Thriller City You might need a theme song for your shit jump yourself Jack thriller dot com we creep in snoop dog to the left jack thriller to the right Jack thriller dot com do it all night hit the website Hit us up real quick if you're trying to get hooked up with a bad super pinch We back in new jack thriller city, man Yo, yo, yeah, it's going down man. Hey, look here. I'm gonna jump right on into it But first let me introduce my co-host man. Hey, I got the new queen of comedy man in here right now She hails from the west side of Atlanta. You know I'm saying uh, yo everybody know y'all done seen her Erica Duchess. Yeah Get up and show me your school clothes girl. Get up and show them your school clothes. This is not school clothes. These are Jack thriller's park hat clothes. Okay Put my name on it. Oh, yeah She said it belongs to me All right, I'm gonna take your word for it, man. Hey my other co-pilot For today, man, this is my blood cousin right here, man And y'all y'all he didn't took over the whole world back in 07 man with his movement his group cash camp You know created the soldier boy dance. Did you show the low elo dance to get silly Man, he is the godfather of the crank moving y'all give it up for a little playboy Man show them your school clothes man. Yeah, what you did this episode, bro I don't know how to spell it God damn man, that's that's heavy. I can't I can't pick it up I can't pick it up. You're doing your thing, man. Hey and the man of the hour, man He helps from Kansas City, man. He wanted the new kings of r&b right here, man You know I'm saying first time I remember seeing this guy He was uh, you know simple my dogs with r&b money And I think he's doing some things over there r&b money, man Yo, y'all give it up for the one the only t-rail T-Rail Man, welcome to new jack thriller city my boy. How you doing, man? I'm good, man Thank you. We've been talking about this for I feel like a year and a half Maybe maybe two years now trying to get you here. We've been going hard about this problem in the n-boxing Hey, man, I can come see you boy. What's going down? Man. What did you just say? I need to see you boy Okay You must be singing all night my boy, man, I've been singing every day. I'm in the studio, man Just trying to get right. Okay. Trying to get right. So up in my tool love. Don't need love. It don't need none No, tell what does that even mean, bro? Love don't show no love. Love don't show no love. Yeah Love don't show no love. You gotta you gotta elaborate on that. Put me in put me on the god I was listening.   I can I can sense real love is but that love that these women be showing me that ain't real love Women I just want to know how old are you? How old are you? I'm 30 so I can say no what I'm talking with. Okay That's your speed Not no, no, no not no mode not no mode. You probably want to ain't showing no love Yeah I like this. I like this.  I used to blincy. I got this walmart shirt on Come on stand up Okay, man, who need blincy? I can when you can say come on now In walmart clothes you hear me. Come on. Let's make a deal Or a discount leader.  He's he's actually called me $50 At a at a uh one them ghetto stores in uh, seattle Yeah, yeah, I support also support local owns like black owned I'll go to their stores and buy their clothes too. Okay. That's I am. This is one of my people's fits Get to me. I'm rocking That's how I got nigga.   Miyagi clothes The first first serve fit does it be sweat panty shirt? I want to wear some rice and Roni too. I got you. I got you. Yeah, I got you. Come on I'm your friend. I'll wear it. You wear it. I wear it. I wear on stage. Nigga at a show stop No, no, no law is told here. Okay. What do you see? No, don't tell me we friend for real than that Yo, Erica gonna talk to me after the show man. I know what love is I know what love is. She had a couple drinks in her. That's so crazy. Look, no I was just talking to somebody about different levels of love. Okay And that's where I'm at now like like relationships, right? Like different levels. Well, I like what you just said relationships. Yeah, like, like How many levels do you have? No, no, no, no. No, like, you know how you have puppy love Yeah Then you get a little older. You breed dogs. Yeah, then you get a little older. You think you're in love then you Learn how to love somebody like unconditional love. Like that's how loving another soul. Not like my mama. That's top to you my siblings Yeah, I'm just now on that level not like mine.   It's not your dad. You gotta love him like your side piece You tell my spouse why you got something like an intimate relationship with I'm experiencing a whole different type of loving somebody But I'm just saying I'm just learning how to learn how to love an individual like just And that that's different for me Like you know, you love somebody. I'm Lord.  Then y'all can just disappear and don't talk to nobody ever.  Do you know what I'm saying? And don't even care nothing about it. But when you just meet somebody, that's different. I didn't know that existed on earth especially like this time. Like you can just really love somebody. Just that human being that just flowin' like, unconditional, if that makes sense. 100% it does make sense. Yeah, it does make sense. Every time I love, hey, He got a good heart too, this is just my spirit talking with him. He had like a good heart, right? I never met him, never seen him. I just see him go viral on Instagram with all his inequities. He ain't got no diseases.  I say, you know, with his, you know, he's on the showroom, stuff like that. Oh, got you, okay. Yeah, I just seen, I just, I just seen that. And I'm like, who is this dude? I went into it, and I'm like, oh, I got a story. Then it's so crazy. You called me, but like, can you go and show it to me? I just seen his drama. Yeah. Like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got a lot of love in his heart. Yeah. And he's seen from the heart. Yeah. Yeah. And it longs. He been hurt too. Yep. This is my spirit talking. He been hurt.  Yeah. Plenty of it. Plenty of it. But he's gonna come to him though.  Mm. Ooh. You gotta break that down, because how you love side piece?  She got the food cooked, the house clean. When you go, man, girl, she ain't wanna do it half the time. She lost that love for you. You gotta always keep that side piece.  You buy her more flowers. You do the other one. You get her more food than the other one. You care more about your side.   But she got this man, your side piece for real. They treating her real good.  Because you sneaking. Yeah, and it's more fun.  Yeah, that's why it's fun. To become that man. That's why I don't want to be nobody's boyfriend. You know what I'm saying? Let me chase you the whole goddamn six months. Let's not put a title on it. Let's let me keep chasing you. I don't wanna do all that, man. What about Tom and Jerry? I'm toxic. I like that. Yeah, you sound like a little future, like little future junior. I'm toxic. I wanna keep the chase up. Make it a thrill. That's the inspiration for all the music right there, huh? You work better in turmoil. Yeah, I start problems on purpose. Oh, got you. One of them niggas. They're crazy. Damn, man, I got you cheating. I got, yeah, see, I'm gonna go to the studio. And you gonna get shot trying to make an album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just the best album to me is Confessions. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And that's the tale of what he done been through. I see, well, you about to go to the Super Bowl, goddamn, following this blueprint. Makes sense to me, man.   I'm in. He just talking that he started.  No side piece for me. He just experiencing that. Especially y'all, this time, y'all generation, this Instagram life, y'all, the eyes. I believe y'all generation is just the same. Y'all just seem to have IG. That's a good question. We kind of the same, but we're more like. My grandma was hot, my grandma was hot at it too. She didn't have IG. You know, hold on first, how old your grandma may be? Because you might be one of them niggas. You got a 50-year-old grandma. Yeah, you got a 50-year-old grandma, because you didn't have a 30. My grandma, she was alive, she'd be like 76. 76, okay, sure. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I used to ask my mama, when I get in trouble for something, I go, my what was you doing at age 25? You know, I know you in the church now, mama. But what was you doing at 25? Chasing Jane Brown. So don't judge, don't judge me. I said, you're not judged, not judge me. That's true. What was you doing at 25?  Oh yeah, oh yeah. Mama with a real pen. Hey, Playboy, you know what love is? Because you were in the same club. I was just about to ask, ask me all this. Like, Playboy? I agree. I think it's love is a love. But I don't, me, I just don't think that you could love somebody unconditionally that like you didn't like just give birth to or you ain't just come from. I couldn't see myself like, that's my girl, that's my wife. They say that unconditionally, but nah, sometimes you're gonna get so mad.  I would never say that to my mama or to my daughter. You understand what I'm saying? Cause I traditionally love my mama.   Well, guess what?  I feel like that's not that unconditional love. But I do feel like where you like madly in love, you see somebody get the butterflies and you want to be nice to them? Yeah, I believe in all that. I done seen it about three, four times in my life. How old are you? I'm 33. Oh yeah? So, I'm 33 years old. So, like I said, I'm just not getting to that. Like, I couldn't see it at 33 or no 25, nothing like that. Like I said, I'm 34 years old and I'm just now experiencing that.    I cuss my door out. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I cuss my door out and stuff like that, but that's my baby.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, do that. But I cuss my door out.  You know, I don't see it. Man, I done been in love so bad that you would cuss somebody out so bad and it hurts you. And, but I just know it hurt them too, but you gotta think like, would you do that to your parents? Would you do that to your parents? When I hang the phone up, I'd be like, man, bitch, you, I mean, everybody, everybody different. I know people that cuss their parents out and stuff. I would never do that. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, yeah. That's different. That's what I'm saying. It's so many different levels of it. I know people that is very disrespectful to their parents. I never cuss my mama or my dad or anything like that. But I'm just saying it, when you still got a life to live, like I'm saying, I'm just now experiencing that right now. Like loving somebody like, we don't gotta be together. Like I don't gotta stay with them. But forever that person will have like my heart. Forever that person can call me for anything, forever. That person, you know what I'm saying? You got somebody like that right now. You know what I'm saying? Like right now, but like my exes, I got a couple of baby, I got a couple of baby daddies and shit.  You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? And back when I was with them, I was with them. I was in love with them. But it's not that.   Just genuinely love them. Like unconditional love. That makes sense. That makes sense. I like what you just said right here. And you're right. You don't have no business cussing your mama unless you get her good Mother's Day gifts and Christmas presents. That's the only way it's acceptable. Yeah, I'm sorry. But I know people that cussed my mama. My first definition of like learning, you know unconditional love was like in the Bible. And it's like God and God is love. So I feel like, I don't know. I know I can love them like a romantic love, but just that unconditional love. I'm back key love. I couldn't cuss God out. No matter what he put me. I can't be so angry, but I can't do it. You know, that's just me. Because I got that unconditional love for him.   She got them walking out slow.  Like, nah, you know what I mean? So it was like, you could just all different frustrations come in those type of relationships.  And I don't mean that, you know, I love you. You want to see you bad, yeah. But you know, that's just how relationships are sometimes. Ain't no relationship perfect. Never.  It just like, what do you do? It's hard to keep your cool sometimes. Like he said, we should be toxic sometimes. Even when you don't want it to be. It's hard, especially like, it's hard period. Just dealing with another. He's got to find somebody to be in perfect with. He's got to find somebody to be in perfect with. Yeah. In perfect. You got to find somebody to be in perfect with. I have situationships. Okay. Situationships with an S-plur. Yeah, yeah, situationships. I'm not perfect. What is the situation ship? Like when he said no titles, do you want to do the booty? Do you want to do the booty? Want to do the cook? I live on the road 24 seven. I'm on tour. I'm always gone. I can't be with nobody. I'm always gone. You can't be with nobody when you're doing this all day every day. I like, I like money. I like my career. I like moving around. So a relationship. I ain't got no time to be no Romeo. Right. What's a Romeo? A Romeo cake. People be taking all day with that girl. Late, late to everything. Can't do nothing. Got to go inside at 10 o'clock. I wouldn't say it ain't got to be all of that. Man, can't go to. What it's got to be? What it's got to be? It ain't got to be all of that. What it's got to be? Can you put us on?  You know what I'm saying? It's certain things that need to be understood. You know what I'm saying? Learn. They come with it. Learn.  You know what I'm saying? Because you gonna have that time sometimes.  It's nothing wrong with that.  That's what I was just. Cussing them out and can't love perform how you want. That's what I was saying, gotta be a certain understanding. A certain understanding. Okay. When I'm in love, when you fall in love unconditionally like you saying, or when you got that love, love feeling. Man, you know what I'm saying. You might put love. You might be put love. You telling me I'm home for three days and you want to spend three days nagging.   Wrong. I'm home for three days.  Or we love each other or what?  You must not miss nagging with me. If that's the term you're missing me because you want to waste all the time we got together for this.  How about the first day, we love each other. Then the second day, then you say something, we ain't into it. But then all three days because you trying to get something off your chest. That's kind of crazy.  What about the times he's on the road? This road life is hard. Who are you telling me? This road life is hard. When you going to show the show city, city dealing with fans, dealing with bullshit promoters. You dealing with half-assed employees sometimes. You dealing with airlines, hotels, attitudes. When you come home, you want to... Just sit down. Have somebody to help you smooth that thing out. I can do bad by myself, shout out to Tyler Perry. I can do bad all by myself. That's true. So if I'm going to come home, I want to do bad sitting and listening to your nagging.  That ain't this side. Because she ain't gonna, she miss me, but she going to have a good time with you.  She really don't want to wait and see you.  Okay. So, okay, I just want to understand. I'm a little, just sit. You all right with my niggas?   I'll take you in there, let's go. I'm... No, no, no, no, no. That don't mean, that don't mean that to me. That don't mean that to me. You try to get there bad. You don't want to go inside man. I want to go inside. No, no, no. I got a contract with the thing to fill an application when you come work with T-Rail. One of the main things is, dude, you have a girlfriend.  Because it's hard to get you going on the road. Your girl tripping, we got to go home. I don't want to go home in two days. I want to kick it for the extra three.  Because your girl tripping, I don't like all that. I want, hey man, come on with it. Now, kids, we expect kids, but girlfriends, that's just crazy man. I don't got to go home. You can't even work with me. I'm paying you, bro. So you're paying for the day you paid to chill with me. Now, women complain, but they want that money. They want the Chanel purse. They want you to come home and pay them bills. They want that food in the refrigerator. Kids, private school pay foe. New tennis shoes, foe $500 hairdos. They want you to pay for that, but they want you to spend time with them at the same time. So where are we getting this money from? Oh, you want me to hustle.  Hey, I'm a man. I have sex with you in a cardboard box because that's what you want to do.  It's yours saying, come on now.  No?  I'm talking about what you do.   That's the price? That's the price? Is that the price? Or is it me? Or is it conspiracy? It's yours. Well, y'all get on my nerves. I'm just saying, okay, because women, we so, I ain't going to say we simple. We not simple. No, y'all not. Complicated. And y'all deal with y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all go off emotion, not logic.  So are you giving while you're on this road doing your thing and all that? So are you, are you giving that main lady her reassurance like? I give main lady her reassurance and main lady doing main, main lady things. Come on now. Now what's the main lady saying? I believe a race ship is 50-50, right? Come on now. All right. Now women only see cheating as, as a problem in a relationship. Now what about house clean? What about clean my house? What about kids didn't care of? What about, what about I'm taking care of? What about mentally loving me? That's this, that's another half of it. If you ain't giving me this, I ain't giving you this. You want me to stop cheating? I want you to take care of the goddamn house. But what if the cheating- I want you to take care of me. Well, I gotta take care of you. But what if the cheating on put her like in a depression mode? Put her in depression mode? Yeah. What did you subscribe to betterhelp.com? Betterhelp.com has helped me through all of my relationships.  And remember, it's people that are very discreet, they won't tell all your business, it's not over the counter, betterhelp.com. Make sure you use my promo code today. Thriller slash 50, betterhelp.com. This made me so sick. Ha, ha, ha, ha! Do this all again! How you slid that in there so clean? It was right time for that therapy session, man. Betterhelp.com. But communication and everything, I mean, every relationship will have that problem and stuff and women, we just like to be real and sure, we like to feel comfortable, make me feel, make me feel like I'm a part, you know. Don't just be treating me like, treating me like in a kind of way. No, you're not supposed to be a tyrant over a woman. The Bible says don't be a tyrant over a woman. Exactly. But I got a question for you. Come on now. I got a question for you. I know that Bible.  If you messed up, do you give him the same respect that he give you? So like, if you cheat on me and I don't trip, like I still cordial with you.  Over the top. Over the top, so you don't give me the same respect you gave me? I'm different. You can't expect you out of me. Yeah, I can't expect that. You see what I'm saying? I'm different. I might be in this a little more deeper than you are. It might have hurt me a little more differently than it hurt you.   Hey, but Erica, isn't it easier for you to just, you know, carry on with guys instead of just having a boyfriend these days? Say that again? I say, isn't it easier for you to just carry on with guys and, you know, conduct yourself inside a situation ship manner than to have a boyfriend? You know, cause you have these same problems with relationships, right? I mean.  Yeah, it's hard. It's hard, right? It's really, it's hard. See, that's what I said. That's what I be dealing with. You got a lot of boyfriends too. No, I do not have a lot of boyfriends. That's my problem. I get with one dude, and I just be want to be with that one nigga.  Don't tell me that because I've been saying it too. I've been feeling like I'm in here too. It is. But that's just me. I don't want... You putting too much pressure on one nigga. You know what I'm saying? No.  And so you have to spread yourself around and whatnot and see what you like. You need a little variety. You know, it's just like a dating is like having a sushi platter.  Like everybody I deal with like, like how can I... You know what I'm saying? You can say it, say it. It might be a problem. You just, you know what I'm saying?  You hear me? Cause they play so much. I don't play with niggas. When I'm with you, I'm with you. I'm not gonna pull you in to check out, you know. These niggas care about these women. You know what I'm saying? I don't play with no niggas like that. Especially if I love you. I ain't feel play with you. Hold on. Excuse me, Erica. Correct me if I'm wrong, but acknowledge me if I'm right. Are you saying that you date only thugs? Only thugs?  Niggas that don't have sense. And how old are these niggas? They got sense. How old are they? They of age. I'm saying, what's the age? I mean, no more of y'all. No more of y'all generation. I'm saying they're like 45 year old thugs. They tripping. Not just thugs like that. It's just the niggas that ain't gonna play no game. It means like I'm young. It's not playing games. I don't, we don't understand. What's niggas playing games?  They gonna. No. Just old, I say OGs like that. What's an OG? What, what, put this on? Just because you're old don't mean you're an OG. Not on me. Yeah, that's true. That's very true. I ain't old. I'm an OG, but I'm just saying, I mess with guys that, you know what I'm saying? Be bald, you know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna mess with nobody that I know that.   You say it.  No, it's not that. It's not. That's what I want. The dead five years.  No, no. Defend you in situations that I'd be one for I'm safe with. When do you need to be safe at? Where are you going? Where are you going? That's what is the world is dangerous. Erica, we would have never moved here. We the new you had to have a goddamn gun. They won't do the neighborhood. No, I'm just saying that just, you know what I mostly get away with. So I just don't, even if it can be like a nerdy dude, I'm just ain't finna just bring no dude into a situation that I know it can cause some type of friction. What do you usually go on dates at? Where do you usually? What's a what's a hot date to you? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta help us out. I don't even know like the last time I've been on like a hot day because I'd be gone somewhere. I'd be gone. I'm gone. Okay.  I got them too. I mean, I got that too. So she knew what it was. So are you cool with a nice little quiet Netflix and chill night? Yeah. Yeah. I do that. Okay. Wouldn't I need to protect you at your house? No, I'm not saying that. It's just that I be dealing with, you know what I'm saying? I just don't be dealing with it. Like, I don't know. You're saying it. I just don't, I just told you I deal with like, street, like my poor being in the streets, like, not like, like. You hit the shoes. Is that what you're saying? Something like that. If you're with them, you probably chance a baby, right? Yeah. But that's why I don't forward other niggas.   No. No. I don't be scared. I'm gonna be a shot. It's just that I just don't do that. I'm just saying that was just some of the dudes I've just been dealing with lately. But I want, even if I were dealing with like a nerdy school dude, it don't even matter. I just don't be messed with most of the dudes because female is the core of a lot of killings nowadays. It's the truth. Now watch out. Because females is setting a lot of niggas up. Not to know. They're not just saying no.   Then you know what type of niggas it is. But sometimes, sometimes it only really be the females though. It be the man.  They just be their feelings. I know a dude. He was a good dude, man.  We're not crazy like good things. He's a good dude. Like he sold insurance and investments and stuff like that. But long story short, he did taxes. He was dating this girl that he probably knew for like two months, 60 days. Her ex-boyfriend tracked them down and murdered him and then do nothing to her. But he was just mad that he caught his ex-girlfriend with somebody else. And that wasn't even his, like he wasn't even his girlfriend. He was just dating, like getting to know somebody.  You know what I'm saying? Like imagine knowing a woman for two months and you end up losing your life over her.  Just imagine like with you, but one night ain't gone, life gone. Life gone one night.  I don't see, but I don't understand what the concept, what the concept of even being, putting yourself in different type of positions if you know that you're dating someone that has crazy people that's involved with them.  I'm not coming over there. And see that's the problem.  They don't be telling you what's going on with it. I got like a sense of it though. I can feel it a little bit in you. They'll tell you these stories.   Yeah, that's on you. You have a type. Well the one I got to do is listen. Yeah, the one she gonna tell you. She gonna tell you exactly what. They gonna tell you. Yeah, that's true. You gotta be listening. Some mom don't tell you and be playing, be trying to get back with another nigga. You know what I'm saying?  Knowing this nigga is weak minded, but they might not know the nigga weak minded, but a lot of these niggas just weak minded and. No man, what my homie said, hey man, my homeboy girl slid in my, in my dear, man, we forgot to do it. I said, man, leave that girl alone nigga. Yeah. She trying to use you.  She trying to use you. Oh. No. Don't slide your nigga on girlfriend. She trying to use you. Banana in the tailpipe. Hey, all plus he ain't good for you, man. No boy, man. And they all good for you.  You're not even supposed to be friends with your homeboy girl. No. You're not even supposed to be, y'all ain't, your friends is your friend, her friends is her friend. Right.  You don't, you don't see her no more either. Yeah, that's me. We all, we all, we all.  It's too many people. Even long. It don't even make sense. Our cousin come out, man. I agree. You won't even talk to her. She go, hi, he be like, yeah. But he too real. What's going on, man?  That's how I go. That's how it's supposed to go. Yeah, that's how it's supposed to go. I'm not saying you got to that extent, but come on, it's a code something, man. Not your partner. How long, how long, how long do the friendship got to be if not be able to cross that line? It's a friendship. Never. What if it's like one day, okay, we all in the industry. What if it's like one day fake industry friends? We all know we got industry friends. If it ain't joke, if it ain't joke. Really, they ain't your friend. You can't call them to ask them to pick you up cause you got a flat tire. You know what I'm saying?   He was like, man, I don't know the n***a about, I don't know the n***a about a year. I said, God.    I was single and I wanted it. I probably would have went for it. But if it's like my blood, my partner, somebody I played in the sandbox with and we done. And I know they've been together for five, see him and his girl was together for six years.  She trying to get back at him and flirt with me something. Nah, we turn that down all day.  Oh yeah, chop it up in the club. You knocking the back, bruh.  Right. N***a always be lying. I don't do that. Do you like her like? I don't like her like her. Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah, I don't like her like that, but be in love with her. You just drawin' out on your club. Yeah. I don't promote nothin', man. I be like, man, she trash, terrible, man.    They gon' trigger it, he gon' care.  It ain't worth it. It ain't worth it.  I don't want to be up there.  Man. That's it, that's a whole n***a. N***a, I start a line, man, she got the clap.  That's how you gotta keep n****s off your girl.    Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Yeah. No! How you gon' leave it?   Every time they see you with a new girl, they be like, hey, man, I thought you said you had AIDS. Oh, no, she do, too. I met on AIDS.MeatAIDS.com. Woo! Yeah, yeah, yeah.  It has to be that extreme for you to keep n****s up at your bed. You got to.  Wow. I'm talking about his life. That's all he want. I got you. I understand. I don't want nobody holla at him. Yeah. That's crazy. I'm talking about they be some boy. He in security. Boy! Yeah, cause. He's safe for me. Yeah.  Active. They active than a motherfucker. They f***ing all day and night. N****s on it.  Woo! Yeah. Actually active. They all, it's on and popping. It's on and popping, god damn. Hey, but just to pivot real quick, cause we've been talking about this for a minute.  I didn't heard seven, eight songs. Man, what's Tank talking about? Man, I got pretty songs with no samples. A lot of my first singles with no samples. One of my biggest songs, my dog, no sample. It's just something I like to do. It came along recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the new wave. Yeah, I'm busting. What's your favorite sample and give me like a little sample? One's I've done or one's I wanna do. Either one, whatever you feel like singing. The ones I've done so far probably be, I sample Tyrese. Which one? Fall in love with you. I love that song. How does the song go? Let me hear it. How it go? Here's mine. Okay. Mine? Yours. All of this crying, we were just writing, breaking all the rules. Retaliation ain't no biggie, it get tragic. We're about that action, everything get worth reactions. Ooh, been in these streets, you know it's hard to smile. I didn't so much turn them down with this calm and down. Got a chill, I got a dawning down. Till it's running out my cheek, they gun my party down. Come on now. Come on now. Yeah, I think blue part was just looking for a reason to kick you out. When he heard that voice, he like, you know what, nah, this nigga ain't fit to take my show. He says it's on the booze. He says it's on the booze. Nah, go ahead, somebody call him till he ain't going with me. T-Ray, why you get yourself involved in that shit? I didn't get involved. Yeah, you did.  I didn't get involved, man.    Nah, man, booze he called me, man, I'm trying to tell you the truth here, man. Okay, check. So blue hit me on Instagram. He was like, hey, bro, he sent me a flyer. He was like, you want to go on tour with me?  Yeah. For free? For free.  It was for free. Then he was saying, I'm gonna hit the promoters up and get it all set up. Okay. Bet, so then he gave me back and said, all right, I got it all set. I'm on what, how many dates was it? 20 dates? 20 dates. Then I say about a week later his manager called and he was like, hey, man, I don't think you're gonna be able to go on the tour.   All right, man, you good. He was like, he was like, you good. Boom. Now I'm back on the tour. Then his manager called again and said, are we gonna drop you down to five dates?  You a security risk. We think you're a security risk because you cool with boozey and this and that. You a security risk.  What you just say? It's about the money, right? Two weeks later, now about a week later, he said his manager called my manager and say, hey, if you want to pay a little money, we give you about six or seven old dates up in the East Coast. Bitch, I thought we was a security risk. If I'm a security risk, what are you talking about? I thought I was a security risk. Now you give me more dates. I'm cool. I'll just keep the dates that you gave me, bro. I'll still, it's cool. I'm gonna try to ride back. You feel what I'm saying? Then I get a call. I was in, I did a show. I get a call from Boosie. He's dropped this album. He said, well, I need some hooks. I'm about to drop my Deluxe album.  Come on, bro. Boosie, somebody that helped me in the game and put me on. Yes, me too. I'm talking about know my dog, T-Round took me on my first tours, came to my city, performed with me. Come on, bro, that's my friend. And Blue knew me through Boosie. Yes.  He knew me through Boos. Because I meet going to DC through Carlos. And you can imagine them two. I met you through them two. So when I'm saying this, when he hit me up about it, when Boosie posted me that T-Round, like my album, then I get a call, no matter than five minutes.  Usually I'm real calm, cool. I let me, you know how you just sit there. People just keep talking about you and they keep talking about you and they keep talking about, eventually I snap. Hey, bro, that ain't my character. I'm not no backdoor person. I ain't sitting here. I ain't got no, I ain't got no problem with y'all. With nobody. Y'all business ain't my business. Kick me out to her. Kick me out to her. Then Boosie came with that video. You a clown. Kickin' T-Round off to her. Then I'm on every vlog in the park. I ain't, well, I was like, boy, this is crazy. I ain't, D-Day Vlad ain't never posted T-Round. Hey, hey, what they say, what the devil mean for bad? God will turn it for your good. Turn it out for your good. I ain't talking for my good. It gave me time to sit down. I opened my second lounge. I'm not opening it. I'm working on my, I got my own lounge now in Topeka, Kansas, where I'm from. I got a club in Cincinnati. I own 25% of that. Then to turn around, I had time to actually sit and think. I got to be with my kids more. I got to play video games with my son. Being off the road for like two weeks, it was a new life. Maybe feel regular again. You know, I needed that. Like maybe God set me down for a reason. That platform wasn't big enough for you. Your popularity went up too. Oh, my popularity went up. Crazy. I didn't know. I didn't know. I seen all that. Who did? Did I want to see you? And this to your songs, I said, I don't have a shot I can see. Jumping, then I get opportunity to go on tour. Now I'm going on tour with Sukiana. Come on now. So me and Sukiana are going on tour together. Come on now. This is October 11th at Morris Brown College. Come on now. I've seen that. Yeah. So I didn't take no ill. The tour ended up getting canceled in the first place. You gotta see, I ain't anything for me to say anything. God said, be quiet. Be still. Be still. Be still. God said, be still. So that ain't anything for me. What's for me is to follow my beliefs and keep going. And everything's going to come along the right way. He was wrong for it, but it hurt me the most because I felt you was my friend. I felt somebody, I came up with it a little bit four or five years traveling with Boosie. That's what I tell you about them fake industry friends.  They envy you. They look jealous of you. They don't want to see you overdue with you. What they doing? I'm the type of motherfuckers.  They coming around on his own time. Now we do got real friends in the industry and we do build real connections, but you know when you got that fake friend who just here temporarily to this day I say the realest person I've ever dealt with is DC young fly. And I don't care. That's one of the realest person I ever deal with come to the city answering phone. He's busy answering phone via busy. He takes me back and call me right back. You know what I'm saying? That's a real one right there, bro.  Can I do the after party? How much you gonna charge for the after party? Let me do the after party. Nigga, I don't want no motherfucking money from you.  That's fine, that's fine. When I man just come through for me and just do the party for me, like that, bro. I gotta pass that down to the next person. That one, that need me like that. That makes me wanna do that for the next person. That's what it's for. That type of realness. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So you don't just take for yourself that inspire me to do that for somebody. That realness, that one situation. You wanna find real people like that because we all coming up. We all want the same thing. We all want the fans and to, but really, it ain't about that. It's about providing. And I did this to take care of my children. You know, I did this to be, to do what I'm doing. I got time. I wanna play video games like I was them last two weeks with my son. I wanna do that every day. But I gotta be out here hustling. If we gonna be out here hustling together, we might as well work as teammates. You don't hear this with country music. You don't hear this with rock. You don't hear this with any other brand but hip hop and R&B. Yeah, that's true. It's like a stepping on each other. Let's step together and then do something. I'm just preaching to dead water.   So like, who is some of your influences coming up? Who do you be modeling yourself after? Who inspired you? Our group of R&B guys, I was raised by women. So all I heard was R&B. So I'm like, you know, Jamie Foxx's. That's why I do a lot of content and I mix R&B with comedy type. My stage set is real funny, but it's still serious at the same time. So Jamie Foxx is really one of my biggest per person people I watch. He wasn't always on top on music, but he was always on top on entertainment period. He's not just a musician. He's a whole entertainer. I see myself as a whole entertainer. I can get online and teach you about one more clothes and I can go sing to your girl the next song or I can get real emotional pain with it. I got a lot of instruments. I can do funny, I can act. So yeah, like Jamie Foxx and Tyrese, I really liked Tyrese when I was a kid, his voice. I mimic a lot of my voice after his. He had that low raspy tone. I really wanted that low raspy tone like his. Real that real soulful pain, pain music. Tyrese is super underrated. That nigga voice is crazy. Yeah, man. And he's extremely funny, extremely intelligent. Man, I love Tyrese. Yeah, man, then like music while I like writing, like I get an argument with my manager all the time cause he wanna be like this. Kelly, mother, super soft R&B artists. I'm not him, you know what I'm saying? I'm more of a street. You know what I'm saying? I'm more like, I liked it. Like man, R. Kelly's been to videos, the do rags on, the beaters. We out there singing and he thugging with the braids. That's, you know what I mean? That's the R&B I give you. You know, like I'm that singer. I'm not the, come on, baby. I move like a rapper. I'm a singer that moves like a rapper. You know, most R&B singers, they move like real singers, not T-Rail, I move like a rapper. Booking me like Booking Boosie. You know, I'm coming with my, with 30 people. We singing R&B and we taking all the females and we gonna have a great time that night though, Dale. You know. I'm just curious. Hey, Lois, why you want them to be cuddly? And what's your, what's your, your MO with that? What you see that he don't wanna see? I look at Chris Brown, he's probably eating the R&B way. There is an R&B lane. Did you understand this? Did he start in Love Records before he started Love Records? There wasn't even an R&B on Billboard. Understand that? So when he was starting Love Records, he didn't have the power and now he changes it for R&B. But for Rail, Rail is all over our R&B. He could be on TV, he could be on TV shows, he could be new, he could do all kinds of other character creations. So the corporate is more, you know, Boosie may not get to JZ level. You did what I'm saying? I understand exactly what you're saying. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I have the potential to get to certain levels. Yeah. And to the other people, we may not be able to get to certain levels doing a certain thing. That's true. But there's rugged R&B singers that made it to those levels. What about Bobby Brown? Yeah. What about R. Kelly? He made it past all of them. What JZ said, everybody wants to be Bobby Brown. But in order to be Bobby then, you gotta be Bobby now. Yeah. Do you know what that means? Right, right. That's true. And bro, do you know what would be expensive? It is to be a real nigga. That's true. It's too expensive to, it costs too much. He telling you right. He's telling you all about your security. Yeah, he telling you right. I'm with Los. I'm with Los on it, but I understand that he don't want to lose his identity. Yeah, that's why you gotta balance it. You gotta just learn how to balance it out. Yeah, so I'll give you them. Okay, okay. Erica, let's go with you real quick. Same subject.  Yeah. But then you had to find that balance, right? Yeah, yeah, I had to find the balance in it. Yeah, because everybody ain't ready. I even changed my name. Cause my name used to be E. Doug Duchess. But if you want to be a star, you need to change that name. I'm like, what changed my name? But then it dawned on me. I do need to change that because I see, first of all, we are very intimidated people. Yeah. Just let it just be honest. That's why I smile all the time. Yeah, we're very intimidated.  And a lot of people, a lot of these people are not talented. They just making them because they're likable. Facts. You feel me? They just likable. So when you have the talent, you have a God gifted talent. I have a God gifted talent. I never wanted to be a comedian, none of this. So when you have those type of talents and gifts, you have to play the game.   You know what I'm saying? To me, because they not where I'm from. They like corner to me.  And I'm like, nigga, that's like, you shortstopping. So I had to check that nigga, but I had to realize like these niggas really not, like where I'm from, they not. They can't comprehend it. So let me just ease myself down and learn how to see the good thing about us. We know how to cope to their world. They don't know how to cope to my world. Our world. So I can get on their level to adjust. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.  I'm gonna always keep it G though. I'm always gonna keep it G. Yeah, yeah. I ain't going too far left. Right.  I do want, I know sometimes. I like, I like Drake. You know, I like, I like how he can still do this and do that. I like Chris Brown. He can do this. Hold on, Drake will get his security to do that. Yeah. And he don't do this. He'll get his security to do that. And they've done it to a lot of niggas.  He'll like, he'll turn his back and then the security will goddamn take you up. Do that. Yeah. Oh, I think, I think you get me wrong. Cause I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm just talking about my, I'm sorry. I'm on the image wise. His image, yeah. Yeah. Like Todd, all the signs get to be a cool R&B nigga. You know? He ain't, you see him different.   I've seen him do it.  It's smooth. Yeah. But I asked Tank one day. This is, I asked Tank, was there, was there New Orleans? I said, Tank bro, was part, I said, write me one of them. The nice R&B songs you be doing. He said, brother. Cause I ain't talk to you. You don't need no good sweet R&B song. You the bad boy. That came out of Tank's mouth. Cause you know my image. You know how, you know how I get down.   I'm the bad big boy. You know what I'm saying? I'm putting my belly on your back. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm taking my shirt off at the show. You ain't about to ruin me. You know what I'm saying? I don't wanna be at the, I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna take my shirt off at the show. I don't wanna be, I don't get my Joda C on. Man, take it off, man. Yeah, take it off. You know what I'm saying? But it's okay. It's okay. There's an on and off switch. Yeah. What he doing, he leaving you, right? Cause I still, people still have to, I got kids. Like, grown kids, they still have to groom. But I make those type of songs too though. I'm very versatile. Yeah. See, you gotta be versatile. See, you know it. You just a little thick-headed. Yeah.  Yeah, I gotta come up with the idea.  No, just gotta let me come up with the idea. Somebody already give you a sample of it and telling you that's the, that's the gift that you have. A lot of people don't get that. They just dry their stuff in or what they crash. If you got somebody to hear that's telling you, hey, don't go down that road right there. Hey, it's okay. Let's just make a U-turn right here. Let's just say I'm the wild one, man. It's okay to listen. Yeah. It's a good balance. Yeah. It's a good balance. You gotta have positive and negative how they balance each other out. Yeah. Yeah, me and my son got a show together called Best Buddies. See, there is my corporate. There it is for y'all. That show has the good side. You know, ain't nothing ratchet in it. It's just me and my son. He has Down syndrome. My name is Jordan. He's a 14 years old now. The show's called Best Buddies. It's on my YouTube. I had it on a network, but I had to fight to get it back. I got it back. I'm not dropping it myself. And I'm about to push for the second season to go bigger. So I'm just really doing this, getting the first season out of the way, because I want people to really grasp what I'm doing. I believe that people with Down syndrome, people with any disability are beautiful people. And some people just don't know how to deal with them. And I'm gonna show the world how to deal with them through how I parent. And show them that they're beautiful people. My son has Downs. He's more happier than I ever be. But he had cancer. He smelled through it. He had a tumor in his right testicle. Smell through it. I'm talking about didn't act like he was hurt, nothing. I mean, want to play, want to go trampoline.  I got cancer. You know, he's, what we doing?  And I feel, I believe that people with disabilities are beautiful. And Best Buddies shows that in each and every way. I don't sense them anything. I used to work with a lot of like, disabled people. Like when I worked at Publix, cause at Publix they hired everybody. I didn't know like people with Down syndrome like the women are so horny. I didn't know that they, yeah, y'all didn't know that they sex drive. It's like skyrocket like high. Not trying to change the subject, but while we was talking about it. We was talking about it. My, no, but I didn't talk about it. The kids, the two, the two clubs. No, no, it just made me think back on the girl, Karen. Karen I used to work with at Publix.  And she thought I use a light toning. And she would try to hunch toning in the, where the boxes and stuff was. It's just my bad, but yeah. And that you told her real name too. And what you work here? I told her about boxes. Oh, right. Well, it was years ago when I worked at Publix, you know, up the, like on the north side, but yeah. Wow, you told us where Publix was when you were here. My bad. I didn't know they sex drive at that high. So get ready for it. It's that. And my son is already. On it. He'd be like, we're my girlfriend. He got a girlfriend. I took him on his first date. I took him on his first date on there. I did Jordan fitness day, which is the funniest episode of all the episodes. Cause he was not listening to the trainer at all. He your only one? He your only child? My own child. No, I have three children. But Jordan, Jordan, he's my, that's what the show about me and him. One of the children on there as well, but Jordan, he, yeah. I took him to play basketball camp. I took him to a basketball camp with Ben Macklemore. He enjoyed that. Ben actually really cool at Jordan. When he had cancer, Ben played a game against the Portland travel lasers with the shoes on and signed them for him. So they tell a story about that in the show. And our doctors in there explaining about the center, like how down syndrome is formed and stuff like that. It's real informational. Children should watch it.  And you always wonder, you always wonder, this show is going to teach you like they regular, they cool. For real. Did you start a new YouTube channel directly for this show or is on your same YouTube channel with all your music? Same channel, all my music. My son deserved them subscribers. Fans can find it easy. Yeah, right there and easy. Just put it, you can make a playlist in your YouTube. I just made it on a playlist and it goes to my subscribers. But Jordan almost had 10K followers himself. I just started his page. The fans really grabbed him really fast. They love him. I got a children's book getting done for him. I'm gonna take him on his own tour when spring break come. It's like 10 cities and let him sign his book and take pictures of what he's saying. What grade are you in? 9th grade? Jordan is 14, so he's in 8th grade. Okay, middle school. Yeah. What's the best part of being a father for you? Yeah. The love you get from, just watching them grow. For real, just like my youngest son, Chris, just to see where he come from, just to see how articulate he gets and the shocking things that they say to you. You know, after you go away for a weekend, you come back, they already learned 10 more things that you didn't even know they learned already. And when I come back and I just see that, it's just like, man, bro, I just wanna know more about you. It's like I get to love and learn my son every time I come home. So it's like, you get a best friend. You get a real person that really is there for you. You yearn for friendship and the friendship is really right there next to within your child if you just give them the time. If you really give your children the time, they're the best friends you ever gonna have. Because you made them, they love you. Nine times out of 10, children's are pleasers of their parents. They wanna please, they wanna do things to please their parents. Eat down to a conversation, how they speak to you. So you got your best friend right here. That's the best part about it, really having a real best friend that you know loves you unconditionally. Yeah, that's true. I say it all the time. I birthed my best friend.  They love you 15, 20 minutes later.  They, hey, mama, can we go to Walmart? I'm sorry, mama, I did what I did. Can we go to Walmart? I'm sorry, you know what I'm saying? Let's say our kids are, that's the best part. It's getting that real genuine love from them. You see yourself in them.  Yeah, I hate looking in the mirror and seeing my dad out. Yeah. Word, word. So let's go back to this R&B money. Are you signed with R&B money? No, I mean, no, Tank just helped me. Tank was just a real one. Got you. Tank just a real one, he wanted to see me win. I took you under his wing. I got a lot of love at Tank. He had found you online? No, what happened one day, I did a, I was singing at this place called Main Stage in New York. And I wrote on Instagram, came none of these army niggas out singing me. You may got more hits than me, but y'all ain't got the voice like me. Then Tank wrote on there, he was like, hey, young brother, I won't retire till next year.  And then we got cool, he started talking back and forth. He made a few vlogs. We started talking back and forth.   Then we just became friends. Just talking, just hanging out. And then I went to LA, I already remixed I Deserve. And I went to the town, I was at Tank's house. And I said, I just played it. And I just sang them up in front of him. He's like, oh, we clearing that. Because we had clearance issues from the first song we did together. That's why I never came out. So we had clearance issues. You couldn't get the clearance. You know, I like the remix. So when I remixed his song, we clearing that. You know, he showed you how it really is. He showed how genuine he is. He brought me on stage with him and Jamie Foxx. He brought me on stage on many shows on some of his tour dates that when he goes out on his spot dates, he shouted me on a breakfast club a few times. You know, he didn't ask for no paperwork. He did that because he wants to see somebody win. Tank really wants to see somebody win. 100%. He gonna push for you. Yeah. So I got none of my respect from him. He can call and ask me for anything. I might call. Oh, so you haven't met Jamie Foxx? Yeah. I'm a Jamie Foxx and taking LA. Oh, that was crazy to me. He brought me on stage and I got to sing with them fellas also. So, yeah. And his voice held up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay. Okay. That was, hey, there's just some time my spirit get to talking. My spirit saying you just stay consistent, stay positive, listen to Lo's over here. Lo's gonna keep going on. A lot of people part ways in this game. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't know what it is, but my spirit saying he don't want anybody the best for you. Oh, for sure. No, no, no. I don't know. I don't know. I got a lot of love for Carlos. I don't know. I listen to him. I listen to him my own time. But yeah, and you, you just don't let these women, I don't know what, there's just something I don't see. I just see something. I don't let these women get you called up.    I love my music too much, man.  That's right, man. And I'm a singer. I sing everything I go through. Yeah, you be careful with that good Koochie out there. Sometimes you gotta switch it up. Get inside that Buddha hole, man. Oh, look here, man. That was Sukie with the good Koochie. Definitely going outside with Sukie with the good Koochie. Holy cow.  Yo, yeah, come on, man. Come on, man.  Oh, no. Come on now. Say that for Jack. You hit me. My butt is open wide. Oh my God.  Man, I just want everybody to find a piece of your heart, love each other. Oh, you want me to sing that song? Yeah. Yeah, I want to hear you sing again. I like your voice. You want me to live in just enough for the city I'm living. Just enough in the new Jack Dweller city. Oh. Yeah. Boom. Boom. Yeah, that was hard. Let's go, baby. Let's take some pictures. Jack Dweller city. Oh.


What's up everybody, Jay-Z here for JaspysCaseRace.com. This is our last filler, six spots in impeccable RMB with this 2021 Chronicles football fat pack break number 19. So again, we'll do the break first, randomize the customer names, distribute the hits out of the pack, then at the end, we're gonna randomize just only the customer names again, and then the top six win spots in RMBs. No, Sam, that could be tonight. I'm here to 11, and I don't mind staying late. So, there's plenty of time, man, it's only, what, 6.30? I'll probably be locked up and busy until like eight, so. We'll have plenty of time. So the top six, top three, sorry, get spots in this RMB, which is the Bill's Patriots, and then the next three get into the Chiefs, Lions, Calvoys, et cetera, team random, or an RMB, I should say. So total top six getting, guys. The top three there, next three there. And that sells out impeccable, so we'll do the impeccable RMBs after this, and then we will do the break. Awesome D-Lo, thank you, man, good luck. All right, here we go, guys. Dice roll it, let's do the pack roller first, two and a four, six times, good luck. One, two, three, four, five. And it was a six. Raymond down to Rosario, six times. One, two, three, four, five, six. Six times. All right, so we're gonna stick to what you got. All right, let's do the Chronicles value. Traylon's, well, Bateman, McDevay Jones, Jaylen Waddle, and a little Tutu Awa. What's up, Tristan, I know, man, that's about to break probably after the impeccable. All right, guys, quick little value pack. Let's switch scenes now. And again, top six getting, guys. Here's the dice, really, here's the customer names. Here we go. Roll, six and a four, 10 times, good luck. Six and a four, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. 10 times, six, four, 10. Top six, get in, guys. Unfortunately, not everybody else. Just missing out was Brian Crouch. Although Brian Crouch, they have multiple spots. Hopefully, you're in, man. Good luck, here we go. Robert Ronco, you're in. Alex, Joshua Butler, Raymond, Steve Herrick, and Steve Herrick, congratulations. So I'm gonna paste the whole list, but unfortunately, only the top six get something. And there you go, guys. So, Steve, you're in for the Bill's R&B, as well as two of them. Raymond here in the Bill's R&B, and then Joshua Butler with the Chiefs' R&B, Alex with the Chiefs' R&B, and Robert Rulke with the Chiefs' R&B. So I appreciate you guys coming up next. Are the impeccable R&Bs and then the break. Thank you, guys.


Although I'm talking about T today, but not that kind of beverage. This is my opening slide from the talk I gave last year in Berlin. It was about trusted boot. It was easy because I just added this. So the talk was about how to boot your Linux system. It was an IMX6 trusted into overall bootloader kernel in the root file system. And to protect your system against offline attacks. That was last year. And this year, we added this opti in the middle, where you can, this is what this talk is about. Yeah, overview. I will talk about the ARM architecture a bit. The ARM trust zone, trusted execution environments, and certain implementation of this, the open portable trusted execution environment, which is opti. So the question, what is a T trusted execution environment for short? It's a method or an API definition to split your application into two parts. One part that runs normal under Linux, and another part that runs in a different sort of isolated environment. Then we are talking about a trusted execution environment. This application in the trusted execution environment, it can be in a different chip, or in a co-processor, or as we will see on the same ARM chip using a technology called trust zone on ARM. In a trusted execution environment, you have two sorts of operating systems. One, your rich OS, or normal OS, Linux, Windows, maybe Android, whatever. And in parallel to this, you have the trusted execution environment, which only executes certain stuff that is signed. This is a limited sandbox, different processor, same processor, and with some isolation in between, and on which this is opti, this uses the hardware assisted sandbox from ARM. So why do we do this? On one hand, on one side, we have the rich OS like Linux. It offers a great functionality, but Linux systems are often targeted by hackers, or malware, or simply code load and rich attack service, so the security of a rich OS is quite low. On the other side, you have the secure element that they call it in the security role, like a chip card, a smart card. This is very limited functionality, usually low processing power, but it has very great security. And the trusted execution environment is something in between. It has medium functionality and much more security compared to a rich operating system like Linux. A trusted execution environment should provide much memory, high processing power, but it's still isolated and protected against attacks from the outside. So let's have a look at the ARM architecture as it's normally used. You have an ARM SoC at the bottom here, in the supervisor mode, the privileged level, their list operating system, Linux for us, and in the untriveled user space, there are other applications. So this kernel has control over the hardware and isolates the apps against each other. This is how a normal traditional ARM system looks like. And then ARM added with the ARM 11 architecture and the Cortexes, ARM v7 and so on. And they added this normal world. This is not an edit, this is the original view. Normal world, as we know it, it's integral. So a completely separated environment, they added the secure world. In the secure world, there exists also the supervisor mode, so the privileged mode, and the user mode, untriveled. And special state, the secure monitor has been added that's used to switch between these two. Excuse me. Yeah? It's impossible to hear how the microphone. Oh yeah, sure. So the trust on an ARM. It's not a crypto-co-processor, it's isolation done by the processor itself to divide the processor into two parts, the normal world and the secure world. One is trusted, of course, the secure world, and one is not. This is a normal world. As I told you, the privileged levels, privileged, unprivileged, we have these. So the secure world and normal world and the privileged level, they are orthogonal to each other. So we can run an operating system with privileged mode and unprivileged mode in parallel to the normal world. The partitioning is done by the processor itself, so it's hardware-assisted. And the way you can get from one mode into the other mode is strictly limited. It's only via the secure monitor are possible. So the trust zone provides a complete virtual system for secure computing. So the processor is the hardware and software is split into two worlds, the normal world and the secure world. And the way to get from one to another is quite limited. The trust zone in detail looks like this. Normal world, secure world. And you can partition the individual parts of the system. For example, in this example here, the normal world has the MMC, the GPU, and the UART. And the secure world has the RTC, the GPOs, and the I2C. You can configure this from the secure world. It has usual access to all peripherals on the system. And you can take it away from the normal world so that it's only limited. Further, you can partition the RAM that the secure stuff lives in one partition of the RAM and the normal stuff has access to a different part. And you can configure shared memory regions. There is a special register where you have this non-secure bit. It's a secure configuration register. When this non-secure bit is one, you are in the normal world. And if it's zero, you are in the secure world. Some registers are banked. This means there are two register sets, one for the normal world, for example, U. So the MMU has two sets on the system, one normal, one for the end-up controller. OK, sorry. So some registers are banked. Some peripherals like the MMU and the interrupt controller said each system has a different look on it and can configure it. So the system designer, when you are using the trust zone, can partition the software and the hardware between both systems. And how these peripherals can be switched between the worlds purely depends on what the SOC implementer had done. This is not specified by ARM. It's up to the SOC vendor. Some controllers, some peripherals support the secure world they know from which world they are called and some not. So this might be a problem. It purely depends how good the trust zone is on the peripherals, what your system designer, your SOC designer had made. This is just, yeah. So the trust zone is a security extension to the ARM processors. It's supported since Army 11. But I think no one is using it anymore. It's on the Cortex-A series, like the 32-bit and 64-bit. And new implementation was added for the microcontrollers. As I said, you have a system-wide hardware isolation, SRAM, DRAM, CPU configuration registers, and some peripherals. And the last sentence you have to keep in mind, the practical usefulness really depends on what your SOC designer has implemented. How to switch between those worlds? So it's a simple diagram like this. During reset, your system comes up in secure state. Then you're in secure state. And there are, as I said, only a limited number of ways to get from one state, from one world to another. To go into the secure world, it's surely hardware-controlled, because you don't want to do something on your Linux kernel. It may be hacked. You don't want to enter the secure world just by flicking some register. So from the secure world to from the non-secure to secure, you go by reset, obviously. What the normal process is, you do a secure monitor call. It's a special assembler instruction. It's analog to like a supervisor call when the user space calls the kernel. With a secure monitor call, the kernel can call the secure monitor and then switch to secure world. So it's a tightly defined, just one assembler instruction to switch between both worlds. And as I said earlier, you can configure your interrupt controller where your IRQs, FIQs show up. From secure to non-secure, it's done by software. Of course, you're insecure. You're trusted. You can toggle this non-secure bit to a return from exception. It's analog to return from interrupt. And then you switch the worlds. Now that we have this technology established, the trust zone, we have a look at Opti that uses this trust zone. So Opti is a trusted execution environment, which is not based on a core processor design or extra controller or secure elements chip. Now it realizes a trusted execution environment by using the trust zone that I just explained. Opti started some years ago as a closed source project by some mobile vendors, chip companies, some telco providers. Since 2015, it was open sourced as VSD license. And it's maintained by Baldy Narrow now, and they own it. And in 2017, so earlier this year with 2.14, the kernel driver to support calling from the Linux kernel into the secure monitor. So to switch into the secure world has been merged to the kernel. And after we noticed this, we had a look at it and played a bit with Opti. Yeah, as I said, it's based on a trust zone to provide the isolation. And it runs on about 20 ARM platforms, 32-bit Army 7 and 64-bit Army 8 processors. This is how Opti makes use of the trust zone. We have this secure monitor here in the middle. It's used to switch between both worlds. So with Opti, you want to write a Linux application and put a certain part into your trusted execution environment this year. So the trusted execution environment defines an API. It's standardized by a global platform. It's this T internal API, how the trusted applications can communicate their C library, their system codes are defined here. And your native application can interact with the trusted application can load it over the T client API, which is also defined by a global platform. Maybe here's a wrapper API that makes us a little bit more comfortable. So these are the user-facing parts. Opti consists of three parts. The Linux user space stuff, Opti client. It's a good repository called this user space stuff implements this global platform API and a helper program because if you want to access the file system for secure storage, so you want to write trusted encrypted stuff onto your file system, it's quite hard to do this from inside the kernel. So this goes over here through the driver into the user space and then user space can write it over a standard Linux mechanism to some storage. Then we have this T driver subsystem which consists of a generic T part and an Opti part. And this has been merged to Linux in 4.12. This should be T agnostic. So you can have the same API here and the same T driver and a different implementation of a T. This is what the idea behind it, because there are several implementations out of three T drivers and T applicants out there, I've heard, and Leonardo mainline this to get everyone on board using the same T driver and the same interface to get your supplicant running. And the Opti OS itself, so the stuff that runs in the secure world is Opti OS. This is a T internal stuff, the C library, so system called, so to say, the API and the secure monitor here. For ARM v7, this is implemented by Opti on ARM v8. I think it's implemented by ARM trusted firmware, so it depends a bit on your actual system. But the idea behind is you have here the same API for your trusted stuff and the API for your user space stuff so that you are independent of the underlying implementation. Because Opti consists of three parts. This is basically just what I've told on the other slide. A normal world user space, the T client library and the supplicant for file system access, basically. In the kernel, you have the T driver and the Opti driver. And in the secure world, you have the Opti OS. And of course, you can only load trusted and signed applications into your trust zone. This is an example of how we implemented the booting of the Opti enabled system on an 32-bit IM-X6. As a system comes up in secure state, you have to get your trust anchor into your CPU. And this is what my last talk at ELCE was about. Just to recap, on the IM-X6, you have your SOC and you have fuses burned into your SOC. And the fuses are used to see if your bootloader blob is correctly signed. So this is a trust anchor from the fuses to the big bootloader blob which holds the pub key. And the signature here is over the bootloader. And then you know when this whole system works, which is done by the ROM codes, you have a bootloader, which has been signed for your system. So you have a running bootloader, which you can trust. And in this bootloader, we have compiled into the binary of the Opti. And the Opti has the next step for the trust chain, has another pub key. So after the system has booted into the bootloader, we have a bootloader running in the secure world. And we have an Opti and we've established a trust chain and then we can boot the Opti. This is how it looks like. Secure world here, reset, then the ROM code runs. We load and check the bootloader. The bootloader starts up. In our example, we have used barebox. Then the bootloader loads the T, which is already compiled into the bootloader. It loads the kernel, the device tree, the init RD, which are all in a single image, which are signed. And then normally the bootloader would just jump into the kernel and the bootloader is done. But here we want to boot the Opti. So we jump into the Opti. And the Opti has been set up to boot the kernel. So you just squeeze the Opti between the bootloader and the kernel. And the Opti will start, initialize, then have a look at the parameters. And notice, oh, there's a kernel. There's the device tree. There's the init RD. Boots the kernel, which has been loaded by the bootloader into the RAM. Kernel runs, starts up. Then your applications run. And then when an application wants to trigger a service from the trust zone, the user space does a call. It triggers down the stack, secure world call, into the Opti. The Opti performs the service, returns from exception, into the kernel, back into the user space. This is how the system comes up and runs. So this is how you get your system running. What you can do with Opti, at the moment, you have an API for secure storage. You can access the internet via UDP, TCP, and TLS. And I've seen some demo applications and a test suite for the global API platform. And I think it's now up to us to implement stuff on there. Please don't do DRM. Better implement some interesting stuff like attach your support for known private key storages to it, like the kernel private key storage or your OpenGPG or SSH, or even implement a TPM solution that's based on Opti. Yeah, what do I want to have from SOC Windows? You need more SRAM, as you see nowadays on processors. Modern R, the iMX6 has about, I think, half a megabyte of SRAM or even less. It's used by the graphics guys. And you have to battle with them if you want to get your Opti running in this. And a point of critique from my side regarding the trust zone. Opti itself just defines the interfaces to access the internet, IP, and so on, and secure storage. But in general, with trust zone, it's possible that you can put your hardware, your GPIOs, your Ethernet controller, whatever your GPU, even into your trust zone. And then, yeah, you should trust that. Today's system of chips are, I think, not designed for this yet, because what happens if you turn off the clock from the Ethernet controller from your Linux system, and the Ethernet controller belongs to the trusted execution environment? Doesn't work anymore. What should you do? Should you move your clock controller stuff from Linux to the trust zone? Maybe then you have to implement some message box system. Please turn on that clock for me, or it's complicated. And you even cannot just copy the code from Linux to your Opti, because Opti has a different license. It's BSD license, and it's not compatible with Linux, so it's complicated. What do you do with graphics drivers? On iMix 6, we just have a fully open source tech line. This is GPL2 license. It's not compatible with Opti. Problem. Let's see what's coming up next. Maybe someone uses it this way. Maybe some people are just doing computation, storage, TPM stuff in the Opti. Having looking at the code from the Opti build system feels a little bit maybe Android-centric, not Linux-centric. It doesn't obey the Linux file system standards by default. I think maybe it's mostly used by Android for now. I think they should make more use of the device tree, which we have in Linux. I've seen a talk or a lots of other sessions about making more use of it, so I think it's a way to go. Because if you have a look at the platform definitions, it's quite some depth in there. If the RAM start is not defined, then I define it to here. And maybe I'm not running in the RAM. Maybe I'm running in the SRAM, which is different. So maybe switch to a K-config or something, or get rid of this and load everything from a device tree. Yeah, this is it. Just a summary, T is a trusted execution environment. Set of APIs to split your application into two parts. Opti makes use of the trust zone. Trust zone is a security extension for ARM to split your processor into two parts, secure world, non-secure world.  Yes, Opti implements a T on the ARM trust zone. Thank you. Any more questions? Yeah, do we have a mic? In a previous slide, you wrote that Opti part was scheduled from the non-secure world. How do you ensure that there is no denial of service? I think this is not handled yet. So I've seen some sessions about, yeah, we should definitely get a fuzzer and fuzzers through scores and IO controls and test it if they are really, really safe. As I said earlier, if you have access to the kernel, you can just turn down the power of some peripherals as they are used by the trust zone. So it definitely has to take care about the service. Thank you. How do you deal with the GPL3 compliance in this case?  So Linux is GPL2 license and Opti is BSD licensed. Yes, but you can burn different fuses or you can into your boot loader. You can not just burn fuses for one pub key, but for different ones. And then you can maybe have an open configuration that you give to your customers that they can put your system. But maybe it's not working. Maybe the proprietary application you are running is not working because it's seasonal. It's not booted from the right key. We have not used Opti yet, but we have used or implemented this secure boot stuff without Opti for customers of us. And yes, they have no GPL3 parts in there. They are very eager about this. Yeah. Any more questions? You mentioned the fuzzing of the API. If the API or if I get code execution in the secure zone then the trusted keys in the example of a TPM implementation is broken. The keys, if I implement the TPM, can I extract the keys if I get code execution? Probably yes, I think so. If you can manage to break in there and execute some code, you probably, but for now, the Opti is running on most systems in DRUM anyway. So you can load everything, boot everything, freeze down your ROM, or analyze it when it's running. So this is why you need more SRAM to have everything in the internal chip, internal ROM. So it's more complicated. I think they even now implemented the paging so that you can swap out stuff from your SRAM to your DRUM, but encrypt it on the way with AES. But I think this makes everything more complicated even. I'm not sure if this definitely blows up your code base. And a colleague of mine asks me about, Mark, do you know? Do they have some kind of formal verification done on the code? But I don't know. I'm interested also. We just had a look at the stuff and put a demo system together after Opti was merged with the Linux kernel. Yeah, question? I'm interested on the aspect of secure storage and how it is implemented in Opti FE. So you brought up this example of IMX6. And probably, as you know, IMX6 also offers hardware-based secure storage mechanism, so each IMX CPU is coming with its own master key, which allows you to use a crypto engine to encrypt blobs of data. They call it black and red blobs. Is Opti FE implementation using this mechanism on IMX or is it just software-based? As far as I know, it's just software-based. And they take different parts, your UID for your application, some nonces, hash it together, some HMAX. And this is how they derive their keys. So I think it's similar to your trust or to the red blobs from the IMX. But I think you have to implement a callback for this that you can get a pair device ID from your hardware in the secure side. So I'm not aware that they are using the Karm, so the crypto engine of the IMX6. We would love to do so for some other projects, but license problems. You cannot copy just the code from Linux to the Opti. I haven't had a look at it. Feels legit, but feeling insecurity is not really a good measure stick. Maybe comment to that question. So in Opti, the intention is that you have on the SOC some way to encrypt stuff in the secure world that the normal world cannot read. And basically on the IMX6, you would use the Karm red blob mechanism for that, but it's just not implemented. So all the normal stuff storing private keys and so on happens in software and Opti, and those then get locked to the secure world by using Karm on IMX6, but that's not implemented yet. But you have the difference between if you're just using the Karm, then your key is somewhere in the kernel, at least, available. And if you're running in Karm, if you're running in the trust zone, or using a trust zone, running Opti, and running in SRAM, your keys will not be accessible from the normal world from Linux, so if your kernel is compromised, you cannot read out the keys. Maybe you can use them to decrypt stuff, but you cannot copy your keys from your Linux system to the internet. On a multi-core system, the trusted application is executed on the core, which is doing the SMC call. Is it correct? And can I execute multiple trusted applications in parallel if I have multiple cores? So when you are calling from Linux user space to into your trusted execution environment, the trust zone just switches the view of the processor to the system, so it's the same call stack from your application to the kernel through the secure monitor into the secure world, then up into your trusted application. And the time, which is spent there, is just seen by the Linux kernel and accounted to your application. And as how they designed the driver, yes, if you have a multi-core system, you can have multiple calls from multiple cores, of course, going through the same driver through the secure monitor into your application. So if I write a T-driver, I have to ensure that I can handle multiple requests to my hardware in Opti as well. So in Opti, it's already implemented. I think it's just about the locking mechanisms are correct so that you don't pull a global lock my Opti stuff lock so that if one core is executing, so if one core is taking a global T lock here, for example, you cannot enter this application, this direction, this system call, or this API call. But it's implemented this way that you can do it for Opti. So you can have multiple cores, a call stack down here, up there executing stuff. Practical question. What do you use to encrypt and put your hashes to the files in the secure world? So if the application writes stuff, they have just an object storage, no file system. They do a write, and then here there is done the encryption and methods message authentication. Then it's transferred via the secure monitor and some shared memory into the normal world, into the kernel. Then into your supplicant. And then your supplicant just gets memory and length arguments and then writes the stuff onto your file system. So the encryption is done here. It's written down here. What you can obviously do if you have root access, you can just delete your files. I don't know what happens then. But has this interface about RDBMs, this replay resistant file storage on MMCs? Has this been merged to the kernel yet? I don't know. I think they want to attach this special storage on MMCs or EMCs here so that your supplicant can write to this memory. Glad that I started earlier. What is the status of virtualization of this whole system? Yeah, good question. I have skipped this for simplicity reasons. The virtualization, if you, what's missing in here? So this is user mode, kernel mode. And on ARM v7 and newer, you have the PL3, the hypervisor in between here. So you can just run a hypervisor on this and have multiple KVMs running. So it's autogonal again. On ARM v8, I think they even used the hypervisor call. This is implemented a bit differently here on ARM v8. But it's autogonal to hypervisor. If there are no more questions, I say thank you.


Welcome. This is Melissa Armo, the stock swishing and reviewing here at the market. We are waiting on the Fed decision, which is in about 40 minutes, less than that. Market's going to wait all day until that happens. It's going to happen pretty soon here. We'll know what they do. But I want to go back to one of the reasons why trading options is advantageous is you can capture an overnight move in the stock or the market with limited risk, meaning that if the trade doesn't work and it goes against you overnight, you will only lose what you have at risk. One contract, 10 contracts, whatever the amount of money is that you have at risk versus doing swing trades where you have essentially unlimited risk. So I called beautiful call on Thursday here the 9th, the 409 spy puts that expire on the 17th, which you could still be in them. They were up so much, you could still be in them. And I just want to show you here the gap down that we had Monday where we open it was 379. This was almost $30 in the money on the open and then dropped down to 373. Just a crazy, crazy, crazy move 123 from that call. And I've called other calls here from Thursday to Friday. But this just really shows you how you couldn't have screwed this up.  And actually you could still be in the trade, you'd still be up in the trade even here now. Although taking a train that you're up so much in several hundred percent return investment and holding it through something like a rate decision, I don't think that's a good decision in my mind. So you have to learn to take profits. But again, getting back to the point of this video today is it's very advantageous to capture overnight moves when the move goes in your direction. So we did spy puts and the market fell. Again, it fell through the strike. The strike was 409. Okay. It fell immediately the day that I called it down almost to 400. 401 and change was a low. Follow through here. Really big, broke 400. And again here, even more. So will you always get a perfect, perfect exit in every trade? No. I think that everybody should have been out of this, like I said, within either Monday or Tuesday. Today is Wednesday.  This could go even further. Today is only Wednesday. It doesn't expire Friday. Again, the idea is to make money. Do good. Make money. Do as good as you can. If this continues, will I regret having gotten out of it? No. It was a fabulous trade. And chances are we'll do new trades. What they will be calls or puts, I don't know. I don't know. I never knew they'd get up in the morning. I see the gap. We didn't do anything new today because it doesn't make sense going into the rate decision. But the market did gap up today. Did gap up today was green at one point. Tried to lift. We'll see if the buy the dippers are going to come in here. But my point in today's video is that it is very advantageous to do options because you can capture overnight moves and some of those moves can be big and huge. People always ask me, how do you make more than 100% in something because you're in it, you're in the trade. You're in the trade and it gaps in your favor, whether bullish gap up or a bearish gap down, it gaps in your favor, you're already in it and it gaps in your favor overnight. You're in the trade because you took it because you're on the newsletter that I offer that people can sign up for at $69.99 a year. You took the trade when I called it. You got in the trade and you went to bed and the market closed at four and then you got up the next day and it moved in your favor huge. That's it. That's how you're going to make more than 100% return on investment. And it will happen because it does happen because of the way that I call trades so well and so accurately. So it's one of these things where you kind of have to make a decision whether or not you want to day trade or do options with me. A lot of people want to do both. I like doing both but if you don't want to do both and you can only do one, work with whatever goes with your schedule or the size of your account. So if you have questions, email me at Melissa at thestockswish.com. If you're interested in the GAP Options newsletter, email me at Melissa at thestockswish.com. If you're interested in learning my GAP Rating System and Method, email me at Melissa at thestockswish.com. The next class for June is June 25th and 26th. Don't miss it. It's the last class before Aaron's season begins in July and that's when you want to learn and trade and make money. So if you have questions, feel free to email me and we'll see what the rate decision is in 34 minutes. Have a good day everyone.


I love this place. I would have hoped that I left my mark here but anytime I get an opportunity to come back it always feels like home. It's been a journey for me. This is a very special group of guys that we're joining and putting our hands and beating the cement here. It's a really special day for me. I'm just so thankful for it.


It's very, very good to see you all tonight. It's so awesome that you guys made it. I see a lot of new faces. Thank you for coming. We really appreciate you all tonight. And we're about to hear some great, great things that God has done in some people's lives. But before that, I want to just tell you four main points why we have to bring a public testimony. And first of all is testimony gives glory to God. Jesus once said that give God what belongs to God. And that thankfulness and glory, those are two things that belong to God, to nobody else. We have to be always thankful to God. And when Jesus healed 10 lepers, and only one of them came back to thank him. Remember that story? Jesus told him, you are made whole. And so when he came back to thank Jesus and give glory to God, Jesus told him, now you've been made whole, not just cleansed from leprosy, but made whole. And the second reason is testimony, public testimony defeats the devil. In Revelation it says that we overcame the enemy by the blood of the lamp and the word of our testimony. We all know that devil already been over, he was overcome and he lost at the Calvary when Jesus died on the cross. But today, as we testify to other people and give glory to God, we remind him that he continues to lose every single day in the lives of people.  And the third point is testimonies. They encourage other people's faith. We have to give public testimony because somebody will hear your testimony and the person may connect themselves to that and find themselves in a similar situation and say, if God did it for that person, he can do it definitely for me. So the sense of hope and faith rises up in people. And the last and fourth why we have to give public testimony is it opens the door for more miracles to come. Testimony is like an apple with a seed inside for more and more apples to come. Okay, and right now I want to call a few people for a few testimonies. First person can come, please. Let's clap for her. Please tell us your name and where you're from. Lena Tonacliff from Pasco. Okay, Lena. What was the problem that you were struggling with? For a long time, I had really bad acid indigestion and acid reflexes, so my throat would always hurt and feel like I was going to throw up, but I never did, so it always just was a constant pain. For how long did this pain was going on in your life? Probably about two months, and it just progressively kept getting worse. Okay, have you been in search of solutions for this problem? Have you gone to doctors? No, I just tried taking Tums and antacid sort of pills. Did those help? Only temporarily, and by temporarily I mean like an hour or so. And then pain came back, right? Yeah. So what happened after that? What happened? How did you get healed? Well, I've been hearing a lot about the testimonies of other people, and I really wanted just to be done with this, so I went and asked Vlad if he could pray for me, and Vlad and you prayed for me, so what happened afterwards? Probably about maybe three seconds afterwards I felt healing, and I didn't feel that pain anymore. So let's clap for Jesus!  I think last week. So it's been a week, you have no pain whatsoever? Nope. Okay, praise Jesus. Awesome, thank you so much. Let's hear another testimony. Tatiana, please come over here. Please tell us your name and where are you from? I'm Tatiana, my name is Tatiana and I'm from Tri-Series. Great, Tatiana, what was the problem you were struggling with? I had a problem on this ear, I couldn't hear very well, so I was kind of like deaf, only on this ear. For how long was it going on? Maybe for six months, maybe. Six months? And so you could not hear at all? Not at all on this one, but only at night time. At night time? Okay, where have you been in search of solutions for that? Well, I didn't go to the doctor or anything, so I didn't do anything. Okay, and so what happened, how did you get healed? Well, we were playing at our home group two weeks ago, I think, and we had the problems and I said that I had this problem on my ear, so Ania, she prayed for me and then that's how I got here. Wow, this is so awesome. One of the examples of what happens on the home groups, guys, we have to attend home groups. Great, so hold on, hold on.  Oh, like two weeks, I think. It's two weeks. Okay, awesome. Thank you Tatiana so much. And now Trisha, would you please come? Hi. Tell us your name and where you're from. I'm Trisha from Walnut's basement. Tri-Cities. Okay, great. So Trisha, tell us a little bit. What was the things you were struggling with? I had financial issues. What were the issues? I had no money. No, I was being attacked. I would get tickets upon tickets and I ended up in like $3,000, $4,000 worth of debt. So what happened then? How long were you struggling with this? Since I graduated from high school. And it's been? Jeez, put me on the spot. About five years since I graduated from high school. Okay, so what happened? How did you get break through? What happened? Tell us a little bit. Jeez. A few years back I got prayed for during I believe a night prayer. And then that's when I stopped getting pulled over by the police. And then after that slowly, my financial situation began to change. And I was able to find a job and pay off my debt. Great. And recently, I think in the middle of last year, my five-year-old baby blew up my car. And then it seemed like the financial problems was coming back again because I had no car. And then I didn't really have enough money to pay for another car. And then I believe I got prayed for again. And the next day, a wonderful blessed couple decided that they were going to listen to Jesus and give away their car instead of sell it to somebody. So I ended up getting a free car. Awesome. Well, thank you, Jesus. And we thank you, Trisha. And we have one more testimony. If Asha, would you please come? Let's clap for Asha while she's coming down here. She has really, really awesome testimony. So tell us your name and where are you from? Asha, Tri-Cities. Asha, okay. What was the thing you were struggling with? Tell us, please. I was diagnosed with lupus. And it was attacking my internal organs. And my body was rejecting all medical aid. For how long have you had this lupus? I've had it all my life. But it got really serious in the last couple of months. Okay. Where have you been in search of solutions from this sickness? Lots of doctors. Every doctor I could find, specialist all over the place. Okay. I know you mentioned to us when you went to doctors. So doctors gave you how many weeks to live? It was in December. They only gave me until the end of December. Wow. And what happened after the prayer? We actually had prayer line here, prayer with anointing water. And what happened afterwards? Afterwards, I've noticed a change in my health. I've actually been able to return to work. And I will eventually be able to return to school within the next couple of weeks. Wow. This is just awesome. Asha was not supposed to be alive last week, right? Doctors said. And she's standing here. And now she actually goes to work. This is awesome. Thank you, Asha, so much. Thank you.