Good day everyone and welcome to this Investor Intel interview. My name is Mario Drolet. Today we have the pleasure to have with us Mr. Tom Meredith, who is the Executive Chairman of West Red Lake Gold. Bonjour Tom and welcome to the show. Thank you very much, Mario. As they say in the mining space, the best place to find a new mine is to look around past producing an old mine. So I saw that you have acquired some land position around three ex-producing mines in the West and the Red Lake camps. Can you briefly comment on the, especially on the Rowland mine, as fast as historic production on it for our viewers? Yes, we have, our property is about, I think, 31 hectares, 3100 hectares in size. It has about 12 kilometers of strike length on a major geological trend. It's located about 10 kilometers, their property is located about 10 kilometers west of the famous Red Lake mines, which were owned by Gold Corp and are now owned by Evolution Mining. And on that property, we have three former producing mines, one of which the one in red in the center of the property is the Rowland, the historic Rowland mine, which currently has a resource of about 1.1 million ounces of 7.5 grams per ton between surface and about 500 meters deep and over a length of about 1.2 kilometers. So we have exploration potential to make that bigger by going deeper, below 500 meters deep. Okay, and when was the historic production? I think that that project was primarily just an initial development project for the Gold Corp Dickinson mines that used to be called in the old days. So they didn't do a lot of production, it was just some test mining originally. What they found was the mines that were mining in Red Lake had probably a bit higher grade at the time than what Rowland had. So it made sense for them to mine right at home in their, right in their front yard, rather than go several kilometers. It's about, as I mentioned, is about 10-15 kilometers away from their Red Lake operations. But to put it in a truck, you have to go around the top of the lake and back down again. So it's about a 60 kilometer drive. Was it an open pit situation or? No, underground, underground. Yeah, just like Red Lake, the Red Lake mine is underground and the adjacent mine to it, the Campbell mine, is also underground. So most of the mining in Red Lake is underground mining. Okay, what's the depth? Well, at Red Lake mine, they're mining down to 2000 meters deep, a little bit more. Whereas at the Rowland, we've only got a resource and exploration down to 500 meters deep to get a little over a million ounces. So we think if we go to the typical mining depth of many mines in Canada go to, which is about 2000 meters, we see potential for a much bigger resource than the one million ounces that we already have. And then we have an adjacent deposit on the property called the NT zone, which looks like it has a pretty good size resource potential as well. So there's lots of opportunity to make the resource in our project quite a bit bigger than it currently is. Okay, I saw in your last press release that you have complete 16 drill holes. Probably they probably end up in the mineralization. And can you give us your latest development on this? Well, the 16 drill holes are right at the very top of the Rowland deposit. So most of the drilling had been sort of 50 meters from surface and down to 500 meters. Really most of the drilling was between 50 meters and say 250 or 300 meters deep. But we thought it would be a good idea to develop an open pitable scenario to start the mine because that makes it very easy to get ore or mineralized material into a mill because at the end of the day, mining companies buy these properties and that's how we make money for our shareholders is to sell the property, the whole company to another mining company. And so we want to make it attractive for that mining company to buy us. And when they see ore that's very easy to get, this is attractive for them. Okay, Tom, I saw on your website that your last 43-101 on their own project was in 2016, am I correct? And are you going to update it this year? Our last was in 2016. We spent the previous couple of years actually working at the the NT zone, which is a new part of the property. And so we're working on a preliminary resource there. We're going to do a little bit more drilling first. So we think next year we may have an update of the resource, which would add additional answers from the NT zone. It wouldn't make the rowing any bigger because we haven't done anything to make the rowing bigger. The work we're doing now is actually making the surface area more attractive for mining. Because as I mentioned earlier, our ultimate customer is our other mining companies who need materials for their mills. Okay, very good. My last question, Tom, to you. I saw that Equinox Gold, they own 34% of the rowing project. Have they invested in the company? Evolution Mining actually. Yes, evolution mining. They own about 34% right now. And they are new because they bought the Gold Corp assets from Newmont one year ago. And so they have for the last year been focused on the Red Lake mine operations where they have three mines and two mills in operation. And they recently bought Battle North which is right next door, which means now they'll have four mines and three mills in operation soon. So they've been focused on that. And just recently they came out to the project to have a look and see if they want to start to contribute more financing. Gold Corp was always contributing financing. Then when Evolution Mining acquired the projects, they stopped. But now they come back out to see if they're going to start again. After having spent their first year in Red Lake, getting the mine operations into bigger and better shape than they were before. Okay, very good. Last question, when do you expect your drill results to come out? Because we all know that with the COVID, the situation labs are full and kind of stuck. But do you have any guess? Or I would like to suggest all our viewers to definitely take a look at the West Red Lake Gold symbol. Richard, Larry, George, RLG on the CSC. Once again, Tom, thank you very much for your time today. And we'll be speaking in a few months. Thank you. Thank you very much, Maria. Very nice to talk with you.


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Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspy's casebreaks.com coming at you with another three box break. A fanatics under wraps, autographed baseballs, random player break number 40. I'm a man, I'm 40. One spot gets you nine players and one spot will get any and all multi-signed baseballs. Big thanks to this group for making it happen. Appreciate ya. Now let's multiply that list by nine and randomize your names and teams. So both closers are in the Kimberall and Jansen both in the 390s. Yeah, both of them should hit 400 by the end of the season, right? Even with, I don't think Kimberall is going to get a lot of, is he going to be the closer out there? I don't think so. Maybe is, I don't know. Let's put your names in the first list. I think Jansen is going to be, should be closing for, for, for Boston though. So he should be able to get that probably midway through the season. There are the player names right here. All right, let's roll it, randomize it five and a four, nine times for each list. We'll put the results in that first tab there. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, and ninth and final time. Closer down to James. So the only record for homers over four, for a player over 40 is Darryl Evans back in 87. Is Raul Vanya still in the league? There's five and a four, nine times for the, for the players. One, two, three, four, five, six. Wait, what do you mean Raul Vanya has 28 homeruns? He wouldn't break 34, right? He'd have to break 34. He'd have to get 35 homeruns. All right. Never story down to Mariano Rivera after nine. All right. So here's the list just as is, and then I'll alphabetize by your first name. Come on Rex, you got to look at, you got to look at the dates of the things you're googling. It's like, man, Raul Vanya hasn't been around for a while. And if he only had 28, he still didn't break it. But now I'm curious to know if that record still, if Darryl Evans' record of 34 homeruns by a player over 40 still stands. And who, and how many players are still left that are over 40? All right. Now let's alphabetize by your first names. And Eric, there are your players right there, more players right there, and your last Bob Mojo players right there. James here, your guys, a lot of players for James, a few right there. And then there's Sal and Victor. There you go. All right. We're going to pause the video. When we come back, we're going to see if there's any trades. And then we'll have the three box break. So stick around. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back. I mean, compared to then we do, Rex. That's why people are living longer. All right. Trade window closed, ladies and gentlemen. Let's play some Who Am I? Yeah. Nutrition, modern medicine, Rex. To keep people alive. All right. Who am I? I am no longer with us. I passed away in 2020 at the age of 91. Had a lifetime 236 wins and 106 losses, a lifetime 275 ERA, 1,956 trackouts played for one team my entire career. Second ballot hall of famer with 77.81% of the vote. Ten-time All-Star, six-time World Series champion. That'll narrow things down. If you played for one team your entire career and won six World Series. Cy Young Award winner, a World Series MVP, three-time AL wins leader, two-time MLB ERA leader. Who am I? In the wake of Yogi Berra's death in 2015, a writer from the New York Times suggested that this player was now the greatest living Yankee. A wild thing Ricky Vaughn wishes he had a 275 ERA or 236 wins. No, K-Line didn't win six World Series, nor did Kofax, nor did Don Dryasdale. Al K-Line is also not a pitcher. Also, and I pretty much said it was a Yankee. Come on, someone's got to get this. This guy's a legend. There you go. James got it. Whitey Ford. I'm starting to think there's no baseball fans in the chat. There it is. There's the Whitey Ford autograph. Nice. We've got a bunch of a few hologram stickers here. Nice. And Whitey Ford goes to James. There you go, James. Well, according to that Times writer who said that Whitey Ford was the greatest living Yankee after Yogi Berra passed away in 2015, who's the greatest living Yankee now? All right. Who am I? I'm an active outfielder in Major League Baseball. I'm a Whitey, lifetime 284 batting average, 748 hits, 220 home runs, 497 runs batted in, a four-time all-star in AL MVP and AL rookie of the year, a three-time silver slugger, a two-time AL home run leader and AL RBI leader. Yeah, I guess greatest living Yankee now after Whitey Ford, probably Derek Jeter. Well, if I start reading off these accolades, you guys are going to get this pretty quickly. I broke this team's franchise records. Most home runs in a season hit at home, 33, beating some guy named Babe Ruth at 32. Most home runs in a season by a rookie, 52, Joe DiMaggio had previously held the record at 29. Most home runs in a single season, 62. Roger Maris previously held the record at 61. First right-handed hitter in Yankee's history with at least 100 RBI's, 100 runs scored and 100 walks in a single season. Most home runs four in the first seven home playoff games, tying Reggie Jackson. Tied for most home runs by the all-star break, 33. Roger Maris also had 33 in 1961 and fastest to reach 60 home runs in a single season, 147 team game. Has the AL record for the home runs in a rookie season, strikeouts in a single post season, strikeouts in a rookie season, home runs in a single season. Has an MLB record striking out in 37 consecutive games. Most strikeouts by a rookie with 208. Most walks by a rookie with 127. First rookie in MLB history with 45 home runs, 100 RBI's and 100 runs scored. Fastest to reach 60 career home runs. Most strikeouts in a double header with eight. Career home runs in a post season. Winner take all games four. Most home runs in a single AL season with 62. Part of the 50 home run club, part of the 60 home run club, a home run derby champion, rookie of the year, all-star silver slugger. Yeah, you know who it is. Aaron Judge, that's awesome. Nice. All right, Aaron Judge, who has the judge, Eric Klicks, all rise. Nice, Aaron Judge, autographed baseball. All right, third and final. This is a little bit of a let down because not that the player is not great, but we had him in the first box. It's Whitey Ford again. James, two of the three, two Whitey Fords. You're starting your Whitey Ford collection, whether you intended to or not. There you go. Still great though. Great player. Three Yankees. I'm Joe for jaspyscasebreaks.com. Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us. I'll see you next time for the next baseball break. Bye-bye.


I did a video last year talking about content creation and how we make money making videos and of course a year later it's we make more money and but I didn't reveal how much money and a few people had asked and I wanted to make sure this wasn't true apparently it was just a myth I heard you weren't allowed to talk about how much money YouTube paid you I watched a lot of other youtubers videos that now have revealed the amount of money and they seem to have no ill consequences from it well other than people being shocked about how much money they make you may not be shocked or maybe you will about the amount of money I make I don't it's it's not as much as I'd like it's not as much as some of the other big YouTube stars but it will show that there is a plan to making money on YouTube now first if you could take one second and click the like buttons I'm posting this in YouTube and this is going to be on Facebook so wherever that like button is on either one of those platforms that does help our algorithm driven life to let other people know they may be interested in learning about this as well so we're going to get to the revenue in just a second don't worry it's not click I'm going to show you all the screenshots here of how much I directly make from YouTube and talk about that but I also want to say there's two different ways we make money well there's a couple different ways but we're going to show the revenue from YouTube show the revenue from Amazon affiliate those are the two big ones that are like recurring revenue but we do get a lot of inbound leads from this so that's part of our sales process I'll probably do another video on that of how we get inbound leads but essentially it's we give everything away we dump videos out there that are deep in depth tutorials that people go hey this is cool here's a good tutorial on this but they still watch the tutorial and end up hiring us which a lot of people seems to think is a counterintuitive thing that if you told someone how to do it they still wouldn't hire you to do it that's completely not true by having all these videos over 800 them on my YouTube channel many of them being tutorials and showcasing you know exactly how to do something we're talking about a project and the methodologies that we did to do it that brings us a lot of inbound leads that is still the majority and is bigger than any of the revenue numbers here like I said I'll probably do a separate video on that and it's it's like the projects and the bookings and my whole flow for that is going to be it's kind of in depth and goes beyond the scope of this all right now the reveal we're going to press this little button and switch right over to the screen so for the last 28 days I have made 25 $2568 in estimated ad revenue it's always estimated now the first thing is there's no clear answer to how much I make per video and the reason why is because the video ad rates change dramatically with where the video is viewed and the type of video it is so if the video is deemed monetizable by YouTube as in friendly for advertisers that is what drives YouTube is someone has to pay for all the bandwidth it takes to have people viewing my videos so if they deem it worthy and content non-controversial this is always the big debate with YouTube of their censoring things no they need to pay the bills and they're going to be driven by their advertisers and what the advertisers want or don't want their ads showing up on so the ad buy rate will vary greatly it turns out if you do videos talking about finance the ad buy rate is high I think toy videos do okay there's always very and it comes down to who's advertising I know we see different rates go up and down based on each individual video we do and of course that's going to drive what the advertisers are buying at the moment so not really easy to tell you exactly how much per video but cumulatively right now I am making this every 30 days about $2,500 from YouTube now let's look at what I did for all of 2018 so we go over here 2018 and I made 15,000 in total but if you added 12 times 25 isn't that a different number yeah it is and let's break that down at the number of videos I had towards the end of 18 this is cumulatively what occurred in revenue and by the way the monthly number that you see is 2,500 right now but it was only about a thousand for this month last year the difference is more videos and it's cumulatively as long as the videos are still relevant and people are still viewing them and people are getting value from them and watching them those videos continue to make money the videos that people just don't watch anymore because they're old they're a news article from two years ago and there's no interest in it those fall off and quit making revenue because they no longer have any views so it's always a cumulative of videos that are kind of rolling forward as long as they're relevant of still making money and because there's more videos overall on the platform that I've uploaded and especially this year quite a few of them now this year so far in 2019 I've made 16,356 dollars so that's a cumulative of what's going on right now and if I look at a monthly snapshot come December and November of either year that those particular months are where the majority of the money spikes up because the ad buy rates are higher because it's shopping season now moving over to Amazon this is the other primary source of income right here and this is my last year how much we received in Amazon now these are affiliate links I'm not doing drop ship I'm not doing anything anything special you're just clicking an affiliate link below we have them labeled as such on our YouTube channel and what happens is if I review a product whatever that might be I say hey here's a you know handy dandy tool and you'd like to buy it we all have an affiliate link and we get a very small percentage and I see very small you can see the rates here shipped revenue of 486,823 dollars that means there was that much ordered through my Amazon affiliate link so half you know the what is that half a million dollars you have about five hundred thousand dollars on listen revenue and my earnings off of five hundred thousand dollars in revenue was 19,000 but it required me to do nothing but show the link I did not have to ship it package it deal with returns or anything Amazon's taking care of the whole process there's a lot more money made of course if you do direct sales there's better margins etc etc we're focusing on this that way I can just do the video with our goal being an inbound lead that or just you know sharing information or the inbound lead that comes in it has brings revenue to our company through following up with that and processing either a consulting job or some type of contract work we get that's still the bigger goal because that pays so much more but this is kind of that steady revenue that comes across I just want to be very public about it when you help but I say help the channel by clicking the link below I mean help the channel by clicking link below it's uh as much as I like the inbound leads for all that they it's kind of this big mix of your trying to optimize everything and I think people should be honest I mean I it takes a lot of time to make over 800 videos process some learn the skills put it together in a lot of the videos I know I'm not going to get a ton revenue because I like sharing some of the business stuff and I don't have anything to really offer other than just wanting to see the community better but those things help me produce those videos you clicking those links you putting all um it I mean it doesn't cost you anything to click these links you're not paying a higher rate from Amazon I'm just Amazon's being told that you bought something referred by me so I get this that's really simple now this is what I did and so far this year uh no I'm sorry this is this is last year 2018 and this year is a little bit more as the channel's gotten bigger so my revenues thus far as of August 21st 2019 are 13,000 so last year we made in total 19,000 so far in August we've already hit 13,000 and I just like to be very public about how my business works how we do the videos and where all this money comes from so to speak when someone else is it you actually make money with YouTube yeah it's accumulation of things and I think it's a very fair trade for me to put together all this stuff I mean I would like to make more and some people make a whole lot more especially some of the financial videos wow some of those people make a lot just based on the ad revenue from the videos or you know or some of the affiliate stuff or if you have a cool product YouTube is a really interesting platform for this I encourage a lot of people get involved in it but I didn't want to be very clear when people say you just want us to watch your videos to make money well there's some of that yeah I like people watching my videos I like when they enjoy them it's a labor of love but it's also a way to make money and enjoy what I do as a creator I love to produce all this and put the time and put the content on there and for those of you that may have seen my shirt says working with shippers all day make sure crimp hands strong we sell silly shirts on teespring that's another revenue generator we sometimes get links for companies that give us like affiliate links like tech supply direct and things like that none of that is added up near to what amazon has sometimes the t-shirt revenue and by the way I use teespring because they're integrated right into youtube so I'm not actually processing orders and shirts that would be very difficult but that means I make the lowest amount of money so I'm only making I've had good months where I've made like a few hundred dollars from shirt sales but they're being shipped to people automated ordering I just see the orders come through it's a few dollars a shirt literally just like I think it's like a couple dollars a shirt it's not much it's not a lot of revenue but they're nice at ease to help out people get a cool shirt we get paid for the time it took us to you know draw whatever design or think up whatever silliness that we want to put on there it's all these little cumulative revenue things and I probably have to put a spreadsheet together to try and summarize all those and we're always working on new pitches the tech supply direct one is the most recent one where we get a small couple percent and you get ten percent off discount by using our affiliate codes and we have vpn sales and those don't add up to much either that's a quantity thing too enough people have to sign for account to make just a couple dollars and we have a whole affiliates page that you can see and like I said we're very honest about any of the things we do because I like to operate my business with transparency I like to operate my youtube channel and social media creation stuff with transparency as of right now I'm going to upload this to Facebook which means I'm not going to get paid at all because Facebook's system is not ready yet for such things they have some beta pilots who are trying to pay creators I don't think any of it works well matter of fact Facebook may insert an ad and by the way I don't get any money for Facebook inserted ads as of right now yeah I don't know if they're ever going to catch up with the way YouTube does it but YouTube's the preferred platform because of that but that's it I just wanted to let people know for those of you going who I wonder how much he makes that's how much I make this is the screenshots directly from you know I don't think I need to go as far as to prove that I didn't doctor these screens in some way with you know I'm not just not going to bother doing that and for those of you think I make 10 times as much I don't that's exactly how much I make from these videos and if you're interested in talking about the process keep an eye on my youtube channel we've dive into a lot of different topics while we'll be covering a whole inbound lead process we get from youtube and how we put that together using you can book me and google sheets for inbound leads to process them it's not anything that secret I just haven't taken the time to put it together yet but it's absolutely those are the the entirety list of tools I use to manage inbound leads and book them into oh and stripe to actually take the payments so that's yeah there's my other secret there are no secrets uh and if you want to get started in any of this I have some videos like how we built the studio I have videos on some of my workflow follow along on my channel there's a lot of stuff that just give it all away man I'm not uh shy about telling anyone I've had several people stop by my studio check it out because they want to know how we do it it's I'm an open book if you want to know any of this stuff and it doesn't cost as much as you think to do some of the tutorial stuff a microphone and a camera are not that expensive maybe I'll do some budget stuff I have a high budget one we're like this entire studio but I probably do a low budget one as well to kind of break down like your basic to get started in this it's uh it's not that difficult everything the challenge is all in the ideas and a little bit of skill in editing gotta have the idea first ideas are easy ideas are cheap everyone's got them but then you gotta execute those ideas that's where the real have a story execute the ideas put a plan together that's really the the hard part buying this gear and all that that that's actually the pretty easy part it's not super expensive I'll leave links all this uh if it's on youtube and on facebook I'll try to I'll just leave a link back to the youtube channel thanks thanks for watching if you like this video give it a thumbs up if you want to subscribe to this channel to see more content hit 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To finalize the deal on the 2023 presidency, five agreed governors of the People's Democratic Party, PDP, are reported to be set to meet with the presidential candidate of the All-Progressive Congress, APC, Ashwaju Bola Ahmed Tinobu. The support by G5 for Tinobu is going to be a game changer akin to the declaration of the G6 for the APC in 2014. The group of governors had insisted on their call for the removal of the national chairman of the party, Hiocha Ayu, and emergence of a southern politician as the party's chairman. The group therefore withdrew their support for the presidential candidate of the party, Atiku Abubaka, over his alleged refusal to yield to their demand. And joining us, like we promised, is the PDP of Rada, Honorable Angu Angu, not-central Zonal Coordinator, Atiku Support Organization. Good morning, Honorable, and thanks for joining us. Good morning, Honorable, and thank you for joining us. Same to you. Good morning, Honorable Angu, and thank you for joining us. Okay. We're just wondering how it's going to pan out. Your governor, you are from Benwa State, your governor made a pronouncement, well, let me not call it a pronouncement, he made a statement that if you were not in the People's Democratic Party, he probably would be going around with Peter Obi of the Labor Party to come fast for votes for him. But because he's in the PDP, he cannot do that. Now, how do you think the chances of your principles are still high with all this? Because they're talking APC, they're talking the possibility of Labor Party as well. So any of these people can just pick this 5G. Yeah, 5G. Okay, G5. Oh, the network is entering my head now. The G5 could decide for either the APC or the LP. So how will this pan out? That's great. Thank you very much. Only this is a game, as we all know, and it's a game of interest. The interest, the G5 governor has been expressed in different ways. We did not appreciate that part of the game. I would like to say that at the end of the day, you know, the Peter, the Consulate, the Peter, the Richard, and not what we saw during the World Cup in Qatar, how that it was becoming very clear that the administration was going to win that game. Very sweet picture. So I would like to say that it's fine that G5 governors are expressing dissatisfaction with these and that and that. But I would like to clear the air that one of the contentions of the G5 governors, spearheaded by Excellency News on weekends, and the governor of Benway State, my former principal, and Excellency Samoa Auto, has been that the national chairman of the party should go. I want to say first that it's unconstitutional. There are no laws within the PDP that state that if the presidential candidate of the party is of a particular zone, the chairmanship of that party should go to the next zone. There is nowhere in the constitution of the PDP that states that. And I want to be very, very clear. And to tell Nigeria, Nigeria should not be deceived. There is nowhere in the constitution. And there is no precedent to that. Because even in law, we go on precedent. What is the precedent of a national chairman vacating his position? The precedent we have was the president and the presidential candidate, Umaro Musa Yaratua, was on the note, and the national chairman, Umaro Musa Yaratua, was on the note also from Kodi State. It was after the elections were conducted, and Umaro Musa Yaratua emerged, that a special convention was convened. And Vicent Ogulaf, of blessed memory also, was elected as the national chairman of the PDP. So where is the premise of this agitation of the G5 governors that Senator IU should vacate position, his position as a national chairman? What happens to the other positions within the party? Because the positions are actually rotational between the south and the north. So when we rotate, when is it only the chairmanship position that they are about, or all the other positions should be wrote? Should also be given out. Are they trying to create a constitutional problem for the party? Because in your chair, you vacate this position. So if a constitutional issue, what happens to the other positions? What happens to the vice chairmanship of the party? What happens to the position that has been the position? And they bring out video that you said, if the presidential candidate is from the north, he was going to resign. But he said that with a caveat. And the caveat was that if the party says he should resign. So the party has not said, Dr. Yuchi, you should resign his position. And so far so good. The gentleman has managed the affairs of the party incredibly well. The party is going about his campaigns, presidential rallies. And Nigerians are seeing the superb work he's doing. So I would like to state clearly that the agitations of the G5 governors over the issue of the chairmanship of the party is misplaced. It is highly misplaced. Honourable. Honourable, just a moment. It is also mischievous. Yes, just a moment now. Honourable. The chairman of the party should vacate his position. Because it doesn't have a place in the law that says that if the presidential candidate of the party comes from a particular zone, the chairman should also come. We've heard that. We've heard that honourable. Just a moment, honourable. We've heard that. You've said it so many times here. What are two problems with that? First of all, is that you said in the last time that you were here on the program, I remember vividly, that you said you were very confident that before we get into the election proper, the PDP will do the needful. PDP is reputed for having internal mechanisms that resolve issues. You promised that that was going to happen. But you're not talking like there's any hope in the pipeline that this thing is going to be resolved. It's like, OK, these people are recalcitrant. These people are going against the constitution and all that. Secondly, is that PDP seems not to be respecters of gentleman agreements, whether they are in the constitution or not. Because we were given, the Nigerian people were given the zoning formulas it were by the PDP. And it was written in your constitution as we hear. The zoning formula. But as soon as there was a little bit of pressure, you dumped the zoning thing and took the presidency or the candidacy of the presidency to the not, which should have come to the south. Whatever calculations that you made. But it seemed as if when it comes to what will favor the party or what will not favor the party, you don't think about the Nigerian people. So you jettisoned the zoning and let Atticu become the candidate. And then you have now given up hope of reconciling the G5 with the party itself. So it gives me worry. These two things. I was here. And just like you said, even with what I've said, it doesn't mean that there will be no reconciliation with the PDP G5 governance. And after I came here, our presidential candidate, his excellency Atticu Abobaka was on China's TV. And I think he has the highest powers as a person to resolve this crisis. And he said, look, I have met with Nisom Wike that seemed to be the arrowhead of that group five times. And just like your colleague in the studio said, one of such meetings happened in London. So we have tried. The party have tried. The party have reached out to see that this crisis is resolved. But in the event that it is not resolved, we should be able to speak the truth. And that is, this is meant, speaking the truth here to Nigerians, to disabuse the mind of Nigerians. Now look, it is not that the party is not a respecter of gentleman agreement. The party respects those agreements. But those agreements should be based on the constitution. And if speaking, if going to even gentleman agreement, which part of Nigeria has not produced the presidency of Nigeria? Because one of the agitations is that, okay, Buhari is coming from the north. And it shouldn't, the word now, the candidacy of the other party should not go to the north again. But this is turning logic on its head. Because if we look very well, within the PDP, Northern Nigeria has ruled Nigeria for only two plus years. And that was the turning of Umor Musa Yaradwa, of blessed memory. The South, we had Abbas Angel for eight years, who have good luck at Belajunatan for almost six years. You go into an election to win. You don't go into an election to be in a context. Go into an election to win. You're putting your best foot. And I want to say the PDP has put out his best foot out there in this election by the emergence of His Excellency Atukua Buboka. And I would like to quote Senator Dino Malai.  And you will put him on a bench and feeding other players where he's not injured. Atukua Buboka is like the little messy on the PDP. So we cannot have him fit with all his qualities, capable, and we will put him on a bench to feed in other players. Okay. Let me come in here honourable. So where? I have a line of thought. Honourable, just a minute. If I am to go by your argument, from every statement that you've just made, so where is the place of internal democracy? I mean in the PDP. Because this was an agreement that almost every other part of Nigeria, every individual in the country and other political parties had to abide by this idea of zoning that was brought up by the PDP. And then it got to a time to implement it. Even if the PDP had decided, okay, we're not going to go by this. Isn't it something that should be talked about in the party and come to a general agreement? Because if you're saying, if you decide to use the little messy analogy, then a lot of people would totally disagree because then what happens to other good players in the team? If it had allowed me to finish my line of thought, I would have answered your question. Please go ahead. My line of thought was this. It's this. If Excellency Samua Auto was the chairman of the Zoning Committee, that is part of the internal democracy, internal processes of throwing up a candidate. And it was the same committee headed by a very critical figure within the G5 Governors now headed that committee. And I wish you know the recommendations of that committee. What were the recommendations of those committees? That committee threw open the context of getting a presidential candidate. That was the first process. It threw it open and then look, we are not going to zone it to any part of the country. Every member of the party from any part of the country can go into the context. Why are we not having this conversation? That it was Governor Auto that made that recommendation. He was the chairman of that committee. So why are we not having this conversation? Why do you want to deceive the people all the time? Even as politicians, we should learn to speak the truth. And the truth is, he was the chairman of that committee. He signed the report of that committee and threw the context open. Why is it that after the goal has been scored, you want to change the goal post? To begin to talk about gentlemen's agreement, it was supposed to go to the south and it was supposed to go to the north. That is the least very, very dubious. Honourable, we are back to you now. When you were talking about honouring the agreements, and you said, agreements need to be honoured, but it has to be something that isn't the constitution. And I am not a PDP member.  You give me... We have an agreement with you when you are voted into power. You're going to do XYZ and this is not in your constitution. How am I as a Nigerian supposed to trust you that you can keep to the promise that you made without writing down and signing an agreement? Honourable, are you there? Yes. We all remember the public approvals of the years of plenty and the local years of the ABC we are facing now. The PDP years were the years of plenty. The PDP years were the years of abundance. And it would be no different that one of the vice-presidents our candidates now is Excellency Artukawa Boboka, was the vice-president under the Obasanjo regime and was a regime where Nigerians experienced economic boom. The telecommunication we are enjoying today, the privatisation of industries that took place and opened up Nigeria for many investors to come in, that the economy was under this man. And he proved himself to be formidable, to have capacity, to have what it takes to get Nigeria working. And it is what we have still happened given the opportunity. We replicate some of the success and they wouldn't take it inches higher when giving opportunity. So some of those things, each party has a blow point. Presently we have a five-point agenda, a recovery plan maybe I will send you a copy and that will be the framework, that will be the work plan, that will be the roadmap to recover this country. That is if you are voted into power but how can we trust you to even vote you into power as a party? That's what I'm asking you because even if you talk about the Obasanjo years, the same Obasanjo doesn't even trust your principles. What is your premise for talking about trust? What is the premise about this trust quest on your accent? And what promise are you promising your quest on if Nigerians should trust us if they don't sign any agreement with us? The covenant, the order of office is an agreement already. The order of office public official has taken, it's an agreement or a covenant with Nigerians already. So what is the promise of Nigerians trusting the PDP to vote them into power or not? Because the PDP are not being Nigeria. The people are watching, honourable and this back and forth with the G5 has lingered, it has gone on for so long. The G5 are being dubious, they are not being consistent. That group is not being consistent with their agitations. Next time they will say that Ayuda should go. Next time they hear them speaking to enemies they don't want me to get the vice presidential candidate. Next time they will say it was Tamberwa, His Excellency Governor Minu Tamberwa that sold out for a week and a half to get the presidential ticket. They keep changing the goalposts. So for truth, we don't really, really know what they want. Yeah, but I don't know if PDP knows what they want because you mentioned also that Tom was the chairman of that zoning committee and they were the ones that jettisoned the zoning thing and if there was a mistake, that was a mistake. So are you saying they made a mistake, the PDP saw the mistake, they ran with the mistake, now even if they have repented so to speak and said they are coming back you have decided to run with the mistake. It wasn't a mistake, that wasn't a mistake. My sister in the studio said look, what are the internal democratic processes that were put in place? And I said look, that committee was set up where consistent, where represented. He was not the only person in that committee. Governor Puru Puru the governor of Nugust state was part of that committee and several other statesmen were part of that committee.  Just where the internal mechanisms put in place to make sure the election ran public. So it wasn't a mistake because if it were a mistake it would have been corrected at that point and I said he was the chairman of that committee. So I want to clarify here very clearly that that committee wasn't a mistake. Its job was done properly. Its job was done extensively to ensure that the party comes out with a presidential candidate that is generally accepted by all. And like I said on other platforms if these people have personal grudges with his excellent certificate they should go and settle those personal grudges and don't make it not elevate personal grudges to state affairs. His excellent certificate should be a good sportsman, should be a good loser. Not after losing the primaries is about here and there causing trouble for the party. We don't see that in the APC. We don't see that in other parties that run presidential primaries. Why is the state different?  It is their personal ambitions that are portrayed.  It is unacceptable. Honourable, just a moment. You don't sink the ship because we are young people coming up within the party. This is the party that made them whatever they are in life. Interesting. How many things they have within this party that made them to become gopnos or whatever they are today. So why must they sink the ship of this party? Because their interests are not protected. You mustn't always win. Nigerians should know this. Honourable. Honourable. Honourable, just a moment. Honourable. This is southern Nigeria and a northern Algerian thing. The APC government has privatised this country enough and the nepotism of the present APC government has divided this country enough not for us to begin to talk about southern Nigeria and northern Nigeria within the PDP We should be close around. We should be close around to build a great nation not to divide this country. I'm glad you're talking about coming together to build the nation. You alluded to the messy Argentina, all that. Argentina was beaten by like the smallest team in the World Cup but they came back and then they won the World Cup and you know what? The captain said it was because of teamwork. This teamwork we're not finding in PDP as far as a lot of us are concerned. What if some members of the team don't want to be part of the team? We have also seen... They would lose if some members don't want to be part of the team. Hello sir. We were here when Christian Ronaldo did not want to be part of the Portugal team. What happened? He was put on the bench. And a young man that came for him to replace him on the field. How many goals did he give the country? But they lost. At the end of the day they lost. That's not what I'm saying. But in that particular game he was put on the bench. What happened? The young man that replaced him gave that country two solid goals. All right. So what are we talking about? These members of the team are not ready to be part of the team. You have to move. The post has to go and leave them. All right. Honorable because we're almost out of time we're trying to move forward now. What is it looking like for the PDP? The G5 are threatened to pitch their support behind any other of the presidential candidates of any other of the political parties. And let us assume that we are already in January and this the G5 goes ahead to support someone else. What is the PDP putting in place to help them chest that pressure when it comes? And what is it going to look like? What is the fate of the G5 Governors if they go ahead to take such a decision and act on it quickly because we're rounding off now? Thank you very much. I would like to remind Nigerians that Nigerians should go out there and vote their conscience. And I would also like to stage that the electoral act does take away the powers of state governors to begin to act like food animals. One of the days where you can sit somewhere and write elections or allocate votes to people. The leaders, the bimodia voting system makes it impossible for you to sit down somewhere and write votes and allocate votes how you want. So the people are going to vote their conscience. We see what is happening in the reverse. We see what is happening all over the country. Even in the state of this G5 Governors and TIKU is excellent at TIKU Ababaka and the PDP is solid on ground. So the G5 Governors it is within their personal rights to decide to support a particular candidate. Within their personal rights. Nobody takes that right away from them. But I always state clearly that the people are going to vote their conscience. Even though the Governors have one single vote to vote on that day with their followers. I understand they have influence and what they are doing to the PDP is to give the PDP a wrong perception. That the PDP does not respect the South. But I want to say they are being dubious they are being mischievous with such narratives that they are pushing. They should be able to tell the people the truth. So the people are going to vote their conscience. And not the Governor is sitting on votes the way they just say that I am sitting on votes. Nobody is sitting on any votes anywhere. The people are going to vote their conscience. The people are going to vote leaders that are going to represent them well. And the Enlightenment right now is so much among the people. The political Enlightenment the people are becoming more enlightened than they are not going to be winked by any false narrative. And Nigerians are not going to be pitched against themselves to begin to fight themselves. The people are going to vote their conscience. The people are going to vote leaders that we bring them so close. What do people need? They need good roads. They need electricity. They need their children to go to the best public schools around. They need access to health facilities. That is what the people are demanding for. It's not much. They are not asking for help. They are not asking for help. They are not asking for help. It's not much. They are not asking for a house in Vienna and they are not asking for a house in New York. That is not what Nigerians are asking for. Nigerians are asking for basic dividends of democracy. Basic infrastructure so that they can live a good life. They are sick. They should go to the hospital. So I would like to say that the electoral act is as imperfect as it is but at least it's the right step in the right direction. Because give it to the APC government for signing the act into law it gives the power back to the electorate. Okay. Honourable. Thank you very much. At this point we'll just wish the PDP good luck and also admonish that issue. That is what we expect from you guys. Yes. But we'll give you advice for free that if you watch the movie 300 the people in the army was not supposed to be defeated by anybody. It is only because of a cripple that they underrated. One cripple that they underrated that made that army fall.  So we wish you good luck and may the best man win. Thank you. Okay. We've been talking with Honourable Angu Angu not Central Zonal Coordinator of Atiku Support Organization and he has been telling us what is happening in the party and he's confident that they are going to win. Well, like we said may the best man win. We're taking a short break now to bring you the news and after that we'll conclude the program. Stay with us.


All right, so I think many of you in the room are familiar with the SPDX tool. I'll probably go through this relatively quickly because I'd like to make sure we have some good time at the end for some discussion on what the future is. And quite honestly, I'm going to get some benefits from all of you is to get some feedback on what we should be working for next. I want to make sure we have time to do that. But if I start to go too fast and you want some more detail, just help me to slow down, you know, or pause and answer questions, whatever. So I used to call these the SPDX tools, but that's a little confusing because you saw a bunch of SPDX tools and they're not from SPDX. They're from a lot of different contributors. So they're now called the SPDX work group tools in case you need the translation. So SPDX work group tools are really SPDX tools that are built maintained by the SPDX technical group. Most of it's mine, but there's quite a few contributions from other code writers. And everything in here is essentially contributed to by the entire technical group. I don't think there's a single line of code that wasn't influenced by some discussion within the SPDX technical, you know, working group. So it really is a collaborative work that's available to everybody in open source under Apache 2.0, whether you like Apache or not. That's the one we decided on. What did the SPDX tools do? Well, you know, they really are, most of them really are intended for the consumption of SPDX, which is a little bit different than some of the other tools that are out there that are a little bit more targeted towards the production. But it's for reading and analyzing the SPDX document. Now where these tools actually came from, and I mentioned this at the beginning, but it may give you a little bit of context where these have come from. We really support two different formats. We support the tag value format, which the Linux community just loves. And then it supports the RDF format, which a lot of the Java community just loves, right? And so this kind of brings those two different worlds together, the tag value format and the good, I'm sorry, the RDF format. So we couldn't agree on the format, so we decided to write some tools that translate between RDF and tag values. That really was the genesis of the tool, but they've evolved quite a bit since then. So there's viewers that will basically take an SPDX file and just dump it up to a text file for easy reading. Very simple command line. We've extended that to be an HTML format. And if any of you are HTML programmers and would love to create a very nice looking HTML file, there is a template file that I would welcome anybody to contribute to, because I'm the one who wrote the template. I'm guaranteed it's not very good HTML. It's not very elegant HTML. Somebody could write a much better one, contribute that back, and we have a really nice HTML fuel for the SPDX file that encourage contributions on that front. I'll put it on the list. And while I'm at it, I'll make one more plea for contributions, which is the tag. I mentioned I'm an RDF guy in Timboren coming from. Nobody's maintaining the tag part of the translators. When we go to SPDX 2.0, there's a really interesting, I think it's a really interesting computer science problem of being able to write a new parser that can interpret something with a hierarchy. Right now it's very flat. Every tag is unique. It's very simple. I got this tag. That's where it goes in the SPDX file. Now you're going to have in 2.0, I've got a document. This document may have other documents, or you've got a document. This document has a package. The package may have other packages. It may be the production. And so how do you create this hierarchy, and how do you represent that in a language? So any of you that are into LALR parsers, or a compiler guy, or if there's like a university that has a compiler course, that has some students that would like to contribute something interesting to be part of a new language, we have an opportunity to contribute to the SPDX community. So I'll put that up here too. Right now I'm doing it. Again, I'm not sure I'm the best person to do it, but it's there. So in addition to translating between tag and RDF, we also translate between spreadsheets. This is particularly useful for those of you in the legal community that don't read RDF or tag value, but like to work inside a spreadsheet. So basically it goes both ways. So you can take something that Matt and the UNO tools produce in the SPDX, and you can import it into a spreadsheet and you easily read it. What's neat is you can go in and you can make modifications, and then you can translate it back into a tag value or an RDF file format that can then be interpreted by the tools and be uploaded to the diff tools again that you saw earlier. So that's a very, very useful translation. What's new is we did some command-length comparison. Originally I did a comparison of two different files, but based on a lot of basically the bake-off that's coming up tomorrow with a lot of help from Phil and Kirsten and I have actually been collaborating on this for quite a while in terms of the comparison document. This afternoon's bake-off right after lunch. Here, here. That's right. Come back and then you'll see a demo of the comparison tool, in addition to a lot of different tag value formats that will then be compared. So now it'll actually produce this very, nice-looking spreadsheet that'll compare multiple documents. So when we do the bake-off, all these different, you know, tag value formats that are produced by all these different tools, you just load it all up in one spreadsheet and then we can go through different tabs and it'll show you color-coded. Thanks Phil for the suggestion. Color-coded, you know, what are all the differences in there. So that's, and all these tools are available uploaded in open stores. Talked about this, and then this one here. Does anybody in here a Java programmer by chance? How many of you are programmers, software writers? Okay, good. How many of you are Java programmers? Okay, close enough. Oh yeah, Android is Java. If you write Android apps, even if you're not a Java programmer, I'd encourage you to look at the actual source code as a model for implementing things in any other language. The model is fairly complete. Any object-oriented language will recognize the structure and be able to leverage at least some of the concepts from the other source code. So in addition to the actual tools, there's the library that implements the tools. And I'm just gonna, since there isn't that many Java programmers in the room, I won't spend much time at all, but I'll give you a few features that are much out there, much available. Like I mentioned, there's a lot of different contributors to this. I just wanted to call out a few people. Protocode, Raina was the previous author of the tag value. I solely miss Raina. She was very, very helpful for the organization. Peter Williams at OpenLogic did a lot of the RDFA support. Kirsten, in addition to collaborating on the comparison tool, she's been doing a lot of the documentation and the requirements analysis for it. Kate's done the tag value design and the ever-popular spreadsheet format. And then the technical and business working groups, like I mentioned before, done a lot of the requirements and betting out the different implementation options. And of course, I've done some new implementation. So this is just a little bit more detail. I'll tell you all these slides, say it's the same thing. Command line driven. Nothing elegant. It'd be nice if it was on the web. It'd be nice if it was like the UNO tools where you just go to a website and do it. But you can download these. You do a Java dash jar. You give it the name of the application and the name of the file. And it runs and introduces what it produces. It also, all of these tools actually do a validation. So there's been some talk in the technical and business teams that, boy, we need a validation tool. Quite honestly, those discussions are frustrating because we've got one. Just run these tools. It actually does a fairly deep validation of the file. It goes through everything that we've discussed in the technical team and things that need to be validated. So for example, organization, according to the spec, need to have person colon, organization colon, or tool colon. If it doesn't have one of those, it's not a valid STDX document according to the spec. So I actually go down into the fields, parse that out, and I'll report back. I may not fail the tool. It depends on the severity of the verification error. But I'll actually produce a list of warnings. Let's say this STDX document is not valid because, you know, it goes all the way down to the files. So that's another feature that's present in these tools. Just a view of the spreadsheet translator. This is the comparison. And I'd encourage you to stick around for the backup so you can see that. The spreadsheet output of that gives you a view. The two-way comparison is just a text document. The one thing I'll say about that is it does go through a fairly detailed analysis. It's extremely nitpicky at the differences. What it fails at is the summary analysis. It doesn't give you a very good feel for how similar or dissimilar they are. But it will tell you even if the most minute is to detail. It's different. It actually implements a license comparator that will take two different licenses. So we use the proposed license matching guidelines of STDX to see if the two texts are the same. So in the comparison, you know, you may have license rough 23 here, license rough 70 here, and it includes a text in there. We'll do a coconut comparison that, you know, does the British, I'm not particularly British. It might be American English to non-American English translation. And I'll tell you if those two licenses are close enough to be called the same. And then it'll tell you these two are the same for the same license. Yeah. Yeah. But thanks for that. Yeah. So this is an interesting one now. I think in practice that when I think about it, if it's made by the same tool, it's probably going to show up to being the same license because the license references are never the same because they're usually generated by the tool that collects them. Yeah. You know, so if it's the same tool, I'm going to tell you the same, but because these things are extracted and the tools have different mechanisms for extracting those licenses, I'd be surprised if we ever have the same license show up as being equal, you know, because one's going to grab more lines than the other. And, you know, one's going to include the like in the tool that the source editor has, he turns out the comment. So you won't see, you know, the slash slash or the slash star. So we have a comment part that just, you know, gets rid of all that. A lot of other tools like we saw that the NINCA tools, actually NINCA does that as well. But I think the solubility leads to the comments in there. So those aren't going to match because of comment characteristics. In practice, it may not be that useful, but it was some interesting programming. So tag value translator, not much to say here, other than contributor to maintain the tag side of it. And this is my short, I don't want to scare you with this. I'm not going to go into detail on the model, but this is the object model that's implemented in Java that supports the DSPDX standard. So this is the same model that you'll find in the spec only represented as a more of a formal UML class diagram. So you'll find Java code behind each one of those that you can go in and look at the implementation. All of them have a common method called verify. So you can go in and look and see how we actually verify each of these different classes to see, you know, if, you know, if your tool is forming at the same way, you can see the same rules that the DSPDX tools are. The other thing I'll just mention as far as these Java library tools, they are using commercial applications. I know of three of them that use at least some of it, source auditor, a black duck, I believe uses some of the DSPDX library. And I believe protocol uses some of it as well. So, and their license in a way to encourage commercial adoption. One of the reasons I put time into this is I wanted to see SPDX adopted. And I wanted to make it easy for tool vendors to do it. So here's the set of libraries. And the only problem is you have to be using Java or have a Java bridge. So that is a little bit of inhibitor for some of the, some of the tools, but maybe somebody will write some movie, you know, SPDX, like what is that, can be used for some of the others. The model is transportable. Exactly. So you can definitely, there's licenses. Oh, I almost forgot to mention this. I've been talking a lot about the tools in terms of the translators and displays and everything else. There's almost like a different set of libraries, different aspects of the tool, which is just related to the SPDX standard license list. If you want to programmatically go find the SPDX standard license, you want to programmatically be able to understand what's in that license, what the text of the license list, what the title of the license list, what the URLs are. There's a set of libraries that are implemented into the SPDX tools that will allow you to do that. And it actually, it's actually pretty pretty sophisticated. It will go against the, the, the actual website that stores the licenses.  Behind that, there is an implementation in RDF that can be parked. And these libraries are basically a programmatic interface for those parts licenses. Now there may be a situation. I mean, I do a lot of audits where I'm not allowed to access the internet. It's a real pain, by the way, but some people are very sensitive about the security around this source code. So I needed to have that offline. So in addition to that, the library has a copy of all those licenses locally so that, you know, but if it fails a connection to the internet, the tools will still work. So that's all implemented. It won't do, it won't do any kind of real time caching. There is a resource directory that stores it all. So you think you can do that manually, but it's really the updates to the tools that, that really, you know, download a new version of the tool when there's a new version. So the offline, you know, if you're using it offline, you do have to be careful that you're using the most recent version, you know, of them. But the user can update that directly. You don't have to, it's nothing, that's hard coded in Java. And it's basically download the archive file of licenses and dump it into the resources, you know, directly. And I mentioned the license comparison functions that are not set to the comparison. If you are interested in using the Java, there's really two starting points at point two. There's a class called the spdx document that's the top of the model for spdx documents. If we were to find that spdx packages, licenses, spdx files, checksums, all those things that were in that other diagram can be created from this class. So go look at this and you'll find different ways to open or create. So basically, if you point it to an existing URL on the web page or RDF, or an existing file, it'll be able to open and read it. Similarly, for the license functionality, there's an spdx license info factory. And what you can actually, there's two different main interfaces to this. One is to basically create licenses, but you can also pass it strings that are in the standard spdx format, and it'll basically parse that string for you. And it'll be able to detect if it's an spdx standard license, a non-standard license, keep track of the non-standard license IDs, all that stuff, and be able to hand you back to the right license. So that's for the programmers in the world. That's for the three quarters of the Java program. What's next? You know, actually, this isn't as important as it used to be. Personally, I'd love to have the tools online because I like to see them be unique. It's really hard to download a jar file and type in all the command lines to be able to use it.  So it may not be as important as it was before. The HTML viewer would be really nice to enhance and make that look a lot better. It's very flat. You have to scroll a lot to be able to look at it currently. I've been asked to provide a JSON format for the license website, you know, so that's how the list of things can do this, and people that would like to use that as a good CRGF. I guess a good idea is a very popular format to be used. And then it's whatever you guys would like to see. So, and again, when we get to the last part of the discussion, make it much more, I'd like to see if you guys have ideas on what you'd like to see in the spdx.  So I won't ask that now because I wanted to say that for the very and the very important access discussions on that. Okay. So see, do I have one slide on this one? It's important. It's all open source. There's a git repository that has the tool. Contributions, suggestions are welcome.  If you just have a few small improvements that you, you want to make, feel free to email me a pass pot or just let me know the idea or the suggestion. We do have a defect website that you can go to, a bugzilla, and you can feel free to sign up and contribute to that. Did I mention we need a maintainer for the spdx tag? So I feel like I got to change you to a different person now. So this is a different presentation. And again, I'm going to make this relatively brief because if I, if I spend too much time on this, I'll expose some of my biases. But this is a, this is just a landscape of the tools. And I think this is something that came up with the business team. I think Scott, you mentioned this, is it would be nice at the Linux collaboration summit to, to basically be able to review all the tools that are out there that support spdx. So the support that we sent out a survey about two months ago, and we asked everybody in the spdx organization to please tell us any tools you have, any tools you know of, any, you know, even remotely know of that support the spdx, whether they're open source or commercial. And I just have a few slides here that present the results of that survey. This is the summary. So these are all the tools here. If you're curious about the order, these are the order they submitted them. So the people that were really fast. But by the way, I got to say though that the, this is set up on the UNO site of all the cosmology that's got there first. But that's the order of them. The license that they have, you'll see it in, you know, pathology, PPL, the spdx tools sort of patching, three bsd for the dashboard, as Matt mentioned. And these are all the different commercial tools that are there. The other thing we asked in the survey is are these tools intended for production or consumption of the of the spdx? Most of them today are production with the, with the fuel that are consumed. But what I found interesting on the commercial side especially is a lot of the consumption is in development. Because you know, when you think about a tool that's primarily scanning and identifying the sources of it, you think okay, they're going to be producing, but there seems to be an interest now on the commercial side of being able to import the results, whether it's to compare against the finding or just to be able to bring it into the workflow within the own tool, those are those are actually planned in many cases as well. And then the last question we asked is, is this something that you intend to be fully automated, turn key, push the button and it's done? Or is this something that's more toward being used by an expert where it's really not intended to be a tool to assist in the analysis? So like in my case, the source order of the tools, you know, you need training to be able to use it. It's really intended for somebody to do the manual process and be able to assist that. But there's other tools that are really more of a website tool where you can go in and you can look at the information and it displays it in a format that gets compatible. Those are, those are much more fully automated. So I'll, you can look over the results there. Oh, I'm sorry, I shouldn't be using that. That should be as to get more tools like this one. And that's when, yes. And I actually have the detailed slides here. And we've already gone over the passology tool. So I won't go into more details here unless you ask me to pause dashboard. And the media reporter pause here because we haven't talked about this one. And you can see the integration pieces that they have available. Just to give you an idea of the format, the thing, format of the slide for all of these, just the description as described by the survey respondents. And in some cases, like here, it didn't fit. The full packs of the replies are in an appendix to the slide that are on the website for the collab summit. So if you need, if you have trouble finding that, just let me know. I'll email you a copy of it. But do refer to that, you know, if you want to get some more information in terms of the background and the tools. And of course, the most important is how do you find more information from the URLs, Black Duck, in terms of what they're doing, the integration pieces. They mentioned they use the libraries and have contributed back to the library creation as part of their integration with the STDF. So I don't know if you guys want to add anything. And these two people right here can give you more information. So in here, STDF, say, I got the workers on the slides and I already talked about that. The tools that my company produces, OpenLogic Exchange, we do have the representative of the logic back there. I don't gather any more information. You guys getting those kind of protocols. Another contributor, by the way, to the STDF libraries, especially on the tag value side. Thank you. And STDF's cloud, the wind river, I believe. So we talked about some of the pieces of that. And that's as far as the