Welcome to Monet Café. I'm artist Susan Jenkins and this is a place where you can relax and learn to paint from the convenience of your own home. This video is particularly for the beginner and while I create this painting that was done on regular drawing paper, I'll also be going over lots of tips on different pastels that you can purchase as a beginner. Here's a photo of the reference image. It's literally the field behind my house and I have come to find the sweetest friend in my little cow Oreo. She's not my cow. She's a cow that's in the field next to our house and I met her just before a tragedy in our lives of our home flooding about three years ago now and little did I know that the Lord was blessing me with this sweet gift that would be my companion and bless my soul during those years. Now she has kind of become an Instagram sensation. I literally get more views when I post Oreo videos than my art. So she's looking now at the portrait that I did of her and oh my goodness, such a sweet friend. So that's the field where Oreo lives. That's the reference image we will be painting. I'd like to go over the supplies I'm using and also embellish a little bit with giving you advice on some beginner supplies. This is just regular drawing paper. I like using drawing paper that's toned. I have a lot that I do on a gray drawing paper. This one's kind of taupe. I'm using combination pastels. These are Prismacolor new pastels. I will be going over those. But right now let me talk a little bit about some of the harder pastels that work well with drawing paper and good pastels for beginners. This is on the Dick Blick website, DickBlick.com. These are Rembrandt pastels. Now what I recommend is the ones that we're just showing are getting the half sticks. You get more bang for your buck by getting the half stick sets than the full stick sets. You get more pastels for your money basically. That previous one was the 30. This one is the 60 I just pointed at. They also have a 90 half stick set. So it's a reasonable and more economical way to get started in pastels. I know the harder pastels don't get the glory that some of the softies do, but those are so expensive. And a lot of times people forget that harder pastels really can give some great results. So this is the 90 piece half stick set of Rembrandt pastels. And by the way, Rembrandt's were the very first set of pastels I ever bought. And you just have to learn a lot to learn techniques and how to get better with them. So don't get frustrated with that. Now here's the other set that I showed kind of at the beginning there. These are Prismacolor new pastels, not any WNU pastels. Again, they have sets. They have a 24 set, a 36 set, a 48 set, and a 96 set. This is me zooming in a little bit on the 96 set. There's just a great assortment of colors in these. And I have gotten results that I've been very pleased with in working with just new pastels on drawing paper. And I do have videos on that. I'll share a bit in a minute. Another great resource for finding soft pastels is dakotapastels.com. I believe that's their website, not dakotapastels.com. And Mount Vision pastels are a great beginner set of pastels. You can't get them in the half stick sets. You get them in the full stick sets. But the great thing is they're a little more reasonable than some of the other soft pastels. And they're large. You get a... And I like the round shape of these pastels. I like a combination of round and squares. So again, they come in sets. I recommend there is a workshop set. I literally went and toured the facility because they're here. The factory's here in Tampa, Florida, where I live and near where I live. And I met the owner, Carl Kelly. He's such a great guy. And I have a video on touring the factory. But this is the Mount Vision 50 workshop set. You get two boxes and the colors are brilliant and gorgeous. And it's another reasonable way. So for 50 pastels, $179 at the time I'm making this video. That's the price. That's really not that bad for 50 nice soft pastels. So these are just the things that I recommend when you're getting started. And also I just went into my YouTube channel here and I collected all of the videos that I've made and put them into one playlist. You see where I'm marking there? You go to the main page, look at the tabs up top. And I made a playlist called Pastels on Paper. I think I've got... You see on the side there? One, two, three, four, five, six. Maybe five or six videos in that that focus a little bit more on using pastels on regular paper.  I know pastel papers can get very expensive. So hopefully these tips will help you get started a little more economically. Okay, now I held up this brush because I was thinking of blending tools. Maybe if I wanted to try to blend on this paper. I ended up not using the brush, but using that other little thing you saw there.  Like you know you dry your cars with. I'll talk about that in a minute. All right, so I'm all set up here. I've just got a little pastel pencil here. You could use a regular drawing pencil if you want with just keep a light touch. And I don't really need to draw much in here. All I'm doing is getting in my horizon line. I have it kind of in an upper third, but not so high up. Just really roughly sketching in trees. I think sometimes when we are beginners, we have a tendency to want to draw too much. And all we need is basic shapes. I also do recommend something about the freedom of trees not being so tight. Draw them a little more sketchy and loose. And I like how an artist recommended to have your mountains or your trees more smiling than frowning. Try not to let them trail off of the paper on the sides. All right, so now I think this is a mount vision I'm using right here that I talked about before. I don't have, I'm not using all of the pastels that I talked about previously because I was in such a rush this day. I really just needed to paint. I think, oh I know what it was. I've been doing a lot of computer work and I just needed to get to the easel. I didn't have time to pick out a bunch of pastels. So that's why I grabbed just this drawing paper. All right, what I'm doing now is I am just using the side of, I think this is a rim brand. And I'm using the side of this pastel just to shape some clouds. I don't want to say draw or sketch. You're making shapes with large strokes of the pastels or broader strokes of the pastel. And so I'm getting the gesture of these clouds and I typically like to accentuate clouds coming towards me. That's why I add a few more and try to get that sense of them moving forward into the sky even though there weren't that many over my head. I believe this is another rim brand pastel and I know there wasn't a lot of this yellow in the clouds but there is kind of a golden glow with, I don't have the other reference photo up here. I'll see if I can find it where you could see it bigger. There was a little yellow hint to those clouds. So I'm going to do a little bit of layering. Now, regular drawing paper gets the bad wrap that you can't layer on regular drawing paper. Well, you can't. Now see, here's where I'm getting the little bit of pink where I'm doing the blending. This is sped up only a little bit here just so the video won't be too long for uploading but it's not so fast you can't see. Now you see what I was going to say is you can blend on drawing paper just not as much as on sanded papers. That's the alternative to drawing papers is sanded surfaces literally like sandpaper but archival which means acid free and it's going to last a long time but this is good drawing paper I'm working on. This will last as long as oil paintings and acrylic paintings because the paper is a good quality and these pastels are professional archival. It's called quality with proper care. I do have on my website whenever anybody buys a painting I include some tips and I have a link or a page on my website, a tab where you can look at how to care for a pastel painting over many, many years. You know, some of the longest lasting paintings from the masters are pastel paintings. They have a quality about them where they preserve their intensity of color better than oils or acrylics. There's less binder in pastels. They are more earthy. They're closer to the original pigment. Maybe that's the best way to put it. I love pastels because of the word I just use earthy. I feel like I'm experiencing part of creation. Oh, I fixed that up. My blinds are making a shadow there or a light there. Okay, now what I'm doing is I'm using the side of one of those new pastels. I'm using it too to create a little bit of stroke work to show where some of those edges of grasses are coming back to. But for the most part, I'm just layering in some value, some darker value. If you've watched many of my videos, especially for beginners, and will advance to any level of pastels, it really is. Value is king, meaning the lightness or the darkness, even more so than color. If you get your value right, you can get really creative with color and go outside the line, I was very... This was something I don't know if I'd heard this years ago, but I was in... I was actually in the dollar store and I was buying foam core board, that black board you see me working on there. It's very expensive in art supply stores, so it's a dollar at the dollar store. And so while I was in there, I saw they had these chamois claws and it struck in my memory. Somebody years ago had mentioned that these could be a good blending tool. Never had used them, I really loved it. It was really soft. It just gave a little bit of blending and you don't want to over blend. I never blend later in a painting. I let the pastels do the blending mostly. But now I'm just... And I think these are washable, so if they get dirty, store it in the washer. Not with a white shirt or anything. But now I'm just using it kind of to blend. And one of the reasons for some blending is when you soften up edges and too much detail, then it causes things to recede. And I really wanted those trees to look like they were further back in the scene. I'm going to add some layering on top of it. But I was going to mention too that I didn't find a lot of success when I started out early working on... I'm just using more chamois work. I'm doing a little bit of work in these clouds here. But when I first started, I used regular paper. I didn't know any better. I was literally just trying to... So many people in our group can relate to... I think that's why the YouTube channel and the Monet Cafe Art Group on Facebook has been successful because so many of you are in the same situations I was in when I first started painting. I had my three boys when they were young. Me time, really? That just doesn't happen. And praise the Lord, they are worth every time, every bit of time I spent with them. But when they get a little bit bigger, you start trying to find some time for yourself I don't know how, but I stumbled across soft pastels and I found them very practical for my life. And so I started on just regular paper. I didn't know better. I bought a really cheap set of pastels. One of those you buy like at Michaels or Joann's. They don't usually have professional quality pastels there. And so I really got quite frustrated. I think I might have stopped my whole pastel journey because of poor quality pastels and not enough information. If I hadn't got online and this is back many years ago when there wasn't that many resources and Bless Her Heart I found one artist on a site that's still around called wetcanvas.com Don't let the name fool you. They have a whole pastel forum in there and I got on there and I was just so hungry for information and Bless Her Heart Deborah Seacour who's still a member of this group here. Oh amazing pastel artist. Such professional gorgeous work and a sister in Christ. She was the sweetest thing that helped me so much in learning what to do. I did everything wrong. So I think that's what's been my passion in creating this channel a few years back. And by the way some of you may have seen I just went over actually I think I have like 230 videos now in here. Some of them are private. You can't see them but I have 200 public, 200 plus public videos that you can watch on learning how to use pastels. It's not just pastels. I go over a whole lot of artistic information with composition and value with color and color theory and the science of color and lots of things like that. So again I think that was my passion for it. You know what I want to share. I'm going to bring you guys along with me on my pastel journey and that's what that's been over these years. So I am just I'm overjoyed at the success of it and also over the Monet Cafe art group on Facebook. I like close to 10,000 members in that group every level. We have contests. It's such an encouraging helpful group. If you have any questions you do it's a private group so you don't have to feel like you're putting your work out there for the whole world to see. It's just the pastel artist in that group which is great. I should probably start talking about the painting now. Now what you were just seeing there was all real-time footage that last part where I was talking right before the shammy cloth and I'm speeding it up again just a bit. Again I have very slow Wi-Fi where I am out in the country and sometimes it's better if I can just give it a little bit of speed to help with the uploading time. Now what I've done is I really loved even though this field, I know it so well like I said it's my backyard, even though this field I know those grasses are very golden. There was something I was seeing we have to or we can learn to interpret color as artists. One of the questions I get from artists is how do you change the color? How do you come up with the color palette when it's not exactly like what's called the local color. Local color just means what is exactly there. I mean if you took a color swatch and matched it but I don't, oh my hair is in the way I don't like to paint that way I mean unless I absolutely love the local color in the same which is sometimes gorgeous in the reference photo but often reference photos either they lie or they're boring what do I mean by the lying Reference photos often a camera will alter things and change things they won't give exactly what the eye sees. Our eyes don't see everything at the same time we focus on one thing or the other and so a photo often will capture everything in focus and often will get the values not correct artistically so I often will alter like those trees in the background there they're almost all the same value but to accentuate the artistic mood and feel I pushed some of those trees back by cooling them off they're not as green and I lightened their value cooling means making them a little bit more towards the blue end the cooler end of the color wheel and I lightened the value they're not as dark in value so that is where you break out your artistic license to be able to do that but I also wanted to interpret the golden grasses with more of a pink mood or feeling to them like a blanket of not really pink it was more peach that was like this glow and I know it was kind of coming from the sky but I I accentuated that enhanced that to give it more of that blanket of a peach feel I don't use the color peach a lot but for some reason some of those tones just felt right for this particular painting now here's another tip with using regular paper and I think this goes for sanded paper as well use a light touch you don't want to just press hard at really any stage of this unless you got to the very end of the painting because you are limited in your layering ability you're going to lose the ability to even get a color to show up if you press too hard you're going to crush the pastels pastels have they're made of this earthen pig earthen material that has little crystals in them and when we over layer over blend over work our painting we get a painting that looks dull and dead and lifeless and I am saying this out of experience because I have done this so many times I am still trying to get a lighter touch to preserve that luminosity and gorgeous brilliance of pastels that's one thing that's so amazing about this medium now what I'm doing here is I'm using I believe this is another Rembrandt and again these are a medium I would say a medium hardness pastel the new pastels in new pastels are harder than the Rembrandts but again they have such great abilities to them again they're not the softies they don't give that really just strong color and richness to them but I have done so many sketches with new pastels and I really love them so what I'm doing is I'm working in if you look at the reference photo I know it's little but sometimes working from small thumbnails is better than working from a big reference photo I see value and shapes better when I shrink something down smaller often I'll just do the thumbnail of something on my phone and sketch from my phone and because I use Photoshop I often when looking at reference photos or doing things I shrink them down really small just to break down that composition and that value so that's a really good thing to do is see if you can work from some thumbnail reference photos of course real life is best but I haven't been able unfortunately to do a lot of what's called plein air painting French word meaning on location I longed to that's one of my goals by the way I've been so thankful and blessed by whoever recommended me to start a Patreon page because now I have 200 Patrons and the little contribution of five dollars a month I mean I still feel like I just can't believe somebody gives me five dollars a month it's so sweet and I know it might sound like a little from an individual level but it adds up and it really helps me to be able to do things as an artist that I wasn't able to do before and one of my goals is to do more on location painting so I and bring you guys along with me you know bring one thing I have thanks to my Patrons and just hard headedness and perseverance I have gotten really good at the filming part I should I'm not great but but I I've gotten streamlined that's a better word and so I'll be really good at taking this on location because I've gotten compact I've had to do that too because of the flooding of my home and literally having to live in four different places since the flooding of my home and we're still not in our final place and my husband wants to on the land that we have where we don't live he wants to build a Monet cafe art studio for me I've never had my own studio always worked out of a room in my house which I still do and so that is another goal so if I can you know my page grows I'll be able to do that but anyway so but again I'm encouraging you beginners because I started at a kitchen table and I literally had to move all of my supplies when I go to cook dinner for my three kids so I hear you guys especially in the Monet cafe art group I get to experience a lot of you guys who some of y'all are working around kids are working in really small spaces and I tell you what the passion of an artist we won't quit when we get focused and dedicated to do something but that's the good thing about a group this channel here that I can share with you and you feel you learn that oh I'm not alone here but also in the art group as well and on our Patreon group and my Patreon group I have a private Facebook group for them so that one is even a little bit I would say more I get more communication with them because I literally can't keep up with everything that's going on in the other group Patreon group I can give you more special attention more critiques on your art if you choose to contest original painting giveaways things like that it's lots of fun I'll provide a link at the end of this video but if anybody's interested it's www.patreon.com slash Susan Jenkins okay so now I've gotten in some of the I wanted to get the darker value this is back to real time I wanted to get in some of the darker values in those grasses dark values tend to come forward so when you have things in the foreground you want the darker values and the brighter more intense colors as things receive they get a little paler and less bold in color when you get to the background what I'm doing here is you don't see individual flowers anymore you see more of a blanket of flowers I'm using the side of this I'm not sure that might even be a Rembrandt too the side of the pastel to just give a blanket of flowers in the background there and after I laid the dark down in the foreground I'm just kind of working in and around them to add some of those values and colors I didn't necessarily think of these as having to be grass like I said I know this grass it's kind of just stiff kind of coarse grass that has little patches here and there but I didn't really want it to look like that so I accentuated the color a little bit changed the color a little bit now I'm using this little bit of a I think it's kind of a lavender pastel this is what I was saying before you can use pastels to blend themselves I find this is my favorite way really other than at the very beginning sometimes using a piece of pipe foam insulation that you can buy at any hardware store or that little chamois cloth and that's really cool but using a pastel to blend so that's an excellent way to kind of soften edges and when you don't want something in the distance that stands out so much alright I'm going to speed it up a little bit more add some music oh there's again a little bit of a cooler color in the background is going to push those trees back even further alright enjoy this rest of this part with music stay tuned though to the end of the video and I'll be popping back in soon now I was getting fairly close to finishing here and I was trying to get the effect of those grasses being deeper than they were in the reference photo and the flowers being more on the tops and the color being more on the tops of them kind of reaching up so this was really a painting that I needed after a long day and this is the final again on regular drawing paper so I hope you learned a lot on this video that focused a little bit more on beginner products and techniques and if you'd like a little more you can become a patron for $5 a month on my Patreon page at that link above there and there's a clickable link here at the end of the video thank you guys so much be blessed and happy painting


Hey everybody, what's going on? I am Greg Sosman joined today by Jim Saunders of Fando. We're talking NFL draft. You ready Jim? I am so ready Greg because hey, we've had so much time to think about this already But also it's nice to have actual kind of I guess sports to think about nothing on the field But also it is a real sports type event So a lot of things combining here to make us pretty excited about this and it's a pretty fun draft class too So I am jazz and ready. How are you? I am excited as well Jim I'm just ready for something outside of empty arena wrestling. Listen, I love empty arena wrestling It's it's sports. It's wrestling. It gets me away for the NFL draft. I mean, it's real man I am super super excited. So let's get into it We're taking a look at some of the props that are available right now over on Fando And the first one you really like is Tristine Orbs going under pick eight and a half a lot of good offense and linemen in this Draft works, maybe the best of them you get in the under here at minus 452 Yeah, I think that there are a couple of reasons for this the first one is that if there are a lot of tackle needy teams picking Before that eighth overall pick because you've got four teams I need a tackle now two of them and the dolphins and the chargers are probably gonna go quarterback So we're gonna take them off the table But that does still leave the Giants and the Cardinals were very likely to consider a tackle We can also see a scenario where the Browns or the Jets trade up to get into the top Seven to trade two seven overall with the Panthers to potentially get ahead of the Cardinals and get the tackle of their choice And those things bode well for Tristan works I also like him individually because the athletic testing numbers for worse were unreal If you look at tackles would have been at the combine since 2010 worse had the fifth best weight adjusted 40 yard dash time And then he tackle in that span and two of the guys went ahead of him are Lane Johnson and Trent Williams both those guys were the fourth overall pick and their respective classes Terran Armstead was the top guy in that metric and he is he wasn't the top end pick But he's been a stud. So this is a good number to look at when it comes to tackles I think that bodes well for Tristan works He seems likely to be either the first or the second linemen off the board and we could see two or three Tackles be taken but then these top eight picks So I like worse individually, but I also like the way the draft sets up for him to go within those first eight picks I think Tristan works is probably the Giants top offense alignment on their board You mentioned them at four if they don't go with a player like Isaiah Simmons I think he makes a lot of sense at that spot And even if they trade down right where are they training down to or the chargers gonna try to jump the Dolphins and the dolphins gonna make sure that nobody jumps them and they to trade up I think worse because a lot of sense here It's not great value at minus 152 is the offensive tackle heavy draft as you mentioned But worse in a good spot to go in the top eight Let's continue on I mentioned the chargers a moment ago We talked about how they could draft the quarterback But what quarterback would they draft and we all assume that to a he's gonna wind up in Miami And the chargers are going to take a quarterback potentially. Who is their quarterback? You're banking your money on Justin Herbert Yeah, I think it's good time to just kind of reset because we've had a lot of smoke coming out over the past couple of Months about which teams, you know They prefer which way they are leaning and I think that that's kind of gotten us distracted from where our baseline assumption was Earlier this winter that was that the dolphins would take to a tongue of I lo whether via trade up or at number five overall And then the chargers would take Justin Herbert And I think we kind of got distracted from that because if one of these teams is gonna move up to number three to take To a tongue of I loa the dolphins have way more ammo than the chargers do think they are more realistic to move up Potentially get to or sit back at five and take to a there that leaves Herbert available for the chargers and That's not a bad scenario for the chargers to be in if they can sit at number six and get the quarterback of their choice They have a good core around their quarterback And that means that they can sit there get their quarterback and still have the additional draft capital They have Available in the rest of the draft the dolphins are a team who were tied to a tongue of I loa as early as last year And even an independent medical report said that he has been cleared I think that this this talk around the dolphins not liking to a is them trying to drive down the price from the lines at number three overall Or potentially lower the incentive of other teams to jump them in order to draft to us So I think that we're just seeing a lot of misdirection here Trying to distract us from what was the previous assumption was that to go to the dolphins Herbert would go to the chargers And I can allow us to get Herbert at a pretty good number here at plus 160 going to Los Angeles I could see the chargers trying to make a play for to a because to a in my eyes at least is clearly the superior prospect But I think given the ammo that the dolphins have and given how long they've been tied into a I think the most likely scenario is One we had earlier this this winter where the chargers stay put at six and take Herbert there I feel like people have forgotten about Justin Herbert through this draft process It's possible because everything's being done virtually We haven't had near the coverage that we're used to but Two is going to be in Miami. I think every smoke screen that revolves around them not drafting to it It's just that as you mentioned you have a smoke screen But for me two has always been the guy from the dolphins when they were supposed to have the number one overall picks And now we're there at five they all do whatever they can with any amount of first-round picks that they have to make sure They get their guy But Justin Herbert a year ago was going to be the top overall quarterback taken So we thought even ahead of Daniel Jones for the Giants potentially ahead of Kyler Murray as well That was Justin Herbert. Now nobody's talking about him. Everyone's talking about Jordan Love instead We'll get to him in a few moments But if you still believe that Justin Herbert is the third best quarterback off the board We know the chargers very much in the market for one not improving the quarterback position after letting Philip Rivers go Herbert you're getting me a good number here to go to the chargers. I believe a plus 160 That's a number you you want to take because it's well worth it We've talked about offensive linemen here Jim and you mentioned the Jets That's your team and you're saying hey, they desperately need an offensive lineman Now they did do some work in free agency bringing in the guy like George font who is not good Which means they need to draft another offensive lineman get more talent into the room And you believe that's the position that they're going to go after here in the first round And you get pretty good value on that as well Yeah, I think the key phrase you said there greg was get more talent in the room They need to get talent around sam darl because it is year three of him on his rookie deal And that is a critical year for quarterbacks and rookie deals because next off season They have to decide whether they want to pick up that fifth year option And it's the first time they can give him an extension So if you need if you want to evaluate sam darnold You got to do it this year and you cannot do that with the offensive line They have around him right now like he said they made a lot of moves in free agency They've added a bunch of offensive linemen But outside of george fans all those guys have been interior offensive linemen right now They're starting tackles are phant and shuma adoga You're not going to enter the year with that being the snare And I think the way the jets have attacked free agency has been a signal to me That they plan to address this position in the draft It also makes sense when you look at the way the draft breaks out because they're going either offensive line Or wide receiver at this first pick I think we can say that pretty definitively You look at the depth of this wide receiver class They can ignore that with this first pick and then address that in the second round with offensive line There is a pretty big falloff after either the top four or the top six Tackles depending on the way that you want to look at things And I doubt that that sixth guy is going to be on the board when the jets pick in the second round So if they want to address this thing optimally with the way the draft is likely to play out They should go offensive line the first round followed by wide receiver in the second round We know it's probably going to be one of those two positions And they are the top two positions at vandal sportsbook But you're getting plus money on offensive line for joe douglas was a former offensive lineman and took Andre Dillard in the first round last year with the Philadelphia Eagles Everything lines up well for them to go offensive line here I think that the the way they've attacked free agency has set them up to do so And it makes a lot of sense with their needs and their need to evaluate sam darnold Offense of tackle is also a much weaker position for them than wide receiver right now So I think all the stars align here for the just to take alignment You're getting plus money on them at plus 110 as well I don't think there's any Question they're going to take an offensive lineman to gain plus money on this This is the one I would like to lock in right now before it changes here Over at the vandal sportsbook as you said joe douglas is a former offensive lineman This is how he wants to build his team and the only office attack will they bring in his george fan and again I'll say it. He's not good At all seattle has always desperately needed offensive lineman. They let him walk Why again because he's not talented That means they're going to find some talent in the draft and it's going to be along the offensive line It's going to be in the first round There's no doubt in my mind that they're going to not let one of these top offensive linemen slip And they're going to get them in the first round of the NFL draft Now my favorite Prop that we're talking about here is right now with jordan love and you believe he's going to go after Pick 17 which I think is very very interesting here jim because there's people that believe that jordan love Is going to be the third quarterback off the board potentially to the los angeles chargers But I given that you're betting on Justin herbert going inside the top 10 go to the chargers. I know what you're doing right You're looking at the rest of the teams in the nfl in that first round You're like, oh, well, who else these are starting quarterback right now And you don't have one and then you take a look at some teams that could use a long term backup Or look at teams that maybe in the mix for a starter at some point and you're like Hmm, that's kind of the back end of the first round maybe in the second round and that's when you get to jordan love There's a lot of smoke around him. There's a lot of hype around him. But who is going to draft them? That's the question we have to ask ourselves and that's a reason I have to imagine Why you think he goes in the second half of the first round or later Yeah, Greg I think it's kind of what you said where it's just a numbers game with jordan love where there are two scenarios Where jordan love goes in the first 17 picks one of those is he does go the todmick shea route and become the third quarterback off the board Going ahead of jesson herbert, but herbert has a much better statistical profile and in general Is ranked ahead of love based on the extra rankings? I think that scenario is a bit less likely the betting odds would Tell you that as well because love is more of a long shot Be drafted ahead of herbert over at fangirl sportsman The other scenario where jordan love goes in the first 17 picks is where we have a surprise team taking a quarterback That could be washington or jackson bill but washington has traded for kyle allen and they've kind of ignored cam new Which says to me they're probably not in the market at quarterback and probably proceeding forward with the wade haskins The alternative is the jaguars and the jaguars pick at nine They could go a quarterback there, but they also have a pick later in the first round at pick number 19 They can look at the draft board and say hey There's no other quarterback needy team between our first pick and our second pick And then the first round because the next team that needs a quarterback on the board is the patriots all the way down At pick 23 so if a team decides hey, we want jordan love They can either jump ahead of the jaguars at 19 or they could jump ahead of the patriots at 23 But neither of those scenarios requires them to pick within the top 17 picks So I think that although we do have two paths to jordan love being a top 17 pick I don't think either path is all that likely which means getting the over here at just minus 102 I think it's pretty attractive jordan love is pretty much a lock I would say to be a first round pick and that's totally okay You know, maybe it's team trades back into the first round to get him at the end there But there are enough red flags I think to push him outside the back or the front half of the first round And back to those quarterback needy teams you mentioned in the latter half of the first round So i'm going to go over here at minus 102 and say that we see a fall on love Because it's just a numbers game that doesn't work in his favor Jim I like how you broke that down even further for us Try to figure out where he would end up and the only two likely teams are the patriots and the jaguars And both have picks towards the end of that first round after pick number 17 Which is where you're getting them at plus 102 I will say this as a giant span watching the giants have two first round picks and using their early one in janitor Jones You don't want to miss it if you absolutely love a quarterback you go up and you take him wherever you need to Jaguars could do that inside the top 10. I think that's the biggest fear. I don't see anyone going up After that if the jaguars let him fall in and I think you're safe I think that's the one pick you got to worry about is the jaguars early pick We'll see what happens. We'll see if Jordan love to pull that top McShay as you mentioned be the third quarterback off the board We're potentially a top 10 quarterback but a plus one out two I think it's worth taking the shot and he'll go after pick 17 Although a lot of really good offensive linemen here on the board jim There's a lot of good wide receiver on wide receivers on the board as well And that leaves t higgins Well, potentially out of the first round. You don't think so and I don't really think so either He had a great career at clemson and t higgins in any other draft. Maybe the first wide receiver off the board That's how talented. I think he is you're buying that some team will take the plunge on t higgins in round one Yeah, I think t higgins and literally every wide receiver in this draft has benefited In the way that things have played up so far in this all season started with the trades because the Minnesota Vikings traded a Way stiff on digs and acquired another first round pick that adds another pick for a wide receiver needy team In this first round, they're not going to go into the year with adam thielen and ola bc johnson as their top two receivers They're going to draft a wide receiver with one of those first two picks But also we saw that san francisco 49ers pick up number 13 overall in that de force buckner traded the indianapolis colts They're pretty likely to draft a wide receiver with one of their first picks as well So what we've seen here is a couple of wide receiver needy teams add first round picks Which inflates the number projected first round picks to be used on wide receivers There have also been some teams that haven't made a lot of moves in free agencies specifically the packers they did add devon funches but Overall, they haven't done enough to address that wide to see your position We could see them be in play for a wide receiver pick number 30 That just increases the number of projected wide receivers in the first round Which means that someone like t higgins who like you said had a tremendous career clemson Could sneak back into that first round at the latter half just because there are so many teams that could address wide receiver In this first round now. Yeah t higgins pro day wasn't that good his 40-yard dash time wasn't great He rested at the combine and probably is going to cost himself a couple of picks there as a result But you can trust the tape here. You can trust the size you can trust everything that we saw him do at clemson I think that's going to get him back into the back into the first round Especially we're getting him at plus money at plus or plus 126 I think you're only banking on a major major fall here from taking t higgins Just because he did not work out at the combine and had kind of poor numbers in his pro day I think that t higgins is going to slide up into that first round Because of the vikings and 49ers adding first round picks inflating the number of wide receivers who go on the first round He's one of those guys who could benefit So trying to see where the dominos fall which teams which players benefit from that I think that t higgins at plus money makes a lot of sense to go in the first based on the way things have played out Throughout the sausages We'll see what happens There are a lot of teams in the first round as you mentioned the offensive linemen and wide receivers the packers And the vikings two teams in the nfc north that could become viable options for t higgins Like he said he didn't help himself necessarily at the nfl combine but He very well could sneak in the first round with so many wider see where needy teams and that career on tape at clemson A lot of these players this year given the tough off season just like hey Look at my tape. Look at what I do when the games matter forget me in shorts t higgins Well, he could put up his game tape against anybody One last prop to get to on today's edition of the hurry up and that brings us Well right back to the quarterback position. We've talked about arguably the top four quarterbacks on the board But what happens after that jake fran a nice career at georgia jacob eason had a good career as well Well, who's gonna go first jim you're making on it being jake fran. How come? Well, I think we've already seen the scenario play out once before that was when georgia picked jake fran over jacob eason And I think that the nfl could follow suit now You can't really appeal to authority here because georgia pretty clearly made a mistake when they had justin fields transfer That one didn't work out as well So saying that because georgia picked jake fran over jacob eason is not going to be A lone convincing factor to say that the nfl will do the same here But there are also other reasons to favor jake fran over jacob eason The first one is that fran is a year younger than jacob eason with 15 more games in college of at least 10 pass attempts And those are numbers that are important when predicting whether quarterbacks will pan out at the nfl level So younger more experience that's good for fran He also was better in college because his adjusted yards per attempt as a junior jake fran's at georgia was 8.1 That was not very good But it was still better than jacob eason's at 8.0 And fran was above 9.5 the two years before that as a true freshman in a true sophomore playing in the sec So he was a good college quarterback And jacob eason never had a year on par with those two years from jake fran fran also did that despite a much tougher schedule playing in the Seat 78 percent of his pass this year came against top 50 defenses based on bill connelly's number numbers sp plus Addie spn that's compared to just 36 percent for jacob eason. So fran had better efficiency numbers while facing a tougher schedule He is younger. He is more experienced. We've already seen a team pick jake fran over jacob eason in the past I understand why jacob eason is the favorite here You're getting from it plus money at plus 120 because fran at the combine did not look good But it also there wasn't a lot of positive buzz out of jacob eason there So I think if you're betting jake fran relative to jordan love Jalen hurts and guys like that. It's okay to have pessimism, but specifically around jacob eason I want to side with jake fran here. I want to trust the college numbers I want to trust the pedigree and the experience and what we've seen in the past And that's what jake fran being a guy who was favored over jacob eason He's done it once before why can't he do it again in the battle of the jakes for georgia georgia went with jake fran over jacob eason eason had a nice college career But as you mentioned fran is younger and had more games where those higher pass attempts I have to like uh jake fran to do it remember as a freshman We thought this guy was going to be the number one overall pick didn't necessarily turn out that way for jake fran Who's going to go somewhere in the middle of this draft But fran he's very very talented as is jake of eason and we'll see if fran will go over him again Just like he did at georgia, but I think the youth is on his side So the numbers they're on his side as well. Like you said neither player really lift the calm mind up And it's not necessarily about the calm mind for the quarterback. It's about what he did in college He's got that cerebral mind I think jake fran certainly somebody at his age at his youth that should go over jake of eason It's it's plus money a little bit anyway from a solid choice That's a new brush here on the fandal hurry up jim. We appreciate your time. Hopefully we'll do this soon Yeah, looking forward to it. Greg. It's been fun to reconnect here a little bit at least virtually Yeah, and hopefully we can get some more draft talk in here pretty quickly and just enjoy Having something to talk about in the sporting world. Hope we can have real sports to talk about in the not so distant future I'm petrified what happens after the nfl draft because then i'm like Now what jim, but hopefully by then we'll have something else to talk about I'm sure they'll be able to drive cars around circles again for you soon I can only hope that would be the best thing ever at this point. Give me some nascar. Give me anything I will watch literally whatever to get my mind off all the stuff going on the world. So whatever it is I will happily take it. Greg for jim. Sanis. I'm greg sussman. Thanks so much for watching the fandal hurry up We'll see you again later this week. Have a great week. Stay safe everybody


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