we're going live. I did a little test run this morning, loaded on a new OBS. There we are, there we are. We got the live stream going. Sweet. Hi everyone, this is Chichou. Welcome to my channel, and welcome to another live stream. Today, today. Today is November 2nd, 2020, and we're doing a live stream open discussion on Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, and we have done a few of these in the past, and this is part nine that we are doing right now. And we started this off, I'm not sure how long ago, a while ago. We've talked about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks a lot over the last, I guess, 15 years. WikiLeaks came on board, or came live in 2008, I believe, 2007, 2008, maybe 2009. In 2010, they released Iraq war logs and collateral murder and whatnot. And when I was blogging, I was writing about Julian Assange and whistleblowers, and Edward Snowden, and Manning, and whatnot. And when we started live streaming, slowly, people wanted to start talking about politics. So we started covering politics, and one of the most important things taking place in the world right now is what's happening with Julian Assange. Trial of the century. Nothing else comes close to this. Nothing else comes close to this. As far as the impact that is going to have on our societies. So we are covering it. Zarek, how are you doing? H.E. Chobe, and excited for this one. Free Assange. Free Assange. Me too, me too. And gang, we have a whole bunch of stuff that we're going to read through in the next couple of days on a two-day live stream. There is, by the way, I got bad news, sad news, Robert Fisk, this gentleman right here, one of the greatest reporters of all time. Okay, he passed away today, or it was yesterday, maybe, in the last 24 hours. The journalist, the community, has lost a tremendous warrior. Okay. And the majority of people should, if you haven't read, heard, listened to Robert Fisk, you need to.  And he put this out on June 3rd, 2019. I thought it was a fantastic article, and it sort of lays down the groundwork of what we've talked about previously, and what we are going to get into, which is sort of a summary of what's going on. Birdie here, what's up? How's it going, Birdie here? Hope you're doing well. Just so you know, the chat that you're going to see is just the chat that's going to appear here. I don't have it overlaying on top of the video, so I'm just going to try to keep this going as much as possible. When I'm reading, I'll have this chat open, but when I'm flipping between windows and stuff, I haven't figured out how to keep the chat on the front pinned to the top. So we'll keep it like this. Okay, and what do you call it? We will be looking at a few different things in the next two days. I'm not sure how much of this we're going to get through, but there's a few articles. So let me give you a lowdown of what we're going to go through. And then while we wait for people to roll in, I'm going to give you guys a little intro. But for those that are going to be watching this video on Bichute and YouTube, this is going on YouTube. Let me give you a lowdown of articles and videos that we're going to look at in the next couple of days. I might add a couple more as well. Carlos, how are we doing? What's up? I didn't get a notification for this. Hopefully it'll come out. By the way, I just, when I went to set things up this morning through OBS, I couldn't get my display to show. So I tried a few things. It wasn't working. I had an older OBS. I'm hesitant to update certain software that I'm used to and OBS was one of them. So I ended up updating it. And then the display didn't show the video. So I had to do a whole bunch of, so Discord went out. Okay, I had to do a whole bunch of different things. So I did a little test, like one minute, 30 second live stream, like about an hour ago, just a test to make sure everything was running. Okay, Allah God, how are you doing, by the way? So hopefully everything will work out. I got the latest version of OBS running right now. I had to direct, set up some parameters, make sure everything is working the right way. Had to do a little last minute searching and reading and trying to figure out how to set up everything. So if there's any glitches, gang, I'll restart the stream. Okay, so hopefully fingers crossed, everything will work out. Okay. Now let me give you a lowdown before I give you guys my little intro volume and what not of what we're going to cover in the next couple of days. We're going to read an article by Robert Fisk, Rest in Peace, Robert Fisk. Great, great warrior. This is Robert Fisk. Unfortunately, he passed away in the last day. We're going to watch an interview with Craig Murray on Chris Hedges on Contact. Let me bring, load this up so you see, we're going to have, watch an interview with this guy. We're going to read an article by John Pilger on his eyewitness to the trial on agony of Julian Assange. We're going to watch an interview on, with Craig, I forget it, I can't pronounce his name, Costanz. He'll show up on Shadowproof and I highly recommend, if you're not subscribed to Shadowproof, subscribe to Shadowproof. The main player here, what's his name? Damn. Unfortunately, he doesn't say his name. I, one, one thing I would like to nitpick with people who are running independent news sources. Okay.   This person, this person right here, okay, Craig Constanza, I believe, he should have tens of thousands of followers, right? But if he ends up watching this, or if there's any independent journalist watching this, look, when you set up your, your YouTube page or, or bitchy page or whatever, provide the links, if you go to the about page, there's no links here linking you up to anything, right? To his main channel, to his Patreon page, or anything like that. There's nothing up here linking him up. So please do so. It's the only way to make sure that independent media gets the support that it needs. I remember Robert Miss, he interviewed Osama Bernard, yeah, he, he interviewed Osama Bernard in the 1990s, I think two, three, four times, maybe, right?  I thought I was late. That's awesome. What's up, Chicho? How are you doing, Carlos? How are we doing today? Just finished the last part of the video game show and tell that V64, my old cousin, was part of the early hackers to the internet and he had one of those and never knew what it did. That's awesome, awesome. The V64 was awesome, fantastic. Mr. Hezekiah, welcome, welcome to our live stream. So we're going to watch this interview. We're going to read an article by Pepe Escobar and how this is, it was a pretty heavy article. I'm going to brutalize this when it comes to names of the Greek gods and whatnot, but it's a brilliant article. We're going to watch an interview with John Pilger, okay, a brilliant interview and if we get the chance in the next couple of days, we're going to read an article by Patrick Lawrence and if you're not following Patrick Lawrence, start following Patrick Lawrence and I'll provide all the links once we get to these things and if we get a chance, we're going to read an article by Fidel Narvez and Ben Norton and this was released on October 12, 2020. Okay, but we're going to start off with Robert Fisk's right up from 2019 and while we wait for the Twitch notifications to go out, if they're going to go out, maybe they won't go out because they don't like the discussion regarding Julian Assange. If they don't, the hell with them. We will be uploading this to YouTube as well as BitShoot. Okay, so I'm not going to self-censor this off YouTube even though I know YouTube nukes channels for doing this and they have nuked us as well or as soon as we start covering Julian Assange, our subscription rates reduced or views reduced, we didn't get promoted and stuff like this, it is what it is. This is sort of a no-go for me. I will not censor information regarding Julian Assange per platform dictates. Okay, the Welsh Dragon 2000, did Robert Fisk do a lot with Israel and Palestine? Seen a lot of people label him anti-Semitic today?   Okay, they are the same type of people that consider Julian Assange to be bad, bad, bad, Russia, Russia, Russia, right? Don't pay any heed to anyone that labels Robert Fisk as anti-Semitic. They are not worth talking to. Okay, in my opinion, as far as I'm concerned, if anybody that came to my house turned around and said Robert Fisk was anti-Semitic, I'd kick him out of my house and I would write them off, period.  Okay, but that's the common political smear in the UK. It is indeed. And that should tell you about who rules the UK and why they rule the UK, right? Oh my God, the truth isn't popular these days. Just the government narrative. That's what they like people to think. I think there's way more people believe in the truth than believe government. So Julian Assange was charged with a minor crime and then run through the ringer as a spy. Mr. Hezekiah, Julian Assange's crimes was bringing transparency and accountability to power. Okay, and power does not like that. And they are crucifying him. Okay, yo, let's go. No notifications for second stream. Only your test one. That's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. Well, we'll see if it goes out. Let me give you, we'll give it a little bit more time. Let me give you my intro of who I am and what not. I'll do this video in Zala style. I am on Patreon, patreon.com forward slash gcho, C-H-Y-C-H-O. If you want to follow this work, Patreon is the way to do it. I layer everything on mathematics. And that is what it is. Okay, for those of you who are supporting this work through Patreon, thank you very much for the support. I will be, or I will be, we are live streaming this on Twitch. Hopefully, notifications will go out on Twitch. Let people know that we are live streaming because this is pretty important. Okay. Yeah, sounds right.  It's starting to become, become this go to for people who are blind and choose not to see realities. Yeah, it's become the same thing as turning to people and saying, Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.   Like, that's, that's the level they're at. When someone turns to me and says, Russia this, Russia this, Russia this, they're standing, their intellectual standing goes from here down to here, right?   Okay, that I step over. Okay, that's the level. That's the way personally, I treat people who who are completely 100% brainwashed by corporate propaganda. And that is the only way to treat people like that. Adults anyway, if they're new to the world, they actually are inquisitive, they want to understand, then you can engage them. If they are propagating, dictating corporate propaganda, it is useless to try to, it's not useless, you can convert them, you can inform them, but the energy required to deprogram someone on that level is beyond what I'm willing to give them. Okay, Robert Fisk is a British legend, and I am using that R word more often.  I have been using the R word, when I started last year on Twitch, I was using the R word a lot, right? Or actually, I started using it right at the get-go, and then Don Nite and a couple of other people said, that Chicho, you can't use that word here. I'm like, what do you mean you can't use that word? That's like one of my favorite words to use, because it really describes our society, and, or people, some people that live in it, right? And the education system and the political system, it describes so much. And we found out you couldn't use that word, right? I love listening to Snowden talk. He breaks down the fuckery of the government so well, yeah, as does Julian Assange, that's why they were trying to be silenced. I do announce these live streams 30 minutes before we go live on LOMindsvk, part of the Gap, Twitter. You want to follow the work, you can follow up there, or join our Discord page. The links will be in the description of this video. I will try to extract out the audio of this live stream to upload it to SoundCloud. I'm not recording the lapel mic because we're going to be listening to a video, a couple of interviews, so it'd be dead space if I recorded with the lapel mic, but I'll try to extract out the audio for this to provide it as a podcast on SoundCloud. And if we're able to do that for those watching on SoundCloud, thank you, or listening to SoundCloud, and the audio should be able to be on your favorite podcast platforms, including Spotify Outdoors. Thank you for being here. Okay, is the R-word Republican? Just kidding. No Carlos. Definitely not Republican. And we will be uploading this video to both BitShoot and YouTube. If you're on YouTube, you're watching this video, if for some reason we get the platform off YouTube, subscribe to our channel on BitShoot. We get demoted when we do videos, live streams like this, because the technocrats that rule or trying to rule the flow of information from Silicon Valley do not like us sharing information. And it is our duty to share the most important things that are happening in our world, and this is the trial of the century. Propaganda first attacks the language of the target population. Indeed, in this case, smart people, and lifts up the R people. The R people who propagate misinformation and propaganda, for some reason it lifts them up and gives them jobs and gives them talking points and supports them, because obviously they need a little help, because they are an R. Right? So it is what it is. It is what it is. And we're reaching a certain point now that it is extremely important to make sure that we are informed, which is one of the reasons we're doing this. Now I'm not sure if Twitch notifications have gone out. I doubt it, because we have about half the people watching right now that we usually do. And I've seen a little... Oh, that's not what you call it. The layered effect of the thing switching up way, way inception style. Inception style, right? So let's bring this up. Gang, what do you say? Should we start reading? My plan is to read this article and then watch this interview. Of them to essentially watch this interview. By the way, how's the sound on this? Let's do a little sound check. Okay, let me do this. What's the British ambassador to Uzbekistan, when he publicly denounced the Uzbek government's widespread human rights violations, including the use of torture and the imprisonment of thousands of dissidents, has daily chronicled what he correctly calls the most important trial of the century and how it is being conducted? So how's the audio for that gang? Is the audio good for the video that we played?  I wonder if you can manually send out notifications on Twitch. I wonder, I wonder. Audio is great. Perfect. Okay, cool. Audio is good for me. Also, hello. Hello, Thorne. How are you doing? It's great. Okay, fantastic gang. Gang, let's start reading. We've got a fair bit to cover and let's read the article, watch the video, and if we've got... And we can do discussions. So after I read this article, we can talk about things. I'll check in with the chat. We'll keep the chat going live here. So if anyone has, wants to talk about a point in the article, you can continue to talk and it will pop up on the video and then we'll watch the video. Well, we'll have a little pause and see if anyone had any questions. If you want to discuss anything further and then we'll watch the interview with... Well, we'll watch the interview with Craig Murray. Craig Murray. Hi, YouTube. Void. Awesome. And gang, Robert Frisk was very... Again, recent piece, Robert Frisk. He passed away today. He was very active on The Independent and he had his articles published on a few other places as well, Counterpunch being one of them. And he put this article out in June 3, 2019, the final punishment of June Nassange and is a sort of a fantastic summary of where we are right now or where we were in 2019. And if you want to know, you know, get detailed information of what's going on with Julian Nassange and stuff like this and WikiLeaks and what they have done and whatnot on our YouTube channel. We do have a Julian Nassange playlist. Okay. So the Julian Nassange videos that we have done are on our Julian Nassange WikiLeaks and Julian Nassange playlist. And I forget how many videos there are now. This is the ninth open discussion live stream we're doing. We've done recordings of soft spoken whisper recordings of Vault 7, the Guantanamo Bay files and the OPCW intro, what took place there. Okay. And we've created some additional content on there as well. If you want to get caught up with what we've done, there's, I don't know how many hours of video there, 20 hours of video maybe. Okay. So there's a lot to catch up on.  Let me have a little sip. June 3, 2019, the final punishment of Julian Nassange by Robert Fisk, drawing by Nathaniel St. Clair. I'm getting a bit tired of the US Espionage Act. For that matter, I've been pretty weary of the Julian Nassange and Chelsea Manning Saga for a long time. No one wants to talk about their personalities, because no one seems to like them very much. Even those who have benefited journalistically from the revelations. From the start, I've worried about the effect of WikiLeaks, not on the brutal Western governments whose activities it has disclosed in shocking detail, especially in the Middle East, but on the practice of journalism. When we scribes were served up this WikiLeaks potage, we jumped in, paddled around and splashed the walls of reporting with our cries of horror. And we forgot that real investigative journalism was about to dog, was about the dogged pursuit of truth through one's own sources, rather than upsetting a bowl of secrets in front of readers. Secrets which Assange and Co, rather than us, had chosen company rather than us, had chosen to make public. Why was it? I do recall asking myself about 10 years ago that we could read the indiscretions of so many Arabs or Americans, but so few Israelis. Just who was mixing the soup we were supposed to eat? What had been left out of the gruel? But the last few days have convinced me that there is nothing far more obvious about the incarceration of Julian Assange and the remailing and re-jailing of Manning, and it has nothing to do with betrayal or treachery or any supposed catastrophic damage to our security. Just a little break here. When he published this in 2019, Manning had been thrown in jail again, and Manning was released like a few months ago, right? So she was held in jail for another month for contempt of court because we're trying to pressure her, torture her into turning on Assange and WikiLeaks, and she never did. Huge, huge respect for her. Continuing with the article. In the Washington Post this week, we've had Mark Thiesen, a former White House speechwriter, who defended CIA torture as, quote, lawful and morally just, end quote. Telling us that Assange, quote, is not a journalist. He is a spy. He engaged in espionage against the United States, and he has no remorse for the harm he has caused, end quote. So forget that Trump's insanity has already turned torture and secret relations with America's enemies into a pastime. No, I don't think this has anything to do with the use of the Espionage Act. However grave is implications for conventional journalists, or, quote, reputable news organizations, end quote. As Thiesen cloyingly calls us, nor does it have much to do with the dangers these revelations pose to America's locally hired agents in the Middle East. I remember well how often Iraqi interpreters for US sources told us how they had pleaded for visas for themselves and their families when they came under threat in Iraq, and how most were told to get lost. We Brits treated many of our own Iraqi translators with similar indifference. So let's forget just for a moment the slaughter of civilians, the lethal cruelty of US mercenaries, some involved in child trafficking, the killing of Reuters journalists, staff by US forces in Baghdad, the army of innocents held in Guantanamo, the torture, the official lies, the fake casualty figures, the embassy lies, the American training of Egypt's torture, torturers, and all the other crimes uncovered by the activities of Assange and Manning. Let's suppose that what they revealed was good rather than bad, that the diplomatic and military documents provided a shining example of a great and moral country, and demonstrated those with those very noble and shining ideals which the land of the free has always espouted. Let's pretend that US forces in Iraq repeatedly gave their lives to protect civilians, that they denounced their allies, allies torturers, that they treated the inmates of Abu Ghraib, many of them completely innocent, not with sexual cruelty but with respect and kindness, that they broke the power of the mercenaries and sent them back to prison in the US in chains, that they owned up, however apologetically, to the cemeteries of men, women, and children who they sent to an early grave in the Iraq war. Better still, let's just think for a moment how we might have reacted to the revelations that the Americans had not killed these tens of thousands of people, had never tortured a soul, that the prisoners of Guantanamo, every man jack of them, were probably sadistic, cowardly, xenophobic, racist, mass murderers, the evidence of their crimes against humanity proved before the fairest courts in the land. Let's even fantasize for a moment that the US helicopter crew who cut down 12 civilians in Baghdad Street did not waste them with its guns. Let's imagine that the voice of the helicopter radio cried, quote, wait, I think these guys are civilians and that gun might just be a television camera, don't shoot, end quote. As we all know, this is escapism. For what these hundreds of thousands of documents represented was the shaming of America, its politicians, its soldiers, its torturers, its diplomats. There was even an element of farce which, I suspect, enraged the thesians of this world even more than the most terrible of revelations. I'll always remember the outrage expressed by Hillary Clinton when it was revealed that she had sent her flunkies to spy on the United Nations. Her State Department slaves had to study the encryption details of delegates, credit card transactions, even frequent flyer cards, but who on this earth would want to waste their time studying the tosh emanating from the UN's hopelessly incompetent staff. Or for that matter, who in the US wasted their time listening to Angela Merkel's private phone conversations with Ban Ki-moon. One of the cables Assange revealed went right back to the 1979 Iranian Revolution and attached Bruce Lenning's assessment that quote, the Persian psyche is an overriding egoism, end quote. Interestingly, but Iranian students had painstakingly stuck together all the shredded US embassy papers in Tehran in the years after 1979 and had already published Lagan's words decades before WikiLeaks gave them to us. So vast was the first 250,000 document hoard which Hillary denounced as quote, an attack on the international community, end quote, while still calling the papers quote, alleged documents, end quote, as if they might be a hoax, that few could discover what was new and what was old. Thus the New York Times breathlessly highlighted the Lagan quote as if it was an extraordinary scoop. Some of the material was not so obvious before. The suggestion that Syria had allowed anti-American insurgents to pass through its territory from Lebanon, for example, was blatantly correct, but the evidence of Iranian bombing, bomb making in southern Iraq was far more doubtful. This story had already been happily farmed out to the New York Times by Pentagon officials in February 2007 to be reheated in more recent years, but was largely nonsense. Iranian military equipment had been lying around all over Iraq since the 1980 to 88 Iran-Iraq war and most of the bomb makers who used it were Iraqi Sunni Muslims. But this is nitpicking amid the garbage, garbage tip of paper. Such tom fullery is insignificant compared to the monstrous revelations of America's cruelty. The account, for example, of how U.S. troops killed almost 700 civilians for committing to coming too close to their checkpoints, including pregnant women and mentally ill. And the instruction to U.S. forces, this bit of history from Chelsea Manning, not to investigate when their Iraqi military allies whipped prisoners with heavy cables, hung them from ceiling hooks, bore holes into their legs with electric drills and sexually assaulted them. In the secret U.S. assessment of 109,000 deaths of 109,000 deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan itself grossed under estimation. 66,081 were officially classified as non-combatants. What I wonder would have been the American reaction to the killing of 66,000 U.S. citizens 20 times more than that of 9-11. None of this, of course, were we supposed to know and we can see why not. The worst of this material was secret, but because it accidentally slipped into a military administration file marked confidential, or quote, for your eyes only, end quote, but because it represented the cover-up of state crimes on a massive scale. Those responsible for these atrocities should now be on trial, extradited from wherever they are hiding and imprisoned for their crimes against humanity.  Sure, we journalists, we folk from quote, reputable news organizations, end quote, may worry about the implications of all this for our profession, but far better we hunt down other truth equally frightening for authority. Why not find out, for example, what Mike Pompeo said in private to Muhammad bin Salman, what toxic promises Donald Trump may have made to Netanyahu, what relations the U.S. still secretly maintains with Iran, why it has even kept up important contact, desaltery silently and covertly with elements of the Syrian regime. Why wait 10 years for the next assange to drive up to us with another bumper truck of state secrets, but the usual red warning light. What we find out through the old conventional journalism of foot slogging of history via deep throats or trusted contacts is going to reveal, if we do do our job, just the same vile mendend, mendensity of our masters that has led to the clamor of hatred towards the sergeant Manning and indeed Edward Snowden. We're not going to be arraigned, arraigned because the prosecution of these three set a dangerous legal precedent. What will be prosecuted? What will be persecuted for the same reasons? Because what we shall disclose will inevitably prove to our governments and those of our allies committed war crimes, and those responsible for these inequalities will try to make us pay for such indiscretion with a life behind bars. Shame and fear of accountability for what has been done by our secrecy secretly, shame and the fear of accountability for what has been done by our security authorities, not the law-breaking leakers, is what this is all about. Okay, and this is by Robert Frisk, and he was a columnist on The Independent, which passed away, he passed away today, really, okay. I thought that was a brilliant article from 2019, sort of laying down the reasons why this is taking place, why Julian Assange is being crucified, and there are interviews with Robert Frisk as well, and I might find one of them relevant specifically. I found a couple that were other people he was debating, and the people he was debating, the morons that consider Robert Frisk to be anti-Semitic, or Julian Assange to be a criminal or manning to be whatever. And I don't want to give them any voice on our live stream, because we've already debunked everything they had to say. So maybe tomorrow I'll try to find an interview with Robert Frisk specifically, or full-on discussion about Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. Yeah, very Elder God, very informative article, and for anyone that knows what's going on with the Julian Assange case, this is a fantastic summary of what is really taking place. For those simpletons that still talk about how Julian Assange abused his cat, this article will short-circuit them if they even try to think about what Robert Frisk is saying in one paragraph, let alone the whole article, because those people don't have the capacity for intellectual thought, critical thinking. They're not free-thinking human beings, they are NPCs, non-player characters that are moving as if they are real, they're eating, talking as if they are real free human beings, but they are not. And you can spend your time trying to bring them into the light if you like. And I actually recommend if you do care for people who still believe that people like Robert Frisk or Manning or Assange or Snowden are the bad guys, if you really care for those people that think these thoughts, you might want to spend the time to try to deprogram them now, because if you let their programming stay with them in the limit, not even in the limit, within a few years, those people will be miserable human beings just the way society or current political economic system wants them to be, because once they are miserable human beings, they don't know what it means to be a free thinker, then the government controls them, centralized power controls them, and it can get them to do anything, including committing genocide. So it is sort of a heavy topic, but very very important. Gang, I don't know if you guys want to talk about this, and this is Robert Frisk by the way, and rest in peace. Now what I'd like to do is take a look at an interview from On Contact by Chris Hedges interviewing Craig Murray regarding Julian Assange's trial, and this interview was released October 3rd, 2020, like a month ago basically. And Julian Assange's trial, initial extradition trial ended about a month ago. So this sort of gives us a nice little summary of what took place during this trial. So if you guys want, we can start this up and have a listen through it. I've read and listened to all of these what I've put together here, except for the full, I read half of Fidel Narvez and Ben Norton's article on the gray zone. It's fantastic, and Ben Norton followed his work with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Maté a lot, and they do amazing work. They do amazing work, and I highly recommend if you don't know the gray zone, subscribe to their, they have a YouTube channel, they have a Twitter feed, if you're on Facebook, I recommend not using Facebook very much because it's garbage, but YouTube slowly is going in that direction to a certain degree. They are censoring and demoting a lot of platforms, but I highly recommend following the gray zone.  I don't anymore. That's been censored out. Okay, and in order, how are you doing? What's going on? We're talking about Julian Assange who, wait, oh, in my religion, Islam, we are taught that you can speak to the Prophet Muhammad, to be honest, I guess, if he appears to you in dreams. Last night he came to me for the first time in my life. I asked him if Trump will win or not, and he assured me that he will and not to be afraid. That's the way your dreams work. That's election news. Tomorrow we'll see what happens, and it really doesn't matter in my opinion if it's Kang or Kudos that wins. Okay, it really, it's irrelevant. U.S. foreign policy will make or break the United States of America, and U.S. foreign policy is not going to change under Trump or Biden. Okay gang, let's listen to this interview. Unless there's anything else you guys will want to talk about regarding Robert Frisk's article, let's kick it up. Let's listen to this interview. I totally agree with that appraisal. Your dreams are dope next time. Ask him where I should invest my stonks, crafter. I mean, there's a difference in what the outrage would be indeed. Gang interview. I hope the sound is okay. If you have problems with the sound, let me know. There has been a unanimous virtually decision among the mainstream media not to cover the case. It is quite astonishing. And yet the arguments which are being heard are vital importance to them. And one thing which I think cannot be stressed too much is that the United States government has quite openly argued that they have the right to prosecute any journalist or any publisher who publishes U.S. classified information anywhere in the world. And the United States government has openly argued in court that the New York Times case at the Supreme Court in the Pentagon Papers case that in the dicta of several Supreme Court judges in that case, they stated the New York Times could have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act. Former British Ambassador Craig John Murray, who was removed from his post as the British ambassador to Uzbekistan, when he publicly denounced the Uzbek government's widespread human rights violations, including the use of torture and the imprisonment of thousands of dissidents, has daily chronicled what he correctly calls the most important trial of the century and how it is being conducted. The hearing underway to extradite Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, to the United States. Murray's exhaustive reporting, which can be found on kregmurray.org.uk, has become one of the few sources of reliable information about a trial that has become notoriously difficult to cover because of court restrictions imposed on the press and is being ignored by most of the mainstream news organizations. Joining me from London is Craig Murray, the tacitist of our time, who also served as the rector of the University of Dundee and whose books include Skin Under Burns, Master of the Great Game, the Catholic Orange Man of Togo, and his memoir, Murder in Samarakhand, which was turned by the playwright David Hare into a radio play. So Craig, I've read all of your reports, which are really remarkable feats of journalism, you know, rivaling perhaps Johnson. And you pick up patterns of anomalies within this process, you know, this kind of burlesque, this pantomime of justice. Lay out what those patterns are when they go after Julian. Everything from the Cromberg as the Holy Grail to these kind of strange decisions by the Judge Baritza. You're quite right. There are several underlying patterns of happening, which really throughout the trial have dictated what goes on. One of those is that the witnesses for the prosecution cannot be cross-examined. So there is a U.S. Assistant Attorney from the Justice Department, Gordon Cromberg, who has given huge amounts of evidence, which state essentially the prison conditions of the United States are absolutely fine, but there's not too much chance that Julian Assange would be held under special administrative measures. And numerous other very contentious statements. And he cannot be cross-examined on those statements. U.S. government psychologists giving evidence about treatment of prisoners within the U.S. prison system cannot be cross-examined. And yet the prosecution can cross-examine all the defense witnesses. That's one example of the kind of structural inequality in these proceedings. But it's by no means alone. It really is quite remarkable the way that witnesses have been demeaned, have been humiliated, have been assaulted as to their integrity. And there's been a pattern to this. Every single defense witness has had their qualifications produced, no matter how qualified they are, and a very large number of them have been professors of their subject. They've had their good faith assaulted. It's really been quite extraordinary. It's very difficult to see good people subjected to this. And of course, overall, you have the overarching peculiarities. For example, the U.S.-U.K. extradition treaties, specifically at clause four, excludes extradition for political offence. And plainly, what Wikileaks are accused of doing in terms of publishing classified information about war crimes effectively, that's for very definition the political offence. It wasn't done for financial gain. It wasn't done for any other motive than the political. And yet the U.S. government and British government stance has been that clause of the treaty does not apply because it is incompatible with the British government legislation that implements the treaty. And that's really quite extraordinary to say you are extraditing somebody under a treaty, but that a clause of the treaty under which you are extraditing does not apply. So there are numerous. I could sit here for a full evening just outlining the anomalies in the case. Can you talk a little bit about the decisions by the judge? She's been very interventionist. One of the things you've noted in your reports is that she actually writes up her decisions on a laptop before she hears the testimony in the courtroom, but she's also excluded important witnesses for the defense. Can you talk a little bit about how she's conducted this hearing? That's very true. I would slightly correct you to say that certainly she reads out from her laptop, she's written judgments which are written before she hears the arguments. Of course, what happens is that if there's a decision, a procedural decision to be made, both sides have submitted written arguments and she has those to go on. But then they argue the case in front of the court. She's briefed on the arguments. And sometimes those briefings can take a couple of hours as prosecution and defense argue as to which way this call should go. And some of these are very big calls. They're calls as to how long the proceeding should last. They're calls as to whether witnesses should be seen in secret. They're calls as to whether witnesses may be called at all. They're calls as to whether they can be closing speeches. You know, there are many key procedural issues on which she has ruled. And in every case, she brings with her intercourt rulings which have been written before she hears any of the arguments. So the entire charade of listening to the counsel's arguing is entirely meaningless. And the point on which I would correct you is that you said that she brings into laptop judgments which she has written on her laptop. And that may well be true. But all we can say is she brings in judgments that somebody has written as she brings in on her laptop. There's been a concerted effort to essentially keep this trial from being covered. You're one of just a handful of people who's been allowed into the courtroom. I think you got in as part of the kind of family group, if I'm not mistaken. Talk a little bit about, and when you follow the proceedings, it's almost understandable because of this kind of almost farcical Gilbert and Sullivan type charade that's taken place. But talk about the mechanisms by which the British government has employed several of them to essentially keep the media out. And then, of course, the irresponsibility on the part of much of the mainstream media, including my old employer, The New York Times, who's just ignored the case, ignored the hearing. Yeah, there are a couple of very, very important points there. The trial is heard in virtual secrecy. There are 42 seats in the public gallery in this particular court at Yield Bailey. Only five of us are allowed into the public gallery. And I'm there every day on the grounds I'm apparently Julian's uncle. In my family, we had people we called uncle who weren't actually uncles. It's not an unknown thing to have family uncles. So I'm Julian's uncle for these purposes. But only five people in the public gallery. And then there was supposed to be video access for NGOs and the media. But all, I believe, certainly virtually all, and I believe actually the whole lot of NGOs were cut off by the judge on day one. And that's groups as big and formidable as amnesty international and reporters without borders had their access cut on the morning of the first hearing at the Yield Bailey. And as did members of the European Parliament. And the judge explained that she decided it was in the interests of justice that their access should be cut. And but how it is in the interests of justice for amnesty international should not be allowed to follow the trial. There's something which nobody has yet explained, which it's impossible to understand. It is open to the major media organizations to follow it. And there's no particular reason that I understand why the Washington Post nor the New York Times can't get a video link. They would be able to get a video link. But they just haven't bought it. There has been a unanimous virtually decision among the mainstream media not to cover the case. It is quite astonishing. And yet the arguments which are being heard are vital importance to them. And one thing which I think cannot be stressed too much is that the United States Government has quite openly argued that they have the right to prosecute any journalist or any publisher who publishes US classified information anywhere in the world. And the United States Government has openly argued in court that the New York Times case at the Supreme Court in the Pentagon Papers case that in the dicta of several Supreme Court judges in that case, they stated the New York Times could have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act. And the United States Government has in court here at the Old Bailey absolutely asserted the right to prosecute journalists under the Espionage Act for possession of classified information, however they obtained that information. And they have relied on a very controversial case known as the Rosen case where a judgment which wasn't actually about journalism but which supports that line was made but wasn't actually ultimately progressed by the Justice Department because the Justice Department at the time thought it was contrary to the First Amendment. But this is an absolutely open and undisguised assault on the freedom of the press and on the First Amendment by the by the American Government which in terms seeks to reverse the New York Times decision in the Pentagon Papers case. So it is simply astonishing to me that the major media particularly from the United States have paid no attention to it whatsoever. Great. When we come back we'll continue our conversation on the extradition hearing in London of Julian Assange the founder of WikiLeaks with Craig Murray.  So I want to ask about the superseding indictment. This there have been what I think three indictments if I follow that correctly. So the United States or you know the the prosecution for the United States suddenly brings up a completely new indictment which I think the defense doesn't get until six weeks before the trial and it drops it charges him with criminal activity you know freeing helping Edward Snowden free from Hong Kong which he was never charged with as a crime this kind of stuff various you know breaking into banks and stuff in Iceland and from from those of us who are watching from a distance it appeared that the tactic was to get away from any idea that this was politically motivated which of course it is but then into the trial with so little coverage they suddenly pivoted as you pointed out to say quite shockingly in open court that yes the New York Times and other publications could be charged under the 1917 Espionage Act that is an act that was instituted essentially for passing state secrets to a hostile foreign power wasn't used three times between 1917 and the Obama administration including after Ellsberg there was an abortive his trial was finally aborted because of illegal activity on the part of the Nixon administration and then Obama used it quite heavily I think nine times totally so I found that fascinating why do you do you that was my theory I'm curious as to what you thought why they began one way and then just came out quite brazenly with this statement it it's really very interesting question I'm you're right in that the the second superseding indictment was built in at the last minute it it it brought in a whole raft of completely new charges relating to this very strange informer in Iceland and that informer is himself a convicted sexual offender with a child sexual offence to his name and had been convicted of impersonating Julian Assange and of stealing money from wicker leaks in Icelandic criminal court so we thought they would then you know go that way and and the defense were not allowed time to prepare against this new indictment the judge refused them in an adjournment to prepare so we expected to hear a lot on on this new indictment but in fact we heard nothing whatsoever then we had a a couple of days in which or three days at the start of these hearings in which the US government concentrated on this line that the prosecution has all to do with Julian Assange's collusion with Chelsea Manning and therefore it did not affect respectable media outlets like the New York Times of Washington Post but that didn't go well well either because a series of very very impressive defense witnesses particularly Daniel Ellsberg but others as well absolutely demolished that line of attack we then had this very strange thing that happened where there was a two-day break because the junior counsel for the United States claimed that her husband was possibly having COVID and needed the COVID test so the court stopped for two days and that was a kind of time out you know the the prosecution was plainly veering at that stage for the number of very strong witnesses and needed a new tactic and after that that COVID time out they then came back with a completely new tactic of adopting the Rosen case and adopting this very aggressive line that any journalist outlet that publishes national security information is liable to prosecution under the 1917 espionage act and and do you have any theory as to why they made that change? I think they weren't winning I think their argument that there is a difference between Julian Assange and the mainstream media journalist plainly wasn't holding water I mean you could argue you know they tried to make an argument that Julian Assange cultivated Chelsea Manning but then so many witnesses stated even if that were true that would be no different to how you say deep throat was cultivated during the Watergate crisis but you know that you couldn't really differentiate between what Julian Assange was doing and normal journalistic behavior the the attempt to make that differentiation plainly was not holding water so they had to abandon that and say no it's journalistic activity that's illegal if it comes to releasing national security information. So you have now essentially an open assault in a British courtroom against the First Amendment we know the consequences of this I think it's why you and I and so many others are so concerned and mystified as to why news organizations like the New York Times haven't you know out of their own self-interest taken up this case there's a series of attempts to go after Julian on clearly bogus charges for instance that he was responsible for leaking the names of informants when we know that the key to the entire WikiLeaks file that had the name of informants was released by Luke Harding in his book that he assisted Chelsea Manning in obtaining documents that Chelsea Manning didn't need any assistance obtaining and it already downloaded I mean from a distance I just don't understand why along with the fact that the U.S. prison system is a giant summer camp where and there's so many cases documented cases of abuse and torture misuse of solitary confinement etc but but why are they clinging to these charges that are just specious that are just so patently false? Well I think they're trying to give a thick leaf to the mainstream media to you know give them some comfort that in some way Julian is being charged for things other than journalism like the example you know releasing the the names of informants when in fact there's been a huge amount of evidence led by you know very credible witnesses that Julian was extremely concerned to redact the names of informants but there was a major year-long operation going on to redact the name of the informants that was meant to last for another year and that as you say unfortunately it all came crashing down when the Guardian or Luke Harding and David Lee of the Guardian published the the key but all of these rather silly smoke screen charges which are probably not true are all designed to give some some comfort to the through the establishment media that that in some way there's a differentiation that in some way Julian Assange did something different to what they do and that they won't be next in line if if this goes ahead but they're very very foolish if they buy that and I'm I am genuinely astonished that even if they don't want to give it much media coverage I'm absolutely astonished that the New York Post and the Washington Times and the major television channels don't all have their media lawyers in court listening very very carefully to the the line on effectively the abolition of the first amendment being put forward on behalf of the United States government you know one of the things I found disturbing in your reports which is what's happened to your blog and that there's been shadow banning from Twitter and Facebook normally 50 percent of my blog readers arrived from Twitter 40 percent from Facebook during the trial it has been 3 percent from Twitter 9 percent from Facebook that's a fall from 90 percent to 12 percent and you they usually got Facebook and Twitter would send you about 200 000 readers a day now they are sending me 3000 readers a day were you surprised yeah I mean of course anybody who is a tool radical or or takes any view of of anything that's out with the official establishment view gets used to occasional shadow banning but I've never seen anything on on the scale before where and of course it the very scary thing is that we we feel that we have achieved something where we we built up our alternative media voices on the internet to an extent that you're able to be heard and then you realize that the big corporate gatekeepers and especially Facebook and Twitter to a lesser extent Google and others have the ability to just chop you off at the knees and and cut you cut you down and so you know I I was in the circumstance where when I was reporting in February March on the first four days of the hearing when the opening arguments held at Balmarsh I was getting 250 000 300 000 people a day at my website and as I've been writing up these these daily reports now in the resumption I'm getting 10 percent of that you know 90 percent of my traffic has just been cut off but by what seems to be as far as I can gather a general sort of algorithm command of some kind to um to downplay Assange I think it's as simple as that I think anything mentioning Assange or anything with any attachment that mentions Assange is getting shadow banned pretty well across all social media no we actually in the United States know that he the name Julian Assange is now in been worked into algorithms by Facebook Twitter so that people are not referred their call called impressions is this I once had a discussion with Ralph Nader and he said you know if you look at us politically we're actually conservatives because what we're calling for is the rule of law against people who are eviscerating the rule of law and I think in reading your reports one of the things that comes through is just this deep lament for the collapse of our legal systems are always flawed always favored the privileged and the property owners but I I sense within your reporting this deep sadness not only what's happening to Julian the injustice that's being visited on Julian but on the very institutions themselves I think that's very true I think that you know there was always obviously an element of abuse of power of corruption behind governments everywhere in the world there always has been but I think that the institutions of liberal democracy to some extent used to abide by their own professed principles and now sadly you know that's disappearing and even you know a place like the old Bailey which is the place which has the famous statue of blindfold justice outside the original one it no longer stands for justice of any kind and we're seeing a horrific abuse of process and no it is you're right I'm you know I'm a former ambassador I'm not a natural radical but all all the things that I was brought up to to believe in you know are plainly now exposed as as hollow and the sham and no longer having meaning so you you're right I mean my blogs at the moment I've written with a deep deep sadness inside of me great that was Craig Murray author of the blog craig murray.org.uk which I urge you all to subscribe to as I have thank you very much thank you so Craig Murray has been blogging or was blogging daily on the Julian Assange case he was attending the hearings and after the hearing he would grab some food go to his room and write about the case that day and then release it early in the hours in the morning and then he would do the same thing the next day okay that's a warrior okay justice now is a price tag justice now is a price tag and a couple things in regarding Julian Assange's trial that weren't mentioned in this interview Julian Assange has been being drugged right while he's been in jail so they've been injecting him or giving him pills or whatever it is however they're drugging him and this is known they've been drugging Julian Assange okay unbelievable right he hasn't had he didn't have access to his lawyers for the longest period of time in court he was separated into into a plexiglass cage where he couldn't interact with his lawyers he had to get on his hands and knees to talk to them right through a hole in the in the cage okay and the the reason that the US government was going after him was changed for for two years or something they were saying oh yeah we're coming after them the extradition here is about this just before the trial began they changed their plea right it is a show trial that you would never have seen on this level in the USSR or any other totalitarian dictatorship or any other brutal government right this is as bad as it gets and the judge for this case also her husband is connected with companies that have been profiting from war it is the biggest show trial that i know of and we're witnessing it in real time just now the president i'm keeping a simple abolishment of justice by the one yeah abomination of justice by the one person heartbreaking heartbreaking unbelievable right to me one of the most heartbreaking aspects of this is people are still general Joe below who consumes corporate propaganda maybe guardian maybe cnn fogs bbc nbc cb yet all the corporate propaganda papers and news channels okay they've been programming people to believe it's okay to crucify a journalist that is trying to bring accountability and transparency to power unbelievable as far as i'm concerned the way that julie nissange would become free if hundreds of thousands of people went onto the streets and surrounded belmosh prison right and set free him now and this was broadcast across the airways online but unfortunately there were only a few hundred people attending these things because well covid control right propaganda control and people genuinely afraid of their governments of what would happen to them if they defended julie nissange jina how are you doing greetings and salutations and greetings jina i hope you're doing well i'm not sure if notifications have everyone out on twitch right um but thank you for being here gang now i'm not sure if you guys want to talk about this oh yeah let me give you guys the links here's the link to the article by robert fisk and again rest in peace robert fisk he passed away today okay and here's the link to this interview and gang i heard little bling blings and bling blings thank you for the subs thank you for the followers appreciate them so those are the two links that we have right now that we've looked at we read the first article watch this interview now we have a choice let's read john pilgers eyewitness to the trial and agony of julie nissange which is and john pilger was has covered julie nissange he he's talked to julie nissange actually i should queue up the first interview john pilger ever did with julie nissange okay i'll try to remember to do that um oh i didn't bring a pen and pencil here but i'll try to remember to do that um if one of the mods if you remember if anyone remembers please let me know to queue that up for tomorrow because i don't have that queued up i do have an interview uh here with john um oh i forget the guy's name again constanza interviewing this person regarding the 10th anniversary of wikileaks releasing the julie iraq war logs which is basically one of the things that the the u.s. government is going after julie nissange for say it again the information elder god it's the first interview that john pilger did with julie nissange okay so the interview of john pilger with julie nissange i was meaning to do that but this morning but robert fisk's news of robert fisk's death got me sort of seeking his one of his articles that i wanted to read i knew he'd written about julie nissange but i wanted to pick one that was it was it took it to the core of what's wrong with it right and i also had a little bit of hiccup with obs uploading the new version on it to get the display working and live streaming working and stuff like this how about we read this article by john pilger and this is a gang if you're not if you're not uh if you don't know who john pilger is uh you've never you've never read real journalism you've never read you've never watched political documentary to its to its capacity okay he's put out documentaries about lots of political documentaries and one of his most famous ones is year zero regarding cambodia okay and it came out in 1970 74 73 or something like that it was it was broadcast in us airways once on pbs at like one o'clock in the morning and it was never ever broadcast again for i don't know how many years like a decade or two decades because the centralized government told pbs they were not allowed to broadcast year zero john pilger's year zero regarding the war in cambodia vietnam war and stuff like this okay so highly recommend john pilger as well as robert fisk and craig murray of course and chris hedges okay i know people have asked me multiple times to share my new sources and we do that every now and then uh every year every two years i upload a new video sharing my new sources and all three of these actually uh i don't think i had craig murray as one of my new sources previously but i will include that in the next one gang should we read this i witnessed to the trial on agony of julien assange by john pilger unless there's any more questions and i think uh this you know this will be the article the last article we read uh for today's stream and then we'll continue with the rest of the stuff tomorrow the stuff we have planned out to read and let me give you guys the link to this article as well and this is john pilger's website i witnessed to the trial and agony of julien assange october 2nd 2020 soaking in there for awesome elder god john pilger has watched julien assange's extradition trial from the public gallery at london's old bailey he spoke with timothy eric strom of arena magazine australia question having watched julien assange's trial firsthand can you describe the prevailing atmosphere in the court john pilger the prevailing atmosphere has been shocking i say that without hesitation i have sat in many courts and seldom known such a corruption of due process this is due revenge putting aside the ritual associated with british justice at times it has been evocative of a statliness show trial one difference is that in the show trials the defendant stood in the court proper in the assange trial the defendant was caged behind thick glass and had to crawl on his knees to a slit in the glass overseen by his guards to make contact with his lawyers his message whispered barely audibly through the face mask was then passed by posted to posted the length of the court to where his barristers were arguing the case against his extradition to an american hellhole consider this daily routine of julien assange an australian on trial for truth-telling journalism he was woken he was woken at five o'clock in his cell at belmarsh prison in the bleak southern sprawl of london the first time i saw julien and belmarsh having passed through half an hour of security checks including a dog snout in my rear i found a painfully thin figure sitting alone wearing a yellow armband he has lost more than 10 kilograms in a matter of months his arms had no muscles his first words were i think i'm losing my mind i tried to measure assure him he wasn't his resilience and courage are formidable but there is a limit that was more than a year ago in the past three weeks in the pre-dawn he was stripped searched shackled and prepared for transport to the central criminal court the old bailey in a truck that his partner sella morris described as an open-ended coffin it has one small window he had to stand precariously to look out the truck and his guards were operated by circo one of many politically connected companies that run much of boris johnson's britain the journey to the old bailey took a took at least an hour and a half that's a minimum of three hours being jolted through a snake-like traffic every day he was led into his narrow cage at the back of the court then look then look up blinking trying to make out faces in the public gallery through the reflection of the glass he saw the courtly figure of his dad john shipton and me and our fist fist went up through the glass he reached out to touch fingers with stella who who is a lawyer and seated in the body of the court we were here for the ultimate of what the philosopher guide the board called the society of the spectacle a man fighting for his life yet his crime is to have performed an epic public service revealing that which we have a right to know the lives of our governments and the crimes they committed in our name his creation of wiki leaks and his failsafe protection of sources revelation revolutionized journalism restoring it to the vision of his idealists edmund berks notion of free journalism as a force state is now fifth state that shines the light on those who diminish the very meaning of democracy and their criminal secrecy that's why his punishment is so extreme the sheer bias in the courts i have sat in this year and last year with julian in the dock blight any notion of british justice when thuggish police dragged him from his asylum in the ecuadoran embassy look closely at the photo and you'll see he is clutching a gore vedal book assange has a political humor similar to vedals a judge gave him an outrageous 50 week sentence in a maximum security prison for mere mere bail infringement for months he was denied exercise and held in solitary confinement disguised as health care he once told me he strode the length of his cell back and forth back and forth for his own half marathon in the next cell occupants scream through the night at first he was denied his reading glasses left behind in the embassy embassy brutally brutality he was denied the legal documents with which the with which to prepare his case and access to the prison library and the use of a basic laptop books sent to him by a friend the journalist charles glass himself a survivor of hostage taking in beirut were returned he could not call his american lawyers he has been constantly medicated by the prison authorities when i asked him what they were giving him he couldn't say the governor of belmosh had been awarded the order of british empire at the old bailey one of the expert medical witnesses dr kate humphrey a clinical neuro neuropsychologist at imperial college london described the damage julian's intellect had gone from in the superior or more likely very superior range to significantly below this optimal level to the point where he was struggling to absorb information and perform in the lower average range this is what the united nation's special repertoire on torture professor nils melzer calls psychological torture the rule of a gang like mobbing by government and their media shills some of the expert medical evidence is so shocking i have no intention of repeating it here suffice to say that assange is diagnosed with autism and asperg's syndrome and according to professor michael colman one of the world's a league leading neuropsychiatrist he suffers from suicidal preoccupations and is likely to find a way to take his life if he is extradited to america james lewis qc america's british prosecutor spent the best part of his cross-examination of professor koppel dismissing mental illness and his dangers as meling melingering melingering i have never heard in a modern setting such a primitive view of human frailty and vulnerability my own view is that if assange is freed he is likely to recover substantial part of his life he has a loving partner devoted friends and allies and the innate strength of a principled political prisoner he also has a wicked sense of humor but that is a long way off the moments of collusion between the judge a gothic gothic-looking magistrate called venessa breitzer about whom little is known and the prosecution acting for the trump regime have been brazen until the last few days defense arguments have been routinely dismissed the lead prosecutor james lewis qc xsas and currently chief justice of the falcons by and large guess what he wants notably up to four hours to denigrate expert witnesses while the defense's examination is guillotined at half an hour i have no doubt had they been a jury his freedom would be assured the dissent this dissident artist i what we came to join us join us one morning in the public gallery he noted that in china the judge's decisions would already have been made this caused some dark ironic amusement my companion in the gallery the astute diarist and former british ambassador craig murray wrote i fear that all over london a very hard rain is now falling on those those who for a lifetime have worked within institutions of liberal democracy that at least broadly and usually used to operate within the governance of their own professed principles it has been clear to me from day one that i am watching a charade unfold it is not in the least a shock to me that bear barrett sir does not think anything beyond the written opening arguments has any effect i have again and again reported to you that we're ruling where rulings have been made she has brought them into court pre-written before hearing the arguments before her i strongly expect the final decision was made in this case even before opening arguments were received end quote the plan of the u.s government throughout has been to limit information available to the public and limit the effective access to a wider public of what information is available thus we have seen the extreme restrictions on both physical physical and video access on complicit mainstream media has ensured those of us who know what is happening are very few in the wider population there are a few records of the proceedings they are craig murray's personal blog joel lur's living reporting on consortium news and the world's socialist website american journalist kevin costans costal as blog shadowproof funded mostly by himself has reported more of the trial than the major u.s press and tv including cnn combined in australia asanjah's homeland the coverage follows a familiar form formula said overseas the london correspondent of the sydney morning herald laquita bork wrote this recently quote the court heard asanj become depressed during the seven years he spent in the ecudoran embassy where he sought political asylum to escape extradition to sweden to answer rape and sexual assault charges end quote there were no rape and sexual assault charges in sweden berger berks lazy falsehood is not uncommon if the asanj trial is the political trial of the century and i believe it is its outcome will not only seal the fate of a journalist for doing his job but intimidate the very principles of free journal journalism and free speech the absence of serious mainstream reporting of the proceedings is at the very least self-destructive journalists should ask who is next how shaming it is it all is a decade ago the garden exploited asanj's work claimed its profit and prizes as well as a lucrative hollywood deal then turned on him with venom throughout the old bailey trial two names have been cited by the prosecution the guardians david lee now retired as investigations editor and luke harding the russia folk and author of a fictional guardian scoop that claimed trump advisor paul manaford and a group of russians visited asanj in the ecudoran embassy this never happened and the guardian has yet to apologize the harding and lee book on asanj written behind their subjects back disclosed a secret password to a wiki leaks file that asanj had entrusted to lee during the guardians partnership why the defense has not called this pair is difficult to understand asanj is quoted in this in their book declare declaring during a dinner at a london restaurant that he didn't care if informants names in the leaks were harmed neither harding nor lee was at the dinner john quotes an investigative reporter with their spiegel was at the dinner and testified that asanj said nothing of the kind incredibly judge barrett barrett sir stopped goats actually saying this in court however the defense has succeeded in demonstrating the extent to which asanj sought to protect and redact names in the files released by wiki leaks and to no credit credible evidence existed of individuals harmed by the leaks the great whistleblower daniel esberg said that asanj had personally redacted 15 000 files the renowned new zealand investigative journalist nicky hager who worked with asanj on the afghanistan iraq war leaks described how asanj took extraordinary precautions in redacting names of informants question what are the implications of this trial's verdict for journalism more broadly is it an omen of things to come john pilger the asanj effect is already being felt across the world if they displease if they displease the regime in washington investigative journalists are liable to prosecution under the 1917 us espionage that the precedent is stark it doesn't matter where you are for washington other people's nationality and sovereignty rarely matter now it does not exist britain has effectively surrendered his journal jurisdiction to trump's corrupt department of justice in australia a national security information act promises kafka's trials for transgressors the australian broadcasting corporation has been raided by police and journalists computers taken away the government has given unprecedented powers to in intelligence officers making journalistic whistleblowing almost impossible prime minister scott morrison says asanj must face the music the profidus cruelty of this statement is reinforced by its banality evil wrote hannah r r dot comes from a failure to think it defies thought force for as soon as thought cries to engage itself with evil and examine the premises of principles from which it originates it is frustrated because finds nothing there this is the banality of evil question having followed the story of wiki leaks closely for a decade how has this eyewitness experience shifted your understanding of what's at stake with asanj's trial i have long been a critical of journalism as an echo of an unaccountable power and a champion of those who are beacons so for me the arrival of wiki leaks was exciting i admired the way asanj regarded the public with respect that he was prepared to share his work with the mainstream but not join their collusive club this and naked jealousy made him enemies among the overpaid and overtack over talent talented insecure in their um pretensions of independence and impartiality i admired the moral dimensions dimension to wiki leaks asanj was rarely asked about this yes yet much of his remarkable energy comes from a powerful moral sense that government and other vested interests should not operate behind walls of secrecy he is a democrat he explained this is one of our first interviews at my home in 2010 what is at stake for the rest of us has long been at stake freedom to call authority to account freedom to challenge to call out hypocrisy to dissent the difference today is that world's imperial power the united states has never been as unsure of its metatistic authority as it is today like a frailing rogue it is spinning us towards a world war if we allow it little of this menace is reflected in the media wiki leaks on the other hand has allowed us to glimpse a rampant imperial march through who whole societies think of the carnage in iraq afghanistan libya syria yemen to name a few to dispositions dispositions of 37 million people and deaths of 12 million men women and children in the war torn most of it behind the facade of the deception julian assange is a threat to these recurring horrors that's why he is being persecuted why a court of law has become an instrument of oppression why he ought to be our collective conscience why we all should be the threat the judge's decision will be known on the fourth of july powerful article by john pilger okay powerful article by john pilger an extremely important article by john pilger very powerful very important and gang he mentions kevin costanza in this article and this is an interview on kevin costanza's i'm going to give you guys this link as well i highly recommend you join his channel julian assange is a hero indeed and this interview is 30 minutes along so if there is you know if there is no questions and stuff like this or anything you guys want to discuss further right now we can hello bark how are you doing if you like we can listen to this interview or save this interview and we can start with this interview tomorrow morning and just have a discussion for the last you know rest of the 20 minutes of this live stream which might be a good idea maybe we'll because i don't have you have pepe eskibar's article to read as well and this is a shorter piece that i could do in 20 minutes but i don't want to rush through things and if need be i might do three julian assange streams this is stuff that is important so right now i'm going to try to for tomorrow i remember hello god i know you're going to remind me uh john pilger's first interview with julian assange and there's a couple of articles that i would while i was reading these that came to mind that i have read in the past that i might try to you know find for tomorrow and just archive them and see if we can get to them and read them right i'm overloaded with all the us lies elder god i think for me what we are witnessing is extremely even though it's painful it's it's it's positive that what we are witnessing come to light is is important this would never have happened if wiki leaks and julian assange didn't come on the stage at least the china government was on yes i agree that's the kicker if i if i'm with two people and they're both brutal evil sobs right and one of them is telling me i'm a brutal evil sob and i want to mess you up and the other one's saying i'm your friend and i'm here to help you but they're the same piece of crap as this person i have respect for this person because they're honest and i detest that person even more than this person that is honest okay absolutely the us lies can make your head spin insanely the darkness of america america and it's not just the united states lark bark it's central power look at the uk government this trial this show trial this farce this crucifying of julian assange is taking place in the uk it's taking place in the uk it's taking place where the magna carter came to be right so it's not just the united states it's the uk it's australia look at what's going on austral look at canada look at new zealand look at the the the the country that has the greatest amount of influence in all of those countries israel look at the show trials in israel look at the show trials look at there are no trials in saudi arabia look at saudi arabia it's not just the united states it's every centralized power and saudi arabia i mentioned is because saudi arabia is one of the greatest allies of the united states canada uk australia new zealand right the five eyes they support the saudi regime right it is not just the united states it's the centralization of power that has become corrupt to a level where they're taking a journalist and they have convinced the masses that the journalist is the bad guy and the message is irrelevant unbelievable the message that the central power has been brutalizing countless people across the globe committing war crimes torturing people killing women and children massacring people starving people people who don't like julien assange they have completely forgotten about the message they are propagating misinformation and disinformation they are not the people who believe the central powers propaganda against wikileaks and julien assange are not free thinking human beings they are you can think about whatever you want to think about i got my own opinion about those people okay my government have bugged out of freedom yeah the uk it like really what we're seeing go down in the uk united states australia canada new zealand the five eye countries it's pretty frightening okay if julien assange is extradited from the uk to the united states that will be the final nail in our coffin because what we might see is the iron curtain going up and we're going to be on the wrong side of it and this is not an exaggeration i feel terrible for the uk they're living in hell look at australia look look the the yeah the uk the uk is the uk but uk i can honestly tell you this was written you could see what's going on in the uk coming through tony blare all right why is tony blare why hasn't he been arrested put in jail and the same question for george bush cheney rumsfeld until we hold those that have committed war crimes in our country is accountable we will not be free of these totalitarian regimes okay waking up many sleeping people now yeah gang should we call the stream i tried my best to read things properly um i stumbled on a few words and uh i hope it all came out okay i hope it all came out okay amazing information and i will definitely have the links to these articles in the description of this video and uh tony blare sitting in the high table i'm sure of it yeah tony blare man that guy unbelievable unbelievable right unbelievable mods thank you for being here thank you for taking care of business okay and let me put this back up and i gotta put this on because i need to have access to it exciting times gang exciting times grow forest i wish we all could grow forest we could i guess we just gotta buy the land and make sure you get we get our government back right let's call it evil camelot evil camelot where is Excalibur when you need it elder god where is Excalibur when you need it right gang thank you for being here and we're gonna do this again tomorrow at 10 am pdt part 10 i guess because this is part nine of our julien assange stream right we're going to do it again tomorrow read some more articles look at some more videos okay interviews lectures or whatnot interviews for the most part interviews we're gonna watch okay and um ideally i might try to find julien assange short that compilation that we might watch as well and if there's anything you think is worthy of us sharing uh posted on our discord page aside from that gang uh i am on patreon patreon.com forward slash chicho chy cho if you want to support this work uh you can support this work on patreon i don't put anything behind paywall everything's creative commons and there is a layer of mathematics behind everything vernon colman has an interesting video on bnt okay no worries i'll catch it on bit shoot or something twitching jason how are you doing oh no i missed it yeah sorry twitching jason it doesn't look like twitch notifications went out but i'll load it up on bit shoot most likely uh we're gonna load up the i'm gonna try to get the personal finance and investing video stream we did up maybe today if i can manage it now so it's going to be personal finance stream coming up uh first and then we got two math streams i'm going to load up and then we got the entheogen entheogen i might load up right after the personal uh personal finance stuff so there's four so after four videos uh the fifth and sixth one that are going to be loaded on bit shoot and entheogen is definitely not going to go on youtube so the fifth one uh fourth and fifth one will be on youtube okay so you know that's the order i'm sort of going to play catch up trying to get these live streams up and i still have some editing work to do as well we are live streaming on twitch gang we see the chat down here uh if you want to participate in this chat in these live streams as they are happening twitch is where you want to be at twitch.tv forward slash chicholive c-h-y-c-h-o-l-i-v-e mods thank you for taking care of business gang thank you for the follows thank you for the subs thank you for the discussions and thank you for being here do you uh do you hear about glenn yeah glenn greenwall resigning from the intercept yeah and lark i stopped reading anything from the intercept because the people i was excited at first with uh with the intercept because you know glenn glenn more germy skahill and laura poit uh poister i think pointer poister point uh laura they started it but unfortunately they brought in mahidi or whatever his that garbage garbage persons uh gatekeeper of information is right and he's that guy's full of russia gate and propaganda and garbage so unfortunately they tagged themselves together with big money right a technocrat and i followed some of the stuff and i could see the garbage coming in and it was just a matter of time until glenn greenwald was gonna uh step away from that and i'm waiting for germy skahill to leave as well i stopped listening to james germy skahill's podcast as well okay thank you uh thug mike my pleasure thank you laura yeah morning streams are not best for political streamers streams maybe maybe we'll do more later later on in the evening yeah they're bringing in neoliberal nonsense is disappointing yeah germy germy skahill should go solo as well but he's being paid while right hopefully he has money saved up and he can get together with grand glenn wall and they create a new thing we're in a renaissance right now we're seeing disruptive innovation kick in all of these platforms that are lying to the public that are propagating misinformation and disinformation from central power they need to be gone right and they are losing membership you uh facebook came out and said oh they didn't get as many uh members joining right twitter their stock dropped 12 dollars since last week right like 30 percent 20 percent whatever it was 20 percent since last week because well people are going into other platforms that are free speech platforms right good riddance to them good riddance to them disruptive innovation i'm stealing that indeed please share and share like i reckon 80 or 80 percent of chichonias are in the north are in north america yeah they are i'm back actually there's a uh there's a few in europe uh elder god there's a few in europe gang i do announce these live streams 30 minutes before we go live on elo mines vk parlor gap and twitter okay you can follow the someone's stuff we're sharing there and of course participate in our discord discussions there's a few hundred people there now on discord sharing a favor information and talking to each other and challenging challenging each other and stuff like this which is fantastic right including me right so it's a good place to be to share information right lark bark another propaganda think tank what a travesty and yes i love the intercept but it's unfortunate yeah i will try to extract out the audio of this live stream and load it up on to soundcloud when i get a chance okay soundcloud.com forward slash chicho and any podcast any audio that we're loading on soundcloud should be available on both spotify and itunes and we will be uploading this video to bit shoot and youtube we're not sharing any of the political live streams that we do current events live streams we do or entheogen live streams we do on twitch on youtube they're all going on bit shoot however my red line is julien assange if we are since we started loading uh julien assange streams on youtube we have been demoted there's no no doubt about it shadow band or you know they're not we're not being promoted i'm pretty sure people are being unsubscribe without being unsubscribe without unsubscribing themselves and stuff like this you can just see the data i'm a data freak right i love my mathematics i analyze data and looking at the data there's definitely shadow banning and censorship happening on youtube and they have been deplatforming people i'm not sure right now they're not deplatforming anyone that's talking about julien assange they're just demoting them right we'll take the demote hit we've taken it from day one we'll take we'll continue to take it for julien assange however those of you watching this on youtube if you find my channel disappearing if you find this space that we've created disappear on youtube know that we got the platform go to bit shoot because we've shared information right we've done the vault seven readings we've done the guantanamo file readings we've done the opc w readings we've talked about julien assange we've talked about the technocrats we've talked about this information right if youtube continues on the path that they're continuing to go on maybe two years from now they'll say anyone that shared that information is off youtube just letting you know giving you a heads up okay and if you want to support this work on those platforms you can like you can share you can comment you can participate in the discussions and if you're on youtube you can join youtube membership there's a button down there and i believe if more people join youtube membership maybe we'll start being promoted more because youtube is about money aside from censorship controlling information right long live long live from your kid be safer won't be safe boris the clown will be held accountable for this for his r youtube is evil gang thanks for being here and i'll see you guys tomorrow 10 a.m pd t pst pacific west coast time west coast of can the united states tomorrow okay i'll work on it i'll look at once i start getting funds and i'm going to start building my own disruptive innovation instead of piggybacking on these platforms that are censoring information right we're here for the long game brother we will we will bye everyone see you tomorrow don't miss it we've got a lot more info to go through i know hope you have a fantastic day