Welcome to Madronigal, a matchless land portfolio and residential sanctuary arrived to a grand two-story atrium with a towering fireplace and abundant natural light. In September 2022, Oprah Winfrey decided to sell one of her large estates in Monocito, California in two separate transactions which combined for around 17 million dollars. She purchased the property only a year earlier in 2021 for 10.5 million dollars and has sold each parcel to friends of hers, one being Jennifer Aniston who purchased the Mediterranean main house property for almost 14.8 million dollars. A far cry from the Mississippi Woodshack Oprah grew up in, she now presides over a handful of multi-million dollar homes in her real estate portfolio. The successful billionaire continues to own the 30 million dollar compound beside the spot she recently sold to Aniston and of course her main residence called Promise Land which is a sprawling 66 acre estate with 20,000 square foot mansion also in Monocito. And those are just a couple of Oprah's properties. Also Michael and I have dropped our own house tour of our new home that we moved into this year so go ahead and subscribe to our personal channel if you want to see where we're living and more of what we're up to. In these videos we don't reveal any addresses and even though I've done a house tour of my own place please do not show up at any private residences because it's not safe for anyone. While Oprah Winfrey lords over multiple homes she added one to her portfolio in 2021 but offloaded it just a couple of months ago to a particularly famous friend. In early 2021 the media mogul dished out a reported 10.5 million dollars on a multi-parcel spread in her favorite area of Monocito California which she bought off of New York hedge fund manager Fred Schumann and his wife. They're the ones who put together the 2.1 acre spread over many years. Recently Monocito has become a hot spot for celebrity real estate where the likes of famous home flippers such as Ellen DeGeneres and Adam Levine have collected fortunes from buying and selling some of the area's richest estates. We also know that Oprah herself loves Monocito due to the fact that she owns multiple properties here including her long-time main residence Promised Land. This property which Oprah recently sold in two separate transactions included a Mediterranean main mansion, two small cottages and stunning grounds. The two transactions of her property reportedly earned Oprah a total of around 17 million dollars. She split the estate in two and both buyers were her friends. The first sale going through in mid-August 2022 which was the half with the small cottages selling for $2.3 million to her personal trainer and property manager Bob Green. Then a week later or so Oprah sold the other half which included the main Mediterranean mansion to none other than her actress friend Jennifer Aniston for nearly $14.8 million. Sadly there are no interior photos of the home gen purchased from Oprah but we do know the villa's documents show some details. Built in 1998 the home which is reportedly a Tuscan style farmhouse underwent a major renovation in 2008 after the last owners purchased it. Today the mansion is built in a bit of a U-shape and offers over 4,000 square feet of space along with four bedrooms, three full baths and one half bath. There is also a small detached guest house or structure which could be an office or standalone gym on the very private one acre property which is also shrouded by plenty of woods and foliage. Jen's new estate further boasts grassy lawns, manicured gardens, entertaining terraces, mature oak trees and a driveway and motor court with room for 15 cars or more. This long driveway is gated for more privacy while the home itself can't be seen from the street. Finally the home also has the bonus of panoramic ocean and mountain views according to an old listing material for the property. Oprah still owns many other homes including the massive estate next door to this one which is a 30 million dollar compound purchased in 2012. Not to mention her main residence the 66 acre promise land is also in Monocito so let's take a look at that one next. Way back in 2001 Oprah was invited to a party at a dreamy estate in the picture perfect neighborhood of Monocito near Santa Barbara and the rest was history. She fell in love with the peaceful 42 acre property so much that she persuaded the owners Robert and Marlene Vellos to sell the place even though it wasn't on the market. Oprah wrote up a check for about 52 million dollars and began making this place now called the promise land her very own. She named the property this to symbolize her journey from rags to riches as it's taken from a biblical reference for an African-American woman living in paradise whose ancestors were slaves. Oprah's home is decidedly paradise estimated to be worth about a hundred million dollars these days after several additions. The main mansion was built in 1912 originally but underwent extensive renovations to make it its current size of 23 thousand square feet and to suit Oprah's specific tastes. There are more than six beds and 14 baths throughout as well as 10 cozy fireplaces. While Oprah bought the main property back in 2001 later in 2016 she purchased a piece of land known as Seamer Farm spanning over 23 acres directly beside it for over 28 million dollars. This additional property boasts a 5,000 square foot ranch style home, a pool, horse stables, caretaker cabin, equestrian ring and even orchards. Furthermore, Oprah bought another 44 acre preserve on the other side of her property to get the ultimate privacy. These days the Promised Land spans over 70 acres near the beaches and the mountains. Oprah's main home is designed in a classic neo-Georgian style and the main entryway has a winding staircase and high ceilings. Personalized with photos of loved ones so the star can see them upon first walking into her house. In fact, as her forever home Promised Land is where Oprah and her long-term partner Stedman Graham love to spend time and they have decorated the place full of mementos, books and artwork. The home has been thoughtfully put together over the years and Oprah runs her business empire from the property too. When she's unwinding sometimes she even posts pics hanging with her dogs here on Instagram. The kitchen is the heart of Oprah's mansion and it's a spot where she and her loved ones can get together and kick back. The TV icon had the fireplace and pizza oven removed to create more space here but left the rest as it was. Altogether her mansion boasts several living rooms, a library, kitchen, two movie theaters, an office and a wine cellar. Also on Oprah's property she has a fully redecorated and elegant guest house as well as a tea house. Her tea house is set right in the middle of the garden and it was originally built as a place to cut flowers but she changed her mind and made it a space for herself. She also said she comes to the tea house to read, meditate and enjoy a cup of tea. The grounds of Oprah's mansion are truly a sanctuary with perfectly manicured lawns, gardens with roses and lilies and amazing views of the ocean and mountaintops. On one of the combined properties Oprah also has a large pool surrounded by palm trees, a gorgeous patio and nearby a koi pond all creating the perfect space to entertain or relax. In 2019 Oprah also reportedly bought another home in Montecito off of actor Jeff Bridges. This property spans 4 acres and is next to her main estate costing her $6.9 million dollars. Bridges apparently spent a fortune remodeling the Spanish revival style so it was a surprise he didn't hike up the price to sell it to Oprah considering he bought it for basically the same price in 2014. Either way this home was tastefully restored offering common rooms like a living area with white walls, vaulted wood ceilings, large windows and a cozy fireplace. The rustic yet minimalistic style continues in the kitchen where there's a wooden ceiling with skylights, custom wood cabinets to match and a marble topped island. Over in the master suite there are exposed beams, bay windows and French doors out to the yard along with highlights like a massive walk-in closet, an en suite with soaking tub and more. Out on the grounds of this property you'll find a swimming pool and spa area, a pool house, a carriage house that's been transformed into an art studio as well as a red brick terrace to lounge or entertain. Prior to securing this place in 2018 Oprah decided to purchase another peaceful and picturesque property. This one not in Montecito. Tucked between Seattle and Vancouver there are the San Juan Islands made up of four main islands accessible by Washington state ferries. One of these is Orca's Island where Oprah snagged a 43 acre compound called the Madron Eagle Estate. Oprah's getaway here is completely private with two waterfront pieces of land and 3,000 feet of shoreline. It costs her 8.2 million dollars for this expansive property and inside the residence measures in it over 7,300 square feet with four beds, three full baths and two half baths. The main residence is three floors and made with stone accents and natural woods used throughout which create the all-american luxury cabin feel. As you enter the home you're greeted by a massive hanging art piece that frames the entryway and sets the stage for what's to come. The main level is home to the kitchen with pizza oven and skylights, living room, dining area and bedrooms. Oprah's master suite features a stone wall with wood accents and a marble spa like en suite. There's also a library corner in the home with floor-to-ceiling bookshelves which I'm sure is a feature book-loving Oprah takes advantage of. Also on the lower level there's a home office complex, wine cellar and a tasting room. A custom-built staircase leads to the upper level where there's a huge bonus room or family room as well as a fully stocked games room. Outside is as lush as you might expect with native trees and plants manicured perfectly. Stone paths weave through the gardens which completes the peaceful earthy landscape and that's not all. Of course Oprah also needs room for her traveling entourage which the gallery house is perfect for. The contemporary guest house on the property is just under 3,000 square feet and has four beds and three baths all set on a high cliff perched above a private beach. Other features on her Orca's Island property include a tea house underneath the trees and overlooking the water. A huge barn with a woodworking studio up top and a gym and yoga studio on the lower level. Elsewhere there's a sauna, garden, pond and stream, private hiking trails and a private beach. While these are not all of the stunning properties that Oprah Winfrey owns it definitely gives you a taste of this billionaire's real estate portfolio. For today though that'll bring this house tour to an end. But before we go answer me this, if you already had a mega main house in your home state where would you get your first vacation property if you could choose to get one anywhere in the mountains or on the beach or somewhere else? Let me know your dream getaway location in the comments down below. Otherwise like, subscribe and turn on your notifications to make sure you never miss a video. My name is Cara the Vampire Slayer, follow me on Instagram to chat more and I'll see you all in another one. Bye!


On breakfast ahead of the February 26 national convention of the ruling of Progressive Congress, stakeholders, members and loyalists of the party have thrown their weight behind the chairman. The Senate Services Committee is Senator Sunny Musa of APC Niger is for the position of national chairman. We'll take a look at the APC convention amongst others. We'll also take a look at the call by the House of Representatives for ritual killings to be declared an emergency in Niger. And don't forget, we also will go through the day's headlines for the national dailies analyzing the biggest stories. Welcome to the breakfast in Placidia, Africa. It's a very beautiful festive morning right here and it feels really great to be back on your screen two hours of great fantastic conversation right here and I know it's going to be great. Definitely. I am messy but full. And I'm Kofi Bartels, it's great to have you. Mercy, fantastic to be here with you this morning, looking fabulous as always. Well, you too. You're not carrying me along. I think that should be a trending topic one of these days that, you know, I met you here but you've not, I don't know, taken me out. No, no, it's fine. It's fine. You know the hustle and bustle because it's okay. It's all right. So, I mean, yesterday was quite interesting. We had a lot to talk about yesterday. It was about a few cues, you know. They haven't seized, you know. You saw them on your way to work this morning. Wow. The latest is that President Buahari is angry, you know, and he called for sort of a query for the head of the national Nigerian midstream and downstream Petroleum and Literary Authority which replaced the DPR, you know. So, let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. We had so long, 100 million liters or 80. It's actually 371 million liters that were affected. But we'll look at that as we go on, you know. Why not? And it's okay if the President actually calls. Of course, let's not forget that the President is the Minister of Petroleum Resources and there's been a lot of calls. So, some would argue that a certain High Court's rule that he's not the Minister of Petroleum Resources. He's still the Minister of Petroleum Resources and too many questions. A lot of people and Nigerians are also thinking that the President should be answering some questions. Looking at the fact that he's acting in, you know, double capacity. Anyway, some trending stories. Let's get to that. Very, very bizarre one. A child-spotted drinking beer. I don't know whether we should call this a beer because it's not technically beer-beer. Oh, are you trying to make an excuse already? No, no, no. I'm saying that calling it beer may exaggerate it because, you know, this is not beer-beer. From what I can see, it's a brand of beer that is mixed with... Citrus. How do you call it? Citrus. Oh, oh, citrus. Okay. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. As a good Christian, I am. Dude, it's nothing like good Christian. But as a good Christian... It's because you're not being a Christian and that's why you have to say good Christian. Yeah. I'm just trying to be... So, okay, so it's beer mixed with citrus. Well, that's the description that has been put out. You just said it yourself. It's a faster watching of what? You know, anyway, there's nothing wrong with that.  So usually, I don't like to double into those kind of conversations because they're very... Anyway, tell us about the citrus and... So first of all, when I saw that video, so there's a video that's made the rounds and I probably would think if I'm not mistaken that this is not... Even though it has actually resurfaced again, I would say resurfacing because at some point, I can't really say if it's the same child we're seeing that video. There was a time also where there was video of a child who was having beer and so the... But you know, no matter how many times it has resurfaced, it doesn't even change, you know, the conversation surrounding it. And one of the conversations surrounding is the fact that a lot of people have blamed that and poor parenting. And some people think that that's not a good... Blaming the fact that this child was seen on social media holding a bottle of beer. And having a great time. So I started reading the comments following that particular post and some of us were saying, oh no, maybe it's possible that he was drinking water from that bottle. And then there was a lady close by. But you can't really tell if the lady was a caregiver or was the mother or was a guardian. You can't really say what exactly that was. But it still brings us to the issue of negligence. So when we talk about child abuse, we're usually very fast to look at the issue of being very violent with a child. But issue of neglect has also not been considered as child abuse. Because when you... Yes, negligence is also another form of child abuse. Because every child, even though we still have outs of the 36 states across the Federation, including the FCT, a lot of states have not been able to adopt that, domesticates that particular law to say, okay, here, this is Charite Act. Yes. So not every... I mean, the entire state, if you look at Niger, not every state have been able to adopt that. And the issue of negligence is top on the list. But usually when we talk about child abuse, we're very quick to look at the physical harm that's been caused to the child, sexual harassment, and what have you. But negligence is also another form of child abuse.  I mean, looking at who a child is from zero, you want to say to like 18 years. And at this point in time, it's expected that you make decisions and protect this child. I mean, let's look at the content of that. However, I want to make it look like, see-truths and a little bit of, you know... Is it really beer? Is it really beer? I wish I could put a picture on screen, but is it really beer? You know, but the funny thing about this... Are we going to argue if it's really beer or coffee? Are we really going to argue? It's a question I want to know. I don't... I'm asking you to know. But the funny thing about it is that the body, it's a popular brand that has good... One of the things in the sky. You know, they shine bright. You know, the ones that shine. But anyway, the Twitter handle for this brand that you said is mixed with what? Beer and what? No, you talked about it. You said it's mixed with what? Beer and what? Citrus. A combination of citrus and alcohol. Yeah, I can sort out some. Yeah, but that's what you did. And they said this. They had to put out a tweet. You know, attention has... And you know, in this time, everybody is just trying to be politically correct. I'm tired of its political correctness and their workness. And you know, you just... You can just... They put out a tweet. Attention has been drawn. But in terms of public relations, it's okay to do that. You know, but the pressure on corporates, you know, on people is a bit too much because you get called out and canceled, you know. But anyway, they said that attention has been drawn to a video of a... And they, they do their job, which is they say it's not for persons below 18, you know. And but because of fear of backlash, they have to do this. That's the world we live in today. But anyway, they said attention has been drawn to a video of a child drinking this brand. Yeah, we are disturbed by this video as it promotes the wrong value. Say no to underage drinking, you understand? So they put that out, which is okay, which is okay. But the pressure, you know, would have been shown... No, you're necessarily not said the pressure. And that's why I came... Okay, so if you say the pressure, then it's okay to say the pressure. But like I have mentioned, the issue of negligence, because you're a child, open to turn a particular age according to constitution. And within this ambience, you're expected that you should have people who should protect you because you can't... I'm saying it's not the fault of the beer company. No, no, it can't be the fault of the beer company. But it's necessary that they put that out again as a reminder of what they stand for. The world we live in today, there's so much pressure on brands, on people, on individuals, that you don't know what people are going to throw your way and start cancelling you and boycotting you. And then it's now become so too much, really, for me. Look at what's happening to Spotify. I mean, I'm black, but you look at what's happening to Spotify and Joe Rogan and then a lot of other things. You know, people are under pressure to just be politically correct these days. You know, that's what I'm saying. So it still brings us one and the same thing that we have been saying that it's an issue of having negligence. Child has been neglected. Because if you look at child negligence... By the parents? By the parents or the guardian or whoever is involved. And that's also a case of child abuse because within this particular age period of time or however you want to put it, it's expected that the guardian parent should be responsible for them, look out for them, and understand what is right and what is not wrong. Because it's also been looked at at that particular age, not even to make some decision and judgment for themselves. So it's just a case of another child abuse because someone has refused to pay attention. Well hopefully, let's just look out for kids and our children. Yes, very important, very important.  Like, we've seen it several times. What people are doing, what we see on social media is we see worse than that. You know, thankfully you said this one is fruit juice and beer, right? Why do you, why? You sound like I don't want to produce... We have parents who actually give their children real full beer. I've seen videos of parents giving their children beer. You know, when we're kids, you know, we have parents who in parties they'll call the kid, come and sit on my lap, take, and have a reason why they do that. You know, but at least a message must be passed them. And I think the company did well to also lend the voice to say, you know, underage drinking is wrong. All right. I know I'm being emotional about the whole pressure on, you know, but that's the right thing they should have done. At first, let's talk football. People were wondering why in the Nigerian Football Federation went back on its touted appointment of Jose Moreno's former assistant at Real Madrid, Jose Pesero, as the coach of the Super Eagles after the Nations Cup, you know. In fact, during the first Nations Cup, when Austin Aguavo was appointed as interim, you know, a manager or coach, or like we say in this country, technical advisor of the Super Eagles for the tournament, people were just like, if you have a new coach who is going to come in and coach the Super Eagles team, why don't you appoint him and let him lead the team? But, you know, they said they wanted him to study the Super Eagles and all that before he comes on. Now, after that Egypt game, of course, we all remember that Nigerians, we say, well, look at the plane, we are the big Egypt. So Aguavo should be the coach, you know. Now, following the Nations Cup, Aguavo stepped aside and then a couple of days later, we heard that Aguavo had been reappointed as interim coach to be assisted by Amunike, former Nigerian national, both teammates at the USA 1994 World Cup. And people were wondering what's going on. So this man, Jose Pesero, put up a statement on his Twitter, on his Instagram account to say, I never had any agreement with the Nigerian Football Federation that we were still talking. Only for these guys to come tell Nigerians and tell the world that Pesero is going to be their next coach. Had they signed any agreement, was there any signing ceremony? You know, there was nothing like that. And once a day, we're still talking. They had not agreed. So he said, at the end of the day, they could not come to an agreement as to the financials and then some details in the contract. So there was no agreement at the end of the day. And this meant that probably the Nigerian Football Federation should have maybe waited till the man had signed the dotted lines or don't want to agree in principle before coming out to tell Nigerians that this former rally at Madrid assistant coach has agreed in principle to be the coach of the superiors. So it's just a thing of how we can be very, very zealous and sometimes forget all of that. So usually you probably are in talks with someone and then there's a body language, even though that has not been, but it would possibly just be because I'm not holding brief from them, but I'm just imagining the scenario would have played out. The NFF would probably have thought that maybe there's some green light, there's some hope that everything has been dotted and then of course, out of the zeal, out of the zealiness, no, no, that's what I'm saying. It's not a matter of agreement, but it just shows. I mean, it's okay for him to put that out of agreement. He says he had not agreed with the NFF. So I'm saying that these are the possibilities that could surround it. I am not making, I'm not holding brief for the NFF. I'm just saying that we live in times, especially in this climate where we could be very over zealous and then one or two signals could definitely mean a yes to us. And so out of all of that, then we just go ahead and put out that statement, right? So but it's okay for him because at some point this response is coming where you have the NFF also coming out to tell us that Austin Aguavon will be the interim, you know, technical coach and what have you and amongst all this, I mean, the list has been put out. And so it's very necessary for him to say, well, it doesn't also take out the fact that they were also in talks and they were also having conversation with you say, right? So it is what it is. An agreement was not rich. It's very obvious. This is what he said in the statement quote, after several weeks of negotiations during which were several news from the he put it in Spanish, by the way. So the papers he had to do a transliteration after several weeks of negotiations during which there were several news from the Nigerian football federation that I would be the coach of your team from the end of the Afghan 2021. He said on his Instagram, a fact I never confirmed. This is what he wrote. A fact I never confirmed. And these did not materialize due to disagreement regarding contractual clauses and financial matters, you know. So that's what he said, you know, we were negotiating where discussable had never agreed, you know. And it also gives people something to talk about as regards maybe the financial dealings of the Nigerian Football Association. We're well aware that Gerhard Rohr, the former coach of the team, was owed several months salary. And anyone who is coming in will want some guarantees as regards that. Maybe he wanted to have a higher salary than the NFF Color for who knows. But these are dynamics that come to play in African football in Nigerian football. But some are saying, you know what, Senegal has won the African Nations Cup with an African coach. The last Nations Cup in 2019, they were in the final with the same coach. And this has been able to build a team. The last country to win the Nations Cup before Senegal was Algeria. They also won the Nations Cup with an Algerian coach, an African coach.  Well, the arguments for having a homegrown coach has never since then the conversation still continues right here. But I mean, it's okay to have this feedback from Jose Pesero at this point in time as regards to the conversation and negotiation that's been ongoing that was never, of course, has come out to see. And that's because you have the NFF also coming out to make some statement that has warranted that is what I would think. So, but as much as that's a very valid point, I mean, I'm just saying that in terms of negotiation, business and talks and what have you, there's a tendency that you get to that point where you feel like there's a green. I mean, it's a don't deal already because we would have expected him to speak earlier than before this time. So, he felt like the NFF needed to make a statement before he comes out with that statement. Maybe he wasn't even consulted. We really do not know what it is. In football, you can never make a statement until you're sure. For instance, there are 10 months to buy a player. You can be negotiating with that player for weeks and months, but you won't tell people we have him, until you have signed dotted lines, or maybe he has agreed in principle. That's the point. And to have made all these announcements only for the thing you have to go through, it maybe shows a bit of lack of management argument to manage information well. So, for me, I'm also thinking that, yes, it's also a problem. But as the time that that statement was put out by the NFF, he didn't come out to make any other claims or refute that. So, there's also possible because whether or not you act, I mean, it's something called in business law that whether or not you have agreed to it, the fact that he didn't see anything within that period could have also meant that he had accepted. It is what it is, a Nigerian, so it's looking forward to having him. So, it's just a two-way thing. But however, whatever it is, it feels like we have actually gotten to that point where the NFF have actually decided to settle down with having locals running the affairs of the football and all of the things it has to do with supporting football. Let's see how it goes. Though there isn't a word interim for a Govan, which main kid that it's not permanent. We've forgotten what we've had, like acting, you inspected General, please. I would love to see Amunike given a chance to run the show. I'm sure we'll talk about this tomorrow. Yeah, like he should be given a chance to run. He's not done badly, you know. All right, we have a last one, merci. This happens to be a sort of alleged refusal by telecommunications, the telecommunications officials or workers, union rather, giving a particular network an ultimatum, you know, giving a particular network an ultimatum. So, we hear that the telecommunications union under the ages of the private telecoms and communications, senior staff association of Nigeria issued a 14-day ultimatum to a telecoms company to address setting issues bordering on workers' welfare or face industrial action.  I don't remember last time I heard anyone like that. But the association, you know, said that its workers would down tools and subsequently disrupt communication services nationwide if the telco, this particular telco, one of the big ones, fails to accept its demands for the expiration of the two-week ultimatum. And I don't know how we're going to cope, because this network is everywhere you go, you know, so I don't know how people are going to cope if we have this telecommunications strike affecting the network coverage around Nigeria. So, over time, the conversation of having laws protecting the workers in Nigeria has been in question. And so, you constantly ask yourself the issue of welfareism. I mean, how are these workers fairing? We want to begin to look at the current realities. It's really, really sad. So, you ask yourself, someone who's been ending a particular amount for very long, let's say 50,000 a year. And that's like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, still ends, you know, 50,000 a year in 2022. It doesn't really add up. It doesn't make sense, because times evolving, we're moving with the trend. I mean, you want to even begin to look at our climate, the issue of inflation, the valley of the Naira and what have you, it doesn't really add up. So, yes.  Interest would always be a profit. And so, it feels like, you know, that system doesn't really necessarily care about the people. It's quite unfortunate. This is a time where you begin to ask the association, the laws, what are the laws protecting the right of workers, especially for the private sector, and what have you. It's really sad. But let's see how things plan out. All right. Let's see how things plan out. Time to take a break. And, of course, when we come back, we'll dive into the details and analysis of the headlines from today's National Daily with Ezekiel Ingea. It took a public affairs analyst. Stay with us.


Honourable Mr. Kowalczyk, Mr. Rao, Director General of FAO, Deputy Director General, Assistant Director General and Regional Representative for Europe and Central Asia. Good afternoon. I'm Nabil Ganji, I'm the Secretary of the 33rd Session for the Regional Conference for Europe, which is held in the next three days in this beautiful city of Łódź, which has seen a great number of events throughout history. A city whose architecture now shows us how a city was built over an agro-industry with its textile history, and a city that has also left a mark in arts and cinema and music, so I'd like to welcome you to Łódź. This is the inaugural ceremony for the Regional Conference, and this evening we'll start by a few welcoming words from FAO's Director General, Dr. Tzu Donkiu, followed by His Excellency Henrik Kowalczyk, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development of Poland, and followed by His Excellency Bigniew Rao, Minister of Foreign Affairs. We have also the honor to have a word from His Excellency Janusz Bajczowski, EU Commissioner for Agriculture. After that we'll have a local welcome by Mr. Tobias Bukhinski, the Wojwoj of Łódź. Excellencies, distinguished delegates, ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to invite Dr. Tzu Donkiu, the Director General of the Food and Agriculture Organization, to deliver his welcome remarks. Dr. Tzu, please. His Excellency, Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development of Poland, His Excellency, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland, His Excellency, the Commissioner for Agriculture of European Commission. Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. I'm so pleased to be in Poland's second time, this time especially on occasion of 33 sessions of regional minister conference for Europe and Central Asia. The first time for me to visit the country as FL Direct General. I would like to thank the government, the people of Poland, for the generous hospitality here in Łódź. I used to be called Łódź, but not today. They told me it's Łódź, an important city with prosperous agro-industry, because last time I came here, since you are so competitive in the agro-industry, you went and exported over here to China. So I was honored to see all of your agro-industry and fully convey your capacity and your quality control. This year marks six, five years of Poland membership for FL, a strong and fruitful partnership. This morning I had a very fruitful discussion with all number of minister of foreign affairs. It is humble to say Poland is not a rich country, but I said it's, of course, that's why every country wants to be better, not the best, but Poland, you are already rich enough, but you want to be better, I really congratulate you to be better and better, and also I have a special honor to have a briefing to your Honorable President this afternoon also. Yesterday I had a very good meeting in dialogue with Prime Minister and Minister of Agriculture and the Rural Affairs. So in short, I got a strong feeling that your government have a strong support of the agro-industry system and the rural development. And all of you with a strong and rich experience in the multilateralism, and that's what we appreciate very much. Before coming to the woods, I paid a visit to Warsaw and had a productive meeting with all the leaders I mentioned. In our conversation about sustainable agro-industry systems, we confirmed our shared design to build a future in which no one is hungry and no one left behind. We know it is a challenging time for us, but together, not more than ever, we must continue to work for the benefit of all countries in the region and beyond. The impact of the war in Ukraine continues to affect our lives, health, and economy. The ongoing destruction is causing enormous human suffering and leaving production value chains, supply chains destroyed, and it's in fact are being fed across the global agro-industry systems. The increase in food energy and fertilizer prices is putting the next harvest at risk and the impact on the world food security. This hybrid regional minister conference is an excellent example of how we can address the challenges we face with joint determination, blending traditional approaches, know-how with modern technology advanced. And also, it's time for you to find your own solutions, impact solutions to deal with the crisis in short-term, mid-term, and long-term. We know that, European, you have a capacity to solve any challenge ahead of us. This reflects FAO's vision of transformation of agro-food systems via the proven approaches and emerging them with innovative and digital solutions to increase efficiency, inclusiveness, resilience, and sustainability. Last week, I took part in the important conference in Baku on how to accelerate the digital transformation of agro-food systems. And we learned the experience from Azerbaijan and other countries in that region. And we discussed many initiatives such as, for example, the concept of small villages which can benefit and become the backbone of digitalization, creating new and exciting opportunities for rural communities. Many of you were there with me in Baku, and I look for the continual discussion with the particular focus on the Europe and Central Asia region. The regional minister conference will provide an opportunity to exchange opinions in search of innovative solutions to long-standing challenges and on recent developments as well as how it aligns with regional conditions and priorities. We can achieve the four best production, better nutrition, better environment, a better life for all living on the one hand. Dear friends, I'm pleased to be joined by so many delegates and observers from across the region and beyond with more than 50 representatives of the FAO members and the European Union. I got to know only one member is not joined, so 53, no matter you're big or small, it's the first time to join this hybrid meeting after a two-year pandemic. Your voice is needed. Your strong commitment and support will ensure a successful minister conference. Sincerely, you focus on the FAO mandate and the regional priority and make your professional solutions. With that, I once again thank you, especially thank you for the minister of foreign affairs and minister of agriculture and European Commission. The three of you, fortunately, you are originally from here. So that's why this region, this province, become one of the most important cultural industry province in Poland and probably one of the most competitive regions in Europe for the future. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Director General, for your words. Thank you for reminding us of the challenges that are awaiting us in the next three days and what we need really to focus on, better life and better production, better nutrition, better environment, leaving no one behind. At this time, I'd like to invite His Excellency the Honourable Henry Kowalczyk, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development of Poland, to basically address the... Thank you. Mr. Director, Excellencies, Ministers, Commissaries and Delegates. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to welcome you in Poland, which at the opening ceremony of the 31st session of the FAO Conference for Europe. We are in central Poland in a city where it's intriguing at any step. It's full of factories, but at the same time it's green, it's eclectic and avant-garde at the same time. The history of Łódź goes back to the Middle Ages, but the dynamic growth of a city started only about 200 years ago as it became the heart of the textile and film industry, the center of religious, ecumenical life, as well as the inter-religious dialogue, and which remains one of the most important academic, cultural and industrial centers. Ladies and gentlemen, given the difficult economic and political situation, we are now facing as the world and as the countries out of region. I would like this conference to be an opportunity for creative dialogue and seeking solutions for the problems at hand. We are all well aware that even before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, the prospects for achieving the sustainable development goals were in jeopardy. The impact of the pandemic has only made matters worse. The ongoing hostilities in our region are a source of new challenges for agriculture and global food security. This makes the initiatives launched through the UN Food Systems Summit and collaboration under the auspices of the FAO all the more important. The FAO remains the most important global forum on standards and guidelines concerning food systems with regional conferences enabling, taking the specific characteristics and needs the regional member groups work on. It is important to us that FAO remains sensitive to the needs of its member states. I am glad that some of you could come to Poland to participate in this session. The implementation of the assumptions of the EU Common Agriculture Policy by the Polish agriculture and processing sectors continue to be some of the best examples for the benefits of modernization processes as shown by the growing value of the agri-food exports. We are happy to share our knowledge and experience in this area. You will also have the opportunity to discover the quality and flavor of Polish food products which are the staple of our international success. I hope everyone will get involved in the debates and take part in this fruitful and rewarding discussions. I hope that the conference will result in conclusions that will prove helpful in addressing the problems faced by the global agricultural sector. I wish you a good debate. Thank you very much. Thank you, Your Excellency, and thanks for reminding everyone of how we are working on its sustainable development goals and how it is important to work together with the EU, indeed, in order for us to attain better food security for all. At this stage, I would like to invite His Excellency Zbigniew Rau, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland, to address this. Thank you. Director General, dear representatives of FAO, dear delegates, dear Deputy Prime Minister, dear Commissioner, Mr. Wojboc, Mr. Marshal, Madam Mayor, ladies and gentlemen. It is my honor to welcome you to Poland, the host country for the European Minister's regional conference of the Food and Agricultural Organization. FAO's significance cannot be overestimated. The organization plays a key role in global efforts to achieve food security for all. Poland is a country where agriculture has been a substantial part of the economy. As an active member of the United Nations, we appreciate FAO's role in addressing global challenges of hunger and food production. We achieved a successful transformation of agricultural sector, making use of the possibilities offered by our membership in international organizations. Also, the FAO. Now, we are willing to share our experience in agriculture and rural development with other countries of Europe and Central Asia gathered here today. Ladies and gentlemen, in recent weeks, food security has gained exceptional importance and has been raised in multiple fora. New challenges for agricultural sector are emerging and must be adequately addressed. The Russian unprovoked aggression against Ukraine destabilizes global food security. I am glad that our conference will allow us to discuss this challenge. Food security is a key priority for 2022 and beyond. Indeed, it is a potential crisis factor that can affect migration and push back the development progress in recent decades. To strengthen the international community and facilitate development, we need to bolster the global security system and multiculturalism in general. Multiculturalism and genuine dialogue remain guiding principles of Polish foreign security in particular with regard to food security. Ladies and gentlemen, I am pleased to welcome you to Łódź, my hometown. Łódź is an example of a city that has undergone difficult socio-economic transformation. It is a city with deep industrial roots, full of respect for its history and multi-ethnic identity. In recent decades, it experienced a rapid modernization. Today's Łódź is the Polish capital of film, as it has been already mentioned as a modern art and great post-industrial architecture. It has also become a logistic hub for Central Europe. However, for the sake of our conference, it is above all a capital of a region which has traditionally been one of the most important agricultural centers of Poland. Today, it still plays an important role in domestic food production. Let it be a benchmark for food systems and agriculture transformation in the 21st century. Ladies and gentlemen, I wish you a vigorous, intellectually provoking and thoughtful discussion. Thank you very much. Thank you, Your Excellency. And again, thank you for extending the invitation to FAO to meet in the beautiful Łódź, your hometown. I'd like at this stage to ask His Excellency Janusz Wojczykowski, the EU Commissioner for Agriculture, to take the stage. Thank you. Director General, Prime Minister, Minister Wojewódz, Mayor. To me, it's also a great experience to take part in the opening of this conference in Łódź, the city that is also close to my heart because it's the capital city of the region where I live. The region which is important for many reasons, mentioned already by the Director, but confirmed by the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister, an important agricultural center as well because all types of agriculture that can be met in Europe can be found here. It's horticulture and husbandry and all types of agricultural production. So it's a good paragon because there are lots of challenges facing us in this part of Europe. And there are huge challenges, brutal aggression of Russia in Ukraine. Except, well, besides victims and the loss of human life also destroys agricultural infrastructure. And we are looking at it with great care because Ukraine was the country which was feeding lots of other countries. But today it's struggling with problems to survive and we want to ensure the supply chains for food for Europe and the rest of the world. And it's very good that we are having this discussion. It's very timely because we have to address this challenge. We have to offer assistance in exports. Tomorrow the European Commission will present its communication and it will present a plan of action explaining how the European Commission and the member states can help to moderate this challenge and to face this challenge and to replace the exports of Ukraine and Syria to important regions of the world like Northern Africa. So we need to rethink our long-term strategy as well how to foster food security in the face of these difficult challenges. How to combine sustainable development of agriculture because this is the key to ensure food security in the future but also to produce enough food to ensure food for everyone in every corner of the world. These problems have to be solved in the spirit of solidarity. Solidarity is a beautiful Polish word. We often looked at challenges faced by farmers such as competition. Competition is very good in general but today in solving these global challenges linked to food security we also need solidarity. Solidarity between farmers but also solidarity among us who shape the agriculture policy. I wish you fruitful debates and I hope you will work out good solutions in the spirit of international solidarity, in the spirit of mutual understanding of these huge challenges that we are facing. I would like to thank very much Director-General Mr. Kiew for organizing this conference at this very moment here because the role of FAO is especially relevant and vital when we need so many analysis and coordination of cooperation. Thank you very much for this initiative and once again I wish you fruitful debates in the spirit of solidarity. Thank you very much. Thank you for your excellency. And again a reminder how solidarity is needed in order for us to face COVID and other issues that are facing our food security and that conflicts do not definitely help. At this stage I would like to welcome Mr. Tobias Bukhinski, the Vojvod of the region of Łódź to address us. Thank you. Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, it's an honour and pleasure to welcome you in Łódzkie Wojewódź ship and in the city of Łódź, which is a symbol of dynamic development and industrialisation. In the region which is one of the leaders of agricultural production but also which is famous for universities and growing IT sector. Łódź is located in the centre of Poland therefore Łódzkie Wojewódź ship is situated in the heart of Europe and at the crossroads at the intersection of north, south, east, west trade routes. It's an excellent place to visit privately or for business. Excellencies, I wish everyone a successful and fruitful debate in these very difficult times for Europe and for the world. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you Mr. Bukhinski and thank you for the hospitality that you and Excellency the Mayor is extending for all the delegates here in Łódź. This concludes actually the inaugural ceremony of the 33rd session of the regional conference for Europe but before you leave I wish to invite the heads of delegations for a family photo followed by a joint photo opportunity to all delegates and observers in the room just here next to us. So allow me to pass on the microphone to my colleague Konrad Kaczynski Minister of Plenary Potentiary of the Foreign Affairs of Poland for the 33rd session of the regional conference for Europe who will take us through the second part of our evening. Just one thing before I pass on the microphone to my friend Konrad. Tomorrow we're starting at 9 o'clock sharp in this hall. So thank you very much and let me pass it on to Konrad. Thank you Nabil. I have the honour ladies and gentlemen to extend the invitation of His Excellency Deputy Prime Minister Henryk Kowalczyk and His Excellency Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau for the delegates, for the observers and for the speakers as well as for the officials of FAO to an official gala reception on this floor. The gala will feature a special and very interesting exceptional cultural event which we're going to see. After the gala for those guests, for those delegates who are staying in the Novotel and Ambassador Hotel the shuttle bus will part around 10 pm. Also for the rest of the guests and all of us involved the special dinner will be also served on the first floor of the hotel. So thank you and let us pass on to another point of the programme. I will remind the heads of delegations to pass on to the next room for a family photo.


I'm David Sandlands, principal solutions architect at Puppet by Perforce. This talk is about the 2023 State of DevOps report, platform engineering edition. We're going to talk a little bit about the history of the State of DevOps report, why this year we've kind of focused on platform engineering, some details about how the report was performed and gathered and then running through some of the core findings of the report. I'll also chip in with some of my own experience and background. Just to give some intros, for those not familiar with Puppet, Puppet is an infrastructure configuration company and a compliance tool set, first released in 2005 with both enterprise and open source products. And with a strong history in the DevOps community as a contributor and influencer. Myself, for my sins, I did 13 years in banking at Nat West Royal Bank of Scotland in the UK working in their historic very old school platforms. Hearing a very sad description of some days being an old school person because they used to work in Solaris and AIX and having to nod my head and say, yep, I did that too. And more recently kind of going through their digital transformation as they went to kind of an IaaS platform. So, the State of DevOps report, launched in 2013 and released annually. It's a survey looking to ask questions about how organisations are adopting DevOps. 40,000 people have been surveyed since its initial inception. What we found is that after kind of period of 2013 where there was initially a lot of progress, over the last four reports we've kind of found that only, we've only had growth from kind of 10% to 18% of organisations going from kind of middling evolution of DevOps to highly evolved. And the majority 80% are kind of remaining in this middle level. And actually in fact DevOps has become so prevalent with many of these organisations. They're not even kind of talking about it as a term anymore. That it's just the way they work and the way they've got used to working. So, as kind of part of this we've chosen not to kind of do the same general high level DevOps reports and we've tried to focus in on some of the common themes we see in the organisations who have reached a highly evolved state. And one of the patterns we saw was platform engineering. Because what we'd seen in last year's research was simply adopting automation and infrastructure code does not create a highly evolved organisation. A focus on improved organisational structure, team identities and interaction are the most kind of common attributes of highly evolved DevOps organisations. And that led to a clear pattern of platform engineering in that frame helping with those things. This doesn't mean you have to adopt platform team models to be good at DevOps. Rather it's just having that sort of well defined approach seems to help organisations to kind of path to succeed with DevOps. Particularly in the enterprise. And to kind of show, to talk about the numbers what we found was with platform engineering 65% of those who were towards the high end of DevOps evolution were using self service platforms compared to only 40% towards the lower end. So going forward for the state of DevOps report expect to see a lot more reports like this where we focus in on particular topics rather than our kind of historically more general. So for this year's report, the platform engineering edition platform engineering has obviously suffered from being a buzzword but we wanted to kind of zone in as to actually what it meant to organisations because just in the same way DevOps can mean very different things to different people we've wanted to kind of zone in so we had 438 respondents respond to the survey it was done in two ways we did it via a kind of snowballing method whereby we put out a survey via social media, web and via our partners and then via word of mouth it snowballed like a snowball rolling down a hill we also used a a professional grouping who were an independent non-profit to provide expertise and opinions so that our bias in terms of who we were likely to get to fill out the survey wouldn't completely show through and we also had a grouping of those who didn't use platforms to provide a control group on opinions The survey was conducted between the 14th of September and the 25th of October 2022 unsurprisingly the main industry to respond was technology and I'm hoping that's a nice big screen so hopefully you can see a breakdown of those plenty of organisations from government to finance to education and so on varying sizes of companies from smaller companies to larger and in terms of the platform team role it was obviously keen not just to have the opinions of people who ran platform teams because they are obviously going to have a good opinion of their platform and you know a mix of different team responsibilities I appreciate team names a bit strange these days so plenty of people that are on teams that are just called DevOps now but yes a good mix of different teams from kind of traditional infrastructure teams to teams involved in transformation so the kind of initial findings most platform teams are still new only 19% of respondents reported that the platform teams were established more than five years ago I think this is kind of from the thing we see that large scale platform teams up until recently have been predominantly the place of new big tech companies and despite how it feels in the industry they just make up a small sector of enterprise firms so for most now is the time to adopt and looking at how people felt about had they adopted platform teams at the right time overwhelmingly people feel it's the right time 23% sayings too late and only a very small section saying they felt it was too early why platform engineering so when we look at what led to the creation of a platform team for organisation it's not too surprising that increasing the speed of delivery comes out as the highest point followed by the need to scale and then looking at engineers taking too long to spending too much time working on the tools and actually their job and features because I think that was something we commonly saw was particularly in large organisations lots of teams are opened up to the freedom to develop what tools they were working in but that just gave them a bigger cognitive load to try to work out what they should be working on and in some organisations like my own background of banking there was plenty of teams that didn't realistically have the skills to do that well and further down the scale we'd also see there in terms of consultancy and leadership requests which is probably coming from the point of platform engineering being very prominent in a lot of marketing and buzzwords just now looking at the key goals seeing that problem solving is the highest probably reflects how platform teams aim to prevent other teams from having to keep repeatedly solving common problems and the rest of the answers can really be seen around enabling the users of the platforms with education and empowerment of developers and product teams featuring prominently of 47 and 40% and 46% answering to promote best practices within organisations I think that this kind of people centric approach naturally follows previous DevOps implementations where enterprises were too focused on the tech and the tools and kind of stalled in their DevOps journey as they kind of struggled with the various silos of people so going a bit more into the purposes of structure what capabilities does the self-service platform offer offered by the platform is the provisioning of infrastructure for developers is key with deployment operation monitoring and security being identified because I think if you look at kind of plenty of people said to me platforms aren't new there's been platforms there was a platform at the bank when I was deploying AIX but all it did was simply that one step of getting you an AIX machine configured to a specification the key thing is developers need to get something that's actually usable at the end not something where they have to keep stepping through different sections and going to one team to get DNS going to another team to get their OS and other teams to get them monitoring and pseudo rules set up if I'm focusing purely on a provisioning example so that's just not sufficient teams must be able to deliver value to their users and the majority of respondents are reporting that in terms of the number of platforms the reporting that they have between 2 and 4 while 30% have 5 or more and this to us indicates that platforms are emerging from different parts of the organization and we see this that they can emerge in different ways organically from volume stream developers looking to share the solutions with each other from particularly advanced and capable operations teams who have high levels of trust within the organization and also sometimes when you have progressive management who look to move the organization in a transformation we don't believe that anyone should be trying to force one platform to rule them all we think the focus should come from exactly those kinds of teams we've talked about there so talking about how centralized they are to be clear when we're saying centralized we're meaning whether if a platform is centralized we're talking about different business units using a platform together so 82% of platform teams are centralized and this pattern of centralization seems to be increasing over time with 52% reporting an increase of that centralization and 36% of those who are already using a centralized approach reporting that even more centralization would be better with decentralized teams we see that 37% believe it would perform better if they were actually more centralized and to be really clear here both users and operators are giving more or less the same answer in this area so it's obviously not just a platform team saying it would be all better if everyone just came to my platform now there's always going to be some need for decentralization there's going to be legality requirements whether that be a business unit in a certain region or whether if you're in a finance organization and your traders can't work on the same platform as your retail bank but the general pattern we see is for decentralization in terms of the benefits I think this is the thing that took me back the most because when I think of my experience of trying to introduce colleagues to things coming from exactly these kind of conferences and these kind of new ideas there tends to be a high level cynicism particularly when something's been a buzzword but we see that 93% of respondents are reporting that the platform team is a step in the right direction and 94% agree that the concept has helped their firms better realise DevOps and the impact on velocity has been surprising as well 68% agreed to increase their velocity what we did find was that this confidence and improvement was better over time and more than 53% of firms that had been practising platform engineering for more than three years reported their speed had increased a great deal while it was just 35% for firms who had implemented less than three years so again to highlight creating this level of change in a relatively short period is very impressive if we look at a lot of organizations who went through their general DevOps approach many of them spent 10 years even trying to adopt DevOps practises with very little success in some organizations so looking at how confident teams are in continuing to meet their goals we do see the longevity of the platform directly correlates to that confidence and given how cynical our industry can be and how cyclical things can be when you're dealing with, as I said something has been very commonly a buzzword we do find it noticeable that the majority are somewhat confident or very confident even less than three years but seeing the switch to completely confident of 27% over three years and a total of confident or very confident of 73% just shows that the platform builds over time looking at who needs to serve most by platforms it's very pleasing to see 30% see the whole company serve best 29% see developer teams which is exactly what you'd hope with platforms typically looking to serve your IDPs and what's interesting is the percentage you think it serves the whole company increases again when it's been over three years one thing some people may be worried about is in terms of seeing infrastructure teams as just a small chunk of that but what we do expect that because ultimately it's not really to service the infrastructure teams we're wanting the platform to service our developers and the infrastructure teams can feed into that process because we've never run infrastructure for its own sake ultimately it's been about getting onto the services and the tools on top of it excuse me so looking at some of the problems people are reporting with the platforms I think a large part of it can be about seeing setting expectations and creating awareness of the platform one of the things we can see the largest percentage here is the cycle slower than people expected and resistance to adoption of the platform and I think both those things focus down on getting that buy in and also creating a lot of companies are not very good actually making people aware of what their SLAs and SLOs are around their platforms and I myself, when we went from quite a rudimentary platform to a truly platform engineering platform we made that mistake and the first major outage caused a huge problem despite the fact it was well within our expected error rates so we'll kind of come into talking about how product owners can help with that a few slides but a lot of what we see in terms of the priorities for the next 12 months looks to kind of address that point of creating awareness about the platform and educating and enabling users of the platform and developers that's not what I was going to do so coming into the kind of needed product management skills when it comes to putting the right people and putting the right skills in place to actually do platform engineering most respondents seem to have the priorities in order when we asked about the most important skills a product manager needs to drive a successful platform we learned that platform product managers need to be great communicators they need a knack of problem solving they must be able to foster collaboration across teams and they got to be able to turn into core requirements that can fit a platform and they need a significant understanding of internal customers so we tend to find organisations who try and pull someone completely external from their organisation to perform this role can often struggle to understand the internal politics and complexities of that organisation so in terms of going more into the challenges 66% of respondents strongly or somewhat agreed that platform engineering team has a product owner who evangelises the product and services and this would be a huge worry for us is that without that individual doing that evangelism and helping that education and working with customers to establish the needs of the platform as we see the young platforms grow they could easily come into trouble now an interesting thing comes is 48% of respondents agree that senior management of the organisations do not understand the value of platforms and even a similar degree the respondents themselves say that 51% of them are equally confused about the concept so again I think this points to the importance of the product manager who should be in there to help this understanding both within their own platform team and within senior stakeholders and leaders again just to kind of hit that point treating your platform as a product is a key tenant of modern platform engineering while this is genuinely well understood the data tells us that organisations are under investing in those product management skills and one of the core problems I've seen is when people feel like the platform is well established that's often the point where they'll feel like well we've invested all this money now the platform seems stable we don't need this product manager and that will eventually hurt the long term future of the platform as nobody is there to continue the evolution of the platform so to kind of summarise up there's no room for complacency young platforms can expect rapid growth as they're evangelised and as people are getting a taste for self service industry and company cycles can affect this focus on product is very easy for these kind of soft skills to be viewed as easy to make redundant in downturns and you know we kind of see the key thing is platforms will fail if the only focus is the technology you know so again I know I've said it so many times but the platform has to be treated as a product not a project and I can think back to the bad old days of platforms when even doing something as simple as going from rail 8 to rail 9 was in fact a project and you had to kind of mug someone coming in to say your project is going to have to pay for us to deliver this and probably because I've just seen the meme so much and it's a little bit painful DevOps is not dead platform engineering has kind of been somewhat hyped in terms of that because it's been so successful and had such a big impact some people have been complaining claiming it's supplants DevOps but for me platform engineering is just another kind of theory that's due to its success it's kind of become a part of DevOps in the way that agile and other things have been borrowed into DevOps practices and for me I'll be interested in future DevOps reports to see the sustainability of these platforms with so many only kind of under three years old it'll be interesting to see how people are coping with growth how people are coping with changing demands and whether people are continuing to keep the awareness long after potential transformation programs have ended so with that you can get a full copy of the report with more of the graphs and more of the information to read at your leisure so thanks to the sponsors of our report thank you today for listening under any questions no worries also if anyone has any thoughts of things that should be in future state of DevOps reports let us know and we are over at the puppet stand over in the area and thanks for your time