Way before y'all decided to start hating on Drake just for attention, I led that charge. You did it when there was no attention. When there was no attention. Damn, you did it when it just hurt you. When I was just doing it with people, you thumbed with eyebrows, you know?   I'm not a contrarian or I'm just, it's really, maybe I am, but I don't mean to be.  Quite the contrary. Quite the contrary. Quite the contrary. Charlamagne the God. Andrew Schultz. We are the Brilliant Idiots podcast. Back for another week of Brilliant Idiotness. Today's episode is brought to you by Squarespace from websites and online stores, the marketing tools, and analytics. Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. There are no hidden fees or price hikes and all websites are optimized for mobile. And it's so simple. Start with a design template and use drag and drop tools to make it your own.  Let's start the show. Hezzy! What's up, baby? I need a sip of water too. Fuckin' over your choking. Eat that goddamn protein cookie before you started the show, man. Shit. How was your week? We had a lot of folks like the stairs. I know, I know. We gotta get the elevator fixed. It's some things that we gotta figure out over here, man. How was your week, man? Dude, I had a crazy takeout the other day. What you mean? You like food? Yeah. What kind of takeout? Sugandese. I had... I'm a gettin' God all week, y'all. I'ma tell you something about Brilliant Idiotness, man. I'm a gettin' God all week. I'm a gettin' God all week. Somebody got me at the Mental Wealth Expo so crazy. No!  No! What'd they say? You know, it's at the Mental Wealth Expo, so he come up and be talking. We talkin' about somethin', somethin', and he goes, yeah, man, I tried to get in touch with... He said, I know, he said, I met one of your interns named Licka. I'm like, Licka? Licka who? Come on. I know, that was so... He was like, Licka, he! Oh! No, but that's fuckin' cause at the Mental Health Expo, like, everybody's bein' vulnerable, you wanna be there for them. So you trust everything they say. Comedy show, bro. Oh my God. You know what I realized, man? I realized that people, if you're listenin' to me so long, they know I don't take too much serious. They know I would much rather laugh than anything. And so most conversations are that. I'm actually uncomfortable when the conversation's way too deep. There's nothing we can't talk about that you not gonna tell me a joke can't come out of this in some way, shape or form. Fair enough, fair enough. And he got me. He was like, Licka, he's nut. In front of people, it was just one of my... Me, my wife is secure too. Oh, that's fire. Oh, that's fire. And all I can do is laugh, man. You know what I'm sayin'? So salute to him. And to do... I had my dude from Hip Hop DX too. I think his name's Jeremy. Look that up, Taylor. Jeremy from Hip Hop DX, the white dude. He got me on the red carpet or the green carpet of the BET. Yeah, remember you tellin' us.   Why y'all actin' like these jokes ain't new? No, but it's back. It's definitely back, man. It's back, bro. And I'm glad it's back. I used to be good at it.  I'm not good at catching it. And I'm not good at doin' it. Cause you were too excited when you do it.  What do you mean? I'ma be like, man, you heard Drake do album? Somebody be like, nah, Drake, these nuts, just because. You know what I'm sayin'?   Yeah, that's my guy. That's him right there. That's him. Yeah, that's him. That's him, Jeremy.  That motherfucker got me. He got you good, huh? Oh my God, he got me good. We need that video. We need that video. Nah, he got me good. He got me good. What else happened this week, man? Well, you tell me about the mental health expo. Oh, the mental health expo was amazing. Mental health expo was amazing. My third annual mental health expo, man. It's slew to my guy Carson Daly. You know, Carson... He came through? Yeah, Carson was there, me and Carson opened it up.   You know, cause he lost his parents really young. And it's just like the beautiful thing about the mental health expo and what I tell people when they ask me what I want people to learn from the mental health expo is simple. I want you to learn early what I learned late, you know? And I just want you to get started on your healing journey. That's all it's for.  We got breakout rooms for people to go do yoga and meditation, stuff like that.  And the best part about it is free.  If you say that you want to provide a service to the community and you say you're giving something to the community and you want people to learn about a certain thing, find a way to do it for free, especially if you already got it. If you already eaten and you tapped in, you know, with different corporations and things like that, how come you can't find a way to give services to these people for free? Yeah. So, you know, I can't wait until next year and just not even just next year, me and Stiles P was talking about this because Stiles P was on one of the panels too. He was on the Healing in the Spotlight panel. Okay. You know, just different people who are in the industry who are trying to heal in the spotlight. And we were talking about how like, we got to start bringing this to the people. You know what I mean? Like he got like pharmacy for life and juices for life. So now you bring like two therapists to juice for life, pharmacy for life and you just tell people in the community to come. Just pull up, you know? Because nine times out of 10, all you just need somebody to talk to and, you know, get you started on the right path. So. Absolutely. What's pharmacy for life? I never heard that. Pharmacy for life. He got juices for life, which is just the juice. Pharmacy for life is herbs and oils and... Oh, so. Natural homeopathic medications.  Why you got to be all like... This is what you're supposed to be. He's a little bit of a homeopathic, you ask me? I don't know. The guy's a little bit of a homeopath. I mean, style T, your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. Favorite rapper. I'm just saying, he likes... The other time in my life, I used to listen to D-Block and I just used to want to stab somebody with something sharp. That's fire, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's correct.  I had to stop. What was your song that made you want to be most violent? Oh my God. The one... Breathe easy. Breathe easy. Oh! Now, if you know Jay, I've never been to Brother the Front. I be in LA wearing any colors I want. Rock guns like shirts clock under the pump and I put something hot and any one of you chumps. And I know a few of you wanna get my watch, but it'll be funeral if you get my watch. There ain't nothing you can do to stop the locks. Well, run up in the gun show. Cop the top shelf. The crack game's dead. All they want is weed now. Bitches that I went to school with a seed now.  I don't recall something, something to write in your rhymes.  That's a fireball. That is a fireball. It ain't just so finesse with it. Just make you want to cut something, man. Dude. All right, Taylor, let's play a little game. Why do you keep calling it a game? Because we want to play a little game, man. What is it? By any means, by all means necessary? Man, let's just get to it, man. Did you listen to Drake's album? Not in its entirety, pieces of it. Did you listen to Drake's album, Alex? I got through half. OK. It's pretty long. We don't have to listen to a whole album to judge it.  It's 2023 with thoughts. I mean, I was saying this on flagrant, the pressure of being on the top is you have to be number one or it's a failure every single time. There's only one direction you can go. That's an insane amount of pressure to be for about a decade. He's going to be number one. 450,000. Of course he's going to be number one. But I think what happens is when people are on top, we start looking for reasons why they shouldn't be. And when people are coming up, we start ignoring the reasons why they're not on top and looking for reasons why they should be. So it's a way more difficult position to be on top because it needs to be perfection because everybody's looking for the little cracks. They're looking for what's wrong with it. So I think a lot of people are going out there and they're like, OK, why is this song not good enough? Why does this one suck? If he was a new artist that just dropped this album, everybody would be like, yo, this dude is next. So yeah, I'm a little hesitant. I'm a little hesitant. Now, most people don't understand that pressure because they've never been in that situation.  Exactly. So it's easy for them to just knock, right? Because they don't know what it's like to be on top. And also, when you're on top, you can't cry about it, right? Because nobody relates to you at all. There's five people that have ever been on top. That's right. And it's easy for you to knock because you've been tired of seeing this person who went for so long. Now, let me tell you all what I've learned about myself and I have to talk to my therapist about this. Let's do it. Something's totally wrong with me. OK, in what way? Because I've been consistently hating on Drake for 13 years. You know what I mean? Not 13 years. It was hating the beginning. Then it became fair criticism in later years. You're like, I lean. I lean back so you get so long. You got it. Goddamn, you got it. You got it. You got it. Oh, God. That was good. That was good. That was sitting there. Good, bro. You know what gave me that one? Your shoes are silly. So I was like, ooh, I think I could do something with lean. I lean? Oh, God. OK, go, go, go. Here's my thing. Damn, bro. Now that everybody is criticizing Drake's album, the way I feel like I've always criticized his music. You wanted to defend him. I have. I'm like, no. I feel like the criticism is unfair. Devil's advocate to a die. Devil's advocate to a die. This is how I really feel. I'm looking at all of this. And I'm like, I feel like this criticism is unfair. Because to your point, this is just another Drake album. He could have titled this album more of the same. So what is different than what he's giving you now, than what he gave you last year, with the 2011 album? You like the last one? What happened with the certified love of war? And they named him the biggest artist in the world. Come on. Even when people were saying they didn't like, honestly, never mind. Listen, I was like, yo, it's elevator music. But I didn't mean that as a diss. I meant that as if I'm in a luxury hotel, like the SLS Beverly Hills, and I walk in, I can hear this stuff playing. You know what I mean? I can get on the elevator and hear this album playing. I actually like ties that bind from honestly, never mind. I actually like sticky from honestly, never mind. I can say that wholeheartedly. Okay? So all I'm simply saying is, why? Where were y'all when I was hating on Drake 13 years ago? Oh wow. Where were y'all when I was hating on Drake 13 years ago? Honestly, I'm more concerned about all the people you celebrate. Yo, if Charlotte's riding for you, it might be a problem, bro. It really might be a problem.  No, I'm not. I do think that this criticism is unfair because I don't know, it's everything you said. This guy's been on top for so long that people are just, and by the way, it happens to everybody in any industry. Human beings don't like when someone's in charge or someone's on top. For too long. We have a natural primal inclination to drag them down. I don't. No, I know maybe you say you don't as an individual. I'm just saying there's a reason our system of government in America, which was something that rejected royalty where one person was in charge all the time. We had a new system of government where it was like, nah, someone could be in charge for a few years and then when he yanked that motherfucker out of power and put another one and he yanked him. And what do we do with every single president?  This is what we do. We love the underdog. We love to come up stories.  Oh, don't separate yourself. And you've never seen anything like this. You've never seen a guy who's been this dominant and rap for this long. The only other person that we've seen like that is Jay-Z. And y'all did the same thing to Hove. Of course. I'm 45 years old. I remember, I was there. I remember when Hove retired after the black album.  You know what I mean? You need to retire. Dipsett was coming at him. Everybody, like everybody had something to say about Hove. And he just put his head down and kept doing the work. Kept pushing. And I expect Drake to do the same exact thing. He's gonna put his head down and keep doing the work. Now, the only criticism I think is valid. People who are saying they want something deeper. We said this last week on Brewery Natives. We had this conversation last week on Brewery Natives. What does that mean though, deeper? That's what I'm trying to understand. His version of a 444. No, no, that's not deeper though. I would argue that that is... Mature. Evolved. Yeah, but what if he's not at that stage? Exactly. He don't have a wife. He has a kid, but he don't have a wife. Maybe, yeah. He's not having these long-lasting loving relationships. And he's not in his mid-40s.  That's what the music will reflect. Yes, we're acting like 444 didn't come out when Jay-Z went into the mid-40s. Now, a better comparison is Mr. Morale and The Big Step was, but don't act like y'all were writing for that album when Kendrick dropped it. I love that album. I'm on records saying that is gonna go down as one of the most important albums in hip-hop history. You know what y'all say when that album came out? Oh man, it's too deep, man. I ain't there yet. I'm not there yet, Joe. I'm not ready for that. Exactly, that's exactly what they're gonna say. Or if you know, Jay Cole put something out, right? What's the criticism? Oh, when Cole's naming his next album you know why? Because he know what y'all motherfucker's gonna do. He's on top of it already. He know what y'all gonna do. But I'm just saying, like there's gonna be a criticism for everything. And I think it's more of a function of like where he is in the game. And less of a function of the art he's put in out there, right? But here's the other thing. You can't be upset at the criticism.  The cost of being Michael Jordan is everybody's gonna be going, magic was better, bird was better. This guy ain't the greatest. The cost of being LeBron right now is you going, Steph is actually better. He is. Exactly. The cost, right? The cost is always people trying to say why you shouldn't be exalted and in the position that you are in. That is the cost that you have to pay when you're on top. And if you're not willing to pay that price, then you won't be in that seat for a long time. You're absolutely right. And that's why what I say the criticism is unfair. It's not the criticism or the music. I think the critique of him personally and all of that is a little bit like, all right guys, come on now. But what are they saying personally? That he's not growing up then he's hanging around. You don't even care if he's grown up or not. Like you're really sitting at home going like, oh man, I sure wish that Drake had a loving relationship right now. Nobody cares.  Here you are loving and singing. Somebody said to me over the weekend. There are some people that are saying that. Somebody said to me over the weekend, they said, man, I've never seen, I've never seen this kind of critique on the album. I've never seen this many people not liking an album. I say, yeah, it's because you've never seen an artist like Drake. This is rare air that he's in. And what you said about Braun is absolutely right. Drake and Braun get critiqued the exact same way. And you never will appreciate either one of them because we keep comparing them to spirits. Michael Jordan's a spirit at this point. Jay-Z is a spirit at this point. You also got to don't confuse people's addiction to attention with legit criticism. Like there are people that are addicted to attention. Come on, talk about it shows. And then the way that they get the attention is by having the take that most people will gravitate towards. The Drake economy is real. That's of course. Meaning if I have a negative take about Drake, it's gonna get retweeted, it's gonna get poached.  It's amazing. This guy's been on top of the game for 10 years. That's right. And the motherfucker got bars. And he can sing. Nobody's clicking view. Nobody's clicking watch. The problem is, and maybe it's a problem, it's a good problem to have is that once you get famous there are views in criticizing you. And people will take those views. So you got to be careful. There are people that actually have legitimate claims or they just have a legitimate addiction to attention and are willing to say whatever will provide that attention. And don't question me on that cause I was doing it 13 years ago. Way before y'all decided to start hating on Drake just for attention, I led that charge. You did it when there was no attention. When there was no attention. Damn, you did it when it just hurt you.  Yes. You know what I'm saying? When people are like, who's Drake? And you're like, exactly. You thumb with eyebrows, you know.   You did it for the love of the game.  Top of no views. Top of no views. For the love of the game, for the love of the, you know what, that, for the love of the game. He looks like, you know what? Now this is the perfect foil. Ooh. Canadian. By ratio. Hmm. Oh, this is easy work. You know what I'm saying? That's what you were thinking at the time. At the time.    What? By the way, by the way, and it's so funny. I salute to my guys, Top Dog and Punch. I wanted to go see Sizzler's show this past Friday. And we was all in the suite. And Top was reminding me and telling my wife, you remember when this motherfucker told us Kendrick wasn't a star? I say, I didn't say Kendrick wasn't a star.  He didn't at the time. So all I'm simply saying is I'm equal opportunity across the board. It wasn't like I was just picking on people. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't just picking on one individual. I had a cultural critique of everybody who was in the game at the time. I'd never critiqued Cogus, Cogus from the Carolinas. So you protected him?  Yeah, that is great. What's the problem?  It's so great.  What about, it's so good. What about P.D. Pablo? Legend.  What you talking about?  Okay, P.D. Pablo, shout it out North and South Carolina. Shout out to P.D. of goddamn Pablo. So that's really all it takes is that Drake really never shouted out the Carolinas. If he shot out the Carolinas, you think you would have had his back? No, you know what's interesting? Debbie Dev put me on the two things. Debbie Dev put me on the Kendrick. I'll never forget it. This is 2007. I don't remember what project it was. It was in section 80 or something before that. She put me on the Kendrick. She put me on the Nipsey. She put me on the Glasses from the Lones. She put me on the Bishop Lamont. Strong on Steady Gang. So I literally did like all of those individuals from the West Coast. But like most things, I don't know why I was wired like this back then. If I heard something get too much praise, I did not want to be involved with it. So even though I liked Kendrick a lot, when people started like praising him and the next guy and everything else, this is a form of attention seeking. I'm like, yo, he, this is a form of attention seeking.  Yeah, yeah. This is good that we're coming to this. Call it out.  But this is good that you're having an honest moment. I think we all are guilty of this. Yeah, absolutely right. Sometimes our need for attention forces us to say things that maybe we don't exactly believe. It wasn't even this attention. It was just like, why? Okay, it was like, I like him, but come on guys, everybody relaxed. But guess what? Kendrick really was everything everybody was saying he was. Yes. And even deep down I knew that. Yes. There was something in me at the time that would not allow me to say it. Now I have no problem celebrating him. Yes. And I'd say he's the greatest of the generation period. Sherman. Same thing with Drake. I did this as well. Okay.  More serious? More serious? You were serious?  Everybody was like, this guy's the worst.  This guy's the worst human being on earth. I knew that though. And there was a little part of me that was like- I always say Andrew's a natural contrarian. Yes. I always said that. I think you need to have that in your brain to be a comedian. I'm not a contrarian though. I'm just, it's really, maybe I am, but I don't mean to be.  Quite the contrary. Yo, you know what's so crazy? Even with Drake, I'll never forget who put me on the drink. Who put you on? Sasha Delvalier. Wow. It's the truth of my good sister Sasha Delvalier. This had to be 2010. And when did So Far Gone come out? Nah, man. I don't remember. Huh? 11? All right. Maybe it was 2011. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. Huh? 11? All right. Maybe it was 2011. I remember her letting me hear So Far Gone. Sasha liked So Far Gone so much that I refuse to accept how good that music was. I was like, he's all right. What is this? And you know the record I really loved off that album? What's that? Successful.  Was it brand new? I don't know. I think it was brand new. But my point is, being that she was so on it, and then I started hearing about this project so goddamn much. I just got that. Fall into home. I just got that. We put that up there. That's good. Is that you? That's good. So being that everybody liked that project so much, I had to find something that you hated about it. Because if you notice... What does that say about you? Listen, when you go back to my critique, I never did like the singing though. That's a fact. I never liked the singing. But I always loved when he rapped. When you go back and you look at my early critique of Drake, it was never about music. It was about the color of his skin. That's it.  You waffle colored Negro. Oh my god. It was never about the music. The only thing I would ever say about the music is I don't like when he sings. I like when he raps. Why I try to be the next Trace songs when you can be the next Jay-Z. That was it. Everything else was just straight. Insults.  How do I feel about who, Drake? Yeah. Well, it's different now, right? Because I've got a lot more information. And first of all, I'm going to always respect consistency and longevity. It's hard to be on time for a while, man. You've never seen no run like this in hip hop. The pressure breaks people. That's why you see these guys use drugs. It's not like they were drug addicts before a lot of times. They're coping with the anxiety of success. You see this in Hollywood. You see this in music. You see this in anything. I imagine you can see it in politics. They just have to numb themselves to the anxiety that's coming with the massive weight of this responsibility. Letting all these people down that what is it called? The imposter syndrome that they might feel. Maybe they're not as good as they think that, as people think they are, and can they live up to those unrealistic expectations?  Phenomenal. And I think music is therapeutic for him. And that's why even when I see him doing this type of stuff, I think he's keeping it light on purpose for all of those reasons that you're talking about. I think that over time, we're going to get that deep music from Drake. And then they'll hate on it. You know why it's impossible not to? Because he's really an artist. Yeah. So it's impossible for an artist with his skill set to not do that eventually. I just hope he or any artist does it when they want to do it, not when the critics are pushing them in that direction. But he's already done it. I know, I know. He was doing it early. I know. But he was the vulnerable emotion.  He was the vulnerable emotional. I think he's the most emotionally tapped in. And he was doing it all that early. Because now maybe the industry hardened him a little bit. I guess what I'm saying is just create because of what you authentically want to put out, not because of what the critics are saying. And I think a lot of artists that want praise and validation often gravitate towards what the critics are saying about them and then try to satisfy that. But you're never going to satisfy them. Ever. Never. The only way you could satisfy yourself is by creating authentically. And if that's what he's doing. Then that's beautiful. I have no problem with it.  If this is the album that you want to put out, the only time you should feel bad about an album not being well received is if it's not the music that you want to put out, then you feel horrible.   And you know what's so amazing about this? I heard two songs off this album. I haven't listened yet. You haven't even... Boy!  I heard two songs. Two.   I heard the record with Cole and I heard Bendo. Those are the only two.  Bendovers. You can take this. Come on. Come on. Come on. Son. Son. Son. Son. Son. I didn't hear that out. How do I know it's that song called Bendo? Son. Son. Son. Son. Son. Son. Son. Son. Can we get that clip? You haven't even heard that out. Come on, yo. Yeah. You're not taking nothing serious, tell us. He's been emotional, right? He looks great like this. Thanks. What is different? I just put it up in a bind. You didn't add any? No. It looks fantastic like this. I'm gonna pull the mic towards you. Why are you leaning over like that, yo? Okay. Him being emotional back then. Fantastic hair. Can I ask my question? Thank you, I appreciate it. Yeah, just say thank you. I said thank you. I said thank you originally. Truly women can't take confidence. They really can. Unless they come with a cheese stick. What do you mean, she lied? Wait, you got extensions in? I lied about what? She's saying that it's not all you really. My hair was like this last week though, so I'm assuming. I'm just saying the style looks great on you. Thank you. You're very welcome. It's so cool. Thank you. If he was emotional back then. Taylor, you ask if she added any.  That's added here. That's the deluxe version. Can I ask my question? Yeah. You got a question? If Jacob was emotional back then. Yeah. That was in deep for y'all. He was talking about his emotions. I just said that. I was going to say that. So why are people saying I want him to be deeper if he's been deep before? No, they're moving away from me. Yeah, they got that 20 years. If you was like that at 20, what are they expecting you to be at 35, 36 years old or whatever it is? It's just people looking for someone to criticize.    If he wants to, you know, tap in it. That's the other thing that's kind of crazy. Why are we mad that he's tapping in with younger artists? Yo, not even that. Like, you still listen to Old Drake. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Old Drake comes on, you're still singing. You got the grounds that you're singing. So it's not like you don't like that old music? You still feel whatever emotions is in old music?  The one critique I have is that he has such a talent for bars, like he spits, and it's like I didn't get none of that. Like he's barely rapping on it. I heard the 8 a.m. record. That's probably the 8 a.m.  Yeah, I don't I don't even think that's on the album. I think he just I thought he just threw that. I don't know. I'm going to listen to it though. No, but that's not much rapping on the album. And that's the thing. It's like I was looking forward to hearing him rap and I didn't get that. When has Drake rapped a lot on the album? But he'll give you both. This is like really like mainly an R&B album. Everything I heard was him rapping. And those are the three songs. You happen to hear the three songs with him rapping. Yeah, but you only listen to half. Yeah, because it's I can't even get through the rest. Oh, that's hate. My only critique is that he should have just gave Sexy Red that goddamn record. That shit's so hard. Which one? Hand on your knees, hand on your knees. That shit's so goddamn hard. She kills it. Adonis kills it.   How do you do that? That should have just been Sexy Red and Scissors Record.  And by the way, let that be Sexy Red and Scissors Record. We just by Drake, whatever it is.   You don't win no panties. Oh, that's what it is, right Taylor? Huh?   I do. I'm good, yo. I'm done. I'm done. I corrupted Charlotte. You know what I mean? This is crazy. I don't know what happened. Charlotte went full frat boy.  But this guy is too much. He's too much. He just says he identifies as a person with a pussy. What color is it? Is it pink? Pink. You got that pink pussy? I'm out of town. I'm talking with my rounds. Question though, if you're Drake, what do you do? Can I just ask one question? Yes.  Yeah. You've heard it when it gasped for air. Oh. Whoa, dude. What is that, a quiff? A quiff. That's a quiff? Yes. A chief quiff. Why are you calling it a quiff? A chief quiff. I thought it was quiff. Why are you calling it quiff? Chief quiff. Quiff, quiff, same thing. Just a pronunciation thing. If you had Drake, do you care about any of his criticism? No.   OK. Is it, do you dapp up your man afterwards, like he did it? Or did? No. What happened is this, especially if he's pounded it, it's just a lot of. Damn. Yuck, Taylor.  Yeah.  You're almost sister, yo. You can't say he's pounded it. Jesus Christ, man, your dad is alive.  Holy moly.     I'm not even alive.  We need to mark that, yo. That is crazy.  That is crazy. If he's pounding, what does that mean, pounding? Mark that so I know exactly what the times that we tell Taylor mama listen to that. That was crazy just now. What does pounding even mean, though? God damn. I'm just. What is pounding it? Because I didn't know if I pounded it. Jesus Christ. Can you pound it from the bottom? Started from the bottom, now we queer. What? Get queer.  Can you pound it from the bottom? Can I be on my back, pounding it? Usually this happens for me, like, from the back, but. Taylor. You said giving is right around the corner. How you going to explain it to your daddy? I'm on a spiritual journey, so what I remember about it is that it's from the back. That doesn't sound like it was from the back. I thought you came from town, town. Yes, it does sound like that. Yes, it does. I haven't had sex in months. In months? What would you tell your dad? You should say never. Stop. I've never had sex. Me and my dad have real talks. Oh, do you tell him that you get pounded? Pounded. How real is the talk? I don't think he gets that.  Like, dad, guess what? I got pounded Monday. I would never say that. I would you. What if he asked you? You don't say positions, do you? No. I heard you on his podcast talking about getting pounded. Yeah, pounding is crazy. Pounding? Don't you all like the sound of that? No. I'm sorry. Why? I'm out of town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. I'm out in town. What does it mean that y'all do that? Why is that weird? This has a meaning.  I care just enough that people are talking about it. One thing that he did, I thought was interesting, he posted the criticism that he was getting for Take Care. So let me ask y'all this question.  I'm a radio personality. Alex, you don't care what you put on your body because you clearly just subscribed to your own rules. My point, what I'm saying is, if you listen to the opinions of others, you won't be you. So if Drake would have listened to all of those people back then telling him about Take Care, he wouldn't have gave you if you're reading, this is too late, and what else came out after that? Nothing was the same. You gotta be the captain of the ship. You gotta be the captain of the ship. You can't continue to listen to all of his criticism because what you motherfuckers- You know better than the people, yes. What can they tell you when you've been on top for 13 plus years? The people ain't creating the music. They're riding the wave.  So what you saying before, you gotta be the wave? You gotta be the wave, not a surfer. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yo, this week alone, and I told y'all this was gonna happen last week on Idiots, the whole Billboard charts is gonna damn near be Drake. I think they said 17 of the top 20 songs is gonna be Drake. And he's doing 450,000 in a week. So who you supposed to listen to?  Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So what are you supposed to tell people? What am I supposed to tell myself? And those songs that y'all said was wack.  So who am I supposed to listen to? Yeah. I don't think people are saying it's wack. It's just they didn't get what they were expecting. Like he was like- What were you expecting? Like when you hear- This sounds like the same Drake from what I heard from three songs. This sounds like the same Drake that you've been getting. Not really. Like we didn't have none of those hard rap songs. Like we wanted a few of those.  Out of like, he has like 25 songs in his album. It's like, it's a really long album with very little rap on it.  He did that with 21 though.  But that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So it's like now I bet you the next album is going to be rap, rap, rap, rap, rap. And then he pleases everybody. He pleases the people who like it for R&B. When do you come back? He's already taken a year off. Do you come back immediately? I wouldn't. If I was Drake, I'd go produce Sexy Red. I'll go executive producer, Sexy Red project right now. What'd you say? I don't think he could do it though. I feel like he likes to stay relevant. Do what? Like, take a hiatus. I don't know, man. The criticism seems like it's bothering him though. No, it doesn't. I've never seen him react this much to album criticism. I'm glad you bought that up, Alex. I don't think it's bothering him at all. I think it's marketing.  And he's been around for 13 years.  Y'all been shooting at me all these years. Why can't I say something back? That's the thing I hate about people, right?   You sensitive. So what are you? You sensitive. You talk about me? Exactly. What are we? What are we if we're constantly talking about him and critiquing him? Are we not sensitive? No, we're not. But if he puts a heart in, you don't like his album. That's sensitive. And by the way, Drake been doing this. Drake started it. He started it with Elliot Wolfson. He was actually doing it a little bit before. Oh yeah, yeah. But he got it, Elliot. He got it at me. He got it, you know, that's what he's doing. I have no problem with him shooting back at the people who have something to say about him. There's more clicks and views and talk about the album when he responds to somebody on social media. Then there are when an article is written about pitchfork or something like that.  That's it. Like with that 1.80 AM and Charlotte video. He hasn't put out a video for the project, no nothing.  You ain't even seen a digital thing that says in stores, October, wherever it came out. It was all just chatter. And if you're tapping into the young crowd, you go do what the young motherfuckers do. Young motherfuckers is always clapping back. Young motherfuckers always got something to say to somebody.  He's playing the game. Okay? That's what I said. You know what I'm saying? And you know, my OVO check clear. Yeah. Yeah. How much did they pay? It's good. What? My booty whole brown. My booty whole brown. The underwear's not brown.  Oh, everything's. I know I got paid by OVO. I don't want that to be out there. But you should believe me when I'm lying. I do believe you're lying. But I just don't know what's wrong. I just hope a girl said that I pounded her once in my life. Oh my God. I hope that a girl described it like that. I think about stuff like that. What do you mean? I do. I think about stuff like that. He pounded it out.  Oh my God. He pounded it.  You hope somebody be like, yo. One time.  He pounded me out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what this is, pounded me out. You just said it. I said when I got pounded, not pounded me out. It's two different things. That's even crazier, yo. So you tell your girls you got pounded. You tell your girl that you got pounded. What I'm pounded is crazy. I feel like I just said pounded. When I'm talking to my girls, I don't say that. But you never had a guy pounded from the bottom, though? Because that, I do feel like I've done that. Pound it from the bottom. Now you quit. No. No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. A straight pounding from the bottom. I think you can straight pound from the bottom. You just lay on your back. Yeah.  It's so lazy. Because I got a perfect angle.   Lay on my back. I grab by the thighs right here. Let's go. Rock them. Let's go. Rock them. Let's go. I heard that point. Tell me, real question. Hop off. Never my stomach. Your dad is listening to this, Taylor. I don't care. I heard that listen. Hop off, never my stomach. Taylor. I heard that doesn't do anything for you. I never had a guy do that. Wait, tell me, I heard that doesn't do anything for you. Lift you off, bust on the belly. What doesn't do anything for you? Will you tell me what doesn't do anything for you? When you're just rocking. What you mean? Talking to the microphone, Taylor.  Yes, when you rock on the dick, that's when you guys come.     Hey, count me. Wow. That's something to drink, sir. That's what y'all wanted from Drake. So that's what y'all wanted. That's what y'all wanted. That's the growth. That's the post that y'all needed? Pound man. Hey, y'all, hey, stop lying about growth. Y'all don't like growth.  Oh. You know what I'm saying?  They did. No, they didn't. I don't know. Yes, they, the people you're hanging around with. You ain't got pounded once to the album. How you known? What kind of trauma are you going through if you got pounded to Mr. Morale and the Big Step? No, we're having deep conversation, and then, you know? There is one song you probably can get it off to. The Stylin' Hill joint with Kodak. The Girl with the Girl? Which one with the girl? I don't think about the one with Kodak. The one with Kodak. Stylin' Hill? It's got a cool, smooth little beat. No, but you can't pound to that.  Who wants to pound? Darkness. He's going to hit me. You guys are crazy. His crickets. I don't know what to do with Metallica, bro. You got to listen to Metallica. I do listen to Metallica, man. Please don't, bro. Dude, bro. Metallica's like white bone thugs. I listen to Metallica.    Name a Metallica song. For what when you know I'm lying? Why would you ask me to do that when you know I'm goddamn lying? You know what I'm saying? Why couldn't you just let me tell the lie that Metallica's a little mean face? Metallica's Instagram page takes the clip.   Ask him to name one song.  That's my bad, yo. That is my bad. You do know Nirvana, though? I do know Nirvana. And you know Guns N' Roses? I do know Guns N' Roses.  Hell, yeah? Yeah.  It's another group I like, too. Fucking, um. Don't even try it. You're so bad. I know, I know. Come on. I got it. It is. It is. Unbelievable. How bad it is. It's unbelievable how bad it is. Dude, you are really a grandfather, dude.  That is unbelievable.  You might as well. Oh, hey. There you go.  Hey, I got my thumb. That one slaps. To your love down. The thumb, the thumb to hide in the thumb slaps. Let's pay some bills, Taylor. I got your nose. You got to do God's will. God's will. God's will. You got your nose. You got to do God's will. You ever do that? Yeah. My nose is so big, I can see it like that so nobody can ever take it. Maybe try to take my nose as a kid and I just be like, nah, that's just it. I see it. I see it, pops. He was lying.  Taylor don't want us to pay no bills, but Taylor, I'm going to be honest with you.  Really? You don't think that Steve Harvey means your funny? I mean, they're hilarious, but they're just AI memes. Yeah, I don't know if we could talk about it. They're just funny. Shout out to the goat, Steve Harvey. And by the way, it's all funny games until, you see that picture? Oh, go back to that one picture. You see that picture? Not the wiggle door, that one.  Not the monsters. Go back. The one he's like drinking the drink. Now, look at that picture on the right where it's the bottle of Hennessy on the ground. Look at the position he's in. He's like in a plank position. Hey yo. His head is up. His mouth is open. It's all funny games until they AI somebody back there pounding them. It's all funny games until someone's putting that British currency in you. That's what I'm telling you, man. That was good. What is British currency? A pound. I ain't going to explain them all. I ain't going to explain them all, yo. Okay. I ain't going to explain them all. Yeah, this AI is too much, man. Why do people have this kind of time on their hands, yo? And what kind of weed are y'all smoking that y'all sitting around and say, hey, I'm going to put Steve Harvey running from monsters. I'm going to spend my Friday night making Steve Harvey. And by the way, I can tell once you make one, you're probably laughing so hard that you keep it going. Yeah. Because I'm not going to lie.  I'm going to tell you why I thought they was real because Halloween is coming. I thought he was doing some type of Halloween promotion. Oh, you thought he actually was part of the show. Yeah, I thought it was like some family feud with Halloween promo. That's funny. I really thought it was like some family feud Halloween promo.  I mean, this is hilarious.  This is hilarious. I mean, Steve, Steve got to go as this for Halloween.  Like we just did. Yeah. Seriously.   How's Lean? Has anybody here tried Lean before? Nobody? Let's pay some bills. Why are we getting all quiet? Because you hit me with a Lean one earlier. No, no, no, no. He was drinking Lean in the ad pictures. Yeah, I saw that. And I've heard of Lean and everybody seems to tell me it's really good, but I've never... You from Philly and you never had Lean, Taylor? Excuse me? No.  Pancakes and syrup. I only heard about that because of Lil Lean. I don't know nobody that had it. What was Beanie Segal's song called? Purple Rain? What was it called? Segal had a whole song about it. What's Lean mixed with? Well, I mean, Sprite, Codeine, and Promethazine. And Liquidee. It's just like... It's like his brain doesn't understand it. It's his brain. I got to set him up with a few at the beginning of the pot so he could take it and then...  He's so excited. He's so excited. I've never seen anybody more excited when he thinks he's got it. And he's yet to get it. We really need to help him. Oh, my God. 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Maybe he doesn't. I don't know. Do you feel confident to talk about it? Talk to us, Chris.  Well, Chris is also Jewish. What does that mean? He knows what's going on. Actually, Chris is the first person I hit. I sent Chris the article and I'm like, what are the global ramifications of this? Well, the global ramifications are different. I think that you hit it on the head right here is there's a weird thing that's happening right now and is very confusing where there seems to be a celebration of people that have been massacred, murdered, children that have been murdered, women that have been murdered. I mean, like, innocent individuals. Whenever innocent people are killed, this is nothing to celebrate, nothing to be happy about. Absolutely. Yeah, it's incredibly tragic and sad, whether that's on the Israeli side or the Palestinian side. And the Lord knows it has happened on both sides and it's disgusting in both ways. But I don't understand what's going on where people feel like this is something that they should celebrate. This is something we should be disgusted by as human beings. You never want to see innocent life taking, especially children.  Like a seven-year-old has nothing to do with that occupation.   So you cannot celebrate that, and you cannot put that responsibility on them. It's like the seven-year-old is a casualty of a war that's been going on way longer than he's been alive.  And any time these innocent people on both sides are killed, it is disgusting. So there's this weird, like, celebration around this that is incredibly uncomfortable for me. I think that we should all be saddened by this.  When an innocent Russian dies, we should be sad.    Could you explain it to those people, basically, like, would you celebrate? If other people in another country were celebrating 9-11. Exactly.  How do you not have no empathy for that? And then I can imagine what Jewish people are going through right now, where they're just like, we're sitting there like, why are people happy that this happens? I don't get it. Now, I also, I understand what's going on on the Palestinian side, where they're like, oh, now you talk about it. You know, when our kids have been killed, when our kids have died and are innocent, nobody talks about it. Now you're talking about it. So I understand their frustration with that. I understand their frustration for the occupation. I understand their frustration for the situation that is Gaza and the West Bank right now.  I thought they was at war for 75 years. I thought they'd been at war. Yes, yes, 100%. So Chris, this is what I need you to explain to me. Oh, but just real quick, just real quick. So I also think that there is this side. There's also, okay, while there's, while there are people that are celebrating what just happened, right? On one side, there are also people that are completely ignoring the circumstances that have led to something like this, right? It doesn't justify it at all. There's no justification for killing innocents. There's no justification for murdering children. Never, never, none. Case closed. I agree. None, okay? That being said, to ignore the situations that cause these types of things to pop up is also willfully ignorant. Do you mean to ignore the last 75 years? No, nobody's ignoring it, but they're pretending like this is an isolated incident. Like how the hell could this happen? And it's like, it should never happen. There's no justification, right? Ever. There's none for what happened. But to ignore the course of events that led to this is also unfair. So I'm like so confused by the reaction to this, but I imagine there's just so much anger and vitriol on both sides because of what they've both experienced.   I don't want to see either side celebrating. That's bare minimum as humans. We could just not do that today. That's what's confusing to me because if this has been going on for 75 years and then this happens and then I saw Israel declare war, I'm like, well, I thought they was already at war. Yeah, but I guess maybe, I don't know, now you want to fill us in? Well, I mean, I would start by saying that I agree with Andrew with what you just said. I mean, I think one of the most kind of dangerous things about this moment is I'm seeing a lot of people basically saying you have to pick a side. Why? There is no middle. And I'm here to tell you, I'm in the middle, right? Like, it's very dangerous to say that you're either on this side of it or that side of it. Well, middle is weird, right? Well, okay, maybe middle is the wrong word. Yeah, because I think middle is where it seems like you're okay with what Hamas just did. No, of course not. I mean, what Hamas just did is horrendous crime against humanity cannot do it. All I know is I'm watching the TV on mute and all I see is bloodshed and murder. I don't know who's who. Never justify it.  Never justify it. And then somebody says, this is not happening in Israel.  This is happening in Palestine.   And I think the danger is this brings out the most tribal instincts in people. Absolutely. And I'm guilty of that. Look, I've always considered what's happening to the Palestinian people to be a form of occupation or even apartheid in the most extreme. It is. It's not even a form. It is. I've always felt that way. And even when... Which is tragic. Which is tragic. And it makes me very uncomfortable to be associated with that as Jew. I mean, one of the reasons I've never gone to Israel is I feel uncomfortable about the situation. And to keep in mind, there are a lot of Jews that share your sentiments about this. Sure. In Israel. There are Jews that do not... Oh, Israel was a fractured society up until this weekend. And I think that's... Why? Because basically, I mean, not to get too into the specifics, but the current government, Netianu's government is very right-wing and has really doubled down on the far right, the local extremists in the Israeli population. And the left, there's a fight over the judiciary, but it's really more like the struggle of the left versus the right. And there's... And there's... Jews are like, we don't want that. We don't want that. We don't want the concept more. We don't want this. I mean, we were talking about it within the context of Drake earlier, but I feel that contrarian impulse as an American Jew, because I feel that if every Jew in America just kind of says, we support Israel a thousand percent, because the people running Israel are humans and they make mistakes and they institute bad policies. And there has to be a voice within the Jewish community that's pushing back at times against it. And I think that's healthy for Jews. I don't think that's a self-hating Jew or anti-Semitic. I think that's part of a natural balance of things. No, I think that you can be critical of your governments. People are not their governments.  That's the beauty of America. Exactly. And it had been the beauty of Israel. So I think the tricky thing, obviously, when we're talking about Israel specifically, is they're like, do you support Israel? The knee-jerk reaction, obviously, for Jewish people is, do I support a Jewish homeland? They go, well, yes. But do you support Israel can also come with every foreign policy that's attached to it? Do I support America? Do you know someone who loves America more than me? No. But you may not agree with America's current administration. You might not agree with America's current policies and legislation. By supporting America, I'm holding it accountable. You don't support America if you're not holding it accountable. If America is falling or failing the values that it's supposed to uphold, then you're not supporting America. You're supporting this bastardized version of itself. I don't support that.  And American democracy. Absolutely. They gave us a constitution that said, this is what it is. And it better work for everybody. That's right. And if it doesn't, I'm vexed. That's right. So I can see that there is somebody that believes that there is a Jewish homeland, believes in the state, but is also critical of what is going on right now in Gaza, what has been going on in the West Bank. Sure. And all of my friends that are Jewish or Israeli have that sentiment. What happens is once war, once there's a bomb drop, once there's family members that are murdered, it's tribal, like you said. The second we're attacked, let's say me and Alex are on the street. Second somebody punches one of them, it's not like, well, what led to this? No, it's go time. But that's right, though. I think human nature, that's your natural human reaction. That's right. It wouldn't be like that.  Talk to me. I woke up, unprecedented, you know, missile strikes from Gaza. In my mind, I'm like, yeah, well, this is what is going to happen when you have people locked into a situation like this. This is inevitable.  Then I start seeing the footage, the images of the AK-47s in the mouths of someone who looks like my grandmother. The kids, my cousin's in Israel with his family, right? The family slaughter, they look exactly like my cousins. You can go on and on. I saw them for raiding this woman's body. Young girls who look like my nieces and nephews, clearly being abused.  I'm like, let's go. And it's a very dangerous moment because of that, because even someone like myself, who's always been, you know, way to the far of one extreme on that, now feels like I gotta defend. I gotta fight. Because it's life or death. And in life or death, you can't be rational. You have to do what you have to do to survive. So there's no time. It don't matter who's right or who's wrong. You're trying to survive. It's life or death. Straight up. It don't matter who started what, how it started. When you're trying to survive in that moment, let's go. Exactly. But then the rational part of me has to step back and say, this is a life or death moment. How did we get to this life or death moment? But that's a privilege of being in New York. Sure. But that's also a choice. It's not just a privilege. It's a choice. I wanted to go live on a kibbutz in Israel after I graduated college. And I decided not to because of this reason.  And maybe that's a privilege to live in America. And to what you were saying also about like the emotion that goes through in these moments where you're not able to add context to the situation. It just further drives the rift, right? Right. So it's like now there can't even be a situation where people are coming to the table and there's this negotiation. There's this conversation. I mean, to be fair, there's no negotiating with Hamas. Hamas has one clear goal. They're like, no more juice. I feel bad for the people because they are being manipulated by forces. Far right in Israel manipulates the Israeli people. Hamas, which I guess you could call far right in Palestine and Gaza and what have you. Like, you know, I can't speak for... And it's easy for Hamas to manipulate the people within Gaza because of the dire circumstances that they're living in. The more difficult your circumstances, the easier it is to motivate you for something better. Right? I mean, like...  Yeah, man. This is just so tragic. It's just so tragic. I think the moral of the story... Well, I don't know if there's a moral to the story, but from an American perspective, just from a people's perspective, I'm really talking about social media right now. You don't have to have an opinion on this. You don't have to plant a flag. You gotta take that down. No. It's okay just to say it's tragic. Or you can... Or feel conflicted and feel sad. I think any normal person has multiple opinions about it. Sure. I think a normal person be like, listen, it's horrendous what the Palestinians have gone through and have to go through. Right? That's horrendous.    Yeah. That she's saying Hamas threatens to kill... For every bomb that's dropped? Yeah, kill somebody for every bomb that's dropping. They can't... The girls scream.  This is what has me really... So you can feel upset. This is the most concerning part. Israel in particular doesn't play when it comes to hostages or they'll go to the mat even to get the bodies of a soldier who's gotten killed. The idea that there are 150 Israeli citizens in Gaza right now and that my concern is not only what happens to these people but is it broadcast essentially because they've taped a lot of this stuff. Well, it already is, right? Those images outside of the human cost, those images, it's gonna do a lot of damage to a very delicate situation and that's when I start worrying on a global scale. Like what could this turn into? You think people will start doing stuff in America? I'm concerned about that. You think Palestinians will start trying to do stuff to Jewish people? Jewish people here? I'm concerned about that. I mean, they've already been fighting, man. Like you've seen it. I think it was Toronto. You saw it in Times Square. Israeli tourists were killed in Egypt. Nobody covered it because it's lost in this. But an Egyptian police officer shot up a bus of Israeli tourists the other day. What? No, I don't... Was it a bus or they were on a private tour guide and they shot the tour guide and both of the tourists? I thought they were in the bus but the pictures made it...  This has the potential to go to a lot of really dangerous places. And once it starts happening in those other places, man... It's very complicated. You never know where the truth is. You're kind of always in the dark on this. And you're not going to find the truth through war? No. You're going to miss the war? Oh, no. Because right now it's just all about survival. Oh, no. You know what I mean? All right, man. Let's pay some bills, Taylor. Let's pay some bills and reset peace to everybody, man. Thank you. Yeah, let's take a break, man. Squarespace, today's episode is definitely brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is the all-in-one platform for building your brand and growing your business online. Stand out with a beautiful website, engage with your audience and sell anything, your products, content you create, and even your time, okay? Squarespace makes it easy for creators to monetize their content and expertise in a way that fits their brand with member areas. 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If you want to get to pounding, you know what I mean? If you really want to hear them... Is that what Taylor said? It sounds like? I wouldn't know. But if you want to hear it, you've got to chew it up. You chew it up, chew it out. Blue Chew. Same active ingredients. It's inside Viagra or Sea Alice, but this is the chewedest one that we rock with. Okay? You're going to get your first month free. All you got to do is pay $5.00 shipping. Think about that.   Okay? You get your first month free. Just pay $5.00 shipping. Now let's get back to the show. I saw somebody do a Blue Chew challenge. I don't know what podcast it was. Hey, no way. I promise you, somebody popped it. It was only a clip I saw, but somebody popped it, and then I guess they flashed it later in the podcast.  I forgot what podcast it was.  Chris Rock to direct Martin Luther King, biopic Steven Spielberg to produce. Now, Universal Pictures is gearing up to tell a definitive cinematic biopic about the life of Martin Luther King Jr. The studio has optioned the rights to adapt Jonathan Ease critically acclaimed biography, King of Life. Chris Rock is in final talks to direct and produce, and Steven Spielberg will be executive producer to film. We will be produced by Amblin Partners with Kristie Maas, Makasoul Krieger serving as producer along with Chris Rock. King of Life has been a big bestseller and has been nominated for the National Book Award. It had been held at the definitive biography of the civil rights icon Dr. King for its use of previously untapped sources that include newly declassified FBI information. Let me go on record as saying this is going to be the best Martin Luther King Jr. biopic of all time. The reason I think it's going to be the best Martin Luther King biopic of all time is because Steven Spielberg does amazing work. We know this. Chris Rock. I know y'all look at Chris Rock as a comedian. Chris Rock is one of the smartest people you ever want to meet in your life. Chris Rock, I believe, is going to tell the story of Martin Luther King Jr. after the I Have a Dream speech. The more radical version of Martin Luther King Jr. You know what I'm talking about, right, Chris? Right. The more, just Chris Moreau talking like Chris Rock. But the more radical version of Martin Luther King Jr. The anti-Vietnam War that united the people together. The one who America didn't like. They never really liked him, but the one that was so polarizing. America didn't like him because they thought he was, you know, what was it, Chris? I feel like I have integrated my people into a burning house. That part too. I mean, I think it became... Yeah, the reason it became dangerous is because it didn't just become about racial rights. It became about the economy and uniting more people across racial lines and protesting the war in Vietnam. The real question is, who will play Dr. King? It's not Chris Rock. There's someone you know who has stated many times that his single, most burning passion in life is to have this role. Who is it? Tyrese Gibson. He's advocated for playing this role. I can guarantee you that Chris Rock, nor Steven Spielberg are going to cast Tyrese Gibson to play Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I just think Chris did that to bring back to humor because of what we just was talking about. I mean, I've had this discussion with him personally. It's not happening. All right. I have a dream. No, you don't. No, you don't. I have a dream today. No, you don't. No, you don't. The Tyrese. No, you don't. A Fast and Furious fame. No, you don't. And other movies will play the great Martin Luther King Jr. No, he won't. One day. You don't want to have this. Baby Boy can play Martin Luther King. I knew Baby Boy could do it. No, he won't. I think Baby... Who's going to do it? I don't know who's going to do it, but it won't be Chris Rock. I mean, Tyrese Gibson. Channing Tatum. What's your question? Who would be the best white guy to play Martin Luther King Jr.? Travis Kelsey. The Snow Crab King. The Snow Crab Lay King, baby. All right, King Snow Crab Lay. Travis Kelsey. Bro, they thought we called it out. King Snow Crab Lay King. Did y'all get message when he hurt his ankle? Yes. They thought we called it out. We called it concussion though. Yeah, we called it. I thought we said concussion. We said get hurt.  We said he was going to get hurt. Yo, we called it. We called it. Yo, did you hear the conspiracy about Taylor Swift? This is fire. What's the conspiracy? So Taylor Swift is an environmentalist. She really cares about the environment and it's one of her causes. She also has a private jet that she flies around. Obviously, it's more convenient for someone who's famous as her to fly private. She can't exactly. She'll shut down an airport. Absolutely. But she is into the environment while she flies private in a private jet. And that is used as a criticism because private jets are going to pollute the environment way more than any straw or plastic does, right? So people are saying that she went to this football game to distract people from her private jet usage. Yeah, but she probably flew a private jet to get there. Wait for it. When you Google, two weeks ago, when you Googled Taylor Swift Jet, what do you think came up? Hilarious. Now, when you Googled Taylor Swift Jet. Hilarious. Her at the New York Jets game is what comes up. Now she can't just go to that game. So because then people know what she's trying to do. So that she goes to the game before and this game. Go. Taylor's so crazy. What she, what she, what she do. It shouldn't be private jet. She said jet. So she's going to go to a 499. 49ers game to disguise her mining interests. Exactly. Okay. Nobody's going to actually type private. No, it's just Taylor Swift jet. Exactly. Done. Done. No, no, no. The conspiracy theory is what come up. That's right. We on it. Oh, see, another one. Taylor Swift conspiracy theory goes viral. Same thing. That's what I'm talking about. Did Taylor Swift, Vulture, did Taylor Swift attend the New York Jets game to detract from her private?  That's right.    You're supposed to be Swifties, bro. I shouldn't have even said that. You're right.  I don't understand why y'all mad at Taylor Swift riding the private jet, man. You wanted to get where she's going swiftly, don't you? Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Listen, Alice, did you see your girl, did a open letter to black women? Who? Who? My girl, Kayla. Oh, yeah. Kayla Nicole. What she said? She did it at my studio.  Pull it up, man. That was WTF wasn't it? I was in here. That was. She did an open letter to black women and said, can we hear it? Can we play something? Can we play some of this? She misses that white chocolate. It's beautiful. She misses that white chocolate. Can we play some of this?  But what happened? You think he dignitized her? Let's hear it.  Digmatized? Hypnotized. Oh, dignitized. Yeah. Kayla here. Really important for me to use my platform, not to create division, but to elevate and unite women. Black women specifically. So I prepared a letter and would like to share it with you today. It says, you deserve the backlash and embarrassment. They may call you a traitor for falling in love. You'll hope the ones closest will protect you, but you will quickly find out that people don't protect what they don't value. They'll say you're too much. Too provocative. Too boisterous. Too outspoken. And in the same breath tell you that you're not enough. Not successful enough. Not wholesome enough. Maybe not even intelligent enough. Because of your blackness, you should have known better.   Your value is deep within your heart. The way you love, the way you give. Your value is in your resilience. Your willingness to forgive. The way you protect what means most to you, even if it hurts you along the way.  But black girl, respectfully let me stop you there because you don't have to participate in this tumultuous, often one-sided journey. Preserve your heart. Even when they try to quantify your character and test your boundaries, you do not have to engage. You do not have to respond. Because there is power in your silence. And you can use that same power to silence the noise and the self-doubt. Silence the voices within that want you to give in to this demoralizing and antiquated narrative. Tap into that power. Because I know, girl, the rage of the world is loud.  And your tribe is stronger.  And when you finally find the strength to speak your truth, it is your voice that will help you. Because black girl, let me tell you, you're not in this alone. And even though sometimes I, too, ask, why me, I'm reminded that this, I'm reminded that this, I'm reminded that this, I'm reminded that this. All of that for the king snow crab leg? Imagine coming home from a game, you got three concussions, your knee hurts, your ankle hurts. That was beautiful. But just imagine that. Is all of that for Travis Kelsey? Because to me, that's not something for all black women. She should talk to black women who are in interracial relationships. Direct those questions to Taylor. She started it off by saying that.  Poor Travis. A black woman who dated a white man. We don't feel bad for Travis? No. I don't understand how was this directed towards all black women? Can we just talk about Travis for one minute?  I understand she started off like speaking with her. This is all about the king snow crab leg. Oh. Yes it is. You can relate to other stuff. Sure you can. But this is because of the backlash she's receiving because she used to be Travis Kelsey's ex. I'm sorry. So what though? Sorry, Travis. Because of the backlash so she can't respond. We got two dogs. Over the king snow crab leg? She was getting attacked by your Swifties. Oh. Kayla.  How? She said oh he cheated on me. He's just trying to not have a poetry. When did she ever speak out about him? She did. She immediately spoke out. She absolutely did. When? I didn't see that. She absolutely did. I didn't. She absolutely did. I didn't see that. You're talking about another black girl he dated, not her? No she didn't. Kayla Nicole. What are you talking about? No. She is beautiful. That's probably awesome. Travis Kelsey is a cheater. No she didn't. Where did she say that? She did. She did. Now I want that every bit of money in your pocket. That everything. Google Kayla Nicole speaks out against Travis Kelsey. That. Don't talk to us about Taylor Swifties. Come on y'all. She's Swifties over here. Dang, dang. It was probably y'all friend that spoke out. No, no, no. Chill out. Chill out. Google Kayla Nicole. She did. How many of these poems you think Travis had to listen to y'all? Son, you are. Awesome. I'm pulling up on the screen so we can see it. It's about what she just did. We just watched. No, it did not. That's a lie. That's a lie.  Google. It did. No. No. See, Kayla Nicole says Travis Kelsey cheater. Pull that up. Oh my God. Kayla Nicole says Travis Kelsey is a cheater. You're not even spelling right now. Is she even, me and Taylor talked about this? Wait no. Says Travis Kelsey is a cheater. Yes, and a narcissist, that too. That wasn't her. Yes, it was. Go to the headlines. It was never cheater. It was cheap. Yes. Travis Kelsey accused of cheating for a month. Oh, wow. Click on it. Yeah, by ex who? Kayla Nicole. No. No, it's not. No, it's not. What's going on? Why can't I see this? Travis Kelsey accused of cheating for a month by ex-girlfriend and dating show winner. Yeah, dating show winner. Oh my God. She's not off. She's not on that. Yep. Kayla Nicole, his relationship with fashion influencer and journalist, Kayla Nicole. But she wasn't on the show. Am I on drugs? Hold on one second. Travis Kelsey was accused of cheating in 2017 by ex-girlfriend, Maya Bamberg. Exactly. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? No. Hold on. Don't get mad. Keep them back that same energy. Look how embarrassing it is right now. Let me tell y'all something. What are you talking about? Let me tell you something. No, don't try to do this whole thing. Are you going to listen? No. Y'all got to listen. Are you going to listen? No, no, no. I want to apologize first. A white man is speaking. A white man is speaking. A white man is speaking. You know the problem? I need to be listened to. No, show me. Do not do that. Do not do that. Don't try to turn it because you got caught lying. You know the problem with this? You know the problem with this? This is the problem. You know the problem? This is the problem. Y'all believe in me when I tell y'all that I'll be lying. You never believe. Y'all believe. Y'all believe. Y'all believe. I never believe you. Every time. We didn't talk about it. I knew it wasn't the whole time. I wanted to make sure y'all knew what y'all was talking about. Y'all believe. Excuse me. Listener, if y'all run it back, y'all can hear me. I was most saying that. I was listening to her. I was listening to her. Shelly, where's our apology? Just apologize. A black girl just spoke talking about how we gave. I would never apologize. Unvalued and everything else and you just can't apologize. I would never apologize for something as trivial as this. I would never apologize for something as trivial as this. You don't uplift black women any more in this podcast. That's crazy. That's crazy. I'm all about uplifting black women. That's crazy, Josh. Dr. Umar Johnson needed to proof read that open letter. Okay? Omar Johnson needed to proofread that open letter and tell Cal and Nicole, don't make this about all black women. Right? This is about black women.  This is a message for them. Wow. That's crazy. That's the truth. That's the truth. I understand where it sparked from, but at the same time, that's how I say, you can take that music with it. You wouldn't know. You never dated a white guy. You never dated a white guy. This is not about you.  I want to say this to black women. You can be all that without dating the King Snow Crab Lake. All of that stuff, Cal and Nicole. Yes, you can. That is you. But you don't have to date a King Snow Crab Lake and get attacked by Swifties to realize that about yourself. I don't want to date you. Don't do that. That's not what she realized about herself and everything. So why she didn't do an open letter like that before? She didn't have to do an open letter, but they were like, she's. Were you about to say she has? No. I was going to say that she has to spoke about her blackness, though. I'm sure she has. And I salute Cal and Nicole for that. You never dated a white guy. You don't know what we do. You don't have to write poetry after this.  That's the only way you can handle all the emotions. This is Zach. What's y'all doing in Zach's room? She's talking about that. What do you mean? Stop. I feel like y'all are gaslighting us. That's a shame, bro. Y'all never dated a white girl. I still think Cal and Nicole said that. She did. No, she didn't. She didn't say it. Google it again. We can do it. Google it again. Google it one more time, y'all. Google it one more time, y'all. It was not her. Y'all need to Google it one more time. Did Google Cal and Nicole phrase it? Did you just tell us? And this is your fault because y'all wanted to believe what I was saying. Why can't we dig a little more? No, so you could just point our fingers and give them to you. I see y'all listening to us. But y'all will be double right. Why can't we just dig a little more? You still didn't even. No, first of all, you didn't even admit that you were wrong. Why do I have to admit that I was wrong? I got to start using that argument. Why not? Why not? That's a fire argument. Why do I have to admit I was wrong? When the cameras are wrong, the microphones are wrong. Why do I got to admit I'm wrong? The cameras are wrong and the microphones are wrong. I think you should apologize to a black woman in this room. You should have. Because you were yelling at me. You were yelling at me. You were yelling at me. I was yelling that you were at Alex. Y'all need to apologize to a black woman. I apologize for yelling at Taylor. Yo, stop. Alex, I want you to say my apology for yelling at Taylor. Thank you, Alex. There we go. I'm not going to replay this. Can you play Kaylin? No, for a Google Kaylin Nicole. Just Google it.  I think she did. No, she didn't. One more time. Why do you not want to believe a black woman? I'm not for this.  I'm not for this. I believe every word she says. I believe she said it. But I don't like that the root of this is a king snow crab leg. Me neither. It's great. Think about it, yo.  Think about it, yo. I didn't know this was happening either. I deserve hate. But I do vividly remember how she made shady comments towards Sierra and Russell Wilson. Ooh. They seem to fit in their marriage. When? Married today. Oh, wow. When? I don't know. I'm just reading Twitter. That's fake news. This is crazy. One more. No, we're done. Yeah, because Taylor thought she had a whole 100% majority. She didn't know her. This is Twitter, though. I'm just looking at her. There was a civil war going on, social media about this. I didn't either, by the way. I just got sent that one tweet earlier.  I just got sent that one tweet. Walo pens and let it to the hip hop community. Walo's absolutely right. Slute my guy Walo. Okay, salute the Walo. Philadelphia's finest, man. Love that, brother. One of the best motherfuckers representations in the culture we got. Love that, man. Let's do some Ask an Idiots, Taylor. Okay. Nope. Okay.  Have I spitting a girl's mouth? Yeah. Ew. What? Is that gross?  You did like Kevin Gates? Say it again? You did like Kevin Gates? Hell yeah. That's disgusting. I have to pee so bad. Let's do two Ask an Idiots and then we go. I got to pee, too. You want to pee? No, no. Let's do it because I got to think. Focus Pollock. Oh, Jesus. Wow. I don't think you need to say that. That's like a racial term for Polish people. It is? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Is self-care just narcissism rebranded? No. No.  No, no. Self-care is self-care and narcissism is narcissism. Everybody deserves some self-care. Absolutely.     Yeah.  You know what I mean? I mean, narcissists definitely take advantage of self-care for sure. But it's not narcissism rebranded. It is absolutely not narcissism rebranded.  Bulging right now. It's going crazy. I think it's going crazy right now. Milkin9 says, what motivates you to continue success after accomplishing big goals? I think it's about the art. I think if it's just about the goals and like meaning like making money or these types of things, then I think you lose focus on the art. But if you focus on the art and want to get better at it and improve it and challenge yourself, then that's the ultimate goal. So focusing on the art, getting better. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? Because, you know, once you accomplish something, you know, the accomplishment is one aspect of it. The maintaining of it is another. And that's why, you know, we have these conversations about the Drake's and the LeBron's and whoever are even the Michael Jordan and the JZ's. What we respect about these guys more than anything is the longevity in the consistent domination. You know what I mean?  Like all of these people that we're talking about are still winning. They're just winning in different ways. JZ wins in a different way. He's not the guy that's just in the booth rapping anymore or putting out artists. He's doing other things. You know, LeBron's still on the court, but I think one of the reasons that we talk so much about LeBron's off the court accomplishments is because we're intrigued by the fact that this guy's been playing so long and has accomplished so much off the court. Drake, he's still playing. The reason Drake can still have all of this conversation around his name and everybody's still talking about him and stuff like that is because we're paying attention to him now. You know how hard it is to get people to pay attention to you after 13 years doing one thing? Almost impossible. Almost motherfucking impossible. Same thing with Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, we watch his highlights and we're in awe. He's still the bar for every basketball player. Absolutely. And his business moves are unprecedented. So, you know, they've accomplished numerous goals and they just keep moving. So I respect it to me. The long story short after you accomplish your goal, the longevity and consistency of how long you can be great is what I salute. Absolutely. Let's do this last one. It's 1990. What's the name of Shala and Andrew's TV show? It's 1990. Martin. Chips. Ooh. Ooh.  You can't see that? Is it 1996? Oh, I thought they're like... Man, you make up a name. Oh, I thought it was like, what show would we be characters on or what would be our show? No, what's the name of our show? Oh. Why do you say chips?  No, Maxi. Maxi Kitten and White? Yeah. All right. No, hold on. Hold on. Let's do this. 1990. What is the name of our TV show? What was happening in the 90s, though? Would it be lies matter? Queers? Ooh, queers.  Dun, dun, dun, dun.  Dun, dun, dun. You want to be where they... That wouldn't be. You want to be where people see. Buttholes are all the same.  Dun, dun, dun, dun. Queers. There's films in front of a live studio audience. That's all, ladies. If you listen to this podcast, if you think we're smart, if you think we're intelligent, if you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right.  It's the Brilliant Ideas Podcast. Thank you for listening. Peace.