s a white falcon out there that we don't know about and they have to distinguish That'd be great. It just turns up in the next film. I'm like falcon.  Yes. Well, there was a version of Yeah Birds of prey, you mean oh Yeah, sorry, I might I melt when I talk about the There's too much superhero stuff.  It's so so like yeah, I'm behind this I'm I'm correct.    What's the fun in that these people don't do fun.  It's only got three and a half thousand views With the likes dislikes and comments turned off Comic-con video It's called Netflix geeked Masters of the universe revelation Comic-con at home 2021 Yeah, it's comic-con. Oh, they're dumb. Oh Kevin Smith's got like three million followers on twitter And yeah when he's posting about, you know Masters of the universe he's getting like 2000 likes Like I get more than that. I'm just gonna be hard for him to be passionate about that show from what I understand You know like yeah Oh, it's a hilarious train wreck Yeah, when you said three and a half I thought we were gonna say likes I was like, how do you only get three and a half likes?    So we don't have any villains. We don't have any heroes.  Rufus Left with garbage top tea garbage, which is just depressing That's sad It needs to fail miserably that's that for anything to change That's my worry if we how many loki's would it take to actually make a difference? I'm like, what if it what if it didn't? What if they just kept Like I think I could see the movies going this road because black widow has been a bit of a disappointment You know and they can blame that on the well as much as they want But like it's it's dropped off a cliff after the first week. Well, so black widow is I think Shang-Chi will be interesting to that'll be the one The Eternals is gonna flop big time.  Yeah, we'll make money. It'll make its money back for sure. But it's like, what do you think drink it? We'll make this money back No, yeah, I think it will be a marginal Well, I think I think it's it's not gonna crack a billion. No way. I know. I don't think I don't think it will Um, I guess the problem is like when we talk about box office going forward It's like black widow is complicated because of the simultaneous release On streaming and then of course like just high quality, you know rips available and it's like, hmm The country's locked down Right now so they're still major countries locked out. They didn't release it in china They delayed the release because it's I guess during july it's it's uh, it's the 100 year anniversary of communism So there's all these patriotic movies and they didn't want to release it during That time so it's going to be released later at a later date, but they don't know I guess that's what I mean is like Shang-Chi is just in theaters So it's like, hmm that might be more interesting in terms of like it will be a really good metric to see what interest is Well, spider-man is spider-man will be the big metric, right? Like I feel like that one The spider-man right and it's got so many Yeah, people people will go out to see that. I'm curious how many people go out to see if they can Shang-Chi Well, yeah, depending on what's going on.  That's what I'm saying is like I don't know that getting more Loki I think we get more Loki's people just be happy with that.  Yeah, you're right. Yeah But I think that well solo solo flopped mostly because of TLG So you're gonna need a super divisive, you know, movie that's going to split the marvel fan base apart Yeah, I think so what gary's saying is like if one of them flops, then we will see a paradigm shift But what will make one flop that's complicated like to get I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure because at the moment I think the marvel fan base at the moment are still in the phase of They have fallen in love with the characters the MCU and so they want to like things and they go into the you know Watching these bad shows or looking for all the ways they could justify Why could I like it? Oh, even if it's one small thing. I want to like it And the force awakens vase That's an interesting point that will force them to I got the big think um I think because avenge all of the movies that came before avengers were like pretty successful Iron man was was successful and like Thor and and captain america were moderately successful But like people did like those characters and then when they came together in avengers and it was really great That was like what propelled the MCU Yeah, well sure, but I guess is but I guess the interesting thought is like They're clearly going to be building up characters for like their next Avengers thing. I guess the question the question well, so that's the question right is um Would it be that an avengers movie Where people just don't give a shit about the characters that are in it Or they don't like them and then it doesn't do as well as I expect is that where it starts to become like Yeah, we're not bearing fruits here. What's the big difference between Then and now who built up that MCU that led to the avengers wasn't Disney It was parents the MCU becomes the dceu Yeah, yeah, we pride the acorn but the acorn is rotted and shit And so the tree that there's fruit so people are excited about oh, what's this tree going to be? But then it's not what they wanted. It's not what they thought they wanted and I don't like these characters Then what happens and people start losing interest do people start losing interest when these characters they expect to go somewhere Interesting you can't because these characters are just devoid of Of like an arc that can lead them to a place that will be good.  Like what what happens? Well, it's just an idea of like do you want to watch an avengers movie where there's no iron man captain america Maybe spider-man won't be there either. Maybe Thor won't be there. So I hope who would be in that Well, we've seen we've seen what this did with the comic book industry Like marvel in comics has gone exactly down this path where they've either like killed or You know drastically reduced their most popular characters and tried to replace them with these soulless You know alternatives that nobody is taken to and so their sales have fallen off a cliff But I guess that's the question is will people because the problem is I think people It seems like people have really taken all wonder. She's finally coming into her own being assassinated Oh, Sam. He's really coming to his own being assassinated.  To pitch you off Maybe another shiny light maybe if they're distracted by something else that they like I don't know for reference by the the guy who we were talking to about the sort of assassination thing His main reasoning for why he liked Loki in the show was I've seen him be a villain I want something new Right. So is it just novelty at this point? We'll not be Yeah, yeah, in sake be what it don't want to be too insulting, but it's but I guess that's the idea If if novelty is all you want then marvel's gonna be fine If that's like what people want because they're doing new characters and new new Oh, yeah, there's no limits to the stuff you can do with CGI You'll never be bored. They can come up with all kinds of crazy wacky shit for you to clap at The the most frustrating thing is they have passed up really good stories that could have built up these new characters and Still respected the old characters and if they just stayed on their the path that they were on before They would be making money. Nobody. Well, most people wouldn't be pissed off And it would be limitless. They could do this forever, but they got in their own way They got in their own effing way because the agenda was the priority What's kind of interesting to think about that right because you could always have these characters like pass the torch and everything That could always be the easy way to do it The torch gets passed on In a respectful way that the old character bit in a way that cements the new character as a new iteration Um instead of just pillaging what came before and being like this is mine now. I made this It's like you made this I made this like it's kind of Happening though.   That's that's it and that that was the end and what's hanging on to the market right now Because it has the the comic book industry Less than 200,000 people in america actively read comic books. It's more like a hundred thousand people in a country of fucking millions 100,000 people is the comic book industry right now and he used to sell in the millions That's a complicated question though, isn't it because there's like that probably Because I would agree that there are the the factors of like what's happening in modern comics right now But it's like how much of that because the industry crashed hard core in the 90s Like it's never recovered to that point since the 90s It had a recovery after 9 11, uh, but never up to the 90s which were inflated a little bit But um, yeah a little bit. Yeah Like selling a lot well the speculator market and they had to do a lot of trickery to keep their the industry alive, right and But it still formed the basis of the mcu.  Well, I feel like you think there's an element of like these You know, do you think there's an element of like the comic book industry? Sorry, the the comic book movie industry is starting to run its course Yeah, you know every genre has its time, right?  Yeah, I don't know what could come next but like it could Do people eventually just get super hero fatigue and they're just like I think the problem is people have been saying that for a while people were saying that in 2014 when they saw The slay in 2000 that was saying like man, it's already getting overblown and now we're getting more content than ever and people are fucking thrilled Yeah, I don't I don't see it as it seems like marvel has superhero fatigue Just on this note just on this note, right? I have loved superheroes my whole life and I've never gotten fatigued Do you give me good superheroes? I'll I'll consume like I love superman when I was a little kid and And so it just gave me good stuff. And so I think it's gonna be here to stay But in terms of the quantity that will vary depending on how much enthusiast Yeah, I think when I look at my own reactions to it now, I feel like it's it's it is that marvel fatigue That I'm experiencing. It's like, okay. What's the next generic like, you know Well, yeah, because if another thing came out and just like I was by the studio That's this the first outing with a director and writer that are really passionate be like, oh, I guess I'll give it a shot then Yeah, it's from marvel.   That's a really simple story Yeah, very simple. It's stuck in a building. He's got a face.  Well, I did When you look at all of these ideas on paper The like just the descriptions if you look at just if we just take the marvel shows post in game When you look at the idea for wandavision falcon and the winter soldier and um Loki Loki and What was the other one black widow black widow? Um When you take all of these and you like the ideas themselves, they're all pretty different from one another especially loki There's no reason for these to feel like they're all just sludgy in the same. No, no, absolutely Why are we different in terms of their their concepts? I think that's the interesting part like I think I get why drinky you think like oh, yeah It's like western in the sense that it's like well, it is this genre I guess it's just the probably the difference would be that there's more that you can do With superhero because it's a much more base template than western Like what means these specific places at these specific times Whereas like superhero you could have a superhero western or a superhero like the acting story or a superhero You know people are still trying to push the The bar with superheroes. I for myself. I loved invincible.  It'll be independent. Come on. Maybe I have more hope for dc right now that I do for Why? Um Because when you're when you're behind the wild cards, like they will try anything Exactly. When you're trailing behind you'll be more experimental. Uh, I imagine so we might get it's not going to be superman Or bat it'll be something like it'll be an offshoot or something like that.  Who in the who wants to see a pg black widow The issue with the issue with marvel is that they have they have to appeal to everybody Or at least that's what they want to and again you appeal to everybody you appeal to nobody Well, at the same time though tossing the garden to the galaxy to james gun That's like one of the best decisions marvel even made and it's you can tell that they did that They probably did that with a sense of like if this fails. It's not so bad.  Yeah And now they've reached where it's like almost a complacency like yeah We can just keep doing this and it's almost like yeah because dc is like people just don't like well Less people like dc at this point Is almost like oh, we should we need to catch up and it's like dc can do a joker You know, they'll do like hey gives this director 70 million dollars and leave them alone I wish marvel would do that. I wish they would do that But the problem is we see you creative person do something That's the issue, isn't it?  Would a disney gonna do that make Deadpool 3 seems unlikely you sit there and it's like Well, it's nice. They keep saying they're gonna do it. But like what does that movie look like? How do you make a Deadpool movie when you're Would surely he'll say damn Yeah, you can see Ralph Reynolds in the film turning to the camera.  Don't worry, but um When I mean rags talking about it and rags referred to it as comedy And I was I was so blown away because of course I didn't laugh in the film at all And I was just like what what is birds of prey genre wise and I check Wikipedia and it describes it as a superhero movie And I was surprised because it's on the genre. There's like one superpower in it briefly That's about it. And so when she's what that made me realize was like whatever Like this is the thing about superheroes a genre if say for example We were about to re-enter the age of sci-fi sci-fi is making a huge comeback It's like well superheroes don't have to go anywhere because they can just be sci-fi You're like, okay. Well, we're having a huge like the just the gothic genre is coming back So again superheroes can just mold into that. I agree more van Helsing. Yep. Hell. Yeah My point is just that um, I feel like superheroes are never going to go away. They'll just maybe not be Yeah, like they can always keep going and this is the thing We all I feel like superheroes just we've talked about this before but just great Individuals with great abilities. Like man, that's that's a constant for human stories. I think isn't it? It's our mythology I mean Star Wars would qualify for superheroes. He man qualifies as superheroes and one sci-fi ones fantasy No, like that would probably even qualify if you want to call that that superhero story I mean, yeah, all the Jedi's like, yeah, they have telekinesis. They're all mutants Like If you really want to go I take glee twilight is super heroes And the yeah, the other thing that interested me as you guys are talking the Description of dread right really simple and then you go describe to me Anything from phase four pick out of the four of them and you're like all right Let's start with Wanda vision like well, so So Wanda through grief is stuck inside a town that of her creation were Like a lot she's cast a spell by accident Let's put everybody and you're like you can barely describe it without the person being like what the Saying a woman mourns the loss of her vibrator. Yeah, there you go.  It's like wait, what?  I don't live in Croatia anymore Yeah, but what's important is that you need to do better Yeah I'm a black fan in the stars and stripes. What don't I know? By the way, I don't know how to fix any of your problems You need to do better When you because you practically describe the complete story of dread and just a sentence meanwhile It's like describe Loki like there's an organization that controls time and space and they prune timelines in order to prevent the sacred timeline from getting Too disrupted into the point of a multiversal war and Loki gets caught up in this well a variant of Loki Who eventually meets up with another variant of learning.  Well, it's it's the idea It's almost the idea of like if you if you can't summarize your own idea very Uh swiftly you need to go back to the working board You need to figure it out because you don't know what it is really It's like what am I describing as a tv show and I can do it in two ways vampire detective You're like oh sounds kind of okay. All right. Yeah, I know what you're talking about You can immediately get like I can think of lots of verses. Okay, so Uh russians developed mind control and an army of people to take over the world Uh, but at the same time Education of women the mind control gets released on one of them and her sister is an avenger Which means that they go on a huge adventure to There's just no way One where it's just like a man who creates weapons is hurt by his own weapons So he turns himself into a weapon to stop the bad guys from using his weapons. Yeah Yeah, exactly a lot of weapons, but still that's a weapon And of course captain america's a real straightforward one a scrawny man who wants to stand up for the little guy becomes the big guy and stands up for the little guy I don't mean they used to honestly they used to tell character stories They're obsessed with like when they were creating these are like tony stark a man's story We want to tell these days. It's like low-key a product.  I love it.  Um, I'm gonna go pass out. Do you want to tell tell people about game night? Tell people where you are shad. What's up? What's going on? So so I got a new channel guys called game nights and um We do a lot of uh roundtable discussion reactions game reviews and stuff And we actually did an episode by episode roundtable discussion on low-key as each episode came out with a lot of Spicy hot takes and in your face commentary a lot of fun guys and so go check it out If you haven't already You're planning on making another video hating on this show. Is that what you hope not? Oh, I've already already did it. I like it I'm he man. That's the one.  All right, but um, if not, it'll definitely be on game nights Well, sweet. Um, I'm up there in the thing. No shads channel is in the description as well as game night will be there in a sec Um, oh, it's wonderful to have you on sir. Thank you so much. Especially with such an awkward timeline for you and um Yeah, I I don't know whether to apologize for low-key or for he man You know, I feel like they're both just blights it on your life.   I I love team man as a kid I love the show all the characters were great including teela.   Yeah.  It was one of my favorite cartoons growing up behind me And in there are my original he-man and skeletal toys that I played with I was a kid And so yeah, what they've done to he-man is like this is this is personal to me. It's like it's all unforgivable Yeah And even if I didn't have this, you know, kind of emotional connection because it's one of my childhood heroes the show is just Oh, it's so bad Tealer is the biggest Hidious woman. Oh, this is horrible horrible exchange between episodes one and two Oh, I can't believe how bad it is So yeah, I'll be ranting about that one. That's for sure Don't worry gary in part six.  So are you guys ready to check out someone who believes the show is Not sorry. I don't even want to understate this. It's what marvel needed What oh, so this Loki is exactly what marvel needed Oh And they they gave the fans not what they wanted but what they needed. Oh, I'm sure kevin's going to use that line I have no idea by the way what's going to entail in this one But that is quite the claim after it's funny anyone who's listening to this whole conversation up till now being told Actually, Loki is what marvel needed to be like, um Everybody's a lot of opinion. That's cheese. Sure one's allowed to have her opinion regardless of how Let's let's see what they go. Let's see what's up This video is brought to you by brilliant So some of you may have noticed that with the exception of last week's black widow review I haven't really covered the MCU as much as I used to on this channel And the reason for that is pretty simple after it being such a major part of what I was covering on here for years I found myself feeling a little burnt out So a lot of weeks if there was a choice between talking about marvel or covering something random that I'd never talked about before like Narnia or Invincible I decided to just pick the option that I found more interesting Which is why I wasn't really going out of my way to talk about these new MCU shows But Loki caught my attention in a way that the previous show didn't and even if I might be a little love how in that Little clip he said he was going to burn this place to the grounds. Who was that? And it's kind of funny because he almost implied there. So like Wanda vision and falcon and soldier They were kind of math, but Loki that's something special Almost like, you know, in some ways you're right Well, he is A little bit late to the I wanted to spend this week talking about the show and how I Just really helps kickstart a new era in the marvel cinematic universe Oh, and of course, this will include full spoilers for Loki. It doesn't matter It's probably still matter. Nothing matters I did it. You'll get pruned if you put too many spoilers in Unless you were meant to put spoilers in Oh We'll talk about it. It was okay. It's all good I did last week's negative video on black widow with some stuff that I did like about how could you not like Yeah, I don't get it.  But so was Loki and I'm like, how how do you like this, but you hate black widow? It's like actually it's kind of the thing. I want to ask people like what actually is it Why is this good and this one bad? Who's we're gonna find out in terms of at least half of that answer? But I just yeah, it's it's you just feel like throw them all in the bin as far as I'm concerned Get them out of here be on black widow with some stuff that I did like about it So maybe I'll flip that around and start this one with some reservations that I have with Loki as a show The biggest issue is I just wish there was more of it as your average More of it. I would think there's many people that share that opinion my friend. Oh, yeah We really gotta get more of content. That's the attitude for content. I just want more give me more I just need to be needs to be more content Even though it doesn't matter.   I'm writing the sequel 22 to 13 to between six and eight episodes I think we're slowly losing a lot of what makes the medium special the corner of the fact that there's more of it The medium special because there's more episodes of it. What are you talking about? The idea would be that like what is the point in telling Doing a tv show if the amount of content in the tv show is not that much longer than a film It's like use the format to tell a bigger story or or or at least a more involved story one of the two But I love that Loki just a huge city to go to the canteen and then an office Yeah All of these MCU shows they're they're all overarching stories. They're none of them are episodic. Like, you know It's not like a different adventure occurs each week They all tie together into like one story that runs throughout the season if you talk to the right person They remember Loki that way they say like oh, it's a cool show where each episode Mobius and Loki gone like they go to different places and do different things like that happens once This is like some weird mass delusion honestly, I didn't notice it where people are coming from They make up whatever the show was and then they forget what it was and they don't watch it again But they remember it being 10 out of 10 Maybe they just watched the first couple of episodes and They're just saying it to be part of the party. I don't I don't get it yet Like this shot this establishing shots pretty much the only shot we get of the tva They don't even go back to that it and it's just a small show I know and it's just a jumble of nonsense this show Like I can't even tell what i'm looking at here doesn't look cohesive It looks like someone went too far on like a rendering software. They were like, I'm gonna hit control Yeah It's like the the fleet of like 10 million ships and I walk or yeah You just lose all sense of of scale and significance to it They hit the end of the card.  That's really cool.  I've heard well remember when they did it with the star destroyers It's like, oh, that's fantastic. It's so amazing. Wow. Have you just got a death star on them? The corner of the mcu that loki inhabits is really interesting the corner to the bram with potential stories stories that kind of solidify That's an interesting way to describe like all of time and space so you can tell some stories with that It's not the corner.   Jesus Christ or the living room Huh Y'all are crazy five the supporting cast better than the show was really able to do with so little time to work What's supporting cast there's like four people in the show So he thinks that it didn't do enough, but it also did like maximum with the time that it had Six episodes at 40 plus minutes like Longer than a movie. I don't know.  It's uh, but I don't think any episode can compare to episode six It's like the bloat's embarrassing in there Great example for be the relationship between rent slayer and mobius To me that doesn't make sense to you you you showed loki his destiny right at the beginning Wouldn't wouldn't the plan be to to actually have loki develop and change throughout the course of the show And then maybe when the tva is in disarray towards the end He finds the the the film which actually shows what's happened to his life And he's made all this Growth and change and then sees what happens to him. Then maybe goes right What if this is what change and growth does to me?  Mm-hmm. Yeah exactly No, but like right here.  So when they turn you're right We are told that a lot. Yeah, it's not shown it. We are told it all we get. Well, that's what they say, right? Tell don't show. That's like one of the key things when it comes to story Yeah Yeah It's a big moment But with more episodes to build that relationship to see rinse layer and mobius working side by side And solving problems don't have these characters taken up all this time Or just don't even do it. You don't need it.  I don't care about this You're both terrible.  I think and in general He won that story engine for a tv show that they could have done a lot more with and hopefully still will Oh god, just I don't want him to do anything else. Well, it's too late. Everything's broken Season two That issue aside though I was pretty on board with Loki from the start the issue that a lot of marvel stuff on tv can have Is that it kind of ends up feeling like the downsize version of what we get in the movies Not just in terms of the production budget though that too sometimes just in terms Why did you show? For that instead of showing me like makeup and flying through the air, which is obviously cg Yeah, like I don't use appropriate sometimes you're baffled by the choices of imagery Does mean that show in general or Like I don't even agree with this like I feel like these shows the budgets of mega high production values huge budget budgets They have huge budgets.  Well, let's put it this way I I found the cgi and like just the general production to be better In falcon winter soldier, and then I did him black widow black widow. Look excited.  I know I don't know what happened A lot of just all the compositing and all the big action scenes just looks like ass From what I understand there is a broader issue in the visual effects industry where Companies are always vying to get the lowest bid in like it'll cost us this much to do it No, we can do it for less than that and because they're constantly trying to underbid themselves They reach a point where they have incredibly cramped products and schedules overworked And and then it just has that issue the technology is better But they don't have the time to use it to make it look good But then you wonder with this movie because I had a a year delay what what happened like Why didn't you just spend that time doing something to fix it? Maybe that avalanche scene was all the coke they bought Carrie Fisher wasn't in this movie Come on as you've got Yeah, didn't pull walk and die before Well, you know, I don't know what the rules are here. Okay. I didn't carbon date them Movies not just in terms of the production budget though that too sometimes Just in terms of the kind of stories they can tell Loki doesn't have that problem. It's taking massive interesting swings and not trying to limit massive That sucks to hear. He basically just said like the thing with the tv shows They're never gonna tell like the stories of the movies. It's like man You you need to have a better storytelling for tv shows. Yeah Yeah, it's like worse stories or better stories or how was that in any way a meaningful thing that you just said I certainly do not like the implication that tv is inherently inferior to film. They do different things They have different priorities I mean theoretically since you have way more time in a tv show you would think that you'd have a lot more Just sheer space in order to Tell more it depends right on on like scope or of course if you have a story that you you can tell in two hours Like the father, you know, like there are stories that are better served shorter and stories that are better served longer Yeah, and the fact that he said like Loki's the one that proves that to be not the case.  Watch more tv shows Come on massive interesting swings and not trying to limit the consequences of them Loki taps into somebody trying to limit the consequences.  He ruined it. It opens with resurrected. You made everything like if by limiting consequences Well, maybe if he means by limiting consequences, you made everything in consequential. Yeah Good job That I think often makes fun genre tv making the stakes both incredibly huge and Personal at the same time. I mean in the show Any other tv show I don't even know what that means. Why is it? huge and personal Huge and a lot of stories through that. That's not unique. We also found out that it was entirely Impersonal Kang didn't take this personally at all. He was like He said he's explicit and she said it was personal to me, which is the classic response to that Yeah, um, but yeah give me a story Love story between the low keys It's like you see what makes it personal in endgame when I'm added the snap It was it really wasn't a personal choice for him Like it was just a general one, you know the same for a hang one of it and also just his puppet No, why he said I did it anyway, so don't fucking mind I think it just sounds good doesn't it to say it's a huge scale, but it's also a really personal story That just sounds like um, you are loving the smell of your own writing Oh, yeah, I mean I know he's still kind of doing his intro But yeah, like so far he's not made a single substantive argument for any of this. I can't say we can expect that to happen but You know we could hope Selfless in the balance This is hardly anything new in a comic book based story But I think what separates when that's done poorly and when it's being done well Is the more personal for the dark world is better than Loki Well, he but he just said when it's done well and showed Thor the dark world and I know for a fact He didn't mean to sync that up with well So like can you please get this synced better?  Yeah This this this uh this showed More I guess more thoroughly than anything else. I could imagine destroys any semblance of personal stakes You can't have them. Yeah, like if not this show, what did destroy personal stakes for you? If it wasn't this one characters who seemed unnecessary by the masters of time itself Sylvie especially has been a variant since she was a child And has never been able to live anywhere But in the small pockets of time that exists before a place is completely destroyed How did she learn that early on? Wait, I got no idea how she figured that early on that's a good choice. I should chill her Was ten a lady or whatever they're called and then um She worked it out because she's amazing The bestest Loki ever if you can teach yourself magic at six you could probably figure the rest out Yeah, how does a six-year-old survive living in doomsdays and then teaching yourself magic and Not having any mentors or anything. It sounds a lot like ray Surviving on like this horrible desert planet by herself another beloved character. Yeah They just do and that's their explanations. They survived. Well, how it doesn't matter. They survived Well, that's what leads to the Personal storytelling Exactly exactly.     How is it that you have characters have a payoff because they believe in different things? You kind of should build that up over the course of a story With little tidbits like in a really good movie that I watched recently Even if he was to argue that like it's because if he goes on to say like so interesting because of the lives They've lived the lead of this point It's like doesn't that diminish the fact that kang Appetitied their entire life to this point so their choice is already like does that not make you think for a second Like you're gonna have to make a very meaningful choice here like oh my god And now as of now, I am not controlling you so go ahead It's like but I have all the same history that you controlled so like Still me Does what I mean like like To me I'm almost like kang surely you know what's gonna happen if you knew like all of us up to this point You probably know what we're gonna do Yeah, because he's driven the emancipations. He's driven their personalities given their struggle and tribes Yeah, see this feels like a situation where you needed either to just have one loki whose life had been manipulated by kang so that he was balanced and that he could go either way and so he understood both perspectives Or have two loki's who might have opposing views, but they're perfectly like They're perfectly opposed to each other And so there is no there's no easy way to divide it But they just have a fight and then she just punts them into a different dimension kills kang within seconds Which is actually not what kang wanted. He wanted them to choose not for one of them to take over and choose Exactly.   Just save yourself time and flip a coin. He was bored of this He just got bored. He's like, uh, stop me or don't You What an antagonist inevitable I guess I am just jumping straight to that finale But that was definitely the part of the show that I was most impressed with instead of Who are you? All right, I think this guy's quite easily impressed my things again. There hasn't been a single point made Well, we're only a third through Yeah God, this is where I mean this one's this is a good old-fashioned classic video essay just over 10 minutes You say nothing. Say nothing at all. Yeah, is this gonna be the mic zero of the the mcu world? Well, this is common. This is everywhere on youtube I was from mark before he hasn't said anything. He hasn't said anything And he hasn't he hasn't done a single thing. He's just yeah minced words to make it sound as if he is saying something But he's not saying something. He's not saying anything whatsoever. He's saying I'm going from grand to personal and it's me. Yeah, it's nothing every there's nothing is meaningless dross coming out in the mouth at the minute Yeah, it's all completely unsubstantiated You just move on from one point to the next but there's nothing to support anything that you're saying you're just saying This was earned. Why why was it earned? Why was it earned breakdown? Why this was earned? We've talked about it before but these videos are almost they seem designed for validation Like they can only work that way because if you know if someone in the audience right now Really liked Loki and they heard me say Loki's phenomenal because of the character interactions development as well as the incredible soundtrack And I love what they did with all of their ideas. This is a show for ideas They have so many they start out with just such simple concepts But then they keep developing them intermingling them and then how it fits into the mcu universe is phenomenal But I don't support any of that. That's that's my video You're just like, okay, and someone who likes a show will be like, yay Yeah, but you know if you want to do that you can just talk to a mirror and talk about how great it is and be like Oh, yeah, I see you agree with me exactly. Yeah, it's so superficial. It's just on a superficial level The people who who just think they like it who haven't thought about this whatsoever just go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah ideas Well-earned. Oh personal yet grand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   No, like a conversation implies that two different parties are like Exposition concepts. This is exposition. This is exposition. We've heard before a lot of it is But we're basically worked out anyway Uh, the already had to really say is I'm from the 31st century and I'm a big knob bed and Well, why bother with any of that when you're not silver you end up killing me. So just do it. Yeah, there's no point really Just about let's just get to it Quickly illustrates the difference between these two characters Even if they are technically the same person to me that was pretty smart writing instead of a simple small writing Smart writing nothing about this show even approaches intelligent The director didn't know there was going to be a season two until she sought the credits Smart writing Let go from the show. Yeah, because she's oh my god. Oh my god It's a mess and And I've just found out there's a season two Um, I can't wait to watch it as a fan from here on in And like It's amusing to me as well that he's just complimented two people from completely different backgrounds They ended up making different choices to be that's good writing. That's smart writing Again it always we've said this before about a couple of careers It's like oh man, if I was making a show for you, I feel like you'd be so easy to get you to love it I I know how to make characters make decisions that are different from other characters. I know about that one No, that's I mean that's fine You know two different two characters with two different ideas fine No problem But the point is the way that the character of Loki has been written throughout the season Even though he's got a contrary point of view to Uh to female Loki and says hey, let's listen to kang as opposed to her just wanted to stab kang He has shown nothing But deference to her throughout the whole of the episode and he even defers to her in the fight Because because he stops fighting and says I just want you to be okay So regardless there was only one decision that was ever going to win through anyway Yeah, he values He values her like happiness over the entire multiverse in terms of like runs and everything.  Yep And I'm sorry she's you Thin revenge plot Sylvie and Loki are driven apart because they see the universe and Well, she is her her entire storyline is the definition of a thin revenge plot. Yeah Revenge is because she got pruned and he just said they see the universe in fundamentally different ways It's like it's not that interesting. She wants revenge and Loki's like wait, maybe we should talk about this That's it. Yeah, the multi-persons at stake. We might want to you know He's treating this like this is a huge fundamental difference in principle that represents like you know everything that they've been through Was characters like no it doesn't come on You know what? Loki doesn't even try to argue an alternate point of view or a different course of action He's literally just saying I want you to stop and think and then you make the decision by what to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Okay, I've had a think about it. I've had a thought I want to stop him Well as long as you're happy That's all I cheer for you. I'll get out She life not trusting anyone and hating the tba So it only makes sense for her to outright reject the proposal of the man who created it Well, she didn't reject the proposal. She engaged with it. He gave her two choices. Yeah That she engaged with it by killing them The sad part is that she's not smart enough to realize that there is such crazy shit on the table here That there's so much to talk about in terms of mechanics, but she's just She's too narrow-minded and selfish and narcissistical That it's all about her petty revenge story for getting prune when she was six Just after she had taught herself magic and how to make jesus come back from the dead He's really sprucing this up as best he can but it's just it's not content that was in the show. I'm sorry Because our love who is more cautious and wasn't shaped by those experiences and has always loved the idea So if you if you hear the dichotomy there, he's he's talking about how sylvia is somebody who doesn't trust, you know And she's gonna find it really hard to take any stake in the tba. Loki on the other hand He's kind of different character. He had different experiences. Like yes, Loki known for his trust of everybody I'm trying to destroy new york And it's funny to me because it's just like she has so much more reason to just not have anything to do with the tba And I'm sitting there like do you see what happened in episode one?   This is your own head cannon It's not he's explicit Oh, we should be listening to him because there might be something to it.  I wish that he said dude, we should use this power.  That's what the actual motivation is You're on the corner. All right, Loki. Okay.  She didn't think about anything. She just went there.  I'm upset with you lord of tibet space There was never a discussion in any of that about the value of free will and letting people choose their own destinies and fates and You know, is it worth the cost and what's gonna happen to us and we have to forge our own path and blah, blah, blah There wasn't any of that conversation.  They love it It's so good And they invent all the shit the character writer that's not there Because they they it's like they remember a show that never they didn't even watch insane Yeah agree with still a choice that feels perfectly in line with who this character is and I respect the writing work that We need to earn that decision Speaking of characters, I should probably talk about owen wilson's turn as mobius a little bit more because it was kind of surprising At least to me.  Yeah film grain filter I don't think he's doing in this uh, this shot quite a bit. That's why yeah, that too I just say uh, it's a bit of a cursed low key. I don't like him on my screen Oh No, I thought he would phone it in not because I think wilson is a bad actor He's not but just because it sounded like kind of a thankless role on paper.  Yeah, this is always the most superficial crap that you talk about It's like oh the performance of this actor was great Like what can you do with that? It's it's kind of subjective. Like that's nothing to do with the rest of the show That's why you got fooled Because the actors are really good at their jobs Which is how people like you who are simpletons get fooled. You're giving him more credit He he didn't just he went I thought it was a good to be good acting, but turns out it was good acting That was a good way, baby. Wow. I was wrong expectation subverted Dynamic personality on the comics page, but it turned out to be It's also it's adapted. You have no idea what to expect. Why would you think he's gonna phone it?   Yeah, this this line of work that they do and this environment that they work in You can't be a normal person and do this job for the tva When you're dealing with like, you know Conflict eradication of universe. Yeah on a universal scale across like multiple realities You can't just be sitting in an office just being an everyman just an average joe Did they ever specify what the criterias are which which variants they take For their work because I think they only tell us. Yeah, you were actually your variants like oh just like any of them Which one do you take? Probably, you know, if someone just goes off the breaks makes the wrong coffee. They just go Yeah, you can actually start working for the tfa tva at this point Well, they they mind wipe everyone as well.  No, not one. There's a melancholy to wilson's performance here That absolutely enhances the fairly basic character arc that he has on the page the revelation. Oh, he's just wasting time He's just To that 10 minute march.  Yeah, you want to get those two adverts in bro, don't you?  It's just wasted.  No, you love doing wilson Really? Wow Human life before all this is honestly, right? It's a black and white now He's just mucking with the filters It's so irritating.  What is this page? The revelation that he had in normal human life before all this is honestly something that I saw coming from a mile away But it still worked really well I saw it coming from a mile away, but it was great It was completely predictable Dude, I guarantee he was like, you know what by the end of wilson's program We're like, it's so sad that I used to have a life and the tva took it and then he sees that scene He goes phenomenal Yeah, I'm just saying he didn't get to write a jet ski yet. It's so good. Yeah That's gonna be the last shot of the last scene in the Loki series is Owen wilson jet ski He's gonna stand on it. He's gonna stand on a pier and look into water's jet skis just goes like Wow Then row credits If he doesn't write on his jet ski across the water towards the camera winks and says kachow I'm gonna give this a zero out of 10 The thing that I saw coming from a mile away But it still worked really well in large part because of what wilson brings to that role What could have felt like lazy stunt casting ended up really working in loki's favor here And the rest of the cast is really So really that whole section was just him saying Owen wilson had a good performance Yeah Because because all of it was fluff he was like I expected him to not have a good performance And I expected that because he was playing a character that is more of a bit part However turns out he was actually a good performance. You're like wow Nice. That's what I think about how much time to that way that's that's That's my Keep it going solid too. Both of raw's performance is rent slayer probably won't get as much attention as the leads Or the big guest star in the finale Oh my god, and she was just because the character was less important and she I just hated her though. I really hated her What did her character bring? What did her character bring to the show?  She doesn't even get her comeuppance for all the murder that she wants to still continue to do I thought she was great. She really needed to give a performance that kept the audience on their toes going from Why To kind and back again over and over when was she ever kind? Oh, she wise when she wasn't killing Owen wilson. She just drank a drink at one point. That was nice When was she ever a character? Yeah, she's like Yeah I'm I'm curious how this is going to tie into why marvel needed loki I mean Are is girl boss and female loki likeable in any way in any moment of the show? Did you uh, I'm finding them endearing.   No, they're fat. He's just like yes, my lady.  I still have to keep murdering Timelines.   Oh god.   I swear to god Really? Yeah, it's kind of humbling Yeah, a little bit well because when we even asked the guy we had on last week about the whole free will thing It wasn't even he like the first thing he said was like I can understand why that would annoy a lot of people We were like, yeah, you probably can And black widow sets up I don't know the hawkeye tv show to be clear. It doesn't need to set up anything That's it. That's it. We did it. We've reached it. He basically just judged the quality of the show by what it sets up next Yeah, I've done it. Yeah or how many products you can get excited to consume.  What about the story though?    That was it Cringe I mean avengers Remember he described this as this is what marvel needs it needs to set stuff up constantly Why doing this? It's gonna make everything worse No, you don't need to you you just need to have another story with some good writing Oh man, it's funny because like I haven't seen this video This this was wrong because I was tempted only by the title that this is what loki's I got marvel needed We have all that discussion over the consumer mindset and then he literally uses it as a as a standard of quality what it sets up Damn, dude. Well, all I've heard in this video, which is now six minutes 37 is um nothing nothing elwyn wilson does more than go whoa And set up new marvel consumes for me to consumes the consumption era To be clear, I wouldn't have any problem with that if the movie was great. It's not like I'm judging these off of So why bring it up? He's trying to get 10 minutes to leave him alone.   So he said it sets stuff up. That's one thing he said in seven minutes Well, wait, he also said but after that, you know says he doesn't count that as an argument for Quality so You guys have forgotten he said there was two characters who had different opinions on a situation. So true. This is like Basic thesis no, no, but that's common tree. That's not what marvel needed Well, this is what what i'm getting to referring to anything that he's saying We have you have to establish if that if your title is if your thesis statement is loki is exactly what marvel needed Then you need to establish that marvel was lacking something Yes, and what loki provides Here's a thing at all, but it's also just the thing that marvel needed to fill that hole Exactly. He hasn't done that. He hasn't done a single thing It's all the video's also got the thumbnail the next marvel phase I think the title and thumbnail are irrelevant of the video with captain midnight I think he does that shit later He's like, what's the what's the best eye catching title? I could be wrong Maybe he'll try and tie this all together by the end But um, loki is exactly what marvel needed is quite a catchy sort of video. It caught me, you know, i'm here.  Whoa That was wow girls can stab too As long as they have a totally still and compliant opponent they can do whatever they can do anything You can do when you come with how lazy and tossed off that movie feels in general It really makes it seem like loki was the important but this isn't lazy Loki's not lazy at all rags. Not at all. Oh, okay. All right. Remember that big conversation we had about the wheel building That was phenomenally detailed. The one that destroyed it. Yeah, which way would lazy Or the second time or all of the times Oh, okay That is a good point. Well, it was more of an afterthought But I guess I should probably talk about that setup a bit more All right.   I just thought you were like, you know, grifting for a 10 minute video. That's cool We all do that, dude. We've done it from time to time.   That's better. That's slightly better. But still Even then Are the audience at the galaxy? Yeah, that's got me so excited.   I mean ronan is like pretty thin to me, but I still like him like he was he's Yeah I liked I liked the zealot kree.   What are you doing? Oh, at least until he's the captain marvel and then like captain marvel whipped her dick out and he ran Yep, he uh, he got remember he was like we will return one day and he's like for the weapon He goes for the woman Oh my ronan, I don't think you will Nope I know some people thought he went a little too over the top here and don't get me wrong He went big with his performance, but I think it was the right choice given the character That's because he's a clown. I don't get it. How is this the right choice given the character? This is the master of all space and time You know this reminds me of and all the cause of those This reminds me when they said uh, this reminds me when they said in that video We watched that jesse eisenberg's lex luther like that was the perfect thing lex luther needs as a modern day billionaire of a tech industry Yeah, like that's what they were like. It's the perfect choice. You just said like that's the perfect choice It was not the perfect choice Where's brian crance to get him in there? Lex luther, you know, yeah, yep.  Music This is a character. It's meant to be done. I am done looking after the state of my line I am bored. I am had it.  Music's being the the one who remains just like I Like pressing I I envision in my head this alternate version of kang where He's so, you know, the emperor on the golden throne, right?  You said he puts your gun on the table and I can imagine him putting a gun on the table and the Loki's are like, what's that? You know, and what does that do you could honestly if you spend a long time on this get some really cool lines about like You know, they could talk about the concept of loss or damage and stuff and you'd be like, do you know many wars? I've seen Do you know like the proclivity that that man has Look how many wars I've started. Do you know how many wars that's how do you know what I mean? Your dad and children I've killed That could be a haunting line like he considers it his duty, right?  You know that right?  There's a thousand more who think they're even more special and someone chap actually brought up something really good that I like this idea of like Indiana Jones and the last crusade you have the old knight at the very end Trap in that catacomb guarding the grail Yeah, you know like that kind of vibe where he's just he's He's just physically frail and weak and he can't even like do what his task is to do There's so many Like all us losers on the internet coming up with way better ideas than these gajillion dollar Script writers can and we're doing this shit off the top of our heads All right. I know I see a thing. I gotta disagree with something that was said earlier though I think it was you drink. I'm sorry drinker.  Oh, sorry. Whoever said it. We'll blame it on um I'll take it if you want on on shoddy because he's gone. Oh, yeah, he's gone. There you go It was shad that said everybody it was shad It was shad it was shad all along Oh Yeah, I I don't think these writers cost a lot of money at all.  Just a four poster bed with the with the uh like blinds down So you couldn't actually see into the bed and met you could just hear this like machine was just like Pumping oxygen into this creature and you could do this wheeze of them Yeah, go with a more technology based theme instead of just lull magic Yeah, really like this like he says it went from the 31st century So like super advanced machinery And he's just on some kind of he's like Locked into this chair.     I can't remember where I left the table He's just got a huge erection In his nightgown His story changed significantly He touched him And it pays off Loki in the train saying I like a bit of both When it when I said finish me that wasn't what I meant It's just a story by the way. We still have got a better story here. What's the thing though?  I say day one 20 minutes of talking about what Kang could be Kang Skywalker and they did this.  He's Harley Kang Remember when he's watching the fight, he's like getting surprised and stuff If someone was truly burnt out with every event that takes place on earth They should be watching everything which is complete like a sullen phase.  Have you Nothing Nothing should surprise this person. He has seen everything that ever was Even if it's not something he specifically wrote. He's seen it before He's seen everything before nothing surprises him.   Is that it again? How's that work? He's like I'll show you You passed it and then he gets a tempad teleports to the end of time You'll see there is my stick just makes you go to the end of time. I know it's weird, right?  I don't want to shoot them. It's not classy. We're not barbarians Yes, obviously And I brought them to the end of the time so the evil cloud monster can devour their souls Like civilized people Of his own and as the mcu goes forward I'm really interested to see how different kang himself is from the performance that we get here My guess is they won't have much in common What's weird is that when he says the performance we got here like That reads to me the opposite of how he thinks it is Like this performance Like in a mocking sort of way like like how someone like in real life how someone would talk about somebody else Like what is this performance that you're doing right here? Yeah, but after me says he's not invested in the show It's it's saying that he's been taken out of the show Because he's seeing right through the actor So instead of being drawn into it. He's actually been pulled out He's curious about other performances from this performance because it wasn't good I'm like no wonder he's actually a good actor and can act better than something else I'm gonna be fair and say I don't mind giving this guy a chance to be like evil or whatever But the thing is everything's surround like I'm not I don't watch stuff specifically to see an actor do a job It's usually the story that I'm interested in Same here. How can the actor facilitate the story? Not the other way around pretty much.  Yeah, like I struggle to care unfortunately So the king will be as goofy as this but I yeah, you know, who would have been a better king is Heisenberg from as an evil village. He would have made a great king He would have tried to reason with the lobes and explain to them his positions and then Ethan would burst in my room and start killing him Where's my baby? Well, he's Heisenberg had a had some sort of conflict with the villain as well To try and link you in I want my token on this Heisenberg. Yeah, I didn't buy for you know why I brought you here Loki I don't buy for a second that this king had lived thousands of years Oh, not at all talking with modern vernacular and yeah, it's just everything is earth-centric in this entire cosmos Everything in the tba from earth full of humans. It's really frustrating It's like of all the planet Yeah, guardians set up the idea that earth is just one tiny place amongst a whole Is behind Much of the universe in terms of technology Like zandas got better technology. How come there wasn't a zandara and who figured out time travel? Why is it?  Yeah And they still wore ties and lab coats Yes, they wear the same. Yeah the same Same fashion. I think I was watching it with uh with you for you I was just like what he was what he was like. I found a lyre. I was like, is he holding a lantern Why does he have a lantern?  I don't even want him to be human. I want him to just be this other worldly creature who's so far beyond us You know that we just can't even like I don't want a relatable I don't I don't feel like this is a character who needs to be quirky and relatable It's it's it's it's irrelevant.  They've had plenty of them. They've got plenty of them All you're doing is discussing a specific one that you like in this specific show Uh, you know what?  You know, you know what one thing they could have done is We had that idea where the the the Kang is essentially this this old dude. He was just withering away in an old chair That's why he uses the robots of the time lizards That's why he has them because his physical form is just withering away So it would actually give a reason why the tea like there's no reason for the deception I feel Well, what's the point of the line at the feet of the bed or at the feet of the chair? There could be these three marionette puppets of the three space lizards that he's been using to to manipulate And it's all kind of like symbolism because you know, the technologies are all blending Into different time periods and and you know squiggly wiggly bits I just need why why did kang? Why did he need to deceive the tv a with the robot lizards? He made the tv a and they were subservient to him. Why weren't the tv robots? They don't no necessity for them. What so I was I was kind of looking forwards to a conversation With the the three time lizards and low-key like what are they gonna say?  Yeah, absolutely.  Yeah Because in in retrospect, right, it's like the show introduces this character He looks like low-key, but he's a completely different character Um, and then there's the other one the blonde girl and then there's the multiverse has been opened That's what this did as a show Like it wasn't really a story Yeah, those those elements will be used in other things now Yeah, it was all one of the subversion like if this guy this this clown who's this clown captain midnight, whatever Is that who he is? Yeah Captain midnight, right? This this clown's talking about subversion.  He's not actually the big great and powerful wizard of us He's just the guy from Kansas who's you know pulling levers and knobs and stuff. That's your subversion He's actually some guy instead of instead of being afraid of him being terrified of him in a sense So you almost like pity him and you you feel Super powerful standing next to him now that the machinations have been stripped away I almost feel like we've done so much subversion that it would have been subversive to do the normal thing He's actually like And he's the cowardly bear following Dorothy around I Think could make really incredible villain and the statue we see at the end gives me a lot of hope that it won't be a cg performance Why Why are you saying like it's a bad thing? Why would it be bad? Why is it bad if it's cg performance?  It's amazing And and again, why would you assume that it would be cg? Was this just an excuse to take a shot at Thanos because like why did you say that like we see We see him as a person that we know that he's going to be the villain It's like, oh, this gives me hope he won't be cg. Like why did you say that? Why would anyone say like okay? That was weird And the statue we see at the end gives me a lot of hope that it won't be a cg performance I think they did a solid job with Thanos, but I think kang would also benefit a lot from being a flesh and blood presence I don't think Yeah most cg performances are now people who are actually there doing the things And just brolin was there I imagine indy circus hearing this bullshit and going wow, holy fuck. Yeah, like playing seiza. It's like kind of incredible Even rocket is i was talking about golem shawngun rocket is shawngun, and it's really good. Yeah, and golem as well Great and circus, but it's just yeah, like seiza is more believable as a character.  He randomly cuts to Snarky network footage of likey and stuff from cars. He's now got to get rid of another two minutes before he can We only have a little bit left until the ad. Well, I think we're about to hit his conclusion The statement of that he's going to do it add. Yeah Uneasy lies the head that wears the Make sure we don't get it. We can't be right. I have no idea what this is from really Brother Honestly, I didn't really go into it expecting anything special below. He turned out. So you got exactly that mcu needed. Well, no, this show Oh, there you go He turned out to be exactly what the mcu needed at kind of the right moment that it needed it And while I'm a little afraid Establish this in like any way. Yeah, you just said it. Yeah, he just said everything I've been over. That's what it needed Yeah, he didn't he didn't say what marvel needed. Well, I mean like He said things wrong.  He pretty much said that's one of the things Thanks. Thanks, dude. I want to ask all the sheep who listen to this vapid content like but but really though So what did what why is Loki exactly what marvel needed? What did Loki have that the mcu didn't have just just because he watched a 10 minute video on it? So Subscribers I do want to point out as well it takes a lot to shut all of us up He can't he struggles to talk about Loki for 10 minutes.  I hate it. Yeah, that's the power of hatred. Yeah. Yeah. No I I hate it. It's the thing in marvel.  Yeah, but it had John Walker and it had it did but like Single unit of hatred toward a thing like irrelevant of the good things that could try and balance it out Probably goes falcon with soldiers still um Oh, I think Yeah, like Loki's worse, but I feel like after I've been so much my heart's been broken too many times, right? I just can't I can't bother to put the pieces back together again You know, I'm just like sort of done.  I just felt so apathetic about the mcu.    So hold on to your assholes. We're diving in What I mean, it felt like it ramped all the way up and then black widow just was like bye bye, Natasha Well, at least Natasha was good. Nope. Nope No one's safe It really I was I was talking with like a couple days ago.  Yeah, I don't actually care about like the universes anymore I'm just like, I just hope that we get a talented director who could just do a good movie And those will be the outliers And those will be the good ones Hopefully Yep Maybe maybe Maybe but I think that might be the It it'll be the Joker. It will be, you know, those kinds of things just the the weird projects that they just sort of Aren't you excited for Batgirl? Well, uh, you know what the it's the Batman is when everyone's going to be very very considered Oh, I'm very I'm not good concerned.  What do you mean? We'll be hilarious And Morbius is Early part of next year. You're right about it. It's just so much superhero shit coming out Yeah, yeah, well, I mean you look at next year DC's releasing like five movies The whole kind of four of them are black supermen Four of them are black supermen Yeah, four of them are black supermen The army of black supermen will reign supreme over the DC EU So I we maybe we've been going about this wrong the whole time in terms of how we divvy up like the mcu because Generally, we do it like post and pre-end game You know, that's like that's like the big dividing line seems to be end game where we almost move I know we got like multiple phases, but I feel like that's like the big first Thing is it all leads up sort of the end game and then we have that big divider Now we're moving on to the new era the next gen whatever you want to call it But maybe that shouldn't be the dividing line. Maybe this should be pre and post free will Maybe that's where we should be Well, that would be after the last five minutes of Loki or two minutes of a Loki As the new that we're the brave new world of the marvel cinematic universe Where people can actually have decisions and that's going to be where we draw the line Nothing mattered up until now. No, no is when it gets real time to get invested everybody Just when the women come in and we're making superhero movies not for the star of the movie But for the cameos like who's gonna see flash for Ezra Miller No one you'll see flash of bat flak.  Yeah. Yeah Yeah Truth is beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah Um, I'm afraid critical drinker has to leave us But before you go Do you want to do you want to tell them what you're up to lately? What what horrible takes you've had like Loki being bad? I feel better about it after this tonight Ben I was writing a bit of show It's been cathartic. It's just very Uh, but yeah, like, um, that that was a fun one to do but otherwise. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try and do Some nice movies. I want to review nobody Apparently that's quite a decent little action movie. So I'm gonna do that food Yeah, uh, I haven't seen it yet either. It's really hard to get as well It's like 16 pounds or something. It's like on amazon. I think it's really, yeah May sell the high seas for that one. But anyway, yeah, that'll probably be my next one. Um, and yeah I'm uh, we can plug it away. Um, thank you so much for for popping on and I'm glad you spent so much time talking about One of your favorite shows Yeah No, that's been a pleasure as always Yeah, man, um, you know, have a have a good night. Thanks for joining us and I'll catch you around on the intersphere As they call you my dude All right later.  Oh Let's get this video finished, shall we? I would like that very much Yep, see you needed at kind of the right moment that it needed it And while i'm a little afraid that all of these timelines will eventually make everything feel like it doesn't have any stakes at all We already got that Invented free will I don't understand Like how does your brain function? How do you do this? How do you how do you watch the whole season and you're like, yeah, I I'm worried that we might have an issue with stakes I don't shit Sherlock. Yeah We might I didn't really The mcu needed a con Why you didn't think the fact that they got rid of free will to be a little bit of an issue Uh, no, okay. No, no fine. No The fact that nothing that's happened in in any of the marvel films to date Meant shit because gang did it That's not a big kind of red flag to no. No, it's all good. It's all great Nice I almost like I did I did want you guys to see it because like these people are out there They just praised the show for no reason at all He hasn't even done that really. He's just spoke. He said nothing for 10 minutes and then gone Nice, okay Stick that one in the bank. Yeah, that's a good one It's a good show make everything feel like it doesn't have any stakes at all I didn't really feel that that was the case here Because because you're stupid that's thing.    Here's the thing. I'm not insulting him.  That's the this is like this Occam's razor That has to be the explanation.  I think Loki presents Sorry, it skipped for me. I need to I need to hear that It skipped on my end chat won't know what he said and they need to come on stakes at all I didn't really feel that that was the case here The mcu needed a concrete direction to go in after Thanos A concrete direction is all the directions, but we're gonna go all the directions again We created a multiverse.  Is that the direction Hawkeye is going in multiverse? Like what is that the direction that like captain america is going in a multiverse? Why is he describing the multiverse as concrete? It's not concrete. It's the officer makes a point.  It's concrete direction So we've gone from everything is predetermined to now every story A little possibility in a multiverse Of nothing of everything and nothing It has no it has no state Really this is what I mean sometimes they do baffle me like If if anything you could describe anything in the mcu is concrete This is the last on the list the last thing that you describe as concrete that I just phenomenal good job So how does that black widow story like I mean it doesn't matter anyway But how does it matter now that free will that there's like an infinite number of black widow stories? And we're just watching one. I mean is this the established universe or like what is it at this point? We're taskmaster store black widow Nothing nothing like this is this is my hate multiverses Nothing matters because there's a gazillion gazillion of them all Something different to each other opening something else None of them matter because they're all their own unique little snowflakes.  What is concrete really goes here?  I think it stands on its own as a fun engaging and at times really well written show based around hiddleston never well written actor There's your hook right there. Tom hiddleston Tom hiddleston or wilson. These are popular actors. They're charming and we're I mean that's basically what it is You're fighting the only the only around for the right. They're just there. It's like look We're still here, but there's what this is what happens. Look look at the things. I'm going to cry now Absolutely, absolutely. You're there.  So he said this is what marvel needs and he described it as at times well written Yeah Oh I love that because what does that mean think about what you're saying when you write this Exactly what marvel needed That's what like the fact that he doesn't realize if at times it's well written that means at times. It isn't well written Yeah, that's what that means. Why would you put that in your script?  He dropped your scripts Please Redraft your scripts. Come on. Don't just write down the first thing that comes to your head But fringy it is at times It is that time's well written. That's going to be dealt by it. Yeah Ten minutes. He goes to he goes to you got it. Well, let's I'm still hoping that he will say for his ad speaking of things which are well Speaking of things which you need, please Come on To be a bit longer, but I'll definitely be there either way I talked about feeling burnt out at the start of this video and I have to admit that youtube can really feel it Oh He didn't say speaking of things we needed. He's gonna be a sneaky segway. You can smell the ad. It's coming You can smell the ad when people say, I'll be feeling bad, you know, I just I need something to help me out He didn't get to 10 minutes. He's nine minutes. He didn't even get to 10 He didn't even well the ad is baked in, you know, the ad will Yeah, it's it's amazing. He uses the ad to facilitate more ads. Yes. Yes, you're right That's a 40 chance.    God Get into it and it's funny because you got like the the set up here that he's it's like moving through We're just waiting.  No, no, no Thinking activity to focus on can go a long way towards recharging. Oh, no, which is part of why I like using brilliant You're not allowed to use that word I feel like anybody who watches if I was gonna get so cynical about ads But you get what I mean like friggin eyes, especially I think just like From a mile away you can see this covered that he's trying to speak earnestly He's talking about his own personal experience that we've immediately clicked on to you're trying to sell me something you fuck Hey, I almost put a surf shark out of my loki video There's any time Common routine because it's usually if it's like something like brilliant or skill shared The the format will be something along the lines of like so I've been feeling x and I wanted to learn a new skill you know because And it's usually related to what you do So if you make videos you'll then promote the ones for videos if you talk about writing You'll promote the ones for writing if you do animation you'll talk about the ones about animation It's just such a clear formula Um, which is kind of weird because it's like I don't why just say what the product is There's a comedian kyle dunagin who does it the Best you you don't even think it's an ad because he's got like, uh, he does these impressions He's got katelyn jenner talking. What was it as he was talking some document his ads there. I don't know Document company or something like that. He's got katelyn jenner company. He does it's you got to see it. It's Hilarious The best ad insert i've ever seen in a video this thing you can make ads really surprising entertaining engaging And stuff it's just like this so this is the thing I think some people are just like confused on what exactly we're trying to say is just like this I've seen this a million times now The fact that this is called brilliant changes nothing could have been you can anticipate it Yeah, yeah at the end of the video like well, they're like loki. It's kind of a neat show So anyway lately i've been feeling and i'm like, no And that's why this is exact loki's exactly what marvel needed What I need right now though is to another skills.  It's an erection I any questions for you guys want to do for your personal skills. I'm sorry. I don't know when do I do those? I don't believe that captain midnight. It's like, you know what I could brush up on my geometry fundamental Learn the best position to put my two adverts in for my free free. This is how you know Did he say I actually use this by the way if he didn't say that he doesn't use it But if he said yeah, it's so Freudian. It's so Freud as one would say Oh I love it. Should be like that.  It's boring Mm-hmm. It's for yourself Normally, I'd be a little too overwhelmed to check out questions on something like gravitational physics But what? This is exactly what Loki needed. Yeah, Loki. Yeah, the writers needed Like, you know what I want to learn about gravitational physics today I do should I do the lawn should I do the dishes? No, let's learn about gravity of my life Oh Dude, if I it's got a brilliant calm What you should do is try to appeal directly to the people who would be interested in this to be like You know, not all of you are doing like the the youtube thing Some of you guys might want to you know, I don't know get into the sciences get into physics build some spaceships Hey, do you see that that that like dick ship that went into the sky that um, the jeff bezos was on That's pretty cool.  I just I get that impression Yeah, I feel like the the intellect that was printed that was presented during the you know the video the nine minutes that we got I can believe that this guy's into Astrodomical Or whatever it was I'm picturing if gary was given this to sell like a picture of it is a little rooms feel like if you want to learn about um gravitational physics If you want to learn how I keep all my action figures on the wall go to brilliant If you want to expose the Illuminati lie that is the force of gravity to keep the truth of the flatters away from the population You need this video.  Oh my god, hurry up Now 99 left.  I want to learn about gravitational physics. You kidding me. Hell, yeah It's probably a good service. Um, it's probably is. Yeah It's probably a great service. It's just these ads that these guys and that's not even brilliant fault. It's kind of an ad fault Yeah, if he was passionate about this product, he could make a really good ad. I'm sure of it You can make a great ad for basically anything. I've seen good ads for great shadow legends as much as I hate that game Because I would find it more engaging if the video sort of sawns off completes low-key.  Look at the things I can do and it zooms in it goes. Wow with a picture Look at the things I've learned. This is just a great dash line. Do you see? Do you see?  Wow That happened No, if you don't understand how Have you ever wondered why things are smaller the further they get away? I don't know.  Where does the bread go? It's a way Does it get everywhere?  Could go around the world 27 times Brilliant has the how far did your dad run away from you calculator You can calculate to a mathematical percentage of point like of 10 decimal points.  So I need to learn um Has she found a linear model with the smallest sse That helps me, you know, just get the creative juices flowing To keep things simple for now, let's look at the case where Susama has three data points.  I know where's the summer's data points.   Oh, yeah I'm sure you're Listen, this guy is the last person who needs to be talking about neural network We have some detours at a few intersections if you catch my dream, you know What would kill the whole ad is if he says you could be like me with brilliant. You're like, oh god No, please god, no I don't want to be the retard Lord look at this designed around respecting your time and helping you make progress every time you use it Thanks for respecting my time.  I guess it's the radio. I don't know Imagine like an old-timey hero reviewing current superhero media as like any he appeals to his old Sensibilities a lot or like how things have changed But at the same time you got to let the new folks, you know, get there get their way in the world Your whole fun.    Like are you seriously down to I'm going to press x to doubt on that one Yeah, there's going to be a time in the probably not too distant future where documentaries Will be made about the cultural phenomenon that was game of thrones And its production its development. It's it's it's Domination of popular media for almost a decade and it's unprecedented decline into relevancy It is like it's actually it's documentary worthy And once a little bit of time passes that will come out And this guy's like HBO those are enough but HBO will find out when house of the dragon comes out and nobody watches it Uh, they they oh, yeah, they're they're still no one's gonna watch it. You think it's gonna get really really be um Really I think a couple million people will watch it. I think it'll be like an average HBO show But the execs I mean they're reeling because they they that was the cornerstone for their streaming service, right?  Yes.   Wow big surprise Um, but yeah, that that about does it for low key for today Good five a half hour chunk Um, which means we're probably gonna jump right into the super chats and I I already oh my god. I have to pee. Well, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I have to pee. Whoa Also my bladder is full All at once. I think those two things are connected No, I'm gonna grab the petroleum job If either of you wanted to Well, I say either if any of you want to want to jump out I figure this is a this is an interesting interval to sort of do it It's completely up to all of you if you want to want to keep hanging out or not I think I've got to um after yesterday's friday night tights, which took me up to Six o'clock in the morning Uh, if I had two hours sleep, but I I needed to come to this because I didn't want to let you go down because you've been You've been popping into so many of our streams recently more than I I had to return the favor Is that uh, well, I mean it's fun.   Just a little bit. Just a little bit more nearly 500,000 The youtube work and it's magic. It is. It is. I gotta jump out too. Sorry moller. I would stay but sorry Well, go one by one. So if you want to Uh, tell people about your channel what you up to why they should um Well, I need to sleep. I don't know how long I'm gonna sleep for so maybe Subnautica sunday tomorrow.   So thank you so much for coming on as and uh, Thank you for having me everyone.  Oh, it's all about the gravitational anomalies of the illuminati and the flatters And entertainment, uh, you have to open up your neural networks people. That's right. You should subscribe Gravitational anomalies brilliant No, hey, uh, please. I have a really long after this wonderful live stream. I have a Long for me. I know you guys are gonna laugh. Loki review Uh, that's like a half an hour long and um, that's long for me It's like captain midnight videos.    Thanks guys for having me on uh, subscribe if you like what I do But subscribe to everybody here if you haven't because they're all great too And it's always an honor to be here. Uh, and thanks for having me on Yeah, man, that's what chudle is and have you both um, we will catch you both the next time we do Can do you mind if I just quickly address a question from the chat that was uh Why is captain midnight not sound like the mic on in the slightest? Yeah, yeah Do you have any uh, like uh bites about the the blizzard drama the activision blizzard drama that's uh I'm holding at the moment Uh, all I'll say at the moment because because it's unfolding.  No sympathy for them at all It is a scum company.  I like that company. Yeah Using it all the time now. Yeah, that's a freebie. Take it. That's a freebie. I appreciate that I'll give him a like suckers at the bank Hails So thank you very much indeed and I'll I'll see you all soon. Hopefully cheers guys.  So activision is being sued I think they're being I can't remember they're either being sued or they're at legal proceedings going with the state of california Or over like widespread rampants like sexual harassment uh-huh But they're so woke they would never do that the The really disturbing one was there was a woman who Committed suicide And the the the reason Is owing to a relationship that she was in with like a like a superior um and Before that happened. There was like a Company event or a function where they were passing around pitches of her vagina. Oh, it's like dude like this.  That's if that's true. That's really bad How do you live with yourself like if that's something that you've done You know, yeah, that's uh Like especially I'll haunt you forever dude. Yeah, or well presumably it would if you yeah, it's really it's and somebody said so Ubisoft again, it's like scenes that way. Yeah This one's being investigated though specifically by like the state of california, which makes it sound like they've got like a Shit ton of evidence. Yeah, that's why would why would they pursue if there wasn't something Yeah, if there wasn't A lot that they could go off of Well, um But yeah, are you all happy to we we we go almost? Oh, yeah, I'm going. Yeah very well Yeah, I'm sorry.  That's phantom menace. Sorry I like the phantom menace. What do you what do you guys think? It's okay to like it. It's all right. It's okay to like it, but it's bad things in there that I like as well Don't worry. I like it, but yeah bad I like quite gone gin I like the lightsaber fight in the pod race I like um I like a lot of the sound effects are very good. I like a lot of those uh, yeah, like a lot There you go Hope everyone's having a little you boost me nothing to me chat. Wow My own chat bullies me all the time. I'm used to this kind of You guys don't even have as good as the bullies I usually deal with Um, hope everyone's having a great day I yeah, I'm fun I'm glad that Loki's behind us now because that show is fucking slog I'm ready to never I don't even know if we talked about everything because I've like no we didn't No, we definitely didn't talk about everything. Yeah I didn't expect we we start at the end because I took like notes for every episode But I didn't even really look at them. Honestly. It was a weird one. I was I mentioned to rax I didn't I wasn't sure about the format for this one because I feel like the smart thing to do Is to start with how this all happened instead of like explaining the lie and then explaining the truth That's the name of the song Which when when when you get when you get the the record scratch and then and then the music starts Oh, right. I wonder how I got here. That's Yeah, um, because this is the thing we would have been able to achieve quite a bit just by going chronological because like All Kang does is change the framing a little bit in terms of the truth But at the same time Why not just tell the story as it's displayed in the sixth episode and then go back Um, I think we covered the important points though. Loki's assassination. Oh, yeah, absolutely And then we we saw this great video and I just feel like I wasted all these notes because apparently that's nothing you need to do Yeah, I mean, I was you know, it's still effort that was not Totally wasted now, you know, just quite how awful the show is Yeah, it's just I could just go through the notes I have just Just with the notes just on the stream and probably could feel like at least an hour With stuff and I probably said I wouldn't have talked about anything and then you have this rambling garbage for 10 minutes And one minute add one and a half I mean, he was struggling to fill that script up. You could tell yeah I'm not gonna make a video about Loki forget a chat No one should have to have that curse Can we get the metal rips and look a video? I pretty sure I talked about it a bit on on on my stream, I think Yeah, just go watch that chat so I just Read into it a bit more because I know I've looked at this apparently it's after a two-year investigation by the california department of fair employment and housing um There's a big old list of workplace issues. Um The the documentation of a cube crawl where male employees drink copious amounts of alcohol and harass and grope women male employees publicly discussing sexual encounters um Female employees discouraged from talking uh taking harassment issues to HR because members of HR were close to the harassers in question And then the big one the the employee who committed suicide Um do that relationship and then they passed around those explicit photos at the holiday party Yeah Yeah Yeah, like this is the kind of thing that like it's actually a huge issue that needs to be addressed And it reminds me of all the times that like all the all the crying wolves You talk about things that are just inconsequential.  Yeah, that's yeah, that's what I'm saying Like this is this is serious It's really bad Um Yeah, it's a two-year investigation. It's like well you gotta imagine that there was a lot that they managed to uncover Um Do any of you watch a youtuber called maxa or max or I would recommend his newest review on a game called control It looks like a gem I've heard of that name. I've heard the name, but I haven't watched him It does sound vaguely familiar. I'm not sure though I've heard of control the game. That's by remedy. Yeah Oh, okay played a little bit of it like half an hour, so I think it's like kind of uh Because they made like max pain and stuff, but it's it's like a metroidvania structure thing I think compared to like there are other stuff which is more linear Um high wags Hello. Hi frog daddy g Oh, hi. Hi german Hello, I know to beard Hello shad. Hi az and hello to the british guy mohler. Hello. Um while it's on friday night tights I think it was uh, I don't know if it was christie may or uh, or who said it or not, but um I was just talking and and she said um, it's cool to have like a british voice on the show And az was just like staring at the camera Oh my god Um, so it ain't so This is all available daddy loves his baby girl Oh my I don't know. Are they asking everyone to say that or are they I don't know. Daddy loves his baby girl Daddy loves his baby girl. Oh my goodness gracious Hey, that's two out of four. We did it. Yeah, that's pretty good considering here um Rick and morty efap episode have rags watch the show already. I mean, well We kind of did that, you know, as in we we had an episode talking about rick and morty. I don't know what um What else we would say about it right now Not right now. I think we need to wait until the season's done Yeah, like um, you know, maybe it's a really shit season then for you to get some furia and make a video about that Uh, maybe maybe Well, it's it's funny you you wrote up me six today because I watched that episode today as well Yeah, it's fantastic Plenty of people like that joke is not funny. It's hilarious. There are these it's it's To sit here and explain to you why it's really funny that there are these guys who need to help with meaningless Like small tasks and stuff. Oh, he must have heard something. Oh, oh boy. You heard what you said about him fringy What?   Come talk to me about it. He doesn't want it. He doesn't want me to talk to him about it at all Like enough talking. That's enough. You've talked enough enough talking. No, my head's high. I'm enough. Leave me be All right guys Bye Um, what's uh, oh if uh, if Yeah, with me like I find it an endlessly amusing joke that there are these little guys these blue guys who pop out of a box who help you with your problems But they want to die Because that's their purpose is to help you and then die They can only die if they if they finish them if they help you that's right.  Okay It's like right on the first one like it's like a like a like some stubs like a beard is like Yeah, I've been awake for two days. That's an eternity in b6 time I fear the worst your failures are your own old man. I'm mr. Meeseeks.  Meeseeks. Look at me Sinister tone of voice Because I always do the whole mr. Meeseeks. Look at me Yeah, that's what I'm angry Hey, look at me. I'm clear. Look at me. Then if we focus all our efforts on jerry's follow-through We will solve this problem. I'm mr. Meeseeks. I'm mr. Meeseeks. Look at me The only thing that's clear is that chug it up is the one true solution Just I just I think it might be one of my favorite lines of rick and morty just screaming to the habits What I find interesting about the whole thing with rick and morty's some people came away from the episode we did With that was captain midnight again, right Yes, I can now from uh the the decoy episode. Yeah So some people were like, um, it was a really cringe segment because uh, all leaf I've been doing We're trying to say that something was objectively funny and I was interested by it because um If you think that saying something is not funny is your argument And then we try and respond by explaining the layers or the writing of the joke Then it's like wait. Why would you have started if you thought it was like an exclusively subjective concept anyway? Why even bother telling me? What exactly does that do? Um, and by the way, I do think that it is pretty much subject. You're not gonna find something funny But um, as we've said before a joke being written we can talk about how it was written why it was written what it means and stuff But yeah, I just I find it fundamentally like Contradictive the same people would be like why are you trying to tell me it's objectively funny The whole reason you brought it up was to tell me that it wasn't funny that it wasn't funny Yeah, I'm saying you're like, oh well it was funny now what? Yeah, exactly just don't say anything then If you if you wanted to pull the cards like why is all the other thing? I can sit here and tell you why I don't think the bojack jokes work at all I can I can sit here and give you some reason but if you just tell me, oh, it's not funny. Oh, what? Oh, I miss the basics. Oh, yeah, isn't that funny? It's like, yeah, thanks, bro Well, yeah, in the same way that they go, oh, it's repetitive and then we explain how the joke evolves and they go, well Well, I still feel repetitive. Oh, cool. Awesome.  Well, even was I've forgotten already dammit gravitational physics. There you go Yeah, exactly Yeah, and they all expect that we're gonna recant the whole like rick and morty was great up till season five episode three Just like guys, we're not gonna that's not that is not a position. It was It wasn't randomly arrived at that's something that we've helped for a while Yeah, because we don't just like flip coins on this shit Well, like I was watching rick and morty before I'd met fringy and same for him with me like we were Just something we both happen to like and then when I met j j's like, yeah, one of my favorite shows rick and morty It's like, oh neat now.   This is bad And then there was like two jokes.  That was scary. I don't know how to deal with these types of things Especially when you when you come from come from the the the shitty things we've been watching I was like, oh rick and morty like the last episodes were all great. This is at least got to be decent Then you sit here.  You know, this is this is the one I've been trusting Yeah, it was it was that feeling. Yeah, it was the same thing. It's like dude Like remember when we watched episode two and it was just like, oh man like rick and morty God, it's so nice to have just this reliable thing. Yeah, that's good.   So why talk about the concepts and explore Yep, that's exactly what you know, see this is one of those things where cosmonaut sucks You'd be like you don't believe this you just said it, but I know you don't believe it Because like you're just trying to get out of the conversation I guess but like the idea that we never talk about it unless it's possible Get out of here get out of society for example like I don't know what to say What should someone like iron man do with his level of power? It's like well, there's no it's not real There was no iron man. Yeah. It's like, all right cool. Get out of here. Let's not talk about stories then You're sitting a little corner while we can talk about these things Yeah, real politics real the people who understand hypothetical like Things can talk about them. You could be over there Not understanding them.  I don't have to address the morality of this if it's not possible I'm starting to think of like say for example Why don't we even say it's not possible at this point once we get to cloning and shit? Like you believe it's not going to be not possible Yeah, that's that's the other point is I'm not I'm not sure that it is going to be impossible forever But let's go children of men for a second and be like, yeah, there's no more kids in the world And the the species is going to slowly die and then someone's like is it wrong to kill children? And someone's like well, it's not even possible. So who cares? Yeah, like what? Oh, cool, bro. Like what are you doing? What is that answer?  Yeah, and like calls it was convinced. It's a good idea.  He's like Loki The show not the character And I don't know like Why would you say something like that? To escape the conversation. I think you didn't want to talk about it. Yeah, but if you don't want to talk about it Don't talk about it. Just don't say anything.   It's like Yeah This is a deep thinker right there.  Yeah Yeah, modern day Socrates. He doesn't want to grapple with questions because You'll never have to actually make a decision. I don't believe that it's optimal therefore.  He's such an interesting dude Fine when you go marry him He just He was one of the pioneers of uh, the concept of objectivity separating Well, I mean, I think uh, I think like our patron in a way long removed. Well, the really cool part was um Just just uh, it's the process the process of how do you get to this conclusion? It's just asking questions of yourself and trying to figure out the answers to that question and then taking it from there It's just a really good fundamental process And it's funny because I got pioneered thousands of years ago, but like even still we still working on it like they're not We're still not doing it. Diogenes was cooler. Diogenes was a gigachat though. It's it's unfair.  He's not real. Well, you're right. He doesn't exist anymore. So he's not lying.  Yeah, like it's it's it's uh, it's it's legitimately up for debate Whether homo was like one person or a collection of people across history Oh, really? I didn't know that well because in springfield or whatever Nice. Well, I mean, that's yeah Well, that's that's the interesting part right is uh with um With with homers. It's like well, it was so long ago Nobody knows exactly where the stories came from So why would we assume that it was one guy and not just multiple people? Creating and and building on the story I do I do personally like the idea though that homo was just a guy like just one guy who came up with this really cool like story for his time that that's uh, there's something neat about that But um Yeah, we don't know that there's a lot of these figures where we don't quite know The interesting thing is like a lot of these guys were lost to history for a long time So who knows what people we we still aren't aware of Who was super who had lots of interesting things to say because we just haven't really figured that out Do people say that about Shakespeare? I think they do Um said about a decent amount of writers the idea of like how many of what How much of it is attributable to one person rather than multiple people? um It seems more likely to me though that homo was multiple people just because it was so long ago and because like That didn't really exist like stories like that up until that point Because I think I think the Odyssey was like the second one after Gilgamesh in terms of its scope um For like a story back then Or even a narrative at all really a big narrative that was written down an epic poem Well, yeah Because I know I know like World strokes, but I feel it was like one of those classics that you should read I think that's what they're they're really called. They're epic poems Yes, they were called epic poems. Technically. Yeah. Yeah um, I need to read um Paradise Lost as well I have that Going around. Yeah, too much stuff to read Why do we get in this subject? Oh, right Socrates because the modern Socrates about time cosmonaut And the next one says Fringu calm down. Hi rags Hello It's like speaking into the future Yeah Little long bone of mule flington abbey. Have you given any thought to a kong fap movie fap of peter jackson's long kong? It'd be a movie fap for the ages. I think you said that last time and uh, yes I'm not sure when But yes, we are still still on board with the idea.  She is That was a fun noise good pun Yeah, it was a fun noise Uh, don't you just love the on-the-nose dialogue in the show? I see a scared little boy shivering in the cold I'm a hedonist. I could be wrong, but Loki never struck me as a hedonist thoughts Yeah, he's not a hedonist. He was very cold and calculated and he wouldn't succumb to earthly pleasures and Yeah, if anything he was he was basically he was like a uh macchiavelli More than anything else Yeah The only time I could think of like maybe when that would come out is when he's won Um, and the closest we'll see of that is in ragnarok Other than that, that's what i'm saying is like the he's gone control of asgard He has everything he wants and he's just sort of lying down and watching plays and stuff because he's like, yeah, I did it Yeah, I achieved my goal so He's not gonna be doing that. Yeah. Um, yeah, I really hate the dialogue in the show. There's lots of lines that piss me off Um, like for example when they like watch out for his illusion projections And then he's like, um, excuse me illusions and projections are different things You see because an illusion is like, look what are you doing? Why would you want them to know this to them? Yeah Yeah, that's right. They think yeah, they are the same thing. Yeah Yeah, that's right. They sure are you bet That's uh, right. You got it. You did it. Good job. You guys are congratulations.  Yeah h a i x you Ike sue Hi hi zoo. I yeah, I don't I don't know who that is I don't know who that is Nothing ages worse than seaman. Shad looks at his olden children. Yeah, you're right about that. Love you shad Oh, that's true um Wow another reactionary type stream gosh don't can you at least leave jay's house vid while on while you're doing While you make it That's a reference that's a reference It's actually an additional chapter in that story now and it might be on the next e-fap that we go over it Um, oh boy, really? really Wait, you know Okay, oh, oh, oh, I shoot right. I think rags and metal don't have full context. They've probably heard about it though You told me about it. I'll uh, I'll leave the the mystery for you guys um Yeah, I can't remember if I told metal anything though Did I show them the meme? I did have some messages with jay today. So I might be I'm not entirely sure how Up to date those infos are though Yeah, probably on next saturday. Um, we'll we'll maybe cover it depends on what's what's on the docket, you know It's quite a funny development though um Tell me why uh parts the caribbean 2 and 3 are bad or you're a massive um I don't know that I think pirates the caribbean 2 is bad um The last time I watched I think I came away thinking like there's potential and there's some stuff that I really like that they're doing but um Can't remember what the question but three I remember being like shit man That is bad and the problem is I haven't seen them as so long but I can't be really I can't really be that specific Um, I don't know if you guys have any specific memories of why two and three were bad Last time I watched it was when we did like the marathon thingy like three years ago or something. I don't know Most of them. I don't think I've watched those. I've watched the first movie and then I watched that one you showed me the most recent one Dead men tell their tales, right? Yeah.  I can watch it again. That'll be fun. Yeah Well, I'd be fun to watch the first one Oh, yeah, first one's awesome. Oh, yeah The first one was the one with that cool fight in the spinning wheel, right? That was uh, that's the second one That's yeah, then I guess I have seen the second one. All right, light That's the other thing as well parts caribbean soundtrack.   I even said he was more villainous by the time Thanos killed him than he was in the first episode of Loki show. What the fuck's going on? Really weird and you could just tell they wanted a different character.  Jesus.   Yeah like Kenneth Branagh and Joss Whedon's work and then this person just took it was like this is mine now and it's not this is mine now It's different. Oh, yeah, that's right. Kenneth Branagh made uh The first one, you know, there's gonna be more people involved of course including Tom Hiddleston, but I just it's just sad. Yeah It is it is uh, yeah I can't we just have bad guys What was that sorry? I wonder if Tom cares or have you even read? Don't know I'm cares deeply, but I think he's probably I don't know.  I played him to perfection, but I didn't like it Look like that. Just like yeah, well, you're probably not allowed to disparage like Yeah, you're probably not allowed to yeah That's lame Howdy, I tried to break down exactly how bad the dce used Jesus slash Superman imagery was in a theological sense because I'm Catholic But I'm it's so contradictory.  I guess I don't know like that's super interesting though That'd be interesting to think about like how Because it's clearly Jesus imagery and it's like, hmm How is it actually fitting into like what you guys are referencing? Yeah Yeah, that's that's really uh, that's does he want to I don't yeah I don't get that post does he just want to give the world a big old hug. I just don't I don't get it I think it is a really simplistic I'm gonna go ahead and speak and be super like charitable towards the I would imagine that it is an incredibly shallow interpretation of anything to would like Jesus or Or um, or you know, it's a kind of shallow when it's literally just like an image reference Yeah, I think that's shallow It's obvious, but it's shallow like it's obviously trying to be religious symbolism I don't know if you guys get me backward here. I'm saying like saying it shallow is like giving it too much Yeah, I know it's man.  Those are pretty sweet A lot of recommendations But I think we can all agree three efat movies that need to happen our ice age At least the first one dodge ball and jim carries ht gsc What's ht gsc? I was about us. Yeah, I have no clue Feel like I should know it. Whatever it is I got no idea. Yeah I'll rely on chat Good chat chat chat But um, I mean, yeah, we could probably do ice age as a selection at some point How to Grinch. So christmas. Oh Oh Yeah, we could do that. Oh Maybe we could do a grinch arc. We could do the original. Yeah, we could do live action and the elimination one And when they remake it with well, they did They did a couple years ago. Oh melissa mccarthy remake of Don't say it's impossible. Okay. Well, I mean we're already got little mermaid and she's Ursula. Oh, man We agree Man like Why can't they oh Yeah, think about all these remakes and I got a comment on my video where someone's like, why do you care? It's like because do you realize that like the people who are employed in this industry could be making other films, right? Like they could be making something else They could be making something running their own characters and stories Nah You really need life experience to understand that Loki is a product of its time Frankly, if you just like it, you're wrong slash ass. Well I think you'll find that plenty of people think it's phenomenal Um, and they are coming all size and shapes all ages And uh, just yeah, just tread lightly, you know some people think the Define, do there's any kids growing up that considers like they're gonna be like Loki was like my show when I watched that That was my show and I was growing up.  Could you imagine? I can't talk on the all the other kids in the short bus. Yeah What's your favorite show like Loki when I grew up, I wouldn't be an alligator A lofty goal.  Even if you miss you'll land amongst the swamp A run of fresh swamp What ha what are you doing in my swamp? Why is gary here boo get life experience? Well, he would have the most life experience. So he has the most. Yeah Makes sense to me Shad thoughts on Dark Souls 3's coiled sword and then just says rag Oh Um, yeah, I guess well we cannot find the answer to that today Um, I don't know how to get more Kang's came to take over we to believe Kang just Snipes other timelines to keep other Kang's from being born to usurp It's like the decoy episode of rick and morty. They start dressing up in squids and killing each other Well, here's the thing.   Yeah, this reminds me of Mandalorian where it's like, how do those fobs work? So we might get that in season two if someone says we might get more explanation on how Kang organized the timeline It's like the small animals like nah. No, we're not getting anymore. This is all we're getting We were lucky to get that What if at the very end it wasn't Kang?  No, I don't know about that my dude We need more content More content More content. We needed out in time for the investors to be happy. The next thing to be things In the soon actually pretty sad thinking about captain midnight. What are his points of praise was how it sets up more stuff It's like no, man. Yeah, it's it's pretty depressing You're the perfect person that disney just needs more of yeah They love you man. You're the reason. I mean, that's the thing.  Like you are just the perfect consumer like you are you They love you just accept buy the product get excited for next product There's a reason that meme is undying at this point. Yeah, it really is How does it feel to see all your favorite franchises die? It's great. It was great. Yeah It was great Move over touch grass and welcome frolic in the mud Yeah Hello all more importantly high rags Hello, I'm a blazing bisexual myself, but I have trouble talking to females any advice I don't know what bisexual has to do with the second part. Um, so I guess he's in trouble with men, but he does with women Maybe um Let me see I guess if I could give you like advice in general It would be you want to be So have a sense of humor bitches love a sense of humor.  It's it's kind of self-explanatory Um, that's too generic though kind of um be You want to straddle the line between approachable and intimidating?  Yeah, when you um There's a gal who works at CVS close by and one time she told me uh some just stuff about her past life Uh her past life. It makes like her her her her just her past life When she was like part of the She used to she used to be Uh in high school and in early college She was a super talented swimmer and she was potentially bound for the olympics But one day she was hiking at pinnacle mountain state park and she really hurt her back when she fell Which kind of ruined her ambitions for Olympic level swimming and so she got into the military and Was doing army tours and she mentioned that she was doing armory stuff And that was one of the things that she kind of liked to do and I recalled some of this to her The next time I was at the store and I saw her and she smiled and it's a little thing But fucking just that's the thing. It's it's all that little things that add up Just remember what people tell you Yeah, ask questions. Ask questions is another good one. Don't you know come across as crazy But you know learn from what they're talking about and figure out what kind of stuff you think they'd want to actually explain when prompted Yeah People like it when you ask them questions oftentimes like a little show that you're interested in There are plenty of books that are on this as well If you need that just there are plenty of books you can read on this stuff if you if you really want to Imagine yourself in their shoes Would you want to hang out with you? Yeah, would you want to hang out which is funny because I wouldn't want to hang out with me But I would want to hang out with you Fringy That's all that matters, right? Is if other people want to I I am like strangely Like negative though about If we suck up to Fringy, are we green nosers? I think so Well only I guess in a certain sense. Yeah Hmm The more you know you have green poo Poopy shad. How do you pronounce king Arthur's lands? Is there a name for that? I don't know the name of his lance I they're not confusing it with his his his champion knights or lance a lot, right? I don't think so. I don't know. Maybe he had a lance Um, I'm not sure. I'm sure as a king he did have a lance, but he probably had many lances He probably had a ludicrous amount of lances Okay, so here I found something apparently this is the name Rongo minyad Oh the name yeah rongo minyad, okay Yeah post it in discord too Yeah, I mean it would be interesting to see if there's a better pronunciation on this shad's aware of or something Um Welcome back from the dead ass Yeah, has been doing he does sometimes I wonder if he has any time to actually uh sleep and eat and stuff He does a lot of streaming So glad to see shad a real australian finally hi If up on my birthday you shouldn't have currently bar hopping so have one on me you massives Oh, thank you Happy birthday Um, it's a good one me seeing new he-man superman's man of steel next nap yell All I've heard is it's disastrous from like everybody Um, and then of course there's the scores and then there's the fact that the marketing was a complete at Like jesus christ because I'm I'm just not into he-man outside of the memes.  I was like, I'm not gonna watch it And then I heard everything else about it's like man. Am I glad that I didn't watch it Rags says we like it's a political party Yeah, that's something someone said Vote efep. Oh talking Loki. Yay. I can't wait to put this newly tied noose to you What's the thing man going forward?  I feel like doctor strange that one like with spider-man. I'm hoping that's just not gonna be as big a part of it Just don't look all I ask. Don't assassinate him. Please don't assassinate him. Please. He's like the only character that's left Well, that's the thing. I've already like I almost feel like I've given up on doctors like he'll get ruined I feel like he spots. Yeah. I feel like he's screwed.  I don't think they can salvage it because I don't think they even recognize that there's a problem here Falcon and bucky are gone Yeah, they're gone. Shoot a lot of this maybe even Thor be okay. Hopefully well Thor in the guardians We'll be keeping an eye on them.  It's a really cool neat story I watched die hard again. I probably I It's funny. That's a movie. I know I watched at some point, but then I rewatched like man. I don't remember anything about this And I was like love I was impressed how solid it is. Yeah It's like damn super great movie great great uh great villain Just just when it starts how they tell you how did the relationship between uh him and uh His uh his wife is He was like, oh, it's just small talk between the limo guy and him's like, yeah, that makes sense. I've seen it Happening in real life without any problems. It's like It's not like someone's just talking to me in the audience Like I know these two characters are talking to each other and I get the info through this That's why I don't want us to think that from a lot of classic movies when people see them It's like so my movie I'm gonna need to have you know a set piece or two of action scenes I need to have a romance. I need to have a nice injection of comedy. Yeah, like all of these things. It was just like No, they were actually they were just really well written. They were really consistent as well Like yeah, just have great you can again You can have just some men sitting in a room talking to each other for about an hour Yeah, all right men Wow I'm just giving an example from a movie just a really a really great movie about Your biases showing About these these these guys in a room just talking about something Yeah, and that's all you need to have a riveting story I'm sure and you'll learn you'll learn all. Yeah, you know, it's just yeah So it makes me happy with a fellowship in moria. What big room That is a big room. That's true. Yeah, really big room. That's what I thought Bunch of men in a room Is wolf gonna be an efab 150? Well, I think the last we heard from wolf on an efab was 100 where he said He would only probably consider coming back for guest spot on 1000 because they sort of Excellent job to get here sort of thing But obviously just no promises for anything other than he is he's still absolutely off the internet from what I understand Thank you for entertaining me for hours. No problem. That sounds great Yes Back when daredevil was cancelled. I was pretty bummed but now I'm downright thankful that it got cancelled before the taint plaguing marvel ruined it Dude, they're coming back. Now. It's been rumored that vincent donoffere is going to be in uh in hawkeye playing kingpin Yeah, so we used to be sad because daredevil is popular like everybody likes the show So they're gonna bring daredevil like it would it would have been luckier was like iron fist If you liked iron fist and you like that show you're fine.  I just want daredevil to show up I want legitimacy.  I'm so worried about what they're gonna do I'm so worried. These are great actors and great characters and They'll they'll have great performances no doubt But I get so worried about what the material is gonna be Yeah, just do give like if you do daredevil let him do his own thing Maybe have like a character or two shot Maybe have spider-man shot But otherwise just let it be its own thing and I get worried as well because like daredevil was It's a mature character And like I don't see them doing mature stuff for the mcu not really Like I think they think that falcon and the winter soldier is like mature. That's like their mature content I think they think that It was like my politics kind of we we talked about politics for like 10 minutes in the show Yeah, you probably do better senator do better. Yeah This is me. This is riveting political commentary do better Yeah, uh, be very afraid. That's what we've learned. Yes. Be very afraid. Yeah um Working on case files and seeing nearly half of last night's friday night tight shocked here listening to guys discuss Minimum effort comic book release show instead of my fashion channels. Well done. Watch madmen, please Okay It's neat Um, but yeah, I've heard madmen's really good only haven't heard that Um, I know I was talking low-key, but I must ask if task manager mimics his opponents And taskie is mimicking hawkeye with a bow. How come he shoots the bow right-handed when rena's hawkeye is a lefty Because he's like a mirror It also show him The same side so it doesn't work, but it's like an inverse mirror.  And I think they mean as a show not as a character Yeah, um I'm not sure that Could this be an example of where it's like so if i'm not allowed to change anything in terms of the spirit of that show I can't make it all a dream or a trick or a bubble Well, so they're saying how would you fix it going forward and I'm just like I don't know that we can do anything about it Can because it's retroactive.  Yeah, everything came before it. It's retroactively ruinous to put another another way when you have something, um If you if you want us to make it so that we have to say that it happened and then we can work around it There are some things we can we can deal with that with for example, um The events of age of ultron and civil war try to make up.  How do you repair what happened in low-key? It's like I I don't know We would obviously first choice is to retcon it second choice is to ignore it third choice. Like I don't think there is one That's it the your options Yeah, I don't know what else we can do if we can't erase it if we can't say it's an illusion or a dream or You said man. I'm I mean If we have a multiverse Mm-hmm Yeah, if we have a multiverse now, then can we just start following a multiverse where low-key that where all that stuff didn't happen Well, isn't it? Even if you followed a different universe, it doesn't matter.    I can make you care about people Yeah, I know a crazy, right?    Oxa plasma Toxoplasma to xo plasma It's an infection caused by a single cell parasite called toxa plasma gondii When the parasite is while the parasites counter the world with a 40 million people in the us may be infected with it Oh, no It's considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the united states more, um Let me see Um Let's see So let me see found worldwide. It is capable of infecting virtually all warm-blooded animals But felids such as domestic cats are the only known definitive post The parasite may undergo sexual reproduction chad cats Wait, sorry what? Oh, no, it's the opposite of that. Yeah Toxoplasma gondii has been shown to alter the behavior of infected rodents in ways that increase the rodents chances of being preyed upon by felids Support for this manipulation hypothesis stems from studies showing that t gondii infected rats have a decreased Aversion to cat urine Because cats are the only host with within which t gondii can sexually reproduce to complete and begin its life cycle Such behavioral manipulations are thought to be evolutionary adaptations that increase the parasite's reproductive success Brats that do not avoid cat's habitations will more likely become cat prey That's what I I I misheard it. I thought it was saying that cats would like the only ones with an immunity to it It's actually the opposite. They're like the right after you said they would chads.  Also hi shad We're gonna say hi back We'll look like studies have suggested that subtle behavior Behavioral or personality changes may occur may occur and infected humans An infection with the parasite has recently been associated with a number of neurological disorders, particularly schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Hmm Interesting Uh mola played jackie chan stunt master for super chat. I've never heard of that. Have you guys heard of that? No, one more time. Thank you chan stunt master No, I don't know about that Also, I will be right back Not all makes sense.  I think we're gonna be going forward I don't know what's loki season two is gonna be about. I'm sure it's gonna be lame Loki will return it loki season two. Yeah, that was pretty cringy No Um gary any chance you and as will follow up babel on five with stagae sg1 also high rags Um, I don't know. I've heard them talk about that a decent bit. They're not Anyway near through babel on five the two of them. So If it happened, it won't be for some time, but hey, maybe they will Um, you asked before ds9 is like star wars. Oh g tng is more like mcu phase one hit or miss enterprise. It's like star wars et Voyager is like the clone wars overrated and probably the worst of the old track and new track is sequel trilogy My god. Oh boy. Yeah, I have to keep track of them all. But yeah, all right I'm very much. I'm sure someone in chess can be like what how could you compare that to that? It's gonna be like, yeah Give us a decade and we might have a star trek arc. Okay guys No We'll do a resident evil one, but not a star trek one.  Um, because I think it puts the doctor in a position of um, but I've told you this before and I I've told j We should do a stream on midnight sometime because I really do love that episode, but the doctor, especially tenants doctor Um is a good kind and intelligent person But gets aggressive when people are wasting time and not solving problems Um and will in a bantery way He has in several episodes like when people like how you do in x y and z and you be like because I'm very clever and you'll carry on Um, and so like but he's also the most ego driven doctor potentially. I'm not sure if someone beats him out Um in like one of the older ones Um, and so like his arc involves going on a huge ego trip But basically all these traits end up making him very formidable and threatening to villains that feel like they're winning But aren't actually And midnight is about like this parasite thing that gets inside a room with him and the rest of them like random civilians and like it's method of trying to achieve some form of a victory is by Making the rest of them turn on him and so He's like vaguely aware of this and is trying to solve the problem But as time goes on and more and more people get more frustrated with how ego driven he is They get more and more convinced that he's the problem and he should be dealt with And there's this moment in the episode that I love Where he's trying over and over again to explain how wrong everyone is until they're getting more and more aggressive And then he sort of realizes like halfway through that the more he annoys them by telling them He's smart the more he endangers himself and that's like his main tool And so he like feels threatened for the first time And it's just a bunch of humans in a room the people that he like spends most of his time trying to save I really enjoy it. I think the dialogue is pretty awesome too Throughout and of course, I really like David Tennant's doctor. Um It's not necessarily what I think the best episode of doctor who is I but it would definitely be one of the ones I potentially pick And I think it's awesome the whole like repeating words back and forth and Like lining up speeches and stuff and then freezing people in place Like it's considering how limited a lot of the things are in it. I think it's pretty spooky Um And yeah, and David Tennant's a really good actor too. So that helps I recommend anybody who doesn't give a shit about doctor who check out the episode called midnight Because um out of context it still works really well if you just understand that the main character is a well-traveled space and time alien Who looks to solve problems Okay Oh mel, you're here. No Also, why is wilfred mott your favorite side character? I don't know that he is my favorite side character He probably up there as well. He's uh, he's just a really stand-up dude who's trying to do what's best for everybody He's really chill and fun Um, I like the angel episode. Yeah blink is one of the other ones that's in that sort of format. I would say Do fantasy is usually set in medieval european societies? Why do you guys think an american mythology slash colonial fantasy story? But what do you think it would look like? Sorry American mythology slash colonial fantasy story um I suppose so that has to be generated from thin air right like mythological but american and I suppose One way you could do that is by looking at how more european medieval societies Um, how they reflect the modern and then if you look at modern america And imagine what a mythology based on that could have led to it Um, because we brought up one of the things before that was quite interesting where um in britain we don't describe how to get places by saying blocks and that's because Houses were springing up all over the place in britain and then they were l