All right. Hello everybody. If it's Wednesday it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up Tom? Hello friends. By the way we're using a different audio setup today so people in the chat who can see this please tell me that you can hear us okay as I just saw it come up so that's good it's live that's nice. My head is like completely muted Tom. Pause it. Another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Joining... We're good. Classic. Classic. Well done Tom. Is this five years for you or five days? It feels like five days. Sure. Also joining us this week you can already tell is our wives. So my wife Kathy say hello. Hi everybody. I'm wearing my doctor's mask you know for COVID. She's ready for the plague and Tom would you like to introduce your wonderful wife? This is my wife Amber. There you go. For those of you who watched the previous Warhammer wives show they you know hopefully they're familiar. Neither of us switched wives since that show. Still the same wives. So we're gonna talk about we're gonna do some questions for the wives tonight so if you've got questions drop them in there. But first we'll do some we'll do some quick normal stuff which is just some some minor news things. So Tom have you got some minor news things? Yeah we have like a rumor engine or something right? We do it's up on the screen. Yeah you're kind of excited about this rumor engine aren't you? Well a lot of people were saying it's the back of a giant. It's clearly not. It's way too small in scale you can tell from the size of the brushstrokes. Yep. So I don't know what it is. I have no clue. Actually I take that back. I've got I've got a theory. I've got a theory. It just clicked with me. Okay. It's funny. There it is. So it looks photoshopped around the edge right? Yep. Okay. It's that little thing right there. It's the little thing in the bottom right corner yes. Okay so what's the most classic component of the old giant kit Tom? The cow. Well no the cow is good but there's a much more famous thing. Ah Johan. Johan which is a guy running away going from the giant right? Right.  Right. You're suggesting it's a new Johan. Boom. Johan to electric boogaloo. That's what it is. Yep. I'm gonna need more gen for this. Sure. That seems reasonable. Tom. I mean check it out. Sure. Amber do you have any guesses as to what this image is in the corner of the screen? Any thoughts? You can guess anything. It looks like a... Just missed it. That's all right. It's okay. We don't know either. Hold on hold on. It looks like it's like a bad dive cowboy bar. Sure. Like it would be behind like behind the bar and up on the wall. Yeah.  Sure. So let me just share what you don't see. Tom doesn't have any one screen up long enough for me to be able to tell where we're at. It's true. I'm like jumping around pulling images.  I'm sorry. Like... Well then I... You're fine Amber. It's right there. It's right there. That's what we're talking about. Yeah I'm with her on that. Yeah. No it's okay. Your response honestly Amber is right in line with our responses to most of these images most weeks. Like really you're completely on brand for the show. We look at them and go I have no idea what this is supposed to be. No you're right on. You're right on. I already need more time. Okay. Yeah. That's fine. We've already already sent her for more alcohol. All right Tom what else we got in the news? Yeah sure. So... Wrong button. We we found out a white dwarf this week. We have three new battalions dropping in for OBR. So Volkmore... Morton. Morton. How do you say his name? Yeah I do. Yeah so some more OBR stuff. Maybe they'll balance out with the stalkers and the other guys. Maybe. Okay. So that's coming. And they had a news they had an article or like an info thing dropped today about like when it's going to happen. Whatever. Yep.  Right. Yep. Right. And then we did a show this week for those that didn't catch it. We had a preview show on the giant releases on Saturday. And we have another one in two weeks for another set of releases that are coming. Oh yeah I need to tell you about that. And... Nice. Subtle. Subtle Tom. Subtle. And then... Yeah so this is a good show. What were your thoughts on it Vince? Yeah it was... If you want to see our reaction to the most recent preview I thought it was really good. They fixed all of the challenges they had. Like we didn't have to wait as long in between. They had... It was much faster. Yeah it was solidly paced. They did a good job. They actually played the videos again in the interim period instead of just letting it be a few minutes of silence. Well done. They took all the feedback and actually made a change within a week's time. And most importantly we got the confirmation we're getting our giants. Which is all I care about. So there you go. Now we just await what those models are. It's true story. Yep. Are they female giants? No they're not female giants. Come on now. It's a shame. Of course. It's a shame. It is. Tom's choice of miniatures means he paints like no females because he's been painting dwarves for like the past forever years. And then dead people. Excuse me. I just painted 90 females of my daughters of Cain. I guess. That was years ago. No that was my army last year. That feels like that was like... It was two years ago. We probably painted it two years ago. In the current world Tom last week was like two years ago. So actually a year ago was like 10 years ago. You gotta do a math. That's legitimate. Like we're trapped in this house. So... You are. Yeah I am. You're not. It's true. She's essential. She is essential. I am not. Other news. We had a leak today. Okay. Like from a pipe? No. No. Not in our home. And not from our three year old. And not from our three year old. All of the potential leak sources. Yes. We're not that. Yes. I'm just looking for my window to share this real quick. Here we go. I have the image of high shift. That's what you're going to do. No. No. I'm going to do this one first. Okay. So this was shared and it wasn't meant to be shared. Okay. And there's some interesting elements here that we did not previously see. Most significantly here of new things. Oops. Are down here. Do you guys see that zoom? Enhance. Yeah. Enhance. We have. We have these war picks here. Okay. Instead of hammers. Yeah.  The Moomoo's got a head. That's his helmet. See he's got a normal. He's got a normal face here. And then it's a super tall head. Up into like a bull. On top of it. But this is his actual face. See like those are his eyes. Why. That's a good question. Many in the community are asking that same question. That's his head. Way down there. Yeah. The lower parts his head. See that's just. Those are his shoulders. Oh, I thought that was his crotch because I thought that the bull head was his head. And then if you like, he just had a really skinny body. And then he had like extra appendages. No, although we can get, we can get Hey, whoa, Twitch on that and you can get a version of that if you like. Oh, thank you. That's true story. You can make it into the tiger king if you take the horns off. The tiger king. Oh, yeah. We'll get there. Other significant elements here that we learned about. Um, we're, uh, there's a really weird, like this helmet is a little bit different. Like this is actually, I think that this is a, this looks like a different, uh, uh, captain, even the, even if it's not, I don't know if it's the angle, but it looks actually a lot more like that art piece that we got with the, the one helm. Sure. Those are normal heads. Yes. Those are normal. Is this the normal head? No, that's a weird scary baby head. It's like mini horns and big horns. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. How about this cow up here? Ladies, what do you think about the cow? That's not a cow. That's a cow. I don't know. It's a giant monster. It's, it's a man with a lion face or a yak head.  I don't get it. It doesn't look, I don't know. I don't know. I haven't spent time in Texas. Tom, tell us. I look like you're here to me. Okay. You know, the only two things coming from Texas. Yes, Tom, we all got it. We all went there. It's all good. And then the tech list is back. You're hiding. He's flying. Where he, where he, where he actually looks like he could be a good model when he's out of focus. Yes, exactly. He's terrible when you get a. Yeah. Okay. So there we go. That was the new thing. Do you have the high ish image that. Is it, is it the one I shared or is it the one that. It doesn't matter. You don't need the doctored one. You only need the real one. So it's up on the screen now. Okay. So they shared a map of Heish, the realm of Heish today, the realm of light. And it's up on the screen now for those who are, who can see the screen. And as was immediately pointed out by anybody who had eyeballs, like their explanation was it's split into 10. Realms. So this central realm where most people live and then there's four and four. And the, and it was interesting enough story, like for the realms are tech leon. They're, they're more introspective and thoughtful and magical. And they serve techless. And four of them are more tyrannic. They serve Tyrion. And they're more Marshall and melee oriented and things like that. And then there's the outer ring, which is the 10th realm. And that's just like wild chaos type of, of magic stuff. But still it's chaos in an ordered fashion. Don't worry about it. Don't think about it too hard. Anyway, cool enough story. The point is, is that immediately anyone with eyes recognized that this is the chaos symbol, the eight pointed star of chaos, like one, two, three, four. Boom. Star right there. Clear as day. The realm of Heish is divided in, and this is the legacy realm. Like these were the divisions before the re-invasion of chaos. Yeah. Like this is from the age of myth. Yeah. So Tom, your theory is panning out. The symbols are there. You're going to, you're going to, pretty soon Tom's going to have one of those X file walls. He's going to have a Pepe Silva wall. I mean, just up there. For those that are still struggling to see what we're talking about, I think it's only appropriate that I share this image. Sure. So you have the chaos eight pointed star for those that don't know, clearly chaos is infiltrated Heish and the elves have been duped and hashit the, the father of darkness, the cow headed God has, has tricked all the elves. That's what's happened. The hashit heresy is real folks called it here first. There you go. So that's pretty hilarious. Yep. Did those look like high elves to you? Nope. Are you sure those are supposed to be high elves? No, they're not. They're supposed to be, they're supposed to be a Lumeneth realm Lord some, you want to make them high elves. High elves are dead. They died in the world that was. All I know is he's going to modifies everything to what he wants anyway. So that is a true statement. Oh, I'm stuck in the dog. That is a true statement indeed. Um, so I think that's our news. That's the news. All right. Cool. Do you got a pic of the week, Tom? I do. Um, Paul Conti, a friend of the show, um, just recently released a, um, an update, uh, an updated, uh, well, I would say a video on charging and tactics around it. Um, and it's basically like it's in some sense, it's an updated form of the video I did back in first edition AOS. Um, and I highly recommend it. Um, you did a great job kind of summarizing, um, uh, all kind of the tactics around charging. Nice. Yeah. It's good. I watched it. I like it. Uh, he pointed out a lot of really good things that I think people should pay more attention to. Uh, and it's also one of the reasons that the game takes forever when you play Tom. Uh, so there you go. So you can, you can, uh, you can make your games slow and tedious just like Tom. So wouldn't that great? Learn all the tricks. Uh, yeah. Um, I got a spare bedroom. Sure. Win games and place lower. Go ahead Amber. I'm sorry. I'd say I'd be up there by tomorrow morning, but I'm not allowed to leave the state. Right. Like our governor literally said, we're not allowed to leave the state. But if I get out there, I'll stay for two weeks. There you go. You're more than welcome anytime. Tom, not so much, but you Amber, you can come anytime. Uh, so the, uh, my pick of the week is actually I want to do a nice review of the show. And I'm Phillip Wilkinson every week. He's awesome. Great regular viewer. And, uh, every week he's been watching the whole show and then composing the show in, in rhyme. Like he hits all the high points of the show in rhyme. He puts together a rhyme, a poem, a rap, you may call it whatever you want, but the point is that it's great. And he always has it in the comments and I always really love when he does it. It always makes my day. So I wanted to shout fill out for, for thank you for being a regular viewer and doing such a great review of Phillip. Uh, so you can check that out. Just watch the comments for stuff. There's usually really great comments. I'm so grateful for everybody who watches the show and leaves comments. They always say really cool things. So, uh, all right. Tom, what have you been working on, man? What's your hobby time?  Uh, no. Um, they're painting their own armies. Um, but, uh, we, I've been doing some war cry with my son. Um, he played a couple of games yesterday. Um, uh, I played night hot twice because I'm lazy. And he played, uh, storm cast and iron jaws. So, um, yeah. So, uh, I've been doing that. I've been painting a little bit. Uh, I went and stuck into one of my local stores and, uh, ransacked their old bits. So that I came away with like, a hundred and some bits of pile of stuff. So I am ready for the new release. Okay. So, uh, Vince has been working on the giraffe of sources. That's what she's called them. Yes. Yeah. The, uh, so I've been doing obviously the 24 hour. I did the, another paint and army in 24 hours. I won't talk about whether or not I was successful. Uh, but, you know, it was maybe a little of both. Who knows? You don't have to wait and see for the video, but I will say that, uh, I now have some amount of painted serif on and I have some amount more I could paint. So there we go. That's, that's how that works out. Uh, I've also been doing some more work on, also been doing some more work on this girl, uh, my sister a battle in the sunset scheme. Uh, I really love this, uh, scheme, but I didn't get to work on it because I've done nothing, but record, but giraffe of sources. Yes. All giraffe of sources for many days. And, uh, that was a long intensive process. So, but we're going to try a bunch of new fun things with this video and for the tutorial for this and actually try to be like, professional and, you know, edit a video and stuff like that. I don't know. It's crazy. It probably won't take. I warn everybody in advance, but we'll see what we can do. I figured out how I do like a little overlay thing where I can put a picture on the screen while I'm talking. I'm learning things. Well, I took five and a half years. So I feel like that's really a good, I mean, I think we've done that before. Not in a, not in a tutorial video. I don't know. Got it. Got it. Uh, but at any rate, uh, yeah, so that's my hobby time. Good stuff. Okay. I've also put together a lot of things. Like, that are not. I mean, it is true. That was so late. It's very vague, Tom. Very vague. I've put together so much furniture this week. Oh, you see, what, Ikea? No, like, outdoor stuff. Like we bought, like we renovated our deck basically this week because I mean, why not? This is, we have lots of outdoor home time and it's been great weather. Um, and so, uh, we, I've been like my fingers hurt from building furniture today. Like, are you assembling furniture or are you actually building furniture? Yeah, there with a table saw. I don't see Tom, like, No, I did. I did tear down that. Remember the, the outdoor deck that was all rotted fence? Yeah. I tore that all down. So the patio is all nice downstairs. Oh wow. Yeah. So it will be nice. God, I love how she keeps you grounded. Uh, she does. Um, but so we're, we're literally like, but that has involved a lot of like breaking. Um, and like, but no, no raw building. So. Okay. All right. Uh, I do want to give a shout out to Paul in the chat before he goes absolutely insane because his take, by the way, on the, the Heish map is not that it's a stud, the cast are, but that it's a spider. So that it's a giant spider. And, uh, we'll go with that. Sure. Okay. So, I'm going to, it's not just that the elves have secretly given themselves over to a spider God, I think is his point. So sure. Why not? I kind of hope either of those things are true. Uh, okay. I mean, the entrance of a loaf into the mortal realms, there you go. There you go. Oh, good call. I like it. Uh, where are we going to go? Yeah, we can have that, that happen right on. Bring on some, some, some, some, some, bring on some for some drow. I'm down with that. All right. So with that out of the way, shall we get to the real segment of the show, the reason we're all here tonight? Yes. I'm, I'm like trying so hard to make sure we have all the questions. Okay. I think we have all the questions from Twitter and all the questions from the comments. All in the document. Okay. That's what I was doing jumping back and forth. Folks. Sure. Yeah. So we went and pulled all the Twitter questions as well. Okay. So I've got some questions of my own. And I, I think it needs to go back to two things. One, Amber, what do you drink in tonight? Let's see. Tonight is. Amaretto sour. And the background is I had half a bottle of sour and no Amaretto. So I asked Tom to give me a full bottle of Amaretto so I could finish it off. Well, that's not exactly what happened. I didn't. I told you it wasn't essential. Because I made an extra stop and risk my life with COVID. To buy her bottle of Amaretto. Oh, yes. Clearly putting yourself on the line. Yes. You and the soldiers of World War two basically the same thing now, Tom. Absolutely. Okay. What are you drinking? Yeah, I'm doing. So I'm drinking my distillers select Woodford reserve. Kentucky Derby 146. It's not going to happen now. They're there distillers select. So this might be a collector's item, but I'm drinking it. So that's what's happening. Thank you. I can go get another bottle. Vince Vince's drinking strawberry lemonade, vitamin water, zero sugar. That's his, that's his, his new found non diet. He's still off caffeine. Still don't believe this. Like the person I'm, I am slowly tackling the bottles of diet. Dr. Pepper upstairs. I take them into work when I go in. And, um, and like my team basically, I just say I have a six pack and we put it away over the course of like two weeks, you know, and so that's kind of, there's, that would have been a day for me. I know that would have been a day, but like they're slowly struggling. And I am drinking a beef eater 24 right here right now. Um, and then I brought down a beef eater pink. So, and I've got my favorite tree tonic. So that's what we're drinking tonight. Okay. And then Amber, I want to talk a little bit about Tom's choice of footwear for today because you let something slip earlier about him leaving to go get you something. And I was like, no, no, no, no, I dip, dip, wait, wait. So, um, we're hunkered down. Vince and I are stuck here and it's interesting because, um, you know, he works from home normally. So it's, it's like no big deal for him, but I'm an extrovert and I'm going a little crazy. And so, um, uh, we'll get to that later, but I didn't send Vince to the grocery for liquor, given it's an essential, although Ohio, you can now have it delivered. So as of today or earlier this week, you can purchase food and you can get two alcoholic beverages with every entree and it can be delivered to your house. So tomorrow we're hitting the margaritas hard and I'm taking Friday morning off. Um, Are you having Vince? Are you ordering margaritas with Vince's entree so that you can drink those two? Absolutely.  Um, anyway, so, so that's on that, but Amber sent Tom out earlier. Let her tell the story. I'm getting there. Okay. She's in a lot of set up. I'm sorry. I've had a lot of liquor. Let Amber go. Okay. Never mind.  Oh no, it's perfectly fine. I enjoy your storytelling actually. So it was actually the offer of, hey, we were out of milk. So we needed, that was probably more essential than anything that I'm drinking currently. We drink a lot of milk. Yeah. Gross. Continue. That's our kids. Sure. Um, Is it over lucky charms or fruit loops? Just milk. Just chocolate milk. Over and over and over again. So, uh, so I said, Hey, we are out of milk. Like. Can't make any more chocolate milk. So he was headed to the store. So I offered him like, I'm going to stay home today. I work most days that back in the office, but today I was at home. So I was like, okay, well, if you want to, if you want to go to the store, you can go to the store. So I can wrangle the kids here at the house and give you a chance to get out.  And I'm like, did you choose to wear mismatching sandals for a reason? Not talks. Shoes. Miss matching. Shoes. Okay. First of all. They aren't matching. They are. After all it's still. The.  I couldn't find the other. I saw the silhouette. So I just pulled it out and put my foot in it. I didn't really look at it because I assumed it was the other matching. Sandal to my pair. So I wondered around Lexington with two different sandals today. That happened. in those today. That happened. So Vince never not wears, I know, not grammatically correct, but we'll live with it for now. The same pair of Doc Martens, right? He is always wearing the Chelsea boot. That's, that's his like, that's his thing. He wears them. That's what he wears. He loves them. It annoys me because every time I say, Hey, you probably should get another pair of them. His response is always, Oh, when, when the next season is over. So like, I know people have asked about this. And I think Doom might have brought this up to me in another conversation. But yeah, Vince always wears them. And yes, it gets annoying. And he makes a promise every winter, I'll get them in the spring, I'll get them in the spring. And then he always pushes that out. Have you gotten a new pair this year? No. And don't need one. Why would I need new shoes now? I don't leave the house. Here we go. You wear them in the house or just go out of the house all the time, every minute from this. As soon as I get up and I'm going in the morning. So I'm sorry. No, I obviously not. I don't sleep in them. But no, like, unless I am, I get up, I work out, I do normal morning things. And then I put my shoes on. And then they stay on until I go to bed at night. And that's it. I wear shoes every day and socks and clothes, like normal people clothes. This is the first time I've flat ironed my hair since I was in Las Vegas beginning of March. I just like to say that out loud. Yeah, my statement is y'all need some discipline. That's what I think. So I wear, I wear pajama pajama pants, sometimes for multiple days in a row. Yeah, look at Amber's, look at Amber's face. I'm dealing with four kids over here. Are you going to start wearing the pajama pants to class when you become the the traditional professor? No, I have to get a job first. But our kids will probably still be in the same pajama pants. Does he have matching pajama pants to the kids? No, he won't do that. Okay, that's probably for the best. I mean, we do have matching Batman pajama pants. Wes doesn't grow into them. I know. Well, don't worry, by the time Tom gets a job, Wes will grow into them and probably out of them and into like a business suit as he goes off to some job somewhere. All right, so we got lots of questions. This is good. Well, let me say this. Amber, did you want to, did you want to start off with anything before we get into all those other questions? Did you have a question you want to ask or anything you wanted to, to shout out or expose Tom for or ask me or Kathy? No, I just think you're all crazy wanting us back on the show. Nonsense. You both were a delight. And let me say this. This was but absolutely by popular demand. Right. You were both extremely well received. And we have been getting like, not a week goes by that somebody doesn't ask when is that when are the wives coming back? I'm not surprised. We are hilarious. Absolutely. Your spin off show is ready and waiting. You have a built in audience that you're sleeping on. You're sleeping on it here. You're sleeping.  I probably could. Like it could be titled like, what did Vince steal from my craft room today? Or what did I use him of stealing, but he actually was given? That's a segment on the new show. Oh, that's a segment. Okay. And then every week you spend five minutes and talk about what, what your husband took out of your craft room or what chores he forgot to do. That's more than five minutes. That's going to be over here. Put them on a lipgloss. Well, originally, all of our segments were shorter, but then over time they creep up. So don't worry, Ember, again, that's, it's exactly how you run a show. You're correct. Done. All I'm saying is we've got a golden girls thing here. Your, your empty nest is just ready to go. So I mean, my point is when you've got that opportunity, you take it. So all right, shall we do some questions? Sure. Tom, I'll let you guide. You wrote them all down. Ask whatever you want. So I just started in the Twitter feed and then we'll go to the actual show chat. So here you go. So if your husbands were from the mortal realms, what army would they be from and why and what would their basic war scroll stats be? You don't know what any of that means. Kathy, I'm going to let you take the charge on that one. I would say that Vince wants to be the little, the girly things, those pink things. Yeah. Yeah. He wouldn't want to be in that, but in reality, he would be part of the Skaven army. Okay. So it's like goals, reality. That's what you're saying. Okay. Yeah. Got it. So I am, I am at heart a rat. I understand that you do. I appreciate that. I don't know. It's like, if you ask me what character is, is, is Vincent D and D, he's always a bard. He wants to be a wizard. He wants to be a wizard, but he's always a bard. Like that's how that works. Okay. Yeah. All right. Fair enough. So yeah, that terminology. Don't know that I could place anything for what army would they be stats, but Tom would be whatever he could be to win. See, Amber, I feel like that is such a stronger answer than what the real question was asking, because that's a hundred percent true. Yes. Tom's, uh, Tom's war scroll stats would change all the time based on whatever the recent general's handbook or errata was. It would just get constantly updated. I mean, you're not wrong. Very nice. Very nice. All right. Okay. Keep going. So ladies, when your husband wins a painting award, what's his reward? Are you happy with it? That's my question. Like I don't like, I don't think I don't even really know that you take notice much. Honestly. Well, it depends on, it's not like I walk in playing. We are the champions. Yeah, no, but I have told him before, like if we, like if we, when we go to Warhammer Fest, which we don't get to go to this year, sadly, but when we do Warhammer Fest, I always tell him, like, so if you lose, so help me God, you cannot be sulky for the rest of the trip. If you take this out on me, it will get ugly and fast. Yeah. It's really the opposite. Yeah. It's you're much more concerned about me losing and being in a bad mood than about me winning anything. That doesn't register. Yeah. No. And it's not like he comes home and he's like, guess what I won. And I'd be like, and what? Right. Sure. Yeah. Tom wins awards in general, not just for painting. Tom is also a good player, a better player than me. Amber, have you ever taken note of the fact that he's won an event or come home with a trophy? Yeah, he won't let anybody not know. I mean, I may, I may actually get my phone out and play. We are the champions when I'm in the house, so my kids can come running and be like, Yay. Just kick open the door and shout DJ Khaled and then just start saying, all I do is win constantly. Yeah. Sure. I mean, that might be, that might be real. Okay. All right. Good stuff. Oh, what are your, lady, what's your favorite alcohol and what are you drinking now? We've already covered what you're drinking now. So favorite alcohol. Jen, depends on the day and what I'm in the mood for. Like I really drink across the board. So yeah, no, I'm a big fan of the gents and luckily, yeah, I'm doing, I'm dealing with that. Sure. Do you like a flight? Oh, Amber walked, she was going to ask her if she likes a flight. She does like a flight. She will often get a sampling of beers. Yeah. She's a big beer fan. I think she, she probably drink to more widely than I do with regard to beer. Like for me, I have like a couple staples. I like a dark lager.  But for her, man, she is, she'll drink just about anything. Well, she does live with you, Tom. So she's can't be picky. I mean, she has reason. She has a warrant for drinking heavily. Sure. So, shout out to skunk12 in the comments who are saying the log of Ulin 16 log of Ulin, obviously the choice of a bronze wants and can never be bad. Yes, absolutely. Great. Nice. Nice. I'm a big fan of, I'm a big fan of Scott, both Scotch and Bourbons. Glenn Fiddick, 15 years, my favorite, although it's been really hard to find recently for some reason. So it makes me sad.  So okay. Next question. Here she comes. Would you be more interested in miniatures if the gentleman were into sci-fi like 40k instead of fantasy AOS? No. Yeah, I couldn't see that becoming a yes answer off of that. Is there any world, Amber, where you could think to yourself, yes, I'd like to sit down and play some kind of miniatures game with Tom. Can you picture a miniatures game you'd want to play with him?  What's that? With Tom? Sure. That's why I'm trying to sketch that out. To see if there's any miniatures in the world, she can even picture that would overcome the negative on the other side of the scale that is you. Hey, we've done Warhammer requests. We've played Warhammer requests before. So I mean, it's not completely. It says more interested. Yeah. Like, is Warhammer the spouses rule in Warhammer? No. No. So it's just in D&D? Yeah. It's just D&D. Yeah. Even though, like, we've never abided by that. That's just Vence's rule. We do spouses in D&D. Which is easier because that's not even just about winning. So that's actually easier for me. The cooperative games actually are what work. It's when she's having to, like, be competitive with me. That's the problem. That said, like, she'd probably play miniatures with our kids. Who might? You'd probably roll vice with Wes or something like that. Yeah. And I'm a picky sci-fi versus fantasy. So at this point, there's not been a fantasy army that, like, super impressive to me. We've looked a couple times. We've looked a couple times, but we haven't really found anything. Adeline locked onto the trees. Sylvaneth and Wes is hopping armies based on what he thinks is really good. Weird, huh? Where he gets that from. No idea. Apple tree, something falling. I don't know. It's just not, I don't know. I have my own interests and it doesn't interest me. I mean, maybe at some point in time it will. You know, the painting interests me, but not, like, the actual thing. So, yeah. The, if somebody asks which Warhammer Silver Tower is the one that we've played a lot of, a lot of. Yeah, it's a very easy, like, very straightforward, cooperative. So, okay. What shenanigans do you get into when the gentlemen are at gaming conventions? I get to do whatever I want while Vince is gone. Amber, not so much. She has the kids and the responsibilities and that whole adult thing. I've gone out with the girls, way too many martinis at PF Changs, and then gone shopping and ended up with things that don't, don't work and don't fit and don't, yeah, no, big return policy there. So we're not doing that again. But, like, just, what the heck was Tom? Thomas spilling stuff everywhere. I just bourbon all over her lap and then joked around about cleaning it up. I'm so sorry, Amber. That trip up north looks real inviting. Yeah, at some point in time, maybe, maybe you need to go to, like, Snuckers headquarters. Maybe there's, like, you have to come to Ohio, right?  That's how it works. Where Debbie said she's not allowed to leave. True. Well, no, I'm interested. Amber, what, what happens when Tom leaves?  Absolutely. Why not? Yeah, I can have shenanigans when he's not around. There you go. It's just quiet, right? Well, it's different. So I mean, I do have the kids and it's a lot of fun because then they, you know, they just have one parent to interact with and I can kind of do things the way I want and that's nice. The one advantage that I also have is I still have friends that, you know, they might be another girlfriend that's closer to me and so we'll go sometimes meet up with their family. Like in Cincinnati, I've got some friends up there. One of our friends have a, like, acre farm. They've got goats, chickens, a few other animals. So we can let the kids go run and play and then I can have a little bit of girls' time. One of your bridesmaids, one of the, you know, one of my bridesmaids from actually a high school friend of mine. So it's still kept in touch. Yeah, there's a few friends around here that I'll, you know, catch up with and then kids can play and we can have a little glass of wine or some downtime. Nice. That's very nice. It is. It just, it looks different and it has to be a little more planned out and it sometimes hits the mark and sometimes we get great conversation and other times we literally referee the whole time and I look at the other one and go, I'm so glad this is your life too. It's true. Vince recently showed off his push-up skills. Does he have any other secret talents, Kathy? So Vince works out every morning. So, I mean, 100 push-ups at a time is not a big thing for him. So he, and he used to, he used to run. He didn't like it, but he ran a lot. So, I mean, if they're trying to get me say something inappropriate, there's nothing, there's nothing to say, but like, you know, that's not what I meant. Sorry, sorry, he has no inappropriate skills. Yeah. Jeez, that hurts. It's not what I meant. No, that's fine. I get it. I understand what you're saying. You told me to keep this PG. Yes, please do. I stand behind what I said. You said I can't get mouthy if I get liquored up. That's, well, we're, yeah, we're gonna have to watch that real close. All right, cool. You know, we can, we can turn that question around, Tom, which is, which is, we can ask Amber what, what secret skills you have that aren't on display here. Go on. Yeah, the secret skills are not so secret when he leaves the house in two different shoes. I'm not exactly sure. There's things that are secret.  So, I don't know. You know, actually, one thing I will give him props for, he is really good about randomly bringing new flowers from the store today included. So, that's nice. I appreciate that.  So yeah, he's good about that.  That's very nice. I literally walked in the door with flowers and a bottle of amaretto. Mm-hmm. And milk. And milk. Hey, that's, those are essentials. They are, they are. Have you watched Tiger King? Was it together? What did you think and did Carol Baskin feed her up? All right, well, we're not going to answer the last question because we're not getting involved in that. That's, that's, that's ongoing investigations that we don't comment on in that thing. I'll leave that to the audience. It's obvious. Sure. Whatever you say. You're just looking at it with a sardine oil. Right. Why would she say that? Why would you say that? You haven't gotten to that part. I haven't gotten to that part. Yes, we watched it together. Yeah, absolutely. How far into it are you guys? Because you, you're watching it together as well. Oh, I watched it separately. Like, most things, this is what happens. I preview something and then I'm like, we should watch this. And then we start watching it. He decides he doesn't want to keep watching you and then he drops it. And so like we are in the middle. I count, I count you not. There's like these 12 shows we've started and never finished. He's finished them because he finished them before we ever started them.  That's cool, Tom. It's cool. Like what, Amber, what do you, what haven't you finished? Like, what haven't you like? We almost made it to the end. We always finish. She might not. You might. Well, clearly in this case, yes. In fact, Tom, you finished and she didn't. But at any rate, what, that's literally the story she's telling. But what series besides Tiger King? We haven't finished Tiger King. Sure. We did, we started We're over halfway through Tiger King. Let me say that. It's seven episodes, Tom. This is a high bar to clear. So when you only have like 15 to 20 minutes to watch TV at night, it is. So and I mean, that is one of our challenges is kids are going to bed a little bit later so they can sleep in a little later. You know, Tom kind of appreciates if they can sleep until 738 o'clock in the morning, I go to bed preferably between 10 and 1030. And I'm up by about five to five 15 in the morning. So our evenings kind of have a short overlap window, especially without kids. And Tiger King is one of those better to watch without kids. But let's see the most of ours are that we're that we're in that group. We started working moms never finished that we started letter cutting never finished that scrubs we started never finished that how much your mother we started never finished that we actually before we had kids we finished Buffy. We finished Angel. We finished all house we finished Serenity. But that was all before kids. Gotcha. So yeah, like everything we start we don't finish now. Yeah, that's kids. Sure. Well, yes, he's still watching on Tom still cheating. But yes, that's good. Poor Amber. So like what I paint, I just put it up on the computer. So there were several like comedy guys that we started that we never finished. There's it let's just go on. It's the genre across the board. It's not like one style. Nice. Yeah. Okay. And I agree with John Nina's just jumped in the chat and Ed said both what did I just walk it on and how did you two land these ladies hashtag out of your league. That's definitely true in both of our cases 100% John that's that's absolutely accurate. Yes. I love you. I love you. I want to win. And I only choose the best. Oh, I see. I don't know what that says about you, Amber. We're gonna leave it. We're just gonna let that lie. Okay. She's the she's a winning ticket. Oh, she is. She absolutely is way above your pay grade. Way like early because he has no job. I mean, she's got a point there. Yes. To be fair, if I had to pay for a nanny, I'd have to spend a lot more. He's got that covered. So it's sort of like a pay raise. No, I agree. Tom is very much like friend rusher. I'm like the most educated nanny you would you could ever hire. I don't know. I bet those au pairs will teach like, you know, French to a kid. Yeah, I could be French. But he doesn't. Nobody has a use for ancient Hebrew. Okay. I could teach Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek or French or German. How about Latin? I love you.  He could. He could is not the problem. Does he? I mean, these are these armies aren't going to paint themselves hanging out with Amber. Sure. I mean, look, we've we've now's the time, Tom. You've got you've got your homeschooling regimen ready to go 9010 Latin 10 to 11 Greek, just hardcore language studies. 11 to 12 art miniature painting lessons. And then and then the rest of the day, French, Spanish, German, yeah, so on checks out. Okay. So returning to the fitness question, how many push-ups do you think your husband can do? Like in a sitting 500, maybe? Sure. I mean, when I was in high school, I did 300 a day every day for football. So I'll say that. If he had to, he would. I mean, you're right. Sure. Also true. This is so good. I'll point out that you're in charge of these questions, Tom.   No, I understand. That's perfectly fair. So what Kathy, what gin pairs best with making fun of Tom? Yeah, Amber's probably got the right call. All of it. Yeah. Yeah. I like all of it. We'll go with that.  Like I've got to really figure out is it grammatically, is it doctor little Tommy Lyons or is it little doctor Tommy Lyons? Because phonetically, like it just like to the ear, what sounds right is probably not what's grammatical. So I've really got to hunker down and reevaluate that. Well, that doctor needs to actually connect with the name. You're not going to put adjectives in between there. So it would be little doctor Tommy Lyons. Yeah, but doesn't that sound weirder? It doesn't sound right. But that's what's grammatically syntactically appropriate. Maybe you could just have it be doctor doctor. So you know, sometimes people will have obviously lots of, you can have sort of suffixes on your name, Esquire and such, your legal rights, ESQ. So maybe Tom can just have doctor, Dr. Thomas Lyons comma LTL. Little Tommy Lyons LTL. Isn't in some languages like Greek, you can actually move where the adjective is and based on how you end it, it refers to the what noun you're talking about. Yeah, there's there's four positions for adjectives in Greek. You paid attention. Congratulations. This is more than nine years ago when I audited a course. It's true. And you pay attention. So yes, there are four positions. They could actually, yeah, I'm not going to go into Greek. Thank you. Thank you. Good. All right. Good stuff. Go back to the gin conversation, Kathy. So I, we went to a concert back in September, no, January. And it feels that long ago that it was September, but it was back in January. And they were doing a gin and orange juice. And that was the one of the first times that I had gin and I was like, I can do this. So now we just have to buy gin and I've got orange juice almost all the time. So I'm going to start adding that one to my repertoire. We were drinking gin and juice. Can you, can you imagine where we might have been? Can you guess whose concert we were at? Okay. Here we go. So spouses, somebody relates that they say, my wife tolerates the hobby from a distance and has purchased models for me and will sometimes help with things like color or posing choices, but otherwise just eye rolls. I want to say thank you. How can I do so? Thank you to his spouse. How can I do so in a hobby, in a hobby way that warms her to the hobby at the same time? So you're asking to, to restate this question for the spouses. Let me just see if I got this right. The question is, how can I do something hobby related to trick my wife by like, I'm being nice to her, but I'm sneaking in this, like this trap. That's what you're asking, right? Yeah, that checks out. So for me, it was Dungeons and Doggos. So I like dogs a lot.  So anyway, so the Dungeons and Doggos is my first kind of real, okay, I'm committing to painting these kind of a thing. So that was, that was for me. But other than that, it wasn't really like most of, most of the thank yous that Vince gives me for, for like getting him things that he wants, it's stuff I like. So it's not like hobby related necessarily. It's more like, you know, a gift card for, you know, I love a certain type of card stock. So he'll get me like a gift card for like, you know, stamping off or something like that, because it's specific card stock that I like. So first, it's for the hobby that you like. The stuff that I like, yes. Right. I like that example of Dungeons and Doggos. And I would say something similar, like, I'm probably just due to time commitment and priorities, not able to work towards more involvement in the hobby of miniatures. But at a cursory level, we can find a meeting ground, like when we play a game. Yeah. And that, the other thing that's fun with that is sometimes we can play with some of our friends or other, you know, groups of people or hopefully with our kids. All right. Yeah. And like when we do that, I try to like paint her miniatures too. So like that she would have like painted, like when we had D&D, like always like find miniatures for you for your characters and stuff. Yeah, he would find. Yeah, he'd give me different choices in miniatures. And I can say, I like that one better than that one. Yeah. Okay. That's because he had a plethora of miniatures to choose from too. I mean, that checks out. And they were put in for needing to get more miniatures. Okay. So you have the next question. The next question. Let's see. Does Vince wear the same apron to cook as well as paint? Does he name any dishes after paint names? Vince is not allowed in my kitchen. Vince does not cook. I occasionally grill. And then I don't really wear this apron when I'm out there. No. And he has a couple different aprons. Like he doesn't have like he's got the green one. He's got the tan one. He's got a black one. But yeah, no, he doesn't. He stays out of my kitchen. I don't. Most of the time it's because he's in my way. So. So how does he, Vince, how do you decide which apron to wear? Is it based on what's clean? That's a good question because I don't know the answer to that. Sure. So, I mean, it's, I generally will stick with one for a while.  So they went. Like Tom's pyjama pants. Apparently, yes. Like Tom's pyjama pants. So then also. Hey, you're not allowed to laugh. Sorry, we have a nine year old over here who's just giggling. Here, can you take that up to Nate? Your daughter's, or I think that was your daughter laughing is what it sounded like. She's got your number, Tom, clearly. Your twins are smart. They're going to do just fine in life. I'm sure of that. They will. They will indeed. So the, yeah. So obviously conventions, I always bring the green one because the green one's sort of my traditional convention uniform, but I'll switch between just, you know, go back and forth. There's no, there's no method to it. Fair enough. I figured you had a bunch. Wonder why. I like this one because it says if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer. And so, you know, that's, that's nice for the show. That's all. Should I get you a different one? Like I bought all the ones for him, by the way, that are, that are in, No, I mean, this one's getting close because during the, if everybody can see this horrendous stain, obviously you two can't, but everybody else on the show can. During the 24 hour paintathon this last weekend, I was like rushing and doing stuff really quick because it's, you know, you're fast, fast, fast. You got to work fast, fast, fast. And I tipped an entire full bottle of agraxer shade over into my, uh, in the middle of it at like hour 16, into my lap. So because I had the apron, it all just spilled and pooled in the center of the apron. Nothing got into my pants. What's that? You pour it back in the bottle. No, I couldn't, it soaked in by that point basically. It was too late. I just wiped it up and then moved on. Got a new bottle of agrax and kept going. So there you go. No time to waste. Literally just wipe, wipe, dab up, trash, new one, go. Time to work. So do you want another, it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer? No, I'm fine with it. Okay. So here we go. Next question. So I got to keep this moving. Sure. We have Amber for exactly 90 minutes. No, that's fine. Um, so where are we at?  Let's refer back to the, he's in charge of work kids all day. Sure. Every day. So no, he does not get out of any chores. Well, I want to ask that. Can I ask a follow-up question to that that somebody just put in the chat, Amber? Yes, please. Which is, so how hard is it to have your husband, you know, when he was doing the PhD work? Was that, was that also hard on you? Because the Jesse said, I know when my, when I earned my PhD, it was very tough on his then girlfriend. Yes. Okay. We've been at this for 12 years and our twins are nine.  We've been at full-time education for over a decade. Not an easy, not an easy journey. He's done for anything further until he has a job. There you go. Then if he wants any additional learning, hey, that's fine. Do whatever you like on, on, on your time where you can fit it in assuming the kids are still taken care of. Yeah.  He's had plenty of time. He's out of his time. He used a lifetime of his time in eight or 10 years or whatever he has. Apparently. That's what's happened. Okay. Here we go. So how are you both do, how are you both dealing with the whole COVID-19 situation? I'm assuming this is aimed at Amber and Kathy. Are you getting on each other's nerves or is Vince just simply always on your nerves? Okay. So I guess this is wives. How are you dealing with your husbands? Yeah. Go ahead. You guys go first. Or I think it's both like, Tom, how are you dealing with the COVID and how am I dealing with it and are we getting on each other's nerves? I did not anticipate having to summer to arrive so quickly. And what I mean by that is like having the kids here 24-7, all four of them, because like I had plans through May to have like two kids per day and one on some days. And now I have all four every day all day. I don't really have an opportunity to get on Amber's nerves because like either, most days recently, she's like, she, you're working, you know, like you're, you are essential. And so, and so it's just me and the kids.  I'm not going to lie. And he's thankful. He runs out of the house with mismatched shoes when he gets a chance. Sure. I mean, checks out. We need milk. I'm going, got it. I'll be back four hours later. Do you have a mask on when you go? You, you wearing a mask, Tom? I have. I have an in, I've been in 95. Compliant mask for bare brushing. Yeah. For bare brushing. That's exactly right. Same. Same. That really came in handy. Boy, having nothing around didn't think that'd be a sudden. She was like, are you going to wear a mask? I said, oh, I got a mask. And she goes, where do you have a mask? How do you get a mask? Did you pick up a mask? I said, so I had one downstairs. I think I'm actually going down there. Yeah. One. Apparently our basement's ready for the apocalypse. We've got masks and we've got peanut butter.  And so on the other half of it, you know, Tom's at the point and he's thankful to get out of the house and I don't blame him. I'm out of the house most days. We still, I, you know, I still work at a plant that's made, that's running 24 seven. And I still deal with four teams that are working around the clock. So we have a lot to handle and how are we implementing all the CDC and COVID-19 measures on top of still having, you know, production and having a high demand with people who are consuming peanut butter at home and utilizing it now for their kids in their house at a higher rate than they were before. So it's not a really busy and hectic at work. So by the time I'm done with a full day at work and like the stresses of, you know, we've got a bunch of people working remotely. We're still trying to do a lot of production. We're still trying to implement all the safety measures. By the time I come home, I am thankful to be home. So we're doing pretty well with it. But I think in some sense it's felt a little surreal for us because, you know, we have it. We both have very different takes on it. Sure. Very different sides of it. Oh yeah. It's true. I've enjoyed it honestly. I'm not going to lie just as an aside because like none of our kids have soccer. Right now normally we have like four nights a week with like extracurricular activities amongst all our kids. And right now like it's just like hanging out with the family. It's so nice to just hang out. The kids help me make dinner in the kitchen. They'll help me bake cookies. We'll go outside and they've been doing charades on the back deck after dinner. And I kid you not, it's hilarious. So we've been, we've done unicorns. We've done jellyfish. We've done hostages, not just a wolf. My three year old goes, oh, and I was like, it's a wolf. He goes, no mommy, a werewolf. So it has been, like it's really just been a very rewarding time for our family. And so I've enjoyed that part of it because like Tom said, you know, every day of the week we basically are going to one or two different things plus activities at school and extracurriculars and clubs and practices. Cubs doubts. Cubs doubts and viola lessons. And the list just goes on that it's exhausting. Yep. So it's kind of been a nice reprieve actually. Sure. And I can see that. I thought about that actually, like this occurred to me obviously because someone doesn't have kids, but I was like, wow, I wonder if families right now and the way you're all kind of people who have kids and you're kind of basically stuck basically being with them most of the time feels more like what it would have been like to be in a family unit, say a century ago, right? Or any other previous time in history.  And that was kind of just how life was. It's quite, quite.  I mean, I think a week or two from now my daughter's going to be doing all the laundry and making pancakes and crepes for breakfast and it's going to be just wonderful. It's true. So, yeah, that's been good. It's also helped us start clearing out some stuff in our fridge and pantry. Hence the reason I found some old sour mix. So, yeah. Nice. How about yourselves? So it's really no different for events. Except he doesn't have travel because he's, he always has worked from home. So for like the past, what, six years? Six, seven years? Six plus years, yeah. And so it's, I'm going a little sure crazy. It's hard to keep a team engaged as a manager and we're, we deployed, you know, 35,000 associates in three days to remote location, you know. And so that was, that was big. And I'm, that's, that's not my team. My team is 10. So I'm just a little, little small fish. But it's, it's, it's interesting to see that kind of come together and keep everybody kind of focused. And it's, it's hard. I begged Vince on Monday to just take a drive. So we just went for a drive because I just needed to get out of the house because it had been, you know, four weeks at that point. And I was just like, I got it out of here. So, yeah. Didn't get out, didn't interact with anybody, just literally driving in the car around. We just drove around the, yeah, drove around the neighborhood or whatever. So it was just nice. But yeah, so. We went to like an outdoor sculpture, like park where like not really many people know about it. And it's like free and it was awesome. It was great. I think it was a bunch of weird modern art stuff and we just walked around for an afternoon and. Had a picnic lunch out there. Yeah.  But and for anyone else that has to still be traveling, I love that there is no rush hour. Yeah. That's I do like the commute home amber if from like from my office to the kitchen is there's, you know, very little traffic there. So I don't know what it's going to be like going back. Nice. I have nothing to add to this. My life has changed in a remarkably little way. This is this is but this was my life before.  Now it has changed about one percent. The only change I can record is that now once a week, I can't get the nachos that I normally order from the restaurant that I like to go to because they took that off of their limited menu. So yeah, I know it's really shame. That's it. Everything else of my life has changed. I work more than I did for everything that I would do is basically sitting at this desk right now. So a call out to affirm that for both you and Tom within that small percentage that changed, it's not getting to go to a depth of con and some of those other things that were planned and things that you guys had looked forward to. And it's still worth recognizing that. Invents had probably poured over a thousand hours in preparing miniatures for sure. But there'll be future years. There'll be future things. So yeah. Yes. I really miss like if there's anything, you're absolutely right Amber. It's a good point. What I do miss from those events is it's good. It's great to be able to hang out with everybody here. It's great to be able to hang everybody like this. And I've been doing hangouts with folks and stuff like that, as I'm sure many of us have. But, you know, I miss seeing everybody in person. That is that is the thing I miss from the convention more than anything. Like that's a lot of fun. So that's a shame. There you go. When you make peanut butter sandwiches, do you do two thin coats of peanut butter or one big thick like lather of peanut butter? Depends which kid I'm making it for. Okay. Nice. So. Let me check that. Yeah. And there's like some of them want cut it in quarters. Some of them want cut it into diagonal. They want different jellies. What Nate wanted me to make him a peanut butter and jelly a couple hours ago. That didn't happen. That didn't happen. I just remembered it now. I did preset him up with chocolate milk. So refer back to why we need so much milk. Got it. Yeah. You can't have you can't have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without a glass of milk. Yep. I think for me, I actually prefer for, well, I have peanut butter a lot. So and I mostly just eat it by the spoonful. But if I'm going to make it, I usually do it like a Ritz cracker. I'll put some peanut butter in a little dollop of jelly. And that's how I like it. That's my preferred way. But most of the time it's just by the spoonful. Gotcha. So, so, so Amber, is it using a palette? She's going straight from the pot. She's just straight from the pot painter with a peanut butter. Very much. So and a call out actually to anybody from Canada. My favorite peanut butter that Jeff makes, well, one of my favorite ones that Jeff makes is actually the dark roast up in Canada. And so not very often do I get to say that. But yeah, anybody up there, try it out. It is delicious. Can we not get that down here? Yep. And it's fun. It's in a little 500 gram and a 1kg jar. So it's in different sizes for their standards. Yeah. And then everything's in English and in French. And, but it's a really good flavor. So nice shout out. It's okay. Well, I like it. I like the cinnamon peanut butter a lot better. I do, but that's not peanut butter. That's like dessert on the spoon. Yeah, we do. And let's just continue. You do realize all this we're talking about for Vince is just cans of death, right? Yeah, I know. It's the best part about it. Yeah. For those of you who don't know, deathly allergic to peanuts. Yeah, correct. That was our UPS delivery guy when I offered him peanut butter today. Nice. I said, thanks for peanut butter. He's like, yeah, no thanks. I would prefer to keep breathing. I'm all right. But I appreciate the offer. It's very nice. So my wife, in some, is a death merchant from Vince's perspective. From my perspective, yes, correct. That's right. But it's not to many children and others. No, happiness, happiness. Yes, indeed, indeed. So there's so many questions about Vince's boots. This is a popular thing, apparently. I wear Doc Martens. I own one pair of shoes. They're the only pair of shoes I wear. I wear them every day from morning till night. I don't take them off for any occasion. I would wear them to anything. If he's going to run, he does have a pair of sneakers, okay, or Tata shoes or trainers or whatever you want to talk. Like he has one pair of those. Yeah, those are just not there. But they're only for running. It's only for running. And mowing the grass, if he had to do that. Something like that, yeah. Um, so next question. In the famous, invoking the famous Titanic. Okay. Have Tom or Vince ever, quote, painted you? There's, no, I can't speak for Tom, but Vince is not a realistic painter. Like he wouldn't be like, gonna sit down and I'm gonna paint this fate. No, no. No, thank you. No, and you would have purple skin. No deviation on that. There's no painted lady thing either. So I'm not like going nude and having him paint me either. No, thank you. Next. Purples and teals. That's what you did at that cafe. That's right. I don't remember wearing alloration was that shade of pink. I mean, I know I'm fair, but come on. They don't look female dwarves, so I'm safe. Oh, Amber. I think Tom knows how to paint. That's all he can do. So yeah, there you go. Apparently.  She does keep asking me if they've made female dwarves yet. Like that is a, that is a real sticking point for my wife, by the way. Like she's like, yeah, I'll do war, Amber. Do they have female dwarves? I'm like, no. And she's like, nope. I'm not interested. I'm not interested. I like your dwarf storyline. Like I like the way they've designed that and I like the way it looks and it's got enough strong features and I think it's got enough soft features in it. I find it a good blend visually, but they don't have any females. So not to get, I don't know. Just does the thing here. So Bad Squidow Games, which is run by Annie, who is awesome. She has a whole range of realistic female warriors and stuff from throughout history. And I think she also has other, like, I think she has female dwarves and female elves and all that kind of stuff and just like traditional female Viking warriors and things like that. So Tom, I'm pretty sure she has a range of female dwarves, if I remember right, that are pretty good. I will have to check it out. I don't think it's going to change anything, but I'll have to check it out. Yeah. So, so there are options out there. Don't let him give you that answer, Amber. There's, there's options out there. Well, I mean, read perhaps a couple of female dwarves. Like we, we own those, we own those models for like your last Indie character. So, but yeah, as for our warrior armies, those just don't exist.  There's another product line. You have another customer right here, female dwarves. One, one customer. Sometimes all it takes is one customer to spark a great idea. Hey, I'll bet there are more customers that would buy female dwarves. Absolutely. Cool. Okay. So here's a nice contentious question. How do you come to agreement on the amount of money your husband can spend on hobbies in a given amount of time? And I know the answer to both of these questions, which is going to be hilarious. Vince and Kathy, go. No, if you know the answer to both of us, let's go. Let's hear your take on this, Tom.  I'll let you guys do that. Go ahead. That's fine. We have completely separate finances, so neither of us has any oversight over what the other spends on money. So, so let's, let's kind of put some caveats in there. We're both fairly responsible. Yes. We both. I am very cheap. That's another way to say that. Vince is very frugal. I am not. I get Vince to, like we have separate bank accounts. We pool resources at the end of every month. We used to settle up at the end of every month and whoever spent more, like I would, he would pay for like the mortgage and I would do all the, you know, household and the groceries and all of that. And then we'd settle up at the end of every month and we just sort of, you know, we're both making the same amount because, you know, unlike Tom, I have a job. But so. I have jobs. Sorry, Tom. One that pays. So, and so, come on, little Tommy lions. You know, I got to dig. You know, I got to dig at you. You know, so we just kind of kept it that way. I don't want to, I don't like kind of micromanage Vince and he doesn't micromanage me. I mean, for God's sakes, I came back from Vegas with a pair of the most ostentatious and probably Vince would dare say ugly Gucci shoes. And he doesn't know how much they were obscene. Sure. So there you go. Man, easy. I know what Tom's answer is here as well. So, I mean, if you guys want to go ahead. Amber. So early on before we had kids, Tom and I both had kind of a monthly allotment our income in. Of fun money. Of fun money.  And so that was how it kind of started in the beginning. Since having kids and one income and school expenses, it pretty much became a, you figure out how to get your own money. And then whatever you can keep reinvesting, you can use. So he has in his very entrepreneurial winning manner, figured out ways to continue his gaming hobby. We have at times like used some of our family funds for like kick starters, things like that, that have turned around and, you know, and then I like pay back into our family budget. Right. And then it gives him a little bit more head start. Right. So the answer is, is that at this point, I'm completely independent and self-sufficient with regard to my hobby in gaming. And so my hobby expenses don't touch our family budget at all. And likewise, our family budget does not take into account any of my hobby expenses. And so I fund all of my hobby by, well, a lot of it has been kickstarter funding.  A lot of money. I also sell, no, I don't raise or treat productions, I don't sell drugs, unless you take into account Warhammer miniatures. Sure. And then I sell plastic crack. Yeah, I mean, the reality is, is that for a long time, I was buying and reselling Warhammer arms, like a significant amount. So I would buy like large, like $500,000 armies and then parse them out. And I don't know that I've ever not doubled my money on those parts.  I think the best I've ever done is making 10 times my investment. Keeping on this, you have to have time. Right. Oh yeah, that's, that's a good point. Well, I mean, for you to be able to do that, like if you can fund, fully fund your hobby, like that's, and that's what Vince does with the painting, right? Like fully, if you could fully fund the hobby, that's amazing. I don't know, I guess I'm, you guys don't seem to argue about that at all, right? Like it's not, is it, is it time constraints that you have to, that you, that becomes an obstacle for a while? Yeah, yeah, like time is the thing that we have to negotiate around. But for me, the reality is, especially even with the reselling, I don't do as much of it anymore. But once it's posted on eBay, I don't ever touch it. So like as soon as I get it up, like I just leave it for a month or two months or whatever, I don't do auctions. So I do all, like buy it now, like buy it now or make me an offer. And so I don't, there's no micromanaging. And there was always a post office on the way to and from my school. So like it was just part of my daily routine was swinging by the post office whenever I had stuff to drop it. And so it's, and we buy enough on Amazon that I just use all my Amazon boxes to ship all of my actual, like miniature purchases in general. So it's not ever been a, like, so a lot of the like micromanaging stuff just hasn't ever needed to happen. Like it just, it's been very natural. But you have to have a working knowledge of the market before you can just kind of like fly by the city or fans like that. So, but yeah, so I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, at this point, like it's become self-sufficient and like, some of the folks that follow me on Twitter, they've seen that like I posted some stuff this week. And I sold off a bunch of like old models and stuff like that, that I didn't have plans for anymore or stuff like that. And now I have my nest egg for my next army. So when Lumineth drops, I'll be able to buy everything. And yeah, so. Yeah, I would like to point out that that conversation of Tom selling stuff started when he said, you know, I really need to figure out a way to have everyone to fund this new army. And I said, Tom, why don't you sell some stuff that you've got? And he's like, I don't have anything to sell. And I said, Tom, that is a bold face lie.  And he came back the next day and he was like, I got a lot of stuff to sell. I was like, yeah, I thought so. Yep. And so now I have enough to buy a new army. So, yeah, so, yeah, I, that's how we deal with budget for around hobby is that it basically doesn't touch. Amber's given me the freedom to manage that aspect of my, but my own budget. As long as it stays separate and never touches our family budget. Sure. So, yeah. Our family, you know, and then what I make is what takes care of household. So it just... No, it's not that I keep all like, now let me offer an apologetic for myself. I also use that money that I make all, often like occasionally for gifts and stuff like that. Like I'll buy stuff for the kids. I bought a camera a year ago, you know, a couple of years back, like a nice camera for the family and stuff like that. So like I don't only use that for, like when I have, I don't only use that for myself, my hobby monies, but oftentimes that's like, that's what it goes to. So. Nice. Yeah. So that's how we handle it. So the answer for both of us is that we keep our money completely separate from our spouses. Yes. Not hidden. Not hidden. Not hidden, yeah. Not hidden, just separate. And so they don't have to think about it and they don't have to feel the pressure of us spending because they know any spending that we do is out of a budget that, that is, you know, in a sense, on one hand is off limits. And in a sense, in other sense, it's not, they don't have to worry about. Yeah. I don't, I don't have to worry and Amber doesn't have to worry. And maybe Amber, I'll correct this, but I don't have to worry that like Vince is buying a new army or a new army drops and he's going out to get something. I don't have to worry about like house payments, mortgage, car insurance, life insurance, things like that. Like I don't have to worry about like the, like that stuff that comes off the top first, right? Like that's, that's already done. And then it's the other stuff. This is the fun stuff. So yeah. And that's pretty much the same for us. I mean, for me, I work not all those, but they only have one solution. So his gaming is a small enough amount that it just kind of kind of reinvest. And the other, the other thing too, oh, sorry, I'm going to talk over you. The other thing too is, I think Amber and I are both very, I can't put this delicately. Self-possessed. Is that what you're going for? Yeah, we'll go with that. We're going to go with that. That we, we basically would come to you and be like, and then this is how I handled our umbrella policy for our house, was just like, here, sign this. You know, this is life insurance. Here, sign this. This is our new, like here, sign this. Like it's not, like we just take care of it.  This is the decision. This is the right thing to do. This is what we should do. So on that, so what you're saying is, if I could translate there is, if I suddenly disappear and a will shows up that says in the event of death or disappeared. This is Vince. Yeah, correct. So that definitely, so you should be investigating my wife. Oh, no, no, no. Even if I sign to the document. No, no, no, no, no, no. Select the meat grinder and check, and check the dog dishes for the, the golden chevrons. Absolutely. Just remember, Tom, that if you want to be a witness, you can take whatever you want out of the spacement. Before anybody else. Noted. So as long as you cooperate, sure you're taking care of Capiche. Yeah, I got it. Got it. Okay. I got, I got your back. Happy. Thank you. A little morbid there. Sorry guys. Okay. What we got next? Coming down here. What is your favorite thing to do while Tom and Vince do their show? Like when we do recording, ladies, what are your favorite things to do? I trolled Tom. I mean, she does. It's true. That makes me smile. Sorry, Amber. I channel you. Thank you. I sleep. That's a, that's a great thing to do. I see no issue with that. All right. If it's early enough, I may catch up with a friend on the phone for a couple of minutes and then I cook. It's true. Why the hell did you marry in certain name here? I think this is, yeah, this is over to you two. Amber, you want to kick us off? Why did you marry me? Has anyone told you that we started our, our relationship basically with two and a half years at distance? Sure. We were in the same town for three months. Of our two and a half years. Sure. No, there's a lot of qualities. And I, I mean, Tom's very gregarious. He's very fun loving. He's very strategic. There's a lot of things about Tom. A very magnanimous personality. And those are all very attractive things. So he's got a lot of, a lot of capabilities and a lot of strengths. And there's a lot that I do admire about him. Being married to him, I've also learned the realities of life too. And so we've grown over time. He's learned a lot about me. And I'm not all that he thought I was going to be when he got married. So we've kind of learned those differences and have had to evolve. And marriage isn't easy. So we have, there's a lot to talk about. And there's a lot of learning of what's negotiable, what's non-negotiable, what do we like and why. And then you had kids on the mix and two very different schedules. And so it's not always been the easiest path, but it's still a good one. Yeah, 15 years. Going on. So Tom, what did you marry Vince? I don't know. I just, I was a young poppin. He just took me under his wing. It was very much like that. Yeah. I had some tigers and brought him over. I don't know what it was. I mean, I have to say no. I think they know the tigers. That's right. Right. Lions? Yeah, exactly. What about you, dear? Why did you marry me? You made me laugh mostly at myself, which is hard to do. So yeah, I'll go that. Okay, I'll stick with that for now. All right, fair enough. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think I've had too much gin to wax Pope, too poetic. So there you go. Okay, got it. Can I insert a quick question from Paul that he asked in the comments here? Sure. Will either of the wives let their husbands cut their hair during the quarantine? I'll answer for you for this side of the equation. There is not a way in any way, shape, or form in any world, heaven or hell, this side or the other, imagining or area or otherwise, that I would ever cut her hair or get near it. So no, that's definitely hard. No, I cut my own hairs. It doesn't matter. Stand up. Stand up. Turn around. Do you think anybody's cutting this? Do you think I know how to cut hair? No. I tried giving our dog soon, our childhood dog, racing stripes with a razor when I was so in junior high. And then I should not be a hairdresser. So I'm not a hairdresser. In two months, I swear over six months for that four dogs hair to finally grow back out. My mom was livid. I could practice on the dogs. No, they're so pretty. I don't want to practice on the dogs. I cut my own hair. And I mean, I don't mind being shaggy, so it's not the end of the world. Sure. You want to do one more question, Tom, and then we'll wrap it up as we're about to come to our 90 minutes. What do you got for a last good question? Everybody loves the dogs. How about this one? Who picked your children's names, either children or dogs? Sure, sure. That's close as I'm going to get, and that's fine. Yeah, no, that is a good question. So, Tom, you've got four kids. Where did their names? Yes, yes, absolutely correct. Yeah, how'd you choose your names? The first two are twins, boy girl twins, and we had a ton of fun. One is here. One's here. Come join us. You got to scoot all the way over. That's where the camera is. You'll jump in just a minute. This is our eldest by 10 minutes for a younger brother. And we had a ton of fun as twins of coming up with just Luke and Leia, just funny names. Which they're mad about, by the way, at this point, that we didn't go with Luke and Leia. So, but Tom always wanted a very formal name that could be shortened, so something where they had, they could be called either a nickname or a more formal name. And then we also had, we also always had the rule that anyone could have veto rights. So if you just said, I don't like it, you veto it and it's off the table. And so then we just went back and forth. Most of ours have come from having backgrounds with characters and shows we like. So Tom really liked Princess Bride, kind of who doesn't. So Wesley was from Princess Bride, and he was also going to a Westlands Seminary. And then that could be shortened to West. So that felt pretty congruent, all things aligned on it. And then we liked the name Adele from Dollhouse, but we wanted something that was a little longer. And my mother's name is Linda. We did Adele Lynn. So we called the Lynn from Linda. And we call her Adele or Dell oftentimes. Yep, she's Adele or Adele or Dell. Yeah, that was our first two. Jonathan, I don't know how we got Jonathan. We liked the nickname, Johnna. We liked the nickname, Johnna, right? And so we started with Johnna and then we went to like the longer Jonathan. And then we got his middle name Alexander when I was at a fast food restaurant on the way to the hospital. It hit me because we had talked about Xander at one point in time. Casper. Casper, you wanted Casper. I didn't want Casper. I thought it was a fun friendly to ghost. Right. And then with Tori, do you want to call Tori's Tori? Yeah, so Tori is our daughter. She was born 13 months after Jonathan. And Jonathan was alive for about 12 weeks before he passed away. So we got pregnant with Tori within about four weeks. Dog on right after. Yep, dog on right after. That's right. And so we found out it was a little girl. And Tom's mom's name is Victoria. And we've always liked the name Tori. My mom's name is Linda, but she goes by Lynn. So we did Victoria Lynn. So that's actually got her name. And it felt appropriate given the Latin root of Victoria given the like the loss having, you know, victory. Yeah. And just kind of that coming back to, you know, letting our family grow again. Yep. And then Nate. Nathaniel is his name. Yep, Nathaniel or Nate. You're not allowed on camera. You don't have clothes. Oh, my God. He's a boy. Hi. He can. There we go, buddy. And Nate, how did we come up with this? Nathaniel means gift of God. And so when we decided to have another child, we realized that, you know, it's a 50-50 chance girl or boy. And what we really did want to add another boy to the family if we had a choice of matter. So when we found out that he was a boy, it was just kind of that kind of thank you for the gift from God and wanted to honor that with his name. And then we call him Nate or Nathaniel. And then his middle name is David. So he's Nathaniel David. And in the Bible, David is Jonathan's best friend. So we had that. Nice. There you go. That's very nice. There's no way that we're going to follow that up with anything even remotely interesting with dog names. Doggy, tell us about your dogs. We did Bella. Not Bella. They're dogs. No, we did our kids. They get to do their dogs. Oh, sure. That's how it works, yes. I'll do Bella. I'll do our dogs. We named them after money originally. Penny, Lira. No, no. Well, yeah. Originally we've always named, I had always named dogs after color. So I have Chivis. It was named after a Scotch. And then Penny, she was Penny. I don't know. She's just Penny. And then we have Lira. Telling currency. And then we adopted Aspen. Aspen came with her name. Yep. So she was the one who was up in my lab, Aspen. Why I'm all covered in fur now. And that's it. And the dogs can be naked on camera. So we don't have to worry too much about that. That is true. All right. Well, there we go. I know we've reached our time. Amber, thank you so much. Thank you, Vince. I really do appreciate you being mindful and respectful of my evening schedule. And she never needs to go back. I'm going to bed. 100%. I understand you get up in an hour that would literally make me weep and cry. So you are made of sterner stuff than me, Amber. There are moments when I get up at like four or five in the morning and for any of you that do, like, I just don't think that's a friendly hour, whether you're a morning person or a night owl. It is just tough time to start the day. But yeah. Unimaginable. So thank you, Kathy. Thank you very much. This was fun. Thank you all for this. We will have you both back again. I am sure for all of you out there watching, thank you very much. Remember to hit like. Show our wives that you enjoyed this show. Hit the like button. You can press it. It's right down there. You can see it. It's over there somewhere. I don't know. Press it. Click that button. Otherwise they'll feel bad. You don't want them to feel bad. That would be very mean if you didn't hit like. You would literally be not liking this show and making our wives feel bad. And that would be terrible. Oh my gosh. How would you do that to them? Stop it. That's so mean. Stop it. I wouldn't try to answer the questions. So, but at any rate, thank you all very much. I really appreciate you watching. As always, stay safe out there. And we'll see you next Wednesday. Bye-bye.


Well, when we come to you at 2 p.m., we're off 2.6% on the S&P's Nasdaq down 3.7%, Dow down 2%, Russell off 2 and almost 6 tenths. Crude is up 4% and gold is down 6.6%. Let's give it 0.66%, so man, not quite 3 quarters, 5 eighths, something like that. Of course, we continue to look at a market that is headline driven. The headlines, as we said yesterday, going into a fund buying being over, this morning we had some jobs numbers and those, while you would think, would probably just came in line as everybody expected. Some of the other numbers in there, people were scratching their heads at, and that was that even though we've got record low unemployment levels, we still are over a million jobs short of pre-pandemic levels. So they're thinking that not everything's adding up. I think a lot of people have some other ideas about what's happening in the economy. Looking to look at what some of our hosts talk about sometimes, and that is money coming from other countries, I'm interested to see what happens on Monday when Golden Week is over, whether or not anybody from China starts coming back into U.S. markets. But man, I think I watched the most brutal session of Bloomberg at about 2.30 this morning, maybe 3 o'clock. I think a dumpster fire would be all about a one on the 10 scale that they were at last night in talking, at least in the Far East and Europe about the United States. They are at least the hosts and most of the guests, pretty bleak. Anyway, we had AMD with early pre-announcement, we'll talk about this and more in the show following in a minute.