Welcome back to Energy 808, The Cutting Edge on a given Monday morning. I'm Jay Fidel here on Think Tech and we have Tam Hunt with us. He joins us from the Big Island and he's an energy lawyer. Welcome to the show, Tam. Thank you. So what is it to be an energy lawyer these days, especially on the Big Island?  Yeah, well, I've been a lawyer now for almost 20 years and in the last 15 years I've focused entirely on renewables. So I'm a rare lawyer that gets to make a living doing things I believe in fully and that are, you know, entirely beneficial for the environment. That means for me a mix of about half working on regulatory policy at various utility dockets, mostly in California at the California Public Utilities Commission. I also help some fellow developers and EV charging developers get permits, get connected to the grid, that kind of thing. So it's a nice mix of regulatory and contractual environment along. Yeah, sounds great. So you're making any progress these days. I remind you that we have COVID going on. We have economic crash. Yeah, you've heard, yeah. It's after a while it's gonna dawn on all of us. And we have an economic crash going on. And then of course in California we have wildfires going on. All those things don't really play well with the development of renewable energy, do they? They don't for the most part. There's certainly some benefits, you know, not very long-lived benefits. So for example people staying home is leading to a near term drop in greenhouse gas emissions. This though is not going to last. Obviously this pandemic will be gone. We'll probably roar back economically and probably have even more emissions. So those who are celebrating the near term dip I think are being excited. What it does do unfortunately is really sets back initiatives like mass transit, taxis, car sharing, because these kind of effects will be for years to come in terms of diminished public ridership. And that's really worrying for me. Well, you know, just before we get into the specific initiatives that we were going to talk about on the big island, I do want to mention that I saw an article in the Times this morning about how young people, you know, the young voters especially are somehow becoming sensitized to climate change now. It's stoning on them that we have a serious problem. Maybe it's the wildfires. Maybe it's the extreme weather in the Caribbean. But the article stood for the proposition. I'm sure there's some evidence there that people are starting to realize that that is an important platform point. And I guess if you want to look at the two presidential candidates, it's really not a platform point for Donald Trump, but it is a platform point and maybe an increasingly important platform point for Joe Biden. What about that? It is, yeah. Joe Biden's got a great initiative actually looking to spend and $2 trillion over four years on climate change mitigation and associated green tech and climate tech. And this is actually really far-sighted. Planted put forth actually has some great, I wrote a summary. I can share with you listeners if you'd like to send a link to them. As for young voters, yeah, it really is actually a bankable issue, a running issue. I had to give a little plug for a show I watched recently on Netflix, which really is pretty inspiring and kind of fun. It's called The Politician. It's actually about a very young politician who runs first for a high school office and then evolves into running for state Senate in New York. And his main campaign blank is climate change. This show is meant to appeal to young voters. And it really is actually, I think, resonating in a real way that the planet is being despoiled, to say the least, by the older generation leaving, you know, a big mess for the younger generation to take care of. That's not cool. Yeah, we've received a commission, so to speak, a grant to make some movies about the relationship of climate change and COVID, how COVID affects climate change, and it does simply because of the different level of emissions and how climate change affects COVID, which is an interesting sort of, you know, biosphere kind of analysis. So we're into that. We all have to be into that. And certainly, I think when Democrats, as and when the Democrats, you know, get back in the White House, they'll be, they'll be the Green New Deal somewhere along the line, even if they're not completely impressive. Yeah. Well, let's talk about the things that you wanted to discuss. One is the Green Conservation Corps in Hawaii. Whoops, that's not in the right sequence, is it? Well, let's talk about it anyway. The Green Conservation Corps. That's fine. Hawaii County Net Zero Energy. What is that? How does it work? And why do you want to talk about it? Yeah. So we have a local initiative we're calling Think Big on the Big Island and Big Sands for Big Island Green. And what we're looking at is really combining the obvious, you know, depression level unemployment issue. We're currently facing the Big Island with the already existing urgent need to address climate change and recognizing that, look, we can and should see this as an opportunity to create local jobs, paying jobs that put in place more roofed up solar on county facilities on car ports, et cetera, put some place EV charging stations, improve energy efficiency in buildings, builds new trails, maintains trails, builds new recreation facilities, maintains existing rec facilities all across the board, just like the Civilian Conservation Corps that was enacted by Roosevelt back in the 30s that was actually quite successful in creating, you know, good jobs for a lot of young men. The new version of course in our century is men and women, but doing not only trail maintenance, et cetera, but really focusing on climate mitigation. And our view is this could in fact be a real serious job creator on the Big Island and statewide and achieve some really great improvements in quality of life. So right now we're pushing this at the county level and trying to coordinate with state level groups. And we have early support from the county council and we of course are going to have to wait for funding. This will be an expensive measure and we're going to have to wait for funding to come from probably the federal government hopefully before the election, but I'm pretty sure after the election that will happen if Biden comes in. And so we're really trying to lay the groundwork for this idea to get people, you know, aware and excited about the potential here to create new jobs that really can do great things. That's a wonderful idea actually. And I am immediately reminded of FDR's Civilian Conservation Corps, that one it was, the triple C back in the middle and it was a very important initiative to deal with the lingering depression, which was still going on in that period of time. And certainly we, you know, in Hawaii, we have to remake our economy, reimagine it and we have to offer jobs and we have to move on from jobs that are no longer available. We can't, we can't return to the old, this would be a new idea, a new normal. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, people I think are still not quite internalizing the degree of job destruction we've seen in Hawaii and are going to continue to see. It's been mastered, of course, by pretty generous federal unemployment benefits, but those ended a month ago. I think people are going to start really feeling a pain quite soon. And we really need to get ahead of the curve here and get people working, doing productive things. And this is really a way to transform our local economies in a way that I think very few people can argue with. Well, I totally agree. Of course, the problem as you identified it is where do you get the money to pay the people to do the work? Right now the government is in dire straits in Hawaii. We're way below the curve. And federal government under Trump is really not offering any money to the states for this kind of thing. In fact, I think that's kind of stuck in general right now. And so the big question will be raising money. Do you think there's any money available for the private sector? Well, I think this has to be a mix of public and private sector funding. You know, I don't know the landscape in terms of philanthropy that well in Hawaii, but I do know there are some great groups funded in large part by some fairly wealthy individuals who certainly could and I think should step up and help to fund this kind of initiative. I think we can get a match of federal funding with local philanthropy. We can get a lot of jobs created in the near term and this could be rolled out. There's, you know, there's already models in the islands for this kind of program. It's really a matter of scaling it up and getting people on the ground to manage it, get the train, get it rolled out. So I think if we get the framework in place in the next month or two, once funding becomes available from the feds and local, hopefully philanthropic matching funding, it could be rolled out fairly quickly. Well, totally consistent with the whole thing about connecting with the land. The whole Hawaiian culture thing is consistent with this. So I really hope you can do it. Are you are you pushing this? Are you active in making it happen? Yeah, we have some early support from the County Council here in Hawaii and and we're hoping to get a resolution before the full council before, you know, I think in September is the plan and I'm optimistic that a lot of vote yes, that then expresses the County Council support for the measure for the program itself. When funding becomes available, hopefully the next few months then it could be set up fairly quickly. And so it's too soon to say it will actually happen and what timeframe but I'm optimistic it will happen in some form. You know, I'm hoping to become a measure for a model for a statewide funding in the same way. I was just going to say that it's a model creates a model as the big island often does on things like this. And so if it works, if it's doable on Hawaii Island, well, maybe the other islands will take note. People, people would want to it. I think everywhere in the state and of course, then it becomes a model for the mainland too. Might even be a model for the federal government, you know, shades of FDR. Even Trump can see some benefit here. Let's not get carried away actually. I wish it was so, but that's not likely. Okay. Let's talk about the think big initiative for the big island that big with a capital B, capital I, capital G. What is that? How does it, how does it different from the conservation core? Yeah. So think big is an overarching initiative looking at five different areas. So green energy, solid waste, education, parks and trails and local ag being a really important fit one. And so what I just mentioned of course is kind of an it goes to a lot of those different factors in terms of the green conservation core. A second major initiative we're pushing is a county council net zero by 2030 initiative. And it would be a bill that the county council would adopt that would commit itself to achieving a hundred percent renewals by 2030 for its own use. And that's a key distinction. I'm not saying that the county should necessarily adopt a 2030 goal for the whole county to become fully renewable. That's doable. But I think, you know, let's take this step by step. So if the county itself steps up and says, look, we can do this in the next 10 years. And we should is a lot of reasons to do it. We currently have a statewide 2045 mandate for the state to become fully renewable, but is of course an increasing amount of science showing that that's not fast enough. Now, it still sounds really fast. A lot of people 25 years to transform them fully renewable, but frankly, given the magnitude of the issues we're facing in terms of unemployment, climate change, et cetera. We really need to think a bit bigger. Hence the name. Think big. And so the county is looking to adopt this measure for its own needs and thereby inspire the private sector to do the same.  I'm not sure how to put this, but government does lead people. If I if I give you a president, for example, even if he's not a good president, people listen to him anyway. If I give you a governor or a mayor, he's the governor or the mayor or she and people listen to him anyway. And so if the county, the Big Island County, it's a program like us, it's clear to me that people will see this as a leadership act and it will have an effect beyond government that this will affect the whole county anyway. And maybe other people outside the county or watching the county. So my suspect just as a as an elected leader has a leadership effect like it or not the county, if it does this, it will it will be a statement.  Don't you think so? It will. That's that's our hope. I do for sure. Yeah. And the key thing we're discussing and highlighting in our advocacy is we don't want just a statement and a vague goal. This bill we're promoting will if pass actually have a requirement that the county R&D Research and Development create a report, an action plan showing how the goal could be met by 2030 milestones along the way and metrics. So it's not a simply, hey, sure, let's do this at some point in the future.  Yeah, that will be a goal show, you know, from the aspirational goals we've seen so far, you know, let's do 100% by 2045 or 2040 like that without any detail. You have to have a detailed plan. You have to know which foot is coming. Exactly. So yeah, making by 2030. That's a that's a 10 to 10 your hand. That's not tomorrow, but it's not so far in the future that you can simply see as being a generational challenge. It's a here now challenge or the decade to achieve it. So, you know, not to be too, you know, self-aggrandizing, but it's kind of like a local moonshot for the county. You know, 10 years is long enough to really do something significant, but not, you know, it's not so near term, but it's crazy. It's actually quite doable. So what are the, what are the steps forward? In other words, what are the, what are the benchmarks along the way? What happens first and how long does that take? What happens second? How long does that take? Well, in terms of logistics, we have a draft bill. We have a champion and a counselor who is going to introduce it fairly soon. I won't name the person just yet. Once the bill is introduced, hopefully the council as a whole passes it before too long. Then it will go to R&D to create the action plan. Our draft we have until the end of 2021 to produce an action plan that will have milestones for 2025, 2028 and 2030 to achieve these goals.  We'll leave it to R&D and the community-based process to figure out those actual details. And draft legislation, as I have done for years now, the key is always to be specific, but not too specific. Because if you're too specific, you can easily face problems in terms of you know, pushback or just not knowing enough. Because frankly, you know, big with this, we're not on the ground in R&D's shoes. We are not maintenance people or county facilities. We don't know the details, but we do know enough to be able to put out an ambitious but achievable goal like this and then let the people are on the ground, create the details. Who are those people? Is there a designation in the bill about who would deploy and who would implement it? Well, in terms of the planning process, research and development is currently run by Dan Lay and Riley Saito. And we've been discussing discussions with them for a few months now about these, you know, various measures we're promoting as a thing group. In terms of the actual on the ground implementation of the action plan, it will focus primarily on rooftop solar, on-site battery storage, improve energy efficiency through better lighting technologies, better AC, whether it's AC and buildings and the key piece, probably the hardest piece is fleet turnover to purchase EVs, primarily electric vehicles across the board, electric vehicles are by far the most efficient kind of technology out there and they're becoming increasingly affordable, increasing in long range. If you can charge your EV fleet with on-site solar power is quite cheap. If you charge your EV fleet with grid power is quite expensive. So a virtuous cycle here.  So the whole plan would cost money to do it, but it will save money long term through fuel savings. Well, when you talk about EVs or you're including hydrogen, Riley Sato, Sato has been very helpful in terms of developing hydrogen buses in the Big Island in a way that would be a model for other islands. He's a real hero in that regard. But query, when you talk about electric vehicles, are you talking about hydrogen as well? I'm more of an EV fan than a hydrogen fan. There's a big difference in efficiency and has been a big debate in the last few years about the efficiency differences, technology comparisons. I personally prefer to see fully E-fleets. I accept there are some use cases where hydrogen may make sense, but the efficient differential is about three times more efficiency for EVs as a big hurdle overcome. Okay. Well, the other thing is the money as indicated in our discussion around the conservation core. What about the money for this? How much is this cost? Is it, you know, is it going to be hard to fund it? How is it going to be funded? Yeah, that's a great question. And the action plan will certainly include analysis of what it will cost. So I don't want to give it for this point. I recognize fully there will be some pretty hefty capital costs to go big on solar, recharging EV fleets. But I know enough for my own analysis over the years and reading, you know, dozens of other related reports that the fuel savings from his measures pay for the capital costs for too long. And a key source of savings I already mentioned in Hawaii, if you can basically, you know, decouple from the electric grid and very high electric costs by going solar on facilities, you then can transit those cost savings to the whole energy infrastructure including not only on-site electricity use, but also the EV fleet use.  So no matter of, you know, getting that from capital costs to that's not an easy lift. But there are many sources of funding for the kind of thing. State is broke right now. We won't go there. But certainly some federal funding will be available kind of thing. There is certainly various kinds of private funding, hopefully available in some manner. And we're also hopeful that there will be a community of block grant funding for this kind of thing too. I heard you talk about getting off the grid in this in the details of this plan. And I don't know if you notice but there's a there's a bestseller coming out on Amazon called something just like that getting off the grid. And it could be this is part of COVID. It could be this is a part of getting away from the madding crowd that people are interested these days and getting off the grid perhaps more than they were. And of course the Big Island is perfect place for that just in terms of the space of it and the fact that it costs a lot of money to connect to the grid. So how about spending that on developing your own infrastructure you know in a micro grid. But where is that? Where does that play in the Big Island initiative you're talking about? Yeah. Well, micro grids is kind of the catch all term here and micro grids can be either their own disconnected grid or they can be connected to the larger grid. In this case we want the best of all worlds you'd want to have basically the ability to operate as a local micro grid to still have the larger grid to fall back on and to interact with if you have excess power you can't store on site. You want to be able to send it to the grid through that metering or related policies but you also want to use as much of your own power generated locally as you can. So in this case when I talk about installing large amounts of roofed up solar you want to see basically all county buildings become effectively micro grids with solar power and on-site battery storage and locally be chargers and charges many fleet vehicles as you can from that on-site solar micro grid you know policy. I work on micro grid policy for a nonprofit client in California called the Green Power Institute and there's a lot of incentive now in California especially to develop islandable micro grids because of all the wildfires and the power shutoffs we don't have quite the same situation in Hawaii by any means but there are still big financial incentives to become your own grid effectively in Hawaii a lot of people are doing that of course for years now we've seen a huge growth in roofed up solar we have the high solar penetration of the nation for obvious reasons we have very expensive power and so in the same way that going solar at your home or business makes sense in Hawaii you know a lot of sense financially it makes a lot of sense for local governments are the same. How does this affect the relation of the I want to say rate payer user consumer and the utility help go on the big island how would that be changed if at all? Yeah well in this case you know when I talked about the best of all worlds having both microgrid being connected to the grid still you are not affecting the larger grid except by diminishing the amount of power you draw from the grid and so it does not negatively impact other rate pairs because because you're just going to be still paying you know some T and D part of your power bill you simply not paying the same generation bill and so Hawaii is partially decoupled in terms of its revenue for utility please being decoupled from power sales California is fully decoupled so they actually don't make money on power sales they make money on infrastructure Hawaii is kind of a blend of the two so we should go toward full decoupling here in Hawaii to remove that incentive to sell power as revenue stream it should be instead fully infrastructure-based I'm familiar with any jurisdiction which is using performance-based rate making or maybe that hasn't really happened anywhere but here you know Hawaii is leading the charge in that you know I've not been involved in that docket here in Hawaii but I'm looking forward to being finished and rolled out it could be a real model for the rest of the country you know well you know one thing that strikes me is that some of the elements of of these plans I'm sure you've thought about this they're the conservation plan and also the B.I.G. initiative the big island and you know the hundred percent renewables by 2030 doesn't require PUC approval No the two things I've talked about today will not require PUC approval the county can of course you know do what it wants in terms of going on solar and buying EVs and you know implementing a county imposed mandate to go hundred percent is purely a county measure no PUC required for that the GCC the green conservation core is a jobs program so no PUC approval required for that Yeah good well that makes it easier I suppose from and you know you're you're a lawyer that deals with regulators that's really an important consideration well and why the big island though I mean I I personally love the big island and I I understand why anybody would rather be there than any other place in the state but query why the big island for you and for this initiative why I live here that's a short answer when I start local and you know create good programs that work locally and then hopefully see them grow and you know other places too is it is it better suited than the other islands well in terms of local production for sure yeah we're much bigger and in terms of you know meeting the state man they were 100% renewables by 2045 we are on our way with the mix of we're gonna have a lot of large scale solar installed next few years we have some wind already we have a lot of rooftop solar so we definitely have this base to go fully renewable here and you know a while who does too for most of its needs be much more dense is more tricky and of course being a much smaller island no great fact I'm sure you notice the big on is twice as big as all other islands combined so it's a lot bigger a lot more space but a lot of that is you know taken up with conservation area which is on used lava land which could be used for solar make kind of thing so we definitely are we are the low-hanging fruit for going 100% renewable in the islands for sure are the people you think you know the way they see the the land the environment renewables are they are they likely to be amenable to the elements of these plants well solar so far has received almost no pushback as I'm sure you've heard in the power on a Wahoo and other islands has been you know there is wind here South Point and of course Kohala but it's been no new large wind facilities proposed on the island for a long time so it's all been solar for new projects and to date I've seen or heard nothing about you know major concerns or even minor concerns about solar it's just a very you know low impact technology I think we go to the point where exporting solar power from the big out that will be an issue but for now there's no plan to export it simply about being used you know on our island and the last thing I'd like to discuss with you Tam is the whole thing about lawyers you know the project you describe really really does need lawyers like like you it does need people who can draft legislation that would work who have some experience who can appreciate you know the vagaries of regulation and of course contracts in all directions to make to make the developments work and you and I could sit down and I'm sure you've done this and and think of all the contracts you would write in order to implement all the the plans involved in this initiative it's a matter of it's a matter of writing legal papers and and there you are I don't know if there's another lawyer in all of the big island who can say that he's a a green energy lawyer maybe there maybe there are I'd like to know that but don't you think that we need more lawyers of clean energy in Hawaii who dedicate their practice to it who dedicate their lives to it I mean you think so definitely yeah and like I said earlier you know I feel pretty lucky to have been able to carve my niche and definitely we need more people who do what I do know any candidates well I'm well I want to talk about that for a minute so are you going to be able to you know practicing on the mainland and do this here because I mean practicing on the mainland is demanding I mean I know a lawyer who actually lives here and practices in Philadelphia believe it or not no problem partner in a big firm in Philadelphia full-time practice but she lives here and so the same I suppose it's really not an obstacle for you to practice in California and live here I mean we do have the internet and that makes it easy we do yeah and iron you know the pandemic is actually become easier to work remotely you know unsurprisingly only I worked remotely for the most part for years before the pandemic to even in Santa Barbara I worked mostly remotely my my work at the California PUC is sent in San Francisco but most of those meetings are webcasts anyway and there's certainly protons about being you know in person versus Zoom you can get a lot more done when you're there in person but you know I've made it work for many years now so to be clear my my clients are all based in California currently my work in Hawaii is purely voluntary it's all volunteer work I'm on the board of the statewide EV Association the new Hawaii EV Association I created this new Think Big initiative with various like minded people I do some other volunteer activities so to me it's really a matter of being able to turn my skill set into NASA for my community in a way that is you know the best thing I could with my limited you know volunteer time and so I will be taking the bar here in Hawaii for too long and become a bar certified in Hawaii but currently I'm purely doing volunteer work and I'm you know practicing my day job in California that may change for too long but certainly I'd like to see more folks who do work entirely on renewables or at least make it to be part part of their practice here in Hawaii Don't you think there's a likelihood at least in in your practice your future whether it be as a volunteer or as a practicing lawyer for a law firm that does what you are doing or want to do a law firm that would advance green energy all over town and write power production agreements and advocate in various places for green energy and like not to take wooden nickels to move the needle ahead all the time a law firm that would be an environmental activist law firm isn't there room for that could that happen would you be part of that there is yeah and I certainly would like to be more involved with like kind of people in Hawaii you know there are some great groups doing advocacy you know Blue Planet Lupono Sierra Club doing great work but they don't have the funding for full-time lawyers you know it's just it's an issue even non-profit lawyers aren't cheap and so you know Hawaii is ahead of the curve in many ways but it's also behind the curve in other ways and having a thriving vibrant nonprofit sector as a way when I compare to my work in California Hawaii could use a lot of improvement yeah who knows maybe that's part of the conservation core you know one element of it find out how are lawyers sure lawyers practicing conservation Tam Hunt a lawyer who is doing very good work on the big island and has great initiatives and advancing great ideas for clean energy there thank thank you so much Tam


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What's up lane Nice one there dany to 150 Tim rose on the auto and a chopper Nice pack for you Little bits ago little bits ago Mandalorian base card jar jar pinks uh fennec shan and bb8 omega bad batch inserts Nice looking cart And we've got a green uh quinjin yin to 99 You go nice green to 99 And one skywalker nice anakin skywalker there And last pack for you here dany. Good luck, man. There's a bill Sacher era refractor And a carcin taeba that'll do it there. Thanks again dany see Good luck here. Let's get it going kelvin l after them up next number five Good luck kelvin l the box closest to me is number five You go number five. Good luck kelvin Let's do it Yeah, some great options right now for star wars Uh great great options between tops chrome sapphire and tops finis You've got a couple of great options on the website right now Some beautiful stuff. Here we go kelvin If you're into like older star wars, I would definitely check out sapphire If you're into more than newer star wars finest is right up your alley They kind of got something for both people uh both styles right now There's a storm trooper mayfeld Uh captain phasma nice looking refractor there looks beautiful in the refractor Let's keep this going kelvin axe wolves general hux Uh, we've got a horizontal card. It's going to be chancellor lena. So nice looking one there And casey and andor Yeah, there's some interesting ones up there step and there is There's some interesting ones up there Uh casey and andor on the refractor there We got a blue darth vader nice There you go to 150 Very nice kelvin l congrats 25 of 150 And another varmic autograph this time it's going to be the aqua to 199 paul warren is varmic aqua autograph There you go kelvin Great box here great pack that was wow Hey randy. What's up, man? Good evening. Good evening, heli moto mandalorian insert there running quesadir Good to be back on sports been on uh Been at the national or been on gaming recently. So back over to sports today. Although star wars doesn't really feel like sports This feels more like gaming still jar jar binks. There's a lamasu bad batch and uh k2so Still feels a bit more like gaming at least now. Hey, what's up, bro? Echo crosshair try and boss on the refractor you go kelvin and a palpinside nice box there, man. Very solid Matthew m number six. Good luck. Matthew. Here we go That's what you like to hear Yeah Yeah So that way I don't have to go through a full shot and reset all the cameras and stuff. I hear you. Good luck. Matthew m number six Yeah, that would be great Admiral ackbar There's a k2so again another one on the refractor Good luck. Matthew m number six Darth Vader base. I see green uh vice admiral rampart first bad batch insert And green the armor There you go 1099 Matthew m not too bad. Matthew good start Keep looking for your auto. There's a wato sort of bliss Uh, there's a nice one there on the uh, silky tonal Mandalorian insert even peel See more green the armor refractor of grand inquisitor And how about a lira or so number 299 on the green wave 40 of 99 Nice one there There you go. Very nice. Matthew m And valent Good pack for you again. Really nice mini box here Yeah, nice variety of gaming breaks this weekend for sure spending some time on those Make sure it's a nice-looking schedule Uh, ram jammer and that's the refractor there and Zebra release Last one. Let's close this out for you, Matthew. Very nice. How about a red? Red 505 c3po Boom Big hits There you go.  Congrats Awesome card Uh insert and attack wow That's sick man.  Alrighty drew m first box up the front box. Let's do it. Good luck to you That's sick Here we go drew m number seven. See what we got for you, man Great starts I know randy. I know Yep, yep, thank you. Here we go. Good luck drew. It's grief to get it going echo crosshair Bird Yeah fun fun break for the price randy you know It's uh It's not as good as you could do in terms of like vintage to get at it for 65 bucks. That's pretty good for pokemon That stuff can get pricey fast.  I don't blame you those would be the ones calling my name as well Uh general grievous on the refractor there Got a green wato green there you go drew And nice that's going to be a rose tico. That's going to be galaxy's finest heroes die cuts I believe these are about one per case or so pretty tough. It's Very nice drew m poor carish Good stuff drew armor moth gideon finest and kylo ren wato Uh, here's cindula bad batch insert nice looking card again and an omega And last one for you drew and Darth Vader base Uh, there's a nice urza urza bridger on the refractor and ray Awesome ending there already drew that does it for you seven spot complete Good luck here scott y number eight See we got scott Let's find a super That red was really nice though Let's find the super c3po that'd be a crazy looking uh Color match Guess you could say color match Good luck scott eight spot here mandalorian refractor Nice card and a blue bow mountain to 150 total 360 solid color coming up good luck uh liox yasi And oh wow it's gonna be gold to 50 orn frita Or taa That's 47 of 50 on the gold auto. There you go scott. Why? It's up 50 very nice uh filamar Playing the character there very nice Koska reeves You go scott zero Count doku refractor Hunter frog lady there dark ray Koska reeves nice mandalorian insert and a grogu There you go And just a couple more for you here. Good luck scott The man indeed steppin. How about another gold in the same box? Wow Uh, there's a nala and gold wrecker to 50 Geez scott two golds awesome one mini box That's nice That's really solid Great mini box for you last pack here Uh, beer is so fey on the refractor and a chopper Okay, that'll do it there. Thanks again scott. Why? And here we go tony n starting it out here number nine fun fox is yours tony n Fox facing me here number one in the frost All right, here we go. Good luck. Thanks again tony n box closest to me number nine Start out that back row see what we got for you tony Good luck tony refractor obi-wan kenobi Nice one there on the refractor and how about a red another red crosshair Five of five Wow, what a case so far congrats tony n on the red Very nice. We'll mag that up for you great star tony And synth trooper these These have been loaded Absolutely loaded tonight nice looking yoda inserts Beautiful yoda. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying lane two reds. We got to find a super now We had a nice, uh, red c3po bread so five Supreme leader snoke we go tony And ceo bibble nice one there. It's gonna be uh, oliver four dabbies playing a character a nice one. You go tony Bob who freaked there he is Forest was uh, imitating Bob who freaked the other day. It was it's quite funny if you did get to watch I will not be repeating it. But it was funny frog lady There you go r2d2 for me lane What about you shan? What's your favorite star wars character? Do you have one? Crosshair insert there for you tony. We've got a green, uh, aki of best tune to 99 mall Kind of tough, right? Uh base malvis on the refractor And a gork or sh all righty tony end. Thanks again, man. Very nice mini box tony Simon age. Good luck. Number 10 Here we go. Simon What about you lane? Do you have one? Anyone in shed have a have like a funny one that's not, you know, one of the top like five to ten star wars characters I'm pretty firm at r2d2. He's always been the guy Yeah, that would be fire tyler That would be fire. Yep, man for sure Here we go. Simon age. Good luck. Number 10 That would be fire Wow red. Oh my goodness. Holy cow How about red insert this time of lorna d to a five Holy cow Oh, man. Congrats. Simon age There you go Another red It's wild Yeah, we'll make that. Yep Very very nice The nile refractor and blue zory bliss to 150 Geez, what a start here Great mini box. Simon age Yoda for you. That's a good choice. Yoda is Yeah, Yoda's that guy for sure Uh, we got miss canada Oh beautiful sketch that time awesome one there Congrats Geez Simon age crushing it man a red and a sketch Uh, if you know the character feel free to let me know Very very nice.  You already got a red and a sketch Holy cow. Congrats Simon age Very nice. There's a ren Unreal unreal. Hey, what's up Chris J? Unreal Armorer nice armorer there not numbered No problem Simon. You're on a roll, man. I think it is val. You might be right, rog Nothing else is really coming to mind Uh, cad bane bad batch insert Obi-Wan Kenobi base And good luck here Simon last pack It's going to be a kiwira. It's refractor That's sick man and a jinn or so crushed it Simon age Absolutely crushed it And here we go Danny see good luck number 11 Box closest to me number 11 Good luck Danny see uh, you actually have 11 and 12 Danny see so I'll rip you the next two Good luck. This is yours 11 and 12. Good luck Danny see Both of these are yours Really great break so far guys Here we go. Here we go Good luck Danny see spots 11 and 12 the next two mini boxes Frog lady uh, I'm gonna her so it's a 150 nice blue Let's start there see three p.o uh, martian roe on the refractor Any uh, shisha uh, you can check out our website right here is a link to the break schedule That'll be everything we're working on right now We just got our breaks going tonight So you can refer to the break schedule and then personal boxes can be ordered with the second link in the chat You can check that out right here Uh, feel free to give that a look There's a couple of different links for you to check out remember guys The only break with spots left tonight is definitive and that's down to five left now So if you do want to get in on the action tonight Very little bit to go five to go on that definitive random teams Here we go. Let's continue on Good luck. Thanks again Danny see Mayfeld on the refractor And purple first order stormtrooper to 299 nice auto There you go Tom edin Tom edin sharpshooter himself to 299 there Nice one Danny. We've got a mandalorian on the mandalorian inserts The peel is malvas more nice color bad batch record insert there And it's gonna be the mandalorian gold to 50 Wow, Danny. Congrats Awesome case There you go, man on solo Good stuff Danny see Absolutely smashing it man uh, oddie And a captain fonsman Good stuff. Good stuff. Good stuff, man. This has been a crazy break. Danny see you do have the next one as well three reds and About half of our golds have been of nice characters notable names So that's awesome. Let's find a huge auto here by the end of it Uh, and yeah, that would really complete it once again. Danny see. Good luck here number 12 Just gonna break Han solo refractor This one there beautiful looking card Chewbacca. That's the first Chewbacca base Of the case here There he is finally armor watu uh, biryaga Great looking refractor there on the inserts and a fin Yeah, there's numbered vaders chris. I hit a blue, but I haven't hit anything lower than a blue so far chris But yep, there's numbered vaders correct R2d2 refractors sick hit there. There you go Danny nice The book of boba fet nice looking at inserts and an admiral akbar refractor autograph not numbered admiral akbar There you go. Danny see Darth Vader. So yeah, you can get this one right here in color chris All the way down to the super factor one of one Uh, there's a cool mandalorian inserts Yeah, these are these are really cool chris uh fennec shane on the refractor bad batch I mean star wars topskits really expensive too. This isn't like crazy crazy expensive yet for the price that you can get in Right now you can hit some really cool cards Uh po dammer in there refractor imperial stormtrooper nice refractor And that'll do it there. Danny see All right, we're gonna move on to box number 13. That's for michael j Box closest to me here. All right. Here we go. Good luck. Thanks again michael j box 13 We're not drawing it Dang it We're not getting a good connection from like Like really bad like no We have a connection on yours. I see We've got a blue here spin refractor Blue to 150 of cob van. It's blue We'll go to 150 obi-wan Open that Michael Yeah R2g2 may fell. Uh, there's a geode. Yeah, it's been The wi-fi over the last like two to three weeks. It's really been Headache after headache hasn't been good by any means. No, let's keep it going. Michael. Good luck, man Right Uh, there's a several release refractor and velan has purple to 2.99 autograph There you go. Michael j Nice purple No, just your shocked face No, that's on the list though, I know that another cob. That's the Mandalorian sir sith trooper Oh man chris. Oh man, call them out Admiral tarkin refractor And we got the book of boba fett boba fett Yoda And good luck Michael j Let's close this out for you jar jar binks Refractor valan has Bob and frick. Alrighty. That doesn't there Michael j. Thanks again. Matthew m. You are gonna be next up here. You have 14 and 15 Uh, this is 14 Let's get it going for you matthew m And good luck. Thanks for joining Appreciate it Yeah, I don't I don't blame you lane. I mean this case as well was awesome. A lot of the boxes have been really good Um, yeah, we had a box that had two reds. We had three reds total we had uh multiple golds Base pack they were pound oku Yeah, I definitely respect the product lane star wars is just like not like fully of my alley still Orla's urini nice one there In terms of like something I would want to open and collect but um Yeah, that's that's a good question Ooh more nice color. How about an orange? Halpatine on the refractor Good luck your matthew Orange the clients to 25 There you go nice color again Very nice matthew m Congrats even peel refractor auto There you go.  Good luck matthew m box 14 cane mace window refractor of tech And a saven wren Alrighty you also have box number 15 matthew m. So that's gonna be the first box here of this one Same person First one one in the front. Good luck here matthew m Save the environment one bag at a time I mean you could Yeah Yeah, however you want to do it it's fine something like that. Yep Yep, that's that's about what I've been seeing as well statement wren refractor. There's a green sorry bliss. That's green 1099 It would help if I just checked the website.  Good luck matthew m as we continue here number 15 Watto There's a cut refractor cut lawn queen What a concept mandalorian there nice axe wolves mandalorian inserts up matthew Uh intrusion on the refractor Rex Hey, thanks paul for joining. How's it going man? Appreciate that paul echo uh drengear nice drengear And refractor autograph adigalia Refractor auto there.  That's card 109 Card 109 so that's gonna be the extended base That's awesome cards over 100. I believe Holy cow. Oh, man. So cool there Admiral akbar blue to 150 Geez matthew Geez and that'll do it box 15 And number 16 for drew and good luck drew That was sick kj That's what it's all about right there. Here we go last one I had to hit the the chubaca Here we go drew Box 16 I had to Cade bane mace window. There's a bv8 base I had to uh lula run the refractor and how about a blue blue luck sponsoring A nice one there nice blue auto don't 150 drew and anakin skywalker Uh, so katano nice refractor Fennec shan book a book above a pet on the ssp insert or insert. I should say carcin table I'm just a couple to go here axe wolves The client medallorean inserts chubaca base There he is again And good luck drew on the rest of it here. There's a bolo Finn let's close this out for you drew medallorean base and harrison doula refractor Grand morphe targeting. Thanks again so much drew. I appreciate it and everyone there in the break That was number eight tops finest star wars random, uh mini box style We'll have all those well protected up and right out to you guys. Thanks again for joining baseball coming up next tonight


Well, this is the launch of the second year of the Be More Than a Bystander program that the Ministry of Children and Families, the federal government, and Canna, but more more than EVA, the Ending Violence Association of British Columbia, but more importantly, the BC Lions are partnered. It's a wonderful program. It gets into the high schools all across the province. We have BC Lions players, these big tough guys that come into the classrooms. They talk to these, lots of these teenagers and talk to them about a subject that's really important, and that's domestic violence. The goal was to educate young people not only about the problem of violence against women and how widespread it is, because I think a lot of people don't quite grasp but also to provide these young people with a way to speak up and to be more than a bystander. And that's something that's tough in society, with peer pressure and just social situations. And basically it had us, big macho guys going into schools and kind of putting some of our vulnerabilities out there to let these people know that they're not the only ones who are experiencing these problems and we feel the same way they do. It's to give them some options about how to break this silence and things that maybe they're more comfortable doing. We think that this is the start of something that will be quite big, where not only are we and the BC Lions coming forward and trying to pass the message on to the masses to be more than a bystander, to speak up and not stay silent about violence against women, but more and more corporations will get on board to support causes like this.


Adventures in time and space, told in future tense. Dimension! The mind of man is still an unprobed field. Within it lie many mysteries still unsolved. But there are men today, psychologists now experimenting with telepathy, hypnosis, thought-transference, who believe that in the future we may discover the existence of a force of the mind more powerful than any force the world has ever known. We go ahead now in time some ten years, and in space to the campus of a small eastern college, the hour is late. And in one of the dark college buildings, two men stand in front of a door that bears the name Professor Arthur Barnhouse, psychology. Thank you, manager. Here are the keys to the professor's desk and files. I guess you inherit everything now. You might as well dictate a full report while everything's still fresh in your mind. I'll wait and see you home. Oh, no, no, that isn't necessary. I'll be all right. You sure? After what's happened tonight, we wouldn't want you to have an accident, too. Major, after what happened tonight, the whole world is right for an accident. I'm afraid you're right, Clinton. Well, good night. Good night. Pull yourself together, Buster. Easy does it. August 21st, 1960. Restricted report from George Clinton to the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, the FBI, National Security Board, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Subject to so-called Barnhouse effect, and Professor Arthur Barnhouse who discovered it. I first met the professor two years ago in the fall of 1958. He was a professor of psychology here at Wilton College, and I was here on an instructor's fellowship in the psych department. They assigned me to be Barnhouse's assistant, and he needed one. He hardly ever remembered to go to a class, and he didn't seem to do anything else either. For three months, I watched him sitting at the desk here in his study. He'd either stare at nothing for hours or fall asleep, nodding over his mess of papers. I couldn't understand it, and it was none of my business.  What? What? I said it's 2.15, Professor. Don't you want to go to your 2 o'clock class?  I beg your pardon. Sorry, Clinton, forgive me. I don't know what gets into me. Forget the class. The kids would rather be outdoors anyway. Professor, in that case, I'm sorry I woke you up. It's all right. I just can't seem to get my sleeping done at night. Clinton, what do you know about the international situation? Well, I'm no political scientist, if that's what you mean. I read the papers when I have time. That's the way I've always been. Lately, I've had a look into it. I stay up nights looking into it. Professor, I don't want you to take this personally or anything, but... I wonder if you'd mind if I asked to be transferred. You mean you'd rather work with somebody else in the department? Oh, no, sir. No, sir, it's not that. I think maybe there's a chance for a psychologist to work on that government project. Government project? Oh, yes, that army thing. Yes, sir. They're trying to develop robot pilots for the new fighter rockets so they'll be expendable. Oh, yes, yes. Something else designed to replace men. Yes, sir, and you know it's a funny thing. The robots work just like human brains. They get overworked or overloaded or something, and they have nervous breakdowns. Now, if I could only find out what drives those electronic brains crazy, why, I'd feel that I was... Clinton, if you want to study a brain that's going crazy, never mind the robots. You can go to work on me. What are you talking about, sir? I don't know. I'm either crazy as a bed-bug or a... Clinton, I wish you'd help me find out. Are you serious, Professor? I never was more serious in my life. I'm afraid I'm going out of my mind. Why? What makes you think so? This is what makes me think I'm crazy. Those dice? Clinton, do you know what the odds are against my rolling a seven? Oh, about five or six to one. Watch. Seven. Now, what are the odds against my rolling it again? Twice in a row? Plenty. About a hundred of one, I'd say. Watch. Professor, you're hotter in a $2 pistol. That's funny. That's what they said eight years ago when I first discovered this. Discovered what? This force of the mind. I call it dynamo-psychism. You mean you shove those dice around just by thinking about it? People have always thought there could be a force of the mind. You know that. Fortunately or unfortunately, I've learned to control it. Yeah? How did you happen to find out about this, Professor? Well, it was about ten years ago, back in 1948. I made the mistake of going to a psychologist's convention and in order not to appear on social, I happened to find myself for the first and only time in my life in a dice game. What happened? I didn't have the faintest idea what was expected of me, and someone told me they were all sevens, so I did. Ten of them. But you weren't asked back into that game. That night, in my room, I realized that it simply couldn't have been an accident. I tried to reconstruct the exact scene, the position of my body and finally the thoughts in my mind. And that was what did it. I remembered what had been my train of thought, and I proceeded to roll sevens, not ten consecutive times, but fifty. Brother, there it is again. Professor, can you do anything else?  You see that inkwell on my desk? Sure. Watch it. Don't take your eyes off it. If nothing happens, say so, and I shall go quietly, even happily to the nearest sanitarium. Okay, Professor, shoot. Hey, it just blew up. Yes, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to splash ink on your suit. That's okay, Professor. What was that funny noise? Oh, that.  Sometimes when I turn on the power, they create a kind of static. Listen, Professor, how much power have you got? Could you blow up anything, well, you know, big? I could flatten the great wall of China. Boy, you'll make the helio-oxygen bomb look sick. That's what scares me, Clinton. The thought that maybe I could use this power to save the world. Clinton, you've got to help me. Who, me? Professor, when it comes to international relations, I don't know from where. You'd better get in touch with the State Department. State Department? Yes. They'd be the ones, wouldn't they? Well, you probably want to be getting home now. I'll see you to the door. I could use a breath of fresh air. Okay, Professor. You'd better stop brooding about this. You'll get somebody else to do your worrying for you. Yes, yes, you're right. I have been brooding, wondering what to do. Just sitting and staring endlessly at that awful monstrosity across the way. You mean the old bell tower? Yes, I've gotten so I can't stand the sight of it anymore. Professor? Professor, look what... Well, there's nothing left but a pile of rubble. Oh, my, I didn't really mean to do that. Well, you see, Clinton, it's got to the point where my lightest whim is more dangerous than a blockbuster. Professor, you get in and write that letter to the State Department right now. You pack too much of a wallet. Professor Barnhouse mailed his letter and things happened fast. A long arm of the army reached out, and within five days the two of us were deposited in an old mansion in Virginia, surrounded with a barbed wire fence and 20 guards, and labeled top secret. As soon as they'd seen a couple of small demonstrations, they set up a big test of dynamo-psychism, and the Professor was a very important guy. You could see him getting more unhappy every day. General Buck, I've got a talk to you. Just a minute, Professor. We're cleaning up the last of tails in Operation Brainwave. A roll of 1,400 hours tomorrow. That 1,400 what? Two o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Robot-controlled fighter rockets will take off at exactly 1,400 minus 10 and appear over the target at 1,400. Watching from here over the video screen, you will then try to knock all 20 of them out of the sky. Think you can do it? Of course I can do it. Fine. Then we're taking care of everything. Everything except that you neglected to ask me if I wanted to do it. I don't. This whole thing strikes me as childish and insanely expensive. We'll decide about that. What? What's the good of it? I wouldn't mind acting as a defense weapon if it were necessary, but I can make all wars and armaments unnecessary. I could give every nation what it needs. I could move mountains, build roads, dig irrigation canals. I have a technique which costs nothing and can do immense good. You're spending millions to prove that it can do immense damage. It doesn't make sense. You know something, General. He's right. Of course I'm right. I want you to send me and Clinton back to Wilton College. Right away. That's quite impossible, Professor. This operation has gone too far to be called off now. Yes, but... Even if we wanted to call it off.  But listen... You'll have to excuse me now. Major Cotthrel and I have to double-check the confidentialist of the observers on this end. Have you got a major? Yes, General. It's right here. Parker, Bernstein, Carter, Clinton, Cotthrel, Holbrook, Lawrence, Stein, Williams. I guess that includes everybody of importance. What about me? What? Oh, that's taken for granted, Professor. Thanks. 1,400 hours. Will you be ready? I'll be ready. And now, if someone will wind the restricted clock and put the confidential cat out, I'm going to bed. That's McKinley in the observation plane. Cut me in. Hello, McKinley. Reading it clear on the speaker. Everything all right? In course, in perfect formation. Altitude, 5,000 feet. Airspeed, 865. Hacking us. We've got you on radar. Haven't picked you up on the video screen yet. What's your estimated time variable over the target? Thanks. Check. Remember, McKinley, the observation plane is not to enter the target range. Veer off and circle at the 10-mile limit. Bring the rockets overhead by remote control. Check. The observation's signing off. One minute. 45 seconds to go, Professor Barnhouse. Are you in good shape? I'm all right, General. Good. You can all take our places in front of the video screen now. You sit here, Professor, in the center. Mr. Cutthroat, will you turn on the video screen? Right, General. Nothing yet. Just empty sky. Hold it. I hear him coming in. There are 20 of them, Professor. You think you can knock them down at this altitude? Distance has nothing to do with it. I don't want anything to go wrong. You're sure you feel all right? General, I know I can do it.  There they are. They're coming in. Get ready, Professor. 10 seconds. 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Now, wide open, Professor. Well, go ahead, Barnhouse. Knock them down. I did. Nonsense. All you've done is blank out the video screen. What went wrong? Did you give it everything you had? I was wide open, General. No, it didn't work. They're still flying. What's that? It just took a few seconds to work. That's it. Holy smoke. They're dropping like flies. McKinley in a brainwave control. What's happening? It works. It really works. Cutthroat, get Washington on the line. Barnhouse, I want you to... Hey, where's Barnhouse? Where's the Professor? We were all staring at the video. We must have walked out. Get moving, everybody. Let the guard search the house. Anything happens to that man? What is it going on? Corporal Gray got at the main gate. Sir Professor Barnhouse is gone. Gone where? He came tearing out of the gate at 40 miles an hour. Here's a note, sir. Do it out of the cars. He went by. I picked it up. Let me see it. Quick. What, uh... What got into that man? What does he say, General? Gentlemen, as the first super weapon with a conscience, I'm removing myself from your National Defense stockpile. Setting a new precedent in the behavior of Ordinance, I have humane reasons for going off. Sign? Not the Barnhouse. Barnhouse was gone. Within 12 hours, the world was on a spree. The headlines were glorious or terrible, depending on what you think of the things the way they are. The dynamo-psychic waves reached every corner of the world, and every country, every continent flashed the news of what was happening. Barnhouse knocks out hidden atomic-stockpiles. There was a new kind of war, the War of Tattletales. Secret agents of every country hunted for the hidden armaments of their enemies. Yelled about them in the newspapers, and immediately there'd be that warning burst of Barnhouse static, followed by... Radio control, please. Blown up on... Professor was out to make peace or bust. And nothing like him ever was. Cuthwell, I told the FBI and the Army everything I know weeks ago. I've answered questions till I'm blue in the face. I didn't come here to ask questions, Clinton. I came to ask for your help. My help? To find Barnhouse. What if I don't want to? If you're his friend, I think you'd better. Why pick on me? You've got the FBI, the police and Army intelligence. Why can't you find them yourselves? We're trying. But you know the man well. You could spot him where we wouldn't. And you're the only one who can't. Maybe. But why should I? Wherever he is, I think he's doing fine. He's making war impossible, and I like it. So do I. Yes. He's putting you a lot of jobs. That's all right with me. I'll retire to a truck farm with pleasure. Well, then? Look, Clinton, we aren't the only ones in this race. Every country in the world has its best agents out hunting for Barnhouse. Nobody can beat that kind of a manhunt. He seems to be doing all right so far. Sure. But how long do you think he can keep it up? A week, a month. Sooner or later, he'll be spotted. And if the wrong people find him, Clinton, we're done for. You know what kind of weapon this is. Whoever controls the Barnhouse effect can control the world. All right. Well, they do find him. He'd never give the secret away. Never give it away?  You think these fellows are playing for marbles? Well, no. Bring the papers, Clinton. Don't you know what's going on in the rest of the world? Yes. They'll get the secret out of Barnhouse, all right? What happens to him in the process won't be very pretty. Well, he must realize that, then. He'll never let himself be taken alive. He may not have the choice. And if he doesn't, God help us all. All right? All right, I'm in. Good. Now, do you know anything that you haven't told us? Anything that might give us a lead? Only this was addressed to me. I found it here on his desk the morning after we escaped. You mean he came back here? Yes. I guess he needed to pick up some personal effects. Anyway, the files were open and he left this note on the scrap paper. Anything to do with the Barnhouse effect? Read it yourself. It's Greek to me. Just these few lines scrolled in a piece of paper and the last one breaks off right in the middle of the sentence. This stuff doesn't make any sense at all. You know, from the looks of this, I'm beginning to wonder if the professor isn't going off his rocker. I thought of that, too. All the more reason why we've got to get to him quick. He may be helpless in the whole world on his track. Come on, Clinton, we haven't much time. You say you do recognize this photograph in Sweden?  He had the second floor front room for quite a while, but he left, oh, I should say, about a week ago. Say, is he wanted for something? Yes, if he's the man I think he is. Well, now I'd say you're looking for the wrong fella. That Mr. Balfas, he couldn't be a criminal. Why, he wouldn't even harm a fly. He spent all his time in his womb just thinking. Oh, brother, it's hot.  You may I teeth to be at Jones Beach. So would I, Corporal. We've got work to do here. Look, so we've been cruising around these radio detection cars for a week, not a sign of barnhouse static. The professor must have run out of things to work on. Well, we'll give him a little more time. Switch to shortwave. See if there's anything special coming through. Yes. Try the 90-meter wave. Let's hear that. Our American enemies who have hidden behind the undrusted diabolical persecution by Professor Arthur Barnhouse will tyrannize us no more. I wonder if the professor's out there. They are glorious leaders. He takes up his residence in a shelter shielded with lead against all dynamo-psychocrats. With his protection designed by our brilliant scientists to be absolutely impregnable against the barnhouse attack, he will once again lead us on the path of our glorious death. I've got it. Let me check this chart. Quick, man. 3.9, 1.7. Oh, my yaking back. What is it? We haven't got a prayer of finding a major. He'd have to be picked out of two million people. Where is Barnhouse? Right where I was wishing I was. Right smack in the middle at Jones Beach. Recognize this picture? Who wants to know? Uncle wants to know. Oh. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. Yeah, let me see it. Looks a lot like Room 417. About 5 feet 8, thin, sandy hair, glasses, little scar right across the bridge of his nose. Yes, 417 all right. You mean he's here now? No, not anymore. He checked out two days ago. When he couldn't have gone far. What makes you say that?  Couldn't hardly carry his own bag out. Uh-oh. Like I said to the other fellas, I said, he looked like he was on his way to the morgue. What other fellas? Oh, were there ones this morning? You're the second pair that's been asking for him. This way, gentlemen. You're sure he's here, nurse? Thank heaven we're in time. Well, I wasn't on duty when he came in, but one of the other girls told me he collapsed in the street. The ambulance brought him in. Poor guy. He must have really had it more up. Oh, here you are. Bed number 78. This is your man. Wait a minute. This isn't Barnhouse. But I was perfectly sure. Oh, wait. Let me check his chart. Dismissed 8 p.m. Only an hour ago. Oh, dear. Now I remember. Remember what? If he was sick, why did you let him go? Well, two of his friends came and took him away. They didn't want him in the charity ward. They said they'd make sure that he was taken care of. Out of this study, I keep hoping somehow I'll wake up out of a bad dream and find the professor just sitting here. Major, is there anything we haven't covered? Nothing. The police, the FBI, the air patrols, the docks, the railroad stations, everything. Not even a flea could get through this ragnet. I hope. Then I guess we sit. We sit. Maybe something will come in. You have to roll those dice. I'm sorry. I wasn't thinking. An hour. That's what's driving me crazy. One hour sooner and he'd have been in our hands. Not theirs. I know. Well, maybe he's still all right. How can he be all right? He's in the hands of a foreign power. We don't know that for sure. The professor was a like of a little duck guy. He couldn't have lasted this long if he hadn't found some friends. Maybe they came and took him away. Well, I... Grab that. Hello? Yes? Professor Boynhouse. Mr. Clinton. They've got me. Who's got you? Where are you, Professor? I don't know. What are you talking about? Remember the... Professor Boynhouse. That call just came in here. Can you trace it? The field out here, I remember. Hasn't been used in years. Better be the one. They didn't have too much of a start on us. Maybe we'll make it in time. Step on it, Corporal. Wide open, Major. How do you sound? Did he say who had him? No. All he got out was the airport. Something about an agent, Mr. Clinton. There's a tail light up ahead. Must be another car going like the devil. You're right. They're turning into the airfield. Come on, faster. Hold everything. Look up ahead. They're switching the floodlights on at the field. There's the plane down at the other end. All warmed up and ready to go. Remember me, get on the road. Hang on. I'm going through the fence. What's the matter? Get going. Sorry, sir. Must have cracked the axle. Now the submachine gun. You can't, Boynhouse. It's in that plane. You'll kill him. We've got to take that chance. That plane's headed straight for us. Hit the dirt. There goes the old ballgame. I'll get through the air patrols, sir. Maybe they can intercept the plane. They're not a chance. If they got off the ground, the plane would be out of range. No, we've lost, Boynhouse. And nothing can save us now. Hey, what the f*** is this? Are you all right? Yeah, sure. The plane. Boynhouse blew it right out of the sky. He wouldn't let himself be taken alive. We did it the hard way. Poor guy. He shouldn't have had to be a hero. All he ever wanted was peace. Peace? What's that? Now, the arms race will start all over again. With Boynhouse gone, what's left to stop it? So they brought me back here to the professor's old study to dictate this report. I'm sitting here at his desk, and it's just the way he left. Papers all over. Even his old pair of dice. Arthur Boynhouse is dead. That's going to be good news for some people when they find out. The sabre rattlers of the world will be busy as of tomorrow morning getting ready to whoop up another war. I'm afraid they're in for a little surprise. It's 3 a.m. now. Before morning comes, I intend to vanish. Disappear completely. That's the last that anybody will ever see or hear of me directly. That's why I want to tell you now. I've been looking at the new inkwell here on the desk. The professor's last words was something about an inkwell. And in it I found a little scrap of paper. Just a few words, but they complete the note I showed the nature. The note that didn't make any sense. The whole thing makes sense now. Professor Barnhouse may be dead. But you haven't heard the last of the Barnhouse effect, not yet. I've been experimenting while I've been talking to you. And now the time has come for me to say goodbye. You see, I've just rolled my 50th consecutive 70. You have just heard report on the Barnhouse effect by Kurt Vonnegut Jr. An adventure in time, space, and the unknown. Dimension. The strange story of the interspace rocket Star Cloud, which vanished mysteriously behind the great galactic barrier in the year 1986. What happened to it and to its crew? We'll tell you next week. Tonight's story report on the Barnhouse effect was adapted for radio by Clarice A. Ross. Featured in the cast were Bill Quinn as Clinton, Ed Jerome as Professor Barnhouse, and Carl Weber as Major Cutthroat. Your host was Norman Rose, music, Albert Berman, engineer Bill Chambers. Dimension X is produced by Van Woodward and directed by Edward King. Tomorrow here Sam Spade. Now it's truth or consequences on NBC.