In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness, health, and entertainment podcast, we answer a lot of fitness and health questions that are asked by viewers and listeners just like you. But the way we open the episode is with a 40 minute introductory portion. This is where we talk about current events. We talked about our forum today. We talk about supplements or health studies. So what I'm gonna do is give you a whole breakdown of today's episode. If you just want the fitness stuff where we answer the questions, that happens about 40 minutes into the episode. So here's the breakdown. We open up by talking about our new maps program coming out, Maps Suspension. This is a suspension, a whole program based off of suspension trainer. So you don't need any equipment but that and you can do it anywhere, of course outdoors, in your house, hang it in the doorway, whatever, full body workout. Now this program is being released only to our private forum as of the releasing of this episode on Tuesday. Thursday it becomes live to the public. However, if you'd like to get early access, we're offering a forum discount. In other words, you can get into our private forum for $75 or $75 and 75% off the normal price. So you're gonna pay 25 bucks for a year access into our private forum. All you gotta do is go to mapsfitnessproducts.com, type in this code 75 off. So that's 75-O-F-F for that discount and then you'll get the discount on the Maps Suspension program and other programs we may release. Then we talked about Mike Tyson. Believe it or not, that guy's been vegan for 10 years. Blew me away. Then we talked- I was gonna do the impression. No, no. Then we talked all about Mike Tyson taking potentially protein powders, animal protein versus plant protein. That got us talking about plant protein powders that are good. They typically are a mix of different plant sources. Now our favorite vegan protein powder is from Organifi. Organifi is a supplement company that has all organic supplements. They have protein powders, they have green juices, red juices, gold juices, and other products. If you wanna get the mind pump discount, here's what you gotta do. Go to organifi.com, that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump for 20% off. Then we talked about how Ancestry.com sold to Blackstone Investment Group and we talked about what that could possibly look like. Yeah, no shenanigans, I imagine. Then we talked about, easy for you to say, Twitter, potentially buying TikTok. I talked about my why you steak experience, that stuff is amazing. Why do you bring it up? Then we talked about distance learning for our kids and some strategies that we have for them. One strategy, of course, is to have them wear blue light blocking glasses since they're gonna be on their screens so much and it'll protect their eyes from the potential ravages of blue light from their computer screens. Now a company that we work with that makes the best, in our opinion, blue light blocking glasses is Felix Gray. Now here's one of the reasons why we like Felix Gray glasses. They're stylish and the glasses don't change the color of everything. So a lot of blue light blocking glasses are orange or red. These ones still are clear. They're still clear, but they still block a great deal of the potentially damaging blue light rays coming from electronic devices. So if you wanna get the Mind Pump hookup, check them out, go to FelixGrayGlasses.com that's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y, glasses.com forward slash mind pump and you'll get free shipping and free returns. Then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. This person says, look, I know you guys aren't super big fans of wrist wraps. What about lifting chalk? So we talk all about lifting chalk in that part of the episode. Next question, this person's asking about cold exposure therapy that includes ice baths and cold showers. And shrinkage. So we talk all about the benefits of cold therapy in that part of the episode. The third question, this person is a trainer. So they're asking a trainer question. They wanna know how to know when to push a client based off of their physical exhaustion or their mental exhaustion. Like, how do you know? And the final question, this person just wants to know what our favorite body weights have been and why, so it's a personal one. Also all month long, maps performance is 50% off. So this is a full workout program that incorporates athletic movements with traditional resistance training.  Now this program also includes a free modification so you can follow the entire program with just a pair of dumbbells. So that's all you need. You can work at home, follow the whole program. If you have gym access or you have a full gym at home, then you can follow the program as it was originally written out. So no excuses, a great program has some of the best reviews of all of our maps programs. Again, 50% off, here's how you get that discount. Go to mapsgreen.com. That's M-A-P-S-G-R-E-E-N.com. Use the code green50. That's G-R-E-E-N-5-0. No space for the discount. And it's t-shirt time.  Yes it is. Yeah. We have three winners for Apple Podcasts. We have one winner for Facebook. The winners for Apple Podcasts are Deck Tagging, Jay Durand-12, who's the man, 23. And for Facebook, we have Nicole Kostiek. All of your winners send the name I just read to itunes at mindputmedia.com. Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I told you guys about that one time I made a bad joke. That one time at bank account? No, not that. You've never done that. Yeah, I remember. No, no. They're always good. Remember what you did with that flute? Yeah. What'd you do with the flute? I could play and talk and sing. So no, the time I made a joke to a priest. Did I tell you guys about this? What? And I did not go over well. Did you know? That's like Adam pantsing his pastor. Yeah, I was trying to hit that. That doesn't sound good. Did you know he was a priest when you did it? Yeah, no, I was, I thought I was being clever and I thought he'd laugh. So, you know. It's like a rabbi joke. No. A rabbi and a priest walking to a bar, right? Yeah, no, not with me. No, he was, so my studio used to be next to, when I had the wellness facility, used to be next to a coffee shop. And they had a bench outside where people could wait. And Saturday mornings, they used to get real busy. So people would be sitting on the bench waiting to get seated. And so he just, it was a priest just sitting there. And he wasn't doing anything. He was just chilling, waiting for his turn to go eat breakfast. And I was training my client. We opened the doors, you know, because it was hot or whatever. And so I'm like, hey. It's like Helen here. No, no, that's nice. That's an inferno. No, I said, hey, he looks up and I'm like, you and I got something in common. And he goes, what? And I said, we both exercise people. Silence. Nothing. No, dude, he looked at me like, just to stare. Yeah. And I was like, oh wow. He's like demons are real. I thought he was going to chuckle. I'm joking about that. I thought he was going to laugh like, ha, funny one, you know, fist bump. Like, all right, I got some points. I got some points. That's a pretty clever.  That's going to go on my record. Yeah. That's going to go on my record, you know what I mean? I'm going to be at the gates, you know?  Right.  Is that funny? Did you think that was funny? Really? You know what I'm saying? Oh man. Did you guys see on the forum, the hubbub that's got started? Oh, all the hype around the new program coming. Yeah, so I told the forum, or we've been. I love the anticipation. Yeah, so we told the forum that we're coming out. We're going to about to release a new Maps program. So people were like, so excited, and then they're trying to guess what the program is, but some of them are funny. You want to hear my favorite one? Let me hear it. It's Maps Apocalypse 2020. Maps Apocalypse. It's trained like there's no tomorrow. I was just like, you guys sit down to the marketing team right there. Just we're going to get a workout till you die because there is no tomorrow. So I put it like Maps Naps because it's something we mentioned a while. A couple of episodes ago. So hilarious. But no, all joking aside, they are very excited and I guess we could talk about it. I'm excited. This has been, it's been over a year. Has it been a year, Doug? Yeah, about a year. It's been a year since we released a program. This is, I think, one of the longest stints we've gone without releasing a program, isn't it? It is. And this one really we came out with to meet, we see a strong demand, which is another super effective Maps program that requires no gym equipment. So this is a pure suspension trainer workout program. Everything complete, like upper body, lower body core, phased reps, sets, the whole deal. So that's what we finished and it's gonna be out to the forum first. I should say that now. So we don't release it to the public until later. What's the deal with the date is? I think it's on Thursday. Thursday, okay. So this episode drops Tuesday, that forum will get first crack at it and then of course they get there. Now that being said, something that we've talked about for a while, first of all, we don't talk about the forum like we used to when we first started. When we first started it was, we talk about almost every other week about the community and how it's been growing and what it's like in there. But for a newer audience, if you've been listening to us for less than a year, you know, the forum is, in my opinion, one of the most valuable things that we offer. Aside from the four of us being in there and helping and supporting the community, we've collected some of the brightest minds in our space. So there's all kinds of doctors and nurse and physical therapist and all kinds. A lot of trainers. A lot of trainers, a lot of brilliant minds in there and just advanced people that have been lifting for a long time, people that have gone through every single program. So it's such an incredible resource for people to use when they're going through any of the programs or if they need help and assistance with programing themselves or they need assistance with putting together a nutrition plan for them. I mean, that thing is just full of all kinds of great valuable content. There's also fun conversations that happen in there. People share memes and debate things. Yeah, it's somewhat of an extension of kind of like our intros here, I would say. Yeah, totally. So, but the forum always gets first crack at new release programs and then they do get a discount. Although the program will be released at discount because it's a new launch, the forum gets an additional discount. They always do. The forum always gets a little bit better deal than everybody, no matter what, even if it's a launch and a sale that we have going on. So it's, if you're somebody who has multiple programs, it pays for itself just to be in there for the discounts that you get on all the programs. Yeah, so because we're talking about it on the podcast, I think it's fair to say, to offer forum access at a really, really discounted price. So people, if you want to get in on the forum and then also get discounts on new release programs like MAP, suspension, it's- I heard there's a pretty handsome model in this one too. In this program. Yeah, in this program. It was just, you know, which is, you know, just we decided to do that to really up the value. Yeah, he's burly. Let's get some massive cakes, that's what I heard. Really good mobility. Watch this program. If this program sells more than any other program, dude, I don't know, we might have to pull all the other models out and replace with Justin going forward. I'm saying, yeah. Well, here's the thing. If you guys support me specifically, you know, I would like to see that. Yeah, I want to ask, before I ask you guys, I want to know what your experience is with working with suspension trainers. I know that was a later addition to the fitness market.  They weren't introduced until a little later. So I had mentioned that I had spent a year pretty much going body weight specifically and only. And at the time, this is like right when suspension trainers were kind of coming out. And they weren't even allowed in a lot of gyms because gym owners thought like, well, my equipment, my squat rack or anything is an anchor down to the floor bolted down. Like this is this liability. And so I used to get in trouble using it with my clients like all over the place. But it was such a beneficial tool for me because I could also bring it to people's houses, go outside with it, use it over like, you know, trees and, you know, it was very versatile. But the moves that you could do with it were like really intense and very, very effective. So I totally had a lot of benefit from using it. I wish that we had already launched this because I'd say somewhere between like 10 to 15 people already that are trainers that I've suggested this to. This is how I used it and it was really popular back when I was running boot camps. Is you can now get some of these suspension trainers for very reasonable, which by the way, we're gonna carry them ourselves for a really good deal. And I would buy them for enough boot campers and then I would run an entire boot camp centered around them. So I've been telling a lot of trainers that I've been looking for pivots like, hey, I can't train indoors or gyms closed down. I've been thinking about running a boot camp. What would you do? What are some model ideas? And using the suspension trainer is an incredible way to run boot camps outside. Cause you could, like you said, Justin, you could up to, I mean, I remember we used to do the field goal post on a football field or tie to trees. Like it's really, really easy to strap it almost on anything and you can get an incredible full body workout. Yeah, so I didn't have a whole lot of experience with suspension trainers. Then I had a trainer work for me in the later part of my career who was really big in them. And I, without much experience thought, oh, this looks like a, it doesn't look like you can really make a workout that intense or create enough resistance. One of the challenges with body weight or equipment free exercises, creating enough resistance for certain exercises. That is so not true with suspension trainers and isolation exercises you could do with it as well, which can be hard sometimes with like other modalities. Yeah, you really learn about how to manipulate leverage and a lot of these exercises, you can make really, really intense or you can actually pull off and kind of move away from the anchor and make it way less intense or vice versa, depending on what exercise you're doing. So there's actually some exercises that I prefer using suspension trainers for and some of them are silly. Like I like, you think they're silly. I love doing bicep curls with a suspension trainer. I really like pulling my body forward with my biceps rather than just moving my hands. Totally, totally different feel. And of course, when I adjust my body weight to make it harder or easier, it's almost like getting a little bit of the benefit of a chin up, but with just for my biceps. Well, that's the other part of it that's really great is that it's really easy to regress or progress a movement just by where you angle it. Super easy. Right, just by you stepping away from the suspension trainer further, you can make it more challenging, stepping closer, you can make it easier or vice versa. So I think regressing movements or progressing them, I think it's great. So talking more to the professional, right? So this is something that I've suggested and I'll suggest it on the podcast since I get a lot of DMs about business and fitness people that are trying to think of other ways. The way I would do this is I would purchase X amount of suspension trainers myself. So I have them as a trainer and as a coach. And then the length of our program, I would sell a camp like that. So I would sell it for X amount of weeks for a specific price and that reserves that person for that suspension trainer for the entire time of that camp. A great way to model it that way versus kind of your traditional boot camp with Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, Wednesday, Friday or whatever for a extended period of time or indefinitely. Instead of doing it like that, I would run the suspension trainer camps for the allotted amount of time that the actual program lasts and make that the price for the person to come in for the entire thing. And that would include, and I would as a coach, I would wrap in whatever it cost me for the suspension trainer and my time for that allotted time to price it outright. Well, totally. Well, Doug just put up what he wants to offer for the forum.  That's it. Somebody's in a giving mood. Yeah, so if you want to get access, you wanna get access to the forum. So what is that priced then, Doug? What does that come out to you? It's about 25 bucks. 25 bucks you get a year access to the forum. So it's normally almost $100. So there you go. And then if you're in the forum, you get discounts on launches. So map suspension, for example, is gonna be lower for the forum. Which almost pays for the forum price in itself just by doing that. So if you were even thinking about getting the suspension trainer, it's kind of a no brainer to do that. Hey, I wanted to ask you guys something. So do you guys know of any like vegans that are famous that are bad asses? Like Arnold? No, he can't put him in that. Just for game changers. Yeah. I said plant-based. It's like the next day after it came out, he's got all this like rib-eye. Yeah, all this meat and his fridge. I got somebody that you'll never guess. Who? You'll never guess. Because this person is terrifying. And they're totally against the stereotype of, now I look, I know that- I know a lot of endurance athletes, but I wouldn't necessarily call them bad ass. I mean they are, but they're sport. Yeah, if it's a good diet for you, you could still do just as well as anybody else. So I know that, but there's always that stereotype, right, where Mike Tyson. No, he's not. He's been vegan for 10 years. What? Yes. Wow. He's been vegan for- I did not know that. Doug fact-checked that. That's not real, is it? For 10 years he's been vegan. How has that not been all over the vegan propaganda? I can't believe I haven't seen that. How did they not pull him in game changers? You're not gonna add Iron Mike to the mix? You know what's funny about this? I don't remember.  Yeah.  Pregnable. And I'm just ferocious. I want your heart.  Praise be to Allah. Are you saying now Mike the bike? Let's go. See, look at this. Mike Tyson has been vegan since 2010. What? Yeah. I did not know that. I no idea. Yeah. I had no idea. I looked it up. Children aren't vegan, right? No, that's what I was gonna say. Evander Holyfield's here. Yeah, that's not vegan. Yeah, he hasn't been very consistent. He hasn't been very consistent. He's a little bit of a carnivore, man. Yeah, yeah.  And I mean, he's terrifying. I watched the videos of him train. Isn't he supposed to fight? Yeah, so Roy Jones Jr. Yeah, so they're planning on, I don't know when that's coming out. I think it's soon. But I mean, come on. Well, they weren't even in the same weight class. No. They weren't even in the same weight class. So is this gonna be that catch weight? What's the deal? So did you ever watch Roy Jones Jr. fight? I thought he was supposed to fight. He was my second favorite fighter. So when I was watching boxing was during his time and Mike Tyson's time. They were some of the most awesome fighters to watch fight. And you know- He moved like Ali a little bit.  But that fight and now, I mean, I'm assuming he must be a lot heavier and carrying himself kind of out of shape. I don't know about that one. I think they both are. I thought he was like a welterweight, wasn't he? A welterweight or a little heavier? Yeah. Did he fight like a heavyweight? He definitely wasn't, no, he didn't. I don't think he fought light heavyweight. He's 51 right now. So I just looked up his age. How old is Tyson? Is he also around that same age? He's 50. So you guys, you see what's happening, right?  Oh, this doesn't count, bro. It's Tyson, bro. Yes, it does count. This is just showing you- Because you know who else is on that card? Yes. What's his face? The YouTube star guy. Logan Paul's brother. Yes. Jake Paul, right? Yes. There's another one too. I don't even pay attention to all of them. But every time I see one, come on. I always say something to Sal about this. He's fighting some NFL player. Yes. Which is like, I'm just face-palming this whole thing. This is the thing now. Because these guys have so much pool on their social media. They just know people will watch. Yeah, they've got millions of people.  And so people are taking advantage of it. And what I think you're seeing with Tyson and these guys, these guys are all going, look at this. These no-name people or no-name boxers are making, getting paid all kinds of money to box.  It's a money grab. And we only get one taste. So we got that one video of Tyson on Instagram training where he had some snaps still in him. And we're like, whoa. But in terms of being able to move like that for a long period of time, dude, I don't know. Well, one round, bro. Yeah, one round. Here's the thing you don't want to see. This is the problem with old fighters is you don't want to see them get knocked out really bad. That makes people feel, it does. It makes you feel really bad when you see an older guy. But here's the thing, this is the saying in boxing and I've seen it in person. The last thing for a boxer loses his power.  Yeah, what about Foreman? When did he, he was 44 or 46? When he was, I mean, he was bigger and heavier but he put the hurt on everybody. I've seen, there's a video of a man who was 70 who was just putting the hurt on some 20-year-old kid because you don't lose your power. You don't lose your power, yeah. But you got Roy, so considering that, right, that they still are hit hard, you got Tyson against Roy Jones Jr. And if they make some clean shots, are people gonna want to see that? You know what I mean? That could be nasty. Yeah, how scary is that when a 51-year-old gets knocked out? It's hard, you know what I mean?  I'm still like, I can't believe it. So Tyson's been vegan for, what, 10 years? You go back to the vegan thing. Like, come on, dude. Not if he eats ears, bro, and children, it does not count. Remember when he was, now do you guys know his history? When he was younger and he used to raise pigeons? Yeah. You guys know this about him? No, tell me. So he used to raise pigeons. This is when he was a really young boxer. Maybe even before or during the time he trained with what's his name, Amada, what's his name? Can't remember his name. Anyway, he used to have pigeons as pets. That was like a thing for him. So he's always loved animals. I'm surprised there hasn't been like a vegan like protein company that hasn't jumped on him right away. You would think having a big name or he owns it, you know? Cause like, I mean, he got into the weed business, for sure. So he's big, yeah, in the marijuana space.  I actually got in a conversation with somebody over vegan protein versus, or plant protein versus animal protein. Cause the studies showed on a gram per gram basis, animal protein is more effective. In other words, you'd have to eat more plant protein to equate to the same amount of, you know, to equate to the same kind of muscle protein synthesis and that kind of stuff that you'd get from less animal protein. But if you have a high protein diet, it's all a wash. So this is the discussion I had. I said, look, when they compare the two, what they usually are comparing is a single sourced plant protein versus a single sourced animal protein. Oh, really? Yeah. So not really fair. Well, I guess it is fair, but... Would you say that's the number one thing that anyone who is shopping for a vegan protein, that that's what they should be looking for? Multiple sources. For a multiple source. Yeah, you want to see a blend because what they do is, so here's the problem with vegan proteins is they tend to be lower in the branched amino acids and lower in essential amino acids. They're from a single source. From a single source. Now, some single sources are not bad. Like, pea protein's got a decent amino acid profile. But even if you compare pea protein to whey protein or egg protein, egg and whey are still superior. But if you combine egg protein, excuse me, pea protein with rice protein and hemp protein and others, then they can complement each other with the amino acid profile and you get something that is exceptional. So when it comes to vegan proteins, you gotta look at the whole story. So then if you do find one that has a blend like that and you compare it to whey, is it like literally splitting hair difference? It starts to get to splitting hairs. Now, it might make a difference if your protein intake is low, but if you're following the 0.6, 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body whey, which is what studies show that your protein intake should be at if you want to maximize muscle growth and that kind of stuff. If you're in that high category, that high protein intake category, then it's splitting here. And here's the other thing too. A lot of people choose vegan proteins for either two reasons. One, because they don't like eating animals, they don't like doing, it's a moral thing, right? It's a morality thing for them. And the other main reason, this is the reason why I use vegan protein powders. I have an intolerance to dairy protein. So whey protein for me messes up my stomach. I've had a lot of people that didn't know that they have that issue until they actually tried a vegan protein. So it switched over. You should not be, it's good to experiment anyways. I didn't, and I noticed it when if I've been using whey a lot or I've had a lot of dairy in my diet and then I'm also using that, I do notice a little bit of bloat from it and water retention. And so that's how I try and go back and forth between. I still enjoy my whey, but then I always keep a vegan protein powder available so I can kind of go back and forth. This is my whey, oh, the highway. Thanks, Justin. Yeah, well, it's, okay. We make, people make jokes in our space about protein farts. Like, oh, I eat a lot of protein. Because we have to, because it's disgusting. Yeah, therefore I'm going to have, in fact, when I was a younger trainer, I thought this was actually a, just a common side effect. And that's how I would, that's how I'd get my protein to take. It's like, oh, they smell. Ooh, that's too ripe. Yeah, I mean, I'm eating good in that amount of protein. Oh, it doesn't smell. Need to bump up my protein. Perfect amount of must. Yeah, that's actually false. You should not have putrid smelling farts. Sulfurous gas. If you're getting really, really bad smelling farts from your protein powder, you have an intolerance. It's not because you're having protein. You know what I mean? Listen up, bros. Yeah, it's a totally false thing. Did you guys hear about Ancestry.com getting purchased by Blackstone Investment Group? What? Wait a minute, hold on. Blackstone Investment Group, like I'm not privy, what are they exactly? It's just an investment group. Oh, okay. Yeah, so just think about, all of that data is now being 100% transferred to an investment company. Oh. Like, think about that. Everybody's gave their DNA samples.  They just sold off. So what's your theory? Do you think that they're doing that to use it to sell to them? They can do whatever they want with it. It's theirs. They just purchased it. I know, but what's the theory? Why would you go buy something like that? If you're a Blackstone Investment Group, why would you go get, pay probably a, Well, let's think about that. Yeah, what are some scenarios you think they could use? Here's one. I don't know how legal it is or how people who signed up for ancestry, if they signed a waiver that said that this is allowed. But let's say it is, right? I would think so. Or why would you buy it? Right, well, what I mean is, maybe they could sell the DNA to life insurance companies, medical insurance companies. Think about it that way, right?   But what do you mean? I have never had a heart attack. Actually, your DNA says that you're at high risk. Or like a pharmaceutical company who has the answer for some of their issues, right? So now that makes sense to me now, right? If you got their DNA and you could see what's going on, then you could sell to a pharmaceutical company to direct market right to them. To me, it's kind of a workaround too because of all the regulations. We were talking about with Google even in Fitbit where they get into an issue with digital health data that they have at their disposal. So this is like, you know, you could trace back all kinds of things genetically. Now, again, where do you guys stand on this? Is it a thing you do? Are you feel like you're infringing on it? I mean, if people were unaware that their stuff was gonna get sold off, I have a problem with it. Right, me too. I think if you released it and you said, yeah, you can do whatever you want, sell it, then okay. Yeah, but you know that. It's your DNA. You know how this works down days? It's like a release. Like when Facebook gets you to sign up the first time, if they sold it, you better believe that they probably have somewhere in there that they have the rights to this information now. So you probably already gave that up or else it wouldn't make any sense for them to sell it off to a company like that if they can't use it. So you go ahead and just- It's user-beware. But I just think they need to really expose that ahead of time. But then again, now I'm playing devil's advocate here because on the other side, you have, hey, if I had something, right, a disease or I'm battling something and there's a pharmaceutical drug that's out there that could help me. And I didn't even know about it. And now I'm being marketed by them. Do I not like that? Is that a problem? Yeah, but think about the fear-based marketing. You imagine that and get an email. Yes. It'll be, hey, Adam Schaefer, we have access to your DNA. Your chances of getting cancer are actually pretty high. We looked at your DNA. Oh my God. So if you would like to pay for treatment, pre-treatment or what?  You're predisposed to this and that and the other and you should probably buy this. You know what the problem with that by the way is we don't know enough about DNA yet to even go there. Because you have DNA, but then you have how it's expressed because of lifestyle. Or they could clone you. Yeah, oh well, that's such a great movie. Hey, yeah. You imagine that? Yeah, all your, like they have access, like all the DNA there that they start like making other people and they're just like, wait. Whoa, yeah. Here goes your conspiracy. Right now, they keep lying going right there. I think a worst case scenario, you know? Yeah, we need to break into so-and-so's house. How are we gonna do that? They got the greatest security. Don't worry, we have a clone house just like them. Same fingerprint, everything. Yeah, kill the president, replace it with the clone, nobody will ever know. Are you guys staying up and up on the social media wars that are going on, like usual? You know, so you have, I know that, was it TikTok? No, no, no, excuse me, it was- Well, TikTok looked like it was getting banned. So what's happening with that? Okay, so listen, you have Snapchat who is now releasing advertising like things like Headspace that you'll start getting through there. You've got TikTok who was supposed to get banned. Now is talking to Twitter. So Twitter potentially might buy them. What other social media news have I seen right now? That's, what else was the other one?  Oh, huge, huge of TikTok. But I thought it was originally supposed to be Microsoft. Yeah, some American- They were bidding for it. An American company has to buy them before they're banned. Oh, that was the other ones. Yeah. And Instagram just released Reel. Have you guys seen Reel? So what's the difference between Reel and InstaStory? Well, it's quick little, it's supposed to be like TikTok. It's their answer to TikTok. So do they have dance move stuff embedded in it? It's going to have all that. Yeah, it's going to have a little Lord. Yeah, we're getting rid of that. Yeah, because I was like all those nurses and doctors are like, oh, what am I going to do? TikTok's going to be banned. You can go to Instagram now. Yeah, no way I have an answer for you. Yeah, though some of those are so, you know, maybe I'm old, but they're cringy. I'm sorry. If you're over 20 something and you're doing, you know, TikTok videos. Oh, great. You're going to get sucked in by your daughter one day and you're going to feel bad for saying that. Well, I'll do anything for her. Well, there you go.  Well, that is because, you know, this is why. Who's, wait. This is why I think it's hilarious. You know, I blame Gary V for this, right? Because Gary V, I feel like has such an influence on business operators today. And so he says something like, everybody should be on TikTok because it's the new platform.  You're doing the mockering. And then they just started and they start doing it.  If you, I bet you don't get a single sale from that. You might be losing sales, but if you're over 40 and you're doing TikTok, there's a good chance you're losing sales for your business. I'm just going to put it out there. I'm going to counter Gary V's point. Yeah, anyway. Hey, have you guys ever tried, I hope I'm pronouncing it right, Wagyu steak? Wagyu? Wagyu? Wagyu. I thought it was Wagyu, yeah. I thought it was Wagyu, Doug. What is it? Wagyu. Say that again. Wagyu. Is that Japanese? Wagyu, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Spensive beef. Well, I've had it, but I'd... So I've never really eaten a nice cut of it, right? I've sampled it here and there, and now why? Because it's silly. The price is silly. It doesn't make any sense. 300 bucks or 200-something dollars for six ounces, it's insane, right? So I went to have steak with Jessica over the weekend. We went to Alexander's.  Mm-hmm, yeah. It's really good, phenomenal. So they had this special. They come out and they're like, we got this special going on, six ounces of Japanese imported Wagyu steak for 115 bucks, which is like a killer. Boom. So it's the first time I ever, have you ever had, have you ever tasted this meat? I thought we had it at your birthday. It like melts. Did we? Yeah, we had it at your birthday, dude. I was really drunk. Yeah, we had it at your birthday. That was still to this day. I don't know if I can say I've had a better steak than that. That was really good. Yeah, you're right, yeah. What was the name of that place? What was it? Bizarre Meat? Yeah, that's right. Bizarre Meat. You guys were drunk too. But the meat, it literally, it's like it's meat made out of butter. I don't know how to explain it. It melts in your face. Remind me, now is this the age, how old the cow is, or is it they massage the beef or something? I looked it up. Okay, tell me. So now I can. They massage the cow. No, I'm serious.  Oh no, this is the deal, right? Yes. So it's a special, by the way, there's only I think 3,000 of these cows or something like that. It's like a small number from Japan that they have. First off, they're a special breed. Then they feed them a special diet that includes beer. So they also feed them beer. So they give them like the best life. Then they do deep tissue massages on these cows in order to encourage marbling. And then here's the part that I think is kind of sad. I think they limit their movement because they don't want the muscle to get too developed and tough or whatever. So they rub them down, feed them beer. So then what you get, and I learned this after eight, the meat, okay, everybody's to calm down. The meat is like marbled like you've never seen before.    It's insane. Six ounces too was very filling because it was so rich. Oh wow. You know what I'm saying? Amazing stuff. But probably the last time I'll order, I don't know, we'll see. Really?  Yeah, because I need to learn more about how they restrict the movement.  Isn't that insane? Look at that one, 300 bucks. Yeah, you have 300 bucks, you'll get like eight ounce meat for 300 bucks. What cut did you have? Did you have a ribeye or do you have a filet? What did you have?  You didn't know it was? It was just wagyu. It was just wagyu. I just got some wagyu. Yeah, anyway. Dude, I got some notice from my kid's school that they- Oh man, what's going on you guys? Are they gonna be out this year? Okay, so here's the deal. So far, we know that they're out until there's certain criteria, I guess, that the governor came up with in here in California, but they also are asking- He's been doing a great job. A phenomenal, yeah, governor Newsom's crush. He's my guy. He's my guy. They also asked us if we would be okay with distance learning for the whole year. I know, dude. I don't know how I feel about that. I talked to some other parents and we were discussing what we're gonna do because I said, you know, I understand the whole risk of COVID, which although COVID's risk seems to be extremely low for children, the fear is that they'll spread it to other people. So, okay, I understand that, whatever, but we also need to consider the other health issues this may cause kids during very developmental years.  What kind of effects are we gonna see? We're not gonna know this for years, by the way. No one's gonna know for years. What are we gonna see later on in terms of, if kids had a year or two years with minimal social interaction? I wonder how much, because I feel like we've already been conditioning in this direction. When you look at the way kids use social media now and remember when- Yeah, but this is extreme. I know, I know, but I feel like we're already conditioning in that direction anyways. Remember when Enzo first started working for us like two years ago or whatever? And he told me, he shared that story with me about how you would talk to a girl at a party. Like that was just wild. Yeah, first to ask her for a friend, trying to follow her on social media. Yeah, yeah, she'd be across the house. You see her, I wanna go talk to her, but before you go do that, the first thing you do is you friend request her on Facebook. If she then accepts it, then you can then say something to her. If she responds to that, then you go over and you walk and talk to her. Or Instagram or something like that. Right, right, so I mean, these kids that are going through school right now, I feel like have been so conditioned for being almost antisocial as it is. Well, so here's the thing though, they still went to school for six to seven hours a day. I know, I know. We're still in playing recess. We're still with kids in the classroom. Constantly talking to each other. Yeah, and now look, okay, so Jessica is an adult, right? She's not working, she's at home. She doesn't get the opportunity to go meet, see, at least get to see you guys when we record. She's at home all the time. And she likes alone time. She's one of those people she enjoys that. But she tells me how much it affects her. Now you're talking about kids who can't really express, they might even be aware that it's affecting them negatively. That's what I think. I think a lot of kids don't even realize. And it's developmental. This is, these are the developmental years for kids.  So half of fourth grade, and now let's say potentially all of fifth grade, not being around a lot of kids most of the time. I mean, we might be able to schedule a play date here and there, but it's not the same as being at school every day around 30 kids in the classroom and seeing your friends and having conversations and figuring things out with your friends at recess and talking about this kid and oh, we gotta figure out this problem. Let's play four square. Let's do this thing over here, answer questions with the teacher, have discussions. None of that, right? There's gotta be some, some, some, who knows what the effects are gonna be, but I think they're gonna be negative. Oh yeah, no, I've been talking about this with Courtney a lot as of late too, because it's like, how do we handle this? And you're right, there's just a totally different benefit to having them just immersed in with like kids because they come up with their own nuanced languages between the two, you know, everybody kind of has their own lingo and can communicate things and they're figuring things out together as opposed to just getting everything from mom and dad and then us like trying to figure out how we can then schedule them to hang out with their friends. It's a struggle, so. Now let's say this is what, let's say this is what's gonna happen and your kids are not going back to school at all, all of next year. What are some of the things that you guys as parents are having conversations around? Are you, what are you gonna do? Let's say, because right now I feel like everyone's hoping the school's gonna do something.  It's gonna be on you as a parent to figure this out to make sure this doesn't really negatively affect them long term. What are some of the things you guys have talked about potentially doing? So there's like a group of six or seven parents with kids that are like friends with my oldest and then we're trying to collect a couple other groups of parents for my youngest and just to see like, I mean, we're still gonna be going off the curriculum that they're providing from the school initially, but we're trying to then organize them to trade off which parent does the teaching for that particular day. And then we're gonna kind of try and rotate. Like a pod. Yeah, like a pod. So yeah, it's like a little micro school that they're all gonna hang out and do their thing. And then also like we'll have recess where they go do exercise and sports and things like that. A lot of parents are doing that. A lot of parents are getting together with like four kids, five kids. And then one parent will watch them while they do the online class together. And they still respect the people I've talked to still do the respect to social distancing in terms of the six feet apart, kids wear masks. Yeah, you can do all that kind of stuff. You can still do that. No masks. I'm gonna make sure that the kids, get to see their friends on a one-on-one basis on a weekly basis, like really make it an effort. Otherwise they're gonna be at home all day long. I do make sure that my kids go on two walks a day. I take them in the garage, I train them. And because they're on screens way more than they were before, blue light blocking classes because that can be damaging to the eyes. So I got my son, got my daughter a pair, got my son a pair. This is what you're gonna wear while you're doing the class. They are also, I'm gonna have, I'm gonna treat it a little bit more formally. So like last year it was like my son was on his bed doing the school thing. I'm gonna have a desk they're gonna wear and like they're going to school but they're gonna do it there. Just to create a little bit more structure or normalcy I guess around it. Well and it's smart too and what's cool is there's a little bit more flexibility with it because there's certain subjects that like my kids like just blaze through. It comes super easy and natural to them. And so to spend that like extra amount of time on those things doesn't make sense. It's like they get the work done cool and move on. You spend the most time on the difficult ones for them. And so it'll be great to kinda hone in on what those things are and really like help them. Well I feel like the most important part is actually and you alluded to it but then I feel like neither one of you really addressed the answer to it is the play, the interactive play together because I mean sitting in a classroom with a teacher versus sitting at home watching it, yeah a little bit of a difference, the interaction of raising your hand and answering questions but I don't feel like that's where the, I feel like the huge miss is what happens when no teachers are involved and kids have to interact with each other on a playground and decide who they're gonna pick first, what games they're going to play, organizing each other. To me that is the part that is gonna be the most challenging and maybe the most detrimental if we don't find a way to address that. Yeah, yeah I'm making that a priority 100% and you know kids are outside so I think other parents are not as afraid about transmitting any potential COVID or whatever.  One look at what Justin just said about the pods is also what I've been experiencing and I guarantee you parents all over the country are doing this and I guarantee you that you, if you have four or five kids meeting together for a pod that they would be more than happy to spend $80 an hour for a trainer come and take the kids through an hour of recess or exercise or fun stuff or whatever. That's not 80 bucks divided by five parents is nothing. I guarantee you'll find tons of work that way. Yeah and then add to it, like my dad like went through the whole process of getting qualified and certified to be a wood shop teacher and like a skills teacher and so I'm actually using him in some of these pods to then teach these kids like age-appropriate projects. So they're also like learning and developing a skill set with their hands on top of the education part of it. So it's an opportunity I see to get more creative and invest more time into like real specifics that your kids may be interested in. That's a cool idea right there. So let's play this game for a minute here because let's pretend I'm the trainer who's out of work right now. I'm targeting you guys as parents. Like what would you like to like the thing that comes to mind based on what you just said Justin and what you're saying Sal was like I would present to you guys like this hour with me like either every day or three days a week and maybe one day is like fitness focused. Maybe one day is a project. Maybe I'm building a sandbox one day or like they're doing something. Because you're using math it's like applied math right? Like what would you like to see from me as a trainer to implement besides just play? Fitness games. You're not gonna have them do squats and push-ups and stuff like that. No kid didn't like that. Fitness games so like- Relays. Relays, tag, steal the bacon. Just different types of games. Like green light. Yeah, you know balance on one foot who could pick up the most flags before the other foot goes down.  That's the most effective because it's hard to keep the kids attention for an hour if you're like, all right, 10 push-ups, all right. After the second or third session the kids would be like, I don't wanna do that. No, it's gotta be fun. It's gotta be fun. And that's the point is it to be fun and interactive just co-pointing and doing 10 push-ups and I don't think that's really helping them social interact. It would be, I would wanna do something where they're more involved in it, where they have to create or come up with or lead it and I'm just kind of overseeing it. That's it and because you're a trainer and you have a fitness background, you're qualified to take the kids through these types of activities. I would pay, I would have no problem hiring somebody to do something like that. Mm-hmm. All right, the first question is from Kyle D. Thomas. I know you're not fans of wrist straps because of losing the potential grip strengthening. What about chalk, liquid or powder? My hands tend to sweat a lot and the chalk helps with that but I don't want to hinder my grip strengthening. Yeah, no, chalk doesn't, chalk isn't gonna hinder your grip strengthening. It's gonna help you actually be more connected to the weights because the weight isn't slipping, especially if you have really slippery sweaty hands. I remember the first time I used chalk. So obviously growing up in the gym business, all the gyms I worked out in the early days banned chalk. So I actually never had access. It used everywhere. I'd never seen them, right? Never seen chalk, never really used it, worked down the gym. If my hands would sweat, I'd wear gloves sometimes and otherwise I didn't use anything at all. And then I went to a hardcore gym and saw that they actually had community chalk on the workout floor and it was chalk on the floor. I loved it. I was like, oh, this is cool, let me try this. I've never used this before. Used it on my hands and I had a much better workout. Now it wasn't, and I use chalk, by the way, if I'm pressing even. So chalk, a lot of times people say, oh, it's to prevent your grip from slipping so you can hold on to more weight when you deadlift or pull heavy, which is true. But it also gives you better connection to the weight in my opinion, which is why I like to chalk my hands when I do, you know, presses or when I do laterals or any movement, it just makes me feel more connected the way. I get the best workouts with it. And I used to have all my clients chalk their hands when I would train them, even my elderly clients. Well, I want to address too that we're not anti-risk straps either. Like I've talked about using them. I think it's just, it's being mindful of it, right?  Like it's like now become a fashion thing where you wear straps or you wear a belt all the time. Like that's what I think all of us would agree that we're anti, right?  Like you should, you should definitely train yourself to be able to squat and deadlift without a belt too. In fact, you should be able to do that 80 to 90% of the time without a belt. It doesn't mean that there isn't a place for you to utilize some of these tools. These tools have value and there's a lot of different examples where you can use them.  And that's the point is to be strong in real life, not just when you go to the gym. And it's for safety reasons to protect yourself.  So for me, it's like 80% of the time, I'm not using tools like this, but 20% of the time to insert it into my training every once in a while, I don't have a problem with either one of those. Yeah, I didn't get exposed to chalk till I was in college and training. You didn't know what the strength coach is and I saw a chalk there and I used to use, actually wrist straps a lot when I used to power clean because that was something that I saw everybody do and I thought that was just kind of a part of it in order to keep a nice tight grip, but it was very surprising to me what chalk provided in terms of security of my grip going, especially barbell training. So if you haven't done chalk with barbell training, it's a completely different feel where you do feel like you have a lot more control of the lift. Yeah, your liquid chalk's pretty good too. It's not bad, it's not quite as good as powder but you're not allowed to use powder chalk in hardly any gyms. Yeah, none of them. So I mean, I work out in my garage, I can use whatever I want, but when I go to the gym, I would get liquid chalk and some of them aren't bad, some of them aren't bad, but it's not quite as good as normal chalk. Here's the other thing with wrist straps that you need to consider. Like a belt, it changes muscle recruitment patterns. It does, studies will show that it changes how the patterns of your muscles work. So it not only prevents your grip potentially from getting as strong as it can, it also changes recruitment patterns so that you get better at lifting with wrist straps and worse at lifting without them. This is not necessarily, this is not a good thing if you want your strength transfer into the real world. So people use wrist straps all the time are doing themselves a big deserve. Well, and I also found after using wrist straps for so long, power cleaning that my wrist got really weak and dependent on, just because of the support that it was also providing my wrists with these lifts. And so I had to retrain the way that I was able to catch the bar and get my wrists strong enough to then provide that stability. Yeah, now here's the thing too, your hands have tremendous capacity for strength. I think that there's a bit of a misconception that the hands are the weakest link, therefore you need wrist straps because your back is so much stronger than your hands.  You know, we did evolve from primates, our hands can be tremendously strong. I've pulled my max deadlifts without wrist straps and it almost never do my hands get in the way but it wasn't always like that.  Next question is from Minifig. Cold exposure therapy is said to have many health benefits. Would taking a cold shower be a good alternative to doing an ice bath? Does your body need to hit a certain temperature in order for the benefits to be activated? Cold showers are phenomenal. Yeah, it depends on what you mean by benefits. Now a cold shower is nothing like an ice bath. An ice bath is a whole different level. Are they talking about like cold shock proteins? I know like Dr. Rhonda Patrick talks a lot about this. Yeah, it's all heat shock proteins and cold, you know, all of the physiological things that happen with cold. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of fasting. So when you look at fasting, we can look at all the physiological benefits but honestly, the best benefits from fasting are the psychological or spiritual benefits that you have. Same thing with the cold, you know, therapy whether it's cold shower or the extreme cases, ice baths. Yes, there are physiological changes that happen. Yes, your body learns to acclimate. I mean, it's like training a muscle. Your body's ability to acclimate to cold or hot is something that you can strengthen and improve. And because we're always in air conditioned heated rooms, we don't ever train them. But the real benefit is learning to be okay with being uncomfortable. That's the big, big benefit. Well, I have something to add to that just based on my experience with, you know, an ice bath in general. Like I'm really trying to mill it over and understand like what I really got out of it besides all like the science and how they're explaining it and everything. Really to me, it was access to that parasympathetic state where I can find my way to calm in, you know, an extreme environment. So if I'm immersed all the way in, like my natural tendency is to squeeze and brace as hard as I can and that restricts your breathing. So to not be able to breathe is a problem, you know, under those conditions and to be able to calm, I could breathe normal and my body was more resilient once I was in the calm state. So it was just totally psychologically benefited. I would challenge that though, Sally, even more than I don't think it's just a mental like fasting where that's the main benefits. When I started doing the hot cold contrast, I noticed a significant difference in the resiliency that I had to like the common cold. I used to get sick all the time and I know Wim Hof talks a lot about this and this is of course my personal experience, right? But this is what I've seen with people that I've got on it the same way too is your ability to be able to handle the extreme changes in temperature, it's you're teaching your body to adapt to that and become very good at that. And if it's very good at that, when we head into things like winter time, your body adapts, it handles that when I think when most people are susceptible to getting sick, it ain't no big deal for you. So I find that being one of the most beneficial things about it. Well, studies support that. People who do ice baths or use saunas or do cold showers do get less infections every single year. Now, the problem with that is I've looked at the studies and they did control for all these factors but it's really, really hard to control for the healthy bias factor. And what I mean by that is the person who spends the time to do these things also probably leads a healthier life. That's also why I use me as an example is that I've worked out in a gym for 20 years and been what I would say quote unquote a healthy person and didn't start to implement that till we all got together. And like we learned about the benefits of hot cold contrast training. And when I started to do it, it was when we had the podcast.  It was like my whole life I've been that way. I just assumed that. And I assumed that I was just that way as a kid. And then I assumed that, oh, I live, I work in a gym now and I'm touching weights and I'm around people all the time.  After I started using the hot cold contrast, it's, I mean, it was a dramatic difference for me. And people that I've got to actually do it and be consistent regardless if they would be quote unquote considered healthy already and making good choices, notice a big difference. Well, the studies do support that. They do support that. It's probably better for your immune system, better for resilience. I mean, it's something that people in some countries do. To the point where there's some Eastern European countries where it's snow is outside and for recess, the kids. They jump in the snow. They jump in the snow, they put bathing suits on. They, you know, I know in, I don't know what culture is. I know it's an Eastern European culture where it's totally customary. When you give your baby, no joke, a bath or whatever, you do a cold rinse at the end with their children. They use with babies and with children. Well, you remember that with Kyle? Kyle's son didn't have never even had a warm bath ever. They trained him from day one that way of nothing, but, you know, cold water. And remember, don't you remember that the first time he took him out to the ocean and we were talking about, oh my God, it's freezing. That's North Cal ocean. I remember that. You don't remember that? Yeah, his kid by the time he was three, four years old had never even had a warm shower, but warm bath before. Wow. Yeah, he'd only had him in cold the entire time. Wow, wow. There's also a study that shows that, this is a short term effect, but if a man takes cold showers, his testosterone levels increase, I think over the course of 10 days, then they come back down to baseline, but you do get this initial boost into testosterone. That's another huge benefit that I think. I mean, do it and watch how alert and awake and how sharp you feel right afterwards. I mean, that's one of the, I mean, Tony Robbins is big on this, right? He does the plunge and jumps on the trampoline before all his talks. That's like one of his rituals that he does. He doesn't have any nitro effect. Oh, no, it'll wake you right up. And back to the original question with the shower, showers do a great job. Yes, it's nothing compared to cryo or an ice bath, but I'd tell you what, if you end every morning with the last minute to two minutes, all the way cold, no warm water at all, you'll see a big difference just from doing that alone. Next question is from Tyler McNeutrition. Any tips on knowing when to push a client to do more reps and when to back off? How do I know the difference between true physical exhaustion or them mentally giving up? Well, so here's the thing when you're training clients, you're training both, you're training both physical strength and durability and also their mental, their ability to withstand pain and to handle the training. And honestly, it doesn't matter which one, when I would train clients and I knew they could do more reps, but I knew that they mentally couldn't do more reps. Like I knew physically they could do more, but mentally they were breaking down. That's okay, we'll stop the set. And then what I do is gradually, slowly over time, I'll challenge that. Same thing if it was a physical limit, I'll gradually challenge that over time. But when you're training your clients, make no mistake, you're training the mental part as much or more than the physical part. Oh, this is, we kind of addressed this not that long ago about where we would use the slowing down the tempo. So here's an example like when, if I'm like wondering, oh gosh, can I push my clients or add more weight or add more repetitions? What I'll do is instead of risking that, because obviously if I add more weight or add more volume to the workout, I'm technically could put them at risk. And if I'm concerned about that at all, I'm always gonna go in the direction of slowing down the tempo and going that way first before giving them more in the workout, whether that be more sets and more reps or more weight, I'll challenge them that way. And you can still get the mental benefits of pushing them through that. I think this is why this is like such a more intimate experience and people realize because we're so like as trainers, the good ones really try to hone in on everything that makes this person tick in terms of their body language, their energy levels, the feedback they're giving you verbally. Like you're picking up on all these cues constantly as you're presenting them these challenges. And so you can start to read them really well based off of like whatever they're dealing with at work or the conversation where that's going, okay, they're really high stress right now. And so you just start adjusting things for them without really them having to say it once you get really in tune with that person. I just think that that's all part of the experience of training somebody is to really look further into the signs of what they're providing you. And so you gotta be very present in those sessions with that person to do a good job with that. But it's experimental. So I mean, you're gonna see the wincing and all these signs of pain and discomfort and all that. And so you kind of back off, but then you could tell if they're faking it or if it's something like, you know, that you could kind of joke about and kind of make them more comfortable with and educate them on, well, let's kind of push a little harder or back off. Or you're just gonna know a lot more than them because they're providing you all the feedback. Yeah, you know, it's funny is that I just remembered this. This is a skill you develop as a trainer and clients would always comment on this. In fact, my son did a few weeks ago where I was training him and I'll say something like seven more reps and he'll be like, oh, I could do way more than that. I'm like, let's stop at seven. And then he'll get to seven and he'll be like, how did you know? Yeah. How did you know I could only do seven more? That's a good point. And clients would say that to me all the time. To see whether they're moving. How do you always know that I can only do this many or how many reps I can do? You can tell. You can. And it's a very hard, it's hard to explain how you could tell. Well, there's subtle cues I can give you hints like, so it's natural default. What people will start to do is it gets, it starts to get challenging. They'll speed up the repetition, right? So they go, like maybe you told them, oh, four seconds on the way down to, you're kind of telling them. To start making more noises. Yeah, yeah, right. Or they'll start to form, we'll deviate. You start to see movement in the elbows of the shoulders depending on what exercise we're doing. So you'll see them starting to, they're trying to cheat for leverage. And it'll be just the most subtle thing you'll see at first before it gets bad, right? But you start to see those subtleties of them starting to cheat or speed up. And I already know, okay, it's kicking in and feeling we've got maybe three or five more. And you've seen that enough times and you can pretty much guess that as a trainer. Yeah, it's always a lot of fun to be able to do that and for clients to be like, how did you?  Yeah, no, I'm just a wizard. Next question is from John Wilmoth. For each of you, what has been your favorite body weight and why? Your favorite body weight. Oh, geez. When you were the thick. Yeah, so my weight has been as high as 238. And I'd say, I mean, besides when I was a kid, as low as, I forgot my weight was when I got really, really shredded for MAPS anabolic. It must have been 182 pounds or something like that or 180 pounds, which was way too lean, way too light. Definitely didn't like that. 238, way too heavy. I feel good when I'm at a good lean, strong 195. That just feels the best for me. It's when my weight feels the most comfortable. I'm typically pretty strong at that body weight. I'm lean enough to where I like the way I look. My mobility is good. Right now I'm sitting at, I don't know, 206, 207. So I'm a good 12 pounds heavier than I would say my favorite body weight. Yeah, that's kind of a hard question to answer because like you, Sal, I've gone extreme both ways. And that number fluctuates for me for as light as, I think I hit stage for nationals at 199. And then I've been as heavy as 240. And I could honestly say that everything between there and probably up to 230, because once I got beyond 230, that's too much. It was uncomfortable. Even when I was like shredded, it was uncomfortable. So between 200 and 225 to 230, I've got a, I've been my happiest if that, like so it just all depends on where my body fat is, my mobility is at that. I've had incredible strength, low body fat, good mobility as high as 230 ish. And then I've had the same thing all the way at the very bottom. And so to pick a weight that I was happiest, man, I really liked my first, after my first pro show, I was 219 pounds and shredded. And I felt pretty amazing. I wasn't uncomfortably big. I hadn't like completely lost my mobility, definitely filled out everything I was wearing. But then I've also been like 205 were kind of like what you're alluding to Sal, like I definitely felt more spry. I could go play a basketball game. I felt like, right, when I get over 220, a lot of muscle, I don't feel like I can go hit the courts without potentially hurting myself or having a rough time.  That's the thing too, why I always tell clients, don't get so hung up on a body weight target, because I can literally show you the most mobile, the leanest version of you at all those body weights. So it's really a personal preference of what's easiest to maintain, I guess, like eating wise, right? That's one of the hard parts for me when I'm lean and big, 220, something. That's a lot of food I gotta eat. So that's one of the drawbacks, even though I may like the way my body looks, it's expensive and time consuming. Clothes don't fit very well.  It's just pants, yeah. You're wearing sweats all day. Terrible. That's all you're doing all day. Yeah, for me, I based it off of what sport I was in at the time and how I felt. So I would always try to get leaner into basketball season, coming off of football season. That was always tough for me because I would just start to get lean towards the end of the season. That's when I started to get my shot back and more athleticism, and I could run up and down the court, light on my feet, but initially, I was just stomping around, just slamming everybody under the hoop because I was just so heavy, just coming off of football. But it helped for football because the thing was, you would get pushed around, you would get punked if I was at my 210 or even something like that, where I felt like real athletic and spry, I would just get punked. And so I had to get up to 230 to 240, especially when I was inside backer, I had to put on a lot more weight, and I was just not mobile.  So I would say mine's probably around 215, where I still feel like I have some power, but a lot more athletic and mobile. How far are you off from that right now? Sal's 12 pounds off from what he thinks. Well, I'm kind of between like 227-ish, like around there. So yeah, see, I'm probably around, when I think I weighed myself the other day at 218 or so, so I'm right there, but I'm not the way I like to look, right? So my body fat percentage is higher, so that's why it's so different. I can look... Different composition. Yeah, I can look completely different at 218, and I've seen myself look a bunch of different ways, so it really depends. And it's funny too, if this question was asked when I was younger. Oh yeah, I'd have a number 40. Yeah, do you do 250? I like being 240, it feels the best. Huge, bro. Makes my ego feel the best. If I'm being totally honest, does not feel the best at all. Get gassed walking up a flight of stairs. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come check us out on YouTube. Also, we're all on Instagram, so if you want to contact us and check out what we're doing, look there, Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin, I'm at Mind Pump Sal, and Adam is at Mind Pump, Adam. Here's another reason why I think good social relationships are important. I'm a better person because I know you guys, versus if I didn't know you guys. Now, why is that? Well, first off, I want to be a better friend to people who are good friends to me, so that pushes me a little bit. There's also feedback that you get from other people.


About a year ago. I took a look at fedora quinoa in a long-term review I used it for about four months and I would not call that review positive at all in fact, I went so far as to call it a buggy beta-like mess and a lot of the blame for that Bugginess I did place on KDE, but I wasn't kind to the distro at all I used it for a long time and you could tell right at the beginning of the video that I was just fed up with that distro In fact, so far that I actually had uninstalled it before I even recorded the video I just wanted it off my computer now it has been like I said over a year since that video and With the prompting of George Castro the gentleman behind A lot of the mutable stuff that goes on in the fedora ecosystem So he's behind you blue and a couple other really big really interesting projects. He asked me Several months ago now to take a look at the you blue version of fedora quinoa and I have Had it installed on my laptop for several months. In fact, when I started Fedora 37 was the primary version of quinoa white now we're on 38 And I'm presuming that 39 will be here pretty soon So I've had it installed on my laptop for quite a while and I have some thoughts about it And I will say this first just before we even jump in But actually before I say anything if you leave a thumbs up on this video I'd really appreciate it would really help the channel But the first thing that I will say is that when I made my long-term review of quinoa white before I had a problem and my problem was that I really didn't get immutable distros I Understood some of the technical aspects of it But you could tell that I'd only spent you know a few months with it And it wasn't my daily driver and I really didn't understand what the hell it was going on And I didn't understand why an immutable distribution was good You could tell like I went through and rewatched this video I'll actually show you the video so you can see this was my video and pay attention By the way to this particular error. We're going to talk about that again here in a few minutes, but you know I You know I you made that video and I just I didn't know what immutable distros, you know really were good for And I will say that a year removed from that. I am a little bit more well versed on immutable distros I've used them more. I understand them them more. I understand the limitations and the benefits all that stuff I understand it more and I Not going to go so far as to say that I'm an expert. I am not one at all Still an eternal noob always will be one. So just We'll get that out of the way, but I understand them more. So I think that this long-term review that I'm doing today Even if we're not going to call it that will at least be a little bit more informed than the previous ones So with that out of the way, let's actually take a look at my laptop So I have a fancy dancing new capture card and I'm going to show you My screen on my laptop. So this is me doing stuff on my laptop Hopefully this actually works and as you can see this is fedora 38 kino white. That's the most recent you blue version Of kino white. I've like I said, I started with fedora 37. I've rebased to 38 uh Probably a couple months ago at this point now It's been quite a while since I rebased to 38 and I've been using it on this laptop ever since and overall Let's just start off with some of the positive things I will say this that it is much less buggy overall Than it was when I did my first long-term review. That's absolutely 100 true I had fewer issues when it came to actual getting katie plasma to be very stable And i'm happy about this. In fact, i'm using the wailin session of plasma right now and it works fine And it's you know displaying the output onto another computer fine. It will do screen capture just fine It's worked very good. In fact, I've done most of my python course learning on this laptop I have this code here and all the stuff hanging out on another activity And it's just worked out really really well. It's overall it's been a very very stable experience Way better than it was the last time I looked at kino white So I have to question how much of that is the fact that this is the you blue version And how much of it is that it's not the actual official kino white version I don't know and I can't answer that question for you guys But just to know that the you blue version at least so far has been way way better In terms of stability than the original kino white was when I reviewed it over a year ago So just putting that out there in terms of stability because its ability was my primary complaint when it came to Kino white last time this time much better now I will say this and this is a big proviso is that they're different computers So the review I did last year was done on my main machine with multiple monitors And as you guys know, I always have problems with katie on this main machine This time I've been doing it on this laptop And that could explain some of the differences. I don't know that for sure But it's something that I want to be transparent about they are different computers So that's that now let's move on to just one thing Now if you remember I told you to pay attention to this here error Right and I go back here because One of the things that I spent a lot of time talking about in that initial review was that plasma Had some issues when it came to compatibility with the immutable file system And you always got an error when you're trying to install a global theme So one of the things that I had hoped was that that would actually fix So if we go to settings here, we go to appearance and then we go down to Install new theme and then we restart this to Highest rated first and then we scroll down just it doesn't really matter Which one we use we just go ahead and install this one here It doesn't matter And then it'll do this thing and then it'll ask for your password It'll do that here in a second. It will take a little bit So you'll enter your password and enter and then you get the exact same error as a year ago It's their different version fedora. So the fedora that I used in the review was 36 I believe this is 38 and we're still having the same plasma problem that we had on a year ago So why that is I still don't know there's something to do here I'm guessing and this is just me being you know 100 guessing is that there's some kind of incompatibility between Plasma and actually using this on an immutable distro. I'm guessing that that's the issue How you'd go about getting around it because I did it actually install One theme. I don't know how I did it. That was ages ago Actually, it's gonna it's still technically going on in the background and then you get the the error again and Eventually, maybe it'll pop up. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't In fact, I've only had it pop up as installed one time with the Dracula theme I don't know what's going on there. It doesn't make a lot of sense But that's honestly the only bug that I came across in terms of using this day to day It was a big bug because I liked to customize my plasma And the fact that I wasn't able to do so at least much I did finally get the Dracula theme to kind of work But it's not all there. There's some things that are blatantly missing They're using the wrong icon theme for whatever reason. I'm not sure why that happens But it's there. But honestly, that's the biggest bug that I noticed So the thing that I need to talk about today is the differences that I've noticed between The stock kina white image that you would get by downloading the iso from fedora and rebasing A silver blue install to kina white from a u blue image, which is what I've done here So this is a u blue image of kina white now if we go to firefox down here I actually have loaded up all of the images that u blue offers and they offer Way more than they did the last time I look at u blue. There's a ton of them here And a lot of them are duplicates that that are meant for different scenarios. So whether or not you're using You know nvidia drivers or you're looking for something that's a little bit different, you know, a lot of them have Specific use cases for specific hardware specific development purposes and stuff like that So they have a lot of different desktop environments and use case scenarios in terms of Images that they offer now. I'm obviously using the kina white one Which is down here and they offer quite a few of these and these are the ones that I've used And this is how you update from the 37 to 38 you take this and you just rebase it And This computer actually started off on a stock image of silver blue Then rebased into the u blue version of kina white So the question I had at the beginning and one of the reasons why I was confused as to why George Castro asked me to take a look at this like what's the difference, right? It's just kina white That's what I thought it was but that's actually not true. And if we actually take a look And I'm going to switch here actually to my main computer just because that's where I have it open If we go here we can actually see that there are some differences between the regular stock version of kina white and what u blue has to offer so The one that I really have found myself using the most and if you've watched my channel for You know a few months you'll notice that i'm that i'm a big big fan of distro box And one of the things that they do is they install distro box By default so if I actually switch back to the the laptop here and I open up a terminal We can actually do distro box enter arch like so And then now you'll see I have an arch Linux distro box. I've been using that for certain things And you guys know I love distro box. So I like that particular change that was really nice to to see They also have an I hate I'm sorry to switch back and forth between this on you guys I'm still getting used to the whole having two machines in front of me kind of it's kind of weird But they also had add in all of the codex that you need in order to make fedora work with Basically everything Stock standard fedora does not come with that you have to add those things yourself So every ublue image already has this there's a whole bunch of udeb rules and service units So that allows if I am correct on this and I may or may not be again eternal noob But basically that allows for better hardware support for peripherals and stuff and probably more than that, right? The only times I've ever had to mess around with udeb rules is when I tried to get a Weird piece of hard hard work accessory to actually work. So when I was using a Not a steam deck, but a stream deck I had to add add udeb rules in order to get that to work So so the ublue version of fedora kina white comes with some udeb rules there They've also included a way to configure supported mice be a piper various other tools that they have a complete list of package to describe It also sets automatic staging for updates for the system now I think what this was supposed to mean was that updates happen Automatically then they say that for flap hacks as well Now I like I've been using this for months And admittedly my laptop is not on all the time. So I'm assuming that that has something to do with it But I never not once saw an automatic update I had to do them all myself now Maybe there's something that you have to switch on in order for that to work Not sure never actually looked into it because I didn't see this until You know, I was well into the to the project, but Not sure what I did wrong there But supposedly automatic staging and updates to flat packs happen twice a day So if we go back to the actual laptop here and we get out of the distro box The biggest differences that I've saw is that it feels like a more complete package It comes with a better version of the containerized system distro box then Fedora the regular fedora kina white does which comes with toolbox I've always preferred distro box over toolbox. It just feels more complete more user friendly the documentation for Distro box is better than toolboxes So I prefer that change and overall it's just felt like a more stable In coherent system than the stock kina white image Now the one thing I can't say is whether or not the stock kina white image has gotten better from when I tried it You know a year ago. I don't know. I haven't tried it. So I'm not sure But just using the ublue version of kina white for the last several months on this laptop Has been a very good experience Now one of the things that I should talk about That I was not able to talk about in the first video I made about this Is what immutable distros are good for and specifically what I've experienced running this as an immutable distro so as I've learned more about Immutability and all this stuff one of the things that I've come to realize Is that if you want a linux distribution that is really Literally set it and forget it you want an immutable distro My laptop has been has often goes through periods of Disuse so sometimes I don't even touch it for Six weeks, you know, it just sits there.  Now you guys got to remember I come from A history of using rolling release distros and I've also used fedora in the past So I know that if you leave fedora for quite some time without updating it You're going to eventually find that there's a ton of updates to be had And for the most part it usually goes just fine even with regular stock standard fedora If you leave your laptop for a couple months and do an update when you come back to it It's probably going to be work just fine It's not arch linux and the fact that you can't go that long without updating something without having some problems It's not that bad But still, you know, I was a little worried But my worry was for nothing because it worked just fine when I came back fedora 38 was available And a whole bunch of flat packs were able to be updated The one thing that I will say about this is that and this is just a Generalized thing about apparently silver blue and kina white together It is that the updating mechanism at least the way that I understand it is kind of not together So if you do rpm os tree upgrade You're going to see that your image is somewhat updated But it doesn't catch everything which is disappointing And you'd think that it would but it doesn't so what I found actually was the best way to update your entire system Is actually to go to discover And when you go open up discover then there's an update tab here down here at the bottom it will say update And you can do all of your updates here now That did take a long time and I will say this that every time I did an update whether it was rpm Os tree upgrade or if it was through discovery my computer sounded like it was Going to start flying away You know because the fans were just absolutely insane while it was doing that I don't know if that's an experience. You'll have if you run it on a laptop But I will say it got very very loud and very very hot That that's I haven't really had that on any other distro So that's just something that I thought I thought would mention and I know I've kind of Meandered away from the immutable aspect of all this stuff, but I'm going to talk about it more here in a second But you guys should be 100% used to me just rambling through my videos By now if you've watched my videos before so anyways the update mechanism does seem a little bit You know all over the place So just if you're going to use quinoa use discover because it's going to encompass everything on the system Not only regular application updates, but also it'll get you to fedora updates and What I was actually surprised about something that I hadn't realized that the kd devs had back baked in Was the ability for them to do firmware updates. So you can actually see I have a uef i Update there now it also did a bios update and an intel firmware update All that stuff did it worked really really well It was very surprised because that doesn't happen on every Laptop and it worked actually fairly well on this one. So I was quite happy with it So like I said if you want a distribution that is really really set it and forget it And you don't have to worry about having to constantly work You know pay attention to where the upgrades are and all that stuff an immutable distro is where it's at It really does work well for just putting it on a laptop and it just Working I've been very very very surprised at that because when I heard about the whole immutable thing And we first started learning about it, you know as a linux community One of the things I heard and one of the things that I kind of understood to be true was that it took away some of the freedoms that you had to Mess around with your system because because the read the the file system the base root file system is Read only right. You're not supposed to mess around with it and that Affects what you can install it affects what you can customize it affects what you can mess around with all this stuff, right? It just it feels more limiting than a traditional linux distro But as I've used the immutable aspect of kina white for the last few months and on several other tries with immutable distros One of the things that I've come to realize is that if you use the tools that they provide you None of the immutable aspect of your distro actually means anything to you So if you use distro box or toolbox, it doesn't really matter And you use that to install the things that you need to install that would normally have to be installed at a root level You're going to be good to go because that's what you're supposed to do You're supposed to use these containerized environments like that's just rocks or toolbox to Do your stuff in those environments instead of messing around and installing it on your base system That's what those containerized packages using podman or docker are supposed to do That's why they're provided for you. And like I said, I prefer distro box But toolbox does basically the same thing. It's just not quite as well fleshed out I don't think as distro box is but the point remains is that that's where you're supposed to do The things that you would normally do in your root file system You're supposed to do those in those containerized environments And back when I first did that quinoa review a year ago I didn't know what distro box was. I knew that toolbox existed, but I didn't know how to use it And some most of that was my fault for lack of research But also it just the documentation at that point was really bad It's gotten a little bit better since then But the idea behind using this alternative You know containerized system just didn't make sense to me at the at that point now these days I'm a distro box fanboy. I know exactly how it works And I understand the benefits of using it not just to get applications that you can't get otherwise But also the ability to on an immutable distro have a fully functioning regular Root file system that you can do whatever you want with without worrying about the immutable aspect of it And it all this is containerized and you don't have to worry about messing anything up on your regular Distro the the the base level immutable distro you don't mess around with any of that stuff and you can therefore have Full control but in a containerized and well supervised and idiot proof way of messing around with stuff without having to deal with any of the the Horrible things that could happen if you were to say delete your etsy directory, whatever, you know I mean, so that's I think the primary difference I have now between a year ago is that I understand That that immutable aspect of your distribution isn't a limitation It's just a different way of using your your computer And add on top of it with the new technologies of distro box and you know docker and podman and all this stuff You can have the same experiences. You've always had but with less risk You don't have you don't have to worry about having to Always be careful with that underlying system because that underlying system is just there you don't touch it it has images of that base system And you continue to move forward with new images every time there's an update And you can go back and forward if you need to do different versions But for the most part you just simply use your computer and you don't worry about any of this stuff You just don't worry about it and that is what has been so good About this experience this time with kinaway is that I've just been able to use it now Like I said, there have still like I showed still some kde bugs that just you know, uh katie You're cute, but you need to figure your shit out, right? You know sometimes you Kde can't help itself, but to be buggy sometimes. That's just yeah, you're supposed to stay on there, bro but Anyways, you know, it's just it can't help it sometimes but The base level distro itself has been rock solid and very very good overall. Those are my experiences now Some provisos first off. I did no gaming on this machine at all. This is not a gaming machine has dedicated intel graphics. So Yeah, oh actually I lied about that. I'm pretty sure actually that I did I feel like I installed Hearthstone on this at one point or the other maybe I have Uninstalled it since then I don't really remember I've been using this for so long that I can't remember everything that I've done on it But I believe at some point I actually installed Hearthstone on it through either lutris or bottles Oh, you know, I bet you that's what that's where it was. I bet you it was bottles Yeah, it was it was a bottle that I installed this on so that's about the limit of my gaming on this machine So yeah, it worked fine on bottles because at one point I couldn't get Hearthstone to work on my open suzer machine So I had to come use Hearthstone on the laptop and it worked fine But that was the only gaming that I did so I don't have any gaming test or b-roll to show you guys In fact, I have no b-roll at all to show you guys You guys have just been staring at the neofetch of this before so for the entire video But overall, yeah, I didn't do any gaming on this. I've just been doing Uh python programming on this basically that's all I've been doing and it has been Like it's been a really good experience I and and this is gonna sound really weird coming from me if you guys Know me at all and you've watched any of my videos. You know that I'm not a genome guy like at all but I think From my experiences that genome makes a better immutable desktop environment for immutable distros than kde does kde just has these little Things that like the global thing that just don't Work for whatever reason now The global theme installation on a normal linux distribution doesn't always work either So maybe they just need to actually fix that instead of just ignoring it for the last five years You know, it's been broken ever since I came to linux and actually six years now and it hasn't been fixed So I shouldn't be surprised but it feels like it's truly broken on immutable distros And that's something that they should definitely look at. So it feels like genome would be a better choice but outside of those little bitsy pain points for the most part Definitely the ublue version of kena white has been better. It's been more cohesive been more stable And just overall it has worked better than the Original kena white did a year ago. Now, like I said, I can't tell you whether that kena white has gotten better Haven't used it So if that's something that you want to take me to take a look at again You guys can leave a comment in the comment section below and kind of let me know but overall Using kena white on a laptop has just been a very very good experience now One of the things I like about ublue so much and I've made a video on ublue before Just a very surface level, you know Kind of first look of ublue is that if I wanted to I could very easily go grab one of their other images and put it on yours if I wanted to use budgie Or if I wanted to use sway or if I wanted to use, you know, genome, I could do that very easily I just go grab one of those images rebase to it and within five minutes I'll have switched to that in your desktop environment. So that's what makes ublue really awesome And all of those images come with the benefits that they build in so the other They'll have distro box installed to all have the codex and stuff All put together in the package without you having to deal around with it. They'll have The flat hub and everything automatically enabled so that you can actually use flat hub Although Base level fedora has that now too, but when I first installed this they didn't so it's it's A good thing to have So you get all those benefits and the ability to switch back and forth between the different desktop environments Whatever you want if that's what you choose to do And I really like that project quite a lot and I'm just kind of happy that I've been using it for so long And it's just been a very good experience. So A very rambly video. I I'm fully aware of that but What else is new so that is it for this video if you have thoughts comments on Uh keen on what you can leave those in the comment section below. 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