There's history here. And here. There's history there. History is everywhere. Hi, I'm Dorothy Cotton here at the Phoenix Historical Society Museum. And we're at 607 Church Street in Phoenix. And we're open from Monday through Friday from one to four. So you can buy and see us sometime. And if you welcome, welcome in. We'll show you some, show you around, show you what we have. The Phoenix Historical Society was started in 1998. And the museum was opened a couple years later. Here we have our little parlor stove. It was made around 1880. And it was originally used in the Brithouse. But we have it here. One of our members donated it. Here is a little sibley tent stove. It was made by Major Henry Sibley. And it was invented to fit into the side of his tent. It kept the tent warm. It was invented about 1857. This one was used in Fort Klamath. And it came to us on loan. This is our rocker arm, rocker for the mining claim. It was used up Anderson Creek and other places here locally when they were mining different gold and different things. So I have a lot of pictures of the schools that used to be here. From the early 1900s on, they were eventually taken down and the new ones put up. We have a lot of pictures of the old schools and a lot of students from many of the years back, dating back before 1900. We have a lot of old pictures. Some places that are still in existence here in Phoenix, others are no longer here. But we have a lot of, a large collection of old photographs of buildings and people from around the Phoenix area. One of them here is the Furry family. The Furry family came here in 1860 and lived here ever since. There are still members of the Furry family living here in Phoenix. Here is the Furry family home and hotel. The building was built in 1857. They lived there around 1808 or 1909 and kept it as a home and a hotel for many, many years. The building is still there. It is located on Main Street and it's still there. It can be, if you look at it just right, you can tell that it is the same building. It's been added onto a bit, but it's still the same building. This is our newest acquisition. It's a pump organ. It originally sat in the first Presbyterian church here in Phoenix. That was actually located on this site. The building is no longer here. When the Presbyterian church moved down about four blocks, they took the organ with them. And over the years it sat there, then was sold. It is now back with us. Family gave it back to us. They purchased it. They fixed it up and now it works fine. It's a pump organ, so it's difficult to play unless you know how. You need to pump the pedals down below before it makes any noise. Okay. So in order to play the pump organ, you need to pump the pedals before you can play it. Without pumping it, well, you have to wait until it stops. I left air in it. Without pumping it, it makes no noise. Okay, this is our hand-canceling machine from the post office. It was used many years ago, but it was used last used in 1993. Now of course it's all automated and they can do hundreds of letters a minute. But at the time, it was one at a time and it was all done by hand. So we still have it and it still works. Can you show us? Yes. The arm is in the way. And you can just put a letter in on this side. Well, I do it right backwards. Okay, see, that's what it does. And then it comes out and it hand-cancels, it cancels, it puts the date on it. There is a little date wheel right in here. I can't, I've never done it. We have a lady, one of our members works, was a postmaster for many years and she always takes care of it for us. So none of us have ever done anything with it. She always has. But it's quite an attraction for the children. If you put it, if you do it right, that one's getting kind of wrinkled. This is our slot machine that was also loaned to us. It came from Barclays Tavern, which is on Main Street. It is still there on Main Street. And right now it doesn't work, it's been locked. But it's one of the old nickel slot machines. It doesn't completely work anymore, it's been locked. But it does, it is one of the old nickel slot machines. Okay, this is a miniature of the Culver House. It was built to scale, that's why it's rather large. Because the house was on the historic registry, they went to Portland and got all the dimensions of it and built it to scale. So it's the exact scale. There is a few things in it from the original Culver House. After it burned, these pillars here, they weren't going to build the whole house out of that material, but they couldn't because it was way too hard to cut. So they did make the pillars here in the front out of the original boards from the Culver House. Actually, my brother built the house. He lived in Phoenix all his life and remembers the Culver House very well. And so he built the miniature for us, he and his wife. There's two pictures we have here. The first one is of the Culver, Salmon Hold the Culver, they're the ones that actually started the town. They came here in 1854, had a donation of land claim and built the big house, that was just the Culver House in 1854. It stood over the years and other families have owned it, many other people owned it. In 2008 it did burn. Sam Culver lived around here for all of, they lived here all their lives. He was an Indian agent and raised horses and was quite instrumental in the valley at that time. The Culver, the original Culver House was built in 1854 and stood on the highway on Highway 99 until 2008 when it burned. So it was the oldest house in the area for many, many years. And it was quite a landmark here in Phoenix. The pictures we have behind the house, we have the top row are members of the Stancliffe family. They were a very old family here in Phoenix. The gentleman on the right, Bert Stancliffe, lived to be 102 or 3. He was born here in Phoenix and that's his family. And the ones on the bottom are members of the Culver family. It's another huge family in Phoenix. They're the ones that built the Culver House, their ancestors or parents built the Culver House. Hat collection belongs to one of our members, Margaret. She has a large hat collection and she just brought a few of them into the forest to have on display so we could look at them. There's a lot of really interesting hats in her display. The doll collection is on loan from one of our members. They belong to his parent, his mother, some of them, and then he has the rest of them. And they're on loan from them. There's quite some old dolls in there and a lot of different ones. It's a nice spot to visit. We have picnic table, come in and enjoy your lunch. This is the mail cart that was used in Phoenix many years ago. The gentleman that ran the post office would take his tractor and attach it to his wagon and drive up the road to the train depot and pick up the mail twice a day and bring it back to the post office and that's the little cart he used. It was kind of funny. The museum actually sits in the corner of the cemetery property. We lease that property from the cemetery. The jail only has three sides and that's because they'd take it to the person's house whenever they broke the law. They'd take it to their home, put it up against the house and the family was responsible for feeding them and taking care of them. So hopefully the husband didn't do anything to his wife or she wouldn't feed him. So that's one of the stories because the door is here and it only has three sides. Here's a couple of timbers that we salvaged from the Culver house when it burned in 2008. You'll notice that the timbers are like 12 inches square and they're all tongue and grooved and they all have pins where they were put together with pins instead of nails. The house was built in 1854 so they didn't use many nails. It burned in the middle of the night. The gentleman that owned the house had to jump out of the second story window to get out.  We're located at 607 Church Street in Phoenix and we're open Monday through Friday from 1 to 4. Okay, thanks for coming to visit us today and I hope you will come back and see us again. Thanks.


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Good morning all here in the studio and to those online welcome to this press conference which is a prelude to the 40th meeting of the conference of heads of government of the Caribbean community to bring us all up to date on what will take place over the next two day over the following two days on Thursday and Friday and Wednesday as well three days we have with us the secretary general of the Caribbean community is Excellency Ambassador Irwin LaRocque the ambassador the secretary general will make open remarks following which he will take your questions Ambassador LaRocque. Thank you thank you Leonard and let me say good morning to members of the media here and those who are following us understand we are streamed live I want to say a pleasant good morning but I would just thank you very much for being here with us joining I've not given me the opportunity to share with you what the next few days hold for us as you know that we're the 40th meeting of the heads of government will be held here in St. Lucia under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Hon. Alan Chastney who assumed the chair on the first of July we expect a full house of member states all all member states will be represented we'll have 11 heads of government joining us as far as the member states and we have four heads from the associate members so we have a fairly a fairly full house and the other member states are represented at the ministerial level we expect to have two special guests with us Hon. Ernest Solberg the Prime Minister of Norway will be a special desk and will interactive heads and his Excellency Antonio Gutierrez the secretary general of the United Nations will also be here with us for an interaction with the heads the opening ceremony as you may know by now will take place on Wednesday afternoon at 4 30 at the Royalton Hotel there will be four speakers the chairman Prime Minister Chastney the immediate past chairman Prime Minister Timothy Harris of St. Kitts and Nevis and as well as the secretary general of the United Nations he'll also address the opening ceremony and of course yours truly will give some opening remarks the agenda basically will be looking at some of the items that we have been looking for in terms of what progress are being made the current common single market and economy will feature prominently once again you know that we have set some timelines and a work plan that had been agreed to by heads of government and basically we will be getting an update on who was done what and who was not done what and see how we move forward it has been some progress but not as much as I think we all might anticipate and for some of you for good reason the private sector labor and civil society will join us representatives of the private sector labor and civil society will join us for the discussions on the CSME their representative of the the persons who will be using the population at large will be using who have to make make use of the CSME so we'll be hearing from them in terms of how best you know we could make it more usable and user-friendly there's also going to be a discussion proposals by recognizing the private sector original private sector body that will be representative and in have been interlocutor between the various organs of the community and and the private sector we've also I think at the last meeting already recognize the CCL as a associate institution and I guess at some point we have to be doing the same for civil society that is just showing that we're seeking to be more interactive more consultative with with the population at large the stakeholders I should just mention last night I had a very interesting interaction with the youth of the region through the Caracom Youth Ambassador Corps and they two are asking for some sort of an interest so that there can be some some dialogue and and not just tokenism as they put it with regards to representation so the CSME will be one of the major items and and that a link to that is the Commission on the Economy we had appointed a reappointed the Commission on the Economy and the Commission was given one one year to do its work and they started the work in earlier this year and they have to give an interim report the Commission is chaired by Dr. Avi Natchprasad of Barbados and it's made up of a number of prominent individuals not only regional persons but but one or two from from out of the region and they will be given an update on that and that of course is linked to the CSME and is linked of course to the issue of growth and sustainable growth in our region another item on the agenda is blacklisting it's a it's a problem that is not going away many of our countries have been blacklisted many of our countries have done what they've asked to be done and yet they get themselves back on the list the goalposts keep shifting and we have a discussion on a strategy on how to go forward that strategy has been put in place Prime Minister Shasta himself has been leading on that along with Prime Minister Antigone Babu the Prime Minister Brown so I think that's going to be for a very interesting discussion but the issue is that we're being blacklisted and very often we're not even being consulted to see what we're doing that is in member states crime and security will also feature very prominently on the agenda it's a constant there's already very strong cooperation on crime and security but we are seeking to strengthen that cooperation and collaboration among the security apparatus in the region and that's going to be a key point as you know we've been putting some of the regional legal framework in place but I think now we're trying to see how we can even step up greater collaboration along the security personnel as I mentioned to you Prime Minister of Norway will have an interaction and the UN Secretary General will have an interaction and some of the issues that will be raised with them are issues of grief concern to us climate change sustainable ocean economy the Prime Minister of Norway heads a panel on the blue economy which is something that our region is looking at and the pollution of our oceans sustainable development goals these are some of the issues that we will be engaging both of them on and the Secretary General of the United Nations will be hosting a series of very important meetings in September so we'll also give the heads an opportunity to hear about the plans for those meetings as well as to see how we get our views forward on financing for development on the issue of resilience building on the issue of access to financing for the sustainable development goals so we expect very very good discussions with the two of them and since resilience it will be an issue that the Prime Minister Shastri as chairman will be putting forward in terms of what are some of the areas how do we get financing to for resilience it's very easy to get financing after a hurricane but you need to build resilience before the hurricane before the disaster strikes or the earthquake and access to such financing is costly how do we get concessional financing to build resilience so this is another issue we're going to be discussed the other items on the agenda such as science and technology which will be introduced preliminarily and a discussion that would relate to our relations with the African diaspora will also be discussed of course you will we expect the border issues Guyana Venezuela and Belize Guatemala to be also be discussed an update on what's happening there so that basically is a quick tour of what are the the items on the agenda that will be discussed over the hope Saturday on well Thursday and Friday there will be a closing press conference so again we will invite you and be able to report on what actually happened so that's about the tour thank you very much Secretary General we will now take your questions and please remember when you are asking your questions to state your name and the agency which you represent thank you jenica simon from choice tv is it working i'm hoping so um secretary general thank you so much for your time today and for taking our questions um i have a question about csm e uh in 2017 i believe it was jamaica who had a commission to review that country's engagement with caracom and caro forum the report that was issued was shall we say not very salutary in terms of the single market and economy its impact on caracom citizens lives as well as the benefits that um it was bringing to jamaica and by extension the rest of the region could you tell me since that report came out what discussions or what actions have been taken to strengthen the framework and to um make it a better functioning for the lives of caracom citizens please okay you you would recall that the the report as you said came out and it was first tabled in 2017 in montego bay in jamaica and there was a discussion a more thorough discussion when the heads met in special session in trinidad and to bego in december of 2018 and that led to what i referred to what the implementation plan out of that some time lines were set to get some things done and most of those i would say about 19 95 of those things are things to be done by the member states and the time lines were laid out um to carry us over a period of i believe three or four years um that is a plan i referred to that is going to be on the review uh at the at the session today um the trade ministers had had a look at it um because the trade ministers are the ones that are going to be monitoring it more more and more the jamaica commission report raised a number of other issues that pertain to the general operation of the of the of caracom some of which we already have in train um and which is going to be applied to not only the csm but just about every work program that we put in place results based management we have to show results for what we're doing and the caravan development bank has been very very helpful in working with us um financing um a results based management system not only for the secretariat but for the regional institutions as well as for member states we're actually going to be proposing to the member states that they need now need to do that um so that one can be accountable for the commitments that are made um when you when you when you do so at a meeting um very often it's not a secret um commitments are made and the the dates pass and we haven't done it so despite all the work all the groundwork may have may have been prepared so we're going to be having a more focused look i think um prime minister me and what he has really taken up that challenge um and is leading the charge in that in that regard so that is the plan that we referred to that will be reviewed and quote-unquote a report card of sorts will be given today good morning gentlemen uh my question has to do with agriculture and and food security at one of the biggest criticisms of caracum as a bloc is that well some of the criticisms point to that there appears to be no or not that big a move while you see no steps towards actually ensuring food security as it relates to reducing our food import bill um could you speak to us about what steps caracum is taking right now because one of the one of the points that has been raised is that um we as a region as a subgrouping is strong enough should be strong enough for certain countries or certain members to be able to at least supply certain certain foods and certain certain which are native or endemic to to their respective countries as a bit to reducing this import bill so could you speak to caracum's efforts please sure the food import bill is very very significant it's it's modern four billion us dollars in our region the food import bill in itself presents opportunities but it also presents challenges because as you know of that four million dollars if you dissect it down into what are the various types of foods that we import not everything is produced in our region a substantial amount of it is not produced in our region that notwithstanding it leaves the opportunity open for production in those items in which we can produce and we have at the caracum level prepared and adopted a food and nutrition security policy member states have used that it was done in a modular format and member states have used that to develop their own national food and nutrition security policies and some of them have actually gone further and done action plans and the secretary has worked with these member states all along the way in sometimes even providing technical support through funding that we may have received from FAU or one of the other organizations if FAU and IECA have collaborated with us very very much on that and CARDI it's a collaborative effort to work with the member states and where we if I'm not mistaken just about all of the member states technical assistance was provided to the member states to prepare national action plans now what is the status of that I don't have that information at hand but the the issue of food security across our community also has questions of sanitary and phytosanitary you know the standards to allow foods to go in for instance that we're working on as well the issue of transportation is one that we devil's us because if you produce they're the first produce to market on time is another issue so there are a number of issues that we're working on at different fronts that one of the things that will be discussed that has been raised with the private sector mentioned that they'll be meeting with us it will not take place at this setting but it has been done preliminarily how what would what would be needed for the private sector to boost production of various products and of course agro industries are critical one for us what is needed what what what what we do with the CSME is to create the environment to allow for the trade in goods to take place without any hindrance as much as is possible but the governments won't produce the secretary doesn't produce anything in terms of food that is we produce a lot of documents but not food but Peter behave yourself but um but this is the private sector who produced who produced the food and and what is it what is it that that we require for them so that'll be another discussion that we're hoping to have with the private sector at the next sitting but just to follow up to that um I will just point to St. Lucia about four years ago three four years ago where our ministry of agriculture sought to increase the quota of local chicken and to be purchased by our supermarkets and our other our purchase of local chicken and it was met with great resistance by our chamber of commerce and well their members who saw it as a cheaper alternative so my question to you is that would you would you be would caracum be more encouraging of governments to give concessions to their local producers as to reduce those costs of those production costs because I think from what I gather um one of the biggest issues by these retailers those sellers is that the the cost of purchasing locally is too high whereas they they could purchase chicken from the United States at much lower costs um which you hear on the ground these things are sometimes two three years old have been packed and contains their stuff in preservatives so is it time that maybe caracum or those boys should be more forceful um in terms of getting each country uh to you know provide more concessions to their local producers and and businesses in that respect well I don't know what more concessions you refer to because I am aware that um just about all of our member states um I'm not sure if Jamaica has because of the structural adjustment program but just about all of our member states have some system of providing concessions for investments um and I'm not aware I mean I I hear repeated statements being made about not providing the local private sector with concessions but as far as I'm aware there's a system of concessions that member states manage um some of it some of it comes to us in the sense that some of the member states utilize the the framework of the CSME to seek derogations from inputs into manufacturing for instance that allows for these items to import it in that will be to to assist in the in the production you raise a very interesting point however the the private sector is not a homogenous group so you have the producing private sector wanting to reduce and you have the importing private sector saying I want to import and that is why we feel that bringing the private sector together at a regional level a representative group we can't interact with all of these various factions in the private sector and they they propose private sector organization of the Caribbean which is what is maybe coming about um hopefully can help us to bridge that gap um but the the issue of poultry the poultry association poultry association of the Caribbean is very very active they they're one of the groups that we meet with regularly that is at the at the regional level um they're coordinating among they were in producing groups and um we are satisfied that they are producing quality products and they they have the capacity um in some of our countries like in Guyana for instance where the the market base is there um there's had any poultry products imported they sell sufficient I think it's a little more difficult to break even in smaller smaller populations and that's where the the the need to export for economies of scale becomes very important and again the standards for the foods but we have to encourage local production you're pointing to the fact that we import sometimes poultry imported into the region that's that's months and months old and there's nothing nicer than a nice local stew chicken instead of the the frozen stuff that we get so that's another aspect of promoting healthy lifestyles and promoting eating healthy foods which links into our health issues and so on so there's a number of of areas that we have to tackle the production side the promotion of eating what we what we produce always bearing in mind that that chicken is a very the cheapest source of protein in our diets and we have to balance one with the other prime assertions in the government information service sir um what's car come taking a a unified position um on the decriminalization of cannabis what is the position of car you recall that we the heads of government appointed the marihuana commission and the marihuana commission reported the the commission report is actually available on our website for those who would wish to read it and to see what's being done and it is a basis upon which our member states um are utilizing to see how they treat you the matter domestically the commission was an independent commission it was deliberately an independent commission that went out i believe it was able to consult in all but two member states um my memory serves it correctly so they got feedback from a range of different stakeholders those in favor of those are not in favor of um in terms of decriminalization or the use or the medicinal use of the herb um we consulted it as i said a wide so that document is the base document upon which member states would at the national level determine how they treated the matter because you still have contending interest groups at the national level that some say you should not decriminalize on some say you should um keep the status quo as it is um so that's where we are we've done a bit of work it's just a tremendous piece of work it's a little to the public very well informed from the medical standpoint from the social standpoint from the religious standpoint from the impact on youth and the fact that you you're caught in one split when you have a criminal record for for how long all of these matters were taken into account and the recommendations are there the member states now need to determine how they act upon them i'm solar java fred hot seven tv um my question is in regards to disaster management for member states um in regards to assistance after a natural disaster is there a plan in place to aid um if not will this be part of discussions well there is a there is a system in place through cdema the caracom caribbean disaster emergency emergency management unit that triggers a whole host of things immediately after well just prior to disaster when you know it's coming because you can always see a hurricane coming most times you see a hurricane coming um not not on earthquake unfortunately but the hurricanes we can we can predict with a few days and there's a there's a a whole system in place that triggers um immediate post disaster relief um you're going to into the immediate post disaster is like to people's rescuing people and that sort of thing and the more long-term thing is to now generate aid and that that system in in terms of it includes the donors as well and they meet regularly um not only during a disaster pre-hurricane season so already they've met um that is a group that is chaired by the head of cdema the deputy chair is the head of undp and undp coordinates united nation development program coordinates if they're the donors and we see the donors so that is there but we're looking to see now how do you strengthen that because the experience we had with the hurricane season in 2017 when i believe nine countries of the caribbean community nine countries in the caracom were affected if you include sen sen sen martin and how do you where we had a substantial caracom population that that were of interest to all of our member states how do you strengthen um what we have in place um to provide assistance for a longer term and and going before that as i mentioned before what how do how do member states access the resources that is necessary to build resilience and that is not only about seawalls and bridges you know resilience is about resilience in terms of of the social resilience the economic resilience and those are some of the things that we're looking at we're actually doing very quietly some work with cdema with undp um it's not yet ready to to reach the stages of heads for a proposal on how you strengthen that mechanism but it's it's very much in place in the meantime we're strengthening our relations with those countries who have come to assistance um france in other lands united states the british in terms of having a more quality response to disasters good morning joshua sentemi from the salacious star i'm going back to the cannabis question and csm me on a whole with some countries moving forward with legislation do you believe that with others not doing so that this can pose a threat or so to csm me well cannabis is not related to csm in any any way shape or form it's not so i i'm not understanding talking about the free movement of people and money and goods um no cannabis you you need to understand cannabis right now is a bansome stance for international trade you know it is governed by a protocol at united nations and you know country um is allowed to trade in marijuana marijuana products unless it's under some very i know there's some some the question of how do you treat with with medications that are derived from the cannabis but the plant and even that is under some discussion even within united states where some of the states have liberalized you can't transport the herb across the state waters state lines so we're not encouraging anybody to one start moving with marijuana you will be arrested there's not a lot about it you know we are moving a banned substance but what we've done is looking at decolonizing marijuana in at a national level not about trading in the now we see a potential for medicinal marijuana there are persons in our region who have done a lot of research on it in jamaica in particular and i believe my memory is correct that they may even have patented is it what patent the certain medications that are derived from it and research is ongoing and a number of member states are looking at how do you use that as a part of the industry the pharmaceutical industry that will be a very controlled industry which is different than individuals having um for recreational use of original use to not try to cross the border with marijuana you're going to be arrested and and for those countries where it's not decriminalized you you have to respect that the laws are still there until the government takes action the laws are still there you have to respect the laws good morning jessie leance a carb update uh let's go back to the advancing of csma the commission on the economy you mentioned earlier that there has been some progress but not as much as you as as would have been anticipated can you speak to the extent of of what has not been done perhaps give us some insight based on what you know i don't want you to let the cat out of the bag for dr persaud but if you could give us some extent uh as to what has not been done and how it will hamper our progress going forward from this week well i think the the commission on the economy is looking at the growth the bigger growth issues and not necessarily at the implementation plan on the csma that is separate i've linked it to because the csma provides a platform for economic growth so his the the the commission will look at it more at a macro level some of the issues that are plaguing us and growth debt debt management and those sort of things on terms of the in terms of the um the um csma plan there's for instance give you an example of issues where i think that we are lagging behind that ought not to be lagging behind the heads of government have agreed so far on 10 categories plus two for free movement in our community i say 10 plus two because we have agreed on two additional but the technical work to govern to to inform what would be the requirement for movement is still being done so it is not yet operationalized but the 10 categories plus our culture workers and security personnel um is what we're looking at as two new categories to be added of the 10 that have already been agreed member states who given the opportunity to pass the legislation and in the interim having not passed the legislation because we know legislative agendas take time to um put in administrative procedures the ccg recognizes that member states can do that those who have passed the caricum community act you can do that and those who have passed and all of our member states have passed the caricum treaty into law so any obligation that comes out of it they ought to be able to use administrative procedures to allow it to happen what we're finding that there's still member states who are not who have not passed the legislation but worse yet who have not put all of the administrative procedures in place to allow for that and that's what we're going to be looking at i'm not going to be calling names right now because persons i know we've had a series of meetings since the december meeting in december one on one of the member states and that has proven to be very very helpful and sometimes it's lack of understanding you know i mean i i hate to say that but on on what needs to be done at the member state level i'm sorry to put it that way but the capacity doesn't seem to be there to go ahead and do what has to be done so we're finding that since we've been having these one-on-one meetings with the member states individually technical staff at the csma unit and that's some of we've seen some progress already from december but we need to do more of that more the more the hand holding unfortunately we have to do more of it we have a question online i understand yes we do um it's from um facebook on caricum facebook uh from uh eddy lane news update gianna what is caricum's position on the current political climate in gianna following the passage of the december 21st no confidence motion and what appears to be a position by the government to ignore the consequences and basically they're asking what is the position of caricum well the matter is before the courts it is what you call was that famous subject the same and the community has a standard policy when matters of before the courts you let the court do what it has to do the court will the court has met the ccj has met they met on the and they're going to meet again on the 12th of july and we have to wait to see what happens um we've been mourning i personally have been monitoring the situation very very closely i live in gianna this is my temporary home i have met with the the president i've met with the opposition on more than one occasion so i'm receiving information the views but i am not going to make any public pronouncement until we know what is the situation the court has to pronounce and if um we see what happens afterwards if if the pronouncements or the judgment is the subsequent judgments are there to then there's a problem but until the judicial process is in review i know people persons are impatient but there's there's room for the judicial review it's there and we must allow this to happen and we see what happens after the 12th of july we have two more questions president of Haiti coming to the summit yes he is will caricum therefore look at the situation unfolding in Haiti to be expected there will be a discussion a discussion i notice when you ask when you did your opening statement you made no reference to the conflict the ongoing conflict in Venezuela given the fact that at the latest situation at the oas where you still had st lusia bahamas Haiti and the dominican republic and another caricum in and for caricum countries voting for a an oas resolution that more or less recognizes the representative of the opposition leader one guaido is caricum split on that issue or are we still maintaining quote unquote a fact uh i i don't want to use it but but just but just but just uh but just uh for camera's sake that they're united absolutely not there are issues it's not as you point out there are issues upon venezuelan upon which some member states have a different view but there's a common view on a number of issues that we adhere to very very strongly the principle of non-interference non-intervention the issue that there must be dialogue um between the opposition and the government the issue of non-politicization of aid the issue that there must be a peaceful resolution the issue of the peace of the recognition of the constitution and the rule of law all of which are principles up to this day that every single member state whether they recognize one guaido or not or they recognize um president maduro or not adhere to those principles as they think from others who are demanding that you know there be regime change or other other avenues we cannot afford any kind of this thing to escalate kind of violent confrontation you know in in in venezuela venezuela is part of the caribbean in terms of the caribbean sea washes venezuela the neighbors the closest neighbor what the two closest neighbors to bar in colombia to venezuela is is is going on trinidad to bego and their consequences already we're seeing the consequences for trinidad to bego in terms of what's happening in venezuela with the number of refugees who are entering and the negative impacts some of that may have on the on the community and it's not only as far as these two countries they're moving up they're moving up the chain of islands so the region remains very united on these principles of non-interference non-intervention dialogue we and we were the we were the voice in the wilderness they said how could we ask him for dialogue on the situation so bad but guess what there is dialogue taking place and we have the the small group of heads have reached out and have done some things and now we hear another country um is is is um um allowing for dialogue to take place so the community was spot on in terms of what the principles are here to given that um norway seems to be moving towards this situation in venezuela will that be a topic discussed at this meeting venezuela would be a topic to be discussed while i'm asking would yes venezuela have been discussed with norway at this meeting well norway has taken a position of as you have seen in the media of not making any public pronouncements and rather at this point not to comment on as to whether or not there will be a discussion with norway i have to respect norway in terms of how they're proceeding for more for more accounts that they are they are making some they are making some progress this will be the third meeting i believe that's going to be held next week um and i think we have to respect the process and respect the the silence on on this for the time being let us see what if there's anything that we could we could talk about afterwards but for the time being i would rather not comment on that final question yes thank you jenika simon again from choice tv this is uh somewhat of a follow-up um to my colleague about venezuela you mentioned that trinidad and gayana have seen the biggest impact in terms of human movement out of venezuela is there any intention at this meeting or other meetings to have a carricom approach to not the political crisis but the humanitarian crisis what do we do with venezuelan migrants making their way up the chain is it fair for individual countries to have to bear the full brunt of having these migrants enter their borders or is this something that carricom can agree on a unified approach to easing that uh humanitarian situation well the issue of the issues of of refugees is one as you know that is not unique to our region we we know what's happening in other parts of the world and it's these things that issues are governed by international conventional international law um and basically the region subscribes to those issues of course the the costs of these things can be quite prohibitive um and these two countries uh especially trinidad and tebago that's where the the greatest number thus far um so we are prized of what is going on and is there a common position i think um the the other countries are not experiencing anywhere near that the only other countries i understand that um which uh well they're not even associated with us i'm speaking ahead of my time i was about to mention aruba and quirozo but they're not part of us yet so i know they're also experiencing there is a change of information i'm sure we'll be brief on what's going on um but it's an issue i i from what i can understand read in the media and and some of other conversations that trinidad is trying its best to handle and and gianna as well gianna having such a vast border borderline um territory territory border with bennie's weather are we are we as carricom kind of leaving our sister countries of trinidad out out to drive not at all they are they are the ones that are not at all not at all we're not leaving out to drive but i don't know what what else would be expected them of of the rest of the community in that particular instance as of now um let us see what happens that i'm sure some of these issues we discussed so we know what what is happening to regularize the persons who come in and um let's see what happens with that thank you very much the members of the media thank you very much secretary general and we look forward to a very fruitful meeting and the press conference at the end where i hope to see as many of you as are here today thank you very much let me add my own words of thank you to members of the media thank you very much


Good morning. It's very hard to command attention when you're sitting in the back of a very large chair This is Bob Kavanaugh who many of you remember from last year when he was representing a somewhat different company and I'm going to have one of these nice cozy living room chats with Bob Kavanaugh sort of the way Your 10th year Okay, is your mic on yeah, okay, we have to move this up sure I think we tell the audience We have a technology problem. Just try it again where I put it Okay, it's it's bending the wrong way. He says it's a lady's mic. I take up in the room now. Yeah, okay So welcome back. Thank you The My first question is very simple and I hope we'll provoke along and Enlightening answer. Just Hollywood get it. Well, I guess we need to find it in Hollywood, huh? If you mean by Hollywood the creative community, yeah, that your clients in the word. Oh, I think In the last six months Year, but particularly last six months There's been a great interest in the creative community when I use the expression creative community Talking about novelists or screenwriters or actors actresses and directors And trying to understand, you know what this room talked about this morning and there are a set of Creative people and when I say creative in that in those venues that are experimenting with New technologies that allow them to express themselves differently. So I don't know if they meet the definition of get it yet But I could report to you That there's a big learning curve going on in the creative community well, if the I guess the definition of creating creative people getting it is understanding about Interactivity as well as just creating something that's linear and sticks there on somebody's screen. Well, yeah I've had Hundreds of meetings with people that everyone in the room, you know sees on the screen or produces things on the screen and You It's it's interesting taking a Screenwriter and showing them what is what you can do on the CD-ROM and so a creative artist We we have a library probably second to none on on the CD-ROMs that are produced and We do that just to show Our the talent, you know what can be done and so we kind of sort it in a way to show them different ways of using it and To see some of these minds Talk about the product that's out there today and off the same technology base What can be done with the product is quite enlightening? And we're beginning to see that have that conversation on online service as At 14 for an above below 14 for there is not a lot people come up with as creative ideas But at 14 for we're seeing a lot of creative ideas And on the producer side getting it means understanding that it's not broadcast It's not movies, but it's what we were talking about this morning. Yeah You know You're one of the people Esther that picked up early that interactivity has as much communications Attributes as it does information or entertainment attributes and Again in in the Hollywood creative community. There's that that beginning discovery That it's not just creating interesting content that would be on the end of the network But bringing people together that have a common interest Even though they may not know each other and so that opens up a whole new realm of Opportunity and and thought for them But do the do the producers understand that they're not going to be reaching a mass audience But perhaps it's something more like the the web we were talking about this morning Yeah Again, I I don't want to misrepresent the audience that that I think that the the Mature creative community in which I joined Fully understands that because this room doesn't fully understand it in terms of how to make money we when we when we as an example We brought the See CEOs of the three telephone companies that we are advising at Pacific Telesis and Nine X in Bell, Atlanta. They came to creative artists for a meeting not too long ago and we brought about four of the world's renowned directors and two two Most prominent actors and a vocalist To talk and we didn't know if we didn't have it. It's like your kind of conference You know just see what happens when you mix these different personalities together The creative people went right at the subject again that was at this morning. How are we going to make money? You know, we think we understand how you guys will make money, but how will we make money? and so, you know it is and It's a very important subject and one that this room needs to noodle through But this room will have a large influence probably not control but an influence over the answer to that question But it that question should not take away From what I think is more important is that we are creating a palette For a very new form of creativity. What is on CD-ROM today is Neanderthal man to where it's going to be and we have not seen the product in CD-ROM or online service That people will remember and you know, I think we're within a year or two of People breaking through with very unique product that becomes What's your man's these company? You know did to the PC the Lotus one two three and it's going to have the attributes of storytelling in it Well, if it's one two three then it's a mass market tool So it's something that lets people create their own CD-ROMs Well, I didn't mean that it's the same economic model as one two three, which is a mass market to them I was talking about having a product that that has good storyline and character development and an ability for people to communicate In an easy way and that the interfaces are fun, and I didn't see what you showed yesterday, but a number of people told me That there was an in very interesting Vietnam Product that is shown but sounds like that is on this yellow brick road to its innovation in this area Actually, I should mention for the audience we talked with David Liddell from interval research and When the product is out everybody in the audience and you too is going to get a copy of it from us And I'm good This is actually a very interesting economic difference because yeah the value of one two three or of some other products from other large companies is precisely that their standards and Million the millionth copy is more valuable than the first copy but In Hollywood diversity is valuable these things have a shorter shelf life and People want variety whereas in the other market people want standards Well, you know this phenomenon is being played out in in the television world. And by the way, can I just make I'm going in 1995. I'm like the equivalent of going to graduate school I'm not an expert on the entertainment industry. I joined but I wanted to learn it and so you know more than we do Yeah, but I don't know everything that I want to know And I've been spending which was not anticipated a lot of time in cable channels. There are a tremendous number of Proposals out there to create a cable channel now. It is in the area. You're asking me about in terms of its these are Market segments that are well identified a cable channel for single adults a cable channel for gardeners a cable channel for fashion and When you start working the economics of that it becomes very difficult you know to make sure you get the carriage show which is which is a difficult thing and Work a new form of a Advertising model that is more like a narrow cast advertising model therefore The rate per unit possibly can be higher because you have a an audience that has a predetermined interest in your subject And so that is being worked out today I think that that is relevant to this room because if we can be successful in bringing out successful from an economic standpoint of bringing out Channels for special purpose That is profitable and yet me audience segments and we have an advertising model to build behind it that same model Becomes Portable into the online environment Because we're moving more and more to where we as a customer will hold the auction as Opposed to the one who has the product holding the auction. Yeah, but this so you you move over the segmentation But the actual dynamics of it would change some yeah, well because you know One of the interesting things that I learned is on MTV at any given moment There's no more than a half a million people watching And yet it sounds like a lot to some of us. Yeah, well, it's not it's not a lot from a television viewing standpoint But it's a very profitable an important venue on television because it it's identified with a generation In terms of its brand and and its personality And I think that that MTV model is Portable into other segments so First I asked you whether Hollywood gets it now. Does this industry get it about Hollywood? Well, I don't if I'm representative of the room and I may not be You know, I went into it with stereotypes that were wrong So it's quite conceivable probable that within this room are Stereotypes that are wrong and by the way they have stereotypes about the room that are that are not accurate There are two levels of Hollywood. One is the creative community And the others are the studios the productive Production community The creative community are filled with incredibly bright capable people and and those human beings They are the generation behind them that are getting that training will be The creative people working on the venues that some of the people in this room are working on I mean, there's no question in my mind that the training of Artists is a training for people who will create wonderful interactive product that it's a Training that has been developed over centuries and you know and the rules of storytelling and fantasy the rules of captivating our mind even from an information standpoint not just an entertainment standpoint are fairly well disciplined and And those people are now looking at what this room is doing and I think they're beginning to Understand it the interesting thing and I would you know I find it interesting as I scan down who was in this room today versus 10 years ago It's it's changed dramatically. Well, I would I would offer and I'm not a futurist But over the next several years you will have a higher mix you should have a higher mix of creative people And you and I talk privately about maybe we should have one of the creative people be here That should be done because I think We'll all find it very interesting and how they think and how you know if we looked at a CD-ROM product an online service and talk to some of the best minds in the creative community It's eye-opener how they look at it and what they think about it's a different set of thoughts than we normally have And what about the production community? I don't know it that well. You have some people in the room here from Disney and Viacom who probably know it better than I do You know one of again one of my stereotypes is that when you thought of Paramount or you thought of MGM or Disney or You know 20th century you thought of film studios But as you go into those companies and understand what's in them That is only one division under the management of most of those companies is film television publishing book and magazine In music and Then almost all of them if not all them have interactivity and so they have a bubbling new Department now, I think that's significant because the stereotype is what the heck does a film? Yeah, we won't even need a a A Motion picture lot anymore will do it on computer animation, but that is a misunderstanding of the assets of those companies I'm not saying that the management of those companies will all know how to manage the assets going forward, but the Editing capability the the ability of converting a screenplay into something that is compelling Is very relevant and there they are learning more and more how to move across venue So they take a product a storyline that goes into a novel goes into Television goes into a by the way theme parks most of them have theme parks And we'll see it move into probably more into gambling environments and things like that. So those companies Are moving their their their competencies across All of the venues some of them Will accomplish that journey and probably be major major players notwithstanding the fact that there's probably more Niche markets that will get created in that process. I want to pick up on this Notion of what a creative asset is and it It's also We were talking earlier how Attention is the scarce resource, right? It's it's people's attention and when you had broadcast TV You could capture people's attention with commercials even ones that were irritating perhaps and There's a lot of equity that's being built up over 1015 or even whatever lucky strike was 50 years But as the market becomes more fragmented The the government's website according to Mike Nelson is the most popular. I'm not sure that's because It has the most compelling content, but because it's the government and people Know what it is and they have to pay attention to what it's doing. So it seems to me that the thing that attracts attention now Fundamentally is going to be stars It's in the end people identify most with a human being Michael Jackson Your list of clients They they end up being the the only scarce resource that really can't be replicated. I Believe that it's interesting We Mike Ovitz who I work with Versus is one of these people with incredibly broad and creative mind and In July when I first arrived there, we were talking about navigation again something that was kind of briefly touched upon earlier this morning and and He came at navigation totally different from at least the way I was thinking about it and many people around me were thinking about He sees navigation being more human like Either in human like attributes or actor in fact being a human being so that when we brought the three telephone companies together To form this media company We went to one of the top personalities in the entertainment industry Who who is a hacker? Who's the guy we mentioned once? Yes? Esther knows what I'm talking about. He did a film About a a marriage that didn't make it so he came back as a the housekeeper. Oh that one and So we asked a few Would would and we so we told him that we would like to show them a different form of navigation So he said I want to be the navigator you know meet me at Santa Monica Beach and With a film crew and we'll do a navigator for so we went down there in late July and he arrived in a Sweatsuit and takes over sweatsuit and he has a bathing suit on and he had a bag of things and one of them was a A like a pirates hat You know the three-pointed pirates and and he goes into the ocean and he says okay as I have start walking out roll the camera And we did one take it was this was not a heavy-duty production and he Waves to the camera and says hi I'm your navigator. You thought it was an information highway out there. It's not an information highway It's an information ocean But I won't navigate you through the information notion now. Let me just stop there I sat there saying my god he changed the metaphor right and and the notion is a seems to me to be a much better metaphor from what we're talking about than a highway and Then he and then he set up the need for navigation, which is actually a nautical term And not a highway term and then he did a routine that that was fantastic He said and I'm gonna guide you through the information highway if you want a You know a children's show and he gets into this voice of Barney and he starts talking We're gonna have the Barney, but if you want to go shopping you'll get shop at Barney's and he gets this kind of Stuffy voice of a salesman and he said now if you if you want to gain information You can go to the how do you do it? You go to the Smithsonian Institute on channel so-and-so and learn all about Babylonian Tupperware It just came out Babylonian Tupperware and he went through and he did a Julia child thing You take the little chicken legs and spread them like this And he did 15 minutes now We did minimal edits and we showed it to the three companies who are spending billions building out a Broadband network and showed them this form of navigation. We also showed them with voice Recognition that you know that is coming down the path at the right price point that you could actually guide the navigator And there was some conversation earlier this morning. So your point about stars or I Would strike the word stars but personality driven People you could identify with during different parts of the day You could have different kinds of navigators depending on the audience you as an individual You could have loaded on the server many Navigators and you could select your navigator and I guess it becomes an intelligent agent after a while but but that change of paradigm from navigation as icon driven To navigation as human driven I found startling and what turned out to be our three clients found I think very intriguing Well, maybe we can show that film next year. Okay, or show that navigator I'm going to leave The continuation of this particular piece of the conversation to Jerry, but I just want to ask you one more thing Which is what did you learn at AT&T? I? Asked you about what you learned in Hollywood. What did you learn at AT&T? Well, I was at AT&T for ten years and I Was brought in AT&T right after the divestiture to be the chief financial officer and as chief financial officer AT&T I came to your conference in 86 with Vittorio Casoni because I You know, I felt at the time that the company being a communications company needed to Better understand this burgeoning world of computers, but that's where we were at the time So I kind of have been traveling this path AT&T was traumatized in 84 externally by the breakup and because of that trauma Everything was up for grabs in terms of reordering the assets and we reorganized the company and I think made it Very healthy focused business and even though it's tried to say deploying quality principles on the way and Before I left I had an organization of 40,000 people And was part of the being responsible for AT&T strategy I'll tell you a major thing that I that I learned that it's relevant to a company of 15 as it is 40,000 and it's around this concept of empowerment The people of AT&T are incredibly capable they can compete with anyone and the question for AT&T or any large company or a 15 person company can you provide the right environment and Organize the people and give them the space to do great things and eliminate the barriers and There were situations which we did terrific, I mean a lot of it is in the success One that I'll mention here Which was probably my biggest failure at AT&T was in the last year where I broke that rule on empowerment and that a Bernie La Crude and I and Bernie and Clina Perkins had this idea that we're entering a period where a Handwriting environment could get created and we put to assemble the technology pieces and created a company called EO the rule that I broke is that I In that CEO of the multimedia business of AT&T. I'm a figurative leader And I became an advocate on that particular project And so we obviously got the funding for the project because I wanted to do it And then I went you know, I had a ton of other things to do So I had others carry it out, but the problem was it was always seen as my project Because I started it and it put a spin on the ball in terms of logical thinking within AT&T and how to deal You know with the challenges that that company faced and a number of decisions were made in hindsight I see because they were trying to do what they thought I wanted them to do and that when you empower an Organization you should let them know what the objectives are You know what the boundary conditions are and let them go and do it and I didn't do that I went way in started the thing it became known as mine and therefore It you know it did not succeed because I broke that important rule So AT&T has taught me you know a lot of lessons and one of them is you know setting up your organization To succeed and allowing great people to do good things It is the rule of leadership and once you break that and try to meddle down in there Or you can get yourself in trouble and so I've I learned by my successes and my failures Well, did you did you pick the wrong project or did you make it fail? No, no, I think it was a good project and But we Decisions were made again in hindsight that that moved it in in the direction that it landed up in Which I think was more reflective what people thought I would want It's conceivable to me that the project should have been killed a lot earlier But it's not what Bob would want and the only point I'm making is you know that in in a leadership role We got to be those of you who run your companies or run departments or divisions or subsidiaries You need to be very careful and when you put your point of view forward Because if you put it forward too far the organization will use that as a As a point in which They'll hear it as a mandate and it's not necessary that it's going to be successful Thanks, sounds like somebody asking somebody to kill a priest Okay, Jerry your turn. Thank you very much This is the beginning of our panel on virtual places and people and I'm really excited because the people we have on this panel are diverse each of them Fascinating and I think the interactions will be really spectacular my job right now is to briefly Introduce you to Sherry Turkle whom you may know as the author of the second self and Who teaches at MIT and is currently working on another book? She has been Exploring this idea of online spaces and personalities first hand She's been in the trenches doing stuff and interacting and I think you'll find what she has to tell you Really exciting and startling and remarkable Sherry if you'll Come up and tell us what you'd like. Well, I'm gonna try to be exciting What was the second? Remarkable was third Well, I feel safest in being remarkable by beginning by quoting not from myself, but from a poet Long before there were computers internets or virtual communities Walt Whitman wrote There was a child went forth every day and the first object he looked upon That object he became These few lines by a poet not a social scientist are the touchstone for my work They speak to the importance of a psychological and a clinical perspective To the development of the computer culture We make our objects and in turn our objects make us What are we becoming? When the objects we look upon often for many of us the first objects we look upon every day our virtual objects For the past several years as Jerry said I've been involved in an ethnographic and clinical study of people and their virtual cells This morning. I'm going to try to begin our discussion of virtual people in places by talking about some ways in which virtual Experiences can impact on personal identity and indeed how it can challenge The very thing the very construct that we've traditionally called identity This can happen in many different types of virtual communities. It can happen on America online It could even happen in email in order to make my points very quickly and very dramatically. I'm going to pick a quick and dramatic example Which takes some of the issues really to the highest power So I'm going to be talking about people who are engaged in muds or multi-user dungeons We're actually they're participating in virtual communities with other people on a regular basis Muds for those of you who don't know or multi-user dungeons multi-user domains You join one very simply through a telnet command that links your computer to a computer that holds the mud program It's not difficult to make this connection. It just takes internet access You create a character several characters you specify their genders and other physical and psychological attributes Then as that character you move through virtual spaces in which you meet and are able to communicate in both word and action With other characters in other words with other characters who were there in the place of the people behind them In some muds players are invited to help build the virtual world itself to make places and objects in that space and Specify how they look and how they work So the first mud player I ever met was an 11 year old who built a room. She called the condo It's beautifully furnished. She has created magical jewelry and makeup for her dressing table when she visits the condo She invites her friends. She chats. She orders a virtual pizza and she flirts. In other words, she's 13 years old Other players have more varied social lives They create characters who have casual and romantic sex whole jobs attend rituals and celebrations Fall in love get married Now to say the least such goings-on are gripping This is more real than my real life says one character who turns out to be a man playing a woman pretending to be a man Mud players are mud authors. They're creating as well as consuming the content of their media So this makes muds a new genre of artistic endeavor with many things in common with performance art street theater Improvisational theater, Comedia de Lorte and script writing But muds are something else as well something closer to my area of expertise Because as players participate in muds, they're becoming authors not only of the text, but of themselves Not only of the text, but of themselves They're constructing themselves through virtual social interaction So one player says you are the character and you're not the character both at the same time and another ads You are who you pretend to be in virtual communities One's body is represented by textual description so the obese can be slender the beautiful can be plain The nerdy can be elegant and sophisticated Many of you have seen and joked about the New Yorker Cartoon in which one dog says to another on the internet. Nobody knows you're a dog The anonymity that's being referred to there that's made possible in virtual communities Provides ample room for individuals to express multiple and often unexplored aspects of the self There's unrivaled opportunity to play with one's identity and to try out new ones Indeed as I've suggested muds make possible the construction of an identity that is so fluid and multiple that it strains the very limits of the notion Identity after all literally means one and when we live through electronic self representations We have unlimited possibilities to be many In some ways the issue of virtual selves provoke a new discourse about identity and authenticity Which run in parallel with some of those that are posed by psychoactive medication? If a patient on Prozac tells his therapist that he feels more like himself With the drug than without it. What does this do to our standard notions of a real self? Where does real life end and a game begin as a parallel question? Is the real self always the quote naturally occurring one the one without the drug the one without the extension of self in the virtual community is the real self always the one in the physical world as More and more of real business real business defined as money-making business. Let's say Gets done in cyberspace couldn't be the real self be the self that functions in that realm In traditional theater and in role-playing games that take place in physical space One steps in and out of character Muds in contrast virtual communities in contrast offer a parallel life Dedicated muds players for example are often people who work almost all day with computers at their regular jobs the job the The communications program the muds are all on different windows of their computer screen all at the same time And as people play on muds they periodically put their characters to sleep But remain logged on to the game while they pursue these other activities from time to time They return to the game space and in this way they break up their day and the game space and They experience their lives as a cycling through I like this term I use it a lot as a cycling through the real world The RL as it's known in mud parlance and a series of virtual ones Some mutters go so far as to challenge the idea of giving any priority to the RL After all says one player why grant such superior status to the self that has the body When the selves that don't have bodies are able to have different kinds of experiences This kind of cycling through interaction with muds is made possible by the existence of windows Which are a way of course of working with the computer that makes it possible for the machine to place you in several contexts at the same time Your identity on the computer you could think of as the sum of your distributed presence Let me tell a quick case Doug is a Dartmouth college junior majoring in business for whom a mud represents one window and real life or RL represents another Doug plays four characters distributed across three different mugs One is a seductive woman one is a macho cowboy type who self-description stresses that he's a Marl borough's Marl borough's rolled in the t-shirts leave kind of guy That's his character description Then there's a rabbit of unspecified gender who wanders its muds introducing people to each other a character. He calls carrot Doug says carrot is so low-key that people let it be around while they're having private conversations So I think of carrot as my passive voyeuristic character Actually Doug has a fourth and final character Which is one that he only plays on furry mugs now These are mugs that are known as places of sexual experimentation where all the characters are furry animals And he says to me I'd rather not even talk about that character because it's anonymity there is very important to me He says let's just say that on furry mugs. I feel like a sexual tourist Doug talks about playing his characters in windows And he says that using windows has enhanced his ability to turn pieces of his mind on and off He says I split my mind. I'm getting better at it I can see myself as being two or three or more and I just turn on one part of my mind And then another when I go from window to window RL says Doug is just one more window and he adds It's not usually my best one RL is just one more window and it's not usually my best one The development of the windows metaphor for computer Interfaces was a technical motivation which is motivated by the desire to get people working more efficiently by cycling through different applications But in practice and social practice windows have become a powerful metaphor for people thinking about the self as a multiple and distributed system The self is no longer simply playing different roles in different settings Something that people experience when for example you wake up as a lover you make breakfast as a mother and you drive to work as a lawyer The life practice of windows is of a distributed self that exists in many worlds and plays many roles All at the same time Muds extends the metaphor now RL itself as Doug says can be just one more window But mutters don't just become who they play they play who they are or what they want to be Players sometimes talk about their real selves as a composite of their characters And they sometimes talk about their mud characters as a means of working on their RL lives For some people muds provide what the psychoanalyst Eric Erickson would have called a psychosocial moratorium This notion of the moratorium Was a central element in how Eric Erickson thought about identity development particularly in adolescence and although the term moratorium Means literally a time out what Erickson had in mind was not withdrawal on the contrary The adolescent moratorium is a time of intense Interaction with people and ideas. It's a positive active phase of life It's a time of passionate friendships and experimentation the moratorium is not on significant experiences But on their consequences now, what does this sound like this sounds like life on the internet? This sounds like life on the screen It's a time of passionate friendships passionate experimentation But without consequences. It's a time during which one's actions in adolescence for example in his example are not counted So free from consequence experimentation becomes the norm rather than a brave departure Consequence free experimentation Facilitates the development of a core self a personal sense of what gives life meaning that Erickson called identity Now Erickson developed these ideas about the importance of a moratorium during the 1950s and early 1960s At that time the notion corresponded to a common understanding of what the quote college years were about Today 30 years later the idea of the college years as a consequence free time out Really seem of another era College is pre-professional and AIDS has made consequence free sexual experimentation impossibility The years associated with adolescence no longer seem a time out But if our culture no longer if our RL no longer offers an adolescent moratorium Virtual communities do it is part of what makes them seem so attractive Erickson's ideas about stages did not suggest rigid sequences His stages describe what people need to achieve before they can easily move ahead to another task For example Erickson pointed out that successful intimacy in young adulthood is difficult If you don't come to it with a sense of who you are Which is of course the challenge of the stage before the stage of adolescent identity building in real life However, people frequently move on with serious deficits with Incompletely resolved stages. They simply do the best they can They use whatever materials they have at hand to get as much as they can of what they have missed Muds life on the internet are dramatic examples offer dramatic examples of how Technology is coming to play a role in these everyday dramas of self-reparation time in cyberspace reworks the notion of a vacation and it reworks the notion of a moratorium Because they may now exist in an always available window From my point of view for thinking about identity in a culture of simulation the citizens of muds are our pioneers I'd like to end with a personal story About my life on a mud One day I came across a reference to a character called dr. Sherry This was a cyber psychotherapist I'm a psychotherapist who has an office in the rambling house that constitutes this particular muds virtual geography There I'm told dr. Sherry administers questionnaires and interviews people About their experiences on muds in the psychology of mudding Now I have every reason to believe that the name dr. Sherry Refers to my 15-year career as a student of the psychology of technology But I didn't create dr. Sherry dr. Sherry is me, but she's not Mine dr. Sherry is a character created by another player On the mud my character has another name and I don't give out questionnaires and conduct interviews my Methodology for doing my work as I sort of insist that I don't report on anyone unless I have them in a very very traditional RL face-to-face clinical setting so I'm not dr. Sherry She's a character name that somebody else created in order to quickly communicate and interest in this kind of stuff and a certain set of Questions about technology and the self so I experience dr. Sherry as a piece of my history Spinning out of control. I try to quiet my mind. I tell myself that One's books one's public and intellectual persona are pieces of oneself in the world for other people to use as they please Surely this virtual appropriation is kind of the highest form of flattery But my disquiet continues because dr. Sherry after all isn't in an animate book or an object in the world she's a person or He's a person or at least it's a person behind a character who's meeting with others in the world in the mud world at least I mean I get myself all confused and I talk my disquiet over with a friend who raises the Conversation stopping question. Well, would you prefer if dr. Sherry were a bot? Now this is an intelligent computer program an agent an artificial intelligence agent that roams this mud What I prefer if it was a bot an artificial intelligence that was trained to interview people about life on the mud This had not occurred to me, but in a flash. I realize that this too is possible It's even likely to be the case because many bots or puppets roamed this mud Characters played by people are often mistaken for these little artificial intelligences In fact Doug the college junior who I just quoted to you has this character carrot Who's often mistaken for a robot because the character is so passive And I myself have made this mistake with a bot called Julia when she offered me directions or remembered my name I was kind of flattered into thinking that this had was a real person and had an embarrassing moment or two until I figured out that It was a robot So I'm confronted with a double that could be a person or a program It's kind of new take on Philip Roth's problem in operation Shiloh The dr. Sherry story dramatizes how computational Experiences in fact dr. Sherry wasn't a robot or a person. It was a group of three people who together Created a character so even on muds you can have multiple personalities in one character itself The dr. Sherry story I tell and I share with you because for me it dramatizes yet another way in which computational Experiences can serve as evocative experiences for thinking about human identity in a culture of simulation and about a whole new World of relationships that we're going to have with machines artificial intelligences and virtual others People decide that they want to interact with others in a multi-user computer environment They think they'll have new access to people and information and there's little question that they do But then they find themselves in a mud they find themselves assuming multiple persona on computer networks They're swept up in experiences which challenge their ideas about a unitary self They meet their double and it's a cyborg One way of summing all of this up is to say that experiences on the internet bring post modernism down to earth And as I've said for thinking about identity in a culture of simulation the citizens of muds are pioneers Thank you very much. I'd like to ask our other three panelists to please come up and join us up here That was a wonderful introduction to the nature of identity and character out there in this strange space


Welcome to Toffy TV. It is the Everton News Daily. Carlo Ancelotti has held his press conference ahead of tomorrow's game against Crystal Palace. Don't forget 12.30. Kick off. On the injury front and the suspension front, he did say he would obviously with Fabri and Del's suspension. He said he had three midfielders, Snidl, Sigarton and Tom Davis. Two of them will play and one will be on the bench. So, it probably could be Morgan Snidl and I imagine he will start in place of Fabri and Delth with Tom Davis coming back onto the bench. On Fabri and Delth, he said the player has been brilliant and has got all the qualities that he needs around the club since he came in. Lot of fans have not quite sure of Fabri and Delth. His performance haven't been amazing. Obviously, he's been hit by injuries this season as well, but full backing from the manager who would prefer to have him in the starting line-up for tomorrow. On the injury front, he said Andre Gomez, obviously he said last time out would be back for the Arsenal game. He said that they are trying to arrange a friendly game which would be a behind closed doors, a fringe fire. I imagine for him to get some game practice ahead of that game against Arsenal in a couple of weeks time, so that's really, really good news. On Gabam, he said he's had the operation. The operation was to remove some scar tissue and he said they're going to take it step by step, bit by bit. Sounds like lyrics from a song now. But he hoped to get them back on the field before the end of the season. Hopefully with this operation, and I know a lot of fans are really disappointed because it's gone on longer, but hopefully fingers crossed, this will clear it up and there will be no issues in the future. Maybe he left the scar tissue and it might have hindered a full recovery, so I'm just trying to take the positives out of that, but anyway, hopefully he'll be back before the end of the season, which is really, really positive. Obviously after this game it is the winter break and Carlo Ancelos, he said he's going to give the players five days off and then start preparing for the game against Arsenal, the trip to Arsenal. So I imagine the whole next week they'll have off after probably maybe some recovery sessions, Sunday and Monday maybe. So good opportunity to get the players some rest.  He said after a very hectic Christmas period in January it is good to have, good to get the players refreshed. Although he's got quite a fit squad at the moment. Obviously only really Gabbaman and Andre Gomez out, the likes of Wobby Bach, Sigarton Bach and Ruchalison Bach now. So all positive and it'll just be about rest and recuperation after this game against Crystal Palace, which is really, really good. Yeah, that's all you have to say really on the transfer front in terms of the window. He said that he'd rather it was a smaller window because it meant he would know when the transfer window closed before the season. He would know who he was dealing with. He said it's not good to be dealing with players who want to get away. Obviously it's been changed back to what it was previously and will go to the first of September. But that's what they voted for. But he's clearly not a fan and would rather it would be the other way. So that's the way it is. I'd rather it closed before the season starts, but I suppose in that couple of weeks, if you do get injuries or you do want players who want to leave the club, there's still a chance to move them out. But it still leaves that lingering issue of players maybe leaving the club when you don't want them to. The club has just got to shut that down, I suppose. Crystal Palace, they've got no shentos on tomorrow, obviously because he's never been playing. So he can't play for Crystal Palace, even though he has got an injury, I think. James McCarty will be back playing for them. It's really hard to spoke about him today saying how he's been getting better and better for them. It'd be his first time back, I think, won't it, at Gooderson Park? That would be interesting. Other news, there isn't that much other news about, don't forget, the Everton women's team play at Gooderson Park on Sunday against Liverpool in the Maisleyside Derby. If you want to get down there, I think a lot of the areas of the ground have now sold out, but I think they've just released tickets for the main stand. So great opportunity if you've got kids and they've never been to Gooderson Park before. You've never really been able to get them to Gooderson Park because of, if you've got a season ticket and stuff, great chance for you to get down to Gooderson Park for that. So if you can get down, that'd be fantastic. Support the Everton women's side against Liverpool. Calhontiolati was also asked about Liverpool winning the Derby, winning the league at Gooderson, and he said Liverpool will win the league. But you know what, there's plenty of other places to win it, so let's not complicate things, basically. And he's absolutely right. You know, win it before, win it after, just don't win it at Gooderson Park. It'll save a lot of headaches for not only the Blues, but also the tickets office and the stewards. So there you go. This has been the Everton news daily. Thanks for watching. Make sure to check out all our other videos, including the match preview, the start and 11 show and everything else we've got out at the moment. Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already. 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