You're watching Life in the Law today. I'm delighted to have another think tech host on as guest, Carl Campania. We're going to talk about various aspects of the Women's March on Washington and the Women's March here in Oahu, which you attended. I'm delighted that you attended. My husband attended it as well. But first, I'm going to tell you my tale of woe, and I've told this story so many times. I was all set to go to Washington, and I flew out of Hawaii, and I was delayed and delayed and delayed, and the airlines totally messed up my historic weekend. I had a historic weekend plan, and I spent this dark weekend in New York City, instead of in Washington, which is where I wanted to be. But your wife, Sherry Campania, who is the state organizer, really, of the movement. She was officially the state coordinator for the March. She went, and I know she had a great time, so you can bring us information through her. Tell me a little bit about how is the march here. Over 2 million people all over the world participate in this march. It was a stunning success. It was very peaceful. Apparently, people were jammed. They couldn't walk. I mean, that people were so jammed together. 100,000 in New York and like 150,000 in L.A. is just amazing. So what was a while like? How many were here? Well, that's a good question, and everybody will have their take on it. It's hard to have a precise number. What I'll say is it seems to have averaged between 8,000 and 10,000 that people believe. That's the biggest march ever, I think. It's huge. It's huge. I was there, and it was a swarm, a sea of people. There were so many. It was just fascinating. I got pictures of them. Like, this picture doesn't come close to capturing all of it. It was just really an amazing thing to see and a wonderfully inspiring thing to be a part of. Right. After the dismay over the past few months, it just felt so good to participate, again, in a community action, an organized civil action. That's the antidote for the Trump blues, is to keep working. It is. In those moments, when you feel that something, to a certain extent, you could say has been taken away from you. It's not how that works, really, but when you felt something, and when you feel strongly about something and it doesn't happen, you feel a sense of loss. The very first thing you want to do is go do something about that. This gave everyone, for the past couple of months, a focus for all of that internal conflict. What's interesting about this march is that it was as big as many of the bigger marches from the 60s and the 70s, but it had a very truncated time to organize. Considering how short a time this march was organized, in two months, because it was really just the day after the election, that... It started slowly, for that matter, as well. I mean, it was a wonderful, you know, the woman from Maui. Shari Work. Is that her name? I wish I knew her name. Michael Galoia was just telling me her name, and I unfortunately, I don't remember her name. I apologize for that. But she started it with this one little idea that she wanted to post up, that she wanted to do this little march, and as Michael explained it, you know, she went to sleep that night with about 40 people saying, yeah, we agree, and we'll come join you. And when she woke up the next morning, there were 10,000 people saying, yes! And all of a sudden, so that happened really quickly. But actually then take it from this idea into an actual event. That was a slower process, because immediately everyone's like, well, what does this mean? So when you try to get, well, who's going to commit to and being involved? Who's going to, you know, we need sponsors to pay for things? How do we pull this together? Oh, it's always a tremendous organizational quagmire to put on even the smallest march, for the small, you know, for not even, you know, local marches. So I can only imagine what the vicissitudes of trying to put on a national march. It must, but everybody behaved heroically, spectacularly. Absolutely. I heard, if it's true or not, I heard that there was not even one arrest. No, yeah. I haven't heard of any arrests either. No. Yeah. When I'd been arrested the day before during the inauguration, I was really very worried when, you know, that the town was tense and the police were tense. But apparently, you know, it's funny, I always think about this, I think about the Vietnam War. And when you start bringing mothers in and mothers bring their kids in and grandmothers come in, you have a whole different, it's a whole different vibe, you know what I mean? You don't have that, it's a much more measured vibe, you know. So the people who attended create the reality of what goes on, you know. And the fact that women from kids, girls to, you know, senior citizens participated so strongly. And it wasn't only women and girls. No it wasn't. It was also the number of men who were there. You were there, my husband marched with his daughter here. Because it, because we are better as a people when we recognize and support each other. And anybody who's, and we don't operate, most of us try to not operate from a position of fear or feeling that they are threatened. And nor should we. And unfortunately, sometimes that ends up being, I think some of how things are done. But that's, you know, it was the women's march, but it was about human rights. That's right, women's rights are human rights. It's a civil rights issue. And you know what I love about you, and the same thing about my husband, that I know that you are very, how supportive you are, Sherry, and you have somebody, you know, you're married to that person and they're running around and you don't see them. You see them, you know, high and bi and everybody's overbooked and everybody. And to, to, for a guy to really support a woman like that, it's, it's, it's just delightful. So, you know, it's a, it's a, you know. What I'll say is it goes both ways. It sure goes both ways, but, but you know what, it, not, I should not, not that it need not go both ways. It often does not go both ways. It often does not.  To say acceptable is, is another, I think, problem. It's, it's people to believe that, that is more acceptable that the women stand behind or to the side. It's part of the problem. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I, I think that for, for me, I know that I have three older sisters. I was raised by a stay-at-home mom. So I had a very strong female, I guess, connection. Right. Right. Through that. Right. A lot of my great friends over the years have been females, where I've connected with them in different ways. Obviously you connect with your male friends, you connect with your female friends. Well, because of my sisters and because of my mother, my respect, my appreciation, my, my inner belief of just, of justice and equality and just there, it wasn't a question and it was always confusing to me whenever anybody would suggest otherwise. I would just always come from that perspective. It's like, okay, well, who are you? Not what are you? Who are you? What are you about? You're interested in justice and equality and, you know, movers, shapers, you know. The, uh, justice and equality, that, you know what? Not everybody's interested in it. People are interested in a lot more material things than those things. It's true. And I, I will say, that's a good question. That goes back a long way. It really started, I was, I was raised, I was raised Catholic. I made my confirmation for when I was 12 years old. And I was taught a lot of things through that. And as you and I were talking before, the most important lesson that I took away was compassion and care for one another. And I think that that has been the center point, I think, of everything that I, that I have been engaged with. Why I do it is because it comes from that sense of, okay, well, how are we caring for one another? Right, identification with the other person, right? Exactly. So I, so I would say that that's actually where I think it comes from. And then, you know, you add in, you know, the superhero of this, that and the other movies that you see and all of a sudden you get this sense of all that. Well, once you start participating, and I think some of the young activists who had never marched before found this out, that, uh, it's a, it's really addictive. It's, cause everybody's a little trepidation about going to Washington. And I, I, I've marched on Washington tons of times.  It's fun. What, once you get in it, providing nothing goes wrong in the weather really isn't bad. And I mean, things can go wrong, but, but at the heart of it, if it's going well, it's, it's, it's the most, most fun you can have. Cause you're, you're doing, you're, you have a whole zeitgeist of the whole community surrounding you. Absolutely true. And energizing. Absolutely true. And what I have noticed and what I have learned in over the past several years being involved, being an advocate, I'm a policy advocate. I get involved in issues and I try to bring the issues into a conversation. And if I can bring them into the legislature, that's what I try to do. And, and the reason that, well, not the reason, but how that happened was I, I got the idea. It's like, well, you know what? I like this idea. This seems interesting. Uh, let's go participate. And I didn't know what that meant at first. I started to participate. I started to be involved. But what it really, where it started from was I was asked, because I was working on renewable energy project. And as a result of that, I would, you know, you get involved in how the tax credits are this and you get involved in how these things work. So the policy side comes up. Oh, well, the reason for this is because of this tax credit, which was this policy and oh, the clean energy initiative and okay. So I started to, okay. I see how that works. So I started to be involved and learn that side of it. And then I was asked if I would help write a resolution. They just wanted me to give the bullet points of things that could be pointed to for, you know, renewable energy, solar integration. It's like, well, all right. Well, here's some of the things that I picked up. Stuff that you've been thinking about. Exactly. Stuff that I think about stuff I've been reading about, conversations I've had with, you know, state energy office and you name it. So I put it in and I said, well, I hope this helps. And they said, that's extraordinary. So they took that and they put it. And I was like, well, great. I'm glad that was useful. They put it into a resolution and this was on the Big Island. This was at the time chair of the Big Island, Dominic Yagong. Okay. He put it into the resolution. It got put in front of the city council on the Big Island. That resolution passed 90 nothing. Wow. That resolution got turned to the PUC and the PUC went, okay, great. And they turned to the utility and the utility went, okay, fine. We were requesting 100% penetration into each circuit with this resolution. They were currently at that time giving us 50%. So we were asking for the other 50%. Within a month of that resolution passing, the utility went, okay, okay, okay. And they gave us half of what we asked for, like that. They need you in Washington. We're in the wrong place. Well, what I felt in that moment was, wow, I, in average citizen who votes that doesn't engage in this stuff just helped impact local policy. It's very powerful. It was. And that's the snowball. That's where the snowball began for me to say, oh, wow, there are other issues. And hey, how about I go get engaged with the Democratic Party? Cause I lean Democrat. Well, I found out how much of a Democrat I was. And how about I get involved in these issues and those issues and learn more about the process and the power from that. Yes, it's something that gets into you. It makes you want to do more when you realize how you can impact and shape. And that's been, my story is, I'm just an average person like everybody else. I have my job. I do my thing. I take care of my kids. I love my wife. I do everything I can. And I have an opportunity. Some call it a duty, but I have an opportunity to say, hey, how about this? A privilege. I think it's a privilege, frankly. I don't want to call it a privilege because it's not only for me. Well, for me, it's a privilege to serve. You know, talk about Catholicism. It's a privilege to serve others.  So we're going to talk about this a little more. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll talk about the future of the movement, where we see it going. Going big places. Hi, I'm Tim Appichella. I'm the host for Moving Hawaii Forward. And this show is dedicated to transportation and traffic issues in Oahu. We are all frustrated by sitting in our cars in bumper to bumper traffic. And this show is dedicated to talking with folks that not only we can define the problem, but we hopefully can come to the table with some solutions. So I invite you to join me every Tuesday at 12 noon and let's move Hawaii forward. Hi, I'm Donna Blanchard. I'm the host of Center Stage, which is on Wednesdays at two o'clock here on Think Tech. On Center Stage, I talk with artists about not only what they do and how they do it, but the meat of the conversation for me is why they do it, why we go through this. A lot of us are not making our livings doing this. And a lot of us would do this with our last dying breath if we had that choice. And that's what I love to talk to people about. I hope you enjoy watching it. And I hope you get inspired because there's an artist inside G2. Join us on Center Stage at two o'clock on Wednesdays. Bye. Hi, you're watching Life in the Law, which airs Wednesdays from one to 130 on Think Tech, Hawaii. I'm lucky today to have Carl Campania, a co-host in the sense that he also hosts the show. And now movers, shakers, and reformers, and directly before my show. So I'd urge you to look, check out his show as well. We have a sympatico political beliefs, I think. So we were just talking about how movements are built on just anonymous individuals finding out that they can do something. It's stunning when you learn that. When you realize engagement is as simple as you engaging. Right, just do something, do something, yeah. And from little seeds, big trees grow. So I know you were speaking to Michael G. Yeah. Earlier, and what has he seen in the movement going this? Is there a, because we have to keep the pressure up. Yes, we do. There's a lot of plans in the making from a number of directions. But this whole movement was able to pull together a lot of people. And yes, the waking of the sleeping giant. So the whole key from this point, and the conversation started, as I have overheard, the conversation started about what to do next before the march happened. Right, when we went to the seeds of Martin Luther King Day, seeds of peace training. That was like the main issue on our lips because we knew that Washington would be a go and I knew it was gonna be tremendous. I could just tell by the level of excitement and interest. So yeah, we already did start discussing that, yeah. Exactly, so now, getting everybody energized the way that we have, and having so many people, I say we, I'm happy to be a part of it. But having so many people energized and activated and ready to be engaged, ready to do the next thing. The key is to not let that wane, not let that fall away. So making sure that everybody is getting connected, getting their emails in, getting their phone numbers in, making sure that they are hearing about what's going on, making sure that they are aware of the meeting that's coming up to talk about this or the Facebook page that's talking about that and making sure that we continue to hear from each other and talk about, oh, we're gonna meet about this, oh, we're gonna have an event here, we're gonna do this, and staying engaged and having that planned. But you know what I have to say, I think the way the events are going to unfold in Washington, particularly with the Supreme Court nominee, I think it will incite many people to stay engaged. I think people are gonna be very surprised at how things go and are going and things we took for granted, things that we thought were long ago settled are gonna be revisited. That we're seeing that already. We're seeing already with just the executive orders that the current president is already laying out the rolling back of piece by piece everything is being put in place. And how far will it go? Will all regulations be rolled back? So therefore we're gonna go back to soot-filled air from the environment? You know, I think if they could, they would. I look at the head of the EPA. I mean, I think that the administration must feel, oh, we won the lottery, so we're gonna take our capital and spend it like mad. It's not just the administration. It's the entire Republican Party. They found themselves with a bag full of toys that they didn't expect to have.  We can do everything. So now they're about to try to do everything. And they really have about 18 months to do it. Right, right. We should definitely discuss that and let the audience know probably the most significant thing people can do to get involved is to support candidates in the next election cycle who'll promote our agendas, the kinds of things we wanna see done, women's rights, voting reform, those kinds of things because it's gonna be so that it's gonna be really impossible to vote. I mean, if the Republicans have their way, they'll make it really hard, really, really hard to vote. Exactly, exactly. That's kind of a fundamental issue. And by the way, it's not just running for city council or running for state house or state senate or U.S. It's not just those seats. It's also getting involved in the agencies and the departments that work within the state, within the city because those seats in those positions, some of them are just jobs. Some of them are appointed positions. Those are the people who actually administer and engage from the policy side what it then means. Right, right. So how would you recommend getting involved at that level? Do you know, I mean... Well, there are, you can go to the websites. The state has websites, the city and county has websites that you can go to where you see the jobs that are available. A lot of that stuff though, if the appointed positions, it comes down to having the criteria, understanding what the criteria is for what they're looking for and having the background that can fill that criteria and then making your case for it. Unfortunately, sometimes it seems to be a lot of the same people because, well, they've already been doing it. Well, yeah, and that's why, yeah, I definitely always urge people that are not experienced to step up or as my husband says, lean in. My husband's fond of telling me to lean in just to drive me crazy. That was a movement from a couple years ago. And that's one thing I liked about this march is a whole new group of people giving input, running things. So you need to refresh those faces. You need to refresh those positions. Otherwise, new ideas don't begin to, don't burble to the surface and you have the same old people who, you know... Nothing changes then. And Hawaii, I think, is also a little bit, it likes things to remain the same. No one likes change. Change is uncomfortable for most people. But, yeah, it's a potential problem when you have the same people. You can't put the same people in year after year after year and expect a different outcome. Right, right, right. Unless you think everything is fine, or maybe some people do, but clearly they didn't think it was fine when they voted for Trump. Well, yeah, I mean, a lot of people definitely didn't think it was fine. But I have a feeling maybe those people are gonna, if healthcare is taken away and certain other things that entitlements, or whatever you want to, title the wrong word, diminish, I think people are gonna really start questioning what they bargained for. I think that that's true. However, there's a lot to look at. We saw the report the last couple of days that one of the executive orders was to allow the North Dakota Pipeline, the Keystone Pipeline to go again. I put up a Facebook post about that and said, you know what, the Sierra Club is calling for action because this is not acceptable from an environmental perspective. My post was, I agree 100% with the Sierra Club. However, most people aren't going to care and don't care. And the reason they don't care is it doesn't put food on their table, it doesn't pay their bills. Right, because Trump said that all the piping should be made in the United States. Right, but that's the next step. So to finish my post, I said unless that pipeline does put food on their table and pay their bills, in which case they like it. Right. So and then add to that what you just said. Yes, he wants all of the steel to be from US manufacturing. Well, that means we're going to have new jobs. Well, it's what he promised he would do. Well, that would actually do that. It would create some new jobs. It would in some ways perhaps revitalize a bit of that industry. What that's gonna cost, we don't know. But one of the things that they will do that another executive order was pointing out is that we're going to slow down and or stop the regulatory process. They're actually putting in a hurdle or not a hurdle, they're putting in a go around to circumvent. What they're saying is if there's a new regulation, you have 70 days in which to show us how it's gonna work. And if you don't get it to us in 70 days, it's we're gonna go right around it. Wow, that's incredibly restrictive. That's been put in place. So that's what the executive order was. If you have a regulation, you have 70 days to prove it. And if you don't, we're gonna go right around it. So that's all new regulations. Now that just opens the door for saying, okay, great. What regulations that they've already said they're going to reduce, are they gonna reduce? So will we be going back to the 1880s with our air quality? Well, you know, I think we have been, with certainly like in labor, if you grew up as I did in the 70s and 80s when I first began working, and it was everyone had healthcare, everyone had paid days off, everybody had permanent jobs. There was no gig economy. So that's been dismantled and that's sort of been pushed back to the 19th century. The rights of workers have been pushed back dramatically since the 1970s. They are trying over and over again the right to work laws in many states, all of these things that do everything in their power to either cut out, eliminate the unions, they would like to eliminate the minimum wage. How is this helping people? And this is the thing, all of these policies that they're talking about, all of these executive orders that he's putting out and everything that they appear to be ramping up for, we'll see, looks like people will be making less money, they will have no healthcare or very little or how expensive it'll be as a whole with their question, I don't know, but they won't have access to it, especially if they start repealing the pre-existing conditions. Okay, so we're gonna have, and then based on the education thing that's gonna happen with Betsy DeVos, what is that gonna mean? You know, I funny, you should mention Betsy DeVos, I think she's not gonna make it. I think that they're not gonna allow her through. I think she's such a bad candidate.  I think she's very unappealing. I don't, I think she's unappealing because of her position on vouchers and what she has done in Michigan on policy.  I know, but I think that her, I just think that Congress is gonna find her type of power a little bit unpalatable. We'll see, what we've heard for years is the Republican Party wants a voucher system. They, what we heard Trump say recently is the Department of Education is a wash in funds. Right. A wash in cash. Right, right. Okay, so then, okay, what I'll say is the amount of money that exists in the Hawaii Department of Education very little of it gets into the classroom. Right. Okay, well, if we're looking at it from that perspective, how do we make education better by putting more money in the classroom which includes the teachers? Right, I'm gonna, I love this conversation because my mother's a teacher and I think teachers really should be earning, I'm twice what they're earning probably, if not more. Right, exactly. And I'm an attorney and sometimes I shake my head and I say, there's something wrong in this society. But I want to thank you for coming on. Thank you for giving me your perspective. It's totally great and thanks for marching and thanks Sherry for everything she's done and hopefully Sherry will be on the show and tell us directly about what she saw and where we're going, where we're going. Absolutely. Okay, thanks for coming on. Thank you. Okay.


Well, my dear students, the course is Labour Policy Pakistan and the topic is Pakistan Tripartite Labour Conference and Standing Labour Committees. My dear students, following the devolution of matters concerning Labour legislation and administration to the provinces, the four provinces have each promulgated Industrial Relations Acts between 2010 and 2015. In addition, the provinces each established their respective provincial, tripartite, consultive committees, which are known as PTCCs. And the committees that were created between August and September 2014, following that of a federal, tripartite, consultive committee, which is known as FTCCC. Government reports that three of the provinces, PTCCs, Choke provinces, Balochistan, Punjab and Sindh have since then provided for a wider representation of employer and worker groups in this regard. The government indicates that the FTCCC and PTCC have discussed the matters required under Article 5 of the Convention of ILO. It adds that since June 2015, the FTCCC has held four meetings. The committee noted that the Khabar Pakhtunkhwa, PTCC and the Punjab PTCC have each held four meetings. While the Balochistan PTCC and the Sindh PTCC have held two and three meetings respectively, my dear students. My dear students, the government provides information on national labour law and policy matter discussed during the different FTCCC and PTCC meetings, some of which are related to implementation of international labour standards. My dear students, you are aware that the tripartite social dialogue here, it is considered to be a key component of smooth industrial relations and productive economy in a country, my dear students. And this process involves consultation, negotiations and consensus on policy issues among three partners or the three partners the state, employers and workers. My dear students, the point to be noted that though the state has established a number of tripartite mechanisms, it does not confer legal authority on these to enforce implementation or recommendations that come out of the meetings. The role of tripartite consultations is not ensured in the constitution nor in a specific law, my dear students. Hope you have understood the topic. Thank you very much indeed.


Lakeland Currents, your public affairs program for North Central Minnesota, produced by Lakeland PBS with host Bethany Wesley. Production funding for Lakeland Currents is made possible by Bemidji Regional Airports, serving the region with daily flights to Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport, for information available at BemidjiAirport.org. Closed captioning for Lakeland Currents is sponsored by Niswa Tax Service, tax preparation for businesses and individuals online at NiswaTax.com. Welcome back to Lakeland Currents, I'm Bethany Wesley. Minnesota has more than 2,000 miles of trail that cater to all-terrain vehicles, off-highway motorcycles, and off-road vehicles. Locally, ATV and OHV enthusiasts band together through the Northwood Riders OHV Club. But there is more to this club than just trail rides. Here to tell us about the Northwood's riders and what they do are Travis Hattine, the club president, and Michelle Vould, the club secretary. Welcome. Thanks for coming. Thank you for having us. So as we get started, let's talk a little bit about what your role is with the club. So secretary, I'm assuming you just kind of help keep things on track, do the minutes, the kind of recording kind of information? Yes, and any paperwork that needs to be done for any maintenance or anything that's done on the trails is submitted by me. Okay, so how long have you been involved with the club? I believe I've been with it since 2014. And Travis, have you been president for a long time? No, just actually about two months now, just in April I was elected president. So I've been involved with the club for just over a year now. I've been involved with ATV and snowmobiling my whole life growing up with it. Is that how you initially got involved with OHV-EEN as a kid? Yes. Was it like a family thing? Yeah, my dad was the one that started the snowmobile club back in Roseau County. So I've been involved with the clubs and activities my whole life. I was taught snowmobile safety training and then I moved here to Bemidji in 2016 and found the club and thought it'd be a good way to get to know people and get to know more things in the area. Michelle, how were you introduced to the sport or how did you kind of get interested in it? I guess we just started attending meetings and thought this was something we needed to be involved in. It's a fun family get together. So tell me what the club is. How long has it been around? Is it new? Has it been established for a while? The club originally started back in the late 70s. We've been around for about 38, almost 40 years now. So it's kind of been a lot of different people have been involved with it and different presidents and board members throughout the years. Okay. Would you say your membership has been growing, kind of declining? Are you pretty stable? I would say probably originally, I would say it's growing still. I think every year we've been getting more people. About how many do you have members? Approximately right now as of 2017 we had 125 members and when it first started there was about 12. So it's certainly grown though, it has grown. Tell me about the footprint. Like are you pretty Bemidji proper? Are you kind of Beltrami County? Where do your members come from? They're come from all over. Actually a lot of them are around the Bemidji area, the Beltrami County. We have a lot of people that come from out of state to come for rides and around the area, being that Bemidji is kind of a tourist area. I think we see a lot more than just Bemidji area people you see from out of state, out of town, distances that are people are traveling to come here. Okay. We've had them come as far as Grand Forks from Cass Lake. So okay, we want to talk about some of the definitions because for those who maybe are not familiar with exactly OHV, ATVs, all the acronyms. So let's just go with pretty basic. ATV is all terrain vehicle. Correct. So OHV is what exactly? Off-highway vehicle which includes like your bigger pickups and jeeps, vehicles of that sort. Okay. Motorcycles, side-by-sides. Okay. So does your membership reflect that then? I mean do you have pretty much a wide variety? Are they pretty specific ATVs or? 99% ATV I would say. Okay. Do you get a lot of like the dirt bikes? Like those kind of things? Is that in the umbrella or is that a little separate? As far as our club, not necessarily so many of them I don't that I've noticed. That aren't a part of the club. Yeah. You know, you might see them out cruising the trails, but not. But they're not members of the club. Right. Correct. All right. Have you seen that changing at all? I mean has there been any emergence of more that you're starting to see more interest in it and maybe something that's less traditional? I think it's more and more and more people are getting with the side-by-side your class 2 ATVs where people can go to people sitting side-by-side, riding long through the trails enjoying it, getting to actually have a conversation and talk about things where traditionally before it was just a one-person vehicle. Okay. So I think with the popularity of the side-by-side or your class 2 ATV you're seeing a lot more growth in the sport too. Okay. So if you have side-by-sides that are kind of emerging instead of one person, does that make them wider? Like do the trails still accommodate those? Our trails still accommodate it. You know, most of our trails are at least eight feet wide and usually try to go wider so we don't have we can meet in 90% of the spots without an issue. Okay. I want to talk kind of about kind of your typical or average member. So are the individuals, are they families? I would say we're probably, it's kind of in between. We've got both. I mean, but it seems like we're building more families that are coming aboard, which is great. Do you find that it's kind of a family sport though? So like if dad or joins that maybe the family follows with it, you know what I'm saying? Once one person gets involved, do the others kind of come? Yes. I would say. Okay. All ages?  I mean, how young do you have, right? I was out on the trails last night and actually saw a side-by-side going down the road two people in it with a car seat with a child in the car seat. So your variety and you know, it all depends what people show up with at the times of the meetings. But I know we've had people that are four years old out on our club rides. Okay. Up to almost 80. Is it predominantly male, female?  You know, is it all genders, all socio-economic? Is it the whole range? All genders. I think it's a pretty broad range. You know, you get a lot of families that are involved, husband and wife, or you get individuals that you see too. But I think we have a really broad, it isn't just one demographic by any means. I think your stereotype is it's a male sport, but I don't think, I don't really believe in that anymore. I said we see way more family involvement or couple involvement. Oh, that's got to be fun. Kind of get to showcase that and kind of show that it's not what maybe people think in their head. Correct. Interesting. Okay. So tell me what, what do you like about riding? When you're out riding, Michelle, what is it that you really enjoy? What does it you look forward to doing? What's the allure? You know, living in Northern Minnesota, there are so many beautiful images out there. And unless you're able to get out into the backwoods to actually see what we have, it's, it's for me, it's just relaxing. You get to meet new people. It's just a wonderful way to just spend a good quality day with family and friends. What about you? What do you really look forward to it? Is it the thrill? Is it the speed? Is it? To me, it's kind of a combination. The biggest thing to me, it's just getting away from that day to day life, hectic, chaotic, your work environments, your whatever it is. It's just a way to get away from a check out of reality for a period of time. You know, getting out to see different things, getting out to new areas, exploring, spending some time with friends and family. Okay. So if you talk to somebody who kind of has interest in the sport, but they're not really quite ready to fully commit, right? I would imagine that that's kind of an expensive endeavor to fully commit. How do you kind of encourage someone to kind of take those initial steps? Is there, is there a way you can try it without buying a whole machine? There's ways you can. You can rent machines from various areas. Me, I always try to have, bring other people with. You know, if we have extra machines or spaces available, I always try to encourage new people to come with. Here, take my machine and come with us. We'll show you around and make it a short trip, a long trip, whatever a person likes, or whatever, how we'll gauge on their interest and enjoyment of it at the time. Okay. Do you have any tips for someone who maybe perhaps wants to get started and doesn't really know how to really find that entry point right away? I mean, just connecting with someone who does it, is that the best way to approach it? Yeah. I think it is. I think another good way to reach out is to get to your clubs. You have your social media outlets. Hey, I would like to be interested in this, see it. Is there any way that somebody would have a spot where I could ride with? You know, I would love to see some more people try and reach out to us other than somebody that you know or you know of and specifically. Because you know they're out there, right?  I just don't know where to start. I want to talk about some of the regulations and some of the more paperwork stuff. Do you need a license to drive? No, you do not. Age 12, anyone born after July of 1987 has to have ATV safety training. So anyone under 12 also has to have it and go through it. There's various different ways we can go about training. There's an online portion, depending upon your age, that you can get it and then you have some of them actually have to have a class where you have to go and do a driving portion of it also. Oh, well, okay. So if someone needs to find those resources, where would they go to try to locate that information? The best bet is to go to your DNR website, Minnesota DNR, or else you can reach out to your local ATV clubs. The clubs are always a great organization for resources and knowledge of both areas and rules and regulations. Usually they're pretty familiar with it and have contacts to your conservation officers and stuff that can get a specific question answered for you. Okay, so if I'm hearing you right, you don't actually host the trainings, but you could help direct people to where they need to go to get these. We will be doing our first day training here in August. We're working on getting all set up and finalized here, so we will be putting that on every year also. Have you done that before? Is that new? Um, this will be new for most of us. For all of us actually. So that's not an online, and that's where somebody would physically go and be able to just take part in like a class kind of setting? They have to have an online portion of it. There has to be an online class that they do online. There's a bunch of questions they have to do. They have to answer a test and then they print out a certification, and then they can bring that to us to do the driving portion of it. And then for anyone under 16 or 18 has to go through that and has to have both forms. You have to have the online certification, and then you have to have the driving part, and then we send that into the DNR, and then you will get an actual certification card from the DNR. Oh, okay. Speaking generally, I mean, in your experiences, has it been a safe sport? I mean, have you had problems or is it pretty safe? It's been very safe. We have not had any encounters with any issues along the trails whatsoever. And between the Schoolcraft Trail and then the Wilton Trail North, we've got approximately 75 miles of trails, and there's not been... Do you think that's a misconception? Do you hear from people sometimes who aren't familiar with the sport that, oh, I would never let my kid or I don't want to get involved, it's not safe? I think there's always them notions out there of them things, because like everything bad news travels fast. So I think that's where a lot of people get them misconceptions.  Okay. I want to move kind of more into the actual club itself and what it is you guys do. So how do you describe what you do to people who are unfamiliar? What is it that, is it about the trail rides? Is it about more than that? Where is the focus? Each month when we do our meetings, we've got old news that we cover. We have new news, anything that anybody wants to talk about. We've got banking information that we talk about. Monthly rides are trail maintenance. Club activity is how to get new people involved, new businesses involved, where to go, different issues that come up. We deal with people, some of the stereotypes that you have is it's a destructive sport. Well, I don't quite agree with that one either because we spend a lot of time maintaining and helping preserve this stuff so we can keep it going too. Okay. And by not, you know, by having these trails, we aren't utilizing the approaches as much as what people used to utilize. So you're not, you know, if somebody is going up somebody's driveway and they're gonna mash on it, you don't have to worry about that anymore because you're back, you're in the backwards. Okay. The trails can keep you off of that situation. Yes. Let's talk about these trails. We've brought them up a couple times. There's I think something like 54, correct me if I'm wrong, in the state. Correct. Okay. There's two main ones kind of that you guys focus on here locally. Is that right? Yes. Okay. So where are they? Give or take. We have our Wilton Trail North System, which is basically at the intersection of Highway 2 and Highway 89, just west of Bemidji. Okay. And then we have our school craft trail system, which would be kind of near Beltrami, Hubbard County line. Okay. Are they pretty comparable in terms of length? The North System I think is a little bit longer. Yeah. I think the North System is about 40 miles. Give or take a few there. And the school craft, the south side there is approximately 20-ish, 25. So is there a kind of that sweet spot in terms of a good length to really try to hit? Like when you go out riding, is it like it's not really worth it unless it's X long or, you know, is there, is there a target? I think that's kind of a personal preference, you know. I go out with some groups that will go out and put on 150 miles in a day and other people think that's just unheard of and other people so they have the conception that it's a 20-mile day. You know, we've did it a lot of times just go out after work and take the grill with and cook hot dogs along the trail in the woods and you've put on 20 miles that night, but you just got out away from things and enjoy nature. So if you go out riding just on your own, just not necessarily with the group, just for your own enjoyment, do you usually pass others? Like are they well used enough to the point that when you go out you expect to see others or is it more solitary? Oh yes, I mean there's, you're passing lots of people on the trails. They're well used. Very well used, yes. Okay. Are they strictly OHV trails? Do you have to share them with other uses? Most of them are a shared use trail. There are some specific areas that you get into that are just your dirt bikes or your motorcycles that are some that are just class 1 ATVs. Some are OHV, meaning like your Jeep side pickups and stuff. So it all depends on the area where you're at. What about these two specifically? Most of it is actual multifunction trail of what we have. Okay. All right. Who maintains the trails? I know you guys talked about doing cleanups. Is it kind of left up to you to keep them in good shape? Yes. Correct. Okay. How do you do that? How often?  We put out garbage cans to help prevent a lot of that stuff. We try to, you know, storms. There's always trees falling down in the woods and everything. So we're always out there constantly cutting trees, maintaining the right-of-ways kind of brush mowing and along that. Just some other areas. We've did some pretty extensive work, you know, thousands of dollars and getting heavy equipment in there doing work to repair areas from storm washout or widening trails. So you kind of clean them up once in the spring, right? Kind of as the season gets started. Yes. And then once kind of as it ends. Yes. Of course, no mobile season. Okay. I'm sure they appreciate that. Yes. And then throughout the season if there was a storm or if you guys are riding them off it enough, I'm assuming a member would tell you, Travis, something's looking off on school craft? Yes. We're out there pretty frequently. You know, that's the nice thing with some of this stuff. We have some social media outlets or websites and places where people, if they see an area of concern they've brought, you know, they've messaged us so we can take care of that stuff to eliminate some of the hazards or areas of garbage that have been dumped from who knows what.  You keep them up to date, but I mean good in terms of an amount of trails is are we lucky to have the trails that we have here versus other parts of the state? Or, I mean, is it, you wish you had more? There's always room for growth. We're, you know, on some of our the school craft trail, we don't have a lot of off trails off the main trail and it would be nice to be able to, right. It'd be nice to extend the school craft trail and go towards the Beside area and eventually hook up to the Wilton trail. On the Wilton trail, it would be nice to expand into some of the snowmobile trails that are already exceeded out there and go on to some of the other local establishments in town just to help give them more business as well. So there's always room for growth and we're hoping in the next couple years that we can expand some more. Okay. That's kind of part of us as a club. You know, we're kind of the ones that start to drive a lot of that development of the trails, you know, without a lot of your organizations. I don't feel you'd see a lot of growth of these trail systems. They won't be put out there. You know, it's a pretty big misconception that the DNR actually maintains the trails. Well, the DNR has very little maintenance of the trails. It's your local organizations are what's actually maintaining it, keeping them open for everyone. Okay. So if you have a club like yourself that's pretty on top of it in terms of maintenance, does that make it perhaps more likely that they'd be open to expanding more because they know that you're fairly responsible with them? Definitely. You know, we have inspections from the DNR and the county people that are out and they monitor what we're doing and make sure we're keeping up with what we're doing. And we have we're out with them recently and they were very impressed with what we're doing and have any complaints of anything. So they're, you know, that goes along ways in helping the public see it that we're trying to maintain it and so we can develop more stuff too. What is the process for adding trails? Like who is it just you write letters and hope that is it the DNR? I mean is it who do you have to kind of sway? It's kind of goes through a few people. We end up going with the working with the DNR. We work with townships. We work with county officials, state land, private land. It all depends where the trail is that we're really looking to go. It depends what kind of land you're looking across and are we looking to utilize some kind of a trail that's already there or do we want to cut down a path through wooded area already? So if you have an area that you're like gosh it'd be really nice to use this land it really comes down to whoever that land loaner or the governmental entity that oversees it. That has a lot to do with it, yes. Would you say there's different types of trails in terms of like skill levels like is there a beginning trail that you know you'd kind of say well start here until you get used to it go to this one's a little bit more rougher you know are there different levels? I think there definitely is in some areas. I don't know on our trail system that we have I guess the the Wilton Trail maybe is a little more basic the beginning part of it as it's an old railroad grade so it's pretty straight flat pretty basic and then from there there's off chutes of that that get into more technical areas if you want really technical areas there's OHV parks that are up you know there's a several of them around the area you know up towards Gilbert Hibbing up on the Iron Range stuff they have different a lot of different degree of technical riding there that are labeled so you can get into some more rock climbing areas or just basic trails if you want to. And that really comes down to what the interest is right because you talked more about maybe the camaraderie and kind of the being with other people versus really seeking a thrill. Yeah okay I want to move into the camaraderie portion as long as we brought it up so tell me about the group lights how often do you host them? We are aiming towards doing them twice a month now this year just stopping along the trail take out the girl cook hot dogs have some chips visit introduce people to other trails that might be off of the main trails that we're riding just having fun something different. So you kind of just put it out that this is the day we're meeting this is the time come on out we're going to go for a ride and it's more than just the ride then it's also the stopping and the talking and the visiting. We always make sure we stop and talk with people you know kind of keep track of everyone making sure that everybody knows where we're going you know if they have questions that they can see what we're trying to do you know if we're hey this is an area we're trying to look at developing a trail through here that's one of our goals or you know make sure people get to introduce and meet each other. Is there an average number of members that you aim to have at those rides to make it quote-unquote worth it you know I'm saying is there a number that we really need to have at least a dozen kind of thing or we're just grateful when anybody shows up yeah I mean it can range from you can range from having 10 people to we've had 50 yeah it's interesting you talk about the camaraderie because when you think about people riding vehicles you think perhaps it's hard to talk but it's because you make these stops and have visits and you know whether you have food or not okay is it more fun if you have more people with you? I think that's kind of a personal preference you know some people like to go a long distance and just want to go and I think with a big group that can be difficult sometimes and then there's other people that just are just want to get out and see a little bit go out for an hour either so whoever shows up I guess a lot of it's personal preference I feel. Do you kind of alternate between the two trails then I mean is that kind of yes if you do it twice a month once here once there yes is that kind of okay we've went different areas you know we've tried to connect up to there's other trail systems that our systems will link to and try to get people out to see some of them too.  We haven't yet um it's the thing that I've thought about that can maybe be a good idea to try to have some of these clubs work together and get people out knowing about some other areas too. Okay other than just coming together for the camaraderie and the fun of it all what other purpose does it sell it send does it show people the strength of your numbers at all like when they see you all coming as a big group does it like wow there's a lot more of these than we thought? I think there is there's some truth to that you know here it gets people out um you know we have put maps out that we look for advertising people to help pay for some of these costs as we're all a non-profit we have to generate our own income um and I think if you can see some of them larger groups of people out you know some of your businesses are probably more likely to um look at advertising and helping out with some of these things. Okay You've mentioned that you have sponsors right you do have companies that have supported your club and your mission what do you get from that what does a sponsorship kind of do what is it what's what's the purpose? I think the to me the big purpose is it's bringing people aware to it you know helping business partners helping to promote the sport um helping you know do some of the funding of it like I said we have to um the DNR we do this work to help maintain the trails and then we resubmit it to the DNR but the DNR does not pay for everything that we submit either you know we only get a portion of what we submit to them back so there we're always looking for extra funding I think another thing there is it's you know it's a place where people can get information about an organization from to do the sponsorships and like when you see like when you're out driving around if you find out I think like backwards right I think yes okay one of your sponsors um does it help kind of I don't want to say legitimize because you're certainly legitimate but does it help I'm sure you have run into misconceptions where people are just anti-18 years they think that it's destructive which you've said it's not does it help to kind of help combat that does that make sense does it help to be able to show them that no we're not we're actually fairly respectful I think so yes I think it definitely helps with that I said you know you have other businesses that are I don't think any business that is going to associate with a negative organization or a negative group you know I don't think how many business people want to be associated with negativity I guess is my way of it is there an impact on the economy through this do you know what I'm saying like is there a big enough group that it really helps drive you know the economy you all go out you all have you know meetings at different places of business what is the impact are there more of you than we think yes I yes there is we try to utilize each one of the establishments that you know that we have trails that go up to as far as restaurants or bars or whatever and then we try to do our monthly meetings we try to rotate between those facilities each month so that we can kind of bring that business that direction to we help promote their business bring business and people to them also okay interesting so if someone's watching this now and they have an interest in learning more or perhaps even getting involved where would they go what what should they do they can go to our website which is northwoodsriders.com you can also find us on facebook and otherwise you can reach out to any one of us okay all right what does a membership get to a degree you know what is the what does it get you know you contribute to the to the club right which helps your trails which keeps all the the interest going in your hobby but is there something you know is there is there more to it you know with your with your membership you know we you get a lot more information on a lot of the sports some of these areas to go we try to promote trail closures trails opening new trails other club activities other activities of other clubs also you know it helps camaraderie it helps get you introduced other people i think you see a lot more than just what you know helps establish the trail system you know it's kind of a strengthen numbers thing you know hey we have 300 people that are interested in this instead of 12 or whatever your numbers are well listen i want to thank you guys for coming on thanks for telling us all about the club and the trails and other information in terms of how to get involved so thank you for joining me today if you're interested in learning more about the club the website here is on the bottom of the screen through that website you can also access their facebook page so thank you for joining me please join me next time


Hello people of the internet, my name is Johnny and welcome back to some more FNAF news. We're back once again with some more news on the Fazbear Fanverse initiative. And this is pretty big because we just got a major reveal of some pretty early gameplay of one of the upcoming games in the fanverse and it looks incredible. So without further ado, let's not waste any more time with this intro. If you are excited for Pop Goes Evergreen, hit the like button, subscribe so you stay up to date with all the news in FNAF and the fanverse. Let's kick it off. So what exactly is Pop Goes Evergreen? What is the fanverse if you even don't even know about that? Well, basically the Fazbear Fanverse is an initiative to make some fan games in the FNAF community, basically official FNAF products. And one of the game series in the initiative is the Pop Goes series by Kane Carter. And speaking of Kane and his team, they just released a official FNAF spin-off, Pop Goes Arcade. It's on Steam right now. If you want to go pick it up, show some support. There'll be a link down in the description below. But they're also working on Pop Goes Evergreen, which is a official reboot of the Pop Goes game all the way back from 2016. And that is exactly what we're going to be talking about in today's video. Because Kane just released a brand new look at the office gameplay in Pop Goes Evergreen. It looks absolutely spectacular. I did watch this video live when it premiered, but of course I'm going to show it off with you guys. Here we go. So this we actually saw at the end of Pop Goes Arcade and the Machinists when he got 200%. And don't worry, we're going to go back, we're going to pause, take a look at things. But let's just play it in full right now. So this is the front view.  You can even change the color of the phone. Look at that.  Also the music. We're going to touch upon that in a bit. This is to your right, you can see stone outside the window. This is a look at the show stage and some of the dining room. You can see Pop Goes on the stage. And that is the full dining room. The door down there, you can see is the server room. Back to the front view, showing off the panic meter, how that works now. You can see there's now two panic meters, so we're going to talk about that. It just looks absolutely insane. The music goes so hard as well. Back looking at stone. You can see some of the panic meter going down, but not the percent. And that's going to do it. Pop Goes Evergreen, still early in development. Play the prologue out now on Steam, Pop Goes Arcade. So let's go through it bit by bit. I will also show off a comparison showing some footage from Pop Goes 2016, comparing it to the footage we have now of Pop Goes Evergreen. I'll take my facecam off just so you can see a full view of the screen. But this, like I said earlier, is the front view. This is your new office. This is your new, you know, station that you work at.  You can see this still belongs to Fritz Glade. As you can see, you got cams 1 through 10. You still have the reset room button. If I remember correctly, I think Cam 1 does have a vent, but there's no vent button that maybe because the camera is simply not displayed. Or maybe there's a different way to look in the vent cameras, but we do get a look at the system pretty later on in the video. Yeah, so here it is. So it looks like there's some, there's some different button you press. Actually, wait, hold on. It looks like this gets flipped. Yeah, look at that. So you click this button or maybe there's some default button you click and it'll switch between the basic cameras and also the vent cameras, which you can see only cams 6, 3, 1, 2, 5 and 7 have vent cameras. And you can see it still goes all the way around and you can also heat the vent. There it is in action. And all the rooms seem to be color coordinated. Look at that. Nice, nice, nice. Ah, so here we get a look at a different color for the phone. So it looks like we will have the option to select different colors and customize our phones. So this looks like it's the default green. Then you can switch over to a yellow. Very nice. A blue. Purple, red, orange, red.  And this is, this is insane. I love this shot of stone. So this is a look off to your right hand side at the brand new car park outside the window with Stone the Crow. You can also see a Popco's Pizzeria, some artwork signed on the window. Looks like this says parties, arcades, something, something. Arts, crafts maybe, photo, room, area. I don't know. I'll flip it for you guys so you can read it, but I can't read it when it's backwards. But this is stone. God, he looks so, so, so good. I cannot believe that. So this is the window you're going to look out, presumably to lower your panic. This is a look at the show stage with Popco's, only Popco's on the stage.  Looks like you got a poster with Popco's and looks like Toy Bonnie. What does that say? I can't, I can't really make out what that says though. If you guys know, leave a comment down below. What, what does this poster say? I can't really zoom in myself. Also take notice, the lights flicker. Very, very interesting. Good attention to detail. I like that. There's another poster out this way, a room, which if I remember correctly is the office of the man on the phone, whose name I'm totally not blanking on right now. It's not Fritz, right? Am I stupid? No, it is Fritz. Yeah, this right here, it looks to be the entrance to the server room. It also looks like someone may have spilt a drink or something, caution, wet floor. And you can see all the other stations that people can sit at and, you know, play games on their phones, on the monitors, whatever. Yeah, use your Weaselware phone to play awesome games here. It's awesome games, guys. What kid wouldn't want to, wouldn't want to go to Popco's pizzeria? You can just barely make out. I think this is usually the door that Popco's will go out of. Yeah, this is a look to your left. It looks so good. Again, the detail is just absolutely insane. Let's go back. Look at the detail on this. The amount of things in this office and how well everything looks with the lighting, the textures. It looks absolutely insane. Absolutely phenomenal. Anyways, back to the front view to show off the panic bar. As you can see, this bar goes up, but it's only until this bottom bar fills up that your percent goes up and you get a flashing like caution sign. And you can also see it with all the different colors, purple, blue, yellow, whatever. Look at that. Yeah, so it looks like this is your warning panic. Like, hey, you're about to panic if this first bar fills up enough and then once the bottom one fills up, that's when your percent goes up and looking out the window. You can see lowers that, but it doesn't lower the bottom one. That's super interesting. Back to the front view and that's going to do it. Pop goes evergreen still early in development. Like I said, I mean, this whole thing just looks absolutely insane. It really, really does. I mean, this whole area, look at Pop goes in the dark. Man, that's terrifying. He's so creepy up there on stage alone. This, this view, it just, I can't get over it. I really cannot. It looks so, so, so good. Especially comparing it to Pop goes from 2016. I'll flash up some comparisons while I talk. I recently played through that game. I want to say a couple of weeks ago at this point. It's a good game and it got me super excited for evergreen. And now seeing this after playing that original game from 2016, seeing how much, you know, progress, you know, the team has made, I cannot get over it. It, it blows me away. What Kane and the team have been able to do with this office. It looks, I mean, it looks insane. Like look at this car park. Look at like their reflections of the, of the cone.  Guys, look at the reflection of the cone on the floor. Oh my God, that looks insane. What it does, right? The lights outside on the street lights, all the lighting inside the office, inside the building, the lights flickering, the small attention to detail. It just, it looks so good. I cannot wait to see more. Kane did say in the premier chat for the office that he's going to show off more things in the next coming weeks. So probably soon we can see more evergreen content or just overall Pop goes content. But I think the, the most important thing to take away from all of this is the fact that this ending bit at the end, it's still early in development. The office looks insane. Obviously Kane and the team are doing a stellar job and they just got done working on Pop goes arcade a whole bunch, but it's still super early in development. You know, we didn't see any rooms. I'm not saying we have to see any rooms. You know, obviously I want Kane and the, and the team to take their time on this, especially if it looks all good like this. We've seen some, you know, teasers of some rooms in the past and those look incredible. This whole game looks absolutely phenomenal. So the last thing I want to do and the last thing I want you guys to do is rush Kane and the team because obviously they are super, super talented and they can do incredible stuff like this. So we have to give them the time and the patience that they need to make this game as good as it possibly can be. I forgot to mention this. So I'm just going to read it off in post right now as I'm editing, but the description of the office premiere has some pretty good information that I want to read off. First up, unfortunately, a leak of Popco's Evergreen station or office. What do we even call it? Panorama was released on YouTube a few days ago. So we've decided to show off the most recent version properly. This is still somewhat of a work in progress and I would consider it a prototype. Though the models here are final. The gameplay will include more effects. The phone itself will flicker in the dark as seen in the 200% ending for Popco's arcade and panic will have some visual symptoms as well. And of course, the monitor will actually be turned on lull. The music in the background is a real preview of the dynamic night ambiance composed by Radiark. It changes based on your perma panic. So that is that bottom panic bar that we talked about. As it says at the end of the video, Popco's Evergreen is indeed still early in development. If I said otherwise, I would be lying. There is still a lot to do. That being said, Popco's arcade a massive prologue RPG game did just release on steam. Also, check out Popco's arcade on steam official FNAF spinoff game. Hell yeah. That's going to do it for this quick little FNAF news video update on the Fazbear fan verse and also Popco's Evergreen looks insane. I can't say it enough. I'm going to keep saying it. It looks insane. Like I said, links to Popco's arcade to go played on steam in the description. Links to go follow Popco's Evergreen on game Joe links to, you know, follow Cain and the crew also linked down below. Please go show support. They are doing incredible, incredible works right now. And you know who else is incredible? You for watching this video all the way through. Hey, thanks so much. And I'll see you all on the flip side. Goodbye.