Name your favorite juice world song. Right now, I'm gonna be choosing 10 individuals, okay? And I'll be putting you against another person with their favorite juice world song. And the chat's gonna vote one by one and eliminate you guys off. Personally, if you do not subscribe, like and comment. I'm gonna hide under your bed in the middle of the night and I'm gonna tickle your feet.  Bro, is it because I have this song? It gotta be because I have this song, bro. All right, we're gonna do our first two people, bro. I'm gonna start with you, TJ, because you are at the top. The best juice world song is Iron On Me. All right, Chess, how do y'all feel about that? Bro, is it ill take, bad take? It's not the best, cap?  They're in the n***a to challenge you.    I be risking it all every day, I'm a gambler.  If I see the hofs on the corner, then get back. Them n****s finna get blicked at, eh. 223 bullet hoes through your cap. I'm shooting that grid, I feel like Ray. Allen or something, it isn't a challenge or something.  Y'all bust on the buff, that's a new nutty.   Wanna die, put me in a toll. I'm a hoes coming too.  If homies come, I'll put the gun on you. The chat seemed like they kinda hating, but me personally, bro. Nah, but that's the thing, it's my favorite though, so they can't really complain whether it's the best on it, because it's my favorite. Black Ops, bro. Well, he picked my favorite song. The best song, in my opinion, is Rental. Ooh, ooh, ooh, I'm taking it away. Chats gonna, Chats gonna, Chats gonna attack me for it. They're gonna say it's overplayed and yada, yada, yada. I don't care though.  I think, hey, chat likes you, bro. Chats saying that's a good pick, and I agree. That's a good... W chat, W chat. Okay, okay, A chat, let's go, let's, let's, for the people that don't know in the back of the class, let's go listen to that real quick. I told her right it like a rental. It's just a rental. I'm not with all the sentimentals. Just keep it simple. I already told her my relationship with you. Then she don't ever wake, my heart calls. Oh man, I wonder how far this one's gonna get in the roulette, bruh. Everybody ever do a poll? Do the poll real quick. You see on the poll where it says I and more me, one person? Yes. That's me. Yeah, you see on the other one where it says 25? All right, congratulations, Black Ops. So you will be going to the next round of this. All right, I'll finish you the next two people. I'll finish you the next two people, bruh. Biskie, you can just play that file on Discord. You don't have to download it, but my song is Hope I Did It. Hope I Did It. So they just leaked a song that actually wasn't leaked anywhere on the internet yet, which is why I can't play it here because YouTube would definitely ban me. This is why you should also go to Twitch because you could have heard it. So wait, what are you getting? What are you getting these, these things? I'd love to keep the info, but I cannot.  I think either way, 808 freestyle wipes. Gun beat me like 808, come on now. That's a song, hold on, let me, let me, let me listen to that song we'll catch up.  I'm off of the Eminem, percussive, I can't get straight. I'm a submersion logo. See, I'm a rich nigga from Chicago, aye. I'm my ops, don't got no aim. All the time they coulda spilled my brain. Cure that nigga like rad. I'm paranoid, nigga, spray me. On top of my clock, I'm faded.  Smoking what you say, I'm a money, I'm a mate. I'm the hardest, I'm a brain. She do what I like Eminem, Slim Shady, money in the bank. Don't let me get her, pull up in the tank.  Bitch, I'm from Chicago, I feel like Yeezy, maybe Michael.  Get this cash, get the bag, invest in it all.  I'm proud of you, Distro, you get to the next round. CD versus, what is this profile picture, bro? It's always, it's always something.  Personally, I think rental is, but since that got taken, I'm gonna go with Victorious.  Drugs in my cup, mix it up, yeah, yeah.  I got a girl, Jimani, say that stuff, it's fucked, yeah, yeah. I'm coming, you ready?  This man has a Hall of Fame mouth mover, like I can't, I can't do that. All right, I ain't gonna lie, that was a very lit song, T, I like that, but let's see, CD. I'm gonna go with Barbarian. I need cotton and love with the medicine, I'ma sit till I give it in pattern, in the Linux, I'm from the Barbarian, fill the Louis bag with money to bury, yeah, I don't drink, be able to brew again, I'm in a hominem, I'm in a fuckin' good brand, but she's stupid, I'm a friend on the other hand, I'm friend that's right, I ain't out on the pussy, takin' crap, the magazine, all they cares for that, is I got it for niggas, they don't mind, man. This is a hard round chat, I don't know. Hey, this is what I'm gonna do, chat, have it ties, I'm just gonna take my vote out. It's for the tie, I just know it is, there's always that one person.   Like, bruh, y'all niggas down, bruh. Yep, I voted for a Barbarian, so if I take my vote out, Victoria's won, so. W. What, I really hate that he barely talked, and he has that profile picture, chat. All right, let's start with, I'm gonna start with you, star, so start. I'm gonna have to go to rental, but it's already been taken, so I'm gonna say, fireflies.  So the fact that so many people, that's the third person that said that rental would've been their choice, but it's already taken. You know, it's crazy, right?  Cause it's already down here, am I suggested? Look me in my eyes, I think I'm a man gonna I got this one with a finger. Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, I'm thinking iron on me, cause that's my favorite song. Somebody else already said iron on me, bruh, so. Did someone choose cake? No. Okay, don't do that one. Wait, yeah, do that one. All right, let's go to, let's listen to the cake, chat. In the back of the billion, I'm lonely, listen, get my cake, uh-uh.   Everybody vote right now. This song is a special place in Biscuit's heart. Yes, very much so, bruh. And it's a special place in my meat, bruh. Cake beat, fireflies. All right, next two people, chat. All right, SSL, you can go first then. KTM drip. I knew bro was racist when he stepped in here, bruh. Bro, say KTM drip. I know anybody that likes KTM drip. Everybody's favorite part of KTM drip is the exact same part, bruh. Pills, look at that mother one from the letter me. My G-wagging, no 10s off.   I got bad bitches on deck. Do you need one?    No, you got too excited. You got way too excited. I'm not gonna lie, you gotta calm down.  Send more, send more, send more, send more, send more.  They just allowed this to rack up two milli?  You know she a freak if she's suckin' him. You gotta a freak, okay. Hey, what's the plan, that dog? Chop on me like a hockey stick. Here you go. With the motor mouse, I can't talk that fast juice. I can't, you got it.   I'm sorry, I'm not a doctor's degree in sucking meat. KTM drip one, 17 to five, damn. Me personally, I wouldn't take that angle out. That's me personally though. I'd have been destroyed. We're gonna start with you Ice. Starfire or? Yeah, starfire.  That was the point of my life where I was stuck on this song and I was listening to this song five times a day. So. Even when I'm asleep, I feel awake. When you're awake, I can't explain. Before you are, I'm trying to keep these ladies out my brain. Until you set my heart on fire for 20 blades. Yeah, no cliche. Daddy don't mind my mind. Teen tight and get this star fire by my side. It makes me shake. Knowing you would go and walk away, you can't be replaced. This is top five unreleased love songs for me.  Sorry, emulate Poppy. I was at work, but I just wanted to say you should follow me on Instagram so you can get your rise up.  How are you gonna help me get my rise up? How did that even make sense?  He's the one, he's the individual that prefer men. That is him. Hey, Mr. Big-Eyes knows. I'm gonna go with Jeffrey. Honey, don't meet me. We're gonna catch your body, then you flee to see it. Now you never shot you if you let me be. I'm a problem. You look cool and cool. How do you got blinds? I'm simply used to love coding cause I love to dream. Hold up, hold up, hold up. I can't drive still, hit up, don't know. If you want an education, put you on the news with the channel crew like your boyfriend.  Like these are like three AM box. You feel what I'm saying? And Jeffrey won. Really, Jeffrey? I think Jeffrey is better. You know what, you know what, it's fine. I'm gonna be here next time I'm streaming when I was looking at a juice for reactions.  So now we got the argument around chat. So this is simple. I'm gonna drag two people and they will be explaining why their song is better than the rest of the songs or at least better than the other songs that they're going against. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna start with you, Black Ops, okay? So look, I'm gonna give you a minute. His song was victorious. Okay, and yours was rental. So you're gonna be explaining why your song is the best juice for song overall. You could also explain why it is just better than victorious as long as you get to the next round. That's all that matters. I feel like this man actually like compiled reasons. I did, I did, I got a whole list in my head. Oh my God, this man actually here to win. I like it, but it's not like chat. All right, man, your minute starts now. So rental is the best juice for song because the way that he flows on there and like the flow switches, he switches his flow like nine times and the rhymes he makes and the bars he drops in that song, well, it was probably a freestyle too. It's just so impressive. So there might be songs that like sound better to listen to, but I think rental is his best technical song. Like in the second verse, the way he just keeps going, keeps going faster and faster. You just think it's gonna end, but he just keeps flowing, keeps dropping bars, hard bar after hard bar.  It just fits so well. And it has 10 million views as an unreleased song. Like 10 million people have listened to it even though it's not released. Like that's impressive. So, yeah. Okay, you guys in three seconds left on the clock too. You did perfectly time. That's all you gotta say.  Chad, that was a valid argument, bruh.  All right, so off in the structure a minute now. All right, well, when you listen to the song, you know, you can bop your head, do it. You'll get hyped to it. Kind of feel like you're him or her, I don't know, whatever you want to go with. When you listen to it, you feel great. I don't know, the song is called Victorious. I mean, it will be Victorious soon. Damn, 40 seconds without. You got 30 more. I don't know, I feel like the beat is just nice. You can flow with it. Do whatever you want. I like I'm on the lawn with it. Screw up the lawn but at least I'm bopping to some juice. Give him bop to juice, okay? Other than that, the lyrics are good. I like the lyric choice. Rhyme as well, drop some bars, and that's basically it. All right, hey, that's fine. All right, Chad, so now somebody make a poll. Whoa, oh yeah, rental one.  Yeah, you're bad.  I was just try harding a little bit, I can't lie. I was gonna choose rental and then you took it, so I just switched it up, so props to you. Dang, Rode didn't even believe in himself then. All right, let's do distort and let's do Steve. Is it really fair if I have a whole essay ready? No. Wait a minute, I'm back. Hey, it was good. The whole essay is crazy. I have like three paragraphs, I'm not gonna lie, I have three paragraphs. Do you think you can utter three paragraphs in a minute? I'm a fast talker. Okay, let's, well, since you have... Actually, I'm lying, I only have like two, but... Only two, yeah, okay. Well, you know, since you're already ready with a whole paragraph, distort, we'll let you go first.  I do not think so. My second point is that this is Jukesville's best hype song by far. It's really catchy as well as the flow switches. I've even talked to certain people that don't even like Jukesville, that love the song. I have further proof for that too. This just shows how monumental this song is and how amazing it would be released because the demand outside of the community, unlike many other Jukesville songs. Yeah, this takes a second. Overall, as a comp, we highly appreciate this murder music-esque genre of Jukesville that we don't really see a lot coming from him. I also think it's one of the best mixed and produced songs, making one of his overall best songs. And this was also in the Jukesville 3 era, which is the last era before his death, meaning that he was fully developed and he made the best songs at this point and he had the best engineers and producer at this point. I don't even need the extra seconds. God, God, damn, um, yeah, uh, yeah. You definitely. Yo, Chad, did I click Chad? So which AI did you use to write that, bro? Steve. Yeah. Good luck to you, my boy. Are you ready for your turn? Yeah. Okay, I'm starting your timer now. All right, so, okay, you know, filming is one of my favorite unreleased songs for me. And I feel like since it has like six million plays, yeah, that's why I'm here on SoundCloud. That's doing better than some, that's doing better than some released songs for me. And I feel like, I feel like, uh. Bro, spend half his time saying, uh. I don't think, no, I feel like, I feel like it's just the best for me. And now you like it, right? What was your song again? Uh, it was Rental. What? Yeah, so how was your day biscuit? Can you go back in Nevada or something? Cause it, like, 500% of it was not Rental, bro. Oh, it was Kate. Bro, what the? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it got six million views on SoundCloud. And it has done better than some released songs. Time is already up, bro. Wait, can I get more time? Wait, can I get more time? What? No. Poll is up, by the way. Oh yeah, the poll is up. Bro said, uh, yeah, it, uh, bro, he used me like to get it as a reason to vote where he said, and you like it.  That's what this round just did. Both of y'all was funny. Both of them was funny. Oh my God, my downstairs cheeks. All right, bro, I see, look, that's the stuff that, I gotta do something to you, Gloop.  Another reason why I think Cake is one of the best. Niggas, you're done. Wait, what do you, bro? So, are y'all ready? All right, Ben, in, you're gonna go first? All right, your timer is starting now. My song's just bell. That's actually it? Uh, yeah, it means better than his song. What's your song? You didn't even tell us your song again, like. Oh, my song, Jeffrey. You said it's better than his song? Yeah. So what's his song? I don't even know his song and I know his bell. Okay, SSL, what is your song? KTM Drip. All right, your timer is starting now.   Beach really good. Yeah, that's pretty much it. I said more, I said more.  Well, y'all heard them over their reasons. Put the poll up, KTM Drip or Jeffrey. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, I saw this coming. KTM Drip won. I ain't gonna lie, I didn't think this far into the tournament, we got three people left. I don't know what to do for the last round chat. They all sing the songs and we've, he said they all sing the songs and we thought, no, that would actually be funny. Basically, they're gonna have to recite their songs to the chat. And based on how easy or good the songs are to recite, that's the best song. This is so random, bruh. Hey, look. I'm white though, I can't sing some of the lyrics, it's not fair.  Whose song was KTM Drip? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's funny. That's bothersome. What song were you reciting to us, the story? It's called, Eight to Wear Freestyle, plus, for my band, it's Buzzoo's Road. Okay, okay. All right. All right, I'm gonna be talking so late. He put the beat on, he's crazy. Eight to wear, uh-huh, uh-huh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Gonna be like eight to wear, on this beat with eight to wear. I'm off of them M&M's, Perky said I can't see straight, she do white like M&M's, so JV money do the thing, all of it get my proof in the tank, taking them off like I'm fuckin' a fake, I move fast, ain't some thangs who do the roads, ain't some thangs who do the roads, so when I dance, I'm just this humongous town, I get out of there, we're responsible if I go A. Gotta go A, all my ups and got no A's, that's how I could have been my friends. We're gonna Xendo A, we're gonna Xendo A, I don't know the window A. Okay, okay, the story, the story, the story, you can stop, you can. Okay, start whenever you're ready. All right.  Now the one that we've all been waiting for in chat, are you ready to sing? He had a different person sing the song for him, because his mic is trash. Yeah, can you, so you want to be the reciter for KTM drip? Yes. Now, just wondering, what's your ethnicity? I'm Mexican. Oh yeah, they love the N-word. Now, hold on, what's the record, is it okay if I say the word or no? What word are you talking about? You know, what's your word? Like your people's word. Yeah. What you mean, my people's word, where are you from?  You can do whatever your heart feels like, you supposed to be doing.   Wait, wait, wait, can you pause, can you pause, can you pause?  What do you mean?  I literally didn't say anything.  None of these, none of these Indians. Oh, okay, okay, okay. All right, right, right, okay. Yeah, yeah. He asked me not to do that. I'm asking out of my head, without trying.  I don't know why you keep on saying this, I'm not saying anything bro, no I'm just, I'm just asking, I don't know the lyrics bro, did you like, but like did you hear any word come out of my mouth after I saw that, I know it's because it didn't say anything. No, see, look, look, look, the mic cut out, bro I'm just trying to learn the lyrics, you know what I'm saying, I'm trying to learn the lyrics. The mic did not cut out, I muted. So you muted, which means you said it, but you had to mute it so it wasn't said at all. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I muted so you thought I would say it.   All right, I'm gonna let the chat choose.   The racism is starting inside of you, I'm not gonna have to. In third place we have 808 freestyle, in second place we have KTM drip, I don't know how that beat 808 freestyle, when I know how in your racist, that's the how. And then in first place we have Rental. So Rental is Juicero's best song then, apparently to my audience at least, Rental is Juicero's best song.  I'm actually, I'm decently happy with this choice. But in the comments below on YouTube, let me know what do you think is Juicero's best song. And also leave a subscribe and a like and a comment of your choice, you feel what I'm saying? I love y'all, I'm a miss y'all, y'all should come over to Twitch cause everything is better on Twitch, I'm not gonna keep saying it. It's your boy Biscuit and I'm gone.


Hi, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We are having a CUBE conversation here in the Palo Alto offices of SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE, and really it's a special treat to have a couple of really big brains, or Wikibon analysts, and talk a little bit in depth about this whole private cloud, hybrid cloud, what you should do, why you should do what you should do, and really some specific work that we've published here at Wikibon. So really excited, we've got David Floyer, co-founder and CTO of Wikibon, and Howard Marks, chief scientist, deep storage LLC. Welcome gentlemen. Thank you. So the paper that you've published, and really what we wanna dig down into is called the Strategic Comparison of Public Cloud versus Hybrid Cloud. So I'm gonna start with you, David. Why do we do this research? So we talk to a lot of users, and one of the debates that they're having is what is the strategic direction they should take with the cloud? There's no, absolutely no doubt that the cloud is a fantastic opportunity, that every organization should take advantage of it. But should they move everything to the cloud? Is every cloud the same? What's the basis on which they should choose what were closed to run where, and how to set up the cloud so it's going to be an additive to it, and enhance the application value that's delivered, and not a botanga that's gonna keep them from growing. Excellent. So we're gonna provide a little guidance on that present value of this investment as well as payback terms. So Howard, talk a little bit about the research. Kind of what was the methodology, how'd you set it up? We took two examples of cloud infrastructures, the Federation Hybrid Cloud, which is based on the VCR and VCloud, and the most commonly compared and used public cloud environment Amazon web services. And we went out to see just what the operational differences were. And the first thing that came out very clearly is, once you've added the automation and orchestration layers to your virtualization platform, that from the user experience, if a developer in HR wants to spin up a machine, as long as he's going to a website and spinning up that machine from a self-service catalog, the difference between doing it on-premises in the Federation Hybrid Cloud or in that the public cloud portion of that or on AWS is negligible. One was 27 or 28 clicks and the other was 31 or 32 clicks. But a minute here and there really doesn't matter. So the goodness from the user point of view of cloud can be replicated along any of these clouds? Cloud cloud really means that orchestration and automation layer, that the ability to take a developer in HR who wants to spin up a test environment from having to write a memo that goes to the change control committee that gets approved that then generates a memo to the storage guy and a memo to the network guy and a memo to develop to the virtualized server guy. And all of that takes three weeks and then he can start working. If we orchestrate all of that, he can start working in 15 minutes instead of three weeks. That's the benefit of cloud. And that benefit doesn't come from the fact that it's off-premises run by Amazon or Microsoft or Google, that benefit comes from the fact that it's self-service and automated and we built a service catalog that limits what the choices for those people are to ones that won't get them in big trouble. Okay, so that's kind of the same from the user experience. But in terms of from a functionality point of view, there are differences. And so if you are looking at reasons why you might want to use the public cloud, obviously there are a lot of SaaS applications which are fantastic to use, you know, salesform.com or some of the ads, yes, Office 365. Lots of examples of that where that's exactly what you want. You want to effectively outsource. From a development point of view, if you go to somewhere like Amazon, they really have a very rich set of application tools. You can spin up any sort of software you like. They have a fantastic capability of running application development. So if you are looking at developing a completely new application of some sort, that's where you go. Now, equally though, if you've got an application in-house and you want to modify it, add something on, whatever it is, then almost certainly that's going to be the best platform because you've got the applications there, you've got the databases on-site, the previous databases on-site, you've got all the tools that you use. That's going to be the best way. So it's horses for courses and your choice of cloud is going to be dependent upon what it is you're trying to do. But the other thing that we have to really make sure that people bear in mind is there's a big difference between that AWS model, which is you can develop applications quickly as long as because we've given you all of these tools and the virtualization model, which is you can take anything you have and run it in this automated environment because for example, and really probably the biggest example is an EC2 compute instance can only have one network interface. And so if you have complex enterprise applications that run across multiple virtual machines and don't communicate with each other over the same connection, the users communicate with them over, which is common, then moving that to AWS is going to mean rewriting the application to fit the fact there's only one virtual ethernet interface on that piece, on that virtual server. That's a complicated process. But we're talking now though about as a strategic level, when the command comes from down high, the guy comes back from Davos or whatever and says we got to all get on cloud, right? I just went there and that's what all the other smart people said. Then there's significant challenges and then according to the graph here on the executive summary, there is a very significant difference between a public cloud and your own kind of hybrid cloud. So what this choice was, this particular piece of research we were doing, we were looking at the option of going to migrating or converting an application from its current private cloud to the public cloud or moving it from the current private cloud to a compatible public cloud. So that's the environment we were looking at. So if you, and the reason why this is important is that applications have value. They've been developed in-house or you've taken a package in-house, they're running, they're working well and they have value. That value goes down over time. It's around 10% a year, we've done a lot of research in this area. It's around 10% which is the value that they drop and to keep that application going, you have to maintain it. You either have to bring a new version of a packaged application or you have to maintain it yourself and that's work that goes into it. If you try and convert an application from one environment to another environment, then that's hard work and it's no way a good way of doing it and you can do one of two things. You can either stop or any sort of update to that application, freeze the application or you can convert it and then at the same time be updating it on both platforms. Neither are good. One is complicated and the other one, you're gonna get a lot of complaints if you freeze things. I'm having nightmares of the Y2K process where I was on the team building. We're still here 15 years later. I was on the team building the new Y2K compliant infrastructure and there was another team retrofitting the old infrastructure just in case I didn't finish in time. So talk a little bit about kind of migration versus conversion because clearly if it's migration that sounds really easy and pretty simple, you're just moving it. Conversion sounds much more complicated and clearly I think that's what the driver is behind the Delta as we're looking at this chart. So if you take migration, if you have a virtualized environment and you're moving it, let's say VMware because I saw obviously the strongest out there and you're moving it to, what are they calling it these days, vCloud Air or something? Yeah, something like that. And then you can migrate it to another cloud, public cloud using vCloud Air. That's a migration. That it's the same platform. You're moving the data, you're moving the applications. That's relatively simple. It's still work, but it's relatively simple to do that. There's still the bandwidth issue. Still bandwidth, yeah. I'm gonna move this application but this application's five gigabytes. And what happens for some period of time it's going to be neither fission or foul. And so there is some complication of while that data is in flight, I might have to tell the users you can't use that. What do you mean? It's a cloud app now. It's up all the time. It is, but from running in location A to running in location B, while the data is in transit, I might not actually be able to run that application right now. And you also have the issue of there's a lot of local access to data. You may have some slowdown and things like that. What's the effect of latency of putting in? But in essence, it's not too bad. If you have to convert it, you're converting it one from platform to another. And if you go back to any of the days where people tried to convert things off mainframes, it took a long time. It was very slow and efficient. And in fact, I personally know of companies that were brought to the edge of bankruptcy by doing that sort of operation. They were so out of a line with what the business requirements were that they almost went bankrupt. So personally, I know that. So that's why it takes a lot longer. And then the research, the comparison was, it was 25 months for a breakeven versus five months if you are doing a migration. And the opportunity cost of this was six, what was it, 18 million versus six million? A $12 million opportunity cost. That's a lot of money. And what was the scale? Because based on what you just said, that even seems like a small number to me. A 25 month breakeven relative to, I think you have five on the other one, still doesn't seem long enough. Seems to be... We weren't trying to make it. Right, right. As hard as possible or anything else like this. It's just a pretty normal situation. So the message really is, don't convert. Conversion is never a good thing. Minimize the effort for migration. Minimize whatever you're gonna do. Minimize that and take it in small steps. Small steps where you can make sure that each step is a win-win along the way. Right, right. So it begs the question and you kind of just answered it. When people are doing this evaluation and again, assuming there's a challenge from on high, that we want the goodness of cloudness on as many applications as we can get, what are the really critical factors that they should look at when they're making this decision? And are there midpoints? We often hear about direct connect at AWS. You can have some of that critical data that for whatever reason cannot be inside the walls of AWS that's across the street or on the other side of the rack or maybe the other side of the sheet metal or the other side of the motherboard or whatever it is. In my cage as opposed to their cage. So what are really the key factors when people are making this decision that should really drive them one way or the other? Do you want to take that first then? Well, the first is that the real benefit doesn't come from location. It comes from automation and orchestration. And so, you know, pick the low hanging fruit first. You're going to get 80% of the benefit by automating and orchestrating and then the additional 20% of the benefit that comes from moving some of those workloads offsite in a hybrid environment as opposed to all of those workloads offsite in a hybrid environment, in a public cloud environment can come second. The second thing is that you have to be very aware of what's involved in the conversion. You know, the numbers that we used in the report are kind of mid case assuming the conversion was doable. And I have been involved in projects, well, I was involved in one project where Anderson Consulting built the HR system as a black box for this multi-billion dollar company. And that was three months before the Enron crisis which put Anderson Consulting out of business. And so now they had a five-year contract that Anderson would run this application in their data center for them. And there was no Anderson to run it. And that required- Not to mention the young kid that actually wrote the code, right? He's- The really good news in that particular case was we found him and hired him. But if that wasn't available, we were just lucky on that. You know, now the conversion becomes much more complicated. And the truth is if you dig in the bowels of most corporate data centers, there are those cobalt applications written 30 years ago and nobody writes cobalt anymore. They're just there. It can, you know, if I need to migrate it, I can migrate it. The truth is one of the saving graces for VMware, one of their earliest use cases was applications like this that were running on NT4. And you could virtualize that NT4 machine when the hardware it was running on was going out of support and that saved you from ever having to worry about if it broke, how am I gonna get spare parts? Right, right. But we didn't change it. We just moved it. And now if I wanna send it to AWS, well, that application doesn't use elastic load balancer in the elastic database service. It uses some 1492 Kodasil-style database that's not even SQL. And to change that to fit a modern architecture, well, the truth is you should just write a new spec and write it from scratch. It would be easier. Right, right. So going back to another point that you made, which is location and where you should position things, that's actually a very crucial decision to make. Clearly there are a lot of new data that's coming off the cloud and a lot of new applications which we'll want to access there. But equally clearly, you've got a lot of data on site as well. Now sometimes you can draw a very good distinction. So for example, email, it's pretty easy to put that out somewhere else. The degree of integration. You just talked to SMTP to it anyway and in the latency, isn't that big a deal? It isn't that big a deal. But for a real time, for your call center application, which is the heart of your business, if you want to link that to data coming off from the internet, for example, about who's calling you and what they're doing and where they are, if you want to integrate in that sort of way, then you've got a requirement to have your data and the cloud data close. You can't have seconds of delay there. You want to have it really close. And that's where, for example, the benefit of having a metadata center outsourcing your private cloud into that metadata center and then being able to throw a cable over the transom and connect using Direct Connect or whatever it is to the cloud makes a huge amount of sense. So again, you can keep your private cloud but you just position it close to the public cloud and then optimize the latency between the two environments. So it sounds like then, if I'm hearing this right, the real focus, the real priority should be really on the orchestration and the automation and cloudness is really a method to get to that but it's really not cloud first and then the other. No, orchestration and automation is cloud. Do cloud before you worry about public? Not anything, we have to be really clear about the fact that cloud doesn't mean public. Cloud means the self-service, the automation and the orchestration. And I think most people get that mixed up or they just are wrongly prioritizing around geography or commercials. Your CEO is stuck in an airport and you saw it, to the cloud. This is just not where you want to go. So they think and they don't really think through that I can achieve the orchestration and the automation other ways than just simply doing it via one of the public clouds. Yes, and there should be a priority. That, if you're gonna survive as a CIO, if you don't get your own costs down by making your operation cloud-like, that's very, very important. Convergence and cloud capability are too easy to do things which are prerequisite. And then you're not gonna be a million miles away from that. And then you can make decisions based on where the data is, where the functionality is, where, what I have, what data do I have, et cetera. You can make rational decisions.  It's a mixture of those two things with taking into account latency and taking into account cost and functionality. So again, the paper is on wikibon.com, strategic comparison of public cloud and hybrid cloud. Before we go, I wanna give you guys each the last word. Haven't done this work. You guys are in the field a ton. Two or three sentences of advice to people that are evaluating this move. The advice is really simple. Pick the low-hanging fruit first. You can implement orchestration and automation through commercially available products like the cloud director or they realize whatever they renamed it to or through open source projects like OpenStack if you have the requisite PhDs on staff to manage it. But either way, you're gonna get the acceleration of business process that comes from developers being able to spin up instances in minutes instead of weeks. And that's where the first benefit comes. That's the big money and let's worry about everything else after we've started doing that. And in fact, if you do that and leave it in place for several months, then you'll better understand what your requirements are for the next step because you've absorbed it into your IT department culture. So I've got two things that I think are really strategically very important indeed.  So that's number one is don't convert sometimes you have to convert. The only reason to convert is you don't like that application anyway. Yeah, in case you rewrite it or buy something else. You have to want to change it first. But the other thing that I want to emphasize is the long view of this. Where I believe we're going is being able to take all of that data in the cloud that's available in the cloud and available locally and use that data to improve the current business processes and the current operational systems. And if you can get that data and you can get it fast and if you can use it, what we call systems of intelligence create those systems of intelligence that's where you want to be. So in designing your architecture of your data centers and your cloud architecture, et cetera that's the end point. The business benefit of being able to automate processes that previously needed people. Automate those processes, get the data so that you can automate it and improve your business processes. Those are in the order of 30 to 50% improvement in productivity and they're going to make discussions about what cloud or where I just look puny in relation to it. So have that as the end objective of what you're trying to do and then pick the set of hybrid or where things are with that objective in mind. Excellent, it was a great close. So Howard, thanks for stopping by. David, always good to see you. You're watching CUBE Conversations at SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE offices in Palo Alto. We'll see you next time. Thanks for watching.


We will start right here on my left with Jean-Claude Cruffaut who is a banker by background and who is now the chairman of the Competitive Enterprise Institute in Washington. Jean-Claude. Good afternoon, thank you very much. I'll start by apologizing for not wearing a tie. I'm the victim of transit of luggage between two airlines. Good lesson, always take the same airlines, make sure that your luggage follows. Having said that, I will try to be brief and essentially cover three points. First of all, we have the constant, I would say, of the US policies since World War II and we have several periods and several themes. We're all driven by the United States. The first one was the Cold War, you just made a reference to that. That Cold War was specific in a sense that it was purely military. There was no other type of relationship between Russia and the Soviet bloc and the rest of the world. It was purely military, there was no investment, there was no trade. There were two different worlds. The Cold War we're talking about potentially between China and the rest of the world or part of the world is a very different nature. Then the Cold War was followed by the war on terror. The war on terror was a mixed bag and the result was, in a way, and you mentioned Afghanistan. Personally, I think it was a mistake to be in Afghanistan for more than taking care of bin Laden and Al-Qaeda and tried regime change. We've seen that the basic failure of the war on terror was the attempt to change regimes and impose a different type of institution, democratic institution on societies and culture that were not ready for that. We can mention that's clearly the case in Afghanistan, that's clearly the case in Iraq, that's the case in Libya and probably the case in Egypt as well. Then followed the Trump period, if you will, and the Trump period was essentially characterized by the fact that I'm quoting someone else. Trump's foreign policy was both immoral and transactional. He had no ideology. Trump had never had any type of ideology. He had, if you will, sort of opt-to-curve reflex. He has fixation. He's a person with narcissists and psychopath type of attitude. I can say some negative things on Trump because I'm also gonna say some positive things about Trump. But the fact of the matter is that Trump, with America first, essentially didn't change fundamentally the relationship with the rest of the world, but the style changed dramatically. And there was this fascination for authoritarian regime. And that was also the fact that he wanted to abolish, go back on some of the engagement that had been taken by previous administration, whether the Paris Accord on climate change or the so-called Joint Cooperative Agreement on the G2PA, which is the nuclear bill, with Iran. So we had this policy, and then there was a change, and then there is the renegotiation of NAFTA with the new Mexican-Canada trade agreement. So that's the first point. The second point is, in spite of the change of administration, there is a continuity of policies in term of foreign relation. And I can only, I refer you to a paper just been published by Richard Haas that I'm sure many of you are familiar with from the Council of Foreign Relations in the last issue of Foreign Affairs, where it basically says there's not much difference between go back to Bush, 43, then Obama, then Trump, then now Biden. Essentially, as you mentioned, there's been no real change in term of the protectionist measures that were taken by the Trump administration, the tariffs that were imposed on China, but also on European product, the limitation that we've seen in term of international trade. These policies have not really been modified substantially. The only thing that you can say, there might be a difference of style, and I'm not even sure of that. And the second point is that we've seen, effectively, that Biden is trying, and you mentioned it for China, Biden is trying to rebuild the relationship, saying we may be in disagreement on all the things, but at least we're in agreement on climate change.  So there is some uncertainty about that. The other point that I want to mention is the building frustration that have occurred over the last decade and again, over many presidencies. And we can talk about the percentage of contribution to the NATO budget. The US administration started with Bill Gates, but continued with other administration, during other administration, wants to see at least a contribution of 2% of the members of NATO to the budget. And we're only an average at 0.170, 180. The only two countries that are spending more than 2% are the US and the UK, that explain a number of things. There was also some frustration on the other side. The European final agreement with China, just at the time of the change of administration in Washington in December 2020. And that was not very well received by the administration. On the other hand, on the other hand, you have, as you mentioned, Afghanistan, where clearly the decision and the logistic of the pullback was purely an American decision without any consultation with allies or even the member of the coalition. And the result is what we've seen, which is a complete debacle. So when you put all of that into perspective, you shouldn't be surprised if things are not going well between the different parties to the transatlantic alliance. And the result of that can be seen in some of the things that we've observed recently, the story of the submarines. I'm told that the story of the submarines is largely the fact that the Australian became very well aware of the assertive policy of China and were concerned that the solution brought by the French were not necessarily what was needed. They went to the bridge and the bridge went to the Americans. And then happened what you want to know. I'll finish by just talking briefly about the new Cold War. The new Cold War in my sense does not really exist as a Cold War because the other relations are too important. And they are particularly important, and I'll stop here for China because just two numbers to keep in mind. The import export of goods and services represent 25% of the American GDP and 35% of the Chinese GDP. So the trade relation is much more important for China than for the US. Particularly because the balance between import and import is much more in favor of China. China export, for the US we export about 11%. The Chinese export half of the 35%. So they're much more dependent on that. So I'll stop here and I'll be happy to take questions.


Just give them a little squad and welcome back to our channel. As you guys read by today's title, we are going to be reacting to our old TikToks. We're going back to 2019. It's currently 2022. Three and a half years ago, we started TikTok. Our first TikTok was 325. Yeah, so three and a half years ago, guys. Do you realize that is like half of a decade almost. This is when TikTok was only like out for, not even like probably a year. Yeah. We started it up. There was really nobody on TikTok when we went on it. And then it was like all these like cringy like videos and we were one of those couples that would post the cringiest stuff. I think we started TikTok when we had like 50K on YouTube. Yeah. 30K on YouTube? I don't even remember. I think we had like 30,000 on YouTube, 50,000 on YouTube, something like that. But I do remember when we hit 100,000 on YouTube, we hit 600,000 on TikTok because our TikTok blew up. And I think what better way to start this video off than starting it off with our first ever, ever TikTok video. And we've done over probably 500,000 of them. Just be aware these TikToks are cringy. Yes. Just be aware, you guys. When I tell you the quality, the- Oh, the quality was terrible. The way that we used to look, we looked like babies. We had like an iPhone 6 or something at the time. I don't even remember what iPhone we had, but let me just tell you quality. Just the way that we filmed. TikTok quality was bad in general. TikTok was bad in general. Just looking at it, I'm just preparing your eyes. All right, let's go. Our first video with 113,000 views seems like a lot, but it's really not.  And this probably got views after a while. So we probably posted it. This probably only got like 100 views. Yeah, this probably only got a- Yeah, it did. It did. Just play it. Oh, God. How do you- Oh, no, no, no. Ew. You better run. We filmed this like at least 10 times. Cause we know how to use TikTok. So that was our first ever TikTok video. Well, you guys want to know some of these videos, I think we ended up deleting, but some of these videos we actually did for YouTube a couple years ago when we were like recreating TikToks. Remember we did that on our channel? Yeah, but we, this, that was our first one. Oh my gosh. That was our actual first one. You guys, this one, cause we didn't understand how TikTok worked. It took forever to film TikToks. It was insane. We literally, we're going in with a blind eye, did not know how anything was. Nobody was really even doing TikToks. So like a lot of people were, but like it was, it wasn't, like it is not. All right, you want to, you want to see a really, really cringy one? Here we go. It's the same song. Yeah, I know. Look at the quality.  Why am I bouncing? Oh no. But this is what people did back then. We thought we were so cool. We, you know how excited you could see at the end. You were so excited because we- We tried that for a long time. Yeah, we did, we did. Oh my gosh, y'all. The cringe, the cringe levels are on a million. Here we do this one. This one. Okay, sorry about the lab. This one's funny. Ready? Oh my God. We did so many of these. Every single person was doing that trend. Yeah. That was a huge trend. We see the trend. It's got so 119,000. Oh, there's like recents. Oh, I just don't see it. They're also 2019. Yeah, no, no, no. So this is all from 2019. But baby, they're quality. I remember that guy. I remember that guy. Why is their quality good and ours is so bad?  I mean, I guess it's not terrible. No, we filmed bad. We filmed terrible. Okay, wait, wait. Here's this one. Oh my God. Look at me. But look at you. Don't be looking just at me. Look at you as well. Were you guys on TikTok at this point? Because this is how it was. Like they had like the oldest sounding sound.  Oh my God. I'm sorry, but this is terrible. Is that crazy that all of this?  Oh, this is bad. This is bad. This is really bad. We trying to get. Oh, you're good. I'm just supposed to terrible at dancing. Best for 100 on the dash. I remember doing this. And then we, hey, look at my, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait. So what's the woe now? The woe has changed so many times. Mine was, that was mine, but it was, it was woe. Remember that? And then it went to, uh, and then it went to, uh, and now it's like, uh, uh. All right, let me get it, Bill. You're good at dancing now. No, now they do it, now they do it like that. It used to be woe like that. You guys, I just have to say. These are so cringy. It's so bad. Like it's so funny though. Any of you guys that could go on our TikTok and watch all of them if you want to because we're screwing through a lot. Okay. Okay. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Dude, my woe wasn't even anything. It was like, I just went like that. Whoa. Oh my God. This is funny. I remember when Bill said, Mariah, there is a trending TikTok right now. I need you to put these sunglasses on. I'm going to go downstairs and grab this ice. Was it a trendy TikTok or I think I, I think I can't stand it. Oh, you came up with it and you. Yeah, but I think it was a trendy sound. Just wait to see what, watch what he came up with. Ready? Watch. She's good back then. Watch what he came up with. Got it. That is the only thing. Wait, wouldn't you do the cup? Right now. I'm grabbing a cup and ice cubes and we're doing this. It was not bad. Tell me it wasn't bad. I remember you were like, trust me, babe. Trust me. This is going to be so good. And he thought he was so good. Do I know what's funny? That was like the third try. We did that a couple of times too.  I was just thinking that in my hand. Wait, I want to play this one. These types of videos is what made us go viral. It's stuff like this. This was the biggest trends back then. Kneeling down. Act like he's going to propose but then he's tying his shoes. And then I'm tying my shoes. And then you walk away dramatically. And I ran, I ran. Yeah, these are like the trends. Hold on, I'll find another one that's exactly like that. And it's like slow-mo's, like where they like help you like up and grab. Oh yeah, which one was the funniest? I remember filming that. Remember this?  We were downstairs by your kitchen table. Remember? Yeah, I do. Ew. Ready? Wait a minute, you looked good there actually though. So I don't look good anymore? No you do. You said you look good there actually. You look good there, like a young man for you. So I usually, so I usually didn't look good there. Oh my gosh, you're so dramatic. No, you just looked cute. It's how you said it, babe. This one's freaking funny.  This one did good though, back then. You look good. Tell me why you look like Nate Jacobs there. I always look good, baby. And we look like Nate Jacobs. I remember that time. Hold on, let me find one you guys. No, these, these, these. Those did good. Oh yes, we have a secret. So we have a secret. And then to tell you, and it's so, you have to pause on the video at a certain time. These always went viral. Yeah they did. Because people would watch it over and over. And they would see it. And then we'd be like, DM us if you saw it on Instagram. Yeah, and then if we did see it, and you have to DM us on Instagram. It was so popular for TikToks like correlate over to your Instagram. I feel like it's kind of harder to do that now. But like back then, you would be able to like say follow us on Instagram and be like, oh, if you do this, we'll do this. And everyone would come onto our Instagram. It was crazy. It was way crazier when it came to like, just the old, old trends. Like the way that. Cause nobody does that stuff anymore. Oh my gosh. So wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. This is our first TikTok that ever went viral. Okay, hold on. This was, okay. So all these TikToks that we did before, we honestly didn't really care.  But then we noticed how big TikTok was coming. And we're like, we have to get on this before it's too late. And this is when we kind of started taking it serious. It was this. And I came up with this. So look at this. We were in Chicago and don't disregard all the views. Like I know the last video had like 200,000 views. Those grew because we grew over time and people watch our old things. This was the first video that ever blew up for us a little bit. It's at 170K. What was it at? What was it at that we were like 10K? It got to like, no, it got to like 50K in a day. Oh, yeah. It was crazy. So it was this one. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. I think it got to 100K. You're right. By the time that we got home from Chicago. So this is what I came up with. Bill came up with this one. Remember this guy took a picture next to a trash can and said I couldn't tell the difference. Oh my gosh, y'all. This is freaking hilarious. That one got 1.5 million views. And that was crazy. Look at my shoes. Why would you let me go out in those shoes? Why would you let me go out in those shoes? You look cute. That is straight disgust. I cannot believe like those shoes. You like those shoes. Yeah, I do. I remember you were typing the wrong thing. Because style was so different. I look like... Style was so different. What do I look like from the Wizard of Oz? I look like that girl. This is the next video. That said 11.3 million views. So these were big. This one, we're about to get to the parts where like TikTok was like what TikTok was all about. I think we gained like, by now we hit 100K, right? We were known for like trick spots. So this is the video that got us to 100K basically. Yeah, but we were like known for like trick shots. Like what? Like when we would like ski each other stuff places. No, no, no, no. It wasn't trick shots. Not trick shots. I was just saying getting us stuck. Pranks that we get each other stuck in positions. All right, here's this one. This was our biggest video back then. And this is what got us to 100K. Like two days later, we hit 100K. Yeah, we did, right? Our first 100,000 followers. All right, come here. 1.8 million likes, bro. All right, come over about this template. And this actually works.  No, you can't. I wasn't joking. Wrap your left leg around your right leg. All right, now sit. Or was it lying? Sit down. All right, now try standing up. Hey, I'm gonna go over the pizza. Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no. Can you really back it up? It's actually scary. There's another one you did though. All right, bye, love you. And I was like hanging upside down. And now we got 11 million views. That's the one, look at that. Two days later, we hit 100K. Yeah, we did. Our 100K videos. Here's another slow-mo that we would do. This was so trending. All the slow-mo's were good. All the slow-mo's were high. Oh, life was so easy then. It's still, it's easier. I know, but I know, but life like, I just remember being able to create these types of videos and they would go viral. Just like, even though they're really cringe or just. This is before TikTok was really anything, no. Where's the other one that you got me stuck at? Oh, here's another one. This, we did it again, but Bill tried a different one that he saw. This one was scary. The first one I saw someone do and we recreated it was the pole one. This one, I came up with this. I didn't see anyone do this and it went viral again. Watch it. Ryan, Ryan, come here. Sit up right here. Sit up on this ledge. Just trust me, babe. Put both of your legs through these two holes right there and face that way. I just do my buns every day. One leg. All right, two legs. All right, hold onto this pole with both arms and flip back and have your knees rest against the pole. So flip back. This was hard, guys. You can trust me. I don't know if I can do it. Just flip back, you got it. All right, now you're stuck. Now try to lift yourself back up. All right, let go and try to get out. Babe, I love you. Stop the camera. Stop the camera. I love you, bye. I love you, I'll see you later. Who noticed her face was orange? She looks like she's six. Everyone in the comments was going. Why is she so red? Her eyes. How many filters did they put on her? Cause I look so freaky. It's cause the sun and the way the camera caught it anyways, that video is another video to go viral and shortly after that we hit 500 followers. And here is another slo-mo we used to do. This was good. This one viral. This one viral, remember? It's like what people think that I'm just a random guy picking you up. You guys, this is just cringy. I remember people were like, if that was me, I would smack them. Oh, here's another one where you got me stuck up on the ladder. Up on the roof. And then? Were you so easy? Did you just hold it there? No.  Ugh. Ugh. I put her phone out of the roof. Oh god. How am I gonna get it? I can't open this one too. Go get it. Nobody was doing this, remember? Mm-mm. And every single time we did it, they went viral. We were really creative, but we made some creative videos back then. Like I thought I gotta say, cause we really. No, I know. And look, I took the ladder down. And the neighbor was watching me. Nope. I'm gonna go watch a movie.  I love you. Say bye. Bye. That went viral. Dude, every single one of those that we did, there was another one. Oh. Like I see so many. Wait, baby, this is so cringy. This took us a million tries. And everyone at this beach was making like so hard for making fun of us. So by this time, we're at $500,000. We're probably at $600,000 on TikTok. Cause that last video. Oh, here we go. This is just so. This, we took like a hundred tries. Oh, I can't even watch it. Cause my eyes are gonna. Just click it. Just click it. Look how small I am. I have no muscle. Look at this. What is that? What is actually, what are we doing? That was a trend. That was a trend that we recreated, remember? What? Oh my God. That was a trend that we recreated. Oh my God. This next video that we're gonna show you and I know we're getting up there. Like by now we're already at like $700,000 followers on TikTok. This next video, when we posted, we were in Florida. And it's another stock video, but this one went mega viral. I remember refreshing it. It was getting 500 views to 1,000 views a second. Guys, this is what I'm talking about. We used to do a bunch of these types of videos. Like imagine refreshing your video in every second. 1,000 views, 2,000, 3,000, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. I want you to put your two hands through this top part and your two feet through the bottom part, please. I don't know what filters we put on our videos. They were terrible. The G6. Oh, G6. I remember that. I know. All right, now I'm going to put this. Guys, the watermelon was so heavy. Oh my gosh, Bill. I came up with this.  Bye, I love you. You're stuck. It's been serious, guys. 2.8 million likes. What the heck? Oh my gosh. Y'all. That got 20 million views. That is insane. And just a lot more of those videos. We did a lot of stuff videos, a lot of cringy ones. So by then we were at a million followers. Can we film that? Yeah. 1 million on TikTok. Guys, if you want to go through our old TikToks, we have so many. I feel like we were so creative. Not that we're not creative now, but those were like when we actually like came up with our own trends. Okay, we can try doing another stuck one where I can try to get you stuck. The last one that we've done was in the apartment and I got you stuck underneath the sink and you freaked out, remember that? Guys, I- Can we actually find that video as the last video on here? Cause that was the only last time I got Mariah stuck. And I'm just gonna tell you guys right now, I actually had a panic attack. Like I don't think Bill realized until like after- That's cause I locked you in a freaking cabinet. Yeah, I legit thought, I don't even wanna- Over here. We should bring him back.  Okay, watch this. I feel like the sink is- The screams and everything that you hear in this are like, I legit was so scared. 360K likes. And Bill thought I was just gonna feel good. No. Yeah, I'm gonna run the water and you can see if there's like a leak under there. All right, y'all good? I'm just gonna shut this down there so you can hear it. What is happening? No, no, I'm shutting it so you can hear the water. She can- Why are you shutting it? She can hear the water when I put it on. She can hear the water. Did you see any leak? Look for the leak. If you guys don't know this about me, I can't be stuck in small spaces like that. How many views is that? Okay, that got 2.2 million views. Should we do another one of those? I feel like we should. Well, that would be a good idea to do. I feel like we should try. I remember the first video we've ever filmed in our apartment got 25 million views. The second video got 17 million views and the third got 5.6. We thought, oh my God, moving out to our apartment, like the best decision ever, which it was, but like it was just crazy that that same day that we moved into our apartment was one of our most viral videos.  So I feel like once we moved out is when we started seeing like really big growth, I feel like. It was. So when I did film that last TikTok that you just saw, that is when we hit 10 million followers on TikTok. That's in our apartment. You look so cute. We hit 10 million on there and we hit a million in our apartment. We hit a million in our apartment, 10 million on there. In our house we hit like 12 million, 13 or 14 and then like 1.4 on YouTube. That's so cute, back in the day. I know. Everywhere we have like we bring all of you guys with and like we hit milestones at every single different location. So like makes the memories there even better. Even though these past videos are cringy and you're like, oh, why do we do that? I love looking at them. They're funny. Like they honestly cracked me up. And you can see our whole life story and how we grow and how our videos just get better and better and better. The quality. And they just, they get, yeah, they get better the quality. I wonder if we're going to look at it when it's a couple of years later. We're going to look at these videos and think the same thing like, dang, we were young, stupid. But hey, we hope you guys enjoyed this video. A blast to the past for us. Yeah, the cringe and the funniness of what we used to film. It literally was a roller coaster. It was so different than it is now. And it changed a lot. Things are totally different. Like everything, like the way we looked, like the way like we just grew up. Yeah, we're growing up and every single time, like every stage of our life, we look a little different. And that's what some people don't understand either to be like, oh, she's changed. I'm like, yeah, I've changed. Like I'm older now. They're like we're changing for the better though. We're adapting. We're maturing and stuff. And for the next chapters of our life, like we had our parents' house where we're starting everything and then we're blowing up. And then we moved to our apartment and then we moved into our house across the country to Florida. Next chapter in our life is what?  And then like the amount of content and the amount of people that are gonna be new to the Marvel Squad from that is just gonna be insane. And like- Yeah, it's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be crazy. There's a lot to come. So looking back at this, like before we had anything now we just have our cats in our house. But like before our life gets too crazy with kids and stuff and marriage and all that. I just, I only want my kids to be my kids right now. Don't worry, one day we will have kids. We will, we're just not ready. Like timing is different for everyone, but you know, our timing will be our time. Oh yeah, it will. And it'll be awesome. Well, thank you guys so much for watching this video. We hope you enjoyed it. If you want to see more, make sure to go on our TikTok. Check it out. Follow us and scroll down. Just have some fun. Like we have a ton of content.  I know, I mean too. And each video took like between five minutes and an hour to film. Oh. So we've put 50 million hours into filming. It's crazy. Oh my gosh, it's insane. But guys. But we will see you in the next video. But until then, Peace, love you guys. Peace, love you guys.


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Live from Washington D.C., if the Cube. Covering Inforum DC 2018, brought to you by Infor. Welcome back to Washington D.C., we are live here on theCUBE at Inforum 18. I'm John Wallace along with Dave Vellante, and it's a pleasure now to welcome to the show from CapGym and I, a couple of folks are Rachel Myers, who's director of alliances at CapGym and I. And John Clark, who's the VP of Infor Practice at CapGym and I, and Dave, put your phone away, would you please? We're off to a good start. We are! We are! We're off to a good start. Give me guys again. I think we're just giving them directions for dinner tonight. I think what you're doing, it's down the K Street, take a ride. John drive scooters without a helmet. That's great. Inside story. Rachel and John, thanks for being with us. We appreciate the time here. Thanks for having us. Let's talk about the partnership with Infor, where it's coming from, what you are adding to that, how you view it, what you're getting out of it. And John, if you would? Yeah, absolutely. First, hello from DC, like you said. The relationship that CapGym and I has had with Infor goes back over 20 years, but we formalized it really two years ago and had a strategic partnership defined around several of the products that Infor has with a big focus on digital and cloud. So CapGym and I seized at Infor is really leading the charge on a lot of native cloud products out there. And we know that that is certainly something our clients are looking for. So formalized relationship and extremely excited to be lead partners and sponsors here at Infor. And so Rachel, where do you come into play here then as far as director of alliances goes? I mean, I think the job title probably speaks for itself, but in terms of how the Infor relationship works and where it comes in to your portfolio, to your point, how does that work? So I manage the relationship with Infor as our customers are looking at cloud and all the options out there. I manage the relationship into Infor, bringing the right folks to bear to our customers and joining at the hip where we need to in support of our customers. Okay, so you mentioned John that it's been a 20 year relationship. So that means it goes back probably to the lost in software days, right? In the whole early days of ERP. Now we come into the modern era, get cloud, we're hearing all about AI. We're also hearing about sort of micro verticals and industry expertise. So square that circle for me because you guys have deep industry expertise. How do you mesh with Infor? Yeah, great question. We absolutely, as you said, go to market from a sector perspective. So everything that we do has some tint of an industry or a sector verticalization and it matches exactly well with how Infor goes to market with last model functionality. So what we do, for example, is look at where they are, where Infor and our sector team see gaps like on food processing companies and we'll build out that solution and take that to market. So really kind of extending the last model functionality within Infor and having kept Gemini solutions as well. So does that functionality ultimately make it back into Infor code or not necessarily? Not necessarily. Okay, all right, so it's like last inch function, right? Exactly, that's probably good analogy for you. Okay, so, well, it's always the hardest part, right? I mean, you think of cable, you think of all the sort of examples, right? So the old story is if you're here and you want to get to the wall and you go halfway, you never get there, right? So that's kind of the process that you're in. There's always more to do, right? Right, right. Okay, so what's hot these days in your space? Well, we're here at Inforum talking to customers and our partners about many things but we actually are speaking about Industry 4.0 which is a big hot topic, supply chain and EAM, Enterprise Asset Management. We have practices and expertise in all of those so we can bring the best to our customers from a system integration partner capability which would be us along with Infor and the products that they bring to bear. So what's the 101 on 4.0? Presumably a lot of automation, more efficiency, driving business value. How would you describe Industry 4.0 next gen? It's the next evolution I would say to automation of processes. We're getting closer I would think and people are definitely piloting to get there but building a roadmap and helping them really see the value is what we're trying to do with our customers these days and making it real and really producing some ROI beyond that with automation. So AI is a piece of that.  I think it's definitely a roadmap item. I think there's some experimentation but what we're definitely seeing become real is robotic process automation, RPA. We're doing a lot of that with our customers and taking it beyond experimentation to actual ROI. I mean RPA is exploding. I was actually impressed and surprised to hear so much of RPA talk this morning. I didn't realize that Infor had quasi out of the box capabilities there. So what are you seeing? A lot of sort of back office functions, getting automated software robots, getting trained to do mundane tasks. What's the experience there? I think as we are implementing ERPs like Infor's there is a need to take processes that customers are doing today, manual and automate those to see the extension and the ROI beyond just the ERP software. We do see a lot of it start in the back office. So a lot of finance and HR functions is kind of the first place that companies look for is one thing that we do see on RPA projects is don't try to tackle everything, but get focused and get some quick wins, if you will. And that's really where we built our library and where we work with Infor. Is it fair the automation if it is coming from the lines of business, right? We're just kind of in a wheelhouse, right? It's not sort of an IT thing so much. IT's probably a little afraid of it, but is that the way to see it? Yes, it is, yes. And so talk about kept Gemini strategy as the world sort of evolves.  And for years, it was like the big SAP implementation or the big work on implementation. How are you guys changing your business to accommodate that new thinking? So really on several fronts, one is definitely the methodology that we have and we see on projects is shifting from a waterfall to an agile. So much quicker iterations and cycles on the projects themselves. And usually the scope, it will start off with a line of business. And again, if it's looking for, hey, I just need improve the digital relationship I have with my customer, which can a lot of times just mean start a digital relationship with my customer. So it's really, you know, you got to keep a tight focus on the scope and just have an agile approach, which again is what we have changed in methodology sport. So digital obviously is real. I mean, every CEO that we talk to is trying to get digital right. A lot of experimentation going on. Like you said, a lot of, hey, we have to have a digital strategy. Then you throw AI into the mix.  It's a complicated situation for a lot of firms. What are the discussions like with customers? Where are you seeing the most success or early traction? I think having the vision and the scope of where you want to go three years, five years down the road and being able to prioritize against that roadmap, what's going to give you the biggest benefit first so that it's not just haphazardly trying out these technology enablers like RPA and AI. It is a clear vision and strategy of where we're trying to go and slowly hitting some of that ROI and seeing value. Are you seeing more of a save money, make money, kind of a mix? What are you seeing there? I would say probably a mix. Save money for the right reasons and spend money to get the ROI that we're planning for in that roadmap.  To begin with, and they're trying to embrace or understand a concept that they don't have any experience with. And now you think of all these other capabilities you have down the road or all these other opportunities, whether it's artificial intelligence or whether it's RPA, whatever it is, it's got to be mind-blowing a little bit, doesn't it? And how do you, I guess, calm them down if they realize we are that far behind? You know, we're never going to get there. We're always going to be three, five, 10 years behind because we're that far behind right now. So how do you, I guess, allay their concerns and then get them up to speed in such a way that they feel like they can catch up? Yeah, I'd say one of the key things that we can provide is various maturity models. So we have kind of a, you know, keeping it simple of a two-by-two grid of where do you fall from digital enablement? A, do you even know what that means? Do you do it within divisions or certain lines of business? And then is that a part of the strategy for your customer acquisition, customer retention, employee retention, et cetera? And start with kind of a fit there and then we basically have offerings that then go from, okay, if you're starting out, then the approach can be, let's go through what cloud is. Like I said, there are absolutely still, you know, discussions that we have now on, hey, what is the difference in cloud and on-prem? Is it the same software version? Is it a different software? What are the security features in the data center? You know, some of those questions are still out there, as you said, and we've got to look at the maturity model to get them there. So what are the, let's go through the simple, I like simple, the two-dimensional. What are the buckets? So it's like, hey, we're not even thinking about it. That's kind of lower left. Upper left would be line of business focus, sort of narrow. Lower right would be it's strategic, but we're not acting on it yet. In a division or a single line of business, or it's a, I may have a cross-functional solution with a great digital roadmap, but it's in one plant. Cause then you get into, okay, well that's probably because you either had a champion locally or you had some triggers such as some customer issues or production issues or something that forced the issue, so to speak there. And then the top right is, yeah, it's part of the strategy. It's built in to where the budget gets allocated as well and it's a, you know, part of all the conversations they're having with business and IT. Are you guys seeing particular, thinking about sticking on digital for a minute, you see a particular industry uptake. I mean, obviously, you know, retail has been disrupted, publishing, you know, the music industry has been disrupted, but there's certain industries that really haven't been dramatically disrupted yet, financial services, healthcare, defense really to date, these high-risk businesses. What are you guys seeing and kind of where's the greatest familiarity or affinity to digital? Where we're starting and where we've been focused with Infor in the marketplace is consumer products and distribution as well as manufacturing. That's really been a focus area for us and we didn't get into this, but John's team has capability in Infor and it's skilled in Infor and there are some focus areas for us with the customers in those industry segments. Do you think that automation, AI, improvements in the supply chain, you know, robotics, even software robots, will reverse the trend toward offshore manufacturing? Tariffs, I guess, maybe help too. But I mean, are you seeing any evidence of that? Automation sort of making the pendulum swing back or are the cost advantages so attractive and is the supply chain so entrenched? I'll let John elaborate, but I would say that there is still a fit for purpose for offshoring certain things and for automating certain things and that's why I think it's important to build a plan and a strategy for which things will be solved for in which ways. Yeah, and the one thing I want to add is as you see some plants go from, it took 200, 300 people to operate a facility to I can do it with 10, that changes the economics of, you know, now the labor costs and labor arbitrage isn't as much a function, but yes, what about the rent facilities and transportation? So does, we are seeing the economic calculation change a bit from the point of, you know, just go offshore for labor, well, if labor is not as big a point, we are seeing a shift there. Right, so the labor component's shrinking and then you can automate that. Is there a quality aspect or is that kind of a myth? We think that that's a myth. Yeah, right. Quality can improve a little bit. Exactly.  You're saying coming back, on-shoring. Or you're saying offshore. Automating, automating whether it's on or off. Oh, regardless of the location. Right. Automation's going to drive quality up, lower rework, right? Okay. Robots do it a little bit better than us, especially if it's repetitive. They don't get tired. How about some of your favorite kind of joint examples with Infor, any kind of customer wins you can talk about? We're actually working together in a lot of spaces, but one of the biggest ones that we are actually talking about a case study here on the floor at Inforum is at Coke Industries, one of its company's Flint Hills resources. We're actually in the middle of an EAM implementation with Flint Hills. And working together collaboratively with Infor at the client. And is that the, or bigger picture, you said 20 year relationship formalized much more recently than that. Ultimately, what does that deliver for the client, you think, at the end of the day? What's the power of that partnership? So I think that there's several things. One is that with the experience and history of a Cap Gemini with 50 years of consulting experience and strategy work, we now specifically bring Infor and Infor's technology into the conversations that it would have been, it was not as structured before two years ago. So now we specifically have, where does Infor fit in the roadmap? From a software agnostic industry perspective. And then from just a plain and simple support in keeping your customers Infor environment running, that's additional strength that we have that we didn't have before. So you guys are known for being technology agnostic, even though you've got an affinity for going to market with a company, in this case, Infor. How are they doing? What's on the to-do list? If you're talking to customers saying, hey, this is the sweet spot, here's where some of the items that we want them to improve on, what would you say? I'd say for, I can at least say tactically with my team, what we are looking to enhance our solution is around burst and analytics. So that's definitely a best-of-breed tool in the marketplace. And so where we can integrate that into more products, because it's Infor acquired a year and a half ago or so. So trying to fold it in with each product and keeping that trajectory, where again, a customer only has one platform to support for. So that's kind of infusing that modern BI into the platforms. Functionally, you're kind of happy with it. Oh, absolutely. And it's just a matter of getting the function in to the sweet. Right, having the de facto. Right. That's where we want to get. Right, right. But I mean, also if you just look at the floor out there, from our perspective, the great showing and the excitement and just the conversations that we have around Infor. There's been some confusion, I would say, from without naming names, other competitors of Infor's on what is their cloud and digital roadmap. And then when we look at Infor with cloud native from the ground up, it makes that back to one of the questions you had on depending on where customers are starting. If you can go from the beginning, like Infor has done with some of their products, natively built, cloud up, then those are great conversations and we're seeing more of that in the market right now. When we talk to customers, well, let's see, when you talk to the sort of traditional vendors, they'll say, it's a hybrid world, which seems to be true. When you talk to other cloud guys, it's like cloud, cloud, cloud. Now, even AWS is somewhat capitulated. They've made some announcements to do stuff on-prem. But logically, it makes sense that if the data is in some data center location, it's probably going to stay there for a while. If it's working and there's a lot of it, they don't necessarily want to move it to the cloud. So do you buy that? Is it a hybrid world? Will it stay a hybrid world? Or do you feel like the pendulum really is swinging to the cloud or not? Because of IoT, it's more sort of a decentralized world. What are you guys seeing? I think it's a customer choice. Sometimes we have some federally regulated customers that are concerned about data and security and not necessarily there yet in terms of the cloud. And we have some customers that are wanting to go 100% cloud. So I think it is definitely customer choice. And we are there to advise them whether cloud is the right answer and even to help them implement and support them on their journey. So I think we've seen all every, you know, every which flavor of cloud hybrid. If from your standpoint, whatever you want, you're going to have the customer. I'd say in the past two or three years definitely more clients, I would say most now, will look at some, when they're doing their TCO and software selection, they absolutely will lead with, hey, at least the core part, the ERP part. For example, what can I do for cloud with that? Because there's just so much cost savings. Yeah, the consideration versus three, five years ago, no, you wouldn't look at that. But I do think there absolutely will be a hybrid footprint going forward. Well, and if there's an affinity to cloud, presumably N4 has an advantage there because they're born in the cloud, at least for that part of the business. And other entrenched ERP is not going to be so easy to move to the cloud. In fact, that's what you want to do. And I think we share the vision with N4 and talking to customers with the cloud-first approach. It makes sense to move to the cloud. There is value in the cloud and we can help build that story for them. Charles Phillips, pretty smooth spokesperson. He's a clear thinker. He laid out the strategy. The strategy is my fourth in forum.  And he presents it in a manner that I think is pretty compelling. So that's got to make you feel good, right? You got a leader that's committed, been here for a while. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And one other thing that I really do like about coming to N4 to see Charles is he actually gets it. You know, if you think of it from CEO of a large software company with hundreds of products, he knows where they actually fit and can go through kind of the roadmap in the story. So very, very credible. The partnerships of win-win, for sure. It certainly sounds like you've painted a very good picture. We appreciate the time. Thanks for being with us and good luck the next couple of days here at the show. Have fun. Thank you. Appreciate the time. Should be, right? All right. Back with more live in Washington, D.C. You're watching theCUBE.


Thank god it's almost over. Anyone feeling like that? No. No. She's tired. She cannot go. She'll need to be here. Sorry. You'll have to get it yourself. How have the two days been? Interesting. Sorry. Informative. You can take back good ideas. Things that will work for you. Will not work for you. That is also equally important. We still have a few minutes before we start officially. I thought till that time we'll see if no one is having coffee at least we'll have some conversations to wake up. Maybe. Which has been the most interesting session so far. You said it was informative. Which was the most informative session for you? Very different session. No pun intended. Good. Good. Anyone else found any really interesting sessions? No. Hopefully this will be your most interesting session. Almost end with a bang, right? Do you want to start? Wait for one more minute. Officially wait for the clock to take 4.15. Mic is. Yeah. So guess we'll get started. It's time. Yeah.


Ah, ah, it's even worse, it tastes like soap. Why do I keep eating it? What is wrong with this stuff? Why do people like it? The question is, why don't you? Let's answer that, shall we? Who hates cilantro? Studies have shown that cilantro is disliked for its smell and taste by a small percentage of the population. And it's really a matter of where you're from. Around 14% of Africans say cilantro is a no-go. Caucasians, 17%. But leading them all are the East Asians at 21%. Interestingly, in places where cilantro is very popular in the cuisine, the percentage of people who dislike it is much lower. Only 7% of South Asians dislike cilantro, 4% of Hispanics, and a mere 3% of Middle Eastern people find it repulsive. Perhaps some people hiding their true feelings to avoid the mobs from attacking them for their animosity against cilantro. Another interesting fact shows that 20% of identical twins disagreed about how awesome cilantro is, whereas fraternal twins disagreed about 50% of the time. Why do you hate cilantro? Okay, so what's actually causing the great cilantro divide? This is gonna get seriously scientific, so let's make it as enjoyable as possible. Amongst the happy essential oils contained within cilantro is D. linalool. Sounds like it should be a bird call or something. Linalool! Some people think that part of the reason cilantro's smell is perceived incorrectly is due to D. linalool, as linalool is a major part of what creates the aroma and flavor of cilantro leaves. Cilantro is also home to a variety of crazy aldehydes. Aldehydes coming at you. Ah! Aldehydes are organic compounds containing a terminal carbonyl group. It's like he's trying to speak to me, I know it! Well, let's put it this way. Aldehydes are the unsung inventors or the blue collar workers, or the awesome backstage people and staff that help put on a great show. Essentially they're the elements that help products come together and work well. Aldehydes actually help compose a variety of products, including perfumes, resins, dye, various flavorings, even preservatives and disinfectants.  Well, because hiding up your nostrils are your olfactory receptor genes, which of course help you smell. And lurking within some people's schnazzes is our little gene buddy called OR6A2, who I'm just gonna call aura. Now aura is highly sensitive to these aldehyde chemicals and it's believed that aura can sense several aldehydes that most people can't pick up on. And as the chemical makeup of these aldehydes is very similar to that of soap, well it's no wonder that aura confuses them. It makes you think you're getting a big mouthful of sudsy blondes. And it's these same soapy aldehydes that you'll find in the defense mechanism of various bugs, hence the reason it's linked to smelling like stink bugs. Genetic differences. Now oddly, while some people have a problem with the whole coriander experience, others only have a problem with cilantro leaves, but not a problem with coriander spice. This is also believed to be due to its chemical composition, just like some people find a problem with things like broccoli, me, and others don't. Some people just hate cilantro, but are perfectly fine with the coriander spice. Genetics, crazy, right? This also holds true if you're trying something for the first time. If you haven't been exposed to a certain taste before, it can be a bit jarring. Eastern cultures may love kimchi, but it scares me worse than the clown from it. Now you can't necessarily change the genetic profile of your taste buds. So if something is really averse to your particular taste, you probably shouldn't waste your time trying to acquire a taste for it. But then again, this isn't the case for all flavors. That said, it is possible to find certain recipes that make cilantro palatable even for the most avid cilantro haters. Certain flavor combinations or cooking methods could alter or mask the flavor cilantro invokes entirely. Not that I'm trying to force you to like cilantro if you don't.   That doesn't sound all that positive.  And do you dislike the cilantro herb and the coriander spice? Or just one? Or both? Let me know in the comments down below. If this video's got you interested in the differences between coriander and cilantro, then watch this video right up here. Or if you're looking for some wacky herbie history, then watch this video next. Please be kind, take care of each other, and feel free to go out there and hate whatever foods you wanna hate.