Yes, welcome back to why in the morning I go by the name of by Moses or it's very money we social media platform Special thanks to join which actually for that amazing informative interview, but right about now We are about to talk about a topic that is associated so much with the elite and guys in suits But the gentleman in studio here to demystify this and tell us more about the evolution in this age of Information we have a word Lenin and weekly for Forex traders Karim Bounisana. Thank you so much. All right The drill is always look at camera for Introduce yourself. I can't say any part of your credentials out. This is that time to shine Okay, my name is Lenin and I'm a forex trader apart from that I'm also a trainer and a mentor too many in this field of forex trading Karim Bounisana when you were in the morning, I said he's done a new ship Tuesday for that matter pleasure Thank you so much. My name is say weekly for a month. I'm also a forex trader My colleagues usually refer to me as a sniper because I'm a sniping the market. You're a sniper in the market Also a trainer and a coach as well. All right All right, you're a beast when it comes to All right, anyway, I'd like to take you guys back back to When you were growing up. Yes, you used to watch business news. Maybe yes I do. I used to watch a lot of business news, but it didn't make sense to me. It didn't make sense to you What about you even that just to echo the same sentiments In fact, when it reached that part for business news I just used to switch to a movie or something else because you never got in there It was not my thing The gains exactly exactly Yes, but then at what point did you maybe you can start with you? Did you fall in love with this with this particular trade? I think what what really made me to really fall in love with this particular trade is Reading about it is when you're just over my city You realize that there is there is a lot of money in this field and you're wondering which is this money And so again in my few travels I used to travel and come back With few dollars and so in the process of going to change a friend tells me no no no you just go into town Look for bureau that is offering you more. So I looked at it. I said, okay, so what is it all about? And I was wondering, okay, why is this you're offering more than what exactly and so I got much interested and I wanted to get to understand what is it all about this business? And so from there now I grew interest to really dig to get to know more about it All right. Yes. What you understood in a nutshell that currency is also a commodity. Yes, and we bought and so it yes That is what I understood. All right. When did you fall in love with this? Okay, good All I can say is that first of all I was looking for a skill set something that I Can learn and At the same time when lining doing it it brings money in my pocket So I was in that verge of looking for any business idea that I can actually do and I landed in Forex Just going through YouTube videos going through Internet All you typed was how to make money how to make money online by the way I just typed how to make money online and so many things came Forex thing stood out for me So I went deep to research them about Forex and actually so that this thing once I get the correct skills Then it's something that I can do. All right. Yes Perspective just paint a picture for the guys. There's we have Forex trading and we have stock trading here. All right, so Stop trading accounts for what amount of money in a day maybe Stock trading again, it depends with the now the fact that are you studying stocks? It is something that to me I normally refer to it as a long term So it is something that it is considered a long term to an extent whereby per day It might not move much, but when it comes to Forex trading, I'm talking about 6.1 trillion US dollars 6.1 trillion US dollars per day and to me that really moved me and I wanted to be in this market Yes, I get my share per day and what is the difference between stock trading and Forex trading? Maybe so people can get to understand because most of the times when we talk about these things here We talk about the budget supplementary budget people all they hear is Greek and they need somebody to break this down for them What is the difference in layman's language? Okay in layman's language all I can say that When you're talking about stock market, basically, we're just talking about the shares the shares the shares company needs to be up exactly and Issue an IPO exactly people buy shares Existing yes There's so many companies that list where people can buy shares Yes, and then what is Forex trading Forex trading basically just buying and selling of foreign currencies buying and selling of currency Yes, so this is simpler than stock trading if you me given that I've engaged in Forex market It's it's simpler. It's simple. It's simpler This is just a case where you get your money buy currency and wait for it to hit the roof and then sell it Okay, what normally happens you first of all analyze the mark analyze the market You get money either way whether through selling or by not one direction Yes, depending on how the market looks all right, so sometimes buying also hands you money Yes Wow, there's more into this. So for how are you guys so good at this? How did you get to know all this information? I think to get to know all this information We had to learn the skill set and so just like any other skill set someone would really want to be an expert in it You need to learn about it. And so we had to Enroll in an academy that we were able to learn because again having an interest alone is not enough But now give digging deeper to have the information about what is it that you want to know about and again? It's not just but any other academy you again looking at an institution that really has the gurus in this field And so these are the guys who are able to teach you to tutor you and to take you through the process And you are able to learn at the end of it all now you you you hear him calling himself a sniper So people have nicknames in this you you hear me being called a master trader It is because we hack this market because we have learned the skill set. You've learned the skills All right. So I'm really really interested in the academy. Yes. So how does this academy work? And how can people get to sign up to this academy? Okay, good. Uh, first of all the academy is an online platform And uh It's easily accessible So even at the comfort of your own house, you can be getting this skill set So it doesn't mean whether you are busy or what you're here Bandos or you need. Yes, exactly internet access and a smartphone and a smartphone. That's all you need even a laptop Not even real. I'm a laptop. Yes. All you need is a smartphone. Exactly. And I think 90 percent of Kenyans have one Perfect. Yeah Anybody can do this. Yes. This is a starting point. Yes, you can enroll into the academy learn about these things. Yes and trade All right. So once I've learned how to trade At least I have 20 percent of the knowledge because I bet 80 percent of it in lent is lent in the field. Yeah So what is the process? How do I start being a trader? Now after you have learned as as you have already basically said now again You need now to open a trading account with a registered and the government recognized broker And currently we have uh to uh registered Authorized brokers by the government regulated by CMA So we always say the moment now you open your account now It is from that trading account now you put in your capital So it is from that capital now you are able now to go into the market and start trading. All right. Yes So when you You sign up to the site. Yes. You have an account. Yes under Recognized broker invest your capital and then you start trading. Yes. All right. So, uh How was your first day of trading like let's just wow My first day of trading Again, it was one exciting again fearful because you are entering into something that you're saying. Yes. I have learned Basically, it's it's like driving when you have gone to driving school Now this is your first day driving and Here there is a trailer hooting at you. You're wondering should I stop? You have to tumble. She died in the kent And I remember my my my first gains was 850 shillings And and I was so happy because I couldn't believe my phone can give me money And as our teachers or our tutors used to tell us your first money withdraw it and enjoy it and and I was I couldn't So your first earning will draw it Enjoy it. It will give me motivation. Yes. You're looking at it and you are asking yourself. Is it real? Is my phone really can give me money and Yeah, and to me. So this is the advice you give to all the people you train. Yes The first money enjoy it so that you can understand how real this thing is exactly All right. So, uh, I hear it's as easy as getting it through impersonatis. Yes. Yes. Yes your mobile money Okay, uh, like uh, just uh toward on what my colleague has said Uh, we usually have uh forex brokers this government recognized institutions who are giving us the platform to trade with like The ones who are authorized by the government kohenya They went and took advantage of the mps platform and they have integrated it into their system so actually The profits that you've made from your trading platform. You can actually withdraw from mps And uh, you the money Across the world exactly, but it's only in kohenya where we've tried to incorporate it with the mobile money exactly progressive Exactly. This is a very progressive White by four underscore channel on instagram and white by four on facebook Are you interested in trading are you interested in forex trading or you have nothing to do at home? But you have some little capital. This is that uh segment to watch. All right, so, uh So after you traded the first time you traded the first time You earned some money in the process You spent it. You knew this thing was real What have you learned in the process of trading over time? Just a few lessons you've learned. Okay, good A few lessons that I've learned from this field. It's a field which needs a patience because When you look at also some of the mentors that we're looking up to They from their stories that they've been sharing It's a field also. You need to have a lot of discipline It's a field also. You need to in as much as there is a lot of money inside it You should not let grid guide you Guide you read out grid out exactly grid out number one. So, um To me basically what i'm learning from this field Is patience it has really taught me a lot of patience patience is very important patience I'm paid to wait And that's the slogan which you usually use especially when you are trading You have to wait. We are paid to wait I like all right Patience is a is a virtue in this patient of us read is out of the building exactly. All right. What about you? I think one of the key things I have learned over time is you need to have a long term goals when it comes to forex trading Because if you look at it as You you you have lost the meaning of forex trading because again I look at forex trading as something you need to plan And the key other important thing is you need to have goals because I'll tell you my brother for sure Forex has money And if you don't have goals of what you're going to do with that money at the end of it all you will run Nuts because a day comes you you you hit a meter and you're like is this my money? And so if you don't have goals and the vision for what you're going to do about it, then you will lose it You lost it. All right. Yes. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Yes That is That is how life is set up Is it the same in this sometimes you win sometimes exactly exactly just the same I usually refer to the concept of Being in a school, right? There are those moments when you used to get score some things wrong Didn't uh, did that mean that you're now a danda student or what? No, no, no Exactly. Even the best one used to get a hundred. Sometimes sometimes 90 exactly It means any time that you lose there. It's more of a checkpoint Maybe there's something that I didn't do correct. So you just go back and Exactly exactly exactly need to be out there. All right. So sometimes you win sometimes you lose Is a mentality you should go with into this business. Yes. Yes. All right Yeah, I'd like to take you back to 9 11 if you can remember. Mm-hmm. So nobody really anticipated this. Yeah. Yes Uh, we just saw the tower coming down the next day the dollar plummeted. Yes, really badly. Yeah. Yes All right at this at these risks you're willing to take at this day and age that we live terrorism is a is a reality Uh, America is a constant Target for terrorists The dollar is the most popular Yes, uh currency that you guys use in trading. Is this a risk you guys are well entity I think it is it is it is a risk you're willing to take but again It works both ways Advantage and disadvantage Because we are looking at a situation whereby if the dollar plummets then basically The I normally say the the bearish or the bullish will have it So in the business of forex trading It's both ways you profit both ways When it goes down, you're still profiting when it goes up. You're still also in profit The only thing now it depends now. Which pair are you buying it against or are you selling it against? So in in all the in in all the scenarios You will find out that if the the american market the dollar is is coming down Then maybe in the europe or in the asian market. They're celebrating. So again It's a gain win situation for where you put your money. Yes, it's where you put your money So because these are things you understand with time Yes, you understand with time and then the key thing that's what I always tell people don't engage in forex trading If you don't have the the knowledge about it because the knowledge about it will help you All right, you will help you understand the various Dynamism from various markets. And so like we are talking about The the great britain pound right now. It's it's dipping. It's it's coming down But to some of us the more it dips the more we are gaining because we know how now to do to pair it with which currency For us to gain. Wow. All right. The assumption is always that trading is for for the elites Guys in suits like Is it is it is it's the truth? Does it have truth value? They said no actually by the way Sometimes back People had that notion. They thought that this a platform that has been reserved for elite Even me I used to think like that before Only to realize later that this a platform if you are only coachable because you can realize in From the academy that we had talked earlier. We have got People from all walks of life. We have good guys We even never went to school or even if they went to school Their school dropouts even I personally I didn't complete my college and college dropout But we see a new west Yes Yes, so, uh, it doesn't matter. We normally say whether you are out of jail or you are from We direction As long as you are coachable as long as you have basic mathematical Exactly exactly exactly. That's all that you need as long as you can add one plus one you can trade exactly Anybody can trade anybody country. Do you have any success stories of people? Who are presumed or assumed to be the less elite in the society who you have trained and trading right now as we speak? Yes, as we speak right now, I have I have three guys we have worked with and these guys were the What the slogan Kenyans we use called my concordy And so and They are never even of my lineage or relatives are just the guys I engaged in a match as I was coming to Tread house in town And so I got involved with this guy just talking to him and told him guy There is something I can share with you And if you're interested when you are done, you can see me at this place and and sure enough the guy came And in the process of him coming I was able to share him The idea of how to do forex and he was so excited about it He enrolled in the academy and I gave him a very a very easy time out I was just telling him you do whatever you do when there is off peak hours. That is around 11 a.m You come over I'll work with you And in the process the guy has the guy was able to do that And two months down the line the guy is able to earn 2000 a day And it is all of that it's to me. I celebrate it as a sexual charity because right now He's no longer a concordy. He's he's now A full time forex trader Getting more than 50 dollars a day and to me That is a success right that is to me is an achievement before we talk about the reason you do that. Yes. All right, so uh If you have some people earning up to 50 dollars a day And some people earning up to 100 dollars others up to 500 dollars. What is the difference? Why is somebody adding 500 and another one adding 50? What is the difference experience? Of course number one is experience how long you've been in the academy and then number two is the amount of capital that you have invested Yes, the amount of capital is very important. You can't win Less than what you gave it exactly exactly. Why do you do this because people will assume? My secret this is my secret to reach. Yes. I don't want to share it with so many people Yes, uh, because I don't know it will affect my business. Why do you share your secret? That you figured and that is making you money people Don't tell to share the secret that is actually one of the key things I've always Desired is service to humanity service to humanity basically means I'm not in this for my gain But again, there is a there is there is a need we are addressing in society And especially we as the young people we are looking at a situation whereby Almost after every maybe a year or two years to the election There are a lot of schemes that comes to town And these schemes are just coming to town to single Kenyans in the name of forex trading And so we are out here to basically inform And enlighten people and tell them hey this Lenin who will come and pick money from you to trade for you He has just learned this skill that you can also learn it's a simple skill And so we are out here to impact and and change this perception and notion Because it is just like two months ago whereby people were demonstrating that they have been signaled by various schemes in town And those schemes the bottom line is that forex trading it's not they're not forex trading So we are out here in as much as people that you can do it yourself. You can do it yourself I'm doing it. I am coming from a different career Field, but I'm in forex trading and I'm making it. You probably even do it full time. Yes Exactly. Actually right now. I'm doing it full time. And so I'm telling people you can do it Those mamas who have especially mamas they have a lot of money they put into these schemes And we're telling them here is a skill set that they're the biggest target to be the biggest target And our our main aim is let's reach out to them and tell them hey listen If and I normally tell them and I don't like I'll give me your 100k You expect me to give you 20 000 in the after the end of the month Me I'll give you a week. I'll give you 200 and so Now how rich have you made me to be rich? You have given me your hundred thousand. I said with it For a span of a week. I have already recovered your money and I mean profit So I've remained with three weeks to continue trading with your money So at the end of the day I'll get almost around a million out of your hundred But I'll give you 20 you have made me rich So I'm I'm saying I do not want that money I want you also to learn that skill so that be empowered be empowered. So that's why we are out here to tell people We are just basically to educate empower and enrich Educate empower and enrich yes, right all this money that is under I'm guessing it's uh, it's not my money that exists in Kenya per se It's money that comes from abroad as you earn it as it comes into your pocket Yes, so this thing has the potential of growing the GDP of this country 100% and I always tell people look at Nigeria and South Africa for extending is an industry In Kenya, we are not an industry because we have a lot of informal for extending But now because the government is coming in and now Regulizing things and making sure that things are in place Then I tell you give us two years three years. It will be a big industry because look at South Africa It's it's an industry that is affecting the GDP of that country. Look at Nigeria It's it's an industry that is affecting the GDP of that country because now things are now being streamlined and put in place So it's the same thing that is again. It's happening in Kenya. When you talk about informal forex trading Are you talking about the forex bureaus that I see in town? No, no, no those ones are formal Informal forex trading is now what I'm telling you. I pick your money. I start trading with it I'm not registered to trade with your money because the government only allows a broker who is registered To trade with your money, but not me as an individual Traders are a fraud are a fraud and we should share of them wish and that is that is our message We should share away from them. There are fraud They're a fraud land to trade by yourself land and get on a platform and start trading and start making some money Yes Wonderful white five four channel on twitter white five four underscore channel on instagram and white five phone facebook Is a way to interact with us hashtag is white in the morning Hashtag is entrepreneurship tuesday and please send your questions and tell us what you think about this particular topic So question that is coming in is what is the difference between Forex trading or trading and gambling The this person is claiming there's a very thin line between trading and gambling. So maybe you can demystify this. Okay, maybe if I can Okay answer that When you are in forex trading minus kills you're gambling Are you getting? When you are in forex trading with appropriate skills Boss you're just trading you're trading this business You're in business if it was gambling then look at the major participants in the forex market That the financial institutions, right? Do you think? A whole equity bank for example, we'll just gamble With billions of shillings no never because at the financial institutions We will find out there are those people who have been trained Who have got this skill set on how to participate in this market who are trading the bank money So When you want to call it gambling participate in it without the skill set That it will be gambling for sure for you guarantee exactly exactly exactly But when you have a skill skill skill set, yes, it is trading. It's just business. It's business. All right.  So in every given industry We will have The thin line between gambling with that industry And maybe two sides of the coin. So it is you at the end of the day. It's your choice Like he has said you need a skill set for you to really be part of it And I always tell people every skill set is a science and I have never seen a place whereby I learn to gamble No, because it's you can never learn to gamble. You can never learn to gamble by chance Exactly by chance, but but foreign study you will learn. Yes Wow, you had it straight from awesome. Keep the questions coming. I'm enjoying the questions. All right, so, uh What is what is the future for you guys in terms of this trading thing? And uh, the the fact that you want to bring other people's other people from the informal sector the formal sector to join you In this trading thing, uh, what what is the vision for you? Maybe we can start with you Okay, good. Um The vision that uh I'm looking forward to have Given that uh, just uh, when my colleague had mentioned that when you look at the Kenyan setup the setup that currently we have Uh, more or less this market has been dominated by the informal type of trading But for us, we are looking forward Actually, if we can be having like a more or less Forex trading school But that's some of the things that we've been discussing when we're dealing with this forex At least we can help us as the pioneers as the pioneers so that we can help as many individuals Who would like to participate in this industry? Yet, they don't know where they can get their proper skills from are you getting it? Yes So that's actually what we're looking for because you'll find just as I mentioned The financial institutions have bigger players in this field, but they're not willing to disseminate that information Because that's their own way of making money. Are you getting it yet in as much as there are so many people Outside here who like to participate in this market And they don't know how how to participate exactly. This is something you can do from home This is something you can do Exactly after you're done with your nine to five exactly and this is something that can contribute to the gdp. Yes In a very heavy way. Yes. Wow. What is your vision? I think my vision again is to When all is said and done is to be part and part of the pioneers who have really helped the Forex industry to grow Because that is my cry and I'm looking at it and I'm telling people this is an industry That we want to be counted The second thing I'm looking forward to is I don't want after every other five years We have people demonstrating they have lost money in their schemes So one of the key thing is to go out to reach as to many people as possible to enlighten them that They need not to be part of the schemes and again A key thing in my vision is for kenyans to go back to the process We are guys who love results first We don't appreciate the process I would want to be a graduate without going to class. I would want to be A rich person without going through the process. You'd like to go to poly event without Compailing and willing. Exactly. And so those are some of the things we are looking at and we are telling people Hey, it is time we adapt the process and and to me. This is again is a call to the young people Let's let's let's let's let's go through the process It might be painful. It might be hard Sweaty it pays it pays in the long run. In the long run. It pays and it pays good. All right I'm guessing you have a facebook page a facebook page. Yes, uh instagram instagram. Yes Snapchat snapchat maybe not But I'm guessing you share a lot of information about trading and business on your social media handles Yes, so maybe you can share your social media handles and tell them how they can get to interact with you in case they need this training I think with my social media is uh at at facebook is look them straight into that is Facebook is Yes And I will be able to interact with you That much that much. All right. Okay. Um, I'm just weekly survey Instagram weekly survey Twitter weekly survey Thank you very much. Yes, how can they get to interact with you in case they need the training and in case they can't access these sites that we've talked about We can share our mobile numbers. Yes. Your camera is number four mine is a zero seven two zero seven six Five eight nine seven. All right. What about you zero seven one one eight seven three Eight seven zero. All right, so you can definitely call me do the business hours You're a family Thank you very much for coming and thank you very much for sharing this information Thank you so much because we have a lot of people who complain that they don't have jobs people want to get jobs here But we can only employ Just a few just a few so thank you very much for what you're doing and keep going. Thank you. Thank you very much Thank you for hosting us again. 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A former Commonwealth Secretary-General, Emeka Anyakosas, the 1999 constitution as amended lacks the legitimacy of Nigerians. Anyakos spoke during a national constitutional dialogue, organized by a group of non-political leaders called the Patriots, in honor of Ben Labwese, the pioneer secretary-general of the Hades and Debo. The colloquium was themed, lawful procedures for actualizing a people's constitution for Nigeria. Our correspondent, Paul George, reports. Fewer than they should be, but large enough for this constitutional review, the nation's three major regions, the Alpses, Uyghurs, and Ibu's, were ably represented at this gathering. In its welcome address, the former minister of finance, budget, and national planning, Kalu Idika Kalu, says Nigeria ought to have become a nation after 64 years of our existence. Also, the former Commonwealth Secretary-General and chairman of the Patriots, Chief Emeka Anyakosas, called for a new constitution. It's a pity that so many fundamental issues are still tundering. Issues of political rights, this, on both some non-South divine, after 64 years, we should all be gathered here as full-fledged Nigerians of all corners of this nation. That our present 1999 constitution as amended not only marks the legitimacy that flows from a practically made constitution, but also has proved to be unsuitable for tackling many of the serious challenges currently confronting our country. The keynote speaker, senior advocate of Nigeria, Mike Ozekume, while profiling solutions to the current constitutional challenges advised Nigerians to get another constitution through a referendum and not an amendment. Nigerians must own their own constitution, be popular with the random of the people, like was done to the Midwest Constitution on the 10th of August 1963 when it's secreted from western region. Without that, we'll just be on a journey to no destination. Make no mistake about that. The executive governors, present and past, including Babajide Sounonu of Lagos State and Amin Utambuwal of Sokoto State, both were in support of a new constitution. Speaker of the Speaker, I've talked about the fact that it's not the national assembly that will make those amendments and it makes a lot of logical sense. It is for the national assembly to sell off, to constitute a simple law where the people will come together and make those amendments themselves. I stand here as a leader of the Lagos State and if it is a voice to use me as an advocate to take that forward in the national assembly, then this point is also taken forward. Let me support my brother, the governor of Lagos. We are there, the governor of Nigeria, who will provide our offices to collaborate with these departures and all women in Nigeria to move and promote that bill that will now establish the referendum commission for us to have and make a party. Former governor of River State and the immediate past minister of transport, Rutimi and Nechi showed concern for Nigeria's future. This conference is to reduce the South-South president. This ethnic group, with us, to prove their knowledge, to prove their knowledge, against their power. They're not playing anything. To prove their knowledge, we die. If they don't prove their knowledge, they get South-South. But it's okay. We don't come. They produce their president. Any change? Is there any change? When a promise is made by the stakeholders in this national constitutional dialogue, Nigerians are hopeful for a progressive future. Paul George, Plus TV News.


Final speaker is Richard Gunderman, the Chancellor Professor of Radiology, Pediatrics, Medical Education, Philosophy, Liberal Arts, Philanthropy and Medical Humanities and Health Studies all at Indiana University. Richard received his A.B. from Wabash College and his M.D. and Ph.D. here at the University of Chicago and also an M.P.H. at Indiana. He was the Chancellor Scholar of the Federal Republic of Germany and received an honorary doctorate of humane letters from Garrett Theological Seminary at Northwestern. Richard has written many articles over four hundred and eight books. He's past president of the faculty at Indiana University School of Medicine, correspondent for The Atlantic. And today Richard will speak to us on the topic Excellence in Ethics. It's a delight to welcome Richard back to the University of Chicago. I keep learning about ethics. I don't know much about it, but I'm an avid learner. One thing I've learned is that my students have a lot to teach me, and I want to share with you a lesson today I learned from one of my students. And from my point of view, it has to do with the beauty of transcendence. I don't know about where you work, but where I work what's sometimes called physician engagement but might just as well be described as morale, is sometimes poor and perhaps on the decline. People worry that the relationship between physicians and patients is becoming weaker. Many of us in medicine don't comprehend the systems we rely on every day to care for our patients. Information technology seems to have displaced the best interest of patients sometimes in the way we practice. The physician's judgment seems to have been devalued. I'm assessed almost strictly in terms of productivity, by which I mean quantitative outputs even though I don't think that's the most important thing I contribute. And finally, I feel I have less and less authority in deciding how to practice medicine. Sometimes I feel pretty sorry for myself. This is a puzzling montage. Those of you with keen eyes will be able to tell what's going on here, but for the moment I'll leave this a mystery except to say that this is the story of Nathan. And Nathan is the man you see in these six photographs. You know that each day in the United States about 3,500 Americans are told that they had cancer.  His experience was a little different because he's a physician. I personally think this is the second best book ever written about cancer, a fascinating tale. I encourage you to use the emperor of all maladies, deep insights into how we came to understand cancer. I read that book, thinking I understood cancer, and then I re-encountered my student, Nathan, who taught me something that I didn't get from the book. Nathan had for about six weeks had a hard right supercalibular swelling and was noticing reddish nodules on his hands that he assumed were the product of some infection or perhaps an allergy he'd developed. A colleague whose mother had just died of gastric cancer told him he ought to get that checked out. So they laid an ultrasound transducer on his supercalibular fossa. It was immediately apparent that the nodes were highly abnormal. He went for a biopsy. The biopsy was strongly suggestive of lymphoma. Nathan has told his wife before he was going to have this biopsy the night before, but then he had to call her and tell her that he probably had lymphoma. Her response, what? What do you mean? How can that be?  But I came to think that they coped with cancer, learned from cancer, and were in fact transformed by cancer in a way that I would describe as lyrical and even beautiful in terms of what I think might be ethics. So later that same day after he told his wife their kids came home, this is Henry Moore's family unit. They never asked about whether dad was going to die, but they were quite concerned that he might lose his hair. And he turns out to have either a poorly treatable B-cell lymphoma or Hodgkin's disease. They're in the Walmart checkout line the next evening when they get a single word text message Hodgkin and Nathan's wife yells out how unlikely that somebody would be delighted to learn that they had Hodgkin lymphoma. This of course is Thomas Hodgkin who first described the disease in 1832. What was the prognosis of Hodgkin lymphoma in 1915? Yeah, basically zero. It was uniformly fatal. Some of you know the story during World War II in Barry, Italy, the German Luftwaffe makes an unexpected bombing raid and sinks all 27 military ships in the harbor, one of which it turns out, although our government won't admit it, is jam-packed with nitrogen mustard gases of the sort that had been used during trench warfare in World War I. Happily the doctors who treated those soldiers and Italian civilians realized that many of their patients had become pancytopenic. Their blood counts had dropped to close to zero. Could that be useful in treating leukemias and lymphomas? And now as you know the prognosis for somebody diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease is perhaps 90% or so. Nathan's wife is mayor. Nathan's been baking on the fact that chemo is going to be this great white-loss program. That made her giggle. Doctors said you'll probably lose your hair around week three or four. That's been hard for Nathan to come to grips with. The doctor said it's going to be painful. Nathan dropped his head and looked at me with puppy-dog eyes, thinking the doctor was saying emotionally painful. But reading Nathan's body language, the doctor said it again, it's going to be painful. At which time my head I was like, he really means physical pain, and Nathan wasn't getting it, so I said, Babe, the doctor is telling you it's actually going to hurt when your hair comes out. And Nathan was like, what? But I lost it. It was so funny to me. We just laughed and the doctor said, man, you guys are really handling this news well. And immediately Nathan said, the Lord is good and this has been a great six days. You'd have to know Nathan and Mayor, but he is a physician who knows what he's talking about and he really means that. This is a stellar example in my own limited experience of some young people who suffered beautifully, not only bouncing back from a serious blow, but actually undergoing a kind of transformation. This is Nathan. Early Monday in the morning I experienced one of those rare raw moments when the Lord that up until now I've only read or heard stories of never before have I been faced down on the ground sobbing and pulling up my hair in anguish. There was much groaning going on. In that moment I was wrestling with God my emotions over what would happen to my family if this trial did not have a good ending. When I say beautiful, I don't mean they were oblivious to what they were going to and not scared to death, but there was a certain beauty in it. So that's Nathan, round one of chemotherapy. He'll have a total of 12 rounds over six months and suffer many of the side effects you'd expect like nausea and fatigue and so forth. Mary again, his wife, Nathan got his first chemo last Tuesday evening, felt pretty good through Thursday morning and went to work that day. The only side effect he felt were nausea. While being at work he just hit a wall and came home around two. And since it has been like Nathan was in the corner of the ring with his gloves down and chemo just took punch after punch with its side effects. Then the onslaught of abdominal cramping began day and night nonstop. Seeing your buddy curled up on the bathroom floor in the early hours of the morning is heartbreaking and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming. As for me, I didn't foresee the loneliness. My buddy is either sleeping or not himself mentally or hurting and it's just kind of a feeling of missing my friend. So Nathan resented most the chemo brain as he put it that he developed. This of course is Nathan with mayor. He went from sleeping eight hours a night to sleeping 14 hours a night and he had his biggest exam of his life, his board exam to take in a period of about a month. And he felt like he was some kind of apathetic robot. I totally regret I didn't have my phone on video when I went to see Nathan. He was so hysterical. I was laughing so hard which I felt bad about because when I giggle I have a hard time stopping. He was so concerned about his hair and commented how glad he was that he wore underwear today that didn't have holes in it which he refuses to throw out. But that was short lived because it seemed within minutes of going back, he just didn't handle the coming down from anesthesia well at all. And even the middle of his body retching and dry heaving he said, I don't know if I'm ready for chemo. The only thing he said he was scared of is not being able to proof read my email before I send it. One of the things that marked this family is that they were connected to a lot of other families, some medical, some not. And they were sending out basically daily updates on what was happening. So here's Nathan at the beginning of round nine, the kind of physical transformation you'd expect but that's not the transformation I want to stress today. Wednesday afternoon after Nathan's chemo he medicated up and went to bed. A neighbor and I went for a walk then I got a phone call that panicked me because it was from Nathan. He was supposed to be sleeping. Me, babe, are you okay? Nathan said with urgency, where are you? Me, I'm right here down the street. I'll run home and be there in a minute. Are you okay? Nathan, I'm coming to get you. Babe, I'm right here. What's wrong and you shouldn't be driving with meds on board. I need Vienna sausages right now. What? I'm pulling the car out now. I'm going to click and there's Nathan scarfing down the Vienna sausages. That could mean nothing but on the other hand it could mean something. Mayor had never had Vienna sausages nor seen Nathan eat them in the 14 years of their marriage and presumably this came from some point very deep in his childhood. There's Nathan and Mayor with their two children. I wasn't so much worried about myself but about my family. What would happen if I wasn't here? What would happen to my wife and kids? Mayor again sleeps the best thing for him and when he's awake he's not feeling good. He feels like he's failing at life as a follower, husband, dad and employee. When he shared this with me, my heart broke. This is just as much a mental challenge as physical for him and I am so thankful knowing I'm unable to go to these dark places in Nathan's mind. I can pray. He said today that even though he doesn't want to or feel like he can during the dark days, he has started to discipline himself in thanking the Lord for things. He's also quite emotional during his dark days, which he's very frustrated by but I find quite endearing. He put my hand on his bald head the other morning and he started to tear up and he apologized for being so emotional. So Nathan had very lonely hours. I had several conversations with him during this period of time and I asked him, how do you manage? How do you cope with this? And Nathan reached over into his briefcase and pulled out a very large well-worn Bible and he recited three verses that were written on the inside back cover of this very big old Bible. This of course is Vincent Van Gogh's still life of the Van Gogh family Bible. Not at all joy when you fall into various trials knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience but let patience have its perfect work that you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing. Second of three, therefore we don't lose heart even though our outward man is perishing yet the inward man is being renewed day by day for we do not look at things which are seen but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary but the things which are not seen are eternal. In this you greatly rejoice for now a little while if need be you've been grieved by various trials that the genuineness of your faith being much more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire may be found to praise, honor, and glory. For some people those scriptural passages are very familiar and a source of comfort and inspiration for others they may seem utterly irrelevant but for Nathan they were the real account of what he was going for and what it was all pointed toward. The greatest novelist who ever lived by the way who's that? Leo Tolstoy, truth like gold is to be obtained not by growth but by washing away all that is not gold. Remember those factors that cause physicians to be burned out? My encounters with Nathan were an opportunity to have that washed away and to get reacquainted with the real gold that lies at the heart of the medical practice what it means to be a doctor and at least in my case I encountered that in the person of one of the people I once taught for many years. So these kind of things definitely get me down. This is Van Gogh's Dr. Gache who in fact cared for Vincent Van Gogh during the last months of his life. Not exactly a picture of optimism or hopefulness in fact a kind of vacant despair. How did Nathan and his family avoid vacant despair? How were their lives not only touched but transformed in a way that's made them a better family and Nathan a better doctor? Well here I think is the key. For Nathan at least and by the way this is Nathan thinking of new uses for his chemotherapy port that's the little implement he's holding there. From his point of view suffering makes sense only in the context of some transcendent order. From his point of view he literally couldn't understand what he was going through day to day except in the sense that it was transcendent means to climb above or something that he was being pulled from above to become more than he was. For Nathan it didn't make sense unless he could understand the sacrifice of his suffering as having some transcendent purpose a reminder to him that this isn't all about him but maybe teaching him things that he could use to serve others. And finally from his point of view you and I and our patients are instruments of the transcendent serving purposes not only beyond our control but even beyond our can and for Nathan his experience of cancer was an opportunity to learn that lesson like he never had before.  So we think when we think about burnout I think we often think about resilience. How can we possibly bounce back? How can I get back to T zero right where I was before I fell ill? That's what I expect my doctor the health care team to do for me but from Nathan's point of view his affliction was not a call to resilience it was really a call to transcendence that he was being called to become something more than he was a better physician a better husband a better father and a better human being through suffering and that's I think the sense in which Nathan can say with a straight face that he thinks there's a beauty in suffering which he experienced first hand I'll stop there thank you.