If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump with your hosts Sal DeStefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews in this episode of mind pump We announce the contest it starts today. That's right. It's gonna be Sal versus Adam versus Justin versus Doug. It's really me versus the world We're all competing to see who can get the best shape in six weeks Adam and Justin have been fighting Like crazy over who's gonna get second place? We will see at the end of the six weeks It's gonna be a lot of fun.  Do we hit light? Do we hate losing like which one is more powerful the the hate for loss or the love for the win Which one's more important? So that was a good part of this episode Then we talked about some of these online conspiracies towards the end of the episode I also mentioned a free guide that we just created the top three things you do to burn body fat That's available at mind pump free Dot-com also, I think we mentioned organifi and I will be using their protein throughout this entire process if you go to Organifi comm forward slash mine pump you will get a discount on any of the organifi products and I do also want to mention that this month Maps anabolic the program that started it all the best muscle building strength building and metabolism boosting program is 50% off so you can actually get full access to maps anabolic for life for under $60 We also have a bunch of bundles where we combine maps programs together and discount them and they're designed for specific goals Like our super bundle which is a year of exercise programming all of our bundles and the maps anabolic 50% off promotion is available at mine pump media Dot-com Who's the last one to get on the mics? Who's the last one always?  No, it's not dude.  I know how to get him dude. Damn it.  I was like why is it may smell swing? He's always doing I'm doing I was waiting for it. Larry. I was waiting for your response, and I'm like respond. I'm like, did he hurt his feelings?  He thinks you and I are working together cook inspired. I Wouldn't put it past you guys. Yeah, I mean Sal's got one direction. He's trying to take me Adam. They're like, this isn't working This way No, you know what it's gonna be like in this room. So one of my favorite car games I know you guys don't play this you might not get this analogy.    I already got him yesterday I got Adam yesterday. You should ask him what happened Because you guys are working out together. Oh, this is gonna be so great. We were all we were all lifting in the gym I was working out with Taylor and Enzo, which was a lot of fun By the way, I have to side with you Adam It's very difficult to control your ego when you're working out with two kids 100% I mean I was up to you Bro, I was I pulled over. I don't know what I was pulling 515 510 515.     It was so hot in here and then that's why I had to get out of here Yeah, I went to AC like Jim. I went somewhere actually had like It's like 19 it's like the 1950s or that's like that's like an advertisement like we also have a see TV not here at mine pump, you know, it might have happened here I hope this isn't what happened because you know Doug's gonna be he's not gonna He's not gonna let you live this down the day you turn down the AC and Doug was like it's gonna freeze over I know it's not I know AC I've been up Adam's exact words. I've been operating a see for like 20 years like And that doesn't work AC master I was just telling him what the HVAC guy told me so hey So this has happened okay many a times in my lifetime This was the point of that of where we have froze that Managing gyms, okay small boxes and big boxes This is very common if you crank your AC all the way down when the temperature is really hot outside They freeze over just can't keep up. They just stay on the whole yeah Yeah, so it's less likely to happen in a half hour to an hour time when it's 80 degrees outside trying to turn the AC down to 65 So that's what happened ours or froze not that not right now. I don't think that's what happened.  I think we have the like the heat and cold contrast model of AC You know I mean the one that trains your body to acclimate or something because it's never you're right like right now And I can handle the heat. I'm you know I wasn't complaining yesterday, but I could feel it I'm like melting.  I'm looking at it.  I was out trying to get some coffee. I was doing anything I could just to get I get irritable when I get hot dude. Oh, I'm so I mean We know where I'm already irritable guys.   Yeah, that's we built.    I think it's just talk to him I think we need it. I think we need a little stern talking with the owners of the building is okay Yeah, I think I think that's too nice I think Doug when communicates over is like hey, you know, it'd be it would be nice If you could help us work out this AC issue, maybe help us fix it I think I don't encourage Doug to snap. I need you want us to know you don't Know where have all the people that lease the building from these people were the most consistent and we're not going anywhere That's true problems. I know you have problems collecting bills from everybody else.   That was probably one of if not the worst headache I've had and now the asshole move that I did you sure it's not brain cancer I Feel terrible you would I feel so bad you would be funny Strategies to make you think you're like actually dying Like you got a problem. You know what I could actually do that with you guys cuz you guys trust me so much with your health I would never do that. I would never do that. I would yeah, I did it one I take your stuff with a grain of salt. I don't trust anything. You said yeah, you have to convince me like I did I did it once to who was it my cousin where he was Oh, I was on FaceTime with him and my brother and my cousin were all messing with each other And they were all swimming and I see him turn around to go do something and there's this Row of like circles on his back And so my brother's like what's on his back and my cousin's like, huh?  He's like what is it Sal? And I'm like listen, I'm like these are boils. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm like take I'm like dude Dude, I'm like take your pulse. So my do you know how to take? Oh my god, yeah, so he takes his pulse.  I'm like a little bit I Stretched out I stretch it out for like ten minutes with symptoms that I knew he had You should have given him like cream and stuff to smooth slather. I'm like is your pee has your pee been really dark lately He's like, I think so. I'm like, look, I mean this is a sign your liver Maybe and poor kid was freaked out and then after that I felt bad. So I won't do it I won't do it. Hey, you see all the four members hopping on the six week challenge with us. That's kind of cool Yeah, yeah, how many there's quite a few everybody's posting pictures where they're at right now or their body fat Percentages and everyone's kind of doing it. Now. What do you I'd like to hear what you get now? I have my own like my own personal goals Obviously, I said to you guys that I'm gonna win and I plan to but I also like there's certain things that I'm working on Glad you're giving yourself pep talk. Now. Are you do you consider are you guys fighting for second place? Is that what you guys are doing? But I also like I'm still not Back to where I want to be body or muscle wise So that's still a high priority right now for me Even though we're gonna do this like body fat thing so and now obviously increasing muscle mass will also reduce body fat percentage too But to do both is always tough, right? You typically you focus on one or the other and the the easier thing for me to do would be just to do a Purely cut and just try and shred as much fat as I possibly can and then say at the end of six weeks I shredded X amount of fat So personally, I'm going to I'm gonna come out right now And I'm gonna run two weeks of a deficit and I'm gonna lean Then I'm gonna run two weeks of a bulk and then I'm gonna run two weeks of a cut So I'll just tell you guys straight up my strategy of what I'm doing and the reason in the middle Well, because I still want to build lean mass because I I'm getting back to building my physique again Now if this was a you know show and I was getting ready if I use the same formula that right And you just want to peel all the way right and I'm already happy with my lean body mass But I have a feeling when we test today, you know my lean body I like my lean body mass to be over 200 pounds when I start to cut I'm I'm guessing I'm gonna be somewhere in the 180s to 190s and so I would like to build we need to figure out the parameters Well, what I was thinking about this last night say how are we gonna because I know I'm at a disadvantage I'm going into this consistently trained already fit you guys going into it out of shape So you guys have a lot of room you guys have a lot of room You know I mean there's a lot of potential there, right? So I think I think we I mean I'm really wheezy This is what I this is kind of what I want everybody to do And I think that you know and because I'm thinking this is what I'm thinking Muscle built fat lost and then most of the best visible change Which I think we can all vote on and then what we'll do is we'll think of points for first second and third So first place in muscle built maybe get five points first place in fat lost Maybe get five points and then first place and who made the best visible change will take pictures overall aesthetic And then whoever has the most points at the end of it gets first place And then everybody else second third like compare contrast kind of points in that last yeah So like if like let's say we do our body fat tests and we go and like okay So, you know Sal lost seven pounds of body fat, but Justin lost eight pounds of body fat and Adam lost six pounds Well, then he's gonna get you know Justin will get first place points I'll get second place points and Adam will get third place and we'll do that with muscle game much else gonna be laid out Yeah, and we'll do we'll do that with a muscle game and we'll do that with with pictures And then what we'll do with the pictures is everybody will look you can't vote for yourself We'll make that rule and then we'll say okay everybody vote on who made the best visible change Yeah, and we'll take a before and after select you know, I feel like that's fair, right? Yeah. Yeah, you could do that I was doing a couple more variables. I thought it would be kettlebell press I thought it would be kind of cool to to take the test today and then to actually Tell everybody what we're looking at so I could say you know I have X amount of pounds of lean body mass I have X a pound X X amount of pounds of fat and then my body fat percentage is this and then I would share with you guys I have six weeks. This is what I'm gonna try and achieve bottom line like straight up and everybody can be different Like maybe Justin goes like I just purely want to reduce body fat. I already have enough lean body mass I just want to get leaner and I know a realistic number for me is this Yeah, and same thing goes for you and that's you know your body where your current and I think what's more What's cooler about this is to show people how much we can control that right like that. Oh, no I think that's smart. We do need to be honest. I was like gonna say I was gonna try and maintain for the most Maybe gain just a bit of lean body mass, but for the most part Yeah, my goal is to to kind of peel down. You've already lost like four or five pounds.  I was sandbagging, you know At the same time like coming into a sandbagger. I ain't no sandbagger That's not like a racist term You know that comes from I know what that comes from you do yeah, well the term sandbagger Yeah, well, we used to say that at 24 when people know where did it originate? Oh, I don't know yeah golf. Oh Yeah, okay. It's a golf term.   He's you know 10 over par consistently. So his hand average is his norm, right? So his handicap is 10 so he gets that those 10 swings now people do this where they they shoot kind of terrible Oh, and then they go into a tournament and they go into a tournament and then they hustle, huh? Yeah, it's just like you're a sandbagger Yeah, I mean very similar, but yeah, like I yeah I didn't want to be that I like that obvious about it because I could do that obviously I'm in a position where I could do that but like I'd I Just want to get healthy my agenda is to like pay attention to like my sleep and and the way I'm waking up in the morning And the way that like overall, you know my digestive system is is working and so You know like I am doing this this carnivore diet. So it's interesting It's it's definitely something that I'm like taking notes as far as like what I experience, you know Every day like what what it is that are some of my challenges and you know some of these things like with like palette fatigue Is already something I'm noticing, you know, oh you getting grossed out now by me. Well, it's just not not that I'm grossed out It's just that it's As far as like if I was to think long-term like I'm thinking six months from now and I was like still doing that I'd be like, oh You know like it's just like a like oh that's same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing You know, I did like I didn't think I was very much of a variety person But like just having vegetables totally breaks up the meat But so it's interesting Have you lost like four or five pounds? For me, I just feel like I've just I'm less like swole.   So I feel like I've dipped a little bit in performance Actually in my workouts, but I'm gonna keep paying attention to that see if like I need to go through this a bit longer So you're trying to go in and not you're just trying to maintain is that what is that we're saying? Well, no, but I mean I'm cuz you're gonna keep losing. No, that's a good way to set it up Set the table for no results Yeah, I pretty much want to stay the same so I win no Just to me says I need probably need some more calories So I'm gonna I'm gonna mess with that and see if I can kind of energy. Yeah. Yeah for me I don't know. I was thinking about sick. What's my goal? I guess my goal is be I'm gonna try and get shredded I think that's the best thing I can do. I'm trying to add lean body mass, which is what I've always tried to do Consistently, I don't know how much lean body mass.  I mean that's just like this is you're where you're at right now It's where I like my body to be right before you're ready for a show Yeah, I think I think I'm gonna try and get shredded. We'll see what happens. Yeah, see what happens in six weeks But here's a thing for me. I have You know, we all have these limiting factors for me It's my gut health if I can maintain my gut health really well, it's not gonna be a problem I'll get shredded if my gut goes off that's gonna take priority I'm gonna have to get make sure I get healthy before I try and go.  What's cool is is everybody in here kind of typically Training and eating and do well. I know Justin's doing the carnival. Do I so that's actually really unique But are you guys doing anything different? Are you implementing anything different like for for me? I'm gonna use a lot of my tools that I have always used I plan to use my Fitbit That's why I've been consistently wearing it I'll be tracking my food and fat secret like I'm gonna do all those things now. Are you guys? Using any tools? Are you planning on doing anything different than what you would do in the past? I'm gonna use my Apple watch Yeah for staff count and all that like the actual sleep Metrics on there. I'm not really gonna pay attention to but like yeah, I'm definitely doing that As far as like cardio and like like so it's all gonna be neat and then you know towards the end I'm gonna I'm gonna focus a little bit more on like the athletic type of cardio So like stuff. I was kind of doing Previously with like uphill sprints and a lot.  It doesn't replace anything But when I do my you know three trigger sessions on my off days consistently That is crazy everything for fat loss muscle building and so I'm saving that towards the end I'll do a little occlusion to see what I can do in terms of squeezing out more muscle now What about programming for both you guys? What are you guys doing as far as your routine? Oh, yeah, so more maps aesthetic during my like a foundational days And then I'm actually doing why you see me doing like pushing the sled and like like the May spell and all I'm using that more for trigger sessions. And so I'm doing that consistently With the unconventional stuff. I'm replacing with the rubber bands basically. Mm-hmm. No, I'm doing split So I'm still on split right now. Oh, you will it carry you through good I think it will if my body if I feel like I need to change it up I will and I may towards the end go back to full body with trigger sessions what I said earlier But I'm gonna see I'm just gonna see how my body feels I my volume is gonna slowly start to ramp up and I may start training Twice a day is what I may end up doing. Whoa. Yeah, but we'll see wow That's cool that you're doing that because we were both doing the same thing. So it's kind of I like that Split I like having us having similar in just a little few different variables. What about supplements? Supplements wise the staples, you know creatine. I'll use the Organifi protein if I'm my protein intake is low But other than that, it's just creatine is really and then the other stuff like fish oil and certain minerals and vitamins If I feel like I need them, but nothing crazy. There's really no supplement. That's out there That's gonna really do Anything for me. I don't take fat burners because I've done that in the past and I know exactly how that affects my body I end up losing muscle and feeling shitty. Anyway So it's really nothing nothing else. What about you guys? I'll be using I'll be what when I get like dialed in food wise This is where I really like to start to add in supplements that I can I feel like make a difference because my diet is consistent And so, you know, you all consistently every morning be probably taking my vitamin D turmeric and then and my omegas and then Before or after my workouts, I'll be doing creatine. So those will be and then I always utilize either way or the Organifi protein So I bounce back and forth between the between the two of them because I just it's rare that I get enough Protein every single day. So for me, it'll be and I know that it wouldn't be bad if I had a one low day of protein But I could easily string two or three days. So for me You know, I'll probably be consistently, you know, every other day I end up probably using a shake because you know, I'll string a day or two. Do you have any go? What are your go-to foods during this period? Do you have go-to foods? Sure? Yeah, I know I definitely do although I'm big on food rotation. So I never eat the same thing over and over consistently but I love to meal prep and I love chicken thighs white rice and then some sort of a green and I rotate my greens typically through asparagus Spinach and broccoli Broccolini's those are kind of like my my go-to veggies. Do you have like a Like a rotation of your macro is all planned out as far as like, you know, the percentages kind of in a yes and no Like so I have an idea. So I haven't been tracking really consistently up until about a week ago I so so I'm kind of like paying attention right now and I'm falling right around and this is why too I was telling you guys I don't want to completely go for a cut and I think this is a I'm glad we're talking about this because I think this is a mistake a lot of people make So I know my body so well. I know where I like to be lean body mass. I know where I like to have my calories I know where I like to be with all that stuff before I do like an aggressive cut and I'm just not there. I'm up to about 3000 calories a day. That's not very high for me. You know, I would eat 4,500 to 5,000 calories. No, mind you. I was 20 pounds heavier. I'm on anabolic things like that But still, you know, I should be north of 3,500 to 4,000 calories in a place where I really want it to cut So being that I'm only at 3,000 calories right now That's why I'm only gonna do this like and I said two weeks But I'll watch my body and if I feel like I'm dropping too fast or I feel like I'm my metabolism is slowing down I'll kick myself out of the the deficit and go back to a surplus for a while and try and gain So even though I have like this set plan of like macros and caloric intake where I plan to stay That very well could adjust and change which I anticipated to because I know that I'm not You know, I would never like let's say this was there was a show in six weeks And I'm like, you know what? Let's get ready. You know, I'm I'm lean enough to where I could get pretty lean for the show I wouldn't do it because I know I'm not in a good position to to get ready for show. Could I do it? Absolutely, but I wouldn't do it because I don't think I'm in an ideal situation So I that's what I mean by like this is gonna be different as we get ready for this like no matter what I'm planning to be changing my body composition week over week. I will be improving but What I'm doing with my calories and cardio and stuff like that will be adjusted week by week based off of what I what I kind of See, yeah, I'm doing my go-to's will be for the starches white rice buckwheat sweet potato And of course all the the meats, you know red meat is always my my go-to when it comes to for proteins and fats And then vegetables, you know, I like the cruciferous, but I also like to rotate those with things like bok choy And spinach and stuff like that and I'll cook it really well And I feel like I can I can consume a large amount of those and feel good But I do like to cycle Low carb with higher carb once they start to get closer because I do notice that if I go look I'll go low carb and I'll squeeze off a little body fat and then I'll but I'll notice I'm flat and I'll pump up the carbs And if I get my body fat tested right around that point I'm usually leanest because everything's full and have lower lower body fat. Absolutely. Yeah, so and that's when I'll feel That's when I can I feel like I look Like I've made the biggest biggest changes So I'll be doing that the entire way through I will be cycling carbs up and down And I know Justin asked the the number. I don't know just as you be cycling as me I'm really excited to really Hear your feedback on this whole journey because it's it's very interesting to me to to try and change I mean that was one of the things that even that I didn't like about the ketogenic diet that we did is just It gives me less variables to play with I like I like to be able to manipulate all the different macro nutrients I like to rotate change more and like the more restrictive your diet is The harder it is to do that stuff. Yeah, the simplicity of it I guess was appealing to me on that aspect just because my lifestyle and in just everything else that I'm managing and trying to control In my own environment, but at the same time.   It's just a matter of like my own your digestion Is it better or worse or the same better? Wow, better.  Yes, then that's what I was a little bit worried about like backing up, you know, and like not having like regular Bow movements, I was gonna say dumps You'd have to get all science. Yeah, yeah getting off the old churchy over there but yeah, like So far so good, I mean it's pretty much consistent like the way I was doing it before so it should reduce the amount of Like the amount of times that you go to the bathroom, which is normal because you have less bulk right to your stool But other than that, you know from what I've read and less people have issues like I still paint in those toilets Yeah, no, you're not. It's not as bad. I went in there the other day I haven't seen one painted and I know I was like it doesn't it's not that bad. It's solid now Is there are you pooping less? You probably do. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like maybe twice a day I would say instead of five times.  I know that's what's hilarious.  How bad I think safely understand put it on and put it right back I saw a guy at the store the other day ticked by some but some alcohol started drinking and just put it down in the aisle Kept walking around like this fucker just free drinks. Wow. That's I couldn't judge him though because I did the same thing Are you are you gonna be doing any? Macro counting yourself like are you actually gonna track or you just kind of you know I've never I've never done it that way for myself So I don't think I'm going to I might do it just to see what it ends up at But I just go off of how I feel and what I see in the mirror and my performance in the gym and just I mean I got myself down to what four or five percent body fat doing that before and Consistently I'm able to get myself in the in the single digits doing that and I think that's what I'm gonna do I think my goal over six weeks will be to lose anywhere between Four to six percent body fat. I think is a good goal. I don't want to push it too hard It's an aggressive goal. It is. I mean six weeks four percent. It's not bad, right? Six percent is kind of aggressive Yeah, six is aggressive. I mean a half a percent to a percent a week is a very Realistic but very but also you have to be consistent. Oh, yeah for sure You know when I'm when I'm getting what I that's how I would gauge like my weeks out for a show like I okay I'm at you know twelve percent body fat and I got a show in eight weeks Okay, I know where I I can get I can get to four percent, you know pretty I feel confident.  Yeah, that's giving me maybe one or two weekends where I enjoy myself a little bit It's the way it's the way I figure it like I might be able to have one or two weekends where I Enjoy myself a little bit not going out not going crazy But other than that there's got to be four weekends in there where it's consistent like it is Monday through Friday In order to drop that kind of body fat. That's at least what I've done. That's where I'm gonna get you guys Dude, I'm a weekend. Yeah, I'm a machine. Do you know what time out bro weekends?  Yeah, it's your favorite thing to do unless I'm in competition mode, dude Yeah, what's come into competition, but you know, it's great. I got a lot of housework. Do you listen, bro? I am still I'm still listening to Drake when I work out.  It was you know, I was really happy working out with those kids yesterday though Because they you know, they look up to us and you know, that's such a disappointing workout with Adam the day before They got to see true They're not all talking Love the fact that you've now done like I look forward to when Justin's done to One I think it's been great for the company to for all of them Yeah, you see the energy within the staff and everything now everybody's lifting and training and stuff I love to see that and then I think it's really good. I mean these guys haven't they haven't really had a chance to To live with all of us They haven't had a chance to feel what it's like to be trained by yeah It's and I was I mean I was watching you as you were training them And I thought this is really cool because you you did like I mean I coached and worked out which by the way, I fucking hate the yes or I just want to put it out there That's why I left but I know I know that it's it's good And right and I can tough it out for six weeks to help some kids out and in and in create the environment stuff like that So and it helps me that you guys are doing that too because then it then I don't feel obligated to be the guy Who's all I don't mind doing it is I don't like doing I don't mind doing it It's just I don't coach as well as if I was just right right cuz so I'm kind of doing both That's what I mean by that and when we're when we're in a focus mode on ourself like I mean I was you know Enzo listen to this was in a jab them yesterday You know between every set like he wants to play and sit around and talk and goofing like that's just not me Yeah, like when I'm in shock to me. Yeah when I'm in train mode like I'm like Focusing on my breathing in between. I'm like trying to get my heart rate back down focusing on my next set I'm already back up telling myself. Okay. What I want to do right here on this next one Do I want to increase my weight? Do I want to stay the same like I'm thinking all It was fun.  I'm happy that I can bring that kind of value to them. You know, it was fun We had the music going on everybody was working out We were working out. Hey, we should take our shirt off. Let's do this.  Give me four weeks. Well, that's what I told my shirt. Well, I'm not I said that's not gonna motivate me I'm feeling myself right now. Maybe what I'm feeling myself. I'm walking around naked. I'll be doing the shirtless workouts in about four weeks The wife beater comes first. Oh, yeah That's what it is.   Oh, yeah. Oh really? I haven't seen you work on All time yeah, you're uh I'm trying.  That's why he's fucked. He's just It is gonna be interesting once I hit like yeah week four week five You know on this this diet to see but I'm gonna give it a fair go like I said manipulating calories Is really my only go to make any idea how many calories you're up right now. Have you started like like yeah So I've gone down significantly obviously because of the transition of not having carbs and having you know the fat and like really being able to bump That's I've been I know that like I've been somewhere around like 2000, you know, maybe a little bit less like 1800 calories like too too low like so I want to get up to like 2500 hard like three thousand. I know it is hard. It's hard So I'm trying to spread it out a little bit more throughout the day And get it in so can I give you some advice?   It's like magic. This show works. Yeah, I use that I definitely want you guys to be completely transparent I mean that's why I shared even like how I played and plan to lay this out is as Competitive as we all are the idea is that people that are the audience that's listening now This is actually this is for the audience. Yeah at the end of the day. We're very we are competitive. It's actually exciting for me I love competing with yeah, dude.    Little things right I'm gonna I'm gonna dig at you and be like oh man You should have got better sleep or that's weird you outweigh me But I can lift more than I just push at him and then his feelings would get hurt And so I keep doing it and then he dropped out of the competition that I'd win But it was a steam like oh come on, dude. Yeah. Yeah, but it's you guys.  What are you guys? What are you guys? Oh? That's a good one. I love winning but yeah, no, I'm I'm just one header at heart Do you know we all are so what we're all competitive people no no doubt But when you think about it like do you think that you love to win more or that you hate to lose more? I? Probably love to win more than I than then then hate to lose You know here's a thing with hating to lose that you have to be younger mind I think well what you do lose hating to lose your you think now you love to win more Yeah, I think so I'm that's what I said to the kid. I'm like. Oh love to win. It's no hesitation.   I should have won like why didn't I win like it? Yeah, don't get me But I think I there's a side to it. I can look at it right away that oh There's opportunity for me to be better and to learn to grow to give you know I'm saying where and I love winning winning so much I don't mind I don't mind losing if I fucking went at it and went hard and then the other person did too and everybody was honest And I lost yeah, I'm okay with that. Here's a deal Here's a problem with hating to lose because I've heard that before and you're right when a lot of people a lot of people that way You're right And when I was like that Taylor and I talked about this one day and when I was younger I thought like that as well and then and then here's a problem with that you ever watch You ever watch a boxing match and you're watching them fight each other And then somebody is kind of clearly in the lead and then they start fighting to not lose Instead of fighting to win or you watch a sport where they're ahead by prevent defense Yeah, and it's just worst thing ever and I get the strategy in the game, but it's also it almost it's almost What's the word it's uh, well it gets rid of the whole the whole spirit of competition You're not in there to not lose.  You're there to win. Think about this when you win A paradigm shattering moment can't happen when you lose a paradigm shattering moment can happen Of course because if you if you're like use your analogy with boxing if you you're a boxer and you've been training or learning training Yeah, right you're training for 16 weeks to get ready for it And you're doing everything you're supposed to do the people that become so devastated when they when they lose That's part of it because their ego because they believed that everything they did was what they were supposed to do Whereas if you looked at it differently where it was like wow, I lost There was an opportunity for me to do something better. Where is that at? I'm looking for that now So so I actually experienced this uh This in when I did brazilian jujitsu. So when I competed or when I trained in brazilian I only competed I want to say three times if i'm not mistaken, but when I trained I trained maybe you know, I started out and I would do like two days a week or three days a week and weight training Was still my priority. I never stopped lifting weights. I loved it But I would do jujitsu like I said two three days a week Then I entered into a tournament and I went in there With this mentality that okay. I know my skills, but I'm also probably going to be the strongest student of my weight class Well, I went in there and I lost I lost my my first match And it motivated me like nothing else after that tournament I started training four and five days a week jujitsu And I scaled back my weight training to the appropriate level if you want to win in a sport Which is probably two or three days a week rather than the everyday thing So now it was supporting my jujitsu versus the other way around I was super motivated and I went into a tournament. It was uh The united gracey invitation. I think in san francisco. This was in 2006 I think and I won and not only did I win nobody scored a single point on me I blew the I blew the the doors off of everybody right lost my motivation after that after that tournament I went back to training and it was the same and it's because I didn't learn anything Like the loss is what taught me.  I'll be very disappointed if I lose, but at the end of it I'll be like, okay. Well, that's I did everything and I lost. What can I do differently next time? That's how I see it when you're going into shifting into like the prevent type of mentality, right? Like you're just get you get into this sort of fear-based like it's where I understand that analogy. What prevent defense like he understands that You're ahead in points and you're just all you're trying to do is just stop them from scoring Right. Yeah, okay. Well, it doesn't feel as good to win with that mentality because I mean What you're doing now is you're shifting from what your like original mindset was I'm gonna win and then just winning you're applying this strategy. That's a little bit more You know, you're using offense. You're using more aggression and you're really pressing the other team versus now We're sort of, you know pulling back and managing And for me that like I've always just tried to maintain as much as possible that that that win And so if I lose I just know that at least I kept Uh, you know that same sort of motivation and that energy going in that direction because that's like I want to keep that sort of mentality because it feels I know the feeling on the other side of that mentality versus You know being paranoid. I'm gonna lose so years ago. They did this big Study or this poll and they've repeated it a couple times where they ask groups of people and they say Would you rather have the whole world? Dramatically increase their prosperity But america be the second most prosperous country Or would you rather have the whole world dramatically reduce in prosperity? So now there's a lot more poverty and things are a lot worse But america's number one and most people said they'd rather have the second one where america's number one But everything's shittier and that is a fucked up.  Yeah, that's a very jealous This is why you get so many you'll you'll get people who are scarcity minds. Well, they'll just be like look, you know Forget the fact that everybody's doing better. I'm just mad that the people over here are doing Bettering comparison to how they did better than I am even though I've also done better That makes me mad because they're doing so much better and I'm only doing this much better That's a it's a scarcity mindset.  Right, right I mean a little a business tip on I think something that we we did in our space that you just don't see a lot of is people that Have like a a business like ours, right? I mean, we just had jordan shallow in here jordan shallow Come it gets access to our our private forum And it's a way that we can give give to our forum, right? So our forum gets access to this brilliant mind who comes on there and answers questions for an hour, right? How cool is that now most people won't do this? And they wouldn't do this as a business because they're afraid that well, guess what jordan sells online programs and offers coaching and has his own podcast To take our people he would take our people And he's a very smart guy smarter than I am for sure Especially when it comes to biomechanics and fitness, right? I mean, that's a brilliant mind So most people in our space Would never it's like allowing the wolf in the inside the Inside the chicken den or whatever, right? So that's what Most people look at look at their their business that way and it's a scarcity mindset I've never operated. I've never none of us have which is why we all encourage those things And it's it's actually what's helped us grow is that we have that Mindset that listen if this guy can come in and he can provide more value to others lives more than what I could I I don't care if they go out somewhere else because you know what I what I know is that person Will end up sharing with other people like man I love mine pump mine pump introduced me to jordan shallow and benefits everybody Right, even if you're going off and spending your money with jordan shallow and not with mine pump It's still I still see it as a win and the overall the overall and it is nothing's more disappointing to me Then it's happened twice now twice since we've started this this business Where nothing's more disappointing than seeing someone with lots of potential and talent Like a tremendous amount of potential And you and we identify it, you know, I'll see this person like oh this person It's got good information a lot of talent. They could really grow Uh, all they would need is a little bit of our help Yeah, but what's in it for me and then I go talk to them And then their response is well, okay. Well, how much are you gonna pay me or I don't know You know, I don't know if I can make the time for that because this and that maybe you guys can reimburse me for this I gotta drive 45 minutes. Yeah, or whatever.  We are introducing you to a massive audience. We're we're producing all this media our job and goal Literally, we're not making any money off you.   It's not like a competitive thing like just You know trust us well, I I remember I remember this when you know being a trainer and then being a manager of trainers And it reminds me the same feeling of you know me allowing my trainers to you know train my clients too And people just did not understand that they just thought that was so crazy And I'm sure in my entire career.  I let somebody who I'm the doing something on the boss Right. I'm supposed to be better than you are You train my client and now they want to train with you like whoa What a great growth opportunity for me like that I like someone that is Working for me could actually win over a client of mine that I established the first relationship with I look at our business the same way if Jordan shallow came in and spoke to our audience or anybody for that matter I'm just using his example because he was here this morning You know if someone comes in and they take and our whole audience leaves to them Well, wow, there's a lot of there's a lot of self-reflection right There's a lot of shit that we need to work I mean is it if you're a true because a lot of people say like I'm a competitor I like to compete And no that's not sometimes that's not true. They think that's what that's what they are But they're really not because a true competitor is this a true competitor is somebody that wants to compete against someone When they are at their absolute best and I don't mean myself like yes when I compete I want to be at my best, but I want my opponent to be at their absolute best And then if I beat them then I won I don't want to enter. I don't want to enter into a race Let's say I'm let's say I'm a you know a sprinter and now I'm entering into this competition And I know my my my competition is you know adam right? Let's say adam is another good sprinter and everybody's saying Oh, you know, it's gonna be you know touchy. Let's see.  No, I didn't get a chance to compete against him I compete against a dude who hurt his ankle I want to compete against people when they're at their absolute best so I can test my best Against their best and then that is a win. And if I lose at that I'm okay with that if I win because the other competition is Fucked or because I gave them the wrong information.  I don't nobody ever wins everything. It just doesn't work that way Well, talk about winning. I'm gonna make a transition over into sports because I just read this this morning And I thought this was crazy, dude So, uh, you know who Ronaldo is the soccer player, you know, he just got traded to another team I don't know if you guys know. Okay, so he just recently I can't believe you're watching soccer No, I'm not I'm not I'm trying to redo. I'm trying to redeem myself for all the people hating me about soccer right now.  Let's see what tough you are. It's like an age old thing I mean we had we had to share the field a little bit with seeing soccer players and we would always measure it based off of who was was in You know the sports medicine Like getting treatment like before and after like it was all soccer players It was like two football guys in there Like what what are you guys doing? They're getting hurt so often.  It's amazing bro. It's the only sport. I know up where Hooligans only sport with every game.    Well all the and I don't I think it still is you know that is no Okay, so when everybody gets like pushed into like a fence and oh And he gets smashed. Yeah, like soccer players died from that bro. Soccer players are crazy.  I know it was just like 20 30 years like that So that probably is why someone got killed had nothing to do with yeah, it's probably Yeah, it was it was a bat. Yeah 100 percent.  Yeah in columbia, bro. That's still that that's all run by all the cartel Dude for sure. Columbia drugs. Yeah 100 percent. But anyways, uh, so ronaldo is uh goes to another team Yesterday t-shirt sales for jersey sales the team made 62 million dollars.  Well, he's one of the most popular ones. There is well He's the most popular athlete in the world by far. Yeah. Yeah. He's the most popular. You know what it is Well, first of all, but I mean 62 million you're business by acquiring this guy. That's insane.  They have a world cup Where countries play against other countries and people have a lot of national pride pride, right? So you can see exactly it is so it's like the olympics, but way way way, you know Way more passion. It's all directed into one thing instead of like all kinds of different sports And then because you know over three billion people in the fans in the of soccer fans in the world and billions of people play it You have a lot like the poorest communities in the world Just so you know this is what the statement you're making the argument you're making right now This is part of my belief of why a basketball and football could catch up to it Is because they're right now we dominate here Well, if if if soccer was dominated by one country and just fucked everybody up all the time for forever It wouldn't be as popular But it's because there's actually all these other countries actually have a legitimate chance because they have great players too When you start seeing like a an MBA Association in in europe and that is competitive and we can play world We can do like a world league or like the olympics become more competitive once they catch up I could see super competitive. I could see football growing right now They all fly here. They all come over here from other states to play here because they're paid better Yes, and the league is better. And so we're we're plucking all the players that are ever other. Yeah, I get that But here's I keep saying this you guys this is a real internet. It's gonna change. No, this is a legitimate. This is a legitimate Fact is that football is expensive and expensive sports have it's not they don't have a lot of access That's a weird fact you use it's a very true one Look, it's not whether it's true or not.  Okay. Who cares? So let's just take football out of it basketball catch up to soccer I could I don't think it'll catch up, but I don't think it'll catch up I think I think it has a long way to go to catch up. Oh my god.  Here's the deal. Here's the deal bad. Here's and this makes this actually Is an important fact that taking consideration you go to the poorest villages in Africa You go to poorer areas of South America Kids can play soccer with a rudimentary Ball and they don't need anything else. They play in the dirt. They play in the streets Most kids growing up in a lot of these countries Play soccer in the streets, bro. You can play.  So you're right, but not over there. So it's it's totally different So you've got all these and here's the other reason why there's no crate. I mean you got a hoop right there Sure, I you got to have a milk crate and I'm not I'm not saying this to be funny Like yeah, I know but you got to have a net, you know or something nothing Yeah, you put a little rocks up some of these kids some of these kids will We'll go to they'll go to dumpsters and find rubber bands and make these little you could argue that that soccer is It's a factor the the cheapest and that I don't but I don't think that's enough to Keep it as the most dominant. It's why it's spread. It's the it's the reason why soccer spreads so fast Okay, okay, that's why it exploded. Okay.  Man, that's just I don't know how that's going to be overtaken I just I just don't see it. Yeah, I don't know maybe maybe You gotta say me I'm scared to travel to europe with you or anything I know I just remember one of us I mean, it's it's a fun debate.  I played for seven years. I knew hey I'm a fan. Did you guys know? Did you guys know this? This is well? No, it's not. No No, that's it. That was a myth. Yeah. Did you sign Joe Rogan's? Did you see yeah? Okay, sign is a white power symbol. Did you see all the controversy? It stirred up though. Did you did you see Joe Rogan's post?  Yeah, because I mean even this when you hold it down is like that's a game where it's like Yeah, if you look at oh now I get to slug you yeah, like that was all that was no what it means something Here's how it started it was on the 4chan website and there were and so 4chan and reddit have many times started these Controversies on purpose to see what they can do and so one of these was these guys said hey Let's make everybody think that the okay symbol is white power So they put out this false story and then shit just spreads on and if it's anything to do with racism or whatever Or conspiracy like that it's gonna spread and so you have a bunch of people Saying don't make that symbol.  Dude. The okay symbol's been around for I don't know how many hundreds of years right, you know, that's absolutely I think that's the point that joe was trying to make is that's how hilarious is that it's something that was made up But we we live in this such a charged era now where someone says something looking for something right real quick Oh my god, I can't believe you did that. Oh, look, he's doing the okay symbol in that picture from 1975 I knew he was kill him. Yeah, they're it's like you put easy. He put bill Cosby out there calm down Not necessarily the best example Did you uh, so there's another one had me rolling last night There was another one that a group on reddit did so there was a group of people on reddit who were Just anti lgbt, right?     Same thing with the okay symbol It's it's an interesting era of of cyber warfare though. That's what that is. Yeah where you can spread You know a myth or whatever or something that's false And then it starts to get legs on its own and then before you know it people believe that You know, I don't know obama, you know was he was he was born in somewhere else and he's a muslim or you know These types of things just build get legs people start to believe it But it's all bullshit. It's a whole new era Well, there's a good old saying that I remember of some wise man He's telling me believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear I swear it's so true It's absolutely half the things you see you perceive differently and there's more going on Which then meets the eye and then half most of what you hear is you can barely even trust your own memories. Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean the way I look at it is just leave people themselves. Let them take care of themselves and that's it Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, don't hurt anybody don't steal and then you're done Anyway, this will be a good contest general. Well, we're excited. We're heading over now to go get the dunk We're going to head over to uh, the neutral shop at uh, Bernal I wanted to schedule the uh, we were going to have a truck come here and they're going to hydrostatic way But yeah, so what we're going to do is like it's just it was just going to postpone this too long Everybody wants to get going and yeah, we'll just do it this way. And so we're going to head down there So we should all take pictures too unless you want to take your own Uh, you know, so like shirt off front side back or what? Yeah, I think we could we can do that I think that everybody should be responsible for that and that would be something that we share at the very reveal Everything at the end the beginning and the after I will just have to have our audience trust the like today We do that. Yeah. Yeah today at some point today.  She's so mad at me You don't look like this like I did that day I'll share I'll even share like my you know my You know manscaping and tanning strategies leading into the the final picture. Are you going to do all that? See that's where you have the advantage. That's a secret sauce. Yeah, nobody else is doing that. Hey, whatever You know I'm saying like you have you can you can do it too. It's not something you can't do I plan on being super orange at the end. Yeah. I'll do the spray tan on Justin. Yeah. Oh, I am going to do the bpc 157 I am going to try that. I don't know if that's going to benefit me Well, you're using it for your gut, right? That's all right. I want to see if it helps my gut Yeah, I want to see because you're supposed to and now you know what I read I read online that people will eat it will actually squirt it in their mouth for gut health Doesn't make any sense to me. I feel like your gut would destroy it Right. But that's what I read. I'm still going to do. I'm still going to do the injection thing So I'm going to need your help. Okay to doing that.  I do want to mention Uh, we did write a new guide a new free guide The top three most important things you could do to burn body fat It's a perfect time to release it right along with our competition. Yep. You go to mind pump free Dot com. So that's mind pump free dot com You can get the guide if you scroll the very bottom. It's the last one. 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The most memorable aspect of the 49th Wing was actually the Airmen, the engagements I had with them and actually how well-fought-out their engagements were. They're very well aware of what's going on at multiple levels of things in the Air Force and that's encouraging. It really inspires me to make sure that we are doing our very best to support them from here. If they're paying attention at, you know, things that are going on at the match-com level, we better be paying attention to what's going on at the wing level. I'd just like to say thanks to all the Airmen, men and women and families and civilian Airmen here at the 49th Wing. We really value what you do. You do make a difference and you're, as I said, we're producing Airmen.  It's about the team, right? It's not about each of us. It's not about the I. It's really about the we. So keep doing your part and contributing and stepping in and offering the goodness that you bring and the skills that you bring, but do it for the betterment of the entire enterprise. In their case, the entire wing and that will spread the goodness and increase our capability across the Air Force.