that amus and andy voice and it got ugly and why it left yeah but the thing i mean good for why it i mean the problem is is that it has to that my racism is racism is more of that nature the john stewart nature where i have done something that is hurtful and thoughtless because i think that i'm an ally i think that i'm something right i think i'm above it all or you get me i'm me and you're like no no you i mean part of the job like like i was talking about how you have to uh like there are people in front of me in line there is i can only complain about our current situation laterally like i can complain to other white women i can complain to white guys who are behind me in line but everyone in front of me in line gets to complain to me and i get to shut up and be supportive and figure out how i can be of some use because if you are a latino handicapped woman who is bisexual your fear is is more imminent than my fear and and this isn't uh i suppose we're we're this is an entertainment program so i could tell you a joke uh the uh what i say that the purpose of straight white guys is to do what traditionally straight white guys have done decent straight white men have done for thousands of years which is to get in the way of bad behavior and to clean out their addicts so they can hide people and that is the joke right but that's the joke but it's also get on it you know i am i don't want to be a white lady meat shield but i will be a white lady meat shield but i also don't think that there is a 25 year old black man who wants me to stand in front of him he just doesn't want it to have to be a thing you know the word but so but you're saying that white men have a responsibility to speak up when they see something bad happening very much so as to white women as do i i had a bad situation about two months ago where i was at the grocery store and there was a an i i pushed an 80 year old man i am not proud of it i am it's not a good thing i don't recommend doing it i didn't push him down but here's what happened i'm walking out of welf's grocery store ten o'clock on a friday night in front of me is an 80 year old white guy not homeless not crazy looking wearing like khakis a belt a polo shirt carrying a loaf of french bread he's in front of me walking out the door and he starts yelling like above like shouting at the rent a cop guy the rent a cop is a black man he is starts calling him the n word telling him he's from Haiti telling him that he screwed monkeys and that's why there are aids and uh no they see that's it i i don't mind racism i hate stupid racism the Haitians did not screw the monkeys that happened in africa exactly and i'll tell you what the the rent a cop did by the way uh the black rent a cop laughed at him because it was probably the third time it had happened that day middle-aged white lady had some outrage i'm i'm playing the part of the middle-aged white lady uh ten years ago i would have probably just gone up to the rent a cop and go hey that guy's a dick what's going on how you doing uh which i'm told later by sane people that that's still the correct activity but instead i went up to the old white guy and started yelling at him and telling him it wasn't okay and telling him it wasn't cool and he had to stop it and i was swearing and i was upset and i wanted to be captured america and get his face and he and i said you had anything to say to me and he did not because i even to an 80 year old white guy i remind him of his mother you know and so he did not and at one point he said to me this is nothing to do with you this is none of your business and i said it is everything to do with me because this is america and i'm american and he said america and i turned into a country music song and pushed him and i pushed him and i didn't push him down but i pushed him and he bumped into a cart and he was an old frail dude but he kept walking and we just kind of yelled at each other to our cars but i thought he was something that i don't know that that helped i don't know what that did but i'll what a real hero doesn't do probably is sitting her car afterwards and cry and you know it did feel good pushing the guy no it did not it did not feel good it felt like okay so man or control okay but so i again sweeping generalization i'm gonna say that a man who pushed the old man is gonna have conflicted emotions about that one part of him is gonna feel good that he pushed a man okay the other part is gonna feel bad that man i shouldn't have pushed an 80 year old man but i did but i did push a man and he backed off and didn't push back so i won that ah that doesn't go on any of that yeah i did not have any of that i did not would you have shame would you have shame if a woman pushed you and you just walked away um probably but i'm a little agro um agro i'm aggressive i am a uh i'll tell you here's another great story of well before you get there before you get to that story can you relive moments that happened 30 40 years ago and feel like man if i had bulked up if i should i should have punched him yeah you really yeah there are times when i should have stood up when i did not yes i'm talking about physically yes and does it haunt you yes i was i've been sexually abused twice in public and i did not do anything about it i just let it happen you you what i didn't do anything about it i just let it happen you were sexually abused in public in public yes and it was once on a bus when i was about 17 16 or 17 and once on venice beach when i was getting massage from an old chinese dude and that guy i tipped him i'm still gonna be i'm still gonna be i'm mad about that so sexual so improper touching yeah the chinese guy had his fingers up my vagina while he was supposed to be massaging me and i just moved my leg to get him out and then he went away then he came back and i was like okay i'm done with this and then i just paid him and tipped him and left and why i used to do i used to do and why is and why is it i have like 10 jokes i want to make because it is horrifyingly funny that's why because it's i mean because we're comics what are you gonna do david felton it's i used to do a joke about how i was gonna um that what i should have said was that's where i keep my vagina uh you're gonna have to get away from me and then somebody said you should sell a t-shirt that says that's where i keep my vagina and i said i would rather not uh i would write that or the t-shirt that says that's where i keep my vagina with an arrow going to the left like i'm with stupid and um so none of that so if you mind if i pursue this for one second sure how much does your tip him no just a tip an inch i forgot i had a question about that um all right i my mom i got upset i was gonna i had a serious question about that but then i'm getting upset okay um do you think about it a lot do you feel like you should have reported him with the no i don't i don't think about it i don't think about until recently i genuinely just thought oh well that happens to everybody what are you gonna do and you got away so you win uh and there's a whole new generation of women who are like in the moment much more present and are able to say hey jerk off that isn't okay get some help you know and uh but it isn't a salt yeah yeah well very much so right it's against the law yeah it's an assault it's not it's not okay and yet there's this little part of me i'm gonna be honest with you okay uh i'm trying to think there be if i was this is how i think some men might think there's no question that it's in the salt it's a physical assault had pressed there's no question that had you pressed charges i don't think he would have ever gone to jail no no remember the comic who attacked the waitress in minneapolis a couple years ago no the the judge said uh well you were both drunk but he had pulled his penis out shoved it in her face and said come on just suck it until she screamed and the neighbors called 911 was it on videotape it was not yeah but he admitted he admitted to doing it in the police report he said that and he also said yeah i get a little aggressive when i when i get horny and i just i told her i said well you should be you should be happy i like you you're just a waitress i'm a comic and where did this happen where did this happen rape line ever house of comedy in minneapolis i was traveling through and minneapolis is my home club it's my hometown comedy wise so i heard all the stories and then where did a year later where did he do it i think it was at her apartment there had been a party and then everybody left it he wouldn't leave it's a classic yeah it's a classic date rapey kind of scene yeah but i mean the thing is is there's so many ways that you're like well you lived and you didn't have you didn't end up having to have sex so don't don't sweat it you know stuff happens and i was raised with that attitude and that attitude is of course incorrect because it is as you said a salt it's a salt right if someone did that to my 17 year old niece i would want to kill them mm-hmm that's no it's not okay gentlemen uh i was just talking to my brother today actually and he was talking about how one time when he was talking about consent with his sons his sons were 14 and 17 and my father was like 76 at the time and my dad is a lady's man and um what does that mean he's my dress is like a woman uh no it's uh it's a numbers game it's all a cold call to him he's working he's working the numbers but my father's is is what i like about my dad is that because he's a salesman i had to stop doing about 12 minutes of material because two people too too many came up to me and said your dad kind of sounds like trope and i said no no my father is not a creep and i know that because none of my brothers are creeps uh so but my brother is talking to his and every one of my family is in sales it's my father's an aluminum siding salesman my oldest brother is an evangelist and sells the meanest jesus my next oldest brother is a print salesman my third oldest brother is a commodities broker my fourth oldest brother is an econ professor and my sister is a financial advisor and you went to and you went to madison right yeah that's what i said to you now i remember oh because i have a degree in political science right and i was rude to you eight years ago i said why are you wasting a political science degree from madison wisconsin one of the great universities in the world talking to people about comics lark larking larking yes so boy do people get mad at me for saying that's because larkers are some serious people they make their own costumes so is your dad is he is he still married he's been married three times he got married the third time to spite my stepmother which may have been laugh and laugh and laugh um and then they were divorced very quickly after but my father's 80 and this is how he hits on women this is a cold call with my dad he goes to the grocery store he goes to the frozen food aisle gets a frozen dinner walks up to a woman in her late 20s early 30s because that's his cut off and uh and he says is this enough food for a single man that's the pickup line and i have always made fun of him and he's like what i got something else to do sometimes it works does it work does it work it has worked for him yes with 20 some things my father's very charming yes and um but so my brother and and his sons who are 14 and 17s are sitting around and everything is a sales analogy every lesson in my life has a sales analogy like picking up you know picking up women that was my father's it's a cold call it's a pitch and so my brother is talking to my nephew's about consent and my brother said you know no is non-negotiable there's no reason to force the sale you can't you know you might be able to convince them yes but there's no reason to do it just let it be no and then if it's yes she'll tell you tomorrow next week she'll let you know don't worry about it and then he said the weird thing about sex is that there will be more sex in your life than you could imagine right now it'll be fine and then my dad pipes up because he has to and he says women are like street cars there'd be another one by in 20 minutes that's a line from some girls oh my god classic stealing of lines with him because i i was like what is dad orville reddenbocker there's not there's not like street cars that's a line from a song mm-hmm which song uh some girl uh uh no no it's from the album some girls what's matter man i have to go check and see where my iguana is so tell me that story uh it's from uh yeah it's from the some girls album i find women are like street cars because halfway through i want to transfer oh my god all right i can't find my lizard well there he is he's just sitting underneath the iguana uh he's uh my my grana is sitting underneath the uh i find women are like street cars because i have to pay first to get off to arrive i just writing bad jokes that's all i i wish i could if i could just impersonate bill cosby that's all i would do i would talk like bill i have a question about bill cosby for you yes bill cosby at this time is currently to my knowledge not doing stand-up comedy because he cannot get booked because 52 women have said that he raped them while they were unconscious and um i think that he's still writing because he's a comic and a sociopath oh he's a complete sociopath but he can't get up and i want to know what are you what jokes i think he's writing you my wife isn't talking to me right now i'm sleeping on the couch that is i literally once a month i think about how and i i would you know how many albums have you put out this is my uh i i did one myself in the 90s where i burned it myself and sold them when i was on the road and if anybody ever finds those they should definitely rip it quickly before it disintegrates in front of their eyes uh this is the fourth one i've put out that's a professional quality real album how long does it take you to write an album i like to do an album every two and a half to three years because i want the jokes to be done are you constantly thinking about your next album no i had around two years into doing material i'll start thinking about doing an album because i'll usually at two years be happy with about a new half hour of material and how many when you record an album how many times do you record it i usually try to record it five times and then i try to do a thursday friday saturday five five audios and then i listen to all five hours i pick the main set right the set that i like the best and then if there's jokes where i said things better on other sets if it's possible i'll get the audio engineer to sub it sub it out it's essentially some people just like to do one and done right maria does that she records it once knock yourself out listen to that album i like the idea that it's sort of like a photoshop you know situation where i don't want you to photoshop away my flaws or the aging process but i do want it to look like i look on the best possible day right so the audio should sound like you've seen me sort of hit all the right beats where is your favorite city to record an album i only record in minneapolis i was going to say minneapolis i was going to the acme common club yeah that's my home club acme yeah louis louis louis lee the guy that supports my career more than anyone and that includes me he is more supportive i would say yeah i would say louis yeah yeah he he's he's a great he's one of the he's one of the good ones he's jeff he's he's he's the only guy who ever raised my rate without me asking yeah he's the kind of guy who i was like you know i'm working too much and he said raise your prices don't worry about it you'll work less you'll make just the same amount of money wow you record you recorded all your albums there minneapolis greatest audiences you know leno said that 30 years ago about minneapolis they're great audience because the winter does that to people granted stand-up comedy club audiences because you know how we're in this political situation that we are in um i have been doing political jokes and uh there the audiences are fine like last week i was in birmingham alabama and there was a mullet in the front row just a just a goof of a dude who was kind of glaring at me and um and he is um but he enjoyed the rest of the show he did not like my political stuff and glared at me and i don't know why he was so well lit but on the whole comedy audiences come to a comedy club they don't know where uh what they're seeing and uh because they don't youtube google what comic they've come to see right which is foolishness but it makes them much more agreeable you know they show up and they don't know if they're seeing jen kirkman or nick de pollo and they just all i know is that i had some drunk kid come up to me a couple of years ago and after the show and he said man i gotta tell you this thing and i said okay before you tell me this thing think to yourself is this going to be offensive and he said he genuinely paused and he goes maybe but i gotta tell you and i said all right don't part man he said when we showed up and i saw it was a woman comic i'm like man let's not stay and uh because usually i don't like women comics but you were really funny and i said usually i don't like drunken jackasses but you're amazing and uh uh he was but the thing is is so like if they see jen kirkman or they see nick de pollo those are two enormously different stand-up comedy shows but if you're super liberal and you see nick de pollo you will laugh because nick de pollo has funny jokes she named her super loves nick de pollo right if you are super conservative and you see jen kirkman you will laugh because they're good jokes there and that's all i mean that's why i like comedy club audiences is because they're so dumb they don't youtube google somebody but when they get there they accept they accept the consequences may i ask you about that for a second by the way does anybody do a joke where you say to a redneck with a mullet you know mullet is one dropped consonant away from mulla no because i don't know what a mullet is isn't a mullet like a iranian mullet oh like an imam or something yeah yeah mullet like mullet that super obscure have you thought about writing for um uh denis miller in the 80s anyway he had a mullet yes so and you're playing generic comedy clubs in other words where they're coming yeah that's what i'm talking about yeah so i'm talking about a comedy club that happens to be underneath a pet hospital in a in a strip mall yes i was just in widow peg there are people coming to see you yes more now than ever before things are and it's because of the podcast right yeah it's because of the podcast and it's because i get to open for famous people now and i get uh four new fans every time i open for bamford or brian reagan and um and people are like oh i remember that woman and then they come and see me do a long set this has been great we have to do this i can keep going i we have to yeah i got a pack so i pray i go where you going tomorrow i'm blooming to indiana tomorrow for the weekend comedy attic the comet let's plug that by the way yeah when's this gonna go up now it's going up friday at three a.m. excellent so saturday night i'll have two shows in bloomington indiana what's the name of the club the comedy attic mm-hmm and it's a great club it's uh blooming to indiana is sort of the the college town in indiana and um i love it it's it's full of i love doing a college town like madison or an arbor or austin or portland you know they come out for you and it's interesting about the podcast i pretty much limit my stand up to manhattan just because of work and i can't go on the road that much yeah uh but i've noticed even in manhattan people recognize me from the podcast that's awesome isn't it more so than any other thing that i've done yeah it's bizarre maria bamford you brought her around to my radio show but she wouldn't do it she wouldn't do it you brought her in one night and she hung out and she sat and watched but she i couldn't get her to participate the other story is that i brought her to san francisco i was headlining i always tell the story in the show she was my opening act and i was selling tickets like never before and my ego was getting really big until i noticed that they were all there to see maria the star is born i felt like chris christopherson and she was barbra stricen well this has been too it has not been too long it's been too long since you've been here it's been too short while you've been here jackie kation will be at the comedy cellar in bloomington indiana starting tonight go see her what did i say cellar oh right instead of comedy attic let's uh go upstairs don't go down yeah you're good i'm i don't even want to get into it but i'm coming to new york you go we gotta hang out wait when you come into new york uh i'll be there for a couple of days in august or a couple of days in september where are you going i'm opening for maria in i think august and i'm doing the cinder block comedy fest in brooklyn in september and you have a new podcast with lori kill martin called the jackie and lory show right if you don't want to listen to two middle-aged white guys talking about comedy tune into the jackie lory show we're two middle-aged white ladies uh it's not exactly a step forward it's more of a lateral move jackie's brand new album is i am not the hero of the story listen to the dork forest now going into its twelfth year congratulations come back thank you you're listening to the david feldman radio program you said pathetic hump time once again for fridays with quarry i don't know it just doesn't sound as good as tuesdays with quarry i thought about whether we should is it very important for the name to always do it on tuesday because it's a good joke i think it's funnier to do it on friday and complain but it doesn't doesn't work doesn't work professor quarry brechneider is a constitutional law professor when the state speaks is his book i started it last night a couple of my listeners actually purchased it the first chapter is about the first amendment and speech so i wanted to talk to you about that i wanted to talk to you about impeachment congressional immunity and does a candidate have immunity can a candidate for office body slam a reporter get arrested and not be able to campaign but first you were in england attending a first amendment conference how was that i was terrific i was hosted by a professor at university of london university college named jeff howard and it focused on all the issues that we're talking about free speech on campus the issue of incitement and how you deal with terrorism and issues of free speech and it was really a great great series of talks and discussion with a nice turnout too it's in a weird building really interesting building at the university of london that has the i think it's the stuffed body of germy bentham who's like in the first floor was germy bentham kind of like the precursor to communism no i think he was uh sort of it was an attempt in the 19th century to rationalize politics and to kind of get bias out and to try to base politics on empirical evidence he's the first was it utilitarian utilitarian yeah and that's sort of his contribution he's kind of a founder of economics and he thought basically you should you had a simple idea you should make policy to always make more pleasure and maximize pleasure and minimize pain and and he thought you could kind of do that with an empirical formula about about pleasure did he predate marks yes yes uh well i guess they were i have to look i think they were both 19th century and i think they were contemporaries they over overlapped in their in their dates and they had his stuffed body there yes yeah it's pretty odd on the first floor university college london i don't get that i think it's you know he taught there and he's you know they always want him to be close something like that that is that is very creepy yeah great conference yeah what was the most surprising thing that you learned during the conference there was a lot there was a terrific talk on free speech in india and how censorship works through a variety of different mechanisms including rush d was banned through basically the law of tariffs and importation sam and rush d the satanic verses exactly there was a fatwa on his head yeah because he i guess insulted the ayatollah in iran correct and he was banned i think under blasphemy laws in in india but they didn't do it by just outlawing the reading the book they did it by outlawing the importation of the book kind of like the dh laurence ban in the united states i don't know about that is that how they did it as well i think so uh-huh jeff howard who i mentioned gave a terrific talk about how to rethink free speech and kind of arguing for you know england has a much more restrictive law of free speech than we do and he was pushing in that direction why it is that maybe caring about advocacy of terrorism i mean this was before the events recently happened that it might be important to outlaw certain forms of advocacy of terrorism not just not to have the strict rules protecting it that that we have in the united states under the first amendment did you hear anything that spoke to you about the virtues of censorship was there anything where you said hmm maybe i should rethink it yeah well his talk i thought was pretty profound you know his point was and there was another talk like this that the speech has an effect that the marketplace of ideas just left to work freely in the way we were talking about last time just doesn't always work and you know i i'm still a defender of our jurors prudence but recent events show the power of that kind of uh that kind of argument i think i was given pause by by that argument and others like it a lot of times i go for the national lampoon let's shock for the sake of shocking you and you know it's you know i don't mean it yeah well that's what i was saying last time we spoke is you were defending i thought it was a very good discussion but you were defending these restrictions and i just started wondering how they would work given your profession and your willingness to floor the boundaries that they could easily i mean it's just something for you to think about that they could easily be turned certainly on comedians and and that case about hustler magazine that we talked about come out a different way under a different regime and that might have a you know career consequences for you yeah i got spooked i don't want to get into specifics but i had a sleepless night last night because somebody spooked me taking one of my lines out of context literally out of context certainly is a matter of censorship i think if you put restrictions on viewpoint or on content when it comes to comedy that there is a danger that you restrict you know good stuff coming out or comedy that's meant to enlighten rather than to harm now there is another example of that that really does push the boundaries and it's this comedian in france you know who is a racist and has this sort of racist salute and it really doesn't to me from what i have seen seem defensible or charlie ebdo actually in some of those cartoons i don't think that they're defensible what what the cartoons are doing and i know that they claim to be attacking religion generally but they tend to focus on islam in a way that makes me feel like skeptical about that claim but i don't think charlie ebdo or this comedian that you know has been subject to potential hate crimes prosecutions that you know they should be imprisoned basically i think that finding something offensive certainly isn't a good way to regulate and even if it goes beyond defense that it really attacks kind of core values of the quality under law not not in order to enlighten but in order to punch down that the right way to handle it isn't imprisonment it's that we have other techniques that we have to be able to use so yeah i'm you know in this conference i defended this rule on campus too complete protection for all viewpoints but also being vigilant even about certain kinds of really bad humor you know sometimes another joke in response might be the right response or sometimes criticism or don't laugh or don't laugh yeah i know some comedians think even that goes too far they're worried about pc culture and i've heard comedians saying they don't want to perform on campus and i could see the worry that that sort of condemnation of some humor can go too far but the kind of extremists in france those two examples that i gave show that you know you sometimes even humor is doesn't get a free pass i think we've got to be critical about it too and making jokes about a person who isn't famous i'm not going i'm not asking for this was week one yeah i know but making jokes about somebody who isn't famous is unacceptable even if you take to facebook or twitter so if you start attacking somebody on facebook and twitter who isn't famous they can then come after you for is it slander if it's written if you're like about them yeah i mean we were talking one of our sessions about that case involving hustler magazine and the cartoon depicting a preacher as a drunkard even though you know he wasn't and the question of whether or not that was grounds for suing under the libel laws or libel is written so i guess facebook could be potential libel case and there's protection in lying about public figures in a way there isn't about private figures are you a public figure if you take to facebook yes you know that's like the andy warhol question right i mean now we are all famous fifteen minutes maybe fifteen minutes a week or something so i don't know the other i haven't seen that in the courts it would be a fascinating question whether or not like a somebody with a thousand friends who post once a week and has thirty likes whether or not they're a public figure now some people on facebook have five friends and zero likes so i i think they wouldn't be but that that other case might be a good one i've noticed that there are people who are tried in the court of facebook opinion that there have been some accusations criminal charges against certain people they're probably true and it's to some degree people are going to the court of facebook opinion because they feel this individual won't be prosecuted in the courts how do you very shaming shame is that what you're thinking of like cases where somebody is shamed for being a sexual harasser yeah yeah huh it's interesting i mean you don't have due process in those cases it's not criminal punishment so the war you know the rights question isn't as severe as it is there so doing that does raise due process issues but on the other hand the consequences aren't as bad i i don't know i we'd have to talk about a specific case but i can imagine in an egregious instance where there was a worry about you know the danger that somebody posts then we might tell a group of friends that you might tell your facebook friends about that person i think that might be defensible and then you can imagine the other extreme where somebody who's really innocent is uh you know libeled and their reputation is destroyed by a kind of mob mentality so these you know these questions are always in the details i think right i'm surprised we're not saying more of that a case there doesn't seem to be a case yet going to the supreme court involving facebook and twitter and libel right there have been certainly some facebook cases i'm just trying to remember what the most recent one was yeah i'd have to look but that that could be something that i could look into for a night right i mean it just seems it seems that and i i always have this who cares attitude i always say where there's smoke there's fire if you if somebody's making an accusation there's probably some truth to it you probably did something that you shouldn't have done then i always go to better a few men go to prison then right then a couple of innocent guys walk free right the flip you got that balance wrong we put that around what's the original saying it's something like better than 10 guilty men go free than one innocent goes to prison and that's why we tilt our system of justice the presumption of innocence because i always said with clarence thomas yeah better a few men have their lives destroyed so that the rest of us learn how to behave right right i mean what's interesting about the question you're raising though is it isn't that question you know i'm i think that's right you want to design a system of criminal justice in a way that really has a very strong presumption of innocence and that takes away the very real possibility that people will be prosecuted for things they didn't do but now when it comes to criticism there's a little more leeway you know and uh it's not the same as imprisonment now that isn't a free pass john steward mill worried about punishments social punishments like shaming because he thought they could have the same kind of punitive impact of social isolation that criminal punishment would but it's certainly on a scale i think less awful than having your liberty deprived and there might be more leeway for you know not not exactly that 10 to 1 formula that we think of in criminal justice there's a special election yesterday in montana right and a republican candidate greg i don't know if i'm pronouncing this right greg g and forte they say he reportedly body slammed a reporter for the guardian ben jacob's but if you listen to the audio it's probably worse than a body slam it sounded as though he was punching the reporter can you arrest a candidate for high office a sitting congressman and why is it a bad idea what did our founding fathers think about arresting congress people and candidates maybe there's an argument to the contrary but i think that's an easy case that just because you hold an office it doesn't make you immune from the law so if you violate as this by listen to the audio to it seem like a clear assault basically allegedly i guess i don't know the full facts because i wasn't there but listening to the video i'm sorry the audio and if that was if it turns out that this was just a straightforward assault the fact that he's running for office doesn't immunize him in any way and you know there's no reason why he couldn't be criminally prosecuted and the same is true even if he was a sitting congressman there are some protections there's something called the speech and debate clause that protects uh at a pretty high level what's said in parliamentary debate for instance by sitting congress people but they're not in any way immunized and neither is the president by the way from criminal law my readings of the constitution my understanding is that our founding fathers had a fear that congressman could be arrested to keep them from speaking in the well of the senate or speaking in the house on a bill are there any protections against that there are two there's something called the speech and debate clause which immunizes the speech basically of members of congress from being subject to prosecution and if they're talking on a public matter for instance and it's like the discussion we're having earlier and they make a mistake i think that does immunize them in certain instances there's also this strange which this congressman maybe had read and misinterpreted the thinking applied to him this clause of the article one section six that says the senators and representatives shall in all cases accept trees in the felony and breach of the peace be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the at the senate sessions of their respective houses and in going to and from the same but the courts my understanding had have just narrowed that clause so that it actually doesn't immunize congressman from being arrested for say assault and certainly it doesn't immunize even in the plain language a candidate for office so there is this sort of worry i think about you know political arrest and prosecution but at least in our system now the rule of law takes precedence i don't know if there's anything left from that clause but certainly it doesn't immunize a congressman from being prosecuted for a crime a political arrest could be a president arresting a senator or a congressman which you can't do as president but you do have a justice department and an fbi can the fbi arrest somebody i mean if you yeah if you commit a crime you can be arrested now i mean what were they trying to get at i guess that you know think of the crime of sedition of speaking out against the president now under our current first amendment law you have a right to criticize the president but imagine some interpretation of the first amendment that allowed congressman to be arrested for criticizing a president i mean these are all hypothetical but i wonder if that would be a way of resurrecting the the clause but you know in normal criminal prosecution where there's not a any of these issues that are not at stake not there is there is no longer and not an immunity from from prosecution this congressperson a candidate for office sorry uh you know he's out of luck i think as far as the law law is concerned worst case scenario i'm the president of the united states i have a flunky as my attorney general i have a flunky as the head of the fbi the fbi could arrest people yeah i as president can't order somebody to be arrested but i can instruct secretly the fbi to arrest somebody right i mean you know the the whole issue in the current controversy over firing the fbi director is whether or not the president was acting in an improper way to in that case impede an investigation now a president should not under any circumstance be dictating to law enforcement who to arrest or not for political reasons that's not their prerogative it's supposed to be an independent decision now you know some people have focused on whether or not the president would have been breaking the law in impeding an investigation in the sense that he could be subject to criminal prosecution and i think that's a pretty interesting issue but the question of impeachment is not that the question is whether he was doing something that really impeded him from the kind of independence that he's obligated to as a as the president of the united states so even if his action towards combi wasn't a criminal violation it could have been the kind of high crimes and misdemeanors political crime you might call it that the founders were focused on this isn't a legal issue impeachment it's one that involves a political decision about the fitness for office and how severe a violation uh took place it's a political decision not a criminal decision it's not even a constitutional decision it's a decision that the house and the senate have been authorized by the constitution to make and there's a standard high crimes and misdemeanors but no that shouldn't be understood as you know the felony or some criminal violation it's a distinct distinct thing there's a terrific article by a colleague of mine named keith wittington in the washington post that discusses this and i highly recommend it okay and this is an expert on the history of impeachment and that's his argument that i fully endorse you know we shouldn't view the oath as just mandating uh obedience to the law in a narrow sense the oath obligates a president to the role and the constitutionally delegated role of president and he's violating that role if he tells uh the fbi director to stop investigating him i turn on msnbc and it's we got him today we got him yeah he's he's gone to prison and they're gonna give him a chair and uh that's how it's being presented to us is smoking gun we got him and what you're saying this is not going to be a criminal prosecution it's going to be a negotiation it's going to be the republicans deciding whether or not he's politically viable that's the only way he's going to be thrown out of office is the republicans have to decide before the midterms whether or not he's a political liability that's all this is it's the court it's the court of public opinion i'd say it's partly that that just realistically yes there is no impeachment without the republic some republicans not all of them by the way but just a small sliver of them to stand up and say this is unacceptable but what i don't think is right and i want to make sure that my views distinct from it is the idea that it's just politics in the sense of you know we hate this guy let's get rid of him i don't think that there is an obligation of the political branches to use a principle and the principle is it's defined by this phrase high crimes and misdemeanors but what it really means is something like what the 25th amendment says unable to carry out the constitution or unwilling or you know deliberately indifferent to the requirements of the constitution now the president is not supposed to be in the business of retaliating against political opponents or in this case impeding investigations against his own wrongdoing and if he's done that and that's an F but if it turns out then they're obligated i think to use impeachment in order to defend the constitution that's how it works so the fact that it's not a trial in a court of law doesn't mean that it's just up to the political branches to do what they want they also have constitutional obligations nobody should body slam a reporter right there are laws against this however you bring in the lawyers you bring in the police you play that audio tape to us Greg Gianforte the guy running for congress in montana who did this not allegedly you listen to the audio it's obvious but if it gets into a courtroom they're gonna say this reporter provoked me he threatened me and he won't go to prison there are things that should be and there are things that are and if i'm donald trump and steve bannon jared kushner i'm gonna say just fight fight fight fight fight they're not gonna impeach me there are things trump should be doing but he doesn't have to and if he just fights yeah there's no way to get rid of them maybe you know the republican party and i hope that this comes up again has a long tradition of caring about the constitution it's not too long ago that the tea party's main thing was you know careful reading or a strict reading of the constitution and i have to believe that there are some percentage of members of the house of representatives elected by the republican party who still care about the constitution and if that's right and i'm sure it is they've got to find the strength and the courage to stand up and say if and again it's an if the president was deliberately impeding an investigation of himself by firing the fbi the director then that's an impeachable offense that's their obligation and it's not about party it's about this other thing you know to go back to the serenade massacre which keeps coming up there there were you know republicans that stood up to nixon and partly i think elliot richardson for instance cared about the constitution but he also cared about the preservation of his party and maybe that's the other thing that that will get them to vote for impeachment eventually is that the republican party cannot survive if it's just the party of donald trump it is supposed to be also like the democrats a party of constitutional principle the more i listen to you the more i realize he ain't going anywhere i wish you were right everything you're saying is right you stand for the constitution i don't think the tea party ever stood for the constitution they were astroturf they were set up by the coke brothers just to challenge obama and the and the stimulus package i do another show with a guy called dan york in new england and listeners can find the recordings of them on my website quarry brechner dot com and you know it's i think it's fascinating because a lot of his listeners were tea party people and a lot of them were tempted to vote for trump and i think a good portion did but you'll hear on those tapes you know i just try to engage them on the level of the constitution if i talk to them as a brown professor or as a democrat we're not going to get anywhere and in fact that's how the conversations often begin is with them slamming dan for having this liberal bat brown professor on but if we just talk about as you and i often do too the constitution they sometimes can be won over you know because they i think there are some percentage of people including members of the house who really care about the foundational principles and are not just a trumpist you know nationalist he does not i should say i am absolutely convinced i don't think there's a question about it that he he does not care at all or know much about the united states constitution but i know there are some members of the house who do there are some members of the house who do but not enough to stand up for what's right i just don't i know that nixon was up against a democratic house there are circumstances that were different and you know you would have to win over some percentage of republicans but his look yeah there is the kind of real politic part of and his rating his approval ratings are tanking and the lower and lower they get and especially in districts where there are congresspeople republicans who are being threatened in the next midterm by democrats i think they've got a sort of thing to themselves both from a principled perspective the ideal that i'm talking about and also from a self-preservation perspective it might be time to jump ship by the way he's threatening some of these people with going after them if they oppose them i don't see how you know you could have dignity and not stand up to even the president if he talks to you that way so we just need a sliver of them and i you know assuming again that the investigation goes the way that it that it might which is that he was impeding this investigation and and then yeah they're obligated to stand up the fbi is an independent police organization but they're part of the executive branch right they're not part of the judicial branch right the fbi director does answer to the chief executive well he answers to the attorney general who is part of the executive branch but as you saw in the instance uh earlier on when the decision remember in the travel ban case was made by the acting attorney general to not defend it that was what she wanted to do what sally eights was saying at that time is that you know she doesn't work for the president in the sense that he can direct her to legally do what she's going to do she has an independent obligation to uphold the constitution and she wasn't going to defend something that was clearly unconstitutional now in this case it's a similar sort of issue the attorney general and the fbi director have an obligation to not use law enforcement for political purposes they don't do the bidding of the president he can't direct them to do something that's illegal for instance so are there are there specific are these norms are these specific laws i think they're norms they're largely not the impeachment norm people are arguing about this there's a question about whether he obstructed justice which is a legal question and a question of prosecution and that's one question but i guess what i would say is even though that is an issue here apart from that there is a question of what i would call constitutional norms and you don't you don't direct the fbi to do your political bidding and that's impeachable if you do it's impeachable but again i'm gonna be steve bannon right and i'm telling donald trump all you have to do is stand your ground the mistake that nixon made was he released the tapes he let them listen to the tapes stand your ground and nothing will happen well i mean that you know now we're now we're gonna have a big disagreement because if he would have done that that would have been a true constitutional crisis in fact when we talked earlier about obeying judicial orders the supreme court of the united states ordered nixon to hand over those tapes and the fact that he even paused for a moment he did turn them over but at there was a question during the proceedings whether he would and that was part of the first order part of the articles of impeachment the article the argument against them that i'm sorry i should say it was part of the argument against him for impeachment that he was threatening to undermine the judiciary by threatening to disobey judicial orders if trump really refused to obey the court's outright that is up there with the most impeachable things he's done it's certainly on my view cause for impeachment and why don't we decide that the supreme court has primacy over the executive branch isn't that a separation of powers issue that was decided in margaret marbury versus madison which is about judicial oversight and uh the ultimate being the ultimate enforcers of the constitution nixon famously said when the president does it it's not illegal he was wrong president can do all sorts of unconstitutional things and it's the role of the court to stop them if he does or her and uh that's a core maybe that core idea of our constitutional system so in marbury versus madison they say that the final decision rests with the supreme court in any conflict between the three branches of government the supreme court will always win out i think that's probably putting it too strong and there is an idea that jefferson had of what's called departmentalism that the president has also a role in thinking about the constitution and an obligation to enforce it but i think that marbury although it's a very interesting case in that it is really about the the court refusing to accept more power that it was granted by congress they strike down an act of congress expanding their power which is a sort of weird use but at the same time what's famous about the case is it's clearly a statement about the court's ultimate role as the interpreter of the constitution and later cases i think make clear that when the executive does something that directly conflicts with the constitution and it's in the area like for instance judicial proceedings in the example of the tape that the the court has to be listened to and has to be deferred to so no president can defy and i don't think any president ever has defied and we could look into that a direct judicial order that's an impeachable offense and if he did that either in the travel ban case or does that in the future then that is in my mind clear grounds for impeachment right there's the famous quote from andrew jackson right who yeah he never disobeyed a judicial order he's talking about this case involving the trail of tears uh that didn't involve the federal government he's commenting on it but he's not saying that i'm going to disobey a judicial order and he's certain and to my knowledge he never disobeyed a judicial order so when bannon and all these other people sort of try to use that as an example as a precedent for what trump might have done in the travel ban case or might do going forward i think they're just wrong on on the history the court doesn't have its own police they cannot as jackson said enforce their rulings right which is why they have i guess supremacy because they're the yeah they're the moral arbiters but it's also why it's so delicate you know that's why i'm kind of this is the kind of thing that only a constitutional lawyer maybe gets really emotional about but if you think about it what is it that makes the system work the courts do not control the military they do not control the budget and the way the congress does they they're not the commander in chief the way the president does it's a it's the norms of obeying judicial orders that's what keeps the constitutional system operating and if you have some i don't know i'll try to use a more measured term some some president who doesn't know the norms who doesn't understand the constitutional system and he does something which is unprecedented which is outright defying judicial orders that actually is such a big deal it threatens the collapse of the system and it's not something that i think we can allow i'm wondering about the levers of power that the executive branch has to act at the will of 38 percent of this country who want trump to drain the swamp punch reporters and i'm listening to you and i'm thinking well it sounds like the constitution does give the president all the all the buttons he needs to push for tyranny it's there oh yeah that's what's so scary he has been pushed back but if you think of how it's by courts and it's by advisors telling him he better listen and if there are people pushing him the other direction they haven't been listened to and the reason why all this matters so much in these first few months have really been a victory for constitutional democracy is because the and the founders like people think they're paranoid about it but now we know from this example that they're not that the executive is so powerful that he or she could topple the entire system they could become like a dictator or king and in fact if you look at you know constitutional regimes around the world that sometimes happens that a so-called president becomes a dictator and that's a real risk here it has been i mean it didn't go that way the wall street journal has sort of been criticizing people for being overly paranoid about the threat of dictatorship but the the fact is that we haven't gone in anywhere close to that direction because people have used the institutions and the aclu and others have sued the president and stopped them from doing what he wanted to do and it's a big big deal you know people might be bored of the details of the travel ban case we've been talking about it at length but that is a big deal not because of the just because of the issue but because of the separation of powers and the fact that the executive has stopped the president in that area talking to you i i realize i'm not helping by saying i don't see him being impeached i don't see republicans having the fire in their belly or the moral compass to throw him out of office listening to you i truly understand that we're at a point of conflation between politics and law it's where the two things come together and unless the people stand up for the rule of law we're gonna lose it i was beautifully put and you know what you're saying i guess echoes a lot of the sort of way that we're used to talking about politics in this country that you know what are the republicans going to do it's the horse race it's prediction and that's fine you know you have to do that i don't want to be naive and that's why i did that with you but we've also got to think about the principles and in this case the stakes are so high that i think impeachment absolutely has to be on the table in order to prevent the possible slide in the direction that has not happened but that there's no reason why if this president got more popular more successful and more emboldened why he wouldn't necessarily go in that direction and the wearing down of the public will is what people like steve bannon want in other words when i say to you trump firing comey is legal there's nothing we can do about it right i mean theoretically you could just keep insisting he's the president he can do that this executive branch i do think you know i have to we all not just me have to think more about this and learn more about the facts but there is a there are statutes that prevent as criminal statutes that prevent the obstruction of justice you can't go in i mean let me give you just an extreme example that's not an issue here you can't go in to the police officer that's investigating you and say if you keep looking into my case i'm going to come after you and your family and you know do crimes to you or um that was a weird phrase do crimes to you i like that right threaten you i can't you know you can't threaten somebody who's looking at you to arrest you or to investigate you and if the president did something like that then it doesn't matter that he's the president he can't do that it's just you can't obstruct criminal investigation now did that happen here it's not clear but even if it didn't what i'm saying is we have this other concern about upholding the constitution i'm a senator i'm a congressman on the floor of the senate i say something horrible about person who isn't a public figure can i be sued it's an interesting question like in the speech and debate clause imagine you're talking about somebody in congress on the floor of the house that's not a public figure and you libel them an interesting kind of inquiry would be whether or not you get more protection for that speech than you would under the normal first amendment rules and you might i think that's a good very interesting issue because i would run for senate just for the right yeah to go after howard whitaker oh okay there's a guy named howard whitaker who i would just like to slander and libel for the rest of my life it would be worth having to be a senator i said i should say as usual it's a hypothetical question i don't know howard and i don't know that you'd even get the protection right because the speech and debate clauses i think meant to protect speech about public matters and if you were just getting up on the floor of the senate libeling somebody who's a private figure that it is an interesting case but i'm not sure that you'd get more protection than you would under the right and the president can't sue a senator for saying horrible things about him you know i didn't want to say something about this body slam case that that sort of brings us back to our first topic which is the issue of you know something is going on in this country where people are acting in a way and saying things that are so beyond the norm i mean the idea that uh somebody running for office is involved allegedly in an assault and at least even if it's not an assault in a kind of act of violence with a reporter these videos of people saying racist things in stores and anti-islamic things part of the trump era is about the specific constitutional issues that we're talking about but in the book i mean which you brought up in the beginning one of the things i'm worried about is you know in a regime that's so protected by in a nation that's so protected by the first amendment and again i love the first amendment and the free speech protection of all viewpoints it could allow for the what i call a hateful society to evolve as a matter of norms that it would protect all sorts of views that could become what could lead a society to become against the basic ideas that are also in the constitution of equality of all underlaw and i worry that not just one story but all these add up to that kind of norm erosion and you know the government has to find other ways of fighting back we don't have the ability to just outlaw racist views in this country but if we're not going to outlaw them i think we need to find other ways of of pushing back against those that norm erosion and the really frightening thing about this g in forte when he issued his denial he referred to the guardian reporter as a liberal journalist oh wow can i sue a sitting president could i do a class action suit against donald trump if i find that the republicans just aren't performing their due diligence could you and i form a class action suit against a sitting president there were ongoing lawsuits about trump university for instance and that paula jones law case makes clear that they don't stop just because somebody gets the the presidency and the president is too busy argument or the president is above the law none of those arguments have ever been rightly accepted by courts and they shouldn't be so if there is a you know we have to think about what this lawsuit was if you're asking whether we could just sue the president for being bad at his job i'm not i'm not sure about that but certainly these other real cases involving fraud for instance uh the president is not immunized as a result of his office paula jones and trump university were were civil suits that predated their presidencies right i don't think we've ever had an example of a a sitting president sued for what he did while in office isn't it kind of accepted that you can only sue a president after he leaves office you can't know and in fact there is an ongoing suit that's extremely important that we haven't mentioned i don't think on this podcast but that we should spend time talking about involving the emoluments clause and what the emoluments clause says is that the president can't benefit from foreign governments and there's a domestic component to that too and what this lawsuit is worried about is that because the president is not has not really distanced himself enough from his own assets that things like his hotel in washington which are being visited by foreign governmental dignitaries are benefiting him in a way that violates this emoluments clause and this is a really serious lawsuit brought by some of the top constitutional lawyers in the country including uh lorenz tribe and my friend's effort teach out and you know that suit we have to keep a close eye on it it certainly does concern ongoing actions by a sitting president and you know i i think they've got a really good claim there again we've learned today that you can't be cynical they want you to be cynical and you have to speak up yeah can i just say something about that david the at that point i just thought was kind of for me anyway was profound because what you were doing is so common by so many of my friends and people who are on television and who are on radio is to just sort of say you know well we can't we we can't beat them or we can't do this because the political situation is such that it's not not achievable and i think that while it's important to be realistic we also have to talk about what's constitutionally required of us and then we have to demand that the republicans and maybe a sliver of them is all we need to their duty that's what's happening in these town meetings for instance and you could see them rethinking you know their absolute support for the president of the united states and there are ways through persuasion i think to get us out of that mentality of acquiescence if trump were realistic and the republicans were realistic trump wouldn't be president right if we were if we were realistic we wouldn't be giving tax cuts to the wealthiest one percent here's a thing that that is was not realistic a year ago that a reality tv show host with no experience in government who knows absolutely nothing about the basics of our constitutional system including as i argued before i think how a bill becomes a law is going to become president of the united states it's just seems not realistic and this guy imagined that it was realistic and he pushed the boundaries and changed them for the worse so we've got to start doing that too i think and you know using our imagination talking about things that don't seem immediately possible and imagining the future in a kind of broader way the supreme court doesn't have a town hall but they do take the temperature yeah certainly on gay marriage they take the temperature had there been just this outrage to gay marriage where it was unacceptable by a vast majority of americans is it obergefeld i i can't pronounce they would have ruled differently right um i i like that phrase take the temperature i think that they're aware of politics and some decisions are informed by it but their obligation is to not be partisan certainly and to be independent but you know i don't know the healthcare case is a good example the fact that roberts voted to uphold the mandate and to leave at least the basic structure of obama care in in time i have to believe that part of that was informed by a realization that had they struck down the entire piece of legislation that there would have been a backlash that would have really threatened the court's legitimacy so yeah the court has to be realistic about the fact that it has to keep its currently pretty high level of support and that it can do things to undermine its own legitimacy well this has been amazing once again let's talk about your bike trip okay was it through normandy burgundy shabby burgundy we started in uh in uh my french is non-existent but we after the london trip i met my wife in paris and we went down to burgundy and uh we uh rented bikes there and we had an amazing experience just biking around for a few days terrific did you do digital detox i thought of you because there was there were things happening and i thought he's gonna want to fly home in our email exchange you asked me if i could put my mic in the in the saddle back and i could think about it but were you able to let go how were you yeah yeah no we just we're not really on email or any of that stuff we just what's the be honest what's the longest period you went without email four hours and it feels horrible you check yeah and it's like somebody's putting sandpaper to your insides right yeah yeah i mean i you know thankfully was not like doing it at meals or anything like there was a guy we had like this kind of amazing meal in burgundy one of these just really beautiful french meals and there was a guy in the middle of this pretty nice restaurant taking phone calls so that i didn't want to be that guy he was doing it in spanish which was kind of you know he's a spanish guy but yeah and the french allowed that it was really uncomfortable they were clearly very bothered by it but the format it was a pretty formal restaurant and i think they were trying to figure out like does the formality keep us from criticizing him does it demand that we criticize him and there are only maybe 10 people in the restaurant but but they did not say anything they let him uh he also did a thing that i both was bothered by but thought was pretty funny which is it was a former abbey the restaurant and he kept playing on his iphone publicly for the restaurant gregorian chant so that was really odd so it was rude or funny dining in france is a religion it's sacred and rightfully so sitting down and having a meal together truly is a spiritual experience that the french get the italians get uh i'm surprised that they put up with that yeah i think this guy was deliberately trying to i don't know mock this that how solemn solemn it was and yeah it started talking but he was being really nice to them at the same time too he was sort of i don't know it was like this very interesting rebellion he was he was introducing himself to everybody wasn't a mean guy but he was mocking the formality of it definitely well we learned a lot today the thing i learned i'm just going to repeat it because this has been very valuable for me and the listeners the thing we learned today is you can't be cynical in order for a rule of law to sustain it's the role of the citizenry to hold not just our lawmakers but our judges we have to hold their feet to the fire we have to make them enforce not just the laws but the norms and what's acceptable we have to speak out and say this is acceptable this isn't acceptable the proto fascists want us to throw up our hands and say hey there's nothing we can do yeah well said and uh not really but i'll take the i'll take the compliment and i appreciated that exchange you know you kind of i mean in a way that's sort of trying to resist is the cynicism and you know you saw that and i really do appreciate what you just said one of the first people i interviewed on the show was the late tom hayden and for some reason they don't teach the port year on statement hmm if you get for us to talk about at some point yeah and he said to me you know you sound really smart when you're cynical but you're not smart and they want you to think you sound smart when you're being cynical they want you to be cynical and i never forgot that and that's beautiful yeah from an important person and you know when you watch television i just really i mean i just can't believe the degree to which people are doing this horse race thing and you know over the summer when when before i knew you but what i was doing a lot of this radio show what i loved about dan york and still love about him is that he just doesn't do that he doesn't just sit there and say who's up who's down it's such a banal boring and unscientific way of talking about politics politics is about aspiration and if you turn it into this lame horse race thing i think you just miss what it what it's supposed to be about and other people have figured it out by the way donald trump realizes that it's not about what's realistic it's about what you make possible and that's why he's unfortunately doing is gotten to the position that he's gotten to right and cynicism is intellectually lazy it is yeah it's a very lame way to you'll come back next week i didn't push you away i love it okay great thank you i've been pushing i have so many people in my life i've pushed away so not me no not at all i had a sleepless night i there were a couple of jokes that i've told just for the sake of shock and i'm thinking i i need to reign it in i and i did get my wake-up call about the first amendment i've been very glib about censorship but suddenly it applied to me and i i thought hmm well as i often said you know you are in a perilous business you could offend people but it's also the case that people are not going to listen to just you know academics talking in the abstract you need people to connect and humor is in our culture the number one way that people connect and you know so it's great this combination of comedy and yeah also extreme seriousness and you know dapps about issues so i really again appreciate it and i want to thank our listeners i would have done this regardless it's heavy lifting the structure of the show is such that i i put the heavy lifting on near the end i start off light and fluffy and fun i was pleasantly surprised by the vast number of listeners who enjoy this are asking me to put it on earlier there are a lot of great listeners who yeah and i've seen it on you on facebook and twitter and thanks for listening i appreciate it yeah well thank you for doing this and as my mother 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Hey, this is Brett and this 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500 Crew Cab Short Box LT is stock number 12777Z. We're here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, you're new and used heavy duty truck headquarters. This 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500 has the 6.6 liter Duramax diesel engine. It puts out 445 horsepower. This truck has been fully safety and inspected by our service shop as a fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been checked and topped off. And this truck is 100% ready to go. It's paired up with the Allison 10 speed automatic heavy duty transmission. We're going to go all the way around in this video inside underneath, start it up and take a look under the hood in this video. Mosaic black metallic is the color and we shoot all of our videos in 4K. So if you have HD capabilities on your computer, tablet, smartphone or television, I highly recommend turning them on right now because it is your best way to check out the quality, condition, options and cleanliness of the truck before seeing it in person. And if you like the way that we do the videos here and how we do business here at Summit Automotive, consider clicking the subscribe button to our YouTube channel in the lower right hand part of the screen and then click the bell notifications and you'll get updates every time we do videos of our new and used inventory here at Summit Auto, which is each and every day. This one comes with 20 inch polished aluminum rims and it has Goodyear Wrangler Trail Runner AT tires. These are LT 275 65R 20s and they have, I'd say close to 80 to 90% of the tread left on them. Frame and underbody is in excellent shape. You can see you get those Rancho shocks part of that Z71 off road suspension package. There is the Z71 logo there. Headlight lenses are nice and clear. It does come with the LED fog lamps and that front bumper is in fantastic condition. No dents or dings on that. The grille is in very nice condition as well and you do get the true Coal Induction hood. I will show you how that works in just a little bit, but on the Duramaxes it's actually a functional hood scoop on there. New side front fender, no dents or dings on that. It does have the cab lights on top of the roof there. No dents there. Past new side rim, no scuffs or scrapes. She's just a little frosted up from being outside, but this is the polished aluminum rims. Mosaic Black Metallic, one of my favorite GM Blacks. It's got a lot of metal flake in it. Really a good looking color in the bright sunlight. As you go down this side of this 2000 and 22 Chevy Silverado 2500 crew cab short box take note of how clean the body is, how reflective, and never like that paint is. We take these HD videos so if you are far away or even if you're close by and you just cannot make the trip down but you're still interested in purchasing the vehicle you can see the truck, hear the truck, and have confidence in the vehicle that you're looking at before you even get here. So when you do get here there's absolutely no surprises and you can make a smart and informed buying decision from wherever you're at. And if this video helps you make that decision let your salesman know that you saw the video that was helpful and that Brett sent you. Now this back rim is all frosted up too. It was outside, it's kind of cold out today, but rims are in excellent shape. Back tires have just as much tread as the front tires. You do get the felt wheel liners back here, Z71 shocks, and the frame and underbody is absolutely perfect. It has all the remaining factory exhaust so it hasn't been altered in any way. And you do get the nice factory chrome step bars on this truck. You also get the side box steps there. Passing the side of the box is absolutely perfect. And coming around to the back you get the rear bumper steps, the full towing package which includes a receiver hitch 4 pin and 7 pin wiring. Rear bumper is in excellent shape, no dents or dings and the tailgate is just as clean as the rest of the truck. Has the shock down assist tailgate so it's never going to slam down on you. You do get LED bed lighting back here and the box is in a very nice clean condition. I didn't see any major dents or dings back here. Tailgate shuts nice and solidly and as you go down the driver's side just as clean as that passenger's side. No dents or dings in the box. And for full disclosure this back rim is in fantastic condition as well. Down the driver's side cab and doors all look really good. Does come with the telescopic tow mirrors. They have built in directional signals, they telescope out like so and they fold in like that.  There are no rips, there are no tears on the seats. They are in very nice shape. Power driver's seat with lumbar, factory all-weather floor mats, carpeted flooring, auto headlamps, that's for your cargo lights, that's for your fog lights, push button four-wheel drive, trailer mode, power windows, power locks, power mirrors. You get the kind of interesting almost wood grain trim there. We'll hop inside, check out the miles, radio and everything that this truck has to offer on the interior. You can see that this one has 4,247 miles. You do get a compass display. Instrument cluster is very nice and clean. Comes with the leather-wrapped heated steering wheel, cruise controls on the left, Bluetooth and information center controls on the right. There's your Allison heavy-duty 10-speed automatic transmission with the optional tap shift. And you do get the Chevy infotainment system, AM, FM and Serious XM radio capabilities on there. Down here are your heated seats and climate controls, factory exhaust brake. You can power put down that tailgate stability control, downhill assist control, factory brake control, USB, USB-C and a 12-volt power point. Back to the radio, you can actually do, I forgot to show you that it does have Apple CarPlay and Android Auto where you can project your cell phone to the screen. So while this one doesn't have the factory navigation system on it, you can project your cell phone, which may have ways or Google Maps to the screen. And then it's like you have nav right on the screen. Then you get all your different apps here as well. You can check out your camera. Vehicle does have to be on for that to work though. Get your keyless entry with remote start. You also have the power drop down tailgate on there as well. Passenger side format and seat are in excellent condition. No rips or tears on there. This truck's never been smoked in, smells very clean inside. And the headliner is in very nice condition as well. You do get on-star capabilities and map lights up there. We'll take a quick look at the back seats and then we will start it up and take a look under the hood. Back seats are just as clean as front seats. No rips, no tears back here. It does have the latch, child safety system for any child car seats you may have. Fixed glass rear window with the built-in rear defrost. Once again, those seats are in very nice condition. And you get almost a completely flat floor back here. All weather floor mats as well. You get two more USBs and another 12-volt power point back here. Child safety locks on the back doors and the bottoms of the doors all look really good on this truck. We'll start it up, take a look under the hood. Starts right up. No check engine lights or anything like that. Did want to show you the backup cam. That's working nicely. I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today. And hopefully from this HD video, you've been able to get a really good idea of the overall condition, options, and cleanliness of this truck. There's your tire loading information. There is your vehicle and trailer information. I like that Chevy puts these stickers on the vehicles. Tells you a lot of information there. And then the vins sticker right there. But I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video. And hopefully from this HD video, you've gotten a really good idea of the overall quality and condition of the truck. Got to see all the options, see those LED fog lights there. They're very nice and bright. Cab lights are working nicely. And I hope you enjoyed the video. Under the hood, we have the 6.6 liter Duramax diesel L5P engine. 445 horsepower engine maze. Very clean runs, very smooth. Once again, this truck has been fully safe and inspected by our service shop because they fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been tracked and topped off. And this truck is 100% ready to go. Saw your mission sticker there. Air comes in through the center of the hood. Comes down this tube here into the air cleaner. And that's how you get your true color induction hood there. But this truck is 100% ready to go. And I would highly recommend it from a quality and condition standpoint. I didn't see one dent or ding on it. And to see more pictures of this 2022 Chevy Silverado 2500 Crew Cab Short Box LT Z71 in Mosaic Black Metallic. You can go to that website right there, www.Summitauto.com. Full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations. All at www.Summitauto.com. If you'd like to check out more HD videos, you can go to www.youtube.com. Remember to like, subscribe, and share on this video and all the videos that you see there. Click the bell notifications. You'll get updates on the videos we do each and every day here at Summit Auto Mode. In fact, in a second, you'll see a link to subscribe to our YouTube channel on the upper left. A link to more Chevy 2500 truck videos like this one on the upper right. A link to this vehicle on our website on the lower left. And a link to one of our latest two videos on the lower right. Click those. Check us out. And we're super excited to help you with this Ultra Clean 2022 Chevy 2500 Crew Cab Short Box LT1Z71 in Mosaic Blackmontown. Thanks again for checking out the video. Remember to like, subscribe, and share.


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