stopped. And as if by magic the recording started again. That's great. We'll thank you everybody that's been to the previous session and we're now moving on to our next speaker, obviously just to say another thank you there to Vvox who are sponsors for this session. I'm just going to get ready and upload the slides. Bear with me a second. And we'll be moving on to John Traxler and Matt Smith, although I think it's just John that's given the talk today that I'm sure he'll let us know. I'm just going to get his slides ready for you. And there we go. Okay, then John I'm going to pass over to you. Okay, thank you. Am I audible? You are audible. I can hear you. Right, that's all I need. And I can advance my slides, can I? You should be able to, yes. Right, okay. Well, thanks very much for the opportunity to talk to everyone. I'm not sure if the slides are legible, but I've actually annotated them extensively. So if anyone wants a much fuller copy that's legible on whatever side of the screen you've got, then just ask. Okay, it's supposed to start. Essentially, I'm reporting on a project that was commissioned by DFID, but mainly reflecting on the amount of thought and concern that it gave rise to. Ostensibly, it was about the role of learning technology in supporting education through crisis. And clearly the crisis in question is COVID-19. And I'm reporting on behalf of my colleagues Matt Howard and Sarah. And we were working with, well, it was the DFID EdTech Research Hub. Now it's not DFID and now it's not research and all of the politics around that probably tell you something just that I'm not quite sure at the moment what they tell you. So let me move that up. Okay, so some brief background to our project. It was commissioned about three months ago and we've just finished the first report. And they asked us to think about in the context of COVID-19, but also it's aftermath, you know, the so-called new normal we hear so much about and know so little about. Digital responses that would support the continuity of education systems. Sounds easy. And digital responses that would ameliorate the impact of COVID-19 of those responses. And that's where it gets rather more tricky. So clearly we can do a lot using digital technology to support education systems, but we then get concerned about people who already dropped through those education systems. And this was our major concern thinking this through. How the responses to COVID-19 actually further disadvantaged the disadvantaged. And we can kind of unpack what that might mean in terms of different cultures, peoples, communities, constituencies, and so on. The DFID phrase is marginalized. They have a language of their own and they have a style guide to go with it. And the readership was intended to be decision makers, local and national, and with and without good infrastructure. So it's kind of a muddled brief and they also mentioned early on something about South North reverse learning. Originally the idea being that what we would learn from initiatives in the Global South would help schools and systems in the Global North. As that actually isn't DFID's brief, I think that must have got dropped fairly quickly. One of the challenges clearly given that readership, the one about decision makers, was actually thinking about what they could as it were actually here. It's quite easy, well certainly very easy for me to get off on a rant, but I'm very conscious that they wouldn't hear that. And furthermore we needed to talk about what they could actually action rather than what sounded like motherhood and apple pie. We all need more teacher development so well. Okay, so that's some of the background. Ah, the methods. A systematic literature review, which is fairly straightforward. I mean it's, you know, supposedly objective and you work to a cookbook. And then some some Delphi sessions with a range of experts representing different kinds of expertise. So what in this instance I called minorities, which was someone with experience of working with Roma, with working with the San in the Mibia, with Australian Aborigines, with the Cree in Northern Canada and so on. And that was partly because I suppose the literature review, as it were, allowed us to read the papers we discovered to read the lines, but we were hoping the experts would allow us to read between the lines. And I think they did. And then some case studies that might have thrown some light on what we were getting. So that was that was how it was set up. Maybe the practice was slightly more complex. I mean, apart from anything else, I was conscious of if you like structure or difficulties, that the systematic literature review is likely to hit the usual suspects. You know, if you search on mobile learning global south, there's a fair chance you'll get as many hits as everyone else is getting and still have a lot of trouble digesting them. And I guess that resonated with a concern that a bearing in mind that everyone and their uncle is doing this stuff at the moment. You know, let's go DFID, USAID, IDRC, and various other bits of DFID that we could all be fishing in the same pool and not only duplicating our effort, but but enforcing a kind of group think, you know, getting involved in a kind of international development. But a more practical level, it was actually really quite difficult to get what we were looking for from abstracts, you know, depending on the breadth of the search terms, you might have 3000 hits or 300. But if at some point you've still got to read them through for what you really want to know. Certainly in international development, what you hear a lot of is the phrase unexpected consequences, and I happily provide examples of that, and multi causality. So that means if we were looking for successes that might have some relevance and transferability, the literature or even the reasoning behind it wouldn't actually tell you what caused that success. And actually also there's other biases at work, the bias in favor of success. You know, people by and large don't get promoted on the basis of their failures, which is why they don't write about them. And then a bias in favor of academic authors rather than activists, program managers, people on the ground, for example, whose funding is not around academic dissemination, it's around getting the job done. There is also, of course, a global pressure to write in English, because otherwise your university doesn't go up the international rankings. And what you're looking at when you're looking at research findings is what it was that funders chose to fund. So in a sense it's filtered by the research, by the funders' preferences as well as anything else. And then finally, in a more kind of philosophical sense, the marginalized are what is often called the hard to reach. And that's a kind of double whammy in the sense that they're not only hard to research about, but then there's hard to help. So they're kind of doubly disadvantaged by the nature of their hard to reach. Other people, well, myself included, might say that institutions like us are hard to reach, and what international development calls the last mile in terms of communication is actually the first mile if you look at it from the other end. So there's a lot of kind of language at work here that's problematic when you're trying to do something useful and practical. So did we have any findings? Yeah. Well, actually, one of the findings was the extent to which culture and context were overriding, paramount. But also, of course, by their nature, culture and context are incompletely documented. So if you're looking for causes somewhere buried in context and culture, you probably wouldn't find them because probably there had been research recognized or dotted. So in looking at what might work somewhere else, it's very difficult to see in a clear cut way what it was you could transplant, what idea, what technique could be abstracted from one situation and dropped into another. And I suppose actually on that basis, you could argue that the workings of multi-causality might mean actually it's just as useful as someone about failures as it is to tell them about successes. I guess you don't really know what caused either of them. Systematic introduction to reviews are hard work. Oh, sorry, I didn't manage to advance that slide. Right, I have done. Not that there's very much on that one.  Academic writing is really difficult to plod through when you're looking for something specific. Okay, but I suppose more importantly, and what might be more interesting than hearing about report, is what if you like, I'd seen as the emergent dilemma, I've hinted at it earlier, that responses to sustaining education systems risk increasing the disadvantage of those egged by them or oppressed by them or failed by them. And you can unpack that list. It might be nomads and indigenous peoples who national education systems are trying to sedentarize, or they might be people like the sand in Namibia who don't speak the nationally approved language. And that's making me think of, sorry, there was a program, but there was a film about Australian average in this called something like mile long rabbit fence, which makes that point about putting kids into state education systems. And there might be the disabled or people excluded from schools, but actually bearing in mind that most education systems only address primary education. This means that most people are in that category of being marginalized because most of them are not in those school systems, which in most countries in the global south stop at primary. So yeah, we were very concerned about how do you support education systems without actually exacerbating disadvantages of those people outside them. Did we have any answers? Not so easy. I mean, I suppose we'd make the point that actually many people in formal education systems, parents, learners, officials, teachers are actually inside the system and outside the system as well. And so they might on one hand engage with what DFID and the donors and the agents or ed tech, which basically seems to mean those systems like an LMS that are dedicated and sold specifically for working in formal education systems and inhabit that world of informal digital technologies. And so, yeah, one of our first observations was, as I've said here, most people have mobile access mobiles and through them, they're the portal, especially in the global south, to social media web 2.0, which have all sorts of benefits, bearing it of course that there are always people without those technologies. But those technologies are owned, quote unquote, familiar, accessible, controlled by everyone. And the technologies we're talking about, and it varies from culture to group to group, might be WeChat, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and maybe a greater level of sophistication, WordPress or Wikipedia. And maybe they underpin both formal education systems in a semi-permeable way, and the rest of real life where everyone is using them all the time. And our argument is that people are using these technologies to create images, ideas, opinions, information, to create those, to discuss them, to transform them, to consume them, and that actually ought to have some value, especially as it is incredibly robust. I mean, maybe in the literal sense in the global south, many mobile network operators have base stations with a mountain on a truck. So depending on the nature of the emergency, you can suddenly create a mobile network where there wasn't one. So most people do have that experience. And I suppose we make the point that actually in generating their own eyes and images and discussing them, they're generating, well in the words of Star Trek, learning, but not as we know it, Captain. And it may not be good learning. They may all be telling each other the earth is flat. And so our recommendation is actually to try and support that, develop it, coach it, because it is highly resilient and it is universal and it is familiar. And to look at the ways in which many pedagogues, which are maybe very, very familiar to ALT and the community out there in the UK, for example, how those pedagogues could be adapted. And we're thinking about Hurtigog, yourself directed learning badges, e-portfolios, using game mechanics, curating and critiquing online resources, and asking governments to see if they can, in their own local context, and with their own communities, reach out and look at ways those could be blended, integrated, taken over, appropriated in ways that would reach out to work alongside with all of those communities that are marginalised and disadvantaged. That is kind of the last slide, unless there's one that says thank you. No, there isn't one that says thank you. I'll say thank you in that case. And I'll stop and take questions if that's okay. That was really interesting. Thanks, John. And I didn't even need to put up all of my little five minute warning signs or anything so well to time. That's because I gabbled so much. Thank you very much. That was really, really interesting. I'm just having a quick look at the chat now to see whether or not there are any specific questions. There were a few comments that were coming in there, but I think it was a really, really great talk. I just, Sarah's put a comment on there. We've had good experiences using Rachel to support connectivity in rural areas. And she's put a link in there and wondering if anyone's used anything similar. I don't know if you're familiar with that one, John. That's not something I'm familiar with, but thanks for sharing the link. I think my answer would be irrelevant. And my question would be, are the communities in question familiar with it? Are they confident? Do they own it? Have they got control of it? And, admittedly, there is probably some, well, very, very large gray area between, if you like, a kind of polarised account of informal digital learning and what's inside the edtech bubble or the dedicated professional edtech community. So, yeah, I mean, the more we can put out there, the better. But if it's grabbed by the people in question, then fine, that's great. That's what we want. But if not, then forget it. Yeah. Yeah, John, I kind of impose it. And Taskin's made a comment there just to say that she's from edtech hub, and she found her talk very interesting and refreshing. She works a lot on decolonising edtech and online learning. So, that was one of our issues as well about the momentum. Sorry, I mean, what we hear from USAID and UNESCO and DFID just all to a greater or lesser extent, because of the, I guess, the political drive for scale, meaning cost-effectiveness and sustainability, meaning cost-effectiveness, is a kind of default to broadcasting the cheapest content, which turns out to be content in American English. And, you know, so that's not kind of what you could, so you can then put that into the kind of bag of recolonisation. And so, the communities most at risk from that are clearly the ones marginal to corporate global north. And so, yeah, we mentioned decolonisation. And part of our problem is, if you go back to the remarks about the hard to reach, that actually before we start worrying about, are we supporting a decolonised learning, is needing decolonised research methods to engage with these people to find out what it is they need or want. You can't use colonised research methods to find out about decolonising education. It sounds a paradox. It's very true. Well, that's, there's a lot of support in the room for this conversation to continue by the look of it. And if you have a look, their taskings also shared her email address with you, if you would like to get it. I think Taskin, you're doing one of the talks today as well, aren't you? So, oh, there we go. Different, slightly different email address that she shared for you. But, yeah, we can put you in touch afterwards if need be. But, yeah, thanks very much. So, thank you for everybody that's commented in the comments. I don't think that I've missed any specific questions, but we do have a couple of more minutes if there are any. And big thank you to both of our presenters today and to also to Matt as well who was presenting in a supportive way by dealing with all of the questions there for Wendy. So, big thanks to Wendy and thanks to John. And thank you to all of our lovely participants. Great to see so many people here. And really good start to our day, day one of our old scene summits. So, I'll pop the set of slides up there. And if you could all thank in the usual way, I can see lots of some clapping going on and some smiley faces. I always love it. Oh, here we go. Taskin's just coming there quickly. John, if you could do this research exactly how you want, what would you change? Oh, great question there to get in at the last minute there. Did you catch that, John? So, put you on the spot. Not, well, sorry, maybe. Oh, sorry, this is the question about, you know, if you could start all over again. Yeah, how would you get there if you weren't starting from here? We won't ask that question, actually. No, sorry, I don't. Implicitly tasked to say something original. So, maybe we ought to have ignored the literature completely. Excellent. Well, it looks like you and Taskin are going to have a lot of conversations to have later. Excellent. Great stuff. Well, thanks, everybody. There's my timer going off. So, I'm going to stop recording now. And then I think the next session is starting in the next couple of minutes. So, I'll say bye-bye for now. And you will soon. Thanks, John. Thanks, Wendy.


Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to a new week. Hope you had a great weekend Right, let's begin this time with a word of prayer and we'll start with the lesson Shri Kumar, is it okay if you can please lead us in prayer? Sure, Pastor. Thank you Precious father. We thank you praise you on you for this wonderful morning Lord, we thank you Father God for your divine wisdom and grace which is which you are revealing Which is which you are pouring upon us for God. We pray that father Prepare our heart for not master Receive every word which is going to come through the through the mouth of your servant to God Anoint him not master and let every word let it identify our our spirit man Let it strengthen our faith or Lord master and let we able to move further We thank you Father God that you are answering our prayer in Jesus name. We pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you Right. So last week we completed chapter 12. We looked at strategic partnership This week we'll go to chapter 13, which is a very interesting topic, which is leadership now Leadership is something that we can see in every aspect of our lives you it may be a Organization with just 10 people or even a ministry with 10 people Leaders is something that is developed over time right leadership The first thing that comes to our mind is influence right They're able to influence others right Another word that comes to our mind when you say leadership is position right or authority now There are different You know kinds of leaders that we can see around us right that are with different temperaments different styles now every leader has different qualities right And so the bible is going to teach us several principles right on how you and I can Be good leaders and become better leaders right now. I'm sure that all of us right Wherever we are we don't want to be in the same place We want to grow we want to develop ourselves Now if you look at ministry also, you know used to be start off small we say okay, let me serve in these areas and you want to you know Study the word Pray seek God ask God to open doors and God is a God who wants to bless his people his children And you know increase them Remember in the whole of the Old Testament After the people of Israel came out of Egypt. God said I want to bless you. I want to lift you up Right there are verses in Deuteronomy. He says you'll be the head and not the tail Meaning I will give you a position right so this chapter is very interesting We're going to be talking about and learning essential principles on leadership Now we have good leaders. We have average leaders. We have excellent leaders. We have poor leaders Right and so the biblical principles that we're going to learn today is going to help us to be excellent leaders right, so I'm on page, I think it's page 108 chapter 13 Leadership right so let's go point by point. You have questions. Feel free to stop me and ask questions as well right so first point If you don't see it, you cannot lead people into it Right, let's read Matthew chapter 15 and verse 14 Matthew 15 verse 14 Yes, could anyone please read that? Matthew 15 and verse 14 Okay, it says Let them alone They are blind leaders of blind And if the blind leads the blind both will fall into a ditch Yes, amen. Thank you. Thank you. Now. It's interesting that this is what Jesus is telling his disciples. He's saying Uh, he's talking referring to the Pharisees and the leaders in the synagogue in the temple saying let them alone leave them be they are blind leaders leading the blind And when a blind leads a blind they both will fall into a ditch Now we know that Jesus was not talking about the physical blindness, but they were spiritually blind They did not see Jesus as the Messiah But they were still, you know Doing the things of going to the temple offering sacrifices doing all of that But they were spiritually blind and so in Jesus here saying blind he meant that they were spiritually blind right and The reason they didn't have a vision. They didn't have the foresight to see that Okay, this is the Messiah He is the Messiah that we've been waiting for now. It's not like the others didn't see it Right. Many others saw that Jesus was the Messiah by now. Jesus already had his disciples Many of them pledged allegiance to Jesus. They said yes. He is the Messiah But here Jesus is referring to the Pharisees and and the Sadducees who are already in leadership and he's saying They are leaders, but they are blind leaders. They don't see the things of God And if a blind leader, you know leads other people They they both will fall into a ditch It's a blind leading the blind Right in judges 21 25 it says in those days There was no king in Israel.  There was no leadership That's when the people said give us a leader. Give us a king. Give us a king It was not God's real intention to do it But because they kept asking give us a king.  They need to be able to see the vision in their mind's eye Right leaders provide vision for the future. They provide direction. They provide You know leadership qualities to help You know reach that goal Leadership requires the ability to see the future And envision what is the outcome? Right, so we may be in a in a ministry maybe Maybe some of us may plan to start your own ministry after bible college or even now God has chosen you to be a leader. Remember this Leadership requires the ability to see the future and envision it In its outcome Right, I'm sure we've all read many testimonies of many pastors and you know leaders who who they started with nothing probably two three people and But what was it that they were able to yes, that is the spiritual side of you know Praying seeking god building yourself in spirit all of that is true But there is also the aspect of a leader seeing okay now it's 10 people in a small hall But 10 years from now I'm going to see 500 or thousand people sitting in a bigger hall But right now there's just 10 people Now if we don't see it in our minds eye if we don't envision it We don't you know declare that vision and work towards that vision We will be we are blind Right a leader without a vision is blind Right, so always remember you may be some Somebody who's just a cell group leader also But you need to apply this see your cell group in a place where you know You know, I want to see miracles. I want to see signs and wonders happening Maybe there's just 12 15 people in the cell group, but you want to see the things of god happening You're envisioning it You're envisioning people coming in people from other faiths coming and accepting the lord jesus as their personal savior When you see that as a leader It's wonderful Right your eyes are open and you'll begin to work towards it I remember when we came to mangalore Uh, you know, I was reading the book spiritual leadership. I Forget his first name, but it's j oswald spiritual leadership is a wonderful book and uh I had read it earlier on but I just you know, I was trying to refresh my Memory and reading that again And we were again, you know 10 12 people I remember visioning the church having, you know Maybe about 60 70 people in a year or 100 people in two years Uh, but they were only so probably eight 10 people I said we will work one day it will be full Right one day we will see those chairs filled up Uh, but it's a process right so you We can't sit and keep thinking about it and do nothing right we look at other Attributes also in leadership, but very very important I have a vision Uh, even even for your family, right? Uh, you know, I have two little boys one is six and one is four Every day we pray in the morning and Uh, and I pray over them and I say one day I want to see them You know serving the Lord whatever they want to be, uh, you know In their carry or so or whatever path they take that's uh, it's okay, but whatever they are doing I also want to see them serve the Lord Right now and and so I keep you know all of us. I'm sure all of us do this So we keep telling our children. Okay, do this. This is something that is good This is what you know, we this is why we believe in God. This is what Jesus did for us They keep explaining it to them. We keep showing videos to them Uh, and what are we doing? We are raising them up Uh, to have a vision to have to build leadership qualities in them right second point Maintain proper hard attitudes Now it's easy to you know, uh, it's good to have a vision and you say, okay This is what I want to do But in that process we may End up having wrong attitudes Right, uh attitudes of the heart is very important as a leader right, let's read Matthew chapter 20 25 to 28 Matthew 20 25 to 28. Yes. Could one of us please read that? Uh Matthew 20 25 to 28 So Jesus got them together to settle things down.  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Abinas right, so jesus is Talking to his disciples here again. He said he got them together settled them them and he said He knew that you know, these disciples are going to be leaders soon when i'm gone And so he was preparing them. He's saying now you've seen the leaders in the world you have seen Probably the Pharisees the Saturday you see how how godless they are They are throwing their weight around How a little power goes into their head which you know the message translation is Very very elaborate says, you know, they throw their weight around Hey, i'm a leader That that kind of an attitude and how a little power goes to their head Right, they keep telling themselves i'm a leader i'm a leader Right, and and it in a wrong way in a wrong attitude it goes into their mind But what did jesus follow that upward? He's saying so much so it's not with you You all are going to become leaders and When you become leaders remember this you must be a servant Right Whoever among you wants to be a leader first become a servant first you should be a slave Because the son of man has come not to serve people but to He not to be served but to serve people So leadership is about not just authority position, but it's about serving people Right, and we're going to look at three heart attitudes of godly leadership right Three heart attitudes of godly leadership First one is servanthood You know the lord jesus He was you know, he so many places he expressed his leadership qualities In a servant like attitude Right By now By the last supper jesus has already Gained a lot of fame People know who jesus is. He's a wonderful man. He's healing people He's a leader thousands of people are following him All of that didn't go into jesus's head Right What did he do? He said get ready for the last supper And then he meets his disciples and he washes his disciples feet As a sign of servanthood as a sign of humility to say that Even though I'm the son of man God in flesh Even though people look up to me with very high regards and high standards They have a lot of respect and honor for me But as a leader I want to keep myself humble And have this attitude of a servant Right He serves the people he leads Right. He serves In humility in meekness In sacrifice And the lord jesus set the perfect example The lord jesus served people in humility meekness Sacrifice and service Now I want to be careful.  No, we don't have to do all of that right as leaders There's this balance that we have to find where we say, okay Certain things need to be done And we get those things done as leaders. We work towards it And there's also this place of You know being a servant Right walking in humility now if there are people in your team who are Not performing on a regular basis underperforming We looked at it in the previous chapters as well as a leader.  I've come to serve people So, uh, you know, you can't call that person and say, you know what? I'm a servant leader So, you know, please do your work properly if you don't do the whole team will be no, that's not what we what we meant Um, we see the lord jesus in many places when people didn't accept him He didn't go and say please come into my team. No He just moved away. He just walked off. We looked at people who accepted him. So Servanthood is a hard attitude. It's not an exterior external, you know Attribute of saying, okay, please can you know? So as leaders, we should find that balance Right of how to handle people and even as we read read the word read books on leadership listen to sermons We can understand and even when we put our hands to the plow Take on leadership roles. We will learn About this right where we can balance it out say, okay I I want to be serve as a servant as well but also there's this responsibility Of behaving like a leader second one is passion A leader must be passionate about the vision and what the organization stands for right How how is it expressed? It's expressed through enthusiasm. It's expressed through You know and demonstrated through hard work the ability to stay focused to the vision And remember enthusiasm is something that is contagious Right, it inspires others. It energizes others it And and it's very important as leaders to keep that fire burning to have that passion Right, uh, let's read romans chapter 12 11 and 12 message translation Romans 12 versus 11 and 12 Yes, any one of us Roman 12 11 and 12 Do not burn out. Keep yourselves fueled and flame and aflame We are let savings of the master carefully expectant Don't quit in hard times pray all the harder Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now here the words don't burn out doesn't Refer to the you know the the literal term that you know, we use nowadays which is you know being stressed out and burnt out You know, sometimes we say no, I'm just feel a burnout Uh, you know too much of work and feel a burnout. No, uh, this is more of Don't burn.  Now, let me give you this example imagine You know, we have a there's a church ministry right and we have Maybe vibrant leaders Sorry, you have vibrant youth in the church, right and these youth are you know when the worship time comes They like to dance. They like to express themselves in worship.  You should always, you know Close your eyes and you should stand and you should pray prayerfully worship the lord imagine I appoint that kind of a leader for these youth One of these two things will happen one is the youth will leave and find a church where they can express themselves And be themselves to the youth who don't leave will become like the leader All of a sudden they don't like to dance. They don't like to enjoy the worship. They don't like to express themselves They don't like youth meetings. Why because the leaders like that So it's very important as leaders to be passionate You may say, okay, how long to be passionate How long should I be passionate about this? I'm doing the same thing over again refuel Refuel ask God to refuel fan into flame That vision right you may be doing it for 10 years You say, oh man, it's getting monotonous refuel say hey as a leader. I have to energize myself I have to refuel.  Or why is the youth leader like this? He's so dolly so They're not going to catch the vision Yes, Elisha has a question How does passion and leadership express itself? Yes. It's a good question. So, uh Elisha some of the ways that it expresses itself is you So for example, uh, you can always Remind the the team members. So you express it by saying, hey, I know we're going through a tough time I know we're going through a hard season a lot of work ahead But be encouraged because we're fulfilling this vision Right. You're all part of the success We're all going together Forward. So one thing is you're you're giving those talks energizing them, you know, our words are powerful Bible teaches us. So, uh, one of the ways That a leader can express passion is to have that you know, uh, those maybe meetings and say, hey I know everything's looking dull. Maybe some of you are feeling low Uh, you know, sometimes the weather is not suitable for working But as a leader, you can have those meetings and say, hey, we're all in it together Come on. Let's you know encourage ourselves a pep talk can really do so much. I remember the Uh, when I was working in the it sector Uh, we had one very energetic man Uh, he was not even a leader, but he was always smiling always happy So they said you come and just give us all a pep talk. I said he would come. Okay. Come on guys, you know Uh, we're gonna start off this day Don't look at the weather. Don't look at what you had for breakfast And he will all give us, you know in his talk.  Let's work. You know, we've come here to work Uh, so one of the ways is through talking and meeting see meetings where you can energize them Yes, Elijah. Go ahead Thank you very much Pesta I am concerned with the passion of leadership because of a tactical challenge that I would say I am having with a leader. I am working with and you see we are different people We are different people of different temperaments So some of us our temperament are such that you wouldn't see us always talking always With this outward looking yet we calmly and In a very cool way get the things that are supposed to be done. They we get them done We get them done excellently and I am currently working with a leader who Who thinks that who sees that? um As a youth you must always be on fire. You must always be this with a youthful exuberance Which not all of us can be that because of our individual temperamental differences Yes, I If you happen to work in leadership and you don't appreciate Some of these differences in persons And you want the people to be like you What are some of the consequences that the whole team is likely to to suffer? Yes. All right, so Elasha, I just want to You know just say this now As leaders we do want our people to be like us Right, we don't want them to be exactly like us. We are not You know, one of the things that we always say in apc is we are not Reproducing the same kinds why because we all have like you said elasha we all have different temperaments We all have you know, some may be energetic some are very quiet But they get the work done Right, some of them who are energetic and always, you know, joyful every time they may not get the work done Maybe some of them are like quiet, but they get the work done and they're perfect in their work They do it really well So during those times, right?  They're just very quiet One of the things we can do is individually talk to them, you know, ask them Are things all right with you? But most most likely that you know, they by nature, they are like that, right? They just shy or the introverts They don't want to you know jump around and shout and scream or talk too much But they like to work As long as they're able to hold that vision and they feel that, you know, uh, I'm in this vision It's all right Right. So here's the thing in leadership Remember the Lord Jesus? He had 12 people all 12 of them had were different You know, Peter's short temper Your John and James is saying can you give me uh, let me sit on either side Of you once you go to heaven Then you've got uh, Judas saying don't use that money for this You know, you've got all kinds of different people so So elasha Like we what we saw on point one. Yes leaders are able to influence people But leaders are not reproducing the same kind But I don't want to create, you know Raise up a leader who's exactly like me Yes, do exactly what I do. If I'm joyful, he should be joyful If I'm sad, he should be sad. No, no But as leaders we have the ability to influence.  Here's the bigger vision and And they continue to be quiet and all of that the bigger purpose is fulfilled, right? But you know There's they're not upset with you. They're just the way they are So that in those ways elasha, I would say Just leave it, right? Let them be as they are But the moment you see that they're not doing well, they're very quiet Then you know that something's wrong. If you feel that, you know, uh, they're not performing. They're underperforming or, uh, you know They have a problem with somebody in the team. They're not talking to somebody in the team Then those are things that we have to deal with but if you see that They're quiet yet. They are happy. They're working well Then you don't have to worry about it because we can't change people's You know nature. That's how god made them. That's how they are So as leaders, we need to you know, just find out those aspects, right? Uh, one-on-ones will really help as well I hope that answers your question elasha Yes, yes, thank you So even in our church, right? We have a lot of youth um, I remember this there's this There are some youth who are very energetic So there was this two three boys who came and they were oh, we will clean the church We will do this and they were only a couple of Sundays I saw them. I said, okay. Nice young guys. They're very happy to be at church But they were jumping all over the place trying to do everything Uh, after a month they sobered down They just come they said and uh, of course they still like to come to church and But there are some who are very quiet. They do everything And they don't You know, there's this young man. He he plays the drums in our church, but Very quiet. He doesn't talk to anyone, right? Like he talks only if you talk to him That's how he is like even his parents say that's how he is I don't know what to do But he's a very good boy, right? He would come early. He would open the church. He would clean everything Set the chairs put on the sound system and he would just sit quietly Right very quiet. He'll be there for all the meetings He'll be there for all the youth meetings and you know everything. He's there bible studies But very quiet But he had a passion for god Only if you talk to him he will talk as he doesn't talk That's his nature. So, uh, you know, so you'll find people Like that, especially among youth and even uh, you know older folks as well So as leaders we are we we must, you know, have that ability to okay make sure that, you know, everything's Whether they're happy whether they are, you know, working towards the vision their life is all right So, uh, yeah Abraham says pastor, please do we look at their ability to get the job done Without giving excuses, right? That's a good question Abraham, uh Yes, looking at the ability of getting the job done is very important but Uh, see sometimes there there could be reasons as to why things could be done Uh genuine reasons. I so for example, uh, you know, there's a somebody in the sound and setup team and he's been Asked to, you know, come early morning and set up the equipment Uh But he doesn't turn up one Sunday morning and the reason is maybe he lost a loved one in his home So that's a genuine, uh, you know, we can't expect him to come and do sound and set up when he's lost some A loved one in his family, right? But then Uh, you see repeated Uh excuses, right? Uh, rather than valid reasons Uh, some of the excuses say oh pastor night. I went out Uh, you know, I was with my friends on Saturday night Oh, we were at home. We were, you know, just having a good time. We slept late Um, my alarm didn't ring Uh woke up. It was already eight o'clock in the morning and that's an excuse Right, of course you give them all chances, right? Uh, I'm sure Tarun will Tarun was part of our, uh, you know leadership and I'm sure he'll have many, uh, you know Uh, Tarun, you want to pitch in any examples on this? You know, many times people will have different kind of excuses uh But Yes, firstly we look at their ability, but if the excuses go on and on and on That means their heart attitude is wrong Right, uh, like like we see right in the second point leadership is about hard attitudes proper hard attitude of this person He doesn't want to say no, I don't want to do this You know, I don't want to volunteer in this area. He doesn't want to make the leader feel bad but He's giving excuses. He or she is giving excuses continually Uh, then we ask them to step down because it's of no use just having that, you know A ship a position and not doing anything about it Right and there are times there'll be genuine reasons. Uh, that is okay. It's valid So Abraham my answer to you is yes We have to first look at the ability the inability as they're getting things done Now another thing could be also you can appoint leaders and train them on that Right depending on the task. Now, for example, you've got a couple of Young people they join church. They say hey, I want to You know be part of the PPT team right Uh, you know, just just be serving in the PPT team Now we can say we can't say no, you're not you don't know how to honor laptop. How can you know, we we just teach them It's not It's not big You know, it doesn't need a big understanding maybe two hours and they'll be able to do it all by themselves So you give them a simple training get them to you know, serve in that area as well But there are areas like in the worship team, right if you They need to be skilled to get into that area and Uh, yes, so giving excuses continually is something wrong, but valid reasons Every now and then that's all right. Like you You see the bigger picture, right? I hope that answers your question, Abraham Yes, thank you Thanks, Abraham Right. So let's go to the next one. The first one we saw was servanthood Second one was passion third one is self control the Self-control is the ability to be self-governing Demonstrated through self-discipline and self-restraint right The ability to be self-governing demonstrated through self-discipline And self-restraint a leader does not have anyone checking on him all the time So we must be able to have self-control. We must be self-governing now for example You have started a ministry or you're you're the one who is in leadership of a certain position of a certain team Nobody's checking on you right Nobody's saying as a leader. What have you done? You know, nobody's going to come and check on you, right? So it's very important that the leader keeps a check on himself His time his work his habits his productivity his interactions with people All of this is important right first Corinthians chapter 9 and verse 27 uh This is what the great apostle paul the greatest of the christian leader says right first corinthians 9 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection lest When I have preached to others I myself Should become disqualified. So paul is You know He's done. I would say he's done everything right up to now says but I Myself I discipline my body so that and bring it into subject so that when You know, I myself have preached the gospel so much But it shouldn't be that I have preached it and I have only I have been disqualified from this whole Uh, you know place that god has for me Right. So he's saying I need to have self-control. I need to be also look at my life I keep preaching to others and if my life is not right, what does he use? I mean they get the reward. I'm not going to get any reward because I'm just preaching it but You know, nothing's happening to me. There's no change in me Uh Proverb 17 27 says he who has knowledge Spays his word and a man of understanding is of calm spirit A man of understanding is of a calm spirit Self-control, you know, sometimes we may Want to just scream and say I'm done with this No, maybe in the workplace you say, oh god, it's been 10 years. I just want to How do I get out of this? Right And that's when we need to exercise this ability of self-control like to be Self-restrained to be self-disciplined and say, okay It's just a phase. It's just a season that we're going through as an organization As a leader.  He's stressed Family issues and now he's got this team that he has to handle and he goes to his senior leaders And he vents out all his feelings to them And the manager say, okay, so Then why don't you step down from the role and we have a new leader available? What is going to happen? Just because of that moment or that Maybe a week or that season that he's going through he went to went throughout all his feelings Now the leadership thinks he's not You know, we can choose better leaders who can do better than him He not only is in a place of You know, he's lost his respect, but he's also in a place where he's disqualified from leadership So we need to have the ability of self-control. There'll be times in pastoral ministry as well Or even in as leaders in the church Uh people will come back to you on and on and you know, they'll be sharing things with you They may repeat a lot of things But you know as as leaders we have to develop the ability to say, okay We come You know, sometimes we may feel hey, how many times are you saying the same thing to me? Why are you repeating the same thing again and again? We must understand that You know, they are going through something in life. We also are going through certain things Right, uh, but we must have that ability to say Uh, okay as a leader, I have to Listen, I have to make myself available for them I have to have self-control But uh james 1 19 and 20 says remember this my dear friends. Everyone must be quick to listen But slow to speak and slow to become angry Human anger does not achieve god's righteous purpose So these three attributes first one servanthood Walk in a servantlike attitude second have that passion always burning in us third self-control Let's go to the next point Which is maintain proper people skills, right now Leadership is about people, right? We're it's about planning direction responsibility decision-making raising up other leaders And and making and encouraging other people to follow you And leaders need to have a strong human side of their skills, right? Of course, there's this genuine interest genuine compassion Uh is important, but Remember people are not robots people are not machines people are not, you know, just people You know machines that you set. Okay 8 to 5 today go do your work. That's not how it is Working with people we need to be sensitive We need to understand their challenges understand their perspectives Uh inspire people lift up people leaders celebrate other people The great apostle paul did that so many times he said I have what does he say to timothy? He says my My my brother he says in one place my co laborers in christ Now timothy was about 17 years old and paul was well advanced in the ministry He's seen these big visions and he started off his first missionary journey He's been advanced very matured in christ timothy is just 17 years old now Very interesting paul doesn't say timothy.  He doesn't say all those things He just says timothy My core laborer in christ timothy my brother in christ Right or then he starts the book of timothy episode timothy timothy my son He always refers to him with so much of respect. He celebrates the life of uh, timothy Anyway, look at thaitis. Look at all the other people if aphrodite is paul celebrates them remember john mark the one who Was in the first missionary journey and uh in the middle when they reached Galatia and he said no, no, I can't take this. I'm going to go back He goes back And paul gets so upset that in the second missionary journey paul and barnabas had to part ways But in the end of his ministry paul writes and says bring john mark to me He's of great help to my ministry so we see that as leaders apostle paul celebrated people And we are to celebrate people's success the way they've worked honor them celebrate them Uh rewards and recognitions are some things as organizations that we can give our people even in ministry give it to people I'd honor them for their work celebrate them All right, and it really helps them. It will really help the organization uh next point If the head is not right the body won't be right Now if the leader is not right The head is the body will not be right now here Just looking at the uh analogy of a role of a head to a human body if the head I've got a cup here right here next to me If my head Doesn't send the signals to take that cup I'm not going to take it Right, but if right now if my head tells me sends me signals. Hey take the cup. So I take the cup right If the head is not right the body is not going to function So, you know people who are You know unable to do certain things um physically Not everyone right i'm just giving an example so Somewhere if something is wrong, they're not able if body doesn't function properly Right so If the head malfunctions The rest of the body is affected and sometimes it is Incapacitated that means there's no capacity in it If the leader is not right his motivations is not right his decisions his actions his leadership qualities his hard attitudes are not right The same kind of people will be developed or same kind of Wrong kind of people with wrong ideas will be raised up So if the head is not right the body won't be right If you have a leader who's always gossiping and talking behind other people's back talking about other Ministries condemning other ministries. What's going to happen? The church will be filled with people who are gossiping And condemning people it's going to just pass on why our leader is doing it So and we will do it Right the head is not right the body won't be right right Yeah, we've run out of time So uh, we'll stop here. We'll pick up this from uh tomorrow and we look to complete this chapter on leadership Right, uh, so let's just close in prayer Maybe Can you please close and prayer for us? Thank you Thank you lord father. We look to you god father. We thank you You are a faithful god father. We thank you. You are our model of father jesus father As we go through this lord made speak to us throughout our day our father made become lord Our routine of father made flow in us of father jesus so that we will Represent you well of father. We will not be a perfect lord example of You a father jesus that we will love people that we will be a good leader of father following The passion of father jesus having lord your All right attitude of father and we also pray that all our inhibitions will leave us a father that we will be Uh, we will glorify your name of father. We thank you jesus. We thank you for our teacher of father blessing us Thank you for imparting us may your name be glory for jesus name Amen, amen. Thank you Prabhakar. Thank you everyone. Have a great week ahead. Uh, anyways, I'll see you tomorrow. God bless Thank you pastor.


Now let us interpret the so called frequency response that we wrote the last time in the language of the dot product. So we have h omega that we wrote the last time is summation k going from minus to plus infinity h k e raised to power minus j omega k and it is obvious that this is the dot product of the sequence h with the sequence e raised to the power j omega m. Now this dot denotes the independent variable in the sequence you know so what we are when we write a dot like this what we mean is that we are treating the whole sequence as an object we are not taking an individual sample you know so the dot means otherwise if we write n we could write n if we are careful but when we write n the tendency is to think of the nth sample only and here we are not talking about a specific sample we are talking about the whole sequence as an object that is very important and that is why we put a dot there more than the question of notation it is the philosophy behind this that matters that is why we have to be careful with notation it is not so important that we should be very fussy about notation all the while but the thought behind the reasoning should not be lost so when we take a dot product it is not enough to look only at a part of the sequence and dot product involves the whole sequence that is what is being emphasized here anyway. Now you see there is a very interesting interpretation that we have just given this whole concept of you know the whole concept of frequency response what we have said is that if you have this LSI system S with an input e raised to power j omega n so you have given a complex exponential is the input you get h omega e raised to power j omega n coming out and h omega is essentially the inner product the dot product or the inner product of h n and e raised to power j omega n now you already know what an inner product does in conventional small dimensional physics or engineering when you take the dot product I told you of one force in a certain unit vector in a direction chosen so if you have chosen a certain direction and if you take the dot product of a force vector with a unit vector in that direction what you have done is to resolve the force in that particular direction to find the component of the force that acts in that direction. Now what we are saying here is that h omega is like the component of the impulse response that acts in the direction of e raised to power j omega n in fact it is an exact interpretation it is not just very vague or you know I mean approximate it is exactly what we are saying we are saying that if you give e raised to power j omega n to a LSI system and if h omega converges that means if the sum h k raised to power j omega minus e raised to power minus j omega k over all k converges then this quantity h omega is like the dot product of the impulse response in the direction of that complex exponential. The dot product is a number it is a complex number and the physical interpretation of that complex number is that the magnitude of that complex number multiplies the amplitude of the complex exponential and the angle of the complex number adds to the phase of that exponential.


for some unknown reason it's cut back so it's pretty much useless so the downstairs one there's actually a crack above it so it's all out now I'll show you the tray the trace right we're walking multi-tool stretch again right good Wednesday afternoon I started recording this one then a stock wasn't gonna bother but I've changed my mind I've only got 20 minutes left on the card so it's another little job I filmed the top lintel all demolition but I didn't film rebuilding it so this downstairs one I've not filmed the demolition but I'll what I'll do is film the rebuilding and put the two together so you see the two lintels done the same both the same both have had opened up they've come and put a lead flash it not a lead flashing a lead cavity tray in rebuilt it all nice and neat but no lintel so they've gone to all the trouble of taking all the brick work out knocking all down putting a flashing in not bothered with the lintel and then rebuilding it which is what's the point for what 30 quid for a lintel so the downstairs one there's actually a crack above it so it's all out now I'll show you the tray the tray still in I've cleaned all the bricks off which is an absolute nightmare I'll have to use a grinder because this stuff's just rock hard I think last week when we did the upstairs lintel I think we finished at 6 o'clock it was 11 hour day it took so long to clean the bricks but anyway I've still got another one to do but I've got to wait for James to take the scaffold down at the back to get at that so I'll show you the lead and then I'll film putting the new tray in sealing it all up and then rebuilding it all it's it's just gone about 20 to 2 now I've been sat in the van for over an hour because it's it's been raining since I got here it's forecast to stay dry but it's weird seeing rain all day like this but it's not too heavy so we can crack on it's not affecting the wall so we'll get back out there and probably time lapse the next few bits basically to save the card and then I'll just keep checking in as we go along so we'll see you around around the side pretty works out see the cracks traveled up a couple of bricks so we'll be replacing them if you've got four course out wasn't no need really but that's what they've been took out before you see this lead cavity tray dishing up some point for some reason it's cut back so it's pretty much useless other shocker would you have so that's coming out chiseled out for that take that out, that's deep, thrown deep, got me burning the cupholder I've only placed that half I think, that will just come out anyway so okay just gone three o'clock so we've got them three in, I've thrown that half so now obviously take the line off and slide these in and get those two patched in as well these are different bricks they're concrete but I've cut them down to 65 mil these last few going in I'll put it on normal speed show you how I do it so I put the bed in flatten off as much as I can as close as I can to I'm gonna end up with a couple of flicks I'm gonna fill the frog but I don't put any extra on top because the new pushes in like that just pushes off anyway I need room to get the top bed in so that should just sit on that bed and there's no furrowing in it it's flat so it's the bed solid just let it look down if it needs it I was told to get by my by the views a few years right now best thing well one of the best things I've ever bought through the joints of the solid giving them joints a bit that's it we're all in now to fill up push it in and to the side so you actually compress it against the against the solid bit and as you're working with you can press it all the long as you go 45 degree angle push it straight through you can go straight through the cavity we also push up on a 45 degree angle with the tuck joint as well it's pushing the motor up because we've got frogs up there to fill and we're done crack pointed crack bricks point we've placed new lintel new cavity tray new weak vents new brick work ready for the new window what should we do getting done shortly just needs a good brush it's quite wet at the moment so that's been left till the very last thing the same thing I film this one didn't film that didn't film this demolition from the demolition on that so I'll put the two videos together so it's two different days obviously actually in the upstairs of mountain so now I wait till this gets taken down till James comes and takes it away that was a that was 200 that tower including the ladder as long as we need it in case people are wondering how much this kind of stuff is that's five planks and rail ladder gate yeah 200 so the next towers going up in Lidia from the job we're doing yeah that's it so I'll just time that's the tidying up back for day three little number three and there's a done that one's done so this is the final one as you can see they'll come up quite easy with another strange lead cavity tray I've lifted these ends up to get that covering but curled up and sealed so anything that comes down that tray basically sits in there very weird because I think I'm actually ready to go into the trouble of taking this brick work out and see the different color to come to the trouble of taking out putting a tray in I'm not gonna put a lentil in this is very weird I've never seen that before so we're gonna make another mess in a minute get all this out and the usual all the new stuff in so we'll go to time that's for the messy bit 10 past 11 all the grind and all the mess is done I've tied it a bit up it's like tidying up at the end mixes on so all you do now is get this sorry excuse for a tray out and get a new lentil tray in so you can see where the existing tray was standard bitumen crap got a nice cable in the way again that's gonna be fun to get round as you can see this tray was pretty useless it came down over the frame and they curled up onto a brick work which basically meant if anything came down it was trapped on top so let's get this thing out so we've took the tray out got a nice nice depth ready for our tray to go in if I'd used a grinder for that it would have just blown all insulation all over the place but back I think obviously no draft bit slower but very good so we're going in that gap there let's get that in there tucked in all sealed get these four courses in have a quick dinner and get it finished back to time that for a bit


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So we keep passing more and more grim milestones with regard to COVID-19, more than 220,000 deaths due to COVID-19, record highs in new cases per day, as high as 85,000 new cases. So the situation is bleak. And if Donald Trump wants to win this election, he's got to give us at least some assurance that going forward, he's going to be a little bit more competent. He's going to try to handle this as if there are some adults around him advising him to do the right thing. But unfortunately for Donald Trump, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said the quiet part out loud and admitted basically that we're not going to try to do anything to control the virus. What do you want us to do? He actually admitted this in an interview on CNN with Jake Tapper. And it's astonishing that he'd say this a week before an election. And let me tell you the aftermath of what he said here. The fallout was just, it was huge. But first let's watch and see what he had to say. On your website yesterday, Jake, your website is talking about, well now we think the spread is coming from small social groups and family groups. First it was large groups. Now it's small groups. It's coming from all sorts of places. Well that's exactly the point. So here's what we have to do. We're not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigations. Why aren't we going to get control of the pandemic? Because it is a contagious virus just like the flu. But why not make efforts to contain it? Well we are making efforts to contain it. By running all over the country and not wearing a mask? That's what the vice president is doing. Jake, we can get into the back and forth. Let me just say this. Is what we need to do is make sure that we have the proper mitigation factors whether it's therapies or vaccines or treatments to make sure that people don't die from this. But to suggest that we're going to actually quarantine all of America, lock down our account and sing them. Well they are. Joe Biden's saying that. He says lock everybody down. We're going to have a dark winter. We're going to have a dark winter. That's what health officials say. That's what health officials say that it's going to get worse. We have the two worst days. Jake, let's be honest. Let's be honest. Friday is Saturday. Let's be honest. The health officials did not say dark winter. Those were Joe Biden's words. He was quoting a health official. I think he was quoting William Masltyn. When we look at the number of cases increasing, what we have to do is make sure that we fight it with therapeutics and vaccines, take proper medication factors in terms of social distancing and mask when we can. And when we look at this, we're going to defeat it, Jake, because what we are, we're Americans. We're going to do that. And this president is leading while Joe Biden is sitting there suggesting that we're going to mandate masks. Wow. He literally took a jab at Joe Biden for wanting to mandate masks nationally. When we are dealing with a pandemic, a virus that's highly contagious, you mandate masks. You wear masks. That's what you do. I mean, other countries, they don't have an issue with this. Trump hasn't been encouraging his supporters to wear masks. If anything, he's discouraged them.  Well, if you don't wear a mask, you're violating other people's liberty because don't people have the right to not have your disgusting germs spread on them? And to give you some context, this interview, basically the entire time Jake Tapper was questioning him as to why Mike Pence, after people around him tested positive for COVID-19. He's still going out doing rallies, not wearing a mask. And what does he do? He says, one, we're not going to try to control it. And two, I think that Joe Biden wanting a national mask mandate, that's bad. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but I mean, you heard what he said. We're not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics, and other mitigation areas. So let me tell you something. It's not like your administration is putting on lab coats and creating a vaccine yourself. What companies are doing this, Johnson and Johnson is creating a vaccine. Other companies, I mean, the US government is funding them to a degree, sure, but it's not like the White House is creating this vaccine directly. So meanwhile, while the vaccines are being prepped, you have to take action to mitigate the spread. You can't just let it wash over America as Trump initially wanted to have happen. You have to try to contain it because a vaccine can only do so much. If you don't get it under control, then a vaccine alone will not suffice. We need a multitude of things. Social distancing and yes, a shutdown in certain states where it's spreading. Now there are economic implications if you shut down the economy of a state or a city and small businesses will suffer. Yes, that's correct. But you do this intelligently. You don't just shut down that economy and leave small businesses and individuals out left to dry. You give them economic relief. That's why we need another stimulus, a UBI, more PPE, more loans for small businesses that we exclude large corporations from having access to. But you don't want to do that. But yet you don't want there to be any negative economic repercussions because of the virus, which is why we have to open and pretend like it's not a thing and send kids back to school. But what they don't realize is that you don't get to pick and choose. If more and more people get the virus and they die, that's also going to have an impact on the economy. If people are afraid of the pandemic and the virus and they don't want to go out, that's going to hurt the economy. So you can't just not control it. You have to do what you need to do to get it under control.  You give them assistance, use the power of the purse or the federal government and make sure they don't go under if they have to shut down. But they don't want to do anything. They don't they just don't care. Tapper asked them, why aren't you going to get control of the pandemic? And he said, because it is a contagious virus just like the flu. So there's nothing we can do. We just sit on our asses and we pressure these private companies to hurry up and get that vaccine out to us as soon as possible.  We're just going to pretend like it's not a thing and downplay it. Yeah. So, um, expectably Joe Biden seized on this because right before an election where the number one issue on Americans minds is COVID-19, you don't say something like this. So Joe Biden hit him and he hit him hard. Yesterday, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows run on television to admit to the country that the administration wasn't even trying, trying anymore to deal with the pandemic. He said, and I quote, we're not going to control the pandemic. Washington Post headline today says it's White House gives up on trying to slow virus spread. No caveats, just a deadly admission. Early in this pandemic, some of you had to cover me for a long time called and Trump called himself a wartime president fighting the war against an invisible enemy. I've been saying for months, as you well know, that he waved the white flag all the way back then. He wasn't doing much at all. Some people said I was being harsh, that I was being unfair. The White House was coming right out now and admitting what I said months ago was absolutely true. And look, how many people are dead, two hundred and twenty thousand and expected as many as another 200,000 could die between now and the end of the year. And he said, we're not going to control it. Not going to control it.  Yeah, I mean, Joe Biden is right here, not just on the substance, but he's right to hit them on this strategically because this has been the strategy from day one. Donald Trump hasn't just been downplaying it, but he doesn't want to take it seriously. There was a report that the White House is hoping that Americans just grow numb to people dying from COVID-19 because they're not going to take any action because they don't want to hurt the economy.  God forbid we do that. We have to make sure that we pretend like everything is normal because we don't want to hurt the economy. If you die, well, that's better than the economy dying. That's their logic. Now, of course, Mark Meadows was asked about this because there was a lot of fallout. So much so that Trump had to do damage control after Mark Meadows, his chief of staff said this.  But this time, Trump had to do damage control. So he was asked about this when this blew up because obviously if you admit that you're not going to try to control the virus, that's pretty controversial, I would say. So basically what he did was he moved the goalpost and tried to make it not seem as bad. The only person waving a white flag along with this white mask is Joe Biden. I mean, when we look at this, we're going to defeat the virus. We're not going to control it. We will try to contain it as best we can. If you look at full context of what I was talking about is is we need to make sure that we have therapeutics and vaccines. We may need to make sure that when people get sick that that they have the kind of therapies that the president of the United States has that we can provide. Those emergency use authorizations hopefully will be coming in very short order. So once again, he poked fun at Joe Biden for wearing a mask. I mean, this might play well with your base, but most Americans don't like when you say this because most Americans know that wearing a mask is essential if we want to contain the spread. I mean, do you know how quickly we'd get COVID-19 under control if all Americans were a mask? If you got 95% of Americans to wear a mask, how effective that would be at containing the spread? But he's saying, no, no, we're not going to control it, but we will try to contain it. That's what control means. So what you're saying, it doesn't matter. It's a distinction without a difference. You said you're not going to control it. That's basically the same as you saying you're not going to contain it or try to contain it. And now that you see the backlash, now you're trying to move the goalpost, walk it back a little bit. But once the damage is done, like it's already done. And the thing that Mark Meadows realizes that it's not like this is surprising. This is what Americans had already suspected because Trump's administration has not taken this virus seriously. But Trump, after tooting his own horn repeatedly about how wonderful of a job he's done, didn't like what Mark Meadows said. And he said, no, no, of course, we're trying to control it. Like, what are you talking about? I won't win this election. So yeah, we're trying to control it, even though we're not. No, not at all. In fact, the opposite. Absolutely the opposite. We've done an incredible job. Take a look at what's happening in Europe. What's happening to Europe is nobody's seen anything like it. And you used to tell me all about Europe. Now we're doing a great job. We are absolutely rounding the corner other than the fake news. Once the scare everybody, we are absolutely rounding the corner. Go ahead. When you have Trump trying to do damage control for Mark Meadows, that's when that's when you know they're in trouble, right? And Trump actually took to Twitter to tweet about the wonderful job that he's doing just for good measure to make sure that we know he's doing a great job. Guys, he says, we have made tremendous progress with the China virus, but the fake news refuses to talk about it this close to the election. Covid, Covid, Covid is being used by them in total coordination in order to change our great early election numbers. Should be an election law violation. Should be an election law violation. Really interesting. Maybe, and this is just me, maybe the media isn't talking about the tremendous progress you've made with regard to Covid-19 because you fucked up at every single step along the way. And right now, this close to the election, we're seeing new spikes, dumbass. So why would they give you credit when the situation is worse? We're entering our second wave in most states when some states arguably aren't even out of the first wave.   Like Trump is the dumbest human being on the planet. But I mean, he's still, you know, by making this tweet, you can tell that he's trying to get ahead of this narrative. Don't let Mark Meadows and what he said about them not wanting to control it be the thing that, you know, dominates the headlines. Trump wants to make sure that people think he's doing a good job. But that's just demonstrably false. So, you know, I don't know how this is going to play. It might be too late to affect the election, because I think most people with a brain know that Trump has botched this pandemic. It's been terrible. But this could very well be the final nail in the Trump campaign's coffin, because to say that this close to the election as numbers tick up, as deaths tick up, it's just political suicide at this point. Mike is the worst progressive on YouTube. Please don't subscribe to him or become a patron. David Dole is so much better. Trust me, folks. He's doing a great job. He really is. OK.


Good morning once again and thanks for joining us on the breakfast here on PLOS TV Africa. It's time for Off The Press where we have a quick review of the major stories making headlines across Nigeria today and we're joined this morning by Tunde Kolaouale who's going to be our analyst. Good morning, thanks for joining us sir. Good morning sir. It was fantastic. Thanks for joining us once again. We're starting with the punch newspapers this morning. Let's see what stories that we can find over there. It's going to be on your screen in a few seconds. There it is. The punch says, remove petrol subsidy. Economic Council tells Buhari warns states. Also it says subsidy makes investment in Nigeria's downstream sector unattractive. States may go bankrupt again and capacity to serve as debt very weak says LCCI. Also on the punch, government agencies didn't remit two trillion Naira alleges Senate panel. Forex COVID-19 forced 415 firms out of production says MAN, Manufacturers Association of Nigeria, and Buhari plans Salah celebration in Villa stops home age again. Trade deficit widens to $2.15 billion after border reopening. We can also find on the punch this morning the fire got Legos church or shum market. Chairs, freezers, sewing machines destroyed. More Nigerians set to trade crypto despite CBN ban. And also strength or strength in forest ranges by drones choppers. Southwest speakers tell governors. We can also find on the punch this morning church collapse. A couple of years ago TB Joshua should have been charged with carelessness says where it's showing her. Don't take COVID-19 vaccination. Yedipo tells winners worshipers. A Niger village is sacked by bandits among 15 victims of both accidents. Those are the big stories on the punch. This morning on the daily independent subsidy payments were since state's solvency insolvency. That's according to presidential advisers. Above the headlines, it's madness destroying police stations in southeast. That's according to the president. Two corpse killed as gunmen burn aqua bomb and abyss stations. Alleged coup. Nigerians may not believe Buhari's government again. 127 Seattle's ask Buhari to stop killings. Warn of mass action. Panic as army arrests 13 Bokooram tourists in Kano. Death toll in Niger boat mishap rises to 31. Senate says MDA's yet to remit over 3 trillion Naira. Federal government loses 4.7 billion Naira annually to illegal jet charter operators. Five killed, one missing in Kaduna. And the apostate church is telling the president to be serious about fighting insecurity. All right, moving on to the Nigerian Tribune this morning. Quarter one, 400 Nigerians murdered by Bokooram bandits, headsman says a report. Food crisis looms as farming activities decline. Bandit skill 11 in Katsina. Security forces skill 11 terrorist. Foyle fresh attack on emo police area command. 127 rights groups ask Nigerians to begin mass action. May 26 claim 2000 killed in three months. Also this morning, Nigeria needs at least 100,000 megawatts to power economy says Tonya Lumilu. And preference to foreign currency, low forex inflow, heightened pressure on Naira. Ibadon rise seizure. Don't start a war you can't win. Senator Warn's customs says Nigerian custom service ignorant of powers of lawmakers. And we can also find on the Nigerian Tribune this morning. 28 die. 65 rescued. Seven missing as both comprises in Niger. At Awala was 34th memorial anniversary. Politicians should not lie or make promises they won't fulfill. Okay. And the LAA bust drug or online drunk a drug trafficking cartel arrest five in Abuja. And this one is pretty shocking panic in Onisha as a truck load of live bullets falls and spills contents. Idelfitri Buhari to observe low key celebration mourns victims of madness. Those are the stories on the Nigerian Tribune. On the nation newspaper gone men kill policemen 19 others in a very important on the Nigerian, the Guardian week consumer protection keeps cement prices high. Cement producers declare 121 billion Naira first quarter profits. FCCPC keeps mum despite consumer complaints. And LCCI blames impute cost on inflation and Forex. 127 CSO cell Buhari stop the bleeding, canage or resign. You don't need foreign help to solve insecurity. South Korea advices Nigeria. 60 federal government agencies failed to remit three trillion Naira revenue in six years. Also on the Guardian bandits strange disease killed 20 in Katsina and Canada state. Also gone men kill monarch wife and in law in Kaduna. Those are the stories on the Guardian newspaper. All right. Good morning. Once again, today color. Let's bring you in here with these stories. Just like it has always been. There is hardly any carry news. On the front pages of most of the newspapers that you have decided to review this model. But I would like to start with the issue of subsidy payments. Honest, let's begin. I'm one of those who believe that there is no justification whatsoever for the ruling and likes for the people in power for the money and complaining about subsidy payments. It has always been the excuse they have been having over the ages for their poor performance in government. But if we take a look at the issue of subsidy payments in this country and what we have seen in that regard, we will all attempt to conclude that this issue of subsidy payment is a sham. You will remember not too long ago when the House of Representatives decided to look at the books of the NNPC with regards to this subsidy payment. What came to light was very, very ugly indeed. It was discovered that when some of these suppliers supply just one cargo load of petroleum products, they will go to the NNPC and claim subsidy for supplying five cargoes. Some did not even supply at all and they still go to the NNPC and claim the subsidy. You remember Lawan, the legislator I think from McConnell State. He is still being prosecuted as of today for allegedly trying to extort right from family of $3 over this subsidy issue. So I doubt it, whether any Nigerian will be convinced that we have a prudent regime of subsidy payment in this country. The second issue is if you have veterinary refineries and those refineries will be put to work. Why has it become so critical to put them to work such that in possession of petroleum products will become the theme of the past? The truth is that the Nigerian allies, the ruling class, the people in power are not interested in ensuring that the refineries that we have in this country become self-functional.  Furthermore, licenses were issued to certain private individuals to build refineries in this country. It is only Dan Gote and the Guagu that have shown and that have made some move in building two refineries. If the others have refused or declined or have been like Jessica, in fact reaching the license they were given, what steps have the government taken to ensure that the license that they were given was not cosmetic, was not merely obtained to be sold to some other persons so as to make rainbow profits at the most opportune time. So the government is to blame for this subsidy regime, but with that as it may, I would still want to say some of the things have emphasized in the past. Let the government remove this subsidy. After they have removed it, let's see what other excuses they will have for their poor performance in government. So each time you take the federal government to task, about poor performance in government, each time you take the state to task with regards to poor performance in government, they will say it's because we are paying subsidy, we have no more money to run government. So let them remove it once and for all so that we now will have, Nigerian people who now have reasons to hold them by the pause to perform and not continue to view the subsidy thing as an excuse. Okay, well I was just going to add that it's also important to know if Nigerians will be able to afford petrol at that price if subsidy is completely taken out. These are some of the issues that are always spoken about with regards completely taken away subsidy payments. But go ahead, I would like us to move quickly to the southeast and talk about the truckload of live bullets that spilled over in Onitsha. It doesn't say if those bullets were headed for anywhere in the southeast or even beyond the southeast, but maybe if we read further in the story, but what does that mean to you? Well, the truth of the matter is that there has been arms and arms penetration all over the country and that also tells you about the average mentality of the... All right, Simza, we'll ask Mr. Tinde Kalawali there. We'll get him back in just a minute to finish up his thoughts on insecurity in the south-south and southeast in part of the country. And while that's still a very big debate, we've seen statistics compiling just how much debts have been recorded in the past two months, at least over 50-something police officers who have died. We're not the one taking into account of just the ordinary everyday Nigerians trying to get by. These are police officers who are attacked at their police posts, checkpoints, police stations. You see patrol vans, set ablaze, weapons stolen from the police station. Just atrocities now targeted at police officers. Men of the armed forces also killed, men of customs also killed. It's just terrible, I think, the direction of insecurity. Compound that to the reports we've seen on the Nigerian Tribune that about 150 persons have been kidnapped just in the first quarter of the year and about 400 Nigerians murdered by Burko Ram, Bandit Herzman, add that up to give you just a picture of what security in Nigeria looks like. The figures are not, we're not even sure exactly what the figures are. Some are saying there are 2,000 things on the Tribune also that say not to 2,000 past couple of months that the report there also says 400. And this is across the country. There's a conversation, of course, for the Southeast that I hope that we can have. And I must have said here that we need to be very, very sure what exactly is going on in the Southeast if there is an intentional move being made by certain elements to weaken the security architecture in the Southeast for their own personal reasons or it's just vendor taking police. Nobody really knows. So Nicola, will you welcome back? So as I was saying, the truth of the matter is that there has been harms for the relation all over the country. You and I will be wondering that the Burko Ram, who are in a landlocked area, how are they getting their weapons? You and I will also remember, there was a time a cargo plane was apprehended in a future, fully loaded with arms and ammunition. It was initially seized by the authorities. But at the end of the day, that cargo plane of arms and ammunition was released. We didn't know where that cargo eventually ended. So you'll find out the arms and ammunition that has spilled in the Southeast shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. In fact, when you go all over the Nigerian ICs and all that, arms and ammunition have been openly traded on the ICs. That is where the bandit and all these insurgents could go and shop for the arms and ammunition. The airlines are not bothered about their security. They are not bothered whether their own mother, their own father, their own cousin, their own nieces or brothers are killed in this insecurity that has been able to come to all that they are entrusted in is making profit, collecting rents, levies and charges.  Most of them also owe to a situation so that when the entire roof collapses over our heads, they just take their private heads or sleep through their yachts and then abandon the rest of us in Nigeria and then fly abroad. So it must be some merchants of theft that have imported that arms and ammunition with the intention to either sell them to the bandits or whoever so as to be able to make profit. Because the impression it could mean some people who want to just conclude that it is probably being shipped or moved or been taken to the airport people. But from the revelation, from the some of the comment we have gotten from airport, they have said they have not been importing most of their weapons that they are manufacturing them themselves. So the security people require to make a total investigation with regards to the sources of these arms and ammunition and the destinations in which it is going. And this is never difficult to make. Most arms and ammunition that you get, that you see, they have serial numbers, they have countries that make them inscribed on them and they also have a bill of lading as regards where they are coming from. Look at what happened on the large end source. The Nigerian authorities denied that they never shot anybody. But low and low, a media organization like the CNN went and traced the origin of the weaponry of the bullets that was used to shoot the end source protesters at the Lekitogi. They traced this to one of the countries close to Russia. The year it was made, the time it was purchased, the countries that at the time that Nigeria bought those arms and ammunition. So those things can really be investigated and then we get on top of this. But we should not jump into the conclusion that the weapons are destined to be taken to the high-poor people. In fact, sometimes it will be meant for the pokohara. Because when people do this in arms and ammunition, they have a very tortuous way of moving those weapons around so as to deceive the security people. So that it becomes very difficult to be able to catch up with them. The story says the truck was on its way out of Onitsha when it fell into Agata, lost control and fell into Agata. So it's yet to be a certain location it was headed. Yes, indeed. Still talking about security, Mr. Kourowali, I want to bring a report to your notice. It's here on the Nigerian Tribune that 400 Nigerians were murdered by pokohara bandits and headsmen in the first quarter of 2021 and that about 115 Nigerians have been kidnapped. I mean coming out of COVID-19, I mean the height of it in 2020, was this really what we saw coming in the new year 2021? Let me quickly say that the figures that have been given by those organizations are probably those that were published or made in the electronic media. There are so many killings that have gone in this country that never get reported. But with that as it may, I think the intervention of these organizations is a welcome development. I shouldn't be the first one. You and I will remember that Mrs. Anene has organized demonstrations in the southeast and in Pene against the killings that are going on. Some other organizations are also in Pekasina, in Apuja and Nauda, women groups organizing rallies and protests against the killing that are going on. So if these other human rights organizations are now ready and willing to team up with some of the organizations that have been crime against the killing that are going on in the country, I think it is a welcome development. It will have to put this government on its toes as regard the duty and responsibilities that it holds in Nigerian people with regards to protecting lives and property. Because it doesn't appear to me that this government is on top of this game with regards to security, that they are even concerned at all or that they even know what is going on. Look at your transit that is coming from Mr. President this morning, that what is happening in the southeast is madness. He never said that with regard to the banditry in the middle world. He never said that with regard to the killing, maiming and burning of public properties, that the Pekoran has been perpetrated for the past 10 years. Now that it is the southeast, you are saying it is madness. If it is madness, then why don't you reign in the mad people so that we could have peace in this country? The truth of the matter is that that also is not the right approach to it. The government of the day required to sit down with the people of the southeast and find a solution to this problem. Threats, deploying the ammo tanks and name Nata helicopters is never likely to solve the problem. Go and read human history wherever people are determined, wherever they insist that they want their freedom. There is no arms and ammunition that can quell or that can destroy them that can stop them from arriving at their destinations. The high-time Nigerian government sit down and negotiate with the people of the southeast and properly conduct a referendum all over the country as regards which tribal, which nation, albeit with people, won't serve determination and allow them to go the better for all of us. This government has proven capable of uniting the country of ensuring peace and security and allowing our children to go to school without having to look at their back, whether somebody is hiding behind the corners to kidnap them. Okay. Mr. Kolawale, about coronavirus, there's a story we saw here on the punch newspaper. It's Bishop David Oedipo. He says, don't take COVID-19 vaccination. He's telling worshipers in this church and he's been saying, if the government wants to really cure COVID-19, they can come to him for a solution and that he also condemned religious leaders who have been advocating for the COVID-19 vaccine and saying the church is an anti-coronavirus zone. Saying these things basically dissuading Nigerians from taking the coronavirus vaccine. What do you think about this, the influence of religious leaders when they make statements such as this? The statement coming from Bishop Oedipo is very shocking to me. Shocking in so many respects. Bishop Oedipo is a scientist. He graduated as an architect and he had a practice architecture for some time before he became a pastor. As a scientist, he wants to know better what is the justification for him asking people not to take the coronavirus vaccine? Is it that it damages people's health? Is it that it is made with contaminated materials? Is it that it is against people's religions? The answer is no. It's a call on people not to take the COVID-19 vaccine can be likened to the call of certain Muslims not to take polio vaccines for their children. Most times you'll find out these religious leaders are enlightened in other parts of the country are Muslims who are telling the ordinary person not to take the polio vaccine.  You will be shocked that some of these religious leaders don't take the COVID-19 vaccine. They would have gone behind outside the country or somewhere so fascinate them and fascinate their families. According to what we heard from Oedipo, he said that when COVID-19 did not kill Africans as was expected then the COVID-19 vaccine was fabricated and that all that was needed to kill coronavirus is a shot of anointing oil. I don't know what you think about that as well. No, I don't think so. I really don't think so. To say that the church and all that is no COVID-19 soon doesn't in honesty make any sense to me. So many pastors have lost their lives because of the nonchalant attitude of this COVID-19 thing. Look at the president of Tanzania. He was nonchalant of COVID-19 thing but what eventually killed him? It is the COVID thing just like I'm emphasizing as a scientist. Oedipo will require to have a broader attitude to some of these things. If he can give us convincing evidence for why we should not take COVID-19, at least for example the Muslim people who say don't take a polyobacin who say it is made from pig products and the Muslims are not expected to take anything that has to do with pigs but in his own case I have not seen anything really genuine, material, sincere or convincing to say that people should not take COVID-19 other than to say that divine protection is sufficient for people who go to churches or call themselves a Christians not to take the COVID-19. When you and I do know that the Bible and the Quran I have never spoken against people having access to product of science. When you read the Bible and the Quran some of the foundations of the sciences that you have are to be cut from both the Quran and the Bible. So when they interpret the Bible or the Quran the way they interpret it or not it becomes very shocking to me. It is what I describe as the kind of iron kind of truth in which some of these things were written so many years ago and in which societies have changed and which new discoveries are the major you see and see that that is the gospel truth and that people should not change for whatever reasons and modernizing. These same people jet around in Bombardia again who use to write answers and order who see and see that when medicine comes out with inventions that has the capacity to improve woman health people should not take them when they use the best of modern scientific finding in terms of communication gadgets. Absolutely. Thank you very much for your time this morning thanks for speaking with us looking forward to another conversation with you. You have a lovely teacher. You too sir. All right still is the breakfast here in plus to be Africa. Our Monday morning has started and of course we're right into in the middle of these conversations still have a lot to share with you but before that today in history what happened on this day the 10th of May many many years ago we'll be back.


So my name is Mitchell Leigh from Antigua and Barbuda and I'm involved with the Caribbean Network of Fish and Food Organizations, which is an organization representing small-scale fish and food throughout the caracal region of the Caribbean. When we look at the issue of data and information in the small-scale fisheries sector and the potential to realize benefit, I wish to address the question from the angle of looking at benefit in terms of livelihoods of fisher for an improvement in the fisheries. So if we look at it in that context, data as relates to the value of fisheries to the lives of people in the sector. The contribution that fishes me to the own families, to the national economies as well and to the economic realities that the countries face. Also, the information that relates to how fisheries activities of small-scale fishes particularly impact those realities relating to poverty reduction, relating to food and nutrition security and to the very social fabric of the lives of people. So that sort of information, if we have it, could be used to then generate policies at the national level which would support the improvement and development of the fisheries sector and therefore improve small-scale fisheries overall.