Welcome to my audio summary of Lex Friedman's podcast with Walter Isaacson on Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Einstein, DaVinci, and Ben Franklin. Walter Isaacson discusses the impact of difficult childhoods on the lives of great individuals using Elon Musk as an example. Musk's turbulent upbringing and abusive relationship with his father have left lasting scars, but Isaacson believes that by harnessing these demons, Musk is able to take on riskier and more adventurous endeavors. Isaacson also reflects on his own role as an observer rather than a doer, emphasizing the importance of recognizing one's own demons and discovering one's strengths. Additionally, Isaacson discusses Musk's missions and his addiction to intensity, highlighting his empathy towards humanity. He also talks about the power of books to inspire and change lives, as well as the importance of visualization and end-to-end control in Musk's approach to manufacturing and product development. The discussion covers a range of topics, from the shift in mindset towards caution in industries like space travel to the humor and silliness of Musk. Midnight in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the impact of difficult childhoods on the lives of great individuals. He explains that while a difficult childhood is not a requirement for success, many driven people harness the demons of their past to fuel their ambition. He cites Barack Obama's statement that every successful person is either trying to live up to or live down their father's expectations or sins. In the case of Elon Musk, his violent and psychologically troubled upbringing, including incidents of bullying and berating by his father, have left lasting scars. Isaacson believes that by harnessing these demons, Musk is able to take on riskier and more adventurous endeavors. Five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson dives into Elon Musk's upbringing and the impact his father had on him. Isaacson highlights Musk's transformation from a scrawny kid who struggled with social cues to a taller, more confident teenager who learned to defend himself. He also delves into the complex relationship between Musk and his father, Errol, describing Errol's jekyll and high personality and the psychological abuse he inflicted on Elon. Isaacson reveals that Musk's mother and others have expressed concern that Elon may become like his father and he acknowledges Musk's self-awareness about his demons and dark moments. Isaacson also draws parallels between Musk's childhood experiences and the different facets of his personality ranging from engineering mode to demon mode. Additionally, Isaacson shares his own perspective, reflecting on his gentle and supportive upbringing, contrasting it with Musk's more turbulent upbringing. Ten minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson reflects on the differences between being a doer and an observer. He admits that he has had a fulfilling career as an observer, writing about remarkable individuals like Elon Musk and Leonardo da Vinci, but acknowledges that he has never taken the risks or achieved the feats that they have. Isaacson highlights the importance of recognizing one's own demons and harnessing them as well as understanding one's strengths and superpowers. He shares that his superpowered lies in observing people closely and writing about them in an engaging manner, while acknowledging that he is not cut out to be an executive in high-pressure situations like Musk. Isaacson's reflections serve as lessons for those with difficult childhoods, encouraging them to navigate their demons and discover their own unique talents. Fifteen minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses Elon Musk's addiction to intensity and his empathy towards humanity. He explains that Musk's superpower is not just being a good observer, but also having a big mission above the risk and drama. Musk's three big missions are to make humans a space-faring civilization, bring us into the era of sustainable energy, and ensure that artificial intelligence is safe and aligned with human values. Isaacson shares examples of Musk's frustration and impatience when minor engineering decisions prevent the accomplishment of his big mission. Despite being sometimes ridiculous, Musk's epic sense of his role in helping humanity is inspiring. Isaacson also reflects on how individuals who have faced struggles and pain can channel their experiences to achieve great things. He acknowledges the epic view of biography that shows how individuals can triumph over adversity and make a significant impact on the world. Twenty minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the power of books to inspire and change lives. He mentions Jennifer Doudna, a Nobel Prize-winning scientist who was initially discouraged from pursuing science by her school guidance counselor. However, her perspective changed when her father gave her a book on the discovery of the structure of DNA, showing her that girls can become scientists. Isaacson believes that books, whether they are comics or biographies, have the ability to inspire curiosity and creativity in individuals. He also highlights the stories of misfits like Einstein, who faced rejection and struggled academically but went on to revolutionize science with his groundbreaking discoveries. Isaacson's books aim to showcase the innovative thinking and resilience of individuals like Einstein, Doudna, Leonardo da Vinci, and Elon Musk in the hope of inspiring others to think differently and overcome challenges. Twenty-five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the remarkable achievements of Albert Einstein and Elon Musk, highlighting their ability to think outside the box and visualize solutions. Despite facing skepticism and opposition, both Einstein and Musk were able to revolutionize their respective fields through their unique approaches to problem-solving. Isaacson attributes their visual thinking abilities to slight handicaps they had as children, such as being left-handed or dyslexic. This visual thinking allowed them to challenge traditional norms and envision new possibilities. Isaacson also compares their thinking styles to those of other great thinkers like Steve Jobs and Leonardo da Vinci, emphasizing the role of visualization in their creative processes. Thirty minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses Elon Musk's approach to manufacturing and engineering. He emphasizes how Musk's end-to-end control and visualization of the entire production process sets him apart as a special innovator. Isaacson highlights Musk's insistence on having his designers located next to the assembly lines and factories, allowing them to fully understand the physics and manufacturing aspects of the products they design. By having control over the entire manufacturing process, Musk ensures that his vision is translated into physical objects with precision. Isaacson also mentions Musk's first principles thinking, where he removes unnecessary elements like radar from self-driving technology based on the belief that vision alone is sufficient for humans to drive. While Musk's optimism sometimes leads to missed deadlines, his commitment to first principles and end-to-end control allows Tesla to drive innovation. Thirty-five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses Elon Musk's approach to product development, specifically focusing on Tesla. Isaacson mentions Musk's obsession with building a robo-taxi and the challenges of creating a fully self-driving car. He explains how Musk initially relied on rules-based coding for self-driving capabilities but later shifted to an AI-based approach using machine learning and artificial intelligence. Isaacson also highlights Musk's willingness to change his mind and pivot as he encounters obstacles along the way. He compares Musk's approach to confidently exploring a dark room, adjusting and learning as he goes. Isaacson emphasizes the importance of being adventurous, having iterative brain cycles for feedback and accepting the inevitability of failures when taking risks. Forty minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the shift in mindset from risk-taking and innovation to a more cautious approach in industries like space travel. He mentions that there are now more referees and regulators discouraging risky endeavors. However, Isaacson agrees with Elon Musk's prediction that he will be remembered for real-world AI, specifically mentioning Optimus the robot and self-driving cars as significant advancements in this field. The discussion also touches on the power of words and language, the potential importance of the metaverse and Elon Musk's belief in living in a simulation. Isaacson humorously suggests that Musk may have been influenced by the book Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and its theory about the ever-evolving complexity of the universe. Forty-five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the humor and silliness of Elon Musk, highlighting how it served as a relief valve during dark periods. He describes Musk's explosive sense of humor and his ability to transition from dark demon mode to laughter by watching Monty Python sketches. Isaacson suggests that Musk's willingness to engage in absurdity and have fun is both a quirk of his personality and a fundamental aspect of a human-running multiple companies. Isaacson also acknowledges the craziness and impulsiveness of Musk, sharing examples like his impulsive trip to a conference before launching the Starship. While there may be a desire to tame his craziness at times, Isaacson believes that it is intertwined with Musk's drive and demons and that taking it away would compromise the fabric of who he is. Isaacson reflects on society's lack of celebration for the darker aspects of craziness and suggests that embracing the entirety of a person, including their faults, can lead to a more holistic understanding. Fifty minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson talks about a conversation he had with Steve Jobs during the launch of the iPad 2. Jobs mentioned that if he had been running Apple, he would have been nicer to everyone and treated them like a family. However, he also acknowledged that if he had been in charge, Apple might not have created the Macintosh or the iPhone. Isaacson compares Jobs' attitude to that of Elon Musk, who similarly believes in being brutally honest and not sugarcoating things. Isaacson reflects on his own management style when he was running CNN and admits that he didn't make the necessary changes that were needed.  Additionally, Isaacson discusses Musk's approach to building an all-in team at Tesla and the importance of psychological safety and commitment. He concludes by acknowledging that different people have different preferences for work-life balance and that companies may need different approaches based on their stage of development. Fifty-five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses Elon Musk's perspective on Twitter and his desire to make it more hardcore. Musk didn't like the sweetness of the Twitter brand and wanted something more intense. Isaacson highlights how Musk's intensity and preference for hardcore views influenced his decisions regarding Twitter, including changing the name and getting rid of the bird logo. Despite initial skepticism, Isaacson acknowledges that Musk's hardcore approach has led to new developments and innovations on the platform. Isaacson also mentions how Musk secretly bought shares of Twitter and considered joining the board, showing his continued interest and involvement in the company. One hour in this section, the transcript excerpt discusses Elon Musk's actions and mindset during the period leading up to the closure of the Tesla Twitter deal. Musk's behavior was described as mercurial as he went back and forth between wanting to get out of the deal and believing it would be an accelerant for x.com. Ultimately, he made his peace with the deal and even hatched a plan to save money by firing certain individuals after the markets closed. The excerpt also mentions the consideration of starting a new social media company from scratch, but it is noted that building a new company would have been challenging due to the large user base and the limitations of blockchain technology. One hour and five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the importance of Elon Musk's ability to build and manage great teams. He compares Musk to Steve Jobs, who believed that the best thing he ever created was the team behind his products. Isaacson praises Musk for his skill in bringing in talented individuals and sites examples like Gwen Shopwell at SpaceX and Drew Back at Tesla. While Musk may not be as much of a team collaborator as someone like Benjamin Franklin, he has a knack for attracting excellent talent. Isaacson also mentions that Musk's hiring priorities are based on excellence, trustworthiness, and drive, and he has a strong intuition for identifying the right people for his teams. One hour and 10 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses Elon Musk's approach to finding the right people and promoting them within his companies. Musk employs a skip-level meeting strategy where he meets with individuals one level below his direct reports to identify emerging talent. Isaacson shares an example of Jacob McKenzie, who was given the opportunity to lead the team building the Raptor engine for the Starship. Despite his unconventional appearance and monotone demeanor, McKenzie proved himself capable and Musk promoted him. Isaacson also mentions the importance of trustworthiness and Musk's leadership style and how it can be challenging to find loyal individuals. One hour and 15 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses how Elon Musk identifies loyalty and commitment within his companies. Isaacson mentions that Musk implemented a process where individuals would review internal Slack messages to determine if anyone had made negative comments about him. This was done to identify those who were deeply committed and loyal to the company. Isaacson notes that Musk's approach is unique and goes beyond what most people would do. He contrasts this with SpaceX, where loyalty is already assumed, especially since employees are required to live in a remote town like Boca Chica. Isaacson also touches on the topic of time management, comparing Musk's ability to rapidly switch between different tasks and topics to that of Steve Jobs and Ben Franklin. He describes how Musk can focus intensely on various issues throughout the day without getting distracted, allowing him to process information and make decisions effectively. One hour and 20 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses Elon Musk's time management style and its wisdom for productivity. He points out that Musk is a serial tasker who intensely focuses on one task for an hour before moving on to the next. While this level of focus may not be suitable for everyone, it highlights the importance of extreme focus and urgency in accomplishing goals. Isaacson also mentions that Musk's sense of urgency creates a vibrancy and richness in his approach to life, even in mundane tasks. However, he also acknowledges that not everyone is wired this way, and there are individuals like Leonardo da Vinci who excel in seeing patterns across many things. Isaacson concludes by emphasizing the need to appreciate different types of individuals and their abilities to savor success and moments of quiet. One hour and 25 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson reflects on the impact of individuals in shaping history, including figures like Sadat, Golda Mayer, Steve Jobs, and Elon Musk. He acknowledges the tendency of biographers to focus on individuals and even distort history by doing so, but he also believes that individuals like Jobs, Musk, and Einstein play a significant role in driving progress and innovation. Isaacson highlights how Musk's vision and relentless drive have transformed industries like electric vehicles and space exploration, emphasizing that without him, the world would not be on the same trajectory towards sustainable transportation and space travel. Isaacson predicts that Musk's passion for his work and his aversion to vacations make retirement unlikely as he thrives on the pressure and drama that come with his projects. Additionally, Isaacson mentions Musk's long-term thinking, exemplified by his discussions about Mars colonization and the governance structure of a Martian society. One hour and 30 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson, the author and historian, discusses the passion and future-oriented mindset of individuals like Elon Musk. He highlights how Musk's focus goes beyond immediate projects like building rocket ships or robotaxies. Instead, his real passion lies in creating a factory capable of producing a million cars a year. Isaacson emphasizes the importance of visionary thinkers like Musk in pushing the boundaries and inspiring others to pursue their passions. He also explains his own process of writing biographies, which involves understanding the minds of creative individuals and harnessing the power of storytelling to convey ideas. One hour and 35 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the importance of narrative and chronology in understanding and structuring information. He emphasizes the value of biographies and storytelling and mentions how these approaches were once looked down upon in academia. Isaacson also talks about his research methods, highlighting the significance of observing his subjects first hand and conducting interviews. He explains that while gathering interviews is relatively easy, he refuses to include anonymous quotes in his books, choosing to cite sources instead. One hour and 40 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the importance of listening and staying silent in order to get people to open up. He shares his experiences as a reporter and how he learned to ask simple questions and respect the silence. Isaacson also mentions that being naturally curious and genuinely interested in the answers helps build trust and allows for deeper conversations. He attributes his ability to make people feel comfortable enough to share their stories to his background as a newspaper reporter and his own personal demeanor. One hour and 45 minutes in this section, the conversation revolves around the art of having a good conversation, especially when it is being recorded. The guest, Walter Isaacson, mentions that genuine curiosity and an open mind are key elements. He refers to the teachings of Ben Franklin, who emphasized asking sincere questions rather than pushing one's own agenda. Isaacson also highlights the importance of active listening and giving credit to others' ideas. He compliments the host, Lex Friedman, on his genuine interests and believes that being interested in a wide range of subjects contributes to better conversations. However, he acknowledges the challenge of breaking through walls that some individuals have built due to personal or political reasons. Isaacson suggests disarming them by taking down their shields and offering comfort, citing his experience with Elon Musk as an example. One hour and 50 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses the importance of authenticity and trust when interviewing and writing about influential individuals like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs. He emphasizes the need for honesty and writing for the open-minded reader rather than worrying about how the subject might react. Isaacson also touches on the role of romantic relationships in the lives of great minds, highlighting the different dynamics Einstein had with his wives. While his first wife played a crucial role in his scientific work, their relationship was strained while his second marriage was more of a partnership of convenience. Isaacson suggests that sometimes what people need is simply a supportive partner to handle certain aspects of life. One hour and 55 minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson discusses his writing process and how he structures his books. He explains that he doesn't follow the conventional advice of starting the day with a hearty breakfast or writing in the morning as he prefers to write at night and breakfast isn't his favorite meal. Isaacson emphasizes the importance of narrative and creating a chronological outline for his books. He also talks about the process of telling a story and using anecdotes to convey his message rather than relying on transition sentences. When asked for advice on living a well-lived life, Isaacson suggests reading biographies to understand different ways of living. He also emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and examining one's motives and actions in order to make better choices in life. Two hours in this section, Walter Isaacson reflects on his experience as a manager and his realization that he is not suited for managing people. He describes his ambitious nature and how he achieved top positions in organizations like Time Magazine and CNN only to discover that it wasn't what he truly wanted. Isaacson then discusses the significance of contemplating death and how it can provide focus and meaning in life, referencing Steve Jobs and Elon Musk's perspectives on the subject. He emphasizes the importance of legacy and giving back to one's community, sharing his personal connection to New Orleans and his efforts to contribute to its recovery and growth. Isaacson believes that being part of a community and helping others is an integral aspect of one's legacy. Two hours and five minutes in this section, Walter Isaacson reflects on the idea of leaving a legacy and paying it forward. He references a line by T.S. Eliot about returning to the place where we started and knowing it for the first time. Isaacson emphasizes the importance of going back to one's roots and ensuring that others can have a similar transformative experience. He expresses his admiration for Lex Friedman's storytelling ability and acknowledges the impact Friedman has had on millions of people. Isaacson also thanks Friedman for taking him seriously and inspiring others with his stories. Finally, he quotes Carl Jung reminding listeners that true enlightenment comes from facing our own darkness.


Welcome to my name is Mansi and I am going to help you with the following question. The question says a solution of 8% boric acid is to be diluted by adding a 2% boric acid solution to it. The resulting mixture is to be more than 4% but less than 6% boric acid. If we have 640 litres of the 8% solution, how many litres of the 2% solution will have to be added? Let us into this question. We see that quantity of 8% boric acid solution given is equal to 640 litres. Now quantity of 2% boric acid solution added be equal to x litres then the total quantity of mixture is equal to 640 plus x litres. Now as the boric acid contains in the mixture should be more than 4% but less than 6% therefore according to the two given conditions first 8% of 640 plus 2% of x is strictly greater than 4% of 640 plus x and second is 8% of 640 plus 2% of x is strictly less than 6% of 640 plus x.  Now we see is 8% of 640 plus 2% of x is strictly less than 6% of 640 plus x or 8 into 6.40 plus 0.02 of x is strictly less than 0.06 into 640 plus x or 5120 plus 2x is strictly less than 3840 plus 6x or 2x is strictly less than 6x minus 1280 or minus 4x is strictly less than minus 1280 or x is strictly greater than 320. So from the solutions of inequalities 1 and 2 we conclude that 320 is strictly less than x which is strictly less than 1280 therefore required quantity is more than 320 liters but less than 1280 liters and this is also our answer to this question. I hope you understood the question and enjoyed the session have a good day.


Thanks for staying with us. It's still the breakfast on plus TV Africa right now We're looking at the fact that the court has stopped NBC from imposing fines on broadcast stations I guess this morning is mr. Shegoon shock with on chairman Accountability condor. Good morning and welcome to the program sir Thanks for having me Condor and transparency network. I know yes transparency watchword accountability transparency, okay now NBC has said okay, not NBC the court has said NBC cannot impose fines on Broadcast stations anymore. It used to be a very very worrisome thing But first of all, let me just hear what you feel about this new development I The logic behind it is simple and basic Even though I am not a lawyer. I know From my interactions with the legal process And from my interactions with my friends in that profession that one of the most fundamental natural laws of justice Fundamental is the right to pay Harry And I've been I've been told by my lawyers in many instances that the strongest of cases No matter how strong the case of maybe, you know, a prosecution or whatever might be it falls flat on its face if The person that is being accused of having done some sort of wrong Is not giving the opportunity to defend himself or herself, you know so this this right to pay her in is a fundamental principle in law and What happened what what we found as a culture in in lawmaking in Nigeria over the years is that? Regulatory agencies regulatory authorities law enforcement authorities Sometimes are given powers that actually Judicial powers they are given powers to adjudicate in a matter and rule on the guilt or otherwise of Parties that they're engaging with, you know, so it's not just the NBC So the same would apply to the Nigeria communications Commission, you know the central bank of Nigeria Even Agencies like last month federal city commission cases similar to this have been taken to court and the courts I remember there was a court ruling In this regard concerning last month rose safety, you know, that some a couple of years back where it was clearly stated that You as a law enforcement traffic control Institution cannot impose fines on people without a court If the declaring the guilt of those people, you know, and if you if you check what happens now with last month There are courts. They have either mobile costs that move around or they have courts in their premises So they take you if you if you if you Committed traffic offense. They will take you to that court They will impound your vehicle which even is illegal anyway But, you know, they take you to their premises and then you are made to face a court in most instances Those courts tend to turn out to be kangaroo courts But at least they they they maintain keep up the appearances of following the Properties of the rule of law, you know, so this same principle is what the NBC what the court has moved on Which regards to the NBC now and I think it's great. So Without that being in place what you find is that the NBC becomes all-powerful and Can you know just with by the simple wave of a pen? Actually, you won't take away the license of the broadcast organization and this is not healthy for democracy So I think this is a fantastic move towards deepening Democratic process, you know in Nigeria, of course, as you know the media the press the media electronic print Even the social media You can regard all of them put together as members of the 40th state of the realm and if you have a station where they cannot Conduct their business Without fear or favor then you are seriously undermining democracy And I think this ruling is a major step towards deepening our democratic experience as a country Stations subscribed to some set of laws Which was were set by the? NBC to regulate their activities So if you're you put pen to paper and say I accept it's like terms of agreements Which we don't read anyway, but terms and conditions that you have accepted that if I do this I'll be liable like this and that don't you think it's It's getting too far to say that they should never do this anymore. What will they use now to to To hold the people accountable for what they do the broadcast stations Yeah, I think it's an important point you make and and it's good for me to clarify I also know that there are media houses print electronic and otherwise that Go beyond their bounds and that acts irresponsibly that Put out news without confirmation for example without fake news that put out inciting material. We saw that Happen a lot during election cycles in this country 2015 2019 So absolutely there is a need to regulate there's a need for somebody for that to be some sort of body that will ensure that people conduct their businesses as they ought to within the rules and That guide that profession So the idea is that the you know people should just behave as they like But the idea is not that we should not should be able to like however What this ruling is saying and what I am saying in the process of agreeing with the ruling what I'm saying is The NBC cannot be the party that will declare the guilt of The early part party in this case, you know, so if a media house is the NBC believe that a media house Has has broken some of these codes and regulations they have to have some third party independent third party to adjudicate and Confirm that indeed in looking at the details of the events surrounding that man that the rules have been broken and Then once you now find that the rules have been broken That is when the fines that are imposed that are declared or the Defined in the court of conduct or in the you know in the in the laws Serving up the NBC can then be triggered.  You don't take the person if they somebody steals you catch even if you catch them in the act You don't just take them and take them to prison The law is clear that said that stealing is a crime murder is a crime But the law in saying that stealing is a crime a murder is a crime has also defined the punishment for stealing after murder You know So what will then happen is that the police will take that person to court and the court will declare the guilt or otherwise Of that party if the party is found to be guilty based on evidence presented then the the fines and Consequences declared in the law will then be imposed by the judge and I think that is what this judge is now saying So if the NBC believes that it's TV station or a newspaper or whatever as you know contraband its Regulations should take them to court and then the court will declare whether they're guilty or not If they are guilty that's fine that is involved in the court can then become applicable And it is the court that will even declare that fine So so I think the idea behind this is simple The NBC cannot be a law enforcement officer or a regulator and also be the judiciary That is declaring guilt or innocence, you know, so again, I say fantastic ruling It's great for democracy Well to answer what you're saying presiding judge justice Rita, you know when she did a better statement yesterday She said the NBC is not allowed to have administrative legislative and judicial powers I was a trinity So they're not allowed to do that but now doesn't that Kind of like limit them like in so many ways, especially for the fact that people say they don't really They can't really say the courts are credible That's where we are now in Nigeria. Sometimes you get in fact everybody goes to court But you just never know which way is gonna go and that the proper investigation will be done And the person who supposed to be on top will be on top. So is it possible that now? People go to court and they are not even credible because now that's what you're telling me that if someone, you know If there's an air in station or anyone They have to go to court and it's the court. That's you know, is the independent adjudicator here Can we even trust the credibility that even mr. Shagon said mr. Shokuton said that sometimes they go to court and these cuts are kangaroo cuts So I mean societies that function all over the world all of this was clearly defined and the Hope in all of these societies is that as you progress as a people You improve the functioning and the credibility of all your various institutions and the judiciary is not different So at the stage of our existence today We do know that things Judiciary that raises a lot of questions and raise a lot of dust and they give judgments that are Sometimes incredible, you know, they are completely illogical and even lawyers Professionals in the field will question some of those judgments, but unfortunately, we don't have any other place to go to We cannot therefore on the basis of that Resort to self-help. We cannot we can't resort to self-help. We still have to depend on the court So the the prayer will be that as we in the civil society space like the media rights agenda For example, that to this case support the prayer and the intention must be that as we are Holding Operators and regulators accountable law enforcement agencies accountable We must also buy the same measure and by the same token hold the judiciary accountable We must continue to demand that Judgments that are read out of judgments that are given Align with the spirit and the letter of the laws that on the basis of those judgments So they work you in the media must also continue to hold, you know, all of these players accountable You must, you know highlight and spotlight stories where something funny or to what seems to have happened So when we as a society collectively all all players within the society within the space begin to hold for example Judiciary accountable hopefully with time then things will improve. So you have been National judicial counsel, for example, we're supposed to adjudicate when the judiciary itself is found wanting You can write petitions, you know and go there and demand that, you know, do you know that judgments can be reviewed? We never really see, you know, anything being done about it. Most times you go to you go to, you know, a higher court and It's still the same Because Nigerians, as a culture, we still have a long way to go in understanding that we have rights that we can demand for We lead things to God too often Yeah, but my concern, okay a funny thing not my concern now A funny thing is that After the judgments of the various states that had cases in court Everybody was applauding the president that he didn't meddle into their face of the judiciary Like it is something that everybody was expecting that he goes there Influences judgments for the people that he likes that is where our judiciary is where you will be thanking a third party That should be independent of that the judiciary for for being independent I was just looking at it and it was a shame to me because why would you even mention the president? He's not in the first place supposed to meddle into their face of that But that aside, what would you propose as we wrap up now because time is really fast-paced as we wrap up What do you propose? Should be done. Should we have all these cases go to the regular court? Or should we have like something that is had in the in the sports Sector a court of arbitration for sports. I think the college CS Should we have something like that for the media or should we go to the regular courts to get these Problems or frictions between NBC and the media houses done I mean there are arguments on both sides of the divide, you know the arguments in support of having a special court The arguments in support of having a special court Usually revolves around the efficiency the fact that if you go to if you set up a special court Then cases can be heard much faster because they're not dealing with any other case So for example in the usual traffic violations the traffic caught the mobile traffic caught that is all they do So you get your judgment there and then you go in you present your case and right there and then the job You know, so that's that's an argument in support of special thoughts and you might say maybe that will work in this case however, I don't see any agency particularly in cases of Violations of the broadcast court and therefore I would suggest that these cases should be taken to regular courts and Such that you don't continue to create in a fish administrative Here we are talking about cost of governance, you know as a country So, you know if you set up a special court that comes with a whole baby of expenses For example, and so some might argue that yes, that's a necessary cost for speedy delivery of justice But I think that that can also be done if you use the Traditional but I think that what we should just do is to continue the the debate and the fight So for the credibility of our judiciary to continue to hold them accountable Continue to push all of the mechanisms that are available to hold them and ensure that they do what they're supposed to do We simply do not have enough Nigerians Writing petitions, for example Petition writing is a basic and standard thing in most societies that work But you never hear it here. If you write a person who want you are don't do it or if you do it, you know This might happen that might happen. So I think that just as a country We need to develop a culture where we are deliberating as just members ordinary members of society We're deliberately holding All of these agencies to account Okay. Well, this is where we'll wrap it up with you We thank you. Mr. Shagun Shokuton and happy new year is in order. Yeah, so we haven't seen you on the program the whole of this year The whole of this year. It feels good to say the whole of this year Happy new year to you Happy new year Thank you so much for being a part of the program today Okay, Mr. Shagun Shokuton is the chairman accountability condor and a transparency network Who was talking to us on the fact that the NBC? NBC's wings have been clipped that they cannot just habitually Find broadcast stations for any kind of violations This need to be taken to regular courts and then whatever is needed will be done This eventually is where we're wrapping up today's show a final word from you No final words Just be happy take take each day at a time It's the 18th of January So you still have time to still put all of your thoughts all of the ideas was we talked about ideas this morning and our port was The court basically was there's no shortage of remarkable ideas What's missing is the will to do them and that's my set garden So just make sure that you have that will to push for what you want Whatever you want you can achieve it So make sure that you have the will the goal the zeal to go out there and just put yourself out there and get all That's you guys are quiet for you. I'm buying her a microphone and make her a motivational speaker Well, that might be in order but maybe in a few years Okay, that's all from me. The stables of the breakfast on plus TV Africa. My name is Nyam Ghul Aghgaji My name is Rumeh Paulsen. We'll see you tomorrow. Thank you for joining our program today. Have a good day You