, I'm gonna get more views Watch they do. I'm not I don't even remember only one time Only one time.   Yeah. No, he's got actual moving You know 3d renders that he's done But this is this is a fantastic job And I can understand trying to pose it as a leak From the framework of they want their work to be appreciated But also it's totally misleading. It is not at all true Yeah, see what got me wasn't that like if you just put it up and didn't say anything I'm cool with that Whatever we all know it's fake and you're not claiming it's not that it's real My problem is when you go to some of the replies You know and Some of the replies are like Yeah, oh you want information on the new joy cons. This is what the new joy con information is. This is this i'm like You're acting like you know things you don't like you couldn't just leave it at the mock-up and just Keep releasing new types of the mock-up let people get high let people think about it and just leave it alone right if you don't say anything at least I mean you could I guess you could thrive off the ambiguity of Non-response. Yeah. Yeah. Were you not you never really said like I liken it to The uh, do you remember the the leaked nx back in the day that was 3d printed When that got out, you know and was posted online You know with the joysticks and the little of the screen and everything People ran wild with it and the person who posted it never claimed it was real That never came out of their mouth They just let the internet go crazy with it and then after a while, you know It was like a few days and they're just like guys come on here here It is let me show it again And then he showed the whole process how it was 3d printed and everything which was very clever Got him lots of attention and like that's what this person wanted was just to get a lot of attention for some clever ideas Cool I'm cool with it, but you can't just maybe tomorrow Let the internet run wild with it tomorrow. Maybe there's like hey, so it's fake. This is how I did it Right, except the difference is we know this is fake There's no Like you remember the yeah, at least that was based on a patent Love the 3d model one. Yeah. Yeah, and then the the rayman leak Um, like that people were like, oh, we're not sure if this is real or not, right? Like there was some doubt um, so those make sense like but this If you know what you're talking about, you know that this is fake And the problem is not everyone knows what they're talking about. Some people don't analyze things as as deeply They just like see oh, it looks cool. Okay, great. Maybe it's real Like I think that's what that's why it's things like this gain traction because not everyone kind of like assesses it I don't a really deep critical level, you know um And so I wanted to preface By saying I think as a creator, right? Like I think what they did is impressive, but it's by no means at all Thank god, there's no there's no there's not even a snowball telling chance that I think this is real So so for those who don't know I've seen a few people the chat like what are you talking about? There's this guy on twitter that put up share the imagery um Yeah, I could whether or not I I don't have it locally Oh, and I don't have my keyboard. Well, I mean it's your podcast. I just I mean you can share it I think you don't have the ability to share. I I don't have my keyboard in front of y'all So don't have a public bad. Yeah Yeah, I could be if I I'm sure I could find it in like a second, right? Yeah, it's it's it's at I think I quote I quote tweeted. Oh someone was this is Cheeto gaming This is I think I had more a problem with this what cheeto gaming did.  Maybe I could just do a straight up screen share here.  What is it? It's small Although unless you believe Dante's inferno where it gets cold I'm talking about the fiery a snowball's chance in the volcano. How about that? An active one Okay, so I think Yeah, I think we're we're good. I don't know if I have oh, man The hype is real. Okay. I I can't see it. What I can see it. Yeah Um, anyways, okay. Yeah, it's it's live. Okay. All right So this is the the account that it all originated from and if we go down it kind of started with this Okay, he's a new account that joined in july and he did this. Okay. He put up these mock-ups There's obvious things with some of the mock-ups that are a little weird Some of the capitalization on legend of zealotiers the kingdom is not how nintendo did it a zeno blade of mark The zeno blade one is is a big one as well. So there's a platoon three is backwards actually to yeah Yeah, so there's obvious There's obvious things about them that are uh, we clearly fan made So I'm going to point out how the background behind some rpg here is um from actually like mario 64 or something But I think my mario galaxy or the mario galaxy. Yeah, I think it's like that The point is there's a billion red flags. Okay Tons of them that that it's fake But it is neat and it is a concept that we haven't seen anyone come up before And him just posting this into an hashtag nintendo switch I don't like the leaked part, but whatever cool. I'm this isn't a big deal I literally already used this image mock-up in one of my Thumbnails recently because I just wanted a new switch Mock-up because we've been used like the same ones for a while. You know, it's interesting. I I I almost never Use any like Fan made mock-ups one because I try to use just like official stuff and sure sure around But also I just that's just something I but it's hard. It's hard to make switch to thumbnails without using a mock-up Yeah, yeah, yeah And then he posted this joy con 2 I find this image more impressive than the first and this is It this looks official. I think I don't know what language it is. I think it's italian someone told me, but I'm not 100% sure Can I read it bad? Nope. It's not spanish. Yeah, so It's it's interesting. Uh, it looks like exactly like a document This looks like an official thing and it's very well done Maybe it's not because maybe the text is a bunch of bullshit, but I can't read it And that's kind of maybe part of the point is that unless you are this native language. You can't read it either Uh, okay, cool. You just essentially tell me sometimes we'll shoot in town. I'm cool with this.  We haven't even gotten to the really impressive stuff yet Then he did this Okay, this was this was his 3d render mock-up of the of the new UI. Was it made in blender? Yeah, maybe I don't know what he made it in Um, and there's red flags in this as well The biggest one that people point is super mario wonder instead of super mario bros wonder Uh, but Like so far, I'm cool with this like kind of would never make a ui look like this. No, they don't and it's it's it's a Nice ui. It's slick. It's it's fine. Also probably uses too much ram Probably but the point is it's neat and I'm not even mad at this guy This is just cool. We've seen mock-ups before. That's good. This is neat Then he does this thing tomorrow What does that mean? puts an image from the launch trailer Of switch Like the reveal trailer. Maybe he has his own version I actually would I actually want to see it because I think it's made some cool stuff And then he does that did this one showing it going in a dock Going down a war pipe pop it out of the war pipe and boom. It's on your tv That that's so fake And then you see that some details on the game pop up on the screen So potentially in this situation the reason the dock is this way is you might be able to get extra information Or certain things on that screen while you're playing sort of like it's a side tablet And you know what a lot of people do have tablets on the side while they're doing things So okay, it's just a concept and you know what if this is all this was I'm kind of cool with what he did It's fine to me If the problem is like when he goes to some of the replies his his his twitter handles at nintendo's bs Which is I mean, if you don't know what that acronym is for it's for bullshit And if you don't know what that figure of speech means it means probably not true Yeah, like it It's just I don't like any of this Like it's not an adaptive dimension of the new joy con or the same like literally acting like this is a Official thing it I just But for the most part, I'm not really mad at that person. Okay to be clear I'm not really mad at them And I I'm for the most part fine With how things turned out But the problem was switch force put it in a video yesterday But he Was straight up that it was fake the whole time He just wanted to talk about it because it's really neat looking and it's one of the most in-depth mock-ups we've seen in a long time. It's a very well done mock-up Yeah, we we haven't had concept since the switch pro days We haven't really gotten any more really neat mock-ups until this one. So it's it's cool. It's neat And so it's fine and he clearly didn't have much else to make a video on at the time So he chose to do that's fine. That didn't bother me. But then cheeto gaming and like four other people Started acting like this is a real thing Some of them being content creators with a bit of a following We're hiding behind the guys. It's just a rumor And that really set a lot of people off that got people like You know, so rgt spawn wave all these other kind of people want who the hell believes it's clearly fake blah blah blah blah blah Like this isn't It's isn't the zelda OLED edition leak that was very very difficult to really prove if it was fake or not. It turned out it was 100 real And that's why it was so hard to prove that it was fake. There were arguments for it to be fake I'm just made a whole video Doing some close examinations on things that just feel off Then maybe didn't matter. It was real. It was real the whole time Cool back and forth on that one. I first thought it was real then I thought it was fake Yeah, but that's the thing like even when you point out your nitpicking At things that aren't really definitive and could just be maybe because of the quality of the photo taken right Like it pre-production version. Yeah pre-production. So like and it turned out it was 100 legit So it's kind of like but this from the very beginning Gave obvious signs that it was fake from the very beginning the very beginning the first off is this all it's all portrayed as Promotional material. So as if it's final. Yeah, um, and there's nothing about this that makes any sense Because first off we're not showcasing any switch to games Right like that as you point out that here's the kingdom. Um font is like that Like system launching this year clearly with the game shown Right. So here's a here's something that maybe some people make make confused some people On youtube titles a lot of us may capitalize every single letter That's just kind of something that is done but that is not How it typically is portrayed like if we're writing that out like in a description or a website or a blog or a twitter post Like we're gonna say legend, you know the legend of zelda and the the the ofs and those are going to be lowercase Unless it's the first one because you know the beginning of a sentence um or title But like that's that's weird. That's not something that nintendo would do for that No, they don't because I'm looking at it right now and it's the normal case of the first word And then legend lowercase of the key words have to have the Yeah, yep And then the all the images have we have weird little backgrounds But then just like you consider like functionally what this is like, I think it's a cool concept I think there's some interesting ideas there like the idea that the joy cons can maybe have a glove So they could have maybe better grips. That's great But also to have the system where there's one oval one oval and then the system's an oval I don't that that almost feels like they're making this hit something less sleek It's almost sure. Yeah. Yeah So that is unrealistic the ui thing how much ram that would take to do Unrealistic, I don't know. I mean if it's apple that made the ui I would believe it took very little because they just make smooth ui's on I mean, there's nothing But this isn't you know, it's probably some android or something Those phones cost close to a thousand dollars, right? So it's very different I mean, it depends because now they're hitting those different price points Because the lowering the price of all the older phones that are pretty much just as good You can go get them for like 500 or something I think it's the lowest price when I saw on their website Which is still really high for a game system that doesn't have a controller or a bigger screen No, no, I understand your point, but yeah, also there's insane margins on those phones So they don't have to be that expensive the margins on the game system usually aren't that great. Oh, yeah I'm not seeing the margins on switch aren't good. I have no idea what the margins are on switch I'm just they're obviously good. They make money They could they could they could sell a lot more systems. They were they were to do a price drop They have well no, no anyways, they haven't because they shouldn't But the market I mean guys, it's a clearly fake market My problem was people that tried to pretend it might be real for the sake of just getting views And and look I'm a content creator So I get part of the game In you got nothing to talk about so let's make Let's just talk about this and make a really enticing title that makes this sound real Um, and look there were some content creators that did that I'm not gonna call anyone specifically out, but there were some content creators that did that even though in the video It specifically said oh, it's obviously fake But the title and thumbnail made it feel like it was real I'm not going to say I've never done anything like that because that would be very hypocritical of me In my six years of doing youtube videos I can say that I've definitely done stuff like that, especially when I was a really dinky creator with less than 20,000 subscribers Um But what I will say is after being a creator for six years I've slowly realized that there are certain lines you just shouldn't cross And I do think even though clickbait is a thing and you're trying to get views If the clickbait is pretending something is something that you factually know it isn't That to me is a problem As an example my title on my video yesterday That I posted late last night total clickbait rumor new new zelda game Um, you know announced later this year or whatever Hey, we don't even know that it's a zelda game, but I also don't know that it's not a game This is different than me being like rumor Potent, you know rumor Here's the first look at switch two But you know it's not Like you just 100 like beyond any doubt it is fake And like that's where That's what really kind of got me today. I mean there may be some people There may be some people who don't know it's fake Um, right because not everyone analyzes thinks the same level we do apparently have to analyze it So it's so obvious. He's got so many examples I mean, I understand.  You don't know what you're doing. It looks legit to you.  So they're just Making a title to get clicks on something they know isn't real It's fine if you want to say hey this the everyone's talking about this this latest mock-up of switch two That might get people going. Why are people talking about it? That's fine But I don't know man And and the thing is I tip a critical for me to say things because I used to do it. I just Man, I don't know And that's I think what pissed me off is just people pretending that it's real just just to give views More so than the person who actually made it. I'm not really that mad at that person. He's just Having fun. I assume He's got talent The the youtube videos, I'm not even sure I have a problem with that. I mean, I I wouldn't do that But if you make clear as long as if you like you make clear what the truth is like You know, I can maybe let it slide, right? But when there's people who Are kind of like intentional gaming was bad That that that one again. I don't I don't like attacking you won't even be like it's fake. It's a rumor I'm like, no, but if he believes it if he believes that that's okay, but I also think that that is Incorrect By the way, I don't really know who cheeto gaming is besides this random person that keeps popping up on youtube or on twitter So no, uh, no no real shade to him. I have no idea Um, he he says on his thing that he's a former realist content creator.  He had to be associated with someone that used to be big Maybe the chat knows if you guys ever heard of under this cheeto gaming guy for another set Because he's he's got a really big following for someone. Why do you follow him? I don't know That's what I'm saying What is going on? Who is this guy? Hey, by the way, um, so his tweet it just says rumor and the title switch to may have leaked but take it with a grain of salt Announced it might be this year with a q1 2024 release. So the second line I have no problem with there is a rumor that it announced it might be this year with a q1 2024 release That is a legitimate rumor, but the first line that switch to may have leaked What has leaked?  It's kind of it's a very confusing message Um, so those who do not and the know Might think that this imagery is a leak that he's saying that has not happened. There has not been a leak Now, you know, sometimes you can call some there are people who call things leaks when it's still a rumor. Um, you know So this that's kind of like a gray area, but there hasn't been any rumored leak there's just I don't know. Do you would you call the the legal stuff that's come out of microsoft and the fctc court case a leak? Because that's kind of the most I would call it. It's just affirmation It's it's information that They know they knew was going to get out. Maybe they didn't want to get out, but it is out, right? It's not an example It's potentially the name of the system is in the documents. It's also redacted. So it doesn't really matter But I was watching your video on that I was like, man, I wish we could just I know I was like, why couldn't this be the sharpie one? Remember when there was a document earlier the case that was sharpied I'm like, oh, why couldn't this be sharp? I even printed the thing off and tried to photocopy it just to make sure I would I the detective work. I wish we could just they actually worked it out I wish we could like do that kind of stuff to find the answer. I would love to find the answer Like it's like there's clear information that the public isn't supposed to know about the next system In those documents and it's just staring at us. Here's Steve singer saying things about the system We are not allowed to see and it's just like but it's right there. It's literally like I see It's Okay. All right. All right.  I I would say I'm still Almost always positive in terms of subscribers whenever I make a switch to video But I also lose more subscribers Than any other video. Yeah, like I see people unsubscribing for this absolutely Like there are people that see that and they're like, oh screw on dress.  Yeah, it's funny because You get the unsubscribed you get the negative comment and my favorite one is when people tell me Nintendo isn't working on anything switch to isn't real and I'm like look it might not be called switch to but here's Here's one evidence. Nintendo in 2021 literally mentioning the next generation system in a financial briefing That's one evidence. Here's another one from another meeting where they say they are working on new hardware Oh, and by the way, here's a bunch of legal documents We're literally it's referenced like a dozen times and it the name of the system's even in the damp I made it If the thing exists, we just don't know when it's coming out I made a switch to video two weeks ago, right and I tried to frame the article of video I think the video was like why people are going crazy about switch to rumors Like I wasn't even so I was trying I try to make the title clear. I was like, hey I'm talking about what other people think I'm not even saying what I think I'm not even saying what's happening I'm saying what other people think like it was trying to try to explain why there's the craziness, right? I think it was relatively well received and I think I had like seven different articles sourced And then there were comments saying there's this is this is fake. There's no news But there were several articles some of which were from a legal case Yeah, like what what does not cat? Well, like at what point is it not news? Like I don't I don't understand Like, you know people have opinions, man Yeah, I think I noticed on Kim one of my videos recently that I did That went over this stuff Um Actually, yeah, I gained like I gained like 50 subscribers off It actually was it was one of my most subscribed videos in a bit And it also dealt with with some of this stuff And I think the difference was that I didn't frame the video necessarily around switch to even though it was clearly about it And then in the video while I the switch to came up On screen this was dealing with the legal documents on screen. I was showing The actual evidence The way like I don't know if you see my videos recently that kind of the new way I do it Where I'm down in the corner and I'm just hey, I'm not just talking here. You go like you claim I started doing that for the Jeff grub Yeah, I started doing that because uh people kept saying that like, you know, if you just throw a screenshot, Bob It's not good enough. I'm like fine Well, you photoshop a screenshot fine. I can photoshop a screenshot. You're right fine You know what? I like the way this other guy's doing some content.  I don't want to hear that. I don't have sources anymore people always say you You're sourcing. I link it in every video, but you know what here you go I hit a button you saw it firsthand Information's not from me. You can mock up. Here you go. You can mock up. You can fake tweets You can fake this but I'm showing you it in real time. It existed You can still do you can you can still You can photoshop and put it behind you with a green screen effect. But yeah, yeah Yes, but but it's much more believable when they're like, oh He's that hit look there's an actual url in there and then he he clearly hits f11 And it goes full screen and he's scrolling down and it is a document Look all of it can be faked, of course, but it just looks much more believable And then obviously I do have an old link down in the description So then if you really don't believe me even though you saw it you could actually go verify all the sources yourself but Yeah, since I started doing that I've started getting a bit less dislikes and a bit a bit less People running away from my videos and unsubscribing. Do you think I've actually used this green screen for more than just hiding wall on a mess behind me There is this is a real image. Look at my hands waving around it. Look what it says. I'm trying to find my I'm touching the image I'm touching it says Microsoft employees expecting to know No, you see my finger 2024 therefore The the competition is gearing up for Nintendo's new system, which means If the competition is preparing it's because they think there's a realistic possibility it could happen Meaning that there are trained professionals who think it could happen. Therefore the conversation is at least worth having Dev kits Dev kits Do not Interesting until we have a even if we have a photo of a dev kit People are so me like well, it's that could be fake and it's true. It could be it could be that people are There's some amazing things that people can fake Yeah, amazing things Yeah, but I mean and I don't know like But I but I do like it now that people are kind of coming around and be like, okay Yeah, the thing exists, but can we get some real news? I'm like, no That's that's up to Nintendo just to be clear There is no real news until Nintendo says something So like Yeah, the news are that it exists the news is there's plans for the news is yeah There's some third parties that are thinking about bringing games to it cool, but What you want something more you want to know what it looks like Yeah, you're not going to know that till Nintendo shows us Unless it somehow does leak like this all the old that which Senses all the old that leak happened You can't rule out that there can't possibly be a manufacturing leak It is yeah theoretically possible because we just had it happen you imagine getting that four months early There's a man who literally came out like at like like the day before New Year's or New Year's or something Like like that was like December 31st. I think we got it And so and that didn't come out until what April And it wasn't announced until like two weeks before right so like We didn't know was real for like three more than three straight months or something Um, which is crazy Yeah, yeah, so can you imagine getting a switch to leaked? Three months ahead of time You know what you know what makes me think I think I think we're gonna know about switch to like I'll know this once we're within about six months of release. They will announce it I will not fall for another beat him up video claiming he has it Early like he did with his although that I will never fall for a video like that again Well, I don't know he he went back if you watched that whole video. He like says oh, I faked it. Oh, no, I didn't oh wait Yes, I did oh wait. No, I didn't he he explained later in the live stream that it was it was entirely faked He never he never had it early And he went through all the details and all the money he spent to actually make this thing come together I thought it was really really it was a very clever idea It blew that's one of his biggest videos in the last year So like it was clearly a really brilliant idea and I don't think it hurt his channel Plus you put the way he's a is it fake is it not fair? like um But I will never fall for that again if he's like, oh, I got the switch too early like literally the day it was announced I mean No, you don't look You'd here's the thing you had an initial video and then later on he had to The reason that um, it was seen as believable also the fact that his initial video didn't really explain that it was fake um was that He was one of the people like me that got the switch OLED early We actually got our hands on it about a week to two weeks before it actually came out so It it it became this believable thing that hey if some content creators got their hands on the switch OLED early Why couldn't the content creator get their hands on this early never mind that when we got our hands on the switch OLED early It was already announced for months I'm not like just announced But then oh but it leaks so maybe you got a I have a friend at a Chinese factory and Blah blah blah and I'm just like sure there's a long convoluted way where he spent millions of dollars to get access to this thing Early, you're correct. I And for a bit.  He's rolling it. It's cool Maybe I'm rolling in it. I don't know. I haven't checked my powerball numbers but I'm sure you will yes right now. She probably texted me. I don't even know where my phone is um But yeah, I don't know guys it That they're just I like talking about the next system because it's so obvious that it's probably coming next year at some point and it isn't that far away it within the next year and a half it's going to be in our hands and We are in Another transition period and this is the first time I've been in a transition period as a youtuber So this is like a really cool time for me I made some videos back on the Wii U days and stuff like that But like I wasn't really taking YouTube seriously until switch came out And this is the first I've never been through a console transition. I don't know what this is like I I'm a tech enthusiast. I'm always excited for what's next I don't know what this is going to be like because this transition is going to be nothing like the week There's something on the Wii U because look the Wii U didn't even exist When you transition I mean just be honest I mean you think about it think about all the popular Nintendo channels today Kind of happened to the switch and so this is It's going to be crazy, man I don't know what this is going to be like, but I'm I'm excited for the ride and You know, you have some content creators that are completely dedicated to just they want to be number one on switch two for everything Maybe that maybe it's a good bet if it's called switch two. It's a very good bet um, but I mean Give example a guy that I've been watching forever a guy. I've been watching him on youtube for like a decade obi one plays I remember him He's still going man He's still doing like a stream every day something's going on with switch two every day with that guy every day There's something switch two and you watch it. He's still exactly the same as he was back then nothing much has really changed And that's fine But it just hyping up. I I just don't know how there's that much to talk about I Look, I'm someone that makes quite a number of switch two videos I I really do like just in general. I know that I do like looking at my most recent content. It's like one two three uh four Five of like my last 15 videos are switch two videos. So it's like one out of every three or so And I don't even know how and honestly if it wasn't for the ftc case Most of those videos wouldn't have even existed Notice I haven't made a video on this mock-up. That's why a lot of the people watch you're like, what what what mock-up? What are you talking exactly? I haven't talked about it because I don't think it's worth talking about I just use I just use parts of it in my thumbnails sometimes and even then You know, you can even look back five days ago. Remember everyone thought this was real Five days ago on my channel nintendo switch two news gets interesting and what what image did I put in there? It's literally the box art mock-up Right, but the thing like you use random mock-ups forever. Yeah. Yeah, like two days before that like or sorry 10 days ago I use the old the old switch pro mock-up with the purple joy cons and like the little dock that fits multiple cartridges in Well, yeah, I use mock-ups all the time. So people didn't think anything of it Because I didn't think anything of it to be honest. I was like, whatever. Here's a new mock-up man We have a new mock-up in forever. Cool. I'll just use this but yeah, it's I don't know man I want them to announce it this year so bad Just so we have tangible things talk about I for those that want tangible yet.  I have no problem with being wrong Um I sometimes I like being wrong. I like being wrong, too Sometimes I'm being skeptical even though it's something I want You know would be nice to be real like I think a lot of people were skeptical I think we created a lot of the skepticism around that zelda olad was when people saw those uh images They're like that's ugly. We don't want it to be real That's a lot of comments like that And um, sorry guys It's very much real. It's very much real. This is this is a real thing here Yeah, I'm sorry Um You know something else we haven't talked about what's that? I don't know how much longer we can touch on it. What is it? I think you may just yeah stream about it, but um the pokemon legends rumor Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I guess it was kind of circulating a week before did you talk about it last and and uh, I I didn't talk about it because I don't Am I knowledgeable enough to really sure sift through this stuff? So, you know what you why don't you? I'm actually glad you're here.  It's a rumor.  I understand every angle to this but basically So There is this leaker and They are a leaker.  It's leak. They they like to put little riddles and little hints and puzzles for us to kind of speculate Over and they're they constantly do this for pokemon and they've been hinting Um content and details about the pokemon games for now the last few years Consistently so basically whenever the riddler says something without a shadow of a doubt is real The only thing is because it's in riddle form. We're not never been wrong He's never been wrong But also we're not because it's a riddle. Is there sometimes conveniently No matter which way you take it. It's right If you pay attention to everything it's very clear He knows what he's talking about and what and once the information is is made clear like oh So that's what he was referring to. Yeah, like like He does that. Um, but it's very clever because it's a way that you can't ever say he's technically leaking because you can't Can shut down because she's not Telling you exactly what it is and it makes it more fun because it's kind of like every time he has something new to say It's a game. It's a speculate. We can it's a puzzle. It's it's it's it's like you're playing detective Yeah, so it's really fun actually And lately the riddler has been talking about the the scarlet and violet dlc But also hinting at what's to come afterwards And he's talked about how there will be a character that may hint at some story stuff that could Kind of translate over to the next pokemon game next year. He put out a a poll asking what kind of Generation five game would we like to see and there are four different options If I remember correctly one of them was um, like a let's go style another was like, um I'm not remembering everything correctly.  So that let's go style um legends or Or paradox, which is just kind of like a a neat, you know Maybe like the opposite of legends like instead of the past it's the future But point is he's hinting at something generation five is coming. Um But when you think about it, uh, and then There's there's other things that make sense because there's a lack of generation five pokemon of the pokedex And typically that does kind of It could be a clue that maybe they're going to have a game that will introduce more generation Five pokemon to kind of fill in the gap kind of like what legends are arceus did So there's been some clues. Um, the riddler's hinting at something generation five Related coming out next year. Uh, so I believe it because of his consistency now the question is what and Legends has been thrown out. He's acknowledged that the poll picked legends, right? He's like, huh? The legend seems to be quite, yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It's quite popular with the community right now Yeah, right. Yeah, so and what's interesting about this is that A legend's game makes a lot of sense for a few different reasons one and next year will not be Or it's it's it's still too early for a new generation. So it's going to be a current generation game But it can't it's not going to be, you know, they this is the dlc So there's definitely going to be a game a game coming out next year for sure They're not going to skip a year. They don't do that if they skip a year to get this dlc So for sure, we're getting a pokemon game next year, but it's not going to be next generation So then what's left maybe a remake of some kind But the thing is about remakes, especially when we talk about generation five We got generation four remakes Not that long ago holiday 2021 And before that it was seven years With generation three remakes in 2014 and before that it's been five year increments So to then expect a three year interval between remakes I'm skeptical of that but to play devil's advocate if they did three years They would be averaging the the remake gaps to five, but it just seems unlikely So then you consider okay. Well, maybe they do a let's go style Which is kind of like a remake by a different direction, right? So let me do like let's go jodo or something instead except let's go jodo wouldn't be generation five, right? So maybe they could do like let's go Something you know of something like they could do that But if you look at the sales of um pokemon let's go compared to pokemon legends I think you can make a really good strong case that pokemon legends is a is a better idea So sales wise pokemon. Let's go Pikachu and Eevee Total out to about 15.1 million if we round to the nearest tenth right of a million But um legends arceus is at 14.8 Pokemon let's go came out holiday 2018 Pokemon arceus came out In the beginning of 2022 It was just one game. It was not given a a a dedicated holiday season It was cut off immediately in terms of attention because of um pokemon scarlet and violet And yet despite all that and it having less time it's right under it And people love it people love it. It's actually the highest rated pokemon mainline pokemon game on switch And if you also fact during that let's go was actually the first hd pokemon games And it was based on kanto Those things probably bolstered sales a lot to 15 million if they were doing another let's go game With it not being kanto and it not and it not having the advantage of being the first hd pokemon game It'll probably perform less But but a legends game if it's given a year of marketing Right if it's given a holiday season if it's treated like the big game release Yeah, it doesn't have btsp right before it and scramble right after exactly So it would have a huge chance to probably exceed 15 million. Well, I know let's go game most likely will be under 15 million So what makes more sense a legends game or a let's go game? We know how business-oriented pokemon company is So you could argue that let's go game would be less a resource intensive Which might make up for the fact that it won't sell as much But a legitimate case can be made that a pokemon legends game based off You know a generation five Is coming out next year I mean you look at the sales you also look at obviously all the hints and the rumors here You glance at things like you know critical reception It's what the highest reviewed and the highest user score Like it is literally Like everyone said oh, yeah the visuals aren't the greatest but everything else is They nailed it. They nailed it. They nailed it. They nailed it. They love it Legends is Right now like the while it's not selling scarlet and violet type stuff a new gen it is One of the most highly respected I think of all the pokemon games that have come out During the switch era. It just makes a lot of sense to to come right back Drop another one with another popular You know game tied to it somehow. I don't know if they're going back to the past I don't know the world in the future that's for them to worry about what they're doing with it But you tie it to you know what's being hinted at you know black and white you know But all the stuff I I think that it could end up I mean you give it a full cycle you get a full like nine months full year whatever whenever they decide to announce it Uh to advertise that you push it as a big holiday game I mean Also switch just coming out next year and it'll be on both probably it'll probably be on both Yeah, I mean it could be combined Combined between both systems if there's a separate specific version for the next one It's not just the same cartridge for both, but we don't know but if there is a separate version It would probably just be like oh, it's higher resolution or higher frame rate or something um I mean you could be talking about a 20 million seller I think I think it's got as long as they're bringing it on both Which clearly what the pokemon company doesn't like abandoning I I mean, I have a I think it would probably do better than let that mean like I don't think it I don't know think it'll top whatever scottland violet ends up at but I think probably not that but if as an in between Generation and a single game release pop it off at 20 and if it hits the critical reception again Everyone loves it again. I'm like So another interesting there's another interesting detail. Um, I'm trying to remember his name. I think it's is it ingo There is a A yunova black and white character that's in legends arceus He's like the only other character that was like warped from another world for another time into the game besides yourself and If you look at the the the history of pokemon games, they always have some sort of subtle detail That's alluding to whatever's next. Yeah So that might be it. I might be misremembering his name But it's the guy who was the captain or the uh, the train conductor for the battle subway in gen in gen five so It's weird that he's there So and there's a huge part of me that just wants this to be real because let's just be honest I'm so very scared. I'm very scared that legends is a one-off and it better not be But it it's it's said to not be though. It's set up not to be it's just they could have just called it pokemon arceus But they didn't they call them pokemon legends Legends arceus setting it up to be a series of pokemon games. Yeah, but granted legends sound school So it's a very cool name too. I like the name. It's very Yeah, I I really hope that this is real obviously there's Several hints. We'll we'll have to wait and see obviously as we get closer to reveal You know, there'll be four more hints dropped, but The and so there's something else about this that some people may be like Well, if they do this they also have to give us a remake I don't think they do I think, you know, there's there's there's a kind of a scenario where It's not going to be called pokemon legends. You know, right? That's gonna it would be called pokemon legends q-rim Yeah, it would be based off like the the ancient dragon Actually, I was speaking to some people in the comments for my video on this That the idea was thrown out that maybe they could go back to medieval era That would be a sweet era gen five has a lot though their legendaries are all dragons That would be that would be sick. See that's that might make it my favorite pokemon game of all time and pass the era they go with It would be super cool I'd be all in on that That would be sick. Yeah Now the flip side is it may be because like the scott and via has I never get excited for pokemon But I was stoked for our season and it paid off Yeah the interesting thing about um That this like another consideration is that um scholar and violet has this motif of like past and future And legends came out right before and that's obviously past The the idea the reason why paradox you know that has been thrown out these paradoxes are first like the paradox pokemon that are from different times It's because Like maybe maybe they instead of going to the past to go into the future And what's interesting about that? Um is that well one they would be kind of completing them like the motif of past and future But also you know va is based off from not mistaken Like it's based off the united states, but specifically new york hence why they have the the buildings and the bridges Can you imagine like if they were to kind of go more in that direction where it's like a very futuristic world that you explore That'll be a totally different direction Um I i'm gonna say that's not what's happening because Then you don't call it legends probably doesn't fit with the legends right like either maybe you call it Legends feels like it's something from a long time ago right pokemon prophecy might be like a nice Contrast to that That's a nice name. Sorry. That's just a really nice thing.  I've been more into it recently Mostly thanks to rcs and I you know I I had my moments of enjoying scarlet and violet I think scarlet invites a good game. It just has a lot of performance problems Yeah, and I used I used to I don't care. I don't care and then I don't know man The more and more I played of it the more and more I started running into the problem It does feel incomplete though because you can't go inside any of the houses in the town Yeah, yeah, there's games. Yeah, like if you That's the thing about scarlet and violet um is The the setting aside all the bugs.  Absolutely Sucks should not have released in that state and certainly by now should have had a patch to fix some of it and it hasn't But I will say that setting all that aside There are just some things about it that sort of still felt like it was incomplete And that's the one thing that you can't go inside all the houses or Even most of them to be honest you can't go inside anything that's not like not a shop basically Um and it's it's kind of it's weird It's weird because you could do that in prior games and I could do it in arceus. I know it was only one Town basically, but there were a couple hidden villages to have a tent Um, it's not a significant, but no, right?  I just I don't I I think to me it's like the contrast of arceus pretty much not buggy Yeah, people didn't think the visuals were that impressive then people loved gameplay Felt like pokemon yet something new and fresh Gameplay Look, look it wouldn't I I still like I mean, this is a really opposite letter gameplay is also really good. Yeah, there are different types of gameplay I still prefer legends But I will say for the way the mainline games have been I enjoy the scarlet and violet gameplay more than I had prior pokemon games um, I still I mean catching pokemon to me is still my favorite thing that like arceus just has that hands down to me compared to scarlet and violet But it is better in scarlet and violet to me than it has been in the past In some instances when it's not glitching it's a little I don't want to get it Some of the things that we've all edited don't need to be the dead horse. We all know the things that Happen in that game sometimes. Yeah um, but yeah, it's I don't know. Uh, just something something about that game felt like It to me the big contrast was scarlet and violet is pretty good If you get past the glitches and you ignore some of the things that feel a little bit incomplete But the problem is we just got that game off of arceus that felt like nothing was incomplete And it didn't have any of these bugs And you go from that to that it was just like a big contrast In polish, I guess maybe that's the way to put it polish and attention to detail maybe I I do wish I mean And I know So it's like really hard to come every time we talk about pokemon this comes up, right? Like I think I think they should have four year gaps between generations. Um, you know, I don't want to Make games. Yeah, I mean we agree. We we agree. I just don't want to beat a dead horse because I feel like it's not Any pokemon fan disagree. I think they all would like to see fully polished fleshed out games every time Yeah, I will but I will say this still about legends game because I know as we talk about this legends game Some some have the sentiment that we listen. We don't want them to rush out another game, but they're going to Oh, it's gonna happen. Oh, it's gonna happen because everybody keeps buying them the only way look Look the only thing I think I could think of if it wasn't legends and again The the the rumors are really hinting towards that anyways What have been if they rushed out another btsp situation and I with that other if it's another team working on it Yeah, it would be that same team because it's sold well enough Three year gap for another. Yeah, that actually would be like they could do that Uh, I kind of hope they don't I really don't like I I but I could see why they might justify it because it probably was a very small investment for them for a Pretty big return. Yes, then business wise it makes sense. I just I don't well legends I mean, who knows may here's the thing They already made legends. So if they're just using the same engines and the same graphics anyways Theories shouldn't have any of the bugs also by making dlc this year That's not as much of a development load as a whole game And also they're pushing out the dlc a bit. I don't know if you guys have noticed It's more spaced out The sword and shields dlc was a wave one was summer wave two was holiday Now wave one is holiday and wave two sometime early next year So they've given themselves more time with this dlc And a legend's game which might be made by the second team, you know, we'll likely have had And by time it would come out if it comes up say holiday, right kind of spacing it a little bit after the dlc Like that would be three years since arceus and it's not like arceus is like a huge game Yeah Not quite it would be it would be three. It'll be two years and three quarters. But it's close Yeah, or two actually probably we don't know how you took to make the first one. Sure It'll probably two years and 10 months which rounds up to near three. Um, I I think consider I I don't think that's I my point is is that There's reason to think that let that a legends curem Would probably be about as good if not a little bit better and more polished and let than legends arceus. Absolutely. So All right, probably won't be perfect though. Yeah I I I predict there will still be issues. There will still be complaints, but I think it'll be a little bit It won't be as bad I'll say this I I'm gonna give a massive benefit of the doubt at the next one is a legends game They know it's just because the last one gave me faith and maybe that's my problem Just because they got faith for me. I shouldn't give them faith because they'll use and abuse it but They made a good game super stoked my biggest thing now with like oh ones whenever they do the next generation game or whatever The next game in the scarlet and violent engine.  That's the last my day one sales Even though I I I enjoy scarlet might they lost my day one sale the next game in that engine until they proved to me They I'm not excited for the dlc like I saw a dlc. It looks good, but the way I I don't even know how to buy it Right now We'll see I'm gonna wait till it comes out. I obviously I keep waiting for a performance patch And I know it wasn't I'm a bigger pokemon fan than you and I'm still not sure I'll probably buy it, but it depends on timing. Yeah. Yeah. There's something else comes out too I don't want to play instead. Yeah like metro prime for um If we're talking about wave 2 if they come out like for for march. Yeah, probably but even like I'm already going I'm like, well, you know mario wonder and mario rpg all the yields from time for me So like that'll give me through the holidays. Those are higher up on mine. Yeah, those will give me through the holidays easy So, yeah, I'm gonna skip detective Pikachu and warrior wear probably, but I am not the mart I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait for reviews. I'm detective Pikachu to see because I really like the first one Yeah, I'm gonna see what reviews say of it.  But visually it just I mean, look anything that hasn't been like new pokemon snap visually hasn't been great Pokin tournament's pretty sick. Okay. Yeah, we're talking about games that are made by third party companies that care Yeah, like know how to make good-looking games basically Gamefreak still like I don't even I I'm not even convinced that that scarlet violent engine isn't another modification of the 3ds engine at this point I'm just not I don't know Um, I again, I don't know Maybe the details are out there what engine it is now, but I want to see a pokemon stadium game Like some I would love that so much Or at least just the mini games. Give me the yeah, that's what I'm saying Like you can have the stadium and have the big thing where you become the champion Also the mini games the mini games are so great They're so great pokemon party. I'll do it. I'll buy it Oh Why they need why hasn't that been a thing yet? Come on. You try it amiibo festival. You can give us a pokemon party game like the mario party series. Come on Oh, man, dude. I just want I just want an updated version of ekans ring toss With all my online friends that works, you know pokemon stadium one and two remake actually would be crazy good Yeah, even just remake it Yeah, because like when we were doing it during prime gaming fast students, we noticed that like, okay The controls are a little finicky touchy with today's controllers Now, maybe it's better if we would have actually had the n64 ones that we made So maybe that would have fixed it, but just using the pro they were really touchy compared to what the controls used to be Like you you barely pull the right stick back to lawn check-ins and that that he just Just sucks it all the way across the map. I'm like, am I only moved the stick like I can't even tell I moved it Yeah, but you know, that's the way sometimes it goes when you're emulating and bringing in all games sometimes It doesn't really work perfect. It is what it is switch. Why no, it's the best system of all time what Excluding the switch. Why no, it's the best system of all time The switch excluding the switch excluding the switch. Do you want to know what's the best system of all time? I know what the best system of all time is excluding switch, but you tell me what's your Yeah, this is obviously opinion. So no, it's not it's not it's not it's fact We're not talking about the sales. We're talking about Okay, all right, we got to say at the same time We're gonna be disagree so ready One one two three go on go. Okay one two three go nintendo super nintendo You're you're wrong No, I mean, that's pretty good choice. It's pretty good choice. I would say it's hard to knock super nintendo It's pretty very hard to knock super nintendo. That's a very good era of gaming I just thought of it because I was just thinking about how like we were talking about the pokemon stadium games And I was like, um, man, I remember like single player pokemon games outside Like legend is really good, but then I was thinking you know, I was thinking about oh, well, there was pokemon Colosseum and pokemon uh Gala darkness Like those are really good pokemon games on the game He was like, well, so if you had two really good single player pokemon games Absolutely, but then also to pick them one and two And metro frame one and two and moomaker and twilight and resident evil four the original and resident evil zero and louis just mentioned And eternal darkness and mario sunshine Gamecube is one of those. It doesn't have a very big library. The problem is every games of anger There's it doesn't have a big library, but they're all good So many games so many games odama bet and kaitos one two Two before I don't disagree game A lot of a lot of good a lot of games that were on dream cast that were brought over to switch I almost wanted to troll them and go comment or 64 I just like 64 the neo geo. I I only I wouldn't I wouldn't even Know what I know. I should have one for the game.  You want try me right now game boy color Would have because I can go all the way back to the og game boy. Game boy color would have been an effective troll because You would have enough material to make an argument But I would still strongly disagree super nintendo It kind of just comes down to what your preference is because super nintendo Is like the opinion epitome of 2d gaming hangers.  It's got all of them. You like rpgs. It has all of them. Oh, yeah, I mean from rpg like It means got chrono trigger, right? Like we're just all the final fantasies So think of it like this the big three the big three, right? Um, it's got super mario world It's got linked to the past. It's got super metroid And all three of those games are like the greatest games of all time for for large audiences. Yeah, that's crazy Super nintendo is with my favorite system until switch Gamecube is First 3d. I've always loved gamecube on nintendo with star fox. I've always loved gamecube I don't know that I could have reported ahead of the n64 But it's there There's an argument to be had the gamecube better I Can listen on an argument. I mean, I also I think gamecube is better Like that's why that's obviously obviously I enjoy games on n64 a bit more than the ones on gamecube Sure, but we're not arguing. It's we're we're arguing gamecube versus super nintendo. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah, that's why I was here's here's one thing you can concede to me that super nintendo That's a pretty legit than one to say I can understand the argument I mean you got earthbound like there's if you just think about like the rpgs If you're an rpg fan, you can just get lost For years on super nintendo, right? but like I think like gamecube like let's think of it like this if we had the entire library Of super nintendo and all the peripherals needed and the entire library of gamecube all the peripherals needed And there is a apocalypse where you had to be locked in a underground facility for a few years with a few people You have all the food and stuff you need but you can only pick one for entertainment one entertainment system, right? I would pick gamecube why Well, there's a lot of reasons why because I think the library is better personally But I am biased right because but I was born in the early 90s. I didn't really play that much super nintendo, right? Because I was a baby um but Gamecube that was when I was growing up like for realsies, but also it has four player games, right? Like it's it's a bet. It's a way better party system Sure, but I mean I'm locked in a basement in a cellar. I don't really have three friends with me If if you're by yourself, I guess I can see where you you can make the argument for super nintendo But if you have at least a few people also if I have four people I'll just take it on 64 No, but Eric look we should have involved Eric in the conversation because I know he's gonna go in 64 And uh, he can give a very strong argument that's right. He'll just start rattling off the games It's just just like you different game. You'd be like, oh, that's a nice list on gamecube. You got here now Let me just show you the superior list and 64 if you can get to like 30 game You can give it like 60 We could do this He's just like we have conkers you're you're out. You're out. We have multiplayer Oh, yeah, well Andrew Kazooie and banjo 2e Okay, star fox adventure mario 64 octane of time star fox assault star fox 64 donkey kong jungle beat dunk kong konga Donkey kong konga too. Yeah, right? Kirby's air ride Kirby's air ride was sweet. Pickman's one and two. Sure Sure We did just establish nobody plays them But we don't also establish they're good games 89 and 90. Yeah. First of all, first of all, it's not like n64 got a lot of sales either No, no, for sure. No, I better than gamecube better than gamecube. Yes, better than gamecube.   Yep So a second a second mark our double dash at zero gx Mario Kart 64 and diddy kong racing. What are we? What are we? At zero x by the way, we have enough zero game. Yeah, but as your jax is better rock squadron Star Wars. Oh, yeah, Star Wars work squadron. That's right wave race to wave race 64 Gamecube have ropes wave race 64 with the og paper mario back in the day, of course a thousand year door Thousand year door. I get it. I get it. By the way, by the way I'll give it an odd by the way If you you can bring up octree time and draw his mask But there is this such a thing as the the special collectors Version on gamecube. Yeah, but not everyone can get that It was very limited if we're talking about the hypotheticals where we have the libraries by the way by them individually By the way, I had it. I had two had it so people had it right it would exist it That's fine. It's still better. So it's still better with the n64 controller. So i'm good I know you had the master mode the master that was pretty cool. I mean gold gold nine perfect dark golden eye Perfect dark. You had the good mario mario golf. We also had pokemon snap the og great pokemon puzzle league was really great Yeah Can't forget those stadium good games Yes stadium we did a stadium I know coliseum so a stadium like Can't deny stadiums. It's got a good mario tennis and golf. What the actual good mario tennis and golf for sure Yeah, yeah, we have the good. We have some good sports games Oh, tony hawk pro skater two we had that too time splitter Time splitter is good time splitter is good There were tony hawk games on gamecube as well See i'm gonna say super smash rolls but that's because I like it more than melee and I know that's sacrilege to many I mean I like break the target baby break the target wasn't in melee I love break the target for one of my favorite modes in smash But I know doom 64 Animal crossing and this animal this animal crossing had classic Nintendo games built in Okay Star Wars episode one racer That was a pod racer was the awesome. What are you talking about on my switch and I think that's on switch You got to play back in the day. We have better games today. Come on Mario strikers. That's a good one Yeah, my strikers 1080 snowboarding I mean you don't even get me starting on snowboard kids. Isn't that also on gamecube I have no idea what it was started. It was on n64 first. I don't care if it was on gamecube Yeah, conquer the bad fur days also on xbox. What's your point? We had the better online. No, it's not the better multiplayer No, the single player is fine blocking that out of my mind. No, no the single player is fine. No, you're right Yeah, it's gorgeous. It's just a multiplayer.  I'm just we can keep going. We can keep going. It doesn't end. We're at the You brought up Kirby. I totally forgot about Kirby 64 in the crystal shard. I'm just saying great game. It's a great game it is It is like we can just keep going. You're like 30 games. I'm already like 50 games deep over here I can just keep going. We have to actually you know what we have to do We have to do a stream where we just list off the games And like like like a like a google doc so people can see we just kind of like Point for point I think that would be a that's like that's a good stream idea Like it could it could just literally be like gamecube versus m64 and just We talk about each game Yeah, there's so I'm literally just go we had to send in punishment It said the punishment was great Was it yes Can't forget we still had Mortal Kombat back then Full trilogy by the way, there were fighting games on gamecube But also legends so caliber two is the best fighting game. So don't go dude. So It was awesome. So park back.  Wcw vs. w o revenge. Yeah wrestling games on gamecube two Okay, but I'll see you listen. I'm so it's clearly not part of your argument of enjoyment Well, I mean there is I'm I'm telling you games. I actually played and enjoyed Okay, well, I'm literally skipping games. I didn't play That that I'm seeing on this like there's like like this aiding chronic. I don't know MBA street volume three with the mario characters Yeah What are you not in your head for It wasn't a good game.  You say that's not a good game spy hunter. I enjoyed that. I'm bringing up not I'm bringing up games. I do even enjoy those games that you're listening right now I had them in my gamecube and I enjoyed them. Yes. Okay, at least you can okay shadowgate 64 I don't know what that is. Oh Oh my It's one of the greatest Okay, I'm leaving alone. It's a top 10 rpg all time.  I don't get 64. Yeah, I don't know what this is trial the four tower I've never I guess Uh, I didn't really play killer instincts. Oh my god, bro killer instinct though.   I think gamecube. I'm like, oh man. It's almost a wee But it's just not Was there another curry game on game ogre battle 64 Raymond too the great escape that was great. That was a good one Blast corpse Hell yeah tank action, baby. Oh we had harvest moon 64. I forgot about harvest moon Some both I don't know it has 64 in the name It's a man 64 automatically better if it has to number 64 in the title We have a bunch of mario party games. I know so the gamecube mario party is always a bunch of party games and everything So that's all personal preference. I wish we didn't like more. We had the last excitement with seven 64 mario baseball Hmm The mario sports titles are Well done. Oh, do we make a man 64? I forgot about that Yeah, there's something pretty good Pilot win 64 by the way It's a good one. Yeah, we had resident evil two by the way. I know you had four Two's pretty good. Yeah, but we got resident evil four and zero We also have castlevania legacy of darkness by the way Just one of one of the best castlevanians of all time that I bring up the Metal gear remakes Not that. No, you didn't this is the first time There you go. That's a big deal. That's a big deal I never played p.m. Yeah, I actually like that get mission impossible expect the impossible It's a ridiculous name, but it actually is a pretty good game Oh, we had duke duke 64. I forgot about that duke duke duke I think I think uh, we should probably Dude, I can keep going all night at this baby. This is nothing you're looking at a list I'm just saying stuff off the top of my head I'm looking at a list because we just established before I played through games one. Alicia gank you ddr mario I played through games once, you know, so like I don't replay so they don't always stick I gotta be remind to be like, oh, what was that game? You can eric and I do this all the time. What was that game never just sitting here?  What is it? What is it? Oh wave race bluestorm Yeah, 64 is better Look at him. He's like It's really better if it has the number 64 That's what it felt like back then any game that had 64 in it quest 64 and I was standing Oh elusive man with beautiful joe. There's beautiful joe one and two. Oh killer seven Yeah, killer seven's good Yeah, I mean Look, we have conkers after that and you got no rare games So you mean that's not true with star fox adventures. That's it though And it's not as good as it's not as good as star fox 64 Or it's also star fox assault, which is tremendously underrated. Yeah, really good multiplayer game. I will say it is underrated. That's for sure Yeah The holy magic sentry. Oh, that was a good game. That was a really good rpg That was a really good rpg bomber man 64 So we're going to rock back to rock was actually good super monkey ball one and two So jet force gem and I Yeah, that's that's a that's a stinger. Yeah, I knew that was going to be a stinger. I'm like gem Yeah, that's that's a real if you guys haven't played jet force gem and I you guys got to find a way to play. That's awesome It's really good Well, I mean you mentioned let's just talk about the big hitters here for a moment When waker in twilight princess I believe you Like more than offering a time in major's mask No, major's mask is literally like my number three game of all time So major's mask makes up for the fact. Well, first off Occurring a time in major's mask are also on gamecube right So sure, but you don't like the control options for those. No, I prefer it in 60 level and let me ask you a question Be honest with me Occurring you get our current time major is mask on in 64 or you get Occurring a time a major is mask the gamecube versions of those and when waker in twilight princess What are you honestly picking? There's no way come on. There's no way you prefer the n64 version major is mask so much That you would not pick the gamecube zelda offerings. Also. We got four swords Um on on the game four swords adventures. Yeah, I know. I'm aware. I played it beat it back in the day when I was good That's another little thing cables had eric over and all the people saying that that's that's how I remember having a birthday party But if you were playing uh We got five zelda game playing gamecube. They're pretty damn good I do have to give look if we're gonna start as you're gonna start being like that I could just talk about how like We hit we have We we have an accessory That allows me to play games from a completely different generation And I can start talking about all the zelda games I have then Oh, you're not aware of some of the accessories available Shall we start listing the accessories that make other games playable from prior nintendo lab worms? That does assist the 64 disk drive allow That or you're talking about something else? You're not talking about the the gameboy transfer pack. Are you? No, not that Uh, what are you talking about? I'm gonna leave it alone. I'm gonna leave it at that But to answer your question you you got the fives all the games. It's hard to deny the the the gamecube um I the gamecube might also have like a really like Rare um peripheral attachment that also allows it to play other games But there's also actually there is a game boy advanced player. There's a game boy advanced player I believe so go for it that that gives you a lot of the super nintendo games. I know but I I love majority of the game We should this has to be its own podcast. We got it. We got it.  Um, the master edition of ocarina time, but also like okay Like the only reason it was interesting is because of the original game Don't they also run a little bit better on the gamecube, too? Like aren't they a little? I I that I have no recollection of like I think I think the rule the only point of context here Is you just don't like the controller? Oh, I love the n64 what was made for the n64 controller, so sure, but I mean you You get over that pretty quick for the sake of being stubborn I'm sticking with major's mask And oh, wait, wait, I guess I'll have another reason this this is where nostalgia comes in You guys know I rank ocarina time outside of my top 10 Zelda games by the way rumble However, if it wasn't for ocarina of time, I wouldn't be a youtuber It is what led me on the path to content creation on the internet Yeah, literally. I made a zelda fansite that led to all of this because of ocarina of time You could have become an ocarina time buying on gamecube though Nope I would have I would have been older and I was a four sport athlete and I was too busy I want to even thought about making websites or doing any of that stuff Literally once if it was the right time in my life I was I was 12. I wasn't busy all the time I don't understand this argument So doggie said asked me if you're going to discard ocarina time of doors mask on n64 Then we'll make her in 12 prints is also have to be discarded on gamecube. No, they don't We're not discarding anything. Oh, I think I think he's I think he's saying because those games are available on other platforms This is probably what he's pointing out. We're comparing n64 versus gamecube Yeah, and he's probably thinking that you shouldn't count n64 games ported over I think is what he's trying to say Yeah Well, I mean like like literally if we only have one system That I know I know that's the thing when it comes to the value of the system Yeah, like it like so the games are there Glover I mean The thing is that your system has But I forgot about shadows of the empire Oh, man, that game was great. Let's just put it this way. You're not going to go wrong either way Well, let me put it this way Anybody that picks a system To take with them Into the depths of hell to just play forever You're going to pick whatever system is your favorite. If I'm honest, it'd be the switch anyways It wouldn't be any of it But we're excluding the switch in the conversation problem is the switch ends the conversation The switch I mean the switch has You say this You gotta remember the caveat of the switch do we have internet we don't have internet then we don't have nso Yeah, there's them Well, the thing is the effect more games you can play too because some like it's platoon really matter if you don't have internet Thing internet's changed a lot a lot of games like Suddenly a lot of values lost without internet Yeah, that is a fantastic point I do believe that you can play the nso games without online. You just have to have the initial connection Yeah, but if you have no internet, there is no connection. Well, I mean assuming you If my switch right now if it's not connected internet, I could play every single game that's loaded onto there Yeah, because you've had a connection But eventually it's going to ask you to reconnect and if you don't have internet you lose access When does it ask that? It's like once a month Because I want to confirm you're still subscribed. I think there's no way I'll be I can go into airplane mode for more than a month To find out how long I mean you could but like if I would you know like just to prove me wrong But it does check. I know that it has a check. Yeah, that is tough Yeah, well the beautiful thing is I don't play nso games enough to know every time I do it's always checking to make sure This is a hypothetical situation that's never going to happen because all right Like if you're are going to create yourself a bunker for a hypo for an apocalyptic scenario And you do want to think about entertainment if you have the resources to set this up The you probably can get more probably all the systems Yeah, right every system and every well, maybe not every game But all the system but you can you can set yourself up so you can have pretty much everything Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, you you I mean that's the thing in in the situation. It's not realistic anyways because you could just get everything It's it's more of like one of those gun pointed the head Which system would you choose?  Yeah, and I'm gonna say part of it And I thought I thought when I said snes my age Like I also thought when I said snes you might go I can actually respect that because snes has I do I do it's it's it's the last time nintendo had full third party support All the games from third parties back then seemed to just be great Yeah, I had a lot of great games super metro Yeah, by the way, I love n64 right that was Yeah, yeah, yeah, you weren't dissing n64. Yeah, right That's probably one of your first systems you probably got into that that I mean technically the first game I remember it's a super nintendo game. Sure the first system. I actually played games on consistent It was probably n64. It was n64. That was my my first personal system. Yeah. Yeah I just think there are more games on game cube That you enjoy that that have aged better That's the other thing like going back to n64 some games are kind of depressing to play That makes any sense You know like Not all of them, but a lot of them. Well, I have a lot of nostalgia for almost every game back then So like it just feels good. Yeah, it just feels right. I was really happy about the the That time crisis Dinosaur hunter to rock Torok the remaster they put on switch. That's actually a really good remaster. Yeah, it's a really good remaster I'm glad they didn't mess that up.  Yeah, it's something like super crazy. It still looks like it. It looks it's nice Um, just there's a lot of people um In the chat correction nintendo had all the japanese third party support they uh on snes They had a lot of western third party support too back on snes It just so happened that a lot of games were made in japan He actually looked at um the market back then, you know, gotta remember What was snes's number one competitor the genesis? Where do these companies come from japan? Like back then a majority of video games were actually being made from japan So like when you talk about correction had all japanese, there wasn't that many western developers back then There really wasn't because you're like, oh ea. Yeah, it had all the ea games Like It had the western there just wasn't as many being made back then um, but that really changed I want to say Probably during the n64 gamecube ps2 Kind of in that range. We started getting a lot more western studios popping up I just looked up the The the highest rated gamecube games This is a really nice list some games that didn't bring up There's a few quite a few sports games on here um The sports games back in the day were legit quarterback club 98. I should have brought that one up All the core all yeah, but quarterback club 98 specifically brett farbrunch a little run to the right Something that didn't bring up that is a really key game. I would say prince of persia It's a good nice That's a good game The original resident evil is also remade and bring it up only brought up zero and four There's actually a few really highly rated tony hawk games on gamecube tony hawks pro skater four and three No, there's several football games that apparently are like extremely high rated which mba2k I'm surprised. There's golf games tony hawks underground There's a lot of highly rated sports games. It's kind of blowing my mind. Oh burnout Yeah, because the sports games used to be legit back in bro. You got tom klancy splinter skill burnout two I didn't I only brought up mba volume a street volume three, which is a rated 88. I'm metacritic by the way You were throwing some flak at that. That's pretty high Um, do I know it's higher than volume three mba street volume two Right above it I brought up time splitters but time splitters too is that this is specific when I meant I mean time I mean you want to talk about high rated. I mean, we have, you know, ocarina of time in the 99 Perfect dark of the 97. Isn't ocarita about a 98 99 i'm metacritic What? It's the highest rated game of all time. I'm right. Yeah, I thought it was a 98. No, it's 99 I'm the only 99 in metacritic history For I for my I don't know why I don't know if this like revisionist history or my my brain's like because I always thought it was A 98 98 already almost one o'clock for you too Yeah, that'll do it I'm I'm just curious now. I'm bringing up the gamecube list as well Because I want to I want to see them side by side just review wise um Smaller sympathizer reviews back in the n64. Well, yeah, small sympathizing gamecube compared to today too Right, but yeah, like like the top one's what metroid prime We have ocarita time two points higher perfect dark. This is number two and 97 Resident Evil 4 and 96 what list are you looking at? I'm looking at the uh I'm on metacritic. Yeah, I'm on metacritic Perfect. Oh, the perfect dark is the game game. I was I was thinking of eternal darkness. I was like, yeah, perfect dark 97 By the way I didn't bring up beyond 64 I mean, do we do you even want to bring up the the mario game on gamecube? Do you even try to compare mario sunshine is try to compare mario 64 is great Yeah, yeah, everyone knows that Uh paper mario 93. Oh tales of symphonia Is paper mario is oh What's thousand-year door rated?  I'm just other games. Wow thousand-year door Where is that to see star online fire emblem path of radiance ekeruga? Oh, come on Yeah, by the way, there's there's more than one prince of persia game on switch skies of arcadia There's more than one banjo kazooie game by the way on the 64. Yeah, it's called both of them There's there's there's more there's just we just try not to acknowledge the other one hit man another prince of persia There is a harvest moon. Oh custom robo Yeah By the way, um lord the ring the lord of the rings nfl blitz 2000. Oh, yeah. Oh, that was that was the bomb That was the bomb Yeah, forgot about that one. Oh the neruda clash of ninja games. Those were good. It's a good fighting games Oh, but there is a good there's also more to combat deadly alliance. That was a good moral combat game I will say to your point final thanks probably large today's sports games number 37 on the uh game on the game cube This is a 80 overall and number 37 on uh, sorry 37 on n64 is 80 Overall and 37 on game cube is 88 So just pointing out you have more higher rated games I'm already on 143 and we're still at the 78s on game Yeah, you're 143. Let me go down 143 is luigi's mansion. Yeah. No, it it drops down. I'm on n64 right around 50 51 oh harry potter the chamber secrets There's a lot of um There's like how many how many reviews are you even on? Yeah, like like a Sunshines Mario 64 Oh Beach spikers virtual beach volleyball Here we go. Here we go I will I got a warrior wear warrior wear was warrior wear was on game cube. All right Sunshine is better than n64 change your mind Uh, I'm not going to try to change your mind because look there I I liken the mario 64 to sunshine comparison to the Zelda one to zelda two comparison They are so completely different in so many ways That if you really love sunshine, there's no way to convince you that mario 64 is better Because it's just the things it does doesn't happen in 64 Now is it widely is 64 widely considered the better game? Yeah, and just like for zelda zelda one is widely considered better than zelda two But like me, I'm like the black sheet. I love zelda two It's my second favorite zelda game or now third favorite zelda game of all time Actually, I got to move it down against majority mass like this is for now. I forgot that cheers to the kingdom Is now on the list. So cheers to the kingdom breath of the wild zelda two then majority mask Feels weird feels weird like zelda two that much that's interesting. I love zelda two But that's the thing I won't be able to change your mind but not to 712 because you Obviously if you love sunshine like there's there's people that swear by sunshine. You'll never win an argument with them Well, what I mean, I love sunshine. I love sunshine, but uh, mario 64 has more levels Sure But it's basically if you love if you love the mechanics in in sunshine, I mean it's I look the water actually like sunshine. I just yeah, I like mario 64 better but Sunshine what what makes sunshine so good is is how different it is and for some people that different That's just a weird different for them. So you know how like I think behind it I think it'd be a great if you know island just isn't enough You know that they don't like a lot of people don't like the way that the spray Mechanics work. It's just people don't like the blue coins.  Well, I don't like the size. I love it It's just I just want to point out that while it may be the case that we've run extra long because I was a fool for bringing up game cuban 64 Yeah It's it's what it's been we've been on for four hours and yeah over a hundred people watching. Yeah, it's crazy. That is Thank you to everybody Yeah, thanks for being here guys Be sure that you guys do come next week too because next week is the biggest podcast I've ever put together Just with the sheer number of people and everything I got to manage Because it's rare that we have to talk about a zelda game Post zelda game like it. We just don't get zelda game releases that often anymore Uh breath of the wild back when we did we did a podcast reaction to that that was just me and eric back in those days So I've never actually Done a spoiler cast with a huge bunch of people. So I'm really I'm kind of excited for and I'm also kind of nervous But it's going to be a lot of fun It's going to be a lot of fun as I'm pulling every favor. I can't I don't have to pull it her I just say hey spoiler cast. I'm like, I'm there What wait, when is it? The last thing when it is later Uh, but yeah, I hope you guys come in for that one if Obviously only if you're okay with other things means well, there's going to be so much talked about on that show Um, you know dlc potential Uh things like um timeline implications And so much more like I don't even I can't even tell you where the conversation is going to go because I'm just going to give myself like a Set of little guidelines to get it going and I just have a feeling just like tonight It's just going to kind of go Because everyone's got so many thoughts. It's just going to go I don't want to be here. So But thank you guys so much for being here uh staying this late. Thank you so much for this It's also like the most amount of super chat revenue. We've ever had on a podcast before so Uh, thank you so much for that as well the 2998 and uh one new member we got tonight. Thank you guys for that You can catch our podcast ever podcast I heard otherwise go subscribe to andress restart man Go subscribe to the man. He's he's he's that close to getting up to 30k. So let's Let's do it. Thank you. Yeah, it might happen soon Yeah, might have been very I'm glad to see you still growing while I'm shrinking As I said losing subs is my game Someday you'll go up and I'll and I'll I'll I'll meet you on the way now. Yeah, I'll meet you at 80k That would be so bad if I drop I lost it There's no way I don't even think that's like possible I Look, I can slowly bleed subs for a while at my current rate It would take about two years, but I'll be up back under 100k in two years It's not gonna happen, but if it just keeps up in two years, I will be under I'll be under 100k Yeah, looking at the the list of um, we'll we'll bounce work as I'm not worried about it Yeah, we're in a lull once mario gets going. We'll be I'll find I think we're a new channel. We're sick. I think a healthy um, wow, I mean Just looking at the list like maybe you could count if you look at the top 60 games and then 64 versus top 60 games Man, yo, I'm trying to wrap it up.  Oh, I was just gonna say But but also I I when I when I said like I would take n64 over Gamecube it wasn't because gamecube doesn't have more quality games. Of course it does yet There's more than 30 quality games and n64 that really wasn't the point. It was that I've Someone who doesn't replay games. I find n64 games infinitely more replayable And so my top 30 games on that platform. I could just play those forever Where is gex Gex 64 Yeah, I don't know where that is on the list. I enjoyed that game. I don't know if it reviewed well though I didn't care about review. I didn't care about reviews back in those days Yeah, I'm seeing some games that are reviewed poorly on the 64. I'm like, nah, that's no game But that's like we didn't and the thing is they it was reviewed back when there was like four people Reviewing so like yeah, like Yoshi story.   Yeah, that's true There's probably a bunch of games and get it think of the reviews because it was really up to magazines Basically, they had to have enough magazines choose to review it So, yeah, all right guys. Well, that's gonna do it for the podcast that you guys sort of tuning in Uh, you guys are awesome and we'll see you next week for our episode 30 of season two Happens to be a spoiler cast. It's gonna be a lot of fun.  Joycey jay, what if she's saying something? I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. Joycey jay has a margarita recipe. She really wants us to try Okay, I think I think this is the date We're gonna have margaritas on the show by the way We're gonna have margaritas and tacos and I'm just gonna listen I'm gonna we're trying to spread it around and get everyone to get into having some margaritas at least You want to throw tacos in the mix? Cool I'll I'll do tacos. I'll make tacos margaritas and tacos Talking about what's up on zelda. How does it get better? How does it get better margaritas and tacos with deep zelda discussion? I'm in this There you go, Joycey. That's that's at least two people that'll get me in. I know you'll be in Joycey. So that's three Here we go, dude.  I know he'll drink. I'm all worried. He'll he'll he'll he'll roll one up Is it has a lineup in is a lineup h and k will too h and k will definitely do a margarita Is the lineup public yet? I've I've mentioned on live stream.  I'll do it I literally just tell him and he'll do it I don't know why he he just likes him. He likes to participate cat berguson Andres restart joy cj h m k and myself that's the list at the moment With some other people still talking to me behind the scenes to see if they can make it So big smells like brainy bunch. We'll work out the details over the next few days, dude Yeah, I need to know because I gotta go pick I gotta go pick up because her margarita Has more It's not just tequila. So um this outro has been two hours long. I know the record. That's fine for sure All right guys have a good day. Peace out. Good night guys