we hire to write our movie? Is it the audience? It seems like it isn't guys Is it the creatives? Definitely not Wow Now creatives involves director writers and actors actors are creatives too. That's it. Is that sydney swiney? I will not break the label tits reporter asked sydney swiney What's the most exciting thing about joining the hashtag mcu with madame web that I can't talk about it It's so hard because I talk so much. It was amazing. It was incredible. I'm so excited I'm just really honored to be a part of this.  You lost Gary wasn't it you that told me that uh like her and uh and dakota were like If I could tag in like marvel As well, but yeah, I want to make the movie They were like hashtagging like mcu and stuff when they were talking about this Yeah, so on their instagram they tagged marvel studios because they thought it was the marvel studios production Well, I mean look at the picture even the marvel studios is sweet.  Tell me that sydney swiney's lying She did not enjoy her time with it. She did not have an incredible exciting time or anything It wasn't amazing Bullshit, I love not incredible. She was not excited and she was not really honored to be a part of this He definitely knows that it was not the creative's fault at all at nowhere in the process of making this movie Did a creative ever make a bad decision? No, ever You know, that went to sydney swiney is in conceivable. Halle Berry's cat woman. I uh, we got some extra Director quotes now people look at your filmography The the black is the interviewer and then she's the well boldest interviewer. She's the not They might think that it's a big leap to go straight from television to a big budget film like this But you did direct a massive pilot game of thrones prequel Blood moon a few years ago Even though it didn't work out Are you glad that you shot something on a large scale before jumping into madame web every experience I've had to date has led me to this moment. I've done over a hundred episodes of television Seriously chris like just read up what she has to say Seriously, it's just public knowledge. It's in for the the point of these interviews is to be read by people Yeah, that's why they're there My previous massive failure led to this massive failure It's all it all leads it, you know Well out of out of curiosity, why did the blood moon prequel not work out? Was it Studio decided it was not worthwhile like it wouldn't make it, you know, just as The kind of thing that probably happens a hell of a lot more than we'd ever realize But it was crazy because it was it how much did it cost guys a 30 million? 30 million dollars insane I gotta Measure a lot. Well imagine if you spend a really bad and then you're like we ain't wasted more than 30. Okay We're cutting it off there Like you guys have fucked up too much already There is as well doing all four five and six parts Which in themselves feel like you're making two or three massive features That's as many as six hours of filmmaking that I was helming And I would say that everything I've done has led to this moment really it has all given me the foundation from which to Leap so how complicated was it to shoot all these different variations of scenes in order to account for kassie's Visions and then the reality that actually plays out. Yeah, it was a challenge I was like we're going to have to shoot these scenes three times, right? We're going to need three times the amount of time to which I got a no laugh So I had to be quite meticulous in the planning most of the clairvoyance was done in camera In terms of me creating that effect with the diopter It was often shooting with dakota and explaining what was happening She at times wasn't seeing what was happening in the direction So we'd have to do that separately especially when there was stunt So it was quite challenging. I've never had call sheets and sides with more notes on them in my entire career I want to thank you for not including a mid credit scene in general I've grown so weary of post credit scenes that often lead to nowhere at least in recent memory Was it important to you to just tell a satisfying close-ended story on its own term? Yeah, it was about telling a great story My father always used to say if you have to say something stand up speak up and then shut up So when I got to the end credits, I felt that we'd said everything we needed to say in the film It's up to whatever is next to take on the baton It was about telling a great story and we'd said everything we needed to say Yep But chris she failed she lost She knew if only she knew that she was actually a slave that she had no input.  He must do Because this all sounds like she not only loved making it, but she had loads of control and she's described in detail that She did everything she wanted to do and she wanted to tell a great story and buy gum She got to say what she wanted to say It sounds like the only interference she really had from the studio was that she wanted a longer shooting schedule and they say Yeah, you'll need as much time Not what you have to shoot what you have to write Yeah, I've already noticed in that According to somebody drinker and I know when it comes to making a movie at sony the only time the studio will really Interfer it's not creatively at all. It's just I never said it It's just budget That's it So you'd be trying to think you're more in the story. Maybe maybe but the approach is You're free to do creatively what you want, but it better be within this amount of money. That's all Oh For the notion that if he did say she was actually lying like he had the balls to actually say that which I don't think Yeah, but what I would be like Don't you think it's a bit of a strange lie like the amount of detail she's putting into these lies Like all this stuff about everything she did What to Appreciate herself to sony again Or to say that she's willing to fall on the proverbial sword for a failure of a movie like what What what's the goal here instead of coming out and saying? Yeah, I had all of these ideas and all they were all cut down by sony I wasn't given what I was needed. They wouldn't work with me and that's why madame webb failed It's not my movie. I don't take credit for it It was all on them to do this and I was stifled And yeah, he could have found all this out himself said that because I feel like this This would change his whole perspective if you read all this If he What was it 12 seconds 13 seconds 13? I was gonna say don't don't under exaggerate by saying 12 gary jesus I'm sorry 13 second google search. Yeah, which Takes a lot. That's like that's like one is 16th of a hillhouse review I think you might have been in your word as well more don't under exaggerate Under exaggerate Apple plus good I could not help but see The myriad of evidence that has been laid at all of our feet that this is a studio That is simply retaining the rights to their characters that does not care about the He had plans to launch an entire like franchise out of this This was setting up three superheroes with this movie three setting up a trio like big plans Everyone's claiming that he's a big grown-up boy for not being mean to the film because ultimately people are trying hard to work on them He had no idea that she worked hard on it He thinks that she barely got to work on it at all and the studio ruined it Even though the evidence is as clear as fucking day that you can find it And the fact is you could make the video on madam web saying look at the diopter that they use to create the special effects With the clear voice this is all done in camera.  You could have said that But oh well All you're gonna say is that she hadn't there was evidence. There was no way that it was her film no way This definitely has the well god told me kind of you know vibe to it Where it's just this just i'm asserting that this is the case with this movie. No I've not signed out. He's a filmmaker then look for the interviews. That's true. He's a filmmaker. I You know what? I have not made any shitty films. Mahler. It's true.  I've been known to peruse interviews and articles to To tell you nothing what's going on what tells you stuff is making a short film and then just assuming everything By the way, this is the man who's celebrated for his insight. I hate it.  It's so fair.  This is actually not fair. There is no god Oh the of this experience they're giving us and I can't help but think who is this for Who wins here? Is it the creatives?   Yeah, so I was like Okay, yeah, I is it the studio the director seemed more eager to talk about the movie than both of the writers were Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I just had nothing to say compared to her Can I just those that you seem to think you have insight you will act like your knowledge is somehow superior it is He's got none. We got some We are better than chris stuckman In this case on the topic of how much control did the director have of the movie? I have more insight than he does because I read a quote from her. That's more than he's done There you go. You have more of a myriad of evidence And I also saw the movie Oh Well, the thing is he's he said that's where he's got most of his myriad of evidence from I still love him to contextualize that Are you are you suggesting that he didn't see the movie? I I think he did No, he definitely did. It's just that he has nothing to say about it Well, that's one of his reviews. Okay Making a lot of money because they keep doing this over and over again Sometimes it makes sense to make a venom movie. It makes sense to make a spider-man movie Those are characters that are going to generate money no matter what Morbius and madame web Craven the hunter remains to be seen that is not the same level of reward that a studio might Yeah, exactly. I was literally The year that guardians of the galaxy came out is the year that the amazing spider-man 2 came out Guardians made more money than the amazing spider-man 2 made about a hundred million dollars more money And it's a good movie This is just a stupid point if you make a film that's really really really good Even if it's based on obscure characters, you can end up making more money Then the shit film based on the much more popular character This is just like not true. I mean no not even to say that Not to say that he was a fictional character, but like Oppenheimer. We have a recent A biopic movie that's like 17 hours long and it's really good about a guy that people just never really think about in common parlance That's basically dredging up a superhero. No one's ever Yeah, I make a billion dollars Like I understand where the thinking comes from But if it was a really really really good movie madame web It probably would be making more money than it is right now I would probably That it would be make not to say that because the film is good that it necessarily will make money Good films have failed bad films have succeeded, but it it can't hurt to make a good film You know, surely it can't hurt that it looked good at least, you know Well, how did the How did the creative decision come about for a studio to say, you know what? We need to make a sequel to that puss in boots movie Um, that was really no one ever talks about or really probably even really remembers But we're we're gonna make a sequel to that How do we make it stick and have cultural impact and get, you know, make a lot of money and how can we do this? From producing a spider-man or a venom movie. So why are they making them? Is it to retain the rights? Is it to get some kind of financial break? Potentially and in that case they probably don't care that much about each and every one of us You just made an assumption on an assumption on an assumption. You have no idea. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah Yeah, they probably don't care why because they're probably doing this just to retain rights Why it's like because they probably wouldn't do it with madden webb like a spider-man because she doesn't have as much pull That's great, man. Well, she does have a lot of pull her web connects all That's right. She connects the whole world Who forks over our hard-earned money to sit in a theater on valentine's day when they could have been doing anything else Stop taking her agency away the director Bade her movie Yes, it is you should be stopped christmas sergeant and money Let the woman film the p-scene if they want to chris your stifling creativity So much about the filmmaker experience wait a minute wait, sorry Oh, it'll make sense to retain the rights is it to get some kind of financial break? Potentially and in that case They probably don't care that much about each and every one of us Who forks over our hard-earned money to sit in a theater on valentine's day when they could have been doing anything else?  He hasn't looked into what she said about her own film at all He's made so many claims about her position in the film doesn't care about her.  I care about films I care so much about filmmaking. I can he just keeps saying it over and over again You're about it.  I sure do love movies Again, it's like eyewin said It's like he said anything else I care So much about the filmmaker experience any man who must say i am the filmmaker is no true filmmaker I care So much about the filmmaker experience, and i'm so aware of how crushingly difficult it can be To make a film. Yeah, it was about telling a great story. I felt that we'd said everything we needed to say in the film I care So much about the filmmaker experience A great big phony A phony let's hear A big fat phony I'm real happy with that one Let's take it back before the show was not just i want to know this This is a very scuffed set of editing that i did over two days and uh, i wasn't a colifriguerie. He was like, you know Put in the phony one Audience and i want people like myself who go to these movies to have a good time and to feel like they invested some of their Dude, i had a good time watching madame web. I said this.  Yes, absolutely worth the price of admission. Oh god. Yes Something that gave something back to them that inspired them in some way or or made them just happy for What were the people that were inspired by madame web?   I feel like he's trying to work himself into a rage about this Like it's like he's trying to get himself psyched up to have a really passionate rant But i'm not quite feeling it He doesn't have the information to be as pointed as he wants to be because there's so many assumptions What it reminded me of that that review of the you your video that you showed me of his where it was like Wow, what a crazy year.  I'm just going to praise the films that I really enjoy I mean, okay fine. It's your choice, but like Okay, do that in a way that actually shows us why you're passionate about these films If there's films that really moved you and you think are fantastic really dig down into why they work And show us right in the story. Yeah. Well. Yeah, exactly right show us how much you care And why why you like them you claim to be like such a fan of the art of cinema Demonstrate that because if all you're producing is like five minute videos of you in front of a webcam Just reeling off production information and then given the most milk toast Surface level analysis of the film. What are you demonstrating there? You don't seem like a person who's passionate about filmmaking Yeah He does just allow well look at the effort that goes into the videos This is more effort goes into him getting in his car and driving to the theater and back then goes into making the video Because he just What was it? He said it was something along the lines of you know Our task is critics isn't as hard. We just have to you know turn on the camera for like 30 minutes Or you know, like it only takes us 30 minutes It's like it only takes very revealing about your process. Yeah 30 minutes gives me 30 minutes to just get started Well, the funny thing is nobody knows if he meant 30 minutes spent recording or 30 minutes spent on the entire thing As in 10 minutes recording 10 minutes editing 10 minutes uploading I mean at this point, I'd guess that he doesn't even he doesn't edit his videos That'd be my guess at this point. You can see cuts. Oh, but you mean like edits as in someone else I mean if someone else does it. Yeah, maybe maybe that's not the case. Maybe he does it but Who knows a couple hours And sony and their treatment of these characters seems to be doing the exact opposite Currently in the industry It's the wild west when it comes to spec scripts especially from what I understand A lot of spec scripts are not even being read very rarely in fact Unless you're a very specific kind of movie or a studio is looking for something So particular that you just so happen to be that perfect thing from what I understand the lower budget horror Is still being looked at especially haunted house things or things that are very marketable, but in You know, that's the opposite of wild west. Yeah, you know what things are being looked at things that are very marketable Hmm Oh boy, I just want to make sure everyone stands Incredible insight of this man who's been inside the industry the what stuff they're interested is in stuff that's marketable Hmm. Yeah, it was more of Yeah, he just said it's the wild west, but nobody's reading spec scripts What haunted houses there in I'm not sure the wild west metaphor really would know Yeah, that's I'm a little confused on that one Uh, because there was a time like an artist alley at comic con around 2011 2012 where hollywood producers Were optioning just comic books and throwing out, you know, five or ten thousand dollars Which is a lot to a you know, up and coming artist and and buying properties left and right That was the wild west That was the way it's slowing down a scramble for for stuff because everyone's just excited and they're taking every opportunity that comes their way Like that, uh south park show where it's like, hello Yeah What he's describing feels more like a depression or a slowdown where everyone's waiting to see how the next thing's gonna be It's over all of the time. It's going over They're going back to the cities. They're leaving the frontier because they were looking for gold and now they they're leaving General the industry has no idea what it's doing right now post strikes They have no clue movies are selling for almost 20 million dollars at festivals from first-time filmmakers And other movies that seem like they should be selling really big because of the names that are attached aren't Nobody knows exactly what's happening right now because every I could tell that nobody knows exactly what's happening chris I feel like we've gotten a lot of that from you today, but that's you know There are things you can still find out pretty easily just saying you want to so yep Behold into this algorithm or whatever netflix is telling them Oh, okay. Stop. This is what stop uh People do know what's going on. It's called contraction Old hollywood is dying. There's talks of warner brothers possibly being sold off again It's merged what a couple three times in the last four years paramounts going under So those are two of the oldest studios in hollywood Yeah, yeah, and they're and they're all going to fall apart and and silicon valley runs hollywood now Yes, that algorithm that netflix algorithm rules you now that that is your boss.  It's been the worst era of hollywood ever Worse than the fifties worse than arguably the early eighties. I like the early eighties But uh quit and turn tino might argue with me on that It's been the worst era of hollywood ever plus they have competition now.  They're vanity projects amazon's a mail-in service apple makes phones And if they get tired of that they're out Just so beholden to this algorithm or whatever netflix is telling them People want to see this is creating an almost robotic like dystopian conveyor belt of movies that we are essentially supposed to kneel at the very end of open our mouth Really wide and just consume. Where have you been? I mean, where? You know guys, I just realized it's been a lot of bad movies lately in the studio It's just kind of expect us to accept it.  Which even in the case of madam web a film which you obviously believe is part of this conveyor belt But you won't dare say anything about why it's bad Well, you see that'll make things worse Hmm Not sure how that works Nope And then ask when do we get the next conveyor belt thing that you have generated for us from your algorithm robotic ai thing Whatever that is because that was really funny because when I watch madam Why not just watch the really good stuff and then praise that and then if something's bad on the first episode or So or you hear bad things you don't have to watch the bad stuff. There's still good stuff being made by creatives Maybe we watched what silo recently the first season of that. That's really neat. I'm excited to see the second season We got stuff like house of the dragon coming out There's all sorts of things out there that are full of you know creative You know decisions that are interesting and cool And if you just want to focus on the bad, yes Yeah, I guess if you want to focus on the bad you can But there's more good stuff that I could ever possibly watch even today And chris you could be helping that if you tried a lot harder Yeah, he celebrated harder There wasn't a single part of me that thought Yeah, and also like by not by by making decisions to say I am not going to criticize madam web You're not doing your part to steer people away from the bad content and towards the good stuff on the conveyor belts So like you literally are part of the problem in this video is part of the the reason why Your algorithm robotic ai thing Whatever that is because when I watched madam web, there wasn't a single part of me that thought a writer Sat down and came up with the idea of the final fight happening underneath a giant neon pepsi coli sign I just don't that's not why it's bad just about clear Yeah, that isn't really good why it's bad. It could have been well it could have been before we make the point Anyway, he's about to uh Undermine his own point. I don't think a writer sat in their apartment in la and thought that's a good idea I'm pretty sure sony said we have to incorporate pepsi in some way and deal with it That's it. That's the only limitation they had is that they had to incorporate pepsi in Does not completely undermine ideas at this point the fault lies with a writer if they said incorporate pepsi And that's what you came up with that was your fault Oh, yeah, I make the bad guy drink pepsi and he has diabetes and explodes Yes, do it. Yes Injected into his veins madam web do it Make him explode. It's just the how do you not said the second bit? We would have said like well, I mean if the studio had said something like involve pepsi You didn't have to crush the bad guy with the pepsi sign. That's and why the p Well, I did say the a lot of creatives are interested in getting that You can see his head through the little loop. Oh, I guess you could do that. Oh, you know what? I thought it was just p for peter parker. I don't know that's what I was thinking No, that's it.  Oh my god Think about that. Oh, no That was a creative decision to have the pee fall on him so that you could see his little head He'd have killed by the pee pee If it said the pee falls on him in the script, but that you can see his head through the little hole in the pee It's a strange thing for him to fix to fixate on like because the product placement is like the least of this movie's concerns At this point, I don't like if it happens every once in a while like yeah, sometimes people will drink things And sometimes the logos of those drinks will face me. That just happens when it's conspicuous is like I think more conspicuous would have been funnier at this point with how bad the movie is like if she had said I know hard to beat him, but by god, we can have the great taste of pepsi like along the way It's the choice of a new generation. Yeah, because madame webb's blind as well. She can take the pepsi challenge at the end I'm madame webb and even I can see why kids have I guess remember the skittles from shazam too. Oh Yes unicorns. Oh Yeah Remember the cringles from ghostbusters 2016. Yep. She literally says taste the rainbow. She literally says Skittles are the power of skittles is incredibly plot relevant in shazam too. It saves the day It saves the world. Yeah, dude.  That would have been memorable Right that kind of bad would be memorable and it gets lost in in last year God Oh, man, that's one that's one for the record books. Mm-hmm And that's what it's like for a lot of these creatives. I just heard a story today about someone who's working with a massive Entity studio. I won't say what it is Who has hired that person to write a story based off of a very interesting hook He wrote the whole script came back to them and they said, you know what? We don't really like that hook anymore, but we still like your story. Can you make it work without the hook? And this poor writer is trying to there's poor right. Can you say no poor writer and be like, nope He could say no or he could say, you know what? That's an interesting challenge. I'll see what I can do That writer has a studio on the hook who wants to You know turn his idea into a movie. That's a lot more than most writers get Yep A poor writer who was chained to a table being paid two shuckles a day Well, like what if you said, uh, so my movie is a buddy cop But with an alien and a demon and the the alien crashes lands on like a world filled with demons and that They're gonna be going on a buddy cop adventure You write the full script It's really funny really engaging full of great action and then they go Can we can we drop the the alien and the demon thing?  You don't have to do that The writers are wondering why their office why their cubicle is underneath the big pepsi sign Why why is my office here? It's very distracting. You know like don't don't think about it Don't worry about it. The peas looking a little loose up there. Don't worry about it. Don't don't worry about it Also, I believe that in competent hands the villain getting crushed by a pepsi sign could actually be good Yeah, he could be the greedy the greedy ceo of pepsi cola who is ultimately crushed by his greed No, no finds any ideas So like you can have the worst idea ever but you can implement it with incredible skill and still turn it into something Fantastic, it's just comes down to the skill of the writer a lot of people have talked about like they you know that They've written a better movie if they made this like final destination where she can see a bunch of deaths She can't do much about it and you can make it about free will and put some fun You know make it rated r and a bunch of crazy murders and tie it in make it a capitalism is bad analogy that Hollywood loves to do with pepsi falling up. Yeah, there's but also drink pepsi and also drink pepsi There's a million different ways you could have probably made it good like like a fun horror movie But they just made it a porno movie without all the porn Maybe the villain could be dr. Pepper Coke coke would have been the villain make dr. Pepper driven Figure out how in the world They got hired to write a story based off of an idea and are now told to write the exact same story But without the idea That's right. Whatever story you want. Just know it's going to pay you for it They want they want something specific so either do it or don't with how you describe So many reasonable ways it could have happened if your hook was actually like kind of sounded interesting But your story was way better than the hook I I can say yeah as someone who's written novels and screenplays Yeah ideas go through all kinds of evolutions Over time stories change things get added things get taken away. This is just the nature of the business This is how it works. You know what's funny if someone said Here's my hook alien crash lands into like a big old jungle where an operation is happening with a bunch of like army dudes Who are going to be Saving a blah blah and then someone says like that does sound interesting and then you see the complete film And you're like maybe we should lose the spaceship landing part even though that was kind of the hook I I feel like now because i'm of course describing predator A lot of people seem to agree and I do that we don't need that part of the beginning Even though it's obviously there to make people go. Oh Yeah, I mean I would say that in the thing the one thing that I would change about the movie is to not have the opening scene be An alien ship going to earth Agreed even and like I said you could describe both of those scenes as hooks to keep people like oh man I remember that alien scene so when's that gonna happen? That's gonna come up at some point, right? Even though this movie's been much more normal for the next half an hour Point being there are many reasonable ways this could happen. He's described it as like insane He's like wow, how could this possibly have happened? It's like I don't know All kinds except the fact that the writers said that they had this idea before madam web. So So much for your hook And that's exactly the type of situation that so many writers find themselves in and I would not be surprised If a lot of these sony spider-man universe movies have had very similar conversations bouncing around their meetings You mean just different people who are deciding different things at different times Yeah, that'd be crazy if those things happened imagine Hundreds of millions and then wanting to have some input in the movie.  It's the same solution. I've said for a couple years now Just let creatives do whatever they want. That'll always work That's the best interest we can be sure because I've started to make more discussion based videos about the industry And how we can communicate with them and get better films And start to enjoy the theater by criticizing them chris and not just hope that a great film I thought according to you chris like pretty much every film is great. You're just a bit still breaking film No, there's a point now with just if you're creative You're fine There is no like good creators and bad creators even though he's already said that certainly implied that there are in this video alone But obviously we know that he thinks that because he's had a whole career talking about that But only recently has decided he's not allowed to say that anymore One comes out of your hand. Also, uh, since uh, since you mentioned it I just want to give a big rest in peace to carl weathers here talking about predator and everything Yeah Rest in peace rp So that we can enjoy that here and it's the same thing I've always said they hear us through our wallets if a movie comes out That is genuinely great. They also hear us through our speech where we shout about how bad they are Yeah A much clunky version of boat with your wallet Hear us through our wallet You know how you can influence the bottom line on movies is by telling people not to go see them because they're bad That's right. Avoiding the bad ones is using your exactly. Yeah If if I do not go to see a movie because it's bad That is similar to going to a good movie and spending money because it is good All right, but how will I know what movies to avoid chris duckman popular ish internet film reviewer man If you do not tell me which ones to avoid you should tell me where the minds are in this field so that I do not step upon them Great, and we happen to see it in the theater. That's fantastic But then buy it to own on digital or buy the blu-ray of it. Let them know like this Is Yeah, don't do it. Yeah, and what if not everyone can afford to buy every movie they think is good on physical All right, that's just a reality and then a lot of people Like chris, you got to address why people buy netflix. Why do they do it? Is it offering something that they can't get out of the places? Maybe You know, it feels like that's a much more complicated discussion than we can value industry by buying the films that you like And what if we like films that are shitty chris? What if I like madame web?  It's like, yeah, but that wasn't studio into fear. It's like wait So can creatives be criticized? Can they be bad chris? Tell me And that's what we're getting with oppenheimer It's what we're getting with barbie when you see a movie where it's like, okay That creator gretta gurwig took an ip barbie. I made a completely original movie out of it And it became yeah, the studio didn't mess with barbie. It'll definitely you know that because no gretta gurwig The studio was present in the film as karek. No, just to be clear. They were in the movie I You can you can find it online. She's talked about it in interviews the studio basically made her like Justify every aspect of the movie to them, you know, they're like, uh, do we need ken singing a song? And she had to like explain why she thought it was necessary So like they're there putting the pressure on like explain to us why all this is necessary Why all that why we have to spend this extra money on these giant sets for the dance sequence stuff like that So they interfered if you want to call it that, you know, they were there the whole time going like Oh, we need to make sure all of this is necessary and important whether they did a good job Is another thing But they were involved. They didn't just say do whatever you want. Here's a blank check Counterpoint he watched the movie and liked it So the studio didn't ruin it Oh, damn. Okay. Yeah, gotcha Nailed it And the highest gross in some of the year and it's nominated for more and also it made a lot of money Which is also evidence of of something. I'm not sure multiple oscars even though she's Yeah, that means also that the studio didn't touch it Nominated for director They hear that they understand. All right, so IP it they hear that Here justifying all those decisions to them is something that's important when filmmaking and therefore in future They will make sure to do that with other creatives. All right I mean, you didn't even know what we're supporting. He has no idea. You're just like I like barbie Get that movie money Go on Okay, chris ish, but original got it and that's okay Like there's so many openings for filmmakers to take very original ideas into things in an ideal perfect industry The filmmaker studio relationship would be more of an understanding loving relationship But the problem right now is this a business, man This is a business where millions 10 hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake His view is that the loving understanding one is I get to do whatever I want with your money Exactly. Yeah here here. It's it's the trade meme like you offer me 80 million dollars. You receive question mark question mark question mark So many studio executives People who are making the decisions Did not come from a place of creativity Look, we saw what the madame web writer said. Okay.  Does he think that lord of the rings had no studio interference at all? Do you think? Just like no, that was just Peter Jackson So we did well new line cinema like what a couple years before that was responsible for making dungeons and dragons, right?  We got to be careful Well, you know how much does studio interference come down to it has to come out at this date And then the director says I want more time and they say nah Comes out at this date And of course that can vary is the answer to that question of whether that's reasonable or not I mean Uh, wasn't xenomax who was like, uh, you see this with games. They said yo skyrim needs to be out in november 11 2011, you know 11 11 11 So, you know, and then that game had some Uh, well, yeah, that's the thing You know, it's not unreasonable It's not unreasonable for a company to say we would like it done, you know around about this time But when it gets to the level of unreasonableness is something like with modern warfare 3 where we need a new call to duty Yeah, but this is like dlc It's not we can't like and if you want us to turn it into something that's even close to like a full game Well, that's that's all well and good, but it's coming out this year Fucking figure it out like at that point you could start going. Hmm. That's probably not great But I imagine that he wouldn't disagree with the idea that a studio can have a reasonable expectation Of what a film is going to come out or a tv show or a game Like is it studio interference of the studio says we want to have the new season of television out by september? Because that's you know when the new season starts Is that again, I think chris is extrapolating his experiences as an independent filmmaker and thinking That's how it should just be for everyone because he Essentially provided the finance for that movie himself through crowdfunding And he didn't have a studio on top of him He was able to take as long as he wanted over it and he had complete creative freedom presumably And I wonder he just sees like he'll see that and think well This is a great way of making movies because I get to do whatever I want I can take as long as I want and nobody's really here to question me because I'm the one that holds the Purse strings for it. So Every movie should be like this. It's like well in the example because what you're doing isn't a business It's just it's not a vanity project, but it is just something that you were able to make happen yourself That might be a vanity project Especially if it is like if you're if you're using the chris duckman as an example He sort of is in a way kind of in an unfair handicap Where he already has this following of people who are going to like whatever youtube or release is something There needs to be part of that person who understands I'm going to have a lot of people who already are very predisposed to liking the things I do and say in create So I have to take that into account And I can't make that experience that I have as a result of that You know, I can't project that into other people's experiences like I do with Madam wed or something like that who don't have that advantage They were potentially managers or agents or people outside of the creative space in hollywood who worked their way into a place Where they're now telling creatives what to do. Yeah, they're not creatives themselves. You see They are distinctly different and outside of that wonderful circle And besides even if they were in the circle, they would still be like shitty creatives probably He seems to think that a loving understanding relationship means the producers understand that they'd know absolutely nothing about storytelling And they should just let the filmmakers do whatever they want That's how that works, especially, you know, if spielberg is producing and he's a part of a studio He automatically now has become the person who doesn't know anything to leave the creative alone There's so many producers that were filmmakers There's so many of them. Yeah, and this produces the became filmmakers, right?  Well, you said they're directed 5 Wow, we won't talk about that right now. We won't talk about that next month drinker next month Yeah, and they don't have ideas. They just have they don't have ideas. They don't have ideas. They have ideas What even though somehow they have access to these hundreds of millions of dollars yet? They have no ideas. How did this occur? How is this even that one? How is this in some site that one? I'm just gonna say that one infamous producer who kept trying to insert like a giant mechanical spider into every movie and John Peters Yeah, wild wild west. He had ideas That's what killed superman lives He was he was barba stricent's hairdresser And then became a film producer. Even he had ideas chris. Even he had ideas. Yeah, you mean a non creative. That's what that is Everyone's got ideas.  No non creative I heard the the only creatives that exist. There was a big films. All right What did Barbara that's not the case for all of them, but it is the case for many of them And they don't have ideas. They just have like I just I don't get the angle. Does he seriously think that he can get any Job from like any major studio when he says things like this He says it in a nice way and he's insightful according to everyone else I mean, he's He is a he is a tomato meter approved critic on rotten tomatoes for him. He is tomato tomato He's burning a lot of bridges a lot of bridges with producers being burned here in Him setting anything on fire will be the most exciting thing he's ever done Well, I guess that's what makes this video stand out is that it is exciting in the sense of what are you doing? Like yeah, why do you think? How is this the winning strategy? This is this is very much biting the hand that feeds like I I don't know what he's thinking about.  I'm on your side. I'm a creative myself He says I'm your wife How do you do my fellow creatives? Have you heard of she'll be in clings of what the market might want what's selling big what's not selling big Well, we need to go towards this path because that movie sold really big people are looking for this Our netflix algorithm is suggesting that we need to make a movie about kung fu Pirates who also cook Yes, that's right. It's awesome. You mean one What is it we watched pirates and an adventure with scientists. I loved it. Yeah, that's right And they wanted to do more they wanted to do more adventures of pirates in an adventure with crazy bizarre Like you would never think it I love how he says this like it's an inherently stupid idea I love it.  He just described Jurassic park of lord of the rings or something like that That's one of the oldest means that we've got And then there's just the flip side of um this work You remember in is in that that notes from Melanie that one of the things that was kind of bizarre about it was that like Part of the story premise was the idea that this Melanie character was very correct For just dismissing ideas on the basis of the idea itself rather than the execution of the idea It's a really weird attitude to have when it comes to writing because yeah Like if you you could just do it's funny, right the the family guy joking south park of just get the manatees to get A bunch of different ideas and put it in there and it's like there's a joke there But there's also like what happens if you just throw it to a guy here's one thing Here's one thing here's another thing and we're going to put them together and figure out if you can turn that into something That's how a lot of ideas come up is like well. Here's something I like Uh, but then I can just combine it with this other thing that I also like to create something new or I don't know What the book series is called someone will chat or definitely know But it's a book series that is predicated on the premise being a silly idea like that It was a bad idea for a a book and that the author took it on as a challenge to write a good book On the basis of an apparently bad idea Um codex allera is what people are saying.   I just don't really know Also, I'm afraid drink is gonna have to leave us. Oh, okay. Sorry. I was hoping to get through the whole video But I just can't go that extra six hours You're almost our combination of stuckman and madame. Well, I know it's a critical stuckman moment We've almost gotten through the stuckman part. We're almost to the drama part where uh, oh Oh Well, I'll be sure to watch the rest of this tomorrow the drama mongress herself is here Yeah ruined everything all her fault. She ruined film criticism with once we Not again Yes, uh, appreciate you sir. Thank you so much for joining us and I was about to say like you could talk about your channel But I mean who in the eFab always doesn't know who you are right now. I don't know maybe one guy talk to that guy Yeah, I do criticism of movies and stuff. It's on my channel critical drinker. There you go He mainly targets the good video today because creatives are immune to criticism. Okay Yeah, but uh, yeah, thank you for having me on for this. It's been a true pleasure And I will catch up with some of you on open bar tomorrow night. Yes, sir Catch you later, dude. All right. Bye. We will see you later Bye-bye He doesn't even know that her web connection. Thank god, he's gone. I know right Happening and it sounds like a joke, but I'm I'm swear to you. It's not it's not a joke And also it's funny. He says like that sounds like a joke. It's like yeah, it sounds like a pretty old joke It sounds like awesome are From the episode of south park that came out Yeah years ago of just who what about adam sadler? You know with the success of one piece you they would be conversations like to people like pirates to people like kung fu Shit to people like extravagant over the top stuff Like what is it was it the sets the acting was it the writing was it the source material? And they're gonna have all these conversations because yeah, they want to make money They're in the business. They want to make money and like what is chasing trends really? It's like trying to find what people want so they can give it to them Like what's wrong with that exactly? He's like wow how ridiculous Okay Put in positions of power who want to be creative, but aren't creative, but they're stop saying that just just I But we don't say this that's Isn't that a crazy thing to say like surely everybody is creative in some way Surely that would we would have to believe that that's the case That everybody in some way shape or form in some discipline in some way is creative And it's like oh, well they're people who want to be creative, but they're not as as says I chris stuckman You know, isn't that crazy? I'm definitely not comfortable with calling a whole class or profession of people uncreative That seems a little uh Man, there's got to be some right All of them as a whole you know what I mean like that there isn't a creative person in a whole industry for a whole I mean I don't know. No, no, it's just funny that he can ordain that they are not creative He can just ordain that they are incapable.  He's very creative. I've unplugged the controllers from my nintendo 64 I'm afraid of cables Put in a position where they now have to tell creatives what to do And that's why you're seeing a lot of these things that you're seeing in film lately And the hopes are that more dragon Oh, he's the oh he talks about the bad things. Sorry. I thought he was referring to the bad Our filmmakers are able to break through with like an indie film. Look at Nolan. He was able to kind of prove himself He took those steps You know what I mean in the case of a lot of these filmmakers who make their first movie as a giant studio film The studio does not look at that filmmaker as if they are an equal Hmm the fight over skies make some indie film first or like how did they I did cloudy with a chance at meatballs Oh, I like that movie Yeah, it was funny and then the leg Yes, so they got they got a background Oh, but I guess it's funny to say this about sj clocks and since yeah, maybe are you talking about lorda miller 21 jump street, too Oh, yeah, that's right. They did that as well. So they had a big I guess I guess what I'm it's interesting that he's saying this about sj clocks and when she'd been directing for a long time Like for television, sure, but that's that's a portfolio. That's a background. That's a resume Oh, phil a chat saying phil lord did clone high. I loved clone high. That was great I've not seen one high, but I've heard this really cartoon. I think on mtv. Yeah, that's good Chris duckman seems to be saying that the only way to get like respect is to start indie and then do big Like studio movies that like he seems to think that if your first movie is a studio film You can never get the respect You can't you can't even earn the respect Which I just don't with all the movies and stuff. I think it's out of me examples to the contrary There must be I think what he's saying is that they pick these people so that they can control them Um, which maybe there's some amount of truths to the idea of just oh, you made one indie film Here you go. You're on a marvel film You're probably gonna listen to the things that we tell you Compared to someone like Steven Spielberg where you drop into a marvel movie. Yeah, and they're like do this and be like I'm Steven Spielberg. I am not doing that. I'll do whatever I want. A lot of the time They hire these some of these people, you know, like when joss weeden gets brought on for like, uh, Snyder cut or something Presumably they hire a lot of people because they're like, can you fix this? You know how things work We don't have to explain to you like how to get Uh, you know, the right people in the right places to complete it on time.  I want it out by now And I want it to be complete go. Can you do that? And then the it's almost like a contractor. They're like, Oof this house is falling apart Paint job needs to be done. You know, you're missing all the plumbing, but yeah, we could probably imagine the contracts regarding this stuff Or love crafty and monstrosities so like yeah, they They almost want we want to go back to that time where you would hire someone Because you think they can complete the job as opposed to you hire someone and just hope for the best And you don't just hope for the best when you are investing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in something Or at least that certainly would not be my attitude is to just hope for the best and hope my instincts picked the good ones They look at them as if there's someone they can boss around And tell them what to do because they're paying the bills and what have you done exactly and that's a lot I mean What have you done why does paying the bills not matter at all? I don't understand I want to have a big explosion. I'm gonna get those these people to animate it.  You're here to make my vision happen That's what you're here for. I'm the I'm the director. That's me. I'm in charge It is a risk to take a director who hasn't proven themselves yet At least in terms of box office success and just let them do whatever they want.  You literally yeah, you literally are their boss. That's correct. Yes A lot of what we're seeing now. So pay for movies that are good Keep paying for movies that are good That's the only way if we disagree on what makes a good movie good and what if good movies have studio interference Well, that's the big conversation is getting into chris stuckman about what makes a movie good or bad But he's not even willing to have that discussion now.  If I want to what if I want to support madame web Seems like you're saying I should yeah, what what if I say madame web is a really good movie prove me wrong chris Well, I'm not gonna bash films. Oh, I win. It's a good movie. We'll watch madame web Yes, don't feel like though madame webs if you went strictly by his word as opposed to his reasoning It's like should I support mad web? He's like, I'm not making a review of that. You're like, oh, so I should right Okay, gotcha. So I shouldn't he's like no no chris doesn't like madame web No, I look people have their opinions on madame web. I don't that's that's me I don't have an opinion on it. I feel not strongly one way or the other Yeah, a lot of the dire a lot of normal people Are only going to see so many movies So it really does matter that you steer them away from bad ones So I was talking to some friends and they're like, oh, we haven't been to a movie since maybe before the pandemic We should go see when I'm like, well, there's nothing good out right now. So maybe just wait a little longer Yeah Don't go see madame web. Yeah For a lot of people Movies are a thing that they watch Occasionally in between a bunch of other activities that they enjoy doing just like with video games You know, not everybody is going to watch every movie Sometimes people can't even afford to see that many movies because going to the theater Especially if you you know, you're like a family going to the theater not cheap Yeah That's a lot of We're seeing now. So pay for movies that are good Keep paying for movies that are good. That's the only way that we can turn the dial Well, shit, he fixed the problem It needs to be summarized this whole video's point is support good movies and we'll we'll make it Do Dang this is this is the kind of insight that I expect from an industry veteran like christopher stuckman Oh guys, thank you so much as always for watching. I really do like making these discussion videos I do think that yeah, I could have fooled me so much What's the thing right?  You have to tell me what the golden tablets say?  Okay.   So go go go go go Oh, well, then I'm a filmmaker. I've made a shitty film.  I'm the same as stanley cubrick because I've made a shitty film That's right It would just be so funny from that to be like I have a lot of insight From being a filmmaker and I I care about the filmmakers experience And then you show that as you show the film the man who fell over going for cheese It's a working title. Okay. Yeah, I haven't decided what do you mean? You're criticizing a president. Have you ever led the free world? I didn't think so. Exactly. Exactly I won't permit you. Have you ever died in the Amazon while researching spiders? I did. I didn't think so. Learn more about the industry. I have a unique position to be able to discuss ways that we can make it better. Oh, yeah I have unique ways of knowing how to make it better, you see I will use my special filmmaker powers And hopefully in the end do what we all want is to see good movies And have fun watching them and I did have fun watching madam web your system is broken It brought me joy chris. I laughed out loud unironically. I laughed out loud Yes, we were cracking up in the theater. It was echoey because we were the only ones there, but Yeah, and I had a ton of fun making my review. God. I was it was every second of that was joy Triumph People said play it again. Maybe I will because that means slightly late again play it again I will do it Thank you so much as always for watching. I really do like making these discussion videos I do think that as I learn more about the industry I have a unique position to be able to discuss ways that we can make it better I am filmmaker filmmaker Help it In the end In fact in his art out He really was And then a few years later A few years later it becomes a massive me for who knows how but it just did for several years It just it was just that was it Sat there I probably thought yeah that's pretty good An untapped gold vine in the mountain It's because people under the age of like 35 don't watch network television. That's why nobody had seen it Oh What we all want is to see good movies and have fun watching them and there you go guys support good movies And see them and have fun We just want to see good movies and have fun watching them. I mean who could disagree with that Who would ever who would ever be mean to christopher stuckman? He's so likable and reasonable Feel inspired. That's what we all want, right? We want to see good movies So thank you as always for watching guys. Look forward to more videos very soon The poignant insight has changed my life Yes, do good presentation when you're going out this sunday. I'm very excited about it It's definitely not a fun movie But it is an excellent movie called grave of the fireflies if you've never seen it It's a really tough watch, but it's an absolutely monumental achievement that I have been wanting to talk about for many years Guys, thank you so much.  What do you mean? What are you talking about? Just do it Why'd you say it like that chris? Why'd you say that like you're being hampered by some studio? What are they doing to you? Are they are they not letting you have your pc and chris?  Yes He's not the thing By the way, in case you guys wanted to know grave of the fireflies movie review from chris stuckman 10 minutes Oh Look at that probably took him a whole trailer footage in that bad boy too. Oh, that's a bit much But uh, yeah, probably took him like half an hour to make that video. Maybe damn. Yeah From you know, it's funny though time for him to watch the movie Ryan kennel can make three videos in that time. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, but I was gonna see Anyway, just don't look right but Go from this his is I have to talk about this madame web video has 615k views. How much does the grave of the fireflies video have? Oh 20 oh, no, no, come on give chris to first Come on, this is grave of the phase we wanted to talk about this 32 100,000. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with 85,000. Okay Yep I already saw it. So oh never mind. Well, it is 79k That's pretty good. Not bad. Not bad 10 minutes of insight too Well, 10 minutes. Well, I mean, well once you get past the who does the voice acting and who directed it and what studio made it really It's basically we're basically ready to go home Yeah, well, anyway, this that was the video right everyone So you got all the context now that went to the internet and then And it looks like jay blong but might not be here. So she can't own this but um Oh, she is. Oh, thank goodness She uh, she made a huge mistake by expressing an opinion which we can see right here He is so annoying. Oh my god.  Hey, you're gonna make a hundred dollars I'm gonna get a good solid five dollars. Yo, you can pay for next month's twitter check mark.  Yeah, that was it. You can capitalize god in all time. Yeah Yeah, I've got it exactly.  That's the nicer one. Okay. Well, maybe even raffle But uh, lol Next you'll put a smiley face No, no, she meant no, that's like the emoji of the guy with his hands up going Ooh, that's not lol Oh, yeah, that guy's whooping. He's like, he's so annoying. Yeah, he's people. Yeah I hate when people rag on chris for not shitting on something because he has stepped into the ring and actually made a feature film He's actually made a movie knows how hard it is and now clowns on the internet have turned because he isn't just saying He's actually made a movie knows how hard it is I you know a lot of people don't have to make films to realize that it's hard A lot of people don't have to actually do the thing that they're talking about to know that it's hard Yeah, um because we have brains and we can Decisive Now I know it's hard. Oh, that's funny. I knew it was hard before Oh, and also Also, you could actually do the thing and your experience might not be the typical experience that's associated with that thing Exactly.  And then the other thing to add on to it is yes making movies is hard Some people manage to make good movies despite how difficult it is Interesting.   I think oh no Friday the 13th Um a guy when they were filming him getting hit in the eye with like the arrow head or whatever that He could he went blind for like a half a year or something Like the you know arguably that's not a difficult thing. That's just a horror of of productions Like yeah, I was aware of all this and I assume all you guys were from a very young age I never I've never found a shocking that this is hard.  It's like, oh people are mad at chris because he's not shitting on the film It's like he did shit on the film a lot If I mean he and also like there's more to criticizing a movie obviously than just saying that the movie's bad Like I think we need to stop instantly making this connection between that's all it is just saying the movie's bad That all criticism is supposed to be the same alternative I found him annoying because he was trying so hard to pretend that he wasn't basically criticizing the film In his own way. Well, so there's a great iron. He is like this movie is so bad. I won't even reference directly Is that bad?  He was definitively wrong on several claims He's not meaningful just because he's a filmmaker doesn't automatically mean everything he has to say is better than everyone else I mean they wouldn't give the I mean they wouldn't say this about the people who made lady ballers and stuff like that I'm just saying this they wouldn't do You don't know how hard it was for daily wire to make that movie We get it you're also trying to break into the film industry and will also go out of your way to not criticize Hollywood people you might want to work with Our god our king he's there.  Do you think that's on the cards? I'm sure it is. He will personally Bring his own red and blue lights That's true. They'll be so impressed by the red and blue lights that they'll just they have no choice To let him direct a new batman movie. Oh, jeez Yeah, but curiosity do you agree or disagree with this statement from elden guy? A critic who isn't willing to hurt feelings isn't a real critic Um, I agree Willing doesn't mean you're going out of your way. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah, I agree. Yeah I I agree if you are not willing to have a critic who isn't worried about hurting feelings I don't know about willing I'm even okay with someone being worried about it, but that they still do it as in like I'm not I don't want someone to feel awful, but I've got to say what I've got to say, you know that sort of aspect Yeah And could have gone out of his way to say look this movie is really bad We don't know if it was the studio or the writers. We don't know who to blame But we can just assess it for what it is. It's really bad. He could make sure people aren't Blaming the writers because they don't necessarily know if the studio interfered, you know, he could take that tack if he wanted to Mm-hmm to hurt feelings isn't a real critic hard disagree My guy if people don't like your movie your feelings are already hurt If people don't like your movie your feelings already hurt now that is a self report Jesus Oh So uh ryan johnson is famously said he wants people to dislike his films So yes, and and we don't even have to go to people who aren't you know in this call Like we are all creatives in our own way It is fine our e-fap isn't for everyone my videos and mollusk videos and everyone here who makes videos They're they're not for everyone and and they don't I'm not gonna my feelings aren't gonna be hurt if someone says You know, I tune into e-fap wasn't my thing and I didn't like it. My feelings won't be hurt.   That's pretty funny And it's just so funny that I tried making movies that I realized how hard it was Why do people not understand that it was hard before they started making films? I don't get it. How do you not understand? I don't know how to like I don't know how to build a skyscraper But my guess would be that it's pretty difficult And that's like well, there are some things that might I'm not a michelin star chef I can't cook a michelin star meal, but I can look at it go You know what there's probably a lot that went into that that I can't do that's really difficult Doesn't make the meal good. You know, you still the meal Doesn't make it my default. Yeah Lots of things are difficult, but that doesn't change the fact that people have expectations of Functionality and quality making video games is hard But if you release a video game that's unplayable or that breaks your pc You know, what are you gonna say to someone like oh, well, it was really hard. Oh, you worked really hard You still deliver this bug filled game Surely worked hard on golem Oh, what is this? Saying that a director or actor did a bad job is going to hurt some feelings If you're incapable of saying those things you shouldn't be a critic. Yep True. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. This is I I said that sj. Clarkson shouldn't be Allowed within a hundred yards of a camera for the rest of your life and I stand by it Truly how every professional reviewer should be then how come you're not adopting the style brown table, huh? Yeah Yeah, interesting. Hmm If you truly believe this, yeah start doing what he does. No more negativity. None.  These are not like gifts given to us for the human culture or whatever. These are products I have to pay movie tickets to go see. I'm taking time out of my life. I'm going to a theater I am going to a place. I'd rather not be I buying a ticket. I'm exchanging money for watching this film It is a product. All right This isn't a gift that I'm just supposed to accept and smile at this We have a the movie studios and myself. We have a what was called a transactional relationship. All right We also talk about how like mean and spiteful Chris is towards film studios Like in yeah, they're not people. They're not human. It's very negative. No capacity for creativity That's what I mean. How many of the 43,000 people who like this watch the video Well, and even if they did they probably No offense to them, but I don't even know that they know that that's a harsh thing to say I think they'd be like, well, yeah, but the studios they're reptiles. Yeah, that's right Yes studios and producers are not people and they have no capacity for creativity. That's true This video is incredibly negative just not at artists All right, it's trying to be positive and I guess that fooled all of these simpletons Hey, I think I think it is just as simple as if you say it in a tone of voice that people don't register as being harsh You can get away with saying a lot.  Oh, wow. Calm down. Oh, jeez You said a swear word. That's oh gee It doesn't seem to just be the way that it works with like communication for some reason It's that coupled with like weasley words. He uses a lot. We're like, I'm not saying this A people are saying, you know, all this sort of dancing around it Making it as passive-aggressive as possible Yep, there's PPL I wonder if there is this connection that has been made maybe Subconsciously in this this this sort of collective way It's a little difficult for me to kind of put into words, but maybe maybe you'll pick it up as I go Right a lot of these people the high tops is the brown table the stuckman's For I mean cosmonauts all the people that we cover right typically they have been Eating this stuff up giving it a pass for years are the more marvel slop all the this all the that Given passes to these sorts of things and so I wonder if that in a way has bled into them having a kind of incidental developed culture of reacting negatively to those Who react negatively to these terrible movies and it's created this almost divisive split In that in this online these online groups of cultures as I wonder if this is just sort of the next step of that happening We're now they're just being open and saying but with brown table Use the word literally like this is what we should be a film critic You shouldn't criticize a film critic and a film critic should not have negative criticism for these things for the movies It all needs to be positive In the same way that they were always positive way overly positive for the years of prep that they've been You know given by disney in particular who's had such a big dominance in the industry They definitely have drawn a line and the they've thrown all of us in the same section pretty much of like You're all the there's one in here about how gary among others has destroyed film criticism, which I find so funny That's why we invited them on so we need to go gary. Yes. Yeah, thanks gary Sorry Look at you looking into interviews reading articles taking people for their word taking creatives for what they say about their work What's wrong with you? I don't know. I'm not celebrating enough Not to not to keep talking about how great old school bungee was but there's so many instances where the developers were talking about how You know like nobody nobody cares You know We can't just got like everybody's expecting it to be this good We have to make it this good because everybody's expecting it and good enough isn't good enough and all of these kinds of Um attitudes that are conducive to working really hard and trying to deliver the best thing possible Rather than like well, we tried really hard Rather than like well No, everybody here is working really hard to like meet the standard and expectation that people have Just seems like a better attitude to have Rather than like whenever anybody has anything negative to say it's just like leave me alone It's like well, I don't know man Like when you when you create stuff and throw it out there to the world like people are going to have a perspective on it They will you just got to get over it This is literally they have something to say that's actually, you know accurate That it's like worth taking on board Lee how every professional reviewer should be Ppl that are approved reviewers on rotten tomatoes should have this vibe Imo goes double for stuckman as he's further involved in the filmmaking process Also, everyone knows madame web is bad. Let's have one video on the internet talking about it differently It's no big deal. He just agreed that we shouldn't bash the film just like chris and then he bashes the film Also You want you want to turn you want to turn internet reviews into a cabal circle jerk Then the first sentence people that are approved reviewers on rotten tomatoes should have this vibe in my opinion Just be positive. Just don't review things that uh, if you if you watch something and it's negative You know, maybe don't post that review to rotten tomatoes Maybe just don't tell people that the movie was terrible that the plot didn't make sense That the themes are disgusting that the characters are retarded Don't no don't say any of this stuff.  It's going to be nothing But oh every movie is apparently great because all the critics are only leaving positive reviews on all these movies They must all be incredible. Good job brown table.    Did they? No, no, they didn't It's like it's no big deal that he has a video that talks about madame web in a different way It's like what are you? Now you've gone to a point where you think jay long bones mad that he talked about stuff different That's it As some people haven't seen the whole video, which is fine instead of solely criticizing madame web He you just said That everyone knows madame web is bad Let's have one video talking about it differently. Then you said if you haven't seen the video instead of solely criticizing madame web It's pretty funny.  Like it's some new thing. This is another thing. I can't stand this narrative All of us talk about the studios all the time. Why are we pretending like that's something people don't do It's the same when it comes to video games.  That's not like a new thing Everybody shits on ea and activision. Oh, yeah, and they catch unfair flak Well, yeah, because then it became the new thing of oh, maybe bio web just made some bad decisions on this video game Maybe rocksteady made some bad decisions on this video game.  I need to print the publisher in certain cases It's up looking whack instead of critiquing the artists who critique the studio about both Like that's a first off That's not a great example because we have a lot of examples and testimonies of how the workers were literally just not given the time To do their jobs.  I'm just trying to point out Is that then why didn't course just do the video where he said, yeah, madame web is shit And here's all the reasons why studios fault bye Why do you need to do that Well according to brown table he did he said he didn't solely criticize mavin Why have he expands and criticize the companies and the industry as a whole and it's like, okay Like I said these three tweets have different opinions. Did he yeah, yes While clearly I don't think there's anything inherently negative or mean about telling people your honest opinion of a movie Why do we have to get on chris case here? He's explaining exactly why he doesn't want to do it. He did do it We got to respect his decision. He literally did do it. He's being a snake Whether he even knows it or not is I'm not sure he doesn't strike me as a bright land But he's doing the thing. I'm sorry that you are so simple-minded that it escaped you It literally must be like you're living in a different world than the rest of us This explains ryan johnson fans How about we don't oh wait That was that was a good edit. I forgot it was in there. Okay, let's the last thing Why do we have to get on chris case here? He's explaining exactly why he doesn't want to do it We got to respect his decision. How about we don't I'll say it's also definitely different If you are telling people specifically that you don't believe a certain movie is worth their time or money A night at the movies isn't something the average person does once a week. So I think those opinions are valuable Why wouldn't it be worth my time or money? Why would I say you know what fellowship of the ring?      You said he was annoying. Tomatoes step too far He called him annoying annoying not really although. I think it's fairly easy to give credit to filmmakers efforts and the hurdles They have to jump while remain to be fair He's one of the more reasonable ones in critical the social media landscape seems to favor negativity So it breeds a lot of mindless movie bashing I do think it's important for us to keep filmmakers efforts in mind when reviewing even the worst films I do think refraining from saying a bad movie is bad while still implying it is for the thank god Somebody's gotten there, you know, he's like he did imply it's bad It's like thank you the sake of the filmmakers feelings or your career prospects is a bit cowardly Or a smart business decision on his part. Who knows? I'm just a dumb huge put a question mark there because it was not smart Shitting on producers is not smart if you want to work in hollywood. No Far move they're gonna pick up because they have brains From the industry. This is a layered discussion not suitable for twitter. Anyway, if uh, I mean you can be you can You can be not retarded on twitter He is possible It's possible To trolls were like chris and actually learned how hard it is to make a movie instead of just crying about them from your mom's basement You two would make videos like this boring.  How boring is that? How boring are you? Like is this the best you can do? Isn't we make fun of movie? Yes, the reason we make fun of movie bomb for the parents basement thing is because he admitted it He is in a basement apartment like when he stacks up his cans by the window Then he gets he tweets about frustrations that a gust of wind knocks them over Opening the window is the closest thing he gets to going outside man. Give us kind of some slack Suppose the irony here is that it's always about the context of those things because you could live in a basement in its Chell you could live with the parents in its Chell more so just I like those Over in Australia like I I kind of have a really favorable view of basements because they're so novel to me nobody has basements Nobody has basements in Australia Yeah, we don't know in texas either, but uh Joe Russo just insulted every nerd Whether it's intentional or not. That's what he did.  He's not and you go see the three films He made and go see what he looks like So true.  There you go drags me erotic He didn't even it's no argument. It's just the it's what hightop did.  That's difficult too Well, yeah, it does feel like a matter of perspective, doesn't it?  I was like three hours. My god. I couldn't look at my phone.    Why are we blaming creative? Nobody said the bosses were infallible.   One because we don't have any evidence of executive meddling and two because he's never written anything good ever I told you earlier this guy's got terrible luck every time every time this guy every time matt sizama writes a banger film Those pesky studios. They just have to get involved and get their fingers into his Golden story this man. They're holding us back from the modern day. Tolkien is what they're doing. Yes, they are I would have loved to see what morbius was And they keep hiring him keeps agreeing to do it even though they bastardize his vision every time He's like, yeah, I'll keep them in back. He's just you know, what 95 percent of Studio writers quit before their first creative endeavor is successful. Yeah Tips and not executive meddling. I've read matt's writing on two of these. It's good and not what's on screen He keeps working because he's great.  Okay No matter how much you say Yeah, it doesn't mean that every writer is gonna be great two of the writers of madame webb worked on another film in the sony universe Yeah, that's right. Did you watch the video pal? Obviously this clip highlights the notice in his defense of chris. He's disagreed with him. Chris has made fun of matt sizama's writing morbius So Criticized called morbius chris stugman hate is so fascinating because he's literally just some chill guy who likes movies And there's a lot of that That's why that's why everyone's mad Because nobody understands anything that chris has said he's just said it in a nice way That's right. Don't actually be nice way possible It really is like it is like a way that you can just get away with saying a lot more things If you just say it in a flat or nice tone of voice. It's incredible. It's stunning. It's fascinating It does fascinate me that that's the way that it works Unassailable, yeah, chris stugman hate is so fascinating because he's literally just some chill guy who likes movies Says a lot about how much people just want to go for the quick angry and loud responses Now that when a critic is breaking down a movie with nuance Trying to explain how hard it is to make something new on studio Interference. It's so annoying. Every critic should be like him.    It's so childish It's like it's been sure to a nine-year-old He expects movie studios to be charities for artists. That's what he expects from that.   Yeah, it's not like we're uh, it's not rocket science here folks It's seriously you you can just be like more informed by reading a wikipedia article You can you can just read a wikipedia article and then know more about people Who present themselves as authorities on a lot of subjects. It's incredible for madam web I I I did sit through two hours of interviews But it was fun. It was funny for one it was whole and I find it entertaining But yeah, I sat through two hours of clips of interviews before I even started what's funny is um When I did the research and like development portion of the script for the tfa series I I think I made my requirement I can't remember now because it was so long ago But I think it was between 10 and 20 interviews per actor and crew member as in like a writer or director And in that case, I guess would have been like two is it laurence casden and jj brims I think but in any case uh people of significance behind the film Um, the amount of shit I found was insane. You guys have seen lots of it Um, but there's still loads to come like of funny things that I found It's all in the script waiting to be seen because it's all out there It's just like what was being discussed earlier about the good doctor Nobody knew about the other funny clips Because nobody watched the show and they started sharing them on twitter because some people were like I'm gonna go through this show and find them and my god. There were some funny moments from that show Well beyond that one major clip But yes loads of come to come loads loads loads loads to come. That's what I mean loads of come to come Okay My two cents. This is what happens when film critics experience how difficult filmmaking is At least that's a slightly different bit of wording. They experience it instead of just knowing it Yes, which is a difference. There's there is a difference. Yeah Between what I like basically could safely say I know to be true Uh, and I suppose actually having that confirmed doubly so by doing it in much the same way that somebody can understand that animation is difficult in that drawing Several pictures that are going to be playing out every second And then you balloon that out of course over the course of an entire film You can understand that as difficult Uh before being forced to sit down and actually do it for yourself and then see how long it takes and how difficult it can be Well, and then you want to pose the question, uh, we have two people with the same budget same interference from the studio Same film to make same script to work from they're both the director They both go one of them produces absolute shit and one of them produces something amazing So are they both the same quality of director? Or is one better than the other? I mean one of them has succeeded because that's it's so funny how like, you know, the whole conversation ignores Okay, maybe these are your circumstances But what are you gonna do? Are you gonna constantly complain about the circumstances? Or are you gonna try and solve the problem? Are you gonna try and do the best that you can in the circumstances? That you find yourself in like you can't just you can't just ask for the universe itself to bend To your will to create a circumstance that you would prefer.  He's actually trying to be respectful to the filmmaker while being critical of he was not He didn't care anything. No experience He demonstrated an astounding lack of respect for the director And he believed that she had no autonomy Yeah, Peter is a helpless victim who had no input or say whatsoever in the film She says Like in total with all those clips. I think even more in the article. I didn't include but That everything that she had done in her life led to the moment of making this film the she remember she described it as a Leap she said it gave me the foundation from which to leap does that sound like the kind of wedding You use for something that you didn't have control over in any way and I don't get ashamed of She said that she wanted to get a timeless quality to the film to avoid people Knowing exactly when it took place, right? Like like she worked with the sets and the props to make sure that we wouldn't be able to nail down an exact day in time That's something that she intended something she had control over Uh, oh, yeah, there was a quote as she said, um The you know, you know a mum the the madam webs mum. I forget if she had even had a name Uh, she's the heart of the movie and without her and without his story You don't fully understand who madam web is that's something she said And then she was so proud to have the actress available to do it because she was like amazing Um, she obviously talked about the the stuffing camera the clairvoyance all that shit Well, and I remember I vaguely recall the the where dakota johnson said, oh, I put so much faith in her You know that that she was making the right decisions Why didn't she say I put so much faith in abby arid if he was involved in producing the film Yeah, what is the editing the the how she had to do the repeated scenes the She actually said at one point as well that um, she took a lot of inspiration, right? She wanted to include a lot in this film And she had like a list of films that she mentioned for all of the influences She complimented um working in boston as well or like, um There was there was like a boston shooting. Yeah making boston is beautiful. She tried to Make the place look like boston, right?  This is all her experience He said he cares about the experience of the filmmaker. She didn't look into it at all Either she is lying or chris is wrong I think you'd have to admit he's wrong That's not a question that he would ever address. I I don't think she's lying I maybe there are aspects of downplaying possible negative experiences as you do when you're promoting a film But I don't get the impression that there is like zero percent of her on this film Or even that there's only 25 percent I get the impression that there's more of her on this film than there is of a lot of marvel directors You know doing mcu films have on on their films I get the same impression. Yeah And there's a thing this this is not respect Uh, it is more respectful to say you tried really hard and you failed Yep Or that's how every like mentor student, you know story kind of starts We have the the harsh mentor who tells the student what they need to hear in order to improve Yeah, you have Yoda bonking uh luke on the head and just being like no, you know, that was lj There is no try He bonked him once in uh in empire, didn't he? Oh, I meant I hate the ghost bonk. It's just that's all I'm saying. Oh, sure But but he bonked his head in empire didn't he at least once Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. You know what made me think of was um, pie may in Bill bill who rebunks her on the on the head as well Yeah, oh, yeah Environment it was made it this is far more valuable. This is what actual office. Look, I lie Which is what it was actual analysis. Okay. Well, I can't Like I said, I I don't like using the word likes there's so much uh intent tied to it But like saying it's really valuable to be told something about the creator.   It's like a movie. It's real And I can't wait to share it with you guys passion and passion what that journey will be like And as always I'll be here with you passion sharing that journey It's been fun to be able to share these moments with you to talk about movies with you as always for so many years now and I'm looking forward to another year of doing that this man has a This is reminding me of um in the simpsons. You remember like what was it? It was subliminal liminal and super liminal Uh I don't I can't tell if I what if I think that's liminal subliminal or super liminal Just wearing a shirt that says I love films basically I can't I can't quite me the the music band I like music band Yeah And informed passion for film the 99 percent of this website including myself Scrape something together Maybe he was he was waiting for the uh, he was waiting for the uh, I guess to get his next order on uber eats to deliver So he was uh, that's now wait a minute mad. No No Makes me feel great that i'm not him Thing wrong Something I've noticed is that people get mad when you explain how studio meddling can impact a movie show instead It's just mindlessly shitting on a crew's work. They don't want not true. Like how this person thinks he explained it He didn't explain anything.  Also, he's not talking about how it can Like impact a movie. He's saying it absolutely did even though he has no evidence Yeah, I have a little bit of evidence to the contrary actually I have no idea, but it did happen, but I Happened, but boy, it definitely happened. That's almost exactly what he said It's crazy. Yeah.   You guys don't do critical thinking.  He's a screenwriter um He's writing it as he goes along. Is it huh? Yeah? Oh my gosh, what do I mean?  We go look at the writer claiming.  He's like, hey have some respect. They're creatives. Okay Yeah, how about no Yeah, you can't create things that are bad. It's it's literally not possible y'all to comprehend that he's trying to be respectful to the Oh, I get it Yeah, I know filmmakers because he is now a filmmaker himself and making movies even under a big studio is very hard What's so hard to understand? There's enough grown men making eight hour podcasts about why superhero movie is bad Not everyone wants to watch a hate circle Chris is right. This is hashtag AVGN in 2016 all over again You're all missing the point. Chris Stuckman is all about love and positivity.  You're all missing the point. Chris Stuckman is all about love and positivity.   I don't know what still that is. Oh, I get this This section is his comment section now So I figure that's a good break if Gary you need to you need to eject. Yeah, sorry. I need to eject.  This is his fans Oh, yeah, I'll watch it. I'll definitely watch it. But um, thank you so much for joining us. It's been Hey, thanks for having me on it's been a lot of fun Take care chat I Thanks for ruining film criticism. I know What a bad bad bad man Happening nothing wrong with calling it out from the outside. Oh, yeah So that that comment is just there's gonna be a lot of true happening in this section Looking in I think chris won't trash a bad film in hopes that if his film is bad, he'd be given some grace That's good observation At this point I can tell that you don't want to criticize movies because you don't want to burn bridges with any studios Directors in the future Video as an example of him doing that he's just too dumb to know it in a sense He had to pick between studio director with this one, you know, right? Like who's to blame and he was like, well studio We'll go with studio. No, uh, remember how he mentioned that um a 24 He said you mentioned them like a positive light. So maybe he's like hey 24, you know Which by the way much more reasonable that they would pick him up than sony would Yeah, that's that's more of a possibility. But yeah, sony and really any major studio at all. I would I would be surprised It's bs because as far as I'm concerned This hasn't stopped quintin tarantino from bashing the lights out of movies. I think that the casting was done Well, uh, woody harrelson and juliet, uh, hallowes would you again? No, I didn't like the casting woody harrelson at all Actually at the time. All right, actually since then, uh, we've even been feuding about this is a quintin tarantino's controversial thoughts on natural born killers He's famously not a fan of it. I'm not feuding but he doesn't like me and I don't because he knows I don't like him Uh, but actually since then he's actually been pretty good in some movies. I've thought in ed tv He was really funny But uh, other than that though, I wouldn't cast him in that at all when I'm like watching the long fight In atomic blonde. I'm like, yeah, my god.   They took a shit Okay, and then we go into the 70s, but then we go into the 80s And that's why you came up with politically incorrect because that was the first this is basically the 80s part two What we're living through right now. Well, I'll just take one more go at it There's gonna be a new golden age Please be there and part of it. Were you a big? By the way, I kind of agree with that sentiment. It's like, please make more movies. I like your one. Yeah The idea that like the way we do for a golden age is like and he's retiring. You're like, please Hitchcock guy, I'm pretty sure once upon a time in Hollywood is a 70 movie Well, they ruined it Yeah Not a hitch cost us some more go at it. There's gonna be a new golden age Wait, what was that? Please be there and part of it. Were you a big Hitchcock guy? I'm not a Hitchcock fan. Really? Yeah, I think he's held back by the haze code. I think he was really Truly held back by the haze code I went to the theaters once to see it and then the scene that I'm gonna say was so bad That I had to leave the funny stuff is still by the way The point of this would be you'd just be so funny for stuckman to be like a quentin Can you you please focus on the studios?   Don't you have an entire series called hilaro city where you essentially laugh at bad movies?  Remember when sonic the hedgehog's trailer released the design was horrendous Intense criticism followed caused the creators to rethink some things design was changed Now the films are far more appreciated and appealing criticism is needed causes people to change sometimes for the better I started a new business faced criticism for my running of said business at the beginning of its formation I listened was humble and took the criticism It's now more successful than I imagined films like many things need to be criticized Helps them become better if the creative team and studios behind him are humble enough to accept it I have to talk about this proceeds to not talk about this So my take away from this is if this was a good movie He would be praising it But because he is making excuses to stay away from saying it's bad, then he must have thought it was really bad I wonder if when he gets a bad meal at a restaurant He says well my steak was poorly cooked and the waitress was very unattentive, but they worked really hard So I forgive them. Oh, no, it wouldn't be that it would be that he would eat it And then when they ask how was the meal he would just get up and leave It would be well No, that would be it would be that would be sort of be smart to get up and leave He would instead say something along the lines of well, you know, not every steak can get I mean It's like going to a restaurant having bad service like terrible fucking service and then tipping them anyway Yeah, well and I'm targeting the um the the parent company like of the whatever thing you're in like it's like this all day I'm sure your manager It's not your fault. You couldn't do anything about it.  Um, uh boy, what uh, I should was like in an interview full bat, you know, hey Chris You recently uh dined at you know, whatever restaurant. How was it? He says well, I don't want to bash them It's like, oh, so it was awful And he's like I just thought about him I don't understand the strange need to defend the writers and directors and somehow blaming the studio for things being bad The team of writers the director are those that fail now The studio is partially the blame too because they okayed it But the people on team have either no history of good results of their work or a consecutive flops Yeah, he even mentioned this but doesn't feel the need to say that it's an important element He's like, it's the studio sony. It's not indicative of anything that the writers have only made bad flop This just feels like someone worried they're gonna burn bridges if they say a film is bad as a director and not a critic It's honestly these comments are like really life-affirming Videos sucked so much and this is like, oh If you believe that chris stuckman is not going to say things are bad because he's worried about burning bridges Then a part of you has to be wondering does he is he gonna say that things are better than they actually are? Because he wants to build bridges because both of these are the exact same sides of the you know the coin here At what point do you say I can't trust this person? He's he's given in he's been to the knee. He's kissing the ring It's also extremely difficult to bake a cake But I don't go around studios asking atm to make one if I don't know how to make a good one There's a difference Everybody who was involved would have been paid at least six figures probably seven Can we now conclude especially with the high level the likes of all these Comments he is at the very least Incredibly poorly communicated his points Yes, he would have to concede that everyone is pointing out the thing that he thinks that he's trying not to point out I mean look at look at this like again, and that's a 1.5k likes between bashing creators and criticizing art I cooked eggs once so now I can't tell you if a restaurant is any good As you can tell I thought it was good because I already had 16 likes and I was like Food critic Chris I have to say this man are Oh Angry joe with 2.6k likes as well after being a follower and subscriber of yours for as long as I can remember Never feel bad about or straight out refuse to criticize something harshly when that piece of media deserves it The second you do that you are no longer a reviewer and that's not bashing madame web That's telling it like it is and you need to continue to do that to maintain credibility People will question if you are being kind to something else for other reasons besides the merits of the media If you refuse to criticize harshly when warranted madame web is a bait and switch It's a waste of money It's a blatant cash in from untalented hacks with some of the most shockingly bad writing in any superhero film to date People need to know that I feel that because you are a filmmaker You act as if you can't do certain things anymore or can now do your job as effectively anymore Which should nt at all be the case you can do both still chris Who are you worried about offending so much? This video was so much soft trending when it's not warranted you talked about everything else But this steaming pile of crap when we want to know what you thought of it that why we clicked That's why we watch your videos never forget that for every shitty writer continuing to do movies like these There are 1000s of other writers and directors like yourself who are trying to make ends meet who are far more talented getting passed over This is something that chris didn't even imagine as a point which is correct. There are people who will accept these jobs knowing For you know lack of a better term They just give up in terms of like way in pushing in in terms of getting creative stuff or they're not even creative They're there for the business side the fact they can make money I can write a shit thing like morbius and i'll eventually get mad at web And i'll just write that too quote unquote and i'll keep getting ready. There's someone next to me like man I really care about writing you don't seem to even Like recognize what you're doing, but no we don't entertain that because he's a creative okay and creative to be descended That's right. There's this element of by allowing these shitty movies to exist They're taking up space that could be reserved for other people Yeah You owe it to your audience to review something harshly when it deserves it not tiptoe around it or sidestep it And just because you bash a film doesn't mean you are bashing the person or people who made it Sometimes it's warranted so all those involved can do better or step out of the way so that others can take their place Don't be afraid to say what needs to be said chris.  No, he didn't and he demanded to be stucmanized The crazy thing I guess that is the 10k sub loss. I was like damn. This is really taking a chunk out of chris chris we want to be stucmanized Get stucmanized. This was sad to watch I guess I won't ever come back to the channel of a movie critic who won't actually criticize a movie fans Why don't you use spider-man in your movies sony? Why make trillions when we could make Billions haha, I just read your description. I see you're earning a cut from people seeking mental help Nice It's comforting to know that when someone is at their lowest that there's a really nice youtuber to come in and take a cut Damn, and that's not even regarding better health controversies. That's just an else. Yeah, that's just the referral link sort of thing Thank to many here something should not be free of criticism because someone worked hard on it That can be said for nearly any movie I think you can just say it for all movies For almost all things many things in life Building a building is hard, but you expect it to remain upright and not collapse on your head You you know cooking can be difficult, but you don't expect to get salmonella Like there's a lot of figs that you just it's hard But there was a purpose that it has to serve Like a functionality a base level of functionality that it has to meet 16 minutes of I don't want to criticize that because maybe I want to work with them someday I missed the old stuckman with the sense of humor back when he was a critic. So oh my god This is that's it for the his youtube section now We're into the I went and had a look at what he used to do because I've been told by everybody That they used to like a lot of his stuff and I will say when I was checking it out. I was like good god.   Yeah The other one is just like staged and fake The blue light. Yeah, look at my blue lights Look, look, it's a it's a mandalorian. That's I sure do love mandalora. This is batman and robin Not only posters but action figures. There's laurikroth tomb raider That's true I love it the happening poster. Yes Go to and uh and iron man and hulk and and toon link Zoe completely missed cast. Oh, yeah, look at this. Look at all of these wonderful things Look at all this stuff. It looks so much real He was rags is distracted by looking at his stuff.   Who is this man Sucked out of this man.  I didn't like it.   It's so boring So they meet up with john legwell. I ruin every movie.  He's starting to this draining out of him now It's like it's still there. Yeah, I see the background. Yeah, we've got the blue idea. We got the n64 We got the snes. We've got the statue. Yes, casual.  Oh, is it? Yeah? Yeah, get out of here. What's the you ruined film discussion? No, that's the nbs.  It's just it's a novelty item this movie This movie is pre-packaged and gift wrapped for the Hilariosities segment The casting choices are odd James Corden and rebel wilson seem extremely out of place and the comedy that they're going for was so Terribly unfunny that I just I locked up. Do you know what I mean? It was like, yeah, it's a B movie You know, you're supposed to be entertained by it. It's like a a movie where it's like, yeah We're cheesy. We're being that way on purpose. That's that's what I'm well. That's right Yes, cheesy B movie because that's what everyone's going to think when they see it This is where I fully checked out from Fred Durst as a filmmaker. I haven't seen a moment in film that on the nose in years The director having a character in the movie specifically like Vogelize that he loves the director's band I've never seen a moment. So in your face is that oh my god. Wait a second. I don't care anymore What were my problems with this movie again? I forgot about everything. I love this movie I'm not gonna criticize the music. I'm also not going to raise this film for its music because for the most part This movie didn't invent any of this. I really don't have anything else to say cats gets in half. This is a short review I know but there is nothing redeeming about this movie. I found it hilarious in all of the wrong ways Insanely boring the story's not a lot everybody worked on it. There is nothing to redeem Yeah, the motion capture is expensive and it takes a lot of work and effort and think about the design And yeah, that's how it used to be a normal human though. You see it. It's all there And he's not a human anymore. He's just like a he's more he's more vegetable than animal Listen, I hated the cg the music was fine, but it's taken from something else This is just an embarrassing movie that never should have been made and I honestly In baffle that it was today he'd be like, I'm not gonna talk about cats Oftentimes the first decision or the first idea that you have when you're writing or in the case of an actor performing Is probably the worst idea Usually when you're crafting say a screenplay and it's your first draft Usually the first idea is good enough to get you from page to page And craft a good first draft that you can then go back and rewrite and rewrite and rewrite And usually you come up with second third. He's giving advice to creatives He's being critical Of the creative process third fourth and fifth ideas that are way better than that first one Because probably the first one was the most obvious In the case of travolta's performance in this movie and the way he's directed It's always the most obvious first choice Exactly what you would think he'd do with a character such as moose So x-men origins. This was an attempt at a big franchise. I think it failed on every level possible directing style cg Acting script. Yes. I mean when a studio makes a film And that film has specific points that reference and make fun of this one deadpool Yeah When another student let us just make a movie and make fun of the last thing we tried to do like that's just It baffles me that this film and the wolverine have the same imdb score It says something about our culture and the blind love for bad things and the blind love for bad things Now we're onto this is going to be the final section, but the okay all I would ask of chris is does he disavow all of what he said in those clips That's an interesting question. You would write it on a resume. He'd be like, I disavow anything I said before 2022 or whatever It is curious that not only do we have him saying that he will never do what he's done before again And that also people saying this is exactly how a critic should act and this is good going forward He's left up all of his most clicked and influential videos that criticize creatives Should he not take them down? Would he continue to benefit financially from something that he condemns in the future? I think that they can be fun. They can be interesting They can be helpful and they can be an exploration of expression And I don't think they should be taken down and I think that he has completely lost his way I think chris duckman has been assassinated by the new chris duckman a cowardly chris duckman Here they go. That's a title. We can go home now I go home Anyway Final section.  I don't know why it took so long This is something that happened and you'll have I feel like I shouldn't give any context to be honest with you. We should just let this play out But the rag isn't back yet and he's gonna want to know the full context for this I suppose we'll just have to talk for a moment But that was quite a journey wouldn't you say because this is like an additional this is this is like a You know, this is like the after credit scene so to speak It was quite a journey. What have you learned cap? What have you learned? um I have learned That uh the way to make it as a filmmaker Is to shit all over the studios you want to finance your movies That's a good strategy They really like it when you do that and it's a great way of ensuring that in the future You'll just get unlimited money to do whatever you want Is that it? Is that all the insight we have today? Is all you can summon sorrow man That wasn't let's ask the other members of our fine panel. What did you guys learn? What did I learn from that video? Oh Oh, well, I I didn't learn it, but I suppose it reinforced it Uh, just say it in a nice tone of voice and you can get away with a lot You should have said that in a nice tone of voice I could have did I say that and I don't know the idea that I probably should have said it in a nice tone of voice But yeah, we just like happily talking about something just like I had, you know, crazy talk about it He's just like the most destructive force for you know, film criticism Yeah, we'll probably just you know, just talk about some other stuff as well. I'm just like, oh, what was that?    I I learned that I feel very sorry Did you um were you a fan of chris duckman before or you just like like what's your your point of view on him? Yeah, I mean I subscribe to him and I like some of his stuff back during that.  I don't know what it is Now like I'm not being you know passive aggressive or anything. I'm genuinely worried Yeah, um because a lot of people are saying that the reason he's ended up the way that he has is because he works So hard on films, you know like so why did that kill his spirit? Mm-hmm Anyway, hey rex that would Hello, hi Like you think that would boost his uh his happiness about films Oh he goes again. Oh, there he goes Well, yeah, uh the Because like we've got a few chapters in e-faps history now on chris duckman And if he does make a response video depending on how interesting it is We might end up covering him again because I'm curious if he would respond to all of this in Some attempt at being coherent because he needs to do so much more work And if he was to try and go as far as saying something like, you know, I don't have the time to work So I'm working on my major projects. It's like, well, then maybe stop making like crazy claims a bit a bit reckless um Yeah, since I have no idea When the rags may or may not return. I suppose we will just carry on also someone mentioned What before we do, um, have any of you seen his video about leaving the jojoba's witness? Uh, oh, yeah, isn't the one where he said he was pansexual or something Uh, I don't remember that part specifically, but honestly, it's probably the best video he's ever made He's not talking about a movie. He's just talking about his experience Growing up as a jojoba's witness. Um, it's a really interesting video on ironically probably the best thing he's ever made So I would recommend that I've heard some people say could it him being uh A part of a jojoba's witness explained the lack of emotion. I was just like but he wasn't lacking emotion once upon a time Yeah, he seemed like he was like an actual I mean like we mean about it, but he did seem quite human You know, like he felt like an actual person He felt like he had emotions and he had things to share and opinions and he wanted to let the world know that I I he didn't say I love movies He implied that he loved movies in the way that he talked about movies And he had a passion for criticizing things and talking about stuff and I like this and I hate that and Some of the joke kind of hit and he was expressive and emotive and he moved his hands He moved physically his hands around he would gesticulate Well, I never watched him and also it was mentioned that we may have covered this before but I mean I don't remember that we did did we do you does this seem familiar to you rags, uh rlm and stuckman Oh, they they had his uh, they were talking about like well, wait, don't say it if you know what it is because Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I do. I do think that I have to all right. Yeah The important part of this is most of the angle that a lot of people have highlighted who he wants to work with But the one angle that I didn't see many people highlighting, but I still think has merit is uh If he can discourage everyone from criticizing filmmakers then when he releases his film He might be able to set a uh easier time for himself instead of dealing with everyone saying nah your shit brrr I think well, I think there's probably some truth to that. I think a lot of Well make content they can have a certain vibe to them that sort of staves off criticism How has he dealt with quote-unquote criticism before? Let us let us see and this episode of review and this episode of review. Who are you gonna call? That's right the ghostbusters What is going on guys? How are you doing? Uh, normally I don't like to make cell phone videos, but I thought why the hell not? Facebook who cares? This is something I was not gonna address or even really worry about but at the same time I care about my fans I want to make sure you guys know how I feel Because you guys really are the best when I say it in the videos. I mean it. You're the best Um, that being said people like to overblow things which is common on the internet. It happens quite often As a lot of you know today. We're talking about the ghostbusters the 1984 comedy film Starring bill Murray dead acorid hell ramison ernie hudson rich a couple weeks ago red letter media my favorite youtube channel Favorite youtube channel have liked them for What 10 years was it oh seven when they started so like nine years?  Oh Fuck love them love their videos Love love love their videos always have you can ask my friends We'll say things in the plinket voice all the time queen oma doll and the bro would have gone as we do it all the time It's the best As you can tell I'm building up something. What did they do to him because he's quite broken right now They've done they've done something to him to make him say all of this and the clips of our lab What I'm building up in the background. They're heading toward making a statement on him and and obviously it's had an effect So it's soon to discover what that is.    Yeah, never got to talk to him though and the first time that I ever got mentioned in one of their videos was jokingly harmlessly Being referred to as a prick. I saw a red curtain. I thought we were that one prick What's his name? There's so many pricks.  No, I did remove them from my channel box though And it was sort of an impulse decision I I mean I don't I don't know. I don't know if I want to like I Yeah, I've okay Like all right, like it clearly bugged you and I guess that's fine.  And then they throw three people on screen and you're just like, uh You do this to me and it wasn't something I did in anger but I think most people in my position when you go out of your way to promote someone um Without ever being asked and you're just doing it because you love their content Yeah, that's what promotion typically is they ever seem to notice you is that Even though it is a small joke Part of me was kind of like, I guess I don't really want to promote them because If that's how they feel about me because as I said, I've never actually gotten the chance to talk to them or meet them Then I guess they probably don't even want to be promoted by me So I took him out of my channel box impulse decision They're back there now in my box because I message them on twitter because I realized they follow me on twitter and I was like, oh, well, maybe Okay, well, I'll send him a private message. I bet you knew that and I did and I was like, we're good, right? Like this is clearly a joke And they replied almost instantly like dude No one here thinks you're a prick Like we're fine, man.  It's just a vibe. All right I don't think he deals with people being mean very well Which is not unreasonable in terms of a human trait But you can move past that and get over it with just a bit of, you know, introspection and Moving on in life and accepting that. Yep. Everyone can be a prick I mean, he must receive all kinds of horrible things from all kinds of comment sections because He's a popular youtuber. That's just like part of the course Um Admittedly you'd be like, yeah, but this is from someone he cares about and it's like, okay But it was clearly for fun. Like they just they called him a prick. It's like, I don't know why this is detrimental. It wasn't even they weren't even doing an impression of him I think it's not even clear that he was the one they're even talking about Yeah, because rich sounded way more lively than chris does Maybe yeah, maybe he was referencing old chris Exactly. It's all good We're all friends here. You know, we're all adults. We talked for a bit on twitter privately and that was it No one's upset. No one's angry. No one. I don't believe you mad. Everything's good. We're all adults here. Like I said Why did you make It's just look all right I'm I'm I'm my my thumb is hovering over the x button right now. Okay It's hovering over that x button.  Oh, I was I was pc game I was no, you're I was I was just in pc game mode. I was thinking I was thinking it's so weird Press the a button then like the the circle button or the x button with your I'm so I'm up. I'm a pc gamer. I don't think about controllers. Everything. So I was like I just thought it was so strange that it was the eddy s and then You totally play pc game controller though as well. Yes, I have it was just been so long ago that when you say press x I think like the keyboard the letter x That was like, oh my god The only issue is that I forgot to put them back in my channel box.  Yeah, that's the point he's trying to argue. He's not upset, but he's very upset It's very easy to remove somebody from your channel box.  Yeah, but you chose to do it Because you were mad and it's okay kind of Well, yeah, this is this is supposed to illustrate I think this informs his perspective on the whole like we should stop being mean to people who make films Right because on the one time that he got called a prick in a joke by rlm. It really bugged him This this hurt him a bit. Yeah Again, if you're not you're never gonna you cannot convince the world to not be critical That's just not like that is That's like an impossible task. I don't even know what that looks like Where you could just convince people en masse to just be chill Whenever they decide to drive to the theater spend however much it costs to buy a ticket, you know Sit there for a couple hours Because over here you can be paying 20 bucks Yeah, maybe And and then sit there and watch a film and then walk out of it and just go like Kind of didn't like that movie. You're like, I don't I don't know How you can ever expect to embark on the journey of convincing people to not have gut reactions to the things that they see ever Um, you just have to accept that if you're going to create stuff, you're going to get criticized Sometimes it's going to be fair.   That would have been pretty straightforward Yeah, he teaches us clear to direct our criticism, maybe mm-hmm But instead he said I won't review it because I don't want to bash a movie Well when you're if you if your dream comes true and you do get put in charge of making big movies and writing them and directing them You better you better. You better be really good at doing that because even even in the unnecessarily cruel video He should probably recognize like there's times where it can be really entertaining or it can be as part of an art project in and of itself There's a lot of things in the world like satirist satiristic Productions that are based on trying to make fun of another thing. Yeah His apparent love of filmmaking it never comes through in his videos now It's the most boring dull flat-shotted look trailer footage kind of stuff. You can come up with You you'd have to he would have to tell you over and over and wear t-shirts that explicitly stated and insist over and over No, no, I really do love films. That's why that doesn't show up in my videos in any way how I shoot like Cinematic fit them when both of the times that we've covered him the second time he was on great video He actually did something that was like interesting and clever Where when he responded to his old video he shot it Like but he bought a jacket to match the old one that he had he found the tree He acted like he was a time traveler responding to his past self Like if I've get more I get more filmmaking vibes from that then I've really ever seen from chris stuckman I mean to be phased the passion used to be there, but like even in production. He never really implemented any Um of what he learned in filmmaking into his youtube videos, which he could have It's an impulse thing where I thought to myself. Well, if that's really how they feel about me Then I I guess I don't really have to promote them anymore But I wasn't going to say anything about it I can't speak for the the person in the video that they were clearly making fun of because it isn't the first time They've made fun of that person either And like I said, he is my friend. So what is it meant to be that they're making fun of either germany johns or armad skeptic I don't know what conclusion he's reaching but the condition he should have reached was just they just sounded a bit of fun It wasn't me. Yeah, it was a fun joke. Yeah, it's just a little joke. Just a little joke joke It was kind of like But like I said We talked about it like red letter media and I actually got to talk about it Fine. No one's mad. No one's angry. Nobody's angry. People are overblowing things as usual Um, he's mad to be honest or you to be called a prick by red letter media in a video is kind of a compliment Is it? No, but um, how is it? You didn't treat it like it was a compliment. No, you go very upset.    And then you you like cry and then you come up to them later and say you're still my best friend, but I just thought you should know that I just wanted to make sure you knew when you push past me you hit you hit me and When you think you were best friends you did hit me, but the ultimate is kind of funny But we're still best friends. Just like what the fuck's happening. I think it was really a compliment that you did it I'm glad you did it actually now that we've talked about it All right, sorry, and then we talked about it. I was like, oh, it's fine, you know Is it weird that he's in a room that's like dark blue? Is it weird? Yeah, I think that's kind of I feel like the most normal color for a wall is is cream slash white Yeah, because you want to because the color of your walls is going to be it's going to impact how bright the room gets, right? That's right. It's really important for interior design what your sources of light are and you know East and west facing windows things of that nature. Oh my god rags the architect here Yeah, my parents are architects um But it's it's just it's odd to me that he has a dark blue room I wonder what the reason is this like his movie room where he watches movies and stuff because that might make sense Maybe if that's his place where he watches all this stuff because you'd want a darker room for that Maybe that's it.  I am working a lot right now on them I need to stop eating dominoes pizza though because it's so easy to just order a pizza When you're editing it's so easy to do that Okay, you guys ever do with the grease effect your brain? That's me I will say I will say that on the on the topic of food. I was gifted for my birthday an air fryer Oh, hell yeah, they're they're pretty I've never had an air fryer before now. Let me tell you The whole new world of possibilities has been opened up for me so far. I've really been enjoying my air fryer. So Something to think about if you need something quick and easy Hell, yeah air fryer is a great. Oh, yeah I've been doing like broccoli and green beans with them some chicken thighs We even tried some bacon in it, but like veggies and stuff. Oh, excellent highly recommended good good stuff Oh, yeah, that's on my uh, that's on my to-do list because you know, I love my I love potatoes. Oh boy. I love potatoes So that's it the adventure complete I learned so much What did you learn rags? Hmm Yes, you weren't here when we were talking about what we learned so you got to provide an answer Give me give me about a minute. Let me think about it And I'll switch you this food Okay What are the generic questions? Can we ask about what we've been through today? Uh, I'll I have a random thing So I I can I keep coming back to david fincher in my mind because I feel like he's a filmmaker that actually has a rather mature understanding of the sort of relationship between Filmmakers and studios he rather infamously was a victim if you want to use that word of intense studio meddling Rather famously alien three was a disaster and he disowned the movie But he since then has said a quote that I quite like that I come to I come back to a lot when I hear people talk like this about studios He says I don't make movies in spite of the people who pay for them It's like yeah, of course. I like that quote a lot. Yeah I'm not doing it to like get one over on them. All right. They like they're a partner in the process I don't fund to my own movies They're a necessary part and I tell them exactly what I want to do and why and explain it all to them And then we make the movie Like an adult Yeah, that's right. Yeah Like a bunch of like because that's what movie making is it's a collaborative process Collaborative process between a lot of different people that have different roles That all ultimately create something that's bigger than their individual part If you're a director you have to know how to be able to talk to the costume designers and the hair stylists and the You know set people and the film guys and the best boy, whatever that guy does Um, you're gonna have to find out, you know, what what do you do and how do we all make it work? I'm kind of like the leader of this team Do you think about what you've learned? I did think about when at first off I learned don't don't call chris duckman a prick even jokingly He'll take it very seriously, and you'll be very upset um Twitter's a cesspool There really is a lot of Probably tactical advantage that can be gained from Playing the nice guy and a lot of people want that sentiment But I think that when it actually comes to it people are not going to live that sentiment Um, chris can't do it because he he doesn't seem like he's a bright lad And he doesn't understand that what he was saying isn't the entire time in that video Was what he claimed to be the opposite of what he's saying, and I don't think he's pulling a 40 chest on us um, I learned that People understand the difference broadly and this is good people understand the difference between being critical and being like in personally attacking someone and The people want things to be criticized And I think that you're failing sort of your yourself appointed duty as a movie reviewer By not criticizing the things that need it because it's the other side of praise Um, you are undermining people's trust in you when you have this attitude and when everyone can see it Even if you haven't said it explicitly everyone knows the game that you're playing um And ultimately I've also learned especially with its last segment watching the clips of old chris duck Or it's like I guess he was It's where he was younger back then but old chris stuckman was that He he seemed like a really, you know neat guy who was very down to earth very human and relatable And it seems that in a sort of subtle and semi terrifying way he sort of been chewed up and spat out by this aspiration That he doesn't want to be he thinks that being a first-rate youtuber Is maybe That in and of itself isn't good enough better to be a filmmaker who makes real stuff Because when I when I look at his videos, I never see that spark of creativity I never see that desire to make things and to and to let your self expression flow through what is ultimately a medium Where you are essentially creating many movies You're making five to ten little mini movies about you and how you feel about things You have camera equipment. You have access to editing.  Whether it's you know movies or video games or music or you know Like art or any of these sorts of things to try and focus in as much on What is it about that medium that you find exciting that you want to learn how to do and get less out of the mindset of like the status Symbols that can be attached to a lot of these sorts of things of like i'm a filmmaker working in hollywood Rather than the lowly youtuber who's sitting in their home office, you know making something that they're really passionate about and excited about and putting a lot of work into um But like that attitude can be because it seems like there's so many people who basically view like youtubers Well, that's the lesser thing. That's the stepping stone to the real thing that I want to do Rather than an end in and of itself absolutely always better probably To be a first rate youtuber instead of a second rate filmmaker Well, it's it's funny because you could go for the whole like big fish and a small pond or whatever But it's like it's not really that it's just you're a fish in the pond that you like It's a nice pond It's it's and then the people are saying yeah, but that other pond's better It's like I mean you say that but like this pond's real nice You know this pond's real nice and I got access to plenty. What if what if what is like a regular fish eat? What are they what are they? Other than smaller fish potentially No, I was that was my first answer other fish, but they like plants like algae.   What does tha