People of the internet welcome it's a modern day debate tonight. We are debating does systematic racism exist We have James Hake of the Hake report crossing swords with Hunter Avalon and going first tonight is Hunter Avalon So I will turn it over to Hunter for his 10 minute opening statement Hunter the floor is all yours Thank you very much. Of course, I'm taking the position that systemic racism is absolutely real and it's an almost undeniable Fact I would say so I wrote something out I will read it as quickly as I can part of the reason systemic racism is so hard to understand is because it's multifaceted with downstream results from several historical policies Excuse me. Some policies had the intention to screw over black people while others are simply a result of an already broken system So systemic racism is defined as a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization In simple terms systemic racism refers to a system that disproportionately negatively affects Black people that's going to be the definition that I am using today Because that is the definition and it's a simpler explanation. So systemic racism does not require Intentionally racist laws to still be a big issue So for example in 1934 the federal housing administration successfully segregated neighborhoods on the basis of race First incentivizing builders to build suburban neighborhoods with the requirement that no black people were allowed to purchase in those communities This forced black people into urban housing projects And at the same time the federal housing administration refused to ensure mortgages in and near African-american neighborhoods, which was a policy called redlining maps would be color coded with red lines to indicate risky quote areas to ensure Now you might be thinking this is a really long time ago and yes, you'd be right But the problem is that these discriminatory policies have a lasting effect to this day According to the brookings institute for the last two generations We see higher starting poverty rates lower upward mobility rates and higher downward mobility rates for black people The higher rates of poverty among black people is almost entirely a result of redlining Americans generate wealth using their home equity, but for decades blacks were restricted from growing generational wealth due to redlining According to the encyclopedia of chicago redlining had pernicious and damaging effects without bank loans and insurance Redlined areas lacked the capital essential for investment and redevelopment as a result suburban areas received preference for residential investment at the expense of Poor and minority neighborhoods in cities like chicago Uh, so after this policy was finally done away with it was unfortunately too late Black people lost out on a huge chance to grow wealth to pass down to their children and since the suburban homes increased in value over the decades Black people were no longer able to afford the nicer homes leading to significantly less upward mobility compared to their white counterparts This is still impacting black people today brookings institute again explains that at 171 thousand dollars the net worth of a typical white family is nearly 10 times greater than that of a black family in 2016 Gaps in wealth between black and white households reveal the effects of accumulated inequality and discrimination As well as differences in power and opportunity that can be traced back to this nation's inception Black adults in their 30s are over 16 times more likely than white adults to be in the third generation of poverty in a row In fact, black americans are 41 percent more likely to be in third generation poverty than white americans are to be poor According to a research paper published by park place economist There's a direct correlation between poverty and violent crime rates. I know I already see people in the chat saying 1350 sustained economic growth projects reducing unemployment progressive taxes increasing benefits to the poor And increasing jobs to fight violent crimes are all valid ways at reducing poverty and fighting violent crime So this means that because of the federal government's redlining the already poorer black neighborhoods inevitably have a higher crime rate as well Next in the 60s and 70s both the tough on crime approach along with the war on drugs were implemented Since more crime already existed amongst the poorer black communities More black people were subsequently targeted by the crackdown on drugs and crime Higher crime rates also meant more police were put in the area to stop crime And this might sound like the right move on its surface, but again, it has downstream effects There isn't any intentional racism involved when deciding to put more police in an area with higher crime rates But again systemic racism is a system which results in disproportionate negative outcomes for black people Higher encounters with police means a higher likelihood of being victimized by police brutality Which is a fact supported by statistics collected on police violence According to pew research center in 2017 There were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites A 2020 aclu report found that black people were much more likely to be arrested for marijuana usage Despite the fact that whites and blacks have consistently been shown to use the drug at the same rate In 2013 a federal judge ruled stop and frisk an aspect of the tough on crime approach was unconstitutional The judge found that the police department resorted to a policy of indirect racial profiling as it increased the number of stops in minority communities That has led to officers routinely stopping blacks and Hispanics who had not have been stopped if they were white According to an in-depth 2020 nature study which examined nearly 100 million traffic stops across the country Black drivers were less likely to be stopped after sunset Uh when uh, they were in a veil of darkness masking one's race Which suggests bias in stop decisions These biases extend outside of simply the police and poverty But also to our criminal justice system as a whole a 2014 study looked at 33 years of data And they found that after adjusting for variables such as the number of victims and brutality of the crimes jurors in washington state were 4.5 times more likely to impose the death penalty On black defendants accused of aggravated murder than on white ones According to a 2017 u.s sentencing commission report black male offenders receive sentences on average 19.1 longer than similarly situated white male offenders Sense systems are made up of people Subconscious biases can negatively affect the decisions made in regards to black people Again, this does not mean that everyone here is an evil racist It simply means that a long and painful history has contributed to the poor situation blacks are still in And those poor situations play a role in shaping our perceptions today So in conclusion to summarize the government intentionally segregated white and black communities Which led to less generational wealth for black people Resulting in poorer neighborhoods and hence more crime more crime follows more police Which means black people are negatively affected at disproportionate rates by police brutality and our criminal justice system as a whole Black people did not choose to be in the position They are in today and we really only have two options to take away from this relevant data Either systems exist which severely disadvantage black people or black people are all just stupid for not pulling themselves up by the bootstraps Thank you so much for your opening statement hunter and we will go ahead and kick it over to hake for his opening statement Take your first word the floor is all yours. All right. Appreciate it cause and thank you Hunter avalon. It's nice to meet you on stream man. Shout out to the chat Uh, I love that two white guys are debating this imaginary idea called racism It is a phony and contrived artificial illusion of an idea and it's uh Regardless of results or intent It's a foolish thing to be uh caught up in and it only hurts blacks who get caught up in this fake idea Um, I'm glad that it's two white guys debating it because we don't have the the um years of brainwashing from childhood Generations upon generations forcing this on us So that they get so that I get triggered by the idea that there is no such thing as racism because That's the reality. Um I saw in the I saw on twitter somebody said that this will this debate usually falls into A a debate of definitions one says our institutions don't have race-based policies and therefore aren't racist. That's not my position The other says our institutions as hunter said Produce unequal racial outcome. Therefore, it's racist regardless of intent any hopes for a productive discussion I think we'll have one. Um every example of quote-unquote racism Just honestly makes the the quote-unquote victim look bad when you look at how um Yes, there was segregation in the past. There wasn't it wasn't racist. It was based on Uh, a reality that people people are different communities and it was um, this was a white country and the white men wanted to Hold on to their country. They didn't necessarily want to Have these people have an equal status in society and I don't think that that's an unreasonable position But every example of this racism thing just makes the quote-unquote victim look bad and a result of some failure on the part of Then the whites or the blacks or the asians or Hispanics or whoever imagines that they are a victim of racism right now We see a lot of anti whiteness, but even that is not quote-unquote racism It's such a communist reversal of of truth of reality You see blacks are the worst offenders perpetrators They feel like victims victims feel like victims eventually become perpetrators And so it's a vicious circle when you're told you're a victim You get resentful and then the whites are Are brainwashed into thinking oh, I don't want to look racist And so they have a little bit of extra fear and that extra nice And that only makes the blacks even more suspicious of them and project Their imaginings of racism upon the whites because the reality is When you ask blacks Have you experienced racism? They will say it And then it's some imaginary thing that they read into their experience with a cop or with a white or whatever um The blacks are like the most aggressive people most Most full filled with prejudice towards others of any race in america right now They're not the innocent victims and that's because they're taught that they're victims I argue and they're raised by the single mothers And you can say that the government did encourage the single mothers to go into the home But why did they Take the bribe It's a failure on their own part to take the bribe to get their The fathers out of the homes for the mothers to and the fathers to hate one another and they hate one another more now more than ever Meanwhile whites are the most like fair minded in america accepting embracing of other cultures And we're supposed to expect that oh the cops are racist. They're shooting these blacks There's this police brutality another imaginary idea We need to deal with black brutality and the blacks are begging For more police to deal with the black brutality in the black communities And we all know this is society deteriorates We see wrongdoing expand expanding this family breakdown and moral breakdown and victimhood mindset is expanding into the other Ethnicities and other even including whites families are getting destroyed People are getting educated blacks think oh the best the best way to get ahead is Education that's not true Because you get indoctrinated in these government schools And even the private schools are filled filled with blind brainwashed people who are blind leading the blind Crime grows in Dependence grows degeneracy grows this Women are leading the way and women don't come with come up with good solutions And women have been dominating the black communities for several decades now And it's been a it's that's I argue that's Probably the primary reason why they're suffering so much and unfortunately the other races are following suit there's a lot of There's a lot of pick and choose in terms of hate crimes and things like that. That's why you see With the federal with the federal government. It's politically motivated. That's why you see pick and you see cherry-picked things like the january 6th thing or the Unite the right charlotsville situation They they act like the whites or the trump supporters or the primary offenders the real insurrectionists Meanwhile, they ignore and encourage the I say they I'm talking about the establishment media social media government Uh and everything else They're propping up black lives matter and everything else.  They're disproportionately Resisting arrest killing cops killing one another killing whites It's pretty out of control black crime is out of control and the black attitude Is also out of control among the people who are pretty law abiding They have a blind mindset and they're not told the truth.  Oh be democrats Racism is real prop up women Gays are okay and all that stuff and they go into their schools crt and racism is real and Black America was founded on slavery and genocide all these fake things but Life is not supposed to be this fair thing. But right now we have this female minded idea of fairness But in in reality, that's not how life works in the bible christ said to him who has more will be given But to him from him who does not have even what he has Will be taken away from him And so the people who have who have money or the people who have a can do mindset They thrive in life and nobody is stopping blacks from voting and all that stuff voter suppression Is a whole bunch of it's a whole pack of lies And so I say there is no such thing as racism systemic or otherwise All right. Thank you so much. Hey for your opening statement. 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David wood And with that we will go ahead and kick it into the open discussion for one hour At your first word gentlemen, the floor is all yours Yeah, cake. Could I start off by asking you a couple things about your opening? Yes Um, well, I don't know if you realize this but you mentioned a bunch of issues that are all results of systemic racism So the first thing you said was that this is a was a white country founded for white people I don't know if you believe that how it's so inconceivable that if the country was literally founded for white people There could not also exist certain systems that are screwing over people that aren't white That's the first thing the second thing you said was that blacks are the most aggressive Again, when we're talking about violent crime, this is a downstream effect of poverty and poverty is a result of previous historical racist policies Lastly, you brought up single mothers Which if we're going to talk about for example While there was a government policy that was put in place that screwed over the black community and led to more single mothers That is systemic racism. It can come from the democrats just like it can come from the republicans Uh furthermore an example of systemic racism is literally that black men are disproportionately arrested for My new drug offenses and so that's another contributing factor as to why there is a a higher rate of single mothers So I don't know if you realize that you brought up a bunch of things in your opening that are actually all based on Uh systemic racism I say that none of those things are systemic racism And the white countries are the most fair to the so-called minorities Um To deal with the the fact that this is a white country and it was made by white people How about some appreciation rather than resentment because resentment is what blacks are fed by the people that you're listening to and That has only made them worse off Because you leave out the spirit you think that this poverty thing causes crime But poverty does not cause crime It's if anything, it's the reverse, but really it's a lack of morals It's a lack of character in a and a and you say that the family situation was was a result of racist policy It's it they took the bribe So I say that they need they will benefit most From responsibility You you treating them like victims is not love Well, I actually agree with you that when we're talking about in equal us or the systemic racism We absolutely should encourage the individual no matter what circumstance they're in To strive for a level of personal responsibility and to try to do as best as they can regardless of the circumstances They're in but again, there's still issues even with that. So I think we would probably both agree that hey Uh being responsible in this situation would probably look like going out and look and getting a job, right? If you're living in poverty, it's probably really important that you go out and get a job But there are issues with that as well that if you have a black sounding name You're less likely to get callbacks on your job resumes So there's all kinds of systemic issues and biases that exist that are holding black people back You say that they're not appreciative, which uh, I don't know where the proof of that is I think that most people explain me about that appreciative Yeah, I think appreciative of whites. Yes rather than well, I think the people can be appreciate I think that people can be uh They can appreciate the country they live in while still recognizing that there are More things that need to change for the better in this country as well. Do you disagree with that? Um, I do not disagree with that, but they misdiagnosed the problem You mentioned the black sounding names part of that is their own fault because blacks are trained to For a few generations now. They've been trained to come up with more african-esque sounding names And those parents will have a chip on their shoulder. They're that's why they're naming their kids Not normal names, but you think the parents are resentful towards whites. So they're giving their black kids black sounding names Yeah, they have this how are you reading that conclusion because this sounds like delusion to me right now They're the ones who are deluded. Yes No, you're deluded if you think that you're somehow able to uh, apply motive To these people's actions. Why else would they have why else would they have let me let me finish Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. No, do you think that black or white people who named their children Jake and john have a chip on their shoulder to black people and that's why they're giving them white sounding names No, because that's that's a normal american name. They're not trying to be they're not trying to be different They're not trying to be all into the into their unique culture and separate from the rest of america You're doing that right now You're literally saying that this is a white country built by whites for whites and the black should be appreciative of white people You right now are playing into this cultural thing about white people and smart blacks Would assimilate rather than try to be different. You'll see asians Will name their kids with american sounding names or they'll or they'll use an american sounding name Some of them are changing back to that. I want to focus on one thing at a time though Because you're trying to apply resentment causes. Yeah, it's always it resentment. How are you reaching this conclusion?  He's going to cry racism When I have to discipline him actually what you're saying right now. It's called being racist. No, it's not it's it's reality It's a risk assessment Oh, no, I'm gonna hire someone this is like me saying. Oh, no, I'm gonna hire a white guy named uh named jake How I bet he's gonna be a school shooter If you're making assumptions based on people purely based on their name You are deriving some kind of ethnic identity from that is racism No, you're taking a risk when you hire anybody And why would you take an extra risk of somebody who when you haven't have a lot of experiences? You you may not have a lot of experiences with school shooters But you have a lot of of experiences with this black attitude And i'm putting that in quotes and it's something that they do have And especially when they have like these shenanigans and all these crazy names Because they culture They're not culturally significant. They they started coming up the slaves weren't named with that with those names They changed they changed it in order to be into this false black identity Over there. I don't even know you're just making a versions right now and you're basically applying some ill intent Do you think the slaves were called shenene?  Are you unaware that most blacks resent whites and have this idea of that that there's such victims of racism? I mean, I think that there's pretty solid evidence that black people are victims of a lot of racism Considering what I just laid out at the beginning of my my uh in my intro here The the most blacks don't know anything about what you're talking about So some of them are are educated and and have been brainwashed into that those false victim hood narratives But most of them most of them will will be like, oh, yeah This racism is real and they'll say oh this racist cop or this racist white They they project racism on anything when they get caught or in trouble. They'll they'll cry racism We've all been through this.   Yes, it does it breeds resentment You're complaining about the problem that you're simultaneously contributing to I'm not contributing to it by pointing out the issue They should be they should be grateful and they should be Responsible and they should become americans rather than calling themselves african americans Which is also a new thing and having all these black sounding names They're aware of it.  You've seen it all over Well, no right now It's funny too because hold on wait because now you're actually appealing to intuition Which you said that there's the female minded idea of being fair You're more or less appealing to feelings and intuition right now, which in my opinion is a little bit more female minded sounding It's experience everybody has seen this But you're making assertions based on your own personal experiences your intuition Which is not uh, uh, it's not comparable or analogous to the broader statistics that we're talking about here So even if you met a white or a black person who seemed to have a chip on their shoulder against white people That does not then follow that this is a problem amongst all of black people Furthermore, if there was an issue amongst all of black people, we would have to ask why is that? Why is black culture the way that it is today, right? Because it's woman led It's anger led And it's in it's utter denial to pretend that blacks don't have an attitude when they are Resisting arrests like crazy. They have a yes or no question for you. Do you think that we are a product of our environment? Yes, in the fallen state. Yes, we are. Okay. So if we are products of our environment How then does it not follow that black culture is also a product of said environment? They're their mothers Indeed you're right. Wait, so you're saying it's led by women because of the higher rate of single mothers, correct? Yes in part, but even when the fathers are in the home the fathers are weak and letting the woman run the show Okay. Well, I don't again. You're just making assertions here But if I would grant no if I were to grant you the claim that there are more single mothers amongst black communities Then that is literally a that is literally a result of systemic racism. No, it's not it's their own fault for taking the bribe So during times of segregation are they not responsible for themselves for refusing to go into uh businesses that said no blacks allowed That's that's not a problem That was not a problem for them because they had their own businesses during segregation Yes, on the black people who were discriminated against in certain areas Because they didn't just break the rules or do something It's the fight against segregation wasn't this wasn't this big problem for them Uh, I don't know again. You're you're just making assertions right now. You're being very female minded my friend I can go and tell you more and more information if you'd like about redlining and the federal attempt the intentional federal attempt at Segregating black people from white people which I just read a plethora or plethora of statistics That all demonstrate that this still has negative effects on black people today. No, that's not what's what's that's not what's causing them to have Uh to be suffering to this day A um a fortune is one and lost and one and lost In a single lifetime. They can turn they can turn themselves around So why is that we're seeing poverty go down through generation to generation? Do you think that there's any kind of issue here with poverty and leading to generational disadvantages? No, I don't buy that at all. So yeah, I mean, yes, there are studies that indicate this I mean, you're you're making a claim that this is from that their issues are from the the housing discrimination Which is totally false. You look at how they live that issues are See why they're resentment against white people. Okay, you're appealing to some Untangible feeling that you're just applying all blacks have Meanwhile, I have most literal statistics and studies Indicating that because of previous historical racist policies black people are now Disproportionately in the situations that they're in today How do you get all of through to you?  Okay, so they're going to brainwashed in rate. Hold on.  Yes Okay, and they are angry and so I'm doing rain wash Okay, cool. So you're making the it's all on black people They're dumb because they should figure out how this is the the disadvantages and just pull themselves up by it So I need to ask why is it that poverty is trickling down through generations?  For sure. There are there are outside things that make things that make life tougher. You are right They they they vote very foolishly for uh, for people who do not care about them and who bring in Illegals and immigrants who take the jobs and then they're they're subsidized and paid Unproven thing you're really minded. No, don't don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt me. It's just you're being very womanly. I'm sorry. Okay If you're if you're not familiar Um Immigration has been quite out of control and it's been a frustration for both whites and blacks for many decades now And the people most at risk Most vulnerable to job losses and all of that stuff Are the are the people at the bottom the blacks And they're the ones suffering the most and the argument you're making illegals They're suffering from the statistics that indicate that people at the bottom of the uh, earning Statistics or whatever suffer only marginally from immigration. So this is more This is more or less a non-issue That again is you're obfuscating from the actual question at hand here, which is Black people should take responsibility just as we all should take responsibility and do as best we can to better ourselves But there are barriers in the way Of black people trying to better themselves that do not exist for white people The barrier is their own anger No, you cannot say it's all just on their attitude because black people quote unquote are too big of a statistic For you to just apply a attitude across the entire board what you're doing When you have as the anti-white crt people, okay, let's say hold on It's just as bad as the anti-white crt people that say, yeah, you know all white people They're just they just really hate black people if you get them alone, you know, then uh, you know, you'll see that they really hate black people Okay, let me make the same argument right now No, I'm not because there are there are many blacks who want to be responsible But they suffer because of the the good suffer with the bad They have enough the enough bad black attitude that people don't necessarily want to take the risk I grant you that how is the bad black attitude contribute to the disproportionate rate of poverty Because they have they lose out on on uh on some opportunities Because people don't trust black people as much as white people because whites have established a reputation Of being kind polite Responsible showing up on time not trying to cry racism or sue you if you have to discipline them or fire them You were talking about anti-white and so and so yes, it does it does the goods do have to suffer from the uh with the bad Unfortunately, but if they have an understanding about that rather than Blaming the whites for something that the blacks have the other blacks have done Then uh, then they can advance in life And people will people will reward that so you realize that in areas like communities or neighborhoods that are more poor Part of the problem there is that because they were not insured for so long It left those communities out of proper investment and development which lowers the uh availability of opportunities in those neighborhoods So this is all a result a downstream result of systemic racism These are all policies that are have resulted in negative outcomes for black people You keep saying like oh, they just they have this bad attitude, you know, or they should just do better You know, but if they try and quote-unquote do better. There are barriers there again. What barriers? I just told you there's the issue with the names, which I know you're going to say Oh, well, this is just resentment or whatnot. There's the issues with when you live in an area that's already poor You have higher rates of crime right since you weren't insured for so long The type of businesses and opportunity Is not available to you in those areas the same way that it is in better communities that were previously insured And who's keeping those communities messed up? They themselves Do you not realize that when you put poverty together you then have Higher rates of crime as well, but poverty does not cause the crime We can't prove causation for partially anything. Okay, so when you have No, no, no, this is like a known sociological fact Okay, that when you have higher rates of poverty it contributes to more crime Which then contributes to more poverty and it becomes a vicious cycle So again, you're one you that this would have to be based on the assumption essentially that black people were all just committing crimes Which is not true, but there's higher rates of crime in poor areas But the reason those areas are poor is because of previous government policies like redlining No, I don't buy that man And because they just don't buy it you're just are you saying that are you saying that poor people are more immoral? That's why they're committing crime No, I'm saying that when you're poor you're more likely to commit crime because you're in a place of desperation. Yes No, man, that's not how it works, buddy. Okay. Well, I guess Yeah, these people are these people are now. No, you're making assertions. No, I got actual statistics to back me up And you're being Don't tell you causation.  Um, I've had a couple run ins with whites with an attitude. That's not what I say that all white people have an attitude That's not what I asked you.  No, wow very sheltered. Where do you live? No, I'm not sheltered. What it is. I don't need to hold on I don't need to have personal experiences to form my opinion because that's what the rational people do Where do you live? So I'm not going to answer where I live. Hey, this is irrelevant to the what state what state? I live in Maryland. Okay. That's I did. I saw I wanted to know Um, how old are you? So hold on before we get down the line of personal Interrogations or whatever We need to be able to focus on the actual data at hand and I know you don't want to and that's fine No data is not what it's about So There is it's not just data Do you acknowledge yes or no that there was at one point a policy called redlining? This is a yes or no question Yes, okay Do you also acknowledge that certain policies can have negative downstream? effects Yes Okay So how is it then that a policy such as redlining you're now arguing does not have downstream negative effects I'm saying that that's not the primary thing you said you said almost entirely the result of redlining That's a I think that's a direct quote a phrase that you actually said is Is what what they are suffering for lack of generational wealth forced? Forced them to be able to build up equity then how down in the south more wealth down in the south They were not forced into urban areas. This may have happened in the north when during redlining. They were During redlining ever too much in the way of urban areas down in the south They many of them were rural and maybe that's why they're doing better in the south because they didn't get Washed into this degeneracy that you found in the city you keep saying brainwashed this brainwashed that but at the end of the day We have documented evidence into what day hold on. We have documented evidence That a policy called redlining existed. We also have documented studies and sociological knowledge Which indicates that when people are poor They're more likely to either engage in crime or be victimized by crime as well So this is all a downstream effect of previous racist policies, which is by its definition A system that is disproportionately negatively affecting black people and here's the other thing that I have a problem with Hold on. Here's something that I have a problem with if we were to acknowledge that these policies are contributing to negative outcomes for black people Then we can go about fixing this you just saying but blacks all have a bad attitude bruh What are we supposed to do from that? Where do we go from that? Do we just make do we just tell black people to just stop having an attitude? This doesn't make sense. We can fix policies. We can't just tell people to have a better attitude and expensive You can tell people but you can't expect any uh significant change to come from it Well, if you don't shut up the whites who are telling them Then maybe a change might come because you're bringing some light because you bring some light of truth into it Right right now. You're blaming That it's truth Right now. You're blaming black people for I mean you're blaming the red lining or whatever for everything or for the almost entirely the result, right? but you're Interestingly, you're leaving out the notion of morality And family and you saying oh the other family was broken up by racism. It was racism that broke them up No, no, not racism. They were irresponsibly racist policies Yeah, same thing contributed to disproportionate rates of single mothers You can say contributed what what contributes more your own moral decisions or immoral decisions Or the outside influences of bribes from the government How does somebody how does someone's attitude influence whether or not their husband or their boyfriend or the man of the house Whatever is locked up and sent to prison for a minor drug offense. That's not that's that's very dishonest statement Or it's ignorant To pretend that the the incarceration is why They have single mothers because that's not reality, but it's definitely a huge contributor to it It's not that big of a contributor, buddy. No, it is.  You talked about the any sense You're you're not making any sense right now. You're being so female minded right now That's fun um you claim that uh blacks and whites supposedly use the the um marijuana marijuana they're getting they're more likely to be arrested for marijuana usage I think it's possession really more likely what they're arrested for But they they use it differently whites do it in in uh behind closed doors or off in the in the boonies and blacks do it on the streets and And are more shameless about it and like you said they have higher violent crime rates So they do have more police attention and they have an attitude grant you that which I don't believe that that's true Because I'd have to see a study to prove it but even if I want to grant Even if I were to grant you that wait wait even if I were to grant you that then still that higher crime rate Is that their higher likelihood of police in that area is a result of systemic racism You're treating black people as if yes, you are yes, they you're treating black people as if they live in a vacuum that they're just all You're essentially uh implying that black people are not a product of their environment Just like we all are a product of our environment If there are higher crime rates in your neighborhood that there's a reason for that Why are there higher crime rates? Usually it's attributable to higher rates of poverty. Okay. Why are there higher rates of poverty? We have to go down the line here No, pa again poverty does not cause crime You can say it all you want. Maybe it's maybe you're an atheist. Are you an atheist? Is this why you believe that the poverty is causing the crime?  You're not addressing the root issue and the root issue is the lack of morals No, because you're not addressing the root issue. You can't just say lack of morals lull Yeah, we need to be able to work with what actually is no, no We need to be able to work and make tangible change again You just saying Isn't going to do anything Whereas opposed to if we address these policies and the way that they have disproportionately screwed over black people Then we can go to make actual real change You're not making any sense. You're not following through here, my dude If we want to go this route, let's say fine that black people have low morals and and they all have bad attitudes Then why is it that black people are given then why is it that black people are sentenced to death more often than white people? Is it just because they had a bad attitude in the courtroom? Uh, they have worse lawyers in in many cases like like you said, they have a lack of morals So they don't they don't work for themselves. They don't Build up that money so that they can pay a decent lawyer if they do happen to Build up the money because of the poverty So you're you're because they're immoral argument You're falling into the systemic racism It's a moral poverty. It's not a lack of money that they're suffering from and everybody knows it You're okay. You don't pay a lawyer with moral well when you have morals you work when you work You make money when you have morals. You don't need to when you have a morality You you can save your money. You have better sense God gives good sense to his people and so these people are godless They they have this imaginary thing that oh We are so christian are also godless I can cite another study for you a 2000 study of federal cases found that federal prosecutors were about 50% more likely To offer a plea bargain to white murder suspects than black suspects that allowed them to avoid the death penalty So even if we're so there are all kinds of biases here That affect the higher rate of black people being given the death sentence compared to white people who commit the same kind of crime No, they're not committing the same kind of crime You can say oh it was murder and this was murder But there are a whole lot of things that went into Their lives and it went into their crimes that they committed there You can say plea deals all you want, but there's a whole lot of times where blacks commit crimes that they're never caught for I mean, they're they're getting away with they get away with murder Blacks get away with murder more than anybody. What does that have to do with being given the death sentence? They're just assuming that the black person probably did a crime earlier. So they give them a look into the specifics I guarantee you look into the specifics and it'll be much more reasonable than you're pretending Okay, sure. So here's a specific for you. This isn't about the death sentence But it's about the fact that black people get way higher. Uh, they get longer times in prison us sentencing commission 2017 report Uh, black male offenders continue to receive longer sentence than similarly situated white male offenders Black male offenders receive sentences on average 19.1 longer Violence in an offender's criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentences Black male offenders receive sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated white male offenders Violence in an offender's criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed to any extent Beyond its contribution to the offender's criminal history score determined under the sentencing guidelines So we those are not specifics. Those are statistics. You're not giving me statistics. Don't tell you the whole story No, your specific is they just have a bad attitude brah My specific is hey, here's a us sentencing commission report Which clearly indicates that even when you control for the violent crime and the other variables that you're talking about They still are given longer prison sentences. So you need to tell me So those aren't specifics. You're talking about broad statistics that don't tell the specific story of an individual case I don't have to tell you why is it because of their bad attitude. Why do I have to tell you why? Because you're asserting right now assuming that it's racism and i'm saying No, i'm not assuming they're given a racism.   They haven't committed the same crime. That's the reality So How do you know that? Because every crime is its own crime. They did not commit the same crime as there are sentencing averages And sentencing guidelines based on comparable crimes and the statistics that I just cited to you Were compared to white people who were similarly situated and who account or who committed the same crime So then why don't you go into the individual stories?  You have a poorer lawyer You have um, you don't show up to court You uh have a bad attitude With the uh with your own lawyer or with the judge all kinds of issues come up So you think that the black person didn't show up for court and that's why they were on average given sentences 20.7% Longer than white people who committed the same same crime. Yeah, quite It's quite reason it's a quite a reasonable speculation because you're not giving me any specific story You're just telling me about broad statistics, which tells me nothing You think you need a story is really disappointing dude.  You're literally saying I'm not going to believe this until Do you really believe in this female minded thing? I'm so glad that this is spreading No, I don't I think that the fact that you accuse like other people being female minded when you have the the Have I called email mind is really quite hilarious. Have I mentioned? So I've mentioned female minded once in this in this thing. You realize that it like five times Yeah, because it's because you're demonstrating it right now But you realize again that this is a result of systemic inequality and you keep trying to say bad attitudes this bad attitudes that But you're not telling me what actually accounts for this massive gap when it comes to black people being given longer sentences I listen. I'm literally saying unless hold on You're literally saying that unless you tell me a bedtime story Then I'm not going to believe the us sentencing commission report Oh us sentencing commission report. Let me appeal to this authority. Give me a break We all know that statistics statisticians Are liberals and liberals lie and they and they cherry pick things and and honestly who cares? What do you care about this?  You're coping right now because Yes, it is because the truth of the matter is is that there is a Mountain of evidence in front of you right now. There's a Mount Everest of data Indicating systemic racism and you're just saying no, uh, it's just all bad That's what you're saying. No because you you have not once acknowledged the lack of responsibility that For uh, for their actions Not once when I said You said it's the government's fault that they're committing Let me respond to what you said because you made it you made this claim that I didn't explain Why it might be a big difference in sentencing and death penalties and stuff Do you admit that a good lawyer versus a bad lawyer makes a big difference in the sentencing? Do you it? I will but if you only can admit then that a good lawyer or a bad lawyer is oftentimes Hinge it upon your money the money that you're right pay for a good lawyer and whose fault is that? We're back to the same thing Which is if black people are unable to pay for a better lawyer This falls back again on the poverty rates and the higher rates of poverty amongst this area in black communities And I say it's a result of systemic racism. No, man. That's the pretense Because it's not physical poverty that makes them it's not physical poverty that's pushed on them by the whites It's their own lack.  Give me a break And and it also causes them to be more more criminal Moral poverty leads to physical poverty in many cases Or else they you screw over other people which they do a lot So it also leads to crime poverty thing I'm gonna I'm not gonna let you back out of this one part because it's a clear indication that you're just factually wrong And you're now like squirming and coping desperately So if black people are unable to pay for a better lawyer That falls back again on poverty rates And that's their fault to say well black people should have just worked harder and made more money When we've already acknowledged that due to previous historic racist policies There is less opportunity in those areas And it's harder for black people to accumulate the same level of wealth Both current and generational wealth than it is for white people. This is something that you cannot deny Cry me a river because you have not once acknowledged their lack of responsibility, which is a much bigger It has a it's a much bigger factor in their so-called poverty So if not once have you acknowledged their lack of responsibility, so let's say that they have a uh lack of responsibility Okay, let's say what should they do? Let's say What should they do right now responsible? What should they do to become more responsible? stop blaming whites and forgive their mothers and uh get a job and um, so how do they get a job? Apply to apply don't don't be too proud work with the do you think that it's more challenging to get a job In a location in which there's far less opportunity Yep, it is but there are opportunities everywhere So you're now acknowledging that there are less opportunities for black people But there are opportunities and it doesn't matter if there are opportunities again It doesn't matter. No. No. No.  That's what i'm sticking to this whole time. Okay, so if you're able to acknowledge then that there is less opportunity Afforded to black people, but still not me. It doesn't matter. It's that there is less opportunity Which then only follows through as to okay? Why is there less opportunity in those areas and it's because Since businesses were not able to be insured It basically held those communities in a stagnation and they were unable to accumulate wealth They were unable to or businesses were unable to invest in those areas And it prevented the communities from developing the same way that many other communities did So if that's the case You're literally acknowledging systemic racism's play at limiting the opportunities for black people No, man Because the crime is what's causing the lack of ability for these businesses to stay in business in these Areas and the crime is there is the the fault of the criminals and the mothers who are raising the criminals And the mothers are out of control because they're not in they don't have fathers The fathers are not there and so it's a it's a vicious circle that you don't want to acknowledge No, you don't you want to treat them like they're that they're purely victims of their circumstances No, not at all. I'm not saying it is poorly. No, no, no I'm not saying they're purely victims of their circumstance Five different times also that you should make an effort to take responsibility and do as best you can for your life Regardless of your situation then take away the excuse of racism. No, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth It is an empirically demonstrated fact. No, I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth There you are very easy No, you're able to say hey, I should take responsibility and do as best as I can in the situation While also acknowledging that the circumstances you are in Is a result of previous historical racist policies. No, man, that's pathetic You don't give them an out. I'm gonna be minded again.  Oh, I know it's tough for you, baby No, you gotta try you're treating them like their mother You're saying you just gotta just do better man. Just have some morals, you know, go out and get a job I don't talk about that You're telling them that they need to go out and pursue a job so that they can afford a better lawyer While you're talking out of each no, if you get a job You're probably not gonna No, but you're all no because I need to finish my sentence here Go ahead So you're actually the one talking out of the both sides of your mouth here because You are saying they need to go out and just get a job and do better and take responsibility While simultaneously you are acknowledging that there is not as much opportunity afforded to black people If anything, they have more honestly affects them on a statistical rate Which again plays right into what you said, which is well, maybe they couldn't afford as good of a lawyer Okay, so um In all honesty They have more opportunities. They have too many opportunities to for um, they're getting in they're getting this affirmative action thing They're getting led into schools. It's probably breathing even more resentment because They are given stuff like up the yin yang and it's only making them more spoiled and more More bad attitude more out of control So giving them stuff is made us giving them stuff Well, it's the wrong kind of at it. It's the wrong kind of opportunity because it's not deserved opportunity It's it's special treatment and some of them could take advantage of that special treatment and make something of themselves justice clearance thomas did Uh, ben carson did alan west jesse peterson did you're backtracking what you just said a minute ago I can acknowledge that I backtracked there. Oh, they don't have as much opportunity They have they've been given too much opportunity for example opportunity to buy homes with that They couldn't afford so and that was a tracking what you said before Yes, i'm backtracking because there's because there's more than one thing going on. Let's let's be serious Yeah, there's on one hand. They're in poor. They're in a crime-ridden community So there's less opportunities there They can't build businesses there because it's it's tough to run a business In a low trust society, right? You need high trust society to have a thriving community And they don't they cannot trust one another but they also have opportunities in schools and affirmative action and People treat them like kings and queens and as higher at okay First of all, they don't have as high as many opportunities in schools If we're going to talk about that again, your schools are funded by your tax dollars So if you're living in poverty, you also likely have shittier schools because they're not receiving as many as much funding But you've kind of managed to pivot off of the subject that i'm trying to hold you Okay, go for it, which is You are saying that maybe black people are not paying for as good of a lawyer Right now. I am granting that maybe maybe that's the case But you then have to acknowledge that the reason they don't have as much money is because of a lack of opportunity No, man. It's not a lack of opportunity. It's blindness to the opportunities And when you're when you're angry, you're kind of debilitated. You're depressed You don't feel like working you do you feel like doing anything but work and that happens so frequently And especially when you're you have opportunity to be paid not to work Which is which is very frequently the case Among blacks kind of what's kind what's kind of a opportunity that black people have in their communities that they're just not taking There's all kinds of opportunities to work and all that stuff And before you ask that question, can I just interject real quick? I just want to remind everybody that um to uh Attack the the argument and not the uh, not the person when you're making your super chats and sending them in And I also want to let you guys know that uh, we do only have uh, we already have a super chat for every single minute of The q&a so, uh, if you send any more super chats at this point, there's no guarantee that we'll get to it There's no guarantee that we'll get to all of them now. I'm just letting you guys know Um, so please just be mindful of that if you send any more super chats at this point Mike Young's two dollar super chat is the last guaranteed one that i'm going to try really hard to get to read Get to read so with that go ahead guys because you see no, uh, i'm fine with uh insulting super chats that may insult me I'm fine with super chats and insult me also. I don't really care But my issue here. Hey, because that you seem to really be harping in on this like they need a better attitude They need this they need that which is huge. It's having a good attitude and taking personal responsibility is a good thing You should do that right that alone Is not enough to fix these issues at hand You don't know that as you as you acknowledged in the beginning.  No man to do that right.  What is some opportunity in the black community for black people? Since they can apparently there's so much black So much opportunity. I mean there's well, let me just tell you that there are always opportunities in your life in in blacks lives and and everywhere I acknowledge that um, yeah The the government and all this stuff that the blacks voted for by the way they voted for their own destruction in many cases but um Those those do cause life to be a little tougher or sometimes a lot tougher But the the environment you grow up in is most directly affected by your mother Especially and just your mother or grandmother.  Okay, what's you well? I said there's I said there's a lot of people you're saying there's Opportunity all over the place bra. You're saying there's opportunity all over the place A lot of people especially if you're in an urban Metropolitan area Then you probably don't own a car which also cuts down your ability to pursue this opportunity That's far far away. There's an opportunity because if the opportunity is lacking in the community It has negative effects on you as a member of that community All of this is basically just trying to explain that Even if I were to grant you that yeah, they just don't have as good of a lawyer Which again, there's no evidence for that actually Yeah, there is that that is still I'm not the only person who's ever said that But that is still a result of systemic racism. So you claim but I don't I don't agree with that So and you haven't you haven't proven it at all I have because what I've done is I've explained very concisely and clearly how there were previous policies that then led to negative outcomes That are still affecting black people today But you haven't demonstrated how that's the primary thing affecting them and it's you haven't demonstrated that their attitude is the primary thing I don't I don't have in all honesty. There's no way to demonstrate it unless you delve into every everyone's lives So you have an unfalsifiable claim because you're basing them off mostly on your feelings. No, it's true I have an empirical claim which is based on statistics Decades of research and data and literal historical fact You tell me which one who's who here sounds more female minded, man You're literally saying like I have a feeling, you know, I feel like it's this way I really feel like this is the case man. I can't really prove it. But you know, just trust me bra I have a no people in my butt. That's what you're saying right now people know the truth And I did answer your question. There are clearly don't and I answered it that they don't no, hold on I answered your question that there are opportunities in one's life. There are always opportunities in one's life I'm not going to get specific with it. I'm not I'm not living in there You have to see the opportunities for yourself and god will open your eyes So, um, I hope that god opens your eyes that like policies have, uh, you know negative effects Even if you don't believe in god, you'll have negative effects Uh, unfortunately, you're making me doubt the existence of god even more this conversation with the painful appeal to intuition Uh, the entire time has been very very silly But I would just like to know because I know that the debate's going to be ending soon But I would like to know why or how Having a bad attitude or not taking enough responsibility Affects your likelihood of getting sentenced to death Or your likelihood of getting a longer prison sentence. Is it just that already? I answered that. I'll repeat it Yeah, I answered that and I'm happy to repeat it Because when you have a bad attitude you have less opportunities Because you're cutting off your burning bridges and all kinds of stuff. You uh, don't feel like working You don't you're not making money and then you also commit crimes in the first place Which they disproportionately commit crimes like crazy And then you're you're not going to be able to afford afford a good lawyer Or you're not going to have a good sense the good sense to behave properly in court So all kinds of things factor into that and it's quite reasonable example then go ahead So I answered it clearly, right? I answered it. Yes, you've answered it But in a very unfalsifiable type of way I know, but it's there was a study done in 2010 also where they took mock jurors Okay, so this has nothing to do with actual lawyers or attorneys or anything like that. Okay They took mock jurors And they were all given the same evidence From a fictional robbery case Okay, and keep in mind that these mock jurors included white people and black people because again I'm talking about systems not people being racist, but they were all given the same evidence from a fictional robbery case But then showed alternative security camera footage Depicting either a light skinned or dark skinned suspect jurors were more likely to evaluate ambiguous race neutral evidence against the dark skinned suspect As incriminating and more likely to find the dark skinned suspect guilty Do you think that that's any indicator that some people might have a Bias that is contributing to the system and the negative results affecting black people today That that could be and I'll tell you why that is I'll tell you why they might have that bias because they've had experiences and they've seen it The blacks commit more of the more of the robberies So you're per capita. You're contradicting yourself. No, I'm not. Yes, you are you started out by making or not making fun But you started out of mentioning very heavily about black people have resentment towards white people Right and now you're saying well white people just have their own experiences and that's why they're kind of racist towards black people It's not racist though. You're trying to justify one while harping on the other But i'm not justifying it. I'm saying that that um That people take it's it's considered. It's kind of like a risk assessment or and people do uh They get traumatized by uh by their experiences Maybe black people are traumatized by cops or their experiences. Uh cops are traumatized by blacks. Believe me But everything you're saying could be equally applied to the black people I know that's why it's not name was just their their resentment and their bad attitude, right? And so that's this is why you're not talking about systemic racism. You're talking about this personal Uh, right personal bias racism, right? This is this is why it's not racism at its root. It's a judgment People judge things rightly or wrongly Based on what they've been told or what they've seen themselves And that's not racism and black that's why blacks are the most guilty of this thing because they're told they can't be racist And so it only it only leads them into more more self-destruction So let let me back. Let me try to understand this. Yeah, first of all as I said up in my opening Is that systems are made up of people. So I know but we weren't talking about systematic We're talking about systemic. I know but what i'm saying is that systems like the jurors or whatever are still made up of people But it doesn't mean that they're all malicious racist It just means that there are subconscious biases that can negatively affect the outcomes in this system as well So when you're telling me they have a bad attitude And then you're saying well, it's because the reason the mock jurors were more likely to Evaluate ambiguous race neutral evidence against the dark skin suspect as incriminating You're saying that's just because they all had a bad experience with black people We all we all know that blacks commit more of this this type of crime So you break but but that doesn't prove that in this case that doesn't make it racist That doesn't prove that in this case the black person was actually guilty, right? You're right. I get it And so that's why that's why it follows that blacks are both more criminal But they're also more likely to be framed for things or falsely convicted. I I totally get that Who are sorry, they're more blacks are more likely to be both Guilty of these things but also framed and falsely convicted Okay, I'm just trying to understand how you are able to rationalize any of this with It's just on the black people for having a bad attitude Well, in that case, it's not it's not really their fault, but I'm saying it's not racism It's a judgment that they themselves Are more often guilty of than the whites Do you think if somebody makes a judgment based on somebody's skin color? That is not grounded in anything other than their skin color that that could not is but could be racist Um If that were to happen that that could be possible But nobody judges anybody just based purely on their skin color because like I told you It's based on what they've seen happen with that so-called skin color Okay, so it's based on it's based on a judgment So are you saying that if black people are quote-unquote traumatizing uh cops Do you think that any of that is because maybe the black people had a negative experience with cops?  I'm wondering if you think that this or their opinion of cops Has anything to do with their experience with cops now what they saw on twitter their actual experience with cops Yeah, because your your mind is very powerful in your perception of what you went through And blacks have a darkened angry mind and they're not able to see clearly. Are you trolling right now?   It's not racist. They're just It's a misjudgment. They're just basing their quote-unquote misjudgment on their own experiences So you're making an argument to more or less justify the jurors decision I'm not justifying it So really i'm explaining the decision. No, no, I wouldn't I would why would I justify a false conviction? Because you're saying that well it's based on their own experience and everybody knows black people commit more crime Right, but that wouldn't make that wouldn't cause me to justify some a black getting falsely convicted You're making assumptions about what I what i'm saying So let me explain let me give you a statistic.  Could that be a result of their negative experience with cops? Right, yes It could be but it's also Their negative behavior and attitude toward cops that causes them to have these negative experiences Because blacks in san francisco. Here's a statistic for you I think it was it was found that blacks are eight to nine times more likely to resist arrest In san francisco than non blacks up there Which would lead to which would lead to more of that police brutality stuff that you imagine to be Do you want to just go down the same path? Do you think that maybe if you're living your life in a community that seems to be more adversarial with cops that like you said You might have a worse Assumption of cops and be more likely to make ignorant and bad decisions when being arrested Right. Yep. So it's time for responsibility. Not it's time for black reform not police reform But you never hear about black reform because we want to pretend that blacks are the victims. Give me a break No, I don't want to solely pretend that blacks are the victims But I need you and people listening to be able to acknowledge the systemic inequalities here that are affecting this It may have a minor effect. It may have a minor effect. I grant you that Okay, so there have literally been studies that have controlled for the lawyer situation as well And they found that solely on skin color. There is a massive gap between the demographic factors Nice when it comes to sentencing. Okay Doesn't it doesn't tell me the whole story though It doesn't need to what it tells you is the crucial details that you need to know to assess whether or not this is systemic racism or not Is the person black? Why are you why do you need this racism thing to exist? I don't need it to exist. I literally act like you need it to exist as I can Which is if there is a black person who gets a longer sentence Then or excuse me longer sentence than a white person who committed the same crime They did not have the same crime. We've been over there. Why is that occurring? It depends on where they are because they're just say it's the lawyer They control these variables. All right Let's let's say they're in a community that's had a lot of problems with gang violence or some type of Some type of crime that's and they need to crack down extra hard on that crime Whereas in a white community, it's kind of rare to have this thing and so we they don't have the The punishments in place for for these things these things are happening all the time in the community black people Get longer sentences. They say we need to stop this crime. We need to yeah, they there's all kinds of different things going on You're describing a system right now that is disproportionately negatively affecting black people right and it's their own fault So you're describing me systemic racism. No, it's not two minutes less guys It's what you would call racism because you're blind and you don't want to get to the root of the issue You want to just look at the surface of the issue and say oh because it's affecting the blacks more disproportionate therefore It's racism. I'm trying to get to the root of the issue No, what there there is is that there's biases that exist here That when you control for every other factor besides the person's skin color That plays a role in the negative effects that they are experiencing in regards to our criminal justice system And now you're controlling for every other factor. Maybe it's because they have more crime You know, maybe they're trying to make an example out of them or something which is ultimately still systemic racism No, it's not no man. There's there's a there's uh, it's not a theory But there's a way of argumentation or a way of reasoning Okay, I know people really over here with the manly minds really like the logic and the reasoning Which says that if you're presented with two options It makes more sense to go with the option that is more uh, believable and is more empirically grounded So for me and for people listening who aren't already on your side or whatnot. I think that everybody can agree What's more likely? What's an easier thing to believe that there were previous policies that still have results today Just like there were previous policies in america that still have results today for everybody There were previous policies That still have results today that are resulting in disproportionate effects negative effects for black people like the poverty gap for example or Actually that doesn't really have much effect and it's just that a bunch of black people have bad attitudes And I can't really prove it, but you know, it's just if you just look around and talk to you can't prove it You'll just know it bra No, I'm comparing you don't know that they don't you don't know this will be your last word Hey, this will be your last word before we go to the q&a. Okay. I'm comparing the two options Yeah, comparing the two options means you look at you look at because your reality is you did not Control for every other factor besides the skin color And so what you're saying is is not even logical No, we we've controlled for every relevant factor And it's only the skin color that differs and that plays a crucial role in the decision making of a jury Or a judge and the length of the prison sentence that they receive It's ridiculous Go ahead and just take a very nice email minding response so we can go to q&a All right, you want to say the last word real quick so we can go to q&a? Okay, he opened how long how long do I have just just take a minute or two real quick just say A closing so we can go to q&a. All right. Well, well, thank you very much hunter. This has been fun It blew by and thank you cause and thank you chatters I Gleefully anticipate your super chats. They're always fun, but the pretense is that the that these so-called racist policies and the racist judges and racist juries Are cracking down extra heavy on the blacks and not on the whites, but it's not reality It's it's leaving out Big holes in the reality of the situation They leave out the sense of responsibility that blacks so often are lacking and we've seen Case after case after case of it anecdote after anecdote and you could even pull up statistics if You were dr. John Arlott junior Or vince and james or somebody who is really into statistics and stuff like that honorable men But the hatred for towards whites. I say that that's not even racism Because the root is not the root is not the the skin color or the judgment of based on skin color It's because this diversity thing Breeds resentment and with communism, which is a divide and conquer type of atheistic mentality they want to use the natural fissures in society Where you see some families already naturally have a enmity toward one another people don't get along with another with each other When you have the extra thing difference of the outside the outside races Then you think oh, it's because i'm black or oh, it's because i'm white It feeds it feeds your mind and it feeds this division So diversity I say is a weakness and not a strength but um People can overcome it if they if they have love and and rather rather than hate overcome the anger And look at yourself. Don't be so quick to judge others All right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Could I have a closing statement tell? Um Yeah, give it to him. I'll have to give him the last word at the end of it. Go ahead Oh, he needs to get the last word again. I thought that we're doing closing statements Um, I just was trying to give him the last word because you had the opening he can go ahead Yeah, go ahead. Okay. I'll just give I'll be very quick I'll be quick and brief and I can stay extra time to make sure we get through the super chats But uh at the end of the day, um, I think that hake Is trying to create a dichotomy here that does not need to exist He is basically saying well, if we're going to acknowledge systemic racism That means that we have to forget about personal responsibility, which is simply not true You can have personal responsibility while simultaneously being victimized by a system that is disproportionately Uh delivering negative results to you on the basis of your skin color These two things can exist uh side by side In fact, I think the acknowledgement of systemic racism while simultaneously having personal responsibility is the most logical thing That you should believe at the end of the day, but as I said a million times throughout the debate Policies have effects. I'm pretty sure everybody listening who likes, uh, hake's content would say yeah The immigration act of 1965 had a lot of negative downstream effects, bro So we're able to acknowledge all the time that policies can have negative effects downstream negative effects and when we're talking about things like redlining There is a reason why to this day We still see massive gaps when it comes to wealth generational wealth upward mobility and opportunity With black people and in black communities We cannot simply blame all of this and say that generations and generations of black people just didn't have enough Uh responsibility and all had bad attitudes when there's obviously something much larger at play here I would like to talk about the root of the issue I'm sorry that this conversation didn't really get as far as I would have liked it to but Either way, that's my closing statement. Thank you Thank you hunter. We'll talk again, man I'm like I'm I'm enjoying it. Hey, are you good with that? Yeah, I'm good with that. All right. Thank you so much All right, so we will go ahead and kick it into the q&a I will start the clock as soon as I read this first question. This is the first question from, uh 00 22 for two dollars He wants me to tell hunter that the r word is an anti-white slur Indeed We're talking about racist Oh racist. Yeah apparently All right, thanks the next the next super chat is from rational right for 199 Hake with the good hair. Keep it up. Thank you, man. Appreciate it Shout out to the chat And another 199 from rational right. He says most blacks are angry. That's the real issue Yeah, to which I would like to know, okay How do you know this and are you able to demonstrate this with anything other than your feelings and your own intuition? To me, this sounds just like the cringy crt. Libcox who say well, just look around, you know angry white men They're just a big problem angry white men And to which I would say that too is cringe When you look at the how 96% voted for barack obama twice just because he's black You don't think that's rooted in some type of weird racial resentment Uh, no, why would that be rated rooted in race racial? Why would why would any race vote 96 twice for one? Black candidate give me a break didn't trump get the largest vote amongst white people He did but not 96. I wish he got 96 of what the white vote We would we would have overcome any shenanigans. That would have been awesome. All right Nice double o 22 for ten dollars. He says it's not the racism.  She says hunters arguments are just anti white slurs Can he make a point without racial slurs? Uh, yeah, so this again is a massive cope where instead of confronting the fact that there are uh, There's decades of data which all indicates the realism and the results of systemic racism Instead, uh, you want to basically curl up and get triggered and hide in your safe space like a little snowflake And say that actually you just don't like white people boo-hoo. Wow. Wow So you sound very womanly minded But you don't love blacks either because you're giving them an out. You're giving them an excuse an excuse No, I'm not you're feeding them blame and victim putting that on me Even though I literally said the opposite throughout the entire conversation. Thank you for demonstrating that you either Weren't listening or just already forgot.  All right All right, moving on from double o 22 again for five dollars He says the term Karen is an anti white slur hunter knows its western names which are discouraged and white erased Karen, there's no information or anything indicating that people named Karen face disproportionate Or or negative results when applying for jobs But you know what I will say is that systemic racism is not the only thing that exists There also is something like systemic sexism where men Are disproportionately given longer prison sentences for the same crime committed by women So when women commit crimes the same crimes that men then go on to commit men almost always get Longer prison sentences. So we can talk about other systems that Deliver disproportionate negative results for other people as well. It's not just systemic racism though There can be systemic sexism. That's true, but sexism doesn't exist. It's not that's not the issue man You're looking at this surface Gotcha nice From double o 22 for two dollars hunter is anti white or is an anti white So once again, and this is kind of how I can tell that um, I did decently enough in a debate is when there is absolutely no indication that Or anybody even attempts to try and refute my points instead.  My argument was specifically Against the idea that white people are racist instead. I was talking about systems that Deliver disproportionate negative results regardless of the intent. So again, this is a massive cope What are you if you don't mind my asking hunter? What do you mean? What am I what are you like? What type of white are you or what are you? I don't know. I'm a white guy. That's it. Okay Yeah, because I don't find I don't think like super big, uh, uh Solace in the color of my skin. I'm I'm white.  Yeah All right, let's move on from john Wx 25 for five dollars five dollars hunter You talk with such guilt.  You speak as if poor blacks can do anything on their own so they need hunter um again Is every single rebuttal to what I said and the data that I provided just Hunter you sound sad and you're triggered low like this is this I don't even know what to say to that No, I don't have white guilt by any means. I don't think that white people are responsible for systemic racism I think that systemic racism is largely a result of negative policies that were instituted a long time ago This has nothing to do with white people Gotcha and from lord dibby for 40. I'm sorry lord dibby 42 for five dollars He says hunter. Where did you get your information? It's 2022 not 1950 your arguments don't hold any weight in the world we live in today stand up Uh, very interesting that all of my information came from studies that came from a virtually the very early 2000s Like one or two of them, but most of them were done in 2016 17 18 19 and even into the current year as well, so Your line that's when they that's when they really ramped up this anti white propaganda these academics Very interesting. I know just anything you can the mental gymnastics anything to just avoid reality It's reality because really gymnastics. No, you're because you're pretending that this thing is the major cause for black problems Give me a turns out that there's a lot of empirical evidence For those of us that actually there's a really good quote. I'd like to quote really quickly go for it facts Don't care about your feelings. It's a really excellent quote for his prevent presented. Excuse me by Ben Shapiro And I think that it's very relevant here There are facts there are facts that Determined or facts that uh Support my claim and there are not facts to support what hake says there's plenty of support what hake says There's plenty of facts and reality and truth behind what i'm saying You're you you're using cherry-picked facts to distract from the larger truth, which is what liberals do You're using cherry-picked feelings to try and avoid the fact that facts don't support your ludicrous conclusions Whatever Ben Shapiro Gotcha. All right from Javier or Xavier relish for two dollars.    They're very entertaining And uh, they're cool. They call into my show Roger that and from um Show suguyu I'm sorry if i'm bitching your last name for five dollars penny for the guy Good new sub. Thank you saltis on Amen Konichiwa Roger that and from joe schwarz for 199. He says what's your favorite video game and why? Oh Duke nukem Because I like to play in it in high school There's uh, there's this really new cool game called uh soy latte And uh, basically you have to virtually make as many soy lattes as possible and see how much Soy you can consume within a 30 second uh time frame. It's really cool. I'd recommend it Are you in your 20s or 30s? If you don't mind my asking you don't have to answer but i'm just curious I'm in my 20s. Nice, man All right, and from lord bibby for lord bibby 42 for 20 dollars. He says systemic racism exists Yet we have the lebron james oprah oprah's obamas jz's cardy b's hunter. What in the world? Sure, so even one second. He's not done The us props up blacks and simps to them if they aren't famous they get free handouts So this is actually first of all, no one's getting free handouts But this is actually more indication of systemic racism because if the country is overall supportive of black people But they're still having these disparate disparate negative results from certain systems This is again indications that there are systems at play and not intentional racist People trying to screw over black people. That's the first thing. So that actually proves my point Thank you. Second of all if we're going to talk about famous musicians or whatnot Even during times of jim crow when there was blatant racism and discrimination against black people You would still see people who would rise to the top of the music charts who are playing You know music they were very popular and whatnot being popular or finding success here and there Does not change the fact that there can still be systemic inequalities They were better off in those days. They were moral. They had their families together. They may have been poorer I think america in general was uh less well off But now we have ill gotten gain of women working and women running the show I mean, I'm not at all. I obviously that's wrong and they were not better off then But I think that I they were they had their families. I think that I can I think I can come to like they were less criminal I think that I can come to like a bit of a common ground here for you that Maybe the only benefit of jim crow and segregation then was that they were kept away from people like you Come on. They would love me All right, let's move on from brandon m for five dollars He says I have studies and statistics that show how segregated schools perform better due to racial comfort studies and statistics studies and statistics nice That's very nice. Yeah, thankfully. I wasn't just saying study study study I was actually citing the data that I had and uh the conclusions that it came to and again You can read all of the data that I cited But they come to false conclusions. That's my argument Well, thankfully your intuition and your your feelings never come to uh to wrong conclusions, of course Oh, no, I could I could be wrong Well, you are but okay All right, let's move on and from the herman kane awards for five dollars. He says Um oprah is rich therefore racism doesn't exist Is something you'd have to be nearly comatose to believe in hernest Very womanly thinking She is just because she hates white people so much Especially now that that she's able to backstab them like this Uh, it doesn't make racism a real thing hating whites or hating blacks doesn't make it racist You've never seen the color purple have you No, but I've seen parts of it. Is that the one where okay All right from lord dibby 42 for five dollars says hunter You should focus less on big words and more on substance get outdoors and see reality Uh, thankfully I didn't really use very many big words here I I feel as though I was talking like a pretty common everyday joe Uh, but to the chatter I would recommend that they take their own advice and maybe go touch grass All right, and the insult of the night that you say you went to hear from fuck google Five dollars I don't even want to read this It's obviously against me. Please bring it on hunter is just like a woman childish illogical hake is a logical guy a man's man Uh, really kind of yeah, that's that's a nice compliment for you hake But again, we're seeing somebody else now appealing to their own feelings Because somebody else is basically jerking off their feelings. It's very sad and Ultimately if anybody's again thinking womanly here It is definitely hake and his defenders because hake provided no evidence He didn't really even provide any coherent arguments. He mainly just said it's all on black people to do better lull Which is coming from a place of intuition feelings and ultimately a very womanly minded thing All right, that was not the one uh, it's from the same guy. That's why I thought it was From lord dibby 42 for five dollars says hake if hunter reads it that it must be true. What a mess shake my head Yeah, what a mess And I guess if hake just asserts it based on his uh, his gut feeling then it must be true I'm wearing a t-shirt that says knowledge is poison because Knowledge can puff you up and make you think that you know And you don't really know what you think you know This is a trap that college students and people in general Fall into I mean they become flat earthers and all kinds of insane things Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up and we need a return to responsibility I mean, I would totally understand being against uh, uh knowledge and you know, any kind of modern day intellectual Thought because every single version of that contradicts the claims you're making so Again, when you when you reach a point where you're so like fatally wrong You have no choice, but to just reject all knowledge because all of the knowledge is proving you incorrect So I understand the cope, but either way. Yeah You didn't prove anything All right, and From brandon m for five dollars I believe he's saying if poverty is such an issue. Why do high class black areas still have higher crime than lower class white areas? First of all, I would love to see a statistic on that because I don't believe that's true Second of all, uh, this is demonstrated even with when white italians for example first immigrated to the country They lived in poor areas and they had higher crime rates at the time Poverty is always heavily correlated with crime rates. Yeah, correlation is not causation and italians are I'm not sure if they're white if you want to talk about correlation doesn't equal causation Then I hope you're willing to bite the bullet that if they have a bad if black people have a bad attitude That does not cause the negative circumstances. They're in No, but it causes problems for them undeniably. So you're arguing cause attitude attitude is everything We all know this so decades of research which all looks at different communities showing that when the poverty rate is higher The crime rate goes up. You're saying well, yeah, but that's not causation that that's just correlation But you're saying that you have some kind of intuitive knowledge that It's actually causation from black people having a bad attitude When someone is quote-unquote poor sometimes it tells you something about them when someone is Criminal that tells you something about them. Usually it has to do more with them than their circumstances All right from the google for five dollars another insult for hunter He says you're feminine and cringe and he wants to know where your chin is That's not an insult. That was love. That's kind of not really a very I was definitely Expecting something a little bit more savage than that I'm gonna go ahead and guess that whoever commented that does not have a real picture of themselves and their as their profile picture All right, let's move on correct pause I have no idea. I'm just reading them off the list We have shout out to shy show nav in the chat out of our illustrious moderators who collects the Site the super chats for me and compiles them into a list so I can read them very easily So he is the best you guys should show him some love in the chat if you are there From lord divi 42 for ten dollars He says do blacks getting longer prison sentences have anything to do with prior crimes and fighting the police Or is it just a myth like in the case of georgia florida? I'm not sure what they're talking about the georgia florida thing but the Are they talking about george floyd they're talking about george floyd Yeah, well the the uh the data that I cited from the u.s. Sentencing commission accounted for all of that and found that even when the Variables were virtually the same Black people were still sentenced to longer prison sentences The only difference between those those two groups in the study Was the person's skin color?  I think Maybe I think you just can't help kind of further Elucidate the the the mishaps in the data You have to have a whole conversation on controls in scientific studies. Yeah. All right. Let's move on from uh Fernandez t for ten dollars. He says Uh, one would think if your race got a longer sentence it would make you do less crime It works on some cultures, but not blacks if that's true hunter Uh, that's not at all how this works if you think that just like somebody getting a longer prison sentence means that like you're like Oh, I'm black. I better just Do less crime like no, this this is just not how it works a lot of the times people A lot of the times people think that having heavier punishment for crime can try to reduce the crime And in some instances that might work, but it's certainly not that cut and dry 15 16 17 18. Oh my god. You guys are tripping. All right. We have 18 more questions on this Thank you super generous Where were we? Uh Like I said guys, there's no guarantee that we're gonna get through all these I'm about to get to the point where I warned you and then uh, we'll see what we get Uh, but like I said, if you're still setting in super chats, there's no guarantee that you're gonna get get it read There's not gonna be any kind of uh refund for those Um, where were we? Oh my gosh. Okay From lord divi 42 for five dollars hunter. Do you have to go? Cook dinner. Happy birthday. Hey, thank you, man. Appreciate it. I turned 40 in july. It's my birthday As far as the cooking dinner thing uh, no, I'm good. Thank you though All right from mike young welcome to extra juicy Juicy from lonesome one for ten dollars Hunter, do you think it's possible that you misinterpret the data and pick your studies suitable to your position? There's a reason this debate still exists today. May I suggest? john r lot Yes, john r lot junior phd. There's currently a debate still existing right now and whether or not the earth is flat Or round no matter how much data there is to support something There's always going to be a couple chuckle fox like hake and his followers who end up Just denying the reality because it doesn't fit with their feelings and their preconceived notions Now if I was just using one single study to try and uh Prove my entire point then maybe that criticism would be a little bit more valid Thankfully for me. I have decades of data and various different studies all over the country Which support my claim. This is not just one study. So no unless every single study is uh wrong Then no, it's very I would beg anybody to Who's listening to think do you think that every single study is wrong? Or do you think that maybe it's just you that's wrong? Are you familiar with john r lot junior phd? crime prevention research Uh, i'm not too familiar with him. I think I may have heard the name before Yeah, read him read him some more honestly. I think you will enjoy it even if you disagree with him I I appreciate he's not a flat earther and he's not a chuckle blank Both knowledge is poison. So I think I'll I'll abstain, but thank you. Are you serious come on No, this is me being being sincere with you. Check them out, man All right, let's but you don't have to uh from j s urban adventures for five dollars um, and i'm not gonna read that that you wrote that um from he says Judge katanji brown jackson proves systemic racism has been made real but not the way hunter thinks What is he a different word for her first name? I'm not. Katanji onika Yeah, I'm not too familiar with what that's uh, that's getting at but He's saying that that affirmative. Um, her appointment is an example of systemic racism Oh, okay, so it's so systemic racism does exist then only when it just supports your agenda. That's what I would ask the chatter Gotcha. All right, two dollars from mike young hunter piece of advice get over the white guilt Yeah, and I mean, I don't know like this again This these are just assumptions because people don't have actual arguments to defend their their dipshit opinion So did that chatter? I don't know a piece of advice. Go find your dad That's nice We're gonna also just announce that there is going to be a open mic after show in the discord server on the modern day debate discord server Uh, immediately following the show as well as my uh after show Uh, hake is going to be joining me there as well. Uh, so we will Hopefully see you guys there after the show. So I'm just going to mention that Uh, from five dollars from dm show us how systematic racism Continues to the to the high amounts of Contribute so sorry show us how systematic racism contributes to the high amounts of rape in these types of communities Uh, this falls right back into the crime statistics and how heavily crime is correlated with, uh, uh, Poor outcomes so or poorer communities. Sorry. So when we see higher rates of poverty We're going to see higher rates of violent crime across the board But again, we've already seen also that when you implement more progressive tax rates and open up more, um, Opportunity and make sure that you benefit people's employment. Maybe adding in stronger social safety nets You see the crime rate go down because crime is heavily heavily correlated by poverty But you're what was your answer to brandon m's prior super chat? I happen to remember brian and m's name because this crime thing does not explain away the vast disproportionate Uh murder rates and everything else It actually does because no it doesn't because he made the point Well, hold on. Let me just finish. He made the point that uh black So-called higher income communities have higher crime rates than white lower income communities What was your answer to that? I don't remember what you said. Yeah, that was I would want to see some kind of evidence of that Because again, it sounds like just an assertion Man Considering the fact that there are again studies Which have shown where white people if they're living in areas that are more poor They too commit high rates of crime Right, but get out of your safe space and read some john lot and and uh real vincent james, man Don't be so wilfully. I know. I know. I'm sorry Known academic genius vincent james. You're right. I'll go read up And john r lot jr phd crime research. Oh, I don't want to plug it on modern-day debates show, but anyway All right. Also, if I could just there's one other thing I wanted to add sorry But uh, also a large reason that there are a big reason for the higher crime rates in those areas also is because of gang related violence Uh, and again gangs are unfortunately a natural or not natural But gangs are a pretty common thing to come from Communities that are disproportionately poor don't have don't have as many fathers. Yes. Uh, and also have an adversarial relationship with the police All results of systemic racism Oh gosh Anyway, all right. Thank you so much moving on uh from uh Lene Lene too for 1999 Do you think that we have over focused on how these racial groups have gotten different results Versus how we can change these results.  Is that a question for me? Okay. I think so. Yeah Do you think that we have over focused on how these racial groups have gotten different results Versus how we can change these results and second, would you accept a solution that would disproportionately affect black people? um, I think that there should there can be solutions that um What do you mean disproportionately like disproportionately benefit the black community? I think that we need to be striving towards a more equal playing field to ensure that everybody has um the same ability to live out these this country's founding Values and pursue their own happiness um, a really good thing that I bring up a lot actually is Donald trump had a really good idea and unfortunately it didn't really bear out didn't really work, but um He had he was definitely on the on the right track with these opportunity zones with incentivizing businesses to open up in these poor areas to try and Stimulate the economic growth of those communities and also try and provide more jobs So I think that there are absolutely policies that can be implemented to to benefit these uh these poor black communities And like I said, it didn't really work, but donald trump actually was on on the right path there We have like a lack of truth. It's not a lack of opportunity that blacks are suffering from It's a lack of truth that they're suffering from and like I said that that anger that we most people period Uh suffer from but different people have uh different um symptoms from from that root anger So yeah, uh liberals do have some facts, but they come up with the wrong solutions female minded so wrong All right from an economic or four things. I agree. Hey From a non economic for 499. He says um DC public schools spend 3,115 dollars per student the district is one number one Like failing or something like that I don't know I would think that that's that that issue that district is failing Irregardless, which is not a word Of the amount of money that they're spending. What a shame baltimore has that problem too. There's a guy who's Uh a guy named Giovanni Patterson who's trying to sue the the baltimore schools I think because they're like blowing and wasting the money and not Really serving the kids. It's such a bad situation hunter is right that the schools are failing But it's not because of the poor poverty All right from mike young for five dollars hunter Get over your anger so you can get over fear to tell black people the truth Nice Very nice. Yeah more uh more petty insults that are not based on any kind of actual attempt at Reconstructing my argument which again shows that whoever left that comment is uh is coping. They're very sad apparently And they feel the need to somehow claim that i'm angry which again Why are you so like why are you so uh in tune with other people's supposed emotions seems very womanly?   Yeah, I would not discriminate on the basis of low income areas And again, the fact that you're saying because they're in low-income areas that makes them wicked seems just really backwards to me It's very anti-american Gotcha, there's a Familiar name. I think you might know this person carissa avalon. You know Hey, my wife is here to defend me. Yes. Finally. I'm saved. No, she's she's on my side. You do know her Okay, five dollars carissa says lawyers have nothing to do with sentencing study controlled Study controlled for indictments judge judging based only on skin regardless of experience is still racism But they're not judging based only on skin carissa and and uh, mr avalon as well They're not judging based solely on skin. It's ridiculous. Anyway I like that you just keep asserting things It's an assumption For you to think that that's what it is You're assuming that for some reason somehow mr Knowledge is poison. You're assuming that somehow you're able to determine that the study was flawed But the but the study didn't show that they were judging based solely on skin They in your mind they controlled for all these things, but that's You're uh, you're leaving out a lot controlled for the previous crime Crimes committed right? Yeah, but they're not controlling for the location and all kinds of stuff And then there's all kinds of crimes that are not listed in in those in those things You're you know, you're right. I'm sure if crime was committed that was identical to the crime of a white person The fact that the one guy was in chicago and the other guy was in maryland is definitely going to influence the The length of prison time the person is sentenced to different states and different locales to i'm being sarcastic That's absolutely ridiculous. I mean it's ridiculous to pretend that that's it's based solely on skin color give me a break It's ridiculous to pretend that you can just make assertions based on your feelings And then you're the one feeling us to take them as truth No, people can see that i'm telling the truth. I don't expect people to just believe me just because I said it Uh, you can see that you can either see that i'm telling the truth or you can't see it Not turns out that not every truth It can be discovered via our eyes and if it was then i'm not talking about eyesight. I'm talking about like Uh, you can clearly you can clearly recognize that that's true Okay, so if we were to go about your logic, uh, your logic train Then it would be the more reasonable thing to believe that the earth is flat But we all know that the earth is not flat No, you can see a horizon that proves that the earth is round because otherwise It would be like all You'd see all kinds of other stuff. Duh Well gentlemen, that is the time for our q&a. We do have tons more questions, but uh I understand you have prior engagements. I believe so It's up to you guys if you want to take one more Yeah, why don't we each do one more One more from bobby l brown for 499 So why are the latinos left out of this argument? The prisons hold more latinos than black americans Yeah, ecstasyism latinos are also uh disproportionately affected by a lot of the systemic racism That's why I should be very clear that it's more like brown skinned people who are ultimately negatively affected by a lot of these biases as well It's not just african-american people But yeah, that just once again proves systemic racism. So whoever chatted that I appreciate you. Thank you for supporting my point No, bobby l brown is supporting mine, man Because uh, the reality is these people have disproportionate crimes and disproportionate attitudes And you're leaving you're leaving out, uh Whole whole Aspects of reality with your studies that are cherry picking different things. Yeah, I know There's no such thing as racism, but it's only white people that have good attitudes. I got it It's not what I said, but it's fine Okay, and then uh chloe mclean for five dollars canadian says hunter did not shy away from arguments and did a great job Wow, thanks. So hunter wins We've got a woman super chat Sounded like a woman, uh Chloe does sound like a woman's name um North korea the the nation of north korea itself sent us point seven nine seven nine percent of a pound sterling So that's awesome sweet And then the necro man tech for five dollars says since hake doesn't think racism exists now What's an action? That could be considered racist against black people. There is no such thing as racism ever The reality is the deeper issue that affects everybody That's that's why i'm pointing it out because racism is only primarily used against whites who are the least So-called racist in the country But they're treated as perpetrators when they're more often victims of the interracial Violent crime and all and all the other stuff resentment and aggression and all kinds of stuff Could I just get this on record then so when the kkk would particularly target Black people and lynch them you're saying that was not motivated by racism No, it was because they were an outside community if the kkk actually were the ones lynching I think it was just community men who took it upon themselves to enforce the law because there was A lack of law in those times From an outsider it was especially offensive for an outsider to commit a rape or a robbery and alleged rape or robbery or murder and so they would get in a in a um The men of the town would make an example out of it. It was a um, it was a The the way that they dealt with things it may not have been right, but it was um a community based Uh protecting men looking out for their community I would like to get back to A little bit more of that rather than go to the opposite extreme of just rolling over for this stuff rolling over for Crime to go out of control and pretending like they're victims when they're perpetrators Okay, sure. So just yeah, let the record show that the kkk was apparently not motivated by racism And you'd like to go back to that kind of a time than where we are now.  I don't think that you need to be loving yourself as a I don't think loving yourself as a white man Means like attacking people who are from the outside group No, not attacking just people randomly, but perpetrators You want to look out for you were more than not Falsely accused and then we're killed. I don't know about more than not I don't know how you get killed without do Tell me your statistics on more than not falsely accused. They were killed without due process as well I'm not for that But you said more than not falsely accused show me your statistics on that There have been various different lynchings that have all uh resulted later and shown that or excuse me There have been various different lynchings that were then researched and later shown That this person was not actually even in the vicinity of the woman who accused him of rape And again, there was no due process no trial instead. They just went with it and lynched him and if anything Hey, hey, you should appreciate this. This is a story. Okay. This is a direct story. This is exactly what you've been asking for I totally agree that women do falsely accused even white women Unfortunately at times that's why we shouldn't have gone with the me too lynchings It was not and so yes women who would make these accusations, but right again You just mentioned in case of a woman doing it It was but it wasn't it wasn't that was not good women that made this but it also is just funny that you're you're Essentially arguing for us to de-evolve. So no, it's not pretty. I'm talking about returning to manhood rather than rolling Rather than rolling. Oh, right now. We're right now.  Thankfully that we have an explanation as to why that is and it's not just they all have a bad Attitude because my gut says so All right, well, let's let's go ahead and wrap it up then I just want to remind everybody that we are promoting fair debates like myth informs better discourse conference So no matter what organization they're put on we're going to try to remote them tomorrow in uh, Fort Worth, texas Which is uh, I believe tomorrow saturday april 23rd. No, that's Am I wrong? Yeah, uh, so people check that out. Um, it looks like it's going to be huge I want to go ahead and just thank all the moderators in the chat for helping to elevate the conversation in the discourse I want to thank james for creating this platform for all of us to debate on i want to thank everybody in the chat for setting the super chats and for uh For being great spectators. I also want to thank our debaters. They are the lifeblood of the show Thank you both for being here and having a lively discussion um I just want to say that uh, if you were here and you liked what you heard Please check out our debaters links in the description. Check out our aftershows tonight in the discord and uh on my channel of Like the video if you loved it share it if you want to spread it and subscribe because we have more debates coming your way And thank you everyone again. Have a great night and remember to keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable and have a great night Thank you. Hey, i was really quick. I had a I wanted to ask your permission Can I drop my uh my discord link in the chat because I see quite a lot of people here who uh Don't seem to be fond of me. I'd love for them to join my discord if they ever want to talk to me Do it do it do it. All right. Thank you I'd be totally open to talking with you more uh some time hunter appreciated talking with you today Thank you. Have a good one And again, hey, hake is going to be joining me in my after show We'll be starting in about 10 15 minutes if hake is okay with that. Yeah, i'm cool with that I'll take a little break. Come join me. We're gonna continue this uh lively discussion. All right. Bye. Thank you All right. I'm going off to my safe space to cry. See you later Good night, everyone. Okay