Good evening. This is Crime Classics. I am Thomas Highland with another true story of crime. Listen. The drone of lawmakers before the president of the Senate wraps the gavel for silence. The year of 44 BC, the city, Rome, the conclave of the toged and jeweled men waiting the arrival of Caesar. And there stands Brutus, silk and clad and heavy jawed, and there, Cassius, sleight of figure and hawk-like features. And there, Casca, a casca later called Vile, probably he didn't deserve such a name at all, for he was only one of several who held sharp daggers beneath their vestment this day, the Ides of March. Here he comes. Tonight, in my report to you on 23 Knives Against Caesar. Crime Classics. A series of true crime stories taken from the records and newspapers of every land from every time. Your host each week, Mr. Thomas Highland, connoisseur of crime, student of violence, and teller of murders. Now once again, Mr. Thomas Highland. Julius Caesar was born in the year 102 BC, and by the time he was 16, at the year he received the toga virilis, the symbol of manhood, he was already an opinionated young fellow. I'm a direct descendant of the goddess Venus. When anybody asked him of his ancestry. And a few years later, having been house guest at many homes on both sides of the Appian Way. To all women, I am all men. Prompted to give an opinion about his prowess as a soldier. The world will taste my sword. About his intellect? A genius. Bold strategist. Of unsurpassed valor. Godlike. Which is a good time to tell you what he looked like. The Suetonius has him as a man of tall stature, fair complexion, shapely limbs, somewhat full faced and keen black eyes. He was somewhat overnight in the care of his person, a smoothly shaven with superfluous hair above his eyes, plucked out. He combed his hair forward to hide the fact of his growing baldness, a fact which disturbed him greatly. Cleopatra. Noble Caesar. Tine not your fingers in my hair. Oh, but it is the remembered touching of you that... How do you have to go back to Rome? Because it is the time to. Oh, what would be better? To float on this barge till where the Nile begins. To the heaven that lies over the edge of the world. Pretty thought. Of a woman in love. Woman. Girl. In truth. Woman. Oh, Caesar. What? There is about you. What? A divine thing. Now girl again. Something Godlike. Long ago. Oh, long ago when I first heard the name Caesar. Master of men that mastered Gaul and the unknown places beyond the seas. And my teacher said your name and what you had done. The word came to mind. Godlike. Truly. And when you came to Egypt in pursuit of Pompey and finding him already murdered and the weariness and at the same time elation on your face and I saw you for the first time. That word again. Godlike. Cleopatra. Oh, Caesar conqueror. Caesar king. Divine Caesar. Perhaps. Perhaps. Yes. When I return to Rome. A hero. Hero of the world. There will be talk as you have talked. That you are of the gods. Yes. But now soft flows the Nile and quiet curves the moon in Egypt's sky. And I am at the feet of my conqueror. Child queen. In the first century BC. Triumphant parade. Infants of hero. People on Roman holiday. Julius Caesar has returned to the city. Past the temple of Concordia. Past the house of the Vestos. Turn left under the arch of Septimus Severeus and into the forum. Caesar has come home from Egypt. The conqueror is home again and Laurel Reaves sets well upon his brow. Everything will be all right again. Caesar will see to it and he mounts the rostrum and the crowd hushes and Caesar speaks. I came. I saw. This last day left your bosoms. Goal once torn asunder by marauding and barbaric tribes is now united and pays homage and tribute to all of us here. With Pompey is at an end. Pompey is dead in Alexandria and his legions I pursued into the desert. And I, these things I must tell you those veterans of my legions who wish it will receive land and booty in the transferring colonies. Those among you who are without slaves may choose among the barbarians. The prisoners. The constitution of our state will be re-explored so that you, my people, will reap its blessings and rewards no longer at the mercy of corruption. These things by divine word. These things by the divinity which lies close to me.  He didn't shout it. He just let it fall nice and easy against the ears of the Roman citizen. And speaking of Roman citizens, I'd like you to meet a couple. One's name is Flavius, a shopkeeper 43 years old. Wife, three children, hobbies, the spring rituals, Greek picture stories, ambition to visit Greece. And the second citizen is named Luca. Son of Timber, another worker, 40 years old, wife, two children, hobbies, the arena watching all sports. Just average gentlemen, family men, decent, home-loving, owning a toga for dress and one for work and sandals to match. And friends. And now and then they were apt to meet on the street, somewhere near their respective shops. Hey Luca, hey Flavius, where do you go? Returning from the parade. Where am I? A spectacle. Yes. What is the... Here where I have lifted my son Cassio on my shoulder so he could see. I have seen your Cassio. He waxes with each day. Did you get close enough to here, Caesar? Yes. What did you think? Well, I'm not sure either. What about the slaves? Are you going to take a slave? I've got four to feed now. He's giving too much to the veterans. Well, if it wasn't for the veterans, where would we be now? I guess so. He said he was going to... You mean about the constitution? You remember he came back from Britain? He said the same thing. He came back from Gaul, the same thing. Spain, the same thing. Now Egypt, the same thing. Only a little duster. Talking about Egypt. Cleopatra? A friend of mine in the legions saw her. Oh, well. He says in Egypt it was good to be Caesar. Listen, you want to stop over the shop. He brought back some picture stories. Maybe. Let me ask you something, Flavius. Did you hear what I heard? What do you mean? What Caesar said about divinity? I remember he said something. Divinity? You think he's trying to get us to raise temples to him? Oh, he wouldn't. No, no, no. Caesar now? Maybe so. Well, well, I have got to get back too. Give my love at home. Thumbs, thumbs. Friends gesturing each other farewell. And down this street and up a hill named capitaline hill and halfway down its farther side there was a building of marble in a grove of cypress. A building dedicated to leisure and sweating off the fat. Roman baths for the Roman nobles. Highest stratum. Slaves to bring apples and towels and pills and unguents. The tear of rocks steaming in the waters of the pool. Warm and scented. And sitting on edge, feet at dangle. Two highest stratum nobles. Brutus and Cassius waiting for their Caesar. And that's what you think, Cassius? It doesn't take a suffocleys to figure it out. Promise the poor what they want. Promise the middle class what they want. Promise the nobility what we want. That's the kind of speech it was, Brutus. And it's a danger. Danger? Consider. He can only satisfy one group by taking away from the other. Therefore it is impossible that he keep his promise. Therefore... I don't think that's the danger at all. What's the matter with you? Weren't you listening? Of course I was. He wants to be a god. I wanted you to say it, Brutus. Because you are his friend. And he leans much. Hail. Hail, Brutus. Hail, Caesar. Long life to Caesar. Not so godlike as Caesar when he swims. Egypt has swelled him. They say Cleopatra. Yes. Look at him. Bald. Caesar who would be god. All slave. Take towel to me. The dust of continents is washed from me, Brutus. How well you swim. The Nile, Brutus. The Nile what exercises it provides. Oh, Caesar. Speak, Cassius. Speak. Your speech of this afternoon. What thought you of it? Interesting. And you, Brutus? Provocative. Oh. What did it provoke, Brutus? I asked myself how it would be where I friend to a god. It would be worthwhile, Brutus. I can tell you that. And I can tell you too, Cassius. The custom of naming new gods is only for the Greeks and Orientals. In Gaul, Cassius, I tame the torrent of a river. In Britain, the torrent of a people. In Egypt, the Queen's torrent. Tamed and changed. So what now is a custom that I cannot change it? Listen. Already there is talk that Caesar speaks, Cassius. Caesar speaks. In Egypt, the people bowed down to me and burned incense. Made sacrifice? In the Senate tomorrow, I shall propose the erection of a statue. And Mark Antony will lay upon my brow the laurel reed. He approaches Caesar. Oh. Your poet. Sinner. Sinner. Sinner friend of my heart. Rise, rise, Sinner, so that I may embrace thee. Dear Sinner. Oh, I've missed you these months. Your sweet words. Caesar, divine Caesar. What catastrophe would be Rome's if suddenly there were no more laws but divine commandments? It must not happen. He is your friend.  Brutus. Yes. There are others who speak as we do. Who? Casca, Tillius, and those who are alone. How do they speak? Of the death of Caesar. Are you with us Brutus? I have said it.  Therefore death to Caesar. Death to the tyrant Caesar. And while this kind of unkindly talk was going on about him, Caesar was on the hot rocks listening to what Sinner the poet had written for him. And liking it. Sinner, Sinner, Sinner. Saturday afternoon in the Roman Baz. A refresher paragraph on ancient Rome. It may come as a shock to some, but I must tell you that the primitive city of Rome was not in the Tiber Valley at all, but on the ridges surrounding it. It was not until the empire flourished that Rome spread out to take up all of the compass marshes that hugged the bend of the road. It was not until the empire flourished that Rome spread out to take up all of the compass marshes that hugged the bend of the road. It was not until the empire flourished that Rome spread out to take up all of the compass marshes that hugged the bend of the river opposite the Vatican hill. The streets weren't paved until about the 2nd century B.C. The first paved street ran down the capital line hill to Casa Hecate, a popular pathway that it was, and so it remains to this day. Since the city depended on wells and springs for its water supply, aqueducts were put in at an early date. And with the most important plumbing down, you've heard so much about. Yes, the Romans were there to stay. Hail, Flavius! Hey, Luca. Have a fig. Well, thanks. Well, from Smyrna. Smyrna of the north, that is why they are so skinny. Well, I've heard our Caesar eats no skinny figs. You seem troubled. Troublest times. The stomach again, Luca? It hurts when I place palm of hand to it so, and press it. But then press not? Then I could not tell whether it hurt. True, true. But more vexing is my trouble. Caesar? My wife disagrees with me. The function of a wife? She thinks Caesar is a god. Yeah, my wife also, my eldest daughter and my son. My children taught too of the new god who walks the Roman streets and sits in the Roman senate and who wears the laurel crown. And they call Caesar god. Troublest times. Troublest times could become not troublest. How? Except Caesar as god. Foolishness. Is it? How say you? I've done much thinking. Since Alexander the Greek, there's been no such mortal as Caesar. A singular human Caesar. Therefore perhaps no human. Therefore perhaps a god. Therefore...  With logic. There are rumors. What rumors? That a statue is to be erected to Caesar while he lives and sacrifices to be brought to it. Then Caesar will enter the realm, Flavius. He will be a god. I believe it better that we accept the fact. Perhaps it will be fruitful for all of us if we have a god in our midst. As it has not been fruitful in spite of the promises Caesar has made. As a mortal. It is to ponder. In truth, it is to ponder. Have another fig. Countrymen, beloved subjects. I behold here the statue. Well up the tears in my eyes. Shiver thou my body. Befumble my soul. And yet I cannot. For within me is a flame. And a voice in the flame. A voice that speaks and says. This is your statue, Caesar. Which they have built for you. Accept it, Caesar. Divine Caesar. Hear me, my people. Divine Caesar. Descended from the gods. And himself. Descended from the gods. And himself. Quite a phenomenon. Hundreds of thousands of birds. Suddenly appearing in the forum. At the precise instant when Caesar was proclaiming himself a god. And they hovered. And they shrieked. And they beat their wings. And Caesar could not make himself heard. And the people ran from that place because they knew it was an omen. Descend themselves a god. But there was no one to hear him. For all the people had fled from that place. For they knew it was an omen. Caesar. Take my hand, Caesar. For I am blind. For I will take you to a place so that you may wonder. This is where we walk. A place of darkness, Caesar. No. It is bright with sunlight. Dark? For I am blind. Lead me. Lead me. Caesar. Yes. What else besides sunlight do you see? There. A soldier. Yes. Where the corridor brightens. Where it darkens. Phantom. Phantom, why do you laugh? Lead me to the soldier, Caesar. And what does the soldier hold in his hand? A flame. And now what does he hold? Nothing. The flame has destroyed itself. And yet. Yet where the soldier has held it. No scar. No seer. No burn. An omen, Caesar. You're passing. You're death. No. No will you leave a mark of flame you are and quickly will you die. No. Your death, Caesar. No. No. Caesar. Caesar, wake. No. No. What nightmare are you having? No. No. Wake. Wake, Caesar. No. No. Burnier. Wife. What nightmare did you have? Of death. Of my own death. I dreamed it also. Last night.  How? With knives. The knives of home. Friends to you. What was that? What voice? Beware. An outside voice. Listen to what he says. Oh, Caesar. Beware. The. Slave. Slave. Outside there is one who cried that Caesar should beware the I to march. Bring him to me. Go. My husband and Caesar, we march. That voice, the voice of dread. I know it. I know it well. How could you know it? Woman, I know it well. I know it. Oh, it is the voice of my troubled dreams. A voice that said to me, I would die. But you're imagining. That said to me, I would die. And your dream and the birds and the forum. And now. And now. Voice. Voice of my dreams. Dread voice. Who are you? What are you that you say, Caesar, beware the I to march? I am a soothsayer. And why do you shout beneath my window? Oh, Caesar. Beware the I to march. Why? Why? Beware tomorrow, Caesar. For the poor tense say that tomorrow the I to march. Is your death. Laugh not, Caesar, but mourn for your passing.  In truth, the voice of this soothsayer is similar to the voice of my dreams and the face, if there is a difference. The eyes of the man in my dreams were sightless. I am blind, Caesar. For God's will it and their brother. You remember the year of 44 B.C., the day of the 15th of March, the scene of the Roman Senate. I would like to read to you from Plutarch's lives. When Caesar entered, the Senate stood up to show their respect to him. And of Brutus' confederates, some came about his chair and stood behind it. How pale today my Caesar. What petition have you, Brutus? Caesar's brother is in exile. I will not grant it. Whereupon Tilius lay hold of Caesar's robe and with both hands pulled it down from his neck. Which was the signal for the assault. Casca gave him the first cut in the neck. Why, Casca? What does this mean? But Casca did not answer. Those who came prepared for the business and closed Caesar on every side with their naked daggers in their hands. However way he turned, he met with blows and was encompassed like a wild beast on every side. And Brutus was the last. You do, Brutus. Die, Caesar. And gave him one stab. Caesar is dead. Citizens, Romans, listen. Caesar is dead. End to tyranny. End to a desperate. Caesar is dead. It must be true, Flavius. Else the noble Brutus would not say it. Well... It just goes to show. Show what? You can have ambition. Don't let it run away with you. My son Cascio wants to be a senator. I'm trying to tell him to be content. Got a nice business he can step into. Well, you know how kids are. I can hardly believe it. What? Caesar dead. Why not? You think he was a guard or something? Well... I'll give my love to the family. The sons. 23 stab wounds were counted. Speeches were made and Caesar was cremated. The next day, official decree by the Senate elevated him to the rank of a god. There was a celebration that lasted for 23 days. And all the Romans agreed it was one of the finest celebrations on record. They danced around his statue a lot and decked it with flowers. And a god couldn't expect much more than that. In just a moment, Thomas Highland will tell you about next week's crime classic. Caesar, tonight's crime classic, was adapted from Accounts of the Times by Morton Fine and David Friedkin. The music was composed and conducted by Bernard Herman, and the program is produced and directed by Elliot Lewis. Thomas Highland is portrayed on radio by Lou Merrill. In tonight's story, Edgar Berrier was heard as Caesar. 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I didn't I mean, I didn't invent the concept I know people and coaches and strength coaches and athletes have noticed this effect where they do short very short bouts of exercise lower intensity oftentimes And getting, you know, great results.   It's definitely more effective I've done it before after you I mean you were touting that for a while like what a couple years ago when you were you were Experimenting with that and you kept talking about how amazing it was and I've done it a couple times The hardest part is the the Yeah, the reality of being able to be consistent with something like that It's like very few people have all day to break up there Nobody has that kind of time yeah But a very cool strategy for hey, it's a Saturday. Maybe I don't have any plans I don't have to be anywhere and I'm gonna, you know, I can do that at the gym all day long Like I definitely think there's tremendous value to do that Well, it's how they work out in prison, you know a lot of a lot of guys in jail One of the ways that they cope with being locked up is they Every opportunity get they'll do push-ups pull up your prison experience. Yeah, I Try to forget I serve my sharpening that shank. Yeah, no, no, no I but they was most likely to go to prison out of the four of us to you. No way No Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I'm without a guy without giving away too much Without giving away too much Come on, bro For sure you run the highest risk Adam is pretty wrist Actually, what's the what's the What's the law and after so much time has passed that I can't be I can't be convicted of things like that the statute of limitations Yeah, what is the statute of limitations five years? I don't know.  Yeah, just so lame right. I said something on Instagram. That's why I'm here. I know Hey, here's why I'm going to prison for some real Hey, here's what would end up happening. I guarantee this will happen. I would be in the gulag Justin would be right next to me and then somehow Adam would escape would not have gotten caught But it would find a way to try and break us out Yeah, that's the story. I would Shawshake if he's sending us stuff in the mail We'd be like trying to dig our way out that would be in the gulag too But he would just get he would get absorbed in there and become the leader of the gulag and you know We would have lost them Justin were you Justin were you working for me when our trainer Steven went to went into jail? There's a lot of Stevens come on. I've had a lot of Stevens work for me. So it's not I don't know. I don't know that I remember so I've got it somewhere I got a fine. He was riding me when he What is the what's the kind of the boys prison over here? I forget the name Elmwood You guys never been there so I don't know so it I think Elmwood So I don't know. I don't know how you rate like what you know what level there's a sand quitten. That was the bad one That's the real right. It's so crazy He wrote me while he was in there And I remember I loved getting into letters because he was kind of like giving me like what it's like and And I didn't go there. I don't remember I really don't remember why why he went in but he was in for I want to say like six months And I remember him like breaking down like all the clicks and the gangs and the verbiage and how stuff would get in and out of there Like it was pretty wild to have him like having somebody in like that was the only person I've ever had In jail Also riding me lives. I've never had that before Well now all you got to do is pretend to be a girl and And you're fine. Oh, I got dms about that I got dms from people that have family that are prison guards and they say it is going It's running rampant right now that that's extremely popular to Get get requested to be transferred over into Obviously, why wouldn't you if you're going to jail? No, I know 10 years. I still can't get over that. Yeah I'm just like still trying to process it You keep you keep alluding though to a long period.  I'd still do it Yeah, why would you not do it for a short period of time? Like if that's an option all I have to say is that I identify as a woman to get it sent over to the woman's present like Uh, yeah, only thing you have to worry about is if we could try to take you back. Wait a minute What'd you do for Dude, I had a you have to do to get out I had a sales counselor who worked for me who He was riding in the car with this bodybuilder guy And I guess they had a bunch of steroids in the trunk And they got pulled over by police officer And you know cops always asked, you know, what do they always ask right? Is there anything in the car that and this guy like he just cracked? Yeah, we got oh my god We got tons of steroids. I'm so sorry And totally got themselves busted Really?  All you do is say no, he's like so guilty. Yeah He's like, ah, you got me. I got stuff in the trunk. Ah Hey speaking of uh illegal stuff and drugs and all these things that you guys just reminded me So I found this new show on netflix, uh called uh, how to sell drugs online fast And it's based on a true story of this german kid who uh is like in high school And he basically it sounds like a very silk road type of story or he started an online Uh, you know drug website or whatever and like made millions and millions of dollars Um, but it got me to thinking like I've I've never been on the dark web before have you guys been on the dark web? No, I think you have to I don't even know how you do that like, yeah, do you have to get a specific type of computer and like How do you jack into it? What's the what's it called tour? Yeah, tour is the I just hear that you get you go through tour and then I know we sound like a bunch of Fuddy duddies that don't know how to do this Yeah, because supposedly is like okay in this show they they talk about it if you've never been on the dark web You were born before uh 1990 That's what they say in there. What does it look like? Does it look different than the normal internet? As far as what's on it. Yeah, well, I mean just a bunch of matrix code just like Yeah, that's what I that's what I'm imagining that I'm seeing pictures. I mean suppose like moogle You know Well supposedly for kid. I mean you should out you guys should out you definitely ask your son He's probably been on it.  No, it says if you were that's what they said They said like every every kid ever this generation. They've all been on there.  Can you help me navigate? What about Andrew you're younger. Have you been on the dark web? Yeah, that's what that's what that tour is So according to the show like that's how Something about like it never links bass sounds so like I don't because they can't they can't talk about no They can't track it right? It looks like it's coming from a bunch of different. Yeah The way it's set up it's to where you can't connect to two things or whatever two people that Well, I just heard that was a cool thing to have If you're traveling and you still want to be able to log into like like for me like youtube tv Like it only lets you do a certain areas But if you have like a vpn it allows you to do it anywhere I get dms from Mind pump listeners in china who use vpns because they you know, if you're in china You can't get on certain sites. You can't you can't get on facebook. In fact, I think they're illegally listening to us You know cool. That is that's way cool. Yeah black market. Well, we should definitely send someone a shirt for that Listen to the show on the dark web. Yeah on the dark web because yeah, come on man We're gonna send each country.   I'm curious To get on there. Yeah I don't you want to know what I'll see. I have some curiosity. Yeah, just what it looks like really Maybe dug you can work on this today. Doug google dark web Google how to get on the dark web Get us up or andrew. He's like you're the young one. You're the young one in the group You should be able to do this.  We're on there if we get on there then they should be able to track us or find us right And is it is it technically illegal to get on the dark web? Yes. Oh, it is I I think I don't know if it's illegal to get on the dark web You know what that's a good question Maybe it's just illegal to buy anything on the dark web, but you can get on there and nobody cares And it's everything on the dark web illegal or is there anything on the dark web that is legitimate too? Uh, I don't know. Why would you why would there be anything on there?  There's a bunch of other ones that you know, they allow certain Communication where they can post stuff. That's like really controversial Um, isn't that like close to dark web stuff? Yeah, I don't I don't know And look it says here that it's not illegal to access the dark web And so there's and there's and it says that there's perfectly legal stuff that's on there too Wow, some people just want it just to uh be anonymous So you just just so you cannot be tracked or found for a I wonder what it looks like. I know can we can we do this? I'm just after watching this show like I'm all I got sucked into it. It's really good I'm already I just finished the first season. There's three seasons And as long as you can get by the um the dubbing Right, so they're oh on that show. Yeah, that's the only thing that's but I mean it's a good plot You want to know what's funny? Here's one of the side effects of the this dark web You know trade or whatever like like drugs Because drugs is a big thing that people will buy on the dark web. Obviously, right? The quality of the drugs That people are getting is so much better. Yeah, because it's like the yelp system Yeah, because they have ratings so people will go on there to buy drugs From some anonymous dealer and then the dealer will have Ratings like if they're on like amazon or something five star and there's comments. Oh, yeah delivered very easily very clean You know, I don't know how much of this one star. It was all oregano I don't know how much of this is is accurate to how it really happened in real life with this kid But that's actually one of the main parts of the show is that then they when they first start doing this Their original source of the drugs was getting lots of bad reviews So they had to find another source that because people were having like reactions and Things and that was like a that was a very pivotal point for the business was they We got to find somebody who's got a better source of drugs one of the the unintended consequences of the war on drugs Is more overdoses Because they can't they make the drugs stronger and stronger So number one number two impurities fake whatever infections So it's funny because it's actually safer. I'm not advocating for you know, whatever it's it's your personal choice and of course we want to break the law or whatever, but It's safer apparently from what I've read to buy things like that online, which is wild Yeah, super super wild to me. I mean, don't you think we're making them go ahead Let's just say speaking of buying things online Here's my transition I just I just was looking around I've been wearing these shorts and I just saw that Viori just came out with some camo shorts I'm like totally into this whole camo vibe right now. So I got that coming in They're like sweat shorts. You guys wear a lot of sweat shorts. Oh, yeah, your commercial transitions are the best They really just transitioned from us talking about selling drugs online to I bought Viori Online is awesome is my point. So you can you can get a plethora of things.  I mean, it's almost illegal.  Yeah, let's see. Let's see what you got on right now Andrew should Can you do like the bubble all of those? Hey, yeah, those are cool. Oh the sunday joggers are now in camo Yeah, yeah camos back you guys. I like it. What? Yeah, you know, it's funny What if Justin stood up right now and actually was naked from the waist down? Oh, I'm just kidding I'm saying yeah Put a big sensor bar on there Um, are you gonna get those at them? Yeah, that's no Well, the sunday joggers those in the what is it the meta meta meta ones that those are my two favorite Dude, what tell me if they have they don't have camo in the in the meta. Do they is it? Am I saying that right meta? I think meta. Yeah, you know, it's I know they haven't been core The core has camo as well But I got the the ponto ones because I like to work out in them Well, the problem with the camo stuff. It's hard to find when you're trying to get them Stop it. I'm sorry Whoa, where'd my legs go? Yeah Ah, it's blended you know speaking of camo Uh, you know how much that's changed over the years with the kind of the stuff that the military wears What do you mean? So the the original camo, I think was was invented during I want to say the vietnam war if i'm not mistaken. I think that's when they first It was like a lot of jungle pattern. Yeah, that was the original and then it looks more like desert stormish But not just that they use different edges like pixelated now Yes, because apparently at a distance it's got better. Have you seen them? You've seen that I look like pixelated Camo versus the like the the vietnam type cam I'm not sure. I mean I can picture like the kind of the desert storm look right with those kind of The lighter colors. Yeah camel colors and stuff like that. No, if the edges are different Doug, maybe you could look up, uh, you know old Army camo versus new army camo It looks uh, it looks different and it's because they found that the blurred like the pixelated edges And stuff is makes it more effective. Oh interesting. Yeah, but up close. It looks weird, right because it looks like you know, you made it with a computer Speaking of that, you know, it's weird. So another terrible transition. We go. Yeah, here you go Sorry, it's not a commercial No, and this is an animal factoid. So you guys know that Polar bears so they it looks like they have like white fur, right? Yeah Yeah, so it's it's really like transparent Uh, because they have black skin skin. They have black skin. Yeah Which is weird Also heat So Go ahead. Oh it absorbs heat, right? That's why they have black skin. It helps them absorb heat So that they stay warmer and the freezing snow. Oh interesting So if you were to if you were to shave a polar bear, he would be black. He wouldn't be white be black Yeah, yeah, wow. Yeah, I did not know what's kind of cool too is the like tigers I guess their skin is actually striped too. So it's not just their fur Wow, I didn't know that that's really weird. Yeah, those are great animal facts. That was a good transition There you go. Hey, uh, what do you think would win in a fight? A tiger or a lion? A lion A lion outweighs the tiger quite a bit. No, no tigers tigers bigger. Oh, the tiger is bigger tigers bigger than a lion Tiger will dominate dude. Yeah. No, those things those things are vicious. Here. No, I've researched this I was up late one night to gladiator days, bro. These are these are questions that need to be answered, right? Yeah, this is great. Welcome to mind pump. Yeah, so lions apparently Here's why they say a lot because lions are smaller tigers are much bigger a lot bigger But they say that a lion will probably win because lions fight often in the wild with each other whereas tigers are more solitary Creatures and they don't they don't engage in like territorial fights and stuff like lions.  I don't know if it's in the san francisco zoo But it's like kind of like an open fence But there was I don't know how tall it was but it one of them literally leaped out And mauled some people have you ever seen the video of I don't know where this is It might be india where there's a like a guide on top of an elephant, right? So he's on the elephant And in the grass is a lion Excuse me a tiger and the tiger leaps and jumps over the freaking over the elephant into the dude Like to get the guy. He's on an elephant. That's what I'm saying Like their athleticism is on another level. Yeah, it's it's scary. Yeah Now is there examples of them fighting or is that just this is all theory that they Well, so so here's what's very interesting, right? The romans during and this was terrible Okay, so I'm not saying this is cool or anything. It's interesting to read about but The romans in the coliseums, you know They used to have gladiators fight and then they would do things like they'd flood the coliseum And do these simulated naval battles But what they also used to do because the roman empire was massive, right?  I mean with the size of their jaw the size of their body weight like what and they're aggressive Yeah, like what would even have a chance as a chance. I don't know. But if I didn't know that I would think a lion would beat it Right or a bear or like a Yeah, I don't know because you you think that like elephants are somewhat docile But some of those bull elephants can wreck shop. So I don't know maybe maybe one of those to like at least knock it over Yeah, that's true. Who was it that uh Like fought the romans and and beat them in some battles because they had elephants Hannibal Hannibal Yeah, dude. I don't know.  We're out of here and saw that coming.  I noticed, you know, here's the deal We were this morning we came in right and adam I are sitting Down hanging out getting ready to do the podcast And uh adam's like man, I feel so negative lately and you know, I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, it's all the news, right? It's just so net and it has been for like two years.  You guys want to hear some cool uh Happy good stories. I do. All right, so please special since you thought of that. Yes so So check this out, right Two boy scouts a 16 year old and a 15 year old. So joseph de inner and dominic viet Were exploring their hometown of columbia missouri on friday To survey the damage after a massive rainfall flooded parts of the city What they actually did is what they did they saw a woman Who was in the flood waters clinging to a basketball hoop and they went in there and saved her life Oh So two two boy scouts went in there saved you job. Hell yeah, right? How old was how old was the lady? Um, I don't know. I just closed the page. I think she was yeah She was in her I think she was in her 30s or 40s. And where was that at again? This was in columbia in uh, Ohio no missy missouri. Sorry in missouri. They just had really bad floods over there right now. They did Obviously, I guess. I didn't know that. Yeah, how good is that right? No, here's here's another good story.  Yeah, but she got a silver medal at the tokyo olympics. Okay She sold it Uh auctioned it off for 125 thousand dollars. Oh, wow to pay for an infant's heart surgery Oh, so she sold her so that an infant could get lifesaving heart surgery. I didn't know they can get that much for those Oh, yeah, I thought they were just plated. Are they like real silver and real gold like all the way through That's a good question. I think so but and who buys one like a like a trophy parent, you know, like a Participation award parent. Well, I mean they I mean obviously the rare. There's only so many medals That you're gonna get for it's an official medal Well, I mean if it I it makes sense if it's actually Gold all the way through and it you can melt it down and sell it one day if you have to so it makes Kind of sense to do it. I mean that's like an investment, right?  All right here Doug pulled it up right now Well, okay, so it says oh so the last time the olympic medals were solid gold We're in the 1912 summer olympics So but now I just played it no well now they're required to be made from at least 92 silver and contain a minimum of six grams of gold So they have to have some gold in them, but that's not very much though. They're not solid. What's what's what's a Gold for an ounce right now Doug. I think $1,800 or so.  So 1,800 that's six grams, which is very little Yeah, it's like nothing. That's not much at all.  Have you ever held Like solid gold in your hand? before Like a like a gold bar just a little nugget bro. You know heavy. It is it's very strange. You know soft it is I know. Yeah, you bite it. Yeah, you did. Well, I mean, I I've never I've never held a gold bar before But I've bit like my you know my watches and stuff like that are that it's really soft I'd say like that's a downfall of like like gold jewelry is that it's so soft that it nicks and smudges like really easy Yeah, I you know, that's kind of lame that they don't do that I thought for sure they they had they had actually some real value to them So then how does someone get $125,000 because it's a rare. It's a rare thing.   Yeah, they don't just hand those out to anybody Yeah, didn't they sell a piece of toast on ebay for I don't know how much money because that was the doritos story Whatever. Yeah, because I had like a mother tree selling or something silly stuff But uh, but I mean how nice is that right?  Uh, you know, that's a good question. That's actually a really good I don't know if I'd sell them all. Yeah, why would you sell them? I mean you earned it all those things 100 something thousand dollars for him I mean if she can get one it for a silver medal if you can get 100 something I'd imagine you get 150 200 for a gold medal, right? Especially Michael Phelps because he's he's it either the most winningest Olympic athlete of all time. Yeah Yeah, but you'd have to be pretty desperate. I think it would sound sad though I feel like I would sell one but one I'd have one for the memory and just be like, yeah I want a bunch of these Sold them though. No you wouldn't you'd have a big glass case in your house. No Totally just a shrine I do I I have trophies, but I have them in my box. Hey, you'd wear them to work your liar I might for a little while Every every business meeting he's in I mean, it's pretty tough.  That's true, right? I'm saying that that's nobody. That's pretty tough Unless you unless you wait, you don't have one.  I'm just like how did this get the olympics? What's the one where they twirl the the the string the flag or color guards? I don't know what that is twirling. I don't know. I don't know but that's an olympic sport They've added quite a bit lately, haven't they? How does that work? Do you guys know like every year every every every time the olympics come around like They add in so many sports or take and they do take away sometimes well They tried to take away wrestling which was to me Infuriating that they would do something like one of the oldest olympic sports If not one if not the oldest olympic sport, I think maybe racing is older Foot race, but you know wrestling has been in there forever I used to like kind of gig all a bit about the whole synchronized swimming thing, but dude They have crazy improved that sport. Have you did you guys watch that at all? I do the crazy stuff I've ever seen Yeah, so I used to train a girl who almost made it to olympics for synchronized swimming And she was explaining to me the training and stuff that they did Insane if you do you ever watch underwater? So when they're having their legs up and they're doing they're all look exactly the same Yeah Watch under How the hell they're able to maintain such a steady position While they're upside down and they use their hands and it's crazy.  I'm gonna get my kid into like like how does that start like I just don't I don't understand You get like things like skateboarding and wrestling and traditional sports that are played in high school And that are I know you know common games, but it's like something like synchronized swimming Like when when did you get a chance to do that or see that you have to get your friends to buy in with you? Yeah, okay, you're doing this move and I'm doing this move Yeah, we're all gonna look exactly the same like what are you doing? You know, it's a weird sport, but it's extremely popular in uh, Canada Like if I think if I'm not mistaken, it's like one of the top three popular sports in Canada Curling curling you ever seen curling. Yeah. Yeah What a weird they do not like when you talk trash about no So I think it's cool. I mean, I love uh, what's the the table version of that? Um shuffleboard or whatever Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like real-life shuffleboard. Yeah.  So they have brooms and they're just Dude when I the first time I watched it I was my I was like my mind was blown Like what is going on? Why are they sliding across the ice with the rock? And then someone's sweeping the floor. I saw they added skateboarding this year. So that was yeah Yeah, yeah, they didn't have they didn't have skateboarding before so that's that's totally new Um, what else did it got? Oh, they had rock. Oh surf climbing. Yeah surfing Rock climbing climbing karate, which I'm surprised. Yeah, I did see that. Oh, I did watch karate Yeah, a lot of it was like a kata and form like so you're getting judged on your technique Uh, taekwondo has been in there a while Brazilian jiu-jitsu needs to be in the olympics. I would love to see that for sure in the no It's not judo judo has been in there forever. Yeah. So how I mean, is it uh, who who decides and is there like a vote? Like if there's a committee a bunch of people that are saying, hey, we got to put this I think you have to show if I'm not mistaken because I remember when ben weeder So this is joe weeder's brother, right? So joe weeder's the you know, one of the godfather's bodybuilding His brother ben was on this lifelong Mission to make bodybuilding an olympic sport And I so I remember reading articles about the challenges and one thing you have to show Is that enough there's enough international participation In that sport for it to be an olympic event So If you bring forth a sport and they're like, yeah, but you know what like most countries don't have A lot of people competing in the sport then they won't allow it in so that's part of it, right? Yeah, big part of it is showing that and then of course bodybuilding never become became an olympic sport because I can't imagine the drug testing Do I mean they could do natural, right? But I mean that's such a subject Very different nobody wants to watch that. You know the boring bodybuilding. Hey, I think it's fun. I like watching bodybuilding Do you even watch the bodybuilding show in a long time? You know, I don't follow it like I used to as a kid, but I think it's pretty it still trips me out I think it's really cool still Jessica thinks I'm so weird She's like, why are you looking at flexing, you know dudes flexing like dude? I'm like wouldn't it be cool to like Be like that just for a day to see what that feels like. No, it's only dudes that look at that No girls watch dudes flexing.   Yeah, it really is I know isn't that funny. That's totally especially when you're getting big Oh, yeah, you know, especially when you get all bulked up That's so that the dudes get impressed with you know, whatever what you look like Anyway, hilarious. So Justin, uh, how are you doing right now with your training and stuff since you're not You haven't been around.  Have you been pretty consistent? I knew well, I'm debating because we're moving. I'm like, uh, do I Sell my current version of uh, you know prx spot rack because they've improved, you know Even since I bought my first one or do I just keep that one and transfer it over to the new place? But um, yeah, I've I've definitely been able to keep consistent But when I was going through double days with training or um, you know out there coaching with with the kids like It was kind of funny because I was doing light sessions in the morning Um, but I was getting so sore because I couldn't help myself.  He kept hitting me. I was like so sore. Oh my god My shoulder was just like aching all night and I'm like, what am I doing?  So yeah Has this sparked you uh, are you watching? Are you following uh regular football now because you're in the coaching realm right now? Or are you not are you not following it any more than you normally would be? I'm I'm trying to pay more attention. Let's put it that way. Um, so I'm I'm definitely like back into watching NFL Um, but right now I'm I'm really just trying to listen to podcasts and watch videos and get back in the mindset of Schematics and trying to break down the why Of of all these different types of plays because we're we're now going to be in our first competition this friday Um, and we're going to see a bunch of different looks and so I actually was spending about I don't know five hours yesterday just with one of the coaches drawing up Uh, a defensive set against different formations and like we're just going through all the options Oh, but if we put them here in this technique, it's going to affect, you know, our linebackers in our Db's are going to have to shift over and like how are we going to call this so it's not so confusing and So it's it's it's fun, but it's also really a lot more challenging than people Realize it's like chess. Yeah, you know when you when you were talking about You know doing some contact with the kids. I mean, you're one of the coaches. I would imagine the kids In their mind, they're like, I'm gonna hit the coach as hard as I think like the goal is to show the coach Oh, you think so. Oh, I would I think it would be opposite Well, no, I would be like because they first of all they probably look at you and you're a big guy, right? So they think oh, you know and plus they want to impress him So I'm sure that there's going at it when they hit him. Am I wrong? Am I right? Um, there may be like two kids like that, but the rest of them were a little more Kind of intimidated. I'm trying to like spark that kind of killer Like going to to seek out contact kind of a feel so it's funny too because I kind of got the head coach Fired up and we're doing these tackling drills and he decided to move one of the kids over.     What's it like? Is it gonna? Yeah, it's the jamboree. So this is actually we're gonna face Uh, three different teams and we're gonna run some offense plays against their defense and then Uh, some defensive plays against other teams offenses. So we get like five different series Three on offense and then two on defense against three different schools So, um, we're gonna be able to see kind of it counts as a practice for them, too Which I found out which is great because there's some kids that still need x amount of practices in order to Uh, you know qualify to play who's who's the rival school? You guys have a rival, right? Yeah, um, you know, that's changed over the years for us. It was harbor Um, but now it's scott's valley because they're so close and like one of our Coaches that I Was in the program when I was there He went over to scott's valley and so scott's valley's like there's heated rivalry Between the two schools and so we're already kind of like that and that's what I was scheming For for like four hours just trying to make sure that we are ready because they're gonna throw a bunch of Uh surprise stuff at us because that's just what they do because they want to catch you on your toes That's fun. I feel like that's the game we should go to we should go to the rival game. So you'll have to tell us When the rival game is is is going that we'll we'll go to that one, you know, speaking of that's gonna be a good one Speaking of surprises, let me show you how you transition to a commercial justin I was really I was I was surprised at uh, how good paleo paleo valley's bars are because I don't the audience doesn't know this but when they first when they first started releasing the bars We actually refused to promote them because we thought they tasted like shit And I was like no, there's no way we're gonna talk about these bars because none of us want to you know But they have came out with a lemon bar flavor that i'm addicted to yeah, what is it lemon something? It's a lemon bar, right? It's just lemon. I think it's called lemon bars. I think that's the name of it What is it? Oh lemon meringue So that what is good is really good easy easy to digest uh for me. I have issues with bars sometimes easy to digest It's got um is it because they don't use whey they use something else. Yeah bone broth, uh protein collagen protein And you know good ingredients. It's not super high calorie and then it's really good. Yeah. No, I know I love it I've been eating them almost every single day and I have not been a fan of the previous flavors But they hit it out the park with this one for sure. Yeah, they did. That's good. That was a good transition Hey speaking of we were talking about rivals earlier. What's the news with amazon and wal-mart? Is it? Amazon start amazon just officially passed wal-mart as the the largest retailer so 600 and I think 610 billion dollars in retail revenue. Wow You know, this is just a it's a great example when people because wal-mart for a long time People were like, oh, they're a monopoly. They control too much. They're too powerful This is just shows the power of the market, you know company like amazon comes out and unseats them as the king Of retail that's incredible to me. Yeah huge huge. No, no, that's a great deal. Hey, I was reading, uh our youtube call YouTube comments cracked me up, right? Um and remember we were talking about the cremate thing Oh, yeah, about what?  That's disgusting That's terrible. Yeah, you know when we were talking about that. I I don't know anybody Uh, nobody in my family know, I never I don't never know anybody to get cremated Oh, really? No, I think I've had more in my family than I'm not. Yeah I don't know. Do you guys save it? I have my grandmother so I have her I have her saved. I actually am the one that you have it. Yeah, I have it Where do you save it? It's in my house. I have it up and stored up in my closet. Really?  Yeah, I'm sorry.  Yeah, yeah So I've I've had it for I've actually had it for a long time and and and have talked about potentially spreading her ashes somewhere But as of right now, I haven't I've just I've kept them You have any ideas of where you would uh want to spread them? I don't because there wasn't like you see if her and I had like a place that we went to or like Uh, my grandmother was a super homebody and I mean if she if like if she went out it was maybe to go shopping Uh, pick up lotto tickets or cigarettes or to gamble like that was like that was her her thing And so I'm obviously not going to spread ashes at like a Las Vegas casino or something Or the 7-Eleven yeah, or at 7-Eleven. So yeah, you just walk in Yeah Later so yeah, no, I've just kept her so I've kept her and I've I've had her uh Obviously since she passed which has been years years ago now And I've talked about spreading her ashes, but I don't know where I would do it I would probably do it somewhere like I talked about that I think it's just kind of non traditional Which is the spreading in the ocean or something. Oh, you know speaking of grandparents I and I'll give this to andrew to put on the on the youtube I got some great old pictures of my grandfather and my grandmother They look really cool. My grandfather was a handsome handsome devil. Oh, yeah Yeah, I'll show you guys afterwards and then my grandma she said, you know, obviously a doll um, and then they have a picture with my grandfather with Uh, not all of his brothers, but some of his brother Did you tell the story on how they met because you told how your parents met? But you I don't think you told how I don't know how my grandpa As I said, you know my grandmother was 16 when she got married to my grandfather Which which was not uncommon in those days in uh in sicily my mom was that old when she so it's not She was 16 when was she yeah, wow Yeah, no in sicily definitely wasn't uh uncommon that was quite common for girls to get married at that age So she was I can't I can't imagine you know, we were talking about how you know parents being the ones that like said I would think though. I mean, how do you feel right now? Do you think that You would do a better job at matching your son up for a life partner for rest of his life Or do you think he would do a better job of matching his own life partner? Yeah, I wouldn't want to do it for him. No, I'm not saying that you would I'm just saying though I I understand and I get that when you have someone when you have a kid who you know Traditionally in a culture if they get married that young It makes more sense for the parents to have more involvement or at least I could see that because I feel like 16 year old Yeah, I mean it like again my point. Do you think that you knowing your son? You know, you could match him up with a better life not saying that you would want to or you would ever do that But I mean I would think that you feel confident about your ability to match your son up better than he could match himself I think every parent right every parent thinks that they know better for the kids and their kids know for themselves Maybe I mean, I don't know if I would feel that way if my kids older, you know My kids 25 28 years old and often living and doing their own thing and have been for you know a decade or whatever Well, you know how it was often 16 when you've been raising them you see them every single morning You know all their their flaws, you know their tendencies like at that point in their life You know how it's often judged is is not necessarily the the mate It's the parents and the family. It's how they would judge back in those days So it wouldn't be like, oh, let me interview this 16 year old girl to marry my son It's more like oh, I know merger of both families. Yeah. Oh, I like their dad. He's cool I mean that also makes a lot of sense though, too, right when you when you talk about, you know You can tell a lot probably about a kid by the way they were raised by their their family and their parents and Their culture and their values, right? I'm sure you could probably that also Well, that that's like Courtney and I are so fascinated with that show on Netflix That's you know goes through all these indian couples are getting set up You know from their families because it goes through all of that kind of stuff and they you know They figure out like like what kind of like traditions they're all about like how they raised You know their kids and all that kind of stuff and it's it's really fascinating to see that It has been pretty successful. Yeah, but there's also cases where it screws people like I know someone Totally I know someone in Sicily so older gentlemen, but he was raised By his mom and her two sisters and none of them ever got married. Why? His mom got pregnant because she had an affair with a wealthy landowner in southern Italy Once he got her pregnant obviously fired her and kicked her out. I don't want nothing to do with you Because you know, she was pregnant without a husband She never got married because that was like taboo like oh, that's it. You're shunned. You you're never getting married again And because of that her sisters never got married because they were sisters with the woman that You know had the whatever illegitimate. Oh my god affected them like that All the sisters so he ended up getting raised by his aunts and his mom and they nobody ever got married because of all because of that So that's one of the downsides.  You know what I mean? Well, there's a there's a lot of cultures too that like uh, That you they rank their their daughter like based off of her skill sets her beauty All the things that she can like she does around the house like And then they're they actually like put like a dollar value to that like when when out trying to find a partner for them Well, you want to marry my daughter? It's at least, you know 14 goats, you know, seriously And then it's oh, well because she can she has this skill set and she's very pretty and all this stuff like that Like imagine being the the sibling that's not, you know, I'm saying you don't live up to like your Your sister's expectation the two goat kid, you know Like come on One more two goats. Here's my daughter. Jennifer. She's worth 14 goats. She does. Uh, oh, that's too expensive Well, let me introduce you to my other daughter She's a four-goater If you only got one go you could try my other daughter here most her teeth aren't there, but she still can eat pretty well We'll throw in a ferret I mean lasagna the lasagna Hey real quick, I hope you're enjoying the show Head over to the mind pump media instagram page So it's at mind pump media And check out and enter in our strong women deadlift challenge If you win you actually win money and we do this challenge Relatively often. So here's how you can enter you go to the page mind pump media You like the strong women deadlift post Tag another badass chick that deadlift So one of your cool friends and then post a video of yourself deadlifting on instagram Tag mind pump media and then use the hashtag Hashtag strong women deadlift We will notify you if you win and if you win there's two winners by the way You get a cash prize. So let's do this. Let's show everybody how strong women can be All right, enjoy the rest of the show first caller is jenna from california. Hey jenna. How can we help you? Hey um, okay, so I am Um Been in a fitness for a while But I feel like my energy levels just suck and my question was I feel like I'm over training But I feel like I'm really not training at all. I'm just like I'm busy I'm a mom to a two-year-old I work from home and I also ride my horse pretty frequently. So I would like to Find a way to include strength training for health benefits um But keep my energy levels up too Okay, um, how what is your exercise look like now? Now? I know riding horses a lot of people don't know this, but uh, that's a very active Um activity. It's actually quite exhausting. You know this from all the horses you rode. I actually did it no So I used to train uh somebody who did uh, you just ride stallions Hey, hold on a second hold on a second. Jenna am I wrong or am I right? No, you're right I used to train somebody who uh, what is it called when they when they stand on the horse and they do like acrobatics and stuff Is that vaulting? Oh, that's that's vaulting. That is um, that's pretty pretty wild Yeah, so I used to train someone that did that and then we would have these conversations And then I rode a horse once and I couldn't believe how exhausted I was Anyway Anyway, it's a lot of activity. Are you doing any exercise on top of that? Are you doing any resistance training on top of that or are you just trying to add resistance training? Yeah, so right now I do I ride three to four times a week two days a week I'll do like a 15 20 minute full body Workout at home with dumbbells Um or bands and then one day a week. I work on like just a long walk or some kind of yoga um But I'm finding after those strength training workouts. I'm just Exhausted you probably hear my two-year-old in the background. Sorry. Yeah, no problem. How's your how's your sleep? Oh the sleep I was super strict with this from like day one because I know mama needed sleep. So she good Oh good. Okay. So maps had a ball across. You know once twice a week right there Yeah, you know, whatever you're doing is is just too much. So the problem sometimes a challenge we get into Is that we feel tired and we You know, we get an idea or a clue that maybe we're doing too much But then what we do is we look at our workout and then we judge it So we look at it and go this can't be too much. I'm not doing that much Or I used to be able to do this and it didn't bother me And I felt okay And so we kind of throw away everything that we're currently feeling so you have to listen to your body So no matter what Whatever you're doing is too much. So what I would do is I would reduce the resistance training From twice a week down to once a week. Just do one full body workout a week Go easy and and allow your body to kind of recover Then the other aspect is diet. Uh, you might be eating too little Or maybe not enough Of the one of the macro nutrients proteins fats sometimes carbs sometimes people need to increase their carbs Do you know what your your food intake looks like calorie wise and macro wise? I haven't I haven't tracked because I had some Disordered eating tendencies. So I haven't tracked in a long time. I probably could now with it being less of a big deal Um, but I do try to eat whole foods and focus on protein Could probably have more protein. You think you could increase your protein.   Oh, this is you know, like I said, I've done this before I'm like, I can't possibly being to be doing too much This doesn't look like much but you have to listen to your body and it's it's as you you get older as things change So is your tolerance for activity and exercise besides the horse riding? Are you doing? Are you doing anything as far as cardio? I saw I saw on your question that jillian michaels and zumba Are you doing are you doing that anymore? Is that just the past? That was a past life of me. Okay. Okay. Is that like a confession or what? Yeah Yeah, that's kind of where I started I had to be honest Um, no, I just get in I start work at 6 a.m.  So okay I like the advice sales. You know, I would love to to see you train Well one to two days a week maps and I'd start one and then because we could always scale up You're feeling great from just doing one Maps anabolic. I'd also love to put you on a little bit of a calorie surplus right now I know you want to lean out right now and you want to go potentially the other direction Um, but there is a good chance that just for all the activity and the stuff that you have going on that You might just be a little low calorie So and you're you're not you're not giving the body quite what it wants and needs for what you're doing So reducing down to a one day a week full body routine Bump it up our calories a little bit just kind of seeing where we're at And then I would I would just kind of go from there and so long as you're feeling good I'd maintain that potentially adding another day of a full body routine if if we like the direction that your body's going But that would be my my suggestion. You know what jenna?  It's been very hot You're in california. You're sweating a lot. Is this right probably sweating out while you're doing And you're eating you said a whole food-based diet Yeah, um, I wonder yeah, I wonder if you're if you need to bump your sodium Okay, intake. Here's the cool thing about sodium if that's the issue You'll notice right away So it's like you have to do it for a month to see a difference If you yeah, if you start to bump your sodium, you could try elementee That's the obviously the company we work with it just It tastes really good and it's got a appropriate level of sodium or you could try throwing Some salt some like, you know himalayan salt in your water Uh while you're riding try Bumping your sodium and see if that makes a difference. I've actually had some some experiences with clients where that was the issue Like we did everything else And then finally we're like, let's see what happens if you know have a little bit more sodium and then like magic They feel a lot better. Like I said, you'll notice the the first day the first day or two If if that is the you know, is the issue. Are you getting any like headaches or muscle cramps or anything like that? Um, no headaches and no muscle cramps really. So I feel like You know, that's another indicator. I'm not doing too much. That's awful. So just a few tweaks. Maybe okay Yeah, I give that a shot and see if that does anything for you It would be awesome if that was the problem, right because you could just yeah supplement with sodium and then boom feel a lot better Yeah Cool. Do you have access to maps and a ballack by the way? I do not. All right. Cool. All right. We'll give that to you. So we'll send that over to you And you just do one of the foundational workouts a week To start with try all the stuff that we said and then I'd love to hear back from you I will definitely. Well, all right. Thank you. Jenna Thank you so much guys. No problem I like I like the Food direction with her because it sounds like she's decent as far as activity training sleep She's even trying to get rest. Yeah. So she's pretty on top of it. Yeah, you know, it's you know It's this is so hard, right? I don't know if you guys have ever done this but where you're doing a workout program or diet and either you have nagging inflammation or your body's not responding and it's like Rather than listen to your body you think to yourself. It can't possibly I can't possibly be doing too much This doesn't look like a lot. And so you end up questioning How your body feels which is a trap, you know, I mean you have to listen to your body Because that's the best coach you could possibly, you know ever have well the supplement market thrives on that Because it's like trying to find that that one perfect key to To unlock what's really happening when in fact it could just be that you're just doing too much Totally our next caller is jake from Ohio. Hey, what's up jake? How can we help you?  There's never off season, but when I'm not in fight camp I'm always trying to build up muscle and get stronger because that is When I have lost before I feel it's usually I'm getting Yeah, it's more on a physicality kind of standpoint um So my question is is is how to gain You know, you know good strength without gaining too much weight Um, which I know it's usually, you know, it's not about it's not about the weight But in my case, I have to make a certain weight um, and then Once I do start fight camp not to lose That muscle so um, we had this body scanner thing at this gym I have Or that I go to and my last fight camp from the day I started fight camp to um The day before weigh-ins I lost nine pounds of muscle So that's where I'm kind of at right now. That's pretty that's actually pretty common and typical in your situation for sure Who would you guys say the uh, uh George st. Pierre Conor McGregor who's pretty good at at this as far as Maintaining their weight relatively close to their their fighting weight So this doesn't happen because this is very typical of a of a fighter who puts on 20 30 sometimes 40 pounds in the off season and then when they go to cut for a show Um, they lose a significant amount of muscle, but and by the way, that's inevitable if the if you're if you put on that much weight Uh in compared to what you fight at, uh, it's it would be impossible to lose 20 30 pounds and not lose Some muscle along the way. Yeah, so the strategy is this well first off Jake How much of that weight are you cutting right before? The fight in other words, um, you know, I know there's a certain amount of weight that you're probably cutting through You know water manipulation and and you know using the sauna So when you before you start doing that kind of a cut which typically has done the day before or two days before What is your weight at? So my goal if it's going to be what I call an easy cut. There's no such thing as an easy cut, but um, If I can be 10 pounds Above weight the week of the fight so that monday before the fight. I'm pretty happy Okay, so then we'll we'll cut 10 pounds of water usually. Okay, sometimes it ends up being more sometimes it's less So the key to this is so this is different for you than I would be, uh, you know, this is different advice I'll give you than I would give someone else The key unless you you want to move up in a weight class The key is to stay as close to your fighting weight Year round as possible. Now, I know What we think is we could bulk up And then cut down and then end up with more muscle But really what happens is that process of cutting Is really how you'll start to feel weaker If you are close to the weight and I think you kind of already experienced that like you said If you can walk if you could be a week out and be 10 pounds above Then you feel best your best bet is to not let your weight go up to 180 pounds Um at all. I wouldn't let my weight go up above 165 pounds You know, this is common with, uh, bodybuilders too. Yes So in the bodybuilding space, this is a common mistake, uh, that I would see happen where Guys in the off season they put on so much weight Trying to, you know add add muscle every show and it's like and then they would cut and then they end up Right back to where they started or maybe one pound of muscle more, but they put on 30 pounds In the off season to get there and it's like that's such a dramatic shift just for one pound of muscle They would have been far better off Maintaining their body weight five 10 pounds close to what their show weight is and the same thing I would I would say with like some fighters is they put on such an extreme amount Of weight and it actually ends up hurting them more than it ends up helping them Yeah, totally I would I would stay as close to your fighting weight as probably within 15 to 20 pounds is what I would do before you start to get ready for your fight or Decide to move up, uh in a weight class now as far as training is concerned You know traditional resistance training explosive movements, uh compound lifts That's all the same if I if I were to advise you versus, you know Somebody who wants to gain muscle or gain weight. It would be the same It's really a function of your nutrition now. There is one thing you can focus on That would that could improve the strength as it translates In the ring and that is to improve your functional mobility. So what that means is and I'm sure you've experienced this jake where You know, you train with the guy in the gym You're lifting weights and they're just way stronger than you but then when you guys Get on the mat your for whatever your strength just translates better Yeah, okay So so there's a couple ways a couple reasons for that one is technique and leverage which is your training I'm sure all the time with your jiu-jitsu and your you know, your moi tai and all that stuff But the other thing is this functional mobility, right? So do you have longer ranges of motion that you own? So somebody for example who could Lift, you know deadlift 300 pounds They would be stronger Usually would be stronger on the mat than someone who could deadlift 300 pounds If they had better mobility and connection to longer ranges of motion because Now they could express that strength In all the different weird awkward positions that end up in a fight Yes, obviously that goes right into what I was going to bring up with end range strength and isometrics You know and something that you can you can definitely improve The generation of force and you don't have to put on a lot of mass to do that That's very central nervous system based So, you know, if you kind of gear your training a little bit more around what Sal's talking about But also then adding load to that so some of these positions, you know If you can find kettlebells or you know something that's a little more versatile in terms of like loading these type of end range of You know End ranges then you you're going to be able to increase that strength. Oh, yeah Well, my question was if you I want to know if you had maps prime pro because I feel like That would be the perfect thing that you could utilize Yeah, so, um My so just to back up for a second my coach is actually because I feel better At this like at like walking around like 175 to 180 like I feel obviously stronger. I feel healthier like I get injured less Um, so my coach is actually wanting me to drop to or go up to 155 for my fights But that's what I've uh, I've maps. I bought that bundle was it was anabolic maps prime pro and maps prime and um, I've been using that because there's only so much time in the day To you know, do my skill training do my strength training and obviously and I work as well in law enforcement. So Like being able to lift, you know, two sometimes three times a week has been a lot More beneficial when I've gained a ton of strength. I'm about to start my second phase now This next call in week Awesome. Yeah, your your best exercises are deadlifts presses rows And then like windmills Turkish get-ups and then I would do maps prime pro stuff Every single day because like I said, you could not gain any strength on your compound lifts Just gain Functional mobility and connection to longer ranges of motion and better control like Justin said isometrics That's your best friend. I really is.  It's like an anaconda. Yes So I would do maps prime pro like just do that often and And improve on that and you don't have to gain any muscle to get Stronger in the ring if you get better functional mobility and the calories To to support that you don't have to go. I mean in this back to kind of comparing this to the bodybuilders You don't have to eat in that much of a surplus to to get stronger in these areas It's like, I mean, you're literally just a little bit above maintenance. In fact My goal for you would be to you know, can I slowly Increase calories and not actually put that much weight on the scale So I'd actually kind of try and maintain my weight So long as I'm getting stronger right if I if I'm getting stronger in the gym More than likely you're you're either one you're you're training the isometrics and you're and that strength is going up or You uh, you are building muscle, you know, even just because the scale isn't going up five 10 15 20 pounds Doesn't necessarily mean that we are not getting stronger. We're not building muscle in the gym Yeah Unrelated but yeah, my wife is uh, she just came off a bikini show. So that's what she's They do like they're just like slowly adding calories back to into her nutrition. Nice right now Yeah, well, I appreciate it guys. Yeah, good deal. And you know, are you in our forum? I Don't think so. I don't know. I might be all right. Well, if you're not jake, we'll get you in there for free because there's some other MMA, you know fighters in there and people that have some experience and it's cool to share experiences and get some insight So you might get some Advice in the forum that would help. So we'll get you a free access in there I appreciate it. Thank you guys.   Yeah, you're trying to gain more mass because it's It's very it's very much like how much ground can you acquire? So, you know mass is beneficial in that arena, but uh in wrestling and MMA, you know, these weight cuts are really challenging because you lose that weight And then you're trying to gain it back, you know after your weigh-ins and you just feel fatigued and weak Yeah, have you guys ever well? I know adam because of your shows You've had to cut real lean and come down.  Oh, yeah No, I mean they call them they call them walking dead men at that point Right, so but I mean this it's this is common man This is really calm this and I think we fell into this even as just young lifters this idea of like You have to put on this a bunch of mass in order to add a few pounds of muscle And you you really do not have to and he's gonna feel better The closer he can stay to his fighting weight. It's possible.   So now you're stronger But sometimes it doesn't work that way because you cut so much weight You actually show up to the fight and you feel like garbage, you know One of my cousins was a wrestler and his coach kept having him cut so much and and he would feel dizzy And tired and I'm like dude Wrestle at a higher weight and he says no, I'll be weaker at a higher weight because everyone's gonna be bigger I said no, you won't I said you're weaker now and he did he actually Competed a higher weight and he's like bro night and day. I feel so much better Yeah, and I get it because the coach is wanting to win and have the best, you know chance Maybe going at a lower weight class, but you know, you're your natural fit a lot of times You're kind of fighting your body just to get you know down in that low of a weight You know, there is a there is a massive individual variance here too And you have to kind of know your body type because there are some people Um, you know, I had an ex that was like this where I mean she could Dramatically cut calories and and cut a ton away And just keep muscle and keep muscle and her body just and you and I were just talking about this After having COVID and stuff like that. It's like man I have the body type where you know, I lost 10 pounds and guarantee six of it was muscle That's just my body type. Now. There's I have pluses too My body will respond and add really quick and so, you know, I it's it's not all negative because it happens But you you do you want to know your body type? You may not be the type or you might have a Someone who's in your fight camp or one of your companions that they are able to drop 30 pounds and hang on To all their muscle and you can't compare Them to you because that's where the genetic variance is even if they have similar diets similar routines But yet when they cut they hang on to all their muscle mass You're the type that maybe loses a significant amount when you dramatically cut like that Our next caller is mica from florida. Hey, what's up, mica? How can we help you? Hey guys, uh, love the content. I just want to say thanks first. Um So what I got going on is I've kind of run into a string of bad luck. I guess you could say I um, I got I got sick. Um, probably Six weeks ago wasn't covet. It was some probably daycare bug. Um Recovered from that after 10 days got back to exercising and then immediately caught cobit I caught cobit three weeks ago mild symptoms Sub 100 fever tons of exhaustion. No real respiratory issues minor respiratory issues um, and that took me out for about I'd say 10 give or take days. Um, and so now I'm three weeks, you know post it, but I'm still going through this post covet fatigue and I'm at a point where I feel like I kind of need to push through it Start exercising again. Um, but the problem of guys just is the fatigue Weight feels so heavy, you know, cardiovascularly feel everything just feels extra. Um, and I want to put together a plan But I don't want to overdo it But at the same time I don't want to sell myself short So I figured I'd reach out for your advice on to kind of how to get back to What I was doing prior. Well, welcome to the club. Yeah, and good good timing with this question since this is all on our mind You know, you know, Michael when you're in a situation like this, uh You have to weigh out the risks of Underdoing it versus the risks of overdoing it, right? Exactly. So what are the risks of underdoing it? Well, you don't I guess progress as fast as you possibly could. What are the risks of overdoing it way worse, right? You could yeah really set yourself back.  I mean if you're doing nothing now Then I would literally, you know, and if you're used to you know on your question It says here that you do six days a week of mountain biking before and look like you're real active Yeah, I would go like for Like easy cruise on the bike and then come home and just do that You know, uh every day or so and see how you feel and then if you feel good after the first week of that Then I throw in one day a week of really light resistance training really your goal is just Full range of motion and just practicing the lifts And then if that feels good, then you ramp up a little bit again and just take your time The other thing is that that and this is I'm not a doctor. So I want to say it's ahead of time Um, but just for my own reading that some people post, uh, COVID just have this kind of lingering inflammation in their body and that They think that that could be what's contributing to some people having what they call long COVID So I would structure my nutrition and supplements around Inflammation so like fish oil lots of fish oil. I would take that I would Uh, I would you know even reduce my carbohydrates a little bit that might help with some with some of that Uh, a baby aspirin every day might be good. Uh, they recommend that anyway just to prevent, you know The potential blood clotting that can happen and just Pay attention to you know stuff that could help with inflammation and see if that makes a difference, but Go going easier than you should is way better than going harder than you should is my whole point with it There's nothing wrong with just dipping your toe in the water a little bit right now. I know Doug is back to lifting Sal is back to lifting. I don't think Andrew is and yesterday I literally yesterday I did I did five, uh, five exercises one set and it was literally just to feel I just wanted to feel it out and then assess how I felt later on and uh, I was fine doing those I didn't obviously break a sweat. I didn't even lift weight that was challenging weight for me I just wanted to see how I would feel afterwards Definitely was a little fatigued and tired later on in the day And so that's just this the sign back to me that okay. I'm not I'm definitely not ready to get after it Today I might do a handful of more exercises There's you know, we have this idea all the time that if we if we're not sweating or not sore It's it's it's worthless. So we're not really working out and it's that's so not true, especially Uh in all of our situations right now where we're coming off something like this So and then I'm walking at night So I walked with Katrina for like a good half hour just with the dog and just went for an easy stroll And so just ease yourself in and and uh, I would I would lean on the the easier lighter less work side Until you get this feeling of after you do a few of those exercises you go Oh, wow, that's energizing me or making me feel good. And that would be my sign of okay Let me start to ramp up a little bit more volume or intensity Yeah, usually when I've taken time off and you know Me not having it right now. So it's like I've not kind of been the same boat as the guys but It is to really like reframe this into address certain instabilities I usually tend to gravitate more towards unilateral training This is why like in our map starter program We sort of laid things out that really addressed a lot of You know getting the body back to you know reconnecting and addressing any type of imbalance So, you know to to be able to kind of dive into that because we get in kind of Momentum with our training a lot of times where we're just always trying to you know perpetually progress And you know using this as an opportunity to kind of address maybe some Instability things that could come back to kind of haunt you later As you're trying to really like work on your performance again. I think would be you know, great strategy. Yeah, so Are the infamous cardio killers telling me I should probably ease in with some cardio first And then Walking is not a bad idea. And also you wrote you did a lot of mountain biking. I'm sure you enjoy it So and you know, yeah, look, here's the deal You know, we talk when we talk about cardio in the context that you're referring to It's when we talk about people who are You know, that's that's all they do and they want to lose body fat. Yeah, but I say tongue in cheek. That's it Um, but someone like so go ahead. So I ease it. So you think just so ease into some cardio kind of increase the intensity of it until I Or mix in maybe a day of cardio a day off a day of very light resistance training. Yes Would you implement? Yes, absolutely. Just what you just said So I would do a really light ride with my bike And then the day after or the day after that then do really light full range of motion resistance training Give yourself like, you know, I mean you figure you were sick for you were sick before then you got covid Give yourself like three four weeks of slowly ramping things up and muscle memory is a beautiful thing You don't need to do much to get that to to kick in so Let your body do its thing I really like Justin's advice too. Um, because I'm kind of dabbling with this right now I don't like putting it out on the podcast because I haven't fully committed yet in my head But when this happens to me where I have to kind of like reset And kind of start from scratch again This is also always I always like to come back with kind of a new goal too Like that thing that I haven't been addressing, you know, whatever What like Justin was alluding to like posture stuff and stability or range of motion or that mobility You know thing that I should be doing that I know I'm not doing and so I like to take this opportunity of like a clean slate starting over and it's like, okay, you know What there's that thing that I've been, you know, telling myself I need to be doing in the gym more like I'm going to start to implement that slow and since I had to start so slow and gradual This is a good time to start at square one with this kind of new goal So there's a good time to do something like that right now So I only you know what that probably is for yourself But not that idea to start to maybe implement that too So maybe let's focus on some rotator cuff instead of just jumping There you go.  That makes sense. All right. Very cool. Thanks for calling Well, thanks guys. I appreciate it. No problem people in like a Tangible example, you know what we're talking about so my typical Workout, let's say my typical leg workout would usually consist of something like Four or five sets of squats Four or five sets of you know front squats. I might do some hips thrust I might throw in some stiff like a deadlifts and so that would be a total workout, right? So probably a combined, you know, 15 sets for my legs. Here's what I did yesterday for my legs Three sets of walking lunges. I held 30 pound dumbbells Which for me is super light. Normally I'd put as much as 135 or 160 pounds on my back So I held 30 pound dumbbells three sets of walking lunges three sets of stiff legged deadlifts with 30 pounds. That's it So I did six sets total Super light. So just to give people an idea of just how easy You want to kind of ease yourself into it and today I feel okay. I feel good. My legs feel good I could tell I did a little bit of work on them and I'm not going to ramp up the volume until Next week, but I'm not going to ramp it up to what I what I left at still I'm going to give myself at least two. Yeah, I was even even weaker sauce than that.  I went over did some tricep push downs I did some cable rows with like hardly any weight. I mean literally I did some just to move reverse Yeah, it was literally just to move was like Let me see what happens when I lift some of this weight and just see how my body feels And really I'm looking to see how I felt later on it's like, okay Let me do this stuff right now And do I get that feeling of oh I if I Energize me for the rest of the day or did it make me feel fatigued and tired and I actually felt some fatigue and tired So to me that's the sign that like, okay You know, I'm definitely not ready to get after a workout And so staying kind of in this, you know one to two sets of exercises really really light and just move the body right now It's kind of where my focus is Our next caller is jenna from north carolina. Hi jenna. How can we help you? Hey, I'm good. Um, so I had a question for you guys. I'm a fitness instructor primarily right now teaching zumba step and a core and Targeted class and I'm actually getting ready to start phase two tonight of the split program and Just kind of wanted to get your input Listen to you guys a lot on your podcast about how To best incorporate these exercises and these programs while teaching classes How many how many classes a week are you teaching right now? Um three total Okay, three classes a week. That's not bad. You've been doing that for a while Um, I have I've been teaching classes for six seven years now Okay, your body's pretty adapted. I you know, you're fine. I wouldn't add anything else. So I would teach the classes Do this map split which is pretty high volume if you find yourself feeling a little overtrained Yeah, honestly, I think anabolic would have been a better place to start Yeah, you might want to back off and do like maps anabolic, but if you've been doing it for a long time Sometimes oftentimes people's recovery gets real good. They're pretty adapted. I wouldn't add anything else though I wouldn't do extra cardio. I wouldn't do any other extra workouts. Jen. Is this your first maps program? Have you followed anything else? It is my first maps program. I love weightlifting I used to do a lot of it when I was in the Marine Corps and I Took a break from it for a while and um Kind of went on to my own program a little bit And then I started listening to you guys and just really wanted to jump back into it And so that's where I'm at. Oh, so you jump back into it with map split Yeah, I would prefer so we're gonna give you a map. We're gonna give you maps anabolic I jumped back into it with my own program for about a year and then did map split Okay. Well, are you getting stronger right now with map split? Absolutely. Oh, well, you're if you're fine if you're getting stronger. Absolutely. Yeah, if you're getting stronger, you're you're totally fine Um, and I just wouldn't add anything else. Strength is the best gauge. It's it's objective It's if you're getting stronger. You're probably doing A lot of things right, but I I definitely wouldn't add more now. Here's the deal after doing map split You probably would benefit from going down in volume to a maps anabolic Believe it or not just because it has so much volume go down to maps anabolic And you'll probably get great strength things again. I would have preferred her there I would have preferred if it was my choice, I would put you on anabolic right now And then have you go to split afterwards? I just think that you I mean it's just I just had this conversation with Katrina not that long ago because You know and to Sal's point. Yes, you're getting results and stuff like that. So it's working But it's like if I can have you doing less volume and we and it's working and we're seeing great results I would always rather that I would always rather us doing less work for the same or more results So we have somewhere to go after that because the the amount of volume and split is significantly higher than anabolic so If I can get the same results Strengthwise for you with just doing maps anabolic That allows me to progress you better when you go into split than if you go to split right now And then we're trying to then we have to go backwards as far as volume I would just I mean, we're all send it. We'll send it over to you. So you have it Um personally that's uh where I would like to see you first But other than that it sounds like I mean the amount of classwork you're doing I actually think is great at three three hours a week is actually probably really great for you And it's not a concern. It would only be a concern I think if you were doing that every day or twice a day every day But the amount of cardio you're doing is actually probably really healthy really good balance for you and maps anabolic actually complements That that that amount of training volume right now and I think it would be perfect. I can't disagree with you Okay, that's a first. Well, thanks you guys.  Oh, yeah, you're welcome And you know, thank you and Justin I I'd love his input because I know he was a huge zumba guy back in the day He still is I haven't broken that habit yet, man. I like to shake them hips I love zumba. I've been teaching it for eight years. I love it. Yeah, it's it looks like a lot of fun I have two left feet though. If I tried doing something like that, I'd probably kill the person next to me Thanks for calling in awesome Joe. Thank you Thanks. Bye. No problem Yeah, you know one thing that we have to also consider is That's why I asked like how long have you been teaching classes like this like You know, for example, and I always use this example But you know, my my dad is was a blue collar workers whole life and when I would go to work with him as a teen And with his workers like these guys had been working construction for You know decades doing their sleep now. Yeah, and it doesn't It doesn't over train them because they're just their bodies are so actually just so fishing at it.  I would I would imagine. Yeah, it's really low too I mean, I'd even if she'd been doing it for a really long time I I might be a little more concerned if she was doing teaching too. I mean, I had I'd taught a lot of class or taught a lot of um, I coached a lot of clients that were instructors And it was always difficult with the ones that were teaching multiple classes a day. Yeah Well, it was always challenging to get them to go through their entire rest period Yeah, I remember having to kind of really and just to progress them on that I mean to progress them when they've been doing body pump and zumba two three times, you know, two three hours a day every day like That's really really tough to kind of they need a reset where I mean, she's she's fine I mean, what she's what she's training right now is probably and maps on a bulk I think will compliment it so well I agree Look, if you like our information, you'll love mind pump free.com We have tons of guides that can help you do everything from you know building muscle Burning body fat improving your performance with some key exercises We have guides for personal trainers. We have guides to help you with things like back pain Again, it's mind pump free.com. You can also find all of us on social media. So you can find us on instagram Justin is at mind pump. Justin. I am at mind pump sal and adam is at mind pump adam