Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique house. So it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with a lovely, amazing official, Ms. Jamaica. What's going on? None, none.  I want you all to stop what you're doing right now at this moment, at this present moment in time. Stop what you're doing and go ahead and like, subscribe, follow us on all social media platforms. Share us, too, with your friends. Don't just be all selfish with our content. Let's go ahead and share us with everybody, you know. Because what we're doing, we're doing it for everybody in this world. To help and motivate and educate the people out there. But don't forget, like, subscribe, especially if you want to see our full-length interviews, check it out on Patreon and on our YouTube membership. Go ahead and sign up for us, because that's what's going to make us keep doing what we're doing. Y'all? Man, hold up, man. Hey, I'm back in the building, man.  We get some of the dopest people in here. Some of these guys, y'all, hey, listen, man, y'all don't know what their story is going to be like, man. So y'all be in for a surprise. Shout out to everybody that's tuning in right now to that little soldier slim that dropped this morning, or just dropped a while ago, actually, man. Just want to say, man, I hope you guys are liking the movement called It Going Down, man, in the dirty south. Check it, man. I got a guy here today. You don't need no introduction, man. This guy right here, man. Listen, man, world-class strength conditioning coach, Trina. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I worked with Earl Spence for show. You know what I'm saying? I had to get him in here with the time and the way it is. People, you know, everybody got questioned about what happened. I think this guy right here could at least enlighten me on some things that heat, the way he prepares different people. You know what I mean? For sure, for sure. When they're getting ready to go into certain situations, all life. You know? Health is well. Health is well. Health is health. Health is well. Both of them. They go together. Yes, sir. So with this guy right here, man. I start tucking my stomach in when I see the nipple. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, this nipple's going to judge me. You know what I'm saying? Don't judge me. You know what I'm saying? Don't judge. He might can help you. Well, I'm just saying. I was holding my stomach in the whole time. If I release it, I might push this whole table. You know what I'm saying? Blue rays in the building, man. What's good? What's going on, baby? I'm blessed. My brother, I'm blessed.  You know, everybody said they watching Boss Talk. Where the hell Boss Talk come from? No. What's good?  Where the hell Boss Talk come from? No. What's good, man? Man, I don't know it, man. I be trying to chill, man, but I be cutting up at the same time. I've been doing it my whole life. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man, thank you for coming on the show, bro. No, I appreciate it. I appreciate time for having me. Man, I can't wait to get into it, man. Mr. Maker, what you going to do?  So, you were raised in here in Dallas? Yeah, Holland Hills. Holland Hills. From Holland Hills. Gator Man from Holland Hills, man. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying? He's showing off a rabbit. I'm talking about the music. Go ahead, man. Were you raised with your parents, mom and dad, or single household? Well, my parents ended up divorcing when I was a kid. How old? Ooh, I don't even remember. It was just out of that. Okay, you were real young. Before 10? Oh, yeah. I was like, maybe like two or three. Oh, oh, so you don't even remember? I don't even remember at all. Okay. And then my dad got custody, and in the process of my dad having custody, we stayed with him until the, I mean, but we was always back and forth from my grandmother to Holland Hills. So, every weekend, we was always at her house. And then... I got to put a pen right there, because that's kudos to your dad, because a lot of times I, people sitting in that seat and telling me, it's always with their mom.  So I had to stop you right there and just say, kudos to your dad to take on that role. Yeah.  It was me and my brothers. It was three of us. Wow. And that's one thing I've always said. As I got older and understood certain things, and I've even said to my husband, I always believe that when boys reach a certain age, they need to be with their father. For sure.  Exactly. But it is very detrimental for the boys to be with their mom in the earlier stage to teach them how to be caring, nurturing towards women and stuff like that. Exactly. If you just raise boys from birth and no female involvement, they're too hard. Yeah. They don't know how to, you know, touch in that other side of them. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that because I'm going to be honest with you got grumbos, you got, you got anies, anies, drinking beer and bottles around the house when uncle, because God has a way of filling those boys. For sure. You know what I mean? But you need a female. I agree with that. That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying there is a female there. The sister, the auntie, the cousin, somebody going to come over there. Yeah, for sure. Smoking cigarettes. Sitting on the porch. Give me a hug, boy.  Yeah, for sure. Aint even play a part, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No, not at all. No, not at all. Why? That's something you have to talk to her about. I have no idea. So do you have a relationship with her? We cool. We we called you. Yeah. Okay. I didn't establish that until I was like 26. Really? Yeah. So she lived close by, she didn't live far? She was always, so when we were younger, she was always in the city. But I can't explain why she wasn't active. You know, I have no idea why she wasn't, you know, we would see her maybe once a year or something like that. And then I think I was like 12 or something like that. She had started dating some guys. She had asked us for permission. She was like, do y'all, do you mind if I move to Houston?   And you weren't seeing her very often anyway? I wasn't seeing her. So there was really no emotional attachment anyway, you know? Did you feel like there, I know you said grandma was your mother, but did you ever feel like any void was missing?  No, for sure. Honestly, I didn't. You didn't? Honestly, I never, it's kind of like one of those situations you don't miss what you never had. It's something I never had, so I never knew that I was missing it. Now, as I've gotten older and became a man, I can understand the aspects of not having my biological mother there. I can understand how it affected me as I've gotten older. But when I was young, I didn't understand at that particular time. But especially in this generation, because growing up, for me, like when I was younger, people wasn't thinking about how you feel, how it's affecting your mental state. You know, this is the reason why it's such and such and such, and you know, how was it growing up?  That's why I, so that's the one thing I love about that. This generation is that they make you think about all of that is like they're trying to break that traditional, that generational curse is trying. So it makes me wonder, I wonder what the next generation is going to be like. That's the positive side of this generation. It has a lot of negative, but that's the positive side of this generation that I like. But even with a lot of men, a lot of men still don't understand that aspect of parenting and growing up, you know, and I didn't, I didn't really develop those skills until I became a teacher because I was a teacher for a gym teacher for 11 years. And so it's just dealing with 800 kids every day. It gave me a different perspective on how to deal with kids. I believe in just my personal opinion. Every black man needs to be a teacher for at least two to three years because it would teach you empathy on a whole nother level when it comes to parenting. That's why I'm so that's why my kids are with me now. That's why I'm so responsible on what I do, what I don't do, what I say, how I carry myself, everything because I'm playing seeds. Everything I do, everything I say. And a lot of men would do anything in front of their children. And if I would have my kids at a younger age, when I was in the streets, I believe I want to be the father that I am today. I agree and I disagree with certain things because I know some teachers who are great teachers but can't handle their own kids. Yeah. You understand what I mean? They prefer to put their kids on somebody else because they don't have patients with their own kids. It's different to have patients with other people kids. For sure. But to deal with your own is totally different. Well, one thing I'm sitting here listening to both of y'all talk, you know, you said generational curses, you said plant seeds, you know, these are things that we learn from structure of whether to be biblical, the Quran or wherever you learn in how to be a better person through looking at other people's lifestyles in these books that we've read for sure. There's a lot of these books have been around forever. So these are things that shape and our character, even if they didn't do it back in the days because they didn't pretty much meditate on the on the different things that they were learning and accustomed to. Yes, sir. The knowledge was there. We know the knowledge was there. It talks about and that's how I develop my skills after turning my life over to God, to be honest, which I have to be real.  I didn't have to go to no mental nothing. I went to that place where I died and became a person who could understand how to learn structure and look at other people's lives and compare mine to the lives that I read about. Yes, sir. You see what I'm saying for sure. This is the things that helped me. So the generational curse, the plant seeds, these things that helped me to understand how to develop my character in a way to where I could deal with my children, my wife, my mother, my brother, because before learning these things, I didn't understand how to deal with different, you know, situations that came my way. I tried to handle them from a perspective of whatever was tangible or whatever I could do to try to figure out a way to capitalize on the moment through a hustle or a scheme or whatever. Yeah, that's what I and I would use my own your own capacity and my own intellect. Yeah. What? Oh, what? You know, that's what we all did. For sure. That's a fact. So when you look at it, especially and I mean, especially if you to have somebody out of the field to your why you expect as a teenager, because like I say, just go ahead and finish up the story. Like so around the fifth grade, we moved with my grandmother. So we would see my dad maybe once a year because because so my dad took us on. But then after we were my grandmother, he fell back. I don't understand that. But that's a whole other situation. But then, you know, we are in Highland Hills with my grandmother and grandfather. And then you are already, you know, you from Dallas, right? Oh, yeah. No, I'm from Texas, but I've been in Dallas since the 70s. OK, so you are here. So you already know what I'm doing with growing up in the 80s and 90s. Yeah. In Highland Hills, you know what I mean? So we just gravitated toward what we knew. Yeah, that's the street. Do you feel like it's because some people say don't matter. But knowing the things that you know now, do you think it might be important to maybe whether you get an answer or not to ask your dad why why did you fall back or ask your mom?  But at least to get it off your chest, whether. Well, I had a heart to heart. So I grew up always thinking that the divorce was my dad's fault. Come to find that it was my mom's fault. OK. You know, I'm saying my whole life, I thought it was my dad. Then come to find out it was my mom. The reason they got it for us. But that's all I'm going to put that business right, right. But, you know what I'm saying? It's just that a lot of things I just didn't. It's still I had a conversation with my dad one time and he still avoided accountability. Right. You see what I'm saying? So trying to get him, you know, the older guys and he probably understand what I'm saying. And I'm not saying you don't understand, but I'm just saying like the old grandfathers, the old men back in the day, when they was in the house, they really didn't say too much. I know that was my experience, right? Like my grandfather, he was emotional. So what I had to do was I had to look at my grandfather to understand my dad. Exactly. Because that's where they get it from. Exactly. You see what I'm saying? And I'm totally different from my dad. I'm verbal. I'm sociable. My dad is an introvert of introverts. You don't talk to people. You really don't deal with people. Unless unless it's mainly about business, but trying to be emotional and open up. He don't deal with his emotions. Matter of fact, my dad has never told me he loved me ever. Right. Even after we were established our relationship back when I was 21. But one day I said, I'm going to make him say he loved me. So you're going to say it to him? Yeah, I'm going to say it to him. And I said it. He didn't even respond. And at this time, you know, I'm older. So I'm like, you know, I don't I'm like that now.  And I meant that, though. Like, I was on that type of time with him because, like, bro, I'm trying to open up with you. And then he he went on and said it. But I had to force him to say it. And it broke me, bro. Hurt my heart. I'm just being transparent. I don't mind being wrong. So a lot of men don't want to be wrong. A lot of people make him say it easier for him to say it the next time or the next time it didn't even come. I've never went back down that road. But let me say this. I remember one time I was 17 years old and there was a situation that transpired. So I was in the street by the end, like getting it to the point where I'm paying bills out at I'm in high school. Right. And so one day he came over to the crib and I just felt like I wanted to be transparent and have a conversation with him. And the situation happened. Boom, he slapped me. What?  And so me, like I said, I'm on that type of time by then. I know I can rule my dad. It's not even a question. But just what I told him, I said, say, bro, let me tell you something. The Bible say, honor thy father and thy mother, mother that our days may be long upon the earth, right? Your mother groomed me and raised me to honor my father and mother, even though you have not been here step by step. Right. So I'm going to show you how strong I am by honoring the woman that raised me when you were supposed to be raising me. So I'm going to show you the strength that she put in me that I'm not even going to retire. I still, bro, I'm not even going to go there with you. Yeah, that's honorable, man. And you helped him, too, whether he wanted me or not. I never hugged my daddy till you hear this story. So I graduated high school, really never hugged him. That was the first hug I ever got. Yes, sir. Never told. When I learned who God was for me, I started saying I love you to him. That was something that they didn't express like that. But at the end of the day, I get exactly what you're saying, because I came under that same umbrella. Yes, sir. You see what I'm saying? So I understand that. And it is hurtful, but you have to keep telling them. Keep telling them. Me and my brother talk about that all the time. When you keep telling somebody that, then it puts them in a different place because they used to hearing it from their mother. They used to hearing it from their daddy. No, not their daddy, their grandma. Well, some of that, some of that feet. No, not just females. I'm talking back in the day. People who understand who God is. Exactly, for sure. They're different, you know, different people. I get it, the females are inherent, and they love more than me. And we know that they're emotional, but at the end of the day. The average man is not saying that. The average man not saying that. Because they feel like I gotta toughen you up.  That's what I've always heard. So that's why a lot of men don't do that. And because, yes, their father didn't tell them that, so they didn't know how to.  We try our best what we can do as a parent. We try, a lot of parents are very guilty of this. We overcompensate with our kids what we didn't have. Thanks. So if we didn't have clothes, shoes, all of that, we're giving our kids all of that, but that don't mean that's what your kids need right now. Totally agree. So by you opening up, and every parent think that they're doing the best that they can, no matter what it is. Even although you might not as a child. So opening up and telling them, you know, this is how I felt when I was younger because you weren't here, this, this, this, this.  They gon', or they might open up. You don't know, depends on the stage they're at in their life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel that that conversation is very important for me. I agree. Totally agree. I'ma shift gears. Thank you.  Well, I appreciate that.  You know, we just took it there. You're welcome. I know, you're welcome. Yeah, you're 10 minutes. That's all you get.  You took it there, man. But I want to get into the training. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. Like the training is something else because, you know, I've seen y'all size jump when you come in here, to be honest with you.  You know, they thinkin' that.  I ain't even been workin' out. You know that.  Yeah. Can do your little conditioning program. I watched it. I've seen it.  He do the muscle ups. I've seen that. I say, okay, I see the nigga tryin' to pull these games, man. But let's get into it, man. The training is live and dope, man. Thank you so much for being there for our people, man. I appreciate it. I'm on it, I'm on it.  I see you in the picture with Thomas.  He didn't, I didn't have boss talk at the time. You know, I told the nigga, I knew Michael Irvin, he was saying he knew Dion. We was tit for tat. I thought me and the nigga was gonna be friends. He followed me on Instagram and everything.  He was a homie from the hood, yeah.  That's why, that's how I met Earl. Okay, I love seeing him and his son together. That's what I used to tell him. And he'll say something online and you know, I'm big, big, big brother on my T. Hey, man, don't even worry about that, man. Your son, way more important, I'll say stuff like that. Because people, the devil try to get y'all focused. For sure. You see what I'm saying? No, for sure. And at the end of the day, he do little things, put little obstacles in your way. So there's a lot of times I get up at night if I see something don't look right, I don't care.  But I see you guys in the gym. You play little basketball too? Cause I didn't see you. Well, I don't play anymore. I used to. Yeah, cause them niggas out there playing basketball too, him and yelling and all of them. They can't play that good. I said, they tried. I don't do a lot of recreational sports because if you turn ACL in it, you know what I mean? I'm not getting paid.  So I get out, yeah, I just stay in the gym. I'm good. So how was it? And how did you end up?  Just explain to us how you got into it seriously, professionally. Oh, well, so I was working at the school gym teacher and then I was building my training business on the side, you know, going to work, then getting off work, training people, things of that nature. And you started young? No, no, no, no, I didn't start working. I had never worked out in my life until I was like 29. Wow. Really? That's how old. You started late. Yeah, I was, I was in the streets. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But yeah. I definitely understand that. That's all I did my whole life. Yeah.  Exactly, so what happened was, so the reason I changed my life, because my son's my oldest son, mom, me and her were together and, you know, she didn't like the lifestyle I was living. Okay.  That's cool. So what I did was, I went eventually, eventually, because it was hard to go get a job. I eventually got a job. My partner, mama hooked me up, got me inside the school district and did not start doing that. So years later, I started working out just because I just wanted to work out. And so I just got good at it overnight. It was like a gift from God. I just like, I got a gift from God because my partner, my partner sticks named Blue Ray because one day I had started working out and then one day I'm on the block because you know, I'm still dibbing and dabbing and I had my shirt off and he was like, he pulled out like, because he hadn't seen me in a minute. He was like, bro, what you been doing? I said, man, I've been working out.  That's how it happened. And so he said, man, your body, high definition, like a blue ray player. You know, that's the one you had to stand. It wasn't high quality. You had to pay a little more for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was like, I was like, man, I like that name. You know what I mean? So I still call myself blue ray. Yeah, high definition. Wow.  How do you even end up? You say Thomas and introduce you to it, but how did you end up being Earl Spence, Junior's trainer? So what happened was, I was doing a good trick on Instagram, like you said, right? Cause I was a part of a team called Team Beast Mode out in New York. So if you pull up a hard vital on YouTube, like one of the strongest dudes ever, like he a legend in working out. Like he's probably one of the strongest dudes ever to be on YouTube, right? So I was a part of his crew cause I used to go to New York and work out. Yeah, I used to go to New York. New York to work out. Cause I remember the first time I worked out with Team Beast Mode, we did like 2,400 push-ups, like 2,400 push-ups, the first, the first time. How long did it take y'all just did them? So what it is, is that they have these stairs and what we in Lincoln Terrace Park? I think we were Lincoln Terrace Park. They got these stairs. Even Lincoln Terrace, Tompkins, one of those two. They got these stairs, 24 stairs. So what you have to do to be initiated, you got to do 100 push-ups every step. Every step. Every step. So when you get done it's 2,400. So I'm up there working out this doing. So that's continually no breaks. No breaks, no. That's what I'm trying to figure out. You're doing 100 every step. Every step. Every step. Every step. Cause straight, y'all do your stop. No, you're supposed to do it straight. But third time you stop. No, of course, that was my first time.  Cause some of them's over there hurting, burning. Like look these people up. Lord Vital. They call him Beast and the dude named Juice. Team Beast Mode, right? So, and J.R. from Team Beast Mode. So, this is my first time up there working out. So when they say, we bought it in the Young Stats too. They say we bought the dude with 24. I say, what? I'm from Hollywood, I'm from Dallas. We don't work out like that. Wait, what did you tell him that? So, but you don't back down from a competition. Man, listen, I back down here. Yeah, you're not even 100. So listen, the dude named Juice, he hopped down. He banged out 100 straight. I say, what? He go to the next step. 100 straight, I say, nah, man. Nah, nah, nah, this ain't real. I'm, boss, I'm working at him. 100. What? How long does it take? I don't remember, cause I stopped at 400.  I stopped at 400, keep it a bug. I stopped at four, but that dude Juice, Beast and I, they brought him up the step, bro. No stopping, but they been training like this. They been conditioned like doing it for so long. It's like my oldest brother, when he was locked up, he would tell me they were doing a thousand push ups. I did. In a certain amount of time, I'm like, bro. So, he wasn't believable until I seen it. Did you ever? Oh, he done it, he done it. Well, I'm gonna say, I get the, I get the, I didn't, I never did, I never did it with the Beast. With the Beast, bro. I never did it with them, but that was my initiation into the crew. You know what I'm saying? So I come back to Dallas. So I'm in Dallas, I'm working out by myself. I ain't got nobody, ain't nobody down here doing that. You know what I'm saying?  She was gonna call me. I was, I was ready. You didn't do nothing. You didn't do nothing. You didn't do nothing. I just wanted to say, what? Nine then. Nine did nothing lately. She ain't around, but it's in me. You know, it's in me. Don't try to play me. Go ahead.  Then Charles Hadley, he seen me. You know what I mean? Charles Hadley was popping back. You know, he a professional boxer. He was popping at the time. So he hit my DM. No, I tell you about him DM. He just sent me a message. And so I hit his DM and boom, we hooked up to him. I trained him two fights. So the first fight I trained him, he had to fight in two weeks. He went 12 rounds and then the next fight I trained him, I trained him the entire count. He knocked the dude out in the first round. So after that fight, we kind of parted ways for whatever reason. And then Thomas, he found out about it. Yeah, I wasn't trying to charge anymore.  I'm to my bro, he the baddest dude around here. And I was like, ooh, he said, I'm gonna hook you up with him. Boom, he set the meeting up. You know, he talked about Earl Spencer. He set the meeting up. So he set the meeting up, you know, and that's how I met Earl Spencer. We started training. We first, our first training session was at the 24 hour fitness and city hill. That's the first time we had worked out. But then after that, we locked in. All the way in. Yeah, we locked in. So, and word on the streets is that for 10 fights, when you was training, he had 10 knockouts, is that true? No, it's 11. 11, I'm sorry, excuse me. I didn't mean no problem about it. It ain't word on the street, that's facts. That 11, do you know the names of all 11 fights? So if you go on Boxerick, right?  And so after the Ronald Cruz fight from that, that's when I started training him. And then I trained him all the way up to the Ocampo fight. So that's 11 fights, he had 11 stoppages. How did you feel, did you know that what you was doing was working? Like you knew that it was something that was shaping and molding him and helping with these wins, you know, for us, because conditioning is serious. You have to have your A game on the mentally to even deal with the type of training. Just like you said, you went into it talking mentally just about seeing them guys in New York doing them 2400 push-ups. It's the same thing, even when you're dealing, we're coming in with training Earl or training any Boxer. So what was it like, how was it mentally even preparing him and getting to know him and understanding what he was looking for? Well, to be honest with you, I didn't know to end up in the beginning. You know, I knew I was a great trainer and I knew I was good at what I was doing, but you know, this was my first big time boxer. You know what I mean? Because you only had one more before him. Exactly, you know what I mean? So going from training basketball players and football players and dealing with them. When you talk about fighting, it's totally different. It's totally different, right? But over the years, I mastered it. I got it figured out. But it took time. So we're working with Earl. When I first started training him, I knew what I was doing, but I didn't know what I was doing. You know what I'm saying? I knew how to get him in shape, but I didn't know how to make him a monster. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So at first, what I was training him, I just had him in shape and he going off his natural talent, natural ability. And a lot of trainers won't be transparent to be real in that regard. Some people get up here. Man, I know what I'm, no, no, no, no. Because you gotta understand what he's by the response to and I know what he's by the response to because the results speak for themselves, right? So... But what were you in charge of? Because when I think about a box, I think about they have multiple trainers or coach. So when you say make him a monster, I think about somebody who's making a monster as a person who's actually teaching him the techniques, the boxing and all of that. No, no, no, no, no. That is a part of it. That's an element of a part of it. Don't get it twisted. In what form of a monster are you talking about making like endurance-wise? Yeah, in fact, so my philosophy was to train his body where he was a machine. That was my, when I say make him a monster into physically making him a machine. I don't do the boxing technique.  He's great, been with her up before I even met him. He's phenomenal at what he do. We got a lot of great top boxers at the moment, you know what I mean? So that, you know, Derek James was in charge and he always been working on the technique and the game plan, et cetera, et cetera. But when I came in, my goal was to make his body unbreakable. Okay. You know what I'm saying? That when he get punched, he don't feel it. And when he punch somebody else, then he break them. Okay, here's a, and the elephant is in the room. So I definitely gotta ask you about this, like coming out the other night, when me and my wife, we was over in my partner house watching this fight, and when we was over there, when he comes out, I'm looking at his face and I'm looking at just his posture. And I was like, I was like, oh, you know, I'm trying to figure this, what I'm seeing out. And then when he get in the ring, I'm looking at him, but I'm still saying he don't look like the Earl Spence to me. And this was before. And that's crazy because he and I wasn't sitting together. We were sitting, I'm sitting with the girls, I'm sitting with the guys. And we both felt the same exact way cause when we saw him, before he started fighting, I'm like, that don't look like the same Earl Spence like we normally see. No, no, no, let me stop. Cause we rookies, okay? Yeah.  No, no, no. Listen.  Hold on, I'm gonna show you something real quick. Let me show you something. This is, this is, this ain't no impromptu, right? Hold on. Now, what did he fight on? He fought on Saturday, 29th. 29th, right? Now, hold on. I want you to see something real quick. What's that date say? Hold on. What did that date say? Let's say the 20th. The 20th, what the, this is a woman. This is not a man. That's a woman. What's she say? Earl need, let me see. Hold on, what's she say? Right this time. Right this time. This is a woman. Earl, Earl, from what I see, Earl need you for his strength because he is not as ripped up as he used to be when you trained him. Okay, bye. And that's on the 20th. That's on the 20th. That's on the 20th. And that's somebody around.  So she knows what she's talking about. So she's a trainer. You trained her. I trained her. And I got so many calls about. Before the fight. Oh wait, before. I can show you way more receipts on people that was like, yo, we don't, like he ain't looking the same, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You know what I'm saying? So me, I've seen a lot of things before the fight that I didn't like. You know what I'm saying? Okay. But I never spoke on it publicly because if I say something, Blue Ray will hate him.  Because he not training with you. How long ago did you stop training him? Well, I trained him for the packy I fight. Okay. So that wasn't, that wasn't far. Yeah, that was like two fights before this one. So like. Remember, it's I had messed up. It's I had messed up. So six months ago you stopped training? No, no, no, no. All right. Maybe about two years. Two years. Okay, that's what I'm trying to say. So like I said, so I trained him 11 fights. Then I went three without him. Then he brought me back for packy out. Then he went two without me. Okay. So why did he stop? I have no, no, listen. I don't mind talking about it. I have no idea. Everybody, I've been since the day, the fight, the first fight, the Michael Garcia fight, he didn't use me. I have been getting DMs, email since, since 2018, 19, whenever you find Michael Garcia, people asking, wondering why, what matter of fact, I did a video on YouTube. Nothing ever happened. I was just over his house for the, for the Super Bowl. We kicked it, watched the Super Bowl together. All that. Okay.  It was, I guess it was just a business decision on his end. Like he just chose not to train with it. Okay. But when you seen him come out, that's the question I had with you that night. What did you think?  No, no, I don't mind. When I seen him, I just felt like he wasn't conditioned. That's what I felt like. Before you even took one punch. No, for sure. Because I seen it in the, in the, in the, what's that? The, the media workout. I just felt. Oh, yo, yo, yo, yo. Yeah. I felt like he's by the one condition. And that's just my personal opinion.  I ain't watching in detail, but when he got hit, even in the first round, it seemed like, oh, when he hit, it didn't seem like it was the same, you know, the effectiveness was not there. Yeah. Am I tripping? Or did you see the same thing? No, of course. The world seen it. No, I'm just saying, cause I'm, I don't, I don't try not to be no professional, but I watched a little bit. But, but. I'm not like you though. But certain things are obvious. That's what they say. Yeah, it was obvious. So he, when he hit, it didn't seem like it had no effect. And when he got hit, it seemed like it was very effective. Okay.  That's how it looked to me. Yeah. Until I saw the replay and I was like, oh, he did get hit. But that's how it looked to me. It looked like he was not, you know, the stands wasn't good, the structure, it just didn't look right to me. So that's why I felt like, okay, did he go partying the night before? Did he have a hangover? Well, you know, what's the name? Mike Tyson gave him some little pack. I don't know what Mike was trying to do. Maybe Mike was trying to help Bud, but he gave him, when he went to that podcast, a little value pack, and you know, he over there getting high every day. So I don't know, but it- Well, I don't, me, well, I don't, well, like I say, I haven't been in the camp in a while. So you don't know certain things? I hadn't been around him in a while. You know what I mean? Cause when I was trying to him, we was together all the time. All day. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? But when you seen that, being that you tied to him, it- I heard it. Like everybody else. Bro, my little boy right here, bro. Let me tell you something. My little boy, I didn't even know he watched it. My little boy got YouTube on his phone. My little boy came to me and said, right, he right here, bro. He came to me. Cause I had used that at his mama house when the fight came on. So, you know, I went and watched the fight. And so in my head, I was like, now I'm glad my little boy didn't see it. And bro, I put my right hand to God, bro. He came to me. He said, daddy, why uncle?  He said, why uncle EJ didn't train with you? He was like, cause daddy, he don't look the same. This is an eight year old saying this. He was like, daddy, I can't ever watch that again. Bro, that broke my heart, bro.  Cause he could have had two, couldn't he? Yeah, for sure. Of course. You don't have to just have one. Yeah, no, no. He could have worked with me and another strength condition coach. I don't have an issue with that. As long as, in my opinion, as long as they doing the things that are necessary to benefit his body and to, to make sure that he's at optimum shape. Yeah, for sure. Whoa. Because everybody don't know what they're doing. Just because you got a big name, don't mean you know what you're doing. Correct. Not fast. Do you think that, like you've done a lot of training, man. And your training is very extensive. Do you think it's just was something that he just, was it unbearable at this time? Did you keep going? Did you pressure him so much to where he's like, man, let me get with somebody else who might know how to do it in a way to where it's not too much pressure. Cause you might be over there putting that real pressure down. Well. You're growing every time. Like you excel like this time we're gonna do 35. You, this time we're gonna do 25. So man, so what happened was like, when I first started trying to Earl, we'll kind of go back to what we was talking about earlier. I started studying Bruce Lee. Okay. So I tried, I studied, I studied, I studied Bruce Lee and my mentor, Beast, right? Beast, and then another guy from a crew called a Barbarian named Devon Sosa. They call himself Zach of Valley. Like these two of the strongest dudes in the world. This is documented, right? They like my brothers.  And then I was studying Bruce Lee. So they gave me some advice and what I studied from Bruce Lee and what I did, well I took all the information that they gave me, whipped it up and boom, and started trying to Earl a certain type of way. So me and Earl, what we would do was I go to work out, we would do 700 push ups and for our warm up. Before he worked out, we would do 700, and I worked out with Earl. So when I trained him, I worked out with him. So I wasn't sitting there standing on the sidelines looking. No, I worked out with him to push him. You know what I'm saying? Cause to work out with me, you gotta be in shape shape. 700 push ups. Yeah. And then that was just to get. No, that's the warm up. That's the warm up. Then we started working out. Man, like. And we did that like three days a week. When you seen it, cause you watch boxing, I'm going back to the fight cause that's the big elephant for me in the room. Like when you seen the skill set of Terrence Crawford, was it something that you didn't expect? Or did you expect him to play the role he played? For us to win the boxing? Listen, you know how many people I had to sell? I lost money. But I'm saying you knew that the skill set, you don't want to fight. But I feel like Earl was a better fighter, a better skill set and everything. And why I put money on Earl, I thought he had the better skill set in my opinion. That's why I bet it on him. Even though you knew you weren't training him, I still bet it on him. He's my brother. I love him to death. Let me tell you something. I'm not finna put no money on nobody but Earl Spitz. Let me tell you something. You remind me of the Rocky when Rocky didn't go with Creed, you know? Yeah, yeah. And he was at the house, you know, when he... No, he was at his restaurant. Yeah. Watching the fight. Yeah, you didn't go to the fight, did you? No. See what I'm saying? Did you have to turn the TV off after a while? I couldn't watch it. See what I'm saying? Just like you did. Just like you did. A lot of people probably capped him, bro. Oh my, bro, I almost cried, bro. It hurt a lot of people. I didn't hurt watching it, bro.  It did. I would never watch that fight again ever in my life, bro. I don't want to see it.  I don't even like going on Instagram. It's all the memes that put up against him. I don't want to see none of that. I really like mad, bro. Did you think? That's like, you know, and I ain't trying to, you know, I salute the men of them. I'm not the FOI, but like, I seen Farrakhan talk about it. But the thing about it was when I, when I seen the clip, when Farrakhan was talking about it, the people in the audience was laughing. I didn't, I didn't find that funny. But you know what I'm saying? Wait a minute. What did Farrakhan say? No, Farrakhan just said it was, it was hard to watch the fight. You know what I'm saying? And then he said, Earl Spence needs a friend. And when he said that, everybody started laughing. And I like, ain't nothing funny about it. He didn't mean it. No, no, no. It's not that. No, that's not, I'm not saying he meant it. No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. No, I know that, I'm talking for them to be laughing. I think they took it in the wrong way of how he really meant it. No, for sure. But at the, even, but even in that regard, I feel like it wasn't funny on no level. Right. Even if you did, even if you did mean it in a laughable way, that wasn't funny. But what about all the memes? You know, there's so many. That's why you stay out there. I can't. I mean, everywhere. The Michael Jordan meme was, was one when he cried that time and it was on everything. They, they, they got the morning meme with Earl Spence face beside it. They playing games on that internet, man. No, I see it. I can't listen. But that's social media the way how it is today. Yeah, but I'm talking to him like he said, affected him like. No, it's not. And I know it affects people because they love it. And that's all right. And that like Ryan Water said, dad was turning it back on Earl. That ain't true. Ryan Water came on here. But that's not true. But that's not true. That's not true, bro. He say everybody. No, that's not. That's what they do. Hold on, hold on, listen. People are laughing. That's a fact. Because Ryan Water said people are laughing on internet. That is a fact. But bro, I was just on the phone with my brother yesterday. Not Earl, but somebody would be with him every day. And in the background, Earl was in the background, everybody asking to take pictures with him. Saying, what's up champ? I heard him on the phone. You see what I'm saying? And then all the people that rock with him in real life, bro, listen, bro, Earl ain't trying with me. And people think it's an issue. Ain't no issue with me. That's my brother. It's like me and my brother brother have situations where we don't, we go at time and we don't talk to each other. But he's still my brother. Like I said, we watch the Super Bowl together. He called me. We stayed 10 minutes from each other. I'm gonna pull up. It ain't no question. So the real ain't turned their back on him. You know what I'm saying? But even whenever he said that, I don't know if you watched the whole thing, but I even said to him. Not even watched the whole thing. But I even said to him after he said that, I said not everybody because you have a lot of people who still, I saw personally on Instagram, on Facebook, stuff like that, who say everybody had their ups and downs, but we rocking with you regardless. Just like, and he related him to the Cowboys. And I'm like, shoot, Cowboys is America's team. And as much as they keep losing, you know what I mean? Everybody still loves them more than us. Jeremy Jones was at that boxing match. No, I know, I know. He was there? Yeah, he was there. Listen, let me. My body was sitting by, I know. Yeah, and you know, and he rocked with Earl. You know, that's why he was there. Yeah. I just, man, okay. December coming up. In your mind, is that too soon? Or is that the right time for them to do this next fight? Earl said he wouldn't want to do it in December. Earl Adonis, bro, Earl like that, bro. Like, straight up. He like that. Now, you want my personal opinion? Yeah. My personal opinion, I feel like my bro should go beat up Keith Thurman. This is my personal opinion. I feel like, hey. That's practice. Off it up. Say, fam. We still locked in. Boom, just give me, let me go get Keith Thurman real quick. Cause he on the internet doing all this woofing. Cause I lost. But when I was, when I was trying to Earl, Keith Thurman didn't want no parts of him. Keith Thurman didn't even know his name. You can go on YouTube. Keith Thurman had a million and one excuses. So bad, I lost his fight. Say, bro, let us stay locked in for that fight. Just let me go beat up on Keith Thurman real quick and let's run it back. That's how I want, that's what I want Earl to do. But I'm not Earl, Earl a dog. I believe Earl gonna go straight into it. I don't want him to.  It's a contract. No, no, no. It's a contract in place. It's a contract in place. No, I get it. Two things. Cause we skipped over this. I'm not sure if you ask this question. But when Earl lost all his weight and to fight this fight, do you think that that impacted the way in which he fought because he lost it so quick? I believe that the weight cut did have an issue with the, you know, because, you know, from my understanding, some things didn't go right in camp and stuff like that. So we're not making new excuses. But it's a fact that something transpired in camp and that he had to lose the weight, a certain weight because something happened. You know what I'm saying? So I do believe that affected him. But like Earl said, I'm from the old rock. I'm not making new excuses. And even if I had one, I'm not gonna tell you what it was. You're right. And I see that with him too. And then the next question, do you feel like, cause I hear people keep saying the wreck still impact him? I hear people saying that too. Do you feel, you knew him after the wreck. And before the wreck. And before the wreck and you were training with him even then. Do you feel like that wreck still affects him today? Not just mentally. I'm talking physically. So I'm gonna say this, I trained him for the Pacquiao fight that was after the wreck, right? Cause Earl daddy called me to train him for Danny Garcia. But for some reason it never worked out. But when he got the Danny fight, okay, boom, we rocked in. And from what I see in the, when I try him for Pacquiao, with nothing wrong with him. Scratch business. It was just like he was. From a physical standpoint, he was, from a physical standpoint, he was ready. Just like he was before. And I'm gonna tell you something. I believe this is my personal opinion. What was that? I feel like that. I feel like that it was God stepped in. Yeah. I believe it was God saving Manny Pacquiao from Earl. That's what I honestly believe. Really? Nah, that's what I believe.  No cap. So he didn't want, God didn't want that to be seen. Didn't want his legs to be seen. I'm listening. Listen, so. You believe that Pacquiao was, that Earl was gonna kill Pacquiao when he come down. To totally destroy. I mean, basically control the fight. Maybe even knock him out. Nah, he was gonna stop him for sure. Knock him out for sure. Because, see, the Manny Pacquiao fight, that was the first fight I ever trained him with weights. You know training with weights with any other fight. No. No, no, no. Everything is body weight. Body weight. We did all body weight training. So why did you see that? He was that monstrous with body weight training. Why did you feel like it was important to do weights with this fight? Well, I always wanted to train him with weights. He just wouldn't let me. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of boxers think in their mind that if you use weights, that it's gonna slow them down. But it depends. A lot of trainers don't know what they're doing. You know what I'm saying? But I know what I'm doing. So that fight here allowed me to use weight. Now we didn't use heavy weights. Now don't get it twisted. But we did use, you know, to resist the training with weights for that particular fight. And I just believed. And I didn't lie as a trainer. I was like, this is because I finally got the, because he was gonna have a power that y'all never seen. You know what I'm saying? Because all that was before that as dominant, he was, that was what calisthenics. Now I get to really, really, he let the guy, Earl was like, trust me a little bit more and let the reins off. You know what I'm saying? So I finally got to use weights. That was my first fight. Like, man, I can't wait to see how Earl gonna be.  Now, when you think about weights though, because you're a trainer, people who do anything with weights take the chance of getting injured as well. Yeah, compared to, if you don't know what you're doing. Right, compared to just doing body weight, you don't really get injured doing body weight. No, thanks. Totally agree. So that's another thing, and that's his career. No, I totally agree.  And he finally said, I ain't big. But you know what I'm saying? But like I said, I had the situation. It was unfortunate, but you know. Do you think that after that, you didn't train him after the eye thing? Or did you train him? No, no, no. I didn't train him for Uggas. After the eye thing. He wasn't somebody else. And I said, you didn't train him. Yeah, he wasn't somebody else for this fight too, so. Okay, so what did you see when it come down to the way he moved around in the ring far as after his eye training? Because like I said, you've seen him from a perspective of you knew how he fought. You watched how he moved. You watched how his conditioning was. Make me understand how you felt about it. Cause you was watching. If that red knew everything had healed properly. Well, he looked good to me. Like the Uggas fight, he looked good. You know what I'm saying? I don't think he was as strong as he was when I worked with him. But you know, but you know, he looked good to me. Like I didn't see anything wrong neurologically. Like what these this doctor on the internet saying and people are trying to say. And then I'm not a doctor. So I'm not even finna diagnosed. And I believe that Earl will have, you know, his dad loves him, his mom loves him. I think that it will be smart for him. He has the means to be able to go get the top people to analyze him to make sure that everything is right neurologically. And then, you know, there's certain tests that you have to pass going into a to a fight. So I would pray that, you know, that everything was done right. Nobody was paid off. And if something was wrong, that they would allow him to continue to fight. But I don't, I think Earl was smart enough to use his resources to be able to make sure that he's 100% because this is his life. You know what I'm saying? He got to take care of his kids. You got to have life after boxing.  When that car started flipping, I seen that car. He even said that his tooth, he had to get it too. Cause he says he thought his teeth that came out when he was put at the partial end in the fight, you know, in the other fight where he almost way stumbled cause he, and he smiled. He thought he said, man, I thought my teeth it came out.  This is not a normal wreck. We know that to throw out of a car, moving and flipping like that car will flip. Like, but to see him come back and then when that fight was big for me, you know what I mean? Yeah, you look good. You look good, you look good, you know. But to see him the other night and to see him the way he was maneuvering around the ring after the fight took off and he got hit with a few blows from Terrence, made me think about New Orleans, the damage, the neurological damage. Because you don't know, but I heard Crawford say after the match, I hit him, I was hitting him in his ear to throw off his equilibrium. Yeah. You heard him say that. No, I didn't hear him say that. Okay, I heard him. Bro, I was done with that fight. When I say I was done, I didn't watch the post, nothing. Yeah, I heard him say that. Going into this fight, do you think this next fight, do you even have a chance to win this fight? I believe he has a chance for sure. I believe he has a chance if he- Well, you put some money on it. No, I'm not putting no money on it. Oh, that boy got hurt last time. There it is. Yeah, he ain't gonna put no money on it. No, listen. I don't work with him. I'm not putting no money on it. You put money on it before? I did, because I got faith in him. But now you feel like it's a little bit more straight in the track. No, I still got faith in Earl, but I just believe that, like I said, I seen some of that all access, I seen some of the preparation, and me personally, I didn't like the preparation, but I had already made my best before I seen the preparation. So I was already locked in. And you got all those texts. Exactly, I was already locked in on the fight. When the fight was made, I made my best. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So you're talking about the way in which Earl was fighting and stuff like that, or the different stipulations that the Boxing Federation have where you can't just go into a fight any and anyhow. Is there an option where, if the boxer signs a waiver, like he takes all responsibility, like nothing falls on them? Would they allow something like that? That's not even like, that's not even the thing in the Boxing. Okay, I didn't know. That's not even the thing in Boxing. Okay, I was just curious. Like I say, everything is done by the people that put it together. You know what I mean? They got all the doctors and how they handle their situation, which I'm not privy to that information, but there is a process and a protocol on even getting a fight sanctioned. You know what I mean? To even get a fight approved. Like they're not gonna take somebody that's 39 and old and let them fight somebody that's zero and one. Right, right, right, right. They won't even approve that. You know what I'm saying?  Wow, so you, like I said, you went on the internet to clear the air the other day. Man, I don't know why people think me and Earl got something. You know, it ain't nothing, we ain't had no issues whatsoever, and I get it, but no excuses, no reasoning, just I'm not working with you no more. Basically, and now you standing on outside looking in, you guys be around each other. You don't ever have, you never asked him? I've never asked him. You know, of course it be in my mind, like I would be lying if I am not being real if I don't wonder why. I've always wondered why, because I feel like, you know, we had like, I feel like I was sugar, I was a sugar to the Kool-Aid, you know what I'm saying? Outside of that, then we had a personal relationship. So, you know. Was it his total decision, or is it like the organization? I have, I have for you. You know what I mean? I have. It might not just be his decision. Listen, people been asking me this for years, and I always say, y'all gotta go talk to EJ. Y'all gotta talk to Earl. I'm not the one, because if he want me to train him, you know what I'm gonna do, I'm pulling up.  Right. That you have shown so much success with him over all of the different... People you've dealt with. Right. Facts. Like, why wouldn't he pull for you more than anybody else? That's the part that is baffling to me. Listen, I don't, listen, to this day, I'm trying to tell you, I have no idea. You don't know what you done wrong. You don't know what you done wrong. Well, I didn't do nothing wrong. Why you don't know what you done wrong? How you gonna do something when they did nothing, you done something wrong. Listen, how you gonna do something wrong when y'all undefeated together? Right. Y'all never lost together. The world sees how strong and how powerful he was when me and him worked together. Make it make sense. You and him undefeated together. You've never, he's never lost a fight, of course dealing with you. Go look at the face. Damn. I'm upset, you know, cause I would have loved to see your conditioning and him in the ring with Bud Kroc. And then you gotta think about it. Like I said, bro, when all the fights that I tried him, we didn't use weights, you know what I mean? And I never had a hundred percent of control of what we done while we was training. So I was handicapped while I was training him and we still got those results. No try, I don't believe you. Another training in this world could have certain exercises that you're allowed to do and can't do. And you still gonna get those results training somebody. Wow.  And maybe not on your part, but the team, somebody said something, you know what I mean? I wanna ask you more questions, but... I gotta question. Hold on, let me just get back in here and ask a question, you don't wait. Listen, let me tell you something. Anybody that know, listen, anybody that know Traylon Curry, they'll tell you, I'm a real, I'm solid, man. I'm from the street, I'm not from no fitness. That's where I come from. Anybody put my name on something, they gon' tell you, no, he don't hunt, he's solid. So you know already, wasn't that? You was straight up and down on your side on every part. Listen, man, listen, listen, earl, earl, earl, no. Anytime he need me, I pull up.  Yeah, of course I'm pulling up. It's not even a question. We don't went out hunting together. Come on, man, I'm a soldier, bro. No, okay. Like real talk. All right, and I get it, man, but you know, Derek James, his coach, a lot of people are saying, you know, he was saying that he had to fly out to London the next day. A lot of people saying that he, you know, he spread itself too thin, you know, now that this loss has happened, you know how that Naysay, he got too many other things that he focusing on outside of Earl Spence, Jr. What do you say to that? I mean, do you feel the same way or do you feel like his total focus is as it's always been? I don't have a comment about that. No comment. I can, people, y'all, he won't, he won't, you know, I love this part. You know what, no comment. No comment. Oh, man.  Have there been other people who reached out to you to train them? Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.  Oh, no, I'm talking to that level that he's got. No, no, no, no, no. Well, no, no, not on Earl level. No, no, no. Is it something that you wouldn't take because of the relationship with you and Earl that you wouldn't even take it? For sure. You see what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's certain people I won't train because of Earl for sure.  Like, even if me and Earl never train again another day, it's just certain people I wouldn't deal with. You wouldn't do it. Because I'm a lawyer to a fault. No, and I agree with that. I'm built like that. I agree with that so much.  I enjoy it, man.  Building up the momentum to say, we're going in here to do this or that. Big extra plug comes out. The music is off just a little bit, as I keep saying. To me, Earl didn't look the way he normally looked for me. Yeah.  Yeah, he did. He got a damn fishnet on his own.  And before he got in that ring, he prayed. I said, watch this man pray, take his time and pray. I said, listen, bro, I'm going to be honest with you. You watched this fight. You seen that pull. I seen him when I seen Bud say, Jesus Christ openly brought, I'm going to keep it a hundred. I had a new respect for him. You see what I'm saying? Because I'm believing Jesus Christ hands down. You see what I'm saying? And I see him give props to Jesus Christ like that, openly in front of the world. I was, I was like, I respect that. We know people ain't going to do that, man. I respect that. Now I'm keeping it a hundred. I respect that for sure. But I believe that everything happens for a reason. And that's the same thing I said in my last interview. You know, yes, everybody's upset of him having a loss and what he has to go through. But we all have to go through things so we can get better. Yeah, for sure. So we can be who God intended us to be. You understand what I mean? I totally agree. Do you have a game plan? If Earl Spence was to call you, Earl Spence Jr. called you right now and say, we got to go to work. I gotta be ready by December. Could you put a game plan together to make him the most ready to go fighter that you have ever seen within under six months of a five-month period? You see what I'm saying? You gonna disrespect me like that? I'm just asking you, man. The people are going to know. We need to hear it come out your mouth. Listen, men lie, women lie. Numbers don't. Numbers don't lie. Of course I can get them in. Listen, that's what I do. That's who I am. Listen, I work out like I'm for the boxers.  And I'm 42 years old. What time would be too short, though? That's what I do. You can seem like you can owe. That's a lot of time. Listen, all thing we're gonna do is go back to what we was doing the first time and get his body conditioned and acclimated to that type of conditioning. That's all we gotta do. But it takes time, though. It don't take no time. When you're consistent. I wanna ask you another question. This time they fought at 147. Next time they fight at 454. Yes, sir. What is, from your perspective, what is the big, you know, what is different that you have to look at at a 147 Earl Spence, Jr. versus a 154 Earl Spence? In what regard? As far as the way he, the training, the way he's gonna be for us. Boxing wise? Boxing wise, you know, going into the situation. As, and so. In your opinion, this is an opinion. So, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. So, if I was training him, I wouldn't change the recipe. It would be the same thing. Same thing. It would be the same thing because like my mentors, when they train me, like my mentor, Beast, he was six, two, two, 20. He doing like 50 pull-ups in a row. 50. 50. 50.  You condition the body. It's like, if somebody run a marathon, you can condition your body to do whatever you want it to do.  You say, when you use whatever, I don't know you say if you was down, but you say you was doing a thousand push-ups. You didn't go in doing that. No, no, no, no. You condition your body. And I'm pretty sure you seen big dudes. Doing the same thing. So it's just a matter of conditioning. 1500 sit-ups every day. Exactly. It's a matter of conditioning where you're 147, 154, 160, 168. You got to condition the body.  I can't wait to see, you know, what you doing with the next fighter. I know you ain't stopping. We gotta, you got some young fighters coming up and I'm hearing about them. I ain't seen them. Jarvis threw some names at me. You know, some people that shot out to my, got marvelous Jarvis, the hardest nigga on the internet. The nigga have a show to go. Go watch marvelous Jarvis with anyone. Jarvis, he cool people. So like, who, do you feel like it's some more talent here in Dallas? Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. You got Alex Holly, he under Earl. He over there with Earl, you know. Is he next up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, he coming up, man.  Alex Holly, yeah. His name Lex, underscored 100. Oh, Instagram. Yeah, and then you got Tyson McGriff. Okay. He like 15 years old. He over there at the Dungerville Boxing Academy. You got some. At the Dungerville Fieldhouse. Yeah, now he gonna be nasty. Yeah, for sure. He gonna be nasty. Are you working with any of these guys? I'm working with both of them. That's all, that's all. I'm working with both of them. Yeah, they gonna be nasty, man. For sure. When I got a good kid out of Louisiana, we called him a little EJ. Like, he a Earl Spence from that. Really? He a monster, bro. I'm like, dog. Love it. Oh, he gonna be nasty. Yeah, so. Man, I love that, man. Cause that's what I always say when you have this type of talent go through the city like that. We should see some fruits of the labor. You should see some things popping up around the situation. And that's what you're expressing. And I think that's hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just gotta stay, the thing about a manager, they just gotta stay disciplined, bro. That's the main thing, you know what I mean? Cause, you know, when you get notoriety, you get money, you know what I'm saying? That's the humble. You know, it's up to them if they continue the path and to be great, you know what I'm saying? And so, you know, you start giving young kids money, man. You know what I'm saying? If you're not grounded, man, that money will take you over for sure. So, you're training all three of these guys. How old are they all? Typically about the same age? How old are they? No, Alice is like 2021. Tyson is 15 and EJ is 12, I think. Okay, cause I was just wondering, cause I'm like, if you train some guys that are around the same age and say they eventually have to fight each other, how does that work?  So, you're trying not to train people that are about the same? Well, like right now where I'm at in my life, I say I really only deal with professionals.  You want me to train their kids?  Get by five, 10 and no, then it'll be worth my time, you know what I'm saying?  So, and the people I'm locked in with, I'm locked in with cause it ain't about money. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, and then I can't spread myself then. So, you know, that's what it is right now. Can we go back to Earl Spence for a second? Yes, sir. Like people, you know, after the fight, a lot of people say, man, man, Crawford gave him his belts back. I believe it's the thing where they order them new belts. Yeah, they do, they do, yeah.  Like, what is the process that you know it to be for? Is when they, like with him losing the belts, now he get to keep them just for like, like trophies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's how it is. That's how it is. And I, and I, and I, man, that, bruh, I, bruh, like, I heard of my brother, I love him to death. But bro, turns Crawford, when he did that, bruh, I had a newfound respect for that man, bruh. Wow. So you ain't, I ain't never seen it. Yeah, yeah. I've never seen a man do that, bruh. You know what I'm saying? To do that openly like that? Right, bruh. The dude, I'm gonna be honest with you, Crawford, very impressive to me. I've been watching him ever since people been comparing him to Earl, six kids, a wife. You know, she's just normal, just like me and my wife. No, for sure. Yeah, he not, he, he not Hollywood. Not, not, not, not out here flashed. Yeah, bruh, bruh, I, listen, after rain, bruh, I respect that dude, bruh, cause that dude like, you know what I mean? Like, like, bruh, he impressive, bruh. Cause to be able to have that type of money, bruh, and to still stay grounded, bruh, you don't smoke, you don't drink, you don't hang around, like all you do is hang around other fighters. You know what I mean? From, from, you know, it ain't a blemish on your name out here, bruh. That's impressive. And that's just keeping it a buck. A lot of people alluded to the fact of Earl in the drinking situation too. They, that's one of the things that they've brought up to me when I would ask him about this fight.  He can go in them heels. Ain't no distractions, you know what I'm saying?  You know, I've seen all these different things all this time. I didn't see no reason why I should stop. You know what I mean? But I also knew that he was very athletic, but Crawford, he could change, switch hit, all those different things. We knew this going into this fight. We knew it. And I don't know, do you think that Earl might've underestimated or tried to fight the fight that he was preparing for when it was a year ago? To be honest with you, I don't know yet. That's something you have to ask him about. That's a mental state. You know what I mean? That's something you gotta ask him about. I wouldn't have that answer, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people do a lot of speculation but you know, on certain things I just don't say or ever say because I'm not Earl. You know what I mean? That's not real. It's like, I can train Earl to be the strongest person. I can take another person and train him, but they don't have Earl's skill set. They don't mean I'ma get the same result. That's why I pick and choose who I train. I'm not just training anybody because I want to be successful and I understand you have to have a certain type of skill set, certain type of mentality to be the best in the world. And let me say this. Even with whatever hiccups Earl done had to still make it to where he made it in boxing is still, you know what I mean? It's next level because some people box, don't drink, don't smoke and they never made it to Earl level. Yeah, yeah. You're right. I'd be watching this guy, Hassan Campbell, right? He talks about, he's talking about right now the text message that was sent out by, cause we talking about how noble Crawford was, but it was a text message sent out to Walo. Yeah, I seen it. Yeah, I seen it. And it seemed like it was a little bit, and it could have been just him just messing with him, just having a good time. Yeah, but he shouldn't have posted it though. Who shouldn't have posted it? Walo. Walo. Yeah. Walo was locked up for years real stumped down. He'd been 22 years of locked up, or over 20 years of locked up. He should know whether something's gonna be, but maybe they just was playing. I don't know, I didn't read the text. But boss, but of course you play, but you don't post screenshots on the internet. That's a female trait. Oh yeah, I've never done that in my life. That's a female trait. We're not doing that, bro. Yeah, unless you tell me here on the show, put it up when I talk, it ain't coming for me. Now, now the thing about it is that, now if you had a op of somebody you had a discord with, I can understand that transpiring. But you dealing with somebody you supposed to be cool with. Yeah. We're not posting that stuff on the internet. But I think Earl went on a show too, didn't he? Yes, he did. He went on a show as well. Yes, he did, yeah. And I think Bud kind of rebutted the fact that why would you even post that, man? That would probably be between me and you. Nah, I would think so. I don't know, was it just saying that he, it was some leading, I mean. Well, it didn't say, well, true we told from what I said, he didn't say nothing incriminating anything bad, but it's just the fact that you're posting on our screen shots, we don't, come on, bro. That's just like me and you, just me and we get cool. And then we start posting our personal conversation. That ain't nobody been. Yeah, this blogging and this interview thing is going to another level with the winning come down to trying to, I don't know what you get from that. I always like Walo. I've never seen him. He's never done that before though, have he? Clicks like some views. But I do this, but I ain't just putting none out. Yeah, but your character different. I get it. I ain't never just, you gotta tell me, I got so many things. How many people call me and be like, you can call me out and be like, I don't want you to put that part out. I'm like, man, take that. You ain't got to put none of it out. I'm throwing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you, I got you. See, I'm the type, bro, I'm not gonna say nothing that I can't say in somebody's face. That's real. Period, bro. I'm not, bro, I'm like this. Some people get so hyped in the discussion because of the atmosphere and the way how we talk that after they think about it, they're like, you know what I should not get said that, it's just, you know, it just came out. Or some people feel like I don't want to hurt this person feeling, so I'm not gonna say that. No, I respect it, you know what I mean? But this is the thing. We're gonna, like, when the camera's on, we're gonna have a certain conversation. When the camera's on, we're gonna have a certain conversation. Exactly, exactly. You know what I'm saying? That's what we always do. So as long as these cameras is on, you ain't ever got to worry about me saying anything. Exactly. But it ain't don't come back in your own way. It ain't even about that, because I'm the type of person, bro, I'm not gonna say nothing behind your back. I can't say to your face because I'm like that. Because if any of a person out here to defend themselves is speaking on them, that's real. You're trained on this. Some people are not trained. They don't watch it. They need A&R, they need... Right, oh, they don't watch interviews when you learn of how people do this. But I do podcast, so... Yeah, you know I already look up with it. Yeah, for sure. So you did do a podcast and... I had Earl on my time. We did, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't come on Boss Talk. Shout out to Earl Spencer. He ain't never been on my show. I done reached out to a lot of people. Bro, I'm probably... Let me say this, bro.   Nah, I was just kidding. Now I'm gonna say I was the first person you ever did a podcast with, friend. Really? I was on it. I think we probably went like an hour, 30 minutes talking about relationship, all types of stuff. But then we're back in the day, though. But that's still hard. That's what I wanted to do. Yeah, I'm jealous. You shouldn't even brought that up. This interview feel to be awful. Nah, I was just kidding. But I really like showing love to the city. I done reached out to a few of them that you don't get them all.  I won't be worried about all that other stuff. Yeah. You know, it's just dope to get the link in with people like you and Black. Like, I seen Black try to come under your conditioning. I mean, how was his... How was his... Were you training him? Wait a minute.  It's on the internet. Yeah, I know. You can pull it off. How was it, though? From your perspective. So, so, so. Black fight fan is the reason people know me. That's hard, man. I was training Earl. I wasn't going to the fights. I was minding my own business. I come in, training Earl, going by my business. Nobody in the... Nobody. The only people who knew I was training Earl was people that was in the circle and people that knew outside of that. I never told nobody I was training Earl's business. And my family knew I was working with him. You know what I'm saying? And so Black fight fan, I don't know how he found out. That's my boy, man. I don't know how he found out. He hit me up one day. Man, you Earl's been strengthening his car. Like, yeah, like, what's up? He was like, I want to come work out with you. Now... I love you. I took that challenge on because I like to show people that I'm the best at it. Like, you can't hang with me working out. Period. I don't think nobody can, right?  He couldn't deal with it, could he? He didn't get out of my... He like, I ain't... Man, listen. Listen, there's no cap. Cause it takes me an hour to warm up. Ooh. Like, if I work out... How long do you work out for? As long as I can go the whole, like, as long as I want. Like, two, three years. As long as somebody challenges me, I mean, we going to get it in. As long as you're working out for. Just going, going. Probably like four, five hours. That's hard, man. But that was not, this was when I was in New York. Okay, when you... Yeah, when I was in New York at Wingate Park, after trying to do some of the best in the world. Let me go back. You tough on people, man. Everybody can't work no five, six hours digging, running, running. He don't train at people that long. No, no, no, no, no, no. You tough on people for that hour. When you go in there with him, he gonna put you to work. Nah, but just so like, now Black man, we had, did the warm up and I said, bro, he cut that out too. He edited it. I swear he edited it. He edited it, you know what I'm saying? So he warmed up for an hour. No, I had to, no, we did the workout, but that was the warm up. Oh, oh. So when I told him, I said, I say, I say, now it's time to work. He was like, no, I gotta go. I gotta go, I gotta go work, man. I don't blame him. I left him up there too, boy. But I ain't lying. It's impressive for Black to be 200 something pound, man. He been losing weight lately. He was doing what he was doing, for real though. To be doing pull ups and, cause I think we did like a hundred something pull ups, you know what I mean? That's hard.  How long ago was that? Then we did. It was a few years back, but I'm... Nah, the video on YouTube. So we did like, we did. How long ago was that? It may have been like 2017, 18. Yeah, it was a while back. Black like 200 something pound time. Yeah, he done lost weight now. Yeah, he lost weight now. 230, 240 at the time. So now he could do a lot more. So he did, so yeah, so we did a hundred pull ups, a hundred dips, a hundred push ups. And a hundred squats. And we did another 150 push ups, but it was like a extreme way we did it. Like, I don't know if you, you seen the video when we was down on the ground doing the start diamond? That's a whole nother level, right? Yeah, yeah, y'all throw it. So we did that like three times. And then I was like, yeah, it's time to start working. And he was like, nah, bro, I gotta go. And I said, I said, nah, don't want to smoke, man, I'm like, let's get through it. Man, I think that's dope, man. God didn't gift you with a gift to help people, man, through, you know, strength and conditioning, man. Man, like I said, what do you want to take this thing to next level? Ah, man, I just like, I just like blessing people, like helping people, you know what I mean? Like, well, right now I'm coming out with a program and the program that I'm coming out with, coming out with is going to be a six week program. Okay. And so what I'm doing is because I kind of use it, I say, I've trained Earl, which is best in the world. Now it's time for me to train the world. So since I can't train everybody, I'm putting out a workout program called the foundation to strength. Okay. Because you got a lot of basketball players, a lot of football players, I've trained NFL, NBA, like my nephew just went to the NBA, Mike Miles Jr. Man, shout out. He got, he went to, he played for the Mavericks. Wow. Yeah, he got drafted, he came where he didn't get drafted, but he got picked up, you know what I mean? And now he signed the contract, he gonna be with Dallas Mavericks. So you see Mike Miles Jr. That's my cousin. That's my nephew. That's your nephew. Yeah, nephew. That's my nephew. Boy, that's it, man. Yeah, nephew, playing for Dallas Mavericks. So I can't train everybody at the same time. So I'm coming out with a program and it's going to help everybody get their foundation right. So as they're working out, they can get stronger.  So I'm working on it. And I'll be in touch with you about that. Call me. You know what I'm saying? I want to get out, I want to bring you back on the show too when you launch it. Yes, sir. And just do stuff with you, man, to help push your brain. Yeah, it's going to be a company call. Are you going to try it? Man, I do whatever, man. Don't try to run up on me. You look at them real like I'm going to try it. I just ask you, you want to try it? Yeah, I guess I will hear.  Yeah, what you talking about? And let's call me. You stay out of it. It's between you and I. It's going to be called, we're going to launch a brand called Wealthy. Man. Yeah, so it's W-H-E-A-L-T-H-Y. So it's like healthy, but you put a W on front of healthy. So and really the company is dealing with health, but they also deal with finance and teach people how to be entrepreneurs. Shout out to my brother, Jake Taylor Jacobs. That's the guy that's the owner of the bizco system. That's a whole another. It's a black, I'm going to pull you in with him, man. He's a young millionaire, man, here, local. You know what I mean? And what he does is he buys businesses and takes them to seven figures. Damn, that's old. And he teaches black people. I said, young black brother, teach people how to take a company and make seven figures. You know, he's done it several times. That's what he does. So yeah. Wow, man, like, you, what, okay. You can't talk, you're not a part of making this happen. Somebody does something like a documentary or something on you. What would you want it to be? How would you want it to look just briefly? If somebody did a documentary on me? Yes, and you weren't able to put your hand on it, but you wanted them to know this about you. What would it be? It would be that you can come from small beginnings in reference to, you know, having childhood trauma and then making it to being noticed as one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the world, you know, because God did this, this wasn't me. Wow. If it was up to me, I'd still be out there. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Top three.  Them conversations that, you know, big farmer and people don't want you to start talking about that you can naturally get rid of these things, you know what I'm saying? There's mainly a lot of how to do it, what you eat. No, for sure, diet and exercise. But in today's time, you got to be careful because so much stuff got so much stuff in it. Right. You got sugar in it. And you can't grow your own stuff. People, you don't have the time to grow your own stuff. And then, and see, but see our people, we eat to live. We don't, I mean, we don't eat to live. We live to eat. Right. And that's our issue. You know what I'm saying? And it's nothing wrong with benzene here and there, but 95, let me, 90% of what you eat should be real food at least. What are you eating? Let's just talk about today. You got up this morning, you ate breakfast maybe? I don't know. No, I haven't ate yet. But what, what are you going to eat? How's your day going to go on a good Thursday? So, so a regular day for me is watermelon. As soon as I get my yellow watermelon, make sure you got seeds in it. Do my watermelon first thing in the morning. Why? Then, huh? Why watermelon first thing in the morning? Well, because it hydrates you. Watermelon and cucumbers are the most hydrating things you can put in your body. So a lot of time we drink by the water, right?  Unless you go on boil it and then, you know, put it in a pitcher and put some lime in it to purify it and put you a little, a pinch of Himalayan sea salt for the minerals. Do it yourself. After lime, if you want alkaline water, just use lime and lemons, do it yourself. You know what I'm saying? But we've been trying how to eat so bad for so many years, but at the end of the day, we got to think about it. It was a process of just going with what we knew. Our parents did the best they could.  But as you know better, you do better. You know what I mean? So watermelon and what? So I would do watermelon. I would do three to four boiled eggs. I get my eggs from the farm. I do not get eggs out to a regular store. I get it from the farm. And then I eat broccoli sprouts and microgreens. That's breakfast. That's breakfast, yeah. How many eggs do you have? I eat about three or four. And then lunch, what? Microbeans, what is that? Microgreens, microgreens. So it would just be like, so it will be like arugula, right? You ever seen arugula? So it will be the beginning stage of arugula. So a lot of the microgreens have more nutrition than the full-grown vegetable, you know what I'm saying?  So I eat broccoli sprouts instead of the full broccoli, because the broccoli sprout has more sulforaphane in it, which is, that's a whole nother conversation, what sulforaphane does to the body, you know what I'm saying? But when you start saying these things, and I know you're posting this on YouTube, I can't say it. You see what I'm saying? That's a conversation you gotta have outside of, you know what I'm saying?  Twice a day. And that's it, and I'm done. That's it. Yeah, I don't eat nothing else. See, that's what I was gonna ask you. Do I eat that same meal twice a day? So- The watermelon too? No, no, I eat the watermelon all at once, yeah. But then, some people feel like, because I've heard before, and trainers have told me this before, you're supposed to eat every two hours to keep your metabolism. That's only if you haven't brushed your issues, like when you got diabetes and like that. If you're a regular, functioning person with no issues, in my opinion, no. So it doesn't speed up, people don't need to eat that. No, you- It doesn't speed up your metabolism. No, you don't need to, you need to drink brood green tea, if you wanna speed up your metabolism. I'm giving free game right now. Brood green tea. Green tea on a stove, brew it. And that speeds it up. That speeds up metabolism. But you gotta be consistent with it.  You gotta be- You gotta be exact, you gotta be consistent. So do the green tea with a little bit of, with a pinch of cinnamon. And what you eat twice a day? Cause I know you get a protein from your eggs. So you don't eat meat. No, I eat meat too, yeah. Pals. Okay. So, because you said you eat that twice a day, but you didn't say, okay, I- So, so, so what happened is, so what happened is, I try to, so every day I mainly eat the eggs with the broccoli sprouts and the microgreens. That's my, that's my go-to. That's your basic. That's my basic, because eggs, when it comes to protein being bioavailable to the body, eggs is the best bioavailable protein naturally that you can put aside your body and has all these things- And you eat the yolk? Exactly, for sure. Because that's where all the nutrients is inside of the yolk. Really? Mm-hmm. So- Can I take out a yolk sometime because I think people talk about- They tell my blood cholesterol, no, don't believe that. Because so what happens is, is that when people don't want you to be healthy, what they do is they put money behind certain things to put it out on the internet to make people believe it. And so now you gotta come see us because you're not getting what you need and your body's not functioning the way properly that it needs to, because you're not giving the what it needs. But the people on the back end who's funding these people is giving these people the money to say, hey, you a doctor, I need you to say this, I need you to say that.  Every day. You taking my egg yolks? I'm throwing away telling me you're making me yolk. That's what I'm all with?  Okay, so watch this. Let's go here. I do both. No, no, no. So let's go here. I mean yolk today. So watch this. So watch this. Watch this. Your hormones. Your hormones. Yeah. Your blue beetle. Yeah. Okay. It takes cholesterol to produce the hormones. Yeah. Right? Okay. So where are you getting your cholesterol from? Your good cholesterol. Where are you getting it from? I'm asking a question. Y'all could help me out. Avocado has cholesterol. Avocado is phenomenal for you. Okay. It has glutathione. Put it in your side. Eggs, for sure. Eggs.  That's why I give this. Now I do eat animal protein. I don't eat meat. I eat paws. I eat animal protein, right? But I get it from somebody that has a farm.  But when you go grocery shopping, like if I go- I only go grocery shopping at a place when they have farm-raised animal protein. I'm saying like for regular people who go to the grocery store, when I go and buy my meat, especially chicken, you can see like, okay, these are smaller. So these I know haven't been shot up. Like the ones over here look like this huge. So you can sort of- So you're not sneaking around looking at the chicken. So you can sort of, you know, spelling guess and be like, okay, this one might be a little bit more healthy for me. Because they're smaller. They look like real chicken rather than these huge- I only buy smart chicken. It's organic chicken. No, I'm giving people some game, man. I only buy smart chicken. That's what I buy. So when I go to the store- Not everybody can afford to go to the farm and go- It's not cheap. No, it's in the store. Oh, okay. It's in a specific store, though. Here in Dallas. You can't go to Kroger's and get it. Oh, no, no, no, no. See? Not everybody can do that. Nope. What about Tom? What are you saying? If you're on my mind. Whatever. Yeah, you had to go to Dunkinville. It's in Dunkinville. What store is that? Cox Forms. I got to go over to Cox Forms. Don't feed me, not nail. Don't feed me, don't you do it. How about salmon? Don't you do it. I get it from Cox Forms.  Oh, watch it. And it's way more expensive. Big guy. How about chicken taste? It's good. But it's way more expensive, too. No, it's not. Besides the price you get from the store.  Thank you so much, man. I appreciate it. I'm gonna be all right now. I'm like, all right. So, but let me say this so, but so what I do is usually, that's my normal resume, but I understand that the animal protein, especially red meat, it has a lot of beneficial things that, so I try to eat that at least once a week. I don't eat red meat. What red meat do you eat? I eat the, from the farm. I eat it from the farm. Like steak? Steak. Yeah, all that, yeah. Stake, ground beef, yeah. But I get it from only one source though. If it's not from that store, I don't buy it. So when you travel, that store is not with you, what do you get? I eat whatever, be honest. That's why I said, remember I said 90%, 85% to 90% of what you do. It's not about what you do here and there, it's about what you do the majority of the time. So if I'm on the go, like I am today, right? And cause usually I'm at the crib. You know what I'm saying? I cook a lot. I cook every day. I have my regular regimen I do, but like I say, right now, since I'm moving, I gotta get the boys something to eat. So I gotta stop somewhere, you know what I'm saying? So when I do that, I just bless my food. Like I was told, you know, my grandmother I was told and I gone by my business, but that's not what I do every day and out of time. It's like, if y'all invited me over to dinner, I'm not finna be so, I didn't want this to come from, no, I'm gonna eat it. Yeah. I think what I like about you, man, is you really said 90% of the time you try to eat the right thing. Yeah, for sure. But you don't criticize people when that 10% comes.  Yours is flip. I'm talking to my man here. 90% and 10% healthy. That's what you're doing to go and go there. I appreciate you saying that. So I'm gonna work on that. You know what I'm saying? Eat my egg yolks again. I'm going to get them from where you get yours at. Yeah. Controls. But a 10% shouldn't be a 10% every day. The 10% should be like 10% once a month, right? No, it's just whenever. No, just whenever, like so. You cook the food when you cook it at the house all the time. Yeah, I'ma say it like this. If you eat right Monday through Friday, man, do what you want to do on the weekend. See? See, he's a good guy. I like this guy right here. Yeah. Do you do protein shakes? Yes, I do. I only get it from one source and that's true nutrition. See? And he fuckin' give me a diamond. I'm givin' it out there, you know. True nutrition. But you always try to eat right. Because theirs have more natural. Exactly. And the thing about them, they're third-party tested. So they allow other people to test their product to make sure that what you're gettin' is what you're actually gettin'. And a lot of companies don't have that type of integrity. Yeah.  But then like I say, the de Soto farmers market, that's where I get my eggs from. I get my animal protein from Cox Farms. Seems like you're havin' a good time with it too. You make it fun. You know what I'm sayin'? It's somethin' like you over there cookin' and havin' a great meal. You know what I'm sayin'? Making it fun and exciting. Well, because you gotta think about it like, that's just like, if I'm in a relationship and I'm a two-in-a-one, right? If she cookin' me fast food, I mean, if she give me fast food every day, I'm gonna look at her like I say. Because my grandma raised me. Yeah. I'm used to cook food. Yeah, yeah. You know how often it be coming in, I'm herin' bags every day. Every day. To feed me. No, no, no, no. I need to understand that this was made with love. Right. That's hard, that's hard. Nah, real talk. That's the way I was grown and raised, so. Did you have a question? No, no, no, that's it. I have questions after we get done. Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, I ain't man, like I said, man, I had top three boxes of all time since you in the box and you know how we do it. Dead or Alive. Dead or Alive. Top three boxes of all time. In my opinion, it's my opinion. Your opinion? Guy performed Mayweather now. Right. Definitely. How long you wanna do? New era, all era. This is all time. Anything. All, everything. I'ma just say, I'ma say so. I'ma say four Mayweather. Uh-huh. I'ma say German color. Okay. Okay. And Benoit Hopkins. Wow, you like Benoit? Yeah, I don't like his, I know outside of the ring. Everybody don't like him. But I'm just talking about as a fighter. As a fighter. I actually like them as a fighter. Wow. Yeah, I like them as a fighter. Man, I think that's hard. How can people get a hold of you if they're trying to reach out, you know, for training and trying to get yourself together like you don't help me out today here? So the men have to hit me up at, I mean at Blu-ray Fitness, Blu-ray Fitness, B-L-U-E-R-A-Y Fitness on Instagram. You can DM me, I answer everybody. And the women, trap fitness with pretty girls. It's all one word. Trap fitness with pretty girls. So I have some for women and I have some for men. Man. Mm-hmm. Thank you so much, man. Noble, man. Like, I enjoyed this interview. Think I got something out of it. You know a lot of me, I'm not a rapper. I do need to condition my body though. Yeah. It's just health and strength. Like I always say, I want you to be healthy so you can be with us for as long as God permits. No, for sure. Yeah, no, I agree with that. But I'm gonna eat a little bit more egg yolks so a little bit more stuff gonna change around the house. I have been giving you a lot of egg yolks recently. I don't know what's going on, man. So don't start. But you gotta get the exercise now, brother. I got to, man. Exercise. He goes hand in hand. But I am. How much exercise, okay, if you're walking, how much? I would say for my brother right here, I would have him doing a hundred push-ups a day, a hundred squats a day. I don't do that so easy. A hundred squats a day. But you haven't done it in a while. I'm just saying minimum, bar minimum.  You do grass drills and stuff. Grass drills. Like when you get out of it. Like boot camp type of thing. Like burpees. Burpees, burpees. For sure, burpees. Burpees, hell, though. Yeah, I don't care what type of shape you in. You gotta do the burpees. You can be the best. So just walking is not easy.  What you saying? Burpees, I don't care. It's a full body workout. I don't care how it shapes somebody. If they say they like burp, something wrong with it. So walking is not enough. No, in my opinion, no. My personal opinion. If I be walking, that ain't enough. No, that's not enough. You need to do strength training, resistance training. Can you guys think about the older we get? Especially for me and our testosterone go down. You know what I'm saying? And the best thing for that is squats and deadlifts. You know what I mean? Then you lose bone density, everything.  But then some people feel like, okay, when I start to ache and hurt and this and that. That's a part of it. Well, you need to be putting, that's a part of it no more. And then you need to be, make sure you put the right things in your body, the anti-inflammatory that, you know, that'll help your body. Then you need to understand how to recover. Then you understand rest is good. Cause see a lot of people, what they do is they're working out. Then when they get home late on, they're on the phone all night. You need to go to sleep. Your body rejuvenates itself. It repairs itself at night. So instead of scrolling through Instagram and Facebook, while a lot of people have insomnia, you supposed to put your phone down an hour before you go to sleep anyway. Wow, boy, you something else. So a lot of people don't even have a lot of rest. And then a lot of people think, another thing is people eating too late. You see what I'm saying? So if you're eating late at night before you go to sleep, guess what your body is doing instead of repairing itself? It's digesting food. Trying to digest, yeah. And that's why a lot of people eat them for, if I'm wrong, do this.   For some reason, I can't understand this. Why do I wake up starving? I wake up and I'm gonna be hungry, but if I don't do that. You're not starving, you know. But if I don't do that, I'm not hungry. But watch this, you're not starving. What it is that you need to hydrate. Is that what it is? That's how it is. You need to hydrate. When I wake up. Can you think about it? You've been fasting all night. Just need to hydrate. That's how it is. Like me say, I drink coconut water out the coconut. I bought an actual coconut. That's God water.  I drink that at least 16 ounces every day. Got coconuts, all my people walking in, yeah. Coconut water, pop it on boom. Put it in, put it in the fridge right up. When I drink it, it's refreshed.  I grew up doing all of that because in Jamaica, that's all we have. We drink a lot of coconut water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You already know. She definitely always drinking that coconut water, like go back to Jamaica and We just came back. Oh, okay, that's cool. So y'all get the coconuts when you're up there. Yeah, the big green ones. Yeah, so I go to, Out here I don't buy it because I don't see a lot of it. No, go to Central Market. They have it. Yeah. And it tastes sweet. Go to Central Market. I'm telling you, right there, I'll send the fire. No, that's something else. That's another place I do go to Central Market. You something else. You always, you searching for these places and making sure you go to the right place. I have, bro, listen, man, listen, they got the lab meat now. They got the lab chicken. Now it's approved. So this ain't real chicken at all. They didn't clone this chicken. Boss, you ain't saying that? They didn't clone it. I don't be looking at it like that. They got it in there. Yeah, they're impossible meat. I've seen impossible meat and all of that sort of stuff. See, here we go. So we finish it. So watch it. We can't talk about that. Hold on, so. Let me give my channel a shout out. Hold on, watch it. Nah, it's not even that. It's not even that, right? So a lot of people go vegan, think they doing the right thing, right? Okay, first of all, most vegans gonna be vitamin B12 deficient.  But you start eating those. Oh, that's, that's process two. Oh, that you can still face up to do. That's process two.  First night start with Bill. I'm gonna let you say the last one. I already know who it is. Because the first time- That's who funded impossible. So what they tell you? Money making venture. He making money off of it. Nah, yeah, it's not even that. If he funded it, you already know it's not. Yeah, it ain't 100. It ain't 100. It ain't 100. But you know, the funny thing, when nutrition became a trend, so to say, and everybody was like, I'm vegan, I'm vegetarian, all of that. I remember growing up and people saying, I'm vegetarian. In my mind, I'm thinking everybody who's vegetarian supposed to be healthy and skinny and whatever. But I would say some people who are- Overweight vegans, overweight vegetarians. And I can never understand that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But some people just eat, but they don't exercise. So I just feel like you have to do both in my personal opinion. You need to have a combination of both. Wow, man, thank you for coming on the show, man. You wanted the live ones, man. I hope everybody understand why I brought this guy on the show. Blu-ray is a Earl Spence farmer. I say farmer because y'all really all talking on y'all friends, but y'all just don't do the training again. Y'all have a business relationship for us as a workout. I sure hope to see y'all get back together. Yeah, we would love that. I would love, I would love for it too, for sure. Yeah, that would be hard because you got a skin game anyway. No matter if you're with him or not, you're with him. Yeah, for sure. So man, thank you for coming on the show, man. Yeah, I appreciate that. We love you, bro. I appreciate that. Blu-ray is a boss talker feeling now. He's been on the show. Y'all, he one of them guys, man. Hey, man, listen, man. I talk about everything though, so. I like that. I like it. I talk about you can't miss me on the conversation. Yeah, I was gonna get into God, but we'll never get out of here. Yeah. I know you love it. That's part two. Yeah, you gotta come back and talk about it. I'm rocking with it. For sure. We're gonna rock out, man, because that's what I do. You have me here every week.  Ooh, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it. Second man, this been another great scene with a boss talk.  And we out.