All right, so is this right? All right, so welcome to the 2020 annual meeting of Oceanside Conservation Trust. It says it's the 39th annual meeting. We were founded in June of 1981, so maybe we didn't have a meeting the first year. So next year will be our 40th, so it was no doubt we'll have a big blowout party if we're all still alive at that point. Anyway, I'm Roger Burley of Cliff Island, president of Oceanside Conservation Trust. I've been a member since a director since 1982. It's been a great ride, and we have had so many wonderful board members and had so much fun doing some pretty darn wonderful stuff around the Bay, and so my fun has been working with Oceanside directors and members, and I think I'm really only been president because I have a boat to get people to the various meetings and tasks, but I don't care if that's what it takes. I'm glad to have that excuse. So I'd like to, I never get this right, but I'm going to introduce all the board members that I can think of. David Hearth from Cliff Island, Michael Johnson from Long Island, Bill Stoffer from Little Diamond, John Lordy from Long Island. Whom am I missing? Is that it? We've got some former board members, got former directors, Harry Pringle, Priscilla Doucette, and since I don't want to forget later on in the workings of the meeting, I'd like Priscilla to come over here for a second. Priscilla has been a board member, a director of Oceanside, and she has also been the mother of a current director, Bill Needleman, and she's been an advisory trustee, and she has been absolutely essential to the production, design, creation, minding of our newsletter, which is fabulous, absolutely fabulous. Jane Laughlin and Hope McVane Trey from Cliff are now trying to replace Priscilla, but they can't. But we can show our appreciation for Priscilla. You have been absolutely elemental to the fun we have and the work we do. So thank you, and Michael has something for you. Thank you so much, Priscilla. Priscilla doesn't like my letters because I capitalized things that I think should be capitalized, and she is an English teacher, just like her husband, I think, and says, no, no, no, and I say yes, yes, yes. Anyway, we come to a middle ground most times. All right, so we are here to celebrate the great work of the Little Diamond Island Association, some really foresighted people, some incredibly generous people in this community. Again, Judith Hills is not here right now, she's not here. Okay, so many of you have contributed to this project. We raised three hundred thousand dollars. We, Oceanside put in, what about 9,000, so we're a player, Oceanside is, but the Little Diamond Island Association's membership and and the work that they did to raise 291,000 of that total is absolutely phenomenal. And Bill Stofer, with his assistant, Harry, certainly elemental, couldn't happen without all your work. It's just terrific, so we thank you, Oceanside thanks you, the whole of Little Diamond, I believe, thanks you and the whole bay because there's not gonna be a McMansion right here.  So I am particularly looking forward to it. I heard a little preview from Jimmy Hackett a couple of years ago when we, when I first walked on this land. So I think I'm just about done, but again, thanks for coming. Thank you. Thank you for what you have created here, and we're gonna need stewards for this property, do we already have them? We do. Okay? So I would like, Bill, I'd like you to talk a little bit about this, and then I'd like you to give the Treasures report. Yeah. Well, I don't have much to say about the lot, except thank you to a lot of you. Judy Hill's not here. There were a lot of people that kept pushing me, Harry was pushing me. Judy Hill would call me every once in a while what's going on with those lots, and I think I needed that because it at times was a little tough.  But thank you so much to everybody's generosity. I quite honestly had many days where I did not think there was any chance we were gonna raise this much money, and it just shows that I think we all recognize what's important to our island life, and that includes some beautiful land that's left untouched, except for the birds and the trees and all those Latin-like words you use to describe things on the report. So, and thank you. 15 months, and every time we would get down to that part of the agenda. Yeah, I did, I did. Don't ask me that, Rod. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, thank you guys. You want me to... Okay, so I'm gonna read our financial report. Chris Stephenson's our treasurer. Yeah, I am substituting. Oceans High Conservation Trust financial position continues to be strong due to the generosity of its members, conservative budgeting, efficient operations, and good returns on investment return reserves. As we have stated in the past, OCT's strong financial position provides us the resources we need to maintain and defend its lands, acquire new lands, and support our conservation efforts. We ended 2019 with a modest financial surplus due primarily to the organization's expenditures coming in under budget. In addition, the organization has benefited from great returns on the investment of its reserve funds and a very generous and supportive membership. As are the most recent bank and investment statements, we have a healthy investment account, which is invested in a mixture of stocks and bonds. Of these investments, $90,000 is restricted for stewardship and defense of our lands, as well as property management. The balance is held unrestricted for future activities, including future easements and land acquisitions. OCT has an annual budget for 2020, just over $42,000. This year, OCT is right where we want to be from a financial standpoint. Thank you for your continued support for making all this possible. Thank you, Bill and Chris, Stevenson, by extension. And John, you want to talk a little bit about John Lordy, about what stewardship and defense is all about? Sure, well, stewardship is the easy part. We are charged with ensuring that these lands remain natural as possible, and some lands face more challenges than others. We're fortunate on this piece of property that there's very little invasive plants that are starting to take over the natural communities. Some of our other properties have a much more robust population and are going to require more management. But to kind of go through the life cycle of what is involved, we first do an inventory of the property, identify what's there. And as part of that, identify challenges that the property has, invasive species, maybe encroachment, maybe illegal dumping. And then we take action to fix those things or come up with a plan to take care of them. Invasive species management typically occurs over a long period of time. And sometimes it may occur long after none of us are here. And we do annual monitoring to make sure that occurs. And then we also encourage getting local stewards to help us with that. And typically, the people who live right near the property are the best stewards possible, and they help us out with that. The Defense Fund is set up so that if there are any issues or legal challenges regarding right title or interest, or for some reason we are sued, those monies are available to help us manage that situation. If we are sued, yes, we also have sued people on Long Island way back in the 1980s. There was some serious cutting of land that we held an easement on. We didn't own it. We held the easement on it. Overlooking the passage, the hussy between long and peaks. And so we were able to successfully sue the trespass. And so a conservation easement in its simplest form. First of all, it's a legal instrument, just like any other legal instrument. And it's held in registries of the local, the appropriate municipality. What it, the working part of it is a lot of boilerplate language, but the working part of it is a list of things that are permitted on a piece of property and the list of things that are prohibited on that property. And that's what Oceanside does. Usually every May we get out and about and see all of our, I think it's 16, 17 properties around the bay, a few of which we own, most of which we hold conservation easements on.  And our first step is not to sue somebody, but to talk to them and just get them to understand. We're just another neighbor, whether by easement or by ownership. And so we're looking to have good neighborly relations, not antagonistic, litigious ones. So in 97.8% of the cases, that's the way it works. It works really well. So it's pretty simple. We've been doing this every year, like I said, for almost 40 years. And we hope to continue whoever the directors are in the future. It gets, in a way, it gets easier because we have better conservation easements. They get improved from time to time and it's pretty simple. And but the best thing we do is to make it plain to the community, including the butters, about who we are, what we expect, and what we what we're going to do about it. So anyway, so now we have some more business. So I would like John Lordy again to read the minutes of the 2019 annual meeting, which was on his Long Island. Oh, I don't have those. Oh, I do. Okay. I sent them to you. Oh, you did? What happened? Uh, there was a technical glitch. Okay. Oh, where else? That was Dave Hurth. Oh, my fault. You did the treasury. Dave, Mayor Culpa, Dave Hurth from Cliff Island. There's no reflection on Cliff Island. No, I guess I never did. Hang on, hang on. The women got a... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to scare you. Okay. Let's see if I can project, compete well enough over the wind and hang on to the mic and read my notes here all at the same time. The first thing that happened a year ago was that three board members were reelected. They were Tom, Tom Berg, John Lordy, and Bill Needleman. Um, there were... We reelected our, uh, board officers who were Roger Burley, President, John Spencer, Vice President, Jane Loughlin, Secretary, and Chris Stevenson Treasurer. Chris presented the Treasurer's Report, and he said, kind of like what Bill just said, that the OCT remains in a substantially solid financial position with an appropriate balance of diversified equity and fixed income and cash balances, which are board reviewed on a quarterly schedule. You'll be happy to know, relieved to know. Roger gave the President's Report, in which he expressed great appreciation and acknowledged for the many years of dedicated and thoughtful service of retiring board members, Bob Bittenbender, Erno Bonebreaker, and, uh, and Jean Gulnick. Perspective board members, Tracy Ames from, from Shibig Island was introduced and voted into office. Tom Berg introduced our speaker, who was Heather McCargo of the Wild Seed Project, and OCT purchased and made available for distribution seed packets from the Wild Seed Project. And refreshments were served. Thank you for the Long Island Civic Association for their, for their housing for the meeting. And that's it. All right. So, uh, I'm not doing this in precisely legal order, but I am going to suggest that if there are no objections to the Treasurer's Report, that I can declare it accepted. You're here. Okay. And then, um, I would like to, uh, suggest that if there's no objections to the minutes of the 2019 annual meeting, I will consider it accepted. Done. Okay. So, uh, I will also mention that, uh, Bill Needleman, a little Diamond Islander, um, Priscilla's son, um, would have been here, but if any of you are following the, the waterfront news in the city of Portland, the fish exchange is in deep trouble. And, uh, he realized that he had to, uh, be on task on the waterfront. Bill has been incredible working on all waterfront issues for many, many, many years. And, uh, so he's on task today and wishes he were here instead, but he's there doing good work for the city of Portland. And I appreciate that completely. Um, so, and I also, I should have said at the beginning that while we're, um, getting in my boat or on the bail lines to do our monitoring work, we rotate, we go to all the islands, and also for our annual meetings, we rotate around the islands that have ocean side properties, whether again in, in fee ownership or by conservation easement. And so we get to be, uh, on all these islands on a regular basis. And I think it was three years ago, we were here at the casino, um, and, uh, last year, Long Island before that, Cliff Island. So it's great. Anyone who wants to come and join these meetings gets to see, A, get a boat ride and gets to see, uh, inside another island community, which I think is a great benefit. All right. So moving along, uh, towards Harry's talk, I will ask John Lourdy correctly this time, to do the nominations and run the election. Okay. So, uh, the current nominating committee report, there are, uh, no board members planning to retire this year. There are no prospective board members being nominated. However, there are a number of current board members who terms expire this year and are available for re-nomination. These include, uh, Bill Stofer, Heather McVane-Trey, Michael Johnson, Hope, yeah, sorry, Hope McVane, David Hurth, Jane Laughlin, and Roger. Um, I would like to make a motion to nominate all of these, uh, people for another term. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Okay. Unanimous. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Is there any other business that members or board members, uh, would like to bring up? Any questions, comments, um, now's the time. Yes. Yes. That is, what's the, what's the status of, uh, your start dumps over on the lower property? We are act, uh, you're talking about the toilets and do you own any of that, Paul? Actually, we're, uh, we are planning probably this spring to organize a crew to get that all out of there. Um, I think I've already talked to Nate on that a little bit, but yeah, we're, we are planning to get that. There's a few things up here too, but most of it's all down there. We just took another visit around there, actually, so. Good question. Yeah, we don't, that's right. That's right. Marty from the city. Any more trouble makers out there?  Okay. Any other questions or comments, um, or other business? All right. Well, we're done with the, uh, painful part and now we're going to hear, um, Harry. Okay. So my job is to tell you guys a little story because not only is this an amazing piece of land to conserve, but there's also a little history associated with it. And the story is really, I think, a story of America and you'll see what I mean by the time I get to the end of it. So our story begins in 1818 when a young man by the name of Michael Healy emigrates to the United States either from Ireland or perhaps from Canada. It's not clear. He makes his way to Georgia and, uh, is very, very lucky because in Georgia he wins the land lottery and is given essentially free of charge almost 1500 acres of prime Georgia for. Now, the land lottery, of course, is a way of redistributing lands that belong to the Cherokee, but we'll move beyond that because in order to clear those lands he had to get some slaves. And one of the first slaves that he acquired was a young lady by the name of Mary, Mary Eliza. She was 15 when he bought her. She was a mulatto, meaning she was mixed race. It's not clear if she was born in Georgia or in fact was born in the Caribbean, but he bought her at the age of 15 and by the age of 16, she had borne him his first child. She would go on over the next 15 years and serve to bear him a total of 10 children. The first child was a young boy by the name of James, James Healy. And because James was born to a slave, James was a slave. Michael, the father, couldn't marry Mary, but she became his common law wife. All of his children under Georgia law were slaves and therefore could not be taught to read and write or be educated. Over time, Michael Healy, with his 1500 acres cleared by his at one point up to 50 or 60 slaves becomes a fairly wealthy landowner and one by one he decides that he needs to educate his children. Remember his children all being slaves but not be educated in Georgia or in the South. He sends our young man James up to a school in New York which was run by Quakers, very anti-slavery. He's educated there and then goes on to Holy Cross College where he graduates number one in his class. He was a very bright young man. Number one in the very first graduating class of Holy Cross would have been in 1849. So James graduates 1849, not surprisingly having spent four years at Holy Cross College, he decides he wants to become a Jesuit priest. To become a Jesuit priest at that point he would have had to go to a seminary in Maryland. Maryland was a slave state. He would have been arrested had he gone to Maryland. So instead he goes to a seminary in Montreal and ultimately to a seminary in Paris, France where he is ordained in the year 1855. By that time James was fluent in French which would serve him well because he comes back to the United States as a parish priest in Boston for a number of years and then in the year 1875 he is ordained as the second Catholic bishop of the Archdiocese of Maine. At that point the Archdiocese was much bigger than it is now and included all of Maine and all of New Hampshire or a good part of New Hampshire. And so James becomes the first African American to be ordained as a bishop in the Catholic Church and one of the first African American bishops in the country. Pretty historic. Remember that year 1875 because in 1875 a lot was going on in terms of immigration and growth in the state of Maine and all of New England. There were Irish immigrants coming in Irish Catholics immigrants coming in many French Canadian Catholics coming down to work in the mills and so over the 25 years that James is the Catholic Bishop of Portland he built listen to these numbers 60 churches 18 convents and 18 parochial schools an uncounted number of other ancillary societies. He is in my judgment and I I've read a lot about him by the way not a historian I'm just a lawyer so if I say anything that's wrong it's not my fault and if there's something I don't know there are people in the audience here I've only been on Little Diamond for 35 years people have been here all their lives much more than 35 years so they can answer questions you may have. But getting back to 1875 over the course of the next 25 years I think of Bishop Healy as being as much a real estate developer as a pastor to his flock because of all the things he does buying land and building churches seems to be among the most important. Now 1875 Little Diamond Island was owned by the milk and deering heirs they had owned the island for a long time it was essentially used for tenant farming some fish drying to supply markets in Portland and the deering heirs were starting to get tired of owning this island and having to deal with those problems so in that year 1875 they sold four acres of Little Diamond to the U.S. Lighthouse Service those four acres became the Rand property ultimately the Coast Guard property first part of Little Diamond to be sold in 1880 the heirs decided that they would have the entire island surveyed they cut it in half roughly 33 acres over here on the west side 33 acres here on the east side the 33 acres on the west side were sold to Elizabeth Smith and she proceeded to build a bunch of rental cottages 16 in fact on cottage row which if you came from the ferry you would have passed on the left and 15 of those cottages still survived although many of them have been moved all around the island in 1882 our friend Bishop Healy decides that this might be a good thing to get invested in and so he buys the entire eastern side of the island 33 acres now owned by the Bishop of Portland he proceeds to build a summer orphanage for the Sisters of Mercy between and if you go down the hill on your left towards the sandbar you'll see the buildings that still exist and that orphanage is run by the Sisters of Mercy up into the summer orphanage, summer camp it evolved into up into the 1980s but he chose the best piece of that 33 acres as the spot to build his cottage and that piece of land is right over there on the hill behind that tree and on that cottage it was at the time probably the nicest cottage on the island he spent most of his summers here between 1884 or so and 1900 when he passed away and that cottage was really in a way that's hard to imagine for us now the center of the Catholic community's summer activities in Portland because there was a huge bishops picnic that he would throw every year hundreds if not thousands of people on some occasions would come over in Little Diamond there'd be a huge feed on the road on the way to the sandbar Irish fiddlers, jigs just an amazing sort of exuberant kind of experience and all centered on that cottage that lasts until the early 1900s but in 1900 the bishop passes away and the house is still occupied by the successor bishop but a funny thing happens in the fall of 1923 it's the end of November and that cottage burns to the ground by the way I've only been able to find two pictures of that cottage one from the archives of the Catholic Diocese where I would have spent several days in February had it not been closed to visitors because of COVID so I'll get in there at some point the other picture actually is owned by Phil Lee and he has it here it's an amazing shot where you can just barely see the cottage but that cottage burns to the ground mysteriously and the rumor on the island has always been that it was burned to the ground by the KKK and that the Ku Klux Klan burned that cottage so is that true? I haven't been able to verify it but let me tell you what I know about the KKK in 1923 it's a really sad part of Maine's history but the KKK was really really resurgent in the 1920s it reached its height roughly between 20 and 1923 because there were so few blacks in Maine the KKK focused its hatred on Catholics primarily recent immigrant Catholics primarily Irish and also French Canadian the King Klegel which is to say the chief recruiter of the Klan in the 1920s was a gentleman by the name of Eugene Farnsworth Eugene had been a magician for a period of time he was a carnival barker for a period of time he was a very charismatic guy and his job was to increase the visibility of the Ku Klux Klan he did a bunch of statewide speaking tours he held a lot of rallies all across the state some of which attracted thousands of people and at those rallies you could join the Klan for only ten dollars of that ten dollars Eugene Farnsworth got a cut so he had a lot of reasons for increasing the influence of the Klan the Klan bought a large estate in Portland the Rollins estate between Forrest Avenue and Baxter Boulevard in 1923 established the headquarters there when it was opened the newspaper reports that there were over 3,000 Klansmen that gathered to celebrate the opening of the headquarters the Klan was also very, very active in politics and its arrival in Maine really split the Maine Republican Party in two the old guard of the Republican Party led by Governor Baxter detested the Klan was determined to show that it had a lot of power backed Governor Brewster as the governor in 1924 Eugene Farnsworth is reputed to have said the Klan will elect the next governor of the state of Maine and sure enough Governor Brewster was elected governor in 1924 by 1926 the KKK's influence was waning and the public began to turn against it Farnsworth himself died in 1926 so the point of this story about the Klan is to say that at its very height in Maine which is to say in 1923 and at the very time that the Klan was promising that it would elect the next governor of the state of Maine this cottage burned out maybe a coincidence maybe not I spent some time talking to Herb Adams historian about this many of you know Herb and we corresponded and Herb said yeah he'd heard the rumor too he didn't know if it was accurate or not but and I wish I could imitate Herb's sort of stentorian voice but what he left me with this thought he said Harry, legends do not grow in the dark he also added a post script to this talk which is pretty interesting so remember the Klan headquarters and the 3,000 people who celebrated its opening well that headquarters burned in the early 1930s and according to Herb the parallel legend is that when the call was put into the Portland fire department to put out the fire the fire department was exceedingly slow to respond and as a result it burned to the ground the Portland fire department of course at that time and actually to this day was largely Irish Catholic so that's my story if I find out more I'll let you know but for right now guys I'm sticking to my story oh hi Leslie I am President of Oceanside Conservation Trust and this is a wonderful event yet again Oceanside was incorporated in June of 1981 and it's now in 2020 so we're almost 40 years old what we do is we act to preserve conserve special properties in western Casco Bay and we're right now on Little Diamond Island where we have preserved properties before we actually own some properties on Little Diamond in fee but we also hold conservation easements on property that the Little Diamond Island Association or other individual landowners they still own them and we own what's called the development rights of those parcels which means that there's a legal deed called a conservation easement that lists the activities which are permitted and prohibited on these properties whether we own them or whether we hold an easement so today I am standing on the perimeter of what we call the Putnam lots which was one of the Putnam lots there are two that the Little Diamond Island Association was able to raise the money to purchase from the Putnam family or family trust and now the $300,000 including some of which Urshinside put in contributed to the purchase of these properties and we own them well I'm Priscilla Doucette I've lived on Little Diamond in the summers all my life and this lot and the abutting lots has been just part of our childhood we grew up being able to have picnics and build hideouts and really love this view of the bay and thanks to the hard work of the islanders we were able to purchase this and of course Urshinside I've been involved with Urshinside for many many years and so I think that the island is fortunate to have this become part of our heritage forever now and not just part of a few lucky people and the people who own this land always let the kids of the island come and play here well this was owned by the Sisters of Mercy and so they didn't it was given to them in the 1800s and I think Harry Pringle will tell a bit more for when the Sisters were forced to sell the land then it went into private hands but this lot fortunately was never sold off and never built on these other three were built on but we've had wonderful new islanders on it so now this is a great compromise we have some of the land saved my name is Harry Pringle and I've been on we've had a cottage on Little Diamond for 35 odd years which makes me a newcomer but I've been involved in Urshinside and involved on land conservation on the island for quite a while now this is an incredibly important project not only because it's incredible land that we're preserving forever but also because there's a historical tide because right up there through the woods on a on a knoll was the site of Bishop Healy's cottage he was the second Roman Catholic Bishop of Portland and the first African American Bishop in the country and he built a cottage here in the 1880's and used it as a summer residence but also a place for the Catholic community in southern Maine to come every August it burned down after he died under very suspicious circumstances at some point in 1923 the island legend has always been that it was burned down by the KKK I've been able to verify that nobody has to my knowledge but we're doing our best and so stay tuned we may have an answer for you at some point in the future is there any movement to have some kind of a memorial to this Bishop who you know very unusual at that time in Maine to have you know ahead of absolutely in fact in the entire United States we have thought about that I'd like to know a little bit more about the circumstances under which the cottage was destroyed and to do that you need to spend some time in the archives of the Catholic Diocese which I would have done in February had this pandemic not come along and made that very hard somewhere in those archives there are some clues as to how that cottage burned so if we can find them we'll have to actually put together a little historical plaque that will make some sense but even if we can't what you've got I think is not only a wonderful case of land conservation but a piece of history in the middle of Casco Bay that people ought to know something about my name is Bill Stauffer you want me to just I want you to just go go yeah so why do we start this first of all can I just say how long a process this took to build up the previous owner David Putnam who has since passed away and I thought it was going to be easy I thought he's an old guy he's just going to donate these lots and we'd be done with it but it wasn't that easy the lots were in trust so we actually had to raise the money and the price was it was high at first so the whole process took us about three years not only did we have to raise $300,000 but we had to get the sellers to agree to sell us both lots for $300,000 so we did get that agreement they gave us about six months and then we went to Islanders and the donations just kept getting bigger and bigger and then we wouldn't get quite there and somebody else would cook in a little bit more money and so just the generosity of the Islanders kind of blew me away and we did have we had a few naysayers saying wouldn't it be more cost effective if we want to save land to buy acreage say way up north somewhere we could probably get it for a lot less this came out to about $47,000 an acre but I think we have to save land wherever we can find land to save and when you look in the islands there's not a lot of land left to save and I know we often talk a lot about saving land and how it impacts human beings in our lives but I'm of the mindset that we're the caretakers of the globe and we kind of got to save this also for the birds and the trees and all the plants that only the scientists know what to call them but yeah that's a beautiful story and I think the generosity of the Islanders is just amazing but it's their home you're right, you're right it is their home and I also think that part of it is having land that's left untouched but also it's for future generations of kids that need a place to just go sometimes they're going to do bad things but they need that freedom to get away to just discover to walk around not knowing the name of a plant or an animal but just to discover what's out there and if there's a home on every single lot then they kind of lose that and that's the magic of the islands and you don't want to lose that we don't want to lose that magic of the islands I mean I go out to the other, whether it's like Cliff where you guys are there's a loft that overlooks Jewel Island I mean you just you have to appreciate beautiful pieces of land like that, yeah and be thankful to the people who either donate land or allow people to use it as well as the people like the generosity of this island coming together so quickly and getting that money together and this isn't even a year round island these are people who come here and have that great appreciation and it was a joint effort in other ways too because I'm not a scientist like some of the other members of our board and so to me it's a very subjective almost artistic when I look at land like this but some of the like John Lordy from our board who gave me a whole spreadsheet of the birds that exist on these lots he did an inventory you look at that and then you take a look at bird populations on uninhabited land versus inhabited land it's a huge difference sometimes exponential difference so there's a lot of other reasons just for the biodiversity that maintains if we take away that biodiversity then what do we really have on these islands right yeah okay I'm Jim Hackett I'm a lifelong resident here summer resident at Little Diamond Island so this is my 77th summer here and I hope to get a few more happy summers out of this who knows but growing up here as a kid these woods were really a lot of fun for us we would divide up as two little groups of kids into two tribes because you know Indian tribes Native American tribes and we would build little shelters and things over here in the woods and then at the end of the season what we would do is invite each other's tribe over and we would prepare a Native American meal out of anything that we could find here on the island dig clams blueberries raspberries anything make muffins, make pies had a lot a lot of fun very very fond memories and there are still some of us left in the clan one being Priscilla Doucette I see Phillip Lee over there and I don't think Martha was old enough Martha Nichols but fond fond memories are growing up on Little Diamond here so do you still get together with the old tribes? oh yes still get together some of them are now missing some of them have moved off the island some have died but we still get together in Reminis and really have fond fond memories of everything here so being able to preserve this land means you can continue that tradition exactly I can continue the tradition as a matter of fact one of our my tribes had a little settlement it was down in here somewhere and we would build little lean twos and what have you and probably had fires which probably was very illegal but we did that anyway how wonderful so this has given you a lot of joy it has given me a great deal of joy to know that this is being preserved and so much of the island has been preserved thanks to others too and other little children like you are going to have those adventures with their own imagining yes they certainly are I have two grandnises they have already been over here and looked around and I told them bringing up other kids here and looking around and enjoying immensely mother nature, the forest, the woods and everything that it has to offer


Monday night football pre-game stream. You already know what we do here.  We wind down a little bit, play some bad and I'll answer some questions. Just chilling before the Monday night football matchup between the 49ers and the Vikings and my speakers on. And what we've been doing on our round, we've been doing a, what is the superstar game mode? I made myself a quarterback for the Raiders. We've been pretty bad, but we think we're on the come up a little bit, things are starting to maybe turn around for us, at least performance wise. But we're just going to hop into this game against the Bears and see if we can't get our first one of the season. Oh and six, trying to get to one and six, get on a run here, you know how it is. You know how it is. They may have Justin Field still in this matchup instead of the rookie that they've been, I can't even think of his name now. The rookie that they won with, the Bears won with this past week. But hey, this is actually, hold on, got some kind of creative play calls going on. I feel like we've been lacking in creative play call department, kind of like a run to the right here. Let's hand it off. Oh, we've got Space Jacobs. If, oh, he did break that tackle. Let's say if he breaks that tackle, that's a pretty big gain. We'll take seven yards on first down, all day long, man, all day long. Quick little spread look here for you. Yes, I guess it kind of depends on what these linebackers do. But my guess is that it's probably covered three, horribly inaccurate pass. Should have been intercepted, got very lucky there. And third down and three. Once again, they're showing us the same look they've been showing us. Bang, let's go. Let's go, threading in between the zones. This is what we like to see. This is what we like to see. We're down three, nothing, but we wanna get to a point where we're up seven, three. Let me take a shot to Devontae here. I took a hit, I feel like that was a dot. I feel like that was a dot. Could he have caught that? I think he could have caught that. I think this is on the receiver. I think that was kind of a dot. But what do I know? I'm just a low league quarterback. I only throw the ball. I don't do anything else. We're actually gonna change that. Then we're gonna slide our line left here. I had Devontae, I had Devontae. The pressure came on the left real quick. I was trying to prepare for it too, but it just did not matter. Third and 13 now. Could be a quarter's look. Oh, they gave me all the space in the world to run with it here. And that's a 22 yard gain in a first down. Man. What a disaster by the defense. Almost pound the rock here. Couldn't I do the mic? So like, again, like. Oh, I had it. Just not there. Third and seven. Just not there, man. It's just not there for us right now. So I could have Adams, but. Oh, this is, yeah, that'll work. That'll work. No, it won't. Oh, no, it won't shoot. They sat on that really well. We're gonna have to settle for three here. Assuming we make the field goal, we've been kind of hit or miss on those. We made it though, and we get the ball back here. All right, all right. So tied up at three in the second quarter. Too high look again. We'll see if it's quarters or if it's a cover two. Looks like it's gonna get a little bit better. Cover two looks, oh, it's not even quarters. Safety's rotated, and I thought I could make Guy miss, but I take a sack. Not what you wanna do there. Pro tip didn't need to take a sack. Oh, nice. Regret that a sentiment motion. Delay of game, offense. Now it's what, second and 21? Nice. So if Renfrow wins on the outside here, which he could, nope, he didn't. And Devante drops it. That's just brutal. You just, bang, couldn't quite fit it in. So we'll pun it away, only one completion so far today. I'm trying to get it to my stars, or I guess star on offense. Hey, yesterday was national tight end day.  Kyle Pitts had a really nice grab.  Single high, and yet my number one guy's in the slot. Shocker. There we go. There we go. Out in space, break a tackle. That's a big first down there. We take that all day long. All day long. Screen pass, pancake block on the outside. Another six yard gain. Hey, is it just me, or are we marching? Adams could get the first down here. We're gonna slide the line right, cause I'm gonna slide right probably. Oh, oh, oh. I had Devante, man. I had Devante, and I tried to get it to him. And then anytime we're in third and long, we just immediately decide, yeah, which four verge time. That's the only play. It's the only possible play we can run. But it actually looks like this might work out in our favor. Oh my gosh, it was there. It got batted down. That's crazy. Crazy. Still three-three though. We'll pun it away. Defense gonna stop, 10-three. All right, 17 seconds. Can we score here before half? Not looking too promising. That's not impossible either. 14 seconds. Thought I could fit it in over. They just, they had it covered. They had it covered there. All right, if the safety's rotate, we'll have the exact look I want. If not, we might have mayor. Oh, one on one. Oh my God, hit as I throw. Who got eviscerated like that? Who got evicted from their gap? That's embarrassing, man. Oh, six, oh, did he not catch that? Embarrassing, man. Embarrassing, I thought that was a pretty good throw. I thought that was a pretty good throw. But we go three and out right before half. We at least get ball coming out. So you can't be too upset, I guess. Oh, we caught it. Someone caught it, at least. Getting sacked on second down. Just, sacks period can't happen. And then, of course, we're running four verts on third and long because that's the only play that we have in our bag. But Jacobi can't bring it in. So we're punting three and out in our first drive. That was an under throw. Thought I could, thought I could get that over. But apparently, I just don't have the arm to do that. Okay, it's not so bad, only 13 to three. We're still very much in this game, but we've got to get a touchdown. We've got to get points right here, right now. Is that not a penalty? What are we talking about? Oh, hold on, hold on. I'm gonna take off again. I'm gonna take off again. Second and inches, I thought I got the first down there. All right, it's okay, it's okay. We're cool. We're so cool here. Oh, shoot, get it out, get it out, let's go. Way to not take a sack there. That was so huge.  But to get that out there, no one was open. Not gonna force anything there. We'll go back to the play action a little bit. Slide line right. I don't know if that'll actually work here. I don't know if we're quite, we've sacked five times so far today. Just not ideal, not ideal. Third and 12, let's do it. Oh, he caught it. Oh, thank God. Oh man, I was holding my breath. I thought for sure he was gonna drop it, but it gets completed over the middle. Am I gonna have space on the outside? Not quite. Oh, I thought I had it. I thought I was gonna be able to step up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jacobi. Jacobi, Jacobi! No one's guarding him there. That's a touchdown. That's an easy touchdown. And we're right back in it. One possession game, as long as we keep him out of the end zone here, we're feeling pretty good. We do, no point. That's what we like to see. That's what we like to see. All right, let's get the ground game. Oh, whoa. I don't know if I love this look on the ground. Let's look, period. We're gonna try it. Blitz off the left. Oh, okay. And Josh Jacobs gets a seven yard gain there. The box just wasn't looking super favorable, but we get positive yards there. And that's all we can ask for. And if we can, oh, oh, he caught it. Underthrown ball, doesn't matter. Oh, man, I got hit as I threw. It fell way short, but luckily Devontae was paying attention. And we got the completion we desperately needed. And because we got that completion, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go right back to him. I'm gonna go right back to him. Blitz don't care. I'm throwing it up. He doesn't, is he not supposed to win his one? Okay. Maybe I misunderstand like what his X factor does, but like make 20 yard catches. And then, oh, there we go. There we go. Tripping and falling, but we get the first down. And that's all that matters. Oh, break and tackles on my way to another huge first down run. It's a great game on the ground for me right now. Okay, they're gonna start. I don't blame them. I would do the same thing, but it looks like they're gonna cover three here. If they're gonna give me space, I'm gonna take advantage of it. It was a little late. It was a little bit late. It had the potential to be a great play, but it was just a hair, a hair late. Oh, you already know I'm gonna take off and run again. You already know I'm gonna take off and run again. Seven carries 84 yards on the ground.  No spy, no contain. It's over for you. It's over for you. Maybe we can hit Renfro here. I'm gonna slide the line right, see if I can boot out. I kinda had him. If I'd just been a little bit more aggressive with that throw, I probably would have had it. Shit. I'm gonna get myself sacked out of field goal range. Third and goal from the 25. I mean, this is Devante all day, right? Barring something. Oh, no, no way. Oh, just short, just short. All right, we're gonna have to settle for three here. And it looks like we'll probably head to overtime. Barring our defense completely folding over. What, what, what? No way. No, on the four, but we have a shot here. We have a shot all three time outs. Ooh, that was rough. Oh, man, that was rough. I kinda just wanna take it to the end of the game and just take it to overtime. I kinda wanna just do that. That's, yeah, I'm just gonna take it to overtime. On the one, like, we lost yards on first down. I'm not gonna risk. We want the ball. We want the ball, we're gonna score. When are we getting the sophomore album? I'm working on some collaborative stuff right now, so probably not for a while. I see Gabs in here. The Browns are gonna win the Super Bowl in my lifetime. That's all I'm asking for in my lifetime. All right, we get ball first here. No blitz, whoops, slide down. Eight yard gain. All right, this looks like Renfro all day to me. Yup, easy, first down. Let's go. Have you ever smoked a cigarette? No. What kind of questions are these, man? I would have had Devontae. That's gotta be roughing the passer, man. That hit is so late. Wait. I might love Michael Mayer here. I lied. I lied. Oh, and Josh Jacobs does not pick up the block. Third and 15, they call the same thing that they've been calling every third and long. Oh no, the most inaccurate pass of all time. Oh, it was deflected. Okay. So I don't know if we got tipped at the line or what, but that throw was horrible. We get the ball back somehow. Our defense bails us out as they have been all game. We still have a chance to pull off this miracle win. Oh, I thought he was gonna bring that in. I thought he was gonna bring that in, man. Rumors are the Dolphins' fans would have come after Steve if they had won yesterday. The Dolphins have yet to beat a good team. Like a really truly good team. Damn, man, we cannot hang onto the football through contact right now. I'm going to just hope that I can kind of pick these guys here a little bit. Oh, oh, no, I over, oh my God, I missed him. No, I gotta be able to hit those throws. I have to be able to hit those throws. Tragic, tragic, tragic miss throw by me. I refuse to go out like that. It's time to take the jacket off. We're getting serious for this next game. It's time to lock in. It is time to lock in. All right, what skills do we want to, I think throw power's gotta be number one. I can't afford that, I only have one to work with. So we'll do our medium accuracy. Feel like that's where we're missing the most right now. Bro was not cooking. I wasn't, I was not cooking. It's so over for me. Yeah, I still don't have any X factors yet. Unfortunate to say the least. We're close, man. We're so close to figuring it out. So tragic. I'm just saying, hold on. Oh God. Oh, I thought this was gonna be a bad all eyes on you.  Stay Hot had an Oakley deal. I'm not gonna waste any time. Detroit, head into this Lions game. Actually no, I could, if there's something that could boost my throw power for this game, I could really use that. I could really use that, yeah. Plus two throw power. Oh, no, I don't wanna quit the league. Bonus workout. We'll do throw under pressure. All right, all right. Now let's hop in. Let's hop in. I'm just like Justin Herbert, man. It's not my fault. I'm just like Herbert. It's just the play calling, man. Like we get into third down and they have one play. They have one play for me to run because I'm not gonna run. I'm not gonna call my own plays, right? I'm gonna let the offensive coordinator call their stuff. But we've gotta call reasonable plays here. Low half back sweep here on first down. I wanted it to be the other linebacker, but I guess they're not gonna let me do that. Oh, good move. Good move. Good move. Huge run. Huge run by Josh Jacobs there. Wasn't a whole lot of space, but he made it work and I respect the hell out of that. It was there, it was there, but at least it wasn't a sack, you know? These are the positives that we have to look for. Silver lining. Oh, get the first down. Oh, geez. The offensive line is dropping like flies. What are we, I'll catch you later, man. Oh, did I get it? No, please let me go for it. Please, let's go. Oh my God, need this. I didn't get it. Oh, I didn't get it. They're never letting me go for it on fourth and one again. And of course we give up six because the line's off into this year. No, why did I, why did they make me boot out so far? Oh my God, I like the screen call here. Please, good block, good block, good move. Okay, third and 13, that's more manageable than third and 19. Still gonna be tough to see what's going on, but I think we can manage. Let's get to work. Oh, they're giving me a lane. They're giving me a lane. First down, let's go. It's just tough to see what's going on here. Oh, what a, I can't believe he turned around to make that hit because I was like, I was feeling real good about that throw. I was like, man, I got the guy barreling down on me, distracted, and I dump it off at the last second so that my receiver can kind of run free. Just doesn't quite work out that way. Oh, he couldn't hang on. Man, I was moving on that, moving on that play. All right, I'm gonna leave Jacobs back to block here. No blitz, bro, I let, I leave Jacobs back to block and he gets crushed. All right, luckily our defense gets to the stop. We get to come back out, have another shot to tie this game up before it gets two out of hand. Bang, bang, bang, bang, Davante Adams breaks a tackle too. We take those all day long. We're smooth now, they're pressing up. No one's really creating any sort of separation here. I got a yard, I got a yard out of that. Hey, it's not a sack, that's positive. Give me one on one, oh no, wait. Oh, I thought it was gonna end up getting caught. I thought it was. Am I loving the screen on 39, not really. I had to get the ball out. I had to get the ball out, it was, now we're down 14, nothing. Not feeling good, but it's not over. I ain't hearing no bell. This game ain't over yet. That was a dot, that was such a dot, man. The fact that that wasn't completed is crazy. Because that was an absolute dime. Bang, good catch Davante. I feel like Davante Adams is the only one I've completed a pass to so far today. Oh no, I completed a pass to one other guy. Not sure who, maybe it was Michael Mayer. Okay, I can see my routes again, that's at least a positive. Good throw, good catch, and Davante's hurt. What am I supposed to do now? Free rusher, man, nice, nice. Oh, oh, red fro, I'm just sad, man. Good catch, good catch. Fantastic catch, Trey Tucker, the Cincinnati legend. Wow, who would've thought? Oh no, oh we got it, oh that was almost a disaster. Please, please, oh my, I feel like you've gotta bring that in, I feel like that has to be a catch. To me, that's a good throw. Please, Josh Jacobs, break a tackle. Okay, we'll call time out here, 15 seconds. Give me some time to actually figure out what I wanna do.  Is this a joke? Davante's back, let's go. Oh my, free rusher, free rusher. Should have no hope to get this pass off, man. Might just have to give Davante a prayer here. Well at least we get the ball coming out of half. That is the one good that is gonna come from this. Davante, oh mayor, good catch, good catch, they're down. Can I just inside zone this? Maybe, maybe, bro, no, are you serious? That's what I get for taking the ball out of my own hands I guess. Hey, we're not out of this, it's only a two possession game, we score here, we're right back in it. I ain't here to know about this game ain't over yet. How did I complete that? I had no idea where I was looking, but I didn't wanna waste the time out, you know?  Would have been nasty. I was trying, just trying to create some play, man. Wait, I might like this. I like this, Davante, way to hang on to it. Bang, Michael Mayer as I'm getting hit, he dropped it? No, that's so maddening, that's so crazy. I cannot believe what I'm hearing. He dropped it, slide baby, first down. Who needs my receivers when I have myself? Oh, block for me Joshua.  It's a positive game, put ourselves in striking distance more or less, let's get this first down here. Davante, let's get this first down here. Let's get this first down, oh, out of his reach. Third and five. Brother, I will not be doing a cigarette stream. What are we talking about? Dot, stop dropping the football. Oh my God, oh my God. I can't do any better than that. I can't do any better than that. I can't, and then they score a touchdown. How am I supposed to do any better than that? That's insane, that's completely unreal. Bang, Michael Mayer, good play. What's the penalty for? What is the penalty for? Face mask, defense, hold on. Free yards, we take free yards, we're in field ball range. Do I hear this game ain't over yet? Oh, little pump fake. I'm like, do I wanna hit that? Oh, break a tackle, come on man, I'm right there. I'm right there, I'm just gonna keep hurrying up. I thought I could, I wasn't actually gonna try, I was just trying to like get to the side. This feels like Mayer or Adams.  He broke my tackle too. So unfair, not my fault. Wait, wait, wait, it's not over. Wait for it, wait for it. Holding, offense, of course it is.  Isn't it, isn't it? It's gonna be an illegal forward pass. So what is it gonna be, third and 30? Third and 25, I'm just so, so sad man. Oh, he was open, my heart hurts. All right, so that's probably the game. We tried, no one can say that I didn't try. No one can say that I didn't try. But maybe one day we'll put together a highlight reel performance and win some games. But apparently that day is not today. But you know what, it's about effort. And the Lions are a good team. So you know what, we don't always expect to win those. But I know that next week's game will be a win. I can guarantee it, it's a lock against the New York Giants. I'm already anticipating a win for Doradas. But until then, you know what, enjoy Monday Night Football. 49ers Vikings, I'm picking the 49ers to win tonight. George Kittle, gonna have a great game, tight ends day. Hockington might have a good game too, but it's the Niners defense and it's Fred Warner. And it's like, he can try, like Fred Warner's the best. So I don't know, I don't know if I see it there. But thank you all for tuning in. Enjoy Monday Night Football. And until next time, I will catch you guys on the Flippity Flop.


Good morning, everybody. I'm Tommy O'Brien, coming to you live from TFNN headquarters in St. Petersburg, Florida. It's Wednesday, 9 a.m. Eastern Time, 30 minutes to go until that opening bell. We got markets in slightly positive territory. It is Fed Day. We get a decision at 2 p.m. Eastern Time, a cut of 25 basis points, all but expected. We get in a press conference, excuse me, with Chairman Powell at 2.30. Should be interesting to see what he has to say. Right now, Dow futures up 10 points, trading $27,052. NASDAQ futures up 18 points, trading at $8,073. S&P futures positive by 2, trading at $3,038. Getting a little bit of action oil, negative $0.18 at $0.5536, and the 10-year yield as we come into that Fed decision, 1.826%. So we start things off. Let's take a look at the VIX this morning. Quite a number on the S&P yesterday, of course, right near record territory. We have the VIX right now, trading at $1322. Start things off. We'll jump over the charts. And of course, that S&P yesterday closed negative by 2 points, so not exactly a record close, but we only need to close 2.5 points higher on the S&P for yet another record close. Jumping over the charts, we'll start things off with the Dow. Currently trading $27,047. NASDAQ 100, trading a bit higher, $8,069. We get Apple earnings after the bell tonight. Should be interesting. S&P 500, $3,037. Back things up to the close of yesterday. You're hovering right pretty much where you were almost a point higher, basically, in the S&Ps. Crude oil market, a little bit of volatility. Currently trading at $55.31. There's your gold contract. Just was at a pre-market high of $14.97. Currently trading at $14.94. And the Euro-US dollar trading at $1114. In terms of what else you have happening in the market, we get private payrolls this morning as well. That number coming in at $125,000. The expectation had been for about $100,000. But what kind of pair some of that gains, some of that beat, is that September payrolls revised down by $42,000. So keep that in check. GDP number rising at 1.9% in the third quarter as consumers continued to spend slightly down from the 2% pace in the second quarter. A better than expected print was the result of continued consumer spending. Pretty remarkable. And what else you have going on out there? How about baseball? World Series. We got a game seven tonight. The Nationals versus the Astros. First time in the history of Major League Baseball. And I think almost any major sport, NHL, as well that all the road teams have won so far. Stay tuned, folks. Larry Pesimento coming up right now. It's Fed Day. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.


All right, and now it's online um so I'm uh sorry I'm a little late today um I had a busy weekend uh which we can talk about later on a not recorded channel um So today is the uh for better or worse it is the theoretical end of milestone one and as as you both know we're not there yet um not exactly not exactly so let me let me share my screen uh google hangouts would let me share my screen that would be great it doesn't look like it wants to let me do I can take over I think if needed just tell me yeah why don't you share your screen opening uh do you want to open as you post the the board and the uh the github repo that's what I had opened okay so I can share the whole screen just not the window so normally you should see my screen now yeah you can see that so and I had also opened that um so we go to the evergreen repository yeah and a PR or something no just uh down in the read me I had an outline of what milestone one was and if you're right in hands now I guess now I get what you wanted to show yeah we zoom into that um perfect it's huge all right um so I sense uh or I wrote a blog post last Friday for in my time and I don't know if the t-store um probably you had seen it I'm actually given you know given how much work we've been doing and how we had anticipated having one more person working on this a person yet to be hired at clubbies um I'm actually quite pleased with the progress that we've made because we've got we've got sort of the basics package we don't have them all connected and working correctly um we've got the design of the error telemetry um on the client side and based on your comments in in Gitter Batiste the server side stuff is what you're working on now so uh yeah I guess I'll give status just after or you want me to talk a bit more in there that's fine no we'll get a diss status a little bit um we're really the the pre-baking of configuration that's that's there in some basic level um and then the updates and the version stuff that's working in progress and I think that's I think it's moving along well um we've got a I think a decent design out there I think the client is completely ready for um for those updates to to start being applied from the the snapshotting system but I think we're very close that's what I'm getting at I think it's um tying up some loose ends um I guess we have the 80% of work done which means it's that last 20% that's going to take us exactly why are you right why are things together how can how can how hard can it be um um so I guess uh if you want to bounce over to the uh to the JIRA board we might as well go through some of some of the stuff that's that's going on do you want to start out Ro maybe I'm going to show the closed ones Ro yeah so for my part you know I've been working on the developer workflow oh uh I'm Jenkins 50540 and Jenkins 5061 the P the P request is already there uh just waiting for March this but I can't put that on on review there is one P request that adds the runway J another one that runs the PCT uh just the runs don't use get custom word package and get 305 there are another ticket for that when I can do that with um this is all happening within the get plugin repository right now correct yeah okay no sorry go ahead um I guess one of the the questions that I wanted to ask uh while you pull something up um is this tooling far enough along so where Baptiste could pull it into another plugin like the build trigger batch plugin for example or is it not ready for that yet well it's ready to get the plugin but it's not to get the complete workflow we want I mean this this is not getting the full latest released version of essentials and using the custom word packages to generate a custom word file with all the latest versions in a deterministic way to run the P and the PCT so there is a previous step to what is already there which is being able to be a custom word with all the decided versions in another deterministic way because now it's uh one in the 88 within the update yeah right um on the custom word packages side we have uh tasks uh to integrate with GEP 305 I mean deployment of incrementals I hope to handle it within the next two weeks so that we will have tooling for both deployment and for using uh this releases and custom word packages but yeah the main thing is we depend on that um all plugins used in essentials need to be updated to the latest parent form so the changes created by jesse get applied without that it doesn't really make sense to even try a custom word packages now because it just doesn't pick the versions you would use is that is that a requirement for all of the top level dependencies or all of the transitive dependencies and plugins as well all transitive dependencies as well so yeah if you want to ship all latest you need to modify a parent form for everything so I just suggest you did the new release of plugin form on Friday and it needs to be in every plugin well there are other changes it's not just the parent form but well I mean it depends on what you're actually trying to accomplish so if you switch metadata to incrementals format that means you're able to do publish binaries from individual commits but whether those are actually used by a particular test suite depends on how that test suite is configured um so I didn't see anything get plugin pr for example that would directly use that let me ask this question a slightly different way if I wanted to take the latest for what is arguably called Jenkins pipeline that suite of plugins right um what work do we need to do to get to where um we could consume that latest well if you just a need the latest uh from the master branch you or from whatever other branch you can do it now in custom work packaging you just define this latest branch as a source the problem that this latest versions won't be tracked and won't be published to incremental releases so that you won't have a traceability so what you actually test well like that's the the custom work package or stuff is not what I'm getting at it's really that like for me it's some the the latest has to be in the incrementals repository in order for us to ship it um yeah and so I'm just I'm trying to get a sense of what are the what's the outstanding worker like what are the tickets to where pipeline for example we could say is fully published in the incrementals repository for consumption and testing of course well in that case I mean all of those plugin repositories would need to be switched to the new metadata format um there's also the uh there's also a problem that currently we're only able to publish binaries from pull requests not from right um which is not critical I think since you'd have to at least prepare that work in a pull request to even see if it isn't broken um but then we would need to so if you wanted it for example if you wanted the yaml file in the evergreen repository to pin particular versions of those plugins then you could do so as soon as all of those plugins had their metadata appropriately edited you know when you refer to the metadata are you referring to the repo permissions or uh that's part of it but then in the plugin repository itself it needs it needs a new parent palm and then it needs a few edits to the palm and some associated files so there's the little developer's guide created as part of the incrementals work that gives the steps you have to take to switch it over okay um but we don't currently have a tool for I guess looking up the expected version number um the expected version number so well so if you wanted a tool to say attach the yaml file in the evergreen repository to be the currently latest commit and master for all of those plugins we don't yet have a tool to look that up are you referring to the to the email I sent on Friday to the dev list uh no I haven't read that yet well it sounds like it sounds like we might be on a similar wavelength okay well I'll read that and that might be a task you'd have to put into the essential into the um incrementals epic yeah but uh once uh maybe have an update center for incrementals then we can pull it using the existing tooling I don't know I have no plans on pointing the update center generation towards that incremental repository okay go ahead um and just just for your background only part of the reason that I'm fairly strongly against that is we had significant I would say load challenges that were difficult to diagnose in Artifactory because of how heavily how heavily um uh the the churn was in the releases repository and Artifactory's indexing was taking uh quite a long time we uncovered issues in Artifactory that fortunately JFrog had fixed um but it took us probably four weeks to get that done because it's sort of a black box if something goes wrong yeah I remember the story I mean so we don't want to repeat it in the incrementals yes yeah I mean for um yeah for incrementals I don't see any reason to use the Artifactory index anyway I mean part of the point is to get away from using the Artifactory index right well so Jesse maybe after this um just to keep us moving along we can follow up I just want to make sure I've got the appropriate scope of if I were to start take like the the test automation work is going on the get plugin and that's moving along well um if I wanted to start taking incrementals and of blue ocean and pipeline for example those I think are going to have the biggest impact for for the teams working on those if we can start to consume those more rapidly um just what's the delta in work to where we could reasonably um pull those in that's all I want to get scoped out so I have an idea of what I can maybe beg Andrew to work oh yeah yeah maybe I should sync up with Andrew about that um I mean there's um there's also a conversation we'll have with the pipeline team about what jinking baselines are appropriate but that's a little bit of orthogonal I think because you can do incrementals even when you're not picking up an incremental version of core even when you're using old LTS but what I'm thinking is if um if Raul and Oleg have some there's some connections to be made between what Raul's working on and the customer package or stuff that uh that Oleg's been working on well that's going on maybe you um Andrew and I can bridge the gap for pipeline to sort of get pipeline ready to be consumed and tested um and that may I think that'll reduce some of the wall clock time for getting this work done yeah what I would like to see very roughly is is some simple tool you could you could run where you have a if you have a checkout of evergreen then you could just say run this tool and it would inspect all of the repositories that go into it and propose updates for all of the plugins that are listed there um updates you mean github like parent pom etc no that it would say okay um evergreen is currently bundling you know such and such uh but I think master branch now has such and such commit you're you know applied yes yeah you should read the email I sent on Friday and then we can talk about that because we're 100% on the same we've like that never happened is it an infrastructure and they developed our mailing list it's on the developer mailing list it was just a follow-up to the bill of materials thread that Carlos had started okay oh okay just failed to read it for sure um I I sent it Friday afternoon my time so oh was it just a response to the thread from Carlos yes oh that one I read okay um so we got Raul um Baptiste you want to go tell us what's up yeah so basically last week we we there was many PR many the JEPs ongoing and many things going on evergreen but on my side I mainly worked on the client side I think it was mergerally last week the JEP for the client side of pushing the error logging and since then but I've been out a bit I've been working on the server side barring others other issues on my on my side learning not js I most most I would say don niche because now I think by ish I mean that it kind of works now but I know I need to make it works for real with with checks and so and I think because right now I can push whatever I want so I think overall and you know over time I think we should you know begin to be more picky about what is acceptable on the server side thing pushes oh by the way I didn't write I don't start writing the any kind of JEP for the server side I guess we should do that or do you think for the server side it's maybe more an IEP no no no I definitely read a JEP the IEP stuff is for you know stuff that you would be writing in my puppet or terraform or in any case it's not in the wrong order in any case because I still need to prototype and so on to have some matter for for filing any kind of JEP so anyway it's the right direction um and I need probably some think sync with you Tyler indeed on the uh how do we make it testable and hackable on uh locally on a developer machine on the server side yeah exactly and kind of related related to what you said in your introduction today we need to start wiring things together uh so that it actually uses things locally even when developing a nevergreen which now is mostly mocked so well yeah that's it um with the with the server side of that error telemetry api have you given much thought to um how developers should consume these errors or how we should be where we should be sending them next after we receive them uh not lot not enough I think I yeah but I was thinking for instance should we have different endpoints or only one for error logging you know and use a different let's say type field to push I don't know things from Jenkins things like the evergreen client things like I don't know the system log uh well there's not really system logs in the docker container but anything new for instance if we introduce in the future any kind of reverse proxy for instance we could push logs from from it error logs from from from there uh or you know many endpoints as I said so I'm not sure yet and then we would probably process those in a different way because they wouldn't they wouldn't be pushing the same exact same JSON or something but yeah not enough yet to to dig on okay um the reason I bring that up is uh early early on when I was prototyping some of uh evergreen out I was planning on just shooting uh errors straight from the client to sentry uh sentry.io and one of the things that I've been debating whether we should do is we still want to own that endpoint like we want error logs to come into into the back and services um but for ease of use it might make sense for us to then relay those to a service like sentry. Yeah so for your information you've written that in in uh in some of the tickets saying we should end on the endpoint indeed and possibly later or now I don't know yet send things outside for instance uh what I think we discussed some time ago maybe also the GC logging for instance uh we could push that to some external service where some experts for instance and they would analyze and you'll be be able to trigger some analysis and so on so yeah that's can be interesting to discuss um will you do me a favor and will you um maybe set up some time to talk with Olivier about some of the error logging work that he had done originally when I he started working on Jenkins infrastructure we looked at some log aggregation for infrastructure services um and just talk to him about what we have right now in our kubernetes infrastructure for uh handling logs from services we might have something we can take advantage of there right um okay and I guess I'm I'm last I think yeah um so the stuff that uh most of the stuff that I was working on last week as as I hope you all saw was some of the update level um processes and how are you gonna incorporate updates to the actual instances um some of that stuff I I have um wired on the server side so the the update levels the data is all being shuffled around correctly what I started to get into last Friday which is what prompted the email to the bill of materials thread was how I'm gonna actually like there's two integration points there's Essentials YAML has to turn into updates in the in the database and then the client has to consume those in some reasonable way and so while I while I wait to figure out some of the versioning or some of the um tooling stuff as as we were alluding to earlier Jesse I'm just gonna wrap up the client side of um storing the update level and making sure that we have uh the right information there but I think honestly I think assuming that the tooling isn't going to be overly complex and doesn't take more than a day to get something basic working um I think at least on somebody's laptop we can be shipping updates this week because I think all the pieces are there famous last word sizzling this week will be the week for sure yeah yeah actually regarding tooling I'll follow up on the thread because I think we can uh get benefit from some stories and maybe work around uh the need to update each plugin so I will follow up with Jesse to understand the incremental release more we have a story for deployment to incremental releases from custom work packages and actually if it works we may close the gap at least for the hub for the story without updating plugins but no warranty that it can really work and to understand it I have to talk to you with Jesse right um so I don't think that there's anything that I'm working on that I'm I'm blocked on except for the discussion around the tooling with with Jesse Baptiste is there anything that I'm blocking you on not really but I think you know much more than me on the uh Node.js and uh feather.js so yeah if you if you can possibly either show me how you're doing it already or how to wear things you know locally to be able to test things and maybe write you know as I said in on the chat kind of end users uh kind of ask acceptance testing I would say um from you know triggering the actual instance uh in Jenkins uh in the container like we do now and check that uh the for instance the error logging service do or service does receive the the warning the warnings and so on for instance we um will you add a ticket into this milestone about the integration testing and just incorporating some basic level of integration testing yep yep not noted um yeah and in in the like in the next hour or two I have to I have to go to an appointment so we could jump on a hangout later today or early tomorrow morning my time later today it works for me okay roller are there any things that um we're blocking one or I can help with one is it seems there are no windows nodes and shell code can't control that I mean my you're supposed to read this second block I can't really understand what you're saying you say that there are no more windows agents on ti.txt.io is it not provisioning them again I don't know what is happening I only know you're supposed to be plugging this stale since yesterday I mean it's trying to find a windows node honestly there is no windows node yeah this looks like a this is a this looks like a familiar problem in our infrastructure so we'll take a look at this after after the meeting other than that uh person does just a general comment if we are going to bring the flow to more plugins and it will be great a way to test the engine files on the pure request because at this moment I'm just appearing the pure request to my own plugin where I am a trusted source so maintainer can see working but this doesn't escape so it's not blocking it's not very important at this moment but maybe it's something to think about um yeah so tomorrow uh Raul if you ping uh Batiste he's the maintain the reason that I mentioned the build trigger badge is he's the maintainer of it and it's a very small and simple plugin to where if you wanted to test some of the the PCT or ATH work that you're doing with that it might be a much smaller surface area than the git plugin um if you wanted to compare and contrast no I have I have my own plugin for oh right yeah you've got the status notify plugin yeah that's true so but maybe a bit strange for some maintainers to see you know they would like to see but that is not blocking anyone so that's something for the future yeah I have created some demo pipeline unit things for gington's cintro pipeline library when I was working on my conference talks in December but I have not even created full requests for that so maybe at some point yeah yeah can you send me the link to that or yeah I can try to find it it's somewhere in my branches okay don't worry I'll be granting the two of you access to merge to the pipeline library um I'm fine with sharing maintenance of that um and then you two should be able to do some topic branches for more testing on cijang and sayo okay perfect and now you know who will be fixing color stuff that's nice now I'm going to be able to break another master right all right with that I don't know if there's anything else that we need to discuss for today okay I didn't want to to put you the thread but it's the same in France tomorrow really another holiday Francis killing me public holiday yeah so you're the only ones who work tomorrow I'm working half days today and tomorrow Europeans plus east gasters let's see it's the chivalrous labor day we don't work go figure okay well I guess I'll uh I'll be very lonely tomorrow and I'll look forward to to sing you all on Wednesday see you later today for me we can think about what we said okay sounds good I'll see you later bye