What's up everyone?    It's been really cool So I appreciate all you guys that are that are hanging out and shooting the shit with us and learning with this as As you do a lot of this deep diving and get ready for the shows and picking show titles and and shit to talk about One thing I do ask is that people share the podcast we need people to share them so much right now because of I mean it's starting from scratch.  I just Went back to that Here we go Mr. Goat farm Yeah, everybody check out Santa Cruz There we go Santa Cruz go farm on right seats calm go check it out We have all the stuff up tons of pictures all that good stuff I Exist there you are Indeed all right. So how's your how's your start of your week weekend? It's going good good so far. Yeah It's going good good deal Like fairs in town so my kids are all excited. Are they there right now? Yeah, they go At least some of them Some of them. Yeah. Yes. This is these are my caribers behind me, of course You like the backdrop it's better than the prison wall it is better than the prison wall It's a lot. You know, it just shows what you can spend on yourself when you don't have children Yeah, you could buy yourself all kinds of figurines. Yeah, someone asked about resin lung I have no clue. I texted him two days ago. It's not no response yet He likes to to go away and disappear for a long period of time randomly one of the weirdest dudes I've ever met He does he does like to you know hibernate Hibernate not not everyone has the easiest time with Socialization and all that you know Yeah, and in fact I will say too that Like a lot of breeders and growers and all that kind of stuff like it You know at some at some times like you have to be somewhat used to isolation Yeah, you know you spend a lot of time kind of alone Yeah, you know what I mean?  He's so funny. I know we all miss him But yeah, hopefully he'll come back sometime Yeah, it would be good. I mean but that a lot of times that's weed people Yeah, you know they flow in and out, you know, sometimes you only have so much energy for socialization Yeah, you know and the desire to be public You know, yeah, somebody said pandemic same thing for me pandemic was easy. I'll spend a lot of time alone and You know, yeah I was super easy for me But for a lot of people that are super social You know, I mean there's a lot of people that can't even be quiet Yeah, you know they get they have to have music on or they have to have someone talking because it's like they're just not used to Yeah so Yeah, it looks like someone accidentally got blocked. Sorry. Sorry, whoever it was. I can't unblock you I'd have to stop the show to do it. So um, yeah Yeah, matt on the not only does he have a quick block finger. He has a fat Actually, then I'll block thumb I do I do The problem is like when people say shit in here that I want to get rid of I go to click it and I'll go to hit boot But sometimes it'll scroll up when I go to do it and I do it so fast that it's just like boom And then I tell I'm like, well, I'm trying to remember stuff and answer question Then I'm like, I don't even remember who I did it to but before before um Like uh, we jump into like what the show is actually about.  They sand those edges Yeah, we do and so we get a lot of quirky people in weed and then when the money came into weed Right, so here's the here's the point I wanted to make when the money came into weed The vast majority of the like slightly invisible suspicious weed people sort of hid And took like a waiting wait and see kind of attitude towards what was going on Yeah, right which meant like all the super social hustler bullshitty type people They all ran to the capital first because that's what they wanted was money Yeah money and rap and all this different stuff and and all of a sudden there was like minor weed celebrities You know and this and that and everything else and so as a result like a lot All the people that all the money partnered with first Weren't like the deep breeders and the people pulling off real shit and the and the people that grew exceptional flower and all that It was like all the people that were like You know that they were socially, you know, they just ran towards it. They're from cities They were connected.  They had never parked for a long time They didn't understand all that different stuff. And so they sort of learned on the rich people's dime Yeah, you know what? And honestly like if if someone would have came to me and said, hey, you know what? I know you've been doing this x amount of time.   It's not the same thing at all.   It was one of the first times I've ever seen that So yeah, I actually learned all that 20 years ago Um, it's it's because it's actually like it fit what I was it's hydro But with fish. Yeah kind of but it's organic. We you know, so it's like if you get it right. It's pretty neat You know, it's very hard to find really Quality like exceptional quality cannabis grown aquaponically because it's so hard with the inputs you give the fish What you want them to output, you know what? I mean like it's hard to get quality quality Yeah, I mean it was it was just never the most efficient thing for almost anyone no matter who you were So as a result it wasn't it was you know, it's not like you had a thriving fish business that you sold Tilapia and you sold cannabis like it just didn't really mix Yeah, but it's a cool like closed loop method in a way Yeah, you know, that's for sure I admire it. It's hard. It's hard stuff. You have to be fastidious and and very attention detail or it did or you know, I mean I'll say something too like about craft like even say 20 years ago or 25 years ago Like in the when a lot of people were growing like generator scenes in the woods around here, right? Yeah Most of the people that worked there that were growing at 100 or 200 lighters Almost all of them bought their head stash from people that had four to 10 lights Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it was just nicer Yeah, I mean even 10,000 square feet is kind of a lot of weed Yeah You know, so like where is where is craft?  So it's not just about like growing it It's like all the way to the end. Can you manage that whole thing? Yeah at scale, you know So, I don't know Yeah It it's interesting on that regard where where is craft, you know, where's craft What's a craft size indoor? What's a craft size greenhouse? What's a craft size outdoor? That'd be a curious thing to pose to the community Is is someone just typed in there? Do you know kin blah blah blah? Isn't that kendo? I don't know blah blah. I don't know. Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure that that's kendo.  You know kendo, right? I don't know if I know kendo Yeah, kendo is funny.  That anyway just to close on that That's what's cool about craft is that everybody agrees that there is fire and craft and really Really excellent weed just no one agrees what that exactly is So it allows everyone to fight over it and claim it Sure, and now there's huge ass scenes growing straight mids claiming craft because it's just marketing Yeah, it means it's losing its its value in name like calling something craft is going to lose its value like calling something gait You know or kind it happens in any kind of thing. It's like people want to attach their not quality onto quality Yeah Is really what it comes down to So we're gonna have we're gonna have some guests coming up, but it didn't pop for this week.  Yeah, right and what happened is You know with the purple wave and then the sour wave and the kush wave and then the skittles and cookies and all that Is that every huge wave came along and instead of a whole bunch of different people growing All these things lots of people started growing similar families of stuff Because that's what sold well and a lot of those other things sort of went by the wayside So there's this enormous amount of cuttings from like I don't want to say matt nice childhood, but like You know a younger time a younger time in cannabis or whatever that like a lot of which have fallen by the wayside And some which are still around but a lot of which were super famous at the time Because it hadn't had to be so monocrop Yep, right and so when I did when monocrop didn't happen Before monocrop became a thing This is what we all grew Yeah, so that this is part two of that What we grew before monocropping. Yeah pretty much is pretty much it right So that the cannibalic clonelist only covered so many, you know, like it's it was pretty comprehensive, but it wasn't All-encompassing there was a lot that was not on there. So I added a bunch I also I don't know if I know not so you hadn't seen these before or didn't have them or Whatever, uh, these are the old strain books from green candy press my dad my buddy jack um release these a while ago and it has It's pretty much that era of 2006 to 2012 Breeders seed makers of all sorts.  There's excellent shit in here There's everything in between good info bad info But it's a good resource for knowing what was at least being talked about and grown around these times They did the cannabis indica volume one through three and then they did the um The cannabis sativa volume One through three and these are on amazon still so grab them while they're still around It's a great question for coming hard and fast.  Yeah, and we've mentioned this but you know When the white family hit in the mid 90s, it was like a tidal wave in cannabis It became the biggest one of the biggest most popular cuts and lines In weed for about five to eight years perhaps. Yeah, and so as a result it got crossed with almost everything else good Right and It is there everything white is in this era that we're talking about all the great white shark and white widow and white rhino and blue widow and All the innumerous things because that was one of the first strains that like lots of people got and then we're like I'm gonna cross it to everything cool I have Yeah So white russian, uh, you know, there's a bunch of the white family. It was like an og kush Of its day. Yeah where people got it and it was like the thing you know, yeah, so That's it. It's definitely and it still percolates around here and there. It's probably in more things than people realize Yeah, because the names just got changed you know so But we're gonna kind of do this thing with uh with matt where he's got a big Fucking list and we're gonna rapid fire off some stuff and do some off the head what we think about it what we remember experiences and so forth Okay, he's got the list so I don't know what's coming but we'll see Yeah, one second I was gonna invite archive on but he's uh hitting the airplane. Um Yeah, so some of these on this list some of them like I may have no knowledge about it and Not so might not either but I don't know because because it was something going around at the time So at least we can kind of acknowledge it. I mean, there's there's so many that didn't end up on this list that I mean there might be a Part three part four part 30. It can grow. Yeah It's just a framework to to riff off of for the most part about history and strains of old and their impact So I also didn't choose specific seed lines unless They had a clone in it that was well known. So there's a lot of seed lines in here like white rhino were Like in the u.s. I don't remember a specific white rhino clone going around There wasn't there wasn't an elite that like at least that made it onto the national like forum and like traded scene Yeah Okay, so last week we left off with matt newscott valley Thunderfuck and we did indeed and right after that comes oji kush Oji kush So one of the things I was thinking when recovering oji kush We could just do a quick rundown of some of the oji clones that were some of the more early clones that were named Okay, um fire moth So as far as I know, uh, I'll start with four and matt can riff off that if he wants There's obviously whatever you want to call the oji kush that uh, uh, matt bubba and josh brought west to la There's that that started the whole la thing. Yeah, um, you know, there's the tk Yep, right There's uh an old one called the master that's not a bubba Oji that i'm not sure where it came from and there's supposedly the you know the flow rider Okay, um, and then from there from a bunch of bagged seeds and everything else that exploded into You know, uh, and there's debate on that too. So like, you know, if I left off some important thing or whatever don't get all pissy It's like a hugely convoluted family with a lot of weird origins Okay, um, yeah, we have early on let me see sv uh, larry um, we have topo We have the solo assassin one through three. We have um, sorry. I have to close my eyes to to see it Sorry, uh, this almost has one through three. We have um, we have the face offs I can't remember how many there were the face offs archive can say Then of course the 92 which who knows when that's from the there's a whole like pure kush family Yeah, there's one as far as I know, there's one pure kush and then everything else people call pure kush Which was a og cut. Um, what were some of the other ones? Uh, louis, of course, um Um There there were like private reserve og the weird ones that that could have been anything the platinum og skywalker og was early fire og Thank you. Uh, Paris Paris for me was later. I don't know that came later. There is uh, the f cut Uh, yeah, so there's an aspect where you could literally walk into a club in la in 2009 or something or eight And it would be like 25 listed og's from different people Yeah, like it took over southern california and and as a result of that some of those are probably renamed Some of those are probably bag seeds, you know, there was like I mean it was literally went from like We don't even know how many cuts and if there were sisters to each other It does seem a few different kushy things came out of florida via different people Yeah, and hit california and spread from there Yeah, and then it exploded into its own family, but it's like a whole episode in itself so if we want to keep to like the The timeline or whatever of uh reading off more plants. We could probably talk about og for an hour Yeah, those are the ones like and and there were other ones, but uh, the people are named But those were most of the early ones, you know, I hear people constantly saying oh, we got that diamond og You know that old shit and I'm like no There was like a very small list of the og's that were going around and then everything after that was Shot off after that like you know the planetary og's that people mentioned were later renamed some stuff But it was during this time the planetary og's were going around um p91 p91 Um, I'll let matt talk about this one much more than me. It's his it's his wheelhouse It's an old san diego strain. There's a lot of different stories behind it a lot of different claims to who has made it Everything from saying it was like the g13 story strapped to a berkeley story um Yeah, there's all kinds of crazy crazy different things that could be I think it's some kind of like I could see silver pearl super scunks uh some kind of afghani these are some things um But yeah, it's a what most people would consider a classic old indica predating the og craze in silkow It was one of the big ones like bull rider and all the others Yeah, it's it's it's got his name p91 either from poe class of 91 or peanut 91 We don't know there's just endless arguments, but it does have a weird nutty Tert profile, uh nutty kind of accurate It's weird man. It's weird. It's a good cut though That's it. Um, yeah, so next Next we got pez. I don't know pez very well pez You know, uh, csi has it. Yes, it's a northern lights type plant It's one of it's one of those ones where you get frustrated because you wish that Is it five by two? Is it nl skunk one? Is it this that whatever but it got renamed, but it looks like a classic 90s nl Yeah, you know in that like it's bright green and has those nice hairs that like you know It just looks like a classic bag of 90s hydro to me All right, um, here's one. That's your wheelhouse perps perps Maybe talk about your perps and other perps um, you know, uh Yeah, perps is just I mean perps has been with us forever. I think in a way There's a lot of plants up in my neck of the woods that Turn purple with fall But then sort of the ones that like everybody is kind of familiar with Um, you know, is the mendopee and then all the stuff that got famous in the purple cruise Yeah, uh, the urkel the grape ape we chatted about that a bunch and I mentioned Most of the story of the mendopee, but I believe it's it's from the late 70s Grown in mendicino county and put in this dude's closet for a couple decades until I got it in the late 90s Yeah, um, and I have no idea what it is except for he remembered where he grew it because he said it was the only purple Weedy ever grew and it was grown in covalo in the late 70s Uh, and I tend to believe him just because it tests like very within the range of most 70s cannabis Yeah, uh, and you you breed with it and it's got just an enormously wide gene pool So I remember I had something I wanted to ask you I thought about it earlier today with the perps so When you talk when you told the story you were talking about how he gave you some seeds in a bag of weed And the seeds he gave you were from the 70s, but when you brought it back He said, oh, that's that purple one. Do you think it was from the same era as the so the thing is is that He thought he was giving me different seeds Yeah, and I can't even remember what it was supposed to be Um, and there was and like I said, I only there was only two of them that popped one male and one girl The boy died and when I got this weed it was so royal purple and smelled so crazy Yeah, I didn't know what it was so I brought it to him and I said this doesn't look like You know what it was supposed to be and the only reason why I know the year is because he said That's the only purple weed I ever grew And I grew it here And so that's really that's really all I know. He didn't know jack. He just said it was You know, they were playing around with with like afghans and stuff that wasn't sativa that was faster We're starting to mix that in you know or whatever Yeah, and so they were trying stuff and he said he grew it one year. That's it.  Yeah, that's okay. So he the year applied to the the purse not the other So I got it and so I got it and yeah I got he didn't he didn't tell me a year Until and he said the only reason why he even remembered that year is because it was the only time He grew weed that was purple like that got it, you know, so Um, so he remembered the year later when I actually showed him flour Yeah And you know, uh, csi's bread with it a bunch. I have other people have it. It's obviously it's it's super super terpy low thc And super wide band as far as diversity. Yeah, there's a lot in that Yeah, you know, so it could be and when I got it in 1998 So at the time those seeds were 21 years old 22 years old.  It's killing me. All right. Yeah All right, so, um Purple I was going to do purple indica, but since flesh is getting on a plane I don't want to cover purple indica. I've never grown pure purple indica So I can't really comment on it. Um, but you can see our last interview with archive and we covered purple indica pretty well there So it's it's a good, uh Call back to that episode which is available On youtube and spotify on all that purple purple Per the urk What was your first experience with the urk? When's the first time you saw it and smoked it and your your feelings on it? Uh, probably 2003 2000 2003 Okay, for sure easily 2003 Um, it started getting passed around Mendo as uh, you know the thing to grow Yeah, it was super slow growing, uh, but there was a huge demand for it. Yeah, you know I still think there's a fairly mysterious origin of it or whatever Uh, and uh, you know, yeah So it's one of the few strains that has gotten that famous That we don't know like a crew that came out with it Yeah, we only have like some certain claims that are Not nobody's sure Nobody's really there's some claims to it, but nobody's really sure Um, and you know the lavender and which I think later got attributed to soma But i'm not sure if it it the one that got famous is yeah, yeah Um, but the lavender and the urk came at the same time Yeah, you know and my buddy that gave me the tango. Um, he got the lavender from McKinleyville humble Uh in humble and I had gotten the urkel from a source in Mendo and we showed each other flour and they were pretty similar Yeah, they weren't exactly the same But like we got the cuts those two cuts within six months of each other I remember my first experience with urkel was something similar And I saw a cut of lavender around the same time and they were obviously related the the urkel cut in the lavender cut To me were obviously related. So from that point on I always assumed that urkel must have come from the lavender Seedline, you know, because I saw the clone that must be real lavender But I don't know if if that was just like an urkel bag seed reigning just being sold as lavender because lavender was pop popular Um, yeah, my so my opinion is that the original urkel and the original lavender were were somewhat closely related Uh, and they popped up on the scene and up here in the basically at the exact same time But then soma has a line that he sold for years named lavender Yes, and so anybody that pops seeds of that would obviously call it lavender And so there's different lavenders that float around There's also Someone from oregon that claims they made that lavender and can't remember his name off the top of my head But claims he made it and that soma hijacked it from him and the guy was known for making other stuff too So it wasn't like a just a random bold claim. It was it was something that might have married. It's very interesting Yeah, and then it's so it's like one of those things where um, I just think that Like the urkel is a little easier because there was one urk And you know, and then the lavender it's like there was the cut that I remember and then there was Soma selling thousands of seeds of something called lavender. Yeah And so a lot of people think that the lavender is soma's Yeah, a lot of people apparently think it's uh mad farters too, but that's uh, we that's been Tantamount, I mean it's been disproven. It's been smashed the pieces The first lavender I saw was before soma had was selling seeds of it. So yeah, um, I don't I don't think you know Yeah All right, um, so someone mentioned this in here and I think it's it's a great one to bring up Do you have experience with permafrost? Permafrost Yeah, I actually don't but I do think that that and like coral reef or something are two things that homey archive Has been hunting for Yeah, and I do remember permafrost from Smoking it from some of those uh ron parties in the early 2000s But I never grew it myself.  I never got to grow it like that It was potent. It had a nice flavor. It was super frosty I just remember it looking like snow a little bit in my head Well, you cross white widow. I mean train wreck and white widow are both pretty christly things Yeah, in that era or whatever. So it had that you know, I don't know it it was pretty All right, um, let's see purple effects purple effects purple effects was Made by me if you can consider accidents made by someone Totally So I had I had this strain called effects, which was a garlic bud um that uh tim blake one of tim blake's main workers gave to me in the late 90s and um You know and so I uh I had this room going of a bunch of different stuff And it was summer and an air conditioner died and it got hot for a couple days until we repaired it And the Mendo P as it can sometimes do Um, it hermed all over the purple effect all of the effects, right? So I ended up with these two effects plants that had hundreds of Mendo P seeds Yeah, right And out of that those seeds came what we called the purple effects. Yes. Uh, it's in the cannibal Uh, a couple of them. I think I don't know. We grew it.  Uh, the the terpogs used it in rosé and then sprite and some stuff like that It's been floating around Laytonville.  So You know and it came out. So so yeah, that's that's the purple effects Yeah, that's one of those like I don't know if it's necessarily a myth because it is true that if something herms It has that trait it may pass it on to the progeny But it also might not and also might not be triggered by something that normally would trick trigger stuff So it you know that was one of those things for sure that I always heard is oh, you better not pop Don't make with the herm. You're gonna get herms. Yeah, somebody asked how did the accident happen? The Mendo P Herms Right, and if she undergoes environmental stress It often makes her throw bananas. Yeah So, uh, like I said, it was summertime the ac broke it got hot for a couple of days until we could get the ac repaired Um, and she threw some bananas and just happened to pollinate the plants that were right next to her on the tray Whenever you're mad you often throw bananas too. It's really weird, you know, so yeah, so that was that was the purple effects It floated around. It's any number of different things. It's really it's really terpy Uh, and it's pretty potent All right, um since you start I mean this is one of those where there's pretty much one Main clone going around that a lot of people had or at least one expression that Commonly popped up enough to be passed around as multiple clones. Maybe Did you ever grow any sensei star? I grew it for a little bit and to be perfectly honest, uh, I got rid of it um And uh, I didn't I just thought of it as kind of a boring afghan I thought one of our friends is so mad at you right now I know I know that doesn't mean that I grew the one, you know, but that's true Later on later on one version at least became pretty famous um And uh luke is one of the people from he's paradise seeds He's refused to give any lineage or any information about it It wasn't offered for all that that long. I don't think Yeah, it was not his regular seeds, but his feminized seeds. I don't think he's ever stopped offering it You don't think he's ever stopped offering it as femme.  I'm only doing femme from now on as I understand it. Wow. So Yeah, and uh, it it gets claimed to be so it's it's it seems to be a pretty good breeder There's a cut that floats around I mean, there's a there's another cut that floats around that was called Uh, since he star but is actually like a nirvana four way something something Oh, wow. I could see that kind of translating a little bit and confusing people though.   It's the bees knees. Yeah um I think we just recently did snow, but you can cover it again real quick just to plug it in here We did uh snow got famous in organ Yep, it was called it was often called organ snow or Eugene snow even It made its way down to humble and got called humble snow Yeah, uh, it was cropped by a bunch of people CSI used to run it from the he's had a cut of it since the late 90s Um, and it was brought out from florida Um by a couple people I know and it was called skunk five in florida. Yeah And it's a low turps super frosty afghan that occasionally can be absolutely delicious and at other times can be a little bland Yeah, uh, but it's super potent. It's a great breeder It seems anything you cross it to makes nice plants and it's like it's heirloom Yeah It's pretty purple, isn't it like pretty I can purple up pretty good. I can get purple up at the end. Sure. Yeah. Yeah Okay We've done whole episodes on sour, but it might as well Go ahead. I mean the the cool part I guess about sour is that more people in the sour family are starting to speak up Recently. Yeah that were involved. Um, you know vando swell mani, you know people that really hadn't Spoken up very much and so they've confirmed some things Um, you know sour sour came according to them came from diesel too, which they called headband So the first headband was a very sour type Um, skunk type plant That they found some seeds in Yeah, and they called it our diesel and that led to sour diesel You know, it's been it's been covered and that is and that was something that you know The headband story and the confusion around that A lot of tales spawned around it with people claiming they had the real new york city headband They had the real this you take a famous story that's light on detail And you're gonna get people to fill in detail Sure Right sure will and so with mani and some of those other guys coming out and telling their side of the story We actually have some stuff that used to be just a version of the story. Yeah be kind of become the story Yep, so that's cool And and someone's asking about the original new york city diesel. That's exactly what we just talked about Yeah, and there's no there's a further complication and that and that diesel was slang for fire weed in new york city back then Yes, which is why they called the bag our diesel when they gave it to homie Because they wanted to differentiate it from all the other diesel coming around and there's another cut named original diesel Which may or may not be the cut matt has but there's a different guy that has it That's just the first diesel that he got in vermont and he stuck that label on it, you know, so Um Anyway, yeah, uh, and jeezal was called jeezal because it was jeez diesel. Yeah, uh, one of the people in the kim crew The cock diesel. Yes the cock diesel for another great name that not so calls it. Um, the cock So there's all so yeah, it's it's it's one of those things where it could be an entire episode and we're trying to condense it But and we've talked about it before so yeah, we have a full episode about it. Um Shoreline did you ever get to try any of the recent shoreline from our crew? I did not no Uh, I'm not in the secrets secret cool club, but apparently not so I will let I will let matt describe the shoreline so I I got to try outdoor versions and indoor versions and Um, the indoor was like hot garbage very well done I don't think it would it reminds me a lot of lemon g in the way the bud is formed In that it's not as pretty as modern weed that people would love but it is very it's resinous and it's it's not airy airy, but it's not super dense like Like cookies or any of those kinds.   There's a little bit of turpinoline somewhere in the background.  It was the closest thing to cat piss smelling that actually smelled like urine So what's funny about weed Is that there are aromas and weed that are uh, Are strangely attractive Yeah, that would be horrific in any other context. Yep Um, you know, palatosis. Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean some people like in the chem D to a dead body You know things of that and the things that would be universally gross Yeah, you know End up in weed because that description is sounds horrible to be honest Yeah, I mean it's not horrible. We have a bunch of friends that love it. It's good weed I'm not dissing it, but I just mean that like when matt was speaking about it Yeah, you know, it doesn't sound appealing.  I like the high too. We had a very good high I wouldn't say it's wickedly potent. It's not bad. It's not bad at all. It can hold the tone Yeah, I mean, you know me at the uh, good highs are our base one Yeah, that's the most important thing So what's next strawberry cough Strawberry cough Um, I like the cough quite a bit Uh, the strawberry cough. I think grown what grown, especially organically. It's a really nice tasting Up energetic buzz. Yeah Um, I don't know how much I believe about the story I don't believe it. You know, I think the story is pretty suspect. I think the person that tells it is pretty suspect Uh, hi kyle Uh, you know, but it is but it's a great cut. Yeah, it is a good cut I don't I don't believe much about the story, but I I I like the weed quite a bit I've worked a lot with uh, the herb beer line, which is a swiss strawberry sativa And I've worked a lot with strawberry cough Expressions in the strawberry cream that was from a strawberry cough s1 I was positive absolutely positive that That expression is just an herb beer expression, which is a super strawberry Resonance not necessarily on the mega potent, but it's not terrible very dense Um This the the old herb beer and strawberry cough are damn near identical I mean it could be a hybrid of it of some sort I don't even know if the years match up, but god damn if they're not identical in every way So who knows who knows I would agree with that assessment. I think at its best it tastes really nice It has a good uplifting high It's not overpowering and doesn't have any paranoia and it's not knock you down strong, but it's not weak either Yeah, it works. It works pretty well. It burns nice when done. Well, you know, it's a pretty nice little plant. Yeah um trainwreck trainwreck trainwreck to me is uh Is famous for a couple reasons one it was one of the first named clones That got passed around In humble and mendo as a named clone Yeah, like I think kaleb would even say it's probably one of the first things that he got Yes, like that was that had a name to it. It wasn't just like seed lines or whatever, right? And it yielded big and it was frosty and it looked good um, and it uh, so it got grown a ton And it uh, you know, it was strong terpenaline So it was a lot of people's first experience with a terpenaline bomb type strain Yeah, and it had its moment in the sun and now there's a bunch of debate about the real one or the fake ones We have a good friend of ours We have several good friends of ours actually that that do work with with trainwrecks Um, and they're a cool plant You know it flowers actually pretty fast outside Yeah, for all of its sativa characteristics and all that Um, it actually because I think it triggers quick. Yeah Like is what happens? I love trainwreck. I love the high from it The resin production it does breed dominant for those the the heavy terpenaline turps But I love the high from it for me. It's all anti anxiety.  So go check them out Yeah, and it was it was it was nice buds that got thrown on a big sativa frame Yep, a lot of people will get two pounds of light growing it Uh, so it became popular You know, I I see it coming back and and it's going to come back strong. I think in hybrids. I think I think on its own it's very novel for the first, you know, if it's new to you it's novel and cool and different Um, if if you've grown a lot of jack and a lot of durban a lot of terpenaline stuff It may not be as cool, but in the hybrids it fucking it shines it shines Yeah, and what's funny about it is in that era people called terpenaline trainwreck turps Yeah, and then that got dethroned by jack turps. It sure did Because jack came along and took the title Yeah away Um, and and trainwreck never didn't get talked about in that regard but in that era it was so strong terpenaline You would talk about trainwreck turp. Yeah trainwreck. It smells like trainwreck It smells like the wreck here's one that you have a lot more experience with especially the original and that's the trinity The trend Yeah, so it it is my introduction to the trend was basically Um, there's some people that know that are more tied into it than I was but It is one of these things where supposedly it came out of a bag seed that came from trinity county That was traded to a glass blower That was traded to a glass blower for some some pipes And they sprouted that seed in the Eugene glass blowing area seam, right? And it sort of started spreading around that little group Yep, you know, um, and it was kind of a dinosaur leaf plant Some people got skunk off it. Some people got burnt rubber. Some people got like a sweet pine It seemed to vary um, and it got really popular in Oregon and then Everyone lost it and it disappeared for a long time. Yeah Um, but it's a cool plant And and people are asking about the goat monkey one that's the same one that we have all gotten and grown in our Circle too and uh, I I don't I didn't have experience with the original trinity. So I don't know I couldn't say if it's real or not, but I know CSI and specta and and not so or Attempting to figure that out in some way shape or form by reaching out to the original dudes Yeah, I mean part of the part of the issue is too is that I have a bunch of friends that had it But then what is your 15 or 18 year old memory? Yeah, that's so that really does play into it when you haven't seen something in a super long time But you had it in 98 or 99. Can you absolutely guarantee? Yeah, you know, um, and most people that think it's not it Think it's like, uh, it's it's at the very least the hybrid Yeah Half my friends think it's it the other half and most of the people that aren't sure it's it is because they people can grow It's so nice now. Mm-hmm.   Yeah, that's impossible. It's it's a leafy shitty see-through type of strain. Yeah, so, you know The good part is is the one that's the one that's floating around right now Yeah, it's strong weed and people are often surprised when they smoke it how high they get Oh, yeah, regardless of yeah, it knocked Pip on his ass That's funny. It did it surprised them how stoned he got we didn't finish the joint When he was visiting one time So regardless of whether or not it's actually the real one the one that floats around is an excellent strain in my opinion Let's show I'll I'll clown on myself to show how different people grew at least me in 2006 Then now this is a picture of clockwork of me trying like it's vastly different There's no resin production on this thing. You know what I mean? A lot of people are growing like that going through these old books like that is just what we looked like back then nobody Yeah, there wasn't really a lot of self-assessment going on And I have you know, I have friends too that talk about that where you know, they grew in five gallon pots with plain water And all in soil amendments with metal halides in organ in a rudimentary 97, you know, you're 1997 setup Yeah You know and you know, you're obviously 25 years later. If you're still growing weed, you're probably better at it Yeah, that I was growing in 100 degree rooms like no like no issues. Just uh, okay um so I believe Oh, Williams wonder did did you grow the mlb or any of the Williams water cuts going around? I have grown Williams wonder Um, the one I like it.  Yeah, it's kind of it's not brown It's a little tannish maybe in kind of the way that it grows Yeah, like the the bud formation or whatever And there's still people in the pacific northwest or at least was five or six years ago that we're growing it selling it to old people Getting three pounds of light So it floats around Yeah, um and then you know Various breeders have used it because anything that has a tendency to throw donkey dick style buds They want to mix that into their seed lines. Oh sure, especially back then. Yeah, so you know, um But it's one of I think it's one of those old seed lines that like People get excited about and it would probably occasionally throw a really nice plant But it probably has a decent propensity of junk Yeah And if you want the truth, you know, a lot of those 80s and 90s varieties had some crazy elites in them But they might have like a 20 of it might be trash That's the way I feel like going back and looking at a lot of the different um 80s and 90s indicas that were being pushed out from Uh, Amsterdam the their afghanis the different afghani plans and stuff the hash plans and stuff There was a lot of uh Fuckin Just some of our stuff some part looking anyways, you know Cookies kind of changed the game as far as requiring what weed needs to look like Yeah, uh people were certainly willing to accept much uglier cannabis As long as it worked well. Yeah smoked good You know Okay, now we're going to enter the list of things that we've added in or What have you um, do you want to start with your list or mine? You go for yours. Okay Um first is going to be crystal chunk since it's fresh out of your memory crystal chunk This one could also be for a while So the crystal chunk I actually found out uh a little bit more about just this past couple weeks So how crystal chunk is important to me is that it was the first clone that my friend gave me Um to grow indoor with yeah in my one lighter Right. We all remember our first and so it yeah I grew the crystal chunk and then there was a number of people in chicago that grew the crystal chunk It made its way out to colorado It made its way to montana and there was various circles of people that grew it. It was uh Um, it was an nl of some kind. It was popped in 88 or 89 in carbondale, illinois Um, and it was a number of things these guys used to go to to nevel every year and buy seeds And then they would come back to carbondale, which is in far southern illinois It's a college town down there and they would blow up indoors And then in order to not get busted in their college town They would sell the weed in the huge city of chicago like four hours north Right and that and that kept them anonymous in their hometown Right and so that's the chunk the chunk is some kind of nl from nevel in 88 or 89 I don't know if it's still alive. I think not I have some friends that have hybrids in it Um, I brought it to california in 98 when I moved out here Um, I lost it in no three. I think maybe so But it's a cool one Super potent Low odor low low smell low taste. Do we know if that clone's still around? I don't My buddies that I just my buddies that I just went and visited said that it existed as late as 2013 Oh, wow, so it's still kicking around till then and there's see and they gave me some seeds of it Uh hybrids not pure, you know, not reverse. Yeah, but but but mixed with other shifts.  Yeah 100 percent. Yes other cool. I'm excited to hear about that sometime Uh deep chunk somebody just said finally hearing about crystal chunk first kind, but I experienced Oh interesting. That's good. I mean those guys down in carbondale.  They had more than that. Um, um, but that the chunk kind of got spread around a little bit And became pretty famous in those little circles Yeah, you know, uh Uh, did you say deep chunk deep chunk? Deep chunk is pretty famous in various ways. I would say Uh, it floated around mendicino. We were just talking about this yesterday It floated around mendicino, uh, because that's kind of where one of the places it was developed. Um As monkey balls Yes, and he knew death cabbage We all called it monkey balls back then because it was like golf ball size purplish super You know chunky Some were frosty And it was grown a lot on spy rock Uh, and so a lot of people I knew that grew grew it grew it out that way Then it became famous in another way because tom hill made it And he ended up becoming pretty famous on the forums Yes Uh, right and so he had he had a with vik high and other he became very he was sort of one of the big personalities For a long time on on the forums. I would say yeah Right, he was uh super intelligent super knowledgeable super cantankerous Yeah, uh, you know didn't have a lot of patience for idiocy Oh, we suffered no fools. No, he didn't have a lot of patience for idiocy and then it might actually be Uh It might actually be one of the only ibls out there Yeah, that's I noticed someone was saying that they just they've seen people taking it to f 13 on Selling and selling seeds of it like deep trunk was already as close to ibl as you're going to get if people keep taking that Inwards generations. I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve other than making more seed. Maybe um, but Eventually you're gonna separate from some heavy heavy inbred depression No matter what you do with it at that point. It was already It was already where it needed to be.  It's just one of those old-time hill strengths Yeah, um and the problem with purple chunk in my or you know deep chunk in my opinion Is that it is what it is? And it breeds very much like itself Yeah, and you're not going to be surprised Yeah Yeah, so if you like that and that's what you want to add in and you want to add in some of those qualities Um, you can't Yeah, um, I've seen very good Um seed lines of deep chunk. I know CSI inspector has some and KOS the rev has an amazing one but I've seen very very bad resinless just Terrible deep chunks which a resinless deep chunk is a disappointing thing. Yeah So it can you know on the right the right hybrid the right outcross It can pop. Yeah, and it can lend qualities to it that make it overall amazing Uh, and it can also just kind of be a very boring leafy Not fun high afghan. Yeah Someone asked it's a good question and and it'll be uh good to answer I think a lot of people probably don't understand this if plants get in breeding depression How do you get land races? So land races are constant Big populations wild populations and there is some inbreeding that goes on But because it's a wild diverse population It's always going to be a little bit diverse as it goes. You know, some do get inbreeding depression some and lots of land races are just pure Like cvd heavy low thc, you know herm Machines and that's just what cannabis wants to be another another way to describe the scale of it is that um When we talk about inbreeding depression mostly we're talking about small indoor Greenhouse style selections with maybe, you know, like, you know, anywhere from one to a few males perhaps And you know a certain amount of females where what matt was describing If you're in mexico or Thailand or whatever is fields of weed. Yes with thousands of brothers and sisters Right yeah, and that's where the seeded comes from and so as a result of that You're going to get like a much wider population. It's when we start messing with them in much smaller non-field size environments Yeah, that you can get inbred pretty quick Oh, yeah Somebody was asking if we can speak on tom hill's haze Yeah, I mean, there's not a clone that goes around to that. So, um, but yeah, it's a it's a famous strain of his Um, if it was Pretty notorious for the fact that like dove would tell people, you know, you need a good 10 packs to find a keeper It's just is what it is on that. Um, it was from positronics Um, there haze 19 is is from sam's haze if I remember correctly. Yeah So, yeah, he positronics is one of the three people besides sam that sam gave haze to when he went to Um, Amsterdam. Yeah, he gave it to nevel He gave it to corral from super sativa seed club and he gave it to posi Yeah, and he actually worked at posi for a bit As far as like just helping making breeding selections and things of that nature. So tom hill's haze is from Um, the haze that sam gave to posi Yeah And it's I saw a lot of hay Hay Would be a great name for it because it's very hay and charity and lots of hay Lots of carrot hay But I did see some really beautiful, um Uh examples of it from hazy lady over on mr. Nice, and I'm not sure she deleted her account after keyplay adapter, but Um, there there's pictures might still be up there And if you want to see a beautiful haze look for hazy ladies H a z y l a d y her, uh grow tom hill's haze There's an aspect too where like even when even when like the flying dutchman or whatever was selling sam's haze Yeah, his oh haze or whatever, you know They even said that like only 10 of them are going to be You kind of have to hunt a lot and there's a lot of junk in that haze And the problem with haze is that since most of it goes 16 to 24 weeks You know searching for the needle in a haystack and having the space to run 100 of them Yeah, and then smoke test them and figure out which one or two are the ones that are good and the rest are mostly bunk Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, it's time consuming and jungle weed and a lot of space Okay, uh silver pearl did you get to try uh pips kind of silver pearl? Oh, yeah And what do you think it reminded me of the silver pearl I knew in the 90s Um in the sense that uh, this is going to sound gross again But it has this like there's this thing when babies are first born And all they drink is milk and they're getting a lot of their moms like colostrum or whatever Yeah, and baby poo kind of has this like sweet Like it's it's just it's not really all that gross Yeah, right and then they start eating real different foods and it's like then it's just shit You know, but yeah, but the silver pearl has this kind of like sweet young young baby poo type smells Um, and I smelled that in his cut That is so wild. I got picked out like bubble gummy, but not pink bubble gum like some kind of sweet and then Not skunky, but somewhere along that direction. It's so hard to describe, but it's one of my favorite smells I mean the other thing is that like, you know, I had kids and you didn't so There's a point when you have aromas that what reminds you of what Yes, like we talk about how there's no skunks in europe. You have to be actually exposed To the smell to have smelling something else trigger that memory. Yes.   It is so frosty, but it is so leafy It's leafy and very frosty and you know back then especially like most things were most things that were getting released were f ones Yeah, and so that was that was sort of in the first wave of polyhybrids of different crosses He'd made and then combining those into into different things. Yeah So that's silver pearl. It's a cool old. It's a cool old line from Both the seed bank in the 80s from neville and from the years of senses.  Yeah, and greenhouse sort of reconstituted their seed company, right? That was one of the that was the thing that came out after that, right? Yeah For the most part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And so I'm sort of super silver haze And and so there's an aspect where there's this is highly disputed So no one take this the wrong way But if you listen to neville and and shanti they claim that after neville's experience at sensey Um, they didn't want to give arjun all the clones and seeds and and all that Um, so they controlled all that and they just gave greenhouse flower and seed for sale Yeah So when they left to do their own thing arjun had probably the most famous at the time between him and sensey He had the most famous award-winning uh seed bank And he is his breeders left. Yeah And so he brought on franco and rumor is is that he bought 20 or 30 thousand euros worth of his own seed stock Yeah And they started breeding and doing various things trying to come up with Seed for their seed company. Yeah And I think that's where like arjun's haze one through five and amnesia haze and You know lemon this and all that started happening.  It's uh, it's uh, almost fruity floral That's the best way I could describe it. It's repenting, but it's it's nice. It's resinous. It's potent I see why it was passed around for so long. It's consistently a great haze. I think I like I like haze So, you know, it's good. Um, did you ever run any blue cheese? Yeah, yeah, did you have a cut you liked or they passed around? Um, so when we were chatting about those those ronds parties and where a lot of us were gathering in those years Um, there was a lot of cool things crossed to the blue family And while uh, I didn't really like a lot of the straight blue stuff Yeah, a lot of the outcrosses were really good Yeah, um and blue cheese. There was blue widow blue cheese Um, blue rhino blue rhino. There was a bunch of different blue hybrids outcrosses That I actually preferred that the straight blue lines.  I mean it was like, you know, there was there was people that had crosses and there was f2s Yeah, so Did you ever have any experience with it?  I did not want anything to do with cheese in the first place. It was everywhere It was a British thing.   That's why it's been a breeder standard for decades Here's one that's a little self-serving, but it was so huge in san diego that Um, I think it was pretty huge everywhere. Actually, uh, bubble berry Bubble berry. Yeah Yeah, did you have any of those cuts up there? Yeah, we had some bubble berry Uh, I believe it was it was first offered by sag martha Yeah, I think right. Yep. Yep. That was a towing string Um, you know dj short sent a bunch of blue family seeds to sag martha for them to retail them through their their business And tony crossed some blue work You know to some bubble gum Yep, and the bubble berry was born and the and the bubble gum is famously mold resistant And uh throws a very consistent type afghan Beautiful plant. Yeah, and the bulb the blueberry added turps and color And some frost and some attractiveness and some other weird stuff And so there was a good cut that floated around that everybody kind of loved. Yeah Yeah, you know it was it was well loved in san diego too It was one of my favorite strains the the the bigly chew pink bubble gum with heavy heavy like blueberry jam it's insane and and What's funny is I look at the old pictures of bubble berry from tony back in the day and he obviously used The same line of bubble gum that we used however It wasn't the same clone and and the blue mill we used was blue bonnet and they used a blueberry mill which similar lines however They look uncannily similar when crossed and I it might be because bubble gum breeds so true, you know like But it looks damn similar even all these years separated different parentage, but similar similar lineage Uh, they it is it's a cool-looking plant and it's very consistent when crossed even even in the same family Yeah, and it's it there's cool pictures of it from olden times from the 90s matt Various breeders have done work with it. Yep. Um, you did work with it Um bog did stuff with it, right? You know, um bog bubble. Yeah, wasn't that based on it? In a way Yeah, I he was that was uh bubble gum. I don't think it was bubble berry. You don't think it was bubble berry No, it was bubble gum. Yeah, bubble gum or something. Yeah Anyway, it was it was it was a cool line It's it's a good example of how When two things that are very different from each other come together for the first time. Yeah You can pop some cool plants. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, people are still talking about blue rhino blue this blue that blue the blue outcrosses I'll say this too. There was a very limited number of people Outside the amsterdam seed banks in the late 90s and early 2000s that got famous on the forum And there were certain forums of watching of some blueberry grows Yeah, got everybody hyped on blueberry. Yep. And so people started getting blueberry and since it was obviously reg seeds They started crossing it to other lines And that's when all those cool hybrids came out. So like in the early 2000s Blue and blue and white hybrids what the white widow family and the blue family They were crossed to all kinds of things including each other. Yep All right, um, um, Maui wowie This is kind of a weird one because it's one of those ones where I a lot of people don't see the same Maui. Wowie twice I think Maui. Wowie is a lot like the alaskan thunderfuck or krippy or diesel or you know fire Yeah, you know, it was probably it was probably a sativa afghan grown on Maui Yeah, um, and it rhymes And that makes it easy to sell and so it was probably applied to a bunch of different types of Hawaiian weed Yeah, I think that's probably the most accurate thing to say about it. Yeah, I think that's that's that's fair How about lamb's bread or lamb's breath? or Whatever, you know, I don't have any personal experience with that one But it was supposed to be a wild sativa like 20 25 weeks. Yeah, it came out of Jamaica. Yep And it was supposed to be pretty famous. It was before Jamaica got inundated with uh, European uh weed strains and started growing mostly Dutch shit Yep um And as a result of that, it's a little bit before my time And I don't even know that I ever saw one that I believe was true This is the only one that I remember seeing and I'm like, okay, that makes sense for a long flowering indian sativa type This was the pictures from Jason king and the cannibal when he went to Jamaica Had to pay them fucking a shitload of money to take pictures of their crops Yeah, I mean, I'll say the more probably, you know the the the expression on that one I could see that thing taking 24 weeks. Yeah, easily easily. Yeah That thing's uh, uh, uh, a calyxie mess Okay, um Let's move on to Malawi. I know there are certain clones of Malawi past up in My whole thing Certain clones of Malawi passed around up in Humboldt, right? Yeah in North Cal. I should say. Um, I had a Malawi Uh, that its biggest issue was that it it never wanted to finish for me. Yeah, uh, which is not a convenient trait You know and uh You know Malawi is one of those things where there's a lot africa is probably The continent with the most weed that we have the least amount of its genetics That like fresh genetics over here. Yeah It seems like there was an initial seeding during like the slave trade era When there was an enormous amount of ships coming from africa to the caribbean and stuff like that So a lot of like maybe mexican and caribbean weed ancient origins tited there Um, but you talk about the congo and the malawi and the this and that and everything else and Um, you know, maybe durban is the most common thing that we have from africa Swazzy and durban There's this there's stuff that rolled all that a lot of that african weed rolls right through the equatorial region Yeah, which means that it takes forever, which means that it's a ginormous pain in the ass For anyone in america unless it's crossed to Something afghan that makes it Yep, and by manageable. We usually mean like 12 or 14 or 15 weeks or something There's a red congolese that's pretty tightly held by some people that they love Yeah, that's that's kind of like that.  You don't live in the tropics Yeah, super hard to get those to flower under Like reasonable times indoors too. Yeah, you know you have like a 24 week something and it's like unless you start light depping it in june.  Yeah It's hard a pillow let's just say Let's let's call this the uh, the the brothers grim when I see brothers grim. I mean sly and it with Uh, some assistance from soul in marketing Let me throw in one more thing here as we chat about this stuff There's tons of cool comments and various questions popping up But at the rate we're talking about stuff. There's no chance. I have to answer even most of them. So I apologize. Yeah Yeah, I mean we're going through a like, uh Categorized list this time. So it's really hard to answer Questions at rapid fire, you know, so but if they're important to you remember them and you can hit me up A bottom later.   There's another one. Oh genius genius Which leads to the apollo 13s the the special cuts of that the apollo 11s All that good stuff all that good stuff c99 pineapple Um, what what which of those do you have experience with? So this this this ties into a bunch of stuff. I already said but um, I would say that just like dj Um, the original brothers grim crew Came out at a time when there wasn't very many non dutch readers doing things publicly So a lot of their work got heavily spread amongst the community Yeah, especially the early forum community. Yeah, just like dj short. I just said became famous Uh, brothers grim became pretty famous.  So again when I was going to those parties Uh of ronds Um, a lot of the things that were the stuff that was the most common to be crossed with Was the blue family the white family Um Breeder steve's work and a lot of brothers grim Yeah, um, I loved the genius. I grew the I had the apollo and the genius in that era I got them from friends that I met through there. Yeah, they were both nice smoke.  But brothers was really famous Yeah in that era A lot of their stuff was getting passed around a lot of their straight clones That people found that got names and hybrids Yeah, I would say um, I I did a lot of work with apollo 13. That's the one I chose between the 11 and um The 13 I chose the 13 had a lot of really nice grape phenos come out of that There was some good lemon phenos that were more uh dense and afghani looking than the the grape super sativa purple looking pretty shit, but um Yeah, I maybe we should know that what we're talking about is the original Uh, um organization of brothers grim Yeah, I don't know anything about the second iteration of all the second one where where the sly wasn't involved and mr soul and And you know duke had something going on like that was I mean there was like a 15 year break or something where there was no seat Yeah So we're talking about the early late early 2000s first when they first got famous Yeah, not when they were reconstituted Uh decades later not when the marketing guy tried to put it back together put the team back together without the team Um, let's see. Let's skip through those. We did shoreline Here's one that that I I I have some interesting info on but I can't say who or where RFK skunk RFK skunk Yeah, you know, I don't know. I mean rfk skunk was uh supposedly um, you know skunk uh It's got a lot of things right so it's uh rfk is is where the uh, the washington redskins played Right, uh, the the grateful dead.  Um, they they was on the when they would do their summer tour RFK was was one of the big stadiums that they would always play in Yeah, um, you know and and all that and supposedly that rfk Uh came out of bud from rfk I'm beating myself up right now because I just realized that RFK is probably gonna pop up tomorrow in some lamers list of stuff that they're claiming to have but You know, and it it yeah, it got mixed. It's like so there's a there's a whole series of like mysterious east coast skunks from the same area. Some might be renames Right. Yep. Um, it's been rumored to be in a bunch of different things Um, but proof is love Yeah Perhaps yeah, um Yeah, we'll see we'll see one might be out there of this and it'd be growing and gonna see about it So I'm pretty stoked because it's one that there's very little info about out there as far as what it was like and blah blah blah Like I mentioned with the headband story before mani and those others cleared it up where there's very little info But it's still fairly famous It allows a lot of room for people to say Whatever they like about it. Yeah, because there's very little verifiable info So maybe that is the verifiable info. Yeah, you don't know, you know Um romulan Romulan is another one that uh Is weird in the sense that there's a lot of funky stories about it Um, and and they keep getting earlier and earlier. Yeah, um, what we know for sure is that it's canadian Um, you know, that's where it got famous and when It I believe it basically got first like nationally or internationally famous When the canadian seed companies Um started jumping into the seed game and there was a lot of hybrids crossed aranel Yeah, um, and there's some stories about that. It came from mendo and like and and this Mendojo and it was brought to british columbia It was this and this and it came back and made these crazy early years I don't know what you think of that matt but um um, I from everything that I've researched on it talking to people at bc and and Other parts of canada who around during that time and had interaction with those crews Mendocino joe was a hundred thousand percent not romell and joe Romulan was also not from the 40s. It sounds like it was from the fucking 90s And if I remember correctly, and I'm only I'm only repeating because I I'm not from canada, obviously Um, port alberney pine bud was one of its first names and there was another name something blue indica and then later on It was made popular in the 90s with the different name change, but yeah, it's not a there's no such thing as a 1940s afghani So it's one of those things when I hear it just makes my eyes cross And it's also it's also kind of kind of a cool thing in the sense that a lot of cannabis names Were very much tongue-in-cheek about like pop culture Yeah, and so romulan is actually, you know, obviously it's a race of aliens from star trek Yes You know, yeah, yeah, 1940s star trek Uh, so star trek. Yeah, so uh the romulan Did you ever have the grapefruit romulan or the gromulan? No No, yeah, it was it was okay. It was a weird one that went around sandiego a bunch and Like no matter what clones you were trying to chase, you'd always end up Right back at square one with gromulan. Um, how about just grapefruit? grapefruit, um, there was a uh You know, there's a there's a pretty famous feno of uh soma's diesel That had grapefruit flavor Yeah, and some people bred with it and Loved it a ton and it had really strong grapefruit terps Yeah, which is about as far from uh sour terps as you can imagine, but yes. Yes. Nonetheless, they really loved it Um, and that's the only like and that's the only real grapefruit. I have ever I've ever experienced There was a real popular. Um, well most phenos of c99 that are popped from seed come out very grapefruity To me it smells which weird is when people explain grapefruit and give me grapefruit bud like super grapefruity, huh?  It's weird. It's one of those things where I just smell it so much different. Yeah People are talking about all kinds of skunks and stuff like that and I'll say something real quick. I do think in the 90s skunk was a much more prevalent odor I do think it popped up in hybrids a lot more frequently um, but you know, uh Skunk bud tended to not be quite as potent as some other weed Uh, and it had really uh noticeable terps that got you in trouble Um, and so I think it just got selected away from too much Yeah, uh, and by various people and then as as clones changed and names changed people went to different stuff And everyone assumed that people would be holding it and now it seems like a lost terp Yeah You know and it's also possible it could be a little bit of a recessive term now Where it needs other genes from another partner to like make it pop Yeah, and they're buried double up double up Where in the 90s, maybe it was an easy double up And now 30 years later.  Yeah Because you've talked you've talked about I can't remember who made it but you were telling me What was the sour dub Fino? Yeah, it was uh, jeezal or sour dub cross to rehearse jeezal Sour dub by jeezal. So, you know, he mats cross jeezal to all kinds of things and one time there's one hybrid All of a sudden throws You know a much more Skunky shit Yeah, yeah, so I think that's probably where it'll pop back up again is will be it'll be a lucky recessive combo Yeah, I know probably maybe did a gmo jeezal But I thought would probably hold it pretty well or even a dgeezal or any of those things any any combination of the The like sour version of super skunk and the short swap version of super skunk to me seems to just kind of bring it out Quite well quite well. Yeah, I mean, I think if you start crossing I mean we've talked about that a bunch we start crossing different skunky things in large enough numbers And you'll find some stuff Yeah, you know, um, it's just not going to be cross to skunk one will take you farther away from your goal than closer Yeah, there's see a lot of people that have had sour dub Some people look to me like silly when I say sour dub you can grow up very fucking skunky if you know How to how to bring out skunkiness out of strains Um, but some people are just like, oh, I never never see it I don't know some people have had really loud sour dub and some people have it I'm never sure if it's the same clone or just way different grow styles I mean, there's definitely, uh, you know, my friend that I visited he grows a lot of living soil Yeah, and I definitely noticed like a pretty extreme sweetness To a lot of things, you know, so I definitely think, you know room temperature and feeding And you know type of feeding and stuff like that can certainly different plants can definitely bring out different aspects. Yeah So so one that was big around the forums during, um, overgrow era, I believe was jackie. Oh, did you ever see jackie? Oh It was a I believe jack flash feno cross the calio Indeed that was a naboo one if I remember correctly. It was pretty good. It was a good calio hybrid Did it taste like citrus or did it go beyond that? Oh, it was super citrus and super trapinoline Uh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, two extreme flavors combined in one. Yes Super citrus and super trapinoline So then we since we're bringing a calio bring up calio and the melton. Did you have any calio? I had calio, um You know, it was one of those things where Maybe the the funniest thing I could tell about calio is when tangy came out and got popular And people were lining up to buy tons of seeds from dna and tangy hybrids A lot of us up here in mendo were shocked because you know five or ten years before Trying to give away Pure citrus smelling pounds was a tough sell Yeah, it was that was there was a there was a limited limited market and you would get told no a lot Headache we A lot of the pure citrus stuff whether it was the lemon g or the calio or the this or that if it's just one note Um citrus turp A lot of people will get old on it fast So we were amazed when tangy came out to such It was like citrus had gotten so unpopular that it got it had a resurgence because no one had smoked it Yeah, because no one none of the brokers would buy it Yeah, and that's kind of how I looked at cheese too. Like when it started getting a big resurgence I was like, gee really? But I did it when I was down south. I did get to grow out a lot of calibs calio hybrids Yeah, and you can really see its satiba origins Popped through in various and various things, especially if you cross it to other things that like to stretch And uh, you know, I'm not exactly sure what it is, but it's one of those original clones That um, you know went over to uh, Amsterdam And it sounds like it came through, uh, rob park Oh, interesting You know, uh, he wrote about it. He wrote about it, uh in the first can of bible in that big interest, you know But it people get over people get over it because it's just It's oranges Yep Yeah, I'm not a fan. Um spirit of 76 Did you ever see that up there just in the can of bible? No, yeah Yeah, I see pinkleberry That looks pretty identical to it and that that's super specific pink pistol trait But that doesn't mean they're necessarily related But that was one I always wanted to see and I always wondered if it passed around, uh, NorCal back then the thing that I'll say about that and it has nothing to do with the spirit of 76 But it's that Growing a lot of the same strains over the years indoor versus outdoor Yeah, uh, there are strains that will give me magenta or hot pink or crazy colored You know those hues pistols outdoor Yeah, but we'll never ever do it Inside Yeah, and they don't dry to that color Yeah, but there's a period of time during their flowering cycle where you can get I have I mean I have a bunch on my phone Um, you can get some really amazing different stuff Yeah, but only in the sun Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it is weird and maybe it's I wonder I wonder if one day the leds will somehow be able to capture that Range that pushes it out indoors. I don't know that So someone just asked a pretty good question when we said what does double up mean?  That's recessive. Right. Yeah. So the only way your kids can get it is if both parents have the gene Yes, right If they don't Like for instance, you know, I have I have I have multiple kids. I have hazel eyes. My wife has green eyes So we both have the gene We got two brown eyes and one blue eyed kid Yeah Right in three tries. So, you know, um, what I mean by double what we mean by doubling up is I think that that particular skunk aroma is probably recessive now And you'd have to find a different parent that had that recessive trait and grow enough of them that those two recessives met in one plant Yep lined up That's what we mean by doubling up because if you don't have two parents with the blue eye gene, you can't have a blue eye kid Yeah Same thing with blonde hair actually Same thing with any number of traits. They think that humans eventually will all be some kind of brown I Just because it's so dominant in so many cultures that you know And I think that's kind of what what happened to skunk. It just got lost And now it'll pop out on rare cases Mr. Toad does not have a strain that produces pink just on the side. Mr. Toad is full of shit And let's see we got the lights from chrome Uh, you know, you might remember more of the history about it than I do Um, I Classify it in in the same way as the snow and maybe some other things one of those low turpine low flavor chunky frosty Plants that tend to transfer that when you breed. Yeah, so it got mixed into a bunch of stuff Yeah, it was the white because of how frosty it was. Yeah, it was from from uh, chrome from swamp boys Was the one that brought it online. I don't remember where he said he sourced it from somewhere in florida Um, I remember there was some talk around the time too that it was called A white triangle or just triangle, but not triangle kush. Remember there was some speculation on that I don't know how I hear it that is. Uh, I wish we could have chrome on to talk about it a little bit um I was associated with like In my head with the hash plant meaning that it's a plant that is suddenly for producing hash or Adding tons of resin, but it also adds earth and dirt in mushrooms Turps So it might be one of those things like I never used to talk about the nl5 Yeah, how it added frost and structure and improved lea lea, you know kalex the leaf ratio Yeah, but it didn't taste like much or smell like much which he liked because it let the other side of the breeding shine through Yes, so it added and I that's kind of how I think of the white Yeah, it did it did amazing with the blue bonnet and let the blue bonnet dominate it Which is really weird for like that recessive blue Turp in the first place that blue smell and That's the one thing that I found that really married with the white well in a single f1 hybrid Usually it takes some back crossing to to get rid of those turps to the white and that's kind of a common old school way of breeding where you take something that's Frosty and dense with nice structure and potent But maybe doesn't have a lot of smell or flavor and you throw that on something wilder growing with better turps And better this and better that and you see if you can get Both qualities in one plant.  Yeah, no, I I threw it once and called it fucking awful, but it was a seedling I actually have to say let me let me add this in too is that someone just someone mentioned that they think that the Citrus turps took off with dabs And I do think that tangy came out at the perfect time because a lot of that citrus weed Is pretty low potency to moderate at best But if you make bh o of it and you make it 78 percent thc, you're going to get high if you take a dab Yep So in the flower form years before it would just get it would just be weaker and wouldn't stay around long Yeah But you could put it through bh o and that citrus turp would come through whether it was lemon or orange or tangerine or whatever Your brain picked up on and it would work Yeah, so for for it was perfect timing for extract Yeah Anyway, uh black russian I don't really have any experience of black russian cherry ak blackberry Beautiful beautiful magenta colors It was before citrally was super popular. So People weren't used to seeing those beautiful magenta colors. It's responsible for like double purple doja and sputnik and a few other things Uh, mostly just like the blackberry, but with better cherry nicer Uh turps and a little bit more resinous than blackberry, but still overall pretty low potency and and mids um Pretty low potency and mids Yeah, unfortunately, I I spent a lot of time on on black russian a lot Because I was convinced I could pull something good out of it and I never was able to it doesn't mean it can't be done I was just not able to and I tried a lot Um, we yeah, I mean it was kind of this like that black the blackberry kush that we had in mendo was kind of the same Yeah, it was incredible looking and people love to grow it and it would be absolutely gorgeous And then sometime you just realized that you didn't really get very high from from smoking it um some I've just seen the same thing up over and over about 20 times asian fantasy Or not telling you about asian fantasy only because that was a clone that was supposedly never passed ever Yeah, and that's it. So there's nobody has any experience with it except for jason king and the guy that wouldn't give it out There was scammers that claimed to have it and traded it out for a long time And they still claim to have it and it's stupid.   Um What's ghost dog do you have experience with it? um, I you know I wish we have we have some friends that have more experience with it that are chatting on here than I do I never really grew it. It did seem like it was one of those big yielding You know that they could pass as chem Um, so it got grown in a lot of greenhouses and a lot of outdoor Yeah, um, but I don't remember its origin story off the top of my head And I that gave thinking and if you've ever smoked cam or smoked Smelled cam you'd be like, what it's it's it's a bubble hybrid probably of some sort It does real well outdoors because people could move it out as indoors It just was one of those plants that could one of those Transitory plants that you could pass off as indoor and that's about it. That's like the brokers There's always been a history of brokers where if they could make depths look like ends Or they could they thought that outs looked like depths then they could get a higher price For from their customers and then their margin would be bigger, which is the point of their existence Yes, exactly, you know, so it was like a big. I don't know I think it was one of those ones that it was like a big growing afghan that was kind of boring, but It got cam attached to it Um, let's see what else we got here purple. Mr. Nice. I know that went up in your area Did you did you grow any that? Yeah purple mr. Nice is a little weird um in the sense that It It's got g3. It supposedly got g13 in it Yeah, you know, and it's one of those things that when When neville lost women never went to jail for 11 months and then since he got him out It's been since he gave him a bunch of money and got him out of jail and bought his seed company um Some of the things that were common in neville's seed catalog didn't pour it over Yeah to Sensi like any of the g13 hybrids any of the hash plant hybrids Um, the maple leaf all disappeared. Yeah, and then in the late 90s after neville left the maple leaf the g13 The afghani one all those things started popping back up Yeah, and I don't know if they pulled them from seed, but I think that's where it came from Yeah, is mr. It's sensi offering first. Yeah, right and it was at g13 by hash plant. Yeah You know hash plant at all one It's uh, yeah, it just it was like every single g13 hash plant that was purple to me It was it was narcotic enough. It was okay, you know, it yielded really well and the better it yielded the worse it was Yeah, it's about it. Yeah, I mean, so it's one of those things where I always question is like Why did it disappear the whole time neville was there? Yeah, and then after he left got brought back like why didn't the state I've never gotten the answers to that. Why didn't the hash plants and the g13's And the maples and some of those other things. Why did they go off the menu? Yeah, and then 10 years later pop off back on them Yeah, that's a weird one. Um any mangoes that you can remember There's a ginormous mango Uh That old school seed line that floats around mendo Um because people used to be able to get eight or ten pounds of plant off it Yeah, um, and they called it the mango around here and then obviously there's the mango haze Um, but I don't know which one he's referring to Yeah, I'm not sure. Um, I'm just just mango or in general mango Uh, harrell wanna Um, you know, I don't really I I've heard various tales Uh about that type of stuff You know, uh, it was supposedly grown a lot in trinity county. Um, you know and um You know extremely potent I had a friend that used to move a lot of it, but I never had I never grew it Okay, I never um, yeah harrell want I grew a bunch of the seed line The name was a total to me. It was a uh A misnomer. I tried tux. I tried motor elves tried sannies, which was motor rebels I didn't have anything I liked. It was very low potency Um, some of it was resinous smelled like leather, which is just not my my gig. How about the puck? The puck um You know, I we both have some experience with the puck Uh, the puck is supposedly a At a hash plant, you know from neville from the neville seed bank era in the late 80s Yeah, it came out of uh, you know, it got famous in colorado and ledville and various places like that Um, some old schoolers used to carry it around in a hockey puck hard case And that's kind of how it got the name the puck And it's a round and people breed with it Um, I never had very much luck with it because when I had it. I was primarily using the sun And it grew worthless weed in the sun.  That's really ugly by today's standards Yeah Um, and probably is best in a breeding project Probably its best trait is that it's got very old genetics in it Yeah, but it's not like a one hybrid and you're done No, I you know, I anybody working with it more power to him for trying. That's all I'll say on that It's probably a multi-stage process to get what you want. Yeah And this is it for the list right now You got any on yours? You got anything? No, I didn't write me down. I saw you had such a huge list. Yeah, um, you know, there's uh Yum bolt I never grew the yum bolt, but I actually used to strangely enough. I used to get yum bolt from humboldt And whoever had the yum bolt and humboldt was doing a good job And it was frosty and burned good and I enjoyed smoking it Yeah You know People are talking about, you know, yeah, there's people out there that are doing some extensive puck work And I think that's probably what it would take Yeah, yeah, it would it would take i'm not saying it's bad or i'm not dissing it I'm just saying that like to get the qualities you want out of it You're gonna have to work with it for a while and do three four You know five stages of breeding and you'll probably get it to somewhere where you want to go If I was being optimistic, I would say cross once to the puck and then cross to anything else for like nine generations Now i'm just kidding. There's i'm sure people are doing great work with it. I just haven't run any and that's that's the main thing Um island sweet skunk I could talk about that for a second it Um, it's canadian. There's uh stories around about it. Um supposedly it Was an nl five this up again.   It's been held around for a long time Um, and it's likely an nl five haze or hybrid yeah Irene we're not going to talk about just because we might have Some people on eventually that uh, it's kind of their story to tell and they can give an enormous amount of depth on it So hopefully that'll be soon Yeah yep Casey jones was that it was a similar era. Um, there was a cut from joe schmoe that was pretty good at cacy jones um Yeah, that's about all I got on that anything else you want to cover before we uh wrap this one up and if we missed any again Send us messages. Some of the ones people were mentioning you guys missed it earlier in the episode summer and other episodes We have all episodes about so go check them out Anything else you want to cover before I start doing a Boucher we're about that time 8 50 or something like that. Yeah. Oh, I'll see somebody just asked about champagne um Champagne was a canadian strain And there was this picture. I can't remember if it was in the in uh emory's magazine cannabis culture or whatever But there was the there was these video There was these pictures of champagne that were just like three foot tall colas With very little branching on like a hydroponic setup and it just looked like there was like five pounds of weed On this table and it was very it was very delicious looking and I think there was some really attractive pictures of champagne taken They got a lot of people's interest in it Um, and it was seed lines that was crossed into stuff. It's kind of one of those things I don't know that we ever saw the real one down in america. I can't say But it definitely was passed around let those 90s beasters circles Yeah, you know, yeah, um Well, is someone who was talking about what was in it the king and champagne a funny story about the king I almost popped the last of those seeds and then I agreed to do a collab with y yeast and When he was with compound The seeds got given to his partner of king and I never saw them again So you look at my sure compound might have a king hybrid somewhere And I think maybe there's a good chance like we have some canadian friends and stuff Yeah, um, you know, I think it still survives up there Yeah, it could very well. Yeah, it's mostly it's most the history on it is mostly canadian Yeah, and a lot of things people are asking about like the canadian stuff I'd love to talk about but I just don't have Any experience with canadian stuff other than what we could buy from seed up there and it was still minimal, you know Yeah, uh, we had this we had this line from my friends in calab we had the hong kong I don't know if that's what people are talking about or they're talking about a different kong But yeah, we had this thing called the hong kong that, uh, still exist in various hybrids So the kong if I remember correctly had this reputation for being sold for some ridiculous amount of money like $20,000 for a cut. 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