And away we go. Oh my god, have we go'd? Oh, there's the after there's a notification for it. Hey All right, just needs to go hit the go live button You know in my day didn't have a go live button What did they have in your day old man? I don't even remember everyone listen That episode is really good levitt of Troy everyone should watch it ten times episode An old man is talking He's speaking to old future. Um is coming back. I guess. Mmm. Yeah, wait. No, it is He's not gonna be a part of it now, I think that's uh, I think that's the main like news story surrounding it Are they gonna to use respeacher for him Oh Like if you can't get him back why even bother legitimately money. Oh, yeah, I mean, I know But the money, but the money That's like always the answer for all of these basically are they getting rid of the character or is it just John st John who's not voicing him? John yeah, we're not John st. John.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we have a show that's primarily known for getting canceled And we need to bring it back to make more money From what I understand it's that if that they may be just recasting for bender, which is yeah, like yeah You're not gonna get away with that Yeah, I mean, it's like following Heath Ledger's Joker and like good luck Is there any word on why don't John to match up like who could they get the web when done it where we would always be like, okay? Okay, sure fine. I don't know No You just sign up to watch it like Charles dance his bender I mean, I it would be interesting to see Mark Hamill play bender But that doesn't mean he's gonna be good at it necessarily Wait mark Hamill's playing bender or is it? No, I'm just saying it like that would be interesting I would tune in to see that but I don't know that he would necessarily be good just because he's a good voice actor No, that's just no, I don't I don't see him in the role. I just don't what if they go Amy Schumer?  Let's find out if she does Hi, everyone. Oh Hey, the ginas are funny, so Actually, the funny little things we got we were all here. I say all Metal is dead.  Yeah, but he'll be fine.  No that that no that ends with and And so the second in a series of five streams about arcane Yes, this is streamed to of 17 because we're gonna obviously Talk about the show several times over once you've gone through the first time You only know what like a fraction of the things that even happened because you were playing video games. Weren't you? Someone out there feels victimized right now Man, it's good. I were playing video games. I Like video games. I think that it's a big your theory Whatever you speak to somebody about the criticism of the show that they're like were you Playing video games when you watch I mean it's startlingly common with people just like completely miss reading media or missing the most obvious Shit, I can only assume that they're just doing something else on their other monitor Yeah, that's common I did miss stuff the first time through arcane when I mean full attention But I didn't miss anything at all. I got every single thing. I only rewatched it because I'm like, oh, I Guess I could We watch it to assert dominance better to do T pose on arcane now we have a little bit of a little bit of a cap I say a little bit because literally like it's no it's the kind of cap that any of the podcast only We we may only go for around five hours ish, okay So we should probably just get run in I have no idea how long it'll take us to get through these episodes now because this is Act 2 that's how it was released. Okay. It's the second of the of the three acts terrifying That is pretty terrifying. I figure because it's just it's just slowing with the previous stream that we should just get going Is that alright with everybody? We're just gonna jump right in. Yeah, I guess that's all right I suppose we could do that all right in first a word from keeps from keeps No, it's the I was gonna say the beard care thing. It was like no way. That's it's the head It's just hair. You're gonna keep your hair You don't want to be it's made of hair dude imagine It was the ad was like a lot of better losing their beards time to keep you if you find a beard Please contact this number below so we can find its rightful owner of beard in the in the wild You've been stealing beards I grew up surrounded by beard Thought we were sponsored by trungos Well, I mean what we get sponsored by all kinds of really great products like quib gift Into we don't need to be paid to promote trungos believe a new nor we do They're both incredible Do you see the socks this month from from web gifts?  Oh, I haven't checked those out yet I've just been so busy, you know, I gotta I gotta log on and check out the quib gift socks Second I got on my start hiking. I was like these are these are hiking socks You got a broken in days today. I became a hiker Socks are okay, but the the sockless toes. That's really where it's at. I didn't realize this joke was gonna derail so hard We should get into this. Oh, wow. Okay, mr. Sessed with arcade I'll I'll give you the opener so you can give us your incredible commentary. What do you think of stanwick pedidly, huh?  I guarantee you Theo could answer that question Theo get off me and answer the question right now. Yeah, I know the answer to that question Well, that's actually kind of a funny like little it's like a little litmus test who here even knows what I'm talking about I know rags wouldn't and they would be fair to say that but I assume the people who've rewatched this show I literally thought you were making up a one-bow word for fun. Nope. Nope. No, it's a real thing It's a real thing. We've been with it the whole time. It's not one bow or simpsons or Buffy or anything. It's Well, is that the name of is that the name of Heimerdinger's cat? No, it's a name of somebody else that uh, well, I guess should we not spoil it It's not a surprise you did you were close enough rags. I give you the little trophy. Okay, you get it It's all shiny and well, you're the one who had no faith in me whatsoever from the beginning. Well, you've guessed So I think that falls through what I said No, there's a fair guess you tried I give you that there's a statue Right, that's in the open is because big old statue that the Heimerdinger is looking at he says Stamac pedidly He says everything he built like broke or exploded yet Here he stands because he set his own interest side for the good of the world Nothing he could accomplish would compare to the work of his students or at least that's what he believed and it made him Very important to pilt over which is an interesting thought just to keep in mind about this Stanwick pedidly um Funny enough, I think No, go ahead I just wanted to mention Stanwick pedidly is a character pulled from the law But his function is very different in in the in the law Stanwick pedidly steals Victor's credit for a few inventions, which is You know, I guess soon that got reworked. Well, they changed him up. No, that's still a thing. Yeah That's not how it is in our game because in our game he was just an assistant and he didn't make any No, I mean, that's how it is in the law. It's not how it is in our game Okay, but like with Stanwick pedidly dead or yeah, he's dead So if he's dead, then how can he steal from Victor now? Well, you can't that's what the difference between like the legal or in like the shows. Yeah. Yeah, League of Lore Well, you're telling me so you're telling me that they the show is gonna be completely different from the law It court it diverges very heavily from the law or at least that's so that's gonna be interesting So a lot of people were saying that because of the law existing then that spoilers for the characters that don't die This could mean that any one of our protagonists can be fucking killed in the next season They could be bottled at any point They could be pediddle-e'd yeah Nobody wants that No, I was I was in charge of the writing team and I was like, oh We've got a character named Stanwick pediddle-e'd like I would make sure to work that in right.   Yeah talking as though you watch all of them Wow, I want League of Legends. Do you play Jay? Hmm? All three who's your main? Yeah, who are you? I'm a Dinger or I'm fine. I'm a Dinger main I mean you passed the test Jane. I don't know how you knew that name Well cuz I play the game Yeah, they're um they're talking about like the progress that's been made and pilled over and the big event that is progressed I know it's funny for a second. I was when I was watching this like me a bit a bit over it getting a lot of Exposition we need I suppose but it's actually for a reason The Jays is all stressed out because he's gonna be doing the progress day speech. It's like what And the hymen thing has said he's he's usually the one well I think Jays says the hymen thing is usually the one that does it But he wants Jays to do it this time around and it's because of the amount of progress they've made in eight Seven years. I think it's seven years seven year time gap Seven something like that. Yeah, which includes the well the the hex gates have been constructed and are functioning which I think it's gonna begin our first discussion for good old world building because With everything you knew in those past three episodes. It's like a standard then you add the seven to eight years or six to seven Whatever There's gonna be differences, but what would they be now? I think when you watch Jays crack the the hex tech in the scene. They have like flashes of the rise spell and So I bring that up because I saw I've seen some discussions here and there in discord And I resist jumping in because I'm like, oh Some people say some stuff. That's just interesting. That's all So I saw someone saying how fucked that they've introduced this teleporting thing with the hex tech ruins everything And they added a list of different things it ruins But one of them right at the top was what the hell is this anyway? Oh, you fiddle in with some arcane magic You you you float a little bit when you crack it and suddenly you're teleporting that doesn't make any sense at all Yes That's that's the main thing that would be given what's been established So yeah, he puts the little cog wheel through the center thing and it zips out the other side That's what rise did. It's what rise did that was rise a spell. It was a teleporting spell So yeah, and the cog was a reminder of that.  It's like, I don't know it's magic Like they get to really set the rules here We're not dealing with established rules of some kind of long history We're dealing with this is the magic system and what it can do being established properly for the first time There's no no contradictions here Yes, it's a matter they get to tell us what the magic can do and then we will go from there And apparently they figured out the teleporting thing and it's being used for commerce, which is it's not like pretty interesting It's not like force heel being introduced in like, you know the ninth installment Luckily in order to get the protagonists out of a very difficult position. It's also With the way it's implemented at Karen, it's also fairly restrained. I want to say because I was a dramatically restrained It's not even weaponized in any way Stipulation they introduce later on that isn't quite explicit yet is the the hex crystals of this kind They cannot be used for any portable devices. So whatever's built with them is like stuck in place So we can't just carry around a personal teleport or anything Yeah, and so that's though. That was the first criticism I saw and I was just like that's just it's just fine All right chill, but second criticism I saw I told Frank about this one because I was just it's just so fun They were like this is broken Because it's been seven years with this technology by now Noxus or another region should have invaded them for this technology What? What should they really? Like it like it would just be a thing that would happen. Just you know how geopolitics works I just like I was amused reading it like noxious in the newspaper. It's like they've cracked teleport It's like all right get the army Boys together yeah noxious is on the border I see you to learn that that's not how it works. I don't know we get we get told relatively quickly the noxious is is Trading with them. Yeah using these these portals. So Yeah, I imagine but but like I don't want to jump ahead but like Noxious is interested in them show definitely puts that forward But they're not interested in the sense that they're going to kill Piltover and take it. That's not They're also I mean you think that might be a lot of effort and also not worth that effort considering You're already trading with them with the hex gates There might be something that hasn't been revealed yet about one of the leaders of Piltover and their relationship with Noxus That might give you a really good explanation as to why Just in vain. It's just why they might have a diplomatic trade relationship It'd be so much more complicated than you have something I want. I'm gonna kill you like I doubt That's how the regions cooperate or ever have really Noxious the most warlike of them doesn't operate like that It used to when it was when the law was you know more Black and white I guess with the Marcia is the good guys and noxious is the bad guys But uh, let's throw these days And so we'll get into um what what what is it them cracking teleporting? What kind of repercussion should that have for for their society? Do you think is there anything that the show doesn't very do very well? Do you think between the water? Yeah, I? Mean I guess it's not explored super much I mean mostly we know that it's used for trading yeah at this point We don't really know much else so I mean I think a reasonable criticism might be that you don't see enough of the impacts Or that you could explore it more this may be a way that you could put it if someone wanted to give that as a criticism, I think that's pretty reasonable because Like I don't I don't have a great understanding of exactly how it works or what the limitations are exactly how it's being used Right, but in terms of what we actually get it. I don't have much of a problem with it I don't think I would call it fair for it for you to criticize the show for not going more into something that isn't like Directly about its main cast and its characters and its story I would say they could but I don't think I would say it's a criticism that they didn't yeah And not to mention there's a lot that just goes unmentioned because the other characters know that they're just Already aware of what's going on so they don't need to exposit a speech Every time something is introduced because a lot of characters are of the understanding that the other characters already privy to the information and so That's again this the show does a lot of show don't tell and kind of treats the audience with more respect than most shows do honestly So I would if you think that you're stupid I would go as far as I'm a dingy, especially once you've got the full show probably is the Full representation of everything is done securely and safely over time And so I wouldn't be surprised if this is literally the only use of the technology right now just that that gate being used I can imagine Jason Victor bounced some more ideas off of him, but I was like no we're just going with this one Yeah, and it probably took a while to get that one through I'm sure he was against it It's sort of thing, but it's not hard to imagine that with the benefits it provides that he was outvoted or something like that Because yeah That it was it was part of it being like shouldn't it have like way more of an effect on the entire city society and possibly The whole world to have invented something like this and I'm just not sure what changes we should have seen that we didn't see Trade has been increased in speed significantly for very particular elements like it It's not like everything is transported that way now. It's the particular things are It's more for like higher Yeah, it's changed Piltova's geopolitical status. They're a shipping lane now Yes Fantastic for that. Mm-hmm. Um, you might yeah, you might be able to say there isn't enough of a contrast Maybe because like Piltova Piltova would logically become much more prosperous But I don't think it's established well enough how prosperous they are in the first three episodes to really make a contrast But again, that's that's pretty nit-vicky You don't need to establish something like that. You just need to establish that it is booming now, right? Which I think yeah, I think that's really fair with the beginning of the opening of progress day. Everybody's yeah It's very clear that buildover is Prospering yeah, if if the show opened with episode four, right? And I mean you could do that you could basically just lose the four first three episodes and start I mean, you would lose a lot of great storytelling But you could start the story at episode where it picks up at episode four and you would It would make sense. I think you could follow it Yeah, it's just that you miss out on a lot of foundational stuff that give you yeah the thing is If we did start with hey this new technology was invented eight years ago We wouldn't be then like and I don't think anyone would be saying well You know, it's not really established how it was working out how well we were doing before so we can't really contrast because yeah, you know We can imagine understood Well, yeah, it's just understood that don't really need to To see it to understand that a change has occurred. Mm-hmm Yeah, like I'll probably have some criticisms of the magic system at some point But I don't think it's a problem right now I would hasten to like cover the bases and say it's perfectly fair for one to start to Wonder and also probably be worried about what this technology is capable of. Yeah magic It's not too far away from time and travel for me with with writing.  Time travel is just like a narrative cul-de-sac that you just get lost in Yeah, so I would say that it's the reason why I would say that is because Magic can make things a little bit like you can be like Oh, does that really like how things interact in the world or like, you know, just how how real world science is impacted by it Like there's sometimes that can be a bit murky but like time travel is at the root It's cause and effect like you are you are playing with fire when you are doing time travel Yeah, and in your story, you know exactly you can still set limits for magic and Everything in between but when it comes to time travel you can try and set all the limits that you want But it seems time travel always contradicts itself Yeah, the only the only good time travel movie I've seen is primer that I can think of are there any other good ones? Because it's been done a lot. So I think the terminator is a good time travel film Because I feel like an easy interpretation of the time travel in that film is It happens and we got like a new timeline now when I need to think about the timeline that they came from Like it's it's just irrelevant now. Doesn't I get a good time travel movie or just the The time travel time travel is an element doesn't compromise the story Yeah, I didn't even think of that as a time travel movie. Obviously terminated when it's pretty good Because ryan johnson was right when describing that movie, but not when describing his own not wanting to describe looper Um, wait, wait, wait. I hope that you describe it. He said that in looper Uh, it's like terminated with the time travel. It sets up the story and then gets out of the way That couldn't be further from the truth. No I'm Has he not seen the film he made No, he probably hasn't before the stream zack snider can't read Wait, that's that's a different piece of the color I just want to accept the conclusion if this isn't zack snider can't read ryan johnson his his alter ego is zack snider He's like, yes Now I could finally be free from my confines of a brain and I could make all the stupid movies I always wanted to make I will be zack snider. Dude those two should team up Yeah, they should then they can make a movie that's I don't know what would their combination movie be well I suppose they can make a nice out, but like the opening is just daniel craig covered in blood holding nice That man shows up Yeah, yes It's called knives out it opens on I throw up whenever I see someone killed That would be funny to listen to Riot is like I want a shot where like it shows, you know Daniel craig is like standing above all of the people and he's just like no blood blood We need blood death We have like a like a fist fight between all of the characters in this room right now And then a zombie tiger could jump in through the window Oof cool Then they have to and then they pull out machine guns and one of them has a katana and it is very cool Zack snider would be like I have a great color correction filter to use on this film And it like completely desaturates it makes it about 70 dark Very cool Zack snider would be like I have a great color correction filter I could put on this film And then just puts on a pair of sunglasses How did it change the colors of everything in the world? That's amazing. How did it do that? Do I also know this power? We're a tenth of our time is up already That happens, um I'll keep doing that in fractions because everyone loves fractions and by showing us This this progress has been made with the hex gates Very clear time has passed and I would say a big indicator of that as well is that Heimerdinger has a lot of Sort of he's he's very respectful toward jace and even says you deserve this honor, which Quite a difference compared to the last time they were talking.  It's like no Heimerdinger's a wino Priorities and things that he cares about.  This is very unsafe Wait, what if a Karen is the manager because he is kind of the manager in a lot of ways, so I would like to speak to myself the manager. Oh god. We're bringing Zach Snyder and the singularity towards fight Karen Dinger Um But yeah, one of the the first visuals you can start to spot is that there is this man of progress things being Printed on like all kinds of different things banners cups and stuff With jace's face. It's like oh, that's that's definitely a change And we see some mechanical butterflies. Ain't they cute I wish I wish to plant a flag in that I'm gonna plant flags as we as we go with lots of different things I think I'd do it with first three episodes because we're gonna do all kinds of callbacks You better be ready for that.   Uh, I was actually looking over this, um Yesterday when I decided to take a break from editing book about that reaction episode 7 coming out possibly tomorrow Uh, yeah, oh my god the finale Uh, just just just want to throw that out there chat if you saw book about that.  I Okay, katelyn kiriman. Yeah.  That's changed then like, um He's now like fully accepted and even used as a As a as a boon to their like achievements and stuff I'll just use him as a boon. They did and they will They put his they put his face on posters. I guess to plant this seed already. You may notice that someone else isn't here While all this is going on. Jesus. Yeah, I mean, there were two people at crack techs tech He used to be the one I was not around that much. Um The uh, yeah, but then we get uh Almost a reintroduction to katelyn just add some of the stuff you've known from the first three episodes But this is more of a strong introduction to a character Especially there's a lot of dialogue that gives you the baseline for what she's going to be up to Primarily being jays is making fun of her for being on guard here when there's literally like no crime at all But um, that's thanks to him mom is what we figure out because she doesn't want her anywhere near actual danger um And he says she says like she's annoyed and then he says well, it's not it's your fault for not following a career more Befitting your station See we've got class issues. Can you believe it? Hey Um, yeah, and katelyn said she'd do anything to keep me from seeing the real world One of them fundamental lines I would say and it describes a lot about a person Yes A lot about a pretty great character Oh god, I feel like this fight's already brewing bubbling. Who knows? I don't know. Anyway, so they see the ship the shipping lanes and um There's this there's this weird guy on like a a board of some kind holding a stop watch Get in toward it. He looks villainous.   So You know, yeah, pretty much surprise.   There's another detail about her I'll try and pick out if I can find it but Yeah, it's um, it's kind of neat because like every person you see who was in the first three It's just like the show kind of wants to try and be like Tell you some stuff without telling you it straight away and um We'll get to that soon enough with some other characters, but Yeah, she gives the money everything's great But it's about to move on but these pesky board people they just they just rush in an attack board people you look Yeah, they're so racist Board people people of board people of board who uh Have pretty interesting tech and they have like masks that also modify their voices and when they come in they throw Like crystal things at people and it freezes them up uh temporarily and They they say that they even the leader seems to have a timer to Make sure he knows when they're gonna break out because it's only temporary Which is pretty interesting whoever these guys are they don't seem to want to kill people or if they can avoid it They'll they'll do it.  Nobody's gonna think that's balanced Five minutes. You're you're stunned for five minutes.  It feels like 10 minutes Please let me go a long time in gameplay terms um But yeah, so obviously Silco must have some kind of deal with the people involved with these things via money to sell shimmer And these ships are going through those lanes.  Whoever they may be party poopers. Yeah But um, they seem to be that's funny. That's when they said, oh the party poopers are here That's the name of their organization party poopers So they feel like more and more terrorist sex and like Organized crime needs needs to prioritize humor when coming up with that name. Yeah, that's why that's why they attacked on progress day Because they're party poopers.   What exactly is happening? um And two of them go below deck. I guess uh to check To see if there's more to destroy down there Um, but then like they're trying to do like a creepy thing Like what's what's what's what's going on here? And uh, they accidentally trip something the locks the room and you see a little um little drawing which I think is enough to already give it away for most people Um, given we we've seen a character draw something of this type of animal and in a very jagged way before Well, I was actually gonna I was gonna say I'll I'll try and grab up a little comparison here Like so this is what they see and uh I would say it looks a lot like this, which is something that who's all drawn up by powder back in the day Uh in the sort of main area But the drawing she's done this time kinder Reminds me of something Does it remind you guys of something? Yeah One that might have caused a few problems So um This is the thing I'm trying to avoid praising the show too.   All right Lots of information is sent right into my brain worms I have them lots of them.  What what does she become as a result of this like oh jeez? because um She's essentially a psychopath in the game Yes, and that's not off the table for uh what we see in the first three episodes plus seven years of being brought up by These these lots so bad one Yes, um She like Uh Goes past them real quick and attaches six grenades. I really wish it was just two because like Man you attach three on each of them real quick. It's impressive. She must have had like some kind of Like three in a in each hand, which I'm sure Uh, though, obviously it doesn't really matter one or three.  No, how many how many do you do in the game? Oh, he's like incredibly low damage And yeah, it doesn't do any damage mainly uh stun control ability. Yeah, I was just saying how many how many of the chompers get launched I think I think it's three or five three.    She's um, I mean, she's cool Well, I uh, I I don't know how everyone feels about that. You know, I don't I dare I ask Everyone think that she's cool or not. I don't know I think she's very cool and like the the suspense on the scene is pretty pretty great I think sometimes she crosses the edgy line for me, but you know, I think she's cool like a lot of the time Yeah, um, I feel like I I've I've heard people refer to her as like a Jared Leto Joker when how like extreme she can be sometimes Not even close. I don't know that we can have that conversation just yet. We're gonna need a lot more references But that is definitely a conversation that we're gonna have to have because it's a lot of people have brought it up A lot of people feel that way They may be wrong But what what I what I will say is like she represents kind of an archetype And the archetype has been done very badly a lot of times and I think that she's a very good version of that archetype It's um, it's it's such an easy It's such like, hey, let's bank over how cool this character is archetype that just becomes so cringe immediately If they do it with that attitude yeah um, obviously the main reference would be margot robbie's Harley Quinn for recent years, right?   Uh, you guys remember birds of prey No Not well no Didn't see it. It is a sludge movie. That's hard to recall. I agree Well, because I think the whole point of that film was like, uh, moving on from mr. J You know, like that was basically the whole point of that film and I think by the end we're meant to believe that that's what happened I don't know if it was like and then in like the suicide squad it felt like she was pretty static She's she's there because it's Harley Quinn and everybody likes Harley Quinn, right? And she would have to announce that she's a bad guy And like the thus wait. Yeah, it's suicide squad not the suicide squad to make sure no one's that's not confusing at all, right? We're bad guys. It's what we do That was the first one. Yeah Yeah, um But yeah, she knocks out two of the four people who are the body people in this area Straight away and then she's obviously knocked down two below Um, I keep wanting to call him by his name, but I'm like, I guess I shouldn't yet A leader that throws two of those christly things at it. She dodges one and shoots the other one And uh, I don't know just that She she's been getting good We should go with that pistol. I think we're about to talk about her aim with a different weapon soon Um, but I just I like this shot. You can see the the batman I I mean, he's not batman, but he's a man who seems to have bat features That the species is called cheerians or I'm not sure what the pronunciation is. Is there a is there a champion who's one of those? There is not a champion. There is however a bunch of like cards in the card game Okay I would just buy the comic book that the type if the title was Man who seems to have bat features Hahaha My old What a picture of a person with like some pointy ears and like a nose like that with question marks all around him Like he appears to have bat features Yeah um Yeah, he goes for it. She dodges and shoots him and I think his mask Uh, all he dodges it. It's kind of hard to tell it's pretty quick. Yeah, so it's a very Very quick maneuver But she does kick him over and then jumps and lands specifically on his head, which um I probably hurt a little bit It breaks his mask Um, meanwhile, uh, the leader and uh, subordinate are just desperately trying to get the job done now, which is to explode the Or at least burn the the shimmer I'm not sure does shimmer explode or does it just burn? It appears to explode in concentrated issues or anything like that But it's like it by itself. It seems to be like an accelerant Yeah Well, we watched because in the in the third, yeah, it's basically like gasoline because we saw it in the third episode It was trailed along the floor and then it like followed up to the lab where there was like a bunch of it And then it blew up. So it's basically like gasoline um He signals his friendo to to drop the flare to burn it and she grabs it By the way, look at her. Uh, look at it. Look at her nail varnish there. Look at that detail robots I mean Yeah, like seriously because you'd think Especially with the style they could have just made it a single color for each nail Instead we got all the the scratchy removal pieces of it and um You can if you look at all the the details of the colors and the reflections on them, it's just like You don't have to do that But you do it anyway, um jinx grabs The hand and hits her in the head with a the the butt of the pistol and it knocks off the the mask and it's vye Or at least she thinks it is Um, because the girl also thought it was I very much like that they give it to you from her perspective First I'm I'm appreciative of that.  Yeah, that's the girl. She's actually grabbed But uh, you can understand the mistake kind of I think she would say that's the hair uh And then we get flashes of memory and now this is not like boba fat Where they're like, do you remember all the tusks that died? Is that sad?  This is this is a clash. She has a clash of of of thoughts You can see it in her expression. She's just trying to process. Yeah Whatever the fuck's going on in her head. Well, look at that uh, that image right there Some the really scratchy line work is uh, it's just makes a lot more chaotic as an image um This is something this is something that the show I think does exceptionally well, which is like um surreal explorations of the mind Uh, there's a bunch of different shots that do that in different ways, but I found it to be very effective It's something I really like but it's not done very well in film all that often. So I really appreciate that Um, in this case it feels like another just good example of utilizing the medium Absolutely, uh Though, um, you know, I'm not unaware of criticisms of this moment, right? So the first one I've seen is that um, wow, is it so hard to try and use your other arm to help you get out of being grabbed I think all you've got here is that the girl is panicking and she's been hitting the face with a pistol So maybe she's a bit Woosy, but yeah, it doesn't seem like she's putting as much effort as she could into escaping. Yeah I would say that this is not as bad as in endgame a film that I haven't been thinking about lately Where Thanos is about to get an axe pushed into his face by Thor and he just leaves his left arm Just there not doing anything for a small five second Yeah, this is really quick as well and it's kind of difficult to understand exactly how much time has passed because it's uh Jinx's mind is going all over the place Yeah, um, but then the other criticism is are they not standing in fire right now? And also look she's using your other hand look she is there.  They're both standing in the pool Yeah Right in it, yeah At least I can appreciate that this avoids a huge pet peeve of mine in video games Which is when your character Lightly maybe gets within the vicinity of a tiny little flame on the ground your entire character bursts into flame You start taking damage Is that dude that's such a fucking movie trope with objects and buildings Like there's one flame on the floor the whole thing goes up Everybody is doused in Their character must be doused in castling. Yeah but Is it uh Is it super clear they're standing over? I'm watching it right now. I guess standing in the That feet are in in the pool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm pretty sure they're in it And someone said it's just show she's like I do follow that it would show she's focused But she stands in here long enough that I would do serious damage to her legs Um, yeah, that's fair. That's a good friend.  How do you know how it works? I've bought paper fire before Have you not heard the song purple flame? No Oh, it's got the rules in it. Um, the other girl breaks from the grip and as she tries to run away jinx shoots her in the back And she's dead Wow Yeah, and the leader is like no And it's kind of like oh man. I'm so I'm so conflicted. Who's the what's happening here? Who's the good guys? Who's the bad guys? Um a reaction immediately after this. Well, he solved that reflexively.  He's like, oh my god.  Yeah, he married. He's very mad. Um So he sprints at her with his uh his little stick I'm not entirely sure what it is looks very custom and uh in response.   This was definitely the first time I was like, I'm really sorry to notice that the uh When screaming characters they they don't resist showing that saliva getting around. Yeah They didn't before the animators have a spitting a spit fetish Um Yeah, she uh Tags a whole bunch of things a bit of the the shimmer and um one of the one of the henchmen Um And it looks as if she just shoots until the gatling gun like I don't exactly know how the gatling gun works I don't think it's the spoiler to consider everything we know about it throughout the show. It seems to Run on I don't know if there's an ammo feed is kind of where I'm going with this Yeah, I don't know where the app like It's I think we might have to chalk this one up to technological bullshit. I think yeah Because the ammo is stored in hammer space.  You're like, yeah, yeah, especially when she's a scaler's established She's a sharpshooter when a gatling gun is Not a different kind of Much more difficult to be Sorry I feel like this should have come later I don't disagree with that and I've seen a lot of people point out it's like man That is something that's pretty damn heavy for a girl who build and it's like, yeah, she's very tiny She probably weighs like 100 pounds or something Well, 80 something ridiculously small I'd imagine Right now she's still in like the early stages of unhinged so I don't know about you know the gatling gun Yeah The manic weapon I agree Um And the and the barrels are spinning and the last one ends on showing the girl who's dead Get a nice choice of doing a shot. I think we found this, um For you, are we talking about it where it's like Boba fat is like a show where you can tell and yeah, we're gonna be referencing it a whole bunch again guys We just saw the finale. Okay. It's a show where no shots are thought about You can tell that they're all just done for the sake of you know, like this is what happens So this is what we show. Yeah Luke's arm it's entire frame. It's just Luke's arm out of focus That was a funny moment. Yeah Meanwhile show like arcane. It seems like they grab opportunities to present things in particular ways A lot of the time and it makes for a lot of fun looking at them because you're like, oh It seems to me like that's a huge indicator of um Passion I think Because I don't know that it requires intense levels of talent and skill and experience to be able to just pull off some shots That make the audience go. Oh, it's a different way of showing that I'd agree. I think I feel like a lot of time as well um, so that um What I find to be underappreciated is cinematography that conveys the Atmosphere and the um and the tone of the scene without drawing focus from the events that are actually happening within it You don't have to be Consciously perceiving. Wow, that's such a great shot to be watching excellent amazing for cinematography And arcane has a lot of that Yeah Where it captures atmosphere without pulling focus I've seen people talk about it. I guess I'll bring it up because I don't know This is like a is there not boosted strength for everybody in arcane slash league legends. That's not something I'm aware of at all Not really You would have to just take that by the standards of looking at what the average human seems to be capable of doing They seem pretty normal. Um, they all seem pretty normal I mean, you remember when we were talking about vi using banders gauntlets and she was being weighed down by them and everything, right? So it's grounded that like There are things like some of the jumps of eye makes and whatnot and that sort of thing but I don't know how much that's worth talking about because There are a few bits of them doing some stuff. That's like, whoa, that's something you can do. I'm like, yep. All right But um Yeah, uh, I don't know about the idea that she's able to hold this because she's got boosted strength from something That that argument only comes in in episode eight. I would argue. Yes um Yeah, and just another the rest of the scene is just appreciating her facial expressions again, which um There's a lot of really good ones It's a really Cool thing they did because we talked about fans of us before and I feel like the start of the scene is Whoa, look, it's jinx. She's cool now. Look.  J that I ruined the airship.  They're not exactly friends Jinx and savika not a shock either because savika Her whole thing is trying to make things run smoother. So, um Uh Smirk from jinx is almost seemed to be like daring so we could take a swing.  Um, see if we can get a couple of things There are a few things. Hmm one moment. I'm pretty sure I have an image for this We've got through 10 minutes of the episode. It's very promising There's actually uh, two things to notice about his changes. Well to be fair, there's probably more than that But there's two things that I know is Yeah, here we go Okay, so Let's uh When we saw him in uh episode two This is how he looked And then the first time we see him in this episode He's looking like this, which I think is a really good comparison Yeah, I ain't doing well. Cheeks are all sunk in and he's got dark circles under the eyes The lighting as well. Yeah Victor ain't looking good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah and The other one nice What is the other one right for the other one or? Um, I might do what is the other one there? Uh, he has gone from cane to crutch True We don't see that just yet. Oh, well, that's fine. Uh, we'll we'll just show it anyway So that's what he used to have and now he has this uh And he's even got the um the brace on his leg, which he didn't used to have We see it when he turns to Which is great attention to detail dude, like um, yeah, uh This is the thing because we already knew at this point, uh, mean for me what his fate was thanks to the game So seeing this progression, which I think anybody who knows the games we should be like, oh man He's a he's a good little science boy Bad things are gonna happen to him Uh, but yeah, very very good work very noticeable straight away for those I would argue who are invested I wouldn't have any issue with someone not noticing this at all because you just don't even know what The plans are with these characters yet. So you can yeah, I had like, huh because I don't know anything about the game So I'm just like, oh things aren't looking good Hmm All right But yes, um, oh that was something I wanted to look at as well.  What do I do to you? I'm just being supportive of you I'm being supportive of you lacking support No, jeez jay you're gonna take that yeah, so I think this is a Detail that I'm not making up in my own head when um, savika like Sort of grunts and looks a bit angrier. You see just under a blanket where arm would be it lights up purple It's just like a noise Yeah, because that's I think that's the place where it injects the uh, or like it pumps in the shimmer, right? Yes, it's on the shoulder neat detail as well because Obviously, they're keeping that under wraps right now that she's got a robo arm Put something there Because you you know and the viewer might be wondering. Hey, didn't you lose an arm? Yeah What gives maybe she found it Yes, she could have found it Um Or it was like atomized That's never that is no no no no one's Yeah, come on. Yeah Let anything from stars Uh, so yeah, the progress that's been made is the those those little shitty hex rocks Nobody likes them. They've been refined or at least three of them have been into Hex crystals.  Maybe a half time actually. Oh, I wasn't really paying attention Yeah, most of this I'm just going from visuals. I'm like, oh, there's big. There's a ball. Uh, it's shiny Yeah, that's how good it is the visuals are so good.  You see it. That's not true You're just you're I'm just here. I'm hearing about it right now as you're talking about it.  He's like, no. Yeah, he's upset. He's like, oh my wait. Don't do it.  That's bad scared was one of those called poro Poro is that its name or the species that it is species name is a poro. Yeah Oh, that's what I just called the homeless people whenever I drive by That's that's rude. That's classist No, they like it.  Yeah, I have a Um, well, I don't really shower them with anything. I just make sure that if there's any puddles nearby I Drive my car on the puddles so that it sprays them just like god So water is your answer About way of saying water, which is the least imaginative thing to shower someone with No, it ain't just water. It's it's like water and all this stuff that just runs off from the streets And there's probably like syringes in there to them. That's water To them. That's water. That's how that's hobo water I wonder if you can order that at trungos Hobo water with your grumbos I'd like a mac and cheese and a wine glass and some hobo water Oh, look, we're a fifth of the way through our time nice So they're showing off the what the the the hex crystals can do which is power Audible devices including but not limited to the atlas gauntlets Which it's funny because like I think did anyone I was watching it with Rags what you like is that from the game? I can't remember if anybody was I think I I think I might have I think I might have been like, uh, I'm guessing that that was me on the game I felt I certainly said that about the hammer that he uses later But I think with the gauntlets. I also was like, is that from the game? Um, and now in the bad way I was just like legitimately sort of, you know fan service array It's kind of strange like it's their first starting out and it already looks like a very very finished product Well, they're trying to show it off to heimerdinger, right? Uh These are like prototypes for demonstration, right? Yeah, but they already look super finished like ready to go They're pretty much only a functional prototype, right? Like before you can build more of these things you need to build sure you but I mean the first working one is the prototype that Works as intended, right, but you would think that it would look just a little less refined Yeah, generally prototypes are not built to look good unless they were just that confident in how good it was These are also, um, they're hoping to demonstrate these in front of like hundreds thousands of people today Yeah, they are built for more than just utility. Yeah. So yeah, I guess they are built for show too You may know is however Distinction in visual appearance between the one that jace shows off and the one that victor shows off What do you mean? Look at them in terms of visual styling the gauntlet is all like gilded almost. It's very Uh flashy in design Looks very intricate and you know ornate almost and then you compare across to victor's hexclaw thing and it's very Utilitarian in design. It's Function over form you might say. Oh my god. I wonder if there's anything informing his desire to for functional form It's a pretty cool, uh check-offs gauntlet because they're like, hey, we can use these And it'll be great for like mining and stuff and of course if you know if you know anything about Like We were watching it the second they showed it we were like vias getting those gauntlets But I get but it's but it's more than just the cool factor because it's kind of like You see that and you know, they're like, oh, yeah We can use this for like work and stuff and your mind immediately goes to man. That'd be like a really good weapon It's like, I wonder if we're gonna do anything with that Well, yeah, that's like the level of almost naivety for these Characters like his goal is to help them move things and victors is uh for creating engravings or even like Sculpting and stuff and it's like a laser mate No thing they chop off the horn One oh that may be so upset Yeah, I just I sympathize for the creature I think it was an important thing to happen in the scene actually. Oh, definitely A hundred percent just good and ready. Yeah All right in terms of like how many is just that like you could have just killed my cat Yeah Yeah, plot hole. He's not upset enough about that I actually was kind of annoyed by that that it wasn't a bigger deal Um, yeah, you could have had him panic further over it But I mean his ultimate conclusion is a decade and you can use these things So I guess I guess it just probably would have been just a little better to see him Like shoot at the dog and then it'll be all like did you not just see what happened?  All right. You need to slow down This stuff is clearly not ready Um And yeah, it's just uh It's a good scene because we're gonna get a couple of these kinds of scenes, but um It's not just about using magic Which I I've seen a lot of people say that Heimerdinger's character is just he doesn't like magic He likes science like not really at all Even if that even if those were his like even if those were like his very clear values There's so much more to him that isn't just his values, right? if that's just Seems disingenuous If we're to use an example from the scene the malfunction with the uh the hex claw thing I don't know if I would even call that a magical malfunction in nature like magic had nothing to do with it It started tracking the gemstone that jace was holding and shot because jace was fucking around with it Which is actually a good detail Yeah, but how that could happen Um Yeah, I'm a dinger is just we need to have safeguards against this shit. It's clearly not ready. Um, and this is the thing Heimerdinger is correct. It's not ready.  That's just gonna keep coming up and i'm not even annoyed at that Uh, we're we're gonna we're gonna cry in that line into the town Uh, I grew up surrounded by overused jokes. I think it originated in the death He's saying Theo it's such great writing. I was born in the dirt Cometo's really wet. That was his point And he's not wrong Uh, but yeah, Heimerdinger basically shuts them down and they're both very very sad about that Uh back to the They said it's not a blimp, right? What are these ships even called just ships? I think they're just cool. No very much ship Um, I think they're called airships. I think the guy who was paid off is just like saying, yeah I don't know. There was like there was a couple of them He's just like looking really shifty.  I don't even know how you I deal with that poor guy I'm sure his story is very interesting. But katelyn walks in there that little inquisitive douche being like, hmm What's what's all this what's happening here? funnily enough, I think the You know, like, well, I guess Theo's gonna put something really really full on responses. Oh, maybe fringy. I don't know But um, the what do you think of her? The choice to give her this hat, which is probably the closest they're gonna allow us to get to a top hat Um, I think it makes a lot more sense I would be wearing like a normal hat rather than a crazy top hat. Do you think she'll ever get her top hat? um maybe Maybe such a style cringe She would have to be a bit colder Doesn't quite feel like it would be in line with her. Does it like I don't think I'll be in line with her and i'm not sure how much it would fit in with the aesthetic that they well Maybe I I don't need it though. I don't need the top hat It's just it's interesting choice because the hat is a bit big and that's probably why is that they were like Look, we can't give you the top hat. We can give you this All right studio mandate Well, I think it's woke that they didn't give her her top hat. That's what I think That's a top hat agenda Big small hats. I try to take over all the top hat representation big small hats You know aesthetically, I think her hat looks really good I like it. I like the holding of the uniform for sure better than a top hat I really enjoy this discussion is not like as being someone who's not at all familiar with the games Because sometimes you just get like it's like oh, I guess we're having a conversation that to me is entirely random Like hey, do you think they're really gonna get Caitlyn next top hat?  But you think you think chase is having a pet frog. Do you think that's ever gonna happen? I hope so. I hope they give him his video game.  You cannot die before he gets that big coat, right?  She's spotting some things. She's looking at marking She's looking at evidence. She's even trying to recreate what she would think would be What like where the guns were aiming and where they were shooting to picture how things went down Looking at blood splatters and stuff it's um It's pretty neat We were we thought for a moment that she might like her like plot line might be detective. Caitlyn, you know Like throughout the whole thing But it's mainly just this scene and then the rest of it's more so A combination with another character um But yeah, uh, she spots the um one of the the soldier the big thugs after being shot by jinx He seems to have decided that he doesn't want anything to do with silco anymore. He's given up He hasn't had enough probably of jinx's antics And so he just hid in the uh in the lower parts of the ship and i'm assuming he was just waiting to be found Because I don't know why else we would do that really Uh, well, he also got shot waiting me. He was wounded. Well, it seems to me that Like he must be what would his goals be other than just they're gonna find me eventually and that's fine. Whatever Mm-hmm, but he wasn't sitting there like the entirely my choice.   Um, yeah It doesn't take her that seriously and I think that the idea is supposed to be that She's poking her nose and stuff and she's like annoying and and she's a curemen. She's not really like an enforcer She's more so just like this person who's playing it being an enforcer.  Here we go again. He's kind of right.  I think um First time through because I I hadn't even picked up that it was the same place Straightaway, you know what I mean? Like the the last drop is the light. There's there's plenty of things I just don't necessarily pick up but Yeah, I think the point of this scene is to just be like look what it's become Look what a zone has become basically like it when silco is under management or is managing it Um, things seem a lot more chaotic, uh, especially the last drop We're basically everybody's just doing drugs and everyone everyone seems a lot less It used to be a bar now. It's a club But like the worst seems a lot less lame Yeah, it's really cool. It does look cool. I want to live at the last drop Kind of a cool mirroring they do because the lyrics of the two songs deal with like playground and this one deal with kind of similar subject Matters, but of course the the actual songs themselves are completely different like this one is Fucking rave music. It's like crazy and Playground was a lot more subdued and then the camera work and stuff as we cut around The under city is so much more chaotic and Riled up, I guess. Yeah This yeah, this place is um in a frenzy now Things have changed. So we could just take someone's drink from them. Vanda wouldn't have let that happen in his day So cruel Wow, it's how you get the corona. Yeah You steal someone else's corona steal someone's corona Like hey, it's my corona We enter silco's office where she's complaining savika now about the job and how It was mostly fucked up by uh jinx And she says she's a problem and we all know it and he just goes who's we And there's just this silence of just like uh, because if you admit Your entire team has a problem with her.  Yeah After that gap of who's we or that she doesn't answer He just says don't disappoint me again. This is like Because it was her job Oh, he's great. Um, yeah, and so obviously she's just like way and leaves and um That's a great thing about silco. He doesn't have to say much to say a lot Yeah And he starts like talking about the state of zorn and how Uh, there's just lots of different things. I remember thinking to myself when first watching this I was just like is he just just openly stating the state of the world. It's a little bit lame But then And it's uh, and it works for a lot of different meaning too. Uh, he's talking to jinx She's right above just sitting in a A little I don't know hidey hole And if you remember the conversation he just had with savika, I don't think savika knew jinx was there Because uh, it's a bit awkward to say in front of jinx like we all have an issue with her. She's uh She's ruining like different jobs that we're doing. It's just like that feels like a conversation that Um, savika didn't even know she was there, but that it just tells you without saying anything Silco probably values jinx right now above even his right-hand man Um to the point where he doesn't care if she hears all of that because I think he thinks of her as like a teammate like directly Um Which is a pretty interesting thing to have happen.  He's kept them um These are little touches That I would argue are pretty important But just describing how things have changed without looking into the dialogue necessarily just yet Let's who would throw away that monkey mug, huh? I would monkey mug.  Wow All right, do you ever think you're just too cruel sometimes to monkeys? Nope Well, I I did once and I only you'd only confirmed that I was correct Very well Get that monkey mug away from me And the ashtray you shouldn't smoke Bad for you. That's true. That must be a lot of kickstall oats Uh, and yeah, um, I supposed to just get this out of the way There are some people I was asked this while I was streaming last night It's like there are some people who interpret their relationship as romantic. Um, please go away It's not clear to me Whether it is or it isn't I would say that it is clearly not. I don't know why you think it's not clear Uh, I mean they touch each other like Physically but not in that any kind of like I would say not in no kind of overtly sexual or romantic way just in a like a Not in a gay way just in a like they're both very close kind of a way Okay, I I could make I think a pretty compelling argument But I can't do it without mentioning a lot of stuff. We can't mention right now, but Like I I think that there is an interpretation where you could say that it's possible given how they portray other things in the show was like I think the people interpreted as romantic, right because it's like two, um Adults like hugging and touching very closely But you know what kind you know what what kind of like adults do that very often without Being romantically involved in each other is adults where one of them raised the other from childhood Like those those kinds of people they tend to like hug and cuddle a lot at least a lot of them do So, you know feels like that's the kind of thing we're going for here Not these guys are fucking Absolutely, I mean well it it could be but the show takes a sort of hands-off approach with Being explicit about people being romantic, right? Like without spoiling things and there's a very clear example of relationship I think it's supposed to be romantic. It is not at all clear I think that's supposed to I think there are other relationships in this that are supposed to be romantic But I think that the signs that we're given about these two Don't point me in a direction of interpreting their dynamic as a romantic one I I would lean non-romantic, but like there's one thing in particular that Happens I think in episode seven Uh Yeah, so we can't really bring it up. Okay I would lean in the direction of you guys, but I don't think it's as clear as you guys think it is I guess I'm I'm now I mean it's probably spoiler free enough, right? What moment are you referring to? With this little In the beginning of an episode Jinx goes into some water and something happens before that I well I never got the impression, but maybe uh, maybe I need to see that scene again. I don't know Wait, you mean when he rails a roll? That was pretty good you can't do that water. It's just not slick and ice Can I just say can could we just like because the conversation is going to be awkward if we don't say what happens? What he kisses her on the lips No, he doesn't I don't think so he does I am almost sure he doesn't All right, I'll go find it. I'll go get a timestamp Leans in I was gonna say I have no memory of that Yeah, I have no memory. I think I would have remembered that I feel like that's something that I would have clocked and been like, oh Yeah, that would have like put the debate like Right, what is that? The joke from smiling press Right, which joke All right chat we need to detour because we got to find the answer to this question We can go on I'm looking right now and I'll let you know Notice you put it in my head. It's too late I don't even know what episode it is It's an episode You're talking about the river scenery lowers her into the river Yeah, that's an episode five. They do not kiss.  I imagine that you happen I'm now looking at it. That's why it's quiet because I'm like you gotta gotta make sure because it's creepy if It weren't true if it was What you said happened No, if you're referring to episode five, they don't kiss Yeah, where'd you get that they kiss from I just watched it I okay, then it's then it's probably not this scene. Look, I I'll okay. I will find a time scene I have 85 85 90 confidence. This happens. Do you are shipping them? I am 100 Have you watched like a fan? Yeah, you've been watching fan things browsing rule 34 too much because like I guess I could see a universe where you thought forever would they kiss they come about two inches Three may be away, but that's just not a kiss That's a lean in. All right, so you're now you're the kiss police.   I mean, this is practically what this is, right? Okay. So here's here's a question Well, let's let's say that let's say that he did kiss her there. Would that change your opinion? Yes Yeah Yeah, dramatically. All right, because that's that's why I was saying I was in question If that didn't happen, then I then I'll just take your position. I would do um I would do this face if he did that there you go people weird It would dramatically it would dramatically impact my my perception of his character, right? Yeah It would be it would be very hard to read him as anything other than an abuser I think at that point considering he has raised her and she's what like 18 She's 16. I think she's less than that. She's like what age what she was a little girl I think she was nine. So it's nine plus seven Yeah, so she's like almost like 15 or something.   I just flipped through it. It didn't happen. I flipped through the whole show All right. Well 90 percent. Uh, sure. That's what 90 percent sure is. Let's just let's just run a poll should Duma be banned from e-fab Look if you if you played poker, you know about that 10 to 15 percent, okay Look, I it looks it looks it looks weird to me. Okay. Dude. Look at this. All right All right now like that Holy monoleum Oh great. Okay chat What screenshot Oh X come 95 percent to it Oh god, it's an X come one. Yeah X come confidence 90 percent not romantic. Oh no Oh no All right. Well, it's been fun guys. I'll uh It looks like I'm uh heading out It's okay. You've got plenty of opportunities to be wrong in future too Yeah, don't deny yourself those opportunities uh Yeah, the uh That silco says take a break and then she's like I don't need a break and he's like take one anyway because obviously she's uh A little bit unstable She's pretty shaken. In fact somebody was just wearing purple hair Everything he says makes him more powerful in the scene.  That's what I think uh of these high-class yobbos um Doing their high-class things But uh high-class trungos yes Mel is uh is chatting with this lady Uh, it's the lady we saw when she was first introduced and she's like your mother would be proud And her male's response is would she it's such a like oh man Aren't you like literally the the richest person in pilt over who's currently managed to like Push it further than ever by almost like supporting this one guy who you found The right time in the right place sort of thing to blow it. She's like, yeah, but still I was like, oh it It feels like an innocuous line almost It's something that could be missed without the further context of uh Who mel's mum is and exactly why she wouldn't be proud And an innocuous Very important. That's the thing. You don't waste time all this dialogue has a point Um, yeah and mel says there's only one person with worth my time And there's like a there's a leadership going past with man of progress on it It's like that is I think as uh over as they needed to be to basically argue Mel is treating jace as a bit of a project a source of things And she says hextech has the potential to change everything. I've already spoken to investors It's like there you go, which I think is a better acknowledgement than yes I've spoken to noxus. They're planning on going to war with us over there. It's like, no Okay, can I clarify something really quick chat? I didn't want them to be in a sexual relationship I just thought that's what happened. This isn't a fan fiction chat He didn't want it. Okay. Why did someone in chat just type woman moment? Yet another woman moment classic the Is All right. Hey, we're halfway through this episode doing great. Hey So Now we need to stop and we'll continue part two next week Hey, there's a meaningful moment where mel is looking at like a little Little smaller version of the city and it's like it's like representative of her position over it as like she's kind of like the most influential person in piltover In reality because she kind of has influence over jace who is currently probably the most influential in terms of changing things Is is it's meaningful? Okay Um But yeah, uh, she encourages jace to absolutely go ahead first with Making new things and revealing them to the city and stuff because She seems to have pressures that relate to that Who knows but now that means we've got heimerdinger and mel are a representative of two different sort of teams here And influences um So we then have a pretty important jinx scene And we see her lair which is uh Pretty chaotic Very leery you can spot the um, there's some monkey drawings And as they scan around We see this shot, which holy shit.  We're doing this.  This is weighing on a huge.  They didn't make him say anything. Oh, yeah.  Yes I think this I don't know how much it's worth going into this But I think the presence of this lair being how it is can tell you a bit of something about how silco is as a parent as well Yeah, she's absolutely her brain is just chaotic. It's uh And he seems to have almost encouraged it Like either encouraged it or just enabled it one of the two Just let her have a space where she can just stew like this Yeah And so Go ahead I was gonna say is it worth talking about her like mental health issues a little bit because now we're starting to Really get into it where we're seeing like the Manifestations of it. Um, I don't know Since we're gonna be getting a lot of scenes of this. I don't know if you want to Save it until you have more things to be able to reference. We we're only just starting obviously with with Yeah, I feel like it's too early to be doing that right now. Yeah Once we have a few more things with milo, we can see what milo represents like a little Dude the individual frames are fantastic for just yeah, what do you think she's thinking about some of these?  Um, in fact, that's literally today, right? That's a pretty big opportunity to be able to do something Um, especially with So I it's another criticism. I spotted in the disco and like said, I just try to shut up Like, you know, it's fine. I think whatever you want.  There was something for her to steal What? There's always something for you to steal So first of all, yeah, that's correct.  Oh, he just so happens to cough on yeah progress His ailment is progressing to So he's got some weird magic disease that makes his leg stop working and gives him a cough. Okay, I buy it I buy it Kind of Oh, it's a great shot and I'm definitely gonna highlight it But yeah, jace even offers for him to go up with him, but victor makes it clear like this Just not his element. This is not something he wants to do He doesn't this is not the part of the science. He enjoys at all while jace is downright excellent at it A great little comparison And some girl walks past and gives jace a victor a smile. Who the fuck's this lady? I don't know Maybe we'll see more of it. I don't convenient that she exists Yeah Wow, is she is she like a major character in the lore? Oh, she just happens to be cute looking And her her parents just happened to have met and they happened to have had a A girl child and she happened to have been there. Oh child. Yeah.    Oh, I'd say it's just several elements like lining up It is that victor doesn't really want to do it and jace is more equipped to do it But also it's just that generally like getting a face to attach to all of this This just happens like not to mention Kind of looks like shit and he kind of realizes it and I think he just wants to be seen that way jace is like a very good poster boy for uh, For like the progress much more so than victor even though both of them are like equally responsible for the creation of the technology It's all like it's rise. Right.  Yeah, well, that's what i'm saying Like I think as with a lot of really awesome conflict it can come from a very Normal neutral and downright like totally chill place But as events go forward it can influence other things happening that have much more dire consequences Uh And I just I just want to apply flag planted because what? Yes. Oh, sorry. I was I was just gonna say the interesting You know conflict in this scene is hmm is jace gonna What's he gonna say in this speech? What is is he gonna reveal the stuff he's been working on? That's he's going to hide working his warnings to not reveal anything And the decision that he makes is to heed hybrid dingers Were uh warning you even have a victor is like very excited to reveal it as well He makes that decision against the wishes of jace Not jace and mel because mel also wants him to reveal your technologies too, but he listens to heimerdinger I wonder if we'll keep listening to heimerdinger. How conflicted he is over it is something Yeah, he really does go back and forth a good deal He's not entirely sure how to approach all this crazy progress And he's looking at He's just I was just quick today. He's got his set notes and then he's got notes. He's recently written I'm not sure if we find out which was which but the idea being of course that the two powers he can take So if you take jace and victor right victor is the one who doesn't want the spotlight and he doesn't want the attention But he wants to go ahead with the projects that the crowd would like In jace is the person who's getting the spotlight and all the attention and ultimately He's the person who decides Against giving the crowd that he's talking to what it is that they would want most That's a lot of pressure for one young guy who's just figured everything out That that is an important thing to highlight though It's what the crowd wants and he doesn't give it to them because he heeds the words of the scientist Yeah That we're at a point as well We've got so heimerdinger is desperately trying to prevent the unfat and unrestricted Progress that can lead to the the worries he has about like all out war or destruction Mal is all about putting pilt over on the map. She wants it to progress faster so that it can be seen as a greater power and influence Uh, jace well victor is whole goal has been about helping people and he thinks that this will not only inspire But it'll be a great thing to announce because it's on its way to Helping people's lives out and stuff and then jace is basically sharing that alongside I think he definitely enjoys being a showman to some extent Um, yeah, so it's his big life's work.  Of course. He's excited And then you've got like the audience as a character as well just like influencing all this just like man We've got so many dynamics set up nice good stuff. Yeah, and it's also worth noting too. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt It was also worth noting too. He did Victor um, he doesn't he he didn't look good from the beginning So when primer dingers like yeah, you've got about 10 years to safety check this stuff And it'll be all good and i'm just looking right at victor and i'm like He doesn't have 10 years does he not one bit like he has progressed very poorly in this case So now victor has got to have like he's gonna want to see the progress before he goes Yeah, and his specific motivation is to save lives and make lives better And he wants to be there to witness it. Absolutely. Yeah But hymending is thinking in terms of like centuries not years like just a couple years Is that a very important line of victors? Do you think that do you think my life's ambition was to be an assistant? which i That's not necessarily Glory handling but he does like he really wants to accomplish something with his time even if it's limited So yeah, like there's a really good scene regarding that that we'll get a little bit He doesn't want to be in hymer dingers adorable little shadow Well, it's I think it's I think uh at the core of it. It's the idea of I want to be the person I don't want to just push So that someone else create like makes the big leap, right?  Yeah I find that kind of interesting though because it's a sort of subconscious ego thing there because you know The dynamic we have here is jace is the one who has a bit more of an ego about him and victor Doesn't really give a shit about that sort of thing But like it's made clear through that line and through some subsequent scenes and the fact that yeah He does want to be a part of it and he wants to make things happen. There is something of an ego about this He does want to be involved in the process of making like of making things happen Even if he doesn't particularly care for the crowd policing that comes with it That's just uh, that's just good writing when you've got like the more overt uh Goal in mind that's more altruistic But then there's like the thing that's belying it which is a little more Oriented around you and I guess self-fulfillment Okay, um I'll be quick.  So pretty much think everything's deliberate in this show um Victor reacts with shock Mel is like almost confused What I really like is that you don't jace doesn't get to have heimerdinger Be like yay Heimerdinger is like goes from angry to sort of settled Because I think that he is a character is like he almost thinks it's unfathomable to make the wrong decision You making the right decision from his pov doesn't it's not like a reward for you. It's more. So just good That's the thing you should have done You know like it's it's very strict and I just I just enjoy that. That's how they portray Um him understanding that choice from jace Yeah, I was just going to say that uh the first time I watched this episode I was massively confused about why he didn't reveal the hextech gemstones I just went back to check to make sure Uh, this is right, but heimerdinger kind of contradicts himself in a way or at the very least it's easy to misunderstand So in the first scene with heimerdinger, he's like basically tells she has to reveal something and then in the next scene tells him not to Um, I do think Uh So hymen do you think that if jace was going to reveal a button that if you press it? Everyone on the world dies that heimerdinger would be like that's a great thing to reveal I mean So let's just end the charade and get it over with Okay, is there is there anything else like to reveal? I don't know it just so the whole the whole point is If if it is the if it is the case that heimerdinger said don't do this right and there's an unambiguous message Then why would it still be there on the forge? Why would he still be contemplating revealing it? Because when he's up on stage It's jace's choice. Yeah Yeah Heimerdinger is telling him not to though, but like whether or not jace does is up to him.  Yeah But I still a good showman. I want I guess i'm confused like what is inconsistent there about heimerdinger Well, I mean the inconsistency is the information that's delivered to the audience Like heimerdinger says to reveal something and the only thing that we are told about That even exists is the hextech gemstones and heimerdinger says not to reveal it, right? Okay, hold on Okay I was just gonna like sort of go through the chain of logic So like if heimerdinger says not to Then the reasonable thing would be like, okay, well then reveal something else And if we're taking heimerdinger's word as gospel like, okay We're gonna let heimerdinger do the thing that he he wouldn't prep the entire display, right? And if he values if again The only thing jace values in the show is not just heimerdinger. There's lots of other people as well and this From what I can tell this lets down every single person except for heimerdinger Every single other person in the show seems to want this to be revealed It's clearly beyond that, right? Like it's not about heimerdinger. It's that jace believes he's right in this moment Sure, but then I mean it you would think something else might get revealed. I don't know. It seems a bit odd That was gonna be their review was that The new like technology equipment that they had developed and heimerdinger said like, well, no not that or like the gemstone It's like, well, not yet. It's not that already. Yeah, you got to The gemstones applications are all unrefined So wait until they are to announce them as heimerdinger's point as far as I can tell Well, and it's it's I mean, I guess we might be jumping a little bit ahead But like an important thing for heimerdinger in general is that he's a lot more Restrained because he's thinking long term and he has experience But if that's the case then why would he say people love a grand reveal go get something to hype everybody up I mean, that's because that's just true. Why why? I don't understand. It's like he's saying they have something to reveal to reveal it It's like, yeah, but that doesn't qualify with heimerdinger This isn't ready to be revealed Yeah, like heimerdinger wants them to reveal something sure But if it means revealing something that could be damaging or misleading then no don't reveal something Isn't there a way to reveal this technology that isn't like we're going to deploy this tomorrow? Well, so All that he needed to do it Like if he could have been like look the gemstone And then the crowd like would be way like what does it do? and it's like well You we we will see instead. He just does a speech about the progress that's to come the innovations are on the way Could have been a way for jace to I mean maybe I think there could have been a way for jace to say we have essentially discovered a brand new our source of a kind that is going to What he he said a version of what he said But was more specific because he doesn't mention specifically the the stones He just talks about working on these great things.  It's going to be amazing It's not ready yet, but it doesn't actually deliver any He doesn't deliver any functional information. That's why people are so let down It's like, yeah, we're working and stuff happening. Watch the scene. They're not let down They're very happy and I think it represents the almost like that's how showmanship works They're all clapping. They're all really happy and all these told them his stuff is on the way It's like uh, it's like having watched book of boba fat I think it's important to remember this isn't a science conference Yeah, this is like showing off the new cool ship. This is not scientists presenting things to help the scientists Yeah I mean you'll go to a game conference and like they'll be like, oh elder scroll six coming 20 27 or whatever like It doesn't have to be tomorrow Well, so I think it's worth if you if you come out like we are working on this specific thing and it does these things But we're not going to show it to you yet The seed has been planted like a very specific seed has been planted and you might not be ready to do that yet Like if you if you create a lot of trust and jace Like they do have a lot on his desert. Yeah, and him telling those stuff is on the way. I'm sure that's good enough Well, I think it's it's much safer from jace's perspective to say stuff is on the way rather than this is specifically what we're making But i'm not showing you yet. I feel like let's do that I feel like we all have personal experience with that, right? Well, yeah, if you say it's coming, but i'm not going to show you yet like That's the kind of thing that gets people like we're now really want to see it This is what I mean I really feel like it makes a lot of sense Especially considering he was almost going to show and explain all of it that he decided as a snap decision I'm not going to mention even the gemstone because it just leads down to explaining more and more and it's just not we're not ready Um, but obviously he acknowledges the fact that this costs him as well. He sees mel and her assistant leave But not to mention I don't think um, I don't think heimerdinger said that he had to reveal something He just thought it would be interesting if he had something well like in works Fun enough, I'm pretty sure it was a writing tool We need to get heimerdinger to be introduced to the the technology and so he was like it's good to reveal stuff It's like actually we have stuff to reveal. Let me show you today and we get that It's good. Yeah, it's good to reveal, but you don't have to reveal is and I think what you're talking about I think heimerdinger's willingness to let jace do the speech instead of himself Is his willingness to part with tradition here and there so it's Uh, it seems to land on the level of trust in jace Okay, so what what is what is the cost of revealing it? Let's say that he went through with it. He opens the curtains. He says the gemstone What is the cost the gemstone the gemstone? So just revealing the gemstone Uh depends on how you reveal it and what you say which may be On the moment It's totally invites invites inspection. It's just like so. What does it do? What does it power something that what have you worked on anything? It's just like, uh Instead you can just talk about innovations are on the way Who can question that? I mean, it's doesn't the same doesn't the same criticism apply there I mean like it invites questions. Oh, we're working on stuff. What are you working on? It's literally there. It's a piece of technology and the fact that you're promoting it. It's like, so what does it do then? Yeah, it's like an actual thing. It's an invention. It's not just a vague appeal to progress Which is what this day Yeah Maybe if he had like a week's worth of time to prepare a speech on We want to tease or reveal this new power source But we don't have any working applications. He probably could have Done that but I think because it was so quick Okay, what it feels like to me is here's like basically the choice, right? So heimerdinger is basically saying we can't deploy this technology in the field right now because it's not ready We need more time to develop it that doesn't even imply that it shouldn't be revealed It just means that it shouldn't be deployed necessarily and then it's like well What rocker space you have is like the best launch day for something like this I would also argue.  Yeah, and what is the rest of the world? Once they reveal it as a possibility Like we can do this like oh, shit I've always thought about how you know like no man's sky is apparently like really good now It just makes me wonder like if if if we lived in a world where That the vision of the game that exists right now if it released on that day I wonder what the legacy of no man's sky would be um That's an interesting point But because it was announced because it was promoted the public push hardcore as I believe is perfectly reasonable to do And uh, it was forced out and it's it's one of the biggest disasters in the game.  It's happening with a low night silk song. It's happening with bayonetta 3 Like people just I mean I feel like the best example of this is if they had announced cyberpunk 2077 in 2020 instead of 2013 people would have reacted differently to that game when it came out Yeah, like when you when you announce something definitely informs people's perceptions of it because if it takes too long to come out People are gonna have lots of questions and if you're not ready to control the narrative Then it's better to not say anything at all someone just said lull walk the public forced it out no man's sky had a release date Okay, so it was the public the publisher forced it out think more creatively when you have Deadlines it's because there's expectations everywhere not just with the publisher or stockholders, but also the public Well, again cyberpunk 2077 that shit wasn't done But part of the reason why they released it was well, we've delayed it four times We announced this game like eight years ago. It needs to come out and it's like well, you don't have those problems Yeah, exactly and and then there were pressures because City project renders a publicly traded company and their stock went down after the game came out and it was a disaster Like their stock had gone really high because of rampant speculation Speculation just leads to turbulence Like you don't you want to control the narrative and like if you just announce immediately We're working on this gemstone I'm not going to tell you what it does that feels like the worst decision you could have made You'd better off to tell people what it does like at that point You might as well commit fully and and then if you do that there's going to be tons of problems with People wanting that tech to come out very soon and wanting to potentially weaponize it Yeah, and potentially it was right work. Yeah, it might even influence its development and shit It's weird And yeah, this is it's a timeline of a decade like Yeah, um, there's this crazy Tug of war as well because it's like The game's not finished. It needs more time.  That's actually when nintendo and but that's that's that feels like uh You know you look at something like nintendo often announces games like within a year that they come out They have exceptions though The look at people people are getting antsy about breath of the wild too now I know got announced three years ago. I would also argue I'm bad at a three years Meaning one to four. Let's say very different from ten Prime four It's like, okay. I'm going to show you this gemstone. You're not going to see anything as a result of it for 10 years I mean, okay, we're we're we're focusing on one side of the equation Which is like, okay, if you announce a game and then it gets delays. It's a problem It's also a problem if you don't announce games Like um, then you then you then people don't have something to look forward to they feel plenty to be Marvelling over and built over that's kind of the point. He's one of the most popular people right now Yeah It's kind of hard to equivocate life changing technology with a video game Dark souls changed lives Well, but I I guess the thing is You think about like, um, like grant theft under six rock star recently announced that it's happening And we all kind of knew it was gonna happen But if they had said that we were working on it in 2015 I think that there would be a much different perception of that game than Officially saying now. Yeah, we're working on it. Like there's enough wiggle room in terms of people's speculation there As opposed to we're working on it right now. And this is what we're doing But I'm not going to tell you anything about it It's funny to think about too because once upon a time I would announce The project had released a expectation that I dropped say the release day expectation That I've dropped the name of the project to until it comes out It's just like the expectations that get set are so frustrated to deal with so it's Better to surprise people I guess I just don't understand the criticism here. Like I feel like an old function's fine Well, I would even go as far as saying we don't even need as long as we can understand why jace would have made the choice Especially when he's under pressure He's literally staring at all the people who want him to do one or the other and then he almost brashly decides I'm just gonna not talk about any of it and appeal to vagaries. It's just like, yeah That's totally in line. I think with the choice he can make here Yeah, and how can you calculate a particularly strong, you know middle ground while you're sitting right there at the podium in seconds matter Yeah, you don't that this didn't have to happen. Like he already had That's how it went. Look this Okay That's not arbitrary. I'm saying that up to this scene. He's literally thinking he's he's juggling everyone's perspectives in his head Like there's a reason for that It's that he's asked them all what they think and they've all told him and he's got literally hymerdinger glaring at him from the front row Well, he's got all of the because it's it's hymerdinger and it's mel and it's also victor as well because victor wants like It's it's tough because it's like you're balancing basically a more principled approach versus Just the pragmatic people are gonna like you a lot more if you reveal something cool and awesome And it's down to the wire as well It's like it was this is the day that he has to make the decision and even if you have time Like you still got to make the decision here and he was clearly torn on it because he had the two speeches A lot of subtle stuff to indicate that but then also like the overt stuff to indicate that he's conflicted Jase is an incredibly important character and a lot of his decisions are based on what everyone's influencing him to do I feel like that's almost at the core of his story is juggling all of the Interest that people have in him and what he's doing With uh his fundamental principles like why he's doing the science God are they still talking about this? I love how chat was like you guys aren't disagreeing at all. You're just eating praise on the show And as soon as I say something negative You just don't like your conversation like Color sells e-sad every second of discussion So, um, we got to Caitlyn hanging out outside Some of the main people to over buildings and she's getting a little bit of ridicule I think she corrects one of them on something they're talking about and then they're like You're you're high class.  I think it's it's like almost bizarre what the the voice says It's like I started a fire and I'm stuck in here help Yeah, it works its way toward it. It starts with like, oh, it's so hot I can't see and then like as they as it keeps going eventually it just gets weirder and weirder Oh, I started a fire all by myself on purpose. Yeah And then detonates blows them all up Um, I know that this is definitely one where people point out does Caitlyn have some severe plot armor here It's hard to tell so the explosions go off Right next to the guys who are all in the building. She is um at a different point, right? Or she's not in the building She's like outside outside. I feel like she's further back. Um, I can't I'm obviously playing the scene now So I will note it, but uh, were there any bombs right next to here. I can't remember. Um Because she's with two other people Um, but yes, uh, just for anybody who's like wait, what's happening though it's like so jinx has set a big trap for enforcers and She'd be exploding them because they're getting them out of the way to then get into the building and Take whatever the science people. Oh, okay. That's that's yeah, that's a pretty big explosion Not to mention. I think she was kind of in the middle of everyone These are choices I never quite understand right She got knocked out but everyone else with her was killed and there were people further back from her than she was Well, just specifically i'm not even appealing to like all those logistics just this shot that they do So I think she's outside the building but the building blows up and so it comes through the wall um unlike this is Look at that. It's just like oh Yeah, sometimes like it looks Great as an action scene. I guess but like it's just I wonder about stuff like this like man. This is looks this looks like she's dead Yeah, this is bad. Yeah, I think plot armor saved her in this case. It looks like the other two were vaporized vaporized Oh The other two enforcers will return in arcane episode oh people are saying that's not her. Yeah, that's not kato That's uh Something that I think isn't visually communicated to well. She doesn't go in Well, because I thought this was outside anyway Because yeah, like we get that is really not great for Visual language.  Well, that's still bad Look at that shot Wait, no, if it's not her then this is just really weird editing Yeah, because like I think I think it really follows for you as a viewer to assume Do you see her like this right and look at this shot by the way? Yeah, like that's pretty bad But then to cut from that to this I really feel like you're supposed to assume that's her but uh, right I think yeah Yeah, you really are That looks like her. I I don't know about this. Well out of curiosity. How do we know it's not her? What was the A hair looks shorter the hair in the person there looks shorter. Okay long hair She actually like Caitlyn has the kind of hair that you shouldn't confuse it with other people's hair often No Um, yeah, and she rolls out. Um, I'm more than willing to concede this plot armor here I like it's unclear exactly how much it's just that it does seem like She's the main character out of all the enforcers and she's the one that doesn't die because it's like Yeah, of course not. Okay. Uh, I can I can I can confirm it is not her but the that means the editing is like real scuffed Yeah, it's just hard to tell what the fuck's happening I suppose if you go best faith then we're supposed to assume that she really just was in a in the vicinity enough to Cause what we saw happened to her um So, you know, it's not I guess it's not as bad as it could be. Um, if that's definitely not here Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to be plot armor, but I think that's really That that's I think it's poorly communicated so far. Yeah, I would agree But just rat Yeah, because they they're really good with that in the show for the most part, but um, all right, so if you Yeah, if you go back, just responding to chat if you go back There's another shot with like the same three people inside and it's clearly not Caitlyn And then like the other shot with the explosion is the same three people in the same like spot So it's pretty clear that it's not her. Okay. So this is another reason why it's confusing She's standing in front of the the image that jinx has made And there's clearly someone Oh, yeah, and then and then you come back to these three more people behind her when the explosion goes off Well, so this is why it's confusing the explosion happens And then we show that image that Caitlyn was right next to Is like Exploding and then the next thing we see is this Which makes me think that that's what's happening there, but it's like it's not question mark. Okay It's very weird position is very consistent with this shot. So it has to be her Wait judging from the hair it isn't wait. Oh my god. What is this editing? What is going on here?  No, this is this is real scuffed So it's not her but the editing is very bad No, I think it's no, no, no, no, I think it's her and she plot armor just say but look at that hair I'm very I'm very moved by the hair argument Yeah, it Yeah, but her hair could no no her hair could be forward in her face right now because she's got launched back I don't think it would look that way And I doubt that all of it has moved from what would be at the back to the two sides And then look that short. I genuinely think this is not her. Um, it's just really weird editing I'm curious. I I thought it was her. I didn't even realize this until now. I thought it was her. Did you guys think it was her? I thought it was her until I looked at it again It's it's totally her So you're still doing this here I'm convinced I would say I'm 85% sure it's not her, but we uh, I don't know who else I don't know I don't know my work position. She was she was center stage There were two people side by side her And then when the explosion happened the two people are still there they get vaporized and she doesn't Well, there's two different groups of people. There's the three people inside and there's the three people outside All standing in the exact same formation and this Wait, wait, wait, I thought six people got killed right so there were three people inside and three people outside And katelyn was one of the people outside Yeah, that no, no, no, it's it's definitely not her. It's absolutely not her. It's definitely not her That's them on the inside and that's her with the short hair. Yeah, it's not her. It's not her Yeah, it's it's definitely not her, but it's everything is very bad Just amused about how hard it is to figure this out. Yeah Wow, I feel like that's well the thing if it is like The the reason we're on this so much is because we really do need to establish whether or not plot armor To save her ass For anybody who's curious why we're spending so much time is like do we have an egregious use of plot armor or not? It's hard to tell I feel like part of the scene is absolutely fucked Yeah It's just yes the editing man. I don't know what they're telling me Uh Yeah, it's like where then where the thing of it is even if it was scuffed editing She seemed awfully close to it anyway. It's no plot armor no matter how you Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is That well is that one shot that I think really uh Because we know it's her at least in one of the shots And she was up front putting the fires out. So yeah Scuffed editing or not. I think she's been saved Yeah, there you go. There's definitely some plot armor. This is all we need. This is the frame to prove that this plot armor, right? Yeah Face She moved back but not that far Somebody was saying she moved back. She's like nah, she only took a couple steps She was in she was in front of other people. Maybe she's a Targaryen. They died and she didn't She's immune to explosives Um Dragon bombs. I'm immune to dragon bombs. I grew up around dragon bombs. Oh my goodness Yeah, uh, it'd be one thing if she like ran and then everybody else didn't but yeah Yeah, you need to show her backing up a lot more. I would say and then you'd be right.   That's great. I love it Um, someone said plot armor is a plot convenience. Not a plot hole.    It's not necessarily that the soup fixed the wound Okay, let's be a little provided valuable hydration The soup the soup could have been around while magical healing was happening unrelated to the soup But I I just think that illustrates the difference like It's a hole that the several steps to his stomach did nothing at all But it's not a hole that they shoot and miss you. It's just really convenient um But anyway, so his pov is that um My goods can't reach foreign markets till next winter if uh, if you get rid of the hextech, right? So you got piled over status his own money like an interest and then heimerdinger says you would sacrifice your life's work Like that everyone else is thinking about how it affects them but heimerdinger is just blown away by uh, Jayce's willingness immediately to put his own Reputed well everything that he's achieved on halt Yep, which is um Kind of feels like echoing this Danwick pedidly thing Yeah, it's a big thing he's doing and uh, it's still a funny name He's pulling up pedidly is what they call it in universe Jayce is saying to shut down the hex gates, right? That's like one of the implications of this all of the tack everything Yeah, so I so I was so why why shut down the hex gates? Why is that necessary? I think you My assumption is just that his manipulation can happen now Relation to all hex tech stuff because the enemy can study it So you've got to be careful until we figure out what they know and how they can do anything So like For the next video this thing can leave the city There is that as a concern too But I mean, I guess it would be the the clear thing would be if you have the crystal and you have the notes Might you know how to sabotage these? Yeah, there's just a lot of risks now because we're exposed like we haven't been before Yeah, reduce the variables by uh by shutting everything down Until they can get it back In chat someone said because the under city now is the means to Mess with it. I mean, they don't know that it's the under city. They don't really know anything They don't know that That's why they want to be safe about it because they could too and it could be anybody Yeah, it's fair to say they don't know it's the under city, but that's what they assume It's a safe assumption. I think Given I suppose it doesn't It doesn't even really matter who stole it, right? Like it's Yeah, I mean if it's ambiguous who stole it. I think it's more credible to shut them down I think if they know it's the under city, then why would they shut them down the under city doesn't need hex gates Like it would make more sense to shut down the hex gates if you're worried about Whoa, whoa, we just went over how silco is desperate to get at those hex gates. That's like the scene we just Do Further behind thanks to the hex gates and he's also Able to get trade through them, which they must have some level of awareness of that the under city has At least some connections to different people with different trades that involve with it The idea that the Piltover council think that zorn has no interest in the hex gates. It's absurd. I'm sorry. I completely disagree No, it's not I'm saying that if you thought the if you thought the threat was from someone far away There's more of a reason to shut down the hex gates than for the under city I didn't say there's no reason I think because then you would you would be shutting off a Transportation method for them to be able to come and mess with you if you think that like there was a noxious spy or something That came in like bomb the city I mean like this like there's a one-to-one analogy, okay? If you think there's a terrorist attack with airplanes, then you know for coming from a long way away It makes a lot of sense to restrict air travel, right? But if you're getting a terrorist attack domestically shutting down airplanes doesn't make as much sense It's What's been stolen is the is the secrets behind the technology that makes the hex gates function Yeah, I feel like we we just need to go more fundamental. This is like a this is like a base technology It's not just the hex gates. It's like several other bits of technology as well I think you're starting from a fundamental that they've got access to that they can do And plus we already know that there is the concern of weaponizing Um, she's stolen as well Uh, she's stolen the blueprints for the hex core, which is significant. Yes That's huge I think it doesn't matter where it came from. It's been stolen and the fact that you don't know who did it That have a suspect like it. I I think that's whether you know or not you would shut everything down Like I don't I don't know that makes a difference Or that that will be a concern that you would have They have their own stable reverse engineer.  Yeah Base technology no base technology go ahead having like Practically like unlimited power with all kinds of applications in itself So like why wouldn't you freak out and of course like this is the the brand new technology? This is the new version of it even more powerful Yeah Well, you have a finite supply of these things too.  Oh wait So you mean you mean you shut down the hex gates to stop people from getting the gemstone somewhere else You shot down one of the reasons why If you're gonna I feel you're gonna say like they can still get it outside of the city It's like, yeah, but that cripples their ability to go do it fast. No, that makes sense Um, I love this shot Yeah Look at him a thing of the just staring at the the wreckage especially on progress days like the little fair too Yeah But yeah, so as an alternative mel suggests that jay become accounts jay, sorry Hey Jays become a counselor and uh, that would enable him to have the authority and positioning to to shore up security for the hexisms And uh, the council's very split on this and then heimerdinger is actually the one that says it's Makes the most sense for scientists to be in charge of hex tech security, which That is definitely me planting a flag because thus Heimerdinger is arguably the reason that jays gets this position Isn't heimerdinger a scientist too? Yes, but he's not familiar really with hextech Well, sure, but like his point would stand that yeah, you know, he's he's correct Heimerdinger is it's correct that it's a good idea to have jays be in charge of hextech security He just needs the authority often correct. Okay. When you said red flag. I thought maybe that was No, no, no, I didn't say red flag the planting a flag. Oh, man. He got him on there Jays wouldn't be a counselor or not for heimerdinger. Yeah, that's all I'm saying Um Then we have Yay What was that? What was that? Yeah, what are you complaining about? I'm not complaining about anything. I don't remember what bit's next Right. Well, it's hard for me not to because I just don't know however it feels It's just that uh, I very much enjoyed any of the jinx scenes.   She's having fun and look at that looking at a blueprint She's already working away basically on stuff to do with with hextech very worrying Was she referred to as jinx before now in the episode? I don't know That thought just occurred to me I think I think uh silco called her jinx That I thought uh, I was talking to each other before I think she probably yeah, he probably did I don't know So vika's mentioned called her jinx, didn't she? Yeah I can't remember my memory is saying that they always just used pronouns like she uh, you know Um, wait, don't they don't they say uh in the in the river scene? Or I don't I guess we can't I don't they refer to her as powder at some point in the future I think silco suggest that you need to get rid of powder.    Yeah, like Because yeah, her mindset in relation to all this violence is just that it's pretty fun Uh, she's a very damaged person You should get a tattoo to demonstrate Exactly Nice Wait, I missed that. What were you saying?   What's that, man? I think he regrets it. Don't worry Yeah, and then she shows silka what she has once again Beautiful detail on the nails. Yeah Um, and how how great those old gemstones look by the way Very dirty They look like they are used for something for sure. It's not like a Just a featureless marble or nothing like that. That looks like it's got potential just looking at it Yeah, this is the look Can make it into anal beads You could do that.  I said hextech. No, you do you right?  She's pretty great. Yeah, she got him She had these fireworks And uh, yeah, she had everything ready to celebrate and she gives him a hug because she's clearly proven that She's strong and worthwhile But obviously plot wise silko has a gemstone, which is bad news Yeah Um And then I think We get into uh, jace visiting katlyn who's very injured. At least we get that But she's still on the case. Oh, yes Because she's very determined. Yeah and upright true uh The nice details that jace has brought her flowers and she like immediately throws them into a pile and wants to talk to him about the case just like uh There's so many she's got so many she's got a ton of them. Yeah And they've all got letters in them and so Immediate characterization. Look at I look here's what this character's priorities are. She didn't say a word to communicate that It's like yeah, whatever, but look case That it's like a tarot card so, you know, she the silko, but he could have just Or at least it looks like I imagine like a an inferior scene where she's just like, oh, I'm really focused on the case I'm I need to practice case is important in terms of establishing my autonomy and independence That's how many that's that's how so many shit writers would do it I don't appreciate your flowers jace for I have many flowers I have many flowers but I wouldn't it wouldn't have occurred to them to put the flowers in the scene as a device to Show that she doesn't care about them. Well, I am the daughter of a counselor and constantly You know I I wish to exact I wish to have autonomy look and this is my mechanism for doing so this case And uh, yeah, just I I really love the conflict in this scene being that He's desperately trying to fix the situation on his end Like it's such a huge security breach and meanwhile like a friend of his has been injured And her parents now don't want her to be an enforcer at best.    Yeah, it's just not a it's not a promotion It's a demotion. Yeah Is uh, is there like lore information about what exactly? Uh Involved like being an enforcer involves like does she have autonomy to go like investigate stuff or Like I'm assuming so based on what she does I'm assuming not because of what marcus says I was gonna say she probably needs to be sanctioned or at least approved of like You know, it's probably the standard thing of the the the officers would be given missions or details What Enforces of like vague cops Basically like of this of this world I'm kind of asking it It seems like they're more than cops. They're more like fbi agents or something. Well, that's why i'm saying like vague cops They're like more enforcement basically more cops than fbi agents Yeah, we don't really That doesn't seem to be an actual like if they're not cops, then what are the cops, right? Then we surely we would have been shown Some someone that they like go up to and it's like, hey, we'll take it from here Kind of like that the people in blue stand on the street corners, man. Like, yeah They're cops Um, I guess but I mean she she accepts the uh the position right for the utility that it has though, doesn't she? Oh, yeah.  Well, just all the expressions she has They even have one that's like blued because the focus is on him. It's just like they just don't care if you miss stuff like that The moment she takes the scroll thing from it. Like it's not a look of like it's not a pleasant look. It's suspicion Like when she's looking at what's the thing, um, I think this is pretty cool Is an underlying thing that seems to be happening throughout this uh season is that these two people grow apart. Um When they could have done any story they wanted But it's just a matter of they're both running completely different plot lines Um, and so when they come back it's uh, because yeah, this is the last time these two talk now for a while um Yeah, so, uh, she decides that it's worth trying to get to still water So she can interview that guy that she was able to talk to briefly. Um at the airship when she gets there the um I don't even know. Do you know what species he is thea? I don't he is a large man I I think when I was watching it with uh with fria say like this guy feels like The fake american accent that you can hear sometimes Sounds really put on but I could be wrong. I don't know who voiced it, but it's just He talks like this Everything feels extended it's something that um Gary has said to be before with the american impersonations that get on his nose when they just drag out each word Um, but yeah, I don't know.  I liked the bit where he shot his gun and had a hat Oh, so Anyway, she goes speak to that guy.  And um, it was kind of neat for me.  I feel like what was not even criticism It's just so many people i'm interested in that I was like, oh, yeah, of course. She exists as well um And I was I was quite happy to see her like hell.   It's um, kind of reminds me of the The powder shooting thing as a kid. Just like yeah, all right, calm down. It's okay We get it You you can do this in so many other ways.  Yeah, I just uh, it's not even that It doesn't bother me.  I know you want me to think she's cool. You don't need to do it like this You don't need to work that hard Yeah, like, you know practicing our form or whatnot, you know, I don't have to be punching the wall directly.  It doesn't have to be the most extreme Version of whatever Vi is the biggest brawler possibly in the whole show and she's the one that probably takes the most damage out of everybody She has other than people who died, obviously I just mean that she gets beaten to a pulp several times The real heroes are the ones we have to keep going on Dying is easy. It's easier So anyway, that was episode four And Yeah, we've lost half the time Uh, what what can be said about episode four? I think it reminds me a little bit of episode one and two where we're resetting again We're setting the table. Yeah, let's find my god. I like it a lot There's plenty to draw from it But it's definitely one of them ones you finish and you're like, all right When's where do we go? Let's go. When's the people killing each other? When's the part with the giant lasers? Come on Where's the glorious evolution? Where's the part with the cool cowboy shoots the other cool cowboy? Are you looking for me to move by that? I mean, yeah, I was gonna say it's in some of the best TV shows that I've seen So I don't think it's a bad idea, you know I'm gonna put on my thumbnail face for that Yes, a little bit slow, but it's fine. I agree. Um Which yeah, if there's nothing else anyone else to say we can just stop the next one because we are Next quickly like we need to take that time because we have had a huge time skip But also we're not wasting time in just resetting the scene We're also like picking up threads and working with characters and Moving them in directions to get the plot moving forward as well I think we go back and uh I was gonna say I think chow before we go back and argue about progress day for another two Just get we can do it. Don't test it. No, I'm good The funny thing today is we're only gonna get through another episode So there's still so many conversations that cannot be had but I suppose next week we'll try to do four episodes. Okay, it'll be nuts Yeah Um, yeah, by the way, this isn't just because rags will uh need to go But I would also argue that me and fringy need the time to be able to finish up boba fat. Uh, we're close Yeah, we're close. Yeah Yeah You bet I'm excited You uh, wow, I'm excited for it to be done. Yes. I Oh, dude, I'm excited for not understating that I've put uh as as fringy, of course as well a lot of effort in this one So, uh, hopefully you guys enjoy it fun little edits It's been non-stop since uh, since we recorded it, but We can't talk about that yet. We got to talk about episode five Now episode five and this isn't pointed at all But we open on a great character building scene for katelin.  Theo. It's not trite. Look at that That's an arcane That's not real Yeah, that like that one especially was the one I was going to bring up.  Oh, that's gorgeous Look at those leaves look at the gun Sexy gun rags. Look at the gun I do see the gun. What a gun. You like guns. I do like guns uh Beautiful insane pretty gorgeous coom. I see it's chatter on point today Yeah, um agree. So we see targets are rising and getting shot by a younger katelin I actually think j was it you that you didn't realize you this was a flashback until I was just like she's a lot younger, but I feel like that gives it away I think it was only when Grayson shows up the j was like, oh, okay Grayson shows up spoiler I'm sorry. Yeah, Grayson's back somehow. She returned This seems bizarre to me. I I really like that bit bit there where she like readjust her like Placing a chin against the gun like for aiming they didn't need to do that, but they did I'm more curious for rags just said that this scene is bizarre. What's that about? What's going on rags? I guess the the contest of how the Yeah, so I guess you you and someone else are running through the woods And there are places where targets pop up and then you shoot the targets And then you move to a next spot or I guess more targets pop up and you're next to them and they're next to you And then you get to the end. It seems like a really odd My assumption is you're yeah, my assumption is you both released into the forest There's a track to run and the one who hits the most targets wins You know, so there's some rate of fire You you got a these things seem to be single action In the terms of their their break their break action They break open you put one in Heart martini henry style and sometimes she suits these things Damn fast or I'm wondering what what are you doing off camera to shoot this gun that fast? She's pulling the gun uh below camera and then back up again goldmine style. Oh Oh Actually, I was just looking at the colors. I don't know if all the target colors are different or If there's a red one yours are green Opponents are yellows and then there's red ones that mean both of you can shoot them I don't know if that's what that is. I think I think that's like score based like yeah, I think you have a course of your own My assumption is uh, you each have a course of your own Which are color coded and then the last one is free for all Or is it? Yeah, just it's the first person to hit the red target You can only hit the red target when you've hit all of your targets I thought that the red target was when you're not supposed to shoot originally And they were gonna do this thing where she's maybe impulsive and learns a lesson Uh, there's something along those lines because like because that happens a lot in target Yeah, it happens a lot in target practice where like in games and in stuff where there's a lot of targets to shoot But there's some you don't shoot so that doesn't mean you just shoot everything that moves instinctively Which would be good practice for an enforcer um But I but I guess it's just the targets red you shoot it also damn those back sights are wide like I said, um She's got a green armband and she's shooting the green targets I think that you have a color coded to yourself and then red was just for both of you And it's the first person to shoot it and because she realizes that uh, it wasn't that she shot it first It was the grace and gave her the win Um That look of elation she has on her face when she hits it then looks to the side and sees grace in there It turns into a little bit of a frown Yeah, because she thought she'd won because she was good. Yeah, but then That comes into the point that Grayson's making Why are you shooting? What are you shooting for?  I like her used sparingly Yeah, um and compliment the voice actress again just so unique Um Yeah, just the scene ends with katelyn being asked Basically like why are you doing what you're doing and uh, it just plays into a lot of what we already know about here But I really like all of the flashback scenes for the the characters as children there. Um informative Um, yeah, I think she says about the winning the trophy that uh Grayson says protecting this city. That's trophy enough or something like that Yeah, this seems actually this is one that I didn't notice much on my first watch through but it's actually like Really good and important for katelyn's character Agreed and this is This is basically the moment where she wants to become an enforcer, right? Yeah, it's clearly that Grayson's inspired her quite a bit Yeah, and like it's hard to It's another case where I can't I can't give it the praise I want to because we have to mention things We can't mention but um, it fits in really well with what happens later Grayson has an impact on multiple people who are enforcer or enforcer adjacent Yeah, even penis man liked her I Am lord of the penis uh So, yeah, uh, which immediately the dialogue is just telling you everything you want to know so katelyn and via talking to each other and um Uh vise offering that she'd be able to help in some way shape or form and then she's uh, katelyn's like Why would I trust someone like you and she's like you enforcers are all the same go find him yourself Like they both have preconceptions that are pretty significant about each other's station um And yeah, I feel really interesting given who she is in the game Mm-hmm. Yeah, we can I think that's something we should save to mention until the end of the show because that's uh It's great Okay Yeah, so katelyn decides to use The position she has to authorize the release of vi under her supervision Uh, and I think is there a light it's like, um, since when was jay's a counselor.  Uh, what do you want to mention go for it? Uh, I mean, I I feel like it's a bit convenient. I mean, I don't know if you guys feel the same way But they don't kiss on the lips. Just so we're clear. They do not kiss on the lips and let's see. Okay Chat chat has chat has been having a field day with that. Um But no, I mean I don't know it doesn't seem The fact that the fact that katelyn's able to meet vi and the fact that they cooperate the way that they do Seems a bit convenient. Why what do you mean? Why? Uh, okay, so what what motivation does katelyn have to trust her? Um, well the reason why would talk to her is because she's like the only real lead that she has What choice does she have? Yeah, I think katelyn's taken a risk Yeah, katelyn's not a risk to risk at this point No, and and vi also makes clear that katelyn will not be Effective alone in the undersea which katelyn you can see in her face. She's like Man she has a point. Yeah, I'm like is there is there is there a good reason that katelyn thinks that There's anything like there's any reason to trust her that she has something useful to add or that she should Her reaction to her word or image and her reference to sylko The fact that she's pinning sylko as the leader the fact she said she can prove it and that she recognizes the The crayon drawing Yeah, so she knows that vi has some emotional attachment to the operation adjacent to hers and Yeah, she she may not have an exactly a good reason to trust vi But what other you know option does she had her lead just got her his fucking job busted up by her So She's taking a risk katelyn doesn't trust her Yeah, katelyn doesn't have a heck of a lot of trust in her But again, she's got to do what she's got to do clearly. She's not averse to risk at all She got blown up and she's already still on the case I'm on the case I mean die. She just got back up My problem isn't with being risk averse. It's just that like If you if you compare this to a scene like violence of the lambs has very similar scenes Um, I just feel like a lot of what's happening doesn't really follow it. It seems a bit convenient I mean, she just randomly. Okay.  We'll go sort it out. It's like it's it's a stretch I feel like that's a really in Uncontractable way to paint the scene exactly. Did you not see vi's reaction to merely looking at a drawing? How do you fake that? Well, yeah, I'm not going to say it's impossible to fake that but I think that's katelyn's reasoning is that this girl knows And and she's and she knows she's lied to her as well She's like, why did you like the beating up the guy who's directly involved with all of this? And she's already claimed that he works for silco. Everyone does Um, which is if you remember with future a little bit of future knowledge that silco has been cleared again and again So that's definitely interesting information Yeah, I understand that I think there's a more than enough here for if you remember katelyn regrets this decision soon But then realizes that uh That it was actually the right choice I mean, that's kind of my point is that they have a substantial reason for them to be very skeptical of or hostile to each other And that doesn't seem to manifest very much. What do you mean? I think it's definitely I think they're quite hostile antagonistic to each other I guess the second question would be what should she have done instead? What is katelyn's alternative to getting Vi out and then Working with her. What does she do? I mean, I mean the alternative is to leave and continue investigating elsewhere. I mean, I I'm not convinced it's a lead Like like, okay. Okay. Hold on. So let's back up. Okay. Katelyn. Is there talking to the dude at the front? And she's like, okay. I'm here to see this dude with these tattoos.  I want to see this dude. Okay.  Uh, what can I talk to him? I don't know when his face gets patched up All right later like why why do you even make the assumption? Oh the person who beat him up in prison Like I should definitely go talk to this person. Why did they do it? Why did they do it? I that's what I'm saying.  There's no reason not to you're there What's the reason not to talk to the prisoners are heavily in like the reason not to talk to them Is that first of all you can't trust them. They're heavily incentivized to lie to you And why talk to the first person and why talk to the first person I mean, I don't like that logic at all. Never talk to prisoners. You can't trust them. Yeah, you can't trust a lot of people This is the exact this is the exact attitude that created the divisive tension between Caitlyn and vi the unwillingness to trust other people that are not from a similar place than you If you were you should be ashamed of yourself They do trust each other like an inordinate about seemingly Okay, they definitely struggled before getting to that point. Uh, I I don't know why it's not enough that this is a person who had specific interest The guy was there for what like an hour and he was beaten to death almost that's very interesting And then the fact that she recognizes the drawings She has someone that she can pin it on and she's offering I can prove it. You can't on your own Caitlyn can take it or leave it. You will not asked on your own in the undersea And Caitlyn has the power just just just to just to walk through this because I I caved on other stuff where I still disagree but this is I feel like there's a good point here. Okay, first of all One of my objections is it is very convenient It is very convenient tha