All right, folks, welcome on back here to our morning meeting. Of course, you can tell this is not Fausto. My name is Josh Levitin. For anyone that is new, perhaps I'm the senior instructor at Cybertrading University and Dagnin for Fausto this week. So great to see all of our students and members alike inside our live trading room. Grant, Lawrence, Michael, had Andrea just before. John, Kathleen, Mario, Steve. We got Alex, got a couple of Alex this year. Alex, Poe, Alex Pui. Great to see Jeff and Mark and Egan and all of us otherwise inside our live trading room or perhaps otherwise back on social media. I feel like I got much better lighting here this morning, my home office. Got the natural sunlight here this morning. So great to have all of us. Hey, if you're not following us just yet, make sure that you do so at Cybertrading.io on all of our social media streams and platforms out there. Actually a couple of little housekeeping notes to begin with that actually. So again, for anyone that's new joining us, welcome on a board, especially a member inside our live trading room. Hey, it pays to be a member inside our live trading room. So if you already came from one of our webinars from this past week where Fausto is doing more of an introductory today trading webinar, well, welcome on board. You have a boatload of education to go through with all of the workshops that we offer, with all of the activity inside our main chat board, our audio commentary coming up, beginning at the opening bell. But hey, coming up this week, just stay tuned for all of some social media at least at Cybertrading.io. As normal, we'll do an introductory today trading webinar hosted by Fausto later throughout this week. We'll be taking a little time to do that at least. But otherwise though, hey, tomorrow, Tuesday, as is always, we do our live workshop traders talk. So for any one of us inside our live trading room, just a little housekeeping as we always do, just feel free to shoot me over any early trade dude wanna go over, josh at ctutrading.com. Although obviously we have Thanksgiving here in the United States coming up on Thursday and Black Friday, half day at least in the market coming up to end the week. You know, hey, we have our weekly workshop traders talk that being tomorrow. But a big but. So that's normally what we do each and every week. But a big but here folks, coming up later on this afternoon at 1 p.m. Eastern time. Actually, make sure to follow us at Cybertrading. You will have this replay coming up later on this evening or tomorrow morning. But if you actually go to Bookmap, Bookmap's YouTube channel coming up at 1 p.m. Eastern time today, I'm actually tagging in for Fausto to do more of an intermediate based day trading type of webinar hosted by Bookmap. So again, make sure that you stay tuned for that. We'll post the link for that for Brad, Bill, Grant, all of our members inside our live trading room just so you can click the link and join there. That'll be at one o'clock. So again, we'll post the link in Cybertrude later on for that. But hey, on social media, definitely make a reminder of that. 1 p.m. Eastern, I'll be personally doing a webinar for Bookmap later on this afternoon. I look forward to it. So be going over a bunch of different trades, perhaps the CBIO being one of them. So to get to the at least pre-market and stocks if you're clawing out, heading into this opening bell here. Finally, CBIO ended up making another nice pop. Broke out at 8.30, beautiful push up. And hey, really quick, for all of our students inside our live trading room, little pop quiz, and I know it's early, it's not traders talk yet, but let me ask for long-time students like Brad, Mario, Grant, Bill, you folks definitely know, when a stock breaks above resistance and it runs off of it, we would like to think that resistance should initially become what? Support, all of us answering so fast in the chat and we're great to see Barbara, Gary, Ray, Grant, Mario, all of us just joining us here otherwise. So let's take a look at this trade here at least from level four, from Bookmap. Again, I'll be doing this more later on this afternoon today, but the stock ended up making more of a low volume breakout here. Maybe I just need to rush that up a little bit, brighten the lights a bit here on the heat map. So ended up making a nice little pop to begin, but where we ended up getting a nice little pullback is pretty much right here, around 113, 114. Didn't pull all the way back down to 110 at first, but the more this ends up building higher lows and especially with the VWAP price here in white, it took a little while, but eventually broke higher. And then again, ended up turning that resistance into support just a little while after. You can see this peak here at 135, went under, went over, and it popped back up a little bit more right now. So yeah, heading into this opening bell. Look what just popped up a second ago. Current time is 9.05. So this is hot off the press just less than two minutes ago. This order showed up for about 106,000 shares on the sell side. So talk about a game plan, right? Talk about, oh, where should we find resistance? Where should we expect to see a target? No guarantee, but now that that order out there, and if this continues to make higher lows as it has been, one plus one equals two, right? So look to sell under this resistance the closer it gets. Also watch out though. Like I said, I didn't wanna be transparent here. Just in the event where this order pulls and places lower if there's any funny business happening after we move away from the stock here, then just be mindful of that. But CDIO definitely great stock to start our morning off with. Students like Steve and Brad were in it from earlier, I believe. Who else was in this trade? Who else was in the CDIO trade at least from earlier? And it's poppy day 30 and then ended up just breaking out a little bit more. If you're in, I don't want to distract you. So I just want a little, just a little letter Y if you're in right now, Mario, Lawrence, Egan, John, Grant. There we go. Perfect, a lot of us actually. So what's the news out on this actually? I got a little time on my hands right now. Let's take a quick look to see the news out on this company from this morning. It's the IOPS, the next trade I was gonna get to. Okay, so CDIO looks like this came out at 8.30 right on the nose, Cardio Diagnostics. That's the name of the company. What do you think they do? They announced breakthrough in coronary heart disease detection with precision CHD test published in the journal of the American Heart Association. So that seems very reputable. And that ended up leading to a nice breakout early. So hopefully a lot more to come from where this came from but where you take a look at this, history repeats itself. Not just on the way up, but on the way down. And for as much as the stock pumped for us like two weeks ago, ended up coming right up towards 180-ish, 175 here around and splat right back down.  You toss an apple up in the air, it's gonna fall back down. And especially for as much as the stock pumps up, big trees fall hard. So this ended up dumping all the way back down basically like a 50% retracement. And for right now, trying to make a second go at it. So definitely good stock to start with and hopefully there's a lot more left on it. All right, so I will tell you though, really outside of like NVIDIA earnings this week, we finished up earning season folks, we're done with earning season. But I don't know why or how NVIDIA's scheduled like the day before Thanksgiving or like two days before Thanksgiving, little odd, but outside of that, there isn't a whole lot out there that we're expecting.  So with that being said, I don't think that there's a whole lot going on throughout this week. We're off Thursday, we've got the half day Friday where obviously we'll be up and running here. But if you've made your money early, going into the week or going into Friday even, I wouldn't really suggest to try and risk it. So with that said, let's go from top to bottom here, see if there's any good stocks that can make our list, join the CDIO, C-U-E-N, what goes up comes back down, right? Like I just said before. So ended up seeing this pull right back down after the initial pop, Rich called that out. I saw it right away and it was like pop and drop and you know what he means by that. So ended up dumping all the way back down, game over. Same to be said here, NEPT. And I'll tell you, he may have said it at NEPT also or instead of C-U-E-N, it just both, right? No, we tend to deal with this type of stock so frequent inside our live trading room, you gotta know your expectations. All right, so let's see, just skimming down this list right now, more of a gap up slash pop and then it just pulled back as well, M-N-O-V. There was one stock earlier I was a fan of, this S-U-P-V doesn't look terrible. It's up 25% cheap stock. It's just low volume, it looks like, kind of low or small liquidity out there on the order book here in pre-market. And you'd hope to see it fill in once the market does open up, but you'd rather jump to a stock that you've seen trade before, a stock that has run in the past and a stock that actually done well in pre-market then by the time the market opened up at 9.30, the order book does fill in on the trade and that here is IOVA, that's where I was calling it out just earlier. You know, just nice little move up at the time but I did say inside our live trading room, it has small volume on the book at the time. I do think this will fill in though at 9.30. So for that reason, I don't mind slipping this IOVA on our watch list as well. Let's see what the news is out on this trade. So yeah, from early this morning, 446 Eastern time, the crack of dawn, I was not up that early. I was running this morning, I was out for a nice run this morning, got that sunlight in the eyes, it was good, but I wasn't up that early. Goldman Sachs initiates coverage on IOVA with a buy rating announced at price target of $12. Ooh, okay, so when is it gonna get to 12? Well, obviously you know my thought on that, if you're a longtime student of CTU, we do these price targets all the time, don't hold your breath, simple as that. Don't hold your breath waiting for 12 bucks on this trade. But it's up 9, 10% right now in pre-market, definitely good stock here. And again, like I said, my hope more than anything, and I'm willing to risk it here, I think that we'll see the order book fill in more at the open, making this a lot more tradable.  Cold SMR, this XPEV trade is like a sideless stock, but you tell me folks, what's the trend on this thing right now? And I'm not trying to toss a curveball question to you with that right there. It's flat. You know, a lot of these Chinese stocks will look to gap up overnight as the China markets are moving overnight there. And you know, with that said right now, it's more exhausted out here at this point because these are listed on the US market, although they are Chinese equities. Interesting news, I will say, I saw this actually come out this morning. I don't think it's doing too much right here, but Lee, it's actually up the least compared to all the other Chinese media companies there, Neo and XPEV. But there was some report that came out, I saw this that Lee, quarter three sales, I think outgrew or raised more, they sold more than Tesla, the China department, not overall, not overall, not overall. But if you're talking like Tesla, what is sold in the China market versus Lee auto, what is sold in the China market, Lee actually outsold Tesla in the third quarter there. I would have thought it would have had more activity compared to the other two at least. So this isn't doing jack right now. So yeah, I'm going to pass on this year as well. It's up like 0.4%. All right, so if there's anything else looking good folks on the way up, definitely let me know.  So it wasn't really seeing too much out there. SGD, big trees fall hard, we know that. PXMD, same deal, C-A-U-D. I tripped this up in my eyes. I thought this was the C-U-V-E-N already. I was like, holy, did this just drop all the way down? Different stock, but obviously another very similar story where we called the stock out a few weeks back, pop and drop off. It's like essential IPO and yeah, nasty trade. All right, so hey, you toss it to me folks. Let me know if there's anything else looking good. We got a little chat issue inside the live trading room, Lauren. So mainly with the private chat feature, but if it's translating towards the main chat board, then we're already on it. Actually, we had messaged the host for our room and they're taking care of it. They're looking to take care of it right now. So hopefully sooner than later. Hopefully sooner than later. Vinny on Facebook, great to see Vin here saying C-U-E-N. Yeah, that one earlier, right?  So now as we get back to all the other losers that we kind of went over already, this has a good book. So for that reason, does it hurt us to put this on our main list now when we only have two on the special list? No, it doesn't hurt us. Just what's the direction though? You know what the direction is right now. Can't fight the direction. So you gotta see this build higher lows over time and from there we'll be good at that first water break all day, actually not water. That is black tea right there. I got a nice cup of black tea, a nice cup of shillage actually if you're knowledgeable of that, actually very good for you. But with that though, folks, let me know if there's anything else looking good for me here and all this otherwise. Barbara with maybe, this could be an OTC stock, VRSSF. Yeah, OTC. So the OTCs we just simply kind of avoid. We don't really look to follow up as much. Ah, there we go. Lawrence, all fixed. Talk about quick. Geez. All right, so it looks like I guess we're good to go. If anyone has any issues, I'm sure Rich will be able to work with you in the chat otherwise as I do the audio. All right, so last call, folks. I'm gonna just take a look at Benzinga probe before we wrap it again, a couple of housekeeping notes. Fausto out all week.  Happy Thanksgiving. No, I'm teasing of course. But with that though, Fausto will be on this week though doing our typical introductory to day trading webinar. So make sure that you are followed up on all of our social media channels at CybertradingU, X, Twitter, YouTube, et cetera. And then on top of that, again, stay tuned at one PM Eastern time. Make sure you're on Bookmaps YouTube channel. We'll actually be broadcasting it ourselves afterwards, but make sure that you're on Bookmaps YouTube channel at one PM Eastern time today. I'll be tagging in for Fausto doing a nice intermediate day trading presentation. So looking forward to chatting with Bruce Pringle and the fine folks at Bookmap coming up in just a bit. Now, lastly here, I had this up for a reason. Just kinda lower the volume criteria there and I got GDC, the only thing looking at least somewhat popping and that's it. Not terrible. I mean, moving up a little bit, just the order book is so scarce, right? I just, you gotta see this fill in a lot more. And with that, I feel more like IOVA will have a better chance at doing that.  I think this will have an ugly crash landing eventually. But what's the direction? Can't fight it. It's up big, really quick. If there's news out on it, that'll definitely make me put this on our watch list. Like if there's a catalyst out on it. Yeah, yeah, there is. Looks like there's news. At eight o'clock this morning, some news came out the stock. GDC unveils its transformative and photorealistic AI-driven digital human technology on TikTok. Well, I'll tell you what, if they're trying to get some SEO out of this headline, holy smokes, they got it. Give me a second here. I'll pop this up for you. If they're trying to get some good SEO out there, like some hot keywords, get some people like looking it up, and they're doing the job. So actually for that reason, I like it. And I somewhat mean that too. I mean, when you think about like the sectors that pop, like Bitcoin, whenever there's any stock that comes out in Bitcoin news, it makes a pop whenever Bitcoin's high. Anytime there is something out of COVID, back in the pandemic and all that stuff. Same thing, anything with EV as the EV stocks are popping a little while back, now they're dumping off. But just with that though, photorealistic AI-driven, that alone, digital technology on TikTok, social media platform, obviously catering to a younger audience there. But you know what? Hey, I think that a lot more folks are gonna look to see that headline and then look to trade it from here. So I like, I'll put this on a list. Mark asking thoughts on BMY, looking for a dead cap balance. We shall take a look. One of our long-time students, Mark asking that here. Down 4%, not only down 4%, 4.5% for a dead cap balance. If you're talking down 30%, especially for a more expensive stock like this, then you'd have me sold right away. For 4.5%, again, it's expensive. Could you get the half dollar on it? Can you get the 50 cents on it? Maybe, but it's coming off bad news. So let's focus on the downward trend first, especially with it not being down as much. Like when AMC was down, God knows how much, you know, a couple of weeks back. Fausto had that on the watch list, especially because there was a pretty big iceberg on the buy side. There was nice support there to show for it. And again, it was down more percentage-wise, where maybe there's a better chance you can get that sharper, short squeeze up. And then obviously it crashed back down anyway. So, you know, I know Mark knows that part. What goes up will come back down, especially here for something coming off bad news. I just think that you'd want to see it down more percentage-wise, and that's it. All right, so folks, hey, again, just stay tuned for all of us inside our live trading room. I will be back on myself solo mission here and throughout this week, actually at 9.30 Eastern this morning. Looking forward to it. Again, we'll be back on social media later on this afternoon at 2.30, right here for the afternoon meeting as normal. So stay tuned for that. But again, at 1.00 PM Eastern, actually go right to Bookmap and their YouTube channel. So, if you're not subscribed there already, they have great education all around, and I'll be doing a presentation coming up at 1.00 PM Eastern, tagging in for Fausta. So I look forward to it. I look forward to seeing you there. And I look forward to seeing you inside our live trading room, perhaps as well. If you're not already there, scan that QR code on the top left, get you access to our live trading room for a full week. But for later, Mark, Michael, John, Gary, and Barbara, the tongue is not tied this morning. Looking forward for a full hour of trading here with you folks coming up in just a little bit. Take care.


Hey, big question for you right now. Pay attention, buckle up, get some popcorn and take some notes. Today, I'm gonna talk about what's the number one mistake? The number one, numero uno. What's the number one mistake that new insurance agents make? I would say that there's probably hundreds of thousands of new insurance agents, and I could be off, right? Don't quote me, but there could be that many new insurance agents that are starting over a three-year period, probably true, every three years. And what happens is 92% of insurance agents fell in their first three years. So on interest agent training, welcome back. I wanna talk to you today about what I believe is the number one mistake that new insurance agents make and why you don't have to make it, why you shouldn't make it, and why I'm giving you the confidence to opt out of making this mistake. And I'm telling you ahead of time because I want you to know and more people need to know what they're doing. They need to be self-aware and they need to be ready because two people fell in this business already. So today, I'm gonna drop some bombs on you, and we're gonna talk about the biggest mistake insurance agents make, which is drum roll please. Are you ready? Are you ready? What do you think it is? Before I tell you, we're gonna play a little game. Put it in comments below right now, I wanna know.  What do you think it is? What do you think is the number one mistake? Bear with me, put it in comments. I promise you're gonna wanna hear the answer. Don't tune out, but put a comment in right now, okay? And then we may pick a comment that we like the best and do something for them, okay? I'm waiting. Put it in comments below. Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready for the answer? Put it in comments below. What is the number one mistake that new insurance agents make? What do you think it is? I believe that new insurance agents make the mistake of, are you ready? You're ready, aren't you? The number one mistake insurance agents make, I believe is that they think that they need to know everything before they do anything. What do I mean by that? Most new insurance agents feel like, okay, I don't know insurance real well. I need to study the products. I need to study the carriers. I need to study pricing. I need to learn everything about sales. Somebody's got to, I gotta shadow someone for a day before I'll know what to do. Someone needs to teach me how to read off of a script. That doesn't even make any sense, does it? That's why I said it. I don't know what the text leads when I get them. I don't know where to start with prospecting. I don't know what to do. I'm just not sure. And when you're not sure of yourself, your confidence diminishes and lowers. So what I wanna talk about really quick is why I think that putting forth activity is more important than product knowledge, carrier knowledge.  Thank you, okay? That's what I said first. I said, thank you. Don't stop watching, keep watching them. You're gonna like the rest. But what they said is you're wrong when I said price is irrelevant. They said, you know what? Our compliance team said that that's not okay. Price is what's most important and everyone needs to be able to afford it and everything else. Yeah, but if the lowest price was the only thing that mattered, then that carrier would be out of business because that carrier is never the lowest price in any perspective at all, okay? Which is the same thing to be said for an insurance agent. You're never gonna know everything about a carrier. You're never gonna know everything about a product. You're never gonna hear everything about sales. You're never gonna be perfect on the phone.  You're never gonna be amazing. You're never gonna be perfect at being a know-it-all of everything. You're never gonna be able to spend one year with the most senior best agent in the world and follow them forever. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're never going to be perfect. It takes 10,000 hours to master something, so just do. As Nike says, just freaking do it, man. Most people fail because they did not do enough. I think the biggest mistake new insurance agents make is they think, we get in our head. I don't know what to do. I can know everything before I do anything. I don't know what to do and I'm not ready. I'm not sure and I'm not confident myself. I don't know what to do and I'm not sure and I'm not ready. Just do. Just take action. Just go see somebody. Just ask someone to buy. Just make the call. Text somebody. Door knock somebody. Write a war market script. Go meet with 100 people this month. No thing else matters. You can learn along the way. You'll learn product knowledge. There's still a lot of products I don't know everything about and guess what? I don't care. There's still a lot of carriers I don't know the ins and outs of. Doesn't matter. I'm never gonna sell the lowest price of anything ever. It's just not gonna happen because there's always gonna be something better or cheaper or whatever. I'm never gonna be the greatest salesperson on planet earth. Now do I think I'm one of the top on our industry apps are freaking literally but there's always gonna be someone that's better probably because I'm not out there selling insurance all day every day anymore. But what I do know is if I worried about what you guys thought of me on camera and if I worried what I said and if I didn't take 42 hours to study for every show and every video and for the conference, we spent a decade planning it instead of just jumping in the freaking deep end and doing it, then guess what? I wouldn't be, we wouldn't get anywhere. We wouldn't have tens of thousands of agents who watch our stuff all the time but because we take action and we jump in and we do it, that's what happens. So what also happens is when you're not just doing it and jumping in and going after it and doing everything you can, that's what also happens for you too. So the biggest mistake new insurance agents make and I wanna know your comments below. A lot of you are gonna disagree with me. I think that's fantastic, I think you should and I think you should let me know in comments how much you actually disagree with me and that's what I love. But it's not gonna change my opinion because new insurance agents think they didn't know everything before they do anything and it's a problem, it's false and you need to know, you don't even know anything before you do anything.  This can be a quick show, short show because I need you to know that it doesn't have to be long. It can be short straight to the point and you can get it all right now, okay? But I need you to remember that most insurance agents fail because they think they didn't know everything. That does not have to be you. You don't have to know everything. I want you to be successful, not perfect. Remember that, I want you to be successful, not perfect. No successful person ever was perfect. Michael Jordan missed. Kobe Bryant I believe has like the most missed shots in NBA history ever because he freaking took them because he didn't perfect his jump shot before he started chucking the ball. He had five air balls in his first, one of his first playoff games ever. He had five air balls. Guess what? He kept shooting. You don't have to know everything to be great. You just have to go and do. So commit, take some action. The rest of 2019 this week and the rest of 2020 do what you don't wanna do. Successful people do it, unsuccessful people are unwilling to do. Most people are uncomfortable. You're probably uncomfortable, but guess what? You need to be uncomfortable to be successful. Go do, take some action. Let me know in comments below what you think. And when you are successful, because of this freaking video right here, come back and let me know how much it helped, okay? Thanks for watching today's training. Have a phenomenal week.


Baiklah. Terima kasih. Terima kasih, Roland. Jadi, selamat malam, semua. Terima kasih kerana menunjukkan. Ini adalah ketiga masa yang kita telah mencari sebuah sesuatu. Jadi nama saya Harish, Harish Pillay. Saya dari perspektif ISOC, saya bersama ISOC Singapura, Internet Society Singapura. Saya adalah Presiden Pasar Yaudah. Sekarang saya cuba melakukan sesuatu yang berkaitan dengan ITF. Interes dan peluang-peluang dan sebagainya di Singapura kerana ada sesuatu yang sangat baik yang kita dapat. Yang adalah mesyuarat ITF di Singapura pada November 2017. Jadi, untuk melakukan itu, ia baik untuk mempunyai orang di Singapura yang melakukan sesuatu dari prosesi ITF dan sebagainya. Jadi, itu sebabnya kita melakukan ini. Dan untuk... Anda boleh masuk. Jadi, apa yang kita cuba mencapai adalah mempunyai sebuah series di mana kita akan mempunyai, hari ini saya akan melakukan sedikit lebih terkenal kerana banyak lagi orang baru di luar. Tapi saya ada Cennam juga di sini yang telah mempunyai pengalaman dan membuat beberapa RFC-nya sebelumnya. Jadi, dia dapat berkongsi dengan kita beberapa nuancar di sebagainya dan sebagainya. Kita ada sebuah sesuatu yang akan datang hari ini, malam... Tidak, sebab hari ini bukan hari ini. Jadi, hari ini malam pada pejabat reda sebab tidak ada lagi. Tapi itu akan lebih seperti kerja untuk sebenarnya melalui apa yang Cennam akan bercakap tentang keputusan. Jadi, bagaimana saya memperbaiki RFC dan sebenarnya melakukan itu dan sebagainya. Dia akan beritahu apa yang kita cuba lakukan. Jadi, itu sebuah objektif untuk sesi hari ini. Jadi, dengan segala maksudnya, jika anda ada pertanyaan, bagaimana anda akan berhenti? Jadi, apa yang akan saya lakukan? Saya akan melakukannya sedikit lebih cepat sebab saya rasa saya ingin mempunyai masa dan sebagainya. Jadi, kita telah memperbaiki dan berkongsi bagaimana untuk menjadi champion IETF tetapi, ini sebenarnya sebuah keputusan. Itu yang kita cuba lakukan. Saya cuba keputusan dan keluar dengan banyak orang yang mungkin. Pertanyaan pertama di sini adalah, bagaimanakah anda pernah menulis RFC yang kita menulis oleh IETF? Dan bagaimanakah anda memahami apa yang anda menulis? Dan bagaimanakah anda memahami, memahami dan memperbaiki? Bagaimanakah anda memahami, memahami dan memperbaiki? Dan kami menulis. Dan kami menulis selepas menulis. Anda berkata, ini tidak akan berfungsi. Kenapa anda ingin menulis sesuatu? Saya tidak tahu. Atau menulis dan beritahu. Baiklah. Baiklah. Jadi, kita ada seseorang yang telah membuat beberapa perjalanan. Tapi perkara ini, ia boleh menjadi sebuah proses belajar jika anda tidak pernah melakukannya. Jadi, salah satu perkara yang kita cuba menulis dengan sesuatu ini adalah untuk pertama memperkenalkan siapa yang berminat. Dan anda melalui proses membuatnya. Dan kita akan mempunyai sesuatu mentos untuk membantu kami. Mentos akan berada di luar daripada di sebuah dunia. Jadi, memperkenalkan perjalanan kita atau perjalanan mereka atau sesuatu di antara. Dan memperkenalkan proses ini. Sekarang kita ada orang yang telah membuat sesuatu. Jadi, mereka juga boleh menjadi mentos untuk ini. Jadi, ia adalah perjalanan yang mereka cuba melakukan hari ini. Jadi, cepat-cepat saja. Bagaimana ITF? Ia adalah sebuah perjalanan yang membantu membuat internet cara ini hari ini. Jadi, jika anda mempunyai masalah dengan cara internet berlaku, ini adalah perjalanan yang anda mungkin mahu memperkenalkan. Tetapi, lebih penting, jangan hanya memperkenalkan, memperkenalkan perjalanan. Dan anda boleh memperkenalkan perjalanan. Semua jenis perjalanan lain di seluruh dunia tidak mempunyai peluang atau tidak memperkenalkan peluang untuk anda sebagai individu untuk memperkenalkan perjalanan. Perkenalkan bermaksud anda mempunyai modifikasi, mempunyai perjalanan baru, mempunyai pengalaman, mempunyai sesuatu dan sebenarnya memperkenalkan dan memperkenalkan, memperkenalkan dan memperkenalkan. Semua jenis perjalanan lain di seluruh dunia, termasuk seorang di Singapura, jenis perjalanan IT di Singapura, mereka semua mesti mempunyai sesuatu jenis peluang. Apabila saya katakan peluang, ia mesti mempunyai perjalanan kawasan kawasan kawasan atau perjalanan kawasan kawasan untuk anda, dan sementara itu, anda boleh memperkenalkan. Jika tidak, anda tidak memperkenalkan. IETF, bagaulah, memperkenalkan kepada semua kami. Untuk kita, anda mempunyai perjalanan kawasan, perjalanan, anda tidak mempunyai apa-apa, ia tidak penting, ia adalah tempat untuk bermula, dan kami memperkenalkan anda dan memperkenalkan anda dan memperkenalkan sesuatu untuk membuat perjalanan internet lebih baik. Jadi, ia adalah jenis perjalanan teknikal. Ia adalah jenis perjalanan. Ia bukan tempat yang anda datang dan mendengar berbicara. IETF itu tidak. Anda sebenarnya memperkenalkan perjalanan. Memperkenalkan kawasan, memperkenalkan speks, apa-apa yang perlu diperkenalkan. Okey, mari kita lihat. Jadi, membuat perjalanan internet lebih baik dengan membuat perjalanan tinggi, perjalanan teknikal. Ini sebenarnya perkara yang penting. Perjalanan teknikal. Mungkin, perjalanan yang sudah saya telah membuat sebelumnya di IETF. Ia tidak boleh menjadi perjalanan hari ini. Semua kita memperkenalkan dan, saya harap, masih memperkenalkan e-mail. Sekarang, perjalanan yang e-mail diperkenalkan dengan, ada banyak keputusan. Satu daripada mereka, ia dipanggil RFC 822. Tekniknya, ia diperkenalkan. Ada e-mail 822 yang memperkenalkan e-mail. Tapi, e-mail 822 masih ada. Ia ada sebuah nombor sekarang? Apa-apa pun yang nombor ada sekarang. Saya terus lupa nombor. Tapi, ia berkembang. Saya rasa, nombor standar sekarang dalam range 7000, range 7000 atau 8000, ada nombor yang ada sekarang. Jadi, nombor standar lama tak berlaku. Mereka tak berguna. Mereka hanya duduk di sana. Jadi, anda ada perkara historikal yang anda boleh lakukannya dan ia sangat menarik. Jadi, nombor standar ini adalah untuk membuat kekuatan yang baik, yang akan mempunyai cara orang memdesain, menggunakan dan memperkenalkan internet. Jadi, ia semua tentang internet. Jadi, jika anda rasa anda perlu memastikan internet berfungsi untuk anda dan sesiapa saja yang anda perlu memastikan. Ini tempat untuk bermula. Okey? Contribusi anda selalu selalu selamat datang. Jadi, beberapa perkara yang anda tahu jika anda tak pernah mengetahui apa yang internet berlaku seperti DNS, nama domain. Jika anda pernah mempunyai nama IP untuk pergi ke sesuatu tempat, itu sebab anda mungkin melakukannya pada masyarakat anda. Tetapi, apa-apa sistem lain, anda akan mempunyai nama dan anda akan mencari tempat yang anda mahu pergi ke. Jadi, semua orang menggunakan itu. Jadi, apa-apa yang kita mahu lakukannya? Kita mahu memastikan percayaan yang berlaku di internet. Jadi, banyak perkara yang masih berlaku tak berlaku atau tak berlaku dengan baik-baik. Mereka perlukan kerja yang lebih berlaku atau sesuatu seperti itu. Jadi, kemampuan, kemampuan, ini semua perkara yang kita perlu buat lebih banyak kerja. Jadi, ini tempat yang anda boleh memastikan sesuatu. Okey? ITF juga berlaku dengan organisasi lain yang berlaku dengan tempat ini, seperti W3C. Kami memiliki konsultasi web dunia swipe merah dunia bullish. Jadi, para orang-orang yang membuat kemampuan HTF untuk mencari bahan. Jadi, mereka memupuk. Jadi, mereka kan mengemas berita-tita. Jadi, mereka memposes săkut dan memastikan bentuk ITF yang boleh memalukan W3C. Jadi, terdapat dan tetap. Jadi, kita cuba menggemar. Ya, ITF tak pernah membuat video dan kodex. dan kenapa itu penting? Kerana banyak kodex yang anda perlu menggunakan untuk video dan audio dilengkapi oleh pakaian atau isu menggunakan dan sebagainya, itu menjadi suara Jadi, IETF menyebabkan dan membuat dua kodex, satu untuk audio dan satu untuk video dan saya rasa yang paling banyak untuk hari ini mempunyai ini Opus apakah ia disebut Opus? Opus kodex. Opus kodex, betul? Ia dari skib. Ia berubah dari skib. Jadi, perkara seperti itu. Jadi, ada keadaan yang dibuat untuk menerima beberapa masalah yang kita melakukan kerana kita perlukan. Pada akhirnya, internet berlaku kerana ia berlaku. Berlaku berlaku berlaku adalah anda harus mempunyai beberapa implementasi yang sama. Itu apabila ia berlaku. Jika ada seorang yang mempunyai, itu bukan berlaku berlaku. Ia hanya ialah implementasi dia. Jadi, berlaku berlaku adalah botong-bottongan sejujurnya. Jadi, perkara seperti itu, sangat penting untuk berlaku. Jadi, audio dan video. Dan sebenarnya, ini semua berlaku kerana web. Kerana anda melihat gambar yang saya mahu dengar. Ia MP3 atau apa yang ia? Dan anda perlu melalui net dengan kemungkinan yang tidak berlaku. Anda mahu... Jadi, mana yang anda perlukan? Apa yang berlaku dengan audio? Dan sepanjang banyak kerja. Ini sebenarnya sangat recent. Bila itu? Saya rasa 2-3 tahun lalu. Bagaimana dengan Oppos? Itu lebih dari 2 tahun lalu. Video adalah di sebuah cara kerana video adalah sebuah 5G. Ya, mereka menyebabkan itu dengan VPA. VPA adalah VPA. Kerana 5G ini menerima minit untuk anda. 5G ini menerima minit 729. Jadi, itu sebabnya... Jadi, ada banyak kemungkinan di sini. Ya. Okey. Jadi, apa yang anda katakan untuk membawa sebuah perkara yang lain? Bagaimana anda menyebabkan perkara yang lain? Ya. Dan perkara yang penting yang anda lakukannya, tetapi ia adalah perkara yang yang kita lakukannya. Ia MP3. Ia mempunyai tinggi yang tinggi. Anda boleh pergi untuk perkara yang sangat tinggi, tinggi kemungkinan yang tinggi, dan anda boleh menerima sekitar 6 atau 8 kW per sekitar. Atau cara yang tinggi untuk kemungkinan tinggi... Tidak, ini untuk radio ham. Saya minta anda menyebabkan perkara yang lain. Sudah tentu, anda akan menyebabkan perkara yang lain. Tidak, saya tidak menyebabkan perkara yang lain. Okey. Apa yang dikenalkan dalam membuat perkara yang penting untuk menyebabkan perkara yang penting? Sebaik hari yang saya mahu untuk menyebabkan perkara yang penting yang anda lakukannya. Kerana tak ada perkara yang penting. Saya minta anda menyebabkan perkara yang lain. Apakah perkara yang anda inginkan? Apa yang dikenalkan? Berapa lama anda akan menyebabkan perkara yang lain? Jadi jika anda telah buat perkara yang lain. Saya rasa saya hanya mengenai perkara. Kerana saya rasa mereka melakukan perkara yang lain. Sebelum sejak beberapa tahun itu mereka hanya membuat perkara yang lain untuk berkongsi apabila mereka boleh berkongsi. Ya. Ya. Sebelum saya akan mula menyebabkan perkara yang lain. Ya. Apa yang anda inginkan? Berkongsi. Pernah saya beritahu anda mungkin ada enam bulan sepanjang tahun. Ya. Baiklah. Sebaiknya, ia bermakna anda menyebabkan perkara yang anda inginkan. Makan kebanyakan keadaan yang menerimanya untuk mengeluarkan orang yang tidak terlalu berguna. Jika mereka tidak dapat mengeluarkan, maksud saya berjaya. Ya. So, assume that, right? So, yeah, it's six months to a year. It's probably what you need. And that's part of the design goals of IETS, so to speak. In the sense that you want to be making it quick. You don't want it to be languishing in committee after committee. No, it is working code. Ya, so I'm just sort of outside of the particular problems that E-mark had. And sort of, Emi said more broadly in, if I work in as a collaborator, we'll be couple guys who are building an open codec. Even low bit rate for the purpose. Ya, or specific purposes, why not? Ya, so it's primary and digital, but ya, it's a specific purpose low bit rate for its codec. So, I will probably guess something like this. If you start today, okay, if you craft up a draft, get it mentok by somebody just to make sure we cover the basis. You know, give it a week for that. Put it onto the mailing list, get people to start commenting on it. Maybe find a group, working group or working area, what do you call it? The area directors, one of the groups if necessary. Ya, so I agree. So there are ways, there are guides, so to speak, to help you find the right area to put it through. So you can go as quickly as the next ITF meeting, which is, when is it again? June, July in Berlin. We're talking about few months from now. Now, if you couldn't make it by then, the next one in November, which is in Seoul. So, you know, so I would say it can be quick. Ya, my concern is how to, but typically if you want to start something like that, typically the first meeting, you'll call it a bird of a feather. Ya, above. At the first meeting, usually. Ya, ya, so that's sort of the other half of the problem. The, this area in particular, is so over, paint plan, so colour tune is nice. Okay. One area where there is a, we give them a potential pattern, it's kind of work for that group, that's published, and they're in that group. So, the point is, I think, for the purpose of what we want to do, we will come to that. There are issues that we need to address as part of the standards making process. Ya, but the difficulty is, it's currently a small collaboration. Okay. It makes sense, it makes sense when you've got reps of half of the company and they're saying, yes, speaking of half of my employer, it's what we want to do. What happens when you've got really few and half of the employees with a working company who you'd like to, get a little tender for it, is that easy? I don't see why not. I don't see why not at all. I mean, the usual questions will be asked. How can you, or how do you tell there are no issues behind it in terms of patterns or whatever, right? If you can point to some prior art that has been published, maybe that's sufficient. Just think like that. Ya, okay. Thank you. So, I'm sure you've seen things like WebRTC, WebRTC allows you to do without having to have plugins and so on to do communication, and that's a great way to do real-time stuff as well. So, there are a lot of work that has already been done, but that doesn't mean the job is finished. There is a lot more new things that needs to be looked at. Different areas that may have to be looked at, something, and especially in the IoT space, I don't know what needs to be done there, but there's something to be done there, I'm sure. So, the structure of participation is there's no voting or no membership, sorry, no membership per se to be a member, you're not a member of IETF. You are there because you are Mr. X or Mr. Y, and that's it. You are part of the community. The actual standards work takes place on mailing list. All the work is actually documented because it's on a mailing list. All the disagreements, agreements, voting, whatever is happens in the mailing list. And attendance and phase-to-phase to resolve what they call big issues. Sometimes very hard to address it by email. It's best to sit down together and sort this thing out. So, it's really the hairy or the fauny issues that needs to be addressed face-to-face. Not so much as a punch-up. You're not there to punch people up, but I see you, you see me, we have everybody understanding what the issue is and let's try and sort this one item or two item. That's about it because you have already agreed on 99% of everything else. So, it's the one or two thing that needs to be fixed. So, that's the phase-to-phase part. But even after that is done, it doesn't mean it is passed. There is still a process you go through it doesn't show up here where essentially you have to vote on it. And after the voting and voting is then all documented in the mailing list and then it becomes candidate to become internet draft standard. Voting in the sense that because it's not membership-driven but to vote for that particular thing you have to be people have to agree this is what it is. Let me see, what else you want to talk about here? So, there are 129-ish working groups because working groups come and go as things get interesting or things have to retire, yes? Ya. So, involvement and voting that involve basically the vote and then it's okay, right? Ya. So, one particular issue I see the actual issue would be what if a big company comes in and has their employees vote on a certain standard in a certain place? Sure. It can happen? Ya, it can happen. Of course. Assume it happens. So, what? So, what? The standard that's part of the my details for the nobody because only one company It will be it will surface very quickly that this is being gained. You can't hide these things for too long. So, don't worry about it. I mean, that's the beauty or something like this, right? You don't have to worry about it. It's fine. It's okay. It's okay. Alright? So, there are a bunch of different working groups and there are seven areas where there are interests that are being focused on for work. So, they are called areas and each area has got a person who is in charge of the area. It's called an area director. All of these people that heading up the working groups and area directors and so on they are not paid people. They are not paid to do the job. They are all volunteers. They have their own day jobs. Whatever it may be. I think the the people who are hired to and pay the salary is the chair or IETF chair and the secretary. I don't know how many people. I think maybe less than 10. That's it. Okay. Everybody is a volunteer. So, when you go and participate in IETF meeting you pay away there. So, you have to pay for going there, wherever it's being held and usually they have administrative cost to run to rent to place and so on. So, you therefore may end up paying an attendance fee like a ticket for the event. It's not because of anything else you have to cover the cost. Okay. That's up to you. That's up to you. That would be. There are quite a lot of them who are sponsored and paid for by the by the employers. Which is fine. I mean that's entirely up to them. In fact, the best part about it is companies like Cisco, Huawei and a lot of these companies they actually do send their engineers and pay for everything because they see the value in building the standards so that others can also interoperate with whatever products that they make. So, they do see the value in it. And that's fine. And that's the whole point about creating a standard. Okay. Let's see. Let me go quickly and let's go through let me see what do I want to talk about here. Okay. So, these are some of the areas. So, the first one, general area is supporting, updating, maintaining any existing standards that we have. This is really the big picture, the meta picture about whatever else is happening in ITF. There's a security applications in real time, operations and management. So, each of them there's a description of each of these areas. You can certainly look into each of these area and find the working groups that come under the different areas for different specific aspects about it.  You know, there's still a lot of things needs to be done by all means, you know, explore and figure out what you would be interested in doing. Okay. There is a lot of in today's within ITF, the fact that a lot of the technologies that are being used are built on open source technologies. So, it is using open source ideas and it is in turn feeding back into the ITF process as well in terms of how do you make sure that when you create something it is interoperable because you built it on open source tools and, you know, the testing and so on. So, there's a lot of interesting collaboration that and crossover of ideas between the ITF way of working and how the open source model works. So, it's actually a very fertile area for that. Let's see, what else do we want to talk about here? Ya. So, I was mentioning the internet of things is where I think there's going to be a lot of new work that needs to happen. Low power transmitters, you know, battery power systems, how do I handle delays, you know, I'm sure you have heard of the IP networks for planets, so that, you know, if I send a packet from Earth by the time it reaches Mars and comes back, if I send a ping, you know, to Mars.com, not the chocolate company but the planet. Okay, it may take, you'll take me at least an hour and a half before the ping returns. So, how do I, so do I have real time? So, things like, so how do I define something that works interplanetary? So, there is a interplanetary internet as well. You know, there's a lot of interesting stuff and just solving real problems, some of it is very out there but because someone has thought about it, there are things along the way that you can actually do with today. Okay, so that'll be kind of interesting. Alright, let's see. Okay, security and privacy is a big thing now as thanks to Snowden and the stuff that he has been able to do, which I think is a great thing. I think what he did was good. Just like cryptography, making sure your data at rest is encrypted, making sure you know, you manage your keys, so key management and so on and so forth. So, I think there's a lot of new work that needs to happen as well and maybe refreshing of what has to be done before and updating it in today's context. Especially when you deal with IoT, how do I ensure you know, the traffic that is coming out of my sensors are actually secure? Do I care? And if I don't care, what does that mean? What am I exposed to? I might be exposed to anything. So, there are philosophical question that needs to be answered by the technology that is being implemented. So, it works in both ways. Alright. So, let's see. What I want to talk a little bit more is so they had a it's the first time they actually did this as a hackathon in Yokohama. This was, I think, was it last year? Yeah, yeah, last year. This was last year's ITF. ITF 94. So, they had a hackathon there. So, this is the phrase I go with, rough consensus and working code. So, if you propose something, right? So, Roland, you're proposing a particular codec. Let's get the code working. The actual code. So, it's rough consensus and running code.  There's nothing stopping you from going from working code and documenting the standard after that. Because you already know this works. Then let's now figure out and document it and that becomes the RFC. But that's how actually the whole entire thing seems to agree from everything. So, they had working systems. Now let's document the thing and work that way. So, you don't have to write first to implement it. Implement something and then you'll write it. And then you find, oops, why not? Okay. Let's see. Okay, this is just to explain the process in which the ITF work gets done. So, the first one it says tech development is done in the working group. So, if you pick Roland's idea about a codec, so what happens? So, you may have to identify a working group under one of the areas. Okay. But it can be an individual effort as well. So, you could be doing it all by yourself so, and then the proposal is published as a working document as it's called internet draft. The working document is revised and republish for discussion. All on the mailing list. Okay. There are no conference calls for these things. It's all on the mailing list. So, it's 24 hours a day. Okay. If you can handle the mail load, then the working document is submitted to standard group via the area directors and they do the review and then they would issue RFC number. Ya. So, the final step is when IES internet engineering standard group is satisfied that the document is sent to the RFC editor and you're given a number. New RFC number. And there you go.  Okay. This entire process can take six months, can take a year, can take ten years. It depends on what needs to be done and whether there's anybody pushing it. Okay. So, there's no guarantee that you will succeed, but at least you will have a lot of scars along the way. Hopefully, not do painful scars, right? Actually, one of the example is like XMPP, right? Ya, XMPP, actually start by start off by actually start off that thing and then actually come to RFC 79. Okay. Instead of 223 or something like that. Alright. Now, with the rough consensus, what does that mean? It means it doesn't require unanimity. Everybody doesn't have to agree. What is interesting is the second one. There's no formal voting. That means I don't raise my hand to say, okay, how many say yes, how many say no. It is by humming. Alright, you want to hum? It's a very loud hum because there's a lot of people humming. That's kind of rough consensus. But it's the only one person humming. Ya, I know that's the only person who has agreed to. The rest have not agreed at all. So it is by humming. So why were some of the, why were some of these things added into the equation? Because there are some real human situations where it may become a problem because you may be sitting with your boss. At this meeting. At ITF face to face. And you know, your organization that you're representing may not be agreeable with what has been proposed. But you are agreeable. But your boss is not. So would you want your boss to know that you are agreeable? By raising your hand? So by not having to do that, you may have a gentle hum. Or may have a loud hum depending on how you did. So you kind of drown out in the hum. So that's what one use case for the hum. Your boss is next to you. So how do you manage that? So things like that.  Okay. By engineers. Engineers rule the world. Exactly. Alright. So and disputes are resolved by discussion or mailing list and face to face. So that's the purpose of the face to face meetings because you want to move things forward. And eventually final final final final decision is on the mailing list. So if it's not on the mailing list, it has not been decided. It's the equivalent of black and white. Alright. So everything is open. It's on plain text files. It's not in PDF. It's all ASCII text files. So if you go to rfc.org I think it is. You find all the rfc's are listed there from the very first one. Okay. Even very interesting ones. Okay. I don't know how many of you have heard of the AVN TCP? AVN TCP? AVIN TCP? You have. Have you implemented it? Aha. So AVN TCP is all about using pigeons to send the TCP packets. You tie the IP. Ya, I'm sorry. IPs. You tie the IP onto the legs of the pigeon or the back of the pigeon wherever you want to do it. That's up to you. And then let the pigeon go to where it's supposed to go to, deliver the packet and then come back. So it will be a little bit faster than going to the Mars and back. But hopefully the bird mix it back before it's shot down. Right? So AVN actually has been implemented somewhere. I was told somebody the New Zealand tried to do that or somewhere. Did an AVN TCP. High packet loss. Ya, very high packet loss. You're doing shooting season, right? So there are some silly ones but that's part of the fun. That's part of the fun. Let's see. What else? I think that's okay so over 7000 RFCs. I'm not sure what else I want to talk about here. Okay so maybe the scope where does IETF actually work in? IETF doesn't work in W3C space. That's what W3C does. IETF doesn't work at the electronic side of the game. You're not defining what is the circuit supposed to do. That's not what it's doing. There are standards already for some of the networking stuff like IEEE 802, Wi-Fi, Wired Networks. So that's done by IEEE. But they all effectively work together at some point. But those are the areas that IETF doesn't touch because somebody's already doing it. So in the last line it says generally hard to clarify and define the scope but where there is nobody doing it? Why not? Why not, right? I don't think anybody wants to do AVN TCP other than IETF. I have no idea who else wants to do AVN TCP. But anyway, that's the point about this. You kind of know where IETF should be. It's all about the internet. So where do I draw the line of the internet? Yes, it goes to the network card? No. Network card is somebody else. But slightly higher than network card. Where the wires? No. That is not even IETF. But the packets that go through that becomes interesting. That's where IETF will sit. Sometimes it's quite hard.  Alright. I think that's where I will stop because I want to give Chenan the time to go through a demo for I talk about stuff. I just want to say that IETF and ISO and all of these are known. There is a term called SDOs. Standards definition standard SDO stands for Standards Development Organisations. It's a global, it's a generic term. So anybody is a SDO. So IETF is an SDO. But each SDO has their own business model, so to speak. IETF doesn't have a business model in the sense that they don't make money. But things like Spring Singapore or ISO they have to generate cash because they have no other way to do it. So their business model is different. They are also a standard making organisation. Alright. I shall end here and hand off to Chenan so that we can talk about what we want to do from an outreach perspective and the next stage. So what do you need from me? Can you switch the... Okay, just one. I think just now you request for comment. I think this is to repeat what was just said. Because once it becomes a standard it's a request for comment. Most standards out there are something trying or something that actually play doesn't really do that. But when you go to ITG which is the whole entire world is doing that so deploy recommendations. I'm trying to do more interlating so it will destroy unfortunately, it's private. Just a quick introduction for myself. I'm an Aishapuri Aishapuri member Singapore Computer Charters. Coming from Aishapuri perspective I wrote some tenets for ITGF. Aishapuri You know, 2011 R Some ITGF standards. That's kind of my previous life. I did with some IoT voice while as STM. So I'm not going to do this for very long because I think it's kind of quite on Friday probably I'll cover some of the stuff such as reading some of the ITF standards out there. It can go a very wide range kind of stuff. So we will do something simple like basic encoding rule that's kind of the beginning to start off what all sorts of stuff because I think we need to start somewhere I'm trying to figure out where should we start somewhere to read the specs itself so we probably will start off with basic encoding rule the main reason for doing that is because with that we will accompany with a workshop that write a simple just a recipe kind of a thing from a point A to a point B using Python if time permits we probably because this is kind of when you do about sockets we start off with sockets anyway per grade university sockets in a very long term as time progress you may want to have if you want to do something more advanced things that what the things happen in between you probably want to do mini-net because what you do of course you can do IP layer but there's certain things you may want to use mini-net it's easier to do because oh yes okay mini-net is kind of it started off from Stanford University it is kind of a simulation tool for you to write protocols it started off from open flow people use it to test out switches virtual switch for you to run all kinds of protocols run on top whether it's IP, MPLS or IPv4, IPv6 various kind of protocols that you can test it on meaning it's a very small simulation tool that you can use Python to quote on an intensive packet across because sometimes you want to have a bigger network because what I'm going to do for workshop 3 is basically I just have to two VMs to run up it's you probably need a notebook with windows I mean right you start off with a virtual box and you install two VMs and then you try to write a support okay that's what I'm going to cover on this one we can cover other things Friday if you have every other time any question for me? alright so what do we need other than that I think there is the main thing that how much time do we need it takes about I was thinking about 2 hours 2 hours 2 hours 2 hours if we can go is there any other than the computers any other stuff that they need to load up on the machine maybe useful to state as well what's your box? what's your box? I mean actually I think so huh? so what so that you can what's your box is kind of something like that okay actually whatever here just inform there will just just load on it's a Linux machine that you're running in so if you're running Linux then you don't need windows yeah yeah it doesn't matter very important yeah it doesn't matter but most important thing is we need to load a few Linux machine okay how many are you using? so bottom line from my point of view if you're running a Linux machine you already have virtual to run a virtual machine so that's easy so it's a trivial job you don't need virtual box or anything like that so you just go for it but you need Python you need I need to run two Linux machines okay so you need two VMs at least two concurrently to be run while you're doing this thing so then you need Python and what else? that's all so Python and system capable of running virtual machines doesn't have to be windows doesn't have to be windows yeah just that perfect yeah any questions then for what we want to do on Friday Friday this is for Friday so this is the time where we want to actually yeah to try and achieve knowing creating you know reading the standards yeah what time is it? we want to well I won't fix the time but we can start at 7 o'clock 6.30 to 7 o'clock yeah this coming Friday which is the 13th the best day to do anything exactly that's when the best protocols get written right I mean some of the other things that I found on that so for example you talk about south to laurabit and it can only be fixed in the sentence so for that particular yeah is there an RFC in this one for this Oof 2.0? well it's an RFC but the thing is no one have fixed it this is about 2060 it's just our gen somewhere in germany so there you go now we are not cryptographers but we are going to try and fix the problem yeah once you fix the problem then you can contribute back to the standards itself because everyone have to use these right? yeah I know because of that so yeah yeah, there's some issues behind it yes yeah but the rest of the whole download is using this you know so but you know this is part of the fun so the objective on friday is for you to get your fingers and hands and your mind wet in something that you have not done before so we will guide you along the way we will make mistakes along the way and that's part of the fun so I reckon 2 hours maybe 3 hours and we will try and get pizza the promise of pizza on friday I think it's a fair thing and beer yeah the promise is allowed it's red hat anything goes it's not an alcohol-free zone okay so any questions there any questions or comments or areas of concern that you may have at all do you think it's interesting do you think we should even bother doing this except the camera lady has visited in pictures so if there are no comments and questions thank you very much for coming okay appreciate your time and effort there you go I can't oh that's not loud enough I already mentioned that so IETF 100 will be in Singapore in November next year and whether it's going to be held at Marina Bay or somewhere else but that's Swiss Hotel Swiss Hotel okay so the challenge with any IETF event our meeting is that it's about 1,000, 5,000, 2,000 people will come for that so there's a lot of although it's TBD by Singapore they haven't officially put it out there yet okay sorry yeah if you are in Singapore yes but it's good to sign up first but there may be fees involved in participating only because you're going to cover the cost that's the objective but we would have categories for students free and blah and there are fellowships there are fellowships that are granted by the Interest Society to attend so even for the ones that's coming up in it's closed already it's already done for souls it's closed already only one okay so I made a mistake I didn't introduce two very important people from the Interest Society Asia Pacific office in Singapore Amelia and Olivia so thank you very much for supporting us in doing this because she's there so be nice to her you may get an extra slice unencrypted unencrypted encrypted or unencrypted iRTF I don't know I don't know what their schedule is I haven't checked any of those things yet I mean they haven't put out Singapore yet although that is