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Then between maps performance and maps aesthetic, you do maps anywhere again. It's about a year's worth of exercise programming. What's also included that included in that as maps prime, which has a self-assessment tool and teaches you how to prime your workouts. That's the super duper bundle. Super duper awesome. Either one of those bundles and roll in one of those and you can get two T-shirts for basically for free. You find out about all this and get more information all them at mindpumpmedia.com. Is it me you're looking for? Come on, Justin. Whoa. I wanted to see if you could keep carrying it by yourself. My goal when I sing is to trigger you. Yeah. It's not to sing. I'll tell you what. I was fighting it inside. I knew you were. You actually looked at me like, do it. Like you're holding a poop. Yeah.  Yeah. Takes over and. You're my trigger for sure. And blesses my ears with just beauty. Is it me you're looking for? He couldn't hold it for that long.  I can see it in your smile. Whoa.  Hello. Damn it, Adam. What is that? Could you imagine if I could see? Del? No, bro. Lionel Richie. What are you singing over there? That's Lionel Richie, dude. No, I did not know that. Damn it. You disappointed me right now. Well, I'm also not listening either. How can you not listen to that? I'm even more disappointed. I'm told you. I'm trying to finish a poster.  Fire up right away. It's like you're it would be. Yeah. It'd be like an angel coming down from heaven.  It's all beaming. It's all beaming. I was on Facebook. Brighten. Yeah. Light emanating. I missed Jesus. Sorry. Oh, beautiful colors. Whatever. Close my eyes. But let's be honest. Imagine. I was just thinking about this the other day. Yeah.  Like, why is he so terrible? And I know why now. Why is that? Can't imagine if he's saying good. Can't have everything. Exactly. It would be. Well, first of all, it's unfair.  Well, you know what I mean? He'd be in Hollywood for sure. Hollywood. He'd be the emperor of the world. So, so God. Wow.  Yeah. Exactly. God and his wisdom and glory said, look what I've created. I got to do something to, because this is not going to be, this is not good for humanity. Fucked up singing voice. I think it has something to do with, which is also, it gives me this incredible radio voice.  Because I'm constantly clearing my throat and spitting it. Trying to get more, more of that, that, that huskiness to my voice. And I've been smoking like four packs of cigarettes a day. It's not working yet. I don't think it was ever that. I didn't do that for years. Well, I know not for you. Yours is natural. I need, I need to performance enhancing. Grizzly. Substances. For my, and I tried swallowing sandpaper. None of that has affected me in a positive way. My voice still sounds, I still have that, that Kermity. Yeah, that one. That's a little bit more like that.  Cause now when I, when I listen to our podcast. You can't help but hear that sound. Yeah.  He's right. You know what though? In person or not, it's an exaggeration. It's a good thing my words are brilliant. Otherwise, you know, it would be good. It is a good thing. It's a good thing. You know what you're talking about. I don't think you sound that way in person. I think in person, when people meet you, they're surprised. I don't think we have a lot of people that are like, oh my god, you do sound like Kermit when they meet you. No. You know what? You should get dug to put some voice effects. You know what though? Yeah, why haven't you done that? I've heard a lot of people with a Kermity sound to like, my girlfriend actually has a little bit of that, that essence to her voice. No, she loves that. Yeah. But, but I've had, but I'll tell you what, I've had several people who have met who look at me and go, wow, it's so weird. You sound just like you do on the podcast.  So no, I've never had anybody say that. Like you sound different in person. Oh really? I sound the same.  And he's like, well, that's like exactly what you would say on the podcast. This is a blues mind. He's like, yeah, it's really us.   Like they, you know what I'm saying? Like they're like, hey man, this is all cool. Can you guys stop talking about business? We're going to do all these drugs and drink and go crazy. And we joke around like that. But in reality, all we do is sit around and go to bed early. We're kind of funny, daddy. Well, I think the most common thing I got was that it's exactly the same as the podcast. So when you ran into us at Paleo, it was like a moving or walking podcast where we're just, which I think that's the formula and the magic of the show is that there is no preparation. There is no not being ourselves. It's literally the conversations that we feel. The topics we feel like talking about for the day. And it's exactly how we would say it. We deliver it. There's no intention or, you know, purpose behind it. Like, so I think that's part of the magic. And when we meet somebody in person, I think they expect something different. You know, I think they think of this like a show where there's preparation and that we put, you want to turn your phone off, dude? Not bad. Your mom was texting me. Run in flow. Again? Exactly. I forgot to tell you guys. About my mom? No. I was joking. Dude, don't push it. Tonight I feel bad. In the locker room, I have another locker room story for you guys. Again? Excellent. I love those. The saga continues. Is this another sauna one? No. No, no, no. This is actually weird.  No, not. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And I heard a reminiscent sound and I can't duplicate it on the podcast because it would require me to pull my pants off, but it's the sound of the, you know, the Chinese films in Karate Kid 2. You know what I'm talking about? They spin. Yeah. And the thing hits both sides. Yeah. And you know how when you were like a kid, you would do that with your wing. You'd move your hips and it would... Both sides.  But it's a very distinct... You do the meat spin. Yeah, it's a very distinct sound. You guys would know if you heard it. Of course. If I was in the next room, you'd know exactly what that was.  Somebody...   Bro, I heard that exact sound. No way. And there's no mistaking it. There's no other way you can make that sound. Well, was it like... You can't fake it. Like... Like three times?  Like... It was cycles of it. It was whack, whack, whack, whack, whack. And then whack, whack, whack, whack. You can't see. You can't do it. I know. I'm trying. I would literally have to do it right now. Do it like this. No, it doesn't even work. That's kind of close. Kind of. It doesn't work because you don't have the same consistency in your hand when you're slapping. You need a... Right. You need a wiener. You need to be a little bit softer. You're used by a wiener real quick to try that. So I heard this... Adam, get over here. I heard the helicopter sound several times. Right next to me, I'm like, is that...  So I looked down at the feet and the feet are... Were they jostling? No, the feet are facing the toilet. Wow. They're obviously standing. You know what I mean? Like they're going to pee, which is the position you'd want to... You'd have to be in in order to do it. Like you'd have to stand. Is this a kid or an adult? It was a grown-ass ma'am. It's a big fee. Yeah.  So I'm like, whatever. We get out. I get out of the bathroom before the guy does. He walks out, totally naked, and he does a one-two shake. Like he does it one-two times. Boom, boom.  Swap, swap. Yeah.  I don't know why. I'm thinking he has a very strange shake-off method. You know what I mean? Trying to get the drips or whatever off. Whoa. Or... I think he like hurricanes it off.  That's funny you brought that up because I didn't bring this up, but I have to now that you said this. When we were at the movie theater, right, when we were coming back from Austin, right before we flew out and we were waiting for our plane, we went and saw...  You guys saw Guardians of the Galaxy. That's right. We saw Alien. That's right.  What is the etiquette for peeing at the urinal? What is it? Are you allowed... Don't talk to me.  You can't do it for someone else. Yeah, no, I know that. That's number one. I know that much. I'm sorry. Okay.  Straight ahead, right? If there's men on each side, right, if you're shoulder to shoulder, like when the urinals are that close where you're like, you're touching shoulders... Was there a divider? No, no divider. No divider. Yeah, there was no... I never use an urinal. That's where it gets tricky. Well, that's where I... And I always feel like there's... Like when there's dividers...  Exactly. So I feel like there's... It's very visible. ...the urinal etiquette when there's no dividers on the urinals. When you're standing shoulder to shoulder next to another man, literally you're... I can feel his shoulder against mine. You do have wide shoulders. And I'm a wide guy. So I can imagine there's another wide guy next to me. So we're literally... Creating friction. Whatever he does, I feel. So we're standing there, and I'm looking straight ahead. And this dude does one of the longest shake-offs. And as a kid, I was taught like any more than three times you're technically playing with it. So that's a female made that up. Is that right? I don't know. I don't know what she did because a lot of times... A lot of times you need more than three. Yeah, you shake like 50 times. Well, that's as long as it's not good. That's how I felt. He did like... So maybe you and him read the same book because he must have shook that thing 50 times. Not when I'm next to somebody. Yeah. He probably... His wife probably... Which a lot of wives make this mistake. They just do. They'll go to the store and they'll be like, honey, I'm gonna buy you underwear.  And he doesn't want the yellow pee-pee stain. You know what I mean? He doesn't want the... He doesn't want to do that. He doesn't want the yellow... Why does white underwear even exist? Seriously. It's the wrong kind. You know what? It was a deal.  And my wife's like, yeah, I just got you all of a sudden and I'm like, they're white.  They're disposable. Use them once and that's it. Exactly. I'm like, dude, listen, you know, I'm a clean guy.  But they're white, dude. Yeah. It doesn't give you any room, like any drip, any, you know, accidental fart. Yeah.  You know. A deep butt scratch. You can't hold me to that.  Yeah, like you're going to have to do something. Yeah.  Man, you can get like every... It's not cool. You can be like, hey, give me your underwear. I need a blood sample, a feces sample, and a pee sample. Yeah. It's like a petri dish. It was really easy to convert me in my early twenties over to the baby wipes. That's why I'm a huge fan of them.  It's like... What's with you? You were so angry at Austin. Oh man. You were so mad at Austin because you didn't have your baby wipes. I was.  I tell you, Katrina's normally rock solid. She normally like helps me pack and she normally takes care of my bathroom stuff. I mean, this is... The audience needs to know this was a 30 minute angry conversation you had with everybody. We were driving somewhere for 30 minutes. Adam was like...  He was ranting about why...  I need wipes. I do. I don't understand why people... What's a good... Can you do like... There is no replacement. You can't take the paper wet it a little bit. That does not work. You just leave remnants all over there. Yeah, no. That does not work. And I've tried the very city. I've tried everything, brother. None of that stuff works. You've got to have the baby wipes. If you don't have the baby wipes, it does not work. I've tried. I've tried everything. I've tried it all. I don't think so. I've tried everything from hanging my butt over a sink and splashing in there like...  Hold on a second. Wait a minute. That's so wrong. Where? You washed your blood in the sink? I did it at your house because you didn't have baby wipes. You washed your... God! I was like, why do I keep getting pink eye? You're done. I washed my face. I get pink eye. Oh man.  I mean, I've heard of peeing in the sink, but not washing your butt. I just thought, okay, so this guy does this. Kind of makes sense. You're rubbing my shoulder and he's swinging away at this thing for at least, at least a good 30 seconds. And I'm, it's shaking mine. It's shaking my shoulder. It's just shaking mine. You're gonna let go. Those vibrations are coming right down your body. He did the work. I almost wanted to... Together. Together. They'll start moving. It's like synchronized shaking and I almost felt like afterwards I should thank him. Thank you, sir. Yeah, you're like, wow, we got in the flow there. A little over, over, overkill though. But he was so big you just like let him. Yeah. That was gonna say anything. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Thank you, my friend. Like, hey man. Reminds me of the situation we're about to get ourselves in today. So we're going to record a how to defend yourself in a bar fight. Yes. I'm pretty excited for it. I am thrilled. And a little bit nervous. And it's the person teaching you. We're not actually gonna fight. No, no, no. You get to play the chick. That's why. Oh yeah, sweet.  Who has to try and pick up on. Justin has to pretend to be a girl. Adam has to be himself. I'm interested. I know. Exactly. It's an interesting.  By the way, the guy coming, I don't know, I can say who it is, right? Of course. I can say it's Kyle Kingsbury.  As if anybody would go up to Kyle's girlfriend while he's at the bar.   Yeah, I've always wanted to get you Didn't want to have any lines, you know Sounds like I don't have any lines like perfect. I just the roll for you.    I don't know what to do.  Why just cuz I thought that we agreed on that You know I'm going with the blouse Okay, okay, well, you know he's cuz you know Justin he's all like I could get violated He's more Justin's he's a he's a pro. He's a very appropriate conservative woman. I wanted to ask you guys Did you guys I literally today is the first day? I'm just feeling like I'm coming back to normal I've been really tired the last two days like overly tired Yeah to the like unmotivated to get off the couch type of tire I feel like it was a little bit of the time difference, you know in Austin But like really it was just we're we're throttling at 1,000 that's a sense So is anyone else cuz I told Katrina I came home yesterday from work and she's like what's wrong with you? I'm like I'm fine never I was nothing was wrong with me But I could feel my energy and then when I sat on the couch I was like I just didn't want to put out a lot of energy when we're there my gut was off there So that might you know, but yesterday I might have been tired had I gotten so pissed off with the whole post office debacle so that kind of Energized me I guess a little bit. Yeah through anger But otherwise yeah, no, otherwise. I think I'm I think I'm feeling okay. You know, it's funny. I was You know, we talk a lot about the motivations behind why we Maybe eat ride or exercise or whatever and we talk about how there's steps right of awareness with it and You know that kind of the first step of awareness is doing it for aesthetics And then the next step of awareness is doing it for health and then the final step is just just who you are So you're not really doing it for a particular thing It's just how you live and those are the choices you make and you enjoy doing it and I realize that I'm still not really there yet because I Although aesthetics isn't my primary driving force anymore my This my gut health is still one of my primary forces or drivers And let me tell you why that's a problem because some people like well, that's a good thing Here's why it's a problem When my gut health is great Then I start to slip because I don't have that motivation because it's tied to that You know I'm saying so for a while there I was having great gut health And so I just started pushing the boundaries and then my body reacted and I had this autoimmune response now that I'm dealing with right now So now I'm eating perfect and doing everything right and everyone you know my my girlfriend's like wow You're so motivated and it's like yeah, but for the wrong reasons like I should be doing this Just because it's just a great way to live not because My body's telling me fuck you and it's you know, it's it's having this reaction Yeah, you're just trying to find that balance, you know and be flexible because when we're out It's it's a pain in the ass. You know literally. Yeah, so yeah Lasting it out. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think I think we all kind of do the same thing I do the same thing I find myself It's like it's like a waxes of wings No, cuz when we were together, which I which I think is funny because you probably probably think I eat like that I eat the most, you know off the chain when we're out traveling That's that's and and I probably all of us do well Yeah, and I and I justify it because the those trips don't happen that often, you know One of the worst things we do when we go when we're all together because it's funny if you look at our food choices Except for the few times what we act like we're you know 14 year old girls at a slumber party and we you know buy a cake and ice cream show like that Which is pretty rare for the most part if people were to look at our nutrition even when we're eating quote-unquote bad It's still pretty good, you know the big thing that we do that we totally miss is we eat zero vegetables Yeah, well, that's what you know, that's a hard thing to do It is because I see when you're traveling when you're traveling.  It's a pain super available. Yeah, it's it's tough It's tough to do I've noticed I like it's such a dramatic difference in the way I feel when I don't get them You know so I can eat meat and me I can dig I'm pretty good with I don't have intolerances to meet for the most You know, this is kind of a good transition into a question that I did see come up multiple times in the last couple weeks with people just kind of curious to how each of us Individually eat and what are what are like our good go-to foods and what a what a normal day of eating looks like for you I Haven't shared my food in a long time because I haven't been tracking so for me It's you know very much so intuitive eating the only thing I would say that's different about How I'm eating now is I've recently gone got back to making sure I'm getting enough protein because Something that I found and I wanted to share this on the podcast because I know we talk out a lot about The overconsumption of protein because in the bodybuilding industry the recommendations are crazy Yeah, the recommendation is crazy And if you're a bikini or men's physique if you're a competitor more than likely you're an over consumer But there is a chance that if you're not a competitor You're just a normal person who's trying to work out you could be under consuming especially if you're a bigger guy like myself I under consume and and here's the things that I have connected with why that happens for me is For a long time. I was a huge carb and sugar eater So it's very easy and natural for me to gravitate towards carbohydrates And I find that when I'm intuitive eating in quotation here. I tend to Still gravitate towards the carbs So I have to actively go after protein to make sure I hit my RDA and I I've noticed that Since that's and that's the only thing that I'm really watching or tracking right now is just making sure I'm making it a point to make sure I get that in and I'm not really caring about where my carbon take where my fat intake is I'm choosing the same type of foods for the most part just where I would find myself Going after a carb. I go wait a second. I'm still only at a hundred grams of protein today I should go get a meal that's more balanced. Now. I think it's I think it's important to note with that is that You were under eating protein, but sometimes That's okay And it's actually probably a good thing to do that sometimes because you'll notice Yeah, maybe very responsive. Yeah, like you bumped it and it's like you bumped it to like 300 grams of protein I'm not even over 200 right you bumped it to 180 180 to 200 right so you were eating under 100 which is For muscle building purposes. It's not for a central pro You had a central proteins like you were under your central intake But you were eating less than the ideal amount for muscle building performance and you did that for a little while And then when you went up to 180 grams, which for a 220 pound guys still not a ton You notice this like boost from it. Oh, right away And I think it's important people know that it's it's a good idea to have days where you have lower protein it's a good idea to have periods of time where you're lower carb or lower fat or You know just like it's all those things like everybody says you need to have tons great sleep all the time Well, sometimes it's probably a good idea To not have great sleep to place a little bit of that stress on your body now You it's important to you want to understand that the individual variances by how we respond to stresses can vary dramatically so if you're If you're if you're an older individual or if you have certain type of you know certain disorders Where you need a higher protein intake lower protein for you might not be a good idea for long periods of time But for someone like Adam low protein every you know here and there for a week or so and then you bump it back up You'll notice some pretty cool benefit, you know, I do so so right now you're eating more protein What are the foods you gravitate towards? I do here's kind of like my go-to I'm I get a lot of Brussels sprouts a lot of bacon a lot of eggs a lot of avocado a Lot of spinach. I do a lot of berries So strawberries raspberries blueberries blackberries In my diet, I utilize a lot of coconut oil And butter I can't I do that a lot in my coffee or on my vegetables Do as far as my meats bison I do a lot of steak Like you know what I haven't had a lot of lately that I used to a lot when I competed was chicken just because I Tend to gravitate more towards fat right now And well the shredded chicken with the salsa thing that you showed me was pretty good Yeah, I mean we I have a pretty good I know just rattled off a few things, but I we rotate pretty well. What are your carbohydrate sources? I don't eat a lot of carbs right now unless we're off on a trip Like we did where we were eating so like those chips are like the first chips.  That's like a go-to fast fast food place for me So I get beans and rice in there. So and I would sometimes I'll do my Brussels sprouts. I have this dish that I make with Brussels sprouts bacon all walnuts and Bison and then I'll do a little bit of rice sometimes with that so rice is a pretty staple one in there I don't do any any wheat or any I don't do any bread at all That's that's kind of the major yeah It's a major rotation of foods and then all my meats I pretty much cycle through but those are probably the most go-to meals. Yeah right now I'm right now. I'm going pretty keto just because I'm trying to it does it seems to work well for my gut when I'm trying to reset it So it's pretty high fat. I do eat lots of vegetables though And so if the carbs I do get are usually from the greens like broccoli brussel sprout Rapini spinach that kind of stuff Meats are there the fats I use are similar to the ones you use. I don't even have really much fruit At this particular stage just because I'm like I said, I'm trying to get things settled but when I do eat carbohydrates my go-tos are White rice and sweet potato man. I'll tell you what sweet potato Yeah, it's fantastic for my gut at least like if I'm gonna have carbohydrates if I have sweet potatoes Sometimes that's what balances me out. Believe it or not. Oh, I really like to do to how about you Justin? Yeah, I do a lot of Brussels sprouts.  I'll do like broccoli and cauliflower from that and so typically Meat-wise like we'll all now since it's kind of warming up. I'll do a lot more barbecue and so we'll add You know like different steaks and and also like I'll do chicken and Do you guys eat lamb rotate it up? I do I do pork actually and so you like pork chops and stuff Dude lamb is amazing. I haven't done lamb yet lamb is really good. It's higher in CLA than other red meats. It's a high-fat meat. So if you're or at least certain cuts are so if you're You know high-fat diet. It's a great option. It's got a good nutrient profile Lamb meat tends to not be fucked with as much as beef So it tends to be better sources. Veal and bison are like my to-go-to. I love by and then I rotate the other Start doing that one thing I did like change up recently that has made a big difference for me because I Am I just realized like how much a dairy I intake? Just paying attention to it because for me like I can handle it like dairy is not a big deal But I just as we were talking and going through all this stuff like with the podcast You start to realize like well, I've been doing this like every single day Like I definitely hit up some cheese and milk and you know and butter obviously, but That's that's like a staple part of my diet So I've eliminated most of it and like the real sparing amounts of you notice any difference big time Yeah, really awesome way. Yeah, it was just because I mean the calories. I'm sure for one But just like giving that time in between to kind of like cycle out of it And I'm gonna reintroduce it in a couple weeks, but yeah, but even then too like You know some stuff with my gut and in heartburn all that has has gone down a little bit not like a lot But a little bit so I'm always I'm always kind of like cycling things in and out now to kind of see how I react But that was kind of a fun way to eat right when you're when you're thinking variety. Well, I also think that there's This I we are just talking to Katrina and I talked about this the other day about how how much we can change our our flavor profile by Just being consistent and disciplined about eating a certain way for a while like the foods that I eat right now Are couldn't be further from what I ate ten years ago Like I was my diet was so different and I don't even I don't even crave or desire any of those foods And but I do remember I really remember that transition of going from You know the hot pockets and the ice cream and the fast food into eating like that all the time being young 20 years old And playing basketball and moving so much that none of that shit mattered like it didn't matter I could stay in shape and still consume all those foods to later in life realizing like whoa, I can't and Then that transition of oh I missed those things and then going on and off the wagon all time to where Finally actually Disciplining myself for long enough to eat a certain way that my palate completely changed and now Those foods don't even sound good to me and it's not interesting. It's very interesting because for years fake Don't they it's got like a weird like almost like an engineered taste you couldn't I mean you couldn't pay me to go to a Taco Bell or you know or have or have a bowl of cereal I mean something like that was like a staple in my diet for a very long time and not only was it sounds painful Well, and it was good. I liked it like I love to get up in the market. I remember transitioning into being a trainer and Transitioning out of cereal for my morning breakfast every day like that I ate that every single day for a very long time and when I first gave it up It was tough and then I would go back and have it and it was like a treat and like now It's been so long since I've consumed a lot of that food It would just be I'd be like no, it's cool fast Like if someone out offered something like that not only do I not even crave it anymore It doesn't sound good at all, but it took a long time to do that it takes a while to change those those flavor profiles and It's really made all the foods that are better for my body. I mean, I've never Able and Sal you were really the person that really got me in this direction of like Making an effort to just eat vegetables like a meal Like I've never even thought like it just never dawned on me like to make a bowl of vegetables and like just eat vegetables and just have some butter and olive oil and salt or whatever on it and Once I started training myself to do that. I actually crave that like that interesting Yeah, like Katrina asked me like what do you feel like for dinner?  Yes, and they're still battling all these cravings and they haven't stayed away from it for long enough So bring it where's the bird? 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I tend to like all organic Yeah with it for like my kids So my kids will still have wheat because they don't seem to have any reactions to them I've taken it away and given it to them and So like if they have pasta for example pasta can be made with you know, semolina which comes from wheat I go organic always on that because Wheat gets and people don't know this a lot of wheat gets destroyed or I shouldn't say destroyed gets hammered with glyphosates as part of their finishing off process or drying process and glyphosates May be the reason why GMO foods are probably not good for people or certain GMO foods because we know glyphosates first off the World Health Organization as listed glyphosates which are herbicides by the way as a probable carcinogen now of course the amounts you're gonna get them when you eat food are acutely totally fine, but of course if you eat this over years you're probably you may be increasing your risk for certain types of cancer and They affect the microbiome for sure So my kids if they you know anything wheat-based always organic whether it's bread or pasta or whatever Milk definitely go organic.  Yeah grain-fed steak tastes better Because it's got well you have to say that because a lot of people will have like grass-fed steak And it's like yeah, but it it's a little more tough. You know back in the day.  They used to advertise like grain-fed beef. Yeah, because it tastes better.   How they eat them The wasp nest is normally up it up. No, no, it's in it's eat They bear wasp nests are always in the ground like in I didn't know that yeah, huh?   Dumbness of like dinosaurs. I look at their feet. What yeah look at it to like a t-rex literally you knew that yeah Yeah, cuz that's why they're they're going back and they're trying to like put feathers on like all the dinosaurs Just because they're like looking at that is like they're like feathers.  I didn't know I didn't know their little t-rexes running around They run like a mirror wash Jurassic Park where like all the raptors are running together. It looks just like that They're not very smart though. They're really dumb.   If so, why and how did you do it? I fired I fired What that I can remember One I fired one client in my entire life now I've had clients where I just stopped contacting them. Yeah, where you know that counts where they're super Inconsistent and what I'll do typically is I'll give them if they know show on me I'll give them a few opportunities and then because I'll call them and say hey you mister appointment Let's set up and just get another time after about two times of doing that I won't call them anymore and then when they call me They are no longer a priority on my schedule So I'll give them like an opening that you know here. This is only open to have and like well that doesn't work with my schedule Like well, we're gonna have to wait So there's that kind of like Kind of firing but not really that's just me saying look you're not being consistent. I can't prioritize you Yeah, but there is one time where I actually told the lady I will know I'm no longer gonna train you.   I just I want be a little more toned and Strengthened but I don't want to lift a lot of weight and You know when I come in I don't like the music too loud and Can we do exercises seated And I'm just like okay. Here's this is gonna be fun to train this lady And so like when she came in I was very much like okay I'm gonna you know get her get her to the point where she can start to enjoy this and this woman would tell me how to Train her well, I want to point out to that. I already I know both of you very very well. I'm including myself That we normally take someone like this on like a challenge, right? Like totally like I used to like okay You're nobody else wants to train this person or they're super difficult like I would embrace that because I felt like it challenged my skill set Totally, you know, I just want to point that out that you're talking to trainers, too That would love I used to love to face. I'm gonna give you the better. No, my goal I was known as a guy who took all the shit kinds that nobody know my goal was was I'm going to Then he gave me really help this woman out And she would tell me had a trainer and she would stop her reps short and by no means was I training her Intensely at all it she literally would just put her weights down and not say anything She I'd we pick up away. I'd be like, okay. Let's we're gonna try going for 10 reps She put the weights down after three reps and just look and just literally stare off into the either the mirror or Look off into space and I'd be like, why'd you put the weights down and she'd be like I don't feel like doing it anymore Yeah, I don't want to do that exercise anymore. Can we do something else? This was constant constant battling So finally it got on my nerves. This is after training her for like a month She had bought like 30 sessions. So it's after a month of training. I finally fired her. We're doing shoulder presses and I give her Five pound dumbbells, which she could have lifted probably 12 to 15 She wasn't a weak woman or you know, she didn't have lots of problems so I give her fives and she's doing them and she's doing them in a way where imagine if you gave someone five volume pills and They on top of it or just they just they just want to put the least amount of effort into anything exactly Exactly eyes kind of like Like and she's lifting and she's like like like you would lift your arm if you were Super lazy tired and like I don't want to reach the remote control and you kind of reach her like that That's how she was doing right and she's kind of doing with the five pounds and then she doesn't put the weights down She throws them on the floor She throws them and she goes I'm not doing these anymore. Those are way too heavy bullshit, and I'm like listen I said I've been doing this for a very long time Okay, I will always consider what you have to say in terms of the weight However, I can tell you unequivocally 100% with 100% confidence that that weight is not too light You could do probably 40 reps with that. Well, I don't want to do it anymore So we debated a little bit back and forth it so I said fine I'll get you the one-pound weights.   We're gonna do a hundred reps Yeah, 5,000 exactly.  I said look I've been doing this for about for over 10 years I've worked with lots of people. I've trained lots of trainers.  That's like I told the story on here Remember I told the story where the lady threw the weight at me and I fired her. That's a long time ago That was the only time that I like walked out on a client like she looked mid-session Very similar story to Salas, which is funny It shows you what it takes and this button this lady. I had for seven years So I trained her for seven years For punishment very much so in fact and I used to I you know I didn't share this with a lot of people have now because it's been on the podcast But actually I remember like I remember what a bitch that she was and I remember Like it was it took everything in me But it to me like I used it as like sharpening my skills like if I could make if I could win this woman over if I could Get her to like me to show up to these sessions to have a good workout I could fucking train anybody like I just really and so I took on I took on every session like that and You know, we had a relationship for seven years man where she was coming in five days a week sometimes more and You know towards the end of my career when I kind of knew I was on my way out and I was she was one of the few clients I still was was keeping with me and I just finally couldn't take it anymore It was a session just like Sal was saying like she was notorious for this like I'd you know right up this And for her it was like she always wanted to do like crazy workouts Like she loved that cross before CrossFit existed She liked that CrossFit type of mentality and she loved for me just to punish her You know, she was an executive for a big major company She had a lot of stress in her day and then she would come in and she wanted me to punish her and she didn't want to meditate She didn't want to stretch.   Let's go 30 second more pick it back up Let's go and I just push and push and then you could tell she was just getting Fatigued and tired and she's trying to muscle through it because she's and she's anger and the last and she finally Just threw the the barbell at me and it landed right on my ankles and bounced up didn't hurt me It barely it barely hit me, but the fact that she would throw it at me. I was so fed up with training her I just turned around it was like we still had like 15 minutes left in the hour And I just turned around didn't say anything and I just walked away from her It was the last session that I ever trained with her never call you or anything. She still had sessions left She wrote me a letter and she sent me apologize. Yeah, but this was so this was her ammo This was part of this abusive relationship that we know she would she would treat me like shit There would be times where I would finally be kind of fed up with it And then she'd write me a letter or she did it was a total unhealthy relationship And I was feeding into it by allowing her to stay to stay with me And so I realized that as I got older and wiser and finally just said I'm over this I'm not gonna feed into this unhealthy relationship And so I bounced on her and that was the only client that I walked away or did something like that I did I have fired clients recently and That's only because now I have like this spiel Like I don't take I always keep like a couple people like right now I have two people that I take care of and it's very I think we're all very similar We always keep like one or two people because it helps us keep the pulse on on training clients And and I think it's healthy for us if we're gonna stand on a platform like this and tell people how to train and work out That we stay keeps your information relevant It does right and see keeps us in touch And so we all kind of keep but we don't promote that nobody is Advertising for business or doing anything like that. So because of that, you know I kind of like hand-picked people that I'm gonna take on and I always give them this like spiel like right before and part of that is Here's the deal It's a minimum three-month commitment with me because then that's just because I know that if I'm really gonna change somebody's Relationship with food and exercise. I need at least that much time usually a lot more. Yeah That's the minimum. Yeah, and and really it's the three months. I know that in that time I'm gonna have shown and really taught them some things that normally is gonna get them to continue on for a long time with me So I could really help them and change their life So I do tell them that it's a three-month minimum commitment I have all these other things and kind of lay out what it's gonna look like but then I also say During that three those three months It's a three-month commitment from you But I may fire you and I will fire you if and I kind of go over all these things that I Expect from them and the reason why that is is because I've got a ton of people that would love to be the value your time Yeah, that would want to be training with me and I'm taking this person on it's normally a referral from somebody else or somebody who I think Needs a lot of help that I think is gonna be challenging or they've gone to tons of trainers They've tried tons of things they're getting those and I genuinely want to help them But sometimes Even those people that need the most amount of help like that aren't ready for it and they're not ready for someone like me They're not ready to make that change not ready to make that commitment And I just don't have the time I don't what and I tell them like you're hiring me right now as as your coach Like I'm not a one-on-one trainer like I used to be where I work for a company and my job is to motivate you and stuff Like I'm not here to motivate you So if you're looking for a motivation, that's I'm here to help guide you and and help you make these connections with food And exercise and you're and you're and yourself So if you don't have the desire to put the little bit of work in that I'm gonna ask you I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell you to kick rocks and so that's happened That's actually happened twice in the last year where I've had somebody who is it doing the check-ins Isn't doing the work that they need to put in for them and I might have some people just want a trainer Yeah, well, they think that that's the next piece, right? Oh, he's gonna give me this well. It's handled Yeah, right you you're not gonna have to do any of the work where it's like no you have to so with me you're You've got to do all these check-in things and you got to be tracking I want all that so because I'm really trying to help you dive deep into You know how these foods are affecting your body and if you just you can't even do those little simple things of tracking it For me, I can't really help you because and then I'm not gonna spend all day long trying to motivate you to do that So I have fired people for that yeah, I fired I fired one person and I mean, I've had a lot of difficult clients that I've put up with for years and for the most part for the most part I would say probably 80% of like my Most absolute like difficult client have turned into like my biggest supporter Because they just become this it's like the occult thing like they just they follow you to the end of the earth, you know because like you're the only one that put up with their shit and You know so I've had I've definitely took on the same approach like, you know Adam was talking about with just like Looking at as a challenge and like I can win them over and I can I can sort of steer them in the direction that they need to go Subliminally, you know without them even knowing it and I've done that with a ton of people but there was this lady that just and I have talked about this a long time ago same kind of a thing where shoes shoes in the punishment mode and It was like it wasn't just that it was the punishment type of workouts like it was it was literally like What do you call it? Not like not bulimia, but it was like Erexia or what do they call it where it's like exercise it is Their their way of like orthorexia. So it it was like so strikingly obvious to me that she was Like she would come in and she wanted to get to that level where she wanted to puke She wanted to feel like shit. She wanted to sweat like puddles. She was like punishing herself.    I was like this is awkward. Yeah Yeah, it was bad Quick interruption by our sponsors you guys lots of people have been asking us how they can support the mind pump mafia family Our first one is our chimera coffee that we love you guys go to chimera coffee dot com That's chimera with a k for 10 off. Don't forget mind pump at the checkout We also have our big top beard company dot com for 33 off also mind pump at the checkout check out Also brain fm. We talk so much about this for sleep and meditation It's brain dot fm for 20% off also mind pump at the checkout You guys we also talk a lot about books on here all the time.  Easy That's easy. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah, no two bus driver Totally. Yeah, we did this game already. That's right. There's two Two things I could see myself doing one is a teacher I could totally see myself as a professor. Really? I'd work with high school or college students A professor with that high school degree, huh? Well, that's the thing like If we went on to get like a degree. Well, I could see for hidden treasure. I had such a boring uh non-memorable experience in school That it was it was so unstimulating that I just didn't do it But now um having you know under really understanding that learning can be especially in college Okay, so we're gonna pretend that we could have the credentials to do well I would totally do it.  Oh, like today. Yeah. Well, that's I was gonna that's a fair answer I just didn't think of it that way like well I could change my answer that if I could have a phd and something that maybe I would Head to yeah, no, it would be a teacher because I would I love I love working with kids. I love Teaching lead. I love leading. I love coaching in those particular ways motivation all that stuff And the second thing would be motivational speaker. Um, I would And that's as as an older adult. I don't think I would have been I kind of feel like that's what you do right now though in a sense a little bit on the podcast But I'm talking about you're not playing this game very far. I'm talking about like a legit motivational speaker like Like you pay to come watch me and like Craig capersa wants to be maybe like that. Yeah, I don't know. He was trying to do that Yeah, you didn't know that. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's like Craig's ultimate goals to be that Like yeah above all things. I mean he's doing all this other stuff right now But I love it. Have you seen his videos with him working out with his daughter?  It looks like melt your heart, you know, um This that's the teacher things got me man. I can't believe you would be a teacher. That's great. I love working with you I volunteered at schools I volunteered at schools many many times He can't be in those educating people Well, like yeah, I get I get that you do like to teach I feel like we each have you know, I think I think I like to lead more than I like to teach Like so I like I like leadership type roles. Um a general I'm I am very uh, I'm very money motivated And when I got into cannabis that was like a big driver for me because I wasn't like this like marijuana guy when I went that direction and so When I was when I was focused just on money and And I was doing something I thought that I would be happy and I took about a year or two into that for me to realize that That's not what makes me happy. So seeing myself outside of fitness Uh completely like just okay, you can't do anything related to health and fitness That would be really challenging for myself for sure because I kind of left I left fitness for a while I did a detour and I've done other types of businesses have nothing to do with fitness from vending machines to You know mobile car detailing businesses So I've done shit that has nothing to do with fitness Because I want to make more money And none of them are fulfilling for me can as like fitness is to me I love doing health and fitness and helping people in that direction if I had to do something else for a career I would probably use my sales skills. I would do something We're and I and I don't know what that would look like because I Would you sell? Yeah, I don't know like I Well, then you'd be rich Yeah, or medical supplies or something in that direction. Um I've got I I did for a while there. I was picking up books on uh becoming a You know a loan officer and and selling real estate and going that direction I could see myself doing that I could totally get into that Um, but I you know, it's it's really tough man, especially since I have left fitness and came back If I'd only been in fitness, there'd probably be a lot of things that would uh peak my interest because I am driven by money But once I I saw that and I realized that wow it did like I'm not Happy I didn't realize that would happen that way and being a kid and I think I had to go through that to to feel that so I don't know.  It wasn't this thing Yeah, I don't know what the me thinning hair and getting older and I'm getting gray in my beer I don't know if I could pull that out. Maybe the 20 webcam torn 27 amateur stuff. Yeah. Yeah, actually Oh, dude, that's the money that actually Yeah, no, if I had no morals whatsoever I would totally be like one of those instagram girls right now That I think is fascinating of shit where they build the social media following with like You know 100 000 plus people and then they have their own little private channel And then I lay on my bed and I like play with feathers and stuff all over myself for like $59.99 and you get all access to me and all I gotta do is like sit in my room and the feathered boy Yeah, play feathers all over myself He plays tickles I just think it's so awesome how how girls right now can do that. Well, I'm sure there's guys. Why is that fascinating? It's just That's human that's what men will pay for well What's fascinating about it is in the past in order for you to if you go all the way back in time when that started You would actually have to sleep with these men to make that money So you could be a virgin And be a webcam whore and make and make millions of dollars like that's that's very fat That's not fascinating to you. I think that's very fascinating I think I think you could be a virgin but then have Tons of money from men that are are paying to to see you naked I think that's the market's kind of fascinating the market might be a little saturated If you take all the you have to be take all the moral all the people that are like judging right now Because right away I know people are rolling their eyes like judging right now. Oh, you know, take all that aside and just think about that That's kind of fascinating. Here's the drawback to that because I thought about that for a second. I'm like, god That's that is interesting. It's safe because they're in their own home, right?  Do you think you could do a good enough job of protecting that? I feel like you could how by change not having your name attached to it It's your likeness is what I'm saying the odds are I mean that of course the odds are that they won't find it But it's out there and here's anything if I got if I got that big Okay, if I got that big where okay, let's just pretend right now I do this in my in my trailer in Kansas And I I have you ever thought about this. Yeah, I have a name that is just a total made-up name. Okay Um and dazzling Dave and I get I get so big that you could somehow Like you know now that I moved to California because I'm filthy rich and I'm overdoing that And now I decide I'm going to work a nine-to-five job That I got so big that my nine-to-five job could research and somehow find me and attach that to no I'm not worried about that but think about so for me personally This is one of the here's one of the reasons why I would never do it is what if I did webcam porn It's out there.  I see or it makes you more popular. I was gonna say I feel like it's all about how you respond to it I think I could I think I could own it Yeah, I think I could own it and be okay with are you covering your back because of course I got a real answer Those videos already exist because there's there's there's dick pics of me all over the place somewhere. No, that's not why I just think that you It's so hard because we we judge right away with something like that But if the the girl or the guy in the situation is a complete virgin Your name's not attached to you you find a way to make a business for Who am I to judge all the people that want to pay 50 something bucks a month just to watch you Wack off or do whatever you're doing.  I post it on where where it would suck Okay, here's the thing. This is where it would suck.  Did you pick library for a reason? Is there a reason why you said that?  Talk about a shot to the ego If you finally you finally make the decision.  I'm going to see how hard for stuff You'd have to do on the webcam. Maybe so it's a valid option.   How do you know go?  I were going and changed the game I would go in and maybe tell a story Maybe have some maybe have a little bit of comedy in there. You do your motivational speaking Yes, maybe exactly. Maybe I just cleaning stuff.  Maybe there's like your cooking Maybe there's costumes that I wear. Maybe there's some different stuff that I do Maybe I maybe I integrate right out of business plan I might have one But I really what would your webcam name be? I don't know. I haven't thought about that far. I haven't thought about that far What would you name me? What would I name you?  I don't know Well, I feel like you'd be a subscriber. So what would you name me? Adam anal yeah, oh my god I would subscribe so I could save the video.  I'm sorry. You guys are horrible at this.  Sorry, Justin. What would you do, Justin? Me I'd like to express my my artistic side more. So I he's been waiting to answer so bad I led Adam astray because I was like hey porn and then he just went really deep with that Idea, which is great. I appreciate that Yeah, I I honestly like I would love to um, I would have loved to learn how to Uh, draw or like do more stuff like graphically because I'm so drawn to it anyways and uh, like Being like a a video game type um Artist or something like that where I'm like involved with the creative process. So Something along those lines and then like or like film. So uh, I I definitely Very much more motivated by creativity and like doing creative things. So if anything Opposite of this would have to be like more along those lines. So That's it man. Go ahead next next one. We're still the job. Yeah It is awesome boring.  How do they work? Are they effective and are there better alternatives? Good question. This is a good question. So uh, from a studies standpoint, what do the studies actually say On test boosters who got you ted baker socks. What do you mean? When'd you get those? Oh my socks? Those are nice. I thought I found them in your suitcase Those are nice.  So um test boosters.  Well, what kind right which is Which is this testosterone boosting herbs in particular? Work If you have low testosterone If you take them and you have normal healthy levels of testosterone, they don't do much at all So i'll give you an example of an adaptogenic herb That has consistently demonstrated to have some pretty awesome balancing effects when it comes to hormones It's uh, one of them called tongue cat. Uh, Ali or um, god, what is the uricoma lung folia?  Um, it'll it'll raise it to more of a healthy normal range But if you already have healthy normal levels levels of testosterone You don't get any benefit. So I know a lot of guys a lot of people Or supplement companies. I should say advertise, uh tongue cat Ali as a test booster But in reality Only if your test is low does it really do much now there is one, uh supplement that will raise testosterone Regardless of your current testosterone levels, but it's very short lived and it also raises, uh Female hormones in man. So you will notice you you will get rises in estradiol or estrogen And that's deaspartic acid deaspartic acid In men will raise testosterone Uh for about 10 to 14 days after that it goes right back down to normal So are you going to get any muscle boost from that or anything like that? Nope? I mean, it's too short doesn't do much and Raise your normal healthy levels of testosterone by 30% which sounds like a lot And you're not raising it enough really to notice major gains I mean even when people take anabolic steroids They're not taking 30% more than their normal levels of testosterone They're tripling or quadrupling or more Of what normal testosterone will be before they notice, uh muscle gaining effects So this is this is a woman asking by the way, too Okay, yeah, so I know I made the I made the smart out.  I wouldn't recommend that So here's an interesting thing. I just want to by the way low testosterone in women is bad too Women have a little bit of testosterone Not nearly as much as men do but low testosterone in women Uh causes the uh similar effects that low testosterone in men will cause Low motivation, low confidence, low sex drive, low energy So uh in women, um, you know, when you go get hormone profiles done or you think your hormones are off Sometimes test your testosterone levels too If they're low, you won't feel very good and adaptogenic herbs in women also have these kind of balancing effects Another adaptogenic herb that I really really Like using for myself when I'm stressed out or I'll recommend to clients sometimes Um is ashwagandha ashwagandha is another herb that tends to balance people out now. Here's the thing. Here's the cool thing about Plants, this is why I like plants so much so much as supplements two reasons number one There are active, uh, what we like to consider active components in these herbs You know where scientists will say well What is causing most of the effects of this particular plant and they'll find like in ginsing like what's in ginsing? That's giving it adaptogenic effects for some people and they'll find ginsinosides I think they call them which are these specific chemicals and then of course what supplement companies do is a Standardize and extract just those and say here. Here's what you're going to take not a good thing because herbs have this natural balancing effect and there's this entourage effect of All these different components in the plant that seem to work better together Than when they're isolated they have this this more balancing effect Chinese medicine and eryvetic medicine use herbs quite a bit in their treatments But they never recommend herbs all the time same thing with adaptogens like I'm not I never recommend someone take You know an herb all the time. I recommend if you take an adaptogen Take it when you're feeling under high levels of stress. Maybe it's you know life circumstances Maybe you know you have a young child so you're not getting much sleep Maybe your diet has been really off because you've been traveling You know or you just feel really crappy and you know you're off balance That's those are good things to take at those moments But I don't think they're good to take Like all the time or at least if you do take them a very very low dose So that's how I would use you know test boosters quote unquote test boosters as supplements How about you guys? Well, I think you have no comment. Yeah, I think you do you guys have experience with test boosters? I do I do and I hear I'm not a big fan. Yeah, I don't recommend and like you said I as far if you're going to take things I would go the natural route Actual the actual test boosters that I messed with when I was a kid had More adverse effects than anything to me. So I remember I got my first you know flare-up of gyneomastia from Uh a over-the-counter supplement that was you know called trend something I can't trend x or trend something when that was popular and it later on got pulled off the shelves Uh, but messing with testosterone with that Uh, and I made the joke about just go take test steroids and I'm kidding about that But I do want to point out that I wish that I have I had done more of my homework on The difference between all these over-the-counter test boosters Versus real testosterone synthetic that you could get prescribed And what that was like and I wish I I knew what I know now and what I know now Is that we don't have a lot of studies around a lot of this shit that you get at the store at at your local Supplement, it's all the rejected You know compounds that for the most part that are going to give you all the side effects and all that shit Yes If you're going to mess with your hormone levels, okay If you're going to mess with your hormone levels I'd much rather do it by getting my blood work and then looking at having a doctor Take take a look at it and then and tell me and it sounds So crazy because it's like oh you have to take an injection from you know A synthetic needle. Oh you have to get needle and see that's that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about with herbs You're not going to get a boost if your testosterone is normal You may get a boost if it's low and that's why that's one of the things I love about You know some of these eastern You know philosophies of medicine is that it's all about balancing you out and the plants work that way so When you look cannabis is a great example by the way, I don't know if cannabis would be considered an adaptogen But cannabis is one of those things where For the immune system, for example, if you have an overactive immune system where you have autoimmune issues It will actually help control it and balance it out But if you have an immune system that's underactive like you have cancer or hiv Cannabis has been shown to strengthen the immune system And that's why I like whole plants so much and it's not true for all plants But when you use herbal supplements and you use them on the white right way It's not like boosting you into this like Superhuman level it just helps optimize your body Along similar lines and nowhere near as effective as eating properly and exercising right Well, I didn't say eating properly exercise sleep lowering your stress meditation all these things I think will do more for your testosterone and boosting your hormones I think more than any herb or any supplement on the market And now if you were somebody who was like me who was in the search of I want more I was much testosterone to get then that to me is the is synthetics Testosterone is going that direction and that's where you have to ask yourself Is that something I really want to do to my body and you have to be okay with it But to think that because it's at a store and it's sold over the counter That this stuff could be okay for me. It's not it's not okay We don't know very much about it if I'm going to take the risk to mess with my hormones I'm going to take testosterone I'm going to take the real thing and I'm going to monitor my blood and I'm going to check that To me if I want that extra bit of testosterone that bad That's the route that I normally tell someone to go Instead of being like the kid that I was which was trying every fucking thing under the sun that said testosterone Attached to it like I wanted to see if it was going to make me feel more anabolic when I worked out And in reality if I would have just ate better Cleaner rested meditated slept better, you know worked out didn't over train All those things would have kept my hormone levels As optimal as they possibly could be naturally and then if then I still wanted to get crazy and I wanted to be Anabolic, you know and take take these levels to a whole new level I would go and do the real thing instead of actually going over the counter and trying all these pills that are not regulated Now one thing another thing that I want to talk about on this particular topic, which is kind of interesting is When you go get your testosterone levels checked they typically will test total testosterone Now that's a little bit misleading because total testosterone Is not giving you The free testosterone number and what I mean by that is if your testosterone levels are you know on the normal high side Let's say you're you're measuring it like 700 or 800, which is good good testosterone reading But most of it is being bound Then it's unusable so you can have great testosterone levels, but it can be bound And unusable by the body, which basically means you have low testosterone And you'll find this sometimes where a man will go get tested. He's got all the symptoms of low testosterone Goes to the doctor they test total testosterone. They're like no your testosterone levels are fine He's like, why do I feel like shit? Then he'll you know through just being frustrated through you know trying to figure this out He'll go to somebody who's a little bit better at testing and then they'll test Free testosterone. They'll be like, okay. Here's why you have symptoms of low testosterone You have high levels of shb.  Now there and what it does is it binds this testosterone and makes it It renders it basically useless Now if in terms of you know some of the androgenic effects of testosterone now There is an herb that you can take that will reduce This particular sex binding Hormone and will increase free testosterone If you have high levels of of shbg and that's fenogreek So if you have Symptoms of low testosterone something else you may want to try that doesn't raise testosterone But we'll free up testosterone Is fenogreek you could buy fenogreek tea or you could take fenogreek in its whole natural herbal form in pills and Some men will notice like wow, I feel like my testosterone levels went up Or I feel better and it's just because it freed up a lot of testosterone So with that being said 30 days of coaching Still available and still absolutely free you go to mind pump media.com. 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