re you go All right, cool. Hopefully that helps Uh, let's see Uh, when using separately painted bases after attaching the model later How do you have a good level surface for the miniature's feet, especially with Rough muddy bases. Do you make an imprint earlier? Yes, you can make an imprint or you can push real hard Like I it sounds silly But that's like literally my tactic a lot of the time is I put plenty of glue on their feet And I push the miniature and the and the thing together and I just Squeeze because that like mud and grit and paste and whatever you use is pretty soft So as long as you're not dealing with like actual rock grit, you can generally just push stuff down in And if that doesn't if there's still some space let the glue dry Go back in with just a tiny bit of like plastic putty or something like that and just shove some under their feet It takes eight seconds people are always worried about doing stuff like that about like putting unpainted putty On a model at the end it takes like two seconds to shove that white putty in there It dries in about five minutes and then you just paint over it with dirt And then it just looks like some dirt got up on their feet It even just puts them more in the world. It's seriously the fastest process And and there you go easy breezy beautiful cover girl. There you are So Was the question specifically about muddy bases or was it just in general? Yeah, he he had said like he had asked about He had asked muddy. Yes. Okay. Never then then my suggestion doesn't yeah What was your suggestion? Go ahead for your surface Well, uh, well because I had to do that with the entire storm cast or I mean Because all of them are on clay bricks And like a smarter thing to do would be to like make resin masters like what oscar did and then cast them Again and again like there's only six actual clay bases, but then the rest of them are all solid resin Which is easy to just attach something to because it's one surface But for the bricks because the bricks are clay if you pinch them they crumble And so I had to make sure There um, I couldn't pin them directly to the bases if I pinned through the brick it shatters And I've already I've already painted that brick So I had to plan beforehand like Understand where you want. Well, you're building the base where the miniature is going to stand And then either take a photo of it or use like maybe some dollops of paint or any sort of mechanism that you that you find useful On saying the miniature is going to go here after I have applied a paint to both the miniature and the base And then you build accordingly cool Yeah, also, I just Run a pin and then you can just kind of really force them in there because you got the pin to keep it stable if you have pinned feet Yeah, yeah mud is mud is really forgiving. I currently am doing my bases like that right now, but um My new favorite basic material is ground coffee beans Um, so I'm reusing what what yeah, so what I do is um I obviously use my coffee from the coffee grinder To drink that delicious coffee, then I'll put those ground coffee beans, which are very coarse In the oven for about 10 minutes or 15 minutes to kill the the bacteria Then um, you know, basically glue it on your base and then seal it up And it really gives you some really nice texture that I found that you know Let's say for example your valet hole or even your games workshop basic material It gives you a whole range of different sizes, which is really cool But to to your point literally putting on models and it looks uneven. So Literally what vince said it's so forgiving. You can just muck it all up and it looks like mud. That's that's the beauty of that mud There you go. Absolutely. Uh, and jack by the way, you could have joined absolutely Like I pinged I pinged people I put it in a little chat But uh, but jack I would have you on here in a second. You know it if your if your stuff is packed up That's fine, too. It's your court. You would of course be welcome jack Uh Have you painted or played any malifaux? And if so, do you have a favorite model of action? Yes, I I I have and The never born were I think pretty cool.  Oh tom He's always going to be different. That's why we love him. He couldn't just send me a text Why not? Why would that happen to my phone over here? No That would be fine Is he joining the stream very late or not? He'll he'll be joining. Yes All right If you don't mind I'd like to hop off in like 15 20 minutes so I can make food That's fine. Yeah. Yeah, and then I have um, I actually have uh, um, uh Coaching conference this evening with erin Oh nice very good. Well tell him I said hi and I hope he's doing well. Is he done with his move? Wait, um, all of that cut out. Could you repeat it please? Tell him I said hi and is he done with his move? I will ask him that later. There you go. All right, cool. Yeah And that's erin erin lovejoy for those who I have no idea who we're talking about. Yeah, um, yeah So, but honestly, uh, raspy teen is my favorite girl that I ever painted.  Uh, let's see Uh, quiet side said do you think this will be a good this is a good question. Here we go. All right, gentlemen opinion time again Do you think that war gaming miniatures nowadays are too busy with adornments? So like and then he gives an example, but so the question is do you like a more or less? Adorned miniature Where where are you sitting at on the realm of let's say ogre glutton? Being at the low end Just is about attacks and it's like do you want do you want minimalism or maximalism? Sure, and there's room and there's room for both Especially with if we want as much diversity as possible in this in this strategy game That's a very political answer Yeah, now now let's hear some real answers. No, I'm just okay I mean, well, like my my favorite army is high elves is what you're covered in detail So that's my answer.  Yeah, so there's my action my personal answer. All right fair enough. Okay. What do you got? Uh, I am blessed to play the free people empire which come with both So they are minimalist But there is a whole bunch of kits that allow me to Make them all fancy where with feathers and really cool stuff So I prefer the low end of the scale and having less on the miniature That allows me to add my own flair to my miniatures with additional things. So Uh, take me on the low end. All right, right on morocke um, uh, I'd have to say that if it depends on the volume so like If I've got a paint Like 40 dudes and they're covered in like a bunch of details. I don't want to do that I don't want anything zangor for example like foot zangor, right Where they're just swimming with nonsense all over them and you got it. You got to have a good number of them Yeah, that's that's a no. Thank you like Like like your your umgore level of detail for stuff like that Like you get to play around with some flesh tones. There's different textures on the miniature as well so you've got fur and stuff and But when it comes to like heroes and stuff. Oh, yeah, put all the detail you want in there because I'm gonna haveish attention on that guy anyway So you might as well add all the bejangles you want on there But so yeah for for characters and stuff. I like quite a bit of detail, but for my like bigger units and Keep it simple Agreed That's I think that's where I come down like I I hate too much over detail on miniatures It's one of the things that honestly concerns me a little on the new sisters Like there's they're very small and they're just very packed with like a lot of detail and a lot of little nonsense things And I honestly like it when I as the artist get to make some decisions about like volumes and And how I want to do things and explore with freehand or not like Negative space is fun and you get to feel it like the ogres were so pleasant to paint They were just absolute pleasant from top to bottom because they have these big well defined muscle structures and like You know big fabric but you can do stuff like I could add some texture if I wanted to I could add tattoos Like I had space to work the model didn't dictate everything to me Right. I got I felt the same way I felt the same way with my gits. I painted 160 gits and they're just simple But there's so much I could do on those robes and there's not too much bejanglings Yeah, exactly like I see people do cool stuff like put checks and daggs on the moon clan robes and stuff like that Right, that's so you can paint it simple or you can paint it complicated Right you can go either way Yeah, joe. What do you what do you think you're an ogre fan? Well before you answered I was gonna I was gonna frame mine. Like I guess I'm the boring guy in a certain way But no, I care more about silhouette and movement For like the model more than what the details are exactly right rather I'd rather things just be simpler and more elegant than have doodads all over it or stuff pressed into the skin or standing on some little skull thing or Danglies all over the place. It's it's nice to have those as an option And I'm always happy when a kit comes with a whole bunch of crap you can put on your guys as an as an option But I guess I just uh, I'm I'm more simple.  I mean you face.  You can do that. You just want it to be red. You can do that You catch her on a mountain and a wolf. Yeah You do both also. Tom's joined us. Hi Tom. Welcome Hey, hello friends Hey Tom Tom where you come down on this in the in the more complex to less complex miniatures. How do you feel? hard pass I want to get my models painted. Yeah Yes, and just get it done. Okay, like and like I mean Yeah, I just want it done Anything that's gonna make that worse is a problem. Go ahead I was gonna say do you still believe that after doing 2000 rivets on your uh, k-o ship?  It has some nice like differences And like it paints super quickly Yeah, and like in it and nicely as well Like I'm not talking about doing like a junk job on like the color transitions or the ghost and just a single wash That's what I'm talking about But like What it is just simply makes it go fast because of how they've decided to do the models and what they've decided to include in not right So i'm over here in a corner by myself with my fancy clothes and all the all the jangles Yes Yeah, don't get me wrong High elves did it well and and that's what I like the most about them No, they didn't no I painted an island of blood set basically and it was like one of my first painting experiences and one of my worst Because there was just so many everything Of like and it all needed to be different colors in order for it to really like pop and do the right thing And so like the little golden allegory and the little dangles off the spear Yeah, like it's just all of it Sword master is my favorite model I am I am holding on the 60 of them for when I make a great sword unit for cities of sigmar or cities of elves or whatever Whatever the the faction name will be and then i'm going to make a free city's version of that And all of those island of blood sword masters you painted those are going right on bases as great swords I love those and it's fine That that is fine my big problem Is like the loathor and seaguard like These sword masters were actually the easier paint job the loathor and seaguard were the ones that broke me Yeah, because they had every they have lamella. Yeah, they have leather That's like actually the wave pattern below the the scale and then they had a plate armor with gems.  Hey, it it it was just It like it was the worst. Well, and the best is after you're done with all that you get a loathor and seaguard right It's not right That's not a great reward at the end of that the end of that journey It's not like I have a unit of zangor because zangor are the same thing Like they're just the worst and they have all the textures. Yeah Yeah, but you're done. You've got zangor Right, and you're like, yeah, I got zangor, you know, but like that's that's not the world we live in right now with elves Um, that said I have not learned my lesson. I just had a sky cutter chariot. She'll remember the locks this week, so I mean It happens. Sure. Somebody reached out to me and they're like, hey, I'm at a store and they have everything old Do you want anything and I'm like, yes, what do they have of elf? So I got a couple more elf chariots. I got uh Did you get my lion chariots? So that's what I'm saying like the elf chariots Some of those when I bought when I bought three boxes of them. I know Yep, I could feel at least nine at this point. I do I could feel at least nine at this point That's not really matters. It's being able to field 18 converted white lion demograph calf. That's what matters here Three units of six. I get it. So I'm so in the corner of like of liking all of the bullshit that that they put on models because I think it's great I I think it's actually in like an intimidation factor where like they're just covered in this elegant And it's like sort of like order it's not like slanash, which is just pure excess And I think that's part of like what like drew me to high elves Well, very very, yeah, very very baroque style sort of ornamentation It is definitely intimidation, but it's intimidation for painters I mean, um, so uh, tom were you watching that were you listening in the beginning of the stream at all? Not at all All right, so what I'm working on right now and through the end of Thanksgiving is I'm working on a 75 millimeter high elf king I think I put him in the chat yesterday Yeah, yeah And yeah, and he's all of those Uh, well, I'm painting him like because the the company doesn't exist anymore So I'm not painting him as a statue I'm painting him as a real health and all of the details that are like on lothern seaguard times 1000 Yeah, yeah, it's glory.  Like that's like scaled eight right. Yeah Yeah, because like I just like like you can never get small enough With that that's it's it can always be smaller I've only I've been painting wolves for I don't know how long so it's just the eyes are just yellow. That's it About three years Yes, all the time Uh nick asked tom. Are you making doordan handgunners and thunders? Like are you are you making gunners that are made out of dwarfs handgunners out of door? Nope. Nope No, I believe in my dispossessed brethren Oh and iron drakes Yeah, so I have iron drakes all the iron drakes and um iron drakes were to end up today at crimbo bow I don't know if you watched any of the coverage, but they were doing That's they were scary. There was many tables reporting power with iron drakes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah They are a good unit. I believe there was like an army that lined up against us. It's obviously it's a team game, right? So it's a it's a yeah It's like havoc team But there was uh one of the teams was like, uh, there was a slanesh thing going on and the person That was trying to it packed in two keepers, you know into their thousand point army And I believe like iron drakes and a couple other shooting units dropped the first turn and killed both keepers outright And that was only two heroes. Yep Like enjoy your useless depravity your duck now amazing No, it's and like for 150 points like they are They are well-costed Um, they're particularly effective right now obviously because bridge allows you to send multiple small units across And they're basically all at 20 shots when they when they pop on the other side of the bridge Well, happy birthday the grand wombat. He said it's his birthday today as well 11 23. It's a great day for a birthday That's a good birthday day That's all I'm saying Uh Yeah, all right rock and roll uh Chuck said he likes the detail and hi I was with the level of detail on the blood row blood rivers was too much for him Yeah, I don't know. I thought the blood rivers were okay I I thought they were fine Like they were too bad. Wait the blood rivers like what are you talking about? Are you talking about like a corn? Barberines? Yes. Do you mean? Blood warriors, I thought blood rivers are okay blood warriors are more annoying because they do that thing Chaos does where they have like an armor plate surrounded by a Piece of metal. That's my least favorite thing Every everything has to have a trim. I don't I don't get that Yeah, my dwarves right now everything has a trim like all the dis was us in a pain, but it looked really It looked really good on the varingard like their armor with the trim is sharp as all get out Oh, I mean sure, but you want to talk about over designed miniatures Like sure the varingard are like the the poster boys for over design But you know, but like what are you gonna paint six of them in your entire life?  You know, I don't know. We'll find out in a month. I guess We'll find out in a month. Yeah, probably like two to three weeks now at this point. So there you go Yeah, we'll see arkeon plus uh 12 varingard 2000 points, you know Instead of nine Yeah, instead of nine I mean Remember Remember varingard starting cost and they've gone down something like 60 a year for four years And they were Wonder what there was 360 They were 120 points a model They yeah, they they were 120 points a model Which was the same as the drakoffs riders when they were like competitive But you only had to pay for two drakoffs We had to pay for three varingard So it's like 240 for two fulminators or 360 for three varingard and fulminators Especially back then when people were like legit taking them. It was like no contest Yeah Yep When they come back out, obviously, they'll be uh, they'll be 30 points for for three. So, you know, just standard Right. Yeah And have good allegiance abilities. Sure checks out. Yep Uh, I all right guys, if you don't mind i'm gonna hop off by marty. Thanks for hanging out buddy Again, yeah, welcome and happy birthday again. Thanks for letting me uh, come on and everybody have a good night Same to you sir. Say my youtube man No, I I agree like very good By all means Of course, I was very glad to have you sir. Appreciate you being here Thanks, Joe. See you later, buddy Yeah All right I I'm leaving it. I'm gonna just prep you. I'm leaving a couple minutes. I figured you were just dropping in for a few minutes That's okay. We're not gonna be here super much longer. This isn't like an all day thing Uh, this is yeah, we're we're already Three hours.  I'm not worried about that. I I hope everybody's watching is having a good time I like all the discussions that people have suggested that's been great It's awesome Uh, I just have to actually play a warhammer game As as crazy as that is uh, who else coming overnight? Uh, just it's gonna be a small game. So what it's it's unusually a one-on-one game tonight. So there you go What are you taking I don't know yet This is a thing that plagues me every time so every time I sit down to play because because of the How many armies do you have 13 now? Um, and it's that's not trying to clearly play ogres What's that? Like you just you just painted them go actually take the ogres out for a spin Sure, I could take the ogres out for spin. Well, that's what I was going to say Is that like every time I I I sit down to play I have a lot of uh, I have a lot of consternation over Exactly what to pick and play with like oh, whoa, whoa, whoa is me right like what a What a what a miniatures first world problem that is um But uh, you know, I like playing my iron jaws a lot Obviously should not slanesh is on the shelf. So that's not a problem. No no issue there Uh, but like I like to play in the jaws. I like getting my skaven out. That's always fun I especially like running, you know weird skaven armies Like we're because we're not playing highly competitive games. So I like to play like weird skaven armies Uh, like doing a full mold or build or something like that is fun those kinds of things So, yeah, I don't know I really should I mean, I guess I have to kind of adjust my army number In that two of those armies I'm counting are Bretonia and two kings, but I suppose they are Theoretically legal now that they're sitting in the compendium. There's your museum, right? Yeah, they're in the museum. Yeah, no, you're just you're just ahead of the matter for the old world Game coming I'm way ahead of the game Got two armies ready to go Uh, there's there's some number of those tomb kings that are on round bases, but very little Which you might say, why would you rebase part of an army? The answer is because I don't care Uh, I rebased part of it because I needed to take some photos of it for tyler When he did the the the the uh his tomb kings army project. So I rebased him of mine to add some photos for him Man, that was a good book. That was such a cool book It was a great book. He did a great job. Yes, exactly LV like, uh It's I have all these beautiful RVs woe is me. Yeah 100% Oh, jeez feel bad for me and my decision my my indecision But no, I'll probably play the ogres just because why not it'll be I imagine my opponent will be playing corn So that'll be a good match corn against ogres is fun Two armies that want to get in and punch each other real hard is a good time Seems Yeah, that's legit seems like ogres chew that one out I don't know I mean the like especially if you're going MSU ogres that might actually not end well for you because of the, uh That just means late term blood bloodthirster for them. Sure. Yeah, but it's his birthday So if they beat him on his birthday that your opponent's a jerk Nah, not at all. It's it's going to be a fun game either way. I love I love playing corn. It's always fun Like corn is such a fun army to play against Uh It's a fun army to to like we talked about it a little earlier and you know, one of the challenges is the whole like, um It is kind of a fiddly ish army But but at the same time it does have bloodtide itself as a concept Is like one of the better concepts they've ever come up with Now we can talk about like the execution of how it turns into summoning and all that Yep, and maybe that's off or whatever, but you're just saying that there's there's consolation prizes Yes, like being rewarded for losing units Is incredibly fun because then even if you lose a unit you're like about bloodtithe point you get the corn consolation prize Right and that's just so like there's a little positive thing that happens every even if you if one of your units gets wiped out Uh, that's great Yeah, uh, yeah, and and there's someone who plays a lot against a lot of corn. They're probably one of my favorite I played uh, one of astrali's best players the other week matt campbell and I did lose at the end But it's always a good game. I think we lose a draw against corn. You always have a good time. So Um, I haven't yet to be proven wrong on that one. So uh, I I agree like they always feel like they're playing a Compelling game with you right and like there they have some tricks, but it's not overwhelming You're not trying to keep a million things in your mind But you got to watch that bloodtithe because it might suddenly charge you or fight you in the hero phase or just do crazy stuff So like they're just fun to play against, you know, it depends on what kind of list you're playing as well um Because like I'm not thinking of like I will agree I'm thinking of like more of the mortal based force than like the Four bloodthirster kind of council of blood spam Well, like let me say it this way I don't think I've ever lost against any game against corn Okay, that's a bold statement I'm thinking through sure No, like I like I I honestly whether it's like friendly local games or event games I don't know that I've ever lost a game against corn and I think it might be because of the types of armies that I play sure like Some like because of the matchups the corn Yeah, go ahead go ahead Tom I was just saying because of the way that some of the matchups like because of the way the types of tools that I bring to the table Like it makes a lot of corn matches non-starters for them Gotcha I mean, that's right. You know, I don't feel bad about that But it's just like it's because of the weaknesses of that that army I I love playing against corn. It's it's always amazing It it's always amazing because I don't know the the corn army feels very like Urgent Like everything has to happen right now, you know what I mean like they're rushing across the board to get into combat with you They're Everything's moving as fast as it possibly can like everything feels like it's two minutes to midnight in the game and I don't I just I love that like high intensity like I'm gonna get you I'm gonna get you All right, right on Tom. There's a question in the chat here. I want you to answer Okay Here we go. Oh who Tom I want Tom to answer it All right, here's the question Tom if you were using ko bits for converting ogres into mildly fancy lads And you had to pick one ko kit for bits. Which one? What do you mean mildly fancy lads? I don't know like just I imagine Imagine what he means How do you make ogres fancy lads using some ko bits?   He's got something I know something fancy You've got a whole bunch of feathers in that that as well as other nice little fancy things you can add to your ogres So forget the dwarves. It's all about the humans. I mean if I was going to do that I honestly would make a bunch of green stuff top hats And then stick feathers in like the bands around the top hat from the free guild stuff Um, that's fancy to me. That's classic Um, you could go the you could go the funny route as well and just like cut the faces off of the The ko heads and just sort of crudely put them on and then green stuff straps on the back So the ogres are wearing these masks that are too small for their faces I like bang masks from ko That would be I mean, I think your best bet like I've been so I think you're correct Your best bet would be that like if any heads fit it's going to be the endringer heads, right? Because they have these super long beards And they are like disproportionately a little bit larger than the rest of the ko heads So I think that's your best bet from ko That said like I I'll bet you could order like 35 millimeter straw hats What's fancy about a straw hat hold on wait for it and then do like like Green stuffed overalls and you could make a bunch of Cajuns making gumbo Like that's a project That's a project that I've been dreaming about doing like an ogre like Like Cajun theme so instead of like saber tigers you have like alligators Get the necromunda alligators. Oh you could do that or like I think titan ford used to have um They used to have a bunch of ogres in this like vein Yeah, no, I saw one on ebay. It's been there for about 12 months. Uh, yeah, exactly 400 bucks, but it's a sweet ogre Yeah, I know I'm going to check titan ford again. It makes me wonder Oh, they're the blood blood sale island. So they're their blood sale is mostly like pirate ogres Like that's what they're going for is the pirate ogres Um, but you could still use their alligators because they have like the gator cannon Which actually looks like a Oh, see that That's what i'm talking about hold on Oh, no, tom's down a rabbit hole. I am he's now. No, he's a player. He's excited now Here you go. We're sharing screen. We're going in here. So here's the gator cannon I'll lock on you real quick tom so he doesn't go away There's the gator cannon. Look at that bad boy You have a bunch of gators There's a scrap launcher right there. Yeah, that's or yeah. Yeah, it needs to be a scrap launcher not a Not the other one Um the bad one and uh, so that's one of them. Hold on wait for it and then talk about fancy Look at this. Look at this snake fighter. Look at this dude's top hat He's brock. He's brock of ogres It is Yeah, look at him. Look at this. Look look at this calf. You have some morn fang there scuba steve in the back Just saying do do like some of the uh, sculpt these in and do the uh, the resin bases. Um So you do the water just saying like there's Doing doing cajun slash ogres and you use some top hat in there be be amazing and here's scuba steve, obviously That's a that's a crab All right, is it? Is that what I'm saying? No, it's it does say gator crab, but it's because the guy I think has crab claws Ah, yeah Yeah, he has a he like his one arm is a crab claw the claw It's saying lots of really interesting conversions and you could get some of the fancy stuff. Um uh Now I wouldn't yeah I mean they have some good all pirate stuff here. This is neat. I like this he's saying you can your ogres can be both fancy boys and Can can also have a distinctly Caribbean feel all the same time Right like that was that was part of the culture was to these two Like for the uh, you know, like they had the they had the Well, I'm not gonna go like that. Anyways, yes, you could do something like that. It'd be neat And some of these guys should have great top hats like imagine this guy with goggles and top hat right there. Bam We look wonderful So that would be an easy way to do it. Um Rather than using ko bits. I just I don't know that ko is is the right like thing for that. Does that make sense? sure Uh, somebody asked where they can get the mug We had run a thing a little while back where we did some merchandise. We did a single order Uh, the answer is hopefully at some point in the future I am able to basically host it somewhere where I can just actually have it readily available So at the moment do this saratoza In the vampires that were very much that The ship that crashed into into lustry. I know I thought that would be a sweet narrative and it'd be such a cool army to do Um, so yeah, I'm on board tom Yeah, like my struggle is this like so I have basically like I have a the makings of an ogre army like I like Because I've been reselling feast of bones um, or I I got some boxes sold off all the The one guys and so I have a bunch of ogres and Like I saw I'm like most of the way to an army, right? I'm I'm right now. I'm still planning on selling them like I'm not starting a new army like to be very clear I'm planning on selling these guys We all hear this is I thought about like well, maybe I do in our ogre army in the new year And the reality is is like it just wasn't compelling Like the aesthetic of the like big, you know, the big boy Blood spattered Like I just it wasn't it didn't catch my fancy And like I love the mechanics and I love all that but I don't like the aesthetics um And that's really a problem and so I don't know maybe the titan forge stuff is the right the right way to go Like if I wanted to do an ogre army pick up a bunch of their stuff and go with like the pyrovers With ko being rumored to get a new book. Is it really worth it as well? It's probably might be 2021 kind of like I mean I got bird uh by picking up like 3000 points of silvaneth. I picked up I was gonna convert a ryan out of uh madness and do his cool stuff And then literally the book when silvaneth dropped was the same afternoon that cities of sygma was announced So, uh, I am very cautious these days Yeah, I mean like dude, I think you're dead on because at the end of the day like Give me just one second. Hold on tom. Hold on Uh Because Emily said it cut out when I was talking about merchandise stuff So I just want to answer that real quick the answer is at some point in the future We will have it hosted somewhere where it is available. There you go. Okay. Please continue, john Yeah, I mean I think at the end of the day my challenge is um Like I'm at a place now where like I've been playing my night haunt. I have my night haunt I can I can easily pop that out to to 2k Um, like and and like so that's not a struggle at all I'm working on my dwarves now Like my expanding out so that I have like a true city's dispossessed force um, but I also have a full fireslayer force that I could finish up And chaos about to get refreshed and so like I'm in a really good spot for a competitive play because I have all new books that I can basically bounce between fireslayers cities and Um and and the new ko pretty easily Um And so it's real hard for me to even want to finish my night haunt or my like my elf soul You know, like my soul stealing project when I have this other stuff that like You know, I really enjoy like and I've really enjoyed painting and And doing so um, I agree with you like it's real hard for me to begin to even consider a new army When I have a bunch of stuff that I've been working on but I'd love to see realize You know, I have all the models for a pure um gloom like a pure spider fang loom spite army right And not only that like not just spiders. That's not what I mean. I mean like I have Yeah, I I remember you going out and buying the um the scuttle. No, what's it called the um, yeah Yeah, like that when when you mentioned it and I'm like, oh, would that be a cool idea? I'd love to see that realize on the table Like I have 150 of those guys From silver tower. Wow um, and so like or more Like let me clarify or more and I have at least one unit of uh, a 20 man of of spider Like of the archers that were on the arachnid rock So 20 of the archers on the arachnid rock based as like foot archers So I could at least do like two melee blocks and And I think I maybe I may have actually gotten the whole 180 of doing two melee blocks of 60 Of the the spiderlings and then a 60 block of the archers and then a 20 foot block So like I could do like a standard gloom spite thing of all spiders in addition to an arachnid rock and all But you know, like I also have like 80 80 actual spider writers um so Like I could do the full spider Uh Gloom spite build as well And that's another thing that I like so I have these other projects that are better passion projects that are hobby projects That I'd love to just keep working on and expanding And so it's real hard for me to really like get into any of these other armies when I just have things I can do That I enjoy that are competitive um Sure, but I don't know it's fair. I could do uh, I could do uh A pirate caribbean ogre's army Yeah, I I feel you I mean I could drive with my feet doesn't make it a good idea and We live in a world where we have too much good hobby going around We do we do it's so true like it's so hard like when You know us content creators, right? We're always talking about uh new armies And you know you get passionate people about these armies and they start unlocking this Oh, that'd be really cool.  So it becomes a very very hard challenge It's uh, it's easy to get swept up when you're when you when you're sort of Tasked with talking about everything right as part of what you're like, okay It's time to it's time to buckle down. It's time to do something serious. So now we do this Um really good pirate See no bloods No, like yeah, doom for noblars. That's exactly right. So do like pirate halflings and then do these blood sail ogres For like as pirates as well That's so cool.  We're back. Sorry everyone I'm gonna figure this stream problem out. I promise at some point I'm saying there might be some pretty easy conversions there And that might make a really interesting army Sure, give me give me a good reason to to bring out the uh the halfling hot pot Right like when you do the hot pot for the the junk mob Like the uh the scrap launcher you do you like you do Maybe it's my terrain piece. Maybe it's the maw pot No, the the maw pot's a big gumbo pot okay Maybe the check the check can help us. Maybe they can guide us to how we how we create this dream So i'm thinking about Yeah, I don't know. I need to think about it. I don't need to start a new army like at the end of the day But don't you I don't are you sure I've made it. I've made it 11 months. Do you know that 11 months without starting a new army? Well one, that's a lie, but okay and two What army have I started you did like a whole army of ghosts you're adding a bunch of stuff here No, no, no, I had all those models Uh-huh, uh-huh Like those were literally models on my shelf. I put together and just uh and painted. I understand that's still doing a new army I the the promise was I would not start any army, but I did not already have models for Well, that's see that's not even really that much of a commitment Your your shelves are packed to the ceiling you could do seven You could not buy anything for the next 12 years And only hobby and you would still have you would still not be through your stack of nonsense Uh, first of all, I've gotten rid of a lot of my nonsense.  So either you've just moved them off camera or you've actually flipped them No, I have like I've I've I've liquidated down to like I still have a pretty strong nergal force that I need to paint up Um, I have a pretty significant storm cast force I have a pretty significant night haunt that I need to paint My son's iron jaws, which he's been working on Um, and then I still have a remnants of like I have a big hyalpharmy and I have a big tomb kings army um And then my orcs like in my orcs or my gobble. I'm sorry not my orcs my goblin like spider fang stuff um, I have a little bit of a remnant of Zinch that I don't know what to do with because I like back when you could summon demons I had like I painted up 10 pink horrors 20 brims 20 Like 20 blue horse 20 brims um for just summoning purposes um And so like I'm like I have a start on a zinch army if I wanted to do that Um, I have some like zangor and stuff like that as well So when the book drops like I'll say this if they do a double box of zinch and ko this february um I could definitely see me starting both of those armies Good lord, and you want to start an ogre army as well? And I you know, I thought about an ogre. I don't know like um Yeah Yeah, the impetus for that has passed. Let me say that way uh for the ogre army product like largely because Originally like the talk was I was going to do um Like I was potentially going to do that as my 1k force for a depticon Yeah, I was gonna say like that could be like a good holy wars a depticon type thing But you know, do you want to do to it 2k? Maybe not? Maybe not maybe not So but like but I'm not gonna do that for my 1k. I think we're gonna do all death, which will be fun So I'll play my My night haunt for that. I think um stay tuned next week to find out what they switched to next 17 different ideas have been floated since you decided you're gonna do this teams event. I can't wait I feel like this is something that people your your viewers need to clip and uh when you get to the episode of what you're actually gonna run We can play off all this theory. Well, so my teams by the way have completely changed We were aiming for like a hobby like a very strong hobby team Um, and then we ran into some hiccups of scheduling and basically everybody from that are a lot of people My two of my four people of the team had had to drop or dropped um, and so it went from that to um a bunch of like streamers and internet famous people And so that's the new team and we completely went from like a cities of sigmar concept Which i'm glad because it seems like a lot of people are doing that now And I think we're gonna go all death, which will be fun Because who doesn't like ocr phone reverse? Sure Any ocr phone reverse tom? Nope. Nope. I'm doing night hot. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay Mm-hmm I'm doing ghosts. Sure. No, I I believe you I totally believe you I'm doing I am doing ghosts Um, he did he did say he's he bought a whole bunch of those pieces of bones and flipped them and he's now got a Lot of awks. That's an awk. Okay. So Like yeah, I did not keep any of those models Um, and like the other people are all doing ocr not all of them to like two of them I think so two of us are gonna one's gonna two are gonna do ocr probably I'm gonna do night hot and then I think we the port player might do fec so Gonna be fun be fun You could pretty easily even in the format of like not duplicating scrolls that aren't battle line You could easily do like three three ocr lists Um, you couldn't duplicate petrofex, which would be the crime Um, but you could do you have it with that point zine. No, I don't say you need a null myriad Yeah, but if I got two battle line choices But you can duplicate them But like that's the key is that like any pure battle line for the team's event you can duplicate So if it's not battle line if it's just battle line, you can duplicate those units, which guess what? More tech and cav done All right. Yeah, that's that changes things a little bit I play in team tournaments where you can't duplicate any war scroll So that would put that would put the three out, but if you can duplicate battle line different story Yeah, because like you could go with like a heavy crawler list You could go with just a heavy more tech list and you could go with a heavy Um, harvest realist Like like harvester and and and more tech and those is just more tech Or cav um, and then like arc and leading one and then you got some bone shapers leading one and Yeah, lots of options there I'm just doing ghosts though I might try something new maybe the legion at grief. That'll be fun No, I'm I'm sure you're just gonna be doing ghosts. I I would I have no reason to think otherwise so But there's no chance at all as far as I could tell that at that uh two weeks from now You would have a completely different idea It just it just wouldn't occur I I am I think we can all just lock it in now And and yes heroes and bosses. Yes. It is my 40th birthday today. That's that's the the reason for the season as it were Uh, unfortunately, I'm gonna have to bail on us now. So that's okay.   Thank you so much for hanging out. This has been absolutely wonderful Thank you for all the birthday wishes wishes not witches Although if you want to send some of those along that's fine, too, I suppose But, uh, thank you for all the birthday wishes. Thank you everybody For having a birthday to you. Stop that. Stop it Happy birthday to you Happy birthday, divin. Although you do Happy birthday to you No demonetization done Please don't worry about copa. It's all about I've just democratized the whole stream. Yeah, exactly No, but seriously, thank you everyone, uh for for hanging out. This has been great A wonderful way to celebrate becoming Middle-aged. I couldn't be happier about it Looking forward to many more happy years of of hanging out with all of you coach tom everybody else who was here Thank you so much guys And to all of you out there. Have a great rest of your weekend and we'll see you next week as normal Bye. Bye