Okay, so while we're getting connected, we're going to just get started, so we have planned on putting out a little questionnaire to get a sense of, you know, what are the most pressing legal issues that you guys see. So we're going to just do this out loud and raise your hands, and then we can talk about it and get a sense of what's going on with it before. So, first one, do you think your DAO is a legal, i.e., operating outside the existing legal framework? Operates outside the law. Do you mean the rules of nation states? You're doing a wonderful job. So we mean, you know, kind of a misconception, a perception that, oh, because you've deployed something on code, you've made private contracts between individuals, and there's no specific law that you think has reached or should have reached, but you can somehow operate in this state. So by law, specifically, it's kind of a legal system associated with the nation state? Yes. Okay, so not just legal framework, please. Actually, I was just thinking about it. If they're not registered anywhere, then they do not have to comply with any regulations. So regulations, meaning legislations associated with the nation state apparatus? Yes. By regulation, you mean legislation associated with the nation state apparatus? Yes. State law. State law. Okay, so this is a question about legal framework that's in state law. Okay, great. Great. If so, it's a very different answer than if you just mean law. Law is a God. For example, national law. That's coming. I don't think it is. I don't know if I agree with the last thing you said, but yeah, I get what you're talking about. Common laws depend on the jurisdiction. Anyway, we should not hide that, which is what we're trying to do a little bit. They don't like to play games, that is. I think that you guys can just deploy code and figure things out, and then you can grow, and then at some point, you know, figure out a lot later. So again, I mean, yes, just because you mean specifically very narrow definition of law. Okay. You're saying it's for the rest of the questions. I assume that what you're referring to law is state law. Okay, yes. I don't think that it applies as though it is not state law. If I would have said it's international law, would you have the answer to be difficult? Yeah, I mean, so we're going to have to guess. Like, nation-state law? Like, no. So international law. International law. International law. Absolutely global law. International law. Absolutely. I mean, the powers are absolutely acceptable. So what nation-state law is doing? You know, this is your opinion. This is your judgment. Okay, guys, thank you so much. We'll have the discussion within the national law now. Okay, how many of you guys have a legal rapper? Me too. Key word from it. Yeah, it's a token that we think is a scary token that counts a legal rapper. Yeah, I'm sure you just have to share it. But you have a corporation that is involved. I don't have a name for that. Any part of the presentation? Yeah, actually, it's fine. We planted it in the audience. We're all one.  Yeah, it does like a doubt with a security token where the company documents, reference, the contract counts a legal rapper. But the DAW is it basically within the company? Because we trained the companies of some kind of legal rapper. Is the DAW outside of that company? Are you guys incorporating a jurisdiction? Does the company own the DAW? Does the company own the DAW? Yeah. Does the company own the DAW? Actually, we have three people out of 16 who have a rapper. I just came in. Did you redefine what a legal rapper means in this discussion? We did, actually. Yeah, we did. Legal rapper, in what we mean by legal rapper, is pretty wide. It is a company, a corporation, an LLC, a mutual, a cooperative. Anything that allows you to have legal personality within the legacy legal system. So, do you have a legal rapper? Your DAW, does it have a legal rapper? I don't have a DAW. Okay, thanks for the question. My DAW has a legal rapper. And so what is the legal rapper saying? So it's not having to be a company itself. It's not a contract. Oh, yeah. Okay, can your DAW buy real assets and hold title real assets? So when you say DAW, are you referring because people use the term ambiguous? Many people use it to refer to the deployed smart contract, which I disagree with because it's a smart contract. Really what the DAW is, it's some sort of, you know, it could be a tacit agreement, but it's some sort of pairing of an agreement with a smart contract. So the code is augmenting the organization, but it's not the same thing. Is that how you're using the term? So actually, we've had these very long discussions on what is the definition of a DAW is more than a smart contract, the same as a smart contract. In this case, I think we're talking more about this kind of larger, you know, there's also this problem of the DAW only exists in the series of smart contracts, but the idea of the DAW, the project, the participants obviously encompass more layers. Right, but the organization is that broader. Exactly, so we're talking more about the broader thing. So then, yeah, it can buy. Well, it sort of depends whether... But a person must do that. Right, a person, yeah, a particular set of smart contracts. Exactly, but a person can or a legal person can. If you just, depending on the nature of the social agreement, there may be a legal person, maybe a partnership, it could be an actual formal entity, but it should, if it exists as a legal person, it can buy, or sort of the group can buy and it can become like, you know, a tendency in common in the property. Right, so in this case, where we have two out of, let's say, 16 in this room we have some sort of legal wrapper, that legal, that persona, that legal personality would be the one that would buy the real assets. But in all of the other cases, it would be... I'm not so sure. Because you're wearing a part of the lots of stuff that would be a legal wrapper, a lot of the time, right? No, no. So, but maybe, but even sometimes just a group of people getting together, if they don't specifically disclaim otherwise, are deemed to be a legal entity. Unassociated. Yeah, so even if there's not a legal person, or a partnership, yeah, there still could be a legal person and that could apply. But the partnership itself wouldn't usually be a legal person. So the doubt is on the doubt. You're one of the partners in this. I think that is the doubt. Yeah, I think that is the doubt. You know, if the consequence of this group of people getting together and using the smart contract on the legal layer, if that's a partnership, then yes, that partnership could go out in my property and in fact, it may be doing so all the time. In some ways, maybe. So people don't realize that that's what's going on in the legal environment. But partnership is just about the worst legal structure you can use because you have unlimited liability and incoherent and uncrystallized and you don't recommend it because... Right. But it doesn't depend, I think the key point is just because you have a legal wrapper, you don't have a legal wrapper, doesn't mean you don't have a legal liability. You might. You might. You might actually want liability. You'd be much more credible if you're not on the line. I agree. I agree. You might want to use your... I've incorporated partnerships most of the time. They don't have legal personalities themselves. In terms of the majority of the musicians, they...you buy only half. You actually...the contracting is done on the level above. The persons who are the partners not the partnership itself. But again, if someone is in a partnership, they can go out, they can buy property on behalf of the partnership. The partnership is mine, the problem. So you're right, at a more mechanical level, the way that's rationalized is slightly different because what they're actually doing is they're going out and they're binding individually each partner, and that creates a collective effect. But it still is best conceptualized as like the legal person of the partnership, you know, partners. But then that creates a trust that goes to litigation. I've actually done complex partnership litigation before.  So isn't the default legal entity also a legal rapper in itself? It depends. It depends on which jurisdiction you are. It depends on where... In the majority of jurisdictions, the default general partnership will not have on its own legal personality.  So in that respect, you wouldn't. Okay, so this is something you only discovered at X-post enforcement, you know, and that sort of thing. So in the eyes of the visibility of the legacy legal world, the person who's holding title might be individual, which is in this foreign partnership. And it's only later, you know, when you're looking at what rights and duties arise from this particular group of individuals and their actions, do you then... Is it deemed actually a partnership? As you've seen, common law jurisdictions which is English, American law jurisdictions. Well, civil law jurisdictions, France, Germany, China, Japan, situations probably different. Any civil laws? Very similar. Is it very similar? Actually, the difference between civil and common law in my opinion is very much overstated. So I'm qualified actually to be U.S. and in Germany. Okay. So there is space. But the adversarial and lucritorial systems as well as the certainty of finding previous judgments, it's very different. But in practice, the difference is very small. That's my... But that's a different... It's for businesses, in practice also. In practice for businesses. But it doesn't escape sometimes you have the seek action. You know, I just know how about this right now, so let's focus on the topic at hand. You know, we wanted to just ask these questions to kind of get ourself to prepare what the bigger issues are we have to look at in this workshop. So I think we should just go to the next question. Can you dial all crypto assets and hold title to those? Yes. Who agrees with this? That's just a variation of the previous question, right? Of course it can hold crypto assets, but whether it can hold title is just same as question 3. I think the issue with title comes down to private key ownership. Who has access to that private key? No, possession is 9th that's the law, but... But what do you mean by that? Control is actually an operation, right? But ownership is a legal stock exchange in terms of control or something. If the jurisdiction that's a legal rapper doesn't recognize crypto assets as assets, but it can still technically hold them, the question is does the legal... the crypto asset question involve legal title or not? Yes. Is it legal title question? Or is it an asset... We're just going to have to think about... We're just going to have to think about the difficulties with this question. I mean, the reason why it's changed like that is because, yeah, the difference in title and the point is because the legal point is different between control and actually have a guide into those assets and to answer the gentleman's question. But if your jurisdiction does not recognize crypto assets and you're not holding any assets, right? That's true. So, no. Legally no. But crypto assets... But in practice... Crypto assets... In practice... Does your doubt fall under any... I mean, is your doubt falling attractive and attached to any geographical jurisdiction? Other than the ones... I mean, we have the legal wrapper that two people love and doubt with legal wrapper. Does anyone else think that their doubt is not incorporated or has no legal wrapper? Is it attached to any geographical jurisdiction? And if so, how could they be attached to it? Is it attached to every constituent member in the legal jurisdiction? So, some total? Yeah. Oh, great. So, your doubt should set a jurisdiction? Yeah, yeah. Let's see. Because, I mean, you know, like, this comes back to the question we mentioned earlier, sometimes people in the space think that if they're not attached to anything, they are not falling under any law, but in fact they're falling under any law. It's just the other way around. But there's specifically space law, right? Space law is like... There's also international space law. Yeah. Yes, but we're not talking about space law yet, so... Who would think about space law and would be surprised if it does fall under space law or not? And then you have another completely different discussion on space law. Yeah. If you just look at, like, jurisdictions from a national space space... Yeah. So, that's what I'm trying to get out of that whole thing. But you know the whole discussion on, like, getting a framework for falling under space law is much... You're not dead yet. I think what he's saying is pretty much what you're saying. So, when you said that every now you've actually fallen under every jurisdiction that just means that there's no risk to risk. There's just... Everything belongs to all people already. When you create a law, it's already under all global jurisdiction. So, this is how it happens in international waters. This is what happens on Antarctica. This is what happens in space law. So the analogy actually makes sense. But the factors in all these jurisdictions that have something to say would say, well, no, this doesn't fall. I'm not going to do this space law. We're talking about a state jurisdiction. So, in a way, I mean, you're trying to be more practical at that level. And I just embrace the concerns that exist right now. I think I'm totally in favor of driving the space law especially forward. Does any of you have doubts on digital or virtual jurisdiction? What is a digital or virtual jurisdiction? Some doubt providers claim that they are in themselves a digital jurisdiction. Can you name and shame them? I'm not into that. What is your, I guess I wonder, what is your concept of beyond it being a claim, is there any validity to it or does it just basically, is it just a fancy way of describing two bipartisan rules? I think the moment any of the words and any of those digital jurisdiction is any possible through the New York Convention then it would actually become something real. But then that would just mean that it's something like a nation state. We're not as far as I know we have a bridge to that position. But there are people in the space working very hard on trying to make this work. I'm actually quite... And actually there are some examples that we have of non-state law nonetheless being recognized by states in particular situations. Is that a specific example? Sharia law. But Sharia law is state law, customary law which is a different category as well. On a virtual jurisdiction basis it is. It is a typical Sharia law in Malaysia there are Sharia laws and parallel law systems for certain classes Sharia law is not as much as one Sharia law there are Sharia laws they are very different but there is for example and that plays in here there are rules of laws and that's for example that are now used as like their contracts are state the law of... the contract is governed by their office standards and arbitration is supposed to be there without actually having and dedicating a nation state jurisdiction. And in that way... There comes out the enforcement so where are you able to enforce and with Sharia law caught it always comes out as Sharia caught enforcement. No, but this for example so if you're most Islamic law Islamic finance documents are... I'm familiar with that Commissar's positions So if you look at Islamic finance a lot of those contracts now say there are office standards because they're like you know it's coming out of the rain and then this is actually enforced by the English courts Because the English courts have chosen to give that credit between two parties who agree to contract with where was the Court of Jurisdiction where you said which Court of Jurisdiction But I think she's saying that it's theoretically possible that something could be done either on an international basis But that was between two private individuals contracting into because you can say I want to try this in the Court of Tabari according to the material The point is that arbitration if you choose arbitration you can choose your rules of law you can choose the rules of that procedure And your point is that yeah but this still needs enforcement and those are the gatekeepers, right? Because people can't agree with that But people enforce private international law People submit to that enforcement But the states allow you to actually contract out of the legal system States do between two private individuals subject to illegality and other things So private international law and the conflict of laws is just deciding which laws apply and in which situation So you can do various forms of It's also a contract and disputes between private individuals internationally That's what you call private international law conflict of laws So I don't think that's just conflict of laws It's also conflict in trade disputes It's conflict of laws Americans call it conflicts of law but the rest of the world is private international law It's the same thing So in America it's all about conflicts of law but conflicts of law are depending on the nation's state So Germany is different from the private international law rules than the US So maybe we went to the next question We should move on to the next question Can you doubt Brent's office space in its name? Can I just say Of all it seems to me that most of the rest of the questions had most of the questions in total Just come back to whether the doubt is a legal personality or not Which is just a way of saying does it have a legal background Yeah I mean you know we see that there seem to be quite a lot of experts on here It's more about framing the issues and how we approach that one point So this was originally supposed to just be an introductory thing where it's like here are the issues that we start thinking about Brent Yeah we come to that So we just calm down a little bit get to the actual instead of arguing with each other This is what happened This is why people avoid it One of the questions in this question is just setting a few states and then we go to the more basic intro and the things we think we need to do work on that law So I mean if you've said that these questions we got there we don't need to continue it then we start that now and we go to another person or another person I didn't like this Read through them really quickly We don't have to debate As a thought experiment you guys don't need to answer or we can go through it Yeah so for example can you dial an office base comes back to the video's reputation can you dial higher employees who are taxable in different jurisdictions and they are actually quite interesting in DORC it's pretty difficult to do this if your employees aren't in different jurisdictions I mean they're all yeah I mean they decided to do kind of the anti-contracting so but you still have to Can you dial open a traditional bank account in your jurisdictions when it comes back to that question can you dial a taxes does your DORC need to pay social security contributions while you employ people probably yes but maybe not able to because they're not clear about that should you do a personal legal liability based on your role as a court developer designer architect legal counsel for content writer and some of the options tell what do you think which roles should there be liability as well as huge people probably don't want liability right I guess I don't know I don't know yes you said it would be great to have liability yeah can't do it yeah because that way you can show people that you know they can trust you to not screw them yeah I think that's that's a you know there's this big spectrum between having a heavy hammer of the law imposing all this liability and having this completely free space that is unregulated by but those are but if I decide when I have liability that's a lot that's a free time for me right it makes me freer if I can say when the legal system manages me then it you know it gets to decide what if we have certain just but that's but that's where sort of the choice of legal wrapper comes in right the reason why most public companies are in corporations because they scale very easily because they have clear defaults not waverable if you share the duties on the party boards or directors and that and in their words much easier for people to trust them so it's it's kind of like a package deal then you can do LLCs have major restrictions you can waver away the most all you know responsibilities with LLCs it's kind of like what's the use case that's going to happen like right now developers all are like well they think they're doing that but they're really not their lawyers their lawyers write liabilities but it's possible in most use cases they try they try that's all I'm saying in Europe they're likely never trust them and if you if you they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not it's not only about the rules it's also about the actions that you're liable for so I mean it depends we spoke before that tourists are always probably going to be falling under the liability but I mean it's not that all actions are going to be something that people are caring about so you think it should be much more it depends on the actions the other that should be liable it's the yeah yes on a high level when a DAO should be a corporation versus an LLC versus like in terms of like what I guess the DAO is focused on is the DAO is focusing primarily on being enterprise then should be like is it like based on the scale if the DAO is just supposed to be like decision making for some in terms let's say like art or music or something that could turn a profit but it's not like the primary motive is it better to be a collective or something like corporate governance and like that's all one of them had awards but we would be able to go over the different like benefits and stuff like that so we're going to kind of get to the in a presentation that follows the sort of your name we're going to kind of talk about this but one of them is you know on one hand you have you have this particular structures like you know corporation you have certain governance procedures that interest you know you need to have certain things like segregating funds capitalization so these are all kind of traditional legal requirements you have a jurisdictional hook so you're locating your home bases and some jurisdiction so these are all kind of enactment to the way DAOs work today you have you want free people without having to participate from all over the world you want a decentralized governance structure not one where you have a clearly identified CEO COO et cetera so you're seeing many different attempts to bring this decentralized space and somehow shoehorn that into these these legal boxes and because precisely what this did not say was that these legal boxes provided certain kinds of legal circumstances and protection to say okay we need to follow these little boxes and check boxes and conform to these rules do we and one of the thought experience that we're doing and we're trying to do is figure out what are these legal what are the kind of the goals behind these mechanisms these rules and how do we meet these in a technological context in such a way that we can maybe create a model law that meets the goals which justifies these protections while retaining the kinds of features that we want DAOs to continue to have so bridging that gap is a large part of this work and we'll get more into it and say you know and follow on your question that there very much depends on what you are supposed to do how you want how is structured in the code as to what is in the world right now it's very different than having a grant giving DAOs when the DAO that actually holds a decentralized exchange has the controlling operating powers in a decentralized exchange so there are differences and it depends on what you want to do the options to have on that we just continue on through this and then we get to our part can your DAO fight a lawsuit in court if you don't believe the rubber but no do you think you can be sorry I don't know that the answer is a simple no no I mean sorry I don't want to keep answers to this sure yeah I just I have no problems giving you all the questions or whatever but I don't think it's certain I don't think I think I think I think I think because people would be sued would be the the person in the DAO not the DAO itself sure they would be they would like they would have to yeah the group if you could sue the full group and they're jointed separately liable I mean to me it seems kind of too cute by half to say you can sue the person but not the DAO the DAO is a collection of persons but what usually happens is that the person who is the most hanged the nearest available person the person who is the person who is most easily identified the person who is most easily identified imagine that no one is identifiable and they can't identify them that's okay it would just be no point if you're not identified by them that's not necessarily that's not true they might have they might have assets somewhere identifiable exactly they could do assets but then it's difficult to wait for them you can't you can't actually you can't no I don't know the point is that there is no right or wrong answer there is a right or wrong answer I don't think I don't think I mean you can't you won't know until you get sued and then you hold that you should debate it's not decided there is it's what you're saying there's no decidable answer there is a little answer it's just not said there is an answer but why do you deal with that uncertainty it's going to depend on the fact that you're going to get the restrictions it's an exposed examination of all of these things and it's very unclear go this way go that way go that way I think it's a question of the world does your jurisprudence allow the creation of a legal entity that like wasn't created voluntarily that doesn't isn't associated with any particular people to be sued and so when you sue you know for example I can bring a some of these places you can bring a lawsuit on half of a river that was legal and maybe only three places you can do that it's right only three places India you can do that India because the thing is the idea of is that for a division you know how everywhere I know it states that where not people have to take this for something of a person cases of a temple person like it the temple doesn't exist anymore people have to put together and confirm that there is a temple and there are huge political fights around that for example there are many cases where temples have been turned to mosques and different groups So people claim, no one is doubting the personality, but what kind of personality is probably the difference. So and then in most cases, like for example, like the courtesism called in India, the actual statute, so unlike Sherry, every incarnation of God is different. So it's not like when you call a personality, it is the personality. So every instance is a different personality. And then taking part of the courtesism already, every part of the reward, has a different person responsible for it. So most of the rewards in forestry in India are for personality, but they consider minors. So there will be guardians who are taking care of them. So for example, in the kingdom of God, the pump is taking care of a certain family, the ears are not a family, the eyes are not a family, and this hierarchy. So the tongue to each we consider the most, if you look at two, take care of the tongues, get to decide over the ears and eyes, because of our religious problems. So that's why even if you have a personal identity, it's much more complex than a human's thing, because we usually say that it is one personality, it can have some personality, it can heal the human. So maybe India is not a good idea for all of them. No, it's a great idea. I think it's really good, because it demonstrates the flexibility of legal personality. I can, if there is no wrapper for you now, I can create one, and then I can sue it. We're gonna get into the presentation, the difference between legal personality and legal capacity, which are often collapsed, right? So later we can talk about it, the thoughts that depends on the logical assumptions. So for example, if you look at a soul, or the absence of those very different Abrahamic traditions, that's why you can have personality and personalities, which you cannot have in the Abrahamic conception of what the person is. Whereas what the person is in India, you can have capacity of agents, for example, so the Indian people don't work. You need to have the agency. Okay, so last two questions. Does your doubt comply with? KYC A and L loss. So does your doubt identify its levels? Tail does, yeah. Tail does, yeah. Tail does, okay. Identify meaning legal identity, like legal first name, last name. Social security number. Social security number? Yeah. Social security number? Yeah, it's very important. Oh, because they're employees. They're attending my contract. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay, do you think that voting rights holders of your doubt should have mandatory voting rights holders meeting? Is that just, they're starting to vote this? Basically, like in traditional corporate governance, in order to recognize that you have this legal personality and limited liability to not pierce that veil, you have to have certain kinds of procedures that protect contents of interest between the managers and the owners, vice versa, the middle share holders. One of these things is usually a mandatory meeting for people who participate after the consent and informed that sort of thing. Do you feel that that is also necessary or it's equivalent to the blockchain space which we are roughly terming as? That's very interesting. I always thought that it's the other way around. It depends on how a doubt actually works. There should be a legal entity form around that. So if a doubt, for example, functions like the general sentencing, then it's reasonable to form the rules around that that actually describe how the general sentencing functions and how these procedural rules are affected with all. And then here's some of the increasing of the week that happened and the decision that should be passed some way. And if it functions in form of having a lot of members, but then there's just a board member that actually creates the decision, then it might actually be that in partnership. Or if there's a whole board that takes the decision it functions like an LLC. But it's always about how the members are deciding that they're going to be governing themselves. We should apply the rules and we should apply the legal entity and we should form the procedures. In this case, if we say people who are participating in the governance should those members, whether it's the board or the entire general assembly, should it be required of dows to have these kinds of regular? Oh yeah, it depends how it affects the members. If it affects me as a member and it's a decision that somebody else took, then I would like them to be responsible for those decisions. If it affects me severely. If it does not affect me, but it's just a statement, then it's just a move on. It's not even necessary to have me there. So as a matter of due process, if you as a member are materially affected, you feel that you, which then also means you need to distinguish governance between people who have voting rights, tokens versus, but that might also include if we widen that circle, people who also vote for governance, yeah, right? So then that becomes a difficult situation. Okay, so we're done with the question of our thanks. We're gonna continue this feedback, hopefully, and get more when it's not 9 a.m. on the last day of the conference in Taiwan. So this is just an introduction to us. A lot of us are participants working in different areas of the space. We came together a few years ago to form a research and development community around how to create new legal frameworks, how to create new kinds of culture, that sort of thing. And so one of the projects that we've been working on, we've had a variety of working groups of the year is creating precisely because of this gap between the legacy legal system works and the way this infrastructure enables new kinds of participation, which might require a reclining of all of that. We come up with this project which is a Dow model law project. And we can go into the plan right now is to kind of go through what we see as the main issues and then if we have some time, maybe take a few minutes to break out into each component of the model law and have you guys brainstorm on what we can come up with as a technological guarantee or in the legal term of art, a functional equivalent to a traditional requirement such that we can map out a continuum of things that people can do to enjoy a spectrum of legal benefits and protections. That's the main idea. So, as you guys can see from the questionnaire, we've looked at why it's important to, why do we need to change the law? Because right now, the Dow's putting aside this unincorporated association general partnerships which are then looked at after the fact that things go wrong. Right now, taking away the exceptions, right now, Dow's can largely cannot own assets in its own name, enter into contractions own name, sewer be, outstanding to sewer be sued. And in absent all of that, the person who they're going to find when things go wrong is the nearest available human. So, right now, when Dow's, without a legal wrapper, or that, you know, they, the Dow's do not actually exist in the eyes of the law until after the fact, in fact, are my solid exceptions. It's largely, the law sees what the Dow is doing through what the participants are doing. What we see is that a lot of people in this space have done actually know what their life limit is because you can get a legal wrist when participating in a Dow, when joining as a reputation or voting rights voters in a Dow. No one thinks about it and no one thinks about Dow and Lyme, what can happen out of the world. So, you know, why is it important to solve these problems? Well, right now we have this unlimited liability. Never mind wanting limited liability. We have an unknown and unlimited liability today for all participants. In various jurisdictions. Right, we'll talk about this specifically.  I'm sure many of you guys have been involved in the projects that, where it's been very difficult to get a bank account, right? It's an extremely difficult proposition. You know, when you hire employees, with what entity do you hire that employee, right? And, you know, in the case where you create some sort of legal wrapper and that particular third party, whether it's a person or a company, contrasts with that legal wrapper, there's still the legal reality that exists and then there's the blockchain reality. So whatever the Dow is supposed to be operated by this code, but you have all of these other non-off-chain rules and procedures that power dynamics that are actually effectively in the Dow operates. And some jurisdictions have started to implement laws. So, for example, Malta, to give some kind of recognition to the Dow, so it's part of the framework. What we have ever noted is that what they're trying to do, I mean, what is now my personal opinion, Malta has very much turned the Dow into usual corporations by applying seven different parties to be intermediaries for that particular Dow. It's very expensive for anyone to register their Dow in the jurisdiction. This is in a way, it's part of a, I would still call it a top-down imposition of a new framework. And what would be, or now which would be important is creating something that is coming from the ecosystem where we actually can produce a better framework that is more suited to the Dow realities. Just sort of a foundational question. Sort of, you know, I agree with a bunch of this, but given that there are, you know, obviously there are, if the main issue, it seems like the main issue you're floating is people are getting together, they're using smart contracts, they're calling it now, and it's not clear if that has legal personality, it wouldn't be convenient if it did have legal personality. But there are lots of current solutions for giving something legal personality, right? That already exists under current law, limited liability partnerships, you know, limited liability companies, corporations, you name it. So why, you know, it seems like, and I'm sure you have a reason for it, but I'm wondering what the reasons are. It seems like a dramatic step to say we need a brand new way to create limited liability, I would start to create legal personality. Why are the existing solutions just totally inadequate? What specifically is so bad about them that we need to create a new way of having legal personality? And in the meantime, until it comes out, everybody's in the legal limbo, so why don't you just use existing structures to cover it off, and then, instead of waiting five or 10 years for this to happen? Well, I don't know that they're both legal. Why don't we do both of these things at the same time? I mean, this is not end or or, I mean, there are, at the moment, current structures and the best structures right now are in the United States. There are various people who are not in the United States or who do not want to be associated to two restrictions in the United States. It's also a very bad idea, for example, to register, if you're down, or it's like a decentralized exchange or whatever to register.


per box Are there autograph possibilities In this? Teddy? Are there auto? There's Daniel Vogelbach 75 out of 75 That's true Gotta believe someone right That is for Steve Herrick And the pirates These are both rays No randomizer here And we got Denilson LeMent 13 out of 50 That's for the Padres Dilo And we got a Spencer Torkelson For Daniel and Detroit Tiger uppercut Tiger Second half in the store Ladies and gentlemen if you want to run this back There are still early bird spots left Third As of this pack right here I think there are 12 early bird spots left I don't see any other orders coming in Nick placed an order for this very break Not too long ago Actually Josh Smith just picked up Two spots right now if you're watching live So if at least If at least you want to get an early bird spot And there are now 10 early bird spots left We randomize those 16 total names The first 16 that pick up spots As you saw a few moments ago in this video And then we randomize those names Aim On Top gets an extra spot A little buy one get one opportunity If the early bird gets the worm At least be an early bird With a little luck We might get another break going Alright we got Corey Seeger to 75 That's for the Rangers Tristan and Texas We got Jason Peterson George 15 out of 25 That's for the Brew Crew That's going to go to Josh Josh Schreiber that is We got two Josh S's We got a Smith and a Schreiber But Schreiber gets this one We got an NBA debut No MLB rookie debut Spencer Torkelson For Daniel and the Tigers And a Bobby with Junior rookie car That's for the Royals Devon, Kansas City These are online exclusives Is that one the That one they released first Or around there maybe shortly afterwards They actually cycle back to us Do we get an extra parallel I see another color downstairs There downstairs What is this a stack it's a building There's a Wanderfranco Rookie debut for the Rays Jesse and the Rays We got a Julio Deelo And Julio And behind Nick Sanzel Is an Eduardo Rodriguez 10 out of 10 Detroit Tigers Deelo, Daniel in Detroit Motor City And we got two more We got a green Jack Swinsky 3 out of 75 for the Pirates Steve H And the third parallel Is Nico Goodrum 37 out of 50 For Houston Anthony with the Astros Alright so A nice Nice three parallel box here Could we see maybe a rare autograph in here It doesn't give you eyes on autographs But There are the parallel autographs Penultimate box Good luck everybody Now maybe we'll find another one of those Joe Maybe the one of one No one has a basement to the Earth They'll build skyscrapers and tunnels Believe it or not Rex You can reinforce tunnels And skyscrapers better Than a single family dwelling Which could easily Pancake Think about skyscrapers They're able to withstand Hurricane force winds In fact there's a natural A natural sway To skyscrapers They're built in such a way that they can They can absorb Movement Some buildings are even non like Rollers Most single family homes are not Sergio Alcantara 14 out of 75 Diamondbacks, Shane Were they back to back breaks Wait these are half case breaks So are you saying that there were two in one case Or was it the second half Of one case and the first half of the next case There's Josh Winder 14 out of 25 Oh it was in Ben Baller Then hit a different one Out of this update sapphire That's kind of crazy What a night You want me to tell you the only way we were able to do that The only way we were able to do that Was because People like you Supporting us, joining our group breaks Giving us the opportunity To open these boxes And find big hits So thank you everyone for getting into the action Second half of this in the store right now jaskyscasebreaks.com Alright final box Good luck everyone, let's see what we got in here Golden green I was hoping for a Super That might be in the other half The green Is Ryan Yarbrough 55 out of 75 Are you going to Yarbrough Fair Parsley Sage, rosemary and thyme 55 out of 75 That goes to Tampa Bay That's for Jesse Remember that song? Yeah that was a banger That was on everyone's Radio I was blasting from everyone's record player There's Hunter Green Gold 43 out of 50 In 1966 When do you think That record came out?  There you go gang, that was the break It's Simon and Garfunkel, look it up Scarborough Affair Your parents will think it's cool These are cool too boys and girls So let's keep working on the second half Maybe pop that baby open tonight jaskyscasebreaks.com I'm Joe, I'll see you next time for the next one This fake rosemary Are you going to upload this video? Monetization on And that suitability No, sapphire is not part of this promo right? No it's not, it's the mixer The pitpacks and the Oh yeah, is that what the 11 through 20 demographic Are you going to say? I think that's the Rex demographic Is going to say that I could ask A hundred of the different kids That come into this shop and ask them If they know sound of silence by disturbed I'd be shocked If we get one That truthfully says yes The version kind of sucks Their version makes me realize Just how good the original Is by Simon and Garfunkel That's what that reminds me of Survey says Show me disturbed Alright I've got zero orders Last time I got it from Josh About 13 minutes ago for the sapphire 20 minutes ago from Nick 30 minutes ago we got a Mosaic choice order An hour ago We got a sapphire order We just got an order from Devin Who wants to go sapphire You want to do second half? Ladies and gentlemen, at least get an early bird If you're going to be in this break anyway The next sapphire break anyway One of the next nine Only the first 16 Can get early bird Possibilities You know, I have to admit That I was familiar with the Bangles version As well Before the Simon and Garfunkel Folks, we're down to the last hour-ish Of the show If you want to do something Now's the time to start getting some orders in Let's try to finish something off here I would love to do another one of these That finest is halfway there Let's get a few more teams moving in that Try to win some break credit Let's try to move Another filler To give away a few more of those hit pack spots 30 left there And that quick hit basketball mixer You know what, I think That's what I'm going to do I'm going to put that into a filler Let me throw away the trash here That's what I'm going to do We haven't seen that There will still be some spots to buy straight up But I think if we Kill some spots He wouldn't- He wasn't quit When you're alone in life That's making you lonely You can always go Alright, Josh Smith Gets four more spots That brings him to six Full spots Only five early bird spots left In the second half A sapphire I have to let Nick know that we were missing two boxes In that other case Come on Someone owes us two I don't know where we got these I know we were talking about inventory Weren't we? Rex and I were talking about inventory Keeping track of stuff It was sealed Right? It was sealed It's not resealed or anything One of the sides, the other side does look like There's an extra stuff For our team open- The one side does look like it was double taped So I'm wondering if our floor team Opened it up And then They resealed it for some reason Anyway I do not want seal in my I do not want seal in my department What was I going to do? I'd rather not have seal on my It's like You can't just sing that one hit Expect us to Ignore inventory issues We weren't born yesterday seal Wouldn't his jingle be sad? Do you usually do sad songs? Jewel would also write A sad jingle Isn't it, Rex? Yeah, Joe Christian thread It is a little ironic Don't you think? It's like Rain on your wedding day It's like a black fly in your chardonnay It's like some good advice That you just don't take Although many have Many have pointed out that None of those are ironies A little Joe Perry couldn't hurt No, that's also a sad song I don't know what kind of Jingles you like, Mike Tower But Jingles tend to be Happy themes At BK Have it your way Ba-da-ba-ba-ba I'm loving it It's all inside There are some good jingles, Mike You gotta work on your jingles For some reason the sad song is Cause it is a sad song That's not for some reason, cause it is a sad song Alright So now there's only eight full spots to go Plus two fillers where we're giving eight spots away So $23.99 could help you win an $80 spot And top eight Will win Not a bad return Or that will count towards the promo as well Also Ernest when he sings jingles I'm not familiar with that song But that sounds like a sad song as well I'm not sure Maybe Ernie is suffering from Clinical depression Maybe he should talk to someone and get that checked out Until I saw a YouTube video on Top 10 Muppet Show hosts I remember Debra Harry singing Rainbow Connect Debra Harry RIP I think Oh for a second I thought you were talking about Ernie, not Ernest Remember how he was a thing? Not a fan of the Not a fan of the Ernest But like I don't know who was watching those movies Apparently people were I suppose it's the same I suppose It was the same demographic That Maybe enjoys Cable Larry the Cable Guy Or whoever it was Cable Guy stuff Stick, Jim Gaffigan I feel like it's that demographic This bad comedy People watch it though What about the break Sal? Which break? What are you referring to? Everything's close Sal That's eight spots away Two fillers That's 30 spots away That's halfway there That's 18 spots left With some early bird spots still available Flawless baseball 21 spots left Top's chrome black down to 7 Everything's close Jaspy'scasebrakes.com Browse around, get what you want Let's get another break going before 11 o'clock pacific Which is fast approaching There are running out of time If you want to squeeze in some breaks Let's make it happen And for sapphire fans There's only five early bird spots left So Even if you don't think this break is going to happen I think it could But even if you don't think it's going to happen At least lock in your early bird spot That would be the sharp play I mean it's almost going to take it Tomorrow You may as well grab it now It's an interesting Kroger playlist I want to Although I feel like In my head I feel like there's A team of people That hand curate this playlist But then I realized It's probably just It's probably just an algorithm now It's probably like Based on algorithms And test marketing And what you have the license to play Inside these stores At what times Of the day This is being played Guns and roses had They're going on tour apparently Because I saw a I don't know who was driving it But at the Daytona 500 There was a car Painting guns and roses Stuff So commercial about The guns and roses tour It really did go home Put a home run with that song Although there's some music To cover to that song Oh my god I saw a commercial Where there was like A family in a car singing that song Like now they've ran shots of that kind Hey CK Have it your way Yeah maybe they're I don't know But it's just Rex and his crew On the overnights It's not for customers Maybe it's for I don't know Sal picks up Red Sox Ben Baller And gets a spot in the Sapphire Sapphire 6 Which is the second half of this case That's right over here We got time, it's not a very long break We can fill that up rather quickly I think the price point is pretty good too We can get that knocked out tonight We can do the second half before we call it tonight Because we're already looking at the bottom Of the hour here for something And Josh gets a spot there as well So a little bit of momentum here Anyone else want to get in on it? TC, Top's Chrome Update Baseball, Sapphire edition Second half of the case We've been pulling some really nice stuff out of here And if you want to keep this action going I'm down, that's where the momentum is In case you're wondering It's a pretty quick break Would love to see the second half tonight And I think I can load up another case Hey, Oliver, if you're still here Have you uh Have you been to an event at the Riviera Country Club? Or the Genesis? I don't know if we I don't remember if we talked about that Beautiful place Look at this, this place is Nimrod Place Ha ha Can you imagine living on that street? This really doesn't give the scale of This really doesn't give you like Like the depth of You know, maybe this kind of does To give you the sort of The depth of this sort of ravine I think that's actually That actually is Larry David's Country Club So by the way, Josh Got us down to his 16 We're about halfway there If you want to make this happen Just give it a go We've got plenty of time to do it Plenty of time to break it Now it's Sunday night People have work tomorrow But we could make it happen We've had a pretty solid day though Just up until the last 30 minutes Or so We've had a pretty nice day What? Do I ever play any phone app games? Yes I used to play a lot of Pokemon Go I haven't played that in a couple years But I do play I do play Win Slots It's the Win Hotels Slot Game And I do play Win Slots I do play Win Slots It's the Win Hotels Slot Game And If you play it Pretty regularly Which I don't actively I'll put it on my iPad during work Or something like that And you can actually If you play consistently enough You can actually get some pretty decent discounts On Hotel rooms at the Win Usually if you collect enough points Maybe on some solid nights Like weekend nights Off night or something like that You can probably get a couple nights For a couple hundred bucks And hotels are probably like $300 a night On an off night or something like that So it's a pretty significant change I'm able to do that without Without putting in money until the very end There's a strategy there But it's pretty interesting But that's it I don't play any other game that does not At least on my phone that does not benefit me Nothing Jopey, I'm about to get out of here What can you win though Rex? I'm going to waste my time on a game Although I do play a lot of Mario Kart But I feel like that's different I'm playing games on my phone I feel like I have to get something out of it I'll play Mario Kart though If it brings you joy Rex Just enjoy it I think I am This is around the time we usually wrap things up And I haven't seen an order In about 40 minutes So I think the people have told me That people have told me we're done It is, I actually think Even less I should be working even less Rex Yeah, anyone who works Over 8 hours a day, suckers That's what I say That's what I say Rex Or they're just not efficient Should be able to get your work done 8 hours or less To be honest with you Got my break log set up We actually had a pretty solid day I think the lights on at Jaspy's Teddy's been pretty busy too Solid stuff Alright gang, so I will be back tomorrow 3 o'clock Pacific, 6 o'clock Eastern And we will do this craziness All over again I think we'll be focusing mostly Mostly about on this stuff right here Given my money, that's what we want to do But I'm sure there's a lot of baseball On the side that we can work through And I'm sure Nick and I will dig up some other stuff That we can post on the site throughout the week As well Alright gang, Rex, Sal, Joe Pizzle We'll see you guys tomorrow 3 o'clock Pacific, 6 o'clock Eastern Have a great day


What up ladies and gents? This is going to be my previous gear set for level 80 And I've just thrown this together relatively quickly as it basically assumes that you haven't done anything at level 70 You don't have any of the brutal gear and that you are starting relatively fresh in terms of gear at level 80 And you're trying to gear for that first couple of weeks of the season So essentially what we're going to be doing is picking up the savage gladiators mooncloth set And I would recommend getting this through emblems rather than farming honor I believe it's going to be quicker. The off parts are going to be the hateful set And you will have to spend honor to get these While this is a pre-biss list I do recommend if you have any brutal gear whatsoever to just sit on that if you get some extra emblems You can buy the savage set. However, I don't recommend farming the full hateful off-part set you're going to be doing a hell of a lot of bg's and You will have to re-farm all of these pieces once you get 1800 in arena Because you'll want to be upgrading to the deadly set So without any further ado, we're going to start with the savage gladiators mooncloth hood And this is going to be having the spell power resilience enchant on it With insightful earth siege diamond and a durable monarch topaz Next we've got hateful gladiators pendant of ascendancy and I've actually picked the hit Neck and cloak here as it's very difficult to get hit in pre-biss due to the limited item combinations available Shoulders is going to be savage gladiators mooncloth mantle and we're going to be having the JC resilience gym in this The cloak is again the hit Version of the hateful cloak and we're going to put 35 spell pen on this However, we are most likely aren't going to be picking up any other spell pen anywhere else But this is the best cloak enchant available For the chest, it's going to be a savage gladiators mooncloth robe again 20 resilience enchant durable red and then the JC yellow hateful braces with 30 spell power enchant you can also Consider putting stamina on braces. I believe it's 40 stem if you're feeling like you're not tanky enough Then that might be the way to go There are no weapons I believe available from honor early on if there are then I recommend grabbing those However, these are a decent alternative if they're not available with the gavel of the flesh crafter the handbook of obscure remedies from badges and Then the wand of anchorhead Then we've got the level 70 battle masters courage This is the upgraded version of the level 70 spell power battle master trinket This is probably going to be the best survivability option until living ice crystals is available or the battle master that requires arena rating Then we've just got the medallion of the horde. This is going to be available in the first week and it's going to be approximately 30 We've got the JC savage titanium band nice little bit of resilience on this with the socket and a good amount of stamina Then we've just got the loop of the curing tour. This is around 8.5 k gold I believe if you don't have this amount of gold, that's fine There are other options available just look for any sort of ring with spell power and MP fiber We've got hateful gladiator slippers and it's the again the salvation version with the JC Gem and tuskars vitality for the stamina move speed legs We've got savage gladiators move off legs 50 spell power with 30 stamina. There's also a spirit version of this enchant I recommend the stamina one in the first season as we're gonna be getting mold The gems we've just got the durable monarch topaz in the red and the lambent forest emerald in the blue Belt is another hateful item and we've got the buckle on here We've got a lambent forest emerald in the blue for the hit MP5 Just trying to bring our hit up a little bit. It's gonna be tricky to get to 4% but right now on three and a half A little bit of MP5 on there as well The other socket is simply a mystic and Then same gem again in the blue on the gloves We're gonna be having the hand mounted pyro rocket as the enchant If you have any ideas or suggestions for items that would be superior in any of the sockets, please do let me know We will be putting the link to this business or pre-bus list in the description I remember this is gonna be good essentially until the arena season starts and Nax etc comes out after that this business will become obsolete and there are many many better items And I suggest that you are better off looking at the regular this list


All right, we're out here in Chicago. We just met today, but we already got good vibes. I'm with my guy, A-man. We're already, we're already, we're already bros. It's a pleasure. I heard you had a great collection. I'm excited to see it. We're gonna kind of just work our way around the room. And this is great. I was telling him too, like, usually I kind of like know the backstory with a lot of people's collections and stuff. Yeah. But I really am clueless for all these things. So I'm excited for this one. I'm happy you're here. Yes. I'm happy you're here, Chase.  It was awesome. Yes.  So we always usually just start on one side of the room and work our way around and just start rapid firing with all the stories and the different stuff. So, cool. Right here, we got a few containers on this side. Yeah. Where shall we begin? We got the Yeezy twos right here. I see we got some more over. Yeah. Is this like a beater rock repair? How's it go? Yeah. So that pair I've definitely, I've been wearing for a little while. Had a little bit of sole separation. Oh yeah, around the toe. Like right here, it's fine. It's basic, you know. And this is one I've been rocking a lot, but I was just in LA and, you know, I work with Jeff Hamilton and I had seen that they had another pair of Pure Platinum's at Cool Kicks, size 12, and OGL. Oh, okay. So we went over there. He called up Champagne Pocky and was like, hey, my boy's coming over, take care of us. And so I ended up getting an OGL pair right there like two weeks ago. So this, and these containers also, they are taller. This is what I'm admiring right now. So this is your OGL pair? That's the OGL pair. This one's a lot cleaner. Very clean. It's got the box. I think the size tag is still in there. Yeah, it's still attached, which is rare on these. Yeah, I was about to say size tags definitely fall out on these as well. What do you do about insoles? I know it's got like that red leather insole. Yeah, I love it. Do you switch it out or do you? I keep it. Okay, I saw what you had. So I wore these today. Yeah, it's sneaker. Oh, that's right. And I keep the original insoles in there. I love them. They're so comfortable. I feel like you're walking on a cloud in those. And for a shoe that's from 2014, it's like, this guy is surprising because a lot of people with like the newer polyurethane soles, very comfortable. But yeah, those are really good. The Yeezy 2 is really comfortable. Mad comfortable. I used to, yeah. I gotta pull up some videos and show some people. It might hurt some feelings. This one right here though, we were just talking about it. Tell us about these. You had the listing on your phone or whatever happened. Scottie's on eBay. And as you can tell, has a little bit of a different patina than you might see on some of the other Oregon 3s. And turns out that whoever owned this pair, which their number is right on the shoe somewhere. It's not one of the shoes, it's one of the players, but washed them with soap. So the dye went all up into the elephant print, went into the sole.  I got a steel on them. I love them. I wear all my stuff. And I'm all about like patina. So I'm like, what the heck? Let's grab them, got a steel on them. Let's just rock them, have fun with them. So, that's so crazy. It didn't happen to be your size. I know. That's like, 11 and a half. 11 and a half. What else we got down here? Ray Allen? What do you want me to pull? You want me to pull those over? The whole five. Whatever, whatever you're feeling. That's just, I don't know. It's up to you. Yeah, I don't care. Ray Allen 13. So this was a drop that actually came out, but it was limited. It was House of Hoops only, right? It was the only, I don't remember. I don't think there was any other locations besides House of Hoops. I don't remember. But either way, it was a really limited release. So it was, it's like a PE, but it came to the public. So you got the Ray Allen on the time. Tell us about this one. I've always just been a huge 13 fan because like eighth grade was, you know, I was seeing him all the time. Just loved it. My boy, Nick, who's big PE, I mean, he's got Travis's and everything. I saw him at God Soul over in New York and he had them and they were my size. I'm like, it's just such a beautiful shoe. I love their teens. They're nostalgic for me. I love rocking them. They're mad comfortable. Definitely. And I just feel like I'm a big Ray Allen fan. Love his game. His shot is just like water. It's beautiful. And they just see it on the tongue too. See it on the tongue. It was just one of those shoes was not one of those like must haves for me. But since my boy had it, I said, okay, what can you do for me? He took care of me. And now they came home with me. Do you remember like when they came out and like the pricing and everybody was like, ooh, got you. No, it's just a Ray Allen PE. But you remember that time though, like when they came out and it was like, people were like four or 500 bucks was like a lot. Yeah. People were like, this is like, you're buying a grail at the time. At the time. Yeah. And it was just crazy to see that. And even though like, what are like a little over a thousand or something like that now, like one of Warren's pairs. But in my head, I was like, out of all these crazy shoes, I was like, why are these not like that three, four or $5,000 shoe, at least compared to how the market is with certain other shoes. Look at everything though. Like there's certain shoes where I'm like, dear God, if I only had the foresight to know. You're right, right. I mean, this, I'd have two rooms like this. You know what I mean? I just, I don't know. There's definitely a lot of things that I wish I took better advantage of. But again, you just, you just don't know. Yeah. But I mean, that's what I love too. Already I can tell you're just getting what you like. Yeah. And it's you accumulated these things over the years.  I swear everything. I will be honest though. I haven't, I haven't worn these yet. I have, I've had them a year. I haven't worn them yet. Oh. So, busting them out soon. Now I just got the pressure on them. Let's throw them on. We'll throw them on soon. So. Here we post them next week. Yeah. Put out their aliens. Okay, down here you got the Oklahoma fives. Do you have Oklahoma fives? Oklahoma fives. Over there or is this the one? I got Oklahoma fives there. I got Oklahoma fours there. Oklahoma ones there. Oklahoma ones. So the room, I'm still organizing. Okay. So everybody just be patient. Okay. Because everything, I just wear everything. So a lot of times I come home, I wear it, I look at it, and I just, I throw it in a case. Right. Oklahoma fives, I went to college in Oklahoma. Oh, okay. Now it's making sense. So the Oklahoma four was my, like all time PE Grail and was my first PE. Really? So then after I got that. Okay. Being a boy from Chicago, being a Bulls fan. You got that. That red. It's like, okay, cool. Like. So, and I was on coaching staff with all Roberts University men's basketball. Okay. So we would play all you sometimes. I remember going to the games and all you, and we'd be playing and Blake Griffith would be. Yeah. You know, he had all of my gosh. Those are nice. Beautiful. Those are nice. And that's why I'm like, the Cherry 11's were cool that they came out, but there was something about that crimson. Oh, definitely. That's just absolutely beautiful. And then like that wood grain on there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Those are, those are nice. What's next? We got, so you got, you got the black, easy one? Or is that the one that? No, I don't have, I don't have, I don't have the blanks. Are you working to complete the set? Or is it kind of like? Not really. Not a fan of it. Because of the nylon. I like that these are leather. I like that. So the nuts and I don't know. I just, I preferred, I prefer the leather for me personally. I just don't buy things to complete. I buy things I like. Perfect. I like that. So, which one? Should we pull any of these or everything's good in here? Yeah. I feel like they can see, can you guys see these good? Looks good on this side? We'll pull this one right here. Not a lot of people like these. The nuts, the zens, like, that's my favorite one. This one? Yeah. I love it. I love how the pink hits right there at the tip.  But yeah. When's the last time you wore them? Probably about two months ago. Okay, dope. That's perfect. And you, how often do you wear them? I try to wear them at least every couple months, few months. Okay. See, that's more than me, bro. I would wear them more. I need to do that more often. It's like, I try, look, like I wear everything. Mine are still wearable, but I'm like, I feel like I'm not wearing them enough still. I mean, I know it's important, especially to keep that soul going strong. So I just try to make sure that I have a regular cadence. Yeah, cause that was what? 09, 08, something like. Yeah. Something like, what was that? 2010. No, cause these were 14. Yeah, that was 09 I think. I think it's 09. I'll try to remember, cause I wore them to my high school graduation in 2010. So I think it was a year before when they came out in 2009. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. 2009. Yeah, manufacturing. Yeah, that's what it was. Cause I remember I got mine the year of graduate, like the beginning of 2010. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I finally got them on wearing these graduation. Good times.  Yeah. Gorgeous. Gorgeous materials. Colorways are just sick. Just beautiful shoe. The glowing soul. It's like, what the heck man. I feel that. So we gotta move this chair out the way. Yes. Tell me about this chair. So I have a couple of these chairs. They sat courtside. These were courtside seats at the United Center. Crazy. They were there for all six championships. Crazy. So one of my boys up on the North side, big memorabilia collector. I saw he had some. I'm like, I gotta have at least a couple in the crib. So. I feel like it's hard not to be a collector if you live in Chicago. Look at this. They don't make stuff like this anymore. I just want you to know that. So that's a high quality manufacturing. No, for real. I mean, this is the 90s. You know what I'm saying? It's way different than now. They would like take the chalk and boom, boom, boom. That's your seat. Make sure it's on. It's pretty on the ticket. That's legit. So yes, this is official.  And who knows who? I mean, you don't know. They were there for years. So. We're gonna move the chair out the way. If the chair could tell stories. Heavy. Oh, wow. That's what I said. That manufacturing. It's amazing. Nice. Oh my God. Can we please get back to manufacturing's courtside seats like that? No, for real. Come on. Okay. Yeah. We got space over here. So, off-white. We got dunks. Off-white. How did it go with the lots, especially? Like, was it just like, I'll just take one I can get. Like whatever. Like, I want a certain colorway. Cause there's 50 of them. I only got what I got on sneakers. Okay. I didn't. What number is this? Ah. I'm trying to remember. Seven. Seven. Okay. So that was one of the ones, you know, when they were randomly giving an EA. I think I got six. And that's the one I got. Yeah. But yeah. Got those on sneakers. Got those on sneakers. So, again, it was just, you know, not a must cop for me by any means. I did love the UNLV colorway. Yeah, this one. I know. It's one of my favorites. I don't have it in here. It's by the back door, but my daily beater is just the regular UNLV dunk. Okay. I wear it like crazy. Yeah. To the point where the leather looks amazing. Yeah.  It gets that watery look. Yeah. I like that. Okay. What else over here? Out the box already? That is the trophy room friends and family that's right here. Okay. Yeah. So how did you go about getting that spare? I was just looking forever for this pair. And I've always been a big fan of trophy room. I've been a big fan too of just how they execute with the box, with the cord on the inside, with the card or the trophy room. Like just the storytelling they did was amazing. I'm fortunate enough today to be connected with trophy room. I was not when I had these. Gotcha. This was a must. The red on here, the quality of the suede, 223 pairs. Like I mean, come on. I have the blue pair here. It's being blocked by all the reimagines right now. But. We'll move it out the way. Yeah, it's there. It was just a must for me. I love this shoe. Definitely. I mean, the trophy room here, the Nike ear.  Some people say that like the blue pair is better. What do you think? I love blue. I am a sucker for blue. You're gonna see a lot of blue in here. The red with the light blue. It just hits different. It's like that minty just. It just hits different. And every time I wear it, people are like, I have never seen those on feet. Right. So it's always like a conversation starter. So definitely blessed to have those. I know man. I love those. I love those. And once I got sold in New York, they had like a basketball game. It was like make as many like shots as you could in a row or whatever. And I was doing it like those and people were like, oh, like dude shooting hoops in the trophy room friend and family. Right. You know what I mean? I'm gonna say it. No, it's a fire shoe for sure. I love it. Definitely. Well, let's show these Gator 5s too soon right here. Yeah. What did you go about the Gator situation? Like is it just like. It's a weird nostalgic thing for me. So one of my best friends, Kyle Colbert, he's a huge Gator fan. I spent a lot of time in Florida with him and his family. And there's just something about their blue and it just hits. And again, it was not one of those must top things for me, but I just kind of was like, okay, let me get it. Let me see how I love it as far as the color. And I absolutely loved it. That orange. I think it's so dope. Like if you look the real details of the shoe, like underneath it, like the elephant print throughout the upper and everything. It's so dope how they put this shoe together. Like the OU was a must for me. Yeah. But like after I got this, I just I absolutely loved it. I've actually been wearing this quite a bit. I think it's funny too, because the fives for the college series in particular are like, I feel like the most slept on out of all the numbers. Like people talk about the fours or just sixes now and the ones, different threes. But like people kind of never really talk about the fives. No, the prints so unique on it. I mean, just the way they texturize it. I mean, on the tongue, the Nike ear. I love them. Yeah, I think that's definitely the most slept on model out of the college series as of right now. Yeah, for sure. I think, do you think these are more slept on right now or so you feel like the sixes, like there's more demand on those right now? Than the fives. Yeah, you think so? Okay. And I think it's not a crazy demand on the sixes either, but people are rocking with the sixes. When they see them in person, they're like, oh, these are fire. Especially like when man, those UCLA sixes, bro. Yeah. That's next on my list. I'm about to get those soon. I need those. Let's let's work together. Let's try to work. Oh yeah, what size you need? 11 and a half. 11 and a half, 12. That's a little bulk deal. You probably need an 11 and a half because they run big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We're gonna stand this out. You wanna go over here? It's up to you. I don't know. Let's go. Oh yeah, we got more off-white conversation right here. Yeah, so, okay. So 2020 Chicago NBA All-Star game, of course had to get these. I remember that. I mean, Virgil, thank you. Like, come on. Beautiful shoe. Beautiful shoe. This unfortunately, I was very blessed during All-Star weekend. I got pretty much every single shoe for retail. I got the new beginnings pack for retail. I hit it on sneakers pass. I got, though, what was it? I got the threes. I got the ear. I got the shy. I got the reverse bred 85s. I got everything for retail. This was the only one I stood in multiple lines, multiple drops, couldn't get them. So I had to have it. It's just- I'm willing to pay the ticket because I got all the ones for retail. That was one of the most amazing weekends in Chicago. Like, it's a high bar. Yeah, I feel that. So when it comes to that too, like with paying retail and retail and stuff, obviously you're heavily going towards retail. But then like, how do you make that decision of like, all right, bro, I'm paying this extra ticket just to get this shoe. Only if I genuinely feel in my heart, DJ, and my discernment, that I really need that shoe. And it's just, there's a meaning behind it. There's a moment behind it. There's something that stands out to me that I'll do resell. Then you're like, yeah, I'm willing to do it. Yeah. Okay. That's a little too deep. Sorry. Yeah. Okay, so the Chicago and then the black and blue off white too. Come on. Like, come on. Guys, come on. The attention to detail to make the sole look like a cracking vintage pillow urethane sole was just so dope. And then how they did the mold from the old one exactly. The MJ, as soon as I saw that, I was like, game over. Got to have it. Got to have it. And honestly. It's crazy how heavy they are too. So jumper man, Chris, shout out my bro. He wore these sneaker con day one is exactly what he's saying. He's like, I love the shoe, but it's so heavy. So heavy. I think these are slept on. Definitely. The price right now on these is like really solid. And I'm like, why are people not spending more money on these? Like hyping them up. But again, it's not a problem. But it's crazy how sometimes shoes, values don't represent like how dope they really are and all those different things. Bro. Oh, I know. I got, I got both. I like, I like these a lot. The leather is so good. I know. And it's blue and black. I love how this hits. Those laces hit on that. So when it comes to switching up laces, I'm kind of just like lazy. I keep most everything. I keep everything to save. I keep most everything just how it comes. Okay. But periodically, if I open the box, I see something I'm like, okay, that's probably going to be cool. Gotcha. We'll rock with it. I got a great story on these. Oh yeah, hit us with it. Prestos. So few months after the off-white MCAs were released, I went into the Nike lab, which is what Virgil Abloh kind of established when Nike downtown Michigan Avenue, Chicago, he's doing a whole bunch of different events there, guest speakers doing his exclusive drops. So this shoe, what? This one came out 2018. So this would have been a year later. Okay. I'm in Nike lab. The manager saw that I was wearing the MCAs and he said I was the first person he had saw actually wearing the MCAs. And he's like, I'm like, bro, I love them. They're a shoe. I wear all my stuff. He's like, come with me. Takes my wife and I to the side door, comes out with a box with these and a year after they release. What? And goes, I want to bless you with these because Nike sent these to me to give to people that we felt are like genuine sneaker heads. So then I'm like, oh my God, thank you so much. I think it's a beautiful shoe. And he asked my wife, would you like a pair? She's like, I don't think I'm okay. I was like, no, no, she'll have one. And she's glad she did. So that was a dope story. Shout out to you.  I was gonna be like going to Nike like, hey, who's have you ever seen this guy? Well, yeah, sorry, I don't know who this is. Yeah, John Cornelius Pumperdinkle. All right, right here we got SB's and dunks. So obviously heavy Jordans, heavy, heavy Jordans. Everybody asked me, all you collect is Jordans. I'm like, yeah, I got a lot of Jordans, but I got Nikes and stuff too. So what brings you to more of the, obviously the Presto was a great story, but you know, grabbing a couple of dunks and stuff for the collection too. I think dunks, they do an amazing job of telling a story. Especially SB's. Especially SB's. I've never been a big SB guy in general because I didn't want to like be a poser. Gotcha. I'm not, I was never a skater. I was a BMX biker though. Okay. So Dave Mira, breast and peace. I was a harrow bike guy. I loved riding bikes, jumping off ramps, all that stuff. So I still like loved the culture and the shoes. And I mean, the Chicago SB's beautiful. I just, again, Chicago. Had to have on. Makes sense. Jackie Robinson's amazing. Makes sense as well. I just wish they actually did a better box. Yeah. Like, come on, you do all this work on the shoe, make the presentation, put it all together. Dunks are pretty much 70% of the time my daily wear. Okay. Just cause I love low cut. But more like college colors. Yeah, I like a lot of the college colors. Yeah, real basic. Okay. This one I have not worn yet. It will come out soon. These are fire. So good. I think these are just gonna keep rising. More and more people are gonna appreciate it. They have to. And it makes sense why I should get it. I get it, I get it. They have to. Execution's absolutely beautiful on these. 513, I need it. Who got me? I'm still looking for a pair. I wish you were here another day. We could have done some hunting tomorrow. Uh-oh. I know, we gotta go. We gotta go. Okay. Jordan Wines. We got some retro stuff here. And then you got some OGs over here. Some more OGs over here, some sign stuff. I'm gonna let you take this side. All right. I'll let you start popping them open because this is where it starts to get real. The, I mean, it all started with the airship, right? I don't understand. So early on, I mean, these were going for over a grand. I don't know how people slept on these. Right. And they were limited too. And people, yeah, I get you. Go ahead. The AC is limited. And beautiful, absolutely beautiful shoe. And they did a great job on the execution. Again, I don't get it. The storytelling was there.  Right. That's like, where were you then? Right, exactly. So, love this shoe. I wear this a lot, mad comfortable. Leather on them. Leather's great, beautiful, soft. New beginnings pack. Like I mentioned, All Star weekend, I hit sneakers pass. I was at cars.com. I was working there. I went there 10 and a half years and their wifi was amazing. And I think that has something to do with why I hit on this because when I went, I don't know if this is 100% true, but they told me when I went to pick them up at Nike Lab that there was only like 13 pairs loaded up on the sneakers pass. Oh, so you was in there. Okay. So, love that shoe. Come on. Again, haven't worn it yet. It is gonna get worn very soon. I try to get through everything, but come on. Beautiful. I think too though, you don't gotta rush. You know what I'm saying? No. We're at your own time. Everybody thinks just because you got the shoe you gotta wear it right now when you get it. Like take your time. Yeah. I respect it. It feels right. But new beginnings pack from the box to the story to the pamphlet to the fact that they're pairing the two that started it all. I loved it. I think the only gripe that some people had and I kind of did too was like everybody wished they did the actual colors, the OG colors in it cause they were doing that, bringing it back. And everybody was like, that would have been crazy if they would have did that. But at the same time we still all loved it and respected it either way. That would have been sick. Hopefully it's in their back pocket. Right. That'd be amazing. But while we're talking about it imagine that what? That would have been insane. It was already insane. Yeah. For that. Just so you know guys, Chicago NBA All-Star weekend got really grimy. Like people lined up, people in line, a lot of people could have got their hands on the airship pack. But then a lot of people messed it up. You had a lot of people from out of town that were trying to cut the line. They were being rude. They were being very ignorant. Yeah.  So I feel bad because I feel a lot more people should have got their hands on those. Right. Especially it's hard. Like you're from here. So it's like for people like you from here it's like this is so dope. I want to be able to sit in line, get the shoe. We're a respectful sneaker culture here. I don't know if you've realized that or you've sensed that. I haven't been able to go to the camp out yet. But we're normally here in Chicago we're very respectful of each other. A lot of people know each other. You'll see how you dapple them up. It's cool. We're chill. All-Star weekend got crazy. But still got blessed. While we're on the topic of airship. Yeah, I see these over here. Actual airships. Crazy. I've been wanting a pair of these for a while. These are the grape here. The blue that's not original blue. That was painted over time. So right now I'm just kind of going back. I mean, look how high that tongue is. Yeah, no for real. But they're so dope. And I'm going back and forth just trying to figure out do I want to do some blue laces? Do some cream? I don't know, we'll see. But we got you into more of like the vintage stuff, the older stuff. Going back and retracking. Doing that type of thing. I think one, I was born in 84. Right in the middle of it. Like right when all that started. I mean, look, 84, right? So I'm like, all right. I want to start collecting things that were started when I started. So, and I just have an appreciation for that. I mean born and raised on the south side of Chicago. The shoe that started all with Jordan here. Yeah, this is going to be great going through this stuff. We'll get there soon. 85 cuts. Neutral grays, reverse bread, George Towns, black whites. A lot of people, and I don't get this personally. You tell me your opinion. Okay. Say they're uncomfortable. Yeah. You think they're uncomfortable? This is the most comfortable pair out of all of them. Okay. The black and white.  I love them. And it's funny because that's the only one I don't have. I have all the other ones, but I don't have those yet. Okay. This was another retail. I hit two pair retail NBA All Star weekend. So that was a blessing. Good hit. But I love them. A lot of people hate on the leather quality. I am going to say this right here, right now. Yes, they are not this, but they are the closest thing to full grain leather that you're going to see. It's not, again, it's not this, but it's in the full grain leather family. Right. I'm out. Right. Yeah. They just don't know. I'm just saying. Hey, Jeff. And look, we'll see. The more and more and more they're worn, we'll see how they break in. Yep. I mean, there's so many ones. I don't want to, there's so many things to go through. I don't want to bore you right now. So I love ones, ones, ones, ones. One thing I'll do that I haven't asked yet was like, so you kind of been immersed in the sneaker culture your whole life. Just being around here, living in Chicago, right? But when did you start taking it serious? You know how a lot of people say, oh, once I could afford to do it, this is when I started? Seven grade. Seven grade, okay. Seven grade. Talk about the origin. So I went to the school on the south side of Chicago, kindergarten through second grade, and then stepped away for a few years. I was homeschooled. Went back to the same school, seventh grade. And when I started seeing my classmates in Sir and Jordan's, I was like. Those are fire. And I always loved Jordan's, but like once I was actually in a class with guys that had them, that's when I realized like the IPA, I'm starting to get the bug. Yeah. I will say though, the first Jordan that really truly I want to say made me a sneaker head was the Ginger 14 Lowe's. That's a good one. 1999. That's a good one. My, I went to the mall with my grandmother and she said I could pick out a pair of shoes. And I saw those shoes on the wall and I absolutely loved them for whatever reason. And I got them and 150 bucks and 140, whatever they were. And we go and check out and she didn't realize that they were that. She thought they were like 15 bucks. She misread the sticker. So she almost passed out, but it's my grandma. She's not gonna say no. And so I want to say that's the shoe when I tell people that's why when they were released, Retro'd and the Highs, I wish they were in the Lowe's. I actually loved that. What do you think about the Laney High for?  I think those are fire. Oh, and you got the OG. Yeah, I mean, I love this. Come on. See, I'm just dropping shoes in there. Hey man, we gotta work on the hands. There we go. Come on. Yeah, those are clean, bro. They're so clean. Yeah, those are clean. They're sick. But the Ginger 14 Lowe's are absolutely love them. That's definitely a great shoe for sure. Yeah. So that's kind of where the origin story began. Yeah, I was like seventh, eighth grade. And then after that, you was like, okay, what can I do to make some money, get these shoes? Exactly. And my parents, luckily, they started seeing how important it was to me. And so then they started getting me like British Knights. So they were like, all right, you know. Let's get with Jordan here and there. They got me these, the Rodman Converses. I absolutely love these. JC Penney, shout out JC Penney. But the Rodmans, this was, I got great memories with this shoe. I absolutely love this shoe. What, when did your foot stop growing to where you were like, okay, now I can collect the same stuff? Somebody just asked me that. I'm trying to remember. I was like sophomore year of high school. It was right around the same time, I want to say. I feel like I was wearing 11 and a half, 12 for quite a while in high school. That's one thing to get serious. When you see your foot stop growing, you're like, oh, I can really start building out my collection. I can get serious about this.  Because my problem is when somebody asked me that, I don't really have shoes from when I was in high school because I wore them all to the ground. Right, right. You know? Like that, that's not one of the originals. I re-bought it just for nostalgia purposes. I found one because I would wear them outside and you would toss them. If we would have known that, you know, ginger 14s are gonna go for 900 bucks, we're working with crap, I wouldn't have gotten rid of them. I feel that. So, you know, you accumulated ones over the years and a lot of people in Jordan ones in particular was his lance bomb. Yeah, he put the bandage inside. Again, this was like a pre-owned one. I would love to claim that I did that. I got this from my bro. I want to say this was from Casino Kicks out in the East Coast. And they were already like this, I loved it. Like running. I need it. Yeah. So, when it comes to Jordan ones, it's the easiest shoe to have the most of. I'll talk about this with everybody's collection because nine times out of 10, that's the most of the model that they have. So, how do you be selective with picking which colors you want and all these different things? Again, it's either they have a story, like the chameleons here, All-Star. Okay, like, I'm a big NBA fan. Beautiful shoe. I mean, look at how the color changes. The LED lighting is definitely helping. But that's dope. I'm a sucker for blue. I love blue with shattered backboards. I mean, come on, it's just the quality of it. It's like, come on, you know. Yeah. So, the whole story behind the shattered backboard and the fact that the quality on this is amazing. Same thing, like with the reverse shattered backboard. I like orange. I mean, come on, fall, Halloween.  I'm no worse with orange, bro. I just don't know why. I don't rock it normally, but you know, certain times of the year, I'm a big fall guy. I love the fall. It's one of my favorite times of the year. And it just goes with everything. Yeah, of course. Hey, it makes sense though. No, I know a lot of people like it. So, it's just, yeah. Ultimately, I'm more of a story guy, but, you know, like with the top three Jordan ones, it's just, I love that. I love wanting to just kind of put everything together. It's dope. Okay. So, show us some of your Chicago inspired stuff. I know we got a trophy room, we got Chicago, we got a black toe, different like that. I know, I know it was just getting good. I'm sorry we had to cut it short, but don't worry, tomorrow we'll be back with the next episode. And we're gonna be going through all of these Jordan ones. The sneakers on the back wall and a bunch of different PEs. And he's got some crazy grills when it comes to the 1985 ones as well. So, don't forget to subscribe and I'll see you guys tomorrow in the next episode. I will never let you down. Yo, before you go, I just launched my sneaker head academy where we got everything on the inside. I teach you all the stuff that I learned over the past 15 years. 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