Boom, we're on, Frankie Boyd. Is that a Zeissan? Is that a Zeissan? And the day's guess, we've got a legendary Frank Maccaveni. How are you, buddy? First and foremost, thanks for coming on, mate. Not a problem. But they do say God's attract gods, but in this occasion, I get shagged as I attract shaggers. I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know what I attract most, anyway. It's just late, I say, mate. There's no questions in this show. We just talk, mate. Just go back to the pass where you grew up, obviously, the mountains, to go back to the end, mate, where it all started. I grew up in the mountains before I played football. I had 14 jobs. I mean, I had worked. I did what I left school at about 14 and started working in a clothing factory. And it was good, you know, it was good fun. And they used to make dressing goons. And I used to get some out in the Fridays and all that and sell them to the old deers in the mountains. And ice cream vans. It was brilliant because they had all the ice cream vans. You'd see all the women coming out with the dressing goons, you know, you've sold them. Everybody mountained my dressing goons. I was an entrepreneur way back. That's it. That was your meeting and put on a dressing goons and then it changed the team. Some of them, you were like, nah, nah, nah, nah. But it was good, mountain was good for me. I loved it. I was born in Springburn, but I went to mountain when I was, my mum took me there when I was one. My mum and dad didn't have nothing, you know, James. But it was great, we didn't have a lot, but we got a lot of love and all that. And it was good fun. The mountain was a good place. Believe it or not, I used to leave the doors opened and the neighbours would look after you. You know, my mum worked, my dad worked and the neighbours would look after you. So it was pretty good, you know. It was a pretty good place to get brought up. When did the football start then? When did you start realising you had a gift?   First at 21, our older boys. And we used to play and because I never played football till I was really professional, till I was 19, they'd say, where did you get your touch? And that's where I learnt my touch because it was gravel pitch.  So it was great for me. So I learnt all through.  And it was great, I loved it. And we used to play on the street, growing up and, you know, the lamppost to the fence and the t-shirt, the jumpers doing as they go. It's great. It's all changed now, but it's fine. There's signs everywhere, no football on the grass and no ball games and you're like, what? You know, and I just, I think it's so wrong and I think it's such a lot to do with Scottish football that you're not allowed to do it. If you want to play football now, you've got to pay for it. You know, that's wrong.  Boys, I mean, I know you had a good pal of mine, Andy McClarnock, and I know he would have spoke of it, but he's doing a great job because some people have no good internet and all that, and all this nonsense, the government say that they want to play in their iPads and all that.  And it's terrible, but I know you're a lot younger than me, but I've never seen this country in such a state that's in and out. You know, I know you've done that thing and well done for that, the homeless thing, but I've never seen some of these food banks, and people try, you know, people don't get things to eat. My parents went, they were poor, but we had the dinner every night, you know, the tour had worked and, you know, we went, we had shoes and we were feeding all that. It would have been a lot, as I said, it would have been a lot of love, but nowadays I think, my God, it's just getting terrible. It's a worry for a lot of people, especially the deprived areas. When you got a line postal, Frank, you're set up for failure. What you've got is chemists, bookies, pubs, chippies, indians. You're surrounded by that.  Do you know what I mean? There's like four or five bookies in Sarasen Street. I know. I think there's two free chemists. I know. And these deprived areas, you're set up for failure. You're set up for failure. The chemists, you walk in the chemists, they're going to the Bronx, they're sleeping with the bars and all that. Oh, I know what you do.  I know. That's like methadone and that shampoo. Do you need that? Do you need an injection? No, I just want some shampoo. But for a man yourself, female, to get it, when did you, who was your first team you signed for, St Munn? St Munn, Johnson Burrough, was the first team. The junior team. The junior team. At the time when it happened, I used to go and play, I used to watch Celtic all the time, my dad took me all the time, and it was great fun, to be honest with you. And I used to go to the game, my dad took my uncle and we used to go. It was like a big thing, you know? And I was old enough to go money, he used to let me in the jungle and all that, as long as I was back 20 minutes before the, could've used to go to Celtic in, as long as 20 minutes before the end and all that kind of stuff. And it was great, I loved it. But I still played football at the time, and I used to play in the summer. And I remember playing for Cuxaiths and Pats. A cousin of mine got me a trial way, I can't remember the name of the team, but they were, they were, the YM or something, no one posted YM or something like that one. They were one of the good teams, amateur teams, and these guys, it wasn't good enough. And I'm like, okay. And I went and played in the summer with Cuxaiths and Pats. Pat McCloskey, who was coaching. So I went and played, and he says, look, I play the game, and against this team that, can't remember who it was, that long ago, but anyway, I absolutely battered them, you know, because he told me I wasn't good enough. So it was one of them, I battered them, scored a couple of goals, but I was playing them, I was always a midfield player. And I says, I don't want to play any more. And he says, look, can you come back, we've got a game next week. And I'm going, no, I don't want to, and he says, I'm playing against Cuxaiths Rangers. And I went, oh, I'll play that one. So it was, it was like the mini rivalry if you like Celtic Rangers. So Cuxaiths and Pats, Cuxaiths Rangers, Big Rivalry, Big Crowd, at the Cuxaiths Rangers junior ground. So it was good. I loved it.  But it was good. You could talk to the referees and then, as I say, I was walking through Glasgow in the Celtic game, get cancelled when I was old enough to go on and, and some of my pals, but then asked me to go and play for a team called the 200 Club. And the manager asked me to come along because it was short of players and he would give me a couple of beers after it. And that's basically, I went there and I played and there was a couple of scouts watching the boy I was playing against. And I don't know what happened to that poor boy, but my life took a wee turn that day. Is that what you're going to say to him? No, I went to, I signed for Johnson, but because they gave me £500 and they gave me cash, you know, it was great. Invest it well, did you? Invest it well, yeah, it was done for Sunday. It was super, I was buying everyone in Glasgow a drink at night, it was great. I was the king at night, it was good fun, but... That's a lot of dough back then. That was a lot of dough, yeah. But they knew because there was three professional clubs wanting me to go on trial, so they took a chance and they gave me £500 and said we'll still let you go on trial with the professional clubs. You see back then? So when I went and signed for, I actually went and tried with Thistle and Bertie, all my idol, one of my idols, told me I wasn't good enough. You're joking? No, he gave me a couple of games of Sub and you don't do that with trialers. And he said I wasn't good enough and I knew I was better than his team of Robus. And I told him that, so maybe I shouldn't have, but... Who were that? So, no, I just put my head under the water, I was sitting in the bathroom and he went, you know, because I was thin. Junior's your level. And I was like, oh, OK. So I'm back to Johnson, but I struck up his partnership with a guy up front called Ian McLeod, who was great. My still pals this day, which is tremendous, you know, way back then. And then I went and tried with Simon and I had two good games with Simon, then my third game I got sent off against Morton, the local derby. And it was a Rainfisher Cup tie. I was playing as a trialist and I got sent off because the guy in midfield was a nasty piece of work for Morton, so, you know, Mort bringing in for you. Morton coming in. The Morton boy coming in to me and I got sent off and I took some punishment off him to be fair. And the manager's Jim Clinic, I thought I'd blown it. And my manager says, we knew you had the ability, but we didn't know you had the heart. So because I got sent off, it worked for me. So and I signed and then he got sacked a couple of days later. But you just think because I knew he was getting sacked? I don't know, I don't know, but it worked well. And the manager came in, then your manager came in, Ricky McFarlane, who was brawing to me. He was under 21 manager at Scotland. He was a physio. So I couldn't even fake an injury. You know, in the Monday mornings, I usually fake injuries in Monday mornings, but I couldn't even do that because he was a physio. Or so he knew when you were faking and all. So it was great, but he put me in the Scotland team. He gave me my big start, he put me in... The first team? No, he put me in the Scotland under 21. He was a manager and he took me this year like this. He took me to Italy in the quarterfinal of the European Championships. We played over there, what a team this was. Midfield with me, I was in midfield. Neil Simpson, Neil Cooper, Jim Bet, Dougie Bell was there. It was just incredible midfield. Jaws McCluskey, we'd get Ian McDonald up front and we'd Richard Goff not playing. It was magnificent. It was just a great team.  Any any team nowadays.  And Neil Simpson, you know, they were great for that, but they never stole what's went in. So you'll not remember them, but back in the day they were. They were really good players, but yeah. So I scored a goal over in Italy and, you know, talking about going back to your roots is quite a fair... We played the game in canton zero. It was a week in the heatlands of Italy, somewhere, you know, some lands, I don't know where it was. And down there, we'd drawn an each at Hamden. I wasn't playing that game. I went over there and, of course, we'd beat them when I scored. So we'd beat them when I won. They're all slinging bottles and all that. Are their talons or something like that? So they're all slinging bottles and I'm picking up a can on drinking them and all that. So we're the king of games, isn't it? No, it was empty. Miserable. Miserable passers-ins. No, empty bottles. I know that daft of the talons. So when, after the St Munn, it was at West Ham? I played five years at St Munn. I had a great time at St Munn. Absolutely brilliant. Loved it. Four years in midfield, one year up front. And then I went to West Ham, John L. bought me in. And I get told I was going to Celtic. I get told in my last game, one of the games at Love Street, playing against Celtic. I get told that was my last game. And I was going to go to Celtic. After that, and they never seen me. I was gutted, you know. Was that? I'd done me a favour because I went to the line. I'd never been hit at Glasgow. I was Glasgow boy, I'd never been hit at Glasgow. Apart from the holidays with my parents and all that. Your first season for West Ham, were you no second top goalscorer? I should have been top, but anyway. Gardalanica was the top. He scored 12 penalties and I didn't take any. But you took West Ham the biggest finish that season? We should have won it to be very easy. The only thing that beat us that year was the weather. We never played for six weeks because the weather was so poor.  Because nowadays we had four replays in a cup tie against Ipswich. Three against Man United before we progressed. It was terrible. And we only played 15 players that year. That's all we used, 15 players. So it was great. I loved playing. I would rather play than train. I didn't like to train. I don't think the majority of people did. That's why I know he's me. People say that players are tired now.  The season just started. I can't be tired. I mean, it annoys me. I look at Roger and I'm going, what a talent that boy is. Paddy McCourt was the same. And I'm going, how can they know in the last 90 minutes? Call me old fashioned, but I hated running. I hated going around Strathclyde Park. But why not give these boys a chance? Because this obviously the modern technology and fitness, isn't it worth for these boys? Going to open their lungs and give them a chance, because I would love to see Roger play 90 minutes. Say that again, a lot of injuries now. I don't know. Do you know what I mean? When he's knackered after an hour, you go, there's something to write. Going to open your lungs out. Some of the managers have played under it with their comfort. And I know it's no brand, it's the way the world and it's all changing. Some movement. Nutrition. People tell me, people tell me you might get injured.  That's my point. I go, you're having a laugh in you. People go, now you don't want to play this week. Can you imagine me wearing any hat monitors?  After a Sunday night. He's going to explode. He's this man's deed. He's going to say, this is a trip me hospital. Every Monday, this is a trip me hospital. He's saying he's deed. Say after your West Ham men, because I know you're not on the walking show, that's when you say your life turned around. In what experience? Well, I scored 15 goals and there was no TV coverage. And they were arguing over £300,000. Something like that. It was embarrassing. So that was the extent of it basically. And so everyone up here couldn't see it. And it was a score of 14 goals by October or something. It was incredible. I just took this, this urge. And I played, started, he bought me some midfield plan. And the other player gets injured on a Saturday. And he put me up front 10 minutes ago or something. And then Tuesday night, he played me up front with Tony Coty. And I scored two and the poor player gets injured. Couldn't get back in. Because me and him just took off. We were holding boys and it was great. Everyone in football knew me. But James, I was going out on Saturday night and I was partying. And I was just doing what I wanted to do. Because nobody in London cares about footballers.  Down in London, you're not sure they won't join. Charles Michael, they're all sitting in corners. And you're like, well, nobody bothers me. So I just wanted to be that. Enjoy myself and see what I could do. And I loved that flying boy and all that. I loved all that. And then I got asked to go on the walking show. I was just about to make my debut in November for Scotland. And I asked me to go on the walking show. And now 23 million people watched it. And I was on my Mido, who gave me a player a year up when I was at Simon. And a Scottish player a year thing. Dennis Law. So I was on my Dennis. Which is probably, I mean, it doesn't get much. Peter compared me to Dennis. People say, you know, they compared me to Dennis Law and all that. But, you know, I didn't reach his heights. But, you know, I think it's a wee bit unfair. Because Dennis used to stay on the Friday night, you know.  Oh, my goodness. But it was, you know, that was good. To go on every Mido. I made such a good laugh. And it didn't really bother me, you know. 23 million people went on. There was a programme called The Young Ones. And it was the boy, Eddie Emerson or something like that.  You know, it was a great fun. And I realised what happened, because I played on Saturday and then my mum was going to Australia. My brother was in Australia. She was going to Australia on a Sunday. So she flew down to Edinburgh, Heathrow. She flew down to Heathrow from Glasgow. And she had a four-hour layover, change of planes, whatever, to get to Australia. So she's rather committed for about lunch. I went to Heathrow Airport and as soon as I walked in, I knew my life had changed. Because all the old ladies and, you know, people that had nothing to do with football, came up and wanted photos and all that. And I'm going, it was just... Did that hands you a career for another bit? No, it hands my career. I took it. You know what, I've never... I'd like to think I've never said no to an autograph or a photograph. Or any of you? Or any of you.  How can you get pissed off at that?  Loving you? Loving you and you go... I mean, I went to the... I got invited to the tattoo. Militia tattoo. This is how embarrassing I get. I was there. I got invited backstage, backstage, back behind the castles, but... And they're all having a drink, not a lot of people. They're all great people.  And I'm going, what? And they've all got these badges. I'm going, I'm not a hero. I just play football. You know, these guys have got badges for everywhere. You know, Iraq, Afghanistan, and you're like, these boys are getting bullets for long enough, and they think I'm a hero, and I'm going, ah, it's so different.  You're one of the boys. Do you know what? I've just done everything. Anyone in Terrison. I came for the Terrison. Tommy Burns, God bless him. He used to say to me, you're so different because I came for the Terrison on a park. You know, other boys at Celtic, when I was there, there are Celtic sports, but they grew up through the academy and all that. So they never really got to support the team. When I was there, in the Terrison, you know, watching them, even as a man, me and McDougal used to go to Celtic games. Midweek games were like, we never did a game. You used to go to Celtic boys, no? We just came, one of the boys, and all, but I think that's where the lifestyle came in, and everybody goes to the football, the day drink, the day can have a blow-out in that scene you were doing in London because you were saying, you know, George Best and the massive names. You know what I mean? Listen, George, when I'm down with the same manager, George had the same business manager as me, so Paul McMurdo, so it was great, George, just the easiest one. Everyone thinks you're so different. You know, everyone thought George was earning the same money as we were making that time. We were making good money that time, but not life-changing money, which we're making nowadays. But people still think I was making that kind of money that I'm making now. People think you're making that back then, so they don't understand that you've got to try and do it somewhere. And George, the biggest problem with George, he was such a star, you know? I mean, he was... Two mass worlds with your left idea. Four. By the way, and he'll tell you he never turned up for one. Incredible. Oh, so it was... And he makes a point of telling you he never turned up for one of them. That's five. He's... But that glint, that Irish glint, he's a great character, great to be around. Drunk or sober, it was a different class to me, you know? And people say, I got a lot of advice from George, you know? He was great because there's nothing that I went through that he never went through. He's a legend, isn't he? He was good, you know? And I missed him. I do. I got unwell. I used to go... I remember once I was in his club, and he had a place called Blondes, I said, a restaurant in Weinbaugh. And I'm in the restaurant with a few people, and the way it's come through, I said, George's in there. I said, can you go and make sure he's all right? I'm saying, well, he's pissed. I said, I had no problems having a way through. And he's on the bar himself, and I'm sitting there beside him. I said, you're all right? And he looked and he said, my God, how are you doing, son? I said, I'm all right.  He's like, yeah, I'm all right. I said, do you want to come through and join us? He said, no, I should see you with it. He said, I can't remember. And he's got a smell. He's got this glint and a smell. And I thought, come on, join us. I just wouldn't join. There's just then two gorgeous, gorgeous women, girls, whatever you want. Models, they're just stunners. Two absolute drop dead. Come all night to the toilet. And they just brushed me aside and the two of them got in beside George. And I went, is that who you're with? Yeah, yeah. I went, all right. Do you need a hand? Money goes, money goes, he's no. Bro. A lot of beautiful man. Only Pax would have done this unbelievable. He just smiled. He was like, that glint. And you know what? I met Cal in my cocktail. And I love the boys. He's a great man. I spoke to his mum a few times. Angie as well. She does amazing things. I met Cal in my cocktail. I didn't eat it with him. I used to eat them once. Your dad will have got everyone in for mine. That's mad. He's a good boy. Do you ever think yourself lucky as well, Frank, that you could have spiralled out of control worse than what it was, the drinking or the partying? No. See, the thing is, I never partied as much as what they say when I was playing football. You couldn't do what I'd done in a football part if I was taking all these drugs and all that. I got injured for nearly a year. I was hit for nearly a year. And it's a lonely, big place to be injured. And I was just going to open the envelopes. I was going to parties. And that's when I took drugs for the first time. But it was... It wasn't a... Every night? It wasn't a... You know, the papers love to say, you know, you took it all the time. It was a drug addict. I'm not going to go and ask for help. There's a lot of ex-players that I know ask for help and say they're addicted. No, they weren't addicted. They were social. Right. But because they've asked for help, it seems to be acceptable. And I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't have... I'm not like some psychiatrist. I didn't need to pay a psychiatrist to tell me I was taking too much drinking drugs. I knew myself.  No, you know what I mean. I didn't need to go and speak to somebody. And then it just... You know, when I'm back playing football, I just stopped having... And people couldn't understand why I could do that because I wasn't addicted. It was only social. I think that was the void, but the loneliness when no getting that attention, no any part playing. You feel lonely, feel everything comes into that way. Terrible. Terrible. And it's a hard fight to come back when you're at that long. And you need good people to know about you. You know, it was the...  Peter was good. Peter was great at me. Peter was... I loved him. I loved the whole thing about Peter. Peter was great. He was a businessman. He always had a glass of champagne, but it wasn't champagne, it was water sometimes. A lot of time it was water. He's a businessman. You know, people say to me, people say to me, I've got a question and answer, a couple of weeks ago, who was your mentor? I'm saying it to him, died. You have none, Peter. You couldn't answer two better hands than that. I wanted these... I wanted these dressing gowns, but they're not giving me that. When... See when eventually your boyhood heroes come in for you, Celtic. Yes. How are you feeling? It was great for me, because I didn't want to leave West Ham, but I loved West Ham, it's you. Was that... Was it West Ham, or was it the lifestyle? No, I loved West Ham. West Ham were brilliant. The fans took to me. Mm-hmm. You know what? I could have done what I wanted in West Ham because... I think you did fine. I know, but... Because I'd done it on a Saturday. Mm-hmm. You know, I'd done it on a Wednesday. I was always ready for the game. So the fans will accept that. The fans will accept. Because you're one of them. Are you still in connection with the fans? Oh, God. Yeah, yeah. You've taken them to their biggest ever finish, don't you? Big time. It's huge, don't know. So I'm bigger than them, but I'm here, you know, it's where the fans, it's massive. It's mad. It's incredible. I want to... You know, I've got a few problems where it's not Celtic, but Celtic and my boyhood team, you know, they've got... Mm-hmm.  It's just one of them.  And then with the Lisbon Lions and kind of match that, but one of the other big years was the Centenary year. And there's a footy upside the board or the heroes and legends that are Celtic, and there's a footy of the Centenary team, and I'm the one that... That's not I. So I'm like, you know, I'm not into any special favours, you know. I don't deserve that. What do you want the recognition that you did yourself? I wanted a team footy. At least in the team footy. Yeah, in the team footy. I should be in the team footy, you know. But it was a cup final as well, and I scored the two goals. And I'm not in the footy. I don't even know that.  Did you ever go back to the park? I go back to the park.  And I was giving them their money.  They owed me money and I gave them more. I'm back to a box, a couple of years back, a partner of mine, and it was brilliant. Number nine, we had the box out. It was great, but we used to have too many people in the box. Forty-handy. Oh, Kero, you know. Get that table out. We don't want any food. Get bodies in. I know your trophies, I know. I know the double you did that one. You gave your trophies to Wally Hawke. Wally and the Lord. Lord Hawke. Wally was great. When I went, I was inspired to do the control when I was in Newcastle. I got in a bit of bother.  And I go back together, and I could do wee things, but you know, you need something. You need to be boosted to get you in front again. And my medal was in my jersey, so Lord Hawke said to him, and he gave me some decent money for it. And I said, the only condition I get a bit back, you know, if I want them. And he says, yeah, because they were lying in my drawer. I mean, they were just doing my drawer when I was, after football, as I say, I was spiralled, but I thought, enough's enough, now I need to get out of this. And Wally gave me money and I tried to give them back. He gave me my medal, I tried to give them my money, and when he took it. So he's such a lovely guy, you know. I feel like playing football. Oh, I brought him in. Yeah, I mean, the other one, you know, they got a lot of stick, James Mortimer and Wally Hawken, you know.  And Wally and James are good, as well, you know. Businessmen. Businessmen, but they've made, they're only, they're the same as us, they're humble people, came for nothing, and they've made a lot of money, and they try and help people out, and you know, to be fair, Wally helped me out a lot. I think the best thing, I think a lot, a bit of post up there, so it's a real welfare person, how much money they make or how many material possessions they have, it's about how much goodness they take, the world of how much good they do, and for people to do a lot of charity work, you don't hear about it. No. You don't hear about it.  I know, I mean, I went Christmas there to James Mortimer, asked me to come up and do something, and Casper Cousin, he's got a big warehouse, he's got a big warehouse over the south side, and it was just full of toys, for the kids and all that, and so me and a couple of Ex-Rangers players, and certainly boys, and I went and got my photos and all that, it's just incredible, the things that these boys do. You know, nobody knows about it, it was just, which is, ah, it's brilliant. Very good. Who was the best player you ever played with? Played with? Yes. There's a few, Kenny Douglas was up there. Thank you, Kenny. Time out and boys. I was, I was, I was, I was fortunate, you know, I played in the near, Paul Mcstay was magnificent to play with, Celtic. If he'd have left Celtic, they'd have got the recognition. They deserved it. They deserved it, because he was world-class, he was, he was that good. But I was fortunate in the Scotland team to play with David Cooper, never said he was like a magician.  How many Soonis, how many Douglas probably helped me the most in my debut for Scotland, you know, they were talking to me all the time. The two of them, great boys and, you know, I'm still puzzling now, so yeah, good. The main thing is trying to make it as well. You need a lot of guidance, Frank, don't you? You need people to take under their wing as well, it's one of them. I wasn't even very fortunate. I should have got a lot more caps, to be honest with you, but I fell out. Would you get five? I got five, but to be fair, the boys I was up against, Kenny, I made my debut with, which was a boyhood dream for me, because in 1973, when Kenny left Chelsea, I was in tears. I thought my world had ended. So, you know, and then, to become a teammate has, then to become a pal has, and, you know, it's just a bit surreal to go. That's a dream, but Frank, you've worked on. That's a dream that people are watching, people are listening to. You can make it, man, no matter where your friend, no matter where. Well, these boys are just, you know, I couldn't play Kenny's, or Marina's golf day and all that, and it's great. And, you know, a couple of months ago, he was up with Marina, and he was, I mean, he's my missus, he's set a Celtic function, and it was great. He's just a good lad, you know, he's just a great, you know, if everyone didn't know who he was when he went to Liverpool, but I thought, I knew there was only one person who could take over for Keegan. You know, I was a big football guy, so at that time, I was into a lot more football than that. I'm now, you know, I think something's lost to me, but I get annoyed at football now. Yeah, it's not the same, is it? It's robots, you know, and... Can I turn it? Can I do it?  He says, but once he got it over the halfway line, he says, I just used to try things. Mm-hmm. He says, because the wooden tops, as he called them, the defenders. The wooden tops. They would take care of it if I lost it. Mm-hmm. What a player he was on all, weren't he? You know, I was fortunate to play in that era. We all aimed David Cooper, Doug Leesh, Paul McStave, you know, Gazzar, Loudero, you know. That's some line-up on that thing. It's magnificent. So, it's, they were all about when I played. So I was, I was delighted. And the best goal scorer of them all, you know, McCoy's was in top draw. But even though... They kept him out of the team. Ha-ha-ha-ha. But he hates that one. No, he doesn't like it. I don't know. He was talking about that, he sure went to World Cup in 1986, but I took his place. Sorry, mate. Ha-ha-ha. No, you're not. See, even though, all your carry-on, Frank and Everett and, you must have been dedicated as well behind closed doors that need to tie. I'd take a piss, no, I will have a laugh, but... You've got to get to the top. You've got to be, you've got to be something, you know, you put a bullet, I'll chase a bullet. Somebody said to me, Peter Martin, I think it was said to me, I would chase an empty, empty Chris Park in a windy day. Ha-ha-ha. He said, I would chase lost causes, you know. And I think I was part of my job. I was part of, made me who I am. And my fitness, I was naturally fit. So, but, you know, you've got to come on every day and train.  You know, as long as, as long as I didn't do it too often, I was late on Monday morning, usually coming up for London, when I was at Celtic. But it was, people say it was never there, no, no, it was only one day. The first week that I was late, I didn't come back to Tuesday. Ha-ha-ha. It was fully in month. No, no, I phoned me Joe and I said Joe, it was 10 past eight, and I phoned Joe and I said, Joe, I'm not going to make my flight. I said, Terry Gaffer, I'm not going to make it, I'm going to be late. And he says, Joe, I'm not going to make it. Ha-ha-ha-ha. It was a good weekend. Jink is well, but, if you'd... That was the first weekend I ever met Ray Winsteads. I'm blaming him. Oh, is that? I'm blaming Ray. Oh, god yeah. That boy can drink. But Jink London, see Jink as well, but Frank, if you'd knuckle doing another drink, Jink you could have excelled even further. I don't think so, because I don't know if the ability to do that, I don't know my natural ability was just, was running. Wasn't, at the World Cup, there's two players were meant to play with each other. It was myself and Charlie Nicholas. Everyone in football knew that. And the press took his away and got his dressed up as Cowboys not were at a place called Santa Fe and Fergan have I liked it because the press were picking the team. But he made the wrong decision.  But was that the decision? I was like, sell it to Rangers, I didn't come in to play with that. Well, he told me, Graham as soon as told me that Fergan would drop him when he came in because Graham told me he was going to buy Rangers and Fergan wanted the manager to drop Rangers. So there was politics there. You know, and you're not going to tell me, I'm still believe that Kenny, if I went to the World Cup in 86 because Hanson, if I went, you know, Hanson was the best defender I've ever played against. You know, Muller and McLeish were great. Hager and Neri were great together. But if you're going to play against the best strikers in world football, you need somebody that's won the Champions League a couple of times.  You're joking. So he never took him and Fergan fell out with Kenny because I think, you know, Kenny says he was down there, but he wasn't there, that's the reason. And then he dropped, soon as, the one game that in this world of football, you want Graham Sooners to play in was against Uruguay and he never played him. And it's politics, it was wrong. It was deadly wrong. I fed it out of him. I mean, when he dropped me out, I wasn't happy with it, you know, and he played Paul Sturrock and, you know, Lucky's a good player, but me and Charlie were meant to play with each other. It was just two players that were meant. At the biggest stage.  We were making people and stepping over it. And it was just, you could tell that we were just meant to play with each other. Charlie wants having it feet, I'll do the run. So that was my biggest regret, the World Cup, because I get put on twice, but I sure have been on fire. Got a link, I wanted a golden boot. Was that the season you... I'm the season. 28 goals, yeah. But there's not, that's some feet, maybe there's not many people score me on 20 goals on that division. No, I scored 26 league goals. Me and Tony scored 56 goal betuners or something like that, which is magnificent. That was a great achievement. You still speak to Tony? I was still on the phone this morning, actually, yeah. He phoned me this morning, we've got a couple of gigs coming up in October. So, Tony's alright, I was phoned him because he gets shot, I feel sorry for him. Did you get what? He gets shot in that film, the football one, it was done at West Hamlatt a couple of years ago. Football factory? No, the one that's shooting now, made a big wrestler. He's got what? What? Batista, yeah. How's it get done in that? He gets shot, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, he's shot at the beginning, if I'm... That is good, Tony's great. We got more now than we did when we played together. Tony number eight. Oh, he was dead, he used to go hit me and write me diagrams and about how he scored and a lot of nonsense. I used to go tell somebody. Because you get a lot of work, don't you, Frank?  I can do my own London, it's great. Obviously, when you get down there, you've got to speak a lot slower. Was it crazy not to have a book done there? No, no, no, they were going, I knew some of the boys that went about with them. You know, I knew a lot of the boys down there, so... But, you know what? When I went down there, there was a film called ICF, and they were with some boys and they looked after me, I didn't realise, I used to go out and I remember once having a pub and I was on my way into London with a girlfriend, and this guy would give me a hard time and I thought, Paul, let's do that. He stepped over the line.  Again, you seem to have a lot.  And the boy, he'd followed me in, but somebody just sparkled him and he put a big call-in card on him, congratulations, you've just been done with ICF. You're weird. That's what he used to do. Not people who put a big card on him. Just the guys who sparkled him. It was the ICF looking after me. I guess the ICF are one of the biggest things at Worldwide. There are no names. Great boys, great boys. They're great boys, so it was the same as me, I used to wind everyone up, but I bought my book out years and years ago, and there's a wee bookshop across the road, Faye Upton Park, and it says, what game do you want? I said, Millwall. He said, you can't have Millwall. I said, I want Millwall. I said, Frank, you're security a bit too. I said, I don't care, I want Millwall. I don't care about security, so. And there's a big statue of all the boys that won the World Cup for West Arming, so the ICF had my cast pen and all that, and they swallowed it all to protect that. So they've got the soldiers, if you like, all looking after it, and they've got a couple of people outside the bookshop. Because the Millwall's reporter said he could buy the show. And that's what I wanted to have is, because I couldn't stop laughing, and I'm thinking, this is brown. Big 40, me and the Millwall. What's it coming by? It's great. When you broke your book out, it was a guy, my old man used to work in the cotton club. Yes. And he was talking to a lot of the bouncers, and he says, when you broke your book out, you say to a lot of the bouncers, I, it was eventually good to read the acts of what I'd done, because I can't remember for a while. I can't, I know, I know. Somebody says that's why they bring DVDs out, you know. See what you've got? See, obviously, in the new year stuff, you've got, we Jonathan, are you pals with him? Do you want to say something? No, I don't, he's a wee ranger, man. I know Johnny well, but not, I know Johnny well, but no. Because you, and that only excuse, you are the main character. Listen, I think, I think Johnny must be, must be doing something, I don't know what he's done, he gets that contract with the way we see it. It's, it's, it's no very good, isn't it? I mean, he went off at Boyle, there's so much that he could have done. You know, I was, I mean, we cost him an event, he'd get put in a garden and leave, and I never done anything like that, and I'm going, hey, why do you know that? Because cost a great lad, and he's a good fund, and he would take it the way it's meant. Aye. Never done him. And I'm thinking, he's listed a lot of you when he's doing politicians and pop stars and that, and that's not what he's supposed to be about. So, I mean, it does me, it's great, listen. Do you handle it or do you put on these? I mean, the best one for me was, you know, the petrol station and all that, people ask you, they always ask you which you're favouriting. And I've never said it's worth a person before you say anything, but, the best one was the petrol station I'm filling up, and this card draws up and there's two blondes on the card and they're smiling or that, and I go in to the petrol station and the guy says, Bump 2 and I say, no, yeah, I'm working on it. LAUGHING No, yeah, I'm working on it. That is brilliant. Where did it? So I met the girls, which we did that, you know, I was one of them, they were all over you. Where did that come from then? Where's the bums? Is that because you're always fine? I apparently had a bar, when I used to have a bar in Glasgow, and my brother worked in the bar, And I was trying to open up a place called School Dinners. It's a restaurant, but you get whipped and all that. I'm good, I'm good, right? You can imagine why I'm like this anyway. I was doing interviews and I came into the bar and I had to go in the back and say checks and all that usual stuff. And my brother says, look, there's some girls here for interviews for the School Dinners and for the restaurant. I said, okay, so I went in the back and I back. I came in and I said, where are the girls? And it was Phil Differ's pal, Phil Differ, right serving for Johnny. And apparently his pal was at the bar speaking to my brother and he says, what'd he say? And he says, where's the girls? And that's where he came from. He just changed it. Where's the buzz? Where's the buzz? Because it stopped way back then. And people say, I don't say that, you know? I've never said that in my life, you know? Where's the buzz? How's it stopped way back then? I wish I was, when you call it, do something, you know? Let's get ready to rumble. He's a mug to mow, you know, with that phrase. I should have paced into it, shouldn't I? I wouldn't say it, anyone would say it was a buzz. Because it is, the people shout that out, you know? I'm all to my own, you know? What would you say the highlight your career was? Erm... Oh, man. How many? It sure have been. I've got a cut, but, you know, one in the league. People think it's a cut final, but it's Celtic. But one in the league, in this interview, it was so hard because Rangers, it's all the players they had.  Butcher was a tough bastard, wasn't he?  David Cooper still there. They had some great, great players, Koyste.   Unbelievable, so... It was, as soon as played as well, in a lot of the games, so... For us to go and win the league that year, there were so much of the underdogs. Because everyone at the bottom, or Celtic Bob was me. It was cheers. But when did, more Johnson went and then when? Ah, that was after it. There he is. More left, Celtic went A. Do you play with him all? No, he went to Nantes. I play with him in Scotland, but he went to Nantes. When more went to Nantes, I went to the Seuss. Is that a big mistake, his part? Oh... He turned one of his bedrooms into a sauna. That says everything there. Still cleaning it up, you know? Oh, brilliant. That was brilliant. All right, we had some good nights there. See, I hadn't rinsed his boys. That was in 88, 89? Oh, 87, 88, 89. Oh, it was incredible. And then I came back. I came back in 91, 82 or something like that. And that's it. So, after all the football, Frank, you've been doing yourself then, which is great. I'm doing all right. I've got my, you know, I've got my hat together and I'm still... I've got a left. I was in London, I was in Newcastle for 15 years, so. I wasn't married for a long time, so. And then I'm back up the road. Lasted, but then the last... I'm back up the road and then I've met a girl. And I've been going out for five years now, so. Everything's going good? Everything's going good. She's good for me. Everyone says she's good, she is for me. You know what I think? What kind of person is that? What kind of person, I don't know. You're so good for her.  Thank you very much. But it was all good fun. At Wisney, you know, I've never... I would like to think I've never hurt anyone in my life. You know, I've got a great... My first man is I've got a great boy. You've met him, Jake. Oh yeah, a great guy. Jake's, you know, and his mum's nuts as well. So, for him to have me and his mum. And, you know, that was part of the deal. I wanted to keep my name, so I'm delighted, you know. And he's a great lad. He's 20-odd now, and he's a great lad. So, I'm delighted for him. I've got something in this life that's done proper. Makes you proud. But you've had a great career, mate. You should be very proud of that. I've had a good life. You know, I've had a good life as well. And I've just done everything that the fans would do. I'm happy in the knowledge that... People say, you know, I've done more than I'm going. Well, the players I was up against, I mean, because you... Imagine Scotland team now playing against...  It was unbelievable for strikers. And for me to get half a dozen caps out of five caps, I'm delighted, you know. I wish I'd get more, but... But anybody would be happy with half your career, Frank, man. So what you've achieved, I think, is unbelievable. I don't know, mate. I don't think many people's went to England and done well. Done as well as what I did. No, scored as many goals as you anyway. No, I scored as well. But you're set. And on and off the park as it is. But I think... For even coming on here, mate, and getting as your time has been, I really appreciate that, and your stories are... Why is he coming on to you doing that Christmas thing? Make everybody feel sorry for me. I knew that would work. You know what? You've done me the effort, so then, good luck to you. Listen, I appreciate that, and listen, your stories are absolutely phenomenal. I wish you all the best for the future, Frank. Thank you. I really appreciate that, man. Cheers, James. Thank you.


Peptic ulcer disease is the disease of, not exactly disease, a condition, a clinical condition where there is an ulceration, meaning a wound in the stomach. Peptic, coined from the name Peptic Acid, Peptic Acid is found in the gastric.  The only other different type of ulcer is diodenal ulcer, which is just the next organ after the stomach. The stomach, which is the sac that contains food, also contains gastric acid or Peptic Acid that helps to break down protein. What Peptic there is directly related to protein. So it helps to break down protein, but over time, there could be hypersecretion of this acid that could now cause a breakdown in the walls of the stomach. Now this stomach was originally contains mucous membranes or mucosa that prevents this acid from eating up the stomach lining. For some reasons, again, this mucous membrane could also be reduced or absent and further allow this acid to eat up the stomach. And when this happens, you come down with what you call the Peptic Ulcer disease. Peptic Ulcer disease can be caused by a couple of things. One of them is stress. During stressful moments, there's a hypersecretion of acid, right, just to break down the food in it. It's natural. In the whole body, when you're stressed, the body metabolic rate is increased and intensified, and you have many activities going on, carbohydrates is broken down, more proteins are broken down, fatty acids are broken down to provide one major thing which is glucose to allow you to think. Send glucose to vital organs, one of them is the brain, there is the eye, there is the heart. All these organs want to function optimally. Now the gastric juice is also enhanced to break down any food in your body. So that's why if you just eat and you get into very major activity, not long after you're looking for the food or if you're chewing gum, you know, because those are signs of stress. Now, so stress is one of them, but then when you try stress in an empty stomach, recurrently you are giving room for this acid to act on the walls of your intestine. The second major cause of Peptic Ulcer disease is a bacteria called Helicobacter pylori.  All right, so this is one of the implicative factors for those who are positive for all cells. One of the third causes is the use of drugs, certain drugs or certain chemical substance that are erosive, okay, caustic soda.  That's why you don't just go out to take pain reliefers, just anyhow they affect the stomach and of course they potentiate because what they do is they inhibit that mucus membrane I talked about that prevents the acid from getting on the stomach and then they remove it and you see you have the acid, the direct contact and then you have some ulceration wounds in your stomach and it can get so bad that by the time those wounds get straight to your vessel, it ruptures the vessel and then you are bleeding, so you have people bleeding sometimes, all right. And then one other cause is a genetic factor, so sometimes ulcers can be genetic, all right, it's called the Zolingar Editing Syndrome, where the vigorous nerve that supplies the intestine is hyper stimulated and so you have excessive secretion of acid and listen, this is specific for certain people, okay, just the way some people sweat more than other people, just the way some people, you know, eat more than other people, some people produce saliva, more than other people, you can also produce gastric acid more than other people. Well, the word is try to eat recurrently, don't fast every time, if you're fasting, let me clear that you're fasting, okay, and you want to fast guidedly, okay, maybe with your doctor, you like to see your doctor first and be sure that you're good to go, okay, if not, you don't do it recurrently, okay, what other things can you do to prevent it? Yeah, irrational use of drugs, don't just take drugs because you see them, don't drink chemicals easily, the use of alcohol potentiates it, regular intake of alcohol exposes you the possibilities of coming down with vertical diseases. Now, one other thing is ingestion of diet, what kind of food should you do? Acid, high levels of acid-containing diet should be minimized, right, sometimes you see people taking all kinds of concussions, Hebao concussions, you are exposing yourself to great dangers, okay, where you do all kinds of acid-containing meals or diet, lime, you're trying to mix lime and ginger and you're trying to lose weight, but you are potentiating something else, so it's important that you are careful what you are mixing, prevent it, you don't have to take excessive protein diet, some people like to take roasted meat, for example, what we call soya, locally, you do a lot of soya and you do a lot of alcohol that can potentiate and practical side disease for people, so prevent it by reducing this type of foods, trying not to take a lot of carbonated drinks, alcohol dropped drastically, water is very important and before you do some of these things, please try it, all right, eat your balanced diet, don't skip meals. For busy treatments, you just get to meet your doctor who would prescribe the drugs for you, but you're not supposed to eat heavy foods, but just eat in bits, all right, so you wake up in the morning, you want to sometimes do alkaline water and then a slight breakfast, not anything acidic, a balanced diet is fine, if you must go for it fast, then tell your doctor. Major symptoms, remarkable symptoms of practical side disease is that you have painful sensation here on your upper stomach, many times it gets you to the back, many people have diagnosis of practical side disease, which are really not practical side diseases, they come up to the hospital and say, they say I have ulcer and I say who said and say, well my auntie said, or my uncle said no, you have to have a diagnosis of practical side disease and one of them, like I said, is a test of H. pylori, the other test is which is usually the gold standard, this urobreate test, one of the tests, but the gold standard is an endoscopy where you get to see the internal organ and they show that there's a wound there and this usually happens when there's bleeding from the mouth or from the endos, other symptoms like I said is bleeding, you have bleeding, so you don't just have pain, a pain that spans from this upper stomach down to the back, so it feels like a dagger piercing through you down to the back, it's characteristics of that, especially washing when you're not eating or when you just ate, the moment you're taking food, you feel that sharp pain that winds for a while, so food affects the pain, of course bleeding is one of the side effects, one of the symptoms of practical side disease, either from the mouth or from the endos, one more thing is heartburn, you feel that constricting pain in your heartburn, then lastly, there are many other symptoms, but one of the remarkable symptoms is a headache, you have a persistent headache that can be called a migraine, not necessarily a migraine, but you many will just say oh it's a migraine, but it's not, you notice that that headache coincides with when you have the stomach pain or it precedes the stomach pain, now that is a kind of symptom of a practical side disease, usually it's said that some of the brain cells have some mimicking cells that look like the ulcer cells, whenever the ulcer is firing or whenever the gastric acid is firing, you have the same firing occurring in the brain, you have that headache, whenever you have it, you need to treat properly for practical side diseases.


Welcome to Learning English, a daily 30-minute program from the Voice of America. I'm Ashley Thompson. And I'm Dan Novak. This program is designed for English learners, so we speak a little slower, and we use words and phrases, especially written for people learning English. On today's program, Gina Bennett reports on changes to the AP Black History course. John Russell has a story on ancient mosquitoes. Brian Lin has the science report on the discovery of a solar system orbiting in perfect harmony. Later, Jill Robbins and Andrew Smith present the lesson of the day, but first, High school students in the United States can earn college credits by taking and passing advanced placement or AP courses. The classes developed by the College Board cover many subjects, including English, history, math, and sciences, among others. This week, the nonprofit organization released a new set of ideas and skills called a framework for its AP African American Studies course. The latest version comes months after the organization was criticized for discussing course requirements with conservative critics. Changes include more attention to ideas such as the Tulsa Race Massacre, Black Cultures Influence on Film and Sports, and discrimination in housing known as redlining. The latest version will be used when the class officially launches at the start of the next school year. The AP African American History course gained national attention earlier this year. At that time, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, currently a Republican presidential candidate, said he would ban the course in his state because it pushed political issues. Florida released a list of concerns it had with the pilot and early version of a course. In February, the College Board released its first official version of the AP course. It did not contain several subjects on the list of Florida's concerns, including Black Lives Matter, slavery reparations, and several important Black writers. The Board was then widely criticized for giving in to political pressure. The new changes pay attention to some of that criticism. The latest version includes several important Black writers that were excluded and written works about feminism and intersectionality. Intersectionality is the idea that race, gender, and class combine to create different levels of discrimination and privilege in society. The College Board did not add back every subject that was removed earlier. The Black Lives Matter movement is still not included in the final test for the course. However, it is mentioned along with other examples and listed among subjects that schools could choose from for further discussion. Nelva Williams is a member of the courses development committee. She has been a teacher for more than 40 years. She also taught a pilot class of AP African American Studies in Houston, Texas. Williams said the updates are based on teacher recommendations and changes coincide with the latest scholarship and resources used at the collegiate level. Rashad Shabas teaches several courses related to race at Arizona State University. He said the course provides students with the basics to understand the field of African American Studies, but it does not contain in-depth theoretical discussions that are more common at the college level. I'm Gina Bennett. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are killed every year by malaria and other diseases that are spread through mosquito bites. Female mosquitoes are responsible for these deadly bites because they have a special mouth design that male mosquitoes do not have. But it has not always been that way. The researchers said they have discovered the oldest known fossils of mosquitoes, two males located in pieces of an ancient orange-colored substance known as amber. The male mosquitoes date to 130 million years ago. They were found near the modern town of Hamana in Lebanon. To researchers' surprise, the male mosquitoes had long mouth parts seen now only in females. Danny Azar is a researcher at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Nanjing Institute of Geology and Paleontology and Lebanese University. Azar said they were clearly blood eaters. The lead writer of the study, recently published in Current Biology, added, this discovery is a major one in the evolutionary history of mosquitoes. The two fossilized mosquitoes, both representing the same species that has died off, are similar in size and appearance to modern mosquitoes. However, the mouth parts used for getting blood are shorter than in today's female mosquitoes. Study co-writer Andre Nell of the National Museum of Natural History of Paris described the finding as quite surprising. The special anatomy of the two mosquitoes was beautifully saved in the fossils. Both insects had sharp and triangle-shaped jaw anatomy and a long structure with tooth-like elements. The researchers said they suspect that mosquitoes evolved from insects that did not consume blood. They think that the mouth parts that were developed for getting blood meals were originally used to pierce plants to get nutritious fluids. Plant evolution may have affected the differences in feeding between male and female mosquitoes. At the time when these two mosquitoes became stuck in tree sap that eventually became amber, flowering plants were beginning to spread for the first time. From the findings, Azar said that all early mosquitoes, both male and female, were blood-sucking, and male mosquitoes lost the ability later. The researchers said while these are the oldest mosquito fossils, mosquitoes probably appeared millions of years earlier. They noted that molecular evidence suggests mosquitoes developed from about 200 million to 145 million years ago. There are more than 3,500 species of mosquitoes worldwide, found everywhere except Antarctica. Some species spread diseases such as malaria, yellow fever, zika fever, dengue, and others. The World Health Organization says more than 400,000 people die annually from malaria, a parasitic infection, mostly children under age 5. I'm John Russell. Scientists have identified six planets orbiting a nearby star in perfect harmony in our Milky Way galaxy. The solar system appears to be untouched by outside forces since it was created, likely billions of years ago. The rare discovery was made by observations from a pair of space telescopes. The European Space Agency's CHAOPS and TESS operated by the American Space Agency, NASA. The find is expected to provide astronomers with new data to help them learn more about how solar systems form and develop. The six planets sit in the Northern Sky constellation of Coma Berenices, about 100 light-years from Earth. The light year is the distance light travels in a year about 9.5 trillion kilometers. The star the planets are orbiting is known as HD 110067. It is about 20% smaller in mass than our Sun. The six planets are about 2 to 3 times the size of Earth, but they are believed to have densities closer to gas giants in our own solar system, such as Jupiter and Saturn. The scientists say the planets are considered sub-neptunes. This is a common kind of planet found within our Milky Way galaxy. These planets are generally much larger than Earth, but smaller than Neptune. The orbits range from 9 days to 54 days. This puts them closer to their star than Venus is to our Sun. It also makes the planets intensely hot. The researchers say that while only six planets were discovered, there could be more. An international team of astronomers recently described the findings in a study that appeared in the publication Nature. The researchers reported the six planets were in a rare condition called orbital resonance. This is when two or more moons line up with their parent planet at regular times and interact gravitationally. In this case, the team described the solar system as completely synchronized in a gravitational formation. Synchronized means happening at the same time and speed. The scientists say it is likely these synchronized orbits have been happening since the system formed about four billion years ago. The planets were identified by observing small drops in the star's brightness when a planet passed in front of the star. Hugh Osborn of the University of Bern in Switzerland helped lead the research. He said the resonance interactions demonstrate the mathematical beauty of the system. Osborn added that the newly discovered system could possibly unlock the secrets of these mysterious sub-neptune planets which we know so little about. The lead writer of the study was Raphael Leuke. He is an astronomer from the University of Chicago. He said the discovery will likely become a very useful tool to study sub-neptunes. Scientists have long wondered whether sub-neptunes might be rocky planets with thick atmospheres of hydrogen and helium. They have also suggested the planets might be made of rock and ice with warm and water-rich atmospheres. Leuke said the synchronized nature of the discovered system is highly rare and requires further study. We think only about one percent of all systems stay in resonance and even fewer show a chain of planets in such configuration, he said. It shows us the pristine configuration of a planetary system that has survived untouched. Enrique Palais is a researcher at the Institute of Astrophysics in the Canary Islands. He told the Associated Press that while astronomers know of 40 to 50 in-sync solar systems, none have as many planets in such perfect synchronization as the newly discovered one. The University of Bairns Osborne said he was surprised but pleased when the orbital periods of the planets came close to what scientists predicted. My jaw was on the floor, he said. That was a really nice moment. I'm Brian Lin. Brian Lin is here now to talk more about his science report. Welcome back, Brian. Dan, glad to be here. This week's report dealt with the discovery of a solar system astronomers say includes six planets orbiting their star in perfect rhythm. The scientists making this find were very excited about it. What can you tell us about what made this discovery possible? So, yes, like many things in science and astronomy, the discovery came mainly by accident. The researchers had not set out to find this kind of solar system, but astronomers noticed NASA's test space telescope was showing light drops in the star suggesting planets were passing in front of it, and this started the investigation and led the team to also begin examining data from the European space telescope, CHAOPS. So these combined observations really helped confirm the existence of this unique six-planet system. The report noted astronomers were not only pleased to discover this system, they were also very surprised the planets and star were still interacting in such a rhythmic way, right? Yes, exactly right. The scientists thought this finding was extremely surprising and exciting. They said the rhythm was so perfect it can even be set to music, and it is highly unusual for such a system to remain in sync for so long, in this case likely for the past four billion years. The team noted many things could have happened to push things out of balance. For example, violent movements or other activity involving nearby space objects, but the astronomers do believe this particular system escaped untouched by any of those possible happenings. Very cool. Thanks again for being here, Brian. You're welcome. Thank you for having me, Dan. My name is Anna Matteo. My name is Andrew Smith. And I'm Jill Robbins. You're listening to The Lesson of the Day on the Learning English Podcast. Welcome to the part of the show where we help you do more with our video series, Let's Learn English. This series shows Anna Matteo in her work and life in Washington, D.C. In Lesson 45 of the series, Anna and her roommate go on a road trip to see famous places in the United States, and their plan is ambitious. Ambitious, that's spelled A-M-B-I-T-I-O-U-S, means that a plan or goal is on a large scale or perhaps difficult to do. Anna and Marcia hope to see famous places all over the U.S. So their plan is ambitious because the U.S. is very large. To see all the things they want to see, they will be traveling for weeks. That's true. They plan to drive north from Washington, D.C., to New York City, and then head west all the way to California. So that's what we call a coast-to-coast trip, all the way from one ocean to the other. In this case, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. That's a trip of almost 4,000 kilometers. And then they have to drive back. I guess we could call that a coast-to-coast-to-coast trip. I never thought of it that way, but I guess you're right. Let's listen to Anna and Marcia talk about some of the things they will be seeing. Hi, Marcia. Hi. I packed my bags and I am ready to go. Did you make a list of all the places you want to see? I did. I want to see New York City and the Statue of Liberty. And I want to see Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. And don't forget the Grand Canyon. Let's not forget California's Redwood Forest. There are so many places to see. We will be driving for a long time, so we might get bored. Bored? No way. We can talk. Or not talk. We can play word games. We can sing. You know, Marcia, our trip is like that famous American song. This land is your land. This land is my land. From California to New York Island. From the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream waters. This land was made for you and me. Marcia and Anna were singing the song called This Land is Your Land. It was written by an American folk singer named Woody Guthrie in 1940. Guthrie wanted to express the idea that the U.S. should offer equal opportunity and rights to every person in the country. Great idea. Now let's see if their trip gets off to a good start. Will we be stopping soon? We won't be stopping soon. I'm hungry. Marcia, we just left D.C. We'll be eating lunch in about two hours. Can you wait? I guess. Here, have an apple. It's organic. Thanks. Unfortunately for Marcia, Anna accidentally throws the apple out of the window of the car. So Marcia will have to wait a little longer before she can eat. She will have to wait, but our listeners can notice right now. A special way we can talk about the future in English. It's called the future continuous tense. Listen again. Marcia, we just left D.C. We'll be eating lunch in about two hours. Instead of saying we're going to eat in two hours, Anna says, We'll be eating lunch in about two hours. That's because it takes some time to eat. For actions in the future that take some time to do, we can use the modal will plus the verb be plus the main verb with ing. For example, listen to this exchange. What will you be doing tomorrow afternoon? I'll be working from noon until 6 p.m. We often use the future continuous when we specify or say the amount of time we expect the activity to take. If we don't know or care about the length of time, then we can just use the expression going to, like in this exchange. Do you have any plans for the weekend? I'm going to try to clean my room and maybe go to a movie. Here the speaker either does not know or does not care about expressing how long the actions will take. Now listen to this part of Lesson 45 and see if you can hear the future continuous tense. How many times do you hear it used? Listen carefully. We will be entering North Dakota any minute now. North Dakota, we are going in the wrong direction. We want to go to South Dakota. No problem. I will just exit the highway. We will be going south in just a minute. There, done. We're going south. Okay, we will be stopping for gas and a bathroom break in about an hour. Anna used the tense three times. We will be entering North Dakota any minute now. We will be going south in just a minute. Okay, we will be stopping for gas and a bathroom break in about an hour. And most native speakers joined together the two words we and will with the contraction. Instead of saying we will, people say we'll. We combined the subject and the word will together. Like this. I'll. You'll. He'll. She'll. We'll. And they'll. Now let's listen to one more quick example from Lesson 45. Okay, we will be arriving in New York City very soon. I can't wait to see the big apple. You can hear the future continuous when Marsha says we will be arriving. She expresses an expectation about the time by using the word soon. Also, we should note that the big apple is a nickname for New York City. Other cities in the U.S. have nicknames too. Chicago is called the Windy City because its politicians talked so much. Detroit is called the Motor City because many American cars and trucks are built there. And Denver is called the Mile High City because it is about one mile or 1,600 meters above sea level. It's fun to learn the nicknames of cities. I grew up in a city they called the Crossroads of America. Listeners, what are the nicknames of some cities or towns in your country? Write to us at LearningEnglish at voanews.com and let us know. And now, before we go, here's one last example of the future continuous. This is from a song written in 1938 and it uses the future continuous in its title. It's a song about seeing people again after you have missed them. Jill, do you know what song I'm talking about? I think I do. Is it I'll Be Seeing You? It sure is. Are you going to sing it for us? Um, maybe just the first part so our listeners can get the idea. It goes like this. I'll be seeing you in all the old familiar places that this heart of mine embraces all day through. A little high for me. And we'll be seeing you in a sense soon on the next lesson of the day on the Learning English podcast. Thanks for listening. I'm Jill Robbins. And I'm Andrew Smith. And that's our program for today. Join us again tomorrow to keep learning English through stories from around the world. I'm Ashley Thompson. And I'm Dan Novak.


Yes, absolutely. There is some hope because the chief of the Mossad, Dadi Barnea, is meeting with the chief of the CIA, Chris Burns, the prime minister of Qatar, and the head of the military intelligence of Egypt. And usually when these meetings are on top level, then that means that something is moving, some traction is happening, as you mentioned. And this is the hope here, but nobody knows exactly what is the topic, the exact topic of discussion in the inner chamber of those places in Doha where the negotiations are taking place. But as in previous weeks, there's going to be a rally here with members of the families of the 134 hostages that have been held in captivity for 169 days, among them 35 confirmed dead. And again, time is pressing, bring them now, is the motto. And you know, the hope is that this meeting, this particular meeting is going to be a fruit. And Pierre, while this demonstration is taking place, we're also seeing for several weeks now a parallel protest against the government, a renewed wave of protest, if you will, of those prior to October 7th massacre. Right, because as long as the war drags on, and the consensus was that, well, we shoot, we don't shout, now things are changing, because people are realizing that the war in Gaza is on a lower intensity level, 80% of the troops have left the Gaza Strip. That means many reserve soldiers have left, amongst them some who were very active during the demonstrations against the judicial overall. So the hope of the organizers of this demonstration in Kaplan Boulevard, which usually ends with closing the Ayalon Highway in Tel Aviv, the hope is that reserve soldiers will join in to the demonstration and move forward with the call of elections now.


So you're the you're the last? Yep, I'm number seven Yeah, they broke me down. Oh, you know, I figured if I go in, you know, they bound to give us our own ship, you know, I Grew up in Herman, Missouri very small town population of about 2,500 people. I Think that always have that special place as you know being some of my first memories. I Have six siblings who have all served in the Navy Two older brothers, Austin and Logan four sisters Jessica, Alyssa, Michaela and Nina We don't really have a military family background at all So to see all of them decide to take the same route. It's cool to watch My parents own village market in Herman, Missouri My dad, you know started the store from scratch and very quickly we became one of the prominent families in town They always say it doesn't matter what you decide to do Just put a hundred and ten percent effort into it. I could tell how proud my parents were You know the rest of the kids and I think at the end of the day They just want to see them, you know, be happy and live a fulfilled life By the time I got to the end of high school, you know, most my siblings had already gone in and enlisted I never really felt any sort of pressure from them to go in But seeing the wonders it did for them seeing how much they loved it and Seeing how successful they are now because of the Navy. It's encouraging, you know, it kind of makes you aspire for more If you are enlisted I did really love Herman growing up here and I definitely see myself staying but another part of me, you know It was very curious There was always something I was trying to Explore and that definitely made me wonder, you know, what else there was out there My siblings might have been more gung-ho about getting out of Herman, but it wasn't necessarily the same for me. I Kept playing the game of what if well, what if I'd go into the service? You start listing these reasons why you shouldn't and then it comes a lot to sort out It's a challenge, but it's it's a good challenge to you know, and you're going in it And you're just trying to figure it out.  I think more than any of the other kids. I Really loved it growing up here. You know, I love the small town I love all the activities being outdoors and I am gonna miss miss the hell out of town and have all of you guys Small town is good living but you gotta go test the waters elsewhere and I think someday you'll work your way back My siblings have warned me that nuclear school is probably going to be one of the hardest things all ever do in my life But if my other siblings can do it, I can do it some people choose this path some people choose this path, but Out here's the winner Well, and you do what other people won't do is what separates you from everybody Your hair's gone long. Yeah I've been letting it get a little bit away from me And we are taking off your beard, right?


Well, first of all, Orlando played a great game. I thought they dominated us for 95% of the game. But I thought in the fourth quarter, we locked up. We started to play some defense and really did a good job defense. We obviously, Dilo was huge with the big shots. But we didn't play a great game. And it's a credit to our team that we pulled it out anyway. Mentally, what does it say about your team for the second straight game to be down and it can come in off that emotional high to make the place to win it? What does it say? Keep using the same word, resilient, resilient group, resilient team, and they really showed it tonight. This was, I knew it was going to be a tough game after the big win against Houston. They're an excellent team, Orlando. And we're just really resilient tonight. We'll talk about locker room after 21 point comeback. Oh man, between Houston and tonight we just, they were ecstatic because I think they felt like they didn't play a great game and figured out how to get a win when it wasn't evident at all. What do you mean to have a fourth quarter like this from both Spencer and Dilo together? See them finish with that kind of...  I thought it was like they were just sharing. Dilo would run to the corner and Spencer bringing up. They were really that multiple ball handlers thing that we talked about. I think it was like the utopia in that sense. Greg, they really, really shared the duties kind of equally. It was beautiful to watch. And then even though Busevich was effective, Jared blocked one of his shots and then changed another layup that he missed at the end.  It was one second on the shot clock, J.A. comes up. I think we might be talking about the same thing, but Jared Allen's been, he's been playing great basketball. He's our rim protector. But y'all give Damari credit on that last play. You know, we were in his own. We got beat in his own and Damari came up and got a contest on the floater. Good job by Damari. Coach, D'Angelo Russell had 40 points tonight. You had five players and double figures. Two questions. One, how do you get these guys to play for you so hard? And two, is D'Angelo Russell an All-Star? Ooh, those are great questions. They play hard. We play hard because we have a great group of guys. They have great character. They have great spirit. That's kind of been our hallmarks. And I think since Sean and I kind of came to Brooklyn, it's like, man, one thing we're gonna make sure that the fans and everybody in the NBA knows we're gonna play hard. So now we got to play it hard part down and now we're playing together and we're playing smarter. D'Angelo, what can I say? Like this last month and a half, he has been, you know, out of his mind. He's just playing great basketball. You know, we needed every one of those 40 tonight. That's for sure. He's playing great. D'Angelo's case, playing with Spencer on the court. I mean, obviously they both had big games separately, but I mean, for the two of them to be on the court together at the same time and playing well, how big is that for you guys going forward? I think it conserves energy to it, right? It's not D'Angelo with the ball 90, you know, 95% of the time that can wear you down. The fact that they can, you know, share ball handling duties, I think it saves energy. And even when I think we played Shabazzos three guys together too, now they're kind of alternating, taking the ball up the court and who's running it. And they've really, like, Brian has embraced that role. It's not like, hey, you know, I'm the point guard here. I need it all the time. It's really a nice thing to see. What has it been like watching this evolution? Early in the season, the New Orleans game, there was an unassisted error and an out of bounds quite led to a New Orleans bucket. There were other plays and during the eight game losing streak where mistakes were made. And then now to see these guys embracing the moment, what's it been like watching that transition? Confidence. It's beautiful to watch a group that struggled in certain situations now grow and be confident. There's no doubt when we're in the huddle now. They know what they have to do. They know what they have to execute. And that's also continuity, guys being together for a long time. And like I said, that eight game losing streak, man, we learned a lot about ourselves. And it really helped us get better. Wanting more, do you think that this next three home game stretch is a real chance to build on this and try to start getting some kind of cushion in the way? Yeah, well, it's up to us how much more do we want. I think it's there for the taken. Like I said, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. And I want to stay humble. But I think we know where we are right now. And tonight, that was a big statement because to say, hey, this is a team that we're competing with, obviously, first spot. And it was a big, big win for that reason. Coach, you've been on a roll at home, obviously. But with these last two wins, you're now 500 on the road. What does that mean? That means a lot. Like we're able, if we have the maturity, and the wherewithal to win on the road. It's so hard winning on the road in this league for so many reasons. But we don't seem to be overcome by the moment. And for us to be down 20 tonight and on the road, good crowd, good team, it's an excellent win.