll have to ask her yourself, that's not a job any other man can do for you, my lad. I never gets a chance, I never sees her, not by our two selves, said Chandler, with some heat. You don't seem to understand, Mr. Bunting, that I never do see Miss Daisy alone, he repeated. I hear now that she's going away Monday, and I've only once had the chance of a walk with her. Mrs. Bunting's very particular, not to say pernickety in her ideas, Mr. Bunting. That's a fault on the right side, that is, with the young girl, said Bunting thoughtfully, and Chandler nodded. He quite agreed that as regarded other young chaps Mrs. Bunting could not be too particular. She's been brought up like a lady, my Daisy has, went on Bunting with some pride, that old aunt of hers hardly lets her out of her sight. I was coming to the old aunt, said Chandler, heavily. Mrs. Bunting, she talks as if your daughter was going to stay with that old woman the whole of her natural life, now is that right? That's what I want to ask you, Mr. Bunting, is that right? I'll say a word to Ellen, don't you fear, said Bunting abstractedly. His mind had wandered off, away from Daisy and this nice young chap, to his now constant anxious preoccupation. You come along to-morrow, he said, and I'll see you gets your walk with Daisy, it's only right you and she should have a chance of seeing one another without old folk being by, else how's the girl to tell whether she likes you or not? For the matter of that, you hardly knows her, Joe. He looked at the young man consideringly. Chandler shook his head impatiently. I knows her quite as well as I wants to know her, he said.  No, did you really, said Bunting? Well, come to think of it, I did so with her mother, I and years after with Ellen, too, but I hope you'll never want no second, Chandler. God forbid, said the young man under his breath, and then he asked, rather longingly, do you think they'll be out long now, Mr. Bunting? And Bunting woke up to a due sense of hospitality.  I don't believe they'll be very long. They've only got a little bit of shopping to do. And then, in a changed, in a ringing, nervous tone, he asked, and how about your job, Joe? Nothing new I take it? I suppose you're all just waiting for the next time. I, that's about the figure of it, Chandler's voice had also changed. It was now somber, menacing. We were fair tired of it, beginning to wonder when the little end that we are. Do you ever try and make to yourself a picture of what the masters like, asked Bunting? Somehow he felt he must ask that. Yes, said Joe slowly. I have a sort of notion. A savage, fierce-looking devil the chat must be. It's that description that was circulated, put us wrong. I don't believe it was the man that knocked up against that woman in the fog. No, not one bit I don't. But I wavers. I can't quite make up my mind. Sometimes I think it's a sailor, the foreigner they talks about, that goes away for eight or nine days in between, to Holland maybe, or to France. Then again, I says to myself that it's a butcher, a man from the central market. Whoever it is that someone used to killing, that's flat. Then it don't seem to you possible. Bunting got up and walked over to the window. You don't take any stock, I suppose, and that idea that some of the papers put out, that the man is, then he hesitated and brought out with a gasp. A gentleman. Chandler looked at him, surprised. No, he said deliberately. I've made up my mind, that's quite a wrong tack, though I know that some of our fellows, big pots too, are quite sure that the fellow what gave the girl the sovereign is the man we're looking for. You see, Mr. Bunting, if that's the fact, well it stands to reason the fellow's an escaped lunatic, and if he's an escaped lunatic, he's got a keeper, and they'd be raising a you and cry after him, now wouldn't they? You don't think, went on Bunting, lowering his voice, that he could be just staying somewhere, lodging like. Do you mean that the Avenger may be a toff staying in some West End hotel, Mr. Bunting? Well, things almost as funny as added be have come to pass. He smiled as if the notion was a funny one. Yes, something of that sort, muttered Bunting. Well, if your idea is correct, Mr. Bunting, I never said it was my idea, said Bunting, all in a hurry. Well, if that idea is correct then, it will make our task more difficult than ever, why it would be looking for a needle in a field of hay, Mr. Bunting, but there, I don't think it's anything quite so unlikely as that, not myself, I don't. He hesitated.  And then, to both men's secret relief, for Bunting was now mortally afraid of this discussion concerning the Avenger and his doings, they heard Mrs. Bunting's key in the lock. Daisy blushed Rosie red with pleasure when she saw that young Chandler was still there. She had feared that when they got home he would be gone, the more so that Ellen, just as if she was doing it on purpose, had lingered aggravatingly long over each small purchase. Here's Joe come to ask if he can take Daisy out for a walk, ordered out Bunting. My mother says is how she'd like you to come to tea over at Richmond, said Chandler awkwardly. I just come in to see whether we could fix it up, Miss Daisy, and Daisy looked imploringly at her stepmother. Do you mean now, this minute, asked Mrs. Bunting tartly? No, of course not, Bunting broke in hastily. How you do go on, Ellen. What day did your mother mention would be convenient to her? asked Mrs. Bunting, looking at the young man satirically. Chandler hesitated. His mother had not mentioned any special day. In fact, his mother had shown a surprising lack of anxiety to see Daisy at all, but he had talked her round. How about Saturday, suggested Bunting. That's Daisy's birthday. It would be a birthday treat for her to go to Richmond, and she's going back to old aunt on Monday. I can't go Saturday, said Chandler, disconsolately. I'm on duty Saturday. Well then, let it be Sunday, said Bunting firmly, and his wife looked at him surprised. He seldom asserted himself so much in her presence. What do you say, Miss Daisy, said Chandler? Sunday would be very nice, said Daisy demerly, and then, as the young man took up his hat, and as her stepmother did not stir, Daisy ventured to go out into the hall with him for a minute. Chandler shut the door behind them, and so was spared the hearing of Mrs. Bunting's whispered remark. When I was a young woman, folk didn't gallivant about on Sunday those who was courting used to go to church together decent like. End of Chapter 24. Recording by Leanne Howlett. Chapter 25 of the Lodger. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org. Recording by Leanne Howlett. The Lodger. By Marie Bellick-Lowns. Chapter 25. Daisy's 18th birthday dawned uneventfully. Her father gave her what he had always promised she should have on her 18th birthday, a watch. It was a pretty little silver watch which Bunting had bought second hand on the last day he had been happy. It seemed a long, long time ago now. Mrs. Bunting thought a silver watch a very extravagant present, but she was far too wretched, far too absorbed in her own thoughts to trouble much about it. Besides in such matters she had generally had the good sense not to interfere between her husband and his child. In the middle of the birthday morning Bunting went out to buy himself some more tobacco. He had never smoked so much as in the last four days, perhaps the week that had followed on his leaving service. Smoking a pipe had then held all the exquisite pleasure which we are told attaches itself to the eating of forbidden fruit. His tobacco had now become his only relaxation. It acted on his nerves as an opiate, soothing his fears and helping him to think. But he had been overdoing it, and it was that which now made him feel so jumpy so he assured himself, when he found himself starting at any casual sound outside, or even when his wife spoke to him suddenly. Just now Ellen and Daisy were down in the kitchen, and Bunting didn't quite like the sensation of knowing that there was only one pair of stairs between Mr. Sleuth and himself. So he quietly slipped out of the house without telling Ellen that he was going out. In the last four days Bunting had avoided his usual haunts. Above all he had avoided even passing the time of day to his acquaintances and neighbors. He feared with a great fear that they would talk to him of a subject which, because it filled his mind to the exclusion of all else, might make him betray the knowledge, no, not knowledge, rather the suspicion that dwelt within him. But today the unfortunate man had a curious instinctive longing for human companionship. Companionship that is, other than that of his wife and of his daughter. This longing for a change of company finally led him into a small, populous thoroughfare hard by the edge where road. There were more people there than usual just now, for the housewives of the neighborhood were doing their Saturday marketing for Sunday. The ex-butler turned into a small, old-fashioned shop where he generally bought his tobacco. Bunting passed the time of day with the tobacconist, and the two fell into dussel-tory talk, but to his customer's relief and surprise the man made no illusion to the subject of which all the neighborhood must still be talking. And then quite suddenly, while still standing by the counter and before he had paid for the packet of tobacco he held in his hand, Bunting, through the open door, saw with horrified surprise that Ellen, his wife, was standing alone outside a green roaster's shop just opposite. Muttering a word of apology he rushed out of the shop and across the road. Ellen, he gasped, hoarsely, you've never gone and left my little girl alone in the house with the lodger. Mrs. Bunting's face went yellow with fear. I thought you was indoors, she cried. You was indoors. Whatever made you come out for without first making sure I'd stay in? Bunting made no answer, but as they stared at each other in exasperated silence, each now knew that the other knew. They turned and scurried down the crowded street. Don't run, he said suddenly. We shall get there just as quickly if we walk fast. People are noticing you, Ellen. Don't run. He spoke breathlessly, but it was breathlessness induced by fear and by excitement, not by the quick pace at which they were walking.  After all, Daisy was his child. Ellen couldn't know how he was feeling. He seemed to take the path in one leap, then fumbled for a moment with his latch key. Opening wide the door, Daisy, he called out in a wailing voice, Daisy, my dear, where are you? Here I am, Father, what is it? She's all right. Bunting turned a gray face to his wife. She's all right, Ellen. He waited a moment, leaning against the wall of the passage. It did give me a turn, he said, and then, warningly, don't frighten the girl, Ellen.  Oh, Father, she exclaimed without turning round. I've seen the lodger. He's quite a nice gentleman, though to be sure he does look a cure. He rang his bell, but I didn't like to go up, and so he came down to ask Ellen for something. We had quite a nice little chat that we had. I told him it was my birthday, and he asked me and Ellen to go to Madame Tussauds with him this afternoon. She laughed a little self-consciously. Of course I could see he was centric, and then at first she spoke so funnily. And who be you, he says, threatening like. And I says to him, I'm Mr. Bunting's daughter, sir.  That's why, he says, you look such a good innocent girl. And then he quoted a bit of the prayer book. Keep innocency, he says, wagging his head at me. Lord, it made me feel as if I was with old Aunt again. I won't have you going out with the lodger. That's flat. Bunting spoke in a muffled, angry tone. He was wiping his forehead with one hand, while with the other he mechanically squeezed the little packet of tobacco, for which, as he now remembered, he had forgotten to pay. Daisy pouted. Oh, Father, I think you might let me have a treat on my birthday. I told him that Saturday wasn't a very good day, at least so I'd heard, from Madame Tussauds. Then he said we could go early, while the fine folk are still having their dinners. She turned to her stepmother, then giggled happily. He particularly said you was to come, too. The lodger has a wonderful fancy for you, Ellen. If I was Father, I'd feel quite jealous. Her last words were cut across by a tap-tap on the door. Bunting and his wife looked at each other apprehensively. Was it possible that, in their agitation, they had left the front door open, and that some one, some merciless mermitant of the law, had crept in behind them? Both felt a curious thrill of satisfaction when they saw that it was only Mr. Sleuth. Mr. Sleuth dressed for going out. The tall hat he had worn when he had first come to them was in his hand, but he was wearing a coat instead of his Inverness cape. I heard you come in, he had dressed Mrs. Bunting in his high whistling, hesitating voice, and so I've come down to ask you if you and Miss Bunting will come to Madame Tussauds now. I have never seen those famous waxworks, though I've heard of the place all my life. As Bunting forced himself to look fixedly at his lodger, a sudden doubt bringing with it a sense of immeasurable relief came to Mr. Sleuth's landlord. Surely it was inconceivable that this gentle, mild-mannered gentleman could be the monster of cruelty and cunning that Bunting had now for the terrible space of four days believed him to be. He tried to catch his wife's eye, but Mrs. Bunting was looking away, staring into vacancy. She still, of course, wore the bonnet and cloak in which she had just been out to do her marketing. Daisy was already putting on her hat and coat. Well, said Mr. Sleuth, then Mrs. Bunting turned, and it seemed to his landlady that he was looking at her threateningly. Well? Yes, sir, we'll come in a minute, she said dolly. End of Chapter 25. Recording by Leanne Howlett. Chapter 26 of the Lodger. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org. Recording by Leanne Howlett. The Lodger. By Marie Bellock Lowndes. Chapter 26. Madam Tussauds had hitherto held pleasant memories for Mrs. Bunting. In the days when she and Bunting were recording, they often spent there a part of their afternoon out. The butler had an acquaintance, a man named Hopkins, who was one of the waxwork's staff, and this man had sometimes given him passes for self and lady. But this was the first time Mrs. Bunting had been inside the place since she had come to live almost next door, as it were, to the big building. They walked in silence to the familiar entrance, and then, after the ill-assorted trio had gone up the great staircase and into the first gallery, Mr. Sleuth suddenly stopped short. The presence of those curious, still waxing figures which suggest so strangely death and life seemed to surprise and affright him. Daisy took quick advantage of the Lodger's hesitation and unease. Oh, Ellen, she cried, do let us begin by going into the Chamber of Horrors. I've never been in there. Old Aunt made father promise he wouldn't take me the only time I've ever been here. But now that I'm eighteen I can do just as I like. Besides old Aunt will never know. Mr. Sleuth looked down at her, and a smile passed for a moment over his worn, gaunt face. Yes, he said, let us go into the Chamber of Horrors. That's a good idea, Miss Bunting. I've always wanted to see the Chamber of Horrors. They turned into the great room in which the Napoleonic relics were then kept, in which led into the curious, vault-like chamber where wax and effigies of dead criminals stand grouped in wooden docks. Mrs. Bunting was at once disturbed and relieved to see her husband's old acquaintance, Mr. Hopkins, in charge of the turnstile admitting the public to the Chamber of Horrors.  I do believe that this is the very first time I've seen you in here, Mrs. Bunting, since you was married. Yes, she said, that is so. And this is my husband's daughter, Daisy. I expect you've heard of her, Mr. Hopkins. And this, she hesitated a moment. Is our lodger, Mr. Sleuth? But Mr. Sleuth frowned and shuffled away. Daisy, leaving her stepmother's side, joined him. Two, as all the world knows, is company. Three is none. Mrs. Bunting put down three sixpences. Wait a minute, said Hopkins. You can't go into the Chamber of Horrors just yet, but you won't have to wait more than four or five minutes, Mrs. Bunting. It's this way, you see. Our boss is in there showing a party round. He lowered his voice. It's Sir John Burney. I suppose you know who Sir John Burney is. No, she answered indifferently. I don't know that I ever heard of him. She felt slightly, oh, very slightly, uneasy about Daisy. She would have liked her stepdaughter to keep well within sight and sound, but Mr. Sleuth was now taking the girl down to the other end of the room. Well, I hope you never will know him, not in any personal sense, Mrs. Bunting. The man chuckled. He's the Commissioner of Police, the new one. That's what Sir John Burney is. One of the gentlemen he's showing round our place is the Paris police boss, whose job is on all fours, so to speak, with Sir Johns. The Frenchie has brought his daughter with him, and there are several other ladies. Ladies always likes horrors, Mrs. Bunting. That's our experience here. Oh, take me to the Chamber of Horrors. That's what they say the minute they get into this here building. Mrs. Bunting looked at him thoughtfully. It occurred to Mr. Hopkins that she was very won and tired. She used to look better in the old days when she was still in service before Bunting married her. Yes, she said. That's just what my stepdaughter said just now. Oh, take me to the Chamber of Horrors. That's exactly what she did say when we got upstairs. A group of people, all talking and laughing together, were advancing from within the wooden barrier toward the turnstile. Mrs. Bunting stared at them nervously. She wondered which of them was the gentleman with whom Mr. Hopkins had hoped she would never be brought into personal contact. She thought she could pick him out among the others. He was a tall, powerful, handsome gentleman with a military appearance. Just now he was smiling down into the face of a young lady. And sure Barbara Rue was quite right, he was saying in a loud, cheerful voice. Our English law is too kind to the criminal, especially to the murderer. If we conduct that our trials in the French fashion, the place we have just left would be very much fuller than it is today. A man of whose guilt we are absolutely assured is oftener than not acquitted, and then the public taunt us with another undiscovered crime. Do you mean, Sir John, that murderers sometimes escape scot-free? Like the man who has been committing all these awful murders this last month, I suppose there's no doubt he'll be hanged if he's ever caught that is. Her girlish voice rang out, and Mrs. Bunting could hear every word that was said. The whole party gathered round, listening eagerly. Well, no, he spoke very deliberately. I doubt if that particular murderer ever will be hanged. You mean that you'll never catch him? The girl spoke with a touch of airy impertinence in her clear voice. I think we shall end by catching him, because—he waited a moment, then added in a lower voice. Now, don't give me away to a newspaper fellow, Miss Rose, because now I think we do know who the murderer in question is. Several of those standing nearby uttered expressions of surprise and incredulity. Then why don't you catch him? cried the girl indignantly. I didn't say we knew where he was. I only said we knew who he was, or rather, perhaps I ought to say that I personally have a very strong suspicion of his identity. Sir John's French colleague looked up quickly. De Lipzig and Liverpool man, he said interrogatively. The other nodded. Yes, I suppose you've had the case turned up. Then speaking very quickly, as if he wished to dismiss the subject from his own mind, and from that of his auditors, he went on. Four murders of the kind were committed eight years ago. Two in Lipzig, the others just afterwards in Liverpool. And there were certain peculiarities connected with the crimes which made it clear they were committed by the same hand. The perpetrator was caught, fortunately for us, red-handed, just as he was leaving the house of his last victim, for in Liverpool the murder was committed at a house. I myself saw the unhappy man. I say unhappy, for there is no doubt at all that he was mad. He hesitated and added in a lower tone, suffering from an acute form of religious mania. I myself saw him, as I say, at some length. But now comes the really interesting point. I have just been informed that a month ago this criminal lunatic, as we must of course regard him, made his escape from the asylum where he was confined. He arranged the whole thing with extraordinary cunning and intelligence, and we should probably have caught him long ago, where it not that he managed, went on his way out of the place, to annex a considerable sum of money and gold, with which the wages of the asylum staff were about to be paid. It is owing to that fact that his escape was, very wrongly, concealed. He stopped abruptly, as if sorry he had said so much, and a moment later the party were walking an Indian file through the turn-style, Sir John Burnie leading the way. Mrs. Bunting looked straight before her. She felt, so she expressed it to her husband later, as if she had been turned to stone. Even had she wished to do so, she had neither the time nor the power to warn her lodger of his danger, for Daisy and her companion were now coming down the room, bearing straight for the commissioner of police. In another moment Mrs. Bunting's lodger and Sir John Burnie were face to face. Mr. Sleuth swerved to one side. There came a terrible change over his pale, narrow face. It became discomposed, livid with rage and terror. But to Mrs. Bunting's relief, yes, to her inexpressible relief, Sir John Burnie and his friends swept on. They passed Mr. Sleuth and the girl by his side, unaware or so it seemed to her, that there was anyone else in the room but themselves. Hurry up, Mrs. Bunting, said the turn-style keeper. You and your friends will have the place all to yourselves for a bit. From an official he had become a man, and it was the man and Mr. Hopkins that gallantly addressed pretty Daisy Bunting. It seemed strange that a young lady like you should want to go on and see all those horrible frights, he said jestingly. Mrs. Bunting, may I trouble you to come over here for a moment? The words were hissed rather than spoken by Mr. Sleuth's lips. His landlady took a doubtful step towards him.  The lodger's face was still distorted with fear and passion. Do not think to escape the consequences of your hideous treachery.  But I am protected by a higher power for I still have much to do. Then his voice sinking to a whisper he hissed out. Your end will be bitter as wormwood and sharp as a two-edged sword.  Even while Mr. Sleuth was muttering these strange, dreadful words, he was looking round, glancing this way and that, seeking a way of escape. At last his eyes became fixed on a small placard placed above a curtain. The exit was written there. Mrs. Bunting thought he was going to make a dash for the place. But Mr. Sleuth did something very different. Leaving his landlady's side, he walked over to the turnstile. He fumbled in his pocket for a moment and then touched the man on the arm. I feel ill, he said, speaking very rapidly. Very ill indeed. It is the atmosphere of this place. I want you to let me out by the quickest way. It would be a pity for me to faint here, especially with ladies about. His left hand shot out and placed what he had been fumbling for in his pocket on the other's bare palm. I see there's an emergency exit over there. Would it be possible for me to get out that way? Well, yes, sir, I think so. The man hesitated. He felt a slight, a very slight feeling of misgiving. He looked at Daisy, flushed and smiling, happy and unconcerned, and then at Mrs. Bunting. She was very pale, but surely her lodger's sudden seizure was enough to make her feel worried. Hopkins felt the half-sovereign pleasantly tickling his palm. The Paris prefect of police had given him only half a crown. Mean, shabby foreigner. Yes, sir, I can let you out that way, he said at last, and perhaps when you're standing out in the air on the iron balcony you'll feel better. But then you know, sir, you'll have to come round to the front if he wants to come in again, for those emergency doors only open outward. Yes, yes, said Mr. Sleuth hurriedly. I quite understand. If I feel better I'll come in by the front way and pay another shilling. That's only fair. You needn't do that if you'll just explain what happened here. The man went and pulled the curtain aside and put his shoulder against the door. It burst open and the light, for a moment, blinded Mr. Sleuth. He passed his hand over his eyes. Thank you, he muttered. Thank you. I shall get all right out there. An iron stairway led down into a small stable-yard, of which the door opened into a side street. Mr. Sleuth looked round once more. He really did feel very ill, ill and dazed. How pleasant it would be to take a flying leap over the balcony railing and find rest, eternal rest, below. But no, he thrust the thought, the temptation, from him. Again a convulsive look of rage came over his face. He had remembered his landlady. How could the woman whom he had treated so generously had betrayed him to his arch-enemy, to the official, that is, who had entered into a conspiracy years ago to have him confined, him, an absolutely sane man with a great avenging work to do in the world, in a lunatic asylum? He stepped out into the open air, and the curtain, falling too behind him, wadded out the tall, thin figure from the little group of people who had watched him disappear. Even Daisy felt a little scared. He did look bad, didn't he now? She turned appealingly to Mr. Hopkins. Yes, that he did, poor gentleman. Your lodger, too? He looked sympathetically at Mrs. Bunting. She moistened her lips with her tongue. Yes, she repeated dolly, my lodger. CHAPTER 27 In vain Mr. Hopkins invited Mrs. Bunting and her pretty stepdaughter to step through into the Chamber of Horrors. I think we ought to go straight home, said Mr. Sleuth's landlady decidedly, and Daisy meekly assented. Somehow the girl felt confused, a little scared by the lodger's sudden disappearance. Perhaps this unwanted feeling of hers was induced by the look of stunned surprise, and yes, pain, on her stepmother's face. Only they made their way out of the building, and when they got home it was Daisy who described the strange way Mr. Sleuth had been taken. I don't suppose he'll be long before he comes home, said Bunting heavily, and he casts an anxious, furtive look at his wife. She looked as if stricken in a vital part. He saw from her face that there was something wrong. Very wrong indeed. The hours dragged on. All three felt moody and ill at ease. He knew there was no chance that young Chandler would come in today. About six o'clock Mrs. Bunting went upstairs. She lit the gas in Mr. Sleuth's sitting-room and looked about her with a fearful glance. Somehow everything seemed to speak to her of the lodger. There lay her Bible in his concordance, side by side on the table, exactly as he had left them, when he had come downstairs and suggested that ill-starred expedition to his landlord's daughter. She took a few steps forward, listening the while anxiously for the familiar sound of the click in the door which would tell her that the lodger had come back, and then she went over to the window and looked out. What a cold night for a man to be wandering about, homeless, friendless, and, as she suspected with a pang, with but very little money on him. Turning abruptly she went into the lodger's bedroom and opened the drawer of the looking-glass. Yes, there lay the much-diminished heap of sovereigns, if only he had taken his money out with him. She wondered painfully whether he had enough on his person to secure a good night's lodging, and then suddenly she remembered that which brought relief to her mind. The lodger had given something to that Hopkins fellow, either a sovereign or half a sovereign, she wasn't sure which. The memory of Mr. Sleuth's cruel words to her of his threat did not disturb her over much. It had been a mistake, all a mistake. Far from betraying Mr. Sleuth, she had sheltered him, kept his awful secret as she could not have kept that had she known or even dimly suspected the horrible fact with which Sir John Bernie's words had made her acquainted, namely that Mr. Sleuth was victim of no temporary aberration, but that he was, and had been for years, a madman, a homicidal maniac. In her ears there still rang the Frenchman's half-careless yet confident question. Did leapsick and Liverpool man? Following a sudden impulse she went back into the sitting-room and taking a black-headed pen out of her bodice stuck it amid the leaves of the Bible. Then she opened the book and looked at the page the pen had marked. My tabernacle is spoiled and all my cords are broken. There is none to stretch forth my tent any more and to set up my curtains. At last leaving the Bible open Mrs. Bunting went downstairs and as she opened the door of her sitting-room Daisy came towards her stepmother. I'll go down and start getting the larger supper ready for you, said the girl good-naturedly.  Write down bad that he did. Mrs. Bunting made no answer. She simply stepped aside to allow Daisy to go down. Mr. Sleuth won't never come back no more, she said somberly, and then she felt both glad and angry at the extraordinary change which came over her husband's face. Yet perversely that look of relief, of write-down joy, chiefly angered her and tempted her to add. That's to say, I don't suppose he will. And Bunting's face altered again. The old, anxious, depressed look, the look it had worn the last few days, returned. What makes you think he may not come back, he muttered? Too long to tell you now, she said. Wait till the child's gone to bed. And Bunting had to restrain his curiosity. And then, when at last Daisy had gone off to the back room where she now slept with her stepmother, Mrs. Bunting beckoned to her husband to follow her upstairs. Before doing so, he went down the passage and put the chain on the door, and about this they had a few sharp whispered words.  I'm not going to leave Daisy down here with that man perhaps walking in any minute. Mr. Sleuth won't hurt Daisy, bless you, much more likely to hurt me. And she gave a half sob. Bunting stared at her. What do you mean, he said roughly, come upstairs and tell me what you mean. And then, in what had been the lodger's sitting room, Mrs. Bunting told her husband exactly what it was that had happened. He listened in heavy silence. So you see, she said at last, you see, Bunting, that was me that was right after all. The lodger was never responsible for his actions. I never thought he was, for my part. And Bunting stared at her ruminatingly. Depends on what you call responsible, he began, argumentatively. But she would have none of that. I heard the gentleman say myself that he was a lunatic, she said fiercely, and then dropping her voice. A religious maniac, that's what he called him. Well, he never seemed so to me, said Bunting stoutly. He simply seemed to me centric, that's all he did. Not a bit matter than many I could tell you of. He was walking around the room restlessly, but he stopped short at last. And what do you think we ought to do now? Mrs.  I don't think we ought to do nothing, she said. Why should we? And then again he began walking round the room in an aimless fashion that irritated her. If only I could put out a bit of supper for him somewhere where he would get it. And his money, too. I hate to feel it's in there. Don't you make any mistake, he'll come back for that, said Bunting with decision. But Mrs. Bunting shook her head. She knew better.  It's no use us sitting up any longer. Then Bunting acquiesced.  Suddenly he turned and came down again. Ellen, he said in an urgent whisper, if I was you I'd take the chain off the door and I'd lock myself in, that's what I'm going to do, then he can sneak in and take his dirty money away. Mrs. Bunting neither nodded nor shook her head. Suddenly she went downstairs, and there she carried out half of Bunting's advice. She took, that is, the chain off the front door. But she did not go to bed, neither did she lock herself in. She sat up all night, waiting. At half past seven she made herself a cup of tea, and then she went into her bedroom. Daisy opened her eyes. Why, Ellen, she said, I suppose I was that tired and slept so sound that I never heard you come to bed or get up. Funny, wasn't it? Young people don't sleep as light as do old folks, Mrs. Bunting said sententiously. Did the lodger come in after all? I suppose he's upstairs now? Mrs. Bunting shook her head. It looks as if it would be a fine day for you down at Richmond, she observed in a kindly tone. And Daisy smiled, a very happy, confident little smile. That evening Mrs. Bunting forced herself to tell young Chandler that their lodger had, so to speak, disappeared. She and Bunting had thought carefully over what they would say, and so well did they carry out their program, or what is more likely so full was young Chandler of the long happy day he and Daisy had spent together, that he took their news very calmly. Gone away, has he? He observed casually. Well, I hope he paid up all right. Oh, yes, yes, said Mrs. Bunting hastily. No trouble of that sort. And Bunting said shame-facedly. Aye, aye, the lodger was quite an honest gentleman, Joe, but I feel worried about him. He was such a poor gentle chap. Not the sort of man one likes to think of as wandering about by himself. You always said he was centric, said Joe thoughtfully. Yes, he was that, said Bunting slowly.  Would you like a description of him circulated, asked Joe good-naturedly? Mr. and Mrs. Bunting looked at one another. No, I don't think so. Not yet a while at any rate, twit upset him awfully, you see. And Joe acquiesced. You'd be surprised at the number of people who disappears and are never heard of again. He said cheerfully. And then he got up very reluctantly.  When she came back she walked over to where her father was sitting in his easy chair, and standing behind him she put her arms round his neck. Then she bent down her head. Father, she said, I have a bit of news for you. Yes, my dear? Father I'm engaged. Aren't you surprised? Well, what do you think, said Bunting fondly? Then he turned round and catching hold of her head, gave her a good hearty kiss. What'll Old Aunt say, I wonder, he whispered. Don't you worry about Old Aunt, exclaimed his wife suddenly. I'll manage Old Aunt. I'll go down and see her. She and I have always got on pretty comfortable together as you know's well, Daisy. Yes, said Daisy a little wonderingly, I know you have, Ellen. Mr. Sleuth never came back, and at last after many days and many nights had gone by, Mrs. Bunting left off listening for the click of the lock which she at once hoped and feared would herald her lodger's return. As suddenly and as mysteriously as they had begun, the Avenger murders stopped. But there came a morning in the early spring when a gardener, working in the Regents Park, found a newspaper in which was wrapped, together with a half-worn pair of rubber-soled shoes, a long, peculiarly shaped knife. The fact, though of considerable interest to the police, was not chronicled in any newspaper, but about the same time a picturesque little paragraph went the round of the press concerning a small box full of sovereigns which had been anonymously forwarded to the governors of the Foundling Hospital. Meanwhile Mrs. Bunting had been as good as her word about old aunt, and that lady had received the wonderful news concerning Daisy and a more philosophical spirit than her great niece had expected her to do. She only observed that it was odd to reflect that if gentle folks leave a house in charge of the police a burglary is pretty sure to follow, a remark which Daisy reasoned much more than did her Joe. Mr. Bunting and his Ellen are now in the service of an old lady, by whom they are feared as well as respected, and whom they make very comfortable. End of Chapter 27 End of The Lodger Recording by Leanne Howlett


Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique house. It's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with. I'm Monomosa, by the way. I'm Crane Cunson, everything. Thank you for the save, nigga. You know what I'm talking about, man? Hey, man, we in the building, man. We got my boy, Kenny B.  I got the members. My nigga, what the hell's going on, my nigga? Y'all got them all black, nigga.  What the hell's going on? We're ready to do it, you hear me? How you doing, man? We straight with chillin'. Man, you back on the show, man. Hey, man, I know you like, damn, he dropped that old video, man. I gotta get back over there and redeem this. And now I like the video, though. Everybody liked it. It was a lot of people. It's straight, I like it. Some niggas would like, man. Tell them how y'all made me come in here and do it, though. Man, you can't, look at you. We didn't make you, Blake, man. You were really posing. No, that's all. I had some pajamas on in the car, bro. Bro, you posed that. Ben came, though. You in your phone. You're like three times. You're doing that the way. Man, just, but you like the way it looked at him.  I said it's gonna look good. But so, man, you been out here moving, man. I see your Instagram keep gettin' takin', gettin' back, man. What's up with that? Baby, hey, no me. Well, you know niggas swear as baby, hey.  People page me and took like that and I'll be like nah, here and now.  It don't be nothin' like. So do they get a warning or do you get an email? Yeah, you get a lot of warnings. So everybody page they begin to, they begin warnings for so. So niggas be like, they don't know what happened. Yeah, they know what happened. Hey, I done posted some weed, some guns, something.  And that's what it is. I try to stay away from her. I'm like, I ain't tryin' to lose nothin'. Niggas need all these niggas up and watchin' at all times. Yeah, not for so. So what's goin' on with you though in the music, man? I seen you just dropped another video, man. Yeah.  So I'm sayin' like, the start of me being consistent and dropping new videos and what they want. How often are you gonna be trying to drop, man? Like this year compared to last year? I don't know. Whenever I'm free to do that shit, see what I'm sayin'?  See what I'm sayin'? So when I do, get all the way a rapper is gonna be like, I'm gonna be straight on that, I'm gonna be droppin' a lot. Yeah, yeah. So, you guys got new projects comin' out that y'all already got pre-planned or is it somethin' that you guys are workin' on tryin' to figure out?  See what I'm sayin'? It's new artists that I've, like, here are artists right here, like he's street rich.   See what I'm sayin'?   See what I'm sayin'? Cause I be rappin' with him and I do somethin' with the project. It's his little cousin, they rap too. See what I'm sayin'?  But we got our own projects finna drop though. See what I'm sayin'? Shit like that and me and Rio. How long y'all been, how did y'all all link up?  But I was so bad, it's just like we all brushed off. We all went different ways, see what I'm sayin'? So I had went to the suburbs with my daddy.   When it's a movement, like when people come together, things happen, that's why the laws be arrestin' niggas too. What you up to say? Because numbers, it brings like different things start to happen. More than five, yeah. It's more than five you a gang. I think more than three. It's more than five you a gang. What, more than five what? You a gang? Really? And a gang? Yeah, if you hang with more than five people, you would consider as a gang. Well I guess some of the gang did niggas because I moved like a unit. Yeah. Yeah. That was a girl too, a girl too. Everybody, especially black, really black people. Oh just for the black people? Yeah, it's racist. Cause we did it one time, we had our football team, it was like all of us. Football team, you know how many people it is? Yeah. They talkin' about we can't be more than five as a gang.  Yeah, so last time you was on here, you spoke on, and it was right on time, that boy, Hot Boy West, cause he came on the show after that. He been on here. I came on here.  And that was dope, man, for you to even, the way you did that.  Some people said, not only go yeyo, some people said, twisted black. And I was like, man, he don't really, do you, how do you feel about like, do you know, remember them, or are you just a younger, younger generation?  But you know, they, they, um, generation, like older classmates, like, I don't, like, how, how I put it. Like, yeyo have went to the level, like, for as yellow, be easy them, but not just as far as them. See what I'm saying? Like, they in a different category, where they in the same category, but a different category type shit, like, it's just like, Fort Worth, it's just like, we, we be thugging and rapping. See what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, we can be at the B.L.T. Awards today and be in jail tomorrow, like that. See what I'm saying?  So, I mean, when you think about just, just the way the music thing is going though, I feel like, and I don't know how y'all feel about it, but it looked like it's like an open lane to me, bro. Like the music that was, was like, we had, say two years ago, it's a wide open lane for niggas like you, the niggas that I see making the moves. When I look at my IG or if I look on YouTube, the work that's coming out, really I'll be looking at, maybe it's because we've been rocking, but I'll be seeing y'all doing that work, man. So that's the dope part about it. You know what I'm saying? Like you putting out visuals.  Was it live? Yesterday? Everyday.  Nah, for real. Gotta be. So how do you schedule it?  Nah, it really just don't be like, every day I just go live whenever.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's get to know some of the people you got with you, man. Who is this guy right here, man? This guy right here, man, come on, say your name or something, bro, who, what's, give me a name. W-S-S-H-O-S-C-H, double over, W-S-S-H-O-D-D, man. Okay, okay. So how long you been in the game rapping?  I'm finna rap, I'm finna rap. You finna start? All right, you like Blake, you like lil' Blake, you finna rap. You gon' do it. Nah, nah, nah. Look, look, my, come on. Speaking to the mic, speaking to the mic.  Oh yeah? I'm gonna tell my rapper Farid, I'm gonna take it serious. You gon' take it serious? Yeah, I'm gonna be like that, listen to me, I'm gonna take it serious. You're all taking it serious, yeah. All right, look, I want you to know them two right here, these two, the artists. Wait a minute, come on, come on, come on.  Let them pop, okay. Lucy, Trap Boys Z, man.  Yeah, man. Oh yeah, Trap Boys Z.  So, how long you been gettin' at it? Yeah, really, probably like nine, 10 months, really. Like, I dropped like three songs. Really fucking, can we put some music on this bitch? Yeah, y'all know who they gon' get my stuff flagged. Nah, we gon' perform in these motherfuckers. Oh, for real? Yeah, but that's what I brought with me. I didn't have to say that. Come on, let's do it. Don't you just even beat me? Let's do it, what y'all know?  I don't say that, I don't say that. I'ma send them my song. And drop it. I'ma send them my song. Send me a song that we got to do.  Both of us, we both on that one, send it.  Send it to me. Send text it to this phone.   Air drop it, air drop it to this phone. Bet.  Yeah, come on, we gon' do that new bit. Huh? What's on your mind?   Which one? Y'all better get it together, nigga, go on down. What's the name of this bit, what we name it? Top of the hill. Top of the hill. For the top of the hill. Check it, man. Yeah, it's your boy, E.C.O., man. I'm here with my guys, man. Can it be a crew, nigga? Stop it.  For sure. Big top, big peasy.  Huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah, nigga, play. He dead, he bleedin'. We got the clock, no safety. First nigga reach for my chain, then he gon' need it. Cause I'ma send him to Jesus.  Then we'll be smokin' the house. We gon' give him a halo walkin' the bit like Roddy.  You know I'ma pop it. I ain't doin' none of that boxin'. These niggas copy, they watchin' the peasy. They copy, they wanna be like me. I walk with a mop, I'ma drill in them motherfuckin' beats. We from the top of the hill, from the top of the hill, from the top of the hill. I ain't from the top of the hill, but I keep me a stick, nigga.   I love my chopper, I love when it kicks.  Me and Mad Max seen him and skin him as big. Chopping his gang, got a little boy kid.  I slung the line for, I made me a diss. They swung on their block, had them piss. I rockin' ice like JJ Vince. I put it in the strawberry bris.  Thought it would be like a foot nigga land on the ground, he hit.  I ain't big pump, nigga.  I be ridin' in the verse. Nigga out of Uzi, I'm pumpin' it, big makin' skirt. Chottin' too loud, I ain't glockin' at work. Nigga play tough and get put on the shirt.   Your nigga put on the sleeve, like Tylenol. Sit down, be dead.   I had to get with myself, I ain't need me no help. Rent to the church, I like Iroh, yeah. Post on the block and I buy like I'm podcast. I said he a step, but stop it. Now it off, up and down like a basketball. I feel it, can't it for the eye, for the eye. Can't it be for the eye, could they bro? And I put in that time, my time, my time, my time, my time. I'm sellin' it, all the black undercoat. Arms to sellin' that seat that you put in the coat. Delene, Delene, like my friend, I say, can it be dope? What they say, keep me at catch on the knock, I've it sold on the set.  I what we got, nigga know that the members they show up at the shows, huh. Nigga know that the members they show up at the shows. Check it man. From the top, they just introducing big top though to the host, Lil Kev. Yeah, yeah, so what made y'all do that song right there? Let's talk about that for a second before we go to the next one. She just been just knowin' how to rap really just, you know what I'm sayin'? Matter of fact, I'ma let him talk, I'ma let him do that shit, see what I'm sayin'? For every week. He really just called me, came over to the house. I called the studio man, I freestyle the verse, he get on there, we made the song.   Yeah, I had made a few songs before that though. But then it's my partner, he like, you wanna rap, I'm like, here you go.   I mean, you need a manager, nigga? I'm a manager, nigga, you want.  I ain't need a manager. I ain't got a manager, nigga, I'm a manager, nigga, we to the top, nigga. Hey, now for real, now for real, tell him though, hey look, be for real, so he ain't hard. Yeah, he hard, come on now. He just needs people behind him, like you can rap, but it's like, you gotta have the image too, though. I be telling you that, man. And then people can tell if you really putting your all into it too, like if you steppin' like that, they gonna respect you because of the way that you respect yourself and your craft. Yeah, they gonna respect me though. Now I'm talkin' my part, the music, I'm talkin' my intimate. I'm talkin' my music too. Hey, now they gonna respect me though. I'm talkin' about my music, though.  Like, when I first started Boss Talk, I was like, oh, these niggas don't think I'm playin', they think I'm playin', then I say, I'm gonna put out a nigga more than everybody. So now I got like 700, almost 600 to 700 episodes out. Yeah, close to 700. And one year, in one year, like nobody does that. Yeah, not for so long. So if you like consistent, they gonna love you. It's gonna be undeniable. Like you just said earlier. Not for so long. So that's, I think that's what it take, man. I think a nigga should be drivin' some, like when you got a crew of people like this, some should become every week visuals and everything. I'll just drop a vid every week. Yeah, every week. He be drippin' though. He be drippin'. Like if I ain't drippin', he drippin'. If he ain't drippin', you see what I'm sayin'? Everybody just be drippin' like time to, yeah. Cause that's what it's gonna take cause everybody lookin' at visuals now, like you gotta happen. Like, think about it, you gotta happen. Hey, if y'all do a song together, who's song is it? I don't. They can't figure that out. The reason why I said though, cause like if you drop a song one week, then he drop a song and he drop a song. If y'all all on that same song, it really wouldn't matter. But it's like, I say to him, if you don't drop that week, he gonna drop that week, but y'all on the same song as us. It's the same song, so it'll be like, hey, play the hoe we got with the woo, something like that.  Yeah, yeah.   Nah. Nah, I know that. It's a lot of little y'all niggas that wanna really rock you. You gonna hear it later. It ain't like that. It ain't even like that, bro. It's like real life, like these niggas do not be wanting to rap. Like none of these niggas don't be wanting to rap. Like, I've been telling him to rap so long, like he finally made a song. These niggas, like I don't, my cousin back there, like these niggas don't want to rap for real. Like, you know what I'm saying? But take a hold. Blake ain't gonna rap, but Blake got a song too though. I don't understand. Blake got a song too, but it's just like, don't nobody like, don't want to go just fool with it. It's just like the rappers like that just be rapping.  All the while, I'm a barrio, Flip, you have no idea what I see consistently doing it. Like, now I guess I'm gonna see y'all. But it's gonna be looking like, Which one of y'all started last? Started like rapper last? Yeah.   No, he gonna blow first, watch. I ain't talking about all that good, but he gonna be a thug when I'm blowin' it.  I be telling- I'm gonna, we finish shooting a video, April 15th? Nah, for sure. Where? Word, what's the concept? In Dallas. In Dallas? Bro, what was that you was in the stove, my nigga? What was you doing on this last video? Why is you in that stove acting like that? That's how I stove. We was thugging. That's how I stove. I don't know how it can be. We was th- yeah.  Cut, no. He was thugging in that damn stove, man. That's y'all stove? Yeah. Yeah. That's how I stove. Y'all is just a damn stove, man. So, just, do you got another song for me? Yeah, Luzi. Luzi, yeah. Let's see, let's see. Let's get in. Get in now. We're just gonna drop it to me. Bro, can you be, let me ask you, I got a bone to pick with you, man, nigga. What happened to you? I said, let's be real, bro. I'm gonna be real for a second. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got D'Roz DeShun, who else, baby? Who else? D'Roz DeShun that we done interviewed, Carl Crawford, Smoothie Poppy, C.C.O.P. Who? D'Roz. D'Roz, who else? All the niggas have paint. All these niggas follow me, my nigga, on Instagram. Why you won't follow me on Instagram, my nigga? You said, I'm following you. No, you don't follow me, bro. I'm trying to understand why all these niggas follow me, like all these blue check niggas following Bostock, E.C.O. And you're messing with me, go under the message. I said, why this little nigga won't follow me? Let me check it out right there. Like everybody follow E, you know what I'm saying? Let me check it out, cause I don't, bro, I said, who else? It was one more nigga did me, like I said, can it be one of them niggas don't like to follow niggas, man? Man, I follow you, bro. Bro, no, you just did it. Niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas. Hey, he ain't lying when you see it. Yeah, he ain't lying when you see it, he said I follow you. Bro, I looked at that, I said, man, and it's one more, my nigga. The nigga be on here all the time, Taylor. I know Flipp and them don't follow you. Flipp don't follow nigga? Flipp, he don't follow him, what Flipp has? I bet that nigga follow me. I bet that nigga follow me. That nigga follow me the day when he came, like he came right after. See today. No, what after? As soon as he came, I said, no, I know, damn, but I didn't tell you that, and I usually tell like, man, make sure you follow me because I'll be posting. Like we just posted a lot of stuff about you and they loved it, a lot of people like. Oh, yeah, they fully interviewed. But I'm telling you that the only thing they, some of them be hating though, that I'm telling them you gotta go ahead, man. Cause at the end of the day, you young, so I don't expect you to know some of the music or deal with some of the niggas that's older like that. I mean, we should be doing that, but that don't happen like that all the time. They always gonna hate. No, that's the part of it. That's part of this game. Yeah, but so. In this game, the haters will make you famous. Criticism, yeah. Like I don't rap until I get mad. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you gotta make me mad for me to rap.  I don't like, like, I don't know.   I'ma just make y'all wait now since y'all wanna talk crazy.    That's my brother. She posted it and put the big captions on there. What did you say on there? The one that went down. The one that a lot of people like, the one went to like what, 60 or 70,000? That's the one about them. Yeah, it just went. Like, yeah, everybody was checking for that one. I'm like, what did he say? What did you say on there? I didn't know what you said. Maybe mixing my words up to sometime.   Yeah, yeah. Oh, surprises his fan. What was that about? It was all about your sister that you said. Oh, yeah, yeah, the Asian shit, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.   You know what I'm talking about?  Am I right? That's a good. It's just like, they be the, not the older butt, though.  Let me hit that patrol, let me hit that patrol nigga. It's not my fault, bro. Hey, look, do what I'm saying, though.   See what I'm saying? Like even if they younger than me, they'll still be like little bro cause they just high young. See what I'm saying?    See what I'm saying? Not just gay, like. See what I'm saying? It is. It's like sweet, it's like sweet. See what I'm saying? It's just like, okay, boom, like this. It's like, I can, I can do something right now.  See what I'm saying?  See what I'm saying? Like if you, how to put it?  I ain't doing that today.  And a nigga walk up on Gucci man and do that. And then Gucci man be like, I ain't fighting. But they gon' look at it like, oh, Gucci man, I ain't finna be doing all that and do it, see what I'm saying?  See what I'm saying? Just different pass for different niggas. Like everybody get a different little woo-woo. Yeah, like, like, I be, like, like when I see you man, I'm, I know already the talent is there. I just be waiting on the next thing you gon' do to be honest with you. Nah, for sure. Like, like when I look at Fort Worth and I look at just the people that are coming out of that area, it's a lot of talent over there. I ain't for to play with y'all. Nah, for sure. I mean, but it's like Dallas and Fort Worth, it's like, man, where's this big hit? I know it's supposed to be coming. It's gonna be some big company.  So I be like, man, where is our, where is our respect? You know, where is our hit coming from? It really just, it really just with us Fort Worth rappers, it just like our head, I always get too big at the same point of our career. Like, soon as we start getting like to a certain point a motherfucker start thinking like, oh yeah, I'm her. See what I'm saying? So it's just like, we don't never go to the next level or try to be a rapper. It's just like, like how I thought about it. It just like, okay, boom, I signed the deal. I'm a rapper. Everybody know I'm a rapper. So I'm finna be where I be rapping about. See what I'm saying? Like I rap about Barry block and that's what I'm finna be every day. Like I was one of the rappers in the city where like you can pull up to where I say I be and I'm gonna be right there. Like you can pull up to that stove and you can be like, oh, can he be right? Like, see what I'm saying?   Like it just like I was too, what's the word? Not noticeable, not touchable.  Like what's the word? I was too like, they could talk to me. They could touch me. They can, they could do all that. So they wouldn't really listen to my music, see what I'm saying? Or if they was listening to my music there just pull up to the stove listening to it. And then like just to show me that they listening to it, see what I'm saying? So it's just like a lot of people didn't take me serious cause it's like, bro, you in the hood every day. See what I'm saying? Like you ain't finna take us nowhere.  But yeah, yeah, but you know, you know it's real when you leave, like we, one thing we know we go to wherever and niggas know you. Like when you leave from Fort Worth and somebody, how often do somebody, some people approach you when you're not in Fort Worth. Like you were like your out of town thing. Everybody know me yet. That's right.  Like that's where I make my money at. That's where I go crazy. Hey, keep it down back there, please. See what I'm saying? So it's just like way back by the door. It's just like everybody know me in different states and different cause I used to travel. Like when I signed, I was in Atlanta. When I was working on my music, I was in Atlanta. When I signed, I was in New York. See what I'm saying?   But my city too, of course, but like people wasn't in my city too. You know a profit without honor is on country, man. People not gonna- What's they on country? A profit is without honor.  Yeah, not for sure. That's anything you do, you know? Even if you open a business, if you go out of town, out of state, people respect you more than when you, where you from.   That's me too. Audience, you don't tell niggas. Like I heard Cameron say something that was real dope. You know, he owned about, he owned 10 or 15 McDonald's, but he say he wouldn't tell nobody he owned them because he don't wanna give them a chance to hate on it.  I ain't just gonna say that's how niggas is.      Cause it's just like they from a different, so I'm saying we ain't beefing with them, we don't got no problem with them, so I'm saying so we can listen to what they talking about.    You either going down or up. Yeah, not for sure. Period. Like nobody just. Relevant or irrelevant. Exactly, so when you do start to go, you can't stop. You got to keep rapping, keep rapping, keep rapping. I think that's why a lot of niggas don't want to do it cause it's too much damn work. Hey, don't make your first song your bit dog, the first hit. Your first, the best song. I make your first song your first hit.  See what I'm saying?     See what I'm saying? It's just like how to put it.  Not even the hook. It's just like this how I used to rap. Like when I was young, I was like 12, 11. I used to write with no beat. I just write the whole song. I used to just flow with the song, boom, boom, boom. And then I go to YouTube and match a beat with it. See what I'm saying? Just put a beat on it or that's why I be saying I'm the remix guy cause I just remix a nigga song and go crazy on it. See what I'm saying?  See what I'm saying?  See what I'm saying?  You know the thing, was you down in South by Southwest? How was it down there? Cause they hadn't been in a while really like just consistently, they said, what they were doing down there to you? Man. Ask them how long we was there? How long was we in South by Southwest? A few hours. No. How long was we in South by Southwest? Probably two. Two hours, one hour? A few hours. One hour for sure. It was cool, but it's like two counts, two counts. Explain it. It's like, bro, it's just like, it's just like me in my city, it's just like, you know, I got problems with everybody in Dallas, I got problems with a lot of people. So me going to South by Southwest is being outside.  See what I'm saying? So it just like, you know the, you know the boy we talked about last time at the airport situation. I ain't even know, you know, LeBrook and Rio were supposed to perform at CHIRS. See what I'm saying? So I met them up there.     But that's the whole game. Like last time we had a guy on here, he was like, man, you can't move and when you move in, you know, niggas out here dying. Like it's serious. Like, so like, like how do we, we gotta, we gotta figure out a way to excel, bro. We can't, you know, we know security game though. Like we don't do security.  Like I know the consequences, but it's just like, I don't do security. See what I'm saying? Cause it's like, I pay you to protect me and you don't know me. So I'm saying like, it can be anything. Like when I'm ready to shoot, I'm ready to shoot. I don't want you to go by the law.  Like just shoot him like, see what I'm saying? I don't want to do nothing. So when I'm ready to do it, I'm ready to do it. I don't want, like I trust my partners and my cousins more than security. So I'm saying like, you might get paid to backdo me. See what I'm saying? Like, like six nine. Like I had security there. Like I don't rock with security. So if I see the opposition with security, it just like, ain't even finna bother you guys. Like you got it on the set. Like I'll catch up with you another time. Cause it's pointless. Like me against security, like they got a badge. I'm going to be behind boys assault on the police officer cause I'm going to assault for sure. Like me, cause I'm going to be the one to do it. So on the set it's going to be like that. I ain't finna ride with no security or no nothing. So you see everybody, you see these industry niggas, you done seen them. I done seen them. So you think in some of them ride with, I seen the ones who ride with their own boys or whatever, but I see the one to be with security. So you think the one that was security, they're at risk. Pussy. Like they're at risk, like something could happen to them. They're coochies, they're pussies. They're like, if you ain't like a big public figure, like if you be talking to your sons and this, that, this, that, and then you got security, yes, set by set with, like that's a red flag to me.   We want to, you see what I'm saying? Like we don't, I don't know. See how you just said it, that she came out of it. You see what I'm saying? Like not bad, it's just like, That she came out of it all the way around. Like you see what I'm saying though? It's just like, bro, come on now. No, do you, do you feel like, Oh, it came out wrong, it came out wrong. It came out wrong. But y'all know how you done done. No, no, I know already what you're coming from, man. So I was just saying earlier, man, like do y'all, how important do you think it is to go to these other cities, man, and just like go to these other clubs out of town and all that to try to get more known? Do you think that's important? Like you still, niggas had to take mixtapes and all that. Now they do it streaming and driving in the air, driving all that. But I'm just saying, do you think it's important to go to other cities, whether it be, I said, Mississippi, niggas laughed at me. YSC and Flip and Blake Laver, but they don't want to go to Mississippi, there's money down there too. But Houston or say Detroit or wherever, do you think it's important to go to other places? Yeah, cause when we was at South by Southwest, I just ran into somebody took a picture with them and they paid me for a feature right there. See what I'm saying? So I go to Houston on Friday and do the video with them. See what I'm saying? So it's just like people from other states tap in and spend money with me. So that's where you're supposed to be like other, see what I'm saying? Like other people cities and states, cause it's just like my biggest marketing is in North Carolina, South Carolina and Atlanta. See what I'm saying? Like then my biggest marketing when coming to buy my music and my fan base. So I just be making sure I just at least tap in with them like one or two times. Okay. Let me ask you this man.  He done dissed everybody on the song. Hell, who all was it? Little baby, who was it? Who was it? Who was it? All of them. What do you, what do you think about that? You know, I got to put your own spot on different questions like that. That's just a part of this. Man, it just like, it just like dirt. That was the whole reason because they were hanging with a little dirt. How to put it like, remember I compared Yeyo and young boy when I was like, oh, there was another interview. I think I compared them to, it just like, I relate to them a lot because it's just like, I got problems with a lot of people. See what I'm saying? From different sides. So it's just like, it's just like, when you play that song, it's just like, everybody in here in the car, we just get out of our bodies and turn up because it's just like, we know, it's just like, you just get a different feeling.  Like, I don't, like, see what I'm saying?  I mean, criticize whatever. It's just like, I'ma do me. See what I'm saying? And it's just like, I respect young niggas that's not scared of nobody. Like, I don't care. Like what your background, who you done deal with? Like, what street credit you got?  Like, I don't care. Like, that's what I, that's what I respect. I don't know about nobody else, but I respect that. Like, he ain't just go at one person or he ain't pick his battles. Like he beefing with them, but everybody know what OTF and O-Block do. Everybody know about them. He ain't scared of them. See what I'm saying? That's what he's saying.  See what I'm saying?   I like it. See what I'm saying? But he ain't outside right now. He on house arrest, ain't he? Yeah. So it's easier to say it now because you ain't out there. Yeah, but it just like, it just like, it just like with that situation, it just like, young boy been on that though. See what I'm saying? Just like, young boy been retarded. He been, on the set, he been going crazy. It just like, y'all know it. I don't know how to put it on the set. Cause when I drop my diss on, everybody was saying eight games in jail at the time I dropped my diss on. See what I'm saying? So it's just like, it'd be different situations.  See what I'm saying? This song gonna last forever. They coming on it, they coming on it. Like it's gonna last forever. You gonna run into it. See what I'm saying? Like I made my diss song a long, long time ago and I still see people and gotta protect myself or do whatever. See what I'm saying? So it's just like, you gonna see them. It ain't, it ain't no time limit or nothing. Gucci clapped back real fast and come out. Bootsy did too. Bootsy clapped back these niggas. They come back. I mean, how did you feel like the comeback was? I don't know them niggas for real. Like, I'm gonna just say, I don't know them niggas bro on the set. I just be like, seeing the set. And I'll be like, oh, he dead there. I guess. Oh no, on the set. It's not real.  You feel like it's fake? What? When Gucci, diss on? I ain't gonna lie though. Gucci, Bootsy, you just gotta, you gotta respect who they stand on business. Everybody know that. The world know that. And they not even from it, they stand on business. They gotta hear from Flo they all the niggas, so I'm right. But from they pass when they were around that age, they stand on business. So I mean, they ain't. Yeah, they didn't put that work in. Exactly. So you can't talk to them. You know, all I know is, man, these niggas is talking a lot, man, on these songs and getting on these microphones, man. And like he said, one day they gonna bump into each other.  Cause I bump into my, I'm like. He be talking about God Missy. God Missy. Bro, God is Missy to me. I'm God is Missy. You can't explain that, bro. Bro, he Missy, bro.  That's crazy. Bro, everybody else can live free. Like me, I'm going to run into a op.  Soon as I go, it just like, I'm gonna see the main person. I don't like, I be like, this man Missy is here. Like he know what he doing. Cause everywhere I go with you, like I see somebody. The mall, wherever it's like, I see somebody. It's just like, damn. See what I'm saying?  You don't think it's you then? No. It gotta be you. Cause everywhere you go, you see somebody. You see somebody.  Let me be outside and do me. See what I'm saying? Y'all be in the house while I'm outside. Switch it out. Let me ask you something. Can you be something? If you not gonna let us, I mean, have you out, you don't let them make it. I mean, you know for just, you not letting nobody make it. Why? Y'all see it? I don't let nobody make it cause they don't let me make it on Instagram. So I let them make it in real life. Bro, you can't beat the internet. You know this. I can beat them though.   That internet though, people get on that cause you can be strong when there ain't nobody, if you in a safe place. Yeah. Am I right? Like that's when people really talk the most. Like when somebody make a new phone. That's when they get brave.  That's when they get the bravest.  After you do all that on the internet, when you see me, you gotta stand on it. You don't got it. That's what the problem come in though. Yeah. That's what the problem come in.  They want to run and talk and then when you see them, it's like nothing. They don't want to lie back. Yeah, yeah. So, let me ask you, who else, I thought the other little nigga was going to say to me, what's up? The nigga left. That nigga left. That nigga gone. He ain't dropped the T. No, he ain't. That nigga left. He gone, my nigga. Nah, he out though. He out, man. Oh, he coming back. He's too small. Nah, for sure. But no, man. So, when did these projects go come out though? Y'all better, I want to see some, I want to see some visuals, bro.  And y'all bring me a shirt, though.  Yeah, man, I'm trying to get something made. I just got these little quick shirts. I mean, quick hoodies, cause we were coming up here. See what I'm saying? I gotta give me one up, man. I got a rep. Nigga, I would have rep with y'all. Nigga, I don't hold nigga. I rep from the old school, nigga. From Washington. Oh, here we go. Blake, come on, Blake. Come on. Y'all rep at Marshall? Yeah, yeah, I rep East Texas for sure. But at the end of the day, I definitely, I've been up here alone and you've been alive. Yeah. Now, at the end of the day, I've been in the hood too long, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What part of Marshall you found? Nah, there ain't no parts, man. It is one thing. You gotta realize, when you say Marshall, I'm not from Marshall. Out the whole East Texas, man, and from Texas, kind of the Nacodotas, it's about two and a half hour drive across that whole. So you gotta be tapped in to East cities. It's just like moving anywhere else. You got all these people, man. So it's just like, it's a lot of people in a lot of area to cover. That's why so many different rappers down there, now there's internet that made it even more difficult. You got people down there that's going like, if I really be honest with you, C.C.O.P. down there, his song, Tampa, blew up and did over like 14, 15 million. He brought a gold record up here. And he from the country. So it's like in Tampa, Miami was where it took off at. It didn't even take a heat from down in the woods. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It took off from Miami. And he was supposed to do a show in Tampa and never did it. Never did it. So like you can go crazy no matter where you at, but the work ethic, like you was telling him earlier is important.  I got a group of people like, you got two folk, you got all y'all niggas, man. It's a whole clique, bro. I'm not for sale. Somebody gonna go. Somebody like so. Can it be? You gonna make sure of that right? I'm putting my money on Rio for sure. For sure? For sure. Like with my eye closed, turn around. For sure. For sure. I'm betting the whole bank on it. Nah, for sure. For real? They all keep saying that. Everybody's saying that. Nah, Rio different. He coming tomorrow. I'm for to see it.  I'm saying my wife look like Tommy Alpha Pell. Yeah. I don't know how to say it. I say this man here. Boy, y'all niggas really rock with him. Sometimes I love him. Bro, the nigga ain't gonna play with him. Nobody in too far. Y'all know, y'all both said the same thing, so I know it's real. Yeah, not for sale. Man, so where my boy gonna, he ain't gonna add drop me a nudge, my nigga. I hate him, though.  Nigga, hating on him. She gonna let me spoke on Tim in the sand. Hey, what he do? What he do, talk.  They ride for a man, man.  Huh? Yo. Thank you, nice to meet you. Go.  Hey, we do them dirty, we hit them with 60. 30, 30 in boats with a blik. He's me and the DB, like, call me in shake. Pop up and leave them wherever he at. We do not be phonin' that.  Phone him gon' leave with that stretch. She got her drop on the off, but I know we on that. And they know that a young nigga, stop down, from the wreck. But I'm all up in Fruxtown, pushing back, saying, thanks, no, I got that. I know she got that ass, so they drop that.  Like a kid in the car, make him sit back.    They ride for a man, man. They ride for a man, man. They ride for a man, man. They ride for a man, man.     That's what they say every time The newest one is the hardest one Yeah Okay Where y'all going?  Ooh Nah, who we got coming? Who coming tomorrow?  Hit that Why didn't you tell me? See what I'm saying?  We gotta get these people in here, man You gotta watch it That white came back hard like this he like Last time he went to jail when he left here. Yeah, and I was hitting this girl I'm calling you. I called you a lot and she was like Oh God, I said what do you need when I start asking like yeah, how we gonna get him out?   Yeah, we gotta put on stage with a with the missus. Yeah, we're gonna set it up I'm a DM. Okay Oh There's a comedian Every week every week every week on them folk.   I'm being real I always think about that because You too, like I said that 50 grand it'd be going to somebody else hand for your work Yeah, not for sure. So don't get too caught up on that.  Yeah, give them something. That's all I'm saying Don't just leave don't don't just drop it on everybody else. I'm not hating. I'm just saying that I don't need to be like Let them drop on mine. No, they need to do their own. Yeah, come up that money to be going to y'all family and stuff Yeah, not for sure. And that's what it was on.  Yeah Yeah, this last interview he did was on here man. So I ain't never gonna forget that. That's why it's so real with me Like I ain't never forgetting that God gave me y'all and that's what we're doing. Yeah, not for sure For real man. So man, thank you for coming on the show man. How can people get it? I'm gonna have to say this is a part of this show How can people get a hold of all y'all when they trying to like how can I follow you on instagram? Matter of fact, we tapping in I'm following y'all. So we gonna do this today But but how can people get a hold to you? Trap boy, uh, da z two eyes on instead of why what about you? man, how'd you know? matter of fact I'm coming your way What's up, baby you up next Let's do it with two k's and we already know what give us yours Nah, it's ncg kidney be on the school. Younger. Would you like a different name? I think you did on there? I'm the prince of drill.  So we're gonna we're gonna do something again tomorrow, too So when when when uh, you call him something else. I call him Mario. You don't name them real I don't know what's going on.  Say man, we love y'all man Y'all family when y'all in the area, you know to highlight me if y'all got something going over there I'll pull up. I'll pull up. I would have came to Austin, but I'm like now they go Everybody's looking for us, too.   I don't like come on man. I'm dope over here be But you know, I'm gonna show you somewhere the one I did with little kiki. Why you don't see wherever I go It's dope. Yeah, we get out So check it man. Hey man, it's your boy e ceo man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 what a bosses talk gang


We'll come back to the power talk show with me Dominique after that short break we're back now we're going to be having questions from the audience about the topic that we're having today university life, sex, power, money and all that the conversation that we'll be having with Ken Munoz as psychologist, clinical psychologist, organization psychologist and consultant so now I'm going to go to the audience who are going to ask questions just say your name and the university you're from and ask your question Hi, Lina Bala from Cooperative University of Kenya Hold up the mic a little bit From Cooperative University of Kenya, so I have a question, Ken, while you are talking you talked of ladies from the university dating men from corporate world as in the outside world, not boys within the university then boys within the university going for girls either down or up so in your statement I don't know whether I was the one who had a poor understanding or it was just okay do you mean that ladies from the university should date men from the university Okay, good question, thank you. Kwa kwa kwa, thank you very much Pass the mic, we've got another second question, go My name is Ami Singota, Cooperative University My question is not, okay it's a question, yes I think it's becoming a cliché that every time we are being told that we should abstain yet it is becoming clear that it is a kind of impossible for campus students to abstain so why can't you guys just, I mean sex education, how to be sexually, how to understand our sexual life I mean how to be sexual active, how to prevent Okay, so the main question if I get it they're asking, instead of telling us it's become a cliché from what they say the chill and all that, abstain and be test, tell us how to be sexually active and safe Okay, then the last question, please go ahead I'm Chelsea Jones-Poka from the Cooperative University of Kenya My question is it's obvious in campuses we have lecturers who want ladies body or vice versa so that can get max and our parents at home are expecting you to reach a certain level and if you don't adhere to what the lecturer wants you will definitely fail any advice on that Okay, when I can, you've got your questions and before I give you a chance to respond as so ladies and gentlemen remember we are on DSTV, channel 376 so you can watch Y254 TV the power talk show you can watch so many other programs that we have and there is a post coming up on Facebook Y254 channel go there and comment and if you have questions, opinions, suggestions make them there and I'm going to be reading them out in a bit so Ken, go for the questions First can I say congratulations to the little beautiful girls who are here Yes please do, you are like amazing right? but I wouldn't do that I don't know whether I would allow You would not, you cannot I cannot Thank you, thank you for the encouragement I cannot But it's amazing right? It is very amazing I have a friend of mine, I know he's watching, he's called Anthony he's from Nairobi Ensemble he does this it has taken him places he's gone to many countries some that I only see on the map because of this so this is talent Alright, go for it Thank you ladies for your questions Can I start with the heated one? Sexually active and protecting yourself there is no one who said you must abstain No one actually I tell people it is your body do what you want to do it however choices have consequences you can choose a scene but you will never choose the consequence of that scene Dambi unaeza jichagulia Maadaraya Dambi How is he? So do it today the Catholic in me cannot start telling you it is either you abstain or you use condoms the Catholic in me will say please abstain because it is best for you there are people who come and teach you condom education there are people who come and tell you what you need to do because there is a bad cliche that is there the one of avoiding pregnancy and not diseases and so many of you are taking epils like it is parasitomo or brufen as if you have in cramps so today you don't mind going to have rosex and I don't know whether you saw it I updated in my Facebook but because you have chemistry you have rosex tomorrow biology will stick in you cannot put sentences like that you cannot have rosex then you look at me and say did you see it I mean I was less there for a minute no they are not friends on Facebook I said I don't know whether you saw it but today you go and have rosex because you have chemistry wait until biologist had seen and that guy will use geography on you to run a marathon you use epils and unfortunately and I have to say it unfortunately some of us don't even know what are the repercussions of using epils anomo person and I want any gynaecologist or any doctor watching us or will watch us to come encounter my remarks anomo person cannot use more than one pill in two years anomo person go and ask any medik who cares about you they will tell you that is the truth but today you are being told use pills here there every day and that's why some of us are exponentially growing without your knowledge you are increasing a lot of weight because these are progestron induced and maybe your estrogen was the one that was high at that particular time you ladies you must have this sexual education so I will say this we will teach you how to abstain if you do not want to abstain know with your guy what you are doing because there is a correlation between lack of abstinence and multiple sexual partners so today you are with this guy tomorrow you are with that and you know I don't know who taught university students how to kupimam tu kama kona virusia mahana kumangalia kwa macho so today you go and have sex using protection kusababumu mezaeana the next time akuna protection diseases will start coming in so I will say this my dear Alice you said it's Alice I will say this let yourself make the decision don't go where others are going I have said this on your program and I will repeat it please don't follow the masses blindly sometimes the M is silent you never know where you are going I like that linear you said yes linear I am not in any way insinuating whom you should date because there are also corporate people who want to misuse university coin students and there are also some guys who are not there they are not in corporate maybe they are in university but they don't have a focus of what they want in life however don't look at only one way of dating and say I misuse date hawa niwa toto I will say this expound your catchment areas go to university look at how your peers are behaving go to the corporate look at how people are behaving if you are Muslim go to the mosque if you are Christian go to the church look at how people are behaving and then you will know where are you going to get your partner personally I got in church I cannot tell people go and get in church because I got in church but whoever I got was not in church that is a story for another day by the way yes for sure but you need to be very sure of whom you are getting there are some people in corporate world and they say our university so they know what they are doing there are also some in university I know love that was blended in primary school and it is still there to date love that was blended in high school and others in colleges and it is still there but the question is what are you looking for and when you know what you are looking for you will know whom to attract okay lecturers misbehaving ethically the reason why we ought to have the office of a dean of students yes Dominic congratulations thank you man dean of students the reason why we ought to have the office of the dean of students is to discuss such issues the problem is when the dean doesn't act I will say this with a lot of humility and respect there is a lecturer I refuse to attend their class not because of STDs but everybody who went through that lecturer would come and say you will never pass that unit if you are not from a specific church I said I school that park it's a Pentecostal university for my undergraduate and he would have a lot of problems with people from mainstream catholic, orthodox, presbyterian anglican somebody came and told me Ken if you go to this unit you will not pass I don't know you might understand and I said I'm not going to do hermeneutics using this lecturer because it's not the only lecturer who can teach hermeneutics and I stayed for an entire 2 times without having done hermeneutics I would have even missed my graduation because of that but I told myself let me allow myself not to go through this and become frustrated please don't allow these useless men calling themselves lecturers to come and frustrate your life in university will use you, misuse you and some of these people are carriers of HIV positivity and worse and they want to come and misuse you they don't even give a damn whether you are the size or the age of their daughter if such a thing happens go to the university dean of student if the university dean of student is not ready to listen to you there is a university nowadays it's called the Kenya university placement if such a thing does not happen please shout to the loudest you can you have Dominic here even if you don't luckily for people like me who travel we have connections everywhere I have a very senior senior official who works in your university cooperative university so if it is happening tell me that and I'll do something you call in psychology shared confidentiality I will say what is frustrating you without even disclosing who it is unfortunately maybe it's because I have seen you on air but I am thinking you have not asked this question because it's you who has been affected you have spoken on behalf of millions so if it is happening please tell someone please tell even your parents and the problem we are having in this generation is our parents don't know how to listen and our children don't know how to talk so we do not have that time of communication but create time tell a big brother somewhere tell a big sister somewhere who can be able to assist you you are not the only student who has gone through this lecturer does it mean that everyone has slept with this lecturer no no no no so you can circumvent you can know how to come across and do something and you'll be able to graduate give it up to Ken that's absolutely amazing so there's a few things that came and I just want to make a quick comment on look just because people don't obey the statement don't drink and drive there's still accidents isn't there but we have not reached a point where we tell people just drink a little and drive still don't drink and drive okay so I was just responding to that question see okay at the same time there are many different voices that you'll be told about contraceptives and all that but we are also offering a different voice a voice that says why can't you respect your body to a point where you you know there's a priest who used to tell a newly you know the bread and bread groom at the altar if you have ever slept with her before this movement I want you to know that you have slept with a woman who is unmarried if you have ever slept with him I want you to know that you are willing to sleep with a man who is not your husband now that's a very tricky statement finally when you watch Hollywood sometimes Hollywood will make you feel like sex is a need it's not a need you might feel like you're going to die if you don't have sex but you're not going to die I've never seen an ambulance chasing somebody and saying I'm a magician I like the magician part but I think you are envious of the reason and the reason it's that you are going to die is sex but I have heard that by the time you die you will feel like you're a virgin and you will die but Dominic I'll have to I'll have to say something yes please for the married for the married sex is a basic human need yes for the married Ya, ya. Actually the reason why they live their father and their mother, is not because of love. She cannot love me more than my brother loves me or my sister. Wei, this conversation for another time. God bless you. Please give it up to Ken Munoz, who is people centric and director and consulting psychologist from there. Thank you so much Ken for making time to come to our show. Ladies and gentlemen, we have come to the very end of our show today, the part auction. I'm so grateful to my guest Ken Munoz. I'm very grateful to my audience. Make some noise to yourselves from Cooperative University and I'm very grateful to my two artists today, Tabital and Hari, who is going to close the show for us. Thank you for watching and being part of this conversation. I'm going to see you next Wednesday with another exciting conversation. Hope you'll be watching. Remember we are on DSTV, we have lunch today. 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