June 21st regular select board meeting to order got Bradtown John Quinn and Flo Smith is on virtually no any additions or changes to the agenda events no sir public comment a lot to talk about tonight for sure all right amusement ordinance permit her quest with us this is a race that's done every year isn't it yeah that's correct we've hi hi there Bob and Sue Evans thank you for having us to the meeting early the race has been going on for more than 30 years it's a it's a five-mile race and it's one of our more popular CVR runs we aware of any big complaints in the past about it move approval of the permit request first time for promoters second any discussion all those in favor say hi hi motion carries hi thank you how's easy okay yeah thanks so much that was great thanks a pleasure thank you bye bye all right all right good Samaritan sidewalk approval agreement agreement approval so I haven't read this yet but I know that one of the things that we did with town fair tire tire was talk about maintenance and replacement so do you know that if this is similar to include it in there but I don't think I just wondering if it was uniform language yeah but move to approve it inside walking agreement all right yeah the only question I have is it looks like they agree to assume all responsibilities are they carrying they're carrying enough insurance if someone wants to follow the sidewalk or great question that I don't know the answer to not to follow up and find out okay insurance well the the sidewalks in the town right away correct or the state right away actually the state right away right we're nothing to do with us our approving is the agreement that they'll maintain it I'm sure the state carries their own insurance for this it's it yet it raised the state right of way but I mean who owns the property work on if they're responsible for maintenance if they yeah yeah they just follow it all come back on them they don't come back to the state I'll take an action to follow up on insurance coverage we'll talk to them all as well to make sure we understand it but they have enough coverage how's that yep okay any other discussion all those in favor say hi hi hi motion carries treasurer's report okay right now for our life insurance and long-term disability we have Lincoln Group which is a benefit that we have as a town the least cities and towns are the ones that sponsor it they're going from Lincoln Group to a company called National Insurance Services which they say is about the same price actually probably a little bit lower I've got the contract I'm going to read it through I'm going to send it to the select board for the next meeting but someone you have to authorize somebody can here to sign it like I say I just I just got this today so I will send it to you and then on the next meeting we could discuss it I think the next piece that we want to discuss was reserves okay because we have only this meeting to carry the reserves over to the next year so I think that Vince has put something in your packets yep that memo okay and I can just briefly discuss what we have going on here with the building maintenance we got 23,000 681 for that wall that got damaged and that's not going to be repaired now by 21 you know I don't know when it's going to be repaired it's because of COVID so I want to carry that money through so that we can spend it on that project okay PD fund all that money the PD fund is donation money however some of the donors are specific about what they want it spent for and so that a $300 was spent specifically from professional Institute and they had told the police officers that they wanted to spend it for evidence trackers and that's what they spent it on so I want to decrease what we have in the PD fund by that amount that was spent for these trackers okay okay on the recreation board I want to decrease that amount for money spent for the ice rink in both field maintenance capital budget $45,000 police car it's on order we were told to be here made 31st it's not going to be here even June 30th right so I want to carry that money over so that we can spend it and then point 22 okay highway materials that was the grant that received for $30,000 through $31,600 from the state and we have specific calls that we're going to spend it on however that hasn't happened so we'd like to carry that through we were talking about things was cross-town road they're going to do some ditching they were going to be down to me and pretty soon and you know so I'd like to carry that over what was there a reason given on why it hasn't happened no I haven't talked to Tim I did talk to Tim and he just said that he's down he's gonna be down a person very soon they're trying to get other projects done but I would like to roll that over so that we can use it for the next year because being a grant we have to account for that so it has to show what the money is spent on our computer $2,300 we put the replacement for a computer either my computer or Tom's computer which neither one of us it hasn't been replaced I'd like to carry that money for just in case we need to replace one of our computers because both of our computers are getting old mine I think it's seven years old I think in terms of the older than that there's not money in the current budget the 22 budget no conservation commission that was okay that's kind of a mileage of money that we had we'd gotten some money for the illegal tapping $5,900 at a surplus but we did some brush hogging and bridge work so the difference is in addition to the conservation conservation commission of 25 31 93 to add to their conservation commission book what a bridge work did we do no we're talking that bridge the is for vast is for vast we had to buy the wood railings or something right we had a conservation to buy the materials for the iron shelf that was something that was authorized yeah but at least we do it with small surplus yeah okay our capital structures 150,000 I've gone to the attorney on that one we had $250,000 that we set aside for capital structures for it could be for highway equipment it could be for structure and then we ended up buying the greater well the greater we got a loan for so that to me is as well you know we still money in there but I want to be certain of this so what I've done is I've called Rob helper and I said Rob can we spend the surplus money that we have in there and he you know we put an email from him along with this and it's to me I'm reading it that he's saying yes but I want to be certain before I asked to set aside that money I just want that one to have a little caveat saying look if Rob says yes and tells us why and we can do it I really want to do that okay we have spent some of that $250,000 because we have put money into that culvert okay we spent like 55,000 of it plus I'm anticipating we're gonna spend another 30,000 before this year's over June 30th and then I don't know if we'll have probably another bill from Auto Creek it's possible so all I'm saying is I would feel comfortable if we would reserve $150,000 that as long as we can and that way we could have it to use on this culvert that we're going to be doing that by 22 I just to me that would be great if we can do that so I guess that is the reason everything I've asked for and like I say the hundred fifty thousand I'm pretty sure we can do it that way but I want to make certain that Rob gives me his blessing on it and he didn't call me back when I called him today and you have the email that he sent okay I don't know why I would I thought we'd put that money down on the greater don't lower our email we borrowed the whole thing next year we're going to pay it well in December there's payment due and we're gonna be the whole thing because that was what we're going to do is pay the whole thing off okay that was the goal in the U.S. thank you do we need about on this all right move approval over the FY 21 budget I didn't reserve adjustments second any discussion all those in favor say aye motion carries okay now we got the that it all right fiscal year 2021 okay that's in your package that's just this is the third year when we bid for an audit we always bid for a three-year term this is the third year that three year term we will be having a single audit this year no doubt about it okay so that will add an extra thousand dollars so this is just saying and this is boilerplate this you signed every we signed every year so they're just they will not do the audit unless this is approved I'll make a motion to approve fiscal year 21 audit approval form any discussion all those in favor say aye aye motion carries moment resolution document approval yeah that one's being that one is that's just giving me authorization to sign the documents information for that are there any dates around this as far as like start and stop of when the process for the project yeah we had the the pre-bid meeting contractors last week real start date not yet but since we're talking about the pressure record I was gonna say for the roundtable I think it's worth with all the things going on with the cost of the culvert and the bidding that that's coming out we should probably have a separate meeting if you guys agree this week a short one sure it's probably gonna be an hour to discuss all the issues with Fisher culvert and the options that we have to that are put in front of us right now to try to get it done this year with the exception of the temperate paving to get through the winter or to let the bidding run its course the big the big thing is the pain for the culvert and taking it out of the bed up front so they can get started because it's a precast on the work for the culvert to get it in time it's going to be very tight as it is but I will have Otter Creek here for a separate meeting to go through all the details of that with the board to explain the schedule proposed schedule and the situation and the options with with each one of those in your package that I gave you there is a pile of documentation around that from both Otter Creek the concrete manufacturer the pricing and some estimated dates in there as well to give you a chance to review it before we have a discussion and you guys make decisions on the options so it's a little it's a long answer to a yes or no question between John but that's really it's a little annoying because we hired Otter Creek to get us through this process and I laid out you know a timeline and and we're not there they haven't come close to meeting that right so exactly so there's just a lot surrounding that right now but I think it's no I can answer for example you know now I don't know my question to you is what's a good time frame to try to fit that in this week to keep this moving forward for you and I'll try to keep it brief we have to keep it to an hour or less he has to get us through it let's uh let's get through the resolution and talk about it the end okay you don't mind so I move approval of the SIB loan resolution document second a discussion those in favor say hi motion carries police chief hiring review and update so as you guys know we lost the officer Parker probably around February took a job at UVM higher pay an opportunity to get free tuition so we've been kind of running that with Sergeant Monty officer piquel still not able to work we've been fortunate enough to pick up officer Peter Bosberg he should be starting with us in a couple of weeks officer Bosberg was with Berlin PD part-time but just fired my rival he took a full-time job with Northfield I thought that and wants to come back so is just just to be clear is this a formal request to hire just an update oh okay we did have a someone we were looking at hiring full-done with no preference got him like 80% through the process and he backed out probably from the job offer so how many so how many positions do you have open right now for Bosberg we fill our last day can say okay but then we still have someone medically out I expect Sergeant Monty to be out be back within a couple of months he seems to be progressing pretty well officer piquel I have an idea so on paper we're at full staff but in reality we're not the summer it's gonna be a rough road you have someone going away from military lead officer Peacore who's been really a huge asset for us is moving out last the summer is gonna be like no just she's absurd people are has been with us in a part-time capacity really helping a little some of the vacant spots on ship sir anything we can do to help no um point if we can't get an idea where people with their injuries and when they may be coming back or if they're coming back talk about over hiring even though we're slotted for nine full-time scoring positions the higher position because in reality we're not paying these people where our workers come you're not able to cut the ship that's the conversation we can have down the road that might make sense if we're over capacity but you know we're not where I mean we're running over budget with overtime I think probably in a lot of scenarios too right absolutely if you look at the old-time cost it would pay for another officer right over time in our part-time officer budget we are over budget right and if we're up full-time wages you know I think there's a lot to consider looking through our union contract at a time off our overtime would certainly be cut down but it wouldn't go away and our part-time wouldn't go away I think I think it's fair wouldn't you say chief I don't think the part-time budget will never go away really because you're gonna ever when people are at training or on vacation or if injuries come you have to use the bill in the tax but other than officer people are we don't have anybody to even work part-time I can't even find our time we're fortunate maybe we could all yeah just be prepared to talk about it the next meeting yeah we'll just put that on the agenda for the next meeting and have a discussion about it okay thank you we need me further on I don't think so but I hope to see you tomorrow all right have a good night thank you all right we got DRB liaison discussion report Bob I'm a here invitation just a quick update report where we are it's been a late years the DRB we have not had a lot of applications not a lot of activity out there we've seen that several different fronts we have perpetual problem which is without a member so we really need to do something about recruiting another DRB member we have a couple of alternates true and elson has been helping out quite a bit as has Josh fits you but Josh is out of state half a year so we're getting by it's not probably we can have me before we had been we had started a plan to advertise for these volunteer positions so following that it's it's out there but I'll take a little look at it it's need to sort of I think we need to rethink that as I look at all about your positions we need to have some kind of ongoing way of letting people know that there are openings recurrent that we need yeah we need to have very frankly there's always openings my position we have really easy guys so what we need is people to get involved I've been chair of the DRB for 21 years that's a friggin long time so yeah we really some fresh blood wouldn't hurt have you put any thought into how you get somebody on the board differently you know I ask I went to somebody I think might be interested might be good candidate I'll ask I haven't had any luck with that my contacts and community are not as great as yours perhaps what do you what do you think of from porch forum do you do you look at that that seems to have a I do it it's not a bad place to do it I would be glad to post it there or we can post it I think a regular post there wouldn't be a bad place to talk about it I guess the website is not looked at as much as the front platform it's the traffic we're not driving traffic today so you can use from porch forum to drive traffic to the volunteer positions some way they need to be we did a blitz of you know I think we recruited I forget how many vacancies we had but we've recruited to actually just recently had about seven appointments so far yeah so I'll take a look at what we did a month and a half ago and we're trying to do another blitz yeah well I think I think did a good job planning fill it the planning commission yeah I know where you are with the conservation mission but they're full therefore maybe the DRV is only one that's light at the moment you know it is a little bit more difficult in that as a quasi-judicial position some people will hear about that we are making judgments you're making rules a determination so some people may not like that others I think we have a good board so I'm not worried about that part it's just that you know if one more person dropped out we'd suddenly be scrambling having tours of backup is excellent having Josh's about Josh's been on the DRV for years it's not it's not a major problem I'm just saying it's a perpetual problem right I'll take that one on to look at thank you what we can do I think the biggest problem the DRV's had in the last few months probably last six months now is we're getting the new regulations they're extensive changes in our regulations or land use regulations I for one who use the same regulation for almost 20 years not struggling but I don't I don't assume anything anymore I basically open the book so it's waiting through them we're finding some glitches you the board will see us the board will see the quest for changes in the future I've got some laundry list going on I'll talk to the plan to issue about it I think most of the agreement we want it when I'm finding there's a few things I'd like to see a little bit differently something going back to the old some bit just not being covered you know you find that any of these changes are holding up developments or any building or improvement on properties no I don't think so I don't think so I think all know as you probably know just it's not a lot of demand right now we've had some good applications we've had some interesting stuff going some bit may not go anywhere I spent hours and hours on the application for a new rebuilders dealership right and I think that's all so there's no cars yeah I'm not like that I'm not sure why it's all but I'm told that it may not go through so it's somewhere I think it's in the regulatory process but I think the stability process we did I guess the other thing I would I was going to make tonight to use a report is I think we're very fortunate to have very competent staff in the form of Tom Pedalski and Christy it makes our lives a lot easier when somebody's doing a good job recording obviously Tom does a good job running that part of the show so we feel informed when we get the stuff and we know where to go applications we get are thorough usually very complete that's very different than what I dealt with 20 years ago where people came in with a $2 million project on it handshift you know I don't have to name more so that so this is more of a planning commission question but was Caroline at the last meeting I wasn't able to be in attendance that briefly I think so one of the things that I had is the town's growing and changing and it was our with our emergency services like the police and the fire department and what you see for you know someone's it has a permit in for a building that may require apparatus that we don't already own or any of that how we can not put that on necessarily the homeowners how can we protect the taxpayers from having to take on the burden of some of this additional costs for maybe like one or two projects where all of a sudden we're gonna hear from the fire department where we don't know we can't really anticipate what our increase in our budget is but how would you recommend that that works with the planning commission and the process well two parts first part is we do solicit input from both the fire fire and police department on all applications so if there are issues that affect either department or the highway department yeah we ask that input we really haven't had anything come up the point where it says something needs to be bought there's an apparatus for issue there's a road issue there's a road issue we don't address that we just make it a condition right it was a money issue I we have to go back to the new my laws to figure out whether or not we have the authority to do that that's how I was curious about but I think we do I think we do right I think there's authority in there to sess capital condition is a bare minimum it's something that we could say you need to talk to select board about before we come back to this office so I'm speculating that need to read the letter of my law because the final analysis while I have opinions of what things should happen I think the DRB's role is to interpret and make judgments on the bylaws the hard work as the town grows tremendously could impact we might not see something coming and I think that that's a huge piece that clearly catch us off guard there were plans for improvements to the hospital that was have since fallen through certainly on holes a bare minimum that would I think that would have been an apparatus that was one of the ones I know so I think that's one of those and consider they don't pay any taxes there's a reason to have some kind of description right so I think we would need to look at the bylaw I'm confident we have been faced with the issue so nobody's really studied any questions for the board so far we haven't received too many complaints but they would go to you guys thanks for coming in yeah neighbor you didn't give it up you know the I'm also serve as your representative of the planning mission reason like mission and also serve as you represent on the transportation advisory committee for reason so I thought I take this up to get a quick update on both of those the reason like mission is not been a lot going on there lately I think part of it is they're definitely handicapped by the fact that can't work in person so everything's remote as all of you aware you've had to deal with yourselves I think let's reduce some of the activity most of the activity the planning mission has been through their different committees and they have quite a few responsibilities for improving town plans the town's revised plans and brownfields projects and stuff like I serve on the project review committee that committee also looks at all major projects within Washington County and we determine whether or not they're significant because the regional planning commission is a party all application activity applications so any activity application that we need to be significant we may be in on fitting that thing so I serve on that committee the primary project we've seen the last few years have been solar that's been the bigger projects more controversial because one of the biggest problem we've been seeing the solar is what impact are they having on the distribution solar we put a major solar system in the middle of nowhere to be provided storage so that whole energy planning thing is definitely consuming the regional planning commission as a whole it was not just about where we get our energy from how it's paid for but also how you distribute it how you store it representatives from the public service department there public service department we almost always ask the applicants to show up we do get feedback from the public service department yeah there's been feedback from the agent after resources or any other state agency that's involved right but where's where's the regional planning commission is just a separate edit we literally have a voice in the matters as to whether or not it meets the plan right how it impacts the reason I also serve on the transportation advisory committee half a long time transportation has always been an area of interest to me because my career was in design a lot of the systems again that's position it's available you guys reappoint that handle it should not be so it sounds like you know a good job right now thank you that's that's I appreciate that but I do think it ought to be every year annually advertised as position there is there is there is a position open there they really should be an alternate I cannot necessarily attend all the meetings and the reality is our meetings are typically attended by the the representative and the ultimate I actually stepped down from the transportation advisory committee a number of years ago and slight board you may remember this Brad appointed a new representative transportation advisory committee who never attended a single meeting well that isn't exactly representing the that's just that's where we are there's not a lot of terribly exciting things going on either one of those right now for a while the region planning mission was working on it revisions to the town the regional plan that would be of significant interest to the town of Berlin in more ways than one depending on what they do with it out region there is a fair amount of conflict between some towns or some regions see it Hartford that's not happening right now so they're working on a new plan as currently as though he said no no I think we're a point right now where we've bought some time in terms of day the regional plan but I think within very short it was probably a year to start working out a new regional plan at that point we need to watch it carefully anything else no that's it for me unless you have questions everybody good thanks for joining us yeah thank you for coming over appreciate the updates more than we anticipate that's right I never stop all right next up we have a town website change the server update so that's me server update I'm expecting hopefully by the end of this week or only next week the updated RFP from RB technology on the cost they talking with them they were willing to consider holding the labor cost to the original but the equipment obviously is a concern because the prices are going up and the wait time to get the equipment as the lead time is going to be a bit longer so I'm waiting to get that to finalize that to bring that to you guys to finalize that portion of it the other thing with regards to that is the conversion of the email because talking basically of doing this in three phases really we want to change our domain site from the dot org site to a dot gov site we briefly talked about that on that one specifically I would need a decision I have the paperwork ready to go to do that to start that process I just need to know which name we want to use for the domain that there's two available that makes sense which is Berlin vt.gov we have Berlin vt.org now or town of Berlin vt.gov are both available I can get the application in to secure those for us going forward no charge now with the dot gov sites as well we still having issues with the dot org domain owner that we pay for this site with the best option at this point because the person that was listed as the administrator in the past for whatever reason passed away we've been chasing documentation we've got some but they want more now to move that so we can have administrative control over it or we can just let it expire we can change to a dot gov site and let that one expire and it goes back on the market or decide to get that almost thinking that we should keep it for a while and have it redirect to the new page yeah that would be the business thing to do it finally expires until late next year yeah I'll double check I wanted to mess with people I'd buy it instantly as soon as they hit the market and you know you can you can actually say oh you know pay your fees here and collect what looked like behalf of the town there should be a transition period yeah as far as the name I always think shorter the better as long as it's consistent with other towns and I think Berlin BT is consistent enough I agree it's shorter the better and again it's only three letters change again it should be simple yeah they're pretty straightforward they'll they'll be issues regardless I was yeah I was looking at the proposal 20 hours seems like a lot for the number of users that that the town has that seems like you know one of my old jobs my group was in charge of email conversions for you know thousand people at a time they're charging buy from what I can see they're charging you to watch the little dial go around and around and not actually hands-on so that would be something I bring up the other thing is I don't know why on earth you would have physical a physical server here and a rack in a backup very few people do that anymore you can buy those services they're commodity now you can buy them right through Microsoft to fit in with your suite here Microsoft backs all that stuff up it's all remotely done RB technologies can still manage that if you did just but I mean you can save we can save thousands of dollars by that are 57 almost $5,700 part of this proposal are fake yeah the 80 8500 nope that was the email migration anyways I was just looking at the different line items thank you man there's some opportunity there and I'm happy to the benefit is going to the cloud is always up to date like you know getting a new lease car every year right you know it's and you have Microsoft or someone like that maintaining it who better to maintain a Microsoft product than Microsoft themselves I just think that there's there's a bunch of money there's probably $2,000 just on this page a couple thousand dollars on this page and I think it's just the way RB technologies has always kind of done things here in Vermont it's not specific to us I am glad to see that they're moving to Microsoft products that gives us more flexibility you know if we have a problem with the vendor people were able to switch to someone else rather quickly and and it's an easy transition unlike some of the software and hardware that was being used before so I will take an action to discuss look at since we don't have the new code yet anyway to give us that option in there should we choose to not have a server on site and go with Microsoft to include that option right yeah I always look at it like a yearly recurring cost they do break it down monthly on the small accounts you know and over time you may end up paying close to the same but you never have to worry about replacing it again having 50 hours of labor time to do that right that's where you're saving well the other part of it that I was a little nervous about and Diane I know you love this system but that the NemRick system scares the heck out of me oh really yes yes I won't talk about it on live TV on the reasons why but we should we should talk about what type of things we store there offline sometimes so if the board agrees then I think I mean I would like to complete the application to request the Berlin vt.gov site get that moving forward so we at least have that secured don't lose that very likely that would but don't lose that site option we'll let the BT the Berlin vt.org site run through a transition period before we decide to let it expire yeah I'll get the dates for that what we wanted to do is just redirect we don't want to keep on not two sites right when we're when we're ready and up and running on the vt.gov site then we can fade off in the sunset yeah in the meantime yeah redirect and I'll get a timeline I'll push our VTech for a timeline on the email to go to the office 365 okay those will be the three phases right the domain the email and then the server the other yeah the other potential option is to I haven't looked enough about what the email cost was the licensing in here for your email I believe there was a price for license for a license per month I'll have to look at that again there's there may be some other options available specifically for email that would make you more consistent with the police department and be able to share calendars with them and have a little bit more a little more continuity there free free flow of data yeah for me on that unless there's a questions it's not gonna cost anything right right the dog of domains are free so it's not we're voting on any expenditure right it doesn't feel there's any opposition to it okay right union position to add admin position to the bargaining unit yes there's a letter in your package from Mr. Cameron as well this recommendations on that thank you so they want to add one existing unit the administrator position wants to join the police unit so there's basically there's two options for this right we can agree to the board can agree to allow the position to become part of the unit unit or require the union to file a petition to hold the vote it's one person the recommendation from she wants to join with the union yes so who would be her boss because right now you're her boss right from a staff position yes but it'd be similar to the chief and the police staff right that would that be the case you know have all the rights and benefits of the union contract you have to be written into this this contract as well would have revised to include that position which you take with the police chief tell her what to do first and then you okay so you would not be in charge of her like you are now just want to get that clear yeah I think the current contract states first yeah so who would take a vote you said there were two options one just to allow it the second right the board can approve it to allow that position to become part of the union or the board we could petition me have the union file she would have to file a petition with the union to hold a vote it's a one person vote basically right secret ballot type of thing whether or not they want the union and so on kind of a new point to go that you spoke with her and she definitely wants the chief has spoken with her as well so there's no point making her petition correct I move approval to allow position to become part of the unit second discussion those in favor say hi hi motion carries highway superintendent discussion on blower purchase grant program bid review he's probably in a non he was going to try to call in he's on the road today today so I can tell you in your package there's a document for the AIDS program start with easy one I just mean saying that we're going to participate in the municipal rose grant program like we do I understand every year so that just needs to be signed I think it's just the chair of the signs that we just think as well and then from the the bids in your package is also a table of the bids and what's highlighted in yellow was Tim's recommendation he did the calculations he just joined us he's in the way to then she were going to have the highway for men start to give us a monthly report as well I'm including that in my end of the month report okay section for Tim okay that would be in there okay Tim can you hear us I can hear you near me yep yes perfect perfect timing we just got to your you on the agenda so I was explaining I'll let you explain the details of the chart that I put together with the bids where you chose Northeast for the materials and Newton for the trucking based on your your calculations of overall price and the fact that Northeast was willing to hold that price basically for a three year term as well yeah so I we received all the bids two weeks ago went through them and I looked through everybody and with adding up the pricing of the material and trucking and just the quality Northeast material for the town of Berlin and I spoke with that they were willing to Tim how much three quarter plant next do we buy a year Tim we had a quote a certain tonnage on the on the bed what that 75 cents extra I believe we have a quote a specific tonnage on the bed yeah with 8,000 8,000 tons out of it and a half and then with this name I'm just under the trucking I want to slow it down a little bit how do we understand what your recommendation is Tim but so I see Gillespie's has an hourly rate and then you've got Newton with a tonnage rate yeah so it doesn't look like they bid the same way well did your RFP ask for a specific way it was either way so you asked them to bid either way yeah whatever you know I mean a lot of people don't like Gillespie's bids everything places that don't scale he said that he would bid it so how much what's the what's the price difference between Gillespie and Newton for same materials out of northeast granite what's that mean but right so what are the prices what's Gillespie's price per ton break down to buy when they're doing it hourly so we can make a comparison I'm not sure I don't think it works at my so using hang up using northeast materials for plant max is it's an extra $7250 above hikes why why would we do that why well four or five years ago when they stopped buying it from bike they were getting flat tires lost up those rocks people were getting flat tires shot ledges yeah no I was just I was just making sure we had an answer into why we were paying that much more and as far as the per ton per hour what have they taught you know truck how much the ten wheel or hold the Gillespie's truck is it a tri axle it's pretty damn close well Newton I mean by the time or by the hour it depends on close to the mix doing a little bit or waiting in line behind three other trucks waiting to get felt in the future that we just have it all bit per ton and not give them the hourly option well I think we can do that like with you they're doing it by the yard because they don't have right I think that's why it's in this area but yeah you're talking about just yeah I was that was that part of it yeah it's not human this one there's not too many kids around our area break it off the cubic yard how much does a cubic yard way 7.5 2750 pounds they go on a one 1.3 percent inch when they try to figure it out and then of course it varies on the material so they go out of 1.6 what is what's northeast material Tim Tim is still up to talk about the blower that he'd like to purchase for you because this is the first I've heard of this so or you can buy this in June because if you don't buy this in June is that I spoke with the dealer just to be clear Tim the the blower was just the price they quoted you I believe was just a little under 8k and you've got 9500 you said in the budget okay is that those aren't dedicated funds are they I just yeah I looked at the one you gave me can't we rent one Tim you there I think you fell over you think times are just starting to use them right there yeah there's a couple of Tim you're back yeah can now maybe you want to explain a little more depth or what you want to use like you were talking to me about what you want to use that blower for besides just the culverts like you know in the fall for when you want to grade the roads and they're covered with leaves and pine needles where are you going to see the ball of the year well even right now like you drive over a crop down the outside of the road last three feet of the road where the traffic works it off it's all pine needles and if we graze that in the great that road all that might be caught in the road and it doesn't lay out and then if it does get broke down it's like turning the mud we can't you mean the road doesn't get laid back out flat and then when it does fall it comes off and they fall on the side of the road and then fall of the year leaves the same thing with pine needles roll it off well how effective is this have you seen have you seen this being used by other municipalities we have and I know that I hope he sold some they're very happy with it a short bit of time damage have you ever used one well no not personally but when when we started looking at them they're using quite a bit on the golf thing below the debris off the golf course so I'm just thinking about this you're going along I'll use my brook brookfield road you're blowing out the dishes is blowing all this dust and debris into everyone's yards well we wouldn't do it right and somebody you know I mean per se like their door you are like you would blow it at their house but like you get down past your house where it's all the very stuff mainly with leads are going to get them over so Tim when you talk erosion when you talk erosion control what account is it because I don't see things as erosion are we talking about them I don't know the number talking resurface gravel asphalt I mean what are we talking about no no it's erosion control it's down in the bottom of that page okay yeah I do show that we budgeted 10,000 you spent $369 so I'm showing 96 30 yeah what was the intent of that money to put $10,000 in an erosion control account like we must have had a plan at one point to do something right so it also state ballers a lot of that goes up last year before I started a huge file called it yeah still got a bunch of it left out behind the shop that's what we buy the A one year I think they bought hold on Tim that's trying to talk the erosion control state requires that any ditch work whatever we were doing has to be lying the stone or see yes we're not doing that right Tim yeah we are oh okay we've got a bunch of hay left so we're gonna put hay in the ditches after we clean them out and then we're gonna blow it out see how it works I'm just messing with a couple of different motions here Kim how many bids did you get on this there's only one machine in the northeast right now with that the buffalo blower that everybody's buying or out for like size that size of a blower that buffalo blower so this one is self-powered what's the good what's the what's this what's the cubic feet per minute on the blower I don't know off the top of my head how many horsepower thank you said it's 16 horsepower motor yeah we can just he said that the color motors I mean if we went out to bid it wouldn't be done this year personally I have no just as long as I mean other towns are using them they seem successful I think they've both got them last fall but I mean I understand the wanting to keep the organic matter out of roadway I think so because I mean if they're the only dealer in the northeast unless you want to go out to New York or down into then you have a problem of service what's the resale value on these things Tim I think we're I think we're doing so so the he has the money Joe cost was about $8,000 Tim you you said the cost is 8,000 you send it over the weekend it was right around 8,000 yeah it was like I think 8,100 with tax no taxes with taxes so I don't because I can't get the email on my phone so on the computer work purchase the bar from the ditches ready 100 second discussion all those in favor say aye aye aye motion carries we also need to probably do a motion that's right a lot of the time I think so yeah there's an authorization represent so we'll have the board chairs starting letter of intent just getting this world's great program that's the yearly grant program we have to do that every year and any further discussion what's up with that's that's every year yep you've done the discussion all those in favor say aye aye motion carries about the bed acceptance oh yeah make a motion to approve using north east materials and new construction to for our inch and a half three-quarter inch and winter sand say yeah you discuss it all those in favor say aye aye motion carries all right traffic traffic and parking ordinance decisions on public hearing we talked about that may have some more questions I can give you an update on the recent well the big thing tonight it would be the public hearing when the board would like to have a public hearing on that as far as with respect to the revised ordinance changing the speed limits on Brookfield road in the Brookfield mirror lake and Richardson you have 30 days notice right yeah yeah 30 days 31 days from now that meeting after that right at the beginning of it okay the public hearing you go right into our meeting 31 days next next select board meeting perfect all right that'd be the first meeting now just approval of license permits vouchers and applications move to approve payroll warrant 21 through 26 for payroll from June 6th 2021 to June 21st 2021 paid on June 23rd 2021 in the amount of 40,000 224 dollars and 10 cents payable warrant 21 G 20 25 with checks 21 to 13 to 21 241 in the amount of 52,368 dollars and 56 cents I'll second that any discussion all those in favor say aye well carries this wasn't on the agenda round table flow do you have anything ground table I do not thank you I do not I got a whole list of things sorry it's not allowed okay just one is a reminder the documents that need to be signed in the package the other one I'd just like to give the rest of the board a quick update they want it on the parking on the paint turn bike south and the meeting that I had with the city of Montpelier regards to that and the battling hill parking as well so I met with the state and I met with the city of Montpelier on pain turn by south just past the turn to Brookfield Road basically the state is out of it that we'd have to the state side next to the interstate because if you talked a little bit before federal requirements would come into play and permitting and all that when we did the measurements with the state as well we are within our right of way on the Montpelier side on the pond side of that so technically we didn't even have to approach Montpelier with it but we did and I went to the council meeting well assumed on the council meeting they had that night when Bill Frazier was presenting it to him from the site visit that we had we can go roughly from the end of the guardrails 900 feet and stop just short of the corner and have all that by just grading off the top sail and maybe putting down a little bit of gravel based on what Tim's find finds there because he was there and had 900 feet of parking so we get 30 to 40 cars right there off the off the road along that stretch so that's and Montpelier is fine with it basically the question that Tim and I had on that if we put that many there do we get rid of the parking on Brookfield Road entirely those nine spots that are signed down there to stop the congestion and such that's just a question we make the decision something to think about personally I think we should get well old habits die hard well or at least in force the parking well the thing is that you leave those nine spots there and then really push the enforcement of the no parking we should probably you should probably consider that my opinion I understand what you're saying but we should reduce it because when you park a full-size pickup at the end which many people do you're sticking out into the road I would take in that perhaps change the way they park there but you can modify it if you want to close that you can give it a word and if you can see how how they park along the paint turned by north or south there if they screw that out that's gonna be hard to do but I would I wouldn't take and give up those nine I mean I've taken market and well put the stoner barrier there fine but I wouldn't take it I'll work with Tim on that the one thing I was thinking they do it in the winter as well and it's painted we may put time when that's all I'll come up with a proposal that I love to do if we were fully staffed in the police department maybe you know you know what I'm saying yeah I do I know there's other things they need to do other than so that's that update the other one is on Darling Hill the access we went up there again with Bill Frazier after looking at this one and just beyond where the stones are now on the Montpellier property there is a landing no log landing you can get a hundred foot one hundred foot parking area in there just by doing a whole bit of grading probably very little material again the council in Montpellier was was open to to that as well to get the parking off the roadway and so that's there's a information packaging your folder as well it shows what we're what I talked to Montpellier about that they're they're on board with yeah so it's at some point in the next meeting or two when I get word back if they have any further comments from what I said then I'll put it on the agenda again to just make the decision on if we want to move forward with that Fisher Road I'm gonna bring that one back up for it the special meeting we have a date really should be this week if we want to try well we want to look at all the options to try to get it completed this year the biggest thing is just ordering the culvert itself yeah but it's not cheap well the question is if we take it out of the bid documents and the town fronts the cost for it we can get it ordered that's what I'm saying this week if the board agrees we can get it ordered this week and get them to start manufacturing I think the culvert was six to eight week trade now we have to pay up front and then it's almost half a million dollars we have to leave it in the bid and we won't you know we won't get the work done this year right more than likely again we won't get it actually completed because best case if we do this we'll get the work done the culvert in and we'll get temporary payment and again you have all almost all the information in the package that I gave you so you can preview it before the meeting and be ready with your questions for him as well I could do Wednesday night I am not available Thursday night or Friday night not to narrow people's options I just can't do those two nights I'm gonna meet David's coming in to pick up his package tomorrow so I can ask him as far as the meeting as well if he can be in attendance whatever the board decides tonight issues floor Brad early late time you want to start yes what day are you looking at Vince look at a day next week what about when or this week what about Wednesday I can't Wednesday of this week I can't Tuesday or Thursday is it this week only or are you looking at next week as well we're trying to do it this week so we can get the decision made you're looking at what you guys want to make work I'll make it work five I'm gonna be dirty but I'll come here after work what's that flow work on Wednesday in person yeah I had a family emergency tonight but I will be there in person on Wednesday I'll still put the zoom on your package also we received another letter on good Sam somebody that's not it's a concern that they have so I put that in the package as well you can read that at your convenience for information for you just a lot of concern there regarding that so give that individual your cell phone well it's it was anonymous oh yeah it was no well I know where it is yeah I thought you might this is all good okay that that was it thank you all right no executive session right no sir okay all those in favor