What's up everybody Jason here for Jasper's case breaks calm We just hold out Jasper's PSA slab value pack break where you get three random packs per spot So what's a little hefty price at 300 but think of it as you're getting you know a PSA slab card for $100 a pack now We did have to do one filler so these customers share the bottom one these last five in a filler everybody else bought in straight up So I appreciate that so it's pretty simple guys here some of the previews some of the like these are like 20 cards in there out of 96 that you'll see preview there Some nice stuff there of course some hits as high as three four hundred dollars a slab each You know but good good value guys and a lot of big names in each pack and each one has one PSA card Now again, it's a 32 spot break. So what we're gonna do guys is there's 96 packs So we're gonna triple up the names So you got 96 names and 96 numbers will randomize the list of names and numbers and whatever number you pack You match up with is what pack you'll get and we'll open it up live for you here on this video So here's a dice really as a customer names. So we're gonna do is we're gonna copy this list and we're gonna triple it up. So that's one two three So that should be three times and then of course there's 96 numbers there. So let's roll it Got a two and a five seven times. Good luck one two three four five and two and a five seven times six seven seven times we got Steve Birch down to Travis So it should be 96 and then we got seven times here on the list of numbers one two three four five six and Was a seven seven times Pack 13 down to pack 86. So again What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna show the way the list came out on its own But then I'm gonna show the then I'm an alphabetized by customer name That way you can see what numbers you guys got in your pairings and then we'll go alphabetically from a Down to the bottom, but just to quickly show you guys the way it came out Because those are your numbers there. All right down to Travis 86 so It's alphabetized by customer names and Just really quickly Barry You got 1290 58 band with 28 415 been a page with 40 72 84 57 29 5 Chad you have 42 26 77 81 48 92 59 11 39 53 8 87 55 19 and 18 Chad writes 23 49 20 David 41 97 Eric with 262 and 35 Jared and with 10 645 Jared O'Malley did have a handful of them appreciate a man 47 51 37 96 67 80 78 38 44 52 188 27 73 and 50 Jason with 31 20 will four and 61 Jimmy with 94 63 70 Joshua Hoffman you have 34 333 91 65 66 Kyle with 95 75 43 Lonnie with 30 32 74 Nathan with 82 16 and 93 Patrick K with 64 83 79 Steve Verge with 13 85 46 21 76 69 36 17 and 56 Steve Locke 25 54 71 and Travis with 14 89 60 22 68 86 So that's how we're gonna go there guys and now quickly. I'm actually gonna print out these labels as well So I could just tag them bag them and tag them as we go All right, here we go guys. I don't promise you. Yeah, you could just fast forward to the end. It's just gonna be great Kind of ready now your position right? All right, everybody here. We go so Barry we're gonna start off with you, okay? It'll be 12. I'm sure they make this a little bit bigger We'll start with you. It's gonna be 12 90 and 58. Okay 12 90 58 Also, too, guys, it looks like Carl got a ton of teams in that definitive I'll stay and do that by the time I get done with this because if not I was gonna call it a night So that could be a quick easy break He got a ton of teams to bring down Definitive down to eight. So I'll stay and break that if you guys want Since this break will take like about an hour, so Pretty much will be free around 1030. So I'll do that if you guys want to sell it out. All right, here we go guys The good luck Barry your first one and well, there you go. You got a cell sheet here, right? Patrick Mahomes 2019 select die cut neon green prisms That is number 35 out of 49 So nice little first hit right there. All right, there's 90 and how about a little wander Franco? That is 2021 Bowman Chrome Fuchsia shimmer refractor PSA 10 and that is a number to 189 and here's 58 And wow nice two out of your three were sell. She did how about a Barry Sanders? 2019 prism franchise legend signatures blue ice and that's a PSA 10 number six out of 30 Solid three packs man. All right, so there you go, buddy. So we just Died them and tagged them just like that next one up is Ben was 28 for and 15 for Good luck, buddy. There we go and a mason mount 1920 tops UCL Sapphire edition PSA 10 rookie or not a rookie. I should say 16 slab 4 Little Juan Soto tops update rookie PSA 10 That's nice. I have a couple of these 15 and a nice Michael Porter, Jr. Choice blue yellow green From prism choice PSA 10. All right. Thank you, Ben Now Bennett You're coming up next. I Believe you got six. That's 40 72 84 57 29 and 5 40 72 84 57 29 Well Rex when you want as many times as the Yankees have and and having won in you know 13 plus years and kind of choke every playoff series you go to since then That's the kind of fans. You're gonna have Rex. They really want to win. That's all and I think if you were a Yankees fan you'd be upset with judge to the way he's been playing But today he got a home run though. They're coming wrong, but Like I said, you have to win at the end of the day. Don't matter what you do in the regular season Even if it's historic, you just you've got to win in the playoffs And the Yankees do not do that as of late So I wouldn't consider them the worst fans Rex. They're just upset with the team Kenny holiday. That's a 2017 prism rookie autograph little Kenny G and it's a PSA 10 with an auto 72 Michael Tuglaia, and that's a three of five little bowman's first and that's a red Refractor PSA nine. I think that was also a sales sheet. I seen got you to the world series Rex. What are you talking about? and a Matthew Lugo bowman draft PSA nine out of 150 57 And a very nice LeBron James. That's his first Lager prism The Lager uniform that is a prism blue PSA nine Number two one of the nine. I know Rex, but you know what? I just don't think you're such a passionate fan then You could be upset at your teams are not performing. They got to get booed man. They deserve it How do they not win? How do they not win this game? Juan Soto Montgomery club set one rookie PSA 10 The last one in your pack five. What up, Carl? Nice Jalen Brown. That is a rookie mosaic blue PSA nine Very solid. So like I mentioned, Carl, I don't know if you heard earlier, but thank you for buying those teams in definitive Like I said, I'll break that tonight. If you guys sell it out Um, that'll be the last break. I'll do tonight So if you guys sell it out, which actually sorry, I think I spoke too soon. Carl sold it out We'll break that next after this And I just seen that I spoke too soon Carl I think you man. I appreciate it man All right, coming up next is Chad. Got a couple as well And by a couple, I mean a good amount Thank you Chad. Good luck So we got a big list of numbers here 42 26 77 81 48 92 59 11 39 53 8 It's 87 55 19 and 18 I'll grab all those numbers right now. So 42 26 42 77 We got 81 48 92 48 22 59 11 39 39 And we got 53 8 87 Yeah, right. They're nice I have some of that in the ig room too that we got 87 All right, then last three right here 55 19 18 All right. So there you go. That's all your numbers there You lost a row Here we go. Good luck Chad Jason Dominguez Uh bowman sapphire chrome prospect aqua number 299 PSA 9 26 Little John Morant pink camo PSA 10 NBA debut rookie 77 Little kevin love rookie photo shoot autograph And it's a PSA 9 81 A little yorn on alvarez gold gold 2020 tops Number to 2020 of course 48 A little mat manning bowman's first Detroit PSA 10 rookie or first I should say the 499 refractor 92 dodgers with a wild pitch and they score or podgers with a wild pitch three nothing now And I have a little ronokunia jr. That's a PSA 10 1983 chrome promo pack Very very nice 59 Little joey v mosaic rookie PSA 9 Little herby PSA 9 rookie from prism and marquise hollywood brown little xrc select silver rookie PSA 9 53 Calden johnson PSA 10 silver prism rookie for the spurs great player there And a little lamella tick a lamella lottery ticket PSA 10 rookie. All right a couple more We got a job morant nice red green choice PSA 9 rookie And a cambo walker. How about 2012 prism rookie autograph? That's PSA 9. Don't see too many cambo walkers like that charlotte bobcats Two more to go Nice james wiseman. He looked good in uh summer league That's an orange ice PSA 10 And last one here Another lamella this time. It's a PSA 9 lottery ticket There you go I was one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 13 14 15 slabs right there, man Just give me a quick minute. I mean Tag him and put him away Yeah, I mean I think uh If you hadn't done something like this in a while one of these like value packs You know so It's so pretty fast. Honestly rex it did It's just a filler is the one that kind of stuck around but Yeah, we usually do stuff like this, but our packs are a little different We only do like 30 packs and it's like 600 dollars a pack. So it's a lot different I think people don't mind this though because I mean you're guaranteed to get a nice little slab And the majority of these are probably almost around a hundred dollars in value some of them probably a little under Probably 50 to 75 a slab But the majority of them are probably almost break even And of course you'll have a couple of them or like the sell sheets that are probably worth more than 100 to 3 400 dollars I did it though, right? Isn't that funny? The IG hit high guy Maybe we could do almost smaller increments. Maybe like a 30 pack one rather than like a 91, but Some good good stuff here though regardless All right, well that should actually trim us down a good amount I think we've done what 27 packs so far we had 96 so we're a little One third one one third of the way there All right chat, right you're coming up next 23 49 20 23 49 20 Nice little hoolio. I think that was a sell sheet 2020 bowman sterling refractor that's graded to 199 and it's a ps8 10 made an amazing Amazing catching out in the center field earlier today It just couldn't get it done Little patrick willins pat willings should be healthy this year as well prism choice blue yellow green ps8 10 and 20 and a little riley green bones first chrome refractor ps9 Thank you chat. All right, we'll get some more of these All right, let's continue out David You're up next That is 41 9 and 7 41 And a little justin harbert select certified rookies ps a 9 From 2020 select 9 Nice tyler hero. That's a rookie ticket from contenders ps a 9 Nice jaylen brown. That's a prism mosaic rookie autograph and it's a ps a now This is where they got the The idea for mosaic basketball They first introduced it as prism mosaic And it was so popular that they said, you know, well, how about we just make it mosaic? So I think seven I think the first year they did it was like 15 16 or 16 17 and then 18 19 was the last year put luka then they created mosaic All right, David. Thank you man. All right. Next one eric with three two 62 and 35 to 62 We have an anthony edwards silver prism ps a 9 nice year me benya He just hit a home run to get the astros to the nl or alcs That's a sapphire edition autograph ps a 9 Great time to get that. Look at that And a little bit on just rookie ps a 10 from chronicles That is a uh elements or Essentials I should say rookie. Oh, there's chad We know you would have you have to say that chad Their youngster got it Got it done All right, so jared is up next jared n And that's 10 6 45 10 It's okay chad. Let it out. Let it all out right now. It's a good time event Let it out. Let all the frustrations 10 6 and 45 6 45 There we go. Nice. How about that lebron james? That's an orange fluorescent ps a 9 I love these fluorescents. That's three out of 25 Nice patty mohomes aqua optic That's a ps a 9 number to 2 99 and 45 nice tatum Donner is rated rookie ps a 10 What's going on carl? Sorry. What do you mean? Holy? What? There you go, man Thank you jared Here we go coming up next is jared And uh, we got a good amount of slabs coming up right here So 47 51 37 96 67 80 87 or 78 sorry 38 44 52 188 27 73 and 50 these are the slabs we got coming up About three at a time. So that's 47 51 37 47 51 And we got 96 67 80 Oh 96 be careful, man Uh 67 and 80 78 38 44 We got 52 188 52 188 And we got 27 73 50 Lamello lottery ticket. That's a ps a 10 this time though. It's very nice Nice ronald acunia jr ps a 9 rookie 37 There's the hulio hulio rodriguez. That's 2019 bowman mega box chrome ps a 10 96 Little tray young rookie from select ps a 10 67 Nice alexis laffernier Uh, 2020 upper deck ud canvas young guns rookie. That's a ps a 10 That's actually pretty nice 80 Doing pretty well here so far jared We got nico hornier. That is a 2018 bowman draft chrome draft picks ps a 9 first Oh, no, the Dodgers are in a jam. They just gave up a run Looks like an error Jesus 78 Little vlady jr. Little cp a refractor ps a 10 Look at the vlady. This is a missing card number short print So look up missing card numbers a little different from just the base It's a ps a 9 44 lamello variation prism rookie ps a 10 very nice hits coming out for you jared 52 And that is a no a song bowman's first black refractor ps a 10 ps a 9. Sorry. That's out of 75 one Mike trout 2012 heritage technically Uh, I don't know if you had a 2011. I remember this one was always selling for a lot ps a 9 The second year trout technically He might not have come out in heritage in 2011 boba shot yellow ps a 9 rookie All right, three more and I have to tame them red ice ps a 10 from prism 2018 lubeb sapphire edition rookie bowman chrome ps a 9 And last one here, buddy. Good luck Nice joe adal that is a short print rookie from 2021 tops ps a 10 All righty There you go jared. Thank you, sir So i'll quickly tag all of these And then we'll continue on So I think we're more than halfway there now guys. That was 54 packs so far. So I think we're getting there. Ah fair of all. Geez I've never seen kim so happy Geez he doesn't do anybody hits a nice get gets a nice hit finally Jason jason jason. There you go 31 24 61 24 All right, so 31 24 61. Here we go dylan carlson bowman draft picks autograph ps a 9 Soto has the green lights that just hit him at He's gonna hit that shake ain't gonna bun it 24 Stargazing ps a 10 hollow lebron james 61 Nice jaren diran. That's a bowman's first sapphire edition ps a 9. I know but that's not soto though matt He wants to get that wants to get that home run base hit Does he actually even know what about And exactly why he has the green light matt just drove in two runs now Or one run I should say Exactly All right jimmy 63 Oh 94 63 and 70 63 and 70 So 94 63 70 Not only for my 10 to 1 bet though, but here we go Um, I'm gonna be a cleaning guardians fan, baby cleaning guardians, baby That's all we're root for If they advance of course, which they're on the brink too tray young ps a 9 I want the MLB to have the worst ratings ever wander franco bones first ps a 9 and a novelli marté Speckle refractor Bowman's first PSA 9 I mean, I love the Dodgers too. I'm just not as super passionate about them I'm more of a hockey football guy. So yeah, I mean, I got my eagles going with them Kings didn't start out the season well, but they just went on a crazy shootout today in 176. That's good but You know I don't I don't want to see the Dodgers have the most one of the most historic season then losing the first round either, but you know I guess that's what happens, right? All right, so there you go, jimmy There was your three hits there They can get on machado and and leave the seventh inning tie. That's a big big plus All right, josh was coming up next and I think believe has six packs, right? for 34 333 91 65 66 No rex, you know why because you're rooting for them up schwarber has a horrible Horrible playoff series and Philly's just losing the next round But no, I don't really care for that rex to be honest If I was if I grew up in Philly, of course, I'd be very happy for that All right, so 34 333 Any team you root for rex? I got to go against them at 91 65 66 165 66 Well, you're rooting for the Dodgers right now because you don't want jota banning tomorrow if you you say the wrong words All right, here we go Tatum rookie from panini hoops PSA 10 No, I've always I honestly rex thought you know everything aside I I love swan soto ever since he's been at the league to be honest I really hope that the dodgers would have traded for him, but You know, I still think there's an opportunity. Oh, what a catch by freddie freeman Uh, I still think there's an opportunity for him to still come to LA to be honest I don't know if he's actually gonna stay inside with san diego I feel like if that was a case he would have done it already But san diego is definitely going to be pressuring on this offseason because if not, what are they going to do? Um, so that's a silver patrick williams psa 9 You know Because I think he's kind of like on trade turn a deal like last year with the dodgers So sign him for half a season a year and a half basically and then he's a free agent And I don't know if he truly wants to be in san diego But we'll see And we got andre von refractor bones first psa 10 And then if the if the if the raiders also lose this weekend rex Man, you do not want to be in the chat chatting Think anything that says rex you might just ban you Lamello court kings psa 10 that is also a rookie and that is a level three actually a very very nice one 65 Ben Simmons silver prism rookies psa 9 man at one point ben Simmons. He was so expensive, man Just because he was all exclusive to upper deck So the only you can get is like prism rookies and silvers and stuff like that colors Remember to stuff so for so much And a little show time show. Hey, oh tani bowman rookie psa 10 All right Just just just have a little burner account rex Just making an account that says this is not rex And then you can actually chat with him just to be safe, you know But joe definitely I think is more passionate about baseball than anything honestly Baseball and football for him, I think He loves his Lakers too obviously basketball, but I think baseball for sure is number one for him 575 43 95 cj abrams bowman's first Rookie refractor psa 10 75 Wander franco sapphire edition orange 2020 bowman chrome That's number 275 psa 9 And we got a cooper cup prism silver psa 9 and watch the new andor series rex Maybe you want to talk about that it has to be over 54 right bet I don't know is it gonna shock us and just be a low-scoring game. I really doubt it That friggin playoff game is just gonna set us up for something similar to that, right? And I think Where are they are they can't say they're in the buffalo All right, so Lonnie's up next 30 32 74 30 32 34 I honestly would be shocked if it if if it's under honestly, I think it should go over I mean the bill's been scoring like two seconds I mean both teams were scoring like two seconds honestly But you know bill's of course like last week with that gabriel davis touchdown 98 yards and you know obviously used to have digs alan reyne of all All right, we got mark vientos 2017 bowman draft first psa 9 I take buffalo I think buffalo should win. I think they're gonna get revenge kbj. That's a 2019 rookie kevin porter jr. From crown royale. That's a psa 10 man He's getting psa 10s. It's pretty strong And that is number to 75 very nice hit We got nico hornier gold psa 9 What uh, what is the line for the cowboys Eagles game later matters is still four and a half I think it opened up at like six and a half then five and a half and I think now last time I see it was like four and a half, but it might be five and a half Oh, man. Padres are gonna win What a total meltdown, dude all right um Nathan jones is coming up next and we're in the 70s guys. We're almost there Stay on target 82 16 and 93 Good thing my eagles my ally had to eagle green, you know We got a zion williamson far out fast break rookie insert harbert nfl debut green mosaic psa 9 little van jaffers and championship ticket at 25 psa 10 That's a variation as well All right, thank you, Nathan So yeah guys by the time I finish this I should be done in the night gonna be 15 minutes by the time I put everything away Just just definitive is gonna go off guys and then we'll probably call it a night So like I said, we're almost there All right patrick you're up next That is 64 83 79 lubeb rainbow foil psa 10 phenomenon rookie psa 9 and a taric um atomic refractor bones first psa 9 out of 100 All right, Steve Burgess up next. I think Steve got quite a few actually Pretty much is gonna bring us down to the end actually Steve birch. Yeah, Steve birch got 9 so three orders there So that is 13 85 46 We got 21 76 69 and then 36 17 56 All right, here we go 13 That is a tigress haliburton autograph rookie contenders ticket premium PSA 9 that was a very nice one. That's a couple hundred bucks. That was like 300 plus in our store That's a solid one right there pays for one of those packs or one of those spots We got a blaze jordan chrome prospect sapphire psa 10 We got a little vladdy. That's a Montgomery club rookie psa 9 Zion rookie prison psa 10 little jordan love red raider rookie 1099 psa 9 69 Nice, there's the jalen hurts. That's a rookie blue psa 9 from nfo honors number 11 of 15 very solid 36 Lu Lu psa 9 rookie from select 17 Nice lu bobs. That's a rookie tops chrome psa 10 autograph Solid here right there 56 And a little gardener mint you how about a blueway psa 10 rookie to 199. All right, there you go, steve rich Hope you're feeling better, buddy All right, so let's quickly tag these And then we're down to just two people guys two people Think it's a steve lock coming up and then travis d would be the last ones Alrighty, here we go. So steve lock you're gonna have the last three here and then the rest are travis 25 54 71 so 25 54 71 Here we go. See you. Good luck, buddy Joe borough rookie introductions mosaic psa 9 Nice christian mccaffrey on the trading block, baby. That is a stained glass from prism 2017 psa 9 that's actually pretty nice And 71 And a little lamello lottery ticket from contenders psa 10 Solid couple packs right there, buddy Alrighty and the last of the packs here we go We're here at the finish line and an hour and 15 minutes in All right, so travis with 14 89 60 22 68 and 86 so again 14 60 62 68 86 Noice Good luck travis cd lime xrc prism redemption psa 9 to start us off Lou bob rainbow foil psa 10 rookie Little drew waters bowman chrome first blue refractor psa 9. That's number to 150 There's a second round pick three more We got a gold press proof out of 50 chase young psa 10 Oh, it's starting to rain over there in san Diego man. They might postpone. They might might just push this game back Jaylen brown prism psa 9 Man, it is pouring dude. They're gonna stop this game right now and 86 And last one here is a ryan mount castle nice bowman chrome first psa 9 Of course first round pig as well Alrighty folks, and there you go. That was the break. That was jasmine's psa slab value pack break Unfortunately, no recap If you want to see what you got of course just watch the replay and you see your designated time once we went by alphabetical order, so Really appreciate you guys. So basically guys my night's pretty much done. I'm gonna End this video print out the labels and then for people that are watching of course live We're gonna go through the orders really quick see Uh, who sold out definitive which I think it was carl and then we'll do definitive and then we'll call it a night So again, appreciate you guys jasmine's case breaks.com Thank you


Hello, welcome to theCUBE's presentation of Unstoppable Domains Partner Showcase. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE here in Palo Alto. We've got some great guests here on this panel. Talk about DeFi, the relevance of it, the importance, and all the major things happening in the changing world of finance and decentralized web, which is web three, great wave here going on. We've got Jamie Roginski, founder of Wall Street Bets and strategic advisor of Wall Street Bets app. Great to have you on. We've got Michael So, partner head of business development cook finance and Mike Morlitz, CEO of DeHive. Gentlemen, thank you for coming. I'm super excited about this panel conversation here in the Unstoppable Domains Partner Showcase. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having us on. Thanks for being here.   You had now the operationalizing of crypto applications. Blockchain, I'll say the price of Bitcoin has been gone great. Everyone's been making a lot of money but it's really about the fundamental change of users. And DeFi and decentralized finance has been one of the tip of the spears here for the terms of change because money's involved. And that's the shift here. So before we get into it, I want to get you guys to help me define what is DeFi? What if someone says, Hey, what's DeFi? Everyone wants to know what's DeFi? What does it mean? What is DeFi? Well, I think it's still being defined to be quite honest with you, right? Like it stands for decentralized finance, but for the most part it's figuring out a way to use these crypto coins, tokens, assets, DAOs, dApps, this that and the other to try and integrate this worldwide transactional, parallel ecosystem to traditional finance, right? So I'd say for the most part, you're able to transact, send money, buy things, invest it, generate interest rates, et cetera. So is it a new money system? Is it an architecture? How should people think about this? Because to me, it seems like a whole nother stack, if you will. It's not a word stack, tech stack, but it's really more of a different thing. People still scratch their heads. So do I, is it help me? Does it hurt me? What's the, how would you explain it to someone who's like saying, Hey, I got a bank up my app on my phone. What's the difference? Yeah, to me, there are three things that define DeFi. You know, one is the fact that it is non-custodial, meaning there is no counterparties who take hold of your money and decide when they want to release it back to you.  Second is the fact that, you know, where the value of transfer happens in track by traditional finance. You know, you would see how the actual transfer may not even happen actually outside of a particular location, such as, for example, a centralized exchange. However, on DeFi, you can clearly see that how the value of transfer happens on chain, on Ethereum, on Avalanche, you know, on other chain as well. And third and last, you know, to me is how the organizations define what decisions, what setups are to be made within, right? For example, you know, DAO, you know, the centralized autonomous organization, they will actually use the communities to define how things can be decided. So that's one way to see it. Yeah, it's interesting. As all these protocols and the tokens and infrastructure, Mike, this is the complex system going on here. It's the plumbing, right? I mean, it's a money system. You know, how decisions are made, you got communities involved in there, you got actually mechanisms for immutability and security, you got application developers. So you got to kind of think of like an operating system here to make it all work. What's your take on this whole impact of what is DeFi relative to the, what people see on their phones as just an app or just some finance app? There's a lot of stuff going on under the covers. Yeah, I want to totally agree with Michael because it's all about one point of entering to a web free year. I have just my personal key and can use all my wallets, get access to my funds from different point in the world. And I just have entered to all this applications, all this huge amount of services and monies. The second general part for me is that it's all about smart contracts and not intermediates here. Then people want to cooperate on many ways to each other on stable coins, yeah? And this is just smart contract and one person from one other side and another person from other side. That's it. It's all about DeFi ecosystem in the second, in two words.  I mean smart contracts is critical to this. You got to have the infrastructure. You got to have the user behavior. This is why it's important. Can you guys weigh in on some of the things on the importance of DeFi and where we are right now relative to progress? Because even just in the past two years, the cultural shift of DeFi has changed a lot. Where are we right now in DeFi? Can you guys share your perspectives on progress compared to the evolution of where it will go? So I think that DeFi has definitely made a lot of progress in with regards to adoption, not only by retail participants, but also by institutional ones, right? They're warming up to the idea of these, first of all, from Bitcoin or whatever these larger ones that have more proven track record and they're starting to experiment more and more from taking crypto transactions, et cetera. But from the retail standpoint, it's also made a lot of progress. I'd say the biggest benefit to the DeFi world is community, right? It works because it's decentralized, which means one of the requirements is a lot of participants. But one of the hindrances, which is one of the biggest ones has kind of been in the way is the usability, which although it's improved a lot, it's still not ready for the mainstream user that's used to just one click, buy it, whatever. Don't care to understand how things work. But those two worlds are starting to bridge, right? People getting comfortable, institutions getting comfortable, as well as retail participants not being scared away by the process. Yeah, I mean, that was just, I just asked you to follow up on that, James. You know, mine is that that community user piece is huge. A lot of people in the old guard will dismiss things as meme, meme stocks, if you will. You know, we've seen a lot of the traction, but when you have communities moving at massive forces, that's in a way infrastructure, right? So you have behavior changes where you've got some peer-to-peer community happening, it can't be dismissed.  But at the end of the day, that's a behavior that is specific change. That points to it can't be dismissed. What do you guys react to that? What's your reaction to that? Right, we are actually at my firm, Cope Finance, we are actually at the forefronts of seeing that movement. So at Cope, you know, we label ourselves as composable finance. And one thing that we've seen is that our communities consistently will propose very interesting strategies, connecting different DeFi protocols together to basically execute on a portfolio execution that allows them to achieve certain objectives.  We are now at this point where we are simply providing an infrastructure, as you said before, but allowing, you know, the creativities from everybody to come together and let them mask the crowd wisdom everywhere, you know, to decide exactly what should take hold from a product perspective. So we're very excited about that. Yeah, and these are new protocols that need to be built. I mean, what does that mean, right? So how does software adapt to that? This comes into the question, I think why it can't be dismissed. Jamie, what's your reaction to that? Because you're in the middle of it, you see all these behaviors in Wall Street, certainly as an environment where there's a lot of activity because there's finance and all this money there, right? And again, a lot of that old money, old systems, now moving to the new, now global, et cetera, what's your take? Well, I mean, first of all, I don't think that one is going to move over to the other one. I believe there's going to be elements where they coexist, right? Traditional finance still has a lot of merits to it and it has a lot of use of practical applications, but they can feed off of each other. There's a lot of things that DeFi can learn from traditional finance and vice versa. So I think that we're just going to start seeing this convergence of these two different worlds. And I think it's extremely powerful, right? Because the way that you think about sequential and transactional systems that are centralized, right? Like it requires all sorts of mechanisms. For example, I know I'm speaking arbitrary, but like you have a market with an exchange in an order book with limit orders. And then you have the guy come in there and push market buy or sell pushes the price, right? That's the mechanism by which you see something flash on your screen. In the world of DeFi, there's additional mechanisms that have previously been impossible like automated market makers, right? They don't have order books and there's no counterparty. I mean, there is, but they're distributed. So the risk profile is really different. So like it's just a matter of rethinking and looking at all the advantages and all the benefits that DeFi has to offer. I love that whole point there because that's basically refactoring existing markets in the new way. And this becomes the next question is, is that okay, if you have like say unstoppable what they got this access through an NFT, which is super cool. It's kind of like an identity. The development environment is really key in all these big ways. Because if you think about what needs to happen next is you need more software developers or developers in general on this new paradigm, right? So with that in mind, how do you guys see the market of more innovation being developed on top of where we are now? Because that's the next key flywheel in this equation which is I need simplicity. I got to make ease of use and make reduce the time it takes to do things. And that's just going to come from development. So what's your guys reaction to where the wave coming in from a development standpoint? You mentioned smart contracts earlier, Mike, what's your, how do you guys think? Yeah, I am at that moment, I am thinking about the web free identity. It's very close to unstoppable demands doing because they are doing that you can connect by your domain to different apps, to different projects and so on. And the next step after that will be web free identity. I think there will be some custodial service when you will put your passport or verification service and you will get NFT identifying your, identifying your own. And then if you, with this NFT, you will go to every service which should be identified. For example, tomorrow will create new law about that all users for Uniswap should be identifying and you will using this identity NFT for using Uniswap. And I think it will be a huge amount of works for all web free applications and all this stuff. Michael, what is unstoppable matter? Why does unstoppable matter to DeFi? What's your take on that? Yeah, yeah. First of all, I have been a big fan of unstoppable since day one from the NFT domain rollout. But one thing that I'm super excited about unstoppable is the fact that it provides a digital identity exactly like what Mike said. And the fact that you can leverage unstoppable and the fact that the digital identity can be used in a different way than where we see the traditional finance they suggest owning all your PII, all the personal identifiable information. The NFT aspect allows only certain informations to be transferred but at the same time allow all the participants in the ecosystem DeFi or even Trefi institutional alike to only pick certain pieces such that they can still live within the existing framework. So I think that really is powerful in a way it bridges where the existing money of value transfer happens to where in the future how people can use a different infrastructure to perform the very same actions. Jamie, what's your take on the unstoppable position here relative to DeFi? Like I think unstoppable is in a really great position, right? The whole spirit of DeFi is to removing bottlenecks, right? Removing kind of choke points, which can either be, you know by some people choose to label that as the government but I choose to think of it as more as a technological, right? Like you have this distributed naming system and this idea of identifying yourself has uncalculable benefits, right? I don't think we're at the point here where we can just imagine it. Right now we start off by associating it with I'm gonna sign into a website with my username and password and this is the new version of that. That doesn't have any huge feel to it, right? But what's under the hood is what actually allows people to do a lot more things such as like being able to port these things across and interconnectivity on different websites and being able to have control over your data, right? Like to actually be able to open up markets for even being able to monetize your own data, right? So that when you sign into a thing you can just decide what things to share and what not, like there's so many ways that we can't quite yet imagine the use for this that I think that unstoppable is in an incredible position to take advantage of that. That's awesome insight. That's a great way to talk about it.  I mean, the traditional naming systems have been centralized. So if you look at that as an enabling platform, I mean, it's limitless possibilities. Again, you start initially with some problems, but there's real technical enablement here. So the last few minutes I'd love to pivot on that point and go what's possible with this D5 going forward? Because if you take that premise that you have this enabling system that people are going to kind of align with de facto and then ultimately maybe standard, what does that enable? Because you're now in a growth mode for the sector. Okay, which is innovation coders. And when you start seeing protocol start to become de facto, that's a good thing. So let's talk about in the last few minutes what's next for DeFi. Jamie, we'll start with you. What's your take on what's next? Cause you kind of teed it up. Take us through the, take a walk down that path. I think we hypothetical of course, but you know, let's take it, take a road. So, you know, I think that for starters, DeFi gets more powerful the more that people use them, right? So we're going to just start by saying there's going to be more adoption. So this thing is going to be more robust and more things can actually live on this decentralized plan. One of the biggest benefits of decentralization is it's robustness. So you think about like the worldwide web, it's really not a web. It's more like just like a pipe of data that's owned by a handful of companies and the internet and the servers that host and all these different things. We're already starting to see decentralized storage we're already starting to see decentralized networks, right? So that you're actually able to slowly start reducing those choke points. You're going to have this entire system where the world is interconnected where people can communicate without these choke points without being able to worry about censorship. You'll be able to have the world that's able to transact, interact and where you live is no longer going to be as much of a factor as it is today. Awesome. Michael, what's your take? What's possible? Where's it going? Yeah, I'll take what Jamie said earlier. I mean, using the AMM example, the automated market-making example. From our end, I think one of the defining moments was when Uniswap first roll out in the big way, it allowed many individuals to become market makers for the first time in their lives. And I think that's very powerful. It changes the dynamic as to where the, I guess, the forces and the power of finance lies. In addition to that, like I said before, I think many people would start to come with their own ideas as to how things can be executed from a finance perspective to achieve many different risk-reward profiles. So from that sense, I think it is only the beginning that now we are seeing how digital identities can be linked to an individual. And at the same time, also the value creation side of this story. All right, Mike, your take. What's that? I believe in two things. First, this is cross-chain and multi-chain liquidity. Because right now it's not simple way for transferring, for example, USDC or stable coin from Polygon to Cosmos Network. But I believe in common liquidity for cross-chain. And the second one is more user-friendly interfaces like hybrid interfaces and connecting DeFi and traditional financial startups like your ecosystem building now. Then you have layer one blockchain solution and then we have two applications who are connected to one application. More user-friendly and more common useless applications. Great stuff, guys. Amazing content, great panel. You guys are awesome. Great on the front range of this whole wave. We had one minute left, so quick lightning question. So in one quick statement, what one thing should people pay attention to in DeFi as we look at the next year or two as we go forward? What are the key innovations? What should people look at? It could be an area that's obvious. It could be an area that's not obvious that people should look at, pay attention that's super important, that is the most important area. Mike, we'll start with you and we'll go across. Sure, I would say one thing is composability. I really am excited about the fact that everyone is starting to generate ideas on their own and simply leveraging the existing DeFi infrastructure to allow that to happen. So that's one thing I would say. Jamie? Sorry, I think NFTs, right? NFTs, I'm not talking about the JPEGs or the pictures. I'm talking about the use of these technologies in much the same way that we were talking about being able to identify yourself online or buying actual real estate or whatever it might be. I think that we're unable to imagine what's gonna be some of the biggest uses and I'm very, very excited about seeing what's gonna happen. Okay, Mike, one thing should people pay attention to. To my mind, we don't know what market will be next year and I will recommend to pay attention for stable strategies, for stable coin projects, for stable rates and all this stable coin farming sphere for DeFi Marks. Guys, thanks so much for sharing your insight on this topic, really appreciate your time. We're coming into theCUBE here in Palo Alto for the Unstoppable Domains Partner Showcase. Really thankful, thanks for sharing. Thank you very much. Okay, the CUBE conversation here, I'm John Furrier, thanks for watching.