action. All right, great. Thanks everybody for joining another episode of the OpenJS Foundation's cross-project council meeting today is the 7th of July. And yeah, let's get the party started. Do we have any announcements to share? Anything to talk about? Just a couple. Obviously today is our late day for meetings. But next Tuesday, I wanted to make sure everybody had in their calendar. In addition to our standards meeting at 2 p.m. Eastern and our CBC meeting at noon Eastern, we're going to have a last collab summit planning meeting at one Eastern. And that the goal there is just to go through and do a retrospective of the collab summit. Thank you all so much for the work and the support for that event. And we want to just go through that. So if you have feedback on the collab summit in particular, I would love for you to come to that meeting following the CBC meeting. And as a reminder, there's been a small survey going around about that. So any feedback you have is warmly welcomed either on the summit or on the OpenJS world. So that's sort of the big deal. We've also got the Node Security Working Group doing their AMA tomorrow. So if you have any questions or if you want to help support and promote that AMA, please let us know. That's going to be tomorrow at 9 a.m. PST, I believe. Right, Rachel? You got it. Awesome. Great. Just a quick announcement. So past few weeks, past month or so, the website redesign team was trying to move their bi-weekly meetings to weekly meetings. We have officially done that. We have gone from 12 p.m. to 2 p.m. now every week on Thursdays. So that is a new thing. It's been two weeks since we have started. Attendance has been a little low just because it's a new time change. So people may still get used to it. And also we had OpenJS World and things like that. So we did not have some meetings in the middle, but this is good and a new big step for us just to get things rolling and in the right direction. Great. Thanks, Debbie. Cool. Anything else? Anything from the board? Anybody? I don't have anything, any updates from the board. Although there is one topic, we're talking a little bit later about in terms of like the updating the CLA to the Apache style licenses. And the next meeting is I believe not next week, but the week after. Let me just double check. So if there is something coming up, yeah, it's the week of the 24th. Just let me know that you want me to bring up. Great. Great. Week of the 24th. Okay, cool. I'm trying to get the board seat stuff done, but I don't know if that needs board approval. I can't remember, but anyway, we'll get into that in a few, I suppose. Yeah, and we don't have to necessarily wait for that if it does. So yeah, cool. All right. Anything else from anybody? If not, we will jump into the agenda. Based on Toby's request to put the CLA conversation at the end, or at least second half, I moved it to the end. So the first thing in the Google Doc is the added membership program. This is a poll request that Sarah opened and we've got some commentary on here or comments. Sarah, do you want to get us up to speed and let us know where we're at? Yeah, so the two big outstanding pieces of feedback are the name. I think it's a good thing to brainstorm. There's a loaded term where it comes to membership that it might be a legal membership. People have suggested the term supporters, which sounds great for me. I don't know if anyone that is better at marketing can come up with something a little more catchy. But I think that's the big outstanding thing. Additionally, there's also some feedback on closing, on making sure that the newsletter continues to be made available for free to all project contributors. To me, that made sense. So that's the other outstanding issue. Also, this is my first time going through one of these. So some advisement on how to get these things through the phases would be awesome. So that's a request. Great. Yeah, sure. We're happy to help through there. And our welcomes, too. I wasn't here last week.  So welcome. Awesome. Thank you. Is that true? Yeah, I think so. Thank you. Yeah. Happy to be here. And then who else was recently added? Was it Divi? You're the new member as well, right? Yeah, I got added last week. Cheers. Thank you. Sarah, if I could, one question I had on the individual membership. I noticed the membership fee became a part of the proposal. And I was wondering if maybe this is in the right place to talk about it, but there may be some tooling considerations there in terms of actually collecting the fee that we might want to maybe work through some of the infrastructure discussions. Because in the past, that has been a question. So maybe we shouldn't take up the time now, but I'd be interested in discussing that with you. Yeah, that sounds great. Your concern is not about how much it is. Just can we collect the fee at all? Right. That's exactly it. So it kind of doesn't matter the amount. It's more the logistics on the back end of making sure it all works. And since my job is to make sure all the logistics work on the back end, we should probably figure out just kind of how things would work. That makes sense. Would it make sense to make some time with you to talk constraints and kind of what needs to be considered? Okay. Absolutely. Anybody else interested in being a part of that? I'm interested. I could. I would be definitely interested. They all send out an email. I assume it would just be something like a come to a website page and put it in a credit card, right? In theory, yes. Well, I mean, in practice, that's what it would be. But the supporting wiring to make that work is kind of the question. Yeah, I understand that's not that may be more complicated. We don't do any of that anywhere in the Linux Foundation already. Or there are some projects which do have individual participant programs. I don't know. I'd have to ask around and see if they're actually charging. We do have the ability to do credit card-based transactions and things like that. We certainly use it for other things. But I think it would maybe just be worth going through and figuring out how it will all be wired together. Yeah. Great. And so in terms of next steps for this, because this is stage zero, is this something we can land and then maybe capture open questions and move to stage one and kind of go along the process? That makes sense. It's a good way to learn how to do that in the doc. What is it like to work with on that? That's a good question. I would hope that it's documented, but I think probably somebody could kind of help us work through that in the PR or something. I mean, have you read through the proposal process? Because I think that's the doc. Great. I'm not sure there's too much more. It's kind of like at each stage, like the moving from one stage to the other, it's really just a rename. Unless there's some questions that have been answered or changed, it's kind of renamed the stage level that's in the doc and move it from one directory to another. Okay, sounds good. Yeah. And you may be able to look at previous proposals that may be in process. In fact, I just clicked to the collaboration network proposal, Michael, and I got a 404 on the README. That's probably because of the rename or something like that. Yeah. But anyway, what I was going to say, Sarah, is that if you look at some of the previous ones, there might be some prior artwork in terms of like capturing questions and just sort of moving through the process. Yeah. I'll just plant the seed too, that we may want to revisit that. There's a lot of document renaming and moving. And like at least on the collaboration network, when people were like, oh, I don't even have to look at it until a later phase. And it's like, that's frustrating, I think, to go through a number of phases and be pushing all these things. And then people are like, oh, I haven't even looked at it yet. So I'm almost thinking like it was great when we had contentious things. But like for like, we don't necessarily need four phases, like we could probably have one phase where the CPC agrees on it. And then the next phase where the board has said, yes, if it needs to review, and that's it for most cases. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, like, you know, by our current rules, it has to wait like two weeks in between, and we usually stretch that out. Anyway. Yeah, I wonder if we should make an issue just to review open proposals and their status and the proposal process itself, and maybe have an ad hoc meeting to kind of. I think I can open an issue to just review the proposal process. Yeah, that'd be great. And yeah, if you do run into something, just you can ping me. I'm pushing that one through. So I can point you to the few things that you might need to change. I think on this one, sorry, go ahead. No, no, I was just saying thanks. Okay. On this one, I think that like the one around whether the newsletter is worth maybe a little bit more discussion here. And like, I think the concern was not only to project members, but just publicly at all. And so I wonder what like the foundation marketing people think on that front, like, is that something they see as a vehicle to get out to a broader audience? Or would it be okay if it's a you had to pay and become a supporter to actually get it? I mean, I would like to weigh in as the author of that weekly newsletter. And you know, I think really overall, the readership is not too great. You know, it's about 100, I think subscribers. And I think people find value in that, but not obviously so much that we've hit some kind of, you know, exponential growth in terms of people subscribing to it. So I think the proposal to, you know, leave it, leave the subscription settings for the people who have already subscribed. But then to make it a perk of of support or ship is a really good one. And, you know, I'm a proponent of it. I think it is a value add for people who do care and are committed. So it makes it made sense to me. But that's my two cents. And that like I, you know, if that sways me in terms of like, if you're a proponent, I think that's a great idea that I'm happy as well. I was just concerned that maybe we were going to like exclude some people we wanted to get the message out to. So sounds like that's not the case. Yeah, we have more broader based communications. We have a an email list of what 28,000 from folks who have registered for our activities. And Rachel does a great job in a very sparing way of making sure that the broader community is updated on broader foundation things. But again, the Jory newsletter is pretty special. So I wonder if it needs to be something that's actually a perk or just something we just do. Yeah, because like, I do think it's really useful, but I can't see someone going out there saying, I want to join the foundation. So I get the newsletter as a member, right? But like, it's just something nice that we do. You know what I mean? I guess that's my perspective. Yeah, I hate to limit the audience that can receive our news, you know. So Dylan, I could have interpreted that two ways. One, which is, yeah, we can give it just to the supporters, but it's kind of a nice thing as opposed to promoting it as a perk. And the flip side could be, no, we should actually just do it and make it available to everybody. I could argue for either case, but I just don't think that like, I guess my perspective is most people that want to become an individual members do it because they want to help the foundation or the projects that are involved. And like, the perks are nice. But like, if I was looking at it as a developer and I was like, oh, I get a newsletter, I might not care or I might actually see that as a negative, like, great, I have to read something every week. You know what I mean? Like, until you receive the net newsletter from Jordan, you're like, oh, that was really nice and sweet and useful. It doesn't like sell on its own. So why, why list it as a big perk kind of thing? You know, I think it's just like, I don't know if that makes sense. But like, why would someone care to join as a supporter or a member? Well, to like, be part of it to help us out to give us some cool stuff. But they're not doing it because they get these 10 things and they care about all 10 of those things. So I guess just try to keep it simple. It's my perspective. I think this is maybe an opportunity to talk to some folks that might become users, like potential members, right? Or maybe some folks that are members or supporters of other OSS foundations to see, to ask them why. I don't know if there's ever been, I don't know, there may be existing research here of talking to people about why they would want to become members or supporters of the OpenJS Foundation. I think it would be interesting to learn the motivators. I think the reason we've been talking about the newsletter this way is having exclusive access. Dory puts a lot of work into it and as and it's a great newsletter and adding a letter level of exclusivity with a really low price point is can be used as a way to motivate folks to sign up both to the newsletter itself, which right now is signed up. You sign up if you find the link. So both some exposure for the newsletter itself and for the for the supporter program or membership program, that being said, it might be possible that that's not a motivator for folks and it's kind of hard to tell without speaking to some people that might be our ideal candidates for something like this. Have we ever looked into, into, you know, doing some research around this or talking to folks about what would motivate them to sign up for something like this? We definitely talked a lot about what might motivate people to join in the past. I don't, I can't remember if we ever went out and did an actual survey or anything like that. But I don't, I don't personally remember and I wasn't in all the discussions, but I don't personally remember us having done that and documented it anywhere necessarily.  And you know, you've got some of them like the digital badge and stuff like that, but I also think that if we send out a survey that's going to end up skewing toward people who will take the time to fill out a survey, which I imagine will also be people who will be reading newsletters. So, you know, yeah, good point. Yeah. I mean, I think we could just list it if it's, if it's going to be exclusive, you could just say, you know, the things you get are blah, blah, blah, we, you know, it doesn't have to be billed as why you would join. It doesn't have to be like things you only get as a member either, like the newsletter. I mean, I personally think there's we're an open foundation, you know, on open ideals. So we don't want it to sort of come across as like there's tears of openness and closeness. And so I would prefer that everyone that's interested in Jory's message be able to get it. But I also understand you want to have some stuff that, you know, is tangible. So I could argue it either way, just I don't know I would make a huge deal out of like the newsletter being a perk on its own. And like, and then if you try to make it bigger, like, you know, you get more exclusive access to the teams, then it's like, well, wait, we're open projects. So are we really trying to like create a barrier to like our openness as a foundation, right? So just kind of, I guess it just I don't know how to reconcile that, but that's just sort of what goes through my head. Yeah, well, let's maybe capture these things in the proposal and we can discuss them further in a new PR that's moving to the next stage, I guess, as the open questions. And, you know, perhaps we need to have a session on some of these things to wrap it up. Yeah. Cool. One aspect of this proposal that I think we could cover in this one is, is deciding on renaming it from a membership to a supporter program. I'm in favor of that. Anybody have concerns? No, that sounds good. I like your questions, Toby, too, that maybe they should be made clear in the proposal as well. What are the goals and what are we trying to attract? I know we've talked about that some, but making sure it's clear, I think, through the proposal might be good. But in the sake of time and agenda, we'll call that a wrap and move on to the next items. The next one on the list here is the continued CPC current board members. I think Jory was saying that there was some discussion about this last week. Is anybody want to catch me up or the group up? I think it was an argument that this was a good idea and that we should just do this and, like, this was a no-brainer and we should just do it. Okay. But then I believe Myles brought up the point that we may have to keep it open for two weeks per our governance process. Myles is not here, though, to confirm. Okay. And was that just like this issue or just the, because I don't think there's an update. This is just an issue. I don't know if there's a pull request that's associated with it. I think the argument was that this is conceivable to be a governance change. Therefore, we should follow the procedures for that. So I think if we agree on, it's still sounding like a good idea, then we can call it done. Okay. And I don't mind leaving it open for two weeks. It's only a couple more days. So whatever, people are comfortable with this with me. But I think it makes sense to leave, you know, to move this in place. I don't know if there's an issue on this, but I will have some PR open hopefully tomorrow for the board stuff. And then we can kind of move forward on this. I apologize for my delay. Go ahead. Yeah. If I may just add something here, it would be great for issues like this, which are sort of straightforward. Everyone agrees. It's kind of obvious. It's the right thing to do. It's non-contentious that we could actually not have to have like a complex time-consuming process around them. I don't really know how to do that. But the fact that we're discussing process for something that's so obvious is kind of a problem, I feel. I would agree with that. And I would see that. Do have fast tracking. This is already a thing that we do. The particular thing here is that this can be conceived to be a governance change. And therefore, that cannot be fast tracked. Right, exactly. Yeah, but it's not even a change. I mean, it is in theory, but we can just like say, we agree, let's move on and try to just get the other stuff in place. I think, Miles, the only point was that if we were to land something, the requirements would be that it would be open for two weeks so people could notice and comment. Yeah, and I don't know that we need to actually discuss or do anything just given people enough time to say, wait a second. We can even leave this open until we get the new seats in place, you know, people elected and everything. I don't care if it doesn't matter. Anyway. I don't talk more than we needed to. All right, cool. We'll just, we kind of agree. Feel free to object in the issue.  Moving on. Incubation process clarification. This is issue 567. Oh, it looks like I opened this 21 days ago. Did I write all this? I don't even remember this. Does somebody else want to get some context going here? 21 days feels like so long. Yeah, sure. I can give some context. This is a follow up on the fact that moving amp and electron through the approval process had some last minute hiccups and some lack of clarity around what the process was here of approving an incubated project and moving it to a full, to fully on board it to the foundation, given that there were already a vote for the charter and there was also the question was, was there another vote that was necessary and can we sort of like organize this, make it clear so there were no like last minute surprises. I think that was the goal of that issue. Yeah, I think it was basically let's revisit what we've got and improve or change, tweak whatever. Yeah, and I essentially agree with Emilee's last comment, which I think is what I was saying in the description that the charter approval is explicit, but just having this final step of adding it to the list is a good kind of closure, I think. I don't want to make more process and all that other stuff, but it just seems to make sense to me. I think the next step is like a proposal or PR that changes governance to match something new, right? Yeah, and then we can discuss the actual details of implementation there if we want. All right, so I'm just going to say this needs PR too. I can probably draft something on if somebody else wants to. I would gladly take your offer to help. Thank you. And yeah, your proposal sounds good. Great. I think it sounds like a good way to proceed. Excellent. Thank you, Toby. I appreciate that. Next up is the moving security proposal to stage two, waiting on feedback. What's the status here? That one, basically we just need to get feedback from the projects that they're going to be comfortable with the new requirements it imposes. That's my take that we need to do that before we land it at the next stage. Great. So I think on that one, I posted a comment, although it's there is, so I don't know, Jory, do you want to send that out? Do you want me to send it out directly? What's the best way to get that feedback? We certainly have some lists to, we can send to all of the maintainers. I think it would be great to know where exactly you want to get that feedback beyond discussion in an email thread. I think in that issue would be ideal, right? Like it says here's what the requirements are going to be if people have concerns. Chami in there would be good. That sounds great. Great. So does that sound like you're going to send out an email? Okay. Excellent. All right. Initial draft of the community board seats. Is that closed, I think? That's merged. I went ahead and landed that because it looked like it had enough approvals, minimum time had passed and all that. Yep. Excellent. Thank you, Michael. Next up is the move the collaboration network to stage two. It looks like we're maybe waiting on some feedback from Miles based on some conversation. Michael, you and Miles were having an issue here on the field. Yeah. Well, in the issue, he posted some comments. I took me a little while, but I finally updated. So just waiting for him to come back on that to see if it addresses his concerns, questions, whatever. Great. Next up is the work in progress pull requests. Michael, for governance changes on the collaboration network. Yes. That's just waiting on the other one. Like basically we need to get the proposal through the process and then separately that those governance changes can be made once that's in place. Great. And then the next issue, you've already closed since we have PRs for the other Yeah, it seems like we had too many issues talking about the same thing. Great. Great. Great. Second director seat is the next issue. You know, this is something that I am going to work on. In terms of clarifying what these two seats will be moving forward. We've had some discussions and I have notes on all of that and have something started. So I should have a PR open this week. Definitely before next week's meeting, but hopefully as soon as possible since it is like governance changes and it'll take a little bit of time. Next is pull request 414 for ad foundation wide copyright guidance. This is my weekly thing that I say I will get to. Yeah. I feel you though. Don't roll. I'm on holidays right now, mind the ocean, so I am not going to be working on this now. But when I'm back, I will. All right. Great. Great. Excellent. Responsible security disclosures that has the PR to move to stage two currently waiting on input from projects. And then Toby, the last one on the list here is the CLA update in CLA to the Apache style. I CLA and CCLA. Yeah, thank you so much for bearing with me and moving that to the back. I appreciate it. No worries. No worries. What's the story here? So I think Brian brought them brought it up. So I think Brian should introduce it. And there's just something that I care about.  So it's just to be clear. This is there's nothing annoying about this. You know, Toby was glad that you brought this forward because it's it's uncovered a number of other folks who kind of feel the same way. A little bit of history here. So when we're talking about CLA's, JSF required CLA's for all of its projects. Node foundation prior to the merger did not. And our way of addressing that when we did the merger and constructed all the legal documents was to say a CLA will be approved by the board, which is there for projects to use or not as they see fit. So as when we set up the original CLA, it didn't basically inherited the text of the JSF CLA, which is effectively the text of the DCO with a few changes to it. And one of the the things that was brought up when amp was coming in, which also uncovered some discussions with other companies that other organizations were interested in this as well, is the idea that if you're going to use a custom CLA, you're effectively going to be exposing yourself to a fair amount of review by companies who want to participate and is creating a barrier. And the one of the ways to to get around this is to use much more common CLA text. The way it was described to me by an attorney was the principle of least astonishment. The idea being if you're going to use something like this, that it should be something that people recognize. One of the things that we have seen certainly on the Linux Foundation side has been that a lot of projects are adopting Apache style CLA's. Apache Software Foundation has an individual CLA and a corporate CLA. These are different from the Apache license. But these are fairly broadly used, fairly well understood. And most importantly, the legal counsel who should be reviewing anything that would get signed, they're all going to be familiar with this at this point. So the proposal was, let's take the existing CLA before too many projects get fully onboarded with it, replace it with one that is much more common and is going to be easier to pass through reviews when contributors want their company to sign it on their behalf. And let's just do that now. And it's one of these things where we don't really get a second shot at this. If we wait another year to make these changes, then there are going to be projects which are on the CLA tool, which their contributors are going to have to go back and get re-signed. So now is a really good time to bring this up, and it's a really good time to address this. Does that make sense? Yeah. And I think just to add to that, I think you'd mentioned that there may need to be some change anyway, right, for existing projects. Yeah. So any project which signed or what's using the existing JSF CLA is going to have to re-sign their CLA anyhow. Other contributors re-sign. The reason for that is that the organization that they signed the CLA with no longer exists. So this is a perfect time to be having this conversation because we're going to have to figure this out anyhow. My understanding from the issue, Brian, is also that the board is on board with this, sorry, sorry. And was asking the CPC for sort of like additional approval and or comments about this. And I would like to make a specific comment that's an extra ask on top of this. I don't know exactly what the, well, first of all, I 100% agree was all of what you said there. And I think making that move now makes more sense. And it also has an additional benefit, which is from my perspective, when we're handling open source projects like this, the goal is always to balance the IP of the project and make sure that we have a project that is clean to use, safe to use for people that want to use it. And safe for people that contribute to it to make sure that the contributions are going to be used in the proper way, etc. And balance this was having something that is contributor friendly and frictionless when people actually want to contribute to their project. So you want to have this balance between these two things. And the existing CLA from the foundation has the same kind of level of friction as the Apache CLA. But my understanding is from a legal perspective offers a lot less protection, notably doesn't really cover issues around patents that well. And so, from that perspective, it seems very valuable to move towards. I mean, not only is the principle of least astonishment, you know, better fulfilled was like an Apache CLA. I think it also protects the projects better without increasing the cost to actual contributors. So I think that's a pretty big benefit for the projects. So then that's the first thing I wanted to say. The second thing I wanted to bring up was the fact that there's something really interesting about the Apache CLA, which is that the individual CLA allows people to contribute IP that is theirs, or that they have received authorization to contribute on behalf of, for example, their employer if the IP is actually their employers. And that leads a number of companies to essentially rely only on the individual contributor CLA for their own open source software. And so my ask would be that if we move towards there, allow projects to choose to choose whether they want just the ICLA of both the ICLA and the corporate CLA. Yeah, so that that was brought up in the recent legal meeting. We deferred that to further discussion. The first question is getting the CCLA and ICLA updated, but it is definitely so just, you know, to be totally open and transparent. It's something which is under discussion. And there are varying, varying viewpoints on this, but yeah, no, absolutely. I understand absolutely. My point, sorry to, I didn't mean to speak over you. I thought you were. Oh, no, that's fine. Yeah, no, my point was to suggest that, you know, if the, if the board was asking the CPC for their opinions on that topic, for, you know, for our opinion on the topic that the C, that's one of the things that the CPC should bring up as an opinion because it makes the process way easier in lots of cases and for certain projects. And I'm speaking here on behalf of AMP. For AMP, it is clearly a benefit not to, not to have to accept corporate CLAs because of the nature of the contributors to AMP. So my comment here is, if the board is asking for comment from the CPC, I would like the CPC to bring that up. And this has been a topic of conversation that has, they came up in the legal call. And then also, you know, Robin has mentioned this a few times in the board meetings, just in general, how our goal is to not throw barriers in front of contributors, right? So our goal is to eliminate barriers so that we, it's easier for contributors to be able to participate in the projects. So this is, these are all things which are being, you know, they're under consideration, they're under discussion. I will say CCLAs were really hard to manage compared to individual CLAs. In particular, individual CLAs, we were able to just create a bot and people could connect to their GitHub account and make that work versus corporate ones typically are signed. And then how do you connect the organization to the people who are approved by that organization? And that's almost always a manual process and a lot more work. But I do definitely agree with aligning with whatever language is going to cause the least amount of friction, just that I don't know that CCLAs work well for us. Yeah, I mean, that's the language is definitely step one. As far as CLA management goes, CCLAs and ICLAs, I mean, ultimately, it's not a decision that I can make. It's not a decision that really that probably any of us can make individually. It's something that, you know, it's all a level of comfort on the part of the legal council that represent the contributors and the projects and the foundation and everything else. But it is helpful to have these data points because then we can pass them back in and say, this is, you know, this is what people are thinking. Yeah, with Doja, we made everyone, even if they were covered under a CCLA, still sign the individual one. It was basically just they would know that their company was covering them by already having a CCL in place, but we still insisted that they individually sign it to make it easier for us. Yeah, and tooling has improved a bit recently. I mean, one of the things about so if you're taking, for example, if you do require a CCLA, the tool that we're using right now does allow for a company to say anybody in GitHub who's associated themselves with the org is automatically approved. They're on the automatic approved list. A company can also say, whoa, you know, we're going to be more traditional about this and say we want to approve individual people individually. And that's also an option. But, you know, the idea of having to go and get yourself manually added to a list, that's an option that the company can choose, but doesn't necessarily have to. So from a tooling perspective, I think we can, I wouldn't make the decision based solely upon tooling because that there are options out there. And yeah, I think, you know, this is, this is certainly getting kind of coming full circle back around to this issue. This issue is step one. And step one is basically working on the language. Step two is then, you know, what does the actual guidance to the projects look like? I will say that if a CCLA is enabled on the project, there's nothing in there that would say you can't sign an ICLA. It's more a question of, you know, this isn't really an open JS question at that point. This is a, is your employer comfortable with you signing an ICLA question, which is between between you and your employer, not between you and the project. So I think there are some other things here that we can also, you know, consider as we go forward. But, you know, for now, let just kind of focusing on the project in hand. I think at this, sorry, if I just may, I mean, I think I agree with like everything that Brian just mentioned. I think though that if the request is what is the CPC thing about this, and that multiple members and multiple projects of, you know, actually are saying, well, CCLA have been tough for us to handle, and we don't like it from like an operational perspective. I think this is the message that the CPC should send back. That's all I'm saying. I don't think there's a lot of controversy even among our legal counsel. It's just great in time. So I just absolutely. Yeah. This is like for this specific issue. The request, you know, I think, you know, I put on my hat as the community representative and said, from, you know, the principle of least surprise, we should at least go out to the projects. And before we change something, there should be a, do you have any concerns with us switching to the Apache licenses? So I think we could probably handle the two things by sending out an email to all the projects that says like, do you have any concerns with us switching to the Apache from the current one? And two, you know, as a second step, we're discussing whether we allow, you know, ICLA alone. What's your perspective on that, right? And that would give us the answer to the first one. So we could go ahead and change the change to the Apache, you know, if we get more approval, and to have the data for the discussion that's happening on the other side. So it was great. One important aspect of the previous, of asking the projects is, is there a cost here? Is there something that the Apache license that we do currently get from a project point of view or from a contributor point of view with the current text that we would not get with the Apache based text? All right, well, let's move the conversation to the issue. And then we can jump into private session. Is that fair? Yep. Time check. Great. All right, cool. Well, actually one quick thing we missed in the announcements, Fastify version three is out. So that's cool. Announcement, yay. Otherwise, let's call it a wrap and jump into private session. Sound good? Sounds good. Great. Thank you. I don't think we have too many people who are non-members, but if you are not a member, if you could drop off, that'd be great. And then we'll discuss some private business. We're still live on YouTube. Yeah. All right. Brian, can you do that for me? And then who, let's see, who's on the call who's not a member? Somebody's blank here. Maybe they dropped. I don't know.


Okay, where were we? Right. Rail-to-rail op-amps can output signals with the full voltage range of their power supply Which might not sound like a big deal until you build a buffer circuit with an older design and you only see Part of your signal at the output. We can get the full picture by swapping it out for a newer design like the TLV 2462 Ah, there's our 5 volt sine wave and we didn't have to increase the power supply voltage to get it Thank you TLV 2462 In addition to rail-to-rail output, this chip is also a low power design So with chips like these available, why are old op-amp designs still being manufactured? Well, not every application needs a wide output voltage swing and the LM358 goes for about one-sixth The price of a TLV 2462. That'll do it


Derrick had a final drive to be able to go 90 yards when you guys needed it too. I mean, what was going on and what was being said? Score, I need to score, you're the win, I don't score. Derrick, what does it say about the result of you guys that you were up big and then they chipped away and then took the lead and then the offense was able to put together that cry? I just believe in each other. I know we're going to execute, no defense, we're going to stop and what's going on there, trying to put points in the way of what this is going to be. How much did it help the defense setting you up for those two first half turnovers inside the 10? Yeah, they were huge, you know, it's a capital, big time for all they play. We started to go out there and ask you guys to offense and get points on the board to help us in the game. Back to four and four with the half of season to play, is there kind of a new like being, I guess, brought into this team a little bit? It's one game at a time. Focus on the game that week and then focus on winning and then next week make corrections and your recommendation. You seem like you're taking the fumble, I'm guessing, a little hard. Had help to offer you on yourself, even when you make a mistake. And why is that a good thing for you to help you bounce out? It's got to be good for home to the ball, it's got to be good next week.


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50% of the time, the favorite wins the Preakness. So, Mage, our Kentucky Derby winner, he should be the favorite in the Preakness, but does he have what it takes to win? Does he have what it takes to go all the way through the Triple Crown? Here's the tools that I think he needs, and here's what I think he has. Number one, he's a fresh horse. Remember, the Triple Crown is three races in five weeks. And look at that face, he's tough, he's gritty. He was at the back of the pack from the Derby. All that dirt flying back at him, he ran right through it to go on to victory. Number two, he has a great team. His jock, he's already in the Hall of Fame. His trainer, although fairly new to the US, won the Triple Crown in Venezuela three times before coming stateside. And number three, he has the pedigree, the lineage, to continue to get better with distance and time. His father, his grandfather both did so, and their offspring are exactly the same. Mage has all the tools, and he could go all the way.


Hello and welcome back.  Now the very first thing I want to do is to somewhat normalise exam stress so we do sometimes get caught up in this loop of overly worrying about the amount of stress that exams cause and granted when we get to the point where they're causing significant mental health impairment then that's an issue. When we're finding young people who are having a significant impact day in and day out on their ability to engage in normal activities and that's going on for weeks on end then that's an issue when it's causing self harm or it's causing issues with their eating or seeing significant anxiety or depression that is an issue. However exams are something that almost everybody faces at some point and almost everybody finds objectively stressful and that's okay. Actually exams are quite a good opportunity for young people to learn about how to manage stressful situations. If we take the right approach towards exams and we help young people to recognise the physiological impact of stress, how to look after themselves well in order to minimise the impact that that stress has on their performance and on their ability to engage in their normal lives then we can help them to better tackle other objectively stressful and difficult situations when they arise later on. So if for example they later on go through a bereavement or a loss of some kind for example they would be able to apply some of these skills again. So there is a positive to the stress of exams. We are in a situation where many young people will face exams those exams are stressful what can we do to support that. So number one is to do what I've just done and to help to normalise it somewhat. Often a young person who's feeling highly stressed about exams won't realise that the way that they're feeling is just how everyone else is feeling and so actually knowing that other people feel the same generations before you and generations after you will also find this stressful it's normal to find this stressful and it might not be pleasant but it's normal that's a really really helpful thing to impart. The next one is to help young people to understand that to a certain extent the stress that they feel around their exams is quite good. Harnessed in the right way this stress this anxiety is the thing that enables them to concentrate for three hours through the length of a whole exam and perform to the best of their ability hopefully. That's a long time to concentrate for and it's not a particularly normal thing to have to do but the kind of physiological stress response we have the adrenaline etc that kind of keeps us going means that we are able to sustain that response in just the same way that you know someone who is a hundred meter sprinter feels a great deal of kind of stress and anxiety and adrenaline pumping as they wait for that stark under fire and that's what gets them as fast as possible to the end of the race and so actually we can use this to our advantage. Also obviously feeling somewhat apprehensive and stressed about exams upcoming is the kind of thing that will motivate us to put in place the right measures to ensure that we do our best in those exams so that means doing things like actually putting the grind in and doing the revision which might not be the first thing we choose to do otherwise so stress can be somewhat good. Next in order to help young people to minimize that the stress that they're feeling and to promote their performance and their well-being we need to help them understand that before they do anything else they need to get their physical health right so all young people all people need to think about their physical health because this absolutely underpins our mental health we need to make sure we're getting enough good quality sleep we need to make sure that we are eating regularly and healthily and we need to make sure that we are being somewhat active and getting outside if we can. Now these are not the easiest things to get right particularly when you're very busy in the lead-up to things like exams but these these are the absolute cornerstone to staying well when we get the physical underpinnings right then that means that our kind of mental and emotional resilience is much much higher and we're much better able to manage the rest of everything else if you think about how hard you find it to manage a difficult situation if you're tired or you're hungry for example and then think about being perpetually in that state perhaps because you are depriving yourself of sleep or not eating properly because you are stressed about exams and then think about trying to revise to the best of your cognitive ability the two just don't really go together so we need to really really help them understand the the importance of that that physical health and with that goes things like encouraging young people not to give up all of the activities that they did prior to their exam revision and the exam period so the tendency can be that everything else gets dropped in favour for revision and that can mean that they're not doing things like team sports and activities that can be a really important underpinning of their physical health and can also be just a generally really really good outlet for kind of stress and anxiety period that links into my next point which is to emphasise with young people the importance of downtime now granted for some young people this isn't the one we want to major on we want to be actually encouraging them to do a bit more work but increasingly I get talked to by parents and by teachers who are worried by the sheer volume of hours that young people put into their studying in order to study effectively we need to make sure that young people are building in regular breaks and exactly what works best for them will depend partly on what they're studying how old they are how they most effectively work and part of our kind of study skills development will be helping them to identify that but there certainly is an absolute need for downtime our brain needs a break and so we need to encourage them to have that downtime build it into the revision timetable downtime so they don't feel guilty about it and to actually do something completely different they need to be given permission by parents by teachers by themselves to actually take genuine proper breaks if we have these scheduled breaks but we say like this is actual downtime and I'm going to take it between three o'clock and four o'clock on Saturday then we can make sure we have a really really good well-defined break and then we get back to working to the best of our ability in in as we return to the timetable so I mentioned there as well the importance of study skills which feels like a slightly strange thing to link into a video about stress but actually one of the things that's most stressful in the run-up to exams is young people who don't feel like they're going to be able to perform to their best and obviously in order to perform to our best in our exams we need to have a good understanding of the topic that we are going to be examined on and we've got to have good skills for actually tackling that exam to the best of our ability and so we must never underestimate the importance of teaching good study skills to our students when thinking about how we can promote their well-being in the run-up to exams. It sounds like a really simple thing but sometimes it's the thing that we're missing in in the jigsaw and sometimes we're too busy thinking about healthy coping skills and breathing techniques and things like that rather than actually thinking right how can we just make sure that the kids are performing the best that they can what do I need to do here in terms of study skills in terms of increasing subject knowledge then we do need to teach our healthy coping skills so I've just kind of dissed them in the last bit there it's not that they're not important it's just that study skills are even more important than healthy coping skills because actually we just want kids to do really well in the exam so we teach our study skills then we're going to think about our healthy coping skills and that is thinking about how do we manage when we begin to feel very anxious we can think about healthy coping in the short term so things that we could do literally as we're about to go into an exam or if we feel the panic rising and that might be things like using our box breathing techniques or other breathing techniques we might be thinking about also things to help us become calm enough in order to get things like effective sleep so calming strategies for the evening we might also be thinking about how we deal with frustration or anger or upset that we might feel while we're studying because what we can often find is that we are somewhat more emotionally turbulent during this time and that that kind of that ongoing stress of knowing the exams are coming up can mean that our emotions are a lot less in check helping them to to recognize and manage the different emotions that they might be feeling and ensuring that they've got lots of different strategies in their kind of healthy coping toolbox if you like that they can turn to before they turn to unhealthy coping mechanisms like drinking or self-harm or the use of food as a way of managing and so we want to make sure instead that they're writing or drawing or singing or painting or playing with their dog or playing with their playstation whatever it might be and we want to make sure that they know what to turn to what to use as those healthy coping skills next we need to make sure that our young people know how to seek help if they need it now that's not just help for mental or emotional well-being issues that is also help with academic issues because when we're in the run-up to exams as I said before one of the things that's most likely to stress us out is if we feel we don't have mastery of our subjects and we're really genuinely worried about how we're going to do in that exam so we need to make sure that young people know how to access support with academic work and that becomes particularly important if they do go away on study leave and we need to make sure they do feel supported they know how and when to ask for help and what will happen if they do also it is good if we can help them to know where to look for help if they're worried about themselves or a friend emotionally as well if we see the warning signs or a young person becomes concerned about themselves and needs extra help it's great if they know where to look for help whether that's us that we've highlighted specific websites we've let them know to talk to a parent or GP or we let them know who at school they might talk to we just need to let them know what next steps to take if they're worried finally we can help with this whole exam stress thing by setting exams into a slightly wider context now what can happen in the run up to exams whichever level they're at is that we become very very tunnel visioned and we worry hugely about these exams as if they are the most important thing that has ever or will ever happen and granted at this point in this young person's life this might be the most important thing they've done to date and it might be something that's going to have a huge impact on their future what can be helpful is to kind of address that catastrophizing voice that says what if I go in and I completely fail what if I fail everything okay what if you do fail everything what then and actually thinking about literally what is the worst thing that can happen can kind of sometimes be helpful because it puts it in context we can also think about well actually is it really going to have you know that big an impact is it really going to change your whole life if you don't do well in this exam and really try to set the context for that the other thing that we can do is to help that young person to think about it from the point of view of someone else and say well actually if your friend was feeling like this what would you kind of say to them do you think they'd be likely to fail all their exams and actually try and look at the evidence that supports their viewpoint so if they have this very sort of catastrophic point a few of you know I'm not good enough I'm going to fail actually asking the question is that likely to be true do you have a good understanding of the subject do you have a good track record in doing okay here has your teacher predicted that you're probably going to do all right and are you doing enough work and if you if all those things are true which they are for many young people then the answer is that they're likely to do okay and that's important to understand too to really kind of understand that to look for the evidence that things will likely be okay okay I hope that was helpful if you would like to see my future videos please subscribe leave a comment down below with your suggestions additions experiences etc and if you like the video please give it a thumbs up and I'll see you next time bye


The next demo for you is Scottish Country Dancing, and this is a demonstration of the Strep Spade Step, and it will be performed by Elizabeth and Company, and it will be danced to the tune, Carolyn's Dream. Do you want to walk it one more time? Yes. Right. And they're fill-head programs, which is a program, and for all levels. And I do a little residency with them, and I bring some of my heart students. So we bring the heartburners, and fiddlers, and other instruments together to work on some pieces right to their local Caroline. And since the last time I was here, young tradition of Vermont has become part of Vermont Pope Life, which is the future of what has been such an important program. And the new director, Ian Furry, is here with us today in Cape Brighton Island in Nova Scotia on that trip. And Ava here is an alumni of that group, and youth leader of that as well. So it's just really great to bring these young folks together. We have a piece prepared for you today called Premenia. So it's not one of Caroline, but I think it's an absolute gem. One of my favorite things to do in my practice time is to sit there with the Caroline book and go through looking for gems. And I really think this is one of them, so we hope you... And she's also just competed in one of the most... She was a finalist and one of the most prestigious heart competitions for Scottish music in the country. The Princess Margaret of the Isles competition down in Charleston, right? And she played absolutely beautifully as a finalist there. So I'm immensely proud of her. And she's going to play a couple of tunes that I think might be familiar to many of you who love Caroline's music. She's going to be playing Eleanor Plunkett and Bridget Cruz, which are two of my very favorite Caroline tunes. These are the first two tunes I think I learned by Caroline and I think the first tunes I ever played here, which might have also been around the time I first started playing her. So this is kind of a callback to that time. Thank you so much for having me. So Eva and I are going to play a duet for you now. This is a tune called Caroline's Cup. And it actually predates Caroline. It's a beautiful Irish song and air, known as Brøyh, the Caracabana, the Bank of the White Rocks. But this I think was Caroline's own setting of it, which has more of a waltz-like feel and a tighter meter, and he's added a few features that are really quite beautiful. So Caroline's Cup. I'm so happy to hear that.  And I'm going to start out with two that I don't think I've ever played at this festival before. They're new to me in the last couple years. And the first is called, this is a pair of tunes that are both for Caroline's patrons, Mrs. Costello. And I believe the second, Mrs. Maxwell. And the second one in particular has a really sort of Baroque 18th century feel, which I really enjoy playing. The first one I feel like I can hear a little bit more of the old Irish harp tradition in it. So this is Mrs. Costello and Mrs. Maxwell. Thank you so much. I love the drama of that last one. So I'm going to shift over to some of Caroline's more major tunes. I've been really into his minor tunes lately. And this is a pair of tunes that I dearly love because I have played them often with Hillary Farrington and Benedict Culler, who are longtime friends of this festival and dear friends of mine. The first is called Keen O'Hara. It's a tune for one of Caroline's patrons. And then it goes into the setting associated with Caroline. It's called the Two William Davises. And this is in fact a tune that came over from Scotland and it's well known as the classic Scottish tune, Killy Cranky. But it certainly has sort of an Irish flair to it in this setting. And it's played often as a hornpipe. Fran and John, am I right in thinking this was your wedding processional as well? Keen O'Hara. It's one of my favorite tunes. This goes out to the two of you. It's your anniversary. Happy anniversary. This next one is a set that I learned for this festival a number of years back. It begins with a tune called Nancy Cooper. And it has a really close start to the first piece I played. So I have to separate John O'Reilly and Connor O'Reilly. And I've actually had a broken lever on my harp for a number of months which I just fixed in a Zoom call with my harp maker. This is the lever and I'm so excited to have this lever working again. So I couldn't wait to brush this one up. So this is Nancy Cooper, John O'Reilly and Connor O'Reilly. Thank you all so much. I have one last piece to share with you before I know there's some really beautiful Carolyn music coming up and I can't wait to hear it. I have just loved this festival so very much for so many years and I absolutely adore Carolyn and his music and I love this community so much. It's great to be among you again. And this is a very, very special piece to me. This is Mr. O'Connor. It's a piece written for one of Carolyn's many patrons. And it starts out as a sort of, almost has like a minuet feel. It's very sort of classical, broken in nature. And that's a two-part tune. And then it goes into another one of his just delightful 18th century jigs which unlike modern jigs, there'll be a lot of 16th notes in these, the 18th century jigs which are just really fun to play. And this piece actually, this is the piece I warm up with on the harp almost every time I sit down to practice and it is, every time I play it, I find something new to love about it. So I will leave you with Mr. O'Connor. Thank you all so much. How many cards, everybody? Thank you again. And I have a couple of announcements for the next speaker or next musician. I'd like everyone to thank the volunteers today who put this festival together. And we have a bit more before dinner here, we have a speaker and then we have an open stage. We have some performances for you. I want to announce that the 6 o'clock dinner time is a new thing going on which is the Worcester Historical Society is doing a fundraiser. So they provide in the food. Some folks have reservations for their food. They'll go up first. And if you don't, there is more food than reservations so you can also get in line and have something to eat also and pay for it. So that is all out of the way. Give a hand to my dad for putting the festival together. And Elizabeth, of course, and all of you organizing. And there is a Carolyn festival committee that works together all year long. So let's give the committee a hand as well. Now, one of our local treasures, Art Edelstein, back in 2001, wrote this book and it was published Bare Melodies. And it is Terlach Carolyn and Irish Harper. And Art is one of the folks who really has brought Carolyn here to the forefront, not only here in Central Vermont, but also just in the broader, along with my dad and a lot of other folks just bringing this music right to the forefront. Dominic Dodge, everybody here. And Art was ahead of the wave on that, I think. So why don't we give up this stage to Art Edelstein also in the book is and it's for sale here, a CD of his wonderful guitar playing along with a harpist named Tim Newcomb. So, thank you so much. And here's Art. Hello. My banjo playing buddy over here, you know. Making sure that my dulcet Brooklyn accented tones come through. Right? I have a prepared talk. I don't know if I'll use much of it because I tend to be one of these people who as the thought hits, but this is the 30th 30 years ago I had essentially on this date just been home from a trip to Ireland of three weeks where I had taken several cameras a whole suitcase load of film and had gone to photograph Carolyn's Ireland which I thought in my dreams of fame and fortune I would make into a lovely coffee table book of literature and photos of Ireland. Needless to say if you do get the book or whatever you'll find three pictures one on the back and a much younger art Edelstein with hair on the front on the back of the book. Yes, this came out in 2001 and it didn't just get published like that. Let me tell you research in those days before heavy-duty internet was not easy. But since I started looking into the music and I'm saying Carolyn and that's because he would have said Carolyn not oh Carolyn by the way okay so as I look around the room I see some familiar faces but I don't see as many folks I mean John for sure Mr. Paul over there so a lot of you I suspect are somewhat new to both the festival and maybe Carolyn's music which is good as a matter of fact and so we've seen a resurgence of Carolyn's music and interest in Carolyn since those hazy days of the early 1990s when I started on this journey to get into the music Elizabeth asked me to talk about a little bit I think more of the process here of how I got into this than just the life and the reason is there are many ways that you can learn about Carolyn. Yes you can buy the book there's also Donald O'Sullivan's book The Life and Times of an Irish Harper which was the first biography of Carolyn and I used it extensively in my research I'm not only a historian by education I'm also a journalist and that is not the most journalistically written biography it was probably researched in the 30s and 40s and he was an academic I'm pretty sure and so it's a little stiff let's put it that way so when my quest was to find out about Carolyn after getting what happened was I played the music and on guitar primarily and I was playing with some friends we were playing tunes like John Irwin and George Brabazon and Shabeg Shemour now most of the time if you follow Irish music you know that there's no author right no composer it's Morrison's jig maybe it's by Morrison or whatever but this one had a specific composer and I said whoa this is interesting so I said I'll go and I'll look up get a couple of books on him and you know read up on so I know who's music I'm playing well there wasn't much except for the O'Sullivan biography which I had to get for Maine by the way and I found a couple of harp journals from Ireland primarily so I didn't have a lot to go on and I went to Ireland because I wanted a visual of where this man had lived and as we know many of the tunes are for patrons I've written in honor of them and I must tell you that's a good way to make a little extra coin in those days is to write a tune for a rich patron who you hope then will reciprocate with a couple of shillings or more or gifts or whatever because Caroline is a survivor he's not a dilettante he's had he not been blinded he probably would have been just worked at the forge which is where his father what his father did so here's an instance of debilitating illness which is smallpox which makes him blind turns into his way of making his way in the world so what I saw when I went to Ireland was that many of the places that you would think would be famous beautiful houses of the rich in Ireland were frankly dumps and that's primarily because it's a long time ago I mean this is the two he's been gone for 285 years alright so in the late 1600s and early 1700s these would have been pretty nice houses but by 1993 most of the people who lived in these houses were poor farmers so I was kind of shocked at what I saw and it kind of had an effect on me of trying to understand recreating from something that was very not really what I expected to see but over the years of collecting information and listening to music which by the way when I started now you can go I mean I have a discography and you can find those CDs or you can look online you can type it you can Google O'Carillon and you'll get pages of books pages of books whole lists of CDs you can go on Spotify I wonder what O'Carillon will find YouTube music Apple music he's everywhere well there was almost no internet in 1993 and there were not a lot of recordings the first one with Cown's music is Sean O'Reeter and Kulturi Kulan it's the music of the nobles 1967 on Gayle Lynn records an LP remember those and then there's a couple by Derek Bell who was the harper and a keyboard I believe he played with the chieftains and he's in the book by the way I interviewed him for it and then we have Patrick Ball how many of you have heard of Patrick well of course you have Patrick Ball who is a Californian who really did a lot to I think get this music going as a matter of fact there was a review of an album by Patrick Ball that I read in some music publication that got me to go that's it so I'm a journalist I'm looking for a book project and this obscure Irish composer starts invading my psyche here so that's why that's why I got into it and that's why I went and did as much research as I could do with the limited resources first of all I don't speak Gaelic and I don't read Gaelic so that cuts out a lot of material from the early 1700s in Ireland and so I didn't have a lot to go on except a couple of substantial books of history and then O'Sullivan what I try to do and if you're interested there are several copies of Fair Melodies which by the way the title of the book comes from an editor at Acoustic Guitar magazine I submitted an arrangement of George Brabazon for Acoustic Guitar and by the way in a strange tuning Open G tuning and she gave the title Fair Melodies music by Turley Carroll and that's how I got the title for the book I said yeah that works for me so you have the benefit even if you're just jumping on the Carroll train how many of you were new to this music a couple of you yeah it doesn't sound like Planksty music by the way Planksty which is an Irish band from the 70s so Planksty I see listings of the tunes and Planksty this and Planksty that and I've heard people say this and that Planksty is just a jumble sounds it doesn't mean anything by the way as far as my research could go on that so we're very lucky the Carroll train really moved along fast especially starting in the 90s my wife and I in a disagreement I said it took until maybe 95-96 a fair amount of music you know how things snowball especially in the world of music and as more and more CDs and more and more internet more and more musicians here you are here I am we get into this it's different it's not the jigs and reels of the Planksty name whatever Irish band you want at the point this year two of my music friends Steve Baufman out in California an incredible guitarist did a whole album of Carroll and Music and Simon Mayer an off the off the wall mandolin player I mean he's just gorgeous from England did a Carroll and Album and he explores it almost gets into a I want to say a jazzish mode improv along with the melody because he plays mandolin, fiddle, guitar mandola you name it they're still going these so it's moving along it's at a level now of sustainability on its own that is the music which is essentially what we're here for to listen to the music if I can if I I mean keep going or one more minute one more minute alright see I wrote all this stuff out and I didn't need any of it this is the intro who knew so we're there your job as audience and as musician is to seek this out there's all sorts of music I just saw the other day I don't know if you're familiar with bandcamp.com there's a guitar player now who's just released a new album on Bandcamp that I saw for the first time it's everywhere much of it stays to the kind of the traditional sound but they're moving off into a variety of areas here before I forget so I will use this to make sure I get this right we want to it's too bad if anybody here for the first time at this festival it's too bad that it did rain today it's good that they had the foresight John and Fran and Elizabeth to say we're not going to do this outside but you missed a wonderful very Vermont thing which is outdoor concerts and it was a lovely thing and they had Sunshine for how many of the years 14 years or something they put it on 13 this is the 14th year I wasn't sure it started in 2007 I was one of the originals along with John and Fran and they set it up to be on their anniversary essentially so you you missed that but it's we really have John where is Fran she's oh I see thank you John well the Mallories for providing space and Elizabeth Schwartz who's over there who I must the woman is so organized it's the most how organized she is and I have to tell you and then I will basically be done but I wanted to say I've performed locally at restaurants and stuff playing a lot of Carolyn music and you know people eat mostly at those events I never had a groupie until I met Elizabeth who like fell in love with the music and you know something to do with getting her interest in it but that was pretty amazing so to leave you I want to say that although this festival is as at its end I think you've made friends among with you know people you never would have met any other way probably from different states we have folks here from New Hamster sorry New Hampshire and other parts of I assume New England Quebec right well there's the folks I just met today from Montreal with a woman with a very nice voice etc so you've made friends you probably have learned a whole lot your musicianship if you've been doing this for a while it's probably going just like that and we have to thank and obscure Irish blind Irish traveling musician who I'm sure if there is a heaven I'm a skeptic if there is a heaven is saying whoa what happened here so with that I want to just thank again the Mallory's Elizabeth and all of you wonderful people who have come to these festivals and are hopefully to carry on the tradition with you so with that I will bid you a fond adieu thank you Art, Art Edelstein everybody fair melodies if you buy it now you can get an autograph uh huh uh huh so we have here on this clipboard the next round of performances and so buckle your seatbelts first on our list we have are you ready Yazzie and Lulee, Zygner and we are missing the third the uh the brother who has moved to Hawaii remind me of his name Oliver is in Hawaii so you could just do with that what you want oh it is on there we go yeah it's great to be back at the festival um thank you Elizabeth invites us to come every year and we are always delighted to come and usually yes we are here with our brother but he has deserted us for warmer climate um we are going to play for you a piece that we learned a few years ago for the O'Carrollen festival so you may have heard us play it before and it's been in my head all these years as O'Carrollen's rambles through casual but then I looked it up recently and it's actually O'Carrollen's ramble only one ramble two casual not through casual so O'Carrollen's ramble two casual it's a beautiful minor kind of rambling piece of course um so here you go O'Carrollen's rambles to casual check check oh thank you and next Andrea are you ready one of our long time O'Carrollen uh not only uh players but also teachers and dance uh instructors uh bringing something very special today so it is really nice honestly to see all these faces again folks that it's it's been a few years so welcome back to the O'Carrollen festival and um Andrea is on her way up after Mary will be uh Bob and Mary Paul okay thank you I'm going to take a minute in this gap to say um that uh we're working very hard on having uh further Carolina festivals around the northeast region um we're hoping that we can arrange at least one of them in the upper valley of New Hampshire um which may change the the Vermont flavor a little bit but we think we belong here too sorry for the delay we don't have much because some people had to leave um this was a suggestion that Elizabeth came up with and I'm helping with I just want to be sure someone is still here this is a tribute to someone who's new this year and um at the workshop this was a tune that I learned it was a tune suggested by Elizabeth so we need to have the person here here to do that I have a little lift in I'm really I'm hot oh maybe it's still on a chair back here are you joining us on this also are you joining us on this do you have your heart alright okay this better be good right after all of this are we ready whoops someone else who gets really hot these little neck fans are wonderful they blow up on upward run on a battery and I'm always very hot so this will get me through the concert quite nicely oh we need you to be visible okay I'll be visible this is to welcome you to um the carolin festival the young players you're working with and the various folk things you do and I understand your father's name is John is that correct so this morning or whoops early afternoon in the workshop that I had there were 25 to 30 players and we um we learned the landlady and John Drury second year I knew that um the first year was played quite a lot the second year is not even in the festival book yet but maybe this will bump it up a notch so Elizabeth and I thought that would be a nice tribute to welcome you um they probably had 20 minutes or so to learn it so um and some of the group already had to leave unfortunately but here we are twice through one two three one two three and the audience either didn't have instruments or were quite sure they were ready to do this but maybe another year um yes I'm I'm usually solo because I'm coming up from Boston and seems like a long way to go although we play a lot of carolin down there um and this year I'd hoped to have guitar but that didn't quite work out so I'm on my own and according to my checking in with Elizabeth I believe a couple of these tunes have never been played here so this is um this is a debut and I actually could use some water too if anyone could bring me if I may real quick I just want to thank you for playing that and this has been a treat for me I grew up not very far from here and um my father John Drury and my mom Martha Pellerin um were both in family bands and I was really nice to see Kenrick and Grant and Art who played music in my kitchen when I was growing up and are all part of really forming a part of who I am and inspiring me to continue to play traditional music so it's been very sweet to reconnect with you guys and be here today and hear you all play and dance for having me hopefully I can sound as good as the students I had today I'm recovering still from some hand surgery so this tune is called William Ward and um I know in Art Edelstein's book he listed all the possible recordings he could find of various tunes and two of these either have never been recorded or maybe one person had recorded it at the time this one is called William Ward and my grandmother was Lula May Ward so I thought someday I should learn a war tune so this is it and it sounds better on a wooden flute but I can't get the holes covered right now no the hot baby and it's still going on so I have my band this next one I think someone mentioned before in talking about Carolyn's Welcome there are a bunch of Carolyn tunes that don't actually have a title if they did we don't know who they might have been written for or why so this is one of the numbered ones and I believe those are not played much either and it's perfect for this hot day because it's about a winter day I was hoping that would cool me off I'm thinking of the rain falling softly on your fields in Ireland but this is snow falling softly I only knew it as number 176 and a few months ago I heard it on a recording by a quadriga concert Renaissance music and it was called Music for a Cold Winter Day number 176, Carolyn so I think it evokes kind of a quiet the snow coming down and there's a cozy fire in the fireplace this one is another William Ward was the first one I played and this is another one that struck my fancy and I realized barely recorded barely played and it's a lovely tune and so this is William Echols that's one of the few E's to be in the directory of alphabetical listings here is one I think played once here Captain Higgins who also happens to be a William or happen to be a William so three Williams and I know Dominique played two William Davis's that was a different one because one William Davis was a really nice guy and the other one wasn't at all I have no idea how all of my Williams were but anyway this is Captain Higgins and at the end everyone's tunes he's added on a jig that's almost like an ending or a coda to the tune so that's what happens at the end of this Andrea Maury and next up we have on the Hammer Delcimer this is Bob Paul let's give a hand to Bob I don't think I remember a Carolyn festival that I didn't see Bob and Mary here so they've been here key members of the Angel Band and the CDs that that band produced are fantastic I don't think there are any on the table but I do believe that Bob and Mary can get you some so I know they're going to get me some and when Bob finishes his lovely partner Mary will come up and they'll play together okay here I am I'm going to do two tunes and then Mary's going to come join me this first tune is called Carolyn's Receipts sometimes people call it Carolyn's Receipt for Drinking one thing I found interesting about the Delcimer Hammer Delcimer is that it seems to work for Carolyn music pretty well and I tried to figure it out for a long time and then we finally figured out that it's because Carolyn played on a wire strung harp whereas people today play nylon mostly and the wire strung harp is a lot of sustain and the the low end of it, the accompaniment was therefore very sparse so that it wouldn't get too muddy so this Delcimer does the same kind of thing and so it's like well that's interesting maybe I play closer to the way he played than a lot of harp players do but we'll find out that may be just all my imagination alright the next tune is Robert Jordan one thing about Carolyn's music is it's very versatile for a lot of things and this one sounds like it's meant for a soundtrack for a western movie this is also the key of A which is kind of unusual for Carolyn music Robert Jordan so you gotta be the key that's ready for Miss Noble you gotta be ready for Miss Noble okay this is the next tune first tune is Mabel Kelly which we decided to melk it for all it's worth and see what happens just focusing on the melody alone and it's kind of like a Gregorian chant but it's kind of the old kind of harks back to old music as opposed to the Baroque and all that classical stuff this will be our last tune I'm honored to say this tune we record it and it found extended airplay on our local college radio station as a background music to a public service announcement for several years it's a pleasure to hear it Carolyn's Welcome which is got its name when the Pope John the 23rd arrived in Ireland and kissed the ground and the chieftains were there to greet him and they played this tune and ever since then it's been called Carolyn's Welcome number 171 in the O'Sullivan book two, three, one well I have one more group to introduce to you tonight and so this last tune before dinner will be performed by my dad John Mallory and Fran his lovely spouse also accompanied by Phil Kirk and Grant Orenstein okay that's John Fan and that does conclude the official performances for today so thank you so much for being here at the 14th annual Carolyn Festival so I will be hitting the road thank you so much for being here and it was so lovely to see you again


hey guys it has been the most craziest couple of weeks it really has I I've been super super busy I think in my one of my last videos I talked to you about an eye issue I was having so I've been diagnosed with dry eye I've been on some sort of a steroids for my eye my eye is a lot better but my eye was so bad for the longest time that when I was completely red bloodshot it got to the point where I couldn't even open it to see light and it would just run and run and run so it was it was just crazy so anyways it kind of helped me off from doing a little bit of a video because I felt like I looked really horrible in it not that I look great in general but I look better when I have two normal somewhat normal eyes like they are now that's not 100% improved but it's pretty good but this eye drops they put me on these steroid eye drops they're like $245 for a little tube and my insurance I have a plan you know I have a drug plan that goes along with my Medicare picked up sixty some more dollars of it that's very like 195 out of pocket that's like I think that's so insane it's is so insane and if I had time I would have looked at seeing it maybe if I could get it differently cheaper whatever but I didn't have the real time for that so anyways I took that I started to feel better but prior to all that happened or during that time frame Jay's car decided to die and it didn't really die but we knew it needed a whole lot of work wouldn't get go through inspection was really falling apart and he needed a new car he needed a better car so we started on this journey to purchase a car and I'm going to share some of those clips with you right now so we are like a herd of turtles and what I hope is not a wild what do you call it a wild goose chase it's gonna be a wild goose chase just might be going on a car hunt and he has an appointment then after we made the appointment the car disappeared from the dealer's website yeah so they know we're coming up there to discuss this particular car however it is now not on the dealer's website that tells me something we're gonna be a big bait and switch and we hope we walk away and they're gonna say oh it's just got sold five minutes ago and we'll say well how did you get it off your website over an hour ago and why are we stupid enough to still go up there you never know so we are not the proud owners of a new vehicle right any yeah but the vehicle was there they held it for us and that's why it wasn't on the website surprisingly we've no experience what was that a car fax car max car so it was the first time we've had an experience with them and when you inquire apparently they do take it off the website and put it on hold my makeup is all over my mask so that was really kind of interesting but we did not buy anything the the one we looked at was a little bit above our budget and car max that they don't negotiate we don't find something else yeah we'll keep looking and we didn't have to buy a car today but I went to Macy's I went to Macy's I wanted a puffer coat and I wanted to come up one of those really collapsible they're a super warm but they're they're puffy but they collapse way down and they're just really comfortable driving I always feel so constrained in my coat heavy I would rather wear a cape because I like the looser feeling and you know not being zippered in like an Eskimo coat and the nice thing is that I had a gift certificate from a year ago that had enough balance on it so I was able to pay the coat and I got a head muff and like a ear muff whatever you call them like so yeah now I'm all set for a winter adventure we'll have to go up north this weekend so we didn't buy a vehicle yesterday so we are here today Toyota yeah Toyota Nashua and we're looking at a Jeep Grand Cherokee I thought it was an overland we're looking at the Toyota dealership the Jeep Grand Cherokee we're looking at a great great great Jeep okay grand Cherokee overland see I knew there was an overland see I knew that men anyways that's what we're doing on this New Year's Day like I heard of turtles in Jay's new wheels what are we gonna call this one I'm gonna have to come up with something a mini Jalupa yeah gonna it's the golf mobile maybe I don't know but we're on oh my gosh you had to stop and take a picture of his Jeep holy moly over yonder behind those boats is the Seabrook power plant you probably all heard about that how's the ride honey bun beautiful you're loving it yeah it's really comfortable I don't feel sore or tired you know well you just sitting there why would you be so tired driving talking about being comfortable you know so pretty here huh I know huh Perkins cove no people around but us the man behind me and it seems so weird that we're here wearing masks had no issue parking that's what this thing means six feet apart no stores are open so yeah so I'm not buying anything oh look at the sign on them on the bathrooms they painted masks on the people so you'd know men's room women's room nobody's here so we are in Kenny bunkport main and over there is President Bush's compound and what a gorgeous gorgeous setting this is gorgeous gorgeous setting so we really had a great time we drove all around we never got to Portland headlight but we did go to Nubba light and then superimposed some pictures we just had a wonderful day he's super thrilled with his his a Jeep his new Jeep his car purchase and it's kind of funny you know we started out used we started out wanting to a certain budget then we started out wanting a little bit more because we went a better car we wanted a newer car and then we ended up brand spanking new 2021 update on my nails and I started talking about this in a couple of videos ago the Sally Hansen and I know a lot of people are doing the press on nails and different nails and all that I just really didn't want to go to the fake nail roots yet and I didn't want to go back to the salon and spend for a fortune on that I was really surprised how these have been holding up they have actually been amazing to the point where every time I go in a store I look at the colors just to see this what I have on I don't know if it's gonna pick up but these are four days old you know it's four days ago when I did these I just absolutely love how this has been holding up it's been super super amazing key thing for me is I just make sure my nails are not greasy they're super clean I've already done you know the nail polish remover I've taken any soap on and then I do step one which is the color I wait a good five minutes in between put the second coat if I'm gonna do a second coat and the second coat doesn't have to be the same color like for example I have these glitter glitter that's the second coat on the glitter just put it right on top of the color and it works perfect and then you let it dry and then the next thing you know is you're gonna put the top coat on which is the step number two and I have the clear gloss because I really like that and you can buy these on sale sometimes Walgreens sometimes you buy one get the other half off whatever it is sometimes you have some really good sales on them so I've been playing around with my eye shadow we've been trying to do different things but I have not wanting I don't want to buy any new palettes I'm going to use up the palettes I have and I do like and I have used for a long long time and this wet and wild and this is the cream brulee so last time I tried to find the wet and wild cream brulee I could not find it anywhere and I went into all the stores I just could not find it anywhere I could and I found it in Amazon and it was higher in price than I thought it should be for wet and wild and then I ended up finding it in eBay and in eBay I got a really good deal I think I got like three of them this is the cream brulee the wet and wild cream brulee compared to the regular wet and wild brulee but this is the regular wet and wild brulee the number on this is C348A and on the cream brulee the number is C251B the formula is different on the cream brulee than the brulee so everyone says to me Monica what are you talking about you can't find cream brulee well they can find the brulee but what they're not finding is the cream brulee so the consistency is different the design is different I think the color is pretty close to being the same although I think there's a slight variation in the color on the cream brulee but I use this as my all-over and what really bothers me is some of the palettes I have in love like for example my busy art liaison this one I use a lot they really don't have an all-over color that I like a lot of my palettes don't have an all-over color like I want it to be really light and I want to go from my movable lid up to my brow bone and I find that the lightest one in this is too dark so I'm always finding that I have to have something extra and I've tried a number of different products but I just keep coming back to my a wet and wild cream brulee as my favorite but the other thing that I'm like so excited about many of you probably know and you probably have watched Peaches skincare Lisa from Peaches skincare she's right here on YouTube she's absolutely amazing she really believes in natural skincare she really believes in taking care of yourself naturally and she has the most beautiful thick long dark hair she's letting it go gray and she embraces the aging process and I know I say anti-aging well it's not so much that I'm against it I just want to slow it down anyways she embraces a very holistic natural approach with clean products but a product line is amazing and when you think about if you want to jump on and do one skincare line she's get you covered one of the things that she's always talked about is that cleansers do matter and that's been something that I have never ever been on a bandwagon with never because I just figured you're gonna wash it right off and actually she says that in some of her videos the attitude if you just gonna wash it off so I was like ah yeah yeah I'll still go buy my cheap cleanser I'll go do something that I'm just gonna wash it off as long as it gets my face clean I couldn't have been more wrong and now I'll tell you I have not used any of her products long enough to give you a thorough thorough look see but I could not be more wrong with the attitude of how clean a cleanser gets your skin so I've been using the classic face cleanser the smell is beautiful I I mean I think I would just like to use this all the time because I love the smell when I open it up I don't even know how to describe it but it is a it's not a perfume me it's not a it's a natural clean scent I just really really love it it does have like sicilic acid lactic acid glycolic acid it has all sorts of different citrus and that's the smell that I pick up on is the citrus anyways we were talking back and forth and she said you know I'll send you some of our products she's not I don't want you to feel committed I don't need you you know I don't want you feel like you have to you know talk about them up I'll send them to you and I said okay sure but it was a little hesitant because she's very natural very into clean and I always think that you know the clean beauty natural beauty I always think it's more money and you know the affordability factor and then I really started to think about it if this product if this cleanser which is I'm gonna say maybe in low 30s if this product lasts a long time if I could get four months out of this bottle and what I'm gonna do I'm going to date it on the bottom when I started to use it which was yesterday the 24th and I want to see how long it lasts me arrived this week whole package arrived this week and I couldn't be more excited about it I really number one I love supporting youtubers that you know especially locally owned and especially women-owned businesses as much as I can I love to support people like that at this point in time this would definitely be a purchase for me the other thing that I used after I cleansed I did use her exfoliation and the exfoliation is flawless exfoliation so I use this love it it is it is like when you put it on it's a dark and it has very tiny like little beads coffeeish maybe I don't know but it's a gentle gentle exfoliation that that you could use more than once a week you can use this I think probably twice a day but I'm not an expert at it so I'm in a default to whatever Lisa's directions are on it but I used it last night I used it this morning and I love how clean it made my face and the other thing I have used is her ACV toner this has vinegar in it and you can you can I kind of smell a little bit of that citrus vinegar when I first put this on my face now they said put this on your face totally clean toner and I put it you know I'm working on my pores my pores on my nose horrible so I've been working on that and I put this all over my face and I could feel initially a little bit of a tingly but it dissipated really quick so I thought this was really awesome the other products that she sent me and she sent me quite a few products complimentary she sent me her vitamin C and this is a fresh squeezed C I haven't used it yet and her classic moisturizer have not used that yet and her eye cream and she also sent a miracle mask so she sent me seven products and I think she has a few more but I think might have been a retinol because I did say I use retin A I'm not gonna stop using retin A so I am going to incorporate Lisa's skincare line now I am in the middle of using a product that I'm gonna finish out my review on that but and then I'm gonna start the whole complete line and this is all I'm going to use other than my retin A so I will definitely report back that was sent to be complimentary from Lisa the next thing I'm gonna share with you is product that I bought so it is cold it is cold freezing but I have my special hat special scarf that was knitted especially for me from Francis I think her knitting name is Nora Knits but I kind of know her from happiness sparkles so you know what I actually wear a lot of ear buffs I have as you saw in some of the car clips I have these little black ones this black one with little pearls in it that I really really like and this is what I wear I wear this more than I would wear a knit hat but there are times when you need a knit hat so I absolutely love the fact that I have a royal blue knit hat a scarf and then I can wear it with my black puffer coat I think it's awesome that's sort of my update my eye is doing better I love the hats that Francis sent me absolutely love them I have a pair of Wendy's earrings on my life with Wendy who I have bought a number of earrings anyways I hope you kind of enjoy this mishmash of chit chat car buying hat buying earmuff buying a little bit of this a little bit of that and I appreciate every single one of you thank you so much please be sure to 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