rom the uh deck because you're building that that stairway off of the deck to the that area what are you going to do to keep it from becoming a parking space i don't think the intent is to do it to do anything with it um so it then becomes i mean if the board if the board has a preference i mean we can certainly you know add a condition we we didn't hadn't considered it really quite frankly well if it's something we need to consider because if you're saying you have four parking spaces and you actually have five then that's different than what your well regardless in your management plan or well well no because regardless of of what's physically there on the ground um we are only permitting four spaces so each unit will only be entitled under the lease to two cars per unit um and that's something that's just gonna you know we'll have to be enforced via the you know property management the resident manager okay well can we make that a condition then uh that it be sure that it is not a parking space and that it uh needs to be managed that it uh the parking is not permitted there because otherwise i mean it's there it's somebody's going to park there um it's as i mentioned it's certainly it's not a concern for us but if it's a concern for the board we're certainly you know open to it okay then on on p1 uh which it is existing for plans on the basement plan on the south side uh it shows a window toward the west area which is to remain uh with the changes but it does not show the small window that's further toward the east side i'm looking at this sorry keep can you say uh can you repeat that so i can pull it up p1 that's p2 basement yeah so you have a window on the south side of the building you have a a window uh toward the west which is to remain but there's a window toward the east which is not indicated on the plan um i will let josh speak to uh to that window in the plans okay um so i'm i'm not following exactly which window doesn't exist is it this one no no this let me do this again oh sorry yeah the south side of the building toward the west is this window that is to remain when the door egress is put in but there is a small window which i observed when we were there that is on the eastern part of the south side outside of its bedroom well it's seven there aren't eight bedrooms there now there are only six so that would be i don't know three four five bedroom five i guess uh but it's listed as bedroom seven that's incorrect uh so that window isn't indicated on this plan nor is it indicated on p2 which is the uh floor plans uh for the uh renovations i don't i isn't it there i don't think there's a window over there i have some pictures i saw it and josh do you want to pull up the picture so we can actually see which you know so you can physically see which window we're talking about because i know we do have part of the reason i'm talking about this because we weren't able to go inside so right we couldn't really get a full understanding of what that inside the inside of that building is especially the basement so i need to know what that window is and i mean you're right um i have a picture and that i'm looking at there is a window in that bedroom it's a small basement window uh that was probably there originally it would just be used for well my understanding would be that's the window that does not provide egress so that that's why you need to put the door in on the south side anyway i don't believe that needs that needs to be on the floor plan and it needs on p1 it needs to be indicated on p2 if it's being removed that needs to be indicated as well or if it's remaining that needs your um josh just so i'm is that where the the new egress is going i'm just curious if we can go back to that picture i mean we should we should update the plan i'm just uh give me a second um just give me a second uh because it's in my email um oops wrong sorry give me a moment so uh this is nothing's rotated so bear with me so why don't this is something that i think we can probably resolve by having a plan that accurately reflects the plan yeah we don't i don't think we need to discuss this here why don't we have why don't we that is part of what we need is we need site plans we'll need an actual floor plan we'll need the what the changes that Keith that mr. Langsdale represented we need to have that and that will help us to make a decision right and and the elliptical of course updated as well yep right is that satisfactory is that satisfactory mr. Langsdale yeah for that that's that's fun yep okay now the other thing is they're asking for a waiver of lighting plan there are now uh three areas that have lights on them uh the the west side which is the front door there's a light there that's a carriage style light on the north side there are two spotlights um on the east rear elevation there is a light fixture above uh on the it's attached to the upper part the the first floor yeah above the concrete and it's it's i don't know what it is but it's upside down um then there is the light proposed for the new egress so that'll be four place four light areas all of which need to be uh dark sky compliant so so the light will include the light in the east rear elevation right now is would be at least as far as i could tell because once again we didn't have full uh access but as far as i can tell the light that's there now would be somewhere close to the floor of the deck so it has to be moved for one correct but it has to be dark sky compliant and just just so i'm clear um because obviously our intent had only been to replace oh i'm sorry if if you're you're coming out so i wasn't sure if you were done or not key yeah well all i'm saying is that because of that because you're applying for a special permit to make these changes part of that has to be a lighting plot and we have to not only see where they're going to go but what they are what your proposal is for those light changes sure so i i know i'm more than happy to provide the board with uh with fixture cut sheets um you know we can certainly just you know pick the lights that we choose to use um and provide that to the board i think what um a few things one um i think originally our intent had had been obviously not to to change the lights that were already in existence there but if if the board's uh position is that all the lights need to be made dark sky compliant we're more than happy to do that uh and we're happy to provide you with the fixture cut sheets um we can do that you know we can sit down this week and pick some lights um the i guess my when i request the waiver i guess specifically my concern is um you know i'm more than happy to show you where on the buildings those respective lights would go i think uh by weighing of requesting the the waiver specifically what we were looking for is a waiver submitting the the photometric light plan and the you know the whole the nine yards so i mean we're more than happy to provide fixture cut sheets as well as show the elevations with where the you know those lights would be i think the the intent behind the waiver was was more of the to avoid the larger scale analysis plan all projects right well i we can certainly make that a condition of the of anything with the special permit okay um so are there any other questions from the board members what i'd like to do is is wrap up board member questions any responses opens up to the public if there's any and then again uh since we're getting on nine o'clock which is time when we typically wanted to stop this um we have in the past nine it's been the uh ending hour um we do have one we can see if we can get to our rules and regs quickly if not we'll we'll suspend those as well but i'd like to suspend this uh continue it on to next week with the the information that we need to get from the applicant just at a at a meeting and not at a hearing go ahead marina just real quick i dave with skeptics has a comment if you don't mind yeah actually a couple of questions um in mostly in regards to that parking space that keith was talking about where's the trash going to go i don't know if that's been discussed and then when that deck goes in place um people will need a pathway around it to get up to the parking lot and since we don't have a site plan i don't know where that is what that path or that elevations like the uh the incline if there is any um also lighting because that deck is going to cast a shadow you light above the deck you light below the deck but you're not going to have anything towards the stairs in that area so do we need a lamp post or is that would that light that's maybe on that uh north side be enough i don't know so um that's just some of the things i was thinking about and then real quick i had one more to echo off of dave is i did see where the trash is it is in the sort of fifth parking spot if you will stop calling it the parking spot yeah right stop the parking spot i do have photos it does not look um it does not look uh enclosed and i um that might be something that the applicant might want to just want to consider what we want to think want to think about and we and we might be able to tie those two those two things together the the parking issue with the with the trash receptacles so um just to eliminate the concern there um because it clearly it is a concern um so noted um and we will we'll certainly update um you know the lighting in the site plans accordingly okay may i step in a second one last yes mr langfield given this picture that's up right now that marina has put up you have there four trash receptacles and two bicycles so instead of a parking area for a car why don't you put a bike rack there along with uh an enclosure for these receptacles and that way you'll you'll have uh if any of your tenants well obviously some of them ride bicycles you'd have a place for their bicycles to be stored definitely not a bad idea i and i will speak with uh with with lc um about potential solutions for that that spot because that is a good one okay are there any other questions i guess um mr axel i guess i just want to know with um you know just you know the the fifth parking spot that we're no longer referring to it as the the place formerly known as the fifth parking spot um before we we we have these guys come back with any sort of plan is it that we want it mandated in what they're bringing back that it's specifically not going to be used as a parking lot because i know they're required to have four they have four and if they have more space where let's say i don't know it's one of the tenants birthdays and they're gonna have a bunch of people come in and park and blocking people in like are they going to be do we want to put any type of stipulation where they'd be in quite violation and not not to cut you off quite frankly we're not concerned about the parking because as it was mentioned there's there's more than adequate on-street parking um you know particularly where this is the last house on the street and there's the entire you know drainage basin lot leading up to route nine that's totally you know empty street as well so i mean if if the concern is is with people utilizing as a spot i mean from a parking standpoint if the if there are guests you know we feel that there's adequate space um you know in and around the location um to you know adequately meet any of those needs okay yeah i just i bring this up because my my concern is i don't feel we should be more burdensome than we need to be if it's not necessary for us to put a stipulation on what that spot is used for because we know we're not it's not zone specifically for parking um they have the four spots that that meet our criteria so i just don't know if it's that's something we really want to to push on or not or if it would just be better to just kind of let it i think but i think in this case we should let the the applicant come back to us with what they want but they want and then we can review that and see if it meets our um meets our requirements but i understand the point you're making there's no reason to deny them an additional parking spot if they really want one on their land a fifth parking spot as i mentioned we're not we're not concerned but there are you know the trash should be screened so those are things that we will have to address so all right good enough good point any other if there are no other questions from members of the board um marina is there anybody from the public that um is attending that wants to make a point if there is anybody from the public grab raise your hand or indicate that you wish to speak to this i see no hands being raised i see no hands so um what i'd like to do is to um continue this meeting until the july 9th and at that time ask the applicant to come back with a full site plan come back with the um the lighting cut sheets come back with a plan for the site plan should also incorporate what you want to do with the um enclosure and if you want to add a bike rack or not or however you want to deal with that formula what's the place formerly notice parking spot five and also to have your plan reflect the actual work to be done both in cheer on the interior and the exterior so that would be um what i i think those would be the requirement that are the requirements that i think we should you should have for um next meeting and with that i would move that we continue this um hearing until july 9th is there a second second is there any discussion on that motion all and if not um roll call vote i vote i i miss parks how do you vote i mr maxfield how do you vote i mr langsdale hi mr omira miss miss omira you're you're muted miss omira can you unmute me maureen oh we heard you just say i hi all right motion passes we will continue this until july 9th thank you very much thank you all very much have a good night thank you um thank you normally we like to close these off to members of the board i want to say normally like we like to close these off at nine o'clock at night um that's a long time we're in it's uh this was a particularly um detailed um meeting i would like to get people's impression if they have a lot of questions about the rules and regulations we can go over them we have johnson with john witton on the line with this he's an attorney that's helped draft this i have reviewed these i have looked at the changes um they are i think they are minor except for the large change in adding the all the procedures for the comprehensive permit but um if people have a lot of if they'd want to discuss this and want to spend an hour on this i would suggest we move this to another date but if you don't have a lot of questions if you aren't if this isn't something that you think we need to discuss uh and you'd like to approve these rules and regulations that's would that would be my preference and we can ask john to do a very very brief um um summary of the of the significant changes in the rules and go from there so first of all i'd like to get a sense of the board and if we we're going to wait a long it's going to be a long meeting then we'll postpone it if it's going to be a short meeting i'd like to have him uh go through the the summary mr mr maxfield i um i mean my personal preference is i uh i've read through it i haven't gotten as much of the chance to go through it as thoroughly as i would have liked to um so before we even get started if other people are feeling maybe we want to postpone this before we get into a big discussion about it um i'm in favor of that being said i know we have john witton here and if we have to then make him come back another day and we just want to go through it i could go either way but if it's not difficult to postpone it that would be my preference if it is i'm still ready to move forward on it nonetheless i mean my preference would be to let's so you don't you would like to have more information but you don't know that you have a lot of concerns at this point because you need more information that's okay all right um any other any of the board members have concerns grade concerns about the regulation rules and regulations as submitted to you last week so i think we'll take barring that i think we'll take the opportunity for john witton to go through briefly the the changes and then there are there's one item i'd like to discuss at the end of this in the comprehensive permit but there's not much else that i think needs to be um that i need to address i think john can address the major changes thank you mr chairman i'm on my cell phone can everyone hear me okay can you hear me okay mr chairman yes we can okay great thank you good evening everyone so the um the most significant changes to this really second round of proposed changes is to strengthen the regulations so that the board can require the submission of materials that the board needs to review a comprehensive permit so that the board can be clear to the applicant what the requirements are for waivers and so that the board can make clear to the applicant what's required in terms of the pro forma review there's a lot more detail in the draft regs than that but those are really kind of the macro concerns that i believe the draft addresses uh plan requirements filing requirements issues relating to waivers and then issues relating to the pro forma um you know on a scale of one to ten ten being very aggressive one being not aggressive at all the draft regs are right in the middle i think they're five or six they're consistent with regs from across the commonwealth they are a big step forward i think to the regs that you currently have um and in terms of really laying out the framework for what an applicant needs to do for filing with the board of appeals so mr chairman i you know i know the hour is late and i know the board's been at this since six o'clock so i let me stop there and i can address any specific questions that you might have um however you'd like to proceed well uh john why don't i do this i will run through what i see or sort of procedural changes as to how the board itself operates and they're minor but i think that would be important to advise the board about and then to the extent that people want to talk about the um the public interface the and the the biggest places in the conference of permit um we can talk about that as well but i i think it's just important to go through the the way the board operates itself there's only a couple of changes a few changes the first is we delete the requirement that there's a majority vote a unanimous vote needed to uh for plans signs and other items as a condition of a public meet as a condition of a special permit at a public meeting and we just make it a four vote majority in effect i think this was a a carryover from when we had a three-member board there's it seems to me that since we use a four vote majority to make a decision on a on a special permit i don't know why we need to have a the unanimous vote to approve signs and other items which are set as a condition of a special permit a special permit i think a four vote is consistent with other other things um mr chair if you don't mind um clarifying what section uh where that is what page oh my goodness you are um i i have just found it um so people um referring to it i'm not working you know marina i'm not working off the one you sent because i i have not used um track changes for about 15 10 years and it's so much it's so different yeah i can't really figure out okay all right well we'll try your best uh we'll try uh the best so what he's referring to is on page three the last the last line of page three yeah that's on this one too it's the last line of page three a board may see clarifying information from the public if it's necessary and we delete the unanimous vote of all members of the board is necessary for approval of signs and other items required by condition attached to the existing permit that's the first one um we make the same same change we go from a unit this one i'll try to give you the page marina on page this one deals with the um approval of an extension of an extension request so an applicant has submitted an extension request i think that's is that on page seven it's on page seven correct on page seven an applicant go ahead marina oh just under the section that's that's entitled extension can you hear me now yes okay my we've even gone through my earphones no it's gone it's a long time um so what we've done here is is if an applicant has extended extended an written agreement to um extend the the approval asked for asked for an extension request i see no reason why that has to be a majority a unanimous vote a four-member vote seems to make sense again which is what we take for everything it's no reason that we require a super majority because an applicant and we agree wants to extend a application um another change on how the board operates is we have inserted language that requires that any material that is considered non that material that is substantive a change before meeting any material that would reflecting a change in plans reflecting a change in in any material change in the application be permit be submitted to the board seven days before the meeting so that we're not caught in the situation where we were getting stuff at the last minute and things like site plans or management plans or lighting plans are submitted the last day and i think that we should i think seven days gives us time in the staff time to look at it review it and for us to consider it i do for it does provide that we can deem these to be non-material and that's at the chairman's that the chairman's judgment but so i i don't want to have something little i don't want to hold up a permit but i think for something material to the application we should have seven days of noticing and to view the property view the material and those are the major changes in how the board operates itself that that are contained in these these rules and ranks any questions or concerns about that from members of the board if not um john do you want to briefly describe it's too long to describe i think the whole comprehensive permit procedures and what we can ask for but i think if you give a an overview of why the requirements are as specific as they are and how that helps not only us but it helps the applicants to know what the comprehensive permit what could be required everything that's on this on the the conference permit procedures is something we could do without this we can this is all within our power currently what we've done here is is you know codified what i think this is right and correct me if i'm wrong john we can quote we've we've quote um codified what we want to have from the the applicant and what our what our rights are as a board to ask for information that that's absolutely right mr chairman in the thing about the conference of permit process is most of the time the applications are very preliminary more often than not incomplete and the board really has its back against the wall from the get go so the these draft regs put the applicant on notice that these are the minimum requirements that the board needs to adjudicate the conference of permit they're not onerous they're consistent with your normative special permit filing requirements or planning board filing requirements but they're specific and they go into some level of detail as the chair says yes you could require these things anyway case by case but it's always better for the applicant and for the public to lay it out it's part of a regulatory process here's what needs to be filed from day one so you're not stuck asking for things six months or six weeks into a project so the filing requirements are pretty standard i don't consider the draft overly aggressive the board will be very specific on different cases a rental project for example versus a for sale project big versus small but i do think you want to have details in the application requirements and that's what the draft does i would open it up to questions or to a sense of the board um if you have specific questions about any of the either the operational or the comprehensive permit changes please raise them now or the sense of the board is that you really want to spend more time on this and spend uh and move it to another meeting we can do that as well but mr chair uh christine brestrup the planning director is indicating she has a comment go ahead christine thank you mr chair i just have a comment on page 14 the beginning of the comprehensive permit description under introduction and i objected to the language in the first line of that of the second paragraph there so page 14 is this the right page is this the page you're looking at christ no page 19 oh 19 yeah article four additional rules and regulations for governing the filing of applications for comprehensive permit there you go that um think language so i think um taking out the words comprehensive permit would solve my objection the thing is that i i am reluctant to say that the town encourages comprehensive permit applications so if we took out the words comprehensive permit and just left the town encourages applications for housing or mixed use developments that serve low moderate and middle income households i would be happy with that but i'm a little nervous about saying that the town encourages comprehensive permit applications even though i know that the intent of the language here is to say we encourage applications for housing and mixed use that serve low and moderate income but i don't want to encourage a lot of comprehensive permit applications to come here come to us so that would be my suggestion i think that's good suggestion christine miss rest of the suggestion there's also another um there's another question that we have that we that we want to have for board discussion and john this is one at the end of it's on page 27 i think it's the one where the board shall upon separate motion and seconded prior vote approve of any non-residential or structure within a comprehensive permit application prior form and vote of no fewer than four members so so this you know i think would be helpful is explain the situation of this that this applies to we have a oh i'm sorry this is this is not the one i'm is this the one that deals with um yes this is the one with non-residential use yeah explain the situation we're facing here so the comprehensive permit statute deals with housing and only housing when the regulations were revised about 10 years ago 12 years ago they included a provision that allows a comprehensive permit to be issued that included non-residential use the regs say that the non-residential use has to be ancillary to the residential use but of course that is a very subjective statement so i suggested this language for the board's consideration that if the board wanted to allow a non-residential component within a comprehensive permit that it would do so but the quantum of vote would be higher just to provide the town slightly greater protection because while a comprehensive permit clearly is going to need waivers from zoning none of us ever expected that that would include a non-residential component a retail store for example so my suggestion here is if the board wanted to include 6.10 that you would include it with a higher level of or a higher quantum of vote requirement and that's that's really all you don't have to do that right now it's a majority vote of the board so three out of five this would make it four out of five more like a special permit and my only support for that is because it's so extraordinary to consider that a comprehensive permit not only is asking for waivers from zoning density for residential use but could also allow a board of appeals to grant or retail use within you know mixed use within the the residential use so that that's really the theory and no nothing more than that and john is this only in the case of a non-residential use in an area where there can be a non-residential use without already without a special permit being necessary yeah this is the case where non-residential uses could be approved by without a special permit by right yes right and we would be saying non-residential uses in this district need a four-person vote of the board in order to permit it is that correct correct is part of a comprehensive permit that's part of a comprehensive permit and in addition a comprehensive permit is three for approval takes three votes not four votes by state law correct that's correct that's correct so this is a again a super majority for something that in my opinion a super majority for something that is otherwise provided for by right and that is the and i'm wondering i'd like to throw that open to the board for their for their discussion my my inclination is to not have this section in there but i would like to throw it open to the board because non-residential uses sometimes will be controversial we may want to have a higher standard okay i i guess i'm a little confused uh this section that uh mr witton has proposed to put in with the no fewer than four voting members that gives us more control right it does it it gives no are you saying that you don't think this should be in there well i'm saying that this only applies in a case where non-residential use is already allowed by right and it seems odd to me that we are going to we are going to condition a non-residential use in a comprehensive permit by a super majority vote of the board when it is something that could be done without having any any kind of permit at all and that seems to me to be i don't understand the the theory behind that and that's why mr let me know it's a very fair question let me let me just take this a step further so yes it's true i could build this non-residential structure and use today by virtue of just getting a building permit but in this context under 6.10 it would be part of a comprehensive permit where i come to the board for let's say 100 dwelling units and on the ground floor i'm going to have 3000 square feet of retail space i could get that retail space by right but i can't get the comprehensive permit by right so when i want to mix these two uses 6.10 would come into play it is true that i could apply for the retail use today and then three months later apply for a comprehensive permit around it but that's unlikely to happen we don't typically see that kind of segmentation so the the reason for kind of raising the bar is because i am coupling two uses that one allowed by zoning but the other at least in terms of density not allowed by zoning so it gives the board of appeals kind of a superintendency over the whole thing that that that's really the purpose Mr. Chair uh Ms. Brestrup has a comment Ms. Brestrup so the reason that you might want to support this is because there might be something about the non-residential use that requires a waiver so say they wanted to um you know have more lot coverage or they wanted to have less of a setback or you know if the if the non-residential use is on the ground floor of a building that's not complying with the denser the the dimensional requirements you might want to have the ability to have four members voting to allow that to occur because even though the use is allowed in the district it could be that there's an aspect of the waivers that you want to be particularly careful about so i just wanted to point that out uh and Mr. Mr. Barrack yeah uh i i think i agree with with john witton's suggestion i take it that the purpose of section 40b is to encourage affordable housing and if you're including retail space in it that's whatever whether or not it's desirable it's not affordable housing and it seems to me reasonable to require a somewhat higher standard for creating the mixed project than it is for creating the housing that's the purpose of section 40b i think the context that chris that ms Brestrup and mr witton have provided it um changes my thought here a little bit i did not i hadn't thought of it in that way and i just saw it as a limitation on something that would be otherwise permitted but i see this gives us the ability to leverage the comprehensive permit in a way that we otherwise couldn't as a board and i think that does make some sense um and i think your point mr barrack is a good one as well so um i remove my objection to this um and i'm i remove my motion to to delete this section and allow it i would suggest it stays is there any discussion on this section um you did have a ms Brestrup you made a suggestion to move to remove two words and we didn't vote on that but i think that i would move that we accept your deletion of those two words of a comprehensive permit early on and change that um i think we need a as all we need to roll call vote for all this stuff so um from this rest steps motion to delete the words comprehensive permit in the introduction second paragraph introduction of the comprehensive permit section um i would move that is there a second second all those um is there any just for the discussion i'm sorry i just um what was the exact rationale why we wanted to remove that it's because we we just don't want to encourage necessarily comprehensive permits as a way of achieving affordable housing is that the reasoning to remove that line correct by all at chris you mean to speak to that yes please speak to that i think we welcome comprehensive permits in town but i don't think we want to advertise it and this sort of advertises it and um comprehensive permits are really you know a difficult um process to get through and there's often a lot of objection by uh residents and i think by stating by stating we encourage comprehensive permit applications even though that's not the entire meaning of the sentence i think makes us sort of vulnerable to people saying well you said you encouraged these applications so so my preference would be leave out the words comprehensive permit and then just say we encourage applications for housing and mixed use development that serve these populations in general and i think that's enough uh enough of a statement i think we i think we as a border and see how involved in time consuming this comprehensive permit process is i have not been through one but i've talked to people that have and we have a lot of work ahead of us and it's a great it's a great tool that should be used but i don't think we have to as i as miss breast up said i don't think we have to advertise it i think we should i think this achieves our goal i have a basic question here yes mr meadows um you've been referring to four votes as being a majority before as as you look at um article one the definition of the board is five regular and four members which is a total of nine which would mean a majority is five so either we have to change that the definition or we have to change the uh indication of majority of what um so you're talking about section one members and officers yes you have five regular and four associate members and then farther down we describe when the when there's a panel there's a panel of five right i'm talking about in that paragraph it indicates that we the majority and majority it doesn't say majority of the regular members well it says the majority vote is required to adopt or approve business matters covered by this section so so mr chairman maybe i could just throw this out it's an excellent question that the a board of appeals consists of no more than no more than five members and so a quorum of five would be three and by statute a variance in a special permit requires a supermajority vote when the board consists of more than three so a majority vote for a five member board which is what you are even though you have associate members they are not considered part of the board in terms of calculating what a quorum or majority would be so you are always a five member body even though you have four associate members so a majority vote of five would be three and then the supermajority vote for a special permit and the variance would be four and when it's a comprehensive permit it is a simple majority or three would there be something in terms of talking about the the pal the sitting members of the board which are five no matter what their associate members are not you could you could it is not it's not ambiguous to me just because of the way the state statute is written 48 section 12 describes the board of appeals so we we know you know it's the technical term associate members we know that they only get to vote or have their vote count when one of the five regular members is not available so you are a five member body you certainly could put in more detail but i don't i don't think you have mr meadows does that answer your question i think so okay any other questions on the rules and regulations mr beric i i hate to bring this up on page three and i can't find the passage on my screen but i can describe what my concern is there's a list in the list of who has which of butters have to be noted notified it says that an invitation should go to other inter that notice should go to other interested parties with other interested parties not otherwise specified and i'm just wondering if that opens us up at some point to to challenging a decision for not having notified someone who considers herself or himself an interested party but john john witton you could probably clarify whether this is worth worrying about yeah no no it's an excellent question so the phrase interested parties could come out i i think that's in your existing regs um so i just left that alone but you're right it is an ambiguity i would take it out i i think the original intent probably was someone provided the board with a notice please let me know when you have a hearing in this matter but it does it's it's not necessary certainly couldn't take it out can you point me to the the paragraph mr john witton yeah section one under article two mr chairman yeah and it's it's the last sentence 2.2 under public hearings and it's shown on the screen if that's helpful yes that is helpful i mean based on what you described we want to just change that language to say and any parties who have formally expressed interest so that way they would have they've come to us and said they're interested rather than retroactively saying hey i was an interested party and you never contact yeah you could you know it's funny that we're having this conversation because in a sense the world has changed you know so so no one no one gets mailed an agenda anymore um the the board under the open meeting law can choose how it wants to post its agendas so i i wonder whether the board really wants to be bound by that full sentence even i hadn't you know i i didn't want to mess with your existing language on that as far as that went but you know now that we're talking about it uh the paragraph we're looking at that morian has on the screen i that first paragraph last sentence i would suggest delete it um the you know the the the board's going to send the the agenda to the town manager and the building commissioner anyways you don't want to be punished if you if you don't so that this paragraph would end after legal holidays yeah um no i would keep the next sentence unless otherwise stated notification is not required and then delete the next sentence the what i'm highlighting or in gray agenda board meetings and hearing right okay yeah the goal here would be to just make it permissive and not require not a requirement exactly exactly accomplish that by deleting it or by changing the nature of the of the sentence to be a purely permissive sentence yeah i i almost think yeah i almost get rid of it yeah i'd get rid of it you don't you know i can't imagine a court entertaining an appeal because someone forgot to send the agenda to the town manager but why leave that open and miss breast up is there any um thing that in terms of a organizational issue that we why we shouldn't delete this i think it's fine to do good let's do that i have i have a suggestion um okay we need a vote on that don't we yeah so it seems that we have three possible votes that maybe we can absorb into one motion because we have to do the roll call so one being this highlighted one the other would be deleting the two words that said comprehensive permit that chris uh spoke about and then do folks want to vote on make a motion on the section regarding uh non-residential uses which was on paging uh non-residential uses that was the one c was talking about that he withdrew the motion on my correct right now i'm gonna go ahead and uh because i believe there's already a motion to remove um remove those two words uh the motion that steve made earlier which was seconded which we're still actually currently discussing i'm going to move to amend that to also include the removal of that last sentence uh that section one public meetings agendas from board meetings and hearings drawn up distance staff so and so forth sentence town manager building commissioner and your party to also remove uh that sentence as well is there a second to his motion to amend second all right for the discussion on that um yeah are there other well we can dispose of your amendment and then continue to amend miss the the original amendment if we want or we can continue on with a third amendment which is not parliamentary procedure but it would it saves us having to make a bunch of votes so um are there other suggested changes that we can incorporate as an amendment to his amendment i'm not hearing any in that in that event then i will move that we we accept mr maxfield's amendment to the amendment um previously to my amendment do i have a second to that second all i vote any for the discussion i vote i miss parts how do you vote i mr maxfield how do you vote i mr langsdale i miss omira i motion passes now we come to the amendment as amended um um oh sorry oh no no no are there any other amendments that to the to the rules and regulations that people want to consider that we can incorporate into one vote if not oh go ahead miss parks i'm sorry i just want to ask a question i'm sorry it's um i just don't know um can i just say something real quick yeah while you're finding so i'm going to go ahead and delete this accept this deletion if you guys see it wait until we finish the amendment because we just amended the amendment we have one we have a final vote of the amendment oh sorry i thought i thought you approved it sorry sorry we're still as we have we have the amendment the amendment as amended before us got it i just have a question okay and that is under time requirements for use of construction i know that there is a time period by which people must commence construction but is there a deadline by which they must finish it once they've started so excellent question and the board is going to most likely want to put that as a condition permit by permit as opposed to having in your legs i'll tell you just just because it's such an important question and because you have a hearing coming up when a permit is about to lapse the applicants will come in and ask for continuation so the the board can impose a deadline but it 99% of the time is going to get at least petition to be revised so i don't think you need to put it in in the regs uh what marina's showing is that is for uh i think that's for a special permit marina isn't it yeah probably for 48 yeah so it'll be it'll be permit by permit on the conference of permit the statute or the regs take three years but you're gonna want to deal with that case by case okay and i guess i was just thinking about someone who starts a project but doesn't finish it yeah yeah and that's not uncommon and you know certainly that's what we just saw happen starting you know from february to march so the the when the board reviews the conference of permit they'll be bonding or performance guarantee requirements uh they'll be sure any requirements as part of that but yeah you do want to worry about a project that gets halfway completed and then the felfer either goes bankrupt or leaves town um and that's typically done through surety and as a follow-up to that uh tammy um often the board will make it a condition of the special permit for instance that you know from the issuance of the building permit the construction needs to be completed within 24 months or something like that and if not then the applicant needs to come back to a public meeting to um to uh either a public meeting or a public hearing i forget how we do that but um to explain why they need more time i just i've seen deadlines for starting the project i just didn't see deadlines for ending the project um and one other thing was that in the in all of our procedures here do we want to add anything about this unusual circumstance like um about zoom meetings and having to do roll calls and whatnot i didn't see anything for that not that i'm saying we should have it's just just throwing it out you know i'm kind of thinking that we should we're going to experience this for the next couple of months and i think we'll have a better sense of how we should amend our rules and i think we'll have to do it again in the fall and in the winter maybe so i think let's let's spend some time we can go back and reamend these rules again but i think we should gather some experience with it before we put something in uh you know cold hard uh black letter law sounds good okay so we have before us uh the amendment as amended by mr maxfield to amend the rules and regulations um and it's been seconded and there's been discussions now time for a vote on that amended amendment that amendment as amended and there's going to be a roll call vote so i vote i miss parks i mr maxfield i mr langsdale i miss omira i if there are no other amendments discussions or comments i think we've reached the end of the rules consideration of the rules and regulations for the zba um and and if that's the case i move that we adopt these rules and regulations uh for the zba is there a second i can do any further discussion if not this is a roll call vote i vote i miss parks how do you vote i mr maxfield how do you vote i mr langsdale i miss omira i motion passes unanimously thank you all for that uh and thank you john for your help my pleasure thank you all restaurant and miss pollock thank you for a lot of work on these rules and regulations it was um i i can tell you that i spent some time on it they spent a lot of time on it and it's tedious work and they deserve our thanks so thank you and thank you john my pleasure thank you mr john um that comes to the end of the the end of the items on the agenda the only thing left for this meeting is to open it up for public comment for items not on the agenda which we have to do for every meeting and um maureen is there anybody still listening anybody no one zero all right zero there is no public comments at 10 to 10 at night so matt i move we adjourn the meeting of the this meeting is there a second i can do all right um i vote up if no further discussion i vote i miss parks hi mr maxfield hi mr langsdale and so mera hi hi hi thank thank you all we'll try to return to our nine o'clock limit in the future or maybe 9 30 in the future i think that's enough but i appreciate your time patience and all your input for these last three items thank you very much thank you how are you everyone night good night night


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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Oxmer Toyota on this beautiful day. I'm Gabrielle and I would like to talk a little bit about this beautiful vehicle. This is a 2023 Toyota Crown. This is the limited. You guys, the exterior of your color is in the magnetic gray metallic. Now the front of this is stunning. You're going to have the Quad LED projector low and high beam headlights, and then the automatic high beams. You're also going to have the LED tail lights and the stop lights. So with this vehicle, you'll have the advanced technology package. So with that, you're going to have 21 inch 10 spoke dark alloy wheels. Those wheels are gorgeous. Also with that package, you're going to have the panoramic view monitor. With this vehicle, you're going to get 41 MPG combined. So great gas mileage as well. So I definitely love this vehicle. It's the, you know, the styling and the shape of this. It's not just your standard Camry that we all love as well, but it does have beautiful styling. Now going into the crown, it is absolutely stunning. You have the black leather interior. Now you are going to have two pretty large screens. You are going to have the 12.3. This is the multi information display right by your steering wheel. And then when you go to the right, that is also a 12.3 inch screen. That is the touch screen. You'll have Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. There's also going to be 11 speakers, JBL, and you'll have the sub and amplifier. So the sound is going to be incredible. There is a wireless charger. Now you are going to have heated and ventilated front seating. There's heated rear seats. And then you're also going to have the panoramic fixed glass roof right up on top. And there's the power sunshade. So beautiful. And guys, again, if we want to look kind of by the steering wheel, this vehicle has this gold accent kind of right in the front by those screens. And right there by your shift knob, it is stunning. So in the back, you are going to have plenty of space for your passengers, all weather floor liners throughout. You are going to have your armrest that can come down. You'll have your cup holders, two of them. You're going to have your vents. And then you're going to have two fast chargers. And then this is a 60 40 split. All right, you also, if you have any questions on the beautiful crown, let us know if you'd like to stop in. It's here. All of our contact info is listed right here. All right, guys, I'll see you soon. Bye.


Welcome to the Pyramid Insider. I'm Tyler Pattener. Today we have a brand new multi-pump PCP in 25 caliber from Air Venturi, the Seneca Aspen. So the Aspen was announced in 2018 actually and this 25 caliber version was announced at Shot Show 2019. So kind of updating the 177 and 22 offering that are actually already available online now. Now we were gonna review at 22 but we had the opportunity to give you guys kind of a first look at the 25 here. So I was very interested to see how this performs compared to the 177s and 22s that I've already tried. There are a lot of features here in the Aspen. So let's start at the front as we always do. We have a fully shrouded rifled barrel. Now inside of the shroud there are not any baffles. Now I have personally put some baffles in there to see if it helps quiet it down at all. The gun's pretty quiet from the factory and it honestly doesn't make too much of a difference. So something to know it's about as quiet as it's gonna get and it's not really loud but we'll obviously get that over the sound meter for you guys out at the range. And dropping down below the shroud we have our air cylinder and you'll notice the air cylinder is very thin on this gun and that is because you have the onboard pump here at your disposal to keep the gun aired up. We'll talk about filling the gun here in just a minute but let's hit some of the other features. We do of course have a barrel band keeping everything nice and secure and you'll notice on the side here we do have a rotating swivel stud to match a swivel stud at the back of the stock for those of you that are gonna be toting this gun around and might want to sling. And you'll of course notice that the Aspen has a full synthetic stock which does have some texturing on the fore end as well as the grip area. Pretty comfortable stock. I have no gripes with it myself so far using it.  It's actually pretty comfortable to bring into the shoulder. Nice little feature there as well. The stock ends in a rubber butt pad and you do have an ambidextrous raised cheek piece here as well molded in. And talking about the breech there are a lot of things going on here on the breech. You of course have your pressure gauge which is really important on this gun because as you shoot you're actually gonna see it move in pretty significant increments. Now we'll show you that when we get out onto the range but that's gonna be important because you'll want to know where you're at when you pump this thing back up. You don't want to pump more than you need to. And also you don't want to shoot to a point where you get outside of that usable pressure range of this gun. Now as it says on the breech you have a 3600 psi max fill pressure so 250 bar for those of you dealing in European units. And of course you have a side lever action which is nice and smooth. Kind of have this long lever here which is actually really nice to grip down. It's not a very hard cocking effort. Works very well. And with the gun you are going to get a single shot train.  This is actually a prototype one that they had to send with this gun. And then an eight round magazine basically a Marauder gauntlet style mag and those will work. I can confirm that for you now. And just below your cocking lever we do have a Hunter style safety that is easy to flip on and off. It's actually in the shape of a pellet, a little copper pellet here which is kind of a nice touch I guess. It's a little weird but it's alright. You get the red dot when you're getting hot. And since we've already cocked the gun we can go ahead and de-cock it just by holding that lever back pulling that trigger and letting it go forward. Pretty easy to do. And flipping the gun around here on the other side of the breach we do actually have a two step power adjuster. So this is a transfer port adjustment like we see on the air arms guns. You have a high and a low setting. Very easy and of course we'll test it. See what it does to shot count and of course power. On top of the breach you have an 11 millimeter dovetail. Now the rifle does come with a 4x32 adjustable objective scope with a milled out reticle. Not a bad scope option. Before our testing since we're purely paper punching here to see the gun's accuracy I went with a Mantis 4 to 12, a budget friendly scope and would be a good option if you're looking for something with a little bit more magnification. Didn't mount it in some high rings here. Just know that if you do have a larger than 44 millimeter objective bell scope you are definitely going to want to go with high rings on that. And you may also need them to clear the magazine depending on the saddle height of your scope as well. Last thing I want to hit on before we talk about filling this gun here you do have a hammer spring tension adjustment at the back of the action here. Simple allen key adjustment. You put it in there and you're able to turn it clockwise counterclockwise. Just know that that is going to allow you to play with the velocity of your gun a little bit for your chosen pellet. But it may have an impact on shot count and how many shots you're getting before you have to pump this guy up again. So keep that in mind as you adjust. Now dropping down to the trigger we do have a two stage adjustable trigger out of the box feels like it's about three pounds but a nice clean first second stage wall and it's breaking nice and crisp for me. So I have no complaints with the trigger so far out of the box but of course we'll test it for you as well.  Now what that is is a pump lock out. So right now this is in the locked configuration and it will actually keep you from opening the pump arm. So we're going to press that on through and you see it pop out on the other side there. That's going to allow us to go ahead and open this pump arm. Now this is really the meat and potatoes of the gun guys. This is why this gun is significant. An inexpensive PCP we've seen this before. An inexpensive PCP with a built-in onboard pump. That's well it's a game changer all right. So this is what makes this gun significant that onboard pump. Now one of the things I do want to show you while we have this open here. Now don't worry if you don't want to fill this with the pump you don't have to. You actually have a little cover here for your fill port comes with a probe and this is actually has a quick disconnect machine to onto it.   If you have a tank go ahead and fill this with the probe and your tank beforehand. Get it up to 36 pressure and then use the pump arm to keep yourself topped up. That would be the way I would do it and that's how we've done it so far. Talking about the pumping effort this is actually in my opinion easier to pump than a hand pump is especially when you get to high pressure. I can pump this all the way to 3600 psi doing just this right here at a lower effort than I can do it with a hand pump. Now I'm not actually going to fill it all the way in front of you guys but I can tell you it takes about 80 strokes or at least for this gun it took about 80 strokes to fill it from empty with just the pump arm so it can be done. It's not exactly the most fun thing in the world but you can do it if you have to if you don't have other fill equipment. And that's really the beauty of this gun. It has everything you need with PCP accuracy, quiet, all the features with an onboard pump. This is a one-time cost gun and I love that. This is like the Springer or the multi pump of the PCP world because it has everything built in that you need. Now that we've run you through the features we're going to head out to the range. Today we're going to start on the chronograph though. That's going to be really important for this gun. We need to figure out what our pressure range is that's usable before we go ahead and extend our range and see what kind of accuracy the aspen can produce. Aspen! So before we go ahead and put this on paper at 45 yards to see what kind of accuracy it's producing I need to figure out what my usable range is from a pressure perspective. So what we're going to do is we're going to shoot an entire chronograph string. Now it's going to be pretty short because the onboard cylinder on this gun is very small. So what I'm going to try and determine here is between what pressure range is on that gauge I need to keep the pressure between to get my most consistent results. So let's see what happens over the chronograph. We decided to test with the JSP King 25-4s. They performed well on our pre-testing so figured that was our best option here and they're running right above 800 feet per second producing about 37 foot pounds and as you can see I'm getting four or five shots here within 10 to 20 feet per second and so that's really telling me I have to keep this in a nice tight range so I'm going to take three shots pump it up so I can keep it as close to that you know 800 to 805 mark as I can for all five of these shots for the group. On my gauge right now I've taken eight shots and I'm at about 2400 psi so I know I need to keep this between roughly like 3300 and 2500 to get good consistent shots. Now because that only amounts to four shots or so I'm going to take three and I'm going to pump up like eight or ten times to keep this thing topped up as we're shooting and that's really the whole point of the Aspen here. It's a self-regulated PCP meaning that you as the person pumping it and filling it are regulating it as you're shooting. Aspen! So with the Aspen in 25 caliber at 45 yards we did all five shot groups as we showed you guys over the chronograph on that high power setting we're getting three to four good shots and then I'm going to pump up a couple times make sure it stays within that good usable pressure range get my fourth and my fifth shot typically so that was for every group same procedure all fired from the magazine starting with the H&N Barracudas out there at 45 yards 1.1 inch group had this one going to go on me a little bit but not a bad pellet certainly didn't seem too pellet picky as we were going along also the Predator Poly Mags grouping in there right about an inch so a solid hunting option especially at closer range this is going to be a very devastating pellet on live game then coming in at three quarters of an inch the King Heavies those JSBs at 33.9 now we did also try the Mark IIs they didn't group as well not sure why but the standard King Heavies were definitely better but the best one of all the standard Kings from JSB 5 eighths of an inch about 0.6 this is a dime size group there 45 yards out of the Aspen good stuff now we're going to go take it over the chronograph on low power and show you guys what you can expect from a shot count in an energy perspective testing on low power with the JSB King 25 fours the Aspen here in 25 calibers doing about 17 foot-pounds of energy off of a full fill now I really want you guys to key in on those first 10 shots because you're going from about 550 feet per second down to about 535 or so so you're within 20 feet per second so you're going to get good enough consistency with the velocities to maintain good accuracy and that's really what we're looking for here so for those of you that are doing close range pest elimination or even some target shooting you know low power is going to be a much more conservative and easy to use setting for you and it's going to keep you from pumping all the time like high power is Aspen the Seneca Aspen in 25 caliber a questionable name to be honest with you but solid performance quiet gun decent power about 36 37 foot-pounds dime size accuracy obviously out at 45 yards and for a gun in this price point that's really all you can ask for it's got a solid trigger that's fully adjustable comes with the scope that's going to be usable for you hunters out there although personally for me I upgraded it you've got hammer spring tension adjustment the transfer port adjustment magazine fed single shot tray the ability to fill it with the on board pump or a tank of course this thing doesn't lack for features and for the money you're talking about if you are a hunter a prepper or just somebody likes having a gun by the door ready to go this is a great option that fills a void right now in the market an affordable entry level option that doesn't require you to purchase extra fill equipment that's where the Aspen comes in so if you're on the verge of getting into PCPs you want that super nice accuracy without having to buy all the extra equipment boom here's your answer guys take a look at the Aspen and a little bit more detail on pyramidair.com right now for the insider on Tyler Patner we appreciate you guys joining us today as always don't forget to like comment and subscribe we'll see you at the next one


Hey, everybody, it's Brian. Welcome to our 14th C-Sharp tutorial. Today, we're going to discuss inheritance. So let's just go ahead and make a few classes here. Let's say Add Class. And we're going to say Mammal. So we have a Mammal class. And then let's just add another class here. Let me shrink this down so you can see me actually typing these out. We'll say Feline. And then let's add another class here. And let's just call this Lion. So we have a Mammal, a Feline, and a Lion. Let's just kind of close these. And let's just focus on the Mammal class. Let's say Public. And we'll say Bull for Boling. Remember, Boling is simply a true-false on-off. It has Backbone. And Public, Bull has Hair because all Mammals have a Backbone and they have Hair. So that is our Mammal class. And oftentimes you'll see me put in the Access modifier for everything just so that it's crystal clear what I'm doing here. So let's close Mammal and let's actually open up Feline now. In our Feline class, what we're going to do here is we're going to say Public, Bull has Clause. Now, before we get too deep in this, let's actually jump into our program here. And let's just say Feline and see Feline equal New, Feline. You notice how Feline only has Clause. Well, Feline's also a Mammal. So we want to do what's called Inheritance, meaning we want to inherit the properties of another class. And this may sound confusing. And if you've got books on C-Sharp or other languages, they make it sound like you're just building a bomb out of spare parts like an episode of McGyver. If any of you are old enough to remember that. Inheritance is not hard and I wish people would not make it hard. Really? Just do space colon and then the name of the class you want to inherit, Feline Mammal. You have just inherited that class. Now, what does that mean? When you type C, Feline, you now have all the properties of the Feline class has Clause plus the Mammal class has backbone has hair. So really what you're doing here is you're taking two classes and kind of adding them together. You have your Feline class. Let's kind of go back here and review. Notice how it has Clause. You have your Mammal class, which has backbone and has hair and you're combining them by saying Feline inherits Mammal. So you're saying take the properties of the Mammal and add them to the Feline class. Now, why would you need multiple inherits? Why can't you just add those properties into the Feline? Well, let's say some genetic evolution happens and Mammals change. Well, dogs are also mammals, aren't they? So let's just go at class and let's say dog and we're going to inherit the Mammal class. So now dogs also have backbones and hair but they, unlike Felines, do not have claws. Well, technically dogs do have claws just not the way cats do. So what you could do with dogs is just say public bull can bark. Now, my daughter will argue that our cat barks but our cat is just really weird. It's like the exorcist cat, I swear. C-dog. Oops, let's make that lower case. So now you have C-Feline which has backbone, has claws, has hair and then you have C-dog which can bark but also has backbone and hair. That's why you'd use multiple inheritance. When you want multiple things, I'm sorry, not multiple inheritance, when you want to use inheritance, when you want multiple classes to inherit the properties of your class. So as you see, we have our Mammal class which is very nice and self-contained and we can put all the properties of a Mammal. They breathe, they're warm-blooded, they have hair, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera and then any other class can inherit those properties. Now, one catch or gotcha, if you will, is that some languages have what's called multiple inheritance. C-sharp does not. What is multiple inheritance?  What you're trying to do here is you're trying to inherit a Mammal and a dog. You cannot do that in .NET. There's no such thing as multiple inheritance. So that would be like taking a toaster or refrigerator in an airplane and all smushing them together. Now, to get around that, what you can do is called inheritance chaining. Inheritance chaining says, let's take our lion class here and let's inherit feline. So now the lion inherits feline, the feline inherits Mammal. So you have all those properties. Let's actually close dog out. Not a big dog fanatic here. So let's put these in order. Lion inherits feline, feline inherits Mammal. That's called inheritance chaining. So if we make a lion class, you can see how it has claws from the feline class and it also has a backbone and hair from the Mammal class. But because it's in its own class, lion, we can actually go in and add our own things. So like let's just say public void roar because well, lions roar. So now we have a function. Let's go back in here and I'm wondering if the video is probably chopping it off. Let's see if I can scroll down a little bit here. There we go. There's our roar. So as you can see, we have our lion dot roar. And if you highlight something, it says Mammal dot has hair. It's because it's telling you exactly where it's getting it from. Feline dot has claws. So that's inheritance and inheritance chaining. Very simple, very easy to work with and a very, very powerful feature. You will be using that a lot in your programs. Some fallbacks to inheritance are very simple. If something down the line, let's say you make this lion class which inherits feline, which inherits Mammal. And somebody goes in and changes this Mammal class. They say, Mammals don't have hair. Well, if your lion class is depending on that value or that variable or whatever it is, you just broke everything up the food chain here. So felines will start crashing, mammals will start crashing, et cetera, et cetera. So you want to make sure that when you allow inheritance in your classes, that you are very conscious not to change things that are going to break other classes that are inheriting you. And there's certain access modifiers and tricks you can use to keep classes from inheriting you. But we won't discuss those just yet. We're not there just yet. Anyways, this is Brian. Thank you for watching. I hope you found this tutorial educational and entertaining.


All right, let's get started. Welcome to SL Linux Fun with MySQL and friends. As you can see, I'm missing a co-speaker. Yvonne unfortunately couldn't make it today. He's in South America, and he couldn't get approval to come here. But he did help me prepare these slides, so we left his name on there. So quickly, who we are. My name is Matias Krawals. I live here in Belgium. I live in Ghent. I've been a Bachelor in Computer Science, been a Linux user, and I've been for over 20 years. Then I've been a PHP developer in the start of my career for about 10 years. And since 80 years, I'm MySQL DBA. Currently, I'm a Lead Database Consultant at Pythian. Yvonne lives in Argentina in South America as a Systems Engineer. Unfortunately, he also has left Pythian. He's now a Senior Consultant at Percona. This is something about Pythian, yeah. One disclaimer. I'm not going to claim here that I'm the SL Linux guru. I'm just a DBA having to deal with SL Linux on systems that are managed by other people. And this presentation goes about how we go about that, and what we did, and what we learned about dealing with those kind of situations. So let's get started with some introduction to what SL Linux is. So this is the definition you can find on Wikipedia. It's something because someone thought that the normal Linux security system wasn't good enough. So we actually have the privileges for user groups and others. But it wasn't granular enough. It's originally developed by the NSA in America and Red Hat. And it's distributed to your kernel as a set of kernel modules for enhanced security or for bothering DBAs. There are three modes to SL Linux. And it's very similar to what Nick earlier said in his presentation about proxy SQL. The default mode is set to enforcing in Red Hat's Enterprise Linux and Fanto S. You can set it to permissive or disabled. Permissive does what it says. It will track all the settings for SL Linux, but it will allow them, but it will log them in the log file. And disabled will just completely disable SL Linux. And a wise man once said, every time you disable SL Linux, a kitten dies. Think of the kittens. The truth is mostly the compliance or security teams will bite you if you disable it. It's often a part of their audit trails. They want the logging at least, or they want to block everything they don't allow, which is also the default policy. So there's a deny policy for anything you don't specifically allow. A useful tool on Red Hat Enterprise Linux-based system or CentOS-based system is policy core-use tools in Python. It provides a lot of tools to manage and define your SL Linux policies if you want to go a little bit deeper and really start writing policies. The devil package gives you a lot more tools also. And how you can check it? So there's a tool, SL status, and you can run that. And it will show you the current modes. Like in this case, it was enforcing, it's enabled, and these are the config directories. You can get enforced to see what the status is of the enforcement. And remember the kittens here, because I made this screenshot. I killed the kitten. So SL Linux is defined by users policy context. There's another one-on-one mapping between Linux users and SL Linux users. So the SL Linux users, by default here in this system, you can get by sa-user-l, and then you get all the SL Linux users. You have guests, routes, stuff, a regular user. And you can then assign a login. So in this case, I assigned user John to my S-user, S-Linux user. And then you can see that this John user is there. And the default is that they are unconfined. So it's very straightforward, very easy to track or something. And also S-Linux adds a dash capital Z option to commands like LS or PS. So you can see what SL Linux users and roles and types it uses. And also for a process, you can see MySQLD is running as the type MySQLD underscore t. And MySQLD save is running as SQLD save underscore t. And so the context are defined as user role, type, and then a level. The most user that I have seen from it is we're using user and type. A role is usually like a system object or system R or something like that. A level is if you want to go even more granular, you can start doing like this user has access level to these SL Linux levels and you can go up to more and more levels. But that takes us a bit too far if we. So MySQL and SL Linux out of the box experience is that so that everything works. So if you just install, you have install MySQL server, which gives you MariaDB server. Or if you do MySQL community server, everything will work. So there's a module, a policy predefined. You can do the SA manage module L and then you can grab for MySQL. So you see that the MySQL object is there by default. And it's very granular. So you have a lot of different types that are defined for different locations. So in the Etsy MySQL, it's MySQLD Etsy. You have the log directory, the data directory has its own. The MySQLD process has its own context and everything. So it's very granularly defined and you can then start playing with it. So in this case, in this example, we wanted to change the data directory. So the default is far like MySQL and somehow we were requested to put it on data MySQL. And so we made the directory, we gave it the permissions. And you can see here by default, it's unconfined. And we started MariaDB service and it didn't start. So what we used to do was turn the selenix off and then it worked. But remember the kittens. So there's an audit log. And if you install that Python package that I referred to, you can do audit to allow and w-w-a will give you the list of things it's denied for you. So in this case, it says, I denied write to the location. I tried writing with MySQLD context and you are writing to default D so it's not allowed. And it's true because this is by default default type. And so you cannot write to that with selenix enforced. So we were then finding the right data directory context. So on varlib MySQL, this is the default context. So we were trying to just set the context to the directory context. And then we did it now as again, and hey, wait, we changed this, but it didn't change anything. So you still have to apply that if you change that. Something we learned.  So it shows you what it's actually changing. Then it will start changing the types. And now you can see that it has the right type. And if you now start to server or get the status, you can see that it's active running with the right data directory as you were expecting to. So this is one way of dealing with it. Another thing is custom ports. So we had a running MySQL instance and we just wanted to change this from 3.2.6 to 3.2.7. So what we did, added sports equals 3.2.7 to the MySQLD section of the config, restarted and boom, it didn't start. Why didn't it start? So you check journal CTL, it says it doesn't start, it has a failure, but it doesn't say why. The error log says permission denied. Do you have another process running on that port? No, we don't. So obviously as the Linux was bothering us there. So again, if you do the audit log, you can see that it is trying to use an unreserved port and it gives you a possible solution. So it says you allow NIS enabled, and NIS enabled will allow a process to bind to any port. And so if you set that as say Linux Boolean, it starts and it binds to the port, it works. But the compliance team may or may not like that level of freedom to give it to you. So another way you can go about it is as the Linux manages the port. So if you do, if you grab the MySQL port from port dash L, in essay manage, you see that it has a number of ports predefined, three to a six is part of it. And you can just add three to a seven to that list by doing essay manage port dash A for add to the type MySQL D, the T port T, and then you give it TCP three to a seven and then it adds it to that list and then you can just restart the database server and now it starts with Portrait Viewer seven. So that is just examples of things we run into while dealing with it and how we try to work around it without getting the compliance teams on our necks or getting us in trouble for disabling things or changing Booleans and all those kind of things. So another friend of MySQL is Proxy SQL. Nick just presented about 2.0 and we also use Proxy SQL quite often and also by default, it works. So if you have, as a Linux state that's enabled and forcing everything, it works, it runs, but it's running as an unconfined service and it's running with the default privileges for VARLIP T, where the default type of directory for Proxy SQL is. So why should we bother? It works out of the box. In our case, the log rotation failed. So we have log rotate rotating the Proxy SQL logs and if I run this as root, it worked. I defined my Proxy SQL log rotate config and I tested it and everything worked until Krone started running it. Krone runs and it says it starts, I start log rotate Proxy SQL and it exited abnormally with status one. So why? If we do the, this default system has, it's mailing to VARLOG mail root and so it says error renaming my .2 log file to .3. Why? It says permission denied. If we try it as root, it works, but if we try it in KroneTap, it doesn't. So it has root, we can just run the log rotate, we can get all the output, it does everything, everything works, but Krone doesn't let us. So if we go back to this audit log, we see it tries to write this file, but it tries to name this file, so it's not allowed. So in this case, you can use also the audit to allow tool to generate a policy for that. So if you do audit to allow on the log file, so here is the same command we did for that audit log. This just prints the output on the screen. If you do dash and Proxy SQL into a file, it generates this file for you. The problem is in this case, it only generated for the one error it saw. So it saw one error, the rename, but there's multiple things that log rotate will do, it will create new files, it will rename files, it will delete files if they are expired. So it needs more privileges. So these are the commands you can do then to compile this .te file into an actual module file that you can load and package before it gets loaded into the kernel. So at the end, you have the module loaded, version 1.0, which is the version we defined here. So if you define a different version there, it gets a different version number down here. So as I said, this only just allows for a rename. So more iterations of the same process are required to make this work. An easier way to get to this is to set SLS temporarily to permissive. So you can see what it will do, it will allow, it will log everything, and then you can run the process. Obviously, it doesn't do all the operations it might do in a single run. So in my case, I was only at my second or third iteration and I wanted to keep five log files. So it only, when it reaches the fifth log files, it will start deleting. So you have to run, make sure that you have the entire process that it will do. No. Oh yeah, the question was, can you set SLS permissive only for a specific process? The answer is no. Not as far as I know, but. So if you then have the entire list of things it can do in the audit log, then you can generate the full file that you end up with, and then it looks something like this. So it has access to those types. So the varlip, dev, log rotate, unreserved ports, tcp connects, and then all those file actions. So it needs access to the admin port for ProxySQL in order to flush the logs, because otherwise ProxySQL would just keep writing to the old log file. And it needs all those privileges on the varlip ProxySQL directory to make sure that it can rotate the file. In the end, it was a great success. We did have no more errors. So our log rotates in chron was running fine. We started rotating and everything started working. Thank you Dave. Is this the best solution? Probably not. What would be a better solution, I think, would start to define ProxySQL's own SELinux policy. So the varlip ProxySQL directory gets its own policy, gets the right privileges for log rotate. But as I said, I'm not the big SELinux expert. So I didn't get that far yet. Maybe in some next project I will have to and maybe next year I can come demonstrate how you generate the SELinux policy for ProxySQL. But in this case, this was enough for us. So we got log rotate to rotate. And in this case now it has permission to do so on all the files in varlip, which is probably not what you want. But for this project, it was okay. Alternatives for SELinux, most well known is probably AppArmor, which is the default in Ubuntu-based systems, I think. And SELinux. And then the key difference is this, yeah, you can see here, SELinux supports a remote policy server. If you define it centrally, then all the servers get it, which AppArmor doesn't. And then there's some other tools which are less known, but when looking up alternatives, I found them, so I put them here. So, any questions? You said that SELinux has some good defaults for my SELinux. Not yet, I think. Not yet, I think. So does the default policy include a port for MySQL X? I don't think it does yet. It might, and there might be a feature request for that, but I don't know. And I think the policy is not managed by Oracle itself or by MariaDB, but I think it's managed by the kernel. Yeah, it's got to be a surprise if you... Sure. Show me. So the question was, when you specified the port to access, is there an option to include SELinux? I don't know. So the question was, can you export the database after you set SELinux? I think you can, it's just exported to anywhere you want. I think as a route, you will be able to write anywhere. So, okay, thank you.


So, since the morning started, it's 9.30 now, I've made a big circle, really slow controlled stock all the way around my camp, but all I managed to run into was that mule deer right back there. I mean, she was just sitting there, the wind was right, and she was checking me out, and she looked the other way, and I was just sitting there, I was looking in another direction, looking for elk. I wish the elk were like that mule deer doe that was just standing there. It's hard, I'm learning a lot of things, but I'm still gonna hunt down the mountain. I'm gonna take a little bit longer away. I think I've just hunted this area too hard. You know, it's kind of like when you find a group of fish and you've got to turn them in or you just wanna go back and keep catching them, but you just run them out of there and you're better off just like finding a new pattern. I probably should have just gone to a different mountain and maybe come back here, but put so much pressure on them, running into them every day except for today. You know, they're not bugling anymore, they're just, they're pressured. I pressured them.  It'll be a stroke of godly luck if I run into one and get an opportunity, but stranger things have happened. So basically that, that, that, that, that, and this are all going in here. Good thing I got a big bag. I absolutely love this bag too. This is a great backpack.  If you wanna do mountain hunting, be prepared to put the work in, that's for sure. The whole goal is to try to get most of your weight towards the bottom of the bag and like close to your back, like on your spine. So the first thing I start with is the sleeping bag. These are my clothes. I really only take a pair of, like what I'm gonna wear hunting and then something to sleep in. And I've got two jackets. I've got a puffy, puffy jacket goes up top and I've got a insulated layer, which I have on and I need to take off right now. So they go up here. I also keep like essential stuff that I need. Broadheads, knife, rope, some marking tape, stuff like that. Sleeping pad, go right there. This other side in the side compartment, I have my, my cooking utensils.  Tense, a little heavier item. I want to make sure it goes in the middle. Push it down for our food. Food's gonna go on top, got it in the middle. We don't have much right now. Game bags and extra dry bag that can go up towards the top. Water, you want to make sure to have access to. I'm almost out of it. Another reason to get down.  I've also got a Nalgene bottle. Oh, got a little bit left in there. Wow, platypus breaks. I've got something hard I can keep watering. My camera equipment, if I have lenses and things like that, that's gonna go in the center of the pack. And I wrap that up in a, in a dry bag. So they don't get wet. It's basically good to go. My little DSLR camera. Just gonna stick it in up top. So this one's pretty light. It's not a big deal. Anyway, I can't get access to it. And then just buckler down. Now the pack's ready to go down the mountain. Oh, in the bow, just carry it in your hand. This really isn't that bad. This is probably 35, 40 pounds. When you wear these, by the way, let the bag kind of sit on your hips. And the reason is, as soon as you do that, the weight goes to your hips. So then you can adjust. You can adjust the weight by loosening these straps or tightening these straps, whether it's more on your shoulders or more on your hips. And so just start somewhere out in the middle. When your legs are getting really tired, hips get tired, good morning to your shoulders. You can just go back and forth. So that's the nice thing about these nice packs. So, okay. Now it's time to grab the bow and hunt our way down the mountain. I gotta come back for that camera. So hit the like button. There's another mule deer.   Why can't your bigger friends be like you? These mule deer, I might just have to come back for them. What an amazing place, y'all. You just look behind me. That was all the way up there. Went deep with them. I feel like I did everything I could possibly do besides taking my boots off and just really sneaking around.  This is it. This is it for me. Hanging up the bow, taking off the release. Archery elk season, mountains of Colorado, 2019. It's over for me. Woo, I'm beat up, exhausted. Haven't had a shower in a week, but it's been awesome, y'all. You know, just some closing notes for the elk series. In my mind, I consider this trip a success. The only negative is that I didn't get an elk. But I wanted to come up here and I wanted to learn about elk hunting, this area, how to find elk. And I figured out how to do that. The things that I really need to get better at is calling. So I learned how to make a cow call. Had a couple of bulls actually come in. But I didn't know how to call good enough to close that distance. It was just kind of a half good call. There's a lot more to that. And I think I really, I tore up the mountain a little too much. I should have probably sat in some areas a lot longer and called more. That's where being better at calling comes in. I learned about thermals. As you can hear right now, all this wind coming down the mountain. It's 1146, about 10 o'clock every day. It starts coming down and in the mornings it's going up. So you have to worry about thermals, which carry your scent and wind. So a lot of times it's swirling. It's very challenging. So you always have to think about where you think the elk are and your position. Today was the only day that I did not see an elk. Every day I was here, I was able to get on elk. I consider that a win for my first time out. This area that I'm hunting, this unit, I think it's 11% success rate for archery hunters that come up here and hunt. I didn't quite make that 11%. I wanted to, but it just kind of shows you the challenge that is involved and I love it. I will 100%, 100,000% be back here and maybe not just do archery for elk, but I saw some bruiser mule deer. Had multiple opportunities today to shoot a mule deer dose and I was able to find the differentiating between the elk tracks and the mule deer tracks and different poops and what I really learned a lot. Really grew as an outdoorsman on this trip and obviously living out here in the woods with very little resources. Also just helps you be a better outdoorsman and I love doing this, but I'm ready to get back home to OSG and Emmy now.  I still got my fishing poles with me. With my elk hunting license, it allows me to fish as well. It's a part of it. So I'm gonna take full advantage of that and try to limit out on trout and salmon and take those home to my lovely ladies. Guys, go ahead and smash the like button.  It didn't happen, but it was a step into a big journey that I'm gonna be doing this as long as I can. As long as my legs and my body will allow me to do this, it is awesome. And I encourage all of y'all if you really wanna just get into nothing, like nowhere, see absolute beauty in the outdoors, no cell phone service, nothing. Come up to Colorado and check it out. There's other places besides Colorado, but these mountainous areas that have these elk and these just amazing woodland creatures and trout, it's awesome. It's kind of like a symbolism of America, like the heart of America. Kind of makes me think about how pioneers back in the day came across all this stuff and wrote about it, it's really neat. So don't forget to subscribe to the channel if you wanna see more outdoor action like this. And I thank you guys for being here literally with me through the lens for this entire journey. I will see you on the next one. LFG signing off, 2019, Archery Elk Seas, out.


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