Good evening. I'd like to call the Thursday, February 21st Select Board meeting regular scheduled select board meeting to order I'm Brad Towns my fire right fire laughter speak Kelly Wayne Lambert into my right Jeremy Hansen Angelina Capron Also with us is Dana Hadley and our treasured Diane Isabel Additions of changes to the agenda Dana. Yes, I'd like to add ask the liquor board to convene Please That's all Treasures report right here. Okay. Oh wait a minute my mistake public comment Hearing none now that Okay, I've given the select for the January trial balance budget status report and delinquent tax report a Program that we're in I don't know if you're aware of it or not Is the asset forfeiture program through the DEA? Department of Justice that the police are involved in and in July we started using them And I'm the one that has to be the administrator because I'm the treasurer So what I do is I set up the police the ones that can report into the system and then they report and they get asked questions whether by the Department of Justice and We can get money back from that So what we've done so far is we've had three different incidents that we've been able to use this on and we have a total right now That we've claimed a 14,000 989 87 of which we can get 80 percent of it So we're looking at getting back about 11,000 989, you know approximately they might have issues where I might get a little bit less However, we've started getting the money in we started a program in July and February is when we started getting the money Okay, so we've gotten one so far so I want to make you aware that you know that is working way supposed to be working but You know, sometimes just I have some questions on it. I've never done this before So I am asking the auditor about some of the items that I might have to because I know I have to set up separate Revenue accounts and expenditure accounts for what I wanted to make you aware of a select board is some of the One of the rules that they have here and this is from the you know from the DEA And it says ensure the law enforcement agency head or designee Authorizes all expenditures from the sharing accounts and then on top of that to obtain approval for expenditures From the governing body such as the town council So just to make you aware when chief wolf has expenditures that he wants to expend Then have to bring them here and get approval from you So I wanted to make you aware that that should be happening when he starts making the expenditures I'm also going to have the chief come in and talk to you directly rather than This is very specific very specific what you do and I want to make sure we're always in compliance and these are funds from Drug arrests and things like that. Yes. Yeah So there are rules as to what you can spend them on There there are but they're they're vague. They tend to be vague in this explanation So I just want to make certain that we're all very comfortable with they are like I say Also ask the auditors to try to give us some help if they can just want to make sure that we are completely in compliance at all I think we really need to have a formal Program on it. Yeah, it's tricky. Yeah, well, it's the federal government as well Yeah, yeah, and is this police revenue that we budgeted for or is this Soviet additions is totally separate. You never know what you're gonna get on these are drug seizures so Does it does give you any? Thing on what the money can be used for or just has to be for law enforcement or I Think it had I think it has to be for law enforcement is really vague And that's why I'm looking for maybe to find more information. That's a little more Detailed, that's all I got Okay, let us receive regarding opposition snowmobile ordinance now Yes And can see her and we received two letters one from and I've sent it to you in your packet As you know, you did the ordinance on January 3rd and by law we printed in the paper that What had happened and that people who had objections Could either Go through the referendum procedure the permissive rest referendum, which is getting 5% of the voters of the town a petition to have a special town we need to vote on the ordinance or The other thing that I suggested to Ken was for him to write you letters, which there were two letters One was from Ken and one was from Corey. Is that your son? Yeah. Yeah And and Ken wanted to have an opportunity to talk to you about the snowmobile ordinance Well, basically I can see no upside to allow the snowmobiles to use that portion of the road one. I believe it's a safety hazard Anywhere snowmobile goes out in the road they are an uninsured vehicle the sharing the road or Technically going on the same road as insured vehicles are if an accident should occur and have that narrow bridge out here Which is Well, I see a lot of the times just because of water puddles right on the edges of that Snowmobiles certainly will improve that situation. I can see absolutely no upside To the town of early in or me as a taxpayer by allowing them to use that portion of the road second off, where are they gonna go from that point their The original notice that was posted they wanted to go up around Black Road and down Brookfield Road Which One understand they did not get clearance to do that but at my Fear is it's like eating an elephant. You take it one small bite at a time Next year they're gonna come back before the same board and say well We'd like to fish in the board to use sections of Black Road or a Brookfield Road There is no way they can go anywhere from my understanding other than across this field To what Montpelier has said you're not gonna allow them to use their property My understanding my I wasn't able to attend the other meeting my son was He tells me the majority of the people that were at that meeting were opposed to up The chief of police was opposed to up the road commissioner was opposed to up. I Don't understand why it was proved. I Really like I can answer on that. I see no upside to the town of Berlin From a liability in the cost in To see a whole lot of downside Well, we approved it because the snowmobiles to connect their trails have to take and have a way Under the or over the throughway and this I don't see that as a town of Berlin's problem Well again, we're not exclusionary here. We like to have everybody have a chance to go through town But isn't it isn't the reason for this board to serve the residents of Berlin Our tax dollars pay for road repairs. We pay for the law enforcement It's a road commissioner doesn't like that The chief of police doesn't want it Doesn't doesn't that kind of Send a message a lot of that option opposition was on the black road and On the other roads Yeah, but on the Brookfield roads that I don't think makes any sense the other thing Every year this has to be reviewed Every year. Yeah, so what we did because that first meeting there was a lot of opposition There was a lot of people then the next three meetings There was no opposition There was still a fair number of snowmobilers and I think like Brad is saying What we tried to do for them was to allow them away to just get under that highway No black road noble acrylic road in the rest of that Has to be on private property. Yeah, well, I didn't tell you right now My property cuts the only route they can pay to get over without going down black road They are not crossing my property. It's not they're not going to their problem Which is a neighbor I just I can't understand How you as a board can go against I didn't I I worked for the first week I worked nights I Wasn't able to be here. I have to schedule a day off weeks in advance The other meetings I wasn't even aware of I Just I I always thought a select board was supposed to promote the wishes of all of the people understand the snowmobile club is Barry town Snowmobile club there for the most part not a residence even for a win They want to play We have to pay That's what upsets me not to mention the liability issue what happens if I'm coming home from work some night in a snowmobile pulls out right out here and I hit them Okay, somebody is gonna somebody's gonna have to pay They're gonna they can't shoot snowmobile or obviously They have no insurance Here's here's the other problem. I allowed that was for to use my property. I Went down to be posted out on the area for him. We mark. Yeah, I Even took chainsaw and my small bulldozer and I cleared a path for them They went all over the place They did not stay on the trail. It was marked out They threw stuff all over the property. I found cans you may not thrown out on my property That's the reason they will never use my property again. I will not allow them to cross it period Well, I think it's the feeling of the board if the owners do not give them permission I don't think they'll use the road because there's no place to go if they do abuse it next year We can say to them. We gave you that opportunity another thing to keep in mind that this ordinance was in place what less than two years ago We just Removed it. It wasn't removed for a year So they could have done this anyways and it was basically house cleaning I believe because nobody was doing it. Nope. Nobody was using the roads. So we sort of took it off the books Murphy's lost six or seven months later to comes back The ordinance is posted now. There's an ordinance there that allows people to help determine things, but I Thought it was rather risky the amount of time money and energy Whatever the snowmobile group is whether it's the Thunder chickens or private use They can lose that if they abuse it So that still doesn't doesn't answer my question if that happens If an automobile, it's a snowmobile or On this is what a class rode out here Three but that okay. This is class. I thought there are we dirt roads with faster it No, but my answer was the same thing that would have happened six months ago or eight months ago before we Remove the ordinance. This isn't like something brand new a brand new risk In fact, I mean, I think snowmobiles have had permission to run on those the consequences of that What are you drunk? Oh, who knows? I mean, there's so many things you might have to throw into that question Is it just purely an accident? Is there somebody going too fast? I mean You don't believe this is the town by authorizing you stands any liability at all. It's the same liability. We've always had As they say we just removed this we just removed that ordinance not a year ago I don't think that we're subjecting ourselves to anymore. You know, I have never ridden a more of Snowmobile and I have no interest in it. There was a lot of people here From Berlin that wanted that path that wanted the opportunity to at least Try that they were we were here. That's why we voted on I have a copy of the minutes that I received on that first meeting in the first meeting It's hard to attend other meetings when you're not aware of And it's also hard to attend when you were I Just I really see no upside for the town of Berlin. I see only liability issues. I see problem with roads Anywhere they cross a road They pull snow out into the road and it freezes into a hard path It causes a bear and tear on the roads It causes police enforcement. I mean we have to pay for police officers if there is something We we pay the bills for that as well I see no upside to this in the town of Berlin I just I mean I haven't Normally when the town does something It's for the benefit of the people of the town I don't see any benefit to the people of town for this Yeah, I guess I just had to keep falling back. This has been in place. We haven't been sued the roads They run across route three of two down by the railroad tracks all winter long. I don't see snow there We haven't had an accident there in the 40 years. I've lived here with a snowmobile I mean if we're going to be afraid of every little thing we would never do anything They also don't have a very narrow bridge out here that is already icy Well, we We we said that we would put an ordinance in place so that we could open up 100 yards out here to get under the interstate If they can't get trails on private property on either side of it, they're not going to use it They can't go anywhere and you're not going to give them permission. So Where are they going to go? No, we'll we'll see we'll see that I don't think a lot of people will give them permission I I don't think they will get it or they would have had it already. They wouldn't have had to come here I like I said, I I I did that once You know, it was it was abuse Totally and when I called the bass, I can't remember his name. I I Cannot find the paperwork any longer. It was 20 years ago But when I called him to complain he said well, you can't expect us to control every snowmobile It chooses to ride on our trails And that was the end of the conversation That's why the land has been closed with snowmobilers and always will be And you know what? I agree with you 100 and if that happens I don't see anyone on this board saying geez we're going to let you continue to do that But as Wayne pointed out, they have a long long way to go before they're even going to be using this little stretch of road Because it just dead ends. They are at I believe the Lawrence property Right. Uh, Hey, turnpike south Okay And there's no no place to go Well, they're certainly not not going across My property. I don't think you're the only one I I believe that they're going to hit a brick wall and we've given them the opportunity every chance to get under that highway In all fairness to them And and see what happens You know I I just hope nothing At first does happen because either way, I'm going to end up hanging up, but I can see I know what's happened up north where They have sued people have sued over these issues Uh, we're a snowmobile collided with an automobile in the town road Uh In either way taxpayers end up paying for up I don't like the thought of that. I'll be very honest with you. I think our taxes are More than high enough as they already stand and I I I see no benefit These people are not taxpayers of the town of Berlin They're not spending any money or doing anything to enhance the town of Berlin That may be questionable Okay, where other than maple would really stop to get gas Uh food Drink whatever else what what are they doing to enhance the town of Berlin?  And then goes down our highway and slides off the road in their car for driving too fast and sues the state I understand but those are illegal vehicles meant to travel on public highways a snowmobile is not It is not a registered vehicle meant to travel on a public highway They simply are not they Don't carry the same liability issues. They don't carry the same insurance issues Uh I just and I I know they're supposed to do this. They're supposed to do that But the abuses happen all of them In the worst Everybody's aware of the the parking issues over along the pond as it is now with people Walking riding bikes half the time Ice fishing they park in the travel portions of the highway constantly you you there's All kinds of times you can't get two cars through side by side You have to wait your turn because they don't park into the pole around or they don't pull far enough. Yeah We already have issues without Since the pond's been opened the issues have increased because there's more and more people using the pond And it gets worse every year And it's just going to continue to get worse and it's just adds another Straw to break the camels back I'm not sure snowmobiles go anywhere around the pond. They're they're not going around i'm using that as as as a statement of the issue just so you understand what i mean by having too many people or Things using the roads now and as I said I Can't believe that they're gonna let that I I would bet anything they will be back here next year Especially if nothing happens this year Looking for permission to use more of the road to use black road I tend to use Brookfield road to get over there. I just don't I don't see it ending here And I just I If there is an accident out here, I see the liability issue is huge Well, you know if there had never been an ordinance, I'm not sure what Ford would have done But we just reinstated something that's been here for ever I wasn't aware that there was an ordinance before Nothing to that nature was posted in the paper that I ever read that there was a pre-existing ordinance I never I never saw anything of that nature posted anywhere. I think the ordinance was instated back in 78 I was going to say when I was here in in the 80s I worked for the town in the 80s. They used that road All the time But we agreed that we don't want to let them use the road The only piece of road we agreed that if they got a trail built on private property From the existing vast trail to where they want to go They could come back and we would let them use that 100 yards of road to get under the understate You're seeing if they got right for me right So in other words until they get permission they can't use the road. That's my point Again, that was not Stated clearly They're gonna unload out here and just go back and forth under the road. No, I didn't expect they would no, but that's what I'm saying But they're that that if makes A lot of difference You're saying if in other words before they can use that section of the road They have got to get permission to go. They got to have a boy. They got a way to get to it Right, and I think they're trying to get over to uh pain mountain, isn't it? Yeah And that's what I meant earlier when you said you're not going to let them cross and then that's it Okay, I'll I will take you at your word on it The night that they were all here the first meeting there was quite a few people from cross down road Want to be able to get off of that Out through to get onto the trail system out here I mean there was there was quite a few of them here from cross down But they got to find a way They they they have got some private property that they can ride on up there Josh Walker and and Jason I border Josh Walker. Well, actually you're a Lemerson borders Josh Walker Uh Josh Walker doesn't go anywhere near to the top or across no, but they're coming from the beans and Lamps and off of Walker roads can come out through to Levene's and then they cross cross down road and then come down onto Josh Walker's And then come down through and get down to the that way here to the interstate Well connect with the trail over from northfield. They have to get Northfield owns this a stretch Oh where it goes up to the old granite quarries It allows no motor vehicles whatsoever up on that property. In fact, my property borders up to part of Montpelier In my understanding is Montpelier has said no, and I'm going to use our property period That's the only piece of road we talked about. Yeah, how long Is that 100 yards under the bridge? Yeah, well I For my own sake as well as everybody else's I hope there's not an accident, but I can I can just see it happening because You come around from the interstate That corner is generally plowed up rather high It's kind of blind They're they're going to have to Well from here. Well, I assume they're going to have to cross on the left-hand side Is that are they going to are they going to cross on the right-hand side going under the interstate There's a stop sign. There's a sign in the way to cross on the left On the right The way the banks are I don't see how unless they go all the way down the road We'll cross that bridge when they have a trail But even once they're across the bridge or across the culverts they go on to uh, tom willard's land He's gave them permission to ride on his Okay, so then they just come back onto the curb under the throughway and then they go up into the That's one question which side of the curb would I mean come because if you're if you're coming down brookfield road And they're coming on the left side going from here If they shoot out at all They don't shoot right out into into cars Well, that's for them to take them to side But right now the The ordinance is as it states just to get them under the over the water and under the bridge There's no roads other than that just cross town a little bit of the start of the field Just a little bit of the start of the brookfield road and then cut the ledges into uh, Justin will But there's no talk of black road there's no talk of Any of the other roads up the around the pond Okay Holy wet graph didn't see what happened. We all will I just I don't like the liability issues that something should happen because sure sure is crap if they do they're gonna try to shoot the tap Well, I mean the snowmobiles through vast through the state registration process to have they have to maintain a Same insurance as a car does And that's one of the reasons it's so expensive to own a snowmobile ambassador the As far as the registration that all snowmobiles have to be registered that go on vast trails have to be registered through the state of Yeah, no, I understand Or they're supposed to be let's put it that way Well, the same thing with automobiles You're absolutely right. But here's the same difference again On the automobile automobile is a cool vehicle for the road Snowmobiles are known They do not have directionals Well, they're they're not going to ride on the road. They're only going to ride this little bit out here by the culvert On the road, and then they're going to be up on the bank. No, last I knew that was they have they have a legal right to cross A highway to cross it. Yes. And that's all they're going to do one when they go across the end of the pond out there and go on to Jason Lawrence's Land it's just going to go straight across. They're going straight across. They are riding on the road They have to out here. They can't get across just a little bit Again, that is on the road I'm not trying to pick straws, but It appears that that's what seems to happen is Pick straws. Well, that is on the road unless I miss my gas Yeah, but it's been that way since would you say 78 in the 70s? It's not new It's been going on forever as long as snowmobiles have been around Hold my peace until I see you Again, I mean They're not going to take an even bother to To do anything out here on this road until they get permission to get to where they want to be And as you say if you're not going to give permission and they can't get across Montpelier's land, it's kind of a moot point You know I hope that's the case, but that's that's all I have to say I thank you for allowing me the time to address you. I'm glad to have you come in. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you see here Chris Chris revved Du Bois and King Town office in the highway department storm water plan Yep, I'll talk first. I'm actually Pam DeAndrea from I remember Pam Oh, yeah, not regional planning commission And I don't know if you guys remember we did a storm water master plan For the come on come right on come on and um Now let Chris sit here because I'm not going to talk to him So I did it. We did a cbrpc. We did a storm water master plan and Five five sites were chosen to um further into design And I managed to Dana and I worked together and I said Dana would you like me to get a grant for any one of these and uh We thought we'd start with the town office since to me municipally on property It was relatively straightforward project one landowner And I was able to put it through a block grant program that we have now and um Town pays a 20% match, which you folks approved So this we're at the what we call we had a 60 phase of the design That chris's firm dubon king um Did and then we we met with dana had some discussion Forwarded it to the 90 percent design and so we're here to present that tonight for you and get your approval to Move it to 100 and then once it culminates 100 and we have a final report That'll put you folks in the position To let me help you to get um a grant for implementation Which right now this is the plan But what will happen what would happen later? Yeah, and the nice thing I've heard in terms of the future um situation with the block grants No more mandatory match, so Me baby able to get this done. Well, that's quite attractive. I know Haven't seen I haven't seen the uh rfp up from this state, but that's that's what people are telling me So it still can be competitive like the other grant programs, you know some folks will put in a little match here and there But was in kind eligible? Yes. Yeah, absolutely and in kind is eligible. So with that, um And I think timing we're gonna be wrapping this up within the next few months and um We'll have a we'll there's a grant round. Unfortunately, this won't be ready for the next grant round, which is in two weeks so But we'll get you on the next one or whenever this block grant thing comes out as well. So All right, so these are this is a large larger set of what you have in front of you in in case You want to try and look at that? The first page here is pretty straightforward. It's What's out here now? In the parking area and the town garages Uh, the biggest thing that we had to worry about in terms of our design was the Waterline that goes along the south and east end of the park or south and west end of the parking lot On this plan, it's actually in blue and your black and white plans. It's not on there It's this here. So we're kind of having to work around that a little bit But I think we figured out a good way to work around that Um The point of this is to treat the the impervious area. So the pavement and gravel areas out here, uh, the uh, there's a permit Coming out or a stormwater rule coming out in 2018. No, 2019. Sorry. We're 2019 Yeah, it was supposed to be last year. Um But it's actually in rulemaking now With the legislature and they actually they We're supposed to look at at the end of january and it looks like they postponed it to the end of february now Yes, um met with the stormwater folks actually on tuesday and I think They're gonna be it's gonna be put out either tomorrow or next week. So Oh, we'll be okay. So probably probably by the end of next week And this was going to take effect sometime in the future wasn't it? Yes, it'll take effect. Um, Once it goes to rulemaking the state will the state, uh, stormwater program will have to write A general permit for it and the new rule is, um, it has to do with three acre sites. So it's any site that, um, has three or more acres of impervious that has never been permitted For stormwater treatment and they'll have to go back and retrofit some type of stormwater treatment For impervious surfaces And they'll have to treat a certain amount of it. In this case the way the rule is written now It's 50 we'll have to be treated. Um So moving on to our proposed condition What we've proposed treats, um in in terms of Uh, a stormwater pond Uh, some just filtering areas, uh, using some of the existing wooded areas and actually reducing some of the gravel areas Um, we treat about 56 percent of the impervious surfaces Uh, we will start Which way am I looking here? We'll start with the southern section out by the ice rink Um, currently it seems that stormwater flows from east to west straight, uh, straight down the parking lot this way And it'll just run off across the road either into this culvert over here or just down the bank into the river Um, what we're proposing to do is capture a bit of that with, um, a swale A small depression here with a culvert across Into what we're what we have proposed as a, uh, subsurface gravel wetland Um, so basically the base of this will be, um Be some topsoil with a little bit of piece stone and then two feet of gravel underneath So water will percolate through the soil Into the gravel it'll run through it And it will eventually discharge into an outlet structure Which we're going to propose outlets right at the the existing culvert Up here on the west end just below just below shed road um And this will capture quite a bit of the town office parking lot Maybe not some of the stuff in the back that might run off, uh, this direction here The one thing that I that we have, um, proposed for the actual parking area We'll have to, um, excavate the area, uh, for that culvert anyway So we're thinking in order just to, um, Convey that water so it doesn't travel straight down shed road across the way it does now Just to put a tiny little diversion bar Maybe call it a speed bump if you want, um, it would be about three to four inches I think I don't think it would be anything too Too massive, um, but just put that out there and that'll actually help direct some of that water, um, to help capture it Yeah, so we're directing all that water through those subsurface capture zones Yeah, they really clog up with silt and dirt. We're in 15 years We're going to put all that water into something that won't hold anything Um, a lot of the sediment and stuff should get captured within the topsoil itself Um, so it should just be water and, um, whatever nutrients the water is So the top acts as a filter so you may have to go in and Excavate out some of the sediment and things to get down to the topsoil and replace that but I would think we, um, would not need to excavate all three feet. That's gonna that's gonna be under there So what's that what would be the operation and maintenance around that like how often like every couple years or something like that The forebay itself so this little triangular section here Initially everything's going to run into here and that'll remove most of the sediment in larger storms will probably get some that, uh Travels into into the main bays So really it's just about looking at the forebay first for sediment removal and, um We'll provide a maintenance Plan, you know, I don't think I do we include that yet? I think we put it together, but we didn't include it in our I don't think it's in the 90 percent, but we're gonna need that for 100 percent because I have to have Yeah, I have to have an overhead Yeah, we have started it. We have started it. It just uh, I just didn't make it into this. Um, basically on a Semi-annual to annual basis you would inspect each of these and Depending on how much will kind of give you a range of You know, how deep that sediment will be before you start to excavate it out. So Usually it's Go ahead. Sorry. So if you look at the detailing outlet structure, so that the the pre-forated pipe, that's pre-forated pipe, right? Yes, beneath the cap. Yeah, so that's basically the lead field that's bringing the water to the structure It is so the way so the way it's designed if you look at the, um the plan sheet It uh, we basically take so water will run into this perforated pipe here, right, but it's cut off Moving from north to south so it actually has to run at least this 20 to 25 feet through the gravel before it hits another perforated section Yeah, and then it'll go through a solid pipe underneath the berm in the middle Hit the perforated it should spread out And move through the second set of gravel until it hits the perforations at the end Here, which will run into the structure. So the only time that you'd ever get water to go over the grate In the structure would be a catastrophic You're looking at, um, we have a If you're looking at the structure, there's another small orifice Six inch tall, uh, that's that'll run you at the 10-year storm which which is about, um I think it's two and a half two to three inches two and a half to three inch Uh rainfall in 24 hours The maintenance would be a bit after you had one of those you clean the structure. Yeah, pretty much Yeah Um, and yeah, there'll be regular, uh Operations and maintenance that'll need to be done as a lot of inspection and then when you notice that You know sediment should be cleaned out or You're looking for maybe cracks in a structure or something like that. I I find it hard to believe You know that would take many years, but Those are the types of things you would look for and what a what is generally the life That is at 10 to 20 years or what is that? Yeah, is that about right? I would imagine it's about 20 years at least So at 20 years what do you have to go in there and dig everything out and just redo it? um Maybe the structures I think as long as uh regular maintenance is done to the wetland itself Um, that may hold, you know, you may have Some great some grading erosion issues. Um, you know, if you have some catastrophic storm As wane put it You may have some erosion issues that you might have to deal with But I think as long as it's well maintained it should work for for many years um And then you're just looking for erosion around around your structures any movement or anything like that that would have to be repaired Uh Before I move on is there any additional do you want to talk about the filter? Yeah, I was just going to make sure and there were no other questions regarding that the Get under shed road with the discharge pike. Were you just going to bore it or? No, there's an existing Discharge there's an existing culvert and we're actually going to outlet right in front of it in the same Um depression that is in so we'll outlet it there and hopefully, you know, it'll Go right into the the other structure or the other culvert It's kind of squished in at the top of that page there. Yep. Any additional questions about the gravel one? Okay Um, moving on to the northern section of the site This one's a little less intensive in terms of construction and cost Um Basically with this area I'd rather not we'd rather not disturb a lot of the wooded areas to create another basin or something like that so what Was proposed in a 30% design and we've continued with Is adding a small filter strip along the edge of the along the edge of what's there Um, it'd be about 10 feet From the edge from the edge of gravel right now Um, and just turn that into vegetation Um, basically that would help filter Any uh nutrients or sediment anything like that Um right at the beginning of that you'll see that we have a two foot stone diaphragm Um to meet Stormwater rule so if if we ever do have to go ahead and permit this under the three acre rule There's a there's a certain Length that water has to travel at 75 feet across Here that you could just send it into an open field and it would be fine Um, they consider more than 75 feet Where you're going to get some channeling of of water and such so the stone diaphragm Actually helps capture that and spread out all the water so it flows a little more evenly Through this vegetated area So what we have is that stone diaphragm which is two feet wide one foot deep of just three quarter inch to one and a half inch stone Um, and then just building a little vegetated strip Within what's already gravel the rest of it is actually using what's existing beyond that That woody vegetation that's that's already out there We can consider that as long as we have the distance Which here we need a minimum of 65 to meet stormwater rules and So Basically the area i've shown even at that thinnest area where i have the dimension called out Is about 70 feet i think but we would need a 65 foot minimum there Just so we can show that you know, we're going to meet the treatment requirement For the stormwater Did you say Refresh my memory, but you it was a certain percentage that you were addressing it was 56 percent 56 percent so yes, so between The two practices We address about 56 percent of all the impervious on Between the two sides between the town offices and the um and the highway and the highway garage there's about three 3.1 acres total of impervious that we've um, you know, it's been delineated for these plans that we can tell and Based on our calculations. We're capturing about Almost 1.7 acres. It's just shy of 1.7 acres. So just over half And then we reduce so we like i Show here there's a little bit of reduction we instead of having having a more defined road there we can Um Make a grass we instead of gravel and we can count that as a reduction of impervious Which counts towards that 50 percent that we would need to treat As you know, I wasn't thrilled with the 50 something percent. I wanted to be more higher Which would require because there's a drainage You know, it's gonna some of the drainage goes that way. So it would actually require Some other retrofit A crystal ball, which I know you don't but How long is the state is satisfied with 56 percent? Yes, because it's 50 percent. What does it have to be for a minimum for the state? Do you know 50 percent 50, okay Any idea of how long that will be or you mean will they change their mind Dana? Is that what you're wondering? I know you don't have an answer but I don't have a crystal ball about that. Um, given that Given that this is you know, this rule has taken quite a few years to Get through the legislature. It was supposed to come out last year. It's coming out any day now um for them to Increase that 50 percent is gonna be you think that's unlikely. I think that's pretty unlikely I think so too. Um, think about they have to address They have to permit every three acre impervious site through this whole state, you know, and so For them to require more than a 50 percent treatment of those sites Yeah, a lot of these sites may may be very constricted Well, my point was it was you know, we really weren't that much over the 50 percent. That was my point Yeah, and I know that was a concern there's left. I mean if it Came down that road Years five to ten years from now, which I really doubt it will you know, you never say never you never know What's gonna happen? Of course, but there would be opportunities To do other kinds of things over here and we would go at that we would go down I don't want you guys to spend money that you don't have to Until you have to so for designed so if we have to do additional things Yeah, I mean it would be it would be down on this side somewhere over here of the property Maybe over here over here. Yeah, you could Try and grade something to come into this pond around here But that's a lot of extra excavation that you may not want to do at this moment So, you know, we we if that happened we could go back to the design table. We could go back to Short answer is there's going to be chasing a lot of people for the next one. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I'm very well made and Being on the Winooski River and and Lake Champlain being the priority you're going to be Doing things sooner than Sooner than a lot of this It becomes legislation very soon But in terms of the roll out of their rule and they don't even have a list of all the properties at this point that's Coming I mean they know we know that this is three or impervious surface because we did this from our master plan, you know, but You know, there's a lot of properties out there that they don't even know whether they're going to go into this room until the state tells them You you you were under it. So Chris is what more do you have to do to complete this plan? Uh, I don't think there's a heck of a lot more to do. Um, it's pretty close just some minor detail stuff that we have to do and Some minor details we have in the report that needs to be taken care of And then specifications for actual construction Right, uh, the construction front end documents and Yeah, okay. Yeah. So the documents and all that sure There is a um cost schedule in the report that I don't know if you guys got so I don't know if they have that Okay, so there was a report That was the preliminary report. This is the 90 percent that Yeah, you saw it Yeah, I did not give them that that's okay. Just so you know I always want to know about money. So I'm sure you guys do too. Um, I can just even pass around my copy of it but the Correct me if I'm wrong and you're gonna have to explain plug option versus seat option, of course because I forgot already Um, I actually have to I actually wrote you a paragraph for that. You did. I did in the cost benefit section. I know Um, but anyway, of course, I didn't have time to read that today. Um, that's okay The total the total cost for the project. There's two options plug option Seven eight thousand dollars two hundred seventy eight thousand two hundred, but don't scream to you guys. I'm going to get you grant And the seat option fifty nine thousand two hundred So he'll explain the difference between the two but I'll pass that around to you guys So in um In looking at this the 30 design Uh, which was done by watershed consulting that they provided an option to do Wetland plugs so it's a a two inch plant plug that you would Put in or you can just purely seed um And the main difference is I'm gonna have to I don't have this memorized so I'm gonna have to read for my own Uh section here is the uh the seeds Um, they're lower costs, but they may end up getting washed away if you have a rain event soon after Um, they're put in or Uh, before they take Um, the plugs they they allow for quicker growth Um, and they'll probably help stave off some of the uh invasive species that you may have Um, and they'll probably Provide more erosion control right at the beginning because they'll grow a little bit quicker and and provide more coverage faster Um And when they grow when the plugs grow it'll be more will it be more like garden like versus just grass Grass or what you know, like yeah more like perennial like perennial garden kind of looking but not flowers But just more like stitches. Yeah stuff like that. Yeah, there's a variety of Wetland plants that you can uh put in and uh, we can actually we'll actually provide you and this money you're finding is going to provide We think we can try for the bigger the the the plug option we can try I actually think you might be happy. We did reach out to a wetland um Plant supply company and they're not eight dollars and seventy seven cents a piece. They're actually a lot less They're closer to like two or three dollars a piece Um, so I haven't had a chance to do the math on that yet. We just found we just found that out this week. Um but Uh, yeah, exactly or even less at this at that point. Um So there so there is that yeah for you And and you know if that is a nominal cost on On over the construction that may be worth it to get that coverage soon Or you might end up stealing it more than once Yeah, yeah, that's that's the Does that happen that's the only thing that's happened on an s6 or was it a 16th? No, we're we are working on one on s6. It hasn't been constructed. It's going through the mab process So it's quite a layout process, right? Um So slightly off top of the judge for the paper we have been reading a little bit about pervious Paving or pervious paving. Yes. There is that there is that does that have any future I mean you want to pay for it It's expensive. I think so. Yeah, I haven't worked with it too much recently. Um But Yeah, there is that possibility The other possibility or the other thought you got to give to it is There might be a lot of maintenance involved with it in terms of Pervious pavement being plugged with sediment and salt and things like that Looked at the Randolph parking right Yeah, it is that pervious pavement. Yeah, it was that was it was a first test. It was the first test of it and it It looks more like gravel now if you figure popcorn, right? And water goes down the popcorn in vermont and it's 20 below zero and it freezes and pops the top off It looks more like it looks like it looks like gravel. So not a very good idea Well, I think yeah, I think people are you know, some people are going to it. Um It's really nice in driveways. I think and yeah, they're also doing areas Sometimes uh, see if you can get as money for that too I believe they're doing a pay a Pervious paver option over at uh Taylor street the uh, the new transit center that's going in they're doing pervious pavers So I think those are actual brick pavers that have some gravel in between so that it's actually a pervious surface That that they've used and that's less likely to get plugged A little bit. Yeah, most likely because it's mostly pedestrian too But it's not cheap I went to this workshop on um, like there's erosion control workshop and there was somebody there and I don't know how much It's it's pretty expensive The state might go in that direction Maybe it'll improve in a decade Yeah So, um with your approval, we will move this to a hundred percent. We just need the yay, I mean You want them to do a motion to approve going Finishing so they're really proving what they're that we can bring us to a hundred percent design Because we're at 90 Bring the project to the hundred percent Any other discussion all those in favor Those opposed motion carries you have your permission. Thank you very much. I was hoping they were going to say no Do we need or do you need a town permit for this that was a question I had I'll speak to the powers I'll speak to the powers that be okay. No, we don't have to go by our own rules, but We usually do yeah, so if you Um, whenever that would be it would probably Um, not happen until we would go to construct. I'll send you an email tomorrow Right, so we we wouldn't have to worry about it until we had funding for construction. I would think right sure But if you if you tell me that then I'm gonna wait Until the next you know millennium, so Yeah Thanks to everybody Um, we have received an application for valeno to work in the Right away on hill street Um, you've gotten a copy of their application And I'll let you speak about what you need Okay, I'm sandy fog from velco and We would like to Make this Access for this is taken last year. This is what we put in to get heavy equipment up into the right of way There were some ortho photos with the the application. I think to show you where we were working For the last six years five years. We've been replacing Aging poles in our transmission network And so last year we had scheduled to do two up in there and we built this by just filling in The ditch area and then we pulled it out Well, we didn't get the aot permit one of the poles Is near 89 and it's in the aot right of way We it took forever to get that permit to work in the aot right of way even though it's way uphill from the highway So that had to be moved to this year And Rather than go in put this down pull it out put it in pull it out. We'd like to make it a permanent Access point. We've already gated it up here and Put in a gate locks for the neighbors You spoke with the highway you spoke with him about him. Yeah Yes, we did this after talking to him last year and and we understand you you need to do ditch clearing The trouble is there's ledge there so they're gonna have to go in there and hammer They can hammer it out for you and and we don't have to put the culvert in until you're ready And we can actually leave it for you if you prefer that but kasella will be doing the work But they have to hammer equipment. Yes Yeah, we did 14 structures in berlin last year We did a whole stretch along airport road Yeah, over 11 there. So you're fine with the location under all. Yeah So i'll move to approve a permanent curb cut for this Any further discussion I'm hearing none those in favor by Those opposed. Thank you. Thank you We'll work with you then what about timing The thing is is that they're gonna probably begin sometime in april to be ready for the The little tiny window we have in may to do these So it's may that you've had may is the actual work But they're gonna be preparing the access Sandy you're gonna get a copy of this from tom He's not here, is he? Tom no, okay. No Okay, thank you Thank you very much Yeah We will skip to the discussion of the green mountain transit route elimination Um, Jeremy asked me to put that on to the agenda about a a change in green mountain transit Service area So yeah, so there was there's this is a discussion more in northfield But hearing from people and having students and colleagues who we use the green mountain transit line from montpellier down to northfield Which goes through berlin and does stop If people need it to at weston's and elsewhere in berlin Because northfield northfield was put is now putting green mountain transit Money in their regular budget rather than as a special appropriation And they decided this year to cut that Green mountain transit said well then we have to cut Have to cut service there and they were as it was as of june. They're going to discontinue that service So I don't know that we necessarily have a role In In being a part of that, but I wanted to make sure everybody was aware of there are berlin residents right now a student of mine in particular Um, though I know first hand will not be able to get to class because he relies on green mountain transit to get there And the ridership of that of that line which runs A number of times per day That's going to be a major problem I think for a lot of berlin residents and Other folks that rely on that. Do you know how much the appropriation was? It wasn't very it was their appropriation was Their whole Down their whole appropriation to green mountain transit. I don't have it for me. It's 20 ish The northfield side. Yeah I mean putting all of it that was that was my my read on it and actually at norwich university also contributes some but The as I understand that there are a group of folks from northfield Who will be going to town meeting and apparently they still have some facility for doing some line item Budget stuff in northfield like that. We don't have that here. So they're actually going to from the floor try to add that back in So I'd be glad to contact green mountain transit We work with them. Yeah fairly quickly closely and find out what their plans are if it's And if there's yeah, if they have any other Future plans or if there's ways that we can get involved not that not that i'm suggesting that we should you know Jack up the amount that we're necessarily Contributing but you know these are these are services that our residents use Mm-hmm And that as as much as we as we pay which I think is like 10,000 in 20. Yeah, there you go. Yeah That's For the amount that it's used especially in berlin and near the hospital and shawls and all that stuff It's really it's really a bargain for the number of people that ride it. That's my my estimation anyways That's what I got without caps and cab services Kind of necessity well, there is a so there's one cab service that run that's in berlin that's on on route 12 just south of where I am now at on uh, yeah on route 12 Green cab green cab Yeah Six six that's a little more expensive than a shawler in person. No. No. No. No. She's got um She's got four or five cabs over there Oh, she's gonna have all that Yeah, okay quite a few of them there when you go by at night There's quite a few And they're busy They're busy, so I mean Some folks do use uber, but you know and um, I'm you know trying to get my student to graduate Sure And he's got he has another year left after this and I'm you know seriously thinking like am I going to be driving him home Over to to the this this area berlin corners area I mean, I guess I'll do it if I have to and I wouldn't see the guy graduate, but We have we need the bus. Yes. Yeah, we need the bus. There's no question You probably said why are they dropping in the service? No, I think Just to save money on their budget. Oh just It's not because it's not being used or anything. Oh, no. No, it's I mean, there's clear data that it's being used Okay Okay, any oh, okay. Got to return home to the kids. Yep Approval of licenses permits vouchers and applications Will we accept the general fund accounts payable warrant number one nine g one six with checks one eight eight nine three to one eight nine two six In the amount of fifty one thousand two hundred ninety three dollars and eighty cents Payroll warrant number 19 dash 17 for payroll from february third two thousand and nineteen February 16th two thousand and nineteen and the amount of forty four thousand seven hundred and eighty six dollars and forty cents January general journal entries and tax administration So any further discussion all those in favor Passes There's such a good job with that p you should do it until your You know, let me practice a couple times This is the last time you're gonna see us Well, no, not quite so fast One more time one more two more times two more time two more time Okay review and recommendation of bids received the excavator and trailer You remember we um had bids at the last meeting for the excavator And the equipment trailer. Um, I had sent you To remind you what the bids were that came in Um Tim and I have talked about this And He has made recommendation for the excavator to purchase the excavator from nortrax for eighty nine thousand five hundred This is the same machine that the town rented from them. Um, and You liked it and were satisfactory The price was fairly close. I thought to a brand new machine Um, there wasn't a lot of difference between the two Why did you prefer the used machine Wow because we used it and we knew what it was what it was like you felt more comfortable with that Does it have the options you wanted? And it's got a good warranty so There is a well bow regard had a use 2017. I believe this one is 2017 the nortrax Um, and that was really that was only three hundred dollars less than the new new machine The warranty is the warranties Still the remainder of the hours Okay, and then you can buy extended warranty He he just sold an extended warranty that cover everything. It was only 800 dollars for three more years. Yeah so Now I I I think that that's the best deal Um My only question was how we were going to pay for it as you recall. That is a another question. Absolutely We are going to have to hit our equipment budget For it which will put us in jeopardy of finishing the culvert in this year's fiscal year Cash wise. I don't believe that's an issue for us Um, I spoke with diana. We believe we have flow that we could pay cash And if needed we could borrow money for the machine at a later date We could Yes, that was that was my suggestion because then we're not getting tied into some finance arrangement with the equipment dealer When we can borrow money for three percent We we have a relationship with um, well two or three banks Right and we certainly could get a very good rate and I imagine that they would loan it to us It would be nice to to not borrow the money unless we had to but if we had to we can borrow the money Six months from now on that machine. I think I'm trying to get away from debt service as much as I can Well I read this and I agree with all of it. So I'll move that we Purchase the john dear excavator as per the bid and also purchase the trailer from Clark's truck service for 20,000 and 71 dollars as well Second Any further discussion? Hearing none those in favor The only question I got is how soon well if we're going to write a check I guess we can buy it really soon because We we might need it I just call Larry tell them to bring in here and then if we're going to write a check out of the equipment find it We we could do that. I'd have to go through the what I have to go through but just Because when you can have it we use we used the one last year quite a bit with ice You know and but I'm all I'm saying I guess if you call them and say this luckboard approved it We're paying for that out of our checking account that he should move the machine down And maybe he could give us two weeks to give them a check Yeah We will we promise. Yeah You better check with Diane and then we're about The trailers is we received what 15,000 The and the trailer you can We would do the same If you need to check beforehand Let me know and I'll talk to diane about doing it. Obviously we have to talk to her for both, but Well, they have one in stock Clarks does it's over at platzberg at their other store right now But I just call them and say the select board approved buying your trailer can get it here I mean, there's no problem having it quick Yeah Because I mean We could get into some pinches here with water problems and stuff and not having one is don't take this wrong way But I hope it warms up enough so that you do So don't I be honest with you because I'm sick of it And we are going to have some classes about bridges and how high they are Don't even go there He was in the other day. He was pretty red faced about that still even now I don't know So you'll you'll contact lary. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and clack Because another reason why they're cheaper is we paid $3,600 rental for a month. They gave that back to us If we bought the machine That's where the price is down I will send a notice to Beauregard and Cat Oh, he's probably going to call me tomorrow. He called me yesterday and Well, I always end up discussing tonight and I said yes, and he said, well, I'll give you a call Friday Okay Thank you Thank you very much. Appreciate it Uh approval of select board minutes from January 3rd 2019 in January 17th 2019 I move we uh, except the minutes as presented for Thursday, January 3rd meeting 2019 I do Second is that you're here? I'm leading it trying to remember if I was here. It doesn't say you weren't let me say that I don't recognize Maybe I was here and just don't realize it You remember when the uh me every day I can check I remember calling my mark. I can check it. I'll second it. Yeah Any further discussion Those in favor? All right And now the minutes of January 17th Yeah, I'll move to approve the minutes of January 17th Any further discussion Hearing none those in favor? All right. All right Those opposed motion carries They they called me on that leg yesterday Um, hey jane mcdonnell or whatever it is They've been done the job. They want to know if we wanted any of it So value to it Yeah, I could use it. Well, didn't think that didn't the pit one Well, yeah, he wants it too, but This guy said that there's going to be plenty to go. Everybody could I mean I told him a couple 300 yards and we probably have plenty I think there's 64,000. Yeah, that's what he told me So if I understood that correctly didn't the guy want I think this point was it would save us money on trucking If we just let him have it it would say it would save the contract Which in terms he's going to get a permit to take it. Yeah, he hasn't done that yet But he has to apply everybody's trying to hedge their beds beds tomorrow Okay Was the scariest part of the whole thing is they're only closing one lane of the north I thought you and I when we retire from the board we get into blasting No chance of fly rock there They're ready yet The tractor place is going to start to summer up there too Champlain equipment I talked with Tom about that the other day because he had the permit thing That's our road, you know that goes into brusseau's pet. It's a class four. Is it yeah Is it come out over Williamstown? Yeah, but it only goes a little ways there and it's then it's Williamstown's Then it turns to Williamstown What are you saying here Tim? Well, I just told Tom that He wants to be real careful where they put their driveway in because That is a mud hole in the spring of the year When they're all in gravel out of brussels and stone out of there in the spring of the year The tractor dealers are dragging getting out of there. Well, we have rock to fill it now Well, they have rock anyways, but it's just it's just just the way the land is. Yeah Because I mean if If they go in there, are we going to be liable for that road? We're not for a class four road But the way the permit showed it that Tom brought up on his computer was is they're going to go into the field Right after they come off the apron the state apron So if they do that then we're not going to have a problem But if they go down to the corner further towards where you go into brusseau's pet to go into there Then there's going to be a problem. I can't Imagine how that lays out I don't think it'd be a big issue for them to Strike the paper and not hold us liable or just take and throw it out. That's what I picture Yeah, well, that's what that's what I was Tom says that He really would like to recommend to him to pave it but I mean I told Tom. I said well, I don't want to run way up there to salt Plow and salt 100 yards would it hold up for those? Yeah, I don't know The select boards in charge of roads they have to come to the select board for things like that. Yeah Boy, I would try to get as far away from that as we can. Yeah, you know, like I say we can always just throw it out Mm-hmm, not this board, but the next board right throw it up It's basically a cost saving measure as far as the talent's concerned, right? I mean, we don't do anything to it now brusseau keeps it Fair fair Because if you don't they're not going to get in and out of there. But now if somebody else is using that road That's what you're right And I didn't know how where they were going into that field for their driveway into that field But I'd think they use the existing road cut if they could Especially on a state highway Well, they can't get access to that. That's that's the problem. That's why we can't throw it out Well, you don't have a private road on it Probably that's why the mall it's a whole deal. Gotcha. That's why we own a hundred yards road Owns a hundred. I'll see it I know so we'll give a small truck to go take care of these pieces. Yeah, very small Well, I think you've got my Yeah, okay, you're talking about the ledge. I guess one to let you know that might need a pile of it there Okay, thank you, Tim Board signatures for committee members Yes, and I should have What I've got is the appointment you made at the last meeting David Huber. I need his appointment signed and David is taking Clara Ayer's place and I wrote a thank you note to Clara. You would sign that It has a nice memory Did I read? You haven't seen it, you would That's all I have for that Okay, let's talk with her I'll move to convene the select board and Adjourn the select board and convene the select board We have two applications for license. We have finished the motion. Oh, I'm sorry. We both made it I'm pushing you Okay, no favor. Hi We have two renewals Requested one is CVS pharmacy and the other is Dollar general CVS wants to sell liquor. Well, they they do Class two wine and beer I didn't know we there Must be right You have to get a prescription Get a prescription How am I going to ask all my questions to you? Where are you going? You need stomping ground? And obviously they've had they've had licenses in the past. All right. I moved to approve both Second Any further discussion? All those in favor? All right So we need motion carries signatures on both of these under approved Move the adjourn the liquor board and reconvene the select board Second I just wanted all labor. I could actually say that. That was beautiful Seems too bad. I'm leaving. It's just my last chance, you know What do you mean two more maybe? We could write you in That is sure. Yeah They should do away with pre-tapping. I might though actually last year. I'm willing to be surprised Yeah, actually last year some people somebody wrote you in No Oh You can always decline I think town meetings should go the way of the dinosaur. You think of all the time money and effort and energy this country's Done so we can vote free of fear and retribution and influence and yet we go to town meeting yell at our neighbors at screaming all publicly You missed the u32 meeting Yes, I did The uh, the uh, the uh, the unification meeting. Yeah, boy. Howdy. Did you feel unified? I Brought that whole thing up when I was on the school board I said, this is the money on the Renovation that you take too. We should make them out by your high school and middle school I thought they were going to write me out. It's like paying a town on the rail then I can't have but think back 60 isn't the culprit for all 46 no 60 you know, what were the seven people? Um, um court One person complained. I don't even know if it was unanimous and here we are broke It is vermont's titanic and people are still paying for education all over the state plus the wrong Plus the plus plus the thing it is is that they started off with the gold town theory now every town's a gold town. It's I don't see how you can do it. I mean, it's a wonderful idea But how are we going to pay for it?  Either way, we're having the town administrator's report And my report is short, um, we do I did put out an rfp for the hazard mitigation update Consultant and that is due back on march 7th, and I would like to involve Richardson who is the emergency management director in looking at the proposals as they come back to make a recommendation to you um, so that is on Bubbling, uh, we have the monthly report for the emergency services I think unusual and finally I wanted to Ask you we've got well remind you we have the pre-town meeting march 4th begins at 6 p.m The town meeting is the 5th at 10 a.m. The pre-town meetings in the school library and the town meeting obviously is in the gymnasium And then for those of you that will still be on the board after march 5th Did you want to have a meeting on march 7th? Yes Which is today, which is the thursday after the the meeting. Yeah, the scheduled meeting. So we'll do a regular schedule meeting and yeah, and that should take Okay, we can reorganize the board and get things free. We could read you could reorganize And if there's anything else that comes up after the town meeting Should I have dianne to the manifest for that meeting or the pre-town meeting? She's last year she's usually done it in a pre-town meeting because you're not meeting that week But since your meeting on thursday, I just wait to the I would think you could just wait to the regular meeting So i'm sorry. I missed what time was the the pre-town meeting is at 6 p.m And the town meeting at 10 You know where? How long does it go to three? No the town meeting the town meeting. Oh, it's usually 10 minutes It's two. There's the School goes first this year the meeting usually runs for the town section probably 45 minutes and that's what somebody gets If nobody gets heated it might be 20 Because all the articles are voted on In the voting I mean people have things they might like to chat about but most of it's in the australian ballot Where it should be You know, nobody wants to talk on the floor You get beat up by bob warnick or somebody that's a good public speaker and Why do that just go pull a curtain and put a check in the box Or you can just be quiet I'm gonna throw usually I'm anyway We usually don't leave quietly Stab someone in the eye with his hand. I'm trying to think I think last the last town meeting Even with the school even with the school we were done before For lunch well, I'm always concerned about the fire department's not selling lunch Okay, well, I told the Girl Scouts we were gonna be there from 10 to 3 Well, you know, well, you'll have people they don't want there you can stay If you want because the voting booths will be open. Yeah, we'll be going voting seven seven seven And we can be out. I do I need to call the school and ask I would speak with rosemary or if you'd like me to ask rosemary, but I believe that's what she's going to do I don't mind. Okay. I believe that's what she's going to do. I mean, you'll be there with the Girl Scouts I think if you you can sell out in I'll be into a meeting my daughter will be I have a 20 year old daughter Yeah, they've had people outside. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's I thought you meant I told the Girl Scouts like I'm going to be busy So I have a 20 year old daughter an 18 year old daughter and an eight year old All right, so Yeah, you'd be able to be out there That'll be fine Relatable What's that? Motion to adjourn Just a minute. We're rushing. Yeah, any regular session Dana? I don't have anything Motion to adjourn All in favor, aye


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