direction depending on the engine i suppose um if you hold forward and move through the next direction you will continue walking forward and then if you reset the the uh the joystick for example and then hit left you'll move in that same direction you just aware because now the game is accounted for however some of them you move to the next area then you immediately move backwards because the controls have changed because the camera style has changed so you have to inch it forward first yeah that would be like yeah i call that yeah i'd call that bad because it it will it swaps what you're in like it's not a consistent input um yeah uh and stuff like that is probably what i would be looking to find if i was to make like a full-on critique of this sort of thing but i guess i concede like yeah that's just a non-preferable system for me for now without yeah as i avoid it is my whole point basically yeah it the idea itself i can't come up with any at least at the right now being on the spot any reason why it's objectively bad um i can come up with you know i my own reasons why i don't like it but a lot of it has like like it like the best possibly executed version of the original resonant evil camera and movement system i mean it's just just isn't for me it's not something i like um but you know i i couldn't say it's bad i would wonder what your reasons would be that you would consider exclusively subjective i guess uh i i don't i thought it was what you just said no i i no i i've been talking about consistency and it's you know mechanical execution of it and it's relationship to the controls as a standard no you haven't i i was the one who said that you said that you wouldn't call it uh objectively bad just subjectively i if if it had certain issues i call it typically bad like yeah so i'm curious what your reasons are but i haven't played it enough to know all of its ah in okay so if we rags yeah no i no i i gave my i gave my criteria well why did you disagree with me what i just said is what you just said well you said i you said it was awesome you said i said it was just subjective yeah that's what you said no i my reasons for not liking it are subjective all right now i'm just fucking confused yeah you're running me in circles mate what do you want me to do with this i don't know it it's just i could clarify anything if you need me to so uh is this a characterization of what you've just said your issues with original resident evil control slash camera system are that of your own personal preference and then i said i would be curious to know what those reasons are and how they are exclusively subjective because i'd be like if you were to label reasons and they actually cut out for a little bit uh my reasons are what exclude like i so what i gathered was you have reasons and they are subjective and i was like i'd like to know those reasons and how they are exclusively subjective rather because i would assume you'd relate them to mechanics uh no my subjective no my subjective reasons for not liking it or it's a lack of familiarity with them in that i just i don't like the way that the character moves in relationship to what my inputs are it's i mean if i if i devoted a lot of time to it it's very possible that i could warm up to them immensely do you mean like when you've got your characters moving from let's say the left to the right but holding forward on the d-pad pushes you right is that kind of thing what you're talking about yeah it's it's like if i was playing it yeah it's it's a very unfamiliar set of controls i have very little experience with that i'd have to learn uh that i can't relate to really anything else um that i wouldn't really enjoy playing but that's what that's pretty much why i i didn't enjoy it um but as i said why i didn't uh but if i devoted a lot of time to it and learn the intricacies of it and i learned the in and out so yeah i just learned all the details of it maybe i would come up with objective reasons it depends on what those details are i'm not familiar enough with it to make an objective assessment but yeah that's pretty my position yeah but tentatively i don't see anything objectively wrong with it now and they like conceptually my objective issues with it would come from the the the details and its execution um yeah well the example i gave was obviously the uh it was dependent on the system because like it might not be present in some it is in others and i know that i've experienced it um i think it's conceptually totally fine but the its execution would determine its objective quality yeah because there's gonna be people who are really really good at it yeah like there's nothing objectively wrong with a game and it's the only game where the green a button is actually canceling back and the red b button is accept and yes it's not objectively bad it's just i see why a lot of people would hate that and why that would seemingly almost specifically be created to frustrate people yeah no i line up i line up with that completely and that was the only reference i have off the top of my head and if i was to play more of it i might be able to find more but no guarantees so rags doesn't like re tank controls because he has played games with better input controls he hasn't had to put so much effort into no like the resident evil tank controls they're not like some alien creature from another planet you just can't strafe yeah i guess that's why i would be curious to ask of the people who dislike it i'd be like is it the fact that you can't shoot and move at the same time yeah is that it you just can't strafe left and right that like that that's basically the only difference that it has with other things you turn left and right you rotate left and right you can move forwards and back you have a dedicated about face function you just can't strafe left and right that that's it it's not like some weird foreign alien creature you discovered under a rock and beetle juice or whatever like it's not it's not far from what you're you use all the time you just can't stray that's it okay i got nothing for this um well because i do i do find the conversation interesting because i think i'm um i'm an extremist in the so for example i think i've told you guys before but a friend of mine was incredible metroid hunters on ds right that's what it was metroid hunters yeah metroid hunters yeah he um yeah so he knew exactly and was really good at the ds controls and he would dominate in like matches against anybody and it's just the kind of thing we are like god i can't fucking stand those controls and he's like oh yeah i bet i could beat you while you're on mouse and keyboard it's like hmm first of all that that's a whole other conversation but secondly like does that not highlight like if everybody just liked ds controls does that then mean that mouse and keyboard sucks or something it's like not really it's just yeah like there's it's complicated right because apex legends right now where and i would legitimately call it an issue that needs to be resolved i haven't played that game in a couple weeks um but there's cross play between mouse and keyboard users and uh controller controller and one of the big issues is that the aim assist is so incredibly strong for the controller users that a lot of people are just swapping to that because up close especially where a lot of fights are won and lost um the the aim assist is so good and snapping on targets is so good that it doesn't matter if you can't if you're inferior in all other situations that snapping and auto aim is so fucking good that you just want to have the controller to do the work for you because it's so efficient i wonder if that's like i've had a lot of players that i've been playing with for a long time who are really good like i play with a good bunch of guys i'm pretty darn good myself but they'll be they just like straight up have dropped mouse and keyboard and are playing on controller now just because the aim assist is so crazy good let's say that's that's relevant in that context but like that would be irrelevant ultimately uh ultimately of like the actual control scheme rather it's just a variable it's applied to it like mouse and keyboard could have auto aim right but yeah it could but i might yeah is it is that a considered a part of control scheme um in the same way like southpaw is a not the guy that orientates like for halo you could have southpaw is an option for controls like lefties or whatever or you could have like bump is melee instead of x things with your um what was your point there that like even controller can outplay pc if the right things are applied to the thing well it's it's is a is the software aspect a part of the control scheme i'm not sure because i guess my brain right now wants to separate the input of moving stick left you move left versus software applied where you will automatically be pushed to all the person's head and you just have to you know shoot is different and the um this is something that could apply to all of those schemes rather than the schemes themselves being applied so like you know spin ball around cup three times to move left is uh versus press w to move left on keyboard versus hit control stick left to move left they're like the comparisons and then automatically move left based on or automatically complete game based on moving anything and either of those control schemes is like software versus uh i'm not sure what the words i'm looking for i just seem it feels like there's a distinction there maybe and that um aim assist like because imagine they said okay just to solve the problem of aim assist with controllers beating out mouse and keyboard more consistently we will now apply aim assist to pc as well and that all mouse and keyboards will automatically would you here's a question um do you think that like magnetism and aim assist are the same or that there's a distinction between the two um they i think it's uh i think it's a distinction without much of a difference uh they're both different ways to accomplish the same thing well i guess it's interesting right because like for instance call of duty has hardcore aim assist like on consoles where like the the camera starts to slow down over the enemy but then you have oh yeah five where it's straight up the bullets if you miss will fly towards the enemy's head um you know system like that where there is a difference there is a difference that is almost without a difference yeah it's basically there are two different ways of executing the same goal which is how do we get people to how do we treat people into thinking they're better than they are yeah pretty much it's how do we make this control scheme just so much more forgiving it makes people want to play it more because it makes them think that they're better than they really are well it's funny it was in that halo five vidoc we trick people well they didn't say trick but make people think that they're awesome it's like that they're not though yeah they're clearly missing but we're just going to curve the but it's like do do you want to tamper with the character's aim or do you want to tamper with the bullets once they're fired i mean it's yeah you know at what stage is your tampering happening yeah also someone said beetle juice mixing your genres there rags no beetle juice is a star beetle juice is a star yeah yeah it's a giant red giant that's right i think so it may have already exploded and we just don't know it yet yeah um i hear it i yeah so i i heard that when beetle juice which is relative it's it's due to explode it's about 600 million light years away but uh it's like 600 million light years away but i heard one of them does explode no that's 600 oh 600 600 million would be in a different solar in a different like that's so far away that's so far away i just didn't know who was going but the uh when it explodes it will be brighter than the full moon for over a month yeah it'll be uh it'll be because i think the last time there was a massive supernova that was visible from earth was in the middle ages people thought the end was there you know what i mean wow supernovas aren't that common most of the red dwarfs um i mean yeah the time the time span of a it's like why it's like when you go outside you hardly see any woman who's pregnant right but all these people had to come from somewhere so how come i never see a pregnant woman like well there are times you know time frames basically there there's your analogy folks yeah supernovas are like pregnant women they're around supernovas are like pregnant women yeah i feel like father gash jone isn't as good when he's in the second stage cast going so that's a thing i'll be right back also he has three stages uh does he yeah so which stage are you referring to his facts he killed me when he's a giant monster dude yeah that's his third phase and i i can understand being frustrated with that one yeah well he just killed me pretty quickly i was having also hides to the people watching my stream it's been like 40 minutes i haven't seen well now i saw somebody before apparently there was simpson's quote she meant to be asking me i think we've tangented more in this one than like anything ever just because yeah there's a thing we all have big video game backgrounds we like talking mechanics and not just actually this is what you pay for guys all right yeah well it's just funny because like the whole goal is to catch up on super chastity i think we have probably got the same amount to go through now that we got through so but i know that's what happens um and you never know because any questions could be anything so the first of this simpson's set is fringy's hot take is that old simpson's episodes are funny oh i i mean i i don't even know what to say to that like you're just kind of categorically wrong if you think the old stuff isn't funny like i actually don't know what to say to you um yeah especially if they're including just classic era rather than season one or something no not yeah season one you know i'm happy to exclude that but like seasons two through eight i think is what we all agree is like the best stuff and yeah that stuff is incredible the amount of jokes they cram in for like the amount of time they have is kind of incredible like um i remember we watched that that clip where it was um but uh sabotage the weather balloon so it said um what did it say on skinner i'm a big but yeah and then the jokes with the the air force pilots the idea is like did you laugh at big but skinner and you could be like no i didn't it's like okay did you laugh at skinner suggesting to children that you should use this like kind of vandalism in order to protect his ego did you laugh at that you know no i didn't like did you laugh at rocks in his car i'm gonna go through them all so it's like if you didn't laugh at that do you laugh at the rocks landing on his car it's like no i didn't like did you laugh at the fact that he said whoa that's my car stop and then they continue to throw them knowing that it's his car do you laugh at that it's like no like did you laugh at the skinner where he ordered willy to pull out a shotgun and shoot it down did you laugh at the fact that willy just had a shotgun on school grounds to shoot down did you laugh at the fact that two fighter jets were flying overhead we're getting shot at and when they scanned they found out that groundskeeper willy was an iraqi fighter jet and like did you laugh whether or not like you know eventually just be like we've crossed over about 30 seconds of episode time like this is incredible work and and all character based as well so and then you know i hate to be a dick but it's just like compared to bojack like the jokes per minute is an incredible rate and so i guess what i'm saying is um whether or not you're laughing at any particular one is almost likely going to be at least one that's tailor made to you in terms of like oh that's just funny just the fact that they're shotgunnings i keep saying shotgunning shotgunning is slow that they're just machine gunning you know like in wonder woman 1984 how they fire a machine gun and one bullet comes out they're doing it like that machine gunning those why the fact that she caught a bullet out of the sky with a lasso she's telling you guys get hype for efat movies double feature yeah fun so what what was the rest of the stuff with the simpson's jokes then all right well so that was the opener the next was um what is your favorite either simpson episode or simpson joke or simpson moment dude that's i don't know what i default to is the um the i don't know if it was 20 something mini stories in one episode of simpson's yeah that was pretty fantastic then uh lisa ron ice is another one of my favorite ones as well lisa ron ice the ending it's all it's all great the whole episode's great if all right pi i'm gonna walk towards you let's do it this um um um and get in it's your own fault um um um oh oh oh the hell i love the idea that he was an actual pain he did play it up still but he's like you know what no one's around there's a pie i mean the pie like that's an excellent episode i have the doom state i just love the the fact that he's like hey homer if you if you want to kill someone on your way out that would really help me a lot nice pj simpson did your mommy buy him for you of course he did who else would have all right simpson you win this he's like he's like good battle and boss just confused what what are you i think the hard part when it comes to figure out which simpson's episodes are like the best is partly because there's a balancing act between the ones i found the funniest and the ones that got me most in the fields yeah this is a good chance my favorite moment is probably going to be drama rather than comedy it was a good chance i think my favorite moment in the simpson's is when homer's mom leaves and he's sitting on the car looking at the the sky like every time every single time that gets me um i kind of adore that that scene um and everything is like firing on 11 in terms you know like the music just the the imagery it's pretty powerful that homer simpson's been sitting there for so long thinking this doofus like you know because homer i think that's one of the key things that separates uh the simpson from family guys like regardless of your perspective on the humor which obviously the simpson is better um regardless of your perspective on the humor like family guy doesn't often have like i i feel like i feel like the best episode of family guy is the one where um it's that episode it's like 45 minute long episode where it's stewie and uh the bottle episode where stewie and brian are sitting in the uh in the the storage locker and then they have the conversation about how they're basically each other's best friend it's like that's the best scene in the show but to get there you have to step through a lot of jokes that don't really land like the poop one um and that's like it but in terms of the characterization i mean peter griffin is awful like he's a really bad person i don't believe that he actually cares about his family where it's like he's homer simpson absolutely does well which leads in nicely like i think like genuinely the moment i always come back to his is do it for her it's the classic like the homer simpson gave up his dream job an arguably dream life so that he could give maggie a good upbringing it's like damn yeah i mean the homer and maggie relationship is uh quite well fleshed out yeah maggie's pretty awesome um maggie's a character for a baby who doesn't say anything yeah unlike other babies you don't say unlike other babies yeah or even unlike babies who say a lot but all of them are better than fucking ice age baby fuck ice age why do you hate ice age baby fuck ice age baby no i know but why fuck him yeah actually why i don't like the ice age baby annoying noises oh it's a baby i didn't know you hate ice age baby i have decided at this moment god i really hate ice age revelation somebody said i'm not powering at all yeah is this this is what it's going to be tomorrow just hey you're playing the souls games wrong every time your people can't just leave me alone let me play this game how i right that's like a double edged sword of well probably not a double edged sword is not the right to him but just at one moment i'm like fuck all of them for not letting someone just play a game learn of the second moment it's like why wouldn't they be saying stuff when they're invested in the game and the player like of course they're gonna say stuff and they're gonna say that stuff like i mean i've been getting it all night but to be honest with you it's like it's it's fine i don't mind being bad at blood blowing uh i lost all my white and are my blood vials but yeah what was your your commentary on fringy and mollers gameplay could be constructive i don't feel like i don't feel like i've died a lot every critical comment that you make like every piece of friendly advice you give has the implicit well implication that something could be improved so you don't have to say that part wow rags is telling you guys to be nice that's where we're at chat that's where we're at be nice to moller and fringy all right yeah i know you don't say that shit for me so at least be nice to him punished rags punished rags you're gonna set up without a bit of motion yeah and then you gotta walk through your base killing all the other shibu yeah i would argue i've made significant progress considering my apparent terribleness at this game maybe that's evidence that i found a way to be able to beat the game that isn't necessarily great design not implying anything by saying that okay oh my goodness no i'm getting stuff but what was the rest of the the chat because i like oh well so we i guess we went over our favorite moments oh jesus christ that was definitely my fault i didn't look at my health box i have very little experience with simpsons i haven't watched much of it but i remember when i was young it probably won't be funny at all but when i was young one part that made me laugh my ass off because i wasn't allowed to watch simpsons when i was a kid um was homer was at work and he was describing a movie he saw he said i saw this movie he's not gonna co-work i saw this movie last night you know it's about i already know what this is yeah it was about this bus and is this guy's driving this bus and you know they had to stay you know driving down the highway and they had to stay about 50 miles an hour and if they didn't then the bus would blow up because of these bombs because i can't remember what was called i think it was called the bus that couldn't slow down yep that's it funniest damn thing i think i'd ever heard of my life up to that point he even the best thing about it is how relatable it is he got the detail right i'm pretty sure which is that um it had to keep the speed above 50 and if it speed dropped it would explode i think it was called like he's like he's got the the premise right and even the name right is that him speed is that the x files episode um maybe the x files episode oh i love that part where it was like i bring you love oh he's frigging love kill it yeah look it's bringing love don't let it get away break its legs oh you bastard birds kill it yeah uh rags the they think an alien is in the forest and it's saying weird things because it's mr birds but he's high and he says um i bring you love other than like the reaction should obviously be like oh how wholesome it is like break its legs don't let it get away it's bringing love that joke it's one of the many rung and gags of most illegal activities yeah like fbi huh hold on and then there's a whale there all right that runs to us get him back to sea world at the end of the episode they're carrying the whale oh god who knew whales were so heavy oh jeez i know i've talked to free about this in private calls so pretend that wipe your memory for me okay so there's this joke where um home is having trouble with i think it's marital problems with marge it's not really relevant mo suddenly gives incredibly meaningful advice rags the kind that you're like wow that's that's like that's probably gonna be perfect for the situation and they're like what have you done with the real moe and then they all laugh and the camera pads to the back of the tavern and moe is tied up going it's just this joke that's never play off an old joke it's it's never addressed this is like what the funny thing that's just evil moe i just i've never had so many good jokes with moe um like oh what was the the one where he was doing the taxi driver scene it's like talking to me there's no one else here you must be talking to me he pulls his gun out the smash yeah well that was an antique crap trap if you haven't gathered me and fringy have uh simpsons embedded into our memory yeah the simpsons is probably i feel like if i had to pick a favorite show that was like i feel like comedy and drama at this point i do have to separate but like comedy it probably is the simpsons i think for a long time i said south park well it gets the the accolade for both of us of formative that's the show we were probably watching as early as i remember absolutely it was like the show that made me like media i think and it also happens to be a show that's really fucking good i think that's the interesting thing is like we've had the fortune of growing up at a time when a lot of good stuff was coming out i mean like you look at cartoon networks output in the late 90s and the early 2000s there was a lot of good stuff there like um johnny bravo um pow puff girls was really good um dexter's lab at ed nitty i love ed ed nitty yeah it's just some really good stuff um there's a nice safe time where content was trying to make you laugh and enjoy it rather than punish you for existing reliably good um and now it's uh yeah code name kids next door i liked a lot too um it's probably good that you brought it up the whole like drama and comedy are kind of just their own things uh because i'd probably say my favorite show if it's just based on comedy it's old but hogan's heroes is pretty funny there's my jams i love funny as well actually i always liked that show more than bewitched bewitched was a little too um flat i think it was too mundane and normal whereas like i dream of genie kind of embraced uh a little bit more like it was a little bit more forward i think for the time of the old ones i'd say hogan's heroes gilligan's island and green acres oh sandford and sun was fucking hilarious was that that was based on steppard and sun right the british show though maybe i don't know i'm not familiar with it but it's very yeah obviously was another pretty important show too for me which sorry even moving up a little bit you have um like a married with children see i'm not as big of a fan of because really like the main 90s sitcom i like is seinfeld i often have to get into arguments with people because a lot of people think seinfeld's stupid and it's not i never saw the one i saw of that equivalent i guess would be friends i was never a fan of friends i would have never been a fan of it but i saw a lot of it like i don't i don't even know that i would say it's bad or anything i just you know it was that was the slot it filled if if you will because obviously that was for another time i was watching buffy and angels well but they don't really they don't slot the same way as a seinfeld or a friends well i think seinfeld as a kid it's easy for it to all become noise because the the episodes themselves like it's a show about nothing like that so it's really easy to lose track of like that what that show is but obviously when you watch as an adult it's like seinfeld is just really good and i've been up to get into arguments with people about trying to explain why i think that show is really funny um but i haven't watched all of it so like it's not it's not super high on my list of you know like favorite things ever yeah oh everyone everybody loves raymond oh i watched the shit out of that yeah i love that show everyone loves raymond he's fucking hilarious his dad was like my favorite character it's fucking hilarious i respect mash could be good mash is probably good but every time i feel like mash made me laugh they were ready to make me feel like he did do you remember um bringing community where two of the characters are arguing over classic comedic shows from britain and america and i think abed says mash and then uh fuck i forgot his name that's bad the john oliva's character all right john oliva i can't remember his name either well he says faulty towers gave over faulty towers is fucking amazing by the way yeah faulty towers is probably one of the best comedies ever made um and i i guess we gotta mention money pythons flying circus yeah and i'd want to probably mention black out of black out of specifically black out of what's man yeah i think i think season two is pretty good i think season three is great i think season four is fabulous season four is fucking great black out or someone brought it up in chat i can't believe i had mentioned it before golden girls i never watched that oh it's great golden girls is good shit what's the premise of golden girls all i know is it's old women living together and it's hilarious because they're all so different you know they all they the three of them have distinct personalities whoa i'm not saying that to make fun of you i'm saying like calm down three women yeah three women each distinct personalities and you know it is well developed characters it's someone said rags is cashing in on this game of course rags likes the grandmas dude that's just hilarious it was really really funny that i'm a lot of these shows were all mentioning i'm pretty sure they all have really strong baseline characters that drive them as well i think black out of ghost fourth is a good example like black out or is this cynical sort of a dry humor pessimist and it reflects in a lot of like the right approaches the episode right it's trying to get out of doing these things that will get him killed yeah the format start like like solidified in season two and it went forward it's just you have the hierarchy is he's usually underneath somebody who's stupid but of high power um each of the three two three and four are different rulers but they're all fucking stupid and he's trying his best to evade yeah them essentially getting him killed all the hardest jobs of that time period and then bold rick is like his his you know underling of whatever type of the time period and then Hugh Laurie is usually in it at some point yeah and um yeah man some of the fucking jokes in black out of all things i'll never forget yeah the the what was it oh um what was the what's the the secret plan should i guess that the secret plan is that we charge the enemy walking slowly it's like black out how do you know that that's classified information yeah oh we did before and 17 times before that exactly and that's what's so brilliant about it it will catch the watchful hunt completely off guard doing exactly the same thing we've done 17 times before is the last thing they'd expect this time and his sort of underling is called darling captain darling until they're like what do you want darling it just fucking works every single time is kind of amazing there is one small problem that we all die before we get there yes and then what was it he said like um you want me to go into the middle of no man's land drawing pictures precisely good man well uh i'm afraid it will be pitch dark i won't be able to see a thing indeed that's true you know what we'll send up a couple of plans you'll be like a tree what is what is standard procedure when you uh when you found that you stepped on a bind and he says well you uh you launch yourself several meters into the air and separate yourself into a thousand different pieces like i just love the fact that the audience that took them a second to realize how stupid what is standard procedure when you step on a mind yeah it's like a five second pause on hey if if what you trip on a mind what should we do and it's like the audience is like wait what the what wait what like what are you saying um i just love the fact that what was it that they said like um it says mine i guess this belongs to the guy who made the map do you remember um one of the opening jokes for a blackout episode was bold rick is is carving up on a bullet and blackadder is like what are you doing and he's like um oh he says like do you know what i'm up to and like i think blackout just looks at him goes like whatever it's gonna be it's gonna be really dissatisfied he's like what are you doing he's like i'm carving the name bold rick into this bullet set and it just pauses and the whole audience is laughing because they already know what the joke's gonna be and he's like you know how they say there's a bullet with your name on it if i have it then it can't shoot me i think i think what i find so impressive about black out of ghost sport there's the fact that it's this insanely funny show that has a really poignant ending absolutely yeah they show that in a history class they were so like it's such a well sort of it hits you really well i think that's i think you know in your tfa video which i recently will watch she used as an example of how you can blend humor and drama in the same scene yeah um i mean that's a good example because it's just um there are a lot of jokes but as it treads on people stop laughing even though the jokes are really good just because it's like we all know what's about to happen you got a sense of reverence you're like man this is a goofy show but i appreciate the point you're making there yeah so i mentioned it in chat uh andy griffith's show so i don't find that funny at all i just don't think i never gotten to andy griffith show at all the humor of the time just does not translate well to me at all it was weird because i love hogan's heroes and stuff like that green acres things of that nature but any griffith was just never never got it it was too i don't know pure it was too i don't know some of some about it it was just never funny i haven't seen it so i uh yeah i don't know i guess i saw somebody post it in my chat that was interesting fringy have you ever read the tv tropes article sinfield is unfunny because it's a good description of why a lot of young people don't like sinfield namely that it was a formative to american sitcoms and everything has copied it since so other people have seen the copies so the jokes feel rehashed when they circle back in time that's super complicated because uh that's a lot like people like oh you should hate um resident evil four and i mean i can't refuse a particular card or maybe use a wall but basically things that set trends that other people started doing oh i think that's the point that the article was making that it's unfair to criticize oh okay things copied it you know what i mean yeah like why would it be unfunny if it was really groundbreaking at the time and then everybody else i i know what you mean it's like annoying when people like oh modern warfare too man because everybody copied pic 10 not pic 10 but like you know classes and kill districts it's like that's not call the duty's fault that everybody else copied them um super unfair i think in the same way that it's unfair to judge dark souls for the fact that everything gets compared to what then everybody's trying to copy it yeah and mark brown was like the souls genre it begins it's like no there's no soul genre i mean souls is like part of the metroidvania genre if you're gonna like if there was a broader genre that it falls i just i don't even mean whether or not it has value for sort of determining the difference between certain things it just it didn't catch on as a thing nobody says right oh what kind of game is this like oh it's a souls game it's like no one says that which is funny because people say metroidvania and it's kind of the same thing it's a genre based on the games that pioneered it well the reality is that a lot of people just say um it shares things with dark souls and one of the key ones is when you die your valuables are dropped on where you died and if you don't get them back in that next life they're gone forever that that mechanic is something that a lot of things do now and if they do it's like oh it's like dark souls it's kind of unfortunate that uh i'm sure i'm supposed to go then again it's kind of an issue of just reviewers kind of beat it into the ground comparing everything to dark souls yeah because they were painfully unoriginal and they needed something that was quick and it's not like you're paid to write it's not like that's your job and that you should be able to come up something a little bit more clever than hey it's like dark souls like i'm i'm gonna specifically avoid any dark souls reference well yeah i'm do you remember because i've never played dark souls it was an era for video essays where the meme is like how long until they reference dark souls it's like that's not good that's a thing and i think even in one of my videos when i reference dark souls i put like in text obligatory dark souls reference or something because but it was relevant but now it's it's different it'll be elden ring or whatever that's coming out that game was announced two years ago i think it's still not out um makes you wonder then again halo infinite was announced in like 2018 and now here we are in 2020 and it's still a year away i wonder about that game the fact that they were so prepared to release it this year and that needed another year that's a little less and yeah that that makes you wonder what was the horseshit that we would have gotten well i think i think it's the whole question of if the graphics didn't look so bad i wonder you know what i mean like i wonder um if people hadn't called out the graphics would they have even given a shit and that says a lot about a gaming culture doesn't it i think it's an issue of the fact that uh that this game really needed this was i mean i'm pretty sure it's on the box for like the xbox series x and it's like yeah this was meant to be the launch title because unfortunately microsoft's kind of just not ready everyone's saying it's 2021 fringy like oh sony did it i guys lead better do it too well i it's funny because now microsoft is because i funnily enough um that new studio they found it in the back of my mind i'm like you guys are making you guys are going to reboot perfect dark aren't you and then they did um and that's what they're doing i'm like yeah i you know what i had a feeling i had a bit of a i'm stuck i can't get out he blocked me into a so i'm not watching the gameplay so that was a really odd sentence it's um but yeah i uh i i don't know why i got the hunch but now it's like we're in a situation where right i said it in uh that video i made that i think we've reached a point where like sony is like oh third person cinematic action adventure that's what gets us the accolades so we do that um and that's all they do now and now microsoft's like hey we're making like first person shooters third person shooters action rpg strategy games um they're making everything so like microsoft's on what i know i might rather have an xbox i just i get more different games well it's just think about like what their what their studios are so you got 343 which you know whether or not you like them they are you know they're making first person shooters but they're also making strategy games in the form of halo wars um and they're still making those well they made halo wars two a couple years ago so i'm i'm guessing they're probably gonna make another halo wars um so you got that and then it's like all right um you got like the guys but you've got two different forts of games you've got like an arcadey game in forts of horizon and then you've got a strat you know like a simulation racing game in forts of seven or whatever you know the mainline forts are and it's like well what does what does sony have they have grand charisma so they only have one out of two of those things it's like oh that's not so great um also they've now got obsidian which means that they've got rpg's they've got they've got a lot of rpg's and a lot of ip's that are really valuable um they have the only rpg's that a lot of people care about yeah um because a lot of people only play one rpg and it's whatever elder scrolls they're playing they've got a monopoly on western rpg's the only other western rpg developers because they've got the thersedan of city and so who's left fireware larian um yeah i guess yeah um and uh sorry there are other things too as well but i'm just losing track with the moment they have like that gear tactics as well and and this is what i mean is like if you give it time eventually they're probably gonna have a really good catalog like it seems like microsoft just spent the last few years having learned their mistakes for a longer term decision i think so whereas i think sony has now and when you fall in game pass as well which is a really good deal oh yeah the microsoft game pass thing is like a stellar ball yeah like everyone like look it up like it might really be something that you'll like especially now that they've got the thersedan it's like wow you got like all of the thersedas games holy crap um that's a really good deal and when you have all that and all sony's doing is like the last of us and stuff um and of course i'm not trying to because i know like got a ball like i enough people have said how good that is that i'm willing to bet that it's really good and that's great but what if you don't want that type of experience it's like oh then i guess don't buy a playstation i'm not sure how good that is yeah i don't want to be miserable so i guess i'll buy an xbox well i guess it's just the idea of you know if you like these types of games and that's great but if you don't i hope you really like them i hope you really like them is basically the takeaway from micro from sony's you know platform you know um sort of styles being infected in the recent humble monthly there's a game in there was a horror game and i was like oh wonder if it's any good i look on the store page and then look at the gameplay and it's like one to one the kind of shit you see in um i don't know what you would call it but just until dawn style when you walk you walk and then there's one thing to interact with and you walk and i was just like oh no i'm fine what game was this i don't know the name of it was but the point was that like the idea that some developers have like been like you know that until dawn style that's good because you know that looks easy to make that's my cynical sort of take on it i feel like on some dream uh style more so than the until dawn one right sorry what did you say i i would say that like heavy rain was probably the well so when i say until dawn there's a reason i choose that rather than something like heavy rain and it's because until dawn is empty fucking hollow and it's funny because i say that about until dawn when man of medan is more hollow than that and then little hope is more hollow than that so whatever that is um it is fucking put me off that style like forever pretty much i'm just like fuck you like i can't be asked to deal with that little hope has ruined it for me i never want to play another game like that like ever um and i guess the problem with those games is that they because they're so mechanically shallow they they really lean hardcore on story and if the story is bad then they kind of don't have anything to offer that's the thing man the little hope story is not just bad it's barely like anything so you just watch a couple people die then you're like by the way this was someone's mental illness perceiving a bunch of people dying you're like okay even their illusions were shit that's what i mean when you have the kind of power to do something like that and that's all you came out with okay yeah try harder please that'd be nice i was i was talking to someone today in fact about um like there was someone that was got to talk about games i said i think that if i was gonna actually try to rank it i would say that fallout 76 is the worst game i've played but yeah it was like yeah it was it was it was enjoyable in this incident i know you're going with this but it's because i said i brought up to him also with the asterisk of there's some other it has to like work and be functional sort of yeah fallout 76 was just functional enough to where you could call it a completed game in its own as the inception that it released in um but i'll say like stuff like little hope they they really test the definition of what a game can be so i kind of have to put it into its own category like it's funny but it's really really true that one especially there is so little gameplay in it and by the way yeah when there are qt sections where if you fail them or succeed them the same thing happens so oh what's the point yeah so it's just you kind of sit there wondering like is this even mashed up in the in the quick time events there were usually story consequences for that imagine being like deficient weight that heavy rain wasn't this thing they've only gotten worse it's like you'd think they would have improved but never mind i remember when i was a kid i well a kid i was not i was older than that but like when i was younger i uh i really liked heavy rain um i thought it was well written i mean i haven't played it so it's not uh well at least i like the premise of that game um but the writing is pretty wonky the dialogue is not good because david cageton a very good dialogue writer i mean have you seen like detroit become human that game is about as subtle as a fucking car yeah about a brick to the head yeah hey the robots are people and it's like yeah they're obviously people they're free thinking agents of course they're people yeah like you can't you can't do this you have to make it more questionable for it to mean anything you have to do a you have to do measure of a man's stuff like in star trek you can't you can't or the white front of things you know where it's yeah i don't know i think i think um that game kind of it's just you know like it thinks that it has a lot to say but unfortunately i guess the problem is like i feel like a much more interesting conversation about ai and whether or not it's intelligent it's like what type of intelligence is it um because it's probably going to be different from us in uh in ways that are appreciable and if not it's worth exploring why that may be like if like if ai behaves like a like a person is that because we made it's like is the reason why ai thinks in the same way that we do because we invented it um you know in the same way that like a lot of religions say like oh well you know we're like you know god made us in his image it's like okay well then maybe we make ai in our image that might be interesting but um i mean yeah you wouldn't i mean we wouldn't make something that's totally foreign and ununderstandable and incomprehensible to ourselves oh well i think i think it's more fundamental than that the way that we would approach creating ai is probably just going to invariably leads with thinking like us in certain ways or if not that might be worth exploring as opposed to no they're just people um i just i think that's boring and also making that robots look like human beings makes a lot harder as well like if the robots it's kind of like what that movie chappy was supposed to be right where it's like a robot that it looks like a robot but in a most like human that's more interesting to me than uh than a strictly human being and i say this is something that really likes blade runner and in that they're people but blade runner has a lot more going for it as well that detroit become human doesn't even come close to achieving so back to simpson's yep the uh the other question was um where does south park sit in comparison to simpson's future on the family guy american dad sort of thing uh well like i said earlier i think i usually ranked south park at the top but i think um it's kind of changed a little bit where like it's a little hard do we consider an error we said all of it you know what i mean yeah um because if you consider all of south park i think south park has been a lot more consistently funny um like south park is still south park was funny for a lot more than 10 years yeah but so was simpson's um simpson's was funny past the golden age uh i don't know if because if we were just saying like do you think that the first 10 seasons of the simpson's better than south park it's like probably yeah but do you think south park as a whole is stronger than the simpson's probably um if you take it all together yeah and i think i also appreciate a lot what south park has to say about the world and about the way that people behave like in terms of its commentary i'm quite a fan um i don't know but as for where it sits next like future armor future armor sits quite highly on my list um so does archer archer is pretty high up on my list too um but like eyeballing it i probably go number one really is a tie between simpson's and south park it is tough to choose between them and um if we're talking just your favorite sort of stuff and era it's like okay simpson's is going to win out then south park then uh if the other selection includes future armor family guys american dad it'll be next is future armor then american dad then family guy i haven't watched enough of uh american dad i think i just i don't know enough about it lots of good memories from american dad always felt stronger american dad was secretly the better show that's what i heard i don't hear much pushback on that honestly like i don't really know many people who are like oh i'm a super avid family guy fan you know i guess it's because family family guy was more popular um whereas american dad kind of flew under the radar a little bit i think a lot of people especially when they were young they kind of like only watched family guy and so they thought it was like more amazing than it actually was yeah well i think i think it's the problem of like and it's you know south park talked about it in the cartoon wars episode like family guy's pretty lazily written um it's just hey this this is a funny gag whereas in like a good show you actually it's not just about coming up with gags it's about writing a joke that fits into the story you're telling character based i mean god damn like eric just said it outright don't compare me to family guy when i make jokes they're inherent to the story deep situational emotionally nuanced but not just one it's a tangible joke it was obviously very deliberate of them when he says behind the scenes commentary they're like yeah we we we don't respect family guy like we we think they don't work very hard um it's just a bunch of it's so many of the jokes are just non sequiturs randomly appearing well and they they hurt the flow of the story because every time that something's happening somebody we like this is like the time something happened and then it's like oh all right this will be funny but it will have nothing to do with anything because i think i think that's the hard part when you talk about what's wrong with family guys like but these cutaways are funny it's like yeah a lot of them are funny but this is really easy to do i i don't think people really it's not as it's not as easy as just what bojack does where puns puns are easier than what family guy does um imagine that family a comedy writing them bojack i'm well family guy has made me laugh yes bojack doesn't even if it's dumb and it's detrimental to the stories they're telling and it's really cheap it still has produced laughs yes um like i mean i really like that joke where um yeah somebody put it in chat remember the time it's like yeah that's you think that's bad remember that time i you know and then there's your joke that's the format and you know i i guess that's why i think i like robot chicken more than family guy because like robot chicken cuts out the pretense like that's what robot chicken is it's loose jokes um yeah it's like a variety show in a way well it's a sketch show and i think yeah because that show like yeah that's what we do we just make sketch jokes so yeah that's probably the ordering then um but if bojack was thrown into that does it actually sit at the bottom for comedy value is that what you're saying fringy i think so too so springy is getting dangerously close to triggering rags how how by what did rags you a big fan of family guys no it's it's just it has made me laugh yeah that's all i said with family guys made me laugh maybe they interpreted that as you being like springy it makes me laugh well i mean it's made me laugh yeah but i mean i guess it's worth clarifying like i do find family guys be funny yeah i don't find it so funny anymore but there are a lot of ways it made me laugh a lot i watched a whole bunch of it there must have been a reason like it definitely i mean it seems like fast food comedy in a kind of way yeah that's a analogy really easy to get into um and of course when you're like the perfect demographic for it when it was at a prime you know like i was the perfect demographic for that show um edgy teenager who are and especially when the simpsons were starting to really like not be so funny anymore when that show came around i think it's the family guy kind of took off yeah i honestly remember it being portrayed as like this is adult simpsons it's like yeah all right but really the simpsons was adult simpsons well i guess it's different between like child-friendly adult friendly and then immature and mature right yeah of course because family guy definitely uh you know would have been rated higher than simpsons in terms of age rating i guess of course like i had something there and it was important and now it's gone forever damn uh what about um what is what is bob sorgas i have not seen i have not seen it either because i like that show but i haven't seen it i've seen maybe half of well actually less than half that show has been on for like 10 years soon about three or four seasons and i liked it um but i'm not sure where it would uh where it would sit uh on that list do you watch adventure time i yeah i have only watched half of them so that was a good investment i'm like that that's one of those low key i'm a super fan of it it's uh oh no one said bojack was worse because it's just puns it's like yeah but my puns are good it's not just oh what a bunch of you guys acting like a bunch of vultures and then it pans over and there's vulture standing there like that's not right isn't a tv show and it's not all he does there are obvious variables here molly you forgot that you forgot that part well no you you did that part there's i'm trying to add to your defenses i wanted to hear it i want to hear my own opinions in someone else's voice wait are you guys getting angry at me for not just for not agreeing that puns it's double time if you can make a pun it makes me laugh off the cuff that's worth a lot more than a pun you wrote and then went through redraft and then rewrote like a pun that you just come up with off the top of your head is worth more to me than a pun that was written of course it is because improv is harder what are the guys that are chasing you in this area mohler to be honest with you man i'm i'm looking for where i'm even supposed to go and i just end up getting killed and then desperately looking for where i died to pick up my stuff and then lose it again like i'm i'm in pigatory right now i'm more invested in the conversation that i am in the game yeah speaking of which um oh yeah well i was gonna i'm knocking off super chestnut like oh yeah that the the last criticism of resume or four from the other one i was mentioning was aim controls independent from camera movement make the game practically unplayable for me all right that's really odd to me that that would make it unplayable i would just like as with as with lots of uh systems you would afford the developer the idea of like clearly they've set it up this way and the game is going to reflect it mm-hmm as in design yeah if i was to be able to move and shoot at the same time resume fold becomes a hell of a lot easier if you can do that you probably have to yeah it would become a lot easier you would you need to change primarily the way that enemies behave because the way that enemies behave at resident evil it takes into account the fact you have to either be moving or shooting but if you can do both enemies have to be for starters sped up significantly yeah um because you are going to be doing a lot of backpedaling and shooting and that's going to have to be accounted for by the uh by the enemies in the game probably some map redesigns that take into account you know the fact that you can have this you know that much more mobility was part of the halo conversation right the maps were designed in the old games without sprints because they knew how far she could go and when you have to add sprint yeah which is good when everyone has sprint but when sprint is something you can selectively choose you are playing with sprint on a map that is designed for people who do not have sprint so you have a huge advantage in what that gives you because movement speed is just such an inherently big advantage yeah you can move far god damn yeah that was the failing of reach if it was it was like oh they added sprint people often say oh it was just that they added sprint to halo it was like no it wasn't that they added sprint to halo it's not that simple it's that you have to design maps for the lowest common speed like all of like it comes okay all of the jumping puzzles in guild wars 2 are completable with the base movement speed even though there's classes that can give themselves faster movement either passively or through abilities if you're a class who doesn't have those abilities you have to be able to complete the content so all of the jumping puzzles are designed with that mind yeah i'd say that uh if you if you overlook that the game is kind of like broken um in a major way i think if like because you pick the wrong class impossible pass and sections of the game that are meant to be done by everybody like that would be such a massive oversight that it would actually be kind of insane for that to happen exactly and a lot of game i bet a lot more games than we think of are designed that you have to design it to where it's completable um so rags sprint changes the gameplay design of the stage it does i mean i would agree with that i wouldn't word it like that but sort of weird way but i understand yeah when you say that because it's a whole idea but um in halo one two three you know exactly how fast people are moving and that's like a part of the way that you play the game and nobody can ever move faster or slower than they are when you see them whereas with sprints that changes things because there are two modes of speed instead of one you have to keep into account keep into yeah if you give yeah if giving people the ability to sprint significantly increase their movement speed and all of the benefits that come along with that really big deal considering the maps are not designed for people with sprint they have to be designed with all right so what if you don't pick sprint well the map still has to be viable to you fucking a hundred thousand echoes are in this area you better give them up yeah oh yeah which is why i'm actually kind of this is a bit tense honestly oh boy because these guys can kill me pretty fast someone said the that bore was actually good enemy design because it anticipated that you thought it was going to charge but instead it attacked the sweep attack so nothing in what you said was good game design um if they're talking about what happened with me it's just a bore the bore is capable of several moves i am aware of those several moves i didn't account for one because i just forgot temporarily like i was expecting it to charge when i should have accounted for the fact that i can charge all sweep and i just didn't and so it hit me like i don't think that's clever how they describe it based just from that comment that sounds like the opposite of the thing so this is when you see a game and your human brain is like oh it's a bore it's going to charge me that's why they had this enemy look like a bore to give it bore like characteristics and because it looks like a bore i can piece together logically what it might do but the enemy thought that you would make that extremely logical deduction and so it did something completely randomly different instead is like oh that yeah that's dumb then bitcoin is worth over 30 000 us dollars now it's going on with a high huh it's uh we're tripled in value last year and in the last two days it's gone up about 12 percent for you to take issue with host sensitive the fucking triggers aren't ps4 well i have i've i mean let me tell you a story about these stupid triggers on this stupid controller i've uh i've broken the r2 trigger like i'm pretty sure two or three times on my con on my controller and i've had to purchase a new one because of it so um i kind of hate this controller i think the xbox controller is a lot better um and i'm not surprised it's just for me you'll randomly see my gameplay i'm just shooting the gun at certain points and like yeah it's because even if you touch the fucking l2 even a hair it's like oh you want to find the gun okay boom like no no um really it's a hair trigger i'm thinking joining bitcoin well i'm not going to give you any advice by the way i'm like i was about to say something like it's but no i'm not off forgetting financial advice someone asked a pair two people asked a pair of questions um uh rags besides sprint what about going prone in halo how much does that or how about going prone how much does that change the gameplay um hardly have i ever seen prone used in a way where it would ever change gameplay because prone is almost always in video games the wrong thing to do and the reason for this is because unlike in the real world where pruning is extremely useful in the real world it's difficult to hit things in the video game you always have pinpoint precision in the center of your screen on that reticle or dot it presents to you which kind of negates the whole point or a great deal of the point of pruning in the real world it's meant to make yourself a smaller target or to make yourself much more difficult to see with video games um it's often harder to remain unseen because of just how graphics are rendered and displayed on the screen and things of that nature and how the how things are rendered with other things and you have less control over what your appearance is and what you do to your environment and again it's also because if someone prunes they're basically a free kill yeah because they yeah they can't move as fast they're basically stationary and in video games you are hyper accurate compared to what you are in real life like hyper accurate it's a real life comparison so yeah it's just basically a free target you heard it here first people don't prune all right yeah and video yeah pruning in video games having it be a good thing is often a rare like rule of thumb it's never a good idea generally but there are sometimes in the games where pruning can be super useful like it makes a lot of sense contextually when you're in a single player game or in co-op when you're hiding from enemies and stuff like that but computers don't have to be programmed to see to mimic the way that an actual person would see so that's the thing there there's a different like the tactics used in video games and the tactics used in the real world are often different because the mechanics and you know in video games are set it's set to be a game and to be consistent and fun and so as a result that changes the behavior of people so but if you can instantly go prone you have an advantage for a second if someone is logically aiming for your head sure but generally people don't aim for the head center of the loss that like generally if you like round the corner with someone else and a lot of this compares like time to kill and stuff like that but generally going prone and shooting is a worse idea because the time it takes for you to prone and adjust your aim as a result you're not going to have an advantage over someone who's shooting and aiming that whole time at you watching you do these things right I saw people in chat like oh talk about crypto um no I don't know enough about cryptocurrency to talk about it all right like I'm not on the game every game gives you pinpoint accuracy okay 98.6% of them give you pinpoint accuracy yeah in fact I have to think about one that doesn't give you precise accuracy and they're not going to be high rated probably for that reason yeah um yeah in video games when I just can't get the fuck I'm pointing at it's really fucking annoying and people find it very annoying and those games become very niche oh you make serious sorry this is someone in chat they're like by dogecoin I laughed at them and they said they made money off of it it's like oh okay Max has never played ghost recon I have you have really really good accuracy in those games I've played them you have your character in ghost recon is way more accurate than anything you could be oh it's once it counter strike guys you know the difference between being able to shoot people without aiming down the sights and then the difference is you can't aim down the sights at all rise referring to games that don't allow you to have pinpoint accuracy you can in counter strike help me out also you were going to be way more accurate in counter strike than you will be in real life help me out here Mola when a weapon is at risk what does that mean that's a great question because I have no idea at risk I'm assuming it's at risk of being broken but I don't I've not had that what a thing pop up it's a question at risk yeah I mean because I might let me I've been playing this game for like way less time than you and it's already popped up for me in a chat help me out when does that even happen and how come I've never seen it or have I seen it ignored it because I don't if you'd ask me weapon breakage in bloodborne I'd be like maybe it's because I've been upgrading them before they break I don't fucking know how do you upgrade them well if you go to the main yeah yeah and then to the right of German or German's left I guess you just go up to there and I think you can repair around four to five so okay I'll do that thanks chat I feel like cryptocurrency is a really complex confusing space and it's especially made harder by the fact that it's such a new thing that as opposed to like gold where people kind of understand how that works and you know times of like massive uh all right I can go okay so on a chance like I can tell you have a play planet side to head shots of the difference between winning a 1v1 it's like oh yeah I didn't mention that one fucking obscure game I mean yeah although but like assuming whatever the logic is because um you can get the head shot could decide you're winning cards that doesn't mean that like that doesn't disprove anything you said it's like dumb yeah it's like almost all game oh yeah what about counter strike pros is some games are built purely around head shots but the vast majority of games I'm not it is you shoot people in the body and some games encourage will hit the noob too like you're encouraged to shoot people in the head of yeah it depends like even with the battle rifle only the last shots have to be in the head uh yeah but if you shoot oh right because the shield thing with the mr it's like it shields like the only the last shot has to be in the head if you're trying to hit the head all the time you're gonna lose because you'll miss a lot you you hit him in the chest four times and then the last shot has to be the head apparently Elon Musk tweeted about Dogecoin so that's why it went up in value so if you follow Elon Musk on Twitter just whatever he tweets out just buy it and then sell it like a day later I guess imagine just taking advice from Elon Musk on stocks is crazy levels of influence man well I mean he's he tweeted out once a Tesla stocks too high and it crashed that's just really funny to me but he's not tweeting it now even though it is really high is this going to be the edgy take that Tesla is overvalued at the moment because I think it is like god damn that thing is worth like it's like PE ratio is like 70 or something it's kind of it's kind of insane how expensive that that uh that stock is didn't he get in trouble for that yeah of course he did because like if you're the if you're the head of a company and you tweet out something that reduces your stock value of course you're gonna get trouble for that you have obligations to your shareholders Elon jat said I remember the first time I tried to shoot with a real target with a real gun at sad felt like I was shooting blanks I was so bad yeah like that's a skill you have to learn and hone depending on what you're shooting how far away it is and what it's a lot of variables but yeah I'm really fucking tough like it's a difficult thing to do that's why people practice all the time with it wait a minute doesn't make any sense I watch so many movies where like they don't even miss yeah it bugs me it really does especially in like star wars and stuff where everyone's hit firing pistols that targets that are 30 meters away and they just blast it and I'm like yeah fuck off and if ever that happens it should be special it shouldn't be everyone can do that I think you miss occasionally that's all it takes just having missed a few shots every now yeah just have them like aim like that'd be a start just have a character just aiming at a target and shooting you know four or five times just to kind of make sure and like one or two of them might hit you know something like that or they can't just flip around and instantly hit fire at target or so it's like you expect it from Mando especially because of his training to where he's always like he's got the gun he should walk a certain way hold his weapon and handle his weapons a certain way he should shoot a certain way and but you just don't he's just like every other fucking asshole in star wars with how they do everything there's no difference well depends if they're good guys or bad guys right um like until with the exception of the actual shooting like hitting the target part which is purely arbitrary based on plot not really oh i guess you're saying it's not about good or bad it's about whether the plots decided someone's about to die well i mean it's like the way that Mando carries himself in combat and with weapons is to my memory indistinguishable from everybody else with weapons when you but like take john wick right when john wick even in two and three just the way that he handles his weapons and moves with him you know clearly a well-practiced very skilled person who knows what they're doing but people don't do that in star wars it's kind of lame there's no space wizards can you chill out geez yeah it'd be nice if skill was something that like could be learned and not just plot dependent yeah you're the main character you're skilled now all right yeah you're just good it's fine like that's why the accountant gets all kills on stormtroopers the person who's probably never held a gun in his life he's an accountant they bring him along he's in a firefight he's got a pistol and he's getting stormtrooper kills and like as people point out stormtroopers don't miss when your arm is made out of feska then they give a hyper fucking act true and i like it he's like oh he won that he won that uh standoff with michael b just like did anyone think he wouldn't did anyone actually i would love to ask the person who's tense in that moment i'd be like what do you think he's gonna do shoot him in his like between the armor gaps what have we ever seen that happen before ever well hence if they argued that maybe like that's why i'm tense right now i don't want matter to die i'd be like wow i'm i mean i wouldn't even argue that i just like have you seen what he survived so far i'm surprised that you're uh you're worried about him that's the thing his the any injury he sustains like the first season the only meaningful injury he sustains makes absolutely zero sense and it's only to have plot drama well it's to square off an arc of i don't like droids now i do all right also the arc of you haven't seen his face and now you have that's it someone said mando someone said mando has no training rags have you watched the show that's not what you said i don't even know what that's supposed to mean because it's implied that he has a shit ton of training he has the results selectively has the results of someone who's had a lot of training without putting any of the work it we don't see any of it being executed i don't know how anyone could miss what you were saying when you mentioned john wick john wick's movements his how he moves around corners how he reloads and active like just guns yeah like there's so much effort in there checks the bullet is in the yeah meanwhile mando is mando walks up to fennec when she's getting attacked by tizems and he's just like okay let's move forward i'm pretty sure he says let's let's move or something like that it and it's just like you don't do it you're standing there and you're just shooting randomly there's nothing he's he's just if you just replaced all the characters and men of the men lorian with with nondescript silhouettes he doesn't behave differently to anybody else despite his supposed incredible training is his firearms and apparently also melee weapons expertise like the way he twirls that fucking stupid spear around because that's what you teach warriors in the future to do is how to spear fight world yeah it's like it's it's choreographed and everything but you see him with a gun and he's just he's just shooting like kind of normal just like everyone else is except his just happened to hit all the time like rags do you only see comments that disagree or spare you what is rags supposed to do this highlight every single comment that agrees with them and say i agree i agree the fuck right this first one's right so it's a rags uh keanu did a lot of actual tactical training before the john wick movies that's correct he did a lot of like three gun competitions and a lot of stuff like that yeah so he knows his way around firearms absolutely he put in the work for that role he knows a lot about him and it shows it really does legit show there was a there's definitely a a you can see the result of the work and mando it's just some hollywood actor who doesn't know anything about anything who's just just he's just got a gun i guess easy points to the bad guys it'd be nice to see like the stormtroopers they act like they act like just like the rebels do and the rebels act just like stormtroopers and every random thug acts just like every stormtrooper and every they all act the exact same because none of them have actual training and actual proficiency and they haven't been directed to actually show it because all of their amazing feats of skill they're just added in post when they see gi the blaster shot hitting the target and that's it that's all about it yeah rags call me a bigot sandwich believe me rags what are you a bigot sandwich uh just the existence of non-hyperspace fto travel and imply when the fountain goes to bestman make mando seasons 2 episodes 2 better what do you mean are they talking about when they move from attaching to the star destroyer to bestman i guess i guess this is the yeah this is this is non-hyperspace faster than light travel which i can believe i just it isn't intuitive also they call it do they call it sub light in the ot because i don't think they do and that's if they call it sub light that's a dumb thing to call it yeah yeah because sub light is not that slow yeah light is not fast enough well no i mean that was the issue with tap to marvel they're like all light speed engines like no this isn't you've got the ships it can go faster than the speed of light so what what good is this yeah it's like i'm gonna go to beetle juice it'll take 600 years if you're traveling the speed of light god that movie doesn't understand why how come she can breathe in space because she's super i mean all the other stuff she can do they just assume you'd accept that it's fine girls do get a gun i remember thinking a comment where somebody said oh captain marvel is underpowered in the movie she could move planets in the comics it's like you guys you gotta you gotta stop doing this like oh in the comics they can do they can move planets or like rewind time by flying around earth it's like stop it please you are not helping yourself oh this fight's intense i like this one i do like the idea that you could be just pointing out comments that agree with you and saying yes yes yes yes i agree yes someone said the weapons that have zero kickback because it's energy based which doesn't actually mean anything and rags is made and it doesn't show the series that's famous for hundreds of blaster shots going through the screen they too accurate okay so like you still have to aim it right so the recoil doesn't actually have anything to do with the accuracy like these are two different things you could have a gun that has incredible recoil and is very very accurate right and the recoil doesn't affect the accuracy of that shot they're through two different things right so even if you didn't have even if you had a gun that had zero recoil which the good luck with that you're gonna have to come up with some mechanism that negates the energy of because remember we have like laws and things where if a lot of energy comes out of side a then the back is going to have energy going the other way every action there's an equal option reaction so if you're going to have a recoilless weapon firing there's got to be some mechanism that negates that do i think star wars weapons have that no it's just because it's added in post um right but let's assume that these guns all of these guns there's zero recoil to all of the shots you still have to know how to aim these things you still have to line up your sights you still have to put the dot on the target you still have to know your your your drop because matter is affected by gravity so a blaster bolt will fall with gravity as well um and so so the recoil doesn't mean anything um to the ability for them to be super super duper accurate so i don't really know what the point of that is uh have we have we been shown that the blasters have recoil after job uh can we be shown that the blasters have recoil in star wars before like in in a new hope i'm sure i saw luke like flick his hand up when he fired a shot god yeah there there's there is an inconsistency um i i think that an energy weapon would have recoil uh because you know it's energy coming out of the muzzle that energy like creates force which is going to be directed in different directions like you know it's a big deal learning how to mitigate just whether or not it's it is and also that laser has mass i mean light has mass there has to be something yeah exactly there has to be something that actually impacts the target it's not just hot that hits the target right it's not the concept of heat that hits a target and like melts it or whatever there has to be something physically there to do it there has to be some kind of energy or or condensed gas or something like they're called bolts it's probably just super compressed gas well here's a question that i got what if it's a rail gun i'm not sure what difference that would make i like what is a rail gun uh rail gun pretty much just it it uh rail gun is like it i mean i know what it is in like science fiction it's like jub jub jub and then you fire out something in real life yeah yeah i figured it would be yeah let me get the proper but rail guns have force like and a lot of oh yeah absolutely like except rail guns are often like bolted down to the ground as well yeah because we we do not have the technology to have rail guns you can run around with and shoot people yeah they're not yeah they're not very they're not practical to put in handheld form oh somebody said okay so rail gun fires magnetically so right to project all it's just like a metal oh so okay yes it's just a it's a piece of tungsten or something it's a very it's a it's a it's a thick boy it's a it's a dense boy is what it shoots okay so it's it's like a normal gun and it doesn't fire like some magic thing that yeah so generally it's like tungsten armor piercing bullets so they're yeah the and i know in science fiction and stuff uh and even believing that there was a in real life during the cold war the united states and the soviet union had a had a treaty that they made i forget the name of it but it was basically that they wouldn't drop things on each other from outer space right i think i'm sure uh yeah it's like because you could drop a i think this was actually in like call of duty ghosts where you just have these big metal rods not that big just a metal rod and you just drop it from space and by the time it hits the ground it has like nuclear capabilities without the radiation because it's just a sheer energy generated from a massive object hitting um but a magnetic slingshot is yeah it's sort of a good way to say yeah it's like a a straight slingshot yeah or a series of magnetically charged coils will progressively speed up an object to ridiculously high speeds so that just an object hits something else and does a lot of damage it like simulates an explosive payload without actually having one right that second attempt on the boss went way better than the first but yeah i do it i would think that in the real world if we had an energy weapon which i don't think we would ever give up projectiles i feel like projectiles you know they're too really good they're too meaningful yeah well i mean it's basically just the same premise as stabbing somebody but you're shooting stabby things at them and like stabbing things is what we've always kind of done with weapons you know just put a hole in something the only reason that you would ever use energy weapons is because you would have to be shooting at something that a projectile couldn't defeat yeah well yeah because you're making things a lot harder when it's energy weapons as opposed to a metal object being flung we're really yeah you'd have to you'd have to find a way to be able to i just don't see it being a thing like it's fun in space and sci-fi and stuff but i just don't ever see it see it really being a thing like a ray gun being a thing you know what would make it a thing is people being like oh my god it's like star wars yeah like that's then why then you stop and think for two seconds and you're like okay so jedi would never be able to stop a shotgun or just bullets like okay so jedi are done they couldn't do that because jedi basically rely on blaster bolts yeah then we do we talk about once like assuming it doesn't vaporize it if a bullet went through like sabre melted and splashed molten metal onto their face as a result oh yeah they have it definitely will have it absolutely yeah the the remnants of that bullet they gotta go somewhere and even in wonder woman uh when she's blocking oh yeah the first wonder woman she goes over this writing you know yeah they make sure to show the slo-mo of her blocking that bolt that first bullet that hits her bracers and in the first movie when she goes over the trench and how it shatters into all of these pieces shrapnel it turns into shrapnel and it goes away on the just to her side and i'm like yeah so every bullet hitting her is going to be dispersed and broken up into pieces of shrapnel that will continue to travel backwards because her bracers are curved which means every time she blocks the bullet in front of her with a bracer she's going to get pelted by yeah but the problem is that the films can't decide if she's impervious to bullets or not because even when she's losing her powers in 84 the bullets hit her in the chest and don't kill her like you literally see a hole in her chest i still believe man that the original intention when she is shot and wounded from travel is supposed to be like oh my god she's just been wounded by a bullet this is serious when that has already happened and they forgot like that happened regardless of her powers well i i guess it's a problem of like in in the marvel movies stories impervious to bullets we see it we have evidence of it happening obviously he doesn't want to get hit by bullets but still it doesn't matter and like superman is impervious to bullets as well one woman's a lot more inconsistent she's kind of really fast but also kind of not um she can kind of fly but also kind of not and um she's maybe impervious to bullets maybe yeah more and more redundant every day so the the thing about like energy weapons is so there has to be a significant reason to swap from projectiles and everything that we've learned about them and everything that we've improved about them to the point where like especially fire uh small arms right now was kind of plateaued in terms of the firearms themselves and the ammunition and innovations are probably going to be within like siting systems heads up displays accessories kind of uh to to increase efficiency of it um but these are the amount of work and energy and it's like what's the point of having a blaster when you can have a gun just a gun yeah it's like an AR-15 in the star wars world is like yeah you'll be even more deadly than people with blasters if you just bring an AR-15 I feel like they'd be very quickly rising and it's like a fan favorite if you had like a mercenary that had non-energy weapons yeah yeah it you would people would like them they'd find them cool yeah well public commander had non-energy weapons yeah it did yeah I suppose the the mortar would would come under a because like a lot of people were saying the mortar should have there should be an energy version and it's just like I mean if it works why so I don't know how you have an energy version of it because you'd have to because the way a mortar is great because you can shoot it slow enough to where the projectile goes up comes back down and you can you're fucking kidding me you are actually kidding me wow I remember why I hate this enemy it's just a garbage enemy plus what's great about mortars in their physical form is that like the thing is what's great with projectiles is that there are like a projectile can be all kinds of things you can put incendiary effects on it you can make it armor piercing you can make them hollow points you could load them up with whatever stuff like mortars are the same way you can have all kinds of different payloads um like it could it could be an air burst or it could be just like a high explosive direct fire weapon it could it could be smoke so you could put a smoke grenades in one and just have them smoke an area but um I don't see how you could do that with energy weapons like I'm sure there's different kinds of it huh because they're not physical objects you probably couldn't like they're not attendable object of energy weapons yeah they are oh well yeah yeah but I guess what I mean is like how do you if you got like an energy weapon how do you you know put it on a table and then modify the actual energy beam it would be it would be just you have it's it's more of the way whereas with projectiles you'd modify the projectile itself with energies I guess it'd be like the mechanism that takes the energy from its power source and directs it in a direction that's what you mess with yeah but I feel like you'd lose a lot of utility like a laser could only do it could do it was it would be less variety in what it could do compared to bullets and hand grenades you know I mean I think of a shotgun like shotguns are insanely there's a huge variety in what you could put into a shotgun like you could fill them with beanbags you can fill them with slugs you can put bird shot and buck shot and sabos and all kinds of different stuff inside what is a slug then oh it's shotgun slug it's just one single thick projectile oh when you said film with slugs because that's what I thought slugs were so when you said film with slugs I was like oh is that like a type of bullet you can put lots of them in yeah pretty much yeah but like so correct me if I'm wrong though I thought slug meant like a single shot that's really like a chunky boy that's what a shotgun slug is yeah yep meaning you wouldn't put multiple ones into one shot no correct there'd be one yeah there would be one slug per uh yeah I mean you could put two smaller ones in there if you wanted but generally the point of a slug is you get accuracy because it's only one thing going to one spot instead of having it disperse over a distance um you can get more penetration with it depending on if it's been on the shotgun you can get pretty good accuracy with them but yeah you have a lot of options but I don't know how you do that with an energy weapon mortars are very useful you don't have a line of sight yeah absolutely they're very long distance and it's very good for dropping on top of people and when you don't have a line of sight can I not stun these fat enemies because I shoot them and they don't get stunned fat enemies have more health that's video games you gotta the parry only activates not on the charge up but the bring down and that's applicable to basically everything in the game I remember there was one where it was uh the whole PSA was that um this guy called and the kid answers the boys like are your parents home no they're out he's like well you want a surprise what's your address and it's like dude he sounds like talks a lot to that he sounds suspicious I guess that's a point and I do like the fact that a big black man with like gun bullets wrapped around him on his chest he's the trust worthy one there's a random army dude walking down the street now this one says it is a joke and therefore it can be bad so sad I don't know if that's referencing the person we were covering this is obviously from a while ago so you guys whenever you do a super chat do your best to include the context whenever you ask something you know even if it's just a single word just so I know it's responding to seven weeks later you know yeah when you're going to admit that Soma isn't a horror game but uh yeah when you go admit that Soma isn't a horror game coward also hi everyone except the mutt damn who's the mutt are you I'm a purebred mofo I mean with I'm achieved like my father and his father before him Soma's a horror game sorry cope votes on Druckmann an adult MTV cartoon oh duckman all right for a second like thought some what Neil Druckmann Neil Druckmann the show uh yeah I don't know anything about a show called duckman says someone said reg since Jedi blocking lasers is due to enhanced reflexes and precognition from the force wouldn't Jedi be able to react more easily to physical bullets and energy shots due to slower speed so like I'm I feel like an energy shot is thicker than a bullet based on what we see and I don't know like the fact that you could see it probably helps a shit ton if you have good reflexes right you can't see the bullet it's too fast and too small and it's not glowing and it's not like a foot long so I feel like hitting a bullet would be much much more difficult also when you block it you now have two red hot molten pieces of metal that are going to find your hand yeah and also those braces are going to be through wonder we're going to stupid absolutely agree people think that no man's lane shot is amazing that scene is stupid wrong it is um dude I had to respond to some dumb ass in the comments today yeah man rom is a vacuous spider IMO hey oh wait no sorry I'm watching my own stream footage of like hey you're up to where I am I was like wait a minute you're a lot further ahead than I am that is true oh my god there's so many spiders you're supposed to be liking faster though and also like I feel well it isn't light it's not traveling speed um definitely not traveling just yeah definitely because remember bullets can travel really fast so like an air 15 will shoot at like 3000 feet per second around there one woman would tell you you can't track a bullet as it moves through the air with your eyes and then catch it and throw it yeah you can't idiot because here's the thing if your if your reflexes are so good that you can block lasers and bullets nothing will ever get past you yeah like two jedi fighting there's no way you could possibly swing that which is always kind of been a problem with star wars is if you're fast enough and your reflexes are so good that you can block blaster shots then there is no way someone could ever possibly swing a lightsaber fast enough to where it could hit you so I just like we just gonna have to accept and move forward with the idea that jedi are broken and they don't work you can easily catch a bullet if you have a lasso that is true yeah obviously we didn't mean that well everyone can catch a bullet once at least yeah you know I have no idea how to get through this area I congrats mutually beat the second worst boss of the game yeah rom not a good boss but maybe some believe rom is also I think I'm about expended exhausted used up oh man it's almost one in the morning shit yeah time kind of flew and I don't believe we got through more super chats than we have now to respond to from this stream pray we made our lives more I don't even know we've added to our workload yeah you'll have more discussion from us in future I mean we're planning on doing this exact same thing tomorrow this was supposed to be part one today but I guess it's just part zero now not all that came through I saw that on discord it came through through the stream though because obvious obvious works differently what I was saying was it was supposed to be part one and two today tomorrow but instead it's part zero and part one so we will see you same time same sort of cast tomorrow and I will try and continue with super chats as well shall I uh shall I plug my hold on all right well I mean are you going offline or I yeah because I I haven't really because I woke up and started you should you should totally stay online for just like 20 minutes even oh man yeah yeah we should yeah okay come on come over here then so um yeah I'm gonna go offline but I will sit in this call a little bit and if you want to continue this conversation hit the link in the chat do be a sanity on twitch come hang out with us for a little bit for the aftershow all right um but yeah same time tomorrow and um yeah we'll catch you there thank you so much everybody for the very kind donations the company and the well you know the discussion right the back and forth about all the different things we covered tonight it was it may as well have been a full e-fap to be honest with you with what we talked about it's just with a game in the background instead of you know the tile yeah basically yeah um too many tangents but that's a okay yes all right see you folks tomorrow do be a sanity go then