Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger, a host of the Dare to Dream radio and podcast show for over 15 years. This show won the Coalition of Visionary Resources Best Radio Show and Podcast Award. It's been nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards for a Webby Award and is currently listed in Welp Magazine as one of the top best radio shows to listen to out of 20. So we're very honored. I'm very honored for all of those acknowledgements and for all of you who are here listening, following and enjoying this journey. And thanks for your comments, by the way, on YouTube and otherwise, it really means a lot. A little bit later, I'm going to be bringing on Serena Wright-Taylor. She's an intuitive Vedic astrologer, a UFO researcher, and humanitarian. And the show is sponsored by Dr. Dane Heer and Access Consciousness. 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Hello, Debbie. It's great to be here. Thank you for inviting me. It is my pleasure. And I want to just start. I gave an overview of what you do, but will you explain what is the work you do? What are the services that you provide out into the world? Oh, well, so many things. And sometimes I thought, you know, that's saying jack of all trades master of none. Sometimes I think that's me. But I think that when we are interested in something, we naturally do it kind of all the time. You can actually do that as your work. That's great. And and I've always been interested in Vedic astrology. And I've studied that for years and years. And and I originally was very psychic. Well, I am, but I was just doing psychic readings, so to speak. And and I would do and I used to live in ashrams. And I would do psychic readings with tarot first for my god sisters in ashrams. And then and then, of course, there was Vedic astrologers around because this is with Vedic teachings. And I would start learning from them. And it seems that my whole life there's always been somebody who would take me under their wing as teacher and help me to do readings. And then now I, you know, I still always learn. I still feel I always learn. And and I discuss things that are the Vedic astrologers as well. So that's one of the things I do. And then I also am one of the pursuers of the Conscious Life Expo.  So that as well. And many things at the expo, some of the entertainment and the food and, you know, we're just a team and we all meet together and we have input, you know, and that's really great. And I was doing that before I really was considered one of the pursuers.  And and then so some of the other things. So I've studied spiritual life all my life, trying to make progress spiritually and particularly you're mentioning Love Button Global Movement. It's a wonderful movement about, you know, doing little things of people. And actually, I was thinking today, you know, because even it could be a smile thing, someone to help them feel back smile, and it will change their whole energy, you know, and and then just doing the favors. It's all about things like that. Shall we give out love buttons as well? But I was thinking about something that happened to me a long time ago now. In my 30s, when I was it was a really I had really bad 30s. That was not those are not good years. And I remember once being at a at a mile and I was just walking in one direction. And there was a girl walking towards me. And there was something special about her. She looked very normal, but it's I just there's an energy field and she smiled at me and like an angel to cheer me up. But it totally changed my energy, even though at that time I was not very happy. And and it totally made me think, is this an angel come to help? But, you know, we can all be angels for other people. So that's another thing, you know, that I really like to try to practice. Those are some of the things was anything else you were thinking about. Karina, I understand that you received guidance in your dreams from a really young age. And you were just mentioning that you had been psychic. So what what was that like for you? What kind of dreams are we talking about? Oh, yeah, I love your show. It's called That's a Dream. I was thinking about that. I think a lot of my life is kind of things happened in dreams before they happen in real life. I think there's a lot of people have that. But when I was little, I used to have it experiences first seeing the universe. And and besides, I used to spend a lot of time in looking in ponds in our pond in the garden and studying insects. And I really love doing that. And, you know, putting them in jars and learning about them. And. And also, you know, the pond had so much life in it. So many different kinds of creatures live in there that are so tiny. And and so at night, I would often have dreams, but they appeared like dreams. But, you know, they weren't really, I think they were lessons. They were classes and I would learn about the universe. So I would see all kinds of planets very much like my husband Douglas Taylor's pictures, like like the one up here that you can see. People are used to those where there's a lot of planets in the sky. And I actually saw craft. I called them buses then because I didn't know about UFOs or anything. Buses going from one planet to another.  And all these and sometimes they were a little scary, but other times they weren't. And and it was as if my ceiling disappeared and became a universe. And I didn't feel like I'd fall into it.  So I began thinking, you know, the universe is like just like my pond. There's little things, there's bigger things. This thing's going to be in the pond down out in the air. So it's kind of like that. Amazing. And and I I realized earlier on that the universe is full of life. That was my first time. And then they say, sorry. Oh, please. Sorry. I thought you were done. Please go ahead. Oh, no, you're freezing a little bit. So. Oh, OK. I'm sorry. And then they started being like a school. So once I started going to school, some of my dreams started being with a desk and there was teachers there. And I still get those dreams now. And there's teachers that I never see their face. I know they have robes on. And I know their way to older than me. And I might have seen their face, but never remember it. So I don't know. And I don't even know if you could say that was a UFO. Oh, that's my spirit guides. At first, I was sort of, you know, it's a spirit guides teaching us. And we would, you know, we learn all kinds of things. And I don't remember them all. I do remember some where a really major big one, where I learned about how they were showing like a hologram of blood in the body and all the little cells.  They were odd kind of shape. And and so they were teaching us, you know, to like I started having juice.  And I think that's what they were kind of teaching me. But when I noticed in these classes and I'm sure other people have these because I've met people who had classes like this, you look like I could look around. It's almost like I could see at the back of my head. I could look around in the room and know that everyone's different. But I just love all of them and they love me and everything's full of love. It's so amazing to describe because I'm not judgemental. Just like that one about food, everyone would be eating differently. I knew that. But at the same time, I wasn't judging. It's a very hard thing to explain. But it was those kinds of dreams are so amazing. And when you wake up after having that, you just feel so transcended and positive, you know? So I try to kind of keep like that. And I know my husband had his own he's been on your show and he's described similar things. But yeah, and I repeated, there was a lot more to that dream that I repeated to him when I woke up, because that was more recent. Not when I was a child, that was more into in the 19th was it? No, sorry, early 2000s. But but yeah, I had dreams like that when at school and I learned things and their spiritual things are the things about healing or just wisdom. And and I hope sometimes I remember, but it goes in there and comes out maybe when I'm giving a reading on something, hopefully. Wow, that's so interesting on two levels. The first, when you're saying that, I mean, I love that you widen it up. It could be spirit guides. Absolutely. My brain initially went to this is past or concurrent parallel lives of you on another planet and your tribe is showing up still with you while you're here. It could be that, too. Yeah, it's so great if it could be a lucid dream and you could, you know, ask at some point, are you? What are you? What are we? I did ask a member asking a question once. And well, it wasn't really a question because I was thinking to myself that the guide or the teacher can hear you in your thoughts. So because they're speaking in your thoughts and and I want it. We were working on some healing and we're bringing our energy through. It's almost like through our eyes. Just like our third eye and aiming at person to heal them. We were in a circle and I thought, well, when I go back, I'm going to do this. And and I didn't it wasn't really a question, but they the guy did very strongly in my head. Said or the teacher, you know, you can do this if you know the secret. And the secret is to do it without ego. So if, you know, so when we come back, we try to do these good things to people, try not to have an ego about it. And it'll be more powerful and it'll work. That's what they would say. Yeah, that's so beautiful. I I know I saw you at Disclosure Fest. We are both waiting for food, right? Oh, yes, yes, we were. Yeah, I remember you saying to me, so I'm thinking about the vegetables, the raw vegetables and the juicing and all that. And I'm thinking about how you would turn to me because I think almost all the food there was exclusively vegan, maybe vegetarian, but certainly vegan. And I remember you saying you were so happy about that. So that dream, did that lead to you becoming a vegetarian or vegan? No, not that one, because that one was more recent. I became vegetarian when I was 14, that would be 1967. And I would already study. I've had a lot of dreams, not necessarily about food, though. I think about it a lot. But the dreams I was having, like I described to you about the universe and everything. I wanted, you know, I was following Buddhism at the time. I tried different kinds of teachings. I was just getting I joined the library. Of course, there was no internet or anything then. And I would get books not out of the teenage or children section. I'd get them out of the grown up section about philosophies and Buddhism and stuff.  And so and I really wanted to do that from earlier, because, you know, I had pets and everything I couldn't I could see. There's not really their animals as well. No one to eat them. They will have feelings.  But then I said, but I'm not a lion or a tiger. That's all she could say. But yeah, that's when I became vegetarian then. And it was great to see so many, you know, vegetarian and vegan trucks there at Disclosure Fest. That was really good. Yes, it's more and more prevalent for sure. And I want to make sure to harken back to something you said in the very beginning because it was just some video interruption. And you were telling a story. Your thirties were a very difficult time for you and you were in a mall and there was a girl very special walking towards you. Will you finish that? Oh, yeah, she smiled at me. So, you know, I was really feeling very upset and down and and I looked up and there was a girl and I wish she had brown hair and a jacket. I remember some her bag on her shoulder and she smiled at me, even though I didn't know her because, you know, I would think, well, I don't know that person why she's fine. And then I felt so like as if she uplifted my whole energy field and I didn't even know how to describe it that way at the time. And when she went past me, I did turn my head thinking, again, do I know her? What is this? And I didn't see her. So she should she could have gone around the corner or she could have been an angel sent there to smile at me, just to give me energy, you know. So, you know, we can be like that for other people. That's kind of what I was saying. You never know what people are going through. And sometimes just a smile can help and the nothing positive. And then they'll smile at someone else. Or you can do favors or say compliments. Just a little things like that make a huge difference. That is very true. I've had that happen and I've often sorry, I'm having a little cough here. Oh, yeah. I've often. Position myself to do that. If I'm in an elevator and I see something or yeah, I make it a point. It's always interesting to if you really smile at someone and they stare right at you and look away, it's like, hmm, it's a missed opportunity. Yeah, I love that because it's simple and it's a contribution. Yes. Yes. And sometimes, you know, I feel embarrassed to help people. I remember I was helping someone carry something up some steps.  Sometimes you feel, I don't know, a bit shy. I feel a bit shy sometimes, but I make myself do it because I know that really everyone's the same way that we could be them. They could be us, you know. So let's switch to Vedic astrology. I really want to do a deep dive here. I know that's your wheelhouse and I'm very open. I'm sure folks would like to know, first, are there astrological global patterns that are affecting all of us right now? And if so, what are they? Yes, they always are actually affecting us right now. And we've actually got past a really tough thing. Well, obviously, everyone can see that. But, you know, we had the virus and all that. And we also had the in 2020, at the end of 2020, Jupiter was at its most debilitated position. And this is in Vedic astrology. Jupiter is, of course, the most spiritual planet, the most the power of knowledge and wisdom and goodness, all good things. And it was in its lowest position. And then Saturn came and went and sat on it as well. So we had the conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter together with Jupiter, its weakest possible point. And what many Vedic astrologers called it was the lack of dharma, the loss of dharma, which is spiritual practice and knowledge and so on. So so that was really a typical time in it. And that was the 21st of December, 2020. But the thing is, it was, you know, that was the middle of it. It's like it was building up the whole time and Jupiter was debilitated already for the year. You know, but I'm just saying that was really, you know, extreme. And we're coming out of that now. And now Jupiter is very positive. It's in its own sign of Pisces.   They may be a little bit different in tropical. I know Jupiter's in Pisces in both. But like, for instance, Saturn for us in and this is in the sky. Vedic astrology is the same as astronomy. It's the same as if you were looking in the sky, you would see that actually Saturn's gone a little bit back into Capricorn. And it's it was in Aquarius for a short time. It's gone back. It's going to go back to twenty one, oh, sorry, twenty four degrees. And then it's going to go forward again. It's about twenty six now. It's retrograding. So then it's going to go back into Aquarius for January next year. Now there's a difference.  Well, Capricorn is restriction. Capricorn is like, you know, certain rules and having to follow certain rules. And and it is structure and all that and building structure. But it's overwhelming. And I really think that a lot of us really think that the whole time Saturn was in Capricorn, it was really what it was all about the virus. Something was giving us incredible restrictions. And so it went back in a bit. So some things have become a bit strict again and they kind of other things. They might not necessarily might be laws and stuff, right? That's been happening lately. So there's a bit more toughness there than in January it moves to Aquarius. And so that's obviously think of freedom movement. You know, it's it's so they both belong to Saturn. But Aquarius is much more progressive and moving forward and inventive. And all those, you know, more of what we think of Saturn as a progress in certain ways, but what's really good is Jupiter is in Pisces. So if you know your Vedic chart, if anyone knows that and you know, you've got planets in Pisces, it's your Jupiter is going to be with those planets for you and be helping. So if you look at your Vedic chart and see where Pisces is, you know that Jupiter is blessing that all year. And and even though it's retrograde, it's probably going back to something else to help you. So that's very good. And so it's good to know your Vedic chart because then and then, you know, when you have readings and so forth, you can know, well, this what's happening and why and how it but the thing is with astrology, I was saying earlier to you, you know, we can't just rely on what's happening in the chart in astrology in the sky. When's the world going to get better? We have to think about ourselves getting better and making that effort because that's what that's what makes a difference. The consciousness, you know, working on our own personal consciousness. And as probably everyone who listens to you, a lot of a lot of people listening to you might know about, might believe in reincarnation and how, you know, our consciousness is what fills our next body. You know, we improve in our bodies and maybe even in which planets we're on and the better planets and we can progress and progress according to our consciousness. So no matter what the astrology is saying, if we keep working on ourselves, then even when we have a bad transit, we can deal with it a lot easier than than if we're not, you know, we're just being pushed around by karma. I've had both readings, regular astrology, I have to say the Vedic astrology was probably one of the most powerful readings I've ever had. Can you just explain? You said, Vedic is based on astronomy. So then what is regular astrology based on and how do they differ? Well, they're both astronomy, but it's it's now there's 23 these difference because of the procession of the equinoxes. It's about 23, 24, 23 and a half. So so tropical and they both work, they both work. So it's not that, you know, I would say that everything's wrong with tropical. It's not it's just that I find it better to do Vedic, but they both work. And there's an explanation for everything that I just said in tropical as well. It's amazing. And there's other kinds of astrology in the world, you know, all different kinds and they all work very well. So someone comes to you for a reading. What is that like? Oh, well, I usually I do them on the phone. And so I get I just need the birthday and the place and the time of birth. Some people don't know the time and I can do it, but you don't get so much information as when you actually know the time you were born. There's so much we can see that way. And so then I work on the chart and we make a date to have the reading and the time and they call me. And it's an hour long after that you can have half hours if you want. But the first one's always an hour because there's so much to go into. So usually I have a lot to tell a person at the beginning because I studied it. And often on so on the in the astrology part of it, I'm writing notes. But then on the psychic part of it, I might be given a theme like I'm studying something and I'll know, oh, this is because of this and they're going to have that happen. And so and there's a thing, you know, and I've got to encourage them to do a certain kind of healing or whatever it might be. So it's going, coming in in two ways when I'm working on their chart. It doesn't mean only when I have them on the phone. But so I'll have loads of things to say. And I do that first and then we get into the questions because I always think that's why the person's called. They probably have one particular question or a whole bunch of particular questions. So I really want to cover those. And sometimes they find I have covered them in the first part, you know, when I'm doing that first half hour. But if not, we'll work on that. And and sometimes it's if it's about locations. I also do astrophotography, which helps to show because when when you're born, of course, the sun was rising somewhere and setting somewhere and Venus was was rising or Mars was on the mid heaven. So all the planets were in certain positions in the sky over different places in the world, and that's how we know is that a good place for you or not. You know, and it's you. But I always think, you know, don't just choose a place only because astrophotography is good there. If you love the place, if you want to go, if you're trying to move somewhere, we'll see what it's like for you. Or maybe you should be just a little bit to the north or just a little bit to the west, but it don't just go for only that reason. How detailed can you get in that? So, for instance, if I need to move within Southern California, Los Angeles, can you get it down to the cities that would be best for me or anybody else? It depends, because some states have no lines. And so don't worry about it. We just don't want a negative line. So because it's huge, you know, I mean a spot amount of space. So if you've there's three different lines I use, there's the the main different mid heavens and rising and so on. Like I was saying, then there's a local space lines which come out from your birthplace and then there's the parent lines which run across. And and the main ones and most important, the first ones I mentioned. So you might have a line there or you might not. You might have a more difficult line in one city and not in the other city. You know, so we can look at it that way. And sometimes, mostly, if it's like, say it's at Southern California, you might just have one at the same kind of energy in the whole part.  But sometimes it's one city, candy better than the other. And that, you know, you don't know until you do it. OK, what are people going through right now? What are they going through? What's happening with astrology that's impacting us? What can we look at? You know what I was saying earlier? I was kind of saying that earlier. You know, it's always important to make progress in some way or other.  But I think people have gone through a lot. And the thing is, we have to think, why am I here at this time?  But there's certainly a reason. And I think that we have to know that not just feel like to be victims, but to know what, why am I here and what can I do to help? But everyone's going through different things, according to that chart. So when you said what we're all going through, we're all going through different things. It's it's showing in different ways. Interesting. I just know sometimes when I get reports on astrology, sometimes it'll say it's going to be very difficult for relationships. There'll be a lot of stress or, you know, different factions of life and categories to the impact. Well, yeah, there's those things. Yes. And so let me see. So Venus just went into Leo, baby. So it just went into Leo. So that's good for, yeah, that's particularly good for Leo's. I think that really when I when I look at sometimes there are certain themes, like I said, it's very it's more spiritual and uplifting because of where Jupiter is. So I kind of said that earlier. And yeah, sometimes very powerful things will happen, or there'll be certain conjunctions and things. And I often put that out on a little update that I put out. But I don't do it monthly and I'm sorry about that. Keep people keep asking, can you do it? Because the thing is that I might be really busy and not have time to do it.  OK, well, you mentioned earlier, Serena, that your husband, Doug Taylor, has been on the show. That is correct. And he shared some of his really extraordinary stories of being on spacecraft, very positive stories, which is great. And talk more about your enjoyment or pull to the UFO arena. Because I know that you have investigated UFO sightings. Let's start there. Let's go to Rico Crop Circles. Tell us about that. Yes, I love that. Well, nowadays, there's not so many crop circles in in general. Most of them were in England, but they are in other parts of the world. And there was a time back in the 90s, mostly early 2000s to 88. We're really kind of it started in 1988, I would say, for a lot of us. And then through through the 90s and early 2000s. So there was a lot of fields that would appear in England, particularly in the places around Avery and Pusey Vale in the West Country in Somerset. There would be crop circles appearing and they weren't all circles. They were formations of different shapes. And and of course it ended up that some people were making them as well. But there's a difference. And so even though some people make them and copy them, so to speak, they were appeared that real ones were appearing. The reason I know that is because I was in some some times that you couldn't that you couldn't see any sign of a person making it. And also there was there was otherworldly kind of things happening. So so there was one at Waden Hill and and it's quite a hard pill to get up. It takes a while and it was a small circle. But we were there first as soon as it appeared. I can't remember which year this was. And and we could hear clicking. I feel like it's in the air. It's almost like electricity in the air. Like you'd hear this and it wasn't coming from the week it was in the air. And then on the ground, so the ones that are made by people, we call fake ones, there's usually a fall in the middle where they put a stick and then they would have a rope and they would go around, make a circle and then put the stick somewhere else and make another one. And also they would go one way to the outline and another way and fill it in. So there was these different things you'd see. Also, when it's a person and if the wheat is green or some of its green, you would see white lines where the piece of wood would go down and smash it. And see this white line go across. So all those things were not in this circle. It was waves. It was like an ocean almost and the clicking. And I thought, this is a real one and and you feel really amazing.  There's a bigger circle. And and they went, we're saying, but this one's real. We really think it's not real when they wanted to see a bigger circle. It was funny. But then right after that, we went to another one. And I think it was the one that was the being that it was something shaped like a shape like that. And it definitely wasn't real. There was a researcher in the field before, just as I came in, he said, no, it's not real. So actually, I turned around and went out and went to another one. Because, you know, that's I don't really need time. One that's not in salmon, one that's not the real thing. But yes, so in other words, I'm just trying to say, there was a lot of real circles that have we don't know, you know, they may be made by the white balls of light. There was one ball of light in a photo I took of us. And it was of a circle that wasn't real. But it was as if this light being was there looking at what we were doing. And another time someone, one of my friends, got a picture or a video of the ball, a little ball of light going around a circle. And it wasn't making it had been made already. But it's amazing. I have the video and that wasn't widely published. But then other people have also had videos of balls of light making circles. And some of them are real. There's also one with a helicopter where the ball of light it's kind of chasing the ball of light. So that's another really interesting thing. So those things are going on along with people making them as well. So it's amazing to to be out there at that time. But we just don't see it. I just came back from England and I heard there was one. But I had appeared. But I didn't really go and check it out because I just like to kind of go to some of the sacred sites, do some meditation, but most of the time, you know, explore other things there at the moment, because you can't be in those days before you knew that if you went to a B and B and A free and you were there in July or August, you just knew there was going to be a crop circle or two or more. You just knew that. And then so you're saying, oh, yeah, Puerto Rico, I love it. Yeah, it's amazing. I like to really where are the crop circles in Puerto Rico?  No, not crop circles, but UFOs. You said UFOs, okay. Yeah, yeah. So I'm going, yeah, because she was saying, I'm sorry to change the subject. It's OK. Yeah, because she was saying crop circles and UFOs and what, you know, what's the latest. So I like to really research Puerto Rico because that is just amazing for people, you know, who have seen our experienced UFOs and fishermen, particularly. And our friend there, who is sort of the main researcher is Jorge Martin and his wife, Marlene, and they have, you know, a book and so on. I mean, a book, yeah, books they have, but they also have magazine and they interview people still these days. And the thing is that from a long time ago, even in the forties, the people who were exploring the caves, they were just that geologists. They would see the little gray beings or the little green beings, different kinds of beings that lived in the forest. And and one man actually said that he was guarding the camp when the the others went to explore the caves and there was little beings that would come and look at him from the, you know, and just stare and were interested in him. And they it was a little like the grays, but a little bit more like maybe, maybe kind of greenish, as my describe. And people go to El Ionque and they see beings by the waterfall, Elmina waterfall and then also lots and lots of UFOs have been seen there and sometimes jets have been chasing them. And there's a military, you know, U.S. military are there and I think part of it is because the ETs are there because there seems to be bases underneath and a particularly one that we would go, not the base, but we would go to the lake Laguna Cartagena. And way back in 78, there was a whole lot of things happened there where the I think it was 78, 79 that there were like there was smoke coming out from inside like kind of blue smoke. They would always see UFOs going to go in and out the lake. But it was as if the base was being expanded as if it's like it it must have been made larger because it was like earthquakes would go on and things like that. And then people started seeing the little gray beings walking around and they would walk around, you know, at night or something because they seemed to be exploring and learning about the place. Maybe they just arrived and the people who in the village nearby didn't mind at all. They were a little bit scared at times. But yeah, but then, of course, military had to try to keep it secret. So they were, you know, cordoning off the area, but things like that happened. But we always like to go and see who has maybe had an experience lately. And you can usually find someone and what he helps us and we go with him to interview some witnesses. It's really fun. So we want to go next year because of COVID we haven't gone for a while and also before that we were doing other things. But we want to go again and see what's going on there. How about you? Have you had an experience yourself? I mean, outside of your dreams, but yeah, you have. Well, I've seen UFOs. I don't know of actually, I might have met an E.T. Who looked human, I don't know. But I've seen E.T., I've seen UFOs quite a few times. And one time it was really interesting because I didn't have a camera or anything at the time. And I was when my children were small, I was, this would have been nine in the nineties, early nineties. So I was in the kitchen and I lived in Culver City then, California. And I was doing some work in the kitchen and it came over me that I should go and lay on the ground to help feel, you know, peaceful and feel the energy because I was kind of tired and stressed. So I would just go and lay on Mother Earth. So I went in the garden and I laid down and it was in the afternoon. And I was noticing that there were three clouds that looked like angels. And that's all the clouds in the sky. And I was amazed because it was like someone had made it on purpose because one was like this. And then there was one as if they had a trunk, you know, the typical angel look, but they all had a different angel pose. I thought, this is incredible. How could the three clouds be chewing that? And then I noticed three stars, but they weren't stars because there's no stars. It was like two o'clock in the afternoon, something like that. And it was a hot day in June.  So you didn't actually see it go. You saw that star disappear and then there it was. And then the other one disappeared and there it was. And my feeling was these UFOs have created these clouds like angels to catch my eye or maybe other people. It's not like it's just for me. It's they're doing something here, maybe. And they know people like angels and they feel positive when they see angels. Maybe someone's died and they want to look at them to look in the sky and see this. I don't know, but it was amazing. And they stayed there. Those three start the clouds gradually dissipated. The three UFOs were in different places. They would be up there for a while and my son brought out his telescope. It worked.  Couldn't see much. And and it's almost like they got tied to it and we came in because even and if they were and they couldn't have been stars, but even if they were, they would have moved gradually with the sky. But they stayed there right until it started to get dark, but then we didn't see them anymore. But that's a lost time. Have you ever had missing time? Not that I know. No, not that I know. That's that's another interesting thing. But I was going to Santa Cruz Island once and I saw a UFO much bigger than that, much, much close.  You know, a lot of people talk about how when they see a UFO in the sky, especially if it's kind of low, it's almost like, is that on a pole? Is that really sounding that still? Because we know that a helicopter couldn't do that. You know, you'd see it move a little bit, right? You know, but this is not vibrating anything. Just dead still over the highest point of the island. And I was asking people on the boat, well, is there some kind of pole there, something with something on it? No, you know, and then as I kept watching that and it's interesting because before I saw that I was trying to tune into the ocean and the beings and the ocean because it began to get seasick. So I thought if I just sit still and I tune into the ocean and get in a meditative state, maybe I won't get sick. And that's when I saw the UFO. And then the boat moved so you couldn't see the island for a very short time like that. And when it moved back, it had gone. So if it was a helicopter, it would have taken a while to go to move away because there was nothing blocking the view. So that was the UFO of the Santa Cruz, which is an interesting place because that's the island, not the place in California, but the island of Santa Cruz. And so there's nothing there. And that's really an interesting thing, maybe one little house, but it's a great place to go for meditation and camping and stuff. And then the other time I saw you if I was in heaven. So I was on a I think it was a freeway. Someone else is driving. We were going to idle, I think, or coming back. I can't remember. But I saw a much more close up UFO in daytime, but it was behind a building. And I thought it was a building. Again, I thought it was it was supposed to be there because I could see little windows and the whole shape of you that you think a UFO should be. And I thought, oh, that's a weird building. But then nothing under it. And as soon as you have a you know, we're looking and then the car, of course, moved and we were looking back and we couldn't see anything in that spot. So and that was very quick.  But that's an ability that that they have on other planets. And that's something in the Vedas that's described. The cities are yogic abilities that that is possible.  But that is it's called Antadana. And it's a city or ability that a person in a high, you know, a higher planetary system might have the ability to make themselves invisible and then go somewhere else and then also they can make their craft invisible. So it's an actual thing that exists as an ability, just like we have abilities, but we don't have that rather than something magic or made up, you know, right? So that's what I think was going on there. May I ask you, does Vedic astrology say anything about UFOs and contact and disclosure going forward? Oh, not really as such a good question. Yeah, not exactly as a prediction or anything, because really they've always been here, you know, and so the Vedas really talk about the other beings from other planets as always being in the older days, in the better, you know, much better yogas or periods like the Dwarapara Yuga, for instance, was the last one before Kali, which is this one, you hear in Dwarapara, you got a lot about the ETs coming to visit humans. And giving that sometimes most of the Vimana or spaceships were given to people on this planet rather than these people on the planet making them, they were given by what people think of as a demigod or a deva.  And are they manifested them, really advanced people like the sage Kodama Muni? He just imagined how he would like to take his wife for a trip around the universe. He could do it in his mind. He could visit other planets in his mind, but his wife couldn't, you know, thinking it would be so nice to her to travel comfortably in this certain Vimana. And he just imagined what it would be like. And he opened his eyes and there was the Vimana right there and he manifested it, even though he didn't have material desires to show off about it. He just did it from love to love for his wife.  But otherwise, you know, other than that, demigods or devas or advanced beings had given different people on the planet, powerful people, our spiritual people, certain kinds of Vimana's. And and then also, you know, they were described mostly as being human looking the different kinds of ETs and some very, very beautiful like the Gandavas. You hear the Gandavas are kind of like angels because they were really good at music and singing and you don't see all these advanced beings now because people are not that advanced here. And it's like the vibration from this planet isn't very positive, obviously. So that wouldn't be attracting these advanced beings who are very, you know, more spiritual and peaceful. And that they just, you know, as an aside, it said that that advanced beings who come here are just mystified at the way we treat one another. Yes, never even. I'm trying to think of a word because in all their consciousness awareness, which may not describe how they function, but you understand the vibration that they look at what Earth beings do to one another. What humanity does in the name of love to hurt one another in the name of countries and I am and you're not. And they look at the insanity here and they can't fathom it. They just think we're like, you know, and how can they deal with us exactly? It's a frequency that's put out, you know, that they can feel the frequency. That's really how astrology works. It's a frequency of the planets, not the gravity is a frequency. So our frequency is pretty low and why would they come? Yes, so that's why you hear a lot more of them being around in the ancient times in the Dwarf are you and you do now. But the grace what is described to and there's even pictures of them in the caves and that look like grace. And so they're very ancient times and they were given the name. Well, I didn't know if it was a great or not. But there's a certain kind of each they described as Kim Perusia, Kim Perusia, which means is it human? So it's like someone looked at it and said, is that human? And then it became called that. So, yeah, that could be great. But we think of them really as being on a more of us astral, like level, lower astral level than some of these great advanced each is there's so many different kinds. And we're actually kind of in between here where in the planets are called the bullloka. So they're kind of above us is the follow because the very advanced boubouba, bouba and then spa, the heavenly planets. And then, of course, below, not literally, but the less advanced would be a lot or more of the lower astral, more difficult planets. And then we could be in either of them, according to our desires and how we could be in different ones, according to our progress. Yeah, I know about, you know, this ancient history and the inception in the planet and all of these. And I appreciate you going over this actually from a the Vedic point of view is very interesting. And I was curious about how Vedic astrology might impact what's coming because you and I are in the same world and we keep hearing perhaps in our lifetime, they're going to disclose themselves that we get to experience them. And I wasn't sure if the stars or astronomy are showing that that is indeed a fact in our lifetime. You and I will see this or maybe some time in the future. Yeah, I think we will gradually see it. Another thing about this age, though, is we're in a period called Sandhya. And it's the very beginning of a yoga. So we're still at the beginning of Kali yoga. And within that time, there's meant to be a 10,000 year period when we make more progress on the spiritual level and it's hard to see. But but more people are interested in, you know, the spiritual progress in life and there's more things available. But I know it's really hard to see. But it's called like a mini golden age when people will become more aware and people are getting born here in order to have their last lifetime and not have to stay for the whole Kali yoga, but to make that progress on spiritual level. So, yeah, it's called a Sandhya period. So we are in that. So that's also hopeful. Yeah, I do even though it's not written as such innovators about them disclosing themselves in a way it's kind of said, you know, they're always here and they are disclosing themselves to certain people and and I think a lot of progress can be made, you know, coming up in the next two years, I see it more of the gradual thing because really it's already happened in a gradual way. Now they're talked about seriously in the government and even in the news. So I think this, you know, we're trying to help with that the Conscious Life Expo and talk about it in that way every every time we do conferences and, you know, I have the experts there and discuss these things. I think more people are aware of having experiences too. Serena, this is Dare to Dream. We're at the end of the show. What are you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams and goals? Oh, thank you. Well, I'm really working hard on the next Conscious Life Expo in February. And everyone, please go to ConsciousLifeExpo.com because we actually have a lot of the speakers already there, the pictures if you scroll down and there's more to come and there's a lot more events that we're having where you meet speakers and you meet each other. We're trying to have something every day where you can interact with each other because since COVID and all that, we couldn't be scared to meet anyone. And a lot of people didn't come and it was hard for all conferences, of course. But but now we want everyone to meet and have fun. So we're planning on more things like that. So that's what's a lot of things in my head like that. And I also can, like I said, we're going to go to Puerto Rico again personally. And I work on a lot of things to help people. Another thing that I work on besides Lafarton is the is helping refugees. And so in your everyone's area, you can probably find some way of helping them because, you know, we look at, like I said, anyone could be us. You could we could have been refugees in a past life and someone helped us. We probably were, you know, and and so we don't want to be again either. But yeah, I like to to make friends with with refugees from all different countries and let them know they're welcome and do what I can. So that's another thing that I continue to do. Thank you. Thank you for your good work. 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Hello and welcome to Senior Moment. My name is David Refson. I am your host for the show. Senior Moment is about seniors and for seniors. We are very pleased to have as our guest today, Ellen Miropol. She is a long-time activist, former teacher, nurse, former nurse practitioner, and she was involved in a study many years ago that changed medical practices and ultimately saved lives. Ellen, welcome to the show. Thank you, David. So I wanted to talk to you a little bit sort of about the beginning. I know we've talked a little bit about you and your political activism. Can you talk a little bit about that and how it led you sort of into teaching and eventually nursing? Well, I grew up in Washington, D.C. and which was a pretty exciting place to be a kid. When I was in high school, I was very active in civil rights. But when it came time to go to college, I wanted to get away from the East Coast. I wanted to find the real America. So I went to the Midwest and I went to a small college, a Quaker College, because to me Quaker meant AFSC and activism. And it was not a good match for me. I met my husband, Robbie, there, which was a very good thing. But coming from what was that year, the richest county in the United States, just outside of Washington, I was looking for something else. I was looking for something more politically relevant. And after two years at this college, I dropped out and I moved to the mountains of Kentucky. I moved to what was that year the poorest county in the country, not County, Kentucky. And I was the traveling art and recreation teacher for this county, which involved driving a red pickup truck down creek beds to get to one-room schools and teaching students ranging from first to eighth grade. It was very exciting and it led me to want to be an artist and to use art to talk about economic inequality and the things that were wrong with our country. This was the era of the Vietnam War and I was very involved in anti-war activity at that time. I ended up moving to Ann Arbor, Michigan in 1968, January 1968, to live with Robbie and to work and eventually go back to college and finish up. When you went back to college, was this to be a teacher at that point? No, it was in art. It was always at that point it was to to study art with the goal of using art as a way of talking about politics, a way of inspiring people politically But 1968 in Ann Arbor was a time that was very difficult to think about studying anything. I understand. And we were very involved with SDS and the beginnings of the women's movement, the second wave women's movement. And that became really my education. And that seemed to last quite a while, even to this day, theoretically, political activism. In terms of political activism. Yeah, absolutely. So at some point you made a decision that nursing could be what might take you forward in your life. Is that true? Yeah, and that actually came about through the women's movement. Abortion was a huge issue at that point and women's reproductive rights in general. When Robbie and I moved to Western Mass in 1971, I became involved with a local organization called Women's Health Counseling Service. And this was before Roe v. Wade. So our mission was to help women make decisions about unwanted pregnancies and help them get what they needed. And then after Roe v. Wade, when the first abortion clinics were opened in Massachusetts, we were the people who were the counselors and we were hired by the clinic to do that work. It was in that experience that I realized how critical nursing was to the whole medical world. One incident in which there was a life-threatening emergency with a patient, it was the nurses who knew exactly what to do and who saved the life. And I said, I want to be like them. Nothing has changed much. Nurses are still critically important. Well, not only that, they seem to be the backbone of medical care, especially in hospitals. Well, because nurses tend to be the people who listen. Well, not only that, but they also know what they're doing and they have this constant patient contact. Yes. Every day, if not multiple times a day. So they realize a sense of what goes on with patients. So I went to nursing school and I went for a couple of reasons. One, because I wanted to work with women and doing nursing union work seemed like a good possibility. And two, because being an artist was not paying our rent and I needed to be able to support myself. So I became a nurse. I thought at that point I wanted to do midwifery eventually, but I loved pediatric nursing. I loved working with kids and families. Ended up working at Shriners Hospital for two and a half decades. We're gonna talk about that in a minute. Explain to me a little bit how you went from nursing to being a nurse practitioner. That's quite a step up. You're like quasi-doctor at that point, nurse practitioners. Today, they do a lot of things. They write prescriptions. They act in accordance with doctors, but they're pretty well-informed about how to deal with a lot of medical issues, to say the least. So how did that kind of happen? It was a gradual thing. I worked as an RN. I loved it. I started feeling that in a teaching hospital, often it's the medical residents who are telling the nurses what to do and the nurses often know a lot more than the residents do. From experience, from having been there and worked with those patients. And I decided I wanted to have more autonomy within my work. The hospital was supportive. I went back first and came to UMass and got a master's in child and adolescent nursing. And then came back a second time when UMass started a pediatric nurse practitioner program and did that. And I loved working at Shriners. I loved the population of kids and families with whom I worked. I want certainly to talk about your experience at Shriners, but this becomes a point in your life as you're working with Shriners that you and other folks started becoming aware of something that would eventually change medical procedures, and it definitely did save lives. So please talk about Shriners and talk about what we're trying to talk about here in terms of this sort of life-changing event here, please. So I worked primarily with children and adolescents with spina bifida, a birth defect in which some of the neural tissue, the spinal cord and other spinal contents are outside of the body when the baby's born. It was a fascinating population with many health challenges. So it was very complicated. It was very intellectually challenging as well as being just fantastic to have that kind of intimacy with patients and families. Be very close to them over time because they need it a lot. I worked with a group of nurses around New England, all of us who worked in spina bifida clinics. We met regularly, we shared resources, we taught each other new things, and at one of our meetings somebody brought up an article that a couple of us had seen in the New England Journal of Medicine reporting on a few cases of intraoperative anaphylaxis during surgery on kids with spina bifida. So in the middle of a procedure the patient would become very, very critically ill. An allergic reaction, which became anaphylactic in which the whole the body basically is at risk of dying. Several of us had seen this article and we all said it's really interesting. We have patients who are allergic to gloves, to the latex gloves that you wear all the time. Now this was in an era where latex gloves had become ubiquitous. It was universal precautions because of HIV and so medical and nursing personnel wore gloves for everything even when it wasn't necessary. And so two things happened. One was that the supply of gloves was not enough to keep up with the demand. And so all of a sudden more and more gloves were being manufactured and probably the manufacturing process was not getting rid of as many of the proteins, the allergens, as they had before. And you had all of these people, nurses and doctors and other healthcare providers wearing gloves all the time, being exposed to proteins that caused allergy. My patients who had most of them early, frequent and intense exposure to latex because of needing multiple surgeries and other kinds of procedures started having allergic reactions. Our nursing group said, well, this is great, but it's anecdotal. We need to know more. And so we started a study in four or five hospitals around New England where we had our clinics to find out how many of our patients really had experienced this, what were the things they were reacting to, how severe was it and what could we do about it. We then published our results in a small letter to the New England Journal of Medicine a couple of years later. And all of a sudden became part of a new phenomenon that was just starting to be noticed and reported on latex allergy in people with spina bifida and with health professionals. Well, you know, it's always amazing to me and we've just started to talk about it, how nurses are the forefront of any kind of medical situation, particularly in hospitals. Well, they are. And so if it wasn't in part, not totally, but in part for nurses saying, wait a minute here, there's something going on here and getting together and doing the research and then publishing an article to start this process. And also going to some of these hospitals, I know you had an experience at a particular hospital that they weren't so sure this was the route to go. Yeah. And so maybe you can kind of address that a little bit. Well first, let me just say that we were part of a team and there were allergists and other physicians as well as nurses and physical therapists and all sorts of people who were starting to recognize this and say we have to do something about it. But medical institutions are very slow to change and sort of standard practice is very slow to change. So one of my patients was having surgery at another medical at another hospital and I got a phone call that she had had a major problem during surgery and the surgery had to be stopped in order to save her life and I went over to the hospital to try to find out what had happened and to talk to the staff and when I suggested that it might be because of latex and showed them the articles, I was essentially laughed out of the operating suite but to give them credit within a few years that hospital and most hospitals finally did change their practice. So if you go into an exam room in an emergency room now you are much more likely to see vinyl gloves than latex ones. There has been a real understanding finally that latex allergy is real and has to be dealt with. Once the medical profession realized that this was in fact true, did you start to notice a drop in serious medical conditions, possibly death as a result of now not using latex gloves anymore? Did things kind of change in that regard? Things did change and I think hospitals really did change their practice, had physicians, offices and clinics. The problem is that there are many latex containing items that are not medical, that are just ordinary things that you find in the home and kids toys, kush bowls at that point were, you know, latex. And so one of the things that this nursing group did for quite a while and other groups as well is publish every six months an updated latex list. What are the things both medical and non-medical that contain latex and what are some alternatives that families and patients can use to prevent exposure? Sounds terrific. I want to move on a little bit because I know first of all that you're an accomplished author and one of the books that I wanted to tell people about it is called kinship right here. Kinship of Clover. Yes. Yes. Thank you. And so you've been writing for a while and obviously your experience in a lot of areas led you to become an author, correct? I always read a lot voraciously, and I would sometimes finish a book and I would say I could do that and sometimes I would finish a book and say, oh, I wish I'd written that, so good. And at some point I decided that if I was going to learn how to write fiction, I'd better start. My husband and I took a two-month sabbatical in quotes because neither one of us worked in a institution that had such a term in their vocabulary. Two months on an island off the coast of Maine writing. He was working on a political memoir. I was writing my first short stories and I loved it. I was in my early fifties at that point. I had never taken a creative writing class. I didn't know what I was doing, but I was totally obsessed with writing fiction. I started taking classes. I did a low residency MFA program to really learn craft. And my first novel was published in 2011. About two months short of going on Medicare. I know the feeling. You talked about a little bit about the theme of your books and I wanted to bring that up. So tell me a little bit about that. Well, first of all, I should say that I think that fiction is better at asking questions than answering them. So I like to think of my books as asking questions that I want the reader to think about. And I should say that these questions or themes evolve during the process of writing. I don't start with a theme. I start with a character or something that you know that I can't stop thinking about. But so the first novel I wrote, the question was probably, is it ever right to bend or even break the law in pursuit of justice? The second novel on Hurricane Island, which started when I was in the TSA security line at JFK Airport and this character just appeared in front of me and I watched in my mind as she was taken by Homeland Security officers off to a room and disappeared. And I wrote the novel to find out what happened to her. And the question was can this happen to an ordinary person and how bad could it be? Interesting stuff. Interesting stuff. The third novel is also about activism and how far can you go in pursuit of the things you believe strongly must be changed. I know we're going to start to run out of time soon, but there's something very important that I want to talk to you about. And I did not mention it at the beginning. And that is your involvement with the Rosenberg Foundation. And if you could talk a little bit about that, what the foundation is, your involvement in it a little bit? So I mentioned that I met my husband, Robbie Maripole, in college and it wasn't until I moved in with him two years later that he told me that he was the son of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg and in some ways that was a major part of my political education because I knew about the Rosenberg case. But I didn't really know about it. And I started reading everything I could find and talking with him about it. And Robbie had always had this dream that he would at some point in his life start a foundation in honor of his parents. He didn't know what that foundation would do at that point. It wasn't until the late 1980s when he met somebody who was today whose children today were in a position similar to his of having his parents taken away and executed for their essentially political beliefs and activism. And so he started a foundation to provide for the educational and emotional needs of children in this country whose parents have been targeted because of their politics. And the fund provides for things like summer camp and therapy and music lessons. A lot of it around the arts and finding a way to express what has happened to them and figuring out that they're not alone, that there are other kids in similar situations. So I understand Robbie wanted to start this, but did you started together? Is that? Well, it's it's his project. I've been involved since the very beginning and was on the board until about four or five years ago when our daughter took over as director and Robbie stepped back as director, but stayed on the board. Are you still involved? I'm still involved peripherally. I'm not on the board anymore. Two mirror poles on one board is quite enough. So this has been going on for quite a while now. This is 1990. I would assume that a lot of children have gained access to this foundation. A lot of children have been helped, yes. That is absolutely terrific. Did you ever decide or talk about the idea of writing a book about this at all? Was it ever come up in a conversation? This is a look. We're still talking about this. How many years after this? This execution what? 1953. So we're talking 65 years ago. A long time. I wrote a dramatic program telling the story of the Rosenberg Fund for Children, which has been performed, I think, five or six times now in New York, Berkeley, Boston, Northampton. I haven't wanted to write a novel about it, but if you think about the themes that I've talked about and the next book, which will be out early 2020, continues this theme, my books are all set on the tightrope between family loyalty, family commitment, and strongly held political beliefs often in clashes within a family. So those themes, there's no question that a lot of that material comes from Robbie's background, but it's been transformed into different stories and different eras. Very interesting. I wanted to bring up one of the last things before we have to stop. And just a quick note on the Strode Dog's Writers Guild. We're not going to have a lot of time, but your involvement, were you a founding member of this group? Yeah. About ten years ago, local poet and writing teacher Patricia Lee Lewis gathered five or six women in her living room to start developing a Writers Guild, a network of writers. You know, writing is really solitary and so having people with whom to share the process, sometimes share work, share resources, and just connect with is critical. So Strode Dog Writers Guild has become a pretty large and important organization to writers in the Valley. We try to cover the four Western counties, but really we're primarily focused in the Valley. We hold craft programs, open mics, three open mics a month in different parts of the Valley, and give writers an opportunity to get to know each other, to create programs that they need for their own growth as writers, and to not feel quite so isolated. Right. One last sort of comment. One of the things I noticed about the group is that there are a lot of seniors who are not only obviously, but a lot of folks who either haven't written before or they're starting something new and as they get older. So it's pretty interesting. Ellen, you have an incredible story to tell and I want to thank you so much for being a guest on the show. My pleasure. Thank you very much.