All right, Dave. So we'll get started if everyone's all set. All right, we're good to go. Thanks so much. Good morning. This is the convening of Massachusetts Gaming Commission and we're holding this meeting virtually, so we will do our roll call. Good morning, Commissioner Bryant. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning, Commissioner Hill. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning, Commissioner Skinner. Good morning. And good morning, Commissioner Maynard. Good morning. All right, we'll get started. Today is public meeting number 150. It's a agenda-setting meeting and we'll get right started with our minutes. I'm going to need one second on that to pull those up. I'm actually having some difficulties pulling it up. I apologize. That's okay. Commissioner Maynard, would it be more helpful for us to continue and we'll just circle back two minutes? There's no pressure, right? Commissioner, you're all set. Okay. The old secretary would never have had these issues. Did you say, did you say old, Commissioner Hill? Did you say, was the emphasis on the old or former? Commissioner Maynard, got your back. Got your back. Okay. We'll move on then to item number three and we'll circle back to the minutes. Just on scheduling, we'll go back. Right now, Ray's has got us with our meetings through August 30th and then she also went ahead and started to look at September. Does it make sense now before we start going through our different items from the team that they want to schedule versus the September dates as well?  I know that Grace has an appointment too. I'm okay. She has them, gave them to me. So for going into September, September 7th would be the first Thursday for a public meeting. This is if we assume our two-week cadence commissioners. Then Wednesday, September 13th, agenda setting, Thursday, September 21st, public meeting and September 27th, Wednesday, agenda setting. We also wanted to note that yesterday we worked to address the category two application and apparently August 18th is right now the only date that would work for all parties. I think August 16th didn't work for IEP and I think it was going to be tricky also for our commissioners who are coming back from their conference. We are concerned and I know we had a motion yesterday in a vote that it be no later than August 18th, but I'm wondering commissioners too if we could think about if we need a second date in the event that August 18th isn't complete, then on our next public meeting perhaps we could include on that agenda a short item to just possibly extend it if we need another date and that would be for August 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 25th although I think maybe when commission may be on vacation, but I'm not sure about flexibility, but we were a little bit concerned about what everything get done on that Friday the 18th. So those are date issues. Commissioners, do you want to weigh in now? Do you want to give some time on the circle back for the category two item? I can weigh in. I think I'm the only one not available largely that week. I did have a discussion with Grace and I indicated that I will make myself available during my vacation as long as it is a carryover date and not a full day of discussion. So if we're talking about a few hours, two or three, and again I can be flexible, but I would prefer not to be available for an entire day during a vacation week. Yeah, and I fully appreciate that. Commissioner Skinner, so and I thank you for that flexibility. What we could try to do too is if we decide on a carryover date, which of those dates you'd prefer and then what hours of the day you prefer, because depending on what your vacation plan is, morning may be better, morning may not be better. So I'd love for you to think about that. But I just think Grace raised a good point that discussion, that matter could extend beyond the 18th and we don't have any dates apparently that are available otherwise in advance of August 18th. Okay, so we'll move on and circle back to that as well. So August 8th, that's our reg meeting. Carrie and Caitlin and Todd, we have an administrative update, but I think it would be brief because I think the focus is regulations, correct? Yes, good morning. So we will have 205CMR, 138, 238, 247, 248, and 257 on meeting. Carrie, could you please repeat those? Yeah, of course, 138, 238, 247, 248, and 257. Okay, and then we might have a brief administrative update from you, Todd. And then we have a standing item, but this is really a meeting dedicated to regulations. So for sports wagering, unless it's an urgent, urgent matter, we would wait till the next public meeting, Bruce. We have a couple of house rules and I believe two events, things that are on there. But there is one item that those could go on a different date, but there's an item that one of our waivers expires on 810, and it's a brief item, but they're looking for an extension. So if we could get it on that August 8th date, that'd be ideal. And then it would be reviewed before the end date. That would work. And then we would just deal with all sports wagering matters at the next full public meeting that we're going to get to shortly. Okay. I think that's the most urgent one. So one waiver. Okay. Thanks, Crystal. I'll get that to Grace. Okay. Thanks. And Carrie, you'll make sure that Grace gets all the, those red numbers. I didn't know them. She's listening, but she's taking care of another individual right now at a doctor's appointment. Understood. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Oh, Commissioner Hill, I think Grace also thought you might want, by the 8th, add a brief legislative update, or do you want to wait till the end, the regular 17th, which was your preference? Either one would be fine, actually. I think we've all been kind of updated on what's been going on. So it would be very brief. Okay. So we'll include it there just because it'll be more timely. And I think too, maybe Grace and the legal team will circulate an email so that everybody is all hearing the same thing. Okay. All right. Then we're moving right on to August 17th. Oh, in August 16th, we'll have another agenda study meeting. August 17th is our, our full public meeting. So just a little off cadence. And then we'll start with an administrative update. Todd, I don't know. Commissures, if there's anything in particular that you want to hear on an issue, any division, you know, always feel free to ask Todd to give that update. This is a very busy meeting. So it wouldn't necessarily be a full, big presentation, but always remember that you can, you know, make sure that Todd is updating us at these meetings. Okay. We'll have minutes. Ledge update is scheduled, but we'll flip that unless there's another one. We'll just keep it as a standing right now. Regulations. Karyn, Katelyn will those be all attended to the 8th? I think we might hold some space for rollover if necessary, but we'll know if we need that after the 8th. Okay. Excellent. And then sports wagering. Crystal, Bruce? Yes. The house rules and two events. And we already have the quarterly reports scheduled for that day. Right. And, Crystal, I guess that this is important for us to understand because it could be quite time-consuming. And so I wanted to speak with the commissioners about it. How many are ready to go for the 7th? They've all so far stated they're available that day. I know that, you know, that's 8. So that's a lot. Granted, they're very brief, but being this is the first round. You may want more time for questions or evaluating those reports. That's up to you. But at this point, everyone's stated they were available for you guys. So you say 8. I just want to make sure that includes the 5 untethered. There's the 4 untethered and 4 tethered. Yeah. Well, right. Because of the 2 that are not launched yet. Yep. Okay. So, I mean, if you want to split them up a particular way, I can look into that. If you were looking to move them, I just have to make sure they were available. But that's certainly something I could look into. Right now, they are, I think, so sorry. I was just going to say, if it's 20 to 30 minutes apiece, that could be lengthy. But, you know, I don't know what timelines you guys are looking at. Well, I'll tell you my immediate feelings when I heard that they might be all the same day. I did think that's quite a bit of reports for the commissioners to digest if they go 20 minutes and there are 8 of them in a row. Commissioners, we can go through the rest of the day and think about it. We could also consider if Crystal feels comfortable suggesting another date in due for 4. I'm just going to turn to you. Commissioner Skinner, you've got your microphone off. I was just going to add that I recall discussing that at the last agenda setting that that might be a possibility. And I think we actually reserved time at the meeting after the 17th for that purpose. Yeah. I think you thought you had requested whether you might move, but I never heard. And I could certainly look into who's available for that date. Although, as I look now, it might be also a very busy date. So that's up to you guys. But certainly whatever you prefer, we can look into. Okay. Can we just right now keep it on a soft hold on the 17th and let's go through the rest of the 17th and think about what's the healthy length of a meeting. Okay. And then we can roll them over. Do we have any timeframe in our bag that we need to that we need to address? No, no, this is just part of more of a process that you have done in the past as opposed to a regulatory component, just the quarterly reports. So you can review that. I do know and I don't know if he's on. I was looking. I thought that Joe had reserved his quarterly reports for the 24th and that's why we were concerned about the 24th. So I just wanted to make sure we don't. There's no issue with reviewing all of them, but then you've got theirs that time too. So. Well, I was actually thinking of a September date to maybe continue. Yeah. Okay. Then yeah, we can certainly look into once this is set, what other day I could present as options for a couple of them. Yeah. And Mary, you were going to pop in that we gave the 17th and then 24th to PPC. PPC indicated the 17th was better for them, but that they were flexible. So whatever the commission decides today is the day that I'll put forth for their quarterly reports. And then they have two other matters they need to discuss. Okay. Let's let's go through the 17th because it is a very wholesome meeting. There will be, I'm just going to skip number six for a second. Mark, I think I see Dr. Andrews. Good morning. Bonnie has at the ad hoc research item. Do you want to go over that with us first, Dr. Andrews? Oh, yes, absolutely. So we're going to be presenting potential topics for an economic ad hoc report for FY 24. And then sort of have a little discussion and a vote on which topics the commit, which topic the commissioners would like to have as the focus of that report. And we, I was going to advocate to have that as early in the agenda as possible because we were hoping to have representatives from UMass available to answer questions if there were any questions, even though it would be Mark and I who would be presenting the possible topics for that report. Okay, I'm going to, I'm hearing you on the first part. And how long do you think this will take? Approximately, I was talking to Grace about it yesterday, probably around half an hour, I would guess. Okay. And then we've got to figure out the timing because we have so many external parties. So if you could just hold on your second request, then I'll turn now to you, Director Lillios. Good morning, Loretta. This is a continuation. Good morning, Executive Session Commissioners that we started. And we do have the benefit of guests for that. So I need to know their schedule. And I think that's our priority for scheduling. So that's great. Thank you. They are all aware of the date and are generally holding the date. But they would really appreciate a specific time frame on that date. I think they'll make themselves available for whatever works for the commission. But I'm sure they're grateful that you're thinking of your schedules. So commissioners, then we have the item on the number eight on vote on the interim IEB director would be a motion and a vote. And then the process question on the Executive Director hire, I think eight might go, I'm sort of guessing very quickly, nine may be a longer discussion. If we do all eight presentations, that could hover around four hours, right? To to to an hour correct crystal. And if we're lucky a little bit under four hours, I would think it's less. I've asked them to keep their slides, which are very there's only a few. So I've asked them to keep them to 10 minutes, but I want you guys to have time to inquire. So that's why I've said 20 to 30. So I guesstimated about three to three and a half. But that is just, you know, knowing how the first round might go. And as you remember, crystal's pretty good on timing. So so three and a half hours, if we do them all, the I think we're going to have a full some discussion with the red and G. E. U. and the three casinos. Yes, commissioner, help me out. I'm going to try and help you out. I don't think we need to do them all on one day. But let's be honest, we've done the others, our casinos, we've done them separately, separate days. There's no need to do them all on one day. You guys all agree. And then maybe even the early September day, if that would work for them. I think the first one is September 7. I don't know, commissioners, how that date looks for you. But that sounds good. A little bit more reasonable. I think so. I'll just follow up with Grace to get those dates so that I can propose the right dates. But do you want to split them into two meetings or are you proposing three? What would you prefer? Two works, right? So that Crystal can get it done. How about two? What do you think? My only suggestion is if we can do it before get them in before September 7, because that's when the NFL starts. And I'd like to get an update before the NFL, because I think we're going to see two different updates, to be honest with you, after the NFL starts. So just a suggestion. So September 24th, we could maybe roll them over to that. Let's do that tentatively, Crystal, because Commissioner Hill raised a good point, but we don't really have another date unless we tack it on to the August 24th. The following one? Otherwise, we'd have to tack it on to the agenda-setting meeting. That's not when people are out. I just don't know. I'll follow up with Grace. She is actually messaging me. She said she'll get me the dates. She's listening, everyone. And I thank you for your dedication, Grace. Okay. I'm suggesting it be done before September 7, but certainly not a hard date. And if we have to roll it over after that, I just think putting so many on one meeting is just not a good thing for us. I agree. I think the first day, it would be September 7th. It would be September 7th, as opposed to any later, then. Yeah. Understood. All right. Thank you. Commissioner Brown, you all right with all that? Okay, great. I think it's not Commissioner Maynard-Shake, not his head, Commissioner Skinner. Okay. So back to the 17th. Is everybody all set with that? Then if we just minimize down to half of those reports, and then I think I'll have Grace work with you, Loretta, to see which is best for all of your parties, and then she'll work with Crystal and Bonnie on getting the time. I think what's most important is for people to know when they can expect, and we can be a little flexible, if need be. Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. I do want to remind the commission about another recurring item for whenever you can fit it in that FERC is available to do casino updates. There will be, by the 17th, there will be some updated numbers on the DOR intercepts, which is always an interesting number. So when you feel like you can add that in, that would be a short item for those updates. Right. For Madam Chair? Yeah. Just something while we're doing the 17th and the 24th, if you could consider, we do have one community that needs a commission to make a determination. They've requested to change their use of their community mitigation funds. So it needs to come before the commission for approval. It should only be maybe a five-minute discussion. It's not a complicated matter, but it is something we have to put before the commission. And Mary, did you say it would work also for the 24th or must it be? Yes. Whenever it's convenient for you, I just wanted to, you know, if you have a spare five minutes somewhere that we can have a little discussion about this, it'd be appreciated. I think what I'm going to suggest is that we hold it to the 24th. Remember, commissioners? That's fine. We've got the 18th, which will be a really long meeting. And I'm just trying to preserve not only us, but also the team members, you know, with these long meetings. So we'll do the 17th. I know PPC is being flexible somewhat. They would prefer the 17th. They are going, and I'm sure it's because they're getting tied in on the 17th for a couple of other things. But I think I'm going to yield to the 24th for them on their casino presentations. It's probably good to kind of separate them. But that makes sense just because we're trying to save time on the 17th. And I think I have an asterisk from Grace on this point. So I'm going to, I'm going to take, I'm going to listen to Grace because she's the expert on right now, thinking about timing. Okay. All right. Anything else so that the team must go on the 17th? All right. And Burke, we do want those updates. So we'll be thinking about you as we go forward. Okay, then on the 24th, administrative update. Let's think about whether you want to hear from Burke then. We'll actually sorry, Madam Chair, I'll actually be on vacation that week. So administrative update will be difficult. Okay. I'm actually way under 17th also. I'm sorry. Okay, then that's we won't be hearing from you. And if there's an any administrative update that has to come forward, Todd, I'm sure you can assign it to somebody, right? Of course. Sure. Okay. Then we'll have meeting minutes. I don't know if we'll have a legislative update. We'll just keep it in for now. Regulations. And if you want to hold that space, I presume so. Yes, we anticipate having two regulations coming back on the 24th. So we're discussing the 24th, the meeting on the 24th. Yes, I'm sorry, Commissioner Skinner. Yeah, we've gone from August 17th now to August 24. And the question will be how busy August 24th is in terms of what we add in. So far, not heavy. Sports, weight training, crystal, Madam Chair. Oh, sorry, Commissioner Skinner. I think Burke said he was away on August 17th. And so I'm wondering if we could have that casino update on August 24th, if he is available on that day? I guess I'm sorry. I think Todd said it wasn't going to be an administrative update. So I thought we were going to hold on that, Burke. But if Todd says that you can go ahead and do an administrative update on the casinos, that would work for us if there's time. My apologies. Yeah, I can do that on the 24th, if you'd like to view the casino update and present that DOR fiscal year numbers. And Todd, is that okay? That sounds great. And Burke can do the whole administrative update. I'll get him some good information. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Well, so I apologize too, because when Todd, when you said you were not available, I thought you were also speaking about August 17th. Oh, no, I apologize. I'm just at that last week of August. But otherwise, I'm available. So I don't want to go out of, I don't want folks to feel like we need to go out of order here. So we can certainly wait until Todd returns to get for Burke to give the casino update, if that's preferable. I just, I'm just interested in having one sooner rather than later. It's been a few meetings since we've heard from the gaming world. So as long as we get it in soon, I'm satisfied. From my perspective, the 24th sounds great to me. I mean, I think Burke and I are in communication all the time. And I'm sure he'll, we can get all the download on what he'll be speaking to. Yeah. And the 17th was just too busy for Burke anyway. But you're out anyway, Burke. So the 17th, Todd is out the 24th. So I thought we might move it to September, but we can absolutely go forward. I'd love to hear from Burke on the 24th. We're all set for that. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. So for sports wagering, Bruce. Yep. My guess is we will have more house rules by then. So I would like to leave that item pending. Right. And then as we think about the 24th, let's think, do we have Crystal bring in any of those reports on the 24th, the quarterly reports for the category three, or do we hold to September? Next, we have the continuation of our discussion on CMF and Mary, are you covering today for Joe? Maybe hi. Yes, I am. Okay. So do you know what Joe has in mind for that? Yeah. For when we want to come before the commission for further discussion? That's on the 24th right now. But how much time would he need, et cetera? I would say 15 minutes to half hour. It may not even be that long. It depends. I would give us a half hour. Commissures. Okay. So he'll be all set for that. Your team? Yep. Okay. I think that that's really important for the timing, too, for the rest of your schedule, if I recall. Yes, it is. Yeah. Commissures. All right. Director Lilias, the PPC has a request. Yes, that's right. That's for the opening of the new sports book chair. So Burke is working with the team there to have that ready for your presentation. The commission needs to approve that area because it's now being converted to a gaming area. There may be a related beverage license amendment that's involved in that, too. The licensing division is checking to see whether that's something that has to go before the commission or whether it's like an administrative name change of the area that the division can handle. But that team is working on that. I know the property hopes to open that area beginning of September. So, you know, all efforts are being made to on their side and on the IB side to have that ready on the 24th. Looks like we've got Andrew here, too. Andrew, do you want to add in? No, that's that's exactly correct. What the writer said in early September. I know they're looking at a soft opening, I believe September 6th, right before the end of October 2nd. There you go, Commissioner Hill. Thumbs up. Okay. And legals remind us of all the standards for that, of the expansion request. How much time will that? What do you think, Andrew, Burke, half an hour, 20 minutes, half an hour? For the presentation, I would give an hour. Okay. And am I right? Todd and legal team, there's, we have to go through the analysis on expansion here. Is it simpler in this case? This is, I think it's a simpler, you're really more amending the floor plan, which is a little bit different than amending the boundary of the gaming establishment, which is far more complicated. Okay. Thanks. Any questions on that? It's good news. All right. And then quarterly reports. Then this is Mary again. 24th, we'll have PPC and MG. I believe it's MG. Our notes, Grace's notes have on-core marrying. On-core. I'm sorry. No. Okay. And then you said MGC maybe requested a September date. Yep. Daniel's on vacation, I think. Yes. Yeah. MGM had requested that we do it in September because Daniel's on vacation for the month of August. Okay. He's back in England. All right. So you work with Grace on that September date? Yep. Okay. Any questions? So right now, two quarterly reports. It's pretty light. It's pretty light. We're going to include our update from Berg. Do you want to roll the sports wagering category three presentations into this and do two quarterly reports from the casinos and four category three reports so that they're done in advance of September? It's up to you, commissioners. If it fits, absolutely. I do like having two of them a day though. Say it again, Commissioner Hill. I do like having two on a meeting and not four. Well, it's the four category three because there's eight. Yeah. It's understood. Yeah. And then it's two casinos. So it's become six. I'm turning to the commissioners that, you know, we can, we could do two. And then another two in September, but that's a little bit more for Crystal to manage. I would prefer that. Okay. Crystal, you want to do that? She kind of shrugged her shoulder, so you okay with that? So you want two on the 24th and then the roll. Are you saying you want the two licenses? All I am moving is to the seventh. That's actually not hard to manage. I thought you were saying you want two more on the 24th and then two more on the seventh. I think we're going to do four on the 17th, right? And then four. I think four or two and two. I think Commissioner Hill just said two and two. Does that work? Or is that harder to manage for you, Crystal? I mean, it's really just going to be finding out the availability and then placing them. So it's really not difficult. I just want to make sure I'm understanding. So it would be three different dates for the reports. Yes. Okay. Perfect. I'll basically just find out their availability and tell them when they're going to fit based on that. August 17th, August 24th, and September 7th. That would be great. Okay. I'm not hearing from Eileen or Jordan, but everyone's all set with that. I'm fine with that. And Commissioner Skinner, you're all set with that? Yeah. I'm fine with that. I mentioned earlier in the meeting that I'm on vacation that week. So if, you know, eliminating or dropping down from four to two on those shortens the meeting time, I'm with it. So August 24th is part of that. Because that was a set. I'm sorry. That did escape me because it's been on our meeting schedule. Yeah. No. And I anticipated making myself available for that meeting. I had always planned to do that, which, you know, is all the more reason why, you know, I was insistent earlier not to have to be available for another full day that week for the MGA matter. We'll take that into consideration. Crystal, right? Okay. And then two quarterly reports, floor expansion. Maybe we'll do the PPC presentation. I think Commissioner Skinner, you're probably going to be particularly interested in hearing that one. So maybe you can talk with Grace about the order. If you did, you know, decide to leave the meeting earlier or whatever, what things you would really want to hear. Of course, I know you want to hear it all. So yeah, don't worry about me. I, this has been on the schedule for months. So I anticipated the meeting and it's fine. Okay. And but I'll just, I'll have you and Grace coordinate. And then also if it makes sense to start at a particular, an earlier hour, like nine or whatever. Okay. Thanks. Okay. 24. And now gender setting will be on August 30. We're now turning to matters for under review. And for matters on September 7, we know that we're going to have at least a couple category three reports. We'll turn to the under review matters unless team, there's something that needs to be heard on the 24th that we haven't heard. Okay. I love keep on a review pressure him. Yes, please. Okay. We shall Brian compliance committee. That's still under review. Okay. HMCA compliance, the update, do you enjoy pressure scanner? Keep that under review, please. Okay. We still need a vote. Apparently, Dr. light down. Oh, there you are. Good morning on that escrow. Yeah, I think Derek had gotten some information just a day or two before we had had the hearing earlier, the meeting about it and Judy was going to circle back on a couple of items as well. I'm not sure if Judy's if Judy's on if she wants to comment. Hi, Judy. Hi there. Good morning. Sorry. I am looking into a few items just in regard to municipal approval and 13 a. So I'm hoping to finalize the application. Kind of just comb out some nits and then circulate it amongst the commissioners and Dr. light on one more time and then we'll upload it to the website and have it ready for public comment. Probably prior to the August 24th meeting. This is on the escrowing. Oh, I apologize. I'm sorry. I was a few more down. Yeah. So that one, if I can be so bold to switch topics, that one I am still doing a little bit more research on the collateral approval from the secretary's office and I would like to meet with Derek to discuss it before we get back, get it back in front of the commissioners for another vote. So that can remain under review. I think it would be best for now. Okay. All right. All things racing this morning. That's okay. Thank you so much. All right. So we'll just stay tuned on that. Dr. Lightbaum keep it under review for now. Yeah. The 90 day audit. We're waiting to wrap up two more of the reports and then that will be done. Okay. So do you want to put it on for a date now? Just keep it under review. With one, I think I'm not quite sure when the total completion date is because they didn't use the licensed people to do the report. So I will know Monday when that will be done. So leave it under review to our next meeting. Thanks. Thanks, Bruce. Okay. Commissioner Maynard, the delegation authority. Director Grossman has circulated a newer version from the previous version and Dr. Lightbaum has reviewed. I'm tweaking a couple of things, but it should be ready for the earliest date that you're ready for. What do you think? September 7th? Do you want to put it on? That's fine. Does that sound good? I'm looking to make sure Dr. Lightbaum is okay with that, but I... Yeah. That sounds good. Okay. And that will join the, okay. Three reports. Okay. Dr. Lightbaum, thank you. Now, Dr. Anges. Hello. So for the economic impact reports, I think at least one of them should be ready to be presented in September. I know that at one point we had talked about having both of the reports presented in the same meeting, but I was wondering if it would be... We were talking about it and the focus of one of the reports is on all three casinos. The focus of the other report is on Encore Boston Harbor operations. So we were thinking it might be more appropriate to present them in two separate meetings versus rolling them into one presentation, if that makes sense. And I was wondering what the commissioners thought about that idea. Commissioners? Works for me. Yeah, that would be fine. Okay. Thumbs up from Commissioner Bryan and Commissioner Skinner. Great. Makes good sense. Thank you, Dr. Anges. I think the impact will be improved too. We'll be able to digest it all nicely. Thank you for your good work. Excellent. Thank you. Okay. So you'll work with Grace on the dates that will work for your schedule on those. Okay. Thanks. And for your presenters. All right. Dr. Leipzig, do we still have five requests from PPC? Yeah. Those are on hold now with Steve having his accident. So we'll leave them under review still. Thank you. Okay. And we convene them both. You need something. Bruce, I know that restriction by operator. I don't remember this. Yeah. I got a touch base with Sterl and he was working on that. So it's still under review at this point because I have to get the stuff that he had worked on from him still. Okay. So that's in transition. Got it. Thank you. And then Director Lillias, that cashless wagering PPC matter. Yeah. So I'd like to keep that under review. Our team has been working internally with the legal division on the regulatory aspect and with the IT division on the technical aspect. I understand on the legal side, there have been some challenges. I need to loop back and get the status on that. It is something that the licensee wants to move forward on, but it appears we need to do more work on it internally. So it should remain under review for now. And I'll work in the days ahead to get a firmer status on what any issues are that we need to try to resolve. Okay. And then the final item, the racing application to stop the comment, correct? That was the one that Judy spoke about earlier. So leave it under review for now. Everybody caught that before that that's what Judy was referring to. Sorry about that. I got out of order. But so yes, just to round that out, I'm doing a little bit more research on how we can beef up that section of the application in terms of final review or final approval, excuse me, for section 13A. And I would like to have that back under a meeting, perhaps August 24th, I think it would be best. Sorry, there are children in my background. So yes, I think that that would give us enough time to make those finalizations and edits circulated to commissioners for one last look and then posting it online for a couple of weeks for comment and then bringing it back before the commissioners on the 24th for finalization. Perfect. So it's not right now yet out for comment. Quite. I think I would just, I want to be sure in terms of the terminology that we use on the question. And I think I would just like to go back through 13A and some collateral law for a little bit, a little bit more. Okay. My apologies for getting that wrong. Okay. Commissioners, you're all set with that. Thanks, commissioners. Okay. Anything else for under review from the team or from the commissioners? Anything that you want to have heard or that you need action from us? I am ready with the minutes. Oh, I hadn't forgotten that, but I did see Dr. Liebbaum raise her hand so we'll get all that. Dr. Liebbaum. I wondered if we could put under review the resource development fund benefits for drivers and jockeys. We need to review that again. And the last time we did it, we put it out for public comments. So maybe we could do that in the next week or so and then put it on either the September 7th or September 21st meeting. If we put it out for public comment in advance of our meeting, I think the commissioners would probably want, I'd need to know what are we actually putting out for public comment. I don't know what the wording was the last time we did it, but we had the different stakeholders. That way, the Jockey Guild, the HBPA, the harness horseman's association, and then a few jockeys also put in comments. Those are what we got comments on. If you remember, the commission decides how much of the health and welfare benefit money from the resource development fund would go to jockeys and drivers out of the money that goes towards horseman's benefits for health and welfare. Questions or guidance for Dr. Lightman? So it sounds as though from my perspective it's really letting the public know that this is coming before the commission and they can weigh in on it, right? On what their thoughts are then we would make a decision. Then we could make a decision and still get public comment on it too, right? We could get public comment after the fact as well, right? That's right. I think in particular in Dr. Lightman, please correct me if I have this wrong. I think you'll want to hear from the horseman's organizations because the money is related to the 4% that they get. So we're going to want to know their take on it. And then of course, any stakeholders who might have an interest in those funds, we're given an opportunity to weigh in as well. So I'll leave it to you Todd and Dr. Lightman in work with Mills to when I say I only because I'm speaking that the commissioners need to join in. We'd put out and do what we've done in the past. It sounds like where we are putting a notice we're going to be addressing this as a commission. This is the issue and then they can submit their positions, right? That's right. And I believe that's what we did last year. We can try to find the exact language we used it. I thought the process worked well, but we'll take another look at it. Yeah. Let me make a decision and then it's final. No more. Okay. Dr. Lightman, does that sound good? Yes, that does. Thank you. And so ideally the date could be in September 7? Or is that too late? I think that would be good. That would give us time to, it would give the stakeholders time to send their comments in and then we would, you know, Todd and I and whoever else could review the comments so that we have time to make our recommendation, you know, to the commission as well, get our, get the packet ready and have it ready in time for the meeting. Krishna Hill, how's that sound to you? Okay. Krishna, is there any questions for Alex? All right. Anything else before we go to minutes? Okay. Trudy, thank you too for keeping track of today as well. Now we'll turn to minutes. So I learned everything I know from former Secretary Hill except where to store my motions to quickly bring them up when called upon. Madam Chair, I move that the commission approve the minutes from the July 12, 2023 agenda setting meeting that are included in the commissioner's packet subject to any necessary corrections for typographical errors and for other non-material matters. Second. Any questions or edits? Okay. Commissioner Bryant? Aye. Commissioner Hill? Aye. Commissioner Skinner? Aye. Commissioner Maynard? Aye. Yes, 5-0 and thank you, Commissioner Maynard on your first set of minutes. We appreciate it. All right. Anything else, commissioners? And anything else from the team? Okay. We need a motion to adjourn. Move to adjourn. Second. Thank you. I couldn't hear it. Thank you so much. Now, Krishna Bryant? Aye. Krishna Hill? Aye. Commissioner Skinner? Aye. Commissioner Maynard? Aye. I vote yes. 5-0 everyone. Thanks so much. Have a great day.


Hello again. I'm Deb Bryant and I am grateful to be moderating and leading the discussion in our automotive panel today. In discussing with my fellow panelists, we think it's very important, especially because of the hour of the day, that we have a more engaging panel and we would like to invite the audience to participate. OFE staff have offered to bring a mic to anyone who might have a question. So we'll do some introductions, some rounds of opening comments. But if you have a question, please participate and bring those to us. We're actually all as interested in understanding what your curiosity is and what your ideas are as speaking ourselves. So following the comments this morning about needing to give better examples for how policy, and this is a policy summit, may impact the open source ecosystem. It's actually great to have a concrete example. And certainly the automotive industry, which is well centered in Europe, can serve as a great litmus test on how open source adoption is going to provide ideas on how it's innovating, to provide a state of the source and automotive, and also to maybe make some cautionary suggestions about how innovation may be hampered by example through our discussions. So I will start my name is Deb Bryant. I'm here representing Eclipse Foundation. And my perspective from the automotive industry comes from a number of years I was working for a commercial vendor and working with automotive companies on their emerging interests and concerns and participating in open source projects. I think I have the distinction of creating the first position for a dedicated community architect who was focused solely on upstream and community source projects and standards that have affected our automotive clients. So with that I'm going to ask each of the panelists to introduce themselves and also give you a little bit of context and where their comments come from their experience. So start with Martin. Yeah, great to be on stage with you. Yeah, I'm Martin Schleicher. I'm with Continental, responsible for software strategy in brief thinking about what software defined vehicle means for products and business models going forward. I'm also a member and representing Conti in some of the consortia like Eclipse software defined vehicle that has been mentioned here today. And as an open or additional note, just last week we published and first manifest or encouraging our employees to actively contribute to open source. That's fantastic. Thanks, Nishal. Hello. First of all, thanks for this opportunity to be part of this panel. Myself, Nishal Muchikani, responsible for strategic alliances, partnerships and developing the ecosystem for automotive vertical for Red Hat. And maybe first thing that most of you would identify Red Hat as a technology company more as a predominantly open source Linux cloud. So many of you may be wondering what we are doing in automotive. And I'm very glad that we have Carr as one of the team for a specialized panel discussion today. Thank you. Hello. Thank you very much. My name is Katarina Marakke. I'm a lawyer by training wearing multiple hats. And one of my first jobs was with Creative Commons. And on a private note, I was so happy and pleased that we also have a little Creative Commons reunion here in this community. But then followed a couple of other positions. And I have the honor to participate in this panel today in my capacity as a strategic advisor to ambition, which is a full subsidiary of Mercedes-Benz. So I think we have a good starting point for constructive discussion here around the car. Thank you. So you'll notice that we have representatives from different corners of the ecosystem. We don't have a manufacturer on stage, but we have a lot of insight and perspective from a fuller ecosystem. So I'd like to start by asking each of the panelists to give their perspective on what the state of deployment and adoption needs to open source is in the automotive industry from their perspective. And remember, we're talking about a range of areas. It could be entertainment systems. It could be operating systems. It could be self-driving vehicles. So we're interested in hearing what aspects of the automotive industry and their engagement open source. So I'll start. Let's go backwards and start with Katharina. Thanks, Deb. Yeah, I think when it comes to cars and the automotive industry, I'd like to share two observations. The first one is that the automotive industry came late to the party. So at a time when many other industries were already successfully working with and on open source, the automotive world and the OEMs in particular still thought that, you know, software in general and open source in particular is not relevant for them, right? Because they were focusing on hardware. And they were doing that perfectly well. So I think it became really only relevant when they realized that, you know, software is a big chunk in the value chain. And most of the big OEMs started to, you know, focus on in-house software development. And then open source became a topic for them. So we should keep in mind that everything we do with the automotive industry comes in this bigger context of the very difficult transformation from being a pure and very successful hardware company to actually a software company. And the second observation is that also traditionally collaboration in the automotive industry was very much focused on the supplier network. And that was very much tightly knitted around specific groups of suppliers, right? I think Martin will agree on this. So collaborating with external partners or perhaps even competitors was something that, you know, the automotive industry in general is not really used to. It doesn't come naturally to them. And it's paired with a fear of competition issues, right? So there has been this history of, you know, antitrust issues and that is still a red flag in the automotive industry. Now, when we keep that in mind and we remember what Carlo Piana said early this morning, open source is not an end in itself. Yeah, it's a means to an end. It's a tool for collaboration and for collaboration on predefined terms. So I think historically this way of collaborating with others on specific predefined terms is something that is not really organically or naturally grown in this particular industry. So keeping these two observations in mind, I think the learning curve has actually been quite nice, right? And we need to keep helping pushing and transforming that industry. Thanks. Thank you. Nishal, could you reflect what you're seeing with Red Hat's customers and your engagement in the auto industry? Sure. I think on the left hand side, we have a car maker on the left hand side, supplier and Red Hat as a technology provider. Most of you wouldn't realize what are we playing a role in the automotive industry? I mean, when we look the cars, as we call today as a software-defined vehicle of today and tomorrow, is, from a technology perspective, is an IoT device in the cloud. And when we talk an IoT device, the most complex ever built IoT device, because it's a convergence of so many technologies. You have the cloud piece, you have the big data every car, spitting out petabytes of data. Then you have the various connectivity piece that connects car to the outside world, 5G, Wi-Fi and whole host of things that leads to so many cybersecurity issues. Then we have the transition to the EV world, which brings in the e-commerce, the connecting to the smart grids and a whole lot of things evolving. So when we look as a car, it's a complete ecosystem outside connecting to the various technologies. And when you look all these technologies, open source is already there. It's a fundamental building block for any cloud ecosystem. If you look at telco, the transition, what we are telling happened a decade back. It was similarly probably 15 years back, the transformation has happened in the telco world. So all around the car, open source is already prevalent. And that's where we are already a major, what do we say, central offering, providing to telco industry, to the cloud and all those things. The most important of the specialized piece of technology is what goes inside the car. This is, I would say, the final frontier because this has a specialized ecosystem. This has a specialized piece of software where we have to be functionally safe. So when we talk about the car, the piece where we are tackling is trying to bring in, how can we bring in open source technology inside the car. So when we look at the end of the day or the ultimate goal is spanning everything from inside the car, way up to the cloud, what we call as the software defined vehicle ecosystem. If it is based on open source, I think that is where the industry can expedite its development. What we talk, the typical development life cycle of a car starts four years back. So what we are looking at in the current car is probably a technology which has been developed over four years. So when we build this kind of a life cycle and how do we expedite the automotive life cycle development, I think that can happen with the open source foundation and that's exactly our focus. As we always say, make OS boring or the infrastructure boring. It's more like you take it for granted it should work and you don't have to recycle the infrastructure platform to build and that would be our goal and that's the role what Red Hat and the community with which we are working is trying to build. Thank you for making a more boring product. It sounds safe. Martin. Yeah. Adding to the statement. So technical look at a car. So modern cars have like 20 up to 100 electronic control units of different types from a powerful infotainment system to very small dedicated electronic control units, for example, for braking system. That also shows that how far spread the adoption of open sources in the vehicle wind infotainment system, especially for connectivity and infotainment functions like MP3 playback or so open source has been used for more or less 10 years and you can look up the about screen in your infotainment system, what kind of open source is included in breaking and in other safety critical systems it's not used at all currently. So we'll have to look at the different areas of the cars individually to see where open source is already being used and where it could be used more software defined vehicle. This trend in seeing the and managing the value of the car through software and the complexity of software makes it more visible that the complexity can only be handled by collaboration, as Catherine said, and come industry, manufacturer, suppliers increasingly understand they have to collaborate no single company has the capabilities, the size and the skills needed to do it by themselves. So and that mindset change is currently happening. So and actually to also give you a practical example how the automotive industry has been working, how that's being transforming. So the industry has been working together in the past. So but usually on a specification level. So one of the hobbies I have is in a consortium called navigation data standard, creating a specification for a common map data format. That means in the past, architects, specialists from car manufacturers, suppliers, map companies have been sitting together in a series of working group meetings and creating a joint specification, which is usually the super set of all possible ideas. And then once the specification is approved, companies start building the software and the tools, and then maybe two years, three years later, we see the software and then we can start developing in the car. And I think this example shows that this way of collaboration is not the way to go forward because it just takes too long and the products are the hell complicated. And that's why we need to adopt in the automotive industry the concepts like code first, which has been mentioned by Gell, just in his keynote. And then start building something and see how we can evolve and join the collaborate on that and improving and collaborating in that in that NDS association. We have changed the mode of working in like, now we have an API that's that's open available. You don't need to become a member to use it. And that's abstracting the data which can be distributed somewhere in the car in the cloud and somewhere. And these are examples that the industry is now changing. And yeah, maybe we need a little bit more software defined management to have that also understand the sea levels. But I'm happy to see that industry is now moving. Then I'll put you on the spot a little bit more. So you've done a good job of expressing the state of the evolution of software development. What is the state of collaboration in the industry? Do you have most of industry coming along recognizing that this model is important and that individual manufacturers don't want to go on their own? They're not value? Are you at a tipping point? Or are you still a strategic advocate for collaboration? What's the state and the industry is it going well? Yes. Well, I'm not sure. When we'll see you really the complete source code of a certain system function being available and an open source basis using open standards for collaboration. I think that's the area where we are now and the industry to agree on how to define and leverage open standards to enable to build on top of what others are doing and create new innovative stuff. The competitive situation that Katrina mentioned initially it's still something that the automotive industry needs to learn that sharing of knowledge is actually helping you and not you're not necessarily giving away your competitive advantage. Thank you. Appreciate that. So I don't remind the audience that we're open for questions. I cannot see the audience so be sure and raise your hand and let one of the OFE staff members know and they'll bring you a mic. All right. Well, so let's let's talk about innovation a bit. So we kind of level set on what the state is and the industry engagement. What is who would like to take the question? How is software redefining the value of an automobile? What is the shift in the value of an automobile? I can start and then I'm curious to hear also your perspectives.  So the way you innovate is also outside the traditional, you know, framework of a specific company organized by legal matters to, you know, keep straight secrets and knowledge in that company and open innovation was something that goes beyond that, right? So if we apply that to the today's state of innovation, I would say there's still work to do in the automotive industry, because as I said earlier, this way of collaborating with, you know, partners that have not been traditionally onboarded with traditional contracts and getting your developers to really be able to contribute. And I mean, I can I think this is not a secret. So ambition has released a contribution policy. So we are ready to do that. But it took a while, right? It was not easy to get that through the company to explain what it means for, you know, the own in-house developer to actually put something on GitHub. Yeah, so that is something that needs a lot of explanation and making the connection to what this means for innovation is even more difficult to explain in the traditional automotive industry. That being said, as I indicated in the beginning, I think we are at a good starting point, right? So the projects that have been mentioned hosted at the Eclipse Foundation with a code first approach, I think that is something really valuable and we are pushing hard for everyone to contribute to that. And if we meet again in one year, I was hoping that we could get some nice statistics on contributions and commits on that, right? Can you expand a bit, use the expression code first a couple of times for the audience that are not familiar? You would like to take that question. Can you repeat the question? To describe the code first? Okay, so when we look at the software defined vehicle, there are two life cycles we see. One, life cycle, which typically doesn't change during the course of the entire life cycle of the car, like the braking systems, the airbag controllers and all those kind of features. Then there is a second level of software life cycle, which is a consumer life cycle that the infotainment system, the assisted driving, the camera sensors, which changes almost, which needs a software upgradability features almost on a weekly daily basis through various software upgrades. So we need a kind of an infrastructure where you need a repeated upgradability. You need to have a software which is readily available for that to be upgraded. And that's where what we realize is to get a continuous streamed of certified software that was available in the open source world, especially when we look into the inside the vehicle kind of a constraints we have where it needs to be safety certified. We usually used to have a snapshot of a code that's available at a certain point of time, but if you need to have a vehicle constantly upgradable, that is where we are providing that open source community and where you have a code that's available for all the ecosystem to contribute and make it effectively available at any point of time. And for example, any change or line of code in a functional safety software would need a complete package of justification, documentation, everything to be available. It's not like you have a licensed version where you take a specific license and anybody can use it. And that would be the magic of the open source software where if it's available in public that can expedite a lot of this code development for the developer community. So we have about 10 minutes left in our panel and I'd like to drift into some adjacent areas that I think the automotive industry has a great skin in the game, so to speak, and that's the areas of data, open data and AI, because we it's kind of flipped to describe an automobile as a data center on wheels that's not very elegant, but there's a lot in coming up and going on. Maybe I'll start with Martin. We had a conversation about the importance of data and in the context of potential regulation I think it's good to have a public discussion. Yeah, I mean a lot of the software functions are more and more being based on AI, so simple example, traffic sign recognition, for example, speech recognition, that's AI based system. These systems need to be trained and if you think about traffic signs they may change their different and different geographies, so retraining the AI systems on a continuous basis is essential for keeping the performance of the vehicle in a good state. So access data and access to data is very important. On the one hand GDPR and the privacy and the rights of the end customer need to be protected, but also the access of data for the automotive industry must be granted. We have the EUA Data Act out there, which is taking care of some aspects. Here we as suppliers see one small issue because usually data, if the cars are sending data they are transferred to the car manufacturer's server. There's a secure connection and the car manufacturer has and gets access to the data, but we don't see adequate regulations also taking the roles of the suppliers into account also making non-discriminatory access to such data available. Our products are depending on that and we can only improve our products if we get a decent and fair access to the data. So maybe that's something also as a message to the regulators in the room here. Thank you, appreciate that. So the the safety of your product and the accuracy of your product may be based on what feedback and data you will get. Exactly, exactly. We take certain assumptions when we design the products. For example continental manufacturing brake systems, the better we understand how the data or the products are being used there and where, the better we can design our products going forward. Thank you. Katharine, do you have any insight into where you see the data concerns in such? Yeah, I think data is one of the most important aspects because the car is at some point just you know one item in the whole IoT system, right? It's connected with not only other cars and the environment but also most importantly with you know all your other personal devices. What I can share is I think five years ago I saw a presentation by someone from Tesla talking about their ADA system and their AI data set, right? So how many, how much data they have actually been able to gather and it was immense. I mean even at that time it was already clear that European car makers cannot easily or maybe can never catch up on that, right? Because they are just so far ahead of us just looking at the data. Now how did they manage just by sending the cars out on the street and doing things, right? We in Europe, I think we have a slightly different not only regulation but also awareness when it comes to data. So we, we are not as easy with just doing things and asking for permission later. I think we want to get things right from the beginning. So looking at that approach in GDPR is one example that's across all industries. I think the environment is, I wouldn't say more difficult, it's just different, right, from other jurisdictions. And coming back to the point of AI I agree that it's, it's really one of the important transformations in the future. What I'm a little bit worried about is the competitive advantage of Europe compared to other jurisdictions. At the same time, I grew up here, I'm very happy that we have this awareness and that I can opt out on many devices, especially also in the car, right? So I have the assurance that I'm not constantly monitor, I mean I'm monitored but I have the assurance that it will not be misused. So it's a, it's a two-fold issue, I would say. Thanks. Nishal, what about the perspective of IoT, AI and data? How is Red Hat thinking about that? Yeah, I think one of the unique features of the car is it spans a life cycle of 10, 15 years. And that's a generation which the consumer world couldn't comprehend. I mean if you look at phones, it's probably two years, three years. And here we are looking that the data has to be managed for 10 years. And probably it's not a problem of day one operation, it's a problem of what happens in the year number eight. Because you have millions of car on the road with different software versions and all this data has to be managed by the car maker through the entire life cycle. So we have a concept called a software factory that manages the versioning, the manages which car has what kind of data. And I think this is exactly where a completely new data modeling and data structuring will have to come by the car makers. And this would include ever evolving cybersecurity regulations because there is WP 29, the UN regulations that is evolving which is still in a very nascent phase. And if you really want to incorporate that over a period of 10 years, all the changes, your system has to be scalable and flexible to accommodate those kind of changes. And that's where I think basing a platform on open source will really help to adjust, accommodate and grow these platforms and also accommodate all the evolving changes. That's a technological problem we see from a technology industry because we provide technology for all the continents and we wouldn't do that any specifically for a region. That's why we have various partner programs called the ISV programs wherein the specialized solutions which come from the ecosystem, we certified to run on an open source technology platform and that is the kind of ecosystem how we have worked with other industries, banking, which is also a heavily regulated industry in a different sense of the world, telco and we have been able to show its works and it has been proven over decades. So automotive I think we will have to work as an ecosystem to develop that. Thank you. So we have three minutes so I'm going to divide it amongst each of you and put you on the spot. What do you each think is the we'll start with the thing that you worry about the most and the thing you're the most optimistic about? Who wants to go first now that I've just sprung a question on you want to start Katharina? So I hope to be an optimist by nature. So I think that through collaboration we will achieve a lot especially also you know on the topic of AI we need partners, partners outside the traditional supply networks. We need the code first approach not literally you know focused on software but to all other innovation mechanisms. Negatively speaking I still do see friction in terms of what regulators are trying to achieve and what the industry really needs and I think that dialogue sometimes I would say could be improved. Unfortunately I don't have any concrete. That's okay the parting thoughts. That's a party thing exactly. But I think you everyone knows what I mean. I think that dialogue is important to be improved and continued. Thanks. Thank you so much, Michelle. Yeah if you really look in last one year I think the ecosystem has collaborated. We have multiple initiatives in the industry. For example there is Sophie that is software open architecture for embedded edge there is Eclipse SDV which was earlier pointed out. There is Eliza embedded Linux for safety application. So which has all come understanding what's the industry problems. We have chip vendors car makers tier ones technology providers all coming together to develop a common framework. I think that is a very positive development because it's the first time I see the agility in the ecosystem to address such an issue. So that's a positive part from the ecosystem perspective. And we also if you look at automotive there is a lot of newcomers who have come into the ecosystem starting with Red Hat. And I think that will shape how the next generation automotive industry will evolve with fresh ideas and the new outlook of how to solve the problem. Fantastic. Thank you. Martin. Yeah on the positive side I think we're now really at a tipping point to see the way of open and open source and collaboration and automotive industry is really changing. And I would like to encourage engineers young engineers or female engineers in particular to contribute and be active. On concerns I actually wouldn't like to name three things. One is companies still are worried that speed and reacting to consumer demands and changes will compromise safety. So we need to get both done. And that's one of the topics. The openness is not in all organizations unfortunately visible across the management levels. So that's the other thing that we need to tackle and work upon. And the last thing is that open up and sharing information still is seen as a kind of giving away your crown jewels. And that's maybe also something that we need to tackle. Thank you so much. Let's thank our panelists for the session. I appreciate it. Thank you.


Texas running back Bijan Robinson one thing about him is he could be drafting a running back in the top 10 cool again bring it back people we haven't seen a running back in the top 20 since seguin with number two overall back in 2018 it's been forever I think Bijan he could be the one to change that I know the running back position is in value the way it once was but Bijan is special okay this is where if I was an April son and make some sort of Bijan mustard be some some something what he would do I'm not gonna do that I'm just gonna keep it straight with you I bet you he's making teams consider throwing out the philosophy of devaluing the running back going to the second third fourth 56 that was round about it and grab him at the top here look at the resume 2022 consensus all-american he wins the dope walker award as the nation's best running back to finish a second in the country with nearly 1900 scrimmage yards third with 20 total touchdowns I like he his combo of I would say power and shiftiness elusiveness it's really drawn comparisons to aforementioned seguin and even the great bear I don't know I can compare people to very look at what you just see there that's unbelievable and he's versatile he can catch he's a past catcher that's going to increase his value and make it easier to stomach taking him highly in the drafting hands of city on day one Thursday the big day if there was ever a running back that would sneak their way into the top 10 in this era of football it's Bijan okay he also calls him commotion little commotion doesn't hurt anybody last week he posted this picture to his IG story take a look here it shows that his flight landing in Philly I think we have it no and in his pre-draft interview with the Eagles oh here it is yeah this post is from him okay the Eagles of course hold the 10th overall pick interesting interesting what are you doing in Pennsylvania hmm just taking in the Liberty Bell buddy are you going in there to hang out with a team that just got rid of Miles Sanders and Free Agency I'm just connecting things here I'm just trying to you know make sense of that and I agree and I'm a careful smart to put that together the thought of if you're an Eagles fan the thought of him running behind that monstrosity of an offensive line people are freaking out about this and they should there's also been rumors that Jerry Jones is like you think you're leaving the state of Texas that's not happening but I don't know if he's going to last until where the Cowboys draft and that's picked 26 this year do the Cowboys try to jump the Eagles for Bijan Robinson like Philly did to them for the Dallas Goddard reversal thing that would be amazing because that is some draft a rivalry drama that I would sign up for but wherever Bijan ends up the thing about him is that he's a star the thing about him is that he's a versatile he's a special player and maybe even a first-round pick in your fantasy draft this year I'm gonna say it straight out the gates he'll probably be if he goes in the top he'll be evaluated as the top 10 running back in the fantasy game so Bijan Robinson all right we've got Maya's top five Disney princesses Ariel's not on the list


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I'm a little bit more than a month from now will be entering into the month of Nuh-ud-Da'a, so Allah. And the month of Sha'adan which is coming very soon, it is the month wherein the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam he fasted more than any other month of the year. According to one narration it says he fasted almost the entire month of Sha'adan. And when he was asked by the Samir Muza'id, Raja Allahu Anhu, why is it that I observed you fasting this month more than any other month of the year outside of Ramadan and the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that the month of Sha'adan that is the month that the people are negligent of that happens between Raja and Ramadan, the Raja of Ramadan. And that the month of Sha'adan is also a month wherein these are lifted up to be more than the worlds. So I like for my deeds to be lifted up to the heavens while I fast. The Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said something similar about Monday and Thursday. He said that during those two days, that during Mondays and Tuesdays your deeds are reviewed by the Lord of the worlds. We find a similar Hadith where the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam mentions that the deeds of the day they are lifted up before the nighttime falls. And the deeds that are done that night they are lifted up before the morning, etc. In other words, there is a daily review. There is a weekly review. There is an annual review in Sha'adan. But the Prophet also encourages us to do good things during the inviolable months. Sha'adan is still not here. It's almost here. We are in the month of Raja. This is a special month of the year. It is a month that will be clear to be special from the time that Allah is the kind that is out of here in the heavens of the earth. Raja, this month. And our scholars would encourage Muslims to do as much good as they could. One particular scholar says that Raja is the month where we plant good deeds. And the month of Sha'adan is the month wherein those deeds are watered. So you sort of prepare them to crops. It's like planting crops during this month in the month of Sha'adan, we water the crops. And then in the month of Ramadan, we harvest them. In other words, you can get yourself into things that are good. You start early. You get an early start so that once the time comes when it truly matters, you get the ultimate reward. Allah SWT says about the Do not wrong yourself during those months. Some say during all the months, but especially during the four months. Now, Raja is also special historically because many Muslims have believed that during the month of Raja was the extremely important event known as Isra'il Mihraj. Allah SWT says Glory be to him who took his servant by night from the Masjid Haram to the Masjid Al-Aqsa upon which we have bestowed many blessings. In order that we show to him our many signs. And so this story we are all familiar with it. The Prophet Muhammad SAW wakes up. He's awakened by the angel. He brings him outside of his home. He presents him with the bur'ah. This animal, similar to a horse, but smaller than a mule, larger than a donkey. But with wings on his legs, which helps it pick up momentum as it travels. And it can gallop as far as it sees in one direction. One gallop. One gallop. So he travels to make a muqtis. Masjid Al-Aqsa, a shahb, those things, many different things we call them. And he returns in the same night. In the morning he decides to go tell the people to announce this to his people. The Masjid came and the muqtani. And his cousin, she didn't think it would be a good idea because she felt the people would ridicule him. So the Prophet said, Allah, I'm going to tell them. He goes out and tells them, last night I went to Jerusalem. And Masjid Al-Aqsa, and I came back last night too. The Masjid came and said, we've finally got him. We've finally got him. All this time, finally, after ten years of him preaching, but they tasted it to be false. And finally they thought that this time we're going to get him this time. We're going to show him to be a fraud. So they go and they start to spread the news. And unfortunately, there were many people who were Muslims, who were following the Prophet at the time, actually left. They became apostates in Leipzig because of this. They found it too unbelievable. They found it too unbelievable. They approached Abu Bakr Siddique, before he sees the Prophet himself. And they tell him the story. Your friend, he said, last night he went to Jerusalem. He came back today. Abu Bakr's response at first was, you're lying. He never said such a thing. That was his response. He said, yes, he did. He's in the Masjid now, in the harem. He's telling people that that's what happened. So Abu Bakr's response, next. Well, if he said it, then he speaks the truth. Then he speaks the truth. And why should I not believe him? Then he says such a thing. I believe him when he says something even much more unbelievable than that. He says he gets revelation that the sin from the heavens all the way down to him. So why would I not believe him when he says that he traveled to Jerusalem last night and came back? So Abu Bakr, he comes to the Prophet, and he says, well, did you tell him this? He says, yes, I did. This is what happened. Abu Bakr, I went. I traveled last night. And Abu Bakr says, I've been there before. Describe to me what you saw. And then all of a sudden, miraculously, Allah, He brought the Masjid Aqsa within view of the Prophet. He could see it right before his eyes. And he says, over here is this thing. And then over here is that. And he found this part of that. And he was described in every single detail about the Masjid Aqsa, that particular territory. And Abu Bakr, every time he said one thing, Abu Bakr said, Sadaqa, you spoke him the truth. Sadaqa, you spoke him the truth. Sadaqa, you spoke him the truth. Over and over and over.  That was actually from the moment, that moment Abu Bakr was referred to as Sadaqa. The truthful one who confirms the truthful others. He became Abu Bakr and Sadaqa at that moment. This is conviction. Think about this. It's like 10 years, the Prophet's promising the poor Muslims of Mecca, the persecuted Muslims of Mecca, that one day you want to rule all of this. One day you want to rule Persia and Rome. But it seems that every time they try to make progress, they don't, nothing happens for them. This persecution, increased persecution, over and over and over. And remember that this itself was after three years of embargo, almost starved to death on the outskirts of Mecca. So it makes sense when many people know it had enough, they left. But look at Abu Bakr's conviction. How would we have responded? That's really the important question, brothers and sisters, when we reflect upon this story. How might have we responded? When we have had similar patients, that's the Muslims who remain committed to the message that was brought by the Prophet, alaihi s-salam, in spite of all of their hardships and all of their persecution. How would you have fared? And it is because of this, Abu Bakr, when the Prophet, alaihi s-salam, was close to dying, he came out, he made a speech to the Muslim. He says, there is a servant who Allah has given a choice between continuing to live in this life or to join him in their acting. And that servant chose to go to his Lord. Abu Bakr, when he heard this, he started to cry. And he said, we would ransom our own mothers and fathers by the old Rasool Allah. The others, the Habib were confused. They didn't get his, what are you talking about? He just told the story. He talked about there's some servant, there's some guy that Allah gave a choice. Abu Bakr, he understood, he knew the Prophet better than other people. And the Prophet, alaihi s-salam, continues, I want to say that the most reliable of all of my friends, all of those who cook up in me, and the most reliable of those who have supported me with their wealth, is Abu Bakr. And if I were to take someone as a best friend, then I don't want to take Abu Bakr as my best friend. Alaihi s-salam, however, there's the friendship of Islam. He's khalilullah. And then he goes on and says, la yadqayanna fil masheeli khawqatu illa khawqatu abibakr. There should not remain a khawqa, an aperture, an opening to their home in the masjid after he dies other than the khawqa of Abu Bakr. And that has been the situation up until this very day. This is how special Abu Bakr was to the Prophet, alaihi s-salam. So as a story and message of sincerity, a message about conviction, and we always have to put ourselves in the place of those other people. Ask ourselves how sincere, how committed our need to the message. But we have to leave as well. We pray that we would have and that we would never turn our backs on the message. Alaihi s-salam. Al-salaam. Al-salaam. Al-salaam.


All right, Sabra Trader is good afternoon and welcome on back here this Thursday, July 14th, shortly after 2.30 PM Eastern time. This will pop here on the CLNN to begin our afternoon meeting here. Great to see all of our students and members alike inside our live trading room. Mark, Leda, Rob, great to see Michael, Ron as well. Jeff and Louis joining just shortly behind them. Great to see everybody loud and clear from all. Great to see that as well. All right, so for all of us in social media, great to have you as well here on Facebook, Live, and YouTube. Let's hop right into it. We ended up seeing the market really make a nice gradual push heading into the mid-afternoon thus far, shortly after 1 PM Eastern time. Spy there on the top left of my platform, you can see on the five minute chart, has made a nice bounce, ended up bouncing from right under 3.74, pushing on up steadily here, kind of like holding the last five or 10 minutes perhaps right off the highs. But for right now, at least we have the CLNN stock on the screen, hopefully one of many stocks that will look to make a nice squeeze up higher into the close. This one is not really moving with the spy, so to say. I know some news came out on this one heading into the open at least, and it ended up taking off shortly from there. So for right now, it's at the high. It's just needless to be said. We'll put a stock like this on our afternoon list to begin. I don't have my level four open for this stock. So unfortunately, I don't have the levels for this trade, at least from the heat map, at least from the heat map. So you could at least see, just recently it broke over four. We ended up seeing a lot of volume get filled initially off the first level test there, and it ended up making the pop shortly after. But look at the reaction after. It's not really doing a whole lot yet. Perhaps if it really solidifies over four here, then we could see a nice clean push up higher much sooner than later. But there's still a lot of time left to your folks. It's not gonna shock me as it's already beginning to do. It's not exactly holding right over four. So if this really peels back under four, I would strongly say to watch out. It would be more due for a drop at that point. So for right now, CLNN, I'll at least just put on our watch list given where it stands here at this time. It's much better to follow a stock right now at the highs or at the lows, especially if the markets are pushing up like this either way, the CLNN still looks good for right now. So let's see it really hold over four for right now. Let's go from top to bottom. Otherwise, we don't have class this afternoon, but we wanna make sure that we have enough time to prep ourselves up, get ready for the close at least. The CLVR trade number two on the gainers list while we're at it just will go from top to bottom. This one ended up making a nice big pop heading into the mid to late morning, like real early afternoon, like 12 o'clock and after. So it ended up making a nice trend up from a dollar, but ended up really gaining some steam by the time it ended up breaking over 125. So once it broke above 125 here, you could see a pretty big volume spike shortly with that time. And thankfully with this, you can't say this with every stock, easy say this in hindsight as well, but once it rebroke that resistance, once we saw more buying from the same price level, you would hope for a nice big move up, a continued run. And with this one at least, it gave you that chance. So CLVR was a nice squeeze, at least heading into the late morning or early afternoon. For right now though, it's pretty flat, dropped off already peaked at 146 and pulled back down. So I'll come back to this at the end, if it ends up making like a nice pop as we continue, then I'll definitely put it on our watch list at that point, but we'll see. I have one stock in mind that I am in right now, I'll tell you about that trade in a moment. Got my stop setting case for craps up, but I'll show you in just a bit here across the gainers list, the KSPN trade. Ended up making a nice push at least, just a moment ago, give me a quick second here. One of us just chatted me saying they can't hear the audio, but I could actually tell from my end I'm actually good. So with that, just a quick log out, log back in, should you not be able to hear me, but I'll be able to tell otherwise, if it's from my end, trust me, I'll be able to tell. So with that, KSPN ended up making a nice pop, at least heading into the early afternoon, you know, ran from like 430-440 all the way up towards, hide the day off 642. The thing with this stock is that we've seen it just happen over the last couple of trading days, back from Tuesday this week, from Monday coming off of, for as much as it pumps up, it drops down very sharply right away after. And when the volume dies off for this stock, that's when it really begins to happen. So with that, look what already happened, volume peaked after two o'clock. It's been holding support here, don't get me wrong. So for right now, you know, we'll give it a second look perhaps at the end, much like the CLVR stock. You know, if it makes a big pop, if it holds support here, I'll reconsider it, but history often repeats itself like I say, right? So, you know, I don't mean that in the sense of this continuing to just pop over this high and run up even more. If that happens, God bless. But I even mean that more on the other way around.  So not fully committed to this KSPN just yet. All right, S-I-S-I, this one's not doing a whole lot of anything right now. Let's skip over this. All right, so here's my GOEV trade. I was watching this just earlier with one of our students, Lori, and a coaching call, and, you know, hey, I made the call out on the chat board. We were watching big support at 4.30, and conveniently enough, it lined up perfectly, perfectly with the VWOT, a couple of cents shy, so not really perfect, well enough, right? Ended up making a nice bounce right from that area, broke under, back over, and I'm in from 4.33. So, you know, we're up at least 11 cents on this trade, 10 cents so far. I did tell Lori after we finished up the call, because I think that she still may be in the straighter, she may have gotten back in, perhaps, to say that 4.50 is a really strong level here, so if this really fails to, you know, break high or soon enough, don't be surprised if this ends up dumping back down here. So, I told her I'm playing it really home-runner bust. That's like, you know, how I phrased it. And by bust, I mean like completely break-even, so I'm not gonna lose a singular penny from my profit that I made this morning. It took me a little while to get into the plus side today too, so you definitely don't want to give it back. But, some good news has come out on GOEV the last, you know, a few trading days. It made a big move this morning. VWOP's a really strong level with that 4.30. So, when a stock breaks through a big level, we should be seeing a pretty big move shortly after. So, you know, the fact it's under 4.50 here is not too good. It needs to break right back over 4.50, for my sake, much sooner than later. Because if it holds under it, I could easily see it dragging back down and stopping me out, clean break-even. For right now, at least, it's still tradable. So, I'm gonna put this on our watch list, very liquid stock. Just because a minute doesn't mean I'm gonna put it on the watch list, folks. For any of our regular attendees here, you certainly know that. You know, there are times where I'm in trades and it's like super flat, super slow. This has slowed down a little bit, but from the morning that it had, it will become a lot more volatile over the next hour, hour and 20 minutes. So, you know, we'll see if this can sling back over 4.50 much sooner than later here. All right, so we got the G-O-E-V and the C-L-N-N stock, at least on our watch list so far. We got Y-S-G, nice, right at the highs of the day, actually making pretty close to a full recovery off of yesterday's move down. I mean, we didn't trade the stock yesterday, but I'm just saying it dropped off yesterday, making pretty much a full recovery still, you know, heading into this afternoon. So, you know, the Y-S-G right now, I definitely like this, looks great. I'll put this right away on our watch list and otherwise, let's see what else we got here. The Tilray trade, we have ACB, a few different pot cannabis stocks. We've traded those back from like as early as 2018. We've seen these run really nicely over the years. So, Tilray had a nice pop heading into like right away at 12 o'clock, it seems popped up really nicely, but afterwards, not a whole lot happening since. I guess it did make a small bounce off 350, but this is like a pretty slow moving stock right now. I'd want to see a lot more life being pumped into this trade here before I'm, you know, thinking about it. The ACB stock though, this is actually looking pretty strong in direction, at least, and it's moving a lot slower compared to Tilray even. Pot stock ETF MJ, it's at the highs right now, right? This is looking pretty strong. CGC and other pot stock here, making the same type of move as Tilray. It's not exactly at the HOD just yet. I'll come back to these at the end if I need to, folks. Not fully committed to them. A lot of times they've also been teases heading into this time of the day too. Like they've made a nice morning move and that was it. FFIE, hey, this still has a lot of life left to it, trading about, you know, 35, 40,000 shares a minute, roughly, ended up making a huge run from earlier, roughly around the same time as GOEV did. GOEV is moving back on up to 450 as we speak. You obviously know I'm watching that on a separate screen here, a separate monitor, but with that, I mean, hey, if there is any sort of correlation between those two, which I'm just speculating with that, that's completely shooting from the hip. But if there is, and GOEV's moving on up right now a little bit, well, look what's starting to make a nice bounce back up as we speak. FFIE, I don't mind slipping this on our list again here. This has been a nice stock to watch the last week, week and a half. I haven't even been trading this one as much myself, just saying, this has been pretty tradable. I mean, obviously made a big pop up like a week and a half ago, and it's been steady since in this consolidation under the highs, but just has a liquid order book. It's right within our price range. It's trading a lot of volume per minute. It's exactly what you would want to have. Michael called out AFRM, a firm earlier today, another stock that seemingly is a great sideless stock. This one, definitely a lot more name brand than where you could rely on this being more of a sideless stock, comparative to that other one. But even this one, making a nice little push-up from earlier, pushing back up with the S&P here, hasn't broken a new high just yet. SPY is really pushing up pretty nicely as of now. So AFRM, I wouldn't mind adding to our list here at the end, I'm gonna cherry-pick all these at the end here pretty much. CLVR, KSPN, AFRM, AFRM looks great right now, but not fully committed to it just yet. Let's see if there's anything else looking even better. All right, familiar name here. I didn't see this one up until right now. It was this REV, just a moment ago here. This one's not trading a lot of volume per minute compared to what we've normally seen at trade. It's at the highs, right? But we've seen this have way more volatility to it, way more volume to it. I always say that volume promotes volatility and volatility is not always a bad word to say. So it's a good word you would wanna have sometimes and this would be the type of trade that needs a kick in the pants. So this trade here, REV not fully sold on it just yet. Got you, same thing. I'm gonna scrap both of those in total. PLRX, nope, same thing with this one. Pretty flat for a $20 stock. All right, that's all right, folks. I mean, market's moving on up if there's anything else that's looking really good, you know, up or down, we'll go through it. Type it in the chat board if there's anything that you see that looks great first. Let's just jump over to the loser's side here. Got the CFRX stock, just really cheap. It was down huge though, 83 plus percent. So I'm sure that will be a nice DCB over time, dead cap balance. Mark, shout out to Mark here. I know he missed one trade recently. Actually, probably for the better, Mark, because I told you right away after you said that the 50 was a big support. So I don't think that you missed too much on that one, but Mark was killing it on the Novavax trade earlier today. I don't know what news came out. I honestly just didn't have my ear to the ground on the news for this trade, whether it's earnings or whatever it has to do with maybe their COVID vaccine or whatever other vaccines they got. But it took a huge hit heading into the market open this morning. I ended up dropping from like 65 all the way down to, you know, LOD off at 50 right away, right? So for what it's worth, as much as it dropped, making a nice squeeze at least here off the 50 level.  This thing is, although expensive, and although it has a thin order book, which you would expect for a more expensive stock, you know, especially like NVACs here, it's to say that this is very volatile, right? We just set it before on the other one. We want volatility at times. This is it, making a nice squeeze. So maybe this will begin to top off at some point, perhaps around 55 and then begin to pull back.  Nice trade on the NVACs, bouncing off the 50 level. ILPT, not a whole lot happening there. We'll be at shortable. We'll pass on it for right now. EGY, same thing. Bit of a volume spike there recently, but not enough to really get me going. All right, well, it goes up, comes back down, right? SIGA, what a short this one was today. Ended up, you know, peeling back after the market opened up and only continued to make lower highs after. Even now, you know, squeezed up from like 1285, 1286, and then, you know, recently, you could see it's making a bit of a lower high rounded top there. So, SIGA is, you know, tradable in the sense of the move that it made, but even this, this one's not trading a lot of volume per minute. Like there's not a lot of volume on this trade.  It's more susceptible without any buying for this to drop off? I mean, I reckon, but what if we stop seeing selling? What if we stop seeing shorting interest coming in on this trade? It's not gonna drop off as much then.  So, you know, right now, SIGA, it's definitely on our side list right now. I feel like the AFRM on the way up, the KSPN also and CLVR look better. But, you know, if you do well on the stock day over day or have been recently, then I'm sure it'll be a stock that you'll personally be more inclined to follow. That's all. All right, folks, there's definitely a lot more that's up and there's definitely a lot more that's down. If there's anything else that does look good, type it in the chat board. That's how we work together as a team here. Let me know if there's anything that looks good from your end. They'll check it out here at the, or just right now and we'll see if there's anything else that we could add on to our list. So far, we got CLNN, we got the GOEV, we got YSG, FFIE, and VAX, Novavax. Michael on a firm short, picking up 12 cents on his trade from 22.50 inside our live trading room. Mark posting some news on NVACs there. It fails to boost the stock as demand for, I guess they have a protein-based vaccine approval that failed. Latest is John Shack testing the 45 level, S-H-A-K. It's up 6% moving on up a bit. For a more expensive stock, you would want to see a trade a lot more volume per minute than what it's doing right now. And you could say the same on a lot of different trades. I mean, I even just said it on SIGA, which is like right within our wheelhouse as far as a price. So for right now, this one, it's having a nice day. Nice couple of days there, perhaps due for a nice bounce coming up. All right, let's check out the KSPN here. KSPN still kind of holding around these prices off the sixth level, beginning to push back over six for right now. So listen, this is trading a lot of volume per minute, even though the volume bars keep getting smaller and smaller the last 15, 20, 30 minutes, right? So if this could hold over six from here, or very shortly after we finish up this meeting, and if it squeezes up off a six, then great. You know, I'm going to put this on our list here. This will make the cut. But if this ends up crashing right back down under a six right now and holds under it, then I would write it off. It wouldn't be a good sign then in that case. So AFRM, nice short from Michael, as he just posted inside our live trading room. You know, this is just a tradable stock. It's up a lot or it's up a decent amount today. I'm sure you could say the same on a number of different trades like that today. Maybe like an RBLX, I'm just shooting from the hip with that. I haven't checked out Roblox today. Roblox up 1.4%, so perhaps not the case there. But nonetheless, if there are any stocks that are like making a move with the market, unless if it's like really showing a lot more volume being traded compared to usual, which it seems like across the board, that's not going to be the case, right? Unless if it's like a small cap, cheapy stock, which I'm not really like looking to harp on too much. So it's all right for right now. I mean, the AFRM was looking all right. If you're doing good on that stock day over day, it's a good sideless stock for you to prioritize. CLVR here, I said I'd jump back to at the end. This is not looking so hot right now. I guess you could say unless it holds support and pops up from here perhaps, but it's already making a lower high and dragging back down. So we'll keep our eyes on this secondarily, after three o'clock, if there's nothing else from the main list that's moving to begin, then perhaps we'll jump back to this, then perhaps we'll jump back to the AFRM or the others. Janice is right, RIOT. So I know Bitcoin's been making a nice little move up today. So Riot's moving up to a small degree, but it's like very slow moving. So is this likely to make a 50, 60, 70 cent pop heading into the close here? I just don't believe so. And I'll tell you what, I certainly say that with experience because we've seen these crypto mining related stocks all the time, the Bitcoin mining related stocks, they don't make afternoon moves. They'll make moves in the morning, pre-market, after the open, into this time, into right now. But if you go back on like various meetings on our YouTube channel back from like, I mean the whole like last year, but like, you know, November of last year, December, October, September of last, you'd always hear me say that in the afternoon meetings here. Pretty interesting. So we'll see if it ends up peaking and then dumping off or what, but right now I'm not fully sold on the cryptos altogether. I got a couple more myself, I'm catching here at the very end, then we'll wrap up CEAD. This is not trading a lot of volume right now, so that I'll pass on. It seemed like that was starting to make a small push. HTGM, it's up seven and a half percent, but this one's also pretty slow and flat, hasn't broken out just yet. Last one here, F-R-E-Q, nope. All right folks, I think that's pretty much it. That's pretty much all we got so far, heading into this Thursday afternoon, and that's all right. Markets are pushing up pretty nicely still, so it's a great overall day. You know, if there's any moves that you're following in terms of name brand stocks, just make sure that it's volatile enough to give you an opportunity, right? Like for instance, doesn't seem like American Airlines is gonna make a big move back up, and even if it does squeeze back up, it's not gonna make a big move, right? It's a slower moving trade. You'd say the same thing on a stock like Ford, you'd say the same thing on a stock like SoFi, so a firm, that's why I was like, all right, a firm's a good sideless stock, because as a $20 trade, it trades good volume. It's been relatively volatile, so just make sure it's worth the squeeze in that sense. All right? For all of us on Facebook Live YouTube, I appreciate you sticking with me each and every day. I'll be back in my normal saddle here. Fausto's back in on the morning, so had a nice, fresh mouth here across the afternoon. It's been nice. It's good to be back in my seat, at least my normal saddle. 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