You're saying this was happening to both of the Pathfinder? Yeah, to Vampires and Pathfinder. There were some issues with streaming. It didn't go down down, but it definitely took some fidgeting to get it to work like it needed to. And streaming on YouTube was never good, also. Yeah, but I've never experienced the problems that I experienced in the last month. Yeah, it wasn't like this, though. I really think that I don't know what's up with YouTube.  It was never like this before. And I do think... The Pathfinder, there were some of it. I mean, this is 10. Let me put my 10 foot. I wish I had some 10 foot I should put on, but I do think some of it is... I don't know why they would go after your vampire game, though, or your... All these specific... There was literally role-playing as Nazi vampires. Well, that might be it. I don't know. But I don't know what our Pathfinder game is. We're too bad for it. It's just a tiny one, too. It's a little stream, so... I don't know. A combination of their inability to have a steady back end. Yeah, it almost feels like some kind of clogging problem. Like this is... What people told me on New Year's is that... Oh, not on New Year's, on Christmas, when we were trying to stream. They said you guys were having a hard time streaming, too.  And I just assumed it was because I called my video Star Wars Funeral. I figured that would set. You can't live stream a funeral. That's insensitive. Only we can live stream a funeral. But it was almost identical. It was like 30 to 40 minutes in. It started to just crash and then I could not get it back. My stream key started refreshing, which I've never seen before. It's like, I can definitely part one, part two this. I just really hope that we actually managed to get away with the full stream this time around. Like who knows how many pots this will eventually get broken up into. It's just me. I feel like I'm doing... Oh, it's you, rags. You and me. Well, I just... I don't know why a stream where there's four women would get canceled by YouTube, so... We're too naughty for YouTube. Too naughty. That naughty dog. Yeah, I get it. Should we just pretend everything's fine? Just move on? I mean, that's what I normally do in life. It really works, Ian. It looks like it was working. Well, yeah, it's all back up now. We've got to... It's as if we never left, except the stream is going to look like it was much shorter, which is fine. I've got the other... The other thing is now processing. So I guess that'll be safe. That's how well we did. It exists. That's the important thing. I think people will get over the fact that there'll be multiple uploads on Moola, right? Like, that wouldn't be much of a problem. Can't really manage to get through one minute of the video, so... Let's... Yeah, let's carry on, folks. We can do it. Let's pretend everything's fine.  Yeah, everything is just fine. All's well. No issues. Things are great. Talking about Star Wars. Also, someone said, did you remember to record it? That wouldn't make a difference this time around, but as in, I have to, like... The only way to start the new one is to end the old one, and so that would create two recordings instead. Like, it wouldn't make a difference. I'm not losing the stream. It exists still. It's fine. It's there. It's just... Yeah, that's where we're at. You know, it's with issues like these, and I'm... And it's topical. We are discussing the last Jedi that... When it comes to problems like these, I like to remember the wise and immortal words of Rose Tico, who said that that's how we're going to win this, not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love. So if we can apply that knowledge to streaming, then maybe we'll be able to squeeze through with a W on this one. I think Hope is the best way to go, especially when things like that are getting made, you know? See it ranks. Do I see... Let me click on it. Oh, my God. Why do you have to hit?  You are looking a little titty there.  What can I say?  Sometimes you're Voldemort. Who knows what's going on? Shapeshifter, clearly. Also, I like that we have McMuffins. McMuffins, yay. I love your long... 69. I like that. Very good. I'm supposed to be like Pax. I'm super, super cut. Yes, very voluptuous Pax. It makes complete sense. We're an interesting, aesthetically, at least, because we're very, very dull, boring, uninteresting women-haters in real life and personal lives. But aesthetically, we're very interesting. Very different. What's wrong with your paws? They're looking a little wonky. What's wrong with your paws? I feel like she's cuddling her paws on the human. I mean, yes, I noticed the... Yeah, it's just... that's a style.  Come on, where's Tyler?   What's wrong with your paws? What's wrong with your paws? Every frame of paws. Which leads us nicely back to Jenny Nicholson, right? That's a perfect segue. What's wrong with your paw? It came in paws without the stream dying. Yeah, let's hope it stays up. We're going to pretend like it never happened and everything just continues. What's clever is that it showed that a character you thought was invincible because of established tropes they fulfilled could actually just be unceremoniously killed. Yeah, I don't know... listen.  I just don't... I don't know. If you're still surprised after the first season, I don't know what to say. Yeah, well, they'll definitely lose any sense of this is not possible. Now it'll be like, oh, I hope it doesn't happen to my guy. You know, my favorite. Yeah. Which is essentially what it was. And it's probably part of what brought Game of Thrones down too much iteration. Like, what is Game of Thrones? And as they were writing it, they were like, this is Game of Thrones. It's big, big explosions, lots of wars, shocking deaths. That's what Game of Thrones is like, oh. It was a little bit weird, okay. Well, that's what Star Wars is. It's big explosions and shocking deaths. And then shocking resurrections. It's probably like shocking in the case of Sheave, yeah. Millions dead. It would normally be the friendly, sexy, conquering king. It just gets horrifically killed in like a weirdly brutal way. And the baby too. And that's a clever subversion of expectations. Like I saw people sad about the red wedding or shocked, but I didn't see anybody like this sucks. They totally. I don't know if someone being sad meant they were surprised. Probably because it's not the same situation like at all. How are you comparing this to? Yeah, this is pretty not smart. I think she's just trying to compare them to being like, two events within popular media genres. Surprised everyone. Things that were surprising. But I wouldn't say that, okay, let's be real. It's Star Wars. Who would have ever been surprised by Snoke dying? Yeah, I think we all expected him to die at some point. Oh yeah, he's the bad guy in Star Wars. Yeah, exactly. Duh! Or shock that he was killed in the second movie, not in the third one. The subversion is on making sense. Like, ha, you thought that this was going to be explained and he would have a through line, lol. I like how Jenny's saying it's so clever.  Oh God, oh God, oh God, what am I going to do? I got to make Kylo the main bad person. Oh no.  I don't make Kylo the main bad person. So all of this is moot.      So I killed him.   He didn't fulfill his character. I also never understood people's compulsion for Snoke to like, be something. I guess because you're not smart. You don't you don't understand. That's because you're not smart, Jenny. He is something. He is something. He's he ties us to the original trilogy. He's the reason the first order exists. He's the reason Kylo turned.  Kyle, the Snoke is an insanely important character in this universe. Of course, Jenny. Why are you just run narrative perspective? When we've set this up about this character, why would you not expect him to mean something to the narrative? I literally don't understand it feels post hoc. Like he died. He's not important. He was never important. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, he was. You said you might not have developed it, but he is insanely important. You can't just say, I ain't going to move you about the 100 years war and gives the King of France is King of France everybody. Oh, no, we died. Don't worry about it. Well, it wasn't important if you died. No, what? I don't know. It seems seems really like she defines not important as a dead person, I guess. So if any, whatever, it's like. Snoke, you get the idea that you play through a really long video game and then you get to the very final boss. And then as he's about to explain, you know, how he made everything happen for the entire game and how he was the mastermind behind everything, you just skip the cut scene and insta kill him and then the credits roll.  Demon's Souls did something kind of like that.  It was difficult. It was like this pile of sludge that you could easily kill. The idea being the previous boss to him was actually the final boss in the game. This was it was sort of like a thematic ending to explain X, Y and Z. But these examples like Snoke, we were led to believe a hell of a lot about Snoke, but it got subverted in terms of like, oh, the trilogy isn't going to be that much about him. It's like, OK, but we're still missing a lot of information. And you know, they could have filled in. They could have. But again, why do we keep passing the buck with every sequel? Like you guys have got to repair what they did. No, you guys are going to repair what they did. Well, you have if you have you have the two alternatives of being we learn about Snoke, which makes sense. And we don't learn about Snoke, which doesn't add any sense to the world. And they went with the other one and is like, oh, yeah. The last last one, that's the clever one. If anything, it's a huge cop out. It is. It is 100% a cop out. Like we could explain to you this thing that would require an explanation. But oh, those are hard. And what's interesting. I'm going to support your expectations. Expectancy violation. OK. What's interesting about this video as well is that, like, this isn't framed as just this is why she liked it, in which case we would just be responding the same way probably. But this is also framed as this is why other people are wrong.  It's like very interesting. It's like you were wrong to think that Snoke, this character, was going to like mean something. Imagine like you were wrong to think that, which makes me almost think that it's wrong to just think. So they do that.  Let's be real. Thinking is wrong. They do that.  A scene where Snoke says, hey, by the way, let me read out by entire backstory.  It's like, why? Why do you do this? Why is that so bad every time? That's not what I wanted. No. Creation of the original trilogy, the emperor was just an evil guy in a room. Whoa. And that's insane to bother. That's because you're not smart, Jenny. So the original trilogy was the beginning of it. There was nothing that needed to be set up because it didn't go into an existing pre-existing world. You have one of those when you make a sequel trilogy. Wait, but her contention is that the emperor is just an evil guy in a robe. And there's no other meaning behind the emperor and the original trilogy. And we had this. She's not the greatest. Well, no. He's a bad guy in a robe. You know why she said it? Because Snoke is actually just a bad guy in a robe? Like that's the role he had in the sequel trilogy? Snoke is actually. Yes, you're right. Snoke is actually just a bad guy in a robe who means nothing because he's never given any meaning to his character. But we understand a little bit more about the emperor and what he's trying to do. And now part of that, yes, I will admit, is in the expanded universe. And that's true.  He manipulated his way to the top. He was able to cloud the minds of the entire Galactic Republic and the entire Jedi order. He fooled everyone for decades. You mean he's a bad guy in a robe? You're telling me that's just a bad guy in a robe and not like a mastermind manipulator? Exactly.  Exactly, 100%. Yeah. Interesting. You think when it comes to evil organizations they're like, we need a leader. You start looking for people with robes and I don't know, seem to matter. Local soldiers and bath houses. It's imagine like some of me like auditions today must have a robe. That's all you need. Must be evil, must have a robe.  Scars, you get extra points. Seriously, because she's only started watching Star Wars recently. She didn't grow up watching Star Wars. The only reason she started watching Star Wars is because she works for Disney. And so she has to cover or she has to, you know, watch at least the new Disney stuff. Buy works for Disney. What do you mean specifically? She works at Disneyland. I see her all the time. Really? Yeah. Why would she need to? Is there something? Surely YouTube is full time for it. Or I figured it was, maybe I'm wrong. Is she, what's her job at Disney exactly? I don't know her exact job. I've just seen her there a lot whenever I used to go. But I mean, I don't want to dox her. Oh no, sure. I just meant like a vague sort of thing but I didn't know she worked for Disney. She just works at Disneyland. I don't know what her exact job is. Usually when you work at the parks, you have multiple jobs but that's the only reason why she covers all of this because she works there.  That's why everything she says about Star Wars or at least Disney Star Wars is going to be positive.  I thought she hated, I thought she hated Rise of Skywalker. Is that up to date by the way? Because some people say she doesn't work there anymore. I don't know. I just, I haven't been to Disneyland in a while. I can ask because we have mutual friends but. Because yeah, she used to be a part of, was it Screen Junkies or something like that? I can't remember but either way, like. She's interesting perspectives on movies, no doubt. Because I know a lot of people who are fans of Eve have really big fans of her as well. And again, like I've said this before, I've watched videos from her that I really like. It's just interesting takes on some other stuff which happens to us all. Something. I mean, for the duration of the original trilogy, the Emperor was just an evil guy in a robe. And that didn't seem to bother anyone because Darth Vader was the villain with the actual nuance and personality. Just like Kylo Ren is that for this. But we always knew there was an Emperor. Yeah, the Emperor's mention of Epsom 4.  Even though he has the capacity to choke the mountain stuff. But like, he's not given a lot of respect if you look at a new hope. I just don't think that that's completely the case. I think that Darth Vader is set up as more of a lower level character. And we are given this idea that there's an Emperor who is the big bad. And briefly when you take the prequels into consideration, he's not just a bad guy in a robe.  But there's the whole thing as well that even if he were that simplistic, that was the state of the universe as we entered it in Epsom 4. Which is the unique benefit the OT has over the sequel trilogy where the sequel trilogy was like, welcome back. Everything is now different. And you're like, whoa, hang on. And if they started that way, they actually have a leg to stand on as in they'd be like, Snoke is in power. The first order of most in power, they're gonna wipe out the local good guys that control the Republic. And now a scrappy group of heroes are gonna try and stop them.  How did Snoke destroy the peace set up by Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Leia Organa? We need to know these things. And you'd be like, well, who are even any of them? Why do we need to know that? In the same way that we don't need to know how everything was running a thousand years ago. We just don't need the information to understand how this all matters. But like Han Solo and Leia having a divorce. It's like, geez, you would have thought we'd wanna see how that went down. But I guess not. We'll just skip over all of those bits in order to learn about our wonderful new characters known as Rey, Finn and Poe. That went well, didn't it? Yeah, the keys are introducing an important character to an existing world that kinda should be explored. Kinda should be explained. Big deal. Trilogy. The Emperor was just a two dimensional obstacle to be defeated. And taking out that obstacle in the second movie with a whole movie left to go, just kinda means that the third movie in the trilogy is less able to stick to a predictable formula. Womp, womp. Womp, womp. Oh, this. Oh, no. What? Uh-oh. See, I'm not blaming her at all because I think we were in the same position, but the idea that they would resurrect Palpatine was not on anyone's mind. It was like, no, they wouldn't do that. That's not it. They only contacted the actor for Creamy Sheave, like in late 2018. Yeah, it was like basically a year before the movie came out. Yeah, I can say I understand how she came to this conclusion, but well, didn't work out that way. I was watching one of my favorite shows, and on it, Umna Greger was talking about how a week before The Force Awakens came out, he got a call from JJ asking him to come record that voiceover.  Which I think is a good thing. I feel like the people who were so mad that Snoke died wouldn't have even been mad if first he had been like, I was once known by another name, Darth Plagueis the Wise. Yeah, we wanted Darth Plagueis. How about that? Yeah, I would have preferred that. That would have been nifty. Yeah, that's something. I still wouldn't have been satisfied. I'd be like, okay, your name, that's good.  Well, I mean, you could tell it wasn't Darth Plagueis because Snoke wasn't immune. Right, maybe he would have been trained by Darth Plagueis, or just something that made some sense, other than him just being a weird clone that she had made, which is.  It could have been on one of the coverage from Geeks and Gamers, but just the whole like, we thought that was a fun idea. Like that was the input from the writers about that. Snoke beat it to test, too. We were like, Thor would be fun. Anyway, moving on. Oh, okay. At least they thought it was fun. Even though that wouldn't inform us of anything new of his personality or change his role in the story in any way. Number nine, I can't believe Kylo Ren is the villain now. He was the villain in The Force Awakens. He killed someone in the first three minutes. Wasn't he, yeah, I would downright say he was like the driving force villain of the first film. We open with him pursuing the droid and trying to capture our heroes slash kill them. Yeah, he was always the villain. Why would you say this? I don't know why you would say this. Very odd. He's not even a good villain because I hate him. He's just a whiny baby. And he's not even scary. I think people who hate Kylo Ren as a villain have a particular need to feel vicariously empowered by seeing a big strong villain who can hit people really hard and is good at everything. You mean like Bray?  What does everyone look for at a villain?  No, it's not Kylo Ren. It's like the opposite of Kylo Ren, like clever, conniving, determined. He has a purpose. He believes what he's doing is right or justified. He enacts plans and he tries to foil the heroes. He's powerful in at least some way.  That's, you know. Yeah, 100%. Maybe it's just the back and forth. Like I feel like if I was in a room with Kylo, it'd be like, hi, I guess. Kylo, what you doing today? Oh, when you said a moon, you meant a species rather than immune. I thought you said immune. Like the species, that's why I thought you said immune. Yeah. Mune. What is immune? I'm saying he is a moon. What's that? You teach us. Immune, it's the, remember in episode two, when they're there with Count Dooku and the one guy says the banking clan will join them? That's immune. Oh. That's the type of species Darth Plague is in. Well, you still could have said he was like up into, if you just had Force Awakens, you could have still made him that species and what we saw in Force Awakens was just a hologram, right? Like a fake. I've done that. Cause I'm trying to remember it to Snoke have a nose. He has like a weird, like kind of more style nose. Yeah, he has a nose. Okay, then yeah, and the immune don't have noses and their faces are a lot longer. Fair enough.  It's, I don't know if I'm a good man. I don't know if I'm a bad man. And this all the while, bodies are just piling up behind them. Like slashing people and blowing up planets is like, am I the bad guy? Am I? Why is that guy? That's why I should have kept Snoke around to be like, okay, he's definitely bad, but this guy we're still wondering about him, whether or not he's going to stick with Snoke or redeem himself. Because now we just have some asshole like, oh my good or bad, but he has to also do the bad stuff to fill in the gap that was left by Snoke's death. Oh, is it the same species as Kei-Adi Mundi? That's for the guest. No, what? Would it species be the same as Kei-Adi Mundi's? Let me look. I'm being informed that that is the case. And knowing the characters right off of it. No. All right, no. Yeah, a couple of people in chat are saying that as well. Damn Star Wars species being all complicated. How am I supposed to know that? I'm going to get you a picture of Darth Friggin' Plagueis. Oh, some people have been sending a few in different places. I can, this one's apparently him being badass. I'll put it on screen in a second. Darth Plagueis. Why? He's all blanky. Look at him go. Oh my goodness. He's stopping these ninjas. Yeeting these tiny people. They don't got nothing. One of the backs like, y'all. What if they're both? I'm imagining the two guys in the back actually approaching him. They just move really weird.  Yeah, we're coming to get you. Anyway, that's, that's fun. So I guess what we can say is that whatever Snoke is, it's not really established within the canon.  No, that's not me. Any kind of stuff. I thought they were failed clones of Palpatine. That's what I thought as well, but that's not made clear. All right. Well, I guess we'll debit it exactly. Just as humanoid male. I guess now they have, his species is artificially created humanoid now, I guess. Strictly test you baby, like just from scratch? It, I don't know, maybe.  He does have an aquarium full of them. Yes, they're all floating around. It says that his hair color is white. Oh. His eyebrows, I guess. They say, like they specifically say white eyebrows. Well, there we go. Let's just know that he can grow hair. That's important. The last Jedi asked them if they liked Rogue One. Okay, I'm not gonna go too deep into my fandom psychology seminar, but let's play another quick game. Oh, please. If people say they hate Kylo Ren as a villain because he's whiny and unthreatening, ask them if they love the character Negan from The Walking Dead. I'm trying to think of all the blockbuster movies. What does this have to do with Rogue One? Okay, here's the argument. I did watch this far and this is where I got, this is where I got so annoyed that I kind of was like, I'm not gonna watch this until we do it live. Okay, so her point here is that she's not afraid of Snoke and she's not afraid of Kylo, but guess what? And this is not a negative statement on Jenny in any major way, but nobody who's not a child is actually afraid of stuff that happens in films. That's reality. What people say when they mean they're afraid of a character is that they feel that they have like a terrifying presence or they feel that the character is capable of doing something in the narrative that is scary or that is intimidating to the protagonist. That's what they mean by that. They don't mean that they're physically or emotionally afraid of the character. Does that make sense? Well, yeah, I haven't even seen The Walking Dead and Negan is more a spoopy than... From what I know, I thought he was really threatening. Am I wrong? Like I thought he was the guy, he's the guy with the Bob Wyre baseball bat in me. Yeah, in the first time you were physically afraid of characters. Sorry, Jenny, sorry. Sorry, oh my God, not Jenny. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. You called out a Jenny over there.   Yeah, as far as I was aware, he was super threat. Let's roll it back, see exactly what she said. Yeah, re-listen to what she says and you'll see she's basically talking about the embrace. Okay, I'm not gonna go too deep into my fandom psychology seminar, but let's play another quick game. If people say they hate Kylo Ren as a villain, because he's whiny and un-threatening, ask them if they love the character Negan from The Walking Dead. I'm trying to think of all the blockbuster movies I've enjoyed and trying to remember which ones had a villain that I was genuinely afraid of in real life and I guess when I was a kid, I thought- You were genuinely afraid of in real life, that's weird. She didn't finish a point about Negan though. Where'd we go with that? Your Rogue One. Yeah, she broke Rogue One, then she went to Negan. It was like, now she's talking about whether or not she's been afraid in real life by a fictional character. What do you want? Like if I was stuck in a room with Negan, I would be far more afraid for my life than if I was stuck in a room with Snoke or Kylo Ren. I don't know. Well, I wouldn't know what to think if I was in a room with Kylo Ren. I'd be like, I don't know that you would kill me. I don't know. I'd be like, yo. Are you evil right now?  Are you in now order? With Snoke, I'd be like, hey, man. I mean, it's just us. There's no point in killing me, right? With Negan, I'd be like, dude, calm down.  The scary judge from Roger Rabbit was scary. Those mutants from The Hills Have Eyes were scary. That's not a good movie. With villains as with any character, I think what makes them good is if they have an interesting personality. I thought you just advocated for how we had to yeet Snoke because he wasn't interesting. It's like you could have made him interesting. I can hear Lovecraft rolling over in his grave. In relation to Lovecraft. I feel like that Lovecraft has been rolling over in his grave for so long, he's become a perpetual motion machine at this point. You would love Rise of Skywalker, OK? Yeah, he does, but. Extremely emotional and unstable, which makes him unpredictable. I don't know. The unpredictability is not necessarily a trait that people tend to like, do they? Like in terms of. No. Understanding a villain.  It's like, it can be. Unpredictability can be, you know. Yeah, like with the judge, he's unpredictable. And that's. But we still. There's still like. Not like Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren is unpredictable in the sense that we have no idea if he's on the good guys team or the bad guys team in any other scene. Like it's just like, what's going on with him? I don't know. But it's not like a villain done terribly wrong. Great. I think that it's a it's a good. Characters need to have like a baseline in terms of the psychology of how we perceive characters, right? We basically start with a basic perception of what a character is. And we go, oh, they're this or they're that. And then we engage in recategorization. And if our recategorization doesn't work and we can't put them into a neat little box, we go into attribution and we individuate that character. It's why people would excuse absolutely everything that Walter White did, for example, why everything, why people would excuse everything that Tony Soprano did. Because they say, well, I this character has these unique attributes, but when the character isn't complex enough to have that kind of stuff, then we do put them into basic categorization boxes. That's just how we work psychologically. Our brains aren't, they got a huge amount of energy. So generally speaking, we want to like make really simple categories. Like this character is a hero. This character is a villain. And they don't fall into these neat categories. We have to individuate them. And there's not enough information about Kylo in particular to really individuate him to a point where we would be able to make this kind of complex decisions about the character. That's just what the data indicates. Sure. I just, connecting like, she likes him because he's very emotional and often unpredictable. Kylo ran more so than pretty much any other character I think I've experienced.  Like that seems to be his thing. But then like halfway through, he just sort of loses interest.  We're going to rule together. And you're like, okay. All right. I guess that's sort of a, that's a through line from wanting to go over the world. I can sort of see that. And then she like stabs him and says, you should be a good person. And then he's like, hmm. And like, for me, I'm just like, fuck's sake. Like, I don't know that because with Vader, it was just constantly getting pounded into him that like, I am your son. I care about you. I know that there's a person inside you that's not willing to just let everything fall apart and be evil and stuff. And it's just, we're waiting for Vader to finally make the decision whether or not he will. That's why it's like so climactic in that last scene with Kylo.  The characters seem to be okay with it. Even Palpatine, when Palpatine's like, you're not betraying me. Are you? Kyle's like, no. I would not do that, especially given my track record. I would not do that. Not at all. I don't even know that he would register as betrayal because he doesn't even know what side he's on. He'd be like, I think, I don't know. It depends how I feel today. And yeah, I don't know. I just don't find that compelling myself, I suppose.  Right. And to me, that makes him a good villain. And you want to see him reformed, or I do. To me, the fact that he's a former good guy, and he has a mom that loves him, and he has a weird hand-holding connection with Ray, and he cries a lot. Oh, what do you know? Something can only happen because of Snoke, of which we've got no explanation on or anything. Hey, man, Major Lee liked the hand-holding thing, too, so. It's really cringy, though. In good company.  Oh, they held hands. Oh. No, in the rain. Apparently they really were falling for each other, I guess, at that seat. Yeah, they were falling to rise to Skywalker, because they took that even further. And then he died, and she didn't even care. Yeah, she's just like, oh, well. Yeah, she's just like, whatever. I am the Skywalker now. He's sucker. She doesn't even cry. This is the guy you're in love with, and he just died after saving you, and you're not even going to shed a tear. Was it love? Did she love him? Yeah, that's the question. Did she love him in any way that we've ever been shown? She doesn't love anyone, except that weird father-like thing with Han Solo. It's really weird, yeah. I like how there's no, you know, some people might be like, she's not like she's so I was a father. I was like, no, that was confirmed. Yeah. Kylo looked inside her head and pointed that out. It's like, oh, okay. Maybe she was in love with Kylo, because she saw Han in... Oh. Which was kind of weird. That's really creepy, though. The closest thing I can get to Han is in like, you're literally the only thing left of that bloodline right now. Yeah. We don't have a real villain. He's extremely strong in the force. Remember when he stopped that blaster bolt with his mind powers? You mean the force?  Yeah. Did she just call the force mind powers? Well... Remember when Ray anti-tortured him with her mind when she didn't have any training? Yeah.  Yeah. It just depends on what the plant needs at the time. I was so... Yeah. Kidding me. Oh, mind power skills. Man, mind in there. Mind power. Sorry. And like, he's not in a low key. Geez, I just feel so bad that I accidentally called you Jenny Anna. I feel so bad. Mind power skills. I actually... It's like a second. It's okay. It's confirmed Aiden thinks that all women are the same. I do. Wow. Oh my god. This is supposed to be our diverse and welcoming stream, not our hatred stream. Gosh.  He's extremely strong in the force. Remember when he stopped that blaster bolt with his mind powers? Wow. And like, he's low key crazy. So... It's not low key. Low key. Low key crazy. Low key. Very high key. Low key. The highest of keys. Low key crazy. I think he might get redeemed. I think you're echoing Anna. Yeah, I just... Sorry, Jenny. I had this problem last month.   I'm just going to mute myself in a place because I don't know how to fix it. Okey-dokey. If he had like a fight against Poe Dameron or something, I would still be worried he might kill him. It doesn't seem like he wouldn't do that. In any family action movie, you know that ultimately the good guys are going to win. If Snoke was still around, there would... So this is interesting about, you know, considering he said this and then said, we're upset that Snoke was killed because he was killed, but we knew this all along and she's kind of an odd counter to something. That was what a Valakau does to him is she's apparently accepted that. So, okay. Alright, move it on. Never mind then. Wouldn't be a lot of tension over whether or not Ray was going to kill Snoke.  But with Kylo Ren, there's a couple different directions that it can go and I think that's interesting.  He could sacrifice himself and die. He could turn good and live. Literally anything could happen because Kylo is just... Who knows? No, let's be honest. Let's be honest. These stories as bad as the sequel trilogy is, are going to still follow in their very sad attempt, the Joseph Campbell paradigm, right? Which means that Kylo Ren has to die for killing his own father, for patricide. And that's not just Joseph Campbell. That is all of mythology. He's going to have to die for what he did, okay? That's going to happen. You don't get retribution for that at this point. You actually think that anyone working on these New Star Wars movies knows anything about Joseph Campbell. You're giving them way too much leeway. They're like, Oh, you mean the soup guy? Yeah, sorry. Probably giving them way too much. But I mean, at least Lucas did. And Lucas did.  And I would expect them to base it around the same paradigm because that's what every single thing is in all of human history has been based on. In terms of the hero's journey and this stuff is not, it's Campbell put it into, you know, they're trying to subvert expectations. Oh, it doesn't work. Oh, it really does not work though. Does it? They're trying. That means that they're good films because they tried. I'm glad we all agree on that. I'm going to judge the laughter as I agree. So good. He could sacrifice himself and die. He could turn good and live, but he is going to get reformed. I am sure of it. And anyway, Kylo Ren isn't all. I didn't work out. Did it? No. He's still got hugs, guys. Well, he's still got hugs. Wait, what did she say? I think you guys are ahead of me. We are at 445. Oh yeah. Yeah, I'm full 41. Oh my God. You're reset it. Kylo Ren, there's a couple different directions that it can go. And I think that's interesting.  He could sacrifice himself and die. He could turn good and live, but he is going to get reformed. I am sure of it. And anyway, Kylo Ren isn't all we've got in the way of villains. We still have hugs. There we go. Okay. Now you see what we're laughing about. Yeah. Well, Rip Hux. He's barely even in Rise of Skywalker. He's just a tool. He's literally a tool. Oh God. When has the night's of land literally.  But then they don't do anything. Thanks. I like how she mentions these. It's like hey, we still got these. Not even, JJ made these and he didn't care about them. But also like I wanted to that how the nights of Ren just go looking for her, even though they can track her ship.   It's very strange and you even have Po Recognizing that in the script like they're not chasing us. I don't trust it. It's like what do you mean by that? What what why would they not be chasing you? I don't understand it. What? It's so strange the whole script is so strange because you know the second they captured chewy Po and Finn They're like yeah kill them Like oh wow you guys that's your only goal right now. It's just wipe them out. Okay. I understand Like this this outfit of first-order troops with those two transport ships and the Knights of Wren And they were like a couple of meters away from the hero ship For a while that scene is such a disaster that on the desert planet. It's so strange like watching it It's like what is everyone doing you guys are all right next to each other. We don't seem to care That's one of the most bizarre scenes in that film When when Ray just walks out into the desert for no reason what they're like, um, hey, like we really got to get out of here Absolutely bizarre I think that little like even by her own explanation. Let's let's be real You you have a big bad establish in Snoke and she's not saying well, we still have the Knights of Wren We still have Hux Hux who is what like a mid-level especially after the last Jedi Hux is embarrassing like who cares about hooks at this point She's just pushed over all the time, but he makes those like those noises like Maybe in the best in the best of circumstances, maybe we have the Knights of Wren being potentially a Threat I guess but not Hawks Yeah, the Knights of Wren the problem is that he's just you've got you got to build them up In the one movie Because all we know is they exist up to these these two movies have only told us this this group of people that called the Knights of Red It's like, okay Right, we haven't seen anything about them and in fact what I know about them is all on from supplemental Material which makes them sound really cool, which only makes what actually happened to them so much We saw them in the Force Awakens though in that weird flashback scene. Yeah, we know they exist They're a group of guys. I think they they have armor sort of they have some Sorry, I said me I don't know Do you hear all of the female stormtroopers and rise the Skywalker Wow All kidnapped every single one.   I bleed I don't think all right. I'm not a product created by Disney in a factory That's what I would assume is her brand right. She's like it's cutesy. I think that was point was that I guess You know Let's be real she's cute Sounds like she's on down She's trying to be mean like she's fair of faucet. I don't like I mean I don't mind. I'm fine.  I've been for my way would you be a cat robot? Oh, love you do pity boo pity Because they virtually ended the story or This movie was pointless because the status quo was unchanged Yeah, I was gonna say we actually know now that it's a it's a movie that can be removed from the trilogy and it wouldn't really matter So I guess the criticism she's addressing is the one that a lot of people do typically throw at the last Jedi is the We're left with nothing to work with by the end of it I think also the idea doesn't change the status quo I Don't know that you have to do that in a Star Wars film Certainly changes status quo for Star Wars for a lot of people. I was gonna say like Snoke died So you'd have to argue that there's there's a status quo change to a degree It doesn't really change anything in the wider scale of things like everything seems to run normally, you know Like Snoke dying doesn't really do much He Kyler I just takes his position. It's like because they didn't do anything with him Yeah, we did what the problem is we didn't know how important he was anyway So him die is just like I don't know does anyone care. It's like nope Um And so then yeah, the problem with the TLJ is that if we were picking it up for our Explosive ending to this trilogy. It's just like right. What are we working with it's like a bunch of people are in a ship Explosive like hmm not not much and the comparisons you can make are just most trilogies The second one ends off with a bunch of things to work with just just off top of my head like Matrix Pirates the Caribbean Lord of the Rings Because you have the the 20 people on a ship at the end of the last Jedi that transforms into like a base on a planet Yes, I don't know whatever I don't know where they got it from or how they paid for it or who they got it from especially when When Poe talks about like reinforcements. He's like the last time we tried this they all abandoned us Like so you haven't since then tried to get more help, right? meaning You guys just found a planet landed with the Falcon and you somehow managed to just Saw all of this out. I don't know. It's yeah resources Ideas ridiculous when when Lando shows up with all of its reinforcements and I'm right Skywalker I don't think you could convince those people to do it if you like go go to this crazy dangerous planet to fight thousands of star destroyers like Like all right Lando. We're here. So who are we fighting? They don't have guns or anything, right? Someone's that we mentioned on Twitter that actually gave the exact number make a find it because it was way more than we thought It was like hundreds of millions of people Millions oh my god. Yeah, okay the Emperor Palpatine's final order had 10,000 Sith Star Destroyers each housing a crew of 29,585 this means the resistance and their Allied fleet killed roughly 296 million people in the Battle of Exigol. Oh my god, they were people they were force droids Where so Conformation that they're like where is there any explanation as to where they came from our war's tweets Star Wars facts at Twitter SW tweets. Hmm.  So We're stupid to apply somewhat realistic You know metrics to Star Wars now because apparently we can have armies of That size just all dying in a battle just blowing up as we've learned Maths doesn't apply to Star Wars in any way shape or form Just go up neither does life and death like these fundamentals like nope Star Wars is not subscribing to those This about these critiques is that they directly contradict each other But I have been hearing both with equal frequency. These are all things one of them's right and one of them's wrong All that they come from different people so they're not really Contradictive unless you've heard it from the same person, I guess. Yeah Both equally baffling statements to me the people who say the status quo hasn't changed usually say Kylo Ren is still evil Ray is still not trained Luke is still gone. The first order is still in power Yeah, hence why you can skip this movie. I don't think anybody Okay, Luke is still gone. I find that interesting if you in the film Yeah, so the idea being that he was gone for all the Force Awakens and by the end of TLJ is dead. I Guess the argument being that he and he didn't really do anything like he turned up to distract Kylo for a minute I guess Yeah, he killed himself in doing so yeah, and then it was confirmed that he didn't have to have killed himself It's it's my brain. There's a thing about how he um his his explanation even work because he used a part of one of the wings As the door to his little room Um, you got another one. Yeah, he's got one. That's fine. There's a spare. He had a spare in the trunk Or the resistance is still struggling Nothing happened, but like the status quo changed in a huge way There were several moments where I was like, I can't believe they went there The resistance wasn't doing too hot before but now they have like 30 people. Well, that's that's irrelevant Really, but see that that is where you would start a trilogy I think the idea that like our resistance team has 30 members You're like, whoa, but the end of the trilogy is like, oh guys We got to shore up these numbers because otherwise you can't get your because you're obviously gonna want an explosive finale I guess we could have done a completely different kind of movie Being the Yeah The S-Penon chef would have made sense But the whole thing is illogical because from the start of it shouldn't the whole idea of a resistance against a Empire that you thought was destroyed is silly Why is there a resistance? Oh There's no world-building Because they had that active while the Republic was active and I know that there's like the explanations in the books Other layer wanted them to be more militarized and they disagreed with her and they became like too passive And so she split off to make her resistance in case an empire should rise Imagine that was in the movie, but did did did the Republic though? Have no military force because that's what's implied They're all wiped out basically. Yeah, they all just died But over the course of 30 years, they never built up any other military force Any that they did was wiped out in those five planets apparently they were all just either on the planets or surrounding the planets And they all got blowed up Well, yeah Military They're all too close to each other to like they wouldn't be able to function that way It will just crash into each other something, but he needed the shot to look cool. Okay? Did you just like on a planet? That's what it comes really does.  I think Aiden, what did you think of JJ's track? I hated it so much that it makes me angry. Oh, thank you How could I not in the first movie? He blows up my home planet up to Kasi for no reason other than just blow up a planet with his red matter.  I Know that and it said it was a bad story was a it was a mediocre Star Wars movie So it's the best Star Wars movie we've had in a while. I would say that that Star Trek 2009 is Probably a better Star Wars movie than any of the sequels. Oh my god Probably true. I remember thinking that it wasn't a disaster, which is kind of where I'm at with then again I'm not a Star Trek fan. So that's probably why you don't understand. Yeah Can get trained as a Jedi because she has the Jedi books and looks a freaking ghost now So he could show up. Oh, yeah, that's why that's why guys. She has the books. She can get trained That's not a That's not actually a counter-argument works. Well, wait because if if the argument she's addressing is that ray has not been trained by the end of the force Awakens ray is still not been trained by the end of the force awakens and her argument is yeah, but she can be trained Like yeah, yeah, that's not really the point.  That doesn't make me a mechanic, you know Right, but she read them thoroughly and you know There was loads of really good instructions it was like step one I Could believe she learned how to read on Jakku.  He found in a sewer. I Mean, wait, you know the Jedi text. Are they even written like what are they written in? I Because I would actually have a problem with how could she read whatever they're written in they translated But it's probably in basic but still I mean language changes so much over time.  I don't like that But you're right like she would need someone to to explain it to her in terms of what it means and there's nobody left Yeah Issue I guess like I did layer. I mean like we Wrecked on that and that layer was trying. Oh my god. We could always talk about that terrible CGI, but I Guess Leia Understood old basic enough to translate it for her. That's not explained because they didn't have enough of Carrie Fisher. I Mean she might be able to use like one of their computers to do it, but it's still it's like This is all very far away. Well, I'm okay with it being translated plenty of people in that basic probably translate I just meant like she seems to be reading the books from the books. You know, I don't know That's just seemed surprising to me. Um, the more questionable stuff thousand years old You think that she would be very careful handling those the more questionable stuff I think is like the fact that she could swim that she could sail successfully on extremely choppy seas even though the locals are like Don't do it too dangerous like that's so funny.  You're telling me she all of a sudden knows how to do that with 300 foot waves She would have died. I don't care to have the force. Didn't you see her? Sliding down the hill and the force awakens on the sand. She knows exactly how to People are saying see 3PO in chat. Yeah, there's not just see 3PO. There's people that could translate the books I'm talking about the fact that she reads them directly But I think the thing with 3PO and what my biggest issues with that is that we have to look at This is just on the side as to why 3PO couldn't translate the sith is that it's literally a physical switch Inside of droids that would allow them to be able to have that kind of stuff turned on or turned off based on my Understanding and and you probably know way better than I do So like you could like flip a literal switch in him that wouldn't require him to lose his entire memory To to turn off that safety or you just save it on a flash drive You can plug into him download his memory do your switch and then plug it back in and reupload it You're telling me in this time with all the technology You don't have that. Oh Nope can't be done Why didn't they just have it float over and a bit more realistic than a stupid sailing thing Yeah, like you can fly just fly over the waves Established you can fly why did you fly at any other point in the film when she's that was that was done for the For the look of it without realizing the utility whatsoever, which they do that a lot in the sequels They're like, yeah, it was like wouldn't it be cool if she flew and everyone's like Yeah Yeah, that'd be cool Also apparently the cynic snacks is having fun on Twitter. It's like some guy said who has the time to watch e-fab He's like at least a hundred thousand people Yeah On my Twitter saying I can't believe you're talking about Jenny Nicholson again Why would you cover her last Jedi instead of the rise of the skywalk on it's like, oh my god, you don't have to watch it Yeah, I mean The right videos from her is like, okay What is that even like we why would we I think this is important because it puts this stuff on to perspective, right? It's showing how like this take has aged like milk Yeah I don't see why people would be more interested in seeing this one like look look at how she feels about this film and compare It to the new film that's released this isn't this not interesting. It's not like I Don't know is the logic here that we shouldn't cover anything that's older the next amount of years Apparently well because I'm telling you right now if we all went back and looked at our videos about the last Jedi They probably aged very well as compared to people like Jenny that loved it They didn't age so well. Did they I mean yeah, like like as far as I'm aware The way it works is if she had said on Twitter something along the lines of I Completely denounced everything I've said in this video. It's all inaccurate Well, we wouldn't know them all because we're all blocked true But I was also just gonna say that like there would be a consideration for not covering it at that point I'd be like well if she doesn't agree with anything in here, then I guess You know, there's not a lot of point that we can still address the arguments But we just have to Clarify that they're not attributed to her anymore because she doesn't believe in them But I'm pretty sure she stands by this video, right? I mean if I made a video that I completely it was like whoa I was 1000% wrong with that I would probably not remove it But I would make an update video and be like hey I'm not gonna remove that video, but I want to say like wow. I was wrong. That's just what I would do personally I don't you know, I Just I find it interesting to look back especially now that we've seen Riza Skywalker, so Cue He could appear to Kylo Ren. I don't know what they're gonna do with that But they could do things with that frankly. I didn't even understand people's interest in seeing Ray get trained in this movie I thought her what? Jenny's that you're not an intelligent person. This is the issue. This is the problem You can't even understand why you can't even disagree with it. You can't even understand why people would want it That's the problem. It was it was supposed to make up for force awakens. That was the whole point It was like finally just I know you're late. I know you late, but you can trade her now So you can justify a lot of things and what was her training Ray the force exists is good and bad Oh, okay Don't go into the hole and see a thousand don't go into the anus of the island Don't go into the island's dark People would have liked to just see a little bit.  I like living you or what? Oh Jenny with those reactions with her the both of the what? Statement is so disagreeable It's like I want to watch a star wars movie about a girl becoming a Jedi And her learning how to become a Jedi, but I don't want to see her train at all How we're on it. I don't know just just just play The co-tour games and you can see a girl become a Jedi either one of them. What are you playing those right now? That's so good.  Oh, man. You know what up?  Oh, yeah karth man, we go way back. Yeah karth and I we would sail across the Death Star ocean together Yes, it's underwater. It's kind of a place.  But then they don't want to talk about it And it just irks my soul and it's like god damn it. I don't care. He's got a lot of feelings What's the name of the guy?  I like him better than car I don't know Jim Yeah, jail. Let's have a gen. I'm thinking thinking carl Yeah, carl, carl, the guy you can make into a Jedi if you feel like it I think in carl, maybe bit Bert and Ernie No, no way Well, there's an Ernie who's also a woman you can turn into a Jedi if you feel so inclined in in co-tour two What did you want to say? I guess I should let our chat know that um We I my aunt did get back to me on the Bert and Ernie thing. Let me Atten, it's Bert and Ernie So some people say Bert and Ernie. Some people say Ernie and Bert No one says Ernie and Bert. It's Bert and Ernie I thought I thought that was a troll.  Oh, what? Right, I think that your aunts might be replicants I'll keep that in mind Oh Well, because I mean I went to the Jim Hiddinson exhibit a few years ago and it is Bert and Ernie I've always known it as bit and Ernie, but hey, you can be wrong. It's fine. I guess I trust rags as aunts more than I do Basically anyone else. Yeah, they they know they I just I just feel like they would know a lot about this sort of thing They're like the oracle compass of if one of their opinions on the last Jedi Yeah, I'm gonna shit about Star Wars. I'm sure they'd hate it They have to rags. They have to Anyway Move along with that. Frankly.  I don't know. I don't know man. No Can't you do it?  Oh no. How could she ever overcome these thoughts? I don't know Just people in childlike underdog No Oof.  That's how she can beat this. Oh, excuse me. I was gonna say I thought she can beat this should have a trained lightsaber Someone who's trained in how to use a lightsaber.  Yeah, the pain.  What's the point of training in anything? So the bad guy trains and trains and devotes himself. I don't think training is being demonized crazy Is uh Training and trying at things is like oppressive or something I'm like imagine telling your kid that is like dad if I practice and practice will I be good at something? Is like no, it's just you just are you on just are you aren't really are this is literally the gold star for Participation mentality that's whether this is you try it's not that she's an underdog for like five minutes when she gets captured it's like Yes, which enables her to rescue herself like this is the thing about When you think about what the plot does for characters like ray It's pretty crazy and I and you know, this isn't a joke the plot doesn't let her die even when she gets killed like yeah, wow It only kills her for the express purpose of bringing her back to life Evanescent song Oh And you know, this is the thing right like like uh What we used to get in terms of bad writing when it came to training was like Oh, let me guess you can have a training montage rocky style because everyone knows you gotta You got to earn the right to to have this character be able to do these things But now it is just like no not even that we're just not gonna have trading Yeah, but you have you have a roadmap for this, right? You could just look At star wars itself and see how luke was trained and see how he was trained Incompletely but still had some kind of capacity to understand how the force works But in this in this sequel trilogy Apparently and tell me if i'm wrong all force powers are transmitted Us like telepathically by watch or by watching them or by someone being related to them Oh, no, didn't you read the book that when they had their force skype call when they touched fingers Uh ray was able to download all of the training that kylo had and that's how she knows how to use the force even though He's already done incredible things before that No, no, no, no, that's how it is because that was in the book Well, I I haven't read the books because why would I do that but Oh my goodness I'm just saying that that is the argument that has been Screamed at me every time I say anything about it and it's like wow. Do you hear how ridiculous you sound Fucking yoda teach it all those kids just download that shit, dude Let's just awkwardly touch fingers From the school um a textbook store you can't just download the copies Wow, also how come po didn't learn how to use the force if he when he got forced tortured by that's different because he's not No, but but but wait oh fins force sensitive out of nowhere I don't I I don't know sorry Make sense. I It all fits It's like poetry. It's like pottery. It rhymes. It's like pottery. It spins. I Oh spin is a good trick the underdog This is how to hit people good with a stick But doesn't have any formal training is kind of what made her a good foil to kylo ren because he's basically no That's retarded. She's gonna make any she is not a good foil to anyone She's a godlike scavenger person It's like someone with a spoon at someone with a sword Hey, no, you're correct. You're right. You're right, but let me put it this way So in in in dnd There's a thing called wild magic, right?   I think maybe I just find it amusing to be like Talking about foils like characters that really just bounce off each other or into each other really well because of like conflicting values or attributes and you've got like These two like ray and kylo really Every time they bump into each other he's just like I want you to be a dark person and she's like no That is like super race. I do not want to do that. Stop it. I'm good because I am good I'm glad we understood that across the three films It was very interesting Jedi prep school kid who's technically a prince and now literally an emperor and speaking of which Kylo Ren is in charge of the first order now. That's a huge status quo change So I brought that up earlier as being like there is a degree of status quo change, but then I highlighted Nothing really changes. Yeah, nothing changes here He wants to stomp over the world Snoke did too He wants he has that's it What what like what changes with him in charge Well, I keep doing what they're doing but with him in charge They want to dominate the galaxy. They've got loads of people doing all these things such a bubble It's like it snow could have been alive in rise of skywalker pulling the strings quote-unquote and We could have opened with palpatine establishing by the way nox nothing Like yeah, he's sitting on that throne, but I control him like who cares, you know Like he could have been alive in that film and it wouldn't have made a difference I also kind of want to hear because kylo a prince. I don't understand where that comes from at all I guess because princess leia is a princess, but leia gave up her. Yeah, but it's from a dead planet She'd be yeah, right like she stopped being a princess No, she's still a princess and they even in the expanded universe they still refer to her as it even though her Because uh, then everyone that escaped alderan's distraction. She's still their princess I thought she kind of like Gave that up, but I I suppose but still like he's he's not really the kind of person that Has the sort of power that they're that she's implying upon him or this position I would say if we want to establish that snook was like not important slash Meh him dying is just what exactly do you think that changes? Especially if someone the person who takes over has the exact same intentions as him Which for some reason he does I would actually argue that it You know, it would have been interesting to see what kylo was going to do with the first order But as far as we can tell especially from rise of skywalker, it's just like I don't know just take over the world You know That's cool though, you know But like status quo change you're like no No Because even by the end of uh tlj all kylo's doing is trying to crush the resistance So How is that different from snook when the whole movie was snook trying to crush the resistance? Yeah, well I guess it's like the hope that something different will happen in the third theoretical movie at this point But they didn't do anything different outside of He eventually turns good But it doesn't matter because pride exists and pride is the fill in for um, you know bad guys who aren't palpatine They pride his old hucks. Yeah, probably just he's he's evil. He wants to take over the world He wants to kill people like all right Yeah, again, nothing to really work with here Did he even want that? I don't think so based on his offer to ray He is even less of a clear motivation than snook did and he just does it His motivation seems to just literally be make people respect him and that's why he's so fun and now hucks That's why he's fun. He's fun He wanted his father, but he's fun. He's fun.  I'm having a great time patricidal maniac Uh-huh. He's fun. We're having a great time and I mean When really do we see him trying to make people respect him? We watch him have a temper tantrum in an elevator smashing his mask. That's not somebody that's looking for respect You just hate fun. That's just a weird assessment of his character to me It's like, you know what I find so fun about him. He wants people to respect him. Like That's fun. Okay I would just I would ask it to elaborate on that because I just be like Where's the where's the part that you would enjoy more specifically It has to work for him and he's miserable and Kylo Ren's miserable He's in charge of this army that he didn't want surrounded by people who hate him and want him A spaceship How does that everything she just described now? How does that make him fun still? He's fun.  Why'd you guys hate me? They're all like You never really know what he's gotta do next Angry he could be sad he should be upset probably bad most importantly.  Is she she told him a snow? Can he be surrounded by one person? I don't think so. They're really fat right?  Hux is the only person who wants him dead as far as I know But that's in the next that's in the next movie. She doesn't know about that. No, no, no, that is That is in TLG I guess he oh, yeah, that's right. It's a very yeah, we have that one little thing. Yeah, he's surrounded by that That's my problem. Like why are you establishing that all of them want him dead? It's like it's just hux Why would a storm a random stormtrooper be like, yeah, do you want hux of kylo dead? I doubt that stormtrooper k I'd be like How does it affect me if he dies it's like well, I don't know really like I don't know I'd rather I don't I don't know. I don't even know why I'm here.  All right Maybe the guards hated him after he killed Snow he killed all the gods though Yeah, but no one left to really try and while they're really trying to understand what this woman's saying. Okay I understand why the guards started fighting him. It's like your master's dead. He's your new master They were upset Yeah, if anything if I was one of the guards, I'm like, um, you know, I guess you just on the paychecks now Yeah, just you kneel like all right Cool. All right. Well, anyway, I'm uh, I guess everyone gather round. I'm carl. This is steve. Fuck, you know Janice, uh We check out check out their weapons and they're all they're all showing you the cool weapons And the guy shows you his knife and he keeps like flickering like out of existence. He's like, yeah, my knife doesn't work properly Yeah, I'm sure it's broken. They say it'll get me killed, but I don't know. It's my favorite knife Favorite knife It it's it's got sith on it Surrounded by people who hate him and want him dead The villains are just a lot of really unhappy people just crying and blowing up planets for no reason But they're fine Why why is she explaining that as a positive? Because it's fun Fun we're having a great time. All right For the people that say they are Why do you hate fun, Mahler? I don't know. I was born wrong. Why does Mahler have this fun? Happy people just crying and blowing up planets for no reason For the people that say they already wrapped up the story like I mean, at least she admits it's for no reason. Well, but they they give us a reason It's like we want to get rid of the republics like all right. I guess that's a way to do it. It wipes them out Assuming that's how that works. You know, we get told that's all the people you want to rule over If your if your goal is to take over the galaxy You should have a galaxy left to take over Well, they bought five planets five out of well, it's probably like a thousand This is is fine, right?    He needs people left Also, I think we're talking the scale of everything here with the first order What if there are more people in the first order than people they would rule over? I don't even know what to say. I just kind of assume they have no imagination The scary mutant guy on the throne got killed.  It's great. Parents didn't end up being anything. I don't know why star wars fans are so Dynastic about it if ray wasn't raised by her parents and she doesn't remember them Then they don't really affect her character at all so You guys can you guys tell me your opinion on this if if you were abandoned as an orphan when you were super young By the time you become 18 you find out your parents do exist and they're findable. Do they those people mean anything to you? Uh, yeah Yeah, I mean assuming i'm not captain marvel And you might be like no, they don't mean anything to you because you know Water is thicker than blood in this story. It's like no come on. Everyone is like you're my biological parents I'd like to beat you. Yeah, it's like they're the understanding that those people are the ones who made you That that kind of carries a little bit of existential weight and then I can't believe it So that's one reason second would be what is the first thing ray's gonna ask them? Do you guys think? Why did you why on jacu?  I just wanted drinking money. That's gonna be big for ray to have to experience that directly from these people Wouldn't have been interesting at least it would have been more interesting than whatever they did, you know It's like kylo, is that true? Yes, I never lied to you. I never lied.  You see you didn't add. Yeah, that's what I meant Happen was that's what I meant I just it's funny like They have to cut off these ideas the idea that she meets her parents like no, why would she care the people who don't matter to her It's like what are you doing? Why are you arguing for this? That's not how humans work. Are you insane? Why why is this the hell you died on it's like they died on this hill because it's not what happened in the last jedi That's why Anything that didn't happen in the last jedi is bad and probably boring Dick about it if ray wasn't raised by her parents and she doesn't remember them Then they don't really affect her character at all But she doesn't remember them. Oh that aged well It shows the It shows the scene where she's like seven and she's crying and she's watching their ship fly away She 100% remembers them. Also how meaningful these people are to her when she finds out they died to protect her It's like nah, they didn't raise it who cares What Oh jebby mandatory conditions She needs to know about if her parents abandoned her Maybe that will make her feel angry or betrayed and if they loved her and died Maybe that will make her feel sad or avenge. Why is she highlighting reasons? She would like to confront these people when yeah, I was about to be like Then you're helping us here stop back on track Like And that's literally the only degree to which they matter beyond.  Um, okay That her knowing their names are kanobi or banks or whatever doesn't really hold any additional value.  We we're shown it.  So it matters. You're like, oh my god um The idea that it's like who cares it's just a name.  Is it cute? Yeah, you're like baby. He's cute. Yeah, he's cute. He's so cute. He's so cute.  Is that what you think? Oh, you guys think anyone can become a murderous People changes in the words of a famous documentary on a guy called steve, but people do changes That in mind people don't go from being the hero of the galaxy To being like I had a bad dream. I'm gonna kill my nephew I'm excited about this portion of the video If darth vader could be redeemed, so why wouldn't he try to redeem his own nephew instead of killing him? Vader was luke's stronger enemy who he demonstrably could not kill if he literally beat him What do you mean? He nearly killed him Boo Throws popcorn This is why I said guys she didn't grow up watching star where she only has watched it recently And she wasn't paying attention They were beat darth vader in a lightsaber fight Okay, even though he did Clearly did the whole point was that luke spit him to the dark side Yeah, because that according to jenny did not happen.   I uh, I'm so confused jeffie. I don't know what is happening. What is the universe right now? I mean unless he was swinging his lightsaber toward his neck in a friendly way luke was unable to luke went for a kill shot. That's the point for his neck and accidentally hit his wrist.  It wasn't just oog's worth a shot. I guess No, he literally went against yoda and obi one's advice on it, too What the hell like how did you this is what it's like. Did you watch the movie?  Doth vader just straight up killed people Guys, it's been a while since I watched the last jedi But didn't luke say that he just saw that kylo ren was leaning towards the dark side He didn't actually see him murder people. Um, let's let's pull it up. Shall we I'm trying to remember All right, we'll try to block that movie out. I know it's It follows me in my dreams Um force awakens. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, no, not that one. You're way from me. The somehow worse one Yep I saw darkness I sensed it building in him I'd see it in moments during his training But then I looked inside and it was beyond what I ever imagined snow could already turned his heart he would bring destruction pain and death and The end of everything I love because of what he will become I guess he just sold vader though Yeah, well vader's fine This is the thing I can never believe that luke would go with that from fucking looking inside someone's head.  Uh, he threatened to murder my sister I won't plan to get destroyed Yeah, 100% you know, we can't relate on any level whatsoever.  He's like, all right kylo You're thinking of killing some innocent younglings. I see Hi, my name is kylo and it has been three weeks since I've killed younglings Hi kylo I Got an open opportunity to prevent this before it happened by killing ben. He literally just had the thought I could do that All right That's luke's guy woke up here Kill him. Yeah I can work that in in between uh golf and uh murder she wrote maybe Straight up murder The real question is like why wouldn't yeah again, why wouldn't luke do anything else before just being like, you know what?  There's no in between. There's no thought process Now if it had been if it had been that maybe she was Mine controlling him or something and this had all been worked into the entire Saga, I guess if you want to call it that then maybe that would have made sense I don't want to call this on you actually Yeah, whatever you want to call it. I would Nightmare, I don't know. I'd call it a fever dream In this this three film long nine hour fever dream Yeah, you could have done something where this is that would have made it at least make a little bit more sense Just just maybe not a little bit more sense any sense at all Yeah, it's ridiculous.   I just I feel like if I just thought, uh, my parents don't love me So I'm gonna murder them and so I went and I got a gun and I loaded the bullets and I went to the room In the middle of the night I was sleeping and I pointed the gun at them and put my finger on the trigger And then at that point I stopped I feel like that would like wow That's like 17 terrible decisions that I've made consecutively. I just Like say I'm in your house for some reason at that time I see you with the gun Like I'd see you do it all then you're like, why do it? Oh, I I'm not allowed to have the thought now Calm down God, I'd be so like I'd be sweat bullets.  He wakes up and he looks at luke over with a lightsaber and looks like I didn't do anything Why are you flipping out dude? I was just thinking about it. Yeah, just just go back to bed. I haven't done anything Yeah, that's for enough I was gonna give you like some waves.  It's like luke. What are you doing right now? Again, like if it had been if they had set up sheave coming back as as terrible as that is As stupid as that is if they had set it up from the first film And then it was like oh like sheave is this kind of like weird force power or ghost or whatever the fuck he is that can transfer himself from body to body that maybe he like Infects luke while he's asleep and vulnerable that might kind of have made sense. There's shit you could do with this that might actually Be somewhat logical within the universe you've established But you didn't do it instead you just made luke a fucking Homicidal crazy person you could have had sheave narrating in the last one is like Is like I I had to go to luke while he was sleeping because when he was awake he was too Resilient he was too strong in the ways of the force But while he was asleep Then I could it influence his thoughts or something like that You know it shows the underhandedness of the villain And the vigilance of the hero and it still shows luke to be you know strong in the force and a good person Yeah, and what made him seclude himself at that point was the fact that he could never have believed that he'd be the guy to hurt His own family and then what redeems him is finding out it wasn't him at all 100 percent that's that's exactly that would actually make sense for luke's seclusion of being like oh I'm potentially vulnerable because of my family's A background being a part of uh or you know being uh tempted by the dark side that I have to seclude myself But none of this is done There's what I discovered I was being Makes sense Ancient and I think snow could have been putting a bug in kylo's ear and telling him like hey, you know they don't trust you, right?  Kylo, look up.    He's like, yeah I don't think it's fine.  I don't know.  I think she's saying if it with that she'd agree But the way it stands is fine I would be like, yeah, that's not really what I'd expect from our good guy But that's not what happened also to put it one way It feels a little weird to see people so up in arms overseeing a heroic jedi character Momentarily considering doing a bad thing wasn't that I like the the broad strokes here nice and broad Considering doing a bad thing and you're like what do you mean by that jenny? It's like killing Momentarily this difference between momentarily thinking uh, I want pizza and then momentarily thinking Oh, I want to decapitate nephew Yeah, and yet and yet both of those can come under you momentarily thinking about doing a kind of bad thing No, could you imagine luke like if he succeeded and leah's like, oh, how's ben's training going? Oh, I killed him That's great, that's great He hasn't written many space letters in like three weeks i'm getting worried Like oh, he's just studying hard that rascal him Oh That rascal ben skywalker. What's his last name actually to be honest solo solo solo, I guess.  That's right. That's right boys When the universe has pre-established the idea of the dark side A specific evil force whose whole thing is not specific about the force anymore Things like if you had to make a checklist of things that canonically you would expect jedi to do It would go like meditate Have a lightsaber And resist the ongoing insidious temptation to do bad things Oh my oh, yeah, but the third one the third one's just me This is what she thinks the entire jedi order is based on I I might Wow, this hurts. I mean at this point anyone can do anything then, right? There's no Uh, that's that's really Really not a jedi if you don't have a lightsaber Yeah, you're a padawan I think rags the point is it goes beyond the lightsaber So that all a jedi is is having a lightsaber and Meditating and resisting the dark side. That's all being a jedi is holy She doesn't know anything about star wars I'm I'm honestly speechless at that point. Holy shit It just uh when when when people take the force to like Especially what the sequels have taken it's just like we start to lose characters in general Because everyone's just this this ping pong ball and the dark side and the light side Just shoving them around everywhere and it's really not their decisions that matters just how much they were influenced at the time Um, I don't like that as much because I like it when my characters make decisions They're informed by their motivations and values not Well, you know the dark side so you know Luke trying to kill his family members You know think about it dark side is there It's all spooky in the background. So Anyone could do anything you will really Like why couldn't you just you know, she said it would be ridiculous to have seen him having a full-on battle with uh Kylo couldn't I have just said to her it's like well, he's battling the dark side at the time. It was really getting to him makes sense Luke resisted temptation that one time And that means that he'll never be tempted to do bad things again Just like temptation works in the real world. Oh my god.  Oh, oh, what time is it? I don't know Four hours, I guess. I don't know all the time. You know me.   That's just reality that if you just try to do these things It's going to backfire on you. She doesn't understand star wars and I don't think she's actually seen Maybe she saw them but she wasn't paying attention The more she speaks the more I'm convinced of that I mean, she's the same person who said the joke is message was the you should stop taking medication Don't you get it guys? It was a joke.  Yes Number five laya poppins This is a small one for me because I kind of get it. You're probably like them. Why is it number five?  He couldn't believe it uh A lot of people did It's like superman is kind of a silly image then like Yeah, it is for me not enough that it really took me out of it And some people feel differently. Like I said, I get it But I'm seeing some people complain in the context of here we go since winded princess leah half of the force Which she's no one said that. No, we know she has the force. That's not the issue There's a difference between like oh, I could sort of sense Something at a distance. I guess for example, we were fine with her Feeling harm die in false awakens. Everyone was fine with that Yeah, but like man this pump this cranks that up to 11 being able to fly around and live in space It's the kind of um It's the kind of thing because ryan johnson argued that it's not about her training It's not about the fact that she's prolific with the force It's the exact same experience as a woman picking up a car to save her baby. It's the adrenaline you get in those moments That's how he justified it So if she's about to make the defense that it makes sense that she can do this from a power stab point ryan johnson disagrees with you like he doesn't think she should be able to do it normally He's saying that this was a special moment in which she Used a shit ton of force power Watching her planet get destroyed though. Yeah, there wasn't any adrenaline there or emotions or anything There he flies now He flies now The original trilogy and then people are like when did she have training? Well, it's been 30 years I don't know.   She's like Because it's fun years. I don't know Well, like, you know When when snook is trying to have kylo kill ray ray pulls out a blaster and shoots kylo in the head And we're like, whoa, what how and then she goes did she have a blaster? I don't know I guess she did How I guess Well, you could always say it was the one that han solo gave her and so it's like poetic justice that she kills kylo with the gun that han gave her if only that's the ending we got But it wouldn't make sense because kylo's supposed to be the snokes supposed to be holding her still And why wouldn't they have checked her for weapons before she came in? You know, I'm just well my point is that anything could happen and then jenny'll just be like this could happen. I don't know Okay That when people are strong in the force it will come to them in times of need Like almost that's how it works. I don't think that's how it works.   Help me out. It's like no. Maybe I forced like sorry bro.  He's like what? You'll be fine Saber to her without knowing that that was a thing she could do or how ezra would use the force to help him in his Heists without knowing that it was the force he was even using ezra is the one from rebels in case you're a fake fan Who doesn't watch children's programming or anna kin the only reason she knows about that Is like I said she works for disney so she had to know the characters because she had to sell them She's wearing a shirt Example considering ezra was getting trained by kanan who him himself hadn't even finished his training He was just a Jedi knight when his master was killed during order 66 so Oh my god And ezra was like tempted by the dark side and you actually get to see that stuff way more than you get to see with Ray Oh my god This one in chat said java was full-stead stiff. He could have survived. You don't know I want to see java floating through space With one arm reaching out Oh dear god more Oh java oh that piece of gristle such a he's a great character best character Was it the force he was using when he was like age nine really good at flying ships and building robots Or was she just good at that stuff? I can't stand considering this was kary fishers. Oh my god mannerisms. How how much of an insufferable cunt she is I don't think that she understands that like people have like naturally gifted reflexes It's like some kids are really good at building stuff or understanding math or reading at an early age Where other kids are really good at sports other kids are really good at like drawing and stuff from an early age Ever seen chinese kids? What does that have to do with it? Extremely Almost unnaturally gifted children at specific things But I mean This example that she's using it's it's My head hurts and i'm sick and I don't want to talk but Um remember when anakin was like the super special chosen one that was prophesied and it was like a big deal Well, she's still talking about ezra.  Yeah, that was his life It was all about mechanics and stuff He was like how toddlers now know how to use like We allow these things we allow rey to be a a decent Mechanic slash scavenger. We gave her that we were like, okay Most characters come with like an inherent trait that we don't need to see them develop because we're just like, okay So this is we you get to be that because that was your That is explained by your upbringing surrounding whatever then you're like also. She's this also. She's this also And you I could stop stop stop stop stop stop stop too much and people say that about anakin and it's like Oh that he was a good pilot and and he could work well with like as a mechanic.   I didn't know what happened. I mean you could say that that was self defense I mean you can totally argue that but you still You're complicit in the murder of the person self defense of trying to kill Well, I mean if rag's trying to shoot you with a gun if I can deflect it anyway If I if I could deflect it anywhere I choose to deflect it into him like my intent's pretty clear. Well, it's a spur of the moment decision, right? Nobody's gonna. No, I'm saying it's not With a gun then you have Why would you admit that you knew Instead of well, we're not arguing whether or not I'm trying to protect myself from extra time in jail We're talking about the truth Let's talk about what the force whatever is going on with she viz, right? It doesn't seem enough. Would it really matter if he's able to move his spirit from clone to clone Why would it really matter whether or not he forced lightning himself to death? Ultimately who was responsible for his death is ray So why does she not become possessed by power like ultimately Again, this is something that would have made this whole series makes so much more sense if that ray Was possessed by palpatine at the end or if you know at some point if palpatine had been set up from the first film That uh that he's some kind of force spirit or something that exists within the force that can influence it It would make so much more sense. I just don't understand that there's so many better things you could have done here, you know Well, I mean they could have explained why she was such a mary sue is because she's the descendant of palpatine and she had that evil within her That you know made her so good at everything until at the end she goes to the dark side and then that's why kylo has to Kill her and kylo is good and right. I think uh, do you think jj wanted it to be a palpatine from the beginning or just as of dros That's 1000 What do you think you what do you think his plan was before that because you it definitely wasn't going to be nobody Like uh, there's that quote from I think simon peg and a couple of other people that were like Yeah, ray's parents was supposed to be a significant thing, but I guess it's not I think she was really supposed to be a luke's daughter I mean, that's that's what everyone was expecting luke or or maybe ob one like that seemed to be what they were setting up because Everyone in in star wars is related to somebody else and I said earlier that like it seems to be the force of serenity but it it doesn't necessarily mean that You'd have to be related, but I don't know. I thought that's how the story seemed to go Han and leah's daughter and you know, they they left her on jacu Because kylo went crazy. So they're like we have to put our child into hiding So that way to protect her from our other psychopath child That would have made sense to particularly since they're the dyad and then it could have and then it could have been like pottery It would rhyme with the first But there was I mean that's why when kylo's like what girl and it's like oh so because it implies that he kind of knows of her in um Fuck what's the first one called? All right horse awakens because he's like oh what girl and it's like oh does he know of her does he know that There's some girl out there. So i'm like was it his little sister that he just hadn't met yet or hadn't seen since she was a baby I don't know it's just They could have done so much in the fact that this is what we got it's like If they were separate dibblings again, it would have been like pottery It would have been a reflection of the original trilogy And that might have made more sense.   And there was one person who said well, um Someone was calling out ray low for being toxic and said how and we're talking about how volatile It was on tumblr. I think it's someone messaged them a ray low message Messaged them and said well, um black people are like 13 of the population and make up like 90 of the crimes He's black and they're more likely to be Domestic abusers He got done so dirty. He was you know potentially the most interesting character He was there for a ray from the second he met her He's like all right. I'm gonna help you and all he tries to do in this entire series is to help ray not thinking too much about his own wants and desires and He just gets flat line. Yeah. China.  They did this horrible shit where it's like they Okay, and and we all know this is that they set up the thing with fen words like oh Well, I have so many to tell you ray and and and it never happens Because you can't do this at the 11th hour in the third film Maybe if it had been set up to some degree in the second film more But no they had to have fen go off on his weird animal adventure with um I thought you were referring to roses the animal Yeah, that's she's more of a plant than anything else Get it because she's a rose I followed along. Oh I see Yeah, I I guess we'd have to get the the specifics but um Is is if if palpatine can travel between Bodies then surely him getting disintegrated wouldn't matter because he was disintegrated twice previously. So who cares? um whether or not Ray killed him or Like I said, I surely it counts as ray killing him because people people were saying that like It's a difference between murder and manslaughter. It's like both cases. You would have killed them like I'm not in a court of law. I don't think she'd be punished That severely but she's clearly you know, like how in in attack of the clones where Yoda takes in the lightning from dooku and then fires it back at him Like the firing back is the part that I'm trying to address with like intent to essentially kill Like ray could bounce that lightning anywhere. She chooses to bounce it at him. I'm not saying that's not something you should do I'm actually on board with it. I'd probably do it myself But doesn't that mean that kind of the thingy will then jump into a body and flism inflasms Well, if it wouldn't have satisfied the arrangement of the ritual wouldn't he have stopped? Well, that's the other thing if he's What if he was disintegrating himself thinking, ah, this is gonna be great I'm gonna go into Ray's body Then he did I I prefer the the head canon version where she dies. She falls over and he's floating.  So I guess she wasn't actually dead. She was just dying Because of course she would disappear, right? She's the most virtuous of all the Jedi. She would of course become one with the force, right? She should just be invisible Very confusing Anyway, my head hurts I don't think they ever told us considering this was Carrie Fisher's last performance as princess leah I was kind of glad that we got to see her use the force at least one time Since it turned out that this is our last chance. That's the that's the like well at least we got that It's like you couldn't have done that in any other way.  Okay, this one is from my personal facebook feed. So I have to block out the name But I just this is one of the worst takes I've heard number four Everything was hold those fault for not anticipating that Poe was going to ruin everything Oh my god Yeah, no, he's right Poe's right Poe's right and this comment is correct majorly. I'm just right couldn't defend this like they gave up Poe was right. Holder was wrong. I'm sorry. It's been two years. Can we please get past this? Holder was just like a trope for ryan johnson to put his weird sexual fantasy into star wars Yeah, I remember reading that quote. That's weird. He was like she's sexy.    I like how you can break this down with anybody as well It's like first of all, is it Poe's fault that Finn allows some random person we don't trust to hear the conversation That's Poe's fault. That's obviously Finn's fault.   It's like what? Yeah, but they could like look out their windows, right? No All right, not even that.   I die exactly did they not realize that like the command center on You know any Star Destroyer is just windows and they could Visibly see all of the ships. Oh, yeah, they show hucks and them looking out of the Of the bridge at the radish and all the ships and I'm like, what why didn't you see that? Why didn't you see we've established they can't see And when they're like we've ran in a decloaking scan, sir We've discovered the ships like what do you mean you what why does I'm not always using a decloaking scan Like literally 24-7.   Isn't that what he asks for? He explicitly says tell us there's a plan tell us there's a plan That's it.   We've got a plan.   Do you remember how Poe describes the dreadnought? They're fleet killers They're fleet killers. What are we? Oh And even if it's only one ship it makes sense what Poe does I don't Like Poe did nothing wrong. There are no arguments that we have heard in years To satisfy the idea that's what we had for major lee was uh leia slapped him Oh Most of it wrong. Leia is also wrong.  It's it's it's complete fiction. It's based on nothing But the fact that is that she likes Poe.   It's an entire ship. So Poe just got demoted for disobeying orders specifically in the context of having a disregard for human life because the ends just No, it's actually a regard for human life It is designed for a ship where they have to be physically over another ship to let lose their bomb instead of This is what has always Baffled me about this argument is the idea that your soldiers are going to die Like that's just going to happen that they fight people they they're guys trying to kill you You're trying to kill them if you do not fight them.  It's so it's it's so Obvious it's so like it's a bare bones concept And like they can't grasp it like what what I would like to ask him. What is the alternative like, okay So if Poe did the wrong thing, what is the correct thing to do? Please tell me what the correct move would have been in this situation Because we know that the dreadknot would have destroyed them moments later Like there wouldn't have been a hyperspace out and then the the first order follow them in and then they slowly pick All of them off with the dreadknot until the last ship is left and holder was standing there with Poe saying Hey, you did the right thing. Yeah, you did the right thing. You listen to Leia. Who's dead? I Find it fascinating that she attributes this to a lack of concern for human life when he's made it explicitly clear It's about saving as many people as possible Is like do these people think that you could win a war and just not lose anybody like how have you been? You're What have you been doing up to this point? Of having a disregard for human life because the ends justify the means poldo's plan Is to sacrifice their biggest strongest warship in order to save as many lives as possible We the audience know wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait Hold those plans to sacrifice their biggest ship to save lives But this is after the dreadknot's been destroyed. Yeah, that wouldn't be a possibility. Yeah Yeah, that's not a possibility at this point Also, if anything that just highlights the issue of well, why didn't they just hyperspace into the dreadknot cannon? Why didn't you just have one of those ships hyperspace into the dreadknot? You see that's the thing it all breaks down.  You don't have it.  It's like, yeah, but you'll definitely get caught if you don't Or at least assume that po isn't a horrible monster And would ultimately agree that this is a wise course of action But what reason would holdo have to believe that he'd go along with it? When everything she knows about him a guy she just met So this is the funny part uh in the film he is explained the plan like the plan is explained to him and he says That just might work. Okay Let's do it. I guess holdo was just bad at judging her own team I guess she yeah, I guess I guess her idea of who he was Was wrong and as a result of that it created a mutiny and she wasn't even correct Why does no one ever remember by the way that he's not the only person you mute needs against her? There's like several members of the team Suggests the exact opposite also It's possible that this military leader doesn't think that it's the wisest course of action to reveal every facet of her plan to Every stop saying it like that. No, that's what we're asking. He is the commander of the moment ago Commander of the entire fleet. He's a war hero. He's the best pilot He is if anything, he's the person who needs to know Is it no one ever said that she needs to tell everyone from po down to the janitor What is the name of this type of argumentation? Because it's someone had a meme of it before basically like straw man No, like when you go so you you say like we should probably um Tell like some form of the plan should be told and then she just immediately jumps to the entire plan you're like No, uh, just the existence of a plan. How about that?  There's gotta be a name for it.  Yeah So it's a shibbaphesius Slippery slope false dichotomy It's so frustrating It's like because they do it with the whole you know when when people say Luke should have showed up and actually like fought it's like y'all you want him to jump around and kill every single thing in the universe He's like no The point is like we can't even agree on all the different kinds of ways This is a fallacious argument.  I'm just so tired of being told like this is what you want It's like no, I I literally want the scene to run out. I'd like to see how it goes He says tell us there's a plan and then she goes there's a plan And uh, let's just say my entire bridge know about it. We're all we everything is set up We're going to live po have some hope I'd like to see how he'd react to that and if he started going no, that's not good enough I have to know the specifics. I'd be like, hmm It's interesting that could actually be way more interesting drama than just going Can you please tell us we're not all dead? That would be great It's like, yeah, I'm I'm the best pilot you have. I command respect. I'm a war hero He's the captain besides he's the second in command to her if we'd go by riser skywalker Yeah, I mean I I mean I feel like I should know what the plan is given my position and status and the control that I have Like what if something happens to you what then Like shouldn't someone else know the plan? No, well apparently everyone did except the three people who boot need Crazy part someone else is that when he mutinies there's people who are boarding the transport ships And it's it's like do they know they must know that they go into crate right because po doesn't know that at the time Do they not know I don't know like I just po go ask them see if they know see if everyone knows except for you for some reason Yeah, it's like po everyone's getting on these transports Maybe maybe we should ask him if this is like part of the plan And if they're all like no, we were just told to board and we don't even know where we're going I'd be like, oh my god So we're going somewhere on these transports. That's something I mean, uh, that's he he highlights that in the in the room. He says like You're just gonna fill up these transports and run and then he establishes that they've got no shields They're just dead if they do that, which is true Uh, because the the the interesting part is for some reason they're cloaked in a way that the first order cannot see them And there's this helpful little planet that's right next to them and you're like, oh Oh Remember layer explains this to him. She's like crate.  Oh my god Yeah, is this the planet that's hidden from I would be really disappointed if my captain was told we're all gonna die and he was like, all right Yeah, like dude, can you don't don't you care? Like, oh, I just follow in orders Uh continue journey information and if the enemy found out it could result in a lot of people being blown up Which turns out to be what happens. That's what happens though. It's not Really what happens that is that's literally what happens like they barely escape with anybody Yeah, but they blame po for that because it came from dj and that came from Finn opening the phone call to po people blame po for what happens in that scene Yeah, finn gets a call from po finn opens it up. Hey, what's up?  So it's like, do you remember the guy they just randomly bumped into Who could do everything they need him to do? Do you remember that happens in tlj? They came for a code breaker They found a literal replacement for this very extremely skilled specifically talented person In the prison cell that they get thrown into when they're arrested and he knows how to break out of there as well It's like wow and he doesn't want payment if you remember he actually says Because people always try and argue that he was like a mole that was sent in from the first order and it's like No, he was just a random dude. No, it's just a guy And he was cool with helping them but once he's captured and he makes it clear He doesn't actually he doesn't subscribe to good or bad. He's just like, I don't know just trying to make my way like He paid he managed to get out of the first orders clutches by selling off The what he knew from the phone call that fin allowed him to listen to for some reason I'm pretty sure fin talks about it in front of him as well later Like when he's talking to rose in like one of the corridors. I think he mentions it So Again more fins fault in every sense than pose Oh Because po found out about the plan number three people hate the kid with the broom at the end because they think that now We're gonna get a film about the kid with the broom learning. I've never heard this before. Yeah, I didn't hear this I don't care if we get a film about the kid with the broom Yeah, I think it I think it'd be interesting to learn about broom boy growing up being incredibly bitter at a republic that couldn't stop him from being in slavery and People who came in and set animals free instead of helping him.  It's like I'm fine with him pulling broom two feet Yeah, for me, it's not significant enough to complain about especially if people are okay with baby yoda Uh, surely this works out just fine. I wouldn't I would have to look into it. I guess Yeah, but people people don't use the people don't use the same standards to judge mandolorian that they do for this sequel Jedi oh my god, it was an epilogue. I feel like some of these people an epilogue. Why does why does it matter? Yeah, I don't I don't yeah, it doesn't matter I've never watched a movie before it's like when war of the worlds played on the radio And nobody's old timey brains could handle that it was a fake thing. I feel like nobody is taking are you saying broom boy is fake What are you? Just because it's an epilogue doesn't in fact there's Contrary to the idea that it didn't happen and the prequel And then it's just okay.  It is literal. Why would it what are you saying it's a dream sequence? I know it's a what she's aiming for that we've met previously in a place that we've already been What she's aiming for is to explain that the scene doesn't exist in a way that's like narratively relevant It's supposed to make a point and that is that anyone can be inspired to be anything in this world Yeah, but it still happened It's still a scene that happened.  You're not very bright Like you're trying to rationalize away just a scene existing Well, I also the scene is so minor. I don't even know why she's focusing on it at all Yeah, I It is such a minor scene. I didn't have a problem with it.    I feel like we've entered into something weird here Um I I is she trying to say that Because they made a sequel to titanic that we would think that it's actually real because it's a sequel to titanic There was a titanic 2 Here's a titanic 2 electric boiler across the ocean I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and play that again because I have got very little to clutch here And they were like, oh my god I can't believe they were cheap enough to set up a sequel where they're all ghosts On the ghost titanic number two the oh, that's it. Wow um the point's over Yeah, I I guess that her tiny tiny brain Is doing its best In an attempt to try and say the people who had a problem with broom boy in the scene Would think that a ghost sequel to titanic Would be literal. All right. The best I've got from building from what you've just said is People are inventing theoretical sequels to a scene that doesn't necessarily imply one Similarly, they would invent titanic 2 even though there's no scene to imply that Is that what she's saying? But but I I'm curious. What about broom boy the scene Would that happened that wasn't implied because we know he's a character. We know that's a place. We know the force exists We know that's his job Like It's not nonsensical in any way I don't You're bad at this for someone who does this for a living. You're really bad at this We did our best. Okay people. I don't know what her point was. We'll just move right along. Yeah The plot was pointless because their plan didn't even work.  Let's hear it. It doesn't matter. Nonsensical it supports the theme everybody.  Don't I look beautiful and they're like, well, it does match the theme Oh, yeah, that's That's when you know you fucked up Like oh man The last Jedi is failure And being able to learn from past mistakes You know what I even says it in like a really convenient thesis state convenience is one way to say it So if she likes the movie it will be a convenient thesis statement If she does not like the movie it'll be like a heavy handed blatant thud from the script I find it the fact that she starts to smooth it by saying like about her I'm going to go into my psychological stuff and she has all the videos and and this is again I'm not trying to talk shit about Jenny But she has the things where she's like No, I'm not gonna mean but she she has like she talks about how like she has like psychological input on stuff and I Are uses a thesis statement. I don't necessarily think you know what any of those words mean I'm just kind. I'm gonna princess have write it up. They keep using those words I'm not sure if you know what they mean, but go ahead I'm okay with the thesis statement of the last Jedi being considered failure is the greatest teacher I've said this like a million times. I'm fine with that. I just think the film does a horrible job of executing that message And uh, it's a good thing. They had Yoda say it. Otherwise people might not have guessed that If this was a think piece that Yoda quote would be the inset text in big bold letters about halfway down the page The Jedi order failed Anakin and failed to see what was going on with Palpatine And the whole thing fell apart because they were failures. Luke failed himself by being Oh, we go back to the prequels can't be asked for this. I'm so tired of people being like everybody Like we have to go through each one of these characters and explain how the failure is all booked And and the idea that the the jedi failed to stop Palpatine. It's like it's not for lack of trying Lots of things happened. They uh That's what I mean. Like I just it's so it's so skewed In terms of an assessment, it's the same as what Luke says it really bugs me where he's like a jedi is responsible for the training of Darth Vader it's like okay um And then and and rey does it in the film. It's like a jedi was responsible for bringing him back and then Luke's like It's like what you can't just ignore this And yeah zillion jedi and one of them turned out bad I mean, but it's gonna happen no matter what like that that's a part of the force, right If the force is inherently this weird Back and forth between the the light and dark side then obviously some people that you train will become will fall to the dark side That's that's a you know Occupational hazard. I guess you could say So I yeah, it's a little odd And i'm waiting for it. She's gonna throw Poe into this. He failed when he You know valiantly saved the entire fleet. That was a failure and um I thought the uh the theme of that section was that capitalism is bad Not that we have failures as a best teacher Or are they mixing it up? Uh, I think you could argue that that's it's both of them again because like she says there's only one way to get this rich Profit hearing off war to capitalize on the suffering of others that sort of thing. It's like I like what about selling space fuel? Well, I just it just it just amuses me the idea that you have some people who are hardworking create weapons They sell them to whoever's gonna buy them and a war gets fought and they don't care about like who wins or loses or other They're just like, uh, I'm just a weapons manufacturer But I suppose we're just out here.    It's best teacher Rose and fin fail To do their actual goal with that mini plot and then they just come back home.  It's a success at that point They miraculously find pretty much a carbon copy of the person that they need So Uh, it's not even a failure until they get Captured And then everyone starts getting blown up Yeah So arrogant he failed to see that his apprentice was going to kill him The ugly deformed monster that physically tortures him Instead of ray the pretty girl who was nice to him and held his hand Snoke even made that statement about how it's a good idea to keep around a crazy man Who's evil because you can manipulate him into doing exactly I don't think he said crazy.  He could be manipulated. He wasn't crazy I don't think anyone would call huck's crazy.  Yeah, he's not crazy. He just Exactly what you want him to that statement was very wrong and he got murdered because he was a failure The praetorian guards failed. No, I'm kidding. Those don't count as real characters They did fail though ray wanted to get trained as a Jedi and she thought she could turn kylo ren good again And she failed at both of those things For now, so when kylo ren says let the past die Oh, look ray isn't a Mary Sue because she failed at something Yeah, I Such a funny failure the whole she failed to like she believed in someone and they failed her that's her failure like okay Really? I mean doesn't that take all of the agency out of out of ray if if her only failure Is it somebody didn't do what she wanted them to do? How In any way is that raised seeing multiple people have said huck's is kind of crazy in the first one because of the speech He gives is like no, it's not. He's not crazy. I mean, he's incredibly aggressive I do want to uh, someone just said uh, huck's not huck's uh, snook describes them as a rabid cure If he like I want to check the script if that's true I could see how you can extrapolate crazy from rabid. That's actually fair Yeah, but I he he's not though. Well, he's certainly not huck's but the idea is um Yeah, he does call him a rabid kid the the the idea you can extrapolate from snook in that statement when he he says Do you wonder why I keep a rabid cure around in a place of power? The cure's weakness is that it's when properly manipulated can be a sharp tool And rabid just means fanatical Hmm Doesn't mean crazy.  Yeah Yeah, um But here when he's literally saying no, no, let's leave it all behind. Let's go Come on. Let's take a boat to bermuda and she's like no and he's like, all right Then I guess I'll just go right back Unless of course, this is a possibility that snook was just trying to say that both huck's and kylo had rabies That is possible. They could both have space rabies. That is that is true. You get bit There must be a couple rats on those star destroyers, you know, yeah a few He says that is that he's the villain and he's wrong.  Um Oh Oh The reason the protagonist succeeds is because they're the protagonist I feel like it's a good very generous this whole failure thing is very very generous like, um You could start, you know, like a new hope you like lair failed because alderham was destroyed han failed because He did not end up paying job of the hut luk failed because he couldn't save obi one obi one failed because he died You know these these sort of descriptors. We are like are these failures or are these just you're skewing like Only ray is the only one who has truly succeeded at anything in the star wars universe Ray, I just find it funny to explain what she did in the last Jedi as a failure. It's like, um her failure is that she's Too pure of heart and too good and just too wonderful Also, she wasn't even wrong because kylo turns out to be good eventually You know so and in finnish to jenny she did say that she's like she's right wrong for now It's like yeah for now In the last movie he stabbed his dad through the chest and it crippled him emotionally Got him shot in the gut and ultimately led to his defeat. That was a pretty significant mistake on his part By someone he didn't see while after he killed his father He considered killing han consolidating his like position that bad people good Or at least dark side good And the idea that it's like well, he got shot after that and then he lost a fight to ray That's obviously he considers killing han a mistake now. It's like, I don't know does he yeah But that's a failure for so that's the thing if if you say that's a failure for kylo is like yeah, but that's a success for ray So what happens to the theme now Is like the protagonist success succeeds But the bad guy loses so that fits the theme of failure is like Oh, this is why it's just worthless It's really annoying to listen to it's a worthless theme Stabbing his other father figure through the chest and that made him play right into luke's hand and gave the resistance time to get Away, it's kylo red. Oh luke, I guess the same mistakes over and over and oh, I thought she meant snoke Maybe that's his third for He's a kylo's other father figure his father. He likes to stab the ball of the chest. Okay. He does that a lot I mean, he yeah, he stabs han he stabs uh, snoke It's uh, he tries to he does that he stabs luke's apparition. Uh Stabs I don't know if I stabbed a lot of people because he's a terrible horrible person Not learning from them. He was defeated in the last showdown Specifically because he let the past die and he forgot to learn from it granted. I don't really No, he was defeated because ray somehow managed to overpower him. She survived that force battle. He didn't he got knocked out Yeah, that's unless she's talking about luke Yeah, in which case he didn't lose fighting against anybody Like you lost chance for there's no other player like okay I mean if anything the first order lost zero people No, they lost the tie fighters But then the the rebels were reduced to like 20 people if anything That was just they barely the the rebels barely escaped or out there It was only a failure of the first order in the sense that they didn't kill everyone down to the last individual And that didn't make sense again because they could have chased them through outer space. They just don't Yeah, it's kind of weird, but okay I Know how else that could have gone for him that would have been any better Like if kylo ren had taken luke's offer and been like I want to be good again I imagine general huck's would have taken the opportunity to shoot him with every cannon on every ship and luke and leia Are watching horrified as little ben is shot into little crunchy bits out on the salt I don't think they really care after we saw tros.  So this was a net loss. What wait So if if nobody had done anything on holder ship They would have successfully made it to crete in a hidden form and whoever stayed behind to pilot the radis Which for some reason they needed someone to stay behind. I don't know why Uh, it would have been holder. She would have died la la la. That's that's that's what her jenny's point is but um You know them having decided to go to kanto bite to get the code breaker to do all the stuff leads to loads of people dying So they failed when they should have known to just be apathetic and let everyone die anyway Who does it lead to them? Who does it lead to dying? So the fact that they did all all the things they did got dj the information to tell the first order about the hidden ships They scan for them. They shoot them All right, so it's finn's fault. There's so much wrong with that whole through line, but that's what she's trying to say Okay, and yes, it is more finn's fault, but she's she's currently on the storyline of finn and rosa's uh failure I'm gonna justify it all as part of the theme This is what happens. We don't tell people there's a plan and they're gonna die But they failed absolutely the faults of the commander The commander has to is a good communication with your subordinates Is like if you're is that you can't just say no, no, no, just just uh stay here and die and then You have like some secret plan that you don't tell anybody and when they actually try to do something to save their life You can't be like, oh you should have just done what I told you to do die Well, there's such a great leader Oh, yeah, that's great So basically what I'm saying is you can say whatever you want about the finn and rose subplot Like you can say you were bored Subjectively by it or it would have been cooler to see the undercover at the first order ship the whole time and not have them go to that casino Planet at all, which is what I personally think and they looked really cool in the outfits too Or you didn't like it because of racism or something. Oh just because of racism or something.  Okay, whatever.    I believe He is the dj. I mean They're close enough. Oh my god. We have asian Asian rose tico, but she's in the whole film So it's not that part specifically um, you have I guess we hate aliens Yeah, it must be aliens. She's specifically talking about the fact that we don't like green people and Crazy old characters. I mean, I like Thanos, but she's right. I do kind of hate purple people But it's too or you didn't like it because of racism or something But you don't get to complain that it was pointless because they failed the fact that they failed Was the whole point The whole point oh You don't get to say there's no point the pointlessness was the point um That's definitely not like a meta reason or anything Sure, the whole point of the plan was that so they can fail so that we can have our theme Oh, okay. I've talked about this before. I hate it when like a whole series It's bad enough when you have a full scene that only happens for a theme Like it's nice for it to have actual like other substance to it instead of just if this applies to the message of the film That's why it's here.   I guess Number one the film challenges you this is the take I've heard most often Usually by people who don't even have a strictly negative opinion of the film They're like, hey, it was okay, but a lot of fans won't like it because it challenges them So I don't challenge us. What do you mean by that? What do you mean? It challenges us? I guess we'll have to This is the largest point for the video. So let's hope we get a good explanation Need time between me seeing the film and it coming out and in that span of time I was just comfortably telling people With confidence. Yeah, you're gonna like it because I was remembering all the stuff people complained about after the Force Awakens And all the stuff people said they liked wrote one for that I didn't relate to this movie Didn't just do all the stuff that empire did. It had some unexpected stuff You know stuff like smoke dying where I was like, whoa, they went there So I was like, okay, no one's gonna complain that it's just a retread of familiar stuff It was a retread in many ways.  It was like, oh They even do the whole like look out this window and see your friends dying ray. It's like ray's like, I don't know these people I met them like I've never met them like yesterday And then it had stuff that I consider really pandery yoda shows up You have a really cool lightsaber fight.  Those are bad things about the film They're no good. No good. Very bad And she says Luke demonstrates the force power that like it's previously unsealed or like super strong.  I'm just like that's what I felt like it was Wait, all the stuff she listed were pan was pandering her. I don't think she knows like what house dolls Fans are going to react to those seeds.  I don't know Yeah, it was way better than anything in tlj I'd much rather watch all that stuff. So there's something for everybody It's a romp. No, it's like she's so simple minded. She's so just detached from star wars She's such a simple person that she thinks all lightsabers don't love it I get the impression you're not a fad of her work at this point Everybody likes lightsabers. Well, I'd like to hear like smart things I correct takes opinions that aren't wrong By the way, I'm both sick and tired And my boyfriend I want to go to sleep.  So, um, Have fun guys.  Oh Aden paladin, uh, and also All of you aden paladin. It's filled with a why Enjoy that. I guess there will be a star wars video out within the next probably week and a half If I can get it done and my cold finally subsides Thanks for having me on as always guys, but wow we this is getting worse as it goes on.  I'll see you guys later See you later. Thanks for coming on. Bye. Bye. Nice to meet y'all. Bye. Bye What uh, he obviously sexist clear misogynist I'm kind of disappointed she wouldn't finish the females video.  Absolutely awful. Well, that's all right. We brought spares For the whole family, maybe it won't be everybody's favorite, but everybody will like it and then literally the day Everybody will like it before the movie came out I ran into somebody else that had seen a pre-screening and I was like, wasn't it great? Just conversationally and he went I hated it I literally felt like my vision had tunneled Like I had seen a ghost if I was in a movie the camera would be doing the thing where it's pulling back while zooming in on my shocked face It's like I can't believe that you were shut like I'm like never It takes I'm I'm it says so much about your ability to assess the quality of media that you were this surprised Someone hated the last Jedi This says so much about your abilities Yeah, it didn't like the the second it finished the film. I was already like, oh this one's gonna be uh, yeah Even I I just walking out of that cold theater Into the cold colderness Coldness just just just being like I don't know what that was Uh, because I like the last one Oh, but this is something what's happening to me and then I transformed into a werewolf My goodness part was made up and I was like, oh Why is that? And he was like it wasn't as good as rogue one Which he's correct. Uh, just my entire worldview of the past week Also, I don't know if I believe you that this person is someone you met and talked to Was rocked to its foundation Anyway, those were the complaints that annoyed me the most. Sorry everybody wanted me to do this big takedown of the movie And I liked it instead Whoops, I mean I had complaints too. They yeah, that that is a pretty big whoops for you this, uh That was a pretty big whoops for you Don't worry. You'll you'll get better over time. I hope You'll you know what they say failure is the greatest teacher. Yeah.  Your enjoyment of the film is different from the problems that the film has They're often correlated in the sense of being able to recognize big problems can ruin your enjoyment of the film Because most of us use our brains to enjoy things, but you do you Oak floats ray over to the window to show her the resistance ships being blown up And they're like perfectly framed in that magnifying lens Like I know he can see things that are happening using the force So I don't begrudge him knowing the timing and getting that down But like the lens was right there When was the lens installed? That's incredible for you nitpicking. That's a nitpick. I don't you have a problem with that, but not the fact that Of course has been ruined. Luke's character has been destroyed like all the like that's your problem But I just yeah, I was gonna say And ironically The the issue of like that is pretty it's kind of funny to think about in terms of just it's perfectly set up So that ray could could watch it um And I probably would I think I would classify it's it's right before being what I would consider a More like a problem versus a nitpick. It's like, yeah, it's fair enough, but Coming from you jetty like what the hell? I don't understand this like what it's almost I I think we've had this issue before where we cover people who are just Fucking wrong about a movie like this But then they'll they'll say oh no, but there it's not like I it was perfect As if to redeem themselves from their terrible take and they say oh, but there are things that weren't good about it And they'll name some tiny tiny little thing that's completely inconsequential while Simultaneously ignoring the massive problems that the film does have as No, this isn't the film's problem The magnifying glass is not the problem with this movie. I just like I believe she's that's the one she goes to It's like all right Horsight or how come they have a new different armor design for the storm trooper executioners. I mean, they're all It's not a that's not a problem. Yeah, it's not we haven't seen one before It's not it. We don't know all the clone troopers had those different paints and stuff like who can why come on And just because it's new to the audience because we haven't had to see one of those troopers yet Like I find it funny that they have laser axes sure but like even that's not only that But it's a double bladed laser axe. So there'll be like a little neck disc In there It which is like that's just I mean sure it'll get the job done. It just seems like unnecessarily twice the death rags Yeah, he's I dive I don't the neck side and the body side are both like double cut How is it that we get looked at as the nitpickers and you see this in her video again People just listen to this and they're like, yeah, these are fair. These are fair unlike that more in rags They talk about nonsense.  Yeah, they they probably They could I am in a culture where all of them have been conditioned from birth Is there really that much of a call for out of combat in-house executions is Yes, because executions are often used to send a message to the rest of the people seems semi-regular We see quite a couple of examples in just this trilogy Um, interestingly though, jj forgot his execution of troopers.    That was a skill It makes sense that they would have a specialized person to do this In fact, I think I would approve it if they had more examples of specializations in the fiscal because they are mostly just troopers Everyone's troopers. I mean, this is what we have in the real world You have everything from marksmen to mortarmen to all sorts of different roles that are on the battlefield and Like I mean look at all the classes and all the games You got the heavy troopers and the dark troopers and people with jetpacks because hey mandalorian