Hey, good morning, traders. Sorry for being a bit late here. I had actually a technical issue just before this webinar started. Anyway, welcome to day three here. Today we have Louis Reccabaron. He is a private equities manager, a martial art expert, a professional ballet dancer, and a father of three. He's been trading for quite a while. He and his partner developed a black box strategy that he's going to go through some of the hypothesis that this black box computes for the day. And then he looks at the order flow. And he goes through a daily routine he's going to share with you today. So this should be quite a nice presentation. Really looking forward to it here. You can see some of the content information there for book map. And then the risk disclaimer. I need to read this. Trading futures equities and digital currencies involves a substantial risk of loss and is not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. And then a few different contact points here for Louis. You can see his trading room here. Algoquantgroup.echofin.co. And here's the contact information for Louis as well. I'll also put his link for book map into the chat so that you guys have that if you're interested in getting a special deal for book map from Louis. So without any further ado, let me pass this over to Louis. All right, I'm going to test the monitor and we'll show. I think I'm going to try the third one. Yes. OK, this is a high resolution. Hi, everybody. Thank you for coming. Can you see the screen right now? The screen is about the NQ, top left, the right. It's ES. Yeah, yes. We see it. In fact, I see you're using quite high resolution here with the monitor. So for everybody attending here, this is what you'll need to do. There is a Zoom option in the upper left-hand corner there of go to webinar. And then click on the dropdown there. And then there's Zoom 2. And then you can choose like 75% or so. And that's working well for me right now. If you want to zoom in more, maybe go to 100%. Then what you can do is you can just left-click, hold, and drag in that window to drag it around to see the charts that Louis is looking at. Or you can zoom out. All right, so well, thank you for the presentation, Bruce. I really appreciate this possibility to share thing. And then the purpose of this is sharing. I mean, sharing is caring. As a trader, you learn a lot of, like, do some kind of a, you search for different people or knowledge. And because there is no university in trading at all. So my background is, of course, I've been a dancer before. I'm not a dancer now. So just to mention, I was a professional ballet dancer and martial arts as well, competition. And after that, I'd educated myself with the Swedish MIT kind of the engineering. And I've always been trading since year 2000, almost. It was in 1999. But applying the technical analysis, being through all the schools of what you are searching for, what is working for your personality. So I figured out after the engineering school, I came out with time series analysis. So studies, like data on one axle and data on the time. So I figured out that there is something to do here with the prices and time series analysis. So after digging, digging, I came up with on a math seminar with MATLAB. MATLAB is a program that's developed for engineering in all the fields. And then you can program with a very easy language. You can program different time series analysis, mathematical problems. I came in contact with a mathematician, a PhD, the brain. I always say that is the brain. But we got into together and we figured out that we could have an automatization of the trading strategies. And we came up with a code. And so with cloud data, I can take in the data of the ES, the NQ, whatever all the futures, and make a trading plan for that particular day. And that's what I'm working with every single day. It's running the end of day analysis from the cloud data. And then make the computation, the calculations. And then I came up with a hypothetical role plan, what the ES will do. And it's a kind of a reverse engineering of what other guys are doing and what other points are searching from the banking industry, from the finance industry. And that makes it quite strong to find. It has nothing to do with, how do you say, typical mainstream technical analysis. So it's pure math, time series. But the math, it's beyond my head.  And then the mathematician, he makes the code or search for the map. So that's what we came up with. So what I do is simply watch for. I can explain to you what the roadmap was for today, for the ES. If I zoom out, I can explain, for example, I did the end of the analysis. And then, first of all, I got the direction, like it's a bullish direction to the upside before the selection. And the entry and the risk, I had the 2745 entry on the ES. And the cell stops, the risk that it could be taking was 2731. And you can see it on the ES, all the red on the column notes, it's a 2757, the 2760. Then you have the 2771 and then 2778.  So that's the kind of a plan or a training plan that MATLAB, the program, help us to try to read the market. At the same time, we try to see the order flow when prices are coming to those levels and if liquidity, long-term liquidity is there in the book. So and watch for the, for example, you can watch the longer-term liquidity on NASDAQ right now. Let me, I think I have a pen on this software. I'm going to try, yes, drawing pen. Here, you can see on 7132, it's a longer-term liquidity. So I'm always trying to find this longer-term liquidity on the book map together with the numbers that I have from the MATLAB. That's usually like, you have a plan, you have a hypo, and then you prepare yourself, how do you want to react? Because like all the traders tend to do, you get absorbed by the price and not behind the scene sort of the flow, what they are preparing, the intentions. Is it kind of clear or do I self, am I? Yeah, no questions at the moment. It's a little hard to see the pen. Maybe if you could use yellow. Okay. And maybe a bit more thick or thicker, but if possible. Choose color, I'm going to choose yellow. And the pen, I don't know, drawing tools, the normal drawing highlighter, maybe it's bigger areas. Can you see that? Yes, that's very clear. I can paint this guy, the liquidity guy over there. So that's, I always try to find those in conjunction with the roadmap.  And because as a trader, you have a job that is quite, it's kind of lonely sometimes. So you try to find some kind of some trader friends that they know the business and professionals and different levels. And I figure out that, oh man, I should share this. And it started us, how do you say, sharing is caring. I figured out, I should help out. I think it's a good initiative because there is a, when you have a draw down period, you start to search for different strategies and what is out there. And you have to go through this kind of a process. And then you realize, OK, you have a sustainable strategy and then a strategy that's kind of a healthy in a way like that you have a plan. You have the book map, you have the order flow. And then if it's, I mean, if they don't work, OK, then it's done abnormally. And then at least you have a plan. So the idea to share it, it was to be able to share it to friends. And that was, it started from there. So we started a trading room and so we have this sharing. I'm sharing the road plan every day and we try to read the market. And I tend to see the market as rotations also. It's something also that, for example, the ES tends to rotate in two or three times on those levels that I got from the roadmap. Sometimes during the Asian session and European session and then a second test when the cash market starts and then for a third test, it could fail as well. So markets tend to give you more than a second chance to apply this roadmap. And of course, during the period of the day, you get absorbed because there is some news coming out.  So people are prepared almost because also, if you look at the door pools, how they behave, and if you look at the spy, the transactions, the accumulations, how they are, and we can also see that in the cumulative delta on the, how do you say there, the book map, on these green lines, if you see under the chart, you see the accumulation of the years. So I already have some questions coming in for you. Let's see, so are you using book map only for entry and timing? I'm using the entire screen for all the markets to see the rotations. For example, if the dollar yen futures are rotation, I have a roadmap for the dollar yen. So if I see the rotations on the dollar yen, the NQ, the Russell, everything is lining in, then I execute if I have a confirmation on the liquidity as well. So that's why I'm also sharing this four different charts. I watched the VXX accumulation, the cumulative delta, and the behavior also. So it's not only if you're trading the ES and not watching the entire universe of the instruments, of the futures instrument, you're missing one part. So I figure out that there is a special mathematics there that it's two. When you have two moons like an eclipse, then you have a validate. The roadmap will be validate. And that's the same when all the instruments are in line with each other, then you have the trade, the odds will be on your side also. OK, understood. So just to go through it here, the charts you're looking at here, upper left hand corner is the NASDAQ e-mini. Upper right hand corner is the S&P e-mini. Lower right hand corner is the yen dollar, or currency futures there. The lower left, the lower left, the lower right. Lower right, it's Apple. You see the price? Oh, it's Apple. OK. It's Apple 205 right now, the price VXX, this one. Is it the VXX? OK. So and I have all those screens that I watch the gold, the yen, the futures of the euro also, and the European, the DAX. What is the purple on the NASDAQ there under the notes, 7144? That was one profit objective that the roadmap gave me. So if I let me just clear this out, this noisy erase, non-drawing mode. So if I sum up those are the levels that MATLAB gave me, here is the levels. And the direction was a buy alongs. So I will not trade against those the direction, try to scalp any, scalp any trades, put me on the risk. I could do it if the strategy, like the more intraday kind of thing, gives me the signals. I'm using also algos at the same time, like a exoskeleton. I just want to erase this. So in general, basically what you're doing is using MATLAB for your levels, and then you are zooming into BookMap to look at the order flow specifics. Exactly. That's what I'm using. Like I have a hypothetical plan and then be able to be dynamic during the day. It doesn't need to exactly where the levels are in the buy here, sell there. But if I see liquidity, if they are lining in during the day before this level, that means that I have to front run the front runners. And you can see it visually. So it's always be dynamic and flexible during the day. But you have a direction, and you have the levels to react on it. Right, understood. Louisa, maybe you can comment on how you might be managing with BookMap on the 6J and the 6E? Yeah. Or are you trading those? Yeah, sure. The 6G? All right. It's the same approach. Let me check. I can put it so you can see it. So I will be using the same strategy, like have the run the mat level, and then see the ranges of the market, and taking in consideration the time in the trading period. So if it's early European session or not trading those futures at the last hour of the American close. So it's always the same approach to have a plan, have the levels, and then approaching and giving and watch to BookMap for validation. And it sounds really boring, but trading is supposed to be boring. The sophistication is on the black box. That's where the calculations are done. The execution is the hard thing to be able to have a system that you're so comfortable with to take the trade, and also to be able to build that mentality. I mean, who will take a trade the day after this election to the long side? The whole street was supposed to, everybody was really bearish in thinking about now we're going to drop 10%. It's going to be a Brexit thing. But it's no emotional. It's just seeing that the supply and demand is there in the book and to be able to apply that. And always watch the market. If you're going to trade the years, always watch the market as an entire universe because everything is interconnected, the bonds, the gen, and so on. So your higher time frame MATLAB levels are generated, obviously, proprietary calculations that you've created. But are you involving not only multiple markets, but also are you looking at the depth of market? Yeah, the time frame, it's always a longer time frame, the daily time frames. And like data, I mean, data could be for every, it's always moving with the front month of the future. And I have, for the oil, I think I have data that I take into MATLAB for, I don't know, could be like 10 years or it's really big. I mean, it's really, I take data from this service that I'm paying for Quant Lab, Quant. That's the name of the data provider. I'm going to give you the link in the chat. That's the data provider that you can try out and they are really, really good data. It's all cloud databases. So with API, so we connect to those servers and make analysis. And then it's always, even though it's a longer term view of the market all the time, but to be able to micro execution, always look at the order flow and confirmation. Okay, so the MATLAB and your data, your higher time frame data is computed only for the day. It's once every day. And then that gives you the overall bias. Exactly. I have, like, I can do for all the futures, like in two clicks, like, and then I get like, okay, I have to filter some things, but I get a roadmap, what is the hype for the years, what is the hype for the NQ or the 6G or the bonds or so on. So that's the, it's a bias, but always, like, have confirmation with book map. So it has to be confirmed. Okay, so, I mean, for your trading decisions, you have to confirm it. Correct, okay. Okay, so is it, are you having the custom notes there automated as well? Does it spit those right into book map? Yeah, exactly. We have it, we test it and then we can share it on the cloud. So you can use it with the cloud notes and you will have those levels. And yeah, I had discussion with the CEO book map as well and trying to figure it out. And yeah, we solved it. It was not so hard at all, but it's just, yeah. Yeah, we've worked with many traders with things kind of quite similar to this. I'm just, I'm curious though, like, maybe you can define some of the colors for the decision making in the custom notes. Yeah, sure. I mean, it's late. Let's take the ES, we take this as a big, I'm going to zoom out as well. So, the numbers that I got from MATLAB was today. Let me put it on the pen so it will be clear. So, a buying zone of about 27, 47, 45. And the price, you should not, I mean, you can buy it all the way in this zone as well with the sell stops around 2731. The profit objective, that's the first P01. We call it P01, profit objective one. And that's where we put some break-even stops and try to trail out the movement. So, you see, we're not a scalper kind of a system. We try to write the movement of the market because we do analysis on a higher time frame. So, right now, looking at the S&P here, this is overvalued. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we try to go away from opinions. And of course, we have knowledge of the market profile and value area and so on. But we try to, it is what it is, markets wants to rally. And it's kind of a relief rally. We know in the data that people are being selling into this election. If we look at the Darkpools area, they've been selling. So they are forced to go back and buy on the higher prices because the mandate of the funds, they have to be invested as a long-only. Some of the funds out there are long-only. So we try to also see this, analyze those data points. So we try to, so this, the roadmap for today was, it's all been done. I mean, it's time of the day. It's quite, Europe is closing right now. It's the end of the day rebalancing of the price of the European equities. So we might get some kind of a retracement.  But the easy opportunity has already been there for four. And then we reset. And then we do analysis overnight. And then we have a road plan for tomorrow. And we trade that road plan and try to find the validation of that. So the Darkpools, what equities are you looking at? Or is there just a variety of them? Or is it just a apple? The spy and the AQQs. That's where you can check some kind of a Darkpool activity. Yeah. Let me just go back to zoom out. So how do you analyze some of the Darkpools? I mean, we never really quite know what they might be doing in some of those transactions. If I put, I mean, you can see the definition of Darkpools, I mean, for the equities is one thing. The definition of the Darkpools for the futures is centralized. So there are no Darkpools that are hidden in ice pairs. But on the other hand, when you have Darkpools, like Goldman has a Darkpool or Morgan has Darkpool. And if you know where to look at, if you know there is a trans... Because I see myself, if I put a hunch a lot on the ES, I see myself, everybody sees myself, see my order. So that's the knowledge that you have. If I do that same thing on the Darkpools, then I will know I see myself on the Darkpool. Then you will do some reverse engineering to what to look for for other guys that are doing some transactions on the Darkpools. That's the approach, so you can solve where to look at. Do you get it, Maya? Understood. So it's always context, looking at the Darkpools in context too, a variety of different things from various instruments. Yeah, yeah. All the things like Walter also was talking about this stacking, he has very sharp knowledge about the stacking, and you train your eye about seeing all these dynamics, the mechanics of the market. And you see where they're trying to, when a program is hit the spy or the queue, you will also see the programs there. The ES moves in contango, so you try to see if they solve that program, or it was a program that they reverse the selling, because they need liquidity to sell 10,000 contracts. So how are pros thinking? How are, that's the approach that we, are you seeing kind of thing? So to gauge a trade decision, it's discretionary, but would you be looking for just scalping maybe? I see some sort of opportunity like that for scalping for a few points, or would you be looking for? Not necessarily, I don't like to scalp. The definition of some guys think that a trade is one point or two point trade.   I mean, you're taking so much risk for, so the approach that it's more sustainable that I found, it's more, MATLAB gives me this kind of a, I mean, it's stressful anyway, but how do you reduce that? And how do you trade with a proper plan and so I tend to know not scalp, only based on if I have algos, because I'm running algos at the same times, if I connect them, when volatility is high, then I connect some algos and then I can go autopilot for a period of one hour or two hours. It depends on the volatility of the market. For example, in February, I mean, I was almost on autopilot. Like, yeah, it's depend, it's depend. So then, how many trades per day are you taking? One or two? One or two. And I would imagine like, it depends, but I would imagine most of them are probably within the first hour of European session. Yeah, exactly. I tend to take that one, the European session, and then the first hour or the one and a half hour after the market's US cash session. So understood everything kind of lines up at those points and then those are the opportunities else you're not gonna get in. Exactly, you're not gonna get into this choppy time market. I mean, after it's not worth it, people, I mean, you can identify also the algos that are running right now, that they are trading just the ranges. Those ranges could be like five points, 10 points. And I can show it for you also. If you, it's the cruise, I think this will be interesting for you guys. I'm gonna sum out, let's take yesterday's six of November, right? All right, so I tend to, this is also a routine that you can do. I think I've learned from another guy, another pro. You take the vertical lines with the entire market, vertical lines and you identify the high, sorry. Sorry. And it's, this is something that you can try it and see it for yourself. It's really powerful. I think it's simple, it's in front of you and there we go, okay. So identifies the ranges of the market from yesterday. Of course today's will not be so clear, but those could be, those could be, yeah, yesterday, yeah. So I think I took all the important levels. So those levels that I create on the yes, when markets tend to come to the mean reversion or the price that the yesterday's ranges. So if you identify those ranges from the previous day, those lines are from yesterday and you see overnight what the algos were doing. They were hitting this 2760. I don't know how many times, one, two, three, four, five. Five times they were hitting this area. And I guess it has to be yesterday's high almost closing. So, and today's a special because market is just breathing to the upside, but markets tend to come back to these kind of levels and trade around those. And those, I mean, you can see, you can identify algos that are really specialized in scalping those ranges between, for example, the 2760 to 2752 issue. It could be. That's a really thing you can, so never, never, never use lines that are in channels or technical analysis, like, I mean, longer term maybe, but on the intradays, those are the ones that you should use. You will find them very, very interesting. So how do you quantify the risk? Because I imagine the MATLAB computations are gonna come in and depending on the volatility, you may have some pretty wide ranges for stops and take profits based on the action. So you just either scale up or scale down on your size, volume of the trade? Yeah. So if MATLAB gives me calculates the risk, then I have to calculate as a function of the, if I'm using leverage, then I can scale in and scale out and be able, any way, have exposure to the market with a proper risk, with a risk budget that I have. So I have also a calculation math, it has like a yearly risk budget, monthly, weekly and daily risk budget. So you can do this kind of a risk management and then be able to accommodate those in the variance of that risk management. Right, understood. Yeah. Yeah, I think. So there's just a few questions here. So the vertical line scale much wider than what I use, okay? I'm getting a question here about how do you determine those vertical lines? Those vertical lines, those yellow lines? You were looking earlier at some vertical lines, not horizontal ones. Yeah, always horizontal lines.  And today, what are they gonna, you can do reverse engineering for manual traders because you know, all these algos, they're based on technical analysis strategies that you can code it for yourself. So they're not sophisticated as a, I think the most sophisticated is to read the order flow. And you can see through those algos that are trading those ranges to be able to write, draw those ranges, you have to identify the market. I can draw it for you like manually so you can understand what I'm talking about. If you have, do you see my yellow here? Yes, all right. So if I identify that's the price of the market and then I try to, I take another color. Let's go with that one. So identify the range, the range, the range. I don't have any kind of a ruler, but those are the ranges from top to bottom of the price range, okay? So if prices are between, let's say yes, it's between 27, yesterday's range was, this is kind of a ATR on the micro scale. That's what I'm trying to, so you can understand that thing, to be able to draw them yourself and to be able to see that, to see that.   They don't think, they just trade the ranges. They're not for yours, they don't hunt your stuff. They don't, they trade in ranges and traders tend to, I mean, sometimes in the beginning you were trading in the middle of the range and of course you will get a stop out and you would blame, oh, the algos are searching for my stops, but it's, algos are just trading the ranges and that's the thing to identify.  Yeah, I mean, would you happen to have, maybe an example of a trade today that you took? Today, no, because I, he didn't took any trade today because markets were going away early in the night. So today was seated on the hands and I mean, I have a longer, longer positions since the beginning of this correction phase to the long side. So I have calls, 3,200 level for a year, December calls. So I'm comfortable with letting them ride at the movement. So I have still very bullish view of the market. So either I have exposure because I'm running an equity, you know, private equity company. So I have to be on the market. So specific today I was hoping for a more volatile market so we could show some of the trades, but unfortunately we couldn't. Right, understood. So basically if, how do you handle, you know, news or, you know, something new introduced into the market that might disrupt the MATLAB computation? I see it as a, I'm a really believer of the data is always, somebody always knows something better in advance and they give, they give some footprint on the charts in a way of protection because I'm analyzing the options and the movement there, the protections. And if they give some kind of a fingerprint on the market, the analyst analysis will show you the direction.  No, you did, no, I did. Like joking around about it, but it's amazingly how if you're reading the flow, you're in balance with the market. Of course it's not gonna be like that all the time, but there are periods that it's, you're in really in balance with the market. You just welcome those news, but like I said before, news has great decisions on the Fed or the ECB. They tend to disrupt the market more. So I tend to not trade into the last hour of the Fed and to be flat and better see it than watch. So those are the only news that I don't put out the neck out there. So. Okay, so you disregard like CPI or retail sales data? Those are the news that I get fields on. Understood, okay. Or it moves away, I guess, and you don't get the opportunity. Or we get fields before and then the news comes and then I'm with the profit within direction or I get, or not, if I get stopped in a second. So I don't, I don't, the news are catalytic event that helps you in the many trades during this year. I mean, this experience that I had, it's all baking the news, the charts and the flow. It's, I mean, the analysis from yesterday, the GATE MATLAB gave me like the direction of the market.  But the direction was correct and it was, I said in the room, we were talking about it. I think independently how the outcome will be if the Democrats win or the Republicans wins, the market gives the hint that market wants to go up independently. And of course, if you wanna get into deeper, the data is there of all the, but there are so many out there, smart guys that can verbalize that. I don't, I don't go into that and try to desiccate it. I think it's, you have to have a very humble approach to the markets that market tend to tell you one thing and you have to be able to humble without any opinions and try to listen it objectively. That's where you can be in dancing with the market, so to speak. I understood, okay. So has it happened? I'm just curious in the past though, like let's say CPI data is coming out at 830 Eastern, but you get a level is triggered 10 minutes beforehand. And you're in, so will you take the risk of something like that? Yeah, for example, for example, put the ES, it's on the level of 2,800 right now. For example, hypothetically, the time is 830, the news will come out and the ES is trading. I have an entry of 2690 and the risk is 26, 27, sorry, 2790 and the risk is 10 points. And the news, the ES is trading at 2,800. Okay, so I have an entry of 2,790. So the orders are in before the news and then the sell stops, all the, all the orders are in before the news. And then the sell stops, all the algos, it's connected so it could be filled. That's the kind of approach that you have to have. Be sitting in the water book, like hiding with icebergs and then get fills when the price drops fast. The faster it is, the better because then you know, there is always a contraaction to the price movement. Sometimes you use, I think I understand. However, you're not entering before the news, you will not do it. Okay, understood, okay. So are you using also a hidden order mostly? Okay. Do you want to describe a little bit about that to some of our users? Hidden orders, I mean, you show one contract and you have 99 contracts behind it. Of course, you don't want to show your hand when, if you want to buy like 100 contracts on the market, you just want to be hiding. So people will not be, or in portions of 10s in different levels. So you want to hide those orders. You want to show your hand when you want the price of the market go down so you will be able to fill more. So this is so obvious. I mean, I'm not saying spoofing because that's illegal but it's a lot of in the market that's, you can read that in the, in the, especially in the NQ, it's so obvious. And in markets like the FTSE as well, the DAX. So, yeah, there is software and that you can use to hide in orders. So you just show that how many contracts you want to be on the limit. And bookmap, it's printing those hidden orders as well. I mean, so it's not so, for the untrained eye, you can hide from, but not from the book map. So, yeah. So you can witness your own algos going off? Yeah, sure. I can see that. I mean, together with other guys. I mean, they're hiding as well. Yeah. And sometimes all this, for example, ES right now it's between 2786 but there is a lot of buys. You can guess that there is a lot of buy stops about 20, 800. And then people with this CVD 13 is quite flat, though, but they will try to trigger those stops. I mean, programs are, let me just check one thing. Yeah. I mean, markets are amazing, beautiful sometimes. Once you try to understand those mechanics and it's really amazing how it works. Everything is interconnected with the whole world. Perfect. Yeah, and I agree. It's quite a thing every day. And to see here a few, everyone get your questions in, so we'll just do a few more in here for Luis and then we're almost been going for an hour here. But let's see here. I will do these for 20 minutes. I saw, let's try to keep it short maybe because the people's concentration, it's not more than 20 minutes. I mean, you get tired of it. Right, right. Well, we have a Marvino saying that he feels like he just witnessed a magic show and like sleight of hand here from you, concealing all sorts of activities.  Yeah, those are the ones that are not using liquidity and they are using, they're showing the hands also to give also hints to the other guys, let's push this market up.  If I'm on a trade with 100 lots, I don't wanna put 100 more just to put more risk on. I just wanna give a hint to the other guys. Come on, help me out here. And algos are being triggered also about this price. You can take down the in queue with like 100 lots sometimes. I mean, really, people are listening to algos and when it comes to this pack hunting type of activity. Huge liquidity.  These are programs that are running sometimes with the trigger, but a cascade of programs. Let us identify one. I mean, I can, let me show you with a pen. Here is one. I think this is, the pen is yellow, so it's not good enough color right now. I mean, take one minute bar chart. I'm not using chart, but I can detect the programs. Here is a cell program. No, let me zoom out and then we can see one very clearly. Yeah, it was one. Yeah. I mean, you see this, I think it was 10 o'clock, 10 o'clock and the ES made a movement to the upside. Some liquidity came around 2782-ish and then some programs were running to test the VWAP. I think it's the VWAP here for the POC. Yeah, it's the VWAP. So, and the CVD, the CVD is pushing to the downside. So it was aggressive cell program. And if we watch the spy, that takes a little bit spy. So you will see the sign. On the spy, it's harder for the book map. I think it has to use another proper software. It's much harder to detect. But if you take a one minute chart and on the one minute expansion bars, I think you can detect on the book map, you can detect those programs on the CVD and this activity. Let me check if I can expand it. No, I cannot. Sorry, guys. Not detected. This one. Maybe you could just kind of with the bigger marker, just kind of make a circle around that area and the CVD as well. Okay, I think with the book map marker, horizontal ellipse. Okay, four o'clock. Four o'clock, it was some, I think it was some kind of news. At 10 o'clock, I mean, there is. I think this area, when the CVD was trending to the downside very clearly and then a bounce came into this 82 and then they hit with some multiple programs on the market. And the CVD was just pushing to downside. All right. Right into the VWAP there. Right into the VWAP and then fires came in. You could see liquidity coming in, defending this area. And algos were in this area of the VWAP. You know, there's a lot of VWAP algos. They're trade around this VWAP. So primarily, the way that I, as you said, the way that you're using book map is to kind of quantify some of the levels that you've gotten from MATLAB and your automation on your process. But you're really looking at the heat map heavily. You're not really looking at the traded volume so much. No, no, I mean, I don't know the heat map. You can, I think it's powerful. There is when the rate of change of the market, the velocity of the market, the momentum, when the market has kind of a, the equilibrium is in equilibrium, the supply and demand, the buyers and sellers. That's when the levels of the market tend to respect. The algos tend to trade around those levels. When the market is really, really strong with the momentum, it will, all this liquidity will be ignored and it will be absorbed, yeah, absorbed because markets just want to get more pushed to the maximum pain for the sellers. You can see this when the market is trending to the downside. People are trying to buy or cover or buyers that will be absorbed by sellers, say, sellers will hit. So it depends on the situation of the mechanics of the market. It's also something that I read about it. I mean, on the heat map. So yeah. I understood, understood. So yeah, lots of insight heavily using the heat map, which is great. That's a feature here that a book map displays compared to other platforms out there, they just don't. No, no. You don't get this kind of a three-dimensional mechanics of the market and yeah. And then one question is if he hides his order, who are people displaying huge liquidity in the market, protecting levels? People are bidding, I mean, for whatever reason it is. I mean, there is a lot of funds that they have to be heads or be in the market. I don't know, I mean, who are they? You can identify them as the biggest banks or whatever funds you, the market. The market is based on thousands of thousands of people. I mean, when you identify, define who are they? I mean, just the market. I don't know if you answered the questions, but don't look at the market as an enemy. You have to be in a symbiotic movement with this monster. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a fantastic approach here. It's a monster that and be kind of in movement with it. And very, very simply. I mean, it's you're using very high-end math, but to just basically do the same thing, to get an edge on the higher timeframes and then look at these lower timeframes in book map to position the entry with the heat map. Yeah, yeah. I think you have to always be dynamic and be able to, of course, you have to have a sustainable strategy with the risk management, with the plan always, and not always be absorb also about this, the heat map as well. I mean, they want to fake and able to see those fake orders when they spoofing and they are putting limits and they are not longer-term liquidity. So the longer-term liquidity tends to be more reliable when market has lower rate of change. Look at that, the lower rate of change that's really interesting to measure the momentum, or you can read the book map has the CBD. So you can configure, I configure the CBD like the opening hours. I reset the CBD so I can try to measure from the opening and then reset it at the midnight. So it's also a feature that's really nice. Yeah. Okay. So, yep, the question is about the recordings. I put the playlist recording in the chat as well as contact information for Luis if you want to reach out to him. And I'm just curious, Luis, now that the markets have really picked up in terms of volatility, it must have been kind of challenging beforehand when the volatility was quite low last year. How did trading work for you in that environment? Yeah, of course, we all live by volatility, but the Matlab strategy accommodates to the market. So it's better, of course, when volatility picks up, but based on the math, it's accommodates. So it's a really trend-following longer-term strategy. So if markets go its down, then we know how to sell. I mean, if we markets tend to go up, it flips. So it doesn't have any kind of a preference for the markets. And also, when volatility goes down, there are always markets that are more volatile. So I tend to watch the markets like crude or the gold. So it's really dependent. You have to be flexible. So you just cannot marry yourself with a market. Oh, yes, it's the only ones. You have to be flexible because that's how you learn to, you have to survive with volatility. The DX feed, please, can you clarify if the DX feed also provide the years future contracts? And no, I mean, it's just the rhythmic data feed and the CQG and the DX feed takes the spy. The spy DX feed, the VXS, the X, for example, I have the spy right now also. And the VXS, I think it's really, really powerful to have because they dance together. I mean, really, when longer term liquidity comes in on VXS and let us check it out. I have the gen here, but let me show you. Here's longer term liquidity on the VXS, 33, 33. This guy wants to sell this VXS. That will create some kind of a pop on the ES, if VXS drops, yeah. Wow. More than one hour on this seminar. Yeah, we've kind of gone through lots of different, nice questions here for you.  I just hate PowerPoints. I prefer open questions and then unprepared on the rehearse and over-perform. Let's do that kind of thing. Stanislavski, theater technique. Robert De Niro uses it a lot. Just so you know, it's a fun thing that I learned from my times when I was dancer. So basically, depending on the day, you might be positioning yourself. It might be a really busy day with multiple instruments. Yeah, tend to trade four instruments, sometimes five. I'm managing 40 positions right now on differing FX as well, times two right at this moment. So it's like 80 positions right now on the crosses, on the FX at the same time. So I get a feeling, you get a feeling about the market, what it's tend to do. It's an algorithmic portfolio system. So it's also an edge, also kind of a, when markets were in the room, we were talking about kind of this top-ish pattern.  And that got my attention really, really good, actually it was really nice. And now for a couple of weeks ago, they started to shift, they started to change positions, like taking profit from all the shorts and shifting to the long, long positions that correlate with the years. And that's also really interesting. See how the algos are working. Right. And ignoring all these opinions, but oh, market is of a value. The algos, the strategies are more profitable than my opinion. I always listen to the strategies because my ego gets into my disturbing, you know, it's like, oh, I know better. No, I know it, the strategy knows it better. Just listen to that. It's a common thing to learn. Yeah, well, I think that pretty much wraps it up here. And I'm sorry if I didn't get to some of your guys questions here, but we've been going for like about an hour and 12 minutes or so. So I'll send the list of questions on to Luis and we can follow up the recordings. I put the link in the chat there to the playlist. You'll find the recording in there later today. And then also all of the contact information you can see in there for Luis as well. And just reach out to him if you have any questions. Luis, thank you very much. I mean, this was a really interesting and unique and highly professional view into this world here. And yeah, fantastic to see. I mean, I figure out, I think it's really, I mean, I really love to help out. And it got me, I mean, I'm getting better, much better, you always want to get better. And I get better, better also because I have to really explain things that I also learn and that it clarifies for me as well. And it's a process of learning. You never stop learning. I think it's, you have to be able to find your humbleness as a personality, whatever you do. I mean, if it's music, music, sports, academics, I mean, it's just standing, how do you say searching for knowledge? And I think it's never stopped. Yeah, thank you for sharing things. And I think it could help something out there. I hope so. Okay, all right, well, thank you everybody. And we'll send the questions onto Luis for later. Everyone take care and we'll catch up another time. All right, bye-bye, thanks. Okay, bye-bye.


In this video, we present the solution to question number two for practice exam number two for math 12-10 In which case we're asked to compute the limit as x approaches 2 of the function x squared minus 3x plus 1 over x plus 1 now because of continuity Oftentimes we can just plug in the number x equals 2 to compute the limit in this situation It could be given this as a rational function. The denominator goes to 0 So that's what we're that's what we're worried about right here if we just plug in x equals 2 You'll notice that the denominator you get 2 plus 1 which is going to turn out to be a 3 there's actually no problem about division by 0 here, so the The limit calculation will just be the function valuation as well So we'll plug in two into the numerator as well So we get 2 squared minus 3 times 2 plus 1 2 squared is a 4 3 times 2 is a negative 6 plus 1 So it's in which case we see that 4 minus 6 is a negative 2 plus 1 Negative 2 plus 1 is going to be a negative 1 so it looks like we get negative 1 third which gives us choice e


This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network It is Friday, which means decide to talk some player props for week number two across the NFL We're gonna break those down with Tom Vecchio getting his read on the week two slave may prop betting perspective and try to get you some winning Bets over at Fandall sportsbook for NFL week number two This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and number fire calm My name is Jim Sonnis. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire calm typically we have JJ Zachary's on this Friday show He is under the weather for this week. So JJ feel better. We'll talk to you once again next week But feeling his shoes is a guy Fully capable as you all know of doing so that is Tom Vecchio find Tom on Twitter at DFS Underscore Tom Tom of course an editor a number fire and a guy you've heard plenty here I'm covering the swim and will continue to hear plenty down the road as well Tom. Happy week two to you How you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I think Fridays in the NFL season are absolutely very interesting Hopefully we get some clarity on the injury reports No players that popped up over the past few days and really set up for an exciting weekend It looks like it looked like an okay week setting up It's like, okay We got a couple like guys banged up and then the Thursday injured reports rolling It's like the entire Bucks team is just gone. They've left this they've left this planet We saw Alvin Kamara sits and we saw Deandre switch sit again T Hagan's absent not do-do stuff But it may complicate him getting through concussion protocol Thursday was bad Tom kind of a bloodbath and that means not a lot of props posted But we do have some but I think that The good thing about this is that uncertainty is kind of where we can hopefully Catch the books napping a bit. So although it's frustrating although it can be tough for us You know filling out DFS lineups for prop betting. It's probably not the worst-case scenario, right? Right. I think that uncertainty brings a lot of potential value You know the Bucks were a team I had my eye on specifically with their wide receiver situation because I highly doubt Chris Godwin's gonna play right, you know He's gonna be on a limited snap count last week anyway, and he has his hamstring injury Mike Evans I assume he'll play. I think Julio. I think they're just resting him simply just you know veteran rest days I think he could present a lot of value in terms of probably wise on their part, right? Right, just a yardage or any time touchdown because he's probably the best option that they have You know, I don't know if you want to buy into like the March on Lattimore versus Mike Evans Like, you know shadow narrative or whatever it's gonna be, but Julio could be an option this week Yeah, we'll talk about the Bucks potentially later on we'll talk about some situations you're looking for and outline some hopefully For week number two before we do that though quick reminder that our college football week three betting podcast and our NFL week two Spreads money lines totals podcast are both already posted here on the covering the spread podcast feed find that by searching for covering the spread Wherever you get your podcast while you're there hit subscribe We are on the air five days per week now during NFL season So find that wherever you get your podcast hit subscribe and if you like what you hear leave us a rating interview as well Also, big news Fandall has an all-new mobile gaming app Fandall face-off Fandall face-off is where you compete in quick fun games against other real people for real cash It is all sorts of games that you're familiar with like home run derby wheel of fortune Puzzle and strategy games the Pat McAfee kicking game and more contests our action pack and last between two to five minutes So you can play on your couch waiting in line anywhere else wherever whenever on your schedule Plus you can practice for free any time whether it be head-to-head multiplayer or larger tournaments Fandall face-off has something for you plus in most contests You'll be matched against players of similar skill levels So you'll never be totally overmatched even as a beginner face-off is also tied to your fandall account and wallet So you can easily use your daily fantasy funds or sportsbook winnings in the app visit fandall.com Slash face-off or download the fandall face-off app in the Apple app store today to get in the game age and location Restrictions apply void were prohibited see terms at fandall.com Slash face-off dash terms or terms and conditions Let's dive in now to some prop bets here Tom for week number two before we talk about the actual prop bets So I want to talk to you about your specific process What you're doing a prop bets because we've heard you talk on the show here about season long props, but Single-game props obviously a very different beast. So what's your preferred market? Which market are you? Do you think you're best at and why do you think that's the case? Well, I think the the short answer for this would be in terms of what I'm targeting the most is anything that has value Right. It's it's a good line. You know, it's a good number on it. That's going to be targeting I think one of my favorites would be probably quarterback passing attempts just because that can be highly You know projected accurately in terms of game flow game script teams passing tendencies What they do on offense like those sorts of stats are can be really really accurate in terms of you know How many passing attempts a quarterback will have so I'll go to any line or any any market within for players that I think has Value I like the number, but I think one of my favorites is probably passing attempts because We get so much information from these teams on their usage and their tendencies And I think that really leads to really really accurate numbers for attempts for quarterbacks So higher spread games that have low totals probably aren't gonna be hitting the overs But something like last night for the chiefs and the chargers, you know, we saw Justin Herbert Cruz pass his passing attempts total So that's the problem spot that I probably go to most often Are you digging into like past to run ratios to try to determine that? You know, what's kind of the what's the secret sauce for you in terms of deciding what the proper number is there? Right, so I'd look at you know, just their pass rate overall or just past play percentage I think high spread close total games I think are a good indication of that and then I'll look at just general historic Trends what we see in games that finished like that. I was not too much this season going back to last year How often did they pass? You know those sorts of things? I think past play percentage and you know past versus runner probably the starting point and then you want to add in the game environment You know pace what we're gonna be seeing for expected pace of that game How many plays they should be running and kind of break it down Then I'll look at projections on what we have a number of fire Some other place across the industry average those outs and go from there Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense And it's kind of the plus of that is that we can get a read on past run ratios are really fast Because we've got week one data on that and like you said, that's a pretty sticky thing So let's talk about that more broadly in terms of what we can take from week one because we do have data on Player usage like you said past run ratio, which of the data we saw week one Do you care about? Which are you ignoring actively? You know, how are you kind of handling the week one element in betting week two? This is is always a great question this time of year It's like what are we reacting to what are we overreacting to what are we not reacting to enough? And I think ultimately for me a lot of it comes down to would be the counting stats Valuing those less. Yeah, because I'd rather look at a player's usage Rather than the actual production say, okay, is this player actually involved in the offense despite there being some inefficiencies You know, Joe Mixon had 27 carries. I think it was in week one. He only had like 80 yards It's rather inefficient, but we know he's gonna be involved in the offense So, you know questions about their offensive line Joe Burrow getting sacked a ton of times like they have some issues there But we know that Joe Mixon still didn't be involved So I'd rather look at their overall usage rather than specific efficiency From one game sample size and knowing that he's gonna be seeing 20 or so total touches per game So I'm not worried about a player piling up ton of yards or touchdowns wherever might be in week one I want to see They're involved in the offense where they're being used in the offense for running back You know inside the 20 carries those sorts of things rather than say, oh, they didn't have a touchdown I can't go back to them for this week, right? I was gonna make a joke about you know, you're not sitting safe on Barkley's rushing plus receiving number at like 190 But his reception receiving yardage profit is 25 and a half That's actually I was gonna make a joke, but that's actually pretty enticing So maybe I'm overreacting to what we saw in week one But you know it will circle back to him later on and as I mentioned not every product market is up yet We wanted to kind of get this to you earlier because these numbers move pretty fast And if there's a bad number that gets hung you want to get in on early So our our goal is to get this out here Right as stuff is being posted which means we might not have every every market available, but we do want to Kind of position you to hopefully find the right spots targets. Let's talk about some of those spots. You're looking at Tom We're looking to buy the situations for roles that are changing and things like that Because I get us inefficiencies in different markets Anything stand out to you week one in terms of roles or situations that you think We might want to target whether the prop is the market is up now or not Yeah, there's a few I think one of them it jumps We don't have yards props for this team or for this game overall But it would be the backfield situation for the New England Patriots Which has always been in an interesting situation over the number of years that Bellachic has been there But this is a pretty decent split of touches between Stevenson and Remandre Stevenson and Damian Harris when the time on recovery went on IR earlier this week There's obviously a lot of talk coming out of training camp that you know, they don't have an offense coordinator It's gonna be switching between Patricia and judge and all these sorts of things But there was some talk from Bellachic that he liked what Remandre Stevenson was doing in past protection They were using him in passing down roles and Damian Harris I believe his line for a touchdown is sitting at plus 110 We just double-checked that real quick for Harris anytime touch on that Damian Harris is plus 160 Excuse me Remandre Stevenson is at plus 230 That's the spot that I want with Stevenson because if we're looking at a near split And there's somewhat of a positive indication for Remandre Stevenson I'm gonna be taking the player that has longer odds that I don't think this is like anything groundbreaking But it's gonna be a coin flip between the two running backs. Why not take the one that has longer odds? So the Patriots are generally hard to get a read on anyway But I'm just gonna be going with hopefully some positive coach speak from Bellachic However much stock I want to put in that. I mean he said something positive about a player on his team He says like positive stuff about the opposing teams punter all the time Like that that doesn't matter but like something about his own team That's at least intriguing and I think that the good thing too with the Stevenson part of it Is like you said, he's probably gonna be the more likely guy to get the passing game work there And what that does is it gives you multiple paths to hitting also We've seen running backs against Pittsburgh get a lot of work in the passing game mixing the nine targets last week I believe all nine were before overtime in that game I I know we had a lot of work before over time in that game But overall we do see backs get a lot of work against Pittsburgh So Stevenson plus 235 for an entire touchdown there could be a spot to go to and also you check out the receiving props For Stevenson once they are posted on the Patriots side of things as well Good. Yeah, the next one to jump back to what we mentioned earlier would be Julio Jones Yeah for the roles that are changing just Complete uncertainty with the Bucks wide receiver core Godwin's probably to miss Evans is gonna play Do we want to go to Julio knows Cameron breaking the mix? How often is he gonna be targeted? Like that's the situation I want to bind to but there's no yards or touchdown props listed for that game at all Yeah, and they probably won't be until the injury report comes out given that Julio didn't practice Evans in practice Gage is banged up too. Let's say Julio or Evans drooled out Would you be looking at anyone there or would it just be a situation? Maybe you're looking at the under in that game at that point. It has it's still 44 and a half I'm a little bit surprised hasn't come down given all the offense vendors on both sides of this game Right. The under would probably be the play for me in that spot You know it would depend on what? You know for nets touchdown prop would be out if they stick to their running game a little bit more You know Cameron Brady's always good for like two receptions for on three targets one touchdown 16 yards Like that's always the spot that I'll be looking if it's gonna be like plus 350 or something. Yeah Yeah, for sure braid is annoying is what I would say for as a DFS player it bothers me a lot, okay So we do some yardage Totals up for a couple of games Are there any sending out to you there that you like or any other situations you may turn to once yardage? Numbers are off to see if you can find some value in other spots where we might not have a number just yet Right one of them we spoke about briefly prior to coming on would be Aaron Jones for the Packers receiving yards over 29 and a half This is a spot that I think a lot of people were interested in looking at for the Packers overall as an offense What were they gonna be seeing no Devonte Adams? No MvS this year. What was the split can be between? Jones and Dylan in the backfield and I think you know as I mentioned Previously on covering the spread in August. I think I'm gonna see Jones playing more of a Alan Camaro Lining up out wide lining up in the slot to save him and leave that rushing like hard rushing work to AJ Dylan So if that's gonna be around 29 or 30 where it's gonna be for Jones, I like the over on that It's also a bounce back spot for the Packers and and frankly Aaron Jones is the most trusted receiver for Aaron Rodgers and the Pasadena, you know, there were a lot of a lot of talk after last week about Some of the mental errors for some of the receivers from Aaron Rodgers and that's gonna happen If that means a lot of you know easy dump downs to Aaron Jones I'll take that number. I also believe they said after the game They needed to get the ball in Aaron Jones's hands more So it's kind of a coach speak type situation in that in that regard as well And I think looking at the the way the backfield broke down there I Think a lot of that was because the game was pretty much over and I know the score was not super wide But you could tell the Packers. I mean Jordan loved playing that game that should tell you all you need to know So I don't think the split there was as cavernous as it may have looked at first glance I knew the artist props three before we move on to touchdown props. No, there's a I'm waiting on some I'm waiting on some teams. I actually for all these to be posted with the injury reports You know, I was big on AJ Brown last week So I I want to go to receiver on on the commanders I just don't know who it is yet. Yeah, depending on what that that line is gonna be Okay, so we'll check out the commanders receivers once those are up I also do think the Saquon Barkley 25 and a half receiving yards number is Intriguing is what I would say there. Let's dive into the touchdown props now. We do have a lot of these posted We do have a lot of those in most games the touchdown props besides the Stephenson wants any out to you Mark Andrews plus 135. I think is good. He's by I'm gonna say by far But he is the number one receiving option for the Baltimore Ravens and we're getting at pretty solid plus money I think that's a spot that I want to be going I think we should see some decent points in this game between Miami and Baltimore think that's solid Michael Pittman is obviously interesting because we know it's a favorable match of going up against Jackson Nobody popped up on the injury report the most recent time the most recent day on yesterday Thursday And then Dale Darren Waller also plus 135 Not sure what we've seen from the Cardinals defense this year or lack there of defense and you know Kelsey put up a pretty solid performance against them and when we're looking at Devante and was a minus 200 for a touchdown not a spot that I want to be going But we know that there's obviously a very strong connection between Carr and Waller specifically in the red zone and if we're gonna be seeing a lack of tight end defense or a Failure against tight ends from the Cardinals defense. I think plus 135 was pretty solid Yeah, the the Cardinals last year pretty good against tight ends, but I think they might have had a three to There are three touchdowns to tight ends last week I know how Kelsey got one did Jody Fordson had one, too Yeah Kelsey have two or is that Kelsey had one Jody Fordson had one I thought that Noah Gray had one, but he must have just had an end zone target, but not a reception I have a lot of Noah Gray and dynasty, which is why I care about this but it was to Jody Fordson and Travis Kelsey Fordson kind of a Receiver-ish type guy, but so was Darren Waller. So I think that one does make a lot of sense too So plus 135 on the wall into any time touchdown in plus 135 for Mark Andrews as well I know the prop bets sending out to you on the board right now for week two Tom Not as of now. I think that this game between the Cardinals and the Raiders I think passing attempts for both quarterbacks could be in play just because we're looking at a higher over under It's a you know one score spread. I think that is solid Also going to probably receiving props for Denver I think that they obviously need a bit of a bounce back spot would be interesting Bangles Cowboys. I'm pretty hesitant on that game just because we're gonna be seeing Cooper rush at quarterback I think this could be a slower low scoring game. The one I would go to I think would hopefully be a buyback spot or now that I've seen this one just got posted but yardage props for Rams and Falcons Is now posted since we came on Allen Robinson is going to be intriguing to me I think there's obviously a bit of an overreaction after week one We saw the Falcon's struggle on the outside last week versus Mike Thomas So if Cooper cups going to be lining up in the slot, I assume Someone of the Falcons defense going to be focused on him It should leave someone of an opening for Allen Robinson who's already in a good matchup, you know defensively I think that at 49 and a half is at least interesting and his any time touchdown for Allen Robinson is Plus 130 What's your take on that? Seems appropriate. I would say I think I think they're trying to get us to bite back on that one Based on that the one I wanted to ask you about actually is going back to Bangles Cowboys game other any time touchdown Joe Mixon is minus 135. That is a It's a short number But I still think there might be value there. Is that dumb? I think that's a good number. Am I wrong? No, I don't I certainly don't mind minus 135 I would say I have a A little bit more retolerance for laying a little bit more as long as there's value there Again, we look back to last week and I said, you know, he didn't score This 27 rushing attempts. He has all these targets in the passing like he's involved in the offense Like we know that and despite not finding the end zone I think minus 135 is is still pretty good against the defense that Looked good last week, but it was also week one against an offense that didn't really have it all together. So I think that's fine. I wouldn't one question I have about the Jets. I know this kind of off the board I I know it's not just specifically about the Jets. It's about like bad-ish offenses in general Like they're going to score some points this week At least you would hope they would score some points this week Yeah, as I'm seeing right now, it would be micro carter plus 220 for the first jet listed for a touchdown Like do you have interest in going to quote-unquote bad offenses and simply taking long odds because My question is do they score? I answer that's my question as well It's like if anyone's going to score it's going to be them But plus 220 for the best offensive player at least listed by the book is pretty good Yeah, and you can also run on the Browns. So I could see that being a situation where potentially There could be some value there. It does seem like they have a pretty I know that breeze hall got a lot of work in the second half last week But everything they said about this backfield a lot of distribution has been pretty heavily favoring michael carter So I don't think that's a bad number By any especially because like the browns second area is very good. If I were the Jets I would not be testing them. So I think the biggest question is do they score That's kind of the primary one. I would have that's what I have like week to week I see these No quote-unquote bad offenses like listen the first player listed is plus 200 or plus 250 If anyone's going to score it probably should be him. Yeah, uh, most likely I want to circle back to denver. You mentioned them as being a spot you want to go to I have I live in road islands I wrote out in sportsbook pulled up. So I'm just picking your brain from my own personal interest But uh, we got jerry judy 57 and a half courtland sudden is 54 and a half. I think those should be flipped I'm pretty sure sudden should be higher. But that's just me. Uh, givante 20 and a half receiving yards Interesting they there's the report today that he will be the primary passing game back for them Albert oak away bonhomme 30 and a half any number sent out to you across those I think the sudden one might be the one that interests me most at 54 and a half potentially taking an over there But any read for you on those I also find them very intriguing this week Yeah, I don't have those listed for me yet the the receiving props But givante had 11 targets on monday night, correct 12. Yeah, he'd 11 catches. I think 11 catches He had 12 targets and you said he said 20 and a half or 29 20 and a half yards 20 and a having That sounds pretty good to me. All right. Here we go. I got this we're gonna do this I don't have any listed yet, but well, it's it's wrote out in sportsbook. I don't think you can bet there So, uh, you know, um, most people can't I can um, I'm gonna pull this up Not that you know shot for the best line and see what you got but I only got one We have to assume that 12 targets Is not going to be the standard correct, but it is against houston There's obviously positive coach speak that they want him involved as the primary pass catching back, correct uh, yeah, I think Like once I see the numbers posted for me. I mean connecticut like yeah, I'm gonna be on board with with williams I'll be on board with judy and and sudden. I think those are both obviously good spots Well, I took it. So we're good to go now got givante over 20 and a half I do think the seguan one is interesting too, but givante that's that's pretty fun as well That is tom ofecchio check him out on twitter at dfs underscore tom and check out He's been writing prop pieces for the island games Uh, so make sure to check those out over at numberfire.com if you're about to watch Monday night football you want to get some bets in check out tom's work over at number fire to get some player props For those island games tom, you'll be back here on coming to spread plenty So i'm looking forward to having you then but thank you for swinging by for today Good luck to you with your prop bets and other stuff in week two and we'll talk to you once again soon Thanks for having a good look to you as well. Thank you again. 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