Hey, hello, and good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am your host, Krista Porter here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the Commission's weekly webinar series where we cover a variety of topics that may be of interest to libraries. We broadcast the show live every Wednesday morning at 10 a.m. central time. But if you're unable to join us on Wednesdays, that's okay. We do record the show as we are doing today, and it will be available for you to watch later at your convenience. And I'll show you at the end of today's show where you can access all of our show recordings. Both the live show and the recordings are free and open to anyone to watch. So please do share with your friends, family, neighbors, colleagues, anyone you think might be interested in any of the topics we have on Encompass Live. For those of you not from Nebraska, the Nebraska Library Commission is the state agency for libraries, so similar to your state library. So we provide services and training and resources and grants to all types of libraries in the state. So you will find shows on Encompass Live for all types of libraries. Public, academic, K-12, corrections, museums, archives, historical societies, blah, blah, blah. Really, our only criteria is that something to do with libraries. We do book reviews, interviews, mini-training sessions, demos of services and products, all sorts of things. We do bring in guest speakers from all across the country to speak on Encompass Live, but we also have a Nebraska Library Commission staff that come and join us. And today it is, I can't believe it, it's the end of the month, it's the end of November. Where did it go? Where did November go? Oh my gosh. And so it's the last Wednesday of the month, which means it is pretty sweet tech day, yay. That is the last Wednesday of the month, every month Amanda Sweet, who is our Technology Innovation Librarian here at the Nebraska Library Commission, good morning Amanda. Good morning. She joins us to talk about something tech related. We do have other shows on at other days that are also techy as well, tech focused, but you can always guarantee that the last Wednesday of the month will always be Amanda and something tech related. So if you are the tech person or interested in technology related type of things at your library, I guess type of thing related, keep saying that, this is the show for you. And today she's going to be talking about Internet Librarian, the Internet Librarian conference that just happened last month, yes October online conference, used to be an in-person conference in Monterey, California. We both have attended it previously, but has been switched to being their online version of their conference. I don't believe they'll probably be going back to in-person sadly. Well, Computers and Libraries is still in-person in, I think it's March this year. Yeah, it's usually in the spring, yeah, and they might try to do like one in-person, one virtual and get like best of both worlds, but exactly. Yeah, Internet Librarian and Computers and Libraries are both conferences done by Information Today and they're very similar. They were originally East Coast, West Coast kind of thing, I always thought about. Yeah. Internet Librarian was held in the fall in Monterey, California and Computers and Libraries in the spring in Washington, D.C. area. So kind of nice, I liked it was kind of a split down the middle, anyone on the east side of the country go to one, the west side can go to the other one, and we're dead in the middle, I can pick whichever one I want to go to, so I kind of bounced back and forth, but since COVID, you know, things went to being remote and being virtual, sorry, but they brought back Computers and Libraries in-person, but have stuck with the virtual version for Internet Librarian for now, which honestly seems like a pretty good setup just because, oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that they're doing, I think we need to, I mean, we've been doing this show 15 years now, around 15, 16 years, 2009. Can I take, yeah. Yeah, it's something insane like that. But I'm glad that places are doing either a hybrid or something like this. Yeah. The last few years have shown that people, not even during times of desperate need of it, it's just very convenient for people to have something virtual to attend when they cannot attend something in-person. Yeah.  And so now that these virtual events have become more prevalent over the last few years, I'm glad some places people are sticking with them in some way because so many more people have been able to attend. People who can do those reasons couldn't do it for medical or health reasons, physically not being able to travel, social anxiety issues, things like that, not being able to attend in large groups and things. Or rural, like rural areas where the airport is just way too far to be able to get somewhere. Or you have to take like three connecting flights just because there's never a direct. Yes. Those yes. And the rural people, I thought you were going to say the rural people where you are, you're a single person library. That yeah, there's that too. If you leave and go somewhere, the library shuts down. And that is not something that you can take lightly in some communities, no matter what you're going to. So be able to jump on one of these or to watch recordings afterwards is, I think, amazing. And I'm so glad that places are sticking, sticking with virtual versions of things. Yeah. So now that we've gotten that out of our system. Let's talk about what happened at Internet Librarian. Amanda, you attended. I don't know if you I don't recall that you present this one again or. Yeah, as well. So I presented at this one. And if you do actually want to go to computers and libraries in D.C. coming up in March, I'll be doing two sessions and a workshop for that one. So good times. And I think we I think the commission offers a discount for you. Yes. Yes. And I think even for Internet Librarians, even though it's virtual, there is still a registration fee. Yeah. Yes, check our website when it gets if we haven't when it gets closer to I'll double check myself later. Susan, I already put that out or. I don't we do a discount over here. So there's always a discount to these events. I will look it up right now so we can make sure everyone knows. So I think it. Yes, we just posted about in the beginning of November, computers and libraries 2024 conference, March 12th, March 14th. Cool. It's in Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia. I say Washington, D.C., because it's in that area, but it's Crystal City, Virginia. And to the like the Smithsonian Museum super easily. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So there is discounted pricing, yes, for the conference. Cool. I will so you can find that on our library commission website. Yep. So what before so so that'll be for next fall or next spring. But let's talk about what happened at Internet Librarian last month. Cool. So this one was coordinated by Jane Darce, Jane Diasart and Brian Pitchman. They do an awesome job of kind of like doing a good selection of different sessions and kind of mixing stuff up. Bride's been on the phone many times before too. Yeah, he's awesome. Then so this time every single year, there's always like preset tracks for the different for every single different conference. But because I kind of look at the conference through the lens of technology and like I'm a little biased. I do tech stuff. So I always pluck out like my own yes, right?   So I just kind of picked out the main kind of key topics that jumped out to me. So in this case, chat GPT was everywhere. It is. Yeah. Yeah. So there were quite a few sessions that were about chat GPT in different contexts, like a lot of different academic library settings, a few public library settings. And then it also kind of braided together with how a mixed reality is changing the way libraries are able to offer services. And there then that kind of blended into ways that other emerging tech like Internet of Things and virtual reality and all that fun stuff is kind of changing the way that we do things. But then that kind of blood into how do you actually deal with the rapid change? That's a result of technology. How do you help prepare your staff? How do you help prepare yourself? How do you help kind of explore and understand what's available, what's out there? And then how do you actually deal with that change over time without? And there were a few sessions about how this happened really well, a few sessions about people talking about whoops, my bad. I kind of screwed that up, but here's how I you might not want to do it. So those are always kind of helpful. And then so once you kind of figured out how to deal with the change of that new and emerging technology, there's also the kind of ever present need to upgrade your digital presence overall. And so there were quite a few sessions about libraries that have been kind of holding out and making the changes to their digital infrastructure. Like they have been hanging on to their old databases. They had been hanging on to their old website structure. Their social media was in a big need for a revamp. So I love the session about the library that just went whole hog into it and they went all digital. So I wasn't expecting them to actually just go full on digital. But that was I believe it was Bryant and Stratton College that they changed their their libraries over from having a print collection to a primarily all just being a learning space. They got rid of their print collection, not entirely, but almost entirely. I remember hearing about that. It was there. Yeah. And uproar and just major serious discussion about that. And other places have gone that lean that route as well. And there's a lot of side eye and like, oh, yeah. It's like, so sure about that, you know. Don't know if it's time to jump head first in there. Just yeah. Yeah. And so like that session was the Bryant and Stratton people. And but then I later on read a few articles to see if anyone else was doing that. And you're right that it blew up for a few people. There was in Virginia is where it was a huge controversy. Controversy where. It was the way that they framed it because the college, the university in Virginia said that we listened to all of our student faculty feedback and we decided to switch over to more digital resources and get rid of our print collections. But then all the students said, you didn't listen to us. You surveyed, you sent out a survey online and you got about 500 responses, which is like a fraction of the overall population, not enough for a full study. Then you just said, we listened to you and now we're going to be getting rid of this. And then we asked, we asked, OK, now we do it. We asked, yeah. And then the admin came back and said, well, it's also because we don't have the budget to stay open. And it's like, well, lead with that. And so then in Virginia, they actually got a the person who was leading the charge there got a vote of no confidence and like the entire like the students and faculty letter revolt against it. And so I've been tracking that. And most of the reason I've been tracking it is because from this session, I wanted to find out who else was trying to do it and to what extent libraries might want to remove their print collection if it's just not getting circulation, switch over to digital and find more of like a hybrid presence. So some of the other sessions were about how to incorporate more of those digital tools to build more of a hybrid experience because I mean, right now here in Nebraska, it's really cold outside. I mean, I went to school in Minnesota. I felt colder, but it's still no one wants to go out in that. So libraries just get less use when people just don't want to go outside in the cold. And so it's you can reach more people if you have those hybrid services where people have the option to go in and get their needs met of like actually seeing and talking to real human people. But if you just want to need to access resources, check out an audiobook or do your thing. Sometimes you just don't want to leave the house. And sometimes the sessions that were in this conference, a lot of them were talking about how libraries are getting more engaged in digital skill training, tech training and how a lot of the people that are taking those courses and want to learn Excel, want to upskill all their everything to get a job or get a better job. They either can't get childcare, can't afford childcare yet. Their schedules are haywire because they're on all different kinds of shifts. So they need to be able to have that online learning option. And the library is stepping up their game to offer that online learning learning option. Because schools are overloaded too and libraries are helping out a lot with that. And it's a whole thing. So the last little trend that I'll cover in here is a lot of people just want recommendations of different tools to try and they want to know like which when you're talking about like the artificial intelligence mixed reality and you want to try either implementing this in your own library by offering library services that use that or if you want to build a makerspace that lets your community explore this new technology, you just want to know which tools you should get and you want to know how to start implementing that.  So cool. And my little robot chillin in the corner. See, he's not as scary as he looks. He's just tired. So the first one is that people are freaking out about ChatGPT. It's been in all the headlines. It's been in it's everywhere. So in a lot of the sessions that were in this they covered a lot of academic libraries. And there's a reason for that. It's because academic libraries and university libraries and really giant, huge libraries have more resources to experiment with this. Because right now, ChatGPT is relatively new and it's still in the experimentation phase. People are exploring, figuring out what works, what doesn't. And a lot of the smaller libraries, they don't have the staffer resources to be able to do a lot of that experimentation. So they're waiting for the bigger libraries and the university libraries and the businesses to start creating the tools and experimenting so that the smaller libraries can just use something out of the box, which it's happened with every single technology ever so far. It happened with databases. It happened with software as a service. Software as a service that happened with everything. So a lot of the sessions now, academic, they want to know how to integrate it into classrooms. They want to know how to integrate it into. And for those who don't know, I I'm willing to bet a lot of you have heard ChatGPT, but before I keep saying it like eight million more times, I should actually say what it is. So I can't just assume so ChatGPT is a tool that it is able to draw data from the worldwide web and wherever you tell it to draw data from. And it's great at summarizing information. It's great at sounding like a real human in a conversational style setting. And the only reason that ChatGPT works is because of something called natural language processing. And natural language processing is a type of artificial intelligence, specifically machine learning that uses a whole boatload of different examples of human language to be able to teach a computer to sound and talk like a real human. So it's the way your Alexa works. It's the reason that you can talk into your phone and ask for the weather and it will give you the information that it's looking for. And it's because all these different tools have access to millions of different conversations that have happened before. Millions of social media posts, millions of articles. So when you ask, you can now go on to the ChatGPT tool and just ask it, how do I set up a business? And it'll walk you through the steps very realistically about how you can actually start a business. But it's actually pulling the information from the World Wide Web. But that also means that ChatGPT sometimes lies because not all the information on the World Wide Web is accurate. So but and ChatGPT also just learns patterns. It doesn't pull. It doesn't always pull from specific sources. So a lot of the sessions that they were talking about, they talked about how ChatGPT is a lot more reliable when you tell ChatGPT, don't pull from the World Wide Web. I'm going to give you these curated resources. I know these are true. We're going to pull just from this. Ignore what's out there. And so that's how libraries have been using ChatGPT to make it easier for people to navigate their library catalog. Academic and research libraries have made it easier for people to locate and summarize articles when they're writing a research paper. Brian actually pointed me toward a tool called a 4AI. Don't ask me if that's how you actually pronounce it, but it's this really cool tool that's on AppSumo. AppSumo is a website where you can get new and emerging apps and tools for a lower cost because the developers want to try it. But a 4AI is a ChatGPT style tool that you can upload like, say, a series of web URLs or PDFs or documents. And then you can go into a search box and say, grab the resources for how to start a business or summarize this topic. And it will pull from the information that you tell it to pull from. But it will also spit out source resources. It says it'll summarize it, but then it'll say, here's where this came from. And I like that. So finding the tools that actually link over to where that source information is important. Because if you use ChatGPT just out in the wild, it doesn't tell you where it came from. It could have come from anywhere. It doesn't have to be anywhere. Yeah. So I asked it to summarize. I asked it to summarize artificial intelligence. What is artificial intelligence? So I got the summary and because I'm a weirdo, I've read all these articles and I built these like different tools to summarize it. I knew that that summary most likely came from these specific sources. So I read through that the articles of like the top 10 Google search results and that's basically the phrasing wasn't even always that different. The phrasing was incredibly, incredibly similar from like those top five, 10 Google search results. And that might change over time. ChatGPT might step it up. But it was more or less how we're supposed to adapt to as a library, leveraging this technology rather than just disparaging it because a lot of the public is probably going to say that we don't need libraries anymore. We can just use ChatGPT to find the information. But that's not true. Libraries are adapting and libraries also need to make sure that people know that you can't blindly trust ChatGPT and you can't blindly trust the Internet. So that's not a new problem. It's just a bigger problem now that we have this another thing. Yes. Right. Yeah. So on the note of ChatGPT. Why do you need ChatGPT also came up, which was the biggest reason for it was to make it easier to navigate a broad range of resources. So, for example, here in the Library Commission, we have Nebraska Access. And some of those are link over to business resources. Some of them link over to there's a bunch of different topics. So you could actually use ChatGPT and like a little chat box down there to summarize and connect people over to specific resources to make it easier to navigate that. So right now, one of the biggest problems that we have for using and promoting Nebraska Access is that it's a lot of stuff. And you have to be familiar with the topics and categories and resources already to be able to know all that exists there and then be able to get the most use out of it. But ChatGPT just lets people interact with a tool using regular language. To be able to find out if what they're looking for is in there and then pull open and link to the direct sources. So that leads to that top point, which is you only need technology if it actually solves a real problem. So we're paying attention to like all this different technology and every single thing that comes across the headlines. But unless it's a real pressing problem for your library or for your community, you don't need most technology. That's a standard thing. I think so many people need to understand. I mean, I know we're here pushing technology in your session and in your library, but don't use tech just for the sake of using it. You need to have a need for it first to go from that side of does our community, do our users need some need, are they lacking in something? Do we have a problem to solve? Right. Find the technology that may solve that problem. You don't find the technology. You go out and grab technology just because it's the new buzzword and then create a problem for it to solve. That's the backwards way of doing it. I've seen people looking for a nail. And now everything's a nail. No, no. Do you have a nail? Then you need to find a hammer for it. Yes. Right. So that's actually, I'll come back to the tech playground thing because I like tech playgrounds. But so you need to be able to understand which technology is available. So you need to know that virtual reality and artificial intelligence and all its flavors and forms exists. And you need to know that Internet of Things exists. But you don't need to do, you just need to know and understand the basics enough to explore. So people have been starting tech playgrounds. The session that I've seen it done really hardcore like and I've seen it done more reasonable introductory like. So the session that was in here and I'm just going to remind myself the title Studio X, Studio X was the one that did like this really hardcore virtual reality mixed virtual reality augmented reality mixed reality studio called Studio X that was baked into their university that university built partnerships with the, with the academic departments within the university and with community members and they actually baked it into the community. So they brought in high school students. They connected over to local businesses. They connected over to anyone and everyone who had like some sort of stake in mixed reality. And they talked about a lot of the, and actually we use a lot of the same tools. So they used the meta headsets. And here in the commission, we actually circulate those. So it's sort of a new way. It's two different ways of doing a tech playground. There's is like the giant baked in use of they have, they have some free and low cost equipment and they have some friccishly expensive equipment like the hollow lens to and like the new meta pro, which is it's a lot more costly. It's more expensive to maintain. It's for whatever reason, a nightmare to actually purchase. I actually looked at getting a hollow lens too, but they make you jump through hoops to even order it. And then getting the developer kit to maintain it is like $2,000 a year for subscription. At least it was when I looked at it. So that's the expensive way to do it. And that is really worth it if you know that there are enough problems facing your organization or facing your community that could be solved with mixed reality. But if you look at your community or your library and say, I have one session that I want to do with mixed reality, we're going to build a scavenger hunt. And we're going to have people go through and learn how to learn about sustainable building using this XR tool. Then you don't need a $1,000 thing or a $10,000 thing.  And so that's where I kind of jumped down to the start free experiment and find funding later. Because most of the stuff, most of this, these tools, they have free options that people just don't know about. And people have this thought in their mind that says, if I want to use virtual reality or mixed reality, I need to save up a whole ton of money because otherwise I'm not going to be able to do it. But that's not true. You can experiment and prototype using pretty much just your smartphone. And if you're in Nebraska and you can actually check out a virtual reality headset and experiment with it for like 30 days. So you don't actually have to pay for it in advance. You can use that as an experimentation tool. And this is the way to test out. I mean, I just said earlier, don't just grab the technology because it's the cool thing, but figure out a way to test it out. Yes. Right. Don't force it into your programming just because it's the cool thing. Yeah. That's all these tech things we loan out from here. And our regional systems do. If you're not in Nebraska, check your state or systems or something. They might have a similar program where you can just borrow something temporarily to test it out before you do commit fully. Yeah. And. Yeah, right. So I use this as the example, the studio X that just did a session, but there's also other universities that have similar services like here in Nebraska. University Nebraska Lincoln now has the Johnny Carson center for emerging media arts, which I'm amazed that I remembered that because it is a really long title. But they have, they actually have a virtual reality. Augmented reality mixed reality studio. And they just launched this new service where they will do consultations with different organizations and they'll do consultations with businesses and they even have the option to like turn your project into a class project so that you can develop it, test it and kind of start building it out. And you can start interacting with their faculty and bring your students in to start experimenting with this stuff. So that's like that's here in Lincoln. I'm sure that there's like a whole bunch of other universities and other states that have similar things. So this is the one that was in this session. But look around, you might actually have something like that and not know it. How many people know that the Johnny Carson center for emerging media arts is actually even available as a resource here. I didn't. Right. Yeah. And so you the universities are changing a lot. They're adapting so that they're more community based. And like back when I was in school, the university was actually locked down so that services were only available to university students. You weren't and there are some university maker spaces where those policies are locked down where the public can't use those tools. It can only be enrolled students, but there are more places like this that are saying, you need to get out in the community. One, if we want more students, we actually need to make our tools available so that people can try it, know that it exists and know why they would actually need a degree or courses in this technology. And so making this open to the community is what recruits more people into the university. And the university is also the, they know that they're part of an ecosystem now. They know that if they, they need to be able to make this new technology available to local businesses and organizations so that those businesses will create more jobs using that technology, the more businesses that create more jobs and more students they'll have down the line. So you can, you won't have more students unless you have jobs that you can say that they're going to go into. And this all starts with the innovation process. So universities have to actually cultivate those relationships with businesses if they want more students later. If Johnny Carson actually wants to exist 10 years from now, those jobs need to happen. And people need assistance with the innovation to test and experiment and get those jobs going. And it all starts with start free, find funding later, which is half the reason that I started the tech kits of the mail because people use those for K through 12, but they also use them with adults. Like I've gotten emails from like STEM clubs that said, we use this for such and such, or I gotten them from, I got some people using them for cool stuff. I should have actually kept it all in a folder and organized it better, but I didn't. But so the last thing on here was ethics is a thing. So a lot of people were focused on how does this technology work? What is the capability of this technology? But then there's a whole new collection of jobs. There's a collection of people that are focused on how can we use this stuff in a way that does more good than harm? How can we make sure that we're reaching different demographics equally and no one is left out of the innovation process? How can we make sure that technology is representing all the voices instead of just a few? And how can we make sure that this design process remains human instead of just being all for profit or all for like a using humans like a giant hamster experiment? Which I mean, honestly is kind of social media. We have no idea still what social media does to people in the long run, but you have to use it and then study it, research it and find out what it actually did. Welcome to Hamster the Wheels. And so the other and actually I'll go to that one later. So after each one of the different trends, I also have a slide that shows that spotlight some of the sessions that I pulled a lot of this stuff from. Some of the same information kind of jumps across different, like the same like across different sessions. So some of it is just a summary. I mean, that's just kind of happens. And I'll, so if you're wondering about the tools and resources for this, I just put one big slide at the end just so you can have one. It's all in one spot. Right. And I'll, this would be a good time to mention that you will have access to, we'll have a link to these to the Google slides that Amanda has here when the recording is posted. So you all have access to that afterwards. And so the next set of this is that you in this side of it, we learned how this technology is creating change and the capabilities of it chaos of innovation and all of that. But now we know that technology needs to remain human. So we need to help people actually adapt to that change. And to be able to kind of reset what their basic skills look like. There's a, there's a new digital literacy, there will always be a new digital literacy, but now they're incorporating artificial intelligence and how to build an app and how to, how to understand how technology is impacting society. All of these are the new basic skills, but you can't learn everything all at one time. Nevertheless, what are the most important problems facing you personally facing your organization and facing your community so that you know what your library staff needs to focus on and what should be learned. And then understanding that as technology changes rapidly, you're probably going to have to unlearn a couple things that you just learned. Because stuff changes. Like, right now everyone's learning that chat GBT isn't always completely reliable. They're learning that chat GBT doesn't naturally link back to its source information. But five or 10 years from now that might be different. They might improve the tool to the point where it will be baked in that it links back over to its source information. And it may be like, they might find a way that chat GBT is less of a black box and more of a reliable source of information. So what we have, what we know is true right now may not be true five to 10 years from now, but we don't know what that looks like yet. So that means that quickly nowadays. Yeah. And so that staff training has to change. Because even now, the stuff that I learned in library school back in 2016, some of it's different now databases are different. The tools are different. Yeah. And now, like in now in library school, they're probably teaching people how to incorporate chat GBT tools into your database from the start, instead of trying to retrofit it later. And so it's a completely different skill set. And that also means that staff members, if they want to be able to move up into like up the career ladder or be able to do what they need to do, they're going to need to build the skills that will compete with people that are just graduated from these courses. So that means that they'll gravitate toward organizations that offer continual organizational professional development. And so that's kind of like, it's a whole thing. So it's more or less changing the way that you learn personally and changing the way that organizations support learning. So there was also a few sessions about how to make your training. I cannot count the number of times that I've gone to sessions that are just eternally boring or that I'm wondering why in the world this is applicable to me, because I was told that I have to take X number of courses or X types of courses in order to meet a graduation requirement. And then I forget half of what I just learned because it wasn't relevant. And then I go, then I have to go try to find that same material again because it's relevant a year later. And now I don't have access to the materials because I had to enroll in the course to take it. And so that's what they're talking about is trying to make training more engaging and make it more short form and on demand. Because, and I'm guilty of this myself, like I teach the tech basics class. And just because of the way the course structure works, I have to chuck everything all at people at one time. And part of that is good because people can explore what's possible so that they know what they want to learn later. But then when they, when later comes, where do you go to go find that information? You had to be enrolled in the course to be able to take it. And now access to that course is gone. So they're talking more about micro learning so that you have basically constant access to the same different tools. So for example, in the tech basic classes, I talk about all these different resources that libraries can use to build a skill repository on their library website. Most libraries don't have the time to be able to do that during the course because I'm chucking a bunch of stuff at them during the course and that's all they have time for. But they get to it maybe two months, three months, six months later down the road. So if there was another little mini platform where all this stuff was chunked out so you can just watch a video and then access the tutorial resources and referral resources to be able to just do that, then that's more helpful for people.  And she had like this awesome set of tools to really revamp your Zoom training, revamp your Google Meets and like all these different awesome things. I have a link to it. Don't worry about it. And so that kind of made me rethink the way that I teach stuff and rethink the way that I do trainings and make information available. But then the added layer to that is that in the long run there would be, there would be so many different micro learning topics available that you would then need chat GPT to be able to help you navigate it. So that kind of just kind of closed the whole loop right there. So that was fun. And so then the other thing is that you have the staff that are actually learning how to, learning which technology exists and finding out is this technology. I just learned about virtual reality headsets. Can I use virtual reality to solve a problem that makes the library run better or that improves the library services? Can I build a virtual maker space and virtual reality using the spatial app so that people can constantly access our maker space, maker space highlights and what they people built out of a maker space so that this is like a long running thing that we can put library board members to make the case for more equipment. We can help people put people into the space so that they can explore what's possible so that they might want to go back to the library and use the equipment. And so can I use virtual reality to develop this service to improve library resources? But now do I want to circle back and also use virtual reality to make it available to patrons so that they can explore and experiment and find out how they want to use it. And that same virtual reality headset can have dual purposes. And that blows library staff's mind. Like it blows anyone's mind. Because it's like a dual learning curve. Because you have to learn how to like first you have to learn the technology itself. You have to learn what virtual reality is experiment with it. And then you have one course for improving the library services themselves. And then a separate course for how to help your community understand, learn, explore, experiment with this. And libraries are doing both right now. Public libraries, school libraries, academic doing both. But the training to support both is not always there. So. And just because of the way my role works, that's kind of a me problem now. But that's. So that's sort of like, yeah.  And then it's more or less about. Going back to. Actually, that was the next one. So that shifts us over into revamping your digital presence. Which is how are you presenting this information and resources to the public? So revamping digital presence is not just improving your social media presence and not just improving your, like revamping your website. It's also building an in-house knowledge infrastructure. And then it's about building, like building out your in-house training. And in-house resources to be able to help people. Adapt and grow with these new changes. So I talked about that session about going all digital. But then it kind of turned into, maybe we don't want to go all digital. Maybe we should go hybrid. If we want to go hybrid, we need to be able to support staff differently. And we need to be able to support staff differently. And we need to be able to revamp our, the way that our website looks. And we need to be able to make sure that our website reflects our physical space. So we want to make sure that our digital branding reflects our in-house branding so that people know that they actually are where they're supposed to be. And if you have a color scheme in your library that doesn't match a color scheme on your website, that's jarring for people. And if you have like logos and infographics on your website that don't match anything that's in your library, like your physical library, it's also jarring for people. And so that hybrid is just becoming a thing. People are accessing tools on your website. And they want to see your branding reflected on your website and in your library. So it's a smooth, continuous flow because like the line between digital and physical is just super blurred now. Like it's barely there. People want just to, people want to know where they're at and they want to make it easier to find the resources that they need. And they want it to look pretty when they're there. So, yeah. And then on the back, end of that is with all of these new technologies comes new cybersecurity risks. And with all of these new ways of interacting with the resources comes new cybersecurity risks.  Go with safe. And if you're embedding like mixed reality services into your library, like those augment and virtual reality scavenger hunts, or if you're training your, if you're training patrons, how to interact with library services using an augmented reality device, so that when people walk through the library, it'll point a little arrow left or right so that they can find the material that they're looking for. Then that's another cybersecurity thing. And that's another way that you have to make sure that your digital services reflect your in-person services, because now people actually are seeing both at one time using an augmented reality tool.  So you're, you would tell your computer that you were looking for this book, you would put the headset on, and then you would see, you would walk down, your headset would recognize a special, based on a little QR code, and then a little digital arrow would pop up and point right. And then you'd know that you're supposed to turn right on the next aisle, and then a little digital, it would be your headset would recognize little QR code on another shelf, and your headset would tell you to turn left. And then when you got to your book, it would just be a little, you know, flashing down arrow that would say, book here, book here. I really, really hope it actually does say book here. It totally should. And I don't actually know if that, like that's, that service that I described, I don't know that it actually exists with just an example of how you could use it. To my knowledge, I don't think it actually exists yet. You know, you want to make it go for it, but it's another way that mixed reality and cyber security and all these different changes are taking effect. And with a new service like that, you need to be able to train library staff, how to use it, how to maintain it, and then train patrons, how to use it and how to interact with it. And I know that I said leverage AI, but it's really any technology. How do you leverage technology instead of competing with it or being afraid of it? And that's kind of the biggest challenge that we have right now is catching up with all of this stuff. So as always, there is a list of little smackdowns. So as always, there is a list of little smattering of the sessions that this came from. And some of it is just from what I've encountered, learned, read. It all blurs. It's stuff. And so let me go over here. I'll wrap up with kind of a review of some of the tech tools and resources. So I started with Brian. He's awesome. So cool. But these are some of the generative AI tools that he recommended. And I specifically say generative just because generative AI is all of those different websites that you go to where you put in a little text prompt and say, make an image based on this prompt. Or you go over into a video creation tool, copy and paste a script into the tool, and it will generate a video based on your script. And these tools are getting better and better. So you can still customize a lot of them. A lot of times you're not stuck with what the tool creates. You can still switch out images and do all that good stuff. And they also have like a text-to-speech voiceover tool and some like different AI art stuff. And he even tossed in like a little course creation, some of the social media tools that he uses. So if you want to play around with these, I mean, that's why you put it together. So the link is in the slideshow if you want to experiment with it. He also put together this really cool AI playground where he let the conference participants log into his site and just make stuff out of the, like using this tool that he put together. I don't know that he gave access to that to anyone, like outside of the conference, I'd have to ask him about it. But if you are interested in playing with his AI playground, just shoot me an email. And if you want to contact him and find out what his, he's pretty laid back. He'll probably like you. But, so let me close this. And then I'll jump into this one. So when I was talking about all the different tools that. Um, well, this is a different one, but I'll take it. So this is Gary Price is the cybersecurity guy. He put together a whole, he's awesome. But he put together a whole list of resources about, um, where you can go to get your news media coverage. He put together some database tools, productivity tools. Um, AI and chat GPT tools. If you want to experiment with it. And like, he just, he has like tools that kind of run the gamut. So basically you can just go by the category to find what type of stuff you want and then just start experimenting around. And let me go over here. Oh shoot. I'm going to have to fix that link, but I can do that. So I. Julie Erickson put together this link for all the different tools for how we communicate with each other, those video tools, different ways that you can use, um, Google sheets and Google docs to be able to improve your like workflow and different ways that you can use things like, um, you can ramp up your, um, learning and interaction. So if you're building out some different tutorials or some different ways that you want people to interact with each other doing it during a webinar.  She's got some for, um, forums that people can go to and she's got some for, um, how to make education and learning less boring and then how to make communication between library staff members less boring and how to make communication between library staff and patrons like run more smoothly and be more interactive. So it's a cool list once I fix the link. And this one is actually one that I put together for, um, if you're looking for a specific, um, maker space tech. So I have it for robot circuit 3d printer laser cutter vinyl cutters, virtual reality headsets. I have to add in the Oculus quest three and the Oculus or the meta quest three and the meta pro, which are pretty recent. I don't know how many of you have seen them out, but these will all have little info sheets about, um, general price range, age ranges, the coding languages use skill level and then pros and cons to using it. Just from, um, what I've encountered. And this other one. So these are, if you want to introduce your community to specific. Industry 4.0 technologies like artificial intelligence, the internet of things, mixed reality. These are a collection of different tools, gadgets and resources that you can use that are categorized by budget range. So I started out with the free tools and then went up to low to mid range cost. And then more expensive on the bottom. So based on your budget or your level of experimentation right now, you can kind of choose from any of these tools. Um, Fair warning. There's like a whole ton of these that aren't on this list, but these are just the ones that I've. Tested out and that are. That work. So. You have options. And I'm still adding more stuff on here. So if it changes some. Good. A lot of stuff. In two, three years from now, some of it might not exist. Some of it might be new. Who knows. But this is what I got now. And so this is just a tool that. You can use to find out. What you want to try. And we're at 11. Oh, six. I know we started a touch late, but we are. That's pretty much what I got. Here's my info. If you want to ask any questions, if there are any questions, I will take them. We do have a question. Yeah. If anybody does have any questions. Yeah, it is a little after 11, but that's okay. Um, if you've ever been to our show before, you know, we will go as long as it takes to get through. Um, we don't cut off just at 11, obviously. But if you have any questions, we'll go as long as it takes for the presenter to finish. And if you all have any questions. So we do want to ask a man about anything she talked about or any, um, sessions, you want to know more detail. Type into the questions section of your go to webinar interface. Oh, we have one that came in. Um, someone wants some tips on how do I help my patrons use their technology more efficiently. I have had a few people come in to ask for help with printing and emailing. I have a few people who are already used computers to explore more on our website or use the digital tools that we have to offer. So get them beyond just the basics. So that's actually, um, It's more user experience research. So like the way that I usually recommend people, I use a tool called the day and the life. And I ask either the library staff or even the patrons, if they're really involved in the library. Um, I just write out what they do in the day and then write out what. You're basically trying to uncover the different problems and challenges that people face on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly basis. Because the problems that people run into every day, usually it's, um, parenting, transportation, getting to and from work. And all these different things.  They say I'm not able to actually get to work every day. So I've just accepted that I'm going to be a stay at home mom. Or I'm not like the bus doesn't come over by me. So I've just accepted that I'm, I can't do this job. And so when you find out what the actual problems people are facing are, when you can start brainstorming different ways that people can use their technology tools better. Um, in the case of transportation, they may not know that there's an app that's available that'll let them know when the buses are coming. They might not know that they can go on the website of their local, of like the local bus depot and find out which routes are being added. So they need to know that they can actually request that more routes be added and that they can get people in their local community to all request it. And when they get enough requests, they add a new route. So they need to know that they can use this technology to actually solve the problems that they're facing every day. But you don't know what those problems are until you ask people, you think about it. Yeah. So, you know, you know, you can do local nonprofits or local businesses to like, like in Shadron and a lot of the cities here, we have a huge refugee population. This is a new for a lot of people. So if you even reach out to those organizations and just say, what are people facing? What are these daily problems that people are running into that they don't know how to solve? And then once you know those problems, you can start thinking about how your smart phone, how all this different tech can solve this problem and then design services around that and run marketing through the organizations that offered input and then the organizations that offered input have a greater stake in marketing your stuff because they help design it. Yeah. All right. Thanks. That's some good tips. Thank you. any other questions that came in while you were talking? If anybody does have anything, go ahead and type in. But you can also reach out to Amanda. There's her email address, of course. You know, know where to find her here at the library commission. While we're... Oh, we got it. Thank you for coming in. Thank you, Amanda and Krista. You're welcome. I'm going to pull presenter control the my screen to start to show you some things here. There it is. And if you have any other questions, go ahead and type them in. We will grab them while I do my little wrap up here. So at the beginning, we talked about getting discounts to attend computers and libraries and internet librarian. So I did look that up here on our blog. We do have, as I mentioned, computers and libraries conference coming up in next March. We do have a discount available through the library commission. So if you just go to our commission website, or this is through on our blog, I just searched computers in libraries on the search. It came up with this post from the beginning of November. So you can get a discount on attending the in-person conference through us here at the library commission. And we did do... I went back and looked. We did do a discount on the virtual internet librarian last month. So look for that for the next one that will come up in, I assume, this fall, next fall, fall 2024. So we do do a discount for both conferences. So keep an eye on our website for when those come up. Also something that you've mentioned before when you've done the internet librarian that they do have this replay pass available. I had a little trouble finding it on their website because up here it says replay pass and that it's not clickable. So off of the session page, I just clicked on internet librarian. I have a link to the conference website.  And now that the event is over, the registration is for the replay passes. So if you did want to watch any... some of the sessions that were actually presented, you can now, after the conference, register for those. You can see these are available just to the end of December. So it's not a forever thing. So you'd be able to have access and watch any of the sessions that Amanda mentioned and others that were presented during the conference. Just a strategy for that. I usually, if you get the replay pass, I would go through and click through just about every session and start downloading the slideshows that are available. Because a lot of it, even if you don't get a chance to go through and watch the video, you can get a lot of info and resources just from that. Right. If they've got links to things or lists of websites or resources or books or whatever, download all the slides, get them while you have access to it. Yeah. And to save time, you can also, instead of full on watching the entire video, if a session doesn't have a slideshow available, you can do a quick link and click on the video every one to two minutes to get a preview of the slides that are in it. And if the slides are relevant to you, watch the video. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of doing a little teaser for yourself. Is this got something? Yeah. Yeah. That I will actually use. Is it really worth my time to watch the whole thing? Yeah. Right. It's like build your own trailer. Yeah, trailer. Yeah. We have a question that just came in. Let's grab this while we're here. I don't think my library is at AI level, but can I ask how to protect our website from bad links and bugs? Actually, that's probably a better question for Sherm. He'd probably be able to answer that way better than I could. And that's kind of, are you, so if you're in Nebraska, he can help with that. Yeah. We have a staff person here on staff, Andrew Sherman, nicknamed Sherm, who handles a lot of doing tech assistance to libraries. And oh, well, actually, I will show you something that will help you.  I have been drinking my coffee, honest. Let's talk about the recording of this. So our archives. So I'm going to go back to our Encompass Live main page. As I said, the show is recorded. If you use your search engine of choice and type in Encompass Live, the name of our show, we are the only thing on the internet. Nobody else is allowed to use it. I haven't made that official or anything, but you'll find links to our main page into our archive page. So this is our main Encompass Live show page with our upcoming shows. But at the bottom underneath them, there's a link to our archived Encompass Live shows. And this is where today's recording will be at the top of the list. The most recent one should be up here by the end of the day tomorrow at the latest. Everyone who attended today's show and registered for today's show will get an email from me letting you know when it's ready. There'll be a link to the recording on our YouTube channel and a link to Amanda Slides. This is also, I'll show you over here, this is our full show archives. You can do a search if you want to look for a particular topic to see if we've done a show on something you're interested in. You can search the full show archives or just the most recent 12 months, you want something very current. That is because this is our full show archives and I'm not going to scroll all the way down. If you look over here at the scroll bar, you can see it's really huge. This goes back to an Encompass Live first premiere, which was in January 2009. So we're on what, 15 years, 16 years now? And we have everything here. Yeah. Yeah. And so do pay attention to the original broadcast date of anything you do watch because many shows will stand the test of time. But as Amanda was just talking about, some things will become old and outdated. Resources have changed drastically or no longer exist anymore. Links might be broken. People will work at different libraries or different organizations than when they presented for us 10 years ago or whatever. So just pay attention to that when you're watching any of our shows. But sure, Andrew Sherman did do a series of workshops or a series of presentations for us. Oh, let's just do this. Oh, I see it right there. Internet filtering for... Oh, there. No. So heated a session in July on Internet filtering for e-rate, SIPA compliance, and cybersecurity. So this is coming at it from the point of view, because we have libraries that do e-rate, but you can use the same resources and the same tips and everything in here just for general cybersecurity on your computers. So I would direct you to this presentation that Sherm did, who's a guest presenter on Amanda's pre-sweet deck. The recording's there and his slides are there. And he did a previous one. What was his other one? I'm trying to remember... Oh, security, public use, the previous one. That one I think would be more helpful for you specifically, if you're looking for specific tools, because this session was great for that. Yep. And so this one too, secure computers for public use. So this is probably what you're talking about from bad links and bugs. Yeah, definitely. Watch this or look at his slides. Sherm's slides are really good, very detailed. Some people have different styles of slides. You could read through his slides and get almost everything. Get a really good list of steps you need to take. Here's the resources you need. So you could just go through his slides, but his recording, it gets a lot more explanation of the why's. The details were good. Yeah, so I definitely would recommend if you're looking for help this. And like I said, these are recordings. They're free and open to anyone. It's just on YouTube, the recording, and the slides are his or on SlideShare. It's free for everyone to get and download if you want them. So I would recommend looking at Sherm's presentations, this secure computers for use in internet filtering, if that's something you need more information about. And they said, thank you so helpful. We have been struggling to figure out all the bugs and hacks lately. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. Sherm can help you out without those two presentations that he did. Absolutely. We love Sherm. Alright, so as an addition to pushing out our recordings or the announcement recordings to you all in emails, we do have a Facebook page up here for Encompass Live. If you like to use Facebook, give us a like over there. We do reminders. She's reminded a login today show this morning. When the recordings are available already, we post them up here. We do, I didn't share yours. I forgot to do the one for the speaker for this week, the presenter. So if you're into use Facebook, this is the way you can keep up with what we're doing. We also use the hashtag Encompass Live for the Encompass Live show and pretty sweet tech for anything pretty sweet tech related. So we post also on Twitter and Instagram using the Encompass Live if you follow Library Commission or those that hashtag out there. You can keep an eye on what we're doing as well. And we push it out onto our, in Nebraska, we have mailing lists as well. But our show is free and open to anyone to watch. So you may see posts about it on other libraries or state libraries, lists of upcoming free sessions or webinars or training opportunities. You will find us linked as well from all across the country because, yeah, anybody can attend. So do keep an eye on us out there. All right. I think that wraps up everything I need to say. All right. Amanda will be back as usual at the end of December. Don't know if we have a topic yet for that or an idea of what we'll be doing for our December pretty sweet tech. It's a good question. Yeah, plenty of time to figure that out. No problem. So when she does have her specific, which is going to be talking about there, we'll update that session page. These are upcoming shows for December and into January. I've already got some things in January. Next week we will talking about using creativity and Justin is going to be with Justin, who has been a librarian here in the US and then New Zealand. And now I think he's back in the US. Yeah. He jumps around a lot. Justin librarian. Yeah. He's been talking about using creativity to grow and develop. And this was, I believe, a session he did at computers and libraries this year. Sweet. Trying to remember how I found, I got him on the show. Anyways, so please do sign up for us next week and for any other of our shows that we have coming up on the schedule here. And keep an eye on our January dates. We'll get more filled in. I've got a few things I've got to add there at the beginning of January shows. So thank you everybody for being here. Thank you again, as usual, Amanda, for joining us on our last Wednesday of the month. Where did November? Oh, it's been a month. Yeah. Anyhow. And we will see you in a month. I mean, cool. And hopefully see some of you at any of our future episodes of Encompass Live. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye. Bye.


The influence we are going to see for the SVG Asport Theater was all about the exporting the background of a slide. The first topic is about being able to export a slide that owns a custom background. In fact, one of the features of Rabbi Impress is the ability to set a custom background for a slide instead of using the background of the master page linked to the slide. This feature was not working since the JavaScript presentation showed always the master page background instead of the one used as custom background. I suppose you are familiar with the basic code SVG markup language. Anyway, I want to remind you the use element. This use element allows to reuse more than once an artwork, in this case a simple rectangle, allowing to change its geometry and style feature. We can define an object just once and use it many times. The use element is exactly what is used for getting a single master page rendered in each slide. Anyway, the master page is not referenced directly by the use element because a master page has some content that is customized for each slide or even generated dynamically such as a slide number, day, time, or a slide that owns a custom footer. When a slide needs to be rendered, the JavaScript presentation creates a group of use elements referencing sub-object of the master page instead of the whole master page. In order to create this group of sub-objects referenced, there is a specific class named the master page view. What we are interested in this case is the first use element that references the master page background. In order to get a custom background spotted correctly, we need to identify this class in order to make it aware that a slide owns a custom background so that instead of referencing when it creates that use element, the master page references the custom background. The master page view class for creating this structure needs some metadata information about the slide. This metadata information is represented by the slide number and the usability of the several text fields that made up the master page and even other kind of information. The metadata is supported as custom attributes, all with a prefixed tripolonami space. In the example below you can see for instance the master custom attribute and specify what is the ID with which the master page related to this slide is supported. In order to make the master page view aware that a slide is using a custom background, we have introduced a new attribute named as custom background. The generating metadata method that exports this group of metadata information checks if the field style property for a background slide is different from field style none and in that case up and to the group element a new attribute that you can see in the example below in red. In this way the metadata, the metadata slide class that is responsible for parsing in the JavaScript presentation all these attributes and transforming them in properties of the distance of the metadata slide class itself is able to provide information to the master page view class so that it can know if a slide is using a custom background and then referencing the ID of the custom background instead of the ID of the master page background in the user element we have seen in the previous structure. So getting a custom background working, the second step is to provide the ability to use a bitmap as a background. Now a spotting bitmap as a background was displayed as a workaround because the same bitmap was exported many times. That occurred only when the same bitmap was used as a custom background for several slides but also when a bitmap was used as a tile. In that case the same bitmap was exported as many times as was the number of tiles. Obviously that lead to an exported SVG document very huge and the slide rendering in the browser was horrible. In order to solve this problem we have modified the create object from the ground method of the SVG filter class. This method in order to export the background of a slide or a master page used to create a GDI meta file for the object that made up the background of the slide. This meta file then is passed to an instance of the SVG writer for converting its meta action in one or more SVG elements so that the background gets exported. We have added a new task to this method. The method iterate on the meta action present in the meta file and call it all meta action related to bitmaps and use it for creating a map. A map whose key is the checksum of the bitmap embedded in the meta action. The checksum is dependent from the bitmap position so we have a single meta entry part each bitmap. Once we have collected all this meta action related to bitmaps we can export the image element that represents the bitmaps. We have implemented a specific method named the import background bitmaps. This method iterates over all the bitmaps action present inside the map where the populated area and for each entry in the map it creates an image element. The image element then is referenced by one or more used elements at the place where the custom background for the slide is defined or more than once even for the same slide in the case the image is a tile. In this fragment you can see a slide whose background is a tile at the background. As you can see the used elements exported are more than once and they are referenced to the same bitmap. This occurs inside the write BMP method of the SVG Action Writer class which usually is the default handle for bitmap meta actions. The bitmap is passed to this method and then is exported as an image element. We have modified it to compute the checksum of the past bitmap and in case this checksum is present inside the map we export instead of the image element a used element with a transmit attribute in order to set up the bitmap to the appropriate position size and the HRF attribute set to an ID that contains the just computed checksum of the bitmap. That is the way we get bitmap used for custom slide background or for tile background exported only once and then rendered correctly by the JavaScript presentation gene. No modification to the JavaScript presentation gene has been necessary. This solution was a big improvement but it still presents some problems for the tile background case. The problem is that when the used elements exported are a large number, it's expensive for the browser rendering them. So, if a tile background has a large amount of tiles as it occurs for background of type pattern or edges we end up having many tiles because these tiles are very small. The result is that the browser can need one or two minutes for rendering a slide. In order to solve this problem we have used the SVG pattern element. The pattern element allows to define some object, some artwork that then is used as a tile for filling some shape. In this case you can see a simple example where a pattern is made up by two lines, one red, one green, and is used for filling a rectangle. Note that the field attribute is a reference to the pattern by specifying the pattern ID. The other attribute of the pattern such as we made are obviously the size of the tile that is going to be used for filling, and the x and epsilon attribute are instead the offset of the tile with respect to the top left of the bounding box of the shape that is going to be filled. This pattern element is exactly what we needed for rendering, for exporting correctly in a tiled background. And now there is some details how that occurs. We modified further the create object from background method that now not only called the bitmap meta action as in the previous case but also looks if we are the background type is a tiled background. In that case, it modifies the GDI metafile created from the objects that made up the background by replacing any bitmap meta action related to tiles by a single comment action. This comment action has a special starting tag that as you can see is lying on the score background and then a parameter. This parameter is an ID exactly the ID of the rectangle you have seen here. The idea is the following we define a pattern whose content is the bitmap and then we define a rectangle with the size of the slide which is filled using that pattern. So when we export we substitute the meta action related to tiles by this comment action the ID passed as a parameter inside this comment is the ID of the rectangle filled by the pattern represented by a bitmap. In order to create to be able to create a spot in the pattern and the rectangle element we need to call it some data. This data is represented by the structure you can see at the bottom of this slide and the bitmap checksum that is the bitmap that is used as a counter of the pattern the position that is the offset of the tile the size of the tile and then the size of the slide that is used to define the size of the rectangle. All this information is collected in a map whose key is the ID of the slide which has a tile in the background. At the second stage we are sporting all the pattern erect element as you can see in the example below by iterating over this map and we use the information that we have collected for set up correctly the pattern attribute and the rectangle attribute that is in the end the weave and date the content of the pattern is a used element which is referring to the bitmap represented the tile which has exactly the checksum we have collected at the previous stage and exactly the checksum of the first bitmap of the bitmap actually represented the first tile once we have sported this pattern rectangle element finally we are able to use it for defining the background of the slide in the write actions method when a comment method action is it we check if it starts by the slide background tag and in that case we create a used element referring to the element having the ID passed as a parameter inside the comment as I told this ID is the ID of the rectangle filled with the pattern and since we have replaced all the meta action related to tiles with this meta action comment the used element is exported exactly where all that meta action bitmap representing tiles will be exported that is exactly where will be exported the background of the slide and you can see now that where we have several used elements exported each used element was referring to an image element that is a two bitmap we have a single used element referring to the rectangle and that is the way we have solved the performance issues with a tile background so these are some small improvement for SFG filter that anyway can be appreciated to create a presentation that's all from me, I thank you for listening


I'm currently on my way to the metro once again today is our last kind of big trip for our class it's I mean this is our last week we I think we have seven days left really sad but we're going to Chateau de Versailles really famous I'm probably probably heard of it and should be good time so words that I say downtown the life sound but we choose this side per side the line is enormous it literally wraps around like four times we've been here for an hour it's really hot sad that sequence that's cinematic sequence you just saw was filmed on an iPhone so if any of you ever try to use gear as an excuse just realize that that whole thing was filmed on an iPhone 6 that's barely even functional anymore so just another example of why gear doesn't matter back to the video okay I was a recording wait what's happening you don't talk to the sponsor sponsored me die I just got out of a romp free over here one of my favorites what's to shop in France right here I have my my my diet coke so I just wanted to just put this out here faster come on keep up I wanted to reach out to the company Coca Cola incorporated after a quick nap in a shower we are back on the streets of the Vandy Machines mall it's a good time so far I think I'm going to make another trip to a palm tree I'm gonna go enjoy some food and stuff on the sand maybe I don't know you see I also apparently heard news that one of my old buddies Tommy Johnson who you've seen in some other videos who was currently doing a program down in Ireland Southern France is now in Paris for weekend so we meet up with him whatever happens it should be a pretty good time


Hello. Sorry, jumping ahead on slides but we'll give everyone a few more minutes to come on in. Good morning. How are we doing Tria? Yeah, we've got 30 folks on the line so what I was actually hoping for and was kind of holding around was the uh to get delivery folks because they're always the first ones up. Alphabetical order, right? Randomize it, start from the end or something. When I did everyone got surprised now everyone's still surprised so yeah. Yeah but uh no you're right we can we can go ahead and roll and um because slides are up there in any way so. Fresh back from holiday so remind me what this clan native thing is again. Excellent yeah. Be fine. Okay what have we got first up? You've made it to our September meeting. Yeah. Item number one. Item number two that I did not actually put on slides directly but um Jeff Brewer has resigned effective this month and we will be running an end user election so more to come on the list for that and thank you so much Jeff for the work that you've done here so. Here here thank you Jeff. Um actually before just a sort of point of clarification does that mean our things like quorum and two-thirds is based on a TOC of 10? Correct. Remember? Yes that is correct um and I have changed the vote tellies over on the other hand so um the projects that are needing TOC review are actually all of the votes today so. Okay. And quorum has been effectively changed for that. So where are we at with projects that need review from the TOC? Three votes currently out. We have Qubej, we have Rook and we have a tech lead nomination for um Prachalame Laka. So here's the links um those are currently open votes. There are some other pieces that kind of come up through the SIG updates and I will let these SIGs do that more directly but those are the big ones out there. Okay. So moving on. We tried to stall a little bit for app delivery. I will give them a moment to be able to come on in. Should we just come back to them if someone joins? Happy to but here we go they've got they have sessions and they're working on a landscape so moving on contributor strategy and I know Paris is online so. That was the awesomeest update Amy I want you to give mine too. Okay. Hi everyone how are you? We have a short update as well this week since Qubecom was last week and a ton of us were doing maintainer track sessions and whatnot but I did want to leave a couple of nuggets on the on the slide particularly yes our surveys ongoing I've been getting a lot of questions about that. The survey is really about the discovery and research for the group it's less about like like I said pulse on CNCF kind of stuff. We obviously have had a lot a lot of governance conversations clearly on the TOC mailing list with the steering committee plus we also have dims and a couple other people working on this badging concept so instead of saying like hey you have to have a steering committee if you don't meet these requirements it really would just display what they're governed it like the definition of their governance similar to like you know all their security compliance and things like that you see that you see on reading these so that the end user can make the decision if they want and good news is that today I think in a few hours I'm looking at my calendar struggling actually in a few hours the governance working group is actually meeting so if these topics are of interest to you and you want to discuss and you want to like and you have a couple ideas please come that's what they're there for it's actually a very healthy sized group now I think it's well over six people that regularly attend that love governance so we're really trying to get out the the recommendation about the badging as soon as possible we just need to do some project management there and also assign some folks some tasks and things like that so still a good time to come in maintainer circle I have all intentions of attempting to launch at least the first birds of a feather idea by the end of this month the birds of the feather would bring in the excuse me bring in maintainers I'm really just talk about what they kind of want to see from this I have several ideas but I would rather mold it with with other maintainers and what they want to see and then of course the list of proposed topics is in our repo and the contributor strategy repo if you'd like to see kind of like what's on deck I'm going to meet with CNCF Amy that's our post it I'm hopefully sooner talk about to talk about how we're going to deliver that and the next is our contributor growth group we've had a lot of good progress with collaboration on template documents there for for instance contributor guide and things like that is about to get PRed into the project template repo and we've had a lot of awesome contributors help us out with that we actually have in in the PRQ right now I meant to link it on the on the deck and did not so I apologize we actually do have the project the project health guidance PRed in as a first shot from Don and that really is kind of working on the what is project health mean because people take y'all really literally so when you're writing guidance and like requirements for graduation and if it says like much of positive project health a lot of people in projects are asking us what does project health even mean so so that guidance is under review right now from Don and we'll get that going and probably by the next TOC meeting we'll have something something to give folks another cool thing it's actually a project come to us and ask us for help so the last contributor strategy meeting we had we had several maintainers from container D online CLDR is I considered this project to be kind of like in need of a tier two contributor documentation strategy you know you it's kind of like you have a contributor guide now what you know you've got your contributor base now what so we're working with them on kind of that next level of plans and and strategy for their contributor community specifically growing their reviewer base so that's pretty much it for us and also by the way the contributor growth group is also meeting later this afternoon I think that's at 2pm pacific so might be late for some of the London folks on the call but would love to have y'all at that as well that's it I guess I have one question I am aware that there have been some discussions around the steering committee proposal while I've been on holiday and I have not read I have to speak with what what the current status is actually so I have two questions related to that one is do we need to schedule maybe having a lexus come to the TOC and talk about that proposal or have we moved on beyond that point um I feel like that might be your call okay because I kind of need to read read what's happened yeah well I mean we invited Alexis to the governance working group because that's where we talk about this stuff and Alexis is really ganko about meeting with y'all so um well I guess that relates to my second question which is I mean it seems like there's lots of activity and hopefully some recommendations you know coming out of this process do we have um I guess you know we want to make sure we're discussing what those I guess at some point are you going to present those back to us or give us things to review or how are we going to take the process of these governance recommendations through the TOC yeah and that's that's ideally what you're describing is ideally what we wanted to do we wanted to collaborate on a document together and that together as a SIG and give you all recommendations on you know either potential changes to the requirements and kind of go from there so I think our crew our crew just kind of wants to talk about it more honestly because like I said before with the project health stuff I feel like people take you all really literally so if it's like if you're bullet on the graduation requirement is open governance or steering committee people are gonna be like oh let's just do the steering steering committee it is and then we have like 50 steering committees and uh it's like do we really do we really need like all those projects have steering committee so from our perspective I feel like we just need a more holistic guidance uh and not necessarily like just throwing out the like one potential solution which for maths by the way sounds wonderful so like so from our from our standpoint like it it sounds like uh it sounds like it's a it's a great solution for for one party or project rather um and but not necessarily like a graduation requirement if that makes any sense and that's why we're kind of pushing the we're pushing Dim's idea about badging because then that puts the it puts the power in the end user to make those decisions and then also it doesn't it doesn't force the project to like make their governance into this box that we're giving so um that's that's a lot of our take I can't speak for everyone in our crew obviously like I said this is a hot topic um but I feel like from a just an overall summary perspective I think that's kind of where we are so I think Alexis also thinks that like because we're saying no when I say that in quotes um uh you know because we're saying no to steering we're not necessarily saying no to steering we're just saying no to like giving everybody the guidance of have to have a steering committee if you don't meet these requirements so um I think that's kind of what the the discrepancy is okay if I win it if I win it hard there I apologize on details that that all sounds good I think there's a lot of as I say I'm not up to speed with exactly what's happened in the last week on that uh discussion but I think you know TSE when we've um talked about it before felt like well there's plenty of scope for uh you know we need to make sure we're incentivizing the right things that we're not inadvertently incentivizing the wrong things so I think having uh more thought on that before we have a proposal is fabulous anybody else got any questions for suit contributor strategy okay uh we're gonna go back to act delivery hi Alice hello everyone sorry for being late uh but we also have Harry here there's not a lot of updates really from our side um and that then Harry speak about a couple of them as well mostly because our meetings were canceled the reason ones due to kubecom overall we consider we have a bit of a slower progress on the current working groups right now in air gap and the operator definition and are currently working on re-engaging people again like moving it into the main meetings and seeing that we get a bit more momentum there um there was a session at kubecon obviously they've just heard that from Harry that we have now approached for review so flagger seems to be um in the next one to review and overall the work that we also didn't make progress but we will share more progress um on is this is the landscape for for app delivery uh so the idea is to have like a tab that's going to have application management and delivery the main reason is that currently everything is like stuffed into like this one bucket which feels kind of weird as we have many different items um that people are looking for the various application definition uh delivery like operation side even for operator frameworks and the way to build operators we have a couple of options which is currently all stuffed like into this one uh bucket but no concrete proposal here but this is something where we will uh provide a draft in in the next meetings yes so if you refresh the slides you can see the updates what i can do hold on i mean if you refresh the slides you can see the update on that page i'll be back to one yes so so basically we are approaching more new projects to president president in the sick meeting for example flagger which is a progressive delivery system on kubernetes so we are inviting as day phone to give us a presentation to community to let people know more about that project so that project is not part of since for now but we are yeah we are looking at it so this is uh some effort we are doing and we are also approaching some other project um to see the possibility if they want to engage more with the things that um and see gap delivery uh are very happy to become the bridge between these projects and between the projects with the inside community so this is one thing we are working on uh besides that due to the sick meeting we cancelled uh because of kubika we don't have other improves or updates on the things okay yeah this is the one that i can update for myself yeah this is a good point from harry so we're also tweaking this more proactive approach to invite projects that kind of fall in our like area and ask them to present not saying you have to join the cnc afris your project but just sharing more as what they're working on as the community that's it from our side i think wonderful thank you any questions for app delivery uh a question about sandbox applications were paused in july and august so we're now doing sandbox applications through the kind of new spreadsheet process so they no longer need to go through the six our next review meeting for that is going to be next week that is a september 8th and the idea is we do them every two months going forward uh hello sig network good oh that um sandbox review is is timely potentially for some of the discussions that we have inside of sig network so um we have a little bit of a similar story a bit of a recap of some things that we were doing before cube con and we cancelled our meeting week of cube con um but um did get some good participation at cube con during our deep dive which is which is good uh so we anticipate some new faces uh coming up at our meeting on thursday um last time that we met we discussed um a service mesh working group as a as an internal track to a sig network and some of the projects the the topics that are of focus in that group um uh we had also decided upon meeting times for the working group and it concluded that we would use the main um sig network meeting time to advance on some of the service mesh working group topics um up to the point that we need to push that out of the way for other reviews or other topics uh speaking of of other topics there is um an annual review up for network service mesh um i think um elena and ed or maybe coordinating on that one i think ed is speaking of health i think he's either mentally or physically or maybe both still recovering from cube con uh but but uh the annual review for nsm is up and available for people to look at um there's a an ambassador um due diligence um in flight there's um there's a doc out there that is labeled with public preview but i'm not sure that we've um gotten to that point just yet so there's active due diligence going on on ambassador and that's that's what we've got going on i think i think that's um we're really going to be getting the service mesh working group up and going hopefully in earnest um uh in the same sig network venue for the first time this week so we'll keep our fingers crossed for a lot of engagement there nice okay any questions all right who's next hello runtime hi everyone this is cardo right so we didn't have a lot of updates i mean we had one meeting and we cancelled the other one because of cube con just like all the all the other six uh so in our last meeting we had a presentation from the tinker bell project uh and that's basically bare metal provisioning and that was a pretty good presentation and they're interested maybe in applying for something in the cncf maybe but uh they don't know yet when so that may happen in the future uh in we've been reaching out to some other communities and projects as well so we have on the operating systems for containers there's a couple of projects that we reached out to one of them is tallows they actually scheduled a meeting or a presentation for our next meeting and another one is flag car and and they haven't confirmed yet but then they're pretty similar to tallows and basically it's an operating system based on coro s and both of these meant for running containers then as far as a container runtimes there's a couple of projects one of them is trial reached out and to them and that's basically another image registry but it's written in rust and hopefully we're going to have a presentation from them then another one pending is w a w a scc which is a wasm runtime uh they're also so maybe presenting sometime in the future so i'm just thinking them in uh in and the github issue that we opened then in the a i ops space there's a couple of projects cube flow also open a github issue and a very popular project and uh in uh you know serving machine learning models and and and doing the learning part which falls within the scope of the sig so hopefully we get some participation participation from them and another project is seldom core also interested in presenting but they they haven't scheduled a meeting yet so a lot of you know reaching out to different projects so hopefully we we get uh you know presentation schedule for our next meetings so as far as the working group container orchestrated device working group we didn't have any major updates also everybody busy with cube con and existing projects we have quay that is still in progress and incubation so no new updates there so hopefully we get more traction there and you know move move support so that it goes ahead with the vote so yeah and i think those are all the updates and any yeah any questions and did somebody from the toc and step forward to lead that dd for quay now we haven't had any anybody from the toc toc step forward yet so yeah it's looking for a toc sponsor anyone is excited by that prospects do you shout the toc huh yeah okay uh right right six security all right hey this is brandon um so pretty quick updates uh i think the first one is around opa uh we recommend the opa for graduation this is based on uh the the review we did with them earlier this year um and be followed up with the maintainers just to make sure nothing much has changed in terms of security so we've recommended them for graduation from the security's perspective um the big event that we had was uh cognitive security day this was the co-locator event with cube con which was a huge success thank you everyone for for helping out with this we saw about almost 400 people in the the channel there was a good discussion um especially for one of the talks called new paradigms for this era of security which was kind of mapping um you know cia to to um distributed the cognitive concepts um we are going ahead with um cognitive security day for um cube con n a uh in november and we'll be opening cfp for that soon um so as usual um six security events as well this will be happening uh we have a couple things kind of in the pipeline um we are we have a security assessment of q-cook which is almost done we are also working on the cncf white paper um which we should have quite a bit of content at least for the next round of updates and that's that's it for for now nice all right any questions yeah okay i guess i i'd sort of have a a question and it might be a bit of a rhetorical question and it's more for other six than rather than six security i'm just wondering if based on you know the the interaction that six security are having with the security day whether that's you know something that other six you know whether doing uh events like that is a good word of engaging with the community i'm just planting that thought i think i think it is yeah just just um we um on the storage side we we um we had previously organized um planning to storage days um which were which had really good attendance when we were doing the in-person events but it kind of um we didn't i guess we didn't have the manpower to materialize it as for the virtual event this time around but we're definitely hoping to um to restart those cool yeah i think it's a great idea and we'll get more participation and more excitement about the the SIG and all the different projects and the technology so but i think six security was there first and they've been successful at it so i think maybe it would be great to try with with some of the other six as well and i'm guessing it's you know a significant amount of work to put together the the program and and to hold those events so uh you know i'm just obliging any of the other six to do it i you know i just sort of planting that thought as a possibility it's been it's been both efforts helped by i think great i don't know is it too late for north america for november i guess it would be it'd be a little bit tight we could see what we could do with if a SIG wanted to do a day or not it'd be so much happier to track for 2021 though yeah so you will do the best to accommodate on a first come first serve basis sounds fair all right uh which which is the next one up is it storage hello storage hello um okay so in terms of um in terms of projects on on the on our play for the moment we've got uh prevega we're we're still looking for a toc sponsor to work with us on the due diligence where we discussed um we just discussed in the SIG call a couple of weeks back and we've allocated a tech lead so who can work on it but it's probably towards the end of september beginning of october that we would um look to to schedule this due diligence work with the aim of having it done by the end of october so if if somebody from the TFC wants to wants to work with us on that please raise your hands we we think that prevega is a particularly interesting project and would fill a new gap uh sort of uh in in in the storage landscape for the cncf um we're also beginning the review for open ebs uh currently a sandbox project who have made a proposal to move um to incubation there are a few things that um that we need to review with with the project team and that's ongoing um there are the ti kv and rook votes which are ongoing which i believe should just be about done now and we had a presentation from the prius project um which is a project that's considering sandbox which is which is worth looking at um and also the data set uh lifecycle framework which is um an abstraction methods for for providing different data sets in in kubernetes environments and their caching of those data sets um specifically for research type use cases but i think i think the the the scope could be more generic too so so that's particularly interesting and they've just um submitted a sandbox request um the presentation recordings for the sig um are are linked there if if anybody in the toc wants to wants to have a look there um and then finally uh we reviewed and discussed the performance and benchmarking white paper uh we expect to have that published um for for final review shortly um and just uh uh you know a quick nod to to all of the work that happened at kubecon so thanks for all of that and we're and we had a good um we had a good session a good succession there um and some good q and a which was which was really good um which also resulted in some good feedback and uh and add ones to to some of the landscape and performing performance and benchmarking white paper docs which was really really useful too so we got some some new uh uh sig uh attendees as a result um and that's it for storage fantastic is there anyone else or is that put down the mall yay that wraps us up today amazing unless anyone has any other questions or business they would like to bring up okay i think we all have an extra 25 minutes of our lives just go and make a cup of coffee or whatever enjoy it make something good with that 25 minutes and see you next time thank you thanks everyone bye