From theCUBE Studios in Palo Alto in Boston, connecting with thought leaders all around the world, this is a CUBE Conversation. Okay, hello everyone, I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. We're here with Meet the Analyst segment Sunday morning. We've got everyone around the world here to discuss really the news around the EU, killing the privacy field or striking it down among other topics around data privacy and global commerce. We've got great guests here. Ray Wong, CEO of Constellation Research, Build Move Founder and CEO of Cyber Crisis Management from the Firm Crisis Team. And JD, CEO of Spearhead Management JD, I can let you say your name because I really can't pronounce it. How do I pronounce it? Doctor? I wouldn't even try it unless you are Dutch otherwise it will seriously hurt your throat. So JD works perfect for me. Dr. Dukag. And Sabichewal, who's obviously influencer, a cloud awesome native expert. Great guys, great to have you on. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. And Bill, thank you for initiating this. I appreciate all your tweets. Happy Sunday. You guys have been really tweeting up a storm. I want to get together kind of as an analyst. Meet the Analyst segment. Let's go through it. The news is the EU and US privacy shield for data is struck down by the core. That's the BBC headline, variety of news, different perspectives. You got an American perspective and you got an international perspective. Bill, we'll start with you. What does this news mean? I mean, basically half the people in the world probably don't even know what the privacy shield means. So why is this ruling so important and why should it be discussed? Well, data sharing between Europe and America is based on a two way promise that when data goes from Europe to America, the Americans promise to respect our privacy. And when data goes from America to Europe, the Europeans promise to respect the American privacy. Unfortunately, there are big cultural differences between the two blocks. The Europeans have a massive orientation around privacy as a human right. And in the US, there's somewhat more of a prioritization on national security. And therefore for some time, there's been a mismatch here. And it could be argued that the Americans haven't been living up to their promise because they've had various different laws and we'll come up to talk about FISA and the cloud act that actually contravene European privacy and make our incompatible with the promise that the Americans have given. That promise, first of all, was in the form of a treaty called Safe Harbor. This went to court and was struck down. It was replaced by privacy shield, which was pretty much the same thing really. And that has recently been caught as well. And that has been struck down. There now is no other means of legally sharing data between Europe and America other than what have been called standard contractual clauses. This isn't a broad treaty between two nations. These are drawn up by each individual country. But also in the ruling, they said that standard contractual clauses could not be used by any companies that were subject to mass surveillance. And actually in the US, the FISA courts enforce a level of mass surveillance through all of the major IT firms at all major US telcos, cloud firms or indeed social media firms. So this means that for all of the companies out there and their clients, business should be carrying on as usual apart from if you're one of those major US IT firms or one of their clients.  Was there like a major incident? Why now? What's the court?  Why did this go down? What's the real issue? For those of us who've been following this attentively, things have been getting more and more precarious for a number of years now. We've had a situation where different measures have been taken in the US that have continued to erode the different protections that there were for Europeans. FISA is an example that I've given and that is the sort of secret courts and secret warrants that are issued to seize data without anyone's knowledge. There's the Cloud Act, which is a sort of extra judicial law that means that warrants can be served in America to US organizations and they have to hand over data wherever that data resides anywhere in the world. So data could exist on a European server if it was under the control of an American company. They'd have to hand that over. So whilst FISA is in direct conflict with the promises that the Americans made, things like the Cloud Act are not only in contraversion with the promise they've made, there's conflicting law here because if you're a US subsidiary of a big US firm and you're based in Europe, who do you obey? The European law that says you can't hand it over because of GDPR or the American law that says they've got extra judicial control and that you've got to hand it over. So it's made things a complete mess and to say, has this suddenly happened? No, there's been a gradual erosion and this has been going through the courts for a number of years and many of us have seen it coming and now it just hit us. So if I get you right, what you're saying is it's basically all this mishmash of different laws and there's no coherency and consistency. Is that the core issue? On the European side, you could argue there's quite a lot of consistency because we uphold people's privacy in theory. There have been incidents which we could talk about without but in theory that we hold your rights dear and also the rights of Europeans. So everyone's data should be safe here from the sort of mass surveillance we're seeing. In the US, there's more of a direct conflict between everything, including there's been in his first week in the White House, Donald Trump signed an executive order saying that the privacy act in the US which had been the main protection for people in the US, no longer applied to non-US citizens which was if you wanted to try and cause a storm and if you wanted to try and undermine the treaty there's no better way than doing it than that. By the way, Ray, I mean simplify this for me because I'm a startup, I'm hustling or I'm a big company. I don't even know who runs the servers anymore and I got data stored in multiple clouds. I got in regions and your Oracle just announced more regions, you got Amazon, a gazillion regions I could be on-premise. I mean, bottom line, what is this about? I mean, well- Bill's right. I mean, when Max Shrems, Bill's right, when Max Shrems, the Austrian activist actually filed his case against Facebook for where data was being stored data residency wasn't as popular. And what it means for companies that are in the cloud is that you have to make sure your data is being stored in the region and following those specific region rules. You can't skirt those rules anymore. And I think the cloud companies know that this has been coming for some time and that's why there's been announcement a lot of regions, a lot of areas that are actually happening. So I think that's the important part. But going back to Bill's earlier point, which is important is America is basically the Canary Islands of privacy, right? Privacy is there, but it isn't there in a very, very explicit sense. And I think we've been skirting the rules for quite some time because a lot of our economy depends on that data and the marketing of that data. And so we often confuse privacy with consent and also with value exchange. And I think that's part of the problem of what's going on here. Companies that have been building their business models on free data, free private data, free personally identifiable information are the ones that are at risk. And I think that's what's going on here. It's the classic Facebook as you're the product there and the data is your product. Well, I want to get into what this means because my personal takeaway is not knowing not knowing the specifics is and just following and say cyber security, for instance, one of the tenants there is that data sharing is a valuable, important ethos in the community. Now everyone has their own privacy or security data and they don't want to let everyone know about their exploits but it's well known in the security world that sharing data with each other, different companies and countries is actually a good thing. So the question that comes in my mind is this really about data sharing or data privacy or both? I think it's about both. And actually what the ruling is saying here is all that we're asking from the European side is please stop spying on us and please give us a level of equal protection that you give to your own citizen because data comes from America to Europe. If that data belongs to a US citizen or a European citizen it's given equal protection. It is only if data goes in the other direction where you have secret courts, secret warrants, seizure of data on this massive scale and also a level of lack of equivalence that has been imposed. And we're just asking that once you've sorted out a few of those things, we're saying everything's back on the table away we go again. Why don't we merge the EU with the United States when that's all the problem? We just left Europe. I actually, I also take over of the UK maybe the 15 second state. I always pick on Bill. Bill, you guys are screaming loud and clear about all these concerns but UK is trying to get out of that economic union. It is a union at the end of the day. And I think the problem is the institutional mismatch between EU and US. US is old democracy, bigger country, population-wise bigger economy whereas Europe is set of countries trying to put together a band together as one entity and the institutions are new. Like, you know, they're 15 years old, right? They're maturing. I think that's where the big mismatch is. Well, Ray, I wanna get your thoughts on this. Ray wrote a book, I feel what year it was, this digital disruption. Basically it was basically digital transformation before it was actually a trend. And, you know, it was, I mean, to me it's like do you do the process first and then figure out where the value extract is? And, you know, this may be a Silicon Valley or an American thing, but go create value then figure out how to create process or understand regulations. So if data and entrepreneurship is gonna be a new modern era of value, why wouldn't we wanna create a rule-based system that's open and enabling and not restricted? So it gets a great point, right? And the innovation culture means you go do it first and you figure out the rules later. And that's been a very American way of getting things done. And a very Silicon Valley perspective, not everyone, but I think it's in general that's kind of the trend. I think the challenge here is that we are trading privacy for security, privacy for convenience, privacy for personalization, right? And on the security level it's a very different conversation than what it is on the consumer and personalization side. On the security side, I think most Americans are okay with a little bit of spying at least on your own side, you know, to keep the country safe. We're not okay with a China level type of spying which we're not sure exactly what that means or what's enforceable in the courts. We look like China to the Europeans in the way we treat privacy just and I think that's the perspective we need to understand because the Europeans are very explicit about how privacy is being protected. And so this really comes back to a point where we actually have to get to a consent model on privacy as to knowing what data is being shared you have the right to say no and when do you have the right to say no and then if you have a value exchange on that data then it's really like sometimes it's monetary, sometimes it's non-monetary, sometimes there's other areas around consensus where you can actually put that into place. And I think that's what's missing at this point saying, you know, do we pay for your data? Do we explicitly get your consent first before we use it? And we haven't had that in place. And I think that's where we're headed towards and you know, sometimes we actually say privacy should be a human right. It is in the UN Charter but we haven't figured out how to enforce it or talk about it in a digital age. And so I think that's the challenge. And so I totally lose it. They don't really understand what it means.  So, I mean, I get that and I think there's some that's gonna be a blowback for America for sure. I just worry it's gonna increase the cost of doing business and take away from the innovation for citizen value, the people. Because at the end of the day, it's for the people, right? I mean, at the end of the day it's like what's my privacy mean if I lose value? Even before we start talking about the value of the data and the innovation that we can do through data use you have to understand the European perspective here. For the European, there's a level of double standards and an erosion of trust. There's double standards in the fact that in California, you have new privacy regulations that are slightly different to GDPR but they're very much GDPR-like. And if it was, the boot was on the other foot to say if we were spying on Californians and looking at their personal data and contravening CCPA the Californians would be up in arms. Likewise, if we having promised to have a level of equality had enacted a local rule in Europe said that when data from America's over here actually the privacy of Americans counts for nothing. We're only gonna prioritize the privacy of Europeans. Again, the Americans would be up in arms and therefore you can see that there are real double standards here that are a massive issue. And until those addressed, we're not gonna trust the Americans. And likewise, the very fact that on a number of occasions Americans have signed up to treaties and promised to protect our data as they did with Safe Harbor, as they did with Privacy Shield and then have blatantly failed to do so means that actually to get back to even a level playing field where we were you have a great deal of trust to overcome. And the thing from the perspective of the big IT firms they've seen this coming for a long time as Ray was saying, and they've sought to try and have a presence in Europe and other things. But the way that this ruling has gone is that I'm sorry that isn't gonna be sufficient. These big IT firms based in the US that have been happy to hand over data or some of them even more happy than others but they all need to hand over data to the NSA or the CIA. They've been doing this for some time now without actually respecting this data privacy agreement that has existed between the two trading blocks. And now they've been called out and the position now is that the US is no longer trusted and neither are any of these large American technology firms. And until the snooping stops and equality is introduced they can now no longer even from their European operations they can no longer use standard contractual clauses to transfer data which is gonna be a massive restriction on their business. And if they had any sense, they'd be lobbying very, very hard right now to the Senate, to the house to try and persuade US lawmakers actually to stick to some of these treaties to stop introducing really mad laws that ride roughshod over other people's privacy and have a certain amount of respect. Let's let JD weigh in because he just got in and sorry on the video I made him back on the hose because he dropped off just real real quick. I mean, I think it's like when I go to Europe it's a line for Americans and it's a line for EU or EU and everybody else. I mean, we might be there but ultimately this has to be solved. So JD, why don't you weigh in Germany has been at the beginning forefront of privacy and they've been very core and how's this all playing out from your perspective? Well, the first thing that we have to understand is that in Germany there is a very strong love for regulation. Germans panic as soon as there are no regulation. So they need to understand what am I allowed to do and what am I not allowed to do and they expect the same from the others for the record, I'm not German but I live in Germany for some 20 years so I got a bit of a feeling for that. And that sense of need for regulation has spread very fast throughout the European Union because most of the European member states of the European Union considered this that it makes sense. And then we found that Britain had already a very good framework for privacy. So GDPR itself is very largely based on what the United Kingdom already had in place with their privacy act. Moving forward, we try to find agreement and consensus with other countries, especially in the United States because that's where most of the tech providers are only to find out. And that is where it started to go really, really bad. 2014 when the mass production by Edward Snowden came out to find out it's not just data from citizens, it's surveillance programs which include companies. I joined a purchasing conference a few weeks ago where the part of a large European multinational where the purchasing director explicitly stated that the usage of US based tech providers for sensitive data is prohibited as a result of them finding out that they have been under surveillance. So it's not just the citizens. There is a mess. There you have it guys, we did trust you. We did have agreements there that you could have abided by, but you chose not to. You chose to abuse our trust and you're now in a position where you are no longer trusted. And unless you can lobby your own elected representatives to actually recreate a level playing field, we're not gonna continue trusting you. So I mean, innovation has to come from somewhere and has to come from America. If that's the case, you guys have to get on board, right? Is that what it does? Innovation without trust? Is that the perspective? But I don't think it's a country thing. I mean, like, it's not you or them. I think everybody, no, but I think everybody does, everybody is looking for what the privacy rules are and what's important. And you can have that innovation with consent. And I think that's really where we're gonna get to. And this is why I keep pushing that issue. I mean, privacy should be a fundamental right and how you get paid for that privacy is interesting or how you get compensated for that privacy. If you know what the explicit value exchange is, what you're talking about here is the surveillance that's going on by companies which shouldn't be happening, right? That shouldn't be happening at the company level. At the government level, I can understand that that is happening. And I think those are treaties that the governments have to agree upon as to how much they're going to impinge on our personal privacy for the trade-off for security. And I don't think they've had those discussions either or they decided and didn't tell any of their citizens. And I think that's probably more likely the case. I mean, I think that what's happening here, Bill, you guys are pointing out, Ray, you articulated there on the other side as in my kind of colorful joke aside, is that we're living a first generation modern sociology problem. I mean, this is a policy challenge that extends across multiple industries, cybersecurity, citizens rights, geopolitical. I mean, when we were looking, even when we were doing CUBE events that overseas in Europe and in North American companies were going abroad, they were just recycling the American program. And we found there's so much localization value. So Ray, this is the digital disruption. It's the virtualization of physical digital worlds. And it's a lot of network theory, which is computer science, a lot of sociology. This is a modern challenge. And I don't think it's so much as a silver bullet. It's just that we need smart people working on this. That's my takeaway. But I think we can describe the ideal endpoint being somewhere where we have meaningful protection alongside the maximization of economic and social value through innovation. So that should be what we would all agree would be the ideal endpoint. But we need both. We need meaningful protection and we need the maximization of economic and social value through innovation. Well, I had another access security as well. Security, well, I put meaningful protection as both covering both security and privacy.  They're not really... They really don't understand. They really don't understand the tech at all. So the problem is... I'm not claiming ours are a great deal better. Well, I think this is a modern problem. Like the young people that I talked to are like, why do we have these rules? They're all lawyers that got into these positions of Congress and the American side. And so with the American Jedi contract, you guys have been following very closely is it's been like the old school Oracle IBM and then Amazon was leading with an innovative solution and Microsoft has come in and repiped it. And so what you have is a fight for the digital future of citizenship. And I think what's happening is, is that we're in a massive societal transition where the people in charge don't know what the hell they're talking about, technically. And they don't know who to tap to solve the problems or even shape or frame the problems. Now there's pockets of people that are working on it, but to me, as someone who looks at the same, it's pretty simple solution. If no one's ever seen this before. So this metaphor as you can draw, but it's a completely different problem space because it's physical, digital. We've got a lot of lobbyists out there and we've got some tech firms spending an enormous amount of lobbying. If those lobbyists aren't trying to steer their representatives in the right direction to come up with laws that aren't gonna massively undermine trade and data sharing between Europe and America, then they're making a big mistake because we got here through some really dumb lawmaking in the US. There are none of the laws in Europe that are a problem here because GDPR isn't a great difference. It's a great deal different from some of the laws that we have already in California and elsewhere. The laws are at issue here. Bill, you have to back off a little bit from that rhetoric that the EU is perfect and the US is not. That's not true. I'm not saying we're perfect. No, you say that all the time. There's a massive lack of information. No, you say that all the time. Yeah, yeah. I hear that all the time. I'm wrestle. Yes, yes. Come on. When I'm being critical of some of the dumb laws in the US and not saying Europe's perfect, what we're trying to say is that in this particular instance, I said there was an equal balance here between meaningful protection and the maximization of economic and social value. On the meaningful protection side, America's got it very wrong in terms of the meaningful protection it provides to certainly European data. On the maximization of economic and social value, I think Europe's got it wrong. I think there are a lot of things that we could do in Europe to actually have far more innovation. Yeah. It's a cultural issue. The Germans want rules. That's what they crave for. America's out of the way. We don't want rules. I mean, pretty much it's a rebel society. And that's kind of the ethos of most tech companies. But I think, to me, the media, there's two things that go on with this tech business. The companies themselves have to be checked by state government. I believe in not a lot of regulation, but enough to check the power of bad actors. Media, so-called checking power, both of these major roles, they don't really know what they're talking about. And this is back to the education piece. The people who are in the media, so-called checking power and the government checking power, assume that the companies are bad. So yeah, if there's eight out of 10 companies like Amazon or other, actually try to do good things, if you don't know what good is, you're in the wrong game. So I think media and government have a huge education opportunity to look at this because they don't even know what they're measuring. I think that we are un-reeling. I think we're un-reeling from the globalization. Like we are undoing the globalization and that these are the side effects. These conflicts are side effect of that. Yeah, so what I'm saying is I support the focus on innovation in America. And that has driven an enormous amount of wealth and value. What I'm questioning here is, do you really need to spy on us, your allies, in order to help that innovation?   And you haven't been treating our privacy with a great deal of respect. You know, Saudi Arabia was our ally. You know, 9-11 happened because of them. They're people, right? It is no ally here and there's no enemy in a way. We don't know where the rogue actors are sitting. Like we don't know, it can be within us. It's well understood, as I agree, sorry. It's well understood that the nation states are enabling terrorist groups to take out cyber attacks. That's well known. All the source enables it. So I think there's the privacy versus- I'm not sure you're accusing your parents just during this though. No, no, I won't let you. I'm a former officer in the Royal Navy. I stood shoulder to shoulder with my U.S. counterparts. I put my life on the line on NATO exercises in real war zones and I'm now a disabled ex-serviceman as a result of that. I mean, if I put my life on the line, shoulder to shoulder with Americans, why is my privacy not respected? Oh, hold on. Bill, I was gonna say actually that it's not that. Even in the U.S., the part of the spying internally is we have internal actors that are behaving poorly. We have Marxist organizations posing as whatever it is. I'll leave it at that. But my point being is we've got a lot of that. Every country has that. Everyone country has actors and citizens and people in the system that are destined to try to overthrow the system. And I think that's what that surveillance is about. The question is we don't have treaties or we didn't have very explicit agreements. And that's why I'm pushing really hard here. They're separating privacy versus security, which is the national security. And privacy versus us as citizens in terms of our data being basically taken over for free, being used for free. And I think we have some agreement on. I just think that our governments haven't really had that conversation about what surveillance means. Maybe someone agreed and said, oh, okay, that's fine. You guys can go do that. We won't tell anybody. And that's what it feels like. And I don't think we deliberately are saying, hey, we wanted to spy on your citizens. I think someone said, hey, there's a benefit here too. Otherwise, I don't think that you would have let this happen for that long unless Max had made that case and started this ball rolling. And Edward Snowden and other folks. Yeah. I want to add to that. I mean, we need to, whether we're domestic terrorists, we need to stop them. And we need to have local action in UK to stop it happening here. And in America to stop it happening there. But if we're doing that, there is absolutely no need for the Americans to be spying on us. And there's actually no need for the Americans to say that privacy applies to U.S. citizens only and not to Europeans. That's a fair point. These are duff. That's a fair point. I'm sure GCHQ and everyone else has this covered. I mean, I'm sure they do. Bill, I know for, I've been involved in some, and I know for a fact the U.S. and the UK are discussing, and I know a company called IronNet, which is run by General Keith Alexander, funded by C5 Capital. There's a lot of collaboration because this is, again, they're trying to get their arms around how to frame it. And they all agree that sharing data for the security side is super important, right? And I think IronNet has this thing called IronDome, which is actually like, they say, hey, we'll just get consistency around the rules and share data. We can both, everyone can have their own little data. So I think that there's recognition at the highest levels of some smart people in both countries that, hey, let's work together. The issue I have is just policy. And I think there's a lot of clustering going on, cluster F here around just getting out of their own way. Are we a PG show? Wait, are we a PG show? I just gotta remember that. It's internet, there's no rules. There's no regulation. Are we the European rules or is it the American rules? I would like to jump back quickly to the purpose of the surveillance. And especially when mass surveillance is done under the cover of national security and terror prevention, I work with five clients in the past decade who all have been targeted under mass surveillance, which was revealed by Edward Snowden. And when they did their own investigation and partially was confirmed by Edward Snowden in person, they found out that their purchasing department, their engineering department, big parts of their pricing data was targeted in mass surveillance. There's no way that anyone can explain me that that has anything to do with preventing terror attacks or finding the bad guys. That is economical espionage. You cannot call it in any other way. And that was authorized by the same legislation that authorizes the surveillance for the right purposes. I'm all for fighting terror. And anything that can help us prevent terror from happening, I would be the first person to welcome it. But I do not welcome when that regulation is abused for a lot of other things under the cover of national interest. This is back to the lawmakers again and again America has been victim to the Chinese, something of illegal properties, well documented, well known in tech circles. But just because the Chinese have targeted you doesn't give you a free reign to target us. I'm not saying that. But if the US can sort out a little bit of reform in the Senate and the House, I think that would go a long way to solving the issues that Europeans have right now and a long way to sort of reaching a far better place from which we can all innovate and cooperate. Here's the challenge that I see. If you want to be instrumenting everything, you need to close society. Because if you have a free country like America and the UK, democracy, you're open. If you're open, you can't stop everything. So there has to be a trust to your point, Bill. That's to me that I just can't get my arms around that idea of complete lockdown and data surveillance because I don't think it's gettable in the United States like it's a free world. It's like open, it should be open. But we've got the grids and we've got the critical infrastructure that should be protected. So that's one hand. I just can't get around that because once you start getting to locking down stuff and measuring everything, that's just a series of walled gardens. So to JD's point on the procurement data and pricing data, I have been involved in some of those kind of operations. And I think it's financial espionage that they're looking at and financial security trying to figure out where to track down capital flows and what was purchased. I hope that wasn't in your client's case, but I think it's trying to figure out where the money flow was going more so than trying to understand the pricing data from competitive purposes. If it is the latter where they're stealing the competitive information on pricing and that data is getting back to a competitor, that is definitely a no-no. But if it's really to figure out where the money trail went, which is what I think most of those financial analysis are doing especially in the CIA or in the FBI, that's really what that probably would have been. Yeah, I don't think that the CIA is selling the data to your competitors as a company, as a Microsoft or as a Google. They're not selling it to each other, right? They're not giving it to each other, right? So I think the one big problem I studied with FISA is that they get the data, but how long they can keep the data and how long they can mine the data. So they should use that data as exhaust, means like they use it and just throw it away, but they don't, they keep mining that data at a later date. And FISA is only good for five years. Like I learned that every five years, we revisit that. And that's what happened this time, that we renewed it for six years this time, not five for some reason, one extra year. So I think we revisit our laws. Could be an election cycle maybe. Yes, exactly. So we revisit all these laws with Congress and Senate here, periodically just to make sure that they are up to date and they're not infringing with human rights or citizens rights and stuff like that. When you say you're up to date to check they're not conflicting with other, did you not spot that it was conflicting with privacy shield and some of the promises you'd made to Europe in? At what point did that fail to become obvious? It does, it does because there's a heightened urgency. Every big incident happens, 9-11 caused a lot of new sort of regulations and laws coming into the picture. And then the last time the Russian interference in our elections, that created some high sort of heightened sort of urgency about like we need to do something guys here. Like if some country can topple our elections, right? That's not acceptable. So we- And what was it that your allies did that forced you to spy on us and to downgrade our privacy? I'm not expert on the political systems here. I think our allies are little, okay, lose on there.  Like, the world is like a village. Like it's only a few countries. It's like, it's not millions of countries, right? Like, that's how I see it, the city versus village. And then that's how I see the countries out there like village politics. Like there are two camps, like there's Russia and China camp and then there's US camp on the other side. Like we used to have Russia and US, two forces, big guys, and they manage the whole world balance somehow, right? Like some people are with one camp, the other are with the other, right? That's how they used to work. Now Russia is gone. Hold on, let me finish, let me finish. Russia is gone, that there's a void, right? And the China is trying to fill that void. Chinese are not like, like I think diplomat enough to fill that void. And it's all like we are in this imbalance, I believe. And then the Russia becomes a rogue actor kind of in a way that that's how I see it. And then they are funding all these kind of bad people. You see that all along. Like what happened happened in the Middle East and all that stuff. You said there are different camps. We thought we were in your camp. We didn't expect to be spied on by you or to have our rights downgraded by you. No, I understand but you guys have to trust us also. Like in village, let me tell you, I'm from a village, that's why I call me use the villager as a hashtag in my Twitter also. Like in village there are usually one or two families which keep the village intact. That's how it works. I don't know if you have lived in a place that's not entirely intact. Bill, you make us some great statements. Where's the evidence on the surveillance? Where can people find more information on this? Can you share? I think there's plenty of evidence and I can send some stuff on. And I'm a little bit shocked given the awareness of the VISA Act, the Cloud Act, the fact that these things are in existence in there. They're not exactly unknown. And many people have been complaining about them for years. I mean, we've had safe harbor overturned. We've had privacy shield overturned. And these weren't just on a whim. What does JD have in his hand? I want to know. The Edward Snowden book. A book by Edward Snowden, which gives you plenty. But it was not that. And that's something that we have to keep in mind because we can also, we can always claim that whatever Edward Snowden wrote, that he made that up. Every publication by Edward Snowden has an avalanche of technical confirmation. One of the things that he described about the Cisco switches, which Bill prefers to quote every time, which is a proven case, there were bundles of researchers saying, I told you guys, nobody paid attention to those researchers. And Edward Snowden was smart enough to get the mass media representation in that. But there's one thing I question I have for Sabin because in the two parties' strategy, it is interesting that you always take out the European Union as a partner. And the European Union is a big player and it will continue to grow. It has a growing amount of trade agreements with the growing amount of countries. And I still hope that the number of countries is reducing, you've just lost one. Well, only one. And actually, those are four countries under one kingdom. But that's another point. Guys, final topic with 5G impact because you mentioned Cisco couldn't help to think about. Let me finish, please, Mike. My question, John, how would the United States respond if the European Union would now legalize to spy on everybody and every company and every governmental institution within the United States and say, no, no, that's our privilege, we need that? How would the United States respond? You can try that and see economically what happens to you. That's how the village politics work. You have to listen to the mightier than you and we are economically mightier. That's the fact. Actually, it's hard to swallow fact for anybody else. If you guys build a great app, I would use it and surveil all you want. Yeah, but so this is gonna be driven by the economics. Exactly what John said. Yeah, this is gonna be driven by the economics here. The big US cloud firms are gonna find this ruling enormously difficult for them. And they are inevitably gonna lobby for a level of reform. And I think a level of reform is leading. Nobody on your side is actually arguing very vociferously the cloud act and the discrimination against Europeans. It's actually a particularly good idea. The problem is that once you've done the reform, are we gonna believe you when you say, it's all good now, we've stopped it because with the crypto AG scandal in Switzerland, you weren't exactly honest about what you were doing. With the FISA courts, so I mean, these are secret courts of secret warrants. How do we know and what proof can we have that you've stopped doing all these bad things? And I think one of the challenges, A, gonna be the reform and then B, gonna be able to show that you actually got your act together and you're now clean. And until you can solve those two of many of your big tech companies are gonna be at a competitive disadvantage and they're gonna be screaming for this reform. Well, I think that general matter said in his book about Trump and the United States is that you need alliances. And I think your point about trust and executing together without alliances, it really doesn't work.  So otherwise it'll be continued to be siloed and network-based, right? So to the village point, if TikTok can become a massively successful app, they're surveilling to there.  But that's what's going on here. It's like, what is TikTok? Is it good or bad? Amazon sent out an email and they retracted it. That's because it went public. I guarantee you that they're talking about that at Amazon. Like, why would we want infiltration by the Chinese? And I'm speculating, I have no data.  Oh, we didn't mean to send that. Really? Yeah. So this is fine. It's like a troubleman's good. You always want to get a troubleman out there. Yeah, let's say exactly. There's some spying going on. So this is the reality. So John, you were talking about 5G and I think, you know, the rollout of 5G, you know, the battle between Cisco and Huawei, you just have to look at it this way. Would you rather have the US spy on you? Would you rather have China? And that's really your binary choice at this moment. And you know both is happening. And so the question is, which one is better? Like the one that you're in alliance with, the one that you're not in alliance with, the one that wants to bury you and decimate your country and steal all your secrets and then commercialize them or the one that kind of does it but doesn't really do it explicitly. So you've got to choose. We can say no, we're going to create our own standard for 5G and kick both out. That's an option. It's probably not a straightforward question or an answer to that question, as you would say. Because if we were to fast forward 50 years, I would argue that China is going to be the largest trading nation in the world. I believe that China is going to have the upper hand on so many of these technologies. And therefore, why would we not want to use some of their innovation and some of their technology? Why would we not actually be more oriented around trading with them than we might be with the US? I think the US is throwing its weight around at this moment in time. But if we were to fast forward, I think if looking in the long term, if I had to put my money on a Huawei or some of its competitors, I think given its level of investment in research and whatever, I think the better long term bet is Huawei. No, no, actually, you guys need to pick a camp. It's a village again. You have to pick a camp. You can't be with both guys. It's a global village. All right, so we have to go with the guys that have been spying on it. Well, which one? How do you know the Chinese haven't been spying on you? I think I'm very happy you find a backdoor in the Huawei equipment and you show it to us. We'll take them to task on it. But don't start bullying us into making decisions based on what ifs. I don't think I'm not qualified to represent the US, but what I would wanna say is that, I mean, if you look at the dynamics of what's going on in China, and we've been studying that as well in terms of the geopolitical aspects of what happens in technology, they have to do what they're doing right now because in 20 years, their population dynamics go like this, right? Because of the one child policy and they won't have the ability to go out and fight for those same resources where they are. So what they're doing makes sense from a country perspective and country policy, but I think they're gonna look like Japan in 20 years, right? Because the xenophobia, the lack of immigration, the lack of inside stuff coming in and aging population. I mean, those are all factors that slow down your economy in the long run and the lack of bringing new people in for ideas. I mean, that's part of it, their closed system. And so I think the long-term dynamics of every closed system is that they tend to fail versus open systems. So I'm not sure. They may have better technology along the way, but I think a lot of us are probably in the camp now, thinking that we're not gonna aid and abet them in that sense to get there. You're conflicting a country with a company. I didn't say that China had necessarily everything rose in its future. It'll be a bigger economy and it'll be a bigger training for it. But it's got its problems of the one child policy and the repercussions of that, but that is not one of the same thing. Among other things. And Huawei's a massively innovative company that has got a massive lead, certainly in 5G technology and may continue to maintain a lead into 6G and beyond. Oh, yeah, yeah. Huawei's done a great job on the 5G side. I don't disagree with that. I mean, they're ahead in many aspects compared to the US and they're already working on the 6G technologies as well and the rollouts have been further ahead. So that's the point there. And they got a great backer, too, the finance of the country, China. Okay, guys, let's wrap up. Let's wrap up this segment. Thanks for everyone's time. Final thoughts, just each of you on this core issue of the news that we discussed and the impact that it was conversation. What's the core issue? What should people think about? What's your solution? What's your opinion of how this plays out? Just final statements. We'll start with Bill, Greg, Shobit and JD. All I'm gonna ask is stop spying on us. Treat us equally. Treat us like the allies that we are. And then I think we've got a bright future together. Greg? I would say that Bill's right in that aspect in terms of how security agreements work. I think that we needed to be more explicit about those. I can't represent the US government, but I think the larger issue is really how do we view privacy and how we do the trade-offs between security and convenience and what's required for personalization and companies that are built on data. So the sooner we get to those kind of rules and understanding of what's possible, what's a consensus between different countries and companies, I think the better off we will all be as a society. Yeah, I believe the most important kind of independence is economic independence, like economically sound parties dictate the terms. That's what US is doing. And the smaller countries have to live with it or pick the other bigger player, number two in this case is China. John said earlier, I think I also, as Lee said, it's the fine balance between national security and the privacy. You have to strike that balance because the rogue actors are sitting in your country and across the boundaries of the countries, right? So it's not that FISA is being fought by Europeans only. Our internal people are fighting that too, like when you're mining over data, like what are you using for? Like I get concerned too, like when you can use that data against me that you have some data against me, right? So I think it's the fine balance between security and the privacy. We have to strike that. Awesome, JD. I'll include a little fact check. At the moment China is the largest economy. The European Union is the second largest economy followed directly by the USA. It's a very small difference. And I recommend that these two big parties behind the largest economy start to collaborate and start to do that eye to eye. Because if you want to balance the economical and manufacturing power of China, you cannot do that as being number two and number three. You have to join up forces. And that starts with sticking with the treaties that you signed. And that has not happened in the past almost four years. So let's go back to the table. Let's work on rules where from both sides, the rights and the privileges are properly reflected and then do the most important thing, stick to them. Yeah, I think that's awesome. And I think, you know, I would say that these young kids in high school and college, they need to come up and solve the problems. This is gonna be a new generational shift where the geopolitical landscape will change radically, you mentioned the top three there. And new alliances, new kinds of re-imagination has to be there. And from America's standpoint, I'll just say that I'd like to see lawmakers have, instead of a LinkedIn handle, a GitHub handle. You know, when they all go out on campaign, talk about what the code they've written. So I think having a technical background or some sort of knowledge of computer science and how the internet works with sociology and societal impact will be critical for citizenships to advance. So, you know, rather than a lawyer, right? So maybe there's some law involved that I don't mean to critical all lawyers, but today most people are lawyers in America, politics. But show me a GitHub handle on a congressman and a senator. I'd be impressed. So that's what we need. Ray, you wanna say something? Thank you guys. I wanted to say something because I thought the US economy was 21 trillion. The EU was sitting in about 16 and China was sitting about 14. But okay, I don't know. Yeah, maybe you need to do math, man. And we went over our 30 minute time. We can do an hour with you guys. So you're so good. Okay, don't worry. No, go ahead and get it in there. You got something to say. I don't think it's immaterial the exact size of the commit. I think that we're better off collaborating on even and fair terms. We're all better off collaborating. Yeah. Gentlemen. Collaboration has to be on equal and fair terms, you know. How do you define fair? Good point. Fair and balanced, you know, get the new. We did define fair. We struck a treaty that absolutely defined it. Absolutely. And then once I didn't stick to it. Oh, we will leave it right there and we'll follow up in great conversation. Gentlemen, you guys are good. Thank you.


I think when it comes to the COVID response in Bangladesh, I want to in particular note FAO. FAO really stepped forward from that angle of one health. I as a resident coordinator, I'm much more aware of this initiative, I'm much more aware of its potential and I'm certainly much more aware of its importance when it comes to pandemic preparedness. The resident coordinator at the time, Mia Sapo, was absolutely fantastic in managing this response overall under her leadership. I think she gave really clear mandates. So we had already had the experience of working from sector to sector and how to deal with potential outbreaks of disease and this had a lot of impact for putting together strategies for addressing the COVID-19 pandemic. I guess the big picture about our work in One Health and what we can contribute from the FAO side is recognizing that the work that we actively do every day in the animal health sector is reducing the risk of the next pandemic and that's something that's often forgotten. We've essentially had a pandemic of even influenza going on since in what not over 15 years. The types of pathogens we're dealing with are the same, be it in animals or humans. All the equipment we use are the same. So actually it's that bio safety capacity that we've been working on with these zoonotic diseases that we were able to immediately bring to bear on the response on COVID. So it was an actual extension for us to be able to then apply those tools to working with COVID-19. The community support teams in the end had a massive impact covering over 2 million households helping them understand basically through health extension services the challenges of COVID-19. I guess the best part was that that we work with the young people out there, the volunteers who are from different civil society organizations. I can recall we just trained 1,400 volunteers within nine days. It was IEDCR who helped to train those people. They came to IEDCR and IEDCR people trained them how to collect the sample, how to do the rapid testing and IEDCR also provided the medical technologist who were always with the CSTs under their supervision actually CST did this work at field level. The CSTs were able to validate the use of the rapid test at household level with support from IEDCR. So able to show that we can actually bring diagnostic services into these communities and that people who even aren't medical doctors but they're able to actually still perform that test reliably. At that time number of sample collection was enormously increased. We could collect more than 180 samples per day from the people who are living in the SLAM area. Then the next thing help us is the CST mobile app like digitalization of the surveillance system itself. So CST had their mobile with their surveillance app they just need to fill up and we grabbed the data it's like live streaming of the data from the field. So we were able to quickly always make changes to the CST app and deploy that very quickly as new needs arose in the field and later also include vaccination registration. When we were dealing with even influenza we always found that there was this bias or this blind spot particularly for the very poor marginalized communities. They were never being included in the surveillance systems they weren't perceived to be important. But yet wherever we go in providing those tools they always find that these communities have been affected by the disease so that reminds us of always to try to shine a light in the areas that are in the shadow that's how we you know bring about better disease control. And what was really interesting from the COVID work is that that was the same thing that the CST work found that it wasn't that the disease had somehow bypassed the slums of DACA it had moved through the slums of DACA even faster than other parts of the city probably because of the higher densities and the higher contact rates but no one noticed and that was also confirmed from the research as well you know the disease actually moved through here first but no one would have known unless we actually went out of our way and provided support to bring health services to these communities. Initially I know that those volunteers when they work in the field they got this resistance from the people. So that you know approach of building community trust is so essential to be able to actually have an effective community-based response. We capitalized under the community support initiative on the extensive experience and network of NGOs and this ensured that there was a capacity to bring the information to bring the outreach really to the doorstep of people who might otherwise not have been reached. I think ultimately that's why we say goodbye by bond you know this has been our strategy from the very first day. We're all brothers and sisters and if we have communities working hand-in-hand with our public health authorities then everyone wins and no one is left behind.


Hi Maria. Hi. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm getting excited about this celebrating inner peace event that we're all going to have together in July. We have a fundraiser and we're getting everyone warmed up with remembering the purpose out front. All the funds from this go to the Foundation for Inner Peace where the publishers of the course and do all those wonderful translations. Can you just talk about the work that they're doing and why people should support them going forward? It goes beyond comprehension in the sense of form to understand the capacity of what this book has really given to this dream experience. It's the tool and what helps us remember that we've never left our source. That we've never left the mind of God. That is huge. So we need to support the Foundation for Inner Peace because they're the ones that initially brought the work of Helen and Bill into the existence. I feel that the support of going forward since they do translate these books in all different kinds of languages. Not only that, everything else that they're doing so that this book continues to touch people's lives is essential. That's wonderful. Yeah, we're going to have a great time because we're being joined by legends like Carol Howe, John Mundy, and Gary and Renard's coming. James Twyman's bringing music. You'll be there. David Hofmeister will be there. It just feels like it's going to be a powerful joining. There's going to be music celebration and then deep presence. But the canyon really facilitates that kind of enclosed, deep, reverent presence. And I know it's going to be your first trip to the monastery and I've been asking you to come for a while. So I'm delighted. Yes, you have, Sarah. And I've been really called to be there as well. So anything that I can be part of to really honor these fantastic four, I'm going to call them. I'm there. And I really call upon all course teachers, all course students to join us in this epic event. The time is now. The time is now. It's a collaborative effort for the higher good and I'm honored. Yes, this is the tone and the vibrancy and the passion with which we all hope to greet everyone coming to the celebrating inner peace event. So check out miracles hyphen monastery.org and the celebrating inner peace event on Facebook. You can invite friends from all over the world because it's a really easy way for people to connect. And even if you can't come, you can still donate all proceeds, go to the foundation for inner peace and continuing this wonderful work. So looking forward to having you with us. Thank you. Thank you. I'm honored to be able to take part. And what a beautiful opportunity to join and heal together. And remember where we've never left the mind of God. Very excited. Thank you.


All right. I think this is functioning. All right, what are we going to talk about today? Okay, first let me just let me just answer one question real quick Someone was asking how it's going trying to meet the ladies.  It's super fun and awesome and amazing But the funny thing is It's not that life is like a video game Really, it's the video games are like life because life life came first People were doing stuff in real life long before there are video games But now we're in this weird spot where people aren't living real lives Deliving video game lives and movie lives and the in the real lives Are just kind of like withered away and people aren't doing things like one of one of the most important things a person needs to thrive is the ability to Improve their own circumstances, you know to to under their own power with their own with their own strength and force of will somehow people need to be able to eat to To level up to make their life better as they're as they're traveling through life they got to be able to make it better and That's that's a huge motivation all through all through human history One of the biggest motivations people have is to make to you is to improve their circumstances Largely because anyone who doesn't improve their circumstance ends up dying You know, you have to constantly improve your circumstances, right?  I've realized more and more how how unbelievably amazing and important it is to be able to Access the natural resources around you and have capabilities of turning the natural resources around you into useful things You know today just everyone uses money to just solve everything. I need something go by I need something pay someone I need just money money fixes everything, but it's so much more rewarding when you have other options I'm not saying like you can never buy anything sometimes sometimes. It's really nice to just buy something But it's so nice to have all these other options access to to natural resources and The ability to use those natural resources in a way that they become useful So the way I've been doing this a lot lately is you know going into the jungle Cutting logs into boards bringing them over here You know and cutting them real exact and perfect and planing them and making nice floorboards all my floorboards this This section right above me is the last the last floor section. You can actually see part of the floor there Well, okay, the previous section is most the way I Stopped there but keeps going anyway Yeah, I got a fill in that part and then then this right here and then the floor up there is is not finished, you know, it's not like sanded nice or You know finished or whatever and and the bank part around the outside isn't done But like the main floor it's that one more piece anyway So it's it's it's just so awesome to have all the all the tools and the stuff here and access to the resources where I could turn it into something and Okay, I have been using gasoline for a chainsaw so I have to go get the gasoline But I could I could do without that like if there were no more gasoline and no I couldn't get stuff from anywhere else I could totally do all the wood stuff here. It's take a little longer, but yeah, it's just so It's it's so nice to be able to do that, right? and This this is actually last week someone asked who's the last week or the week before someone asked You know, what are the reasons I left North America?  And it's being given It's being forcefully removed and being given to the people who are actually destroying everything The people who are clear-cutting and just like annihilating everything, right? Those are the people who need to be restricted and The the less the less normal people have access to the resources around them the more they have to rely on these These huge organizations or corporations and governments and whatever these huge organizations That are destroying everything So it's like it's like a it's just like a compounding problem the more the more you take Access to resources away from normal people and the more you give it to the to the big Organizations that are just motivated by the bottom line the worst the problem gets Even just giving people normal people back the access to the resources It would put it it would make a huge improvement because it wouldn't have to keep getting the stuff from the destroyers, right? but it's just insane and You know a lot of people even think that This whole idea that normal people will destroy everything if they if they are allowed to most people believe it and it's totally insane and You know, I lived in a forest in a cold place I lived on 25 acres in Vermont long winter. I heated my house with wood. I always cooked with wood I used a lot of wood to make fire, right? Guess how many trees I cut down per year to make fire Zero not a single tree and I didn't even have to go very far like the half acre around my house Was plenty of space, you know one or two trees would fall down every year And I'd be like well, this is more wood than I'm gonna use in I don't know the next year And then another tree would fall down I'd be picking between fallen trees Which everyone was closer to my house and had the driest wood I'd use that one like there was there was more resources than I could possibly use on like half an acre Now I'm not saying it saying that I could not possibly destroy everything like obviously it's It's possible a person's bent on just destruction could destroy things But a normal person who's just trying to live and do their stuff They're not wiping out like the fish population in the ocean. They're not wiping out all the trees They're not destroying all the air and all the stuff and and we keep being told that it just is normal people are the danger And we have to give all the access of all the access to resources to these these big Organizations because because they've paid and filled out the forms and gotten the permission and followed the regulations and All you normal people you haven't done that so you can't touch anything and so so people are stuck just like sitting their homes just like Completely helpless. Oh can't do anything. Oh Well, I need I need some stuff. So I just have to buy it from someone else can't do it myself just got to buy it and It's just crazy that now our now our lives have been have been Regulated into video games and movies so instead of like instead of This this amazing feeling that I tell you is amazing of like Going on an adventure and getting stuff and doing stuff with it and like turning into something. No and now instead we watch TV We play video games where where we do what we should be doing in real life, but we do it in the video game It's so insane and it's gotten to the point now Where people say if you're actually doing something in real life.  We should be living Anyway, I could go on for like another hour about this Well, what else do I want to talk about? That's pretty much it. I mean there's there's plenty of other stuff Let's see what you guys got going on. I was a little bit I was a little bit late today, which I mean isn't really that late like an hour late Because they usually try to do this up at five, but like I don't know. I'm later early a lot of times Because today I was waiting for a guy to deliver some sand. Oh It's so annoying when you like When you would you Like a guy his family needs money. I'm like, okay. Yeah, I need some sand. Can you can you bring it? We agree on a price and you know you come on this day Yeah, I'll be there at 10 in the morning and it's like Okay, I'm gonna pay attention because I have nothing else to do with my day other than hang around waiting for you Luckily, I know how this goes so I just I just worked on the floor and I was like I just kind of keep my ears out for boat or nothing didn't show up Yeah, and I and At six I just sent a message saying now just just come tomorrow. Don't don't come tonight. Just come tomorrow Anyway Also a pizza That I mostly ate. Okay. What's up, Jamie? Hey, Jamie. How's it going man? I think I just told you how it's going man I don't know things are going pretty good Yeah, I'm really excited about my second floor Feeling pretty good physically Mentally, I don't know I'm a little crazy, but I think I think my I think my marbles are all still mostly there I do have them just a mild headache from just talking to stupid people though God, oh, I can only take so much so many dumb conversations before I'm just like I can't take it anymore I might have to just I Don't know. Oh I need I need to get some I need to get some more intelligent people in my life Well, I mean the problem is I've been trying to meet like you know a lady partner, so I Don't have time to like go out and meet people in real life So I've been trying to meet people on the internet. The internet is terrible The internet has the worst people on it.  Well, it's a funny thing. Yeah Yeah, totally and it's gotten it's gotten significantly worse in my lifetime, but even when I was younger All right, let me let me I have talked about this before I don't think I mentioned in a while though but like When I was in high school in Canada, you know, I was in the I was in the gifted program which is just like the program for nerds and There was that there was a gifted room Where there was a telephone and some like books and stuff and like a hangout zone Really the gifted room was just where the nerds went to skip class. So there are always people hanging out in there So one day I'm in high school. I'm hanging out in there for a little bit I didn't spend that much time there, but I'd go in there once in a while So I'm hanging out in there and I hear some some dudes talking about free health care because in Canada We've got free health care And I lean over and I'm like, yeah, are you talking about universal health care? And he's like what universal health care free health care. What what it's the same thing. I'll pay for it I'm like, oh, you're paying for it. Well, you're not paying for it But your parents are paying for it. It is definitely not free It is not free at all and I start explaining it like like what I think is just so obvious To this guy who should like by high school. You should understand a lap that much stuff Especially when you're in the in the gifted program for nerds, right? Anyway This guy starts getting upset at me and he's like no free health care is the best and I and and he and his friends they're like Five of them sit on this table They they like get up and like start walking over to me like Saying oh, you get sick one day Then you'll then you'll regret what you said and I mean I did sports I was I was a nerd, but I did sports.  You just punched your neighbor. You know, that's that's a problem with these though The universal health care thing, but people will defend it like like tooth and nail like go and Even even just the the idea that maybe you don't want to participate in it I I told the guy I got I don't want to participate in that because like I exercise and eat well and take care of myself Chances are you who don't exercise and don't eat very well are gonna have much higher medical bills So I'm gonna be taking care of you my whole life. I don't want to do that You have to participate you're gonna be sorry just like craziness Yeah, it's um and yeah through my through my life It's just gotten worse and worse people are more and more just insane about Just defending the status quo, you know, but it's only a certain type of person, you know, it's not anyone It's not just anyone. It's it's it's a certain type of person who has a certain type of mindset where they think that The majority creates truth like consensus Make something true. So if you have you have 100 people in the room and 90 90% of them agree that something is true that automatically makes it true even if it's obviously not doesn't matter if it's Doesn't matter what evidence there is if you've got a if the majority agrees on it then it's true and and although fight about it and they won't they won't They won't they won't discuss it or argue about it in any kind of rational way They'll just they'll just get Incensed and enraged and emotionally fight over it And that's that's what's going on today where people people have lost their their ability to live and They've decided that it's a good thing because they can't face the idea that they're They're in this prison where they're being controlled and not allowed to do things that they obviously should be allowed to do Everybody should be allowed to build a dwelling for themselves Like it's so insane that anyone would have to ever ask permission to to construct a home For themselves. That's just such a crazy concept, but people will defend that. No, you have to everyone has to do that I have to do that. You have to cuz that's the best thing because without that Everyone would be killing each other all the time.  Yes, it's just that it's just that I don't know common sense common sense has just disappeared When you make a garden tiller Is that a question or a statement when you make a garden? It's like part of a sentence when you make a garden tiller. How are the veggies? So that's what you that was the next comment. No, I had the same guy when you make a garden tiller. How are the veggies? I'm not gonna try to guess what you're doing I don't know I don't have much I don't have much in the way of vegetables growing I have this spinachy kind of plant that's doing amazingly while it grows like a weed and then I have oregano Which is great. I had that's in my pizza and then I don't know if I have any other vegetables besides that. I have a pepper plant that sometimes has peppers Oh, I have a couple new squash plants that just popped up But in terms of fruits well, I also have lots of coconuts not a vegetable, but I Usually get a coconut every day Occasionally there's a little coconut drought. I and I get annoyed, but I've been getting coconuts every day And I have lots of banana tree. I shouldn't say lots of banana trees. I have some banana trees I need to plant more so I can continually have bananas the way it is right now every few months I have like like 250 bananas at once Anyway, yeah, I have some fruit grown lots of cocoa plums, which are not the best fruit Happy resurrection day everyone. I don't know what that is. I own a small amount of bush in Australia Well, let me just turn up my brightness here a little bit There we go. I own a small amount of bush in Australia and the government says I'm only allowed to stay there for a maximum of 60 days per year No building entitlements. I can't pay land tax and receive no service services The entire situation is insane like oh God So first like you don't own a small Piece of land the government owns it and you are renting it from them That's that's what that's what land tax is like if you if you own something You don't have to keep paying for it. You don't have to you don't have to pay for the right to keep owning it That's called rent when you have to keep paying for it. If you're paying yearly yearly taxes on your property You don't own it. You're renting it Which is which is insane like no one should be accepting this Yeah, but like I understand that fighting back is hard You know, I'm I've been fighting back for quite a while and yeah, it's it's a headache man. It's it's hard to do They won't let you they'll only let you stay there for some maximum of 60 days Why? Oh Oh New York wants to pass a law that you can only heat your house with electricity. Yeah, why you know Anyway, this this is this is like this civilization is going down the toilet and it's like People keep talking about oh when's it gonna collapse will it collapse? I don't know Maybe it's just conspiracy theories. No, it's like it's been collapsing for a while It's something as big as a civilization doesn't just like fall overnight It takes it takes like probably centuries to completely fall apart But like it's falling apart around us he like just pay attention look at things 10 years ago, you know the the most the most Stark contrast I ever noticed was when I built this house I mean, obviously, I'm still working out but when I spent a year building the main part of this house I didn't go on the internet for a year. I was just like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna work on this house and that's it And so I was offline for a year and then when I came back online like to go from Seeing what things were like and you know, you kind of get an idea of how things are going from from what's online But seeing things as they were and then going a year seeing none of the gradual change and then a year later popping back in oh It was it was just crazy the difference. I still haven't recovered from it. I'm still just like like I see the world as this insane place that just that just Is just going down the tube so fast But yeah, if you really want to see it if you really want to go to get a good idea of how bad things are and how How quickly they're going in the wrong direction. I shouldn't even say how bad things are Because relatively speaking things are still pretty good like it's it's not that hard to survive You can get food and roof over your head. It's just the direction things are going this accelerating direction toward things getting worse Yeah, just disconnect from everything and don't don't talk to anyone Well, I don't know if we're gonna do that But don't try not talk to anyone for like a year and then come out of hiding and just see See that difference all at once not gradual just bam and you'll be like whoa One year that much stuff happened in the wrong direction.  Yeah, it's totally insane What was I talking about? He only heat your health with electricity. Hi, Jamie. I see you swatting at mosquitoes and other flying bugs Can you try to use one of the handheld bug zappers the surface area of bug zappers bigger than your hand your friend in? Well, I'm not smacking anything right now. I'm okay Hi again, Jamie.  He isn't gonna save you from it in the rocks, you know But you gotta pay attention to that stuff This is this is the reason I was able to make my life as good as it is now and I'm not saying it's perfect but compared to Like the you know living in the suburbs where I grew up and this of course depends on Personality to but my my personality did not work in the suburbs. I hated it one of the one of the reasons I was able to get motivated enough to make the changes to To make my life as good as it is now Is just being aware of what was around me and how How much I didn't like it, you know But you know, you're gonna grow up, you know, whatever The universal healthcare types were the ones suggesting the unjabbed people should be denied healthcare during the pandemic Yeah, I'm denying me healthcare. No problem Yeah, the universal healthcare people are the ones who are like, let's get everyone on the on the passports What's it the the medical passports? I don't even remember what it was now They didn't they didn't manage to do it yet. They didn't manage to do it yet, right? I hope the thing where your passport has like all this extra information that no one needs to know Yeah, I don't know Like they're the people who want everyone to get like injected with with microchips So that you can be scanned at any moment your your position can be pinpointed by the government that you know anytime Well, if you're if you're not doing anything bad, they won't even care. It's like no, no, no The problem isn't if I'm doing something bad The problem is what if I'm doing something that I should be doing but the government just decides they want to mess with me And that's what that's where the problems is like The more the more information and it's you know governments just big organizations in general The people who want to control other people the more information they have about you the easier it is for them to control you and it there's it's already just crazy how much people are controlled now like Someone even pointed out one of these things on one of my On one of my videos some some AI bot was commenting on one of my videos Against solar power, you know, just making like manipulative Statements about how solar power is no good. You know, it's it's it's a waste. It's not really worth it You know, it's just if if that's being directed at my little tiny channel Like just just think about how how ubiquitous I think that's the word like it's just it's just everywhere just constantly Manipulating everything you do and everything people think and the really scary thing about that Is that AI is being programmed To do that like AI is being programmed to manipulate human beings to their own detriment so You know people are concerned that AI is going to destroy us, right? But it's like it's like these people haven't heard of that that possibility. So they're actually training. They're writing AI specifically to harm humans It's it's just so insane And you know 50 years from now when we're extinct Oh It's so insane. Maybe maybe this is why we look up at the night sky and don't see advanced civilizations Maybe it just goes like this. Maybe maybe a civilization gets to a certain point of of ease like a technological advancement that That makes life too easy For people and they start getting lazy and it makes it too easy to control things too easy to do bad things and too easy To do all this stuff and then you know, the whole thing just falls apart Personally, I think that the the best chance human beings would have to Uh continue far into the future is to become just absolutely unruly like to just to just become a species That is so revolted By the idea of being controlled that there is no there is no leader who can take control of someone else Through authority, you know so in that way so so then any leaders would have to be In leadership positions because people agree that their leadership is good and the moment their leadership Is not considered to be good there out of there, but none of this whole like authoritative leadership thing that that's That's just too disastrous, you know Oh, hi, jay. I stopped care. Let's see. Where are we here? Canadian free healthcare is nice, but you need to develop patients Canadian free healthcare. You're saying it again. There is no free healthcare You know I've not been in Canada for quite some time anyway, but I remember there being some kind of co-payments So you were paying for it with your taxes and when you got there Like I remember when we used to go to the dentist my mom always had to write a check to the dentist Yeah back when they used to write checks Because there was a co-payment. It wasn't it wasn't like you go there and it's covered by the taxes you've already paid Like it's just It's not free, man Is nice When you cut your arm and had to go to the hospital, did you use private healthcare or panama's public healthcare? I went to I just went to the hospital Um, let's see Great job I'm building a paddle boat using 55 gallon jobs.  Did you use private healthcare or panama's public healthcare? Okay, your question is nefarious And I'm not going to sit here and defend all of that Because I already know what you're going to say in response and blah blah blah. It's just your your question is not um It's not a good question Uh, let's see Because yeah, it's just it's just a question that's designed specifically to put me on the defensive And you know what? No Um, I mean if you want to ask in a more polite way fine Or less a less manipulative way Normal people don't clear cut. Oh man sociopaths. Oops.    I I get where that's coming from I'm building a paddle boat using 55 gallon drums. That's cool We live in a world full of propaganda. Yeah constant propaganda bombarded every day in the news youtube facebook tv's the list Uh tv the list goes on and on. Yeah, it was funny It was funny like years and years ago When I realized that it wasn't just the commercials that are trying to sell me something It was the shows themselves like sitcoms They're they're not there just to entertain you they're there to tell you how to behave Um and like one of the one of the big pushes in in our in north america And a lot of other parts of the world You know for many years has been to um What's it like Minimize the the the beneficial effects of men. What do you I'm saying this wrong to uh, basically Take men for granted and not appreciate anything to do. So that's why in every sitcom You know the dad has always looked To do he's always the one who falls off the roof and like does the dumbest thing. Oh, I don't know what's going on Like that's the dad all the time.  Uh, I've been an engineer for 10 years. I feel like my work makes the extremely wealthy richer And destroys the planet faster. I recently quit because I'm burned out I want to make a positive impact. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, man. Um Yeah, do it whatever whatever you're gonna do to try to make a positive impact You know years and years ago when I was feeling like that Like, you know, when I was paying off university loans, I was kind of doing Whatever I could to try to make money to Oh, I just got a message.  So just where does that mean?  I need to learn my Spanish the sand guy may have just told me he's coming To deliver sand right now. I hope not Let's see. I'm I'm coming. So is it now? What's a so Oh, I hope he's not coming now.  Anyway, um So one thing I decided to do I guess I'm gonna turn the light on here I decided that I would start looking at everything I was doing While disregarding the money involved in it so When I when I took when I started looking at my life and with that perspective It really changed the things I was willing to do and the things I was not willing to do um And at the time I was like playing the stock market. I was day trading And when I looked at it, it was like, okay, let me remove the money from the from the equation What am I doing? I'm sitting here staring at a screen Clicking on some garbage And just not adding any value to the world at all. So I was like, okay, let me close all those accounts. Let me do something else and I just started Trying to find ways to actually produce something of value even though I was making a lot less money But I I ended up being much happier doing that I can see it's getting dark there. I can hardly see you in the dark. No lights. Yeah Uh, did you hear About that experiment where they gave one sample of rats free healthcare and the other they let naturally select And by the end the naturally select ones were healthier And the experiment was was shut down because they couldn't afford the healthcare mice Oh That's yeah, that's not surprising. Well, I mean it's if you're Yeah, if you have two sets of people one set of people who are responsible for themselves And another group of people who are just kind of taken care of the people who are responsible for themselves will become more responsible And stronger and healthier. They'll be better at everything and the longer those two groups have those differing features The better the one group will get and the weaker the other group will get that's the other big thing about Uh, why socialism is is no good. You know, it just it weakens people Just in every possible way Me and you both see past the the majority mindset. Yeah, the majority mindset. Oh, it's It's useless. It doesn't it does. Yeah consensus does not make truth at all Uh Hello, jim a long time since I saw a live stream as it was happening Uh, you have completely disappeared.   I am paying into it when I was in canada you I didn't have a choice of whether or not to pay into the universal health care system So you're telling me that if I disagree with that I have to not use the health care services But I have to still keep paying for it You are an idiot.  I pay into it. I pay the taxes for it already Whether or not I use it and whether or not I use it as none of your business anyway Uh But generally speaking I don't so you know kiss my butt But that's that's totally an irrelevant point The important thing is if I don't have a choice of whether or not to to pay for the universal health care If I do it just because I don't like it and I don't like the system doesn't mean I should I should not be allowed to use what I am being forced to pay for God god like like So stupid like your brain is not functioning at all Like can you can you just shut up?    I don't know I can't wait to see you build the dry dock Oh as far as the immunization. Yeah, if people feel that the majority believes Something then they will fight you that mandatory gene therapy isn't wack. I don't I I think Did I read that wrong? I don't know Hey man salutations and good health. Well, thanks man Oh, god, what is this? Hi jamie. Do you understand that most of us cannot do what you do? I don't know what that means Or do you not realize that we cannot live without hand guiding? Like a job or school or cities or apartment rentals, of course you can Is this real ai is this an ai Is this an ai saying this because that doesn't make any sense at all Because throughout most of human history people live like that without someone telling them what to do Oh, but but every part that's like written down in history is is all about you know people being controlled. Yeah, most people Were not controlled, but that history doesn't get written down as much But yeah, you could totally I'm not saying you should but you could I don't say you can't because you don't feel like it I am using alcatel android phone. It is extremely horrible device always taking Pretty sure he can complain about anything he wants to is true It is this channel and he is a sovereign human being. Well, thank you. Thank you. Yes, that is true I can complain about anything I want to And I can especially complain about things I have to pay for without my choice That's that's something I can definitely complain about Is it possible to drill for wells in salt water? Where you are on this island? I don't think there's going to be any groundwater because it's like solid clay and the clay is waterproof I don't think there's any groundwater here. I actually considered Making groundwater It'll just be a lot of digging anyway Easter is a pagan holiday a counterfeit fake fest of the way Uh, wait, oh someone erased that you knew you were gonna get you were gonna start some trouble here, didn't you? Um, all right I think I have to go see what this message is that I got from the the sand delivery guy because I there's supposed to be a guy He was supposed to be here this morning delivering like 150 buckets of sand And he didn't come So I messaged him like an hour ago saying just come tomorrow But then he just messaged me something in Spanish. I didn't understand all of it And I think I better go translate check that he's not coming to in the freaking dark Let's stop all the talking and get building the giant robot. Oh, man I would love to build a giant robot But I got floors. I got to finish and I want to finish this loading dock over here So I can yeah, I got I got a bunch of stuff to do still um Before I get to giant robot But I but I'm I'm definitely making progress in that direction in terms of you know Just getting things done and in increasing my capabilities and stuff um Great catch up catch you later jamie you too. Oh, is that oh to look like eyeballs because it totally looks like eyeballs or nostrils All right, I'm gonna get out of here and see what the sand guy says I I really hope he's not trying to show up in the dark.  I'm gonna have to walk through the water to get that Yeah Ball bearings. Yes the morning turtle All right, I'm gonna get out of here you guys have an excellent morning or afternoon or evening or middle of night or whatever you got


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An ideology is a collection of normative beliefs and values that an individual or group holds for other than purely epistemic reasons. The term was coined by Antoine de Stout de Tracy in 1796, who conceived it as the science of ideas. In contemporary philosophy it is narrower in scope than that original concept, or the ideas expressed in broad concepts such as worldview, imaginary and ontology. In the political world, for instance, there are many well-known political ideologies, which cover a wide range of human interests. In the modern Al-Pasarian sense, ideology is the imagined existence or idea of things as it relates to the real conditions of existence. The term ideology was born during the reign of Terreur of French Revolution, and acquired several other meanings thereafter. The word, and the system of ideas associated with it, was coined by Antoine de Stout de Tracy in 1796, while he was in prison pending trial during the Terreur. The word was created by assembling the word's idea, from Creeke de Ait near to the Lockean sense and Logy, from Ait. The coup that overthrew Maximilien Rogue's Pierre allowed Tracy to pursue his work. Tracy reacted to the terroristic phase of the revolution by trying to work out a rational system of ideas to oppose the irrational mob impulses that had nearly destroyed him. He devised the term for eight science of ideas he hoped would form a secure foundation for the moral and political sciences. He based the word onto things, one sensations people experience as they interact with the material world, and two the ideas that form in their minds due to those sensations. He conceived ideology as a liberal philosophy that would defend individual liberty, property, free markets, and constitutional limits on state power. He argues that among these aspects ideology is the most generic term, because the science of ideas also contains the study of their expression and deduction. Tracy worked this out during Napoleonic regime, and Napoleon Bonaparte came to view ideology the term of abuse, which he often hurled against his liberal foes in Tracy's Institute National. According to Karl Mannheim's historical reconstruction of the shifts in the meaning of ideology, the modern meaning of the word was born when Napoleon used it to describe his opponents as the ideologues. Karl Marx adopted this negative sense of the term and used it in his writings he described Tracy as a fish-belveigie bourgeois stochatroner, the fish-blooded bourgeois doctrinaire.


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