I'm ready. I guess we're live. Are we? Hey! If we are live, y'all tell us we're live. So be it. Hello. Hello. W's got his one. Hello visionaries. That's fun. That's a fun little moniker. I like it. We are live. Are the visionaries? Well, yeah. We're all visionaries, really. In our own minds. It's a team. Team visionaries. So as we're getting ready to roll here, Eileen, I will tell you, I had success with a local Chinese restaurant in my new neighborhood over the weekend called Little China. Now, the name Little China, I'm like, is it going to be good? Maybe they're phoning in a little bit. Whatever. Yeah, but looking, they don't do delivery, but they do pick up, but it's really close to me. It's walkable, or if you really wanted to, I don't know, get the just not care, you could drive like two minutes round trip. But I was looking at the menu, and I thought of you, well, definitely in Korean, you know, because I can tell the difference. You know, I'm like, this might be weird. This might be a weird call, but let's see what we got. There are a lot of sushi restaurants where the people working there aren't Japanese, but still very good. And oh my gosh, it was so good. It was like delicious, fresh, I don't know, it just, I don't know. It doesn't agree with me all that well. You know, kind of like just sort of a gut bomb. Too much oil or too much stuff. Yeah, exactly. Too much oil, too much like weird sauce, you know, orange stuff. And you know, it was great. It was really good. Oh my God. Yeah. What did you order though? I'm curious, what was your menu? Well, there was like a sesh one shrimp, did a fried rice with shrimp, also, did a pork chow mein, now everybody did some some some spring rolls and I think that's it. Okay. No, that's that's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. Plus they give us like white rice that we didn't even want. We were like, all right, no, no, save it, save it. I'll use it for the eggs in the morning. It was really good. I'm still in the phase of like new neighborhood, new spots, you know, so every time something goes well, I'm just like, yes, okay, all right. We will keep the menu in the junk drawer.  Places is like a pop up on the corner. Yeah, I don't I don't know what they're doing, but but good. Yeah, we've we're we're we're we're in we're in a we're in good culinary business here in in my neck of the woods. Yeah, okay, great restaurants.  Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Koreatown for, you know, obviously, Eileen is fond of it. And I live, you know, on the edge of it, I guess I'm adjacent. But you know, it's it's it's right there. But yeah, like it's not just Korean food in Koreatown. I mean, it's a whole little town in and of itself.  Yeah, you got everything there. Love it. Well, you know what else I love is doing a show. Philip, Philip in our chat, thank you, Philip says Eileen's level sounds a little lower than mine. Let me tweak my level. Oh, I also tend to be loud. So one second. I appreciate that. I've actually been adjusting a little bit. I need you to if you have game that you can bump up a little bit Eileen on your end is in stream yard. I've done all I can in stream yard. Oh, yeah. Let's see. Hmm. Yeah, you're max out in stream yard. So if there's game that you can bump on your end. Oh, you mean on my actual device? Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, hold on, please. Anything there? Can you hear that? It's a little bit better. It didn't sound really different to me. Well, I bumped down the stream yard. There we go. Sorry. They're better. That does sound. Yeah. Much better. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for good looking out. Appreciate it. Hmm. Okay. Hey, Mrs. just soft spoken. He is soft spoken, but we're happy to have him. Yes, we are. We sure are. Well, um, I'm ready whenever y'all are. Let's do this. Yeah. Let's let's do this noise. All right. Well, thanks all the live folks for being with us. We're still, we're still kind of getting, you know, as far as how Mondays go, but I think I think it's going well. Yeah. If anybody has, has thoughts, do send us a note. That would be great feedback at AppleVisionShow.com. But, um, in the meantime, I say let's go on with episode six. You want to give me a count in, Sarah? Sure. In three, two. Welcome to AppleVisionShow episode six. I am Sarah Lane and with me is Eileen Rivera. Hello. Hello. I just did a little wave to our song. I was like, do we ever switch up the theme song, Sarah? I don't know. I mean, just, uh, I don't know, like springtime AppleVisionShow. Springtime theme song sounds chaotic. Sarah. Sarah's like, can we please keep constant? Yes. I need, need things to stay constant. Um, no, I, I don't know. I mean, we, we sort of, we sort of started the show and we were like, do you like the song? Yeah, sure. Let's do it. And we didn't really talk about it at great length. It's pleasant, right? Anyway. I think it's pleasant. Yeah. You know what else is pleasant is, uh, Billy Eilish's um, what am I, what was I made for her? Oh my gosh, Eileen. I, I've got Oscars on the Brain because as we were recording this Oscars were last night and I just loved that song and they won. I was so happy. Yeah. I was definitely happy that she won and, you know, she obviously looked very, very surprised. I don't know else would have won because it's just a great song. I'm Ken, maybe I'm Ken. I mean, and, and hey, you know, shout out to Gosling. I mean, that guy did a performance for the ages and I know it's like, it's it's like a funny, like it's like a song that's making fun of itself. Yeah. But it's also pretty good, you know, if you're not, if you're, if you're like what are they talking about? Both of these songs are from the movie Barbie. Yeah. Which didn't win any awards except no, that's the original song.  But I, I'm an Oscar person, Eileen. Yeah.  Okay. You know, hours before the show. You know, it just, it's just it's my Super Bowl. It really is. Yes. I, you know, I get it. I was not as into it this year. I just didn't watch many movies and I normally, I love award shows and, you know, when the Grammys were on earlier this year, I was all about it. But for whatever reason, I didn't get to most of the movies this year. It just didn't happen. And so I wasn't so into it. But, you know, I was in and out and watching it. I actually did some of our show notes during Oscars. I mean, that's, that's fine.  I mean, I was like really trying to read about some of the topics that we're going to talk about today. And, and but I was waiting. First of all, I was like so glad I even put it on my stories. I was like, oh, but at least Billie Eilish is here. And I loved her song. And then I told Tom, I said, you need to tell me if I'm out of the room when Ryan Gosling sings, you grab me wherever I am. I don't care if I'm on the toilet. I need to see I'm Ken live. And boy, bring me out. Yes, you do. I saw, I would say 90% of the show. I just, you know, I was just kind of in and out. But I mean, that's fair. It's the talk of the town. We live in Los Angeles. So it's the talk of the town. And, you know, it is, I think some of it was a little long, but then they ended. They were under time by like a few minutes. I think so. By the end of it all. Well, what's funny is that, okay, so in the interest of, you know, our show, I was like, would this be something because I watch on YouTube TV that I don't have cable, but I have YouTube TV. So, you know, essentially cable. You know, I can I can get network television and I was like, would I watch this on the Vision Pro? And so I was like, you know what, let's just start that way. Let's start and just my gosh. And just and just, yeah, like see if that like is fun or whatever. Okay. But I had a friend over and that made me feel like I was being weird. You're isolating your friends. Yeah, even though I was like, I'm not like in the dark here. I'm like right next to you. Like it did feel strange that we weren't both doing that in the same way. So I ditched. I ditched that idea. But I, you know, my intentions were good. Were you projecting what you were seeing on the Apple Vision Pro? Oh, you couldn't. No, no, I was I was I was just watching the stream. But then, you know, I have a TV in the living room that you know, which is also, I mean, that's also maybe we can circle back to this. You know, later in the show, but that is that that's one of the conundrums is that I recently got a new TV.  But it's like it's it's nice. Yeah, you know, it looks good. You know, couch is comfy. It's it's, you know, it does what it's supposed to do. So the whole Vision Pro thing is it's an option. But I find myself to be like, am I trying too hard to watch stuff on the Vision Pro? Just because I have it and I want to use it. Yeah, you know, if I didn't have a nice TV, then of course, that would be totally the wave. But yeah, I'm still I'm still trying to figure out like when, you know, when is it when is it right? When is it better?   But tell me, did the celebrities look even more amazing on your Vision Pro versus on the TV? Like, do you feel like you could see their pores more clearly on the Vision Pro? I don't know, man. My new TV is a, yeah, I mean, again, not the nicest OLED in the in the room, but pretty nice. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like to have a big old TV on, on a wall, I'm fine with it. Yeah. But again, if you don't have that or for whatever reason you can't or you're, you know, in transit, whatever. I still think the Vision Pro is for media consumption, really great. But yes, it didn't make sense for me last night. And again, that was because I had company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I was alone, I think I probably would have just, just rocked it. Yeah. And just watched the whole time. Yeah. Why not? Because I'm alone anyway, like who cares? I don't have to make a high contact with anybody else. But otherwise, you know, I was sort of like, I felt, I felt slightly rude.  And it feels like I've like checked out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, tell me now, are you, or maybe you already have, then are you going to watch the best picture Oppenheimer on your Vision Pro now? Are you going to rock it? I don't think Nolan wants you to do that though. Now that I'm thinking about it out loud I'm like, he's probably like, you go to the theater to watch Oppenheimer Yeah. It's supposed to be Dolby Atmos in a theater with popcorn. Mr. I don't even have a phone. I don't have email. I don't know how you find this man. But anyway, through his wife, through his assistant, poor assistant. Yeah. Did you dare now watch? Do you defy the director of the film and watch it on your Vision Pro? Oppenheimer I thought was a very good movie. So don't get me wrong here. But I don't want to eat no spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen it or whatever. But I don't know that I would rewatch it. I felt like it was like, okay, good movie, historical got it. Well acted. But not a movie. There are movies that you just go like, let's put that on again. Yeah, like Heaven on the background. That's what I do with all the novels. I don't know what to look up like. I mean, any time Groundhog Day is on TBS, I watch it with commercials. I love that movie. It cares. Yeah. You don't have to take it too seriously. You've already seen it. I'm not sure I would watch Oppenheimer again willingly. I don't know. Give me a year. Maybe I'll feel differently. So this is probably the time I tell you I haven't seen it yet. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. No, I want to see it. I do want to see it. I think you'll like it.  That's how I felt. Call it fun. That's how I felt about the Joker. I can never see that movie again. I don't leave the theaters usually, but as soon as the credits hit, I walked out. I was like, I can't. I don't want to see that movie again, but I thought it was a really good movie. It's really good. All that stuff. I was like, too much for me. Bye. I'm out. I need to breathe. I mean, it's uncomfortable on purpose. Exactly, yeah. Yes. I was like, Sarah, do you want to watch Joker with me tonight? I'd be like, I really don't. Let's go get a fiance. Love is blind. Let's go. Yeah. Let's just keep it surface. Absolutely. Well, speaking of not really surface tablets, but kind of in that general direction, we've got yet more Apple rumors because that's how the world works. But this time, the idea that there might be foldable MacBooks coming. Now, not tomorrow. This is a long tail rumor. But the idea that some foldables, be it iPhones or laptops, maybe something that Apple's working on, I would say there's a 100% chance that the company is thinking about these sorts of things because lots of other companies are, right Eileen? Yeah. Like ASUS, like HP, like I believe Lenovo, and in fact, we were talking about, what are we going to talk about this week? And you were like, you know, we should probably talk about these foldable laptops. So then I just went in and I was like, foldable. In my head, it's like, well, a laptop folds. And then Right. Yeah. It's a clamshell by design. It's a clamshell. Like, it just folds. But then when I started looking into the other companies that are already in market or are displaying their versions of these laptops that are foldable, then I'm like, okay, I kind of understand it and I was kind of into it, to be honest with you. I don't know that I would buy one of these, but to get like an all-in-one laptop slash iPad slash, you know, extended screen, it's kind of interesting. It's interesting to see and think about the use cases in the future for laptop consumption, you know, if anything. It's more about like, why would I need an extended screen that goes an extra inch versus using it as a regular laptop, but I could see taking out the screen and having a bigger like lap or iPad or alone screen experience. Because the one that I really looked into was the HP, which by the way, $5,000, excuse me, that is more than the Vision Pro. I would not be buying it, but it came with everything. Yeah, it came with the dongle, it came with the pen, it came with it came with everything and I was like, well, this is kind of interesting. You can have it all in one, you know, now at the end of the day the reviewer said that, you know, it doesn't, it's not like a super you wouldn't like, I don't think I could be editing hardcore on that computer. I'm like, well, then that doesn't I can't, if it's just for some, you know, work situation, like that's not good enough for me. Like I need something that's going to be a little bit more powerful, but the concept itself of having more capabilities than what one device could offer, I think it's pretty cool. And I think there's, they're onto something now, whether or not this is the thing, the HP Spectre fold, I don't know, and maybe again when Apple enters the chat, they'll have something a bright idea of how to do it in a way that will benefit consumers. But I think there's something there. What do you think? I agree with you. I'm very much like when Apple enters the chat like, how will it be different than what we've seen foldable devices be capable of so far.  Maybe you have a screen on the other side of the screen. I mean, that's, you know, we saw some of that in sort of the CES earlier this year. But, you know, but like the use case scenario of that is like, how often would that be something that you would actually want to do? I think we are still in very much a like, foldables cool if they work. But, foldables cool for everyday use, that is to be determined. And maybe that's because we just don't have them yet.  And then I got it and I was like, okay, I get it. You can live without it. You can live without it. I mean, I didn't have an iPhone for like a year after the iPhone was originally released in 2007. Yeah. Would you rock a Nokia or something?  You know, I was real good at texting on it and I was just like, oh, I don't, I don't want an iPhone. I don't want that. And then when I finally got one, because I did eventually, I was like, okay, all right. This is how the other half lives. Right. But that's kind of how I feel about foldables at this time. It's like, we're all trying to, like, it's cool. It's cool to look at and be like, oh, it could do this, but it could also be this. But I don't know how different the experience as an end user is from let's say using an iPad and having a, you know, a Bluetooth enabled keyboard, you know, maybe you have a mouse if you're a mouse person. Like that already exists where you can kind of build the situation that you want. So for me, I also just am not in the market for a new laptop. But the idea of a laptop being like a shape shifter, I'm like, it's cool, but I don't need it. Yeah, I guess if it was in front of me, like for instance, after like I'm looking at my laptop right now and I'm thinking, you know, after we're done with the show and I'm done editing the show, I could instead of just have my stand alone iPad, oops, I'm trying to like do this visually even though everybody mostly is listening audio instead of like, okay, let me go find my actual iPad and go to the couch. I could just take detach the top of my laptop, which is now my, you know, it's like, oh, it's the same device that I was using and I could take that with me instead of a whole new device. That could be good if you're trying to continue something, but you're continuing work and you know that you're going to continue it in a more iPad way versus working with your laptop.  So maybe there's something there where you're not really like you don't have to even launch a new browser. It's what you were working on you just take it and now you're using your laptop with just half of it and you can walk away and it's there without having to just have a new device. Oh, where was I and let me launch it here.  Yeah, I think we're all and again, this probably goes back to just sort of like this is what I'm used to. So this is what I know, but when I'm on the go having different form factors like I mean right now I I would not be able to put my monitor in a bag like no way like this is comfortable for my office. It is not something that that is mobile in any way but the idea that you can have something that's like a pretty small form factor if you want it to be but also opens up if you want it to is cool.   Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean I think we just have to kind of, there might be a world where that happens or not and you want, you know it's like the people like who don't like to mix their food and need it separate on their plate do you do you want it all in one kind of thing or like the people that like the all in one champions that's kind of a good analogy. Yeah, it's like yeah, are you a mixer or do you like things separate? Yeah. Both there is no wrong answer here no wrong you just you know, I think I think that's the thing about foldables that I feel like the promises is whatever you want, you have options you know, not everybody likes to rock the same, you know, scenario and we're all different and having more options in one device is cool maybe you only use, you know one of them, who knows but to have that is, you know, maybe it's not $5,000 that's a little nuts, but again we're in early days, the price will come down what if, you know I'm thinking you don't want to have multiple devices because like say you're in a big family and you might lose one so you have the one laptop that you could detach and then later give it to your kid to play, you know, games like an iPad and that way it's all one all in one and then you, you know, what's nice is that it all packs up into one device instead of, oh, I left the laptop or I left, no, most likely I forgot the iPad it's in the this, the da da da da, and then you you know, because you have multiple devices I'm just thinking like it could be helpful, you know if some people are forgetful and or if there's just a lot of stuff that they're carrying I mean, hopefully the most expensive stuff is you don't leave in your hotel or whatever but I'm just thinking about other use cases that it could could be helpful for, you know, because it would take some time to get used to understanding how it could be helpful but maybe there is a world where it could be even more efficient for you and either your work life or your family life but yeah, I mean, I don't know I'm kind of into, I'm kind of, I'm not ready to purchase anything like this and I'd wait to see because I'm a separatist I do my iPad I do my laptop everything is separatist I am right now they all talk to each other, they all talk you know, my watch, my phone, the laptop I don't know when somebody calls me everything's ringing, I'm like I turned everything on my watch, my phone, my laptop and my iPad everything's ringing when someone calls me oh no, decline, decline well, well you know, on the subject of laptops and Eileen you have a MacBook Air as well, right? no, I have the pro you have the pro, okay, but the M1 yes so I've got a MacBook Air with the M1 chip so brilliant our parent company bought it for me, so technically it's not really mine but it is my, you know, it's my everyday just, you know, ride or die laptop that I use at all times when I'm not sitting in my office at my workstation love that laptop we talked about it last week I mean, it has truly been the best the best Mac I've ever had and I've had a lot of MacBook Pros over the years I had a MacBook Air back in the day but it was a different scenario my MacBook Air, I mean let's call it like circa 2011 you know, it couldn't really deal with like Final Cut Pro you know, it was more of like a, you know, everyday laptop but not a pro laptop, well the Air's are different now and what we got on last week was new MacBook Airs that have the M3 chip I believe they officially launched on Friday we started chipping on Friday of last week 15 and 13 inch I like the 13 15 is the model that a lot of other folks like as well starting at 256 gigs of storage for $1,000 and of course goes up from there but I'm not in the market for a new MacBook of any kind MacBook, Mac, Air, Pro, whatever whatever you want to call it so I'm not going to be enjoying these but there have been times where I really needed one and if you are in that scenario it seems like pretty good and the price point for where you're getting it's pretty solid 100% and I think that I was watching people gaming on it, our good friend Lamar Wilson was testing it on different call of duty and everything looks real nice to me I think these are fair little upgrades but I think it's why not same as you Sarah I actually have the 14 inch I'm right in the middle nobody made a 14 I have the 14 inch so it's like yeah I like the 13 15 is too big but I landed with the 14 I really like the size my external monitors and everything but for laptop consumption it's kind of the perfect size I really love the 14 you know I remember when they when Apple announced the 14 and I was like 14 you got 13, you got 15, you got 17 what the heck 14 nonsense I still haven't used it in any capacity the 13 feels even though back in the day again when I was doing more video editing I had the 17 inch MacBook Pro it was the first I think the first time that Apple launched that model it was huge, I still have it you know like just like a backup backup backup computer but I mean you look at it now and you're like it's like 30 pounds okay it's not that heavy it's really big just unwieldy and you open it up and you're like yeah I get what they were going for I mean kind of tying back into our conversation about foldables and how you can enjoy a larger monitor sometimes I felt like it was just it was ridiculous even going to like an internet cafe which I want to do sometimes like let's change it up and you know take the portable computer you know and go be out in the world and people would like look at me and be like what is that monstrosity this woman is using so now I'm like 13 inch we're good but again I mean 14 inch not that different but it is actually but you like it I do it kind of is not it's really right in the middle I dab in the middle and maybe because I do some video editing that's probably why I mostly do video editing and I hook up my external monitor but if I'm not doing that the 14 is a good size I like to see things so I don't even know that I made a conscious decision I'm going to pick the 14 I think at the time I was like oh yeah and now that I'm thinking about the difference because I've had a 13 and I've had a 15 I'm like actually just you know just put me in the middle I'm good the 15 has always felt just slightly big to me and heavy and when you carry it with your purse right like it's not crazy big but like I can do 13 that's sort of my form factor 14 maybe a little bit nicer I also work from home so the idea of taking my laptop out and about is not something I'm doing on a daily basis I used to that was sort of a big part of the experience for me so your mileage may vary and if you're listening to the show you probably have some some thoughts on what is the form factor that best works for you we would like to hear your thoughts feedback at applevisionshow.com hey so lord leon77 says I missed the 17 inch I had to do you do you well you can have mine if you have room in your closet for something so big no it's listen it was a great computer at the time I was like oh yeah this is what you need for video editing you need a big screen but I didn't have like an external monitor my whole setup was very different at the time so it was like that was my computer it was all or nothing and it made sense for that but for just like casually browsing pictures of vanity fairs Oscar party not so much we could all see women is not working she's looking at vanity fair photos whoops whoopsies well but something that we can all if we are apple apple owners of apple hardware and software we can enjoy iOS 17.4 Eileen kind of a big update there's a lot of stuff in here what's it out to you well for us the podcast transcriptions on the podcast app was huge and I loved it I don't know it was pretty accurate I don't know if you've taken a look at it yet also you can do search within the transcription so if there's a keyword like if you wanted to know did we talk about foldables you could go type in foldables and then boom it'll just take you right to that section of the show if we were talking about it that one was my favorite of everything I mean I know that there's security upgrades there are you know things like battery life monitoring that is different than it was before but how about those emojis Sarah you know Eileen I can't tell you how many nights I just went to bed praying for a lime slice and now I have one that's the one I keep going back to you know I watched a ton of that's the beauty of emojis I'm like in what universe would I ever send Eileen a lime slice and like she would know what I meant and let's remember truly talking about slicing limes I don't know but that's the fun of it that's the fun of it there are all also were some cool accessibility emoji that they added person in a wheelchair for example you know so that's I mean hey the more options you have to be able to emojify your texting experience with your loved one the better there's a good dragon there's a different mushroom that doesn't look like the Mario mushroom right you know I have to say I watched about three or four online reviews or online walkthroughs of iOS 17.4 and almost all of them besides the new hello screen started with the emojis okay we're gonna get emojis right out of the way first above and beyond anything else I mean it's I know there are people who are just like I don't get it I don't get it and you know what I don't blame you yeah I used to be you I used to be like yeah the whole like you know if Eileen says I will be there at 10 a.m. and I respond like a lime slice like I'm like who would do that now I'm like she would get it it's funny you know it's all a lot of inside joke stuff 100% you definitely can express yourself in a variety of ways and it doesn't have to be just like silly I mean it is sort of silly but it can also it really is a way to express yourself and that's fun what I did manage to do Eileen I like I butt dialed myself or what but the other morning you know I when I go to bed I've got my charger you know on the nightstand I charge my phone you know just so it's ready to go when I get up in the morning in the morning you know I looked at it to see what time it was and I was like what what what what happened it's like I so I I always have a photo of Otis my dog as my lock screen you know and you know I sometimes change them up but it's always a photo of him and this was a photo that I took of the beach which is it's a nice photo but it was like the beach and you know my ring status from my Apple watch you know because the my Apple watch is talking to my phone you know a current weather time a variety of other applications that were from my watch but arranged in a weird way and I'm like how did this I did not do this like I mean I must I don't know like I was like is this it like a weird like iOS 17.4 thing I don't think so you know you're supposed to be able to choose your own lock screen now I like the lock screen now I'm like into it but at first I was like how did I do this I didn't do this on my phone was it the new watch update and I don't think so but even if it was that wouldn't dictate what my lock screen on my phone was I'm not sure I have to like figure out what happened you have a ghost in your apartment you know when I say but dial I mean obviously like you couldn't really do that you know but it's my way of just being like I don't know what I did you have a ghost in your apartment yeah the ghost in my apartment definitely was like you need more complications on your iPhone lock screen Sarah I think it wanted to mess with you like I like technology so I'm going to mess with her phone and her watch and everything and see her what's kind of cool about it is that you know for I know not everybody out there has an iPhone and an Apple watch but if you have both they talk to each other real nicely and my my my watch has all sorts of stuff like you know right now it's like I've got my calendar I've got my weather I've got my time I've got you know the rings that I have very much not closed for the day you know battery life and then I gave it a quick switch to go to Apple fitness plus so that when you know when I'm doing fitness it's an easy way to get in there rather than going through the apps that's great but I never thought to do that on my phone but now my phone has somehow I don't know taken a bunch of Apple watch information and shown it to me on the lock screen I'm like yay thank you I didn't know I wanted this you know it probably this is this is I'm just going to do conspiracy this is the AI of it all learning your habits and knowing what you want and there you know that's why these people are not working on the car and on the AI and they're slowly pushing out these things and you know I think Sarah would really like this boom they know already they know what you want maybe so maybe so the same reason that you know I looked up curtains on the internet the other day just because I don't have curtains in my bedroom because I you know moved in recently and I mean my entire life now is ads served to me for curtains yeah I try honestly to look up things incognito that are one if they're one offs and if I'm actually thinking oh I don't want this in my search history doesn't always happen but man when I forget and I just wanted to look into something like oh no I'm gonna be you know especially like say I'm looking up stuff for my niece like oh gosh baby baby shark serving up to me every day now very small t-shirts all sorts of things you know that would be great for a small child if you like baby shark well here comes my little pony like oh no I didn't I just okay well I wanted to know one thing and boom so anyway I speaking of the watch Sarah I have decided no to the ring and yes to the watch I this today I did the upgrade to the next watch OS I forget what number it is at this point 10 something and I like I like what I see I like what I see so far my watch is my old series for is cooperating well with the new update and I got the nice little hello screw I just maybe it was just friendly like as soon as the update was done it just said hello welcome to your watch you want me you don't want to ring that's very apple yeah watch us 10 is what we're on watch us 10 yeah I love the hello the little curse of hello it's very it's soothing I will say though we talked about the you know iOS 17.4 on Friday and I was like oh I better upgrade my phone so I know everything I completely spaced and when I saw the hello on my phone after doing the upgrade I thought I accidentally like erased reset my phone and I so I didn't get the nice like look at your like breathe and look at the hello screen the new hello screen and the emotion I panicked I panicked I was like oh my god I did something wrong I didn't obviously but yeah I I don't know if anybody else panicked they upgraded their phone but that was going through my mind like what did I just do and you know I'm thinking like I have all these things in my apps that I didn't want to array and then I'm like oh no this is this isn't there being apples like hello welcome to your you know well and I you know you don't get that with every you don't iOS update I think this was significant enough that the company was like let's make it kind of dramatic you know and I had it unfortunate you know situation with you where you're like oh no what have I done did I hit factory reset on accident what did I do but no I so far there's like subtle design changes you know subtle colors subtle icons like a lot of it was pretty subtle yeah I mean for all the kind of like ooh this is a crazy update it's like yeah I mean for certain things the podcast stuff is significant yeah um the emoji stuff I mean significant enough you know little design things some people care about very much you know I don't as much right I'm kind of like you know you design however you're going to design I'll just use it you know and if I don't like it I'll forget about it in a week anyway but uh but yeah no it's a fairly fairly large fairly large update yeah I haven't tried the Siri Shazam I was going to do that before the show and I didn't get to because then you can from you know if you ask Siri what is it you know I don't want to do it right now so for anybody who's like who's like Shazam I mean you probably know what it is but it's a way to identify music if you're at a restaurant or you know you're like oh I love the song who sings this you know Shazam has been around for a long time but to have that on device now with Siri pretty cool in fact I went to I went to a watering hole the other night Eileen and you know I say that because I very rarely go to bars anymore but um but a friend of mine and I were like you know what let's get out of that you know let's go you know be with the kids you know and listen to some rock music so I went to a bar it was like not that big a deal but they were doing like a whole sort of like joy division like late 70s early 80s kind of punk it was great but you know I was like oh I think this is new order and he was like I don't think so and I'm like well we'll never know and he's like haha let's ask Siri and yeah it actually worked really well in that capacity and then from there when it pops up you can immediately add it to your apple music to a particular playlist and all that stuff so you know that's kind of I mean again it sounds like really like that's it I'm like no but it's actually a nice it's the sort of thing that one step less yeah if you don't have it you don't care but if you have it you're like this is very handy to have in your back pocket yeah I mean how often are you like even grocery shopping you're like what is that song like oh hey you know who I'm not gonna say it right now but tell me yeah no I mean for me like all the time even when I'm you know in my car listening to KCRW which is a local radio station where they have a lot of like you know like cool music and it's like I don't know who any of these people are because I'm just not up on my music like that I'm like you know Grace note isn't working on my Volvo for whatever reason like someone tell me what this is I want to know it's helpful it is helpful I think listen music is something that is we'll do a full music episode I feel like it's at some point it's just it's part of your lives and you I feel like most people need it to either feel good or feel sad or feel you know angry whatever you need it for you need it and you need to identify the songs right I can't believe like back in the day Sarah remember you'd walk in somewhere and like what is that song and then you just didn't know you walked out I don't know what that song I don't have a way I mean when Shazam first was an app I don't know when it came to all platforms you know Android etc but it was iOS first and I mean I mean I was drunk with power you know just being like oh you want to know what song this is let me hold my phone up to the speaker and I'll know in 5, 4, 3, 2, oh it's Gotie you know that was so like it's still I still feel like it's like it's a superpower I mean yeah like it's just kids if you're super young you didn't know that we did not have that and Eileen and I didn't have those sorts of controls back in the day we just wondered what we were listening to we were like humming it I remember actually going into a record store trying to hum some old R&B song and the guy was looking at me like ah girlfriend I don't know eventually I found out but like I actually went to the store and I had to hum and he looked at me like I was crazy like that is not a song or you had to have the friend who was just like such a music nerd that they would know but like they didn't always pick up so you know you'd be like I don't know I'll just have to ask Alan at some point I don't know we'll just never know what song it was but in a way we had less worries yeah I mean as much as I love technology it was a simpler time I love technology I love how it's connected us to everyone around the world globally and we can know about more things and be more cultured but there was a time when we didn't really give a crap and it felt a little lighter didn't it but I'm still glad that I have my iPhone let me just tell you that right now well me too even though I probably use my iPhone the least of anybody I know and that's just because I work from home and so I have my Mac products also at home that's your hard use you know and I've talked about it before and I mean it's this funny thing that some of my friends just don't get about me where they're like what are you doing on your laptop and I'm like what are you doing on your phone we're doing the same thing I just like you know I like the form factor and if I had my my MacBook Air handy there are some things that I refuse to use my phone it's just not like buying certain things I can't come up with an example right now but I can tell you that my husband Tom he'll I'll be like oh should we buy this ticket or should we do this he'll just do everything on his phone and I have a block I'm like no because my passwords are better connected with my laptop I go to my laptop and I will do things like go on Amazon and buy I mean I have since use the Amazon app and it does work well but there have been moments where I'm like but no I need to see on a bigger screen and browse not on my small phone and complete the transaction on the like to me there are some transactions that are still better served while doing it on your laptop you just have more real estate yeah I'm with you I mean trust me there have been times where it's like I don't know like maybe I'm at like a I'm renting a car or I'm somewhere where I'm like you know I'm not at home I've got my phone something's weird about my password I'm like give me five minutes I will fix this and I can you know I can and that's great but it's not my the thing that I that I yeah like it's not my go-to at home at all yeah I mean to the point I you know I said earlier I charge my phone you know next to the bed at night I mean sometimes I charge it well before I even go to bed because I'm just like I need to be charged and I just I don't need it because I've got my other stuff now not everybody has you know several different computers to choose from totally get that in fact many people rock the mobile and that's that's it which is cool it's cool that you can do pretty much anything you need to do on a mobile device and very rarely will you need anything else but when you do need something else or you at least have the option for that something else I just I I go for my air my 13 inch yeah I mean technically I could be recording my half of the show on my phone but I don't want to I mean you know maybe I should try now that I've said it out loud but and who knows maybe it'll be a better experience than what happened a couple weeks ago but I still I do love my laptop and the way I use it is I don't think I can replace it I don't think and also the typing on my iPhone do you know how many times it tries to auto correct me to something wrong that drives me crazy auto correct on the phone is one reason why I cannot be trusted without a laptop for transactions like putting in my password just like typing in the amount of how much I get so nervous if I'm on the PayPal app and I'm please tell me I'm actually putting $2 not $200 in there because you know just there's this easy way to like you move your thumb and then all of a sudden it's a different you know number or word so that's me I'm very poor at typing on the iPhone and it I want the iPhone to learn that there are certain words that I will use over and over again and stop trying to correct me it won't learn it I just won't learn it I mean to this day and I have no idea why every time that I want to type the word don't which comes up fairly regularly you know in a text conversation it auto corrects to capital D Donnie and I'm like I don't know a Donnie I mean Donnie Wahlberg I don't know him I don't talk about him like I don't know anybody named Donnie that's not like a word that I've typed enough times that like IOS would think oh maybe she means Donnie to this day I mean this has been going on for like a decade and I even like you know I even went in and was like you know I tried to like you know like trick it into thinking like anytime I say this we don't want to say Donnie and it just keeps going to Donnie and now I just think it's funny and sometimes I just send it we're like I Donnie want to go there now I know if I say Donnie people who know me well enough are like oh yeah it's Sarah's weird Donnie thing it's like a ghost in my machine I don't know you know it just you just reminded me every time I write Tom it wants to change it to Tom's brother's name Tim I would say 99% of the time and I catch it but I'm like come on I'm married to Tom Tim is his brother I don't probably say Tom more than Tim what is happening I don't understand that is why I don't trust the phone compared to the laptop going back to our original story but I do I you know it is obviously it's more portable I'm not going to bring my laptop everywhere blah blah blah blah there's many I love my iPhone I have had I feel like I've had almost all the iPhones it maybe save a couple of versions and now I'm actually enrolled in the like upgrade program so I'm you know you just get out of here even though I didn't have to I didn't really have to this year but I was like well I mean I'm part of the program that's why I'm in the program right I was going to get one so well I have the 15 thank you to Lamar Wilson friend of the show who you know he's just he's a product guru and was able to share this with me otherwise I had the 13 I was fine with it I you know I mean obviously budgetary concerns always but I I also was just sort of like yeah I know the camera is better but like the camera is already pretty good and I mean who am I you know Ansel Adams and so I just was like I just don't I just don't I don't need to part with the money for this but there are there are nice bells and whistles yeah on the 15 you know I'm I'm I'm very happy to have it even though I will say if someone was like well you have to use the 13 again I'd be fine yeah yeah it feels like every it's really the iOS that I care about more than the hardware at this point yeah yeah because it's it's so good yeah like the camera is good I mean I look back yeah I've upgraded but I look back at like I don't know videos I took at a concert last year or two years I'm like they're pretty good these are pretty good yeah like I know I have a better camera but these were actually really really good I just know I know how to use you know the controls so you know the contrast and everything to make sure that I can get the best quality and every iteration gets slightly better but it was great to begin with right yeah so I don't know it's gotta be such a significant for most people to make that leap you know if you're not in the program or whatever it's like okay well why do I need to upgrade my phone will still work I will get all the new OS upgrades I will get the new hello screen even though I don't have the 15 you know but I yeah I mean you know there is no rush I think to make these upgrades but you know and that's good that's good that you know that you have a quality device that you could just still go with but if you can't afford it why not you know like yeah there's so much I don't know I feel like we the collective we we have this conversation about like should you upgrade every year it's like no you don't have to I mean if you dropped your phone in the toilet which I have multiple times you know and it doesn't work anymore and rice doesn't help like yeah okay you might need a new device but but these are nice machine they're machines they're nice machines they're expensive they are not meant to be upgraded every year unless you're just flush with cash right and most people aren't you have to thoughtfully decide when when is time now there is there is a time work when it is time and that goes for you know lots of form factors you know my Mac mini that I'm using as we record this on the struggle bus it's okay you're waiting for the M3 yeah it's it's it's not getting better it's getting old it's tired it's tired you know you know that that's that's a thing where I'm like I do need to upgrade but like phone laptop you know a vision pro it's like yeah we're okay we're okay I think a case for not upgrading is the fact that the accessories also have to change like the one thing I'm in this Apple program so I get a new phone every year the problem is I have to change the freaking case because guess what they just made it just slightly different that the last phone case will not fit even though my phone case still works and now I have this extra phone case like I don't and because I still use case because I don't trust myself I have to upgrade I'm like dang it now it's another $50 you know on top of that like or you know well cabling you know accessories stuff like that that all changes sometimes in some of these upgrades even though the phone prior is still good enough if you want to upgrade then you have to like maybe change your whole cabling system and that's like uh no you know so yeah the accessories is where they get to it yeah um and then and then if you're like me you end up going to Amazon like well I get the cheapy ones and then they're cheap and then they don't work as well yeah I've um back before before the days where everything was going USB-C and I know a lot of you have lightning stuff and so do I but I'm finally USB-C with my iPhone so that is a nice thing about the 15 just because I'm like oh yeah I have a bunch of these laying around um whereas my lightning cables I'm like oh I have to do AirPods and yep you know like you know like they all have to share this max yeah um but but yes it uh it's we're going in the right direction um what uh what what might be going in the right direction um we got an email from Michelle who wrote us at ApplevisionShow.com sorry Eileen I do too many podcasts yes you do but you know what all good all good um but Michelle wrote in um and thank you by the way saying I'm a fan of the show thank you I've been exploring ways to enhance my viewing experience with Apple products I'm particularly interested in learning more about how Apple Vision integrates with Plex Media Server could you please share insights or experiences regarding Apple Vision in conjunction with Plex compatibility user experience tips or recommendations for optimizing the setup um good good news I think for you Michelle is it's pretty seamless I am a Plex user um I uh I don't run my own server but I connect to four currently um you know friends and family kind of stuff and uh it's a you know wonderful way to consume content I I sing Plex's praises to anybody who will listen and uh I love it uh this is uh it's not unlike just launching the app on an iPhone or your laptop I mean it's all kind of the same you know you you sign in on on your Vision Pro and you can you can consume media that way in fact um I think it was on one of our daily tech news shows from uh the week prior Tom asked me so what are you using it for most and I was like oh consuming media because you know again even though I talked about you know my nice TV that I love very much um in in my living room if you really just want to like sip lay back and watch 90 day fianceing it's it's a fun way to do that you can really just it's like putting in earplugs I don't know how to explain it it just feels so like immersive um and again Plex for anybody not familiar I mean it all has to do with the media that you put on your server you don't just like get media on Plex it's not like a Hulu or a YouTube or whatever um somebody has to you know kind of be curating that content but uh it it works just the way that it does as an app anywhere else Michelle so hopefully you can enjoy that too if if that's something that you're interested in doing I mean I feel like media consumption on the Vision Pro could be less distracting because you it sounds like at least maybe it is for you I'm trying to understand here like you're just going to watch instead of also texting also this that and the other which you can because you can have multiple windows yeah why right because the beautiful screen I don't feel compelled to do the multitask stuff yeah I'm sort of like you know I put it on my face you know I'm you know let's let's commit let's commit to the one thing which sometimes I have a hard time doing when I like even you know comfy on my couch I got a blanket I got my cheez-its you know I put on something on the TV and yet I'm like well let's just like still see what's going on on TMZ.com yeah on my laptop I do that all the time it drives Tom crazy where I'm like what happened he's like you know you were you not watching I'm like uh yeah so anyway I just yeah he'll tell me he'll kind of actually checked out for the last five minutes it was a boring scene and now something happened I had to look up and I'm like what just happened like oh it was so boring before that sorry um but maybe maybe because this use case I wonder if this use case is most popular which is just watching for entertainment and not being distracted maybe this is something to circle back around that Mr. Nolan could actually go oh you mean you're only going to focus on my film probably not but you know I know he wants you to sit in a freaking theater and do the whole thing but you know what I mean they're sort of apples to apples in a way now again you know the idea of augmented reality is that it's you know it's a layer where you are I mean you can multitask or not but you can if you want to you know the whole promise of like going to see a movie in the theater was you know at its core large screen better audio than you have at home and well and you know popcorn and just sort of you know just sort of being part of the you know that whole thing being part of the experience but that you I mean who's on their phone at a movie theater like if someone does that next to me I'm like oh god yeah you're so annoying like what you know why even be here you know right you come here to do the thing and that's the fun part about it that's that's the experience yeah and I feel like something like the vision pro is akin to that it is it feels like okay I'm going to commit I'm committing like I'm not just gonna you know yeah like second screen this you know this movie with subtitles where I'm not even reading and like 30 minutes in I'm like I have no idea what's happening that was me watching show gun the other night I mean and it's a good it's a good show but you know the second episode was a bit slow and I was kind of drifting and they're speaking Japanese for part of it and I was like wait what just happened you know yeah there I mean there's certain things where it's like I mean this is why I like reality television because I'm like you miss 10 minutes it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's background it's Sarah's cooking spaghetti in the other room and I you know I get like 30% of it it's fine no need to rewind yeah go to the bathroom if you want no need to pause yeah that's the best and you could just have it like like you've been watching it the whole time but you really haven't right right yeah so I don't know I'm gonna look up see if Nolan said anything about the Vision Pro and he probably doesn't like it but you know curious oh he's probably got thoughts someone like you Sarah is focusing on his films if you watch them indeed well Michelle thank you for the the question hopefully we answered it to your satisfaction if you do end up playing around with Plex in a Vision Pro any of you out there and you have thoughts that I didn't touch on do let us know we'd love to hear your feedback we also are on Instagram and YouTube and Tiktok Eileen is way better about that than I am so when you see posts from us just know that that's Eileen special but yeah I mean Eileen did you see anything on YouTube that we should that we should highlight before we bounce on out of here no I hadn't I didn't I didn't take a look at the beautiful comments that we get so sorry about that I will try and get Sarah to post Otis with the Vision Pro someday on our account I do that later today kind of forgot the idea we had I mean I know Otis has his own account and we should be following Otis's account on Instagram like a special like hey yeah I mean we all should be following him because he's a big deal my neighbor just because you brought this up my neighbor the other day who you know I've only lived in my house for just over two months well I guess we're going on three now but you know I'm getting to know my neighbors and one of my neighbors I see you know out and about he likes my dog and he was like remind me of your dog's name again and I said Otis and he goes oh that's a nice name like Otis Reading and I was like yeah that's his Instagram account and he was like what does that mean and I was like well he has an Instagram account Otis Reading Lane that you know for him and he was like oh I mean he didn't know what the Instagram was at first I thought you met the name well because when I said it he was just sort of like I don't get it I don't get the joke and I'm like no it's not a joke that's really his name I named him that and my dog has an Instagram account and like it was just one of those things where he was like oh you're one of those you know I'm like oh yes I am yes I am proud and loud um I think most of us are yeah indeed as we should be hey you know what else are we all here listen for all y'all who have stayed with us until the end of the show thank you so much for being with us we're gonna do it all again next week but this will wrap up episode 6 please do subscribe if you haven't already if you happen to be listening to this and you know somebody who might enjoy the show hello friends getting the word out helps us out a lot AppleVisionShow.com is a great way to to let folks know where to do that stuff or also find it wherever you get your podcasts and again feedback at AppleVisionShow.com if you have burning questions or feedback for anything that we talked about before we would love to hear from you we uh we do not do the show in a silo it takes a village yes please weigh in tell us your thoughts tell us what you think you can debate us all you want that's great we love it we love the conversation indeed alright Eileen episode 6 in the can we'll see all next week episode 6 great episode I enjoyed it that was really fun that was good it was fun it was good stuff I'm not gonna buy a foldable laptop but neither am I it's gotta be the same price as the air like it'll ever be the same price as the air oh yeah yeah I was just looking I actually have also I never returned it I have a MacBook Pro uh 13 inch like the before I bought the 14 inch oh yeah I thought I returned it but and I was thinking was it a little I don't know why while we were doing the show I was like was it 11 it can't be 11 it can't be 11 it's too small was there ever an 11 am I uh was there ever that small was there? yeah no I think there was an 11 I think so smallest mac somebody will tell me in the chat mac I never had one no I think there was there was an 11 11.6 inch there was yeah I think I had one and it was so small uh and then I was like also rocking a 15 for work right and then I was like oh you know but I didn't have an iPad but now that I have an iPad I don't really feel the need for something smaller that's why I don't know if I if I upgrade now I'm now I'm thinking like do when I eventually upgrade from my lovely in the middle 14 would I go to 15 versus going to a 13 since I have an iPad and I really like using my iPad I feel like that would be the wave otherwise you're just gonna feel like you have similar form factors for you know what reason which is exactly why the iPad mini which I know many people love I'm not bagging on the iPad mini but I'm like I go pro max on my iPhone and then I've got my laptop and it's like the mini just it's it's a form factor I just it doesn't work for me it feels like a Kindle I don't know it doesn't work yeah yeah no I agree hmm I will say that my wife does not go pro max on her phones but she loses her iPad mini during work to text people with a little little mini keyboard interesting okay yeah yeah I love hearing all the different ways people use it and what it works you know what works for people what doesn't work for some people just based on either their job or just what they like yeah she likes it she can just throw it in her backpack without having to find room for it yep yep yep throw it in there no I mean I I plenty of friends of mine are like how do you not have an iPad mini like how do you read books I'm like on my Kindle but I mean again I mean they're they're they're they're different they're just you know the the iPad is the way better device for everything unless you want to read books and then you know I just like that my my good old Kindle where is my Kindle? or unsubscribe from a LinkedIn subscription because it won't let you do it on an iPad I'm still mad about that um I like the fact that it's focused so if I'm if I'm using if I'm reading a book on my Kindle I'm not doing anything else well that's what I like to focus I mean and I use my Kindle exclusively like if I I mean if it's late and I'm like it's time for bed then just I'm going to bed but if I'm like you know I've got like an hour left of you know being alive you know like get in bed get comfy no TV, no phone just just reading and I mean I'm asleep usually in like five minutes the backlight on this is the paper white but the backlight on this is so much easier to read at night than an iPad or a phone is because it's so bright using the OLED screen it's so bright but this is like just just the right brightness that I can see what's on here without it like overpowering my eyes and giving me a headache right and like I also I you know I mean it's cool to have like a light on your nightstand if you need one but you don't need one with you know I mean you don't need one with a laptop or phone either but it's like I don't know it doesn't like soothe me to sleep the the e-ink does that whole blue light thing there's something to that for sure it's just too bright right it's bright and yeah like it stimulates something in your brain and you know then you start to you know look at Instagram to your notifications but with this we both have paper whites and with our paper whites we can sit there and read right next to each other and not wake the other person up because it's just not bright I'm with you on that it's only good for one thing but it's really good at it yeah well thank you Amos thanks for being here indeed that was a good show I thought we talked a lot about a lot of stuff we talked a lot about a lot of stuff luckily an Apple show always has content always has stuff we were real smart on that front Pete Master wants to know Eileen how does Tim read his books Tim read his books I mean Tim reads a lot of books that much I know yes he does he's constantly a lot of audiobooks actually too so you know doesn't need the screen you know listening in fact sometimes you know I think I mentioned this before Bluetooth in my older car likes to pick up the passenger instead of the driver and so Tom will get in the car and all of a sudden I'll hear it in 2X I'm like oh my god my head hurts what are you listening to because the car will just pick up his phone and not mine and it's always like an audiobook on 2X and I'm like oh what is that stop it please I have this podcast that I listen to which is embarrassing so I'm not going to tell you what it is but it's reality show stuff it's basically like two guys talking about bravo content two guys okay yeah yeah it's great but you know it's not for everybody it's definitely for me but you know I was here I was staying with my mom for a while and for that reason I went to the gym like twice a day just because I was like I need to get out of my house and even though she's wonderful but you know so I was just like consuming all the pots and this podcast you know I'm listening to it I'm on the Stairmaster and I'm like god they're like really like caffeinated today or something they sound so weird like why are they doing this and then I realized like an hour into like a 90 minute episode that I was on 2x but like like it still worked I heard everything but I was just like they're just they seem crazy yeah you were like why did their voices change I actually why are they going so fast I listened to a podcast only because it was a the opinion was differing what a lot of me and my friends were thinking but the only way that I and I wanted to be educated like what were they saying in this podcast so the only way I could listen to it was in 2x because I was like I can't listen to this like nonsense but I want to know what they're saying so I did it to it I maybe have done 2.5 just so I could get through it but I could hear it all I could hear it all so if you're in a hurry it's not bad 2x no I mean I get it I get it I almost never want to listen to anything that way and maybe it's because just I do so many podcasts that if someone listens to us on 2x I'm like why why do you do it to yourself does anybody listen to us in 2x please let us know you know what that's okay I'm just curious if you like the show and you're like love you guys but that's cool I don't know how to do it a lot of times it's just convenience or necessity like there's several podcasts I listen to that I want to hear but I can't I can't spend 45 minutes listening to it but if I cram it down to 30 minutes at 1.25 or 1.5 speed I can actually fit the whole podcast into my schedule because if I was trying to listen to it at normal speed I wouldn't be able to yeah no I I mean I can't tell you how many podcasts I listen to at normal speed I don't know where my phone is right now but how many podcasts where I'm like I have like 10 minutes left but I just you know I only had the 30 minutes to do my walk or my jog you know so I just never go back to it and you look and you're like but like I didn't really finish so let me ask you is what podcast app do you use to listen to podcasts Apple podcasts for me I've been an overcast user for overcast is good yeah yeah and I was what's the other one though there's overcast there's pocketcast I was listening to pocketcast for a while and I tried overcast and liked it better and then found out that it was a single developer that does it and jumped on that and he's been a marker yeah he used to work for yeah he's been around he's he's been doing this a long time yeah so overcast premium user and happily so you know I um there was a time where I was trying them all out I guess it was just when I was like getting into podcasts on a daily basis where it was like let's try them all out but you know it's like if the RSS works they kind of feel the same to me you know they're like little bells and whistles you know in each um so it is a personal decision I guess but yeah Apple podcasts works fine I mean I go back and forth um mostly because I do most of my music consumption on Spotify so if I see like something on there oh or recommended then I might end up listening to it on Spotify just because it was recommended um but I generally my go-to is Apple podcasts so it's funny I listen to podcasts on on Apple but music on Spotify the podcast app also you know when uh Apple made a standalone app you know outside of iTunes some years ago it's gotten a lot better it used to be sort of like it works but like so many other third-party apps are cooler and now it's like it's fine I originally went to Pocketcast because it had the speed control so I could actually listen to things a little faster and Apple podcasts did not and then I went to Overcast specifically because it's a version of that you know the speeding up was just so much better than Pocketcast and I've just stayed on Overcast since then you know as long as you're listening yeah I think you know the creators are happy subscribe you know I double dipped I'm on I added us both on Spotify and Apple music just because you know I have two different accounts why not and dude y'all could do the same anyway um all right speaking of y'all doing the same I hope y'all go have some I guess I was about the time change has me just so weird right now where I'm like I'm looking outside I'm like okay it's almost 4 p.m. pacific but it feels like noon uh weird you would think my animals would have gave me a little respite this morning because they would have thought let's bug her at 6 30 which they do every morning without fail so I was like they won't bug me until 7 30 because they don't know about daylight saving mmm nope they were like 6 30 on the dots we are onto you yeah just how much I hate time zones in general yeah I was shocked I was like wait what it's this weekend ugh I mean I figured it out on Friday because Ryan Wilson tweeted about it and I was like why is he telling us to spring back first of all he's telling us to do it wink wink spring back when it's spring forward I was like wait a minute is the conversation real it really is real now he was you know he was messing with us but I that was my first like notion of like wait it is this weekend isn't it like oh no I'm not ready for it but whatever I mean I love spring forward because I don't I don't care about the light in the morning I know some people do I prefer light in the evening you know yeah make it light till 9pm man you know that's fun so I don't have to walk my dog in the dark but it's still it still does take it like a solid week just not feel like you're crazy yeah I feel like I'm like like jet lag weirdly yeah I but we our curtains in our bedroom are pretty dark so I don't have to worry about the morning but I do love it light later I just love it I really want to go like Sweden or you know a Nordic country one day during the summer and just see it lightly really or Alaska or Alaska I guess Alaska too it's closer right but I still want to go to Scandinavian country but yeah I mean like the closest I've seen it I guess Vancouver or Seattle I've been there in the summer it was like 9 o'clock oh no that's nothing no you gotta you gotta go yeah I want to see that I haven't seen that I haven't done that yet I've not been to Alaska definitely on the bucket list but the two places most north I've been in the summer were Iceland Reykjavik and and not Moscow what's the other one in Russia why can't I think of the name Leningrad no no no what's the matter with me have I ever been there well anyway very far north very far north and it makes you go crazy truly because the sun never sets or like it does for like an hour it basically doesn't set and so you're just like it's midnight and you're like uh seems like 5pm what are we doing yeah I don't like that at all I wouldn't like it to be dark all the time either but you know you get used to it there's a youtuber I may have mentioned this before to you Sarah who is in Svalbard which is so far north near the north pole and they have St. Petersburg they have a polar night and also the endless summer so she vlogs every year about it and it seems weird that like it's gorgeous but like you know during the polar nights it's like it's so dark all the time like that's kind of crazy and then you know during the summer she's trying to like close her curtain and block it out but it still feels weird you know because you know that there's sunlight out there but you need to go to bed because it's midnight you know so um Amos is for our live folks showing us the sun graph for anchorage during the summer which is crazy I know I mean you've seen Al Pacino very frightening movie and that's because it didn't the sun never went down in Alaska this whole section right here between you know the middle of June and middle of July the sun will you can see it'll dip down behind the mountains but you always know it's just behind the mountains right like it's not like it doesn't go away and then it just comes back up it's pretty trippy because the sun like in the wintertime the sun will go down and it'll come up early like the sun the the sky will brighten up but the sun will come up for several hours after that but when it goes down it gets dark really quick so it gets like the light the amount of light that you get in the morning is way longer than the amount of light that you get at night interesting I never said I was going to move to any of these places but I just wanted to experience it once no Eileen you're moving pack your bags go on to Greenland polar night here I come next year next winter get ready I'll just go to summer where it's on I'll experience the summer right away all right Amos I know you got to do court killers in a few and are going to go on our merry ways thanks to everybody for hanging see you online bye guys bye


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