Hey everybody today, we're debating Islam versus Judaism, which caused the Israel-Halasian Conflict and we are starting right now with AP's opening statement AP the floor is all yours Hello, everybody. Hello James first I want to start with remembering that on October 7 Hamas the terrorist organization known as the Islamic resistance movement By their own name attacked Israeli civilians and killed over one thousand two hundred people mostly civilians 100 days have passed over that By now there are still hostages including their babies kept as we are as we are speaking so I want to show solidarity remembrance and also Hope and express that the hostages are free as soon as possible and that Hamas is destroyed as soon as possible I want to start with thanking James for hosting this and I also want to start my opponent, I also want to thank my opponent Daniel Kikiciu who happens to be a very prominent advocate of pedophilia and also of Also a Muslim apologist I know some might say why you throwing that in isn't that kind of poisoning the whale But I have to say it's not every time that you get to speak to somebody who says that A man might marry or can marry and have sex with a girl that is Seven years old six five four three or possibly even under the circumstances eleven months old Let's start with the debate topic so the date the debate topic is Islam versus Judaism which religion is responsible for the Israel Palestine conflict. I initially didn't really like the topic. It is one that generally Kikiciu offered and I Eventually accepted because he would not accept anything else He insisted that we go with this title and any slight change to it would make him Reject this and back out of it the very debate that he offered Fine. I'm okay with that Let's talk about Islam then One side in this conflict in the war that has been going on since October 7 now is Hamas the other side is Israel Israel is a largely secular Jewish nation country that is built on secular Jewish values which makes very little reference to Judaism in its declaration of independence in its basic laws and even in the The the the very foundation which forms modern Zionism, which is for example Teodor Herzl's article they they you didn't start the Jewish States or even his novel which kind of puts it into a a Utopian beautiful form which is called the old new land on the other hand. We have Hamas representing the Palestinians Hamas is a terrorist organization that has engaged in suicide bombings attacks on civilians Deliberately has justified those and it is called the Islamic resistance movement It is very clear from Hamas's own declarations from its own covenant its own charter that its aim is to preserve and Establish Islamic values and an Islamic state in fact Hamas did it themselves make it very obvious that they want to Establish Islam and lead with Islam Sorry, I'm trying to share my screen here, but for some reason I don't get the right screen shared. It's kind of changed All right here. Okay. Okay, so I Want to start with this with this Narration here now. This is a a report which is attributed to Muhammad The vast majority of Muslims around the world are Sunni Muslims Sunni Muslims make up more than 80% of the of the Muslim world. They believe that Muhammad made prophecies about the future about the end times the and this is one of those prophecies according to Sunni Muslim studies and Studies of reports about Muhammad.   But this is not something that just came into existence today This is not something that came into existence since the creation of Israel or since the beginning of the 20th century This is something that was in existence was reported as early as The 8th century 9th century or maybe possibly even the the 7th century around the time of of Muhammad This is no coincidence because in Muhammad's time the Jews were not treated very well He initially liked the Jews full-fature. He ended up Persecuting them expelling them exterminating them and so on and it is also prominently said that Muhammad wanted to Expel the Jews. He made that very clear. This hadith is not something that is just found in Islamic history and Islamic belief and has nothing to do with the conflict. Here is an excerpt from the Hamas Covenant 1988 in which In which they make it they make one thing very clear. They say that they aspire to fulfill Or to look forward to Allah's promise no matter how long that should take and they then say The Prophet Allah bless him and grant him salvation has said the day of judgment will not come about Until Muslims fight the Jews killing the Jews when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees and the trees say they will be There's a Jew behind me come and kill him. So very same narrative again found right here in the Charter the Covenant of none other than Hamas So you can see one very clear sign here Which is that the one side in this conflict bases their entire fight on a promise a prophecy by Muhammad, which is You know regardless of the history of Israel regardless of the future of Israel They believe that they will fight and kill the Jews if today Israel ceased to exist This hadith would still be applicable if today Israel said we will dismantle this state And we will merge into a into one nation with the Arab Muslims and Began living among them this promise here. This prophecy would still stand Not only Hamas, but most Muslims around the world and most Muslims are aware of this hadith would still stand if Hamas Complete if Israel completely disappeared this would still stand and they would still aim for the destruction The annihilation the genocide the complete extermination of Jews If you only look at this hadith it already answers every single question that we have it already Brings an end to the discussion Islam is responsible for the violent war Islam is responsible for extermination wars Islam is responsible for any rejection of the existence and the self-determination of Jews and their statehood We see here an example of from one of the recent Rallies that are pro Palestine or pro Hamas It says here on this sign now. Do you understand why the trees and rocks will have to speak? For others who don't know this might not need much of an explanation But for Muslims around the world is quite clear what is being meant here And this is the issue when people stand with Palestine or make excuses for Hamas and you know attack Israel They usually don't know what Muslims believe Muslim people Believe in this which is why they don't need to further explain it They simply need to put it up and that's all that needs to be done for everyone to get it Now Hamas is not the only side unfortunately This here is an original document from the West Bank the Palestinian territory is the West Bank Fatah the Palestinian Authority, which is supposed to be separate from Hamas, which is supposed to be less Radical which is supposed to be you know, not Islamist and they are even at conflict with Hamas This document was issued on October 20th or October 19th only less than two only two weeks after the Hamas attacks and Is a document that is an instruction by the Ministry of Religious Affairs in Jerusalem An instruction to mosques in the West Bank to preach this Sermon this message on during the Friday Friday prayer where all the Muslims gather If you look through it it basically vilifies the Zionists and Israel and all of that and then it's it shares a few Sources here says Sharia proofs and here it is again highlighted The hour will not be established until the Muslims fight the Jews so the Jews will hide behind stones and trees and so on The very same thing once again So you might say why is this one issue so important? Well, it appears again and again and again from Hamas from Muslim people around the world and here even from the supposedly secular peaceful Palestinian authority in the West Bank It's quite clear isn't it that this hadith which we have here which Motivates Muslims around the world which I learned when I was a little child is Something that they take very seriously and that lies at the core of this conflict Muhammad himself is supposed to have said let there be curse upon Curse of Allah upon the Jews and Christians for they have taken the graves of the of their prophets as places of worship He's supposed to have said I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave anyone except Muslims and The Quran says or you who have believed do not take the Jews and Christians as allies They are in fact allies of one another and whoever is an ally to them among you then indeed He is one of them. I want to ask just one question to finish this which is if Israel today Became completely secular and completely stopped believing in their religion Israel would still continue existing and would only fight for its existence if The other side if Hamas for example suddenly turned Completely secular and let go of their religion would there still be this conflict which according to them by their own leader Is it all based on a religious idea? It wouldn't be there. They would probably be more understanding. That's all I have to say. Thank you Thank you very much for that opening We are gonna kick it over to Daniel for his opening statement But first want to say folks if it's your first time here at modern a debate. I'm your host James Coons We are providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field So if you haven't yet hit that subscribe button as we have many more debates coming up and with that Daniel, thanks for being with us. The floor is all yours Bismillah, Alhamdulillah wa salatu wa salam ala Rasulillah I know to the audience all the references to Jewish texts I'll make in this opening statement I've compiled them all in a document if you go to muslimskeptic.com you can see it there on the home page That why that way you can double-check all the references for yourself So which religion is responsible for the Israel Palestine war? Is it Islam or Judaism? Judaism has many unique teachings that explain why Israel as a Jewish ethno-religious state acts the way it does There are many Jewish teachings that we can discuss but for the sake of time Let's just go over the three most racist most genocidal most disgusting teachings within the Jewish religion First Judaism teaches that Jews are a superior race and non-Jews are not even human The basis of this is the Torah Deuteronomy chapter 7 which says ye shall destroy their altars and break down their images and cut down Their groves and burn their graven images with fire for thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God The Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself Above all people that are upon the face of the earth The Talmud further teaches that non-Jews are not to be regarded as humans or treated as such Only Jews are human in the Babylonian Talmud Bava Metzia 114b we read quote Jewish people are called man, but Gentiles are not called man The Talmud also teaches that all non-Jews are akin to dangerous animals or more specifically snakes Hence all non-Jews should be killed the Talmud states kill the best of Gentiles Smash the head of the best of snakes Other Jewish religious texts like the Zohar and other Cabilistic writings hold that Jews are semi-divine and in some cases can even be worshipped by non-Jews more Specifically, they have divine souls that are connected to God by contrast non-Jews lack souls connected to God as a result They're literally subhuman animals the notion that non-Jews are animals is also reflected in Jewish law For instance if an adult male Jew rapes a non-Jewish girl as young as three years old The girl is to be executed This is because according to Jewish law when a Jew has sex with an animal that animal must be put to death Since the rapes non-Jew child is like an animal. She is likewise put to death This rule is mentioned in the Mishna Torah by Maimonides Who's considered by Jews to be the greatest legal scholar of the Torah Maimonides writes If a Jewish male enters into relations with a Gentile woman when he does so intentionally She should be executed She's executed because she caused a Jew to be involved in an unseemly Transgression as is the law with regard to an animal This applies regardless of whether the Gentile woman was a minor of three years of age or an adult Whether she was single or married and it applies even if the Jew was a minor of nine years old She is executed end quote teaching that non-Jews are animals and can be raped and discarded is the very definition of Dehumanization yet. This is a core teaching of Judaism Now moving on to the second category Judaism preaches a sacred system of racial apartheid law Obviously many religions including Christianity and Islam have rules which give preference to their own believers over non-believers But Judaism takes this to an outrageous almost comically evil degree First of all Judaism has a sacred command to kill all the world's idolaters and destroy all the world's religions in the Mishna Torah Maimonides clearly and famously states that Jews have a religious obligation to wage war against Idolaters across the world and kill them if they do not cease their idolatry Maimonides writes quote We may not draw up a covenant with idolaters Which will establish peace between them and us and yet allow them to worship idols as Deuteronomy states Do not establish a covenant with them rather. They must renounce their idol worship or be slain It is forbidden to have mercy upon them as Deuteronomy states do not be gracious to them End quote modern rabbis teach this point as well For example in a viral video clip rabbi Yosef Mizrahi says that two billion Christians and Four billion Chinese Indians and Japanese do not deserve to live because they are idol worshipers So according to Judaism idol worshipers do not deserve to live But what about killing non idol worshipers according to Jewish law? It is sinful for Jew for a Jew to kill a non Jew But there is no legal penalty for directly killing non Jews Why because the Talmud says kill the best of Gentiles smash the head of the best of snakes Jewish academic Israel Shahak describes this Jewish law in his book Jewish history Jewish religion the weight of 3,000 years He says quote a Jew who murder murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of heaven Not punishable by a court to cause Indirectly the sin of a Gentile is no sin at all one of the most important commentators on the Shulhan Aruch explains that when it comes to a Gentile one must not lift one's hand to harm him But one may harm him indirectly for example by removing a ladder after he has fallen into a crevice There is no prohibition on that because it was done directly It was not done directly According to Jewish law Jews are also allowed to steal from non Jews if the Jews aren't a position of power Again Shahak describes this quote Rabbinical authorities differ among themselves as to the precise details of the circumstances under which a Jew may rob a Gentile But the whole debate is concerned only with the relative power of Jews and Gentiles Rather than with universal considerations of justice and humanity This may explain why so very few rabbis have protested against the robbery of Palestinian property in Israel It was backed by overwhelming Jewish power End quote Shahak also explains how Jews are not allowed to give gifts to non Jews They can only give gifts to non Jewish business partners as a sort of investment But non business gifts to non Jews is prohibited Jews are not allowed to give charity to non Jewish beggars either Jewish law says give charity only to Jewish beggars But never give to non Jewish beggars unless the non Jews start getting suspicious Then it's allowed to order in order to protect Jews from backlash Jewish law allows Jews to exploit non Jews in business through usury loan sharking taking advantage of mistaken calculations and Price gouging many Jewish authorities including Maimonides teach that is best not to charge fellow Jews interests on loans But it's mandatory to charge as much interest as possible on loans to non Jews a similar double standard exists for fraud Defrauding Jews is a grave violation in Jewish law But defrauding non Jews is permissible in many circumstances as taught in the Talmud the Mishnah Torah and many other authoritative Jewish texts Moving on to the third category Jewish law sanctions violent conquest Genocide and rape as a weapon of war traditional Judaism holds that there are two types of war permitted wars or Milchamet Rishut or divinely commanded wars Milchamet Mitzvah and Permitted wars the Jewish ruler is permitted to conquer other peoples take their lands and enslave them if he's able to the Jewish ruler may Conquer the entire world in this way in divinely commanded wars Jews are commanded to genocide Particular peoples they must intentionally kill them including all men women children and infants This is religiously sanctioned genocide and it's what we've seen throughout the history of the terror state of Israel up until today Divinely commanded wars are of three types wars of self-defense wars of genocide and global wars against idolatry I've already mentioned the global wars against idolatry and the Jewish obligation to Just genocide all idolaters of the world Excuse me in so-called wars of self-defense These occur when Jews are attacked and these wars Jews are permitted to intentionally kill men women and children Conventional rules of war found in other religions like sparing women and children and the elderly do not apply and The third type of divinely commanded war Jews are commanded to genocide particular peoples They must intentionally kill them including all men women and children There are two groups of that that Jews are commanded to genocide the first group consists of the seven nations and Inhabiting the land of Israel as mentioned in the Torah Jews are obligated to genocide this group So it so has to take their land the second group Jews are commanded to genocide are Amalekites or Amalek The Torah describes the Amalekites as people hostile to Jews later Jewish thinkers came to interpret Amalekites as any group That showed itself to be an enemy to the Jews It's thought that Jews have a sacred obligation to genocide Amalek in all times in all times in all places Over the years Jewish scholars have applied the term Amalekites to Romans Christians Nazis and Palestinians All these details can be found when referencing Jewish religious texts for another academic reference see the book Holy War and Judaism by Reuben Firestone published by Oxford Besides genocide Jewish shoulders are also given the right to rape any non-Jewish female They wish regardless of her age even as young as three years old and even if she's married and has children The Jewish soldier is allowed to simply take the woman to a vacant area Violently subdue her and then satisfy himself Jewish law then has some technicalities as to what happens to this woman or child in some cases The Jewish soldier soldier has the divine right to simply kill the woman or the child and move on Because the entire Jewish army is entitled to engage in such behavior Every Jewish war is a mass rape campaign directed at non-Jews and their children These rules are discussed in both the Talmud and the Mishna Torah Also Reuters Reported not too long ago that the chief rabbi of the Israeli military Yael Karim taught soldiers that raping non-Jews and war is Divinely permitted and of course we've all seen Israeli soldiers on tiktok videos and elsewhere Bragging about how they've been doing this to the Palestinians Now there are few apologetic moves that are constantly used to defend the Jewish community in light of these shocking teachings of Judaism First some will simply deny that these teachings are a part of Judaism But this is just a blatant lie these teachings are firmly established in the most authoritative Jewish religious texts Including the Torah the Talmud the Mishna Torah and so on further more senior rabbis in Israel regularly preach these doctrines as A second line of apologetic Some will say that these doctrines are mere isolated opinions that were debated in Jewish history But they don't represent the official doctrine of Judaism. This is also a blatant lie Yes, you do find plenty of debate in Jewish religious texts over the centuries But these debates were resolved through the development of authoritative Commentaries from major Jewish religious figures like Rashi and then later through the legal codes of Maimonides and Joseph Karrow a Third line of apologetic is to say fine Maybe these doctrines are an official part of Judaism as a religion But modern Jews are not religious and they don't take their religious teachings seriously This is also a lie. Yes, it's true that most Ashkenazi Jews in the West are not religious But according to polls most Jews in Israel take their religion seriously Israel is a very religious society and is becoming more religious every day because their religious Jews there have the highest birth rates by far But even putting the fact aside and presented pretending that no modern Jew takes Judaism seriously Even in that case these Jewish religious doctrines would still indirectly influence non-religious Jews This is because religion of still affects culture This is the idea behind the tongue-in-cheek statement that most Jews don't believe in God But they do believe he promised them the land of Israel Even if 0% of Jews in the world were religious Judaism has still deeply impacted Jewish culture. The Talmud has shaped Jewish culture for thousands of years It's not that every Jew accepts the Talmud, but they do accept the general ideas Namely that Jews are a superior race non-Jewish life has no value. You can kill rape and cheat non-Jews Therefore, it's okay to genocide men women and children You can absorb these general ideas even as a secular Jew even if you're not specifically following the Talmud by the letter And this is why we see what we see in Palestine This is why supposedly non-religious Jewish soldiers in Israel are right now Engaging in genocide mass rape and some of the worst atrocities humanity has ever seen atrocities and war crimes that are now being tried literally in the hate and Polls show that most Jews in the US and Israel approve of the genocide mass rape and mass murder of children That's being perpetrated by the Israeli military This is all due to Talmudic teachings that have deeply influenced Jewish culture Thank you very much for that opening as well We're gonna kick it over to rebuttals, but want to say folks a couple of things first in particular After our rebuttals and open dialogue will have the Q&A So if you happen to have a question feel free to tag me in the live chat at modern a debate Otherwise, you can also submit a question via super chat those go to the top of the list and Last but not least we'll jump into those rebuttals. Thanks very much AP the floor is all yours Thank you Daniel did a few things or lots of things that I expected he would do now first off There is something very interesting and very funny that needs to be pointed out. He acted like he is predicting one of the rebuttals that will come and Sad that you know people say that's modern Jews don't take their religion seriously or don't believe in their religion Or don't respect their religion and so on No, it's actually not like that. It's it's much The objection is much better than that the objection is that Israel when it was established by the Zionists was Established as a secular country with a secular movement wherein when Teodor Herzl, for example Advocated for the establishment of a Jewish state. He made some remarks about about what this state would look like which are Very interesting to read in which form the foundation of how Israel functions from the very beginning Until you could say quite recent times and I would like to just share that here to Do to show that to show that so this is directly from Teodor Herzl's book the Jewish state It says shall we end by having a theocracy? No indeed faith unites us knowledge gives us freedom Therefore prevent any theocratic tendencies from coming to the fore on the part of our priesthood We shall keep our priests within the confines of their temples in the same way as we shall keep our professional army within the confines of their barracks Army in priesthood shall receive honors highest their valuable functions deserve But they must not interfere in the administration of the state which confers distinction upon them else They will conjure up difficulties without and within every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief As he is in his nationality and so on He says that they learned tolerance in Europe and they should continue They should teach tolerance and build their values on tolerance. So This is at the core of modern Zionism of modern Zionist thinking to establish such a state when the state of Israel was established in 1948 there was a consideration on There was a debate on what this new state should be called. So and we have a document actually Which which reports about the discussions that revolved around naming the state and according to those discussions the founding fathers of of Israel had this discussion where They say that there are several options. They could name it Palestine or Zion or Israel It is then pointed out that They say they will most likely be an Arab state established alongside the Jewish one and We will also have an Arab population inside our own country So we should probably not pick Palestine because that will cause confusion We should not pick Zion because it might cause too much anger because people will associate it with the Zionist movement, which they have already very much against Let's just pick Israel, which is the historical historical land that it is and once the declaration of Israel is made You can see it very clearly in the declaration of independence of Israel. There is not a single mention of God There is not a single religious reference except at the very end where it says the the rock of Israel which was When the religious Religious individuals insisted that there should be at least one hint They included that and that is then a matter of disagreement of what it actually refers to Is it just a home for the Jewish people? Is it a you know a metaphor for God and so on Throughout Israeli history from the beginning to very recent times Israel was mostly led by the labor center left secular Jewish population, which didn't really care about Religion, so it's very strange to say that Israel throughout its history based its decision-making its policies its attitudes of war and You know, it's it's it's treatment of other religions on these very very extreme Religious Talmudic Understandings and I'm using the word extreme here because I remember very well that Daniel Hickey could you very curiously Sat on Twitter many times that it is Talmudic extremism or Jewish extremism that should be Eradicated or rooted out and that is a cancer to the world so according to him It is extremism, but somehow this very secular state that was led by left liberal people who didn't care about religion at all Which is why the religious? Jews were often so much against it somehow was abiding by these extremely religious laws very curious. I don't know how that happens Connected issue There are many Jewish people around the world who are known as anti Zionist religious Jews and Daniel Hickey Kachinos is very well because he shared certain praises or certain reports about those people for example One certain group is known as that's right Carter There are other groups like Satmar and other religious Jewish communities even his friend Muhammad a job for example or a Friendly organization in the UK five pillars UK they prominently and lovingly Promoted those Jewish people as real Jews as good Jews as anti Zionist Jews who have humanity and so on I want to say something very funny about that Those Jews are Talmudic Jews They believe in the Talmud They follow the Talmud they take the Talmud very seriously and to do and do you know what their biggest criticism of Israel has been? Historically the biggest criticism of Israel has been that Israel is not following Judaism that it's not following a religion that it is not taking the Talmud seriously that it is a Zionist that it is a secular movement which Jews should not stand for because secularism is a rebellion against God and Jews are supposed to wait for the Messiah for the future Where where God will eventually intervene and take over and so on so the religious Jews The actual religious Jews who closely follow the Torah were known as Ultra orthodox Jews are the ones among whom you will find a very religious Objection to the state of Israel based on the idea that Israel doesn't follow religion Whereas the secular Jews are the ones who will who have been leading Israel and who according to Daniel Hikikichu here have been committing you know genocides and Oppressions and all of that based on religious teachings. None of this makes any sense Daniel repeatedly cites the Talmud and He very curiously cites certain certain passages from the Talmud like the one where Allegedly according to him Jews are described as not men not humans It's very very interesting that Daniel Hikikichu would do some something weird as this because the passage in question there talks about burying people and visiting graves and then references a certain biblical passage where Then there is a discussion about whether a Jews may You know visit the grave at a certain time or not and they reference the Bible where it says you my people are men and They then say it seems to refer to Jews only so they are the ones who are called men here not non-Jews So this ruling should probably not apply to non-Jews. So the entire passage is about Semantics it is not about whether Jews are humans or not and Non-Jews are humans or not and any basic understanding of a simple text would give you that's Conclusion very easily any Question directed at any rabbi in history will easily give you that conclusion They will easily give you that response and in fact you can find it everywhere. There are certain projects that have been established To just deal with these questions one of them is prominently Let me see angelfire.com which is a very very Useful very interesting Scholarly website that has been established just for this Where you can find and just for those who have who are too lazy to actually look it up I can put it right here on the screen and you can do that right there at home Angelfire.com Talmud you can see here these basic responses with Scholarly Analysis to these objections brought up directly and one of the most famous ones here is Whether Gentiles are human or not the very citation that Danily Kikicci just gave us Baba Metsia 114 a 114b only Jews are humans and it explains it here very clearly while also giving examples of how Gentiles are actually Have rights according to the very Talmud that is supposedly Calling them animals that it tolerates them and so on it that doesn't make any sense, but it's very it's very hypocritical of Danily Kikicci to go into picking certain Parts of the Talmud and then trying to send this message when He would firmly object to citing the Quran for example what it says that the worst of creatures In the sight of Allah are those who disbelieve That is directly in the Quran chapter 98 verse 6 another another one is that Those who disbelieve are less than cattle less than less than cattle is in the Quran then There is another one which is the Jews and the Christians or the disbelievers among the Jews and Christians and the polytheists Are the worst of creatures also from the correct directly from the Quran if we cited that now which are Not just some some you know allusions to how Some are called men and others are not called men, but direct Explicit verses in the Quran would say those are the worst creatures to less than bacteria What is that I think it's going to say about that you see are we supposed to now accept that Islam is Inherently at all together Genocidal that it is that it doesn't have any respect for any other people except Muslims at all And all of that I really wonder what can I kick your response to that will be because he likes to do this He likes to do the gish galloping which he likes to accuse others often then But when you do this about about the Quran then he suddenly He suddenly he suddenly gets all defensive. He doesn't want to accept those very same standards He cited Amalek, which is very interesting Daniel Kikicci recently repeatedly mentioned that Netanyahu said remember Amalek Anyone who knows something about Judaism will Know that every year there is a day in Judaism Purim the the day before the Sabbath before Purim The there is a passage that is read from the Bible directly and that is in Deuteronomy Remember what Amalek did to you? This is Historical in Judaism has been done for thousands of years and it was never ever Implied there that you should take Amalek as the enemies that are currently around us And you should go or to kill them It was always a message to remember look out for each other defend each other be steadfast be righteous Be be an example to the nations and so on. This is basic Jewish teaching. I recently talked to Dr. Anad will for is a very Who is by the way an atheist? Jewish scholar of Israel and she she confirmed the very same thing You can read my monities the very person that Daniel Kikicci likes likes to cite He repeats the very same thing and and says that teachings about Amalek are not applicable because are not applicable today because It is obviously historically not possible It is it is only applicable in a time where such tribes were around and may be applicable on the different circumstances and I want to be very fair here In a time where there is a kingdom where God has interfered where there is righteousness and so on A very distant world, but hey if you want to go to those to those contexts, then let's get back again to The very report which I cited according to which the prophet Mohammed said that you will fight the Jews and kill them Wherever you find them and you will exterminate them something that Muslims around the world are very very proud of and Daniel knows this. He himself knows this very well and Seriously Daniel When you cite something from a a book you make it look like you are cite you are quoting the Quran What Daniel doesn't understand is that the Quran is a book which he will confirm that has commandments for every Human for all generations timeless no matter where in the world The Talmud is not the very same thing at all in Jewish history any rabbi any scholarly stores will explain you the very same thing The Talmud is not a book that is full of binding laws and every single word in there is to be followed There is a passage which which says that Which is often cited by these two haters which says that? Somebody that a non Jew who studies the Torah should be executed What's very funny about that passage is that on the very same page you will find That they should not be executed and that Gentiles who study the who study the Torah are considered scholars How does that make sense? Well because seconds because the Talmud is a book Which contains vast discussions between scholars in order to interpret the very texts that they believe in It is not a book that is strictly made of explicit laws that everyone should follow It is studied in Judaism in rabbinic Judaism in order to understand Jewish scholarship not in order to understand Okay, we will do this and this and this and this because that's exactly what the Talmud says You got it. Thank you very much for that rebuttal. We are going to kick it over to Daniel for his rebuttal as well Do want to let you know folks Hey, if you haven't yet hit that like button not for me But for you so that you can tell YouTube that you enjoy content like this juicy Controversial topics so that YouTube can serve you exactly what you like with that and go over to Daniel Thank you very much Daniel. The floor is all yours Yeah, so I want to also dedicate this debate to the over 24,000 Palestinians that have been murdered by the terror state of Israel the over 8,000 children that have been killed and sent to heaven by the terror state of Israel So, you know, this is a debate about genocide and the religious roots of genocide The attacks of October 7th. This is a military operation It has not been proven that most of those who were killed on October 7th or who died on October 7th were civilians in fact Indications are that most of them were part of the IDF as either soldiers or reservists And furthermore it seems that most of them were actually killed by Israel itself. You have now eyewitnesses and even members of the Israeli military saying that actually it was Israeli tanks and Israeli helicopters who were launching hellfire missiles at both Palestinians and Israelis Discriminately and this happened at the music festival that happened in the Kibbutzim So many Testimonies from Israeli witnesses themselves who are testifying to this and saying that Israel was operating In fact, it was reported by why net one of the biggest and most important sites on from Israel that The Hannibal director div Hannibal directive was invoked by Israeli military personnel And the Hannibal directive is that Israel the military will attack not only Combatants, but also its own civilians if those civilians are being taken as hostages this is the Hannibal doctrine and it's meant to prevent Israel being in a position of having to Negotiate on the basis of releasing hostages. So many of these hostages Or many of the people at this music festival or on the Kibbutzim in southern Israel They occupied southern Israel. They were actually killed by the IDF itself And there are many reports that prove this whereas reports that Palestinians were beheading 40 babies and we're just mutilating Pregnant women none of this has been established by forensics Even my debate opponent was one of the ones who spread this myth of 40 dead Beheaded babies turned out to be complete atrocity propaganda lies that the Israeli Military and the Israeli state has been pushing now to go to the arguments that my opponent made Regarding the hadith his entire argument about What's happening in Israel is on the basis of one hadith and is the hadith regarding the Ghar God tree and he claims that this hadith which he presented on the screen proves that Muslims are commanded to just kill Jews Everywhere that you find them But even the hadith that he read disproves what he was saying because the hadith says fight It says fight which means in war that this is a war that is to be fought between Muslims and Jews and the proof like the one single evidence and proof that debunks his entire Presentation and his entire argument is that Jews have been living with Muslims historically for over 1,400 years even within Palestine itself before 1917 you have Jews who are living in Palestine. They were the small minority, but they had their own villages.  In Palestine, how is it that Jews throughout history have attested to the fact that when Christians were Launching pogroms against them. It was the Muslims who protected them and the Muslims who Actually sheltered Jews from the Christians if the hadith Was to kill all Jews no matter what till the end of time Then why didn't that actually take place? Why was there all of this protection of Jews? And they're able to live in Muslim lands peacefully for literally centuries and generations. So this simple fact completely debunks Ridvan's argument Furthermore, this hadith is about eschatology. It's about end of times. It's about a specific battle that will take place between Muslims and Jews There's also hadith about a battle a major battle between Muslims and Christians that happen at the end of time Now if we want to talk about eschatology, why don't we talk about Jewish eschatology? Why not we talk don't we talk about how in the Mishnah Torah?  This is within Jewish eschatology and within the Talmud. We also read And I'll give you the reference right now that each Jew at in the age to come will have 2800 slaves 2800 non-Jewish slaves. This is what Judaism teaches about the end of times and you can read that directly in the Talmud and the The reference is Shabbat 30 to be Anyone who is vigilant in performing the mitzvah of ritual fringes merits that 2800 slaves will serve him in the world to come So this is these are texts that I would I wonder what red von thinks about and whether he will Condemn them or not because in his rebuttal. He hasn't condemned any of these texts He hasn't condemned any of these Jewish teachings, which I find very fascinating Now, let me get to some of his other claims here. He made a claim about the Hamas Charter So let's read that if you go to the Jewish virtual library and I put a link again go to muslimskeptic.com And you have on the home page all of the references that I'm using and I've linked the Hamas covenant From the Jewish virtual library and this is from 1990 1988 and I'll quote In section f followers of other religions the Islamic resistance movement meaning Hamas is a humanistic movement Article 31 says the Islamic resistance movement meaning Hamas is a humanistic movement It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions It does not antagonize any of any one of them except if it's antagonized Buy it or stands in the way to hamper its moves and waits its efforts under the wing of Islam It's possible for the followers of the three religions Islam Christianity and Judaism to coexist in peace and quiet with each other Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing Of Islam past and present history are the best witness to that It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region Because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage displacement and terror So this is from Hamas. This is their 1988 covenant their charter. You can go read it Then they had another updated charter in 2017 a revised covenant And it says here in the section the Zionist project you can also find it in the Jewish virtual library It says the Zionist project is a racist aggressive colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others It's hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspirations for freedom liberation Return and self-determination the Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base Of aggression the Zionist project does not target the Palestinian people alone It's the enemy of the Arab and Islamic umma posing a grave threat through its security and interests It's also hostile to the umma's aspirations for unity Renaissance and liberation has been a major source of its troubles Zionist project also poses a danger to international security and peace and to mankind and its interest and stability Hamas affirms that that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the jews Because of their religion Hamas does not wage a struggle against the jews because they're jewish But wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine Yet it is the Zionists who constantly identify judaism and the jews with their own colonial project An illegal entity Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalists Religious or sectarian grounds Hamas is of the view that the jewish problem Antisemitism and the persecution of the jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to european history And not to the history of the Arabs and the muslims or their heritage The Zionist movement which was able with the help of western powers to occupy Palestine Is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation Which has already disappeared from much of the world and much and must disappear from Palestine So this is what uh, the actual Hamas charter says so quite different from the Hasbara propaganda that my opponent recited for you He also mentioned that israel was originally Secular in nature, but this is contradictory by Theodore herzel and other founders of the israeli state like ben gurean who explicitly wanted to establish a jewish state a jewish ethno state How can you be an unbiased state an unbiased secular state if you are Going to be designed as a jewish ethno state Um, this makes no sense and when you actually look at the laws that are on the books Within israel the apartheid is clear that no it is not a secular state in the sense that all religion and all races are equal No, in fact, there is a preference given to jews jewish israelis if you're arab If you're palestinian if you're non jewish, then you are discriminated against In this massive apartheid state and there are reports that we can look at With human rights watch with amnesty international Even former president jimmy carter has described israel as the apartheid state and written the book about it so the Objections or a bottle of rid van are exactly as expected. He is claiming that jews are not really religious or secular This is an objection that my opening statement anticipated It's not just if if jewish people say i'm religious jew It's about the culture the the influence of the talmud on the culture of jews and israel and outside of israel He also mentioned anti zionist Jews so this is like a small marginal percentage only five percent Of jews are are anti zionists the vast majority of jews Support israel and they support jewish dominance and israel as an ethno state um He mentions an angel fire site or whatever that is that's just an apologetic site You have so many sites that say oh islam is peace There's no such thing as jihad in islam and all of these apologetics And i as an objective person will point out and i have pointed out in my debates that these are just apologetics They are not authentic to the actual religious teachings jews and christians have analogs of this as well And they have websites and this is what? The opponent rid van is pointing to so what you know He doesn't accept if someone comes and debates him and says oh islam is peace He doesn't just accept that he says oh, this is this is apologetics. Let's look at the hadith. Let's look at the quran I'm doing the same thing. I'm saying these uh sites are just pure apologetics when we actually look at the texts um, we can see exactly the uh claims that i'm making about judaism's racism superiority complex etc. It's it's uh violence Rape as a weapon of war. I didn't cite one text so My opponent says that well this one talmudic passage about Non-jews not being human. Oh, you're reading this out of context. Really? It's not just one Passage in the talmud. It's multiple passages. What about the passage in the jerusalem? Talmud about uh, the kill even the best of gentiles You didn't address that comparing gentiles to snakes kill the best of snakes. You didn't address that. What's the context there? what about um killing a Uh non-jew who has been raped a three-year-old non-jew. I reference the mishnatura. I reference the show The shoal chan aruch. I mentioned uh, all of these Authoritative religious texts you haven't addressed any of them the fact this idea of racial superiority is not limited to one passage of the talmud It's an overall concept that is repeated by many rabbis many religious authorities Past and present a little hand wave and oh, this is out of context. That's that's really weak. That's really weak um The mishnatura The mishnatura says that the authoritative rule is that a non-jew who studies the talmud is to be killed So just to correct one of the things that my opponent mentioned Also to correct one thing that he mentioned he said amalek is something that is not actually Relevant. Yes, it is When benjamin net and yahoo references amalek and says don't forget amalek in reference to the palestinians It is relevant. It is relevant When members of the israeli kinesis When members of the idf are singing about the only mitzvah that we will follow is the mitzvah to kill amalek They're singing this like on tick tock idf soldiers are singing this that means that is relevant Also, your claim is about me supporting pedophilia. This is garbage. This is uh, If you want to look at pedophilia look at what the talmud says about marriage to a three-year-old Including sexual intercourse And I cited some of that we can cite that more of those passages in the open dialogue But that you have missed completely misrepresented my views But we can talk about more in the open dialogue We'll jump into the open dialogue just a couple of quick housekeeping things folks If you didn't notice at the top of the chat is a poll What is that the cause of the israel-palestine conflict it's already got 1,300 votes So if you haven't yet The options are islam judaism neither or both So do check out that poll that's here at the modern day debate live chat here on youtube And you can put your vote in there. We're gonna jump in the open dialogue I gotta say gentlemen if you could do me a favor the biggest thing is you just want to make sure you have equal time and that there's Minimal interrupting a little bit we can let it slide. We don't want to be too structured but At the same time if I have to you know, I gotta jump in and put us into one or two minute segment responses So if we want to keep that more organic discussion, please do me a favor work with me here, right gentlemen Thanks so much. The floor is all yours. So I want to just clarify Do you condemn these teachings of judaism you condemn them like are we on the same page You can damn those teachings of the talent. You just finished your robotic would be probably, uh, you know, nice open dialogue We can both of us can talk do you can I know I know you can You can just finish a simple question It's a simple question. Do you condemn what the talmud says about non-juice? You condemn the raping of three-year-olds It doesn't say it doesn't say rip three-year-olds. Yes, it does. You want me to read the mission for again This is not this is not a cross-examination section. Just not across across. I'm just asking you. I'm just asking you Okay, no, I don't I don't you don't so you're fine with you're fine with killing the non-gentile Three-year-old who has been raped you're fine with it killing the non-gent. No, I'm not I'm not fine with it So you condemn I said I don't condemn it. This is a this is a uh, a false choice You are presenting it as if uh, it is true and it must be condemned or it is true and uh, and I approve of it That's not the case here This is a fallacy as somebody who is supposed to have studied, uh, so much logic and psychology You should know this. No, I don't condemn it and I also don't acknowledge that it's a thing So I don't approve of it. That's how simple it is Okay, you want me to read that it's a thing You deny that it's a thing You deny that it's a thing. So do you want me to read the passages again? You just you just you want me to read the passage of the gentleman one second I do want to I want to give you guys a chance if you want to talk about this But this is the last thing I want to give you a chance to ask apostate prophet daniel and then I'm gonna give it a This is not if you if you wanted to if you wanted a cross cross examination section you should have asked for it Okay, because that's that's how it works. We can we can have one minute two minutes back and forth If you'd really like it We I mean if you uh, if if two questions at a time is too much We can have it be or apostate if you want to ask one now and then we'll let daniel come No, you know what you know what my suggestion is actually if daniel wants to do this so much Let's have another debate and let's prepare for only cross examination and then we'll see what happens How about that? You're not prepared to talk about the juneism. No, no, no, no, no, no, no I would like to if you like to do cross I mean cross examinations. So I asked you a question I would like to As I mentioned Oh, I have to jump in just because as you mentioned so it sounds like AP is saying, hey, why don't we just do one question each direction at a time? That's fine.   It's not that this is not a food for conversation We'll give you a chance to ask your question now AP of daniel Okay So daniel gave a long speech here and he included something at the very end And I want to ask him about that because he seems to be very sure And he seems to be presenting to the audience this idea that I misrepresented him daniel Do you accept for me to play a brief video of you saying That it's okay for men to marry little children People know the clip. Um, are you okay with it or not? We can play it. Yeah, okay. All right I'll play the video now since you said that I misrepresented you I will share the sound of it and play it right here So you said this is garbage. I misrepresented you when there are signs of physical maturity It becomes permissible for the husband in Islamic law to have marital relationships or consummate the relation with his bride And this is the example of the prophet peace be upon him You know what precocious puberty is starting puberty unusually early Is there anything in Islam that prevents you from in a man marrying a five-year-old and started precocious puberty You can arrange a marriage even as an infant, but that doesn't mean that sex is allowed Could a man have a marriage to a five-year-old consummate it if she started precocious puberty If she starts showing signs of physical maturity Then yes, that's permissible as I said before If there are signs of So this is something that becomes biologically impossible because Precurity shows it goes as early as 11 months. Well, that's something that the parents would not See the thing about Islamic marriage is that parents are involved at these ages and when you look at the marriage There you have us All right, so again I respond to your misrepresentation presented to you. Go ahead.  So your moral compass is not really a standard here So if you have like yeah, you did yeah, you did because you said I for support pedophilia I support marriage like every other religion like every other Culture within history. Yeah, laugh it up, but we're laughing at you We're laughing at we're laughing at the fact that I read you about raping three-year-olds and killing them And you couldn't condemn that right? So when you have marriage tied to puberty You can give these ridiculous scenarios like oh, what if a 11 11th month old has puberty or what if the embryo in the womb has puberty like, you know Googling philosophy was talking about like that's ridiculous in every culture You have when girls And boys they reach puberty which can happen as young as eight or nine years old Then marriage is is going to be considered In the current secular world There's plenty of sex that eight and nine and ten year olds are having you have no problem Apus with eight and nine year olds having sex in these public schools You have no problem with that. Why because you don't support any kind of legislation to ban it So that kind of sex is happening because it's natural when you reach puberty To start desiring for that kind of behavior islam and traditional religions Regulate that including Judaism. Judaism doesn't have like an anti Minor marriage stance. It's actually the most extreme in allowing marriage to happen and sex to happen without any regard to puberty And those are the passages passages that I read you from the Mish Natura And you don't want to talk about Judaism. You want to talk about me? so I'm just explaining to you that The stance that I have is the stance that every religion has had traditionally that Judaism has And your stance is in coherence because you're fine with you're fine with eight and nine year olds or even younger Having sex in public schools. Are you done? So this is not about about what I think of child marriage. This is about what you said It's very interesting.   This is not about the discussion on pedophilia. This is I just let you speak. There's a high percentage of interrupting me. I just let you speak I said hypothetical. That's the misrepresentation.  Good fantastic. Thank you Wow, we've reached puberty which is a physical impossibility. Yeah What's your point? So in that scenario you accepted that as a possibility and said If there are signs it would be okay. But now you are now you're saying that we're possible If that were possible in some bizarro world So in in some bizarro world an 11th month 11 month old Or even a one month old could be hitting puberty daniel Alternative reality. Yes. Can if four year old girl have precocious puberty early signs of puberty I don't know of any cases of that you confirmed it's right there in your debate with inspiring philosophy No, I confirmed precocious puberty That's what that's what I just seven or eight. Yeah, not four year old. No Uh, michael cited the study to you. It goes as early as 11 months and we debunked the study that he cited He doesn't know he doesn't know how to read a study We had a medical doctor sit and debunk his nonsense. I don't want to go too far Just because like this is the topic that we the topic that I promise everybody today is on the war in particular So I do want to read sure before everybody everybody has has seen what general denies and then we can clearly see him Saying well, we just saw you deny the rape of a three-year-old and in the mission You have to go back gentlemen. I hate to do this, but no, we're talking about Judaism This is the law within Judaism and it's tied to what the IDF is doing in Palestine right now They're raping children. Do you have evidence of them raping children? Yeah, their own statements this own statement of the IDF Uh, take making tiktok videos soldiers saying that yeah, I raped a 14 year old and killed her, you know Do you have do you have about that? Do you have evidence of the idea for raping children? Can you can you provide evidence of their statement? Yeah, their own testimony They're on their own testimony. Where do you have it? Do you can you present the evidence? I don't have the screen share Okay, fantastic. Yeah, we can people will post the tiktok. I would I I retweeted it I thought so. Yeah, uh, you said that I shared you said you said my opponent shared the propaganda of 40 beheaded babies Uh, can you show me where exactly or can you tell me where exactly and when exactly I said that? Yeah, happy to have us beheaded 40 babies. Yeah, happy to share that with you right now Okay, go ahead one second In the meantime folks do want to remind you our guests are linked in the description That includes at the podcast you can find our guests linked below I'll give you a chance Danny. Okay Tiktok is the best. Yeah on october 10th. You tweeted They indiscriminately eradicated entire families and communities and then complained about the retaliations Savages, so you're quoting a Hamas article. This was october 10th Then someone replied So this uh article that you shared Hamas slaughtered babies and children and kibbutz massacre bodies of in dead infants discovered as israeli soldiers enter kafar azal one of the last villages to be recaptured from the territories and someone replied to you last I heard the claim about baby slaughter is not confirmed yet It's just some people claiming they saw saw bodies And then you said you replied it is confirmed that children and babies are killed the specific claim about 40 babies Some of which were beheaded was confirmed by multiple different sources and only disputed by one source That was your tweet on 1245 a.m. October 11th 2023 So according to what you just quoted from me I said uh that multiple sources have confirmed that uh children and that and a report of Babies killed some of them beheaded. However, I use however you said in your rebuttal you said in your rebuttal that I Promote it or shared the the theory or the propaganda that 40 babies were beheaded. Yeah, you did Between I just read yet.  Did I did I say there are confirmed reports of children and babies killed some beheaded Or did I say 40 babies were beheaded? You said reports of 40 Babies killed some of them beheaded. Uh-huh is confirmed. Yeah. Uh-huh. You spread that good. You spread that so I so I didn't say Uh, I didn't say 40 babies were beheaded. Good. Yes. You said 40 babies. Some of them beheaded. Yeah That's the that's the entire propaganda that you were spreading now We know that it's not for babies You can now we know that there are no there is no evidence of 40 babies All of those conformed reports are were complete propaganda complete lies and you spread it Just like you spread all these other All these other lies about The supposed atrocities committed by palace sign I don't understand if you are if you are aware, but it looks like you don't understand simple English statements here and this is not a big surprise because uh, you recently you recently cited an article which says that The idf confirms that three thousand Hamas militants have been killed You made a video posting that and said this article confirms That three thousand idf soldiers were killed, which is so weird How would you you read the article you put it on the screen?  You haven't retracted that you doubled down on it Actually, I have actually okay. So now you you do retract. No, I didn't I didn't retract. I actually explained it very well And it's so you What do you mean? I didn't retract it It's right here Short explanation to the on the 40 beheaded baby story if you want to look at it so much to my Yeah, they did. I did claim I'd never claimed 40 babies were the Israeli the rate Israeli government and the u.s. Government Joe Biden went on tv and he said that there are 40 dead babies Beheaded babies actually. No, he did not. Yes. He did. Yes. He did not his exact words were not that he said that Why why does he get the screen screen? Privileges can I share my screen? He didn't he did Biden never said there were 40. Yeah, let's make this neutral James like he can just share his screen whenever he wants Joe Biden never said there were 40 beheaded babies Okay, okay, okay Okay, well in previous debates, we agree to share screen for opening statements Not just in the open dialogue people didn't share. Otherwise, how am I going to coordinate my Okay, so OBS, okay. Well fun. AP just a second I think he was asking me not you is that you can as well if you'd like there was never any rule that said you can't share During I wasn't aware dialogue I wasn't aware of that Okay, well, you're welcome. You saw you It was probably the juice you hold on AP if you want a chance to right now Daniel since you didn't know Not a big deal If you want to right now feel free to launch into it People will see it. Yeah Okay, um, there's a fantastic opportunity. You just claimed that Joe Biden said there were 40 beheaded babies Can you show us that? Oh And and it has to be that not something else that you say could refer to that It has to be him saying 40 beheaded babies or 40 babies 40 dead babies Something like that. Go ahead and tell go ahead and show us. Please. I'm very curious to see that This is going so very very well so far. I really appreciate this That's going really well for you Hey post you didn't address any of the claims of Judaism. You didn't condemn Judaism. It's very interesting that you have all these critiques of Islam But when I talk about Jews Jewish law You have nothing to say. It's actually very looking very good for you.  That's what you're calling me, right? Okay. I just want to clarify that's not is that insult is that insult? No, it's it's a fact I just want to I just want to clarify one thing.  Is that okay with you? Do you see my screen now? Is it okay with you? I just asked you a question. Do you see my screen or no? Yes, we can. Yeah Okay, well, you know if you call me You see this white house walks back Biden's claim. He saw children beheaded by Hamas US presidents folks presidents say comments were based on news reports and claims of Israeli officials So let me get on my screen Because now I have to set up a screen share on this as well Folks in the meantime want to let you know you can find both of our guests linked in the description And also want to let you know that poll at the top of the chat has over 2000 votes now That's what is that the cause of the israel-palestine war And the choices are Islam Judaism neither or both I'm gonna close that shortly With that. I'll kick it back over to you daniel Okay, so do you see this? What do you have to say about this? This is a report Okay, where do you have where do you have Joe white house claims biden saw photos of terrorists beheading children In israel hamas war you just claimed you just claimed Joe biden also said how are you gonna work this out? How are you gonna work this out? I want are you scared of me asking you the actual question daniel? You just claimed that Joe biden uh himself said That that there are beheaded babies Where can you can you tell me where he said that please white house nbc news White house clarifies biden's claim he saw photos of terrorists beheading children So not only did he see not only did he see pictures of beheaded babies He actually claimed to see hamas beheading babies. Okay. He said beheading children You just said Joe biden talked about beheaded babies or spread the same story about beheaded babies Can you show us where he said that? President Joe Biden painted a vivid picture of the horrors of the israel hamas war and remarks to jewish community leader is wednesday But the white house later had to clarify his claims I never really thought I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children biden said in broader remarks about his administration's support for israel amid its war with hamas and efforts to free american hostages The white house did not immediately respond to requests for further details about biden's remarks To senior administration officials said biden was referring to reports from israel about beheaded children Insided several media reports of beheadings NBC news has not conform confirmed those reports idea of spokesperson Doran spielman told mbc news that specific report and that number i can't confirm and a spokesperson for Okay, yeah, who said wednesday that toddlers and babies were found in kafar azah At kaboots in southern israel with their heads decapitated after hamas's attack over the weekend But where are the 40 babies and where did joe biden say that he said that he said that he saw Beheaded children. So your your entire rebuttal to this is that no no he said children. He didn't say babies Okay, so here is here is a thing Let's say joe biden makes a statement that is inaccurate right or that is wrong and we can criticize him for that And many did and i did too by the way not at the time not at the time Okay, after the fact when it was debunked. Yeah, it's easy to say that. Oh, well, okay Nothing is being granted here daniel.  Is it 40 beheaded babies or is it Children beheaded, which one is it now daniel could because if you want to take one false statement or one ambiguous statement and say look he made a mistake Therefore he agreed to this. That's not how it works. That's not how anything works. Yeah, right. You got me. You got me I said, yes, I said babies. I did have children. Yeah. Yes. I did really really a big owner Got you a moment. Thank you for the demonstration. I indeed got you You further claimed that the idf that most of the civilians That died in israel were killed by the idf. Didn't you? I said there are some reports that a lot of the ones who are killed in israel were killed by The idf you want me to pull up those reports? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you said you said most Most they killed by the idf. Let's pull up the sources. Let's do you do you not stand by that now or what? Yeah, let's pull up the sources so I can tell us. Can you tell us which source that is? Yeah, I'm gonna pull it. Hold on. Is it going to be electronic into further? No, it's going to be winet. Good news. Are you are you aware of winet? Yes, I am. Does it say that right? Is that is that hama source too? No, is that is that hama source or not? No, does it say most civilians were killed by the idf? Let's let's open the the source Okay, okay, read it. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead because It is it is beyond reasonable doubt proven that the civilians were not mostly killed by idf and it is also not proven that Many people were killed by the idf. In fact, you presented a whole narrative here that it now shows that At the rave the idf came in with helicopters and killed people and they are witness accounts Daniel, can you name one witness or can you name one source? Which says that they saw the idf come in and shoot at people at the rave From helicopters I'm pressing you on each every single one of these claims because All of this is a lie and you do this every single time Every debate that you go into you make these baseless claims without any single piece of evidence This is a completely we're seeing the evidence. We're seeing the evidence right now. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead shows Okay, do you see my script? Yes Okay, so this is a wined article We can go to it says israel ordered all combat units on october 7th to stop palestinian fighters from returning to raza with captives At all costs quote don't read it This was an order to use the Hannibal procedure, although without clearly mentioning this explicit name about 70 Vehicles were shot by a combat helicopter an anti-tank missile or a tank at least in some cases everyone in the vehicle was killed It is not clear Dude, you're such an idiot. Here's the article like the article is Misrepresenting you see this Yes, yes, can you show us what is the article? It's where it says that it is There's evidence that is proven their witness accounts that the eye that the idf helicopters went in and destroyed the Or killed people Go ahead shows come on. Yeah, this is just like when you cite When you cite a research paper and you only read us what the what the what a summary by somebody says about it Whereas the content of it doesn't say anything like that at all you're doing a fantastic job right now By the way, great track record Another lie exposed right there Uh-huh Why not article with google translate? Let's see what you know, hebrew. You want to read the hebrew? No, let's go ahead and see what it says You never really read this, did you? On the morning of october 7th several impressive episodes of heroism and sacrifice were reported in the history of the country But also a long series of failures malfunctions and chaos in the army The seven days investigation that will be published tomorrow outlines the first hours of black sabbath a command system That failed almost completely and was completely blinded Fighters who due to a lack of communication had to direct aid from the air using the cell phone Marines who brought fighters into battle with weapons without intentions or ceramic vests Old and unadapted Orders are pasted by copy paste and sent to the field blah blah blah Uh-huh All right, where is it come on come on daniel come on. You made a big claim show us. Where is it? Where is the evidence go ahead show us One of the revelations revealed just hold on hold on clown one of the revelations revealed in the investigation Is that at midnight on october 7th the idf ordered all of its combat units in practice to use the Hannibal procedure Although without clearly mentioning this explicit name the order was to stop at all costs quote Any attempt by hamas terrorists to return to gaza that is despite the fear that some of them have abductees It is uh, uh, uh, it is estimated that about a thousand terrorists and infiltrators were killed In the area between the otoff settlements in the gaza strip. It's not clear at this time How many were abductees were killed due to the activation of this command? So they're not clear on how many at abductees and this is like a month after this this article is from what date um Do you know what this is talking about daniel?  That's the Hannibal directive You want us to look that up as well? Can you show us where in this article? It mentions that this was at the nova festival That's what that was the question because it was the claim. This is it's talking about october 7 So it's not limited to the where is the where does it mention the nova festival? That was your claim No, no i said on october 7 You said nova festival not just i said No, i said the nova festival and the kibbutz seemed you know what kibbutz is Yes, i actually do know Okay, do you know well that i mentioned both of them did i i didn't say that this source is saying only the nova festival So so you do not so you don't agree with your line of question So you so you don't establish i've established everything that you asked me to establish daniel So do you know what this art? Do you know what this article is? Do you know what this article is? Yeah, we read it. We all we read it clearly the article is talking about vehicles That passed the border and went into into the Gaza Strip. Yeah, they were talking. Yeah, that's where that's where the conflict That's where the casualties supposed to be happening on the border. Yeah He's talking on the border. Where do you think? Hold on one second Yeah, yeah, we just read it Or I should see your your passion So what I have to do is really quick I just want to jump in just to be sure because There's so much speaking over here that I just want to be sure that everybody's able to hear both of you One at a time though So go ahead. I think that you were saying a positive profit that there was something going on in the Article and then I think something to the effect of Daniel You were saying just at the border I want to give you guys a chance first AP if I got that right and then we'll go to daniel Yeah, his claim was that that there were that it is confirmed that helicopters came in and killed people at the Nova festival no such evidence exists It's nowhere the article explicit the article is talking about how israel Attacked vehicles which cross the border it says very clearly there to prevent them from coming back Where excessive use may have excessive force may have been used which may imply the Hannibal directive It never says that that was actually the order given So fantastic The article says explicitly that the order was given the Hannibal directive was given. That's why we just read we everyone saw on the screen We just read it there it's saying That it is implied although it wasn't explicitly mentioned. This is like the most pro-israel Website and it's saying that this is the directive that was given the actual directive is to kill any potential captives So they fired indiscriminately and they blew away 70 vehicles and they're not sure how many actually had Hamas and how many actually had israelis the article said that that we just read And where did they do that? Were they shooting inside israel or southern israel where all of october 7th all the attack Happened on southern israel. It was at the festival. It was at the kibbutzim. No, you're like this type of Trying to exonerate the idf on the basis of these technicalities. You know, I commend you on that That's a very israeli tactic, but it's also ridiculous. Like people are seeing the article right there Yeah, look at this article another art. Yeah, another article you're by the way, um to clarify this the Hannibal directive doesn't exist anymore It was a a directive in the past. Which is why did they invoke it? Why does this article from a month ago talk about it? Which is why the article that we just read which danily kikich himself put on directly says That an order was given which is um, you know implies the Hannibal directive It never says that the Hannibal directive was specifically ordered Because it can't be ordered because it is no longer officially a thing. So the same thing That was implied the article is meant. What is the Hannibal directive? The article is about what does the article Mean what does the article mean that it was implied? It says that uh, they are supposed to at all costs shoot at the Hamas vehicles that are that are At the border to prevent them from coming back. That's what the article is actually. That's not what is the Hannibal directive What is the implied Hannibal directive answer? That's exactly what it is shooting at the targets knowing that there may be that they may be Israeli abductees in the vehicles Which they made a difficult decision and decided to shoot anyway because they are preventing The thousands of Hamas terrorists from roaming inside israelan coming back. That is what was what what was uh, the case there It is not about telecom. Thank you shooting at the nova music festival. You have no single evidence for that I didn't say they're shooting at the nova festival. Just killing random israelis They're killing what a mixture of what they thought were uh, palestinian fighters and uh israelis They indiscriminately fire and they killed many of them hundreds of them apparently Okay, and you you just acknowledged that that's the case. No, I did not yeah You just explained that that's what the Hannibal directive is And that's what was ordered or was implied explicitly described here many many times that that is not the case but apparently you don't get it Everyone else is getting it. Yeah, we all heard you say it described what the Hannibal directive actually is So let me read from the Mishnah Torah right now. So do you have your questioning? You've you've asked me plenty of questions now now. It's my turn to ask. So yeah, so you have no nobody Now let me ask you questions. Let me ask you some questions. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead so Maimonides The greatest legal scholar of the Torah In Judaism says if a Jewish male enters into relations with a Gentile woman when he does so intentionally she should be executed She is executed because she caused the Jew to be involved in an unseemly transgression As is the law with regard to an animal This applies regardless of whether the Gentile woman was a minor of three years of age Or an adult whether she was single or married and it applies even if the Jew was a minor of nine years old She meaning the non-Jew is executed. Do you yes or no? Do you condemn this teaching of the Mishnah Torah? I would have to locate to it Just assume if if You know put a conditional on it if I presented it Accurately and people can go to Muslim skeptic They can go to the link and read it off of a Jewish website If I've read it correctly and presented it correctly Do you condemn this yes or no if it was precisely presented in the very In the in the most correct sense just like that the way you read it. Yes, I would condemn it Okay, so do you condemn the fact that in Judaism if a Jew kills a non-Jew He is not punishable by a Jewish court You condemn that I do not condemn it because we cannot confirm that that is actually the case So Talmud talks about punishments applied within within a Jewish environment Where where a Jews and non-Jews are judged separately and Jews don't have Proper jurisdiction over what actually happens to to non-Jews. No, no, we're talking about a Jewish majority Which is discussed in the in the Talmud Thoroughly and you and I are not Talmud scholars Well, some of us know more about the Talmud than others, but the you clearly don't Yes, I do and also Israel Shah a Jewish historian and academic when he says Rabbinical authorities differ among themselves as to the precise details of the circumstances under which a Jew may rob a Gentile But the whole debate is concerned only with the relative power of Jews and Gentiles rather than with universal considerations of justice and humanity This may explain why so very few rabbis have protested against the robbery of Palestinian property in Israel It was backed by overwhelming authority He also says a Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of heaven Not punishable by a court to cause directly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all One of the most two most important commentators on the shulhan aruch, which is the Jewish legal text explains that when it comes to a Gentile One must not lift one hands to harm him But one may harm him indirectly for instance by removing a ladder when he's fallen into a crevice There's no prohibition there. So this apartheid Do you condemn this racial apartheid? Yes or no? Can you read that final part one more time the one that you just read?  This is very different than Islam. It's different from christianity This is specific to Judaism. So again, this is from an academic Jewish historian. Well known israel shahak Do you condemn this yes or no? I can answer this very very easily First off if it is presented exactly as it is. Yes, I do condemn it, but here is the issue You just read us a passage from a jewish text 16th century by the way on jewish law Which says clearly that you may not directly lift your hand and cause harm on Gentiles But you may do it indirectly while at the same time during this whole debate You are saying that they are following their Talmud by going after you know, Palestinians or non-Jews and directly targeting and massacring them. No, that's this is irrelevant This is a contradiction the the quote is not about war In war, there's a different set of teachings even in Islam There's a different set of teachings between war and and non-war.   This is Melchamet mitzvah. So this is this is standard Jewish law Okay, Danny, you just said that this is unlike Islam for example, such a thing is not found in Islam only in Judaism Um Is it not true that according to Quran chapter 9 verse 29? It says that Muslims are to fight those who do not believe in Allah And don't accept the religion of Islam fight them until they are humiliated and pay the jizya upon which means as Muhammad said it that Muslims are supposed to fight and converge the disbelievers Or make them pay jizya and to become humiliated them is or kill and enslave them which you even confirmed Is that true? Yes or no? Yeah, Islam has jihad We I've had many debates on jihad and the rules of jihad. But what differs what differs is that in Islam According to the explicit command of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam and as recorded in hadith found it in Sahih Muslim and elsewhere Your Muslim soldiers are not supposed to deliberately kill women children priests rabbis and the elderly This is the this is islamic law. But in Jewish law you are supposed to it's encouraging you It's obligatory to kill women children the elderly and even infants even animals And this is coming directly from deuteronomy also numbers within the old testament So this is a very clear difference between islam's rules of jihad And the jewish rules of war and uh that i've described to you So um according to you and then on the screen i'm sharing the screen the quote people are uh contesting that this is part of the Jewish law. Here's the mishnah Torah. This site is safariah a jewish site It says if by contrast the jewish male enters into relations with a gentile woman when he does so intentionally She should be executed She is executed because she caused the jew to be involved in an unseenly transit transgression as is the law with regard to an animal So this is very clear.  Why because this is like bestiality The jew committed bestiality by having sex with a with a non-jew So this is the type of religion that you're defending a uh, yeah, no No, where does it say that no where does it say that uh, nowhere does it say that i'm showing you this on the screen right now On this jewish website. This is the mishnah Torah chapter forbidden intercourse 12 Nowhere does it say what that they're animals.   That's not what the passage says. That's not what anything says You made the very same claim about the rabbi the the grand um rabbi of the of the idf al kareem you said that he said that uh, the soldiers are allowed to rape their opponents. This is Has been debunked thoroughly. In fact the very same rabbi Uh, the very same year. I think a week after he published that supposed article he clarified um Lots of people misunderstood this as condoning rape. I must clarify under no circumstances is rape allowed You can you can even find this. I mean you often uh, just post a wikipedia article and highlighted on your twitter page Just go on al kareem's wikipedia article. You can find it right there You didn't find it right where he says where he says it is clarified that he says rape is never permissible Yeah, after he got in trouble after he got in trouble for his remarks It went viral then he clarified, but his original statement Was that the soldiers can rape? That was his original teaching and his original statement And then when he got in trouble then he his he changed his story So go to Reuters if that's not uh, authoritative enough source for you rabbi colonel iyal kareem israeli military chief rabbi Designate is seen in this handout picture blah blah blah Israel israeli israeli's military has nominated a new chief rabbi who seemed to imply in a past religious commentary that its soldiers are Allowed to rape non-jewish women in wartime. Hmm. He implied it. This is like implying the Hannibal directive implying. Oh, yeah Just murder all of these uh potential israeli hostages because we don't want to negotiate with terrorists Like this these are everything is implication I can I actually read is i'm reading a statement right here, which is uh, not from Along after it is from the very same time when uh, he made that statement He says obviously in our times when the world has advanced to a level of morality in which one does not marry captives One must not perform this act which is also entirely against the army's values and orders because in the very article That was so controversially was talking about taking uh captives in wartime in ancient israel That's what it was about and I don't know why you have a problem with this considering that you are Okay with sex slavery including if the if the if the if the girls taken captive are four years old Which is no your own statement No, no, you're there's a big difference between concubinage that is practiced again in all these religions No, it's not because in in the mishnah Torah You can kill the person that you've raped So in in islam you can't just rape someone you have to take them as your concubine Which means you have to feed them you have to feed them you have to clothe them You have to feed them you have to clothe them you have to take care of them You're there if you have any children those children are free and they're your children But in Judaism There are different rules.  We read we just saw the passage We can cite many other passages as well. I read them in the opening statement There's nothing like that in islam in islam.  If if there is some kind of like weapon like a catapult or something that um, well where there's uh potential casualties or Uh civilians that indirectly are killed then that's allowed Okay, I want to as a casualty of war but not deliberately like okay, there's women here. Let's kill them I want to then Judaism.  What's shocking is you have nothing to say about these rules in Judaism You have no condemnation. You don't have no question about these kinds of rules I just accept that you're you're apologists for genocide basically I I literally talked about this right now.  There is no child rape. There's only child Or there is no raping of captives. There's only marriage in taking care of captives while raping them. Um, I want to cite a hadith a report about Muhammad and uh, just to get your confirmation that I'm uh, Representing it accurately Muhammad's armies were raiding the polytheists and um, They went to Muhammad and said during our night during our night raids Uh, we killed the women and children of the polytheists And Muhammad then says, um, they are from them Is that this is the this is collateral damage as I mentioned This is collateral damage that they weren't intentionally it was night and they couldn't see and then that in the morning They realized we have killed women and children. So no big deal Yeah, collateral damage and war it's in every war you have collateral damage You deny that's fantastic. Do you deny that? No, I completely accept that's also what's happening and uh in in Gaza right now But you're you fail to recognize the distinction that I made there's a distinction between collateral damage And deliberately targeting women and children. No, I I agree. I agree which which the with which Jewish law prescribes it actually Obligates the killing of women and children In terms of I do want to thousand children killed in Israel. All right. I'm gonna grant something I'm gonna grant just because I do want to be sure that we're focusing on what saw is the war And by that I mean usually people think the cause is preceding the war. So If you want to the cause of the war it are these Jewish texts the Jewish culture The Talmud the Mishnah Torah the teachings of Maimonides the the greatest legal scholar of Judaism This is what causes this kind of genocidal behavior from Israel speaking of Maimonides Uh, you said that Maimon you you cited Maimonides a lot And then you proceeded to say that Jews lived with Muslims forever and everything was okay. Um Maimonides is the very same guy who wrote What is known as the epistle to Yemen upon complaints from Yemeni Jews Because of their treatment and their persecution by Muslims They asked for help and Maimonides writes a letter to Yemen where he says These people the Arabs and Muslims are have have treated us us worse than any other people He complains thoroughly about them calls Muhammad a madman and says that Says that no other people ever have been as cruel to them and as disrespectful And bullying to them as the Muslims have been so it's very interesting that you Don't seem that's a letter to Maimonides. What did Maimonides respond? No, that's the letter by Maimonides to Yemen. That's his response to to the Yemenis to the Yemeni Jews Who complain about persecution he says Nobody treated us worse than these people that's in his letter Called the epistle to Yemen by Maimonides who lived in a very supposedly tolerant Muslim Muslim Spain. Well, I don't understand how Tolerant Muslim Spain was worse than What was to come I was being sarcastic. Yeah Yeah, no, no, I could definitely agree that the the reconquista and the the inquisition afterwards when it was taken Back by the Christian Iberians was was terrible and was probably worse Can definitely say that but the point I'm making here is that Maimonides doesn't agree with you that things were Brilliant under the under the Muslims for Jews. It's it's quite the contrary in the 19th century There is a very famous event known as the Damascus affair where The Jewish community was accused of a of of a ritual murder typical blood libel, which by the way, you also recently engaged in Where uh, where then were Jews were accused of abducting a Christian and a Muslim And then the Jews were thoroughly persecuted and this sent shockwaves around the Muslim world and also led to one of the formal ideas of modern Zionism What's the whole the whole point of your argument was that islam wants to kill all Jews and exterminate them Maimonides if he can complain about Muslims So what but the fact that he was living with Muslims means that he wasn't being killed. He wasn't being Imprisoned even so that debunks your entire argument. I understand now you're shifting your argument to say that Yeah, well, Jews didn't have such a great time Your original argument was that Muslims have to exterminate all Jews. So what happened to that argument?  How did I butcher it?   This is what they believe in I never said that Muslims take that as a command to kill Jews wherever they find them That's not how is it? How is it explanatory like how does it explain this current war? Well, very very simply. Um, I for example as a child, uh grew up learning that The day of judgment might be very soon the events might be very soon This is by the way a thought that Muslims had forever Muslims in the 7th century 8th 9th 10th 11th century And so I always thought it might be very imminent Muslims have the idea that the events might derail very soon and toward that time they will Fight and kill the Jews So it is quite expectable that the hatred between Jews and Muslims would derail and Go toward such a conflict, which is why it is inherent in Islam for Muslims to always have in A hostility against their ultimate enemy the Jews, which is why we're gonna say that Jews are their ultimate enemy Where does that even come from?  Like that's that's the thing that I'm disputing. How do you? That's that that's the final that's the final big enemy the big mention. No, that's false Okay, there is also which group is the biggest religious group that is mentioned in the prophecies of the end As as the ones that will be fought Christians entirely Christians Is there any hadith that says you will fight and kill the Christians and exterminate all of them? No, not exterminate all of them, but you'll fight the Christians and you will fight the Christians Yeah, you will fight that hadith that you cited well is also about fighting the Jews You will fight Christians. This is not about fighting the Jews. This is uh understood because it's literally fighting you read the hadith It says fighting You will fight the Jews. Yeah, you will fight the Jews.  They'll lose.  These are all things that are found in Jewish law In Islam, there's nothing like this Muslims can live as people of the book I mean, uh, Jews and Christians can live as people of the book under Better than being killed better than being killed under Jewish law But you have nothing to say about that. You have nothing to say about Jewish law. You have nothing to say about Those passages that I read I will say something Daniel, so you're you're um, it's it's very interesting your logic here is that I cited this hadith and say that uh, therefore Islam is responsible for the hostilities you say, um That doesn't make sense because in Muslim rule Jews lived even as second-class citizens, but they lived However, you then continue go on and say that israel in its history is based on Judaism and Has the goal of exterminating non-jews By your very own logic by your very own rebuttal That is complete nonsense because israel as a country has an error population of 20 percent most of which are Muslims They are growing. It's it's a very fast rapidly growing population has been growing There was never a decrease in that population plus recent studies actually by the Conrad Adenauer institution say that the majority By the washington institute and by the palestinian research institute together conducted say that 70 percent of israeli arabs feel tied to the to the israeli government and the most popular identification among israeli arabs Is to identify as an israeli citizenship more so than as an arab or as a muslim so This is I can put the study on the screen if you want me to but this is directly By from surveys of israeli arabs So by your very own logic then this means that israel is not genocidal and Judaism is not genocidal because under Judaism under israel Muslims seem to thrive quite happily as it seems Thriving is not being ethnically cleansed the definition of ethnic cleansing is when you're forced from your land So palestinians who are in you know, what's called israel are refugees They've been pushed from their land the ones that weren't Executed or exterminated in the nakba in 1948 the rest have been made refugees They've been literally pushed off the land the land has been cleansed And this is according to the understanding of greater israel from the nile to the euphrates river also based on the Torah that jews are entitled to so they're entitled according to their doctrine of obligatory war to cleanse the land And they call it like what's the term that they use now like voluntary resettlement Except it's not voluntary because you're bombing gaza and pushing the palestinians out Nearly two million palestinians are being evacuated from their land forcefully Something that you I guess don't understand to be ethnic cleansing because you're an ethnic cleansing apologist But that is the definition of ethnic cleansing when you push people off of the land The people that arabs who are within israel They are systematically discriminated against through apartheid laws because they are not jewish. They do not have the same Rights as the jewish-israeli population Are these is this your tweet Daniel? It says isn't it hilarious that the number one thing the trad cons are citing to justify their diehard support for israel Genocide in palestine is one five second clip of some rave prostitute Plenty of footage from of traditional families and so on. Is this what we are seeing here your tweet Yep, that's my tweet So this is this is what you actually think about the civilian population Inside israel and then you actually really want to sit here and talk about How non-jews are viewed and and where's the statement about the population of israel the population of israel is a bunch of Settlers who have stolen the land of palestinians through genocide and ethnic cleansing That's what I think about the population of israel So this is what we think about the population of israel. So the population of israel because they are settlers You have no regard for them at all and if they are brutally abducted and killed when they have nothing to do with the conflict at all Just reports actually was okay.  Are you kidding rushing her? Do you want me to play it? Do you want me to play it? Spitting on her people are spitting. Yes. They are spitting on her. They're hitting her. They are And so on No, I'll show me where they're hitting her. No, okay. Yeah, go ahead. I can I can show you that it might be a little bit too graphic Maybe I have a censored version I actually if I show that due to the nature of the barbaric Hamas terrorist it The stream might get affected james If I have a censored version here I might have that right away But hey, you know what? Everybody knows this. This is one of the most one of the most Well-known footages of the from the conflict from october 7 and I can show it I can post it to you right after the debate and tag you on it and you can then correct yourself I can show you the full footage of her being paraded while Palestinians and Gaza are what do you mean paraded? What do you mean paraded? Hamas terrorists I have have her on a pickup truck. They drive her through Gaza while the crowds are cheering and And going and spitting on her. How do you know that they're cheering about her? Yeah, I mean this is this is your wow loose These are your loose arguments This is all implication There you have no evidence that she was actually killed or hit. I don't think she died at that moment Who actually shot her? You're the one who said that there was a there was actually a directive that was implied So it could have been actually the IDF who shot her and maimed her She was put in the truck to be taken to an hospital to a hospital for medical attention But the crowd was actually there to cheer on the vehicle because I know where this vehicle So they were hitting her and spitting on her. Those are the claims that you made. So yeah, if there's a video I'm open to you showing it ap especially. Let me know. Did you find the censored version? um, I If I look at it right now, I can show I don't even open to the Non-censored version you are okay, okay, but if you have a censored, it's probably a little bit safer I mean, it's probably gonna get Zapped anyway, or you can just send me you can send me the Video and I'll watch it and I'll be happy to say if there's any they're hitting her and You know and we even have all these things of us killing women and An adolescent directly on camera, which you also did well the IDF has women conscript. So We are talking about civilians talking about civilians. Not about how do you know? There are civilians not plain clothes because they're coming out of a civilian vehicle at a kibbutz And are then chased by Hamas and then plenty of settlers are reservists within the IDF that live in the kibbutzim Ah good in turkey, uh, where I where I lived for quite a while Every Turkish citizen is required to go to the every Turkish man is required to go to the military so that means every one in turkey every man in turkey is a Good target to kill if Someone wants to resist some oppression in turkey. That's the logic here good Yeah, if turkey occupied another people and started Genociding them ethnically cleansing them depriving them of food and water then yeah, that would be that would be uh A mean or that would be a reason for that occupied people to attack Turkish men. Yeah here here. We have it Here we have it. Okay. Let's see So We have footage um to be fair. I cannot Immediately confirm or see uh the beating that I described there are different videos of them beating Uh people on on the back of pickup trucks that there's another video where they do such a thing I don't know if that's if that's her though. In this case, you can see somebody spitting on her while everyone is Screaming a lot of work, but in celebrating this moment Yeah, I see the spitting so that's objectionable Um, but I still don't see parading as you described. I didn't see any beating. You don't think that is parading No, I thought they just returned From their operation and then people are saying a lot like that Yeah, why are they saying a lot of work in response to that because they are happy that she's being taken to a hospital Yeah They're taking like this was the operation because of 75 years of genocide and occupation and killing of palestinian women and children and infants poisoning them starving them They have this operation in order to survive That's what october 7th was and part of this operation was to Take these prisoners of war They took uh 200 I think Over a hundred prisoners of war Um to be used to bargain for their lives That's what palestinians have to do meanwhile. There are 6 000 palestinians in dungeons within israel Many of them under the age of 15 who are holed up. No one calls them hostages. No one calls them victims, but six over 6 000 palestinians hold up in israel For years and some of them are killed a lot of them are raped a lot of reports of Rape happening in these dungeons in israel.  They are transferring her on the back of a pickup truck from israel from ram into gaza to take her to a hospital wow That just amazing how that makes sense to you. What do you think about this footage here? Well, no, no, you played one footage. Let me play footage now You can play footage of people being uh people dying Daniel as just as us for one question at a time at the start of the debate ap will do Daniel the same in terms of videos being shown. Okay. Sure. Sure. Yeah, can go ahead But you can see here in this case. Are you just all those civilians? Uh a a why that I mean Daniel Would you like to show a video now? Yeah, I'm just pulling it up I'm gonna pop it out of here. We can't we can come back to an apostate prophet. Okay, so to be uh In alignment with what we did earlier But while Daniel is looking up that video do want to say folks that poll is still up in the live chat Thanks so much for your voting. It's up to 3,279 votes The options in terms of the possible responses are for the question of what is the cause of the israel palestine conflict Islam Judaism neither or both So do check that poll out and if you haven't yet hit that like button As Right now both Yeah, I would say both you think Judaism is responsible equally with Islam I would say Judaism is definitely also responsible for the conflict, but it's been a good way Where Islam is responsible in a bad way because if the ideals of of the jewish Movement of Zionism came into full fruition as they were there would be a peaceful nation in israel Whereas if the islamic ideals came into full fruition, there would be the genocide By the way, the text I read the jewish text I read talk about the elimination of all religions talk about the Genocide of idolaters talk about how there should be no religion except Judaism on earth These are the things I read you. So if Judaism is successful And israelis is successful. Those are the things that will come into fruition Islam allows for the existence of other religions and the ability for jews and christians to worship Even when muslims are in control the same is not the case for Judaism This is a this is a complete majority of this analogy between Islam and Judaism The majority of jews and and and all those in charge of israel believe in peaceful coexistence the majority of Those in charge of the palestinian territories. Hamas they don't believe in that The majority the majority of people in israel as well as the jews in the united states believe that israel is for jews and they believe in a jewish ethno state and they support the The killing of civilians in gaza like all the polls show that the that israel supports the idf tactics And think that there should be even harsher tactics for the idf to use against the palestinian population Do you want me to pull that up that pole? Okay? Okay, that that that doesn't make the point that you just that what you were just trying to make the point was The point was that according to the majority of jews and the majority of Religious or non-religious authorities in charge of of israel They should live together in coexistence with other religious groups. There is no belief in extermination or anything like that. Whereas under The islamic site. There is no equality and as for hamas jews shouldn't even live there You also misrepresented that by the way We have we have so many statements by hamas including as reason that 2018 saying that their goal is to exterminate the Filth of jews. I read you the hamas charter. I read exactly what the hamas charter said Yeah, you read the hamas charter. All you said is that they cited a hadith and that hadith means exterminate all jews, which I debunked I can cite to you the hamas leaders and what they have said for Over the decades right. I pointed to the hamas charter the official documentation. Anyone can say anything. Okay I'm talking about hamas leaders. I'm not saying I'm not talking about okay. Look at this talking about those in charge of hamas Oh, they can't hear don't hear what what you might have to do is Hold on. So if you jump out of screen share Just for a moment and then okay, go ahead and look it again But then don't select which window you want to use just wait So you don't want to play a clip from from today's conflict. You want to play a clip from 19 Which is talking about 1948 If I knew that you wanted to talk about the history of the conflict, I would have Love to discuss that with you. Yeah, we're talking about the entire conflict Yeah, that's what led to the conflict that is what we're talking about So if you hit share and then talking about the wall once the page comes up to select your window There should be a little box at the bottom says share your audio as well Okay, can you hear it now? I Okay Yeah Quite a long video. Do you do you know, um, I want you to do you want to explain to the audience what this is describing actually I Okay, we get the point can we get into why what this is about These are just idf soldiers. Yeah, and and what are you talking about massacring school children Which event is this describing laughing about massacring school children? There were so many massacres. Okay, can you take israel engaged in about this? Yeah, these are idf soldiers Who were engaged in massacring and raping children and girls and the villages that they've raided Throughout the history of israel. No when was that? What are they which event were they describing? They're describing the massacres and rapes. Does that even disturb you? He's laughing about 250 children that he it does It does. It disturbs you, right? You distribute that they're part of the idf Yeah, I do dispute that they're part of the idf. No, it disturbs me. That's what I said Uh, do you know when this is for the edge? They mentioned when this was in what event they are describing Do you know when this is from? What is the point?  You don't even know what you are describing here. This is about the this is about tantura, which is um, which is an event in 1948 they're talking about 1948 during the war With with the arab side between israel and the arabs This comes one year after the 1947 civil war started by the arabs against the zionists To an extermination war by the way to eradicate them and drive them out completely in 1948 The zionists established israel the arabs then unite with the neighboring arab countries and invade israel While evacuating large portions of their own population and amid of that massacres happen This is one of those massacres, which I think is terrifying and horrible, but that is what it's being Do you know how many villages uh, israeli soldiers liquidated in this civil war plenty plenty of them Yeah, over a five minute warning. We do have five hundred and sixty five hundred villages liquidated over 700,000 Arabs displaced terrible. Yes. Yeah, if it was a war, this was planned way before 1948 You had meetings. Yes. And within august of 1947 Ben gurion and other israeli leaders met and they drew out literally Their vision for the israeli state and the borders that became you know the the so-called 1967 borders And so that's what they actually implemented through planned genocide and this is documented by historians read ilan pop The ethnic cleansing of palestine and he describes the plot that they had from the beginning To cleanse the land and what is this based on this is based on judeism This is based on the Torah. This is based on the talmud all of the passages that I read to you promise israel israel for the land Israel is the land of the jews from the niles to the euphrates. So it includes the cyanide It includes jordan. It includes parts of iraq. It includes parts of the arabian peninsula It includes the golan heights in syria All of these are part of greater israel that zionists believe are promised to them religiously. They don't Yes, they do. I earlier. I earlier directly cited to you ben gurion himself During the creation of israel acknowledging that there will be a neighboring arab state Plus arab's inside the country, which is what they take into consideration If you wanted to discuss the history of the the early history of the conflict, I would go into that largely with you I know that you are clueless about it. You didn't even know what tantura is. You just learned it Uh a few days ago, you don't even understand that israel was founded as a jewish essence several You don't know you think it's a secular state where our religions are equal. I know. I know that's how clueless you are It actually it actually is You recently even claimed that during the nakba 700 000 jews were killed 700 000 Arabs were killed now as a mistake. That's okay. That was a mistake, right? You admitted it but then the follow-up you made to that was that 700 000 Arabs were killed and expelled Instead of saying I made a mistake. So here is the correction. Why would you say 700 000 were killed? and expelled because that's true because the the the the amount of people killed There are like it's between 5000 and uh 15 000 or something something like that.  It's a joke. Yes. When you say biden said uh, there are Then you say oh, there's a video of this woman who was being beaten. We don't see any beating Where was the beating? Where was the beating? I just acknowledged that. I saw this honest that you won't even acknowledge that I said okay, I can't see any beating here, but this beating is there I it was literally me myself pointing that out at first when we when we watched the video I have the decency to correct myself and to point that out you didn't correct yourself when I showed the The news articles about biden you didn't can correct yourself when I pointed the the israeli news article about the Hannibal directive Because you didn't correct yourself on any you didn't couldn't correct yourself on the mishnah Torah referring to non-jews as animals You haven't corrected yourself on any of these because you were wrong I showed it on the screen. I showed exactly what I claimed on the screen Okay, you're just your quibbling is oh babies versus children. Well, there are other articles that say biden referred to the beheading of babies Okay, yeah, you can read articles or tweets. We have the actual quote Children is by the definition anyone who is under the age of 18 babies is uh, one to two years or Three years old by a stretch And and you think if you think you can say biden said 40 babies were beheaded then you can just Quote him as saying confirmed reports of beheaded children and that somehow means the same thing to you. Are you insane? Yeah, and your tweet was also about babies your tweet was also about 40 Babies some of whom were beheaded. Yes, uh confirmed. That's what I said confirmed reports of 40 babies some of which some of whom were beheaded. That's what I said, which turned out to be complete myth and fabrication Yeah, I said that's the confirmed report and I later made it made a thread made a whole tweet clarifying what exactly happened and how There is misinformation within it and so on you could have seen that if you had the decency to actually look for proper information Because you don't care about information You don't care what we saw everything that I said was backed up backed up by this screenshot yeah, great Everyone has seen that everyone has fantastically seen that right here Yeah, and again, I encourage everyone to go to muslimskeptic.com where you can read the jewish texts that Talk about how they're the superior race how non-jews are animals.  I asked you for evidence. You never provided it. Yeah, I provided evidence that There is not it even the even the idf even the israeli military has not confirmed What was the proportion of civilians to idf soldiers? The article that we just read I pulled up on the screen said it Uh-huh. So your claim is the idf killed most of the civilians or many of the civilians and That can be backed up by saying the idf has not confirmed the proportion of Those killed by the idf and those killed by hamas So I don't have the the citation on hand, but the fact that the idf did Did target 70 vehicles? and Hit them with missiles and they don't know how many of the dead which were burnt to a crisp Were idf soldiers or or civilians? That is evidence that a huge proportion Was killed by the idf arguably the majority or it can't be confirmed This is the thing it can't be confirmed because the bodies were burnt to a crisp with the hellfire missiles that israel launched And using the Hannibal directive against their own civilians Where where those cars destroyed where they at the nova music festival or where they at the border of some of them were at the festival So no they were they were not no they were not Yeah, I mean there is for that and there is no single evidence you can provide because that's completely made up I can can see they weren't at that festival. They're the idf murdered them in some other place So that means so that means your your your claims about the idea of killing people at the nova music festival are completely baseless Thank you. No, no, I didn't say they The destroy you're saying that the destroyed vehicles were not at the festival So I'm saying no idea the idf didn't kill anybody at the festival. There is no single evidence No single witness saying anything like that. This is just like when you say that the tunnels in new york city were actually Child sacrifice sex trafficking tunnel. I didn't say that. Where did I say that? Where did I say that? Okay? Maybe it's not child. Uh, oh, okay. Let's see. Let's see that. Let's see what you said. Okay. Let me bring this up Let's see what you said your tweet about the tunnels is now I know for for Sure that these tall Talmudic tunnels were for child trafficking. These are your words about The the new york city tunnels where students of the haraidi jewish community Against the authorities of their own religious, uh, you know school Built a tunnel to expand their temple You interpreted that together with the neo-nazis as a child trafficking ring to abduct children and use and abuse Do you have proof that wasn't used for child trafficking? Wow What you want me to provide you want me to provide the proof where where where is the so it is true You'd pay because I don't have proof that shows that that proves that it's not Let's use your standards. Thank you for exposing yourself here right here So your conspiracy theory is true because I don't have proof to the contrary. Wow This is you see my statement was just this is what he could choose my statement was just facetious No, it's a possibility based on what judeism actually teaches This is what the mission at Torah the mission at Torah says that it's fine They could as orthodox or Hasidic Jews They could actually engage in the rape of three-year-old children and then kill the children. That's consistent with The mission at Torah which is why you made multiple tweets where you describe these tunnels as Talmudic tunnels Which are are they not Talmudic?  Are they not Talmudic tunnels? What are you talking about? What you said Talmudic tunnels for child. Can we call them Talmudic tunnels? What does Talmudic tunnels mean? It means tunnels built according to the rules of the Talmud and and Jewish law What what what are you talking about? Are there are there directions in the Talmud saying? Yes, you may build tunnels under this community to expand it against the wishes of your own Religious leaders. What are you talking about? What Talmudic tunnels? You described it as Here's a question for your credibility. This is what you are if you could if you if you had to get rid of One religion Christianity or Judaism Islam and you had to pick one Judaism or Christianity? Which would you get rid of neither? No, you have to pick one. Which one? Nope. That's a false Choice, I don't do it. It's a hypothetical. I'm I'm supposed to answer hypothetical questions Why can't you you can only get rid of one Judaism or Christianity?  Which one would you get rid of? Why can't you answer that question?    Can you If you had to if you had to get rid of one religion Judaism or Christianity, which one?  I answered your All right, let's go to It's okay. We know that we know that you can't alienate your Jewish donors, and you can't alienate your Christian donors You can't answer a simple question Everyone heard you Just smile and nod as I read about you know these these passages from the Talmud and the Mishnah Torah and the Shostan Aruch and the Let's go. We're over time. I hate to do this, but we got to jump into the q&a Oh, we had closing speeches I don't remember that. Let me check. Oh, you're right. Okay Five minute closing for apostate prophet first do want to do a couple of quick housekeeping things first folks Thanks so much for all of your support If you enjoyed this debate and you know of a friend or a group online where they would enjoy a controversial topic like this And a neutral debate platform like modern day debate hit that share button below Share this debate with them but that we're going to jump into the closing statements ap the floor is all yours so, um, I would say that it has been very much confirmed throughout history and also even in this debate today that It is the Islamic side that is unfortunately incredibly violent and hostile And that is that has an irreconcilable belief irreconcilable with with peace and mutual respect and tolerance Despite then I kick it to deflecting from it and um denying it Hamas leaders and I'm not saying anyone. I'm saying Hamas leaders including Fatih Hamad for example, who is who is the major propagandist in charge of al-Aqsa TV Which is the main broadcasting? Channel in Gaza He went out as recently as 2018 and said in four years brothers in four years We will rid Palestine of the filth of the jews And we will establish a caliphate from where we will lead the banner. This is what he would what the Hamas Propagandist said in the name of Hamas For many decades they have announced that their goal is to ultimately kill and eradicate the jews Despite making slight changes and differences in their, uh, english or you know international announcements in their charters Um, unfortunately, Daniel said here today making Creating lie after lie after lie making allegations without being able to back them up He said that idf mostly killed the israeli civilians. He had no evidence for that He said they killed civilians at the nova festival. He had no evidence for that He said uh that they came in with helicopters and you know attacked Their own civilians. He had no evidence for it. He said I spread the 40 beheaded baby story. No evidence Um, he said I claimed that Muslims are commanded to go out and kill jews everywhere strongman, I never did he This just goes on forever. I don't know. I feel like I asked for the whole closing statement But this open dialogue section was so telling that I think um it is pretty much concluded here that The question has been answered everybody has seen it And you know what? I am nothing but happy that Daniel actually agreed to this and allowed me To expose him for the liar the fraud that he is And for exposing islam for the violent and hateful ideology that he that it is And for exposing the palestinian side and hamas for the ridiculous stuff that it uh follows and promotes and also one final remark, um As you have just seen according to Daniel you can call You can say anything about everything out there as long as there's no proof to the contrary you can push any kind of propaganda He pushed a propaganda that jews built tunnels in new york city to abduct and have sex with children Um, and his response to that was well, do you have proof that it's not true?  So I will rest my case at that. Thank you We'll kick it over to Daniel as well for his closing statement for his all yours Um, can you just give me a 30 second warning? Sure Okay, so let's uh go to the closing statement here are Um, I need to share my screen though Ready. Okay. Here is an article from herrits that discusses how The idf did fire at the nova festival and they hit some revelers at the festival It also shows a military helicopter that fired a terrorist apparently also hit some revelers So the nova festival was targeted by the idf This is a herrits article that you can go and refer to and it's translated by google translate um evidence of uh, child rape happening in New york by american jewish people This is something that has also been reported on by vise the child rape assembly line that talks about how about 50 percent Of his acidic jewish boys have been the victims of rape by rabbis and other elder men within their community um examples of idf Actually raping uh palestinians. There are so many reports. We can't even show them all within a whole two hours But here here is just one example Um, here's another example field executions torture and threats of rape in gaza israel army replicates the crimes committed by zionist gangs In 1948 so all of this is par for the course for israel and the whole point of my argument was to say that these are not just Random acts of atrocities that are committed. This is actually based on the jewish religion And I pointed out three main doctrines of the jewish religion um that Creates these kinds of atrocities and this hatred for human life or non jewish human life actually The first doctrine is that jews believe Or the jewish religion teaches rather that jews are a superior race and that non jews Are not even human and in fact may have satanic souls This is not found in islam in islam if people are described as being the worst of creation It's based on their own actions and their choices that makes them evil or makes them bad But within judiism simply because of not being a jew You are therefore inferior in fact, you're not even human and you may be even satanic According to the zohar and other kabbalistic writings. So this is a clear difference between islam And judiism and even christianity and judiism the second doctrine the The second doctrine Is judiism preaches an apartheid system a racial apartheid system based on whether you're born a jew or not This kind of apartheid system has led to this actual apartheid within the state of israel where non jews are systematically discriminated against There was a big controversy when it was revealed that the israeli government was literally sterilizing Ethiopians within israel against their will so Ethiopians who have No clue of what they're being given by the israeli government in terms of medication It turns out that the israeli government was sterilizing them and this was reported in the guardian And you have many statements coming from rabbis within this conflict and even preceding it explaining how The even a million non-jews are not worth the fingernail of a jewish person This is the teaching of the talmud. This is the teaching of the mishnatora the shulchan aruch etc And the third doctrine within judiism that we discussed is that jewish law sanctions Genocide the killing of men women and children and infants it sanctions rape as a weapon of war Now whereas other religions In fact, the majority of them allow the taking of concubines including islam within judiism They have a specific doctrine where the jewish soldier can take a woman or child Into a deserted area rape that woman and child and then discard that woman or child through murder through killing This is sanctioned within judiism and we see many examples of soldiers who have engaged in this practice because they believe that they're religiously Allowed to do so there is no such teaching within islam and there are no confirmed reports of any type of this behavior within October 7th or thereafter on the part of palestinians So this is the difference between islam and judiism and this is why judiism is definitely the source Even for non-religious jews people who say that Well, daniel is only teaching us about judiism But that doesn't say anything about what israel does the majority of israel is religious The majority of israel are torah practicing jews or they believe that the torah and the talmud are valid This is this is the difference With that we're gonna jump into This was a little bit strange because he basically acted like it's an opening and presented new evidence As