Hey Virgo, welcome back to my channel. This is Kelly from House of Virgo. Hope you all are doing well Hello everyone in the chat. Welcome back. Please do get like share and subscribe if you enjoy this video and Please do remember it's a general love reading. Okay, so Some of the messengers may or may not resonate just take what fits leave the rest and If you would like to book a personal reading from me Just click the link in the description box below this video and You will be taken right to my booking site where you Book your reading. What is going on here? Okay, Virgo This would be a love reading and then after this portion, I'll do the singles.  What a surprise Okay All right, let's see. All right Bottom of the deck page of pentacles. So Somebody's got some plans here big plans. Oh for some type of the devil energy Capricorn energy here Aries Scorpio Leo Aquarius and Taurus. I Feel like this kind of feels like something from yesterday. Somebody's just thinking about you Plans on how to Keep you guys From getting away from each other. That's bizarre. That's a bizarre message Kind of thinking about it. That's what I was saying contemplating What the next strategy is what the next idea is five of cups in the reverse Coming out of grief Turning around here and seeing two cups Okay versus looking at the glass half empty glass half full half full somebody's definitely Very attached to you still who could this be? Okay Here we go three of swords and lovers. So Gemini energy after some type of a heartbreak To fix a relationship. This is how I feel. Let's take a look and see what the love messages are Here for you All right, you guys what is going on? Virgo every day. It's a saga Every day is something new Virgo's love life here on YouTube All right. Oh gosh true love Virgo This is the romance of a lifetime. Some of you might be connecting with someone currently Or this is your person Okay, let's see what else You deserve love you are lovable. I feel like there's definitely, you know, if you didn't receive that communication Yeah, from your person. There's definitely going to be some type of message from them. They might try to Look, whatever message they send you whatever communication you get from this person as bizarre as it may seem if they're not coming right out and Expressing their feelings. It could be something like, you know, hey, do you still that screwdriver? that you borrowed from me or Did you get that bill? Hey, did you get a piece of mail? Hey, did you get that phone call? Hey, whatever happened to Whatever it is Virgo, it's because this person is trying to kind of wiggle their way in to try to heal something without coming right out forward and telling you Very soon clearly decide what you want so that comes to you now Yep, you're gonna be getting something very soon from somebody a friend a lover Could be an ex. Let's take a look here. All right past energies Or just generally two of wands. I feel like Give me just a second here. What is up? Somebody doesn't want something and The world is here, but the night of wands is like going back to it feels like going back to the drawing board Virgo, some of you may have just said you called it quits. Some of you just called it quits. You're like, no It's fine. It's okay What's done? It's done But it feels because I feel like you were kind of you and your person were kind of like I don't know you hit a snag or you came to like a fork in the road and it's like, okay We're either gonna walk down this path together or we're just gonna go you go right I'll go left and we'll just keep it moving and Put the end but really put it to an end, but Virgo. Okay, hold on you guys. I Just want to show you something here. You see how this world card is about, you know victory having a new start completing a cycle generally this the the figure in this Card is like walking forward, but still looking back. It's like one more chance. There's still another shot Somebody's going back or coming back and saying, all right, maybe just one more try one more Isn't that a song who sings that song one more try That's what I feel like one more try. All right, let's take a look at the world. What's going on here? Yep, ten of wands The night of wands karma Revelation and the two of swords Sorry, the ton of swords, but it came out in the reverse. So it feels to me Whatever was just kind of like one foot out the door It feels like one some of you put an end to something but you haven't fully taken your foot out the door That's not all of you but some of you still are kind of looking back and you're kind of like Well, let me listen to this reading and see if maybe anything's going to change Some of you have still a small little spark of hope Okay for others You don't and you like shut the door on this and you can just stick around wait for the singles So we'll see who's coming in but for those of you who It feels like put the kibosh down on something or you just were like, okay, I think that's it I'm just I'm done, but you're not really done I feel like your person Senses that that you're not fully finished and it's not like it doesn't feel like it's in an arrogant way It's just that they I don't feel like this person was done I think you are the one that kind of ended something here and it feels like they were still state like standing at the crossroad you made the decision and You like either exited stage left or right and that person's still standing there Kind of waiting for you to return and hoping that you will come rushing back With all your power see the ten of swords in the reverse. This is kind of like it's not finished This person's mind. It's not finished. They watched you walk away, but they see you're still looking back and okay They watch you walk away because it was a struggle and it felt like a burden the whole relationship, but they kind of Sense that you're still looking back because you they're hoping that you still have all this Fiery passion for them and they're really hoping that you're going to I just heard remember Do you remember the time when we were in love? I don't know why music keeps coming to me They're hoping that you're going to remember that fiery physical like that. Yeah, you know that. Yeah, that's what they that That's what's driving your person hoping that you're going to return. They're waiting. They're still waiting. They haven't left They may not be chasing after you. They are definitely plotting and scheming They want to fix this connection Okay, so they're definitely in a position with the forest or it's just kind of like laying back chilling out They're hoping they're you're going to return Ten ones down here again, but they know that it was a struggle They know this relationship like it was a heavy burden to carry Although a burden is a gift and they know that you you know, they know so this is what they're saying that The struggles you brought were actually gifts to them because they learned a lot about themselves Okay, I Mean they're very patient. It feels like they're okay with just waiting It feels like whatever happens happens, they're willing to reciprocate They want you to it's crazy. Okay. I just heard this Spirit said they want you to bring your struggles back.  I tried to you know Okay, well, maybe you did I don't know I'm just telling you what I'm picking up here You've there's they're saying tell Virgo you were a handful Not in a bad way Not negative at all, but I mean you're challenging.  I Just hear that I hear you somebody I just hear voices saying do the right thing Virgo come back Bring this bring it back Bring it back All's fair in loving more It's not worth it to throw it away bring your struggles back Yeah, they see like you're kind of indifferent here. You're just like not sure they feel like They do feel like if they're not going to reach out not in that loving way like I said they'll And more like don't want domesticated ways they find a reason You know To reach out, you know, do you have my favorite pen? Who has a favorite pen I guess we can somebody somebody has a favorite pen They're not gonna reach out in that emotional way because they don't they're afraid you're gonna reject them The love but yet They're gonna reach out.  I Just heard another song Couldn't see eye-to-eye and yet Complete opposites. That's what I feel now, but not it's like you guys are that like a lot alike But you didn't like plug in very well to each other, you know, like you were made for each other but you couldn't seem to like Plug into each other perfectly, you know some blockages This person here eight of sorts Seven of wands What's going on here? Well, they want to free for themselves from some restrictions mental Yeah, I feel like this person was a little bit neurotic in a lot of ways and maybe you too That that's what it feels like So many might have like be a little obsessive compulsive or maybe both of you That's that's why there was like Some friction is what I feel some friction in the dynamic of the relationship of trying to be Easy trying to be more live and let live, you know Maybe this person was Nitpicky with you They could have been very nitpicky and just kind of naggy, you know in some ways They like things a specific way and a Virgo, you like things a specific way or Even in the dynamic of just getting the relationship off the ground you had certain You know standards this person had a different set But still very much like and it feels like they want to free themselves from these restrictions their own Restrictions they want both of you To just kind of let that stuff be leave that alone and focus on the love At least that's where they're at now Because it is true love and they feel like you deserve Love they feel like they deserve it as well What's more important, you know Someone who puts a toothpaste cap back on or that true Joy to be together Spending time together so the Emperor's here Okay, but the world I Don't this person It feels like they wanna Hold on. They're giving me that King of the world The king of the world. Where's that from? I'm the king of the world. Oh So, oh Was that seen from Titanic? I think King of the world. I'm king of the world rose What was his name rose and I Forget his name. Well, I know it's Leonard de Caprio, but I forget the name That he played somebody here might be named Rose and then the other person Leonard de Caprio's Character King of the world.  I Know I hear I just heard some of you. Yeah, how come they don't tell me that where they are because they're afraid that if they try to Restart something here. They're just hoping and praying. You know, I know some of you are hoping and praying and Just really hoping this person is going to Have that wake-up call and remember the passion between you They're just hoping and praying that enough time that goes by that you're not if you're not in communication or If there's separation for some reason or absence makes a heart go fonder, they're hoping That that part will Blow back up again that passion Because if you don't have passion in your relationship, well, you're just business partners, right? All right, let's take and let's take a look and see what the love messages are here Hello, the timing just wasn't right for us. That's how your person feels And the world card is about timing for sure But I feel like that was a long time ago and That's what I was saying. You weren't plugging into each other.   I'm just hearing again with the toothpaste.  Okay, fine But then you changed who you were You changed a lot of yourself to please this person and that's just an example and that could be in any ways You changed a lot of things about yourself and didn't stay true to who you were And that's where the burden came for you because then you became codependent so for those of you who were experiencing that or Just didn't had a hard time just staying true to yourself Being interdependent in the relationship then boundaries were definitely needed for you.  Okay, so a little distance right now That you've been going through is bringing a lot of clarity not just to you, but to your person Let's take a look and see their feelings All right, you speak to me through music or art or movies or I Heard music videos poetry singing lyrics to songs It's interesting I'm starting to understand our connection So I feel like your person is you know, you guys have been Having time apart or distance or just even if you're still together, but you're just not communicating. There's it's a lot of Understanding happening in both ways a lot of you have come to this place where it's kind of like well What the heck was that? What was that? There's been a lot of like reflection. I feel looking back. I Remember every detail of that day. Yeah looking back at the past looking back at this relationship both of you What is that detail of that day? What is the detail of that day? like some walls There was like some good news somebody received some kind of award or diploma or recognition You did and your person remembers that it that seems to be like a milestone. There's a milestone that You had burglar or some type of successful endeavor or Something where you are on top of the world a king in the king of the world They remember that and and the detail of that Queen of sorts Some type of speaking event for some of you that they for some they were there and they saw it somehow six cups They remember when you met when you were children or when you were young Or when you reckon reconciled Or came together It was very sincere something very beautiful This person buries in themselves and work a lot. Yeah, just know it's a It's like a tactic You know, they're not really trying to forget you. They're just trying not to Be distracted so much because they can't stop thinking about you And that's why I said I feel like that was similar to yesterday's reading. I Feel you even though we are apart Somehow you're apart. You might be physically apart. You might just be Energetically apart where you could be in under the same roof, but you're just in different rooms and You know this person and you you both can sense The void or the absence or something's not right, but it it's very like empathic It's very deep and that makes it or has made it really hard for you to separate Because the double energy that doesn't always necessarily mean it's a bad thing. It's just You two are like like chained together like It's like once you taste something sweet You can never untaste it That's kind of like how I feel like but to them Something very sweet about you unlike anybody else Let's get a look at your advice here and then we're going to move to the singles Okay So queen of fire She's always here here. She brilliant talented This is your person And you actually you both have similarities Brilliant talented independent controlling There is nothing you both can't do But for you Virgo believe in yourself never underestimate your ability to make any of your dreams come true the need for balance between career and your personal life Virgo don't get so deep into your career That you don't have time for fun love and family and don't get so deep into fun That you go you can't feed yourself or pay your bills balance balance balance Oh It's a match King of fire This is you too that fiery passion That's the strong sticking point about this relationship That when you two came together The way you were physically with each other was just It was impossible to keep away.  You didn't care The king of fire motivational inspiring theatrical ambitious Takes a leadership role steps into the spotlight Public speaking keeping your eyes on the big picture communicating your vision And not being sensitive to criticism I mean, that's why I was saying in the beginning you both are very very similar But just out of sync For some reason I feel like you were both kind of out of sync and the timing just wasn't right, but This person Is patiently waiting I will patiently wait and it's just praying for you And just praying and hoping That you'll miss them or you'll remember The spark and the the fire that you created together.  They don't care about what you do for a living They're happy for you if you're successful But their interest Is that fire that you guys made between the two of you Okay Let me get some charms See what's going on here Hi everybody. Happy birthday Virgo. We're coming to the end and happy birthday Virgo Libra. How about that yesterday? That was so much fun Even though that video, I don't know what was going on there, but hopefully This problem cannot occur again. All right Can we get a cup of charms? All right What do we have here? What is this? Oh, we have an octopus. Oh, they're tentacles Virgo They just they want to get their tentacles all over you. This is a very Passionate reading here something somebody eats octopus or doesn't like maybe you just had some for the first time I've had octopus once and all I can say is um I tried it once and that was it I think that's one of those things that if you've never had it before you kind of have to You know get in to get acquainted Get acclimated to it. Okay. So yeah, there's something here with this octopus and then I'm also hearing Oh, I just gosh guys.  I just saw a vision of that.  I don't know Um Ha you guys I did not even see those Skull and crossbows.  Okay Can you even see it? Let me hold it up I don't know if you guys can see this Do you see it? Skull and crossbones Okay, it's can this this is for somebody specific. I know it's very specific And that's fine. If it's not for you, just let somebody else have it But there's something to do here with That that that movie that all those movies Or something to do like maybe like halloween somebody's dressing up like a pirate or did Somebody wears an eyepatch It's all connected. Please leave me a comment and let me know how that resonates for you because That sometimes spirit just leads me to these things. Okay, I'm feeling very much like Who made those Pirate's Caribbean movie? I don't know if it was like I'm just picking up disney. I'm picking up some disney and also I'm picking up this cute little pink pumpkin carriage like from Cinderella Johnny Depp meets Or Jack Sparrow meets Cinderella possibly. I don't know. It could be. See it? It's like magic Some type of magic here.  So they're just If they weren't if they really didn't have deep feelings for you Virgo, they wouldn't care if you rejected them Know this. So if they're not hearing from you, it's because they do They do have very deep feelings for you It's not the other way around They're just protecting themselves. All right. Let's head on over to the singles and see who's coming in through the singles singles singles That was crazy skull and crossbones Black flag black flag. I just heard Black flag Wasn't that a group? Wasn't that a music group black flag? It's either that or it's like some kind of wasp killer It's poison. That's for sure.  I'm confused but they're heavily Attracted to that You're like a walking contradiction Virgo All right, let's see All right strength Seven of swords two of wands knight of pentacles Oh All right friends with benefits Coming in you've got a friends with benefits coming in judgment page of swords Well, okay water sign cancer scorpio pisces male or female Okay Pisces scorpio leo Listen, okay. You've got a water sign coming in. You might be friends with them. This is a friendship. They could turn romantic Okay For some of you this is something that's been going on since 2020. Okay some type of connection Or you knew each other Way before that but something in 2020 there was like a boom wake up some kind of thing here Like a confession. There was a confession either a friend You got a friend who's going to be confessing to you in november that they're in love with you Okay This might just be strictly friend. This could be somebody to work with Virgo This person will just be waiting for the right time. Okay right now Gaining the courage to come forward male or female They're hiding this okay, they haven't told anybody If they haven't confessed this to you They're confessing even if you've been in a friends with benefits just a casual kind of thing. This person's coming to tell you Hey, um By the way, um, I know that we're just supposed to be casual here, but I love you What Okay, um, oh this person is seeing you in a totally different light Totally different light.   Maybe they asked you on a date Some of you are have this has already happened and you're still like, I don't know. I don't know um So you're still trying to like figure it out. Some of you are like avoiding the person so like if You see them in a particular place or at work or something A lot of you have been kind of fronten and then just kind of you see them coming down the hall Or you see them in a particular place then you go the other way there's I don't know why it's uncomfortable I don't I think for some of you it might be because this person's kind of like It seems like they're obsessed with you a little bit They're asking people about you or they will be asking friends family members people that work customers clients Want to know more about you this two of cups is sitting here in the middle of this reading So this is 100 of budding romance and I feel like November there's sometime November 3rd or the third week of November somewhere in there, which is almost the entire month There's an actual either they're going to ask you out for dinner or There's your sign ask you Or make an offer or say hey you want to go get some coffee or something like that that for some of you It's going to be the second time Okay This person's like really really interested in you and I kind of feel like Hold on hold on. I'm getting it. I'm getting a message here This person it's okay Okay, here we go.  Okay Someone here is a beast one of you is Really super attractive and the other one it doesn't feel as if they're All that You know attractive, okay Or somebody's got a spell cast on them and they need you to release them from the spell That's so strange. I'm just picking up beauty and the beast The story I don't know why maybe you like that movie or something. This kind of feels like it's something to do with this like They feel like if they can come into something with you you will release them It's weird. I don't know. It's not overly creepy. I don't see any really creepy stuff here Honestly, I don't I don't even know if this person Thinks about that movie that is or that fable that is so old Our story is so old, but I'm just picking up beauty and the beast. I want to get a clarifying card What is beauty? What does this have to do with anything here? Maybe like some of you Are actors actresses and you do like these musicals or plays or maybe you Know something about this. I don't know this. Give me a clarifying card Okay, the ton of cups. What are they trying to tell me?  Oh, you were with someone who was like a Agustin type of person. This is such a weird message. You were with someone like that Who was and that's not good. They're gonna whatever it takes. But listen that you know that and Everybody else knows that that's not a healthy relationship, right? But this person is manipulating a little bit here to try to get you to look their way Okay, is it bad? No, because like I always say manipulation Isn't always bad you wake up in the morning.  So it looks a particular way for the day It's not a bad manipulation. It's just that this person wants you to see Or just wants to bring that up to make the comparison of how much better and how much more they can offer you Okay, so something coming up here in november. That's what I feel November 3rd To like the third week of november some type of communication Um, you might give somebody a birthday present in november as well For some But I really feel like this person This person feels like they have a lot of spiritual Essence about them very spiritual person talk to them. There's something about them. That's really Enlightening they have a way of communicating that really opens up your mind It gives you a lot of expansion They just have a glow about them and I feel like if you don't already know this when you talk to them This is something that you'll notice about them When you meet them Very open and honest Very truthful Tells it like it is This person's a writer also they like to write Maybe they write books novels scripts new right journalism News articles that kind of thing But real slow, you know, they don't rush They won't rush you Okay, they but they're not going to give up You know, um This person's at a crossroad in their life You know, they're trying to make a decision about partner show And I feel like They're ready They have the whole world to offer you they want to offer this to you I'm also seeing Toasting something or someone Oh, so maybe there's some kind of a family party or an event coming up. Oh, well, it's a holidays as well But there's like toasting cheers. It could be new years as well. It could be like a A build up up until the new year some are, you know, whether it's chinese new year or The western new year whichever Um Chinese new year, I think is in february that might have something to do with this hanged man Some of his birthdays february 12th It just for february 12th on november 20th Their birthdays could be around that time also um august 8th Is coming up Something coming out not coming up Okay All right, I'm drained from these messages. I'm not even sure what the heck's going on here But I think that's going to be it for now.  I can't remember if I if I have it as one card or three cards I can't remember but um I need moderators I need people I have a lot of people have emailed and I just need to narrow it down I just need people who wish to commit to being there Or are able to switch off, you know, because I know some I may not be there on every friday as well by something going on. But um, yeah, so With joining and becoming a moderator. I will give you one free card reading every week That you're there. All right, you guys and I'll do that at the end of the uh live stream. So Awesome to hang out with you. I am on my way to go pick out my new couch. So I will talk to you guys later and I hope you enjoyed the chat And I will see you guys tomorrow. Okay. Love you. Bye


So I made some lightning. It took me a while to figure out how to get this aggressive angular look but I thought it was perfect for some sort of super evil powerful character. There are two different types. The first is a straight shot type that always heads directly towards the origin and then there is a random curve type which will randomly change its path towards the origin. There's also a draggable trail type which just follows whatever it's parented to and then I've added this random smooth ribbon type trail that I accidentally made and I thought it was pretty cool. Installation is really easy once you download the file. You just copy the effects folder and paste it into your project somewhere in the content folder. This is the lightning effect that I will be using for my own evil characters going forward but if you like it you can use it for yours too. So hope that helps and as always hope you have a fantastic day and I'll see you around.


Good afternoon. I'm Michael Barr, Dean of the Jared R. Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan. On behalf of myself and Ann Curzon, Dean of the College of Literature, Science, and the Arts and my co-chair for the Democracy and Debate Initiative, we want to welcome you all for today's session, American Democracy, The Path Forward, a conversation with Governor Jeb Bush. Our program today is part of the University of Michigan's Democracy and Debate Initiative and the Ford School's Conversations Across Differences series. I would like to thank the Tuft Family Foundation for their support of this important work. I would also like to thank the members of the Ford School staff and Governor Bush staff for their work to make this event possible. As Dean of a Policy School named after President Ford, I am particularly pleased to welcome Governor Bush to the Ford School. The Ford family and the Bush family have long connections, friendships formed by the close professional and personal relationship between President Ford and President George H.W. Bush. Governor Bush has a long history of public service, including as Commerce Secretary of the State of Florida and notably serving as Florida's Governor for two terms, from 1999 to 2007. He was also a Republican candidate for President during the 2016 race. He now serves as the Chairman of the Board of Excellent Ed, a nonprofit organization that seeks policy solutions to increase student learning, advance equity, and ready graduates for college and career. Governor Bush and I will be in a conversation and then later in the program will be joined by two Ford School students. Bianca Shaw is a current senior in the Ford School focusing on health policy. She serves as the Government Relations Coordinator for U of M Central Student Government. Bianca is from Maryland and she has advocated for youth and the South Asian community. Michael Hauser is a first year master's student at the Ford School focused on global democratic resilience. Prior to graduate school, he attended the U.S. Air Force Academy and spent nearly eight years as an active duty Army Infantry Officer. After graduation, he hopes to continue serving as a State Department Foreign Service Officer. Now let us turn to the conversation. Governor Bush, welcome to the Ford School. Good to be with you Michael and it's a real honor to participate in anything related to the Ford School and President Ford. I was always a big fan. Well, thank you Governor. As I said in the introductions, I'm especially aware of those connections between your family and the Ford family, the shared value of public service. And I think our shared striving for politics better than we have today. So I'd like to start really with that family legacy. Your family has an extensive record of public service. Your grandfather was a U.S. Senator. Your father was the President, Vice President, Representative, Ambassador, Director of Central Intelligence for President Ford. Our namesake and your brother was, of course, President. You were quite a distinguished governor and a leading figure now in education reform. I wonder if you could reflect on how that family legacy, how your father's model of public service might have influenced your own mode or method or values in public service. Yeah, that's a great question Michael. First of all, I need to have an addendum to the Bush involvement in politics and public service because my son, George P, is a new time elected official in Texas and now running for Attorney General and a contested primary. And my first granddaughter, whose name is Georgia Helena Walker Bush, we call her 41 because she has the same initials as my beloved dad. She's run for office from second grade on. She's a fifth grader. She's won twice and lost twice. That's great. She's become all of the, you know, the anxiety of running for office and she's, she's a really mighty fine president of her fifth grade class at the Montessori School down south. So I don't know, maybe it's a contagion that or it could be part of our DNA, but you know, I think in my case it was a campaigning for my dad in 1980 and then the Reagan Bush campaign. I overcame all of the kind of most people think politics is really weird and they don't want to have much to do with it. But if you get involved in it, you realize it's pretty purposeful and it can be fun. It's not always. And so I overcame some of my trepidation about it, but my main interest was to repay my dad, to be honest with you to get involved. And then when I saw the potential as Secretary of Commerce of the role of governor, particularly, I was motivated to serve because inspired by my dad in every way. He was the greatest man I ever met. And it wasn't any three point plan that drove me to this. It was really inspired by a phenomenal guy that I miss a lot, actually. Yeah, I could see that in the way that I've seen you talk about him before and and the way you're talking about him now and I didn't get a chance to work with him. But I've heard from many people, both Democrats and Republicans, what a fine human being he was to work with. Well, Michael, you know, I know that you worked in the Clinton administration, and much to the chagrin at least I will have to admit this personally for me I was a little surprised that my dad befriended the guy that beat him in 1992. And that friendship really became really, really important for my dad and certainly for President Clinton who I saw a month ago. And he's whether he likes it or not, we've adopted him in our family. So restoring some degree of that notion that if you know you can fight the hard fight in politics and in the policy world. But, you know, you can you can also be a friend. And, and so somehow we've got to get back to that. I was, I was talking to a Congressman, I won't name name him. But he said that Republicans and Democrats in Congress don't even talk to one another. They don't even actually know each other. They don't know who their spouses are they don't know what their, you know background is particularly. It's not necessarily that they're the enemy but you know there isn't that connectivity personally and it's pretty easy to demonize people you don't know it's really hard to do it if you have a human connection right. I think that's right. I want to focus our conversation a little bit next on some really, I think very difficult moments right now for the Republican Party. We're going to talk some more about Republicans and Democrats together but focusing on the Republican side for a bit. In a couple weeks we're going to have Representative Cheney here in conversation with Representative Dingell. And as you know Representative Cheney has been censured by the Republican Party, not for her political beliefs which are quite conservative but because of her desire to support the investigation into the attack on the Capitol back on January 6. I'm wondering if you could reflect on the Republican Party's choice to censure Representative Cheney, how you think about that, what it might tell us about, you know where we are as a country. Well first of all I think it's always important to have a historical context. You're part of the Academy and a sense of history should be an element of everything you guys do. And this is not the only time in American history we've had strife. I think we were reflecting on this when we had our pre-call. I went to the University of Texas, graduated in 1973 and I can remember like the six or seven years leading up to that as being extraordinarily crazy with just turmoil across the board. Riots increased drug use, assassinations of incredible political leaders, a deeply divided country, Vietnam tore the country apart in many ways, Watergate. You go through all of this and then a ruptured economic system in the late 70s, that was a tumultuous time. I'm not sure we're at the worst time in American history right now, so that would be my preface. Having said that, I don't want to discount this idea that somehow if you, you know, Liz Cheney should not be condemned, she should not be censured, she should not be kicked out of the Republican Party.  You know, and now she's abandoned by the other knucklehead right wing fools like me, apparently, although I'm a supporter of hers and have written and made contributions because I think it's important for people that kind of integrity to stay in the Republican Party. But she's been abandoned and it's wrong. I don't quite get the whole phenomena of this new populism that is been personified by President Trump particularly. It goes beyond that. I think both parties now have a popular strain that is more, allows for more theater and less productivity in terms of public policy implementation of policy. But I admire, I love Dick Cheney and I admire Liz Cheney for the same reason. Their compass points north, they love this country. They're willing to take pay the price.  And now Liz is being scorned by people in her own party for standing up for what's right. And if we don't support people like that, what's next? You know, so I'm, it does trouble me. I would say that the state of the Republican Party looks a little different when you escape DC, where 60% of statewide elected officials, more than I think two thirds of the state legislatures are controlled by Republicans. The governors, 33 of them I think are Republican or 32. They wake up each day and, you know, they're figuring out how to accomplish an agenda that actually helps people. So we focus a lot on too much on the louder voices in the DC. You know, those that tweet rather than legislate, they get all the attention, but outside of DC, it's not as crazy as it might look. That's certainly a helpful frame. And we do, I agree with you, we do try and talk about historical context a lot in the Ford School. And I do think that our political discourse tends to be very, very foreshortened in terms of perspective, but we've been through some very terribly rough times in American history, and and have come out stronger on the other side. I think potential of doing that here, I don't see the I'm not smart enough to know what good is going to come out of, you know, challenging the basic essence of our election system and things that continue where people feel either to say things that in their heart they know is not right. I don't I don't understand why people feel compelled to do that. It's easy for me I'm out of political life. You know, there's a there's a lot of pressures to conform. Because there's a lot of people really deeply disaffected and angry and hard to reason with people when they're, you know, when they're acting on their fears and their angst rather than their hopes and dreams. How do you begin to change the conversation when I look, you know, I'm an outsider to the Republican Party, I come from a different political tradition. And so I, I may not fully grasp all of the nuance of what's going on internally in the party. I'd like a little bit of help thinking about this. So when you look at at President Trump's brand of leadership, the populism that you described and his attacks on the on really on the Democratic system. That's a very different model of governance from President Ford or or or your dad or your brother in terms of how to think about leadership. So how do you how do you think about pulling the Republican Party away from that approach and towards maybe a more traditional model of governance. So I don't, you know, the question that I think should be asked is how much of this is is populism that is the President Trump has accelerated how much of his Trumpism that relates to him and him alone. I think a lot of it relates to, I think that the trends of polarization started long before President Trump arrived. The angst that people feel because of a changing culture and the disruption of economic policies that left a lot of people behind started way before him. And solving those things I think would get us out of this issue where, you know, we're going to be constantly talking about the 2000 election, which by all accounts was a fair election. And it wasn't stolen. And there's no evidence to suggest otherwise and yet we keep our, you know, candidates are forced to be able to torture themselves to get to a place where they think they get, you know, get a pass from folks that now believe it was stolen because President Trump insists on it. So I think that my belief is that if we get back to problem solving, maybe recast the traditional conservative message to incorporate this populist sentiment to be less about, you know, the perception at least of being, you know, more about big business and things like that and be more focused on how do you allow, how do you give people a chance to rise up as they see fit? How do you give them tools to be successful? How do we create policies to make sure that, you know, our trade policies and our foreign policies are respectful of Americans in general that think that they're getting screwed. You know, if we refocus on that, I think Trumpism begins to die out. But if we're constantly focused on, you know, the 2020 election, if that becomes the dominant figure, the thing going on in 2022, A, I think Republicans probably lose more than they should. It could be a, it should be a really good year for Republicans at the national level and certainly at the state level. And it will have a huge impact on 2024 as well. So part of this is a belief and part of it is my hope. I'm not sure which percentage is what. But I do think, look, I think our political system is broken for many reasons perhaps, but it's not working because we haven't adjusted our policies irrespective of left or right. Our policy prescriptions are, they could be the same ones in many cases that were advocated 20, 30 years ago. And the world has radically changed.  Billions of people have it. The internet has changed everything. The pace of the world is at warp speed. And we're still operating with a healthcare system, an education system. Michael, let's say our higher education system as well. How we regulate, how we tax in many ways, how do we, you know, just in almost every aspect we're operating as though we were, you know, from a policy perspective, it was 1990. And I think that's quite dangerous. So as a conservative that believes in the conservative philosophy, I think we need to advocate a 21st century version of that. And I'll let the Democrats figure out how to do that on their side. And if both sides do it, then I think people will begin to feel like the political systems is starting to work for them. It's really hard in the environment that we're in to have the kind of substantive conversation that you just described, right? We're in this environment in which people are throwing kind of invective at each other rather than focused on trying to think about substantive policy that might advance the public good, whether that's from a Republican position or a Democratic position. We spent a lot of time at the Ford School trying to wrestle with this. We have an initiative we call Conversations Across Differences, trying to help people learn how to listen better. And hopefully had a talk in a way that lets other people listen to them when they have these disagreements. And our society, our culture today is not really conducive to that with Twitter and with the invective you hear in Capitol Hill. How do you think we can begin to have a conversation that is focused on really substantive debates about whether it's tax policy or immigration policy or the other issues you laid out instead of just yelling at each other? First I would suggest that your next speaker, the one after Liz Cheney, is try to get Amanda Ripley to come. It was written a book about high conflict. Conflict itself is healthy. It's part of our democracy. And without it, I mean, the democracy doesn't flourish. But high conflict is what we have today, which is very dangerous. And so she's done a lot of research on this and written a phenomenal book about how you get out of high conflict. And I think part of the, you mentioned the most important part, which is listening, you know, and you can't listen over the internet. This has to be personal engagement. And my passionate belief is that we're a bottom up country, the nature of our country. The bill of rights is an incredible set of freedoms that is freedoms from government effectively. The left, the part left calls those negative rights. And they're in favor of guarantees of rights of housing of everything. These are rights to allow yourself to live freely. And to protect those things, you have to engage at a local level. I mean, the 10th Amendment is a good example of that. I don't sure why we outsource so many things that could be done in Lansing or Tallahassee or local governments that right now are dominated by D.C. So the answer, I think, is a bottom up approach. Rebuilding, reweaving the web of civility and of constructive conversations of conflict, but it done in the proper traditional way. Done, you know, done with conviction and passion, but done a thousand different ways across the country. And that's emerging. The interesting thing is, while Rome is burning, you know, our D.C. is all screwed up, you know, basically it just looks ugly. There's a lot of places around the country and you all are doing the same through your efforts at the Ford School. There are scores and scores of examples of this where people are tired of this and they're trying to rebuild our democracy from the bottom up. And I think that's the only way to do this. To rely on the Internet, you know, where you're anonymous and you can rip the head off of somebody without any courage and never meet the person that you're supposedly hating and tearing down is not going to be the answer. Or to reward politicians in D.C. who don't even know what a conference committee is, literally would not know how to actually take a, like the little, like the PBS deal of how laws made, they would have no clue. They can go on Twitter and rip, you know, rip a new one onto one of their opponents. And by the way, the other element of this that makes it quite dangerous is when someone who's really good at this on the left, rips into someone who's really good on this in the right, they both win. They both get more intense followers because everybody's going damn right. They don't convince anybody that doesn't already agree with them. They just create more intensity that makes it harder to reweave this web that I think is what we need to do that can only be done at the local level. How do you think, you know, as we're building up at the local level with this, it connects with this national conversation you have. Again, the current leader of the Republican Party is somebody who's not really that interested in reconnecting the fabric of society. Are there people in the leadership of the Republican Party or could be leaders in the Republican Party who could present a different vision and then, you know, find somebody on the Democratic side who's willing to do the same and and change the conversation or is President Trump's dominance in the party. Does that make it not possible right now at the national level. I think he is a dominant force. He's not the dominant force, but he's certainly an important one. I think it wanes over time just as, you know, it's a natural progression of being a former. Your influence does aside, even Donald Trump's, you know, who spends a lot of time still trying to create the environment where it's all about him. But I do think there are ways to to forge consensus. I mean, my experience as governor was we passed a good year we would pass fewer bills actually than more but soon for a moment we would pass on average 150 bills during our session 140 of them were passed near unanimously. And there was an effort, even though Republicans dominated during my time there, there was an effort to make sure all voices were heard. And when I was governor, the more provocative the idea, the more I tried to find we use the term Nixon to China. It's better to find someone who doesn't look like me who doesn't agree with me on 10 other things on this thing they agree with me to have them be my partner, advocating whatever it was that we were doing. And that's easier done at the local and state level than certainly Washington, we're very little gets done regular order has been blown up. I mean, there is no budget process. There's no balance budget.  And most most states don't cheat. And, you know, there's pressures of pension obligations other things that go along with it. It forces the conversation towards yes. It gets ugly, you know, don't get passed by June 30 a lot of times, but it works. And Washington. There are very few rewards for that. I'd say the one place in Washington where you could find bipartisanship emerging would be if 10 senators are 12. In a Senate that's divided, you know, basically 5050, you if you had 12 senators and I, you know, we can name them 66 that just said on these five things, we're going to stick together. And we're not going to, you know, we're not going to let the game be played the way it's being played. And we're going to solve these problems. The gang of 12 could actually probably dominate policy. Now, does that mean the house would go along with it? Maybe not. Does that mean President Biden should go along with it? Hell yeah. I mean, he got elected to be that kind of president. And if he was given that opportunity, I think he would kind of default back or move back to the mean, which is his lifelong, you know, career was one of trying to find common ground, at least on domestic issues. So I think it's possible. And we've seen elements of this that emerge, sometimes successfully, sometimes not the infrastructure bill, which is the great success story. The only, I mean, terrific success story. Well, that was that was the gang of I'm not sure it was 12 but it was close to it. So 12 out of 100. Just today, yesterday, the governor of Michigan, Governor Whitmer and the Republican legislature agreed on a quite significant infrastructure bill, same thing bipartisan basis, and it came out a committee on a unanimous vote. So I guess the principle Michael would be on the things you agree on, at least on the things you agree on, put aside everything and come together. And then you can argue about the things you don't agree on. Go back to Twitter. But there's a lot of stuff where there's that is not as ideologically driven, and where there's an emerging view. I mean, in DC, I'd say China now, we confront China there may be variations of the policy but I think there's a real belief that I think it was, it was correct to assume to hope at least that China would move towards western values. As they liberalize their economy. And the last four or five years under President she is pretty clear that's not the case. Oh, you know, during the Trump presidency and the Biden presidency, the policy has been very similar and Congress has been unified. Ukraine's another example, varying versions of the support we need, but there's consensus. So, I mean, we focus on the things where there's big disagreements or the crazy stuff.  I mean, that's Nate. That's just that's dumb. But they got massive attention, massive attention. And so, you know, there was 95% of the Republicans that that had a different view, they got no attention. It's, you know, so the focus is on the conflict and the controversy, not on the good government of bringing people together and forging consensus but I don't know. I think most people are so sick and tired of the hyper partisanship that there could be an emergence of candidates in both parties. I'm doing this because we have to solve these problems and I'm willing to to figure out a way to get to yes.  He's fair enough. He's in a position where he can do that. And others probably should should, you know, figure out a way for them to play in that role as well. And I think that'd be really healthy. We'll see. I'm more heartened when I see what happens in at the state level where there are interesting things happening in a much more bipartisan way. They're still they're still, you know, they're still the hyperbole. There's still all the issues. But in general, it's different than what goes on at the nation's capital. Governor, you were mentioning to me the other day that one of the things you've been wondering about are the ways in which our culture and demography have been changing and how that influences what's going on in the political realm. I wonder if you could just reflect a bit on that. Sure. Well, demography is destiny in many ways. And our demography has changed pretty dramatically little by little and now it's accelerated. So we're thankfully as a as a, you know, Medicare beneficiary, I guess, you know, we're getting a year from now. My plan is to be a year older. And there are a lot of other people. It's the alternative. My age, my age group, my people, my age and up are the largest number that ever existed in American history. And so we are getting older. And behind us, our children are not forming families to the extent that they once did. They're deferring marriage and they're deferring having children. And so you see a decline in the fertility rate decline in family formation. And so, you know, the dependency ratio, which is this nerdy thing of people up to 18 and people over the age of 70 now are, you know, unsustainable for everybody else in the middle. And politically, the people my age and up dominate politics. And there are very few people that advocate entitlement reform to be able to provide resources for those in the middle and children that need, you know, to be able to be equipped to deal with the world we're in. So we have a $50 trillion net present value deficit in our entitlement programs. And it's like Alfred E. Newman, if you remember Mad Magazine, is what me worry. I mean, basically, you know, Alfred E. Newman is in charge of our entitlement policy. No problem. It's not going to happen. Republicans and Democrats alike, based on this new demographic trend of not rebuilding the pyramid either through a legal immigration system or a pro family system that would create, you know, a rebuilding of the base, it's unsustainable. It will bankrupt us. And it will crowd out all the expenditures that everybody wants, which is a strong national defense, Homeland Security, basic public health care dealing with the pandemic, all these other issues will subside because the automatic payments that are growing at a rate that is unsustainable. And no one is advocating changing that. No one that I'm aware of. You know, I had a plan as a candidate for president. It got no, I mean, I'm supposed to be the third rail and all that, but no one really cared.  It was like, so I think we need enough oxygen to talk about the policy because you were talking about the policy. Exactly. And then so that's one element that's really disturbing that we're not dealing with. Those are those are facts. That's not opinion. And it changes how we, you know, the relationship we will have with our government. And the second is this big cultural change that my belief is the biggest cultural change of the last 50 years was the 60s created the so-called counterculture became the dominant culture with many benefits. The ability of women to rise to, you know, still a long way to go, I guess, but but significant progress as it relates to civil rights, progress as it relates to the rights of women. That all came from the counterculture of the 60s and and the freedom to choose many different options in life, you know, less constrained by convention. All of that created a burst of creativity and a lot of things, but it's kind of worn out. It's welcome. And in our culture needs to be reinvigorated in many ways. And maybe that's part of the solution of what you what, you know, what you're concerned about is a cultural change may make it more possible to focus less on D.C. More, you know, in our own lives and our own communities and our own families to find solutions that are whether they're on the left or right, more bottom up. And it also could change our culture towards reconciliation, towards this whole notion of finding common ground, of creating a shared identity again, because we don't have that now. We used to have, I think generally there was a consensus of what it is to be an American. And today I think that's in a deeply divided country. I'm not sure that one's definition is going to be the same than somebody else that has a different political view. If we could restore that and then have the debate in a more narrow kind of focus, I think we would be restoration democracy would happen quite naturally. So I think about cultural change more than I do, you know, the tick tock of the here and now in politics. And it's changing. I don't know where it's going. I told you I'd love to have the secret power to go four years or five years into the future and peek back to see what the heck's happening here. Because and I think all of this, by the way, is accelerated with the pandemic.  All of that was existed prior to the pandemic. The changes were happening. It's been the disruption has accelerated those things, some of which are going to be really positive for our country. But we have to change some policies to make sure that people can customize their lives now in ways that gives them purpose and meaning. They can't be left behind because they don't want to work for the man, you know. Governor, you mentioned immigration as one way to renew our society and culture. Obviously immigration reform has been stuck in D.C. for a long time. A lot of ways that we define ourselves as Americans are at least used to is as a nation of immigrants. My dad was an immigrant. I feel deeply about immigration policy. I know that's an area you've thought a lot about. What should we be doing to move forward on immigration reform? I wrote a book about this. I have to admit it wasn't the best seller. It's called Immigration Wars. It was written after the 2012 election where the anti-immigrant kind of feeling emerged more on the right than the left. But on the left, there's a politicization of the immigration policy. And on the right, there's a, not across the board nativist, but there's a belief that we, at best, we need to fix the illegal immigration policy, which I totally agree with. And change the laws as it relates to asylum. There's reforms that are necessary to all countries should have the right to protect their borders. We shouldn't have a de facto open border policy. And by the way, that's a winning political issue. That's a 75-80% issue. And if Democrats are, you know, if they don't watch it, they're going to be harmed by this because of the number of people that have come in cutting in line of people who've waited very patiently in our legal system. I believe we should reform our legal system as well to make it look, to take advantage of the fact that we are a nation of immigrants. And that the vitality that legal immigration brings to our country is so exceptional and extraordinary. And so much, it's our one advantage that we have at scale in any country in the world. And yet, you know, we're trying to compete in the world with one hand tied behind our back with the current immigration policy. So there's common ground here, but you got to get past the argument of, on the one hand, saying that there's, you know, civil rights for immigrants that just cross the border, that they have the right to come. You know, 90% of the people that come across eventually two or three years later because of the overwhelming nature of the number of people coming that have claimed asylum, 90% receive a deportation order because they can't prove that they have a well-founded fear of persecution. And none of them, or very few of them actually will show up for the deportation hearing, you know, where they're sent back. So that's very upsetting. And then on the other side, we have people that are sent signals that are, you know, they believe that immigrants are not going to embrace the American ideal, the American experience. And there's no evidence of this.   They form more businesses. They are making contributions, irrespective of the little income when they come that pay their own way. And at the high end in the technology fields, it's essential for our continued superiority in the fields that are going to be the most dramatically impactful for prosperity for the country. So, gosh, I mean, it seems, you know, we've been arguing about this now for 20 years, and we're not closer, we're further away from finding common ground. That gang of 12, whoever, that may be a little more courage required on this one, but that would be a good place to start, don't you think? I think it would. I think it would. Let's talk about education reform. And then in a few minutes, we're going to invite our students to join us. Sure. We've spent decades working on education reform issues. We're coming out of a very rough period during the pandemic that really disproportionately hurt low-income students and students from distressed communities economically, whether rural or urban. I wonder how you think about where we are and, you know, as we're coming hopefully out of the pandemic, what areas you think we should be focused on? Well, I think there are a couple of things that have happened. Parents are more engaged and more aware of their kids' education because they, in many places, they took over, either as a partner with a teacher remotely or basically taking over the whole thing with very little interaction. With very little interaction with the schools. And so there's heightened awareness and that's good because ultimately any sustainable reform is going to require parental support and parental involvement. The pandemic brought out a couple of really powerful points, which is if you're going to create a shutdown strategy to deal with a virus, you need to focus on all of the impacts of shutting down the economy, shutting down schools, forcing families to be quarantined. Because the social costs of this are enormous. The learning losses are real. You can't automatically snap your finger and just automatically have those be regained. And frankly, the more open the schools were in states like Florida, there's no evidence that there's a higher infection rate that impacted teachers or impacted adults or impacted children than the ones that shut down and barely are thinking about coming back now. So hopefully we learn from these lessons and have a broader policy as it relates to future kind of crisis like this. The good news is parents are now more engaged and more interested in having the ability to choose what's best for their children. So you've seen an increase in the number of students going to charter schools. You've seen an increase the number of kids their homeschooled by a dramatic number and that's actually sustained itself after the opening began. And traditional schools have begun to see a decline. So I think everybody has to realize in order to get the students to come back to their schools, they're going to have to offer something that's more relevant for parents. Point number one, point number two, there's a huge digital divide in our country, and this became more apparent because of the pandemic. Part of the bipartisan infrastructure bill $40 billion is available to bring broadband into the urban core areas where broadband is too expensive or doesn't it doesn't exist and into the rural areas where it's it's very difficult. Very few places can you access broadband. And so that has to be done because hybrid learning is going to be a fact of life as well. And so our foundation is an advocate for a strategy as it relates to using this, the federal dollars to match with state dollars and philanthropy to be able to eliminate the digital divide, which can be done if we were serious about it. It's one of those big, hairy audacious goals that doesn't have the ideological tinge to it to be done. And then, and then the final thing I'd say is that the, I'm passionate about early childhood literacy. There is enough evidence to suggest that there are ways irrespective of, you know, when kids, when they start kindergarten. It'd be great to have a pre case strategy as well. But you can overcome these these gaps if teachers are well trained in the science of reading to teach kids how to read and a command focus on it. So by the end of third grade, they are basic readers rather than below basic readers. And that challenge is a challenge that's doable again, if we're serious about it, and it would deal with a lot of the divides over the long haul. If we at least started there, we work in 40 states, predominantly, you know, with conservative reform reformers. And there is a bipartisan consensus about early childhood education being part of this. I just, I think we should be have a little more edge to it. We shouldn't just say we're for it. We actually ought to have a gate that says if you're functionally littered by the end of third grade, you're going to be held back. We're going to make damn sure that we're going to develop another strategy to assure that your child can read before fourth grade starts where you're, you're reading to, you know, to learn things rather than learning how to read. My hope is that that isn't, you know, the unions get nervous about things where they're held to account. But in general, moms and dads know that their child has to be able to be functionally literate by the end of third grade in order to be successful in life. So I think I think the pandemic has brought out some challenges that creates opportunities for policymakers. And, and Michael, the good news is, I don't think I mentioned the word federal government or DC and that whole diatribe. This is not a DC issue. And so it can be done. You know, they're very bird varying versions of what I just described that might be different expressed by a Democrat governor than a Republican one. But the action is done in at the state capitals where there is, you know, a broader possibility of consensus. I wonder, Governor, there are these areas of consensus that I think are really important, but they're also at the state level, some pretty serious areas of division. Yep. No, I think how do you think about navigating that, you know, on the one hand you have this potential for a focus on literacy and early childhood education. But a lot of the heat right now is around things like banning the teaching of the history of racism in the United States, or in Florida even saying you're not allowed to talk about parents who are not traditional parents in heterosexual families, you know, thinking about the concern about limitation on the teaching of either racial history or teaching about gays and lesbians and alternative family structures or transgender youth. How do you think about how to have those conversations in a way that is building consensus again and not in these very divisive modes of acting? Yeah, I mean, these are these cultural issues are tough for sure. I, you know, I saw, I don't know if you've read the veto message of Governor Cox from Utah, who vetoed a bill that prohibited transgender students to participate in women's sports. I assume it was just women's sports. And, you know, his point was this, there are three, I think they've identified three young high school students that were in transition that were participating women's sports. But the signal this ends is to a much broader audience, and that we should show love and compassion. And I, you know, he recognized the fact that there ought to be rules around this issue. And I don't think people disagree with that people, you know, there's a fact the Olympic Committee and other NCA there, they actually have crafted rules that would made it made it more difficult next year for the woman that was that is in transition that became, you know, collegiate record holder, who was on the males pin swimming team last year and now is participating as a woman. So there are solutions to this. But it does require a little bit of humility and understanding and avoidance of these hot button issues where it's appropriate. So, you know, the, should we talk about curriculum in schools? Should parents have some say in the curriculum schools, I think that's an 80% most people say yes they want to know at least there should be transparency. But should we ban books? No, we shouldn't be banning books. There should be an allowance of free expression and as the older you go in the K-12 system, the more you have of that.  Identification or preference or how whatever it is, I don't, you know, in third grade, I don't think it's appropriate. And I think a majority of American parents would agree with that. But there are a lot of places where that are broader that I think the policymakers ought to focus on this rather than these hot button issues that are that are narrow. Michael, you brought up the impact that you believe is going to be of this, don't say gay, it's called by the opponents of the bill. I don't think that's going to be the impact.  But I think the principal objective of that was to say that K-3 student children should not be receiving any information about any of this stuff. That's the role of the parent. So we'll see how it plays out. But man, I mean, one bill of 500 that were presented to the Florida legislature probably got 90% of the attention and it was national.  Well, that is a deep and important issue. I think we're going to have to continue to discuss at another day because I want to invite our first of our Ford School students to join us. Bianca Shaw.  Yes, of course. Thank you, Dean Barr. And thank you, Governor Bush, for being a part of this important conversation. So as was mentioned earlier, I'm a part of the central student government here at U of N. And as a part of CSG, I've made efforts to increase civic engagement and student turnout through assisting and essentially navigating the voter registration and voting process. So as I am an out of state student myself, I know firsthand that there's a lot of barriers already to voting such as switching your voting registration, having different addresses each year, not having a state issued ID and more. And I work to promote the civic engagement as I want every individual's rightful voice on this campus to be heard, regardless of their party affiliation. However, throughout the country, we have now seen various voter suppression efforts founded on claims of voter fraud. These pieces of legislation often compound the diminishment of minority voices by disenfranchising black and brown voters. As voting is a key pillar of democracy, what measures should be taken to help work these targeted efforts and ensure that the right to vote is indeed a right for all Americans. So, Bianca, describe to me the voter suppression issues that passed in Florida was an example where there was a belief that that happened or Georgia or Texas. What are the elements of the bills that would suppress the votes since lack voter participation in, I don't know about Texas, but certainly Florida and Georgia is has been at historical high. And the amount of time available for voting prior to the election day is longer in Georgia and in Florida than it is in Delaware, where President Biden resides or New York or other states that are perceived to be more open for this. So there may be elements of the suppression that it would be helpful for me to understand because then I could answer your question maybe a little better. Sure. So part of what I'm talking about is voter registration as it relates to mail in voting where a lot of people because election is not a national holiday, people may have jobs or they're not able to get off to get off of work, especially if they were part time jobs or jobs that have less flexible schedules, or I've also seen legislation that limits what election officials can actually do in terms of helping and staying open and different different policies such as that that relate to those days on actual election day. So again, the states that have been accused of suppressing the vote actually have longer times for early voting than than many states that haven't changed their laws and haven't been accused of suppressing the vote. So as it relates to one of the one of the challenges that has come up is that during the pandemic we had extraordinary measures necessary to be able to have the vote take place in different counties because this is all administered by jurisdiction by jurisdiction. Unless you have a standardized state law, which Florida has had, I was governor in 2000, and we learned our lesson about decentralized voting rules. And so we created a single standard. But when you have executive orders done by mayors and in one part of the state that circumvent the law to allow for what they believe to be the proper way of doing things. And then the pandemic ends, you know, the law probably ought to be standardized again. So I totally agree that we should not be suppressing the vote. And I think it should be easy to do. And in most places it is and I think I'd say the one thing that I would disagree with is states that have absentee ballots that are not postmarked by Election Day. So I mean, there's some simple things that I think we can do to standardize the process to make sure that every vote is counted. But it ought to be based on facts because I know for a fact that voter participation, particularly in 2020, but certainly in 16 as well, is at an all time high, which is good.  And Joe Biden carried a state that a Democrat hadn't won in, you know, remember the last time probably had to be Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter, I think. Yeah. So those laws that were supposed to be suppressing the vote turned out to have created a bluer outcome in a state that traditionally was read. Bianca. Thank you Bianca. Let's invite in Michael Hauser to ask the final student question. Hi, Governor Bush. Thanks for your time. My question is about the role of religion in American political life and as it relates to democratic resilience. In the end of an opening statement you made at the Nexus Institute in the spring of 2016. You said that in attempting to uphold democracy. We need to learn to be warm hearted again. And you said that our first impulse is to be more interested in others than we are in ourselves and I couldn't agree more with that. In the United States, the cultivation of virtues like respect, kindness, generosity have often come from religious institutions. And that being said, given that religious leaders still maintain an influential role in influencing political behavior. How can policymakers work with religious leaders to advocate for the preservation of democratic norms and institution in an age where denominational affiliation is as likely an indicator of political preference as any other demographic characteristic. Thanks. Wow. That's a brilliant question. I'm not sure. You probably have a better answer on this than I do, but I would say, first of all, as a practicing Catholic, a convert. So I became a Catholic because my wife, I wanted to go to Mass with my wife and my children, you know, to grow up in the Catholic traditions. I was a cheating Catholic. I go to Mass, but I was an Episcopalian. So I went through the RCA process and it was an important part. It is today still an important part of my life, my personal life. And I never felt like it should it should always be an important part of my public life as well. But you don't put your deeply held moral views that come from religious traditions in a lockbox. And I think at least in the Catholic tradition, what you described as loving your neighbor, having compassion for those that have been left behind a sense of social justice. All of that is embedded in the Catholic traditions that have existed for many, many centuries. So not all people of faith embrace that. They see moral decline and they see, you know, they've embraced people that frankly don't embrace their own faith. And that conflict, I'm not an expert on why it exists. But I do think that it's a noble tradition in our country to openly express your faith in a way that's not like, you know, you're not casting judgment on others that don't embrace it. But it should be allowed on the public square and that we should have free expression, including religious faith. And frankly, if we did the conversation that Michael and I had prior to you getting coming on on the on the video probably be easier to do because we would, we would, you know, we could agree to disagree again. We could recognize that not everybody starts out in life the same way that we have an obligation and duty to lift people up. There's a lot of things that whether you're a conservative or a liberal, you could embrace all of which are financial foundational aspects of religion and faith. So I hope you stick with this in your in your studies, but more importantly in your in the career to come and I appreciate the service you've already provided our country. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Governor we're almost at the time but I wanted to ask just one last question you talked about at the beginning about the role your family played in teaching you public service and you have clearly passed that down to the next generation. When you're thinking about our students at the Ford School, and they're starting out their lives are undergraduates and our master's students going off into public service. What advice would you give to them. I would first advice would be, don't, don't automatically default to DC for public service. In fact, I would say in terms of policy, you could gain your policy chops far quicker in a more merit based system, which would be local and state government. When I was governor, we were it was a reform time and we were doing all sorts of things and I relied on younger people because I couldn't afford the, the experienced people we, we, you know, we have budget constraints and that's still to this day the case in most governments outside of Washington. And so I learned the skill of finding talents in people before they knew it. And so, you know, and now my alumni is comprised of people whose, whose life experiences I think were accelerated because they didn't go to DC. They became subject matter experts in fields that really irrelevant for the rest of their lives and they did that in little Tallahassee. So the first advice I would give is certainly that and the second is don't, you know, don't veer off. You've gone to a great school. And you've done it because you want to serve in the public arena. Don't be discouraged. In fact, you're needed. I'm demanding that you stay involved for the sake of our country. It's time for the old funny buddies to take the lead the stage. Frankly, I'm not for term limits by age, but come on, man. People, people are just clawing for sticking around and we need to let the next generation rise up in positions of responsibility. And so graduates of the Bush School and College Station and the Ford School, the Kennedy School, I think can can play a really constructive role in that regard, Michael. Thanks very much, Governor. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I know our viewers have as well and I really appreciate your time this afternoon. Thanks so much for joining us at the Ford School. God bless. Thanks. Take care. See ya.


Boom, we cut some punk hair. Hey, beautiful. Today we'll be looking at some scene emo punk hair.  I was definitely a scene queen.  Like it was like, and like teased in the back. I want that again.  Let's do it. Up first, we have a video by Blake Homie. All right, Homie. Let's see what we got. All right guys, hi. And unfortunately, I do have a bag from Sally's. She looks incredible and you can not tell me otherwise. Her piercings are so sick and her hair already looks great. We're starting off good.  That's the question. We already know what's gonna happen today. We don't even have to guess.  What is your secret?  I'm always trimming the top up here. I'm never like trimming down here. I don't want her to get rid of the blue. Let's see, what would I want her to do? What about red on the top, black underneath? Kind of cute. I could see that. Yeah, I know. After that, we're going to bleach it. We're whipping out the quick blue, baby. I feel like her root area is really dark. So she's gonna need that. I'm going to do like leopard print.  Blue leopard print. Oh! I'm gonna take the full dye to do like around the spot and I'm gonna dilute it to do the actual spots. Oh, okay. It sounds like a great idea. I am very much not sure if it's gonna work because that cover is already really light.  Or else that is not gonna show and it's just going to cancel out some of the yellow in your hair and turn gray. So I don't know. This leopard thing, I would like a leopard print but like a blue leopard print. I just don't think it's gonna happen, my girl. It's my first time. I got the color 50 turquoise. But yeah, other than that, I got this salon hair developer.  I just didn't know if I had enough of 30 volume. Which I really don't. So she's also using 30 volume with the quick blue. I think that's a good idea. I can't really tell how dark her hair naturally is but you guys know I love a good 30 volume and I know that's like a, you're not supposed to put it on your scalp but listen, I have been a dull process for literally so long. I don't use anything besides 30 volume with my scalp and it's perfectly fine. I would have worried about it. It doesn't feel any different than 20. And then I got the T18 to like tone the platinum up here. I don't know if her hair is gonna be light enough for that. I don't know if it's gonna do anything to her actually. We're about to start on our first step which we're gonna use these like dusty like dull clippers. We always need a good dusty whatever else. She said clippers. I don't know what the is going on here. Why are we just, you know, what is this? I think what would be easier for you next time is if you wet all your hair, you sectioned out lines going down. Okay. Picked it up with your finger and cut. That will give you a little bit more of an even result. That's not exactly how you would do it as a hairstyles but it would give you a better result and just clipping off the ends like that. Okay, I might be doing this to where it's annoying but I just don't wanna like take off too much. Like I would just go ahead and cut all the blue parts off with my scissors but I don't want it to like look weird.  And I love that. Sometimes I wish I could give less of a f***. I actually give so many f*** that I can't even f*** anymore. We're off to a rocky start and now we're getting the shears out. Refining the haircut. The beautiful haircut we just gave ourselves. Honestly though, it is looking kinda even.  Why do you guys always gotta do this to me? You gotta do some weird stuff to your hair and then all of a sudden it somehow comes out good. Maybe it makes sense. This is what it looks like. My cow leg is making it look like I have a bald spot over here. Wait, what are those two front pieces? I love it. I think it looks okay from up here. The back is not my problem. If it looks bad, don't tell me about it. I'm not even gonna watch this part of the video. The back looks okay. I know you don't wanna hear about it but it looks okay. Does the haircut make total sense? No, do I think that she could rock it even if it was done worse than that? Yes, so I don't think it matters. I have my bleach doll mixed up and I'm gonna start on the bottom because this is going to be the hardest part to lift and I'm not sectioning. I'm just going to fully saturate the piece since it is a very small piece of hair. Okay, inches. No, I can't wait till this grows like really, really super long and it's like crazy mullet territory. Whoa. It's probably not gonna grow that long because you are literally lightening it again and it's already pre-lightened and it's already blue. No.  It's probably not gonna remove all the blue pigment because blue is one of the hardest colors to get out of the hair. You know, doing a color remover? I actually love the Gaitan color remover. I used that last time I went brown and then I went blonde the next day. Don't tell me we're gonna lead this on the entire time we're doing the roots too. Please. Please. No. You should always start with the naturally darkest part of your head if that makes sense. We're getting that lightener on there. I mean, at least she's being thorough with it. We're not sectioning, but like she doesn't have a lot of hair down there so it's not really necessary. I fully saturated the ends. I'm just not sure when I wanna move up top more because like, look, it looks like it's getting light but that's because it has like a lightener on it. I think I'm gonna give it five minutes and I'm gonna start going to all of this stuff. But yeah, I think it's like, it's lifting nice enough to where I think I might dilute the dye I got and try to put it on top and maybe it'll fade out more beautifully than this did. We are officially leaving the lightener on the ends as we do the rest of the head. No, Blake. No. Oh, we're getting it in there. We are gonna miss some spots, 100%. Don't use a brush or anything. Yeah, of course not. Like, why would we use a brush? We should just use our hands and then just not section anything. Our hair's not quite short enough to do that.  There's gonna be dark spots and I just feel like there's not enough lightener going on our head right now. Her hair is so dark. Actually, can we just talk about that? Whoa. I'm so tired. Ooh. But we're going to continue. This is like after like, okay. I'm just drawing on the dots and then I'll do the dark part and then I'm gonna whip up a dye that's like something. It's not gonna be light enough, girl. I really want a good result, but it's not gonna be great. We are using the lightest blue. Not quite the lightest, but it's pretty light. I think I should go a little darker. I'm so happy she's using a darker color now. I don't know where we're going with this. I still don't. Okay, hi guys. It's like a few days later and I never really felt the motivation to like finish filming. Oh. This is how it turned out. The back is kind of like way lighter than the front, which is crazy because like my roots, they were supposed to be like the platinum. I don't really mind it. Like it looks pretty cute from the back, from the front. It's kind of like what's going on, but I love the way it blends into the back. She said it. Okay, it wasn't me. The leopard print didn't turn out too great. It kind of just looks like dots, but it still looks really cool. And also I'm kind of feeling like dying like this whole part purple. I mean, listen, you're literally cool no matter what in my book. Like you could literally do anything. But if I'm being critical, which I am known for, I want more. I want you to relight in that top of your hair. I want the back like dark blue or something, shave your hair shorter and then do actual cheetah spots with really dark blue and leave the middle out. So it's like white and blue. Like if we're going to do it, let's do it. It was an attempt. You're still cute. This next video is by Acid Milk. Oh, I love the name. So my plan is to go all pink with some yellow in my fringe. Oh, this is going to be a task. She's got not only blue in her hair, which is so hard to get rid of, but she also has black, which is also so hard to get rid of. I don't know if this is going to happen. First I'm going to try the vitamin C and clarifying shampoo method. I haven't had a lot of luck with this method before. It's because it doesn't work.  Vitamin C, it will take out the tiniest amount of color out of your hair. If it was a miracle, people would be packaging that sh** and selling it by the billions. I'm going to stand over this thing because there's a lot of stuff falling out. Kind of just adding shampoo to anywhere that feels kind of dry. All right, I think everything's been covered up. It looks like it's coming out a bit. It's definitely not going to take out all the color, but it could take out a little bit of it. I would be happy with that. Okay, so this is where I'm at after my first vitamin C treatment. This did not really want to move too much. When you look closely, you see some brown spots. It did something. I'm actually really satisfied with that. So I'm going to try it out one more time just to see what happens. I'm going to start by saturating it. As much as possible on the black because I want to see it do something. So this is where I am right now after my second vitamin C treatment. It's still pretty vibrant by my roots. The rest of it is fading pretty nicely. This side, however, did minimal lifting. Okay, so my next method is something that I've done before to get hair dye out and it worked kind of well. Baking soda, dish soap, and 10 volume developer. Thoughts and prayers, please. The black looks a little promising. So after my little baking soda adventure, I don't think it did too much to the blue but the black does look like it lifted a tiny itty bitty bit. Like you can definitely see it has more of a brown tint right now. It's just not going to cut it though. I want to try this little hair color remover. I feel like it's so thick that every time I pick it up it just drops somewhere. Maybe I should focus more on the black side making sure I don't run out of product. It doesn't look like it's doing anything to either side. Look at this, nothing. My black side is mostly dark brown except for some little patches here and there. My fresher roots are still pretty blue and the rest of it is pretty blonde. We've removed the color a few times now. It's been a lot. It's not that much lighter. I don't know, I guess so. But we're on to the actual lightening process. This is where I feel like things are gonna get juicy. I heard that this cream lightening stuff is way better for your hair than the powder lightening stuff. I never heard it's better for your hair. I don't know how that would work. If it's lifting your hair like five shades lighter it's probably not gonna be good for your hair. Actually, impossible. So, typically cream lifts more than powder mixed with developer. I don't think it's any better for your hair. I will do all of this with 20 volume. I'll do my bright roots with 20 volume and then I'll do all the light stuff with 10 volume. 10 volume literally provides you with the most tiniest bit of lift. It is possible in this situation because it is developer, it could do something. We should probably use 20 on the darker side with foils or with 30 volume and open air and then do 20 volume on the blue side to lift it out, okay? And then put it on at different times. You can do a lot of things. At these little guys, apparently they mimic oliplex. Okay, we're putting a bond building product into the lightener, which is great. I'm glad we're just at least trying to keep the integrity of our hair. That is quite a band of blonde. This half is easy. I just put in 20 volume all over the place. You're gonna wanna avoid the root at first, okay? Because we have the heat from the scrub. I'm gonna start yelling it out of my window, my car. I'm just gonna be like, oh, you have heat from your scalp. It processes things faster and brighter. So you're gonna wanna do that last. And it makes things more complicated, I know. But it's like, that's hair color. I swear to God, if one of y'all come in my comments like, actually that's not how you're supposed to do it. Brad Mondo said, this is an anti-Brad Mondo channel. Brad Mondo, if you see this video, I just wanna let you know that I have no reason to believe you're not a fraud. What? I'm a fraud? I always say this, but you guys give me too much credit when you call me a fraud. Because you imagine if I was here fully somehow making up a whole career for myself. Look at her. I don't think I'll have any problem putting pink over that. But what I am gonna have a problem with is how different the levels are gonna be. Because I know I'm not gonna be able to get this to the same blonde that this side is on. What is going on? If you wanna come after me today, I'm gonna come after you. Because now we're beefing. What are we doing with this color, man? This application is wild, like horizontal sections, guys. You can literally just take a section across your head, paint the bottom, paint the top, do the mids and ends first. Go all the way up, bang, bang, bang, boom, boom, boom. Do it in like this pattern type. And then go back and section out and do all the roots after, okay? You can actually be kinda messy with it when you're doing the roots. You can literally just take your hands and like if you really want to at that point, I will allow you to just like, just get the lightener all over those roots after. This is what the bag is looking like. The roots, fine, everything else, less fine. I'm gonna give everywhere a nice little lathering in the 30 volume. So now we're putting the 20 volume over the 10 volume which makes it a volume. So we're actually increasing it. The 10 volume we put on the ends of the hair. Also, I can tell that the roots are processing faster. Obviously that was gonna happen. We call that in the first place, but we're getting hot roots. Okay, this is what's going on right now. This is a very gingery. Looks like it just got bleached from black sort of color. And this got pretty blonde, I must say. So I'm about to do my second round of bleach. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We're doing another one. I mean, she needs it, but is she gonna do it right? I don't think so. We need to get those dark bits processing faster than the lighter bits.  I think I am gonna do all of the orange side first and then I'm gonna go back and fix all the blue. So now I'm gonna go through and pick through all the nasty parts of my hair. Front first, since it's the worst. No, she put it on her roots again. No, no, no, no, no, no. That hurts so bad. Like that was two times in one day. It is now day three. Oh. What's going on? I am very fried. Oh. This side is really bad. Okay, what are we doing for the final color though?  The under chunk of my fringe is gonna be pink because I think it would blend well with the rest of the pink going on. I can definitely see some of the spots where the black didn't lift. The pink is going to be, I think, dark enough to cover up the mistakes. Hey, I'm gonna be real surprised if this dark stuff turns out good with the pink. Man, this doesn't look too good. So this is what I ended up with. This little experiment, it's gross.   Now I just have to manage to copy this line so it'll be symmetrical. Whoa, we are getting creative. I'm glad we're sticking with the pink on the other side too. I feel like this is gonna be good. I do wanna see here color those blonde parts though. Like I want color everywhere. I do have a feeling I'm gonna be adding more black to other places in my hair. Okay, we're finishing off by coloring the underneath section black. Pink, black, and blonde is a strange mixture. It just bleeds so easily. We're about to see the final results. My hair is officially done. Oh? Yeah, I don't know about this. I feel like it's missing something, but I think it's growing on me. I don't know if I'm done forever. Like I might add something, whether it be black in my fringe or dying this yellow. I don't really know, but right now it's this. Overall it is damaged, but it's nothing some deep conditioner can't fix. I am kind of pleasantly surprised by it. Okay, I love the makeup. Oh my God, you look so pretty. I feel like we're just missing something. Like we need the yellow. We need to color that blonde piece, I feel like. I want it more. I want yellow. I want more colors. I want bigger hair. It's almost there, but it's only my opinion.  And one day I hope to win over your love. Well, that was fun and horrifying. They had some iconic hair, I will say. And yeah, I'm jealous. Okay, I need to have more fun with my hair. If you'd like to check out my hair color or my hair care line, you can do so with the links right down below or go to xmoneyhair.com. You can also get some hair inspiration or some hair color inspiration on my Instagram pages right here, bang bang boom. And you can check me out everywhere else as well. If you'd like to check out more videos, you can do so bang bang boom bang bang bang bang boom. You know, if you're not already subscribed, that would be super cool. And if you want to click the like button, I'm not saying you have to, but I would love it. And thank you for spending time with me today. Don't forget to live your extra life and I'll see you next time. Bye.