on right then when you do it last second like this but it's okay you know what you know Steve we're live on the metal voice uh and for those of you who don't know Steve uh Loopy Newhouse he is the uh former killer part of the killer crew or roadie r and main roadie from the years uh 79 to 84 from Ruskin arms to power slave and in between right like here and there on and I was of the killer crew number one killer crew number one you're like the first guy hired like your badge number said one yeah yeah that would have been nice usually um like I just told you this offline usually I like to build things up a little bit but since you are free today and I was free today we're gonna do this and you're in the UK and I'm in Canada thought you know in both countries that's right I thought you know what let's do this today give somebody some people some some cool ironman stuff to watch you're all good because you know I got I got the ricochet off my forehead and you know as we're talking there's people commenting so uh Don and and if I stop you it's not because I'm being rude if I look here it's just I'm looking at the people sort of chatting so far don't jump on yeah don't jump on and says all right so my friend let's build this up a few years back you came out with a book it was called Steve loopy new house it was loopy world the iron maiden years covering of course the years from 79 to 84 you were their number one killer crew and maybe you just want to talk to me about you know the idea of writing a book you know you're part of the band early years got a lot of inside scoops the idea to write the book and how did the book materialize um to cut a long story short um working with uh my friend Steve Goldby for uh from that talk um he phoned me up and said how do you feel about writing a column for us and after I wrote the first um it received a lot of great comments so I wrote the second the third full I think I did about about 16 episodes to start with and and then someone else approached me from Belgium and said you know have you ever thought about turning this into a book well at that point I hadn't I had no idea um so I thought right I'll start writing the book and just see how it develops the gentleman I'm not going to mention any names but the gentleman involved um he had this idea of writing a minor book but you wanted it like um like a seven inch sort of square to represent the single and that didn't appeal to me at all because some of the pictures I had were was bigger than that you know they needed to be expressed so anyway because we couldn't make ends meet we um that all fell apart um and then it was a friend of Derek Riggs who uh who jumped in and took over and so I like I amazingly I'd managed to find my diaries by going back to all at that time and I thought I forgot I hadn't had them um and I using the diaries I rearranged everything that I did on on metal talk and eventually came up with a book found a load of old photos original photos that I'd kept um sent them over to the guy and he he basically put the book together um and blessing but I'd again I can't mention his name but I did put a credit for him on the on the actual inside on the thanks list and he actually took it out because he didn't want anything to like he didn't want to be represented um by that point Derek Riggs had um um he did the artwork for me and that was that was solely for me that that is now that artwork is now mine that is now being used in Italy um Finland the Germany um where the book is being translated into their respective languages um but yeah I mean that that was how it all came about and I've got to admit I'm very uh very happy with the uh the final product yes yeah you know it's pretty cool because we see or we we've read you know books by Iron Maiden we get their perspective but now we're getting perspective from somebody on the inside right and you couldn't be more inside than you know killer crew number one right and I'm sure he looked that's it and I'm sure if you look back the and back of all the first Iron Maiden albums your name is mentioned there I believe right on all the credits and the thanks yeah I'm on the first um I'm on four of the first five albums yeah that's pretty big and and then got another mention on the latest albums as well all right so let's talk about your time I don't want to give it all away because I want people to pick up the book you can buy it on Amazon you can buy it pretty yeah I don't give it all away I mean you know if they want more read the book right uh Amazon you know on your website Steve Loopy Newhouse or Loopy World I believe I can't remember the year it's yeah it's loopyworld.uk yeah there you go you go there for all the cool information Steve Goldman and t-shirts yeah and t-shirts there you go I know Steve so he's a good guy and you know um it's all cool so all right your your your tenure or I guess your time with the band started in 79 and because you went to school Paul 78 sorry uh you started with Paul Diano right it was with Paul yeah and you went to school with him yes indeed yeah I mean basically we've known each other since we were around about 10 10 years old no originally I was going with the different school about five miles away but when uh when I was 11 me and Paul started going to the same schools and we were together right from the age of 11 as I said said to you like before we went on went live there used to be a group of about 20 to 30 of us all sort of hanging about because we all lived lived on one estate excuse me and um we all sort of got to know each other that way and then me and Paul sort of became really really chummy and went off and did our own thing and um yeah I mean we just stayed friends all the way through it Paul's a funny guy like I've always enjoyed Paul sense of humor you know was he a funny guy back then too yes yeah I mean he's always funny but he's not new his parents his parents were funny as well so it's obviously like you know he's picked that up same as I got my sense of humor from my dad I've just expanded it but yeah I mean yes I mean we went to school and just generally hung around together all the time but when Paul just said hey I'm a singer were you like kind of like I didn't see that coming or it was like no he used to thought whenever we went to each other's houses we'd always go in into the bedroom where you know all right he shared a bedroom with his brother or brothers and um I used to share a bedroom with my brother so like we'd go to each other's bedrooms but not in times that's him we were left alone and Paul used to sing along with like whatever records playing and he would be listening to stuff like um Bob Marley, Bob Dylan I mean he would always sing along and uh it was no surprise really when you know first of all he got a job at the bank called Rock Candy, a neighbor of Essex, a sort of Essex-based band and he started singing with them and it was astonishing he realized he had such a good range yeah and then he um it was it was through a mutual friend that he ended up getting a job with Maiden but that's in the book you can read about it there you're gonna read about in the book that'll be the catchphrase of the day right say what you did it's all good you know you don't want to give it all away right all right Hiroshi says and again I'm gonna read these comments Hiroshi says man this guy is a legend he meets all the great people who was fantastic in our Maiden, Deanna, Stratton, Clive Burr, etc. John Doe is saying up the Irons Maiden forever cheers Lupi and Tom saying hello hello how's everybody doing all right and thank you everyone uh um so all right so Paul's in the bad and I guess by default you're coming along with him right and and how did that work yeah I mean that's another story that he's expanded on in the yeah short short form high level high level yeah yeah yeah be done otherwise you know that's not a sentence that I might have missed but um yeah basically I mean Paul was just getting bored of going to the studio on his own and he asked me to go along I went along helped out and stayed it's as simple as that okay all right right place right time what was Paul's thinking goes hmm Steve what do you think should I join this band or should I what do you think were you were you aware of Irons Maiden like performing oh yeah yeah I mean they were well known in the area yeah because obviously the old beings were these London boys there were points to go all over the place and I didn't realize until after then again good old diaries um that when Iron Maiden did their first ever gig with Paul Day at the Carton Horsies I was there I was there because you know Paul kept coming up he'd come up and say to him make sure you did the gig tonight and as he turned out I went with another friend of mine and we both went along to the Carton Horsies and um we had no money between us absolutely no money so he only stayed for a point and um and then we left but it was it was also quite a bit of a walk um but yeah I actually saw Iron Maiden do their very very first gig at the Carton Horsies and around the east end of London they they were well known and we also knew that they were looking for a new singer and again it's it's just like Paul being in the right place at the right time um uh we met up with his mutual friend Trevor who uh he said oh Steve irons is over there and he's going to go and have a word he was gone about five minutes and he comes back and says um Steve wants to have a chat with him so Paul goes okay hold me point so I'm standing like a tit in a trance over two two points and um Paul goes over there as he's chatting he comes back and he says I've got an audition for wins tonight and uh of course like Paul went off had the audition and passed with flying colors um whether I saw it come in don't know because at that time I mean Maiden were a pub they were really well known yeah and to take Paul on you know they're not even knowing what he sounded like but obviously Trevor vouched for him and gave him high praise and we're wasting it something yeah so so just for everybody who who don't didn't follow the saga of our in Maiden they started off uh with Paul Day Paul Mario Day right then they had Dennis Wilcox as the singer and then Paul Diano was the singer off the first recorded officially recorded tracks so that's just the timeline for people so you saw our in Maiden at their infancy or the inception with Paul Mario Day who had a great voice too but he just didn't have that he just didn't have that diano sort of charm he didn't have um a presence you know when I saw him at the Carl and Halsey's all Paul Day did there's a part where he was the fact he was singing he'd walk around in circles around his mic stand but that was that was about it um if I remember right he also wore a top hat which didn't do him any favours but I think it was just to hide the ball bit so so enter so now you you're kind of Paul Diano's got into the band and again you know we're gonna just quick answers we don't want to give it all away Paul Diano's in the band now you're saying now you've seen the first show with Paul Diano you're what what what are what are the the fans reaction what is your reaction like what you're saying oh man this is like now we're on another level here it was um it's quite astonishing that the first gig made and did with Diano's as seeing her was at the bridge house in canning town and there were a few fans there but not that many three nights later or two nights later in fact um on saturday night we did the Ruskin arms Paul's first show and the place was absolutely packed and it's been recorded there was over 400 people yeah now replaced that you know it's comfortable with about 200 400 was you know it was squeezed together and um there was no bad reviews you know everybody actually had a great time and that's the footage that we see on iron maiden documentary part one right that the Ruskin arms is that that's not Paul's first gig is it no no no I was later on I was later on the record company started getting involved yeah that's do stuff like that you know sort of promote the band yeah yeah yeah all right so it comes up Paul's doing well here and now you know Doug Samson is in the band right the original drummer right were you around I guess if Paul's in the band they started doing some demos right they started doing uh in invasion right invaders invasion invasion right they did uh what's the other one uh my mind I'm forgetting about this now were you around when they're sort of demoing the the you know uh burning a burning ambition that's it burning a big invasion yeah that was all done that's um I think both those tracks you mentioned were recorded an invasion I think wasn't that done that's um originally that was done at Cambridge Spacewalk Studios that was all part of the the uh Prowler demo yes that's the one they actually took out to the record companies um were you around there at that time I was there they were very recorded down here yeah it's two days in a very very cold studio again it's all in the book it's all right Tommy says Prowler and iron maiden I'm not sure about that statement Jefferson says Paul uh Kearns isn't credited on the sound house tapes lineup was Paul Paul Kearns Paul Kearns was he was he there on the sound house yes he was he was yeah it was it just uh dynamics between the band and just not kind of telling everybody that he was involved in the project or the official story is the the official story is that because he left the band there was no point in putting him on like yeah showing that he had part something to do with it but he obviously did I mean anybody fell listening to it especially through headphones you've got Dave's distinct distinctive sound and on the other side you've got somebody that sounds like Dave Gilmour just not quite as good you know it's um it is two distinctive sounds and plus the fact that when you listen to the opening of Prowler it was Paul Kearns playing the guitar okay yeah yeah what do you think of Doug Sampson I've interviewed Doug I think two times I love Doug yeah I love him it was funny they're talking about Paul Kearns I hadn't seen Doug for many many years probably about 20 years and we met up in hospitality in 2010 the O2 Arena obviously made and then I hadn't seen him for ages and of course you know up to that point I've been asked questions about uh that Paul Kearns and I said Doug do you remember Paul Kearns you went no but yeah that's a sad Paul was Paul was there but yes say Dougie's uh Dougie's a great guy yeah yeah easy he's a really nice guy um then of course the Soundhouse tapes after burning ambition and invasion um the Soundhouse tapes with uh Prowler guys help me out here Prowler Strangler which are in made in Prowler and Invasion right and Strange World was sort of nixed or just sort of not released because the quality wasn't up to par now the band's getting momentum what are you doing at this point with the banner you just kind of like helping out with the equipment logging and bringing stuff around we were still um we were still well in fact we hadn't even started gigging when we did the demo um the first gig we we actually offered was by uh Neil Kaye at the um at the heavy he's my cousin he's my cousin Neil Kaye no it would surprise me I think he's a different spelling though he's got a knee on the end of code um um yeah we were actually offered the first gig there and like Dougie was the only one that actually turned around and went no too soon and Harry Pet like just sort of went in the panic mode um Dave Murray went great it's a typical Murray because he's just so laid back um Dougie yeah he turned around and didn't know it was too soon and he was right you know once everybody sat down and thought we threw they agreed with Doug so basically they put that off but I think it's probably within a month they actually went into the uh sound house okay yeah and your role are you know like your role what are they okay I guess what it's just an organic sort of relationship right like you know they're starting off band and they need someone to help them out right and and your role becomes you know the first roadie we'll call it right by the time we actually started doing live shows um there was there was four of us um we had Vic Vic Vello who used to drive the Green Goddess yeah well he and uh Pete Bryant Pete Bryant used to go up with the guitars I used to go after the drums you got Dave Lights and Vic Vello used to do the sound but all of us used to chip in to get the equipment like in the venue set up and then take it down and get it back into the van afterwards that was down to all of us okay uh and and Jefferson's asking could loopy remember the origins of Prodigal Son no what what songs do you remember being there if any before Paul Diano joined um I am Maiden obviously um Prowler uh Sanctuary oh good um Charlotte yeah I think Charlotte the Harlot yeah I mean Transylvania family opera and for a lot of people who don't know this the first album the second album we're a collection of songs that they've been writing prior you know from the inception of the band back and the first yeah basically the first two albums were the stuff that we used to do on the road from 1979 onwards yeah yeah with a few edit extras I mean they're running free and remember tomorrow were written specifically for the first album yeah yeah yeah yeah but uh stuff they didn't use on the first album went on to the second stuff like Rothschild I mean that that was an old track that goes back to uh uh Dennis Wilcox died as the Rothschild in fact I think yeah Paul died you know I mean Thunderstick who I've interviewed as well uh you know Barry Perkis um you know he he you know even has real to real demos of these songs and now we're talking about like from Dennis Wilcox jam sessions right yeah 1977 types yeah yeah that's right so all right so now they're looking for a guitarist and enter Dennis Stratton we all know the story about Dennis Stratton you know he comes in did you get along with him or you I would assume he's a nice guy I love that man yeah I love a great guy he's a great guy um I mean Dennis recently had a um a 40th anniversary of being um in the um in the heavy metal side of the music industry and um I was invited along and it was a very special event it was almost like um like this is your life like never video clips like from various people um a lot of like West Ham fans or always old West Ham players actually sent in videos for Dennis sort of like just saying congratulations and this came from some of the top West Ham players Trevor Brook and Jeff Burris Tony Cotty um and um various film stars uh Ray Winstone people's on there as well and then there was a whole bunch of people that actually sort of turned up a couple of members of uh prayer mantis were there um it was a very very special event like Burr's wife Mimi she was there yeah yeah yeah yeah well I mean Dennis I've interviewed and you know he's given me his you know he you know I you could feel his presence on that first album too right um yeah enter Derek Riggs right I mean who I've I've I've spoken to his wife Kim and uh he seems like he's like yeah and tell me about um you know what did you think of his artwork when you first you know like you know Iron Maiden I mean Eddie has has become the most iconic figure in music right yeah to uh to close a quote he's a monster but um Derek Derek's artwork stood out I mean we were given all of the band should I say we're given a bunch of um images to look through for the artwork and Derek's work stood out like you wouldn't believe everybody went that one um but at the time um Eddie had on the original picture Eddie has short hair so it was sort of sent back to Derek and he was basically told this is what we want but we want Eddie to have longer hair so it looked more like a punk and then all of some more like heavy metal fan and um and that's exactly you know what they wanted what you see on the album cover now unless he's been touched up and I don't know about it he's you know he's what he came back with yeah yeah I mean to me the first time I've ever seen you know I I'm sure it was either killers or made in Japan you know I just it was just it in a record store it was just it stood out right for any anything else yeah I mean congratulations to Derek Riggs I know that he's no longer with the group but I mean did you have a relationship with Derek like were you friends or I've only met Derek once and that was it's um that was in Nassau when Maiden were recording power slides okay and he'd gone out there to do the artwork for the cover and also for the single artwork for Oceans High okay and um um he decided that um there was too much humidity so he ended up flying back to London and he finished off the artwork there but that was the only time I ever met Derek I've I've I've chat with his wife I'm not gonna say often but occasionally okay but Kimmy and Derek have both been a great help to me like yeah some great artwork on the cover yeah all right so exit Doug Samson enter Clive Burr were you kind of like shocked I mean Doug what's going on here was was it more like he pushed him out or devastated but it was um it was a mutual thing I mean Doug knew that the band were getting bigger and I don't think health-wise I don't think he could he could cope with it um and we were in the studio for probably a couple of weeks and I'm sitting there twiddling my thumb as anyone knows they're doing this where the rest of the band were playing and then like Dennis came in and he was with us for a couple of days and he went I know a drummer and I think within two days Clive Burr came in yeah and um the space was there for his kit and he came in with his own kit sat down and started joining him with what the band were doing and they could see straight away you know this guy is phenomenal yeah and um yeah I mean it was a shock to see Dougie go but then it was also great to see Clive come in you know what and it's only the sort of the natural progressions of bands as they move from the garage band or the pub band to a national or international band right you know there's this organic sort of uptick right and it happens with all bands it happens with all bands you've got to have the right members to go the extra step you've got to have the right people yeah and at that point Maiden had the right people yeah yeah so what were your first impressions of Clive did you see him play before or did you what did you think about him I had no idea no idea so um never seen him play and apparently he'd been in a couple of bands that I'd heard of um Samson I think was one of them yeah yeah um but um yeah never seen him never seen him play and then he came in and started thrashing around his kit and in that sort of quiet moment I went Jesus you know those things you see this what are they for you know he's absolutely right doesn't matter if you make a dent in your in your snare skin you know that can be replaced but he's there to be hit and to prove a point I think I actually mentioned this in the book as well after all I'll give it all away I'm not saying a word pasty in Switzerland developed a symbol specifically for drummers like Clive called Rude and I think I think Nico McBrane uses a rude symbol now um but they were developed specifically for hard hitters and we set the drum kit up in the studio and Clive went right let's try these out so we fitted all these rude symbols and Clive went around the kit and hit his symbol so hard a chunk of it flew across the studio and Clive went well that's gonna have to go back so we ended up sending all the symbols back to basically saying very nice but and they redeveloped it and sent this back another batch which worked perfectly but um yeah I think if it wasn't for Clive you wouldn't have the rude symbol you've got now so Tom Tom who's a drum you know is a friend and he's a part of the metal voice you know he says yes pasty rude symbols are fantastic Marchie says hello stopping in beer hounds beer reviews testament blew my mind I still can't get over them I don't know what that comment means and proud 22 loopy did you go behind the iron curtain to Poland in 1984 we're gonna get to that that we're gonna get to the stupid answers dude okay well there you go then we won't get to it all right so that's not in the book that's not in the book it's in the next book someone else that's on the college trust me all right so made it now you know you have Dennis you have Clive did just see anything from Clive like he's parting too much or he's a little too wild that led to sort of his his his his dismissal later on because of the constant arguments but I'm not going to say arguments um he would give me a ticking off because the the kit wasn't set up right now I can defend him to a certain point he got to the point where it was somebody else that he noticed what he was doing I was setting up the kit the way it should be it was almost so couldn't be wrong and he would come in and he'd move something over there and he'd move something over there because it wasn't how he wanted and he might be sitting there playing he'd move that back to where it was he'd move that back to where it was and I didn't see him do that but during a sound check he would rip my ass he'd really really he'd give me a right verbal crap you know he's saying how you you've done it wrong again and if you don't get it right I'm gonna fire and at the end of the Japanese tour in 81 he got his wish he fired me and well he got me fired by Tony Wiggins the tour manager um but it wasn't it as I said it wasn't me that noticed what he was doing it was a couple of lighting crew you know obviously they've got nothing better to do what do you mean by like did you just find that what the touring was getting to him was it this early sign of ms what was it was it I have asked this question um in fact I asked these wife Mimi because Mimi also suffers from ms wow she controls it yeah um whereas Clive at the time we don't know if um if medically that was a sign we don't know um but um as I said I can only defend him so far but look look I mean he's not here to defend himself all we can say is you know what what great what a great drummer that's what we can say when I met him again at Sir Clive Aid I know that was around about 2000 and about 2008 that the royal standard being walked from so um I met him now and that was a Clive Aid benefit and Clive turned up and that was the first time I've seen him in 20 22 or 25 years and we chatted like you know we'd only seen each other the day before it was bizarre but um obviously like you could tell then that he was in trouble yeah being that wheelchair everywhere and it was heartbreaking it's heartbreaking I'm sure it was I'm sure it was and what a legend he was I saw him on the the number the beast tour spot on my friend spot on he was incredible that night he was just incredible uh and he always and in interviews he always came across as a nice friendly person you know nothing against the guy whatsoever in fact um I started working for Bernie Miles in Alaska in 1985 um of course Clive had been out in the band for a couple of years and he was doing a one of his drum clinics at the Marquis Club in London and he phoned me up and asked me if I could go and help him out because he had nobody else to do it for him but of course I'd started working with Bernie Miles and we were doing production with us it was somewhere else in London and you know I was being paid by them so I went and did that yeah but um as I said you know it's a real shame he was a fantastic drummer yeah yeah yeah it's a real shame it was you know I was kind of like taken back when they let him go you know after number the beast uh I was really taken back you know I was you know following Aaron Maiden you know from the Viano era and you know suddenly he's not there anymore it was really shocking for me um anyways I was really surprised as well I mean when I found out that Nico joined the band I mean I was I was hardly surprised by that because he made the time to let you bump into Nico on the road oh okay trust quite amazing that's all in the book all right so first album first album comes out right it's released uh you know it's just taking the UK by storm and the rest of the world as an import by storm you know um they're open up I I guess it was Judas Priest and Kiss right in the UK those tours you are part of the tour still correct no we didn't open for kiss in the UK um we open for kiss in Europe made them too big to open for kiss in the UK ah okay all right gotcha so you were part of the the crew back then too right that's not the point where you were like and what were the pros and cons of that tour with the Judas Priest and Kiss let's say uh Judas Priest obviously um I mean we've been out and done our own tour prior to that and uh and we cut that tour off and joined Judas Priest and uh obviously you know it was massive exposure around the rest of the country it's you know we've done smaller venues and some in some of the bigger towns bigger cities around the UK um but um the exposure we got from doing Judas Priest was huge yeah was there was there this headbutting that was going on because I remember Paul Paul was telling me or I or maybe it was Rob Halford was telling me or it was in his book you know where Paul used to say something what did he say on stage he said you know we're gonna blow them off the stage was that it no no he the real story is and again he's in the book but I will explain um Paul had done an interview with Sounds magazine about a week I think it was a week prior to the tour uh saying that we were gonna blow Priest off the stage and K K picked up on that and K K wouldn't talk to any of the band or crew all the way through it that's um that's rock and roll well I was going to say that K K has issues um I'll leave you there well you know and I do maybe it was in K K's book that I read it and I interviewed K K afterwards and that's kind of but they they seem to be friendly now I mean everything's cool between K K and the bridge and it's yeah it's all yeah it's years ago and oh yeah because when I spoke to Paul he told me to say hi to K K and then K K has told me to say hi to Paul so I mean it's gone it's gone that was back when I mean the rest of the band the rest of the band were were fine with us um I think it was Aris's birthday while we were on tour and um we were in Sheffield and we had a night off and all the Priest guys turned up in this vulva and tried to drive it through the hotel foyer um and uh but it was in Rob um and the rest of the band all turned up a whole bunch of the crews turned up and of course we got to know the crew really well because they worked with us on our own tour they went out and did Judas Priest and then they came back out with us when we picked up the Metal from Others tour after the Judas Priest tour yeah um so we knew a lot of the crew and uh yeah we did it it was a great tour great tour you know what and then when they went um just skipping ahead a little bit and then the Killers tour Judas Priest made it was opening up for a Judas Priest and the Killers tour in the U.S. or in North America yeah um but I mean ever since the bands have not ever since the bands haven't toured together at least to my memory afterwards unless it was a festival or something but the festivals were maybe the only time they've ever been together since as far as I know as far as I know too I mean was there any signs that okay this is not working with were they scared that our men were just too of a powerful force or that did that scare them a bit well to think about like what happened with Kiss and how things turned around there we go out and support Kiss who were massive in Europe absolutely massive then all of a sudden Maiden can go to go to the USA and have Kiss support then he said how quickly did that turn around you know that day he's frightening just goes to show that at the time like how big Maiden were getting when you being part of it was it just like so exciting to see this this band just take it over the world it was mad um Pete Bryant who um who was one of the early roadies with me the early killer crew he looked at as I said he used to look after the guitars so he looked after Dave and Dennis and um we met up to go to Clive Burn and Pete said let me tell you realize he said from our first gig at the Ruskin Arms to our first headline show at the Rainbow Theatre was nine months and it was like what from going to sort of 400 people that squeezed into a small pub it's blaming 3000 people at the Rainbow Theatre was nine months and it's like that kind of information is staggering yeah it blew me away I was there so okay so first albums out tours are happening and then suddenly okay we all know the story about Dennis Stratton I mean it's been said like you know hundreds of times there's just some sort of musical differences or I guess he didn't fit in personality wise with the band but whatever the case is we know the story of Dennis Stratton it's been repeated many many times and enter Adrian Smith a friend of Dave Murray's you know uh did that sort of kind of like throw you off you know not what happened but the decision to get rid of Dennis the decision to get rid of Dennis devastated everybody in fact I think that was one of the reasons behind um Pete Bryant leaving um so when Avian came in he ended up with complete completely roadie that Tony Wiggins had found but yeah Dan leaving was was a massive blow but of course everybody knew Adrian yeah so him sort of joining was was so natural and of course for Dave it was his dream partner yeah they were friends and I guess for people don't know again they were friends from before and he was originally asked to be the guitarist uh before Dennis was in the band so I mean it was sort of this natural evolution several times and he kept turning it down and eventually because there wasn't much happening with Adrian he saw it as a big chance and he went for it yeah were you around when were you around when they recorded uh Killers the album when they were there was was Samson in the other studio like nearby where they're recording their album like with Bruce Dickinson so they're like I read no no Killers album was recorded in a very very small it was a very small single studio um in the back streets of Wheelsden in London um I think the studio was called battery but I can't remember yeah I don't remember either if somebody out there who's watching remembers what the stupid could they just pull up the the Killers credits and tell us where it was recorded that'd be cool go ahead um but as I said here there was a single studio I mean there was like middle doors opened you can load your gear straight in doors closed everything soundproofed that you know that that was it but Samson like I was reading in the sound room and that was it because I was reading online you know they were talking about as our main was recording it was battery studios thank you Jerson I was reading online that as they were recording Killers Dickinson was with Samson his band recording whatever album was you know that they recorded at the time I don't remember offhand maybe they were just in close vicinity I don't know but did you see Samson anywhere like around the corner or no where did these rumors start from I wish I knew I even heard rumors that uh Bruce Dickinson was don't forget that Maiden do like to build up a big story okay now as far as I'm concerned um there was no way they could be in battery studios at the same time because the studio was too small there was only one studio there it was shock tactics by the way thank you Jefferson shock tactics was recorded the same time maybe they were uh recording when like maybe you know Monday Tuesday Maiden was recording and on Wednesday shock tactics tactics was being recorded I don't know I don't know I'm just here to clarify but as you did not see Samson you did not see any members of Samson nobody I without shades I had no idea um so what would you think you're there Martin Birch is like cracking the whip on everyone and you know what did you think which this oh wow this he's taking it to the next level it was recorded really quickly okay recorded really quickly I think I actually logged it as um actually the studio time was less than two weeks because you know they've been playing the songs live for for long enough all that I do is go in and record it then like Paul does his backing vote was a detail so those were done it was done quick yeah Paul Diano told me that you know he learned a lot from Martin you know teaching him how to you know really sing you know better you know and you and he took and he tells me from the stuff that he learned in on the killers recording you know he used it later on in life for all it might as well with Gilliam yes yes and Dio yeah of course you know and then you go Paul Weiss well I don't know about Dio was that Dio no maybe not Dio oh with uh sorry Heaven in Hell uh the Black Sabbath yes yes yes yes yes yes so you know he knew what he wanted to get out of them and then taking that experience to Diano and even Bruce to sort of extend you know look at this so Jefferson saying here that Bruce said he went to the room to watch them record killers it's very possible because while we were there um we were getting ready to go out and do it school so chances are I might not have been there okay so if I'm out shopping you know buy another 500 bloody drumsticks then it's very possible so it's still possible there's a there's a chat there's a possibility that this actually did happen I haven't heard I haven't heard I even oh coffee time I haven't heard or read online somewhere that Bruce actually did some scratch tracks on Twilight Zone I believe now I I that's a rumor that's completely a rumor I don't know I don't know what was again that's the first one that yeah yeah but again I don't want to start this rumor I just kind of read it online and maybe it's completely false it could be completely false yep it's it'll be in my book it'll be in my book things that never happened yeah rumors boy all right all right so killers is recorded it's released how much of that tour were you part of now they're coming to North America um I did the um we did a short um British tour towards the end of 1980 with Adrian just to sort of introduce him to the crowd if you like I think it was something like 11 shows it was it was all sort of very bang bang bang very fast they then recorded the album and then we got ready to go out to do the the UK killers tour um we've trust supporting again Nick on the brain on drawing drums that's right yeah there's that name again um then shortly after the uh the British tour we went out to do Europe um but some of the shows towards the end of the european tour like Scandinavia got cancelled because the uh the Japanese tour come up and back in those days everything was shipped by by sea so that's why Scandinavian dates were were cancelled to all our equipment at the go by sea um so our gear went out there um uh we went and did the Japanese tour and at the end of the Japanese tour that's when Clive got his wish and I was fired we then flew from Japan to Seattle some of the state in Seattle and did a little bit of fishing um and then we flew down to Los Angeles and I was there for about another four or five days and then flying back to the UK and that's where I finished that league okay and that was um that was around about June all right in this time period did you hear anybody like you know you're standing there and maybe you overhear a conversation as hey we've got to get Bruce in the band or have you did the band sort of internally start talking about things maybe be no no was Paul getting that because Paul said you know he kind of uh you know he he got fed up was he he doesn't come across to me as someone who would miss gigs and not take it seriously maybe I'm wrong I don't know like that's their story right I can't speak for first-hand experience but I can um relay various comments that were made about the uh the crew were getting fed up with them to carry him off stage little things like that that was sort of being talked about um that was during the American tour obviously then they came back and went back into Europe and going back to the question about the iron curtain um I know Paul was there for that but I wasn't so that's not in the book that's not in the book I can only write about what I knew about no point in making it up you know by all me you make something up in a book and people are gonna go well it's all bullshit the alternate iron maiden book the alternate universe the room is the rumors book by Jimmy K um so in your time in with the band on the killers tour now or you know whatever you were involved you did not hear anything like things like okay Paul just he can't take us to the next level or because for me what I remember and I you know I started you know getting into the band with Paul in the band it was that was one of the attractions to me to get into our main was Paul Deano's voice I was huge you know with the music it just combined together it was just a force to be reckoned with it was massive I mean it is a shame that the first album didn't do him credit it was such a badly produced album I love it I don't know I thought the production was great I I'm just maybe I'm just weird like that I don't know it stands that's the time because you're on your own I have the album you know and I put it on and I just how's this like there's some bands that record poorly to the point where you can't even listen to that album but this is an album where it's recorded good enough it captures the essence of that youth it's funny it's funny now me and the wife were on holiday a few years ago and I have to have the first album on my computer and we'd been to see Dennis Stratton and Dave Edwards doing what they call a duo at the crown in Hall Church they play there every first Sunday of the month they still do even now but the pandemic thing is is quieting down like they're still there and during this set they play Phantom of the Opera and I played the version from the first album to my wife because she went now Den and Dave's version is better unless from somebody who never heard the album yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna tell you something when I talk to Dennis you know I think he was if you listen to the demos and then you listen to the first album you could see that Dennis Stratton influence even though he didn't record this or write the songs years ago there is that influence of the back vocals the harmonies there's he took it to a next level and I think they could have done just as well with him that they did with our Adrian Smith but there was one particular evening where Dennis and Will Malone and the engineer I can't remember his name it wasn't Will Green they stayed in the studio one night trying to improve the vocals yeah when Dennis and Rod heard the vocals the following day they went oh well Rod you know you just imagine oh bloody sounds like queen yeah yeah they actually scraps all the Dennis's back vocals yeah otherwise Dennis told me he wanted to recreate that like the sort of the vision that he had and I thought that was pretty cool but it never happened yet okay maybe it'll happen one day but hats off to Dennis Stratton you did a great but that's that's where Lionheart comes in yes yes Lionheart is doing what he wanted yeah and he's you know he's getting it right every time you're Lionheart yeah no super talented guy Dennis Stratton super talented yeah yeah um so Paul Diano you know you're not it you're not with the crew anymore and he's kind of let go it was a blow to me it was a blow it was a big huge blow to me it was a huge blow to my friends because this is the band we it was funny you were being at home and not expecting to knock on the door and I open the door and Paul's standing there it's like aren't you supposed to be somewhere he went no I've quit which is that's his version um um I think I don't know where we jumped or he was pushed but we ended up sort of hanging out together again and that's when we started putting together um what was the name of the band uh Lion Wolf oh Lion Wolf yeah yeah Lion it was a Lion Wolf no what was it called sorry Lone Wolf Lone Wolf that's it yes yes yes that's when we started putting all that together but um I mean again all that story is in the book it's actually quite a funny story um we'll save it for the book yep it's in the book um but so so Paul's out and of course it's kind of like uh you know everybody's perspective here like Bruce is saying well they were talking to me you know because they wanted to get rid of Paul and then Paul's saying well I don't really want to be in the band anymore because of this and that and then you know there's two different sides of the story and probably somewhere in the middle it just didn't work right so it's a shame I would have one more album with Paul I would have liked one more album with Paul I don't think the number of the bass with Paul would have worked I don't know about that I don't think it would have got that much success but I think it would have been a great I could hear Paul singing the number the beast the song really yeah yeah because it's a lower register it's not as high as people think it is like Run to the Hill is a high register but but if you listen I think what happens is when when songwriters write they usually write for the voice of their singer you know and you could see that number the beast still had that sort of Paul Deanna with raw melody lines whereas peace of mind went off to another level it's more like a Bruce voice if you understand what I'm saying I think it's maybe sort of Bruce got a bit more of his own way melody lines on on peace of mind yeah whereas everything was already written as far as Steve was concerned for number of the beast but he was probably writing subconsciously with Paul's voice still because of so many years with him very possibly very possibly again I'm just it's come it's you could read it in my book the rumors about and what I thought and by the way somebody point Jefferson pointed out that Martin Birch worked with Dio in Rainbow which yes I forgot about that on Long Live yeah yeah yeah okay so uh you're out of the band you're kind of Paul's out of the band you know Lone Wolf doesn't work Paul moves to the United States starts work or I don't know if it was in the States where he started work on the the Deanna project right the first solo album were you there with him no uh but the the Deanna album the very first one and that was originally that was Lone Wolf I mean he used most of the members of Lone Wolf except the drummer he used a different drummer I think he used Frank Noon or Frank Darch one of the two but no they went off to do that at the studio in Wales something posted that in the comments I didn't like to know but no by that time I think I was back with Maiden okay I was I was kind of like I bought that album it was the first time buyer of Deanna's solo album and I put it on I go I liked it but it was I was expecting like the next step you know sort of the evolution of Maiden with him right he had keyboards he had backing vocals but it's a song very American-oriented yeah yeah what did you think was that in your book I don't I don't think I wrote about it in the book I don't mind it I've heard better but then I've heard worse you know it's middle ground if you like did oh I wanted to ask you this since you were in Japan did they record so there's this okay Maiden in Japan came out with an EP and then there was this full-length radio sessions in Japan that's sort of like floating around as bootlegs were all the shows recorded in Japan like we're full Dougie might have recorded them through the desk I might have been dead desk recording I did have a copy of one of the shows that Dougie recorded and gave me the cassette but obviously he keeps the master tape he could have run off copies for absolutely anybody yeah which is probably where that originated from but yeah I think all the shows were recorded yeah yeah that's cool we only did five shows in four days but you know what maybe in the future they can sort of like you know touch them up and you know release them as a full concert it's I always wanted the full Maiden Japan I have a bootleg of it but I would have liked the whole it was all recorded through a dat recorder and of course like you don't have that same quality no no so the death of it everybody releases an album but you know for bootleg quality because it is a desk recording you know it's that's fantastic so when did you come back to Maiden now now Bruce is in the band number the beast tours was it during the number the beast tour was a piece of mine that you came back it's mine um Bruce had gone uh sorry uh mclive had gone paul had gone so now you've got two new members in the band and uh I went to see them just on off chance uh with Keith willful who at the time was running the fan club okay and uh met up in the band the hotel afterwards and was chatting and I got chatting with um Warren poppy who was Tony Wiggitt's assistant and Warren said what are you doing at the moment I went nothing you said pack a bag and meet us in Ipswich we could use you on tour and he said what happened um but that's also in the book um anyway yeah I went to Ipswich and um and it sort of evolved from there and coming in the the uh UK tour I'm really thinking to myself uh this is super I'll be off to Europe or United States next week and that didn't happen and it was well it's a bit of a letdown anyway I managed to find a few other jobs to do um around about that that's during that summer and at the end of the end of the summer they made them a duty to come back from from the states I get a phone call from Keith willful again um we need you back no I just um uh just a heads up he said you could lightly get a call from Tony Wiggins tomorrow okay I went okay why he said I think there's an opening for you and I think those are exact words and um sure enough following night Tony rings me up he says are you available for the next couple of months and I went yeah well what's going on he said um come down to the uh go hotel in Kensington we'll talk about it sure enough went down to the go hotel some of the band was staying there a lot of the crew was staying there um and they offered me the job back working as um uh was assistant that's where it picked up again so basically I was out of out the band for almost 18 months maybe maybe a bit more lucha saying please ask him about Paul Tiano's dog uh Gog Magog's project which had Yannick Gehr's on it on guitar I mean also had Dennis Stren and Dennis Stren and uh and uh Clive Burr and I can't remember who else but they could have made it they could have formed their own main band they could have had right they could have their own little maiden thing happening little maiden little maiden I don't really know much about Gog Magog um I know it was um it was uh project put together by um uh Lee Hart but Lee Hart was uh that was uh Dianne Ho's manager yes for a while I don't know what happened to him I know that he quit his job but um Jonathan King was the uh was the man behind that he was quite a well-known music producer at the time but it turned out that he was a kitty feeder and everybody dropped him like a stone so yeah all right so that's what I know about him okay just moving things along so now Bruce is in the band what were your thoughts you're you're you're sort of working with the band against Bruce is there you're kind of used to Paul you're kind of used to Clive but it's a different band right it's what did you think of Bruce or you did you get along with Bruce to me I mean having sort of done the UK tour sort of earlier that year I could see instantly what a step up they made yeah they had already you know they'd now started to climb the ladder and um obviously by the time they got to the european tour they'd already toured America and when they got back and I joined them for the european tour they were superb yeah they were absolutely spot on so tight and they just sounded great I mean by this time they owned their own PA uh Dave Lightspears had to me still the best lighting rig they'd ever used and I think that that just speaks volumes look at the way the whole set started with there's like there's three triangles a big triangle in the center two smaller triangles one on either side and everything was brought right down just above the drum kit and all you had was these sort of flickering LEDs and that's how it started it's like the opening music for who dares wins I don't know where he was there and then as the music starts the rises their lights start to lift up and that opening sequence was just absolutely brilliant and I saw peace of mind tour in in Canada in Montreal and I can't remember the details but I just remember that it was an amazing amazing show just in general it was one of the best I've seen yeah luckily I've ever seen every night in Europe absolutely every night that's pretty amazing um peace of mind recorded in Bahamas then their next album were you still when when did you lose your job this time around again many times I don't know I actually lost my job three times okay and they kept coming back for more yeah you can't pin me pin me down um what happened was um after that tour um I pretty much went home uh and then it was a case of um there were certain things in their wall droves that they wanted to be dropped off so I'd box everything up and I'd drop these particular items off at their their houses and um and then um we were told we've gone to Jersey might be a little higher than Jersey so we were down there six weeks but we hadn't been relying personally hadn't been told that we were flying straight from Jersey over to Nassau in the Bahamas to record the album Jersey was freezing cold Nassau in the Bahamas was baking hot and all I've got is is cold weather clothing so I had to fly home to get the next set of clothing and then go back to Jersey go out to the Bahamas that we recorded the album um and while we were there I was in the studio I basically I did absolutely nothing for pretty much two months we were there and um the band had come out of studio again this is all in the book and if you really want to read the full story sure let's do you know go and get the book and and read it from there but basically I made a massive mistake by saying something wrong oh boy and um I realized what I'd done I sort of walked out the studio feeling like an absolute idiot and um anyway I thought I'd got away with it because we all flew home from from Nassau and about two three weeks later we then flew out to Fort Lauderdale to start production rehearsals and we set the gear up in a tiny little club in Fort Lauderdale next to a bar which was unfortunate um and then um I got a call into uh Tony Wiggins office and fired again geez obviously you didn't even know there you didn't even know your character by then like you would have think you guys know each other right well they don't call me loopy for nothing all right here here's a question just just pause right there uh Lucia says how important was Tommy Valens's Friday Rock Show for Iron Maiden the show that gave him their first nationwide exposure actually doing that session was was great fun it was great fun um I mean it was a good thing we had Dougie Dougie hauling with us Dougie came it was the session with us and if it hadn't been for him I think the production would have sounded a lot worse than it did okay all right so um yeah actually going in and setting everything up to us it was just a normal day we were going in just doing what we do and uh yeah I mean I think he actually came out okay in the end yeah Jefferson saying was and I think you probably weren't around at the time McBrain uh was a member a Maiden member of unofficially since June 1982 in his own words does loopy have any recollections about this I don't think you're around that I wasn't around but I have have seen a video on YouTube of Nico McBrain playing with the band before he officially joined okay Nick wore an edgy mask the whole time through okay all right that video that is any that is Nico playing the drums with an edgy mask on what was I mean being around the band and being around the people in the band what was the official word of why Clive was let go at the end or he quit or um I think again it was amicable okay yeah it is it's difficult for the band to turn around and say we fired him and then say the reason why yeah but between me and you and everyone else in the world yeah yeah um I think drugs were involved drugs or drink one or two yeah well I mean that's kind of been sort of floating around for years as sort of the official reason right you know they just yeah lifestyle lifestyle what right and no no no not at all but but it's it's it's he's not alone right he he's just one of the many who've got sort of trapped in that lifestyle and it doesn't take any away anything away from the music and his drumming and his performance on those albums and those tours all right what's your favorite memory of clive that's from mr mega fred zeppelin nice name right it's got a mega fred zeppelin not led zeppelin but fred zeppelin my favorite memory of clive was uh is getting my own back after all the crap that he used to give me it was his birthday in glasgo and I bought a can of um snow spray and stood in front of the fan and just put my finger on it while he was playing so that he is getting completely covered in snow and uh yeah I enjoyed it he came off with a raging hump but of course it was his birthday and everybody got trashed so I deserve it David saying some years ago there was a case between wilcox and iron maid and how did that go but I don't think Steve that's really you know that's more of a legal matter than anything I mean I think you could really comment on wilcox and it's it's obvious wilcox wrote a certain percentage of these early songs but the question becomes why didn't he pursue it 40 years ago versus today right that was the big big question you know why why do it now why not 40 years ago yeah when he he actually stated um I mean for legal reasons I can't go too far in that it's but he literally stated that he'd quit the business and had nothing to do with iron maiden um he had you know he didn't go to see them and I as I wrote in the book which is now common knowledge that he was there we were using his pa and he was there trying to sort of you know tweak the sound listening to bull diano singing allegedly his lyrics why didn't he say something then he said he wants to quit the business he's absolutely shy because he was there well I mean it comes down to for sure wilcox had a part he participated in the melody and in the words I can't say all the words but in the melody it's obvious it's obvious the question becomes why didn't he claim it years ago but that's that's wrong Matthews the drummer before before Doug he also took the same side with Dennis because he was pissed off about the fact that the Doug had stolen his his drum rhythm how do you change it yeah you know I'll change you know a drum drum rhythm is a drum rhythm really Doug isn't going to turn man and say Clive was playing exactly what I was I want credit for that well you know yeah I mean look Eids of March right you know which you know Eids of March you know the Sabsson yeah I mean you know Barry told me you know he wrote it and then suddenly it appears on you know killers at the same times it appears on you know I believe it was shock tactics or whatever right two different versions of this yeah very stolen it did Barry steal it I don't know I'm not going to say nothing I don't know whoa yeah yeah but but I mean the interesting thing about on the Sabsson record you have Barry Perkis as a songwriter with the rest of the band as well as Steve Harris where on Eids of March you just have Steve Harris as the sole songwriter but you know look when you play in a band the ideas are tossed around right a lot of that has to do with drums so who wrote what yeah I mean if you really look at Prowler, Sanctuary, Charlotte, the Harlot you know there's just everybody in the early days probably throughout opinions and ideas and melody like at the end of the day it's melody and it's a lyrics that define who the songwriter is not drum patterns but anyways unless it's an instrumental all right that's an initial question I don't even know what the question was about the call case the bus and the initial question was about what happened with the call case oh okay yes yes yes yes go ahead um it was thrown out or it wasn't thrown out basically it yes and no it was thrown out quite simply because Guy representing Dennis Wheelcocks pulled out so that's all you need to know you know like as I said I can't really go into the details were you brought in as a as a sort of like a witness yeah okay well it's interesting to know that this case happened it's interesting to know the history and we'll leave it at that all right so now uh you know you're fired years later you get the call hey what's what's up loopy what's going on we're short of you we're short of you guys can you help us out it was fun to go back I mean I was um meeting up with the old crew the lighting crew hadn't changed the sound crew was different um and what I did learn very very quickly is you know if you're working for a band and you decide to go and help somebody out don't wear a white shirt the maiden were known for these for their PA it was it was called a turbo system and it was uh it's painted with this um the blue paint as soon as the shoulder against it the blue paint would rub off on his shirt of course we're in a white shirt and trying to help the PA guys so take the PA down my white shirt just ended up blue you couldn't get the stuff out so uh yeah so I learned my lesson very quickly but yeah I I thoroughly enjoyed that I you know I wish I could have stayed but you made my big mouth but but I mean okay I'm powers lady you were there in and Bahamas when they recorded it yeah did you did you what like I mean were you did you tour with them at all on power slave no no not at all there's no nothing no my technique I mean just before they went out okay did they ever call you back ever since no I mean is that I speak to Steve frequently but okay well I say frequently when the last time was just over a year ago but that's fairly frequent um your friends I mean I'm not in touch with Steve I'm still in touch with Adrian Dave he's the one I'd I mean I would love to have a chat with Dave but I've not done that since 2017 the book of salt still yeah and Nick we're still going with Nick oh um now I don't really chat with Nick at all okay um I thought I'd check with his son when I do him yeah how about okay here Michael's saying loopy what is your favorite maiden song and was it fun working with made in all over the all all these years for sure it's fun that's about it that was great fun um if I could go back four years and do it again I would absolutely I'd be able to walk properly um favorite song has to be uh hello be done yeah great too what about this new album what do you think is are they are they going veering off too much into that prog world or the uh if you look or go back to the the time changes and he's he's still 70s 80s prog when you listen to some of the new album yeah um little influences like jethro toll I've noticed um moody blues I've noticed little things in there little bits like genesis yes so it's it's just the next level is yeah it's maiden being maiden I love it I actually I love singetsu I think it's a great album I mean it's taken me if I'm the perfect unit honest I've listened to the album once all the way through that was in the car going on a journey uh last week um the only other time I've heard it was when they officially released all the videos on youtube you know and of course they weren't in in order so I just found a lot of track click but um I'd I initially gave it a seven out of 10 nothing I'm now sort of building on a nine out of 10 now I've actually heard it from start to finish no spaces no gaps just full on it's um I said at the time on my on my podcast that's um it's probably a grower and yeah I'll stick with that he's a grower yeah I agree I agree with you when I first heard it I go it was just too much information for me to absorb and the more times I listened to I mean one listen it's like you just lost two hours of your life right I mean well that's exactly it I mean this particular journey we did last week it's an hour one way an hour back and it was just enough time to listen side one going up and inside two coming back and it was right it was right I'll take it with me again what about uh blaze era I know we're gonna wrap things up how much about the blaze era era um for some stupid reason um I completely forgot all about Iron Maiden when I left music business in 95 went to work with Royal Mail and I was out for 21 years and completely forgot about the band and when I retired in 2016 I retired because the book had come out and I was hoping I was going to do really really well out of it as it happened that didn't quite happen the way I wanted it also gave me a chance to go and sing a band a bit more often um I sort of caught up with them in 2010 so it's 15 years and not knowing anything about what was going on um I didn't know anything about blaze bailey um I wasn't really aware that that yannick had joined the band I didn't even know that eight years left I didn't know that Bruce was left although I'd heard rumors that the blaze was going to take over from Bruce no it had um so obviously I've listened to the two albums with blaze I'm not a fan I'm not knocking blaze yeah blaze bailey's solo work he's far superior to his stuff with maiden but he's also got an amazing band that's over behind him as well um plus he's singing in in his own key of his voice whereas he was trying to sing you know in Bruce's range and it goes to my point again when our main was writing they're writing with Bruce's voice in mind and then bae blaze was at a disadvantage right yeah totally agree totally agree all right so let's see um if there's any other questions everybody fire them out because in the next few minutes we're going to be would you like to say anything steve about your book or your experience that you'd like to promote my book if that's possible oh yeah I'm promoting it as we speak I'm showing a picture of it live so everybody could see the great graphics by Derek Riggs yeah I love that that cover um yeah I'd just like to say you know thanks for tuning in guys it's been an absolute pleasure if you if you'd like a copy of the book please go to www.loopyworld.uk you can find there's a shop on there where you can find all my books or links to my books you can find a link to t-shirts do all manners of t-shirts but if you order a t-shirt wait a while because I'll have to get my friend to do it for me because I'm useless but the book I can deal with also if anybody wants their book dedicated drop me an email www.loopyworld1.gmail.com okay and drop me a line and I will make sure that I can get your book signed dedicated nice I've got nothing else to say we're done we're done you know we've been talking about this interview for a while right and then finally our times have aligned so it's been great fun I thoroughly enjoyed it yeah me too me too I always you know yeah you know it's interesting when you have a guest who's well spoken as yourself and written a great book and some cool history and some you know inside information I I do have to change the title of this video from 78 to 84 right not 79 to 84 right yeah so apologies for that I put 79 to 84 but maybe it was December I don't know no actually because I've started he joined the band it's about the beginning of September 78 and I have us to joined joined up with him around about the end of September 78 there you go that's what I'm getting at that's why I put 79 no I'll change it I put it in 70 too close to Christmas you are and I'll also include in the in the description in the video a link to your page so people could buy your book or you know get some more information and you have a podcast you said you have a podcast yes yeah I do a podcast with my friend in Australia Kaz Tajin nice and the podcast is called satellite 664 it's available on on YouTube we have a website it was satellite 664.com yeah go and check it out it's not been updated for a while that needs updating but I'll get on to that I'm sorry this will be the bridge this show will be the bridge but you know so people will you know have something to watch in the meantime then they could stick to your watch your podcast all right great fun my friend have yourself a wonderful thanks for being there thanks everybody and we