from the Midwest. We're both from Wisconsin. Okay, that half. Wow. I got this at the American store here in New Zealand and I had to get it. Like, how do you not get this? Well, of course. I mean, because you can barely see what's going on. This is you wear this to get bombed. That's what you do.  Are my attention seeking? Well, between that and the darn stick you have to take with you everywhere with your phone on it. Get this shirt. I didn't know you had the same shirt as me. I didn't know that either. Where did I get this shirt? It's some cute little boutique here in town. How about you? Somebody mail it to me. When I moved here the first time, Jen Schilt, one of my, I made a banner in my wedding, gave it to me. She's like, don't forget that this is your home. This is where you're from. That's right. This is at Midwest, baby. Oh, I can't wear this. So gaudy. Oh my God. It's so great. I just, yeah, feel very under, underdressed now. Okay. We're in our shirts here. Let me turn this down a little bit. Okay. Okay. Oh yeah, the Kristen Tereshaw, Christa. Christie is my name. What's your name? Christie. All right, welcome. Welcome back to my YouTube channel and the premier of the channel. There's going to be a lot of dancing, warning, and it's really just to music in our heads. So, right, we don't know how to help you with that unless you're from 1990 something. So this is the premiered episode. We are going to be launching these a couple per month, midweek time, and you're not going to want to mess it. It's going to have a little bit different format than our other one. So you are going to love it. We're just going to be two girlfriends on other parts of the world getting together on Zoom. Because this is the only way we can do this anyway. We're just bringing you along for the ride. That's it. Okay. So basically this is what we would be doing anyway. We're just, you know, broadcasting it to the world. You're welcome. You're welcome. My mom always said we should be on CVS or Elemental. Okay, stop. I can't remember what it's called. It's a home shopping network, whatever that is. It's called. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. I don't know. It's shopping network. We don't need a network to hire us here. QVC. QVC. QVC. QVC. Does that even exist? I don't have TV. I have no idea. I don't really watch it because there's nothing on that I want to see. Okay. So today our episode is going to basically talk about our story. Let's tell our story, our background, how we met. I got some pictures of us. So you're going to want to stay tuned because you're going to want to see us. Yeah, you are. A lot of hair. The hair. Right. The hair. I can't believe like how young, young. They're pretty pretty. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay. Oh, I can't wait. Okay. So we, okay. So it's interesting our story. Like I'm a little bit older than Christie. We won't talk about that. Generally, my closest friends are lighter than me. I think that says a lot about me and something. Okay. So, yeah. So we, so we met when I was at like the end of my university time. You, she showed up at my fiance's at the time apartment because you were visiting somebody. I was visiting someone else, not her fiance. And then I was like, I think I need to hang out with her. Hmm. Who are you? I don't remember anything. All I remember is the now living with you at your parents' house. Yeah. Yes. Okay. And I remember living with you at your apartment once you got a big girl job and I got a big girl job. Yes. So, okay. Well, we first met, we were like, we were inseparable and you were living at home because she dropped out of college. So that's a different episode. That's a different story, but you'll like that one too. Stay tuned if you like Jerry Springer. How long were you in college? A year and a half or something? Yeah. Yeah. And $38,000 worth of nothing. You're joking me. Well, it's so bad. My poor parents. Oh my gosh. Anyways, $38,000 of nothing. Nothing. Oh my gosh. This is why you don't tell on yourself. Anyways, moving on. Another episode. Okay. Okay. So yeah. So we would and then like, so she was living at her parents' house, which was about 30 minutes from the university I was at. And so I would just drive there on the weekends and we would just crash and hang. I just remember being there constantly. Constantly. Yes. And we just... And Kristen is like an only child. So like, her parents were really glad to have another child in the family. Well, and my mom used to say, she would be like, when Tara and I would get together, we had no idea. I know this will be shocking to the world. We had no idea that there was other people in the room. No, I know. So we would be like, and my mom would be like, okay, you guys are talking so fast. I can't even understand what you're saying. And you're talking over the top of each other. Yeah, we're like, keep up, keep up, keep up, keep up. I was gone for like a couple of days. It's so true. It's so true. And then you graduated and you moved to Milwaukee. Right. Right. And I was working in O'Connor, Milwaukee. That was Wisconsin. Yes. Was that like your sales job at like the hotel? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I was hoteling it and I would come and stay with you and we would eat. Are you ready for this? Brownie cake batter. Remember that? No, you heard me. We didn't even cook it. We just ate it. We mixed it and we ate it raw eggs and all ladies and gentlemen. We survived to tell a story. Yeah. I'm pretty sure this is why the COVID can't touch me. Can't get me. I had brownie cake batter uncooked. Like the whole batter we would eat it. We would eat the whole thing. Or if we did cook the brownies, we would be like, no, listen, we're just going to do a little bit. We're not going to eat the whole pan. So what happens is you just eat a little bit at a time. The whole pan's gone within about 30 minutes. It's gone, but it's like a little bit. So you feel better about yourself. So what do you remember about this time?  No, no, go. I got to think. I remember the way that you would wash your face at night. She would, no joke, put the tightest thing. Okay, you keep, you keep talking. I got to go get it because you bought me one. You don't have it. Okay. Guys, I'm going to tell you what it was. She wore this like child. It's supposed to be for like a child's head. So it was so tight and she would go like this. And then she would do all these sounds in the mirror. That's the one that I got you, isn't it? Yes. I thought you had that original like Winnie the Pooh one that was like this head. No, but it's the same concept. I wanted them to see the concept. Yeah, concept.  Oh yeah. Oh, okay. So you're welcome. Okay. You ready? So when my allergies bother me, I forget to give people a heads up. And so everybody quiet now, listen. Apparently, that sounds like two hogs fighting. I have no idea. I can't really tell. I'm trying to itch my throat. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And this is what I would first, Tara was like, what is that? Does anybody hear what I hear? And I'm like, I don't hear nothing. I don't know what you're saying. She's like, what are you doing? Oh itching. Yeah, but what does that have to do with washing your face? I feel like you wash your face, you'd scrub it forever.  Like we're like 20. Like we don't need to take care of it now. Now do it. Do it now. Now I gotta really take care of it. It's sad. But do you? Do you? No. No, I don't either. It's just like good enough. So you get this with nothing. You are welcome. You are welcome New Zealand. Okay, so that's what I remember. I remember that um well I could think of some other things but I don't know. Okay. Yeah, oh I did all sorts of fun stuff. I remember, okay this is what I remember. Dinner time as frequently as humanly possible. Yes. Red lobster. Red lobster. What did we order? What did we order? Okay, well first of all we got the same thing. We were very happy about the cheese garlic bread. The cheese garlic biscuits. I recently went to the American store here and they had it. But it was like $42. So I couldn't really justify it but it was like they had the actual red lobster ones. Now that I'm in lockdown I should have got it. You should have got it. I should have got it. So it was a huge, like you know what I mean? Just give me something. The biscuits, we always got the Caesar salad. Yes, always. Crab leg. I always got the crab legs. Did you get crab legs? I think I get crab legs too. Big tomato. Yeah, dip in the butter. Yeah, oh. And if you haven't been to Red Lobster, if you don't know anything about it, it's like a, I would say it's a mid-range restaurant. Oh, did we always get like Bahama Mama drinks? Yes, yes. So we, this was us adulting because you know we're 21 or older at this point. So yes, we would get the Bahama Mama's because they taste like Kool-Aid with a little. Right, right. It's just alcohol with all sugar so you don't taste it, right. And then yeah, and so we would get all of that and we would sit and we would talk and laugh and be so loud in this restaurant but we would always go.  Yes. And I would always feel like someone's just going to go in and grab that and boil it and feel okay about that. Yeah, and that one of them was us. We felt okay with it. Yeah, well the crabs can go. Yeah. Those crab legs were so good. Oh my god. So good. Okay, do you have anything like that there? Ooh. And in New Zealand you guys have bread? There's not like, there's not really chain restaurants. Oh, that's right. Like every town you go to is, there are a couple, everybody needs to calm down, okay.  So what New Zealand chain restaurant is there? There's like three, you know. Oh. In the whole country. Wow. Okay. Yeah. There's Red Lobster in like every city in Wisconsin, everywhere. So good. Oh my gosh, that's all I want. No. I know now I'm starving. So there's that. Okay. The other thing I remember. Yeah. Constant sleepovers and we constantly slept in the same bed and I'll just give you a factual statement of how I felt when Tara got married. Oh no. I could not understand for the life of me why Dan, her husband, thought when I was having a sleepover with Tara that he should sleep in bed with Tara. What? This shows you logic at 21.  You're like, excuse me, why are you in here? He's like, this is our bed. And you're like, no, no, no. When I'm here, I'm sleeping. I don't know what to do here. Dan's like, no, seriously. You're not sleeping in here. And I was like, I know you were so.  I know that. I live here too. I was here before you. And he was like, okay, Dan and I get along really well. So it was kind of like having a sister brother like, no, I'm not, no, no. So I was on the couch. It's fine. I'm over it. So there's that. I know you're not over it. I think we talk about this like every time. What about New Year's Eve? We used to, now both of us are married at this point. It was the year 2000 New Year's Eve. Yes. Y2K, baby. Y2K, we were together. Yes, we were. Because what year did you get married? 97. Okay. So we met in 97 or 96? Oh, we would have known it was before that. 96 maybe. Must have been 96. Because I was spending in your wedding. Yes. Okay. So yeah, we, and again, once we both got married, then we were still inseparable. We would do, remember your husband wouldn't let me come over.  It was like, I can't handle all the noise. He couldn't handle us together. He couldn't handle us. It was one of those moments, you know, you should have listened to Spice Girls. You know, you got to get with my friends or forget it. Yes. Yes. That's exactly it. Oh my gosh. I love it. I love it. Yes. I just remember us. Oh, do you remember twinning? Okay. Okay. This is a great transition. Let me share a screen here. Okay. Oh, no. Okay. Oh, okay. I don't know why. Okay. You guys got to give me a break because I'm, you know, in a different country. Can you see the picture? Oh, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. We're at a wedding. Are we at Lorraine and Heath's wedding? No, I don't think we're at a wedding here. Like, look how small this picture is. So I think this was just us dressing up to go to Red Lobster. That's what I think. I know. I think this is after work because you would get this fancy and so would I. This was after work. We're going to Red Lobster. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. Talk about this photo. Let's talk about this photo. So this is Sydney pregnant with her first Sydney. That's no Christy pregnant with her first. I'm throwing her a baby shower. Look at me. I've had a couple kids. Look at me. You're so I'm so tired. Look at how like my kids look at this like what's wrong with you? You were the problem. Oh, isn't that the truth? Okay, so what I plan some funny game where I put like a hottie mask on you and what did we do? Okay, so here's what happened. Tara loves to do games where I have no idea what's going on. And then she just lets me write it out. So if we could back up before children, let's talk about my bridal shower where she sets me up. I have no idea what's happening. Okay, but once again, there's a blind photo. We have to have a picture of this. There's a picture of this somewhere. It's so funny. It's videos. Okay. I have a video of Tara. I will try really hard to see if we can't get it like clipped into here because she is laughing so hard in the background. She falls out of her chair while I am doing all these things at the bridal shower. Long story short, she puts a suitcase in front of me. I'm blindfolded.  Ready, set, go. Just put on whatever's in there. Just put it on. So I don't know what I'm doing. I am turned around backwards sideways upside down. I got stuff all over me. I ended up putting on a pair of men's underwear backwards. Wow. I can't see what I'm doing. Oh, my dear God. It was... What did it say on the underwear? I forget. I forget, too. Something about... It said something funny. Oh, yes. The world's biggest source of natural gas. I'm crawling around. Okay. And I have no idea this is on my rear end. It's so funny. So fast forward. I know. I do have to find the video. Fast forward to the baby shower. See, Tara and I do not get... We do not really get embarrassed when we're together, which is probably the problem for most people that hang with us. We probably should. We're not going to. So Tara says, put this on your face. I don't know what it says, and I have no idea what's going to happen. So I get up and start dancing like spontaneously, and it says, hottie, people were dying because my belly's huge. My rear end is bigger, and I am making it happen. Let me just tell you. What was I having you do? I don't even remember. I have no idea, but I remember people dying. So this is us when we met up. Last time I was in the States, 2019. So first time we reconnected. We reconnected after a lot of years. Like a lot of years. Like I didn't even want to leave the campground because it was like, I don't even know how to explain it. It was like, oh my gosh, I found my person is back. I didn't want to leave. I know. And just keep in mind, everyone, that I was camping. Okay. Oh, look at this photo I found. I don't know what we're doing, but look at these baby faces. Look at those baby faces. Look at all my hair. I know. Wow. Oh, okay. This is Tara's bridal shower that I threw. Did I throw it? I helped. I don't know. I can't remember. We did laser tag, and we ate at, what's it called? Damon's. Because you loved it. Look at you. Oh, my gosh. So I would have been, what, 22, 21? You would have been younger. 20. I'd have been 20. I'm only, and our birthdays are only like a week apart. Hold on. Hold on. I'll go back. So if you don't know is a singer, and she sang at my wedding, this was the rehearsal dinner. Oh, look at, you have always been so good with your hair. Oh, look at what am I doing? What are my bangs doing? Look at that. Oh, I know, right? I have those other pictures flip the right way, but apparently I didn't upload it. Okay. It's fine. Well, that's how we met. That's how we met. That's the story, everyone. That's one, two, three, Cambridge, one, two, three. Cambridge is where we met. Okay. So thank you for joining us today. We won't make it too long for you. But definitely comment below what you would like to see on the Tara Christie show, what you like us to talk about, and we will put it up there. If you make some cool comments, maybe we'll shout out to you, right? And be like, this idea came from so and so. So definitely yeah, yeah, they can like tell us what we can shout out and, you know, maybe we can even have somebody on our show. We'll see. Love it. We could fit more. We could fit more on here. So yeah, you so definitely comment below, subscribe, because you're not going to miss it every week. So it'll look pop up on your screen, let you know, and we'll see you next week.


Let's talk to Rachel Oliver, who is head of campaigns at Positive Money, which works to reform the money and banking systems, and he's very doubtful about help to buy. And Miles Shipside, director and housing market analyst at RightMove, will come to you, Miles, in a second. Rachel, you go first. Do you think this scheme has been what, bad? Well, it's been great for property developers and big banks, but it's been terrible for most ordinary people in our society over the long term. Today's results are the final nail in the coffin on what is a very failed and flawed scheme. It doesn't fix the problem of high house prices, and it's actually boosting profits for developers. So if you're an ordinary person on an average salary, this policy is clearly not for you. And in fact, we should be calling for it to be scrapped. Simon's point there was that the National Audit Office has had a good look, and it can't see that it put an extra premium on the house prices helped to buy, but you think that's wrong, do you? Well, Shelter, who are the housing charity, they showed an estimated in 2015 that help to buy has made the average house £8,000 more expensive. And as you said in the introduction there, it's clear that this policy is actually benefiting people who are already wealthy and who are already able to access affordable homes, affordable inheritance. So over 8,000 of those who used help to buy had household incomes of over £100,000. How many, what percent was that? Over 8,000 people. 8,000, okay. So that's, well that's only, is that like half a percent or something? No, it's nearly five percent actually. And another set on there is over 20,000 people had incomes of over £80,000. So again, we have to really ask who is this scheme for? Is it for the vast majority of people or is it for property developers and existently wealthy people? Stay with us, Miles. Shipside listening to that. She's right, isn't she, Miles? I think it's useful to look back to the origins of help to buy. And the years after the credit crunch, getting a mortgage for a first-time buyer was pretty impossible. So you needed a long-term scheme to give builders the surety and security to actually build homes because the builders were on their knees and about to go bust and we rely on them for our housing supply in the UK because there's very little social housing. So I think it's worth looking at the bigger picture and why this was brought in. Rachel, good point. I think it's absolutely right to look at the bigger picture. A house to buy is like putting a sticking plaster on a broken leg. The wider system is completely broken here. Yeah, so of course it is. Well, we know that there aren't enough houses and for all kinds of reasons, but this, the point that this being made by Miles is that actually at least this was an attempt it seems to have helped some people, hasn't helped everyone. So what it has done is has helped some people who are already relatively wealthy to buy properties that are really pretty expensive. So it's not actually bringing house prices down, which is what we need over the long term to get most people accessing affordable secure homes in the long term. It's an attempt to actually keep house prices high. If the government really wanted to tackle the affordability crisis that we have in the housing market, then they actually would be better spending that £20 billion that they've actually subsidised the help to buy scheme here with on projects which put money in everybody's pockets and actually boost jobs and incomes. Okay, Miles, how would you improve it? How would you stop it being exploited by people on £100,000 a year for a start? Well, you could actually bring in more criteria, but I think if you ask the vast majority that now have a home that they want, they're probably quite happy with help to buy. It's helped them not only get on the housing ladder, but crucially probably buy a slightly better home that suits them for the long term as well. It's not just about them though. It's about the average taxpayer who thinks, wait, the government is now helping certain people to buy and is now finding out that quite a lot of them earn more than £80,000 a year. But us taxpayers or my generation, your generation perhaps, Jeremy, have benefited from rising house prices and being able to buy properties when they were more affordable and cheaper. So one could say that this is you and me, the taxpayer giving something back to help first-time buyers buy a home that they want, that otherwise they might not be able to afford. Understood. Thank you so much. Both of you. Miles, ship side of right move. Rachel Oliver of Positive Money.


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Hello everyone and welcome to EHF's Impact Springboard. This is the first of our sessions, which is really exciting and today we are focusing on transformative ventures for global impact, which is showcasing a number of our EHF fellows. The idea of this Impact Springboard, which is the first since 2021 I believe, is a real focus on leading innovation for global impact. So we are just going to open with a karakea. My name is Michelle Parker. I am the Head of Fellowship Experience at EHF. It's nice to have you here with us, Denise, and Janine, expanding the mind. Okay, beautiful. Keep putting in your inspiration, why you're here. It's really nice to have you here with us and I'll hand over to Rosalie, our CEO of the Hillary Institute and Edmund Hillary Fellowship to introduce our panelists also. Over to you Rosalie. Oh, sorry, Rosalie, on mute. I have to say, I have been really looking forward to this session because it is an opportunity to really hear the voices of three what can only be described as transformative leaders. So these are EHF fellows that are building ventures that have the potential to deliver enormous value for the future and deploying cutting edge technologies that can improve or radically change existing systems.  So what I'm going to do is introduce each one of our panelists in turn. They'll have five minutes to share with us their sort of ventures and vision. And then we will open this up to everyone on the call to ask questions. So as you're listening, if you've got some burning questions, please put those into chat. We will come to those. Or alternatively during the Q&A part of this, you can put up your digital hand. I'd like to kick off straight into it by introducing Aaron McDonald. Aaron is a 20 year technology industry veteran who's at the cutting edge of blockchain and Web3 technologies. He's the co founder of Futureverse and Rediverse Studios, which have created the platform and tools for a multi world, multi IP Metaverse experience for mass consumers. Think of this as the future of entertainment and the Internet. Aaron, I'll let you demystify the Metaverse and Web3 for those that may not be familiar with it. What I'd note here is that Futureverse is one of only a handful of New Zealand unicorns, you know, privately held businesses with evaluation of over a billion dollars. And we do believe that it's New Zealand first Maori led unicorn. Aaron was co founder, centrality, general partner at NetEx Ventures and D64 Ventures, co founder of non fungible labs and co founder of altered state machine. And in 2019 he was named Ernst & Young Technology Entrepreneur of the Year and recognized by IDG as one of the top 50 technology leaders. So I'll hand over to Aaron to talk about the work that he's doing. So yeah, so thanks everyone for having me on really excited to be here to share a little bit about our story. As we kind of went over in that video Futureverse is a Kiwi media tech business. So we make software for the entertainment media video games industry. And really what we do is we kind of focus it on what we'd call the open Metaverse. So a little bit of kind of definition for what that is because as a term that's used a lot. And there's lots of different ways to think about it, but our simple way to think about it is it's the internet growing up. And so taking what was a flat web experience and making it into a more converged and immersive web experience. So it's blending all the things that used to be kind of standalone bits of your internet experience into one thing. So if you think in the past you had different silos of experience in media and communications and finance and banking and gaming. And you used to kind of experience those and go different different places to experience those and they were quite siloed when I started in technology. They were so siloed in fact that media companies and communications companies had their own separate infrastructure and networks. And as the internet's evolved, they've become more and more converged. And so that's really what the metaverse is about. It's that increasing convergence and increasing immersiveness of internet experiences. What we really do is we build data protocols to enable people to own their data and content on the internet. Take that with them between applications. We build technology for creating interoperable content and assets, particularly focused on generative AI. And then we work with world leading brands to showcase that technology in a range of different connected experiences. And so taking that technology and bringing it to life with the likes of Warner Brothers or FIFA or Reebok, a whole host of global leading brands that we can showcase how consumers can own their data and content on the internet and make it interoperable with other things. Aaron, thank you. And there's there's a lot to be able to take in there. Could you tell us just a little bit more about the deal that you've recently struck with Warner Brothers and what we're going to see tangibly out of that? Yeah, it's really exciting. Worked for a couple of years on this. I think in the popular mind and popular culture, people understand the word metaverse mostly through the expression of Ernie Klein and Steven Spielberg and Ready Player One. You know, when it's the go to kind of reference point for people to explain what they think the metaverse is and journalists and, you know, in popular culture it's referenced all the time. In fact, when Apple Vision Pro launched late last year, their kind of PR campaign, Ready Player One was trending alongside that because it is so intrinsically linked to the popular mind about what the metaverse is. So as part of our mission to demonstrate what that can really mean for consumers, we wanted to have the world's best IP in these five different sectors. So sports, mass media, music, consumer goods and celebrity and culture, and there is no better IP in the world than Ready Player One to bring the idea of the open metaverse to life through. And so we actually formed a joint venture with the creator, Ernie Klein and producer of the movie Dan Farah and partnership with Warner Brothers to own the IP for Ready Player One to activate it in using our technology and really show how we can bring lots of different games, applications, experience and content together in one place, make it interoperable and give users power back over their data and content. Aaron, thank you. That's incredibly exciting and I'm sure that there'll be lots of questions from our audience around that. So please put those in chat. Next up, I'd like to introduce to Benita Das, who's an award winning technology entrepreneur, and she's the CEO and co founder of Sorcero. So Sorcero is the leading platform for AI powered medical analytics for life sciences. It's Google's partner for medical analytics and generative AI and medical publications, and also Amazon Web Services partner in health equity analytics. What I sort of got to understand this is that Sorcero applies advanced analytics to medical and scientific content. So it allows medical specialists to explore these vast libraries and constantly changing libraries of unstructured medically relevant content, illuminating the most meaningful analytics and insights in order to improve patient outcomes. It's produced by six of the world's top 20 life sciences companies and Dipponita previously built the digital scientific platform for the largest global public health policy initiative influencing health outcomes for over 3 billion people. And she's graduated from three of the world's top five startup accelerators. So Dipponita welcome and we'd love to hear more about Sorcero and your vision. It's lovely to be speaking with you all today. So let me start a little bit about why this matters. So we are all patients, every one of us and everyone we care for are also patients and many of us have had, have had to be caregivers as people we love deal with complex illnesses, you know, starting from cancer to everything else. At the same time, the world of science is really exciting because there are new treatments coming out every day. As a simple data point right now that are 1100 compounds that are in phase three that the FDA is going to approve in over 60% of them over the next five years, which means the world technically is awash with new ways of treating some of the most prevalent illnesses of our time. And you think that would automatically make patient lives better and automatically many of us are going to access that and get better. But that is fundamentally not true. And when we unpack that and how do we make sure that these treatments actually get to patients in a in a timely and useful manner, we start to see several glitches in that process. And the glitch or the glitches that we work on are how do we make sure that patients patient advocates physicians, not just in the country in which the drug was first produced, but, but physicians were treating everyone across the world with that particular disease or particular disease state, are able to understand these products know when to apply it, and to be able to figure out how patients are going to pay for it. In the case of reimbursement, and this entire process is an act of in large volumes of data analysis and communicating the efficacy the safety and the value of those products, so that patients can access it so that physicians can prescribe it and so the pairs when reimbursements are required will reimburse it. So with Sorcero, what we've done is we've solved first and foremost, the data challenge of bringing all of this information together and making sure that the farm and the manufacturers in this case the pharma companies and their medical affairs leaders who are specialist product manufacturers functionally have the ability to understand where their products are not properly understood, and how to overcome those information gaps. We also use that to design workflows, most of this work has been done manually for the last, you know, 100 years it's PowerPoint decks and Excel sheet so it's inefficient it's unscalable. The first is there is not a classic understanding of customer intelligence so a pharma company cannot really tell for example, those with a particular kind of breast cancer in New Zealand, who might be operating with different genetic modifications or different social determinants of health or different ways of adopting the same medicine as in the United States how do we treat them with that particular product or that particular asset. Thank you. We work with across the globe with customers in Japan and Europe and hopefully New Zealand soon as well. And we help pharma companies communicate the effectiveness and safety and access around their products. Divinita, thank you. And that's really exciting. May I ask, and I realize that this may be a little bit homegrown, but you did talk about New Zealand. Where do you see the potential of the application for our theater in New Zealand. And, you know, New Zealand represents a market, which is very interesting so new, it's not so a lot of the new products are created in some of the bigger markets in the world by certain leading institutions. You think of the Mayo Clinic in others as the leading institutions and a lot of the researchers in those leading institutions will come up with new products but when they're actually running clinical trials and this is really where diversity really becomes key. And I think that these clinical trials are often recruiting patients from a very narrow population. And that's determined by geography access to that particular center that particular researcher. And also when the FDA approves a product and particularly now they're doing it for narrow or narrow or patient population so it's not everyone with breast cancer it's people with breast cancer within a certain demographic with certain genetic mutation so it's very, very narrow. And when that product actually goes to market, we the manufacturer knows that there are people all over the world that have that condition and need that particular drug or need that particular therapy, but their physicians actually don't know how to prescribe it. And the insurers don't know how to justify the financial value of reimbursing it, particularly when it goes across the world.  Also different countries represent very different genetic profiles and have other factors in their environment that will impact a patient. So making sure that it's not just a drug for cancer but a drug for Rosalie. So we're kind of making that move towards personalized medicine. How do you communicate it and making sure that a country like New Zealand which represents a very wide and diverse genetic pool and social determinants of health is all represented in that data is really essential. It's similar to a country like Brazil or anything else where there might only be one or two top researchers who are working on that particular disease state. It's really important that their patient populations are represented in the data so that those treatments can make it to them. Thank you. And now I'd like to introduce our third panelist, Lovina McMurty, who is the Chief Operating Officer of Cry10 and she's partnered with another fellow Boyd Maltra, who came to Aotearoa, New Zealand five years ago to found the company. Cry10 has been best described in the way that I can understand it as really the operating system for smart infrastructure. It offers a secure operating system for software defined machines and the manufacturing energy and automotive sectors. Lovina herself will be known to many both here and overseas as she spent the last 20 years investing in and launching growth businesses. So she started her career with Amazon and Starbucks and Microsoft, where she worked on innovative services such as Alexa, Skype and Starbucks mobile ordering. And then she was investing as a general partner in New Zealand's largest venture capital company MoVac and she served on the board of several private and public SaaS companies, including one of New Zealand's most successful tech ventures push pay. And she holds an MBA from Harvard University and a master in mathematics from the University of Auckland. So Lovina does currently live in Seattle but is really deeply connected into New Zealand ecosystem. So Lovina, we'd love to hear more about Cry10. Thanks, Rosalie. Well, similarly to Dipanita, I might start by talking a little bit about how we see the world changing because I think when you create a technology company, you're often trying to be ahead of where you see the world going. Your world view matters a lot. I think since the Industrial Revolution, we've been very dependent on machines, different types of machines. Whether it's for providing power to our houses and we turn on the light switch, whether it's picking up a cell phone and being able to communicate with each other, transport, getting from A to B, cars, trains, hospitals, ventilators, heart monitors and factories that build the stuff that we expect to be able to purchase in shops. And if you think about these machines and how they're changing, in the past, they were often quite statically defined. There may or may not have been a little bit of software in them. But if there was software, it was probably written once, tested, and then shipped. And its functionality then stayed the same more or less until you changed out the machine. And as we look at what's happening with machines as we go into the future, that they're really becoming software defined in a way that they can change and adapt what they do across time. We're seeing a proliferation of these different sorts of machines that we rely on. So they've been distributed. They're often remote from a management point of view. And they're becoming more and more intelligent with that software that's helping them be adaptive. But it's also taking constantly taking in data from the world itself so that the machines can make better and better decisions. As we see, AI also proliferate. A lot of those AIs are at the edge on the machines that are listening to data. And the AI is really automating a lot of how that machine behaves. And so as we think about this world, it offers absolutely tremendous convenience and potential and efficiency for everybody. But it also creates new risks that we've never seen before. Because if we think about taking all the machines that we depend on that run our world and connecting them up to the internet and attaching AIs to them, how do we make sure that they're really secure and that they're safe from cyber attacks? And the other thing that's changing in the world, I would say, is probably nation states and how they compete and go to war. In the past, war was about sending soldiers and planes out to a field of battle that was often in a different country, at least for many of us in the Western world. But in the future, warfare really becomes nation states trying to attack the basic services and infrastructure of the places where we all live.  You may think of manufacturing as being not critical infrastructure. But if we think about everyone's experience during COVID, when we weren't able to get our staff, I mean, it actually kind of undermined social stability in our countries. And of course, that's the very MO I think of some of the nation state actors that are seeking to attack some of these software defined machines. So that's how we see the world changing. Crichton, as you mentioned, is offering a secure operating system that makes many of those sorts of attacks, cyber attacks, impossible. And when we work in security, there's a lot of different, you know, vendors who offer security solutions who say, hey, you know, we're very secure. But we are using a very advanced technique based on mathematics, where every line of code inside the Crichton operating system actually has a mathematical proof that describes exactly what it can or can't do. It's very deterministic in a way that most software isn't. Most software is kind of thrown together. It works when you ship it, but over time as updates happen, and as the functionality changes, it can break. And when you have a deterministic software system such as we're building, you're in the position of really understanding definitively what that software will do, which brings a higher order level of safety and security to these critical machines. It's a big task to build a new operating system. If you look across the last 30 years and say, how many new operating systems have they ever been built in the world? There aren't very many. You've got Windows, you've got Linux. But in our case, you know, Boyd Maltra, who you talked about, is the CEO of the company and has a pedigree in building operating systems that really is unrivaled. He spent 17 years working at Microsoft. He was the technical visionary behind Xbox Live, which was the largest online service of its kind at that time. He built the operating system from hardware through to all of the update servers for Xbox 360. And so we're very fortunate to have him inside the program and having chosen New Zealand as the place that he wants to launch this company to really change the world in a way that we can all depend on the things that we want to depend on, that our cars will work, that our lights will turn on, that when we turn the tap on, water will come out, and that when we click on Amazon, you know, within a couple of days we'll get goods delivered to us. So that's what we're doing at Crichton. Levena, the potential and the vision of this is vast and critical. Where are you seeing the first engagement and interest? Where are the sort of first applications taking root for you? Yeah, in a couple of different sectors. Automotive is one that's, you know, has sort of deep engagement with us at the moment. And I think some of that is because there is a generational change in the software architecture handling with cars. You know, previously they were largely kind of manufactured. The functionality inside the car was hardwired, if you like, and they weren't really defined based on software. And as, you know, Tesla has led the way now for the rest of the world to take cars and think of them as almost like cell phones on wheels, where you can constantly upgrade them, you can download new functionality, you can make them better and improve them across time. And that's great. But again, when you take so many different suppliers and software manufacturers that need to come together in order to make a car, how can you be sure that one person or one supplier's software, let's say, for the entertainment system doesn't take down, let's say, the braking system in the car. And so that really does require a very different and provable level of security in order for all those bits of software to coexist. The other place that we're really seeing a lot of interest, I talked about electrical grids. And so again, what's the future of the electrical grid? A lot of it is moving towards micro grids that are distributed down at the community level. And where different micro grid grids and energy assets have the ability to listen to each other's data and then adjust how they're functioning so that they can respond to the overall level of, you know, demand that's coming from, you know, from all of us consumers and factories. And so similarly with these systems running a smart grid requires us to be able to pull data out of the grid and send instructions back down to the grid. And as that happens, the grid becomes more software defined. Then how do we make sure that those pathways of communication are not opening up the ability for cyber attacks. Lovina, thank you. And all of all of you have stimulated so many thoughts and questions, but I want to start with just some that are coming through and chat at the moment. There's one here from David Bent for you, Aaron, which is, do you agree with the technology policy analyst and sci-fi writer, Cory Doctorow, that interoperability can save the open web, because it frees us from big text walled gardens. And I think this goes to the very heart of what your vision is for the metaverse. Yeah, I'll kind of try and try and answer that alongside the other question that was asked earlier. And I think there is a bit of a tendency for key entrepreneurs to kind of downplay a little bit what they're doing. But my granddad did always tell me to walk softly, but carry a big stick. I think the core thing here is that the metaverse isn't some far off thing and it's not a game you play. It's around us every day. The average human will spend something like 45 years of their life looking at a screen. And so the digital world, the digital economy, the digital science society is our world. It is our economy. It is our society. You know, like Levina said, the systems and infrastructure that our society is based on is based in this digital stuff. I think if we took that away or it broke, then society might collapse altogether. So with that as context, it's like really important that we put humans and communities back at the center of the platform that drives that world. And I think that's, you know, when the web three community in particular started to think about digital ownership online, you know, the things we value increasingly live in this digital space. That was one of the core ideas of that movement and that technology was to put control of the underlying fabric of society and infrastructure back in the hands of communities. And so we're kind of at this precipice now where if we don't do that, the alternate is this kind of bad world where a mega corporation owns everything.  You know, if we can't get to a position where, where everyday humans can have a, have a real say about how that technology is used, how it's trained, how it's applied in our society, then it's going to create some very, I think, terrible consequences. And so when we think about creating technology that enables that ownership for individuals and communities, there are two halves to that, to that problem. One half is the ownership path, which web three for digital value solved.  The protocols have these cool things called smart contracts, which essentially deterministic software like Lovina was explaining before that enable people to kind of rely on code in a way that wasn't possible before. The other half of that and particularly when it comes to how you bring that data to life in the content domain is about interoperability because if you have ownership, but no interoperability you really own nothing. And I think that's been the real big challenge and problem for the web three community at large to demonstrate what the open metaverse looks like is because they focus so hard on, on ownership and without bringing meaning to it with interoperability because if I can't take my stuff to somewhere else, then it has no value value at the ownership itself has no value if it can only be used in one place. And so that's really what we've been focusing on is adding that layer of interoperability and thinking about interoperability of content in a different way, so that when you walk through to this next generation of the internet which is this more immersive content domain, that you can have both of those things and you can truly be in control of those things as a community or as a user. Can I open this both up to divanita and also to the vener because I can see that both of you are creating, perhaps not in quite the same consumer content way but in the enabling platform for the future. And it would be great just to get your vision of where you see the potential for this if you were incredibly successful in 10 years time, what would be the change that we would see and feel within systems in the world. It's a very big question but divanita we could start with you. You're right it's actually a very small easy to answer question. I wanted to actually draw on one thread that but I think Aaron and the vener mentioned before I give my answer and that's the role of the human being. At the end of the day, we not only are the creators of transformative technology but actually the consumers of it and when we chose to bring this to pharma and to life sciences and to medicine and to inform how patients are treated.  But when we talk to our customers we're constantly trying to put them at the center of this information, because at the end of the day, if they know how to deploy these tools properly, and that they can evolve, and they they're thinking and processes can evolve at the speed of this new tech, then the assumption is they'll be able to keep up and deliver those transformative impacts to their own consumers and customers so I think that keeping the human in the middle and, you know, in front is actually really really important and kind of essential. The other role is, you know, we use the phrase responsible AI there's a lot of work on that, but responsible AI means very different things in different contexts as well. And we have to think about trust in this regard in a big way is that where does a system. Let me restate this that the tolerance that people have for a machine making a mistake is much much lower than the tolerance somebody has for a human being making mistake. I don't know what the benchmarks are right now but I remember three four years ago I think human error I mean human accuracy was like at 89%. When you put a machine in the middle you're looking at a 99% expectation I think the FDA cutoff is 96.1 right so we're actually straining these algorithms which are not intelligent to to kind of exceed human accuracy so I think there's a a lot of things to kind of unpack here when you come when you kind of put the human in the middle, and I think this is also why we need to keep the experts in the middle, because they can make that final decision and really sort of sign off as it were on the suggestion and prediction. But if so Sarah with with all of this and there are lots of hurdles for us to jump over but with all of this if so Sarah were achieves its newest vision, my hope is the minute a life transforming treatment comes to market. The information that drives the adoption of that treatment is is sort of equally distributed across the world so if there are two patients in New Zealand and 10 million in India and if there are 70 million in in the US. They, they and their physicians know how to use it and have access to it at the same time, and I think the time factor is really, really important to me, because a lot of these new treatments are on diseases where you're measuring you know survival in months. So that kind of diversity and gap and inequity in knowing and access is is that information gap is what I hope to have resolved. Definitely. Thank you. Levena. Again, I think an interesting question one perhaps that you'll come from a different lens on. Yes, I mean I can see the technology that we're enabling the things we're enabled enabling some of the most important. You know trends or changes that will see in the world over the next kind of 20 or 30 years and you know our role will be to make them secure enough that will do the change management to embrace them. And so some of the big ones that I think of would be electric electrification of the grid, which has a big impact obviously on the outlook for climate. And so that's that's a huge one in order to electrify the grid we've got to be able to make sure that the grid cannot get attacked as it shares that information and becomes a more intelligent and manufacturing it's things like preventative maintenance, which will drive massive efficiencies and manufacturing. And so there's some big changes that we're enabling that you only have if you can guarantee security, but then there's also when you're in security one of the things you're trying to do is prevent risk. And I don't want to be like dystopian about it or anything but I think about the positive things will enable but also the negative things that will prevent. And, you know, at the moment, as an example, in the US, many of the, you know, pharmacies are unable to deliver people's prescriptions they can't fulfill them because of a large cyber attack that's occurred here in the US. The UK had similar problems with its ambulance dispatch ahead, you know, a week where it was very difficult if you had some problem at home to get an ambulance actually routed to your house. And so again, it's all of these things that we expect as a society that we actually completely take for granted because we just assume that things will keep working. And if you turn the car on it will work, it's in the light on it will work. I'm sick. I can get a prescription. Those things are, you know, all at risk as we think about kind of the future of the world. And I think more fundamentally like why is that that happening to us. I think it's a battle of ideologies and I think that, you know, democracies at three, I think this is a sort of playbook that's really meant to underline undermine our political system and in the kind of western world. And so it's sort of big to sort of go from electrification to democracy. But if anyone's seen a movie on Netflix at the moment, Julia Roberts called leave the world behind. I think everyone at Crichton watched that and there was a lot of head nodding because it's not it's not really science fiction. These are real scenarios that are risks for us that many of us don't need to think about every day. But what you have governments behind the scenes thinking about it a lot and really working hard on how do we make sure the sorts of things that we see in these movies don't really happen to us in real life. And governments working on making sure that they can can do those things to the other governments. That is true. Don't disagree with that. Right. All of you are creating tools for the future. You're not looking to just address the here and now you're having to both keep ahead of and build for the future. What are some of the critical challenges and doing this and I'm thinking both in terms of educating markets but also in terms of raising investment. How is that experience being for you and I'll just have that as an open question.  So I'd just like to hear a little bit more about your experience. Yeah I mean I think New Zealand if we could kind of bring it back to New Zealand as a technology and investing community is very much centered around a couple of specialist areas. I think like business sass being one of them you know that the success of zero and the industry that kind of the VC industry that built up around that success knows that formula well. And so when you're trying to do something different it's hard to get people's attention and and even if you do it's hard for them to understand what you're trying to do, even like kind of the fundamental metrics and drivers we have in my fund side of things something like 45 active portfolio companies now a lot of them are building in these areas of like consumer tech and things that aren't kind of that. They're central to New Zealand's kind of thesis for investing and so they've had to look for other places to raise capital. And so, you know we have a hard job explaining what we're doing because it's new, and there's lots of misinformation about it. The technology layer media in New Zealand is actually pretty poor, you know group think type approach to how they kind of see these new opportunities or how this technology has been applied there are very few journalists that actually get it and understand the tech deeply. We tend to jump on bang bang wagons and like you mentioned you know, future future verse has been in literally every other major publication in the world you know celebrating the success of this Kiwi company. That's you know generating hundreds of millions of dollars and and building technology for the world's biggest brands, you know, publishing world leading AI research and all this kind of stuff and like not not not a boo from the New Zealand media. We don't actually care about that too much because our market and our customers and our community is is the world you know that's the nature of business these days it is a global industry, but it does make it has made it difficult in the early stages to to grow the business and to find talent and do all those kinds of things that you might not have as a problem if you're if you're in another market that's more abrasive of the consumer side of technology or of emerging technology in general. And so, you know we've raised over the years across portfolio companies. We're getting close to 300 or 400 million New Zealand dollars, almost all of that has been offshore, because of the fact that you know the funding infrastructure for these kinds of businesses really doesn't exist in New Zealand and it's hard for the average investors to get the head around it. So, you know, back in particular was like kind of the one, you know, stand out, you know amongst that ecosystem that kind of was more focused on growth stage companies and had a little bit kind of, you know, I think probably a different outlook on on what made a successful company perhaps and then a lot of the VC ecosystem in New Zealand. Levena Scott probably got way more insights on that than I do. Yeah. And Levena actually we would love just to hear from that both in the context of criteria. But I really agree with what Aaron saying that there's certain sectors that the New Zealand VC market really understands like, you know, business sass would be kind of a classic one. I think at the moment, you know, aerospace and you know, space rocket ships and definitely understand consumer tech. Yeah, really, really hard because we haven't shown in the past a history of leading at that. Having said that, you know, Christon did get its funding from the New Zealand ecosystem and the Australian ecosystem so I put Australia and New Zealand into kind of one big bucket as regional funding. We've been tremendously supported by, you know, New Zealand growth capitals actually government funding. I think New Zealand growth capitals put more money into Christon than it has into any other pre revenue company out there.  So, you know, I think we've been pretty well supported in this ecosystem. And I think that's not true of every venture like Aaron's a good example. But what I'd say about Kiwi companies is, luckily, we can raise in both places, you can try and tap the local market that has one set of funding criteria. And if you don't fit that funding criteria, you still have the ability to go to go offshore. And I think particularly over the last couple of years, there's been less barriers to offshore VCs coming and investing in New Zealand. In the past, there was always this question of where were you domiciled. And so there were some barriers like that. But I think that we've really seen capital globalize, you know, during that COVID time period. And so I think you've got a great business. Any entrepreneur in the world, when they're raising capital, it comes down to finding the source of capital where their thesis matches what you're doing. And that's hard work because there's so many different sources of capital. We know kind of the big names like a Sequoia or a benchmark, but really most companies raise capital, not from those companies, right? There's literally hundreds of thousands of funds around the world. And it's hard work for anyone to take their particular business and find those set of investors that you have, you know, what you're doing exactly matches their thesis. And we were lucky that that was the case in our recent round with Folk Law as an example, who's an Australian VC. Yeah, if I could just add a little bit to that, like, I think, you know, definitely don't miss the opportunity to connect with the Australian VCs. They really do have a thesis around Kiwi companies, you know, likes of Airtree and Blackbird, for example, as well. They're really good folks. They have, you know, a presence in the local market. Blackbird's just up at K Road, for example, and they have really knowledgeable teams that understand, you know, a wide range of things. In fact, we did actually receive investment from Airtree early on in a portfolio company. And so don't miss that opportunity. And I think the other thing is being an investor in Kiwi companies. If you're a VC out there that's looking to invest in this ecosystem, really take a hard look. Because one thing about Kiwi businesses is, you know, that historical lack of access to capital markets in the same way that, say, US companies have had access to, means that Kiwis typically build better businesses faster. And what I mean by that, they have to rely on cash flow and they have to rely on good product market fit to get them to the point of a growth stage company, because they don't have tons of money to throw at those problems. And so if you're looking for good investments to make, definitely look hard here because Kiwi companies tend to build better companies faster. If I could make one more comment, because Aaron's getting my juices going on this topic. But I also say if you're an entrepreneur, not to think about it as an either or on where you take capital. I think that Kiwi VCs and offshore VCs invest very differently. The offshore VCs, including the Australians do more power law investing. And what that means is, as long as you stay in the top 10% of their portfolio, you're good. But if you slip below that, you may not get them to sort of follow on with funding. Whereas New Zealand VCs are almost like not VCs. They're really like mid-market PE investors. But the benefit of that is they'll stick with you. They want to bring you over the line and see you get to some point of exit, even if that's not 100 times return. You still matter to them. And all they can do is invest in New Zealand companies because most of them have taken New Zealand government funding that restricts them to this market. And so if you think about starting off as an entrepreneur, are you going to be that unicorn like Aaron? Or are you going to be a decent mid-market company that also has a good path in front of it and needs to be nurtured? And I always think that taking a little bit of capital from both of those sources is a little bit of a head, John. What sort of company you end up being. That's really good. Thank you. Thank you. We've got a couple of questions and I think we can bend them together. And look, because we've only got five minutes left, this will have to be the last question. But how does a Kiwi company that is key partners in both the US and China, across risk and opportunity in the complex relationship between these two important governments? And another aspect this was, you know, amidst the growing geopolitical tension and signs of more regionalised rather than globalised world, especially on AI chips and data, how do you navigate some of that? And Devinita, I don't know if this is something that sort of lands in for you, particularly in terms of the healthcare sector. I would say it's a yes and no. So we are not building foundational models, which means the kind of compute we use is just functionally different. What we have to deal with, on the other hand, is country-based regulations on those models themselves. So in order to power source arrows, various products and various product features, we fine tune like 23 different frontier models made by different people, some open source and some not. And they're fine tuned and then picked on the base of the task. But let's say for our customers, you know, as we move from country to country, they have regulations on reporting, on the application layer, and on what models they will allow and what model manufacturers they will allow and not. And so for us, the bigger burden is making sure we have the infrastructure to hot swap models in and out without compromising on performance and staying within the regulatory guidelines of a geography. And we do see this as and the other interesting part is the liability assumption around core training. So for example, you know, and I know there's a lot of lawsuits out there at the moment on sort of training data. But if you're not actually building the model where you are using it, you're sort of in this application layer and the EU just brought us some interesting new rules around that. But then what is the burden on reporting on on the application layer that's using different models. So we think a lot more on that and the geopolitics of regulations around that rather than chips and more what I would call foundational model creation issues. Naveena or Aaron, anything that you would add? I mean, I think it's it's clear we're in a multipolar world now and it's important to understand that when you're building your company and your partnerships and your infrastructure, you know, we are building financial foundational models. And so some of this stuff is kind of becoming quite interesting for us in terms of how we approach that, you know, where data comes from and how it's used. All of those things are starting to pop up their heads and there's no doubt that the arms race that is active in this kind of global political landscape now is an AI arms race. And so I think, you know, you have to be cognizant of that. One of the things that's probably a little bit unique about us is, you know, when you're building web three technology, it is open peer to peer technology. And so the infrastructure in which these systems run on is kind of truly global and bound, you know, doesn't have the same kind of boundaries or or controls that necessarily apply to traditional infrastructure. So you can kind of step back a little bit from that in terms of how you think about the future of technology and the future of the applications you're building. But I would say that we're, you know, there's a real chance that things are going to get a bit hotter. And some of those lines that are kind of soft lines in the sand about where you operate from and how you operate and where your data is and where your infrastructure is are going to get a lot harder. Yeah, I think New Zealand's normal approach is to say, hey, we want to be friends with everybody sitting in the Asia Pacific region, but we also have strong alignments into, you know, five eyes. And so as a country, we try and walk that line. We don't pick sides. I think for Creighton as a company, we absolutely have to pick sides because where we're focused to build our business is around a lot of different U.S. and European government cyber agencies, you know, Department of Energy, Department of Defense, Defense, et cetera, et cetera. And in those environments, there's not only having investment from China that you're not allowed to do, you can't even have a revenue reliance of a company that's Chinese because it calls you into question. So, you know, I don't think that's true of every country, but I think more and more, we're going, you know, different entities are going to be faced to make those sorts of choices where they can't straddle both worlds, but we'll have to, you know, vote one way or the other. And that's just the reflection of the world we're living in, I think. So a huge thank you to you all. There is so much that we could keep exploring. Can I just encourage everyone who's still on the call just to go and explore these companies, what they're doing is extraordinary and their leadership is often quite self deprecating. So have a look through and see just the extraordinary impact these organizations are having. And I want to say a huge thank you, Aaron, Devanita, Levina, for your time, your vision and all that you're doing here. And just encourage everyone else who's on the call to join us for some of the other springboard sessions this week as we have a number that are around innovation. I'll just pass back to Michelle. Hello, everyone. Yes, thank you, Devanita, Levina, Aaron and Rosalie also for a great conversation and looking into the future, but also recognizing that the future is now. So Ray has a lot of questions and there's a lot of work to be done here. We'd love to hear in the chat just really quickly some quick feedback for our panelists just to get an understanding and insight into what was something of value to you from this session. So have a little think and put it in the chat. And also we are considering whether we move these forward as a series looking at diving deep and showcasing a number of our fellows throughout the year because really this is just three out of over 500 fellows doing incredible work. And so we're keen to bring this transformative ventures for global impact into a series, but put your insights in and then also answer a yes, a big yes, if you are keen for more of these conversations to and let's see if we can bring those to life. And as you're doing that, just a thank you again and the link for the sessions. Can we drop that in the chat team because we do as Rosalie said have a few more conversations throughout this week between today and Thursday, New Zealand time so have a look at those and definitely come along. And it's been great to have you all here a mix of innovation ecosystem, our fellows public and private sector so it's been just incredible to have have you all here. And with that we will close out with a karakia. So thank you again everybody. Kia ora everyone. Thank you again.


Okay, so you've gone out you've taken a bunch of pictures whether it's with a tablet a camera a cell phone an iPod or something like that you've come home, and you're ready to download your pictures So you plug in your memory card into your computer and then boom I photo opens so let me jump in and show you how to fix this first I'm gonna start by plugging in a memory card You'll see that memory card pop up and then instantly I photo is gonna open now You may not see this right away, but at the top you've got some options photos shared albums projects Import right here what you want to do is click on the import button And when you click on the import button over here on the left hand side You'll see an option that says open photos for this device All we're gonna do is turn that off and then go ahead and quit photos or I photo whatever you're calling it these Days and then we're gonna eject the memory card. I'm gonna pull the card out plug it back in and nothing should happen So there you can see that my memory card has been detected But I photo or photos has not been launched now We've gone ahead and turn that off and that's how you stop I photo from importing your pictures


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can find you there and you'll see all the code that I'm going to show you. So my name is John Britten. I work at a company called Twilio out of San Francisco, but I live in New York. I write, I've originally got a programming in-feet programmer. I know that's kind of a sad origin, but that's where I came from. And now I do Ruby stuff. And I want to talk to you about quick and dirty apps that I build. Basically whenever I have an idea and I want to push something out really quickly, these are the tools that I use to make that happen, you know, in hours instead of days. So I usually sit down with an idea and I want to get it cranked out and pop and running in all of them in a few minutes. So we're going to talk about Sinatra, DataMatter, Roku, and Restline. So if you're not familiar with Sinatra already, it's a really lightweight framework that lets you do stuff like this. Just specify your URL, do some Ruby code, and then return it to the browser. Reload it to Sinatra. DataMatter. So I originally, when I started writing these small apps, you know, quick and dirty apps, I don't like to store data because it depends, you know, if I can get around storing things, I try to. But I found DataMatter and it's, you know, really simple to set up, you know, persistent objects within these small apps. And Restline. So I use a lot of APIs for all these different things. I like to go across and, you know, pull in different data sources. Restline makes it super simple to do. You can see if you want to do a get, you can say get, your URL, post your URL, whatever you want to use. With DataMatter, you can do simple stuff like this. Just define your class, include DataMatter, and now you can set up relationships and set up different fields. Automatically increments all its stuff. It's really easy to do. And then Naroku. So once you build these apps, and you want to get them out the door, and you don't want to set up the server, you don't want to manage anything, you just put them on the Naroku. So I'm going to give you three different examples of apps. So we're going to walk through what I built and how they work, and we're going to ask you questions. Feel free to interrupt at any time. So I sent three emails to the organizers asking them all kinds of information about this event, and, you know, the common responses. Let me Google that for you. How can I find, you know, what's going on?   So I made this little app. It's online. It's off online.  So you can go to it'sinyourfuckinggmail.com, and you'll see all of my stuff that's really on else. So now my friends ask me, how do you, like, where is this event going to be? What's going to be? I've already emailed it to you.  Go there, and you'll find it. So it's a really simple app. All I had to do was simple get in it, create an app.rb file. It's six lines, and then you have, you know, Jetfile, use SNOTRA, and big.ru just sends SNOTRA app to Heroku so you can get everything set up. That's a really trivial example. It doesn't use anything. It's just SNOTRA. So the next thing that I want to show you is something a little bit more complicated. It's called call Congress. So again, my friends have a lot of things to complain about, and they say, oh man, I really wish that this bill was passed, or, you know, the government would choose to make the laws, and they came my way, and what's the response? You know, don't worry about it. You don't tell your Congresspeople. The problem is they might not know exactly the phone numbers or how to get in contact with people. So I came up with this idea, wouldn't it be great if we just had a phone number that you could call, and it would directly connect you to the Congresspeople that are relevant to you. So I'm from Massachusetts originally, and I'm still a voter in Massachusetts. I've never updated my business since I left. And I'm going to show you, first I'll show you the app, and then tell you how it works. Here it is. So you can go onto my GitHub, and you can find this there. This is a public forum where anybody can call it. So the idea for the app was, you know, you call this number, 491-2262, and then you can say you've got a speakerphone. So I'm going to call John Kerry. Why don't we connect you to John Kerry? Alright, he's a lot of people right now, so I've got his voice up. But if you go out and you call this number, what will happen is it'll look up your area code, it'll figure out where you're from, it'll give you a list of the senators and representatives in your area, and it'll give you a dial-in menu. Now this is all done in a web app, and I'll show you how that works. Alright, so the first thing we do is we require some gems. Then next we grab our sunlight key. So it's an environment, a little bit of a set, and sunlight labs. If you haven't heard of them before, you should definitely check them out. They have a bunch of APIs for getting government data.  So I grab my sunlight key and the first thing is you make a request to my Call Congress app, which is how I'll bring up, call-congress.heroku.com slash what I need to do as a post. Alright, so I'm using an HDD console, there's a command line app to do setting, put post, put delete, HD request to whatever, you know, whatever HD resource you want to do. And you'll see on here that if I do a post request to, you know, my app, it'll give me a builder, which is my welcome thing. And this is what you just heard on the phone. It's just planning trees and call Congress, we make it easy, and then we send a redirect to people. So we'll do a post on people. And what that does is it will bring up it'll take the zip code of the person who's calling in, put a post on that API, grab their legislators, and then spit out the names of all those people with a dial in. So press one for this, press two for John Oliver, press three for John Kerry. If you don't have a zip code when you call it, the app will spit back a, we don't know your zip code, and it'll drop you into a National Congress dial in number. And the last thing is you press a button and press one, it will go out to the API again, get the list of people and then match it up with both the user entered and then connect me to the center of the Congress person that I selected. So the interesting thing about this app is that there is no data storage. So I'm really lazy. I save, I'm doing two API calls. So once when I give the options and another when I process what users selected, just because I'm super lazy and I don't want to store that stuff in my app. So the next app that I want to show you guys is called Spong Lottery, and this one's a bit more interactive. So if you can all take out your cell phones, I hope everybody here has a cell phone. And there's beer, there's beer on the line here. So if you don't take out your cell phones and call the number here, call this number that's highlighted. So it's pretty simple, it says hey thanks for calling and I hung up on you. So now now that you've all called in, I'll show you what this actually does. What I've set up here is a new data mapper which is super convenient for small apps like this. I can just define a class, call entrance, so each one of you is an entrance and you all have an ID and a phone number and an eligibility. So once you win, I won't let you win again and I'll set that flag to default. And then I have a validation in here that says each one of you should only enter once. So each entrance should only appear in the database once for each phone number. So if you call again, you won't get entered again. So if you keep calling, oh there's a lot of ringing going on. Okay cool, so you're getting your SMA. So that's why I'm just defined as the entrance so each one of you. And then this line here, data mapper.auto-upgrade which is really nice. What it does is it sets up my database. From up here I have a SMApper.setup and it has my database URL from Roku which is like preset. Or if I'm running this locally, you'll just use an sqlite database. And this auto-upgrade line, what it does is it just actually goes and creates the table and updates all the columns in the table forming. So if I was to change this and add another field, it would just you know, I can't go back and add a new field. Because I take it out of the field and leave all the data, so you have to be a little bit careful about that. But I don't have to manage migrations at all for really simple apps that I've been trying to just bust out in a couple hours. This is really great to have. So when you called in what happened was my phone number is connected to this URL. See it? But it just slash entrant and that's handled by this handler right here. And it just creates a new entrant with your phone number and respond with the entrant builder which is just an XML that says thanks for calling we'll call you back if you may. We're going to skip over the host right now. Actually let's see who I'm going to show here. What I'm going to show next is account. So this is if I go here I'll just take refresh. I'll see that 71 of you entered. And the way that this works is it do a get request on account. It figures out how much there is and returns a hamlet. And then what I want to do now is I'll call the number. So I think there was a prize to give out. Yeah, Altrac has another gift for the winner of this one. It's a messenger bag. There's a messenger bag and a beer for the first person and then everybody else gets beers. So there's four more beers to give out after that. And I'll tell you how this works. What I've done is I set up a special number here. So I'm calling this number and I'll hold it up for your mics. So make sure all your phone ringers are turned on so that you know who's going to call me to the first person who wins. And this is actually just running this winner handler right now. It's collecting all the eligible end-runs and then it's creating a call to one of them. And marking them as I'll somebody over there answer. Alright, so you go in the bag.  And now it's going to connect me to the next winner. It's going to hit this URL again to the winner of URL. Select an eligible person and then it's going to connect me to that. Alright, so I have four beer tickets to give away. Alright, you're welcome. Go get it. Alright, I'll leave that there for a second. So the next person who wins gets a beer ticket. So I'll step through here and grab your beer ticket. So what's going on here is I'm going to grab your beer ticket. I'm going to grab your beer ticket. So what's going on here is I'll call that later on What's going on here is it's going out to the entrance grabbing all the eligible end-runs randomly selecting one and then redirecting my call to a a piece of X and I will connect my phone to the winner. And now the next thing I want to show you is a little bit of stuff with breasts on it. Let me see if I have this. So for all of you people who didn't win I created this other thing which is called losers. So it's really I'll put it in here. What you can see is these are all the phone numbers of all of the people that lost. So they're still eligible to win but haven't won. I'll just kick that name together. And the way I'm doing that is right here Yeah, it's all good. So it's going through grabbing each one and then just collecting them into an array and then returning that array stuff. I'm also I'll just give you the last two digits of your number so that you don't get angry with me. So that's pretty cool but all I'm doing for that is I'm just going through the database I already have and using DataMapper So where am I using breast plan and all of this? Well, if I want to do something interesting with all of your phone numbers, like call you back. I could use the rest client to actually make requests out to the Twilio API and here's the call that I'm using kind of hard to read here. Like I said, this is really dirty but it's just a restplanned.post and then the myaccountsid which is an environment variable, myaccount token is an environment variable, the Twilio API URL and then the calls resource, live from phone number, live from phone number and then your loser phone number and then a URL that just says what to do when you answer. So if I go back to my app and I do a get request on the call and we just wait for a minute. So this is everybody who data wins to get a call now. Okay, it timed out on the output. Well, I also didn't answer the call. So, I'll answer the call. Sorry I didn't win. So that, that's just an idea of what you can do, how restplanned works. It's really simple to use just post URL and then at the end I just had my franers so just a simple and now I'm going to need to take that URL down right away. You guys hit that URL and then it's just going to make them break down. Yeah, it's just weird. Let me get a ruby. What happens if we post this slash clear? Excuse me? What happens if we post this slash clear? It will erase the ruby numbers. It's totally not secure. What's the overlap? You just talked in the earlier talk about Luckily, I built it so that there's no way to actually view your numbers directly. They're all obfuscated, so that's where I found it. Let me take this down a little bit. Maintenance mode. You can turn them off now. You're going to go off now, it's okay. Destroy app. So the app has been destroyed.  Alright, so that's mainly what I had to show you as far as the main parts of Perogus and Otro, REST Client, and DataMapper. But I wanted to show you a couple more tools that I find really useful in building these kinds of apps. So what is called HTTP Console? How many of you have used this before? Okay, not that many, because I only discovered this not too long ago, and I think it's really awesome. So it's on GitHub, it's cloudhead-http-console. I think this guy does a lot of Node.js stuff. And basically what it lets you do is you can say, HTTP-console-console, and then a URL, hdb-con-slash-call-con-gris.erogu.com. And now I can navigate around the resources, so I can say like, I don't have any resources defined in this, but I can say slash-con-gris. And now I can see my prompt changes, and I'm operating on that particular resource. I'm operating on sub-resources, so I can do slash. It just builds on. And now I can issue a post request, or an air request, or whatever kind of HTTP get one. So obviously there's nothing there, but it's doing a request to that particular URL. And then I can actually, if I do like a post, so let's say I do a post to, let's do a quick one. It'll give me a, it'll give me a, just a prompt. And I can actually enter in my parameters that I want to put onto that URL. So it's really helpful. If you use curl for this kind of stuff, this is just like a thousand times easier to use. There's also HTT-Y, which is very similar in inspired by this. Oh, okay. That's good to know too. I did not know about HTT-Y. HTT-Y. So it's HTT-Y. HTT-Y. So it's HTT-Y. Oh, okay. I'll get some more. Google's not all correct in here. Oh, yeah. There we go. So yeah, that's one. I wanted to show you, and then the other one, for Heroku, I just destroyed my apps so I can't do the sound, but, I wanted to show you was, they have command that uses taps. And it's a Heroku DB pull, and then the name of, you know, something local at sqlitelocal.db. And what this does is it'll go out, it'll grab your post-grade, your Heroku post-grade database, and sync it to your local machine, which is really nice. And you can specify any kind of URL adapter here. So you can specify my SQL database, you can specify a post-grade database that's on your local machine, and that command line would actually handle everything, pulling it from Heroku and putting it on your local machine for demo. So that's all I had to share for presentation, but if you have questions, I'll have to answer them. Yeah, go ahead. So the question was, if my phone never rang, do I get a beer? That's probably a timeout issue in my app, so you can have one of the beers. I have a formula. Any more questions? Yeah, go ahead. Do you have a real question? No. Anybody else? Get in the back. Call Congress seems like magic. Are you a wizard? Oh, thanks. No, I'm not a wizard, although I wish I was. So the question was, the statement was, Call Congress seems like magic. Are you a wizard? No, I'm not a wizard. Why do you say it seems like magic? I just wanted to ask if you were a wizard. I just wanted to ask if you were a wizard. You got someone over here with a question. Yeah, go ahead. Could you show, the only place I saw where you were actually calling out to Tulio in the little app you were demonstrating was on the call action. Could you show like some of the other ones, like where we call in and then a playback response? Yeah, sure. So let me go to Call Congress. So the only time I needed to make a call out to Tulio was with the Rust client, was to make the outbound calls. So to initiate an outbound call, I had to hit the API actively and set, like to use my account token or my account C, to use my authentication to make sure that I had the rights to do that. So how about inbound calls? But inbound calls don't actually need an authentication unless you want to have authentication. So if your app is logging the stats or something like that, you'd use a request sign. So you'd know that the inbound request is coming from the Tulio API and you could deny all of the requests. But the way that works is let's go to, let's go here. So Call Congress, and I'll do a post request to just go there. And so what happens is in my Tulio account, I have a phone number called Call Congress. I'll zoom in on that. And you'll see it has a voice URL associated with it. And when somebody calls this number, this Tulio makes a request to that URL. So you'll see here, this is us making a request to that URL and you'll see the response. And it's just playing XML. So it will speak to you and it will redirect the Tulio API to the resourceful people. So if you want to post people, I'll get nothing back because I'm not sending the appropriate parameters, but here's people. So what it does is it expects a from zip parameter, which will go into the sunlight API and look up the appropriate people to call. So it uses the XML templates? Yeah, it uses the XML. I just use Builder. Like really it's just, you know, Builder. I can show you those templates. It's just really simple. So Welcome is just this. And then the people one is for each one, for each person that I got from the sunlight API, speak their name and the index plus one, press one, press zero, press one. And then when you press the button, another request is made to your app with the button that the person pressed. So I can, the dial, here you go. Right here it's taking the program called digits, which is what the user pressed. So I pressed one to get to John Kerry and it's just looking it up in the index of people. So it's a little bit sloppy because if any guy returns the result in a different order each time, it would break, but it doesn't. Cool. Yeah, go ahead. Do you have an irrational fear of straight interpolation? Um, no. Why don't you use it then? Excuse me? Why don't you use it then? I just wrote this a minute ago. Okay. Okay. Anybody else? What's the benefit of REST client over just the ability to be library and I don't quite get the question. So the question was, what's the benefit over REST client versus other HTTP libraries? Yeah. So REST client, I use it just because it's like super simple. There's nothing to it more than, it follows like the, just REST client.post and then you post it around your app. It's like all there is to it. I don't need anything more than that. There are also gems for doing this kind of stuff. So like eJPI, something like for example, has a gem for API. So I can just download this on my API gem and say, get me the numbers of numbers, but if there isn't a gem for the particular API that I want to use, I'll use REST client. Any others? If not, I think that's all I've got.