Good evening everyone on this wonderful summer day. I don't know how hot it got, but it got hot. 92 in Burlington. Was it really? Wow. Yeah, tied the record. Wow. We had 88 here and Wayne's brother lives in Woodstock, Georgia. They had 75. Wow. Both figure. I think it's backwards. Yeah, absolutely. Upside down sideways. All right, so let's get started. I'll call the meeting to order at 703 according to my computer. Public comment for items not on the agenda. And additions or changes to the agenda. All right, hearing none. Thank you, Bill and Kathleen for joining us. Kathleen and Bill wanted to give us an update on their hazardous waste facility project and reopening in the pandemic here. So take it away. Well, thank you very much for hosting us this evening. I'd like to just do some updates and Bill, please join in at any point and if you'd like to add. So, as you all may know, CVS at UMD Center Vermont Solid Waste Management District has had a goal for some time to have a household hazardous waste facility. And it's our number one requested item that here from the public for a year round facility that would read some services for people who have hazardous waste at any time of the year. This meeting is being recorded. All right. Okay, I don't know who that is. So we know that there are made benefits for having this facility and the state of Vermont with the universal recycling law and the state plan that recognized that central Vermont is one of the parts of the state that really needs this facility. So we received a $500,000 earlier this year from the state of Vermont and our Board of Supervisors has committed $594,000 in reserve funds for this project. We expect it would be about $1.2 million to get the facility operational built and we expect that we'll be ready and have the open for business by spring 2022. We do have a gap on secured funds and we are in the process of having fundraising to build funds. We're looking at very monthly area for the location of the facility and right now we're still in the planning phase but we do have a committee. We have a committee specifically charged with helping this move forward within our board structure and we would probably not hold the events. Right now we have five seasonal events and once we have the current facilities, for instance, may act older than that in very town, it's kind of failure because people can easily get a facility itself. So I wanted to let you know about that possibility that we wouldn't have as many local events but we have a better facility for convenience. Bill, did you have anything you wanted to add? No, I thought that was thorough. The thing I would describe is for the slick board's benefit is some order of magnitude of what household hazardous wild waste costs the district. Three years ago, 41,000 pounds last year, 57 this year, 84. So it's doubled in three years and with COVID and people unable to unload things, what we are imagining is going to be a fairly significant pulse. It's just we need to continue the sport hazardous events until this facility is built and the need is there. Kathleen said number one on surveys of our member town residents and what they want. Thank you. And I wanted to give you some good news because of COVID-19, we basically had to put all our seasonal events on hold and we now have gotten to go ahead with our fallen contractor and move forward. So in fact, we will be having the five events. The only one that hadn't changed the date is very town. So that's going to be on August 1st, but we begin first in Cambridge on June 6th then we go to Hardwick on the 11th of July, Bradford on August 15th and we wrap up in Montpelier in late September. Nothing goes awry. That's our expected schedule. In terms of COVID-19, it's possible that there would be some new restrictions, but we are not anticipating that right now. So that's one excellent piece of news that we've been able to continue with those because they are really critical to having an outlet for folks to realize their stories. So Kathleen, can I ask a question? Well, sure. Yeah, I was reading something on the LEED website or somewhere that because of C-19, some of the recycling laws that are supposed to go into effect have been changed or amended. Do you know what that is? Do you have any knowledge about that? Well, right now there have been two fairly active committees in the legislature, the House Natural Resources Committee and the Senate Natural Resources Committee, especially the Senate has had a number of days of testimony and some components of holding all the elements of Act 148 in place and then some people testifying to ask for some changes. And as far as right now, those particular suggestions are not moving forward. We fully expect that the food scrap and the infill ban will go into effect as of my first and all the other provisions of Act 148 will remain in effect. However, there is some continued discussion at Senate Natural Resources and it's expected that that will be discussed again in the full Senate that would allow variances to be provided by the Agency of Natural Resources specifically for COVID-related circumstances, whether it's a holler or a facility if there's some specific reason that one of those organizations or entities cannot handle certain materials or put their facility open because of COVID-19, there could be some variants for a certain small amount of time. Now that is what we expect might be brought forward by the Senate Natural Resources. There's been no discussion of that in the House. So whether this will proceed, get attached to another bill and make it through both chambers is unknown, but we're right at least there have been a lot of discussions about making changes to Act 148 and it doesn't appear that those are going to happen. Well, I was wondering about the plastic bag ban that's supposed to go into effect all I want. As far as I know, that's still moving forward, but different committees are starting to take testimony of the Senate Finance in terms of some of the dollars implications in relation to COVID-19. So you're right, that's still being played out. Okay, thank you. Anybody else have any questions for Kenneth Liener and Bill? We know that our ARC facility in Berry City reopened last week for certain materials, paint, batteries, bulbs, computers, and TV electronics, and food scraps on a mission basis. We've looked and made it in summer to open up the ARC to the VAT, the much larger set of materials that we accept there, but for right now we're really focused on universal waste items that I just listed. So we're glad that we're open and available to the public for that. We've also been having curbside sales of compost equipment, and those have been very well received, so people can do backyard composting. That is listed on our website, those dates, www.cvsw1d.org. We have a couple more of those yet to go, and we'll schedule additional ones this summer. But our office is closed, so the option of people coming in to pick up compost equipment is limited. Really, these curbside mats are the way that we're able to reach out to people. Those are held at the Berry facility, not at the office. Kathleen? Yeah. John, very good night. The hardwick event, that'll be held where? Town garage? The HHMU? Yes. That's in the morning? Nine to one. Okay. Would you take complex fluorescent bulbs there? No, I'm glad you asked that. We are not going to be taking any materials that normally we would accept on the side because of COVID-19. We're just going to do household hazardous waste. Does your arc take old compact fluorescence? Yes. Okay. That would be something that you could start bringing now. Great. Thank you. May I follow up on John's inquiry? Any co-op member can also drop her bulbs off at the co-op office with advance notice because we are not open to the public, but we will accept those. You're talking to the question to like your co-op, right? Right. Thanks, Bill. I'll just do it like your house. Think about your house, Bill. I heard what John's doing. Thank you guys for entertaining this update and we'll keep it posted. Okay. Anything else, Kathleen? I know that covers it. I look forward to meeting with you again in person at some point, but it's great to be able to discuss with you tonight and if you have any questions, don't hesitate to do so. Once we have a little better idea of the details on the case study facilities. You said you're looking at Montpelier, Berry, Berlin, right? Alrighty. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Good night. Do you see where Toby or Alfred are trying to come on? No, they have not logged in. Okay. I just tried following Alfred's various numbers and all I get is voicemail. They received the agenda. When we talked to Alfred last, we want to know that tonight would be the night for him to present his review of the budget and bring us some ideas. Here we are. Alfred's not here, but it's a road issue. As you know, the roads have been getting pretty darn dusty. Yeah. I texted Alfred over the weekend and then again this morning, asking him about, you know, is a crew, in fact, out with chloride spraying to keep the dust down? And he said that they had run out. I don't have my iPhone with me, but it was something like he, they ran out and they just got it and they're going to begin applying. I assume they are or will be tomorrow. Okay. And that's good to know because I had a call over the weekend about the dust as well. I think the normal practice is that the chloride spray truck follows one of the graders. Didn't happen this year. Yeah. So when do they think they're going to have it supply back on? Let me get my iPhone. I'll let you know because that's going to be something I'm sure other people are going to call about if this doesn't get fixed pretty quick. What's our, we haven't talked about this actively, but what's our tolerance for? We asked Toby and Alfred to be here. They're on the agenda between the 7 and 730 window. Sometimes we have folks come in well after their scheduled time and perhaps we've been, perhaps we've been too tolerant of that. Very lenient, I would say. So I'm just putting out there that. This might be, we should maybe talk about this at the end of the meeting and executive session because I'm not particularly happy about this. Right. I'm just going to finish my sentence that we read what we saw. Waiting for John. Oh, I see chance. I see a ceiling. He was there a second ago. They had some problems with audio, but I think they're fine now. Um, I don't know where John went to get his phone, but I hate to get Jan started and then John comes back with more info. Anybody got a good joke? Good joke. What dog else time? I don't know. Wash dog. Very cute. I learned that in kindergarten. And you still remember it. So it hasn't. Says we were out of chloride for a bit, but we just got a load today. So that was the answer. So I assume we're going to see chloride on the road shortly. Alrighty, could you text Alfred and let him know he's late attending our meeting that we asked him to be ready for? Jan, do you want to talk about the listeners and the grand list and what's going on? Give us an update. What you want us to sign this extension request. Can you tell us that? Well, in part because of COVID-19 and the closure of the office. The listeners could not do their routine work for about four weeks. And then we were able to negotiate a time where the listeners could work only on Fridays. We still have to as of tomorrow probably two outstanding inspections. We have had seven new houses to go see and we cannot do interior inspections. So therefore we've had to ask the property owners to provide us documentation via email. So far, I would say all but two, one, we have one outstanding yet. The idea is on this, we are supposed to generate an abstract on June 4th, meaning we generate this, we lodge the first grand list printing on June 4th, at which point we tell people that from 14 days from that point we will have grievances. We are going to be about probably two weeks delayed, which means the grievances will be two weeks after that. And once we resolve the grievances at that point, we can generate a final grand list, which would be used for taxes. So you're going to be two weeks behind. According to the state, we need to ask for this extension from the June 4th date. So how do you get interior stuff? Do you have them sending pictures or something? No, we have a checklist of a couple things that we send out, which is our inspection list. And we've asked the builders, well, we've asked the property owners and they have in turn asked their builders to complete that. And it includes things like square footage of what kind of heat, you know, we can go out and do the external things as to roof, but how many bathrooms do they have? How many whatever else interior, what their heating source is, we're relying on them to do that. And what we're doing is basically saying that in 2021, we will be inspect. Alrighty, any questions for the listeners? Yeah. Are you able to, I know that Friday there's an issue with using the town office, but your schedule is okay after that. You're getting the time you need. Yeah, right. Judy's been very accommodating. And we know that you're doing the new program. So we're not good at the end. Our gaze tomorrow is inspection. I have Thursday, I have other things and we know Fridays is so we can't do anything until next week to complete anything else because you know, everything that's going on. I know Judy's been trying to make a combination so you can get in. So that's that's good. The other thing to let you know is we are thinking of we have not totally determined how we're going to state this in our change of appraisal notices. We are going to offer the property owners one day to do a phone type of grievance. And whether or not we use Zoom, I don't know, we could just do a conference call. We haven't decided that or they can come in on another day in mask and go to the town hall. So we are thinking because of the fact that this is one at a time and we can stage it like once every 30 minutes or something like that. So we're going to give the property owners kind of the choice. We just know how that's going to work. But I do suspect we know we're going to have three or four grievances for sure. So, you know, we're just, you know, we're debating about how to word that and we've got to put that notice in with the change of appraisal notice. And we need it to have it well documented so that they know what the property owners know what to do. So you said, I mean, I think Zoom is a good option. It is. We would have to work this through Cliff and how we would do that. I don't know. I mean, we've talked about it. I've talked about it with Cliff in that we would have maybe one day and we don't know what the people want. In other words, we're sending out probably 60 or 70 change of appraisal notices. So, you know, of that, we don't know who's going to call in for grievance until they call in and set up an appointment. And so whether we give them a chance to say, hey, you can do this on the phone, at which point I can ask Cliff, can we have some Zoom time? Or do we just simply do a conference call and simply use the town call as opposed to the town office? Yeah. Yeah, I think Cliff can set it up as you've done with planning to you. He sets it up and you drive. Yeah, we can do that. So a question about the extension. This is to file the grand list. Okay, so that means that because we can't set our tax rate until we have, I'm just trying to think this through. So bear with me. We can't set our tax rate until we have that confirmed by the tax department, right? Correct. Okay. Because we're looking at our budgets and trying to. It's Denise, it's not only your budget, it's when you release it to a tax bill. Right. Yeah, I know you didn't let me finish. We're looking at the some savings, which would reduce the tax rate. But that's, and then we have to have how much, what the value of everything, of the grand list, I'm just trying to think it through. So we probably won't be able to set the tax rate then until July. Well, I would say mid-July. Yeah, okay. All right. That's good to know. If all things go well, I'm not promising mid-July. No, it's hard. I mean, it's hard. I appreciate all the work the listeners are doing to try to coordinate this. I know it's not that easy. Okay, any other questions before I ask about this letter? So this is just, we just sign off on this to say that we approve of the extension. That's all it is. And it's in the folder so everybody's had an opportunity to look at it. I should just state that that's a very broad letter from PBR. It extends an extension that it can go all the way to September 15. There's no intention that the callous listers will go to that far. Yeah. We need an extension to cover us to give us cushion time because we can't meet the June 4th initial abstract. Nor can we meet the early July final grand list. And I think we think we're going to be two weeks out. That's pretty darn good though. It's only being two weeks out. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, because this says an extension of all towns to August 15 is hereby granted and applies to blah, blah, blah, requirements of or transmission to the Department of PBR and also extend to September 15. All right. Anybody have any more questions for the listeners? No. All right. Would somebody like to make a motion authorizing me to sign this letter and return it to you? Who am I sending this back to? Jill Remmet, I guess. Yeah. Jill Remmet, PBR. Okay. Anybody want to make that motion? No, no. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. All those in favor or cliff? Hi. Who's next? Rose. Hi. John. Hi. Karen. Hi. And I'm an I. All right. I'll get this off to Jill tomorrow. Thank you guys. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Jen. I will leave. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being our meeting. Thank you for tonight. All right. So Denise, I attempted to call Alfred at his home number. Me too. His work cell, his shop number, and his personal cell. Yep. I did all the same. And no answer. Left voicemails. Sent them a text. Okay. All right. I know that Chance is waiting to talk to us. Where did he go? There he is. So would you guys all be okay to move Chance up and do CV Fiber after Chance? Sure. Okay. Chance, are you there? Got a text? Yeah, I'm here. I was trying to see if I was muted. We're actually about three quarters of our department is out at the car accident right now. So there's a lot of radio traffic. I was keeping myself muted. Where's the accident? Up on the county road. Oh dear. That doesn't sound good. What town? This one's in Woodbury. We're not in your town, John. Oh, so it's on the dirt road part of County. Wow. All right. So you sent us the contract for services for 2020-21. And this is providing the fire protection. And you had sent us a cover email. That everybody had a chance to look at, hopefully. You want to just give us a rundown? Well, yeah, I mean, it's pretty straightforward. It's mostly the same that we do every year. We break it into the quarterly prices for the operating cost. And the truck replacement fund gets paid July 1st. The one change was last year we had done the the capital replacement plan July 1st. And then there was some discussion about, you know, the financial hardship that placed on your town and the differences between Woodbury and Calis was basically Woodbury authorizes their select order to borrow the money whenever they have to pay stuff like this up front before tax collection. So you guys don't do that. Right. I went back to the membership and said, you know, it would be better if we waited until after they got their first tax collection before we bill that so that you guys could actually be on the right side of the ball versus the back side of the ball. We try not to borrow and pay interest if we don't have to. Right. Well, and Woodbury does that. They authorize them right at town meetings to be able to do that with everything that they have because we don't collect until until August. So they wouldn't be able to pay any of their bills starting for lifers. Right. So you're asked. So this contract includes payment of this for the volunteer fire department services. And includes the truck replacement fund of $31,000. The truck replacement is $17,850. Oh, something. Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. And the $31,000 for the capital replacement fund. $8,470 on the first day of each calendar quarter for the operating expenses. And the truck fund shall be due in full on the first day of the contract year. So that July 1st. That is July 1st. Yep. I'm just trying to understand so how much. So the $17,850 is paid on July 1st just like it always has been. Yeah. And then the $8,477 would be due on July 1st. And that would be due July 1st. And that's the capital replacement fund? No. That's the truck fund and the operating expenses. And just from the capital replacement fund shall be due in full no later than October 1st. The capital replacement fund is the $31,000. Correct. Yeah. Gotcha. Yep. So and that's what would be due October 1st would be the $31,000 for the capital replacement and then the second quarter operating expenses of $8,477 would be due also October 1st. And then January 1st it would just be the $8,477 and same with April 1st. Yeah. Any comments or questions from the board? This is here for us to see a first draft tonight. No. I think they're asking we received this in the email asking us to sign this. When does this have to be signed by chance? Well, we need to have it signed and executed by June 30th at the latest. I sent it to you guys as a draft only because I wanted you guys to be able to read it and have some time as I'm previous years. It hasn't really been given to you guys in a time. I want to keep moving forward with these gestures of kindness from us trying to be better prepared for you guys. Yeah. I know you do and I appreciate your patience. But if you guys are in agreement with this, then I will get the final copy, the signature lines, get it to you so it's dated for whatever selected reading you'd vote on it. And I can date it and send it to you guys that way and you guys can deal with it. Yeah. I don't think we're ready to sign it tonight. And that's exactly why I sent it the way I did. So you guys can talk about it. Yep. I think Sharon, are you waving your hand? I can't really see. Yeah. Okay. Chance, what are you guys thinking about in terms of how you are adapting to anticipate reduced budgets, tighter wallets, lower possible selects for possibly having to lower budgets? Have you guys talked about that? About what if anything that has to do with the fire department? Well, I think the issue comes back to is that, you know, especially I can't speak for Calis. I'm not a member of Calis, but we're very approved the budgets already. And that's what they've stated to pay. And unfortunately, for us, we are not a profit corporation. So our budget is based on the bills we have to pay. So there's really not, it's not like we can cut out the fluff fund in our budget. Our budget is where our budget is. I don't think any of us have any fluff, but S344, which was passed by the legislature, authorizing select boards to look at their budgets and see where they might garner some savings to help the taxpayers who are going to be hurting, you know, it's going to be harder for people, really hardest, you know, it was already hard. Now you put COVID on top of it, and people are really struggling. Oh, I know. Well, not just hard for the taxpayers. And what we're anticipating is that we're going to see reduced or we're going to see increased delinquency that we're going to have to anticipate. We will be smart to anticipate that. Well, and I think that's the, you know, obviously, there has to be some anticipation of that. But at the same time, we're not going to know exactly what's going to look like until the numbers start to roll. And I don't know how to not pay my electric bill here. I don't know how not to put fuel in the fire trucks to get to the falls. I'm assuming if at some point in time, the feds in the state and then eventually the towns decide what is and isn't going to be happening with budgets, then everybody down the line is going to have to, you know, figure it out. But at this point, I'm not, I am not able to decide which bills I'm not going to pay at this point. I have to see what's happening with everybody else. Yeah. Well, and like I said, it's not easy for any of us. We're all going to have to make some tough choices and not, you know, kind of hold their nose and make some decisions. We're not going to have a choice. Well, and that's exactly it. When we get to that point, you know, and I think we, I mean, the fire department, the fire department gets to that point where we're being told, you know, by the state or by the feds or by the town, you know, this is what's happening, then we'll have to figure it out. And if that means not providing services and closing the doors, then that's what it would be. I mean, I think I don't think it's at that point. Don't get me wrong.  So like I said, this is not, you know, this is the cliche now, we're all in this together is very true. Well, I'd like to say something. Yeah, go ahead, Rose. I think when we talk about the budget, we think about looking at areas that we can cut. I think fire protection is not one of the places that I would choose to cut. You know, I would cut sand and gravel and, you know, paint in the town hall and doing things like that. But when it comes to protecting the public, because if our house burns, we can't say, you know, sorry, we only have one truck and it's out of fuel or they needed a major repair and nobody could respond. So I would be in favor of agreeing to the amounts outlined in this contract tonight, no cuts for emergency services. That's how I feel. Very well said. I'm not, I don't think we're talking about cuts to emergency services. We have a capital replacement fund. That's for, you know, putting money aside to buy future equipment. Right. So that does involve the services. Right. Well, it does pay for one of the fire trucks sitting in the apparatus and it's also supposed to be purchasing with replacement airpads. That was was all discussed with the capital replacement plan. If you look back, you'll see that's exactly what that money was designed for. And that's where the was approved it. Well, this says 17, 8, 50 for the replacement fund. My replacement fund was for the two original trucks that you guys had purchased through loans or the fire department purchased through loans in the towns approved previous years. Yeah. Right. Now, the replacement fund was to buy the new truck that got a lot and buy things like the new airpads that need to be bought so that we can continue to go to fires and responding inside of fire. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's good to know. Well, cutting the capital replacement fund is cutting fire services. Yeah. So I don't think we're talking about cutting the fund necessary. I just wanted to put it on the radar that right now. I mean, everything, everything's on the radar right now. Everything. I know. I'm a taxpayer too. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I know you do. Chance, can you send us an email with that and writing of the of the reserve what we are calling the reserve fund? How much of it is is the replace capital replacement fund? I think what you're talking about, Sharon, right? Okay. How much of it and in a note so that we have it because my brain is not going to hang on to it even though I know you have it in your brain and I admire that. How much of it is paying for things you already have and have a built to pay and how much of it is I'm going to use the word reserve is is held in reserve so that there's a fund when there's a new need. That would be really helpful from my perspective. Well, I can tell you I'll send you the email with all the material I gave you guys before. But right now I can tell you the $31,000 of the capital replacement plan, which is half of it, is paying for engine one and the other money is going so that we can get the $120,000 saved up so that we can actually replace the SCBA. Is that the email you sent us for tonight? No, it's not. Okay. No, this was all in regards to the capital replacement plan. All the stuff that we discussed like the year and a half, two years ago, maybe. Okay. If you could send it again. And it'll be in the minutes too, right, Katie? Yeah. Yeah, right. And just pass it on to the crew that we really appreciate everything they do. We're very supportive. I actually did respond. I did talk to people. We had three gas fires the other day, one down in Eastmont failure and two in Cabot. And I let people know that you had responded to my original email and you had mentioned how much you guys appreciated the first responders. So that message has gone out. But I will continue to send it out because I think it's important for everybody here.  I don't think. Yeah, exactly. And everybody, everybody over your way is healthy. And we are, we are great over here. Woodbury and Woodbury has had zero cases. We've managed to avoid everything, you know, from the entire town. And just as it has a little bit of a catch up too for you guys, Paul and I are still working on our medical license. We are close actually to having the meeting with District 4 so that we can get our medical license taken care of. And once we have our medical license squared away, I would probably not add it to the contract this year. But next year, I'd like to add into the contract, you know, what your guys just say so that we would also provide a no cost, no additional cost medical response as well. Because right now you guys receive EMTs and stuff like that from this month failure, but we're almost finished with the cost. Well for some of us, for some of us, you are closer. And that's exactly it. And that's why we're trying to push this so hard is because there is, you know, we have eight medical responders right now, six EMTs and two EMRs.  So we have a fairly large medical school that's sitting on the side of the town line that just can't cross the line. Good. That's great news. Are you going to be, are you going to be asking us to buy an ambulance? No, no, we, I can tell you right now that Davis Place has an ambulance. It was long after I'm out of here. I have no desire to deal with an ambulance. We have an ambulance down in Hardwick. They provide an excellent service. They've got two ambulances actually. And I see the headaches. And I see the headaches for each month failure out of nowhere. Right. Well, so you would be able to come on scene to provide emergency medical assistance, but not transport. Correct. Correct. Eastmont Failure's ambulance or Hardwick's ambulance, whoever this course is, most of the time with the Eastmont Failure because they're contracted. Right. We need the ambulance and the transport, but we would provide the initial medical, you know, if we were first on scene, we'd have nine people there to help. So yeah. Yeah. And then like I said, that's not going to cost anything because we're already doing it. Okay. And there's no ambulance to buy or anything like that. So I'm hoping soon enough I'll be able to let you guys know we're doing that. And we may have to just put something in your writing saying, it's okay. We do that. For us to come across your line and provide that service. Yeah. Okay. We've got all the items. Yes, we do. We'll be doing that. All right. Anything else for Chance? Anything else you want to update us on? I'm just wondering if Chance in the Woodbury Fire Department has been successful at bringing the Woodbury Blackfly population to social distance? Well, you know, I don't know about social distancing, but they've fed themselves really well on my two lower legs when I was working outside last weekend. Yeah. Concerned. Yeah. Nothing has changed here. We do blood donations to the Blackflies every single year. They're a generous lot. I don't miss the Woodbury Blackflies. Most people don't miss them at all. Thank you, Chance. Maybe not a problem, John. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Chad. Thank you. So next up is CV Fiber. Remember they had at their... We had David Healy on last meeting about the CV Fiber letter. It's in the folder. For you to review, I cleaned it up and they had something in there about property values. I took that out because I never got an answer as to whether that was accurate. And then John had had some questions about the letter. They were in hopes of receiving that letter on my Friday the 29th. So we told David that we would review it again tonight and try to get it back to him. Has everybody had a chance to look at it? John? No, I did not. Okay. Cliff's going to call it up. You should be able to see it now. Does that look okay to everybody? It's just a letter of support. Right. Yeah. It's not committing us to anything. Well, and the important thing is that we put our position of support out there, so I'm good with it as it is. Rose, what do you think? I think it's fine. John?  My question was, you know, how they planned to see if they were plans to implement the rollout of high speed and would it be fiber to premises, as was originally indicated, or some variation on that of that? Because I've been hearing that they're the last mile they're looking at doing wireless or something. So, and that's what David Healy responded to. Right. He indicated, I think their preference is to be fiber to premises, but it could be they're evaluating wireless for the last mile or something. So, yeah. And my concern was, and oh, so David Healy did say we to get the thing up and running sooner rather than later they'd get the fiber rolled out and there is some fiber already out there as far as they can and then try to fill the gaps in the immediate more immediate term with wireless between the major fiber whatever lines. Yeah. And my question was, and it was a concern as well, fiber to premises is far superior to wireless. We had a big backlash regarding wireless from the retail tower that was proposed. Yeah, I remember that. And we know a large segment of the people in town, a significant segment of the people that in town would rather have fiber to premises because of the concern of additional rate radiation being distributed around. So, my concern was, and I asked David Healy if you guys filled in the gaps using wireless that preclude all fiber to premises roll out from moving forward. And he said that is not their plan. So, my recollection, please correct me if I'm wrong, but he could see where that could be create a lesson stronger. The incentive would be diminished. Yeah. That's my understanding. I think the letter is good though. We want this letter to go out. Yeah. Okay. So, Cliff, did you have a chance to look at it? Yeah. I think it's fine as is. I agree with any of that. I think we should go ahead and move to get it out there. Okay. Is that a motion? Well, it's ho, ho, ho, ho. Is there a way we can just underscore our interest, or this is my interest, to see fiber to premises as a first priority as a priority? Where would you put that in? Because it says high speed. I mean, there's a major difference between high-speed fiber and high-speed wireless. There's, I don't know if it's an order of magnitude, but. So, is that in the, is that in the, is that in the paragraph that says the new norm? Is that what you, is that what you're looking for? Where is this, Denise, point out? Like three quarters of the way down. The new norm is high-speed internet at every premises. I think it should say, our understanding is that CB fiber's intent is to deliver high-speed fiber, high-speed internet via fiber optic cable to any premises. If everybody's in agreement with that, John, could you send me that language to insert and then I can't, you can get it out? If everyone's in agreement with that. But I want the nuance, if I say, and we understand in your term that gaps may need to be bridged using wireless technology as an interim. I want to make it clear that what David Healey represented was in that letter. So, this couldn't be, this does not say fiber premises. It says internet. That's different. Yeah. Are you, is everyone okay with that?   There's a typo. Okay, where? Parabraph two for the address for my agency of commerce. Wait a minute. Let me get, let me get it out. Look, can you, can you do anything? I can't do anything with it from here. Let me see what I can do. I think it's supposed to be agency of commerce and community development. But it says AMP semi-colon. Oh yeah, I wonder what, oh that's weird. You know what that is, probably when it converted. Sometimes those weird things happen. I don't understand how that is. I see what you mean. It's up in the address. Yeah. Yeah, it should be my agency of commerce and community development, not AMP, not AMP. Hey Cliff, can you put that back up, that sentence? I'm trying to type in the revised language or an email. New, thanks, the new. Got it, John. Give me a second. You know what? I wonder if Toby may be at that car accident on County Road in Woodbury. Denise, the fire department was having their training or whatever via Zoom and it was tonight at seven. So he's with EMFD, but he's probably, well, he wouldn't be at that car accident in Woodbury. No, he's at EMFD. He could let us know. Yeah. Can we circle back? Can we keep going and circle back? Yeah, we can. Don't wait for me, I'm typing. Keep going. Okay, because I'm waiting for, we're going to do the Town Hall update. So Cliff, do you want to talk about the call-out system? Yeah, I definitely would like John to be present and ears on for that discussion. So maybe what I can do is talk about the RFP. Yeah, I'll talk about the RFP first. The RFP has gone out. So far, we are running it in the Hardwick-Gazette, the Times, I want to hear the Times-Argus, the Vermont League of Cities and Towns, their classified section is running it as well. We proactively send it to at least six different vendors and hopefully we will get some competitive responses. Given our situation the pandemic, we did let everyone know that it is subject to final and review and approval by the Select Board before we proceed with the project and we will be looking to have discussions about possibly completing it in phases as well. So not much else to report on that, we haven't received any responses yet. I believe the deadline is your 19th for everyone to get a response to us by. Any questions on that? There ain't none. Okay. John, did you finish composing your... David Sheets wants to be on by phone to talk about Town Hall. What number on this Zoom thing does he call? He should be able to call almost any number there. Some people have reported problems calling the New York number so he could try one of the other regions, but they're all full free. Okay, David, are you ready? Okay, let's try Chicago. It's one, three, one, two, six, two, six, six, seven, nine, nine. Yeah. The password is 591581. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay, so you got that. You got the language you want, John? I typed up some language, just sent it to everyone, and I forwarded it to Katie. Okay. Okay, it says the new norm is fiber optic cable delivered high speed. The new norm is fiber optic cable delivered via... What? Delivered via... Yeah, it's missing a word, via high speed internet to every premise. Our understanding is that an interim measure is that, as an interim measure, that until fiber can be delivered to every premise, some gaps may be temporarily bridged as an interim message using wireless technology, but that wireless will not permanently displace the full deployment of the fiber to premises for all users. So, via... Delivered via high speed, our understanding is that, as an interim measure, our understanding is that, as an interim measure, that until fiber can be delivered to every premise, some gaps may be temporarily bridged as an interim measure using wireless... That wireless will not permanently displace the full deployment of fiber to premises for all users. Where are you putting via? There's no via. The new norm is fiber optic cable delivered high speed internet. I think it's low, but it needs a bunch of dashes. If you... If those are all adjectives... Yeah, well, that's how they say it. Yeah, and they don't get dashes, but... Fiber optic cable delivered high speed internet. Yes, that's the term. Every premise, okay. That's the norm for that technology. I'm sending... I'm sending my version that Denise and I will be able to read.  It's just too hard to read that sentence, that's all. Let's look at what I just said. Can you hear my dogs barking? Yes. New norm is fiber optic cable. High speed networks. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. All right, that's a little easier to digest. And so that would take the place of that other sentence. Is everybody good with that? Yep. Okay, does somebody want to make a motion to approve the letter with this change? I'll move that. Do you want me to... Is there a second? Second. All right, let's take a vote. Cliff? Hi. Karen? Hi. Rose? Hi. John? Hi. And I'm an I. All right, do we see David Sheetz trying to dial in? Yeah. All right. Do you want him to do the call-out system, Cliff? As we're proceeding and nearly completing this phase of the restoration of the town hall, inching closer to that certificate of occupancy and start using the hall again, sometime back we had talked about the alarm system at the building, which is now installed and operational. If a fire occurred there today, what that alarm system would do is send out an audible alarm. And the hope is that somebody in the neighborhood would hear that and contact the fire department. It may be time for us to revisit looking at activating that system so that it would automatically call out to the fire department, basically place a 911 call and hopefully get a response a little bit quicker. We have made a significant investment and the town has made a significant investment. And I think we would be remiss if we weren't making sure we did everything possible to protect it. So if the select board is on board with this, I would like for us to pursue some quotes and find out what it would cost to activate that call-out system. As I understand it, it's already built into the alarm system. It's just an utter cookie to switch. And this is what Toby told us about too, right? Yes. I don't think it's to get a quote. It doesn't cost anything to get a quote, right? Exactly. I've been told that an estimated cost would be around $60 a month, but I have nothing to verify that. So that's why I think we should get a formal quote. Yes, I agree. Do you want a motion for that? I can make the motion. Okay. And consider it made. Is there a second? I'll second that. And I'd like to have a discussion. I think I seem to recall and then maybe just imagine this, but I thought if we had discussed that there's prospect of seeing a reduction in the cost of insurance on that building if we had such a system, maybe you were going to look into it, or would you suggest that we look into that as well? Yeah, that's something I wonder about as well, that if we do have this, can we get a discount on our insurance? The other possibility is we want to look at is if we contracted with the same company that provides the alarm services at the garage, could we get a discount? Yeah, that would be good to know. And also who does it call? It calls the fire department? I'm not sure if it's a direct call to the fire department, or if it's a 9-11 first, and then the fire department is contacted by the dispatcher. I'm not sure how that works. Right, so we don't have to like pick whether it's East Montpelier or Woodbury that gets contacted. It would go to Dispatch. East Montpelier and Woodbury are all dispatched out of Montpelier and go to Dispatch. Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, it's the similar, the school has it too, and the call goes out and it says please respond to an automatic fire alarm activation at Calis Elementary School, so it's an automated thing, goes right to the dispatch. Okay, all right, well that's good to know. Thanks for clarifying that. All right, are you ready to, is that a friendly amendment, John? No, it's not an amendment, it's just a discussion about how it works. Okay, and the motion is clear. Katie, in your notes, that all we're doing is investigating the cost and John's idea. That's not part of the motion, never mind. Cost and options. All right, I'm not sure what that is. Fundling contracts and stuff. I'm sure Cliff will do a thorough investigation, and this is just to get a quote, as was said in the motion. Yeah. All right, are you ready to vote? Looks like David's coming on board. Oh, good. Oh, there he is. He's got to do audio. All right, so are you ready to vote on this? Okay, Cliff? Hi. Karen? Hi. Rose? Hi. John? Hi. And I'm an I. So one other thing about this stuff at the Town Hall, because David looks like he's trying to get in. I have a call from... That's just, if you can hear us, we can hear you. I can hear you. Okay, one thing before you get started, David. I had a call from Justin McCollard. Is that the right name, Cliff? The guy with the Wi-Fi hotspot. That's correct. And apparently, I was going to try to put this in an email, but it was too much. Wi-Fi hotspot we had thought was installed already at the Town Garage is not installed. He went to install it at the Town Garage, and the road crew was less than happy about having something like that at the garage. Their concern, and it was a concern I had, but it was going to be short-lived, was that it would present... There might be some liability if people are driving around the Town Garage parking lot. And he said, Justin said, that he, after being there, realized that maybe it wasn't a good spot because of the huge sand pile and all the trucks and the graders going in and out, he agreed that it was maybe not the best location. He said that we could put it at the Town Hall and then move it to wherever else we decided when we were ready. And we talked about having it in East Calus, maybe at the store at some point in the near future. So he said something about, and Cliff will have to explain this, something about one secure and one open. Do you know what that means, Cliff? Yeah, basically it works as a tandem system. You would have one connection that's password protected and another that's for general use that doesn't require a specific password. So would we get both, or is he talking about us pick one? I would have to have that discussion with him. It sounds to me like what he's talking about is this system is capable of providing two connections. Okay. And then he said something about CVRS has the best new wireless technology with, I don't think that's what this is. Do you know what that means? It's probably a manufacturer of the device. I'm not sure. I know that money from Microsoft is funniness, but I'm not sure who's equipment they're using. He said something about Microsoft has kind of been trying to play the good guy and say they're going to do all this, but they're really not doing as much as they say. But regardless of that, he said that we could temporarily install it at the town hall. So I wanted to see what the board thought about doing that and then moving it at some point in the near future. Well, you know, that's got my vote. That's where I wanted it in the first place. And there was a reason that we weren't going to do that. And I can't remember now what that reason was. The only reason we weren't going to do that is because there was a condition that required that there not already be a public Wi-Fi hotspot available for the site to be considered that we could not already have it, but it sounds like they're willing to waive that requirement for us. Or they just don't know. We'll have to make sure we turn it off and take it out. That's simple to do. Yeah. It is on the public map, though. Not if it's an inaccurate map if it gets removed tomorrow. All right. So the system that is at the town hall is an antiquated system. If it was installed prior to the restoration beginning on the town hall and it was just reactivated recently. So there is some concern about the stability and overall security of the system that's in place there. All right. So should we circle back around, Justin, and agree to have it at the town hall? And then he said, after we get it at the town hall, we can do whatever we want with it. Yeah, I would support that. Yeah, me too. Okay. Is that a motion and a second? So moved. John, is that a second? Sure. All right. Any further discussion? All right. Hearing none, let's vote. Cliff? Hi. Sharon? Hi. Rose? Hi. John? Yes. And I'm an I. Okay. Now I want to talk about the certificate of occupancy. One of the questions I was going to ask Alfred if he had made it to our meeting is apparently there's two small outdoor projects dealing with handicapped parking accessibility and finishing up the outside work in front of the stairs that go to the second floor, you know, the one by the road. And John McCullough has been, was going to check with Alfred and see when the road crew could finish that up. Those are my understanding of the last two items that need to be completed before anybody comes to do a walkthrough for the certificate of occupancy.  If we don't find a place for our Thursday meeting, what I'm waiting to hear from Maple Corner Community Club, whether we can use that venue for Thursday's meeting with the union. And if they say no, we're back to the town hall because we really don't have any other choice. But the good news is, is that really everything is done. The toilet paper towels, holders are in, toilet paper roll, anything in the kitchen is nothing that has to be completed to get the certificate of occupancy. The elevator is working. All of those things that we, that labor and industry or fire safety would be looking at to give us that certificate is really done. And then David called, called me a little while ago and asked about something that is being planned for the upstairs and that's around mid June. So that's why I asked David to join us because he can explain it a lot better than I can. So what this is, is a local artist, Hasso Ewing, who lives over on the west side of town, conceived of a project two months ago and has been working with a group of curators and 65 artists from throughout the state to create a project called Shelter in Place project. And eventually, the hope is that an exhibition will be mounted in a prominent location in Montpelier. The State House is one of them. City Hall is another. And the College of Fine Arts is the third probable venue. So at one of those three venues, we hope to mount this exhibition of 65 eight inch by eight inch shelters that artists are making throughout the month for the exhibition. It's to be installed in a forest of red dogwood branches gathered from Calis. And Hasso needs a space to install the exhibition so that it can be appreciated for the month of June, virtually, since we doubt that any of the prominent locations I just mentioned will be online yet, until later in the summer. It will then move to that location. But what she needs is just a hall where it could be put together and made available for an online presence. So there would be no audience. There would be no anything other than an empty space where this could be appreciated. And her hope was to do it in the upstairs of the Town Hall. With Mel Emlin, me, Jeff Hewitt is part of this project.  So a number of us are members as well of the friends of the Town Hall. So Hasso actually started moving on this front because she thought that Artie and I had that kind of authority. And I told her to back off until we had a chance to bring this to the real authorities. That would be you. To simply give a green lighter, a red light, I guess, to our ability to use the space for this purpose. Questions? It sounds like a really creative project, I gotta say. I don't know how people think of these things. Cliff? Yes, Cliff? David, thanks for the overview. As you know, I have some background having attended other meetings where this was discussed. Hey, there's a fox in my driveway. Well, if you had your camera on and you turn it there, we could see it. I gotta go holler to Roger so he knows to watch the chickens. Okay. Okay. My question, David, is as John now been made fully aware of this and understands. Well, that's what happened without any conflict with what he's working on. Absolutely. What happened, Cliff, since I haven't had a chance to talk to you about this, is that Artie sounded out John and found that John had absolutely no problem at all. But then he put Hasso directly in touch with John and John invited her over to show her the ropes. And eventually I heard that she was already in the hall and already beginning to plan to move in. So that's when I asked that they please slow down and wait until we got a little more authority involved here. So that's where it's at. John has absolutely no problem. All of his work is downstairs. Okay, great, thanks. The kitchen. I think Sharon has a question. I do. So what is what is the town's authority with regard to this certificate of occupancy? Do we do we establish the rules for the certificate? Do we decide whether to have a certificate of occupancy or not? Do we whether there is one or isn't if there is one? Is it our guidelines that govern it? No, it's the states. It's all the states. Because of the renovations, they have to come in and make sure the elevators work in that we got toilet paper holders that are ADA accessible, that kind of stuff. Right. So I think it's the sign off that the checklist sign off that's that approval for using the building that and indicating after finding that all all the requirements have been met. So who decides that they're required? The state building inspector. So so we don't decide whether to have to require a certificate of occupancy. We don't decide what the the criteria are for meeting the standards to to get the certificate and we don't issue. Correct. So zoning permits require certificate of occupancy at the end. I think that's what you're getting to. I don't think we require that for any. That's not us. That's yes. What I was wondering is this because this is a commercial type building, a state, there were renovations done and upgrades made done. They need to make sure everything meets is to code. And that's what I mean, callous zoning regulations do not require the issuance by the zoning administrator over certificate. This is strictly state. And what has happened because of COVID, they're backlogged. Right. We weren't doing any in person inspections. So I was on the friends meeting last, I guess was last week and said that, you know, we could reach out to the state and see when they might be able to schedule this. So that we I mean, we really need to be able to start using it. We are very limited now on space. We've got the listeners needing to use it for grievance hearings. We've got tax sales on June 24. It's very likely that we're going to need to use it this week. Is there any in the alternative? Is there is the state looking at awarding deputy status to somebody in the town to make the inspection? What I was going to do was ask them if they would since it's only going to be used for town type, mostly town type use, would they grant a waiver until they can come out and visit the expected? Anything where my head is obviously probably is anything we can get in writing from the state that gives us the room to use it. That sounds great. But if we don't have that, I think absolutely not. So I'm willing to reach out to the fire safety department and see if it's labor and industry and labor and industry. It might be, yeah, okay, labor and industry. It's actually shifted. It's now at the Department of Public Safety. Right. They're quite right. It used to be labor and industry, but now it's public safety. So I wanted to, I thought, you know, this is obviously something the board needs to weigh in on. And I'm willing to reach out and see what we can come up with if everybody's in agreement for me to do that. Yeah, yes, I'm fine.  Yeah. All right. I'm sure Katie's got them in the minutes. And, you know, I also want to know if we do this, you know, is there any kind of a fine or any liability that the town might have? And I think I brought this up before because Sharon and I are mostly on the same page about this. I'm confused. What the other suggestion was, I mean, on the list was Dandaraj Maple Community Center. Yeah. And those two came up because of concerns raised about occupying a building prior to a certificate being issued. Why can't we have a town garage if we can't get the Maple Corner community? So I don't understand what the difficulty is. This is open. It's warm out. It's not just, it's not just this, John. It's also the grievance hearings, the June 24th tax sale. Right. But you're saying, okay, I thought we were trying, we're, we have an impending meeting in two days. Right. And, and, you know, I just don't get late here to. We might have to go to the town garage for our meeting this week, but the bigger issues are the other ones, the other ones coming up, the other meetings, the other things that it needs to be used for so that people can social distance. That's, that's the main push right now. But Denise, your question was, there's a penalty if we do. I think we're not, we're not, we're not talking about doing, we're talking about finding out when, what the state's timeline is. I would ask them if they can deputize somebody else. Yeah. They're a regulatory agency. They can't do that. That would be like, you know, A&R deputizing you to issue a air pollution control permit, Sharon. I don't think they can do that. Well, I don't, I don't know what authority and flexibility they have in these times. And that's, that's what we're investigating. Right. That's what we're trying to find out. What flexibility is there? I think there is something to the COVID-19 emergency and your needs and the fact that the state has a backlog, all of these things I would ask that the department would be working with you. And so I do think it would help for Denise to make an appeal to them. Right. Under those circumstances. But Denise, you want something in writing. Oh yeah, absolutely. I want some, so I'm going to send them an email and I want it in writing. Yep. Yeah. And I guess, you know, Hasso is going to have to wait. So if you could, unfortunately, it sounds like a great project. I support the project. Sure. But until we get this figured out, I don't, she cannot be up there doing stuff. And if you could relay our regrets. And hopefully she'll make sure she should understand. She works at the hospital. She knows what's been going on. Okay. All right. Anything else for David? Thank you, David. Thank you, David. Thank you. You're about to do work, David. And I think Linda also had me on the phone about, so if we're done with Town Hall, if we could skip, I didn't know that this was going to be something somebody wanted to weigh in on, but there's been some issues with Pertis Kahn's swimming access. So if everybody would be in agreement to jump to that, is that all right? Yep. I'll be back in a couple minutes. Go ahead without me. So, I had been in contact with Daniel Kearney or Keeney, or I can't remember how you say his last name. He's the new person in charge of the swim program. And I think I remember updating everybody last meeting that we weren't sure a swim program was going to go forward for two, for two reasons, because of COVID-19. And because they were having difficulty locating an instructor, it sounds like the main concern right now is the instructor. But I have had some input from the locals, and rightly so, that the swim access area has been extremely crowded, and will probably continue to be a real hot spot this summer, as people decide to stay home and stay local.   And we don't really have anybody or any good way to enforce any of that. So, Linda called and sent me an email, which I sent to Katie to put it in the folder with her idea. So, Linda, you want to have a chance to speak? Yeah. Hi, everyone. So, I love Curious Pond like many people do. I am a little bit worried about the entrance of both the going down the steps and also going over to the grassy meadows, because people in the past have been able just to plop themselves down in both those entrance places with their cows or their kids or their chairs, and then they stay. And then you say, excuse me, and you go into the pond however you can. Well, that's not going to be working that much. So, it's the entrances that I'm to the water itself that I'm kind of worried about. How do people get into it? And how do people know that they need to make way? And also in Curtis going down to the step area, do you all know what it looks like the access this room area? Okay. So, there's a path that goes down from the parking, but there's another path that goes around that there could be a going in and there could be a coming out to I mean, if we did that, so there are ways to try to help manage Curtis better. And I'd be willing to I'm not going to do it solely, but I'd be willing to work with some people on creating and if we could have some signages, you know, just saying like, you know, you can't stay in this area, you can have your chairs back here, you know, not all that, not wordy, but just figure out how to say it, you know, you know, and, you know, whatever the wordage is going to be, that people know that and then make sure that it gets out on front porch forum, the bridge because when that people from Montpelio coming, I mean, people are not going to Maine, they're not going on their vacations, they're here. And Curtis is a spot. Yeah. You don't want to take it away from them. But we got to manage the teenagers, they come and they think that the raft is all theirs. And so there's a lot of different ways how to keep it so we can all love it and how can it be managed better. And I know Katie, you've got some feelings about it. Go ahead, Katie. May I make a public comment? Yes. Yeah. We've been going every day because the black flies are so bad that my kids like are not outside moving. So we've gone every day for the last week except for the weekend because it was insanely packed. And it's stressful because the people that are showing up haven't thought it through. So sometimes you get there, it's totally fine where you get to the boat launch and different households are taking turns and making room for each other and you're just getting in and then leaving. Other times we were there one day and there was a group of nine teenagers who were behaving lovely, of course, but clearly no one had talked with them about what they should do when they get there to talk with other people. So as I tried to talk with them about what is your plan, they had brought food and donuts and we're having a nice party, but we couldn't stay with nine large people in that tiny, tiny spot. They weren't there to swim, they were just hanging out. And so I would appreciate there being a way that we could understand what the expectations are so that when we're there, I would like to know what to expect and also to be able to have a easier time talking with other people around. This is kind of what the town decided and so that the expectation is out there of how we're going to use the space. In number 10 pun, Mary Jacobs put on a whole thing of really strong expectations, but there's no parking you leave. So they're going to come to Curtis, because the puns are not working together. It's like, this is my way. I mean, so I mean, this is all callous, you know, and so it's sort of like, how can we help Curtis be a good spot for people? And remember that the number 10 pun access is not town-owned. Curtis pun is. Somebody suggested, I think it was Jamie Morby suggested maybe putting up no parking signs on one side of the road to limit the number of people that can park and go there. But that doesn't help with the people that park and maybe in the place where it's designated and then don't leave. So Linda offered to put together herself and a few other people that came up with. Maybe a few other people, you know, Burlington is putting up some signs, you know, maybe we can get some ideas from them, post some signs. But again, you know, we don't have the resources for someone to patrol the swimming area and say, you know, this is kind of what the state is saying you should do. So we kind of got to figure out what we can do and how we're going to do it. And Linda is willing to work on that and get back to us. And Katie just said she would work with me. So what if one other person, maybe, would you do that, Sharon? No. Maybe Jamie, we could get Jamie or some one other person. Right. Because research and I think get it in the beginning and we're not going to monitor it. But I mean, if we could make some statements in the beginning, it could be one of them. And there could be something posted. Where is the Curtis Pond Association that formed a year or two ago? Yeah, there is one. But that they did that, mainly, I think because of the dam. Sure. And then don't forget, and I just happened to think of this, we could, you know, the town has that reservation thing for use of the island. Given the circumstances, it might be this year we don't authorize folks to use the island because of the COVID-19. I think you're right that they formed because of the dam. But they did form. I don't remember what their bylaws are with their mission and all that stuff. But there is an association and it seems like it would be good for us to invite their leadership on a Curtis Pond issue. Is Heidi Thompson a part of that? Yes. Because I saw Heidi. Katie and I were there and Heidi came. And she was basically saying, I'm too busy for anything. If you want to be a part of the Pond Association, you can. Linda, you know, that's what she said. She wasn't interested at all. And don't forget, the Curtis Pond swim area is owned by the town. So, you know, while the Pond Association, you know, as you said, Sharon, could be helpful. I don't think they're going to do it. I think this is a town issue. And if Linda and a few others are willing to come up with some ideas, we could check back with them though, Sharon. Right. Yeah, you could check with them. But if we're going into July, by the time we get the signage, it's not going to work. Maybe the select board. Maybe the select board, at least in the interim during this situation, could impose a residency standard, residents and their guests standard on the Curtis Pond swimming area. One of the greater problems there, and it's been a perennial problem, and I've brought this up over the last decade and a half, I've been on the select board, is that, you know, I've been pushing for a residency requirement there for years. And I know I, Davis Charrington, pushed back against that somewhat. Yeah, I remember that. His family was a family that donated the land to the town. And I did ask Davis, were there conditions on the, on the donation? He said, no, you could do it. I just would rather not see that. But, you know, when we weren't talking about COVID, 19, 15 years ago. So I would suggest maybe we revisit that. And maybe if the select board's an agreement, we put a sign up. It's basically the standard we put in place for the island. I pushed for, and I'm pretty sure that's in the permit, that permits can only be issued to residents and their guests. And we might want to just do that. Now, who's going to police it? Right. But the residents could police it. They could say, are you a resident? No. Are you here with a resident? No. See it. Because comes the formal summer season, basically in it. Half of Montpelier either hits number 10 or goes on. And it's going to go from bad to worse. We had a sign up there that might do, you know, a couple of signs right there on the road, parking for residents this side of the road only and their guests. Use of this area by residents and their guests only. If you are not a resident or accompanied by a resident, please do not use this. This is off limits. I hope to do that. We can always pop the signs, you know, if things lighten up. Or we might just think that's a good policy. I just think we're taking something away from people that is really important. Well, you can't end up. There's no space. There's no space. And you're going to have half of Montpelier come. No, not really. Well, we do. We've had parking issues. We have a parking. I believe it's signed. No parking because every year we have. We've been dealing with this for the old time. I've been on the select board. Yeah. Me too. Well, what do you say that we Katie, I'm just curious if there's guidelines from the state. I called Wrightsville today and it's pretty intense. They're completely closed until they're meeting what they describe as what the state has set out for guidelines for them. They're going to be painting a square grid on the sand every day. And if you get there and the grid is taken up, you're welcome to wait in the parking lot and walk down to swim, but you can't sit or be anywhere on the beach. It removed all the picnic tables. They're not going to allow and they've installed like foot pumps for the hand washing station. It sounded intense. I was wondering if it's the same sort of requirements for a town swim area or maybe it's different. I did send an email to who did I send it to earlier today after I talked to Linda asking what the state guidelines are opening this swim area. I said it's a local swim area owned by the town. There's swim lessons there. So hopefully somebody from the state will get back to me. And they may have guidelines that we're not aware of. I've searched and searched and read all kinds of stuff. I can't find anything specific to this kind of situation. John? To underscore, this is a town property. It's used to town residents. That was the original intent. A town ensures it. If somebody, some family goes up there, not from town and their children God forbid get infected by someone else, not from town, we could be sued for not practicing employing best practices. In fact, we just now had a conversation that's a public word with the press visiting in on it. And if we just ignore this and the concerns that our residents have raised now, I think we imperil the town if there's another outbreak and one or someone attempts to point the finger as the Curtis Pond swim areas as being the place where a family member has gotten infected. And as Katie said, the state has employed standards, rigorous standards. Others around the state and country have employed rigorous standards for all kinds of areas. And for us to just not do anything in light of all these concerns, in light of all these more highly regulated approaches, I think we're asking for it. And I don't know what the league would think or league's insurance carriers would think about us leaving this open to the general public. The idea of having it just open to residents is you now shrink the pool of possible people, it could still get crowded with there still should be other measures, but to say it's open to all central Vermont as it traditionally has been is I think dangerous. It's not a big place like Wrightsville. What about running this through Jim Barlow? What's he going to say? He's going to say you got liability, talk to the insurance. I think we call the insurance company, we call the league and ask them what they would like us to do. I can do that. We obviously need some more guidance on this, because some places, I guess it's something I read there's restaurants are required to take reservations and keep a log of who comes to their restaurants. I don't know what Burlington is doing with their beaches, how they're managing it. They're doing anything like that, but they have a lot more people to help manage a situation and do some kind of patrol to see what's going on. Well, that's that's John, I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but I do I'm concerned maybe this is what you're saying Denise. If we say Calis residents only, then we have then it's going to we're going to be hearing from people that we're not policing that. And and I'm not saying that that's a bad I that it's that's not the way I don't there's not a great answer no matter which direction to turn. I think this is going to require some more investigation and thought. And I don't know, I mean, how I feel about being I understand John what you said, but to be part of exclusiveness is just that doesn't feel good to me. That's how it should be signed up for that's what I'm not signing up for. You're right, but I would sign up if you came up with something and Katie and some other people, but I don't know if I would say for town only I would just let's just. Maybe that's why I write right so close because. I think I just would have to think about it. Katie, can you tell do you know if could you send me the name and phone number of whoever you talk to over there? Sure yeah I just pulled it off their website. I know that they are they're setting up a whole online ticket buying thing to avoid that contact and so that it sounds like so that they know who's going to be there. Right. I'm on the Burlington Parks Recreation Waterfront website beaches are closed. That's it due to COVID-19 outbreak. I mean that's the easiest option but that doesn't help with people like Linda or Katie who want to go there and then you know if we close it and that means there can be no swimmers. So I was trying to find a way to get the numbers down to reduce the risk. I was suggesting during this crisis that we limited to residents. Yeah you know I'm done piping in. I ain't going there that's my suggestion. You can't have half the central amount come here in close you know line up like they're going to Costco and then say we're concerned and not want to keep them out. You got to pick you got to pick your poison folks. This is not about exclusivity Linda. It's about protecting everybody from getting sick.  I understand. I understand what you're saying. Yeah Katie. My final comment is that I felt really weird about going to my kids want to go to the places that we've loved in the past in middle sex and Montpelier to jump in the river even for 20 minutes and I feel odd about it like we go other parents with small kids see us and then they leave and it feels odd to leave our community to go somewhere else to get that. So from my perspective I don't I don't have an opinion one way or the other about telling people they can't come but it makes sense to me that we have a spot that's right in our in our community and I would more respectful to people who correspond is their backyard so they're getting their needs met able to be safe and boating in their they don't have a yard they've got these little waterfront properties. So from my perspective having a way that I can stay local and not be imposing on other people's communities is important to me too. Yeah yeah well it sounds like this is going to take some further thought. So let's put this back on the agenda for June 8th and do some investigation in between.  I will I'll do something I'm just I'm digesting it all because what I said I would do is contact the rights bill place and hopefully get somebody from the state to respond to the email I sent. And to John I'll contact the league and find out about what the insurance carries are expecting. That would be really helpful and then we'll have then we have something to work with so this is just kind of opening the door here to you know how to deal with the situation and it's just it's going to get worse before it gets better as far as people coming to the lawn and that's right. There's a there's a little pictorial on the Burlington enjoy burlington.com forward slash COVID-19 website and it says come to the parks to play for a while but please limit your time here and move on space without creating unnecessary crowding. We could also have a policy that says you can use it for 20 minutes and you're out of there. I don't know I mean that and again that would be really hard to enforce that right. This is going to be an honor system right and then and then if we do something like that just know that then we're going to get calls from people saying that well so-and-so was there for 30 minutes instead of 20 and what are you going to do about it and that's going to there's not going to be anybody to do anything about it. Well then that's what happens I mean the governor issued edicts and the press said just that and who's going to enforce it and the governor said and has said repeatedly it's an honor system yeah he has he went to the stores and some stores are pretty rigid like Aubuchon and then there was tractor supply and people are coming without mass and purposefully coming in your space and laughing you know and that's just the way it is so um but we you can't not do anything we've got to try right well I think so I think this has been good I think we have a plan to check things out see what we might be able to do and and so and so John you had I mean I was just thinking from my little person who goes there not as the government of palace you know and if we're not going to have the power to have rather the con for residents than not at all yeah so okay all right so we'll we'll put this back on the agenda for the eight thank you Linda thank you thank you that see yeah bye take care um can I ask a question is it it's we're almost at nine o'clock my I am turning into a pumpkin yeah I think we're almost done here I'm already a pumpkin yeah but you don't have to drive home so the only other thing um no driving well pumpkinated exactly oh I want some of that so we know that you know when the server is being installed at the town office it's this Friday um we talked about the wife already don't you know and we have a little bit of a scheduling conflict if you see my notes um we have scheduled the 28th the 4th and the 11th if we need it with the union and we also on the 11th have our quarterly meeting with the east not clear select board in the fire department maybe we won't need it for the other but if we do we're going to have to be done by like six I think we're going to do one or the other and then I think we got the I think the east not clear meeting is going to be important the end of the fiscal year yeah no that's not where my head went my head went to if we had is if we let them know now um that the 11th actually you know are bad we shouldn't have offered you that date well if we're meeting at four we can meet for two hours and then and then do the next little failure so anyways I just want to put that on everybody's radar we're not no we're not though Denise they wanted five five meetings no no no five p.m. oh right right five p.m maybe they won't need that for the other meetings but we can talk about it with them on Thursday and let them know about this issue um I just wanted to put it out there that I'm not available at four o'clock four five o'clock on any of those dates yeah yeah I said that last meeting rose yep um the only other thing I'd like to do is approve the minutes Denise what um I attend meetings of legislative committees via zoom yeah what I find most frustrating is I can only attend via YouTube and there are only certain select people that get invited which I find frustrating uh but we have the press here we have Dave Delcore on and Orca media and what I find frustrating is I'm not able to ask questions or get clarifications as a observing citizen uh at legislative committee meetings I would just like the chair to ask uh either uh Orca's rep or David Delcore and or David Delcore if they have any questions of us um or if they need anything clarified while they assume that they would weigh in if they had a question we're happy to answer any questions that we have okay if you have a question let us know you can either type or you can take yourself off mute and ask a question thank you we want to be open and transparent so can we I'd like to do the minutes there's only three um and then I'd like to go into um executive session to talk about a personnel matter for like maybe 10 minutes all right so let's do the minutes um March 14th that was that meeting we had on Saturday because everybody had a chance to look at the minutes okay I do not remember that that was when COVID hit oh that one yes I do remember that and I read those minutes and I made a few changes yeah I think I made a couple of small changes on those minutes and the other two as well but there was nothing really significant Katie always does a really good job I made non substantive changes to make it easier to me so with that is that I would make a motion to approve the 314 minutes um with changes as noted I think to Sharon and I probably are the only ones that made any notes what did you I did not but I kept them again today uh before the meeting and I'm okay with the suggested changes I would move to approve okay is there a second second Rose did you have anything no John I was not in attendance I'll vote to support him but um all right so let's take a vote Cliff hi John hi Sharon hi Rose hi and I'm an eye all right um the May 4th minutes that was a special meeting I think I made a few changes in there can you see them Katie everybody has a chance to look at those I saw your news you made a looks good note I made a few you oh this is actually something we should talk about on the May 4th I'm gonna go in and call them up I can't see them um I'm gonna talk while you do that so Cliff do you remember we talked about the RFP that night and I didn't go look at other minutes to see when this conversation happened but at some point at some meeting we clarified that the RFP we want to make sure that the the RFP is clear that the time retains the flexibility to not award a painting contract but I don't remember if this was the fourth or some other time but and what was weird about this one is we had this whole conversation but we didn't vote on it no because no because this clip was going to make some changes to the RFP um I think we voted we might have voted on it the next time on the 11th okay well I forget which meeting it was but I did go back um and go through the minutes to make sure that we had approved it before I sent it out so if we don't care then let's just leave my note in here on this one that we so we have a really clearly documented we decided not to that we decided that you know I'm saying that we that we made it we discussed and made a decision to add to that we did we definitely did I just want to make sure somewhere so now it's here and maybe that's not exactly the right place but at least it's okay that's fine and it was added to the contract or to the RFP I know it was just want to make sure that we that because that's kind of a big deal that was the most stuff I also took out the town of berry and was silent on where I don't not sure was even very tired in any case not all towns offered um remote access to records so I left that burden those are my changes all right so is there is that your motion to approve with changes Sharon that was my motion to approve with changes I'll second that all right um any further discussion I'll uh Cliff hi okay John right Sharon hi Rose you have to take yourself off mute and I'm an eye all right let's do the um um May 11th minutes everybody had a chance to review those I think I made some comments and on these I made some changes that we may need to have Alfred and Toby look at to get clear on like whether that helps to grant covers or are we applying for a grant to do it like it wasn't clear to me do we have the grant we're applying for the grant okay we can do these the next time then yeah okay yeah and then I had some questions on the um what's her the woman that was on the call that night Katie Phillips she hasn't been appointed yet to the Star Preservation Commission she would like to be but she isn't yet so okay so let's just hold those until we meet on the eighth Katie would you mind asking Alfred and Toby to read that paragraph from my edits and see if that's accurate or maybe you remember but we're not going to remember somebody's gonna have to ask them I can do it too I'm happy to email it to him with what I wrote it was as clear as I understood it while he was talking I believe that too yeah I mean I'll email it to Alfred I think it was Toby who was talking about the grants okay yeah okay so um I'd like to go into executive session like I said like 10 minutes if we can do that I would make a motion to go into executive session to discuss personnel matters for one VSA section 31383 at 9 or 4 p.m. and I'll support that motion for the second as long as it's as shortly as possible yeah I'm here Sharon needs to go home she's looking like a pumpkin yeah oh well how come she's wearing but she's wearing green not orange pumpkins have green stems oh okay I'm a lot pumpkin bye Katie I'm not everybody's here did we vote did we vote to go into executive session yeah yeah no Cliff you gotta take yourself off mute Cliff yeah it wasn't letting me do that I say hi all right Sharon hi Rose hi and I'm an eye do you expect any action no okay thank you welcome have a good night David you too good night Orca