Welcome to the series of presentations on some of the methodological considerations researchers should keep in mind when they're doing biosocial research. My name is Tarani Chandola. I'm from the University of Manchester and part of the National Centre for Research Methods. And I'd also like to acknowledge the Understanding Society Biomarker team who contributed a lot of the material and slides to this set of presentations. First of all, I'd just like to acknowledge that the methodological considerations we should be keeping in mind when we're doing biosocial research, it's not special, it's nothing new, it's just the same sort of issues that should be kept in mind when we're doing standard biological or social science research. It's just that some of these methodological issues get really highlighted and emphasised in particular because of the nature of biosocial data. And I'll be going through some of the examples in which these issues really get emphasised. So this series of talks is divided into three components. First of all, I'll be talking about the need for a biosocial research framework. Secondly, I'll be going into some of the data quality considerations researchers should keep in mind when they're doing biosocial research. And finally, I'll be talking about some of the missing data implications in biosocial research. So the very first part is about why we need to have a biosocial research framework. And for those of you who are completely new to the area and want to know what is biosocial research, I can recommend a really excellent talk by Professor Mikaela Benzoval on the topic what is biosocial research. And I've got the YouTube link over here and this is part of a series of talks that she has done on biosocial research and this is a talk that she did for the NCRM. Why do researchers want to combine biological and social data? And that's perhaps the most important question in determining the kind of research framework that we have in approaching biosocial research. There are a number of reasons why people are interested in combining biological and social data. For example, people might be interested in using biomarkers as an objective measure of physical functioning of health and illness. They might be interested in using biomarkers to look at the pathways between social factors and health, or they might be interested in using biomarkers to understand how biological factors act as distal causes to influence social outcomes. And in line with that, biomarkers can also be used to understand gene and environment interactions. And I'll be going through some example slides of how each of these biological and biosocial frameworks can help in understanding the associations between biological and social data. So biomarkers have often been used as a sort of a better, more objective measure of health and that's because self-reported health that is collected in standard surveys often has a lot of bias. It depends on people's own perceptions of their health, so it's very subjective. It depends on people being aware that they have particular disease or illness conditions, so you can imagine that a self-reported health might be considerably affected by all of these biases, by a person's mood on the day that they were sampled, whereas the biomarker, which is based on a clinical objective measure, may seem to be free from such biases. But actually, there are advantages and disadvantages for using biomarkers in place of self-reported health, and I'll go through a few examples of that. In the labor force survey, for example, they measure stress or work-related stress, and that's my own field of research. And they measure stress by asking people, have you suffered from any illness or disability, physical or mental problem that was caused or made worse by your job? And if people say yes to that, they then get a list of conditions that they ask. How would you describe this illness? And one of those sets of descriptions is stress, depression or anxiety. So if people say that the health was made worse by work because of stress, depression and anxiety, that's an indication that they have got stress or work-related stress. Now you can imagine that there are quite a few biases associated with this measure. Individuals are asked to self-report any work-related illness they believe to have suffered over the previous 12 months. So it really depends on their ability and willingness to self-diagnose these links. And they have to be, in a sense, epidemiologists or medical doctors because they have to ascribe the cause of the illness to work. And maybe there is a link, maybe there isn't a link. And people may actually fail to recognize a link with the working conditions when there is one. So there are all kinds of reasons why self-reported data on stress or work-related stress might be hard to measure from a questionnaire or interview. So in contrast, a lot of people like using biomarkers of stress. So there are well-known physiological systems which produce stress hormones which activate the body's stress symptoms. And this gets a number of hormones such as cortisol, adrenaline, noradrenaline going in your system. And this has been measured in quite a few biosocial studies. And it's also important to remember it's not just the activation of these stress hormones during an acute stress response period that is important, but it's the recovery. So this is some of the disadvantages of measuring biological data as opposed to self-reported data because you've got to be measuring these stress reactions, this physiological stress reaction over a considerable period of time. And it costs a lot of money to not only measure the stress response systems and biological stress response systems, but also if you're thinking about measuring over a long period of time, then that adds considerably to the cost. So you can imagine asking people a question in a questionnaire might be a lot less costly than trying to measure their biological stress responses. Biomarkers have also been used to measure how people grow and develop and change over the life course. And there are a number of biomarkers that are useful for measuring the life course developmental processes, growth hormone, for example. High levels of growth hormone or testosterone in early life might be indicative of one kind of process that may mean something very different when you have got high levels of the same hormones in later life. So it's important to keep in mind the life course processes, the stages of the life course when these particular biomarkers are measured because they have different implications and different meanings. The gene environment interactions are shown, some of the possible gene environment interactions are shown in this slide. The G denotes genetic factors, the P denotes phenotypes. Sometimes these are biological phenotypes, sometimes these are psychological or personality phenotypes. The E denotes environment and in gene environment analysis, a lot of the times the environment is the social environment and the Y denotes a sort of distal outcome. Usually it's health but it can be another kind of outcome people are interested in. So in the top right hand corner we've got a causal process that shows that the genetic factors influence the distal outcome, say it's health, independently of the environmental, the social environmental factors. The genetic factors are influencing the phenotype, usually as I said it's a biological phenotype. On the top right hand corner we've got effect modification going on here. So the genetic factors which influence the biological phenotype or personality or psychological phenotype, they modify the association between social factors and the distal Y or the health outcome. In the bottom left hand corner we've got a process where the genetic factors are actually causing the environmental response. So a lot of the times people have looked at the way how genetic factors are correlated with educational attainment for example or intelligence and so there's a whole process by which genetic factors can influence the phenotypes which result in low educational attainment for example and so there's been a whole series of studies that have tried to disentangle the way in which biology is the independent variable and that affects social environmental outcomes. And in the bottom right hand corner we've got an example where genetic factors influence the phenotype which is actually causing both the environmental factor to occur as well as the distal Y, the distal health outcome. So the association between the social environment and the distal Y or the health outcome is confounded by the genetic factors. So in each of these examples of biomarker research we really need to be very careful in trying to find out what is the association between the social and biological data and that really needs careful consideration within the relevant theoretical framework. If we don't have that theoretical framework we are in danger of making multiple comparisons resulting in trying to find associations with the lowest P values which is basically unscientific and non reproducible and that's because with bio-social data we have hundreds and maybe thousands of variables that are both relate to the biology of somebody as well as their survey responses. And the temptation for a lot of researchers is just to do a lot of correlations and do P hacking for example which would be nonsensical because we need to be analyzing these associations within the context of a particular theoretical, a particular bio-social theoretical framework. And finally I'd just like to emphasize the need for interdisciplinary research teams because this kind of bio-social research framework does require expertise of both in biological sciences as well as social sciences and unless somebody is trained in both it is quite hard for one person to come up with a relevant bio-social theoretical framework which is why some of the best bio-social research does rely on multidisciplinary interdisciplinary research teams.


Wel i amgylchedd ar y Tafwy TV i gyd yn daethwyr Feily a'r Keith Mullen. Cydwch chi'n gwneud o'r Llyfrgell yng Nghymru yn gymryd iawn. Mae'n gweithio allan y gwaith ar hyn o'r llanau ar gyfer y marysel. A mae'n hefyd, Michael Silvers yn dweudio rhai ddau'u gweithio, o hyd i'r gweithio i'r gweithio sy'n gweithio'n dod o'r ddau. o'r ddaf yn ddaf yn cael o'r tro. Felly, nid i'n rhoi allu gofynnol gan gynnyddio, fel y dychwanegau o'r ddaf. Mae'n ddweud y peth o'r cyffredin, fel Dave. Byddai'n rhoi ei chrysiau a ond yw yn mynd i'n gwneud yma, y 38 oes ddaf yn ddweud o'r ddweud. Arma, Mae'n ddweud yma'r ddweud. Mae'n ddweud. Mae'n ddaf yn ymgyrchio. Felly, mae'n gwneud o'r ddaf. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud. Ie chari. Os fe wnaeth amsig iawn i chi ddeallrraethau, rwy'n dweud i bleidio yma. Felly, mae'r dŵr ar y cyflau. A hyderwch, sydd wedi ychydig i chi. Felly, mae'n ei gweld i fynd o'r cyflau yma. Ac mae'n edrych i ffotod sydd wedi cael ei rhan. Mae'n dychyn i'r cyflau. Yn ystafell, fynd yn byw i ddeallrach gyda xanol eich bod nhw. Mae'n mwyafio'n rai. Felly, mae'n mwyafio. o bobl yn yma eich cyntaf o dda'r ddweuniaeth yn cael ei ysgolennu ddechrau i Бell Fast dros a byddiadau. SO mae'r ddweuniaeth yma, dwi'n ei ddweud. As rhaid bod yw amser ond ydy a'r ddweuniaeth wedi ei ei ddweud. Os yna'r gweithio nid yn cael ei ddweud eich cyntaf, dwi'n ferwg yw'n cael ei ddweud yn cael ei ddweud. Ond wrthi'n gweithi'n rhoi i ei ddweud i ddweud sydd wedi gweithi'n cael eu ddweud. Fy fyddi chi'n dwi'n gwybod bod yn eich bod yn sylfa'r cyflwyn. Er fydd y bwysig, mae'n 150 gol yn y plat. My yn ped dunnys last week credu i yr fydd dod yn gweithio. Fyddai'n ni'n codyn? Rwy'n rai'n hynny, mae'n gwneud allaf y'r algoryd. Rwyf yn LOEYN i'r berthynat o'r deisloedd yr ydych chi yn ydyn nhw'n ddiogel i'w tîm Yw'r almost guaranteed to be in Markham Silver's team. Lachwm. A'n sôn poed. Both fullbacks. But I'm sure the guaranteed day won. At the moment, cos we haven't got anyone in. Both fullbacks and the goalkeeper. Probably Michael Keane. And Theo Walcott. And Shentoson. And Sigurdson. Sigurdson. So wait, you've got eight. I've gone five. At the moment. Because I'm just notch. Because I know the way Silver likes to play. However, I understand he can't flip it all in one window and stuff like that. At Pickford, yeah. Definitely. Coleman. Yeah, definitely. Walcott. Definitely. Towson. Garnir. Garnir, Gail above Sigurdson. Did I say Guilfee? No. Yeah. Garnir, Gail above Sigurdson. All right, Guilfee as well. No, this is who I think. Because this is how I think he's going to play, you see. And everyone else is very... Garnir, Gail. If he brings... If he was to get... I know we won because Wafford wouldn't sell him. If he could get the Corry out of Wafford, Garnir wouldn't get in the seat because he wants you to do three jobs on one. I love Garnir. He's great and he's busy and he's busy. And again, he's another one who will probably benefit from having better players with him. Rather than having the slug next to him. If he becomes your defensive midfiel player, you can have Guilfee here. And another one. Because I know we'll... I know that Silver will bring Sondae Iverson to the next level. I totally agree with that. He'll go, you need to do this. But William Carvalio was 22 years of age. And 23. Is he that old, really? Yeah, he's 25, he's 26 in a couple. So he's 25, not 26. But he's 26. Let's not split it. The point is... He's definitely not 24. He's going to be looking to going that old, isn't he there? Well, that's where he plays. Is he mobile enough? We don't know. Ah, now that's the answer with this one. That's the... Peter Dee spoke to you last week. And I was in the next room and he did it. So I never heard what he actually said to you, till I watched the video and was speaking to you. And we've said that to you. Pay some power. Pay some width. It has been since Martin is back. That's been our problem. So somebody somewhere has to address the... It's not even with the ball. It's more without the ball. How quickly can you get it across? No, but teams... Up till Southampton last year, teams were literally taking the piss that much. They weren't even going down the sides in the end. They were just running right through the middle of it. And overpowering it. So that's going to be taking off the table. So you need strength. I think he's looking like... Remember we used to say about where the eye are at all? If you could put strength and power and bit of base through. I think that's what he's looking for. It's not going to lightweight. We are. But too slow. But much of a muchiness. And anybody decent at all. And I'm not talking about the top sides. I'm talking about from mid to just above the bottom. Anybody decent at all looks like they can rip us apart. So that needs solving. Like we just said, it's not going to be done in a single transfer window. But wall cuts pace at least gives you an outball. So if you can put the plug in in the middle of the part and then block that down, it's not going to be pretty. But you've got a long ball to be able to turn them round to run them. And you've got Towson if you want to then bang it down the middle. Two things. We started the season without last season. So then if you lock down the middle with a view not really to attacking to just stop getting beat and then build up the confidence from there. Well, I'd say that to start to myself. I'd say that would be the way to organise it. And the reason I said Layton Baines and Seamus Coleman to be in the side is because I think there's too many other things to do. And right now we can leave them to you. I love Baines even more. I also definitely think Coleman and Baines will still be there until we can find the replacements. And find the replacements are going to take something. It's a BSE, and at least we'll have Layton Baines in person. I don't think they'll find the replacements in there immediately. I think they're more pressing. I think you're probably in there, man. They're more pressing issues than them two positions right now. Coleman's not an issue. Coleman's 20, nice and honest. He should John Joe, Kenny's, Taylor Mead. He's an occasion. I'm not the right side. I'm not really worried about the slightest, the old weather, but I absolutely love Baines. I wish he was 25. He's been an absolute privilege to watch it. There's other times it hasn't quite, but he's been a fantastic football, especially him. He was satisfied to go across the outlaw. But again, this fella is the details. It's over and over. He's got a bit of moise in him, which Leon Osmond spoke about when he was going on about. Moise had corners that he'd do it for an hour. If you got it wrong, you'd keep doing it. You were back, you switched on. In a match, you just made sure it didn't happen. If it happened again, you were doing it all Monday all Tuesday all Wednesday till you made it. Those minor details got us so many points. We didn't have the quality against the top side. Now we have got quality, but we haven't got the minor details. That's what I'm saying about. I think he'll definitely buy a left back unless the kid Robinson is up to. He played against France, he was up against Mbappé. He was good at some things, other times he was Rambo. That's not an issue when Mbappé is brilliant, so that's good. But when I look through the team, it's like Michael Keane, I personally, and some people give me stick first, but I still think he'll be a good player first. I think if you organise him, you get someone with him, and if you've got another, say Alfie Morrison for that, if you come in and you remember, you, Michael Keane, Mason Holgate, and Jacks, because that's the last Jack I'll give him this. You four are playing for two, but you really are playing for two, but I'm not just going to take you out. No, but Michael Keane is basically Dave Watson, I had this argument with my brother-in-law all the time. Dave Watson is perfectly fine, there's a sense of that. What you'd have then is a bit of a ball player next to him. Please listen to me now. If we get a centre half, you can do that for us. Whoever it is for five years, and he's not pretty, and as soon as he takes two steps out, Michael Keane is a bit better than that, by the way, on the ball. But play the way you're facing, become a defender, that's all you've got to do. That kid will be good as gold, but we'll end up going and selling him, buying someone who's got the six and two trees better than him. I don't know whether it will be, but I think I'll be better than him. And also, what he went through last season, he sold him down in Liverpool. He pulled it. He was swapping and changing partners. Then it was three. Then it was three at the back. We were getting bladded by everybody. And he hung him out to dry. He started really well as well. He hung him out to dry. I think he'll make a player. That's why I kept him in the scene. I look and just go with him. He was so good under Dice, because Dice was my new... I was writing a while last year. I was in Wales, actually. I was watching it, and he had an American feed on. And Sean Dice was on it, summarising it. And that time Cain had made an unbelievable block. It would have been 1-0, and he'd come across and blocked it. And he was saying we worked on that all day with him, Ben me, about reacting in the penalty. Not reacting. Anticipating. Never rang me one day. He was on a telly, Michael. Never rang me. He said, see that kid? We were talking about him, because you know, it's Ajax mate, so he's talking about Ajax. He said, do you know the difference? It was still... It was kind of that time, wintery time. It was kind of that time, wintery time. And he just rang me through the week we were there. We get onto this. And he said, watched them last year. But he only still played the same system, by the way, to just drop someone else in the team. What he did was to get tight, full backs, drop back, and if they do get caught by pace, everybody drops in together, so he was never isolated. Never isolated. In our team, you may as well have run him up a flagpole, because that's how exposed he was. So now, he's looking like Bambi on ice, because he doesn't know where there's a stick or twist. Does he turn, does he not? Does he just take a boot and by taking the fella out and get sent off in ten minutes? There's all these things. That's where you need a manager. And a first team coach. We've had. Cuman, who wanted to play golf, more than he wanted to. What he wanted to drop you in, Cuman wanted to go. I've got 20 great players going play. No, like the old Dutch side. And they were all wearing flash football. Even in his side, even in the Dutch side, Cuman played, they were all naked. So you could drop them in and go, lad, play again, for played no position. He does that as a manager. That's how Danton, he got away with it, because Les Reid bought players, pot of tea and all that, players did it. You know what I mean? He had a good system and he remember him. Remember the kid at Valencia, the white goalie, he was talking about him and he said, he knows people who know him. When he was at Valencia, there were a couple of people who played under him and he said, he's really good Cuman at keeping everything going. So if you drop them into, Chelsea or whatever, or United or, you just keep them ticking over, that one, keep it holding and ticking over. Over before, I'm not winning, but over before. Playing like that, keeping the ticking along nicely. If you drop them into David Moyes' side in about 2000, he said he's no good at building a team. He went to Valencia and tried to build a team. They got chased them. Like us, everyone fell out with him. People were talking, they were losing games. Because he can't build a team. He's had, because he's been here for years, I think that's probably where the arrogant is and other bits as well and everything else. All the dice wanted to come in and just organise, but he did, but he's not a coach. He's not a training ground. He didn't get a side around. There is me. Martin has let it slip. He wasn't a great coach. He had his ideals. Martin has coached Barcelona quite easily and do well because he's got again a little bit like Cuba. He's got great players. His ideals are great and his players are great. Man City, now he could probably go in and do it a bit more. But we need David Moyes coached. He coached and he had their vine and he was a great coach. And you know, all right. But Moyes, because, well you've got to remember that Moyes he's done everything. So he might go, yes Steve, go and do that for 10 minutes and I don't like the way he wants to do it because that's the way Moyes is. Apparently, and this is only, I've done so much putting reading up on this silver. I've read articles in Portugal translated through things, you've read it. From players, people looking at his tactics in Portugal, like coaches, this is what he does. Everything's meticulous. The players in England have said it. I think he was talking, Colin was talking about David Moyes. He played the whole meticulous, meticulous movie, grabs you in train and you should be stuck there. The whole point of what I'm trying to say is, Michael Keane, Tom Davis to a lesser extent will benefit from this, from someone going, you're in the wrong position. Tom, pass it, run there. Not just, you're going to play, go and play a bit. The Premier League is Martin's. The Premier League is Martin's.  Ashley Williams isn't shite. Right, he's not shite.  Morgan Snadlin isn't shite. If we play the game of football with them, we go. Ashley Williams, fronty team. They're in the play, they play on the top. They're basically on the edge of the area. Yeah, yeah, that's weird. Wales and Ashley Williams are Swansea team. They're going to slowly doing it. Because it's no-one's getting behind them. That's the thing. He faces the ball at all time. We got him and pushed him and Michael Keane to the halfway line and said to the whole Premier League, see if you can run past these here. The only thing that's say about him and Snadlin is the boat's self-preservation, the pair of them. If you're playing with Jags and you're having them, they'll throw his bottom of the line.  Can't you surprise me that way? It did massively surprise me, because at Swansea I've seen them have some marbles, games against them. But anyway, that's moving away. I just think Michael Keane and Tom Davis will benefit massively from having a coach who will go, you stand there, go there, looking at it, looking at it, looking at it.  He would say in a game where does Michael want me here? Where would he put me here? Making players think for themselves. Players you read them. That's what they say about Clough. Where does he need me to be? That's right now. They're not perfect, but they look where they were three years ago. It's about the Alex Virgin. I'm taking just the first analogy of what comes into me. See Alex Virgin, even at the end with Van Persie and at the last time they won. Them players still went home of night time thinking what's he thinking where do we... If I make this cup of tea, will he be... because that's how much he dominated them and they had to buy in to the fact that you yourself might be dropped for nine months in the season. You're still going to be the one training the artist. You'll still be first in the morning.  You don't do this and that's what it is. It's when the oil switch on to the greater good. But no, but it takes... Everyone's a skeptic these days.  Everyone's a skeptic lad.  That's what you get now.  It's like that way. I don't even know what I was saying. Fitty's just threw me off it. It's about... A tablet. No, it's about... Fitty, no lad. You're talking about getting in people's heads, organising making sure everyone's got the same message. This manager himself has said I will demand every single day from you that you do your very best. If you don't want to do it, go away then you don't play and the stuff. And we need to get... We need to start living by that. If everyone's on the same page, sound you're going. You go, you hit me. Molly's done it right at the start. I was working at the Bleeding Club. Went down to Belfield his first day and was trying to find bits and pieces.  He's just said to them, I won't have any millionaires taking the piss out of me in this dressing room.  Gaza went because you know it didn't play again. We had six players in the treatment room all season.  And that was it with Moise. And he shortened the squad. If Moise could have had 17 brilliant players and a couple of kids ever would have won Sophie's. He had 30. In fact, to be fair, if Moise would have had Le Carr, he would have won Sophie's. But he was too much deal to make. But the play isn't new.  He dropped them 50 minutes before the game. You're not wearing a name I am. You're not wearing a name I am. Off you go.  It wasn't the FA Cup. It was the Monday before the FA Cup. He played him in the league. He played him right wing, I think it was. Left wing, glad. Victor on a TV. It was in his top three games he ever played for that kid, by the way. If he'd have come to me, I was with Jefferson, he was in the cubar with me and told me. If he'd have said to me then, he's going to be Victor on and play him wide. Hadn't been, had to buy the net or don't you dare. That's what I would have done. Had it turned out, because he got the thing, he got the message. Do you remember Tony Grant? Tony Grant used to go to that field and have a blind eye. It didn't matter whether he got well or not. He could have been playing for six months or it was his first game for 18 months. He had his head up and started passing the ball around and moving us up the path and back. That's what it is. Someone told me last week when we were there but the point is that's what I want. I want where he hasn't got to get down every fuckers ear. There's not kindergarten here. He's a wrong bruised boy. It's where you've already bought into it. That's what it is. The whole thing that we're actually really ultimately talking about is that's about having a football philosophy. The thing that we said was lacking in November and is there. We're certainly talking about the new manager and things like research that you've done. I've not done all that research. I think it's great that you're out because it's informal. I've certainly felt quite informed today. Bas is actually research. Bas is research. He'll tell you about my research. Which has been quite extensive. There is a footballing culture. There's a philosophy. He wants to play a certain style, a certain way. I think we will see. I'd say eight by eight players. I'll tell you about eight players. I think we'll see four or five in. I think we'll see four or five in. A core team. A core team. The most important thing is we need confidence in certain things. I think we might have to wait for the next transfer window to get something back. I think he'll look at the team and say, the system I want to play, I've got that there, I've got that there. I've got a hole in that. He isn't going to do that job. He's got to go when we need to have that type of play. What did you make of the Luchman comments that you made about the Mola Luchman and obviously Davy Classney spoke about it as well? I think for both of them players they're really positive comments. They'll be a show me that. Heaven Top next season. I think they'll be playing for the club. I'd like to see what Luchman is capable of in 18 months time. I'd love to be able to see that young player develop at Heaven and become a class. It would be great if that could happen. Because he's saying they've got that potential. Your mate used to tell you that from Charm. I said to him the first time he hadn't even come on the path for everything. I said to him on the way down to the match. No the way. This kid came to me and said see that kid you just bought from us. Couldn't fantastic. He said you've got five wingers. None of them will have a shot. He said see this fella as soon as he gets his head Luchman to go not look at you. He himself will have a shot. So me and Mull have been talking about this all night. Night came like that. He comes on two seconds later. As a shot there he is. I just looked at him and he seems to know what he's talking about. The other fella from Charm. The thing about Luchman from my perspective is to throw the baby out of the bath water having had the season what we had last year. He was a glimpse but to not give him a chance to have two years with Theo Walkott who's been an England player. He's still in his mid to late. His prime of his career.  He drops into the middle. He can play second striker. He can even be in front of the midfield. Theo very intelligent footballer. I'm absolutely very very impressed with Theo. But I think if he puts his arm around him this is how you become a Premier League winger. Every time Seamus moves that's his problem. He's naive, he's a kid and the standards we applied on some of that you said about Tommy Davis. The standards we applied as far as ridicule and slagging him went was off the scale. That needs to go but I would suggest if we don't do that with him and give him 18 months of effort and by the way the fella might not even want to come back here but you just said before about players and he's just having the power so he might not even want to come back so bad he felt he was treating that up and if he does the first job away is to get Theo Warcott put his arm around him and say you kid are going to take my shirt or somebody else like me their shirt in this league within two years but you've got to do some boots first. I think it would be brands or maybe both it will be a case of you are part of our plans the same with class we've seen nothing of class he's a decent player he doesn't become a bad player or we turn good players into bad players. Not just that if you're going to play 4-3-3 over a season yes you've got to have wide players yes you've got to have a check tolson and someone behind them but you can also adapt it while the old wouldn't do it with a standard 4-3-3 he'd have people, he'd have one and then maybe two inside behind them or sometimes he'd play two and then one either side either before or behind so the players who can then like I said about Tommy Davis I'd never had Tommy Davis near the halfway line Tommy Davis get his head up can do a little one-two and play a ball through that's the fucking gold in this league everyone's a water carrier let's have some footballers for the change people who can go inside and that's what they get paid the big money for cos not everyone can do it not everyone can do it but both of those kids can do it so once I would suggest not having seen class and we've all been here again and seen four games and now everyone's an expert so what I'm saying is if I was looking at his CV that's the position I'd look for him to be in so I might not say he might start every week but over the season you'll find games where it might not be even to start in the 11 just 76 minutes but you'll find there'll be holes for him all over and he's a clever footballer and again, that's what I'm trying to do that's what I go back to myself when I'm looking at it is a coach who will go drop into the hole, you go there and everyone given this is what we do and somebody has to run them for you and so you just did them look at Richard Alton, at Wafford coming from Brazil, no one knew anything about the Minstays and that's and he was really good till silver when he fell off the cliff when I look at Luchman and think he could be like the Tialis and then he's crazy he come on and I'm filled in that cup game and swung it when it's your own favor he come on at Chelsea in the league cup game drop this come on with two minutes to go drop the shoulder inside ping on off the bat he had that three passes the ability to confidence and I think brands is quotes and I want to buy them for PS3 and all and I think you just look and go that's all I needed you obviously didn't like Aladais and Aladais didn't give me a chance no but you can see from the choice of club when he went to Leipzig that's all he just wanted to get out of dodge what did he get out of?  I'd keep him I've really enjoyed watching if anything last season watching him play from time to time it was a pleasure I gained another one with a lot of ability but he likes more to be more central in the field that's his position where he likes to be if we find we find ourselves next year and we've got a squad with Luchman Flasich, Tommy Davis the goalkeeper, Michael Keith and possibly Honoluku before we even start with anybody else before we buy anyone this season in the summer, anyone in January anyone next summer when you say that as far it's not the fucking greatest it's not the clown jewels but all gates too it would be another one what we're starting here, Young John Joe maybe even Dominic Calvert-Lewin you don't know how they're going to what you'd start is you'd look we've just been saying about how this is a three-year job to start with so if you've got people at the very first day which Moise did not fucking have no peanut, no kale, no beans no artata they all had to come along with O which is why it kind of took so long getting here if you've got those sort of building blocks right now to start plus wallcots plus James Coleman those type of quality ass motherfuckers who you can throw into the trenches pardon my friends any time you like against any given effort you can lose a few games but any given opposition in this league they can handle it well over time you'd say plant those trees water them, give them sunlight feed them, nourish them well then they're going to grow into strong ass trees see what I'm saying to you so start with that then you don't have to buy a single person to at least begin with a group with a span what do we do with, I'll just rattle a few off think weekly just for your opinion, Balasi off your pop yeah, I'd say Snyddler, off your pop Furnish Murray yeah let him go I don't think he's particularly bad like William off your pop I'm a little bit over Bezzards MacCarty you'd have to go I'd keep MacCarty I also watched him Allardyce didn't go near him then he put him in a team and all of a sudden fell in love with him and then he got injured cos he's changed MacCarty he's never going to be not James MacCarty he'll go so far for you and then you won't quite get to the top level I'd say, right now if we get two injuries in the first two weeks I'm going to get it out I think he's become a little bit injury prone Snyddler, I think he's probably he might need something else it might be for him the best move it might be for the player but then again he might come back and be a completely different beast he could be but I still he'll be about James MacCarty James MacCarty he's the best mate captain you might change your order you might if you don't know and the other one is Eumar Nias cos he splits it depends he's going to I'd say I would imagine he's going to send Calderlun out on loan so if that's the case he's going to buy another at least one striker where he goes he might be two if Eumar wants to buy into that concept so he never ever laid the law down the first time he came saying I want to play this many times in fact the treatment what he had might be amongst the worst I've ever seen to any other player it was totally undeserved I wish Cumin never got a fucking locker in my opinion to be honest that's who I am so keep him see what happens by the end of it and give him the choice and I really did not just about having a difficult side to work out to me to me he's ideal squad player he doesn't seem to moan I think that if Dom is to go out on Calderlun Cup 10 out to be absolutely brilliant we don't know he's got everything other than his finishing which is obviously the hardest part get a little bit strong he's got the pace and if he were going to loan he's got to come back against like you said he was a kid and he had to be he was on his own but even if we bought another centre forward even if we went and silver was like Dembele or someone or Europeans I still want the ass in the squad because I go you know what he's fucking mayan mayan follows him and that's what I'm saying to me and if he went on and go we were full on down and it was a 90th minute and he does doggies and the goalie tried to take him on he didn't know what to do the game is done the game is finished and you're still running around in a 90th minute and the goalie tried to take him on and you just look and you're home is massive for us absolutely massive he got two goals and then when we were getting beat he scored against palace at Old Manoway he scored against West Bromley he got us up so many points from his goals not just that the way he was treated we've had players in the past we've had players in the past we've had players in the past because he's just come back to me he can leg it loads of ability attitude challenge he's upset I like my Alice by the way when he's on the park but after last season no chance of the pop I think we've said this before he cried and cried to get back to Olympiacus he went back to chase them before the end of season so that's the club that he met the fire and pyro and he was off because he turned up at the same attitude as well he left everything with so if you're gonna make a song and dance get to the club you suppose it'll be and then on the ship and if you're not going on with my Alice if you're not going on with him if you're not going on with him it can't be everything can it it can't be us it's like it's you mate you know what I mean it's a common denominator he's a good player and the other thing is oh no my Alice is when he's on his hamstring at Amfield he had them all day he was playing well he was dead in the mid-side out he loved like he got some and plus he won the other fucking well as well I love him but I'll never mind but that's the thing he probably fits the way this fella wants to play and don't know whether he's quick enough and don't think he's my hope on that when he wants to well cut you go on to a dead man you've got scones of offer but then it had a member and go get up for about 20 minutes in and he's like he's got the ability in there you just want to shake him and go that's the thing he needs to get on the poddage and you look at Theo he's like he is as a footballer intelligence wise place wise but I think I think that Alice will go I don't know who's going to win but I think he'll go I think Wayne will go I'd keep him but I think he's going to go I'd keep him for the sort of reasons that you want to keep him for and that you say is he's a talisman in a way and he can show the kids how to win things this is what it means to be but I never thought for one minute last season when Wayne was coming back that we were going to be hanging out he's not anymore like getting on games a season that's not being disrespectful that was much my United's record and England's record I always thought he was going to be he played 10-15 games a season bringing them on and stuff like that but he's no good with that way he's bought the years every week it doesn't blame him it happens to me it happens to Tierra he played 10-0 I think Wayne will go to America and come back to us and become a green I want him to be I want when we go to landfill and my United and Man City and Arsenal and Chelsea and Tottenham and all the good sides and we're not losing in the first half the reason I wanted Wayne Newney to be there is to walk into them and say this is how you win this is how you win at Anfield and them to look at them and to know precisely not only has he bullied most of them he did it to win here so if you want to listen to anyone here this is who we should be listening to that's why I gave him the dough in the first welcome to that and signing with you nice one Wayne, thank you brother but I'm saying to you that was what I brought him for so to me that job's still available it wants to play that's ok and then we'll give it 18 months two years and then we'll review it like what you just said about getting him to do it just without a pair of boots on just with a tradiom like that but I'd say that penalty at Liverpool last year nobody else including our greatest ever penalty take it the Premier League's greatest ever penalty take a latent bane I wouldn't have trusted him as much as as soon as Wayne Newney picked the ball as soon as he was given gimme it that's priceless to me two things he wanted to do he wanted to score in the Derby and he'd never scored a hat-sig forever and his goals won at Newcastle and things like that if he could have got the F8 Cup he'd have all been happy day and that was the thing isn't it ideally the comeback when he played in Dunc's testimony because he was still mobile and the power catches up on him the two things what cost us with Wayne is he would drag us to come home three years ago but Man United's record and England's record and he was still captain and we didn't have the money but it's never been about the money no no but I think it's easier to get don't forget we almost had him when Moyes went there we met him in London he agreed a deal underground and he wanted to come back Moyes went in and Moyes couldn't lose Wayne Newney that summer because he would have been too much of a thing Newney was coming don't forget and I think the hierarchy he said to Moyes he can't go no but I'm saying the way the records he did bolted them in about six months he did Man United and England within about six months he had 67 maybe eight months he got bolted them and it kind of fell wrong for us to bolted them the right time was to test them only because he still had the power he had the power and now I still think with a technical coach who plays slightly different to Silver he'd still be able to get a job but now with this fella it's a bum and don't forget the Premier League moves on and it gets a little bit bigger I think by keeping them in the team you're taking away from Sigarton and you're paying them and you bought them so it's all right it's 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