This is a Y254 discussion mandate that is if you just tuned in and our discussion tonight we are looking at the proposer of affordable housing by the government where if the government finds its way through from the petitions in court to have its proposed affordable housing then all canyons in formal employment will have to part with 1.5% of the earnings in the contribution towards this project that the government wants to see about 500,000 houses built by 2022 and this is a conversation that has brought a naprol out here and tonight discussion mandate is what it wants to look about and we dwell into that but before then I will ask my guess one question do you support this Daniel? No I don't support this initiative. Okay let me be honest I have my reservations as regards to this 1.5% house living so if it was well crafted and it was well looked into then I would have no objections but I have some reservations. So the conversation has been ongoing and the government assures Kenya that there was public participation into this because many people are saying we were not involved and maybe from your knowledge was there any public participation towards this project and how did the government arrive at 1.5% to have this project? Well again it's quite critical to consider some of these put them into perspective because public participation is one of the requirements in article 10 of the constitution. This is a national values that we are having is one of them but then why would we have public participation after the declaration of a project? So each and every time I hear the feedback about you know we consulted who did you consult, how did you arrive into conclusion and how was the report made. Now look here, one of the big four agenda is on affordable housing and I always say that matters of housing is not really a problem. When you look at housing you deal with access, affordability and quality, that's what defines the housing.  You've put it so clearly that you know if you wanna tax 1.5% from my salary you only tax what I've worked for in my pay. The report in this country shows that almost 65% of the youth are either unemployed or undiemployed. So unemployment means they're at home and hustling to get something to do. Undiemployment means they're employed but then getting little in consumerate what they should get. So when you tax 1.5% from undiemployment salary you end up you know putting these young people into under privileged conditions. So well Gujiri would want to be very diplomatic about it. Well I say that you see when you have you either support an initiative you don't have a reservation about bad policies. So the policy about you know the housing is either that we tell the government come on be real or could you retract back and consider some of the integrities about this policy. It's not about policy but as far as I'm concerned I think Kenyans would not be cohast into paying 1.5% if they did not earn something. How Gujirias you respond to that you will tell us whether you are involved. You see my friend Daniel says that I either support or don't support. Yet he's the one who says that it is not a bad policy but he said he opposes it. So I can see the double standards of my colleague here. But again I was talking to Nicholas yesterday in Muraga County. Nicholas who? A 34 year old man who is an employee that works at the informal sector. Okay. Today again I talk to Gabriel who is also in the informal sector and is not employed by government in Jujia constituency. There are some of the concerns that I got from both of them is we don't know what this housing levy is about. What will happen to us who are not employed. So that one speaks to the question you just asked as regards to whether I was consulted or not. I was never consulted. So you also didn't know? Of course public participation one of the prescript of public policy is that the people that are going to be involved in a decision must be involved in the decision making process. That is outright and for government it would have been very key if they got better alternatives. I don't oppose the housing project but again my reservations are as follows. Number one, where is the good number of unemployed Kenyans? Number two, what is the formula that will be used to distinguish who will get that affordable house? Who will not get? Number three, why do you want to force or why must people be forced to pay taxation that they will not benefit from? Let me tell you something Hilary. In since 2012 there is an organization called Habitat for Humanity in the United States. It is a global humanity agency that partnered with overseas corporations in order to use American entrepreneurs to invest over 300 US dollars. How it worked was through financing microfinance institutions. Those are banks, circles and those microfinance institutions would then create credit that would enable the commoners to be able to get affordable loans which was optional. And those people would be able to now build their affordable houses. So my reservations are number one. How many do you have? Listen, let me make my point. I know it was an iridescent venture by government to ever dream of giving its citizens affordable houses. But again it is not each and every person who needs that house. Some have. So let me ask government to look into that policy again once more. As we speak we have petitions in court from the Federation of Kenyans Employers and the Consumer Federation of Kenya. So we won't dwell much on that because it's a matter in court already. But we are saying if this thing goes on then we will have to, people in the formal employment will have to part with 1.5% of the earnings. But then we have people who are servicing mortgages. We also have people who own their houses. We in Gisana they have their homes. I'm assuming a person who is 40 years they have their house. So if they will have to contribute this 1.5% whose house will they be building? Yes, their children or do they have a right to sell it maybe later? Well I think those are the issues I see. This is very unpopular policy and I still insist on what I said before. One you've actually intimated that you see there are people who are still in housing mortgages and they are paying. Some are paying long time for a long time. I was just wondering and asking myself a question. Should the government facilitate a citizen to get a house?  These are questions that we are lingering on my mind. What I'm thinking is from a human right based approach, housing is a necessity and that becomes a right. You know our constitution. I think at equal 40 is you read it through those are third generation rights that will come with this constitution. And it's all Kenyans should be given an affordable and accept in quality houses. Now he's brought up a very very important element. I want to refer you not very far. Right here in Langata the government through the UN Habitat had initially rolled up a housing project, a location of the housing. And everybody is aware that as we speak the residents of Kibra in Langata who are relocated to those houses sold the houses. Or others render the mouths and they are still getting you know house rent until we speak. Yes. So I think it speaks on the government. That was so loud to the government that people saying you know our issue probably might not be a house. And I agree with what he says now it probably should not be a house. But our issue is trying to make a living. You know get enough economical empowerment that is able to help us pay for the house. So the question is why did Kibra residents rented the houses that were given by UN Habitat at upgrading program went back to the slums and government thought they needed houses. So there are so many critical issues that we really need to step by step again. We are into a government and I think it's always important also to provide an option. Not only to criticize the government but also give the government an option. The option is revise on the strategy. Big for example houses that we have in Makadara in Jamhuri or in other areas that are owned by the government probably through the Nairobi City County or all devol system of government. Remember president actually ask the government to come to the state house so that you would share the big for agenda. So my proposal the initial houses why would you try to renovate the houses or if the spacing within those houses construct other houses. Right. And where they need be that you relocate canyons relocate them in those houses because 500,000 houses within a span of three years it's not attainable. So I think that would just become a foundation of affordable housing which is in the big for agenda. All right. As opposed to it becoming a white elephant project. Bojira you respond to that question. I also want you to tell us in your own opinion where do you think these houses will be. Are we speaking about Nairobi how about other 46 counties the people in the rural they have their homes. Yes. Where are they building in the Shambas or they will come to Nairobi. I think that is what I want to understand as a youth. Yes again to quote what Zak Gashamba would tell me in one of our discussions about this housing levy. Number one. The position of the young people is that you must empower them and give them jobs so that they can be able to make a living.  If you are able to give jobs to the young people then that one means that they will be able even to access mortgages. You see we have a national housing corporation which is indeed dreaming of building 500,000 houses in a good time. So that one tells you that if you empower the young people then you are taking a step in the right direction. Then coming back to your question I know of the government's plan to have those houses in urban centers. I also know that in some I don't know whether would call them some urban rural or the grammar they are about. But then those houses will be built not like it will be a one house venture. Like my friend Daniel will have his own house. It will be maybe a one flat. If you need a bed-seater you get your bed-seater. You need a one bedroom you get one bedroom. No this bed-seater will equal the amount I have contributed. And for how long? You see a bed-seater is going to cost about 600,000. So number one I ask myself very many questions because if we are going to live as a community in that particular flat it means that we will have to pay for the caretakers allowances. We will have to pay the maintenance allowances. We will have to pay perhaps the gatekeeper. We will have to pay so many other services. So as I look it from a prismatic angle I see a very expensive affair here whereby if we are not careful we are going to see a situation whereby people will either like he said rent those houses or even sell them. Yes. Not withstanding the kind of expensive budgeting that has been put in place. Alright Orogo let me touch where the youth will be much pressed. We have a big number like you just mentioned we have a big number of people who are not employed and if they employed they are under employed. Now I am looking at this span. They want to have these houses. Who will build them? Right because I am sure we will have a case of tendapreneurship in this case. We will have people because so and so can do a good job let him have it and then I hear the government will buy from it but then where is the youth? This youth who has no job maybe for the last ten years and he is expected to have a house in three years. What will happen? Well also bringing another factor to it is most of the employment and you could see this from the statistics. I am sure that young people most of them are on contract basis. And when you subject somebody on contract it means that when you begin to cut the levy you are not assured how long that young person is going to stay on that job for some time. So where is the youth? I think from time in memorial you have seen that the only place young people especially on the industrial activities or probably at the manual trying to build, carry the bricks and all these things. Khajulwak. Khajulwak and so it brings a very interesting question. First of all you are building houses that would actually house a generation of young people who are probably between 18 to 35 years right now.  It might not even be within three years. This is just a foundation probably. And that young person is not on permanent job employment, is on a contract. And those who are not on a contract are placed at Khajulwak, the Khajulwak laborers. So I think is one of the policies that is strategically and it's inspired to exclude the young people both in job and those who are within informal settlement who will provide the labor to this thing. Remember there's another component that we are yet to touch. Like you said tender prenuas and end up prenuas the building materials might or might be exported as well. We still do not know. So if it is in a case that this will be exported it actually brings to a very very important element that young people who are actually building blocks and burning bricks and all over from the rural areas that could supply might not get employment. Gujiri I know you are supporting the government. I agree. I know it is by government. And it is his opinion is allowed. It's one of the things that we should actually be very concern about that we are not here to find poke holes each and every time in what the government does. But it's important for this government to listen to a chunk that contributes a lot of economical growth to this country and these are the young people always each and every time involve them, participate, ask them their question, get their feedback so that this project should be well. It is in the entire generation. Yes, as one of the young citizens who would want to see Kenya in the better side of the economic giants in this world perhaps I would want to take a case of an advanced democracy like the United States whereby they have like I said an overseas private investment corporation which is composed of American entrepreneurs that are able to finance and you just asked who will build the houses that are being promised by government. So the US has that cooperation which now is comprised of the private sector people who are able to finance the cooperation and they are able to give or they are able to create credit to microfinance institutions that covers the unemployed because we also have the unemployed populace in this country and they are the majority people in the informal sector so we also need to have them on board whereby the government has a kitty like in the US they have a micro build fund that is what they normally call it Even in Kenya we need also to have a fund that takes care of those who are not yet employed but would wish to have affordable housing. Again, the government... We are running out of time if you give. If we look at now in a general principle as regards to what the government has promised the 1.5 house levy Number one, let me say it is a good thing especially as a growing country to also benchmark even with advanced democracies but again, let us look at who needs these houses are we talking of concentrating more on housing and forgetting health are we talking which health is a basic it should be a basic requirement for any human being survival because without health people cannot be able to work and create for economy so let us... we can focus on food security more we can focus on universal health care more we can focus on manufacturing more which even is a decent public policy which creates jobs which is able to create money to the economy which can also be used to finance mortgage for these people to build houses so without health and food security and manufacturing I think that even this housing project will not be achieved so let us first arrange them Number one, food security let us make sure that people we have something Number two, they are healthy and number three, they have jobs those who need houses can be able even to build for themselves but those who feel that they can be included in the government's housing scheme can also join the board so I joined the paragon of saying let those that wish to have their houses in the government scheme have and let those who are employed but also wish to take a mortgage in a private venture do it Alright, yes 30 seconds You know, gudili paaz of this sometimes and it's your final recommendation This is something that has been gazetted Listen, let's be real Let's... the last opportunity is that he's going to... No, no, no the government had already gazetted this it means it's something that has already taken an effect without consultation and without proper mechanism to do this so this is something that has already taken an effect our economy is at 5.6% and therefore if we begin to comparatively talk about for example Singapore and US I think it's important that we be real to the situation that are affecting Kenyans and I agree with him when he says if you are willing to get a housing would you just tell the government that I am willing so that the government would actually categorize you in the area that should be given housing if you are hard pressed if you are hard pressed then there is no way the government would actually force an apology so far this is a policy that I oppose and subject to a number of issues that should be looked into but so far from where I stand it's really unpopular Alright, we are out of time I would love us to continue this conversation Gonjure, I know you are so much pressed you want to say something but we don't have time many thanks for coming and sharing your comments and opinion I hope this information will get out there and something will be done We have been my guest in Gojure Kariuki and Daniel Orogo many thanks for keeping us company coming up next is Waimasha Riki I hear Susumila will be around so keep it Y254 and know what will happen on Waimasha Riki see you on Friday Dereva Hillary is my name


hi guys good evening or good afternoon wherever you are welcome to the webinar today okay we just wait for a couple more minutes for everyone to turn in okay and then I will start the session for today so today I'm going to talk about harmonic pattern okay you guys can share with me any one of you guys are using harmonic pattern to train alright how are you guiding so far can you guys hear me good morning good morning okay where you from good morning because my time zone is evening okay loud and clear alright my size is 5 30 okay wow and I've been there even 30 okay that's still morning a few of you guys joining anyone of you guys I'm joining the webinar for the first time 5 30 from Philippine all right it's the same time here in Singapore yes evening yes nice to see you here yeah first time okay alright guys so if any one of you guys the first time and you guys don't know about Fibonacci level you may get confused okay because today's section is about harmonic pattern which is actually they are using the Fibonacci level so okay you let me know okay if you get confused I will try to go it slowly because like I said but if you guys your first time and then you already know how to draw Fibonacci and then I think that shouldn't be a problem alright okay wow that's quite a number of you guys first time today Nigeria wow that's far away okay first time a few of you guys first time alright okay so these are for S1 traded um okay so basically for the tick mill we do the web penis I think every once a week okay so basically we start from the beginning and then you know all the topic like it's like from the beginning until the at once I believe and then if you guys miss certain like section or you did not attend like before like I say today's section you guys might get confused okay but again I think we will do repeat the topic one in a few months maybe okay just want to like tell some of you guys who the first time today like I say if you guys already know how to use Fibonacci then there should be a problem then should not be a problem today but if you guys did not know like don't know how to draw Fibonacci today you make it confused okay because I say how many pattern basically the youth Fibonacci level okay but it's okay if you have any question you can ask me I will try to go slowly okay okay I don't give you kind waiting again guys welcome to the webinar today okay so today I'm going to talk about how many pattern if you guys already knows about this topic you can let me know like some of you guys is still first time welcome to the webinar and please join the next webinar you will learn something because we will I will share with you guys those like technique even those are beginning for the beginner or at once all right so before I go like go to the section this camera first okay as usual guy remember that everything in this video is education is education in nature alright nothing should be construed at investment or trading advice if you come to trade please do your own do this then before you guys trade alright okay so about myself you guys some of you already know some of you or not know my name is Peggy I'm a trade analyst at Everfrozen group be a partner with Thickmail which is you will see me or some of my colleagues every once a week alright we are finalists for the best epic research in 2019 20 and 21 and the finalists for the best equity research in 2020 and 21 actually I myself am a prop trader as well okay and today what I'm going to cover which is what's our harmonic different type of harmonic okay and then we will go into reason market structure which is recap and how exactly do you need how many pattern okay okay so what is harmonic alright so basically like I say how many pattern is a reflect geometric price structure which is follow people energy level okay and we use harmonic pattern you know to find the unique price movement or actually we play the reversal so so basically if you guys already know the harmonic pattern is something like that right and then for the we wait for the price this is a D for example we wait for a price to read a certain level or to compete the harmonic pattern and if you will play the sale order over here so basically how many pattern is also about trading reversal wait for the price reversal and then we will either place the buy or sale order but how to trade I will show you guys later okay and some of the trader okay actually they also use harmonic pattern for fine or to place the take profit and stop lot alright and how many pattern also can help you to attempt to predict the price movement in the future this is why how many pattern is different from other maybe take maybe like technique right and also how many pattern is allow you to buy any moment which is for example if you think that okay that is like they're going to form like ABC and then maybe you say okay this is my gonna be for example gonna be like maybe bad pattern and then you will place the buy order from here that is kind of more like at one if you you guys already know how to trade or they also can tell you where you're going to place stop lot of profit actually based on Fibonacci confluence zone so basically okay so different top of harmonic I'm going to cover I'm not going to cover all like today okay so basically that is some fine pattern we have got laid crap bad butterflies cypher shark and crap actually we have alternate crap as well it depends where the deep point is ending okay just basically like six pattern but I think the most common one is like bad and butterfly and crap okay so just go back to the basic okay if some of you guys already know or don't know basically how many pattern actually it's AB equal to CD okay so maybe this is some of the other table you may charge let's say if C point retread 38.2% basically D will ending with 261.8% which is BC extension and what you can see here AB equal to CD basically the distance of AB will be sorry okay AB if you have to get a CD or D point which is actually a CD the distance is equal to AB that's what they call AB equal to CD pattern okay so if I draw like here okay what you can see here actually it's a harmonic pattern like X A B C D alright so you see if I draw from here and it's X A B C D so basically that the table you just have to remember or you cannot remember that it's okay sometimes I cannot remember everything I just pin those like the pattern a chat pattern or whatsoever number on my then on my table and then you know sometimes I cannot remember I just have a loop and then you know help me to memorize so basically this is a common one which is let's say if the C point which is this one okay is retread 61.8% usually D point will be ending with 161.8% of BC extension okay so I will try to go it slowly because they're gonna be two section alright for the harmonic pattern I'm not going to like put everything in one section because I think that gonna be quite like a lot of things for you guys to remember but let me log into trading view just give me a one side sorry I think I just forgot to sign in okay okay so give me one minute okay okay so okay so basically what I what I mean by like okay like A B equal to let's say this is A okay and B okay B and what is over here they say that okay so here they say that um let's say if C retrace 61.8% and BC extension is 161.8 what does it mean it like okay you draw fee bowl right it's my okay visible Nancy okay a to be okay I pull out all people um okay let's say if C retrace a point okay which is retrace here 61.8% here so BC extension how you can see okay here I removed line okay BC extension you're used AB how you can see okay first they say like AB equal to how you get the delay right so basically you use this one okay this is the range first okay this is the right you can either you copy like this okay and then you get the D point it's okay D here I don't want you get D or you can use BC extension from B to C here BC extension is you see 61.8% which is that's why it's called here this one okay alright here so this is why they say AB equal to CD either you can use the distance from A to B to get the D point or you use BC extension which is you draw fee bowl form you use the extension form like okay which is the anyway so extension from BC and then you get extension right just now I draw one more time here to here and then I go to off it okay this one 161.8% BC extension okay yeah alright it's what I mean how you draw okay so back to our slide any question I see okay hi welcome to the webinar it's okay if you just draw I just started okay and then you can remember these let's say easy point ending retrace 78.6% BC extension 127 this is really common month so if you cannot remember everything it's okay so basically if C retrace how to find a retracement you draw from A to B always draw from your left to the right okay yeah they retrace 78.6% which is here this level okay 78.6% okay BC extension is you see okay BC extension we should be to see it's here 127.2 here which is our D point and this is the one and what's about if you measure somewhere around here and then you curve yes you see exact somewhere here okay that's why BC equals to AB equal to CD pattern okay and what you see see from here right like I say the harmonic if I go to draw like either like here this is an egg that's why this is something like harmonic pattern already if you draw these are eggs okay it could be here or could be here something like that right okay okay back to our slide okay okay like I say how to find the AB equal to CD I will tell you the C will determine the ending of D point which is this the one okay and the D point you can draw Fibonacci extension from B to C which is from B to C and then you get like the D leg here or you can measure from the rank A to B to get from here to here to get like the D point right you can measure or you can use Fibonacci expansion as well like again the ending of the D point should be like the D point if you want to trade like reversal zone here that should have support resistant for the confirmation if you want to trade like reversal zone or that should have like demand and demand and surprise zone somewhere on your left and then you can you know place the sale order over here okay there might have confirmation okay and how many patterns there will be like two actually is retracement and extension okay so whatever retracement we have which we have cut late and bat okay and for harmonic extension extension meaning whatever above X level like D okay you have that alternate bat which is D will be ending with like 1 1 3 percent and we have butterfly and we have crab okay all these three is extension and all these two is retracement all right and C is have to retrace at least today percent cannot go below a point okay C cannot go below a point all right and how to find the PRC zone or potential reversal zone like I say you can use like XA and then you will get like the D point which is our extension or you can use a BC extension which is BC which is you draw Fibonacci from B to C right just now then you get like extension okay remember I draw just now or you can use like you know AB equal to CD which is this this turn from AB and then you press then you will get the D point all right okay so now I'm going to talk about bat pattern how is bat pattern work which is okay actually bearish or bullish is the same I mean the level is just at the middle of each other so basically how you get a bat pattern is B point this is the B point okay should retrace between 38 by 2 percent to 50 percent of XA let me let me let me try to draw for you okay you give me a while right I cannot you can see my slide guys so far let me see can you guys see can you can you guys see my slide because it's always asked me to resume okay okay I try to copy like this one way I cannot sorry sorry anyway okay so I try to like copy this but it doesn't allow me to do okay let me just remove okay what's over here they say that bat pattern okay I try to do the bat pattern for you for example okay over here okay they say B point should retrace how you draw to get the B point here so basically they say that B point I draw people from X to A okay people I go slowly okay here B point which is this one have to retrace no not this is bat bat bat 38 to 50 percent which is here in this case we just say okay it's retrace 50 percent okay these are 50 percent okay you see these are 50 percent of the B point okay and the C point it retrace between 38 point 2 and 8 8 points in how you get a C point here okay you draw the ball from your A to B okay I off it okay like you guys cannot see A to B okay the C point have to retrace whatever cannot go below C point okay it can assume for you to see okay maybe make a bit bigger right make it's not too small I also cannot see okay it's retrace between 38 it's okay whatever until 8 8 point 6 percent okay but cannot go below A okay in this case it's retrace at 7 8 point 6 percent it's okay okay it's like that okay I think I will just remove okay yeah okay and we already get a C point what's about the D point D point idle you can use the retracement okay because this is a harmonic pattern is a retracement right so you draw F to A and then 8 8 point 6 I think that's wrong let me change my 8 8 point 6 okay okay it's ending 8 8 point 6 percent okay 8 8 point 6 percent you get D point which you draw F to A and then retrace 8 8 point 6 percent that's how you get the D point or you can use the extension between B C extension B C extension which is 161 to 260 1 point 8 percent which is B C we draw Fibon from B to C here like here right here my ending here okay but I'm higher here and B C extension which they say between this is B C extension so this B C extension okay so 161 to 261 point 8 so in this case what you can see that okay this is our prc zone 8 8 point 6 percent okay what you can see over here okay 8 8 point 6 percent here and here so minion this is our conference zone basically this is our maybe somewhere here do I have the time it's our prc or potential reversal zone okay here meaning that when the price come here we will have the planning sale order over here okay basically the prc zone will be somewhere have a Fibonacci conference in this in this case we have 8 8 point 6 percent and then you can see that for the extension B C extension which is D point is have 200 percent here like I'll give 8 8 point 6 percent so this is our prc zone okay oh there is question would there be a copy there is no copy I think for the thing me we don't have any copy after the webiness but about videos I'm not so sure I don't think they upload on the like YouTube okay okay so this is a bad pattern okay so we see this is bad pattern right let me go back to the um the slide which is here okay so just now it's a valid bad so this is a D point just now right we have 8 8 point 6 percent and then D point is somewhere like 200 percent and then you place the sale order here which is um we wait for the bar for the sale for the bullish but actually the the number is same which is at the middle of the appellage okay any any you guys can follow so far okay right I will try to go slowly okay what's about the alternate bad actually the alternate bad is um extension how many extension what does it mean is that what just now D cannot go above X level that's why um retracement at 8 8 point 6 percent but in this case whatever go above X 1 usually D we're ending with the 1 1 1 3 percent of X 8 so basically everything is the same it's just that um can be here okay D point for the bad now we're going for alternate bad right so we see alternate bad which is um X but delete first okay if um X a okay I go for all people okay ending with 1 3 1 here okay this is alternate bad which is D point is go above X point is it extension is 1 1 3 1 1 3 you can see right over here and what they say um let me see okay and they also say that you also can find D point use a projection between 200 and 361 of BC okay actually you also can use a BC extension from B to C okay and then you get alternate bad here okay you don't get confused right this somewhere like over here so basically our PRC zone should be somewhere here like this this zone right it's mine okay the PRC zone here they say that the protection if you guys know Fibon and you guys know ticks right actually the harmonic pattern is just have to find a confine zone and then you place the buy or sell order based on Fibonacci level of Fibonacci confines okay let's say 200 here to 316 that 25 so somewhere here okay confine zone is here this um PRC zone over here okay okay let's we go to our slide okay alternate bad okay what's about butterfly pattern so basically let me just go to the information first the rule for the butterfly is B should retract 78.6 percent of XA A XA and then you get the B point 78.6 percent how you get the C point you see the same you draw Fibonacci from A to B you get the retracement between 38.2 to 88.6 percent of A B okay and the D point okay either you can use um extension okay which is 127.2 to 141 percent or 141 percent of A B okay A A B and then you get the extension okay I will tell you how to draw okay how we're going to find a butterfly okay it's over here okay this is you want to use how many just go here yeah and then you just put the XA um so basically um butterfly is I just used um bellies okay maybe like here so make it bigger we do the okay they say how to get a B point okay you draw Fibonacci from X to A like here or you're ending here okay they say that I have two retraces 78.6 percent of XA so you get a B point here okay 78.6 percent and C how you get the so there's a C one okay which is X to A here okay I pull all Fibonacci okay let me remove 70.6 percent have to retrace between 38 whatever from 38 here could retrace here anything between 38 to 88.6 percent here or anything around here also can okay between like this one to this level okay usually the C point will be retracement between 38.2 to 88.6 percent then you get a C leg or you get a C point okay one get a C point how you get the D point you use Fibonacci extension which is you can use um I think that will be extension which is should be XA okay I think that will belong that will be XA between 121 and 41412 which is 172 here or it could go up until here here okay or you also can use um BC extension BC extension okay I remove this one first BC okay I draw B to C point which is here okay but I move a little bit further here but the level is still the same BC extension for butterfly which is this level so potentially this is our this zone is our PRC zone okay here is our PRC zone okay this is how you get the um butterfly pattern and again the uh when the price comes here what it means like if you price come here on your left here they might have um demand and supply like if you want to trade like the confirmation they might have like demand like for your PRC zone here on your left over here that should be like um either um like you have like resistance because we're waiting to um to sell like resistance or demand and should be like demand zone did you know it needs to get that will be supply zone okay because we're waiting to to sell should be resistant level would return several or supply zone okay here some on your left here and then it line up with like um fee bonus level which is somewhere here and then you place the sale order at this level like somewhere here okay this is our potential reversal zone okay and maybe go back to the slide okay okay so basically for just now I did the belly butterfly right you wait for price to come to end the default and then you have the pay the sale order or here or bullish same ending is a default and then PRC zone and then you place the buy order somewhere here okay what's about crap okay so basically ah there is wrong um um there is not something wrong with my what is my mouth okay crap this is not crap why doesn't allow me to eat it okay my opportunity this one is not um that lay okay this is a crap pattern okay so basically for the crap pattern um b have to retrace between 38.2 to 61.8 percent of x a so basically you draw fee from like x to a and then you get a b point over here okay and a c point should retrace between 38.2 to 88.6 percent which is a b and then you get a c point okay you draw fee from here to here and then you get a c leg and d point it could be extension of 161 of the x a you get an extension which is the d point or you can use the extension between bc extension okay you can get these two number okay how you're going to get for example okay i make a bit bigger okay okay what they say is that okay you draw fee from x to a i go for or fee okay here starting point is always 100 percent okay in this case why you see that it's like that right in the um people fee retracement over here just in case you can choose to see the value or you can choose to see the percentage maybe in this case i change the percentage because over there i put percentage right it's depend on you or like over here you can choose to show hey what this i do here i think my mouth something wrong anyway okay so in this case just put the percentage for you okay they say x a you get the b point which is b point retrace between 38 to 61.8 percent okay so here is the area that it can be retraced which is this one 38 between 38 to 61.8 percent then you get the b point okay here and what's about the c leg how you get the c leg which is here okay you draw fee will form a to b and the c leg have to retrace between 38.2 can stop here or until 88.6 percent but c cannot go above a point like cannot go like that okay if go until like this this is not the harmonic pattern okay it could be here or could be here in this case i just put at um somewhere here okay it's still within and then how you get the c point or how you get the d leg you can get the extension of x a basically x a you draw fee will form x okay x to a here okay x to a the extension what's about number is above 100 percent we call extension so extension which is 161.8 percent which is here okay okay here 161 percent of x a or you can use bc extension you draw fee will form b to c like here okay here or fee okay they say that between 61.8 to 361.8 percent here so i already have my um crab bc extension crab is here so you see like that meaning that this is our prg zone this is our prg zone okay this is the zone here here and then you wait to buy over here okay any question or there will be somebody asking me let me see the chat uh we can apply position yeah okay so basically um harmonic pattern if you just um all the fibonacci you know um extension or projection like you know line up together for example i want to see here and then i want to draw projection i want to get the projection so i draw projection form x a b then c you see c is somewhere have um let's just like put the presentation okay you see we have then just now i have the bc extension here okay what you can see over here this this this one was okay here could be ending either here or we have like um we also have that extension of x to a like x to a here x to a we have 161.8 percent um it's here you get what i mean in this one i draw i have fibonacci extension which is 161 which is here and then i do have a position which is whatever near 61.8 percent which is position is this number like 141.40 i don't think i have a template for here um let me just un-tick okay this one this one this one this one up to okay okay you see 16.8 percent and we have like 214.4 is a projection okay you get a d-point and we also have um um bc extension with somewhere here or here so basically you can see this is either here or here somewhere here it's our in this case we choose here because it's nearer okay this is our prc zone okay here all right is a prc zone for the um in this case for this one yet you can apply protection okay it's a belly crab or is belly crab or belly butterfly what do you mean belly crab or belly butterfly it's it's different belly crab crab or belly butterfly belly crab is like this um crab crab crab or a wrong one no let me see here crab oh it's a belly crab not belly butterfly let me see where am i here let me see first i'm getting confused now um i'm still at the crab right yeah it's a crab not where is my butterfly crab butterfly is here okay no in this this this this one is the um this one is a bullet clap sorry not not not uh bearish this is a bearish should be bearish bearish bearish butterfly for this one okay this is a bearish butterfly bullies sorry bullish i think i feel bullish now and then we wait for pride to come here and then you buy okay i'm so sorry any particular pair where this appear i'm so oh okay actually um there is quite a number of um if you trade with those like um harmonic pattern i don't think i have the um for example but oh but like last time like i say like i thought i thought for example but i haven't um tissue i thought this could be like godly like something this is i thought it could be like that but because he's still haven't yet so i have i need to wait to see okay um maybe for the next one minute i will i will try to find the example of um for the harmonic pattern but yeah but there there is a pattern but for what you can see now or potential to have the harmonic pattern which is xa usd for the godly okay i will show you guys later okay you can use percentage other indication if the stock is going to be traced um you mean the phibonacci like i said the phibonacci level right when you use like that it's either it's up to you okay you want to see at the value or you want to see at the percentage you can just go to setting here okay i move here either you use a percentage double change the percentage to you increase the the price like you want to know okay when the price is listed at 8.6 percent the current um what the number i mean the current price it's like 2098 if you don't want they will just show the percentage only or you don't see percentage you just value the value you also know that it's like 8.6 percent it's up to you like you know which one you like um prefer you want to show the price you can you don't want you just untick or your percentage or you just show value it's up to you but in my case i like to look at the value which is i know that actually it's a percentage you just want to change something like that okay or if you guys uh one if you guys want to see how i use my um level okay you can just um copy i mean capture and then you can just do like that okay this is for my football for um harmonic okay all all this you can just maybe copy and then i like capture and then you can just use how we can implement and how we can implement in trading with the light shot okay i will show you the for the cut later i think i can i can um see what's best what's bad but the value or the percentage oh i just answer already it's just up to you you prefer to see value or you want to see percentage actually it's the same it's same just like your reference only okay okay so uh maybe i'll go one more for godly since i think i saw the um the the potential to be the godly over here okay so for the godly pattern just back to my slide okay so basically over here they say godly pattern okay they say that b should retrace about 61.8 percent of x a okay and the c point should retrace at least 38.2 percent to 88.6 percent of ab okay and the d which is a d point this is wrong this is wrong okay it's here have to reduce 78.6 percent of x a and then you can use a bc extension which is 127.2 to 61.8 percent of the bc extension so basically how it looks like it's here since i already saw this potential for the daily time frame okay so i see that they say x a you see that x to a okay i will use the fibonacci x to a here they say retrace 61.8 percent in this case they retrace 61.8 percent it's somewhere here okay and you get the c point x b and then c have to retrace between 38 to 88.6 percent in this case they retrace here so it's okay okay it's still within the range and now we get the ab x abc we have a c now we wait for d to complete meaning that it doesn't mean that okay you think that price is gonna be bullish okay we just see okay that might be potential that price will go up to finish the d point or not and or we can see let's say the price come here how we get the d point x a and d point retrace 78.6 percent which is here okay here 78.6 percent 78.6 percent or you can use bc extension which is bc extension okay bc extension this is range and number because i use a percentage okay okay you see 127.2 and 61.8 percent in this case this is our prc zone or the zone that you know have people conference zone here and what you can see on your left this is your this is never the big and the body here okay so this could be our prc zone here that potential for the long term i don't know when okay the price could come up to 1960 to 1965 or 66 somewhere around this zone okay and then we will wait for to like sail from here okay like here i mean like this zone like you don't use sail somewhere here somewhere this zone and order here so um again i think that what i can see here that if you look at the market structures now we're going to look at market structures right price is still we cannot decide but what we can see here it's like from here price make a low low low high low low and low low low high low low low high and they make a higher low because just you know it's not the low here so i think that they might change the momentum like something like that to become or maybe they can come here and then you know changing the up 10 i don't know it just that what you can see here they could not make a lower low they make a higher low okay and now we still see whether they will like reverse from here to go up to somewhere this zone and what you can see here this is also like you were to draw this is a resistant level of h on daily time frame which this is actually this is one and this is another one i just choose details too far somewhere here okay again if the price comes to here you need to wait for confirmation okay what i mean by confirmation you always go to the lower time frame to see the rejection price action or chart pattern okay okay guys any question so far okay i'm going to launch the poll um the that will be the continue of um um pass two okay because i did not cover all because i think that will might be too much so i'm going to split into pass one and pass two i think that going to be like next next webinars okay again if like you guys miss or you some of you guys did not know how to use fibonacci you just go and learn okay because if you master fibonacci and actually um for how many patterns it just also about fibonacci like up together and then you just place the order by or sale okay um yeah uh i think we always um okay for tick mill for the tick mill for the um teaching month gonna be gonna be me and with my colleague i think um um that will be the schedule right um let me see yeah i think you can see like over here um if you go to tick mill and then you serve a tick mill webinar over here you can see um like upcoming webinars uh why i don't see my i'm gonna see you again on second of of october but here don't have i'm not sure why but um yeah um i'm not so sure but again um guys there there is a we we do have um tick mill trader club as well okay uh me and my colleague will be um uh sending those like the trace signal let's say if i if me and my team saw like the the potential uh trace setup we will be sending to like vip or tick mill trader club okay so um you can if you have the account with the tick mill already okay you you can just you know talk to the support that you want to join um the tick mill trader club because me and my team which is desperate we're gonna you know send all the um trace setup if we see their potential to like you guys or if you guys have like any question or any like draw fee warranty or anything about trading you also can talk to me as well okay um the deposit requirement i'm not sure um you can just talk to the support for example like i don't know whether they have changed those like the deposit already but let's say if you already have the account or you're already if you are uh um lawyer customer or whatsoever i'm not so sure you can just ask the support okay because i'm not sure it's about that and then if you were to add in to the um tick mill trader club you can just talk to me okay or you can talk to my team or you can talk to like to us like how to draw fee warranty whether you draw fee warranty collect or no you can just ask us and me and my team will answer the question over there okay okay guys um all right i think this will be end of my um webinar for today okay thank you so much guys for joining me okay i appreciate that hope to see you guys again in the next webinar that will be um next monday okay i think next monday they're gonna be like trading section it's maybe gonna be me or my um colleague okay because usually for the tick mill they're gonna be like alternate like uh education and then the week later they're gonna be like trading sections okay all right you're welcome okay happy trading guy take care see you again next monday okay bye for now


Hello, everyone! I am here with an absolutely fascinating guest. Someone who I think a lot of you probably would have never suspected would come on the Humanist Report a couple of years ago, but now I am here with newlywoke Peter Dow, author of Digital Civil War, Confronting the Far Right Menace. Peter, thank you so much for coming on the program. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, and for everyone who missed the tweet, we actually, this isn't the first time me and Peter talked. We spoke about a year ago, I want to say, and what I noticed, and really what surprised me was that, like, we had more in common than previously thought, and what I think that we realize, you know, I can't speak for you, Peter, is that I think we kind of developed this mutual understanding and mutual respect and acknowledgement that we have a common enemy, we have common policy goals, and even though we have disagreements with each other, deeply rooted disagreements, I still think it's important that we kind of talk and have this conversation. I completely agree, you know, you and I, in the very beginning of the phase where I decided to move past 2016, start reaching out, you were actually one of the first people who was willing to do that. We had a good dialogue through Twitter. And you know what, I went to your website and I looked at your issue positions, which are probably the most detailed of anybody I've ever seen online, I mean, which is wonderful. And I was just going down the list and thinking, boy, this guy, Mike, really, I think I agree with him on 95% of this stuff. And that was sort of, it was really nice to see and I appreciate how willing you've been to get this dialogue going. And of course, over the past six months, nine months, since you and I started talking, it's developed further and I've continued to, you know, reach out, unblock people, try to connect, and just try to put the mess of 2016 behind us, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that if you and I were to have a conversation about 2016, we'd butt heads, there'd be fireworks there. But I am kind of on the same page where I don't want to think about 2016. Like that is such a toxic year for a lot of us that I think the only way we possibly can defeat Republicans is if we try to move forward. And there's still going to be these deep rooted disagreements that we have, and that, you know, the Bernie wing and the Hillary wings have. But if there's some way we can put that aside and try to talk about, you know, how we're alike rather than how we're different, I do think that that can be really fruitful. Now, I do want to talk about your book because I'm grateful that you actually offered to come on my show first when you're doing your press tour. That is greatly appreciated. It's kind of, you know, in the way that you've been trying to extend an olive branch. Now, from what I understand, you've quoted progressives like Kyle Kulinski in the book. Rumor has it I maybe in the book is well quoted. So can you talk about this book because what you do is you basically you go into detail with this really thorough analysis about how the Republican Party has essentially weaponized social media and they use this to catapult themselves to political power. Can you talk about this? Yes, absolutely. Can I get back to one thing, Mike, that you mentioned that I think is important before we move to that? Absolutely. When you said let's set aside our differences from 2016. I love how you said that, right? Because I agree with you. We're not in a position to tell people who suffer like pain and harassment and trolling, you know, hey, just forget about it and move on, right? And so set aside or hit the pause button is a type of language I'm using. All I'm asking is let's get focused for the battle ahead in 2020. But I'm not dismissing or minimizing or I don't think you are either on both sides, whatever grievances there were and pain and deep frustration, right? So I just wanted to sort of reaffirm what you said about how to approach this, not to dismiss what people felt. Absolutely. You see what I'm saying? No, and I'll say to kind of, you know, piggyback off of that, like there are still people who I know who were Clinton supporters and me being a brother of the Bernard, you know, was then and still am. It's like I haven't had conversations with them about this, you know, and one day maybe this will happen, maybe one day you and I can hash this out in a way. But for now, I don't think it's important to relitigate 2016 just because those feelings are still there. So I think that that's good that you made that clarification because it's not a matter of dismissing it. Like again, you and I have extreme disagreements when it comes to this intraparty warfare. But for now, I do think that building bridges is important because we have to expand the coalition. We have to somehow try to move past that because if Bernie is the nominee, then I want Hillary Clinton's 2016 supporters to vote for him. And I'm sure the same is true for you if somebody, you know, from the establishment wing wins. So I think that not minimizing people's feelings is a really important thing to emphasize. So I'm glad that you kind of added that caveat. Okay, great. So we're on the same page. And frankly, I think we would probably agree on a lot more about 2016. But let me get so to get to the book, right? I've been in politics for 20 years now and I've never written a book. I've always wanted to write and people have kept saying because I've done, you know, thousands of blog posts and tweets and I've been writing since 2000. But I finally thought, you know what, I need to write down in a book form, what is going on with the deeper moral arguments at the root of all these fights we have online. And digital civil war was really me just echoing my childhood where I grew up in an actual civil war in Beirut. And I thought, you know what, I see I know what it's like when people are battling. And what's really interesting about a real civil war is not everybody's fighting, right? There are people just going about their lives in areas that don't have conflict, you know, going to movies and doing their thing. But then on the battlefields, you have this intense fight.  It's what we do.  There's really not really a war happening. You're exaggerating. But my attitude is, look, the stuff that's going on online is radicalizing the far right. People who are shooting up schools, churches, mosques, whatever, they're getting radicalized in this digital battlefield, right? Also, these huge fights that we have about the immigration border policy, for example, universal health care, they affect people's lives. So when I say digital civil war, it was in contrast to people say, soft civil war or cold civil war. That's way too anodyne for me. There's nothing cold about kids sitting in cages, you know, there's nothing cold about people not having health care and losing their health care. So for me, it's like there's a battlefield. And some of us are on this battlefield and fighting these really essential fights about our country and what it represents. So that's really the essence of the book. And I dig into the moral questions. Inequality, for example.  So I'm essentially trying to say, look, there's this whole discussion of inequality that really I got to give credit to Bernie Sanders for raising that. This is something that's been dear to me for many years. That's why I was a fan of Bernie before 2016 went down. And we all started fighting, right? But it's a crucially important issue. I live in New York where I see $50 million condos being bought and sold by these hedge fund guys who don't even live in them. And then I'm looking at other places in the country where kids can't afford school supplies. That's a deep injustice, right? So that's really, for me, the essence of the book is to dig through all these issues one by one and show how the battles play out. Yeah. And I think that that's really interesting. You've touched on a lot there. And one thing that I got to say that really helped increase the respect that I had for you was really this recognition that things that we need to do to get to where we want to be politically are no longer taboo. Like, for example, I know a lot of people who kind of come from the wing of the party that you were previously part of try to make it seem as if, you know, you can't criticize Democrats because the Republican Party is such an existential threat and they are. But at the same time, I like that you've started to really take a more direct approach in realizing that we have to acknowledge that there are some people on our side, Democratic Party leadership, you speak out about them quite frequently, that if we want to be where we need to be, we have to call them out as well. And we have to hold them accountable. So one thing that I really wanted to ask you about was you recently kind of had this political awakening over the course of a couple of years. And what I noticed now is that you're taking a lot of heat from Hillary Clinton supporters who were previously on your side saying, Peter, you know, I don't know why you're doing this, you're only doing this to promote a book. And then I see Bernie supporters say the same thing. So you're kind of catching heat from both sides. And so basically, what I want to ask you is, what do you say to people who are skeptical? What do you say to people who think that, you know, this new Peter Dow, this, you know, newly woke Peter is just doing this for publicity or whatever? What do you say to those people? Because there's a lot of skepticism in politics. And I think for good reason. So how do we convince those people that you really are the real deal and, you know, what you're saying you mean? Well, there's a very simple answer to it. I ask people to just use Google and go back to who I was in 2001, 2003 and four. Look, I joined politics after being a house music producer in 2000. And I joined 2001, Democratic Underground, which at the time was really the only message board for us disaffected Democrats and progressives who were trying to fight the right and there's nowhere to go. So the early days are like chat rooms, message boards online. And then at the beginning of blogs, right, 2002, 2003. So I entered politics as an anti Iraq war activist, as a progressive activist, environmental activist, human rights. This was my life because I grew up in a war. And for me, it was like, I was just fighting these human rights battles that I cared about. So if people go back and look at my history, the record is out there. I think one of the problems Mike is that so many people just got introduced to me in 2016.  But I tell people the story of my life for 15 years before that election. I was the progressive net roots guy, right, the blog guy, who people like Kerry and Hillary, and even our own specter, when he became a Democrat, it's like, we need you to connect us to the blogosphere, right? That was back in the blog days before social media. And if you look at my writings, if you even go back to when I was, you know, I started up with Chankyuger with Glenn Greenwald with Dave Serota. That was the community that I first began my career with, right? Those guys were buddies, like Glenn and I used to hang out. Chank and I used to hang out like way back 2001, 2002. That's interesting. Yeah, I've been in this game a long time. Like this is the thing, but I can't fault people who saw me in 2016 and got the wrong impression of who I am. I totally get it, right? Because I was defending Hillary Clinton, you know, like I was in the trenches with her and I was fighting back hard. And I look, I overdid it. Many of us overdid it. We got caught up in a battle where we got really defensive and thus really aggressive. And I started being seen as a guy who was going after progressives, which was quite painful to me because that is my community. So this is less an awakening for me and more like a coming home. Like I consider myself a progressive activist who thought I'm going to get inside the system, inside the belly of the Washington beast and try to change it from within. But you know what happens is you can't really change it from within. And now I'm starting to see that, you know what, I got to get back on the outside of this thing right now. And I got to start going after the structure from the outside, right? Going after this establishment status quo structure from the outside. So I only asked people to look back at the sweep of my whole career and look at me in 2008, for example, when Obama was elected. There were only three or four people in my position, like somebody who had been in the Democratic Party, who was going after him on drones, on civil liberties. I basically accused them of continuing Bush's policies by making them worse. The Owliki case, extrajudicial killings, right? Assassinating Americans with no due process. That was on Obama. And I called him out on it, right? I called him out for being to sort of not, not aggressive enough on, on healthcare, you know, when Obamacare was first pushed. So I only asked people go back and look at who I was for all those years. And yes, I got in the middle of a battle in 2016 where I thought, I want to elect Hillary. I'm going to do everything I can to do it. And I think it's the right thing to do. And people may disagree. But here I am today saying, you know what? I got to reconnect with my friends, reconnect with my roots and get back to the guy on the outside, you know, going after the system. Because the system is broken. Like, you know it, right? I mean, things are so much worse off now than when I started 20 years ago.  What have I done wrong? Right? Because back then, the people like, you know, Trump and Bolton, these guys were like fringe, you know, Steven Miller, these were fringe people, even at sites like Free Republic. And now they're running the country and Fox is in the White House. So whatever I did, I wasn't very successful. And I have to ask my friends and all of us as activists, there's something wrong. And we got to, we got to, you know, really look at ourselves and then get to work. And I want to quote someone from Twitter, I believe it is pretty bad lefty who said, Peter Dow is basically the only person who learned anything from 2016 because you are willing to be introspective. And I think that that's important. Now, basically, I think that the reason why these types of discussions and conversations in general are important is because even if we don't always agree, understanding is important. So let me pose this question to you because I honestly was only introduced to you in 2016. So my initial, you know, introduction to Peter Dow was, oh, this is just a Hillary Clinton show, you know, it was, it was obviously I had that caricature of you built up in my mind, and I didn't really know you. So let me ask you this, as someone who is progressive, who has this history of criticizing Obama, which I absolutely agree with you with, what is it that made you, for lack of a better word, abandon that core progressive ideology and go for Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders? Because this is the way that I see it. If someone is super progressive and ideologically speaking, you finally have a candidate who really is talking about social democracy and universal redistributive programs, what made you kind of lean more towards Hillary Clinton as opposed to Bernie Sanders? And I also want to follow that up by asking what was it that kind of catalyzed this introspective view that you had thinking maybe I wasn't going about this the right way in terms of talking to people? Okay, those are two excellent questions. So let me take them one at a time. The first one with Hillary was a combination of personal, in other words, I got to know her in 2008. Now she hired me, there was a New York Times article when I got hired that sort of sort of confirms what I'm telling you. Basically, the article said, Hillary Clinton hires Peter Dow to reach out to bloggers in the progressive community, that's why she brought me on board. And I said, okay, I'll do it. Now a lot of my friends said, what on earth are you doing working for Hillary Clinton, if you're this progressive guy? And my answer was, look, I want to build bridges between my community, which was the net roots at the time, that's what it was called then, and the Democratic Party leadership. And of course, Hillary represented the pinnacle of that having been in the White House, the First Lady, Senator, etc. So I sat down with Hillary, I got to know her, and I started at that point feeling that certain priorities of what were important to me primarily, primarily women's rights and women's equality and the issue of a woman never having been elected president. So I had differences with her on policy issues, whether it was Iraq, of course, because I was an anti-war protester. So with Hillary, so I worked for 2008, 9, 10, you know, during those years and over those years getting to know her personally, of course, when you know someone in person is very different from the caricature, as you said, that you had of me and that others had of her. And so during that period, because in 2016, I didn't officially work for her, I was just doing it because I was continuing the mission I had in 2008. Now to me, women's rights and the oppression of women across the globe is a, you know, I grew up in the Middle East. So you know how women are treated in the Middle East? It was a sort of primary issue to me as Jimmy Carter said, President Jimmy Carter, you know, is one of the great travesties of humankind, the oppression of women and girls across the globe. Okay. And so for me on a personal level with my family, you know, I felt, okay, getting a woman in the White House and one who is certainly immensely qualified who I agree with on a number of issues, maybe not the entire sort of like her philosophy of the country, but certainly a woman who I would be comfortable in the White House. So it became a fight for me, Mike. It's like, I'm going to lecture, I'm going to fight the right. And a lot of it was like fighting the right because the right wing takedown of Hillary Clinton is exactly what they're doing to AOC and Ilhan Omar now. So it was this, okay, I don't want this right wing system to beat me. It became really personal for me. So in 2016, it's like, I'm going to pick up where I left off in 2008. I'm just on the outside of the campaign. I don't work for, I'm not paid by her. But I didn't. And in 2015, I was praising Bernie Sanders. I mean, again, Google will help people who are skeptical. I was writing stuff like, yay, wow, we got Bernie Sanders talking about inequality. And we have Hillary who could be the first woman president bringing all these issues so important to girls, you know, as a role model. And then 2016, he started talking about the Wall Street speeches and some of those issues. And like I said, when you support somebody that strongly, you start fighting back, and it just went off the rails. And I, and, you know, I apologize for people that I hurt in that process. You know, my wife and I took, as you know, a tremendous amount of heat as well. Death threats. You know, it was a year in which, and I've written about this, you know, we lost our first baby together to an ectopic pregnancy. She had emergency surgeries. So in the middle of 2016, my wife is on an operating table like two months out of the election, could have lost her life. So it was one of those years that I never, ever want to relive again. That's one of the reasons to answer your second question is like, what made me start rethinking? But look, you know, the fight for Hillary, once I'm in the trenches with somebody I was, you know, I was trained, you know, I was drafted into the military at 15 years old. I lived through awards. Like once you're in the trenches, you fight, right? You don't abandon that person. And but the end result of that was like people now started seeing is this DNC shill. I'm thinking, Oh my God, you know, then so, so anyway, so that's what happened 2016. I did not agree with Hillary on everything. I certainly don't. I've been critical of her on issues. I don't agree with Bernie Sanders on everything. But frankly, probably had Hillary not been running, I would have been a Bernie Sanders supporter. No doubt about that, because people like Wellstone and Sanders were the people who I looked up to and admired in the years before that election. Sure. And, and that's really interesting because again, like we won't agree on the reasoning, but I do want to understand. Like I recently had a conversation on Twitter with someone who supported Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, but didn't support Bernie. And to me, I don't, I don't understand it because ideologically speaking, they're very similar. Maybe AOC is slightly to the left of Bernie, but I think that just understanding will help progressives. And I'm sure you would agree, kind of reach out outside of the echo chamber, outside of our bubble to kind of bring people in. So here's what I want to post to you because I don't want there to be just like one person who does what Peter Dow does and kind of tries to extend this olive branch. I want more Peter Dows. If I can use your name as kind of like an example. So what could I have told you back in 2016? Let's imagine you and I butting heads on Twitter. What could I have told you that would have made you less skeptical about me as someone who is largely viewed as a Bernie bro? What could I have told you to convince you that I'm coming from this position, not, you know, in bad faith, but in good faith? What do you think somebody like me could have said to you if anything that would have convinced you back then?   That's the person I am. So I'm just going to respond honestly. I don't know if there was anything you could have said because at the point you start seeing other people as I don't want to say enemy, but as like a bitter rival, right? I don't know that I was really listening that carefully. I was angry and a lot of people were angry on both sides, right? And I, and I tell people this, you know, I've been talking to people over the past week as part of, as part of the book release. And what I've said is, look, you know, sometimes the closest people, people you're in a relationship with, you know, your close family or parents are the most bitter fights when you fight. And they can be explosive to the point of violence. Most violence is domestic violence that we see when these sort of close family fights that really, I don't know, like, so there's a way that love turns to hate. And in when people are close because they care about the other person's opinion, right? I cared that the progressive community saw me that way. It hurt me and it, but I take responsibility for what I did to get to that point. So I think the answer to your question is a tough one. Now, how do we get people to do it? It's exactly what we're doing. Just you and me talking, seeing that we're human beings, we're coming from a principled place. There were a segment of people you and I know who just wanted to make trouble, who wanted to attack and harass. I'm not going to forgive or ask other people, hey, you got harassed and trolled and subjected to these horrible things. Hey, you just have to forget it. So it's more like we're here now. It's 2019 going to 2020. So what I would recommend to you to do, and to others, what I would recommend to others is look inside yourself, ask yourself, what are your priorities? We are facing fascism, like you know it and I know it, right? You know, there's one thing, you and I could have ideological differences about capitalism, about socialism, about political theory and social theory and economic theory. But that's more really academic in some instances. What we're facing is like an existential threat right now to the rule of law and democracy or anything that's left of it. I realize, and I know you know this, that some people may say it's just the way the capitalist system is set up. But I'm just not really a political scientist or really an expert on those issues. I was a house musician, you know what I'm saying? I was a jazz keyboardist who got into activism. I don't know enough about economic and political theory to make these sort of macro, you know, sort of analysis of what's the better system. All I know is I'm seeing children being shot in school rooms, in their classrooms, I'm seeing migrant children being stolen from their parents. That is an atrocity. I mean, there is no greater torture. Those of us who are parents understand no greater torture than taking your child away and you don't know where they are and you may never see them again. You might as well kill somebody rather than do that to them. And yet our government is doing that in our name. We are droning babies in other countries from missiles that come out of the sky and blow up toddlers, okay? All these things are happening. So me, I'm just like a very direct action type of activist. Like, I don't know the theory well enough, but I see these injustices. I'm just going to speak out about them. And I ask others to focus on that. Like, what do you want for 2020? Do you want to sit there and fight over whether, you know, the DNC rigged it or not for the next three years? You're never going to win that battle. One person will say it was rigged. One person will say it's not and you're never going to get to a conclusion. And you and I have very strong feelings about this. Yeah, exactly. But I've learned to sort of set those feelings. I just focus on these injustices.  I just took that rear view mirror and I smashed it. That's for me. For others to do what they want to do, but that's, that's my approach. Well, let me ask you this because I know that you coming on this show, you're going to take heat from Hillary Clinton supporters. And I'm assuming I'll take some heat from Bernie supporters because it is kind of difficult to kind of let your guard down and listen to someone. If you've been on the opposite sides for so long, if you've been butting heads, you know, so I saw a Twitter or a Reddit thread that referred to me as the quintessential Bernie, bro. So let me ask you if you have any questions for me because I kind of picked your brain and I want to kind of flip it and see if you want to ask the quintessential Bernie, bro, any questions because, you know, for me, let me just explain my position. It's never been about Bernie for me, like even if I'm a supporter of Bernie Sanders for me, it's always been that Bernie is a conduit to the ideal, you know, not necessarily 100% perfect society, but a way in which we can achieve these goals. So if somebody else comes along and is better than Bernie, I jump ship immediately if I feel as if they can win. So that's basically what it's been about to me. So did you want to pick my brain in that way? Yeah, I do. Actually, you actually just sort of sent me started answering the question that I was going to ask you because part of my growth here over the past year is to start seeing that I want to be my own leader. I don't want to be defending or following one, you know, another politician. Yeah, I'll vote for them. Yeah, I'll, you know, I'll criticize them or I'll support them. But what is your feeling because you do your thing, right? You got the show, you've set this all up.  You've built a strong audience. How do you feel about the notion of us becoming our own leaders? No matter what it is we do, whether it's podcasting or whether it's blogging or tweeting or organizing or canvassing versus focusing all our energy on one politician. Yeah, yeah, that's a fascinating question. And basically part of the reason I started this podcast is because I wanted people who were usually politically apathetic to get involved and realize that they can't just wait once every four years for presidential election to take action. Like politics is always happening. Politics is embedded in everything and it influences every single aspect of our lives. So basically one of the main reasons why I started the show was I wanted to empower people to take action into their own hands and realize that this is their government. Like they own the US government.  Your tax dollars fund them. So if you have a representative that isn't representing you adequately, call them up, leave them a message, challenge them. Basically my goal has been to really personalize politics and not make it seem as this really complex thing. Like I kind of visualize the target audience being like my mom, for example, who has these underlying principles of like equality that she supports and ending poverty, but isn't necessarily as politically engaged because she doesn't know about all of the ins and outs because if you just tune into MSNBC or CNN, you're not going to get a fundamental understanding of really what's happening. So my goal really is to break it down on the most elementary level. So people understand what's happening and why politicians do the things that they do. So what are some of the root causes because I don't think you can really get politically engaged and involved unless you understand what's happening. So to kind of explain how institutions work, how money and politics influences politicians, why politicians do things that really are against common sense. Like why are we allowing Saudi Arabia to use our weapons to bomb, bomb babies in Yemen? You know, so if people understand the causal mechanisms, then I think it makes them, it gives them the sense that they can't take action because you can't really address a problem unless you know what the problem is. And that really is empowering to people, just knowledge in general is empowering. But at the same time, the reason why I've been trying to expand who I reach and I'll be debating a Republican in the next month is because there's a lot of competing philosophies and you know, Peter, there's scapegoating. Donald Trump will say it's immigrants that are the cause of your problems. But for me, I take this macro approach and I say, no, it's the system. Capitalism corrupts everything. And I know that you're not necessarily on board with, you know, democratic socialism and whatnot. But this is basically the way that I approach it. Well, let me say this, like my position on that, here's the thing like I studied philosophy in college, right? But you know, I know that isms and ists, if they're used incorrectly and imprecisely can create more problems, like I've seen, you know, sophisticated thinkers and academics completely disagree on interpretations of these things. So my attitude is, look, I don't know enough to know which system is the better system. So I'm not like pro-capitalist or socialist or democratic socialist or social democrat. I really just say, look, I see injustice in front of me, and I'm going to fight against them. And I'm going to leave it to people who know a lot more than I do about the systemic issues. I do know one thing, and I agree with you 100%. The system is not just broken, but the system is set up to maintain the status quo, right? Because the people who are in power right now don't want to lose power. You know, there's some great books like Nancy McLean's Democracy in Chains and others that talk about the oligarchs who are completely anti-democratic, who have now used the Republican Party as their vehicle. And of course, we know the Democratic Party is not fighting it for whatever their reason, either they're not capable or they don't want to. And again, it's important to distinguish. I don't think Democrats are nearly as bad as Republicans, and I don't want to ever have a false equivalence there. I always want to put that on the table. But, you know, the Democratic Party is not doing what needs to be done or we wouldn't be where we are today. So I completely am with you that there needs to be some systemic change at a deep level. And I can understand how people see Bernie Sanders as a vehicle for that change because he's going after the establishment. Now, by the same token, if you define establishment too widely, you can try to start pulling in people who get deeply offended by that because it's like, wait a minute, you know, we're fighting for issues or we are not the establishment. Look, it's tough, Mike. It's really tough. This stuff is really difficult, right? I mean, we are fighting a battle where we live in a world of profound injustice, a system that is geared to just to take care of the 0.1 of the 1%.  We have to stand up and fight back. And it's scary sometimes. It's not what you do is courageous. You know, I try to be brave and be out there. I get threats all the time from all sides, right? Primarily, of course, the far right because I go after them. But what do we do? Say nothing? Give up? See what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. So I want to kind of, and I'll give you the last word, but what I want to do is because I'm assuming there's going to be a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters or just people from that wing of the party who will watch this and assuming that there's going to be a lot of Bernie supporters, I kind of want to explain my position to the Hillary people and I want to give you the opportunity to explain your position to the Bernie people. Because I think that really the overall, you know, I think goal is just understanding, not agreement. We're not going to agree on everything. That's definitely something that may be achievable in the future. But for now, it's just understanding. And for me, a lot of people, I think that the number one criticism of me is that I go after the Democratic Party too much. And I think there's this justifiable worry that why would you want to demonize the only party that keeps Republicans from getting power? And I think that that is a legitimate concern. But for me, I actually kind of come from this political science background where I study other countries that, you know, I got my masters in comparative politics. And I look at these political opposition parties from around the world, and I see that if they're not strong enough in the face of right wing craziness, for lack of a better word, that doesn't just mean that people are going to be worse off. That literally could be the demise of democracy. So one example I always cite on my show is Turkey. You know, the reason why Erdogan currently is not consolidating democracy and is instead consolidating his own power is because the opposition party, the party on the left in Turkey is so weak that he's been able to essentially do whatever he wants. And I kind of sit here in terror as I see the same thing happen in the United States. We have an opposition party that's so weak. And we have a party that is so far off the spectrum.  I don't think you can really disagree. No, they aren't. We just have to call it what it is. That's what they are. We have to call it what it is. Yeah. So the only way I ever see us getting out of this mess is if we have a party that actually fights them tooth and nail. And that's essentially the reason why I'm so hard on Democrats. It's not necessarily because, you know, I'm the secret Republican operative who wants to bring them down.  You know, I mean, not the best analogy, but that's where I'm coming from. I hear what you're saying. No, I totally hear. Look, I think you're going to find that a lot more people who you would consider, and let's even move it past Hillary and Bernie, like generally speaking, you know, Democrats, progressives, leftists who come from different angles are starting to agree that like on the impeachment issue, I've been arguing forcefully for impeachment. If you don't impeach Donald Trump, there's no point in having impeachment in the Constitution. Similarly with stuff like Brett Kavanaugh, Democrats should have simply walked out of that hearing. You don't empower and legitimize this authoritarian takeover of our government. I mean, these people have no respect for the rule of law, same with, you know, the hearings today with Barr. So I think you and I are coming from the same place on why the Democratic Party needs to be pushed. Look, we elect people to push them in the right direction. You don't just elect people and sit back and say, you know, we trust them, right? And so I think that, you know, I've argued with a lot of people who just come out and tell me, trust Pelosi or trust Schumer, whatever. I'm not going to trust anybody. I don't like where we are. And I don't think they know how to get us out of here. I don't, you know, in some cases in the Democratic leadership and the establishment in Washington that I encountered when I worked there, I don't know that they want to change the system, right?  Like there's, do they know how to? Do they want to? And I don't want to impugn individual people necessarily. But when they're screwing up, we're going to call them out on it. So I think, look, getting to know you, reading your policy positions, you know, you're clearly a thoughtful person who cares about the country, right? You're trying to come about it. So I would ask, I would ask people who would otherwise not look at you because of the whole Bernie Hillary stuff or pay attention to what you're saying.  And for me, this is how you and I connecting. I think many people can do this. And on the ground, it happens. Look, there are people who connect on the ground level, on the organizing level, who do what you and I are doing. I think sometimes in the digital realm, it's a little bit people more standoffish and more tribalist and sort of mob form. But look, this is what this is a wonderfully inspiring conversation for me. I really, I like what you do. I respect how open you were. I ask other people to just say, look, you know, let me, if I can just get back to the beginning. Sure. People say, you know, I'm doing this to sell a book or I'm doing, you know, I'm grifting. And I laugh, I say, wait a minute, if I wanted to grift, I'd go right. I wouldn't go left. You know, the money's not on the left, right? So I always laugh when people say you're grifting is like, look, I'm just following my gut instincts. I'm just some dude who was a musician who like just wants to help people, right? Because I just want to leave a better world behind for my family. Maybe I'm not doing it the right way. Maybe I am, but believe me, I'm coming from a sincere place.  This is all I do. You know, my wife and I, like, you know, we don't make money from doing this. We just care. So, and I know you do. And I know you do too. And a lot of people out there do. So, you know, I hope we can all come together. This feels good to talk to you. Yeah, it does. It absolutely does. And did you want to close by like any specific targeted message to people who you were basically previously butting heads with? Like, what would you say to the to the Bernie supporters, you know, who are still skeptical? Because look, there's, you're not going to be able to erase skepticism. People will be skeptical of me saying, oh, Mike's bringing on Peter Dowd because he wants clicks, you know, because people I'm sure will want to watch. So the skepticism in this climate I think is justified because you have to be skeptical because really we're in this place where people are cynical for good reason. But I mean, I just want to open the floor to you and let you kind of have the last word here and say what you need to say. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Look, you can't, you can only earn respect. It's something I learned, you know, as a Lebanese guy, right, in Lebanon where respect and dignity and honor are extremely more prioritized than they are in our culture in America.    I've learned that the right, left, center, Hillary, Bernie people, whoever, you know, it's like, and that's okay. I've been doing this 20 years. And I know there are going to be people who are going to just want to go after me and question my motives. And that's all fine. When I call it a digital civil war in my book, because it's a battleground, right? It's a battleground out there. And I'm going to take my hits. I'm going to take punches. I'm going to throw punches back. But all, all, all I really would like to say to people is we all can disagree without impugning the integrity of another person. I, you know, every time, you know, somebody doesn't agree with what I'm saying.  I can just say, look, I vehemently disagree with you. You're just dead wrong and leave it there. We've, we've learned to just go to the next level and say, you're horrible. And, and we need to learn to stop that.  That's what I'm trying to do.  Human beings. So, so that's all I say. Like, I know I have to earn respect of all sides, not just Bernie Sanders support, not Hillary support. Anybody I'm out there, you know, sort of dealing with politically, people will only know me through my actions, my words and my intellectual honesty. And if that comes across, great. And if it doesn't, I'll keep working. So that's sort of where I'm at. All right. Well, Peter Dow, it's been a great conversation. The book is Digital Civil War, Confronting the Far Right Menace. Peter, tell us when the book comes out and where people can purchase it. It just came out literally yesterday. So thanks for asking. And, you know, anywhere where books are sold, it's really just actually digital civil war.info will take you to all independent booksellers, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere else where they sell books.  It's my first book, you know, so it's like everything I've learned, I threw it in that book and hopefully it helps others understand what the hell is going on with this with our country, because this is terrifying times and it's going to get worse before it gets better. And that's what's so scary to me.  All right. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Hopefully this will be the first of many conversations. And I hope that other people kind of do the same thing and try to just, you know, be more open-minded and talk to people who they previously disagreed with and maybe still do disagree with. So thanks so much for coming on, Peter. It's a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for being so open. I appreciate it.


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