All right. Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the class on keys to supernatural ministry. Thank you for connecting to the class. Thank you for joining us today. I've started the recording, so others can use this. Let's take a moment to pray and then we will get started. So, who wants to pray? Can somebody please take a moment, just pray with a class and then we can get started? Shall I pray first? Okay, please go ahead. Father God, we just want to thank you from the bottom of our hearts for this privilege, for your presence, for your love, for your truth. Lord Father, that we are learning, which sets us free, Father. Lord, as we learn about the keys to supernatural living, Father, we thank you that you have provided for us this ways and means, Father, that we may learn and bring down the kingdom of heaven.  Equip us, Father. Equip us to walk in that supernatural. And Lord Father, walk in faith. And Lord Father, do the works that you have called us to do, Father. Bless each one. Bless our teacher. Bless pastor. And open our ears to hear and receive all the word in its fullness, Father, and glorify you through every aspect of our lives. We give you glory, honor, and praise for all those who are here. And we thank you once again for this platform, for this beautiful privilege that we have. We give you glory, honor, and praise and ask this prayer in the precious name of Jesus our Savior. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. All right. Good morning. Once again. Welcome all of you to the class. We've shared the PDF of what we're going to cover. I'll just quickly review what we did last week and then we need to complete what we started talking about last week. So that's what we will do today. We'll complete what we started last week. I'm just going to go ahead and share. I hope others will be able to join in. All right. So we did key three and then we started key four last week. So key three when we administering the supernatural is the power of the word of God, where we just, you know, sometimes we just have to just bring the word and let the word do its work in the lives of people. And I just kind of just shared some of the things that we are currently doing as we're working with people, just expose them to the word and let the word and the word will do its work in bringing about change. So we started talking about the renewed mind. So that's what we want to focus on. We'll finish that today. The fourth key in either, you know, experiencing the supernatural for ourselves or in releasing the supernatural for the people is for us to operate with a renewed mind. We do not operate with a renewed mind. We just cannot be a channel of the supernatural. You know, we have to move with a renewed mind. That's important. So in introducing the understanding of the renewed mind, we talked about these three aspects. We talked about the fact that there is the natural mind, which all of us use. It's the mind that operates with the five senses and we obviously have to use that for our everyday, day to day life. We process information that comes through our five senses and we use it. But the natural mind is limited. It cannot understand spiritual things. So the natural mind cannot step into the supernatural because it's limited to the five senses. We also made mention of the carnal mind. I'm just quickly reviewing these things we spoke about the carnal mind. The carnal mind is going in the wrong direction. It's focused on satisfying the evil desires of the body and soul. Now, as we see in the scriptures Romans chapter eight and first Corinthians three, it's very possible that a believer is living by the carnal mind. So a person can be a believer, but they're not just living in the natural mind, but they're also in the carnal mind that means they're actually pursuing evil desires. So that's completely opposite. You cannot see the supernatural operating in the carnal mind. In fact, when we operate with the carnal mind, the enemy gains access into our lives. Romans eight tells us that the carnal mind is enmity against God and the carnal mind will result in death. So spiritually minded, it results in life and peace. The opposite is the carnal mind. It results in death and everything opposite to peace, confusion. So a believer, if they're operating according to carnal mind, they're going to just see bad things happen. It's just, it's not right. But then we talked about the third condition of the mind, which the Bible talks about, which is the renewed mind or the spiritual mind. This is the mind that takes on the ways and thoughts of God through his word. And what we were saying last week was for us to be used by God in the supernatural, for us to be able to co-work with God for the supernatural. We have to operate with a renewed mind. So literally we are moving out of our mind. That means we are moving out of the natural mind and we're moving into the spiritual mind or the renewed mind. What is the renewed mind? It's a mind that takes on the ways and thoughts of God. How God sees things, how God works in situations. So that's the renewed mind or the spiritual mind. And only when we step into that are we able to move with God and co-work with God to experience the supernatural power of God. And we were looking at this example from John 6. We talked about how Jesus told his disciples, let's feed the multitude. And we saw Philip. Philip was processing with the natural mind. There's nothing wrong with the natural mind. But you can't see the supernatural with the natural mind. He was doing the calculation. He said, look, we need so many bakeries. Only then they can produce that kind of food for all these people. And we need so much money. Only then we can buy that kind of food, etc. So he was purely looking at from a natural mind. But then comes Andrew and maybe Andrew was operating in a renewed mind because he brought phyllo's and two fish and said, Lord, if something can be done with this, hey, he probably saw a potential for a miracle. That means, look, you've got a starting point. If this can be multiplied, the crowd can be fed. And then we saw the whole process of the miracle happened for the 12 disciples to actually go out and see the multitude fed. They had to step out of the natural mind into the renewed mind, meaning they had to take those five loaves and two fish. I mean, they each wanted to take a little piece of the bread and the fish and walk to the crowd. So imagine you doing that.  I said, Lord, what am I supposed to do with it? Go give it, feed the people.   And then the miracle begins to happen. Another classic example or incident that illustrates this is Peter walking on the water. We are all familiar with what happened in Matthew 14 verses 22 and 23. So this is where we will start today. So Peter, again, this is an example of stepping out of the natural mind and stepping into the spiritual mind or the renewed mind. So Peter is there in the boat. There's a storm happening. He's along with the other disciples. And then they see Jesus coming, walking on the water.  So he is asking for a miracle. So think about it. I don't know if I would have done what Peter would have done, right? But Peter is asking for a miracle.  He's not, I mean, if he wanted to swim, if he wanted to do it in the natural, Peter would jump out of the boat and swam to Jesus. That Peter could do. He didn't need a word from the Lord. He could do it on his own. That is the natural mind at work and the natural ability at work. But of course, the situation was not conducive for him to go and swim on the water to Jesus. There was a big storm, there was heavy wind. So this is not the right time. And it is impossible to just swim across. So this is not Peter's natural mind at work. So Peter himself, in asking for the miracle, Peter is stepping in to the spiritual. He's beginning to think like the way, according to the ways and thoughts of God. Because naturally it's not possible. He's not going to go and swim in this stormy waters.  He's asking for a miracle. He's stepping out of the natural into the spiritual. So here's a key or a clue on how to make the transition. Ask for the miracle. So when you see an impossibility, ask for the miracle. It's going to necessitate you and me moving from the natural into the spiritual. If Peter had decided to jump out and swim, which he could have done, he would have operated in the natural with his natural abilities, but he would not have stepped into the supernatural. By the moment he decided to ask for the miracle, he was moving from the natural mind to the spiritual mind. So simple key. Ask for the miracle. How do we transition from the natural mind to the spiritual mind? Ask for the miracle. Whatever situation. Think in terms of miracles. Think about asking for the miracle. It's going to force you and me to step out of our natural mind into the spiritual mind. Then what do we see? We see Jesus saying, come. So Jesus didn't scold Peter and say, hey, what are you talking about? You can't swim, Peter. It's storm. I mean, you can't come to me on the water, Peter. There's a storm, there's a wind blowing, and only I, the Son of God, can walk on water. Not you. Jesus didn't attribute Peter. He didn't scold him. He simply said, come. Which means the supernatural is available, and it's there for the asking. So God does not rule out the supernatural for you and me. He doesn't say that's not for you. Right now, religion might tell us it's not for you. Other people who don't believe me say it's not for you, but Jesus didn't. And Jesus gave his word. He said, come. That word means it's possible for you, Peter. Come. So the word of God is God's invitation for you and me to step into the supernatural. To step into the spiritual mind. So today, you and I, okay, somebody must have raised their hand or something. Let me just... So, Pastor, I think quite a few people are waiting outside. Rupa, Samuel, Christopher, everybody is texting in the group. All right. Welcome, everybody. No problem. Thank you for interrupting. Thanks for letting me know. Otherwise, I would be going on and on. I would not have known. Okay. How's everybody coming? Anyone's in? Anybody else? Yes, go ahead, Pastor. Okay. Fine. Okay. All right. Sorry. Sorry, guys. I was... I was... Yeah, I think people are coming in. I was on the PDF. For whatever reason, when I'm on the PDF, people can't come in. But, well, I think I can do it. I can split my screen. And if I split my screen, I will be able to see the PDF and also let people come in. So let's do that. Maybe I'll do that going forward. The only problem is I can't share my screen then. Anyway. Okay. Pastor, do you want someone else to share? I can do it for you. Okay. So if you share the screen, if you share the PDF, and then I keep this on, how will that work? You can share the PDF from there. Oh, you're sharing the PDF. I keep this on. That work? I don't know. I think there might be people outside still. Are there? And I need to also see the chat. So that's another problem. Hmm. Okay. Anyway, so let's just quickly recap for the benefit of those who came. So what we did... Are there any more people waiting outside? Did you know from the WhatsApp group? Okay. Anyone's coming? Should be in... I don't see anyone else. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. I'll just stay here for a while and then shift to the PDF maybe later. And maybe we'll try out... Maybe Co-host can help. Okay. Hmm. I try to... We've got to try that out, Tarun. I'm not sure. Let's try that out sometime and see how to make it work. Like you share the PDF and I just do the class, but I will see how to work that out. Okay. All right. So for now, let's just go on. That's a stiff finish. So, yeah. So we talked about the, you know, we just quickly reviewed for those of you who have missed the first 10, 15 minutes. We just quickly reviewed, you know, what we did last week. And we also talked about the natural mind, the conical mind, and the spiritual mind. And what we are trying to say is, okay, you know, in order to see the supernatural, we need to operate in the spiritual mind. We also just quickly reviewed John chapter six, the miracle where Jesus multiplied the fish and the bread to feed 5,000 plus people. And if we were one of the disciples, we would have had to step out of the natural mind and into the spiritual mind in order to co-work with Jesus to feed the multitude, right? Because he would give a piece of bread and fish and said, go pass it out. So they just had to do it. Then that was not the natural mind at work. It was being, you know, stepping into the spiritual mind. So we reviewed all that. And then we started looking at just one more incident. So our goal today in today's classes, how do we operate in the spiritual mind? That's what we're building up towards, okay? How do we operate in the spiritual mind so that we can be instrumental? We can be used by God to minister to the supernatural. That's what we want to learn. So we started looking at the miracle of Peter walking on the water in Matthew chapter 14. So some of the things that we said was, Peter asked for a miracle. And asking for a miracle, he was forced to step out of the natural mind into the spiritual mind, right? So Peter was a fisherman. So obviously he would have known to swim and he could have done it. But that would be the natural mind operating using his natural abilities. But at that time, Peter said, Lord, if it is you, then bid me to come to you on the water. So Peter was asking for a miracle. And in asking for a miracle, he was shifting from the natural mind to the spiritual mind. So that gives us a key. How do we shift from our natural mind to operating in the spiritual mind? Well, ask for a miracle. So if you and I make it a quote unquote habit that when we want to minister to the supernatural, when we want to see the work of God taking place, we ask for a miracle. We ask for something that is not possible in the natural. So what we do, it will force us to move from our natural mind to our spiritual mind, right? So when somebody comes to you with a problem and saying, you know, this and this and this and this and this and what's happened, of course, things can be done in the natural and sometimes they may need to address things in the natural and that's fine. But when they've told you everything and you know that, look, it's not going to be possible. There's nothing they can do in the natural to take care of the situation. Hey, ask for a miracle. It'll force us to move from the natural mind to the spiritual mind. That means now I have to move with God thinking and doing according to his ways and thoughts. That's operating in the spiritual mind so intentionally putting yourself there and that's what Peter did. He said, Lord, if it's you, bid me to come to you walking on the water and then we see Jesus' response. Jesus didn't say, no, this is not for you. He didn't say that. He said, come. And what we were saying is every word from God, every promise of God is an invitation for you and me to step in to our spiritual minds based on that word. So every word from God is an invitation from God to step into our spiritual mind. He said, okay, I can't do this in the natural but I'm going to see, you know, I'm stepping in my spiritual mind. I'm going to operate according to the ways and thoughts of God. So Jesus gave his word. Come. You can do it, Peter. Come. And so Peter gets out of the boat and he walks on the water to go to Jesus. And then the last point which we are already familiar with is the moment Peter got back into the natural minds, fear came in, right? So Matthew 14 says, when he saw the winds, he was afraid and he saw it. So obviously this was a very turbulent situation. The winds were blowing. The waves were high. What did Peter do?  So I started looking at the wind and the waves. That means now his natural mind has kicked in. Say, these waves are really rough. These waves are really high. The wind is really strong. And what am I doing on the water? He was afraid and fear came and he began to sink. So once again we are reiterating if we want to walk in the supernatural, we have to walk in the spiritual mind. The natural mind cannot operate in the supernatural. That's what happened. Now it was not Jesus' fault. Jesus given the word, come. It is not Peter can't say, well, this is the will of God. He wanted me to sink. That would be wrong because that's not what God wanted. That's not what Jesus wanted. It was just that his natural mind was at work and the natural mind cannot operate in the supernatural. But then thank God for his mercy. When Peter cried out for help, Jesus pulled him back on up and they walked back together. But there are these three key lessons we can learn. One, to move from the natural mind to the spiritual mind, to the simple thing, ask for a miracle, to the word of God enables us to walk in the spiritual mind. So look at the word. Hold on to the word. What is the promise that you're acting on? What is the promise you're ministering on the basis of to the person? It's the word you've got to look latch on. You know, just to use a simple word, you've got to latch on to the word because that's the thing that's going to help you and me operate in the spiritual mind and keep us there. The third thing we learn is this. The moment we get back into the natural mind, we can't operate in the power of God, the supernatural power of God. It's okay. So having understood this, we're going to now go into scripture passage. It really helps us in a practical way to minister the supernatural, of course, but helps us, you know, operate in the spiritual mind. In practical day-to-day situations, you know, we've used this picture of Peter. We've taken these three insights from them, but we're going to go now to first Corinthians. Let me share the PDF or Theron, you want to, you have the PDF with you. I know we didn't plan for this, but I don't know if you've already... Yes, Pastor, I'm trying. Okay, you got the PDF. Okay, do you want to... I have the notes. I have downloaded it. I'll share it. I'll try. Let's give this a try. Let's see if it works. And then maybe in the future classes, we can go ahead and share it. It says an error occurred. I'm not sure if I have permission. Oh, maybe. Okay, settings. Host controls. Host, let you restrict what part of the screen can do in the middle. Let everyone share the screen. It's turned on. Let you...  Only host can share the screen. Okay, I've turned it on. So, please try now. Yes, still not working. Okay. All right. We will work this out. Maybe outside of the class and sort it out. I'll just go ahead. Thank you, Theron, for trying. We will sort it out afterwards. Let's... Let's use this PDF here. And let's go forward. All right. So, what we want to learn now is this, you know, since we know that operating the spiritual might be so important in order to see the supernatural, and we looked at it in both these examples, you know, can we learn how to do this practically? And I find that this first Corinthians chapter 2 was 11 to 16, where Paul actually contrasts the natural man, the spiritual man, is a very, very useful text to help us understand how to do this. So, we're going to spend some time here in this passage. Could somebody please read this for us? First Corinthians chapter 2, verses 11 to 16, please. Shall I read, Pastor? Please go ahead. First Corinthians chapter 2, verse 11 to 16, for what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him. Even so, no one knows the things of God except the spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from God that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit of God. And they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him, but we have the mind of Christ. Amen. Thank you. All right. So this passage outlines for us how to know the mind of the Lord. And what's involved in knowing the mind of the Lord. That means knowing the ways and thoughts of God. That's what we said is a spiritual mind. How do we do that? And what goes into that whole process of knowing the mind of the Lord? Because if you and I want to minister to the supernatural, you must know the mind of the Lord. The ways and thoughts of God and operate in line with that. Just what we saw in the example from John 6 and Matthew 14. Because if you operate with a natural mind, there's nothing wrong, but the natural mind will only operate within according to our natural abilities, what we can do in the natural. But if you want to see the supernatural power of God, we must operate in the mind of God. The renewed mind or the spiritual mind. So look at it carefully with me. So verse 11 tells us something that we all understand and know that the things of God, the spirit of God, he knows the things of God. So the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit is the one who knows the mind of the Lord. That's in verse 11. But then when we end up in verse 16, it says we have the mind of the Lord. So between verse 11, verse 11 says, no one knows the things of God except the spirit of God. The spirit of God knows the mind of the Lord. Verse 16 ends up with, we have the mind of Christ. So we end up receiving the mind of the Lord. So in between, it's telling us this whole way, how do we end up knowing the mind of Christ and knowing the mind of the Lord? Well, here's what it takes. So verse 12 says, helps us understand that the Holy Spirit has been given to us so that we will know what's freely given to us of God. So verse 11, the Holy Spirit knows everything about God, but he's been given to us so that we can know what's been freely given to us by God. So we can know the ways and thoughts of God or we can know the mind of the Lord. So the Holy Spirit is going to communicate this to us. But what must we do? Verse 13, but he says, when the Holy Spirit teaches us, he says, this is not going to come in words which man's wisdom teaches. I'm looking at verse 13. Right? It's not going to come in words which man's wisdom teaches. It's not going to come according to, it cannot be processed, let me put it like this, it cannot be processed when the Holy Spirit is speaking to us. It cannot be processed with just our natural mind. But verse 13, we must compare spiritual things with spiritual, that means we must be in our using a different frame of reference, so to speak, to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying. Because when the Holy Spirit speaks, we cannot process it with a natural frame of reference. We have to process it with a spiritual frame of reference. That means he says, we have to compare spiritual things with spiritual. What the Holy Spirit is saying has to be processed differently, not with a natural mind, but with spiritual mind, with the spiritual frame of reference. Practically, when you're ministering, somebody comes to you and they're sharing the situation, the problem, you're going to say, God, I want to minister supernaturally and I want to see this person receive a miracle and then the Holy Spirit may tell you to minister in a certain way and he may tell you to tell them to do something, whatever. Now, when the Holy Spirit speaks to you to minister a certain way or to tell them to do certain things, you cannot process it with the natural mind, with just the natural mind. It has to be understood with the spiritual frame of reference because sometimes, many times, what the Holy Spirit is leading us to do, cannot be understood with the natural mind. Sometimes, maybe it's just a simple thing, you lay hands and pray, rebuke that condition, rebuke a spirit of infirmity or tell them to release forgiveness for something. Tell them to do this. How is that going to work out a miracle? How is that going to cause a miracle? The natural mind can't figure it out. But we process it with a spiritual frame of reference. We know that in the Spirit things will happen and so you process it with a spiritual frame of reference and you operate from there. Verse 14, the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, the foolishness. He cannot know them, they are spiritually discerned. So verse 14 says, sometimes what the Holy Spirit is revealing or what the Holy Spirit is telling us to do may even be foolishness to our natural mind. That is the natural mind will be unwilling to cooperate. It's like, hey, I can't accept it. But that's when we make a deliberate choice to go with what the Holy Spirit is telling us. Because these things are spiritually discerned. So we are transitioning from, we are transitioning to knowing the mind of Christ and operating with the mind of Christ. So the Holy Spirit, verse 12, reveals the mind of the Lord. Verse 13, we process it with a spiritual frame of reference Verse 14, we make a deliberate choice to follow the instruction of the Holy Spirit even if it sounds foolishness to the natural mind. You know, if you and I were one of the 12 disciples and Jesus is saying, go and distribute it, our natural mind will fight. Say, hey, how is this going to happen? I've got a small piece of bread on this dish. How can I feed even, it may not be enough for one person. And what if I go there and nothing happens?  The natural mind will have all these questions. It's foolishness. But we're making a deliberate choice to go with what the Holy Spirit is saying. Because you're spiritually discerned. You're spiritually understood it that this is the way God will work and so I'm going to go with it. Then verse 15 it says the spiritual man, the man who's operating here was with the spiritual mind, he's judging all things. That means you're not like going blindly, you're judging, you're very aware of things. You're recognizing the natural, you're recognizing the spiritual. He himself is rightly judged by no one. That means he himself cannot be judged by the natural mind. He doesn't allow the natural man to dictate things to him. So when you are moving in the mind of the Spirit, which what the Holy Spirit has given you, it's not like you're blind, no.   That's what verse 15 is saying. He himself is rightly judged by no man. That means the natural. So you're not letting the natural dictate, natural man dictate to you and you're not afraid of the judgment of the natural man. So the natural man will not understand you. They may say things about you because they're not operating according to the Spirit. And then verse 16, for who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? Obviously the natural man cannot tell God what to do. But as we go with what the Holy Spirit has revealed to us, what happens? We end up with the mind of Christ. We end up walking according to the ways and thoughts of God. So verse 11 starts of saying the Holy Spirit knows the things of God. Verse 16 ends up by saying, look, we've got it. What he knows, we've got. And we are now moving in the mind of Christ. The process is, I'm going to repeat this just quickly once again. Verse 12, the Holy Spirit reveals it to us. Verse 13, he must understand it with the spiritual frame of reference. Verse 14, he choose to go with what the Holy Spirit is saying, even if it sounds foolishness to the natural mind. Verse 15, we don't let the natural man judge us or dictate things to us because we are looking at all things both in the natural and the spiritual. And verse 16, we now end up ourselves with the mind of Christ. That means we are now ready to move into the supernatural. We know what God wants us to do. We're going to step out on it. We're going to operate it in it. We've locked in to the mind of Christ. And then that's how we can minister in the supernatural. Samuel, I see a comment there. Let me try that out. Notice for me and I'll see if that works for us here. Thank you for sharing that information. Okay. So, any questions on this whole thing of how do we move from the natural mind to the spiritual mind so that we can mmm, good. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that works. This works. You can see the PDF and we can have, we can see the chat as well. Okay. Good. Thank you. Any questions so far on this? So, what we're emphasizing today is if you're going to see the supernatural power of God released through us, we have to operate in the spiritual mind. Right? Take, for example, just a simple example. If you want to release a word of prophecy or you want to release words of knowledge, the Holy Spirit gives you the information and you know, you will have to process it with a spiritual frame of reference because immediately if you try to do it with your natural mind I say, God, I don't know what this means, how it's going to happen, et cetera, et cetera. Then you make a decision. Look, even if it sounds foolishness, I'm going to go, I'm going to minister this way.  You're aware of the natural, aware of the spiritual and you're choosing to walk in the spirituals. You're not going to let the judgment that comes with a natural man hinder you, hold you back, put you down. And then you move with the mind of Christ. When you move with the mind of Christ you release the word of knowledge, release the prophecy and let God fulfill it. And then that will be, you know, a testimony that this was of God and God is at work. Okay. Any questions on this that we all understand it? Okay. Everybody's very quiet. That means you're in your spiritual mind. You can now come into your natural mind and ask me questions. Contemplating. Okay. Okay. All right. So I'm assuming you've all followed with me. Okay. And I see your comments. You're contemplating. You're sinking in. Okay. And fine. Okay. We're going to close now. Go ahead. Go ahead. As profound as this concept is probably help maybe a few of us if you could share a personal example from your life something that you practice or you've done in the last what we speak. Okay. Simple, very simple things would be like, you know, the words of knowledge. When you give words of knowledge, you know, the word that comes is very, it may be very strange, you know, and so many things have happened but I'm just giving one example is so I just come, you know, the service was the worship was over just walked up the stage in that moment and I saw a picture. I saw a lady playing on the piano and and I got a sense of okay. You know, she's going through a very hard time. You know, it's a very, very difficult time in her life. And but God, you know, but this is what she's doing. She's playing in a piano that's bringing ministering bringing healing to her but God is speaking to her and God is saying that, you know, He will intervene in our life situations and so on.  So second, sorry, first go into chapter two verse 11, the Holy Spirit knows verse 12, He reveals but we have to process with a spiritual frame of reference.  So if I limited it to my natural it's like, hey, maybe I'm just imagining something or what nonsense is this, you know, I don't want to make a fool of myself. You know, I could speak myself out of giving that word of knowledge. If I just process it with my natural mind. So what do I have to do? I have to practice verse 12, which is I have to spiritually discern it. I have to receive this and choose to operate with a spiritual frame of reference. Then verse 13, it means it's foolishness to me but I'm making a deliberate choice to go with it because I know Holy Spirit reveals something, right? And unless I step out on it, no, people are not going to receive it. I won't be able to release it and nobody's going to be blessed, right? And then verse 14, I know all these people are looking at me. Some people think I'm crazy.  Some people think I set it up. Whatever the natural mind wants to think.  That means I am aware of this natural, I'm aware of the spiritual. So what I do, I know I've got this word. I'm going to release it. So I just say, okay, this is what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a person. I'm seeing a lady. You're sitting at the piano.  This is what's happening. And if there's a time frame, like I might say, okay, this was happening in the last two months or whatever, you know, just say that. And this is the message God is giving you, right? Your life has been devastated. You're going through a difficult time, but the Lord is saying it's bringing healing. It's bringing restoration. So simple process, receiving a word of knowledge, looking at the details, then speaking it out.  Sometimes if it is a little, you know, you don't want to make the person feel bad.  There's no set rule, but we just follow that, you know, you don't embarrass people. So in this case, because it's a lady and it was very personal, I didn't say, you know, raise your hand, but come after the service. Meet me. Sure, right after service, this lady came. Now this lady was visiting the service. She had come down from the U.S. So it wasn't even a member of our congregation. I didn't know what was happening in her life, but this was exactly her situation. She was somebody who had just bought a piano. She had just bought a piano to her house and she was going through this very difficult time in her life. This was what was, she was playing the piano and this was what was bringing her healing during that season.  He's going to do that. So for her, it meant a lot because she was not a member of this congregation. She's just visiting from the U.S. This is exactly what's going on and that one thing was so significant, you know, playing the piano because that was exactly something she had bought to her house and she just started doing it and, you know, this. So, but for me, I had to go through this process where the Holy Spirit knows everything but he is revealing a little bit but then I go through this process of choosing to move from the natural mind to the spiritual mind and then a supernatural, the supernatural can be released. So just one example of a simple example of how, you know, we work through the process. Now once you get used to it, then you know, you know, you don't have to look like on verse 11, verse 12, verse 13, verse 14. It's just something that you just flow in and out and moving to the next spiritual mind may operate with the natural mind. Does that help? Okay, so go ahead and practice this. Go ahead and do this, but I would say it's very necessary if you're going to see the supernatural. We've got to be willing to move with our spiritual mind. Okay. We're going to wrap up. I just would like to request somebody to pray and then we will dismiss. Could somebody unmute and pray for us as a class and we will dismiss. Okay, everybody's quiet. I can go first. Thank you, Heavenly Father, for this time, this fellowship. Thank you for bringing us to the truth of your word and how you want to work through us. Father, on our own by our natural means we are limited. We are confined and there's only so much we can do. Father, help us surrender ourselves to you and let you come into our lives, into our meds, awaken our spiritual mind so we can operate through our spiritual mind and we can be a blessing to everyone for your glory, Father. Use us. If there's anything that holds us that makes our natural mind come up and doubt, cause fear, anxiety, or unbelief, Father, we ask you to heal us. Make us whole. Make us strong in you. Give us your spirit and enable us to operate through our natural, through our spiritual mind. Father, we thank you for Pastor Ashish and his ministry. We thank you for making this APC Bible College online possible. This is your work. We glorify you. We thank you for everyone who's been able to join in today. Bless us. Enable us a quick response. This and everything else we ask in the name of Lord Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Have a good rest of the day. Amen. Enjoy your day. See you again soon. God bless.


Hi everybody it's Sam at Mixed Up Craft, thank you for watching today. So here I have box three from the Papercraft Society, so this is the third kit that they've done and this one is by Brecht Rosa. So when I heard that Paola was doing one of the kits I was really excited because I love all the Brecht Rosa dyes that she does and I featured them you know a lot in my tutorials. So I have it, it's beautiful. For those of you anybody new watching the box is when you receive them whatever the pattern is on the box gives you an idea of the theme and the colors that are going to be throughout the kit. I will link up here the last two and you can see the unboxings there just again in case you're new and you've not seen it so you can see what it's all about. So this is a monthly subscription kit but you don't have to you can dip in and out of it. So you pay per month if you don't cancel it we'll just carry on but you can cancel at any point and you can subscribe I think there's a quarterly, you can do half a year and you can do the full year as well and you save different amounts by obviously you know depending on which plan you take out. Anyway so this is how it comes, this is the box, always really really nice and I love the silver foiling on this one and then inside you always have a nice little kind of quote on the top here so it's a celebrate love, fun and friendship with this kit from Paola and then inside we have our envelope so you will get one of these envelopes in every single kit and the idea is is that you collect them and you stack them as if you've got your books kind of on your shelf and on the side here it says paper society box three and it says bright rosa, beautiful, really really lovely. So we'll do the envelope in a moment let's have a little look in here first I always try and save the tissue paper and sometimes yeah you get little like confetti's some like bits of glitter and things like that it's quite nice actually. So we've got our three little cubes so these are your hybrid inks so we've got a nice very like soft pink got like an olive green and then like a teal green which I love because I do love teal and again just so you can kind of see this is what I've got so far from the previous kits so eventually you will have a real nice collection of a variety of colors because look you can start to see like where you'll start to get all your different green shades and already now I've got a couple of nice pink tones there and what else have we got we've got the blues the purples of black so really nice the black's great like I said it's a hybrid so you can use alcohol inks or your watercolor so yeah it's nice to start having them I need to look for some nice little storage for ink cubes actually because at the minute they're just in my drawer kind of you know they go you know move all around so that's those three there then we have some blending buds so they're like your little makeup I use one of them for like my highlighter in my makeup bag so these are tiny ones they're very cute so you get three of those then we've got some black and white twine you got quite you've got loads there actually there's yeah I don't know how many meters but there's a lot on there then you get your card so every month you do get a different card this one says be a rainbow maker add a whole spectrum of color to your life and then this is to get organized so this one is use this grid to create an ink pad swatch oh okay so you can actually put your ink pads on that one swatch out your colors so that's handy I've started to put whole punches in mine and I keep them on a binder ring and just have them hanging because the other two had the your card sizes and then there was another one which had box sizes I think it was which was in the Simply Made Crafts one then here we've got some adhesive crystals nice silver ones they go with everything you know so yeah they get used and then we've got the cardstocks this is your coordinating cardstock so in a moment in the envelope you have your patterned paper but this is the cardstock so we've got this absolutely gorgeous lime that is such a nice color then we've got like a lighter kind of teal color there it's got more of an aqua actually I would maybe say that is then we've got that soft pink and then that lovely mirrored card that's a real nice palette of colors there and my kind of colors I love again if you follow me you'll know me for my bright colors and just clashing things that's what I kind of tend to do that's what I enjoy so you'll see there they're going to work really well with your ink pads there all right so that's all the card and then these are lovely put them in like a shaker card in between some acetate they would look nice I'm just going to pop that all back in there because I what I tend to do is I put my cardstock in my envelope as well and keep that all together but I'm just going to pop it all back in here for the minute okay then you've got your little booklet here and you always get I think it's around 15 projects inspiration and I actually feature in this one which was really nice so this one has a nice little welcome as always by the designer and then talks about you know their background as a designer and what they do again if you're familiar with my channel and with craft stash bright rosa is one of the designers and bright rosa is her his her brand so it's yeah it's really really nice it talks all about that it's like an interview with paula this is what we've got to come which I'm going to show you and then you've got your inspiration so some absolutely gorgeous projects I'm going to have a good old look through this I do like to see who's done what and you always learn something new or maybe it reminds you of something you might have done you know before there's my one so I've done this one here we do have a brief so mine was to use this rose stamp and I just put that one together there and you can see where I've used the the mirrored foil you know the the silver card stock and that was on a six by six card I really like that one I'm biased but I did I enjoyed making that one so and then I just to show you how to do it then you've got these here so nicky's done five quick makes and she's used the dies I saw the dies and I was like oh my gosh these are amazing very bright rosa I think there is quite a style when you see these you do you do think of them being bright rosa so yeah she's certainly got a look about her dies Jeanette she always does a lovely card we've done quite a few in this one actually so I look forward to looking at that in more detail and then nicky oh no sorry that's not nicky it's Ruth I like that one where it's all kind of layered up that looks nice and then there's some obviously techniques to that and then it just gives you a little kind of conclusion there little um what's the word I'm looking for anyway it's very nice so let's have a look at this this is always my favorite bit I love I love the envelope so really nice nicely made so what have we got on this one it says create cards little memory albums and home decor using all the elements this one says there is nothing better than settling down to craft with a fully coordinating kit and then that one says it's all about the layers die cut stencil and stamp then finish off with a little sparkle okay so we'll start from this end here so we've got a stencil so we've got this beautiful flower then we've got all these like polka dots very geometric you've got that look there again that's very much a staple within powlers design she loves geometrics and I believe I hear I say it quite a lot she loves hexagon shapes as well so they're going to be nice to use and then the flowers so see what I mean about that kind of hint on the box to what's inside this is that print that was on the top of the box and in here so you I think it's three sheets that you get so I've got one there but there must be more oh they're all separate so we've got this one got that one I love that type kind of print in the background the star that was the one that I used in the card which is nice it looks like you you know when you make it it looks like you've done that as a separate mat and that as a separate mat and then you've layered your strip on top actually it's just one piece so it was nice to use and then you get it again yes it just repeats so there's that one do you really like that one that's lovely that one the star and oh no it's three of the color paper sorry two of your pattern yeah so there we go feels like I've got another one there no I don't and then they're nice and thick they are a lovely you know paper there so that's your patterns really nice then onto the stamp set so I did already see this because I was playing with this a couple of months ago but I didn't see everything so but I've seen the stamp set and it is lovely really nice if you've got some nice little small sentiments here I thank my lucky stars for and then you can use your dies and these pieces here to finish it off and you've got the you the love and the other that's the rose stamp there that I used and coloured and I coloured it using the inks so again if you're someone starting off the kits are really nice because those inks are really versatile you can you know use them in so many different ways it's not just for stamping you can use them to colour love the heart there with that font and then these are all your separate leaves so you can create some really kind of funky looking flowers you know if you were to stamp every leaf differently or something I think they'd look quite cool so I'm looking forward to using that and then here you have your pre-die cuts so you've got your birthday wish you're sending love and thank you there and then you've got these ones you've got some tags and then you've got those nice ones there as well so they're all yeah really really nice but I haven't seen the dies probably only saw a picture look at these and it's six by six they always get so excited um let's have a little look in this one take it out that plastic because it always usually gets a glare on the when I'm filming but this one here looks like it's six by six or will certainly sit it might just come in under just so it sits on a six by six yeah so it's five and five eights so that's going to be a perfect mat on a six by six card but that's how you can do that kind of layering that staggered layering that was on one of the inspiration cards I turn it that way you can see the you that's a nice one you just about see it there we go maybe if I put there we go it's better so you see the you got some sprigs you got like a little tag I like these ones where they look like a metal kind of plaque and then you can see the detail with this and I imagine I'm just guessing but I would have thought that if you were to die cut this one oh and I'm glad they haven't joined them up I don't know if um any of you got the kit last month and it's it is easy to do but I'm not a fan of when dies are all joined together and you've got to cut them with some pliers these aren't it's so much better so thank you craftstache if you're watching and I imagine yeah so you can stamp this and this will frame your stamps and even the small ones yeah can you see that tiny little bud or leaf there that will frame perfectly with that one there I'm just trying to make sure you can see it on camera but yeah so they're going to look so you can do a really cool looking effect with that but you can also then die cut the detail in it so you don't have to you know have it that way and and these are just so handy I mean you know if you're making a square gift box there's your mats and layers for the top of the lid which I've done with that um I just made that really nice square I think it was nearly like a six by six one um a few weeks back but something like that I know you can just cut them on your machine but if you wanted a decorative edge you know they're they're going to work great for that so yeah that's really lovely let's pop all this back okay so I'm just going to pop it back in here but you also um you know you don't have to if you want to keep them in the boxes then you can keep everything together because you've got the inks there as well but I am going to look out for a little kind of cube storage because I just love these and they're so really vibrant and I just want to see them nicely displayed in some kind of like little carry so if anybody does know of one if I give this measurement quickly here because you might already have some are like the Tim Holtz cubes and most companies do them don't they they do the mini cubes but these are one and three eighths of an inch by three quarters of an inch if you've already got some cube storage I would love to know and if you could share any links in the comments that would be really helpful so yeah that was a little kind of review of the box and I'm a big fan of kits I love kits I've had many many kits over the years so I do love that everything comes together and it's all kind of matching for you but um yeah look out for the tutorials I try to share two to three tutorials a month using the kit project um you know products within the kit I've got one more to share from the Simply Made Crafts um which should be coming in the next week that's all ready so um yeah thank you for watching all the links to everything will be shared below I believe you may still be able to get some of this it may have already sold out generally they sell out but they do sometimes keep some back I know the Simply Made Crafts is gone that's it now you won't get that again and the Christina Griffiths one went straight away that didn't even go to sell after so if I can share the links for this one I'll share it below if not I'll share the link if you would like to subscribe for future boxes and all the informations there and I believe that the next one is Olga I'm sure that one's because we've already got that now being shared so I'll share links to that one because you can see another unboxing of what you could get so anyway I've been rabbling on enough thank you for watching I hope you've liked it please give me a thumbs up if you have and subscribe to my channel so you get to see what I make with it and all my future tutorials see you soon bye


Cool, yes, so I was having to think about what to do this time because we obviously didn't have an external speaker. We've got a few things on the topic backlog, which we're going to try and get booked in. But I was just thinking it might be a good opportunity just for the few of us here anyway, just to, I don't know, get a bit more up to date with what we're all doing. And yeah, hopefully you saw where I put three bullet points in the external Slack channel, just to spark the discussion, think a little bit about what we're up to, maybe what's new technologies we've discovered in the last few months. I've got a few things. And if there's any gaps in the ecosystem, and I'd be quite interested just to hear what you guys have to say, I can make some notes and paste it into the document later. And then it might help us think a little bit about what we could do in the future in this group and what else we need from the community. So I will start. What I'm working on at the moment, we've done a bit of reorg-ing inside my team actually. So I've now got a couple of managers working for me, which is great. So this is not specific to this group really, but just in terms of my workload, it's helpful. But internally in GR, what we're up to is obviously we talk quite a bit about our AMADA system, which is our system for high throughput computing on Kubernetes. We've scaled that pretty big now. So we've got some thousands of nodes running in one of our data centers with production workloads all flowing through it. So the big thing we're doing at the moment is basically keeping that happy and well and then looking at what new features we need to add for our researchers to make them more productive. So the core platform is working well, but what we don't really have a good story for at the moment is sensible observability for users. So all of the observability tends to be done through Grafana and metrics. So which is quite good for administrators, but not so good for users who just want to understand what's going on with their jobs and so forth. We've got some basic CLIs, but I think we really need to invest in the user interface, the actual UI, so that people can click around and understand what's going on in this great big machine we've built for them. In terms of new technologies, we've been looking at in the last few months. Something which we've started using to quite good effect is Envoy. So I think it's actually, it's a CNCF project. It's something that I think Istio uses internally, but we just use it as a performant, very configurable HTTP proxy. So historically for those sorts of things, we've actually used physical appliances almost, which are quite hard to operate and difficult to configure. And now we can just do all of this in Kubernetes using using Envoy, which is really, really powerful and easy to test the integration test and deploy changes too. So that's fantastic. And in terms of the third bullet point, so what gaps I'm seeing at the moment within our business anyway, I still feel we're really missing a good quality cross cluster software defined network or software defined firewall. So we want the ability to be able to say workload A, you can talk to workload B or this type of thing can talk to that kind of thing, but not that kind of thing. And to be able to do that with strongly typed metadata across clusters would be really powerful. And I don't feel like we've got a good solution for that out there at the moment. There's a couple of products we've looked at, which we've sort of then stopped using. So be really interested to hear if anyone has any good options for that. But yeah, that's that's me. I guess we'll go around and then I'll just make some notes then we'll just chat about it. So I don't know, Jeffrey, you want to go? Sure. And I apologize again for the construction in the background. Um, so right now at or now, the for the Oak Ridge leadership computer facility right now, the focus of all efforts is on X scale and frontier and getting that into a state where we can get the early science users on there in order to be able to actually start utilizing that resource for their for determining results for their research for the slate service running alongside of our compute clusters are our supercomputers. That work is probably going to be pretty similar to what we already have in place since the users are familiar with it. But until until the early science users actually start getting on it, I can actually start testing things. So we'll see how we'll see when that happens as far as how that testing goes. So in the interim, what I've been working on lately more being an open shift shop is working with the advanced cluster management pieces. The CNC f upstream is open cluster management in order to be able to try to get the systems underneath a get ups type workflow methodology that works with the native open shift tooling in order to be able to manage multiple clusters across the board. So that's that's a great shift. Say again, it's also very important. So advanced cluster management is the is the open shift piece, but the open cluster management piece, the open source one actually can do it can actually manage just about any cluster. It's not it's not tied into okd upstream open source at all. And in fact with open shift, you can they they say and I haven't tried this yet, but they say that you can also manage other other Kubernetes distributions as well using the same software since it's just basically open cluster management with the red head. So pieces rolled in with it, it looks like. So that's that's a large focus of what I'm working on at the moment. And the reason why I'm working on that my gap is people. The Great Resonation is real. And it's hit us. It's been as people are adjusting, we're closing things like that. And that's that's our biggest gap at the moment. What are they going? What's going on? So we've had one go out move out to the West Coast actually for a large corporation that's out there. We had one move to Red Hat. And then we had one move to engineering group database engineering group and for Kubernetes. So they're going to and the last one, where'd he go? Brantus? Where are you? Where are you physically? Tennessee. We're stuck. We're the we're the National Lab that's in the middle of the Green Mountains. I made some notes. I'll talk it up in the doc later and you can correct all my mistakes. That's interesting. So thank you. Here should we go for the next night? Does your mic work? I remember you said your mic doesn't work. Let's find out. Yeah. Oops. Okay. I'm just working on getting containers better container integration with Slurm. Okay. So the last release we added the ability to call OCI runtime OCI compliant runtimes. And now I'm working on making it a lot better. Nice. What's the set up there? Remind me. Who have you got working on this? You obviously. Me. Just you. Yeah. You're the hero. I'm the volunteer. I'm getting paid for this. I'm not a hero. Nice. How's that going? Really good. Actually, I got it working. I'm just working on getting it to the point that I'm actually willing to share the source code with a reviewer. Who would that be? It's just you. No, no, no. We have all code that goes to the Slurm is reviewed by somebody who didn't write it. All right. So it'll probably end up going to the CTO because it's a big change. Hopefully it'll make life a lot easier and now let people who run PubMed and Docker use Slurm so much easier or at all. Has there been any container integration before or other ways of doing that? Last release I added the modifications to the demon that runs on the nodes to actually call the OCI run times directly and to handle a little bit of a magic port and make it a container's first class citizen. So Slurm is actually aware you want a container and stuff like that. Middle-Eat that was incomplete because I ran out of time and this is more of the work on it to actually make it friendly. But Slurm actually had containers forever. It's just that everyone used them outside of Slurm or they used a plug-in to make it work. Okay. So it's really just native support in Slurm. Yeah. First class citizen. Yeah. Sorry, go on. Yeah. I don't know for you if this will be applicable. Yeah. Is there any new technologies or things you've been using in the last six months? Or maybe this containerization I suppose? A lot of the OCI specs. I have been diving into those very deep. And figuring out why Docker is insane and doesn't actually follow their own specs. I feel that a lot. Or I guess more actually they just keep rewriting them whenever they feel like it. And the specs are moving target. Definitely. Especially since they don't actually use the OCI run times in a compliant way because they use the detach mode of CRUN, which isn't even in the spec at all. But I got it. It just takes a little while to sit there with Debugger. Like why are you doing this Docker? Why? Are people generally wanting to use Docker, do you think? Still? I think we're obviously seeing a lot of people moving away from it with is not supporting it in the future. I mean, what I've seen that although Jeff could probably get better word on this is that Podman's coming in pretty popular with our DOE crowd. Docker has always been the one that users have asked for as far as I'm aware. They just want the thing to work. I mean, that's one of the reasons why Podman you could just do as an alias of Docker and it works. Yeah. I was under the impression that Podman was the sort of humans to use, but you wouldn't use it on servers like through Slur. Is that right? I'm fixing that. As far as I can say, the user should never have to worry, understand or care about how it works. It just should work. And then the system admin can do the fun work of setting up storage. If they aren't building their images in OpenShift, then we've been having direct users to use Podman as well and already be able to run their images, but running through Slur, I believe they run using Singularity. Singularity has been around for quite a while now, and it's new happy fork of AppTainer. So I heard an interesting question about Singularity, and I originally thought it might be possible, but I don't think it's true possible. Could you use Singularity as a container runtime for Kubernetes? And I'm thinking that's impossible. Actually, Scylabs is working on that as we speak. They have partial OCI support in the current release, but the next major release, they're supposed to be fully OCI runtime compliant. Well, that's interesting. At first, I thought it was just a question from a naive person, and then I thought, maybe you confirm that it might be possible then. Yeah, Scylabs posts all their plans online. I have to find a link for it, but it's part of their plan of record. And I want to note that I have nothing to do with Scylabs, completely independent. You just reminded me as well, completely unrelated, but the same name. There's a white paper or something that's come out of Microsoft about something they've created called Singularity, which is not a container runtime, but it's some kind of large-scale resource scheduler. Has anyone heard of that? Microsoft has been throwing large amounts of cash at their zero HPC stuff, hiring up tons of people. For all I know, the guy who left Ornel went to it there. I don't know anything else. Yeah, it looked quite new. It was just a paper. It had about 20 authors on it. It was massive. It was quite thick, and it seemed to be an all-sinking, all-dancing, resource scheduler equivalent to something like Commodore or Slur, I must suppose, but with the hardware as well. I don't know.  Oh, you mean the one that Greg's working on. So it's not some Singularity. It's their container orchestrator. It sounded... Well, I haven't got it to hand, actually. But yeah, I'll look at it. It looks like a competitor to the Kubernetes. Yeah, possibly. The name of it is. It might be something else. Yeah, I'll find it. Last question then. Nate, I don't know. Any gaps in the ecosystem or areas that you're working that you need plugged other than the docker? No lack of them. The usual process as well. By now, what's broken fixing it? For the most part, the OCI standards are really helpful. Most people follow them, at least somewhat. The most amusing part about the OCI standards is they actually don't standardize what any of the runtime arguments are. They just have the general suggestion what each thing should do. For the most part, most people seem to go with the run CPath. But I've seen a few who don't. All right, I'll take some notes. Cheers. Cool, thanks. Timothy? Questions to you. Yeah, I just need to find my mute button on mute button and all this mess. Yeah, so I've been working through the ecosystem on Kubernetes capabilities from our researchers and on our CD professionals perspective. So I've done fabric. So I had to build a Kubernetes cluster using Kube admin and a mixture of Python and Cloud in it. Jetstream 2 was similar. Anvil has a Kubernetes cluster, small one, using Rancher. And that's another U.S. national system, about 1,000 nodes. Previously to that, I've played with the Pacific Research Platform, also known as Nautilus, soon to be known as the ERN, which used to be called the Eastern Regional Network. And that's a distributed Kubernetes cluster for researchers with GPUs. And so I've just been looking at it from, you know, how easy would it be for somebody who wanted to, as a researcher or somebody supporting researchers to leverage these technologies. So that's kind of what I've been up to doing. And just evangelizing the use of Kubernetes as a way to kind of abstract use from the public cloud and things like that. So given the complexity and cost of the public cloud and the more and more national systems that are using it in a researcher's perspective. When you say distributed, what do you mean like how distributed? For PRP and Nautilus, they are across the country. They have like, they're doing Ceph across hundreds of miles. They have 500 GPUs. And I'm guessing they don't have a few tens on each location. So they may have, I don't, I should look at what it is, but they may have like 20 or 30 different locations. They have storage, maybe five or six different locations. So it's rather interesting. Same with Fabric. Fabric is an experimental network. And so you can get nodes across the country that are connected via 100 gig plus networks. And you say, I want to, I want to, I want to a card all to myself. And so I built a Kubernetes cluster on top of that. In terms of new technology, I've been playing with KubeMint and Cloudinit systems recently. And in my beer time at home, I've built a Pi Kubernetes cluster from scratch. And so my constraints on that just because it's fun was to build it only using a Docker container. And it's container D and IPv6 only. So I can, I can build it and tear it down any time I want. And it's only starts with a Docker container. And right now I've got it up and running. And now I'm trying to make it self hosting. So it will provision itself. You said Pi at the beginning of that, as in Raspberry Pi. Nice. So one or multiple of those plugged in? I have, I want to get more, but I have a controller node and two worker nodes. And then I have a provision node as well. So the provisioner runs Docker and, and runs the runs the pixie boot and all that on top of it. And the plan is, is once it gets bootstrapped is that the cluster takes over that capability. Very good. That's pretty cool. So do you have people staring at you wondering what you're doing with these? No, it's my beer time. So I grab a beer and sit in front of the TV and listen to music and pound away. So, you know, it's the opportunity to do something slow and do it right. And I haven't played with seriously played Linux for a number of years. So just relearning things like system D and network D and all those kind of neat things from a deep perspective. So that's very cool. I have a Raspberry Pi. I need to dig it out. I even bought a cool little case for it. Well, I haven't used it for anything recently. So go on. It's pretty capable. And it's a, I think it's a would be a great tool versus admins trying to learn how to deploy a Kubernetes cluster because they're capable enough and fast enough to do that. Yeah. The last thing I did get it to do, I had a button, an external button and a speaker. And I could get it. So I pressed a button and it told me my train times at my local station before I left work. So I knew that they were running late or not. That was quite good fun. That's cool. My next project is to watch the RPI locator to see when they come for sale and put alarm off and flush and light. So I know when to go buy one. So yeah. And then so, yeah, the final question around the gaps in the ecosystem or anything you're looking. So, you know, in the research computing and data area, not a lot of the applications are cloud native. So they won't run well in containers. And so one project I've been doing lately is been trying to get open on demand to run inside Kubernetes as a container, having a little bit of success with that with talking to some of the folks that are working closely with that project. So the other one is a lot of these systems, national systems don't have the ability to kind of click and deploy as a user to create a Kubernetes cluster. You'd have to build it on your own. And I think the researchers would do well to be able to do that kind of thing. And then just from my experience and seeing how things are done, I think a simple provisioning system would be nice. I mean, you don't need some of these really heavy provisioners to build a cluster in terms of, I can't form in, is that? And some of the other ones, it'd be nice to just have a simply pixie boot in and bring up a node for Kubernetes. Yeah, I think that's always a challenge. We've made it as easy as possible in our environment to build clusters, but it's still not a one click thing. I guess, I don't know about you guys, but we don't tend to, because we don't give cluster as a service to people where you have namespaces on shared clusters, we haven't really had to completely streamline that building a cluster process. If Ricardo was here, he might have a view, because I know they do do that sort of model of spitting out whole clusters for people. So maybe they have got interface, like in a GKE like thing, I don't know. So part of my early exploration for beer time made me realize that they're all pretty heavyweight. I didn't, as deploying what's the open stack provisioner seemed rather overkill for doing a Kubernetes cluster. Yeah, is that Magnum? Yeah, I don't remember what it is. If that was my day job, I would have reservations for that, and that for beer time, it definitely was not worth going down that route, because I see what it took my team to to maintain an open stack and build a maintain an open stack cluster. Yeah, indeed. Cool, thanks. Alex, let's just shout out, hey. Hey, how are you? Good. Good, good. Are you your west at the moment, aren't you? Say again? Your west coast at the moment? Yeah. Yeah, early. I thought I would have a meeting for the first half an hour of this hour, but whoever was totally stood me up. So anyway, I'm joining this in protest. Well, thanks for coming. Yeah, I don't know if you saw my notes on the Slack channel, around what we're doing. No, that's fine. I can ambush you then. So we haven't got an external speaker this time, so we're just doing open discussion around a few things, but it'll be interesting just to everyone to update each other on what we're working on, any new technologies you've been playing with in the last six months that you might find interesting for other people, and if there's any gaps in the ecosystem at the moment that particularly want to be have filled, so go. What are you doing? No gaps, no. It's all fine. What I've been up to, well, a large part of my last week has been organizing the batch working group, the CNCF batch working group stuff, and doing a bunch of outreach to try and collect as many people to that conversation as possible. So Nathan, you were in there already, I think. So hi. Jeff and Tim, hey, there's a conversation going on that came out of the discussion with the tag runtime group, whatever they're called, where we were asked to spin up a conversation of working group around batch at the CNCF level. There's already a conversation going on at the Kubernetes level for batch, but there was a sense that we wanted to have a conversation at a higher level and discuss how, in particular, all the sort of projects that like Armada and Volcano and Unicorn and MCAD and there's a long list and Slurm and Condor and how all of those things interact with Kubernetes. We felt that there was a discussion to be had there, so I'm helping run that working group discussion and just trying to get a hold of it and try and gather interested parties towards it. So that's one thing that I've been doing that might be interesting to this crew here. I haven't been getting hold of the folks over Asiaways. A lot of people on Volcano and Klaus and others in China, are you finding it all right, contacting them? I mean, I've been okay sort of asynchronously chatting with Klaus. I'll ask him for access to the working group Google group and he'll eight hours later give it to me. But we haven't had many people actually join and we had started by having the meeting at something like seven o'clock our time so that it was 10 o'clock their time or something like that. But it turned out that they would never actually join anyway. So I think we're probably going to have to do something like what Cloudera does with Ozone where we just have a Western countries meeting on one hand and then an APAC meeting at some other point. But I think what I need to do first is to just get a critical mass of people in one of them and then I'll try and populate the other. So yeah I mean because there is a big crew of people who we want to have in that conversation from Asia but yeah just getting a hold of them is hard. Yeah from a researcher's perspective that that would be a huge capability for the adoption of Kubernetes and in a wide variety of areas. Yeah and you know the Kubernetes conversation, the batch conversation that's at the Kubernetes level is all talking about this project Q and what changes need to occur in the jobs API and in the scheduler and you know all the places where you know things need to be fixed to be able to run batch stuff really. So that might be an interesting conversation for you as well if you're interested in low-level Kubernetes stuff. But assuming that things get fixed at that level it probably implies changes to everybody else who have built things at a higher level. What are those implications? How does it change our worlds? How does it enable all of the rest of everyone to actually do batch on Kubernetes? That's what the CNCF conversation wants to look at. Yeah in terms of the types of people that are going so far down the roads they're on that it's difficult for them to wind back to using something fundamental when it even if it ever does exist. Yeah I mean we may be in that situation you know there's and then there's a real sense that after your team Jamie gets year's worth of experience running a system you know have that as a real skill and you won't want to change to something else just because there's a that'll be an upheaval and we're running lots of stuff on it already so you know who knows what will happen when we get to that point. Yeah everyone's got a certain amount of commitment in whatever they're doing aren't they?  I mean ideally there's some sort of progression where new features come available in lower level Kubernetes and Armada can look at it and go oh actually we can rip out a chunk of our system because now we can actually rely on the jobs API directly and yeah maybe you just end up hollowing your thing out until there's nothing left. Yeah exactly for us maybe it just becomes a meta scheduler on top of Kubernetes jobs API and that it's as simple as that kind of thing. You know because until KubeFed is a thing that you can actually federate multiple Kubernetes clusters also natively in Kubernetes you'd still need something like what Armada provides even if below that the scheduling is actually done by Kubernetes as it should be. Yeah yeah indeed. So anyway that's the that's exactly the kind of question that we hope to entertain in the CNCF batch working group. So that's one large thing that I've been working on. The teams that I have in the OSPO are working on all sorts of projects you know Armada's an ever-increasingly big project of ours but we also do a bunch of work in directly on ML and data science tools you know Spark, Coravod, Ray, Arrow, all of that kind of universe like GBM I don't know you can go down the list. Are there any particular open source tools that all of you or all of your research teams use currently? I'm just curious whether any of them are ones that we're contributing to? Well you know we are. Jeff had to drop I guess the question might just be for Tim. Yeah and I more take the perspective of research computing and data professionals so they support all the things you know. Yeah well you know presumably everything that your teams are using are things that we're either contributing to or might contribute to because it's all open source and it's all stuff that we use to so. So there's that kind of stuff that's going on I suppose we've been doing one project in Kubernetes security looking at username spacing and giving researchers root access in a secure way and the person that I have working on that has some pretty promising results that like can confirm that he can do all sorts of things safely you know with some caveats. Also part of that project is looking at various EVPF things around Cilium and maybe Tetragon. So there's that's also work that we're doing. What other things have fun? What have I played with recently? You know I've been looking at that one of the things that I've been wrestling with is data science and machine learning. The ecosystem is really confusing. There's either you have to sort of cobble it all together yourself and really understand how each part works and how each part will interact with each other or you can go with these one-stop shop all-in-one solutions where just use our platform and you will have notebooks through to production model serving and there doesn't seem to be much in between and so I've been trying to go through the millions of data science platform offerings that are currently out there and trying to figure out which ones offer which parts and which things we actually want as g-research and just trying to get viewpoints on that. I was looking at Predebase for example which has some nice pieces to it. That's from a guy who did Horovod and Ludwig AI and it builds on top of Ludwig and there's some cool things about it might be cool for our NLP people because it packages up hugging phase models which currently our researchers have to email to themselves to get inside g-research and then the email fails because the models are too big and then they have to go through a whole problem it's a terrible terrible thing. So you know I was looking for a solution for them there but that it's a platform that includes a whole bunch of other things that we already do well inside g-research so it wouldn't need those things. So for us we want sort of this composable data science ecosystem that doesn't really exist unless you sit down and you wire everything together which is what g-research has done and I don't know I'm just I've just been sort of casting about the the ecosystem trying to figure out if there's a better way than the way that we've done it. If any of that makes sense I don't know. So yeah is everyone else cobbling things together? That's the question I suppose. Yeah probably I mean I don't know from speaking to others on these calls previously it sounds like the answer is yes. I don't think anybody has a choice. No that's it that's that's what you have to do. You want it to work the way you want it you have to cobble it together. Yeah unless you're a small data science shop where maybe you could choose one of these all-in-one platforms which will eventually be outdated pretty quickly and so then you're stuck as a small data science company being like I don't know whether I want to do this because it might be ugly for me later so I'm going to cobble it together myself anyway. You can only reuse it like a one-stop shop if you're starting from a sort of if you're at a starting point and then you use it and build around it like if you have any kind of pre-existing infrastructure or software or anything and then it's difficult to then just go oh I'll just use this one-stop shop because it won't fit. So I don't know you know nobody's really solved this the ecosystem. It feels like this particular solar system of products is you know still in the sort of large bodies of gas forming you know bits of rocks colliding into each other and eventually there'll be planets that you can visit but you know nothing's really really come of it yet so. Yeah no we are in the sort of primordial soup. Yeah yeah that's a good one yes primordial soup data science yes. Oh that's just working around waiting to evolve. So anyway that's I mean I suppose that answers question two and three yeah it's kind of what I've been working on is looking around the the hole in my heart of data science. It's almost missing its maturity. Yeah yeah exactly and a single answer I just want a single answer Jamie. I just want somebody to tell me how it works and then I'll just do that so. Yeah I think you might be you might be waiting a while but yes it's a virtue I think to ask for it. Yeah Dave you're on there too. Did I miss your update? Do you have a Dave? Oh we do have Dave. Yeah I mean I can tell you what Dave's working on. It's got Armada team valiantly working away on Armada. Oh yeah we've also got the ozone team doing snapshotting for actually ozone and some other pieces too in ozone land.  So yeah good stuff over there. Sounds like fun. Yeah cool. All right well thank you. I think that's we've been through everyone I've been typing up some notes very amateurishly in notepad so I'll try and take all the typos out and pop it into the google doc and then if you want to go back and look and fix anything that I get wrong that'd be cool. Other than that I think we've got so this next session will be in two weeks looking at the calendar so yeah third of August. I'll chat with Ricardo I think he's back by then. I'll be around as well so we'll see if we can get. I'd really like to have that Sillium and EVVF session. We do have someone lined up to talk so we'll try and get that sorted and thank you for that. That's great well if that happens I'll invite David led better if he can join at this time it might be super late in Australia but yeah it will be pretty anti-sexual. Yeah it might be one of one of the morning or something a bit. I think it'll be worse than that. Where is he? Melbourne? I actually know you're right yeah you're right yeah one in the morning. He is a little kid maybe he'll be up who knows so anyway but he's the he's the person who's working on the username spacing and EVVF stuff so nice yeah that'd be really cool okay I'll chat with Ricardo and I'll let you know. Brilliant all right unless there's anything from Nate or Tim? Nope. Have a good day everyone. Cool. Bye.