All right. Welcome to the women of OpenStack working lunch instead of working breakfast. Who likes that? Yay. Me too. Me too. So I'm so honored to be hosting our lunch today along with we have some great speakers and we'd love for you guys to also maybe turn around after the discussion is over and maybe talk in smaller groups about what you've heard from our panelists today. I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Jessica Marillo and I work at IBM and we're very pleased to be hosting this session. I did want to share with you guys to start our women of OpenStack mission statement that we wrote as a group in June of 2016. So I'll kind of hit some of the high points and then you can read this as also out on our women of OpenStack wiki. We strive to lower the barrier of entry to OpenStack in its learning and its use. We are looking to increase the overall diversity of the OpenStack community. We provide professional and social networking for women and their advocates with common interests in OpenStack and open source technologies. We're looking to achieve these goals through leading and sponsoring educational sessions and networking events that promote inclusion in the OpenStack community. So really what we're focused on is bringing groups together and supporting ourselves as well as the OpenStack community. So we did a demographic survey at the end of 2016 leading up to the Barcelona Summit and this I have to say is consistently the key focus areas since we started having this working session back in the 2014 timeframe at the Paris Summit. It's for us we want to help each other build our networks. We want to educate and provide technical workshops. We want to help women advance into leadership positions not only within their company but within the community and we do that with a focus on mentoring and coaching. So we always like to look back on what we've accomplished over the last six months. So I'm really proud of our mentor program. I think that's one of the things that we've done well. We have speed mentoring events that was held yesterday. Thank you to Intel for sponsoring that. It would have to be one of the better the best session that I've been to. We've been doing it since Austin. There was the quality of conversations, the interactions we had. I got to participate as a mentee which I thought was awesome because I got to know my table mates really well as the mentors kind of cycled through. So I highly encourage if you have an opportunity to participate in either the long-term mentoring or the speed mentoring program do so. We've also we've continued to sponsor panel discussions. We've had them in Boston, Barcelona, Austin, Tokyo and Vancouver. And we some of the engagement activities in addition to speed mentoring that I just talked about and this working session. We sponsor a Git and Jarrett lunch and learn. That will be tomorrow at 12.40 and there'll be more information. If you want to see in the schedule, if you want to look for any women of open stack activities or that feature prominent women of open stack, just search for women of open stack in the online application and they'll bring up those activities. So it's great that we come together at the summit but we also strive to have regular communications between the summits. So one of the things that we put together in Barcelona was an editorial calendar. So we meet two times a month. It's on the odd Mondays at 2000 UTC and in one of those meetings we have a featured speaker. So thanks to Beth Cohen we have started we've been able to record those speaking sessions and we will continue that for the second half of the year and make those available through our Etherpad or the women of open stack wiki. And you can always join our women of open stack distribution list to get regular updates as well and there is a LinkedIn group that you can join. So what we have planned for you today, I'm very excited.  And I would love for you guys to think of some tough questions to ask them. We have it set up with the microphones on the side. Thank you. So I introduce myself. The way I'd like for you all to introduce yourself. I've been working with open source since the late 90s. One of the coolest assignments I've had at IBM is working with our Linux technology center. It was my first opportunity to work with an open community and it was something that has really had a profound impact on the way I work, the way I lead and the way I interact with people. So if you could Malini, if you could introduce yourself and talk a little bit about what you do with the open community, that would be great. Hi everyone. I'm Malini Bandaru, a principal engineer at Intel and unlike you, I've been with open source only for about five and a half years and it's all started for me with OpenStack. Very cool. Egla? I'm Agnes Ziggler. I work at Rack Space. I'm a principal architect there. I am also on OpenStack board of directors. I have been involved in OpenStack communities since 2012 and now most of my work revolves around open source projects. I spend a lot of time working on the OpenStack interop working group and Catherine from IBM is also involved in it. We could definitely use more women on that group. If you want to learn more about it, let me know. Yes, great. So my current job at IBM is working on strategy. And when I entered the engineering profession, I knew that you have to be lifelong learners, right? Things are always going to change. So I'd like to hear from you Malini first from working at Intel. What are some of the product innovations do you see coming in the next five to 10 years? First and foremost, being a hardware company. We're always looking at technology from that then. Moore's Law is alive. Things are shrinking, packing in more. But that packing in more is happening in every phase, in networking, in compute, in storage. And one of the latest things in storage is something called 3D cross point. It's non-volatile memory, very fast and very dense. So that can totally change how computing happens. Because earlier on, you had your 3.5 gigahertz CPU frequency and your HDD was way, way slower. So you had levels of cache. Used to hide that latency of reaching memory. And all that will get really, really changed now with 3D cross point. We're just at the beginning. The media is getting ready, but all the controllers have to still get in place. So you'll find a layer of caching under your DRAM with this 3D cross point. You might find moving your compute towards memory, maybe having non-volatile file systems, sitting in your DRAM type of stuff. So it's just going to revolutionize things. So you talked a little bit about 3D cross point. What about like internet of things and kind of the explosion of data? What impacts do you see that happening? I see lots of edge clouds happening. Because finally, you know, all this data has to reach you and me and everyone. And so it does make sense to have like content distribution networks closer to the point of consumption with, you know, internet of things. You're not going to like bubble up every little temperature sensor reading. You still might want to aggregate it, determine if it's going, you know, outside of some bounds. Is there some alarm situation? Things like that. So there will be a lot of edge clouds out there, which will do a lot of the processing close to you. So there's reduced latency and then it bubbles up to the cloud. So, Egla, so your day job is working at Rackspace in addition to you being a Foundation board member. So thank you very much for your leadership there. So what are some of the key technology trends do you find your clients are asking for? I think we're heading towards multi-cloud world. And I think the trend has started a while ago, but we see more and more of that. If you're not looking at different multi-clouds or hybrid clouds, you will be very soon. And our customers now, they're not only interested just in open stack or just in VMware. We find that they're running their workloads on open stack VMware. Open stack VMware, AWS. I think it's amazing that now you can combine all of them and the technology started evolving. I think last time at Platform 9 company, they were on the keynote stage demoing their open stack on AWS. And I think that's amazing. And even today during keynote, they didn't talk about it, but their open stack was running on AWS. So I think that's where we're headed. Yeah. I mean, some of the things that I get to work with in addition to systems like Malony is emerging technology trends like blockchain and artificial intelligence and machine learning. And the amount of reading that I have to do on a daily basis, it's constant, right? I mean, we're all kind of flipping through our phones where we have different feeds that come in. So talk a little bit about how you, we'll start with you, Agla. How do you stay in tune with the latest technology? And how do you know what to act upon? I think it's really hard to stay on top of everything and know everything. I think I try to focus on things that are related to my job and see how I can apply. Those are the things I learn. But I say on top, like I follow some people on Twitter that always are talking about new technology. So when they say, oh, cool, check out this cockroach DB or something like that, you're like, oh, let me see what that is. So at least you know what it is. And you hear the name. And next time you hear, you're like, I heard this, I know what it is. And okay, it's just another database, but it has these advantages. So that's what I try to do because otherwise it's just so much information. And if you go and learn something today, three months from now, that technology will have changed and may have even become irrelevant. So you have to be picky in what you spend your time on. Yeah, I mean, there's different tools you can use. You mentioned Twitter. I think it's great. I love looking at different Twitter feeds. Seeking Alpha is another website that I've been using. It's also they have a mobile app to get information as well. But Malini, how do you stay? How do you kind of call through everything to find those those nuggets that you really need to understand and use? I don't think I'm doing a good job. It's just like a flood out there. And I like a name like cockroach TV because it kind of sticks in your head. Then there's like so many that are so similar and I like litter becomes jitter becomes something else, something else. But one of the things that is sticking in my head right now is the AI part. And sometimes, like you can't decide what to work on or how much and what to read up. Sometimes it also helps when you're shifting your job because then you can shift your focus. So just recently, I joined the connected car team at Intel. So you need cloud there. But you also need big data. You need, you know, real time analysis and and real time messaging and transmitting. So suddenly now in this domain in my world, now I was like, okay, there's Kafka, there's Hadoop, there's part, there's X, there's Y, there's Z. So it does help to focus when you have a different job. You can look from a different viewpoint. I think I agree with both what you said. There's so much, maybe making it, making one of these new technologies a part of your job, maybe not switching jobs, but incorporating it into your day to day work, I think is something that makes it relevant.  You have to learn deeper. You have to dive deeper. So we talked a little bit earlier. I talked about the importance of mentorship and mentors and mentees to the OpenStack, the women of OpenStack. So talk a little bit about your mentors. Melanie will start with you. Do you have a mentor or a network of mentors? How does that work for you? Definitely. Mentors can come in any shape, size, form, gender, age. So take anybody and everybody who, you know, sometimes you're just down, or sometimes you don't know where that path is and something they say will resonate with you. And at that point, they've moved from maybe friend to mentor and it could even be your child at that point. And I've been very fortunate. And starting at Intel, it's like a very male dominated community and lots of men engineers. So it's hard to even get your voice heard. And I think what helped me stay there beyond my first year, I was like, you know, give them one year, let's see how it goes type of stuff, was that they had women at Intel forum and a group and got people to come and say, oh, there's another one, another one. And there were little strategies and tips that they shared, you know, like, if there's a woman running a meeting and she hears you kind of like clear your throat says, oh, Malini, do you have something to say and like makes room for you to enter. So this is kind of a way we can help each other. And that's something we've been carrying forward, sharing any tip, introducing people and that line between mentor and sponsors can be a big divide. So try and bridge it sometimes for mentors, become a sponsor to say, you know, I know Jessica's work, she's so great and she does this and pull her in type of stuff. And so try and morph there. No, and you brought up a concept of an advocate or a sponsor, which is a little bit different than a mentor to me. Mentors to me are people who give me advice. Sponsors are people who help me get to the next thing. So, you know, I've had, I've had mentors who were sponsors and sponsors who weren't mentors, but it just kind of happened that way. So so I'll talk a little bit about advocates or sponsors you've had in your career and how they've helped you. I think I was very fortunate that I had some very good advocates and sponsors at my career in Rackspace. I didn't have them to begin with, but then once I met them and connected and they recognized me for my work and they're very quick to promote me and push me towards doing more things. And they were saying, yes, you should go do this. Yes, I want you to follow up on this. So that's been definitely very helpful. I think sometimes we're like, well, how do I find one of these? And it could, as Malini mentioned, it could be your mentor, or it could be just someone that you start working with. And I try to be very conscious of that now myself when I work with other people. And I try to encourage them just the way I was encouraged. I want everyone else to have the same opportunities that I did. Oh, yeah, giving back. So, yes. And at Rackspace, we also have something called mentor circles that started as mentoring for women, but has grown into company-wide where it's now open to both men and women. And mentor circles meet once a month in a small group with a leader from a company and they discuss different topics. And I think that has really helped me when I went through the initial mentor circles program. And I'm very happy to see that we continue having them. That's cool. It comes full circle. So, yeah, you have to be a mentor and a mentee all the time. And I think my current mentors, they probably don't know that they're my mentors. I just go to them and I ask questions like, hey, how would you do this? Or what would you do in this situation? Yeah, I completely agree with that. I think the difficult thing for any mentor-mentee relationship is continuing it, making it, sometimes it's spontaneous, but then you have to keep that spark going. And I'm just speaking from personal experience. They kind of die if you don't have something that sustains it. So, I think asking questions and getting on people's calendar and having lunch with them, I think it's something that's really a very good strategy. So, be creative. If the weather's nice, go for a walk with your mentor or mentee. Anything works. Yeah, that's a good idea. Very good idea. So, we often talk about pipeline for women or young girls into technology fields. We've all seen the research, less than 20% of our engineering schools have female candidates. We've all seen it as we've gone through our schooling as well, being one of two girls in your engineering class, your programming class. But there is also, you'll notice, once we started our career, attrition of women out of this field. And so, I'd like to talk a little bit about what we do to support women who are in the profession today and how to keep them.  You talked about what's happening into all the women's group. Are there other things that you personally do to encourage and inspire other technologists at your companies or in the community? So, personally, I try to have a group of women that I stay in touch with at Rackspace. And if I, whether I meet them during some event within the company or someone introduces me to them, I try to keep touch with them and to see what's going on. And like, even if they're not looking for a mentor, I give them advice. I say, hey, you have to, you need to ask for a promotion. You need to be doing this. You need to speak up. Don't assume that just because you are doing a wonderful stellar job that you will get a promotion. Don't, don't make any assumptions that other people will notice. It's the squeaky wheel that will get promoted, unfortunately. If you have a very, very thoughtful manager, you don't have to, but unfortunately, we can't count on our managers at all times. Yeah. I like to think it's not what I know, but it's who knows what I know. And what am I doing to make people know what I know? And it's constant. You know, it's, it's, it's, you have to kind of create a system of doing that.  I think everyone can, can think about this like, okay, when do I need to pipe up? When do people need to know about me? So what about you, Malini? So mine's a little more tactical. I mean, I do the mentoring. I encourage, as you got to ask for your promotion, but you know, attrition can happen very easily when, you know, we have children and many of our societies are like the mother does the most, okay? She puts them to sleep. She makes them the breakfast and coming from India, China, that's very common. And I'm sure in the US too. So what I found that does help me retain women and this is me as being a manager and a leader is like saying, you know, go ahead and work a day or two from home if that's going to help you juggle things.   So I've offered flexible hours, work from home a couple of times. And then oftentimes when we have our meetings, because we're cross geo like China and Mexico and all that, I can hear that little squeaky voice in the background, mommy, when you're coming, when you're done, I just feel for them because long ago was me there, right? And I could have just dropped out of this profession because it's so demanding in us. It's not ending when the daycare ends. So I try to have fewer meetings at that time. I try and say, you know, is this the day your husband can be at home? And then that's the day when you present as opposed to somebody else presenting. So I try and kind of handle these kind of tactical issues. And then you need another monitor. Did you lose your phone?  And then make them know that we care about them, count on them and, and their success and our success is joined. And I appreciate you doing that because as a new mom, all of that rings true for me. My manager's like, yeah, work from home as much as you need to, if that helps you, shave time, not too much travel or no travel or not too much travel since you have a new baby. So that's all makes a huge impact. If I did not have supportive management, I don't know that I would have been able to stay and do what I do. Because this just melt down there. They can't take this anymore. Well, what you say, it's not just a mother's worry either. I think that's also a worry increasingly for more new fathers who want less travel. They want to be with their family. They want to support their new children and their family. So I think that's just a good overall practice as well. But I love that you kind of you understand, you can take that from your kind of your understanding and you kind of share that with them. That's awesome. So that's where diversity helps, right? Because we're thinking from that angle. Yes. Yes. So let's let's talk a little bit about diversity now. So I agree that when you have diversity on your teams, when in your organization, in a community, it just makes everything better. It makes your products better. It makes your clients happier. Research shows that you have more satisfaction with products made by diverse teams. So what do you do to make a case for diversity when you're creating a team? Because so many times, we're on these technology teams, we're like, let's get Tom and let's get Bobby and let's get Billy. And you're like, wait a second, what about Sally? Can Sally be on the team too? How do you increase that diversity of teams and diversity of thought? Very, very conscious. Like really likes like, okay? So you know, there's a storage lead in our team and can we please have so-and-so? It's a he in America speaks English. There we go again.  She's been in this area for many years. She's in our China team. Her English written is good. So I have to really fight that barrier. I know there's going to be success at the end of the day. And some of the things I tried to do there, you know, now that we know we have a Sally somewhere, is like, you know, let's try and bring Sally over two weeks earlier. Let me try and have you both in the same town working together. So you build a bond and you realize you can, you know, jump high up and be caught by each other type of stuff. And it's a lot of effort. And another thing is, even our China manager, awesome guy, really good technical, he says, oh, but she asked me for a work-life balance. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. She'll be wonderful. Just help her right now. I mean, those children won't be children too long. And if we don't have children, who's going to buy all this technology in 10, 20 years? So true. So do you have any other strategies to kind of help that diverse team, help build diverse teams? So I try my best to make sure that we go to Chris Hopper and hire as many women from there as we can. Because all of my friends either already work at Rackspace or have worked there and I'm running out of friends and I cannot bring any more. So I need new friends. All right. Egla needs new friends. If you're looking for a job, let me know. That's great. That's great. So this is a question that I'd like for you guys to turn to the person next to you and discuss. But first, I want to hear it from, from Malani and Egla. So what is, we'll start with Malani first. What is the most challenging part of your role? Keeping up with all this knowledge information. I think we've got the human part kind of set, you know, having been at Intel eight years, I know who to reach out for what and then to pull teams together. But there's so much information out there. And sometimes we think of open source projects like mushrooms. I mean, there's a new project coming somewhere. Can I leverage it? So for me, it's this information overload. Gotcha. What about you, Egla? For me, it's time and time management. I have all these opportunities that I can be spending time on, whether it's working on open stack and community related things or whether it's on doing actual technical things at my current job or I am part of another board within RAC space. So I feel like I have to choose where I'm going to spend my time and at the same time making sure that I'm taking care of myself and my family. So if anyone has any ideas on how to extend the hours in the day, please let me know. All right. But to that comment, there is no work-life balance. It's just going to be things everywhere. So it's all about prioritizing and your priorities will change in life over time. And this is like what's the most important or what's going to be giving you the most return and you have to do that constantly. Yeah. If you want to write a book and you don't have time for it, find the time. Don't do as much work. It's terrible advice, but that's the only way to do it. No. I mean, I think you're right. I mean, I think the work-life balance, it's a fallacy. It's always imbalanced and you're always trying to figure out your priority. I completely agree with that. So make sleep a priority, okay? Yes, sleep is good. Okay, for Agla, so what is the best career decision that you've made? So I was thinking about this and I had two and they're kind of similar. One is move companies and another one move teams. For moving teams, it was within rack space and I was on a team for I think almost four years. I knew everything inside out. I could do everything from get requirements, write code to deploy to production. It was one of those devs that had production access and everybody relied on me and I was like, wow, what am I going to do next? And then I got someone asked me to join a different team and it was one of the most difficult decisions for me that I agonized about. I felt like I had to be loyal to this other team and another project that I invested so much time and energy on and everybody counted on me and how could I leave them? It was very hard, but I moved and it turned out to be the best decision I could make. At least for me. The other team went on fine. I was replaceable and I grew. My career really took off after I moved to another team. Okay. I'm going to switch it up, Molly. What is the worst career decision that you've made? I think there's a point you've got to return. If something's not working, you have to change. One time, I was like, okay, like this. I know this stuff. I've invested so much. Maybe if I stay another year, I'll turn it around. The stock will be worth something. Because if you're number three or number four or something in a company, it's a pretty big deal. The decision I made was to stay. It wasn't so bad. There was jobs afterwards, but I think there was just a wasted year and it just went downhill after that. Trust your instinct when you feel you can't make a change or they're just so ingrained and they're going to keep going that path and they have their little clicks and they're not going to open up and change their minds. It's now your job to fix everything, move on. There was like an eight-month price. It's okay. Very good. Do we have any questions for our panelists from the audience? Do you mind just moving to the microphone? That way everybody will hear you. It would be great. Thank you. It's kind of a contradiction in my mind that I'm just speaking aloud here.  You said you would like to hire similar women and what not. But there was this incident that happened not very long ago. We were talking about a colleague, a male colleague and me. We were talking about one of the keynote presentations from OpenStack. It was a particular presentation by a woman and we were talking, I thought, more about the technical aspects of it. Oh, why? That doesn't make sense. And then he goes, yeah, I think that doesn't make sense. They had to put her up there because they want a representation. And that kind of made me very angry. Good. That was the right response. The point is, we are talking the technical merits you may like. You are entitled to your opinion. In fact, to be honest, I didn't think of it very highly from a technical point of view, but that's besides the point. To brush it off, to say that happened, she was put there. I mean, I can tell you so many other keynotes or other presentations, again, not to my taste or what I mean. So the point I'm trying to make is sometimes women achieve something in life, achieving their career, but they are dismissed off. They are not given the credit they deserve because they think they are there because somebody thought they needed to be called up there. So how do you find that? I mean, I don't mean to say that we have to kind of back off on these attempts to make it, but we need it. I have two daughters myself. We need to keep up that effort and at the same time, how do you fight this? So one, slightly grow thick skin. I mean, there are going to be such comments. You're going to just have to keep fighting it. Right now, I say we have to do twice as much work to get half as much credit. Hopefully one fine day that'll change by the time your daughters are older, but do grow a thick skin and there was a time when our own Intel CEO said, hey, 300 million for diversity. You hear the announcement, read about it, you come down for lunch, and then this colleague of mine that I work sometimes, oh, that means you're going to get a promotion. My hand went down, bang, on the table. It was a nice good loud fist. His boss's boss was sitting across the table who happens to be a mentor of mine and friend, and then he just like laughed up and said, are we going to have bloodshed here? So that immediately calmed me down. But then I appreciated this guy made this night remark. Many people just think it in the back of their mind. So you had an opportunity to challenge the guy and say, let's talk some more about this. And I'm so glad this man said it out loud. So everybody at the table could talk about it. Otherwise, sometimes people blog about it. Some people simmer about it. And then I did bubble it up further all the way up to my VP. And then I said, I'm glad he's talked about it. So we could have that discussion. And he could relate that woman to one little human sitting right next to him. And that human even challenged him saying, it's not just about your daughter six years later.  So I'm just like you. And just the shapes different or the voice octave is different type of stuff. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you have to at a certain point, you have to stop caring what other people think. And you but you have to be self aware. Okay, it can't be, you know, I'm great. I do everything wonderful. You don't no one does everything wonderful. So I think it's a balance of, you know, you have to have affirmation from within versus external affirmation. And you have to be very self aware of what your strengths are. Yeah, and definitely challenge them.  Would they like here? Ask them, like, what about the other talks today, the ones from the males? Did you find something technically not so great type of stuff in and make it more objective? Any other company will start with the numbers. Yeah. Thanks, Dean. There was a question there too. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, thanks. Yes. First of all, there's so few of us and watching out for each other matters. So I'm just so happy that Diane does that. Okay. She is an active sponsor. So she when she hires women and she says they're good, she'll say, Hey, you know, you're ready for the next level. And then she reaches out to get letters of recommendation. She reviews the wording and says, you know, it's more powerful if you change this work.  You know, they're great to cooperate with or they have a breadth of knowledge, you know, those power words, sometimes people forget to use it. Just say, Oh, she smiled at you type of stuff. And then I never had a sponsor for the longest time till I had one. And boy, it's like having the sun shining in this room. Okay. I mean, like the full blaze of it. And my sponsor is Ruchi, who's been on the panels multiple times. I never knew it. I mean, I get goosebumps thinking about it.  You can run this, you can do that. And hey, you guys are doing a local event, make it a global hackathon. She challenges you, but she never hesitates to promote you. She never hesitated to put you in front of others to fight for your case. And I remember at one of my promotion cases, somebody we approached for recommendations that Oh, you know, she'll get a recommendation from someone because she's friends with him. I was like, Where did that come from? I wouldn't even ask that person for the recommendation. And so what did Ruchi do?  This person is good enough that there'll be multiple recommendations to choose from.   They say this person can rise to my level and beyond. I just want to see them bloom. Yes, absolutely. And if you're in any type of leadership role or come across opportunities, whether it's for speaking for conferences, for leading workshops or anything like that, and you cannot do it, ask another woman to do it. Say, Hey, I was asked to do this workshop, but I don't have time. Can you do it? And you'll be amazed that they're like, you think I can do it? We'll be surprised. Yeah, it's like we can't do everything ourselves, right? Look around, find people that can take some of that stuff away from you and hopefully grow into something big and wonderful themselves. Yeah, so we have time for one more question and then we're going to take a group picture. So yeah, go ahead. My experience, managers have to be advocates. And so finding male advocates is actually pretty easy because a lot of males have daughters. Once they have a daughter, they have an understanding of what it's like for us in the technology field. So I think it's by creating that awareness and creating that connection is what will help get through that. I'll comment. Intel numbers. So we incentivize our managers like count the number of males in your team, count the number of women. And, you know, we want to make this like the population representation one fine day 50-50. Today we might have any 20 to 30 percent women. So at least let me see 30 percent of your report is being women. So we incentivize or whatever dictate by the number of women we wanted to be representative. So nowadays managers, if a woman kind of applies, they're all kind of zooming in and trying to get that candidate. And it's now very active. And so we say we're not asking you to hire somebody who's not good. If you have equal performance capabilities, qualities, resume match, we'd like you to choose the woman over the man. So that's how we're handling it at Intel. Definitely something that you should focus on, right? Have a metric around it, right? Yeah. People want to meet metrics. Yeah. And so I think if your company hasn't done that, do unconscious bias training for managers. And at least if you can ask to be on the panels when they're interviewing other women. So it's not, you know, a woman comes to interview with your team and it's all guys and, you know, she probably was like, I don't want to work with them. And so make sure she sees at least another woman when being interviewed. Yeah, that's a great question. So we do that. And then we do another thing. When we write the, you know, the rec, the description of the job, there was one company that I came to know that reviewed the text and says, you know, this sounds too masculine when you start saying, must have this, this, this. And you just put, you know, a list of 10 diverse things. So they say, tone down that word, say it's nice to have three out of these five things or three out of these 10 things, or it would be nice to have. So we don't push back the women because this was even mentioned one of those lean in talks. The man will say, Hey, I have two out of those 10. I'm, I'm the best fit. Oh, I only nine out of 10. And I won't even apply for it. So we've changed things in the wording too. That's so true. All right.  I do want to thank my panelists. Melanie, thank you so much. I go to thank you so much for sharing your, your insights and wisdom. You'll see up upstairs, up there, some ways that you can continue to stay engaged through the women of open stack mailing list. I talked about the meetings that we have, you can search for women of open stack wiki. You'll see the next meeting listed as well. We would love for you to join our long term mentoring program. And we very much look forward to seeing good Sydney. If you haven't done so already, please grab a t shirt. Thank you to our sponsor IBM and Maria Rita for doing a great job pulling this all together. And we'd love for you to stay for 45 more seconds to take our, our group photo. So if you guys can come up to the front, we'd love to see your smiling faces with us. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


This one, if you want to use it, you just have to kind of talk like right into it. You have to talk just like that, yeah. I heard you wanted to use mostly just this one. Should I just use this for me? Sure, if I say you want to do it. Or if someone, like if you stay here, if you're handing it around, you can turn this one on. If you still have it.  Sounds good. Sounds good to me. Thank you. So you can. Yeah. It's interesting where we are now.  People that were watching. So it's really, it's a really good, it's a really good evening going away party for friends at the Bunker Farm. So anyway, it was nice to finally meet him. Yeah. Hey, everyone. As folks are starting to come in here, I think we're going to, we're going to go ahead and get started. Folks who are coming in, feel free to come towards the front of the room. I won't bite. Welcome everyone. My name is Gary Holloway. I've been asked to facilitate this discussion on supporting downtowns. In my profession, I'm the downtown program manager for the state of Vermont. So I work with downtowns across Vermont, helping them in normal days, but also in crisis, he's two, right? We get called to all kinds of duties. So in my day job, that's what I'm doing is to help support downtowns. And obviously a lot of attention has been put towards Montpelier. I'm also a resident of Montpelier. I live in a townhill neighborhood. My home and my family are okay. We were spared by the flooding. But we know that a lot of folks in this room and our community were significantly impacted by the flooding. And we're here today kind of building off the conversation that many of us were at a couple of weeks ago to talk about what we're scared about, what were actionable items that we can move forward. So a lot was expressed a couple of weeks ago just to kind of lay everything on the table. We're trying to take it a step further and we're trying to move towards some things that we may be able to do together as a community. So we're going to really try to think about positive forward-thinking ideas that have action behind them. And we're not going to, although we can still be frustrated, and that's okay to express that, we're not going to spend too much time on what could have happened, but what we can now do moving forward. So all the ideas that are going to be expressed here today are going to be recorded. We have a scribe over here that's taking all the ideas, so we don't want you to think that we're doing our best to capture everything in all of the sessions. And what we're trying to get to after our, you know, our 50 minutes, however much time we have here together is to really identify those two or three things. We have a list of ideas and they're all important, but we really want to get to two or three things, those short-term that we can feel like we can have some achievement towards, as well as some long-term things that we can work together. Now, who's going to do these things? All of us, or maybe some of us. But what we're not going to do is hand a list over to the city and say, here's the laundry list of things that the city's going to do for us, or that the state should do, or that the federal government should do for us. We're all partners in this, and we all are going to have to stand behind the things that we come up with in the room, and that's what we're going to try to get to. On the 7th of September, we're going to take these kind of top ideas from all the different rooms, and there may be some ideas that don't make it to the top, but as we kind of look through all the ideas from all nine sessions, we might see a theme that emerges in every single room that we say, you know what, this needs to be a priority, and we pull it into that. And then on September 7th, we're going to talk more about that and figure out what the action plan is and who's going to line up behind it and how are we going to get this done. Let me see if there's any other. And the other thing I'm just going to kind of set this tone for, and then I'm going to start to hear from all of you, is we think about supporting downtowns. There's lots of ways we can support the downtown, right? We know that the businesses have been impacted. We know that the residences have been impacted. Property owners are public spaces. The events that we like coming to in downtown haven't been happening, or they've been happening somewhere else. They've been happening up at the College Green, which is fortunate that we have that. We need to think about reimagining, as Sarah said, at the end that things are going to look different, and we have to adapt to that change. I really appreciate how she framed that. As we reopen downtown, it's not like we're going to flick a switch and it's all going to be back open again. We're going to see businesses that are going to open up in a couple weeks or a month. We're going to see a few more businesses open up a month later. Some businesses will never return. There's going to be a lot of different changes and things, and we're going to have to kind of think about that as we reopen the downtown, as we promote the downtown to others to come and visit again. I want to spend about 10 minutes just thinking about what are all the things that we're doing already, collectively as a community, to support the downtown. That can be anything. I'm not going to give anyone really more than a minute. I'm going to hold the mic. This is an opportunity for you to share quickly some ideas, one or two, and then I'm going to move on to the next person so that everyone in the room feels like they have a chance to speak. We're going to spend about 10 minutes just talking about what's already existing and supporting so we can get that documented. Then we'll move into the ideas that we can discuss together and then prioritize in the last 20 minutes. Before I jump into that, I want to recognize that we have some resource members in the room here who are either those who were directly involved, like Montpelier Live, we have some representatives here and I'll have them introduce themselves, who were involved directly with the response and recovery during this flood, where we may have others in the room who were around during Tropical Storm Irene and were helping other communities during this time. Then we have some other experts in the room that have kind of a broad range of experience dealing with fires or dealing with floods or dealing with other types of disasters in downtown. They're here to listen. They're here to provide a little perspective for the community to listen to. We really appreciate they're taking their time to be here. Then we have our scribe over here. I'm going to start with Alice, if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself quickly. Hi, I'm Alice and I work with Gary at the State of Vermont and I'm your scribe. Great. I'm Peter Wach. I'm a resident of Montpelier. Helped with Montpelier Live flood relief efforts and I run Efficiency Vermont. So I'm here in Manhattan too. Help is an understatement there. Thanks, Peter. Hi, I'm Bob Stevens. I'm an engineer with Stevens & Associates down in Brattleboro and a developer.  I've done a lot of design work, a lot of construction design after Irene. I'm Katie Trouts and I'm the director of Montpelier Alive and many of you know I've been working on this since day one. Hi, everyone. I'm Leanne Tingay. I was Gary before Gary. And was around for, I know it's so weird. I was around for the recovery during Irene. Right now I'm also with, I'm associated with the Orton Family Foundation's Community Heart and Soul. I have other resource members in the back here, right? And if I forget anyone who was not listed on the resource team, please, please help me. Oh, here, go ahead. Hi, I'm Rebecca Ellis. I'm the state director for Senator Peter Welch. Sorry about that. I was also the chair of the Waterbury Select Board in one of the two state reps during Tropical Storm Irene and I led Waterbury's long-term community planning process which was about a nine-month effort somewhat similar to this and took about five, ten years to complete. I'm MK Monley. I was president of revitalizing Waterbury during Tropical Storm Irene. Rebecca was a rock star. Yeah. I'm Leigh Schlegel. I helped Rebecca in MK during Tropical Storm Irene and I am the vice chair of our long-term recovery committee this time around in Waterbury. Did I miss any resource team members that are here?  Okay, great to have you all here. Alice, you're going to help me keep track of time if we get too long, right? All right. I'm going to go around the room. Now we're going to spend, like I said, ten minutes talking about what we already... what we're already doing to support downtown. And be brief, be concise, but if you're going to introduce yourself, if you're affiliated with a business, if you're affiliated with an organization, you can share that, or if you're just a resident, maybe just share us what neighborhood you live in, and we'll just do it like that. So I'm going to open it up to the floor and I'm going to do my best to run around crazy with the mic. Anyone like to start? Hi there. I just wanted to take a minute to introduce myself. I'm the assistant city manager, just here to listen. And I also wanted to notice Jack McCullough in the back there, the mayor. Just to... Thank you. Who else? I'm in Cummings. I'm one of your state senators. I live in Montpelier, and I was the mayor during the 92 flood and the recovery efforts. Really a lot of experience here in the room. So let's get some ideas out there. Like, what are we doing to support downtown right now to support the recovery efforts? Let's try and get those ideas out there so we're not missing anything as we start to come up with our own ideas. I just want to say thank you to Montpelier Alive for developing the hub and organizing all the volunteers in the hours after the flood. That was a huge help for Bethany Church, where I'm the minister, and that's been terrific. So the organization. My name is Joe Castellano. I live over on Sabin Street, trying to support any sort of business, which primarily shaws at this point downtown. I shop there as often as I can, and then my wife and I supported the Rome sale that they had, and we also support the businesses up on the green during the farmers market, so we really appreciate that. Yeah, there's a merchants market happening at the college green.  It's going to be up there for a little while. I'm Michael Sherman. I'm a resident up near the college. I just wanted... to make fun of the fact that we listened to Garrison Keillers and one of his sponsors were Ralph's Pretty Good Grocery. You may remember that. The logo was, if you can't find it at Ralph's, you can probably do without it. And that's basically saying, try to shop in the downtown. Do everything... try to find it first here and then if you can't find it, think about whether you need it, you know, I know we have lots of temptations around us, but that's important. Buy what you're going to buy. Try to buy it here. Hi, my name is Ann Ferguson. I live on North Franklin Street and I want to echo what Michael just said, especially relative to Front Porch Forum and how it is such a great vehicle to let us know what is opened and so that we can go and support it. I'm Eric Gilbertson. I used to work for the state and I work for the Preservation Trust of Vermont and we tried to help in planning downtown. I know we've got assessments going on in three of the churches. I'm Glenn Hutchison. I work at the drawing board and I'm one of the owners at the front. And I guess I would say, as far as what's happening now, I think that it's worth noting that the businesses are helping each other in interesting ways. The drawing board, for example, could be figured out, but we're planning to hire Annabelle, who is on staff at Capital Copy, and open something like a Capital Copy function under the drawing board name. We need more space to do that and we're trying to work with folks who own Abishans to work out where that space might be, among other possibilities. And then, for example, at the front, maybe less of a business in a way, but we are still officially a business and we're working with other arts organizations around to at least coordinate our show openings because we're still having shows, so just trying to kind of co- advertise. So come out on September 1st for an art opening. But yeah, I think that that kind of collaboration between businesses and the kind of openness is already happening and it is helpful. It feels like it isn't perhaps the cutthroat model and I think that that's helpful in this situation to kind of be a little more open. Yes, most of you may know this and I don't know all the details, but I will mention that I understand there are conversations going on between five churches that have been providing community lunch in their own churches and working on seeing if there's a space that they can collaborate on and share together, perhaps with the food pantry, but I don't know about that yet. Is that idea came up when someone had mentioned at the last meeting like a shared kitchen amongst the churches for shared food pantry and yeah, yeah. Great, yeah. Thank you for sharing that, yeah. Yeah, please help me point to. Hi, I'm Sharon White Estes and I'm the owner of Althea's Attic Boutique downtown and in the vein of collaboration what a group of us neighbors have been doing is doing pop-ups together in bigger spaces which might be charging a fee to rent, so just to give you an, for instance last Thursday we went to Bar Hill and there were four of us and we split the, you know, 1250 and we had, it was marketed by Bar Hill, we also independently marketed and we're continuing to look for events and event opportunities like that because we're ready to just get out there and do what we do best and support our neighbors in doing the same and giving everybody some variety in their shopping opportunities. Sorry to make you walk across the room, Gary. I just wanted to highlight there are some resources that the state emergency board identified that can help residents with heating, hot water and other appliance needs as well as we've identified resources to support businesses with some of their appliance and equipment needs it's not going to be sufficient for anybody but it is something to help and those details of that program will be announced on the Tuesday after Labor Day as we've had to do a lot of work to get those ready to go to be able to access by folks but they'll be retroactive back to the day of the flood so if you bought equipment you can access this. We're going to transition now. Is there anything else that we need to get on the table that we forgot to mention things that are already happening to support downtown? All right. The Montpelier Strong Fund, 1.8 million or 1.6 million, pretty amazing. Thank you all in the room here that will help raise that money. I want to speak to a few of the other things that Montpelier Alive is helping with because these are the things that are happening now. Montpelier Strong Fund advocacy for the businesses and giving them space and opportunity to speak about their experiences and developing partnerships as we go along which I think will play a really important role as we enter this rebuild phase and also assembling resources for the downtown and for the businesses. These are all things I'm working on every day and are a big part of that initial picture. Last one, okay. Peter, jog my memory. The emergency board also approved $20 million for business grants so that's out there too. That's through the Agency of Commerce BGAP as the acronym. Up to $20,000 grants available so hopefully folks can get access to that. We're going to transition now into see our time here. Now we're going to look at some actionable ideas. Forward thinking positive actionable ideas that would be that our community can get behind. Once again this isn't a list we're handing someone else. This is things that we may need to participate in or work together with existing organizations or the city with or present to the city to consider, right? So these can be big ideas but let's think of both short-term and long-term ideas so we can get a wide array of things. We're going to spend some time now talking about that. A quick term I think looking at ways to harden existing buildings washable surfaces using metal 2x4 instead of wood because you could just wash them off. In Minnesota some people actually fill basements with clean water to match the flooding and that avoids the mud and avoids pressures on the foundation. So that's Yeah, hi I'd like to address this to some of the people who were related or were Waterbury during the Irene because obviously they have some first-hand experience on what they did to recover and I think that would be helpful as far as insight to make our downtown more resilient. Waterbury team can think about that as we're going around if you want to chime in now or in a minute. Other folks? Hi, my name is Mark. I do not live here but I'm a professional consultant looking at this observing it. I'm a designer and architect and urban designer. At any rate, I do like what was mentioned about some of the merchants gathering and doing pop-ups. I would highly encourage as much of the community as can is to enliven the street, maybe on a programmed basis as long as the weather holds out and as long as you can be resilient to that to get people on the street doing business and commerce for convenience and for entertainment until things start to stabilize. So I don't know who would be the leader of that in this community if it's the Chamber of Commerce or if it's the live group or whatnot but I think feet on the street will help nurture resilience, it will help nurture a sense of ownership again, a regaining a sense of downtown and again, I would encourage something like that to happen as en masse and programmatically as you can. I think you really would enjoy it as a community. I'll come and buy some stuff too. I was working at the Vermont Historical Society when we had the big ice flow and one of the things that we had all of our collections in the basement of the pavilion. We were lucky that the legislature was in session and they made a fire gang and we covered everything out of the... The important thing that I want to get at is that many of the losses many of the businesses are in their inventory which is stored in the basement and one of the things I've been thinking about is there a way for the city to get involved in the construction of or the renovation of buildings to be a common above flood plain storage area that all the merchants can use so that they don't have to store things in their basements and suffer that loss every time there's a flood. One of the things that I was talking to Glenn about a little bit earlier, it's sort of a hodgepodge as far as landlords being able to help out whether they forgive rent or whether they're able to contribute in some way to some of the losses of some of the business owners and I'm wondering if maybe we can have some sort of community organization to reach out to all the landlords downtown and figure out how we might have a more cohesive system rather than a piecemeal and the other thing is I would encourage us to explore grants because all the businesses I've talked to have said that they are not interested in having another small business loan I mean their margins are as slim enough as it is and to encourage them to come back they need to have grants. There's always this small thing called money and this doesn't recognize that but there are many towns who have built different kinds of streetscapes that are intentionally above the level and I was struck by the person who was talking about Artisan's Hand and how they sort of watched the water all around them and that building was built after the standards were put in place I don't know what it would take to what kinds of massive infusion of money to rebuild the cityscape but if we want Montpelier in proximity to rivers it seems to me that has to be part of the long-term plane. Gary I wanted to just share a thought about understanding the long-term implications of whether buildings get hardened that meet the flood plane and what the long-term implications are if you don't do that with respect to future operational costs for insurance for changes in the floodplain ordinance there's a lot of things that may sort of whittle away at people's assets their properties if you're not able to bring it up to speed so there's a broader understanding of the implications of this. I think one of the things that I've been thinking about a lot in sort of the immediate aftermath there was a clear set of inequities that existed amongst those who were recovering some were way ahead some had massive GoFundMe campaigns some were piece-mealing as they go and needed a lot of help I'd love to maybe Katie this is something we could think about it is understanding what the universe of need is still out there in terms of helping those who are further behind try to catch up so that we can have that full vibrant downtown and not just those who have been able to recover quickly. That's a good short-term one to identify we'll see if the community you all decide not me but that is one example of a short-term. Okay so here's another short-term one that's absolutely free and that is that it's like a ghost town downtown and the more people that are downtown the more vibrant it is and when I'm downtown and I run into people that are from away I'm like oh let me talk to you about this let me show you that and you know so I think many of us can do that and it won't be any cost to just get downtown and be downtown and greet people. High impact low cost is really a good thing to look at right that's a free one free is good. Oh I didn't but Sarah in the last one said let's have a flower bomb downtown and I read shortly thereafter that Barry did a lot of that immediately and I've been looking at my planters on my deck that don't have flowers yet and wondering if as soon as they bloom I should take them downtown and that too would be free. Name is Mark Seltzer building upon what the two folks next to me said I think the short-term plans thinking through how we can make the downtown appear appealing to tourists who are coming to town those who are going to hit up the couple shops we have open is thinking through whether we can have maybe a mural in a lot of the city have been able to rebuild those who started to put drywall up might not want to do that but those that are sort of look like ghost towns maybe a community mural maybe photographs of what the flood looked like and what we're doing to rebuild painting a picture and telling a story. Hi I'm M.K. from Waterbury and in addition to being president of revitalizing Waterbury I was the art teacher at the primary school and it's going to be important to the healing process of y'all and one of the things we did was we put together an after-eye arena flood gate art project that actually opened a year after Irene and we went around group of artists in town and had kits together and you know just asked people to express yourself to reaction to the flood and then we put together this amazing art show that people would come in and just burst into tears looking at it and it was a part of the healing but I also like the idea of like bringing people back downtown like I come to Montpelier to shop I love Montpelier you know it like breaks my heart yeah I want to be here I want to come where you're at Bar Hill and I don't want you to have to pay Bar Hill to be there I want to go down this let's put flowers in the street let's have a block party you know can they hose off the streets and bring in a band and you know it's a build on that right so I'm Lucie Leglen my day job I work for the Alchemist which was famously flooded and Irene and so John and Jen came and hosted Oktoberfest right like two months after and so we had a giant street party it is important to have parties it is important to do things that really bring people together as I say give people have reasons to stroll you can still put together a scavenger hunt you know that things that people can look for whether they you know are able to do lots of things the piece that's really important to hold on to is how much you love your downtown how much you love this community how much people love being here saying it again and again in every way possible you know and I don't want to be like Debbie Donner it takes a long time it's a multi-year process right as Rebecca said right we had a nine month visioning process we sent love letters to the state employees who are missing right they were up at IBM and Essex we brought them Valentine's candy we went again and again and again so they knew how much we wanted them back and how much we missed their business and how much we missed their present and we did that with the same way supporting restaurant staff supporting people who are not here those are things that you can do and keep reminding people that we love you and we want to see you here thank you I'm going to go through some of the things that Anne said Dublin apparently has some kind of a range of where you meet a Dubliner and you sign up and they take you to a coffee shop or something like that and then you have for a few hours a conversation in which that person says well you should be sure to see this and that and so on and a friend of mine did that and he has been in contact with that person for years now so it really creates a bond but you can do it with little vouchers for the places where they can get food and have an informal conversation so I have two things the first is that Bethany Church while our building has a lot of issues with it right now our green space in front of the church is wide open and the lawn is mowed and it would be a great place once people at the farmer's market this Sunday is the last farmer's market oh okay oh okay because you know if you want to come down and use the lawn it's right there and it's downtown and it gets people into the downtown again the second thing is that I've been in conversation with Joan Harvillier Duvall who's the minister at the Unitarian Church and she and I are talking about something called a vigil of lamentation where the whole community could come together and have a time of grief of processing the grief that's going on and we're kind of feeling people out to see if that's something that you would be interested in so I'm mostly here to listen to the ideas in the room but I did want to mention just to put on your radar in terms of cleanup August 26th this Saturday is officially a green up day we will have tables at VSVCFA and at the volunteer hub to pick up bags and gloves and we really realize that it's important to have our streets looking nice especially for the upcoming tourist season so everyone doing a little more in that way and also I have been meeting with Vermont Tourism and I plan to meet next week with the arts council because these ideas that you're talking about you're not alone in thinking that and I would love to hear more of those artistic based ideas and find some partners and making some things happen we have a wonderful public arts commission with the city of Montpelier and I think this would be a great opportunity to also talk to them there is an a benike mural and a grand opening I think coming up and I forget the date but there will be things happening and it's never enough so keep the ideas coming it's a quick dumb idea but Montpelier used to celebrate mud season and what about tours of downtown but people are really curious about what happened and what people are doing tours just not bus tours walking tours of downtown peeking the doors see what condition the buildings are in merchants could put out tables do stuff like that I think at the Montpelier live is that amazing job and the merchants downtown have been so innovative I think that's to get people back Hi Sabrina Fadile so I had written in my notes empty storefronts, boards, murals and Katie will tell you I come up with public art idea projects all the time and so I'm stewing on a public art flood project already and on September 30th there's going to be a bent nails bistro fundraiser in the street of Langdon street with bands all day long and a celebration so music's coming back we're talking with the chief police and I understand that they are going to be doing washing of the sidewalks and then after that they're going to sweep the streets so they're working on trying to clean it up and make it look really sharp cleansing two things one a short term and one long term I noticed on speaking of Langdon street I noticed on Langdon street the flood marker on the bridge someone had stickered something on there I think definitely having an official marker put up as well as photos of what this flood looked like to sort of tell the story and bring tourists back into town will be helpful and I think that having dedicated storefront alone to be able to have photos of the events and what the future will be with it can be an art project or whatever else more of the long term I know we had someone from Efficiency Vermont and one of the things I saw on our agenda here was purchasing heat I was wondering if we've thought about and if it's possible to maybe do a community heat plant for all of the downtown businesses if that's a viable option so we can think through and if that would be an efficiency I was in Waterbury a couple weeks ago and they were just the prohibition pig was just reopening for the first few hours and on the side of their wall they had a just a playoff of what you were saying there was a canoe and it said July whatever data was ten you know flood flood on canoe parking here so it was kind of a play and they had pictures of where the floodwater was and then you could turn around and see what you were just saying talking about where the Irene was and the historic flood was and so anyway just wanted to share that so there was a question about what did Waterbury do after Tropical Storm Irene it's so complex I don't think I want to list all of the projects that happened but I do want to emphasize that we went through a process similar to this it was about a nine month process we went through a lot of ideas we came up with about 21 ideas I was just looking at the list of ideas right now and kind of laughing at some of them we did about half of them but I think it was more important to go through the process we did many more things that are not on that list as well but for each project they were sort of bigger ideas like hire or a downtown business promoter you know manager somebody like Katie which we didn't have at the time and then that person was able to then generate a whole bunch of ideas and do a whole bunch of things in terms of hardening structures probably the best example is the state office complex that wasn't the town that did that that was the state but that was a four year project there's some really great ideas there probably not possible for every little organization we also had an idea to do a pilot project with FEMA using hazard mitigation funds to elevate ten homes we ended up only doing one because it was at the time very bureaucratic but maybe this time around is less though but anyway I guess I just want to emphasize that it's just a really it's the more important thing is to go through the process and come up with your ideas and then have a champion for those ideas and go forward with them because whatever you do will be great I can't remember the number but someone just last week and I don't remember it was Karen Nevin but she had said like we've implemented like 20 of those 23 or whatever the number well it was like pretty remarkable but it's helpful to have those goals set right to try to work towards and it's taken you know 5 to 10 years to get through that list this is more of a question for Roberta now did you guys contact the Army Corps of Engineers to help with flood resiliency downtown so one of our projects was to look at river management and doing a study of the river and we got some grant money to do that I think it was FEMA money and we actually hired a Melonymic Broom which is happens to be in Waterbury we did not end up with Army Corps of Engineers but that doesn't mean that you can't ask them for funds they've done projects in Montpelier so they might be well suited to do a project going forward this is kind of a detailed building on some of the things that have been said but maybe the city council or the police department so they might consider when you get more activity in the street whether it's a carnival or an evening or maybe it's a program thing particularly in tourist season maybe there can be you know in as much as indoor spaces may not be available that you have limited block or so of an open liquor license where people can walk around with a beer go between you know vendors or represent the business owners there and have a little night of activity but it's in a very controlled managed way but again to get more people moving around into downtown you know entertaining themselves basically how much time we got okay I'm gonna work my way the scribe has an idea hold on a second Alice we have maps with walking tours and there was one from Montpelier and actually there are two there were two volume two short brochure books in 1976 I think about historic homes historic buildings in Montpelier so I think and I've noticed that the activities what you can do in Montpelier those maps that are around the city they've been just disappearing out of the so that would be good if we could get another walk around of Montpelier map for self-guided tours I remember Harris who I used to be on the complete streets committee with and Harris came up with this map of like interesting things around Montpelier and maybe some of you participated in that walk but it's really interesting like how many hearts are on top of the Methodist church those kind of interesting things that are all around you don't see them anyway great idea where else and I'll make my way to you next Alice well as we all know fall is coming pretty quickly and I like the idea somebody had mentioned earlier about an Oktoberfest and I'm thinking that with Montpelier alive maybe we do some sort of promotion like an Oktoberfest and maybe some sort of art installation downtown and if you send something out to like the Boston Globe Christopher mother who's the travel guy or you can get a mention in there maybe you know help draw start drawing some people downtown or drawing people back to Montpelier so my question was about platforms that allow people to do community supported I don't know what this is called community supported not fundraising but like investing in small businesses enterprises and if that would be something that I don't know if Montpelier alive would be involved in that or if there was some platform that could be promoted to businesses to use as as a way for people in Montpelier to invest in the small businesses directly community supported enterprises there are a lot of models of that around the state I was just thinking about the church example of like shared kitchen right that's kind of a way a form of a community supported enterprise so that you can provide prepared foods for the community I just like to echo what Rebecca just said we've had a lot of conversation around elevating the downtown moving it to up to the college all the things that could happen we need to understand what we might need to do obviously there are a lot of unknowns in the face of climate change about what the next thousand year storm looks like because it's going to happen within the next 10 years it's not going to be a thousand years from now so the question is we need to understand what that looks like and it's an interaction with the riverine group to understand what the sort of natural pieces to that effort are to manage our interactions with the river right it's not about having the river be less dangerous it's about recognizing that we live in we need to live in harmony with that river um and so or those rivers um so I want to I would love to see that study occur and I you know look going after that funding to make sure that we understand if we need to build up higher what that needs to look what would that need to look like what options there are there out there and frankly it starts to interact with you know a lot of the questions and concerns that came up around the rightsville reservoir dam and what would happen if this bill way over topped um so I'd love to see some some work put there so we have concrete answers to plan for rather than we should do this based on what we all surmise the solution to be and I think what's great is Montpelier has a lot of really smart people and some people that probably study this like as their profession I think Jamie Ray mentioned at the last meeting that you know there's people who were studying at Dartmouth and the Middlebury College and there are experts on this so like bring those resource teams together to discuss that and share ideas I think FEMA needs to do a hydrological study of the whole basin uh thinking about keeping the water out of Montpelier and Beavers gave me an idea a whole series of very small dams at the headwaters to just slow the water down and but that all needs to be done as a result of a hydrological study of where the water is coming from how it's getting here how it can be slowed down I think in there's so many ideas here tonight but I think that generally Americans like to look at one big solution I think this is going to be hundreds of small ones whether it's hardening buildings, slowing the water down controlling the buildings what goes in what happens to the buildings another sort of short term idea and that is Central Vermont is rich with musical talent and the idea of what Amy mentioned about her lawn being available for maybe a tent where there could be some musicians at and different places around town so that when we do have the tourists come for the foliage season there could be some different music going on around town building on what the gentleman in the iron shirt said I think we need to showcase our climate adaptation strategies rather than just doing them we should make it very apparent and we should have signage that indicates this is what we did this is why we did it and as well as the man in the checkered shirt earlier maybe we can have translucent drywall in some areas this is why we put this metal 2x4 as he talked about earlier to really show others who are going through this in the future this is why we did this and this will help because I'm mostly here to listen to but one of the things since the topic is how to support downtown one of the ways that I think of to support downtown is to have a commitment to have our downtown because you know I don't think it's realistic to say well we're going to take all the buildings and all the stores and all the jobs downtown and move them up on top of Hubbard Park or move them up on top of East State Street and I think having a commitment to doing the physical work to have the buildings that are downtown which are part of what gives Montpelier the heart and what makes Montpelier attractive to people is to have those buildings be able to continue to exist and thrive we got five minutes Alice three minutes all right let's keep it going here there's a lot of hands but let's let's get them all out there hi everyone my name is Vince Morocco my wife and I operated the hippie chickpea restaurant on Elm Street for almost five years I just want to preface this by saying I haven't been to the last few meetings the first one I've been able to attend for a while so what I'm saying has already been said I apologize I just wanted to follow this gentleman's comments you know we are committed to doing something positive for our community because we love our living here and we're raising our children here it's been pretty tough obviously the last few weeks and we still don't know what we can do for us to build a business downtown again in that space off of loans is not a viable option for us so my comment is to this group and to this gathering is kind of I've been known to have random ideas but just to share them you know I'm not a political person but I think we do need to advocate and change laws because to have FEMA not support businesses the way they're supporting residences I think is just crazy to me and that needs to change and it's hard to understand how this is the capital city of our state and we are still in this position we are in when we are sending hundreds of billions of dollars to other countries I just don't understand how that makes any sense so we are committed to bringing something back to the community we just don't know what we can do yet and it has to make sense I will continue to share ideas as I can think of them but I am open to anyone sharing some with us because we do not know what we should be doing right now we're really glad that you're here and expressing you know from the business community you know your feelings because I mean that's a big task right to kind of change policy you know maybe that's what's needed right is to kind of look at how to better support our local businesses so thanks for sharing that okay these are going to be probably a couple here we're going to have to move on yes I don't know if this is already happening but I think it would be really good to have some resource perhaps to play your live et cetera a database particularly for any downtown businesses to share what they're doing that is forward looking like yellow mustard's metal corrugated walls are brilliant and there are just a lot of other ideas around town that you can imagine could be shared that are valuable and maybe they are be yeah and I think right on that and on Vince's comment earlier I think that it was wonderful and brilliant to see the volunteer hub earlier and how helpful and open that was that if you needed help you went there and people knew you needed help I think that some of the businesses will be kind of on the knife edge of trying to figure out whether they can come back into business or not or how to do it for some months at least and I think that it might be worthwhile just having something like a public schedule or an internal schedule for Montpelier live or other organizations to reach out to businesses and say okay you know we're four months out what do you need where are you like it may not be possible to help those businesses all the time but at least not to let folks kind of go out of business because people have stopped paying attention kind of check back in on a schedule I think so we are going to have to move on but I'm going to let Peter have we'll make sure before we close this we don't have anything that we're missing here but we have to prioritize sorry I just wanted to echo what Jack said this is it lost we can't lose in all of this at the most important tool we have to fight climate change is a livable walkable community like Montpelier to shop local to buy local to walk to be able to have work and places to live in a concentrated area is our best tool and so we can't lose that as part of the process so as long as we can keep that at the forefront I think we will be okay okay so we're going to thank you all wow we got a lot of ideas out there this is going to be a challenge for us as a group to figure out how we're going to prioritize this down to two or three I think there's some themes that I'm Alice is going to help me in a minute here she finishes time but we're trying to figure out some themes that we heard here that we can then kind of report back to the larger group so they hear kind of what the priorities are coming out of this group we're not forgetting about anything that was said here all of these are being recorded and may spin off on their own but we do want to try to kind of get to some kind of consensus or a majority vote to kind of say these are the ones we're going to elevate that we think we can get behind to make happen so that's what we're going to attempt to do right now which you know when I've done these processes before there's often a lot of pieces of paper behind me and there's dots and stuff that you can stick on the wall and I don't have a state house and we can't put anything on the walls and there's no dots and so we're going to do the best we can here to kind of buy show of hands kind of thing on how we can advance some of the priorities on our list to kind of speak to the larger group and maybe move forward as we meet again September 7th so Alice is going to help kind of call out what we just heard and we're going to read them out we have about 19 minutes to do this and if let's see how we can do it I'm not going to read back all of the ideas because that's many many ideas I'm just trying to kind of group them into actionable items so here's what I and then we will kind of prioritize those so let me go through them first what I have and people tell me if I'm missing something big so I have some kind of major public art project temporary or we didn't go into that some kind of large event like an October fest or flower bombing or something downtown hydrological studies as to what the river will do and how to react to that investment in the community through either microinvestment shopping downtown helping visitors navigate downtown some kind of shared storage area for businesses other shared business resources like information sharing among businesses as to what they're doing storytelling via murals photos or other means in the downtown that's all I've got so far are there other ones that we just totally we recorded a lot of things so I want to hear let's make sure we get all the priorities kind of identified so we can start to determine which ones we're going to prioritize I wonder if it might be possible to divide the actionable ideas into short-term ideas and long-term ideas because there's some real need I feel for some of these short-term ideas and then we can put that aside and think about one or two long-term ideas okay how's the group think you think we maybe like let's look at the short-term ideas we'll identify a couple priorities there and then we'll look at the long-term and we'll identify a couple there that's a good suggestion I think is a group feel like that's a good idea okay you want to add to that in all those ideas I I was hearing and I know I said one of them but I heard a lot of people say is create program activities that get people on the street whether it's retail or food entertainment regularly not just I mean October festival is a great idea but regularly programmatically do a and I'll say this do a what's it called in London Portobello Street Market all the vendors just come outside for a day right and they and that's one of the most wonderful places in London to go you've never been there it's incredible and they just the retailers are coming outside they're not in their shops and all the people around the street on Saturdays it's incredible I mean you could do that programmatically here Bob is hearing a theme like that programmed outdoor activities for the foreseeable future as long as you can tolerate the weather we got we got that okay all right so once again we're gonna we have about we just have a little bit of time here and we're gonna what are we missing Katie or how our suggestion on how we can group this yeah one thing that I thought I heard that didn't get a notice is more funding to support the downtown businesses am I correct and also yes and that may be long term but also I need to hire three of me is one note that I'm taking so Katie can I can I just blow up for just one second so how do we turn funding into an actionable item that we can all get behind like is that like a group that's studying like what kind of funding is out there or like funding fund marked we need a lot more money but what's the action step out of that community supported enterprises okay and there's models of that that we can look at so maybe a group to look at some funding models to help support you know quite frankly everyone needs money right the property owners need money the businesses need money the city needs money I mean across the boards right so kind of looking at maybe some specific strategies within that so we have 12 minutes to get to the priorities so real quick I just wanted to add to that funding and resourcing because I think what Katie just said is a really good point so staffing to support all the action items that can't just be volunteer driven and there's a discussion on leadership you know in one of the other rooms and I have a feeling they're getting to a little bit of that capacity question on like how's the city getting the capacity or how are these organizations getting the capacity to kind of do the work that they're doing so I'm going to keep us on track here and try to have you identified any other themes here are we ready to kind of are we missing anything from what Alice called out from what a couple other ones that were added in there in terms of grouping the promotions events on going one time kind of that can be maybe one bucket of kind of marketing the downtown promoting the downtown it's back open anything that we missed before we start to go into kind of show of hands on where we want to pick our two or three and maybe we'll look at the short term first and then we'll look at the the longer term next so building hardening or flood mitigation strategies mitigation of buildings and I know one of the topics and it's okay for us to identify here was kind of like looking upstream and thinking about what we can do in the river corridors I know there's a whole group focused on that so I might we can mark that as like the group said that's important and we'll make note of that and share that with the other groups but I have a feeling like that's going to be covered right but the buildings in downtown and the hardening is specific to how we can support downtown and so that's a good one to mark anything else Alice alright so let's go to the short let's go to ones that you can see that would be identified as short term and I think unless someone has a better way of doing this we can just do the old fashioned show of hands but maybe we do like if you think this is the best idea raise your hand and if save your hand for what you think is the best idea so we're going to read all the short term and only raise your hand if you think it's the best one they're all good ideas but which one's your favorite quick question okay real quick this has to do with the fact that I really like what you said about needing the staffing because that's what is needed but we also had hundreds and hundreds of people that want to volunteer and so the hub was phenomenal for that you know specific time frame but that volunteer energy is still out there and so those are there's got to be a system in place to tap that to help you know I would volunteer for Montpelier alive who wouldn't you know so harnessing the volunteer spirit that we have in Montpelier while recognizing that we also have a capacity that needs to be adjusted so some could be filled you know staffing while others can be filled with volunteers as well so kind of looking at that whole picture of how to fill the capacity to get the work done okay so we're going to read them through and then we're going to go through once again and kind of raise our hands for the ones that we think are the favorite best ones to move forward well let's read them through just so people can get a picture again before we make them vote okay so here's what I've got under the short term some of these could be longer term as well but I've got them here for now look at funding models to help support businesses staffing to support organizations like Montpelier alive in the city to do this work a major art project a large scale event program smaller scale but regular program activities that get people on the street like the merchants market at VCFA shared business information sharing resources so businesses know what each other is doing murals photos or other storytelling within the downtown probably in the storefronts investment in the community through shopping downtown helping visitors, micro investments and harnessing the volunteer spirit okay so I might offer a suggestion to make this a little easier if we can combine Oktoberfest with the program activities and the storytelling we've got all just programming events programming because they're very similar and the group can decide later which ones are the priorities and realistic and what not and one thing I'm just going to say as we're voting let's think about what's going to have the biggest impact and what's feasible right so there's high impact and low cost free is really good high impact and high cost is also good low impact high cost is let's get rid of those right like that kind of thinking high cost low impact we don't want those we want the high impact lower cost and maybe maybe some high impact and higher cost you know a mix of those so just think about the impact and think about the feasibility alright we have nine minutes I think we can do this so we're going to give short term just a few minutes we're going to read through them and we're going to do a show of hands I'm sure once again these are all being recorded and doesn't mean we can't move forward with all these we're just sharing the bigger ideas with the larger group to kind of talk about more on the seventh look at funding models to help support businesses alright show of hands that that's your top priority okay more staffing to support organizations like Montpelier alive and the city six seven eight maybe a major art project events programming events okay one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven eleven shared information sharing resources for business I have a feeling we're going to do that one I think we're going to do that one investment through microinvestment shopping and helping visitors harnessing volunteer spirit I think we're going to do anyway harnessing volunteer spirit okay and then these are the long term longer term one let's keep on the short term for just a second because we're going to make those let's maybe have two of those and two of the longer term that we're going to focus on so were we missing something you had your hand back we created a sub-organization of everybody living in Waterbury to lead our rebuilding process and hire three staff like you can't, Haiti cannot do this you can do everything on that list if you give her the people to do it so I would you have $1.6 million like the money is there to pay the people to do the things to bring more money into the community and your volunteers need a coordinator they need someone who can say this organization needs this, we need three people it can't be one person trying to figure out where all the volunteers go alright so we're going to okay thank you know I've used Waterbury as an example over the last month a lot and so we're going to lean on you all for kind of that structure we're noting and tell us if we're wrong for the short term is looking at that organizational structure the volunteer network trying to figure out how to get how to get the support where it's needed and we can identify where that's needed later but we're going to mark that as a high priority short term to long term short and long term kind of priority kind of fits both and then the other one that was at the top organizing events promotions and marketing did we hit the mark long term you think okay Paul will get pissed at me if we're not back in like five minutes so we're going to try to do the long term here in five minutes I think we can do it okay so the long term ones were studies as to what the river will do shared storage areas for businesses more funding to support the downtown businesses via grants and building hardening and mitigation within the downtown did we miss any of the longer term yeah okay so just looking at the structure maybe both a combination of various things here elevation hardening kind of looking at the yep okay great and once again I will note that I think city infrastructure this will probably come up in some of the city infrastructure as well but it's good for us to kind of prioritize his most important here as well because it may be a high priority in a couple different groups all right let's go through the list here so hydrological studies as to what the river will do in the future okay one two five okay five six five six shared storage for businesses more grant funding for the downtown I'm going to add that it's more grant funding but it's also like this is an action so more grant funding isn't an action the action is looking into ways for more funding to get to where it needs to go to businesses right to support advocating okay so not just businesses so more funding to support downtown and just call it downtown whether it's residents businesses property owners all of it right so looking into ways and models that are existing in other places right okay and building hardening and mitigation including possibly elevation within the downtown probably 11 there is a yeah yeah yeah thanks yeah he makes a good point there is a whole discussion just on financing right now so I think it's a conversation to be the same because we're all part of the same function yeah it's true it's all we're all part of one watershed it's not just Montpelier it's upstream it's it's here it's it's the whole the whole watershed so let me let me ask that one again how many folks feel like it's important for us to consider both the you know the hardening of our buildings and and raising buildings as well as kind of like mitigating the waters coming into Montpelier like what we can do around that who feels like that is an important thing for us to okay so that sounds like that's a that's a priority we may have to you know this group may spin off more specific focus from that to downtown while another group makes makes it makes some sense to look more upstream and look at some of the more natural features while we look at the built environment so anyway we can decide that later I think we're down to the last two minutes here so what is there anything that we missed on the on the list the last two so those two would be then the hardening and the advocating for more grant funding would be the two long-term did you all hear that so let's let's go ahead Alice let's let's read our short and long-term and let's me I want to make sure the group feels good about this as we presented out okay so our short-term priorities are looking at organizational structure and possibly to add staffing to support organizations like Montpelier alive and organizing events and promotions in the downtown longer term priorities are building hardening elevation and mitigation in the downtown and finding and advocating for more grant funding for the downtown does that does that hit the mark okay everyone feels good about that all right good we did it um so trying to think if there's anything else so next steps in this are we're going to report this back to the group we're all going to head back to the chamber but really this is just the beginning we really encourage everyone in this room to come back on the seventh and bring other folks that maybe are knowledgeable or interested in participating in this conversation as it starts to grow legs because this really is once again going to be a community effort and where it's not going to be something we're just going to hand to somebody to do like where it's going to take all of us so thank you all for coming out today and there's you know there's folks who are watching this on the recording and they're also providing comments through Padlet so folks who aren't able to attend this are actually providing their comments and we're going to take that into consideration as well so thank you so much