On the breakfast, World Bank has lowered its economic growth forecast for Nigeria in 2023 to 32 to 3.2 percent from 3.3 percent, citing its lowdown in the global growth, the war in Ukraine, and the declining demand in from China for commodities produced on the African continent. Look at this, as it affects the Nigerian economy. Also on the breakfast, the organization of the petroleum exporting countries, OPEC, and its allies sector-caught output as oil prices increases. What is the implication for an oil-dependent economy? Of course, we also have a daily look at some of the headlines on the front pages of today's national dailies, recalling off the press on these and more head on the breakfast. Good morning to you, we're back with the Breakfast and Plus TV Africa, reaching you live from our studios on Victoria Island, Lagos. I am Kofi Bartels. My name is Messia Boko. It's good to have you join us this beautiful Thursday morning. Yes, indeed. Lots to talk about. A fantastic line of topics with a hint or slant towards the economy, a bias towards the economy. I'd say, what we're looking at that we have a crack panel of guests set to do justice with analysis on these topics. So please sit back, relax, and enjoy the program. Maybe have a cup of coffee or something as you're getting ready for your day. But before we go into the major conversations, as usual, let's start with a look at what has been trending in the social space, and of course, the conversations going on there. Nigerians like to air their views on a lot of things, and it's only Nigerians in Africa that are able to create global trends, and the entire world takes notice. One of the trends we were monitoring yesterday, we had a lot of conversations about that and Merci. Of course, you know, the wife of the president.  But there's an office of the first lady, there's a budget for that office, so some people prefer to call her the first lady. She said that, this is kind of surprising, that her husband suffered from PTSD for many years. This is a post-traumatic stress disorder for many years. She narrated how she played a role of physiotherapist for him, and of course said a number of things and people have to react to this. Quite quite quite interesting for her to be this open about things. It's not something you always see. Post-traumatic stress disorder is quite quite quite a very serious issue for a lot of people, you know, whenever they go through things. But what is the reason behind his PTSD? Because there's always something that triggers PTSD, you know, as a human being. Maybe you went through an experience, a bad experience, and each time you're around something that reminds you of that, you begin to have some stress. Now, she said that he had this PTSD for many years, following his involvement in Nigeria's civil war, you know, without rehabilitation. After his overthrow as military head of state and subsequent detention for 40 months, people don't know. A lot of people don't know. I will say remember that. But a lot of people do not know that Buhari was detained for 40 months, you know, without being charged with any offence, you know. So what she said that is a lot of people do not know, not too many people, that he suffered this PTSD, you know, and she also said that his loss of three consecutive elections further complicated the situation. She was confronted with at 19, the age of 19, when she married him and therefore became the unintended physio, or psychotherapist, I think you should say that, psychotherapist for his recovery. This is quite remarkable, Merci. Now, she was a special guest of honor at the groundbreaking ceremony of the armed forces post-traumatic stress disorder center. So that's a good one there. And this was initiated by Mrs. Lucky Rabu, who is the wife of the chief of the defense staff, General Lucky Rabu. So they have what they call Defense and Police Wives Association, the poor. A lot of people know about poor. I'm sure you know the poor center in one city, you and I know. So this is the poor, Merci. She said that she suffered the consequences of that PTSD at a very young age, you know, and the early stages of her marriage to the president. So that's what she said. She also chided, had some words, some strong words, so politicians, you know, who, when they lost the primary election, they become almost inconsolable. Some of them, you know, become unreachable, switching off their phones and everything. But this is quite remarkable. Now, some people have taken to social media to talk about this. Not in a good way, you know, something. Maybe that's why the economy is the way it is and all that. But you know, this is a personal way. People become what they call. I think that the language that people, people use today is vulnerable. I don't like the use of that word vulnerable because it wasn't that before. We use it vulnerable. But that's what people say.  You know, without shielding anything or covering anything or clouding anything up, just be yourself.  It's remarkable. So yes, I mean, that's very remarkable because, first of all, we're used to the phrase or the cliche that says experience is the best teacher. And, you know, evolving, I would say that leveraging on other experience or other people's experience will be the best teacher. And, for instance, the, you talked about the openness and at that point, especially you would say that she's a public figure, especially that she's married to, you know, the president, right? So the, the forum, if you look at the forum where she shared this, it's very apt because it was at the center where you have it's, it's a center for PTSD, right? So I think it was very necessary and it's very bold and courageous of her, you know, to put out that experience right there.  And that's really very encouraging. So I think that a lot of people should actually, for those who were sharing, you know, that experience without the time we should learn from, you know, what she went through and how she was able to handle it. And she talked about handling someone who's actually been the head of state and being overthrown, getting involved in the military, you know, being detained and everything that happened, fighting civil war and what have you without any rehabilitation. It brings us back, you know, to the conversation of the military. I must say this is commendable of, you know, the wife of the defense minister, what has been done. Because if you look at it, the, this, this mental... Chief of defense staff. Chief of defense staff. If you, if you look at this, it's something that happens especially, I mean, this is different issues, but mostly you find the post-traumatic stress disorder with military officers. They go through all of that because of the, you know, their involvement in protecting the territorial integrity. And that's number one, very commendable. But on the other hand, I also think that, you know, where she actually spoke on politicians who are already feeling some type of way losing out for the primary elections when you compare that with her husband at the time who has lost several elections and all that he's gone through. Everyone does not have, you know, the same mental capacity. And usually in the mental, you know, health talk and encouragement or whatever it is, the session, you have people not saying there's no need to be a hash on the people.  And some people can go through some things and come out very tough, but others cannot, they will break down. So if you have some people who are losing, it is not easy to feel. Especially, but that's why over time I've talked about, have you also looked at it?   And that's because we've not been talked to understand that failure is part of the, part of life. We need to understand that we will fail at some point. And so that's it, basically. I think that it was good. But to say that, oh, you lost the primary you're already feeling very traumatized. Come on, you need to do better. You know, this is really deep. This is really deep. You know, the first lady has a way of being open, being honest, you know. And I hope that history will be kind to her. Aisha Buhari, I hope history will be kind to her. I mean, I know her husband's leadership of the country has not been exactly sterling. But she has a way of, once in a while, coming out of silence or breaking a silence to say things that hit home. I do remember when there was an issue with the Aso Rock Clinic. She came out to say that there was nothing there. I mean, she had everything to lose in saying there was nothing there. She's been, I'd log her heads with people in the presidency, we'll call it that, over whether, you know, things are being done right. She's come out to take stands that you wouldn't expect a president's wife to take. I'd log her heads even with the administration. Recently, when she was given an appointment, you know, to head the women's campaign of APC presidential campaign, we'll call it that. She apologized to Nigerians on behalf of her husband. You know, she apologized to Nigerians.  I mean, I know Nigerians were bashed her when she actually put, shared a picture of her daughter-in-law's graduation.  Maybe these are things, and maybe she's also a social media savvy. She's not a professional politician. Maybe she doesn't even understand the implications. I had nothing against her.   Yeah, she has no hand in that, you know. But I think that for some of the things she's actually said, you know, you know it's very fascinating to be that open. Now, what she's putting out, and I imagine someone, Mercy, being getting married at the age of clocking 19, all right, in your husband's house. That's your first marriage.  This person is a soldier, rose up to the rank of general, all right, fought the wars, not one war, at least two wars, joined the army at a very early age, became head of state at a young age, and was deposed in a coup. And then the person was imprisoned for 40 consecutive months. And when he came out, the first thing he did was, you know, the first person you met was him as a newly wedded wife of 18 going to 19. That's a tough one. Yeah, that's what I talked about. We need to move on. But that's what I talked about. Just before we do that. So what I'm saying is it's a deep one. It shows, I think we need to put or give more attention to the mental and emotional state of our soldiers. Very important. If you see the way the soldiers behave, so those were in the backs for a long time, they don't come out. You realize that there's a lot going on. So I think that you... Yeah, sorry, Miss. We don't have the mental, emotional state of our servicemen as well documented as we have that of, let's say, the Americans. We all know they have studies, they have congressional hearings. It's even made movies about it, about what they go through, when they go to wars. Veterans, when they come back, they have a lot of stress. Some of them are homeless. The United States today see them homeless. They can't reintegrate in society because of the trauma of some of the killings, the shootings and everything. So it's important.  Yes, we don't have time, but I think we also have another conversation. Sorry, just to learn, it's important that what she has said, people need to now look at it better and we need to do more. And like you said, we commend the military or defense and prison, police officers, wives association for putting this together. It's very commendable. Very, very commendable. But we move away, and that's why we talked about leveraging the fora which she expressed her thoughts very apt. And I'm hoping that those who were around would actually leverage on the knowledge and the experiences she's put out there so you know how to handle. Paraventure, you're married to an officer or whatever it is. I'm sure that you would learn one or two from that. Even if you were not there, it's okay to read up and learn from my experience. That's one thing. We also have another on the top trending and that has gotten a lot of people talking. Now, endurance can be very sarcastic. You need to go on the social space, especially Twitter. That's where all of the thoughts are. Former acting chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, Ibrahim Magu has been exonerated over the claims that he was involved in money laundering. At the end of the day, I mean we're talking about aiding and laundering 573 million nair. Now that has been clad according to a judgment that was put out. However, it was stated that there was an error long in short of the judgment is that it was banking error that happened. The bank has actually written to say, oh, this happened because we're having an upgrade. It wasn't that he transacted or he paid a certain amount into that account and that's been resolved. But as always, it would not really sit well with a lot of people and so thoughts are that, oh really, is this where we are? Some people feel that the judiciary has not been very honest with some issues. But there are other persons who also believe that. Ibrahim Magu has been clad of every allegation. I mean, every issues that he's been charged with or accusation, however you look at it. But some people are asking that, what is really wrong with the minister of justice? Maybe he should have some question to answer. It's possible. I mean, these are conspiracy theories that possibly that he was going after you know, heavyweights, political heavyweights and that wasn't sitting down with those persons and then he needed to be put out right there. But it's a good thing to say that he's been exonerated. I mean, if that's anything to go by. Let's say, you know, this is the one where people ask, you know, when they say, there's no smoke without fire. Oh, yeah, it's all the question. Well, it's not even fire that has the cause of smoke. That's sort of question to ask. Is this one of those fires that has a smoke or fire behind this smoke? That's what we don't know. So people ask, you know, but it's interesting to note that there's a preacher, a man of God somewhere in this story. And if you remember, there was some revelation, you know, even instead of a media trial, if you want to call it that, of a Brian Magu at the time when it was revealed that he had wired about 573 million naira into the account of this preacher, you can see him there. He is the general overseer of Divine Hand of God, prophetic ministry. So they're saying that then the allegation was that he wired 573 million naira to this man's account. You understand, to this man's account. And that this money was meant to be used or was used to buy property in the Arab Emirates, specifically Dubai, is what the allegation was at the time. So this is basically the court saying, because there was a panel led by Justice Milord Yama, Justice Isa Salami, settled by the presidency to investigate these allegations. Every other time the president was in and out of the country. So the vice president was acting in his capacity. And I remember there was a point where Magu had several screening. So what do you call it again? Yeah, they had to screen him and question him and all that at the banquet hall of Asarok Villa. He went through a lot at the time. So this seems to be a vindication for him.  The question to ask is, justice that has taken this long, is it denied? I don't think so. They say justice delayed, is justice denied? But maybe this is not justice delayed. It's a case of the wheel of justice turned slowly. It's taking a while to vindicate him. And interestingly, they say in the bank has admitted that there was an error in its records. There was an error in its report to the Nigerian Financial Intelligence Unit, which revealed that the XEFC chairman paid that $573 million error into the amount of God's account. I mean, I'm sure the amount of God must have been like, what is the connection between Magu and that man of God? For me, I've always thought about this. Magu is the head of the FCC. As head of the FCC, you don't wake up one day with all the intelligence you have.  Because at the end of the day, if there's some sort of probe, it'll be seen. Okay, what happened? Now, so what he's saying is that the bank, names will help, have to admit that there was an error in its report to the Nigerian Financial Intelligence Unit regarding that amount. The judge also held that the bank claimed that the purported $573 million error was wrongly reflected as credit in the account of the divine hand of the prophetic ministry by its reporting system, which it recently upgraded. I don't know if they, so I don't know if his account balance changed because that's the kind of miracle I'm praying for as well. That's the kind of miracle I'm praying for too. I'm praying for a better miracle, but hey, if you wake up one day and see $573 million error, credit. We need to move on. So, mercy, I mean, but this whole story, so it's strange, and it's really strange. I understand, but how do you explain it now? But it was the man of God who sued, and his wife, who sued the bank. And the judge had ordered, I think, they pay $540 million error in damages. That's actually $540 million, $500,000 error in damages to the preacher, which is remarkable. So, that was his lucky day. That mistake that happened, he's lucky, he's now $540 million, $500,000 error richer. Isn't that amazing? If we reach out, I don't know, but we need to move on to the next one. Yes, yes, yes. All right, this happens to be, very quickly, this happens to be a sort of an open letter, written regarding the situation in the armed forces. I've looked at it, it was written by Sahara reporters, and you know, we are quite careful when we refer to Sahara reporters, but it seems to be exclusive, and the, the- Yes, there's a letter that was typed in, so they just said, they have it. I'm sure the person sent it to them. This is said to be a personnel of the Nigerian Army, who penned an open letter to President Muhammad Buhari, and is demanding improved welfare, improved welfare for members of Nigeria's armed forces. He put his name there as Sergeant Ismaila Kuchodu, but I think that is maybe, he didn't put his real name there to hide his identity. I have been looking at that name since yesterday, whether it's Kuduchiku, I don't know, but it says the military analyst, Federal Republic of Nigeria. So this is what he says. It says, soldier's salary leaves much to be desired. He's addressed an open letter to the president. As a trustee of the armed forces of Nigeria, I humbly wish to address this letter to you, who called us to serve the nation in the Nigerian Army, is the land component of the armed forces, created to defend and maintain its territorial integrity and from external aggression, an act in aid of civil authorities. What's the thesis of what he's saying? He says, Nigeria refills in their responsibility in duty to meet the benefits and services of soldiers, not minding the consequences it will breed with time. And he puts out, it says, painfully we buy uniforms, boots, and other military kits from the same salary to serve Nigeria. He looses a salary breakdown for soldiers per day and per month, you know? And he puts it as, you know, it's, I don't know if we can put it on the screen, but it says warrant officer's salary, 95,000 a year for 31 days, that's a month. He break it down per day, it's 33,064 a year per day for people who have been in service for 28 years. You know, staff sergeant's salary, 84,000 a year per month. That's 2,709 a year per day. Sergeant's salary, 68,000 a year per month. Corporal's salary, 62,000 a year per month. Lance Corporal's salary, 57,000 a year per month. And private salary, 50,000 a year per month. Now he says, to meet financial needs, soldiers involved themselves in illegal duties, sabotage, arms and ammunition deals, armed robbery, and kidnapping. Says to meet the financial needs, the soldiers engaged in kidnapping. You know, this is quite, quite, quite a warring, mercy. It says the insensitive negligence to enhance salary and welfare of soldiers is the cause of mass resignation of trained troops. You know that some time ago there was some sort of mass resignation. So sir, the day soldiers would demand their right will be a sad day for the nation.  This is a warning. And we don't want to see such a day.  But just to add, that if you look at this in the context of how much has been spent, you know, in terms of money's budgeted for the Nigerian army in particular, since this administration came in and also before they came in, in addition to the loans that have been taken for the war against terrorism, it's quite sad to see. Yeah, really sad to see. And that's why first of all, I think that the president and everyone involved should actually, you know, pay attention to this concern that's been raised, probably an investigation because he's also requested that there be an investigation at all of this. Now, but I would say that this is not a justification. The statement that has been made quite an indictment, indictment, the military personally, I mean, that's a lot of it. And it's a good thing. However, we're trying to understand the combination of the names, a Smiler and the other name. It doesn't really sound... It's like telling me you want to understand the name of... What's this guy? This Namdee Kaunu's guy again. So let's move on, but I'm just saying if you look at it. All people just use aliases just so that they hide the identity. The identity, but we understand. But I'm thinking that this is a very strong indictment. And if you were that his identity can actually be revealed. I'm sure that he will be apprehended and he would have to answer for a lot because that's so much to actually spew. But if you look at it, is that a justification? I understand that, yes, the military, with the consent that they have put out and with the fact that you have people who are already in the system. And from every other testimony that you get to, with interaction with this personnel, it's nothing to write them about. We've also seen veterans who are also protesting for some payments. I mean, recently, last week, we talked about it. Some allowances that they are due for and what they are supposed to get, maybe even after they are no longer in the service and what have you. But I would say that it's not a justification for involving in sabotage, crime and all of that, especially when you swan out to protect the country. And that's what it is. No, people, let me land. Yesterday, we talked about the teachers. I also want to say one sentence. No, no, let me finish. So my point here is it's not a justification. If not, let's all of us going into sabotage. It's as good as saying you and I should go carry arms. Because I don't really see any, if there's any administration, I mean any profession where people are properly taken care of. Let the teachers get into the street, carry arms, sabotage, begin to steal and thief, or I mean steal, get into robbery, kidnapping and what have you. The teachers should go in. Now we already see they're complaining. They're not properly taken care of. I mean, everybody should go. You and I, the medical doctors, so you're saying it's not justification. No, there's no justification for committing a crime.  And because they end how much a day in. No, but Kofi, I'm saying that. He doesn't justification. So let's all get into the street and become arms and become kidnappers. Of course, I know that. That's one of the things I also see from time to time. So can I speak Pijit? Oh, that one, that grammar. Not grammar. No, Kofi. Because at the end of the day, it's a situation that has come about because the people who have these weapons and who are trained to kill are not being paid well. And they've decided to do the wrong thing. But when you want to look for a solution, you address the root. And this guy has given the president the opportunity to be aware of what has happened. Maybe he's not aware. And like I said, I don't want that grammar. Why are you talking about it? The things that happen. So what do we do? No, so that's what I'm saying. I'm also saying that. I understand that this situation is addressed. But it's like you can't take the loss into your hands. Yeah, but why are we saying it? What is the effect? Imagine that every other person is wrong. We can't take the law into your hands. Even with the police officers. Are they going to listen to you? And every other sectors are going through. Are they going to take your advice? But I'm saying that if that's the case, let you and I and medical doctors, the teachers and everybody gets to the streets, we pick arms, we become armed robbers, we kick them up and do stuff. You don't have arms to pick. They have the arms. Do you have arms? Do you have to shoot?  What I'm saying is that it's really worrying. I know. Especially with the fact that we need to go for it at the time. Junior soldiers now are the ones conducting the coups around West Africa. We'll talk about that. Thank you so much for being with us. His last paragraph should be something to watch out for. So let's pray nothing happens. And that's it. On off the press, I beg your pardon. We will take a break now. When we return, we'll be looking at the front pages of a National Daily. So call it off the press. Stick with us.


To start us off, this first question came from my boy Kevin. He said, I ain't graven. I don't understand why we don't talk about playoff and Super Bowl runs as a team. The Ravens have a great team, according to their only formula that works for them. Great run game, great tight ends, top 10 defense. Not saying that we don't need receivers, but Tom Brady never won a Super Bowl with a Randy Moss type receiver. Lamar's strengths are short, solid passing, strong running game and top 10 defense. Let's start talking about Ravens as a team, but that we lack receivers. Your thoughts? This is a confusing one. All right, so the Ravens have a great team, according to their only formula that works for them. Great run game, great tight ends, top 10 defense. So how has that been working ever since? Even if you go back to 2002, like obviously 2000, yeah, great run game, yeah. Great tight ends, yeah, yeah, Shannon's job. And top 10 defense, like they had like the negative three top defense because they were higher than top 10. They were higher than number one. So they were just amazing. So that worked for them then. And that first Super Bowl, but then the second Super Bowl, guess what? Guess what they had? Strong running game. They had an opportunistic defense. It wasn't even top 10. It was either 16 or 17. It was one of those two. 16 or 17 ranked defense, but they were opportunistic, so they made plays.  Oh, they traded for Anquan Bowden. Look what that got them. Yeah, a Super Bowl. They traded for talent at the wide receiver position. They had Tori Smith who complimented Anquan. They both complimented each other so nice. Tori Smith and Anquan Bowden. They don't talk about it, what would they do? They would go, oh, can't beat them, didn't join them. The guy who helped them advance in the playoffs the previous year from fumbling those punt returns. Jacobi Jones, he was like, you know what? I'm about to KD this thing. I'm going to the team that just beat me in the playoffs, shout out to them ravers. So they picked up yet another receiver. Who was talented, by the way? Wasn't the best receiver, but he also didn't need to be. But he was the best returner, especially that year. So they got talent at the receiver position. They still ran the ball, but when they needed to pass, they had talent to help. And there were times when Joe Flacco, he didn't have to be always pinpoint accurate. There was so many times when he just threw it up. Whether it be the Torrey Smith, or even Anquan Bowden. There was one play in the playoffs. I think he was in that coach game where he was throwing, I think it was to Tandon Doss, but then Anquan Bowden ran, alpha Anquan Bowden ran and said, give me that. I'm catching that football. It wasn't even intended for him. It ended up being a real big play. So we cannot like, even if you go back 10 years to when the Ravens won a Super Bowl, we cannot eliminate how quality receivers impact this thing, man. We can't do that. The Ravens formula, when the lack of emphasis on receiver, it has not been working. Hasn't been working. This is why me, I talk about it so much on here. And I hope they obviously, I obviously hope they have success, but they gotta put more emphasis on that passing game. Now, when you talked about Tom Brady, he never won a Super Bowl with a Randy Moss type receiver. Well, he sure went undefeated with one. And he sure made it to the, so he didn't win. It was closing. It was a lot of crazy stuff that happened in that Super Bowl, but he went undefeated. When he got the Randy Moss type receiver, he went undefeated. They did not lose a game and then including beating the Ravens in that, oh, that heartbreaking Monday night football game. Ravens were in all black and everything. Oh man, that was a game right there. That was one of, even though they lost, that was one of my favorite games of all time. That's the game that I was at work. And I'll tell you, because I used to work overnight at that time. And I told my manager, oh yeah, I'm going on lunch. That was the longest lunch I ever took. And then I came back to work so sad because they lost. I'm like, man, come on, Ravens. Like, yeah, I'm over here, like taking this three and a half hour lunch and y'all lost, man, come on now. But coaching is a big impact on that too, with Tom Brady. And it's so many different factors. And I just, I never really quite been the big fan of the whole, the Tom Brady, Lamar Jackson comparison because especially when it comes to, because I don't feel like that's a reason that the Ravens should provide less. Because, oh, Tom Brady, he never won a Super Bowl with superstar wide receivers. So is that a significant reason why the Ravens shouldn't provide Lamar with top-notch receivers? Because if so, it's not to me. And then another argument that a lot of people say with the whole pay thing, oh yeah, Lamar Jackson should take less money. No, no, no. Lamar ain't give the Ravens less, so the Ravens should not give him less. But anyway, back to what you have seen. Lamar's strengths are short, solid passing. Why is that his strength though? Why is his strength not deep passing? Is something missing? Has he really like shown, oh man, he not a strong deep passer. Has he shown that? Well, there are a lot of other factors involved. Who has he been throwing the deep passes to? For those deep passes, is there a limited catch radius? Have there been drops? Has he been inaccurate with them? It's just, so many different points with it. Lamar's strengths are short, solid passing, strong running game, top 10 defense. Now are you saying Lamar's strengths or Raven's strengths? Cause when you say top 10 defense, it sound like you're talking Raven's strengths just as a whole. But anyway, he said, let's start talking about the Ravens as a team, but that we lack receivers. So yeah, I mean, let's see, hope eight, this pre-season is, well by the time you see this hit, the first pre-season game might have already been played by now. But the pre-season is going to be the time for where the Ravens, they can show this stuff. They can show what not only the receivers are made of, and they can't really show everything. Cause it's pre-season, they ain't going to be throwing everything out there. I mean, it ain't like they got this super deep playbook anyway, but it ain't like they're going to be throwing everything out there and be like, all right, but the pre-season is where it starts. And then once the season comes around, hey, let's see, let's see what these boys are about. And it's not even the receivers themselves, and hopefully it's not. Hopefully the Ravens will show us. But it's just how, it's just the lack of, again, lack of emphasis put on the receivers. The lack of emphasis put on the passing game. That's what they really need to up. Because you can't be like, you don't, because everybody keeps saying 2019, 2019, in 2019, regular season was great, but it can't be like, all right, 2019, 2019. All right, 2019 regular season, we ran over everybody, ran through everybody. Wow, these Ravens, that running game is so strong. And then the passing game, it was efficient. They had to pass for like 500 yards a game, LeBlanc had, he passed like 150 yards, like four touchdowns. But it was working. But then, so the volume of the passing game, it was low. But then come playoffs, it's like, oh, we ain't about to let these Ravens run on us, like they ran through everybody else. No, we ain't doing that. So now, when you need to switch it up, when you had to switch it up, you got all these receivers drop, except Hollywood, Hollywood wasn't dropping them.  But anyway, you got all these other receivers dropping passes, passes going right through their hands, passes hitting them in the face. And it's like, whoa, is this what happens when we up the passing game? And it was a scary sight. And that is part of my, one of my biggest reasons why I want the Ravens to emphasize the passing game earlier. So come play off time, you have that option and it doesn't catch anybody by surprise, including the Ravens own receivers. Cause that's what it seemed like happened back in 2019. It's like the passing game, oh, we gotta pass a lot now. Oh, we not used to that. So why not get them used to it earlier? Why not put more emphasis on it earlier in the season? So later on, when you need it, you'll be good to go. Yeah, this feels like a dream. No jazz, what I made. What I made. You too, team, keep it clean. You see my boy, he like, out of made it, out of made it. Boy, that's my homie, ain't that right in gravy? Right in gravy. Team Keep It Clean, welcome to another episode of NFL Questions from, from y'all, from Team Keep It Clean. I appreciate y'all, I love y'all. And without further ado, let's get into the next question that came from my guy, Enonik. He said, do they even believe in us? Okay, what's this about? Now, in Graven, hope you and the family are having a great summer. Football is almost here and I can't wait. I just watched your What Lamar Jackson can do with Raven's unproven wide receivers video. And the question you answered touched on a trend the Ravens have continued to follow for most of their recent history, which is not maximizing or developing all wide receivers and offensive talent by expanding our offensive play calling and going all in on top tier wide receiver talent when it hits the market. Coaches seem to have a, don't worry, just send the wide receiver down the field Lamar will run for it mentality. Ooh, that's, that's kind of funny, but that's kind of sad at the same time. Over the last few seasons, former Ravens, Willie Sneeds, he's been seen here, there's Brian, among others have questioned Greg Roman's offensive play calling and route schemes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Roman himself seemed to imply in one of his recent pressers that if Lamar was throwing this wheel in the past, the play calling might have changed. Yeah, that is, that is what he said. That is what it implied. He didn't directly say it, but it is what implied. Cause he's like, oh yeah, well, he's, but again, the quotes too. The quote that was going around, it wasn't, it wasn't what it seemed. Like, it just, there was a lot of little mix up with that. But anyway, he said, remember the playoff loss to the Titans, a healthy, Gus Edwards stood around while a banged up Mark Ingram got carries and we abandoned the run game all together. Yup. My question for you is since our offensive leadership doesn't seem to really believe in our players, would this team be, will this team ever find the success? They are truly capable of in spite of them. Love the channel, keep up the great work. Appreciate it, Enonic. So since our offensive leadership doesn't seem to really believe in our players, will this team ever find the success? They are truly capable of in spite of them. If they don't believe in the players, then no, it would be impossible. Because if leadership doesn't believe in the people that they're leading, then there's not going to be any success. So that's why I'm hoping, I really hope that you're wrong about the lack of belief in their players. But then at the same time, it raises a question in some that we've been saying on here that I just, I don't feel like the Ravens, they fully believe in Lamar Jackson as a passer simply because of how they moved. Because of how they moved, it just has not seemed like they've believed in him as a passer. I hope, and I mean, we're in year five. We're in year five. And it seems like they don't believe in him. Now, it's very important, that's why this year is so important.  And there's just, there seems to just continue to be a lack of providing for him as a quarterback. Now last year, I felt like they did, they did a good job, but injuries messed it up. Like Sammy Watkins, I was like, all right, cool. They signed Sammy Watkins, he can catch, da-da-da-da. But he's always hurt.  And they drafted Tyler Waller, oh, okay. Still had Hollywood back then, Mark Andrews still doing the same, oh, okay, cool. Last year I felt like, all right, cool. But then injuries, they killed that whole thing. Killed that dream. I was just thinking about what if he, imagine all three of our wide receivers on the field at the same time, da-da-da-da-da. But I really, Ravens, they don't have a reason not to believe in Lamar Jackson because Lamar Jackson made everybody believe in the Ravens again. No Lamar Jackson, who knows where the Ravens are headed? Who knows? Well, we know where they were headed before Lamar, but he has continued to give them every reason to believe in him. But I just keep seeing this lack, this lack and especially in certain areas. And it's, you can't do that, man. You got something special with him. You got something, and he is obviously the engine for this team. Like it has been brought up before, like my guy Rodeo talked about. Lamar Jackson obviously isn't the only player on this team. It takes effort from everybody. Lamar Jackson cannot do it by himself. Takes stuff from everybody. But it's important, leadership is such a, so important. It's important that the people at the top, they believe in the people under them and then they believe in the people under them and da-da-da-da. And not even that people are under anybody else, but just that there's a belief in each other.  Hey, I know what you're capable of and I know you're gonna get it done. You know what? You struggle in this area, let's work on it. But let's make it, even if it's your weakness, let's make it the strongest weakness that you ever have had. It's so important that leadership does the right thing. It's so important that they do the smart thing.  That's it. And the Ravens, they are too good of a team with too good of a lot of players for that to happen. And all a lot of us want is just to see got both sides of the ball, not just even on offense, but people on both sides of the ball put in positions of success. Last year, we ain't gonna talk about the offense, but last year we were on defense. We continue to see guys not put in position to have success. They weren't. It's all guys getting dogged on the field. And then they just continue to get put on islands. And it's like, wait, what's going on? A leader cannot be stubborn, in my opinion. A leader cannot be somebody who's stubborn. A leader cannot be somebody who says, all right, it's my way or the highway. If my way ain't working, you know what? It's y'all. It's not me. It's y'all. I cannot have that from somebody in a position of leadership, in my opinion. You can't. Because a true leader, somebody who's willing to admit their mistakes, willing to change stuff if stuff isn't working, willing to make adjustments, willing to say, hey, you know what? That's on me, I was wrong. That's on me. And as far as the Ravens, leadership can come from, front office leadership can come from players. It's not just the head coaches or coaching staff leadership comes from players too. It's everywhere. Leadership can be found in so many different areas of the team. And with leadership, when you lead somebody, that means you got people that follow you. So they're gonna be watching you every move, even if you think they're not watching, they're still watching. So it's important that the Ravens, they really show belief in holiday guys. And apparently, hey, they, I mean, they did try to get some receipts. They didn't work out, but they did try. But they have been saying, hey, we believe in our guys. We believe in our guys. Okay, all right, well, let's see. Let's see how much you really believe in them if you really give them opportunities. If you really put them in positions to show off their strengths, let's see. I wanna see the Ravens show that they really believe in their squad. Next question came from a boy, Nicholas. He said, ain't gravy with the new multi-shell rule for helmets. What would your dream alternate helmet be? I think a purple or white helmet with the shield logo could be cool. Any other ideas? I mean, there's been these pictures. I think there's been a white helmet that I love. It is so pretty. It is so pretty. But with the Raven on there, but it's white and it's just, ooh, that thing is clean. There's also been a purple one also with the Raven on there. So those things just look pretty. And I know there's actually a way that you can order them. I might have to look into that because those things are good. Next question came from Jalen. He said, would you rather? What's up in gravy? I think today is more of a fun hypothetical and I think it's pretty interesting. Would you rather the Ravens keep the same coaching staff and philosophy but sign a superstar receiver like Devante Adams or Jamal Chase or keep the same receivers but bring in Sean Payton and give him full control of the offense? Ooh, that is a, wow, wow. Actually, you know what? I would do both. I'll say, hey, keep doing what you've been doing but bring in an elite wide receiver to help overcompensate and add him to the mix. And hey, if it doesn't work out, then go to the second option and then bring in Sean Payton so he can work with, have full control of the offense. And then, I know that's cheating a little bit but I love this question. He said, P.S. every question I've submitted has made the thumbnail so hope. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So hopefully we can get that streak alive, LOL. Thanks for your time and always putting out quality content. Appreciate it, Jalen. Next question came from my guy, Jarvo. He said, would pre-season games approaching and cuts as well? If the Chiefs cut Josh Gordon or the Jets cut Denzel Mims, should we make a move for them? Well, Josh Gordon, it would depend on what Josh Gordon you're getting. I don't know how he is right now. I just haven't heard much about him ever since he joined the Chiefs and even a little bit before that with his time with the Seahawks but Denzel Mims is another name that has been floating around. I know just today as of this recording he got into a fight at practice so I guess he got that little swag about it. He like, hey, I ain't letting nobody mess with me. Then I don't know, two guys who have underwhelmed or at least Denzel Mims, especially if they cut him, that would definitely mean he's underwhelmed as a jet. But it couldn't hurt. They picked him up, put him on practice squad or something like that. Cause he, what wasn't he, was he a first round? I think he was a first round or was he a second rounder? I know he was one of them too. But I mean, it couldn't hurt but everything would just depend on how the Ravens ended up using the guys that they have now and anybody that they picked up. Cause you could pick up the best of the best but if you don't use them, if they don't get an opportunity then you'll never be able to see any of that talent. Next question came from my guy, Mark. He said, hey man, hope all is well with you. I'm sitting here doing staff duty, military people would know. Anyways, I was wondering, why haven't the Ravens brought back Devonte Freeman? You know what? I was a thousand percent sure. Two guys that I was a thousand percent sure that the Ravens were definitely gonna bring back were Tony Jefferson and Devonte Freeman. I was for sure they were gonna bring them back. Tony Jefferson because he just showed a new Tony Jefferson last year and Devonte Freeman because he was their best running back last year and then they still had their guys coming back from injury. So he would be another year familiar with the system even if it was only for training camp and maybe possibly to practice squad.  They didn't. He said, I thought he was pretty exceptional for us last year and if Gus and JK aren't available, I think he would be better than what we have now. Yeah, I just, I don't know. He ain't speak no bad blood of the Ravens. I know he did a little Instagram post the other day where he spoke highly of the Ravens organization and whatnot. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure why they didn't bring him back. I don't know. They signed Corey Clement a couple of weeks ago. Obviously signed Mike Davis during a free agency still got Justice Hill. JK just got activated off the pub. Gus is still out. Put brought Nate McCrary, signed Nate McCrary to that future reserve contract. Well, last year they signed to a future reserve contract for this year. So I don't know. I just, I have no answers to that question. Next question came from my boy, Colin. He said, what's up in Raven? Do you think there's a chance to Ravens trade for Roquon Smith? No, I don't. He'd be nice, but I would rather, if the Ravens gonna make a big trade, y'all know what I'm headed. He said, with us losing Vince Beagle and not having a job for a long time, he would help this defense a ton. Oh, he certainly could. And just being an amazing linebacker and a great tackler, because that was one of the biggest things last year with Ravens defense, which was a problem was tackling. It's tackling. If they improved on a tackler, ooh, that would just, that would push them so much higher than what they were last year. But anyway, he said, I think it will put us over the top and can get us deep in the playoffs and hopefully the Super Bowl. I don't think adding him would put the Ravens over the top at all. I mean, it'll be nice. He'll be a very, very, very, very nice piece. But I don't think adding a linebacker, who's an amazing linebacker, I don't think that would be the Super Bowl push. I don't think that would help the Ravens. I mean, it would help, but I don't think that would be what got them over the top. I think that would be something on offense. Yeah, this feels like a dream. Oh, just what I mean. You two take, keep it clean. You see my boy, he like, automated. Well, that's my homie, ain't that right in Raven? Right in Raven. Shout out to Raven.


Hello, good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever you are. That's a good question, Will. So, I don't know, I just, it's just being me. So, I guess I always try to do what I thought is the right way to do it. And it allowed me to build up a small company and have my living. But avoiding the tech giants, yes, it was always on my plan to do so. So, in the early days during university, I had an internship at a large tech company and this was so bad experience that I decided to never go there. Predictions for the criminal? Oh, I don't know. This is hard. I mean, it's all going to go towards more accelerators, towards more utilization, towards more performance and whatever. But the use cases are getting brought up. So, it's not only the enterprise stuff getting more attention. It's all over the place and there's a lot of overlap in the application space. So, people have to work closer together to solve these problems. I saw the big tickets, big bits of the RT patch that. So, PrintK is still outstanding. So, the first portion of it just went into RC-1, 510 RC-1. That's the Ringmuffer E-Bright, which took a while because it affects tooling, like crash control analysis and stuff like that and they packed it with some other changes they wanted to do for the fulfillment. So, what's outstanding is, yes, most of the locking core stuff, but that's pretty self-contained. So, aside of Peter hating it, it should be not that contentious. So, the migrate disabled stuff is on the way, I think. And then, that's the big parts. I have a patch that I'm polishing now for the soft IRQ handling on RT, but that's not too bad. Exciting Linux kernel features, hardware features, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of exciting hardware features or not so exciting hardware features on the horizon. People are trying to make it work. So, I don't see anything really outstanding. It's just building on top of what we have right now. So, I think, yes, it's the accelerator stuff. It's the multi-multi-multi-multi device stuff, which you can hand into containers and VMs and whatever, but it's nothing revolutionary. I don't think there is anything which will just turn the kernel around revolutionary in the near future. Maybe the Rust proposal was fun. It might make sense, at least on the driver side. Who will shape Linux in the future? Interesting question. I think there's still room for individuals. You just have to have the time to do so. So, I consider myself as an individual contributor.  So, there's room, but you have to have brocholars to fight against those tech giants. But at the very end, I think even if a lot of the tech giants will contribute most or a big chunk of the kernel, then they still have to agree with each other. So, the collaborative model and the consensus model will not go away. Iron is asking, how did it go with the RT Priority Inheritance Project? What project are you talking about? I think you are referring to the rework where people are trying to go away from Priority Inheritance and walk towards proxy execution in order to make deadline work. So, that's still work in progress, mostly by the folks at PISA University and some others. Michael, so, there is no requirement that the mainline drivers migrate to thread it, I accuse. So, we've just fourth-thread them. You can't fourth-thread them in mainline today. So, they don't care, mostly. So, we've just found a few things in the networking code where people make assumptions that this can't happen, but it happens. But that's rather small and minor issues. And it's not an RT problem at all. So, once you issue fourth-threading on the kernel command line, you run into the same problems without RT. There's a question whether we see more usage of Linux in automotive industry with preemptor T merged in the mainline. I don't think it's really depending on it being merged or not. It's going to be... They are using it anyway. And, of course, it makes it easier for them if it's mainline and if it's going the normal route instead of having an extra patch set or having an extra stable tree and things like that. So, it makes stuff easier, but it's not going to be more usage. I mean, there are tons of options, not. So, Thomas is asking what the issues with tasklets are. Tasklets are interesting.  So, it's a way to do full arbitrary callbacks into software queue context, and it's semantically ill-defined. So, interestingly, a lot of the tasklets users shouldn't be there at all. So, it's just doing arbitrary stuff which could be done in a threaded interrupt handler as well. But it needs to be individually looked at for use case and it's not... You cannot do a wholesale replacement. That will take quite some time. Yes, I think that Linux can see disruption by smaller OSs from the bottom up, but this is not a surprise. Linux has grown out of... Oh, we run on everything from the smallest microcontroller to the largest server thing. So, the smaller OSs like Sapphire and others eat up from the bottom where Linux doesn't fit and can't fit anymore. So, that's a good question. So, yes, Linux, per se, is not a real-time operating system. But we have patches and they are gradually merged which turn it into a real-time system. But it's hard to claim it's really in the tradition of real-time operating systems which were designed for ground-up to support real-time. It's close but it's not mathematically provable. So, it's the best effort but with quite some success. And it's the most scalable real-time system on the planet which runs on launch machines. I haven't looked deeply into EVL. So, I can't even tell what it actually does. So, I have to really defer that question to a different point in time where I actually had time to look at it. No, I haven't written much Rust but I like the concept of Rust. Rust would help to avoid quite some of the problems C brings along, especially with people who are not aware of all the nasty shortcomings of C. So, it's mostly something to make it harder for driver writers to screw up. SIMD in Kernel Space. Interesting question. Without begin and end? I don't know. It's hard to tell because the main problem for that is that if you want to do that in all contexts including interrupts or software queues or whatever, then you have to push to save and push the SIMD state or whatever XSafe state onto the stack at every interrupt entry and that's going to be not cheap. So, that needs a lot more thought than just okay, let GCC auto vectorize code. It's not that trivial because you carefully have to weigh the performance impact of saving the register state on exception entry or interrupt entry versus what you gain in the code itself. I think that you have to try and figure out whether this actually works. I mean, technically it works. It's not the problem. But you have to carefully weigh whether that's something which actually brings a performance benefit versus the overhead of saving and restoring the register banks. Tricia, yes, my main project is to buy a goat farm. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to follow through on that. There's way too much kernel stuff keeping me busy. But someday I might just throw the kernel stuff aside and go for the goat farm. Our team KVM VMs, I think they're still being done. Red Hat, I think does this a lot. Christian, no, I don't know about the page log fairness stuff. I haven't followed that. So, DP DK. I mean, DP DK and the raw sockets you can't compare that. I think what you really want to look at is the question whether you can use XTP bruises, DP DK, which is still leveraging the drivers in the kernel and the whole kernel facilities with all the good things, but has, avoids the overhead of crossing this is called boundaries and things like that. So, yeah, there's an advantage in using DP DK, but the DP DK based on XTP is what I would suggest you look into not or add DP DK, re-implementing a complete driver in user space. That's a total mess. So, Robert. Yes, first case and response time for a generic Linux kernel. Yes, it's maybe 500 milliseconds, whatever. I don't have numbers, recent numbers, but it used to be in that area. But with the preempt or TPatches, it's definitely not at 500 milliseconds. If that happens, that's simply a buck. I mean, we can't prove it mathematically, but we would see it in the massive testing, which is done out there. The only way I can think about is you use some weird out-of-tree driver or something like that or some really badly maintained driver. But you should see the problem already in testing with the proper debug options. So, that would tell you that driver is doing something wrong. But in the generic case, yes. I mean, it's hard to prove, but I don't think so. Kernel tineification, yes. That's an effort which is going on forever, but it's hard for them to catch up. I can't tell what the minimal requirements for a platform is at right now. I lost track of that, but it's definitely not the tiny microcolors microcontroller thing which has a very, very limited amount of RAM and things like that. So, there are investigations out there from other people who say what the minimal requirement is, but I don't know. Drew, one microsecond on the modern Intel AMD server. You're kidding. One microsecond is way less than the hardware-induced latencies can be. And that's something the Kernel has no control over. So, if you look at things like DMA, bus contention or whatever, it's extremely hard to guarantee a one microsecond on such a machine because they are not built for that, as a work case guarantee. I think it's an illusion, but say if you really need to handle that, you should have something which is less complex and there are a lot of approaches out there in the industry where you just use things like FPGAs or some side controller which does the real, real, real hard to achieve one microsecond thing and then you offload this part of the real-time computation to that accelerator or whatever you name it. I think that's more realistically than trying to say, oh yeah, we can do the one microsecond on a modern AMD server or Intel server. I think it doesn't make sense. So, Pankai, yes, it's hard for individual contributors to watch what in multiple subsystems is going on if you want to contribute something which overlaps these subsystems. So, it's hard, even for single subsystems, depending on their activity level, it can be hard to follow. It heavily depends on how you organize yourself and how much time you can spend to actually follow what's going on. There's no general rule for that. versus the patch series which is thrown over the fence every six months and then people disappear.  If it's something which is actually making it easier for your subsystem to be maintained or gives you a better code structure or whatever, then it's worth as a maintainer to actually go there and do the dirty laundry. So, look at it and there's again no general answer. It depends on the quality of the patches or on the quality of the approach. I mean, if the approach is good, why would you throw it away?