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How's everybody doing today? We've been gone for a little while And when we came back, I'm like got to have somebody who's really good and really funny and Will allow me to just sit here and let him do what he does Exactly and John Bailey is our guest tonight The epic voice guy That's just just a big voice guy. I used to have the epic voice guy people thought it was the pick voice guy, so Oh People still say the Thanks. See what I mean Get your brand name right right if you got questions for john or if you got tech questions for george and I Put them in the chat room depending on where you might actually be whether you're on facebook live Or youtube live You know, we can do it on linkedin now. I think yeah, it's now allowing us three streams We can go on linkedin. We haven't done that yet, but next time we try it raven carrier pigeon Fax machine smoke signals exactly all those things all modern-day technology. Are you ready? You ready george? I'm ready You're ready. John. I was born ready. All right. It's time for voice over body shop right now It's time for voice over body shop Brought to you by voiceover essentials.com the home of harlan hogan signature products Source elements the makers of source connect voiceover heroes become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor websites.com where your voice actor website doesn't have to be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success and world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts dan and george Hello there. I'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vio Most definitely tonight putting the bs and vio bs. That's right. I'm gonna get you to do more liners Anyway, I don't do drugs. So yeah, I'm not getting any lines. Yes. Oh liners. Oh liners. Yeah, sorry Okay, john bailey epic voice guy. Say I took out the deak. There you go. See it was already edited out There you uh on social media as an actor voice actor content creator social influencer and stand-up comedian With such vocal talent. He has taken hollywood by storm In other words You got to have the talent if you come into town and you definitely got the talent So welcome back to voiceover body shop. It's nice to be here in person Again, it's nice to be anywhere in person to tell you the truth So, I mean how long has it been since you've been on? I think we had you on once during the pandemic or I think it's been like a year or something. Yeah Well, we have you on once a year because Right on the ground all day, right and this is the day So anyway daily day. Yeah, right next to international women's day Yes Now the the thing is and we'll lead off with this and we'll just roll away from it I love that neither one of them knew it was my birthday like right days ago Happy Nobody even knew I thought he would leave this. So it was your birthday. No three three Jeff Holman's birthday, how do you like that birthday Jeff? They got overshadowed Those are all Pisces I don't know. It's kind of fishy. I'm sorry Pisces. It's a fish.  No, I got this suit. Uh, we got a lot of clothes I mean, you look great. Oh, you mean a weight. Yeah How much did you lose? Uh, total lost 150 from heaviest to thinnest, but I bumped back up a little bit that still kept off the most of it That's outstanding still working on that's that's that's how you keep yourself healthy and I'm aiming for 163 I figured that's a I would kill to be 160 The doctor says that I'm supposed to weigh between 150 and 175 right in the middle of 163. So that's the goal But I'm lingering around, you know, the 200 mark right now. So All right, so if we were on seesaw, we'd be balanced. Yeah, pretty good. Okay. Well, that's cool. I just wear more spanks Is this your booth outfit because that's a lot of poly right? I do content in this I go to red carpets with my beautiful girlfriend hunter over there In the south but this is like it's half casual. I got the got the purple converse So thank you the mad brand company and my girlfriend for the amazing Custom color hat you can get this epic hat for code epic 20 on the mad brand code And I went to explain explain explain thank you And then this stuff, uh, it's a wrap in burbank. It's got like Oh, yeah From some shoot film or tv something's like really cool to get all this stuff All the reasons to be in hollywood.  So I I just decided to put my birthday suit on Yeah Now I remember when we first had you on Actually, when we've george and I first started doing the show from here As opposed to buffalo and Santa Monica back when it was west coast body shop, right east west east west west body shop And you were talking about you wanted to come out to hollywood And then You seem to be like commuting back and forth for a while And then you made the big leap forward Or if you were in china the great leap forward And you're here and you've had a lot of success It's been actually it's been very impressive to watch what you've done since you came here And you're a great model for a lot of other people that are like should I come to hollywood? But you got to have the talent and this guy has the talent He also had to the drive to and that was the other you have to grind and grinding Most people just don't have that they just don't want to they'll sit there and We'll stick their hands and they'll sit on them and they'll like it'll all come to me You know, um, I transitioned here instead of just Dropping everything and going for multiple reasons some of them personal but um, overall I felt it was better to kind of Get a feel for the land try to see who I could make contact with to see like how does it talk to rock paulson about like What areas are the most affordable to live in? How much does it cost for you to live here? No But he you know, he had thrown out this A ginormous number like he's like it easily a quarter of you have to to gross a quarter of a million dollars to Live comfortably in LA and I was like that seems ridiculous considering I used to make you know 25 27 grand a year in my old job And he's not wrong to live comfortably with a family the size that I have but most people are using two incomes And at the time I only had the ones this then now I've actually got some helps a little bit easier Um, but yeah, I had to kind of see where the most affordable places were if it was actually going to be worth the transition here What I'd be busy enough doing things to make it worth coming And my agent when I was then this is when I was very new to the agency So I mean nothing negative about my agency. I freaking love them. They've helped me achieve so so much So I'm like extremely internally grateful to them. But when I first signed with them, you know, I'd been with them for a minute But I was I was uh, you know remote talent and I didn't have a lot of that And they had said it's kind of sounded like a hollywood thing like oh if you lived here You'd book more and I was like this kind of sounds like a cop out a little bit And so I and I was doing Very badly or mediocre at best with them at the beginning and I kind of figured that might have to come to pay with your pay your dues or You know, you you're the new guy on the poll You don't get submitted with everything when they have guys that are just they're they're booking people Right, but then I moved here and I was like, okay, let's just see if that's accurate and sure enough as soon as I got here Like it just it was booking after booking it's Got to where it was I mean I have vocal stress right now because I'm booking so many things close together Which is a good problem to have but also you don't want over to it either Just because you can't do it doesn't mean you should like, okay Well, I'm not going to sacrifice my my instrument Yeah, which it would be long-term work for a few extra bookings here So right usually I found when you get to a certain point They'll work with you and they're like, oh well if you can't do that We don't want you to blow your voice out We'll just put it off a day or two or we'll reschedule for next week They're they're very kind and considerate about it They wouldn't have been back in the day like when you were a rookie like you got 50 other guys It can do it better than you right, you know, so you have to kind of build up that John can do it He can do it fast. You do it right and how many years has it been now? It's been 15 15 years since I booked my very first job. It's been Probably 11 or 12 of that that have been full-time Because I kind of jumped in a little early and then you made the move to LA Yeah, I didn't make the choice to go. I did not make the choice to go full-time by a choice That was because the economy crashed and company I worked for went bankrupt And I didn't have another option So it was like well, it was well, I had only been auditioning when I wasn't at work You know, so I'm like well between four and midnight. I can't do anything. So right and what little bit I did audition for you had to be available during the day hours to you know And my cutoff time was like four o'clock. So that kind of limited me on how much I could do So, uh, I was still booking like one to three jobs. I was like, uh, this is this must be horrible How can you make a career out of this? Right? And then the engineer who sold me the microphone I still use now The one that you had told me how to replace the tube. Yeah He had said there's been people that have been with us for five years and never booked a single job And and then something that my girlfriend said earlier today about you know, people claim But well, it seems to be important how much experience you have like how many years you've been doing this job But you could be crappy at a job and be doing it 15 20 years So there's people that had not booked a single job thinking about I've been a voice actor for five years That doesn't mean they're good They're living on on mac and cheese and rock. Yeah, and they're probably still not quit their day job Which is my number one recommendation when I coach don't quit your day job This is not something you can dive in full-time like I'm quitting my job today And I'm going to be a full-time voice actor by tomorrow. No, you won't Yeah, also don't start in debt And learn that one in the life insurance business don't start in debt really really tough So what type of type of work did you start booking and and what did you do to maintain doing that? Well, I I was told by somebody that I will I will not out Um publicly because they were very big in this business But somebody had told me a long long time ago back in the uh, do you remember Zurich uh rick party. Yeah, man. You're in his original website. Yeah, yeah But that was the site that I first like that's the first online voiceover site back in the day And uh, somebody in the forums on there.  I was very young and I did it was a re universe. Yeah, it's a re universe.com. Yeah, we're just still around Yeah, and I had uh, yeah, it's transposed to to a site now instead of being its own website Yeah, um, but I had posted up, you know, just impressions of characters that other people had done not knowing any better because I was still pretty I think I was 18 19 years old right and um, So somebody very big just like you'll never get anywhere in this business doing impressions doing sound likes for other people You're 10 to 15 thousand dollars away from every booking your first gig It's going to be 10 to 15 years before you book anything at like really harsh stuff, right? And I'm not going to say who was this is a guy who was well known for doing sound likes for other actors That haven't that are no longer here or that you know, and I was like well at the time though I'm a kid like what the freaking so I just jumped in anyway. I'm like a freaking show this guy I could do this and he's not wrong. He's just not completely right either There is no room in in voiceover the profession for doing sound likes and doing and and doing impressions at least In social media, there's a huge room for that because it's become its own genre of people doing doing impressions Right and some of them are yeah And some of them have actually made it all the way to actually make brian hull brian hulls got all the way up to Hotel transylvania 4 being like the main one of the main characters uh adam sandlers sound alike And uh, so I'm not saying it's not a route. I'm just saying it's a route that very few take and succeed very much It's usually a oh this person has two million followers on social media We should hire them to do this thing and but they're not their full-time career is not voiceover They're having to put a lot out in social media just to maintain that That kind of stuff is fine, you know, but I'll give you a perfect example um When I get online And I read, you know, baby got back put in Winnie the Pooh's voice My anaconda don't want none of this you've got buns on, you know, that's funny. That's tick top worthy, but In voiceover, there's very few people that they're going to call when they made the Winnie the Pooh movie Besides jim to do to do Winnie the Pooh's voice and it sounds so much like the original that no one knows It's not jim, right and that's the difference between they couldn't get a hold of jim Right and they also need to want someone to do you and my greatest voice and I happen to do both So I feel it for you and I'm for pooh For the trailers and that's a full-time scale job pay that nobody will even know about unless they actually heard the spot and be like I made that, you know, nobody most people would not hear the difference And then they hire for the final spot They'll get jim and you and to come in and do their own or maybe if it's expedient They'll leave mine in but there's usually no residuals for that kind of work But it was it's something where that ability to sound like someone else To the point where people can't tell the difference has turned into a paying career But now and you I'm curious because this is this is a hardware software show I'm curious your guys thoughts on AI because I've seen a lot of crazy Interesting stuff with AI voiceover and with the big technology where adr and loop group is gonna be I mean gonna get white. Yeah, it could be I mean because the AI voices are okay enough where Some things you could fill in where you wouldn't need somebody to do it. Yeah, revoicer And they don't need anybody to reshoot anything they can literally have the actor come in say a new line And they can make their face say those original words and edit it Right. So all these two things are going to be harmful towards my career loop groups and adr All that stuff where it's like we need to stuff this fast this fast When if they have software that can do that, what's the point of hiring somebody no matter how good they are Right. I mean re-speecher has like an actual adr means talking about how she's using re-speecher To fix the voices on stuff so she doesn't have to bring the actors in Yep, that's it's good enough Yeah, and most people just most studios that this is if it's good enough why spend $800 when they could do it for free Right thing is the thing is though with AI you still have to have a pilot Yeah, right no matter how AI the thing is you still have to have somebody who knows how to drive it and program it Just like drums, right when electronic drums came out.  They were just all they could do was techno, right? But now you can hire a drum programmer who can do very impressive drums But now you have to know how to program those drums and it's actually difficult So AI voice I look at it the same way like if you want really high quality AI voice You're gonna have to get a really high quality, you know AI voice programmer, right by the time you do that Maybe you could have just hired the actor Because then they can just bang out those lines like yeah much much quicker too. So there's I think what's going to happen Um is that they're going to use that technology to eliminate the scratch tracks Sure Because then you won't need to hire somebody like me to do the temp stuff They'll still hire the final actor for whatever, but they won't need anybody to do they'll just need something That's kind of basic But most of them still but especially with animated movies There's been a few that I've worked on where they don't have anything made yet It's all just audio right and there's still just storyboards at that point Right and they'd rather have the actors come in because AI cannot match that level of improv and exactly They just can't think that quickly you can just write out what you can say Right, you know, but you never know but you run through something two or three times You get something funnier and different each time. Yeah AI just can't compete with that. I was just curious to bring it up Well, no, no, there's no emotion. There's no I mean they can it all kind of sounds basically the same It sounds like a person it's right And if you're gonna put emotion in that means another model or another thing you have to program into the system to give it the emotion Which means it's not authentic because it's just one version of that emotion And it just it can't respond as quickly There's no doubt it's going to be used and it already is being used all the time on youtube and instagram There's there's a fake out there at me It's pretty bad though If you've ever seen mr. Puzzles, that's pretty horrible on the floor below you are so chairs They had AI write this horror movie and I can't really get mad at it because all the voices in it are AI voices But the story is ridiculously They just fed it like 50 horror movies And then did all the and let AI and then the animations like shrek 2000 So I mean it's horrible and it's not me but it kudos because it's freaking hilarious. Yeah So but it will be good for fixing things You know if you if they're still going to use the live actors to do it and they're not available Or they need to fix something really quick Then yeah, they can use AI to do that But I feel like it's going to cause people like me to have to make more competitive rates to compete with software Right. Well, what what are you planning on doing? To get ahead of this because I think that's you know, if you if you see the future Say I don't really I don't know what else I can do except just be So good at my job that I'm indispensable You know just be the go-to guy that can do it so much faster and it sounds better Right, you know or know the people who do um, I'm actually talking because I can't remember who it is Out the top of my head now. I'm gonna I'm gonna hate this later But a friend of mine was oh, it was holly fields. I was talking about doing a um, I don't know If you know her from jag and she's she's drew Barrymore and Cameron Diaz is sounded like her face can physically transform to drew Barrymore when she does the voice She's basically retired at this point But she had talked about doing their own like loop group thing And I like the idea of like why why hire an outside company? Just have a people have people that a group of people that already do ADR and do it really really well and just Cut through all the who can I cast and I just like we're you know a group that does all that There's a list of all the actors you can if you need or the crowd, you know material I mean we already we already loop so we already know the rules We already know how to do it quickly and easily and there's so many rules If you ever have a chance to if you're a voiceover or interested in voiceover Take johnny gid comes class johnny gid comes the best ADR teacher out there She's actually the one that that recommended him to me Uh, and he works on big films for marvel and fox and you know some of the biggest stuff out there And uh, it's really well done and if you don't know what it is You should look up Uh, Hugh Jackman Logan ADR. It is worth a google as Daniel finakis would say except he'd say it It's worth the google He runs through that whole fight scene and he does the whole thing He gets he gets physical but just physical enough where it works for the audio right and and does it He gives 110 and it's insane to watch and when people say like what do you do? I'm like watch this video I do this but not quite as good as he does If you are just joining us, you've missed a lot already our guest is john bailey Who is epic voice guy? Uh, because he isn't an epic voice. The guy of epic voices is what I've been guy of epic voices Oh, that's too long All right, see the the the whole brand thing started with uh with honest trailers having The disclaimer at the end give us something in the comments for our epic movie trailer voice guy to say or Every movie trailer voice to say and I was like I need to take that and kind of condense it down Right, and I was like epic voice man and somebody recommended about every voice guy I'm like, oh epic voice guy and it's kind of caught on at that point But then it became almost synonymous with aren't you honest trailers guy or aren't you the other works for honest Or aren't you from honest trailer like I don't like these prepositions Very prepositionalist Uh, I was like, I don't want to be known for just the one thing that I do I mean my career expands everything from cartoon and anime to toys to sound likes for A-list celebrities and yet i'm getting typecast or only people only know me for this one thing So I just I was like, how can I spin this around or people like, oh, this is the guy who does voices So just a guy. I'm a guy who does epic guy and that guy who does epic voices. There you go Right. Are you still still doing trailers? Uh, yeah, so I'm actually working on dungeons and dragons right now. That's pretty cool Um, but you don't get a lot of those trailers But people this is a question you probably get a lot Is there a lot of voiceover still in trailer work because people don't hear it But they don't ever think about where they don't hear it. They only don't hear it in the movie theaters Right and not on every single trailer if you if you pay attention, there's a pattern You will hear voiceover in kids movies and you'll hear voiceover in comedy You'll still and if you anything else you'll probably hear the title or the rating at the end and that's it Yeah, friday at seven. That's that's promo It's like this friday in theaters read it all that that'll be the only part you'll hear the voice over on But what they're not thinking about is every time there's radio spotify. There's like How many versions of spotify something out there where it's music app? They still do ads on those and online the pre-roll ads for youtube So if you're a voice on a trailer twitter pain, you're gonna be the voice Yeah, you can you could literally book each individual platform Either they will do a buyout and be like you're we're doing all the trade This is for all online use so they'll be like specifically this trailer is for twitter This trailer is for tick tock this trailer is for instagram But if your voice gets on one of those come there's a lot of money still to be made though that way Um, this is the the example. I always use when iron man first came out Ashton smith booked it and ashton smith easy to spot because ashton smith does this thing at the end of his sentences And he's fully aware of it. Um, then he goes down at the end of every sentence And he booked the iron man commercial and the trailer and it was it also included a national car campaign Because of tony stark's car and a snickers campaign And a dr. Pepper campaign and a taco bell campaign and a mcdonald's happy milk it all those things all came in They use the same trailer guy for every single one you're talking about national spots with residuals plus Dozens of trailers across Several different platforms. That's a massive amount of money I've booked a few campaigns like that even small ones on movies that you wouldn't like smurf's too You wouldn't think that was that big I did 27 spots for that For hotel transylvania. I did 56 Something spots and that was adr But it was the same parade as trailer right and it's like there's a lot out there You just don't know because you don't not everybody hears it in the same place They're like, oh, I heard this in one place or they go to the theater like I didn't hear any trailer boys Those guys don't have any job Well, there's clearly a lot of stuff being pumped out of hollywood and it all has to be noted that way And then there's all these people that are doing ripoff versions that they'll hear something honest trailer Ish and they'll get like we need a guy that sounds kind of like that and you'll go to the movie theater Before the thing starts it's like You know, it's like all the little things before the actual trailer starts. They're still using the trailer voice Yeah, right. It's true. Yeah, if you've got a question for john Now would be a great time to ask it because he loves to answer questions. Yeah, I love it. Yeah I have children. So I love that Throw in the chat room right now whether you're on facebook or on youtube live and jeff holman who is sitting right over here I can almost kick him from here Uh, we'll not without knocking that thousand cores in microphone That's why I said almost Anyway, if you got a question throw it in the chat room because We'll get to your questions in the next segment. Well, all that trailer Parity stuff turned you into this parody trailer voice guy right then turned you into this parody parody trailer voice guy In a commercial which is it's it's weird how it works because how did that happen when I first started with them? I didn't quite get the concept I thought that they were trying to trick people into thinking this was the real trailer for the movie Like they just pulled up some old trailer and then after a few seconds you realize Oh, they're actually, you know poking fun at all the obvious plot holes or whatever it is And then after the first when they're like it sounds too much like a real trailer. I'm like, oh, I get it. I'm making fun I'm making fun of my own self I'm not doing a real trailer. I'm making fun of my my own trailer voice So what are you working on?  I mean, you're you're yeah, well I kind of hours your work You guys get get the the news first How I don't know if you want to call it news or not since it's under non disclosure agreement But after 15 years from my very first booking, I finally booked a recurring character in a network animated series Cool. Well, excellent. I'm working for them every week I'm also working for marvel and for disney now for multiple projects Which is a really cool. They marvel freaking really cool to work with a great studio. They got their acting. Yeah, it was it I wish I could tell you how cool it was Um, and still doing dubbing still doing trailers Um, I did the voice for a toy recently, which was really really cool I wish I could say what it was, but I don't know when it's going to be out. All I know is I will be buying multiple of them Um, and I haven't booked a toy voice in a really long time. So that's pretty cool That was actually when my very first gigs 15 years ago. I was doing a voice for really it didn't come out for like three or four years But yeah, there's no Star Wars toys. Yeah, it was fun to go. I'm actually found one in freaking a goodwill or something And bought it for me like oh you found it. There's my voice in there. That's something I doubt too. It was only three dollars It was still in box though. It wasn't meh. Oh, wow. It wasn't All these nerds are like I mean, that's a good it I think it's really important in a career if you can put yourself in a lot of different places And a lot of different genres. I mean, you're like you have to in order to survive One man Um, you have to be good at more than one thing or be the very best at one thing in order to be able to make Enough money without any other career or side gig or whatever I mean, my my social media has blown up since my personal life has changed my my career has also blown up But I'm not seeing that those numbers translate into you can do money You know, I have videos that are in the 11 million range Two or three of them haven't monetized and they're monetized. There's just no money coming like I'm looking like oh Your estimated value is $1,200 and I'm looking there's like you've made 38 cents I'm like, okay Is there some kind of fee for being viral? Is that on youtube that's on tiktok and on instagram Several of them on both of those yeah tiktok's gonna go. I think the way of You know, well tiktok is they're not paying their talent. That's the problem Yeah, well, I mean, no, there's some people on there that have figured out how to do it And they're making really good money and it's just not me. They're not making it on tiktok I mean my girlfriend's over there kind of like looking around and they're like me But yeah, she's she's got a fraction of my followers. It's still amazing though She's getting and she's in the 50k range and she's making more money than I am with the 740 I think today when I checked 740k and I'm making pennies You have to use it. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong to just use it It's only for marketing. You know, it really is it really is just to like let people know that I exist I feel like that data those numbers look good for Potential like clients that you know, oh, this guy's got well known and so I mean We'll go somewhere like we went to Universal Studios a couple days ago and some guy with a mask And I have no idea it's like I feel like I know you I worked with you or something before and then she goes like Once again, we're talking with John Bailey who does everything apparently I'm a swiss army knife, man You have to be On camera commercials. Yeah, very rarely My agent thought that just because I booked a couple that like we're gonna be your on camera town. I'm like, yeah, okay Well, I remember the Toyota commercial you'd Mitsubishi Mitsubishi. Oh, some Japanese model. I was gonna say Be a tribute again, you guys would be failing so hard. I forgot my birthday I was in a Hyundai Toyota commercial Forgettable branding campaign ever Well, it was like 2018 though, so it's been a few years. I remember the campaign Well, I still remember what car was for. Yeah, exactly, but it was it was cross. I still remember Anyway, we'll talk about that and I'll show you a few other things along with your questions If you just throw them in the chat room right now and we will get to those right after this Important message from all of our wonderful sponsors. So don't go away. We'll be right back with John Bailey This is Bill Ratner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with Dan Leonard and George Wittem VOBS dot TV Have you noticed the increasing demands of clients regarding our home studios? Are they at a professional level to record VO for broadcast? 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We are back and we're also front Uh, we've got john bailey with us tonight and we are talking about What it really takes to succeed here in in la la land, which is everybody wants to come to hollywood And I you're gonna make a sink into the ocean go away Actually, the staff are the rain. It's like we're already thickened up Like it's just ready to fall in. No the stats would say the opposite actually people have been leaving californian troops So it's actually makes this lighter or more buoyant Yeah, I keep getting all these calls from my friends and buffalo saying you're snowed in in la. I'm like, no Yeah, those three or four flakes kept me from getting out of my driveway They don't know what a valley is. That's right. Absolutely Once again, if you got a question for john bailey about anything at all No, it's not anything at all. That's the That's really bad for some really bad questions Throw them in the chat room right now. We'll we'll get to those questions in this seven inches My microphone is seven inches long I'm glad you sold in the rest. Yes. I already played without even being asked. Alrighty I've got the first question is from glenn lindar. Mr. Widow. You have the honors Yes, glenn lindar says what to know want to know I can't see the first word in the sentence wants to know the proper protocol For marketing as well as getting representation If only we all knew boy, that's a one team question. Yeah, somebody's very Well, you can purchase coaching from There's no specific way to do something My my best advice that I give what I do coach, which you can buy right now Um, and I give you a lot more details about what I'm going to say Uh, is to just kind of have your brand be the same across the board Whatever whatever you have if it's for example, if it's v obs if it's vops, you have vops.com You have ad vops on platform platform platform Everything's ad vops. They'll make it add vops three four seven two three and make sure that your profile picture is the same on every single page Make sure that your demos are done your resume is done Your site looks like you've done like it make it look like you are a professional Voice actor because you're not going to get hired if you don't if you go If you have a website that looks like it was made by a fifth grader And it has one demo on it and it's a character demo when people are not most likely not going to hire you Unless you're willing to do some things that you may not be proud of later So I suggest having a commercial demo having a character demo and making sure that It sounds like you know what you're doing and it looks like you know what you're doing Even if you don't have that many followers if you have that brand down the profile picture looks the same People know how to find you very very simply and easily That is the that is the foundation For what was the word he used again protocol for the protocol of getting yourself out there as far as getting representation There's a lot of people that don't even have representation that do fine representation is a matter of choice Not necessary necessity Uh a good example bob and september carter. I know you guys know them right over in Atlanta September has made her whole living off of voice 123.com without even needing representation She's doing that herself and making very good money at it booking some very big jobs very big Games big movies big tv shows and you don't have to have representation If you think you need it, maybe you're not ready That's a good point, you know, I didn't even know I needed an agent at first I just did I did whatever was thrown my way and every time an opportunity came my way if it Didn't you know Violate how I personally felt or just seemed scammy or whatever I would be like sure I'll give it a shot and if it didn't work out that I learned my lesson If it did work out, you know, and it just led to a big break after big break But then my first manager, which I didn't even know most voice actors don't have a manager So like I said, there's there's multiple ways that people get represented.  Uh, I've never fired a manager before I switched managers. He actually recommended me to my current one He wasn't a manager himself. Like it was not his job. He was a trailer company So he just he just heard talent and he's like, I think we could work with you I think you could work with a producer and just kind of nail down that epic voice guide voice That's not that's not don't laugh on tape or Russian smooth. That's like my own version You know and uh, that's that first year. I was at that.  So he found the best in the business. Give me that's good. Yeah, so in other words It's a job. Yeah, it's almost like it's a career. I mean the voicing stuff That's the fun stuff that we get to do But the actual finding of work is really where you've got to put all the effort in because once you're inside the Booth, you know who you are once you're gonna and there's just there's so many options now for getting work online without an agent It's just right You a lot of people think that they have to have that because they just don't know any better They just think I have to go in and I don't know if I should even have to say it But there's this wonderful website call. I want to be a voice actor.com I feel like every one of your shows should be say before you ask any questions Check out. I want to be a voice actor.com literally because d. Bradley Baker did all the work for us already It's literally the FAQ of voice. It really is right all warm place. It really is Are you ready? You know and you were ready and you came I was I was a good amateur at first. I was I knew kind of what I was doing But I did not I did not polish it and perfect it until time and getting coaching I used to laugh at people are like you need coaching.  I could find out on the internet for free But then I found out that there's more than runs reason to get coaching And you can find out those reasons by hiring me for for voice over coaching All right. Well for example, daddy's got to pay for his new Lamborghini One example of what a coach did that changed the way you did something I'll give a good one. You've got an example on your wall over here. Debbie Dairyberry gave me the She had me come along. I wasn't participating in the in the coaching session I was just there at an observant observer Um at and can gooses Place way out and I don't drive that far because it's just good sand can I know another country is where it feels like And she let me like audit And I learned about pre and post life and I just never heard of that before I'd been doing a little bit of it Just naturally with some of the things I was just doing automatically Which is I started understanding with people's like you have natural ability you have natural talent I was doing some things. I just didn't know what they were called and then once I knew about it It's like oh now I can actually Consciously make sure that that's part of how I do my auditions and how I you know Yeah, so it's important to put the terminology with it. Yeah, and then actually have some examples It was like, oh, I didn't even think about you know the fact that post life and pre life Sometimes you can do both sometimes you can just one or the other the fact that you can use Improv and ignore punctuation. There's a lot of things that you can do to change up how you how you think about Doing something because you don't have the job yet, you know And I it took me a long time to even when I got the job to be like, can I just try something? You know, can I just do something that came up a month, you know and disney marvel or just like The last session I went to marvel they're like john, we really don't need to even give you direction Just do that just do your thing Just at that point like we're all going to lunch early guys. There's john bailey's here So yeah, you have to get to that point where you're that good and a lot of people don't understand That just because they take one coaching class or one or two coaching classes They're ready You know that you can't you can't learn everything in one or two sessions because the business is always changing And sometimes you need to get in front of the right people find the code that the The coaches that also are casting directors because they're gonna want they're gonna know what it is that you need to be doing in order to be Cast and it's not going to be I can do funny voices or I have a great voice So I should be a voice actor. I get I hear that at least one to three times a day Sometimes a dozen times a day. Sure. I literally did the coaching session yesterday I do this little 10 minutes of AM a ask me anything on five or for five bucks Because most people just they don't have my kind of coaching, you know requirements because my time Like I've already lost at least that $3,000 being here for an hour.  I was like, you know, you have you have to like Anyway, you get the point. Yeah So, yeah, I just people just don't know this stuff and they just assume. Yeah I mean people send us. I have a good voice, you know, like who said who said that and why did you believe them? People send us sound checks or oh, yeah That's my collection cup. Yeah, and I hear these files and I know exactly in that group who has coaches and who doesn't Yeah, I got you can you can you can tell natural ability? You can tell there's natural term, but you can tell somebody who knows what they're doing And like I said, there's a lot of great information I could give you but I cannot give it to you for free because it took me 15 years to learn it So you will have to hire me as a coach in order to learn all the things I can teach you On how to get booked. That's why you also that's why we all sell the services that we have We've spent many years accumulating knowledge We've been we spent years stealing this information from other coaches so we could sell it for ourselves No, no, you you know and re-packages With our own name and brand knowledge change the words around We're gonna have a circular temperature vortex in there. Did you drink a truth serum before you came over? I'm always You guys know that's what see that's part of the problem though with with voice over coaching is Most people are not blunt and they need they need charlie adler coaches They need people who will rip the band-aid off and not tell them what they want to hear Because you're giving people false hope when you tell people like oh, all you need to do is do more coaching Well, that might be true But you need to tell them why and you need to tell them what they are good at and what they are bad at and not Worry about telling them what they are bad at I've heard people say like well, if they're they're not any good.  I know that's not true because I've heard those same people say. Oh, well, she really needs my advanced class And it's only a thousand dollars So just you can teach people what to do and if people just don't have that knack There's the way to tell people that they can't you know I'll never forget. You know, alex whitesman from charlie adler's group He had a he had a guy that was on the spectrum come in and he was just not improving You could tell like he he had a great voice But I only first saw that guy getting cast as that one particular character Like that was the voice he could do He did not have the range to change that and do anything else Does that mean he'll never do a voice over? Absolutely not I think that anybody that wants to that has a drive and the determination to keep going at it Eventually he could be How many celebrities are just specifically for the way that they sound? Kristen Shaw is a perfect example. She's in gravity falls. She's in pops burgers. She has that specific voice that's It's distinguishable for all the voices and nobody can ever really do it.  Well, maybe you're just good at one thing Maybe you're good. Maybe you just haven't found that yet That's why you need to try coaching because there's coaches for every single thing in the industry Maybe you just need to find your niche But don't don't quit and give up unless you just are told by multiple professionals Hey, this is just not something you're good at try something else Because if you if you're if you're banging it at your head against a wall for years and years and years And nothing happens then you're probably not making any progress Which means it may just not be something that you can do I do think it does have I do think it's required to have some skill at it Like just to have some natural talent to it But I think it's a skill that anybody could learn if they know The techniques and they that's something that they can emulate when they're taught it Then you have a shot at this, you know, you just you just have to find a way to make it your own Be unique or do it better than everybody else does and sometimes that's a very difficult thing Which is why only those people at the very very top that little tiny circle book so much because they have learned How to get to that point to be the very best or be the most unique at something And then once people the people who are making things or casting for things They know that they're good. They don't even need to they don't need to audition. They know who they want It's like this smallest of people. I freaking want those folks. That's exactly what kevin smith did with he man He's like, I don't even need to guess. I just give me everybody that was from batman the animated series and we're good to go All right, we got a question from our own jeff holman jeff you have the floor Hey, what is that awesome moniker on your cool hat mean again? This is the mad brand co This is the m and the b and they do this really cool logo And this is called the epic hat that my girlfriend ordered for me for my birthday It's got my favorite color on it and it kind of goes with everything. So It is pretty cool. Um, they have all kind of cool hats I'm still waiting for them to make me a non snapback because I like the fitted stuff But I do like their logo and they're they they send these awesome hats and little wooden crates with a crowbar You can open it up. I don't know. Let's let's go see people like that I feel like any end of jones looking for, you know, just an unboxing experience. Exactly. It really is Now you've been doing some stand-up. Yeah, I've been doing stand-up for a minute Grace newtons wondering who did you coach with for comedy? I didn't He's just like uh, yeah, so these guys probably know because they're la flappers as this offer where you can do Uh, a practice stand-up session in front of two or three people who do this brute who do stand-up comedy professionally So I was like, well, I'd been there a few times. I'd been to the the talking tune stuff and I'd been to, um, The other one with the we talk funny and I performed there And while I was there for one of those things, I was like, you know, I want to sign up for one of these things I want to sign up for the little coaching that, you know, whatever So I put my name and number on there like, oh, and then like a week or two went by and they're like Oh, hey, we got a an opening if you want to come do stand-up on such and such a night. I'm like, okay, cool So how do you prepare for that? I mean, I didn't know I I didn't I never really done stand-up before that first time I'd hosted at mc'd.  So I've been on stage and I've done a little sometimes especially with cosplays. There's some there's some complicated crap So getting them on stage sometimes take a hot minute and So I would like have to fill in some funny whatever stuff and sometimes it would bomb horribly And but I wasn't really doing stand-up.   I It was opposite of sweat. My body went cold. I got super pale.  So I literally just said I was like, ah, he has kids In the whole room just like cracked up laughing. I was like, okay, we're all right And because I don't the only reason why I sat down because I really thought I was gonna pass So You so I uh use so I just kind of and I didn't know where the red they said to look for the red light I didn't know where the red light was. I didn't know where to look apparently I'd gone way over Finally saw somebody by the door like waving me down the room's pitch black Right And it was so funny because afterwards but everybody was like, oh, that's such a great set. I'm like that was a set And other people like I'm not told and they're like that was my very first time doing stand-up A lot of people like really like that's the first time doing this And it didn't so a lot of people didn't think I had never done it before and I had I don't know if you know Erica Rhodes. She does the sad sad lemons and she's she's from local here I performed Uh with her and I'd seen her before because her uncle was garrison keeler and he was in town And if you don't know, uh, oh show we used to listen to the radio prayer room companion And amazing voice too, which is one of the reasons why I knew him and the sound guy the sound guy From that show I listened to him on fisher price of reading rainbow He does all the sound effects with his mouth not michael windslow. It's a real white-haired guy Uh, anyway, so I I was going to that and wait at somebody had brought me to see her show And then when I saw that she was on the ticket I'm like, oh, it's a professional comedian that she'd been on NBC because I was like, hey Can you give me feedback tonight? Because it was only my third time doing this And I had tried something new that was and went horrible I tried to do like audience interaction thing and tried to like come up and tell me what you do And I tried to make a trailer out of it and kind of like the pranks that we done Well, and it did not go the rest of it went fine, but that part was kind of okay So I asked her after she's like actually if if you just rearranged your your stuff a little bit better That was a really good. I'm like, okay. Well, that comes from a professional person That I know has done this for a living. So I didn't feel too bad. Like I was doing horribly And then it just got kind of it got kind of easy when I realized I couldn't because that was the night I tried to like memorizing set up set up punch line set up started reading I didn't I can't do it that way.  I just can't I have to just tell my freaking funny stories And find some funny segue to go in between whatever you're not steve martin. No, no, he is He rehearses everything everything's to the no, there's no rehearsal for me. I do that all blind all completely Raw up there whatever freaking if it bombs it bombs if it does it's Jim Carrey style really without all the physical stuff involved and I uh I kind of just Feel the room out too because I feel like when you're doing stand-up comedy, it's not about your material It's about what they're in the mood to laugh at right and you can always tell when a Crowd is a little more into the adult humor as opposed to whatever and I try to keep it on the clean side But I do have a a censored version of 50 shades of Winnie the Pooh See that's all I have to say that people automatically start laughing Oh, I was like, well you change out Christopher Robin with christian gray And suddenly Christopher Robbins red balloon spraying free whole bother and just I read actual I read I read the actual lines from The freaking book and it's so bad and one of the pooh's voice is just so much fun here Yeah So just a little weird stuff like that But I try not to do things where because I've seen voice actors or people that do voices when they do stand-up And it's like I have to find a way to force voices into this So they chew on them in like this reminds me of that one character that I do and then I'm going to do it Or this one guy's there. I can't remember what actor it was But this is I've had more than one people show me this Where literally all he would would do is say and this voice actor is doing this and then or this This character doing this and he does that thing or this is what it sounds like when Character x and character y are doing it and I'm like, this is Lowest hanging fruit like this is the worst use of voices in comedy I feel like it should come naturally if it doesn't come naturally you don't do it Right. Yeah. So sometimes may improvise my my my comedy is just Whatever pops in my head at the time I tell the story about when I went to the universal for the very first time And I was hoping to ride the harry potter I I did not know that the harry potter ride was made in china for for smaller people It was literally fitted for chinese children and not american adults and at the time I was very tight 280 pounds at the time. I mean something 280 290 And I uh, I went in the road. We waited through that line. I didn't have a fast pass I we waited in line for an hour and 15 minutes and if you know the ride I was to the sorting hat That's how close I was to getting on the ride. It's right around the corner from there They don't have like the thing at the airline. We have to fit your carrying. You're you're getting we're getting there That's that's the front of the line. This this tweenish looking young lady Carons me to the side. It's like, excuse me, sir. Have you tried our test seat? I'm like, you have a test seat? I didn't And so I went to the test seat which is right there around the right in front of the sorting hat And the literally the next corner is the ride you get on at that point and the light didn't go blue and she's like I'm sorry sir And she like Game of Thrones shames shames me back through the line All the way back to the front entrance from there Now what you may not know if you don't live here is that there's a waiting room right there around the corner That I could have waited for my friend to ride the ride and literally takes you back to the gift shop Instead of walking all the way back through there a borderline with her going shame shame Shaming you with a wand it's felt that way And then I lost like 60 something pounds and I came back and as I'm coming to the thing There's a test seat right there right there in the front of the building. Yeah, but nice to know about there was The little thing that I just thought of about the fact that there was a that was a test seat I didn't notice and I just threw in a little bit of like that. I've been nice to know the first time By the way, it gave me a lot of embarrassment.  You just go into the locker. We have fast passes. So we just John it is always a pleasure that you're here. It's always good to see you Awesome. Thank you. Alrighty. Peace. Yeah, thanks for all Thanks for your energy. Yeah Anyway, she gave me caffeine before I get oh excellent We'll be right back to wrap things up and rack it up for tech talk right after this. 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What a guy Just pull string and and let him go Yeah, I know anyway next week on this very program All you have to do is watch tech talk number 98 That's right 98. It's the next one. Yeah, and we're gonna have a lot of great stuff to talk about so Stay tuned for that. You got a question. You can still ask your question if you got a tech question about your home voiceover studio Now would be a good time to throw it in the chat room so jeff holman can get it to us Before his next no, I feel bad. John didn't really properly get to plug his coaching No, not at all I mean he kept teasing it, but he never really really easy to find i mean j o n b a i l e y just google them. Okay, you'll find his coaching. All right So you're doing stuff on tech talk you making any money with that? No No, in fact, I've lost momentum. I I just The last month has been launching a new website, you know, you're very full Aware of what that takes right and debugging it and finding every little thing that drives me crazy about the new website All the things that you guys see pretty much were solidified quite a long time ago, right?  It's been built by skills hub And skills hub dot life dot life is the actual company. They're they're a coaching platform for voiceover But they also built the platform that my new website at george d.tech runs on And it's been an amazing learning experience and we've got I think a much better place to be great It's a more comfortable place to operate. It's easier for the actors to use So come check it out. And if you want to get a deal everybody wants a deal You go to gtt To the number two wrote to numeral two point p o i n t oh h gtt 2.0 and that gets you 20 off on anything on the website until the end of march cool All right. Hey, there are people that donate to our show to make sure that it is technically magnificent technically Yeah, like we have uh See the bristol group Mm-hmm grace newton robert leadham steven chandler kasey clack jonathan grant tom pinto Greg thomas a doctor voice ant land productions martha con 949 designs christopher epperson sarah borges philips appear brian page patty gibbons rob rider Or rater depending on where you are uh, shawna pennington baird don griffith Trey moseley trey how you do and diana birdsall and sandra menreweather You got it finally you finally were able to pull that up and We need to thank our sponsors, too Like uh harlan hogan's voiceover essentials voiceover extra source elements vio heroes dot com voice actor dot com and world voices dot org the industry association of freelance voice talent reminding you to go to wovo con may fifth Through seventh in orlando Right. Yeah Hey go go to world dash voices dot org and learn all about it join the organization Because it's it's it's a different type of voice conference. It's not like big commercial thing, but we'll talk more about it Cool. All right. We also need to thank uh, jeff holman who just gets it done with all the questions from people calling in and writing in and typing in and uh, of course Driving herself nuts over there is sue merlino Whose mouse my mouse died on her while she was doing it. She's like All right, what's this gonna work? You wouldn't even know it. No, you wouldn't know from watching this. That's right And and of course lee penny for being lee penny. Well That's gonna do it for this particular show. We're gonna re-rack it for tech talk Don't go away if you're watching us live if you're watching this in replay You didn't get the chance to ask your questions. Um So stay tuned for that. Anyway, this is not an easy business Listen to john bailey. It's hard work to get it done But the bottom line is if it sounds good, it is good. I'm dan Leonard and i'm george wittem And this is voiceover body shop or v.o be Good night everybody On the plastic I need someone who's strong to help me lift this. Okay, i'll get it Is People are watching this Oh, they know where do you want it moved to? We'll put it here for now and then put it back over there Do you want me to move these cords back? Yeah All right, this is gonna be a great tech talk everybody don't go anywhere I hope we got good questions because I only got that much to talk about That's fine. I got stuff to talk about good Thanks, jeff. Sure He still wants to come back in come on Good girl. That's a good girl. All right. I'm just gonna throw a show go for it. All right All right This is thing too low or too high or What he went to the bathroom. What you want to come up here? I will feed you in a little bit. Um I can I was gonna throw up one thing about bone conduction headphones But I can just I can throw that up here Whoosh like the wind see I'll have it put together Screen So I can show that Why is this shutting off because the computer's going to sleep Is the computer going to sleep is that one? No, it's just it just decides that it wants to not work anymore. Oh Oh, can we switch my cables real quick? No, no more my cables with those silver connectors. They're always a problem Noi trick only I will actually Is that better? Yes, I'll tell you in a moment. Okay. One two three four one two. Okay. Good clean as a whistle Oh, that's what I like a clean whistle. We want it clean as a clean whistle Anyway, uh, okay. Are we ready about 10 after the hour here? So we'll keep it short I don't have that much to talk about this is making front of my face It's 98 98. Yeah All right, we'll just we'll just act don't worry about Okay, okay that helicopter is cleared All right, he's not me before we're ready to go Are we ready? Good to go. I'll count you in and five this camera two Okay Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk Tech talk tech talk tech talk now. Jeff says tech talk tech talk tech talk We got lots of tech to talk about Uh, you got a couple of things I got a I want to talk about sound treatment a little bit something acoustic treatment acoustic Talk, okay, cool You know, so that that'll be that'll be interesting wax poetically on that for a long time Right. And if you have a question about home voiceover studios, you know You don't get the chance to talk to two experts that actually know more about this than just about everybody else because and for free Yeah, really. I mean you can hire us, but we're giving you the information here that you need But then again, you got to learn how to do it and having the equipment isn't necessarily What makes you good? So anyway people are also upgrading equipment upgrading the equipment that they have no business upgrading to because they feel My career requires me to upgrade now And then they buy things and they have no idea why they bought them and yeah Alrighty, so if you got a question about stuff like that or anything else with it regarding voiceover technology Put it in the chat room whether you're watching on facebook live or youtube live Or on cbs, you know, they might pick us up if their Sucks anyway voiceover body shop tech talk right now Tech talk Brought to you by voiceover essentials.com the home of harlan hogan signature products Source elements the makers of source connect voiceover heroes become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor websites.com where your voice actor website doesn't have to be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success And world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts dan and george Hey there i'm dan lennard and i'm george widam and this is voiceover body shop or vo b s tech talk tech talk tech talk Tech talk not tick talk tech talk. That's right. We may talk about tick talk But but tick talk don't have tech talk. That's right and the audio and tech talk and tick tick talk is Really bad. It is okay. I'm in one of those moods tonight. So Oh tick tock. Yes. Anyway, um This is a show about home voiceover studios. You want to talk about a niche It's you know in the entire world of subject matter. It's a niche But when you only have a couple of big fish swimming in this little lake You're gonna get all the right information because you and I have built Probably close to a thousand studios or more. Yes. I mean we've both been doing this for over like 15 years and You learn stuff. I mean we knew what to do when we started and then you go through everybody's place And it's like well Well, this could be like this that could be like that You know, I was it that was a young lady's house this week and she's like should I be in this closet or that closet? And it's like well This one is bigger This one has more crap in it This one has an air conditioning vent. Yeah, there's that But you have to you don't you don't know those things until you go in there and hear it, you know Sniff around a bit, right? I mean and she was telling me how some panel company I won't mention who was came in and they've got all these calculations and they're measuring the whole thing and I'm like You don't need all that over thinking it and you know what a lot of times those those companies They do all these measurements, right? They actually don't know how to properly acoustically treat a small booth You know why because the math doesn't work This the physics models of acoustics don't apply to small rooms So they just even if they do all the measurements, it don't matter What matters is experience exactly knowing what works and what you hear, right, you know My ears are still pretty sharp. Don't tell my wife, but they're still pretty sharp I can hear things. I'm like there's a note over here anyway, you want our expertise because We know what's going on and you can work with either one of us Sometimes you end up working with both of us because you'll like ask a question on here I'm like, well, what do you think that we should I don't know if I believe that guy. I'm gonna hire that other guy exactly But if you want to work with George, all you got to do is go over to George the tech we have a shiny new website And you'll notice there's a tremendous amount of options of services over there We now have services for every popular doll So if you are if you want somebody that really knows their thing when it comes to a w-edition The people that are available that to hire in our website are specifically Experts in a w-edition including dan So you'll be able to hire those folks directly through our site and get the help you need on the schedule that works for you at George the tech and dan Has this world happening over at home voice over studio dot com I mean, oh, you would have killed to have that one. But what are you gonna do? I I've had too many brands already in the last 15 years. Well, at least I stay consistent Yeah, if you go over to home voice over studio dot com one of the first things you will see And I'm I've been thinking about it is my specimen collection come And I wonder if people see the humor in it or they're like, well, that's this got thing I hope they get the humor Anyway, you click on the specimen collection cup and it opens up a drop box where you can place an mp3 of your audio You follow my instructions because I'm looking for very specific things. I need to hear the background noise I need to hear you talking on your microphone and then I need to hear more of your background noise So I can compare all these things. Yep. And we need both folks. Don't send in just room tone Right. We need to hear a voice. We need to hear signal and the noise Exactly. And you'd be amazed at what we can find from there There are things that are I'm finding are consistent in a lot of people's audio But a lot you can tell the size of the room they're in. Oh, oh easily easily. Yeah Within a probably a small or margin of error if it's badly treated. Yeah, which we will talk about in a little bit, uh, but yeah, it's um There are a lot of techniques for getting a room to sound the way it's supposed to But you have to go into each individual one because every voice is different every room is different and Everyone has to be When we say it has to be custom built It doesn't mean that you've got to bring in a crew and it's like, okay, we're going to measure this and do all that No, it's more a matter of Trying to keep it as simple as possible. So you're not spending a fortune on stuff Especially if after a while you're like, yeah, voiceover is not for me You're not investing in a tremendous amount in it if you start making money Then you can upgrade things a little bit, but we'll also talk about that a little bit Speaking about talking about a little bit of things. What's in your tech update this way? Well, I mean in absolutely zero particular order, uh, starting off I think it was I think it was Jason linear white. It was on the show about a month ago Mentioned bone conduction headphones. So I've started looking into it. I haven't bought any yet. Um, but they the brand the brand apparent the brand It's kind of like the one that is the Kind of the innovator in this space is called shocks used to be called aftershocks And you can buy their open run for example for well, roughly $130, right? But of course like many different technologies, especially bluetooth There are plenty of knockoffs And so you might want to consider looking at some of the less or less expensive ones that are like on things like amazon If you're on a budget and you don't want to invest in something that you're kind of dubious as to how useful it is So why would you want these things? The idea is kind of the best of both worlds. It's the pros of wearing headphones meaning You can hear communication. So if you're on a phone patch, you're being directed you're on zoom Source connect whatever you can hear them speaking to you So and and you're you've got it it goes with you. You can physically move around because it's bluetooth Yeah, I know people who ski with these things Absolutely. Yeah, it also has the added benefit of not plugging your ears So it's not yeah here anything going around around you, right? And it's not so it's not really like wearing headphones because what you Don't listen to on these bone conduction headphones is yourself the whole point is to Only use these to hear what's playing back and So that's really nice because now when you're performing you don't have that feedback loop into your headphones You don't have your ear canals being plugged within your monitors or some kind of thing Which changes the way you hear yourself, right? So your ears can hear you can hear your voice in the natural way your voice sounds the way it should be, right? And and so you have this way of monitoring only things that you really need to hear Which would be like let's say you're doing punch and roll of an audiobook You can hear the pre-roll, right? You're being directed you can hear the director, right? But you don't hear anything else you don't need to hear including yourself And I think that's a really interesting thing to to consider and I would be loving I would love to hear in the comments on facebook or youtube Who has tried these right and found these to be really useful be no feedback either No feedback in front of a mic and it wouldn't it wouldn't feedback. That's right So so i'm curious to see if you've tried them before what was your experience? Let us know down below in the comments because I I would love to hear How people have used them and if if i'm getting a lot of good feedback about them I'll start recommending them to our clients. Excellent So that's that's kind of a different direction to go with headphones I'm coming up also my cables We all deal with my cables this studio We've got a lot of cables because we have a lot of microphones a lot of leftover cables And a lot of leftover cables and what we find is that the cables that we have the most trouble with Dan Where's the one that we just unplugged? Let's use oh here it is They tend to have a connector that looks like this. Can we try this camera? Maybe this one gives us a better A better view of it soon They tend to have this kind of a connector now This is an old fashion design connector from the original was made by I think switchcraft. Does that sound right? Yeah And the problem with these is a lot of them the wiring inside is terminated with little Screws instead of actually being soldered in place. That's one problem Which guarantee is going to cause loose connections The other thing I've noticed with these is I don't know if it's a shielding issue But these tend to allow more rfi and noise to get in Versus the noi trick style connectors now the noi trick ones And it's one on dan's mic right here. There's one on my mic actually actually have a good look at it right here This is this is a noi trick style. This is actually a noi trick brand connector And they seem to have a better a better better termination with the cable Pardon me better termination better solder joints And they seem to be they seem to hold up to a lot more abuse Yeah soldering these things is a nightmare. Yeah, these I don't know what it is about these types of connectors But the ones that have give us the most trouble overall look kind of like this. So when you're looking at my cables Gravitate though the ones that have the connectors that look like this the noi trick style They tend to just be a lot more robust and more reliable And I think the connector is probably the most important thing of all out of my cable Here's another thing There seems to be a gap between the outside and the inside wiring. Oh, you can almost feel it twisting around inside Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. And that could be you know, what it is is in this case probably It's a thin outer rubber coating with a big airspace inside where the wiring inside floats around right So that's probably what's going on. I don't know if that's why It was giving us trouble But when you squeeze one of these high quality whirlwind, this is a whirlwind You can feel it has a lot of it's substantial. You're not squeezing the thing It's got a very heavy coating and it's got a very good Shielding and the shielding is that metal foil that's on the outside keeps the rf from getting into you Yeah, so important. So when you're looking at cables, it's not really how expensive it is It's the quality of the connectors and it's the quality of the shielding Um, and so yeah, you can spend 60 to 80 dollars for one mic cable if you get like a mogami gold But if you start googling and look for the words like Neutric Belden or mogami and look for other mic cables You'll find some out there that are about half that price That still have those important features Right, so gotta stop buying these at all electronics around the corner Yeah, some of them some of them come from china. They're just designed to be cheap And they forget some of the important details that make a cable reliable Next up going into the software side of things I've recently started playing around with waves plugin called studio rack And what's cool about it or has multiple layers of coolness But one of the main things that I love about studio rack is it is free first of all It's absolutely a free plugin I have it installed here on twisted wave so I can throw a screenshot so you guys can see what it looks like So it runs on twisted wave. It really runs on absolutely any DAW Let's go to window and twisted wave and now Now you should see My whole twisted wave window as well as the studio rack plugin me You got to hire me again.  That's a not a free one but a cheap one Every plugin in here is a free plugin tdr nova denoiser from burtom denoiser Loud max which we're all quite familiar with for setting your output level your your Makeup gain and then when I threw on the end called dp meter It's a little bit like the waves meter, but you know, it's it's a free meter And so I was able to put together a completely free chain of plugins that you can now Install in another DAW I could take this same rack And then install it on adobe edition Or audacity and I will get back exactly the same settings everything and it's portable from system to system The next part that's cool about it Is this macro area these macro knobs? I can set up knobs that do specific jobs. So for example You don't have to understand that a low cut filter is go to td tdr nova Pardon me a lot of dust in the air. I don't know what it is I don't have to know to go into this kind of complicated looking plugin to go find the hp or high pass filter plugin And learn how to Excuse me And learn how to dial this thing in because if somebody like george set it up for you Now you can turn the low cut filter knob that's been predetermined to adjust exactly that Tool and now you'll be able to adjust the tdr nova high pass filter without having to understand how the tdr nova high pass filter works You don't have to open this Go over here and turn this knob. I don't have enough room. Maybe I can make these work But what happens? Oh, look at that when I turn the low cut filter knob I'm actually adjusting the high put high pass filter cutoff Right going from like 80 hertz to 100 hertz to 120 and and this is all real time If you're playing back your track, you will hear the effect in real time as you adjust it And as you can see looking at all these knobs, I have one for reduced noise Now this is tied to the denoiser plugin, right? And it's adjusting the threshold I have one for warm which adds sort of a low frequency warmth, right? I have a bright which adds some top end et cetera, et cetera all these knobs and they're predetermined to do certain features So you don't have to Understand the minutia. You don't have to be afraid To actually adjust your settings, but you got to know what to listen for That's right. And that's the beauty of this instead of having Potentially 77 parameters to play with You can have six or eight and now there's far far less controls Do you ever go into a car museum and you see a Model T?  These things were really complicated to drive back then because they didn't know how to automate a lot of things like choke and everything else As cars got more modern choke became automatic There's a lot of things in a modern car now electric cars are the logical conclusion, you know You just press it's like a golf cart you press the pedal and it starts to go, right? This is where we're trying to go. This is where I'm trying to go with this processing, right? Where it's not a Model T anymore. You don't have to understand how adjust the timing the spark All this other stuff you can just get in and drive. That's the idea and that's what's so cool about studio racks, so I'm looking forward to making more use of that and Showing more folks how to use it and I've set up a studio rack service on the website Where you can actually get that set up for you very very last thing I'll jump into real quick jump in and out Do you know twisted wave has a video editing function? I've heard that And I use twisted wave. I just haven't had the occasion to use it yet Well, I'll tell you the video editing function is nice because if you're doing self tapes and you want to edit something up Really quickly. It's a very quick way to just chop up something and take out the dead space, right? It's beautiful for that But why I found the other hidden benefit of the twisted wave video editing isn't the video editing at all It's the audio processing So you've recorded something on your iphone or your camera and there's rumbling background noise because the air conditioning The heater was on There's you know, it sounds a little bit thin or whatever it is It's hard to use the processing tools in In uh, let's say for example iMovie they're not that great. They're not very intuitive blah blah blah Now you can drag that video clip into twisted wave and use the processing in twisted waves I think is more intuitive. Yeah, especially if you have a stack made for you for your video editing And now you just drag your video in apply a processing stack appropriate for the for the video production And then save the video again, and you don't have to know oh, wait a minute now that i'm saving the video again What resolution am I supposed to save it at? It allows you to what bit rate am I supposed to do? You don't have to think about it It's just going to it's just going to use the same settings that the original video had So it takes away a ton of that annoying video stuff You know, there's too many settings in video software because you have to worry about the video and the audio Twisted wave just I think just makes it so elegant and easy to get an file in Do a little audio cleanup get it back out again and not worry about loss of video quality You know bit rate settings and all this other stuff. So I thought that was a really I just I've been playing with it more I found it to be a really useful sort of side effect of having a Audio slash video editor like twist it right if you do a lot of video editing You know if you're doing a lot of video because everybody's doing video these days. Yeah, it's probably a very valuable tool I mean, I love twisted wave because it's just so simple. It's it's it is the simple audio editing twisted wave equivalent for video Right. I don't know of anything that's more Efficient and easy to operate everything else is Um considerably more complicated and people are very thankful when we recommend it I wish we had a nickel for every time we've sold a copy of that Well, we just we we get it back because we give up the right advice for the right tools and it comes back around And we get to thank thomas the developer of twisted wave. He is the man. Thank you thomas. You're awesome Yeah, that's a that's a great program. I actually used it this way I mean I usually use adobe audition for everything But if it's a long format thing Just let it roll. It's not gonna I mean not that anything it's gonna make my computer sweat We've got those mac minis with the m1 chip. Yeah, the m1 chips are smoking fast But I but I've gotten used to you used to wave and you know, just you could take a file and throw it in something else That's the other thing. It's a lot of people are like Well, oh, how I I want to use this program But I got to do it through this to do that and I'm like You take the file and you put it in the other one Yeah, twisted wave is not good for over thinkers Like if you're like I want to know every single parameter I need to I need under No, it's good for very efficient workflow. It's like it's it's a switchblade You know, it's on a swiss army knife so to speak. So that's what I love about. Anyway, sound treatment acoustics Yeah, I what have you been dealing with lately? Well, I've I've had a it's been a week of People as you just mentioned who overthink things. Mm-hmm. There's Everybody's they read too much They ask a lot. I mean, it's important to ask questions Sure, but they ask questions of people who don't give them the right answers. Yeah, you know, don't ask on facebook Somebody told me that dot dot dot I heard that dot dot dot right. Oh, I get that four or five times a day. Yeah One of the things that I keep hearing and hearing badly Uh people not understanding the physical difference between soundproofing and sound treatment Yeah, you know, it's like, you know, should I put more or Alex to keep to isolate myself more? Yeah, yeah, no They are two Very different physical things, right? You have when it comes to the acoustics of your room, which George and I agree is by far the most important thing That happens with your your audio Because if it's clean on the outside when you're doing it It saves you so much trouble on the back end because you don't really have to do a whole lot to it if you if you record it, right? Yeah Isolation requires a number of things mass thickness Being far away from noise You know, like if you're if you live under a you know the runway of an airport Not a great place to be doing voiceover. It's going to be expensive Right, let's put that one. Well, I know it can be done. Can be if you want to spend the money That's right You know and as I always like to say you live where you choose to live Yeah, and if you want to do voiceover, you better choose a good place You know out in the woods is a good place Out in the cow pasture is a good place You know just the occasional moo every now and then but Soundproofing is a is not easy And it is by far the most expensive part of having a home voiceover studio Yeah, so one of the things we recommend is well one find a good closet that has Doesn't have an exterior wall, right? It doesn't have a window Got to deal with the closet that has a window got to do a window plug in there I mean it's like right on third avenue. It's like Both ways and you know, it's tough to an apartment a lot of times those closets a share a wall with the corridor, right? Exactly. Yeah clunk clunk clunk and yeah, or somebody else flushing a toilet or something like that, right? so You you have a couple of choices when it comes to soundproofing one you can spend a crapload of money On something something good like this video brooks. Yeah, or you know whisper room or You know vocal booth. I mean there's a lot of companies and there's obviously more now I think people need to understand this simple concept about booths They were never designed to do voiceover. They were designed to prevent and somebody actually called me about this this week I yeah, I'm gonna be doing voiceover, but I have to I have to practice my my saxophone so, um That I want to bother my roommates. Mm-hmm. Well, you need something like that to do that Well, that's the thing is most of those iso booths. I think it would get into are better At keeping the sound in the booth as opposed to then they are keeping sound on getting into the booth Exactly outside and that's right that studio bricks is one of the few companies that give you test data Showing both both types of isolation right both sound Originating outside and getting in and sound Originating inside and getting out and you'll notice that the booth has pretty different levels of performance for those two things And the guy who started studio bricks started it because he's a saxophone player. It's a play saxophone. So it makes no sense So you either invest in a booth or you find the right closet and then you talk to you or I and we're like, okay Here's how you isolate yourself better One of the things that one of the sounds that comes in more than anything else aside from air conditioning and furnaces is refrigerators It's like why I you can look at it on a waveform. You can look at it a spectrogram It is a a steady mechanical noise You know below 180 Hertz or thereabouts And how do you deal with it? Well, you can filter it out because it usually your voice doesn't even I think it's one of the more Kind of easier type of things to filter out, but I've learned to recognize it. Yeah here And I'm like well, of course, you don't even hear it, but it shows up on the meter because It's actually pretty loud You know if you have you know elephant hearing I suppose um, but isolation is important Soundproofing is preventing sound from coming into where your microphone is right. All right, right The other part of this is sound treatment, right? And That requires a lot of different things Because you can use materials that you have sitting around the house to do it a duvet come true duvet cover killer Just fabulous. I call it practical acoustic treatment. Exactly. You know, it's like what you have right because no one needs to see How the sausage is made if it sounds good It is good. That's right. So that's the important thing There are there are products, you know, we've got um, uh, audio mute and uh, you know vocal booth to go makes Makes the producer's choice And those work really really well, but they're not really that cheap So if you're just starting out use what you got You know to put it on the walls all duvets from goodwill Exactly or even old curtains work real old draperies. Yeah heavy stuff But the thing is heavier the better you got to drape it Because not only does it have that we're pleading. That's right. So it you know it will diffuse the sound So it bounces and then it gets absorbed. Yeah, but there's a difference between soundproofing And sound treatment and the next person says i'm going to get some foam To soundproof my studio soundproof home.com. It's yeah, it's It's not gonna help. Yeah, that one's been driving me nuts lately. Yeah. Well, okay It's been driving me nuts for about 15 years. Yeah, since ever since we've learned of the difference ourselves Right, exactly. It's been driving us nuts. Yeah. Anyway, so that's that's my little rant for this week So learn that get it in your heads. There's a difference between soundproofing and sound treatment Thank you, dan. You're welcome. All right, we got more to come. Uh, do we got any questions there, jeff? Oh, we've got them All right We're gonna get to those right after these very important messages So do not go away from voiceover body shop tech talk This is the latin lover narrator from jane the virgin anthony mendez and you're enjoying dan and george on the voiceover body shop Have you noticed the increasing demands of clients regarding our home studios? Are they at a professional level to record vo for broadcast? 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I've stopped coughing now. Good. Good I have a whisper room Booth in the basement of my house I have taken care to use double sheet rock on the ceiling above my whisper room And plan to add mass loaded vinyl to that construction as well To help mitigate footfall noise footfall noise foot foot. Oh footfall noise. Yes footfall noise. Yes But An idea hit me Would there be any benefits surrounding my whisper room With mlv instead if I don't necessarily need the whole basement to be sound treated Can essentially place the mlv either inside or outside the walls of the whisper room And achieve some of the same benefit and ultimately take it with me if I move Rather than installing it permanently in the ceiling above me Wow, you're going to need a crane to get it out there mlv is heavy so every heavy stuff typically it's one pound per square foot Right, it's pretty heavy stuff. It's close to as heavy as like a sheet of drywall So mlv there's a lot of misconceptions about what mlv is good at and what it's not right or mostly what they think it's good at What here's where you don't want to use mlv. This is where it's a big waste of money Putting it flat up against a sheet of drywall Or putting it between two pieces of drywall just making a sandwich, right? This is not A good use of mlv if you're going to spend that kind of money You're not getting the maximum benefit if you're going to just sandwich it I hit this mic again. This is why we put mics up here folks. That's right only for on camera. Do I do this? The whole point of mlv is that it's allowed to be left limp It's limp. So mass loaded vinyl is flimsy. It's flexible And it does its job when it's allowed to be limp So if you have it flat against something just glued to a wall Or just stuck to something else you might as well just have another layer of sheet Rock it at the cost of sheet rock Way cheaper than the same amount of mass loaded vinyl easier to work with it's easier to work with Yeah, absolutely And you're going to get the benefit the only way you're going to get benefit truly the maximum benefit of mlv is to mount it to studs Like in a in a wall cavity Where there's a space between the stud and the drywall where that material is allowed to sort of Essentially limp lee hang there limp mass And then you want to airtight seal the perimeter all the way around it That's when you get the full maximum effect out of mlv Only when you use it in this way and I've only learned this in the last four or five years Getting to talk to some really Much more experienced acousticians than I have I've learned that this is really where mlv shines This is what it's really made to do Will you get benefit sticking on the wall of your booth? Yeah, maybe height but a little bit expensive for doing that Oh, it's a lot of money for what it is You might as well just literally sheet the outside of your whisper room with another later drywall and just Just to give you more mass. I mean, but footfall noise is by far the most difficult thing to eliminate Really, it really is we have gone To great lengths to eliminate footfall people walking around upstairs From going into a wall Coming out through the ceiling coming into your whisper room or any kind of booth for that matter It is by far the most complex and challenging thing to eliminate completely I know how to do it because I've worked for the best guys in the business when it comes to figuring out isolation for vibration and other things and I we have systems there's It's sort of the turducken approach or the belt and suspender You've got multiple layers of things that are all working Together but one thing like mass sort of vinyl on its own Whether you attach it to the wall above the inside of your booth or the outside Is going to give you very very little improvement not enough to justify the car like an onion or a russian doll Yeah, well, there you go. I like the russian doll one. Yeah, absolutely All right, thanks for the question, uh, daniel and don't overthink that one Yeah, and if and if you're realizing that the cost is not making sense Or if you want to find out how to make use of the stuff because you already You already bought it Then reach out to me. I'll I'll help you come up with a plan All right. All right next Jeff Holman has a product question our very own Should I swing the mic around to jeff for sure? All right What do you think of the apple watch and what do you think about the ultra versus the regular? All right. Well my wife and I got her gonna apple watches for our anniversary a couple years ago I used it for a while And it started to bother me because It sometimes it would you could answer the phone with sometimes you couldn't Sometimes suddenly you hear someone talking to you over it Sometimes there was all sorts of weird stuff and i'm like there's a clock on the wall I have my iphone. Why do I need it to be connected to this thing? Yeah, there were things I did like about it How about the ekg functionality? Did yours have that it did? Yeah, but You know, I figure if i'm still breathing it doesn't really matter So I you know, I I'm I'm I wasn't really sold on it. It it was neat. It was like, oh, I don't have to answer the phone I just go, you know dick tracy calling joe jitsu or whatever It was fun But it was more of an annoyance to me than anything else But I think to some people who are who can multitask like that And and and understand how to use wearable technology like yeah, and that was probably one of the first real pieces of wearable technology The really good one. Yeah, really good. I mean it works But programming it and you know just putting the mickey mouse face on it was tough You know, and then suddenly you do an update like where's mickey mouse? Where'd he go? Yeah, I I mean it's a good question. Jeff. I mean neither of us are wearing one right? I I don't have one And believe me Trust me. I've thought about it many times, especially when the ultimate came out The thing that the the ultimate $800 the thing it was missing was the feature that I wanted it to have that the phones now have Which is this gps two-way communication For someone that goes out mountain biking and is off the l i'm completely off the 5g lte network a lot The San Gabriel mountains all that stuff's off the grid like you are offline all the time And it's it's stressful for your your lovely partner at home Is wondering when the heck you're coming home? Where are you? Are you alive or handlebars? Right. And so so the iphone 14 has that feature But the ultra watch doesn't now if the ultra watch had it and I bet the next one probably will That's a lot more compelling because it's built into the watch. It's all new all the time And that feature I think would be kind of worthwhile But that's the problem. The problem is and I love tech But I think I would be futzing with that thing constantly. I think I would be that's what I didn't like fiddling with it Wanting to look at it. It's bad enough that the phone is this constant addiction to hold it I think I would just be using it constantly Um, the one thing that I that would use I might buy like a cheap used one just for this one thing And that is it can be a second screen for your camera on your phone So if you're doing self tapes with an iphone, right?  You can't hit record, etc But with the watch you can preview the camera on the watch and hit record on the watch That is like to me the killer. That's the killer app. That's the one thing that would can I would Maybe I'll get like the apple watch three on ebay, you know, just to have that feature But I don't think I would wear it all the time. I wear a garmin watch when I go mountain biking. It's cheaper It's lighter the battery lasts for a week I don't have to think about it. It tracks my ride. It does what it needs to do It has heart rate tracking and stuff. So it's I don't know. I'm so tempted but it's it's gadget Too much gadget get a fit bit Well, yeah, again, my garmin was like 90 dollars and it does just enough stuff Yeah, it'll it'll show me notifications. I can read a text on it I can't reply but I can see if it was important And it's nice if your phone's in your pocket or not on you to have something occasionally that gives you a text message How many times do you miss texts? Oh, I didn't see that until later, you know, but that is handy and it's just distracting enough Not to the point of being Constant annoyance. So ah, I don't know There you go. It's not an easy answer. But I hope that was helpful. Yeah Okay, grace newton asks for the guys on tech talk. That would be You and me. Oh us right. Yeah um Where are the one of the pros and cons of the new road nt1 fifth generation? Especially for one who likes to record well upfront and do less editing in post Well, gee, that sounds like just about everybody. Sure. Um, now the generation five. That's the combination x lr and In usb. That's right. Yeah now the nt1 now That's a that's a mic that I recommend all the time It's it is a I would call it a gold standard at this point right at the budget level, right? Absolutely, right? And the fact is is it's great price Uh, this particular model is very versatile because you can use it as you it's got its own interface in it Right, but you can also hook it up to x lr and it becomes just a regular good old Road nt1, right the nt1 is great one because it's very quiet. It's a has very low noise Very low self-noise they claim it to be the lowest in the business It's gets right in there with a couple others So it's hard to say is the quietest, but it is it is really quiet Yeah, and it comes down to that equation that you and I always talk about For every thousand dollars you go up in price on a microphone You maybe get one percent increase in actual vocal quality, you know It's it and sometimes it's worse. Yeah, the mic has too much color Everything or too sensitive or too much character or whatever, you know exactly so, you know And the and the real bottom line with the microphone And this is one that you know people have yelled at me about it Absolutely wrong. I'm like, oh man. There is no microphone out there that is going to change the way You read copy It's not going to change unless it's a mic that literally is in your freaking way That's right So, you know, I've seen people with like yeti and a giant chaotic eyeball and they're like They're they're like craning their neck or they have Contour to try to read their script or they have a big round pop screen They they're script. They're trying to read. I'm like, that's when that's where it can help you read copy Exactly, you know And as you can hear you don't need a pop screen if you use your mic properly right as we have it set up here Right. Well, the road in t1 is interesting. I've seen videos. I've seen the tests. I know it sounds good It's it's they they know how to make a usb mic because they've made the nt Usb for a while. I had the usb plus so they just probably took the same technology and shoved it in the tube I think so. I mean What's interesting is you there's a trade-off between the nt usb plus and the nt one Fifth gen fifth gen the big trade-off is that there's no zero latency monitor headphone Level mixer headphone jack, right? So again, if you need that feature, you don't get it, right? A lot of us know that you don't need headphones while you're at voice acting So for then you won't need it and the whole idea of this Listen listen the 32-bit float technology is getting a huge amount of Hey, let me in let me explain to you what it really does, right at the end of the day It's not a game changer. It's just another technology that you're going to be mystified about right Just at the recording levels with peaks between minus 12 and minus 6 And move on with your life If the script says oh, we want peaks somewhere around minus 18 Don't even freaking worry about it. Just read it just record Don't worry about just make sure you're getting nowhere near clipping You're going to be fine and this microphone's usb interface is going to make that easy for you If you want to buy this mic as a spare or a travel mic So you don't have to have an interface with you great, right? It it's it's a really awesome mic It's the same price within a few bucks of the prior generation And you get usb for free So it seems like a no-brainer I don't want to try it. So you see how yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't like buy it if I already have an nt1 and an interface Right, I wouldn't need that right. I already have that But if you have if you want that backup capability or that all-in-one capability, then it's then it's cool So anyway, good. It's a good product proven proven technology. Yes, tony disander. You get this one I'm a newbie to vo welcome. No, great. Great to have i'm glad you're here And have been trained on audacity. Good Sounds like you prefer adobe audition Appreciate your thoughts on adobe audition versus Audacity i'll go and then dan goes because we both have opinions Audacity is perfectly fine Except The problem with audacity is it's free software maintained by a bunch of volunteers You don't have tech support directly for audacity because there's nobody Nobody directly to call on to get help Because it's free software all the third-party plug-in companies like waves and others don't take it seriously They don't usually test it So when audacity does updates, sometimes they're a little bit irrational They add a feature that makes no sense or it's not well thought out Or they remove a feature or they kind of do things that don't really make a lot of sense And that's so the problem with audacity as good as it is and as good as it's getting all the time It's still this little bit of unpredictableness to it. I get that a lot I just upgraded audacity and now this doesn't work And that's what really bugs me and this is why I know dan loves adobe audition because it's stable And you get support and you can count on it solid as a rock Yeah, and it's and they they make little improvements on it. Yeah, they're not adding a lot of new features. No, no they're really it really it's As as the chronic ages as they continue to update it the engine gets faster It does things very very quickly The spectrograph in that is as good as anything else for getting rid of lips max Absolutely the spectrograph and audacity is got a long way to go I mean getting rid of mic pops not that I ever do mic pops because I use my mic right And occasionally, you know, you might lift up and go, oh Peter Piper picked a peck of pick, you know, you want to get oh crap Yeah, but but it shows up so clearly in a spectrograph as this big Bright yellow blob with gets darker in the middle. Hey, just highlight it and you hit It A few times gone And you'll never even know it was there Which is which is nice and and then you don't have to worry about lots of plugins. I know you love the plugins I never use any plugins. I just I find that software that has Like audition or even twisted wave has basically everything you need To produce proper recording You know the voiceover. Yeah, if you record properly as we said the environment has to be right Your mic technique has to be right and you've got to understand how to set levels properly And that seems that's another one that people don't get it's like Because as you say they're getting instructions from engineers who currently don't know what they're talking about either They know what game of telephone, right exactly It's oftentimes you're seeing these specs from you know casting companies and video game companies and that they don't really understand How would you even get that number to begin with right? How would you measure that I remember an email thread that you had with with the producer That was talking about that and it was like well They said this and they said that and you would not realize it's like well this person talked to that person that talked to that person that And they and none and only one person at the beginning of the line actually may have known what they were talking about I want to see the family tree or the genealogy chart on on how that information made it from You know from one end to the other because yeah, somebody initiated originated that spec Somebody I don't know who I'd love to talk to him. Yeah Call me they're they're hiding behind a brick wall because they know you're there Uh, terry frisco asks What's your take on the sphere l 22? How good is it how good its ability to mimic the mics? It claims it can Well, really good. Yeah, it can do it. Exactly. Here's the thing Why would you want to keep mimicking all these different mics? It's not going to change the way you read copy I don't get that at all. It's a good mic on its own If your environment's right, you set your levels, right and you use it properly What do you mean? Okay, maybe it sounds like a u 87. I don't know an engineer I don't think even you could tell if jeff was using a u 87 and I was using a u 87 that you'd be able to tell Or I was using say a caddy 100. You wouldn't know that or even this mv5 I would probably end up liking the sound of it made 50 better than anointing I like this mic. This is it's Yeah, it's it's smooth. It's it's But and it's still crisp and It's not peeky. It doesn't have like a nasalness or honk to it or just it's pleasing, right? Yeah, the l 22 is an amazing piece of technology and it's not just the mic. It's the software, right? It's a whole system It has a learning curve. It has an expense attached to it.  You can now try other mics It's kind of the tinder of microphones tinder of microphones You don't have to commit to anybody from personal experience And you can swipe left and right and and try them all out until you find One you like and then when you're done sell it and buy the real thing I had more fun with my ribbon mics, you know, it was like Well, that's what's I mean, you can if you've always wanted to play with ribbon mics There's ribbon mics in this sphere and you can play with those too So it's great for playing around and it's fun to experiment with and yes With the right training and the right tech setting it up for you. Yes, I can help you It can sound amazing if you're just playing around with it It will lead you down many many rattles of of distraction. Okay. We got a couple more questions one comment Okay, I which you know, you know, we appreciate your comments, but it's our show. We get to make all the comments And one was about ai and john bailey was talking about that last week And it came up when john bailey was talking about it. Yeah, got you. It gets a curious comment. Gotcha, right. Okay, so Last one, uh, what do you think of the mk 600? I haven't used it using the the AA battery for on the go recording with its high pass filter that's on I've I've never I'm not familiar. It's a noisy is annoying. It's a noisier mk h4 That's the mk a 600 is fine It's noisier like it's just got more noise. It's his year um, yeah, bait bottom line um Tara and I know you want to get your comment AI won't be able to replace character acting But it is a real problem for vio genres like corporate narration and IVR. Yeah, you're probably you're probably right All right. Well, we we don't know we just don't know when it comes to AI I think that's a whole nother discussion that you know, maybe we need to bring all these Conferences are going to have round tables about we we have a webinar coming up with with world voices With a bunch of different experts on it people who are licensing voices People who are using it, you know, and and that's gonna I think it's on the 23rd So join world voices and then you can listen to that webinar and yeah and figure that one out But I we're going to hear a lot about that in that voice over at lamb for sure Which you and I will both be at and very quickly just to put rob Williams's question to bed You're using a 15 year old version of adobe audition. That's not supported What do you want? What do you want? What do you want for nothing? Exactly? All right. 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