Welcome to the November edition of Cornerstone Connect. We have a very special program planned just for you. Pastor Gary Mitrick will stop by to share the benefits of a grateful heart. Crystal Tillman will give us a 21 day prayer update and I can't wait to share with you the letters from the mail bag telling what God is doing through your support of Cornerstone Network. All that and more coming up next. Cornerstone Connect, I'm your host Amanda Brocker and I just have one question for you. Have you received your hope today newsletter in the mail? If not, please give us a call at<PHONE_NUMBER> or go to www.ctvn.org and make sure you sign up. We'd love to stay connected with you. And I just wanna tell you, we appreciate those of you who send in your sentiments to us. We love reading them. This comes from Evelyn and she said she's enjoying a newsletter, our newsletter. Yay Evelyn and Katie Farrell and much more. Well Evelyn, thank you so much for your kind words. This is from Susan and her husband Chuck. She said, you are surely a blessing to so many. My husband and I are born again Christians and we give one we can praise God for your ministry. God bless you all. Well, thank you so much Susan and Chuck. And this is from Ken and Pastor Jay. He said, did a fantastic job on the preaching of Friday night. He explained everything so well. Please tell him and everyone there that they are doing a great job. Thank you so much Ken and Carol. We just love getting mail. This is from, oh, Gibsonia. Yay Carl and Margaret. They enclosed a gift for us and they just appreciated our network, the work of Cornerstone and that we gave a tithe to Israel and God blessed them and answered their prayers and they wanted to then turn around and give a gift to Cornerstone. So thank you so much Carl and Margaret. We are just, we're blessed by each one of you and thank you for writing in. This is from Tammy. It says, I pledged this past night. This was from the telethon. She loves the station and she is so thankful for the prayer line and the ones who answer the calls. You know that prayer line is so important. We've had that prayer line right alongside our programming from the beginning. That was of significance and it was something that the Lord really put on Russ enormous heart as necessary and it's amazing that many of the prayer partners are volunteers and they have been a part of this network from the beginning. So praise God for the prayer partners. I love them. I used to work in that department. So they're some of my favorite people. This is from Ruth and she sent in a contribution to Cornerstone. My heart was moved as we prayed for our fellow Jewish followers and the dreadful devastation in their land. I pray our Lord will multiply all the gifts to accomplish God's will. Keep up the good work. I am blessed by the spiritual light that goes out over the airwaves of CTVN. You know, and that is something so important and that we don't ever wanna take for granted is that God has given this wonderful opportunity to be light in a very dark place. And if it was not for your partnership with us, it would be impossible. So we just wanna say a big thank you to each and every one of you who has given. I wanna just bring up this one letter here. This is from Catherine Kathleen. And she has been watching Cornerstone since 1992. Now she had some health ailments and how she found them was through mineral rich. She tuned in and God actually used that to bring healing to her body, which is amazing. And then from there she started watching daily and spiritually she grew with her health journey as well as in other areas of life. But she said we had Dr. Becker on, we had Doug Kaufman. I remember watching them all too. And it just, it helped her. It taught her God's way for her body, which is amazing. And she also appreciates Dr. Charles Stanley and Hope Today and Bible Discovery, which yes, was started by Ron Hembury, one of our former presidents. And we are so grateful for you, Kathleen. She said, thank you for being there any time of day or night. You are my mainstay TV station. We are grateful to be your mainstay TV station. And you know what? I just have to say because of your faithfulness to this network, we've been able to be that constant voice of truth to many people who tune into our network. And we just want to say a great big thank you. Well, coming up next, we have Crystal Tillman. She joins us to give us a 21 day prayer update. Stay tuned. Are you facing a detour? Are things not as expected? Discouragement, frustration, anxiousness, sickness? God loves you more than you can ever know. Romans 839 assures, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God. Call our prayer line or connect with us online. We are so thankful to have Crystal Tillman today with us here for Cornerstone Connect. And you know, you're the director of marketing and development, but I know that you wear many hats and give us a little recap of what's been happening and what's going to happen. Absolutely. So first, we want to say a great big thank you to all of the partners who contributed to our Visions of Hope fundraiser. And if we can put that total up on the screen, raised over $278,000 with the challenge fund, with the pledges and with the white mail that came in afterwards. So we just are so thankful for our partners for that. That was actually a big, huge deal because as you know, Amanda, it came at a critical time when an Israel Christ was happening simultaneously. So I'm so thankful to our leadership. So thank you to Pastor Gary and for Deb and Steve and Tom for saying yes to donating to Israel as well. So that was a big connection for us. And thank you of course to all of our partners out there. Your generosity helps us to spread the gospel. It helps us through our Cornerstone Cares Ministry. Last year, we were able to give over $400,000 out to other ministries, both local, national, and international. And I've got to tell you a little bit about how that Israel connection happened. God really set us up before the fundraiser even started, where we had Larry Huck who had reached out and said, I want to be a part of one of your fundraisers early in the year, February, March of this year. Then we had set up for the Israel calendar to be our offer in October, not realizing what was going to be happening with the crisis at the moment. And then finally, there was just a burden on the hearts of one of our intercessors, Marianne Schieber, our design manager, saying, you know what? God will give the increase if we bless Israel and if we lead Jewish people to Messiah. So there were so many different connection points that were miraculous. A great big thanks to all the new partners out there who are pledging for the very first time. Thank you. And I have to say, one of my favorite things about the fundraiser is the opportunity to get more people on Easy Pledge. That is an easy way to make sure you're fulfilling your pledge month after month. So we just encourage those if you're out there and you pledged, please join Easy Pledge as I did myself this year, just to prioritize the things I've got, just like I do with my utilities and other things and with my church ties, I decided to do that very same thing for this ministry. Great, automatic is always better. We don't have to remember. So if you're able to do that, but you know, I just, I love that everything here at Cornerstone from its beginnings is really bathed in prayer before it ever happens.  Absolutely. And one way to continue with us in prayer, if we can put the website up there, ctvn.org slash crisis. We're gonna be sharing some updates for those who have been concerned, not only with what we're doing as a ministry, but what we're doing to help the people of Israel. And you'll get some prayer updates on how to continue to keep that area. And also to be praying for the attackers as well. We always, we want all to come to know Jesus Christ. So we're praying that hearts would be transformed and that God would put a stop to this battle in Israel. Amen. We're talking about prayer. We finished a 21 days of prayer that I know you wanted to recap on because again, it was something where it kind of brought us and our viewers together in a sense. But what- Absolutely. Yeah, tell us about that. So for those of you who don't remember, it's hard to believe, Amanda. It's been two years, excuse me, two months. Two months since we did that 21 days of prayer. And it was something that really came out of our hearts because of what was coming out of our ministry center. People dealing with anxiety and stress and depression. And so we decided to have this time to refocus our mind on 21 days on the things of God. And the testimonies coming out of that have been tremendous. One partner added a prayer stroll to their time. And if we can just flip through really quickly some of the pictures that came about from her prayer time. She was in West Park here in Pittsburgh. She was seeing beautiful ducks, seeing the pond, walking across bridges and really just celebrating getting closer to God through that experience of 21 days with us. I got a call from a partner named Mary who said at first the 21 days were tough for her. But she stuck out with it. She started playing the blessing. And then she went into the Pittsburgh blessing as we were praying for our families. And she said it was such a miracle. She walked into our church the next day and they were playing that very same song twice within the service. So a lot of people were blessed by that. And so we just encourage you whether you were participating in that 21 days or not to continue in your prayer walk. And Amanda, I know you have an offer that we have for this month, our gratitude journal. So if we could just hold that up for our partners. That's actually something that I use every day in my personal time with the Lord, the practice of journaling. So each day you can spend just a few minutes jotting down three things in the morning and three things in the evening that you're thankful for. And it really again helps you to come out of that anxiety with the wars and rumors of war, perhaps family crisis, healing needs you might have and just refocus on what you're thankful for. Amen. Well, if you want mine, just pray over our viewers.  But I feel like even for our viewers, I know that you all pray over them as well. But even to pray that they could hear you pray over them. I think that would just be a wonderful opportunity. Absolutely. And I'm gonna say one more thing about the book because I forgot an important detail. It's this month with your best gift. So you can call<PHONE_NUMBER>, but let's pray together. So dear God, we just thank you for all of our partners, God. We give you praise and thanksgiving for helping us to do over and above as it relates to everything needed for this ministry, God. We thank you for giving us the ties to be able to send to Israel, to be able to bless ministry and Israel Relief Funds with many thousands of dollars, God. So we thank you for that. We pray for our partners right now that you would meet them where they're at, God. We pray for healing wherever healing is needed, God. We pray for restoration where the restoration of the reconciliation is needed in their families, God. And we pray most of all in this season that they would grow closer and closer to you and have that strong desire to seek your will for their lives. And we thank you for these things in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Well, thank you so much for sharing with us all. I know for me when I hear the good news of what God is doing here at Cornerstone Television, it just makes it real. And there's a lot that happens behind the scenes. We appreciate you and your team and just are grateful for all the things, all the hats that y'all wear, keeping our station up and running and on the forefront and the miracles are happening every day. We're seeing even the miracle of us having the telethon and with that Israel focus at that time, it's just the leading of the Holy Spirit. And we can't thank you enough for being a part of our network.  And as Crystal said, if you haven't supported yet, please give us a call. We would love to have you as a part of our Cornerstone family. We'll stay tuned for more of Cornerstone Connect. Our 24-7 prayer line receives about 65,000 prayer calls a year. I'm Anna Fry, co-host of Hope Today. Our prayer partners have been praying with March for her son's salvation. And she called to tell us that after years of praying, her son received Jesus and is born again. Praise God for his faithfulness. We celebrate this precious life saved. Hope happens here. Hi, I'm Ray Hypal, host of Origins. We're here at the Grand Canyon. That's the Colorado River, 1400 feet below me. We're doing programs because of your partnership with us. You've made that possible through your prayers and your financial support. And I wanna thank you. We're here to glorify God. We're here to show that what the Bible says is true and the proof really is all around you. Thank you for your support. What's important about the prayer line as the heartbeat of Cornerstone television is that the ministry is very important. And this is maybe something that I've had to learn, but that prayer isn't something that is put in the back or that isn't that important. Prayer is so important and it's crying out to God and thanking God sometimes through our prayers and a real direct communication. Prayer is very important. And there is a scripture that I always, that God actually taught me while I was on the prayer line and that I often quoted to people when I was on the prayer line, but it was from Psalm 62 and it said, "'Trust in Him at all times, you people. "'Pour out your heart to Him for God is a refuge for us." And I learned so much from that, just pouring out your heart before the Lord. Whether it's good, it's bad, it's ugly, or it's something nice, tell Him. Whether it's a stumbling block in our life, beseeching God in prayer and really pouring our heart out to Him is so important and He really wants to hear everything. That's what He's shown me and taught me is He really wants to hear everything even when I would say things that were not so good or that I would tell Him how I felt and it wasn't a good feeling. He would heal me from that. The importance of the prayer ministry in Cornerstone, to say it's the heart of Cornerstone television is so true, I think that's how it all began. But God wants to see people healed. God wants to see people saved and being able to pray with people for others, for the salvation of other people, for our cities, our towns, our country, our state, Israel. That's so important to God that we pray and intercede on behalf of other people because He will answer and He will move and however that happens, it's His will. It's so good to be with you on Cornerstone Connect. I'm Anna Frye, one of the hosts of Hope Today. But today, I get to be here with Pastor Gary, our chairman of the board, always such a joy. And Pastor Gary, today we get to talk about thankfulness and gratitude as we're all preparing for the Thanksgiving holiday. But you had the opportunity to write the cover article and something that you said that I loved is that we don't fully realize all the benefits of gratitude. Well, it's great to be with you, Anna. And I always think Thanksgiving is too good to keep it to just one day. Every day for a Christian, a believer ought to be a day of Thanksgiving. Why? Because first of all, I heard somebody say this year's ago, I believe gratitude and thankfulness is one of the healthiest emotions that a person could ever demonstrate or express. Think about that. When you and I are thankful, it just, to me, it changes our attitude. It just changes the atmosphere, the conversation.  And we have to be intentional if we are going to be thankful and grateful. I believe we really have to make an intentional decision to say, you know what? I'm not gonna complain.  I'm gonna stay positive and I'm gonna be grateful and I'm gonna, I think we take the Lord's blessings for granted. You know, the Bible says, bless the Lord, oh my soul, and forget not all of his benefits. And truly, like we are spirit, mind, and body. And so when we have that attitude of gratitude, it is healthy for our emotions. It's healthy for our mind and it brings health to our body and health to this world. And what a beautiful thing that is. And we're full of joy. That's right. And so when we could all use a little more of that, right? Isn't that the truth? And so then whenever the second benefits as you say is practicing thankfulness causes us to intentionally focus on the positive over the negative. Yeah, I agree with that. Again, I think make a choice.  There's a proverb that I really try to live with that says a man has joy by the answer of his mouth. I'm pretty noted for saying, when you ask me how I'm doing, I say I'm blessed. That's true. I'm blessed. Yes. But I think I try to put that scripture, that promise into practice. That, you know, how you doing? Well, under the circumstances. My dad used to say, what are you doing under there? You know, be positive, be, we are people of faith. Line your conversation up with the word of God. I think of the Virgin Mary, when she said, Lord, let it be to me according to your word. When my conversation can be in agreement. We always talk about the power of agreement if two of us agree. Hey, let's first get in agreement with God and in agreement with his word. And I think another key word that you say with a second benefit is that it's a practice because our human nature really will lean towards grumbling, towards complaining, towards looking at that negative. So it is an intentional practice, as you said. And you're right.  We've all been around people that are kind of chronic complainers. I don't wanna be one of those people. I don't think you do. I pray that you don't wanna be one of those people. And you know, here it is. We're in the month of Thanksgiving. What a great month to practice being thankful. I always like to say, hold out your 10 fingers. On one finger, find five different things you are grateful and thankful for. On the other hand, find five people in your life that you are grateful and thankful for. One of the things I always like to do right before Thanksgiving is try to find somebody in my life that I'm really appreciative and grateful for. And I write them a letter. I know everybody isn't a letter writer, but I like to sit down and take the time to just let them know how much I value and appreciate them. Yeah, it's such a beautiful example. And if somebody's not a letter writer, they can send a text or just reach out in a different way. And then lastly, this is a beautiful thing too. You say that Thanksgiving is the very gateway into God's presence. Well, most of us know the hundredth Psalm. I will enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise. So guess what, beloved? You and I are not gonna come into the presence of the Lord unless we are first thankful. That's what opens the gates. That's what's the doorway into God's presence. So what a way to start the day. Start your day. Just wake up in the morning, lift your hand to the Lord, say, Lord, I love you. I'm so grateful and thankful for your presence in my life today. Truly, if we want to have more joy, more peace, if we want more of the presence of God, practicing that thankfulness is the first step and the great way to go. Yes, it is. So thank you so much, Pastor Gary, for your heart and for sharing that with us. Bless you. CTVN values Bible-based Christ-centered programs and is committed to producing programs that draw people to the Lord. I'm Anna, one of the hosts on Hope Today. Audrey shared, I'm thankful that you do your own programs. Each one has ministered to me in areas and times that I most needed it. Hard questions, sister to sister in origins are my favorites. Thank you, partners, who make our programs possible. Hope happens here. Well, I sure hope you enjoyed our time together. I know I love hearing what's happening here at Cornerstone and getting the updates of what has happened. It's so exciting, but I don't know about you. I have a gluten-free child in my house and Katie Farrell put out a grain-free pumpkin roll recipe. So you're definitely gonna wanna get that in the mail. Get this newsletter if you don't already have it. It's delicious. Every recipe we've tried has not disappointed.  It is Thanksgiving time and I think we all need to reflect on being grateful to God. And sometimes because we don't write it down, we forget. You know, even the people in the Bible were like that. So I encourage you for your best gift to call in, get this journal and begin to write down. I'm telling you, you will be amazed and in awe of God and how he is always at work when we record it and write it down. All right, well, I have to get back to some mail here that we just love getting mail, but this came from Jennifer. She said, PS, the Hope Today TV program is a real comfort and blessing during these times. Bless all of you. And this is from Kimberly. She said, love the hard question and prophecy watchers and prophecy USA along with your Christian movies. Kimberly, thank you so much for watching. And this is from Nancy. So thankful for all the new programs. Signs and wonders is so awesome. You all are so special to me. Praise God for Cornerstone. Can't thank Russ and Norma enough for being obedient. Isn't that amazing? Like God speaks to Russ and Norma. They obey him and he opens amazing doors in through a television station. Can you imagine if we all will trust and obey the Lord? What he can't do it, he is always trying to reach people. This is from another one of our faithful donors. Thank you for keeping Arlene on. She was a delight. God bless you all. Thank you for writing in. We all love Arlene. I'm telling you, there was an anointing on that lady to just make you feel at home. All right, this is from Vivian. It's a praise report for her granddaughter, Hannah and husband, Brian and their toddler, Arlo. They completed a successful move to another state. And we do thank you so much for writing in your prairie quest. And if you have any prayer requests, please feel free to give us a call at our prayer line. We would love to pray with you. And I would just like to close this program with the scripture from Isaiah 61. It says, the spirit of the Lord is upon me because the Lord has anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to those who are bound to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord in the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, to console those who mourn in Zion, to give them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning and the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness is gone from me that they may be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord that he may be glorified.


Hello and welcome back to Marxist Voice, the podcast of Socialist Appeal, the Marxist Voice of Labour and Youth, which is also now the paper and the podcast that the right wing of the Labour Party officially does not want you to hear or to read. And we've been away for a while, we've been out on the streets selling Socialist Appeal, we've been out on the demos protesting about kill the bill and Black Lives Matter and against austerity against this horrible criminal Tory government. But we're back tonight with this special live stream to talk to Rob Sewell, editor of Socialist Appeal, about some particularly significant events that have been taking place over the last few days. Socialist Appeal along with three other left wing organisations are to be prescribed from the Labour Party. The crime is simply one of being socialists, no other real reason is given, every other reason given is spurious, and really this is a direct political attack on us, Socialist Appeal as an organisation, and the ideas of Marxism that we represent. Now, today, as I said, the NEC of the Labour Party is meeting to discuss a motion that would see Socialist Appeal and these other groups ascribed. The motion is currently still being discussed, we hoped that there would be a decision by now that we could comment on, but we've also got to face reality, which is that the right wing currently dominates the Labour NEC. And therefore this motion is very likely to pass the right wing are really out for blood and Socialist Appeal seem to be first in the firing line. So obviously we can't comment on the result for certain, but obviously it looks like it will be passing. And with that is likely to come a reported 3000 expulsions. Apparently already 3000 letters have been lined up by the Labour Party's compliance unit to send out to Socialist Appeal supporters and other activists who they deem as incompatible with Labour Party membership. Now that there was actually already earlier today, a protest outside Labour HQ, organised by the groups affected by this targeted by this as long as as well as other groups across the left. The speakers from Socialist Appeal were present as and supporters were there saying Socialists in Stamah out, and we've had an enormous amount of solidarity and support coming in from across the Labour movement big organisations like momentum and other MPs have come out against this. The left NEC members have all publicly stated that they will vote against this motion to prescribe Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell and other MPs have come out against this bureaucratic move. We're seeing also a swell of grassroot support coming in from ordinary Labour members who are angered and outraged that this bureaucratic wing of the party the Blair rights the right wing spending more time attacking the left and attacking this criminal Tory government. We're seeing messages of support explicitly coming into Socialist Appeal from John McDonnell from Ian Hodgston the president of the Bakers Union from Paul Holmes the new president of unison, as well as motions of solidarity and statements of solidarity from grassroots groups that are controlled by the left. And in other words you can really see that this has provoked a groundswell of anger and outrage, unlike anything we've seen really since Jeremy Corbyn suspension back last year. Now, Rob, we're joined with Rob Sewell editor of Socialist Appeal tonight to discuss the relevance of all these events and Rob, just to start us off then as I said this this seems to really be a wake up call for the left the fact that there's thousands of expulsions set to take place probably the biggest wave of expulsions and exclusions we've seen since at least the 2015 2016 Labour purge when they tried to manipulate the results of the leadership election, possibly even before that obviously thousands of members have left out of this discussion and demoralisation on top of that, but it seems to have really been a wake up call for the rest of the left that there's a wider attack coming here against the left wing of the Labour Party, and that now is really the time to actually act and do something, and it's really alarmed the rest of the left so can you just start us off by saying what do you really, what do you see as the significance of this attack against Socialist Appeal and these other groups. I think obviously it's a very serious situation from the point of view that there are whole layers of people who joined the party in order to hopefully transform their lives and the lives of working people and they're being betrayed really by the Labour leadership. I don't know if this is a surprise necessarily because the whole of the last 18 months has been one of an attack on the left and also a shift to the right on behalf of Starmer and Company. It's quite clear that they had a plan, if you like, they had a strategy of ridding the party as they would see it of Corbynism. Of course they couldn't do it in one fell sweep, after all, Starmer stood on a platform of unity in the party and his 10 points and we continue from the 2017 policies and so on and so forth. But he conned the membership in order to vote for them as leader of the Labour Party and while that perhaps being new and knew what the score was in relation to what he was trying to do, many genuinely believe that he would carry on where things were left off, the good policies at that time. Clearly they must feel betrayed at the present moment because it's quite blatant in the way in which the party has been shifted to the right. But there's very little difference between the Tory government and the so-called loyal opposition, this constructive opposition of Starmer. And of course he's also engaged in a review of policies which means they're going to try and ditch the policies as well. It reminds you of the Kinnock days, you know, where Kinnock also started out on the left of course and then used that in order to push the party to the right. He became an established man and he also carried out the purge, a big purge with the militant and then from militant went on to other layers until he crushed the life of the Labour Party. He prepared the way for Blairism as we know. So I'm not surprised at this attack, clearly also that social appeal has been quite prominent I think in the past period in fighting for bolder socialist policies going further. The restoration of clause 4 for instance, the socialist clause of the party adopted in 1918, we wanted to restart because it was taken away by Tony Blair in 1995. And we thought that this is the time for it to be put back in place after all. We're facing the greatest crisis of capitalism for the last 300 years. The time for bold socialist policy is now, it's never been greater. And we got what? We pushed the campaign, we got support from other lefts and so on and so forth who are prominent in the campaign. And 62% of constituency local parties voted in favour to restore clause 4. Unfortunately, the trade union leaders decided otherwise but also we participated on a recall conference because the way this disgusting witch hunt was taking place in the left where Corbyn was being suspended, where parties were being suspended, individuals were being suspended and witch hunted in the party. And we thought, well, you know, there should be a special anybody conference to decide this that the membership decide what's going to happen. Of course, they blocked that again, again, we were pushing like that and we were to the forefront of that. And even now it was the disillusionment with Stammer and the ineptitude of the leadership and the way they perform that we put forward the idea of a no confidence vote in the leadership. But we think there should be replaced. There should be a new leadership contest where the left should put up once again and fight for the leadership of the party. Of course that had also rang alarm bells I should imagine in the leadership of the Labour Party because we have young commies up and down the country putting these motions, getting support around this issue, explaining things politically. And of course there are alarm that this could get support with the change in it. We put forward a rule change as well for the party conference that if there is a no no confidence vote, then there should be an automatic vacancy for the leadership, which is a democratic demand in any case. But all these things must have started ringing alarm bells and that's why we were also put on the hit list if you like, the black list if you like, because that's an amount to a banning of different sections of the party and, you know, four have been put in it now, next week will be another four, the week after that will be another four. This is the way it's going to go on. So this is the beginning of a generalized purge in the party. Let's not, you know, have any illusions about it. And of course, there is a background, isn't it? I mean, the right wing were lost the control of the Labour Party and the ruling class lost control of the Labour Party in 2015 with the election of Jeremy Corbyn. And of course they were terrified it was going to happen, not so much that perhaps for Jeremy's sake, but the masses that now started to collapse around him in a radicalized way and pushing the Labour Party to the left and they did lose control, apart from, of course, the parliamentary Labour Party, which is like a bit of a cesspit, if you like, of the right wing and the official them and right wing councillors and so on. If all those leftovers, if you like, of the past, they were the head bangers of the right, if you like, and they attempted to undermine and destroy Corbyn in whatever way he sees it, whatever way they saw fit there through sabotage, who undermined him left and centre, going to the press.  They're going to keep him, don't worry, they put the victim in their teeth, they're determined to carry this counter-revolution through because that's what it is, an attempted counter-revolution through the Labour Party. We just, we just, we're the hors d'oeuvre, if you like, there's the beginnings of it, you know, and of course they'll come for others once they get away with it. So the day is that they're in financial difficulties now because the membership has fallen so much, 100,000 people have left the Labour Party in disgust and of course there's a financial problem, they're going to make redundant 90 full-time staff, although then they're going to say they're going to take on 30 to 40 agency workers in order to spy on members of the party to see if they're reading socialist appeal or they're declaring, you know, left-wing policies, they route them out automatically and they say, there's no even a right to appeal as far as I understand, it's an absolute disgrace from beginning to end, but what do you expect? What do you expect from this gang of right-wing, if like, well, they're for capitalism, clearly, they want to make the Labour Party safer for capitalism, they're agents of capitalism, let's not mince words here, they are agents of capitalism working in the Labour Party and their task is to make sure that the Labour Party is firmly under their control so it doesn't get out of hand and that's what they've done for years and years and years, for decades and decades and decades but they lost control in 2015, that shocked them and they're not going to, they envy of you, they're not going to have that repeated again and therefore they've got to go for blood if you like, they want blood, they want mass expulsions and they've made it clear, in the past, it means clearing out 10,000, they'll clear them out because everyone they expel, they hope another 100 will leave, it's the moralised, the frightened and so on and so forth and members of the party, so that's where it's all leading. And it seems that this is obviously not accidental in terms of the timing, you've got the Labour Party conference coming up in September, there is a rule change that's supposed to be going to conference that we've helped also pass in many CELPs which calls for a rule change that if it were passed would allow a vote of no confidence in the leader at conference to be binding and force a vacancy force a leadership contest, which would obviously allow the left to actually launch a leadership challenge, given that they would then have a lower threshold of MPs required to nominate a candidate. We've also seen obviously votes of no confidence in Starmer recently, and it looked like up until the very narrow victory in Batley and Spen that even the right wing was willing to get rid of Starmer, it seems now that in the wake of that very narrow victory, Starmer's trying to consolidate and go back on the offensive and clear out the left saying that the Corbynism and Socialists are the problem, that the Labour still needs to move further to the right and so forth. So it all seems like part of this process going into Labour conference that the right wing probably afraid actually that some of these motions could pass clearly they've been stitching up CLPs, AGMs, delegate nominations, all of these sorts of things have been stitched up over the last few weeks and months to try and make sure the vote goes in their favour at conference, but this also seems to be part of that, taking out the capitating the most militant layers of the left are actually the ones fighting for these kind of motions. And in terms of targeting us specifically socialist appeal, they're using on the surface at least these excuses that we're an organisation within the Labour Party, we're a party within a party is the phrase they've used that we're altruists effectively that our ideas are somehow as you say toxic or poisonous. These are all the kind of terms that are being used, and therefore that Labour Party membership and socialist appeal support are incompatible, something that they said, when they actually expelled myself and others, the first time around in 2015-2016 we were actually all let back in after disciplinary panels said that there was no incompatibility. But these are the kind of excuses that you've seen being given by the right wing, obviously a lot of it is window dressing. What would you answer in terms of all of these kind of slanders and smears against us as an organisation? What do you think are the real reasons they're going for us and targeting socialist appeal in particular? Well, as I said, it is obviously a broader question. They're trying to get rid of good socialists from the party at the same time they're embracing formatories and so on, as a means of shifting the party to the right. It's all about that. It's about making sure that they destroy the left as a matter of fact. Of course, they're raising the bogeyman that this is a party within the party. I mean, the right wing have been organised for donkeys years, and they've got their own finances, their own organisation and their own backing from the ruling class, and that's standard fare. The left are also organised in momentum and other organisations in the Labour Party. So what? It's a democratic right to be organised, to bring your comments together, to fight for a particular viewpoint. The right wing are organised and the left wing are organised for God's sake. We're going to sit back and take it. We're trying to fight on a level playing field here. Of course, we're always fighting with one hand tied behind our backs all the time because they're trying to cripple us, they're moving the goalposts all the time. Socialist appeal has been going on for 30 years, so they choose now after 30 years to say, you're incompatible with membership of the Labour Party. Well, why? Have we stood against the Labour Party in elections? No. Have we called for the vote against the Labour Party in elections? No. I challenge them, they can look for every single issue of socialist appeal for the last 30 years, come up with an article, just one will do, I don't mind. That says we are against the Labour Party and we support other parties and they actually won't find a single one, they can't find it because it doesn't exist. We've been loyally supporting the party over the years in that regard against the Tory Party, no doubt about it. Unlike them, by the way, that's the whole point, so they have the hypocrisy of these people. Under Corbyn's leadership, they were going behind and sabotaging Labour's prospects in the general election. We saw the way in which the secret report after the 2019 election was exposed really, the criminal activity of these individuals. In the organisers, full-time organisers paid for the Labour Party, stabbed in the Labour Party in the back and then working against the Labour Party, that's what you had. And then they accused us, you know, went to fight for a Labour government, hard with comrades up and down the country, young comrades prepared to get the vote out and so on and so forth. And we're the ones that are supposed to be expelled.  And everybody knows it, everybody knows it. This is just a flannel, complete flannel, you know, and it shows how far they're prepared to go. Of course, they've got the votes of the National Executive, they've got the votes in the pocket and therefore they're going to try and push it through on the north. They're also attacking Liverpool as well, so another paper is to basically disenfranchise the whole of the Labour Party's on Merseyside until 2026.  They will destroy the party if they have to. You know, I know some people talk about, well, you know, they shouldn't do this because they're going to lose the next election. Look, the right wing couldn't care less. That's a secondary question. As far as they're concerned, their task is to destroy the left. Anyway, Stammer supports capitalism. So does Boris Johnson, that's why they've got very similar attitudes in that regard. They are agents of capitalism. They want to safeguard capitalism because one wants to do it with a smiley face and the other wants to do it with a snarl, that's all. It's a division of Labour but they are pro-, the whole right wing are agents of capitalism. And that's their role because they're well paid and careerists and so on as well.  They're the interests who come in as careerists because they probably picked the Labour Party in areas where the Labour Party had support. You know, they look for which party shall I join, gunner thing. You know, there's the further my own careers and you have that careerism is rife and they do well in the Tory Party or the Liberal Party. They're the same types in actual fact. And they're the ones who are, they're the mafia. They're the ones who are, you know, the fifth column, if you like, in operating the Labour Party, they've not been brought to account because they should have been expelled a long time ago. And MPs, they've been suspended a long time ago of right wing Labour MPs who undermine the support of the Labour Party. We know all this but of course, you know, they are victorious. They cleared out all the lefts from the shadow cabinet straight away, then got rid of Corbyn of course. I mean, Neil Kinnock didn't expel Tony Ben, you know, it's quite, and it shows how far they're prepared to go. They want to turn the clock back to the 1930s, you know, where the left, you know, were marginalized. And yes, there is a tradition where the right wing have always represented the interests of capitalism and to purge the left. And I don't bevin, you know, he's there, he's talked, I mean, it talked off in great glowing terms as the founders of the National Health Service and you know, Stamman, the rest of them talk about the wonders of wonderful health service and wonders of the United Kingdom. They expelled Bevin in 1938, and they banned the Bevinite organization for being exactly a party within a party, and they were well organized of course. I mean, they've expelled people left, right, and sent them where they came to it or suspended them. You know, your Michael Foote was suspended. And Sidney Silverman was going to get rid of. I mean, where their interests, you know, conflict, they take a very drastic action against the left. And of course this is what it's all about. It's ironic is obviously they accuse us of being the alien ideas, the poisonous toxic ideas within the Labour Party. But can you explain a little bit then about what is the legacy of Marxism and the Labour Party, what role has Marxism played historically and traditionally within the Labour movement in Britain. How could I say, a very much an unknown chapter, I think, in the British working class because it's deliberately hid for obvious reasons but the Marxists played a very key role in founding the unions, the mass unions of the GMB. There was a conference where Will Thorne was the leader of the general, the boilermakers unit at that time, the Gas Workers Union was a member of, was a Marxist, a member of the Social Democratic Federation. One of the first workers organizations, political organizations, working class organizations in Britain was a Marxist organization. And the next we came when it was on the general council of the Gas Workers Union, again, the GMB. You know, Tom Mann becoming, becoming again a Marxist revolution, becoming a leader of the engineering workers union, which came into your night. I mean, the whole basis of this new, of the new unionism of the 1880s, 1890s were spurned and led largely by Marxists at that particular time. This is for the creation also for the Labour Party, and the Marxists participated in the creation of the Labour Party as a genuine Labour Party of Labour. In fact, that was the SDF. And they were actually given two seats in the National Executive as permanent seats, you know. So they had, unfortunately, they had a very sectarian attitude, they said a stupid attitude and because they put for a resolution saying the Labour Party should have a bold sources program with common ownership, and it was rejected.  And that showed that the Labour Party at that they became a socialist party before that he was just representing ordinary people in Parliament and became a socialist party. But Marxism has always been present. I mean, even when the Communist Party was formed in 1920 was formed out of the Socialist Labour Party. They were affiliated to the to the to the to the Labour Party and they asked for affiliation, and they were turned down. But and and and commerce could actually goes delegates to the Labour Party conference right up to 1925 because the right wing got in charge and they decided to book them out and that's where bands and prescriptions and all the rest came flowing back in, to stymie the left to drive the left out, basically, and that's what I've done. Although many people were influenced like naïve ever naïve ever and considered himself a Marxist. He said the political trainer that he had was a young man was in the ideas of Marxism, and it affected the whole layer of that generation, even at Lee climate at Lee the leader of the body at the play at the pay, you know, a homage to Marxists who built the pioneers of the British Labour movement. But of course, therefore Marxism was always had a thread if you like a basis within the party defended with it was militant obviously in the 1980s they expelled the militant, not because they were a party because they were so successful that's the point about it, it was it was growing and growing in success they were terrified, because it was putting more, more, I feel like backbone in the struggle itself and they decided to expel militant at that point. And you had people like Tony Ben for instance coming out in in support in an courageous way, Tony Ben wasn't a Marxist, but he said that the party itself needs the Marxist tendency for the valuable input that they can make to the ideas and philosophy and outlook of the party itself.  They're trying to squeeze out everything and have policies just in favour of capitalism and so on but we represent a very honourable or long tendency in the British Labour movement Marxism and now I would say more relevant than ever before. That's the point about it. That's why it's growing. I mean, these attacks and so on don't, you know, don't come for any of no reason that social appeal has been growing left, right and centre over the last couple of years. And obviously, it's become noticed, you know, and therefore they become terrified and the reason for why we've grown is because Marxism is more relevant now than ever before you have the greatest crisis of capitalism with 300 years according to the Bank of England. I mean, if I have a stereotype, we have the polarization of rich and poor and so on, all the ills of capitalism are bearing down and Marxism gives an explanation of this. That's the point about it and offers a way forward. It's a guide to action. It's not a dogma. It clearly gives us a viewpoint about the class nature of society, the class nature of the right wing of how capitalism can't deliver to the gods on the country. It's going to attack the working class. We see that now when they're going to get rid of the furlough system. But this is the beginning of a vicious attack. They want the working class to pay for the crisis of capitalism. And you haven't seen nothing. Yes, there'd be a massive attacks on the working class.  He's got the votes. I think he's going to regret the day because the objective situation, the crisis is going to bear in, first of all, on the unions. And then it'll bear in in the Labour Party because the unions are affiliated to the Labour Party. And if they think they've sold it all up, they've got another thing coming. They may temporarily hold the tide that I can't conute to them. You know, hoping that the tide doesn't come in. But, you know, the class struggle waits for no man as it were.  You know, you can expel us from the working class, can you? You can expel us from the trade union and Labour movement, can you? And are we going to have influence in the Labour Party? You know, if we're all expelled, of course we will because we'll have comrades there who will collaborate with us and so on and so forth. Our influence will grow also in the trade unions. And we will be, if I feel like, coming back with a vengeance in that sense and whatever they do to us now, you know, in fact what's been happening will encourage us, it's going to make us, you know, even more determined to carry things through, because these people have gone away with murder. Absolutely. Unfortunately, I think the left are being pretty, how can I say, a bit of a sorry state when it comes to what they should have done when they had control of the Labour Party.  You know, 300,000 new members flooded in, they were desperate for change, and yet you had this cabal of right wing infiltrators, interest, I don't care what you call them, agents of the ruling class in Parliament, sabotage in left, right and centre, and we were supposed to smile and take it, these spattered faces. I mean, what should have happened, you should have automatic reselection, let the rank and file aside, and they wanted to bring it back in 2018.  How could I have unity with people stabbing you in the back? Come on, tell me. And this is, and look at that policy has now ended up, you know, with the defeat of Corbyn, Corbyn suspended from the Labour Party, expulsion is going to take place, people are being prescribed. That's the failure of the left, I'm afraid to say, because the right wing, whenever they get a chance, you know, they get the bit, the teeth, and they are vicious. When the left have a chance, oh my God, you know, come on, you know, you've got to grow a backbone, you can't let them get away with it. Unfortunately, they've got away with it. They've got away with it. And as a result, we're in this, this, this, this pretty messy situation where hundreds of thousands are leaving the party, and there'll be 100,000 more leader party when they demoralized when the party moves further to the right because that's the intention. And therefore, they think that's the outcome of their, their attitude. So I think that that's a very good call to arms. And as you said earlier, Marxism really is a guide to action. So what would you say to all these people you talked about who had demoralized the 100,000 members who've already left the thousands more who are going to be expelled tomorrow. And what do you say to all of those demoralized or disgusted activists who have left the Labour Party already and are looking for a way forward, what's your, what's your, your program to them, you know, the program of action that socialist appeal can offer. Well, there's a number of angles. First of all, you know, first of all, I think that the left trade unions and they are quite considerably weight should basically throw their weight against this purge and this which they've come up with statements but you got to take it to party conference, they got to they got to raise hell.  And let them roll over us, you know, without any protest whatsoever. And I'm, and I don't mean going through the motions protest. I mean a real fight. You know, there's for instance, there is an on the on the agenda of the conference, as you said, a rule change, which says that any if there's no confidence for there should be a vacancy. The conference range and committee was is dominated by the right wing of blocked us blocked it said I've ruled it out of order. That should be a meatly challenge. There should be a vote on that. We should, you shouldn't give them an inch because if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. But that's up to the leader, you know, I've unfortunately I don't have the power to influence them to do what I think should be done it's up to them. But if they're going to really represent their members and the interests of the working class, then they have to understand that this is a fight to the finish. And they have to understand that this that Stammer and the right wing represent this counter evolution that they trying to impose on the Labour Party.   But anyway, it's this idea that they, they're all into together. Good Lord, we're not all together. These people are established in the back, they treat us and that's the way it is. And they should be, we should let, I don't want to fail the expulsion that the Labour, let the rank and file decide if there should be MPs or councillors or whatever and let them decide. But it's a bit late in the day because it should have been done 12 months ago, 18 months, it should have been done under Corbyn. That's the whole problem. We're running to catch up now. Unfortunately, 100,000 left the party are already is that there's others don't no doubt they're ready to rip up their cards. And you can understand the reason why because the left have been not really up to the mark as they should have been.  And that's what they'll try to do down the line. So therefore, we're in the interest now to defeat this but it's up to them. I would say, of course, if I've been in the party now what 55 years. I'm not very active in the player that is true. Yes, I joined when the Stammer was in Naples man, and I probably have an email or a letter now tomorrow saying I'm booted out. Well, you are. It's life over. I don't think your life's over over why because the class struggle is going to take, take, take its own vengeance on these people. You see the left way the right wing rather. In the 1950s, we're able to have a certain basis as support within society and even in the 90s actually because the world boom but there was upswing in the 1950s. Capitalism could give certain reforms the crumbs off the table if you're like, you know, so you know, my family got a council house, my father was in work, you know, 10 pound a week, you know, there was just not a bad wage at that time. We had, you know, got a wallpaper, we had carpets, we had a fridge, we had a telly, things that we never had before, you know, and therefore these are reforms given to us to because the crumbs that we'd won and capitalism could afford it. But today capitalism can't afford it. That's the whole point. It's the capitalism is austerity is cuts is vicious attacks on the working class. And if you protect capitalism, then you're going to protect protect those very policies that are the interests of capitalism. That's why, you know, we are, we stand out, Marxist tendency. Yes, we take a class point of view. We say that the problems faced by the working class that due to the capitalist system, nothing more, nothing less. And unless the capitalist was ended, then you will not solve the problems of the working class. And even if you make a few gains, they'll give them on with the left hand and they'll take them with the right. Anyway, we've gone further and further back. We've been promised a hundred years ago, bit by bit, we'll get the socialism, you know, just bit by bit. And it's just nonsense. This idea of trying to work within the capitalist system to make it better, to make it more friendly, to make it with a smiley face. It doesn't exist. Capitalism is in deep crisis. It's like a death agony, really. That's the whole point. You can see it. It's engaged in crises of overproduction of trade wars. And above all, look at how it's affecting the working class. Living standards are falling with the biggest cut in real wages. Peter Loomasek, for God's sake, we're going backwards, not forwards. And that's the way that capitalism can only exist. And therefore that's the programme of the right wing. That's the programme that they offer the working class. And the working class, I believe, will not want to go down that road. They will fight like hell against wage cuts and cuts in conditions and so on and so forth. And therefore they're going to come in collision with these people, and they're going to start riling up against them. But they need a voice. That's the point about it. And Marxism gives you that voice because Marxism allows you to understand a broader picture, not the little bits and pieces that make up things. And to see things in a broader context, where things are moving, if you're like, you know, we're able to look into the future a bit more. We've got a crystal ball. It is true. But we have a perspective based upon an analysis of the contradictions of capitalism and the only way out for the working class itself. Whether they fully aware of it, there's anger and bitterness in society, that's for sure. Quickly amongst the youth, that's going to increase, it's going to intensify. You know, the idea that the reform, that the right wing reformism is going to answer by trying to patch up capitalism is a bit baloney, and they'll come into conflict with the trade unions and the working class. And they are, they're not going to survive, by the way, the right wing, sooner or later, and it's not going to be that long, their base is going to be smashed. It's a very little base now, it's in the apparatus, and therefore the left is going to come back, but this of a left is going to be a genuine left, you know, what I mean by that is prepared to go all the way. And what Marxism does is we are not prepared to compromise with capitalism. We are fundamentally against capitalism. We want to get rid of capitalism. We want a bold socialist program that will eradicate this system and create and the wealth created by the working class should be put in the hands of the working class. And that comes by taking over the banks, insurers, companies, the big monopolies, the land and put it under workers control and management by the working class itself. So we produce things, not for profit, we produce them for need, and we really need stuff, you know, the workers have been squeezed to death, or the billionaires can fly off to the bloody moon, they can get a rocket somewhere. And our people are suffering under this, this misery. And therefore, you know, that's the whole basis of it, we have Marxism says there's no way out on this on a capitalist basis, we have to fight for a change of fundamental change of social change in society. So join us, let's build the mass Marxist force with that, that message, that determination in the trade unions and yes, in the future Labour Party as well. And that's an argument, but you know, that's the only, you know, it could be demoralized, it could be fed up, it could be disillusioned, well okay I understand the reasons. But come on. Have a shower. Let's get real. This class struggle is going to go on and we've got to fight it. But the best ways to understand it, isn't it? I think it was, you know, the philosopher Spinoza says, you know, this is not the time to weep or to laugh. This is the time to understand. And that's the key thing.  And on the basis of this calamity that's coming for the working class internationally and in Britain, there's going to be revolutionary elections in Britain and Marxism is going to be and both sources policies extremely attractive to young people and the workers in struggle. And we've got to build that Marxist tendency, because when the next waves and they will come of left wing, they will come flooding into the movement itself. We've got to be there, not just a small group, but a large tendency with a message that can mobilize and gain the year of those workers. And thereby I hope that we can carry the message that we'll get to transform society. This is all about. There's nothing more we are the if like the inheritors of this tradition of this policy of this idea. The collective situation now is right thing for those ideas. You cannot witch hunt or destroy an idea whose time has come. That's what the right wing do not understand. That's what they don't understand. And of course, my phone's going off, which I can't work anyway. I've lost my plot now. But the right wing, yes, do not understand what's going to happen to them and they're going to be thrown out on the year. Let them comfort themselves in the soft seats and the bureaucratic positions. They're going to be out on the basis of the movement of the working class, but let's not make the mistakes we've done in the past. Let's learn from you have to go to the end. You cannot give them an inch. Otherwise, they'll take a mile. We have to have a bow program that's not going to patch up capitalism or turn capitalism. And then just a working people so we can solve the problems, not just in words jam tomorrow, but build the houses, you know, council houses, minimum wage can be a great guaranteed jobs for all. Lower the pension age. All these things could be there with the wealth of society was given to the ordinary people of this society. And that's what we stand for. These radical and revolutionary ideas that they say it's not radical at all. It's elementary, it's basic ideas in a sense, but that's the spirit that we think that needs to be done. And therefore, I urge you, yes, don't stand on the sidelines. Come and join us.  Well, they held to him. The best answer to this birds. Come and join social appeal, help us sell the paper, read the paper. Have you made the paper? Come on, let's get active together, prepare the ground for the future. You know, don't get angry comrades. Get even. That's what he got to do. And that means yes, joining an organization is prepared to go all the way like social appeal. So I've therefore urge you to do that fight for yourselves and fight for your future. Thank you very much, Rob. I think that is an excellent explanation really for why the right wing wants to ban us, why they're so afraid of these ideas of our paper of our organization. And one thing they have done is a service to actually promote those ideas because more and more people now are seeing the name socialist appeal in the newspapers and knowing that if Stammer is attacking us, then we must be saying and doing something correct because there's an enormous anger towards Stammer and right wing for the failure to write any real opposition. So if you're one of the people at home who's watching this for the first time because you've read about socialist appeal in the news recently, then please take on board all the things Rob just said, get involved with us get in touch visit socialist.net, go to forward slash socialist.net forward slash join obviously to get in touch with local activists in your area to get organized in the fight for socialism. Join us in the struggle for socialist ideas for Marxist ideas in the labor movement on the streets, and also help us in terms of donations and subscriptions as Rob said, read the paper subscribe to the paper donate to the organization. Follow us obviously on all our social media our YouTube our Twitter our Instagram our Tik Tok, and share all of our material widely to all of your friends and family and comrades and colleagues, so that we can get these ideas out there the ideas that they're trying to ban they're trying to block. These are the ideas the right wins afraid of and Rob I think is explained very well why they should be afraid of them so just to reiterate Rob's final call to arms there. Please join us in the struggle for socialism visit socialist.net forward slash join, and we'll see you for the next episode of Marxist voice, hopefully in the not too distant future. Thank you and have a good evening.


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All right moving on from culture. We also fall into politics and this is where we get into the law of the land And this is when politics lives downstream of culture culture will guide our laws And if our culture was feminine base awarded women special privileges and removed accountability from it What do you think our laws are doing? By the way, this is where men truly get hurt It's not just that you're gonna take a financial hit It's that that your sense of a man is being able to provide is actually under attack You've been found to be unsuitable. All right, and because the marriage Is is truly only valuable in an economic sense. Men are particularly hard hit by it Both on a psychological emotional level and a financial level and because that we can see the the astronomical increase in depression rates We also see the astronomical rise in suicides You don't see that correlating with women as emotionally distraught as they may be all right and And so one of the things that we can look at as far as culture and what our politics and laws are telling us is not just that Marriages are disposable and they are they're readily disposable You know the running joke with lawyers is you know the divorce divorce is worth it because it's so valuable You know it's it's it's worth paying for is that it's not just that it's disposable Men taking one step back looking at the the legal context in which they're living are really analyzing that marriage isn't necessary It is completely not required to be loved appreciated to have have a relationship life-long relationship It's not necessary to actually have children and raise healthy a productive adults It's advisable for a number of reasons in their studies But you're actually better off not getting married because you're better protected outside of the law than you actually are as men And that's a scary thing You know, you know, we can look at the divorce statistics. The secondary case would be child custody 80% of the time women get custody even though as men with higher EQ Requirements with with a greater demand of your involvement in your child's life as a father Emotional development, you're expected to be there our courts and on the last 20 years have not changed in the percentage of awardees of child custody nor visitation Gender rights have not kept up with the times We can also talk about alimony if if marriages are disposable at will and Merit leak and marable marriage Spousal supports obligation and at marriage. What is the point of actually supplying? Additional financial incentives and I also reserves as far as funding their lifestyles after marriage What is the point of actually doing it in some cases? There are actually some genuine ones, but overall There's not about keeping women afloat. It's not about, you know The social contract and the construction which the laws were actually formally They have not kept up with the time in which women are actually higher educated than men when women are actually making more money On a on per basis of job They may have choose other careers that afforded them other lifestyle choices of Comfort of socialization of a number of things, you know, but that's a choice men typically sacrifice So you have a have a causal effect that alimony is really wealth management's wealth redistribution You know, and we're not the only society that does it's interest in a skin and navy doesn't have that in many cases You know, which is actually kind of a unique way of looking at things The last one was will actually there will be two more another one It is going to be looking at your sexual rights as far as reproduction goes You know, I talked about you actually have more rights to your intellectual property rights than you do your DNA Once you lose control of your DNA, it's over a woman's body a woman's choice But a woman's choice can actually incur after it's no longer her body Post delivery of the child. She has the right to be able to sign away parental parental rights and and financial support arrangements At will be able to give the child up for adoption. A man has no right to that You are tied to her decision at no point anywhere in the process are you allowed to sign off on your rights and obligations to that child? Now I'm not saying it's it's right, but we don't have gender parity on this Beyond that a man who actually claimed lays claim to child custody for a woman who's given rights up to a child Cannot sue for child support payments in a way in which a woman can Again non-gender gender parity and again, we're not even allowed to discuss these things let alone come to conclusions We're not simply allowed to discuss them That's that there's no justice in that. There's no equity


Live from Boston, it's theCUBE. Covering IBM Chief Data Officer Summit. Brought to you by IBM. Welcome back everyone to the IBM CDO Summit and theCUBE's live coverage. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host, Paul Gillin. We have Joe Selly joining us. He is the Cognitive Solution Lead at IBM and Thomas Ward, Supply Chain Cloud Strategist at IBM. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you. Our pleasure. So, Tom, I want to start with you. You are the author of Risk Insights. Tell our viewers a little bit about Risk Insights. So Risk Insights is an AI application. We've been working on it for a couple years. What's really neat about it, it's the coolest project I ever worked on. And it really gets a massive amount of data from the weather company. So we're one of the biggest consumers of data from the weather company. We take that and we visualize who's at risk from things like hurricanes, earthquakes, things like IBM sites and locations or suppliers. And we basically notify them in advance when those events are going to impact them. And it ties to both our data center operations activity as well as our supply chain operations. So you reduce your supply chain risk by being able to proactively detect potential outages? Yeah, exactly. So we know in some cases, two or three days in advance, who's in harm's way. And we're already looking up and trying to mitigate those risks if we need to. It's going to be a real serious event. So Hurricane Michael, Hurricane Florence, we were right on top of it and said we got to worry about these suppliers, these data center locations. And we're already working on that advance. That's very cool.  Yeah, so right now we use it within IBM, right? And we use it to monitor some of IBM's client locations. And in the future, we're actually, there was something called the call for code that happened recently within IBM. This project was a semi-finalist for that. So we're now working with some nonprofit groups to see how they could also avail of it, looking at things like hospitals and airports and those types of things as well. What other AI projects are you running? Well, I can answer that one. I just wanted to say one thing about risk insights, which didn't come out from Tom's description, which is that one of the other really neat things about it is that it provides alerts, smart alerts out to supply chain planners. And the alert will go to a supply chain planner if there's an intersection of a supplier of IBM and a path of a hurricane. If the hurricane is vectored to go over that supplier, the supply chain planner that is responsible for those parts will get some forewarning to either start to look for another supplier or make some contingency plan. And then the other nice thing about it is that it launches what we call a resolution room. And the resolution room is a virtual meeting place where people all over the globe who are somehow impacted by this event can collaborate, share documents, and have a persistent place to resolve this issue. And then after that's all done, we capture all the data from that issue and the resolution, and we put that into a body of knowledge and we mine that knowledge for a playbook the next time a similar event comes along. So it's a machine learning, it's a machine learning, it's a full soup to nuts solution that gets smarter over time. You should be able to measure benefits. You should have measure benefits by now, right? What are you seeing? Fewer disruption? Yes, so in risk insights we know that out of the thousands of events that occurred, there were 25 in the last year that were really the ones we needed to identify and mitigate against. And out of those we know there have been circumstances where in the past IBMs had millions of dollars of losses by being more proactive we're really minimizing that amount. That's incredible. So you were going to talk about the other kinds of AI that you run. Right, well so Tom gave an overview of risk insights and we tied it to supply chain and to monitoring the uptime of our customer data centers and things like that. But our portfolio of AI is quite broad. It really covers most of the middle and back and front office functions of IBM. So we have things in the sales domain, the finance domain, the HR domain, you name it. One of the ones that's particularly interesting to me of late is in the finance domain, monitoring accounts receivable and DSO, day sales outstanding. So a company like IBM with multiple billions of dollars of revenue to make a change of even one day of day sales outstanding provides gigantic benefit to the bottom line. So we have been integrating disparate databases across the business units and geographies of IBM pulling that customer and accounts receivable data into one place where our CFO can look at an integrated approach towards our accounts receivable. And we know where the problems are and we're going to use AI and other advanced analytic techniques to determine what's the best treatment for that AI, for those customers who are at risk because of our predictive models of not making their payments on time or some sort of financial risk. So we can integrate a lot of external unstructured data with our own structured data around customers, around accounts, and pull together a story around AI that we've never been able to pull before. So that's very impactful. So speaking of unstructured data, I understand the data lakes are part of your AI platform. How so? So for example, for risk insights, we're monitoring hundreds of trusted news sources at any given time. So we know not just where the event is, what locations are at risk, but also what's being reported about it. We monitor Twitter reports about it. We monitor trusted news sources like CNN or MSNBC or on a global basis. So it gives our risk angle. It's not just a view of where the event is, where it's located, but also what's being said, how severe it is, how big are those tidal waves? How big was the storm surge? How many people were affected? And by applying some of the machine learning insights to these, now we can say, well, if there are a couple hundred thousand people without power, then it's very likely that there's going to be multi millions of dollars of impact as a result. So we're now able to correlate those news reports with the magnitude of impact and potential financial impact to the businesses that we're supporting. So the idea being that IBM is saying, look what we've done for our own business. Imagine what we could do for you. I mean, as Interpol has said, it's really using IBM as its own test case and trying to figure this all out and learning as it goes. And he said, we're going to make mistakes. We've already made some mistakes, but we're figuring it out so you don't have to make those mistakes. Yeah, that's right. I mean, if you think about the long history of this, we've been investing in AI really since, depending on how you look at it, since the days of the 90s when we were doing Deep Blue and we were trying to beat Gary Kasparov at chess. And then we did another big huge push to On the Jeopardy program where we innovated around natural language understanding and speed and scale of processing and probability correctness of answers. And then we kind of carried that right through to the current day where we're now proliferating AI across all of the functions of IBM. And then connecting to your comment, Interpol's comment this morning was around, let's just use all of that for the benefit of other companies. It's not always an exact fit, it's never an exact fit, but there are a lot of pieces that can be replicated and borrowed. Either people process our technology from our experience that would help to accelerate other companies down the same path. One of the questions around AI though, is can you trust it? The insights that it derives, are they trustworthy? Well, I'll give a quick answer to that. And then Tom, that's probably something you might want to chime in on. There's a lot of danger in AI and it needs to be monitored closely. There's bias that can creep into the data sets because the data sets are being enhanced with cognitive techniques. There's bias that can creep into the algorithms and any kind of learning model can start to spin on its own axis and go in its own direction. And if you're not watching and monitoring and auditing, then it could be starting to deliver you crazy answers. Then the other part is, you need to build the trust of the users because who wants to take an answer that's coming out of a black box? We've launched several AI projects where the answer just comes out naked if you will, just sitting right there and there's no context around it and the user's never like that. So we've understood now that you have to put the context, the underlying calculations and the assessment of our own probability of being correct in there. So those are some of the things you can do to get over that. But Tom, do you have anything to add to that? I'll just give an example. When we were early in analyzing Twitter tweets about a major storm, what we've read about was, oh, some celebrity's dog was in danger. It's like, oh, you know, this isn't very helpful insight. I don't even know the celebrity's dog that was in danger. I stopped saying that. So we learned how to filter those things out and say what are the meaningful keywords that we need to extract from and really then can draw conclusions from. Also, is Kardashian a meaningful word, I guess? That's the question. It's trending. It's trending now. But I want to follow up on that because as an AI developer, what's responsibility do developers have to show their work, to document how their models have worked? Yeah, so all of our information that we provide to the users all draws back to, here's the original source. Here's where the information was taken from so we can draw back on that. And that's an important part of having a cognitive data, cognitive enterprise data platform where all this information is stored because then we can refer to that and go deeper as well. And we can analyze it further after the fact, right? You can't always respond in the moment, but once you have those records, that's how you can learn from it for the next time around. I understand the building test models in some cases, particularly in deep learning is very difficult to build reliable test models. Is that true and what progress is being made there? So in our case, we're into the machine learning dimension yet. We're not all the way into deep learning in the project that I'm involved with right now, but one reason we're not there is because you need to have huge, huge vast amounts of robust data and that trusted dataset from which to work. So we aspire towards and are heading towards deep learning, we're not quite there yet, but we started with machine learning insights and we'll progress in there. And one of the interesting things about this AI movement overall is that it's filled with very energetic people. There's kind of a hacker mindset to the whole thing. So people are grabbing and running with code. They're using a lot of open source. There's a lot of integration of a black box from here from there in the other place, which all adds to the risk of the output. So that comes back to the original point, which is that you have to monitor, you have to make sure that you're comfortable with it and you can't just let it run on its own course without really testing it to see whether you agree with the outputs. So what other best practices? I mean, there's the monitoring, but at the same time you do that hacker culture, that's not all bad. I mean, you want people who are energized by it and who are trying new things and experimenting. So how do you make sure you let them have sort of enough reign, but not free reign? I would say what comes to mind is start with a business problem that's a real problem. Don't make this an experimental data thing. Start with a business problem, develop a POC, a proof of concept, small, and here's where the hackers come in. They're gonna help you get it up and running in six weeks as opposed to six months. And then once you're at the end of that six week period, maybe you design one more six week iteration and then you know enough to start scaling it and you scale it big. So you've harnessed the hackers, the energy, the speed, but you're also testing making sure that it's accurate and then you're scaling it. Excellent. Well, thank you, Tom and Joe. I really appreciate it. It's great to have you on the show. Thank you. Thank you, Rebecca. I'm Rebecca Knight for Paul Gillan. We will have more from the IBM CDO Summit just after this.


And we are back. So why in the morning, hashtag social Friday, hashtag random Friday. My name is Joy Machachi. I'm on Twitter, joy underscore Machachi. You guys, we had gone and break Kiddogo. But right before winter and break, we're talking to one Miss Jean Ojiro. And she's still on set with us. Now that the seriousness is out of the window, let's play a little game. It's called a guessing game. Cindy, are you ready? I love games. Are we feeling refreshed? I definitely. And thank you. I love that you love games, man. I love to guess when you're on me. I'm glad this is a nice game. I hope I'm as good as it is in the Gicho chapter. You know what? So the game is called guess it. And these are the rules. We'll give each an option to choose between Kenyan or international artist, actor, or TV host. We'll then show pictures of the same. And then they'll try to guess it in three seconds. If three seconds pass and they haven't, it goes to the next picture. The person who guesses the most correctly wins. So that's between you and I? I guess Tuna Chesa. Yes, I will. Tuna Chesa and Urekana. That's what's Chesa. But don't worry, don't worry. Just feel free, my dear. And so please, let's start off with the first question or first guessing option. Are you going to pick an artist? Are you going to pick an actor? Are you going to pick a TV host? Let's do international actors. Can we get some actors on the screen? Preferably international actors. Oh, there we go. That was quick. How can I forget her name? Kai, wait a minute. Three seconds, repeat my idea. Wait, I know her, I know her. That was more than three seconds. Producers. Next picture. Don't worry, my dear. I don't know him. Oh, you know him. I do, do you? There's no black woman who doesn't know him. The rock, Dwayne Johnson. Ah, Ellen. What's his name? I don't know. Three seconds of past. I'm not very... Good, good. I can't see her properly. No, past. Okay, next. That's Melissa McCartney. Ah! Wait. Morgan Freeman. Mandela. Oh, my God. I can't believe I hear that. You know. I don't. That's Samuel L. Jackson. Mm-hmm. You're clearly winning the game. That's what happened to Kaserika. Um, um, um. Taraji P. Hansen. Taraji. I love Taraji. I know me too, man. Although she's done too much plastic surgery now. How's she? Yeah. She phones are way too high, man. What? I thought it's natural. And how, man? Botox. Ah, okay. But anyway, yes. So, how was it? Pleased to party at Moscow's. Me, I'm also ready to play the game. I had to chompe. I don't want to do machine-duck. I can't do machine-duck. Yeah, I know. That was the first round. You know, that's the one. Oh, the several rounds. Yeah, that's me. Okay. The one is just a, like, sour. You've gotten two out of six. I love that facial expression. Wait. I feel like I got more. Because I got Taraji. Yeah. Yeah. I got, um, the rock. Yeah, I got the rock. Yeah. I got it. No, I got more than that. I got Ellen DeGeneres. Oh, my God. Ellen DeGeneres. And I got the person before Ellen. Update. Menyonea. Menyonea. Menyonea. I've gotten, like... As a producer's, Menyonea gets to it. Actually, let them recalculate things. I know. But I think you got, um, maybe 50%. Yeah. But what do you want to do? Yeah, what do you want to do? Because I think you're trying to loosen up. Let's give you another chance. Is that all right? So-and-so. We'll try again. But maybe this time with some local peeps. Oh, my gosh. Is that word so better? I'm not sure. You'll do well. Local actors and actresses. Okay. Brenda Wairemu. Good job. Good job. I don't know her. She looks really nice. Come on. I don't know her. She's a genie. She's a dream. I thought she was a dream. A dream. A dream. A dream. A dream. Selena. Oh. I don't know.  Spider-Man. That's Erika Dinger. Oh. The next one. I'm doing bad. Gavegi, Gavegi, Gavegi. Erika. I don't know her. I don't know her. I don't know her. Why so much sign? I don't know her. He's a funny lad. Lupita. I like that she's been put in the Kenyan category. Yes. This is Lupita. I'm not sure. That's good. I don't know. Why? One. Ani-Mizu, Gavegi. This is nice. This is nice. I used to watch that show on KTN. What is it called? KTN. Do you know the show I'm saying? Yeah, I do. She looks different in that photo. She failed this one. This is Jav disconnected. How can I fail, Nick? Jav. Jav. Jav. Jav. Oh my God. Pascal. Pascal, yeah? Pascal to Korea. Next, please. Sarah Hassan. Good job. It's like you're better with the local stars, Masé. Do we have one more? We're through? All right, it looks like we're through. It looks like we're through. You've done well. Awesome, I love this song because I only feel like two. You feel like two? Let's see. I wonder if we still have time to play a little bit more. If not, maybe we can chit chat maybe one or two things right before we sign off and give some time for a heal the relief to come through the next guest. Okay. And as our producers are seeing what they're doing backstage concerning the game, I also want to tell you your scores. In the meantime, Taffa Dahlia, I want to give you a chance to look at the camera and kind of your social media handles. Okay. So that people who are following can follow you. I know my Charlie Walker hook or two, like... Just say the social media handles don't care about nothing else. So, okay. Yeah, my idea. Taffa Dahlia, share your handles. All of them. Samosa, I won't hold back. Trust me. Good, good. So my Instagram is jean underscore ojiro and my YouTube is jean ojiro and my Snapchat, which I'm not usually using too often is also jean underscore ojiro. So basically when you search jean ojiro and any of the platforms, you're just going to get me.  You better follow this young lady and me, I'm backing you, by the way. That's the first thing I saw when you walked into like the studio was like, ah, she needs to be on a runway, not a runway here, like a runway somewhere in Europe. Thank you so much. And I hope that you achieve your dreams. I hope so too. I had so much fun with you. Me too. Your score was actually 10 out of 20. I... You did well. Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. You've done very well. And I hope that you've enjoyed your show. Definitely, definitely. Thank you so much for making some time. Thank you for having me. I have, I see. My name is Joe Machachi. Once again, if I'm on Twitter, join the School Machachi. It has been hashtag social Friday. Hashtag on Friday. Hashtag white in the morning. Do stay tuned and we are not true.