Hello and welcome. My name is Chantal Bilodeau. I am the co-curator for the Green Rooms and I'm very happy to have you attend this event both on the live stream and people who are in the rooms with us, in the room with us. Today is the second day of the Green Rooms and we are now on our third session today. And I really need to mention that the Green Rooms is produced by English Theatre at the Nationals Arts Centre and presented by Foda in collaboration with the Canada Council for the Arts, the City of Kingston, the National Theatre School and HowlRound Theatre Commons. And I am very happy to... Oh, actually, before we start I would like to acknowledge that Mission Control for this event is located in Kingston, Ontario, which is the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe and the Haudenosaunee and the Huron Wendat. Kingston is covered by Treaty 57 and the territory was acquired in 1783 in Crawford's Purchase. And now I would like to introduce you to Sarah Garten Stanley, who is actually my co-curator for this event and she's a director. And she's going to be in conversation with Ravi Jain, who is a stage director known for making politically bold and accessible theatrical experiences in both small indie productions and large stages. Sarah and Ravi are going to talk about leadership and structures for change and please feel free to use the chat to comment along the way. Now to you. Thanks, Chantel. Ravi, I can't quite hear you. I'm on mute again. I did the Zoom classic. Classic Zoom entrance. Hi, Sarah. How are you? I'm okay. I'm okay. It's nice to see you. Nice to see you. I didn't get to actually say hi behind the television studio of this moment. Very nice to see you. Thank you, Chantel. So I just would love to start by saying, you know, this whole conversation has been reframed thanks to Sarah and the team. You know, I'm also going to say I'm really nervous right now. It's been hard to have these conversations and to be in this virtual space and not have eye contact with folks is very strange in this moment. But I will say, so the original topic had three panel four panelists, two colleagues from Canada and one from the U.K., and we were talking about structural change in regards to the climate. And given all that's happening in particular right now with the Black Lives Matter movement and all the conversations around white supremacy in the arts, I was really struggling with how to have this conversation in an authentic way. And how do we do this right now? How do we talk and how do we listen? And at a certain point, my colleague Waynee was unable to attend. And then all of a sudden here I was on a panel with a bunch of white folks and not feeling very comfortable about that. And graciously Sarah engaged with the problem. And we had a number of hopeless back and forth emails. And then it turned into us saying, let's just have a conversation. Sarah and I are good friends. We've talked a lot about these conversations around white supremacy and making change from the inside and from the outside of institutions and the challenges of that. And so I'm just really grateful for the team to have pivoted like that. And Sarah for you to engage in this conversation. I'm really grateful for it. And to the audience of unknown folks out there, you know, I feel like I proposed the loose structure to Sarah that we'll just have a conversation and we'll cover racism, we'll cover climate and we'll cover leadership, which essentially was the proposal in the first place. And Sarah, I just love for us to talk like I haven't seen you and spoken to you and are so many, as we said, so many of our conversations have been about exactly this and the pain of it and the difficulties of how to move things forward. Honestly, in this moment, that is filled right now with so much pain and so much truth. And I'll lead by saying my my biggest fear right now is nothing's going to happen. And I've been so hopeless in the last couple of days. And it's been really it's challenging to face. So I feel like I'm excited for this conversation because it will just allow a moment of listening and real listening, not this bullshit listening that I feel is happening, which we'll talk about. So thank you again, I guess, I don't know, kick off.  But I guess we can move on from that. I mean, we met how we met. I was going to mention Banff. I don't know. This conversation happened also because you and I met at Banff. You brought me to Banff. You invited me to Banff with your third cycle, the NAC cycles that you ferociously spearheaded. For those who don't know, the first was indigeneity, which out of that conversation came the NAC's indigenous, what do you call it, wing theater, theater department, department, then accessibility, and then climate. And in the climate conversation, too, we have conversations about race. And and the difficulty of that. So I don't know. Do you want to say anything? Sure. I mean, you know, I've thought a lot about, first of all, Rabbi and I have known each other for much longer than than that than last year in April when we gathered with a number of scientists and artists, thinkers, fantastic leaders, just to talk about to learn about some of the real specifics around this question. And it was an enlivening and terrifying and very rich and rewarding, I think, intersection for a lot of people. But I've thought a lot about my opening remarks and how I spoke about how this final cycle was something that pretends to everybody. The lived experience of climate is something that no one is free from. And I really feel that that, in one way, actually is true. But in another way, it's a position that I that I understand continues to speak to a kind of an inherent problem, which is to say, like, when COVID started, it was like the great equalizer. And it's like very soon after it's like, no, it's not actually equal. It's very, very different. And the same is is absolutely true when it comes to climate, which Jennifer pointed out previously, which the speakers who just came before us have spoken about, which many of the speakers last night have been highlighting is that it's not it's not an equal problem. It's a it is an issue for everybody. And yet there are certain people who benefit, as Noam Chomsky would say, there's certain people benefiting from the problems of some of these situations, as opposed to being interested in the solutions. So you know, to have this conversation with you, Ravi is, is, yeah, I'm nervous too. And I think why is it that we are so uncertain around one another? What are the conditions? And I and I think it would be great for maybe both of us to speak to those. Yeah, I mean, I feel like right now, for me, it's that trust is is is broken. And it speaks to the comment you made around people profiting and benefiting from this moment of crisis. And, you know, I've been thinking a lot about the white arts, let's focus in on the arts, like the white colleagues response to this moment is is quite challenging to trust. And the thing I've been saying to folks, I was speaking to a black female playwright who said she illuminated it illuminated it so clearly for me, she said, you know, the thing about what happened to George Floyd was not yet the murder obviously is atrocious. But what's crazy about it is that for almost nine minutes, he had his knee, the officer had his knee on on George Floyd's neck, and all around him were people of color saying take your knee off his neck.  And he didn't have to listen. He had his hands in his pocket. He had a stance in his body. And he had supremacy in his eye.  They know that that's an atrocity that should be vilified. It's it's horrible. It's against the law. But what they don't see is that officer's arrogance. It's what's in his eye. That's what supremacy is the feeling that you don't have to listen. And with all that's coming out right now in the arts, all of this info in the dressing room, all these things about structural racism in our community, it's not new. It's just that people didn't listen. White people didn't have to listen. And they have that arrogance. They have their hands in their pockets. And so the challenge I'm having is if we're truly in solidarity, and you want to stand next to me or a black person or an indigenous person, then you have to see yourself as the enemy. And that's the piece that that is missing in the conversation to see yourself in the police officer and not the protester. And that for me, then we can start getting into truths, then we can start getting into, well, then now who leads this conversation and who who's prepared for this conversation? Because I would say black people, indigenous people, racialized people have had to face this their whole lives. My parents dealt with that arrogance in this country. I grew up every day with it. And then, you know, from a structural point, if we're looking at leadership, that plays out in so many ways. If you look at that Stratford in the dressing room, you'll see how it plays out in the acting community. But from a structural place, you know, it's the same as governments. We have funders that's government policies that are created to keep black people, indigenous people and people of color small. You can't grow an institution. Why do we have so few leaders of color and institutions of color? Because there's been no money. There's been no infrastructure support. So that's a kind of way that we purposefully keep the community small and we keep leadership out. And it all comes from this not listening, this continual pattern of not listening. And right now, everyone's saying they're listening. And I don't trust it. And I don't trust how you're listening or what you're listening to. And I'm concerned that the listening is opportunistic and a kind of rebrand that allows you to stay comfortable and reaffirm the power and privilege that you have. So I'm not a good person to disagree with you. Because I think it's in our nature as humans to want to survive and thrive and some of us to grow. And I think that survival ends up doing some not necessarily positive things when it comes to real conversation. In other words, you and I spoke the other night about like, well, what happens if all of the white leaders were to suddenly stop running theater companies, for example? Or we could go into other, those stay in the theater, were they to stop doing that? Where, how come there is not like a long line of people ready to step in? What is in the system that is making it still necessary or so we think? This is part of it like or so we think for that not to be possible. Like what are the structural issues that are keeping listening within a tight framework that may actually be making change not truthful? Like when you say you don't trust it, like when it's actually maybe not making it truthful, it's more finding new language with which to speak about it. And I think I'm just struck because Ken in the previous panel talked about how you know, we think we have to do it within the structures, but we don't necessarily have to do it within the structures. And that becomes a really big question because I think fear tells us we have to do it within the structures. Fear tells us that we have to find ways to do it the way we've been doing it, but to do it with different people. So we're doing it with different people, then why are we doing it? We're not doing it the way we were doing it. So things have to change. My wish is and this is where it's is it an abandonment of my own privilege. And so my wish is that there was there wasn't I could hear like let's do this. Let's work in this way. And I feel like Anthony just said and I'm sorry for taking from other people, but Anthony just said flux like we're in this like do we like how do we how do we shift it so that we're actually moving forward or is right now just about saying no, we're not moving forward. We're just in it and we're in despair and we're feeling messed up. And so let's be in that. Well, so I think my response to that it just tied into what you were saying about if all the white leaders were to step down who would who would be the play people take their place. I think there's a twofold challenging answer in that that I've really pushed myself forward in which is one, yes, the communities have not have the support and opportunities to really build a deep bench on one level. But on the other level, we're assuming that there are people who aren't ready. And there are people who've been doing this work the specific work and I mean, I know, I know, I know you're not necessarily flying up.  And, you know, what would a world look like if they were more opportunity was given in in the in those scenarios. And, and I would say in terms of leadership right now, something I heard on theater communications group from the States, it was a young black male artistic director was saying, you know, what this moment is showing us is how unqualified leadership is for this moment. And how actually, for years, we've been told we're not qualified for these jobs, even though we definitely are. But for this moment, we are like the majority of white artistic leadership is unqualified, they don't have the language, they don't have the experience and worse, as we're seeing come out from all of the in the dressing rooms, they caused harm. They continually cause harm because they don't understand the dynamics of race or care or racism and supremacy. And so one way I think in terms of how to answer the question, how can we be different? Well, can we deep? Can we not center this around a white experience? Can we not foresee a future that still has white people at the center of the fixing? Because, because the other thing is for me, white artists are the worst. White artists don't have never affected any kind of change. So I was talking to a white artistic director the other day.  Like, don't you think that change has happened? And I said, what do you mean? He was like, well, like I see a lot more people of color and stuff on stage like hasn't changed happened. And I said, no, actually, no, hold on a second, let's get the story straight. First of all, you can change the people, but you don't change the systems. So how does how does an artistic director get support and artistic director of color get the support they need to change the system, the system of white supremacy within an organization? But let's set that aside. 2016, Canada Council changed everything for why not in particular, we actually were able to become a company, a significant institution, because we, they prioritized innovation, inclusion and international and nonvenues, and money came into communities to address historical inequities. And people were mad. White people, a lot of institutions were mad about that. I had to speak at a committee parliament for heritage to justify why that was important because a lot of institutions were upset. So yeah, a change was made, but there were still people who didn't want that. There were still white artists who were in the way of that. And then my kind of Trump point is if you would look specifically at Toronto, we have a three female artistic leaders of color. Nina Leakino became the artistic director of factory, and she only got the job because Ken Gas got fired, not because people wanted that change. And when she took the job, people hated her for it. They didn't want her to have it. People critics, everyone still attacked her. Nobody wanted her to have that change, but she did it anyways. And she got that job.  And even still, people did not want that to happen. People were against that happening. The list goes on and on. I think that what we see again in this moment is black people right now are marching in the streets, putting their lives on the line for a huge change. And I don't think I see enough white allies really getting behind this change. In fact, I see contraction. I see fear. I see people avoiding this conversation right now because they want to be seen as the good ones. And that to me is really scary. It's really scary because it only centralizes themselves in this conversation again, and it allows them to be the power to fix it. When they've never fixed it, I don't have a moment in history where that's happened. So a couple of things. I can totally feel myself wanting to be one of the good ones, always. Like, oh, I want to be one of the good ones. But I do feel like the enemy. I do actually. And it's because I come from privilege. And it's because I'm aware of my privilege. And I'm, you know, I feel privileged. And so to feel that means I have to personally, I feel that I have to work to acknowledge that and to do what I can to do good. Or I like to say to try to do more good than harm. But I have to acknowledge that in the landscape and particularly in this moment, I see my friends of color when they come on to a call or whatever, the count, right? And it's like, how many?  And I don't know what the answer is when suddenly, is there a moment where suddenly that's not the case? I don't know. But I know that right now it is the case. I know that it is about like, where is my representation? Why is it happening in this way? What does change look like? Like, I'm so, I'm so aware of that. I also think that I'm a, I'm fierce and I'm a wimp. I prefer not to be the head of a company, you know? Because I can, I feel like I can do things that I wouldn't be able to do. I feel like I can have freer conversations. And that's wimpy. That's maybe not stepping up. I don't know, you know? But I don't know. I mean, I think, you know, you're again, like the cycles I think are really fascinating example of what someone can do on the inside. You know, when I went on the inside of the institution, it wasn't as good. So I feel like how great that you're able to do that. And in that act, not not everyone can get inside and be as effective as you've been. It makes me think about Clayton Thomas Mueller, who we met in Banff. So he was an, he's an activist with an organization called 360 degrees, right? 350.org. 350.org. An amazing human. And the my, my, the real impression he left on me was that if we want to talk about climate, it's an indigenous issue. It is an indigenous center issue. And that you can't move forward in anything really, if you don't have us at the center. And that was really striking to me when I think about things like extinction rebellion, when I think about movements for climate justice that are missing that voice that and on one hand, it's good, like they're, they're, they're mobilizing a cause and they're activating a cause. And it's an important one that affects all of us. But as you said at the beginning, it affects everyone differently. And how do we, how do we look to the leadership that is already there, that is in the community, that is has a different relationship to these systems and situations. And I, for me, I think that's at least some start in addressing the system of supremacy now and acknowledging that also I, but what is like, what is the start? What is the action in there when you I, I think working to decentralize, I mean, taking out the white power to start. So acknowledging a different perspective in leadership. So actually providing the resource and privileges that come with a like a major institution, like so, for example, give a native earth Canadian stages budget. What would, how would that change everything that would take the power away from an institution and give it to another that has a direct, a direct and different experience to challenge that when you say give that those funds, who's giving those funds. So in an ideal world, it would be the white institution that would look deeply and listen deeply about their power and privilege historically. Maybe I look, I don't know, I mean, I'm interested in thinking about it in that way, as opposed to it being like a Canada Council decision or a heritage decision that that, you know, because then it's still held in the same few people who are doing like what, doing good, like doing like I, it's, it's, it's more interesting to me to think about a conversation amongst theater companies where there's a real soul filled exchange, conversation of exchange about that.  I think that that would be, I think, I think we're far away from that step because I still think we're not on the same page in our assessment and understanding of what white supremacy is and how that plays out in daily lives. But if we got there, you know, sign me up, I think that would be really interesting because then it would actually be acknowledging all the harm that caused and the, the, the lack of water given to communities to actually grow. Lack of support. You know, another thing I'll tell you this, I've been thinking about. So we can right now, there's a call to defund the police and, and provide police or provide that funds directly to the community. So one could say, let's defund the institution. Let's get the opera and the ballet to give their funds to native birth and obsidian and, you know, actually put it into the communities where, where, you know, where so many, so much work is done also. Like we have to look at these culturally focused companies because they're working because the institution excluded them and they don't have the resources. What often happens is they'll develop artists, but those artists will go to Stratford. They'll go to Shaw because that's where the money is. That's where they can get jobs. That's where projects can happen because the community can't keep them. And then we see the cycle where they get harmed and there's constant harm and, and the cycle kind of continues. I lost my train of thought there. Sorry, with defund the institution or secondly, let's look at something like this. What would happen if we look at the movements that are happening right now about eliminating racist statues? So they're tearing down statues of slave owners and throwing them in the river. What if we dissolve organizations? What if we address the historical legacy of some organizations and the future legacy of those organizations and we rebuild? What would that look like? What would that world be? I haven't thought that through yet, but like I look to what's happening outside and I say, well, those are things we haven't tried because we've been here before and we've tried things before. Please, please, please. Well, I mean, it's tied, I think, in a lot of ways to money and, you know, supremacy of money that sort of keeps this structure intact and resources and the extraction of resources, be they from the earth, be they women's bodies, be they any number of different elements that exist on this planet. But I think last year, when we met in BAMP, every person to a speaker who knows what is going on with regards to different elements around climate change spoke to the system of capitalism and neoliberalism and how it is absolutely tied to this ongoing kind of demise of the planet, of sustainability, of the air that we breathe, the water that's accessible, all of it's tied to the monetary system that we are all in some ways implicated in, whether or not we choose to be or not, right now we're caught in the clutches of that.  But there was this, you know, this brief window where these massive, massive governmental shifts that everyone said could never happen and made me personally think, well, then how are we going to do anything showed me that in fact they can. Those massive things can happen. And I guess part of my curiosity ongoing is how do we make the massive things happen? I know the small things have to, I know it's like defunding, you know, this idea to defund certain cultural institutions. Great. In the cosmology of all the institutions, does then theater, do then arts, you know, do they get relegated to a lack of imports? Does the ground, does the water, do the rivers, do they get lowered in impact or import because the very wealthy can live above, you know, those pure resources? I have some real questions about the interrelationship between really all things in this question between equitable treatment of all human beings. And maybe that means what is perceived to be less equal treatment of certain people who've had a lot more good stuff for many, you know, hundreds of years, but still something of a power shift that is not just relegated to the theater, but has to do with the way in which we live on this planet and the way in which we center ourselves as humans within the story of the planet, which is not the story of this planet, you know, there's, so I don't want to spin off because I know that a really important part for you is that we stick within this question of how to have a conversation about the climate at this point in time in North America when people are dying and black bodies in particular and indigenous bodies in particular are being completely devalued and so on. And then to tie to the arts that we're talking about the devaluing and the dehumanizing of black indigenous and racialized people in our community and with our friends. Like that's the the hiccup of all this is these are my friends and when we talk about big sweeping change I agree with you like we can imagine wow how surprising and how quickly the government responded to COVID and it's possible big things are possible the challenge I have in this moment is we don't agree on the small things we don't agree on how upsetting it is to be told you must wear this wig color because your skin looks a certain way we don't think that's a real thing we don't we don't agree that that we don't all agree that that's a real psychological impact that has ramifications we don't we don't agree on when you tell me oh that's a bad idea like you're constantly rejecting my idea but liking your white friend's idea like we don't agree on those systems of dehumanization we don't agree on the things that I see every day and that my colleagues and I cry about behind closed doors we don't agree about that power structure you know so it's hard to talk and sweeping change when we can't race is the one that's the fucking shitty one because because me too we all agree I mean there are those who don't but we we can all get behind that because we there are things about that that are undeniable there's still things about race where we still need to force ourselves to say I believe you we don't but we dismiss and don't believe the realities of the impact of of how people are treated and and our friends you know I I didn't tell you the story on a fucking zoom call my friend my white male artistic director friends we're getting together on a zoom call and we're trying to do good and they treat me a certain way and I tell them that they're racist and I don't want to be part of these systems and then I have to take care of them for three hours to help them understand why they I'm calling them racist we don't agree they refuse to see this moment so it's hard I mean the climate we all agree with but we but we we're not experiencing it the same way maybe we don't all agree I don't know what the fuck all I can say is I don't know if we have a shared analysis of the situation and I I see a lot of refusal to accept complicit and that speaks to myself too I have I've admitted complicity to white supremacist values that I've done because I can do that in that I'm a brown person I can still be part of a system because that's what I was taught yeah that system is that system is pervasive and I hear you because you know it's easy for me to go to the system because it's also how my my brain works and I think about structures and how they impact so many things and policy and how it implicates you know so many decisions without people and even knowing that they were actually taking you know they thought they were taking their own decisions like no actually there's certain ways that were made to think but I also feel and I and I hear you when you say we don't agree and so I know that I want to I know that I personally I know that I'm a person who wants to that I'm a person that is interested in that and that is also a privilege because I can be I can say oh well I want to it's like yeah but what if you don't have any choice Sarah which you know so many of my friends don't feel that they have the choice so I also understand that and I think it comes back to this positioning of the enemy and the enemy and the friend and and why ally is such a hard word right now because it's it's I think we all want to be the good ones but what does it mean to admit that we're not what does it mean to admit that whether we grew up in a system where we couldn't recognize that we're not where you know I mean for me the profound changes that I feel that I've I've had the again the the privilege of coming to in my later years because of the people who have allowed me to meet them do I fear that had I not met them that I may not have changed and therefore not even have ever noticed that there was something that I needed to change that's a really tricky one I don't know I feel I feel fortunate in that regard but are there still so many places where I think I could show up to something and feel like I'm showing up in the right way yeah well how do we do it how do we how do we how do we is this conversation is this conversation meaningful is it performative is it meaningful is it rigorous do conversations have to be rigorous I think they have to be rigorous yeah and I think they have to be of a certain level I mean I think I feel I feel we've managed to take the performance out of this by not making it a panel but who knows we know we're being watched yeah I don't know I know that you were you know one of my we're good friends and we've had a lot of really fun times and we've talked about work and you know over that but I know the sound of your voice the stricture the the hurt and the rage was so total when we first started talking around this issue because as you said like you know at that point you said they're all my friends like they're all my friends meaning my friends not your friends my friends and that your fear or your feeling and maybe both was that we couldn't be we couldn't feel what you were feeling and I think in a lot of ways that's why this conversation came about because you said you couldn't trust and yeah and that yeah and I'm appreciative for that and and I would say the process of this actually has made me feel a bit a bit more trusting um of certain individuals but I I think in terms of demanding rigor of the conversation this is why you're unique and I said this to you on the phone like in 2016 where you had this gathering of artistic directors of color from around the world that Sarah was part of and um at the time you were talking about the difficulty you were having with language and how language was changing on you and you were failing at every step because language was changing and I didn't actually understand what you meant until like this moment when I realized oh all this language that I'd learned over the years about microaggressions systemic racism all the stuff that most of our colleagues are under qualified for at this moment um you know engaging in the level of that and doing the reading and the and the thinking is is so important for trust in this conversation so that we can be on a level and have some understanding of of how how messy this all is like it's it's so messy I said to someone the other day I wish we could go back to lying because I was so good at it I was so good at it I didn't I didn't need any of you all to know how much I was affected by this I had tons of friends who've come to me and said you know are you okay are you okay I didn't know you were so sad before it's like we all are I mean I mean and I have a different experience than black people do than indigenous people do I have I have privilege of so many degrees because people listen to me because I'm not threatening and you know my regret my regret when I think deeply about supremacy my regret is that I've upheld white supremacy by valuing the comfort of white people over black and indigenous and racialized folks it's so many times I've spoken truth to power don't get me wrong my whole time with albert was truth to power and getting silence but for the most part that I've upheld that comfort and that's the thing I'm asking folks to challenge myself to challenge is that comfort that that ease with this conversation the ease of saying I'm listening is so false you gotta listen it's gotta hurt if it doesn't hurt then you're not listening and you're not looking at the right thing and I think it's the same that's true I think with climate like we have to face ourselves that was the other thing about bam we're working with David Suzuki you know that's this is a moral issue we have to all do face ourselves and our choices and live with that and and the challenge with this moment is the lies are being exposed we can't lie in the same way I don't have the heart for it and now it's all out you know I don't know what to do yeah some years ago I was at a talking stick in Vancouver and an artistic associate associate artistic director like me from he was from the Guthrie and he was the as he sort of identified himself the associate artistic director of color at the Guthrie and he was really critical of the of the structure and how things work there and he was really really clear and somebody asked him about that and he said oh listen I like everybody there it's not personal it feels personal but my job is to be critical like that's the that's my job and I I took a lot from that because he he wasn't saying I don't want this position I like he said I like that position I really do I'm really happy to have this position but I think the way in which I got it the way in which I'm expected to behave as a result of having it you know all those things I'm going to be in conversation with now that I'm there doing it and I was really struck I was struck by that but of course you know lately I think these in certainly this last like couple of months what's been really clear is that's an additional job that he's doing that's not actually the job that you know that he would be doing it that time at that theater if you were just just hired to be like a director right he's there to have to do the fight to do the struggle to do the whatever and I what I hear is people saying what I hear is people saying we've been struggling it's your turn to struggle like that's what I hear and I think that's true but I feel that to be true I feel that I'm able to because of how it's brought up because of where I grew up that I'm able that I can walk away or I could walk away and I can't walk away from my moral connection to this question about the climate I can't walk away from my friends many of whom are not like me I can't walk away because I'm a woman and because I'm queer I can't walk away because I don't want to walk away but the reason not to trust I think is that those are words unless I keep doing unless I keep doing what I'm saying that was something uh so David Suzuki has a very good friend named Miles Richardson he's an indigenous activist water protector land protector and uh I met him when we did our workshop in Vancouver and he said to me was you know when I met David first I thought he was an asshole he just showed up at these protests saying that he was supporting indigenous people and uh fighting for the land and I thought he was an asshole then I saw him again then I saw him again and then he just kept coming I still think he's a bit of an asshole but he's a good guy it's true it's the commitment right it's the commitment and and because this is going to be I talk to the wonderful amazing Karen Robinson and I was like help me lady you gotta help me we've been here I'm I am so sad I know you know this time she was like this is a moment of moments in moments you know this revolutions are long and they're messy and it was helpful to hear because it was like um this is going to be a long haul and I just want to be sure we do it right and we do it together um so let's keep showing up you know like I mean that's all we can really do right now I don't know I I feel at a loss because I don't feel we have a structure for this conversation I feel as a community in Toronto as a country community in the arts I don't feel that we have a structure for this and that's why that's that's one of my concerns you know with with climate at least there's a there's an understanding of what the conversation is there's organization there's movements there's people who are organizing this one uh while while you know the in the green room is happening I feel like the I don't see the I see I see black people organizing I see indigenous people organizing I see racialized people organizing we're having conversations every fucking day every day I'm on a call with a group and we're not talking about programming we're not talking about the work we're going to do we're not talking about the shows what artists we can hire we're talking about caring for each other and what are we going to do and I don't see that I don't see that coordinated effort I because I've been to the meetings of white artistic directors I the only thing I could say when I left was to say I'm appalled at the level of discourse you're having this isn't good enough so Ravi yeah we're at a time appalled at the level of discourse we don't have structures for this conversation and we need structures for this conversation and we're in a period of huge change and um it's been good talking to you it's been great talking to you I really again I appreciate it um making the space and the time for this um if anybody didn't get anything out of it at least I did thank you thanks everyone for listening thank you thanks I think we're gonna leave this conversation and we're gonna be back in a little bit to talk about how to change the economy so maybe there'll be some insights do we just stay there I guess so until this is that part of the show when the credits roll yeah yeah well


Hi there, David here, David Morrissey. We're in the VL Commodore. I'm sharing the drive-in with Mr Mike Hendy, who's behind me now. Small issue this morning, we're going to sort out, which is we're welding up some seatbelt security so that we can make sure the floor's all good and all the mounts are nice and tight. So we take part in target, we took part in the South Island last year. We've got the mighty VL Commodore. It's running an RB-25 deck, and here's our monster car. So it's our fun, get to the end. And if we get to the end, we've won. So all fun, fun, fun, along the way in a beautiful, beautiful part of the world. Thank you very much.


And welcome to this updated video. We're gonna ask some hearted in questions about the Jurassic franchise Just you wait and the first one being what is I mean It's been a while since we've done this sorts of video You know like to the camera and so of asking about the franchise and that the question being you know What is the future of the franchise? We have seen now that the Dominion was supposed to be or he was said to be Said the Dominion was going to be the last movie in the franchise So is it gonna be the last movie in the franchise? I mean without even looking at any articles I think I can be the one to tell you it probably won't be why because it makes a fudge tone of money And that's pretty much all the franchise needs to do to survive. We got a excerpt here from an empire magazine Article so it's a speaking to empire in Malta for a major new interview mark in the end of his decade Working on Jurassic movies Travaro. I was to come to me Spoke about how the evolution of the series in Dominion was no Coincidence they were always planning to go for locusts. I promise that was not a last-minute thing I Specifically did something different than other movies or the films in order to change the DNA of the franchise He explains a move taken to provide fresh new opportunities down the line The previous five films are like that the previous five ones are plots about dinosaurs Technically they're not plots about dinosaurs or at least the second one kind of it They just have dinosaurs in them. This one is a story about characters in a world in which they coexist with dinosaurs Couldn't it couldn't be more wrong Like when on it when an earth do you ever see dinosaurs and humans coexisting in Dominion? Ever what the end credits when there's like horses and paris rolyphuses or Ankylosaurus and that one woman going hey look Dinosaurs you never see anything like that in fact in my review of Dominion I said I can't wait for them to get off the island because I forgot that they weren't on an island Because they pretty much have to like evacuate it or escape it just like you would an island So yeah, that's a big fat lie For the franchise to be able to move forward because it's inherently Unfranchisable. I think six movies is saying that it's not inherently Unfranchisable Trevor. Oh, it's Ravaro. What are you going to be called? They're probably should only have been one Jurassic Park. I mean he's got a point Yeah, it probably should have just stayed that way if it was just being Jurassic Park But if we're going to do it, how can I allow them to tell stories in a world in which dinosaurs? Exist as opposed to here's another reason why we're going to an island So bit of a hot take from Trevor over there. He's basically saying that He needed to change what Jurassic Park was in order for new ideas to happen And it's gonna get into this in the next bit because I Basically stuck himself into a hole. I understand where he's coming from but at the same time It's like what are you talking about? Like it's trying to say like Dominion has opened up new doors when really it's just like close loads of doors And now you've put it people in a corner in which they can't really Expand upon and here we go. We'll go into the second part of the article Trevor confirms that he had conversations with Universal about where the franchise could potentially go next So he had a plan that's interesting and Dominion's fresh crop of faces hold plenty of storytelling Opportunities this movie clearly takes a real interest in creating new characters that a new generation is going to latch on to Kyla Watts being the the pilot do wonder why and Mamudu Atheist character Ramsey Cole Ramsey I like how that was not in quotation interesting Who I think in the extended edition. I like how that who I think the extended edition that we didn't really air and The Sean Lachman's character Sayonah Santos who just gets arrested at the end the writer director points out There's more to come. I mean already you're saying that the extended edition Which is the addition that wasn't palatable to the audience. So therefore like Like it shouldn't be palatable to Whatever but then again, he's saying that we're gonna see more of these future characters, which is interesting I don't know if latching on to these new characters is what audiences have done Because I mean if anything you would latch on to Maisie because she's been in for two movies or even Owen Grady or Cladiering who have been in the three movies But while Trevor O sees paths ahead promotional materials for Dominion pitched the world trilogy capper with a greater sense of finality So basically just saying yeah the Dominion was pitched as the end to cap off Jurassic world the epic conclusion of the Jurassic era was a tagline featured prominently on posters I I never knew that this was the ending of the franchise until I saw the marketing It's really no that can't be true It's even since like the Fallen Kingdom the end of Fallen Kingdom is like oh this one's gonna be the final one Okay, those guys are brilliant at what they do. I Mean yeah, people are gonna want to see if it's the last one right I suppose that's how they always do It's the last book in the franchise two films. We're gonna split it to two parts just to milk it for everything It's worth but for me. I think it might have been clearer if they'd said the end of an era because regardless of the cynical approach Of course, they're gonna want to make more money Which is what Jurassic world was about a new dinosaur fan is born every day Kids deserve these movies and young filmmakers grow up on these stories Well, I mean technically they do and then they find the original stuff and then go wow. This is way better Much like Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz and worlds. We've returned to constantly Interesting this is is building up for this next point that's gonna happen right now Given the multi-billion dollar grosses of the Jurassic world trilogy alone It seems inevitable that the Jurassic saga will eventually return I mean, of course it makes money of course is going to return as Travaro sees it the pieces have been laid in place for another filmmaker to unearth them Alan grand style and he's ready to wait and see who presents a compelling plan for what happens next And then this is what Colin says what I get fired up about is if a table has been set here For another mind to do what I did with Steven Spielberg and sit down and say Listen, I've got an idea. I would love for that person to sit with me or Steven and just be like I've got it. You know what they say life finds a way now that uh Jurassic quote aside All I'm hearing is excuses like basically Steven with Jurassic Park. Colin says it was unfranchisable, right? Like there was or I think what he really a better turn of phrase was that you could do anything with it, right? Like you could take dinosaurs off the island you could make another park And Colin did that and now he's put dinosaurs in the wild tried to do a little locus plot I mean dominion was basically filler for the next movie and I don't know why he didn't decide to See dinosaurs in the wild. I mean there was just echoes of it with you know Old the mazy or like mazes previous self narrating over the top of it And now in this whole like I'm just waiting for somebody to approach me and go This is the idea. This is your next billion dollars or whatever I mean, I get what he's trying to say about like, oh, well, I was just waiting for the next person for you know To pass the torch on and like he did with Steven But at the same time for me anyway, just it sounds like Uh, he doesn't know where to go with it and he's just waiting for somebody else to Come to him and go. This is where it was really going, right Colin and he goes Uh-huh That aside what what I found interesting when this whole like uh empire magazine thing came out was this image Was put around everywhere and I think some people might have taken it at surface level and had thought Because there was some interesting photoshop behind one of the producers of the Jurassic franchise I can't remember Frank Marshall. That's it. I think um and it was behind him on a screen And there was a nice photoshop, but that's literally what it was. It was a photoshop Uh, so I just want to clear the air and say that these aren't real titles Like the it's it's an interesting thing to imagine Uh the potential Jurassic lord made this uh a Jurassic story blue and beta a netflix series And then something about kyla a lot of fun ideas have made their way here as you can see they've got Hammond Uh people have been wanting, you know a prequel to Jurassic and that feels like maybe that's the way it would go But I don't think that would be the next movie. Unfortunately, I think for general audiences a A movie that goes into the past And would dig around deep in the the law of the characters and how they got on Isn't completely palatable to a new audience or at least the way it should be done Isn't palatable to a new audience. I really feel like that's something that a netflix would pick up or You know an amazon prime would do really well Um, you know something that can be expanded upon in more than an hour and a half or let's say two hours and a half That's the way these movies go now And it would just get more attention. You know like a breaking bad sort of thing With the original characters and dinosaurs and stuff like that. Um, you got Jurassic deep Which you know focuses, I assume, you know the most so for instance That could be a whole movie the meg which made a bunch at the box office Mainly on where it was based. I think it's set and that was like in china. So they got the whole chinese box office there But basically the mega is just that you could do that with the mosasaur basically and then josegu josegu josegu Which I'm assuming he's saying is the next movies. We don't know what is going to happen We have no evidence a few I think rumors of trademarks or maybe some trademarks have been put in place But really to to the be all and end all is at the moment We don't know where the franchise is going to go unfortunately and but the thing is I think it's it's going to be good I'm just glad that Jurassic world is over that owen grady is done You know, maybe in the next franchise we'll have him come back like allen grant and you'll get all the seals go But I I'm kind of done with that. I'm done with the mazy. I'm done with this clone plot. I'm done with locusts You can't tell we're building a like colo. Yeah, it was it was it from the beginning. Yeah Anyway, anyway, but there is something new coming to the Jurassic franchise and that is this Camp grotesque. Yeah, I know the netflix series has actually got a new thing coming This is the hidden adventure coming on 15th of november the 15th After a big storm food is scarce and hungry dinos are everywhere It's up to you to help the camp fam survive in this thrilling interactive special So you might have noticed they said it's up to you and that is because this is the first Oh, as you can see netflix interactive the first of camp grotesque to be a choose your own adventure sort of thing Um, which is very interesting and it is also 32 minutes long, which is longer than a regular episode Now, I don't know if this is 32 minutes long with all the footage Like all the different choices you can choose from or just 32 minutes with one choice The reason why this is talked about Uh in the Jurassic sphere isn't just because of what it is surface level as in a camp grotesque interactive Thing with the Jurassic franchise and of course everything camp grotesque is canon so It's always interesting to see what they bring to the table there when you think about the brads and everything in the same Timeline as as Alan Grant. It's like what happened But anyway, I digress the reason why this has been talked about is because of the new big bad dinosaur that you can see right there You might be asking what you big bad dinosaur. That's a t-rex. Well It's not a t-rex. It's a new dinosaur And there's a lot of speculation as to what this dinosaur is and we're going to go into that further This is all new dangers all new choices November 5th and all new interactive episode It was just quite nice because it gives you like the hide run sort of mentality like the options at the bottom And that's sort of setting up this thing of wow really we can control Uh, you know where this goes and Netflix have sort of they've dabbled in this before I think with the jabberwocky with the black mirror episode, which is quite interesting because this is for kids It's very Jurassic world. Let's be honest. It's very like it is it's bringing camp grotesque back It's bringing a new dinosaur back or like, you know, bringing a new dinosaur to the forefront when Colin trevor when Colin trevor Travaro when Colin trevor God damn it when Colin trevaro said about changing the dna of the Jurassic franchise I don't think he realized it But basically every movie had a new big bad dinosaur that had to be killed You had indominus rex you had indoraptor and then you had the giga even though the giga Should never have been built up as of the joker as he said Um, and I'd love to pick his brain about why he said that especially when he's saying that the marketing knew what they were doing I think he knew what he was doing when he was talking about the joker Cap grotesque has a new big bad dinosaur this one it has it is nameless at the moment But it has drawn ire of many people on the internet And it's very obvious that they've basically just taken um The t-rex model and then just changed it anyone who knows 3d knows what they've done Basically, they took the base and then just edited it a little bit more Um, but that's not I think the reason why everyone's upset about this and there we go The memes were great when your official Jurassic dinosaur has been compared to fricking speckles the tarbas You've done something wrong Universal copying Literally what other things we're copying them for yes, the reason why I think people are in up in arms about the um the new dinosaur Is because It's just a bit lazy when we have so many cool designs in the franchise That when finally we get a you know a new species come to the forefront and it's just the t-rex You know sucomymus, which we've never seen I think officially in in movie form and loads of other carnivores They metricatosaurus and such and we get just a t-rex Now I know why they've done it because t-rex sells But the thing is why does it have to look exactly like a t-rex? I'm not just a t-rex, but a Jurassic park t-rex, which is why it's always nice when we get scientifically accurate t-rex It's like oh, that's what a t-rex looks like I'd sort of forgotten Anyway, I digress really the the true tragedy and crime is that we never got Uh the the real sequel that we we wanted and that is of course everyone running away from a giant Kenji There is two camps of thought when it comes to what this dinosaur is Or at least I'm in one camp and it's just me and this is why I think people are calling it the Tabasaur basically So Tabasaur sounds cooler than the alternative, which I think it could be Um, and that is the albertosaurus It's just it's a rose of the tongue nicer. It's also had like a kind of Jurassic world tie-in toy I've heard people say it's a campcretaceous tie-in toy, but no way did I ever see it was campcretaceous It's just one of those Jurassic world strike and damage sets that you get So the the final thing of evidence I think as to reason why it's probably a Tabasaur is because this guy see this little guy right here This little dude Chris Yeah, Chris is part of the Jurassic Outpost and I'm pretty sure that Jurassic Outpost have had sit-down meetings With Collin himself to talk about plots or merchandise or anything, you know to do with the franchise And he himself is saying the Tabasaur question mark, you know not saying the new dinosaur or anything other Literally saying the Tabasaur to me says that it's probably the Tabasaur, you know When you've got somebody who's on the ground floor talking with Collin himself And calls it the Tabasaur kind of feel like it's probably going to be the Tabasaur But we we we can entertain the other idea which is mine The albertasaur and my evidence is way better because of them eyebrows So basically albertasaur was introduced, I think Properly officially in Jurassic world evolution and it had these ginormous eyebrows I have no idea why maybe it's pentatology accurate But anyway, every dinosaur in Jurassic world evolution has to get the green light from universal to be canon Or at least, you know soft canon whatever you want to call it Um, and it's colorings and markings depending on the light kind of looks similar to you know The one we see in camp cretaceous not only that but there is a scene in the trailer for this new franchise Or the sorry the new episode which shows a coaster And if you look at the colorings from albertasaur in Jurassic world evolution and the colorings from the dinosaur in camp cretaceous It looks pretty much the same It's the same beigey browny sort of off off gray looking and with the off bluey greeny look And it's the same sort of pattern. I mean that's got me right That's more evidence than like a Tabasaur, which is this I mean, yes, it's spiky, but it's red and gray I mean, yeah, there's a little bit of red in it, but look the colors But I as far as much as I want to entertain this idea that is albertasaur I feel as though it's probably going to be Tabasaur because Tabasaur rolls off the tongue and Tabas Taba coaster sounds way better than Alberta coaster. Um, and that's saying if it's even called that Um, so with that being said with this, you know the whole Tabasaur escapade that basically this broke into Let's talk about what we can expect from this So I I got together a bunch of different screen caps or Or screenshots that are around the internet floating around showing the different choices that we're going to be able to make in this interactive special So this is the first one being bring bumpy or leave bumpy Um, I feel like why would anybody leave bumpy? But all right, and then already first first thing where the first time we're seeing this Already i'm thinking Wait, we know what happens to bumpy because at the end of camp cretaceous We see the campers all grown up right and bumpy's there with ben So we know that bumpy's going to be fine and we don't have anything to worry about so there's no mystery there with it And if i'm going to be honest, it feels like this is just a way to You know this should have happened before the finale, but they really still at the same time And it's just another way personally for me. I feel to milk the franchise It's a tiny bit more. It's cool that they're experimenting with something different It's just a shame that you know the experiment was tabasso and it looks like a t-rex We know i've got something else. I know it's what the viewers want Anyway, anyway, so the other choice we get is um at night and this is either the car getaway or the roller coaster And you know the fact is we have seen that this roller coaster like this is the chase here There's the damage roller coaster and even I think where is it one of these other ones before Yeah, they've you've got them You know on the roller coaster being attacked by the tabasso So to even have a choice that isn't the roller coaster Says to me that I feel like these may be Fake choices. It's like oh you choose the car getaway, but the car breaks down and you end up on the roller coaster It's kind of like oh well you got a little bit extra But really we're steering you towards the way we want you to I don't want to say that this is going to end one way And there's no multiple endings, but at the same time This is no marker player in space with multiple different endings and different shoots you can trickle down I feel like this is like you choose that way But you end up going back to the other way anyway And I feel like already with these final other two choices you have climbed down the vine Jump into the tree basically those both result and you getting on the floor That's interesting because you will see a little bit of a different animation with each But you do get but like down to the floor Whereas the other one is inputting a code So what's going to happen?  Maybe you pick the wrong answer And then someone remembers the right answer and then you go in anyway That's the way I feel like it's gonna go. Uh, you've got the another shot the t-rex there. Oh, sorry, uh, Tarbo I'm already getting confused. I mean that is the t-rex. That's the t-rex. That's the t-rex. That's the t-rex Let's be frank here. I get the feeling that this is not on manta corp This is before the campers even get off the island because We've got a roller coaster. Why would there be a roller coaster of manta corp? Unless it was supposed to entertain a guest at some point or other Anyway, uh, I just wanted to showcase this because there's been a lot to go over where the franchise is going Some things that collin said as well as covering this new thing. Um, so yeah, if you've enjoyed this video Leave a like and if there's anything, you know new things that come out I would like to start covering things again because You know, we were in this gray zone where we don't know what is coming next so every little bit of Detail juicy little gossip we get Could be expanded upon and we really haven't had that since the start of the, you know The Jurassic world franchise when we knew it was always going to be oh and greedy It was always going to be clad earring and now Now it's like okay. We've had that we've had camp cretaceous, which was successful Um, we've had lego Jurassic. Let's not even remember that like the game and also the series on netflix They've also been I think incredibly successful So can we now try something a bit different, please? And I'm not one to be like I wanted to gritty and I wanted to be gory and yes I just want to be adult and pg 18 god knows whatever they both cancel each other out I think anyway, I I'm not in that camp. I want something good. It doesn't have to be gory It doesn't have to be You know 18 plus only and have to be dark and killery like the novels. It just has to be good Uh, like if I we get like a piece that goes back in time like a prequel on netflix Hammondon stuff I would love that, but we'll see we'll see how things go But anyway guys if you enjoyed this video, let me know your thoughts in there down below Do you think it's a tabasso or an alberto so? Probably going to be a tabasso though in it But if you enjoyed this video leave a like until next time. I'll see you cuties later. Oh, bye. Bye


Hey friends tonight, we are hanging out at Disney Springs I wanted to come out and show you all the new holiday food offerings for the month of November I know we got some Santa Claus crepes We've got some Christmas nachos a holiday Thanksgiving burger over at Deluxe burger and also the new additions to Gideon's I always love coming during the holidays They have the Christmas tree trail up playing Christmas music, and it's just putting me in the holiday spirit Anyhoo's let's go do this The first thing I always plan on doing if I come to Disney Springs is head on over to Gideon's to get a virtual queue And then I want to pick up a map to actually do the Christmas tree trail The wait times to get into Gideon's could be anywhere from two to five hours So that's why you want to get a virtual queue as soon as you get here Because then you can go around and actually do other things while you're waiting in a virtual line I'm so excited to see all the holiday decorations and all the Christmas lights and listen to music The holidays at Disney Springs get better and better every single year. I love these holiday decorations right here They're really cute and there's a lot more I'm wearing my new gremlins Roosevelt shirt right here, and I feel like that is a Controversial like holiday movie. I feel like it's a Christmas movie Let me know in the comments if you guys think gremlins is the Christmas movie I mean it's kind of like diehard some people think diehard it's a Christmas movie. I think gremlins is It doesn't look like there's a lot of people in the return queue for Gideon So hopefully the virtual wait time isn't like five hours. Maybe an hour. Maybe two we might get lucky The virtual wait time is two hours and 40 minutes So we're gonna have two hours and 40 minutes to walk around springs and find some other holiday food And then we can come back here and get some cookies and coffees And I'm so excited they gave me a little menu for the month of November and I'll show you what the November offerings are Here is the menu for November and I've been collecting these because I like them so much So I got a nice little stack at home and the new cookie for November is a calavera cookie Which is kind of like a chocolate churro cookie and I also hear it has a little spice to it But they have a peanut butter banana cake slice that I really need to try I love peanut butter banana and that's gonna be amazing. They also have an Andy's mint cookies and cream cake slice So we're gonna be back in two hours and 40 minutes One of my favorite things about the holidays at Disney Springs is the holiday Hanger bar over at Jock Lindsay's and we're actually gonna come back to that a little bit closer to our two-hour window time Because we have to be back here So we'll make like a like a circle or 360 around Disney Springs and then come back So we can do Jock Lindsay's holiday bar and Gideon's and that'll be a way to cap off the night I'm gonna try to show you guys as many holiday food offerings as I can but I'm not gonna be able to order everything So if I see something I'm gonna show you and I seen this sign right outside and look at that They've got red velvet cannolis and those are actually really holiday festive, but on the other side This is still from Halloween. I would believe or maybe Thanksgiving. They've got pumpkin cannolis That sounds really really good It is always very difficult to pick and choose the things that I want to try I want to show things to you that are kind of like unique So that way I can like give you guys a better perspective whether or not you want to get it when you come visit the Springs So I'm gonna focus on like the Christmas nachos the Santa Claus crepe with eggnog custard sounds pretty unique So I want to try that and some other things, you know, we'll pick and choose as we go We've got hours to spend Right outside the boathouse. They have some snowman bobs. So there's snowman like decorations But they're fishing bobs. It looks like I think or just water bobs. I kind of like them. They're really unique Some items are actually really hard to get you have to be here early because they sell out especially at the bakeries and Amarads and stuff like that and one of the places I always miss is Kate McKinnon's bakery because they always sell out of the seasonal items So we're gonna try today and this one's really cool because it is dairy-free egg-free gluten-free and certified kosher And I always miss out on these things because they sell out It looks like their seasonal item is a pumpkin crumb cake Tis the season stop in for a slice or order ahead for delivery or pick up you can have things delivered I wonder I have to try this. I mean, I wouldn't mind having these delivered to my house I know that I can get uber eats from Earl's Sandwich and chicken guy But I don't know if I can get Aaron McKinnon's because that would be awesome I like how they have a list of bakery rules in here that I'm gonna show you that are kind of funny Bakery rules a bakery free from harmful ingredients and Cucumber uniforms and take a look at all these items. This is amazing Even the cupcake tops they have tops the cupcakes brownies pumpkin pie apple pie all the good stuff They have a lot of holiday offerings right here is the pumpkin crumb cake and then they have a cranberry Cinnamon scone down here and then over here. We have some snowflake sugar cookies along with a gingerbread Tea cake and an apple cranberry toasty. It all looks so amazing though, doesn't it? And here it is. Let's take a look see. Oh It looks very pretty. I'm gonna have to pull it out a little bit so I can show you. Oh wow That is so awesome. Isn't it so amazing that it's dairy-free and egg-free and I don't know I can't wait to try it. It looks so good though We're gonna have to take a nice little fort bite here A pumpkin crumb cake to start off the day here we go Wow That is really really good. Holy moly. I Feel like Disney Springs is becoming like Epcot not too many places to actually grab something to eat So I grab the trash can and then I flip my box upside down So that way I can eat off top of the trash can but still kind of be like off the trash can You know what a nice glass of cold milk would go great with the pumpkin crumb cake or coffee a coffee would be perfect We're gonna move along, but I wanted to show you guys one of my favorite Christmas decorations from last year It's the peanut reindeer. Look at these guys. Aren't they so cute? I love it. It kind of reminds me of Gracie. I don't know why every time I see a dog. It reminds me of my dog. I Just realized I didn't get my Christmas tree trail map This is a really fun free activity that you could do while you're down here And you actually go around and it's like a scavenger hunt. You have to find the Christmas trees around I'm gonna show you a couple of them But I don't want to show you all of them because it's a scavenger hunt and you actually have to Like match the stickers with the tree and at the end you get a button so you win a prize And I don't want to spoil that for you, but I'll show you a couple of them But not all of them Take a look at this. This is the nightmare before Christmas tree and I actually like this a lot I don't remember this from last year, but this is really pretty very fancy Now we're gonna go find our next holiday treat and this is gonna be another first for me You know eating at Aaron McKinnon's for the first time and now the crepe stand that actually is brand new It's only been here. I think maybe a year and I've never gotten a crepe here before But I had to come out and try to Santa Claus crepe. Santa Claus crepe But hold the phone it looks like the crepe stand doesn't open until 4 p.m Wow, that was a shocker. I wouldn't understand why this wouldn't be open earlier But I guess we'll have to come back and get it a little bit later on We're not that far off I think it's about 2 o'clock now and we still have to wait around for Gideon. So maybe we'll swing back around I really want to try to Santa Claus crepe. I Guess it's good to know that it's only open 4 p.m. The 10 p.m. But on the weekends. It's 12 it's afternoon 12 p.m. To 10 p.m. And We just kind of got the wrong day or the bad day That's okay because I have a perfect place to go for our next holiday treat But take a look at this tree right here. This is the Disney Junior one It's kind of like a spider-man that has a lot of spider webs and Mickey Mouse. I like it. This one's a cute little tree The next treat is probably the most eye-catching holiday treat when I first saw this I was like, okay I've got to try that but I'm not sure if I'm gonna like it So we got to try it to know and just got you you got to do it Right here at the marketplace snacks. They have the peppermint bark nachos the Christmas nachos And I'm super excited Christmas nachos and yeah, they have a lot of cool stuff here They have a lot of dole whip nachos I remember they had a dole whip nacho and I think they just swapped out that for the peppermint bark ones Here is a look of all that is in the peppermint bark nacho It's a waffle cone chips topped of white chocolate and peppermint swirls soft serve M&M's whipped cream chocolate sauce and candy cane sprinkles all for 929 look at it Doesn't it look so merry and bright? Oh, there it is There is so much happening right here I don't even know how to actually eat it that is a lot isn't it it looks so good though I Honestly, I just think I'm gonna go right down the side here. Just get a little bit of everything Then again instead of spooning it I think I'll use the waffle cone because they have red and green waffle cones And I'll use that to actually eat the ice cream with the M&M's the sprinkles and the chocolate sauce that is a lot So I think I'm just gonna take a bite just like this Okay This whole Sunday is $9 and I definitely think this should be split between two people I will not be finishing this like that is a lot But I'm excited to see if the waffle cones get like a little bit soggy as it sits actually in the swirl mix I like the end like you know the last couple bites like a banana split or any Sunday Where all the ingredients kind of just blend together is my favorite and I'm sure this one is actually really delicious We had a red cone now we got a green cone The peppermint is actually really really strong into this one very delicious I suggest getting this and sharing it. It is definitely big enough It's $9 to that's so affordable and I like the peppermint sprinkles because they're actually like little sprinkles But they're candy cane sprinkles. Do you see it? very clever This is seriously so good But I feel like I'm gonna have to retire on and I feel bad that I'm not gonna be able to finish it all But it's a lot. You know what I mean? I wanted to show you guys I would actually eat this like if I wasn't eating a bunch of other stuff today But I already know what they're not having a little bit of the crepe. I got some pumpkin scone I want to have a turkey burger. You know what I mean? I want to have a lot of other things So gonna not eat so much of it Well now we've had two kind of like treats So I think I want to actually get some food food and maybe we'll go get the Like Thanksgiving turkey burger over at Deluxe burger. That's something that I've been interested in They have a lot of actual different food items like holiday food items I just kind of was thinking the turkey burger would be fun because I normally don't eat turkey burgers I usually just eat hamburgers, but I think turkey burgers are a little bit of a healthier option And that's why I was excited to actually get the bakery item from Aaron McKenna's because that's actually a healthier option as well And I'll try to show you some of the other items like I know they have some poutine and my favorite the polite pig They have some holiday offering. So I'll show you those but I think I'm gonna eat the turkey burger Here is the daily poutine and they have a gobbler poutine with turkey brown gravy cranberry chutney and cheese curds That actually looks really really good. And then also look at the Arundel aqua punch Look at it as it actually swirls around in there. Isn't that majestic? A trip to Disney Springs isn't complete without stopping to polite pig And I just want to see what holiday favorites they have I already know I get in the turkey burger over at Deluxe burger But maybe want to eye up something next time we come Looks like the polite pig actually has an open-faced turkey smash Which is kind of like a Thanksgiving dinner a turkey din din and it's $18.00 It's Texas toast mashed potatoes cornbread stuffing turkey gravy and cranberry barbecue Wow, you know, I actually might come back because I don't have any plans for Thanksgiving And I'm not too sure where I'm gonna have Thanksgiving dinner at probably somewhere at Disney property But that actually might be an option because I mean, I love the smoked turkey here. So maybe we'll be back for that Okay, now I'm starting to get hungry I was in and polite pig and that place is so so good But now we're gonna make our way to Deluxe burger to try the T'lux the T'lux the T'luxen burger the T'luxen I like it. I tried to mobile order the holiday burger, but I'm not seeing it on here So I don't know if I can actually mobile order it or if I just actually have to go in and order it It's kind of funny because I always just think that you have to mobile order it because that's how it used to be Where the only way you can actually get food is mobile ordering But now we have the option that we can just go into places and I kind of like that The menu out front actually doesn't say anything about the burger either So I'm kind of confused. I don't know if they have one or not Or if it's just a regular turkey burger that they've always had they got the Christmas decorations up though So I don't see why not Well shocking twist again first the crepe stand doesn't open at four and I don't think they have a holiday turkey burger out yet I think it's actually gonna come out soon But I don't think it's ready yet because I didn't see it in the app and I didn't see it on the menu And then I asked inside and they didn't know what I was talking about So I mean I seen pictures of it. I googled it and I did see it and it had like a cranberry Like sauce on it and it had risotto and it was it looked really fancy But maybe it's not out for a little bit any who's I think we can go back to the play pig now and have Thanksgiving dinner I mean, it's not that bad As we make our way back though, I want to show you the disney springs christmas tree This is the main main tree right here and it's so beautiful and at night time It's actually gonna snope like they spray snope right there is a snope cannons I want a snope cannon. I'd have fun with that for hours It'd be really fun and I also like how they have the lights on the palm trees adds a nice little florida christmas touch I hope i'm not missing out anything on the deluxe burger like the turkey burger I've had a deluxe burger before and it was good. I mean it wasn't the best burger in the world But I never had the turkey patty if you had the turkey patty Let me know in the comments and if you do plan on coming down here Or if you had the holiday won't let me know because I mean I just didn't see it and I asked So, you know, I mean it's not so bad. I love to like pig and I was excited to try the turkey dinner here anyway And it also looks like there's hardly any weight on the inside. So that is absolutely amazing They do have a woodchuck cider and a pumpkin mudslide cocktail You might get the pumpkin mudslide cocktail to go with it because that sounds really really good I like pumpkin. I like mudslide and I like cocktails The best thing is you get to sit down outside and actually enjoy your meal Luckily, I got a table that has an umbrella and it's starting to rain. So I'm actually sitting outside eating in the rain I'm eating in the rain Just eating in the rain First things first the pumpkin mudslide cocktail and look at this I don't even know what's in it. It just is a special. So it's a handwritten sign But it smells great. It looks great and I cannot wait to try it. I mean look at that Wow That is good Well, this is the first holiday themed beverage I've had For basically November and December and I have to say it's going to be hard to beat that I plan on having a lot more holiday beverages, you know, holiday monorail crawls and holiday skyliner crawls But this right here is so delicious It's like a dessert and a cocktail mixed together and I love pumpkin and it's a frozen beverage as well This is super super good. Wow Seriously so so good. Cheers to you guys Well, I am a big fan of the pumpkin mudslide cocktail, but can we just talk about this turkey smash? Holy moly Doesn't this look so amazing? I can't when they brought it out. I was kind of just like like honestly like in uh in drooling But that looks so good a cranberry barbecue sauce turkey gravy cornbread stuffing I cannot wait to try this and to think I was gonna wait to actually get this I'm so happy that things played out the way that they did and wow this might be like a really good Thanksgiving meal like if you're down here and you don't have family like me And uh, you need like a Thanksgiving meal. This would be really good to come and try I think Look at this bad boy Oh A little bit of everything in one bite. We got some turkey some cornbread stuffing some cranberry barbecue Some Texas toast and gravy. Here we go It's like That is so so good It is very Very delicious. I can taste all the smokiness in there Now the only thing is is when it comes to like a traditional Thanksgiving dinner I kind of wouldn't like think of this per se only because you got like that cranberry barbecue And you got that smoky turkey flavor. It doesn't taste like Thanksgiving dinner But it is so delicious. Like it is amazing. I honestly I'm kind of like blown away by it And I didn't get a lot of taste of the cornbread stuffing So I think I'm gonna try a little bit that on its own because you know stuffing makes the meal But for me, I think it does The stuffing alone is so good Oh, yeah, wow That is amazing. I wish they would have that as a side. I'd get it all the time Like I said, it doesn't feel like Thanksgiving dinner But it is so amazing It is kind of like mind blowing because it is it I mean overall it's polite pigs Thanksgiving dinner. It's a turkey smash But it's like such a unique flavor I love it and I like the cranberry barbecue sauce too. That actually mixes really well But my favorite is probably the smoky turkey and the cornbread stuffing Those two together just make this meal amazing polite pig keeps its long running reputation of not disappointing Still my favorite quick service location here at disney world and that turkey dinner was amazing $18 too. That's not bad at all in a restaurant. You probably pay like 30 for that Now it's time to actually move along as we were sitting there. We killed a lot of time And actually our Gideon's time actually got called. So we're gonna head over to Gideon's now I asked what was in the pumpkin mud slide cocktail and they told me it was cappuccino mix ice cream Pumpkin flavored vodka and then a coffee liqueur and it was so delicious But I also want to point out it's kind of funny because I pointed out every time But uh, we're gonna head over to Gideon's now And did you know that Gideon's first started selling cookies at disney springs here at polite pig So they were selling like the polite pig here was here for a while And they were selling Gideon's cookies inside here before the store opened up So you can kind of think polite pig that that we have Gideons. Isn't that kind of mind-blowing? As we're walking past sprinkles, I realized we need to keep with our tradition And we need to get Gracie her pup cup her little doggie cupcake And we'll see if the atm's up and running. I don't know. I can't tell. Oh, nope We got the arrow here So maybe we'll have to come back because it looks like there's a big line in there But we'll won't forget about her. We have to get to our Gideon's virtual cue though Looks like the line has grown a little bit here at Gideon's definitely got a lot more people waiting So they might have called people and I think I got called a little bit early not too early But it's been about two maybe two and a half hours I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to stick to the calivari cookie I don't know if I can get the peanut butter banana cake slice. Oh, you know what? Maybe I could and I can put it in my freezer or take it home You know, I don't want to miss out on that and I don't know when I'll be back again So maybe I'll get it and then take it home and I can eat it with Gracie as she has her pup cake But we've had a lot of sweets today and you know, I still want to get the Santa Claus crepe that is probably open by now Yeah, it is definitely open. So we'll have to stop over there And we have made it inside The three little ones Halloween 2021. These are actually really cool. I just love the smell in here You know, I might actually end up getting a pumpkin candle to take home with me I ran out of my one that I got I think back in september. I already burned it all up So I need a new Gideon's candle too Here is a look at all the cakes and wow some of them look so so good But that peanut butter banana one, it's been calling me But I can't I you know, I don't know if I can get it or not And then over here is the andy's mint cookies and cream and you can see on the outside of the cake It's just covered in little bits of andy's mints and I like that but It calls me Here is some of the candles they don't have a new one for november yet But they still have the pumpkin chai cold brew candle, which is really good I have that one and then I have this one too. This is from I think the month before that's the key lime one And then this one is the coffee cake one Both of them are just all three of them are amazing, but I think I'll wait to see if our december one comes out As we were actually inside Gideon's it started down pouring So I didn't get my beloved peanut butter banana cake only because I don't got an umbrella And it was pouring rain. So I don't want to carry it around and it gets soaking wet So I'm gonna have to come back to Gideon's eventually and get my cake But I did get the cookie for november and that was the most important thing, you know what I mean? And uh, yeah twist my arm gotta come back to Gideon's. Oh got me All right, here it is. I already unwrapped it a little bit But I can't wait to show you this bad boy in the light They looked completely different when you actually see that like outside of the case And look at that. Can you see the cinnamon on there? Wow This is gonna be good now. They did say there's a little bit of spice, but not too much And you can see a lot of cinnamon on there Here it is. We're gonna break it in half here Look at that So good Look at that filling right in between there. I can't wait to bite into it Here we go first bite That is so so good the inside's kind of like a cake like it's really cakey and delicious Oh, and it's so soft. Look at it's falling apart. I'm glad that landed on my paper That would have been sad cookie down. Put that cookie down I can't wait to see what uh holiday or december cookie that comes out That's gonna be more of a christmas cookie and that's what i'm excited for But you know, uh, I actually talked to the owner of Gideon's and he said he really wanted to have something more for Thanksgiving before Christmas So that's why they're gonna have a christmas cookie for like this for december and i'll be back for it because I love them Can't get enough of the Gideon's cookies I think i'm gonna parcel this out and save it for later It's always good to actually take Gideon's cookies home because they taste just as good a couple hours later And look I got chocolate all over me. I need to find somewhere to wash my hands Now that the cookie business is done I think we're gonna head right on over to jockelynsey's hanger bar or jockelynsey's holiday bar And see all the holiday offerings that they have there now They have a lot more than they did last year or the year before that So it's gonna be a hard to cover everything but i'm gonna see what I can get the most of definitely some drinks Some drinks are well-do I always love coming to jockelynsey's hanger bar, but I love it when it's the holiday bar The decorations in here are so amazing. I love it. Look at this So fancy It's like i'm walking into a cozy living room with all the christmas decorations It is so beautiful in here We got our table and I like that you can hear christmas music in here And you can stare at all the pretty lights and they actually have a holiday beer That's like a dunder and blitzen or blitzen kind of like a You know play on the reindeer's and it is a winter ale and it's 8.8 percent alcohol And that is very high and i'm excited to try it You know, I like holiday beers, but also they have some holiday desserts like the lump of coal And I seen on the menu and I want to try it last year They had the cookies and milk and I think they brought it back It was just a bunch of cookies with coquito and uh, I think I'm gonna try the lump of coal this year something new, you know Luckily I ran into a friend to actually do my lump of coal with and drink some beers and it's erica all things parks Look at that. You got some christmas lights behind you. Cheers I also was inspired to get this beer because I thought they said dunder like dunder mifflin So I was like, okay, I'll take it but I can't wait to try it Oh, yeah, that is very hoppy. It's got a kick Oh, yeah I'm ready That is something else that is a lot. Oh, it smells so good. It was like fire. Wow. Can we just have that smell? Yeah, that would be amazing. Oh, wow, this looks good. What do we do with them now? So So they're oreo balls. Oh, the oreo chocolate. Nice dipping sauce is a uh, a fireball cinnamon sauce.  What was the sauce did he say? Fireball fireball fireball I think I lost my coal in the sauce here. So I'm gonna try to pull this out delically Oh boy Here we go We're going in These are so so good.  I mean, this is good It's cheaper. It's 12 dollars and he gets five of the oreo bites And I like the fire whiskey sauce But the coquito and the cookies and milk are way better and that's like 23 dollars I believe and you can you have enough to share it with but this is kind of fun The presentation is cool and I like the smoke. So I mean, it's it's a festive dessert. What can he say? Now that we've gotten our lumps of coal, which actually it wasn't too bad Like I ate maybe one and a half and Eric ate like one and a half and we still have one left over It is a very sweet heavy dessert Uh, I think we're gonna move along and we're gonna go try the Santa Claus crepe Because I had that on the list from the beginning. I'm kind of really like already stuffed But uh, I want to at least try it, you know what I mean? I want to add it into the mix especially since I talked about it And I've been waiting for it to open at four o'clock and it's just about that time Now we're gonna move along like I said, and we're gonna head on over to the crepe stand But I do want to stop and get one more holiday drink They actually have three disney springs Holiday drinks that they have at the outside carts and I figured maybe we'd try one of those to go along with the crepe, you know Take a look at these fancy drinks right here a Mary margarita a fireside cider and a mistletoe And honestly the fireside cider sounds pretty good cinnamon whiskey stole even alavaca white cranberry juice grenadine and ginger ale And I think Eric is gonna get the Mary margarita So I think I'll get the fireside. She'll get the Mary margarita both of them sound really amazing though Here are the drinks take a look at this So this is the fireside and this is the Mary margarita and they have little lights inside of them And this is the glow cube from the lumps and coal that Erica took from jockelynsie's holiday bar So it doesn't normally come in that drink, but it needed to it belonged in that drink It I mean it it belonged it's a Mary margarita So here cheers grab yours Cheers Mary margaritas Tastes like a fireplace Yeah, it's like really good like fireside or it's very well You're eating with the lumps of coal Oh, yeah Yeah, this is how so they should have had this with the lumps of coal. It would have made sense I made my way all the way back over here to get myself that santa claus crepe And it's closed still. I don't know what's going on with the crepe stand I feel like I let you guys down I hiked up to santa claus crepe, but there's really nothing I can do about it Kind of sad, you know, I want to know what that eggnog custer is like So maybe I'll have to come back down eventually and try it one day Maybe they're actually just having staffing issues and that's probably why they have limited hours like four to ten But I guess they just didn't open today Maybe uh, I don't know no because today's like thursday, so it's like a very popular day So it's not like it's a monday or tuesday. I don't know for every reason. They're not open. They're just not open And uh instead, you know, I still got my uh my drink and I think uh, maybe I'll go see if it's snoping You know, sometimes they actually have snow Where the main disney springs christmas tree is and I think it'd be pretty to take a look As we make our way over though, I do want to show you the haunted mansion christmas tree trail I keep on calling it the tree trail, but it's actually a christmas tree stroll Because the tree trail doesn't exist anymore and I like seeing the heartbeat in the bride right there It's actually kind of terrifying And there it is the main christmas tree all lit up I was hoping that the snopes started, but it doesn't look like it did Usually the floor is a little bit snoppy, but I don't see nothing yet. It's still a little bit early out It's still hard getting uh, uh accustomed to the uh Time switch here because now it's like really dark out. It's only six o'clock. So there they are Maybe any second we'll get a blast of snow I love how they have little hidden mickeys on the ornaments here. Take a look at them right here Can you see those little hidden mickeys? Isn't that so nice These ones for some reason aren't working right now. I think they're having a little electrical issue But it gives me an opportunity to show you the hidden mickeys at least I wanted to come and actually get a cupcake from sprinkles because you know, I have to get my pup cake But it says sorry. We are sold out for the day. What is gracey gonna think of this? I bet you they're not sold out of the the doggie cupcakes though I mean, I could see they're probably sold out of the other ones, but not the pup cakes It looks like they do have a couple of the items here like the nutella french toast Which is a yellow cake filled with whipped nutella topping maple cream cheese frosting And finished with a cinnamon sugar and then they got the pumpkin one. I had the pumpkin one I think but that nutella french toast one looks good So so good. Wow, but I don't think I can get it instead. We're just gonna stick to the little pup cake for gracey girl Well, I guess with that we're done here. I got gracey her little cupcake I feel like I've been at Disney Springs forever. I got here at 12 o'clock and now it is almost eight o'clock That is eight hours at Disney Springs. I mean, I know I had to wait a little bit because of Gideons and stuff like that, but wow eight hours at Disney Springs I mean, that's an impressive night, but I'm loving all of the different like November offerings And I want to come back and I saved a couple of items for December So I can come back in December and try the Santa Claus crepes But there are so many other places that are offering things and I'm excited to actually do these videos all the time Like I said, I've been trying to do like a monthly recap because they always have new stuff like I didn't do amorets yet and that's usually one of the places I go to and Yeah, like I said, December brand new cookies at Gideons and maybe a new coffee too And uh, yeah, so hope you enjoyed the video. My glasses are fogging up I'll see you next time.  All right, here we go. Come on Yes. Yes. Oh There we go. What are you doing? Where you taking it?


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