After losing safety to Sean Elliott for the season after that Ravens Vikings game, should the Ravens make a move and sign Trey Boston? These and much more on this episode of NFL Questions from Subbs. The Tube Team Keep It Clean, what's going on is St. Raven here with another video, another episode of NFL Questions from Subbs, a series where you can ask me any NFL question you want to and we answer it in a video just like this. If you would like to be a part of it, you can send me an email to teamkeepitcleanetgmail.com or for the patrons, you can send it directly on Patreon. And shout out to the Team Keep It Clean patrons, appreciate y'all, love y'all and Team Keep It Clean, we got some great questions as we always do, we got a lot of them so you know what? Let's just jump straight into it. First question came from my guy, Cam. He said, ain't Raven, how are you? Hope you and your family are doing well. Appreciate that, Cam. He said, my question is short and simple. What will we do with the loss of the Sean Elliott? And that is a very, very good question. Trey Boston. Trey Boston is coincidental. This seems like one of those Latavius Murray type things where unfortunately the Ravens, they lose one of their main guys, again, which we all used to hearing over and over this season. But coincidentally, some guy just pops up and becomes available who nobody really knew was going to come available. This happened with Gus Edwards and J.K. Dobbins and Justice when they all went down and Latavius Murray all of a sudden he gets released. He gets cut. He's like, oh, OK, well, might as well. And now with Trey Boston, all of a sudden he, Joe Rosenhauser, saying that he's healthy now. And when I think of Trey Boston, the first thing that I would think of my that would come to my head was a hitter, somebody that could bring it. He can hit, he can tackle physical safety. But then shout out to my guy, Ray Fahrey, and then some other people chimed in too. But he got some range as well. And I was like, oh, OK, I didn't know that about his game. I was not aware of that. But that's something that I feel like the Ravens are definitely missing at the safety because like a true rangey safety that can make up for if the cornerback ends up at a position and that receiver is going, then you could sort of take that angle and closing on that receiver to either break up the pass and accept the pass or just do one of them hits to make that receiver not even want to catch it. But we don't have that right now. But we don't have that on right now. That's that's actually playing and maybe Brandon Stevens will see because Brandon Stevens is going to have a bigger role. Like we talked about before with Brandon Stevens, the Ravens really love him. They really love this, like really love him. And they've been getting him plenty of opportunity before. So it's not like he's just going to be coming on the field and be like, oh, oh, this is what it's like to be out here. No, he's been out there a lot. They've used him a lot. So I expect the main guy to feel that role to be Brandon Stevens. But I do think they should assign Trey Boston and Drew Rosenhouse even say it, man. Like, even though when you when you aim low, then you're usually going to be rewarded with something low. And what I mean by that when I say that is that if you shoot low, like, you know what, yeah, I'll take a practice squad deal. That's fine. I don't mind. And not that that's not not that that's a bad thing. It's not it shows humility. It shows a willingness to compete and earn your spot. So it's not a bad thing at all. But you're holding house. They put it out. Oh, yeah, Trey Boston is healthy. He's even willing to sign on somebody's practice squad. So that lets it be known to all 32 teams. Like, hey, if you want this guy, he's willing. He's willing to work for you, willing to earn it. And while he's on practice squad, he can learn to scheme and everything, but he's healthy. So Ravens could look at that and be like, hey, OK, well, you know what, couldn't hurt somebody as well. This question came from a boy. He said, hey, engraving, I'm usually a silent supporter. Hey, it's all good, my friend. He said, this the Sean Elliott injury really hit home. He was the heart of the defense. But next man up. Do you think the next man could be Jimmy Smith? Love to hear your thoughts. You know, we were just talking about I expected to mainly be Brandon Stevens. And again, we'll see if they bring Trey Boston in. But with Jimmy Smith, you know that they're going to do like this rotation.  They like having one of their big sayings without them actually saying it is the more you can do. The more you can do. You can play corner, cool. You can play safety, too, cool. You can play slot, corner, OK, cool. The more you can do, that's the more value that you have to our squad. And they've been using Jimmy Smith's safety a little bit this year. They did it a little bit last year, too. So now with the Sean Elliott being out, I'm not expecting to do it even more. And especially when Chris Westry comes back, too. Because that'll give us another player in a secondary. And we definitely looking forward to him coming back. Just looking forward to as many people coming back as possibly can because, you know, Ravens, they are beat up. Bad. So yeah, I can see Jimmy Smith doing a little bit of safety. Next question came from my boy, Martin, and I appreciate you being a patron, Martin. He said, two things. First, I think people forget when you're at the top, there's only one place to go from there. And I think that's the case for Marlon Humphrey. He's been one of the best. I don't see it as he's regressing or anything like that. I just think it's our expectations. No, Marlon Humphrey, he's definitely struggled this year. He has definitely struggled this year for sure. It does not make him a bad player. It doesn't make him a bad corner. But he's, like you said, when you're at the top, when you're one of the best, cause I don't think he's the best corner in the league, but you, yeah, the only place to go for it is down. But at the same time, if you're going to be considered one of the best, it just needs to be consistency. It needs to be consistency. And he's, that Jamar Chase game was rough, but he's had, he has more good games than bad. But even this season in the games where he's given up some stuff, overall, overall, again, he's had his mishaps this season. And we just, we're not used to that this much from Marlon Humphrey, but really the whole defense has been struggling. And you know, as much as we are missing him, Marlon Humphrey is definitely missing Marcus Peters on the other side. Oh, and the second thing from my guy Marlon, I almost forgot it. He said, you know, Steven A is thinking to himself, why couldn't Lamar have the type of season my home is having so I could tell everyone, he's not in the league quarterback like my home. LOL, just kidding. I thought I'd do my own hot take, just like he does. Oh, Marlon with the pettiness. Next question came from Hadi and I appreciate you being a patron. He said, what's good in gravy? Blessings to you and your family. After the live stream, I was left pondering on the mind state of our team this year. They came back three times from being down, two of which went to overtime. The narrative about Lamar and the Ravens not being able to win a game if they're losing is completely dead now. The team is six and two, despite all of the injuries. In my opinion, I think the Ravens are blowing everyone's expectations and no one is talking about it. Can you imagine if they were fully healthy? Would love to hear your thoughts on the season so far. Whether you think this season will toughen the team's mindset and mentality. Much love, team man and hashtag team, keep it clean. Appreciate it, Hadi. I just, I just wonder, like whenever you think about this team being possibly fully healthy and it is crazy to think about because they're so far away from that. But whenever you think about if they were fully healthy, one thing I think that I don't think the passing game would be as good as it is right now. I think it would have been better than it was last year, but I don't think it would be as good as it is right now. Reason being, reason I say that is because I feel like the Ravens, they were forced to up this passing game by a lot with their top running backs all being out. Because if J.K. was still here, if Gus was still here, even Justice too, they would have been able to run the ball a lot better. There would have been a lot more RPOs. You don't really see RPO too much anymore. I don't really run it that much anymore. But I think that the passing game, it would not have been where it is right now. Cause I know a lot of us would think, oh man, imagine this passing game and we had a running game too. I just think with the injuries, they had to pass that ball cause they weren't running like they used to run. They still aren't running like they used to run, but they don't have what they used to have. Another thing I wonder about too is how coaching would have been. Like what coaching have been, just a tiny bit more lack since you have a lot more better players out there, would they not have prepared as hard or prepared as much? Because you're like, all right, we got these players, we got this guy.  So you got to overcompensate for some deficiencies you may have on a team. Now if they didn't have those deficiencies, how would the coaching be? Would they coach as hard? So it's just one of the, some of the things that I think about if the team was fully healthy, but the fact that there's six and two right now and you know how many people have been out had they lost before the season, they lost during the season. That says a lot about this team and they are doing a very, very good job. Despite all the problems on defense, despite all the problems with the offensive line, despite obviously all the injuries, despite the lack of a consistent running game, despite Lamar having to do so much extra, despite all of that, they're six and two. I can't even talk this morning. They're six and two. So that's a beautiful thing. Next question came from my boy, Javo. He said, how do you feel about our slow starts and our defense? Well, we've been talking about this all year.  And Ravens, they have been more of a second half team this year, but still, if they could start off faster, that would make stuff so much easier for them. And he said, what game do you think Bateman will get his first touchdown in? I mean, this Miami game wouldn't be a bad choice. It wouldn't be a bad choice at all because that team has been playing bad and why not? Now, I don't think they should try to force it, but you can find a way, find a way, make it happen. You'll get some opportunities. So yeah, it might as well do it. Miami 39 football, the world watching, why not? Next question came from a guy with Sean. He said, what's up in Raven Minnesota for a while now and enjoy your content. I appreciate that. Anyway, I want to know what do you think about the Ravens bringing in Jalen Smith after he was released by the Packers? I mean, what's he going to do for the Ravens? Because he got cut from the Cowboys. And I'm saying that he couldn't do anything, but he got cut from the Cowboys because he just started playing outright bad. Packers signed them. They cut this guy like a week or two later because he was just playing bad. So with the Ravens, they've already had enough struggles at linebacker. So you could sign them to the practice squad and just leave them there, try to coach them up, but I just, you might as well stick with what you got if it's not broken now, because they fixed it, it was broken before. They usually say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but it was broken before. But they fixed it with Josh Pines and moving Patrick Queen next to him. Chris Boyd, we'll see what happens with him. Christian Welch, like, with Jalen Smith, I mean, no. Yeah, no. Next question came from a boy, Dylan P. He said, ain't it great? I hope this question finds you well. After that big win on Sunday, the Raiders just cut cornerback Damon Ornette, who was the first round pick back in 2020. With our secondary struggles, should we sign him? This will give us another quality depth player and give us the ability to move. Jimmy spent the free safety like you would like to see with the Sean Elliott for the year. Thank you for all you do putting out these videos for giving us something to listen to about the Ravens 24-7. We appreciate it. Hope you and the family have a good time at the game on Thursday and you get to who it is to Jackson Five. That would be nice, I appreciate it. Damon Ornette, no. Not at all, not one bit, nope. Not a chance, those need, nope. Like, I've seen this question come up before. I've seen a couple of people ask this question before and no, it's a no. And the reason that it's a no is because, sorry, I just had to see if anybody else asks it too. Do y'all remember what he got cut for?  Next question came from a guy at HC. He said, I ain't Raven been watching you since I started supporting the Ravens in 2017. I appreciate that you came in right before the Marshall. Good timing. He said, just wanted to get your opinion on the Bear Steelers game and the bad calls that were going on, especially the taunting card on Cassius Marsh. And whether or not you think the refs were acting a little suspect in terms of the way they officiated that game. Love from Australia and as always, hashtag keep it clean. Appreciate that. Oh yeah, it was bad. And it was obviously bad. It was bluntly bad. It was terrible. And with NFL officiating, they have a lot of power. They have a whole lot of power. Sometimes some refs abuse that power and they use it to their advantage. And sometimes that power gets used to the advantage of certain teams. So seeing it can be very, very frustrating as a fan of football. And it just, it messes with your mind, man. And you start thinking about stuff and wondering stuff and being like, oh, I just, and it's annoying. And a lot of the rules that the NFL makes, it just, they aid the refs in just controlling a lot of these games. And you just, you never want the game to be up to the control of a ref. You want the players to be able to play and do their thing out there. So it's just an unfortunate part of the business, man. A question came from a guy, Makai. He said, what's up in Graven? Wanted to get your opinion on Tyson Williams. I think they may be saving him for the end of the season due to the 17 game season and or the playoffs. I don't think so at all. He said, also excited to see how Marlon bounces back. Oh, okay, this was before the Vikings game. He said, excited to see how Marlon bounces back against Minnesota after this terrible game against Tennessee. Keep up the great work. So besides that big play with the whole Jamar chase thing and apparently that was more on Chuck Clark than anybody. Marlon did end up having a pretty good game. But for Tyson Williams, he thinks they may be saving him for the end of the season. I don't think that's the case. I think that they just, they don't like him. They don't like him. I think they just, he just there. He just there like as a reserve, reserve and they not feeling him. They don't want him to be getting any carries. They're done with him. They're done with him. And again, that's why I thought that he would be gone. By, I thought he would, did not think he would make it to the Vikings game, but hey, he's still here. And again, still our guy with the most explosives, explosion, but still our guy with the most burst. But it's just, he's not going to get the opportunities. He's not going to get the carries. He's just, just there. Next question came from my guy, Simeon, he said, hey, engraving, I'm a Ravens fan from the UK. I've been watching NFL for about five years now. So I've been lucky enough to witness Lamar's entire career with us. He really is Superman. A lot of UK Ravens fans, recent supporters of the Ravens. That's cool man. He says, so my question is this, do my eyes deceive me or did the Ravens actually cause some successful screen passes against the Vikings on Sunday? They actually did.  When we were live streaming, we were like, oh boys, it's 3rd and 15th. They about to pull out a screenplay now. Watch them do a screenplay now. What do they do? They do the screenplay now. It worked. Mark Andrews has some nice blocks. The other guys has some nice blocks and they went to Hollywood and he got it. In Hollywood, Hollywood been with it with the yak, man. My guy been with it with the yak. But anyway, so yes, they did actually cause some successful screenplays, which we were very pleased to see. But we just hope that they can call some more in some different situations and get something involved to the running backs. That'd be nice. Schedules calls some trains to the running backs. But anyway, he said, I know it's something that you mentioned us not doing a while back and since then I couldn't help but notice the team's use of them to the great effect against us. Oh, I couldn't help but notice teams use them to great effect against us, but we still never seem to call them. However, against the Vikings, I could have sworn I saw a couple get called for big games. Is this going to be a new feature for our offense? I hope so. Love to you and your family. I appreciate that. So send me them. I hope so too. I really do. I think we all do because this would break the mold in terms of the Ravens running that one screen per month. Next question came from my boy, Joshua. He said, all the Ravens too wise for their own good as an organization. I ain't gonna appreciate all the great reporter and positivity you keep up. It's refreshing. Appreciate it, Jay. He said, I hear a lot of talk about Ravens being a sound organization that makes more decisions. We rely on draft picks, comp picks, cap space incentives, building players from the ground up, yada, yada, yada. But is the failure to bring in a bonafide superstar, a top 30 player via trade or free agent signing, is that a testament of pride that's stopping this team from reaching a Super Bowl? We all add to teams like the Cowboys, the Browns, Cardinals and Rams making crazy decisions. I don't laugh at them for it. I would love if the Ravens did something like that. But anyway, but sometimes I wish the Ravens thought a little bit more like them and got out of their comfort zone. Gotta get off your high horse if we're ever gonna win a Super Bowl. We're ever gonna win a one again. That's a tricky one. Now, I think that with the Ravens, they are a team that is the best way to explain it. I feel like it's one of the reasons they don't give out these big contracts to these players that did not come from them. Reason being, I think, and they could be a gift in the curse, but I think they're just scared. I think they're scared of if the player's gonna be a good fit, if the player's gonna be able to still have that same impact that they once had at their previous team, if the player will still remain like the same player after he joins the Ravens.  Even for Xavier and Howard, I would've been willing to give up a high pick. Oh yeah, for sure.  All over that, like Fulamore giving him a Julio Jones and you got a Hollywood and you would have Bateman. Man, would've been all over that, man. And then with De'Andre Hopkins and then what? There's been plenty more, but I just, there's some players that, some players you may question if they're a fit or not, but then there's some players that you just straight up know are ballers. Straight up, man. You just know these dudes can play. They got the game with the NFL on lock. They get it. So I wish the Ravens would be, and I know some people, well, that's not R.M.O. That's not how we get down and take care of our own, which they do. They take care of a lot of their own guys. Some of that guys, who we wish they would've taken care of, even not even just with hindsight, because there was Zadaria Smith. He was one of them. I know a lot of Ravens fans be like, oh man, see Zadaria Smith out there balling. He was balling his last season with the Ravens too. And I was hoping they would keep him. I knew they weren't going to keep him, but I was hoping that they would, but he knew they weren't going to keep him too. He knew that. But it's, so it's not always hindsight. And I know a lot of guys now in hindsight, after when Patrick Queen was really struggling when he was still the Mike Linebacker, a lot of guys started missing CJ Mosey. They were like, oh man, we ain't had these problems with CJ Mosey. We really didn't. CJ Mosey was a good player, but his thing was he just didn't have that burst. He didn't have that speed. So as a Blitzer, it wasn't in for him. Everything else he could do, but Blitzing and whatnot, no, his small player could tell. Anyway, I just think it's that the Ravens, they're very busy taking care of their own guys and they just, they've been burned. They've been burned a couple of times. Like with the Earl Thomas, they regretted that. And then this is more recent stuff. With the Earl Thomas, they regretted that one. They're like, oh man, we brought in this guy from the outside and he did that. Like, man, they'll, and they probably like, man, the one time we really step out of our comfort zone. We really give somebody a big deal outside of who, outside that never played for us before. And this is what happens. So yeah, I just, I just think that scared. That's it. Next question came from a boy, Mike Reed. He said, engraving Mike Reed here, Ken Airy, LLL. Hope all is well with you and the family. Everything is great, my friend. Keeping it short and sweet this time. Would OBJ be in a free agent at the end of the season? Do you think EDC shoots this shot then? Speaking of guys, nope, I do not, not at all. Might be able to get him on a cheap deal. I know our receivers have been producing better this year, but you can never have too many weapons and send me just signed for a one year deal. No, I don't see it happening at all. With Odeo Beckham Jr., yeah, they could get him, well, they could possibly, but, because he's, he's on the last year of his deal now, because Browns, they took out the last two years. So he's on the last year of his deal now, but if he clears waivers, then he's just probably gonna sign a one year deal with somebody for the rest of the season. So no, I just, I don't think it happens at all. With Odeo Beckham Jr., they would send me walk-ins. Depending on how the rest of the season goes, we could see, but you still want another guy because Sammy Walkins, Sammy Walkins, he got his injury problems. And we see it again this year. He's missed the last three games, I wanna say, cause he missed, what did he miss? Two games before the buy, I think. And then he missed this game against the Vikings too. So anyway, it was right about a play, but then they said he had like a thigh injury or something.  But yeah, I don't think Odeo Beckham Jr. will come to the Ravens. I wouldn't mind it, but I don't think it happens at all. Next question came from my boy Jackson. He said, Hey Dan, Graven been watching for Hot Minute now, 50K on the way, appreciate it. I've been a fan of this series, but haven't ever sent a message myself because all my questions are usually asked by someone else. But someone I don't see talked about much is the possibility of Ravens drafting a defensive tackle this year, like the Marvin Lille or Majae Sanders, because Brandon Williams hasn't been healthy and when he has played, he's been underwhelming. He isn't getting any younger, either the same thing for most of this defensive line.  If I'm being honest, I feel like our D line has been our liability because they are getting old and not as effective as they used to. We need to rebuild it with youth and speed. That is something right there. Brandon Williams last year's contract, I think he's going after this year for sure. Klairs Campbell contemplating retirement, I think he's going after this year. Derek Wolf been hurt all year, I think he's going after this year. I think this defensive line will definitely be rebuilt. Justin Houston, I forgot if they sent him to a one-year deal or a two-year deal, I forgot, but he could be going after this year too. So Ravens, yeah, they could have a completely revamped defensive line and with the additions of guys, like when they traded for Klairs Campbell and they drafted Justin Matibike, you could tell that they're looking for just a shift. They're looking to get more athletic on a defensive line. So yeah, they are definitely going to be revamped and they will definitely be drafting some interior defensive line. And in addition to the things you said, we're eating up blocks and plugging up the middle also to get interior pressure because we don't get that like at all. We can get somebody that can really generate some interior pressure. It will make the defense that much better. Next question came from my guy, Howard. He said, what's happening, Raven? I know all Ravens won another overtime through the day, but I have a few things I want to touch on. First, I agree with all your takes in the Ravens Vikings pregame video I wrote in the comment section that I agree with your points about the adjustments the Ravens need to make. But I also wrote that I wasn't confident that the Ravens were going to make those adjustments because Harbaugh and his offense and defensive coordinators are too stubborn with their egos. Listen closely to their pressures. Roman clearly says all the time that the Ravens are sticking with the running back-back committee approach even though it's obviously not working. Now, yeah, with the running back-back committee, y'all know how I feel about that when I just, I wish they would just establish a hot hand and stop trying to keep everybody happy because I feel like it would just be better for the team in the long and the short run. Anyway, he said, another thing when the all line is clearly struggling past protecting, why are they steadily running past plays with empty backfield formations? Shake them ahead. And I also don't like that they run an up-tempo offense and crucial moments of the game. Now, what, now that one, I don't understand why you don't like the up-tempo offense. Like why not? Especially if you got to move, you got to get it going, you got to keep it going. And the up-tempo offense is something that I would actually like to see a bit more. Especially when they move in that ball, I would like to see them just keep moving that ball and keep putting the pressure on that defense and that doesn't allow them to make substitutions, especially if you got a mismatch. I think they should do that a bit more. He said, not a wink. He tells us in the presses that we always go in the blitz with everybody in that, and that we're a positionless defense. All I've seen is the Ravens giving up big plays, game after game, because nobody on the defense is actually in position. Shaking my head. He got safeties at linebacker spots, linebackers deep in coverage, and the defense looking out of whack. We don't get sacks because they rotate the past rushes after every single play. Now, with that part, okay, and he said, he said, who's going to get in any kind of groove like that? Shaking my head. I know this is a long email, and trust me, I have a litany of other things I can ran about too, but just curious to hear your thoughts on my observation slash takes hashtag Ravens nation. Yes, the part with the past rushes. Yeah, and again, we know you need touched on it, but it's true. If you don't let somebody get into a rhythm, how are they going to really get going? Like, if they brush the past for one play, hey, come off. Get a breather. Let this guy go now. And it's like, okay. Like, yeah, you're keeping them fresh, but at the same time, they trying to work that offensive lineman and see what that offensive lineman is struggling with to see how they can beat that offensive lineman. You got to let them stay in there. And he don't rotate them after every single play, but there's a lot of rotations and a lot of changeups and stuff. And we just wish that guys could, just like I said, get into more of that rhythm. Just really get into that flow and then really get after that quarterback. Next question came from my boy Ricky B. He said, what's up in Graven? When reading the after game thoughts in the Ravens app, a question that was asked was, what was different in both halves? It was said that they told them to start taking what the defense was giving them. The first half, the defense was taking the deep passes, meaning everything underneath was open. Why did they wait until the second half to tell them all this? Do you think they were trying to let him figure it out himself? I think that needs to be said before every game. I mean, we can still take some shots with them playing deep, but take those easy throws. Appreciate you for all you do, bro. Thank you, Ricky. One thing about the Ravens, I know my guy Skepticoke brought it up before, but while I was watching the Ravens game, I was like, oh wow, there it goes. They don't really have an underneath passing game. They don't. Their passing game is intermediate stuff. It's deep stuff, but underneath, they don't really work underneath on the field. The short passing game. They don't. It seems like with Ravens passing game, it's one of those things where it's more like an in all or nothing type of thing. And defenses, they can key in on that stuff, so it's important that you establish something underneath too. Little drag routes, little slants and stuff like that. Like Ravens, I feel like sometimes with the passing game, they can over complicate things.  Again, simple stuff. Simple stuff. Just to get your receivers going, just to get them in a little rhythm and whatnot. So I would like to see a lot more of that moving forward because it would really open up the pass game. But as far as, yeah, and that would help with Lamar taking with what's in front of him. Because they know that he want to get that deep ball to Hollywood. They know that he want to get a shot, they've been going to, and then soon Sammy, when he gets back as well. So it's important that if you're not getting that, even if you are getting that, still work underneath of the field too. And it shouldn't take the second half to start doing that. The last question on this episode, a question from Subbs came from a boy Lord Valley. He said, What's up, my boy? Big trust and big love to you and the family. Appreciate it, man. Finally, QB wide receiver and Titan are producing at once. I kind of feel that us wanting a run game to be 150 yards plus a game is being greedy because we are spoiled. We have everything that we need on offense. And as I saw, our running back started to turn the clock back in the fourth quarter. Once they saw we got a shot to win. And once again, like the Raiders game, Lamar wins the game and defense gives up a touchdown. Hey, but look, they made up for it because yeah, Lamar, they got the go ahead touchdown. And I was, I thought that the defense was going to end it, but you saw what happened. But then in overtime, Lamar through the pick and Anthony ball, crazy play, crazy great play, but the defense made the stop. They held them. So they made up for it. They was like, okay, we got you. But anyway, he said, but he said Stevens got to be aware on the fourth downplay seriously. My question for you is with the Dolphins and a trip to Chicago next, do you think the team should go into these trap games? Or how do you think the team should go into these trap games? Because remember, we won, but every top team lost, but the Titans were seven and two. So what should we focus on with these two teams in the game to help strengthen our play on the backend of the season? Peace, brother. Nothing but consistency, consistency and starting off earlier. I think one of the biggest things that I would love to see in these next couple of games against the Dolphins and the Bears, even though they are lesser teams or whatnot, they still NFL players and they still, it's any given Sunday. So Ravens obviously can sleep on them.  Because if you get off to a slow start, anything you do that is negative for your team that will give the opposing team that much more confidence and be like, hold up, these two, they, they really ain't that much better than us. Because if you let them hang around, if you let these bad teams hang around, that gives them confidence and they don't have anything to play for. So a team that doesn't have anything to play for, those are the most dangerous types of teams. So yeah, these are two trap games for sure. But Ravens just can't fall for the trap. And again, they've been phenomenal at not falling for the trap under Lamar Jackson. Don't start the trend now. So they need to get out early, get out to early leads and just keep applying that pressure and hold them out of the end zone, hold these teams out of the end zone, don't give them any type of confidence.


Anyway, Shout out to everyone who is here with us on social Friday online in the morning that is Rajjis the DJ Sandu Udi I am Kwaqifanya Üdil from 7 it's not about the Stop. Hari 10, Don Refika Tamati We have another interview on this edition of Social Friday in a travel edition We would like you guys to reminisce with us We are asked that question on Facebook What is this destination that you've been to that you'll never forget for good or bad reasons, tell us on our Facebook page at Y254, Twitter at Y254 channel, Instagram at Y254 underscore, channel without much further ado. It's time to introduce the second guest of the day and she goes by the name Eve Lucky and she's the CEO and founder of Dynasty Expeditions, which is a tour and travel company. Thank you. Alright, your camera is number three. Introduce yourself just in case I missed to mention something in your credentials or in your CV. Okay, so I go by the name Eve Lucky Karitu. I am the CEO and co-founder of Dynasty Expeditions. I am a first one. I love travel and yeah. It's about time to introduce me, Mr. First one. Mezoia, I'm a last one sir. Me no, me first one was about Gujula Krishwa. Yeah, Gujula Krishwa. Anyway, to introduce me, Mr. First one. Thank you very much. Thank you very much Karibu Sana, to social pride on mind the morning and Grace saying this travel edition that we have. One thing I wonder, running a two-and-travel company, I'm guessing you have trips almost every weekend, do you have to go to each and every one of them to have that one-on-one with your clients and get that personal touch? And then number two, do you get bored of going to these trips sometimes? So Anza naswali ya kwanza? Ya kwanza. Yes, I have to be in at least all of them for their personal touch, their personal experience. I love mingling with people. I am a social butterfly, so I think yes. Social butterfly? Yes. Learn that when you get through this social butterfly. Yes, so I believe I will need to be in all the trips that we have. Number two, what are the second questions? The second one is, do you ever get bored of going to these trips over and over and over again? No, no, no. I do not get bored at all at all. So if we join dynasty expeditions, there's no boredom? There's no boredom? That is guaranteed. How did you get into this space? How did I get into this space? I've always had interest in travel since I was very young. I majored in it. How long have you been in this business? Ya kuzuru na everywhere. So I majored in tourism management in Strathmore. Graduated, went into the tourism field. So I've been working for four years in the tourism industry, travelling in tourism. And that's when I came last year, 2020, when I now decided to venture into this business as a career. Alright, alright. So it's a career right about now. And since you've been in this tourism field, what's your opinion on the Naomi Campbell situation? Naomi Campbell situation, I think congratulations to her for the... Congratulations to Naomi. Yes, congratulations to her. Yes, with the current situation, I believe it is a good thing, but I don't think there will be much difference now because the US was the most hit country with Covid. So business is picking up slowly. We are now at 30%. I believe by the second quarter of the year, we will be at 50. So with Naomi, maybe it will take time as we progress because of the current situation. But I think she is a good fit. She is a good fit for the job. Yes, for the job, yes. Connect nama saungu kukule. Yes, and together with Joe Biden, I think it's a... It's a good combination. It's a good combination. I like your head is that right there. Thank you very much for that one. Okay, so being somebody in the tourism field, we are told that local tourism has grown tremendously during the year of 2020, the year of Covid. Yes. Do you second this? Yes, I second and third and fourth this year. Oh, right. Because at least with the Covid situation, it came with the positives. You see, most people, most Kenyans prefer to travel outside the country. So with Covid, it gave us the opportunity to explore Kenya as a travel destination. We've seen how KTV has been marketing the country very much. I am proud to be Kenyan because we get to find the hidden treasures in Kenya. And people are willing to now explore Kenya, which is a good thing for me. And I thank Covid for that. Alright, so Covid has come with the goods and the bag. And one of the goods is that it has encouraged Kenyans to travel more and more and more. Yes, especially like the coast, I love the coast. So I saw when I think when the president lifted the ban around towards the end of 2020, the memes going around how kama ujenda mombasa wewe, you're missing out, which is a good thing. People saying you're flooding coast but I like it that way because people get to now know coast as a destination. You don't need to go outside the country. I get that. Alright, so when Kenyans think travel, the first thing that pops in their minds is coast. Yes. Right? Traveling locally. Yeah. What's your take on that? And do you think it's the right way to think as a Kenyan, considering you've been to all these destinations, are they missing out on something? I think it depends on someone's interest. You see, the Kenyan coast, I think the people who think of the Kenyan coast are people who love water and beach, but we have so many destinations that people can go to. We also have, for me, I think it's a good thing. I don't mind people flooding the coast because it's a plus, but I think Kenyans should try and explore other destinations. We have nice destinations like Takawiri Island, beach, very nice places. You've been to all these places? Yes. With the beach, nice sandy beaches just like the coast. So I think it's more of Kenyans to be aware of these destinations or for us in the travel industry to make them more aware. That is the reason we are to cover the travel edition, your social Friday. Thank you very much for pointing that out. I'd like to get into some personal questions, if you don't mind. No problem. But there are fun questions at the same time. Let's start with the last TV show that you watched and why. Last TV show I watched was Zumbos Just Desserts. It's a reality cooking show. In Kenya? No, not in Kenya, in Australia. We have home cooks who come to the show and make desserts. Very nice desserts. So I like the show because I got to know you can eat desserts, but they are healthy. I never knew that. Because what I knew was dessert is ice cream, cholesterol. Sweet cake meaning okay. I saw you can make desserts from cucumber, paper, just healthy. And they are sweet. That is cucumber. I never knew that I would like to eat cucumber. No, like ice cream. I never knew that I would like to eat cucumber. That was a nice show. But you love living healthy, I can tell. Yes, I try. It's a passion. You try. I try. Okay, okay. Okay, as we proceed, what's your favorite song from the 90s? Ya, my brother there was some heave song. That's Rajizakwa now. Favourite song? Let me hope it's Rajizakwa. Ya, I love song. I think I heard it the first time during my parents' wedding. How does it? I swear by all four, all four one. I swear by the moon. Ya, it's because you are going to request to us. Okay. Anyway, I like that one. I like the hum. So what were you like in ice cream? You can remember. I was. In a few words. Just one word. To me are two adjectives, come and build it. I was one word mischivius. Mischivius? Yes. Wow, you don't seem like it. Ya, that is the worst form of mischivius. When you don't seem like your mischivius. Alright, I like it. So let's move on. What's the funniest thing that has happened to you in one of these trips? Funniest in December when I was in Nyahoruru. I always laugh at people when they foil. So this is what happened when I went to Nyahoruru. It was raining heavily. I had hot coffee on this hand. Then snacks, sisru and some more. We had just stopped on the while driving to buy some things to eat. So I don't know if what happened I just fell down and the people around me and it's raining, my coffee fell. So I felt the pain, but I just remember how I laugh at people and they laugh. I laughed at myself. So karma is real? Karma is real. So I was like, oh god. They just fall. Ya, that is the funniest thing. Okay, so let me find another good one for you. Alright, alright, alright, alright. So let's say you woke up one day and you had 2,000 red emails and you only had to read like 10 of them. That is the only time you can get. How would you pick the ones to read? How would I pick? I would read from the subject and see which ones have returned on investment. So we check in the subject. So if now it's a company email, I'll look for the ones that are booking requests. So people, you better book your request and how can they get to book their request now that you're on that. Ya, so you can check out our website dynasticspeditions.com, our social media handles, dynasticspeditions on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. You can email us on info at dynasticspeditions.com and you can also DM me on my personal IG Lucky Carito. Strictly business. Alright, thank you for that one. So the last guest we had Alex told us, Kenya is very beautiful. It doesn't even have to need to be compared. So as a person who has travelled in a scale of 1 to 10, how beautiful is this country of ours Kenya? Because people who are living in Kenya be looking at pictures of New York, pictures of Cape Town and the rest of them and think that it would be much better to go on vacation there than this place. How beautiful is Kenya in a scale of 1 to 10, I would say Kenya is at 10. 10? Yes, it's at 10. I would say Kenya is at 10. I'll still give it a 10 because it's a very beautiful country. 10? Yeah, I'll give it a 10. Okay. Yes, confidently. Alright, alright, alright. But I like you have your reasons and people confine themselves to the cities, this part of the city, Nichafu, which is a very small place compared to the rest of the very big, vast, beautiful Kenya. Yes. Thank you very much for that one. It's about that time that we give this DJ right here a challenge. Are you ready? Yes. It's your chance. So I'm going to ask you a few questions to help you give the DJ a challenge. Who's your favourite artist at the moment? Jason Derulo. Jason Derulo. I was hoping you say something from Kenya but it's okay. Anyway, Jason Derulo, it is for you. Yeah. Which period Jason Derulo was your best? Personally, I'm a fan of, say, Drake. I love his album and nothing was the same. That's my favourite album, that period Drake. Which period Jason Derulo was your favourite? Period. I think when he used to date Jordan Sparks. Are you a fan of the music? Okay, the music. Let me tell you, the music is Sky's the Limit. I love that song. I think that's when I fell in love with Derulo. Sky's the Limit. I'm running solo. Which other one? Does marry me? There's a number. So, the challenge is Raju's Achize Ngoma Tatuza Jason Derulo. Atapata? Love not war. Atapata? Tatuza Jason Derulo. Alright, thank you very much for that one, Raju's. As you line that up, please remind them in your social media how they can find you and how they can get to do bookings and how they can get to get discounts as well. What can you want to do in a digital tab? Yes. So, you can get us on our social media platforms that is Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and Twitter all of them are dynastics editions. Our website has all the discounts, all the offers especially now that Valentine's is coming up. We have offers lined up. But you have pressure. Yes. You don't have to have someone. We have a group travel on the 14th just here in Tarakwet. It is going to be a fun meet and grill experience. You can DM us. We are always active on social media and will respond. Anything you want, budget friendly, we'll custom make it for you. Alright. Thank you very much for that one. On to the question on Facebook today, which is that destination that you've travelled to that you'll never ever forget? Wasini Island. Because I love water and the sea life at Wasini is very nice. So different types of fish, the coral. I love the place. Where is Wasini? Wasini. In terms of geographical. Kosto. The Kosto region. Alright. Okunda. Kostukuna. These are sides of Okunda. Alright. You'll never forget that one for sure. Thank you very much for coming through. We appreciate you and keep doing what you're doing. Encouraging canyons to travel. To travel, yes. That is Karitu. Yes. That is Karitu. CEO and co-founder of Dynasty Expedition. Find them online and book your date. Book your date to travel. Unwind. And let's end this. Hizima stress za kufukana na sofyo media. Watuwa na kufukana na juwakuna stress. Yeah. Watuwa ndu wa tembe. Watuwa tembe. Travel actually aids depression. Yes. Travel in asa idea sana katika depression. Sana sana with depression. Alright. We have come to the end of this. We are going to listen to some music. Jacinda Rulo is going to feature the courtesy of Karitu here from Savki Dogo. But a lot of others.


Tis the season for festive football and the best way to watch it, down at your local Green King Sports pub of course, after all Christmas is the time to catch up with friends old and new, so get the team to your local for refreshing pints, delicious food and live action of every Christmas cracker. Every fixture from TNT, Sky, Amazon is live at Green King Sports. That means water ball action on our huge HD screens. Head to your local Green King and watch every winning goal, toppings, volley and dodgy VAR decision in an atmosphere worth sharing. Download the Green King Sports app and you'll get 10% off drinks every time the sports on telly. Hello, welcome to the 1878 FM podcast, me, Ped, Davidi and our special guest for today is Ned. You all wanted him and he's here. Yeah, I just feel like telling bars you can't come on today's podcast because you won't narrow it instead, it's slightly harsh but it has to be done. No, I think Ned would. I think that Christmas has come early for us as a community and a brotherhood across the world. It has and it kind of feels like Christmas has came early for me too because it is such an honour to be on this podcast I must say. Absolutely. Well, there you go. Bars has failed the fitness test. I mean, it's not like, you know, it's not like, I don't want to say it, but Bars has failed the fitness test. I don't, is this the first one he's ever missed? No, I think he's missed, I think he's missed another one, maybe only one in the whole time that we've been doing this, but I think that he might have missed one before. I think he's done well, he's done well very much the James Tarkowski of the podcast.  Take your chance. I'm taking this, I'm like, he's gone for a week now, this is my chance to shine. Take your chance. And I'm going to be become the number one. Well, I think you've got every chance, Ned. He'll be working for me next week. I mean, yeah, I mean, you'll hear more about that in the coming days, I'm sure, but with all in good spirits, obviously we've all, we're coming off the back of a win, Dave, a nice away win at Nothing on Forest on a Saturday night when we all needed that little lift. I mean, tremendous victory, wasn't it, in the end? I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it was good. And as you say, it was exactly what we needed, not a place that you were guaranteed three points by any stretch. And actually, you know, for us to have been doing okay, difficult to break down. I thought to be fair, I thought they were quite poor on Saturday. I mean, we were good. They were below standard, but I thought we totally deserved it and we played some nice stuff. And, you know, McNeill's goal was great. He could have had another one as well before that was cleared off the line. Beto had that decent chance as well. So yeah, I think it was the right results and a much needed three points in our escape to victory clamber from the bottom. It was lovely to just go somewhere, wasn't it? And, you know, even if they're not at their best, it was lovely to just go somewhere and do the job and just have enough and not really, and I know we had a couple of hairy moments, not fully fledged, scary moments, but a couple of moments where you're like, what do you expect? Do you expect that you're playing away at a team that isn't used to getting beaten at home? Is it nice to just press home the advantage? And for the most part, it was as comfortable a 1-0 win, I would say you could have. I'd agree. And again, I think it was nice to see us not be in the situation that we found ourselves in so many times where, you know, again, I never used the word roue, as in, you know, I don't mean like the French street. I mean, as in, you know, you roue the chances, that's the only time you ever kind of use it. We do often roue the chances that we miss, and it was nice on this occasion to actually have played better than them and obviously won it, not only on points in a boxing term, but actually got all three points and won it fair and square. And yeah, well deserved. Ned, you didn't watch the game live, did you? Because of commitments? I watched the game until about the last 10 minutes.  How did you feel when you realised you haven't won? Well, it's just, it's not surprise anymore. So it was job done, basically. Away games like these now, to me, you feel like when we used to go into home games like this under David Moyes and you just felt like it was a routine, a routine win. They had no real threat. Didn't really do much for me, which is getting through the first five minutes because they've had some good starts. I think their best threat was probably Anthony Alango against Ash Leung, but they didn't seem to use him. They didn't seem to get him into the game. And when he did, he didn't really have anyone on the end of his chances. Chris Wood was pretty poor, I think he dealt with him quite well, but we've got big centre backs, mobile centre backs were also pretty good on the ball as well. So I thought we controlled the game really well.  But apart from that early one where Alango won a foul in the corner, I don't think Alango really troubled. There's that much in the thoughts, Ash Leung. Credit worker that you had a really good game against him and just a professional game where he kept them, he just kept them quiet. Yeah, no, I agree. I think Ash Leung did OK. I mean, Pickford obviously sort of came charging out as well with the other chance when Alango had the ball at his feet and, you know, proper known nonsense, you know, sorting out that situation. And just generally, I thought Tarkowski was immense. I mean, really just an absolute warrior performance. I thought he was fantastic.  But I thought Tarkowski again is just, I mean, he's exactly for me the sort of player that you want in that side, in the situation that we're in. Yeah, you wouldn't swap him for anybody. I don't think at the moment and he's that important.  That sort of first name on the team sheet for me. And incidentally, actually, while we're here, congratulations to Phil Jagi Elka on a magnificent career. He obviously hung up his boots last week, but a great player for us, great player for many, many sides. And, yeah, good to see the best looking man coming back for preseason award every year. Went to Phil Jagi Elka. He looked good with a tan, didn't he? He always looked like he'd been on the golf course for a couple of months and just rolled into preseason looking immaculate and, yeah, what a guy, what a guy. But what is nice is, I mean, we can sit here and we can say how disappointing for us were or whatever. But I just thought we kept them at bay. We stopped them from really doing anything. And when you look at that table and obviously the predicament we find ourselves in, there are a lot of teams who are not dissimilar to Forrest where if you just, if you can just keep them, I mean, you know, just keep them quiet because they haven't got lots and lots of talent. There's a lot of points available, isn't there Dave? There's a lot of points out there which can get us up to the table. And when you look at what the table in an alternative world would have looked like, you know, 11th place that win would have put us without the 10 point deduction. It does prove that we are on the right track and there are still a lot of points to be won. I agree with you.  I mean, tough games, tough games tomorrow night. And we'll see a time of recording. This is Wednesday, the 6th, isn't it? It is the 6th tomorrow night, Newcastle, you know, and then we've got Chelsea and we've got Burnley away. But there's points there, you know? And listen, I'm confident that we'll be okay. You know, I'm not being overly confident. I'm not taking, you know, I'm not getting too, too ahead of ourselves based upon Saturday's performance and the set of these results, but I think we'll be okay. Ned, you were telling me before, you were a little bit worried, just in general, obviously coming into the Newcastle game, but you know, just in general, what are you, how are you feeling about where we are right now? Obviously, we're still in the bottom three as we record this. Luton have just been beaten, Burnley have just beaten. That was a good, I was watching that last night on the way home. That was a well timed, you know, sort of winning goal, wasn't it? Oh, I checked, I was checking. I wasn't watching, I just, I couldn't watch just because I just couldn't be bothered. I just looked, I seen it was full, I seen it was full time before I saw it, it was four, three. I was like, oh my God, they've got one. And then I just flicked on the app and just checked the winning goal, but how are you feeling, Ned? How are you feeling about the whole thing at the moment? No, I think we're definitely on an upward trajectory. Easy for you to say, Ned, would you? I just feel like we've got a consistent 11, we're seeing the consistent performances, even the games where my drop points were still the same level of performance. We just, you know, we missed chances, but that's been something that we've seen a few times in the season. It's just a shame that, you know, early on in the season, and we spoke for the past few seasons, how important is to get our transfer business done early and we've seen that, you know, the failure to do so. We've missed those opportunities to be teams like Wolves, Fulham, and these are the teams that without, if we get our points back, we will be, you know, competing with around mid-table. Because in those games, you know, it was similar to the Forrest game, we didn't really give them much. Fulham and Wolves had nothing the whole game, basically, apart from the goals they scored, obviously. And we had the same, had a lot of chances, got at them, but just couldn't take those chances. So if we took out, if we'd done our business early, we might have had even more points. Absolutely right. It's a curious mindset at the moment, Dave. See, I find myself in because I don't know where you are, do you expect us to get any points back, Dave? No, no. It's a quick and the honest answer. And I'm not basing that on any inside information or anything like that, you know, and actually that's just a gut feeling and a snapshot reaction. You may tell me that actually there are, no, no, I'm genuinely, you know, you may have heard stuff that would indicate that perhaps the chances are more likely than I'm saying. I just personally, I don't think we're getting anything back. That's my gut feel. And I'd rather be in that situation as well in so much as if anything were to happen, then it would be a bonus. But in my mind, those points are gone now for the rest of season. We have to survive with the 10 point deduction. No, that's honestly, that's probably the best way to look at it. And I certainly haven't heard anything. I'm just looking round sort of the evident world and just gauging different reactions and obviously politicians and media and stuff. And certainly I think, I mean, when I've gone back over all ground, certainly I do think there's definitely a case that we can win some of those points back just because when you look at the reasons why they were taken off as it just seems nonsense. But that just, just getting away from that. That just puts me in a very strange mindset at the moment where I'm looking at the teams that were that are around us at the moment. And of course we want to get away from them. But then I've got a half an eye on your boar myths, your fulums, your forests, palaces, wolves. And I'm like, some of these games, you look at them and think, if this result happens, it might be bad for us right now. But you know, if we get some points back, you think that would help us, that it's such a... But you're absolutely right. We should play the ball where it lies. We shouldn't... Absolutely. We shouldn't really be worrying about that. And that's where I think Sean Dyson, certainly he's just done his press conference now. And I think that's his mindset.  Get to a position of safety. And then if we do get our points back, then it is a bonus to take us up the lead. Go on then. Well, I think it still shows how well we're doing, because there's a massive difference in the past couple of seasons. You know, we've been looking at the teams, you know, blows most of the time, thinking, well, we'll get our striker back soon. And that was the wrong mentality. Whereas now, I think Dave's absolutely right. But we've still got that... You know, we've been in the bottom three for the past couple of weeks because of the 10 points. But we're still looking at the teams above us and still thinking we can catch these and there's no worries. And I think that's down to how well we've been playing certainly away from home. Yeah, I mean, I should say, both saying it, it's just a... It's part hope more than anything else. It's part hope that we do get some points back. I don't expect us to get obviously 10 points back, but, you know, you will know this, Dave, from obviously being working around the EFL. Teams do seem to get points back on appeal, don't they? And it wouldn't be the first time this has happened. So it's just seeing some of those teams. I think it's more looking at last week and seeing that we would have been in 11th place and thinking, how impressive is that a start that we've got 11 points early December? And sorry, 11th place, sorry, with 17 points. And obviously, that's not the reality of where we are, but, you know, it just shows you how good the job was. Even going into that forest game, having more points than forest, and we've won, sorry, we've won more points than forest. Even that kind of stuff, that's what we've got to wake up, I suppose, with our mentality. I think so. And as you say, you know, the chances of getting some of the points back is, yeah, it's a possibility and it may happen and it has happened before, but I think my thing with that is, I just, in the world of football bodies and the management structure of these bodies, in order for the points, or some of the points to be awarded back, it has to be a bit of a hands up sort of acknowledgement of they got it wrong in a way. And I just, I think that that's unlikely to happen. Whether it should happen or not is an entirely different matter and I think we all know where we stand on that, but I just can't see them putting their hands up and kind of going, you know what, yeah, actually we got that wrong, we were over harsh, et cetera, et cetera. I just don't see them losing face in that way. And I think that the egos and the arrogance and, you know, all of those other wonderful words that float around these institutions, I think will make that unlikely in my opinion, but it is only my opinion and I would very much like to be proven. No, I agree, I totally, I think we all, as Evertonians, we've all become very skeptical, obviously, of the whole procedure and even though it is a new commission. Yeah, you're probably right. In a fair world, I think there's a lot of data, a lot of order, the evidence being published by a lot of well-informed Evertonians or people who work in legal departments or whatever, who've already basically proved that the 10 points are nonsense and proved that there's so many different things, whether it be West Ham with Tevez situation, Tottenham in the 90s, there's all kinds of things that prove that the 10 points are nonsense, but they'll always have an argument for it won't be the Premier League. So I mean, again, that's for a few months away and I suppose you probably do have to park that. And we've got two games coming up now, Dave, two massive games this week, Newcastle, as you've already mentioned, and then Chelsea at home on Sunday. If Everton could get, say, four points out of this, out of these two games, that would be amazing, wouldn't it? Because obviously the home form hasn't been great in terms of results. Shaun Dye said today that he actually thinks we've played better at home, just that we haven't taken our chances. But if we could get four points out of these two games, that would put us in a great position to start to, certainly you would imagine, well, that would get us out the bottom three of the margin by the end of Sunday, be at the end of the weekend. That put us in a great place going, obviously, to Bayley next week as well. It would, you know, obviously, it would put us in a great place, literally, in terms of where that would see us on the table. But also, I just think the bonus and the effect on the squad and the mentality as a whole would be huge if they were to get four points in those two games. It's not going to be an easy ask at all. We know that. I actually rate tomorrow night against Newcastle as being tougher for me than Sunday against Chelsea. I think so, yeah. You know, and certainly wouldn't have said that 18 months ago, but that's my feeling. You know, I see the echo whipping up a load of shite as well about Anthony Gordon coming back as well, you know, and they're stirring it there. So, you know, we'll see. But yeah, you know, it will be tough. But yeah, if we can get something out of those four points, it'd be amazing. No, Newcastle will be very difficult. And obviously, Anthony Gordon will be coming back looking to prove a point because he's in great form. And I don't quite understand why anyone needs to whip up anything about Anthony Gordon. I think we sold them because we needed to sell them. I don't think anyone was really that bothered. Evertonings, when Newcastle have got a great player and that it might turn out to be a bargain, but ever needed the money. And it's as simple as that. And we all know the position we're in.   I just think it's because of what's been built up over the fixture in the past couple of years, like a false rivalry. And like I was saying before, I never used to fear these at all as a team, certainly coming to Goddison. But with the past couple of years and we had the 2-2, which was, you know, such a full straight result. That's got to be one of my worst ever nights in football. Do you remember that one, Dave? Two-0 up in injury time. And obviously last year with a 4-1, which was... Even the 1-0 year before was a really horrible 10th atmosphere. It was such a relief at the end when they got the winner. And last year, the atmosphere was so tense, it was nervous. We got off to a really good... I'd say we looked like we were going to get off to a really good start, but we couldn't get that goal and then we just fell to pieces. I don't think... I think the likelihood that that can happen with this Everton team now is obviously B-3 in the United, but I don't think that was... I don't think we collapsed like we did in the 4-1 against Newcastle last year. And it's certainly not a team that I massively fear, same with Chelsea. I think the two average teams, I think... I watch Newcastle at Bournemouth and with a few players out, they're flat to deceive. I still think with the injuries they've got, they keep up being out, bottoming being out, I think they can be easy to get at. They're a way record, isn't great, Dave, which obviously gives us hope. Obviously Nick Pope, don't want to see anyone get injured, obviously, but Nick Pope's out for four months now. They've got... I think they play spares on Sunday, and they've got Milan on Wednesday night, so they've got big games ahead. They might see this as an opportunity to maybe, if they can, maybe leave a couple of players out who were struggling, and there had been talk, actually, that Anthony Gordon was one of them, but I can't see him missing this game, but it will be a different mentality. And I think also that the two games we've played in previously, both on a Thursday night, they've both come in April time as well, the business end where everyone's feeling it, where I think even though we've had the 10-point deduction, I think as a fan base, we all feel a little bit more relaxed, and that might help with this fixture. Well, it does, because as we said before, now that those points have gone, as a squad and as a club, we've got nothing to lose. Do you know what I mean? By any of these games, and therefore it's just a situation of like, let's just go in. I mean, even when you look at the entire... The entire bigger picture is that if we were to get relegated, there's a worst case scenario, is that there would actually be no shame in that based upon the fact that it will have come as a result of a 10-point deduction. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And so, therefore, the only achievement this season is to stay up, and anything beyond that is a bonus. But if we stay up and we finish 17th and we stay up on goal difference or by a point or something like that, that will be a victory that will be, you know, a mountain climbed. Be a victory for football, Dave. Pardon? Be a victory for football. It will be a victory for football and for common sense and for the, you know, for good people in the world. Yeah, I think it'll be celebrated worldwide, very much like the end of the turn of the Jedi. Yeah. I think it will very much be... There'll just be a shot of all different nations, and there'll just be fireworks and e-woks. E-woks and all those. It'll be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, Chelsea, obviously, is tough, but... But again, they're a bit all over the place. It's beautiful, though, isn't it? Yeah, definitely they're all over the place, aren't they? But where do you see... Where do you see, like, you know, because we're coming, obviously, to December... We're in December. We're going to get to the halfway point soon. How many points would you like to see us, or where do you think would be a good retain for the rest of the month to get us to that halfway point when you start looking at, like, obviously, first half points tallies and second half points tallies? Wait, how many more points do you think we need this month to look at it and go, actually, this hasn't been a bad start of the season? I'm just looking at the fissures now, to be honest with you, just in terms of where... Where stuff potentially will come from. We've got Burnley, we've got Spanley away, Spears away. Manchester City. I'm just telling them, I'm telling the audience, then. We've got Man City at home, as they retain from the World Club Championships, so they'll all be knackered and everything. And then I think we've got Wolves away, is it? Wolves on the 30th, yeah. And then, obviously, then we're into the third round of the Cup at Palace, 6th of Jan. So, working backwards, right? There's points at Wolves, for sure, right? We're not going to beat Man City at home on the 27th, so we can forget that. Spurs away is going to be tough as well before Christmas. So, with that in mind, OK, let's optimistically take your prediction or your hope of four points in the next two, right? We then beat Burnley away, right? Seven points. Nothing at Spurs, nothing against City. I'm being realistic. Yeah, yeah, there's still seven points. And then, let us be conservative and say, we'd like to win at Wolves, but we'd take a point, eight points between now and the turn of the year is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I had, I had seven, seven points. OK, to be honest with you, seven is probably more realistic. I mean, because when and I think I think the way that I would look at that is I think we're going to be going some to to get points out of Thursday night and Sunday. I think there's realistically more like three points there. I think we lose one, I think we win one. To be honest, I didn't even, I'm not even looking at it from a point of view of how many points will we get? Oaks, can we get? I'm looking at as actually what's not a bad retain for the start of the season. And I think if we get seven more points, I think that, you know, I think what would that be 24 points in reality? I don't think that's a terrible start to the season. I mean, if you double that and we end up with like 48. And I actually think in the second half of the season, we'll pick up more points than we will in the first half for all the reasons of more of a settled side, centre forwards, team being a little, you know, team as team being more together, know what it needs to do. I think you always pick up more points in the second half of the season anyway, when you sort of struggle, when you struggle inside, you know, we don't always get off to a great start. So I think if we get seven more points this month, I don't think it's been a terrible start to the season, considering where we were in the summer and how we were coming into the season. So then I don't think that's a... I mean, I know it's not a great retain, 24 points, and I know you've got to take 10 off that. But I'm looking in reality, you can't, you can't, you can't like, we can't be angry because someone took 10 points off us and say, we haven't got 34 points, can we? All we can say is the team, what have the team give us? And I think if we could get seven, if we could get eight and get us to like 25 points in reality, rather than what's on the table, I don't think that's a terrible retain, considering what we had last season and where we are as a football club right now and everything going on. And of course, in reality, that wouldn't be in reality, but then I think we can pick up more points second half and still get to say 40 points. Go on then. I think if you get to a point where you're 24 points, mid-20s, I think, certainly a Christmas, that's probably, you know, a points tally, that two of the three teams at the bottom that go down this season might not even get to. So I think what that does, it takes a lot of the pressure off, which is something that we've had for a few years now. We've had so much pressure going to that second period of the season. Unfortunately, we have got the 10 points and I think that does change things. That Burnley game is going to be, going to be huge. And I think there will be some shot results because there always isn't December. There's a lot of injuries. It's cold. You know, people are coming in the back of Champions League. There's a lot of games. So there's always some shot results. But I think if we can get to mid-teens, you know, not to worry about the 10 points for now, we'll just get as many points on top of the bottom of three as we can because we're still in at the moment. I think there's an idea as well, Dave, that people shouldn't get shocked when if Luton pick up points, if Burnley pick up points, if Sheffield. Because teams will always improve during the season. It's very, you know, it's not... We've had, obviously, we had like the Derby's when they got like whatever it was and we've had Norwich a couple of seasons ago. But teams will improve. Luton are improving week in and week out. You can't be shocked that they're going to pick up points because they will, I think, you know, the bottom three will all get around 30 points because they just will, they'll get to that stage. It's a case for us to get, obviously, more than that. Yeah, you know, when Chris Wilder will make Sheffield United better, I suspect certainly in the short term. No, you're right. And I'm not concerned about, you know, yes, I was, I was, I was... I mean, if it weren't for this situation, ordinarily, you know, it'd be great to see Luton get something against Arsenal, but not in this situation when, you know, directly affects us. So I was delighted when, you know, that fourth goal went in. But yeah, they will pick up points, of course they will. You know, they can't lose every week. But you'd like them to, but they won't. They won't lose every week. So yeah, we'll see what happens. Yeah, absolutely. I think, I think, I think we're OK. No, absolutely. And I said, going back to, going back to the forest game, I think you could see there's a structure there. There's two centre-backs know what they're doing. Yeah. Michael Encoe's starting to look a real good player. You've got options at right back as well. And of course, we do have the little thing hanging over as of the Coray's on four yellow cards, Brandt's on four yellow cards, Ashley Young's on four, but that's not as much of an issue because we do have two right-backs on the bench. I think a lot of teams are going to have them in... Of course they are, yeah. You're always looking at yourself, don't you? Not always looking at... But they are big players for us, aren't they? Yeah, yeah. They aren't necessarily... I don't know, Michael Keane will come back into the side and bless the fella, I don't want to see that. And the Coray's an odd one because I honestly don't know who's replaced the Coray. I don't know what they do. O'Nan is maybe Sunday he'll return and obviously it sounds like Dom's going to be back for tomorrow as well. So we're doing all right. We're all right where we are and things are not looking as bad as they probably were a week ago and I think that's the world sort of shown Dice lives in, isn't it? It is where he doesn't have those emotions like we do as football fans. He has that very level headed position of don't look at the table, I know what we want to do. Man United game wasn't as bad as everyone thought it was. It wasn't as bad as the score line suggested either. No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't. So yeah, we are where we are and hopefully we get some points for this week. Right, let's move into I think everyone's favourite bit and I'm looking forward to here. This is where Ned's going to shine, Dave. OK, I mean, to be honest with you, I think he's shined, shined already. Yeah, he has shined already. Christmas. You are, you could be, you could be mistaken for an angel. I wouldn't say so. OK. I played a farmer in the Nativity. You played the farmer in the Nativity. Yeah, that's interesting actually. I had one, and do you know what? I got a distinction star at theatre, at A level. I was amazing. I played Mickey, the lead of Blood Brothers. Oh yeah? Yeah, in primary they made me a farmer. I had like one line, it was like that way. Yeah, but surely that was primary, it was your early days. That's where you started. I was still probably the best actor there. The best farmer. But you know, they just had something to get me. Are any of these on your IMDB? No, Tovi TV and Blood Brothers. Daddy, yeah, it's my... So have you never thought of like taking... Because I reckon Dave's got connections. I reckon he could hook you up. No, I'd love to be, you know, I went to Lipper to do acting. Yeah. I've definitely got that sign. When did you go to Lipper to do acting? No, this is true. This has never been... No, I did an acting course. This has never been brought up. How have we not covered this? Yeah, 15 to 16, I was doing acting. And some of those acts, some of those people that were on there are in like soaps and stuff now, apparently. Name one. I don't know, I couldn't name someone from a soap. Ken Barlow. Ken Barlow is in your Lipper class. Ken Barlow. He wasn't at Lipper at the same time. He's just someone who... He's just someone who isn't in a soap. Oh, I see. I would suggest that Ken Barlow is older than you are. Yeah. So we're just randomly naming people who are in soaps now? Yeah, what I'm saying, the fact that I went to Lipper and people who are in soaps and he's in a soap, meaning Ken Barlow... Kali Manoak. Yeah, we're sort of like connected. So you're connected? Through Hollywood. Well, it's the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, isn't it? Well, that's... I've always thought, like, if there's any career I could go into, apart from this, it probably... And it's why, you know, the adverts have been... Yeah, I mean, the adverts are amazing. ...of flying. It would be acting, because I'm so versatile. Can you think of... Dave, have you... Sorry, I like that, because you're so versatile. He is so versatile. Dave, have you got any interest in, like, Seven Degrees of Kevin or Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon? You know, is there any one you are friends with and it leads you back to Hollywood?  And I honestly don't know off the top of my head. I don't think that I have got any Hollywood connections. Yeah. Or I could probably make some up, you know, or find some for next week. That's it. Do you know what? It's funny doing this. This is why I was asking you, because I'm sure you have got some and you just need to think, but we've had a few people in here who we now class as, you know, friends, show business friends. Andrew Galle, who's an actor, who has worked with Orlando Bloom and Cara Delevingne quite recently. He's worked with... He worked with Jared Harris, who is the son of Richard Harris, the first Dumbledore. Right, yeah. And when I was talking to them and when I was talking to him, I was just like... He was like, yeah, I've worked with this person and I've worked with that person and they're really famous people. Because he's been in a lot of... He's been in Black Midden as well, he's been one of the Black Midden. And I was like... So you know so-and-so, and they clearly... Like Cara Delevingne, obviously, is massively famous. Yeah. But she was in Grand Theft Auto 5. Yeah, radio presenters. She was one of the radio presenters. Didn't know that. So like, we are basically... Hollywood actors. Hollywood... Well, you are. Well, I actually got asked to support Andrew Gower's band. You did? I mean, I said sorry, mate. You said no? I'm playing and wigging or something. Maybe that was an opportunity to take, because there would have been PR men up there, obviously. They'd just been signed. Well, Andrew was in quite recently and he's got... He's in... Actually, I'm not allowed... I don't know if I'm allowed to say, but he's in it. He's in it. He's in the second series of a show that was on Not So Long with David Morrissey, which was set in Nottingham. It's not very much, yeah. And he was, you know... Glad you didn't give that away. No, no, no. I don't think... No, it's important to obviously keep that information under wraps, because, you know, had you effectively said what that secret project was, you know, to many, many millions of viewers around the world, then that could have been, you know, an unprofessional slip. Yeah, I did. I might have lost my opportunity to be in that series. But he was in his band. He's had a band and they were in Liverpool. And he has asked Ned a couple of times. Where did he play the first time? Was it the Jacaranda? The Jacaranda, yeah. He was in the Jacaranda. He asked Ned to play and Ned just basically went, No, I'm playing it wigging. Something like that. I think it was an Ashton or something like that. Ashton! You know.  Yeah, that's it, yeah. I don't wigging in my early days and I'm flat as to disease. Did you act in wigging or just... No, I sang in wigging. Okay. But I acted quickly to get out of there. Oh! I can tell you what. Some dodgy gigs in wigging. It's all coming out. Anyway, let's... Oh, sorry. We'll leave that one with you, Dave. I reckon you've got loads.  And I mean, I can do you a fast track there because I've actually interviewed Orlando Bloom. I remember this. He came in when me and Chappers were doing a Saturday show, I think. We were covering for somebody and Orlando Bloom came in and it was in his fairly early days when he wasn't such a big mega deal as he is now. Chappers or Orlando Bloom? Both, arguably. You know, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, he came in to be interviewed by the likes of us. Hasn't Orlando Bloom always been a big deal though? Literally like the first thing I ever seen him in was Lord of the Rings. Well, I mean, he's always... I mean, he's got the sort of name that would imply that he was destined for great things.  But it's not like he had a sword. He was just an arrow guy. He was barely a big role. He was just an arrow guy. He was just the arrow guy. Wasn't he? He was the cool elf. No. What do you even know? He had a nice... He had cool hair and an arrow. He was an elf. What's that arrow doing? It's killing things. No. It's killing. Just on that day, just while we're on that for a moment, I've seen you had gone for a cheeky pint with the Chappers recently. How was he? Good form? Yeah, he was on good form. Thank you. He was down in London briefly for a meeting about something. And he said that he was around. I mean, we talk... It's nice that he's not forgotten, yeah. Well, do you know what? We've genuinely... We've been good mates for the last 25 years. Yeah. So, yeah, we catch up regularly, and it's always the case of, right, next time you're down, you've got time for a pint, give me a shout, or next time I'm up north, I'll come and stay and see you and the kids. Yeah. So anyway, he was down. We had a quick catch up, and then he was on his way. He's the working man's David Guerrero, I always think. Yeah, I mean... Yeah, I mean, he... In fact, I'm not going to say what I was going to say. Yeah. All I'm going to say is that he would find... He would find that flattery. Both of them, of course, were radio one sports presenters back in the day. That's the link. There's nothing... There was a lot of time ago. There's no weird undertone.  They're on the news, they're on present match of the day. Yeah. They've all done very well for themselves, fair play to them. Absolutely. It's been a successful alumni, and that's not a word that I use often, but they are. Do you? Yeah. Very much like a very productive academy. Like Man City. Like a good vintage year, yeah. Very good. You also were in Liverpool last week. You didn't tell us, but you were there. But you got to go and see the ground in all its glory. I did. What were your... Have you seen it? Have you been down there before? And what were your feelings towards it? Well, first of all, and I thought that this may come up, they just say that unfortunately, I never had a chance to pop in and see you in person because it was very much a flying visit. Arrived on Thursday. Tea time was out Thursday night in town. Fair play. And then in the morning and then back on the road. However, I did, as you rightly say, managed to squeeze in a chance to go and have a look at the new ground for the first time. I have been down... I've been around there before. I've driven down there many, many years ago, but I've not been there since any of the construction had taken place. I'd obviously been updated with stuff that we've seen, various drone shots and various different stages of development. But it was a beautiful sunny blue sky day as well in Liverpool last Friday morning. It was perfect. So I went to go have a look and I parked up and I went for a little nosy. And even though it did say in big letters on a big sign, don't take any pictures. Don't put them on social media. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I thought I'd take my chance, obviously. Because I thought, well, I'm not just any civilian. I'm here on behalf... This is a business trip. I'm here on behalf of Toffee TV. So therefore, I took that as my visa, if you like, to cross the threshold into an area which I was not permitted to be in ordinarily. And I took a couple of pictures and then I took another one, like a panoramic shot from outside the Bramley Mall pub as well on the main road before sort of quickly getting out of the way of a cement mixer. There's a lot of them around there. You know, they are a major hazard in that part of the world. But I managed to avoid that successfully and got back in my car with a couple of snaps of the stadium. And I'll just say it was very, very exciting. Oh, yes, it is. I just think it's going to be an incredible thing. And actually to see it in the flesh was, yeah, it was really quite stirring, if that's the word. No, it is. It's fantastic. I did notice you were out with Mr. Mark Rowan as well. I was out with Mr. Mark Rowan. Good guy. Ex-Everton, of course. Waits for the AFL now, doesn't he? I was all right. I'll be honest, Dave. I was in the company of on Wednesday, Tom Hanks. And then on Thursday, I was in the company of Ralph Fiennes. So I was... You weren't asked that we were in town anyway. I wasn't too bad. Ralph Fiennes is doing Macbeth in Liverpool. And it was amazing. They didn't know that. They were in the company of you, though. So you can't just say... You say that. That's like me just looking at Mac. You say that. I'm all on going, look. I'm making my Mac. You say I was 10 foot away from Tom Hanks one night and 10 foot away from Ralph Fiennes the next night. I was living the life. Dave could probably get you on the phone with Tom Hanks. I mean, no. Maybe. He's got those connections. I mean, he was on the one show the other night with Tom Hanks, along with George Cludy. There was a line up. Did you see that? I didn't, but I saw Graham Norton a tremendous line up of... Wasn't it just? I mean, presumably, was that the first show back of a new series? Because I've not seen it for a while, but I saw that over the weekend and I thought to have Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, who else was on there? Oh, Cher. She was on there. And she doesn't look 77, does she? No. And somebody else... Yeah, the little Wonka lad. Oh, the little... Yeah, yeah, yeah. The little Wonka lad. The good doctor. Yeah. I'm not the good doctor. What are you talking about? No, no, no. The guy, the new lead in the new Wonka film. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know his name. I just can't remember it right now. No. Yeah, I did. All those Tom Hanks stories, anyway, on Wednesday, basically. Well, because exactly, because you were there. Meanwhile, and again, as things sort of, you know... Timothy Shalamath. That's his name. There you go. Whereas I was actually... I walked past, you know, the aforementioned Jack O'Randa as well. On Thursday. See? Oh, full circle. There you go. There you go. Let's get into some of your questions. Stuart says, if Evan could overtake the 10-point penalty on the condition, they'd have to play in red all season and run out so you'll never walk alone. Would you agree to it? We might get a few penalties here and there, but I'm going to have to say no. No, Dave, that would definitely... No. No, I'm not having that.  You know, they can take away our points, but they can't take away our pride. No, they've already taken that. They've already taken that. And our dignity. They've taken that. And our genuine knowledge of right and wrong. Absolutely. And for that, you know, we will stick to our morals. Absolutely. No principles. Carla says, what food or drink do you not understand how people can like? Baz obviously clearly doesn't like orange clubs. No, because I'm not like Baz. And if people like the foods, everyone's got different taste buds and different opinions. I wouldn't just... You know, when Baz said that he would abolish pork pies, I took that personally. And that made me really angry. So I'm gonna not be like Baz. Don't be like Baz. Because that's Tory behaviour. I'm gonna let people... Don't think you can say that. I'm gonna... All I just said that, because this is my show now. I'm gonna let people... What about you, Dave?  I mean, yeah, you're the mayor of this town now, Ned. I was surprised by the venom that Baz fired towards orange clubs. I actually am quite partial to an orange club. In fact, if I had a selection of club biscuits in front of me, and I can only think of the minty ones and the orange ones, I can't think of any other plain, presumably, as another one. There was a one as well, wasn't there? Okay, yeah. Well, if I had a selection in front of me, I would probably go for the orange one first. How about that for a statement? So there's not many things I struggle with to be honest. There's things I don't like. I don't really see the point of celery on the point of, you know, I don't particularly like the taste. I don't like fresh coriander, but that's been discussed on this show before. Many, many times. Many times. Coriander always comes up. Yeah. What else don't I like? I'm not keen on mushrooms, but that's more of a texture thing. Yeah. See, what I don't get is, just on Baz's, he will eat other orange chocolate. He just won't eat orange chocolate. Well, that's weird, then, isn't it? Because I can understand that people who don't like the fruit and chocolate kind of combo and the certain people who, you know, wouldn't go near a Terry's chocolate orange, for example. Whereas I can happily eat the whole thing in one bite. See, I can't be, I don't understand, though people can still be eating food that you got with a ration book in the Second World War. I can't be. I can't be. I love can't be. I just don't understand. It's not for me. Now, in this day and age, with all the options, I just don't understand how people are still eating that food. It's nice to have different things, though, isn't it? That's disgusting.  Fair enough. Fair enough. Thed says, have any of you ever had an awkward Christmas receiving or giving experience whereby your reaction or the recipient's reaction was negative, angry or awkward, horrible position to be in, whether giving or receiving. PS, 57 continuous seconds is my P record. I'm not sure why. Oh, and I know why because, in fact, we never resolved this. And I'm glad that we brought this up, or this was brought up by Fed. And obviously, Fed hasn't said, whether this is a question to, to, to Ped or Ned, has he? No, Fed's just keeping the Peds and Ned together. But what he's referring to is the fact that we were talking about somebody timing their P the other week. We said that we were going to, to each... In fact, we did all put a time down. Dave said 27 seconds. There you go. And we never actually resolved who the winner was. But I feel like we can't really do that now because it has to be a bad thing when it comes back. We'll save that. Yeah, can we save that, Ned? What about the first one then? What about giving or taking as it, as it was of Christmas presents any bad reactions? Oh, yeah. But my ex was a nightmare for that. Really? She would, she would, she'd write me a list. I'd get everything on list and she'd be, and then she'd kick off bad. Okay. Like bad. My, I had a, I had an unfortunate secret Santa incident a few years ago when I was working for another production company. And we obviously, you know how secret Santa works. You know that you have to buy a present for somebody in there and they know not who it's from. And I happened to get the boss as my one, which is always a risk. So I decided to buy him a book. You know those books where they're like so and so for dummies, you know, like Aldring for dummies or, you know, whatever martial arts for dummies with the sort of the yellow print. Well, this was kind of like, this was like management for dummies. Oh God. So I thought it would be funny to get in this book. But the problem was is that the way that the table arrangement were as, and this was just unlucky on the night of the night of the Christmas dinner is that there was him, then there was me and then there was another mate of mine. Right. And so the guy who got the management for dummies was a bit, was miffed kind of going, who do you think's got me that? And I think he was really worried that it was some kind of sort of personal attack or a sort of slight on his skills. And I'm sitting there thinking, well, it's just a bit of a laugh. And anyway, he, he, he, once he knew it was from me, he felt better about the situation. But for a good hour and a half, I'd say he wasn't very happy with it at all. And he thought it was maybe the sign of some kind of like uprising or perhaps even a revolution from among the ranks. The French were coming. Yeah. It's almost as if there was some kind of, you know, attempted coup going on down the bottom of the table. This is from all of us. The French there. Mine would be, I think my sister bought me a scouting for girls album once. It was lashed back at her. That's awful. That was literally just lashed. And then, and then a few years later, I think she brought me, she bought me the Bradley Walsh had an album out. And it was actually number one. And she actually. Classics. She bought me it. And again, I, it, I, my reaction was a little bit more restrained, but I think it was one of them where I, it just conveniently stayed in my mum and dads. It was one of them. Oh, I forgot. I'll get that next time. But I think she was taking the piss on that one because she knew how much I ate at the scouting for girls one. I literally threw it back at her. I just went, don't ever, ever, ever, ever buy me scouting for girls. I got you a Cobra Kai top. You did? And you went from Tesco. Yeah, I did say that. Yeah. But that's fair enough. Right. I'll do one more because I know Dave's a very busy man. He only have lots, he'll have lots to do. Right. Exactly. So this is going to be the last one. This is from not so paper like he said, would you rather find out that the universe was created a couple of days ago and all your memories and knowledge are fake, or find out you're in a coma right now. And this message is from your doctor using advanced technology to try and wake you up. Oh, because I sometimes think that I was like, what if this isn't real? Yeah. But you're in the matrix. Both are bad, aren't they? What about you, Dave? I've never really thought about being in a coma before. No, I haven't. Honestly, I mean, maybe people have done, but I've never really thought about being in a coma. So if you hear that drilling, by the way, that's the roof. No, I can't hear it. I can't hear. Yeah, it's weird. I don't think there's any issue saying it. My sister was in a coma for a very long time. Yeah. And I don't think she has any, I don't think she has any, she doesn't remember anything. I don't think, because people often, I think people, we often think it's like a sleep or whatever, but I don't think she's got any, any knowledge of what went on while she was in that coma at all. So it's not like you're plodding around, like you're in the matrix or something and you're living another life. She swears she hasn't got any idea what happened while she was in there. I choose the first one because I've had a few embarrassing moments. Someone shouted, see, let's see, Matty. And I turned around in the car park and said, see, it's the wrong person. I didn't know they were that way. I just went, what? It's just lovely. Is that way? Is that seriously where all of your existence being fake?  And I went, well, I'm here now. I'm going to go coma because I'm thinking if I wake up, we haven't had the 10 point deduction. It's all a figment. Do you know what I mean? But for a good week or so, I genuinely would sort of wake up thinking that maybe I dreamt it. Yeah. But, you know, I do that a lot working with Ned. Yeah, just maybe today was just a dream. Maybe working with me is a dream. This is what I was going to say. There's a literal element to this, Ned. It is a dream. And now that you are the mayor of this town. Mayor of that. Yeah. I think it's even more dreamy and it's our privilege. And as is the one that's missing out by not being able to be one of your subjects. I just can't believe he revealed I've known this young man for what? The best part of four years. This is the first time I've ever heard that he went to Lippa. No, I didn't know that either. I mean, it's, you know, I think in a way it makes us love you even more, Ned. And having been to Lippa and on this podcast now three times, I'm now more famous than anyone in the jungle. My only issue with you being in Lippa is now I'm starting to think that it is all just a big act. No, I'm a good actor. And this is part of a project that after... I see, you know, yeah, reality is morphing. Yeah. This is my chosen personality.  I don't know if you can do a doctorate in acting, but this is all part of your PhD. It's not, but like this... See, like, I could be a different person when, like, before I switched on angry. This electric better be on by one o'clock, lad. I'm one of them. The acting... Got the leaky back on. Got the leaky back on. Fair play. Yeah, fair play. Right, I think on that, on that, we're going to have to end it right there, because that's a perfect place to leave it. Ned is, we've just discovered, Lawrence Olivier contention for next year, I think, I think so. Thanks everybody. The crowd says it all. We hope them for two victories over the next two games, and we'll be back next week. Thank you all for watching. Thank you to Dave, as ever, for joining us. See yous all later.