Another video for you all, please give the video a thumbs up, share your thoughts in the comments section, subscribe if you haven't subscribed yet, and please share the video with anyone who you believe may help. Check out the new Narx survivor reddit community, it's a private community for survivors to share their knowledge and experiences. A great place to find supportive and understanding people. To join the Narx survivor private reddit community, please sign up through our Patreon page in the video description. Narcissists are weak and inferior, a lot of people get this mixed up. They fall for the Narcissist grandiosity and intimidation tactics. This is a front, it's designed to provoke the very feelings that they feel within you. Narcissists are not grandiose or intimidating people, they are not aggressive or confrontational. They feel vulnerable and scared on the inside, that's what causes them to act out all of the time.  It's the same thing with the Narcissist, the Narcissist feels all kinds of emotions when you are in their presence. They feel intimidated and fearful, they feel small and insignificant, which is why they will go out of their way and do whatever they can to make you feel this way. Narcissists are very weak fragile people, this is why in any situation they will have to abuse and manipulate you.   It will never be enough and that should remind you just how inferior these people feel. The fact that they have this daily ritual of lowering your self-worth, self-esteem and self-belief should remind you how low theirs must be because no matter how worthless and insignificant they might make you feel they will continue to abuse and manipulate you because no matter how worthless and insignificant you feel they are always feeling worse and their actions and behaviors are clear evidence of that. The narcissist always feels inferior to you, another flaw in their program is that they rarely choose sources that are inferior to them they could easily abuse and manipulate someone who they do believe is below them but it doesn't gratify them in any way, the narcissist gets a kicker of targeting someone they perceive as being superior to them in some way someone who is more successful, more talented, more liked someone with more money, material things or something else that the narcissist is envious of I can't stress how greatly this gratifies the narcissist they intentionally gravitate towards these kinds of people like a moth to a flame at first they are fascinated about how they can be so successful, talented or liked but then they realize that they do not possess those qualities or they do not have that money or that house now the greatest most gratifying thing they could do from this point on is to drag you through the mud and watch you suffer suffer for everything you showed to the narcissist that they wanted so bad but could never achieve this is where their sadistic nature comes from because without you even knowing they have been suffering in silence watching your life watching all the things you do all the things you have been causing narcissistic injury after injury without even knowing even if they weren't around you personally they were watching all the pictures and videos you uploaded on social media yeah they spent night after night watching your life watching you enjoy all of those great things you had going on and it made them sick at this point it's nothing for them to abuse and manipulate you it's nothing for them to make you suffer because they've been suffering too for a long time and in their minds they believe you caused that you made them feel that way because the narcissist expects everyone to be miserable and dissatisfied like them this is like an unspoken rule to them and they expect you to know that so with you being the successful, talented or liked person at this time in your life and having all of these great qualities money, material things maybe a nice house or fancy car the narcissist is looking at this stuff and you are emotionally destroying them or at least that's how they see it because they cannot self reflect they cannot lock within themselves and take responsibility for their own emotions so the narcissist becomes hateful both to themselves and to you they become angry, envious and jealous now they want to take away all of these great things which you possess because they feel inferior to you at this point they want to sabotage every aspect of your life they want to see you crawling on the floor begging for mercy they want to see you pay for every emotion every bit of pain that they believe you made them feel because you had all of those great qualities which they wanted but will never have you got to experience all of those things that they wanted to experience so bad but they will never get to experience that so at this point they basically want to kill you but as I said, narcissists are weak so although they may display aggression or intimidation tactics towards you it's just a front because seeing you live in your life they feel as though you have displayed aggression to them your life and your good qualities have intimidated them they felt like you were attacking them you were hurting them hurt people, hurt people and as far as they are concerned you are responsible for their pain not because you did anything to them but because you showed them what they want but do not have and possibly will never have so they will try to make you feel the same way they will try to make you feel worthless or insignificant they will try to intimidate you because that's how they have felt all of this time but they never self reflected they never confronted those emotions so now they have to project them onto you they have to make you feel the way that they believe you have made them feel that is most gratifying for the narcissist to see their victim experience the very emotions that they choose not to deal with just know because you were successful, talented or liked because you had money or power the narcissist is never going to forgive or forget while people close to you may have been excited and appreciative of the qualities which you possessed for the narcissist it was heavily traumatic it may have given them post-traumatic stress disorder to see you having everything that they always wanted but never had to see you experiencing things that they will never get to experience I cannot even describe how traumatizing how degraded and worthless the narcissist felt from witnessing those aspects of your life but I don't think I need to describe that they do it better than I ever could just look at their actions and behaviors that will remind you of how weak and inferior they really feel their actions and behaviors are based off their weak emotions and I believe that could be their post-traumatic stress response witnessing your significant worth and superiority over them has been a very traumatic experience for the narcissist and if you look at them the dysfunctional thoughts they act on endlessly their actions and behaviors it reveals just how incredibly traumatic it was for them but you are not responsible for how they feel you did nothing to them if your success, talent or likeability is traumatizing them and causing them to act out in this rational and dysfunctional way it should only reinforce your understanding of how envious and jealous these people really are they will even stalk and harass you in an attempt to resolve the trauma which they believe you have caused it will never be resolved by stalking or harassing you they have to resolve it within themselves yet they continue to stalk and harass you which only feeds their trauma it creates a trauma bond for them and that's what creates the addiction a traumatic event occurs in their lives and we may have unknowingly played a part in and then they are stalking and harassing you in an attempt to resolve it but they will never put in the work to heal that trauma they want a quick fix which can only ever be a temporary solution so they will continue being the weak and inferior narcissist they are that's their problem, not yours do not feel responsible for their self inflicted traumas if you don't like someone or something you don't keep going back to it you don't keep going back to someone or something that hurts you if you keep returning to someone you are hateful angry envious or jealous towards it will be a traumatic experience it will create a trauma bond you will develop an addiction to them you will continue to bond with them over the trauma in a way that is more damaging to you I just want to make that clear as it is not only the victims of narcissistic abuse who fought prey to the trauma bond I have unknowingly traumatized many narcissists just by being me just by living my life this created a trauma bond for them where they can't leave me alone it creates an obsession and I'm sure many of you have experienced this but do not feel responsible for them they are weak and inferior yet they choose to return to the very person or thing they claim is not good the very personal thing that they are envious and jealous of they can't leave alone of course that's going to be a traumatic experience and will create a trauma bond for them over time but in this type of situation it doesn't mean that it is your fault remember they are making the choice to return to us returning to something they cannot be around without their dysfunctional behaviors because they are struggling to cope with the pathological envy and jealousy they so endlessly feel I hope you enjoyed the video I hope this information provided you with more knowledge and understanding of the narcissist and why they behave the way that they do please share your thoughts in the comments and I will talk to 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Hi guys and welcome to my Draw My Life video nursing edition. So when I was a little girl, I actually didn't want to be a nurse. I was so set on being a doctor and not just any type of doctor, I wanted to be an OBGYN. And this is my failed attempt at drawing a baby, if you can't tell. So in around 2010-ish, this was my sophomore year in high school, I started thinking about going to nursing school. I realized that doctors pretty much write orders and nurses are the ones at the bedside actually carrying out those orders and that is what I wanted to do. Plus, nursing school was four years and it would lead me to have a career when I was done with school. Plus, I would make decent money, have a solid career and have a career that would be flexible for the future family.  So in 2011, which was my junior year in high school, I officially decided that I was going to apply to nursing school and I only wanted to go to Arizona State University. So I applied to the nursing program there and I got a letter in the mail a few weeks later saying I got accepted. So in May 2012, I graduated from high school and in August of 2012, I started college. I still lived at home and I was standing in the sky who was in the military and he actually ended up becoming my husband. So I did three semesters of pre-rex and then applied for the actual nursing program and obviously I got accepted and I was super duper happy. So in January of 2014, I started the nursing program and apparently I had really long legs or something because yeah. So in January 2014, I started my first semester of nursing school. I got married March 2014 during the middle of my semester, which was pretty crazy. And then May 2014 to August, I moved to Washington. I came back in August and started my second semester of nursing school and my third semester of nursing school, I started in January 2015 and then I was supposed to graduate in December of 2015, but I thought about doing my last semester over the summer and actually going from May until August 2015 and that's what I did. So I graduated in August of 2015. So in August 2015, I moved back to Washington to be with my husband who is in the military and I took my NCLEX on August 26, 2015 and obviously I passed. And also back in July before I graduated, I actually visited the hospital where I ended up working at and met the manager and she told me basically in July to call her when I passed the NCLEX. So September of 2015, I accepted my first nursing job on a med search floor and I was super stoked. So from September 2015 until August of 2016, I worked on the med search floor and learned some great time management skills and organizational skills and even floated to the ER and ICU occasionally. And of course, I met some great friends on med search as well. So in July 2016, about a month before I ended my med search job, I started job searching for jobs back in Arizona because we were moving back to Arizona and I was trying to decide if I wanted to do the ER or ICU and I ended up applying to both. So a few days after I started applying for jobs, I actually got an interview and it was a webcam interview with an ICU position. And I actually recorded this interview live and posted it on my channel. So I'll have that link down below if you're interested in checking out that video. And about one week after this interview, I got a call and they offered me the position and of course I accepted it. So in August 2016, my husband and I packed up all of our stuff in our two dog and two cats and drove all the way back down to Arizona. So in September 2016, I started my new job in the ICU and I was super excited, but it was super overwhelming to start. So I had eight weeks of orientation and when I first started off, I didn't really like the ICU at first and then I started to kind of like it and now I absolutely love it. So now I'm just working in the ICU and you know, what's next? I don't really know. I'm just going to continue working in the ICU and probably further my education. I just kind of got to figure out what I want to do. Probably I just want to enjoy life with the people that I love and my family and friends and my dogs and cats and just enjoy life. Thank you guys so much for watching this video. Make sure you thumbs up this video. Leave a comment in the comments below and of course subscribe to my channel for more videos. Thanks so much for watching and I'll see you in the next video. Bye guys.


Death is a part of us, man. Yeah, natural death, not enslaving and killing and torturing and raping.  It's rape.  Oh fuck, that's cool. Okay, so here we are at Burke Street Mall in Melbourne. We've got a table set up.  Prove me wrong. We're gonna see if anyone can prove me wrong. Bucking. Yeah, it's just the Oscars. Did you? Yeah? Hear what he said? He said, uh, Bucking Phoenix. Did you see his speech at the Oscars? Yeah. Wow. That's probably why everyone agrees now. Dairy industry. Me? I'm against it, mate.  I don't want to prove you wrong, man. Do you want to have a conversation about it, though? Well, I don't. You can tell me what it's about, because they mill the bulls. Uh, they, uh... They put an anal ejaculator into the male bulls, hold them down at a cattle crush, take their semen from them, and then they, uh, hold the cervix of the female cow through the rectum by shoving their fist inside the reinus and inject it with bull semen.  Focusing on the fact that it's the methane. That's sort of causing damage to the environment. Did it probably resonate with people a little bit more? Nah, I don't care about that. I care more about the animal rights violations. It's like if they were children being abused in big industrial complexes, and you said to me, don't you care more about the methane? I'd say, no, I care about the children being abused. You know what I mean? They're cow. Okay. They don't feel pain, suffer, you know? I just reckon you get people listening to you. I think it's, uh, like, spitting in the face of these animals by caring more about methane than their rights and their suffering and their, you know, this injustice that's happening to them. Like, what if they were dogs in, like, Yulin, China, where they're torturing and killing dogs? And you said, well, what about the environmental footprint of this, you know, it's like, for me, it's not the same issue.  I don't know, it's just, it's like, it's not nice, but it's a bigger issue. Well, they're both issues. They're both, they're both issues. But what I mean is, you see how everyone's just walking past and not walking here? Well, that's because it's a pretty hard topic to challenge. Do you really care about cows? Yeah. Cows and cows rights? Yeah, it doesn't matter if I love them or if I don't. I care about what's fair and what's right. And I know that this is cruel. Like, I don't necessarily love every single person. I meet either or walks past, but I'd care if they get hurt. Like, I don't think this is nice at all, either. Yeah. There's much more better ways than they could do it. Obviously, I've never seen any of this stuff. Well, yeah, I don't know if there's a better way to exploit and kill someone or rape someone. Do you think humane rape is a thing? Sorry? Yeah. Yeah, because I boycott these industries. Yeah. Because I'm against what they do. So I hunt? I shoot deer? Yeah. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't know. Do you tell me? Like, from your perspective. From my perspective, I think it's murder to shoot deer. Yeah. So they're an invasive species? Whereabouts? In Victoria. Are they? Yeah, they're introduced. They're killing a lot of the naturally born. Yeah. You want to sit down and talk about this, man? I don't really. Oh, okay. We can talk about it from here. Yeah, they're considered a pest. Yeah, but, okay, do you want to talk? I consider humans pests. We destroy more of the natural wildlife and the environment more than any other species on Earth. And we have the audacity to call deer pests. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. They're an introduced species. I wouldn't want to. So are we. Look at all this. This used to be wildlife. Who destroyed it? Deer? Who's the problem? It's a very small problem. The deer. It's a very small problem. We are bigger problem than deer. But I don't think murdering humans is the solution. So I don't think murdering deer is the solution. You know what I mean? Yeah, but wait, you introduce me. Humans do. All I'm saying is that you're saying murdering deer solves the problem of pest infestation, yeah? I'm saying human beings are a bigger pest than deer, but we wouldn't use that as a justification to hunt humans. So where do we go from there then? Find a more ethical way. What's a more ethical way to get rid of thousands and thousands and invasive species? Yeah. Well, we got billions. Human beings are destroying the planet way faster than deer are. So do you think a deer and a human are equal? I never said that. No, I just think both deserve a right to life. And I think both deserve not to be killed. It's an invasive species that's... I don't care.  I'm an invasive species. Yeah. So I'm nailing it. I'm nailing it. Well, I could throw the same thing at you. Where have I invaded from? I don't know. Where have I invaded from? Well, you're born here in Australia? No, I wasn't. Okay. I'm going to use the same thing to you. I say you're an invasive species.  No. Because they're destroying the environment. You know what I mean? Yeah, but what's your end game? Do you consume dairy products? No, what's your end game? You just said be more ethical. I think being vegan is the best solution we have. Yeah, so everyone becomes vegan. Yeah. So you're an invasive species with massive populations of introduced species that are killing cats, dogs, rabbits, that are just all over Australia. Yeah.  Do you still consume dairy? What's that? Do you still consume dairy and meat and all that? Okay. I try not to consume beef because of the meat thing. Meat thing? I get it. I try to consume land. Is that destroying the sign? It's going to destroy the sign. Let's move it over. Move your camera over as well, dude. Yeah, look. Look. I know what you're saying, dude.  Yeah. Like by far? Yeah. Do you have children? No. But people who have children, those children will grow up to have a much larger environmental footprint and especially if they're consuming dairy, eggs and meat. What I don't get is what's your end game? Like what are you hoping to achieve? Are there people that you're saying be more ethical? My end game is to boycott the industries that exploit and kill animals. There you are. Yeah. The pests, invasive pests. Well, that's not a bigger issue as dairy, meat, eggs. Why is there disharmony in the environment anyway? Yeah, I agree there. It's a meat thing. So what happened to the natural predators? Man, I don't know what the question is. But you're putting this argument to me. What happened to the natural predators? I'll tell you what happened to them.  So meat, dairy, eggs is causing this disharmony in the environment. Yeah? So we created this problem. And your solution is to go and shoot these poor animals in the head? The invasive species. Yeah, 100%. 100%.  Just hold the invasive species. I'm an invasive species. Man, you don't understand. Like rabbits breed like wildlife. Millions and millions of them in Australia. What gives them less of a right than the other animals? Because they don't destroy, they're not native. Neither are you. Yeah, but they're not doing damage to them. You are. Yeah, but you can't. You are. I am. I'm not comparing myself to a rabbit or any invasive species.  I'm just saying, how do you justify it when you cause more of an environmental destruction than these animals do? You're almost human being. I don't care. What difference do you have to in your... Okay, so if everything you get works, where does it go other than be more ethical? Okay, I can tell you where to start. You can start by boycotting the industries that cause mass murder and torture. You can start by not treating all the dairy industry, beef, chicken. So being vegan is the best thing you can do. And then you've got to ask yourself, is shooting animals in the head the best solution, or should we maybe start a round table of discussion on what's a better ethical, a more ethical way of dealing with the problem we created? So in Newark, Queensland, say pigs, for example. Wild boar? Wild boar. They're introduced, and they've got thousands and thousands and thousands of them, and they rip up the... I understand. I know about it.      You know we call kangaroos a pest in Australia? They're a native animal here. They belong here more than British settlers. I'm not on an argument, man. I'm just saying that there's millions of them that are destroying it right now. Brother, listen to me. And the more you sit around and talk, the more they eat it, and I'm saying that killing them for meat and making use of those wild boar is a reasonable solution. Making use of them? We're eating them.  I'm not a cannibal, man. Why not? Because I'm just not... And then the most environmentally friendly way of getting...  Of course not. Why am I not a cannibal? I'm just saying, you know, the most environmentally friendly meat you can get would be human meat. You kill a human, which has got a better carbon footprint. But my argument... I'll put it... Why wouldn't you violate a human's rights to get ethical, environmentally friendly meat? Right? Why wouldn't you violate a human's rights? But you're violating these other animals' rights. I don't think you're making sense to be honest with y'all. Why not? I'm applying your justification in the human context so that you understand what it's like because you obviously see animals so far below us that they don't deserve their own right to life. I'm saying... I'm not saying there's no problem. I'm not saying there's no pollution. I'm not saying any of that doesn't exist. I'm just saying... You just said I'm a murderer, aren't you?  I don't shoot... I think it's murder. Murder. You're an invasive species. 25 years in prison for shooting a wild deer. I think it's murder. 25 years in prison because I shot a wild deer. That's what you're looking for? Well, the prison sentence should apply... I don't know about the prison sentence, right? It's murder, man. It's murder. That's what we do in this... But I think if animals had rights protecting them, then, yeah, you should be prosecuted for violating their... Well, I don't know about the sentence. Sometimes you don't get 25 years for murdering a human. 15 years. I should get a prison sentence. Well, we can talk about the prison sentence, but I'm here discussing the rapes in the dairy industry, right? Yeah, I didn't know that. All right. I'm talking about the rapes in the dairy industry, brother. Yeah. And we're stuck on invasive species. And you're an invasive species. Yeah. Yeah. We're stuck there.  We call them a what? A pest. They live here. Yeah. So, like, this insanity of shooting animals... Well, what's the difference between a kangaroo and a deer? Because they're from here. They're native. But they're a pest animal. They're causing the same disharmony in the environment as the others. Yes, they are. They're a pest of farmers. They're not a pest animal in the natural environment. They're not. So, you're telling the kangaroos... Why do they cull them? They cull them on farms. Why don't they kill cull them in the natural environment? They cull them because they're considered a pest here. No, they don't. They do not cull kangaroos in the natural environment. They don't. Well, where they cull them? Where's their natural environment? Where farmers are sticking up their livestock farms. Yeah. Alright, and then they go up and shoot them. I'm using the same argument that you used to just... I'm not just trying. You know, what I'm trying to do, bro... I don't do nothing with the native animals, man. I'm all for Australia. I don't do nothing with the native animals, man.  That's what you do to deer. That's the dumbest argument you could have. No, your argument is deer aren't from here, so it's okay to shoot them. They're invasive species. You're an invasive species that are breeding on wildfire. Fire? And there's too many of them. It's getting out of control. They're destroying the environment actively very quickly. What other solution do you have? Why don't we find a better one? Why don't we find a better one? Have you heard of shooting them with, like, something that de-sexes them instead of shooting them in the head and eating them? That's an idea. I'm sure they've considered that. Well, all I'm saying... Look, what I'm saying is we don't entertain other solutions, do we? Do you not think that someone's considered that? Well, I don't know. Because hunters like to use it as a justification for hunting and eating, and people who don't care about animals aren't looking for ethical solutions. We are. We are, dude.  If you care enough about the environment, dude, you'd be helping people go vegan. You'd be helping people go vegan like I am. You'd be saying, I'm a vegan activist, I'm an animal rights activist, right? You'd be looking for ethical solutions for all of it. What point was, I just think that it would resonate with people a little bit more? Resonates with you more. Well, people. People wouldn't ignore you much if you're focused on the methane issue. I don't get ignored. I've been talking to you. I've got 100,000 subscribers on YouTube. I don't get ignored. People care about animal cruelty, bro. It was just an idea for you. A lot of meat eaters are anti-hunting. So people care about animals. Even if they're eating meat, they're just not connected to this. I'm not cool for that. I'm not arguing with you, man. I've never seen that. I didn't know what it was, man. So why don't the dairy industry promote this? Why do they promote it? Why don't they show this? This is standard practice. Standard practice electro-ajaculation of male bulls in a cattle crush to take their semen, fisting cows in the anus to hold their cervix and inject them in the bullsemen, taking their children from the murdering after they've stolen all their milk. I mean, stop saying murder. It's not murder. Why not? It's killing an animal. You read the dictionary? I mean, why do you have those seeds? For biting into apples. I don't know. And they're not. It's an incisor, man. It's for cutting meat. It's actually a canine. Yeah, for cutting meat. These are incisors. It's a canine. Do you rip the meat? Who said that? I told you that. So you've got claws? Where's your claws? Man, your ancestors were apes, man. And apes ate meat. You think these justify this?  No, I'm just saying that you're calling it murder.  They probably couldn't do it better ways.   Slay wantingly? No, it doesn't. Which dictionary? What? No, there's other, there's definitions that don't apply to humans. You said also your prison sentence is shooting a wild animal. No, you said that. It's invasive. No, you did. You said that. I said it's murder. You said, oh, so I have to do 25 years. And you said, yeah, we just talk about a prison sentence. It's murder. We could talk about prison sentences for violating the rights of animals. You know, it's legal to enslave and kill animals right now. I don't think it should be. I think it should be illegal. What do you think? People can't have pet dogs. That's got nothing to do with the animal agriculture industry. So you breed a set of puppies? I don't think that's ethical. Have you got a pet dog? You know, you're going into these gray areas. I don't have a pet dog. No, no, no. You said you shouldn't enslave animals. We do that with dogs. Well, it depends what you're doing.  I don't think that's ethical. But are you rescuing from a kill shelter to provide a home? My point is, right, I get what you're trying to do, but you're focusing on these tiny little bits. This isn't tiny. Dairy industry is one of the biggest industries that enslave and kill animals on earth, by far. Nothing comes close to the dairy industry. The meat industry. The meat thing is the issues. This is an animal rights issue. It's an animal rights violation. It's animal cruelty. That's the issue. I thought it was methane. My thing is it's methane. Veganism's got nothing to do with methane. It's got everything to do with animal rights. Yeah, well, I just reckon you get more people chatting with you through the methane thing. I've got about a hundred million views across my platforms. I'll get plenty of people. A hundred million. Yeah. I've got a 300,000 across my three platforms. Yeah, well, that's pretty good, man. People listen to me, dude. Just because you're not. No, I ain't listen to you. No, but what you're doing is you're finding excuses. You're finding excuses for something that's horrific. I've been disagreed with you on a couple of points. You know, I just think the bigger issue...  That's why you don't want me to tell you. Not because it's objectively killing someone who wants to live. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Think about it from their perspective. And that's the argument, man. Like, good luck to you, man. If you think shooting a wild animal... A wild animal that's... What about this first? Let's do this first. It's murder. Is this bad? It's murder. We'll do that after... It's sticking with murder. It's to slay wantingly or to kill brutally in a dictionary? Murder. It's murder. Now, what do you think about this? This is bad? This should stop? Do you think this should stop? They take their children off them afterwards. They take their milk off them and then they turn them into burgers. Well, they take their calves off them. Yeah, yeah, that's good.  Words are very important. They're descriptive and they mean what you say. No, because we use euphemisms like meat instead of murdered animal flesh, right? And it helps us go, oh, it's just meat. It feeds into your illusion. It's life, man. I'm trying to break your illusion. Man, it's what? It's death. It's murder. It's not life. Death is a part of life, man. Yeah, natural death. Not enslaving and killing and torturing and raping. That's not life.   Yeah, look, I'm sure they could do it better ways. I'm sure they could do it better ways.  I'm not for the dairy industry because of the methane. Well, then boycott it. Boycott it. If you showed the sheep industry, that's not dairy, I think. What industry is sheep? Well, they still sexually exploit those animals as well. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean.  To stop the torturing because... I sort of agree that the dairy industry... Because of the methane. The methane issue is the issue for me. Well, it's not the issue for the cows, is it? The issue for the cows is they're getting raped and killed. You know what I mean? My family founded Australia's dairy industry and it was done on the basis of... Go do that. It's semen, mate. All they're doing is they're taking semen, they're using it to... Mate, you are talking so far out of your backside so far. This is electro-ejaculation.  Well, that's probably a very pleasant experience. I mean, I know that they're being raped. They're being raped. They're not being raped. Well, it's against their will. It's your twisted head that actually... It's against their will. It's your twisted mind. Mate, what do you know about the will of a cow? Because they hold them in a rape rack. They hold them down. That is standard farming techniques... I'm saying you have to hold them down because they don't want it done to them.  This is the ban. I'm trying to stop them. No, it's not perverted. This is not perverted. Why am I perverted? Because I don't do this. I don't do this always in the case. I don't know what you're about to do. This is standard practice. I don't want animals being raped. I'm saying they're not being raped. He's fighting me. He's fighting me. How did they used to do it beforehand before all these mechanisms? They would have been through a hand job, basically. Oh, right. I don't know just saying anymore. And what they do is they get a snuggle. How do you think that Australia is successful as a nation? I want farmers to prosper. I want plant farmers to prosper. Please, I'm for farmers. So am I. Plant farmers. Yeah, but rape for me. If that was you, it would be rape, mate. If that was you, it would be rape. But they're not people. They're not people. If it was a dog, it would be rape. If it was a woman, it would be rape. It's rape for them. This is how dogs also get artificially inseminated, mate. It's not rape. If it's against their will, it's rape. You don't know what their will is.  They're like children. They can't give consent. Mate, these are cows, our entire nation. I don't care.   I don't care. I care more about the cows than the milk. Well, the word applies. It's rape. They cannot give consent. And if he's more angry at me than he is going on the screen, then... So if this makes people so upset, right, why are we doing it to them for?  This is how everyone gets their dairy and their cheese and their yogurt. You know? It's not a small thing, dude.    They get killed, turned into burgers. That's not a small thing for the cow. Who's going to speak up for these cows, dude? I keep going back to the methane.  This is animal rights issue, bro. I get it, yeah. Methane's bad. It's causing climate change. That affects you and your... It's not a much bigger issue. And this pales in significance to the fact that large amounts of methane... They're connected. They're connected. These issues are connected. You boycott this. You boycott the methane problem, too. Yeah, you're right. Okay? So we're both on the same... Yeah. I want to convince him. Yeah. And he came up and argued with you then. You could have. You could have. You could have been on my team and gone, well, wait a second. If we boycott this rape and this industry, because I'm an animal rights activist, I'm not an environmentalist. All right? You're saying it's an issue that people would resonate with. I don't know, man. I'm just trying to help you.  If you want to help me, brother, go vegan. Go vegan and help others go vegan.  They're all evil. Bro, you're smart. You're holding a very high conversation with me intelligently. What's the matter, bro?   What? Like, when guys like that guy... Every decision you've taken... Because he's not going to... He's... He's opening statements with his family. He's from that industry. So he's never... He's not going to grow on this. They're broke. They do it to like horses. They do it to chickens. They do it to all animals, I know. And they don't... And no one calls them out for it. No one...  I don't know if they do it. No, they don't technically do this. They might jack off the dog and that. But they haven't asked that dog. They haven't asked this cow. And the thing is, bro, I know what you're going to say. They cannot consent. At this point you just said they haven't asked. They cannot consent. They don't understand. They can't conceptualise what they're doing to them. They're innocent like children, dude. They cannot go, Yeah, do this to me. Rate me. Take my kid. Stick your fist inside of me. They can't tell you that. They're innocent like little children. These are only one year old when they get this done to them. I didn't realise how fast cows grow. Does that have to form-sized cows? They have to wait until they're productive. They get massive. 18 months for females, I think. And about a year old for males. Guys like him, I think they did it. What's your name, man? Jeremy. It's Jeremy. Look, he's been conditioned by the dairy industry for longer. I'm trying to reach the entire public, and not everyone's going to be on board. Try and convince guys like that. I don't have to. I'll just give it. You would probably get for it, aren't you? I'm not trying to convert him. I'm trying to reach the entire population. And most people are compassionate. He might not make the connection. This lady might. This lady has. This lady is against it. You know what I mean?  You can't get the animal rights thing. But you're not an animal. If you were, I'd be defending you. It's hard to put your head around it. You've got to use empathy. Put yourself in their position. That's what I did. I think there's levels to the empathy that you're suffering. You've got to put the same level with a person that'll do a care help. I don't think you do either. I think you're born to- No, not necessarily but a small child. Any animal. An animal rights activist. But don't think you have the same amount of empathy or compassion for any of that to animals as you do to people. Depends who the person is. Depends who the person is.  And animals have not- This cow has done nothing wrong to anyone. Or I've done more wrong to people in my life than this cow has. I can guarantee you that. When I go fishing, when I go fishing, you catch fish. It's hunting. It's stabbing fish, dragging them out. If you care about the ocean. Do you know what it means? Yeah, I know. That's why I don't really fish that much anymore. I don't think it's torturing an animal, dragging them out of their home for no reason, dude. We've got plant-based alternatives. Well, it's just the sharp teeth. Yeah, meat. They are ridiculously tiny. Even if they're from meat. You have no claws. You don't eat your- You're not a lion. Yeah, I'm just saying. It's ludicrous to point at these tiny canines and go, let's create an animal holocaust. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying meat's the natural part of it. The natural part of it. You like that? Rape is natural too. It's evil. Yeah, I agree with that. Eat less of smaller animals. Try and tone it back. I agree with all of that. Why not go vegan? Why not go vegan? Why not go vegan? Monday to Friday. What? And on the weekend, Abusing kill animals on the weekend.  Just eat it. Try and tone it. You're not a vegan then. Vegans are against the exploitation and killing of animals. I don't know. They'll kill. Exploitation of animals. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? There's no such thing as humane rape or humane murder. So, so- Euthanasia is different because it's consenting. So we let the cow- So the sheep and the- The ram go in a pan. Yeah. Well, you're creating an environment where a sheep can't escape the ram. You're creating that environment. You're mass breeding them.   They've got a love run on them.  You shouldn't exploit them, though. This is where your argument- What loses me? When you compare humans to- Okay, well, I will- You're a sheep.  Should we exploit three-year-old children? There's some people with a mental disability. Stop pairing animals to people.  A three-year-old. I'm against abortion, man.  With the topics animal rights, I mean- You just- I can compare- I'm against killing unborn child children as well, definitely. 100%. Well, it depends. If that heart's beating, if that heart's beating, well, it's in the womb, I think it's killing. We care about sentience, whether you're conscious and whether you're- able to perceive your reality. Then you deserve rights. Until then, you know, you don't deserve- you don't need rights.  They don't have a consciousness. They don't perceive reality. They don't have wants or desires. If you're a, you know- Humans and a sheep. Which is on a different level, man. Not all humans. That's what I'm saying. There's some humans with a mental handicap. We wouldn't exploit them because they don't understand. That's what I mean. What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? Because I'm saying, we're comparing sentience and intelligence. I'm saying there are some humans with a mental capacity of a sheep. We wouldn't exploit that human because of their mental capacity. Okay? We don't need it. We don't need it. That's not the issue of animal rights. I'm saying you're using the justification. They don't understand. They're not smart like me. That's the supremacist attitude. I'm saying that you're saying that you put in a pen that's cruel.  I'm saying they're exploiting them for their meat. But how's it exploiting them?  So if you let them out, so if you let them out- Why do they have sheep? So what about the- Why do farmers have sheep? So the indigenous aboriginals, the first peoples of this country- Why do farmers have sheep? When they threw a spear at a kangaroo, is that exploiting- Are they exploiting the- They're in a survival situation trying to survive. What are you doing? Trying to survive. Okay, but you can walk in a supermarket and buy a vegan stuff that doesn't need animals to be exploited and killed, yeah? You're not a tribesman. Who has to do what they got to do. Are you? So why use that argument? Because they're just calling it murder. Because of animal rights. Because it's a definition of the word. Kill brutally. You can Google it when you get home the definitions of murder. It's not just one person killing another person. Yeah, well that's okay, man. If you want to use words there's other definitions to words too. I'm saying it's murder. I just thought murder was a definition for a person killing another person. It is, it's a criminal word as well.  Those are the two words that apply to animals as well. I'm saying, well what about killing someone against their will? They want to live. We exploit them, we kill them. We know they want to live because they avoid a knife in the throat.  They're scared inside a slaughterhouse. They have to hold them down in clamps to rape them. Because they don't want to be touched. I'll go back to the meat though, man. I thought I was talking to you anyway, man. What's your name, man? Jeremy. Jeremy, Joey, mate. Good talking to you, mate.


Azerbaijan's border service confirmed on September 27 that it had detained a former top official in the separatist ethnic Armenian administration of Karaba, Ruben Bardenian, as he tried to leave for Armenia. The Bardenian has been taken to Baku and handed over to other state agencies, etc. Bardenian, a billionaire investment banker, served as the head of Karaba's separatist government between November 2022 and February 2023, Karaba in an internationally recognized part of Azerbaijan. Baku regained control over the region after disarming illegal Armenian formations in Karaba in a lightning operation last week. The separatist region's representatives held talks with Baku over the region's reintegration to Azerbaijan.


addressing before we close? Yes. Amazing results. Just a slight comment on the different side. Do you see any enthusiasm in the newer generation? Because once these farmers get older, as you mentioned, it takes 10 years, how that newer generation will adopt that? Because what I've seen in India and China, the younger generation, they want to get away from farming. So I think with all these things, and if you can comment on that, you may be able to fix all this. Yeah, I think that's another, actually, global problem, where we have the younger generation. Say that you have the quick results, or you would rather be in IT instead of farming. I think this is where the development agents must come in. One other thing we have seen, like in Zambia, we have a near absence of public extension. Now, we need to start teaching these generations, I think, from this preschool, the importance of being eco-friendly, and also just the importance of producing, even no matter how little, in a more efficient way. So the challenge we have, for instance, in Zambia, is where we have a near absence of extension, unless they have no other alternative that's when they look back to agriculture. But I think that everybody, it means we've started doing this, going into schools. So that it becomes a quality, and also those who we are able to capture while they're still very young. But there's no, actually, guarantee that if you have a farmer, you have two sons, they'll remain on the farm. But we thought if we can catch them young, there are those who will be showing signs of interest from the beginning. And this is also why we've been trying to go on a private sector-led kind of agriculture, so that from the way it goes, they see the business side of the culture as well. And I think that would be another attracting factor. But otherwise, our fear is if all they are nourishing someone, where it is easier and worse, then they will do it for us. I think we have to do a lot of mind-saving kind of change among ourselves, the young generation. Yeah. Now, following up on Omelele's question, I think, Dennis, you explained to me that the policy environment had changed significantly, the ownership of trees, et cetera, that that in several locations made a huge difference. But I think the other point which was already mentioned is this takes time. And if you sort of the net present value of that, particularly when you're poor and you have a heavy discount rate, then the attractiveness probably is not that great. So I think it's a question of policies and seeing how one deals with financing, yeah. Just to add to that, Peter Ruiz did a very good analysis of criteria in allowing systems and was published some years ago in world development. And the internal rates of return are enormous because there's almost no cash investment. And once the trees are growing, there's no labor use. But the fact is it takes several years before the trees begin producing their benefits. So that's part of the issue as well. Development projects are not as patient as farmers. And so they don't promote technologies that take time. But I think a sustainability approach in dealing with our 21st century conundrum is going to come along the way. And development support organizations are going to be more concerned about the long term sustainability issues than they have in the past. They've given lip service, but they haven't given money. And governments likewise will be more concerned. So that was our 21st century conundrum in reinventing agriculture. And of course the discussions will go on tomorrow. There is a site event on the vision for agriculture in the future tomorrow. So some of what we discussed today can contribute to that. And I know to other parts of the discussions coming up this week. So thank you for coming out late in the evening. I think Dr. Swaminathan is probably standing at the carousel waiting for his bags to come out at the moment. But I'll inform him about the discussions. And I'm sure you'll meet him tomorrow at the sessions. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you.


So after having four girls, I think the majority of us were hoping for a boy. One, two, three. Oh my goodness. But I'm happy to announce we are having a girl. I just have to say my husband has been spot on on guessing the gender of every single one of the children and he just knew this one was gonna be a girl too. Thanks guys for celebrating with us. But if you're here for the recipes, this week I am making three easy air fryer recipes that only take 15 minutes from start to finish. So if you guys are ready, let's just jump right in. The first recipe I'm making is queso chimichengas. All right, so I'm gonna start with a rotisserie chicken, all cut up, ready to go. And we're gonna add about a cup and a half of your favorite rice. Now this is the quinoa and brown rice. I really like using it because it's just a little bit healthier. Then we're gonna add one cup of salsa because we need a little bit of liquid in there. Then you're just gonna mix this all together. This is going to be the insides. All right, now it's time to fill up the tortillas. I'm using about a half a cup or so of the filling and I'm gonna add a little bit of cheese to my filling because I like the insides nice and cheesy. Then to fold it up, you're going to fold into the sides and then just very carefully roll it up. Now I like to kind of have it flat on the top and the bottom so it'll cook better. Then you're gonna take your chimichangas and just put them into the bottom of your air fryer. I like to spray the top with a little bit of olive oil and we're ready to cook. All right, so we're gonna go at 360 degrees and then we're only gonna cook it for four minutes and then we'll flip them.  All right, they're all done. Oh, they are nice and crispy. Now it's time for the toppings. This is the secret of a good chimichanga so we're gonna use white queso. We heated this little guy up and we're gonna just make him nice and cheesy.  And there you have it, queso chimichangas.  This is Enzli, she's my second daughter. Chimichangas, should we give it a taste test? Yep. I'm a little further along. Filling a lot better, you guys. Food actually sounds pretty good right now. Oh, good cat, cat with your legs. Oh, that's good. Queso is good. Okay, next time you make chimichangas, queso, you've got a rating for me. I'm gonna give it a five while she chews. I like it, but I just don't really like spiciness so I'll give it a four. A four, it's got a little kick so good to know, good to know. All right, let's move on to the next one. The next dinner that I'm making in the air fryer is our turkey and Swiss sliders. Okay, I'm gonna start with the King's Hawaiian rolls. The only bad thing about the air fryer is that they all won't fit so I actually am pulling three aside. So we're just gonna cook the nine right now. So if you have a smaller family, this will work perfect. So I actually, I cut these in half, we'll just open them right up. Then we're gonna make the yummy sauce that goes inside. You do anywhere from a fourth of cup to a half a cup of mayonnaise and then about a fourth of cup to a half of cup of honey mustard. So you just wanna make sure that these are kind of like the same amount, but yeah, I'm gonna do about a fourth of cup and then mix them all together. Then I am just going to scoop on the sauce and just spread it around the best that I can. Once you have both sides, you wanna have covered in the sauce then it's time to add your turkey. So I love using the deli meat. I just think it tastes a lot better. So you just need one side, make sure that you have all the bread covered. So now we're gonna add the swiss cheese. I love just getting this pre-cut swiss cheese. It just makes my life a lot easier. So we're just gonna make sure that all the pieces have some swiss cheese on them. So we're gonna gently put this on, there we go, and put it right into the air fryer. Okay, so now we need the topping. So this is one fourth cup of butter that we've melted and then we're gonna add one teaspoon of, we're gonna call it the W sauce just because I struggle saying it with W sauce. You know what I'm talking about? Yup, W sauce. Then we're gonna do one tablespoon of poppy seeds. That seems like a lot, but trust me, it makes it taste so good. Okay, and go ahead and mix this all together. This is going to be your yummy topping on top of it. It's gonna make it taste so good. Now it's just time to cover the tops with the poppy seed butter amazingness. Okay, now we're gonna cook it at 350 degrees. We're gonna go for five minutes and then check on it just so it's not burning. I checked these at three minutes and they are starting to get crispy on the top, but the cheese is all melted. So we're gonna call this a win and cook them just so you know I only cook them for three minutes. The next one is the sliders. You're ready? Okay, I'm gonna let you take a bite first and I'll take a bite after you. She's the kid who likes sauces and mayonnaise and stuff, so I'm curious of your thoughts. I like the crunch at the top. Okay. And other than that, it pretty much just tastes like normal sliders. Right, we have sliders a lot at our house, but I like it. Okay, one out of five. Five, I'll give it a five too. I love sliders. Let's move on to the next one. And the last recipe I'm making today is our air fryer chicken parmesan. Okay, so I'm starting by taking a piece of chicken and I could actually cut it right in half, like butterfly it. So it's nice and thin. This is what we want for chicken parmesan. So then we're gonna put it into our flour mixture. Now this is just about a third cup of flour with a little bit of salt and pepper. We just want to cover all sides with the flour. Next, we're gonna go to our egg mixture. This is just two eggs. And we're just going to coat it here. The best we can, these are big chicken pieces. And then I'm just gonna actually leave it in the egg. I forgot to mix the rest. So let me show you what's going in this one. We have one cup of panko here. That's close to a cup. We're gonna guesstimate because that's how we work. And then we're gonna take a half cup of grated parmesan. Oh, just ignore those chunks. I'll get those in a second after we're done in there. Then I just have some spices and seasoning. I'll put the ingredients down below so you can find all those. And we'll just pour those in here.  That would be so gross. All right, we're gonna mix this all together. Now we're ready. We're gonna take our chicken out of our egg. There we go. And put it into our panko mixture. Okay, we're gonna be all covered. And then we're just gonna put it right into the air fryer. So now I'm gonna take my olive oil and just spray it on. Okay, we're gonna go to 400 degrees and then our time. We're just gonna go for five minutes and then flip it and then add a little bit of the good stuff. It's looking really good. You can tell it's still not cooked all the way through. This chicken is really thick so we might have to cook it a little bit longer but we're gonna try. Okay, so we're gonna flip this over. We're gonna add the marinara sauce because of course this is parmesan chicken. Sorry, I'm just sticking all my kids in the back. They're just fighting. You can really add as little or as much as you want. We're just gonna cover it right now. And of course you need the mozzarella on top. Now I did order the fresh mozzarella but they gave me mozzarella pearls so we're just gonna do the shredded mozzarella today. Which will still work, just fine. Okay, we're gonna cook this 400 degrees for about three more minutes and we'll check it from there. Okay, so we had to do a temperature check. You want it to be 165 degrees in the chicken so we had to go an extra minute or two because these are big chickens. All right guys, this might be my new favorite thing in the air fryer. But the nice thing about making food all in one day is that you get a lot of options for dinner, right? Yeah, yeah. She's the non-cooking child. She just likes my cooking. Okay, this is the chicken parmesan. I don't know if you've ever had chicken parm, have you? Nope. Yeah, I'll try it. It might be a little toasty hot. Okay, Emily, what are you ranking it? Well, I couldn't taste it that much because it was hot. I can feel it going down my throat. Oh, great, oh, great. But I still could taste it because I like the texture of it so I'll give it a five. Five, I haven't heard of it. I love chicken parm so I'm giving it a five because the air fryer has won all three dinners today. Yep. Yeah. All right guys, if you want more air fryer recipes that you can find some just right over there. Yep. We'll see you next time. Bye.


As we see you out there shaking hands with some of the teammates, it seemed like you just met them. You got to get just a little step on to a time of dog with Jeffrey Simmons. How were you able to kind of get yourself in great shape with this team? Venus, you just got to talk to a lot of these guys recently. Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with some of the guys already, especially on the defensive side. Kenny, Kevin, Mark Butler, Armani Hooker. So we kind of like trained in the offseason out in California, all of us. So I mean, I already had a little bit of chemistry with those guys, but like I said, it's a family over here.  That's what I'm here. I'm here to play football as well. I love to play ball. It just means a lot to us and you can see it as we out there on the field as a team. I don't want to say it was easy, but why was it so smooth for you to be able to come in and pick this defense up and have the excellent communication and everything that you guys were able to have? It was definitely a challenge. I would definitely say that just because, you know, I wasn't in practice. So I was under the COVID protocol because of the trade. So I was sitting in the hotel literally for about literally most of the day and just, you know, doing zoom meetings with the team and then I'll be in the playbook.  That was the challenge for me to be prepared to come in and play Sunday. And I felt like, you know, I handled it the right way.  They helping me communicate and as a team. But that's what we're here for. I mean, that's what we're supposed to do as teammates out there. You want to communicate with the person that's next to you. I like the person. Like Coach said today, well, yesterday in our meeting and team meeting, he said, don't just act like it's one person that just came in. Act like everybody just came in. That's how we need to communicate to make sure everybody on the same page. Excellent. Thank you.  What's the approach like that for you? Just come in ready to play. I mean, that's, you know, that it's a business out here.  That's how you got to carry yourself. You come here, you be prepared, you be ready. Like I said, it was a tough week for me. But, you know, I got it done. And with the team, with the help of my teammates out there on the field, it made everything a lot better. Jim? And just following up on that, Desmond, man, what kind of a whirlwind was you get traded, you're in zoo meetings all week, you get out here and you score touchdown in your first game.  Yeah, as I stated before, everyone, you know, get challenged with something. And it's the matter of fact, how you're going to attack it and how you're going to approach it. Like I said, you got to go with a positive mindset and take it and use it as motivation. And I think that's exactly what I did. And just using that challenge and stepping up to the plate for it. And I think I came out with a great outcome at the end of the day. Desmond, what did you do? I know they kept you in the zoo meetings to try to get you ready from the mental standpoint. What did you do while you were in the hotel room to try to stay as sharp as you could physically to be out here and ready to go today? When I was in the hotel, me and this chair became best friends and that's where I've been sitting at, literally for the past week and just putting my head in that playbook. I knew I had, you know, I had a short week of getting this down and not letting it be a distraction and kind of using it as motivation and just knowing that, you know, I have to get this down to go out there and play and have my teammates trust me while I'm out there. Desmond, I think when the Titans traded for you last week, a lot of people wondered if you'd be able to be up to speed enough on the playbook and on the defensive terminology in particular. How exactly did that work today? Were there times where guys had to decode things for you? How exactly does that work? Oh, no, I mean, it all comes down to communicating on the field and that's what we're out there for, especially as a defense. You have to communicate with the person to your left and the person to your right and I think that's what made things so much smoother and so much easier, you know, for all of us out there, even for me. Couple more of the new agents here, Joe Rexford. Desmond, a couple on the fresh start for you real fast here. First of all, how motivated are you with this fresh start after the way things ended with the Chargers? And what was your, I guess, take on the Titans and what do you think so far about this team and the defense you're joining? When I heard about the trade, I absolutely loved it. I knew it was going to be a great opportunity for me. I can come over here. It was already a great defense and just adding me to it, it made it even better. And like I said earlier, these guys love to play football here at the Titans and that's one thing that I definitely respect about it.  Desmond, how much do you think of yourself as an energy guy and how much did you want to be an energy guy today as a new ingredient on the field? Showing that enthusiasm out there on the field, that's what brings everyone around you. And that's where I think, you know, the guys are like, all right, it's time to go and we can trust this guy. We're going to go out there. We're going to play together. And just keeping that energy, keeping that juice and that enthusiasm out there on the field, making plays.  Hey, Desmond, just kind of going off of that. I guess just what's the feeling after returning that Thunder Recovery 4 touchdown to sort of cap what's been, you know, as you described a whirlwind week.  I know my ability, you know, I know what I can do and just to come here and put that to use and contribute to the team success. I think, you know, that's what it's really all about.


Would you say with the potency, because in my mind I always think about, you know, we're talking about transformational now, but when you said sometimes what we're doing is looking at the parent ego state that we need to be more potent than the parental interjects, so to speak. That's more powerful. Yeah, yeah. Otherwise you'll repeat history for the plant. Yeah. It'll just be another object that the negative parent will swallow up. Yeah. You need to be more powerful than that. We shall prevent one project. I'm thinking a lot of different words. Delightful. Yeah, or delicious. But I love the way you delivered awesome there. Awesome. Awesome, Mr. Bob Cook. And what we're looking at in this episode is what is transformational in the therapy process, which might lead on quite nicely from the last one. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about the inner child. But if we look at the word, if we look at therapy, therapy is all about transformation. Hopefully that's that's good. That's where we're heading. Yeah. And when people have a hard moments, which is a therapist, you've been with clients many times, which just have a hard moments.  That's part of the transformational process and therapy. Yeah. So, you know, how can I explain this? I don't think change can happen without transformation. We'll put it another way. Transformation is the glue that makes the change. You know, it's like, like metamorphosis, we move from one place to another through transformation. So therapy is transformational in essence. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we can't ever go backwards once, once we've had a hard moment or once we've become aware of certain personality traits or the reasons why we do what we do. We can't ever go back from that. So it is transformational. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely true. Yeah, a person said to me the other day, did you enjoy the career you picked? I said back, well, I haven't quite finished yet, but I did enjoy the 38 years working with clients groups and individual settings. And partly it's because I've helped people in this transformational process. Probably the most satisfying part of the job transformation happened. Yeah, you must every time you work with clients and groups experienced that in some way. Yeah, definitely. And although when clients leave, it can be, you know, quite emotional and sad because it's the end of a journey, but there's also an awful lot of happiness in that they do feel able to, you know, to leave therapy and it has been transformational for them. Yeah, and I love that word because transformation means to me moving from one place to a much more positive place. Yeah. And, you know, whether that takes one session or 115 sessions, the impact I've played in the transformational process gives me a lot of professional satisfaction. Definitely. Yeah. And I can relate to that. I've had clients that, you know, stopped seeing me two, three, four years ago and, you know, I might still be in contact with them or whatever and they'll say, I'm still saying to myself, what would Jackie say?  And it's them having that little bit of you going with them, which is real professional satisfaction. Yeah, and then they will integrate you so correct. So transformation is all about change. Yeah. But therapy counseling is all about change. And for some change can be scary. For most people, change is scary. You mentioned it in the last one about letting go of something and that can be really overwhelming for some people. Yeah. I mean, if you're in a stuck place, the only way you can make the only way that you can move forward is to let go of what's making you feeling stuck. You have to let go to move forward. Yeah. Eric Byrne wrote a book in, I think it was 1969 or around that time anyway. What do you say? Yeah, it was 69. What do you say after you say hello? Yeah. Like to move forward, you have to let go. They go together. Yeah. When you in that stuck place, it can often be the most petrifying place to be in. Yeah, because I've had clients, you know, when we've been discussing this, and they'll kind of say, but I don't know what to do if I'm not doing this. And it's a scary void sometimes when they let things go. Oh, even if it's painful and it's not serving them well, at least they know how the journey ends. Oh, so, you know, in the process, of course, that's the question which many, many therapists will ask, which is, well, what you want to put in the place. So, you know, you might do it. By the way, what you might do is with the client, you might go back to the other podcast here. You might do imagery work, not a conduction work about, or painting, if you like, or even just imagery work. What all this, if you let go of X, what all this new place be like. Yeah. But you are right. In TA, they call these stuck places impasses. And how do we help people move and to let go and to move forward. Yeah. And to, and of course, in that process that is, of course, transformational work. Not straightforward because we are so petrified of change. Yeah. Somebody once said that it's kind of like, when we're stuck and when we're in it, it's like we're on a train journey, and we do it all the time and we know what stops the train stops at and the people that get on and we know where the journey is going to end and therapy is like asking you to get on another train where you don't necessarily know where it ends and what the stops are and who's going to be on that journey with you. I couldn't have put that better. You know, when people are in the place we're talking about here. They find it's so hard to move to let go past because their script or the way they define themselves is predictable. Yeah, provides a sense of identity. And it provides stability. Yeah. So it becomes so hard to let that go. Yeah. Like they've got to let go of their identity, their sense of predictability, their sense of continuity and then maybe their sense of stability. And of course, how can they move into the unknown like you just and get said quite eloquently and get on a new train where they don't know where it's going. There's no sense of predictability. They don't know how they're feeling. There's no sense of continuity. So no thanks. At least I know who I am where I am.  There's a sense of predictability. There's a sense I know who I am. There's a sense of continuity and there's a sense of stability. Yeah. But the transformation when it does happen. I can remember in my training, there was like a phrase that, you know, at some point in a therapy session, you will have a bullseye where it's like the stars line up and everything just comes together. And it is that a harm moment where it goes, it bypasses all the protection mechanism and everything and something just clicks for the client. Yeah, and when that happens, that's such a wonderful moment. Yeah, me and for the client. Yeah. It will only happen in a secure, safe, trusting relationship. Yeah. And often after many, many weeks, months of psychotherapy, like going down the onion layers, you can't suddenly do the work we're talking about here in session one. No, three, four. Yeah. And transformation can happen quite quickly as well as take a long time dependent on the client on the issue on lots of things. You know, I know we spoke about long term versus short term therapy before but I think people think with psychotherapy is always long term. It's always, you know, 10 years of doing it. Yeah, you're right. Of course, of course that can happen very quickly but what is also important that in their journey of transformation, we need to help them integrate these new behaviors or these new patterns into their lives. Yes, that's the key I think we can have transformation and awareness but then we lose it again. Yeah, it is about integrating it. Yeah, so that won't happen in one session. The genesis may happen in one session, but the biology might be in two sessions but I think the integration takes a bit longer. Yeah, yeah. I totally agree with that because it is new and it is different and, you know, I can remember having conversations with clients where I know my script it took me a long time to work out what my life script was and everything else but I also know even now, I will dip in and dip out of it. It's not like once I had this realization that it disappeared forever at times of stress I will go back. And though I feel like it was integrated and, you know, I know when I'm in my script and when I'm not, I still go back in my script. Yes, you need a therapist to help you. Yeah. Really, integrate the script and move forward. Yeah, and understand it and I know we've said it in past podcasts, you know, life will throw us curveballs and things change. I have a therapist with you to practice to play out to experiment with the new ways of being or the new script is so important. Yeah. The thing about transformation is that we often have to deal with the darker sides of ourselves that we've taken on from somewhere else usually. And TA that might be called, you know, the per dig estate might appear the negative toxic part. So transformation isn't straightforward. No, it's usually. It's often two steps forward. Sorry, two steps going back to going one step forward. And what I mean by that is that post psychotherapy is a process never an event. It takes this whole process to all this. Yeah. And we often have to visit the dark sides to get, you know, continuity in the light side. Yeah, often is visiting our toxic abusers or going to the trauma part or dealing with the parental interjects which are so negative with us. Yeah, that's all part of, you know, I think promoting transformational change in the therapy room. You know, really, in order to do that, we need to be our authentic self which were vulnerable. You know, it's very different even with a therapist in a therapy room to be vulnerable and to be our authentic self and allow that to come out can be really difficult, especially if we've been shamed and we've got guilt from the past. It is, it is a peeling back of layers in a secure place. Without, without doubt. And I think the use of permissions from the therapist is really important here as well. We do you to be you. It's okay for you to feel and think at the same time. It's okay for you to take these steps and I think dreadful is going to happen the world won't collapse. Yeah. It's something I often say to clients is the sky won't fall in if you make a new decision. It feels like it when we are in a younger self it does feel like the sky won't fall in. And I think without these permissions. It's a, it's often the client will stay in that place they need the permissions from a potent therapist to enable them to dare to take the risk to get on the new train. Yeah. And that you just read my mind then because one of the things that always stuck with me. And I think it's lovely is the three P's permission protection importance. And that is what leads to transformation without doubt. Yeah. Yeah, you know potency of the therapist. Yeah. It's involving themselves. Having a really impactful sense of curiosity. Yeah. Being on the third being on the client side. That's what all these potent things. You with the potency because in my mind I always think about, you know, we're talking about transformational now but when you said, sometimes what we're doing is looking at the parent ego state that we need to be more potent than the, the parental interjects, so to speak. It's more powerful. Yeah, yeah. Otherwise you repeat history for the client. Yeah. It'll just be another object that the negative parents will swallow up. Yeah. You need to be more powerful than that original parental interject. So for, you know, so potency is very important of the third value permissions really important to help the client get on the new train if you like. Yeah. And protection is by what a by word for a therapist to do this type of work. Yeah. So I like the three P's. I do. It's always stuck with me. Yeah. Potency. You know, it's so important permissions so important and protection is so important as an agent of transformation if you like. Yeah. I thought a lot in TA that's often taught a lot in TA but it's, it's a nice way of just remembering some of the really important aspects of our for therapists in terms of, you know, helping their clients in the world of transformation. Yeah, because that's the aim is for the client to have, you know, to transform. You know, you are right. I was just thinking when you were talking, you are right. Transformation can happen with one session, two sessions, three sessions, four sessions, but I think for us to take the transformation forward to anchor it and integrate it takes, you know, a few more sessions. It is, in a way, long term work. But then, you know, we have to say well what is long term work. You know what I'm talking about here, I think you can do transformational work in three months, but I think you're talking six months on. Yeah. Which isn't really a long time you think about it compared to what you've carried around for all your life. Yeah, baby. And again, you know, being in the therapy room is an opportunity for the client to explore and experiment and try out new things. You know, whether that's through role play or, you know, coming back the week after and feeding back how things are different for them. That's absolutely right. And I was in therapy for a long time. And, you know, I definitely wouldn't be the person I positively that I am today without, you know, the change and the transformation I made from the part of a self I didn't like to where I am today. And one thing in this, that doesn't mean total change.  You know, with me, but I will say that I've changed many of the things which were so toxic, and I've probably healed most of the traumatic places I carried. So that's the transformation I'm talking about. I'm not meaning the, you know, you completely utterly change everything about yourself, because I've still got many of the essence of me. Still carries throughout me.  It's just about transforming from the past, which was so toxic for you and using the energy in the place of change really. I think that's a really good valid point Bob, because, you know, it has been said to me before and I think I even went through a phase, you know, I'm always spoken the past about was having to have personal therapy while we're training is that I would leave my partner behind. I would be transformed. And would I want to be in this relationship if I'm not me anymore. So I think it's a really valid point when you say your essence and your spirit is still there. It's not like we reinvent ourselves completely. No, we choose to, we choose to transform ourselves from the dark side and live in the light side. And that took me many years so you don't have to say as long as me and that would be maybe this 69 months but I do. I would make a plea for therapist to look at how clients can integrate the new behaviors in therapy and support them in that journey. Yeah, because it's going to be a hard journey without the supportive therapist I think. Yeah, yeah, and a safe space to come back and to discuss it. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a safe place, a regular protected time to come back and discuss your anxieties, your thoughts, and, you know, it takes a lot of courage, but it's really important to come back to this protected time to look at how you can leave you, live your life in a new way in these new behaviors and you need somebody who will be almost like a mentor to support you through that, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree. And it can be quite anxiety provoking when we're making change. I think it always is. Yeah, because of go back to predictability, a sense of who you are, a sense of continuity through time and a sense of stability. That's all the hallmarks of your script. Yeah, you are. Yeah. So to get on the new train, I think will always inevitably carry a sense of anxiety. It's possible way with clients when they've come back the week after we've had a really good session and said, God, I felt really anxious this week. I've literally gone like this and they look at me and it's like that's because you're doing something different. You're changing and that's the reason why you're feeling the way that you are and then obviously we we work on that. And that's why you're feeling uncomfortable because actually you're going against your script. You're going against your life plan. You're going against, you know, what you've always known. So it would be really hard. It'd be really odd. Yeah. You've got a sense of uncomfortability. It would be odd, wouldn't it? Yeah. I'm not saying it's not difficult for the client when the army can changes and feeling anxious, but for them to know that this is, this is normal. This is part of the process is, is learning to be comfortable in the uncomfortable feelings that you're having. And what you're talking about here for the people listening is normalization. Yeah. Word used a lot in therapeutic parlors. And that is that the therapist provides normalization transactions to help the client know what's normal and what isn't. Yeah. So important. Yeah. Because so many clients think they're crazy or there's something wrong with them. So it's very important to help the client normalize if you want to put it that way. Yeah. It's one of the most important aspects and duties of a therapist, I think, to help a person and understand what was so understandable and to normalize that. Yeah, because a lot of the conversations that we have with clients aren't conversations you would have outside of the therapy room. Do we know what's normal and what's not because we wouldn't ever discuss this with anybody else. If you trace back to a person's history to where they made certain decisions that they thought were crazy or whatever you ever ever words they put on themselves. You will find that even in the most bizarre circumstances, the decisions they made were normal. Yeah, even those set of circumstances. Yeah. And set with the best of intentions because if we knew a better way, we would do it a different way. Oh, without dying, mostly people pick ways to survive. Yeah. And again, we should be congratulated for that because we did survive it. However, however we got through it, we survived it if we sat in a therapy room with a therapist. Yeah, and we're working towards transformation to a different, more positive part of ourselves that's going to live in the world of lightness instead of darkness. Yeah. Which is lovely. That's a lovely thought. You know, that, yeah, it has been dark, but it's literally going into the lightness, whether you're a spiritual person or a religious person or not, that's what transformation is. It's warmer in the light side. Yeah. We can feel the sun on our backs. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is. It's lovely. And it's lovely to be a part of it. Like you said, it's an honor and a privilege sometimes to be in a therapy room. And if the cloud can allow themselves to feel the sun on their back, it's a wonderful, wonderful moment. Yeah. And true transformation has happened. Oh, right. Okay, the client will tell you that's number one. Secondly, when they, and this is a longer process, but often clients will leave the therapy room, carrying you in their heads, which is normal. There's a client called transfer, a transferational cure. In other words, still carried part like you said earlier on this podcast, still, and that's normal to carry parts of the protective therapist who'd been so supported to them, you know, and I think the real indicator of when the totality of transformation happens is when they've integrated your words so that they have their own words. There's a long passage. I think transformation has stages for me are hard to new awarenesses. Then to put in new behaviors into practice, then to practice that in life, then to go to, you know, out of the therapy room, and they will bask in the world. You know, what they let themselves to become. Yeah. So the hard hard moment is the beginning of transformation. If you like, some people might say, Oh, well, no, no, that's, that's when there's real transformation. Maybe it is, but I think the actual actioning the change the carrying out the new behaviors is part of an integrated process. People can enjoy and bass themselves in the light and feel the sun in a way was different and they allow themselves to have a sense of difference and know where they've come from to where they are today. I completely agree that that harm opens in the awareness of where they are is really important. A lot of it is out of our consciousness. We just do what we do. I'm sure Gestalt focused listeners would say that the transformation is when we are when we grasp those new awarenesses, and in some sense it is if we're going to have the totality and follow through the actionistic part of the transformation, I think there's more to it. But that's, those are my thoughts. I tend to agree with you. Yeah, it is it is a journey and it's a long process. And it's not to say that after that a hard moment, the client hasn't gained something from it and, you know, would benefit from that. But the likelihood is that they will leave the therapy room and if it's not integrated if they've not gone through the process, it's easy to fall back into all behaviors. Yeah. And that's what we're talking about really important things here. Awareness is really important new awarenesses, but there has to be more. I think it's the integration of what follows. Yeah. And, you know, going back to earlier on in this is it's, it's being okay with letting go of stuff. Well, that is a really big one, you know, all the therapists or people thinking about what happens in the therapy room. A lot of we do a lot of what we do as therapists is helping people to let go and to take on new behaviors, which are more positive, and to be able to bask in the light. And that's a process never an event.  They'll then start to beat themselves up for doing what they've done in the past. Why did I not know this sooner? Why did I not come to therapy sooner? Why did I not work this and this out sooner? And they'll actually start berating themselves because it's took them so long to get to this point. So it's kind of like, right, we need to slow it down a bit now. Yeah. That's where guilt and shame often come to. Yeah. So then we deal with all those processes. So they can be kind of themselves. Yeah.  Yeah. Yeah. But we really need to celebrate and help the clients celebrate the one step forward. Yeah. I often say, as long as we're facing the right way, that can be enough sometimes. Do you know what I mean? If we're not looking back, we're actually, you know, in the moment I'm facing the right way that can be enough. Yeah. Yes, it's always a process never an event, Jackie. That's you in my head that I carry around. That's one of the phrases that I say a lot. And I'm not saying that my clients like hearing it. No, no. I didn't like hearing it because I think if people think they can just walk in, walk out after one hour or two hours or three hours. You know, it's an it's another story. They might remember with you in particular, you know, what was going through my head when you were saying it's a process, not an event was just tell me what to do and I'll do it. You've got the answers. Just tell me what I will do it. Yeah. And that's part of the whole therapy world, isn't it? Yeah. Allowing the client to have the opportunity to find their own truth. Yeah. And that's powerful. But it's also difficult at the same time. It's like you with a font of all knowledge and it's like you know what's wrong, Bob, you know what I need to do.   Yeah. I do understand what you're talking about Jackie. And that's part of therapy. Yeah. You can do behind closed doors if you like. But no, I think we're also in the whole business of opening doors for clients and allow them to step into the sun. Yeah. And being with them while they do that. Yeah. And exploring a new way of being that that's really powerful. I'm very transformational. Yeah. Thank you, Bob. I really enjoyed this. I really enjoyed talking about this and it reminds me of all the changes and all the therapy journeys I've been on over the many years and I feel very privileged really the people have allowed me to do this job. Really. Yeah. It's a very humbling job that I've been involved in for such a long time. Yeah, definitely. So what we're going to be looking at next time is episode 71 next time Bob you wanted to get to 71 because it's how many years you've been on. Yeah, and I came up with two titles just before about an hour and a half ago. I'm smiling because this is such an interesting subject. You know, how do you work with difficult clients? Not decide. How do you work with clients you don't actually like? Yes. That will be a good one to do on 71. Yeah, yeah. What was the other one I said? Did you write it down? Working with multiple personality disorder. I specialised in that and that's all about how you work with the fragmented parts of the self in order to help them integrate back again. So you've got that one and the other one which is how do you work with clients you actually don't like? That's what we're doing next time Bob. I'm looking forward to that one. Well, it's a really interesting discussion anyway. I think it's a good one to celebrate the amount of years that you've been on the planet as well. Yeah, oh great. And of course you know the real truth is for people listen to this. In some ways it's quite easy. No, easy is a loaded word, but I'll just use it and then no people know what I mean. But it's easier to work with people you get on with and you're warm too and your heart goes out too. Yeah. It's more challenging if you find those clients more difficult. Yeah, and sometimes we don't know why that is. Yeah, so it'd be a great podcast there. Yeah, yeah, we can explore that next time. My 71st, do you say it's number 71? 71, yeah. That's what I want to be to 71 in podcast because it symbolises my age. And it's a really good topic. So until next time Bob. Yeah, thank you very much. Speak soon. Bye bye. You've been listening to the therapy show behind closed doors podcast. We hope you enjoyed the show. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. 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