This is Think Tech Kauai, Community Matters here. Aloha and how you doing? Welcome to another exciting and thrilling episode of Hibachi Talk. Gardo the techs out here, good old buddy, Andrew the security guy. Everybody, aloha. Please grab yourself a chair, pull up a libation and join us or we meet lovely Ann Weber. She's here. She's from co-working. She's a co-working community manager at Impact. You got it, I got it. Almost said hello again. Yeah, you got three that. Mental, mentally. Look at our new background. So we have a hammock. We're talking about work, but we have a hammock. I don't know what you think. I'm ready for it. Balance, balance. We're quite a balance, quite a balance. Yeah, John Connolly was the guy that did this photograph. And we're ready to get it for free. All I have to do is say his name. So how's that? Say it again. John Connolly. Can we get another picture now? Yeah, I'll check it out, check it out with him. So anyway, so that's all I had to do. Anyway, co-working. We'll find out about that in a minute, but let's find out a little bit about yourself. So tell us about yourself, Ann. Where'd you go to school? Where'd you grow up? Yeah, I grew up in Los Angeles. I've been out here for four and a half years. I went to Loyola Marymount University for college. So I stayed out in Los Angeles and then had the opportunity to move out to Hawaii. And I taught third grade for four years. Wow. In Hawaii night. Oh, at Hawaii night. Yeah. And I'm the only girl out at Hawaii night. Yeah, yeah, I loved it. I loved it. It was good and great. I just wish the pay was better. Oh yeah, well, welcome to the state of Hawaii. Yeah, yeah. So I saw this gap. Educators aren't talking to business people enough. And how are we going to build that community? So that's what drew me to Impact Hub originally. So Impact Hub is a franchise or it's a standalone? So how does that work? So it's part of an association of 102 Impact Hubs globally. So every member has access to each Impact Hub around the world for at least three days. But we're not a franchise. So it's a brain trust, basically. We have some branding assets that we pull together. And we have some calls where we can talk about programming and figure out best practices together. But other than that, they're operated independently. So explain to me what an Impact Hub is. So what is that? So it's a co-working community and event space, specializing in building community around an Impact Focus area. So each Impact Hub around the world has their own focus area. So Oakland does houselessness. Los Angeles focuses on water rights. And Honolulu is focusing on education and sustainability. Oh, see, I didn't know that. I say, for some reason, I just thought it was a bunch of tech startup guys and girls. They got together and tried to start up some kind of business. Yeah, and it is that. It's absolutely. And it's equal opportunity, so we don't restrict our membership based on those two industries. We see the value in getting lots of businesses together and learning about those two issues as well. So if I want to, if I've got a business, which I do, and I need a space to hang my hat, Impact Hub Honolulu is a place where I could actually go and say I want a desk, an office. How does that work? We have all of the above. So you can get your mail there. That's your, can be your registered, is there a phone line there? Or is it on mobile? It's all mobile, but you could get a hard line IP address in. So then you could have VoIP coming in. We have different options. So co-working, which is you see any available seat, you're allowed to work there. The Wi-Fi is free and included. There's designated desks. So it's your desk, nobody else can work there. So you don't have to worry about, I want that spot by the window.  You also have a file cabinet so that you can lock stuff up. The next step up from that is the office spaces. How many are there? We have 27. Wow, 27 offices? 25 are full. So there's two left and they're not finished yet. Are they like weekly, annually? Monthly. Also you can get an office for a month, okay. So it's month to month and then the desk space can be by the hour or by the day. Or what's the minimal kind of thing we get? So we have a starter membership, which is two days a month for $30. And any additional day you want on top of that is $10. So I could go there twice a month for $30. So those are days you just plan to work in town, see clients in town. So you come to town and I see. That's not a bad deal. Oh yeah, so there's meeting space as well. Is there video conferencing? Yeah, so we have video conferencing capability, three different size meeting rooms and any of the AV needs. VTC alone is good to have. You know how many people have that? No, that's probably a value add. So there's an extra charge to use those? No, it's included in the meeting room price. It's included in, oh, so there's a meeting room, okay, there's a meeting room price. There is, so members get them at 40% off.  And the small meeting room gets you four hours a month. Included. So you pay so how much, how much for four hours a month? The meeting room price. So if you have an unlimited membership, then that's $215 a month. That's 24 seven access to the space. You can sit at any open seat and you get the four hours a month. Wow, for 200 and change a month. Well, can you do that? VTC alone is really good. I mean, a lot of people just do Skype, it's not very professional. We're doing video conferencing amongst people. That's a powerful benefit right there. Yeah, but I'm just looking at office space. Take a look. Yeah. Office space of $215 a month. You said 24 by seven, unlimited usage, and I got my own desk? As long as there's one empty. That's open. As long as there's an open desk, I, that's. That's unlimited. So that's different than the two days, so that's unlimited. So anytime you want to stop in long as there's a desk space, you can have it and you can, and you schedule the conference rooms, obviously. Yeah, and it's all bookable through our app. So you can see which ones are open and you can book them in 15 minute increments. So if you just need to pop it in. Oh, wow. Wow. I just love it. It's like it's good for business. This is like Uber, this is like an Uber office space. Yeah, it's on demand. Does the subscription transfer across or if I'm in Paris or wherever, there's another one. I can just, my time and stuff applies there as well. Yeah, so it's called Impact Hub Passport. And at every Impact Hub, there's 102 worldwide, you have at least three days of access. Wow. Some are more generous. So it's like reciprocal. It's like a reciprocal. Like a collective. So if I go to San Francisco or I've gone to coworking, notice I didn't say colo, coworking spaces in California. And it's been terrific because if you're downtown and you need some place to hang your hat, and I'm not in a member, I just paid, I forget, it was like 15 bucks for two or three hours. It's far better than Starbucks. It was, I'm not a lot of neat people as well. So, but with the, Is there coffee machine? Yes, free coffee for members. Free coffee? Free coffee? That's it, they speak. Okay, what kind of coffee is it? Little cups or is it that? No, it's good organic coffee. No K-cups because we're trying to be sustainable. So it's, we have a nice coffee maker. You can crop your milk if you want. Who wakes the coffee? Oh, you make them yourself. You make your own. This is, someone comes early in the morning. Well, no, our hosts make the coffee. Really? But if you are there 24 seven and you want your two AM cup of coffee, then you're welcome to make it. Wow. And hostesses who are managing the space and so on. So how much space do you have? I mean, this is, Yeah, it's 14,000 square feet. So it's quite large. It's the largest co-working space in the space. There's 40,000 square feet in an acre. So you're looking at a quarter of an acre. Yeah, we got a little quarter acre in Cacaaco. Where was it? What was it before? It was the World Gym. Oh, okay. Oh, the World Gym in Cacaaco. Yeah. On Clean Street. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's big. What about parking? It's 50 cents an hour in-house and there's plenty of parking available. Parking all around the streets and so on, I mean. You know, that's a great location with all those condos coming up and everybody, you know, that all the millennials going into the condos and things like that.  So since we're finishing the space right now, the co-working is available. People are using the space. We have over a hundred members, currently. Wow. The offices are reserved, but they're not done yet. Sure. We're waiting on some materials to come in. So that's what we're focusing on right now and then we'll really push for programming. So how's the mind, how's the mind shares? Do people meet people and sit around? What are you working on? What am I working on? If you're focused on, is it education or education transfer or just anything around? Yeah, so it's, I mean, right now it's anyone with any business issues. They're free to collaborate with anyone sitting near them. So, you know, we're sitting at a table. You might do digital marketing and I might have a product that I'm trying to figure out how do I access this market better. You have that collaboration and it happens organically and our hosts are there also to make sure that the right people are meeting the right people. Yeah, that's so interesting. And do people have a, is there a, hey, we have a new member. Do you get a two minute pitch or two hours in the room or something or how does that work? Yeah, so on our blog, we do quick interviews of every single member. We're still building our bank because we did expand quite quickly. So you'll have that blog space. We also have a searchable directory. So you can put up your bio and that bio is searchable and so you can find whatever it is that you're looking for. As part of the Impact Hub global partnership, there's, they have their own social network called HubNet. So then you have access to over 15,000 members globally. Wow. Wow. That is neat. I love the concept. I love the coolest thing. Has it been Hawaii for a while and you just got a bigger space or? No, so we started as Proto Hub as kind of a prototype to the idea while we went through the Impact Hub approval process. So we were Proto Hub on Kyave in Kakaako for one year, had over 300 programs, 160 members and figured out, yeah, this will work here. Well, especially here, because everything's so expensive. So I mean, it's a great, especially now I got a lot of work at home. There's how many 50,000 small businesses in Hawaii. So everybody, everybody could use a, what's the zip code, the Bishop Street zip code? Everybody would like to have a zip code on Bishop Street. 17 or whatever, yeah. Got to have it downtown. So, you know, when the one was on Kyave, was that the one that was on the Makai side, that was on the ocean side? Or was that Box Jelly? Yeah, that's Box Jelly. That was Box Jelly. Okay. Are you guys cloppetition, competing? Yeah, we actually meet once a month to figure out ways that we can elevate co-working. Because a lot of it is it's education. People don't know what it is. They hear this word and they think like, oh, we have to work together somehow. Or they just don't understand that this is accessible.  And, you know, just all of the issues that go along with that. You have a professional space with a community of people who are also working hard on their small businesses and all of the amenities that you'd need and programming built around your needs as well. Well, this is cool. This is cool. Well, guess what? We've already been through half the program. Wow. So, I know, it goes quick. So, we're gonna take a short break and we're gonna pay some bills and you haven't met Angus yet. No. It's a rare, wonderful treat. Anyway, so Angus will be back. He's gonna talk about some new venture he's getting into. Maybe he can get some space down at your co-working facility. Yeah. All right, so we will be back with Ann Weber and we'll talk about Impact Hub after about a minute break. This is Think Tech Hawaii, Raising Public Awareness. Match Day is no ordinary day. The pitch, hallowed ground for players and supporters alike. Excitement builds. Game plans are made with responsibility in mind. Celebrations are underway. Ready for kickoff. MLS clubs and our supporters rise to the challenge. We make responsible decisions while we cheer on our heroes and toast their success. Elevate your Match Day experience. If you drink, never drive. Freedom, is it a feeling? Is it a place? 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So if you're a consumer and you're not really sure what to do about your home computer or your network savviness, check out one of those free things that are going on at libraries and malls and all kinds of places around town across all islands. So get out there and check it out Cyber Security Awareness Month. So up your game. All right Angus, what's going on buddy? Good to see you man. Hey, good to see you man. Hey, good to see you. Did you see Ann?  Gigi Lassi. You didn't even know Bob Lassi. You didn't even smile, you just said Gigi in the head. I think it's like an impact hub got in my head. I'm an impact kind of hub. I got it together. It's an impact in my heart. Yeah, I got a new venture I'm working in. Yeah, I've got gadgets and all kinds of things, but I'm getting into the ATM business. Okay. The Bitcoin ATM. Oh awesome. Yeah, so I'm working on it with this company called General Bytes. They make the largest producer of Bitcoin ATMs in the world. Wow. And we didn't have any here in Hawaii yet because they didn't shut down our exchanges or something. Oh no, we got another way to add. My exchange is out of Scotland, so we don't have to worry about it yet. Oh, are you shutting down? No, I'm not going to happen. Anyway, they got close to 800 ATMs in about 37 countries. Okay. So they're going to be bringing it in because one of my favorite coins they're going to have in it. What? The same Bitcoin. Potcoin. Potcoin. There's a new coin coming up called Potcoin. And the Potcoin is out there because you can't have put the cash in the local banks. It's still a federal offense to have Potcoin. Oh, get it. So you can buy Potcoin. So this is happening all over the country. So it's a $100 billion Potcoin market. Holy cow. Holy cow. Right now, Potcoin sells for six cents. You're going to be richer than you were. Yeah, I always keep my money. I still get the same Bitcoin I made 100 years ago. And so here's my new venture. So watch out for the Bitcoin ATMs around two. You'll see them real soon. Right on. All righty. Anyway, make a statement.  Hello. Ha. Nice. So Angus is getting the Bitcoin ATM business people so you know where to cash your money in. Get on down there and check it out. Let us know where that's going to be located when it gets here. There'll be a few of them around. And we're back with Han-Rever from, what's it called, a whole big five? Yeah. Impact Hub. Impact Hub, sorry. Impact Hub, all of you. Yeah, they share a nice load. I think I have a picture of your campus. Do you call it a campus? Yeah. It's 14,000 square feet. It's a lot of space. So I took a picture from your website. Is this yours or someone else's? That's ours. That's yours? Yeah, it's beautiful. That's awesome. That is really, really cool. I think it's, what and where is co-working? That's what I said, what and where is co-working? If we get a Hibachi talk office, so then there's two and a third of us. Because Angus likes to, there's just him and we're just hangers on him. Look at what it is, but we're going to his bank. So how does that work? Look at him at this bank.  Yeah, so each office comes with one unlimited membership. So one person can have 24-7 access. And then each additional person that uses the office just needs to get a membership of their own. So however that works. Whichever type they would want. Maybe they only get the two or four hours or whatever. So what's a membership, like your Gold's Gym membership? Is it an annual membership?  Oh, it's monthly as well. So everything is month to month. It's meant to be very flexible so that you can scale your business quickly if you need to take on other employees or... Do you accept Bitcoin for payment? Um, no, not yet. There's your question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then your ATM will really fly down there. Yeah, if you use, there's a couple of software packages now that will accept, QuickBooks as a matter of fact, will accept Bitcoin as a form of payment. Sure. You do, it's actually, it's a five-minute setup to accept Bitcoin as a form of payment. And then Angus will definitely be right there on you. Okay, but help me understand this. So if I've got a company, let's say I'm a one-person show, but let's say we've got a company like Andrews who's got 20 people and so on. And he needed a space down 350 Queen Street. 1050. 1050 Queen Street, 1050 Queen Street. So how would he do something like that where any of his 20 or whatever could drop in and use a particular office or space or desk or whatever? Yeah, so probably the best way would be to start a team membership. And that way all of the billing is centralized so you don't need to worry about having a whole bunch of cards hanging around. It's all on one place. And then we could set up each of your members. And that's so that when people are coming in 24-7, we know who's accessing the space. We don't have to. So we would take an office and then they would also get a subscription of their own for some number of time. But that's interesting. I just think it's gotta be hyper affordable. I don't remember what I used to pay when I was on Bishop Street, I had 1132 there. That was, it's the first crazy to run down here. So to be able to have and work in town is super valuable. Parking is inexpensive. And I think the mind share thing. So I have a question. How many of your, like give us the average age of your subscribers in Honolulu? Yeah, we did a lot of surveying actually because we wanted to make sure that the message is not, this is not just for millennials. This is for everyone. This is for business. Would I be the oldest? No. Oh, okay, good. Yeah, we have. So the spread is actually quite evenly distributed. That's awesome. Up through 65 was what we just did it. I'm still older than that. You are? No way. Yeah, I'm a great grandfather. So that would give me a sense for that one. Well, then maybe. I don't know. Thank you for the compliment. But you'll have friends. Yeah, somebody you know. That's awesome though. So it was, yeah, like a third under 35, a third between 35 and 45, and then a third over that. So you're focusing on education and sustainability, but it's open to anybody that wants to come in there. But I'm hoping that the focus will be there. So what are the industries or business types that are in that space? I'm glad that you were talking about Cybersecurity Awareness Month. Hi-Tech Huey is one of our businesses. Chuck and Marie Ly. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Chuck's been on the show. Yeah, Chuck's been on the show. We're members. Also, Smart Yields, they do, they're more on the sustainability and technology side where they're trying to figure out solutions for higher-yield crops. We have Hawaii School of Meditation. We have a couple of playwrights, Huey Aloha. A lot of digital marketing. So a few entrepreneurs, DigiCamp, and Lightspace Digital. Lights on digital. But yeah, it really ranges. Web developers, probably, app developers. Wow, this is cool. Jay should get some ThinkTech help down there. He's always playing with all of our tools. Is it working or not working? It has a technical difficulties. We never got our new themes on it today. We'll get it next week. But wow, so how do you market it? How do you get the word out? Well, we talk to people. That's been a ton of time. How about you, Toxy? Yeah. This is how. A lot of word-of-mouth, because Hawaii is a tight community. You need to get out and talk story with a lot of people. And we do some Facebook ads as well, but we haven't done our really big marketing push until we're done building out the space. We wanna make sure that it's ready to go for people to get their first impression. Yeah, it does sound like you're gonna need to though. You've already, I mean, what's the capacity? What are you shooting for? 1,000 members? It depends based on the type of membership. Yeah, it's the office or the... Exactly. So we have different projections on those numbers, but probably about, well, yeah, it ranges. We have our kind of daily capacity in the space, which is somewhere around 200, so. Wow. That's a good amount of working business people. I mean, they have some great conversations. Well, I've just got an idea about a particular business that I'm working with. So, I could rent a office there for a monthly fee that would allow, if I have three people, they would become members and then we could use that space 24 by seven, 365. We need to talk. Yeah. Okay, this is maybe a better opportunity than what presently is existing with another one of my clients. So there you go. Awesome, I like it. The reason I do this show. Okay, amenities.  Take a shower. Okay, take a, I haven't quite thought about taking showers. We have showers. Wow, I bet you got bike racks, too. We do, yeah, because there's bike racks in house. We're building some surfboard storage. Because that's important. You have to have board meetings. Yeah, you do. All right, all right, all right, all right. And there's surf off cock-a-lock, I think that bad. Yeah, I have board panning. Yeah, so, well, so I get photocopy machines? Mm-hmm. Here's one, here's one.  You know, I can set you up with an app. It's free. It's fax. You can choose. You can take a picture and it'll fax it. A fax machine. I had to ask if you might not know what it is. I know I'm installing a fax machine, couple weeks ago I said, you're doing what? Yeah, we need a line for a fax machine. Who knew how? I said, where do you get fax machines? On eBay or what? Yeah, I didn't know you could get like a hard line. I said, why are you using fax machines anymore? Yes. DTMF phones?  To this day and age, they're living and dying by fax. They're doing one of them. Yeah, they're doing one of them. They're going crazy. Okay, so I've got all this. I've got a printer. So how do you get a key? I can come in and print off a hundred page document. Yeah, you could. Okay, that wouldn't seem kind of fair if I'm stealing all the paper and the ink. So, yeah, so it's donation, it's, well, it's on our system base. Okay. We have a little kitty there. Yeah. We have a black and white and 10 cents for a color copy and, you know, throw in what you use. Then throw in what you use. Okay, that's good. Because, yeah, I can see someone going in there and going like, well, it inked $30 a container or whatever it is. I'll just go down and print on my hundred page portfolio. We're not returning all those user manuals, follow-ups, construction projects.  You've got this all going out and so on. Okay, so what are we missing then?  I got coffee. I got shower. No cam fees. Is there any food? We have a cafe partner. Okay. If you need, like, bring your lunch. Yeah. So we have a break room. Okay. And we have toaster oven, microwave, fridge, space, anything you would need in that regard. And then we also have a cafe partner coming in Juicy Brew to provide ready-made stocked goods. And it's going to be kind of like an honor market. So you pay by credit card. There's only going to be a few options available. And you just take out what you want. Bitcoin. Wow, wow. Okay, we've got two minutes. That's where we can find information about, where our audience can find information about Impact Hub. Impact Hub. ImpactHubH&L.com. That's not too complicated. Okay, that's awesome. So Impact Hub, you're on Facebook. I picked up stuff on Facebook. You're on Twitter. We are. You're on Instagram. Yeah. You're, where are you not? I mean, I saw you everywhere. You're on Hibachi Talk now. You're on Hibachi Talk. Yeah. And we've got to go down to a visit. We have to come down. I'll give you a call. There should be some great stories coming out of there that you could put on Hibachi Talk too. We're always looking for, you know... And that's the other thing. Please do that. Please let people know there that our guests, as you know, we don't charge for this. So if anyone has something they want to come on this show and talk about, let us know. I'll give you a banner. You can put it up down there if it's okay with you guys. And then we think it's free. It's free 99. Anyway, no one goes unrewarded on this show. You've got number 135 in this series of autographed solo cups that you can display with great pleasure at the... Impact Hub. Impact Hub H&L. Nice. So thank you, Ann Weber. It's very, very nice to meet you. You're just a... You have a wonderful smile, by the way. Oh, thank you. I get accused of flirting with the guests. You know what I mean? Can't stop now. Anyway. I do it anyway. So anyway. So thanks so much. Do you want to say a few words for me too? All right. Dream on, little dreamer. Anyway, like we say at the end of every show, three, two, one. How are you doing?


Welcome to The Condo Insider. I'm your host, Scott Shirley, and this is a program where we talk about condominium issues, both for board members and for owners. And it's my pleasure to be doing my first hosting today. And I'd like to introduce our guests that we have with us today. I'm very pleased and honored to have her as my first guest and that's Carol Richelau, and I've probably said that wrong, who is the senior condominium specialist for the real estate branch at... At the DCCA. At the DCCA. Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs. State of Hawaii. And yes, I knew I was gonna get it wrong, but your last name is said... Richelau. Richelau, okay, and I said Richelau, I believe. You were close, thank you. I was close enough for government work. No. Oh. Well, I'm really excited about having Carol as my guest today because a lot of people, particularly condo boards, condo owners are not aware of what the condominium division does at the DCCA. And so I thought this was a perfect opportunity for somebody from there and the senior specialist, as a matter of fact, to explain to us what the condominium division is. Well, thank you, Scott. We really appreciate being invited today and being able to share the information. The real estate branch has two sections.  And then our section, which is the condominium branch. And we're basically charged with the enforcement of certain statutes. Those being Hawaii Revised Statute 514A and 514B, as well as the Hawaii Administrative Rules. Now, 514A applies to condominiums that were built before July 1st, 2006. 514B applies to condominiums built thereafter, as well as controls the governance. And the Hawaii Administrative Rules are basically meant for 514A condo projects. However, there is a really good section in there on reserves and how to handle reserves. So it's all the different requirements in there. So it's a good section to keep in mind for boards. It's interesting you bring up the fact of 514A and 514B in that 514A is prior to 2006 when they recodified the law. But just recently at the legislature this year, there was a bill that was passed. I don't know if the governor signed it yet or not. No, he's not. That will basically do away with 514A in about two years. Yes, yes, that is true. And we are keeping a close eye on it because we will have to do a major outreach effort to those folks that have condominiums that were under 514A. Fortunately, there is a safe harbor provision in the bill and we've already worked out how to handle this, but it's something that all developers, attorneys, owners of older condominiums and associations should be aware of, but we have planned a big outreach program in the event that the governor signs the bill. Okay, so you don't know if that's shown up on his veto list or it's just gonna be one of those that he'll either sign or just pass into law without his signature? I personally do not know. I know that I do check the status of it constantly. I don't doubt that. So as the real estate condominium division, you're also involved with the real estate commission in itself as well, right? Yes, yes, we are part of the real estate commission. They are a nine-member commission nominated by the governor and confirmed by the legislature, and at least two members represent the public and there are members from the other islands, as you were once upon a time our big island commissioner. Yes, I remember those days. So one of the reasons I wanted you on this program is so that you could explain some of the services that people might not be aware of that the condominium division branch offers to owners and board members and things like that. Yes, we have a condominium education trust fund which finances a lot of our programs and we have basically three main things that we do. One is the education and offer resources. We have seminars. We subsidize seminars at the moment the vendor is the Condominium Association Institute, at least nine of those a year, not only on Oahu, but where there is interest, we will go to any of the other islands and those are subsidized for condominium associations that are registered with the real estate commission. We also have online videos. We've done videos on pets and we've done videos on, it's your favorite topic. I do share a duty and we also recently did a free program for owners at the state capitol called Condorama and we also have that available online. In addition, we do quarterly bulletins which are published online of areas of interest for owners and boards and we also have an email subscription service which is kind of an update on the latest in educational opportunities or any changes in the law or events that also is available and we also are concentrating on outreach now. So we've been going to consumer fairs. We've been, you know, we've done it downtown, we've done Kapolei, we're doing one up in Windward and we're interested in doing more of the Condorama type things. Wonderful. In addition, we have a lot of publications. We have many, many brochures available online. They're for both owners and for boards. We have ones on aging, business judgment rule. We have ones on whether you even want to be a condominium. We have ones on whether you want to buy a condominium. We have ones about aging in place that are in there. Common issues, we have financial issues, all kinds of material available there as well as guides for both owners and board members. It's all available online. Not only is it available online but if you happen to go to where the office is located, did they have most of those brochures right there available as well when you first come in the board? Oh, absolutely. And when we redo their outreach, I come loaded with the box. It's like 20 or 30 different types of brochures in order to so the public can have that information. And also online, we also have FAQs. There are certain questions that are commonly asked over and over. So I think anyone that is interested in this area should look at the FAQs. I mean, one of the common ones is, well, I'm upset with the board. They painted the building green. And I don't want to pay my maintenance fee. Do I have to pay my maintenance fee? Basically, yes. Or the board asks, well, do we have to put up notices for our board meetings, for our association meetings? That's a common question. And the answer, of course, is yes to that. And other ones that come up or say, well, can the board just increase my maintenance fees? How can they do that? So there's a lot of FAQs there that I think will answer a lot of people's questions. Well, one of the things as a real estate instructor, like I do, is I often get asked, how does the real estate commission subsidize or the condominium division subsidize these seminars? And I point out to them, number one, when you get that CAI seminar flyer, usually in small print on there, it says partially subsidized by the condominium education fund. But people don't understand where that money comes from. Yeah, those are mandatory fees charged at the time of development, which we hadn't even talked about yet, as well as for associations to subsidize. It's really a minimal fee, very not painful. But it subsidizes all these educational outreach efforts that we like to make. And I remember you pointing out that a lot of the CAI Community Association Institute seminars are here on Oahu. Yes. But from time to time, they do have them on the neighbor islands. Absolutely. We'd love more participation on the neighbor islands. That's what I was going to say, is if you don't see them on the neighbor islands, that's usually because they haven't got enough signups. Right. We attempted to do two recently, but unfortunately, I guess you could say that the preregistrations were somewhat dismal, especially as far as even owners signing up. And so we really encourage people to do that. In addition, the real estate commission yearly meets on each island. Like our next meeting will be in Kona next week. And both a real estate specialist and a condominium specialist will be available at the meeting in order to assist anyone if they have questions regarding the statutes. And as a former commissioner, I remember those meetings very well, that you would have people on the neighbor islands show up for those commission meetings, not to hear what the commissioners have to say or do, but to meet with the condominium specialist afterwards because they may be having certain issues at their condo that they want to discuss. So it's an excellent opportunity when we're on neighbor islands. Right. And of course, we do have an email, which is hyrec-h-i-r-e-c at d-c-c-a dot hawaii dot gov. If anyone wants to email us questions. And in addition, we do have a condominium hotline, which is available, which is<PHONE_NUMBER>. So we have the website. We have the email. We try to go in person of a lot of different places. And we also have the condo hotline. So all those are available for us to be able to assist people. Well, and I can appreciate that because having been a commissioner, being an educator, one of the things that I feel is important is for condo owners and board members to realize that there is a governmental body out there that can help you with this information. Right. The statute sets out each owner, each board member, which is who is also an owner, have various rights and responsibilities. And it behooves being able to live together in that kind of an association area to be familiar with what are the parameters? What are my responsibilities? Now, before we get into the issues of registration and developers' public reports, can you tell me offhand about how many people you have working in that department answering phone calls and things like that? Let me see. Answering phone calls, including for the developers' public reports and things, we have about six. But that's including association registration, developers' public reports, as well as most of the calls we get are either governance issues or the public reports. Oh, that's what I was going to ask. Do you feel or see a common phone call that you would normally get at the condominium division? I think the calls rather relate to people being unfamiliar with the basic statutes and being unfamiliar with even what is a condominium because people get very confused. They see an apartment or a unit, and they automatically assume it is a condominium. And a condominium is not a structure. It's a form of ownership, but it's not a structure. And so people can be perhaps by a single family dwelling and realize they have bought a condominium if they have been properly prepared by their real estate agent. So I think once sometimes it takes many questions to figure out how we can help this person because we do have limited jurisdiction, which would be to those that are condominiums. But there are many other types of ownership. Well, speaking of limited jurisdictions, that's actually a good point that you brought up because you have pointed out that you're charged with the enforcement of 514A, 514B, and some of the administrative rules. Some people do not realize this, and I'm actually having a little training session for my office on it tomorrow, that you're not involved in 421J, which is the Homeowners Association statute. Yeah, they are separate laws that govern community plan community associations. There are separate laws that cover subdivisions. There are separate laws that cover timeshare and the other issues, co-ops, all of those. Those are not condominiums. And so there are separate laws that covers those types of things. And those are not particularly under your jurisdiction. No, they are not under our jurisdiction. So we try to assist people and try to figure out what form of ownership they have, and possibly we can refer them to the appropriate statute. But it is not in our jurisdiction. Well, that's good to know. So maybe those phone calls won't come in. But like you said, you will try to assist and send them in the right direction. Yeah, and a lot of times, I think, people don't understand the difference between what is in the jurisdiction of the county. There are many areas that are strictly in the jurisdiction of the county. So they call up and say, well, my house is here. Can I build a two-story house? Or how many units can I have here? Or can I own a cow? We have things like that. That would be county, your zoning, your land use, your permitting, all of those kinds of issues. Building, that would be under the respective counties, and each county is different. So each county does have their own office for permitting, zoning, and those kinds of issues. Okay, well, we have Carol from the Condominium Division of the Real Estate Commission with us, but right now we're just gonna take a quick break. And we'll come back, we'll continue on with more questions. Thank you. Broadcast on cable OC16 and O'Lello 54. Great content for Hawaii from Think Tank. Some say scuba divers are the poor man's astronaut. At DiveHeart, we believe that to be true. We say, forget the moon. DiveHeart can help children, adults, and veterans of all abilities escape gravity right here on earth. Search DiveHeart.org and imagine the possibilities in your life. Welcome back to the Condo Insider. I'm your host, Scott Shirley, and we're continuing on with our discussion with Carol Richelieu. Did I say it right that time? Yes, you did. Thank you, Scott. I'm getting better. Who is the Senior Condominium Specialist at the Real Estate Branch of the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs. So moving on, there's another area of the Condominium Division that some people probably aren't aware of. Most realtors are because it was part of the mandatory continuing education in 2015 and 16, which was all about condominiums, how they're created, the process, and things like that. So that's also one of your areas. Yes, yes. It's also within our jurisdiction, frankly, prior to, although I've been in condominium governance for decades, I was not aware of another very important role that the Real Estate Branch does, and that's with what they call Developers Public Reports. These are basically disclosures that a developer is required by law to make and to file with the commission, thereafter an independent consultant reviews it, to ensure that enough information is disclosed to the public so that the first-time buyer of that condominium will know exactly what they are buying and that there isn't something hidden on page 47, line six. So it's a very important role. The developer cannot sell a single unit until such time as the Real Estate Commission issues an effective date on that public report. I remember that was one of the stressing points in what we called Core A in 2015 is the fact that you cannot sell anything until you got that effective date on that public report. Exactly. What I find interesting, and of course, it lines back up with the doing away with 514A eventually in a couple years is I actually had a student and Kona come up to me and say I have a client who developed a four-unit condominium and never sold any of them. And now because of his age and he's thinking the state planning and his children, he's now thinking maybe I should sell these now. Problem is, is he built them in the 80s. So he is under 514A, which actually had the public report actually expires. 514B, it's evergreen until that last unit is sold. Right, I must have gotten it on expiring, but it probably didn't. They probably didn't. So my comment to the realtor was, well, he needs to determine does he wanna go back basically and start from square one because it's been so long or does he wanna leave it as a problem for his heirs to take care of? Well, when I talked to him again, I asked him, did your client decide? And he says, yes, he's gonna leave it for his heirs to deal with. Oh, why? Yeah. Which in my opinion is probably the right thing to do. Yeah, but then again, if that bill gets signed into law, everyone, but I mean, there's a leeway there in time, but everybody's going to have to seriously think about the transition, but there is a transition class. One of the other things that was very much stressed in those continuing education classes was that the real estate commission condominium division or the commission as a whole does not approve the project to be built. No, absolutely not. Again, we were talking about those other government agencies, they're the ones that handle how tall can it be, what kind of a setback? You know, all of those, how construction, all of that is there. Basically, it's not an approval. It's effective data is given when it's decided that there's been sufficient disclosure made, good, bad, or ugly about what, about that condominium. And so I think people might relate to it in that we have the abundance of construction right now down in the Co. Co. era, so every one of those developments has one of these public reports. And if people are interested in reading them, of course obviously any buyer would have one in their hands given to them by their real estate person, but they are available online at our website. So you can read all these public reports if you are so inclined. If you're so inclined, yes. Well, you know, and one of the other interesting aspects of that is the statute also requires that when these brand new units are offered for sale, the first 30 days, 50% of them must be offered to an owner-occupant. Right, right. And we've had issues pop up at the real estate commission where an owner-occupant affidavit was signed that they are going to owner-occupy and then they didn't. Exactly. So that raises a lot of red flags as well. Right. But I always thought it humorous when I'd pick up the paper and see a full page add for one of these coca-occo ones that says that they're offering them the first time home buyer or the owner-occupant. And the studio is starting at 1.2 million and I'm thinking to myself, yeah, they're lined up down the street for those owner-occupant ones. Yeah. Well, if someone needs that form, it's available online if someone, and part of the law does allow for certain exceptions. If something untoward happens, perhaps a military transfer or a bad change in circumstances, health issues and things. So the law is not entirely rigid that people are sometimes able to get a waiver, but it has to be decided by our office. But there is a form online if people have something like that happen that they can ask to get out of it. And I think what's important about that too is the statute doesn't say there are exceptions for this, this or this because everybody's situation is gonna be different. So it becomes a, for extenuating circumstances, so to speak. So to speak, yeah. Yeah. Hardships and, yeah. Exactly. If I'm in the military, I'm getting transferred. Yeah. Right. And yeah, I can't occupy it. So... We also do the registration too for the associations themselves. That's right, yes. Yeah. And right now, it's actually, we're just entered a period of the next biennial. So we've already had, let's see, over 1,300 associations registered as far as we know. So that stands for about over 128,000 units. Have registered. And in addition, I would like to let people know if you want to see, the new ones will be available online. We haven't gotten it up there, but again, this information is available online. So if you are entirely mystified by who your board president is, you can go to our website and you can look it up at the registration of the association. And that's another interesting aspect is, every two years is registration of the condo. What condos don't have to register? Your ones that opted out, the little guys. Yes. Because I often have that question and it's usually the one or two. Yeah. Well, I can't imagine a one unit condo, but it probably doesn't exist. Because there isn't such a thing. You have to have two. You have to have two, because it's the only. And the other aspect of that too is a lot of people like you had mentioned that they could, looks like a single family home, but it's actually a condo. Right. And what we, I like to remind people is you can pretty much condominiumize just about anything. Yes. Including shops, stores. There's, there are commercial condominiums. There's now storage being done. Yes, there is. And there's also mixed use where you have perhaps downstairs and first floor offices, downstairs shops, restaurants and then the rest is a condominium. And I think some people get confused too, even by, again, don't judge by the shape of the building. Like townhouses. Exactly. A townhouse could be a condominium, but not necessarily a condominium. So don't judge it by the structure. Well, and speaking to that, I actually had a student a couple years ago tell me and I am surprised I hadn't thought of it myself. They actually got about halfway through and for whatever reason they didn't finish up on it. They were actually going to condominiumize boat slips. That's interesting. I've heard of parking. Parking spaces. Yeah, parking spaces. And to me that actually made a lot of sense. I don't know why they didn't follow it through, but we're seeing different aspects. I had predicted 10 years ago that somebody was going to condominiumize your storage spaces. And now it's happening. Yeah. And if that turns out to be successful, you will probably see that further down the road. So instead of paying rent to store the stuff that you visit once or twice a year, you can own the space that you're visiting once or twice a year to see your stuff. Right.  Who's going to maintain the plant? That's going to be a fun one to work with when it does come around. Yeah, yeah. So what other services are available out there? Well, in addition on our website too, we try to put some links on to the important, other important resources, such as the Bureau of Conviances. There's a lot of people don't understand, especially if they're pros and try to do it themselves, like how to form a condo.  But for documents like that, the correct depository is the Bureau of Conviances. So if people are doing research for those kinds of things, because what they may have filed with the real estate branch may have changed. So it's what is filed with the Bureau of Conviances. So we try to provide links to that. In addition, our office doesn't have enforcement power per se, but the regulated industry's complaints office does over some of our statutes. So if there is a complaint, and they have a form online for that, about a real estate agent or broker or certain of the condominium rules, usually it's documents, the failure to produce documents, then people can file complaints with what we call RICO and in order to enforce the law. Well, we're actually, you didn't think we'd have enough to talk about for half an hour, we're actually just about out of time. Oh my. So what I'm gonna suggest is one of these days we will bring you back so we can talk about mediation and arbitration, which is another big issue within the condominium. It is, it is. Industry and the different types of availability that there is out there. Myself, Richard Emory, we're firm believers in mediation. So that'll be a good topic for us to do on another episode. So, but again, I just can't tell you how happy I am to have you here today. Oh, I'm pleased to have been your first guest. It was very kind of you. Baptism by fire, we call this. And not only having you as a first guest, but also making it, my big issue is to make sure that people understand where they can get information, where it's available to them. And we have a condominium division at the real estate branch. That's what it's there for, can be utilized. And it surprises me even to this day how many people don't even realize that's available to them. So I wanna make sure that information, just like you get to say. We appreciate it. Yeah, we really appreciate it. We appreciate the opportunity to let folks know what's available. So I believe we are, if we're not out of time exactly, we're just about out of time. So again, I'd like to thank my guest, Carol Rishla, Rishla. One of these days I'll say it right, or just call you Carol R. That just makes perfect. Who is our senior condominium specialist for the state of Hawaii, real estate branch, condominium division at the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs. It's been my pleasure bringing you the program today. I'm sure you're happy to see me rather than Richard Emory, but that's another issue on its own. So again, thank you for being here at Condo Insider and thank you everybody for participating and helping this day. And thank you Carol and hope to have you back again someday.


The expectation this entire offseason was that Justin Houston was gonna be back for the Baltimore Ravens So them signing him comes as no surprise But the way that it was done contrary to what they did just a few weeks ago That's a tiny bit of a shocker But when you find out that they only got what 3.2 million cap space they got to get a little creative But anyway, YouTube team keep it clean What's going on is engraving here with another video and in this video Justin Houston is officially back For the Baltimore Ravens Ravens are signing him to a one year Deal and with him being signed to a one-year deal that does alleviate some pressure off of the Ravens and offer some of their players They're past rushes specifically that are dealing with Achilles injuries One being Tyus Bowser who suffered his Achilles injury in week 18 in the last game of the year Against the Steelers. He suffered an Achilles injury and then of course David a job. Oh Who is dealing with his Achilles injury that he got in springtime doing workouts pre-draft So with Tyus Bowser, it's expected. I think that he's back by week one, but it's not a certainty So we always say Stay ready so you ain't got to get ready and this is the Ravens making sure they stay ready now What this deal does? it does Sort of create that that pathway for the Ravens to usher in a new generation of their past rushes Next year, it allows them to be full go on their young guys Next year because yeah, right now you got a Justin Houston But with it being a one-year deal, you got Tyus Bowser who can recover a job But who can recover another year for a daffy away Another year for Dalen Hayes in another year for anybody else who may step up as an outside linebacker slash defensive end slash edge guy slash past Russia slash But this year Justin Houston something that Jeff's re big mention is that the Ravens like How he worked with their young edge rushes So with this deal the Ravens are not just paying for a player They're paying for a coach as well. And although it is not It is not Justin Houston's job to coach the young past rushes at all He does not have to do it. It's not his obligation. It's not in his contract Well, maybe Raven might have put it in his contract, but it's not in his contract most likely The fact that he took the initiative and takes the initiative to teach the young guys That speaks a lot to his character and that allows them to have another character guy in the room in the building on the team and You need that You need that you need that veteran presence. You need those leaders You need guys that can be relied upon not just on the field But off the field too because people don't just deal with stuff on the field as we know People are going through all type of stuff off the field too and a coach They can teach you something and they could be telling you all the right things to do But sometimes some stuff just might not click It might not click So being able to be taught all that same stuff, but from an actual player Oh, yeah, that that can hit a lot different than when it's coming from a coach Anyway, Justin Houston just reading mention he did have four and a half sex for the Ravens last year In 15 games now one of the games I think he missed due to COVID and the other one.  He was also really good against the run Justin Houston did a very good job against the run and again This move just it gives you stay ready. So you ain't got to get ready It gives you that satisfaction knowing I alright, okay, we got some injured guys Okay, but week one's coming up and it's coming up faster than you know it man Today is July 7th Training camp getting ready to start in a couple of weeks and I think about three weeks two weeks and change So things will be moving before you know it and Ravens right now were very thin at pass rush Now something that I was getting into earlier the Ravens the way that they did this deal We don't know that the terms of the deal yet, but it is a one-year deal now the Ravens They did that crazy Unrestricted free agent tender that they placed on Justin Houston and I told y'all this was something I don't know if some of y'all I heard about it before but this was something that I had never ever heard of before ever an Unrestricted free agent tender I heard a restricted free agent tenders all day And we knew had a worked But we had never heard of unrestricted free agent tender and the way that it worked was that the Ravens boom They place a tender on it. So that means a you you say either sign with the Ravens If somebody else makes an offer you can sign with them, but the Ravens will get some type of compensation in a form of draft picks So he would either and he had the option to either sign with the Ravens By I think the date was like July 22nd It's like right when training camp starts or like a couple days before training camp starts And if he hadn't signed with anybody else by them by then excuse me, then he would just be a Raven Nobody offered him a deal that was more than what the Ravens were offering him on that tender Then he would just come back to the Ravens. So now I believe Since they're signing him to a one-year deal. I Wonder if they may have rescinded the tender Because again the tender was supposed to go back. It was supposed to go until like Again the end of July right before training camp But I wonder if he read if they rescinded the ten and they were like just like, you know what scratch that Let's just let's just do a deal. Let's just get this thing done because Time is a ticking Training camp is looming is getting closer and closer and we do not want to even get close to training camp and have that Uncertainty just looming over us like oh man. What are we gonna do a pass rush? I just don't know Oh, yeah, we got some of our guys, but so a lot of them are injured and significant guys injured I just we just don't know what we're gonna do You don't want to go into training camp with those thoughts. You don't want to go into training camp thinking that So it's best to make sure you are over prepared Rather than under Because it can make a very very big difference Another thing that I wonder about is if with the whole tender Because you know how if a tender is issued to a player like an exclusive rights free agent or restricted a free agent tender Those tenders they can go into effect when the player signs the tender. I Wonder if this is Justin Houston signing the tender. I don't think it is But I wonder if it is but I don't think it is well, whatever it is. It don't even matter Justin Houston's on a one-year deal back to the Ravens This does not mean that the Ravens should stop at The pass rush position This does not mean that they are done at the pass rush position. You do have some guys there again Justin Houston Bowser a doubt fair way I Was just talk Dailin Hayes. So you got some guys in there. So it's nice So we'll see We'll see but this is a good move. This is a solid move. This ain't like oh, man Yo, yeah Ravens going all the way now, but this move does help them. It does not hurt them whatsoever this move certainly does help and Even though it was expected to happen It's nice when your expectations are finally met Because you could be expecting one thing and then you get hit with a swerve in life and it's like oh boy Oh goodness, here we go But when you expect one thing and that's exactly what you get like if you go to a restaurant and you make it order You know what?  I was like hey I need a battery and they told me they were like all right cool, and I was like hey Is it in warranty? They were like yeah, it's in warranty last time you got a battery was Lamar Jackson's MVP year They didn't say like that. They just said 2019 They're like it's in warranty, but you would pay have we pay have blah blah blah, and I was like all right How much they said okay? It'll be $140 plus tax. I'm sorry cool And that's for them to put in the battery to replace it all that good stuff blah blah So I was like all right cool took the car to the dealership They went dropped it off. They did everything replace the battery blah blah blah I came back to pick up the car from the dealership said how much?  All right, no problem cool That's fine, but then when I came to pay and it ended up being 121 and that was after tax after everything I was like oh wow my expectations were surpassed so it was even better So with Justin Houston This is these are our expectations being met But hopefully this year with the Ravens not even just as a as past Russia But with the Ravens as a whole our expectations with them as a team can be surpassed team keep it clean I love y'all. I appreciate y'all we out


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Welkom back guys, this is Unfinished. Kamakawari na this is the only place so we get to finish and finish matters. Today we're talking about social media lifestyle specifically about influences and on to our next question. Do you think in France is make a lot of money? Let me know what you think in the comments section. Ya like there is this influencer being said I used to follow him before he had money but right now the guy is he's on top. Ya you can say they earn a lot. Ya not all. Ya some make a lot of money by the way you can influence someone, influencing someone by the way. So you can influence someone trust me. Eh this guy influenced me. Acha nimi li peivi ama acha nimi patedo kumshu like just to thank the girl. No na ya they can make a lot of money by the way. I can't say a lot. I can say just average amount of money. I think when they get like deals and brands sponsoring that content and do advertisement I think they do earn some money. I think you see like when you start following an influencer from when they started doing content and then after some time sorry after some time their life changes like automatically. They now start living in a better house doing better things. I think the money comes in eventually but I don't know if it's a lot of money. I can't say let me just say it's let me say good money. I'm not really sure how much but when they start getting sponsors and deals and brands I think they start getting some good money. Ya that depends with your influence, your audience and your fund base. For example Mtukama Aziad. She's earning. Now hawezimuik Aziad in the same level na influencers wengine kwa sobabu Aziad sayu ki muita mahali aneza kupia nini aneza kupia a good testimony about TikTok aneza kupia a good testimony about internet wengine nalipa. So internet nalipa laksa it is nia ume diyenga vipi na kudiyenga siyora isi it's a process. So social media it's another na it's another resource and by GNZ we are lucky to have especially in this generation. So we are supposed to utilize it to the maximum so that to utilize positively to singe to maybe come as a singer na nalipa social media kama ukuna laptop kama ukuna smartphone and you have access to wi-fi ukuna ukuna ukuna daata vizuri. Aneza fana vitu vengine na internet. Not all, not all. Others are just like chasing yeah they don't make a lot of money. You just wear a suit outside but inside you're really groaning and you're really in travel yeah not all make money yeah. Yeah of course influences make a lot of money because it depends on trustworthy of the influencers. Suku chochapa na vitu zene ome nwa ome nwa kabutik. Eh na depend na ile kontekt amiku zanayo. Mm. Ata minasema ukuna inye ukuna do ukuna do sana in fact mina jo ukuna do, miku ankuna jo ukuna do. Yeah, jwe inye ukiki create content smart ukuna benyutakuna followers ukuna ta like, utakuna do, yeh utakuna do. Subscribers too yeah. It depends, it depends na influencer na nini zene ukuna do nitu aje de nini ko paritu zene ome fanya na do nini ambasidas ni it depends. Yeah. Kamu jajituma kamu influencer there is no way you can make money. Depends who is influencing if you look like there are others who are mefika there are others who are not there yet but they are faking it. So it can be very murky you always enjoy who is getting more paid unless they show you the receipts or maybe they had money at one point then zikaisha then maybe zikarodi it's it's not always your bet ukuna do mingi. Yeah, they really make a lot of money like being brand of baza das that's a lot of money working for a brand they really make some quite amount of good money. Think influencers make a lot of money eh, ju tiktok na isoma platforms i'm sure na li pangwa poa they unhunt me that I must say so a good percentage of them do earn as much as they do for trail 9 majority a good number of the people I know earn as much as they say they do. I think it varies with different people and the type of brand that they choose to work in you cannot compare someone who does real estate with someone who influences makeup for example like there's a very huge gap between the incomes that each one of them gets. Unto our last question do you think influencers should be taxed? Let me know what you think in the comment section at Y254 and finish. No, not really because how will you pin it down you tax them in line with what exactly doesn't make sense for me personally. Ya, kama sisi wenginatuna taxu umbona awasi taxi everybody should be taxed by the way na ekonomi kila mtuakwe tu taxed siyati atima influencers siyatis jimabombeni na kila mtuakwe taxed kwe equal. Ya, they earn a lot so they should be taxed like any other Kenyan. Ya, but not that much taxation it should have a limitation taxation so since influence ikona aya percentage So dobona ikana positive effects inafai taxiwe kwa the more taxation the more the more good karaktas it will be again I don't think we should be taxed kwa nafakwa taxed jio ni kitu omenganganana nini kitu tu adiulu kona fanya tu ato of pleasure most of them Boke씞 what we just got, 밥hanu ui uikukita. Now swings it up, it's not that the crans comes, there is no exchange MALDI kwa mifiki kwa soga wa iwa fai kumtaxt? Na, sini kontentia kwa manze, o fai kutaksi wa wana fai kukuli paka mayudu, wana fai kuli po lakini fai kutaksi wana mese. No, but maybe some how they should be taxed, sababu piya nikazi. So you are earning, so you need to be taxed. I don't think they should, I don't really think what they make is that it's a lot to be taxed. Okay, when we tax them, I don't think wata bakina anything to be honest. Kwa jivin the platforms they are using, these platforms do take some of their money. It's not like whatever they get, let's say like YouTube influencer, whatever they are on YouTube, they don't get 100%. Okay, on the basis of if the government, if the government has put in place which is influencing, maybe they have put influencing spots, then they should be taxed. But if the influencer, without the support of the government, then I don't think they should be taxed for now. Of course, why are we taxed? This taxation, we are provided some utilities that each and every one of us are using. So I don't see it's really good for you to be using what you are using as public services, while still taxing, we are being taxed and we are not taxed. So I think taxing them, it will be like a equal measure for each and every one of them. So right, they should be taxed. Yeah, and if we are taxed, we should be able to do that. Everyone should pay tax. So, maaluna an, we should be able to do that. We are mostly taxed. So we should be able to do that. We should be able to do that. We should be able to do that. We should be able to do that. So I think this is one of the influences of our contracts at this particular moment. We are not even sure about the future. Because technology is so dynamic. And hardware is going to evolve to each side. The next move will evolve. So what if we impose taxes on someone, like we are not sure if something happens. Because we are not internet. Maybe we are not internet, and we are not sure what happens. So I don't think if they are supposed to be taxed. We are not sure if they are going to be taxed. We are not sure if they are going to be taxed. We are not sure if they are going to be taxed. It's very early. Speaking of this from our content creators point of view, I also think that they should be taxed. It's a job like any other. And they are also using utilities that we are paying to use. That is maybe roads, electricity and stuff like that. We have come to the end of the show. But before that, I would like to appreciate you guys who commented on the last topic. And I'll read a few of your names. We have Dave Wista Kim Brian Kali Winston Pogba That's not everyone, but that's at least all I could do for now. Thank you guys for watching and thank you for supporting Y254 and Finish. Thank you to the camera Pasun Ya Matiko Thank you to Brenda and everybody else there at the back. Thanks to Kevin. See you guys next time. Bye.