Welcome, everybody, to this World Forestry Week special event for those of you who were not paying attention five minutes ago, or who were not here in the room, I am Henry Bonsw, a British Ghanaian based in London. I'm a television and radio broadcaster and I was at the World Forestry Congress in Seoul a few months ago and it's great to see some of you here again today. So, those of you who were in the plenary all morning and into the earlier afternoon, this is going to be what we call in radio a change of gear, different energy. Hopefully we're going to focus on sustainable wood and non-wood forest products, pathways to carbon, neutral and resilient bioeconomy. So, away from the technical language and all the arguments between the member states earlier, we're now going to try and get to the details of how people live their lives, especially in these forests and around the forests, when it comes to the products, when it comes to sustainability, when it comes to livelihood. So, that's what we're going to talk about over the next hour or so. A quick announcement about languages and interpretation, I will be speaking overwhelmingly in English, in English, but for those of you who want to listen in one of the UN's six official languages, then of course you can do so. You should be used to this by now, Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish and the meeting will be recorded and made available after the meeting. So, let's think about why we're holding this session in the framework of the eighth World Forestry Week held under the title growing a better planet. So, it's to provide participants and member, partner organisations with the chance to exchange, connect and showcase best practices and as I was saying, actions on the ground and to contribute from the forest community to the global international debate on forestry and environmental issues. Right, so going down a bit deeper, we've all heard over the past couple of days and because you're here you know this already about all the challenges we're facing from the climate crisis. We all want to build back better without destroying even more of the planet that we've managed to destroy thus far. So, how are we going to do it? Well, we know about forestry and why it's important. So, production, sustainable and consumption of forest products is going to be key. We need to enhance the value of forests but mitigate also against climate change and accelerate the achievement of multiple global goals. You'll hear about that in much more detail from our keynote speakers and from our panellists in a moment or two. So, who do we have on stage and joining us remotely? A Premier League, I would call it, of panellists. Those of you who know football and the world's global sport, you have the Premier League, you have Serie A, you have the Bundesliga if you're in Germany, we're talking about the very, very top level. Right, so we've got some really, really good experts here. They're going to showcase good practices from across the globe. We're going to highlight the transformative potential of sustainable production of consumption of wood and known wood forest production. So, we'll get some examples in just a moment. But first, to our initial speaker, who is madame, is Mahani Eluafi, Fawr's Chief Scientist. A bit of background first of all, okay? So, from 2012 until her appointment in Fawr two years ago, she was Director-General at the International Centre for Bio-Saline Agriculture based in the United Arab Emirates and previously held senior scientific and leadership positions elsewhere. She's going to join us today online from Saudi Arabia. We look forward to hearing from her about how we can strengthen the sustainable use of wood in particular through making better use of research. We know a lot already how we're using it properly and innovation and to harvest their contribution to a more resilient and climate neutral economist because we want to grow but sustainably. So, madame Eluafi, te tabw, the floor is yours. Over to you. Thank you very much for joining us. And for taking me, putting me in the league group. Thank you very much. The Premier League. So, ladies and gentlemen, premier league. See, I'm not so much in football so I'm learning with you how we say it properly. So, ladies and gentlemen, really a pleasure to be with you today and pleasure really to be with you excellencies, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen. It is really my pleasure today to open the special event on sustainable wood and non-wood forest product pathways to carbon, neutral and resilient bio economies. The sustainable use of forest products contribute to forest conservation, enhances the value of forest contribution to rural and urban livelihoods and mitigate climate change. It therefore accelerates the achievements of the global forest goals and sustainable development goals for 2030, including zero hanger as well as climate, land degradation and biodiversity targets. Today's topic resonates very well with the team of the international days of forest celebrated earlier this year, forest and sustainable production and consumption. I had the privilege to moderate a high level event of the international day of the forest in 2022 entitled, Inspire the Future. The role of forest in ensuring sustainable production and consumption at the Expo in Dubai United Arab Emirates. The event was jointly organized by FAO, the International Union of Forest Research Organization and the Swedish University of Agriculture Sciences and hosted by the Swedish pavilion at Expo, a beautiful pavilion fully made out of the wood.  The International Day of Forest underlines that forest sector is contributing significantly to achievement of SDG 12, responsible production and consumption and other related SDGs. The event also acknowledged that there are trades off between ecology and economy in terms of goals related to climate, biodiversity and land degradation. Globally, the forest sector generates green jobs for at least 33 million people. I want you really to remember the number 33 million people and forest products are used by billions of people across the globe. Today, only 25% of total material demand is met by biomass resources, including wood while the reminder is fulfilled by non-renewable resources. This presents a fast opportunity for renewable forest products to contribute to the transition toward carbon neutral societies and build inclusive, resilient, sustainable economies. Ladies and gentlemen, science, technology and innovation plays a critical role in developing sustainable wood and non-wood forest products, cities and communities with engines of innovation and provide new sustainable solutions and options to promote resource efficiency, opening opportunities to attract new capital and investments. We will soon hear from Professor Schleunherber in his keynote how wood can contribute as a renewable building material to this transformation towards sustainable bioeconomics. Local forest-based value chain also supports inclusive economic development. However, they need to further strengthen hybrid trust and dialogue between stakeholders along the value chains and policy makers. It is also worth noting that sustainable wood offers solutions across several value chains, not only in construction, but also as furniture, as packaging, as renewable energy and as bio-materials and biochemicals. This is only a few options among many. Moving forward, we need to work with scientists, partners with private sector and civil society among others to further increase the lifespan of wood products, to reduce waste through more efficient harvesting and more efficient processing and to enhance the cascading use of forest products. At the same time, further efforts are needed to support creation of innovative new products with entries including textile, food, construction material, cosmetics, biochemical, bioplastics and medicine. And also we need more efforts to promote sustainable production and sustainable consumption of wood products. Finally, we have the choice to use these sustainable materials every day. So, let us choose sustainable wood and non-wood forest products. This is one of the actions we can take to sustainability, to utilize the resources of our planet for a better production, a better nutrition, a better environment and a better life, which is the motto of our new strategic framework towards really transforming our hybrid food system. Including the forest product. Thank you very much for your attention and over to you. Thank you very much indeed, Madame Elouafie, for this excellent introduction and apologies for the connection problems, but I can assure you that we heard the vast majority of what you said very clearly. And you got us off to a great start. Yes, sustainable wood does offer many solutions, but as you outlined from the figures you gave us, a lot more needs to be done to increase the lifespan, reduce waste and enhance cascading use. I mean, you know, the potential of jobs 33 million people, green jobs and only 25% of material demand is met by biomass resources, the rest is produced differently. OK, so let's move on, go deeper into this now. I'm going to introduce a short video on the bio economy that our colleagues at Faw have produced to give us a short overview on the topic. Please run the video. Ffynland is all working to make wood the material of the future. Scientists are developing ever more ingenious ways to use wood. At the cutting edge, nanotechnology is creating a new generation of materials. Artificial leather, biomedical devices and even electronics, things you would never imagine could come from trees. Wood made into super durable panels called cross laminated timber or CLT is also increasingly replacing concrete and steel in building construction. This is how we can move towards building carbon neutral homes, offices and schools. Providing housing to a growing population is a major challenge. Around 3 billion people will need new housing by 2030. Using sustainably produced wood as a carbon neutral material can help reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It can also create new jobs and it can be a step forward towards a more sustainable circular economy. Wood fibres are also being used now to make lightweight biodegradable packaging. Nowadays we have quite a wide range of plastics in use in our daily life and it is an estimation that from 40% to 60% of that plastic could be easily replaced with wood based solutions. As this Finnish company has shown, wood chips from saw mills can be turned into toilets, wash basins and bath tops, eliminating the need for porcelain which requires super heated furnaces fed by gas or oil. Our carbon footprint of the manufacturing is almost zero and we get huge CO2 savings when replacing these traditional materials with the carbon neutral biobased materials. Sustainably harvested wood is the way forward. It can help us to build the bioeconomy that we need for the planet's health and economic recovery. Well done to the fellow colleagues for putting that video together. One of two stats jumped out at me and 40 to 60% of plastics could be replaced by wood based solutions and some people don't think that when things are made in wood they look very nice. The finish isn't very good but that finish looked really nice, really good. Polished and it could go out to the market. People might want to buy it and that's what you need to do. You have to get the consumer to want to engage and not feel they're losing something. Bless me one because it's now my pleasure to introduce a speaker who will further frame and set the scene for us today. Mr Joachim Schnellnwber is director emeritus of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research which he founded in 1992, so 30 years ago. He's also distinguished visiting professor at Tsinghua University in China and a member of numerous learned societies. We're going to hear from him in just a moment or two and he's been working intensively on the transformation of the built environment and the potential of wooden buildings as carbon sinks. He's co-founder of Bauhaus Earth and those of you who know your history know about the Bauhaus movement of 100 years ago and a member of the new European Bauhaus high level round table. So, Mr Schnellnwber, we look forward to your reflections on how we can reconstruct our climate with forest products. Over to you, sir. Thank you very much. I hope you can hear me. We can. And I'm very glad to join this seminar actually. I'm also glad to meet again at the distance Ismahan because we were together in the Vatican precisely one year ago at the fall of October 2021. So I will try to share my screen with you and let me see. It's always a moment of tension, but I guess you can see my slide. Is that right? Can you see it, please? Okay. We can see it very clearly. Okay, in German. Thanks a lot. But now in English, please. So please now in English. Okay. Good. Good. I'm going to show you this right now. So we recently had Germany's hosting the G7 summits this year and in Potsdam, my hometown, we had a meeting for the first time, the ministers for urban development came together. I was asked to give a keynote about this. So you see me with Chancellor, German Chancellor Olaf Schwartz here. And I gave actually in a way a very similar talk using this reconstructing the future that the future will be decided in cities in a built environment, but as I said in my title slide, it's really the co transformation of cities of urban space and land use. And when we talk about land use, power of course is primarily concerned with food production and so on. But actually, the products from forests from trees are extremely important, as I will show you now. Japan will actually host the next G7 and they will continue this track for the ministers on the built environment. And actually, after my keynote, I was asked to go to Japan, because it was picked up at the highest level with theme of the built environment. I will be a meeting in Tokyo with the emperor of the prime minister. I was asked to give the keynote. And it's all about this co transformation of the built environment and land use. I'm going to show you, although time is short, but it's, I think, a very impressive little movie I show you how our culture, our civilization was built actually through cities. So this starts some 4000 years before the modern era and goes into our time. Yes, so you will see flashing up personally Mr Potemia, of course, the first great cities. So, if you see, you have Urug and Ur and others, and the first city of all was Eredo, by the way, when we had Memphis and Heliopolis in Egypt. When you see the cities sort of wandering towards Iran and then to India, you see the first city popping up in China. Troy was created and destroyed. You see cities appearing in Europe and in the Americas. Catash, Rome, actually, and if the Roman Empire cities are moving towards Europe, Northern Europe, London was just popping up. Now we go into the face of the late Roman Empire. You will see cities spreading all over the old continents. If you like Barcelona just popped up. Now we go towards the medieval climate of Timom, the 11th and 12th century. Lots of cities are being founded. And there is a certain stagnation with the little ice age, but now we go towards the industrial revolution and now you see what is going to happen. You have a revolution, an explosion of urban space, actually. Now what I tried to demonstrate with those little movies is that unless we are able to tame in some way and to transform in a sustainable way this dynamic of development on Earth, when we will lose all the wars against climate crisis, against biodiversity loss, against sort of shortage of food and so on. So that is my message.  We have to go towards what I would call a smart circular bioeconomy with a capital bio because the future sort of stuff from which civilization is made is all renewable biological regrowing.  So this is the famous Paris agreement, global warming has to be limited to well below two degrees. And actually, there's a higher ambition level that's restricted to less than 1.5 degrees. I'll comment on that in a minute, but first of all why this two degrees. Now, this is based on what we developed the so-called tipping points, tipping elements theory in the climate system. These are the vital organs of the global environment. So you can pick your favorite tropical or coral reefs, the Amazon rainforest, the Fermi Alliance circulation, the Gulf Stream, the Great Ice Sheets, and I give you just two illustrations why it is important. So first of all, Greenland, the Greenland Ice Sheet, if it melts down, sea level rise globally will rise by seven metres. And then on the right hand corner, upper corner, you see the Greenland lost in 2019, 1 million tons of ice per minute. So this is an almost mind boggling dynamics. And the second, which is a very, very worrying result, recently published in Nature, the tropical premotality has more or less doubled in the last 30, 40, 50 years. So the lifetime of tropical forests, even untouched ones, has cut off. And that has to do with the climate changes, actually the changes in precipitation, in humidity, in insulation and so on. This is a very, very alarming result, actually. So it's not just keep the forest sort of protected, let nobody intrude the area, miners, whatever farmers know, you have a long distance influence on the tropical forests by climate change already. So this is the summary and where all these tipping elements could collapse, and I do not go into the details.  Greenland, Western Arctic ice sheet, are actually threatened by 2 degrees and so on. So we are in a very, very, very risky situational area, and we have to desperately look for solutions and of course, one part of the solution is renewable energies, carbon neutrality and energy production and so on. But this is not the full story. The other part of the story is related to land units and forestry. We have already 1.2 degrees warming, so we are very close to the first ambition level of the Paris Agreement. And this is a sketch, actually, of the situation we are in. So you see the timeline on a horizontal axis 1900 to 2200. Now this is historical evolution of the climate, so we have now already 1.2 degrees warming, as I showed you. And under business as usual, this will happen. We will go far, far beyond the Paris red line, so to speak, 2 degrees and so on. I personally don't think we can hold the 1.5 degrees line. So this is the only realistic scenarios in my eyes and in the eyes of most of my colleagues that is overshoot. So try to stop global warming slightly above 2 degrees and then try to work yourself back over the next one, two centuries towards 1 degrees warming, but how can this be achieved? And it is achieved, as I will show you, so you need negative emissions. So there's a lot of talk about buildings for climate neutrality, but we need to be even climate positive. We need negative emissions, that means we need net extraction of historical CO2 from the atmosphere. And the IPCC thought, well, this can be done in particular through back spiral energy with carbon capture and storage. This will not work at scale in my view, it will be too expensive. So there's a better solution and the better solution is that it turned our cities, which are built now from steel and concrete and so on and plastic and glass into, yeah, if you like constructed forests using timber. In particular, you can also use bamboo, you can use all types of filling materials and so on, but it has to be fine based stuff. And you can show actually that you can remove tremendous amount of CO2 from the atmosphere if you turn our cities into built forests and give you just the end of the calculation. So this is the plan to by logging and so on, you extract timber, harvested biomass from the forest. Of course you do immediate replanting of sustainable forestry. So you close the first loop, and you build the houses and the infrastructures in a way that you can disassemble easily so no toxic loose and so on. So you can use a timber element for free five times whatever for centuries actually. And if you close both loops, you have something what I might call, what you might call the forestry construction to clean up the atmosphere. So I give you, I give you the end of the calculation. And in order to restore the climate, that means to remove significant amounts of historic emissions, we have to all together add and support about 500 billion trees on this planet, and we have to build about two billion structures from our homes. So that will undo most of our historical emissions actually. This is the nature based solution. And as you know, we have about almost a billion hectares of degraded land on this planet. We did a publication just recently in Nature Communications, where we showed, if you want to house additional two billion people, our world population is still growing, based on bio materials, when you need about 200 million hectares of reforestation, reforestations, plantations and so on. And when you see how the mix would look like in the year 2100 on the right hand side, 90% of these buildings would be built from timber or from hemp and other things. And there's a trade off of course. I mean, you use degraded land and there's plenty of land around, but even more important is that you have to change your land use in a way and actually face one part, which will be reduced in the future needs to be reduced to a nice chosen. So, beef production has to be reduced actually in favor of producing of production of timber. So, let me conclude by reminding everybody that there was once about 100 years ago, a revolution in architecture design and reforestation, that was the Bauhaus movement. And we now argue that we need a new Bauhaus movement. And this was picked up, for example, by Ursula von der Leim. She declared the new European Bauhaus, the chest to go global of course in the future. I have personally been involved in establishment with the Bauhaus Earth. And it's all about the co transformation of the built environment and land use. So we had a very nice conference at the Pontifical Academy of which I am a member in Rome in June this year and you see was a laugh on the line gave the keynote speech. We had the chairman minister Clara Gaiwitz for the built environment. We had work class architects, intellectuals, Cardinals and so on. It was a work class event and the idea was bringing together in the spirit of the Bauhaus as a, if you like, a sum construct, all the sectors that need to bring about this co transformation. Final remark is, we have fantastic tools available now, whether you want to do sustainable forest management, or you want to build skyscrapers from timber, we can use advanced tools from digitalization with quantum computing will be much, much better. So in the end, we will be able to bring together technology, the most advanced technology based on digitalization and natural material. And we call it, and this is the final statement of the Pontifical Academy on at workshop. It is about re entanglement. And it means we bring together no tech that is natural materials and high tech that is advanced machine work. So that's all I wanted to say. It's an exciting story, but we have to hurry up because we have lost many, many years and the climate crisis will not wait for us. So, hopefully, Fawr can make a very important contribution to this transformation. Thank you very much. Thank you very much indeed Professor Sinellan Huber. He gave us a history lesson, a fairly scary one. If you look at the impact of the Anthropocene over the past how many 10,000 or so years impact on our climate, the rise of the cities I saw London came in, Londonium very late in the day compared to the cities in North Africa. And the Middle East. And if you consider how we began, we looked at possible desirable futures. And the professor was telling us what will happen if we carry on as we are or if we don't adapt and mitigate enough, we're headed for a very undesirable future. I use that language because I've been spending a bit of time with futurists at the UNFCCC, the people who do the cops. And they're really hot on this now. All right, so we're going to have a special presentation now. It is the Forest Product Outlook Report. It's being launched today. It's brand new. I'm delighted to say I have Taïs Linares Juvenal, who is team leader, forest governance and economics at Fawr. And Taïs is going to do the presentation and launch the publication. Please come up. Now, if you know Taïs as I do, you will know she deserves more of a round of applause than that. Please. There you go. Taïs, people want to go. Okay, so Taïs, could you please tell us what are the main messages of the report? Thank you. Very much, Harry. You're always very good to speak, being cheered by you. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for being here. It's a great honour to... That could be me. Let me get out of the way. It could be me. I'll go down. I think it's a great honour to be here and present the Global Forest Sector Outlook 2050 on behalf of our Deputy Director, Tina Bahane. Taïs, if you move away from the podium, perhaps you need to move away from the podium. I think yes. I think so. I hope I am better in producing reports than dealing with mics. Anyway, thank you very much for being here today. We are launching this new FAO working paper, which is a SOFO backpump paper that was used for producing the SOFO 2022. We are bringing up new evidence to support policymaking for a sustainable bioeconomy. Basically, we had two questions in mind. The first question is, what is the required production to sustainable supply future demand for wood products up to 2050 in a business as usual scenario and then in a bioeconomy scenario? We have just heard presentations on how we can increase the use of wood in construction, but what do we need to support this transition sustainably? Also, what are the policies and investments that we need to ensure that this transition to a wood-based bioeconomy will happen? I won't bring you a lot of data here because we have a very few time you can go to the publication, but just a few highlights of what we have found. Just a very quick look into the methodology. Basically, we built a business as usual scenario using the global forest products model. It's a very used model for those working with projections in the forest sector. We built a bioeconomy scenario 2050 based on the consumption of two products which already have a consolidated market, which is the mass timber and the man-made cellulose fiber, MMCF. What have we found? We found that on a business as usual scenario, the global consumption of primary processed wood products would increase by 37% until 2050. Eastern Asia will lead this expansion with a consumption of an increase of 41%, but the most perhaps critical alert we have here is the role of Africa. We know that Africa is a big forest region. However, Africa today is already a net importer of wood products, and the consumption of wood products in Africa is lagging behind. It's going to increase less than the projected growth in income and population. Then we come to the bioeconomy scenario. What we see from the bioeconomy scenario is that we might be speaking of an increase between 98 to 272 million cubic meters triggered by the additional production of mass timber and MMCF. It can be an increase if we increase the use of these products in the transition to a wood based bioeconomy, this increase by 8 to 23%. The mass timber is the most consolidated market, but we can see here that also the MMCF has an important percentage. The other important question we had, what's going to happen with wood energy? Wood energy, the situation is a little bit more uncertain. When I say uncertain, it's because we have many different scenarios. We know that the data on wood energy is much less reliable than for the other products. But we can say that the increase assessing all the scenarios that the global consumption volumes of fuel wood from forest in 2050 may be between 2.3 billion and 2.7 billion cubic meters compared to what we had in 2020, which was 1.9 billion cubic meters. So we also know that wood fuel will remain the main energy source for many households in emerging economies until 2050, but all the scenarios point out to some sort of a slow down in the increasing rates. This means that we suppose that, not far from 2050, the increase in consumption of wood fuel will pick. So what are the investments required to produce these primary processed woods to meet this filter demand of 3.1 billion cubic meters in 2050? So it may amount to 25 billion US dollars per annum from 2020 to 2050 to set up new products and units and modernize the existing industries. And this amount will be increasingly located in emerging economies. Additional investment required to produce mass timber and MMCF to substitute for non-renewable materials may be between 1.4 billion and 2.5 billion per annum. So it's a small percentage of the increase of the already expected investment increase. Providing the related industrial roundwood supply from forest plantations would require 1.4 billion to 4.5 billion in investments per annum. So for anyone who understands how the forest industry works, if we have increasing investment in the industry, we have to have also investment in the forest. And this is supposed to amount to something between 1.4 billion and 4.5 billion. Increasing productivity in forest and forest based industry might mean a moderate increase in employment. And there are two main key methods here. Employment might increase not much, but the quality, the type of the employment in forestry will change. We will have increasing productivity and we will need much more skilled labour. We then require solid education and training to meet the transition to this wood-based bio-economy. So while naturally generated forests present a trend of stability that's the trend we have seen from the policies we had regarding this type of forest, we understand that then the supply of wood to meet the projected consumption will most likely come from planted forests. So, in a business-as-usual scenario, we would say that at least 33 million additional commercial plantations could be sufficient to meet the 2050 demand growth if the production from naturally regenerated forests remains stable, if 70% of residues are used as virgin wood fiber substitutes, if the average productivity of forest plantations is substantially enhanced to meet 15 kWm hector per year, and if varying modalities of planted forests and production systems are in place, we are under here, we are including agroforestry. So what are our takeaway methods from this publication? The first is that in a business-as-usual scenario primary wood products consumption in 2020-2050 will grow more than the population growth due to higher income in emerging world regions. That we also know that the bio-economy scenario depends on the effectiveness of acceleration of decarbonisation of economies. So it basically depends also on policies how this is going to happen and whether it's going to happen. The study does not identify wood supply gaps, and this was our primary question. Will we have a wood supply gap? No. But signals that policies and productivity will shape the source of supply, naturally regenerated forests, planted forests, including plantations, agroforestry, those will be the sources. Proactive management of fewer wood resources is needed to meet the future demand of traditional wood fuel without compromising the sustainability of remaining ecosystems. So we need to tackle the issue of management of fewer wood. Forest ownership structures, business model supportive of inclusive forest development, private capital mobilisation and overall land use planning will be crucial. We need to think of land use, we need to think of the ownership and how to get the small holders into forest production. Personal objectives must be linked to forest sector development targets, restoration, climate change, sustainable growth. So we cannot think forestry in isolation, we cannot think forest production in isolation. Forest production needs to be integrated with the other forest policies and in particular forest restoration. So if you are thinking about what kind of models we will have to provide this supply. Before I finish, I wanted to thank ITTO and Sam Satikura who is here. This report is a collaboration with ITTO and with Unique Consultancy. I hope you can access to download the report today and you will have much more information and findings there. Thank you very much indeed. You do have permission to lead the stage. Wonderful. That was great. Thank you very much indeed. So that was your introduction to the Global Forest Sector Outlook 2050. The huge amount of information well worth dwelling on. So let's build on all of this, what we've heard thus far, with our panel. I did say we have a Premier League panel, guest speakers this afternoon. They're going to share their experiences and perspectives. Let us welcome and some of them will be online somewhere here in the room. Erchwe, Marsial Maidu, Executive Secretary of the Central African Forest Commission from Cameroon. Erchwe, Maidu. Ah, no, that's me. Erchwe, you're there? Is he remote? He's online, yes, okay? We have Ross Hampton, I know Ross is here, Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Forest Products Association. That's Erchwe. Bwnghio, Rw'n Herfey. We have popwys Bwsissa Shola, scientist, the national resources, governance and bioenergy centre for international forestry, research and world agro forestry, C4Icraft. Bwsissa Shola, hello to you again. I remember you when we sat together in Seoul in Korea. a we have Sheem Sakuru, who is here, Executive Director of the International Tropical Timber Organization, which was a partner in the Global Forest Sector Outlook. So thank you very much, give them a round of applause please. And we also have Janina Dianne de Abru-Sardiniers. I know I've mashed up your name and sorry about that. Associate Professor, University of Brasilia, the campus is Plant Altina in Brazil. Janina, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much indeed, okay. So they're all going to answer questions which I'm going to put to them. I'm going to ask you to be as brief as you can in your replies because we are running significantly over and people have not yet had the chance to eat and I want them to feel nourished, sustainable and circular. Okay, you're very good. If a human being can be circular, it may be possible. Right, okay. Erwe, I'm going to start off with you and think you may be speaking in French or in English. In French or in English? Erwe. Okay, I'm going to ask you the question. I'm going to ask you the question in English because I'm going to ask you the question in English. Please, can you elaborate briefly why forest matter for sustainable agrifood systems and livelihoods in Central Africa? Do you have your earphone? Do you speak French? Yes, I do. Do you need it? Avant que vous commencez, before you speak, before you comment, we need the answer. Mumo, si'n gwych. Desenstant, desenstant, you need your interpretation. Mumo, do we have the interpretation headsets? Yeah, need to. For the speaker. Can you speak any French? We don't have it. Yeah, we can, Henry, we can understand. Okay, you understand. Okay, yes, it's good, it's good. Okay, fine. Okay, Erwe, go ahead, you have the floor. We have about 100 million inhabitants who directly depend on forestry resources. And as you know, we have our communities that live inside Korea. We have a community that is completely divided. It is known that we are in the middle of the season of the new year today. And for the COVID-19 pandemic, we are working with the different partners to structure non-linear products so that we can evaluate the community in the framework of convergence. And non-linear products are treated in the priority framework of convergence in terms of the value of forestry resources. And when I say that once the forest exists more, we will not be able to ensure all the good that this community has been able to do. So, when our communities are in the forest, they do the record. They don't have the trees to be able to pick up shambunions, shenys, etc. They naturally contribute to the avoidance of deforestation. And I think it's a sustainable way to be able to manage our forests. We have been working for many years with some partners to make a place in the ministries because these are resources that bring a lot to our national economies, without being counted in the PIB. It's really a shame. We are trying to go very slowly so that we can integrate forestry products in the non-linear systems of our organizations. And we are also going to strengthen with the PIB, in particular, we have worked with the FAO, through two sub-regional projects, you can already try to organize the data files so that they make them more accountable in the national economies. And so, therefore, we estimate that the presentations that were made earlier for the more advanced transformation, for the industrialization, it would be nice to be able to guide some reflections on the more advanced transformation of forestry products in the non-linear system in order to reduce the impact of the harvest on the forest. So, very quickly, how can I say the role that I want forestry products in the non-linear system and the link with the avoidance of deforestation? Merci Monsieur Madhu. Thank you very much for your initial thoughts. It's very clear from what you said that the forests are an integral part of the economy and bioeconomy of Central Africa, particularly some of the countries that have been very concerned at the plenary earlier on, like Cameroon and Diolchongo. Let's move to Ross Hampton, who's been chief executive of the Australian Forest Products Association for nearly 10 years now. So, you've got a lot of skin in this game. You started out as a journalist, like I am, but you're really deeply invested in this now, environmental protection, circular economy, climate change and sustainable forest management. So, I can ask you this, what effort is the private sector taking to foster sustainable wood value chains as a contribution to circular bioeconomy and climate neutrality? Because the private sector are often seen as the bad guys who just want ever higher growth, consumption and mercantilism. So, over to you. That's true, Henry, but in fact, I'm actually the chair here too of the FAO advisory committee on sustainable forest-based industries, the interface between the director general and the private sector. You're right what you say about the private sector and its involvement in this space, but in my view, we've got to turn that around. The private sector really should have Superman capes on, because if we think about what has to happen here to save the world, we could talk at length about all the things that our industries are doing to become more climate neutral themselves, but that's not the big picture, electric forklifts, electric trucks working with farmers to do a carbon neutral beef. But the really, the big challenge here that Thais has laid out for us and the professor is to grow more timber in the world in a sustainable way that looks after all of these values. I mean, if we consider what was just said about the built environment, do you know the World Green Business Council says that the buildings from here to 2050 in cubic metres are going to equal pretty much the buildings from here back to the beginning of time. That's what we're going through. If we don't, as the Potsdam Institute has said and as Thais and FAO has said, if we don't find a way to meet that growth sustainably, it will be met in a very carbon negative way. So, I hope you don't think I'm putting on a carbon fibre based, you know, nanocellulase based uniform here because we have to work with the private sector. There's no way that governments and philanthropy can meet the demand. We have to find the mechanisms, the new generation funding mechanisms that will grow more trees, help ITTO in the tropical forests, help the Europeans with their work, help Australia, New Zealand, Brazil where we grow more straight rows of trees, do it in a way that is climate smart and environmentally friendly, but we have to do it urgently. Otherwise, we face that dystopian future that Professor Schlellenhubber was talking about. Correct. Let's go over to Dr Fosiso Sola, who is a scientist at Seafore Yclaf, working on national resources, governance, bioenergy and development of sustainable agroforestry value chains and current work focuses on governance of wood fuel and to give a very powerful presentation I remember in Korea at the World Forestry Congress. So, Dr Sola, let me ask you, I mean FAO estimates that half of the wood is extracted from forests and it's burnt and used as an energy source, something that you emphasize. It's the way people actually live in their tens of millions, particularly in parts of Africa that you're very concerned about. So please elaborate on the importance of wood fuels for the livelihoods of these tens of millions of people and also talk about the pathways to promote the sustainable use of wood energy because you said in Korea we have to live in the real world, not in some fanciful notion of where people are at the moment. Dr Sola, over to you. Thank you very much, I hope you can hear me. We can. Yeah, really the main challenge when it comes to energy is that people need energy for cooking and heating. I was just looking at some statistics this morning that in 2006 about 86% of the world's population had access to electricity and 13% didn't and of that 13% two-thirds are in sub-Saharan Africa and energy has to be available, clean energy has to be affordable and at the moment clean energy is not affordable for most people in sub-Saharan Africa especially. You find that between 2000 and 2020 most countries really, really increase their populations that have access to electricity and clean cooking, but countries in sub-Saharan Africa are trying to increase the number of people that don't have access to clean cooking and clean energy because the pace of development of clean energy is not up to speed with the increase in population in sub-Saharan Africa. So even if there is some development but population is still increasing more than there is access to clean cooking. So really the challenge is how do you keep up with the growing population to ensure that everyone is connected to the grid, everyone has access to LPG and they can afford to be able to pay for the for the electricity bills and to be able to fill up for LPG. The challenge is with pandemics most people have been falling into the low income status again and not being able to afford clean energy. The challenge that we have that I put out there is that wood energy is not going anywhere. We are not saying we want to replace wood energy. Transition is still a fantasy for most people and a long way coming. What we are saying is can we reduce the proportion of wood fuel in the household budget? In most countries we are staking, people use different sources of energy for different kinds of meals and for boiling water. Can the government, the private sector, come in to ensure that people have access to affordable and clean energy so as to reduce the amount of wood fuel in the household budget? One thing that we can do is really to make sure that wood fuel value chains are sustainable. We need to make sure we diversify and improve the feedstock that is used for wood energy, especially for charcoal. We need to make sure that the carbonisation technologies actually are more efficient. We did a small study and we could increase the output of charcoal by 40%, but we need investment in better kills. Properties kills that farmers can use, not one that will actually increase tragedy at the same time. We need to improve the cooking devices such that the less energy is being used in cooking. We need cleaner cooking stoves, cooking appliances that people can use. The challenge right now is that the clean cooking stoves especially, they don't have a developed supply chain, they don't have a developed value chain. Once your stove breaks you need to replace, you can't have it fixed and therefore people go back to unclean cooking methodologies which actually have more pressure to producing more wood fuel and more charcoal. So we really need to invest money to invest in technologies from the production to the consumption to ensure that everyone can improve their livelihoods, they can cook their meals, they can improve their nutrition, they can reduce diseases by boiling their water. For now I'll stop there. Thank you. Very good, thank you very much indeed Dr Sola for giving us the picture on the ground and the gap between the aims and the ideals and how people are really living in their tens of millions. Well let's go to Latin America now because we have Professor Gennainia Diana de Abru Sardiniis who works as a professor at the University of Brasilia. The main research topics include family farming organisations, non timber forest products and socio biodiversity value chains mainly in the Amazon and Cerado biomes. So Professor thank you very much for joining us. So let's talk about this, here's a figure 50,000 wild species use worldwide for food, for medicine, energy, income, cultural identity and other practices supporting half the world's population and about 70% of the world's poor. So here's a question, I mean you've been involved in the thematic assessment of sustainable use of wild species of the intergovernmental science policy platform on biodiversity and ecosystem service, big title. Question is this, what are the key findings of this assessment? And coming from Brazil, how do you see the relevance for non wood forest products when we're talking about sustainable development in your region? Over to you Professor Gennainia. Thank you very much for the perfect pronunciation, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and good morning, Elsa, because I'm speaking from Berlin in the Brazilian Amazon. Thank you for the invitation. First of all, in the US report is understood that wild species doesn't imply a complete absence of human management and various intermediate states and domesticated species are recognized, but introduced populations are excluded in the report. So considering especially non wood forest products, the key findings are that wild plants as well as algae and fungi provide food, nutrition, diversity and income for one in five people around the world, in particular women, children, landless farmers and others in vulnerable situations. People in vulnerable situations are often most reliant on wild species and are most likely to benefit from more sustainable farms of use of wild species to secure their livelihoods. So the potential contributions for sustainable use of wild species to meeting the sustainable development goals, for example, they are substantial, but largely overlooked. In Europe, for example, the value of non wood forest products is estimated in 23 billion US dollars per year. And in other countries, as in Latin America and the Caribbean, many of these products are invisible in national accounts. And where's the importance of policies for statistical surveys? One of the biggest challenges when we talk about non wood forest products also associated to informality. Gathering is often assumed to be an activity more prevalent in the global south. And however, estimates of individuals and households that participate in gathering in Europe and North America range from 4 to 68 percent with the highest rates of gathering by household in Eastern Europe, often regardless of economic status. And for some regions policies to give greater visibility to the production of non wood forest products and formalization of the actors involved in the value chain are as more relevant for them for agriculture activity, for example, especially if we consider the need to conserve biodiversity, vegetation and other native areas need to be standing. And that is why we need policies to support the financing of non wood forest products value chains to improve livelihoods of indigenous peoples and rural communities who depend on this resource as building capacities on sustainable harvesting, practice and processing, including on quality and safety standards as Thaïs Juvenal told earlier. And the concerning examples of recent spirits that confirm the relevance of non wood forest products for local and regional sustainable development in Latin America and the Caribbean, where Brazil is situated. We can mention the case of Brazil and other countries in our region. For example, seed collections and commercialization for restoration and inclusion in agroforestry systems to contribute to the best of local production systems, such as the single seed networks and other recent created with we have this in the report, which has the participation of indigenous and local communities. Also in many regions of Brazil, we have a list of more than 30 non wood forest products that we call social biodiversity products. Most of them fruits with a high level of nutrients and other important properties being bought for school meals, not to mention an increase in demand for other industries such as cosmetics. Most of them with forest and fat rate certification. Conservation units for sustainable use and implementation of processing units related to collective organizations such as associations and cooperatives are increasing participation in national and international funds public and private to promote non wood forest products value chains in inclusive bio economy. Other challenges can be mentioned in this case such as climate change that will affect future of wild species both negatively when making possible resources to explore exploitation more intensively and affecting positively technology and has monitoring surveillance and enforcement. I'm going to take advantage of your breath there to intervene and say that we are running over time and interpretation interpretation will stop in 10 minutes. Interpretation will stop in 10 minutes which means we don't have much time at all. So please please conclude your remarks. Thank you very much indeed and now we move to the executive director of the international tropical timber organization which is a key role in this session. Thank you. You took office in February this year and before that you were the ITTO's director for operations. You've got lots of experience in international law and trade negotiations, collaboration etc. So I would like to know and we've seen a snapshot of the forest product outlook and those important trends but your take-home messages from this study what are they and what's your outlook for the sector in the years to come. Thank you for that question Henry and first of all can I thank the organisers of this event for the privilege of being here to talk to all of you and I can only say that I have to very much agree with the outlook with the content of the outlook study naturally because I did your part at FAO in producing that report. Now in terms of what tropical forestry can do I'm sure everybody is aware that tropical forest constitute 45% of global forest areas and ITTO as an organization we actually cover or our members cover 74 members 50-50 divide between producers and consumers our members account for 90% of the international trade in wood products now that's big that's big. Now again thank you to all the keynote speakers today and Thais and of course our very distinguished panel members for their inputs to this conversation and I can only highlight a couple of key items which I think would constitute my outlook for what we should be doing. Number one the interface between government policy and the private sector needs to be accelerated ASAP we have heard how urgent the situation is we must act fast we must act now. Private sector cannot act on its own neither can government policy implement itself on its own. Number two in order to accelerate this process private sector need fiscal and non-fiscal incentives they need to understand what is it that brings them the value we have private sector in developed nations that have been involved in such efforts for more than four decades perhaps but the private sector in developing countries they are reasonably new to the big thinking I'm not saying that they are behind there we have a number of big producing countries for example Brazil Indonesia Malaysia and the smaller ones like Gabon our African member countries Thailand the Mekong Basin they are all catching up but they need a clear way forward in how to accelerate this the next thing is I think what needs to be focused upon by all of us which includes government which includes all stakeholders and audiences it includes the private sector the interface between forests and climate change rely central rely central to climate change challenges we hear so much about people talking about how important forests are and how important our stakeholder audiences are which includes of course indigenous people local communities women youth I'm not excluding men and everybody else I'm saying in addition to let's not forget 10% of the world population lives in extreme poverty due to the current global challenges I will not go into what they are we all know what they are post COVID and also the current instability that we are all currently facing my fear is that this will impact on the levels of deforestation which in my view we had peaked we had peaked and we had reached and we had then reduced the rates of deforestation if anything impacts on that increase rate of deforestation in the five years to come it'll be due to the current situation that we are in now and that rate of deforestation will not just be in the tropics it will also be in developed countries we are already seeing the repercussions where rates of felling the rates of industrial production is increasing sure planted forests are the way to go but let's not forget many developing countries still rely on their natural forest resources also for revenue and income would fuel use that can also change dramatically in the next few years due to the energy crisis and the prices the affordability as one of our panel members mentioned earlier is so important and ITTO has implemented more than 1200 projects on the ground they are all on the website please take a look at the wonderful work and the wonderful achievements that an organization that ITTO can help everyone with we have even implemented projects on decarbonised carbon decarbonised charcoal sorry enriching the livelihoods of women in Africa by introducing carbon clean cooking utensils methods of cooking and it's more the production of the decarbonised charcoal that should be of interest in terms of wood fuel consumption I think I may have said enough but I would like to hear from anyone in this audience who can tell me what happens with the 20 billion promised by developed nations under the paris agreement how much of that goes into forestry actually or into supporting forestry I don't know so I'll stop that I'll tell you that will have to be left hanging is a rhetorical question not to be answered because of time constraints normally I would open it up to questions from the floor we don't have time sadly we're going to go to a final comment in a moment from the director of the united nations forum on forest secretariat who is here madame julieth biaw cwding oakpool who is here but in a moment we'll go to you yes there you are but very quickly from our panelists erwe in less than one minute which policy action would you like to highlight which is relevant to the call for discussions unnecessary to scale up the sustainable use of wood and known wood forest products I have to ask you in less than one minute please erwe a Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth Llywodraeth, ond at COP 27, we're going to have the beginnings of a pledge around sustainable supply to go with the pledges around avoiding deforestation and all the other great things we want to do biodiversity. We have to talk about them equally, put out the welcome mat and ask private sector into the conversation, then say the parameters of it. It's going to be different in different parts of the world. On time and on budget, thank you very much indeed. Okay, posisor Sola, doctor, your thoughts please, a key policy action. First of all, Woodhill rarely makes its way into any policy document if you look at them. But I'll still say that I think with all the investments going into deforestation and restoration, AFR 100 and so on, all those policies geared towards that direction, how much of that is actually trying to address sustainable woodhill or supply. That would be my challenge. Wonderful, thank you very much indeed. Professor Jenaina in Brazil, your key policy action. Well, just to be brief, policy instruments and tools are most successful when we tailor them to the social and ecological contents of the use of wild species and to support fairness, right and equity, and recognizing and embedding indigenous and local knowledge into education systems to support sustainable use of wild species. Education and outreach, they remain under utilised as policy options. And aligning national education policies with those for sustainable use can enhance sustainable use of wild species. We had another meeting concerning the best results of the summary and we talked about the education part in the drivers for sustainable use of wild species. That's it. Thank you and sorry for taking off. That's okay, that's okay. Thank you. It was great content. It's just that we didn't have enough time to go further. Thank you very much. And finally, for now, Shyam Satkuri. Thank you, Henry. Thank you, Henry. I would call for the investment in all forest resources because they are the most effective and efficient way of meeting nature-based solutions in the face of climate change challenges. Quick, fast, big. We need to move. Thank you. You've moved.  Thank you very much. Thank you very much to the panel. Thank you to everybody else. And now briefly, I would like to give the floor because we're going to wrap up very shortly to Madame Juliet Biaw Cwdenogpu, director of the United Nations Forum on Forest Secretariat. Madame Cwdenogpu was appointed by the UN Secretary-General as director of the UN Forest Forum on Forest Secretariat this year in January. And you joined the UNFS from the UN Environment Programme in Nairobi. You served for over six years as director and regional representative for Africa. So please, I would like you to come up on stage and kindly provide us with your main takeaway from today's event and give us your conclusion on how the increased sustainable use of wood and non-wood forest products can contribute to establishing pathways to carbon neutral and resilient bioeconomies. Thank you. You can either go from here or from the podium. Yes, you can do it from the podium. Okay, thank you. Is it too bright? I don't know what to say. Okay, yes. Okay, then if you want to. Is it okay here? Yeah. Yes, okay. Excellencies, distinguished delegates, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. To be honest, I was shaking when I was coming to this podium because after listening to this rich discussion from the distinguished panelists, you will agree with me that it is really hard to summarize. Yes. But really I beg your indulgence. Much has already been said about the significance of the wood and non-wood product for the livelihood of people and for sustainable economic development in countries. Definding from the global forest industry outlook that was launched at the beginning of this event and the presentation by the distinguished panelists also highlights the importance of wood and non-wood product for sustainable economy in countries around the world being for industrial needs or for energy needs. I think this importance has already been highlighted. And we also heard from the distinguished panelists that many countries and regions are highly dependent on wood and non-wood product to provide the basic need for the people as part of the effort to fight poverty and inequality. We also know that at the global level, conflict, disasters, outbreak of pandemic, as well as increased commodity transport and prices, inflation, unemployment, interruption in supply chain has put unprecedented pressure on countries and their natural resources. We've heard that the recommendation about national and international decision making bodies and officials that need to carefully devise policies and approaches to effectively respond to expectations. And we've also heard some of the key policies that need to be put in place, including education, which was put high at the last UN General Assembly. We heard about certification, which is an important tool for ensuring sustainable consumption and production. To strike a balance between supply and demand while maintaining sustainability of our limited forest resources, innovation, we need innovation, we need technology and we need to increase efficiency in using of our wood and non-wood product. As stated in the global forest outlook 2050, it is imperative to also enhance productivity, increase investment and train labour force. Lastly, we need to sustainably increase forest cover in line with the Global Forest Goal 1 of the United Nations Strategic Plan on Forest. We've heard from Mr Shell Hooper who suggests that we need to support carbon neutrality by planting 500 billion trees. As function of forest cover, and I finish with that, through reforestation, afforestation, plantation, conservation of natural forests, we'll ensure that our forests deliver vital services and products in the long run and in a sustainable manner. Policies should be set in place to turn forests and the forest sector as one of the main components of a green circular economy. I thank you. I like the way you ended that. Green, and you look at my face, circular, and you look at me, economy. Just to assure you that this is the end. No, no, no. As we say in Ghana, you have surely landed. You know what you say, let him lie. Madame Bial, thank you very much indeed. You said it was going to be a challenge to summarise, but yes, you delivered. Thank you very much to the whole panel. So, Madame Eluwafi, thank you very much to Professor Schlenhoober. Ramishtana wasn't here. Hefey, merci messieurs. Hefey, Maibu Roshampton, Portiso Sola, Professor Janayina, Shyam, Sakos Curu, and Madame Curunukpo. Thank you very much indeed, and you are wonderful. Sorry we couldn't take your questions, but I think you agree we did do hopefully justice to the subject, and we'll send you away with more information and hopefully with more energy for the rest of the day, for the other sessions, both plenary and side events. Thank you very much indeed, and see you later this afternoon. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.