Okay, so I'm really I'm so touched that people came because you know people said to me you scared of reading I said I'm not scared of reading. I'm scared. No one's gonna turn up So really, thank you. Thank you for that and I'll read a little excerpt and then I Would love to have a little discussion with people if you have any questions about the process of writing about memoir about The story itself about anything. I think it would be great because one of the ideas, too Is to have an interactive relationship with readers and writers So some of you I know I've already read the book and you've sent me absolutely beautiful feedback that has been really meaningful to me So I'll just very briefly say I'm going to read There were seven children in my family and I'm the typical middle child the one with the big mouth and We from the age of seven we started moving and I didn't know why my father was in trouble And we just kept moving my parents would either say we were going on vacation or they would say nothing And then we would arrive in one place and we would be living there and there would never be any discussion so by the time this excerpt starts we We traveled from I was born in New York So we traveled from New York to Mexico then to Nassau in the Bahamas then to two different cities in Florida then we were finally back in New York where I really felt I belonged and Then a year later my parents said we were going on vacation to Scotland So this is the excerpt I'm going to read and the name of this chapter is called. Oh hi the new If any of you have been to Scotland you might know what that means On our way from the airport to air in Scotland where we were to spend our vacation The taxi driver stopped the car at the top of a hill and told us to look below Oh, isn't it Bonnie? He said and even though I didn't understand what he'd said I knew he meant for us to admire his country. I Looked down at the gray dampness and thought how ugly it was The sky was so low. It seemed indistinguishable from the stark hills of the Scottish lowlands At my feet lay rows of stone houses and rain streaked roads Bright purple sprigs of heather provided the only relief from the unremitting deer duriness That's our national flowers at the driver Are we there yet? I asked shuddering with cold the driver laughed. I read lassie. You'll maybe laying him What? He chuckled you'll know soon enough on The airplane my mother had browsed a brochure on which were illustrated yellow haired men and women dressed in blue coats Smiling against the background of Sun and Sea This is where we're going. She said it's called doogles holiday camp What's a holiday camp Vic had yawned It's a place where families stay on vacation My mother's voice was quick high cheerful like a balloon let off in the air They have a swimming pool a dance hall. Oh all kinds of things. It's organized. So you know what you're doing Why do we need people to organize us? I asked Don't start that again. She answered crossley. Is there a roller coaster s rock? Puckering her lips my mother opened her compact stop being so spoiled Doogles turned out to be the exact opposite of what the brochure had promised Built like a small town streets divided chalets and neat lines much like a prison camp Loud speakers were placed strategically throughout the area and every morning a bugle would go off followed by a gleeful Good morning camp butters our signal that sleep was now verboten Struggling out of bed in the cold damp of the small one-room cottages I stuffed my body into jeans and headed with the crowds toward the huge mess hall We stood in lines clutching tin trays with hundreds of others and were doled out rubbery scrambled eggs and little sausages Corn flakes and a cup of tea Glancing secretly at my mother before moving to the sugar bowl. I scoop large tablespoon fulls onto everything One half hour was allowed for breakfast enough time to get into a fight or watch my parents blank faces with puzzlement Then we were off to group activities Swimming calisthenics bingo or singalongs The activities were the camps attempt to make people forget their troubles at least that's what the brochure had said Spelling trouble with a capital T It reminded me of a joke my father used to tell there were two brothers trouble and shut up One day they were playing hide-and-seek and shut up couldn't find trouble anywhere He saw a policeman and asked hey, have you seen my brother?  He answered the policeman took his fist. Are you looking for trouble?  But there hadn't been any jokes for a while or having to laugh when it wasn't funny Natalie and I snuck away as often as we could to steal chocolate and smoke cigarettes getting into trouble of our own I couldn't understand what anyone said, but it didn't matter We found some cans of beer at the back of the mess hall and got so drunk We didn't care if we could understand anyone or not Then we got hold of a tube of glue and tried to get high in the bathroom Which was a row of stone stalls cold and gloomy Maybe we didn't hold the paper bag correctly But after rolling around for a few minutes pretending to be stoned We gave up and went back to roaming between the chalets The people at the camp had cheeks rubbed raw by the wind watery red rimmed eyes Sandy hair that was singularly straight and often stringy and short stubby noses Everyone spoke English however unintelligible giving the impression. We had something in common But it was an illusion and I must have seemed as foreign to them as they seemed to me To me it was as if none of us knew where to place one another The air was laced with an iciness blown in fresh from the Atlantic But everyone wore bathing suits because it was summer No doubt on June 21st the loudspeakers had blared in order for everyone to take off their clothes A beefy orange-haired man also there on vacation offered to take Natalie and me into town in a taxi He sat in the back between us and put his arm around me so his hand cut my breast I squeezed my arm tightly against my side to make him move it, but he only gripped harder When we got back to our cottage.  McKenzie. He boomed cheerfully is your father here I'll get him said Kirk officially What do you want to see him about I asked Mr. McKenzie laughed showing uneven tea stain teeth beneath his mustache He's going to be working with me. Didn't he tell you he's going to help me market scotch I sponsored him so he could work here He pulled out a pipe and stuffed it with small smell.  I'm lucky. He wanted to come all this way Lucky echoed Natalie looking out the window at the fog blowing in from the sea How long have you known him? I asked trying to keep the curiosity from my voice Mr. McKenzie smiled broadly I must have met him when some of you were just a twinkling in your mother's eye He stroked his jaw thoughtfully. It's the funniest thing I was sure his name was ring, but all these years I had the spelling wrong Why what is it asked for quick ask fig quickly? Natalie looked at him warning him to be quiet Why you look old enough to know your own last name laddie. It's rung master rung. What's your first name? But then my father came and smiling hand out stretched The slant of his tie showed he addressed quickly as always a handkerchief sat upright in the breast pocket of his jacket Hello, I see you've met my children come this way. I know a place where we can talk When they had gone Kirk pulled his eyebrows in vexation I thought he said we were here on vacation Ava inhaled sharply. We'd better be here on vacation Natalie clutched her hands a look of fear sweeping across her face Of course we are they would have told us by now if we had to stay Ava frowned you'd better be right As my parents had promised we did stay at doodles for three weeks and I counted off the days on my fingers When it was time to leave my father took us for a drive to nearby Glasgow a city 25 miles from the coast Bulbas black clouds refusing to either pour rain or go away Hung desmally in the sky as we turned into a street lined with houses After pulling into a gray pebble driveway my father said Welcome to your new home kids I felt like I'd been punched in the stomach But why do we have to move again? I asked feebly as my mother walked to the front door with a key in hand I knew it Ava burst into tears and jumped out of the car Paralyzed Natalie stared blankly at the house My father said calmly it's for your own welfare You know as well as I do how bad things have been getting in the states the schools He gestured toward Ava the vietnam war he nodded at my brothers My arms felt lifeless as I unpacked my case Numbly I sat on the floor of my new bedroom and paged through my autograph album squeezed into the bottom Unfolding the triangles of colored paper to read what my friends had left for me Thank you Thank you Thank you You know what in my nervousness. I forgot I was going to start with the book trailer. Can I show it to you now? My family traveled the world It was the 1960s the jet age We moved from new york to mexico nasa florida scotland london My father's business took us places. We'd never but our reality was anything but glaveries We left without warning without explanation My father had secrets My mother kept them and we suffered the consequences Cocktails gangsters betrayal rebellion It sounds like a movie script But this is the story of my life It was the opposite of hollywood. I'd actually like to introduce the producer is where's audrey. Audrey is an incredible video maker and photographer chat with her after Okay, so does anyone have any questions? during this period 11 and a half Oh, yeah, has anyone been to buttlin's holiday camp? Don't go It is the most depressing place If you're a foreigner, I have to say because I think for p for working class families in britain I don't even know if they exist anymore, but this was a very affordable way for working class families to have a vacation Oh, you know it elaine They still exist, okay, and they're really They're they're everything's organized So it's there's this feeling of if you want everything to be organized for you. That's great And probably anybody who's gone to summer camp as kids you'll get the idea Except you're in a place where it rains most of the time So it's and we had just moved new york It was uh, it was in august and it was 103 degrees And for kids, that's really nice. You're outside all the time playing and in new york They had those sprinklers in the playground and it was all very, you know, homey And then we went there and it was you know, the rain was Was falling sideways because it was so windy and it was probably about 40 or 50 degrees So it was it was really difficult. So Yeah, it was it was like a prison camp Oh, yeah, yeah, the question was um, how hard how hard How how much did it help to have a lot of? Already made family I think it was uh, I wouldn't be here As I am today without having a lot of people as a buffer zone Unfortunately, my parents did this thing of divide and conquer So they really pitted us against each other and they would try to get us to tell on each other You know, so that on that side of it's not good But in terms of not just being the only child of my parents it saved me Yeah Hey, Anita Let me just say the silence is deafening Although I finally I talked with Audrey about this putting it on Facebook I was so nervous because one brother and one sister They're on facebook And I was just really scared um, and I was shaking when I decided to do it You know several weeks after it was finished and one brother did right back right away and he said brilliant trailer I love it And then I said, oh, I know it was great So I wrote back. I said, oh great. Let's let's FaceTime soon He goes, okay. So, you know, we we finally got to FaceTime This was just about a week or two ago And then he and his wife had just sat down to watch a movie and they kept looking at the tv And I'm like, okay, I should not have said let's follow up on this But I was really pleased with the reaction. Yeah Thank you Did you hear the question? Yeah, okay good.  I was just in a place of reaction to what was happening And I didn't understand why my memories were so Strong so clear because I have a sister who doesn't remember anything And then I read this book called the body keeps the score that I know Karen I said which is an amazing book about PTSD And then he said the memory can work a couple of different ways when you've been traumatized One is that you forget everything you just blank it out and the other is that your memories become frozen And for people who have not been through trauma or you're not remembering things that have a traumatic Flare shall I say to them or you know where you suffer trauma? We are constantly re We were What's the we're reshaping memories, but when you've been traumatized they're they can just be frozen and I see pearl shaking Yeah, I'm nodding her head there. Yeah, so what I did in order to The reason I wrote the book is because I wanted to know what happened So I wrote down everything I could remember And then I shaped it and I left a lot of stuff out Yeah, thank you Any time My family's so afraid Yeah, they're really afraid because we grew up with such fear and secrecy That occasionally we don't really get together But occasionally the times that we have gotten together as adults Somebody might say something and somebody else will say something and kind of make a joke of it But if you try to continue that conversation, it doesn't go anywhere You know Don't use their real names Yeah Yeah, how There are several siblings in my family who are very talented artists. There are two Very very, I mean, I think they're brilliant composer music musical composers and musicians And then one sister is an incredible artist Another brother writes poetry Another sister taught herself the flute but she and she's a great photographer, but she doesn't really pursuit it So many of us in the family Are artists so the question was How did that happen Was that the question Yeah Yeah, I mean for me definitely because I wanted to find out what the truth was I think my brother I I can't really explain it. It's like a 64 000 question I think that people who are really abused can find Their solace through art I guess that's all I would say. Yeah But your parents did give you music lessons? Yeah, when we were in New York, we we had piano lessons when we were the normal middle class family Yeah, and then again when we moved to London, we had piano lessons Yeah No, my mother died in 2002 And my father we found out he Basically stopped he disappeared to all of us one by one And we found out in 2007 that he had died in 2004 He kept traveling and doing whatever he did and He was caught by Interpol And he was taken back to New York from Britain And he was supposed to go to prison for 20 years and he came back a month later And then later on a visit to New York. He had all the bones in his face broken And another time he came back with black thumbs So I don't know what he did But something happened for him to not go to prison I know he was in jail several times, but he didn't have to serve that sentence Yeah Well, I got his fbi file and most of it was blacked out But what they did keep in there were his mafia connections and another thing I saw which I never knew In Scotland the whiskey business that he was at first when we moved to london He had an office and there were lots of doors in the office And they said president vice president CEO, you know, and there was nothing they were just doors You know and then in the fbi file. I saw that the warehouse he got people to invest in scotch whiskey that didn't exist That's what he did in britain.  Yeah, I mean I thought I would feel really Uh, I knew I needed it in my hand to externalize the story And I wanted to share it with other people because When I was young I would have loved a book like that to help me But what happened after publishing it? I've actually been very spaced out And I don't quite know why but I think I got kind of almost retraumatized in a way Because you know when I was young I felt like I was floating in space all the time And trauma for being in jail as a Explain what You know, what would be really great if that was the end of the story, you know Yeah, yeah, I'm very proud of the fact that I did it. I really am proud of that Thank you Thank you But unfortunately, you know, probably everybody in this room has had really rough times And the problem is is that You know, they affect you for the rest of your life And you try to find ways to to deal with that, you know Hi Thank you I Well the story itself is the same but the way I shaped it the way I I think I became a much better writer in that time And I also decided because I first wrote it as a novel Then I changed it into a memoir and that's when it almost got published And then when I went back to it, I decided to write it as an autobiographical novel Because um, I realized now it gave me the I changed my name. My name is Tosca in it and I It gave me the distance I needed So I had I had processed a lot more of what happened to me by then Yeah Thank you Suddenly something from the past made sense to you that hadn't made sense Yeah, yeah, in fact last week something happened. I'm trying to remember what that was Yeah, well for those of you who haven't read the book forget you heard this I don't spoil it but Um, I started playing the guitar when I was a teenager and I loved that guitar more than anything and then um my sister Painted a mural on it and it meant so much to me and then uh, we left Glasgow this is in Glasgow for london and my two sisters stayed behind because they were old enough to leave and then um Shortly after that we were literally we actually were on vacation. We went to the to jersey, which is the jersey islands and I woke up the morning every morning I'd go to you know, I'd play it It was really my friend and then I'd wake up in the morning and I'd see it the first thing And then when I went to bed tonight last thing I looked at and then the last morning we were there in the hotel I woke up and the guitar was gone and um I You know ran to where my parents were sleeping and it's like, you know that my guitar's been stolen to and my father's You know, you know, they were very annoyed and then I said you have to tell the police Tell the police So my father sort of made this pretence that he was telling the police And then two years later it was never found And two years later my brother told me my father had seen him that morning and said mark was going to get a big shock when she wakes up So I was actually thinking that this week or last week. It's like what What what kind of person can do that to somebody? Because you know as if you've been through trauma, there are so many layers of it And it took me so long and writing this book had a lot to do with me being able to see what happened to me and process it But there are so many layers You know, so i'm probably going to you know be realizing things. I mean, I think we all kind of go through that You know Well, I took my partner back to scotland and we both got really depressed Um I Didn't when I moved here in 1986 from london And then I went back a year and a half later and then I didn't go back for 11 years Because it was just too painful to kind of try to make a new life And have that old life Then I started going back every couple of years or so But the last time I went I don't know. I just felt that I didn't really It's really difficult. Actually, I want to mention karen apana. Who's an incredible incredible person artist and body worker and healer And when we were talking about this Karen said, you know when you're when you live in a place you're part of a web of relationships when you leave That web Is configured differently and when you come back you're not part of that web anymore And it was really painful for me to see that so I haven't been for about three years now And the other places i've been to mexico several times and that was really meaningful I actually didn't believe I had lived in mexico until I went back to cornavaca And I saw the school where I went And then I know wow, this is because my parents never talked about it, you know I've never been back to florida. I want I would like to go New york. Yeah, I've been back several times And then yeah Yeah, I woke up every night at three scaredy was going to kill me You know Yeah, thank god he's dead You know, I once heard of the the man who directed I think his name was jim marison He directed the magdalen sisters And he was um interviewed by terry gross on fresh air And he said the day his mother or his father died was the best day of his life And I thought wow, that's not that kind of person But terry gross could not go near it You know, but unfortunately, you know, not all of us have good parents Did you have any activity about why People why they have seven kids if they were going to have their kids and they drag you all around like they just said you Relatives Well, did you hear the question? Why did they have so many kids? Um, first of all, we weren't allowed to know our relatives Okay, um, the other thing is that irresponsible people have children, right? And I think it might have been a cover to make them look like normal people Also, my mother said my father liked her most when she was pregnant They didn't obviously didn't like birth control That's the only answers I can come up with Because it's kind of a mystery to me because people like us we wouldn't do that Unless we could take care of them, right So is there any love in the family between the parents or Um, there was a lot of love I think between the siblings We weren't always good at expressing it, but I think it was there I don't think that my parents loved us I don't know if they loved each other They were very loyal to each other, but my father was a criminal and my mother was his accomplice So there might have been some other dynamic going there When I told my mother I was a lesbian, she said if I was your age I would be doing the same thing sex with men is an act of violence And I thought oh well I guess this is one time I don't want to ask any questions Yeah, um, well as they lied about everything I found out after they died my mother was um 23 And my father was 26 Yeah New york new york city their parents were I didn't know this either until they died but The myth was that we were french and russian on my father's side Wasps like I got like Protestant french whatever russian whatever and then on my mom Oh, no one time my father said he thought his mother was catholic The other side my mother said her father was um an english parson And her mother was an italian opera singer And it turned out that my mother's parents were hungarian jews Who were not allowed into this country? In the beginning they had to go to argentina for two years then try again through ellis island And they came here three years before she was born So very recent immigrants and my father's parents were russian immigrants and one of his brothers was actually born in russia Yeah Yeah, that's a really good question. Honestly on a bad day in a bad situation with one of my siblings I think you're just like my father. You're just like my mother, so Um, I think that my partner actually got my mother out of me Because you know when your kids you sort of mimic your parents behavior And I was I did have this habit of being very cold sometimes You know, so I think that when you're around good people they you get socialized out of that kind of behavior But I tried really really hard to find my mother's sisters. My mother was an orphan I found out And she and her sisters were suddenly taken away from school. It's a whole other story and it's actually in My anthology how I learned to cook. I wrote a story about my mother but um Uh Sorry, I'm just trying to get my train of thought here Oh, yeah So I tried really hard to find my mother's family and I couldn't find them because she gave a fake maiden name So out of the blue in 2009 I think it was No, it was 2011 out of the blue the phone. I got an email Are you margot parent the daughter of lily and parent? So I she goes if you are call me. I called her right away. It was my mother's sister And I thought wow, you know, wow, I finally found you know, she found me and she was living in Las Vegas. She was a big gambler But I went to visit her like within two weeks I was there to visit her and she looked actually a lot like me Which was interesting and she she had sort of the same body type as my mother And she was very nice. She and her husband were so nice to me But by my third visit she said don't come anymore So she was a bit like my mother and I met her kids and when they visited her when I was there She was very cold to them. I think they just had such a horrible childhood. They never got over it my father's family When my sister moved back to new york in 1981 She wrote a letter to the new york times about some article that they published and they published her letter and My aunt so my father's sister-in-law saw the letter with her name and contacted her through the paper And that's how we met my father's side of the family Yeah, and they were not like my father They were not One of my uncles said that your father wanted to be your father could have been rich in 10 years He wanted to be rich in one Yeah, what time is it now? Okay any other Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, my father was a he was in the navy when he was young and he um joined the communist party and he was a very very avid communist very idealistic and um in 1950 When my oldest sister was three months old He and my mother sold everything and tried to move to russia And they tried to get in through Finland and they weren't they weren't allowed in they were accused of being american spies because it was right in the middle of the cold war So they tried again from Czechoslovakia and they were refused again Then they were kept in a hotel for a month under house arrest And then they were deported to england and then from england my father's brother Sent money for them to get back to new york And then I think he was just so disillusioned you know That was it that was it is I mean it was really interesting because I sort of grew up with left-wing politics But at the same time my father was this very capitalistic Do anything for money type of person. It was pretty confusing You have you heard opm other people's money So it was up or down up or down up or down. Yeah Yeah No, no No, we would just leave town I mean seriously because my father didn't want anyone any of the authorities to know About where his it was where about my brother was hit by a car when we lived in florida And my father didn't have enough money to pay for his treatment But somebody helped him out Yeah I'm actually working on a book that's um, it's part narrative poetry and part prose and what I do is I weave my Childhood story not the story but the sort of the themes of the story with how the experience Played out through my body. I've had a lot of physical illness And also interweaving it with my experiences teaching people who incarcerated because there was a lot of crossover Yeah How many years were you nomadic? Uh started when I was four And ended when I left home when I was 16 Oh, oh, how long were we nomadic? Yeah Yeah First thank you for the inspiration amazing and secondly, um I think the comment was a question but that when you It seems that you've made a very personal story But the way you crafted it it's so universal and when when your mom says don't start that again Like who hasn't heard that you know Are we there yet? You know, I was like you really You really I can't wait to read it and it feels like you really connected Your yourself and your soul Thank you I mean I feel like as a writer what I've learned and also as a writing teacher what I try to teach is The the the deeper you write the more universal your story Like for example, I mean, I think you heard me say this another time But if you just write a story about from the point of view of a victim You know all these horrible things happen to me and I'm really suffering you're not really telling the whole story You're not going deep enough because there's always the other side So you want to write deeply and broadly and then you'll get to those universals You know and I noticed when I published a book of of By of writing by people who are incarcerated and when they got out of jail We used to do readings all over the city and Joan actually lovely Joan hosted one of them at the caret auditorium right over there and It was really amazing because people would come from very different social socioeconomic class Class and they would say to the writers afterwards. I had no idea. I had anything in common with you Because the way they were writing was deep enough Telling the story Okay, thank you


Hello and welcome to Daily Debrief brought to you by People's Dispatch. Today we take a look at a massive strike by education workers currently under way in Los Angeles. In Sydney, a peaceful demonstration by LGBT activists was attacked by a mob outside a church where they were protesting a speech by right-wing leader Mark Latham. And finally, an investigation by the Guardian and non-profit Watchdog Air Wars has revealed civilian casualties linked to British airstrikes in Iraq, despite government consistently claiming to not have harmed any civilian life. 65,000 workers from Service Employees International Union Local 99 and United Teachers Los Angeles that's UTLA began a three-day strike on Tuesday, March 21. SEIU Local 99 workers are striking amidst contract negotiations around higher salaries, more full-time work schedules, better treatment and more staffing. They represent a broad cross-section of school staff such as bus drivers, custodians, campus aides and cafeteria workers. The union claims that apart from refusing to budge on key workers' demands such as a 30% raise and more full-time hours, the Los Angeles Unified School District is also harassing and threatening workers for participating in union activity. We joined by Natalia from People's Dispatch who has been closely following this story. Thank you for joining us Natalia. So first off, what are the major demands of the strike and those who are protesting? Yeah, well, I would say the two central demands are more full-time hours. Most of the SEIU organized education workers are working part-time and higher salaries. So the average salary is $25,000 a year which is insanely low. It's far below the mean wage in the U.S. But also, especially for Los Angeles, Los Angeles is one of the most expensive cities in the country. A one-bedroom apartment on average costs over $2,000 a month to rent. Food is extremely expensive, cost of living has gone up. So it's $25,000 a year are poverty wages. That's barely enough to make ends meet. And these workers, they work extremely hard and they make the schools run. So these are like cafeteria workers, dining hall, bus drivers, teacher's aides. These are workers that without them, custodial staff, people who clean the schools, without those staff members, the schools wouldn't run at all. These are the type of jobs that keep the school functioning. And so these workers are demanding fair wages and better working hours, working hours that can actually meet the demands of the cost of living in Los Angeles right now because they're so essential to the school. All right, Natalia, can you also tell us a little about what are the working conditions like for education workers? I mean, teachers and other forms of education workers, what are these working conditions look like?  But also teachers are striking in solidarity with the education workers. Even though they are not, you know, they didn't authorize a strike, they're doing it so in solidarity because they don't want to cross the picket line in front of the schools. And they want to help boost the demands of the education workers. But teachers are also in their own contract negotiations right now. And what they're demanding of the Los Angeles School District is a 20% raise because they also have very low pay for Los Angeles. I think it was about one in four in the city of Los Angeles. One in four teachers that works a second job just to make ends meet. And obviously, you know, teaching hours are very, they're very lengthy. Teachers are in schools from 8am to 3pm, 4pm. So you can imagine what working a second job in those conditions would be like. And you know, this is an uncommon in the United States in general, you know, teachers are leaving the teaching profession and mass, especially public school teaching, because of working conditions. But teachers are actually very highly unionized in the United States, which gives them a few more, a bit more bargaining power or a lot more bargaining power in terms of demanding fair wages, better hours, demanding schools to be closed during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. But increasingly, you know, as the public school system is defunded, more and more teachers are, you know, are not unionized because teachers at private schools and charter schools tend to not be unionized. So those teachers have even less rights in terms of demanding, you know, their worker rights as a collective bargaining power. But in Los Angeles, Los Angeles public schools, like many public school systems in the country are unionized. So they're able to do things like a solidarity strike, which is really historic in the city of Los Angeles, and also just demand, you know, fair conditions, better working conditions. Right. Thank you so much for joining us on this very important story. We'll keep following it up with you and with people's dispatch. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. On March 22, a demonstration by LGBT activists was attacked by a mob outside the church in Sydney. Activists from the LGBTQI plus group community action for rainbow rights were protesting outside Saint Michael's Church against an anti trans speech by right wing leader of one nation NSW party, Mark Latham, when they were attacked by a large mob. Anish from People's Dispatch joins us now with more details on this story. Thanks for joining us, Anish. So can you take us through the sequence of events that took place this week? Yeah, so Tuesday there was supposed to be this speech by a particularly right wing politician called Mark Latham in Australia in Sydney. He's part of the one nation party. Anybody who has followed Australian politics knows the one nation party and its leader Pauline Hansen for their very ridiculously right wing statements and posturing over the past several years now, more than a decade now nearly. And in this event, you had LGBTQI activists holding a massive protest. A very peaceful one, a demonstration showing their very clear opposition to people like him being given platform in public spaces. And this was being done at a Catholic Church run establishment, in fact. And so this definitely is part of like this growing culture we are already seeing of transphobia and homophobia as well. But like transphobia very specifically. Very shortly as the demonstrators came through, we saw counter protesters, right wing counter protesters who turned into a violent mob and attacked these activists. We already have arrests happening right now. But like the violence was something that was, you know, well, most people probably did not expect it to happen at the time. And this was, this definitely shows how, you know, the right wing is not really very, you know, shy in showing its muscle power in Australia at this point in time. We are already seeing a very clear case of, you know, maybe some level of organization behind this violence as well, because with recent revelations showed that there were videos being circulated, which had, you know, people asking other people to join in large numbers to attack these LGBT protesters. And that shows that there was some level of organizing that has happened. Obviously, we need to wait and see where the investigation goes to. But definitely something like this happened at such a massive scale. And this is what is alarming to everybody at this point. Right, Anish. And an incident also recently occurred in Melbourne, according to reports. You referred to how transphobia is increasingly being reported from across the world from different countries. What does this indicate?  The United States, some of the United States are actually leading laws right now. They're even, they have already created laws that not only ban drag races for some, you know, unknown reason, but they're also adding laws that will hamper, you know, gender affirming therapy for teenagers and not just prevent them from actually getting gender affirming therapy, but also it will be preventing adults from accessing it. And also in some cases, there are instances where laws are being made to reverse such therapy, HRP especially. And that is even more dangerous than what some of these, you know, gender essentialist arguments are making about how, you know, changing, you know, receiving gender affirming therapy is bad for your body and whatever. This is actually going to put them in greater risk. So there is a very clear attempt and a wave of transphobia that is actually pushing, you know, lawmakers and, you know, it is obviously being led by the right wing, but you already also have certain sections within the civil society, which is using, you know, the mask of women's rights as an excuse to attack transgender people and the community as a whole and also their access to different spaces. So all of these factors are definitely, this is a very, you know, transnational sort of phenomena. We obviously, obviously, whatever happens in the United States, there is some level of reflection of that happening in Australia and, you know, very similar Anglo-Saxon countries as well. And this is very similar to how it is happening. We're seeing very similar kind of dog whistles, very similar kind of narratives being painted by the right wing to attack queer spaces and the transgender people are receiving at least at the front lines of these attacks. And that is, this is a very disturbing trend, obviously. We have, fortunately in Australia, a government that is not really keen on, you know, cracking down on transgenders or, you know, creating laws that will hamper their rights. But obviously, the fact that such a group is growing and becoming violent by the day is what is concerning everybody. Thank you so much for joining us, Anish, for this story. A joint investigation by the UK-based The Guardian and non-profit Watchdog Air Wars claims that multiple airstrikes carried out by the UK's Royal Air Force in the Iraqi city in 2016 to 2017 were responsible for killing dozens of civilians. The findings of the investigation published on March 22 directly contradict claims by the UK government and its armed forces that the airstrikes they conducted in Iraq targeting terrorist groups such as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria were precision strikes and did not harm or kill a single non-combatant. Abdul from People's Dispatch joins us now with latest updates on this issue. Welcome to the show, Abdul. Can you first off tell us what are the findings of this investigation by Guardian and Air Wars? The finding clearly states that the UK governments claim that their air forces were not responsible for killing any civilian during the almost a decade long operation against the ISIS in Iraq and Syria is false. They claim that their investigation at least in some specific cities, so for example Mosul, they claim that six airstrikes they investigated and the impact of it based on the reports and the ground field work meeting with the families of the victims and other finding the archives of the air force, the coalition air forces establishes that dozens of people if not 26 as claimed by the US coalition were killed and in Mosul itself and it was the British air force which was involved in those airstrikes. So the investigation establishes that the claims made by the UK government so far has been all those claims have been false and it says that it doesn't it is there is no rational ground for such claims. For example, the claim says that more than 3000 quote-unquote terrorists were killed in Iraq in the airstrikes carried out by the British air force and over 1000 such terrorists were killed in Syria and in all those operations in which more than 4000 ammunition were dropped only one civilian was killed in Syria. So it is clear that there is a deliberate attempt to hide the figures of the civilian skilled in operations and also that there is an attempt to portray the operation in Iraq and Syria as a success a perfect operation. Right and there's also like the consistency with which the UK government has been denying that there have been no civilian casualties despite the coalition accepting at several times that there were civilian casualties. Why is the UK government denying? Well, there is a very strong anti-war sentiment in UK. It has been there ever since at least in the recent time since 2003 when the UK forces became part of the US-led coalition in the invasion of Iraq. There was a huge public mobilization on the streets of London and different parts of the country and the governments know that a large section of the UK population do not accept their claims of kind of intervention in the name of democracy and so on and so forth in Iraq in Syria in Afghanistan and other in Libya. So this is one major reason that they want to avoid because the moment you published we admit that hundreds of civilians were killed in their so-called operation to establish democracy in these countries or fighting for civilization and so on and so forth that protest that opposition to the war will further gain ground. Of course, that is one major reason but apart from that there are also material consideration. For example, the UK forces denied the number of actual number of civilians killed by its forces in Afghanistan and the investigation by different organizations came out and said that those figures are of course conservative. There is a deliberate manipulation and so on and so forth. Then it came out in the public that the primary reason for that of course was the amount of compensation paid. Millions of dollars need to be paid as compensation to those who were killed by the British or any forces. So that is also a part of it. Apart from that the reason quoted more often than not is that these countries want to preserve quote-unquote the morale of their armed forces and to kind of minimize any kind of effect on the larger questioning on their the legitimacy of such interventions in Iraq or in different parts of the world. One should understand that such operations whatever operations have been undertaken by the UK forces or the US forces or any of the NATO forces in Iraq in Afghanistan in Syria in other parts of the world have been all of them are illegal interventions not sanctioned by any international law not sanctioned by the UN and therefore there is a high level of sensitivity involved when you have to admit that these operations these airstrikes these military interventions which were carried out to save quote-unquote democracy and people ultimately results in destruction of those country killing of innocent civilians and basically destroying the the larger fabric social fabric so of course one can understand why these there has been consistent denial to accept such civilian casualties. Right thank you so much for joining us Abdul and that's all we have for today for more such stories keep following people's dispatch dot org you can also follow us on twitter facebook and instagram


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I am a third year engineering student from Delhi and I have been developing Android apps for around three years now and I will be talking about the event here at ND app and these are some of my social links you want to connect with me next time please. So before I talk about the event here at ND app a brief introduction about the open event project like I know most of you must be aware about it but basically it's a platform for event organizers to organize and manage events online and the attendees can use it to register themselves for free events or buy tickets to the events that they are interested in. Like most of you must have bought tickets from the event here like frontend and it has like various components like there are app generators, frontend, mobile apps, organizer app, attendee app so like today specifically I would be talking about the attendee app next slide please. So the attendee app is basically a native Android app which is used by the its users to view and browse through events that they are interested in and it's an open source app and I will be like giving a walkthrough of the app next slide. So it's a very simple app you can like search through events according to location and date and all these those search results are provided by the event here server and next slide please. All the like events that have tickets you can see the list of tickets there and they are both free and paid tickets available and if you are interested in buying multiple tickets you can like just enter the number of tickets that you are interested in buying it and next slide please. If there is a like you select like five tickets you have to like enter all the details of the attendees and in case it's a free ticket you will like directly get a mail in your like email that these are the tickets that you bought but in case it's a paid ticket next slide please. Like you will be asked to enter your payment details and like currently we have integrated Stripe and PayPal in the app but there are plans of integrating other payment gateways as well because generally users have a preference for a particular type of payment gateway in a country like in my country people usually use Paytm for transactions online so it's like in the roadmap of the app you integrate other payment gateways as well next slide please. So this is the order completed screen like if everything like the payment was successful you will see this screen next slide please. And after that you have like successfully registered for an event and your payment was successful like all your tickets will be visible in a screen and next slide please. Like if you open the ticket the important thing is that all your details that you entered during the like registration phase will be visible here and a special QR code is there you can use this QR code to like check in into the event that you are interested in it and like the organizer might have a like organizer app that can be used to scan this QR code and you will like check in into the event and next slide please. So the project is available as a GitHub repository here you can like check it out and other than that the project has also been released as a beta release in Play Store and it's also available in the asteroid like for those of you who don't know asteroid is like open source version of Play Store only apps that are like completely open source and don't use any propriety libraries can be uploaded there so you can check this they take the project out it's like all these links are available they read me of the project next slide. Thank you Nikit you're up.


Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering HPE Discover 2017, brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Hey, welcome back everyone. We're here live in Las Vegas for HPE Discover 2017. This is SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE, our flagship program. We go out to the events and talk to all the individuals, thought leaders, executives, and customers of HPE Discover. I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. Our next guest is Peter Schradie, Senior Vice President, General Manager, for Lions servers and the small, medium-sized, business enterprise segments, and Michael Proper, founder and CEO of ClearCenter. Welcome to theCUBE. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having us. So you guys have a deal. Let's get into it real quick. Set the table here for us. ClearCenter, your company and CEO of, what do you guys do? You guys have a relationship, but just take a minute to talk about your company, specifically what does it do, and some of the things you do with HPE. ClearCenter builds an operating system called ClearOS, as well as a virtualization management platform called ClearVM. And we specifically build it for service providers. And the deal with the ProLiance is what? Yeah, so our deal is we have an exclusive relationship to preload ClearOS on certain SMB-focused racks and tower servers. We also have the ability to push that out to our entire ProLiance server line via intelligent provisioning as well. We're super excited about this because it provides significant value to our SMB customers that are looking for an operating system, and more than that, gateway networking capability and a suite of applications outside of the typical Microsoft operating system, which at this point is pretty burdensome for these guys. Yeah, I mean, small means-sized business. I mean, we ask them how long we've been doing theCUBE and we've been eight years and, you know, we're growing, but we're still considered a small means-sized. We don't have a data center. We don't have a telephone closet. We don't have Outlook. We use all SaaS products. We don't have an IT department. So this is kind of where DevOps kind of demand for small, medium-sized enterprises. It's interesting because there's no DevOps guy. There's no cloud-native person. So you have to build in all these integrated tools. What is, and that's growing, by the way. We were seeing in the Wikibon report shows that's happening. How is that demand changing for the small, medium-sized business? Because more and more SaaS-ification's happening. More and more apps are coming in. How are you guys making it easier for them to buy product and start building their own on-premise solution? And that's exactly what ClearOS and Clear Center's mission really is. I'll let Michael talk about that. So specifically, there's always going to be something on-premise. But the goal is to help Hewlett Packard Enterprise be that device on-premise with an intelligent operating system that actually connects to these SaaS-based apps and services off-premise. So there's always going to be an element of how do you connect that internet up? How do you connect the users to the network? How do they log on? How do the wireless access points get out? How do you print? All of that has to be on-premise, but there's elements of security threats that are growing continually. And to have a simple user interface that can actually be done without an IT individual is the future. But today, you still have to have complexity. And our real primary goal is to make it very secure, very simple, and very affordable, which in all reality, all those three things haven't been checked in the IT industry. You can check two of them, security and affordable, but it's usually not usable or vice versa. It's just in that clip, yesterday in the keynote, Megwin was talking about the cloud clip, which is very real dynamic. At some point, you're like, wait a minute, I'm paying all this for cloud, so there's certainly a shift for the on-premise for security reasons. But now you've got ransomware challenges. You have all kinds of issues that are springing up. You're hitting them perfect point. From a ransom, ClearOS also has a marketplace with hundreds of apps, kind of like how our cell phone works, right? It's got an open source operating system, then a marketplace with all these different apps. You want to turn it into a flashlight, you can. You want to turn it into a recorder, you can. But the reality is in the network layer, how do you address ransomware? Well, we've got a gateway management app that basically takes the billions of websites that everybody just freely as mankind allows access to and narrows it down to a very small list and then uses machine learning based upon where people want to go to access only the good sites. That is a simple app, 40 bucks a month, an organization such as yourself, I'm sure would pay something like that. So you guys essentially white list based upon smart machine learning, and then you give the same experience for the small, I mean, like consumer experience. So one of the problems we've seen is they lock into an IT architecture and it's like, wow, I got a no flexibility. Flexibility is number one. You've got to let people say, I want this to be just a server or I just want to do that gateway management or all of it or none of it. So when did you start the company? So I've been in the IT sector my whole life, but started a company that was called Direct Point and the managed service provider sector back in 2000. And we identified these same problems that technology wasn't simple, it wasn't secure and it wasn't really affordable when you look at all the elements. So started this business after, that business actually went into the consumer world and it's got about 650 employees and customers all over the US. We grew, anyways, came out of the service provider sector and found that there's this gap with technology. Started Clear Center in 2009 and we've just been working to build all the backend infrastructure. Currently have over 400,000 deployments globally in over 150 countries and over 80 languages. And then when did you start the relationship with HPE? How did that work? We literally just announced it this week. Okay. Two days ago. Yeah. We're old buddies. It's been years and you're making. Yeah. So how did you guys find each other? Well, interestingly enough, I got a note from Meg saying, hey listen, I just met this guy, Michael Proper at a fundraising event and he's got something you need to look at. And so, of course I did my duty and found out that most of these are just kind of chasing your tail a little bit. But Michael definitely had something here with ClearOS and ClearBM and so. Well, it's a huge opportunity. Good ROI on the fundraiser there. Yeah. How much do you actually donate it, but. Right, but I mean, it's a huge opportunity. I mean, when you started the company, were you somewhat fearful that, oh well, maybe Microsoft's going to come in and solve this problem or did you know better? We actually see a really good fit with Microsoft. I mean, we've got an active directory connector. We don't see Microsoft going anywhere. As a matter of fact, I think that you're going to see a brilliance in the company that pops out some innovation and we plan on leveraging that in a different way. Everything about ProLion is all about on-premise. How do you create that stickiness? But ClearOS is a web-based application. We really extract all of the complexities from, it's kind of like what happened with Windows and DOS or with Mosaic and the browser or with the cell phones. We've done the same thing, but with. You're an ecosystem partner for Microsoft and the other global partner of the year for you guys at HPE is no secret there. But I mean, this is the old Microsoft ecosystem back in the early days when they had their business partners. So now. Put it this way. Some of the folks that have spent 20 years building small business server and solving the problems that we focus on love what we're doing in many ways. So you'll see it come out and, again, it doesn't just have to be installed on-premise. It can be installed off-premise. We've extracted it to a web-based interface. And then as John was pointing out, I mean, most small businesses that start today, they go all cloud, but as they grow, they got all these clouds to manage and then they start to get a little bit of infrastructure on-premise. So what are you doing there in terms of, you know, extending outside the walls of the company? So the reality is, let's say you add a new user. Let's say you guys hire a new individual and Samantha over there can actually go in, create that user's name. Say this user's in accounting. This user's going to work from home. You guys use Google Apps, Office 365. So this user's going to get Google Apps and they're going to get this phone number and this cellular provider. Add. Now it does everything on-premise to let that user log onto the network, see the drive, see the printers work from home, but it also goes into Google Apps, creates the account, synchronizes their password. If she wants to change her password here, boom, it just did it on the network as well. That's hybrid ID. The same in the way out. You got it. I mean, this is an HR workflow. You got it as well. I think it fits perfectly into the hybrid strategy that we have, right? So as you got bigger, as you get bigger, hopefully you're going to have demand or need for more data analytics, whatever that might be. That's going to probably be a different delivery method, right, with a high performance computer, Apollo platform, whatever it might be. But this will continue to scale for certain applications and certain use cases. So it's the perfect hybrid. It allows companies to have the processes that they need to grow their business. That IT would have to spend a lot of cash on IT in the past. That's right. It fits so well in our hybrid strategy, just at the SMB space. And we don't talk a lot about that. You don't hear Meg talking about that because our customer base is so predominantly large enterprise. Well, plus there's an IoT play here. In the future, like John says, well, we're a small company, everything's in the cloud. But the reality is, we have Intel-based products that are in our studio and their systems and these cameras are all instrumented. That's exactly right. It's not just IoT, but you're right. Think about, remember that app that you take everything down. You block all of the things online. What about that camera when that thing gets web-based? So we want to see how it's working, how it's functioning, but you don't want the rest of the world to see it. You want to add just a group of devices that can only see two sites. Then users that can see 8,000 sites. Then maybe other systems, TVs that can actually see, I mean, it's intelligence for not just x86-based pro-aliant servers or wireless access points, but also cellular devices all into one management system, but we've got to be able to focus on the x86-based today because that's here. But tomorrow, you got 5G, you got additional capabilities and IoT is just going to continue to grow. So Mike, I want to ask you, normally this is kind of the country we see with large enterprises, you know, run the business, grow the business, transform the business, usually for large enterprises. But with your kind of platform, you're giving kind of small, I mean, sort of enterprises, essentially a full-blown IT kind of capability. Absolutely. We still have the opportunity now with Cloud and Cloud Native and SaaS products to actually do some really cool, nimble, agile things to grow their business and potentially transform industries. What's your advice to your customers and what do you see as a path for a small, medium-sized business and enterprise? To leverage the Cloud, to leverage some of the apps, go beyond the sales force and some of the basic kind of low-hanging fruit. The right thing is to include the partner in this discussion. And it's really, the recommendation to the partner is, use the flexibility of these apps to then listen to your customers' needs and then plug in things that they want. Maybe they want, you know, Susie to be productive and only be on Facebook after 5 p.m. Hold down the content filter, pay a hundred bucks a year and charge the company 4,000 to manage that, right? So there's an ecosystem where the partners can actually make money, make recommendations, listen to their clients. We're really focused on that service provider because that's the DNA that we come from and we also see a massive shift. The managed service provider sector provided hardware, software and services for predictable monthly fee on-premise. The new Cloud service provider, so the organization that set up Google Apps for your organization, they do it off-premise. The reality is we see the combination, talk about what Peter's referring to, the hybrid, we see it coming together, doing the same thing but in different ways, but the systems have to talk together. Does that make sense? So we see this. So you got to make more intelligent servers that can blend in with this new world of, what are the cool things you guys are doing with the ProLiance? It's not just servers, really. It's the software-defined infrastructure that the servers are running on. When we've talked about a few things, first of all, we've got our server management, software-defined server management layer called ILO and we continue to extend ILO and make that more usable and more user-friendly and then it extends into OneView, which it really is our infrastructure management system, which we're now automating a lot of the deployment provisioning and management of server storage and networking. But what's really exciting is what's next and that's called our new stack, which is coming. Next Discover, you're going to hear a lot about it. It's in the secret room over there. We try to break in, but I have to press it. Stay out. But literally that is bringing all of the hybrid controls to one management system, including brokerage of both on and off-prem, so that you're theoretically completely efficient. I think this is the trend. Michael's pointing to essentially the direction, which is roll your own stack. People want to roll their own IT and... And I think the hybrid gives you the ability to do a little bit of both and I think that's ultimately where it's going to land. Guys, great conversation. Again, this proof that with cloud and hybrid cloud, the SMB can actually have some great capabilities with DevOps and all the cool AI and machine learning that's out there. Great story, Clear Center, great job. Congratulations on the great firm and your deal with HPE. Yeah, we're super excited about it. Great job. More live coverage here in Las Vegas for HPE Discover. Stay with us. We'll be right back after this short break.


Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering AWS re-invent 2017, presented by AWS, Intel, and our ecosystem of partners. Hey, welcome back everyone. We're here live in Las Vegas for 45,000 tech industry folks and customers with Amazon re-invent 2017. This is theCUBE's exclusive coverage, I'm John Furrier with my co-host, Justin Warren. This is our next guest, Bill Magro, who's the chief technologist for Intel, covering HPC High Performance Computing. Bill, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks for coming on. Oh, thank you very much. You guys, your booth's behind us. I don't know if they can see it on the wide shot, but Intel is really taking advantage of the, I don't know, say Intel inside the cloud, because that's really what you guys are doing. But you got so much compute. This is your wheelhouse. Compute is what Intel is. Right. Andy Jassy and AWS, talking with their customers, they want more compute, edge of the network. So HPC High Performance Computing has been around for a while. What's the state of the art and how should people think about HPC versus the cloud? Are they the same? What's the relationship? Well, Intel actually thinks of HPC or High Performance Computing more in terms of the activity and the workloads than the infrastructure that it runs on. So very early in the days of cloud computing, there were a lot of people who said that the cloud was kind of the opposite of HPC, and therefore they could never go together. But we think of cloud as a delivery vehicle, a way to get access to compute, storage, networking, and HPC is what you're doing. And so then if you think about HPC as kind of a range of workloads, you can start to think about which ones are a good fit for the cloud and which ones aren't. So we talk a little bit about the High Performance Computing and tailored infrastructure for the most extreme cases of HPC. That's where you see the biggest differences with cloud because they're at opposite ends of the spectrum. But you see holistically the cloud is interplaying with HPC. They're not mutually exclusive. Absolutely. We see cloud as a way to deliver HPC capabilities. So if you think of the most demanding HPC problems, the ones that are used in national security, they're used to design commercial airplanes and so on. Those are some of the hardest problems, predicting the climate change, predicting the weather, paths of hurricanes. Those are what we call grand challenge problems. Those are not running in the cloud. Those are running on dedicated, tailored infrastructure built for high performance computing at that extreme. And those systems have a lot of characteristics such as very high performance networks, different from Ethernet, custom topologies, and are designed with software to really minimize variation because it's one large problem that has to move forward. The cloud is kind of the opposite in a sense. It started as taking a large amount of resources and making it possible to carve them up, right? It's the opposite of aggregating resources. And so that's where a lot of the early thoughts of cloud and HPC being kind of at odds with each other. It seems to be a dream scenario because in the old days, in the 80s and 90s, when I was breaking into the business, if you were a database guy or a compute guy, you were a specialist who was high-end kind of computing more as well, certainly Intel, you guys took advantage of it. But now you see so much, it's cool to do more compute. So like, it's been democratized. So databases and compute certainly in all the conversations for everybody, not just the tech technologists. Well, that's where cloud fits in for HPC. So if you think of HPC in terms of the characteristics of the workload, it's something that's really demanding computationally. The product of the computation is like an intellectual insight. You can design a better airplane wing, a safer car. You can figure out where that hurricane is going and tell which people to evacuate. There's an intellectual product to the compute. And then the last characteristic is when you apply more compute power appropriately, you get a more valuable result. So it could be better prediction of that hurricane path. It could be a safer car because you had more time, you had more capability and were able to build a better design ahead of that deadline to get that model year of the car out, right? And so if you think about that, there's a broad spectrum. And I talked about some of those most extreme problems, but even in something like designing an airplane, there might be 16, 20, 100 different small design variations you want to explore. Well, those can actually be great for the cloud because they're small calculations and you run many of them at the same time and the elastic capability of the cloud augments the supercomputer that you might be using to run your hardest problems. So the aperture of problem solving is huge now. That's right, that's right. You can do more. I mean, we had Thorn on yesterday. Thorn was a company that partnered with Intel to do, you know, find missing and exploited children, AI for good. So everything's possible. Yeah, even AI we think of as an example of a high-performance computing workload because what does it do? It gives you insights that you didn't have otherwise. It's compute intensive and it does better when you apply more resources. So that fits our definition. So AI is definitely under the umbrella of high-performance computing. One of the things, one of the great benefits of cloud is the elasticity which you mentioned before. And some of the, we know that Amazon has just rolled out the C5 instance, which is a specific instance type which would be quite useful for HPC. But what is it about the bursting workloads or that elasticity that specifically works well for HPC, do you think? Well, there's a couple use cases that we think are particularly relevant. One of them is an existing company. Just imagine some Fortune 50 manufacturer. They have a lot of stuff that they really need to build their own supercomputer for, their own high-performance computing system. But they're usage, even though they keep that system busy all the time, there is some variability. And they have this opportunity cost of an engineer sitting while their job is in a queue. Because you're paying that engineer but you're not giving them insights, right? And so the cloud can augment that. And we have a lot of examples of large Fortune 500, Fortune 50 companies augmenting their on-premise with cloud as a way to push those workloads that can run on the cloud there to free up those on-prem resources which are much more tailored, much more expensive and get more value out of them. Okay, and what's Intel doing to help customers figure out which of those workloads is best suited for cloud and which ones are better suited for something which is running on site? Well, it's mostly through our influencer sales force who engages with many, many major companies and provides consulting because Intel doesn't sell computers directly to anyone. So it's more of a knowledge, our knowledge in ensuring that with people. And what we're trying to help enterprises understand is what workloads need to stay on-premise, which ones can go to the cloud and how the elasticity of the cloud can augment those on-premise resources and thus, you know, back and forth. It's a classic mission for Intel. Make the apps go faster, that's just more of a cheaper, right? And get them land in the right place. So really the two biggest considerations we find in deciding whether a workload goes into the cloud or stays on-premise in high-performance computing are the following. One is really the sensitivity of the IP. There's a lot of workloads that could run in the cloud and people simply want to keep it on-premise because they're more comfortable knowing that their IP is sitting inside their own firewall. Though the reality is more and more companies are getting comfortable with cloud security as they see data breaches and realize that some of the big cloud providers like Amazon maybe have better access to the security talent than they do. I mean, Goldman Sachs just announced it going all in. That's Goldman Sachs that they never do testimonial. Right, so the privacy and the sensitivity to the data is king, you know, you have to be willing to put it in the cloud. Then the second question is, is it a technical fit? And that's where this spectrum of workloads comes in. The bigger a workload goes and the more you want to speed it up but keep the workload the same size, that's what we call strong scaling and that starts to stress the network and stress the system and that's where these tailored systems come in. And so you have to look at where things fall on the spectrum. A good example of workloads that would fit is these design space explorations, anything that we would call pleasingly parallel or embarrassingly parallel in the industry where the communication does happen but it's not the limiter of the calculation. So screening for drug candidates, for personalized medicine, a lot of life sciences applications, financial services is a good fit in manufacturing design space exploration maybe for different designs and materials for a dashboard or a component of a car.  How do you explain the phenomenon of Amazon web services and the cloud action right now because you're in it every day, you're close to all the action but I get asked all the time, what's the hub of about AWS? And it's hard to explain the phenomenon.  I mean, how do you explain it to a normal person? Well, the conversation is usually pretty short because my family involves a historian, an English major, an accountant and people who really couldn't have a musician, a singer, people who really don't have the slightest interest in technology. Hard to talk about Lambda when you're... So I'm really the only technologist in my family so I just avoid it but the question does come up with my parents. Parents like to brag on their kids so they like to know what you do and every year my mom asks me what I do and I try to explain high performance computing to her and she says, oh, I don't get it but when you explain it in terms of things like climate modeling and being able to support the nuclear test ban that's worldwide, that's done with high performance computing, saving cars, finding missing children, better quality of life through all the AI that we're now experiencing. Analytics is a great use case. Then people say oh, they can understand the use cases. The elasticity of the cloud really is not something that I discuss with family but even coworkers, I think, that's what the conversation focuses on. Recognizing that high performance computing is a range of workloads. So they're all very phrases differently. What's your perspective on, what's observations that you get excited about that are enabled now by these new use cases? Because there's new things now that are possible. The number of computations, you got analytics, you mentioned a few of them. What jumps out at you, wow, that's really awesome. We could do that. This is going to sound a little odd and maybe not what you expected, but I'm not actually a technology enthusiast, believe it or not, despite, I think technology's cool, I like what it does, but I don't get super excited about technology. One of the things that I'm excited about, the cloud is probably at the opposite extreme of what you would expect, which is back to how does the elasticity of the cloud fit. There's so many companies in this world who could benefit from high performance computing and don't today. A recent study showed that 95% of U.S. small media manufacturers, which is over 300,000 are not using HPC today, right? And so as they're part of the supply chain, whether it's into a Boeing or an Airbus or a Lockheed Martin or a Honda or a Toyota, there's this whole supply chain. HPC's being used at the top, it's not being used at the bottom. So I think the cloud is actually really, really exciting because it allows somebody to get over those initial hurdles. The CAPEX, getting access to pay as you go, prove the value proposition, because a small meeting business actually has to take a risk to use HPC. They have to divert capital and divert resources and they could lose a contract. So do you see a lot more companies starting to take advantage of some of this high performance computing capability just because it's now, you can rent it by the hour and try it out, give it a bit of a whirl and then see actually this is going to be really valuable for us and then deploy a lot more of it. Exactly, and that's one of the key things we're promoting is because we want to bring more people into the world of high performance computing. So AWS provides all the building blocks, compute, elastic storage and so on, but high performance computing applications really expect a specific type of platform that they can run on and that platform aggregates the resources. So there's a number of companies, Rescale is one, Cycle Computing and others who are actually providing that platform layer. And then once you've got the platform layer, all the, I'll call it the geeky stuff of AWS is abstracted away. Now the applications can run and that's what's bringing new users in. Bill, final question for you. AWS launched a C5 instance. What's that about? What's it mean for customers? Can you explain a little bit more on that one piece? Sure, we're delighted to see Amazon deploying the C5 instance. It's based on our latest technology in the Xeon product family. We call that the Intel Xeon scalable processor family. It includes, it's based on what we call Skylake technology or code named Skylake. There's a lot of innovations in that processor and that platform that are specifically driven by the needs of high performance computing. There's something called AVX 512, which is a doubling of the vector width, means that every core can actually do 32 floating point, double precision floating point operations per clock. That's tremendous, tremendous compute capability in a 2X over the previous generation. On the memory bandwidth side, which is another huge factor for high performance computing applications, like 66% increase in memory bandwidth. So it's a balanced platform and we're seeing improvements in high performance computing apps of anywhere from like 1.7X, sometimes up to almost 5X improvement in going from the C4 to C5 instance on a per node basis. I mean, this is going to really enable a lot of action. IoT, tons of great stuff. Absolutely, and as I talked about that range of HPC and what fits and what doesn't fit in the cloud, every generation of technology, what fits in the cloud is growing and C5 is another important step in that direction. Bill, thanks for coming on theCUBE. I'm Bill Melgrove, Chief Technologist at Intel HPC, high performance computing. The cloud is one big high performance machine in the sky where everyone look at it. Really great opportunity enabling all new use cases, doing things for society, benefits, and customers. Great stuff here, cloud impact is significant. IoT to the cloud, this is theCUBE. Doing our share here at AWS in Las Vegas. Be right back with more coverage after this short break.


Many thanks for being with us this morning. We're looking at a second conversation and this point we're looking at the issue of all thefts and vandalism pipeline vandalism That has affected, you know Output production, but however the surveillance outfit of ex-militant leader government Ekbermo Polo alias Tom Polo have discovered major tapping point in the trans Focados Ramos pipeline in Delta State through which international oil companies and security officials or bunkers and locals have colluded to bleed the country over the years Tom Polo discovered the breaches after the in our during national petroleum cooperation limited NNPCL Awarded him the pipeline surveillance contract while he took time to investigate to find out those Penetrating the act or perpetuating that the findings according to reports that it's a top secret information For the chief of defense staff That's the CDS and who is general lucky rubber the group managing director on Idran National Petroleum Cooperation limited NNPCL Laji Melio carry both of who flew in from Abuja at the time to Delta State to inspect several Valuations the NNPCL and security officials countered 16 breaches on the pipeline operated by Shell Petroleum Development Company the Yorkerie community and it's environs in Delta State the pipeline runs from Otumara and ends up for that cause For Cardo's terminal and all tests all companies and security officials have actually siphoned You know the products which has left the country bleeding the story is almost endless But let's have a guest join us this morning to share his thought all our body show me all and gas experts He joins us all the way from Abuja. Thank you so much show me for being part of the show. Yeah Good morning. Happy holidays Happy holiday to you. If you can hear me loud and cloud. I'd like to declare really I'd like to show your thoughts Okay. Thank you. I think you are very articulately spelled out the problem in terms of what is happening there, but what You may not have alluded to and what everybody knows is that these things are not totally me I mean, you don't need to be in the industry for somebody to let you know that there's all tests The issue has always been that Has anybody ever been held accountable for this thing? So we need to understand that in life Even with children when there are no consequences to wrongdoing people are encouraged doing it So the issue is not so much as the revelation of the test or the extent of the test or the amount of Criminality that goes on but the issue is that the people the system the coordination that ensured that Nigera should change and suffering as a result of these should there be consequences to it That is what we should be talking about So you believe you were involved and it will never look so as we were involved should have Consequences if the NMPC officials were involved the NMPC officials were involved should have consequences to these actions If there were people in other departments They're very involved. There should be some kind of consequences so that that can serve as a deterrent In future because if nothing happened, trust me in the next one or two years You have another set of hungry aggressive people who will do similar things or attempt to do similar things because they know that at the end of the day there will be no consequences all Developing nations we talk about they have developed There's no an order because there are consequences when you break law and order so for me In spite of all these things and all that yes, it is that yet. It should not be repeated But more importantly, there should be a consequence a proper investigation and consequences for those who have found to be wanting so As much as we say we should talk about the consequence But it's also important that we talk about how long this Evil and this practice has been going on without anyone noticing So it feels like we just woke up someday and we realized that You know our pipelines have been tapped now in 2016 the Nigerian extractive industry transparency initiative Alluted that Niger recorded this has crude oil loss From 2016. So why didn't we swing into action? Are we saying that we're not in the know? Oh, this is just another pretentious act, you know by the government of the day Okay, so when you say we you know, it's good to clarify. What does we mean? Hey, are you talking about security forces? Are you talking about gold? So if you're talking about government, are you talking about NNPC or the Minister of Petroleum or the Revolta or are you just talking about We as a stakeholder, I mean, so we're talking about stakeholders now because when we talk about we Well, everybody is a stakeholder, including you and I We are all stakeholders, but there's been a stakeholder that does not necessarily mean any position to act So that is why it is important to clarify that definition I mean that pronoun in this case means The important thing like I said, yes, this thing has been going on for some for a while That will all agree. How long we cannot know until a proper investigation is taking place However, I'm speaking as an engineer now and as somebody who is familiar with food flow There is no way they were properly used. There was an audit of that thing for them not to know In fact, there are too many things that would have allowed them to know Even normal maintenance and piggy of the Of the pipelines would have and would have showed that there were issues The the extent the pressure of the fluids when you were coming out would have shown that there were issues and they were looking There are a million and one ways in which they would have known so it is impossible That nobody would have known However, if they had known What were they really about it? Who are the people that need when they start knowing about the issues? You know, so those are things that an investigation can reveal They're not things that can be I'm asking whether that investigation should have been done if you have the uh, nitrogen extractive industrial transparency initiative from 2016 saying that You know at the time that we had lost we recorded the highest loss in terms of crude oil So, um, we we need to understand that we're in 2022 and we can't just wake up and begin to sound like We don't understand this report and this, uh, you know, uh, article or whatever Our investigation was made public at the time that there was superior strength There was something that was wrong that led to the loss of our crude oil And so one what we you were now saying Or you know the government because the government is also saying that we need to have some kind of Investigation to understand this has been made public. You have also said that we're in the know So exactly what is it that stopped us, you know from stopping whatever was going on from 2016 Okay, so so what has been made public now? Is that there's criminal activities going but before Certain decisions can be made in the certain other questions need to be need to be clarified In verifiable manner the keyword here is verifiable So things like how long this thing has taken place needs to be known the people that were involved from the beginning They also need to be known those things cannot come out from a dating investigation Because meeting is an NGO is an industry watchdog these issues that i'm raising they are criminal in nature So it will take a license and someone will start to Responsibility to do that proper investigation and that is why there's a need for a proper investigation It is not just for the sake of it. It is so that people can be persecuted So and it's so that that persecution of the people who are guilty can serve as a deterrent It's basically how law and order works So that is and the case was substituted for that We're grateful for the work that may be has done. They're starting them in things We're grateful for pointing directions to report. They can only do so much Because they are not called. They are not empowered by law to do those things So that's why in the absence of a proper investigation that is backed by law Either by the legislature either by the police or by any other law enforcement agency We can only be grouping in the dark pointing fingers That's the best that can happen. So there must be that investigation by law So what happens, you know with the investigation, especially when you have those who should be investigating, you know The entire situation being complicit In the investigation, what will be the outcome? Well, typically in cases like that, they will do a commission of inquiry We should be empowered by law. Usually you need to get a judge who would not have certain people So there should be a commission of inquiry and that commission of inquiry will be giving In terms of reference and in time frame That's basically how those things happen What we are facing is not totally strange in the world of conducts Where you have people even in developed countries that this is where the police force Are found to be corrupt and entrenched in criminal activities. We are willing to go about it So what we are saying is this that if we are if the Facts of the matter is pointing to systemic corruption Then there must be a commission of inquiry which can be headed by judge or entire judge Somebody independent of the system and then you get some other people who are knowledgeable About the industry into the system to be able to dissect the technical aspects of it And then we produce reports which will usually be submitted to the president Who is the person that will commission and based on that Then the police And all the people within the justice system come back to prosecute people who are held accountable That's how it is done So in all of this Some Nigerians think that you know The minister of petroleum resources and the minister should be held accountable and we know that President Muhammad Bari has occupied that office seven years splints counting. What are your thoughts? Well, to the extent that the ministry provides NMPC, they have where they'll be held accountable But so is NMPC. So is the Navy. So is everybody. So basically you are not going to summarize the Problems and don't be on Just tips of one person that will be skin-coating The issue is this a proper investigation We show if there was an accountant that all that figures to the extent that that accountant all that figures It should be held accountable if there was an engineer that Give false reports on the fleet that were to come out that they come out that engineer to be held accountable if there was a PR person who gave false information to the public to the extent that it broke the law It should be held accountable. So basically We cannot do a kind of spontaneity or stupid on that carpet in this case Everybody should remain to face the law to the extent To which they broke the law. It is not a blame This no longer we shouldn't be looking at casting blames. That's okay. The The minister is fully responsible. He should take the blame. No, it's not a blame It is about people who broke the law being held accountable by the law That is the way to go So so what becomes of Nigeria now and where you know You understand that we are very dependent on oil for earnings And with the crisis is going on in Ukraine and with the fact that we haven't been able to meet Quota and also on the other hand There's also, you know a plan to reduce an output or which has already been done. And so From the time that we probably would say we're producing 2 million per barrels plus We have been reduced to producing 1.8 or there about and however We haven't been able to leave up to, you know, that quota that's been allocated towards other country Producing below 900,000 with all of this. How do we survive? What's the way forward? I mean I covered a very big hole Which is what these things are that hole should be blocked I mean and that way in itself we show up. I mean if there is still in 500,000 barrels per day You can do the maths. 500,000 barrels per day is not a small amount of Cool oil anywhere in this world and you can do the maths. So if you have discovered that I mean that is one way in which we will show up the amount of I mean our production quota. So it was never really about militants. They were still in the creeks It was never really about the pipelines that were being blown It was just about systemic tests within the MMPC and that is what has come to the light So basically In the past we were grouping in the dark trying to uncover and try to know what the issues were behind our local production quota But whether they were from whatever issues those things have come to light now and I mean I believe that they will be plugged and everybody will be the better for it But but how can how can this you've talked about the holes being blocked? How do you block a hole if you don't identify the persons? However, we hear that, you know, it's top secret for the minister of defense or I mean the chief of defense staff and so It's it's not that we this names can not be published It's not that we don't know the people who are involved, but we can put it out because it's top secret So how do you go ahead to block all of this when you're not transparent, you know with the entire process? Let's see the discovery because it feels like we you know, we truly imagine one and we're here now Okay, if I I wasn't hearing clearly But if I got your question What you were trying to say is that how can we recover these if we are not transparent? So you're talking about the system. Am I correct? Yes, exactly so When you talk about systems like a transparent system and all that so we're talking about how things should function In a normal in a normal situation or how to get the situation into normalcy Which will be the results After these criminal investigations is over. So right now we are in a crisis So you are not yet going to be talking about normalcy where there's a crisis because there has been a discovery Of the fact that a significant chunk Of our resources is consistently being stolen. So what we need to do is like a patient Who maybe he gets constant headache and is dizzy and as a result he has had an accident When he has an accident The first thing you will be looking at is to stop areas without bleeding and all that Is not to be looking at the cure to dns So when you have recovered it from the emergency that you can now be looking at the causative factors What would have been causing this person to have been dizzy? So right now we have discovered that there's a bleeding of the resources as a result of systemic tests That bleeding means to be stopped So when it is stopped The system within nmpc to make it accountable so that the People can be so that they can be transferred and audited can now be put in place Because putting that system in place now Is in the mid term and long term in the short term It is the test that needs to stop. So this is just basically how the patient will call how systems work So that's the point there It's okay. Uh, thank you so much elaborate. They show me for being part of the show this morning We appreciate your thoughts And and the perspective you brought on the issue. Thank you Thank you very much. It's a pleasure All right, then have a happy holiday a lot, but they show me is an oil and gas expert in abuja And that's the size of our conversation On the breakfast. 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Incredibly tense baseball game happening. It is the bottom of the third inning, only playing three innings and team A has five runs. They're winning, team P only has four runs. But like I said, it's the bottom of the third and team P has a runner on third base. Now that is the tying run. The go ahead run is on first base. There are zero outs and as you can see from A and P's faces, it's intense. So here comes the pitch. She's going to go with the slow ball, the 73 mile per hour.  Looks the runner back to third base. Smart baseball gets the sure out at one. That's one out. First baseman goes back to the catcher home. Now both runners are going to third base at the same time and what's going to happen here? It's a situation and we're going to see one out and you see team P's or A's. I forget what my team was. Eyes look and sees the one out. That's the second out. Then we're going to flash again and there's a third out and you see my eyes go over there again. And whoa, triple play, triple play, what? Team P says in triple play. Team A says and team P says this game is rigged. I quit. It was tough for him the entire time actually. So I started saying this before. We don't think you control the defenders at all. The game is notoriously. I don't want to say bad for that, but it's kind of the game's thing. And there's a good example because it looked like my second baseman had a beat on it and now we're at the wall. Home run. Is anyone going to cover first here? Starting to get worried about my second baseman. I'm going to be honest with you. Pitch up. Nice screw ball. It's a really good pitch. Now it's an easy out. Yeah. What'd you just say? What were the last words you said? Oh, my second baseman's tracking it down. Right side. Kind of need a little something from you boys. Oh, that's the hit and run right at the second bait. Kept me honest. Now I'll just go back to hitting that your office. Oh, there he is. Mr. America. Stolen base, welcome up, I think. Steve Sanderson.