Everybody forced here up in 2022 tops transcendent collection baseball case number nine random hit style So we've got 58 hits here There's a transcendent VIP party invitation number to 99 There's a transcendent chrome four card pack with at least one super fractor in it. Let's stay sealed 50 card full sets number to 99 50 card full set number to 99. That's one item a one-of-one transcendent gold deco auto an oversized cut auto or Or dual cut auto or jumbo letter patch There's a one-of-one patch auto or bat knobs slash a nameplate book a 1958 super fractor auto a One-of-one through the years Vlad jr. A wander Franco and then there's 50 framed autos which will flip through that's the majority of the break And we'll random everything off at the ends We'll type it all out as we go. Thanks everybody for joining in best of luck here Here guys There we go VIP party invitation First hit case 83 of 99 83 Stays to like seven So there's our oversized cut auto or jumbo letter patch or dual cut auto You're trying to pee No Transcendent packs they sealed includes one super. This is the Super fractor 1958 super fractor start pickle Rick Load bearing pickle Rick. Yep. Hold up Shaq seal base set one item Again, 83 of 99 on the numbering there through the years Either wanderer of latty got deco gold auto one-of-one and it's not a book I'm still waiting on one of those booklets for a knob or or a nameplate. We better we better get one or two tonight So this is gonna be a patch auto here Those are all one-of-ones everything on the table right now is a one-of-one and then 50 gold framed autos Which we're about to go through Those are individual hits. There we go Alrighty y'all. Yeah, we're how Vegas Lane is doing speaking of roulette.  All right. Here we go. Let's go forward again. I guess nice congrats congrats Pilch Start with Beltray. Maybe judge keep the paper behind it on the card behind it Start with Aaron judge 11 of 20 Always a great start Aaron judge 11 of 20 Think you're just missing the whether through the year. Oh, no, it went all the way back. It's all messed up the The the the set the 50 the set in the invitation to where does that go then? Aaron judge 11 of 20. I would probably grab the whole thing copied over so What is it missing one sec guys? Once that our sheet our sheet is all messed up right now. Why does that do that? Supposed to start at nine. That's that's the issue here. Yeah There we go All right. All right. Here we go. Sorry guys a one-of-one Adrienne Beltray Ruby one-of-one Adrienne Beltray. Good luck on that one y'all. That'd be a good get for sure Great start to this this frame. I'd have said here our pools eight of 20 Rookie Alec Thomas auto 12 out of 20 really tell you that's what they did That's weird Barry Larkin auto 4 of 15. Oh nice. You got you ready to get some swag Then I didn't even know if you got any shirts or whatever. I don't even know how many what size we had we have like none Rookie autos seven of 20 Bobby wit jr. He is number seven, right? Is There we go. Good luck on that one everybody of course Four Magd cards so far After that is a bow Jackson 10 of 20 on the auto bow Jackson 10 of 20 Is there a chance of like an auto or something like that Taylor or is it just the parallels rookie auto Brandon Marsh 13 of 20? Yeah, dude, they take all they take a bunch of shirts to show as he give them all out and then Nobody ever orders more So we have like hoodies and sweatpants and it's 90 degrees here every day It has been that way since like the beginning of February Except for like two days last week Bryce Harper 9 of 20 of the framed auto nice Bryce Bryce Bryce baby Phillies rookie purple auto Bryson stott 9 of 10 Bryce and Bryson back-to-back You should tell Bryson about that so many so many Bryson stoot next up Buster Posey auto 16 of 20 Yeah, it's it's a very different climate that especially our West Cal Ripken jr. Auto 2 out of 20 Cal Ripken jr. 2 of 20 Yeah, I'll be Zyron man Call you Stremski 14 of 20 Yes After that is a CC sabathia 8 of 15 Does anyone PC CC? Yeah, you guys came in March to Brandon. It's fairly nice at least in the evenings It's nice here in March. Let's say chipper Jones 10 of 10 book and auto You hate to see hot 90 degrees in Florida is not hot especially this time here when it's not crazy humid yet It's not raining every day Yeah, just don't ever come to Florida between like in July and August. Don't do it Rookie out of CJ Abrams 12 out of 15 very nice CJ Cody Ballinger 5 out of 10 purple auto. Oh, yeah, jipper 10 to 10 Chipper dude, I could go for a big chipper ice cream sandwich anytime of day That was like a groan in a good way Call we see go 4 of 10 purple auto Lane's boy world series MVP Derek Jeter 1 of 15 Mr. Derek Jeter, I guess a little bit Brennan, but no Just it's never fun here in July. Oh, yes, it's never nice here 11 to 15 Eddie Murray auto 11 to 15 Eddie Murray Hall of Famer Here's your number minus one. Oh, thank you Shane. Thank you for keeping track 8 of 10 Fernando Tatis, Jr. Auto El Nino Tatis 8 of 10 big Frank Thomas the big hurt 7 15 or the big hunk as he was on the new Janix commercials Going all out of leave yet. Next up George Springer blue jays 1 of 10 Yeah, Taylor 2-1 George Springer Next is the mad dog Greg Maddox 3 out of 15 way cooler than Chris Russo mad dog Greg Maddox 3 of 15 Yeah Carl seriously man rookie auto reds hunter green our first hunter green of the night 18 of 20 This is probably the most expensive baseball set. They only make 99 cases sometime It's like either 199 every time they make transcendent Next up another red. It's Joey Votto this time 19 of 20 back to back to back reg Jonathan India this time 4 of 10 Yeah, Dean. This is your personal. We charge your account already. Thank you though appreciate it Good luck. Good luck There might be a one-of-one Jared South of Lemakia in here somewhere for you Who's a brave you five out of 20 on the framed auto? Jared South of Lemakia. No, dude. That's a legend. We did skip Johnny Bench. Maybe they did on a purpose They probably don't know all right. How many rides you gonna put in here? Oh You all come up there Jose. Oh, oh Whoa up 6 of 20 Julio Rodriguez Yeah Good luck on this one everybody Yeah, then I also bought Kyle and I dinner Dean. Thank you Mariano Rivera to a 15 enter Sandman Or is these crumble cookies for dinner? We did not hit a Babe root Does somebody hit one did somebody pull it? Biggest baseball co we pulled so far as the Gary. That was case one today was the Gary nice Mariano a Martin McGuire 20 of 20 on the auto Yeah, but those guys aren't rookies Taylor Jeter Jersey number Mariano. Oh boy. We're getting We're getting deep into this We're getting into uncontrollable territory here Miguel Cabrera 15 of 20. I missed him in the last case Miguel Cabrera 15 of 20 Framed auto for the goat Mike Piazza 3 of 10 Mike Piazza 3 of 10. I think it has been a lie Just get them all later You have time. I've got a type 58 names stuff like that. So I'm actually not the next one Mike Schmidt auto 6 out of 10 The next two are I can do that we're you're doing versus If any more come in don't miss any this time That's a Mike Mike like I start Caldwell baseball classic Mike and Mike 15 to 15 Mike trout. Good luck y'all Snack snack was right 15 to 15 Mike trout. What do you want it easy we have? Enough enough. That's good Bosses really heavy Nicoladola rookie out of 10 at 20. Yeah, all the mics now Mike Schmidt Mike try Mike Piazza Mike crack from f1 Nolan Ryan 17 of 20 framed autumn. Yeah smack great great call smack No, no Mike Tyson in this Ozzie Smith auto 18 of 20 If it was ever possibly like a transcendent like multi sport product that would be freaking nuts That would be that would be crazy. I was telling Tony earlier I was like dude a transcendent football once they get the licensing would be would be something else You would just have to get all these quarterbacks. I don't sign to sign Paul Goldschmidt auto 6 of 15 6 to 15 Paul Goldschmidt Don't say that name illegal Hey guys, thanks Birmingham Barons Jordan. I mean that'd be cool to get a Jordan auto or bat barrel It's a met people on sir 5 to 15 Peter Lanzo If you add those together Jersey number 515 polar Pete like Joe Burrow like Lamar Jackson like Patrick Mahomes like Miles Garrett never will Those guys Randy Johnson 12 out of 20 framed autumn Yeah, they're an alphabet of order and Trent. No, we're breaking all the transcendent cases that we got today Brewers auto Robin the out 3 out of 10 I mean, I guess you could theoretically but you'd miss out like the party of the decision be worthless after The end of April you could still like it'd be a gamble to keep it sealed But like assuming J rod and those guys do well like yeah, you can it probably wouldn't lose value Maybe not a ton, but yeah, usually something you want to rip and Try to get that party invitation Rod Karoo auto 9 out of 15 Although Probably would be the best but you could just buy the box and open it up and keep like the wrapping on it Yeah, and get it like authenticated just take the invitation. I mean that's that's a big process That's a lot of work just to get the invitation off and keep everything else sealed Rod crew 9 of 15. I'm sure someone's got all the transcendent cases sealed somewhere Roger the rocket Clemens auto 13 of 15 Yankees Put Kenny Powers in this set absolutely Yeah, maybe not transcendent. I don't know how that would go over with a lot of people that are buying in the transcendent but Some of us to be down some of us be thrilled, but It's to be fair. I can't be king of it. I'd be pretty funny Ronald Acuna junior 19 and 20 framed auto. I guess it's possible Carl. No, I got no idea 19 and 20 Acuna Ryan Sandberg auto 11 out of 15 Lesnar, yeah, right now they are 11 to 15 botanist There he is big show Areas 20 at 20 bookends as always gildock on the show. Hey, Ohtani That's that guy's simply the best He the best we ever used a fraction. That's a one-of-one. I think Time works, right? Purple Torkelson 2 out of 10 Tigers Spencer Torkelson Tigers As I call it the team in a non-random team break Vlad Junior one of ten big time for his vision right there.  We've had one of one Ohtani pair of Ruby auto one of one J rod Ruby auto and one of one Wanda platinum auto. There's still spots left. They're still spots left For tonight you guys He already started the year with a Homer. He's gonna have a big season It's gonna be big anybody that bought some of his cards when there was that slight slight dip last year might be pretty happy 22 to go on case 12 There are two cases between This one and that one. I believe the only spot that's not auto would be the 50 car base set the invitation and The pack are the only three spots. I wouldn't guarantee an auto. Yeah No, no guaranteed auto per spot But the three that are not autos are bigger than I would say 90% of the autos in every case So if you didn't hear Kyle VIP of invitations sealed case or sealed base that has a good floor value and then The sealed pack which I'm guessing is gonna it's gonna sell for more than what what a spot cost for the break for sure Those are guaranteed super fractures. Alright, we'll do it through the years first. It's both of them. It's both of them Wander Vladdy one of one dual through the years Heck yeah The checklist said or yeah, that's what it said. It didn't say and that's awesome. You love to see that Wander and Vladdy one of one. I don't know Does anyone know what year this is I'm totally sure it's tty gf8 through the years I'm not sure what gf8 would be. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's definitely one of the better ones You can pull you get both of them. That's sick. I'm sure someone's open a silver pack somewhere already The Deco next Deco auto one of one Deco gold Buster Posey It's always good to get good luck on this one. Have good luck on all the one-to-ones. In fact, I'll just say that now Buster Posey One-time MVP three-time World Series champion Future Hall of Famer Buster. We'll do the patch out of next so we know it's not a Nob or a bad name plate because it's not a book. It's a cardinal Mark McGuire One-of-one patch auto game used Big Mac Very nice. I'll take your word for it. Mike. Thank you. So 64 tops The Deco's look great. Awesome McGuire 1958 Superfractor auto one-of-one Vlad emir Guerrero junior Man 1958 tops design one-of-one Superfractor auto Vladdy junior. Yep. That's some smoke right there some heat Prayer myself All right, fine. Okay. I don't know what this is not going to be a letter This is gonna be a cut. I believe I don't think it's a letter patch. That looks like a pretty old Parchment pretty old. Yeah a piece of paper. I don't even get to see the coloration. It's not it's not like clear white The name starts with an F. I think I see up top there Whoa Yo Frederick Douglass, whoo, I just got chills Frederick Douglass Holy cow, dude Wow Whoo, oh That is uh, that is sick famous abolitionist and much much more Frederick Douglass Wow That's incredible Everybody good luck on this. I mean There's some really big baseball cards in this that is That's freaking cool. That's awesome. That is a wild 1895 Man That'll get that. I'll get the heart rate going right there.  I do feel I'm gonna set it down. I feel weird In a good way. I just like That's that's that's pretty sick goodness gracious Oh, okay, it's random time. Let me get some water. We'll do the random. Wow Oh man, yep. Yep, that's cool. That's uh, that's the coolest thing we pulled today so far That is that is awesome Wow, okay Whoo This is a good case. Yeah. Yeah, I got 12 mags Yeah, wander one-on-one Frederick Douglass Frederick Douglass Frederick Douglass right just right your Douglas Yeah, Jordan. They're very expensive cases for sure. Oh, man Good luck, everybody. Oh, we're gonna we're gonna randomize the names and the hits the same amount of times and put them side-by-side To see who gets what here just like any other random hit that we've done in our breaks So Here we go six Yeah, the Booker T washing was within that was really cool, too. All right six times Names first best of luck everybody. Wow. Wow. I'm like I'm stunned. I'm stunned at that one two three four five and six Rolando Down to Edward H and All 58 hits all 50 frame autos plus the others six times one two three four five six chipper Down to Nolan Ryan. He is Australian referee, so I'll give him too much for not knowing our our historical figures All right, Rolando with the chipper Ryan S. Ozzie Smith Brian S. Albert Poole's Michael S. The Bobby Witt jersey number and the sabathya Scott see the Buster Posey transcendent Deco gold one of one Thomas T. The Eddie Murray James C The one of one patch auto mark McGuire John a Jonathan India and Joey vato John C. Bo Jackson Daniel R. The sealed base set number to fifth number to 99. Those are not to That was from the original shadows, but they're all the 99 just like the cases Viviana mark McGuire Lou y Mike Schmidt Ian J With the Robin y out mark L. Nicola dola Benjamin L. Pete Alonzo Lou y the VIP event invitation congrats Lou Joe L. The Jeter Brandon L. Trout rule S Brandon Marsh J. S. Bryce Harper Matt M. Alec Thomas Todd D. Frank Thomas The Thomas's Phil K. Buster Posey to 20 Robert G. Rodkeru Philip D. Mariano Rivera John A. Tatis Stephen L. The Beltray one of one Ruby framed auto Thomas J. Vladdie Jr. Framed Auto to 10 Charles L. Mike Piazza to 10 Jason C. Ryan Sandberg sung in H. Randy Johnson AJ F. Acuna framed auto Mike C. Greg Maddox bat M. Cody Bellinger Edward P. Spencer torque Torkelson Allen v Julio Rodriguez rookie auto 620 Robert A. Barry Larkin Jake S. Miguel Cabrera Lou y Paul Goldschmidt Stephen S. The wander and Vlad dual through the years very sick hit Shane W. With the secret attend Jake S. Jose Abre you Regina with the Abrams Scott F. Wander Franco auto platinum one of one starts reading it as it's written I'm like John Mike. I'm like Ron Burgundy over here John A. Roger Clemens Charles L. George Springer Jonathan Oh Cal Ripken Jr. I believe Scott F. is a raised angel. It's pretty cool If that is the Scott I'm thinking of Jonathan Oh Cal Ripken D. W. Shohei Otani congrats on the show Hey Peter C. Bryson Stott Robert Z. Aaron judge Brian are With not only the one-of-one oversized cut auto of Frederick Douglass But also the chrome four-card pack with at least one super fracter in it. What a frickin hall of a Brian. Oh my god Please get shipping insurance Andrew S. The hunter-green Zach Kastrojewski James C. The Vlad Jr. Super fracter and Edward H. The Nolan Ryan auto to 20 We're on the case 10


What's up everyone it's your girl Kenzie here from Layton Sports Cards and I'm ripping a personal for Evan P We've got a 2022 tops chrome formula one racing hobby box. Best of luck here Evan. Let's see we can get ya There we go. We're stopping Got loose Hamilton award winners refractor All right, let's see let's see see a big auto stopping Perez refractor Lewis Hamilton refractor Mercedes Alpine we've got purple Christian Horner for Red Bull 23 of 399 Sergio Perez Yes, the Ocon refractor Lewis Hamilton Nice one there Mercedes Magnuson we've got a Marcus Armstrong refractor Hi-tech Claire green and purple Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin a Vettel and stroll refractor TV Ricky refractor formula freshest Joe Guanyou refractor George Russell speed demons Second half here POS refractor Red Bull refractor. We've got nice purple Max for Stappin There you go Evan two out of 399 on the first stopping All of her staffings in this box Yuki speed demons refractor that pink coming up We've got Max for Stappin Grand Prix winner refractor and paint Carlos signs nice one there 47 of 75 Ferrari on the signs Refractor of Yuki Sonoda. We've got green auto of Charles Leclerc for Ferrari on the green 69 of 99 there you go Evan Heating up here at the end nice Leclerc Ferrari She Walker and Magnuson Alphatari refractor we pulled a red Carlos signs out of five from a group break the other day That was crazy Rookie refractor alpha Ramel that's a Joe Guanyou and another green here a Daniel Ricardo for McLaren 72 of 99 There you go. That is a big card Evan. I'm gonna get that in a mag for you for Stappin Piastri We've got a checkered flag of Fernando Alonso for Alpine and last one a Charles Leclerc speed demons All right, that will do for your box Evan. Thanks again. Congrats so much on the Green auto there we're getting out of the mag right now and we'll get these right out to you


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Good afternoon Good afternoon everybody Hello, hey, there you go now. It's on good afternoon everyone did everyone enjoy lunch Okay, is everyone ready for two final sessions for the afternoon fully energize ready to engage It's always hard when we come back from lunch. It's like that gets warm and everyone starts to get a bit sleepy Hopefully this panel session will be really engaging. So Andrew Johnson, I'll be the moderator for today's panel session I'm the manager of student enrichment here at uni sq and also the convener for the operational group for SVA. So I'm really really excited to be here and bringing a whole range of really fantastic panelists with us Now we actually have panelists joining us in person obviously and we have a few panelists joining us online. So hopefully All of that will work seamlessly and we won't have any technical problems and it will be fantastic. So We might start with some introductions from the panelists so you can get to know them So I'll start with the panelists here in the room So we can get acquainted. So Jeff Chris, would you like to tell us a little bit about yourself? Yes, it's on. Oh, there you go. Oh, thank you very much Hi, I'm Jeff. I'm the deputy vice chancellor academic at University of Canberra Worked at a few universities Have actually been passionate about student voice And I know behind me up here on the screen. There's a couple of my colleagues up there who I've been involved with for a number of years In looking at how we can actually Include the student voice in decision-making. That's something that I've been really quite passionate about Yeah, that'd be great.  For the SVA. So thank you. Whoa. Yes And Bailey, so you've come to Springfield from University of Sunshine Coast Do you want to give us a bit of an intro for yourself and your journey as a student? Okay, um, my name is Bailey. Hi Before I start I'm going to explain that I have autism I get nonverbal when I get nervous And to help with that I have flashcards even for telling you who I am So So yes, I'm a second year social work student I came to do that by first applying to do marketing and event management And so I applied to university to do that went to the NDIS said hey, I need some help to go to university They said no, I spent a year at home twiddling my thumbs and decided to become a social worker instead So here I am When I started my degree there was an advertisement for a student representative to be on the disability action and inclusion plan working committee and I applied for that And I got that went to the first meeting the provice chancellor for students introduced me and I was like Oh my god, she knows my name And so that kind of set me off to being a student rep in our students as partners program I realized they didn't have a disability section under that so we made that happen um, and now I am also convener of the Students with disability leadership collective through sva Thank you very much, and we really appreciate you being part of the sva community because I know it's not your first year So thank you very much We might go online now So we have two panelists joining us online and just heads up We might have a third panelist that may drop in at some point and we'll endeavor so if you see another person jump on the screen behind you if you can just all wave your hands frantically So I can look back that'd be great um So, uh, we might move to our second student on the panel.  Can you share a little bit about yourself? Yeah, sure thing. So thank you for having me here um, so I'm a phd within the department of management at monash university And I think it's important just to give an idea of my experience in my journey on how I got to where I am so my phd looks at studying processes of change and how our understanding of who we are as individuals and our identities may contribute to wider organizational institutional change And so I found that this passion came about when I worked for a bank when I was in my undergraduate degree and doing my commerce degree and I discovered a systemic wage theft in this bank and in the process of advocating for this space. I realized how the union had been systemically blocked by email from Discussing or entering the workplace from the mid mid 2000s And I'd left the bank since that was all published in the Australian financial review But it actually demonstrated to me how change is really intertwined with voice but also silencing And it was from that experience during my undergraduate course that compelled me to learn about how change comes about How we better facilitate change in more sustainable ways And so that's what put me into studying this area and my honours and now when my phd and today Outside of my phd research a lot of my volunteer time is spent Engaging in change activities in the higher education space. I'm the faculty of business and economics hdr representative I'm also the humanities and social sciences hdr representative on the university's central graduate Research committee. I'm the vice president of the Monash graduate association Which I'll talk about a bit in a moment And the hdr representative on the university's academic board as well And some of the big highlights in my time in these roles have really been building a strong hdr network And also campaigning for an increase in the rtp stipends and developing strategic capabilities with an our graduate association And so there's a lot there, but I think it's important to give an idea For our audience what that looks like and how I'm here where I am today Thanks, Jonathan, and I think facilitation of change working in the higher education Either as a student or as a staff member the one thing that we can probably be assured of is that there is always change in the sector So really keen for your insights in the space as we talk through this in sva so Also excited to introduce you to sally vanham and many of you obviously might already recognize the name So the sva symposium would not Would not feel right without her participation as sally's the reason we're really all here today So her tremendous work on the pilot project in 2019 resulted in the development of the step up principles Widely used amongst most people in the room and online and of course the establishment of this network So please sally Can you give us a little bit of an introduction for yourself? That'd be great Anyone who knows me well will know that it's very whiskey to ask me to talk about myself in the context of student voice But I so I might have to be stopped um, but I can't before I start I can't um Do any further without giving a big shout out to the people who have helped me along the way who have been so Who've been so good who've really done all the work first of all and cahill who was my first manager and then kate walsh And who really ran student voice the student voice australia pilot project And then pipe a bell who took it over when I went home back to new zealand From the university of adelaide and now the university of southern queensman with ana and her team um So I'm very excited and very honored to be here. It's so amazing to see how it's grown And it's busy how far it's come How how did it start it's a legal academic first of all in new zealand and then when I was masquerading as an australian at uts um I have always had a strong interest in the role of education and in developing citizens It's able to assimilate information and make decisions Um, and I think that if I I thought that it schools as well and universities who fail to engage Have meaningful engagement with students at all ages and decision making are really missing a huge opportunity Not only for the institutions, but for the students personal and professional development So what happened I when I first got to us I co-led a research project which was um about university student grievances And one of the big um one of the big findings of that project was a feeling of disempowerment Which lucy talked about power before but that was it was a really we actually pushed for um an ombud in the sector One of the strong the strong findings that we got out of that was that students felt disempowered They would there were student there were decisions being made about them in every way about their courses institutions, whatever Um without there being consultant Consulted so then at ucs for my since I went on to become chair of academic board And we had eight students on academic board and I found it really hard to engage them Um, they didn't really know what they were doing there and um, they just wasn't a culture of they having meaningful engagement Was more about their CVs. I think and then I went on to university council and um, it became but confusing for everybody else who I was actually representing on council because I helped I work with the students as well Getting their voices heard um In my career attended lots and lots of conferences Which where the discussion the focus is all about students and it used to be that there was barely a student in sight um, so I basically It started me thinking how could we do it better? Um, it's such an important research resource and we're missing such a huge opportunity To engage students for everyone's benefit. I heard there was a lot going on overseas um with sparks and with um Sparks and in england with the end spot in ireland with a national student engagement project in ireland and even wise wales In the european student union. This has been talked about before So I applied for I've been very lucky with the old theater part of oral team Funding I applied for got funding to look at what was happening overseas in terms of student voice student the engagement of student voice in institutional decision making um, so I developed a network with all of those people and and then looked at australia where nothing much was happening um, I think the university of western australia the guild seemed to be the most active but that was about all So then my report on this project led to um, my being ordered national senior teaching fellowship Which enabled me with the wonderful and car hall to conduct a series of forums around australia And through that after that we developed the step-up principles for student engagement, which you would all know about Um, we launched have I run out of time yet? This is all great stuff We launched the principles at a symposium at my university at UTS And there was so many people there. It was just amazing and this was the same with the forum It was like as I kept saying this is an idea This time has come in australia because there was so much interest and shelly and jeff would remember this from those days um The the forums that I conducted around australia to develop the principles Had a huge a wide range of everyone students Swaring to senior managers professional staff academics and really amazing dialogue and that was the same at the symposium Disappoint when I first started talking about running these forums with everybody Someone said oh, why don't you have separate ones with students because the students might be a bit scared to talk up With every would their senior managers and things there and there was absolutely none of that Wasn't they were the most amazing experiences from me and everyone else who was there? I think so then um We launched the principles at the symposium. There was a huge turnout and um, there was a big push there to go further like that's not just you'll do your report And that'll be it as happens a lot as we know So it was really to push from students and all university personnel that um encouraged us to start the um The student voice australia pilot I'm getting it together was not easy as you can imagine because it was we asked the university to chip in um, and so that was a major Um, we're just getting the legal side of it done the sign off But it was we launched it. I employed kate walsh the wonderful kate walsh who really ran it to be manager Totally ran it to be the manager. It's great. Hi kate. Hi, sir. She's still here. Um, and um Yeah, so it's really Going on from there I don't think do I need to say any more? No, I am I going to be asked later about what happened when I came back to New Zealand Yeah, there'll be lots of questions coming. So that was fantastic. Thank you very much For that and and during your presentation. We actually had our final panelist join us. So Um, and you referenced her in your speech. So shelly you were Well, it seems like not too long ago at uni sq. But um, you've moved on to other things I won't say bigger and better things but other things. Would you like to do a quick introduction for yourself? Please Thank you so much. Can you hear me? Okay Yes, we can. Okay fantastic Uh, you could hear me and then I got muted somehow. I unmuted myself again. Um, I am Thrilled to be virtually here at uh, university of southern Queensland So the accent you're hearing is Canadian But I'm proud to say that I am a dual citizen and I always like to joke that I can't then accidentally become a politician And um, it was university of southern Queensland. Um, how I ended up coming on this journey. So In 2007 I came for what was to be a one-year academic exchange to teach for the university of southern Queensland and Right away and definitely within six months. Um, I was hooked and fully an australian at heart And I said to my husband and kids I don't think I want to go back and they said we don't either and we've been here ever since um, and uh, then I went after that first year I went to Bond University for eight and a half years And then I came back to university of southern Queensland for four years And now I am at the University of New England and I'm the executive principal student experience and I've been here for two and a bit years and um, This is my portfolio. This is my home. This is my wheelhouse I love I think it's the best job in the world getting to think and plan and do all day For the for the best of students together with students and for student experience So, um, I'll stop the introduction, but I just want to tell you one story about student voice So this was um back to the year 2000 and I was doing my phd and um, so in north america the model was and and mostly still is It's a very long process because it's both a course base and research base And so it was 2000 And I thought what the heck am I doing because I was teaching full-time. I had research Contracts and my daughter was two years old and my son was two months old when I started So my husband would meet me outside of my classes with my baby son so that I could nurse him I went to a conference in chicago and this was a disability advocacy conference And I went there and I'd already had my um thesis research approved So I'd written my proposal My committee was happy with it and what I was doing was studying disability studies students Studying online and this was in 2000 and this wasn't people who were studying through say the Hadley school for the blind This was they'd be the sole blind or visually impaired learner in online learning at various universities And mostly not even their educator knew that they were blind And um, so I was going to study the disability study students I went to this conference and the opening address was nothing about us without us And so I went to my session for my presentation and I said, um, I'm not going to present on what I was going to present on What I need is your help I want to go back and tell my committee that I'm not going to do the research that they've approved I want to study blind online learners themselves not disability study students for blind people themselves And this story and it worked. Um, I actually um, it worked really well because one of the people in the audience was the research director for the Louisiana center for the blind and he said If you'll start with blind learners will fund you So it was it was a dream come true I stand up all night and slid a proposal under his hotel room door and the rest was history But um, so this was a story just to say that each one of us can make a commitment To voice and to participation and to partnership and carry forward with that I think thank you very much for that, Shelley And thank you for all of the panelists for introduction. So the format for this Um, we've got some questions that will ask the the panelists individually Um, if you have any questions during any of um today's session If you'd like to either think of them if you're in the room Or you can pop them on the padlet for those that are online or if you've got a device in front of you Um, and the pad link will be in the chat So we'll jump into the first questions. Jeff. Um, I'm going to ask you the first question So you've been a great champion for the space for quite some time And you've probably seen a lot of changes over the last 10 years What what do you think where do you think we're headed in the next 10 years? What's the future for this space? Uh, yeah easy question. Um, the Look, I think there's been a huge look the number of people here in this room. I think is telling us about the interest but also the importance That's been put on Yes, okay. Um, so to me, that's really positive because if this had been 10 years ago Um, we wouldn't have we wouldn't have had this many people in the room And we wouldn't have had the diversity of people in the room that we have We wouldn't have the diversity of the voices that we are we are currently getting so I think that's changed So I'm going to start with a positive and then talk about Where I think we still need to go on this journey And I'm actually going to pick an example from my own university, right just to talk about so in terms of Students in decision-making and it's really interesting this morning because I don't want to go on a tangent but this whole issue of student engagement student feedback But actually student voice and decision-making. I think we need to actually continue to look at that And understand the difference Between all those things, right because they're they're quite they're all important. They're all important equally important But they're all different All right, and I guess the thing that I was really passionate about was student voice in decision-making And that's going to bring up the issue of which were what decisions what level of decisions How are students involved in decision-making? How is their voice heard at the table? Especially when there'd be a lot of other voices at the table as well So I'll give you just one really small example So one of the things I tried to do at UC where University of Canberra where I am at the moment Was to have student voice in Decisions we made around the use of spaces Around the campus, right? So this is basically working with the states with campus estates, right? And I said well, we need to have a student voice. So I mean on on those decisions that we make and There was a very simple request that came through from students who were part of an lgbtiq plus community on campus And it was we would like a safe space On campus and they had already worked out where they thought that space should be And I don't know what it's like in many of your universities, but in a number of the universities I've been at whether it's a a women's room a prayer room or a Interfaith room or a muslim prayer room or an lgbtiq plus space They're usually tucked away somewhere in a space that nobody wants And estates can't think of what else it can do with it. So therefore they say oh, that's fine Let's give it to them because that that'll be fine. We can do that so what What these what the lgbtiq plus community students had said is There's a space that's not being utilized properly in the main courtyard in the main part of the the university We think that would be a good space for us it needed some refurbishment and So I said, okay, I'll I'll take that to exec Campus estates can put up something. Oh, I'm happy to be the sponsor Because all the projects had to have a sponsor, right? So they they had to find a sponsor to do that. And I was happy to do that What really fascinated me Was when it got around the table with the other decision makers First of all, they didn't see the point of having students at the table To advocate or to talk about this. They said no, you're the executive sponsor You come and talk about it. And I said, well, how can I because I'm not part of that community I'm happy. I'm an ally and I'm happy to work with them and and help them with this But it's not my voice, right? I'm happy to have a voice, but I'm not the voice and so that was and and this went on for quite a few months with this then we finally got agreement on it and Then it was went through the planning phase and the students were involved in that So that that was good. They were involved in the planning What what would it look like what the facilities would be or the rest of it? That was fine And then came up an issue of suddenly someone said, oh the bathrooms need refurbishing In this area and we need to have bathrooms that are appropriate For the people who are going to be occupying in this. Oh, suddenly the cost was doubled What it was originally and then it was oh, actually we can't do that because that's double the cost Can we find somewhere else? Tucked away in a corner somewhere else in the remote part of the the campus and I bring this up not to shame my university but just to talk about Why I think first of all the student voice is important But actually I think the students also need allies As well to help them to make sure that their voice is heard because this is where I'm getting I know I'm going to take a bit of time in but this is where I'm getting about What's changed and what hasn't changed? I think what's changed is we say we'll listen to the student voice What I haven't seen totally change yet is what we do about those voices And how those voices are actually incorporated into decision making and they're taken seriously in the decision making That's the bit that I think is still a journey for us. So I'll stop there Now that was really good. Um And I think Yeah, those those small steps and making those advocates and and I think a testament for who's in this room is Is a really good sign of what's to come. So thank you very much. Um, we have next question is for sally I'm just trying to get my video on again Hang on Well sally if you can hear me, sorry, I'm just trying to start my video. Oh, there we go. Yeah So obviously joining us from new zealand. Um, so we're really keen to Find out about any of the kind of current projects that you might be working on given your history in this space So is there anything interesting that you can unveil or or tell us about? Well, it has been really interesting because in march 2020 When just as covet was closing in I think the university's australia conference somebody had coven and it was the leader. Oh, no, it's here And um, I packed my bags and came home to new zealand for seeing lockdowns and things and um After must have been after the first I'd had quite a lot to do with the With new the new zealand sector during student voice australia development a lot of new zealanders had been over the Sheila from who's head of the academic quality agency and the national the new zealand union of students associations had been over to the symposiums and things that we ran and when I after the First flash of covid was over. I got contacted by the ministry of education here who said that the minister of education Who was then out by minister who was out who now is our prime minister? Maybe only for another day sadly Um, he was very keen on pushing student voice And so he asked if the ministry asked if I'd work with them on and the and the sector agencies and the students associations to To develop a framework that we had along the lines, but obviously within the new zealand context For student for the engagement of student voice So I had a really interesting time working with fantastic student leaders some of whom may be there and Alice mando who had just developed the national the national disabled students association. He was great and other Obviously student leaders moe Pacifica etc. And we um Yeah, so I had I worked with them first of all on the development of what became faria narau That was talked about that one of the sessions before And that Faria narau was the it was designed as a flax bush You may have seen it a few of them if anyone has if anyone looks at the new zealand union of students association website You'll see it from student voice to student engagement to partnership And it sets out for um principles under which um partnership has been developed so And that was really driven by the ministry Hosted that that process but it was driven by the student leaders really and it was it was Fantastic and it was great for me to come back right into that new zealand and then that carried on and we took Faria narau out into the sector and had Forums with the institutions with the providers with sector agencies And obviously with the student bodies And it was all it was it was all a great experience. Um people were so positive It was picked up first of all by Tifu Kenner, which is that was the new body then created As a combination of all at what equivalent of tapes the polytechs in new zealand I think they were the first to doctors and then there was a lot after we'd finished doing that I was contacted by other universities like linkin and massi and vittoria university my old alma mater in willington and um about Developing, you know, what what they could do the student voice at the university at their um at their institutions um so Carrying on from that We now have vittoria university. Wellington has joined. That's why we've become it's become you've become Student voice australia, which is great And there was a lot of and there was a lot of movement a lot of a lot happening Probably the students from new zealand in the audience would be able to fill in More than I can on that as well Um, the other thing that happened was that I was approached by texas early on the year It's probably a bit controversial. I'm going to mention it anyway to um to run a webinar for senior managers on the engagement of student voice in the In the responding to and preventing sexual harassment and sexual assault on university campuses Um, I won't go into that any further But that was another bit of work that I've done in the student voice in the student voice space Um, it's very exciting that the university of southern Queensland has now taken over pipe about did a great job at laid when I left And now the university of southern Queensland. I'm very happy that they um have they Have embraced it and are running towards student voice australia. Yeah, australia It's uh, it's really good to know that we've got a such a huge advocate over the over the ditch So and thank you very much to ana obviously who is our sva coordinator here at He's doing a fantastic job. So Um, we uh, we're going to go to some questions to one of our students So jonathan, I've got a question for yourself and I'm going to try and get this name Todd arrived in my in my question because quite long So would you mind sharing more about the process of being part of the senate education and employment legislative committees inquiry into the education and other legislation amendment Did I get that right? um And how did you end up representing monash at obviously a very um public hearing? Because I think some students in the audience that really work in that are all keen to look into that because the space might benefit from that Yeah, thanks to that and I I think it's a really interesting question Although I must confess many of my friends find it quite a boring story. So hopefully it's not too boring for the audience but I think It did reveal some really interesting lessons and a lot of my network really appreciate it as well so The monash graduate association made a submission to the committee's inquiry And in the lead up to that The association was invited to provide a public testimony of sorts To help the senators understand in essence the impact of indexation on hex debt And what it was doing to both current and former students in this cost of living crisis It's a little boring in the sense that the inquiry was in sydney my phd fieldwork is in sydney So originally from melbourne So instead of flying someone up for a hotel and aeroplane costs, which is an uber for me just to go down So that's the boring bit But the outcome of that was an unfortunate move by the government Not to change anything and to leave it as is and the bill failed But it was really interesting to I guess see how Uh, it was an opportunity for students to really get to the government and demonstrate the real life situations of how government decisions Implicate both tertiary education institutions as well as the stakeholders within them I found that during our campaign for the increase to the rtp stipend In a lot of the universities a lot of the focus during change from a student perspective is on the conversation behind closed doors within tertiary institutions and the Potentially negative aspect of that is that the university is in a neoliberal society a very clever at times In closing off because the issue may transcend their individual Institution and it may be a government problem We can't do anything about it. It's the government and that's the best we can do And so what really taught a lot of the students that I speak with about this is that if you are an Australian citizen It's really important to consider your constitutional right as well as arguably Obligation to engage with your network change in both the democratic sense with your members of parliament But also recognizing that the institutions at a university level in Australia are very clearly regulated by government and changes in government Do have clear changes for universities as we're seeing constantly in the current circumstances But it isn't just about being an Australian citizen It's also about recognizing your citizenship within the university itself So if you're a student you are in my view a stakeholder in that university And you do have the right and obligation to partake in those very similar democratic attitudes and behaviors And your voice no matter who you are domestic or international or otherwise Still have the right to speak up and if the universities decide to silence you It is always your option or choice not to be silenced And so I think we're very privileged to be in a democratic country, but our universities Fundamentally, I would believe Democratic as well. They don't always act like it, but I think it is fundamental to the nature of society So I guess that's a bit of a long-winded way of saying it's a pity the building passed Can only try No, that's fantastic and that concept of a citizen of the university is a really interesting one to probably unpack You know as individuals as we go back into our own organizations as practitioners or even as a student to understand what that means So thank you Question now for Bailey So In in some of the sessions in SVA you've referred to yourself as not being a quiet voice So reflecting on your experience starting and leading the students with disabilities leadership collective through the SVA What advice would you give to students who represent quieter voices? I'm gonna Kind of ignore a little bit of that question with the the SVA part because I think that is still kind of getting up and running Um, and I can answer the question much better if I use my time at university and sorry to the room um So I kind of remember when I said that and And the thought that I was having at the time was that I feel like I'm constantly talking I don't shut up Um when I'm in meetings, I'm like things will come up and I'll say well actually no You can't do that because it's not going to be accessible Or you can't do that because it's going to be transphobic or you can't do that because you know and it's it's just seems to be constant um but I despite being obnoxious at times definitely Um and stubborn for sure. I um, I don't feel like anybody's paying attention half the time Um, certainly not the people that need to be so So, yeah, I think I'm going to turn that around a little bit and say well Yeah, I can be shouting and I do sometimes quite loudly and obnoxiously um but I think we have a real power problem in our universities um So, yeah, we need to work on that a little bit So what was the second part of the question again? So what advice would you give to the advice? Yeah, so The advice bit would be to I don't know. I don't know. I don't have any advice really I'm flying by the seat of my pants here most of the time And I think that's probably it is that we are all flying by the seat of our pants If we knew how to do this we would have done this You know decades ago And that's probably the thing none of us. I think probably know how to do this, right? That's why we're here. We're trying to learn So be careful with yourselves be gentle with yourselves to the ones Who are fighting the good fighter students in the room? And to the others I know we heard four really good words this morning But I've always had another four words in mind and that's don't be a dick Um at the end of the day like when you're in those meetings when you when you're talking about Minority student groups etc.  I think that's a gem if everyone just writes that down as one piece of information you take back from this conference that would be amazing um Shelly might go back online and a question for you Shelly and Realizing we only have 15 minutes. We do have some other questions, but probably take some padlet questions if we have some after this one um So Shelly, uh, so you're 30 years into your academic and professional career What would you say to practitioners who are only just starting? What are some kind of tips to maintain balance in you know, whether it's their leadership roles or their or their staff roles? Yeah, what some advice for those practitioners are starting out Thank you so much. Um, I am actually going to take Bailey's a patron Bailey's book and Slightly tweak the question knowing that we're we're running short of time and I do have some advice so it is 30 years of experience and advice, but I'd like to tweak this channel this into how to get exec to listen I am very fortunate right now to be on executive and I try not to be a dick and And here is what I've learned and um, I learned this First and foremost through bond university where I've had the highest success in really working Hand in hand with the student leaders So a lot of this comes from what worked Just before I get to that though, I want to let you know what I'm working on right now And what many of us are working on right now So the government the new government of australia Turned the job ready graduates element of the legislation of the 50 completion rule So many of you will have known about this and so the stick was on the students. It said if you can't Complete 50 percent of your units once you've attempted 50 percent of your units We're going to take away your csp funding So the stick was on the students the new government came in and said we're going to take that out of legislation And instead we're going to give the stick to the universities So now universities a new consultation paper came out and so we're all now busily Hopefully doing it hand in hand with our students, which is what we're doing at un e But building a student support policy and a student support plan Which says these are the ways that we identify our students who are struggling And these are the supports that we make available to them to make sure that students are successful And the government as I was saying the stick Is that in if you haven't if you can't prove that you've bent over backwards to support The students that you've enrolled then there's close to a 20 000 fine per student to the universities So the first way to make your executive listen is to put something In for something to be in policy So to align what you want to happen with what the university has to do because it's a government Legislation or policy and it's it's about money. It's about the budget. But here's so here's five more pieces of advice for me number one is Remember balance and so again as Bailey said be gentle with yourselves So before I get to how to get executive to listen Prioritize your studies Make sure that you are getting what you need to get out of this equation And and that you are making sure about what's in it for me. So before I get to the other advice keep that first and foremost Know your boundaries and put yourself first Second is focus. So, you know, like with the 3 m t the three minute thesis or the elevator pitch or what have you Have a strong narrative Know what it is and focus it in so make sure you've got your key point And don't let people get distracted Don't distract yourself by going off on tangents stay very focused and zoomed in on what it is that you want to achieve What you want to get out of it the third point is that there's power in numbers So even if it's just your student association or your student council or whatever you call yourselves That's not enough to make the executive listen What you need to do is show a rigorous methodology about how you have Canvassed the student voices and you're bringing together a powerful student voice So have you had focus groups? Did you do a survey? Did you do a person on the street type of Canvassing? So, how do you know that this is what your student body wants and that they're behind what it is that you want to do The fourth thing is to do that through a research methodology. So decide again, is it focus groups? Is it a survey? Is it and how have you interpreted those results to bring them forward so that you're bringing your forward Your message saying this is what we want and this is how we know that we want it This is the power of the people and the fifth is to be part of the solution so making sure It it doesn't work as well when the executive are hearing, you know, there's a town hall and people are complaining about We're unhappy about online invigilation. We're unhappy about the assessment feedback. We're unhappy about the What are we going to do about it? What are your recommendations for change and how are the students going to be part of it? so as I mentioned part of The success that I had was at bond university and one of the things that we did The students themselves said We feel that there's not enough closing the loop for example on the student evaluation of courses and teaching So, you know those surveys that you fill out at the end of every trimester at the end of every unit or course that you've completed And you go, where did that go just off into the ether?  So they said we want this to change. We want to know what people are doing with our feedback and so We work together and they said the first thing that they needed to do is make sure that all the students were filling out as much as possible All the students are filling out those surveys and then we're closing the loop on it So we worked hand in hand and it was the students themselves who recommended and advocated and lobbied for the changes And we ended up with 95 completion rate of those surveys And on the top on the learning moderation management site. So on every unit site There was a clause that said here's what you said. Here's what we did Here's what we've changed about this unit from your feedback So there's a real success story about the way in which we can make changes together in partnership with students that make executives stand up and listen Thank you. Perfect. Thank you very much. Shelly We've got some time for some questions from the audience. So we might start online With the padlock questions Thank you very much. Thank you very much For the panel and I am really sad that we only dedicated one hour to this. It's a lesson learned on my behalf Maybe next year we'll extend this we have quite amazing questions online and I I do encourage everyone to look at the padlock at the later date and at least to internalize the questions or even started conversation as well and I Might we might have time only for one, but we'll see how we go. So I'll read So the title is loud versus quiet voices and so it starts with With this We all know there is a growing diversity in student cohorts One challenge to allowing everyone to have their say is that some students or student groups are excessively vocal in the giving their opinions How can a balance be struck in allowing all students to speak also Limiting those who might try to dominate or even monopolize the various forums We might try to get a practitioner's response and a student's response. Is anyone want to wrap A response in 30 seconds for that Jonathan I think in just really brief 30 seconds um I think it's about valuing each voice But I've I've personally never raised my voice And I think it's important that people come together as collaborators on challenges rather than It is us and them and that is particularly why so many challenges that perpetuated within our tertiary systems has been around Collectives against collectives when in fact we are all working together and I think this argument around diversity is Is sometimes overheated around identities of individuals when in fact we we do have differences But it's differences that we value rather than the diversity explicitly as being An issue that needs to be fixed and Ah, gosh in 30 seconds. It's a lot harder for me to say that It's I really fundamentally don't think we need to raise our voices We can all speak and all share experiences without necessarily silencing others and the quieter voices have to be uplifted at times and the loud voices have to be brought down At times without necessarily silencing That's my only perspective in being in very heated discussions on campus But still always positive outcomes because it's unconditional positive regard for each individual rather than about whose right or wrong Perfect. Thanks, Jonathan. Any of our practitioners or Bailey any other comments on that? Oh, shelly's hands up Can I give you just one um one quick strategy that I like to use? Is a buddy system so always making sure that there's um at least two students Together and that if if you know that somebody is is quieter and still waters run deep It's to have a buddy system and so that the other person will advocate Um, and the person will say, you know, I've noticed that this person Or that will nudge them and say to them that they're quiet or they'll advocate for them to come forward This works. Um, even when it's not a quiet voice, but in it in a teamwork or a group work situation Pairing people up so that if they notice their buddy hasn't talked for a while They'll invite them forward to do so Thanks, shelly might have time for one more question. I don't know from maybe from anyone from the audience in here Oh Lucy Trinette's going to throw that microphone for you. No I was reflecting as we listened that there's a lot of progress being made in individual institutions or pockets within individual institutions But as a sector the discussions we're having haven't shifted I've been out of academia for three years and we're having the same conversations three years on as I was having when I started 15 years ago Do we pay students? How do we integrate what they say? How do we get them to you know get in the room and be heard and I'm interested to hear the panels Particularly I think maybe Bailey and Shelly Um, what's the kick up the bum that our sector collectively needs To really shift the paradigm away from what we've been banging on about for 20 years Stop the tokenistic bullshit So often we have like a disabled person in the room or a trans. I'm trans.  I'm disabled I am first nations woman um So often we have that one person in the room and it's a token. That's it That person is given zero power At all there's nothing they're not listened to they're spoken over It's there to tick a box to say hey, we had the undergrad rep on the panel Hey, we had the indigenous person on the panel. We had the disabled person on the panel Unlike the token Crip in every room I'm in um Stop it Actually listen to the people that are speaking and screaming and saying hey, this is what we need To succeed. This is why we're here. We're trying to do great things and be great things and Live our dreams out and you guys are stomping all over it. Stop it Thank you very much. Shelly anything to add on that?   I think you know something with my research into seeing beyond blindness um One of the things that really stuck out to me is um, okay So you brought um a blind person on to the committee. Congratulations. You've met one blind person You know, it doesn't mean it just what Bailey was saying So I I think it comes back to what we heard earlier from Jonathan and others about being a citizen and not being bystanders and that It takes all of us. Um, and that when you look at the movements that have um progressed um cultures and understanding and and brought greater awareness and participation and contribution It's when people have actively come together and been really focused on the change that they want to see and then being part of that change Yep, Jeff Just really quickly. Um, I think one of the things and this is just being very practical and very realistic, right? I think if um You don't have the inherent power yourself you need advocates or allies Who have who for whatever reason? Currently are perceived to hold that power And so you need to partner up You need to partner up with someone who does have the power and again that may not be the long-term solution It may not be the best solution But it's the way in which you'll get things done I'm sorry. Just a point. You're right. No. No. I say I do talk a lot. No, that's okay Before we kind of move on. I do just want to say like I have said a lot of things um in the last hour but I The people that I work with are great people And I'm fairly certain that nobody would be in this room if they didn't care um, so even with all the things that I've said I do want to acknowledge that um As angry as I get and as frustrated as I get and as as much as I swear um at everything I do also see um Beautiful souls. Yeah in each and every one of you. Um, and I do appreciate all of that Um, I really want to not do a but but there's a little bit of a but um Being a nice person isn't enough at the end of the day, you know You can be the greatest nicest person But at the end of the day, we also need you to kind of do your job and help us out a little bit because we're really struggling But keep the beautiful because I like that too. That's really awesome Thank you. No, that was a really lovely point to end on And if we can all go out, you know back to our institutions and be advocates and and find the people that have the power to make the Change, you know, I think that's what we're all here for so Thank you to to everybody from the panel those that joined us online and and those in person I really appreciate your openness and your honesty and your you're well thought through answers. I think hopefully people have Got something out of the today's session We are going to move on to the final session for today, which is the explorative workshop So we'll engage those uh, those brains again for the last session for the day So those who are with us online, there'll be The next zoom session that you'll need to join in the program And they're just going to be shared in the link as well I believe from ana And for those in person will be here So if you want to take a quick break if you need to go to the bathroom if you're in person And uh, congratulate the panel