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He's the head coach of the New York Jets. He's Robert Salah, and he's nice enough to join us here on the Michael K show Brought to you by slowmansandinfinity.com coach Don LaGrecche and Dan Grasso. How are you today? How you guys doing? I've been better. I mean obviously the rain stinks What happened yesterday for jet fans stinks 13 straight years of missing the playoffs I mean that's not all on you. You've only been here three years, but I'm sure you better than anybody can just feel What it's like for jet fans today another year in which you're thinking about next season Yeah, no, it's a it's disappointing. We still got three games left to finish this thing strong and And propel ourselves in the next year, but but yeah, it's yesterday was disappointing So who is your quarterback gonna be coming up on on this weekend against the Washington commanders? You know, I'm I'll be honest. I'm not I have no idea Zach's working through the concussion protocol obviously Trevor Simeon's healthy ready to go and Then we we got ripped in the as a third So we're we're trying to figure out who will be available for us and we'll know more by Wednesday You didn't mention Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, the decision has to be made by Wednesday What what is your anticipation of what Wednesday's gonna bring and will you have another option at quarterback come next weekend? You know, there's still a lot of things that like like I said, it's until I until we get the clearance from the from the doctors My assumption is that he's in rehab I'm really not having any conversations with anyone until that so that doctors know it's my desk. So there We're working as if he's just in rehab Robert yesterday after the game Alan Lazard, you know made some comments to the media and he said that he felt They were outschemed and out-efforted now when you hear a player talk like that after a game like that Do you just think that that's immediate after math of the game? And that's the emotion talking or do you put some stock to one in one of your players says something like that? You're it's always a little bit of both. There's always the emotion of the game and You know, you're you're you're angry in the moment and you make comments in the moment that you may or may not want But at the same time it's warranted When you lose 30 to nothing everybody everybody stinks and Obviously starting starting with me and all the way down. We just we didn't coach it well enough. We didn't play it well enough We didn't execute well enough and It just it wasn't good enough anywhere. So I mean that's what's so frustrating coach is that we talked it up on Friday You know both the Jets and the Giants alive coming off great wins and you know the thing against the Houston, Texas It happened coach you beat the Houston Texans you almost beat the Kansas City Chiefs You beat the Buffalo Bills these things actually happened, but yet no consistency no follow-up Why has it been so almost impossible coach for this team to be able to put a string together of decent football? You know, I've got I've got a longer list of things but you know, obviously regardless of what it is We've got to be better and I've got to be better and but you know, it's An answer that we're all searching for Coach yesterday after the game, I know when you were meeting with the media You made the comments about not being able to do a good enough job up front The offensive line had a rough day of it yesterday anybody that watched the game Is Dwayne Brown healthy enough to go out there and give you some snaps I know that he's active and I know that he's not a hundred percent But you know when you have the line struggling to the extent that it did would Dwayne be able to provide any sort of a lift in that regard I talked with Dwayne Douda daily He's fighting his tail off just to give us what he can give us when he doesn't even have to so I have a genuine appreciation for him and And look if he's dressing on game day, he's giving us what he can and if he can give us more I know he'll always communicate and give us that opportunity to do so but Right now, I know he's giving us everything he's got coach I want to double back to something you said a couple of times during this interview and that you need to do Better can you give us examples on what you feel you need to do better as a head coach? You know just like I said, there's a lot of things that from a head coaching standpoint from scheduling to messaging to checking crossing teeth and dot and eyes with regards to scheme and play design and all that stuff on in all three phases and And obviously when things aren't going good, you're always going to look inward first And so I'm always going to look at myself first. That's a that's a given and to make sure that we're we're going through our coaches protocol with regards to to the to the teaching of concepts to Making sure that like I said schedules and play counts and practice reps and Messaging is all on point. So anytime you're you're not winning And you're not getting the results on the on the process that you're using You're always going to look inward to see what in the process you can change to help you get the results that you want Coach you guys have obviously been one of the better defensive units in the last couple of years And you know this has been something that's been brought up along the way this season in regards to your scheme And I know that the corners don't travel and you've had a lot of success But in hindsight, you know when Tyree kills not in that game yesterday for the dolphins And then you know that Jalen waddle is their number one weapon Was there any thought of maybe finding a way to double him and maybe see if you can switch sauce over to him Even though DJ Reed is very good in his own right, but he ended up being the guy who hurt you the most offensively Was there any chalk of maybe changing things up a little bit there? We did in the second half to change up some of our coverages, but But we you know, it's not stubbornness, you know, it's Usually teams who match players are playing man coverage There's very few teams that match players and then play zone a lot to ask out of a player There are teams that do that. It's just not part of our philosophy and again It's not being stubborn. It's it's trying to put yourself in a player's shoes to put them in to be successful We've got a ton of faith in DJ. I think DJ is one of the better corners in football and And so I'll still always put DJ up against anybody and You know, it's and and I know DJ expects to win But but at the same time we we could have done things better in the first half as a defensive staff and from a from a schematic standpoint and felt like we did make the necessary adjustments in the second half they scored six points just it still wasn't good enough, but It's it's definitely something that we need to be better at All right, so you said there's still reason obviously to play because you want to get better. You said you want to finish strong What what would that look like to us Robert? I mean because you've got you've got a winnable game against the commanders who are struggling this year Cleveland My god, I can't even explain what Joe Flacco is doing right now and Cleveland I just I'm just shocked 212 yards, you know in the fourth quarter and then the last game against New England So other than just wins and losses, you know, what what will it look like for the average fan that that you're moving in the right direction You know just just guys going out there and fighting, you know We're on the results or in that business though if we win it guys didn't quit if you lose it, you know it's whatever the narrative is for that day, but The way we approach the week, there's gonna be a lot of things that you guys don't see The way we approach meetings the way approach Practice the way we communicate with one another the way we interact with one another You know just seeing a complete buy-in from everybody That's that's really what we're looking for and and obviously we'll take it to game day and put out our best performance possible Because at the end of the day the the idea that I've never subscribed to the idea that players quit, you know They understand that when they when they step inside on the field and they're and their their play is being videotaped So they're in game day and they're being taped.  Do you do you feel like you're you're coaching for your job the next three weeks? No, I'm like I said, you know, I've said it before I'm just trying to coach to find a way to beat the Washington commanders It's been kind of a running theme all year with the personal foul penalties With the quarterbacks and talking about the opposing quarterbacks versus your own quarterbacks And it just doesn't seem like the Jets are getting the benefit of the doubt with those calls And in yesterday Zach ends up getting injured leaving the game and on that play where he fumbles the ball Look like Bradley Chubb, you know put his full body weight on top of Zach Which is against the rules now in the NFL and then there was even a play later on in the first half to where Some defender made a glancing blow and it got Zach in the helmet where in some cases they're gonna throw a flag on that play Did you guys get any follow-up from the NFL on either one of those two calls yesterday? I? We've sent all those in we usually don't get communication until Thursday All right, so just to reboot the quarterback situation you say so if Zach clears protocol He's your starting quarterback against the commanders correct and You said you don't you won't know until he's cleared what the Aaron Rodgers situation is I know you don't deal in hypotheticals. We've dealt with each other long enough for me to be able to know that but Wednesday You're gonna get whether he's cleared or not. So what what is the your anticipation if he's ready to go What does that conversation look like Aaron Rodgers moving forward if he is cleared by the doctors to be able to play? You know, I I'll tell you this but and it's I don't think I'm really saying any secrets anyone I know Aaron has been fighting his tail off to get back. He wants to play He's willing to play even if he's not even a hundred percent and and he is he is fighting like mad to get onto the football field and And like I said when we get that doctors not we'll have that discussion But but I do know so I will speak for him and that his desire to play is High But Robert along those lines and again, it's a hypothetical possibly But do you think that Aaron at this stage of not playing football for three months and your most mobile and elusive? Quarterback couldn't finish the game yesterday. Can Aaron go out there and protect himself behind this offensive line right now? Shoot is is a whole family. I'm sure he'd be able to figure it out. I'm just I'm gonna give it a shot What do you want to say? Do you want to see him play this year? look, you know what it's I Think it's extremely unfortunate with everything that transpired and we can deal with hypotheticals We can deal about the future. We can deal with what could have been but but honestly Whoever's available on Sunday or really Wednesday is who we're gonna coach our tails off for and And we're gonna do everything we can to try to win a football game. Good luck coach. We'll talk to you next week Thank you. Thanks coach. All right. That's Robert Sala.  He just won't do it You know Wednesday, we're gonna get definitive word on whether he is active to play or done Or is it a situation like I brought up, you know, for example like with Dwayne Brown They activated Dwayne Brown, but he's still not starting. He comes in every so often So do you activate Rogers and then he's just kind of a right? But then that's when that's why I asked him you've come Wednesday You may find out you have another alternative and he said well, we'll find out when when that day comes So, you know, he doesn't want to answer it doesn't want to deal in the hypothetical But the hypothetical is gonna become reality. He may be cleared to play on Wednesday. Don't have to start him But he'll either be inactive or active for the rest of the season So it'll then become who's decision Woody's decision Aaron's decision Joe solace Salas Robert Salas decision.  No the remainder of 2023 And that's the problem and that's the problem. That's why I asked him What's best for the Jets? What does he want to see happen because I could I could get I don't know if anything is good for the Jets to Have Aaron Rodgers start other than maybe just making the game this weekend a little bit more interesting But does it help it doesn't help Aaron to go out there and possibly get hurt with a dysfunctional offensive line in a meaningless game The only thing it helps is Aaron Rodgers and everything he's done to get back on the field And I think that's probably worth something to him, but for the Jets Just just to get out of dodge, maybe evaluate Wilson The little bit more maybe get something down on film where you could possibly trade him or make a decision down the road That's what's best for the Jets Well from a box office standpoint, too, and I know it's only one game But look it's Christmas Eve on Sunday You're gonna have two teams both eliminated from playoff contention If you are even a fringe football fan or a fringe jet fan and you're thinking about maybe going to that game on Sunday If you find out Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback versus let's say Trevor Simeon or anybody else Will you be maybe a little bit more inclined to trek out to MetLife Stadium and go to the game? That's what's scary because I'm sure Woody Johnson would say yeah, I want him to start Let's make this meaningless game with 20,000 people in the building something meaningful with 80,000 people and getting attention But I don't know if Robert Salo wants that I'm not gonna lie to you. I mean going to do We do Sunday, of course, it'll be more exciting having Aaron Rodgers playing However, if I take a step back from what's good for me and my job, do I think that it's the best decision long-term for the Jets? I don't know, but that's not my call. No, but the thing is and we can't figure it out Whose call ultimately will it be? Is it Robert's call? Is it Joe's call? Is it Woody's call? Is it Aaron's call? I mean everything's a collective with the Jets, right? But let's be honest They all sit down in a room. He's cleared the play Wednesday What are they gonna do?


could turn on the recording so that we've got a record of it as well. All right. So topics, um, let's see. So we've got, uh, community bonding, uh, for the next, for about a month, right? Yeah. And then project for, I believe it's 11 or 12 weeks for basically three months. Uh, and so I assume that the first question is, how do we achieve community bonding? How do we make sure that that's successful? And then go from there. Um, what other topics should we put on the list? Well, yeah, I can just put comment topics. We address, um, in, uh, Google, uh, summer of code. Uh, so firstly it's communication, uh, channels. So it's, uh, meetings, uh, maiden, please, if needed, chats, uh, then, um, another important topic is actually stakeholders. Um, so getting as many, uh, contributors as possible. Uh, also, um, of course, knowledge transfers, uh, when needed. Getting, uh, permissions and required infrastructure. Planning of the project was not at least actually socializing the project. So yeah, these are main things we are doing here, um, during community bonding, uh, I might have missed something, but yeah, there is definitely a lot of work during community bonding. And this is actually brings up, uh, to the first question I would like to discuss is about availability. Yeah, um, during community bonding, everybody has, uh, different, uh, capacities and people have locations, of course, uh, in your case, uh, you also, uh, just to tell us once about Google's season of dogs. So, uh, of course we need to adjust our plan, uh, the main assumption and then Google, uh, summer of code and same for Jason. But, uh, you're not available full-time or anywhere close during the community bonding. At the same time, we want it to happen smoothly. So it's important, uh, to have, uh, communications and to ensure that we can find, uh, proper, uh, meetings and meeting times so that we know about each other's availability. So for example, I can go ahead. I can say that in the beginning of September, I disappeared for two weeks because I go on vacation. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So it's, yeah, just two weeks. So it's just an example and if somebody else has, uh, such major commitments or major unavailability plans, uh, you could share them. Yeah. And I should just alert that I'm, I'm. Mark is primary Jenkins info right for the, for a while here in for support. Therefore tends to be distracted by that. Uh, so I may not, particularly during community bonding, I may not be as responsive as I'd like to be, but I'm, I'm not on vacation. Just at risk of heavy load. All right. So that. And that, you know, any, you said you were moving that you're changing location that probably will affect your availability. Are there other things where you'd like to note during the period up until September 13? Um, no, aside the fact that next week, um, from Monday to Sunday, though, I'll be available, but not as much as I would like because I'm traveling around a bit, but if there is anything, I'll be available. Yeah. Yeah, it's, and it is perfectly fine, particularly during community bonding. Right. Oh, like, can you help me be sure I understand? I think community bonding is intended is it's okay that it's not the same level of time investment as during the project phase during the project phase, it's relatively heavier than community bonding. Community bonding is the getting started phase. It's expected at the same time, yeah, uh, to have the project, the efficient community bonding has to happen because yeah, I've been participating in GSOC for five years by now. And basically community bonding is, uh, the first one, the majority of projects fail, even if the failure effectively happens later. Uh, so they, we still need to organize it. At the same time, uh, many communications can actually happen unsynchronously. Uh, so yeah, commonly our recommendation, uh, for projects is to do as many discussions as possible in my link list, et cetera. Uh, historically, uh, still projects tend to use chats more, but for example, chats are also kind of a synchronous and you don't have to have a meeting to discuss everything. So it would be one of the ways to actually ensure that, uh, we can move forward. Yeah. As Mark said, uh, it's expected that we have every day. Great. Okay. So you mentioned communication channels. Uh, Zinab, is Gitter accessible to you? Is that a workable communication channel for you as a Gitter, Gitter for chat? Yes, it is. Okay. So I'm going to paste a URL to the, uh, Gitter chat for the docs. I think that maybe it's a low enough, uh, low enough volume, a low enough traffic channel that I think we could reasonably use it. Well, like, has that, has your experience hinted that that would work or should we do a dedicated channel for, um, for Google season of docs? It depends on how intense it is. So again, this is the first time we participate in a Google, uh, season of docs. Um, but yeah, I would start from a single channel, at least for community bonding and if we see that it doesn't work, we can about in JSOC, uh, the most of, uh, projects actually have separate channels, um, but yeah, again, yeah, uh, documentation, sick channel firstly, uh, is quite active, but, uh, at the same time, it's not something like we have them once out of them, two messages per day there. So I think it could be sustainable. And for me, at least for sure, it's not to use, uh, the docs one. I wouldn't mind either also having things in the Gitter chat because it could kind of pull in other people who might, you know, interested or have be able to review or have other comments. So just keeping it open for many people who'd be interested. Now, now, is there a, is there a Gitter chat that's focused on Kubernetes or is that a slack channel? I mean, is we could consider doing this, theming this instead around Kubernetes rather than around docs in that sense? Okay. So one thing that, uh, there is a dedicated channel for Jenkins in Kubernetes Slack. So this one of the options we could consider at the same time, uh, so Kubernetes Slack isn't managed by Jenkins community. And it means that if we need any changes and integrations, it might be difficult. Plus, uh, that channel is actually quite active. Uh, okay. So we would be easily, we could more easily get lost in that channel, be overwhelmed by volume. Yeah, but it's, uh, something worth exploring, at least it's definitely a good place, uh, to be, uh, for contributors. Because, yeah, yeah, most likely this channel could be used to facilitate feedback. For example, one of the things we could do, the only coming into bonding, uh, contact links, the colors, that's why we could launch a kind of survey to see what actually users expect from documentation, what are the key areas, and for such, uh, options, uh, yeah, uh, using, uh, existing community channels is a good thing to do. Ah, right. Okay. That's, I like that. So survey the community, the Kubernetes Slack channel, uh, we may not then use it for detailed communication with each other, but that's a great place to get. Excellent. Okay. It can be a great place, for example, for getting feedback or maybe asking some questions, because yeah, there is a lot of Kubernetes experts there. So again, it's a, it's definitely a channel, a way we should be, at the same time, whether it's a main channel. Personally, I wouldn't vote for that. Uh, but again, during community bonding, we can review options and, uh, make an indicator choice, because right now we don't have enough data to see. Any, no, you had noted stakeholders, any guidance there, Oleg, in terms of stakeholders and should we finish with communication channels first? Oh, yes. Yes. Please go ahead. Because we haven't discussed meetings. Ah. So for meetings, how we usually approach in JSOC, we recommend the teams to have two meetings per week. Uh, during the coding, the implementation phase, and we recommend to start setting up these meetings during community bonding. Uh, for JSOC, I'm not sure what would be the cadence. I think that, uh, it makes sense to just utilize existing, uh, documentation, seek meetings where possible. For example, yeah, I'm not sure about, uh, Mark's office house, that office house is something like 10 PM UTC on Monday's, right? So, yeah, obviously I can't participate there, uh, I'm not sure about here, Zeynep, because we're in the similar time zone, but it's, I'd rather depend on personal availability. Uh, but yeah, we can definitely find, uh, slots and Americanization would be two target weekly meetings. Maybe not the next week, uh, if you're moving, but a week after, uh, it makes sense to start having meetings. Okay. But, um, sorry, I just wanted to confirm on the meeting times, there's, um, meetings that happen on Monday's, um, that's, um, very late. So, I might not, it might not be consistent for me, because sometimes, yeah, I'm awake, but sometimes I'm already at sleep, because I think it's around, like, 12 PM, they're about here, so. Yeah, it was, Oleg's, Oleg's suggestion was that we consider either a Thursday, Thursday, midday your time, or a some other day, or we could, we can do absolutely, that Monday session is not expected that you would attend because it is so late. It's, that's very much a North America, North, an America's centered thing, and it's after the working day in most of the Americas. So it's intentionally very, very late. And we know it's impossible for Europe and for Africa. So, so absolutely, you're right. You are not expected to attend Monday. Yeah, what we need to do is to actually, uh, maybe create a doodle, uh, for the weekly slot. I like that. Let me do that. Okay. Yeah, no, the important meeting we need to discuss is Documentation Seek meeting. So I guess the next meeting is this Friday, right? I do plan to do it, Mark. I plan to cancel it for this week, or just to call up that we're, our weekly office hours are sufficient, so, but we could hold it if it would help, past attendance has been lighter than the office hours. And so I'm, I'm more prone to cancel the, that Friday morning, one Friday a month and continue the weekly office hours. I see now, would you be available this Friday with that work for you? It would be Friday at, let's see, is, which, which times, what are you in? See not GMT plus one GMT plus one. Okay. So same time zone as you are Oleg, right? You're GMT plus one. Yeah, plus two like this. Okay. All right. So let me do a quick look at the calendar. I think. So it was unknown UTC protocol correctly. Yeah. So it is, it would start at this, at the same time as this meeting did today, on Friday. Okay, that's fine. Okay. Well, so then, so then, and are you, are you, you're available that at that times enough so we could just use that time as one of our meetings? Okay. All right. Great. Yeah. So one thing about that, that so if you do it this week, then, yeah, we can announce the project in the minute piece, et cetera, invite people, but I'm not sure that we will have a lot of contributed during concession, short notice, maybe, maybe one of the options is not doing it tomorrow, but doing it next week. And, and sorry, Oleg, I misspoke. It is actually scheduled for next week. All right. So my mistake. So Zina, I assume it's okay. Are you available next Friday at, at this time? Yes, I will be. Sorry about that, Oleg. It was next Friday at so, so that's the scheduled time. It's on the 28th of August, 2020. Actually, it will be me who is unavailable because I have DevOps world recording at this time. Ah, okay. But yeah, if I finish early, I will join. Great. And Zina, if you find that that time, well, we'll do the doodle poll to find a time. But that Friday, Friday time works great for me. And, and we'll, we'll do the poll to see if we can find a point where weekly meetings will work. Okay. So speaking of that, yeah, we really need to start the content in stakeholders earlier. One of the ways is to actually announce the project. So I still have an option, open action. I can turn on sit in Jenkins social media because well, I was waiting for Google to fix the JSO side. But yeah, more importantly, the strata announced it in the seek and in the Jenkins developer, my link list. And maybe in cloud native seek as well, because it's highly likely that you will get some contributors out of there. So, yeah, my question is, who would have something with to do the announcements? I could do that. So let me let me take the announcement piece. Oh, like, I was, I was going to proffer one more, which I would love to have a blog post introducing herself and the project and would think we would beg Xenob for that, but I can do the announcements. So the, when we say Jenkins social media, that's really Twitter, LinkedIn. Should we do something on the Facebook account as well? I don't remember if we've got access. Yeah, I have access to the, but yeah, Facebook is dormant right now. Okay. They did basically, we can do it later. But yeah, anyway, yeah. So then I also want to use intent to facilitate contributions. So it's not to brag about the project, but actually to invite people to join. Right. And yet this blog post would be rather about the same, but the blog post, it's a bit flexible, you can do multiple things. Well, and would it be acceptable if Xenob also use the blog post? Maybe it's a, maybe it will confuse things, but to introduce Sheco's Africa, I think that's such a, such a cool concept that hey, I'm Xenob and I'm, I'm here, but I'm also involved in other things. And yeah, that sounds great. Well, it was over the cover to some extent in the CD Foundation blog post. But yeah, I believe that the content could be duplicated, has published blog wasn't too much about Sheco's Africa. But yeah, I agree that it's perfectly fine to advertise to other communities. Oh, good. Okay. Okay. And also we need to announce it in the developer mailing list. Oh, right. Yep. Because yeah, developer mailing list is basically the main, the central mailing list for Jenkins contributors. I would rather say that the name is a bit obsolete because yeah, the name with basically have developers. We use it for all kinds of governance matters, et cetera. So it's basically Jenkins central. But yeah, you haven't never renamed it. Yeah. It's anything, anything that isn't specifically a user question tends to end up there, right? The all governance, all we talk about documentation there. Yeah, you're right. So it's basically a central contributor mining list and not all contributors are developers. Okay. So what else? So there was, was it Torsten Walter as a possible coach or an orientation session? Is that in this section or should we consider that part of knowledge transfer? Yeah, it's basically a contacting maintainers and key stakeholders. So yeah, in the community, we have a number of contributors who are active in a Kubernetes related components. There are also external components, for example, Helen charts are currently external and Torsten basically works on Helen charts. But yeah, we could contact these contributors directly and invite them to participate in particular areas, etc. So we're actually going to be over time a bit. Yeah, let's do a check. Yeah, you have a hard set. I do. I have a hard stop at 9.30. So I have 13 minutes more. Okay, unfortunately, I have 30 minutes more. Xenob, are you available for additional time or should we schedule? Do we need to schedule another time when we could meet? No, let's continue. Okay, great. So, Kristen, thank you for being here. Thank you. Well, the notes are available to you and the recording will be posted a little later. All right, great. Thanks and welcome Xenob. Thank you later. See you all later. Bye. See you. Bye. Okay, so what else about the stakeholders? Yeah, I think that it's being able to spend some time to do the full list. Do you want to do it now? No, no, we can gather it later. Okay. And that one, I fear, Oleg, it may be better that you do it rather than me. I'm not sure. I am confident I do not know which are the key contributors in that area and your experience with cloud native SIG will help a bunch. Okay, yeah, I will do that. But yeah, anyway, force can be gradual, so it's not like we need everyone to be contacted next week. Because at least my vision for the project is that you would actually need to start from setting up a skeleton on the structure for documentation. And you will proceed to specific topics after that. But again, it's my vision. It's subject for discussion. But I'm not sure whether you want to discuss it today or next week. Yeah, I think that we don't have to contact everyone overnight. Right. Anything else on stakeholders and onboarding contributors? I guess for now, it shouldn't be okay. Somewhat related, it would be great to have a project page on the Jenkins side. So we're pretty much similar to how we do for JSOC. And yeah, as in JSOC, JSOC has two pages. So one is final report, which is likely a kind of blog post. And another one is just project page, which could be a reference to this page. And yeah, I believe that we could update docs, seek documentation and other locations to reference this project because obviously it will make it more discoverable. Separately, yeah, the project naturally maps to Jenkins road map. We have a Jenkins and Kubernetes item there. I have Jenkins and Kubernetes and documentation seek projects list. So maybe we can just cross reference it. That seems so is that one that. Feels like Zenab should handle the blog. That's a good place. It may get her more familiar to work with the project to try to create the project page. But then again, it may also be a an uncomfortable or a daunting task. Do you have a sense that something I should do or Zenab should do? It shouldn't be a big deal to create. I think I think I can create the project page also. Okay, great. I'll just ask for the idea and see if we need any. Great. All right. So we have a root page for JSOD so you can just create something under this rule. And Zenab, you have already contributed to the Jenkins IO site multiple times. So that's great. Okay. So it's not that there's any any ode. How do we how do I operate with this? You're already comfortable with that. Great. Yeah. Anything else on stakeholders and onboarding contributors? That's fine for now. Yeah, we're likely need to talk about it a bit more once we see how many stakeholders we have. Because this project may go in different directions. So one way basically we don't call the documentation compiling on the documentation separate ways that facilitating the things and helping others. So for example, just ensuring that there is documentation stretch helping others to contribute particular bits of the materials. Yes, we're writing a lot of documentation, but at the same time, rather making it a group effort in the community. But yeah, we will be able to make this decision on the approach once we see how many contributors are actually interested. All right. Knowledge transfer then. So I like the idea of a skeleton of the document socialized. Zina, have you had experience in the past with Kubernetes? Yes. Yes. Now, in terms of one of the things I was assuming was a session with Torsten and others would be a good knowledge transfer. Yeah, it would be. Though again, I'm not sure what it has to happen during community bonding, because it's about health charts. So there are two options. Do it during community bonding or do it when we actually start working on this area. Right. Good point. It's perfectly OK that during the project phase from September onward, that lots of work happens there. OK. Yeah. Still, if you do it in during community bonding phase plus one. If you prefer this approach, we can actually do that. Or we can schedule it. Let's see. I'm not sure where would it be according to the project plan. But most likely it will be closer to the second part of the project. So what would be your preference there? I think I'd love to have the sessions, the sharing sessions. Sorry, do you ask questions on the sessions? Yes. So when do you prefer to have them during community bonding? During community bonding. OK. We could try it. Yeah. And the one challenge there is we're in August and many people are on vacation in August. So there's a risk it won't make it during community bonding. But knowing that it's preferred, we can try to try to get those scheduled to plan. Yeah, I can discuss it, Mr. Sturston. But I think that it would be rather a beginning of September. And it means that somebody else would need to host it. Because it's not like I cannot host it during the vacation. I actually would be happy to do so. But at the same time, I can commit on any internet quality. Well, and I like that's when I would love the excuse personally to host it, because then I could listen and learn while Torston and Zina are discussing. OK. So OK. So I guess I can take action item to actually kick off the discussion. But yeah, then I can transfer it to you so that you can continue and set the date. OK. And yeah, I guess we need. Similar on Kubernetes plugin. So Zina, in your plan, you step starts from Kubernetes plugin, right? Sir, I didn't get that. So does your does your plan start with or have a key component of using the Kubernetes plugin? And I assume it does. Yes, it does. Yeah, because an actual evolution is that we start from Kubernetes plugin. Then you're deploying Jenkins to Kubernetes. So for that to be had knowledge transferred by Marki Jackson in May. Well, it was online meetup. But it's quite straightforward. This foundation documentation. Then, yeah, we can press it to hand charts. And for example, Jenkins Kubernetes operator. And there are also a lot of other plugins like Kubernetes CD plugin. So again, just so basically it was done to two areas. One is. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Should I repeat it? I think I think it was just background noise on CNEP's microphone. So I think you can go ahead or like. Yeah. So again, we still need to plan how we approach to the documentation, how we structure that. But yeah, generally there are two main parts. One is running Jenkins and Kubernetes. Another one is more user site is actually running payloads and Jenkins pipelines in Kubernetes or, let's say, deploying applications for Kubernetes. So there are basically two components of that communication. And then we can do knowledge transfers separately. We can split it to phases. Yeah. So for example, we could meet next week and spend time specifically on actually reviewing the plan because CNEP already has a great plan in the application. So we should use it as a base together. But again, we could discuss what would be the main deliverables, et cetera. Because it would be important for coming into Bonnack. And it's important that when we start the implementation, we actually have some vision where we want to be. I like that. That would that would allow us to let if that's OK, you can see now with you, the doc SIG meeting next week would be almost entirely focused on discussing and reviewing, refining the plan that you've already assembled as part of the the application to Google Season of Docs. Would that be OK with you? Yeah, that's fine. Now, permissions and infra. Oleg, that was one that I was concerned about. Can you give some insights or suggestions there? OK, so for permissions, most likely we do need special permissions right now because yeah, there is Jenkins IO website. And unless we decide to create a mini site for Kubernetes documentation, so if we just target putting the documentation on Jenkins IO, there is no need in special permissions. For infrastructure, she is a it's a bit more different because for infrastructure, one of the ways is to actually run everything in mini cube on a similar service locally. But it's most likely that you will have to at least run some components during your project. So that's why I wonder whether we should consider having access for cluster or whether you find these deployments in mini cube. I would assume that she'll need cluster access for just the nature of the surprises that I expect to come or the things that are more complicated than will work with just mini cube. Well, for me, it's firstly a part of the plan because let's say you want to write a section about how to run Jenkins in AKS. OK, then you have we need to have an AKS account. But if you want to just prove free guidelines for Kubernetes plugin, most likely you can get away with mini cube. So that's why I'm not sure whether we have answer now, but this is definitely a question you need to answer during the community bonding phase, because if you want to provision infrastructure somewhere for testing, then it implies some course and it means that we need to secure budgeting for that, etc. So we have budgets in the Jenkins project, but it really depends on what we need to deploy and how what we have other options. So that's why it's rather preferable to do it in community bonding because it may take a few weeks. If you do it when we need it, then there is a high risk of the project being delayed. OK. CNAP, does that make sense to you? You're comfortable with that that next Friday? Well, we would love to have a discussion and include that topic in the discussion. Yes. Yeah. So I guess we went through key items. Except socializing the project, but a bit of the basically country stickhold without reach, which we discussed before is more less color sit for now. Right. So any other topics you see missing for the community bonding? None that I see. CNAP, any from you? None from my end. None from my end. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Super. Yeah. So if you see something just let's discuss it synchronously. So again, the main objective is to basically ensure that you have everything you need to start the project and that we prepare the environment that we are comfortable with what we are doing and we empower to do what we need. So again, if you see anything, just bring it up. We'll need to wait until the next meeting. OK. Yeah. Hopefully we will be able to resolve many things synchronously. Great. Excellent. That covers all the topics that that I had hoped and far beyond. Well done. Thank you. Zinab, any other topics you'd like to add before we close, before we conclude? No, I think I'm good. All right. Thank you. Then I will. I will go ahead. Let's we'll end the meeting and I'll upload the recording and the notes. You should have a link to them. If you do not, I will certainly post a link to these notes in the in the chat. Yeah. So the recording, actually, there are two options. Firstly, we upload it and make it public like we do by default for project meetings. So all we can actually just keep it unlisted so basically both ways work and for me, whatever works. Any preferences? I've I've liked public, but I'm OK with unlisted. Unlisted will still allow Zinab to review at any time and anyone who has the link to review it. So yeah, either is great. Either is great for me to public on this stage. Both are comfortable with me. Yeah. OK, so if if you're not if you're not uncomfortable with public, I'm biased towards public myself. So I would tend to upload it public. So let's just assume I'll go ahead public. OK. OK, that's fine. All right. Thanks, everybody. Thank you very much. And we will meet next Friday at this same time. So eight days from now and discuss further and we'll have interactive chats and conversations either in chat or the mailing list between now and then. Thanks, Zinab. Thank you for joining. Thank you. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Alec. Looking forward to work with you in the next seven months. See you here. All right. Bye.


Hi, I'm Zor. Welcome to Unisor Education. I will continue talking about series and sequences in this particular lecture. I will present some information pertain to series of progressions, arithmetic progression and geometric progression. Now, it's actually the most simple cases, actually, of some nation, arithmetic or geometric progression. But at the same time, they are actually occurring quite often, and that's why we start with, this is a simple and very often the occurring examples of series. So without further ado, let's just introduce these two things. So first of all, about arithmetic progression. Arithmetic progression is characterized by the first element, A, and the difference between two consecutive elements, which means that after the first element, A, next one would be A plus G, next one would be A plus 2G, etc. And what is my element number K? It's A plus K minus 1G. This is my generalized K's element of arithmetic progression with the first element A and the difference G. Well, indeed, if K is equal to 1, this is 0, so it's A. If K is equal to 2, 2 minus 1 is 1, so it's A plus G. If K equals to 3, 3 minus 1 is 2, so it's A plus 2G, etc. Now, let's sum them up together. Before doing that, I will remind you the case with famous German mathematician Gauss or Paulus. And when he was a child, I think I actually told you before this story, when he was a child, he was asked to, well, the whole class actually where he participated, was asked to basically sum up all the numbers from one to a hundred. And he was very quick with an answer. And what he did was, instead of doing this, he did this. He wrote exactly the same thing but backwards. Hundred, ninety-nine, ninety-eight, three, two, one. This is the same sum, right? Which means if I will add them together, it will be double the sum which we need. But considering that I can sum up these whole numbers in any sequence because addition is commutative and associative, so we will sum up these two sequences vertically. This and then this and then this and then this and this and this. And as you see, in every case, I have one hundred and one. Now, how many times I have one hundred and one? One, two, three, four, a hundred. So my total, which is double sum, is one hundred times one over one, which is this. But this is the double of the sum. So a single sum is five thousand and fifty. That's his answer which he came up with very quickly. I will do exactly the same thing for arithmetic progression in a more generalized case. Let's say I have to sum up all the numbers of arithmetic progression with numbers from one to some maximum number n. So my first number is a. My second number is a plus d. My third one is a plus 2d, et cetera. Now, my last number, number n, would be a plus n minus 1d. Now, the one preceding this would be 1d less than this. We're going backwards. So it's n minus 2d. So these are the beginning and the end of the sequence, which I have to summarize. This is s. So I'll put plus signs here. Now, I will do exactly the same thing as Gauss did for summation of first hundred numbers. I'll put them in reverse. So first, I will put this one, a plus n minus 1d. Secondly, I'll put this one, the previous one, a plus n minus 2d, et cetera. And the last one would be a. And the one before that would be a plus d. And now I have to sum them up together. And let's do it vertically again. The first one and the first one from the opposite side. The second one and the second one. Now, et cetera, et cetera. The last one with the first and the one for less with the second. And now I will, obviously, this is also s. So instead of summing sequentially, I will sum up vertically. And every pair, a plus this, what will be? Would be a and a would be 2a plus n minus 1d. Now, what will be here? a and a will be also 2a. n minus 2d and d would be again n minus 1d. Same thing. And as you guessed, everything else would be also a.  And how many of these I have? Well, obviously, number n of the elements which I am summing up. So basically what I came up with here is that this sum can be calculated as n times a plus n minus 2a plus n minus 1d. And obviously, the formula for a sum s would be n 2a plus n minus 1d divided by 2. So this is a generalized formula for sum of the first n elements of arithmetic progression with the first member a and the difference d. Well, can it be simplified somehow? Yeah, I guess it can, but I don't think it matters. You can rewrite this as you can divide this by 2. So it will be a times n plus n n minus 1d divided by 2. Doesn't really matter.  And this is, let me just use the summation in this case. My generalized element is a plus i minus 1d. So I'm summing up this with i is equal from 1 to n. So sum of all elements which look like this where i is an index changing from 1 to n is equal to this formula. Now, is it really a rigorous proof? Well, not exactly, because I was dealing with, well, basically some kind of a number. And I reversed the sequence. I think more rigorous proof would be just to do more or less the same thing by induction. And let me just, for an illustration, basically, do this again using the method of mathematical induction. So let me rewrite this formula again as this divided by 2. This is s n. I use the index n to signify that this is the sum of the first n elements of my sequence. So how the classical method of induction is supposed to be used? First, you check it for some initial value. Let's say n is equal to 1. Now, if n is equal to 1, my sequence contains only one element a. And obviously, the sum of this one element a is exactly the same thing a. So I should have s1 equal to a. Now, let's check it out. If n is equal to 1, this is 0, right? And this is 1. So I have 2a divided by 2, so it's a 5. So formula is correct for n equals to 1. Now, let's assume that for some n equals to k, s k is indeed equal to n times 2a plus n minus 1. I mean k. I'm using k here now. And this is also k. d divided by 2. Now, what happens if I will change to k plus 1?  Obviously, sum will increase by k plus first member of the sequence, right? So s k plus first is supposed to be equal to s k plus k plus first sequence. Now, k plus first sequence would be what? Remember, my generalized formula is this one, right? This is k's member. Now, if instead of k, it's k plus 1, it would be a plus k d. Now, this is how it's supposed to be, right? So let's check that if I will do this, I will have a similar formula to this one with n equals to k plus 1. All right, so how can we check that very simply?   Well, obviously, we will use the common denominator. So I will have, so this is s k plus first.  OK, equals.  OK, I have rewritten it in this way. I multiply k by 2 a separately than this member, because I will combine them together in the future. And k is multiplied by this and then this. So what do I have? OK, k times 2 a and 2 a would be, obviously, k plus 1 to a, right, plus. Here, if I will factor out k, I will get k minus 1 d plus 2 That's what I have.  It's k plus 1 d divided by 2. Equals. Now I can factor out k plus 1. And inside the parentheses, I will have plus k d divided by 2. Now, this is my final formula for s k plus k plus first member of this sequence. Now, if you substitute instead of n k plus 1, you will get exactly the same, you see? n minus 1 where k is equal to, when n is equal to k plus 1, would be exactly k. So my formula is exactly the same, but with n equals to k plus 1 instead of n equals k. That's the real proof. Now, what's wrong with this proof? Well, nothing wrong except that I kind of knew the formula, right? And now, knowing the formula, I can prove it by induction. But in the beginning, I didn't know the formula. I basically derived it using not exactly rigorous methodology of reversing the sequence and sounding it vertically. But whatever it is, I should probably say that the combination of both have intuitive proof, which is the first part, and the rigorous proof by induction, which is the second part. Together, they made the whole theory, well, relatively rigorous, all right? OK, this is all for arithmetic progression. Now, let me address the geometric progression, the sum of the first n members of geometric progression. Now, what is geometric progression? If you remember, it's characterized by the first member and the quotient, which is multiplied on every step. And the element number k would be this. So my question is, what is sk equal to a plus aq plus blah, blah, plus aq k minus 1? What is this sum? That's what I have to calculate. Well, I'll do exactly the same thing. I'll do first some kind of a trick which would help me to derive the formula. Now, what's the trick? The trick is very simple. I multiply by q this sum. So q times sk is equal to a times q is aq. a times q is aq squared. aq to the k minus 1 times q would be aq to the k's, k degree. And what is the previous member? Obviously, aq to the k minus 1. So my power is from 0 to k minus 1 in this case. But from this case, it's from 1 to k. Now, these two expressions are very much alive. Because as you see, this and this and everything in between are common with these guys, you see? So if I will do sk minus q times sk, what happens? If I subtract from this, I subtract this. Well, these guys will go, obviously. And what I will have is a minus aq to the k's. This is the only thing remaining from this. And this one with a minus sign because I'm subtracting is what remains from the second expression. And obviously, from here, I conclude that's minus minus q is equal to a minus aq to the k's, from which sk is equal to a, a minus q to the k's degree, 1 minus q. I factor out a. So I have 1 minus qk. And I divided both sides by 1 minus q. I get this one. So this is the formula. Now, if I really want to do it very, very rigorously, I have to, more or less, repeat my logic which I did with arithmetic progression, summing up arithmetic progression. I have to repeat here and prove it by induction. Well, I leave it as an exercise to you because it's extremely simple thing. So you can consider this as a final formula. What's also interesting here is another formula which you can actually derive from this one, a1 minus qk divided by 1 minus q. Now, the interesting formula which I wanted actually you to remember, it's more or less in line with, you remember the formula a minus b times a plus b is equal to a square minus b square. It's some kind of a very fast kind of a formula which you probably remember. Now, this is not as short, but it's also a very useful formula. Why don't you put a is equal to 1 in both cases? This formula is true for any a and any q, more or less. So let's assign a equals to 1. So what happens?  So if you have an expression like this, you can always represent it as the result of multiplication of these two expressions, which means that basically 1 minus 1 half to the fixed degree is equal to 1 minus 1 minus 1 half times 1 plus 1 half plus 1 half square plus 1 half q plus 1 half to the force degree. So this is an interesting formula which you can actually use for certain problems in a completely different area, like solving equations or anything like that. It allows you, basically, if you want to solve equation like this, you immediately see that q is equal to 1 is your first root of this equation. And then everything else is by one factor less. So for instance, you would like to solve an equation 1 minus x cubed is equal to 0. Well, I mean, yes, you can use some other methodology. But this is immediately, like x is equal to 1 is 1 root of this particular equation, 1 solution. And 1 plus x plus x square equals to 0 is another equation which you have to solve. And whatever the solutions of these plus x equals to 1 are the solutions of the whole thing. All right. Well, that's it for geometric progression. I will talk about certain problems related to arithmetic and geometric progressions in a separate lecture, including I will prove that, let's say, sum of arithmetic progression which contains odd numbers is a square of the last number. And I will talk about paradox offered by Greek philosopher Zina about Achilles and the tortoise. But so far, this is an introduction to what is exactly a arithmetic series and geometric series. I offered intuitive formulas, which I have derived with not exactly in a rigorous manner. But then you can prove both arithmetic series and geometric series formulas using mathematical induction, which I did for arithmetic case. And I do recommend you to use the same approach and prove by induction the formula for geometric series. That's it for today. Don't forget that registered to Unisor.com, student can take exams, which is very, very important for your education. And parents or supervisors, please also pay attention to this. You can enroll your students into this or that course. You can check how they took exams and basically make a decision about whether the course is completed or not. And if not, let them just repeat it. It's all free anyway. All right, thanks very much.


Okay, welcome. Good morning, everyone. Let's begin with the word of prayer. Asha, would you be able to lead us in prayer? Yes, please go ahead. Thank you so much. Thank you, Asha, for leading us in prayer. So we will continue from where we had stopped in the last class. So we saw how the layman was healed. And after that, we had a certain reaction from the authorities, which was to question and interrogate Peter and John. So they go through the entire interrogation in Acts chapter four. And they are let go. And then we saw how the church in a great time of opposition chooses to pray, chooses to seek God for his favour and asks for boldness instead of succumbing under pressure, instead of wanting to hide, they want to continue to serve God. So it was all too amazing for us to note. Then we also towards the end of chapter four, we saw how the community, the church community lived in unity. They were committed to the teaching of God's word and they were breaking bread, which was remembering the Lord Jesus and his work on the cross. And so their fellowship continued in this way where they were focusing on the Lord. And we also saw how there was sharing, giving to one another that they practice because of their needs which existed in the church of Jerusalem. And we saw a man introduced, which is Barnabas, son of encouragement, who is spoken of as a wealthy person and a generous person at the same time who sold his possessions and who brought the gifts to the apostles. So we will pick up from there. And so today we will be looking at Acts chapter five and I request us to please turn to this chapter. So we're still in a place where this amazing community is together. People who are serving the Lord, people who are dedicated to the fellowship of the believers. So a lot of caring is taking place. We saw how Barnabas gave into this community. So we recognize from what happens in Acts chapter five that there were others also who were giving. So Acts five will throw light on a certain couple called Ananias, however you want to pronounce it, or Ananias with Safaira, his wife. And they also had the heart to give, but something went wrong in their giving. So that's what we are going to look at. So Acts chapter five introduces Ananias and Safaira and it says that they sold a possession, but what they did is they kept back of the proceeds. And in this case, both husband and wife were aware that something like that, this had taken place and they brought only a certain part and gave it to the apostles. Now, for us in verse one and two, we see the generosity of Ananias and Safaira. But in verse three, Peter rebukes Ananias. He says, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? So there's generosity by the couple, but there is a rebuke from the apostles. So what really happened in this situation, that is something that we must look into. So what happened is, as Peter suggests here, he says, you have kept back a certain amount. Now, how does Peter know? Peter is functioning with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Corinthians chapter 12, we have a list of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. One of the gifts is the word of knowledge, where God can supernaturally bring revelation on a past event or an occurrence. Or even something, usually we refer to something in the past, but word of knowledge could border on prophecy. It is one of those prophetic and revelatory gifts. So there could be an element of future in it, but in general, something to do with the past. So as soon as this gift was brought to the apostles, Peter, by the operation of the gift of the Holy Spirit, a word of knowledge, he rebukes Ananias and he says, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? So there is an influence of Satan and that is how temptation works, we know that. So there is an influence, but we observe that it takes the human being or the believer to yield to the temptation also for that sin to be committed. In this case, why has Satan filled your heart is one thing, but Ananias lying to the Holy Spirit. So him actually committing the deed, committing the sin is the other thing. So we have a responsibility as far as a walk of righteousness is concerned. So it's not all like, oh Satan pushed me, do it and I had no say, it's not like that. Satan influenced, but Ananias yielded. So he lied to the Holy Spirit. So that's what Peter came to know by the Holy Spirit. So lying to the Holy Spirit, it's interesting. Peter could have said that Ananias lied to the church because this was about the community and about their accountability to one another. But he points out that the sin was committed against the Holy Spirit. And also in this case, the Holy Spirit, we will see later that he is actually in the knowledge of the Holy Spirit being a person and being a part of the Trinity or the Godhead. So what Ananias did was not so much against the church as much it was against God himself. So it was huge the revelation that came to Peter when this gift was brought.  So that is the issue here. He lied to the Holy Spirit and he kept back some amount of money. Now, let's go ahead and read the following verses also, then we'll have a full picture. Verse 4, while it remained, was it not your own and after it was sold, was it not your own in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God. So Peter is saying that Ananias of his own will decided to give to the church community. So it was in his own will what he wanted to do and how he wanted to serve the body of Christ. But it seems like because the statement made there is and after it was sold, was it not in your own control? So it was his own will, it was in his control. But it seems like he promised something but he did something else. And it also seems like he was someone who wanted to do the right thing with the wrong motivation. So earlier we looked at the testimony of Barnabas, how he was commended for his generosity. It's possible that Ananias wanted a place of fame in the church community. He wanted to be recognized as a so-called godly believer. So on the outside there is generosity but deep within his heart there is an agreement with Satan. He wants other things deep within which would be fame, which would be name, which would be favor from the apostles. And all these things which are not right before the Lord. So it just goes to show us that Ananias did something wrong. Why are we saying wrong? When you look at that term kept back, you kept back part of the price of the land for yourself. Is it wrong to keep back a part of the price of the land for yourself? Not at all. It was his land and that's exactly what Peter is saying. It was your land. Everything was under your control. But what Ananias ended up doing here is something like misappropriation. It falls under the category of actually the word which is used there. In the Greek word is nospizomai, which means to misappropriate. In the Greek translation of the Old Testament, Akan's sin, Akan's theft in the book of Joshua is described with the same word, nospizomai. So you see that there is a connection in what Akan did and what Ananias also did. And in the New Testament in Titus 2.10, that word stealing is described with the same word. So Ananias had done something which falls in that category of misappropriation, theft. And God was aware of what was done. So he was doing something on the outside as if he kept his word and all that. But actually he had tried to cover up some of his actions behind the scenes. Now we know that God is an all-knowing God. We can't hide from him, which is why even beyond what we do, why we do it is so crucial. And it's not right in our own lifestyle to project an image of ourselves which does not exist in reality. So in the case of Ananias in the area of giving, it seems like he had done something really displeasing unto the Lord. And no wonder Peter is rebuking Ananias and he's saying, look, you kept back misappropriation a part of the price of the land. And he says things like, you lied to the Holy Spirit, you have not lied to men but to God. So there it is. He is calling the Holy Spirit as God. And God helped the Apostle Peter to recognize the people things, not just the things on the surface, but what actually was going on. And in the house of God, when we studied about the church, we looked at the various pictures of the church, how God wants the church to be a bride, to be an army, a representative, a body, representative of Christ himself. And obviously, it's a temple, it's a temple. And in a temple, the holy presence of God dwells. So God is not someone who can push sin under the carpet and still keep things moving. It doesn't work with God that way. And so in this case, holiness was being compromised. And in the church of Jerusalem and in the acts of the Apostles, as I earlier mentioned to us, it's a time of great revival. So we see that people are being saved, miracles are taking place, God's favor is seen upon the church. So many things are happening. So in a time of great revival, one observation is that it will also be a time of great judgment. Somehow, there is little or no tolerance for sin. Some of us might look at what Anandayas did and say, why couldn't he be let go? Or why didn't God just let it be? Okay, he misappropriated the funds. So many people misappropriate funds in today's day and age. Why is Anandayas being rebuked? But you see, it's a time of a great revival and generally we see that in scripture and even in church history, times of revival. There will be great incredible manifestation of the presence of God, deep revelation of the truth of God's word. And so all these positive things will be in a heightened level. And at the same time, there'll be little or no tolerance for sin, the slightest issues. It just is exposed and God deals with it in a very sort of a strict and immediate way. So somehow that's how it works. So that is the observation here from the incident of Anandayas. So what happened? Now Peter rebuked Anandayas and was that all? Was he given a chance to change what he had done? Okay, verse 5. It says, then Anandayas hearing these words fell down and breathed his last. So what happened? Maybe Anandayas thought that nobody will discover what he did. Okay, that he will have an image which is very different from the actual person he is or the actions that he's responsible for. But when Peter brought it up, it surprised, surprise is a milder word, it shocked him to the extent. Now we don't know how exactly he fell down and breathed his last. It just means he died. He died that very moment. So Anandayas died, we could interpret it in the natural way that maybe he had a heart attack because of the shock or this and that. So we don't know what were the physical responses of his body, his emotions. But when Peter recognized and called out what he had done, it was unbearable for him. So obviously something very evil has gone on behind the scenes. He couldn't take it. Hearing these words, he just fell down and he died. So people call it the judgment of God, judgment of God which came upon a person like Anandayas. So is it possible for a believer to be judged in this manner? No, we do know that the Bible talks about God's dealing with people who are caught up in sin to such an extent that they have crossed that thin line of no return. The Book of Hebrews talks about it and scriptures also refer to something known as a sin unto death in 1 John chapter 5 verses 16 and 17. There is, you know, okay. So anyway, judgment as far as judgment is concerned, even this kind of strict judgment is possible. But let us understand that it's an extreme scenario. So we wouldn't look at this as any and every transgression missing the mark will cause God to judge the believers in this manner. So it doesn't happen. We are under grace. We have been instructed by God's word to repent, to confess our sins, to trust in the power of the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. So that is the norm. But when, you know, we have a hardened conscience, it is possible for believers who have walked with the Lord, you know, for a long time to also fall back and go astray. So there are those extreme situations and in those times, you know, such judgments can happen even to believers. All right. So that's what happened to Ananya. So he fell down. He was so shocked that God even gave Peter the knowledge of his sin. Then that verse five, second part of that says, so great fear came upon all those who heard these things. Obviously, you know, when other believers heard about the judgment of Ananya's great fear came upon them. What kind of fear is this? See, it's a fear such that there is reverence towards God. There is an understanding of the nature of God.  He's a holy God. He's a just God. He's a righteous king. So as the people heard about what had happened to Ananya's, they would have understood that we are serving, you know, this mighty God. And we better not, you know, move away from the path of righteousness than God has called us to. And we've seen earlier in chapter four, we saw how the church had incredible favor with the people. So they had a good testimony with the people around. How do you get a good testimony by walking in integrity, by walking, you know, righteously? So they already had a good testimony. And so when they heard of things like this about the judgment that came upon unrighteousness, their fear of God would have increased further and, you know, hopefully their hearts would have turned towards God and they would have made a commitment that, okay, God, you know, such things should not happen in our community anymore. So great fear. And that also includes when I say reverence, there's also that sense of, you know, being terrified that, oh, judgment of this extent can also take place. Okay, so those who heard these things, great fear came upon them, verse six. And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out and buried him. It just shows the seriousness and the immediate way in which this judgment took place. That immediately young men or whoever, you know, could take care of a situation like this. They came and they had to go and actually bury unrighteous. Now, let's move on. Let's see what happened further. Verse seven, it was about three hours later. So remember that we have a doctor who is writing this account. So Luke writing about an incident like this. It's very, you know, it's intriguing because he doesn't explain further. He just says, Peter told Ananias what had happened. Ananias was shocked hearing these words. Well, so there's no more investigation or diagnosing. Hey, what are the, you know, what are those intricacies of, you know, the things that took place? No, he just leaves it at that. And the details, he says, about three hours later. So not very, you know, far away from this incident, you have his wife. Three hours later, his wife came in not knowing what had happened. So obviously, she does not know what has happened. What about Peter now? How is he going to deal with Safaira? Peter answered her, tell me whether you sold the land for so much. Okay, so what did we see earlier? Ananias gave an amount. It was not the full amount that he got after selling his property. He gave, he kept back a portion and he gave the remaining portion. So Peter is asking the wife this question. Tell me whether you sold the land for so much. The amount which has been given to me, is it the full amount? Or in other words, he's asking her, have you kept back anything? Okay, let's see the response of Safaira. She said, yes, for so much. It's really sad. In verse two, we saw that Ananias had kept back a portion, his wife also being aware of it. Okay, so she knew that this was not the full amount. But she lies to the apostles. Okay, so it really takes that sort of, I don't know what to call it. Such things can only be done when people don't fear God. You don't fear that God knows the end from the beginning. You don't fear him for being the righteous judge. You don't fear him for who he is, his majesty, his glory. We think we can get away with anything that we could even trick God. So it's a very dangerous position to be in. So Ananias tried to do it, no wonder. He was shocked when Peter told him, this is what you did, Ananias. And now the wife, she's in agreement with the husband. So there's nothing wrong in husband and wife being in agreement. But the matter in this case is an ungodly matter. So being in agreement over this matter is a very sad thing. At least in such a matter, hopefully, she had the fear of God. Excuse me. And she chose to do the right thing. Who knows? She might have had a very different future from this point on. But what did we read? Peter asked her, tell me whether you sold the land for so much. So just in a sort of a very bold way. She says, yes, so much. That's all. We brought everything to you. Verse 9. Then Peter said to her, how is it that you have agreed together to test the spirit of the Lord? He's accusing Sapphira of the same sin which he accused Ananias of. What is that? You lied to the Holy Spirit. In this case, he says, you agreed together to test the spirit of the Lord. See, then Peter had said that you lied to God.  Now he's saying spirit of the Lord. So the understanding in the early church about the person of the Holy Spirit, it was growing. So they were aware that the Holy Spirit, he is God. He is Lord. And so they lived in surrender, in adoration of the Holy Spirit. Just as much as they understood the deity of Jesus Christ and they preached it everywhere they went. Just as much as they worship the Father with their Jewish knowledge. So the Godhead, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, the early church had a good understanding of the Trinity. So in this passage, Peter is primarily talking about the response to the Holy Spirit. So whatever Ananias and Sapphira did, Peter is saying you didn't do it against the believers of the church or the church community. You have done it against the Holy Spirit. You have done it against God. So he rebukes her. He says, how can you test the spirit of the Lord? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door and they will carry you out. So he says that. Strange. Now again, Luke doesn't diagnose it. Medically, what happened? When Peter said this, do you think she had a heart attack? She had this that we don't know. But judgment came upon her and was tense as then immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. So what happened to her husband happened to her and scripture say, and the young man came in, found her dead and carried her out, buried her by her husband. Verse 11. So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things. So who God is, the person of God, the nature of God was like sort of, you know, like a deep understanding of that was with the early church. So when people heard these things, they would have understood this is a real God.  And as I told us, in times of revival, we might see great judgment also. So this is how things unfolded in the early church. And just want to remind us, you see earlier, we were looking at external problems. So you had people outside who said these men seem like they are drunk. You had the authorities rebuking Peter and John and telling them, don't ever proclaim this name again. Don't preach in the name of Jesus. So these are external threats, external pressures, external issues that the church had to face. And we saw a beautiful picture of the early church. There are people they are caring, they are praying in one accord. They have one voice, there is one voice. So a lot of good things about the community. But there are these internal issues as well. So in church communities, in church families, there can be internal issues at the end of the day. We are dealing with people, but we need the leading of God to be able to work out the internal issues or be able to face the external issues that come against us. So the church has to stand amidst all these things, external pressures, internal pressures. And the church of acts did, it stood. It stood, all these attacks or onslaughts, whatever you want to call it. So that's how things were in the community. So can we pause for a moment? I think we should, in case you have some comments after hearing what happened to an analysis of our questions. Okay, no questions. All right, then we can move forward. Okay, let's go to the next section in chapter 5 here. So after something like this takes place, what can we expect in the church community? From verse 12 to verse 16, you see a manifestation of God's glory at the next level. So I told us the church is in revival, the church is already in revival. But even after an incident like this, which is so scary, the power and the presence of God is, you know, it continues and it's very, very real. So Ananias and Sapphira died, great fear came upon all the people and the works of God continued in the church of Jerusalem. So verse 12, we read, through the hands of the apostles, many signs and wonders were done among the people. So God is moving powerfully. Okay, God is moving powerfully and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. Okay, notice earlier, we saw that they were meeting house to house, they were meeting in the temple. But now, more specifically, we are told about Solomon's porch. Solomon's porch, we saw how the lame man was healed and the people gathered in Solomon's porch. So it was like a, you know, calling it a larger space, a larger space. So now the believers were meeting in Solomon's porch because they had increased in number, so they needed a larger space to meet. And when they met in that place, the power of God, it continues to flow, many signs and wonders. I don't know why, you know, Luke is a very detailed writer, but maybe there are too many. So he just says, okay, many signs and wonders, he doesn't list them out. Many signs and wonders were done among the people. So it's a church filled with glory. Then he also said they were in one accord. So it continues to be a church with unity. Verse 13, yet none of the rest dare join them, but the people esteem them highly. So the fear of God was within the church and when the fear of God is within the church, we notice that people outside are also, you know, walking with the fear of God in a sense because they are esteeming the believers as, oh, they are God's people. They are people of integrity. They are people among whom God moves. So signs, wonders and miracles are taking place. So the believers are being highly esteemed by the outsiders. So that is the status of the church and the response of the people around. Verse 14, and believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of men and women. So this shows all the features of the church that I described, plus it's a growing church. People are still being added to the church family. Verse 15, so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. So the miracles are taking place, which is amazing. But the extent to which the miracles are taking place is something we must note.  Did this happen when Jesus was around? Yes, it happened. People were being brought from the nearby cities and they were being lined up for Jesus to heal them. They were being lined up because some people believed that they could touch the hem of his garment and the heal. So it was an amazing time when Jesus did his ministry and Jesus spoke to his disciples. Before his departure in John chapter 14 verse 12, he said, you shall do greater things than these. So Jesus was pointing to the fact that there will come days when those who believe in him will move in the signs, wonders and miracles that he himself has moved in and they will give testimony to the power of God. And in the book of Acts, you could say the disciples, you know, the first line of leadership that Jesus himself prepared by seeing the manifestation of what had been spoken. So very similar to Jesus' times, people were lining up for healings. People were lining up for the miraculous on the streets even. So the sick were brought. So you can only imagine, you can just imagine a picture. The city of Jerusalem, something is happening in the city. Earlier because of Jesus, you know, there was chaos in the city. Jesus' trial divided the city politically, spiritually in so many different ways. And now, once the disciples have started moving in the power of the Holy Spirit again, there is something taking place in the city in the name of Jesus. Lots of people are beginning to believe in him and this community of believers of Jesus is growing. They are moving in signs, wonders and miracles to the extent that, you know, if a Solomon's porch is the venue for church services, right outside, lots of sick people waiting so that they can receive from the ministry of the apostles. And it also seems like God was working in unusual ways. So people were actually expecting even the shadow of Peter to heal them. So would that have happened earlier? Maybe. Maybe it would have happened to some and that is why others were also waiting for Peter's shadow to fall and heal. So unusual miracles. We've talked about this. When the anointing of the Lord is through material substances or in this case, you know, a shadow. A shadow is not a substance, but we can't box God up. You know, God can work in any way he likes because he's God. Even the shadow of Peter, people were expecting that even if his shadow falls on us, we would be healed. So verse 16 also, multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem. So again, you can just think about the activity, the excitement in the city of Jerusalem that news went out to neighboring cities. And as if all the sick people in Jerusalem brought to the, you know, the church folk was not enough. Additionally, the sick people from other cities, the people who are tormented by unclean spirits, they also are being brought into the city of Jerusalem. You know, it's like, you know, sometimes when we have or rather we used to have here, it's not common anymore, but crusades and large gatherings.  So maybe I too will be. So something very similar where even from other cities, people were coming down to Jerusalem to receive from God. The beautiful part is the end of verse 16, it says, and they were all healed. Very similar to the way Jesus minister, you know, Matthew eight. They brought so many people in the evening, they brought people with all kinds of sicknesses Matthew describes. They were all healed. Jesus healed them all. And same thing, the same legacy continues with the early church when they whoever was brought, they were all healed. So the early church was moving in mighty power, science and wonders. It was a very, very powerful church when, you know, the spirit of God began to move upon them. So when such things are taking place, what response, you know, can we expect from the people we've seen earlier that there's generally a positive response, but there's also a negative response where people mock, people accuse people, you know, take action to kind of harm the apostles and God's people. So now with the church becoming so famous for the power of God in the city of Jerusalem, what kind of a reaction can we have from the authorities? So we're 17. Then the high priest rose up. Okay, so it looks like the issue of the church growing in this manner had reached its limit, you know, so to speak for the high priest. It was like enough is enough. I've heard too much about these followers of Jesus and you know, what they're up to. So the high priest rose up and all those who were with him. So the sector of the Sadducees and scriptures tell us that they were filled with indignation or they were angry. Obviously, because it's a threat to their position of authority in the city. So they were angry and verse 18 says they laid hands, their hands on the apostles and put them in the common prison. So earlier, who was put in the prison, we had Peter and John. But this time around, they brought the apostles it says. So, you know, our assumption is that probably 12 of them would have been there and they are all now been put in prison. So the reaction is definitely not a positive one. Why prison? Because a second time, they're going to see if they can stop what is being done in the name of Jesus. Okay, so how did Peter and John escape the last time? Peter and John were let go by the authorities. Primarily two notable things were in the passage of Acts 4. One was the boldness of Peter and John and they said, hey, come on, these are unlearned men. But how is it that they are so bold? So the boldness was something that they observed. And the second thing was the layman's healing of that miracle was notable. Nobody could question it. So the authorities were afraid that if at all they made it an issue that their position would be under. So it was a notable miracle or God's work was evident to the people around. Now we will see how they escape in this particular situation. So let's take a 10 minute break. We will come back and continue. We will pick up from Acts chapter 5 and verse 19. So see you in a bit. Thank you.


Racism is racial prejudice plus power in our country. Prejudice against people of color has been given power by being embedded in the systems and structures shaping everyday life. For people of color across many generations, racism has caused incalculable harm. Physical, financial, psychological, emotional, and spiritual. At the same time, for many white people, the insidious combination of racial prejudice and power has gone unnoticed or underestimated and frankly ignored, only adding to racism's destructive power. Racism is sinful. Its roots are in the brokenness of humanity. More over racism denies Imago Dei and all people. It is a form of evil and justice and oppression which we as baptized Christians are called to and have made a covenant with God and one another to resist. We must acknowledge that racism remains painful reality within the United Methodist Church. Good work has been done across the years to name and combat racism in the North Texas Conference but in many ways we are still in the early stages of our journey toward racial justice and we have hard work to do. So for the next 18 months, I envision the clergy and laity of the North Texas Conference taking the next step in this important journey toward justice. It will be an intentional step taken with forethought and prayer. It will be a bold step taken in the strong name of Jesus Christ, our Lord. It will be a step we take together. All of us in this room will have an essential part of life and it will be a step that proclaims we refuse to give racial prejudice power any longer. Ultimately, my vision is for our churches to create environments where every person feels value. My vision is for our systems and structures to be embedded not with prejudice but with truth and justice so that every person is treated fairly and is liberated from the sin of racism. My vision is for the North Texas Conference to become a beacon of light that chases away the shadows of racism lurking in our own communities in which we live and work. The details for the next step that will get us from here to there and beyond are still taking shape. And thus far the vision and plan have been shaped in large part by many rich conversations with my clergy colleagues of color in this conference. And this has been critical. So very soon I'll be forming a diverse team to further develop and guide the work moving forward. You'll be hearing from them in the coming months. The next step has also been informed by the faithful work of the General Commissioner on Religion and Race. We'll share with you that that plan will not only, you will know about it before annual conference but will be adopted by the annual conference. I pray to God unanimously that that happens. What I can share today is that the next step will have three facets and I believe those who are being passed out are having passed out to you and will do that in any way. These three facets supporting and leading viral conversations, developing culturally competent leaders and three promoting institutional equity and racial justice within the Church. More information about each of these facets of the developing plan is being handed out in any way. So these are the action steps over the next few weeks, months together. Those of the viral conversations which are listed there and they call us, those conversations call us to engage one another in conversations about racism, cultural diversity and institutional justice in ways that are candid, respectful, holy and transformational. The intercultural competence which we've worked on and backed off at times will be this, the vision of intercultural competence calls us to cultivate leaders with the skills and awareness to make disciples across cultures so that the North Texas Conference will be more diverse and better reflect our mission for you. And last, institutional equity. The vision of institutional equity calls us to build systems, policies and processes in the North Texas Conference that levels the playing field for all of you. I do want to say just another personal word here. There were like several months, and I would even go longer than that. There have been people whom I will not name today who've been significant conversation partners. I did mention Bishop Palmer earlier, but there are a number of people in our own annual conversation. I'll say that they come from many different cultures. And I want to say a special word to young people in my mind. Frankly, they do better at this than we do. And I think we should be grateful to them because, and I'm not calling you children so don't anybody get out of shape here. I'm deeply reminded of that verse from Isaiah, that little child shall lead them. And the voices of the young in terms of racism have taken this conversation at least for me in a very different place than it had ever been. And that would not have been possible with them. And the times I talk about young clergy is that it's the be all end all. Well, nothing's the be all end all except for the Christ himself. But I will say the young clergy both anglo and after a minute have been more helpful than they know in the ongoing conversation. I'm grateful for their own collegiality with each other and their patience with so many of us.