What's up. Well BPD. It's draft night draft day Johnny Mansell we'll see if the next can grab him in the later rounds. Currently joined by. He should he is from everything I know he's very available big baby David how you doing tonight brother nature. Not bad not good man I'm good that I'll be honest that shams bomb was kind of a bomber huh. Like get that out of here like even if that's true. Like come on you know yeah I was on edge like all day worried like is someone gonna swoop in it to Kenny's in. Joining the program are you doing big daddy. Yeah I'm doing good I'm doing good at this race home. You hear about volumes a little low will flirt with big baby David for a little bit there's the headphones. Can how you doing we were just talking about how shams kind of killed the drama for a little bit. So again I was trying to fix my mic. We're talking about how shams kind of killed the drama. What part when you announced the first three picks of the draft. I don't know I mean it it was what we expected yet at the same time it's like come on shams. Yeah and I don't know if you remember this when which first went there.  These picks before they come out right and then shams did it and then ESPN was like do whatever you want. Because I was trying to mess with the game. Yeah. They drop the big F. U. yeah what why doesn't he change his username to wow shams God by the way. Feels like a layup. But I'll tell you this that Greg absolutely hates it. When those guys tweet out the text before they happen.  Yeah I don't like that. Like I think that should be marked down as like bad reporting. Like like clearly we're doing this for entertainment value at this point. Like what why you got to be like that.  Yeah like and you're finding out like. Two minutes for every house announces it like come on. Come on you're not really breaking news like everyone else is going to find out. Two minutes later anyway. But you know that's that's that's journalism you know it's just the game we play baby. So I mean are we are there any nerves are are is there still a chance that we hear Darius Garland's name. Or are we just it has to be our J. Barrett at this point to too big to fail with our J. Barrett. I think that's been kind of the general thought for a while. I think everyone was we were saying that even last week like there's not much drama or kind of anticipation coming up as we know we pretty much know what it's going to be and now even more so than then. But you know it's a it's a draft and you think it happened. Someone could make a ridiculous trade into the top three and change something but. I don't see that happening but it could happen. It always could it always could be B. B. D. you were kind of it's been funny to watch this whole thing circle around because. Pretty much the rest of us in Nick's nation had talked ourselves into Kevin Durant coming. We're going to end up trading the third pick whether it's for. A. D. Bradley Bradley veal. C. J. McCollum whoever we can get. The picture has changed a lot. Significantly in the past eight days or so. You are on you were on R. J. Barrett first though you liked R. J. I think you were dreaming up a world where R. J. Barrett and Kevin Durant. Could play together. Well there's a chance they could do that in a year or so. But we still don't think that's we still don't know but we do. We're ninety nine percent right now we're getting R. J. Barrett are you happy with that. I like it I I was always down to keep R. J. I was not against trading for someone like A. D. with that you never became a real possibility. But I definitely like the idea of just drafting R. J. and keeping R. J. and calling it a day gets me very excited because like you said I like the guy a lot. Yeah and we we we have Adam Silver stepping to the podium at the Barclays center. Tall strong and handsome that's how I like him. Say hi to the Barclays center crowd will will see who will be playing there in a couple months we think I read. I was congratulating Toronto very nice very very nice. And and you know what I let let's go to positive town before we go to negative town which is easy on a lot of next podcast. R. J. Barrett was the number one recruit coming out last year. He was five games ten games into this college season it was still a very strong discussion. That R. J. Barrett could be the number one pick in the draft. A month and a half later here we are the Zion show happened. John Morant I respect the hell out of any looks great there's we're we're not going to poke holes at John Morant at all. You like my yeah we we like Moran and we I think I mentioned that one percent we don't get R. J. Barrett we we still haven't we still have the back of our head. That you're right big baby David those big gas. Now I'm good. New Orleans pelicans on the clock guys I'm leaning Zion but. I have a feeling. I mean we should still be satisfied with this this R. J. Barrett is a guy that I think in a lot of drafts could very well be a number one pick. And I think if Zion Williamson wasn't the default number one I think for the past three months we would have been talking about who's number one. Zion or excuse me R. J. or John Morant is that fair. Yeah I mean that's absolutely true if you told me at the beginning of the year we'd we've kind of backpedaled into R. J. Barrett I'd have jumped for joy so it can't really be upset that we're in this spot today. Yeah I agree with that I think you know and even Zion probably would have been in that conversation before kind of he had a historic college basketball season like it could have been a debate until you just put such ridiculous numbers but in any event like all three of these guys have kind of star potential and franchise changing potential so you know I don't I don't think we can be too upset with any of them I think David said it on lottery night that these we needed what we needed a top three pick and that's that's kind of that's kind of the long and short of it and we ended up with a top three pick. If we had dropped out of the top three it would have been a completely different conversation. Yeah we would be having heavy debates right now over Darius Garland, Jared Culver and other other familiar faces speaking of familiar faces an old friend to the Talking Knicks program has joined us our one our only Boston representative we've ever let on the show Kevin McMuffin McGovern Kevin we don't have your audio right now but you look great audios audio is a big part of the YouTube podcast world I won't hold it against you we'll come back to Kevin we'll come back to Kevin in a minute right now we've got Marty Smith in the streets of New Orleans which what what NBA draft is incomplete with that um do we like Marty Smith is he nuts he's a little nuts I don't care much for the man how did he go from NASCAR to college football correspondent to NBA draft like that's I'm in for that I think you're on that track Jake something like that oh and we're crowd surfing alright now this is an NBA draft baby um whoa you like what the Pelicans are doing Dave I mean so I've lost track with all the moves that happened in the last hour and a half so they got like they have one eight seventeen is that where they're at now first they absolutely looted the Lakers and then they traded the four pick for eight and seventeen and thirty five I got where the Solomon Hill that's it they got the yeah something like that they're in a great spot ooh Zion in the white suit if Kevin's here first thoughts still nothing from Kevin I'm sorry what an audio nightmare um Kenny are you you and I have had heated debates on Zion Robinson I mean we've been at each other's throats with knives yeah that sounds right that was one time um I mean you people are saying with the pelicans kings ransom from the Lakers Zion whatever ends up if they keep true holiday if they end up doing something there you have to love what David Griffin's doing right even though you think science terrible that doesn't even come close to what I ever said okay okay then what did you ever say my my whole thing is I think Zion has some obvious flaws in his game one being that he's a 64 power forward that's 285 pounds and relies on athleticism I think he's one bad injury away from just not really being able to do much but I think you know to the extent that he stays healthy and maybe he maybe he's an absolute freak like LeBron where you know he can carry that but what if he does do good things like that'd be fine his other problem is that he can't shoot which in today's NBA there are not that many stars who can't shoot Ben Simmons being the obvious guy who who's kind of on the other side of that where but he's been absolutely exposed in the playoff the other big person that people talk about is Giannis but Giannis can shoot a little bit I'm not convinced that Zion's going to be able to shoot that well from the NBA range against NBA defense but we will see but either way I think you're right you can jump in now because you got the collection I don't know who it's going to be Adam Silver first pick of the NBA draft wow Diane Williamson I didn't see that coming Jared Culver first Texas Tech player to go one no we're uh it's happened Zion Williamson officially I posted a picture of Zion Williamson Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and Nick Garb less than a month ago and I hate myself so much which might be unrelated to that too but good for the Pelicans good for Zion I like the kid a lot and by the way we got the chat going if we've got any questions or comments in the chat we will interact with you big baby David do you like the pick hey I want to say something to the Pelicans yes oh yeah it's the obvious pick we've talked about it for months Zion is just going number one and if no one gets to reset their franchise now they will go from one franchise star to another wow let's go hot take radio this is usually our best segment oh oh I don't think that but I threw it out there NBA Hall of Fame Kenny uh I'm going to say no wow big baby David well no if you want to play the numbers game but uh I mean he's going to start towards that as you can be right I've got him as such a lock I love him and I think that tells you how like too ridiculously how you are on Zion like so much has to go right for you to make the Hall of Fame and like the fact that you think he's a lock already having not played a single NBA basketball Hall of Fame so soft man I mean we're we're going to get some guys trickling in there Dwight Howard is going to make the basketball Hall of Fame yes he's going to Greg Odin is still his borderline I mean flip a coin on that we've got some comments on like bicep Sam Searing again says I don't know if we want to talk about that what's that Ken is crying very emotional he's having having trouble speaking yeah they had to pass him a fairly extreme cry holy smokes in there yeah these are like Grey's Anatomy cries these are no joke these are like emotional episode of Scrubs Ken yeah I'm saying like he's I mean I'm not faulting for the guy at the moment but just pointing out he was really really letting loose right now this is like having a couple beers and watching a good episode of Queer Eye this is like serious water works um he hates New Orleans I think that's why I love he loves me he's hasn't he never been to New Orleans isn't this going to be his first trip to New Orleans when he goes for the first time I think they said that that could be true he must have seen him he's been there by now so hard on that right I'm starting to think the only reason I like sports is when sports gives people an excuse to party the streets the streets of New Orleans are packed just because they're drafting Zion they've known for weeks I mean let's let's be fair though New Orleans looks for any reason to pack the streets yeah it's kind of they have the one street in America that's always packed so I guess that wasn't the hottest of takes Zion with more tears most tears per draft pick we've ever seen tears expert Greg Poon as I am we're like crying okay and that was Greg Poon thank you so much for joining us I am more like crying oh that's actually pretty good and we're throwing another Hail Mary Kevin McGovern oh my god still you gotta work on your computer go to your settings check out the audio input settings the mic settings I don't know man it's not working for you let's try that Kevin just keep talking when we hear you we'll let you know um this might seem this might seem bad that we're boxing out our only boxing course Grizzlies pick is in Jameran wow good head of lettuce good I mean this I think it was so funny oh we were talking Grizzlies rumors today were they gonna trade the pick so they could pair Barrett and Zion I think it was funny that we said that wow his dad was teammates with Ray Allen how about that where we're a big Ray Allen podcast yeah um man still in the Kevin I haven't seen you in a while man I feel so sorry I want to hear that voice are you just mute now are you just mute now yeah I'm echoing through Kevin's computer now which is devastatingly bad but the mic's not working that's wild I think Kevin's just gone mute Jameran talking on the stage Greg Poon I've already dubbed him as a guy that's gonna end up on our all swaggy guards team what do you have on jaw yeah I mean like I said I was I was at the NCA tournament round one when he put up that triple double right against Marquette messed around he really threw it down on some guy two handed and I've been sold ever since freak athlete he's an okay shooter great passers he is team swag I mean that did you just see that around the drip around the back dribble no look pass I mean that's that's swagalicious I'm interested to see and I don't want to talking about right there we don't have our body guy Tom Pickler on the podcast Jamerant right now weighs what buck seventy if that he's got to put a little meat on the bone that's a good call big body David jumping in there like that plan words I mean I think it's less of a concern at this point it's not like there's a lot of guards or anyone really that's gonna take you into the post and post you up if you're that skinny in the NBA anymore so he's got the foot speed you might get bullied a little bit but not as much as it used to be in the olden days Ken don't tell that to coach Fisdale's new favorite player Kadeem Allen because he will post you and toast you and that might be our offense this year three and a half minutes on the clock for the Knicks we got Jamerant interview going on no water works making Zion look real soft we're like cry on Zion's a bad guy oh no Greg Poon gun to your head Zion Williamson basketball Hall of Fame yes or no um no God darn toon that's not like a high bar you could have said all Jake says he's a lock like that's too high to be on anyone I think he's a lock well I was right on Greg Oden and I was right on Adam Morrison so let's uh no that's not true that's a nice moment that's a nice lid too Ronnie Moran that's how you end up on the all swag team Jared Jackson Junior looks exactly like Jared Carmichael I'd like to see big baby David in that hat guys we are two minutes and twenty seconds away from the future of the Knicks um Rui Hachimora hopefully no um what do we okay how about this we we we half laughed half enjoyed Zion's emotion what do we want to see do we want RJ Barrett come out crying Peacock in do we want to guarantee playoff tell me pick is in can you hear me yeah wow just as the Knicks pick comes in our Boston correspondent Kevin McGovern is here to break it down with us Kevin Howard Mike Lee's at the in the building Spike Lee in the house Kevin how are you bud great it's so good to hear your voices and I'm sure just as well for you to hear mine alright and that's all we've got from Kevin on the night we're going to jump to RJ Barrett um went with the pink top do we like that I'm going to stop listening for a minute no one talks to me okay that's fine well Ken is going on mute he's excited for this moment we've got a Knicks fan with the please the don't screw up sign in classic Knicks fashion um Kevin you're an you're an outsider to the Knicks world yes you like RJ Barrett I do I do I'm a big fan I think he's a he's a real dynamic player which to be honest players oh god Greg the audio RJ Barrett's been picked um we're pleased I think that's a good picked as an unbiased um sometimes Knicks fan big baby David just fell over in his chair um yeah you guys got like 10 seconds ahead of me so I thought I thought that was raw emotion that was you getting away from us RJ Barrett going on the stage all pink I'm into it I can dig it Greg pick is in let's see who they pick I don't have cable sorry yeah we've got a few people on apps here um RJ Barrett RJ Barrett coming to the stage pink suit I'm feeling it silver's pretty tall yeah I miss David Stern being up there I kind of think you need a short commissioner is that a hot take he's the only guy only for basketball um we're getting some RJ Barrett alright so what we've got excellent rebounder for his size um alright we've got him with a nice hook back over Luke May sure good highlight what player comparisons do we think we're going to get from the ESPN crew here in Miller what's his name he's been throwing hard and out there a lot also I wonder rebounds well for his size he's a big war haha and that's why that's seven guard rebounds well for his first Chauncey's player comparison Jalen Rose no right like I don't I feel like RJ is a little better with the rock in his hand no sounds like a no hopefully what's going on in the chat I guess Jalen Rose was hyped uh we had Zach Klein was looking for bull bull yeah we got the chat going right now um how do I say it it's on the side of it teammate selected in the top three Luel Cinder, Lucious Williams, Okafor and Ben Gordon we love that AD and Kip Killfist Jesus um Wiggins and Embiid and Zion and RJ Barrett um if one of you guys has the TV a little loud if we could turn that down a notch get off the damn shit um the Lakers picking at four just made me laugh out loud whoever walks on the stage right now has to wear a Lakers hat even though he's technically being traded from the Pelicans to the Hawks now yeah yeah that's whoa I was fixing my computer yeah he's got to put the Lakers hat on because nothing goes until 6th yeah until July this trade doesn't happen so that's wild that like the Pelicans traded the pick but they don't even have yet so we we have the consensus number three are off the board let's do our first around the horn oh again RJ Barrett Jersey in the building I like that that's the crying Corzingis kid oh it is Rudy go bear with that I don't know who started this pink suit thing but I like it did he wear a pink suit get out of here Rudy Kevin McGovern I'm going left to right on my screen go for it the top three in this draft was the top three number four pick who do you like you a Garland guy you a Deandre Hunter listen I like I like the guys that are flexible and can play a lot of different positions so I am a sucker for just athletic bigs or athletic wings in general Hunter scares me because I just don't think he can score at this level but he's already a pretty good defender he'll be able to you know slot in kind of right away but I I don't know I depends on needs but for me I would probably go Hunter over Garland I'm not as high on him to be honest I don't know what you think about Garland I don't know anything about him classic Hunter like didn't post stats at Virginia but he posted efficiency like 15 and 5 and he shot like 50% from the field he was over 40% from 3 you wonder how much of that had to do with Virginia's offense though Virginia played a very slow methodical basketball game like if you were playing in a more up tempo school maybe you would have put up more stats that's where the NBA is going Kyle Guy potential number one pick next year big baby David on tier watch we got some light tiers from our kind of appropriate tiers not Zion more like crying big baby David who's your four guy in this draft for me it would be Garland I think just after this week I got really into watching his film and I like him I probably have taken him at four if the Knicks were in that spot but I had no problem with Hunter going this high okay that was very assuming that's the guy super well said if you throwing a cuss word or something next time that was like too appropriate Kenny you got to lean on a four guy play that game good Kenny you got to I mean I think all the noise said it's going to be Garland right so I got noise I said they turned it up to get Deandre Hunter oh did they didn't even know that see I was driving here so I missed that but I heard a lot of people like Garland I don't know much about him from what I understand he's he's in the Curry Trey Trey Young mode where he's just launching threes and handling the rock and I think that's where the NBA is going so it's a good place to be but like big baby David said you know maybe it was it was in the govern but you need athleticism and you need athletic wings and I think Tom Piccolo would agree with that if you were here on the podcast surprise surprise I was going to say completing our nights at the round table session talking Nick's body expert and another guy you can argue for the for the fourth most valuable player on this program Tom Jay Piccolo how are you hey guys I'm doing pretty well what did I miss what happened Zion we're like cry on John Moran John Moran did you see the tears Zion Williamson let out I did not I just saw RJ crying with his father which is a beautiful moment and I think it's going to be memorialized in Nick's history at some point so that was great but I did not see Zion crying I didn't see it either was RJ or Zion's cry what the kids mean when they say drip oh good god baby no no no and it well hour six of the Joe Rogan podcast and we're here no Tom he was like leaking out the eyeballs it was actually pretty it was kind of nuts for someone that's known they're the number one pick for the last three months so I'm going to check Twitter now for that I was just spending we just had dinner with my in-laws they celebrated my birthday so I was like guys you have to leave I have to do a podcast so Lakers pick is in for the Lakers are picking for themselves the Lakers pick for New Orleans for the Hawks is in Deandre Hunter nice wow I think they might cancel the AG trade wow hot take from Dave big baby drip Dave Tom we're circling around and we talked about RJ Barrett having appropriate tears as Nick's fans that have been anxious for the past month for the past year I guess miserable for the past year anxious for the past month the Katie stuff happens all of our plans change we have late rumors of Darius Garland we should be happy with RJ Barrett right now yeah is there any disagreement there we should be thrilled that we have RJ Barrett I mean yeah Garland is he's such an unknown at this point I know he played those four games at Vandy and ojik you're a Vandy guy through and through and a guy but at the same time like we saw a huge sample size from RJ Barrett he was the leading scorer in the ACC as a freshman he put up some pretty incredible numbers and he's got great size I'm sure you guys have talked about his body at this point in the pod so I won't even bring it up we saved all the body segments for you if you want to talk about the top four draft picks bodies we're here for it I mean look RJ's got people in comparison to Dimar DeRozan who also does have a great body he's a freak athlete people don't realize I think Dimar was in a dunk contest back in the day and if he wasn't no one's a fact check it so who cares I mean no RJ is he's strong he's smart he's and he wants to be a nick he really wants that he carries himself with that swagger and I'm thrilled for him to be on the team I wish the nicks had the 31st pick in the draft too but we don't need to I mean have you guys already brought up Travis where and has that not come up yet uh we uh we specifically said no Travis where that's me and Tom as we say every podcast um Tom last body question how much would your dad say Jon Marant weigh soaking wet I mean no more than a buck 45 no I was always wearing shoes according to Bill Jon Marant according to Mr. Piccolo with the five nine and a half 145 with weighted shoes on but guys catch me up a little bit here so what is this number four pick with Atlanta how do they did they sneak their way into this or what happened so yeah big baby David you're kind of our transactions guy okay so four two New Orleans in the AD trade and then New Orleans flipped that into 817 and uh early second 35 so now uh they unloaded Solomon Hill in the process so do you think that the bigger part of that was unloading Solomon Hill just from their perspective why wouldn't you want just to stock up as much talent as you can around Zion just young talent um I don't know they get more bites at the Apple as they say but the number four pick is not something you just sort of I mean but people say four through whatever are all the same in this draft yeah five four through thirty four through thirty five and they got three instead of one I can't believe our draft this year I can't believe I can't believe more bites from the Apple is the second dirtiest thing said in this podcast so far um yeah I don't know that uh David yelled penis at one point not a joke not a joke um I wish it was is saying anything good are people listening to him I haven't seen anything great if if you're the Cavs you have to be kind of stoked Garland's there right you pair him with Sexton and you say have fun boys and see what you got in the backcourt Cavs two little guys yeah you got an undersized backcourt but I mean if they can both be if Garland turns into a lesser staff and can knock down shots maybe but yeah you're pretty undersized was that directed at me or the Cavs backcourt that's at the too easy I think you're oversized yeah there's an argument that I could be you could put me on both full statements depending if we're going height and weight um which again brings us back to Kadeem Allen and here we are do we think he's the future no I'm not talking about Kadeem Allen on what's supposed to be a happy night alright have you guys talked about the possibility of moving Frank yet has that come up Frank hasn't been in Tom Tom I was funny I was going through my head a minute ago on who's who's the experts in this chat right now Tom's our body expert Dave's my transaction guy Greg is somehow the swag and the P.A. agreement guy which is rarely seen on a podcast Kevin's Kevin's are give us an opinion outside of New York Ken Poone you are Frank Nealakina expert and lover are we trading are we trading Frank tonight I think it would be weird if we traded Frank for a second round pick which is people have said just because I mean we talked about it earlier in the season before everything went down with all the injuries and stuff that maybe it makes sense to trade him to create some additional cap face but at this point if we don't know what's happening next year and there's a possibility we're just going to still be a rebuilding team selling really low on him doesn't make sense maybe if you get a late first rounder then you have something to work with there but I think if you push it into the second round it begins to make a little bit less sense and Kenny is it is a late first rounder really going to have the kind of upside that Frank has given where he was taken how young he was when he was drafted so how young he still is today and then like just if he's able to figure out if the Knicks can sort of enact any kind of player development then you think that his better than that of a late first round pick I'm very much on that train I was just trying to not be too much of a Frank Homer but I absolutely agree with you still young and I have to believe like if he stated France for another couple years he would be drafted higher than late first round at this point that is an interesting point Kenny if we'd never seen Frank Nealakina play basketball we'd still think he'd have higher potential that was kind of an unnecessary jab who does anyone think Frank is off the team by tonight I saw I think Bagley say he's pretty sure he's safe but I also saw another rumor that the Thunder are trying to move 21 to get off like Roberson's money so maybe there's a taking on Roberson giving them Frank situation yeah I've got the pick is in the Cavaliers here I don't know if I'm delayed compared to anyone very delayed well don't tell I'm on boy oh come on that was a lie they drafted Garland with the all time undersized backcourt screw you guys biggest question though right now is who is Minnesota going to pair with Keita Bates D'op let's not relive last year's nightmare I thought about saying something on your introduction Kevin nightmare it still it still stung my soul um who's up right now Phoenix Cavaliers got Garland I don't know if he was the people's traded for number six yeah exchange for Dario Sarge and 11 so Dario Sarge is on the now yeah 11 Sarge getting tossed around like insert third inappropriate joke this podcast careful so Phoenix unloaded the number six pick yes for 11 and Sarge I don't know like that's just I mean when Phoenix that's what everyone says when Phoenix doesn't like the draft prospects doesn't that seem like something's up no they got they got Sarge though they're always wrong though they're always wrong just whatever your guts tell your opposite um take Jarrett Clover take Kobe white take I mean I don't know I think that there's still some talent left on this board and by 11 I'm not so sure because you'll be in the you'll be even past the camera territory at that point but I think in this part of the draft you're still you still have some good prospects they got Sarge though Sarge is good you guys do love Sarge maybe Phoenix maybe some size maybe Phoenix just doesn't give a who they get from 6 to like 12 they think they're all the same whichever ones left they'll just take I'm telling you 4 to 35 all the same Phoenix just cut their whole scouting department to save some money and was like we're gonna trade for Sarge I'm comfortable saying Phoenix doesn't give a shit that's just cross the board I don't think they do don't worry about life yeah I don't know like I kind of like Kobe White running in Phoenix but apparently Minnesota is on the board and what do they need everything who's still there Kevin it's just Wiggins Towns and Cada Bates they've got a decent front court so maybe picking up a point guard is not a bad idea pairing with Derek Rose I don't think they picked a guard you know that guy I mean I don't know to be honest the T Wolves are in a weird spot to me it's like they're a little bit behind on going full rebuild mode but they haven't fully committed to it so I'm a little mixed bag right now with the T Wolves we're thinking T Wolves okay we're running it back we're seeing Barrett and his dad celebrate nice fist pump RJ have a little brother who's that guy do we get him if we draft RJ what are the rules the JR Smith Christmas situation I think oh my god that's too soon so we do we do get him at least so yeah the 11 pick and sorry honestly I don't hate that if you again we're giving the sons credit for making a transaction which is horrifying but if you genuinely couldn't tell the difference between prospects 6 through 12 and you can get Dario Sarge that could be alright and you save money on the pick which matters to them I don't know where you guys are but the Cavaliers are about to pick Tom's watching the 2011 draft they took Kyrie wow I mean he seems like he could be problematic in the clubhouse but the guy can play Kev you want to give us like I'll give you till the sons pick is in to give us a Celtics update of what's going to happen with that so word on the street is that they're probably going to try and package all of their picks no I have no idea total chaos right now I don't think A plan B's have blown up and so we're in a little bit of a scramble mode I think actually what I did here is that they were trying to make a trade last night with a few of those draft picks to move up they apparently really liked Hunter but clearly that didn't happen so to be honest I have no idea where they're going to go right now I mean D are you in the mode of that they're going to add more young talent and almost like go into a little bit more of a rebuild or do you think they're going to bring in bodies or a little column A column B I think that they're probably going to get back to the roots and just have a bunch of bad players and be really good rather than have good players and be bad over the fence I mean a lot of the conversation that was going I don't know if you guys listen to Kendrick Perkins at all and some of the stuff that he does it's not great but I have some interesting insight which is that a lot of the team basically thought that you know if they had listened to Brad Steven they would have won more games right Al Horford also said that too I think he reiterated that the other day and so I think the prevailing feeling is that like listen you've got a superstar pretty much in your head coach who can do a lot with a little so just give these guys a chance and see where we go so I'm okay with that to be honest it was hard to why they were real tough to watch last year Kyrie's awesome you're talking to a bunch of nicks fans yeah you had optimism and no expectations we had very high expectations pick is in that was talking so thank you Kevin that's it and I'll be signing off Jarrett is it Jarrett Culver it is so I'm looking through wojas tweets here and so five minutes ago he said Minnesota is on the clock for number six and still on the phones disgusting trade propositions and I guess that's smart but it does seem kind of like some last minute scrambling it's like shouldn't you have done this it traded up to immediately try to trade back sorry that would be that would be such a nightmare for the NBA if teams were just trying to make like just trying to gain like two like trying to get one second around picking value like if we move up to six from 13 and then trade back down to 14 can we pick up a second but I guess they landed on Jarrett Culver so Chicago is next this is if you spoil the draft just a heads up I would murder you should we talk about Culver before moving on to Chicago I mean does anyone have who's got who thinks they're the highest on Jarrett Culver so I watched very limited college basketball and I saw Jarrett overplay and I liked him I like them a lot so in the final four he looks like he could be good but he missed every single shot exactly that's exactly what I'm saying he shrunk yeah but missing shots doesn't worry me that much that's why I'm a Frank fan I like to consider myself the missed shot expert on the program and Culver I don't know I've got a couple red flags obviously in his biggest games he kind of mushed I also think Texas Tex coach is like the next dude in college basketball which I don't know if you put that in a good column or a bad column if Jarrett Culver leaned into that coaching we just talked about the trouble the Celtics had last year I think you could say that as a good thing we've got Chauncey's player comp Jimmy Butler I mean is that Jimmy Butler without any of the stuff because that'd be a great place I'm pretty sure it's because it's with the stuff oh really BBD I don't know I haven't done my joke well David the floor is yours because we haven't heard enough from you it seems like a joke you have to have night treatment I'm having a good time I'm having a good time the next ended up exactly how I expected it to end up I don't really care about 55 so yeah okay this night's win yeah I think for talking Nick's purposes maybe we run through the Bulls pick and then we start licking our wounds a little bit and Jarrett Culver's last three games were pretty rough field goal percentage wise they weren't the biggest three games of his career though right against Gonzaga he was 5 for 19 that's 26 percent for 19 points though he got to the free through line against Michigan State he was 3 for 12 for 10 points and then against Virginia he was 5 for 22 and you know what I respect getting up 22 shots even when you're not hitting that's right what Darius Garland did in college since we're throwing out college fans and how important they are well actually I missed it on the way through before but they showed Darius Garland highlights and one of them was literally in our high school jam I think that was at New Milford yeah which I mean Poppy Gordo New Milford I feel like David is just looking for keywords and then saying just saying the word and putting three more with him damn he's learned pretty well for me he's leading the fun that's my whole life I feel like it's the new sexy thing to rip on the bulls the bulls for Jim Boylan for just all of their general transactions does anyone like anything going on in Chicago I mean Cory's a good talent right he's had a great year hopefully he doesn't fade wow Courtney Lee Ripped sorry you can keep going sorry I'm looking at Courtney Lee's Instagram how do Porter Jr's on the bulls I mean you got Zach Levine you've got the goat Robin Lopez former Celtics great Walt Lemon Jr I mean you got some ass people on that team homerun Walt Lemon Jr who hit the homer Greg 3 run shot 4-0 he said Gary I felt like I was too short to get two men on days Tom anything on Chicago Wendell Carter Jr was pretty good before he got hurt did they need a point guard is it Kobe White it's going to be Kobe White Zach Levine Zach Levine's not a traditional point guard or like a winning basketball player from what I can see Devin Booker Bucket Gitter type yeah he's a Devin Booker Bucket Gitter that's hard to say Kevin Kevin try and say that Devin Booker Bucket Gitter you made it look easy you put a little too much Boston on that one oh my god Kobe White watch him all day that wasn't even he's not the answer I don't think I mean he had some great games against the Knicks but other than that I don't think he was all that good greatest player in the history of NBA Devin Nuwaba has had some games against the Knicks I feel like history won't look back kindly on Kobe White's hair I don't know if that's a hot take that being said Elford Payton style if I could rock it I would rock it it actually affected his shot this late in the night don't get me going about Elford Payton I don't know boys I think this is getting into a slippery slope where if we don't cut it off it will be the Joe Rogan podcast and we'll be breaking down international players we have no idea about let's do a quick around the horn maybe a Knicks thought and another thought on NBA Draft Night so of course we start with our Boston guy Kevin McGovern you got it listen I'm happy for you guys it's the right pick it was the only pick to make and honestly I'm excited to seeing a guy who really wanted to be a Knick and a player of his caliber it's exciting so I'm pumped for you guys I'm fucking frustrated with what Danny Angel is doing we're not trading up now I have no idea what we're gonna do because sitting where we're at now just a terrible idea we can't make all three of those picks so we'll see how it goes boring thank you Kevin you got it no that was your kind words we're welcome we thank you it was good seeing your face and hearing you once we could hear you it was great yeah took some time big baby David you have seemingly fallen into another word of baseball and like quick shot statements how are you in the draft uh Knicks they didn't do anything stupid they did the thing they were supposed to do that's good and it was unexpected from the Knicks for the last like year I always expected the bad or weird thing to happen and as far as not Knicks thoughts Zion brought the drip tonight thank you that is tough to follow Greggy you are next in my camera view can you follow that even no really I'm glad the Knicks picked RJ I hope they pick up another pick somewhere you know get a Mitchell Robinson type early in the second round we're late in the first whatever um it's all like truly all I got I mean all these teams that are picking are bad the Pelicans though we'll be talking a lot of Pelicans this year I'm sure talking Pels Kenny Knupp you've got us on mute if you're not I can go to Tom but if you want to let it rip I'll let it rip I think I agree with everyone RJ Barrett was the only option and we took it I think I disagree with Big Baby David as far as what the Knicks have done still early so they still have a lot of time to do something stupid let's not that's true draft generally it's like Zion more like Cryon you know what I mean I thought you were going to say you disagreed with Big Baby David and Zion didn't bring the trip and that was going to be furious Tommy the anchor of our relay the 4x400 and on Talking Knicks what's up bud so one thing I don't know that we discussed was what the Knicks starting lineup is going to look like next year with this edition of RJ Barrett they keep listing him as a shooting guard I always think of him more of a wing in general I mean is the backcourt going to look like Dennis Smith Jr. Alonzo Trier RJ Barrett Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robbins and then the full line will be with Mitchell Robbins is that what we're looking at for a starting lineup that one's even worse when you say it out loud I don't think they're they have a lot of cap today that they're going to do something with whether it's a one year deal or a long term deal and someone is getting that money Roberson starting at the two spot I would never have a Trier but I think Dotson would start I mean he would be the starter and Trier would be kind of like the the guy the scorer off the bench but yeah so Dennis Smith Jr and Dotson, RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox Mitchell Robinson I mean that's a terrible team but it's it's kind of exciting it'd be a team I'd enjoy watching for a few games but for wanting to come out I think yeah I think I was going to say something that would have just been too high of expectations Kenny you mentioned the cap space the Knicks are still going to bring in some bodies I'd like some bodies that can help these guys play real human basketball instead of Nick's instead of Nick's son's basketball maybe late Charlotte moving up but like I don't know every time we say we talk about cap space just sort of like it's out there I need more concrete stuff who specifically are even options the thing is it doesn't matter one of them will be a starter over some of those guys at the league we only have I think it does matter we only have six guys under contract so you know we can get another six guys and we could pay another six guys over ten million dollars each to come or we can pay three guys twenty million dollars and one guy ten million dollars we're going to get better players that have lots of career to start but there's a fine line because some of these players who are good enough to earn even like earning that kind of money are going to want and demand multiple years and the Knicks don't seem to be in a place where they're going to be offering a lot of multiple year contracts so it's a really tricky dance where you want these players like Jake said teach them how to play normal human basketball but they're not so good that they won't be demanding multi year contracts we've seen it in the past I know you guys will say like JJ Redick it's not that common there's a bunch more people like that who've done that who've gone that route so that's why I'm always curious about like who specifically would be willing to take these short contracts or is it a situation where the Knicks are taking really bad contracts off of the hands of other teams in exchange for draft assets we can do that we can get KCP we can get one year one year away from the next level of max Jackson Hayes to New Orleans Tom he's got the Sideshow Bob Hare with the Sideshow Bob Necklace that's what I'm talking about Tom I think you're all over it and I think what you're all over is our next episode of Talking Knicks because now we have to start actually talking bodies now that RJ Barrett is in the building we'll see if there's any second round picks that make us change our thoughts at all max out Harrison Barnes just putting it out there for one year you're talking about for one year no no we're going to find a way to get to work for five for maxing out Harrison Barnes lifetime I'll pay him like max money spread across five years so like 20 something million dollars across the five years give him partial ownership I think we save it boys I think I think the dream would be one over pay and one guy going forward knowing the Knicks we'll be watching Noah Von Lea fellas now we're probably going to get Kawai and Kyrie if I was honest with you guys there you go I just want to say it was great seeing how many guys are in here there's like 25 guys reminds me of college dorm room boys it was good seeing so many smiling faces that's something you want to get off your chest let it rip you're talking about Kyle though how is Kyle oh boy Kenny's mic's going out a little bit Jackson Hayes shot 73% from the field it's better than me Jared Colbert my dog starting to get mad at us for everyone that's been watching live we thank you if you're listening on the Talking Next we also thank you too and as we were just alluding to now that RJB is in the building we got to start talking about who we think would pair who we think we can pair and who we'll actually end up with I think that's next podcast for Kevin, David, Greg, Ken, Tom, RJ Barrett, Cryon, Zion, Noodle and 5'9 1.5 140 pound Jamerat we thank you and let's go next


What is up everybody welcome back to the channel shout out to my boy Raymond Raymond McBin shout out to you, bro. Thank you so much for the email great great questions. I Don't really get this a lot, but this is probably the most googled Probably the most YouTube searched keyword And that's why I use it in all of my damn videos as far as the keywords and the tags Cartra verse click funnels click funnels verse cartra I use that tag if any of you guys are using to buddy you could totally see all my tags right there I use that tag all the time because that is a popular question You know what what's the difference between all these damn platforms when it comes to landing pages and email automation? King Kong the originator pretty much the first to the market was click funnels That's why so many people know of click funnels many many marketers many online digital marketers many Entrepreneurs people who are selling stuff online whether you're selling a physical product whether you're selling a service Whether you're looking to capture a lead whether you're looking to get people to schedule appointments many of us small business owners consist of those types of Objectives right I'm looking to capture lead. I'm looking to schedule an appointment. I'm looking to get someone on the phone I'm looking to make a sale right and so click funnels completely changed the game five six years ago Where prior to that? Websites were important right if you wanted to build a business online. You knew the importance of being Present with a website right and then and then and then that was a that was that was that was pretty much a fad our Websites available still to this day of course. There's hundreds of millions of websites But again, if you're focused on lead capture if you're focused on cells if you're focused on generating appointments Click funnels change the game by taking people and and introducing a funnel To the marketplace to really achieve those goals even faster like in light speed, right? And as click funnels kind of paved the way other companies started coming out and other companies started duplicating You know click funnels to a certain extent and in Cartra was one of them, but Cartra is not just a duplicate It's just not another competitor I truly believe Cartra isn't a completely different different space and so that's why my boy Raymond shout out to Raymond Thank you so much for for the question.  I'm telling you I'm not This is just logical obvious type of you know stuff that I'm gonna share with you And you determine yourself, but the crazy part is that there's a freaking trial So it's like dude compare it set up a 14-day trial with click funnels set up a 14-day trial With Cartra and freaking compare them, bro That's all you got to do really but I'll give you a crash course And I'll just kind of put my two cents to it and and kind of you know share with you In my opinion what the biggest difference is and and why I use Cartra versus click funnels first of all click funnels again, Russell Brunson paving the way Starting that five six years ago and just completely dominating right to this day Russell Brunson is freaking one of my number one mentors But as far as the platform All it is is a landing page right? It's your sales funnels It's your landing page unless you go up to the next level, which is the 297 So if you're if you're just focused on landing pages, it's 97 a month just landing pages, right? So that's that's just you know been the biggest thing that every online marketer, you know Is grateful for is the fact that Russell click funnels brought us landing pages, but again, it's not cheap That's the price 97 unless you jump up to 297 and with 297 you get a few more added features Which is like unlimited everything right? Unlimited funnels unlimited pages nine domains if you have nine different businesses, right? Payment gateways meaning meaning you can charge stripe you can integrate stripe You could take credit cards when you're selling digital products or when you're selling your services You can process all that through a through a click funnels page, right? Live chat email support funnel hacker hacker forum funnel flicks follow-up funnels, which is there? I guess it's their email auto responder but But but but that's at 297 So so what you really need to build your business all this other stuff is awesome as well the funnel flicks The virtual hackathons all that stuff is is is is good support, right? And that's why Russell freaking completely dominated because his support his culture his community his vibe his value his His approach to the industry his whole Value proposition to the marketplace has been accepted globally because of such a humble Amazing person the guy is like his brand his his his his character alone built click funnels, right? So I truly believe most people are here not just because of a landing page software I'm willing to bet nine out of people nine out of ten people that are actually on click funnels are there because of the culture Are there because of the support and the training and the freaking genius of a mind that Russell Brunson brings to the game? I truly believe that man because it's not just for the freaking software like it can't be First of all at 297 So we're gonna just talk pricing real quick right now like the biggest difference on the pricing real quick For you to have let's say for example all this other all these other features unlimited unlimited three users nine domains I mean, that's cool. That's whatever the payment gateway. That's whatever the email support. That's whatever the funnel hacker forum Okay, that's more support funnel flicks. That's more training and support the virtual hack on more support and training but what I actually need to build my freaking business is the follow-up the follow-up funnels, which is my email automation and Obviously the gateway so I can charge a client, right? Nine domains don't even care three users unlimited pages. That's that's pretty much it. It's the pages Which are funnels, right? So it's not a second benefit a second feature. It's actually the same funnels pages funnels are done for you He has a handful of done for you and then pages are what make the funnel So that's kind of the same thing. So I need funnels. I need pages. I need pages and I need my email Automation so those two things right there, right? Those are the two things that I need to pay 297 a month for if I only want the pages right over here 20 funnels hundred pages one user three domains Payment email if I own which which really to tell you the truth at the end of the day All that means is it's just the freaking pages so I can build the funnel I can create as many not as many I can create a hundred pages So I can create landing pages, which is what I need, but that's at 97. So just for the landing pages alone Raymond 97 with Cartra at the same 99 for example, let's just look at the starter pack So 2500 leads which if you're starting you're not going to have that many at all dude custom domain start with freakin One you don't need nine Emails bandwidth host a hundred pages. You can host your videos. You can sell products. You can create a membership Add one additional team member connect a help desk the agency is not included So with that being said dude at $99 a month, so let me just kind of translate this entire freaking section into what I really use it for at that price point I'm on that plan So if you guys are over there on click one of that 97 a month just for the landing pages I'm over here on Cartra for 99 a month and here's what else comes with it on top of the landing pages So my products that's the same so I can charge clients. I can integrate stripe I can I can process payments online digital products services if I'm selling services coaching programs consulting Membership courses I can I can create all that in my products under Cartra. Okay, just like click funnels But my communications, that's the email autoresponder. That's my email automation without email automation dude This is email automation on steroids like this is tags sequences Segmenting a segmenting of lists like there's a lot as far as the automation that comes with my communications That is my email autoresponder that doesn't come with the $97 plan on click funnels, okay? That right there is a game changer That's one huge reason why I'm on Cartra is because I don't have to go get a third-party email autoresponder with click funnels Okay, cool You're on the $97 plant plan a month you have just the landing pages now You got to go get an email autoresponder for that a lot of you bozos are on the free one Which is MailChimp, but again once you cross 2,500 I think it's 2,500 or maybe even 2,100 Emails you have to pay so now I'm paying $97 a month for landing pages now I'm paying 50 bucks a month for my email autoresponder and that's just two things right there that come with Cartra So I'm I'm grateful for that man my communications my email autoresponder my pages all of my landing pages and funnels My memberships, which is the third thing my memberships. I'd have to go pay a third software Many many many people that use click funnels are course creators meaning they sell digital courses Whether it's an e-book whether it's their online course Digital right they use click funnels to create to create the landing page to capture the lead to then maybe drive them to a webinar Maybe just capture the lead Whatever they'll use landing pages for that right For a click they'll use click funnels for the landing page, right? But then again as I'm mentioning they're using a second software for their email autoresponder now as we come over here to my memberships People that are actually creating courses now because I'm on click funnels for the landing page I'm on MailChimp for the email autoresponder now I got to go get a third software which majority of these people that use click funnels that actually sell courses majority of them use Kujavi so that's a third software dude. That's a hundred bucks a month just to host my membership course So any of you guys that are creating digital courses membership courses selling your knowledge online You'd have to go get a third software. I do all that in Cartra So I can sell my digital products or services. I can have my my communications for my email autoresponder I can have my pages for my landing pages in my and my Cells funnels I can have my memberships. So I don't so I don't have to go get another another software Like Kujavi and pay another hundred bucks a month for that. I can do all that in here for that same $99 a month. That's what I do. I can host all my videos here And then this one this is the kicker. This is the kicker my calendar. So I Would say nine and a half out of ten if you can even half a person right nine at nine and a half Out of ten people that are using click funnels $97 a month for click funnels another fifty bucks a month to a hundred bucks a month for an email autoresponder Another hundred bucks a month for the might for my memberships, right for my memberships if you're creating digital courses Another freakin 30 to 40 to 50 bucks a month for a calendar So if you guys are using click funnels, you're already using four different softwares now I'm talking to those that are actually trying to do something right those of you that are actually trying to build a business You know what I'm talking about. You're on these four different softwares. You're paying for these four different softwares every month I do everything through Karcha. So those right there that I touched on that's a huge huge reason why I'm on Karcha It's one software for all and then on top of all that I also am an affiliate marketer I truly believe that whatever whatever you're doing you should find multiple multiple ways to monetize it multiple Try to you should try to find multiple yet Income streams and multiple ways you can monetize it whatever you're doing man Whatever you're doing one huge huge huge game changer for me has been affiliate marketing and and really just kind of Wrapping that into my daily business whatever I'm doing it has to make sense right it has to line up with whatever I'm doing I've been building an agency around one niche real estate agents right since 2016, okay? Social media marketing Facebook advertising landing pages and email automation. I've been building the YouTube channel since 2017 Talking about all of it right talking about my agency documenting how I'm building it and and most importantly talking about the one software That I do it all with and that's been Karcha and the whole reason why I've been talking about it is because I get paid on it Right so those of you that are building an affiliate marketing business And you guys are chasing commission after commission after commission you're on Amazon associates you're on JV zoo You're on click bank. You're on share a sell you're on these different websites to get an affiliate link So you can share it and try to make money. I'm telling you man. I truly believe that Whatever you're doing make sure it makes sense with your with your with your brand make sure it makes sense for your business and Try to find products out there that you can start recommending start start finding different affiliate offers that you can start Recommending in this case. I chose Karcha and I chose to actually build my channel around that Because my two goals was to obviously build a YouTube income build a YouTube channel So I'm grateful for every single one of you guys are here and then on the back end Because I'm doing tutorials people are gonna be watching my videos and clicking on my link to sign up for Karcha You got to find products you guys that you can get passionate about you have to find products in the affiliate marketing world That that that that stand by your brand, but also Also have the ability to pay you passively. That's one huge reason why I jumped on Karcha man It is because of the passive income Capability as I get people on Karcha and as they succeed with Karcha and as they use Karcha every single month Because I'm an affiliate with Karcha and I recommend Karcha now Karcha I have my monthly income at a little over a thousand a month monthly passive income This is income look dude. We're making 25 20 or what is it? No, it's 40% so 40 bucks of a hundred bucks So again, I'm on the 99 dollar plan. Okay, most people start at the 99 dollar plan. So Raymond You're either gonna do a 14-day trial just for the landing pages, right? And again, I truly believe most people are here because of the culture because of the character because of what Russell Brunson Has brought to the game the guys a freaking marketing genius He can still be my mentor which he is I just don't use the software, right? Because at the price point, I just feel I get way more out of Karcha I'd have to pay individually every month for all these other random services, man And and any let yeah, so it's like dude if you're trying to build anything on the internet those main Features or those main products I went over or what you're gonna need now You may not be building a digital course like I am but you're still gonna need to process my products You're still gonna you're still gonna be selling something you're selling your service You're selling a digital product. You're selling an e-book. You're selling a web a webinar, whatever a coaching program, whatever You're gonna need that you're gonna need an email auto responder. You're gonna need landing pages.   Start building a YouTube channel man. All I did with this YouTube channel is document this software that I use Okay, so again, that's why I you know I knew it was gonna sound biased, but I'm not trying to be biased I'm just breaking it down like I'm looking at the prices and in what it consists of the only reason why most are with click funnels Is because of Russell. I truly believe that it's not the pricing at all Because again for me to have the email auto responder and the landing pages. That's already 297 a month I still have to go get a membership hosting Platform and a calendar platform if I wanted to be at the 300 a month, right? That's crazy That's why I was like dude. That's expensive when a person can come over here to Cartra and freaking $99 a month have all these benefits and Be able to promote it and become an affiliate marketer. That's where my monthly income is at currently you guys So this was paid out on July 15th And and that's not even a lot of a lot of people. It's not a lot of money and it's not a lot of people We're making 40% let's just call it Let's just call it 40 bucks. Okay, so if we take a thousand 71 divided by 40 bucks. It's about 26 people man I have about 26 people that are using Cartra every month.  That right there you guys I'm telling you whatever you're doing you should be promoting an affiliate offer within that same niche as well Find different ways you can make a side income online But I'm telling you the reason why I'm showing you this is because I truly believe this is more powerful than most affiliate offers That you could possibly promote because in this case you need Cartra Most businesses need Cartra if you can help them succeed with Cartra and you make an affiliate commission But a passive income, that's powerful. That's powerful I'll take a passive residual income over any other income any time That's a passive income that comes in regardless man regardless Regardless and and and that's all from people that are using Cartra that are winning with it That's why I always tell people I'm like dude click the link below profit with Cartra dot online set up a 14-day trial Reach out to me and I will give you my time for free We'll jump on a screen a screen share like this We'll jump on a strategy call and I'll freaking help you crush it and help you get off to a fast start Because it's in my financial interest, right? That's my passive income I want that to be 11. I want that to be at 11 grand a month, right? So I want to help as many people as I can use this this software because again I'll say this in closing whether it's click funnels or whether it's Cartra You need some type of online software I just truly believe with Cartra It comes with all these other features that I would have that I would have to pay for Individually if I went with click funnels and even at the 297 plan It still doesn't give me everything. I personally need the two things that this is not giving me at the 297 It's giving me the landing pages and the email automation But it's not giving me my membership because I have a membership course and it's not giving me my calendar Those are the two things that I really really need because I'm an agency. I you know close clients I reach out to clients. I service clients I need these clients to be able to click a button and schedule an appointment with me on demand I need to be able to automate the entire thing, right? So I need an online calendar and again a lot of you guys are freaking using Calendly because it's free To to to get even more features with it You got to pay so there goes another software that I got to pay for monthly if I was on the click funnels Even if I was on the highest plan So in comparison with prices and features hands-down Raymond Karcher wins man, and that's why I came over, you know, two years ago exactly two years ago. In fact, July of 2018 I'm recording this video in July of 2020 So I've been crushing it with Karcher man, you know, and then it wasn't until about a year ago I started really promoting it promoting it heavily on my on my YouTube channel and now a lot of my videos on my YouTube channel Consistive tutorials using Karcher and that's how I built that income So I was able to build an affiliate income on the side just by simply doing YouTube videos and now I even have a YouTube income that's coming in as well That's my Google AdSense that pays out every month as well So that's a form of residual income as well my my YouTube income But over here man, just doing simple tutorials on how to use Karcher man That's what I started doing about a year ago over here And then just managed to get a few people on onto the service and and that's my passive income today Man passive income man. I'm not chasing cells, right? I Promote it people click on it. They're on it every month And I just continue to get that check and it's increasing every single month And it'll continue to increase because I'm just not going to stop, you know bringing the fire. So Raymond shout out to Raymond man. I appreciate Raymond Do you really feel Karcher can do everything as well as click when it was no man? I believe Karcher can do 10 times more. I just hopefully hopefully I just explained that the email automation If there's no comparison again on the on the $97 plan You're not getting email automation with over here with Karcher. You're getting email automation With with at that $99 plan. So yeah, there's no comparison Would your honest opinion be be that Karcher has has more to offer at the equivalent price as hell? Yeah, bro. Heck yeah, heck yeah And then also what do you think about having an agency and white labeling all the work heck? Yeah, man. I'm going through a shout out to Billy Jean I'm going through his 30 day challenge.  It's called. Um, 30 day. I think it was 30 day challenge Yeah, 30 days of genius 30 days of genius. So I'm going through his 30 day, you know freaking I'm going through a program course right now with him and and he talks about that He talks about building your agency and Outsourcing everything and outsourcing everything right so so yeah that that could be for sure for sure what you do, man You you you reach out to somebody on Upwork Upwork You reach out to somebody on Fiverr and you freaking hire these individuals to do these certain tasks within your agency And you outsource the whole damn thing you could for sure for sure do that bro So shout out to Raymond man. If any of you guys are new to the channel I've been building an agency since 2016 Fired up about affiliate marketing fired up about online marketing online entrepreneurship fired up about Facebook ads and landing pages and how in the hell we capture lead on the internet That's what I'm dropping every day on this channel you guys so if you're new Subscribe smash the bell for notifications if you find value in the video man click like and drop me a comment below Let me know where you guys are coming from and let me know how I can bring value to what you got going on online Click the link below set up a fortune day trial profit with Carter dot online and then reach out to me man Simply comment say hey David. I got my fortune day trial. Let's set up a strategy call I'll send you my link and we'll get it started you guys so keep it simple man have fun When in doubt Raymond compare set up a fortune day trial for both and you can see for yourself What the biggest differences are are you guys see on the next one?


Hi, my name's Liz Rice, you may know me through my role with the CNCF where I am the chair of the Technical Oversight Committee and I am also the Chief Open Source Officer for ISOvalent which is a company very involved in EBPF technology and we're also the original creators of the Cillium project. I've done some talks before introducing what EBPF is and how to write your first EBPF programs and today I want to take that down the path of networking and introduce you to some of the ways that you can use EBPF in networking functionality. Now you probably know that EBPF allows us to run custom code in the kernel. We can write programs that we load into the kernel and we have them triggered in response to events. There's a huge range of different events that we can use to cause an EBPF program to run. You'll probably have seen examples involving system calls. For example, the K probe which is the function entry point to a function that runs when a particular system call is called by a user space application. But system calls are really just the beginning. There are many, many other places in a Linux machine where we can attach EBPF programs. The typical hello world program that I would normally write for an illustration would attach to a system call like execve and whenever a user space application calls that system call, execve is used to run a new executable. Every time user space, for example, you type a new program name into your shell, you hit return that causes execve to run that program. We might write a hello world example that attaches to the entry point, the K probe of that execve function. That would generate some tracing every time someone ran a new program. That tracing would include some contextual information about the process that was running that triggered that call, that particular function call, that system call in this case. But K probes are really just one of many different types of EBPF program. There are a long list of different EBPF program types that we can attach to different types of events. So, EBPF is not just about tracing system calls. Tracing calls are the interface between user space and the kernel. There's a huge wealth of other places where we can attach EBPF programs. Another illustration of that is this diagram from BCC. This is a whole set of EBPF based observability tools. I think Brendan Gregg was probably responsible for this diagram. The point of showing this is to illustrate a huge range of different parts of the system that can be instrumented using EBPF. Today, we're mostly going to concentrate on that green box in the middle that is really about networking-related activity. Another way we can look at the range of different events that we can hook into is with perf list. If I bring up my screen, we can ignore the code at the top for now and I'll just run perf list and you'll see a huge number of different types of events that we can instrument with perf and there's just lots and lots of them. So I hope that gives you a sense that there are a lot of places, a huge surface to which we can attach EBPF programs. There's a huge set of network-related events where we can attach EBPF programs. I won't have time to cover all of them but let's try and introduce ourselves to a selection of networking events and how we might use them to build network-related functionality using EBPF. So the first place to start would be with K-Probes. There are lots and lots of functions that relate to networking. Every time we call into the entry or exit from any function in the kernel, we can trigger an EBPF program. We can attach it using a K-Probe or a K-Rep-Probe for the exit and as an example, we can use the kernel function that gets called when a TCP connection is set up. So this is going to be the sort of hello world example for networking. I'm going to be using the BCC framework, which is a good place to start if you're familiar with Python. It makes it very easy to write your user space code. It will run the compilation step for you to compile your BPF programs that are going to run in the kernel. It makes it easy to attach those two events as you'll see. So my user space code starts by reading and compiling the EBPF functions that I've written into this C file, network.c, we'll look at that in a moment. And it's going to attach a function that's called TCP Connect to the event that's associated with the entry to TCPv4 Connect. And I've got a little bit of debugging that's going to tell us when my EBPF programs are loaded and we're ready to go, and then my user space code is going to print out whatever tracing has been generated by my EBPF code. And let's take a look. The function here is very simple. My TCP Connect program simply traces out a message. So let's just take a quick look at the interface in my container, which has a loopback interface and F0. And the F0 address is <IP_ADDRESS>. So let's run this code, which is very straightforward if I can type. There we go. And that tells us it's ready. So first thing to notice is there could be other TCP connections being generated on this machine and my EBPF program is going to see all of them. If I run a CURL request to that IP address we saw a moment ago, I'm not expecting this to succeed because I don't think there's anything listening for HTTP requests inside that container. But we can use it to show that it triggers my tracing. It triggers my EBPF program to run. So that's K-Probes. Now let's move on to some more networking specific program types. And the first one we'll look at is socket filter. So I'm going to attach to a raw socket using this socket filter program type. And a raw socket sees traffic coming in and out very close to the network connection. So it's kind of closer to the network interface than the rest of the networking stack. Socket filtering was designed for observability. And it's worth noticing this. We can look at packets and we can make decisions about whether we want to pass a copy up to user space for observability purpose. So the idea is that if you were running some kind of tracing utility in user space, you'd probably want to trace a subset of packets. Maybe you would want to trace TCP packets but not other sorts of networking activity. So let's try an example of this where we're going to attach to a raw socket with a socket filter program type. And we're going to filter the copy of packets that gets sent to user space. So here's my C code. So this is the EBPF program receives a socket buffer. And it's going to step through that buffer looking first of all at the Ethernet header to see whether it's an IP packet. If it's not an IP packet, it's just going to return zero. Then it looks at the IP header to see what type of request or what type of packet this is. And here I'm going to trace out whether it's ICMP, ICMP commonly known as PING, or TCP traffic. And if it's TCP traffic, I'm going to return minus one and that tells the kernel. I want to send a copy of this packet to user space. I'm going to need to write some code in my user space side to listen for this traffic. So first of all, let's stop listening to TCP connect events. And instead, we're going to load a function, load that socket filter EBPF program, attach it to a raw socket. And then we're also going to create a socket that can, where we can receive these copies of the network packets. And then instead of printing out the tracing here, I'm going to read those, read those packets and comment that and indent it. Okay, so as you might recall, we're going to pass TCP traffic up to user space, but not PING. So let's try loading this. So that means if I try and curl to that address, we see data being sent up to user space. But if I ping the same address, let's just make it slightly wider so it all fits on one line. We can see that the PING is happening successfully, but we didn't see a copy of that in the tracing output. Okay, so that's an example of socket filtering. We can only really use this for observability purposes. We can't use it. This is filtering what gets sent to user space. So we couldn't write kernel-based networking functionality using this. Now let's look at XDP, which stands for Express Data Path. Now, Daniel Borkman, who is a kernel maintainer who works at ISO Valent, told me a great story about how the idea for XDP came about. And it was essentially saying, wouldn't it be great if we could run EBPF programs rather than running them on the CPU? What if we could run them on the hardware itself for networking? So when an in-band packet arrives on the network interface card, if we could inspect that packet and maybe decide that we're going to drop it or send it back out the same interface, if we could do that on the network interface card, it would never have to spend any resources on the CPU itself. So if you have a network interface card or a network driver that supports XDP, you can load BPF programs into that hardware itself, hardware offload. And when a packet arrives on that network interface, it can trigger the EBPF program that can make decisions about what to do with that packet, whether or not to pass it up to the networking stack or not. Not all network cards and network drivers support XDP. So there is support within the kernel for loading EBPF programs as soon as network packets arrive within the kernel. So that, you know, we can achieve the same kind of functionality. There is some performance gain because it hasn't had to traverse the networking stack, but it's not quite what was intended by doing that hardware offload. Importantly, if we're using containers, we can still run XDP because with the kernel implementation of XDP, it can be attached to virtual network connections as well as physical network connections. But this is only about inbound packets. If we think about it in the context of a network card, it really makes sense to process inbound packets as quickly as possible before we pass them to the CPU. But if the CPU has already handled a packet and it's on its way out, then the CPU has already done whatever's necessary. So let's take a look at an example of an XDP program. So now I use a space code. This is pretty straightforward. We can load a function that I've called XDP and we attach it to XDP on the interface, F0, which is the same as what we used for the socket filter before it's defined up here. Also, I want to go back to printing out tracing and we're not dumping the data anymore. Let's take a look at that XDP function. So for readability, hidden some of the code inside this is ICMPP request function, but it's very similar to what we just looked at in the socket filter in case. We're taking the packet, we're looking at the ethernet header and then at the IP header to see whether or not this is an ICMPP ping request. And if it is, we're going to trace that out. Okay, so let's build that and load the functions into the kernel. And then we can run ping again. And in fact, I'm going to run this with just one ping request because it'll be easier to read. Oh, there we go. So we see the ping request coming in through XDP. So think of that as the packet arriving at the network interface and then it gets to the raw socket where we can see first of all, the request which is destined for an address sending in zero two and then we're actually seeing the response going back through the socket filter because the socket filter sees traffic in both directions. All right, another program type that we can attach to is related to traffic control. And this is a facility within the kernel where we can classify or run actions on network packets. So we can attach these filters to what's called queuing disciplines. We can do this in both ingress and egress. My example is going to use ingress. So a packet's going to arrive. The idea of this traffic control is you might use it to prioritize certain types of traffic, do traffic shaping. You could also use it for filtering certain types of traffic. There are lots of different types of filters that you can add. EBPF programs is one type of filter that you can attach to these queuing disciplines. So my example is going to attach, we're going to use the VCC add filter command to attach a EBPF program to an ingress on a queuing discipline. Okay, so my program, again, doing something very similar, we're going to trace out the fact that we got a packet and then we're going to look through the packet using the same function as before to check whether it's a ping request. And in this case, I'm going to drop it. This TC act shot says this packet is shot. Just don't, we don't want to pass it on up the stack. So TC is going to, when that ping request reaches this TC ingress part of the stack, ping requests are going to get dropped. So I need to load this. It's a little bit more involved here because we need to create the queuing discipline and add the filter. And before I forget, I need to make sure it gets unloaded at the end. Okay, so I'm going to start with TC as the function that we just looked at. And this code here adds the queuing discipline if it doesn't already exist and then attaches that EBPF program as a filter. So let's give this a while, let's run a ping. So we can see the ping arrived at XDP. It arrived at the socket filter. It arrived in TC ingress and then we will have dropped it here. So we don't see the response going back through the socket filter. This looks like some other packet that's arrived on that same interface. My guess is that that's probably some kind of ARP traffic going on. We could add some code to check whether that's true. Let's run another ping just to demonstrate. Yeah, we're not seeing those pings being responded to. 100% packet loss with successfully dropping traffic using TC. But we don't just have to drop packets. We can also modify them and we can even make decisions about sending them through different interfaces. So in the next example, what I'm going to do is respond to that ping request. So rather than dropping it, I'm going to convert the request into a response. That means that the ping request, instead of having to go all the way up the networking stack to use a space to get a response that then comes back through the networking stack, I'm going to create that response within the TC ingress filter. Okay, so I have a function to do this called TC ping pong, which we're going to load instead of the function we just saw that dropped packet. And ping pong is here. If it's not a ping request, we will return okay, which says just do whatever you were planning to do with this packet. If it is a ping request, we're going to swap the source and destination addresses, both for the MAC addresses and the IP addresses, because we want the packet to go back to whoever sent it to us. We need to modify the type of the message. So this is saying this is a response rather than a request, hidden within this function, it's also updating the ICMP check sum in the header. And then we have to do something maybe a little bit special here. What we're going to do is say, throw away the original packet. We don't want you to forward the original request on up the networking stack. So we're going to be responding with this TC act shot, which is what we use to drop a packet. But before we do that, we clone a copy of the packet, the socket buffer, and we tell the kernel that we want to send that socket buffer through actually the same index that it arrived on. So let's give this a try. And that's loaded. So we're hoping to see successful ping responses this time. And we did, that was pretty quick. We saw the packets responded 0% packet loss. And what we could see there packet, the request comes in XDP. It goes through socket filter gets to TC. TC looks at the message, but gives us a little bit more information about that message. And then we can see the response, which is destined for address ending in one being sent back out through the socket filter. Now you might say that's not super convincing. How do we know that the packet didn't go up through the full network stack? One way we can check is to use that perf utility to trace out networking related events that happen as those ping messages traverse a networking stack. So instead of just sending ping directly, I'm going to send it with perf trace. Trace. And I'm interested in all the network events. And I'm going to send it to an output file called, let's say with TC. And then I want to run ping. We'll send it once. And we're sending to the same address as before. So that's given us exactly the same tracing that we saw before. But if we look at that file with TC, we can see a number of different networking events that were generated as those packets were, well as the ping packet was received and then the response was generated and sent out. I ran that earlier without TC and this is the result. And we should see that the result without TC is a little bit longer than with. Yeah, and we should see, starts with the same calls. And we're missing out on some network interface RX calls here. So that's telling us that something further up the stack that was receiving packets, we don't need to call that because the packet never gets that far. So hopefully that has given you an illustration of how we can use EBPF networking functionality to bypass parts of the networking stack and achieve performance gains. And this is one of the reasons why EBPF is so powerful for cloud-native networking. In Kubernetes, we run our application code in pods. Those pods have their own, typically have their own networking namespace separate from the host's networking namespace. And in each of them, there's a separate TCP IP stack. So imagine a packet destined for our application running in a pod. It arrives at the physical interface to the host. It traverses the whole IP stack on the host, then gets passed out through the virtual ethernet connection to the pod where it goes through the pods networking stack. With EBPF, we can bypass a lot of the host networking stack because we can see the address that that packet is destined for. We know that that is one of the pods because we're a Kubernetes CNI and we've been responsible for setting up those endpoints. So we know the packet is destined for the pod and we can send it straight to the appropriate virtual ethernet interface. That makes networking significantly faster and there's a really great blog post about CNI benchmarking on the Cillian website that you might want to check out for more details. Another huge advantage of EBPF is that it's instrumenting the kernel and we don't have to instrument individual applications. We don't have to change applications or make any configuration changes. Contrast this with a sidecar model where we typically use a sidecar model for a lot of observability and security and networking purposes. Now, a sidecar needs to be injected as a container into each pod that needs instrumenting. And to get that sidecar container into the pod there has to be a YAML definition for it. You typically inject that YAML automatically through some kind of process, maybe admission control or maybe during your CI CD system. But that YAML has to be defined. Contrast that to an EBPF enabled tool where the EBPF programming is loaded into the kernel and gets access to any events regardless of the pod or the application. So we don't need to modify our pods in order to use EBPF for observability purposes, for security purposes and even for networking purposes that we might otherwise push into a sidecar. If we think about networking in particular that creates a lot of really cool capabilities. So the fact that we can inspect packets gives us some really powerful observability tools that are really performant that can be mapped to other aspects like Kubernetes identity. So we can have really detailed mapping between what network packets are flowing and which Kubernetes pods and services they relate to. We can get some really in-depth security forensics from this information. We can use the ability to drop packets or to modify them to create network policies. We can do encryption in EBPF. These are all really great benefits for security. And the fact that we can send packets to, we can change the destination for a packet allows us to create all sorts of interesting network functionality. Things like load balancing, routing services and particularly interesting I think is the idea of an EBPF enabled service mesh. And if that's something that you're interested in do come and speak to us about Scylium. EBPF is enabling the next generation of service mesh because we don't have to instrument the pods that make up those services in order to have these service mesh capabilities. So I hope that's given you some insight into why I'm so excited about EBPF and how we can use it, particularly for networking related functionality. If you're interested in writing your own EBPF programs my GitHub repo has some starting points. If you're interested in writing EBPF programs I would thoroughly recommend getting involved in a project such as Scylium. We have lots of issues marked as good first issues. So do come and check those out. I hope that you're going to have lots of questions for me. I'm pre-recording this now but I will be online and looking forward to speaking with you.