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One payment, $79.99, lifetime access to both of those programs. Once again, it's mapsmarch.com. All right, here comes the show. So I had a really unique experience, actually quite serendipitous. I'm on the plane on the way over here, and there was a gentleman sitting next to me. We started talking, Carlos is his name, and we started talking about business and he told me how he just sold his pool supply company for it was producing over a billion dollars in revenue and how he's gonna be set, his wife's gonna be set, his kids and grandkids, and he was so proud. And then he asked me what I was doing, coming over and I said, I'm actually on my way to interview Tony Robbins and his face totally changes. And he goes, that's crazy. He goes, you wanna hear something weird? And I said, yeah. And he goes, when I was 26, so he's 56, right? He goes, when I was 26, he goes, I was going down the wrong path and I bought some VHS tapes with Tony Robbins and he goes- Slightly dating you.  And he says, those tapes changed my life's trajectory. And he goes, it was that point that brought me to where I'm at now. And I was blown away for a couple of reasons. One, because what are the odds, right? And two, I've heard other people say this about you and the question I've always wanted to ask if I ever met you was, what is it about you that does this to people? What is it about what you say or do? Because it's really- I don't think it's me. I just think it's, I've been obsessed, my entire life with how you increase the quality of people's lives. And I just love people. It sounds ridiculous, people don't believe it.  And my average day is 12 or 13 hours when people be thrilled with three hours. Most people won't sit for a three hour movie and I'm keeping them completely engaged in a stadium of 15 or 20,000 people. And by the time you've done two or three, four days like that and they've had huge breakthroughs, people there. So I think there's a unique level of energy and caring and commitment in this category that I have. And I've also just never stopped growing and learning. It's like, I love to learn.  But about 2008, I started to decide, I really wanna go super deep at a different level. And part of what triggered me was the abuse that happened in the financial markets. And I've coached a gentleman named Paul Tudor Jones, one of the top 10 traders in history for about 24, 25 years now.  Somebody pays you sizable seven figures to do something each year, you gotta over deliver. And so I've learned so much, but I thought, I think what I know best is success leaves clues. I've always studied patterns. Like what is it that makes something work or not work? Like you guys know the patterns of, I'm gonna overly simplify, I apologize, but let's just say fitness. You know there are certain patterns that will give you much greater results than others, right? You've done the homework, you've proven it in your own bodies, you're living it, you're living examples of it. So I've tried to do that in all these areas as well. But I started with finance and I went and interviewed, I wanted to help people who were losing half of what they had. So I interviewed Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett, I had access, but I'm really good at synthesizing and making it simple and actionable. Cause my whole thing is when I was a kid, I'd made things so complex, I think so I felt intelligent or maybe I should have proved myself to other people. I don't know what I did in my 19, 20, 21, 23, 25 ages. But what I really learned is complexity is the enemy of execution. The more complex, the less likely anybody puts it through. So it takes a how a lot more time to take something complex and make it simple so that people, oh, that makes sense and where they can act on it. And so I did that with that, to number one, New York Times best sellers which I was thrilled with, but I was more thrilled with is seeing the economic changes and I've gotten to meet all those people and hear those changes and I do business programs. And so I get to hear the stories like you hear all the time, which really touches my heart. But health, it's always been my piece. I had to, I had to be a biohacker to do what I do.  So I already had a lot of biohacking. If you go to my house here, I have hyperbaric oxygen upstairs. I got my cryotherapy units, I've got lasers. I got every biohack you can imagine because I need it. But what really triggered me this time was like, I think I can take and show people what's happening in genitive medicine because we're in the middle of where everybody feels like COVID and the world's ending. Right at the same time, we're having some of the greatest breakthroughs in history because we're made of code, right? So now I'm sure you guys know about gene editing and gene therapy. But I mean, we got a kid that was on America's Got Talent to now concede again because of gene therapy. You know, people with sickle cell anemia that have been cured for the first time. And so there's so many breakthroughs. And so, but what augmented it for me and one of the reasons I really went for it in this area now and answer your question is it's, I care so much. I have the best content I can possibly find because I'm constantly updating. I think the same as you guys. And third is I go until I get the results and I just won't give up, you know? So I can turn people around. I've had 50, what is it? I don't know how many now, but it's, I don't know, did you guys see I'm not your guru? Yeah, yeah. So you saw people where, for example, that were suicidal and knock on wood after all these decades and thousands of people, I'm able to do it successfully again and again and again and again because I understand human psychology. I know what to make things shift. But in the health area, I've had experiences where I was scared to death of cancer early on. Like I became successful at a fairly young age.   But then my brain started to go, well, maybe I'm doing this so young because I'm gonna die young.  At least it did for me. And I was not good in those days at handling it. And so I started dreaming about not getting hit by a car, but by wilting away of cancer. And then you think about it enough for sure and it ends up in your life. And it's first and then physically with me. First, it was my girlfriend. I was like just turning 20, I think late 19. And she comes in crying uncontrollably and says, my mother, my mother. And at the end of the story is, her mother was told she had cancer in nine weeks to live. And if it didn't me, I might not have kicked in gear because I might have been too fearful. But when it's somebody you love, you know, most of us do more for somebody we love than ourselves. And so I kicked in gear and said, look, you know, my whole belief is Jim Rohn taught me success leaves clues. If someone succeeds at something, they're not lucky. What do you guys do different with your body? It's not luck. You've earned it. You've done something different, but you've done it with precision or it wouldn't get that result. So I was like, okay, there are lots of people that have stage four cancer, thousands and they're alive. I said, I'm gonna do homework, we're gonna find this.  And so I kicked in gear and then I found this book from a guy that had pancreatic cancer. It was one of the most deadly cancers you can get. And 13 years, 12 years later, he writes this book and he's totally healthy. And he described what he did to detox his body, pancreatic enzymes. So I went to this woman, her name was Jenny in her early 40s. I said, Jenny, I know you don't want to die.  So why don't you read this book?  Yours is nine weeks. Side, if you want to do this. And then he gave her, as a man, think of the kind of manager brain or mind and emotions. And anyway, long story short, she had a tumor that was protruding on her back and one in her feminine organs. And after two, three weeks of this, she felt good, her energy was great. After about 10 weeks, you couldn't see or even feel the tumor here. And so at one point they did exploratory surgery because you've outlived the piece. And they found the only left was the size of the end of my pinky's fingernail. That was it. And the doc says, this is a miracle. And she said, it is a miracle, but let me tell you what he did. He goes, no, it's just a miracle. She's alive today in her 80s, 40 years later. And that kind of took me from, at the effect of the health side to doing my own version of what I think you guys do, which is constantly finding the very best tools to make this body the strongest it can be so I can serve and have this great quality of life for myself and my family and the people I'm out there for. And so it kind of freed me and thank God because about 12, 13 years later, I'm 32. How old are you guys again? You're in your early 40s? 40s in. So I'm 32 years old. I'm top of my game. I'm working on the best people on earth, Olympic athletes. I'm just, I'm feeling like, wow, life is so blessed and I'm taking care of my body. I'm cranking and I got great kids and great everything. And then all of a sudden I'm a helicopter pilot. So I go to, every two years you have to get another physical, simple physical. I get the physical, I leave and then I keep getting these calls and my assistant says the doc wants to talk to you. I said send me the report.  And I'm leaving to go to South of France for an event and then what happens? I get home at 12, 13 in the morning and there's a note there taped to my door that says from my assistant saying you must call the doctor, it's an emergency. So then what happens in your head? Yeah, fear. I mean, I'm just like, my body's gotta be per, how could this be? And then you go, well, I fly all the time. Could the radiation be there?  But at that stage of life, I found my center where I was like, you know, a courageous person dies once. The coward dies a thousand deaths in their minds. So it's like, let me see what it is. Wake up in the next morning, call the doc and he says, you got a tumor in your brain. I'm like, what? And I was like, I came, there's nothing wrong with me.  I said, how could you possibly know that? And he says, well, you know, I kind of gathered that you have a lot of growth hormone. Yeah, how'd you figure that? My hand's bigger than your face. I grew 10 inches in one year.  He goes, but I did this blood test and it confirms it. And you need to do an MRI and we need to do surgery immediately.  I'm like, wait a second, what's the prognosis on this?  He said, well, you know, we have to inform you you can die, but it's not likely. But your endocrine system will probably never be the same. And you won't have the kind of energy that you're probably used to. I was like, well, that's my life.  And he was really busy and now, you know, Mayo Clinic has proven useful for your audience to know. 2017 did a study with 286 people. And now they tell everybody to get a second opinion because they found only 12% of the time is the first and second opinion the same. That means 88% of the time it's different. Did not know that. Wow. And so now they recommend and they now believe you get two or three opinions that refines the diagnosis and you're more likely to succeed in transforming something. I didn't know them then, but I knew because of Jenny and because of other things I read, I need another opinion.  This guy's full of it, right? You know, I'm totally healthy. I flew to South of France, I did this event and then back of my head, it just wouldn't stop. So I came back, did the MRI, tumor there. Some of it swallowed up on its own. They can't explain how, but still they're pumping all this growth hormone into me. And so I'm like, I'm gonna try something different. I'm gonna go to an endocrinologist rather than a surgeon. So I went to see an endocrinologist one of the best in the world in Boston. Completely different guy. Like the nicest human being in the world. Yes, Tony, you have it, but don't do the surgery. That'd be insane. It's too risky.  There's this new injection. You do it twice a year and I have gigantism. That's what it's called. And what happens is it keeps your arteries from getting too big so you don't have a heart attack. I said, but my arteries are fine. You told me that they're actually perfect in size. He goes, that's true. I said, why would I do this?  I said, well, what if I'm already certain? I said, I wanna be stupid, but couldn't I just measure once a year? And if there starts to be an increased deal with them? I said, just to be certain, you should do this. I said, but I'm not certain that there won't be side effects from the drug. He was super nice. He goes, and I said, and the surgeon wants me to cut. He goes, the baker wants to bake. The surgeon wants to cut. I wanna drug you. He was really cool. He goes, so that's my preference, but I guess you could do it and measure it each year. So thank God I didn't do it. I never got to the US, stayed in Switzerland because they found it caused cancer. So I missed the bullet. And so thankful. And then I went to six other doctors and I finally met this doc who said to me, Tony, he goes, yes, you have a tumor and yes, you have this growth hormone. And he said, but dude, you do the equivalent of two marathons in a weekend or more and two days later, you're recovered. He goes, I've never seen anyone like it. He goes, I'm sure the growth hormones plan to roll with that. And he goes, I know bodybuilders that spend 1200 bucks a month to get what you give for free. So that was 32. I'm 62 in a couple of weeks. And those 30 years I've measured there's never been a problem. And I haven't lived with fear. I'm like, oh my God, what's gonna happen? And that's what I want people to know is if you educate yourself, there are other options. And it's not your doctors and great. I mean, doctors are the best people. I know this book is filled with doctors, but they're the best in the world at what they do. Not everyone's equal in anything, fitness, health, anything you can do. And you know, I try to explain it. It's like the half-life of medical education now, Cordon-Harvard is 16 to 24 months. Meaning 16, 24 months later, whatever they learned, half of it is worthless. That's how we end up with the opioid epidemic. Because who educates them now is the pharmaceutical salesman.  And then someone says, this is the perfect solvent. It's not addictive.  I mean, I feel for doctors, they give their souls, but they should be your coach and not your commander. And you need more than one opinion. So that's what's really helped me. And then lastly, finish the story, is why I'm here now and why I wrote this book now is I want to do this, anyway, I want to be 150 of the very best with Money Master of the Game, I'm gonna do Ray Dalio, Carl Eichon, Warren Buffett, the 50 smartest people literally in the world financially, all self-made billionaires, all started with nothing, nobody from the Lucky Sperm Club, like cool people, a lot of making friends. It's like, I'm gonna go 150 Nobel Laureate scientists, regenerative doctors, the best in the world. And that's what I did. But what really triggered me was one more challenge.  And regardless of age, a pro.  It was total disaster. I had a wife, I thought I broke my neck. The pain was so insane. And then what I'd actually have and I just tore it on my rotator cuffs.  Couldn't sleep more than an hour, two nights in a row. Then I found, do you know PEMF? Are you guys familiar with it? Pulse electronic, magnificent frequency. This one doc said, don't do the surgery. It doesn't always work. This will at least get the pain down while you find a better solution. And there's 3000 studies. It'll, like if you break a bone, it'll cause you to recover. It's an electrical charge, magnetic charge. The bone will recover about 50% faster than if you don't use it. So it took my pain to like a five, so I could sleep. But then I still needed a solution. So what do you got? You go to the doctors, surgery, surgery, surgery, surgery. What's, you know, what's the prognosis? Well, you may not be able to lift your arm above your shoulder. We have to warn you that, you know, could tear again. How much rehab? Four to six months. Four to six months with one arm. Four to six months with one arm. Four days on stage.  So, you know, I work with a lot of the greatest of all-time athletes in a variety of sports. They'll be very best. And like Cristiano Ronaldo, right? Supposed to be down for three months, did stem cells. It was done in two and a half weeks, back on, back playing again. So I looked at that and I was like, what about stem cells? And all the docs like, no, not for something like this. There's no way. It doesn't do it. It doesn't work. And then, you know, I'm hearing these guys say it saved their career. So I called Peter D. Montes, who's a MD from Harvard, but also a rocket scientist and friend of mine, a partner of mine in business. Who's the best in the world? Who can tell me the answers? And he said, you got to go see Dr. Bob Harari. He's a neurosurgeon, but he's the first guy that took old rats, you probably remember hearing this study 38 years ago, and he gave them young rats blood, and they became young again. Their hair got dark, their muscles got strong, and they took the old rats blood and put young rats when they got older. So it started the whole thing in Silicon Valley about young blood, you know, before you heard that stuff. But what they found was with stem cells. So he said to me, Tony, once you get 40, sorry guys, your stem cells drop off the cliff. Right, especially when you get into your mid and later 40s. And he said, so you're 53 years old at the time. He said, you know, if you're doing something like an elbow or something, maybe, but not your shoulder. And then all I left out that was important part. The last doctor I come to, I didn't know him.   I mean, 10 million dollars. He goes on and I hear all these beautiful stories, loving him. He goes, okay, now I'm so sorry, I'm so excited, but I got to be your doctor now. He pauses, takes a breath, and he looks at me and says, life as you know it is over. No. I said, well, you clearly didn't go to my communication seminar.  And then he pulls out my spine and I've been in pain for 14 years. And he goes, you have severe spinal stenosis. Let me show you this. You cannot run, jump, you cannot over lift, you cannot snowboard. He goes, because you do, and you could find yourself unable to walk again. And you know what I'm saying? Punches you in the gut and you're ready for it. No problem, but I wasn't ready for it. I'm usually pride myself on keeping my head together.  And but I wouldn't accept it obviously. So, Bapriari says, look, you need stem cells that have the force of life in it.  And he said, you need like four day old cells, not your cells. And I said, why don't want fetal cells? He goes, no, no, no.  And he's the first person, I'm sure you know that if you have a baby today they encourage you to consider saving it for the child. He's the one who created that. So he saved so many lives with this, amazing. But today you can get allogenic cells as a fancy word for cells from another source. And so I went down, I did three days of these, IV for just 20 minutes, that was it, and a shot. First day they told me I probably felt tired, I felt really tired. Second day I had a cytokine response. I knew what it was, so I didn't freak out, shaking and freezing for about 20 minutes. It's like, wow, this is intense. But I went to sleep and I woke up the next day. Not only was my shoulder perfect, by the way the MRI shows it's perfect, but my spine, I stood up with no pain in my spine for the first time in 14 years. So I became obsessed. I was like, okay, here's what I'm gonna do. I am gonna go learn everything about stem cells and then I realized it wasn't just stem cells, it's this revolution of regenerative medicine. And the end of the story is, so many people heard about what I did and so forth and I was asking everybody questions that the Pope invited me to come speak. The Pope every year, every two years rather, does a three day stem cell regenerative conference because he sees this as a gift from God. He brings in the doctors from all over the world who are the best. So I said, I'm happy to do the cleanup speech the last day, but I want the right to then come with all the doctors and attend all the sessions for three days. They let me do it, got an education of a lifetime. And I met two dozen people that were sent home, some to hospice, some just sent home to die because their cancers were so severe and they're alive today because they met Dr. Carl June, it is CAR T cells, or they met another and I started learning about all these different new therapies that most people have no clue about and how effective they are. I met Jack Nicholas there, grace of all time golfer. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes without unbearable pain. You can imagine being a guy your entire life through an athlete, now you can't even stand. And so they're gonna fuse his spine, which by the way, works less than half the time. And thank God he didn't do it. So he did stem cells and he's now 82 playing golf and tennis. So I was like, I'm gonna interview these people, I'm gonna find the best, I'm gonna deliver it. And so it's been a three year project and now I got this tome I delivered for people but the response to it's been off the chart and I'm donating all the money, by the way, just like my last three books, all that goes to charity, we're feeding 20 million meals. I feed, I fed 850 million people in the last seven years with a goal of a billion, so we're gonna hit that early. I'm using this book for that. And the balance of it goes to Alzheimer's and some top doctors in Alzheimer's for heart disease and cancer. Wow, that's phenomenal. Long story, I'm sorry, but I wanna give you an answer. I mean, I remember reading that in the book, so it's an incredible story, so I'm glad you shared it. But all the things that you've now experienced and gone through, if you were to go back earlier in your life, are there things that you would have actually started doing earlier related to the biohacking, all the biohacking stuff that you're vetting? Prevent your measures, yeah. No, because most of the things that I know today weren't available then. You know what I mean? Well, saying that, I'm thinking right now, like there's a 25 or a 30 year old that's listening and are there certain things that you would be doing now at 25 or 30 with that information now? Yeah, I would, and I'm sure that's a lot of your audience. I'll tell you one piece, be a little technical but I think I can make it simple. David Sinclair is probably the greatest longevity expert in the world from Harvard. You guys familiar with him? Yeah, so David's a good friend. And when I started doing research on this book, I mean, this idea that you could slow aging and then actually reverse aging, you'd want to do that as soon as possible, right? You'd want to start that process early. What really makes this break down? Well, it's not your DNA. You'll see the DNA at 26 as you do if you're 86 and your DNA is not your destiny. And scientists know this today. It's your epigenome that matters. So those 3.2 billion liters that make up the genes of your body from your mother and your father, that's like the plan. Think of it like the piano. The piano player is the epigenome. Epimene's above.  Your diet, your exercise, your lack of sleep, chemicals, any drugs you're taking and so forth. And it starts the process that early to start your body breaking down, we found out. Most people don't realize that. It just starts to accumulate. First, a lot of people accumulate more rapidly because of their lifestyle. So your epigenome is fed, this is where we get a little technical. I'm gonna give you three words. I hope your audience, you don't have to memorize it. It's in the book if they want, but it's helpful to understand. There are seven master genes called sirtuins. These master genes do two of the most important things in your life. The first thing they do is they turn on or off genes. So no matter what age you are, that's why cancer is being seen younger and younger. Heart disease, younger and younger. You're seeing some diabetes, younger and younger. That's more lifestyle.  And these master genes do that. And so when you're young and they get enough fuel, they operate real effectively. But again, depending on how much damage you do, accelerates that, right? Second thing it does is it reduces inflammation, which we all know that's the basis of breakdown in the body, right? And the third and most important thing is, you guys know the source of energy in every single cell is your mitochondria. It converts, helps the mitochondria convert food and creates the ATP, the fuel of your entire body. So serotones are pretty important, but they have a second task that when you're really young at 25, it's not a problem. But if you live poorly at 25, it'll accelerate what happens. And that is it has to also clean up your DNA. So just being exposed to radiation, just from chemicals, even if you're totally fit and healthy, there's lots of things we're exposed to and it starts to disrupt the DNA and disrupts the communication, which is what makes you break down. And so it goes in and cleans up your DNA for it. It's pretty important. But when the fuel source for these serotones, these seven master genes starts to get smaller and it starts in your 40s and at 50, it drops off the cliff. And that fuel source I'm sure you've heard of is NAD. Without an AD, the serotones can't do their job. At early 50s, late 40s, it drops by about 50%.  That's what happens in life. That's part of anything. It's what's happening in your body. Boom, seven billion liver cells are gone. Boom, seven billion new ones are created, right? But now as the staff gets older, there may be a little decrepit in their mind and you don't have the raw materials. Now your mansion starts breaking down, that's aging. So one thing that you can do early on is you can support the fuel source, NAD, but the precursor you probably know is NMN, never, mother, never. You need that precursor for the NAD, both to be made and to be absorbed effectively. And you can supplement NMN. In fact, a lot of people know about this and promote it. But when I was talking with David, we went out and looked at six different companies together and took them to the lab, no NMN in them whatsoever. And they varied from 35 bucks a month, 120 bucks. And I said to the lab guy, I said, are these people just thieves? And a lot of it comes from China as the original source. And he said, well, some people are thieves, Tony. He said, but more likely it breaks down in 30 to 45 days. So by the time somebody actually gets it, there's nothing in it. So David has his own NMN, which he's used to take himself from 53 chronologically to 33 biologically. I've done what he's done for less than nine months. I'm, like I said, I'll be 62 in a few weeks. And I'm 51 in my chronology. And I'm gonna get it to the 40s. And so if you did this younger, you just have more energy and strength. But here's the part you're 25 year olds are gonna love as well as you're 30 or 40 or 50 year olds. So David is obsessed and he's partners with a gentleman of the company called Metro Tech. And Metro Tech is a company that created a synthetic form, a crystallized form of NMN, it's its own molecule called MIB 626. And it doesn't break down, but more importantly, it absorbs at a whole different level. Like traditional NMN, if you actually get it, you'll get an absorption, maybe maximum 30%.  A 21 month old mouse can barely run a quarter of a kilometer. Whereas a young mouse can do four times that, full kilometer, full tilt, and then they're exhausted and they drop. You get the NMN for 14 days to an old mouse, 70 year old mouse, and it runs two to three kilometers, two to 300% as a young mouse after 14 days. That's how powerful it is. But then I went, when I first started this thing, it was like, not all my studies translate, right? So this part that's cool. So they built this crystallized version and I found out about it, I actually invested in it so I could learn more after I saw some of the initial results. But they have, it's just been revealed, it wasn't supposed to be, it's top secret. They've been working with our special forces for two years and out of Boston. And they just ended the study and the commander got so excited, even though it's top secret, he talked to somebody and it got in the press. It was in the Daily Mail about two weeks ago, what they know about it. And it was also in a paper in Boston. But in essence, I only tell you what he said, cause I can't reveal something that's not released yet. But what he said is, what we know about mice, and the fittest human beings that we have, we've seen the same result. Meaning, their endurance has exploded to levels he's never seen in these men and women and all the training he's ever done. Their muscle development, you guys will love, exploded with the exact same stimulus. They didn't increase the stimulus, greater muscle development.  But the best part was cognition. Cognition exploded. And when your special forces and you're exhausted, the problem is your energy affects your brain, and their cognition under pure exhaustion was higher than they'd been able to measure before. And then I met through the owner, he's got a gentleman that was, I think he stopped playing world-class chess at 60 cause his cognition just couldn't keep up. He's 72 now, he's been doing this and now he plays world-class chess again. So what's cool about this is, the FDA is following this simultaneously. And so, you know, FDA goes through phase one, two and three. So they believe that, because they've already done the safety and they've already done efficacy, they think they're gonna be in stage three trial soon, which means they hope with an 18 to 24 months to have this. It will not be a nutraceutical. It'll be an actual approved drug by the FDA and 300 to 400% absorption instead of 30%. Wow. Now, will this be available over the counter only as a prescription? Prescription. You have a great doctor to get it. Now, NMN is to increase NAD. Why not just supplement with NAD? Why NMN? Well, you can, but the size of the molecule, when you talk to David, like, you know, I've done NAD, you know, IVs, I'm sure you guys probably have as well, right? Kind of useful, but it's not absorbed at the same level. You need it for its absorption. And there's other ones. There's something right now called NAD3 you probably have heard about. There's some special formulas of that, which are other forms of precursors that you can do right now and it can enhance the experience of any NAD you have or any NMN you have as well. So I take advantage of that as well. There's a guy named Dr. Hector Lopez is genius. He uses AI to analyze, you know, various nutrients and their combinations and impact. He's one of the leaders in the field and he developed this NAD3. Well, this makes sense. I know with certain supplements that the bodybuilding community we use to increase nitric oxide, they used to take arginine, but it gets destroyed in the gut. So people use citrulline, which converts to arginine, which then does the job. So it's very similar. Was there anything that really surprised you when you were researching some of the topics that you talk about in your book? Well, there are lots of things that surprised me. I'll take something that, when we did research before I wrote the book, I was like, I really want to know what people really care about at different stages of life. So we did extensive interviews, people in 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. And what blew me away was how many people in their mid to late 30s were worried about cancer. I was obsessed by it as a kid, but I was like, I never thought that would be true. And then a lot of Alzheimer's primarily because they've had a grandparent or a parent who's had it as well. It takes them personally. Yeah, so, and my father died of Alzheimer's. When somebody doesn't know who you are anymore, it's, you know, you don't forget that. It creates a concern. So there are diagnostics that, you know, at stage of life, when I was 35 or 40 of you guys, I probably, yeah, I kind of blew it off. Who needs the diagnostics and fitness can be, right? But the diagnostics today are a whole different level. Like people think about going to their doctor and tap on your knee and check your ear and cough, right? It was from 80 years ago. You wouldn't, you know, you wouldn't have a cell phone from 10 years ago. But today the diagnosis has gone crazy. So let's take an example like cancer. It's happening younger and younger. There's research today. All the people in the book, I tell their stories of these people, they all have something in common that made them create these breakthroughs. They lost somebody they love.  And if they would have caught it sooner, she would have survived. In fact, the Cancer Society now says that out of 100,000 people they've studied, if you get cancer at stage three or stage four, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer the 20% chance of living, but their larger point is it's much harder to turn around and they're right. If you get it stage one or two, you have between 80 and 99.9% chance of surviving. So you want to catch a deal. But the problem is most of the cancers that kill us are the ones we don't test for.  But the ones that get us, we find out usually it's stage three or four. I lost somebody like that, stomach cancer. And by the time she had side effects, it was already stage four. That's right. Because you don't feel anything until then. That's right. Check this out. He lost his wife, he's very wealthy guy from Google, hired thousands of researchers, built this entire company. And I think it took him, I don't remember how many years, just a ridiculously short period of time using his intellect and his contacts. He has built a single blood test that will show you 50 different cancers even before you have symptoms. And I'll just give you an example. We have these fountain life centers throughout the US and Abu Dhabi and so forth.  His wife pushed him to do the tests. He was only like 44 years old. And he's like, I'm fit and everything else.  He goes, I'm totally fine. She goes, no, no, I want you to do this. So sure enough, comes and we give him the grail test. It's called grail. And he's got kidney cancer. And, but it's so small, it's so early. It was an outpatient process took 20 minutes. He has no cancer. Wow. I mean, it's just like, and then there's another one you should know about. And again, in your mid 40s, you don't think about these things, but I encourage you guys because you're so fit and because you're so strong and you make such demands. You're incredible shape, I'm sure. But then there are things that are beyond what we know because they're genetic dispositions, right? So it's useful to know this stuff. Cause I've had friends in early 40s who are fit as cattle and they died and they're working out or another guy died playing tennis. And so you don't think that way. You think you're indestructible at the stage. So you don't have to have fear. You just say, listen, we're all overly optimistic. We have no clue what's going on inside here. We know what's going on outside.  But just like your friend with the stomach cancer, right? Well now what's the number one killer men and women? It's heart disease, right? So my buddy's called me, my doctor. I have a partner named Dr. Bill Cap and he built 12 hospitals and did that for 20 years.  There's this revolution that's happening. I want to be at the edge of that revolution of precision medicine. So he sold those hospitals and he built these centers with us. He's just a brilliant man. And he's one of those completely understated guys. There was no hype in this man whatsoever. And he calls me up in his way of deliverance and says, Tony, I really want you to come down to the center because there is this new breakthrough. I'd have to say, without overstating, it's one of the most important breakthroughs in cardiology in 10 years. And you know how my heart's strong as can be. I've got nothing to worry about. But he goes, I really think it should come. Here's what it is. Most people do a CT scan. And he said, what are they looking for? Plaque, right? But plaques are not the same. Calcified plaque is hard. I mean, you're actually healed. But soft plaque can break off and make you a widowmaker, they call it, right? Give you a heart attack or give you a stroke at any age. Certainly mid 40s, early 40s or 50s. And he said, I really think you should come see this because what they did is a lot of times, it's so hard to read. People have false surgeries, all kinds of challenges. He says, it's just the best that was available. But as of today, and we're the first coming at exposure, but it'll be available everywhere. This thing called a CCTV scan. It uses AI.  And they can predict a heart attack five years in advance. And they, but more importantly, they tell you what to do to get rid of it to change it. So this was like less than six months ago. I'm finishing up the book. And you know, when you're writing a book, I'm sure you guys have experienced this with your work. It's like the last minute you've earned 50 more things you've done to put it in this thing. That's why it got so big. And so my father-in-law is just turning 80, my wife's father, beautiful man, started his own business when he's really young, self-educated, lumber business.   And all that stuff.  I could just see, you know, when somebody's psychology changes, their emotion, their energy changes. So I was thinking, how can I help him?  I said, it doesn't take long. But I think we should go. And I said, you know, both we're at a stage of life where we're gonna have some of this soft, you know, tissue here that we got to get rid of. But they'll tell us exactly where it is. They'll tell us what to do to get rid of it. The soft plaque? Why don't we do this? It's okay. So I take him with me. My father-in-law has zero soft plaque in his body. His heart is solid as a rock. I mean, this guy, like I'm better than I was five years ago and I'm really doing good, but he didn't have any. I mean, and it was like completely changed him. And then there's this cool technique that we use called relief, which I've done for some of the best athletes in the world who think they have a career ending problem. So I had this ankle problem from being a crazy guy on stage, torqued it.  Don't touch the ankle because it would shoot this fire off this like electrical shock in me. So I went there. And when I first heard about this stuff, they use ultrasound. They see your connected tissue. They see where the circulation is not getting there or if a nerve is trapped and they put amniol fluid just gently into it and the fluid opens everything up and the nerve pops back in place. Took 15 minutes. Come here and smack the heck out of my ankle now. Not a problem. So pops is there with me, right? And he's got, what makes you feel old is you don't move as well or you move and you're in pain and you had this huge hip problem and couldn't walk right. And so you start feeling frail. So it pops as long as you're here. Why don't you try this, you know, relief process here. 30 minutes later, they find two specific areas in his hip. They repair those two areas. They open it up with the fluid. An hour later, he's walking like silk. So we get on the plane. This is my favorite experience with him. He's like this and he looks at me and he goes, you know, Tony, those people talk about living to 110, 120, I don't know about that stuff. But you know what? My heart is perfect. I walk perfectly. I can live another 20 years. You've only been married to my daughter for 22 years. That's like another lifetime. His entire psychology has changed.  You do them and you have peace of mind. You do them. It's like I always tell people, ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is pain. Ignorance is poverty. Ignorance can be death, you know, if you don't know. And so these are some of the tools that are out there that are really critical. Well, not to mention, we know the power of the mind too, right? So just changing his psychology has to have tremendous benefit in itself. Huge, huge. What do you think it's gonna take to shift our, I guess our traditional medical system away from, you know, treating an issue that happens to being preventative. So a lot of what you're talking about is preventative before and it's, and it could save us a tremendous amount of money and lives, what do you think it's gonna take to move to that direction? Well, even ones that aren't preventative, these were generation tools and some of them like, say, CAR-T cells. Yeah. CAR-T cells, you know, they had immune therapy back before chemotherapy. That's how long it's been around, but they didn't have it mastered and, you know, they pretty much fell to the wayside. When Dr. June, who created CAR-T cells, came along, he was like, nobody would listen to him. He couldn't get any funding. He was down to his last like $100,000 in his lab and then he took this man on to try everything else and in one session of gene therapy, you know, CAR-T cells, putting these super cells, your cancer often doesn't, your body's immune systems, T cells don't recognize the cancer. That's why it grows. So this attaches so they can recognize it. Oh, I see. It was a huge breakthrough, but everybody was super skeptical and it was super expensive to say the least to do initially. And the first guy he did was supposed to die and he melted in, I think it was two weeks, seven pounds of tumor and came out with nothing there. Then no one thought it would last. They needed an 11 year old kid. So last week in nature, it just came out, you know, cancer doctors never talk about cure, but it's been 10 years and those super-charged cells are still inside them. So what's happening is it's happening simultaneously. You have so much momentum on the old system, but you're getting breakthroughs that are here and then some of them, because of the technology price, you know, things increasing and dropping in price, they're starting to get really within range or cheaper and instead insurance companies start to get involved and that's what's gonna probably change the system. Like I'll give you an example. There's a tool for not your audience, but they probably have someone that maybe they love, a grandmother, grandfather, like Parkinson's. If you've ever seen them in Parkinson's, they can't even hold a glass. And so I went and watched this one in the first treatment and there's this new technique, it's called incisionless brain surgery. They alter your brain without doing, using super-powered ultrasound. And it takes them about, it's an outpatient treatment, takes them about an hour and a half to find the spot that controls the tremors and then they treat it in 15 seconds. Have you ever seen somebody get those audio implants and they can hear for the first time and they're crying control of it? I watched this woman who was on 15 medications, couldn't walk across the room shaking, couldn't hold a glass of water, get up, walk across the room perfectly. They handed her a glass of water, she reached out, didn't even realize and drank the water and then just burst into tears. That was two years ago. A month ago, she just did a 50-mile bike ride. And this is all outpatient. So it's just like, so it's available now in a hundred hospitals and insurance now covers it. So it's like those things are coming. The biggest thing is gonna be economics and results. And as the economics drop, we'll see that change. But guys like us that are more bio-hackers we're at the front line. It's like, I'm old enough to remember, you probably don't get too young, but I had the original Motorola stem, or what do you call it, cell phone. It was two feet long. The brick. It was a foot long, weighed two pounds, cost me four grand back then, it'd be like 10 grand today. And you had to charge it for six hours so you could get 30 minutes to talk to us. Now you went by your Apple phone, it's free if you pay for, you know, to get a service contract. And it's got a hundred times the power of what took the Apollo to the moon and back, right? So that's how fast it's changing right now. And gene therapy, another one, I mean, it is really changing the field. But the price is still high in gene therapy, but it's cheaper, like the average person for cancer depends on the type of cancer, it's taking a quarter of a million dollars and a half a million dollars. So when the numbers are less and the side effects are less and more people know about it. And that's part of what I'm trying to do, give people things they do right now, simple things, easy acts, any human do don't cost you anything. And then here are the things where a small investment in your health could change you radically. And then here are the things that if you got real trouble, you could do, and here's the things to prevent it by doing some intelligent diagnostics. Oh, that's excellent. How much time do you devote personally to your health and performance?  That's someone nice of you. I, you know, I train like a crazy person, but I train more for endurance because that's what I need most. I used to, like when I was in my 20s and 30s, I wanted to be as jacked as I could be. And I did, but I didn't do it right, like I'm sure you guys do. So I was always injured. And so I'll be on stage and I'd have these injuries. I was like, what do I really want from my health? And I remember I was 32 and I was like 33. And I was like, I want a level of energy that no one can imagine, that when they're, when everybody else is gone and exhausted, I can go 10 times as much. So I have all kinds of training. I have every tool you can imagine in my toolbox to maximize, to reduce inflammation. And then what I do for a living is crazy. I mean, think about it. I'm burning 11,300 calories a day. That's insane. How do you recover? Well, that guy over there helped me. I get in my oxygen chamber, I get in my cryotherapy. Well, your training looks a lot like a professional athlete in season, right? It's more about- You know the only difference is, I don't have an off season. Now that's what Billy told me. He's like, all the athletes that were going to have an off season, there's no off season.  Yeah, how do you not get burned? All these years doing this, not having an off season, given all that energy all the time? Because it's what I'm made for. And because it's the most reward, like the story you heard, I'm touched by it, but I hear it every day. I got a neighbor that's moved down the street and one of my other friends is selling him a top security company. He asked for, you know, it's companies like a, I don't know, $200 million company. This guy's got a $2 billion company and he's having lunch. My friend came to see me and he goes and has lunch with this guy to feel him out before they do the deal.  You come down to visit on floor and he goes, yeah, I was visiting a friend who's actually a neighbor. He goes, Tony Robbins. He goes, Tony Robbins, I started my business. I was totally broke. I told my wife, I listened to these things. We're gonna start this, you know, this business, security business. Now it's a $2 billion business, you know? So I love hearing all those stories, but I also get to see it in real time. You see people transform. And so it's a virtuous cycle. I pour everything into them, but then people are so generous when their lives change, they pour it back. And so there's this cycle of energy that's different. Now, am I still exhausted? Yes, I'm like, I'm perfect. And I get off stage at the time I've driven home and now I'm doing it from nearby. All the lactic acids in my body and I look like I'm 80 years old. But we go detox, cleanse the body, do all those things and build back up and go rock and roll again. And it's so fulfilling. It's like, what could be more fulfilling? I don't have a work a day in my life. I don't need the money or anything. It was like, but I need the meaning, the sense of meaning that your life matters. I know you guys know that because that's why you do what you do.  And I've heard that a lot about you. Why do you love people so much? I've heard that about you so many different times. It stands out in fact. I don't know why I do it. I just, when I was a little kid, my mom has now passed away, but people would say, you know, was he always like this? And she said, I'll tell you a story and she used to tell people the same story. So I know it well. She goes, I barely remember it, but I do remember it. But we lived in the hood in LA and we lived on a commercial street and it was a pretty unsafe place. But my mom was pregnant with my little brother and there was a liquor store next door. And so, you know, we'd go get bread and milk there. And I was doing it at four and a half years old, five years old, going across there. And my mom said, I sent him one time to go get bread and milk. And I was gone, I guess, for a long time. And I finally came back and my mom says, where's the bread and milk? I said, well, there's a poor boy there. So I gave him our money. Oh, wow. And she said, we're poor. So I don't know, I'm just, you know, I'm wired with compassion.  And he said, Tony, you're not, I thought this guy's so full of it.  Now everybody's casual. Casual every day. Casual every day. But you wore a suit. I wore a three-piece suit, doing a fire walk, right? But I was up there on the stage and he goes, Tony, I've watched you up there. And he goes, I watched the sweat coming off you. And I watched your tie get redder and redder.  Can jump and do this stuff. I guess I could do it too. So people start out very skeptical, but after a while, you can't fake it four days and five nights and I can't make it for 40. This is my 45th year doing this stuff. Starting when I was 17.  So I would love for you to take me on the kind of journey and evolution of money in your life. Like, how has that changed? You know, I know I came from not very much and I had a bad relationship with money when I first got it. Did you experience some more things or what was it like for your journey? I had four different fathers and my mother was a little bit crazy. I wouldn't be who I am without her. It was an incredible soul. But when she took alcohol and prescription drugs, she got insane. And so I had to become a practical psychologist first to deal with things. But what I didn't understand was all the arguments because we didn't have money for food. That's why I feel 100 million people a year, 100 million meals a year is like, it's not because I'm such a nice person. I know what suffering feels like. So I started feeding two families when I was 17 and four and eight. But back in those days, it was pretty rough. And so all the complaints when she divorced my fathers was, they didn't take care of us.  And you know, I got older to realize if it wasn't money, they would have argued over something else. It's just that money was one of the reasons and it's not the real reason. It's usually something deeper. But I went out and made a lot of money in a young age, like I told you in 19, I'm making more money than most people would ever dream of. And I did it by doing something I believed in that was so valuable and people were willing to pay for it. But then I'd go back to my buddies I grew up with and like, I'd say, let's go, let's, let's fly to Egypt and let's race camels between the pyramids. And she's like, she's like, did you really do that? Did you really do that? No, you did not. You race camels this way. I'm not comfortable. You don't race camels.  They're not good. They're silly stuff. That's the original bucket list right there. But the response I got was not your response. The response was, oh, easy for you. Now you have all this money. And I'm a love bug, right? So what I really want is love. And so I knew I can see it now what happened. It's like, I was like, I'm not about money. I said, I'll pay for it. Yeah, you'll pay for it. And I got rid of all the money. I didn't do it consciously. I just started sabotaging myself. Cause what I really wanted was joy and love and friendship. But I wanted everybody to have a great time and have a great life.  I wasn't what I was about. But it was so harsh and I felt so judged. So I lost everything. I went totally broke. I moved into this little apartment in Venice, California. It was 400 square feet.  You know, washing the dishes and cooking there. I washed the dishes in the bathtub, literally. And then I started, I never did drugs because people in my life when I was a kid did drugs were really intensely abusive physically. And I experienced that. So I never did that. But I used to do like a drug.  And I used to make fun of people. I used to sit and watch TV.  And then I hit this time where I hit a threshold. I lost, I'd lost everything. I was so broke. I remember the day I was driving home. I've shared people's story before but I was driving home my little 260Z Datsun along Pacific Coast Highway going towards Venice. And I ran out of gas. And I didn't run out of gas because I forgot to fill the tank. I ran out of gas because I had no money for fuel. And I pulled over and locked the car and prayed they didn't tow it because I had one towed before and I couldn't in fact pay for 40 or 60 bucks to get it out of the tow place. And I walked home and as I walked home, it's getting dark. And I lived on Pacific Avenue, 25 to 16 Pacific Avenue, apartment 3A. I walked up the steps and I get to the top of sun setting, I barely see and there's a note stapled to my front door. And I don't know if any of the boys have ever had this experience in your lifetime but it's a document, it's called Quitter Claim. It says, remove yourself and your things, pay your rent or remove yourself or the sheriff will do it in three days. So it's my victory notice.  Not because I was spiritual cause I also had not paid the electric bill. It's a true story. It's a true story. I had not paid the electric bill. So I'm reading my candle light, my addiction notice and going, what the, you know what? I was so angry. And then if that wasn't enough, it's like, God has your way with you. You know, it's like, there's a knock on the door, a knock on the door. Like, I owe people money everywhere. I'm on the second floor of this little place.  You know, I got three walks on the outside here and I'm looking through the, and it's a guy I haven't seen, a friend of mine in probably two years and he's a good guy, but it's like, I was so humiliated. You know, I was 38 pounds heavier.  And I'm just, and I'm in this little room. I'm smaller than the corner of this room over here. Right? I had a bed and I had a desk and that was it, right? And so I opened the door. What do you want? And he's like, looks at me. Anyway, he came in, what the hell happened to you? I was like, what are you talking about? I live near the beach. I love it here, you know? And he's like, so when he left, something in me snapped. And I'm like, I didn't know I was doing back then, but like instincts, now I know physiologically I was doing.   I'm gonna run till I can't, my heart's beating out of my chest. And now I know I was changing physiology with changes in biochemistry and changes the way you think. But yeah, I'm old enough, I have this Walkman.  Do you have a Walkman?    And I went to the beach. I took this journal, I set it down. And I, you know, in those days, you didn't have 10,000 songs. You had one album, maybe.  You get a little cassette tape, right? And so I had this group called Heart, and they had this song called Barracuda. I love that. I love Barracuda. So I'm on the beach. And I'm just, I'm just, and I'm completely out of shame. My stomach's going back and forth. And I went as hard as I could run. And when I thought I couldn't run more, I run harder.  And I got back to the journal, I draw a line on the page, wrote everything on the page I wanted to change and everything I was and everything I wanted to change. And then I started making the shifts. And so once I made the shifts in my psychology, I was like, okay, if I could be more spiritual, should I? Of course. If I could be more giving, should I? Of course. If I could be smarter, should I work to be smarter? Of course. Well, if I could have more money, should I? I was like, of course. And then so then I started changing my body. I lost 30 pounds and then 38 pounds and changed my emotions. And then I went in one year from making 38,000 was the most ever made in my life to $1.1 million. And the biggest trigger for me, it's different for everybody, was I suddenly had a son on the way that was not planned. And I'd always swore I would not have a child because of what I went through until I was wealthy. Well, I was inconvenient. And I did it in one year, I made this big jump. Then I made a million bucks a year for like seven straight years. Like once your brain adjusts, it's really amazing. I know you guys have got great abundance in your life you've earned, but I built four more companies. I remember I was in this place, I was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And I just traveled constantly. I didn't have a plane, right? So I'm flying commercial and those days I'm flying coach and I'm bigger than any chair they're gonna put me in. And they booked me in this place and like three different cities I had to go through to get to Milwaukee and it's snowy and ugly. It wasn't snowy, it was icy and snowy. And they booked somebody booked me into the Ramada Inn. This is not a bad thing, but this one was bad. And there's like all these animals on the wall and I was a vegan at the time and they're all mildewing and smelling and I go to the front desk and it's almost two in the morning but now we get there and the guy's like, Robbins, quick, quick, quick, quick, you know. Nope, you know what I mean? You know when you're on a plane and you've been flying forever and like those last five minutes when you're standing up, if they called you. I'm like, sir, I know you care and I need you to find my room really right now. I've had a full day. I gotta be up in four and a half hours. And it was my birthday and I'm away from my family. So in a long story short, I go upstairs. I get carried my own luggage and I have a bellman at that hour. He goes, but I'm gonna give you the presidential suite since it's your birthday. What do you think that looks like? At the Ramona Inn, right? I'll open it up. First, the smell hits you, the mildew smell. Next, orange and green shag carpeting, 1970s, right? But I was just, I called my family and this was a tipping point that changed my life financially because I was already doing well, but I had no lifestyle. And so I called back home, wanted to speak to my kids. It's late for them and they woke them up. But the woman answers is Maria who was my housekeeper and took care of my kids, really beautiful lady. And she says, Mr. Ravens, happy birthday.  This is so amazing. I've wanted to thank you so much. And by the way, I don't think I've, have you noticed what's happened to my body? I'm like, oh no, well yes Maria, what has happened? She goes, I have lost 32 pounds practicing what you teach. She says it's amazing.  And it was right after I had watched Oprah while I was on the stepper. And she said, I was thinking, I am so lucky. I live in this castle. This is amazing. And she goes, the last night I was sitting here jacuzzi, you know, looking down on the water. And I literally, this is a true story.  I don't know what the remodeling is, like traveling around, right? So that was the next level. Then I snapped and it was like, okay, I made a million bucks because I had a reason beyond me. I was like, what would take it to the next level? And it's different for everybody. I'm not saying it's right for everybody, but I'm driven by contributions. So there was this man who fed all the people in San Diego or fed a segment of the homeless people in San Diego. Brother Benner was his name and he made these breads.  He goes, I don't know. I said, go do your homework. I said, cause I want to fund that within three to four years. And he came back and it was three million bucks. And I was like, three million bucks, you know? That's a lot of money. And I made three million bucks the next year. And I funded it. And by the way, I went back like 20 years later, he's now passed away as a beautiful man. And they have four centers that were the original ones that I started there. They still feed people there. So then I got hooked on contribution. And I've certainly had lifestyle because who you spend time with changes how you think about things as well. And so I developed a different peer group. They were all billionaires. I was coaching different people. So, you know, I'm getting in their private jets and everything else and having this experience and thinking, I don't see any way I could ever do this. But I was wrong. It takes time. And I started to develop more skills and I started to figure out how to really run businesses. I have 105 companies now. I do $7 billion in business across all these ministries from entertainment to education to AI. And I know what to do in those areas. That's why I help businesses. That's one of my favorite things is turning businesses around and showing them how to grow a business. But along the way, I remember of my friend Peter Goober, I was with him on a trip and all these guys were saying, Peter's gonna be $25 million on this one film. And Peter doesn't talk about stuff like that. He's not driven by ego. But the other people are all talking about it. And I remember, I was like so depressed, like I could never make $25 million. I mean, and then they all had yachts. And I didn't even want a yacht, but I just felt like I didn't belong there. I don't know if you've ever had that experience. And then, you know, when I came out, I said, I don't really want a yacht. And I don't even want $25 million, but I want to make sure I can do whatever I want. If I wanted to, you know, I was feeding people already at that time. If I wanted to feed, I didn't think of a billion at that time, 50,000 people I want to be able to do that, you know? So again, I found my triggers. And then, you know, three or four years later, I'm having this year, you know, I made $50 million. And then I took a company back and made $400 million. And so, but what's interesting, when I got the $400 million, I was on stage in the Continental Center in New York, 15,000 people doing what I love. I was out of my mind. And during a stretch break, a guy came up and said, company went public, your stock's at $400 million. I'm probably one of my other assets. And I was like, that's insane. That's incredible. And then I went right back to what I was doing.  And I went home that night and I was actually depressed. I'm never depressed.  Well, you know, the three guys on the wall there, not Tom Brady, not him, but two Olympians over there, you just saw, they're friends of mine. When they came here to talk that day, they both talked about achieving the gold and then being depressed. And I'm old enough to remember, there was this thing called VH1. They had this thing called behind the music. And it was always a story. So it's like, you know what I'm talking about. It was always a story of a band that they needed to go to the teak and then somebody killed themselves or they got a car accident or owed us. It was always the same story. And the reason I was that way is I was not happy in my relationship. So here from my mom, I thought money was going to be the solution. I didn't want to ever get a divorce. But I was with somebody that was a good person, but we had almost nothing in common. And I had changed myself to pleaser. Like the guy you see on stage, I'm the same guy. But I go home and try to be more quiet, try to be this. And I was trying to be a pleaser. And it made me so miserable.  So I went back to almost nothing, because she got like eight times multiple on my companies. And there were small companies in those days that depended upon me. So I had to work, start over, work a whole nother period of time. The company I took public, that was 1999, stock dropped through the floor. So I literally was starting over at 40. But now I'm light years from where I was back then, you know, beyond where I was back then. And I'm grateful because, you know, I trust in a higher power and guidance and doing the right thing. I've learned so many things that, truthfully, I don't know if I would have been as driven. I still would be for impact because it's still a drive see, it's never been money. But my journey has been money's evil, money's the answer, money's evil. So get rid of it. People won't love you.   I've got braggers.  And I'm still the man I became. But I got to the point like, what's next? And then it was like, what's always driven me is contribution. So that's when I came up with like, okay, I called my team and I said, I was doing Money Mash for the game. And I'm into these billionaires, great guys. And then I watched Congress cut the budget on food stamps called SNAP program now. I think it was six billion if I remember right. It was the equivalent of everybody who needs food, giving up a week's worth of their food once a month, unless you and I, people from the general public, step in. So I said, how many people I've had this at 42 million? I didn't know it was 42 million. I was like, I'm gonna be proud. And I was like, what if I did that in a year instead of a lifetime? What if I fed 50 million people?  Then I was like, what if I fed a billion people in 10 years? And I got so excited and I was like, okay, I'll give all the profits in my book. That's not gonna be enough, but it's good start. And then I contacted Feeding America and became partners with them. And now seven years later at 850 million meals on the way to a billion. I'm actually doing a billion person X prize to have sustainably a billion people around the world. I've got the heads of the UAE who've partnered with me. I put up a million. They put up 19 million of a prize. So all these people are competing, smartest people in the world about how do we find excellent food sources. But then it was like, okay, I got a plane. Like what's my, I want to be conscious. It's a privilege, but I want to be conscious. What does that do? Well, I found out my burn rate was 3000 trees a year based on what I was doing. So I didn't just go buy credits. I bought them for 10 years, but I said, I'm gonna plant 100 million trees. So now I've planted 71 million trees. I went to India, much of these children die of waterborne disease. It's so easy to solve. So I was like, I provide a quarter of a million people a day with fresh water in India. Families, I'm trying to get it to a million. That's the goal.  And that's the place that I wasn't at at 40. So it's pretty hard to be at the 40. But if you guys continue to grow, you can pick whatever that version is for you. But I'll tell you, there's nothing like helping someone who can't even thank you.  It's a different world. What do you think is the number one thing you're misunderstood about? I don't try to get people sad. I think some people think I'm positive thinking and I never believed in positive thinking. I believe in intelligence. I believe in seeing it as it is, not worse than it is though, and then doing something about it.  That's it. So I think some people may think that about me, but I really don't think about or care.  You're wasting your time. I'm here for people that are looking for answers and are open, and I like to talk about ideas that matter to the people who care. That's kind of the approach I learned from my teacher, Jim Rohn, years and years ago. What are some of the most common ways people are in their own way? Because I know you work with a lot of people. Have you seen commonalities of reasons why people just get hit a block? Well, yes, there are many, but one of the largest ones is we all have the same need structures that we discovered by being around, I'm a student of patterns, and when you've been to 195 countries and all these cultures you start seeing, you see the same pattern in different cultures. People raise different same patterns, same emotions, same problems, and so I began to realize we have the same needs. We might have different belief systems. We might have different even values, but we have certain needs. Everybody needs certainty to some level. Some people value certainties, the number one thing, so they live a life differently. Some people, it's the sixth thing on the list. So it's still needed, but it's not as big a priority. We all need uncertainty. Without variety, we feel dead inside, right? So too much certainty, you're bored out of your mind. Too much variety, you're freaked out. You don't want to be lukewarm middle, you want to learn how to use them both. So did you ever watch a movie you've already seen before? Yeah. What's wrong with you? Well, I have to, why do we do that? You're certain it's good, you think it's been long enough that you'll still get variety from it. You forgot enough, you'll be right. Otherwise you wouldn't do it, right? So you can meet more than one need at one time instead of having to be parted. But the one that messes people up the most is we all have a need for significance, to feel important, to feel special, to feel unique, to feel needed. Everybody has that need. Some people do it by the way they dress. Some people do it by developing themselves the hard way their body and doing something unique with their life. Some people do it by being more generous. Some people do it by tearing other people down.  So you can get your needs met in a negative way, a neutral or a positive way. How you meet them changes your life. But also everybody has the same needs but we have different sequences of how we value them. So our culture today, and especially social media, has made significance number one. And so you see people like, Billy will tell you, like he's in his own gym. First time he told me this, I couldn't believe he goes, just see this, this men and women both do this, come in, they lay out everything, take all these pictures and then post them and they don't work out.  It's all just to look good, right? It's all projection.  So that need for significance is a good need to have a significant light, an important light, a unique life. But when it's number one above love or above growth or above contribution, it's gonna mess up your relationship.  And unfortunately, our culture has reinforced it. Our culture is certainty and significance at this stage. People want certainty, that's people at home with their mask and everything else, you know, they're in the car in a mask and there's nobody with them. There's a guy on a paddle board out here, wearing a mask, there's nobody around him. I'm like, what is going on with certainty? Absolute certainty, it's number one for him. I know I'm just looking at him, right? So there's nothing wrong with any of these, but if you think about it, you can even have the same need, but you have different ways of knowing the needs met.  Because they wanted to be a hero, they wanted to have a significant life, they wanted a life to have special meaning, even if it meant death. That's how strong the drive is. But you also have Osama bin Laden who got significance by destroying 3,000 people's lives and buildings, but he didn't do shit, he didn't take any risk, he got other people to do it. He's one of, I forget it, is like 27 children and he didn't matter to his father much, at least he didn't perceive he did, but he goes to Afghanistan with his daddy's money, the biggest construction guy in Saudi Arabia, and all of a sudden he gives his money and he's a hero. And so people are shaped by these needs, but the ones that harm us, like if your love is first or if growth is first, so that's certainly, uncertainty, significance, love, both expressing and receiving, growth and contribution. Everybody meets the first four because they're survival, but the ones that make you fulfilled are growth and contribution. So it's like you see people and they go, what's the secret to happiness? I always say one word, progress. Progress equals happiness. If you've ever achieved a goal and then went, is this all there is, you know it's not getting it. Or even if you've achieved a goal and you were thrilled, how long were you happy for? A year, nine months, six months, three weeks, three days, three hours, most people it's somewhere between three hours and three weeks, maybe three months, because we're not made to just sit here and be satisfied. Everything in the universe grows or dies. Everything in the universe either contributes or is eliminated. So when you're making progress, you feel alive. When you achieve something, if you sit at the table of success too long, you're bored and fat, you know, it's horrible. So I try to show people how to make those higher needs be met, because you can lie to yourself and make yourself certain, you can feel significant by tearing somebody else down.  They never say it to your face. No. Especially not you guys, probably not me, but they'll do it there. Why? Because it's their way to instantly get significance without doing anything. If I make you look smaller, I have the illusion I'm bigger, but it's an illusion. Where do you think we're going with like social media and the metaverse and web three? Like what are your thoughts on that? Do you think it's good or bad? Well, it doesn't matter what I think because it's gonna happen regardless, right? So electricity can light up a city or kill someone. It depends on how you use it, right? So my hope is that social media, there will be alternatives that provide freedom.  But I think human beings are getting to a threshold, just like COVID is getting to a threshold. You know, you've seen countries now dropping them all, part of it's political and they're gonna be thrown out.  They wanna go back to their lives. And there's a lot of science that shows it's evolved. It's very different than what we were told initially. So I think we're hitting thresholds around social media. I don't think we're there yet. And you've already seen for the first time, Facebook lost members for the first time last quarter. Their numbers are down.  And the metaverse is interesting. I had a VR company, I sold it to Apple and they haven't come out with what they're gonna do yet, but I know to some extent what they're going, they don't tell you beyond what we knew initially. But you think about it. What is it at? 8K is what they're targeting. You know, a year and a half later, it'll be 16K. A year and a half later, a year later it'll be 32K. Between 32K and 64K, you can't tell the difference between this and virtual reality. So we're probably somewhere between four and six years away from that.  And just like right now, you know, I'm not a gamer because I grew up in a different generation and also I just want the time. I know I'm an addictive personality, so I don't do it. But you know, gaming can give you some interesting skills. You know, I'm an e-sports team, you know, Team Liquid, one of the best teams. These guys are making, you're supposed to say, what are you doing in game? I know these guys make a million, million, two, million, five endorsements. They can make three or four, five million. You're teaching other guys how to play, you know, on the various platforms. So there's options that are there, but I think the real challenge for humanity is gonna be how do we keep growing? Especially when also so many jobs are gonna be wiped out by everything from AI to robotics to nanotechnology. You know, you look 20 years in the future, that probably sounds like a lot to you. It sounds like a lot to most people, but when you're 60, you feel differently. It'll go like that. And I got, you know, 48-year-old daughter and a 10-month-old daughter and five grandchildren, I look around at my kids and go, my grandkids and say, half of what they know as a job's gonna be gone. So how do I help them succeed? I need to teach them the three things that aren't gonna go away when those jobs go away. There's three master skills.  I know it because of what you've produced. The first skill that makes somebody great in business, finance, your body, relationship, parenting, anything is pattern recognition. Like a lot of people right now look around the world and say, oh my God, this is all chaos. It's not chaos, it looks like chaos. If you've studied history, you know there are seasons. We're in a winter, no pandemic lasts forever, no war lasts forever, spring is coming. That doesn't mean there aren't gonna be challenges, but the overall themes will change over time. We've probably got six, seven more years of something like this.  But all those seasons are really helpful. If you're born in 1910 and you come of age at 19 years old, that was 1929. They saw the end of World War I looked like great, roaring 20s, cars, and they were gonna go party. When you turn 19, the world looks like it's over. Oh, by the way, they make it through those 10 years to make it to 29 years old, and it's 1939. And the whole world is at war and Hitler looks like he's winning. And they were flappers. They were like, you hear people talk about millennials now. Oh, there's snowflakes and all that.  It's absurd, but here's the good news. Those demands made those people what we call the greatest generation. Oh, guys that came back, they were the heroes. And then they started a new season, a spring time. The late 40s, 50s, to the early 60s, until Kennedy was shot, was a different season, right? It was a new spring time. Growth is easy, just like that stage of life growth is easy. Then we went through the hot summer, where there's internal conflict. Think about how different the 60s and 70s were from the 40s and 50s after World War II. Then you got the 80, 90s, 2000s, and everything changes. People are about pragmatic, making money, doing these pieces, not everybody, but the culture changed. And we're right now, we're in winter again. And we're about halfway through it probably. It's probably another seven years, eight years, depending upon studies. And so, here's the history of the world. Weak people, we'll start with, say, good times make weak people. I was just gonna ask you if you believe in that proverb, that's such a great story. That's so true, weak people make bad times. Bad times make strong people, strong people make great times. That's the history of the world. But you don't have to be part of the pattern, like I live in Florida. Winter somewhere else is pretty bad. Winter here is pretty nice, as you noticed today. 78 degrees, we're doing great. So you don't have to be what everybody else is, but you do have to learn how to use the seasons of your life. And I think that's what's really missing. That's what people are doing, they've lost perspective. So if you have pattern recognition, you recognize patterns in business or in finance, you have power, it's not chaos. Patterns of history, you got power. Patterns of life stages is something I study, right? So you understand where things are going. And then the second skill is pattern utilization. Because if you recognize the pattern, the real key is can you use it? Like can you use stress, not let stress use you? Can I use the changes in the culture to go to another level? I'm reaching 2.7 million people this year instead of quarter of a million people traveling to 15 cities, excuse me, 125 cities in 15 countries. I'm home with my kids and having a good time, right? I took advantage of COVID, not let COVID take advantage of me. That's not easy, but it's doable, right? And so the third one is pattern creation, which is I'm sure what you guys have done, right? You probably started out learning and studying other people. So you studied so many things, now you create your own patterns for your workout. You know what it is, you know how to get precise, you got the history. You play someone else's music on the piano, and in one day, you know enough, you can play your own music. And that's what you wanna do with anything. So anything you wanna master, your finances, your business, parenting, your body, you gotta make it a study of mastery, not a dabbling. And you guys aren't dabblers, so you understand what I'm talking about. And you know pattern recognition, you could look at somebody and probably go, this is what they need, like that, right guys? Because this is your domain. I would encourage all of your viewers, especially the young ones, decide there's a few domains to master. One is what you're doing. I do it too in my endurance side. But the others are emotions, those are relationships, those are the finances. And then maybe this thing of spiritual joy and happiness that really comes from not having life be so much about you and maybe about something bigger. Wow. Well, this has been amazing. Yeah. I've enjoyed our talk. I really enjoyed talking to you.  All the good stuff at least. I hope you say good things. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It's really been a pleasure. Thank you for showing us around too. Yeah, my pleasure guys. Thank you very much. I hope you people pick up LightForce. It's like I said, I'm donating all the profits out there. I don't get anything out of it, but they will. And it's three year project. And I want them to know these tools that can change their life. Yeah. I highly recommend it to my viewers. Absolutely. Well, thanks for coming. Thank you. Appreciate it.