All righty then. Welcome to EFAP 124, could be 125 actually. 124, yeah totally 124. And people are gonna be like, wait when was this live? I missed this live. Well, look, chat's not even moving. They're dead. Chat's not even moving. I know right, this is pretty horrifying. And people are really like, wait why? Why didn't you do it live? Because the live slot was already taken and we don't have as much time and we gotta get another amount of steel coverage done. All these different reasons. Okay, EFAP community. Are we not live? Just a pre, no. Oh, okay. So it'll just be a bonus EFAP that pops out. In the same way that we kind of do meme fabs, which by the way doubles up pretty well because the amount of steel video we're covering, I am not sure from the parts that I've checked out that we'll be okay streaming a lot of the visuals from it because there's a lot of extended moments that aren't even from the movie. There's lots of like, I don't know, things, but this way we will be completely safe. Um, yeah, how's everyone doing? You're all right? Yeah, so it's all good. Yeah, I'm all right. Things are okay. I'm having some kebab right now. I'm doing dandy. I just saw Fellowship of the Ring and IMAX last night and that was amazing and now I get to talk about Man of Steel, which is about the opposite end of the quality scale. So that's great. I'm sure Man of Steel and IMAX is totally awesome and great. So, yeah. Yeah, I get even a bigger headache from watching in IMAX. So, um, this is kind of a little bit off topic, but I think it's amusing. My, uh, this is a subreddit called Shitty Dark Souls, I guess, and my video for the Dark Souls 2 series got posted there. The whole subreddit about Dark Souls 2? Oh, no. Um, but it seems like, because I saw the thread and a lot of people were like, yeah, his videos are shit, but there was lots of people like, they're actually kind of good, though, in fairness. Like the Dark Souls 2 has a lot of problems. And someone had to do me with this selection of comments I thought were amusing. So you got someone's shitting on just my videos in general and they go, please, for the love of God, can you people actually watch even a second of that video before pulling this rhetoric? I think it relates to the Joker, um, uh, J. Nicholson one. And the response is, I can't because I have a job at basic responsibilities. This is so don't form stronger opinions on something you aren't properly informed about. So that's pretty simple. Then you go, no, I've already watched Joker and Nicholson's review. I'm not watching a 12 hour review of a review. That's the death of creativity itself. Oh my goodness. Oh, hey. I love the fact that, like, that thread begins with, uh, with that dude getting upvoted and then it just goes straight down the down. Yeah, I mean, death of creativity itself. I think I'll go like a Goodell bit request. I guess this is official. You felt the death of creativity. It's not watching a 12 hour review. Imagine that was something we did, which by the way would be totally fine, but it's not even something we did. Oh, I could even watch you type it out. That's so sad. Yeah. The death of creativity itself. That's such a villain line here. Really talked about her for how long was it? Four hours or so? Um, someone chopped out all of our tangents and it was a three hour video, I believe. Oh, that's not that long, especially when you talk about all the, when she'd said so many things that were like bizarre and wrong. Um, speaking of that, someone, they just shared a comment from someone who's a fatter J. Nicholson saying this. I don't even know what the site is. I just thought this was funny. Jenny Nicholson is such a likable personality that it takes an effort of personal will to stop myself from trying to form a parasocial relationship with her. Just shockingly engaging with somebody who has effectively built an entire career around talking into a camera. You know, you can just say that you, that you watch her because you find her attractive, right? Perfectly okay to admit that. I feel like if you're aware of parasocial relationships, then you should be able to resist, but they're even aware and they're still getting sucked in. They can't help it. I'm glad they enjoy. Nice and strange. Very strange. Um, yeah, I can't remember if we brought this up, but Sophistic Autistic in the Discord wanted to make sure it was mentioned. I couldn't remember if we did or not, but I just got, um, got, yeah. Now mention the part where Jor-El says that he hoped Clark would be a bridge between two people and then play the clip with Superman Yells that Krypton had its chance. Yeah, when they sent out a movie, I was like, what, what do they mean by that? That bridge had its chance.  And he's like, I mean, I made my choice, bro. That's the one thing I didn't want to ever die. It was my choice to make. All right, emotional. Um, and yeah, I saw about three, uh, different individual comments that in some way was upset that we had shat on Blinkist that were like, do you guys actually have no idea how Blinkist is useful? Which wasn't our argument at all. We didn't say Blinkist couldn't be useful.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was counter useful. It well, it certainly could be, right? Theoretically, but at the same time. You knew more than you did. So I'm trying to concoct a scenario where it would be useful for me and I'm like, oh, I don't know. Do I want to read this? You know, like a book synopsis or review could be useful. And it's like, if that's what Blinkist is doing, why pay for that? When you get like a Cliffs Notes version of like Shakespeare. I mean, I thought it was trying to purport itself as like a, you don't have to, because that's what Phil Bento said. You don't have to read the book. You could just read the rating as an obligation. Well, it's a tough thing to do. It would be different if it was because these, um, these summaries that Blinkist was talking about, they're like 10, 15 minutes. If they were an hour, then I'd be like, you know, an hour of someone who knows what they're talking about, talking about a subject, you could probably gleam it some, you know, something from that. If they're, if you're like a lecture, like if you're listening to an hour long lecture of someone talk about a movie or talk about a book or talk about something, but it's not even an hour. It's like 10, 15 minutes bullet points. The fundamental point is the book is the length that it is on purpose. That was on purpose. Our videos aren't as long as they are on purpose. They just end up being 12 hours long. But you know, if you write a book and then you edit it and rewrite it and everything, and it has all this content and you try to construct an argument and then a bunch of that gets cut out, like, yeah, something's lost there.  Now is Blinkist doing the summaries of fictional books or just non-fiction? Non-fiction. I feel like there's just a lot of advice that you're going to be missing out on if you are just sticking to the Blinkist. Yeah. Also the context of certain pieces of advice, you know, like what it's all surrounding. I feel like with Cliffs Notes or Spark Notes, if you read that as well as, like, I don't know, so if you're reading a Shakespeare play and then you're reading the Cliffs Notes and Spark Notes version as kind of like, what's the word, sort of additional, it's accompanying, accompanying sort of content. Yeah, that can help enhance your experience of reading Shakespeare and you can understand it a little more clearly, but if you're just reading the Cliffs Notes version and you're not reading the actual play, like, what are you doing? Who has ever looked at a recommended video that's something you've seen back in the day and then you're like, I remember when that video came out and then you checked the upload and it's like nine years ago and you're like, oh my god. Also, apparently in my recommended now, it's been infected with Man of Steel. Brown Table's got a Man of Steel video and it's called Man of Steel is not Norfolk movie. What is it with these people? How are they so wrong about these soft balls, you know? Oh no, Man of Steel was terrible. Man of Steel was corrupted from everything you've seen from these people. Okay, now you see what that's up to. Never know what they're going to consider.  Well, in fairness, Man of Steel got Superman right, but homecoming got Spider-Man wrong. That's the kind of weird old will for dealing with. Nothing more Superman than Krypton had his chance. Oh yeah. Speaking of, I believe it is time for us to jump into what we hope to do on the other stream, but you see we ran over the proverbial limit of just existence, you know? Sometimes you just get tired and that's the sad reality. This one is especially interesting because last time we were looking at Filmento calling it perfect, this one is called Why You're Wrong About Man of Steel and it makes reference to being objectively wrong. Oh boy. How exciting. I can't wait for, I can't wait to have them tell us how they feel. It's finally, that's loud. It's finally. Okay, yeah, so here we go. Into, into the fray. It's finally time for Batman and Superman to settle their differences with violence in Glorious 3 and also 2D, and that calls for a re-examination of Man of Steel, a movie that is without question the most divisive and polarizing comic book movie ever. Yeah, is it shit? Is it though? Also, it's not. It is divisive, but most divisive? No, no, no, no, no, no. So this was made in 2016. We can't count movies made in 2016. Ah, is it the most divisive superhero movie? What is, what would you guys think is the most divisive superhero movie prior to 2016? Probably the Dark Knight Rises. I would have gone with Dark Knight Rises, yeah. That's a good shout. Let me see. Blade. Didn't people like Blade? I don't know. I don't just like throwing that out there. What about Blade Trinity? Oh, yeah, that was, well, that was just hated. I don't think that was divisive. Where's Blade, Blade 2, Blade Trinity? We should watch that one sometime. Blade Return of Blade, Blade High Voltage. Oh, the Crank movies, they look good too. Yeah, well, Blade Crank. This was up there apparently. I remember being talked about, divisive, I suppose. I mean, it created the Snyder fandom, right? So it must have been in some way. I mean, it's probably divisive because it's really bad. I think that's why this one's divisive because it's really, really bad. It's a huge budget. It's Zack Snyder. It's Superman. It's kind of divisive in the same way that like the last Jedi was, I feel, where there's this like, it's so terrible and yet there's this group of people that so desperately want to believe that it's good. But it's Star Wars. How about that? People like TLJ comes out and people tell themselves that Star Wars has never been awful before. Okay, all right.  Films aren't about logic. All right. Well, there you go. Like, Paper Throne Season 8. Neither are your videos. The most divisive and polarizing comic book movie ever made. People either really love it or really hate it, or they liked it except for that one part they hated it. I don't think I hate Man of Steel. I feel very, eh, about that movie. I mean, I just, yeah, I don't, I don't emotionally have any kind of connection to this. It's just a really bad movie. And most really bad movies I just see as really bad movies. We think the level of hatred for Man of Steel is totally unreasonable, and we wanted to address some of its criticisms. All right. This is the two guys that would do this channel together, I guess. Oh, so they're both wrong? All right. Yeah, I know, right? That hopefully you'll be able to go into the sequel with a fresh understanding of the prequel to the sequel. Sweet. Man of Steel's criticisms range from superficial to legitimate to factually incorrect, and we've observed that most of the people who hate the film... But there's none that are correct? No, he said, he said some of them are legitimate, so. Oh, okay. ...are basing their opinions on the latter. What we want to do is show you the most common criticisms, subjective or not, and then respond to them through creator commentary, comic book history, clips from the movie, and common sense so that you can ask yourself whether you're objective... Common sense. Common sense in this movie are like in different universes. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if we can counter such common sense claims with possibly common sense. Who knows? Probably wrong about your own opinion. And if so, maybe you can enjoy the film with Newfound appreciation. But first, we got to talk about... I like the idea that it just implies that we're on the T-Book. Maybe we could hate... Like you hate it with Newfound passion. Sweet. Or this will do what most videos do that we cover, which is just reconfirm for us why the movie is terrible. With its terrible defenses.  Like how meaningful a lot of the interactions between all these characters are when they state attributes you could possibly draw from the film, but conflicts and conclusions that just aren't even in it. They should be like, didn't you see the incredible conflict between Zod and Kal-El as creatures of choice versus no choice? And how that... And he just like said, I was like, what are you... What? Where? Where do you see this shit? That one in the movie. It's never really emphasized. They certainly try to throw that stuff into the film, but it seems so half-baked and it didn't seem to have any kind of conclusion. And it's also at odds with the idea that Zod is a very well-developed and meaningful and understandable character when you want to argue that he's got no choice. Like, so he's just like a robot or an automaton. Would you guys say that this film struggles a lot with just focus in general? Like it doesn't seem to know what kind of arc it wants to give Clark. It doesn't seem to understand what theme it would want to focus on. Not to mention the meandering first hour that has just no focus at all and has these really strangely arranged cutting back between the present and the past. It's like, I feel like if you rearrange the order of some of the flashbacks, then the story becomes a little bit more coherent, but it doesn't actually save the movie. It might be a core issue because they clearly wanted to explain, I guess, how he becomes the Superman that we're more familiar with. That's what this film is clearly supposed to be. But they did it so bad. Like at the end, they remember it. When are you going to become a person who's super interested in just like goodness and saving people and defending even to the point of just being like American values? Like that sort of thing. Like, so where does he start? It's going to be like, well, he doesn't have those things and he has to gain them. It's like, so where are you? Well, hmm, where does he gain them? It's like, I guess at the end of the movie when he brings down the drone, it feels like that was the scene where they just sort of remembered that he has to say something like that. Well, I mean, that seems really weird because he's like, yeah, I'll look after you guys.  Okay, I'm from I'm from Kansas. I don't want to hurt America. Yeah, that was that was weird. It's like, why would I be alive from Kansas? Like, wait, what? Like, first of all, why? Why did you just narrow down their search? Secondly, how do they know for sure that you're from Kansas? Like, do you have any type of way to confirm to verify that? Or for all they know, you know, you could just be saying that you're from Kansas.  Yeah, I guess what I'm getting at is like, so they want to go from not wanting to save everybody to wanting to save everybody. And so if you can't really start them in that position, you have to be saving people already that it's like, do you want to choose to put yourself in a position where you're always doing that for humans? And then he has that thing of like, I guess I'll give humans a chance. But we're all just sitting here lost. Yeah, like, why do you feel the way that you do about things?  Like, if you... Because the old movies made it very clear. It was very explicit in the old movies. Why, you know, Clark is such a good person. And this one, you're like, why is he good? Is he just because he has to be? Or what? I guess he is. Better articulate this in terms of, I guess I'll try and do a comparison. You know, like everyone knows the point in Iron Man where he's perfecting the suit he made in the cave and then he sees the news report about people suffering in relation to weapons being changing hands and stuff and he's working on his little arm and then he, you know, figures out weaponizing it and then he's like, this is it. He has a choice. He can put himself at risk as well as, you know, pissing off potential governments and I don't know, different situations by going in there and doing what he thinks is right or you can sit at home where he's safe. And there's of course the underlying element that he's trying to make up for having provided these weapons to these people. So there's like a meaningful choice there. Like he's, you go from, he was before and after someone who would like to help people but like how much danger he's putting himself in. Meanwhile with Superman, it's kind of strange. Like he, I'll give humans a chance.  Very poorly written, very, very poorly informed. If you make a Superman movie, this is like textbook what not to do. It leaves people confused when they watch the movie as to why he is the way he is.  Like what was Thor? Like what Thor's was like full on arrogance and vanity that he was the best and he should be the leader and he's awesome and stuff. And then his movie is about, you know, being brought down to the people level and choosing to fight and protect them even without his power, which makes him worthy of getting me all near back. Like, oh, that's a neat arc. Because you've got the constant which is wanting to help people which I think all of these heroes have is just that they have a flaw that they need to sort of deal with. Because like even caps like limits where his body is, his values are always in place. But this, it's like this film wants to argue that Superman gained these values. This is the journey for it. But I just don't really see it. Yeah, he just ends up a good guy. And you have no idea how we got here. He doesn't seem happy about it. Yeah, he like in his rest, like in BBS they probably carry, he carried this through where he just like almost boringly and begrudgingly is saving people. He's just there. He's like Mopey. He's just so blank. Like he doesn't want to be there. Like this is a waste of his time. Because even Doctor Strange, right? Because I know people are going to get pissed now if I'm referencing Marvel. Just like, okay, fine.  But his interest is that like the universe is going to crumble if he doesn't defeat Kaeselius and the army of people who's serving Dolmammu. And then he appoints himself after the, what's your name, dies as like the protector of Earth as a dimension or whatever.   Put in the position in a way that like makes a lot of sense. And I just, I don't get it with Clark in this movie. Don't get it at all. Well, I mean, that's kind of the interesting thing about like the MCU is that for the most part the characters are fairly solid. Yeah. You know, there are, there are a lot of issues. Yeah. But the characters are generally pretty informed and you understand, I guess, what their motivation is to be a hero is to save the world or something. But here, yeah, Clark seems really upset about having us to go around and help people.  He has a sword. It doesn't make any sense. It's odd saying that if you don't give yourself up, I'm going to make the whole world suffer. And then he goes to the church like, should I give myself up? It's like the whole world suffers. Why is this a hard choice?  Yeah, that's it. That's it right there. So maybe this video will help explain to us why this is a meaningful arc. Especially because for all he knows, it's like, oh, I'm a super human being. Whatever I have to lose, just go there. Exactly. He's like, at least with eyes. I'm a dude in a metal suit. So there is a degree of danger, you know. Yeah, but newfound appreciation. But first, we got to talk about some trivial nonsense that barely counts as legitimate criticism. Such as too much product placement. OK, I've never heard. Yeah. Until you mentioned it, I'd never heard this. Yeah. Cinema sins and nostalgia critic, I think, pointed this out as well. The first thing most people think of will be IHOP. Yeah, that's what I mentioned is IHOP. That's kind of the only one that comes to mind. Principally with product placement, though, I don't know that I've ever seen a movie where I've been like, this is ruining the film now. Like the product placement. No. Yeah, you just noticed that. I usually, yeah. That's usually as far as it goes.  Yeah. It's one of the only leftovers conveniently placed. And that doesn't go further than that. Like it's one thing to have like a Sony laptop show up and then the character that uses the Sony laptop saying, hey, I got this, the Sony laptop. It's really good. And like they're actually doing an advertisement in a movie where like that is obstructive.  That's an interesting point in terms of like, it would be, we'd be pointing out as bad dialogue because people don't speak this way. And then we could point to, it's likely product placement is the reason this dialogue was so shit, but it didn't have to be. Or I guess maybe if it was mandated by whatever deal they made, but yeah. This is not one of my criticisms. I don't care that much. I found it amusing at most. I, yeah, I don't care myself. It's basically an epic at best. Making movies is expensive. The most expensive kind of movie to make is a summer blockbuster. Well, it's expensive. You chose to make an expensive movie. Yeah. Yeah, wait, oh no, we, they didn't have to do any defenses of this, but if the first one is, hey, people got to make movies, I'd be like, oh no. It was like, hey, I need money. So Raid Shadow Legends is fine. Yeah, like let's not use the, well, we needed the money argument. You don't need that argument. Throw it out. You can make other arguments such as fucking, I don't know, the deal you made. There was no harm in using iHop in the film because iHop is a real thing and it's having its money being able to fund the film in exchange for nothing in terms of a breach is fine. That's what I would actually say. I'm typically less distracted by non-fictional brands showing up in fictional movies than fictional brands where they're like having to make one up from scratch. Where it's like, they're obviously trying to, yeah, I don't know. Superman's having a big fight at the pancake. At the big belly burger or something. Do you remember Magnavox and Sony? No, that is Simpsons. I know that there are a lot of good ones and I'm, yeah, like cartoons. Yeah, like sometimes it makes sense like with Breaking Bad and Los Puegos or Manos and the company that owns them. You don't want to use an actual company. Manos just felt nice and real to me when I was watching it. It's like, I could, well, yeah. Yeah, it's like, there's times where of course it makes sense to do that. And, you know, depending on execution, it can work. It's just, it doesn't distract me at all to see these brands show up in a fictional film. So I didn't need this defense, but it's fine. This one is reported to have cost 225 million dollars tied at number 12 with the Hobbit and a few pieces of garbage on the most expensive movies of all time. The Hobbit is a piece of garbage, though. Yeah, let's see. We have Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian. That was 225 million.  Jesus Christ, I had no idea that movie was so goddamn expensive.  I mean, millions. Damn, and then. You serious? Why? Which one? Which one is that? The fourth one. That's the fourth one, yeah. Damn. Oh, what a waste of money. Venju has Ultron. John Carter. Tangled. Spider-Man 3 was 258. Geez. See, kids, more money does not equal better. That's just not how it works. Look at the difference between number one and number two. Yeah. That's $79 million difference. Yeah, Spectre, which is one of the less well-received Bond films of recent memory. Thank God, man. I don't know how much Inspector Gadget was to make. Let me check. Wait, why did you want to check that specifically? Oh, I don't know. He said Spectre, and so I thought Inspector Gadget. I don't know. It's $75 million for Inspector Gadget. Is the most expensive X-Men movie really the last stand? That's sad. When was this list updated last? I'm guessing. Well, this probably would have been 2016. So yeah, they don't want to adjust. Okay. Well, yeah, I guess so. Anyway. That's the great and powerful. Where would you suggest they get that kind of money for that? Anything but product placement. That is not allowed. Looking for Keith Ross. Do you know him? Yeah, he was the guy I have. But product placement paid for over 70% of the film's budget. I guess the argument would be that since there's too much CG and too much action, if they cut some of that out... There is not too much action. Well, too much CG and too much action. That's not the format of criticism I would deliver. That's not quite... Yeah, I'd be like, but this is supposed to be very real and grounded. And so they're using real places that you could actually go to to add a sense of realism and authenticity to the setting. And then I would move on to the next point. I almost want to steal man these people. I'd be like, so what you need to do is find out what the criticism is. And if they say it distracts me, all you have to do is respond. It doesn't distract me. Because that's entirely subjective. Whether or not you are pulled out of a movie because you spot the word IHOP. Wouldn't touch and there wouldn't have to be so much product placement. But if too much action is your opinion, then that must also be your opinion of the Avengers. They're buying the stop. Oh, why are you making such bad arguments? Oh, it's what about us. Oh my goodness. You're even bad at your bad at attacking points we agree with. Oh my goodness. Why does this happen? You don't need to do this.  How are you even categorizing this? Because there is a lot of action in Man of Steel. I doubt there's similar amounts in terms of time code to Days of Future Past or Age of Ultron. The final act is all action. It's a huge amount of action in Man of Steel. Like my brain can't process it. I just, why would you even say this though? Like, ugh. X-Men pretty much any other recent comic book movie. I'm just saying the genre is probably not for you. And CG is the only way you can do this kind of stuff. Even for some flying and punching shots, practical effects are not practical. Because I don't know that you're at all. What do you think people did before we had CGI? I was probably gonna argue that it looked worse or bad back then. So I'm also just gonna say I don't know if anyone that complains about like too much action or CG in superhero films. That's not, it's just not. Is his cape CGI? Yeah. I guess that makes sense, yeah. So that it like, it flows, it looks cool as it flows in the wind. Yeah, they can make it flow the way they want. Oh, you can just use a fan. Yeah, but then it won't flow the right way that we need for my VR. Honestly, you make it sound like it's stupid, but yeah, they'll have complete control of exactly how the cape will move whatever time they want. What's that behind Henry Cavill that's like right between the green screen and the curtain? That's not a fan, it's a light. That's a light. Is that a light? It could be a fan that's on. I was joking, but yeah, it actually might be a little, it could be either. It's probably a light though. There probably are sometimes where he actually has the cape, you know. It's kind of like Doctor Strange. When they like want his hair blowing kind of realistically with the cape as well. So I would think that that would be a fan. It'll just CGI it's fine. If it was me, I just, you know what? We want a cape billowing realistically. So we're going to have a cape and we're going to have a fan. No, you know what? They would actually have to practice the CGI hair for Aquaman. So it very well could just be a light. Also just don't like this whole you have to have hundreds and hundreds of millions to be able to make an action movie. It's like they don't. Because look, the movie is gigantic. Of course we have spaceships. Of course we have plans. That's sex knighted. Oh, he's the, he's the one to blame. It says this is his fault. It's all his fault. He's responsible for this abomination. That's a real cape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, they gotta have a real one every once in a while. I'm sure of it. Yeah. Make Superman be super. What do you do from a visual effects standpoint? The idea was that if Superman does anything, it's going to have to be a visual effect. Whether it's what? Flying. Flying, lifting, anything really punching. Some of the proving ground for that was even in first. And that one's fake. To CG the cape for this shot. I don't even like, why do you need it for? I guess in case it were to fill it over his fist. I don't know. I don't know. No wonder this costs 225 million dollars. Yeah, I'm starting to see why they had to kid up IHOP. IHOP, we need you to cover our cape budget. This movie would have no capes if it wasn't for IHOP. No capes. His suit looks weird there, doesn't it? It does. The leg with the shloopy gloom, I don't know what that is. Rocking things. First flight. A lot of the stuff he did in his training facility to do his stunt viz did have the wires. Right. Because he wanted to show, here's the body language and all that stuff. And then you'd approve that. And then Damon and I would go back through it and go, let's not do that. That's a superhuman hit right there. Let's switch out there. Another way to look.  I'd be like, you know what, he's flying through the air.  And the big reason why it does is because they don't use lots of CGI at all. It's clear that she's. Is that because execution? Well, I think that I absolutely think that you're going to be able to achieve better effects with CGI for flying around and stuff than you could with a green screen. Of course. They're better. If he's flying at supersonic speeds, basically, because then if they're doing it with a fan, then the movement of the cape isn't actually going to match him moving at that speed. At ground. Yeah, that's not going to match. It's going to look weird. And you're going to notice whereas if you just flat out commit to having it be. Well, I think the way that this film works. Yes, I yeah. The Cape. We notice it with Wonder Woman 84. Yeah, it's 34. No, like her hair. It's pretty clear that it's just not like consistent with the way that she's moving around in this environment. Not to mention that, you know, like the fan could also mess with Henry Cavill's hair too in ways that they may not desire. It's I get why they why they did what they did. And I think like the easy compromise is just what they did, which is just have certain shots where it's just really close up on him on a wire moving around. I think that's the best way to do it. Remind people that it's a person. I definitely totally get why they would use CGI. This is all in favor of saying they needed money. OK, it's like, OK. Yeah. Look at this is that product placement stands in as a representative of capitalism. I know it's not fashionable to admit this anymore. But Superman stands for truth, justice, and the American way that we're not supposed to talk about it anymore. Politics. Does he still stand for justice? I mean, it's not our fault. I'm sorry to have. OK, just because this is something I think people are people miss. Just because it's viable in capitalism doesn't mean you have to do it. Like, yeah, choices to make in capitalism. You decided to make a movie that was this expensive. No one made you. No, capitalism.  Capitalism isn't a person who's coercing you into doing things. It reminds me of, like, again, the Raid Shadow Legend stuff. If someone said, like, well, you should be blaming capitalism. It's like, you made the choice. Stop blaming capitalism. Oh, yeah, it's your fault. To tell you this, but all that stuff is capitalism. Or should I say capitalism? I'm fine with her holding up a Nikon camera. I just like the product placement is a result of capitalism. So we're like, OK, what are we doing? Again, you didn't even you didn't even need to respond to this argument, but go for it stuff. So if you don't like product placement, then I guess you just don't like what Superman stands for. No. What are you saying?  Oh, my God. If you don't like product placement, you don't like what Superman stands for. Yeah, why do you like always happen? Like they'd say something.   It's like, what do you stop it? You didn't. What's that? You don't like Man of Steel.  Yeah. Oh, it's just not allowed. The reason that product placement should ruin a movie. This movie actually contains at least one reason to appreciate. No, it would be weird if people had like not real beers. And like he opens up the thing and all the beers are the same. I think they're Budweiser.  It would be weird if they were all different. Like no one does that. I don't know if I wanted this and one of that and one of this and one of that. No, they buy like six packs and 12 packs of things. So yeah, they would be all the same. Why are the tomatoes on top of a telephone and caution tape and the strange building? It's flowing over. What a strange bill. And they have warm cans. Shouldn't those be in fridges? Also, yeah, shouldn't all of this be in it? I guess I don't understand. I don't know what I would want to put a telephone in a fridge. Well, yeah. But the tomatoes on top of the telephone. I would. Isn't it worth putting the telephone in there if it means getting your beers and your tomatoes? Because the telephone will be fine in the fridge. You'll just be cold. It'll be a very cold telephone. Yeah, you put it up to your ear and you'd be like, hello, how do you think Mr. Freeze does it? And freezing that product placement for a movie. This movie actually contains at least one reason to appreciate it. How often do movies give you the opportunity to say something like, now I know what it's like to watch someone throw a train through a Sears appliance department? I don't believe that's what would actually happen. I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I do like Superman's acknowledges that thing phrase. And then just so. Also, I'm starting to wonder, because he gets blown into the building with it, wouldn't he be like Maeve where he would like crash through it? I guess not. Superman can crash through the alien spaceships. Buildings, yeah. Maeve was a strong train like that fish I'm landing in the beginning. But it's like someone throwing, I don't know, like a foam cube at you, real. Well, that would just dissipate before he even gets to you. I'm trying to think of how like a paper box. Yeah, paper box, like maybe a. But I mean, he, you know, could have done a lot of different things, but he just sort of lets it hit him into a building. Oh, yeah. Superman could have done a lot to do better. That feels like the theme of the movie. Superman could have done a lot. But he does. Yeah, Superman. Why does the movie spend so much time on Krypton? What doesn't spend that much time on Krypton?  Yeah, I would, again, change the criticism.     I'm fine with it. Fine with it and how long we spend there. It's not that long. I don't know. Yeah, it's not that long. It just feels really weird. The civil war and setting up Zod and the genetic brain thingies. You're just like, what's going on here? You didn't have to do this. It just overwhelms the viewer with information that it doesn't properly explain. Has a vibe. But you know when when Jor-El looks on like the big civil war that's happening, it definitely feels like this movie is like, are you ready for a grand spectacle? This is the Snyder universe. You're like, okay, all right. Throughout the various continuities, comic books and animated films, Krypton has tons of life forms that exist on the planet. Over 51 different species. I don't okay. 51 is a very good one. My issue isn't that there are alien creatures on an alien planet, which is doubly weird when they're humans. Who said this? Why did they say this? Yeah, who did say this? And where did you find? Did you make this up? I guess that's their nitpick section. I mean, that's at the beginning. This has to be like a citizen's criticism or something. It's not even an argument, though. Why are the alien creatures on the alien planet? You're like, I don't know. I don't know. Also, that's just good. The alien creatures on the alien planet are doubly weird when all of the aliens are humans. They're not human. They're kept down yet. They're humans. You know, it's really weird. Yeah. They look they're visually indistinguishable from humans. And they're supposed to have superman powers, right? Unless they go to the power planet. So they literally look. Yeah, it's just it's weird. You know, it's weird. They are weird. It's a willing bug, balloony, butterfly, fish, crystal birds. The movie includes these creatures because this is the comic book Krypton, not the Richard Donner Krypton. Everyone is used. I don't care as for why they spend so much time on the planet. Kryptonian eight, Kryptonian dog, Kryptonian. It's like, oh, I can tell they're from Krypton.  Metal eating mole. My one. Metal eater. Oh, metal run. No, metal eater makers. Oliphants. Non-breathing beast. Non-breathing beast. Oh my God. What does that even mean? It's a rock. Oh my God. They've got a flog name. Kwan. Kwan. The man is an alien. He's part of the narrative. Ron. I don't even find the character saying worthless anyway. I just want to look. I'm wait. Isn't Shagoff like a like an HB Lovecraft type word? Shubnigaroff. Shubnigaroff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A turquoise thought. Thought beast. Yeah, small beast. That's the best one. I want that to be my name. How do how do we pronounce? How do we say the last one here? Trypedal curosianium. Yeah. No, no, Curiosian nanium. Curios Curios Curiosiananium. Curiosiananium. No, no, no. Trypedal curiosiananium. No, no, it's not curio. It's curosiananium. Cur curosiananium. Trypedal curosiananium. Good job. Whoever named that. Tyrannoshart. Oh, one more down the list that we've already got a banger. Ted Thofles. Tyrannoshart. I want a Tyrannoshark and a volcano lady. Ted Thofles sounds like the original name of Kanto Byte before they rage rafted it. What planet are we on? Winged Cat. I'm going to roll them back so I don't even know what the guy talking was saying. It's a roar. Because this is the comic book crypton. Not the Richard Donner crypton everyone is used to. As for why they spend so much time on the planet, the filmmakers were trying to play up the fact that Superman is an alien as part of the narrative. Oh, they did that really badly. Yeah, they did a really bad job with that. There's nothing about him that comes across as a Kryptonian in the movie. He just sort of says that he is and misses them and considers them as parents. It has to choose. They could have done so much better with that if that's what they wanted to do. Yeah, in fact, in the original, when he finds his fortress of solitude and we first see him taking off and flying, that segment, you have Jor-El. They play a big part of what he's saying to Clark as he's flying through space as like a midway point or like a reminder of who he is. And it works really well. This is a weird one. Reach between well. Not really, though. Here we go, Dad. Not really, yeah. I'd have to have you explain what that entails. Well, because we're doing essentially a science fiction movie and we were highlighting Superman's alien nature, I wanted to spend a great deal of time. You did a bad job. Zure, spend a great deal of time on this one. Vegetation edit. Singing flowers. After rejoin to watch together. We must go climb the Nangu Tree. Oh, no. You're not going to see the blood bloom plant and the illusion trap plant. But yeah, they've got a recording of... Nengu Tree. The argument just went out like, oh, we wanted to spend a while on Krypton. And it's like, you didn't really spend that long there. I feel like I'm missing something. I didn't feel like it was that long. Yeah. I don't know where they got those high-lighting Superman's alien nature. I wanted to spend a great deal of time on Krypton. Yeah, so if you're going to highlight Superman's alien nature, that should be something you do with Superman. And probably his dad in the ship, spend some time learning about... The thing is, he has to leave him as a baby, so he's not going to be infused with much Kryptonian culture and a missing of the planet and the people, you know? You're going to have to really work hard in post to redraw that sort of connection. But they didn't really. Either the AI is weird.  And Clark's like, oh, that's a weird story to tell me, but okay. Yeah, what's up with that? Yeah, what is up with that? Yeah, so... This could be a flaw in a different area. Like for some reason, the council believed that the planet will make it. Well, no, they don't because they say, they seem to acknowledge what Jor-El says, so that can't be a custom. That's all that could be argued, I think, for this. That's what they do when people break the law. And it's like, but sir, our planet is about to explode.  They get to live. We get to die. Well, that was apparently... We won't get out of our spaceships and leave. That was apparently the animated version, was one of the Jor-El's suggestions, was to put everybody in the Phantom Zone to save them from this, which is interesting. The idea, like we said it in the recording, I would rather be frozen to be unfrozen in an undetermined amount of time versus being blown up, I don't know, I guess, like, especially if you're not... Well, then again, it depends on what Phantom Zone it is, right? Because, like, I've heard some of them are, like, conscious and just stay. I mean, we know that with this one, they're... Well, do we know that they're unconscious with this version of the Phantom Zone? Because they're frozen. Yeah, they have covered in goo. I don't know, they didn't say, I don't think. You know what? I would still... I think I would still pick being frozen, because there's one where you definitely die and one where you maybe die. I'm not sure what I would pick on that. Because I would fear that we wouldn't be released for so long that I'd probably go insane from having, if I was just consciously staring forever. Space can be pretty neat to look at. But if you explode... But if, um, if Krypton explodes and you get to be free and you know that Krypton's about to explode... That's not something anyone knew would happen, I don't think. That's just, like, oh, lucky for us when Krypton exploded and freed us. It's like, uh-huh. Oh. Yeah. What a weird alien race with weird... What logic was that? Anyways, that when Krypton exploded, the Phantom Zone was reopened. Is there some sort of, like, a gate on Krypton, like a computer that opens up and closes the Phantom Zone? And when it gets blown up, it reopens the Phantom Zone? Like, what's the deal with that? I don't think they say they just go lucky. Yeah. Seems very weak. Very flimsy. Oh, yeah, I mean, the whole film is built on those sorts of things. Like, um, this is what I want to get to. I'm hoping he's gonna bring up something because we didn't go over it in the live stream, but I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna go and get there. Vents and the opening of the movie before Krypton's destruction happened some unspecified length of time before the planet implodes. The Kryptonians don't know exactly when the planet is going to blow up, and Jarell estimates that it's a matter of weeks. You're not understanding- What?  So it's a matter of weeks? But they know it's a matter of weeks. It's a matter of weeks. And we get to feel the exact thought that's still- No, so this is how it's dumb. They remember Rags. He's like, we need to evacuate, and they're like, evacuate the whole planet? Like, are you crazy, Jarell? I was like, well, we could start. Exactly. There's no- You know, I mean, this is our survival as a species. Jarell says it's too late for anybody on Krypton. Anyway, like, the implication being we're gonna explode is just too late. So the best they can do is launch the codecs and embryos and clock. He's wrong, by the way. Like, very wrong, because the fact that you have a ship at all, that can- The fact that you traverse the galaxy, you fucks. Like, yeah. It doesn't make any sense. They're- The whole Kryptonian civilization thing needs an entire rework from the ground up. Scrap it entirely and come up with something else, because this doesn't work at all. Yeah, and trying to say that, no, this happened weeks after they sent Cal-L to Earth, is like, well, this just hurts the film even more. Yeah, wait a minute. This doesn't fix anything.  We got weeks before this planet explodes. Let's go. We have more important things to focus on. Load up our ships. And how about a punishment of just time to a chair on Krypton? He's fucked, trust me. Yeah, just leave him in the cell. Krypton's core is collapsing. We may only have a matter of weeks. The Kryptonian culture is so steeped in tradition that their leaders are not about to- Well, so in the film, he says we may only have a matter of weeks then. So they had plenty of time. They're so steeped in tradition that there was a massive civil war against tradition.  Like, that's- Yeah, that- I don't buy it. War is collapsing. We may only have a matter of weeks. The Kryptonian culture is so- Like, you'd think that they could double check that. Like, the core is collapsing. It's like, well, let's take a look.  Look at that. Yeah, we can do something. They don't seem to disagree. Not at all. It's tradition. They don't seem to disagree with him. They almost acknowledge that he's correct, but their counter is- Evacuate the whole planet.  It's like, what? So he's like- I get baffled by that response. He's just been dying. That response blows me away. Like, as if her argument is, or he- I can't remember which one of them says it. Um, as if they're saying, like, we couldn't evacuate everybody, so let everyone die. It's like- Yeah, die, because surviving is hard work. Yeah, no. Those are two choices. Dying's easier, I guess. Yeah. Because- Imagine it on the Titanic when it was sinking.  Let's all go down with the ship.  It's like, no, they're arrogant and they're steeped in tradition.  They have goals and they don't execute them. War is collapsing. We may only have a matter of weeks. The Kryptonian culture is so steeped in tradition that their leaders are not about to abandon that just because the world is about to end. The world is about to end.  At what point do you go, you know what?  And they happen to be the leaders of Krypton. The planet's gonna blow up, but tradition. And anyway, some time has passed between the Z-Team imprisonment and Krypton's destruction. It wasn't right after. Do you think Lara, Elle, whatever, was pissed that Jor-El didn't make a passenger seat and clocked ship for her? Yeah. It's like, you have all this time. Like, make it a three-seater. Let's all go. I don't go. Well, I do get because we went over the previous stream. There is a quote for this where he says that they didn't because they're a part of Krypton's failures. Oh, like, even though they are the only reason that I... That's one of those things you say, but it like doesn't mean anything. Again, I read it on the stream, but I'll read it out now. Why didn't you come with me? He says we couldn't. No matter how much we wanted to.  As much as Zod was, we're tied to its fate.   And you think to yourself like, ah, they accounted for it. And you're like, no. You're like, haven't accounted for it at all. They just make them sound insane. Why would you not want to go with your son? No, we should just explode. You made that decision for both of them, I suppose.  And she's like, there is no refuge. The implication being... That's not true. You have a space for civilization. The important part is that she's willing to save her own life. She thinks there's no way to do it. Jor-El said, nah, we both have to do it. I think we can spot what happened here. Jor-El was like, no, there's no way I can put you in the ship too. It's just not a thing. Sorry, she's like... Really? He's like, yeah, no, no, I wish I could. Why? I just can't do it. I'm tied to Krypton's fate. I'm also arrogant. Listen, if you're suicidal, just say so. All right. If you just want to die, that's more believable. She regrets that marriage. And Krypton's destruction. It wasn't right after. This movie has no character to develop. Okay, that's not true. There's just suddenly a huge thing. Like the other three haven't been as big as this, but all right. Hmm. No character development? Yeah, I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say there's none. I'd say it's just very poorly done and minuscule. Yeah, it's very at odds with itself. And it's... I hate to use the word because it's just so... It's just like, I just want to say awkward.  Like all the lines from the movie. Well, there's no clear through line from point A to point B for Clark or anyone in this movie besides Ginger Kid. Well, I know what people say about this film. It's the Clark has to learn that it's his choice to make to become the protector of Earth that he does. And it's like, that's his arc. He's like, I don't... The pieces aren't there. I'm sorry.  And then he's sad because he also tries to save people's lives while balancing his identity. And then he's told by Jor-El that like, will you make the choice to stand for the people of Earth?  And he's like, I guess I could give humans a chance. Do you see what I mean? All those pieces of information you're looking at him like, what is happening here? What is this? He seems to like to save people. He also seems to kind of let his dad die. That's awkward. He, that's a lot of people die. That's a lot of people die. Hell yeah, he does. So I don't know. Let's just see what this goes, I guess. Wait, what? No character development? The entire first half of the movie is character development. No, it isn't. It seems, it's just a picture. No, a picture of a kid playing with a dog. That's not character development. That's a kid playing with a dog. We're going to have to get into like definitions. So you know, like when he's dealing with his powers in school, if someone said that's character development, I'd probably be like, um, I don't know. No, he doesn't develop as a character. He gets more physically powerful. The part where she talks to him through the door, I can't remember what the dialogue is specifically, but that's probably something I would count. And she doesn't she say like make the world small or something because he said it's too big. I guess something's happening there that's character related. And he's going from X to Y.  Something happened that's character related is our bar. Yeah, it's thin and weird in this film. Yes.    It's not character. It's bizarre. Well, I guess some of it's character. The entire first half of the movie is character development. No, it isn't. It seems that the people who think this are assuming that the Cal-L we see in the film has all the characteristics and values of the comic book Superman the whole time from the beginning. No, it's no, that would be better. Because at least there'd be something. Yeah, if he was here, it's just the vacuum. I would accept having the whole child to teenager to adult and he's got the values that Superman has as Clark before he's Superman. Right. That's like the idea.  Jonathan telling the drown kids, maybe. Yeah, maybe. They don't realize that Clark Kent isn't Superman until the end of the movie. But you have to remember, this is sort of Superman. Oh, he wrote this. This is a myth. David S. Coyote. Oh, my God.  Well, in his defense, he did write Black Ops 1. So, you know, he had that all the time. Hey, he wrote The Dark Knight as well. Oh, neat. Oh, I mean, oh, maybe the world learns that he and he decides to assume the mantle of Superman through the course of the film. But that doesn't happen. I'm sorry. Yeah, but why? But also, I don't care what he says. Well, no, I'm OK with this being used as the argument. This is the argument that he goes from X to Superman in this film. And it's like, is that not fair? It's Superman begins like Batman. And I'm just like, where does he start, though? He's already willing to save people's lives at the cost of his identity. Then his dad says, maybe you shouldn't. And then he does.  No, sorry, then he does. Then he, yeah. And then and then move into will he be the protector of Earth? And you're like, why is this a question? So basically, he arrives where he started. Pretty much. There is change. If you look at the original, when he is, when we have that big time skip and he is now grown up more so and he's flying out of the fortress of solitude as Superman in the suit and everything, you're like, oh, I know exactly why he's doing this. His character is very well informed to be making these decisions. And I know why he's doing it. And you don't have to question it. Like the first, the first superman movie, it isn't even like good, but it's good character stuff. Like there's a lot of, there's a lot in it that is good. Genuine question. Why does Clark think humans are worth saving? Uh, I don't know, because Clark don't have a chance. The reason I'm bringing this up is that I don't think you need to go into that for every character or anything, but like he seems to have that sort of dilemma briefly. But then what is the thing that makes him go, you know, yeah, I'm picking humans. Especially because they try and push really hard that he identifies as a Kryptonian for kind of, for like whatever reason.  There's no question. Also Zod killed his dad, by the way. Yeah. Which he tells him, I have to drown to give it to Skulls. He's terrible. This is what it is, just no. Psychopath. There's no, yeah. Well, your morality makes you weak. At this point, like if you were a friend of Clark's and he's like, I don't know, man, humans are Kryptonians. You'd be like, dude, I'm gonna drop a bucket of water on his head. Like, are you serious? Like, please. Clark is the man that is unsure of his place in the world, trying to understand who he is. To a man who's still kind of unsure. Where do I come from? Why did you send me here? It's like, yeah, normal questions that get answered pretty quickly. We sent you here because we want you to, what is it, be the bridge between the two people be a symbol of hope?  While also saying, please choose your own destiny. Did they say anything along the lines of like, because we love you and your son and we want you to survive and live a life? Whether or not they did the obvious question comes up of why didn't you come with me? Yeah, why didn't you come with me?  Well, remember the AI would have been created before Zod killed thingy naturally. And so the AI doesn't know how he died.  Captain goes down with the ship, you know? He's like, what? Oh, why? All right. Okay.  Did anyone else build pods? Did anyone else survive? Why don't you guys go to the phantom zone?  Why did you send me here? Into a man who was ready to accept the responsibility of being a superhero. Accept the responsibility of being a superhero. Where was that? No, he just shows up and he's wearing the outfit now. Let's just start. We don't know why. It's the outfit that just happens to have a ship. That's the thing, we have no idea why. I don't even get what that means within the context of this film, accepting the responsibility of being a superhero. It's like, what do you mean when you're saying that? Accepting, like, that he has to be Earth's representative against threats? Is that what you're saying? Like, what is special about this suit in particular? Like, what's the purpose of it being on that ship? Was this meant for him? Was it meant for someone else? Well, maybe this video will go into it at some point. But what I know from Meme Repository is that there's a comic written about this portion of the film that's not in the film. This is strictly just to give you guys some information that apparently exists. This ship belongs to the House of El. It was driven by Supergirl 20,000 years ago. She crashed and died. That's an unfortunate name. The House of El. Not posting any wins. So yeah, that suit belongs to the House of El, apparently. So they all went and had 20,000 years. But I thought she was meant to be like his cousin. I thought... Yeah, they live real long, I guess. Dude, this isn't in the film, though. So it's a little bit of a comic. So I don't... Going strictly to the film.  There is a ship. It is Kryptonian.  But why is she flying a ship with a male suit? It's a suit fitted for men. It's like, wouldn't it be a suit fitted for a woman if it's Supergirl? Well, then it would be perfect. Where's hers? Oh, it will be perfect when it fits a Supergirl. I don't understand any of it. It's all really, really weird. And you'd think that this ship was... I was about to... No, I'm not even gonna try because it'll make no sense. It's just... I don't know what this all is.  And I think these are the kinds of people who are probably like, if you want to find out, go and read the books. What if this is actually a Supergirl's costume? They're like, what if Supergirl was trans? Or Supergirl was just buff? No, this is Supergirl's costume. That's why it's so tight fitting on him because he had to squeeze himself in there. Abby was Supergirl. Hey, well, you know, they could fight in BVS2 without Batman. Because he's just gonna watch from the distance with his shotgun. It does it. I can save Earth by turning myself in. Look at Jesus. I... Hey, I can save everyone by turning myself in. Yeah, that's what... That's what's on said. Should I? That's what I mean. Yeah. I just love the idea that he's like, wait, wait, wait, let's run these both like simulation-wise. I go up to the ship and see what he wants as this super unkillable dude. I mean, yeah, I guess that's one scenario. What's the other? I watch the entire world burn. And then I probably go and talk to him because what else am I gonna do at that point? Like, hmm, this is a real tough choice. I don't know. Oh, the dilemma. I don't know. Let's think of it this way. Humans have given him no reason to want to fight on their behalf or even, you know, negotiate on their behalf, right? Like humans suck. What have humans done for Clark? It's like, um, a lot actually. He doesn't seem to notice this. It feels like he arrived at Earth yesterday where he talks about humans.  It's really odd. Shouldn't that take it? We see Clark grow up under the fatherly guidance of John Kent who helps Clark understand the importance of his unique abilities and his possible impact. Yeah, no, this character is a horrific horrible terrible person. The whole thing is consequence for revealing yourself. He's like bad things could happen to many people, very nonspecific. And of course, in favor of letting groups of people die, if it means we prevent groups of people, it's like a really weird.  It's like, yeah, which you will be incredibly rich and famous. Everyone will know your name. Yeah, which one of these things like one of the greatest humans who ever lived capable of insanely amazing things. Like, yeah, that sounds awful. It's like, which one of those things do you want to happen? The bus of children drowning or the spooky fog? It's like, I guess I'll take the fog. Like, I'm not too bothered by it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I will risk being famous in the whole world. Is anything like myself being used as a, like a way to cure, you know, like what scientific research and everything. How is this person so strong? Can we like make other people this strong and healthy and everything like that?  It just, it seems like a really easy one.  And, you know, let's just pretend for a second that the government put out this big thing saying we're going to find this guy called Superman in the second we do. We're going to dissect him. We're going to chop him up into tiny millions and tiny pieces. And if your dad is like, oh my God, don't let that happen. Let the children drown. I would still be like, no. Like the government suck. I know. But no, I'm not going to let the children drown. I'm sorry. Dad, please let me see the children. And yeah, if anything, Jonathan Kent puts him away from his standard arc. Like it seems as a kid, he's like, yeah, he's saving people. A Jonathan Kent's like, maybe don't though. Maybe don't.  What, what they needed to do is if they wanted to have this, this sort of more ambiguous choice, then it should be him like stopping a woman from being assaulted. It should be or stopping someone from being bullied or something like that. Something really small scale where you're like, is this one thing worth it? Not saving the lives of a busload of children. Then your own father. And then your own father. Yeah, you need to have it be. You need to balance out these things a whole lot better if you want this to even approach a decision where you could haggle. Because this is a slam dunk softball. This is an easy question. You save the busload of children. Yep. I'm in favor of saving the busload of children myself. Like, duh. The cholo just goes like, I'm still a little jambuils prick anyways. It's like, no. Oh, that Dick Splash was on that bus.   And the writer. I'm sure a bunch of other people could as well. Oh yeah, I'm sure I could have. Who helps Clark understand the importance of his unique abilities and his possible impact on the human race. No, he doesn't. It's more out there. You, you have another father too who gave you another name and he sent you here for a recent Clark. And even if it takes you the rest of your life, you owe it to your friend. That's a frame written that's a little. Find out what that recent is.  That doesn't help him understand anything. Yeah, what, what is it? All he told him was you need to go and find out what stuff. Yeah, this isn't explaining. This is saying that you need an explanation. Yeah. This is the opposite of explanation. This is like when you have a quest and you go visit someone and they tell you that the princess is in another castle. That's it. Yeah. Jonathan Kent just said the explanation is in another This is a this is a line from the original. This is Jor-El talking to a young Clark. He says they can be a great people, Cal-El. They wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason, above all, their capacity for good, I've sent them you, my only son. That's already way better. What goes with the cons? He is presented with situations that need his superhuman abilities. Oh, Clark, you have to keep this side of yourself a secret. By the end of the film, Clark understands who he is. Why would you show that? And the yeah. Well, I'm actually waiting for him to make what I have a point he's trying to make with this. Yeah. Example he should set for mankind. I'm here to help, but it has to be on my own terms. At that point, he become no, you can't know like hundreds of thousands of people died. You need to calm yourself. You need to yeah. He really has no like to stand on when he says that at that point. Yeah.  So maybe chill with the watching music.  You could have done a better job or I honestly comes. It honestly kind of reminds me of Homelander now. Like the way that he says that in that context is like, yeah, that's that's totally a Homelander thing to do. They made Superman into Homelander and Man of Steel. Maybe Homelander will become Superman in season three of The Voice. He'll grow a conscience. Yeah, it's it's actually fascinating because you could have any onlooker just absolutely rip Superman apart for all the mistakes he's made. And you wouldn't be so smug at that point. I don't think or at least I wouldn't want him to be. And that's what BVS could have been about, by the way, but they wasted that too. Could have been also in the in the original. He Clark spends 12 years with his father and the fortress of solitude. It sort of left open and ambiguous as to what they actually do. But it's implied that he goes on this like like his father teaches him for 12 years after he leaves Kansas. So and this he's just sort of like, I guess I'm Superman now because he really comes a fisherman.  Okay, so Bruce would be pissed at Clark or Superman because Superman basically caused all that destruction. But no, that's not his motivation. His motivation is well, he could turn evil, not he's literally caused a ton of destruction. And then his his arc is resolved by finding out that his mother has the same name. Well, he has a mother. It's they have material to work with. They bungle Man of Steel. And so it's like, okay, we can still make this work guys, we can still make this work. Like how Civil War makes Iron Man three work. Well, Civil War makes Age of Ultron work too. This is just they didn't make it work in BVS at all. Here to help. But it has to be on my own terms. At that point, he becomes more like the comic. No, we need Sokovia Accord. We need a we need Metropolis Accords.  We like Superman. Can we just talk to you for five seconds about like how you decide? Remember? Yeah. That comes in in BVS. That's our line, right? She says like, how do you decide which lives are worth saving which aren't? It's like, oh my God, a glimpse of a point. Yeah, like remember what happened in the city? Like how you didn't lead Zod out, how you specifically kept him in the city. And then there is the town where you just like kept fighting in the town and wouldn't leave. Why didn't you lift him up into space? Like, what are you doing? Well, what's wrong with you? Like, actually, what's wrong with you? Do you hate us? Is this like you're an excuse for you to murder us? How come you never talk to us? What's going on here? No, no, no, you're just you're just nitpicking for criticizing this movie for ignoring a very obvious thing that people would be thinking in this world if if this sort of thing ever occurred. People being upset that Superman is kind of responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead people. Hey, it's just a little nitpick. Yeah, just nitpicking. Whatever it's fine. He becomes more like the comic book Superman that people expect. Not exactly like, but we'll get to that. To say that there's no character development at all is just round. Well, that's fine because we didn't say it anyway. All right, if you could have showed some of that. Oh, here we go. Oh, I would 100% agree with this one. Okay. Before whatever he says, my argument would be that he allows his dad to do all of the stuff a normal person could do instead of himself when he's stronger. And ultimately, if anything really bad was to happen, he could survive it. Second, he can save his dad. And I don't believe it's in character for him to let the dad die. He like, is dad is dad telling him stop? No, is it enough for him to be like, yeah, okay.  And be like, no. I think the important thing is that he knows with absolute certainty that he'll live if he goes. There is no risk to himself in doing this. And I don't believe for a second, the fact that he saved the children on the bus, I don't believe for a second that he's that consumed about his identity being leaked. I really don't. Yeah. And if he is at this point, then that just further shows the damage that Jonathan did, like reeked on his psyche. By the way, yeah, just like, what does this, what does Jonathan Kent's death in this movie do to affect Clark's character development exactly like this version of Clark? Whereas with most versions where Jonathan Kent just dies of a heart attack, it's, you know, it's about him realizing, okay, he can't save everyone because there are things like, you know, heart attacks that he legitimately can't save people from, you know, so it's just with this version, it's like his, his dad is insisting that he doesn't save anyone to protect his identity, which is like, so how does this bolster his character development in any way? How does this move it forward? Maybe this video will tell us because I'm lost with that one too. Yeah, they did such a great job at explaining the incredible character development. Oh, by the way, only Superman. They didn't even mention anyone else, by the way.  Everyone gets out of their cars instead of driving their cars away from the tornado. They could literally just go to the left and drive away onto the grass. Yeah, because the left lane or the half of the road, like everyone was trying to leave some place. No one was coming the other direction. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm leaving. I'm going on the other side and I'm driving away from the tornado. And then I would say the contrivance of his death being that he needs to get a dog, which I'm not against the idea of saving a dog, just the idea of the people who had the dog left it in there. And then on top of that, the car that falls on him, his car. There was like a chick. There was like a kid in there too. What? I'm talking about the last thing, the last entity that he rescues, the cost of his life as the dog. But also a car falls on him of all the places the car could fall. It hits Jonathan Kent. And then of course, Jonathan Kent giving up. He doesn't even try to escape the tornado. He just goes, no, I like herty. So it's broken. It's in tatters. So I'm curious what defense you got of this one.  Yeah. I let my father die because I trusted him. What?   Do we, do we miss that in our, in our reaction to the movie? Because I don't. We would. Oh, we might have been laughing at something else terrible about this movie. What a horrific.   I don't like Clark at these movies. I let my father die because I trusted him. Because he was convinced that I had to wait at the world was not ready. The concept of why would the world be ready now, but not then? That was the other day, basically.  It's time for Superman. Like impervious to bullets. Now I'm cool with that now. I wasn't a week ago, but now I'm okay. Yeah, a few years ago. Oh man, I would not be, not be on board with that. But I feel like we've, the world's had enough character development and now we can handle it. I'm fast realizing there's a lot of writing in Man of Steel.  And then a character just says, I did it because that's what I wanted to do.  Yeah. There's no through light. It's just that is the thing that happened. And you're like, okay, all right. Super man out a guy with godlike powers who saves the world. Superman about morality about having Morality of letting your dad die in a tornado because he said This film is not about morality. If I was going to, they were named movies about morality. Krypton existed and died. They don't get to have another try at life. That's moral. But I also won't destroy all Kryptonians because I have some weird affinity for them, even though they're all evil monsters. Didn't even have to.  And we have a conversation. Yep. Film would have improved dramatically if more people talked to each other. A conversation. As opposed to a dream sequence where you sink into a sea of skulls. I recommend against the skull sinking strategy. Okay. Just explain that to Zod. He was like, I don't follow. What do you mean? Do you see how cool your people do not find dying in seas of skulls? Imagine that thing. Clock is going through that simulation. There's another scientist in the room. It's like, oh, which one did you put him through? And he's like, the skull one. He's like, no, no. No, I didn't do that. All the ones we have. I don't even know why we have that simulation. I made that as a meme, Zod.  I was like, oh, we had the context. You imagine we used this one. It would be so embarrassing if you used this one. We had 17 different flower simulations. We even had a puppy simulation. And you gave him the one simulation that has him drowning in skulls. Crazy pitch. Zod goes like, hey, so you have two choices. One where Zod is actually a good guy and one where Zod is lying. The lying one would just be like, we're just going to live alongside humans. It'll be harmony. We will share technology. You guys will be much better for it. Trust me. Just allow this to happen. We need to extract your blood to get the codex to save Krypton. It'll be great. Your dad and I work together. And Clark will be like, hmm, I don't believe you. I don't know. Yeah. And then you can have the one where he's like, a good guy. But he has to tear off on the planet to save what remains of the Kryptonian bit. And we have to argue, oh, God. Again, every time I think about fixing it, I'm like, we need to scrap all of it and redo it. Plus you're like, you're Zod. And you have been, your life's focus is now finding Clark and you're restoring Krypton. This is your singular goal. You have all of this time and all of these other people to come up with like a plan. What are we going to say to him? How are we going to convince him?  What are we going to do? And this is what they did. You could have. It's baffling. You'd have Zod appear to be good. And he's like genuinely conflicted about having to terraform the earth. But then you have Phaeora, who is, I guess, like, you could have her be his wife. And she's like a Lady Macbeth type where she's pushing him to go like, no, no, no, this is what we have to do. Anything. Get it?  Maybe all the other Kryptonians don't know that. Maybe all the other ones are like, yeah, we're going to live with these humans and we're going to have a planet of our own. There's so much potential in all of these other versions.  If you think about it as well, like, you got the World Engine and the embryos. These are the two things that Zod wants. One to resurrect Kryptonians. And the other to resurrect Krypton. You're like, why does he need to resurrect Krypton? Because his reasoning is the Kryptonians won't grow up in pain like Clark did if they have Krypton atmosphere. He's like, fine, whatever. In any conversation that they had, Clark would have just been, oh, no, it's actually, it's fine.  They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, the kids wouldn't survive it. And it's like, no, that's not what Zod said. He said they'd be in pain like Clark. And what we saw of Clark was very easy to get. It looked like not much more trauma than the average kid goes out, but it gets when growing up in general.  He just had like a toothache, essentially. And he was a kid and he was, as a kid, he was able to handle it. And these are adult warriors and they're like, yeah, it'll hurt. Well, let's talk about the growing up the embryos, which by the way, again, assuming this is all true and the world engine gets destroyed, that means that all Zod has left is the embryos. That is his number one concern. And he says to Clark, if you destroy this ship, you destroy Krypton, which by the way, technically correct in terms of if you view Krypton as a people, which is what I said in the stream, which is actually interesting.  It would be the kind of thing which would be like, you got me. I can't terraform the place anymore. Now all I want is to make sure I can bring these fuckers to term. Okay, that's it. Yeah, the kids here, the embryos are innocent. Yeah, Zod's flip character completely. He's lost the potential to terraform the planet. So now it's just like, right, the only thing I can do now is just try and grow up the embryos. I have no interest in killing anybody, okay? Let me do it, please. Yeah, anything for this. But no, nobody acts the way they're supposed to. They're all just, I want to punch people. That's like their whole characters. That's also because they're soldiers and that's all they know how to do. Oh, right, a soldier without a role who goes nuts. No, they have no soul. So bad. For those who saves the world. Superman is about morality, about having godlike powers and choosing when to use them and for what purpose. No, it's not about that. The film is not about that. Exactly, you dad isn't one of them, all right?  The bender being god. When you're going to be. Oh, dad, yeah, but I mean, are we even going to compare the role of Futurama? You think like, oh, that's unfair because Futurama's good. It's like, it's 20 minutes and they nailed this way better than Man of Steel did. Yeah, you were doing a really good job until everyone died.   Yeah, like in Futurama, the whole idea is that bender, like his priorities are misplaced and he focuses too much on one group of people over another. They become dependent or they become despondent. And then obviously everybody kills themselves. This is a film about neglect, super neglect. Well, I guess what I'm saying is like, in Futurama, you've got this really interesting sort of commentary on like, well, I mean, if God existed, if he was too present or not present enough, then that may won't be an issue. And maybe that's worth considering in like, Man of Steel, how much should he do and how little should he do.  Like, at least do that.   Dad, like, I'm sorry, John was wrong. He was a terrible person.   Dude, he didn't want to live. He clearly didn't want to live. You know, he was probably just tired of farming.  Maybe Clark was right. I don't want to be a farmer. In Man of Steel, this guy plays out in the form of an overall theme of choice. Zarell sent his son to Earth so he could have a chance to choose his fate. Unlike the rest of Krypton. Your mother and I believed Krypton had lost him. All right. So, but Jor-El... So Jor-El didn't choose... Okay, so Zod didn't choose to rebel against the system that made him what he is. Yeah, and he didn't choose to destroy Earth. This is the thing. The film never explores the meaning of these choices. Which, by the way, is a super controversial thing for me to say for people who love this film. It's like, it doesn't get over it. It doesn't get over it.  Clark never has to make any kind of significant, important and meaningful decision. It's always obvious. And it's just, it's confusing that he ever has trouble with any of them. And then Zod is doing a lot of things, including feeling emotion and making specific choices that make me think like, it's a little bit more complicated than saying he has no choice. I just, I don't believe you. Like, well, he had to be a soldier. It's like, it seems like he's pretty chill with being a soldier. Like, not to say that that's why it works. It's just this idea that, like, look at Zod and then look at Clark, the clear differences in people who get to choose and people who don't. It's like, I don't know. Is that why? I don't know why anyone does the things that they do in this world. If Zod didn't get to choose, that's why he's a horrible monster. Like, what's Clark's excuse? Yeah, I want to, we don't know anything about why people do the things that they do. This is an issue that comes up quite a bit when you have things that are written really terribly. Well, you don't know what to blame on in universe stuff and you don't know what to blame on the fact that it's just shitly written. And Man of Steel fans are happy with explaining, so you bring up, like, why does Zod try to kill everyone in the end? Why does Zod not value the embryos more? Why does Zod try to terraform the whole planet instead of any other planet or instead of brokering peace with the humans? The answer? Well, you see, he was bred to be a soldier. That doesn't answer any of those things. Yeah, and you know those soldiers always wanting to kill. Terraform planet. In terraform planet, it's, you know, it's a... I'm sorry, but like the film... The soldiers. The film might think it answers these... This is what I mean about the whole, like, Zach started trying to generate meaningful decisions.  Compare that to, maybe you should let children drown. This is not letting them drown.  No, stop, stop. Go back. Why wouldn't you make it a harder choice? This is just a bad movie.  The Jaws of Life, right? Where it's like... Hell of a later, oh. Well, they have to bring it out to get people out of, like, horrible car accidents and stuff. I'm picturing, like, that and the Jaws of Life haven't made it there yet and they're waiting for it because nobody can lift the car and there's press and there's people everywhere and clocks there. And so is Jonathan.  And it's like, there's one guy, you know? And he might live if clock does nothing, but he will definitely live if clock does something. That, you have to, you have to balance the stakes like that.  Yeah.  Yeah, it just leaves us confused.  That's a different choice. I think that's way more interesting because clock could decide with Jonathan it's not worth it and then that guy dies and it's like, fuck. Yeah. And you have to deal with that. And that could push clock to being at the point where he's like, I'm always gonna save them every time. I can't let that happen again, that sort of thing. Yeah. That could be a really cool little arc for him. The element of choice of chance. What if a child dreamed of becoming something other than what's intended for him? Wait, do they take away your dreams? And that wouldn't even matter because if he goes to Earth and they don't go by that system, then like, he'd be in a completely different environment.  You know what I mean? Like, here on Earth we have this art of war book. It's really great. And they say stuff like, oh yeah, the best general is the one who never has to fight a battle. And things like that. I guess on Krypton it's the opposite.  There's no war happening. Let's go chuds.  You might like it. It's like, at least it's like, maybe I will. I enjoy this violence. I will play this game. I am happy. It's Earthling on Earthling, violence amuses me. Cal-El could inspire the people of Earth to be better if he chose to. They're better than him already. But he doesn't. They're also better than him already. I'm sorry. Most people are better than Clark. Yeah. Like people hate him in the next movie.  I mean, it's not bizarre that they do. Well, it's bizarre that you bring this up as a point for the movie. When the movie does basically nothing to establish that you need to like be an example for them to follow.  And then they mourn him after he dies, too. Well, this is the thing that like I'm not even using BBS at all. I'm saying that Clark's in Neptune with the amount of power he has, like he's not better than anybody on Earth on average. Oh, yeah, just in this, there's nothing inspiring about Superman in this film at all.    But because you need him to actually be like a paragon of virtue in order to be like, yeah, you can guide them to be better because honestly, most people are better than Clark. He's apathetic. Oh, definitely lives. Most people get a huge buzz out of even risking their own lives to save someone. They feel like they've done something great and that it'll mean a lot. Meanwhile, Clark, he's almost crying when he's saving people. Why'd you gotta make me go outside? Want to go home? But he doesn't force. That's the thing. Like this is the most they he talks about it here this one time and it never happens. We never see it done. They're not more specific than good. It's like, what do you what do you mean? What is it good? Remember Bridge Between Wheels? Like, is it good for me to help Zod tariff on the planet? Question mark, dad. They talk about these moral dilemmas in the film. Jor-El just says, do good. Okay. Thanks, I guess. To have the same from a different perspective. All these changes that you're going through one day, one day you're going to think of them as a blessing. And when that take. Posing for the sake of. Yes. Sure. Comes. You're going to have to make a choice.  Above all else, John. I don't even know what that means. Maybe he'll do that sometime. Stand proud in front of them or not. Like, okay. I don't know. Once a good life for his son. And if people knew what he was and what he could do, he would be an outcast from society. No, he wouldn't.  No, no, he wouldn't. That is the dumbest thing. By the way, this world already has the most famous person who ever existed. Remember Wonder Woman 84? This world already has a superhero that's beloved. So get fucked. Yeah, that's right. Shit. Oh my God. Whoops. And this guy apparently doesn't know about Wonder Woman. Well, that's that's that's probably because she keeps on breaking the cameras. A normal life taken away. When the world finds out what you can do, it's going to change everything. Our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human. Why does he even want him to have a normal life instead of an extraordinary life? But why don't you know any of this stuff? He just said that as a warning. Like if people find out who you are, it'll change our perception of what it means to be human. It's like, okay. Okay. That's fine. Like in a bad way? Yeah. Like why does he say that?  Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, it's worth all the people dying so that we don't have to have harsh questions about what it means to be human. Find, I guess.  No, it's because Jonathan wants to protect his son. It's actually really emotional and justified. It's to protect him from paparazzi. It clocks at the time. I guess. Oh, no. Everything. Parade of what they don't understand. This is also the answer to another part of the question. But they can't do anything to you. You're super random. Why does Clark's father tell you that you should have- Oh, they're done. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. Look who are done with that. They presented no evidence.  All right then. Yeah, this movie is bad.  They say stuff, and you're supposed to just kind of figure it out for yourself. Yeah. You see, humans won't understand you. It's like, you see? So Clark doesn't want to do it because he's spooked by being an outcast. Like, is that really with people dying? Movie, do you know what you're saying? And then that person's probably like, no, no, no, no. But anyway, I'm very excited because this- this one, good luck with this one video. On the bus drown.  He's only implying it. He's only implying it. He's only saying maybe you should. This is maybe. Maybe you should. Maybe you should. He's saying that it was worth considering. Yeah, rewind. Nobody ever said that Jonathan Kent wants Clark to kill all children, okay? That wasn't the criticism. That is good. He says it's- it maybe it's worth it to let all of those children die to protect your little secret.  He is a moral monster.   He's saying maybe. Because we all watch the video. He's saying maybe. I said that's 80 letters. That's better. I didn't say that the Holocaust was good. I said maybe it was good. Because it's obvious he doesn't know the answer to the question. He should know the answer to the question. He should because he's an adult human. Oh my god. They're a hard question to ask.  For some reason, Zach's not decided that this was a hard question. It's so obvious to all of us that, hey, if we have a kid that is like an alien with incredible superpowers and they end up saving a bus full of kids from drowning, but that like risks exposing their identity. I think that we all know how we'd react if you say, good job, sport. Let's go get some ice cream. I want to reward you for what you did. The funny thing to me is exactly if my superpowered son saved a busload of children, I would be like, you are a goddamn hero. You did the right thing.  Can I take you to the ball game? Wonderful. Yeah. Like I am so proud. I'm more proud of you than words can even express. If there was even a hint that that theoretical son was regretting the decision, I would want to get that out of his head immediately. I'd be like, no, no, no, no. What you've done is infinitely meaningful. You've all of those people will now go on to live lives thanks to you. Like. Yeah. You don't understand. Think of all their parents who would have been devastated. You know, think of all the horror and the tragedy that you saved the world. Like, that's what it is to be a good person. Like, dad, what if they find out my secret? It's like, then they'll find out what an amazing person you are, Clark. That's a that's a writing.  This would be the town where that bus full of kids drowned. But you prevented that. Yeah, this would have been Columbine. Yeah. They're actually trying to defend this, though. That's amazing. I know it's insane. People really want to defend this shitty movie. We all we are all on the same page. Meanwhile, in this meanwhile in video essay land, well, I was going to say we should have had a list by now, but just immoral video essayists. We have a lot of them. Protect yourself. He's saying maybe because it's obvious he doesn't know the answer to the question.  That's what I mean. That's the criticism, dude. We're criticizing the fact that he doesn't know the answer. It makes him a terrible human being.  That's another big issue. The phone thinks it's a hard choice.  But at least if you're aware of that, then I'll roll with it so long as the arc is actually well written. This is not it. This only flies if you're in like a group of friends that regularly just back each other up that this is a hard choice to make. It's just like, no, it's not. Yeah, this is what like this is child level morality. And even then I don't even I don't even know that's true. That's being really stretching there. Because kids want to most kids kind of want to be heroic, you know, they want to save the day and all that sort of thing. Sure. And I bet most people would be open about their powers anyway.  I got all these cool powers. I could save the day. I'm amazing. Look at me, everybody. I know you'll be an outcast. Right.  There's more at stake here than just our lives, Clark, or the lives of those around us. Be specific, Jonathan. Yeah. Oh, my God, Jonathan, please be specific. I agree, Jonathan. Lives are at stake. The lives that he saved. It's just amazing to me because like you could tell even the writers were struggling with this one. They're like, how are we going to justify this? It's like, well, tell him that there's just so much at stake. There's just so much. You know, what are you talking about? When you say that, what do you mean? Like what if he just go ahead? Well, just just the concept alone of like, what's the worst case scenario?  They steal him. They poke him and cut him up and discover what it is that makes him tick. Oh, my God, but at least the best for the children is safe. Like, I'll always fall back on it to me. I don't understand. And that's the worst case scenario, best case scenario.  Like, you know, you can help everyone. You're amazing potential. Yeah, you're insane. Like if there's a natural disaster, can you like help out? We'll pay you. Exactly. You're amazing. Can we study you? That it's a complicated it also isn't at this not here. It's not complicated. At this point, at Clark's current age, have they not figured out that basically nothing can penetrate his skin? Nothing can penetrate his thick skull. This is the thing. I was kind of going with all those arguments assuming the government even could capture him, but there's no reason to think that. No, not at all. There's more at stake here than just our lives, Clark, or the lives of those around us. He recognizes that it's a complicated issue, but ultimately he not here is not our future adult self. He doesn't want Clark to have to face the consequences until he's ready.  Do you know what I mean about the vagueness? Until he's ready for stuff that could happen. He gives like here's the thing that it's to Clark whatsoever. Yeah, listen, listen, you know what? You know what your job is? Dad, you know what your job is to your kid? Dad, it's this.  Dad, that's your job, dad. Fuck. This whole thematic through line of like the power and the, I don't know, the greatness of choice. Like it's always, so it's just presented so weirdly.  And I'm just like, you got to decide if you get older or not.   That'll be your decision to make one day. Just like, what are you? What? I was like, are you okay? And then you're like repairing a car.  That's a choice you'll have to these choices are all things that I was just going to do anyway. Like, why are you even? Uncasual reexamination. Maybe Clark is a lot better off because his father didn't really teach him a lot of stuff about how to be a man. Just kept telling him he's going to have to make choices. He never gave him like a foundation to work with. Like, you know what? It's always going to be worthwhile to save even one life. Like even at the cost of your identity, Clark, because life is precious.  Instead, he's like, I don't think maybe the other thing, you know, of the choice he did, just the other thing.  He does like normal people stuff.  Because for that man, he has good character or bad. He's going to change the world. Whatever happened to great, with great power comes great responsibility. Like, whatever happened, this is like the opposite of that. This is the anti that, this movie. With great power comes great choices to where the children should go out. Like what?     Spider-Man's away. The same exact sentiment. We wanted you to learn what it meant to be human first. So the one day, on the time of trial. I think you do a shitty job. You know what's funny, by the way, he says what it meant to be human. When he's cycling through the potential planets to Sound Clock 2, he's looking at the details of Earth and he's like, ah, they seem to be of relative intelligence. They've got, like a similar physiology. He'll be, and then thinking he's like, oh, he'll be at Outcast, then he's like, nah, he'll be at God.  He's just like, oh, you can go there. And then this CD is like, we wanted you to know what it's like to be human first. It's like, what do you mean?  What are you saying that? What?   I can't remember if he took the AI before or after because remember he picks it out of the little goomp, the goomp stuff.  I guess you would. You could be the bridge between two peoples. No. What does that mean, dad?  The children, Clark, killed them all. Oh my God, Jonathan Kent was right. You have to make room for the Kryptonians who will show up eventually. Kill the children. He's like, dad, are you sure I should blow up the embryo sort of area? He's like, the strong. No doubt in my mind. Do it twice. Important thing about this scene, he's reinforcing my decision to help mankind. You're doing the right thing. And I get his blessing, which is, which is a vital... There's no choice. Henry. Henry, I know you really want this to be the case. Henry, remember what just happened. But that didn't happen. You got off the platform where you were shown the skull thing and the blowing up of earth and the declaration that as much as you might get like 100 Kryptonians and maybe the start of a population, all of humanity has to be erased. It's like, oh, he's reinforcing my decision to choose them. It's like, strictly from a, you know, logistic... I should hope so? Yeah, like, I don't... This is what I mean about the movie. I don't get it. Where is the choice? Why is this meaningful? I think any child to get the blessing of their parent or their peers. And in this case, it was my parent. And it was, it's very poignant and very important to my character. When the tornado hits, John Ken recognizes that Clark is being forced into a situation where saving his father would expose him before he was even ready. How does he know he's not ready? He also forced that to happen instead of letting Clark go and collect those people. Yeah, he couldn't stop Clark if he wanted to. Clark lets it happen. So I love that sentiment. It's like, oh no, the will's not ready. What does that mean? The will's not ready. Yeah, but what does that mean? It's not ready. Yeah, like, will they be ready and like, will I be ready in a year or two? Or what do I have to learn? What do I not know yet? If you're alive, you could explain these things to me later. Oh, well. That would be helpful. Oh, my God.   So no one can see you. It's all good. His son's free choice responsibility of his origin and powers is more important to him. In fact, he makes the choices worse, though. I also don't like this notion that... Yeah, this is what I mean. It's bad in both ways, right? So on the hand of, he made the choice to let his dad die.  But then the idea that like, Jonathan took the choice away and said, no, do not save me or something. You're like, isn't that, shouldn't it be up to Clark? Why are you saying no? Isn't this like an important moment for him to decide?  I don't know in another opportunity like this is gonna arise, honestly. He holds up a yes and no sign and he's like spinning it around. Like, which one do you go choose? He's like, please save me. Please save him. Please save him. Please save him.  Why doesn't Clark use his super speed to save his father from the tornado?  Whiplash. But I mean you could... Um, hmm. So presumably he could use super speed I think people will be able to figure it out, right? Because one person would be gone, and it would clearly be him. And they would be like... Well, would they be paying close attention to like everyone around them? Yeah, I mean, it's a traumatic event. It was loud.  There was a lot of chaos. You could be like everyone white here and runs like behind them a little bit, crosses behind, you know, because they're in an overpass thing, right?  Yeah, or he could just run like faster than normal and everyone will say, wow, yeah, he was moving really fast. Like, wow, that guy could run. What if he walked up to his dad? And this is gonna be crazy. And grabs him, the tornado picks them both up as tornadoes do, and he just flies him to safety and then tells everyone, yeah, we got so lucky, it like flung us across, and we like, you know, rolled off on the grass. We just got real lucky with the tornado. Crazy. Yeah, people would have just treated it as just a miraculous survival situation. You're like, wow, that's crazy. Unlike me.  It's terrible. What's that really bad thing? Are we talking about Clark moving so quickly that everyone who's currently watching John Kent would see him blinking out of existence? Aside from taking away the important light? I mean, you don't even have to do it that way, but yeah, sure. Yeah, that would be, yes, that would be fine. Yeah. It's worthless, and we just learned from John Kent. Clark can't do that. It's not a life lesson. What is the life lesson? It's, don't save people, please. Yeah, they're all literally watching Jonathan. No one's got their eyes on Clark. You know, I don't think it's a little unlikely that no, forgive me for saying it, but no guy felt like, you know what, that guy just saved a bunch of people. I'm going to go try and get him.  I'm actually going to go try and help him. Yeah, why does this movie hate people? I guess all of them were too afraid to help him. It's like, all right then. It's a life lesson we just learned from John Kent. Clark can't do that at this point in the movie. As far as the audience knows, the only superpowers Clark has discovered at the time of the tourney. Oh, this thing, you might not even have super speed. Okay, what do you mean? But they, I don't think we have any definitive reference. But why would that be an issue? Anyway, has there ever been a point in Clark's life before this point where he's needed to get his life somewhere really quickly? Well, so I was going to say, this three counters to this. First being, he might have it.  You're arguing from thin air. Two, he can run. He can run, yeah. He can still run. The third being like all the other things we've mentioned in terms of not only how this scene was constructed, but how he could have saved him. Like it's just, this is, you're going to have to try so much harder than this. You know, our action, heat vision, and super strength. And in fact, at no point in the movie do we ever see Superman with ridiculous, except when he's flying. We do see other... Wait, so he can't run fast? Wait, since when could you fly at super speeds, you can't move at super speeds, but that doesn't... And also, we know that Superman can move super fast now, thanks to Justice League. Oh, RIP, yeah, true. Yeah. But not fast enough that nobody would notice. The Superman in this movie. That's very far. That's basically instantaneous. Yeah, and she's, by the way, this isn't a fair comparison because she's going zigzagging through people rather than one, you know, A to B. That's really far away. So that's not a good comparison. He can't run that fast. Also, that's just proof that Kryptonians can go super speed, so thanks, I guess. Yep. How does Superman... Oh, that's it. Yeah, okay. Oh, wow. Wow. How does Superman... Do you want to defend this movie or not? You ain't doing a good job. You're just reminding us of why it's terrible. Also, hey, look, we were talking about this. How does Superman's suit magically end up on the scout ship that ship's been there for 20,000 years? Man's suit, man, the scout ship. That ship has been there for 20,000 years. What you're looking at here is not a Superman suit. It's the Unatard worn by every Kryptonian. Unatard? It takes a Unatard to defend this movie. You can't say Unatard anymore. It's not PC. Also, that doesn't work because the Unatards that they wear are black and this one is blue and red. Why is this colored in this way? It's a special one. That's the thing. Why is it special? I just want to know that. All of it's weird, dude. The fact that the ship's even here. What's the deal? Why? It's so weird. The House of El on it. Since the House of El is made up of scientists, it makes sense they would be involved in Kryptonism. This is the movie of El. This is the movie of El. Space exploration expansion missions. This is the uniform of one of Super... He says it makes sense that they would be involved in space exploration because they're scientists.  All scientists are space scientists. I just... Everyone...  Everybody has a reason to be across the... They spread their civilization across hundreds of thousands of years. Only scientists got to go to space. I just like this idea. If you're not a scientist, you don't get to go to another planet. Also, I'm pretty sure that's Supergirl, by the way. Hi. Awesome. Is it? Yeah. See this?  This is the body he fights. I love how that's a nice opportunity lost for no reason at all. Yeah. I was like, why'd you do that? I was like... It was real sad. I don't know. Just no big fan of Supergirl.  Like, you don't have to... She's a mummy. Really bizarre for this. Exploration expansion missions. I thought that DC were making a Supergirl movie or was it a Batgirl movie? It's just a term for two and a half hours lying in a coffin. If they did, then people were like, wait, but this is supposed to be Supergirl, right?  Whatever. No, that was Supercissy. She's dead. I don't know. Whatever that is, not Supergirl. I need to know, because this universe is just... No, it would... No. So they have announced that they're going to make a film about Supergirl in 2018, and there's been nothing since. So I guess maybe that's... Dude, this list of DC films, I need to read it to you, because it's insane. The Amazon's Batgirl. Blackhawk. Blue Beetle. Booster Gold. Dead Shot. Booster Gold.  I don't know who that one. I don't know who Booster Gold is. He's just a guy, I guess. Dead Shot. Deathstroke. Gotham City Sirens. Green Lantern Cause, which is meant to be maybe Macquarie. Christopher Macquarie, the guy who does... Mission Impossible. Yeah, Mission Impossible. Harley Quinn versus the Joker, which was announced in 2017. And then apparently we'll commence after Birds of Prey. Well, it's been a year. So I don't know if that's happened. A Joker film. Lobo. Man of Steel sequel. New Gods. Nightwing. Plastic Man. Static Shock. Supergirl. The Trench. And Wonder Woman 3. The Trench. That's a spinoff of Aquaman based on those weird Trench monsters in the film. How's that a whole movie though? I don't know. Man of Steel 2 is not happening. We're never getting it. I don't think that Henry Cavill's ever coming back as Superman. I would put money on it. Apparently, Jeb's gun got the choice to do a Man of Steel sequel, but he wanted to do Suicide Squad. He made the right decision. Imagine a James Gunn sequel to a Zack Snyder movie. That would be so... Yeah. That would be like Thor 2 to Thor Ragnarok. It would be like unrecognizable tones. Wait, what? But it would be way better. Oh, definitely. I believe in James Gunn quite so. Yeah. I just find it fascinating. He did The Guardians movies, didn't he? Yeah, man. I'm super excited about the one which will probably be the only good DC movie. That's going to be super interesting. Honestly, even if it's a 5 out of 10, we'll be like, whoa. How did they achieve such incredible mediocrity? I'm a little more optimistic than that about The Suicide Squad. Dude, if it's fun, that's all I want. Make it fun. Let's have some fun, please. Dude, a 5 out of 10 on the consistency scale could still be fun enough and worth watching. You know what I mean? I wouldn't be surprised if it tops the rest. People say that we're like really snobs and we just nitpick everything and we have unrealistic expectations for everything. Literally, you can have an average movie that's just fun and we'll be satisfied. Hey, if they think that a DCEU movie that obtains mediocrity is an unrealistic standard, I mean, their words, not ours. It's the form of one of Superman's ancestors. And it's blue instead of black because that was probably the style back then. That's your explanation. That was probably the style back then. Let me do it more right.  Why is the suit there? How come it happens to be Kryptonians? 20,000 years ago, how was it? Kryptonian probably crash-landed there 20,000 years ago, who happened to be a member of the House of El and there was a ship suit in there and they died when they crashed and they used to have suits different colors. There you go. That explains all that. Yeah. Remember, this is really bad for many reasons. First, if this ship never crashed here, Zod would never have made it to Earth, or at least wouldn't for ages.  That is all based on him hearing two guys talking at a bar. We're talking the fundamental major elements of this film, a build. That's pretty solid cause and effect. He's just in a bar, he hears a guy. A couple of guys talking about an anomaly and then just decides to investigate it. It happens to be the thing that's perfectly fine cause and effect, Mueller. You're just nitpicking. You're just being unfair to this movie. I knew it. A thousand years ago. Okay. Lois Lane recognized Clark. She does. You know in the writer's room was like cause allegedly this video had writers too. They were trying to come up with reasons of why the suit was the way it is, where it was. And they put their heads together and God bless them, they tried. And this is what they came up with and they're like, I guess this is good enough. I'm sure they tried.  So some kind of something was done at some point. Yeah. Yeah. I was asking this next one. This is not a criticism I have. She does recognize him. I'm pretty sure that the ending shot implies that she realizes it's him. She definitely knows it's him. The real question is why doesn't Earth? Well, cause in the original, a lot of my, a lot of this has started out with in the original. But like in the original, because they look kind of the same. Part of the huge difference is because Clark Kent acts in a completely different way than Superman. He's slouched over. He's nervous. He stutters a little bit. He stumbles around in his words. He follows behind people. He's very submissive. He's very timid and shy. And he plays that so well because Christopher Reeve is a great actor in this sense. But Superman is the polar opposite that Clark Kent is. And so that helps lead and credibility to the idea plus technology at the time that it would have been, you know, reasonable that they wouldn't have put, you know, they would have been like, oh, it's just a coincidence, but they're definitely not the same person. And this is just Superman in the suit and Superman not in the suit. Yeah, with glasses on. It's like you're clearly the same person. The original. We should really watch the original. I'd like to rewatch that. I want to rewatch it too. Yeah. After seeing the VVS and MOS, I think it's called POS. But yeah, after seeing these two movies, it should, I would like to see the original. That would be pretty fun. She does. She all but winks at him. She's known he was Clark Kent the whole time. Clark! Why didn't you say that first? Also, there's no one else around at that point, right? I always worry about that. Films never seem to care. What are these arguments? She's not an argument that we would ever propose. She won't see the last sentence. She's not supposed to know that. I don't care about the comics. She's not supposed to know that. So some of the things that we questioned were shouldn't Lois figure out who he is.  Even Warner Brothers at first questioned that because that's just the way it's always been that she couldn't figure it out. And we just thought we can't do that.  Oh, God, yeah, it is. Hold on. I'm sorry.  Wow. Why didn't you use this rationale to literally every other character in these movies at literally every other plot point?  It depicted in a more realistic, relatable way.  We have to have an eye hop, so it's realistic. Yeah, we have to make it realistic.  It needs to be realistic. That's why our cape is CGI. It needs to be realistic. That's why everyone in Metropolis is like, he saved us after he destroys half the city. Or realistic, relatable way. And I say realistic in air quotes. We had to get rid of that. Yeah, this movie is good in air quotes. I agree with this one. I don't even know what their relationship is. I feel like they don't even have a relationship. Why do they like each other? What do they see in each other? Do you remember when she polarized one of my wounds? That was nice of him. Do you remember when she holds his hand and we were like, wait, what? I wish I could make a woman scream like that. They have a relationship. The only thing is, he says like, you believed in me at one point and I remember thinking to myself like, well, because she didn't want to tell you a story, but she totally still did. She leaked her story. Do you remember that? Yeah. And then he said, don't pursue the story further. Oh dude, it's so funny. I remember, because I was talking to Metta when I was like, I'd rewatched the films. He got... Lawrence Fishburne doesn't know what he's supposed to think in the scene because he's like a collection of thoughts all at once. The first thing, so everyone is like, oh my God, you don't want to go to his room. You're in trouble because of leaking the story to that. I guess some kind of website or whatever, because she wants to get the story out about the alien. Ghostfucker.net. Yeah. And he's pissed at it. So she comes in. Do you remember when he's like, you're odd leave? And she goes, okay.  I'll make the leave longer. What? Yeah, that's weird. Where is it? Yeah. So this is... I've got the notes. These are the main points of their whole conversation.  It goes... This is all from Perry's point of view, right? Lawrence Fishburne.  Second point. I'm supposed to sue you over this, according to our publishers. Third point. You shouldn't be dropping this case, though. This situation, this journalism thread. And the only reason that you would is because it wasn't getting the traction that you wanted. Right? So he hates it for doing it. He's supposed to sue here, but he's annoyed that she's dropping it. And then he says, also, it's good that you're dropping it. Right? It's like whiplash. It's good that you're dropping it because we don't want to publish stories about aliens because we might make people panic.  I'm sorry.  That's like the biggest story we'll ever have all year. And then he cranks her suspension up. The whole scene is confusing. Crank her suspension up. I don't know what his... I could hear you smile.  I don't know what his actual character is, is what I'm getting at. I don't know what he wants.  This is all very weird. I'm mad at you. I would very safely put the Superman Lois romance is one of the weakest... Oh, I wasn't talking about that. Okay, which is worse, the prequel romance or the romance here? Prequel romance is actually developed.  There's no development here. I was going to say the sheer amount of time they spend together in the prequels is better than this, right? I guess so. They go to locations that are super romantic and just hang with each other while being attractive people. That's more than what this film does. I mean, if that's not romance, I don't know. Yeah, I know, right? You hit all the barkers. I mean, Superman falls in love with a ginger despite being bullied by a ginger in his childhood. Changed that ginger's life and the ginger helped him, though. So he knows that ginger's are redeemable. Okay. His personal confirmation. This movie's deep. Yeah, I didn't want to drop that, though. This movie is the trench. We haven't even talked about Perry at all in either coverage, the Lawrence Fishpins character, and that's all I really wanted to say on him. He's not really anything, and that one scene makes me wonder what even is he as a person. The most interesting thing he ever does is when Lois is like, I need an airplane or helicopter story in BVS, and he says no. And then she says it's not to do with journalism. And then he says yes. That's the only thing that I've ever even had to think about his character for. I guess unless the fact that he's like, I'm going to let my journalist take a helicopter for personal reasons during this cataclysm, that is something to think about, I guess, in terms of just what even... Maybe that's just more of a wrench in his character. But then, of course, there's the efforts he puts into trying to save one of his workers during the apocalypse in Man of Steel. That's something. Yeah.  But anyway, convince me. Why did Lois and Clark fall in love? Quickly. Met each other. Who said they were in love? Do you mean... wait, what? I guess they never used the word.  Okay, let's take a look. Lois and Clark fall in love too quickly. They just met each other. Who said they were in love? These are two very attractive, single people who have shared a few intense experiences. Oh my God, he made my argument.  That's the argument I made as a joke for the prequels. Like... What? The... Is he... His argument is they're not in love. His argument is just they're attractive people they've kissed. Is... But then they date afterwards, so then live together. Well, no, I would just be like, oh, that's all you're claiming that was in the film? Was just two hot people saying, hey, we could kiss because we're hot. Fine. I think it was. Well, that's what I mean, dude. They clearly have an immense amount of attraction and care for one another. It's unexplained. If this is what he wants, like, fine. You win. It's incredibly meaningless, isn't it? Because that seems to be what his argument is. Also, an odd point of confusion for people who don't even know that they're not in love. I just can't believe the defense of this was, they're not in love. They just, they just want a boink, okay? They're just shallow. The best that Superman could do is Amy Adams. Why would you say that that way?  Really? He can do better. Superman can do better. I'm not sure what I feel like Amy Adams is incredibly attractive. Like, this is perplexing to me that you would say this. I mean, way better than Amy Adams. I, alright, whatever. Search your heart, you know what to be true. Well, like, give me an example. Who would you, who? Huh? I mean, in the sense that he's like an 11 out of 10. Like, sure. But I mean, Amy Adams is up there. Would you say that Amy Adams is a 10 out of 10? Um, do we get to... I feel like she's... Do we get to choose an age? If so, yes. Right. Like, in terms of... Like, I can make... Well, like, you can pick a period of time, right?   So, like, if you can pick an age, that influences probably. This is a very attractive woman here. Yeah. Like, I don't know what to tell you, right? Amy Adams is a 10 out of 10. I never said she wasn't. I never said she wasn't. Yeah, but you know, like, oh, dude, better. It's like, what do you... You say that, like, it's quite obvious. Like, you're doing... Maybe this, but that's all right. All right, then. Of course, a bit of physical effected. And since when is one kiss a relationship, what is this, kindergarten? Dude, if you want to argue that it's a meaningless relationship, I'm gonna thumb you up. You're absolutely right. Matt, these are two adults, and they're not just... They're really kissing. This is what I mean. Like, I think he agrees with the idea that there's nothing between them in this film other than they kiss. And that's awkward because it seems to me that there was something. The film wanted us to think there was something. But no. Clearly it did. Dude, even the people who were saying this film is amazing are saying there was nothing really between them. It's like, I don't know what to tell you. It's just like... I don't know how often it happens that these two just complete strangers are like, I guess we're both kind of hot. We'll just start making out all of a sudden in the middle of all this destruction. In the middle of that, yeah. Hence the question. Well, I don't know the crater that used to be Metropolis. Honestly, I think they're straw-manning the person they're responding to. Like, if I said why are they in love and he said they're not in love, they're just doing the kissing. I'd be like, okay, so why are they doing that? Because they're hot? Yeah. Like, oh. Well... So, does that make the film better or worse? I would say... I'm just glad to know that I had all the references already. You know, I was expecting him to say, like, oh, there's this scene where there's this dialogue and he explains the connection, you know, X, Y, Z, and I'd be like, oh, okay, I could judge that, but nope. There's... Yep, you got it. Kiss after the final battle is totally off-putting. Yes. Yeah, completely. Yeah, because it's just weird.  These aren't like characters. They are in an active graveyard. Yeah. Yeah, surrounded by body parts and bones. Oh, my God. He's kissing her while there are people screaming for help in that city. That's terrible.  Like, okay, fine, it's possible. No, I won't. It's possible. I'll say it's possible. I'm not gonna say it's like... It's not totally off-putting. It's just as weird as those other people. Is that true? Also, I still think it's even weird. He has super hearing. He wants to save people's lives. He can hear. He can hear all the people who are currently trapped under the rubble. That's awful. And he's like, nah, guys, you can wait, all right? Once again, Henry Cavill's Superman. It's got to do with Henry himself. God damn it, man. Place after the final battle, it takes place right after Superman returns from destroying the world end. You've got no argument. Stop. There are people dying. Stop it. People dying. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's saying that this doesn't take place after the final battle. It takes place during the final battle, basically. Oh, yeah, that's an odd defense. Imagine crawling. That's an interesting strategy you've chosen. Replay this. This after the final battle is totally off-putting. Well, this after the final battle, it takes place right after Superman returns from destroying the world engine. You walked into a horrific trap where you were forced to explain how the film was worse than it actually is. This kind of shit, we don't see it very often when you respond to an argument and you improve their argument against you. Like, oh, no. Interesting tactic. It wasn't after the battle, it was in the middle of it.  Again, 9-11. This is like, I want to say about 59-11s have happened on this day. This is 9-11 too. Just imagine saving Private Ryan, somebody shouting like, Manic!  Also, I want to correct, 9-11s happened to happening.  You've got the one person that's capable of saving everyone. They're just taking a break to kiss her. Yeah, there are people dying while this is happening. You have first responders at 9-11 that are just kissing each other in the middle. We know that that's the case, but he can hear the screams. Yeah. Terrible. All of you. Again, it's not just, like, terrible. It's also just like, this just doesn't happen. Hence, like, my earlier comment was like, okay, fine.  Filmmaking standpoint, this kiss is right where it needs to be. No. No.  Filmmaking standpoint. Where you put this is after all of the fight, an undisclosed amount of time and then a grassy field where he meets with her and they can kiss then, okay? Not here. Jesus Christ, not here. After everything has been resolved, the dust has settled and the...  Sure, that is... After a moment of... Well, I mean, we know better, right?  Oh, yeah. Like, we know that. Maybe he's still like, yeah, but should I save people to keep my identity secret even now? Of triumph. You know, they say it's all downhill after the first kiss. Jesus Christ, I didn't even know that was in the film. Oh, my God. What a weird line. We are standing in corpses.  It almost seems like a meta-line from Amy Adams here. Like... It's all downhill from Manistino. Jesus. Who says it's all downhill after the first kiss? Why are you responding to this? What is this video? You read-send it. Oh, by the way, we are only a third of the way through the block. Oh, God, no. God! He says it dressed like a chicken. It's all downhill after the first kiss. Okay. Why are you even... Oh, my God. All right. Is this just like, I know about a thing, and I need to put it in my video so everyone knows that I know about this thing? Like, dude, find even worse arguments. Do it.  Henry Cavill isn't in it. And then you go, yes, he is. Look. Oh, my God. I nailed it. He's allegedly in it. Criticism. This is nit-picking. Why'd you bring it up, then?  More picking. I don't like your nit-picking. Keep it... Keep the nit-picking to a... to a minimum. Shit. Why is it lowest lane? Pulled into the black... Ooh. Here we go. Oh, this is interesting. Ooh, yeah. Here we go. How heavy is she? Is she heavier?  Yeah. I mean, it would be slower. Like, if she was insanely super mega dense, her effect would not be as strong as being pulled in.  Like, if it... Yeah, if it was Movie Bob, he would definitely hit the ground before the black hole effect took place because of his incredible density in mass. It would be funny if it explodes. They land. Superman puts it down. She goes, oh, thank God. And he just, like, looks at her with, like, you know, like the molestressed emoji. He's just like, what are you? How did you do that? And she's like, what? And he's like, I don't... She's playing yourself, human. Are you Kryptonian, too? We'll be pulled in. As Zod explains to Cal earlier in the movie, the same technology that imprisoned Zod in the Phantom Zone is used in Kryptonian Phantom Drives for opening wormholes to get to other parts of the universe through the Phantom Zone. You haven't explained anything yet. Okay. To remind the viewers at home, what Zod says in the movie is we... No, sorry, not Zod.   He's like, yeah, it'll destroy the ships.  But, uh, you have a black hole. Please explain to me why it doesn't grab it. To retrofit the projector into our hyperdrive, the problem made a similar modification to the craft that brought you here. The black hole that's created by Jarell's plan is intended to send Zod and his crew back to the P Zone. I can't send them back. Oh my God, he's trying to do it.  He thinks that black hole's just like pick and choose. Like, oh that right over there. This is not normal. No, that's Amy Adams. She's got to fall. But this isn't, this isn't it functioning as usual.   But this, what I'm trying to get at is like, he's trying to like argue like an operational thing. Like this is not operational. They are destroying two drives to create a black hole. Yeah. This is entirely unusual for these, this is not what they were built for, is my point. I can't send them back. And evidently only affects things that have already been through the P-Zone. Such as Zod. No. His crew. That doesn't make sense because there's cause. There's cause of debris getting sucked in. Yeah. Through his ships and Superman. And apparently it pulls in bits. Really? No, you're done. You're done. Sorry. You lose.  I'm sorry, twin perfect. Yeah. And it's a, it's a black hole. Use a mountain pre-ed. I like, I like it when it all discriminates. It's like, have you been to the phantom zone? Have you been to the phantom zone? Come on in, buddy. Let me just, I want to, I've got the movie up. I've got the movie up. I'm going to just find, I just want to, I just need a screenshot of it grabbing a car. That's all I want. And then we're good. As soon as I get that, because the rubble is enough, but I want more. Give me more. It goes.  I guess I'll show it on Yeah, there's all the Kryptonians getting sucked in it's funny how they get sucked in faster than anything on their ship does even though the ship is I assume this is logic has been Flying around I guess has been to the P zone like why does why would it work that way?  Yeah, it's over by the way you can't create a sort of Like a categorization that does include Lois, but does include cars Like you like maybe maybe it only affects non-olcatic material Nope, that's what now too because they're already sucked up the people because the ship lifts people up to off the ground So he's just wrong. It clearly affects desperate. Yeah. This is shockingly. This is kind of pathetic He's own such as Zod his crew his ships and Superman and apparently it pulls Why The Phantom Zone to go through like to get to earth was it did he go through a portal or no I think he just got did he also maybe because the ship just kind of like poofs away. Is that the Phantom Zone? But I would still argue though at that point that um That means you just have to be in proximity, right? Because he's in like a shell if you will being the ship so that means you have Why would Superman even be able to escape it if that's how it works? Yeah, do you see how fast those people sucked in I guess cuz you can fly Is that how it works? You can move in the other direction so you don't die.  There's cars flying through the air. There's buildings flying through the air I want to make sure what are you talking about me sure catch the bits of rubble and junk that were hit by the black zeros? Gravity beam none of that They were hit by the blood so that's his ex. I'm sorry So if you were affected by the gravity beam now you're a legitimate target for the black hole So that's everything except Lois because apparently she wasn't hit by I wouldn't she have been in proximity of it When d