Okay, recording is on. Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to BC 106, our course on interpreting scripture. I'm going to take a moment to pray and then we will get started. The Meredith requests somebody to please lead the class in prayer. You can just unmute your mic and pray with us and then we will get started. Anyone? Please. Father, we pray this morning that you minister to us, Lord. We prepare our hearts to receive from your word. We pray to God that you would speak to us through your Holy Spirit. We submit past the hands of God. Use him to reveal the mysteries of your scriptures and help us to understand how to interpret scripture as you have written it, Lord Jesus. You thank you. In Jesus' precious name, we pray. Thank you. All right, good morning. Once again, I apologize for last week. I couldn't do my classes. I just had a lot of pending work to catch up. And yeah, there's still a lot of work, but we will keep going. All right, so we had just a quickly review. We had this transition into tools and methods of Bible study. And so we will move forward in that today. I'm just looking at the various methods of Bible study. And then we will start getting into the whole process of interpreting scripture. We'll talk about, hopefully we'll get to it today. We'll talk about the illumination of the Holy Spirit, you know, the inspiration that comes, how the Holy Spirit guides us, and then get into the practical side of interpreting scripture when you look at culture and grammar and other things, a lot of other things we will cover as we go along. Okay, so let me go ahead and share the PDF where we stopped. We'll just review. And then we will move forward. So we started this chapter of tools and methods of Bible study. We explained why there are different versions, English versions, and how the translators have tried to, you know, do their translation. And therefore we have different versions of English Bible. And we recommended that if we are somewhere close to the original text, or if you use a version that's close to the original text, that's very good for Bible study. And that'll really help us. So then we talked about, we just gave an overview of the methods of Bible study. We talked about, you know, when you're devotional or passage study, you're looking at a few set of verses. Then we talked about character, biographical sketches, where you can study the character of a person or the entire life of a person. Then there are thematic studies. You can do a topic or you can do a theme-wise or a word-based study. There are chapter study approaches. And then there are book study approaches. You study the whole book. So let's get into a little bit more detail here on doing these things. And if you go to our church website, you find sermons, sermon notes, you find books, which kind of tell us, which are actually expressions of these different forms of study. And maybe I'll just mention some. So if you're interested, you could go and either listen to those sermons or look them up so you see how they're practically done. So the overall, a very, very common approach to a very simple approach in looking into the scriptures is what is commonly known as the inductive Bible study. That is, you take a passage. When you are doing a passage, we usually do this in our devotion time when you're reading a portion of scripture. It could be a chapter. It could be less than a chapter. It could be more than a chapter, whatever passage you're taking. You kind of do all of us essentially do an inductive study. What does that mean? That means after you read the passage, you are observing very carefully what's going on in the text. Okay, this is what's happening. Observation. Then you say, what does the text mean? This is the meaning. Then you say application. What can I do? How does it apply to me in my present situation? So that's the inductive Bible study approach. A very simple and a very practical observation, interpretation, application. So that's what we do in our devotional method. When you're doing your daily devotions, typically most of us are doing that already. When you read the passage, you're thinking through like this and you could even do it verse by verse.  So you can do it at a passage level. You could do it at a worse level. And of course, you can extend it to a bigger portion of scripture. But you're doing the same thing. You are observing what is happening in the verse or in the passage or in the chapter. Then you are saying the interpretation. What does it mean? And then you're saying application. How do I apply? And many of us are already practicing this. Then we also talked about another way to study, but you can study a character or you can study a biography the entire life of a character. So in a character study method, we said that you're looking at a certain time segment, the life of a Bible person, a time segment, and just looking at how do they conduct themselves in that situation. So we made mention of Daniel. So if you look only at Daniel chapter 6, how did Daniel behave in that particular situation? You're doing a character study.  He was strong. He didn't, you know, he was courageous and God came through for him. So that's a character study. But if you study the entire life of Daniel, that is, you know, from the start to the end, whatever we see recorded in scripture, then you're doing a biographical study. And both of these studies are very useful. This character study is usually when you do a single sermon, you know, if you're preaching or sermon, you take a time portion of that person's life and you bring out insights from that. So usually that in a single sermon, you might do it.  They made mistakes, but they all came mistakes and so on. You know, and example, example, usually in the life of King David, you can break his, or not to break, but you can divide his entire life, the biography of his life into four stages. You know, so you can talk about the formative years of David. That means what we see in, you know, the early stage of his life, 1 Samuel chapter 16, basically.  You know, he was a hero, a national hero. And then you have the third stage of his life where he was the fugitive. That means now he was running for his life. He was in the wilderness and what all happened there during the wilderness, the fugitive years.  But even in that stage of his life, the fourth stage, he made mistakes. And so we can look at, you know, we can break his whole life into these four stages and we can examine, you know, how did he work with God? What did God do? And what can we learn? And it's a beautiful study. We need to do a biographical study of a Bible character. So like this, you could look at Abraham, you could look at Jacob, you could look at Moses, you know, and we can learn a lot from a biographical study. So that's one way. That's another way of understanding the Word of God. So really, our interest is not just in the human person, but our interest is in knowing God through the life of that person, you know, how that person walked with God. How did God deal with that person? So ultimately we are learning about God. We are learning about the ways of God. We are learning the heart of God, but it's happening through the lens of somebody's life and their walk with God and the teaching of Scripture. Then there is a very different way of studying. And this is probably for me personally, it's something I do a lot now, which is a thematic or a topical or a word study. So it is very broad, you know, very broad way, but you can do by topic. So what does the Bible say about this particular topic? And you go through the entire Bible, Genesis to Revelation, on that topic. So if you, you know, there could be atonement or like I just put some examples here. What does the Bible say about atonement? What does the Bible say about divine healing? What does the Bible say about Holy Spirit? What does the Bible say about faith?  And this is actually very important for those of us, you know, when they want to understand what does God say about this subject, about this topic. So it's a topical study. You trace that particular topic throughout Scripture. Very similar to that is a theme, you know, so thematic. Again, these are overlapping. So you pick a particular theme in Scripture and you follow that theme throughout Scripture. It could be on redemption. It could be on worship. It could be on the end times. It could be, you know, our identity in Christ, a theme that you find in Scripture. And you follow that throughout the Bible. You know, what does God say about, yeah, what does the Bible say about death? What does the Bible say about heaven? What does the Bible say about, you know, on the theme of sorrow or whatever, you know, any, you just look at it throughout Scripture on that particular theme. Similar to that is a word study. So you look up a particular word and you see how that word is used throughout Scripture. Example would be spirit. Okay. How is the word spirit used in Scripture? In the Old Testament, the New Testament. Oh, then you will discover, okay, there's only, you know, one Hebrew word for spirit. There's only one Greek word for spirit, numa. And but then depending on the context, it can be used to talk about Holy Spirit. It can be used to talk about evil spirit. It can be used to talk about angels. It can be used to talk about human spirit. Oh, now I didn't know that. Yeah, but there's only one Hebrew word, but it's, you know, it's translated in different ways. They're referring to totally different things, depending on the context. Very interesting.  What is it? What do I see in the world? And what is it? So we see the new. And then you begin to see that sometimes it's translated as heart. You know, sorry, the word heart and the word spirit seem to be used very closely.  But then you begin to explore a little bit more. You begin to understand spirit and heart are used synonymously. Sometimes, you know, spirit, heart, soul are used very closely. And so it kind of, you know, it opens your eyes to okay, this is how the scriptures are handling this word. And then the other thing that you can also do is to look up the root meaning. What is the root meaning? Sometimes you discover other things, you know, for example, you study the word love.  Because in English, we are saying love, but in maybe the Greek, you know, there are many multiple words. There's the agape or the God kind of love. There's agape love. There's hero's love. There's affiliate love. And I think there's even a fourth word, I forget, friendship love. And so there are many different Greek words, but all are translated into English and love. Oh, so you're starting with one word, love. But then you're discovering that actually, there are multiple words in the Greek that are translated love. And they all mean different things. Then they're all used in different contexts. Oh, but in English, it's always translated. Mostly it's always translated love. Oh, you know, and then then you begin to understand that agape is used only in the context of God's love. So like that, you know, there are different words, you study a word and it kind of goes through, there's a lot of learning that happens.  And of course, we will talk about the tools that you can use when you do this. All right, I heard a ring on the charts. Let me see if there's a question here. Fairly, oh, John Paul. Okay, so I must fill your storage heroes agape. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, John. So now we move to chapter study. So here's, again, a different way to study. And what you do is you take a chapter in the Bible, and then you begin to study through that chapter, right? Now, an easy way, an easy way to do this is especially if you start in the Psalms, you know, you can take Psalm 23 example, which I think many of us would have done, you know, you take Psalm 23, it's a single chapter, but it's very beautiful. And, you know, the whole Psalm 23, it's one chapter, but it has so much richness in it, talking about God and talking about what he does for us as his own people. So you could take a single chapter like that, you know, and the Psalms are a good place to do this kind of study, right? Now, when you're studying a chapter, there are two approaches. Of course, one is what we refer to as a summary. And then there's the other one, which is the, sorry, analysis, we are going into the details of the chapter. So in a summary, in the summary approach, you know, you are trying to bring out the, or it's more like an expository, it's you're trying to bring out the essence, the essence of that chapter, right? You may or may not necessarily deal with all the, of course, you're going to interpret that chapter in the context of the book in which it is written, but you are not too worried or too much worried about the rest of it. You're focusing on the chapter and you bring out the summary of it, right?  So typically what you would do is you would say, well, I can break this chapter into three sections or four sections, you know, this is what happens and this is what, you know, his, this is first one, two, three, four, four sections. And then you kind of you're weaving through that chapter, you bring out the key insights from the chapter, the key lessons, and you're dealing with what does God want me to learn from this chapter. So it's, it's more of a highlight or a summary of the chapter. Okay, that's, if you want to do a chapter analysis, in a chapter analysis, you're getting deeper into the text. Okay, so now you're going to look into everything that's around it. You're going to look at the book. Okay, this book was written through these people. It was written for this reason, it was written in this time. And so now he has already developed all this in the previous chapters. Now you're in this chapter, therefore this chapter, you know, you're getting into the details of it. So it's an in-depth analysis of that chapter in the context of everything around it. You're looking into why it was, you know, why, why certain things being said. And things that were said, preceding it, that impact why it was said then and how it's going to, you know, lead to other thoughts coming up in the rest of the book. So it's an analysis of that chapter, right? It's, and you look up, usually look up the the meanings of the words and so on. So it's a little bit more in-depth study of the chapter. And usually the chapter analysis is what we do when we get into our book study. So in a book study you will typically analyze every chapter in detail, you know, and you get down to the worst level as you would in a chapter analysis. So example of chapter summary methods, recently we did a sermon from Psalm 40. It was, I think, in the month of December and the sermon title is, I Waited Patiently, that sermon is essentially Psalm 40 and it just does a highlight, a summary of Psalm 40. It just brings out the key things. It's not an analysis, but it's a highlight, it's a summary. So that sermon I Waited Patiently on Psalm 40, that was done recently in December, is an example of a chapter summary. Chapter analysis is, of course, when we do in-depth study and there are, you know, you find it on our church website, we've done book studies, we've done Ephesians and Corinthians and several other books and there we go into chapter by chapter, verse by verse explanations. So that would, those would be examples. When we do book studies, we actually go do chapter analysis. We get into the deep depths of each chapter and verse. The last one, our book study approaches and, you know, in our third year in this Bible college, we do book studies. So we study several New Testament books. We also do Daniel and Revelation and when we're studying that, we go through, you know, prophetic scriptures in depth. So typically what you would do is you would do a book background. So the book background is, of course, you're trying to understand a lot of information about the writing. So when was it written? Where was it written? What were the events going around? The culture, the environment, so that then what we read in the book becomes that much more rich, more meaningful. So getting the background to the book actually is a very good thing because the meaning of the book comes out so much better, you know, so much, okay, this is why this was written and this is what God is dealing with, you know, either in the life of the church or in the life of his people. So getting to know the background, which nowadays, thank God, you know, we have all the tools and we have the resources that have already put all this information together for us. So other than, you know, reading it, our effort has, you know, our work has been reduced a lot. So we just have to make the time to read, you know, people have put this information together for us. So getting to know the book background is very, very helpful. It also helps us in the interpretation because then we are mindful that we interpret it in that context and we will see as we go further in this course that understanding culture is very important in interpreting the scriptures. That's one of the factors we take into account and we will explain it in a coming lesson. So book background, setting the background of it, the book survey is you're giving an overview of the book, like more like a highlight of the entire book. So it is not an in-depth study of every chapter, but you're surveying it. It's a high level, okay, you know, this book was written here and these are the main key points, the key things that you find in this book. These are the, you know, maybe the theology contained in this book. This is what the book has when it comes to, if it has anything about the spiritual realm, about angels and demons. This is what the book says about salvation, or this is what the book has pointing to Christ.  It's not an in-depth study of the book. And it is useful when, you know, people want to just get the gist of the book. Okay, what does this book about? What does this book have to say? The essence of it and the gist of it. So it's more like as a highlight, the key highlights of this book. This is what this book is about. So it's a book survey. You're not necessarily getting into all the details. Okay, so one is a background, background method. One is a survey method. And then the most detailed study approach to studying a book is what is known as a synthesis method. That means you are getting into the book down to every verse. And to do that, you should have the previous to already done. That means you should know the background. You should have an overview. Okay, this is what is being. So, you know, the book is, okay, this is what is being addressed. And now let's get into the details. First by verse, chapter by chapter, you're getting. So that is a very detailed study of the book, which is very, very useful. Okay, so you're bringing in together, bringing the previous two works together, the book, so the book background, the book survey, and then you're getting into the details of the book. So for example, in our third year, we will, I usually teach the book of Romans, and I love it, you know, and it's like a beautiful, one of the best, what do you say, doctrinal epistles, the book of Romans, you know, it's like if you understand the book of Romans, you understand the core of New Testament doctrine. That's how great, you know, that's how complete and how solid the book of Romans is. So of course, when you study the book of Romans, you have the background, where it was written, by whom it was written, and to whom it was written, what was the time, what was the kind of audience that Jews and the Greeks and what had happened to the, to the believers there at Rome, and why was Paul writing to them, you know, that background is there, which is very beautiful. And then you also have a highlight, that the storyline of the book, how Paul starts in chapter one from the very basic, why we believe God exists, to what happened to when man sinned, and God brought in the law, but what about those who don't have the law, and then how God began with Abraham, and how Abraham by faith, you know, was justified. And, but then Christ came, what did Christ do?  But Christ did the work and then Romans eight, the Holy Spirit comes and helps us. And then he talks about, okay, but there are problems in the world, there is the corruption in the world, but then the Holy Spirit helps us through all of Romans eight, then he says, okay, now I need to explain something about God's working with the Jews and the church. So nine, 10, 11, Romans nine, 10, 11 is an overview, you know, this is how God is working with the Jews, and with the church, and how he's going to bring it all together, Romans 11. So it's like the highlight is Romans 11, 26, you know, God brings everything together. Then, okay, now that we've understood how God is working with the Jews and the church, let me get back to the church, Romans 12 to Romans 16, this is how the church should be living today. So there's a storyline from Romans seven to one, through Romans seven to 16, that you can see beautifully. And how Paul brings it out, and his style of writing is very different, but a lot of rhetorical questions in the book, he asks a question, he answers it, he asks a question, he answers it, that's his style of writing. Then you get into the chapter and the words, you know, so you have the background, you have the survey, and then you have the synthesis, the details, the teaching of the book, right? So that's a beautiful example of, you know, a book study, and that is so important for all of us to learn how to do that, okay? So the last thing I want to share here is on the tools we are going to use, but before I talk about the tools, let me see if there are any questions so far on these methods that we have covered. So any questions on the methods of Bible study, anybody has any questions you want to ask? Any thoughts, any comments? Everybody's following this? Okay, I'm assuming all of you are good, you're all following me, okay? So we'll just move into the last bit, which is, I just want to share a little bit about the tools, you know, the tools that we could use. So there are many, many Bible study tools that are available, and I will, you know, I've just given you a list over here, but what I want to say is personally, I would recommend eSword. It's a free software that you could download, and I've been using it for a long time. From the time it was released, I think it was 2001, when the first version came out, and since then there have been, you know, new versions. And so you download the latest version. eSword is one of them, and of course there are other, you know, new versions, there's a Blue Letter Bible, there's a Logos software, there's BibleGateway.com, there are a lot of these other online Bible study tools that you could use if you'd like. Now I don't, I'm not very familiar with these tools, I don't use them too much. Now and then I might, you know, I might refer, I mean, readily, but the one that I use almost daily is eSword. So I would encourage you to do that, if you would like to do that. And I'll just quickly show you eSword. It looks very complicated, of course, I'm running it on my computer, my laptop. It's very, very easy to use. Now I remember, you know, prior to 2001, in those days before that, when I would study the Bible, you know, I would be having my King James, the new King James Version Bible in front of me, then I would have a physical Bible, I'd have, you know, four or five different versions opened in front of me, then I would have the Wine's Dictionary, another book, thick book, then I would have Strong's Concordance, another thick book.  And that's how I had to study in those, you know, those, those, those years. And that's of, you know, when you did, when you didn't have computer and software, that's how manually you have to study. And it's a very time consuming process. So if I wanted to look up the Hebrew word, I would go into Strong's Concordance, you know, okay, find out the words, find out, okay, this is the Hebrew word, or this is what it means, then maybe open up the Wine's Dictionary for the Old Testament, look up the meaning, you know, and then open in every, every version, turn to that same verse to read how, you know, how did that origin translate that was, that's how I used to do my study. It was very time consuming, just to study one verse, it took so much time. But, you know, with computers and the software that we have today, it is so easy, right? So when you download his sword, you know, here you can see that I have so many versions of the Bible. Many of them are free. The only paid version here is, is I think the New King James. And I, I don't, I think the, yeah, I think the passion translation may be paid. But now all of these other, other versions are actually all free. They're all free versions. So you can download, you know, all these different versions. And if I want to, you know, look at one verse in, in, in different, you know, in different versions. So example, if I first Corinthians, so now all the books of the Bible are listed here. So I click on first Corinthians chapter 10, verse 23. And if I want to read this verse in different versions, it's so easy. I select the verse and I select compare. So right here in just a click off the mouse, I'm able to see the same verse in different versions. You know, and I've got the Greek interlinear. So I can actually even see what the actual Greek means. I've got it in Hindi here and, and so on. Right. So I can just quickly read in, in, in a few minutes, I can, you know, read what this verse, how this verse is rendered in, you know, so many different versions of the Bible. Previously, if I had to do this, it would take me maybe a good one hour, you know, or not one hour, maybe half an hour. You know, I have to physically open every Bible to first Corinthians 10-23, physically turn there, read it. Now here I can just, with a click and a scroll, I'm able, we are able to see it.  And the advantage of reading the same verse in different versions is because then you get to understand, okay, so this is how this verse has been translated or rendered in different versions. These are the sort nuances of that same word, you know, so that word could mean this and so on. Right. The other thing that I almost always do is I always look up the root words. So because this is New Testament, you look up the Greek. So if I click, click on this tab, King James Version with Strong's numbers, it gives me the Greek words. So first Corinthians 10, all things. All right. So if I put my mouse over, it gives me the Greek words. So I can see, you know, I can actually look into the Greek. So now I can, you know, get some insight into, okay, what is the Greek word used and what are their meanings. And also addition to that are the dictionaries. So previously I used to have only one dictionary, the wine, wine's expository dictionary. But now, you know, there are multiple dictionaries. There is, of course, the wine's dictionary, but there's also, and I had the Strong's concordance. So the Strong's, of course, would give you the meaning of that Greek word. But then there's Thayer's dictionary. You can also look it up. It has usually a little bit more meaning of that word. And then you have other dictionaries. This is also free. So what I usually do is I will read the Strong's, and I'll also see, you know, how that word, what is the meaning, the different meanings of that Greek word. So you're getting into the details of, okay, I'm understanding what is being said here. And then, so the use of dictionaries is very, very good. Now, you can also search within the wine's dictionary example. I could click on the search icon here. Sorry, here. And I could search in wine's dictionary. You know, sorry. So if I look up the word faith, so you see how wine's, wine, this is the wine's dictionary. He tells us, okay, faith, the Greek word. And he tells you so much about that word, how it is used, you know. So this itself is a big learning. Yeah, okay. So this is the word faith. It means from a conviction and so on. And then it talks about how it's used throughout the New Testament. Right. And then also, there is, you know, the other variations of that word. So you can see the meaning. So this is a very useful thing when you, when you are doing your Bible study, looking up the word. So these are things I do very, very often, you know, in studying the scriptures. And then, of course, there are commentaries. Now, about commentaries, there are, you know, there are probably hundreds of commentaries out there. And there are 100, you know, so many commentaries free. So I would say, you know, don't try to overdo it. You cannot read every commentary that is there.  So I just limit myself to, I think just two commentaries, really. I have the Dakes commentary. Now, not everybody may agree with Dakes because Dakes comes from a spirit filled Pentecostal background. And that's the reason I have Dakes, you know, because it's a spirit filled Pentecostal type background. But not everybody may agree with everything that Dakes says. That's okay. You know, you just read to see what, you know, what he has done. Now Dakes has spent, you know, Dakes, when he was doing his work, he spent more than 40 years writing, studying the Bible and writing his commentary. So it's really a very useful resource. And then there's another one by David Gersig. Now, the reason, again, the reason I chose David Gersig is because it's a spirit filled Pentecostal background. So he comes up. But David Gersig draws from a lot of other commentaries. So he has actually done a lot of work for us. And he quotes, and you will see in his, when you read his commentary that he quotes from other people, you know, and he will mention it in his commentary that he has quoted from other people. So for example, yeah, he quotes from adding Clark commentary. So he has already quoted bits and pieces from other people. So he's already done a bit of work. And he comes from a spirit filled Pentecostal type background. So he was part of Calvary Chapel, the early spirit filled chapel, the church, churches that came out. So these are two commentaries that I usually look at. And then there are others who more give you the meaning. They like dictionaries. They kind of give you the meaning of the words, Vincent word studies. F.B. Meyer is a commentary. And I just kind of look at it. I don't necessarily pay too much attention. I don't necessarily read it. Everything he says, but it's just one additional thing. And then this is for cross-reference. Where is that word used in other places? So basically two main commentaries, Dex and David Geisig, one extra one, F.B. Meyer. The others are more of like dictionaries and cross-references that I use. So don't overcrowd yourself with too many commentaries. Select, you know, maybe two or maximum three that you want to use and work with it. So this is a tool I would encourage you to use in your study of the word, because now you're getting into the, you can start looking at the Hebrew and the Greek, the words, you look at the meanings and so on. And then of course, other thing is word searches. So you can search, you know, and let me just change this. Sorry, let me go to, so usually when I do a search, I work with the new King James version. So, you know, you can search for the word glory, right? So you will find, so we just a simple search. You can see that the word, it gives you a full list of wherever the word glory is used in the Bible, you know, so many matches. And then you can study, like we said, you're not doing a word study or a thematic study or a topical study. This is very useful, you know, you can find the word glory is used in all these places. You can do a partial match and it'll pick up, you know, even the words glory is or, you know, related search. So all these things you can do with the software. Okay. So let me pause here and see any questions. Passer, when we usually do a Google search, this Matthew Henry commentary pops up very frequently. Do you have any suggestions regarding that? Yeah, I personally, I mean, I know he's Matthew Henry is one of the more well known and Matthew and his commentaries are more one of the more well known commentaries. I can't say too much because I haven't used it very much. And I just maybe glance through some of those things. Yeah. So I can't say too much. I don't have it. I mean, I, you know, I don't have the time to read, read all of those. So I don't. But, you know, what I would suggest is you have a look, see if it's useful. And if it's good, you can continue using it. Yeah. Also also, Barclays Bible, any thoughts? Oh, there's that. Yeah. Again, this is Barclays I haven't used much. I mean, I haven't used at all. Okay. So I wouldn't know. Yeah. So there are a lot of, you know, commentaries and even today many well known Bible teachers have put out their commentaries. So you'll have, you know, Bibles with commentaries by many of the leading Bible teachers today. They have put out their own commentaries. But it's very difficult to read, you know, everybody's commentary. So I would just suggest pick ones that you are comfortable.  They need to believe in the work of the spirit in the case because how they interpret scripture and the commentaries on scripture would obviously come from their theological position, you know, and while in some cases it's okay to read anybody's commentary, in some cases, it's important that the commentary doesn't discredit the work of the Holy Spirit or doesn't, you know, discredit them, the gifts of the spirit and the annoying thing and the miracles and the healings. I mean, why waste time reading those kinds of things. So I intentionally have selected the ones I read or look into as people with that theological position. But in some cases, it's good to, you know, to read, you know, someone, especially in things that don't relate to the work of the spirit, if it has to do with just gentle, you know, book background, culture, history, then definitely I would be open. In fact, when I do book studies, then I do read, you know, for example, in studying Daniel or in studying Revelation, some of the best commentaries on the books are written, you know, from professors from Dallas Theological Seminary. So, you know, they're not necessarily spiritual charismatic type, but when it comes to those subjects, they're very good. So it's good to read those. So, you know, so go with what you're comfortable with, what you have time to read and yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. But so these people who have written commentaries would be quite long while ago, right? Do you think there could be a progression in the revelation? And if yes, then is there a modern day theologians who have written commentaries? Usually, the progress may have been marginal, but not so much in the theological side, but more in the historical or archaeological findings or discoveries. In those cases, yeah, you know, if the commentary was written in the 1950s, of course, you know, about 70 years have elapsed, or if it was written in the 1960s, 70 years have elapsed or so more. And therefore, there will definitely be more archaeological findings and other things that help. But in the essence of the theology, theological understanding, there's not too much change. Except when it, of course, when it comes to end time prophecy, like, you know, when it comes to studying revelation or something, people always keep coming up with new ideas and so I don't bother too much with them. I stay with the traditional, you know, understanding of the end times. And that's perfectly fine. It's very consistent. But other than that, in the theological insight, understanding itself, it's pretty much consistent. Yes, there is fresh insight, but the doctrinally things haven't changed. It is the same. Maybe there's fresh revelation, fresh insight. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so with this real wrap up, Chapter 3, I've given you some recommended commentaries and so on and you could, you know, I'm not saying you have to use them. I'm just saying that's what I use and I can share about that. So we'll go for a break now. We'll be back in 10 minutes and then we will proceed to the next chapter, which is to talk about the illumination of the Holy Spirit. And then maybe we'll have time to get into one more chapter, which is to talk about culture and how, you know, we have to keep that in mind and be in the scripture. So we'll be back in 10 minutes. Thank you.


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Good morning everybody. We're just rolling into Portage, Wisconsin here right now. We're on our way over to Iron Ridge, Wisconsin Oh and good thing I'm doing the speed limit They're taking pictures right there you stay there buddy Speed limit is 25 miles an hour here, which is pretty slow coming over that bridge I was thinking man, this is really slow for this like shouldn't be 25 But you know me I did 25 anyway good thing I did Otherwise I'd be getting pulled over right now on camera, and I'd have to vlog about it. That'd be awful No, I haven't gotten a speeding ticket since I was a young younger kid Here's another guy another cop. Oh They're serious No speeding in this town Lady go up This guy's in a hurry another one What's going on anything okay? Did I come at a bad time makes you wonder what's going on I? Guess we'll just continue with our day. They're not after us Like I said we gotta deliver this lumber I have on my stepdeck behind me to Iron Ridge, and then we head over to Middlebury Indiana. Oh wow look at this downtown Whoa That is awesome. Oh, I love these little old towns. I get all excited when I go through one Oh the history here See now if I ever moved to the United States, I'd live in a little town like this Not not like too small of a town, but you know a little town like this with like an old 19th century downtown At least that's what I would call it a 19th century downtown Do I got a turn here? Can I go straight? I can go straight, right? Doesn't say trucks turn We're gonna keep going. Oh, yeah, there comes a truck down there. Okay. I don't feel as bad if I see another truck Sometimes these little towns they want you to go around the Main Street. They don't want trucks on Main Street And here's the cop that had his lights on that blew past me before now suddenly he's not in a hurry anymore So what was that all about before? Why did you blow past me with your lights on if you're in nowhere? And this guy's gonna Jay walk right behind the cop right there What what's going on did I wake up in a different universe? Maybe his call got cancelled or something. I'm just gonna assume the best and assume that he didn't just use his police lights to get Here a little quicker and he should have for no reason, you know that his lights on again Oh, that's what it was. He wanted to pull over and there's another cop behind me, but he doesn't have his lights on Portage, Wisconsin you guys are serious about your law and order Okay, mr. Officer, please don't open your door right in into me here and I go past you nice and slow. Thank you Somebody's are getting us spanking Understand he was he was actually chasing someone he would he did have a reason see You always assume the best Or just don't assume at all So we have about another hour or so to go to get to our Our delivery hopefully we get unloaded quickly I would like to get reloaded today yet But I kind of have a feeling that they're gonna want to reload me tomorrow morning They're win another cop down the street in front of me You see that this is a very well-policed town I'm sure the residents of Portage, Wisconsin feel very safe. You have a cop on every second street. Oh This is the police station right here. That's why okay that makes sense That's a pretty big police station Wow No messing around Another cop if you don't take anything away from this vlog take away this if you're going to Portage, Wisconsin obey the law No, we are filming Well, we got here to our delivery. He's just Pulling off. I think the last couple not just two more on this side yet I need to clean this off. I've already all got all those. I did adjust the weight I do have my riser with me. I do have the wheel straps with me I do have new envelopes and maintenance sheets. So I do need to clean that off of there already, but hey diesel Hey Hey, old man. Hey, I am having my nap. It's my my second mid-morning nap It's a new one. I just added it to the routine Seriously all this old guy does asleep. Hey old man. Hey Maybe he doesn't like me calling him old man. Hey young man Young man. Oh, he looked at his head. So that's what it is. You don't like me calling you old man Okay, old man. I'll call you a young man from now on. Okay. Is that cool old man? Don't look so impressed. Come here. Come here, buddy. Say hi to the vlog. Say hi to the vlog buddy. Come on Say hi. See? Good boy. Can they see you even? Good boy diesel Yeah, such a good boy. You're so tired. Hey, you've lived a good life already, man. You earned it Sorry to bother you old man Young man. He's gonna be eight years old this August You're such a good boy though. Look at you. You're such a good boy. I don't care if you're getting older, man I'm getting older too We're all getting older. It looks like they have One more to take off here. Not this big big compound thing But as soon as they're done, I start heading towards Indiana. I'm not gonna get there before end of business day today It's 1130 right now and they're in Eastern time zone too. Shoot. I just realized that it's 1230 there right now And I'm 426 kilometers away, which is like six times four is what? Why can't I math right now 24 240 250 miles away or so? Give or take I'm not gonna get there till like supper because I have to stop and eat sometime yet. I need lunch I'm hungry So I need to at least stop and pick something up for the way And by the time I get there it'll be and I'll have to load it up tomorrow morning Which is okay tomorrow's Friday, so What's going on over there? The guy's dragging his mudflops. I think he forgot to put air in the suspension Whoops Okay, this is the last one guys. I got to get going and put you guys down in here That's it. All right. Thank you. I've gotten the official thumbs up from the official forklift driver He looks just like a guy that I work with one of my co-workers looks just like him definitely Nordic Swedish or Norwegian or something just straight up like Nordic you can just tell just like bright blue eyes the long blonde hair Looks like a Viking Vikings are cool Okay So I got to go to the guard shack now and let him know I'm out of here Things tied down on the day. Yep. I made sure everything was tied down before I came in here to talk to you find people Lights on Let's not hit anything Let's go have fun driving around Chicago. This is how I feel about that Yeah, Chicago gotta go and talk to this fine gentleman. He was really friendly before diesel. It's your buddy. Hey I'm gonna go say hi to your bud Hey, look, there's another guy another one of your friends on the back of this truck. Look at that Look at that. There's one right there Look at him He's painting Look at that diesel look at him He's on the back. What's he doing on the trailer man?  No, look at him He's right there Back of this Save big money at Menards.  I like them because they are dog friendly.  Oh, he's got all kinds of flags Like half a dozen American flags He's got a Trump flag. He's got a Wisconsin flag. He's got a Poland flag a Harley-Davidson flag He likes flags too. I like them. I Love flags. I just don't go that hardcore with them. I don't think my wife would let me I Mean if she'd let me yeah, I'd have a lot more flags flying in our yard, but I just have the one Right now I only have the provincial flag of Manitoba flying right now It's very similar to the Ontario flag. It's very similar to the old Original Canadian flag which was called the end sign It had the British Union Jack on the top left corner with a red background with the crest of Canada I guess is what you'd call it on the the right-hand side in the center sort of like Australia's flag without the stars and red with the crest And that's the same as the Manitoba flag. It's a I like it. I want to get a Canadian end sign flag and I want to fly that because that's the original flag of the country the Canadian flag that we You see flying today on the the flag poles of the Maple Leaf. That's a very new flag that only came in the last Several decades ago, okay, we're between Milwaukee and Milwaukee in Chicago right now. I just stopped at truck stop. What exit was this again? Forget what exit we're at but there's a petrol stopping center And I went to the the sort of smaller truck stop on the other side I like going to these smaller truck stops just because there's less traffic like here, there's just there's just this little bit of parking back here and That's the truck stop that way there I know it doesn't really do you justice showing you but I just want to sort of show you the the size of it It's a smaller one and you know, most people they'll run over to the petrol because it's the big fancy one and nothing against them They have amazing truck stops. I like them a lot, but I'm sort of in the mood today just to Be by myself and not socialize too much with that being said there was a driver here that Noticed I had the steps for diesel that helps them in and out of the truck and I get a lot of comments on those steps Actually, they're called pet loader and you can find them on Amazon if you're looking for it Maybe I'll post the link Somewhere if I can but it all you got to do is research. I'll just look for pet loader There's all kinds of different sizes and stuff like mine are really dirty here right now I don't want to show them to you because I had them strapped to the outside of my truck last week I got to wash them again, but I Put I set them up and diesel walk down them walk back up as other driver talked to me Here today and came to talk to me about it saying that that's awesome He has a smaller dog too when I think a cat inside the house And he has all kinds of steps and stuff built up for them So they don't have to jump either because it's so hard on their joints and their paws and their back to jump in and out of the truck all the time and Diesel's a little bit too big a little too big to you know Jump or for me to carry him You're a diesel. This is your little hiding spot now.  I love you so much He's been with me since he was about 10 weeks old Turning eight this year I'm so glad that I met Britt and that I married a woman who loves dogs just as much as me maybe even a little bit more and Diesel just loves her and Diesel you are my judge of character if you don't like somebody I don't like them But if you love them, then I know they're a really good person Right. You're a really good judge of character That's a good boy. I wish you would stop getting older man You're supposed to live forever or at least as long as me at least as long as me. That would be nice eight years old How old would that be in in human years? I think it's eight times seven right approximately times seven so That's not that old yet. Maybe I shouldn't be calling you old man. That's only what 56, right? I can't do math right now I'm a truck driver. I got calculators for this stuff.  Yes, I was right. Thank you grade three math awesome I knew I was in grade three for a reason I passed too So 56 you're only like 56 I got to stop calling you an old man because my dad and my father-in-law Might take offense to that What am I talking about? They're both like 30 years old, right? My father-in-law just turned 29 Last weekend Again, and I think my dad's around the same age to maybe maybe 20 30. I don't know I Stopped aging at at 30 myself. I decided to stop having birthdays at 30 So this last birthday was my second 30th birthday. It was it was a lot of fun Well, I wish you would stop having birthdays man. I wish you would stop getting old Dogs age way too fast, you know They're truly man's best friend He's been with me almost every day for the most part for eight years The last trip when I took Chevy along and we went to BC in then Ontario and back We were gone for two weeks. That was the longest I've ever been apart. Wait Wait, wait, wait. No, that's not true either on our honeymoon. We left the dogs at my in-laws as well my mother-in-laws and That was three weeks. Okay.  I Don't know if you've noticed this or not you may have noticed if you watch my wife's channel link is down below in the description You might have noticed. We're kind of crazy dog people We love dogs a lot not so much cats. I don't mind cats. I like all animals, but Especially especially dogs. They're my favorite. I don't know if there is a dog in the room I am sorry, but I'm not gonna be able to have a conversation with you because I'm gonna be on the floor petting The dog the whole time that that's me at the party so if you want me to like socialize with human beings make sure there's no dogs at the party because You've lost me as soon as a four-legged furry friend comes around the corner, right diesel Great shaking my head SMH Getting off the tollway here in Middlebury, Indiana and whoever's at the front of this line It doesn't have a credit card or doesn't have cash doesn't have both Holding up this whole line To get off the tollway because they're having a hard time paying I don't know what people do in this situation because you look at this like 10 vehicles couple. There's gonna be some behind me right away I need to get through here And there's no way for any of us to get off the highway now because if this one person who is not prepared at the front Oh, oh looks like they got through hey How did it possibly take them that long?  I Have easy pass so I just drive up and it's automatically build to the company Maybe it's a slow machine. Maybe this guy's gonna take a long time, too Maybe something's wrong with it This guy's All right, this guy's getting out of his pickup now up there.  It must be hauling imaginary trailers everywhere they go. Oh, this one just opened and I am going through here Excuse me, maybe easy as that. Oh, that's narrow Good times Good thing that Dodge Ram driver wasn't in that lane He wouldn't have been able to clear that with his tow mirrors out We're gonna stop at the truck stop off here to our left. Hopefully there's parking for us And we got to pick up trailers or an X load across the interstate To our right tomorrow morning. Look at this guy. Look at this guy Couldn't wait I had to get in front of me didn't stop at the stop sign either I was in a hurry to get somewhere. There's supposed to be a truck stop right here. Okay. Yeah, there it is Hopefully there's some spots there for me. It's only like 10 spots at this place Now, where's the where's the driveways it on this road or is it on that road? I believe us after these lights Kilometers that turn left on us 12. No, we're turning in here many Gallops this way. Oh, that's the name of the truck stop Gallops in Middlebury, Indiana Lots of parking spots back there Beautiful. I like it. I'm gonna go park between those two drops trailers. So I know they'll be quiet See him off there to the left back in beside them I think actually No, no, I'm not actually The ground is uneven there Make all the blood rush to my head then I'm gonna park over here. Have it on this side of these guys These little streets weeper go. Look at him go. He's just giving her I'm just back into my spot here being entertained by this guy. Oh He's coming back. Don't worry. He's coming back Just giving her still going still going. Well, that looks like fun Go through steer tires very quickly. Is he entertaining you to your diesel?  It will be best friends You never know diesel. You never know, but I do know I have to sneeze here comes. Oh One more maybe Maybe oh, yeah, here comes her Okay, well, that's it for the day everybody. I hope you enjoyed it I think it was a bit of a longer one today. I have a feeling look I've been doing a lot of talking today. I've been very chatty. Have I been talking too much? Well, you always talk a little too much for my liking man, but yeah, I think you did okay. I think everything is good Why won't you look at me? I Am embarrassed You're embarrassed just to be with me I'd be embarrassed to be with me too if I was you Try living with me in this body I'll see you tomorrow. Like I said, just across the interstate is where we're Picking up these trailers tomorrow. They're utility trailers. I believe there's three of them I have all the equipment I need on the back of my trailer. I have my riser I have all the donage I need for wheel block a wheel chocks And I got the nails to nail those wheel chocks down onto the trailer Well, so I got I have tarps, but I'm not gonna need the tarps You don't tarp those things and then so we'll load that tomorrow It'll take most of the the morning and afternoon. I'm sure and then we'll start on our way home Oh, it means Friday. So today is Thursday that I'm filming the Sun Friday is tomorrow We'll get a good ways home tomorrow probably through Chicago Definitely through Chicago tour around Black River Falls. Maybe a little further in Wisconsin And then we'll be able to do the rest on The next day. So I'll be home Saturday night Sunday we have that family gathering for my sister Rose's birthday my birthday my dad's birthday And Easter all put together into one big family gathering. So my sister Rose's birthday was on March 29th My birthday was on April 1st My dad's birthday is on April 24th And Easter is while Easter is Easter You got to take off work and celebrate Easter. It only comes once a year. It's sort of like Christmas Anyways, I hope you guys have a great day Subscribe to my channel here on youtube if you haven't already according to my analytics over half of you that watch my videos are not subscribed So I challenge you to subscribe to me on youtube It's free You just got to click a button And if you want to click the bell beside it and that'll send you a notification when I release my new videos So you never miss one and you're never out of the loop I'd appreciate if you did that. Anyways, I'll see you guys tomorrow. Take care


speaking, talking. Hey, it's Watch Me Work. It's Tuesday. And we've been doing this show for 11 years and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I hope you guys know the story. If there's anyone who does not know the story of how we started doing this. We started in the lobby of the Public Theater and now thank you to the Public Theater and thanks to HowlRound for joining us to live stream in the lobby and now joining us, partnering with us to create this community during this very troubling and abundant time 2020. So what we're going to do is we're going to work together for 20 minutes. Any kind of work you want doesn't have to be writing, although it can be, could be any kind of work you happen to be doing. And then we will check in with Durham and see what kind of snacks he wants. And then we will talk with you about your work and your creative process. And should you have a question about your work and your creative process, after the 20 minutes, Audrey is going to tell you how to get in touch. Go Audrey. SLP. If you are inside of the Zoom, all you need to do is click on the raise your hand button in the participant tab, which is likely on the bottom of your screen if you're on a laptop or the top if you're on an iPad. And if you're watching us on HowlRound.tv, you can tweet at us at atWatchWeWorkSLP with the hashtag HowlRound, H-O-W-L-R-O-U-N-T. And you can also tweet us at at public theater and why or write it to us in our Instagram. We'll catch you there. Back to you SLP. Because we have nothing but what can you do, what else do you want to do? Okay, we'll practice during the 20 minutes. We'll work. We'll do some work. Okay. Okay, so here we go. Ready, Audrey. Hiya. All right. Okay. How lovely. Yeah. Here we are. Here we are. Hopefully we got some work done. And maybe someone has a question. Yeah, we got some questions today. Karima, you are up first. Hey, Karima, how are you? Did it work for you? Are you unmuted? Okay, there we go. Okay. How are you? I want to piggyback off of a question that happened yesterday. The young lady was asking, she was interviewing. She was talking about writing something about her mother and she was going to interview. My question is, if you interview someone and you use that in your piece, can they then say they help create your piece? Can you hear me? I can hear you. I was thinking. And when just FYI, you guys, when you guys usually talk, I mute myself so that I can actively give you the floor. So, Karima, I would say that if it is, you know, if it's like, hey mom, I'm interviewing you because I'm going to write a novel or a song or a poem or a screenplay about your life, I would say that's a close family relationship. It's very upfront. You know, you probably heard the stories and bits and pieces that your family member has told you and you were telling them that you would like their participation. So, they might be your research partner in a way, you know, but a couple things. So, that's one thing. So, I would say if I were interviewing my mom or my dad or a relative and we were talking, I would say, tell me about that time when you guys were, you know, went to the March on Washington, you know, because I'd like to write something about that. I'd say they would have given me information, necessary information, but I would not consider, I mean, I would say they helped me write it by giving me necessary information, but we do know the difference between writing and giving someone some information. You know, right?  I'm sorry, go ahead, Karima. I agree with that, but my thing is that I think I'm looking at a legal part, like you're saying, I gave you this, I helped you, you know, by giving you this information, I feel like I should benefit if you did benefit off of it. I'm thinking legally, would they have a right to come at me? Sure. Well, you know, it's IP, it's intellectual property.  And I would say that that's a, that would be the most respectful thing to get some kind of a document that says I am allowed to use this story you told me or something in a piece I'm writing, you know, because then of course, you know, we one would be, you know, harvesting, we talked with someone maybe last week or the week before about taking stories from people and then turning them into something. I think those people would need to be acknowledged, but that's a really illegal question. And, you know, I think a lawyer professional would know more about that than I do. Okay, I was just curious. Yeah, good question. Thank you. Good to see you. All right, up next we've got Kim. Kim, are you there? I am here. Hi. Thank you. Hi, Advi. Thank you. So, first of all, I wanted to say thank you so much for doing this. I met you, Lori, Susan Lori, when you were in Cal Arts, it was the final project and Joy Tomasco is a distant kind of a friend through her sister. So I got invited and that's when I met you and that was love at first sight. And I've been kind of dreaming about taking a class or getting closer to you and hear what you had to say. So this is pretty mind blowing that I have this opportunity. So thank you. I'm kind of struggling with a large piece now, think like West Wing or Grey's Anatomy that I'm creating. And I'm wondering how to weave in a large piece with various story lines. And the other thing as a side, if we have time, I have a play that I've reluctantly, I haven't really started submitting it because of the artist statement. I really hate that. I can write for other people, but about myself, not so much. So is that really necessary? Can I just go, hey, if you like it, if you don't, you know, I'm 58. I don't care if you like me, but do you like the piece? I don't know. But those were my two questions. And thank you so much. Sure, Kim. Hey, it's good to, I enjoyed Tomasco's project with such a long time ago. I've put it in my storage container, my mind. It's good to see you again. Let's do the easy question first, I think, which is the artist statement. Does this organization that you're submitting to, to which you're submitting, do they ask, are they asking for an artist statement? Well, there's so many different criteria depending upon who you send it to. And I just don't feel writing it over and over to adhere to every single specific. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. They applied for different things. And it's nauseating to write about myself. I hate it. I really hate it. Going to the dentist is more pleasant. Ah, well, you know, if it's so unpleasant, Kim, I think you should do it just because it's really unpleasant.  You crossed the finish line for that. Now you have to talk about who you are, what you've been doing, what's your name, what's your sign. I mean, just about yourself and what you hope to accomplish with this piece and like that, like what your thing is. Try it. Try it. It doesn't have to be 10 pages long.  You know what I mean? It can be a half a page. You know what I mean? Give it a try. It's just as an exercise. Again, we, you know, people who want to write or want to play an instrument or whatever and don't, they don't often because they think it should be easy, you know? And when they encounter difficulty, they think, oh my gosh, I must be doing it wrong.  And now you have to send out an artist statement. Have some fun with it.  All right. It's loosely based on my life about sexual abuse as a kid and it's a comedy of course because that's how I've had to deal with it. That's my only coping mechanism. I don't do drugs and I'll drink. It's never been my thing. So I just did it through humor and, you know, so it's kind of hard to put into words. Jim, you just put it into words. Hate to tell you. Really? It's about sexual abuse and it's a comedy, of course, because that's how I deal with it. I don't drink. I don't do drugs, but this is how I deal with it. And so here it is.  Thank you. It would really help the reader to, it would really, the reader would appreciate your work even more hearing that from you. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm glad I asked that question. Thank you so much. Sure, sure. Now about the character, multiple storylines, I mean, you got to one character, you know, one character at a time, be very simple.  Yes. Then just picture them in your mind as much as possible, not like who would I want, what actor would I want to play this character, but what are they doing today? What's their journey over the, in the first episode? What's their journey over the season? Where do they start in the season? What do they want and where do they end up?  And I'm sure I know there are so many good books out there about how to write TV series, and they might be good to check out, at least a couple of them. I don't know any by name, but okay. Yeah. I'm steady. I'm doing those master classes with Shondra Rhymes and Aaron Shorkin. There you go. Okay. Yeah. Okay, just don't write a play called The Kill of Mockingbird and put your name on it. That would be my advice. Then, you know, we each have our own cross to bear or God to answer to. So yeah, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks. It's so good to hear your voice. Thank you. Thank you, Kim. All right. Up next, we got Faresta. I think I clicked. Are you there? Yes, I'm here. Hi. Hi. Susan, Laurie, thank you so much for doing this. I finally joined the Zoom call a couple of weeks ago, so now I'm asking my first question, and I'm really grateful to you and everyone else here. My question is that I'm working on a performance piece that originates with a bunch of writing that I've been doing this whole time with you that is mostly in the form of poems. It is around a theme, but there aren't characters and it's not like a narrative. So I'm wondering if you have any advice about examples of work that I might look at or read or things I should think about because I think there's a lot of detail and metaphor that I'm not sure how I'm going to make kind of come alive off the page, even though that's my intention. Great question, Faresta. For colored girls who have considered suicide when the rainbow is enough by Intazaki Shange, is the I think off the top of my head the best example of a group of poems that are vibrant and alive and theatrical and very moving. There are ones, there are many, but that's the one that comes to mind first. Do you know that one? I do. Okay, great. So what do you think of that? Has Intazaki's work helped you? Oh yeah, I love it. I think it's a good reminder to revisit that and also maybe, I don't know if I can find some video of some productions that have been done, because that might be nice too. Yeah, yeah, I think there was a movie made a few years ago that I wouldn't recommend it, I don't think. I don't know if it would give you an idea of it, but I bet you if you get the text, right, from, you know, I would say the bookstore, but you know, you get the text, right? And you read it aloud. I think that could really, you could feel it in your body, you know, you don't necessarily need to observe the staging.  And if you just read the text aloud to yourself to get it in your body, I think that could be very, very helpful. And maybe, you know, I know it was done at the Public Theater last season, which was a beautiful production, directed by Leah Gardner. And, but I don't know if they took a video of it or anything. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Tarek, you are up next. Are you there? Whoop, hold on. Are you there now? Yes, thank you. Hi, sorry about that. Thank you for announcing my name right, which was shocking. Thank you. And thank you, Susan, Laurie Parks for doing this. As everyone has said, this is so cool. I didn't even know about this until the dead of night when my professor emailed me and said, I signed you up for this thing. And I was like, whoa, cool.  And it's just this like really interesting moment where you break out. Like, how did those arise from your writing process? And how do you come to these moments that just sort of set themselves apart from the rest of your piece? Yeah, that's a swell question. I think to make it about your work, of course, because this is about your work. So as you're writing along, a lot of people say, oh, writers, you know, or songwriters or whatever, we have a lot to say, you know, right? So if you've ever been around a person has a lot to say, a lot of times they do a lot of talking, right, which is interesting. They do very little or they do less listening than they do talking. And as a writer, while we can all say we have a lot to say, I would suggest that we listen perhaps more than we talk, right? So that what, because those moments, pretty much all the moments of anything I've ever written come from listening. They don't come from talking. I'm a listening kind of writer, right? Which doesn't mean that I don't have anything to say. It's just I listen a lot. So when a moment comes that kind of breaks the mold, as you call it, of a play and Butcher is talking a lot, that's just because I was listening to him and didn't feel the need to have him conform to something that had come five seconds earlier in the play or five scenes earlier, right? I was just paying attention, right? I was seeing him, which is a way that we give respect, or that a way that we get respect, right? I was reading him, you could say, right? I have a whole, I can get on a soapbox and talk about literacy from one person to another, right? When I see you, I listen, which is why I try, when you guys talk, I try to mute myself so you can see that I am not talking.  So I would suggest as you write along, you know, I'm guessing you're a writer, right? Yes. Okay, as you write along, you listen, allow yourself to be moved by your characters, by your story, by their desires. Okay, so strangely enough, it's not about you, right? It's about the big self, the big S, right? Does that make sense? Okay, now I can unmute. Yes, makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much. What are you allowed to not do and do on this Zoom call is very complicated, but it works efficiently in a tremendous way, so I respect it. But thank you. But does that make sense to you? Is that something that you can apply in your writing? Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.  And it was the one actually at Yale while you were teaching, I think. I think the Dramat did it. But who knows. But yeah, just I think listening makes a lot of sense and trying to hear both of not only as an actor, but as a writer as well. That's a great point. Yeah, it's hard. It's difficult. But it's very helpful in the writing process. And when you're making friends also. Thank you. Yeah, good question then. Thank you. Thanks, Tarek. All right, up next we have got Jacob. Jacob, go for it. Oh, hey, Jacob Rice. I mute yourself. Sorry, I tried to unmute myself at the same time you tried to unmute myself, so then you unmuted me and then I unmuted me. It was great. Needless to say, technologically adept. Hi, Susan White. So the question I have is a question for a particular piece that I'm working on, but also a question that I find myself running into every time I write a play or movie or anything, which is that I feel like I always start with a like goal of sort of theme and idea of what I want to talk about. And then I write for a while and I try and listen and feel myself into the skin of the characters and to steal another of your phrases and advice. And then sort of trust that process to get me to a place that will feel dramatically satisfying. And then I get to the end and I realize that my play or movie is no longer about the thing that I set out to figure out what it's about, but I don't know what it is about. And I'm wondering if you have any advice in terms of sort of ways of listening to the play as it has come out of saying, okay, what are you, so that to then take the next step in second and third drafts of trying to make it a better version of what it is, knowing that it has been, it is no longer the thing that it was when it was an imaginary idea. So do you think like, do you feel like cheated? Like, no, you don't feel cheated.  I thought I was going to write about. Yeah, I think I probably felt cheated the first couple of times. At some point, I realized that this was just the way that I work. And so I had to deal with it.  Come on, Jacob here, it's going to be about scrambled eggs. And then you write it and it's about yesterday and you're like, gee, how'd that happen? You know, well, I think, you know, so you get to the end and it's not about what you thought it was going to be about. Can you ask it? I mean, do you have conversations with your work? Like, what's the story? You know, I feel like your plays or your movies or the things you write always have a relatively strong narrative. Is that not sufficient to, you know, what is little red writing hood about? We could speak about the themes and the lessons, or we could speak about it. It's a little girl who goes into the woods.  Do you see what I'm saying? What is it that you're trying to, can you still tell yourself a story when you get to the end? Yeah, I think what it is is that I start out writing, everything I write, I write to theme. But as I write, I create a story and then it's about, and then I know that to get it to a place that it's dramatically satisfying, I have to figure out what the theme of this new story is, right? That like, the narrative has created its own themes. You know, no, theme is like, like, ah, theme, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, theme, I'm mostly story based and character based.  I can tell you the story. You know what it means now? That's, that's for, I mean, that it could mean 100, 150 million thousand things. What the theme is for King Lear, there are many themes. The story, I could tell you. I wonder if it would be helpful, Jacob, and I've been knowing you for a while, you know, it would be, would it be helpful to really focus on the story and enrich the story and let the theme be something that could be a mini-splendid thing? I don't know. Or just say it's about something. It's about this. I mean, you could ask it. You could also talk to the play. Hey, I know the story, you know. What's the theme? What is your theme? Write down 10 themes. If you really want to know the theme of your play, write down 10 themes. It's about good and evil. It's about an unjust society and how we have to fight an unjust society. It's about, I'm not, I would guess that if you have a strong story, Jacob, the theme is there whether you can articulate it or not. And I think as long as you can tell someone the story, that's going to be the most satisfying thing. I just watched Princess Mononoke again last night.  But the theme is, you know, there are many, many, many, many things, you know? But I could tell you the story. Yeah. You know, pamper yourself.  I know, Jacob. Treat yourself like an eight-year-old and tell yourself some beautiful stories.  You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.  I wish, Jacob's like, what? No, I love it. I have like a list of like 15 things that you've said over the years. I just go back to when I'm lost and I'm like, one of these is going to answer my question. I'm adding that.  If you're like on keto or whatever you try, you were trying to improve ourselves, you know what I'm saying? Something kind, something relaxed. I think the power of story, we overlook the power of a beautiful, beautiful stories. And remember, Jacob, the yarn is what helped the people navigate the maze. Ariadne stood at the mouth of the maze with a yarn, a yarn, a story, yo. And she, and they held on to the story and they were able to navigate the maze. Now, whether they meant that or not, when they wrote it, I don't know, but that's what I get from it. And that's what I believe in. I believe that. I really hope that PON works in Minoan, too. Right, right. I wouldn't know. But, but maybe with some gestures, it can be, you know, right? We can explain it. I think, I kind of think it does. Yeah. You would know, though. Don't you speak? You speak. Don't you speak? Don't speak yet. No. You speak something. Anyway, okay, okay, enough, enough, enough. Thank you. I hope you enjoy your ice cream, Jacob. And on to Jody. Jody, are you there? That is me. I am here. He told me. He said my name. I was like, oh wait, what do I do? So, I want to apologize in advance if I'm a little rambly because I'm not entirely sure my question. And I don't even know if it's necessarily a question, but just rather something that I know I struggle with in terms of kind of like getting out of my head. And I know you talk a lot about listening, like listening to the play, listening to your characters even before that you're writing, and then, you know, and also talking back to the play as it's developing. And I guess I'm just curious, like how do you, or what are some things that you do to balance the listening and the writing so that you don't spend, you know, how do you know when you're done listening? Or is it just something over the years you've developed a rhythm in? Because I find myself, I get so caught up sort of in the listening and the trying to plan. And then I get a little frozen when I'm trying to move from that space into the writing. Does that make sense? And listening could be a whole body thing, you know, Jody. So it's not like listening only happens, you know, here, right? So listening is a full body thing, like you're listening to a friend, right? It's when your character starts to, you know, she starts to, like, do you have kids or pets? I have three. And three as well. Wow, you have three kids and three. Three kids and three pets. Yeah. Oh my god. Okay. So I'm guessing one of them can cross the street by themselves. I think they can all do that. Yeah. Fantastic. There was a moment, right? Wasn't there a moment when you, like, let them cross the street, but there was a letting go, right? There was an allowing that happens when a certain amount of growing had been accomplished, right?  I'm using scare quotes or air quotes because, you know, it's kind of a loosely based series of beat sheet kind of thing where you're thinking, this happens and this happens and this happens. And your character's like, I got it now. I'm going to talk in and you're going to write things down. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's also listening. Listening is also writing things down while your characters are talking. Right. While, while that, while that other part of your brain that seems like a character is talking. You know, right? So you got to, at some point, you have to step out and start writing.  But it's your, it's a feel thing.  Right. Right. And it's not a head thing.    Right. You can, when you take walks, you can talk to them or think about them. That's all, that's a nice thing. Get in your body as much as possible, you know? Does that, does that make sense? No, it totally makes sense. And I love the analogy of with my kids and or my pets, whichever we're going with, because it's, it's such a question of like control, right? And, and, and being able to recognize the autonomy of the individual. Right. Exactly. People maybe a little less are more than pets, but you know, on your approach, I know that makes so much sense. Exactly. And it's also trust, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I'm gonna, I'm gonna trust you. I'm going to, you know, I want to see what you got. And it's okay if your character doesn't figure out everything where they might do a couple of great scenes and then kind of, oh, so listen again. Hey, what happens next, you know? I love a little, a little outline is, is okay. It's fun to do. You know? Great. Thank you so much. You're welcome so much. Good question, Jody. Thank you. Thanks, Jody. Thank you. I got you. I needed you. Don't worry. And up next, we've got about six minutes just to say and got Debra. Go for it, Debra. Thank you so much. I've just been doing this for a few weeks. I'm so appreciative of it. It's been very amazing for me to have this place. So thank you so much. I started at peace when I started doing this. And I know the characters very clearly. I've been thinking about them for a while. So to be honest, I've been writing most of my adult life, but I took a big pause when I had children. So I'm kind of getting back into it. And I find myself doing a lot of showing instead of telling, which I know is a big no-no. And I think part of it is because I don't know where to start my story. I'm kind of like starting over here instead of in the beginning. And I find myself as the characters are doing things, giving so much story. And I'm like, maybe I should just be showing all of this. But I don't know where to start it. And I just would love some advice on how to get to that place, maybe. So Debra, I'm going to repeat a few parts of your question because your audio kind of went in and out just a little bit.   Is that correct? And now you're getting back into it. And you've been writing, and you said you've been, did you say you were journaling more than writing, which is a no-no? Is that what you said? Yes? No, I was saying that basically I've been showing more than telling. Showing more than telling. Sorry. Yeah, I've been telling more than showing. You've been telling more than showing. I know. There's one of those rules. So don't show. I hear you. I hear you. And you're wondering where to start. Is that correct? Yeah, I think that's my problem is because I'm starting in chronological order. I find myself knowing these characters so well that I just just pour out all this back story. I just start telling, telling, telling. Yeah, that's totally okay. I'm going to show you a secret. It's not secret. It's a magic tool, though. I have many of them. Here they are. So these are really, these are really cool. They're relatively affordable. You can, I like them with no lines, although you can get them with lines and their index cards are three by five index cards. And I would say, Deborah, would it be fun for you to get a whole big stack of them and just to start writing out cool things about your characters on the cards? You can put them in any order, right?  Is it a novel or is it a play or? Go ahead. Sorry. Is it a novel? It's a novel. It's a novel. So you can just write things that you'd like to see in your novel.  Just write the scenes out on the cards. Okay. Then you don't have to worry about the order. Then after you've written maybe a hundred of these cards, you say, do you have a lot of stuff? Right? Yeah. Maybe you might want to start putting them in some kind of order that might be pleasing to you. It's fun. It's also very portable. You can go outside for your, I don't know where you live, but you can go outside for your socially distanced walk, right? Wearing your mask, very into masks, and you can carry your cards with you and write on them outside in the park or wherever, or shuffle them around, right? The idea is, and you want one of these, a clip, right? That's an appropriate size. You can keep them together, right? It makes it really fun. It takes, for a moment, it's a way of what we do, call lowering the bar. It takes out the anxiety of, oh my God, did I start it in the right place, right? And it just gets you in the joy of writing. And I very much, we wear it, we all very much want you to enjoy the joy of writing, especially as you're getting back into it. I want you to have a good time, you know? So you can also write if you want, also on your computer and your notebook or whatever, but fill up index cards and then play with the order of them. And the show don't tell, tell don't show. Don't worry about that right now. Who cares? Who cares? You know what I'm saying? The main thing is to have fun, keep writing, and take some of that pressure off to start with, you know, in the right place, the right scene, you know?  It could be a, it could be remembrance of things past. Who knows? You don't know. So just start putting things down on cards and see what it is that starts to accumulate. Energetically, things will start to come together after a little while. Okay. Okay, congratulations on getting restarted. Thank you. It's 601. How did this happen every time? I'm having fun anyway. Yeah, me too. Tell them what you got, tell them how to. All right. As a reminder, if you want to sign up to be inside of the Zoom, you sign up on the public theater website by 3 p.m. every single day, well, Monday through Thursday, by Eastern, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, and I will send you a link between 3 and 4.30 p.m. Otherwise, you can watch us on hotroom.tv. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks, SLP. Love you guys. Thanks, Audrey. Love you.


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hat the Southern Coalition was facing and we thought that Red Hat could help address them So Alexandra then brought in Kevin Ritter and Christopher Tate who you'll meet in a few moments to get that work underway We're really excited for you to see what we did. So without further delay, I will turn it over to Tyler Wittenberg who will introduce himself and the Southern Coalition for Social Justice Thank you for that introduction Clarence. Yes, my name is Tyler Wittenberg. I work with the Southern Coalition for Social Justice which partners with communities of color and economically disadvantaged communities throughout the South to defend and advance their political, social and economic rights We do this primarily through what we call community or movement law. We provide legal and policy analysis, communication support, strategic research, as well as support and organizing efforts And one big issue that we work on is the school to prison pipeline. So what is the school to prison pipeline. The school to prison pipeline is really a web that consists of policies practices And a systemic investment in schools and in certain practices that we know actually support students of color in particular. Part of that has to do with lack of investment in things that we know support students academically. So we look at academic achievement. We also look at the use of exclusionary discipline, that being suspensions and expulsions because we know that students who are suspended or expelled are more likely to enter the justice system. And then we also look at that direct funneling of youth into the justice system, which is school based referrals to law enforcement. You identify disparities within all these areas and we do so by county using the racial record report cards. So these import cards are important because they really give a temperature check on what the school to prison pipeline looks like in any particular school district in North Carolina 115 of them so it's a lot of work to put these together. These are used by advocates, teachers, students, elected officials, whether it's school board members or legislators, all to track progress to see where there's also maybe some regression and to plot a course for how we end the school to prison pipeline moving forward. And it is a very laborious process. Right so a lot of data that is inputted one at a time, which is why it used to take us three months, a few attorneys three months and a lot of interns to get this done. And we were also kind of static in the process because we're not able to really maneuver if there's any revisions that need to need to be done. So with that I'll pass it to Christopher Tate so we can explain exactly what technology you all provided that was able to really help us build capacity for ourselves and for the communities that we work with. Let's talk about the solution. The new site allows the team to input data into an online form for a given school district and a given school year and make the up to date report cards available instantly. The whole project is completely deployed on OpenShift. A PostgreSQL database to store the data input into the form, an Apache Solar Search Engine for storing data for analytics and reporting, a Red Hat single sign on server for user management and role based access control, and an Apache Zookeeper cluster manager for scaling the whole application. The Red Hat Ansible Automation Platform deployed the image streams, secrets, deployment configs, build configs, services and routes for all the open source applications to staging and production for flexible innovation. The new Racial Equity Report Card site is available at RERC.SouthernCoalition.org. Now I will share my screen and we'll walk through the site together. Let's go to the production deployment of the Racial Equity Report Card site. Here you can see the Apache Solar Search Engine deployed and the Apache Zookeeper cluster manager and the PostgreSQL database and the Red Hat single sign on server and the RERC Southern Coalition application. So I click on this and you see the pod running and there's a route to it. So I'm going to click on this route to go straight to the site. Here is the homepage for the site. You can scroll down and read all about Racial Equity Report Cards and why they're important. I'm going to scroll back up to the top and log in like the Southern Coalition team would do. Enter my username and password. Now here I get access to everything. Let's go to the state of North Carolina because that's where we have data available. So this is the state of North Carolina and you'll see that it's related to many different school districts or agencies here. Let's go to Alexander County for example. And so this is the record for Alexander County and you'll see that there are two report cards available for Alexander County 2018 school year and 2019 school year. Let's go to the 2018 school year. This is the form for entering data. I'm going to scroll down a little bit. These are the inputs that are tracked. You can put this side by side and you can access the data where this comes from. The team will go and pull up this data side by side and look at it and record these values over here and along the way they can see up-to-date calculations going on to verify that what they're putting in is correct. So this is pupils and membership by race and sex. For example, down below there is personnel summary, which is the number of school teachers within the district. And here is some school-based complaint data from this site here. And there's suspension data, long-term and short-term suspensions from this site here. And there's academic achievement data, so how they're doing on standardized tests and college readiness from this site here. So after entering all of this data, you can go back up to the top and view the report card for this county. Here is Alexander County in 2018. You can see the school district demographics of the percentage of white students versus Pacific Islander versus multiracial or Latinx or black or Asian or indigenous and the total population. You can see some summary statistics about college readiness and short-term suspensions and juvenile complaints. You can see the ratio of students to teachers of various races and the academic achievement, whether students are graduating within four years of entering high school, the short-term suspensions and long-term suspensions and expulsions and the short-term suspensions by race and the juvenile complaints. So lots of good information here. Now, another way to make sense of this data is through the powerful open API behind the site. So I want to introduce you to that. I'm going to pull up a new tab to API slash report card. And so I'll show you what one of these records looks like. This is a lot of data to look at. We're going to filter it down a little bit so that it makes more sense. First of all, I'm going to only show certain fields. I create a field list of agency name, pupils report card start year, short-term suspensions, black versus white, and graduate within four years, black percent. Now, what we have here is a much smaller set of data for what we want to see. Let's do some additional work here. We're going to filter this with a filter query of report card start year of 2018 and another filter query on pupils total greater than 10,000. So this will filter on counties that have more than 10,000 students. And we're going to sort this data, graduate within four years, black percent ascending. That will show the report cards where black students are less likely to graduate from high school within four years first. Here we have a report card in Henderson County where the percentage of black students graduating within four years is 77%. So let's take a look at that report card. I'm going to go back here and look at change this to Henderson County and we'll scroll down to the graph. So you can see here how 77.5% is pretty low for that statistic. Now, let's go back to the API and just switch this real quick to instead of ascending to descending. And we get counties where the percentage of black students graduating within four years is very high. Let's take a look at Lincoln County. So we go back here, change Henderson County to Lincoln County. Scroll down to the graph and you'll see that the percentages in all the groups is very even. We can figure out solutions where one county is doing really well. What can we do in other counties that can make a difference? Tyler, how has the new site helped your team achieve its goals for racial equity report cards? Well, as I mentioned, it went from being a three month project to a three day project. Now it takes about three of us, no interns, three days, which means we're able to have more partnerships with community members. It means that the racial equity report cards themselves no longer become this larger burden that ends up being its own project. Now it really is a tool to advance the work as we work with our community in various ways. Also, sometimes we miss spell stuff. Sometimes we get one data point wrong. Sometimes the data is updated and changed and we have to be able to react to that because we're posting this information as, you know, it is publicly available. It is publicly available data, but we're posting our analysis and we want everyone to know that we are responsive to it. We are accountable to it. So now when there's a change of any kind, really, we're able to either go in there ourselves and change it in real time right then and there, or simply reach out to Chris and get either advice on how to do the change or support in changing it right away. It makes us far more responsive than we were prior to this relationship with Red Hat. And the timing couldn't be, could not have been better. It is good to hear about the story of how Red Hat came to this work and then responding to the uprising around the murder of George Floyd. We were also at a time where we needed to be extremely available to our community while we also had the obligation to these racial equity report cards. So we were able to be just as responsive as we needed to be while also do what we said we're going to do and get these reports out and do so actually in a much more timely manner than we did last time. So I speak for all of a sudden coalition for social justice and saying we are immensely appreciative for the support from Red Hat. We look forward to this collaboration continuing and from we look forward to learning about ways that coding itself can advance the fight for social justice and just really appreciative to be in collaboration with you all. Strengthening our children, our families and our communities is the most important work we can do. This work with SESJ shows that open collaboration to create a shared solution, leveraging each other's expertise can solve a common problem. Red Hat will continue to support SESJ through technology so that they can continue to make a difference in the world. Thank you. And we're back. All right. Well, thank you Chris for producing today and working through all of the kinks and one of the things is we're especially this last talk. I was really appreciative of the work that Tyler and Chris and Clarence had done to make this happen. And these are the kinds of stories that really make us thrilled to be part of these collaborations and we're immensely happy to be part of it. As well as for all the work that the folks at the Center for Social Justice are doing and we look forward to doing more collaboration with you.  If you're not already a member, join or reach out to myself or Chris or the Open Shift Commons Twitter handle. And we'd be happy to give you the podium and let you tell your story and share it with your peers because we all learn from each other. And that's really the point of Open Shift Commons in today's by sharing these stories. You get to see the immense variety of the work that people are doing that is leveraging red hat technologies and not just Open Shift but SEF and all kinds of other ansible pieces and parts of our different product suites. So we really love that everybody has stepped up today and shared their stories with us and allowed us to share them with you and look forward to doing it again sometime soon. So thanks again to Chris and to Bobby Kessler and the other folks at Open Shift TV for producing this session. So take care. Take care. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time, Chris. Yeah, take it easy out there. Stay safe.