Ladies and gentlemen, due to technical difficulties beyond our control at the moment, the drag net program originally scheduled at this period has been postponed temporarily. It will be heard in just a few moments. I'm Martin Z. J. Bosses, Captain Steve, my name is Martin. We're on the way out on the office at 10.38 a.m. when we got to Paris Avenue. Number 213. Yes? How do you do, Miss Wagner? Police officers? I'm Sergeant Jacobs. This is my partner Sergeant Fryden. Oh, yes, Sergeant. I've been expecting you. Would you come in, please? Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. I hope you'll excuse the way the house looks, officers, right in the middle of packing, getting ready to move. I understand. Try not to keep you, Miss Wagner. So much to do, making arrangements for Dorothy's funeral, the undertaker, and all this moving business on top of it. I couldn't bear to stay here any longer, though. Yes, ma'am. We understand. We'll make it as brief as we can. I'd like to have you tell us about this trouble that your sister had as much as you know about it, I mean. Playing out and out murder, in my opinion, might just as well have taken a gun and killed her, no difference. You knew all about the relationship between your sister Dorothy and this man Reynolds, is that correct? Yes, right from the beginning. I was there when they met. But do you mind if I went ahead packing these few things here? My sister's things. I'd like to finish up before I leave. Have an appointment at noon, the mortuary. Surely go right ahead. A few books, nicknacks, personal things to Dorothy. Foolish woman. I gave her credit for more cents. And about this man Reynolds, Miss Wagner. I saw through him right from the start. I tried to tell Dorothy. He was a fortune hunter. Money hungry. Of course, she wouldn't listen. She always knew better. Charles R Reynolds. Is that the name you knew him by, ma'am? Yes, that's right. Dorothy and I met him one Sunday night in a hotel dining room. Two of us always had dinner at the hotel Sunday nights every Sunday. That's the hotel Alan Wilcher you told us about? That's correct. The exact same month this coming Sunday. Came up to our table and introduced himself. Claimed he knew my father when he was alive. Dad owned some big packing plants in the east. Died nine years ago, left the estate to Dorothy and me. I see. Would you have anything to add to the description that you gave us on Reynolds, Miss Wagner? I mean, can you think of anything unusual about him at all? Scars, peculiar mannerisms, anything like that? No, nothing special. Dressed well, as I say. Apparently cultured, well-traveled. He was handsome enough. Attractive.  Probably would have tried the same thing with me. It's lucky I knew better. How did you after the first meeting with Miss Wagner? Did you start dating your sister Dorothy right away? Yes, the next night. Called here at our home and asked Dorothy to the theater. I think he was going to ask me, but he was too smart for that. I knew it for what he was. Imagine that. Poor Miss Dorothy wrote in high school. Love poems. Silly. She never did get it out of her head. You and your sister lived alone here in the house, did you, ma'am? Yes, Dorothy and I in the maid. I don't want to stay here after what's happened, though. I'm going to my cousins in Vermont. I don't want to see this place again. Yes, ma'am. I understand.  A little over two weeks. He'd been seeing her almost every night, taking her out dancing to the theaters, big dinners, bringing her home late, and sit here in the living room. I could hear them from my bedroom upstairs laughing, him telling her how beautiful she was. Forty-two-year-old woman, imagine that. About the same age your sister was? Just about. A little older. People always took us for twins, though. Here's a snapshot of me taking in my twenties. The boy was me there. He wanted to marry me. My money, of course, that's all he wanted. Too bad. Dorothy never seemed to realize that about men. Girls from wealthy families have to be careful. We understand Reynolds took your sister out of town to be married, didn't we? Yes. Las Vegas. Reynolds had told her his bank funds were tied up temporarily in a Canadian bank. He wrote Dorothy a check for $10,000, and she gave him her check for the same amount. He said he wanted to book reservations for a round-the-world trip for both of them. I see. The same day Dorothy gave him the check, he cashed it. The bank called her about it, and she said it was perfectly all right. Now, after he cashed it, Reynolds disappeared. No trace of him. Of course, his check's worthless. We found that out. You figured that's the only reason your sister took her own life? There's no other reason. It wasn't the money so much. Dorothy has her share of the estate. It's a shame, I suppose. Awful shame, disappointment. She should have known better a woman her age. Had your sister ever been married before, Ms. Wagner? Yes. When she was 18, ran off to Chicago and married a young fellow. She claimed she loved him, too. Naturally, he was after our money. My father and I went and brought her home. We had the marriage annulled.  They brought Dorothy nothing but misery. And this was the last, this Charles Reynolds. How about his background, ma'am, his business connections? He ever mentioned any of that to you or your sister? Claimed he had interests all over South America, Australia. Seemed to have plenty of money. Guess his kind always has. Do you think you'll find it? We're going to try, Ms. Wagner. Dorothy went upstairs to her bedroom and stayed there. She looks a strange. She took out some pressed flowers from a book. Some boy had given them to her once years ago. Don't know who. She just sat on the edge of her bed and stared at them old pressed flowers. Next morning the maid came upstairs and Dorothy was lying on the floor. Empty bottle of pills next to her. Awful disgrace. Never happened before in our family. If you don't mind, Ms. Wagner, we'd like to get as many particulars about this man Reynolds as you can remember. There. That's the last. I don't know what else to tell you, officer. All I know is I was young when Dorothy was young. I could have had a man if I wanted. But I didn't run off when I was 18 to marry a boy. I knew my duty. It wasn't proper. It wasn't a love. I didn't run off as a middle-aged woman to marry a fortune hunter either. What made her do it? I wouldn't know, ma'am. She was your sister. What kind of a man was he? What kind of a mind? Making love, kissing her, just to take her money. Imagine selling somebody with a kiss. Well, it's not the first time, ma'am. Is that so? Look it up. You'll find it in the Bible. At 11.18 a.m., we continued to interview the victim's sister for another 40 minutes, and then we left the Wagner home, drove back to the office, and continued our investigation of the suspect, Charles R. Reynolds. As far as we were concerned, the criminal was new to us, but the crime wasn't. The marriage rackets as old as any con game on earth, and as con games go, it's one of the lowest. It trades on one of the most natural and normal instincts a man or a woman has, a desire for companionship, a home and a family. And for the sake of an easy dollar, it betrays the victim and the instinct ruthlessly, regardless of the consequences. In the case of 42-year-old heiress Dorothy Wagner, the disappointment was too much to cope with. For her, the marriage game ended in the front parlor of a mortuary on South Hoover Street. For the suspect, Charles Reynolds, it had continued to be a paying business until he was stopped. After homicide detail completed their investigation of the case, and it was definitely determined that Dorothy Wagner took her own life, the matter was turned over to us. 11.50 a.m., we got off a request to Las Vegas, asking them for all the information on the marriage, and then I contacted the staff's office and asked them to make a run on the suspect for us based on his detailed description and also on his method of operation. I went back down the hall and met Ed Jacobs at the R&I counter. How you doing? Not too much luck, Joe. Forger didn't come up with anything either, nothing on them and their files. Apparently, this is the first time he's worked at town. Orange, we couldn't find anything on the name, not the main file anyway. What do you got there? I asked John to check the correspondence file that came up with this. How does she call it? It came in over three months ago, inquiry from their bunco detail. Suspect name right here, Frank L. Richland. Same angle. Marry, drag it. The M.O. is pretty close. Any description? Oh, here. What do you think? 170 pounds gray wavy hair, blue eyes, fair complexion. That's fairly close, could be. There's the alias, this Richland uses. Longer arm. Here's one cut R.I. Reynolds. Alias, George A. Reynolds. Thomas R. Reynolds. Alias, C.H. Reynolds. Alias, Charles R. Reynolds. Wants on him for forgery, bunco, grand theft, a lot of experience. How about a mud shot on this one? None attached. No L.A. contacts either. We better get off a wire to Chicago PD, send us what they can on him. I want to prove it one way or the other by the end of the week maybe. Copy his name down here. Frank L. Richland. Correspondence number C143732. Chicago case number D-612-32. Attention for tenants, Michaels. What are you just thinking of? The last time anyone saw Reynolds, when was it, 10, 12 days ago? 10 days ago, yeah. September 23rd, same day cashed the check and took the run out. Well, if he's working the city for the first time, he must figure he's had some fair luck. 10,000 on the first try is pretty encouraging. Yeah. If he gets the idea that town's a gold mine, he's not going to pull out stakes here. Figures. Probably trying to reach a couple other women with the same angle. Could be he's working on it now. Well, that's the problem. What do you mean? A woman. Say he's been romancing three or four of them around town. He's got them all primed. How you going to warn a woman about a thief before a purse is gone? After getting off a wire to Chicago regarding the suspect, which was in addition to the broadcast and the APB we've gotten out on him, Ed Jacobs and I continued checking out the various contacts that he'd made in the city. We checked stores where he shopped, banks where he allegedly did business, restaurants and hotels which he reportedly patronized. It took three days of dull, steady legwork. You can say it much faster than you can do it. All of the bank references without exception were falsified, where he made purchases that were strictly cash dealing. The same for the restaurants he'd frequented. Besides meager descriptions of the man, the restaurant employees weren't able to help us much. At one of the two hotels where we learned he was a guest for a full month, we finally met at half a lead. One of the bell boys told us that the man known as Charles Reynolds seemed to be pretty friendly with the head waiter in the hotel dining room at Henry Kingsbury. We located Kingsbury in the dining room in mid-afternoon directing arrangements for a large private party to be held at night. Across the dance floor, the orchestra was on the bandstand rehearsing. The musicians in their shirt sleeves. Kingsbury was reserved and not too cooperative. Yes, I was acquainted with Mr. Reynolds, no more than the other guests, though. That's not the way we get it, Mr. Kingsbury. We hear you were pretty friendly with him. Only as far as my job goes, that's my business making people feel at home, making them comfortable. Well, I understand Reynolds was a pretty heavy tipper. Is that right? You always took good care of me and the boys. The waiter's very generous. Did he expect anything special in return for the tips that he gave you? I don't think I understand. Oh, I think you do. How about it? Well, he was always very good to us, all of us. I could hardly refuse. Refuse what? When he first moved into the hotel, he became friendly with me, introduced himself, gave me good tips in advance to take care of him.  Third or fourth night, that's when he asked me. Yeah. He said once some prominent women came into the dining room, wealthy women, would I point them out to him? Single women, of course. I couldn't see any harm in it. He put a $20 bill in my hand. I said, yes, I would. After all, we have to look out for ourselves. Did he expect anything else for those tips? I don't know. I don't think he'd be right if I told you. You know why we're here, Mr. Kingsbury? We leveled with him. We expect you to do the same with us. Well, there was a two-wagoner, sisters. They came here every Sunday night for dinner regular routine for them. Yeah. Mr. Reynolds is at the bar. He asked who they were, and I told him he seemed impressed. He asked me to help with an introduction to them, and I did. Next afternoon, he came to me again. He said he was taking one of the wagons, sisters, to dinner that night. It was important to him. He gave me another big tip. Said he wanted us to roll out the red carpet for him that night. Mm-hmm. What that consists of. More special consideration, the best treatment in the house, you know. I was to act as if I'd known him for years. Well, it was a good tip. I did what he asked. As I say, we have to look out for ourselves. Has happened more than once today? Two or three times. Yeah. Miss Wagner, Dorothy Wagner, she seemed impressed. At the time, I didn't think anything was wrong with it. You actually didn't know Reynolds, was that right? You'd never seen him before. Well, I suppose, yes. I only found out later, though, reading the papers. I mean, what really happened. I didn't know what he was at the time. You couldn't see what Reynolds was up to? You didn't know what he was doing? No, naturally not. He was a good tipper. That's all I know. It was the money. We have to look out for ourselves. Yeah. I felt sorry about Miss Wagner. I went to the funeral. They couldn't say I'm to blame, could they? What happened, I mean? It's not on my conscience. You wouldn't say so, would you? She's dead, mister. You figure it. Thursday, October 13, the investigation continued. Still no sign of the suspect. We got an answer from Las Vegas and also from the Chicago PD's Bunko Detail on our inquiries. They enclosed mugshots and fingerprint classification of the suspect, Frank Richland, alias Charles R. Reynolds. The pictures were shown to witnesses and acquaintances who'd known the suspect and they definitely established Frank Richland and Charles Reynolds as one and the same person. We got out a supplementary APB containing the latest information on the suspect. Saturday, October 15, we got our second complaint on the Mary's Bunko Artists, this time from the practice of a small chain of lunch counters in the San Pedro area on Miss Hoggar Lindstrom. Ed and I drove down to the harbor area where we interviewed her at one of her lunch counters. She identified Richland's mugshot. Her story of the Mary's swindlemax closely with that of the previous victim, Dorothy Wagner. Yeah, he was a fine gentleman, Mr. Jan Richland. I don't know what happened, I don't know what to say. You told you it was from England, Miss Lindstrom, is that right? Yeah, he talked like English, but he could speak good English, like from London or someplace. So she built boats, big ones. How about your pipe, ma'am? Big boats. Oh, yes. He told me that's his business. He said he had lots of money. We would sail around the world on a honeymoon. Maybe he wants to come back still. I hope so. I wouldn't call on that, Miss Lindstrom. Would you tell us this, please? How'd you happen to meet this man, Richland? At the hotel, up the street. The big hotel. They can show it to you. The one on Jackson Street. Yes, ma'am. They seem to know he was a rich man. Nice, glossy horse. He spent money a lot. When we got married, they spent lots of money. Where were you married, ma'am? We went down to Mexico. One weekend, we went down there and we got married. It was romantic. Very nice. If I'm Lars, like that. Who's that, ma'am? Lars. That's him down the counter there. Lars, my brother. Oh, your brother went along with you when you got married. Is that right? Lars and I go every place together. I don't do anything without Lars. Mr. Richland was nice about it. He did seem to mind Lars. Just a minute, they called him. Lars? Huh? Lars? Lars and I run the business together. I do so. I found something here. It's a long time. They have worked at it. Hard work. I guess so. We make good living. What is it all? That's why it was so bad. Mr. Richland, three thousand dollars he took. Yeah, I got. These are the police, Lars. They want to know about Mr. Richland. How are you, sir? Yeah, he was no good. When they find him, they hit him. Now, the three thousand dollars he got from you, ma'am, how did that work? I mean, did you give him the money? Lend it to him? Just what was it? When we came back from Mexico from being married, Mr. Richland and me and Lars, he said if I'm sitting for money from his bank in New York, Mr. Richland said that he wrote me a cheque for three thousand dollars. I gave him our cheque for three thousand. Even Lars thought it was all right. Didn't you, Lars? Yeah, he was crazy. His cheque was no good. He beat him up. He punched him good. That's quite a bit of money, Mr. Lindstrom. What kind of a story did he give you? He would buy the tickets for a honeymoon trip. That's what he said. A long trip together. Romantic. Mr. Richland and me and Lars, he didn't mind Lars coming along either. Did he, Lars? No, he didn't mind. Now this Richland disappeared right after he cast your cheque. Yes, sir. I got the money and it was gone. Six days ago, we never heard him. I don't know why he did this to us. I thought he loved me. I thought he was my husband. We haven't seen or heard anything of him since he disappeared? Not many, Lars. But maybe we know that's why they call you officers. Yes, ma'am. We have this friend downtown, James Swenson. He met Mr. Richland once when he was here. Swenson called Lars on the telephone. He said he saw Mr. Richland downtown, going into the hotel. Are you sure it was Richland? Yes, he said he thought so. How long ago did he see him? Last night. We got on the phone right away and talked to the friend of the Lindstroms, James Swenson. He gave us the name and location of the downtown hotel where he thought he'd seen the suspect, Richland, the night before. Ed called the hotel and checked with the desk clerk. Yeah, that's right. Fairly tall, wavy gray hair, fair complexion. Might be registered as John Richland. That's right. Okay, we'll check with you later. Bye. See you later. The guy registered is Harold Richland. Descriptions match. He's still there. Checked out this morning. You are listening to Dragmit. Authentic stories of your police force in action. Compare Fatima with any other king-size cigarette. One, Fatima's length filters the smoke 85 millimeters for your protection. Two, Fatima's length cools the smoke for your protection. Three, Fatima's length gives you those extra puffs, 21% longer than standard cigarette size. And in Fatima, you get an extra mild and soothing smoke plus the added protection of Fatima quality. 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We examined the room he'd been staying in, talked to the residents and the employees in the hotel, but we failed to come up with a single lead as to the suspect's whereabouts. During the week that followed, we received three different kickbacks on the all points we'd gotten out on Richland. We checked each one of them out, but they failed to materialize into anything. We stayed on it. October 19th, Wednesday, 7.58 a.m. Morning. Hi. Let's do it. Charlie Frost called from Forgery and went over to talk to him and came up with something on the Richland thing. Yeah, what's that? Picked up a woman last night named Helen Stokes. She's got a good-sized record. Checks, Bunko Records. Yeah.  She wrote one for $3,500. Yeah, well, how's the time with us? Cheque was made out to Harold Richland. 8.15 a.m. We signed out, drove over to the main jail and had the Forgery suspect Helen Stokes brought to one of the interrogation rooms. She was a dark-haired, fairly attractive woman. In the early 30s, as a Bunko artist, she apparently knew her trade pretty well. She was relaxed and talkative. She told us Richland had introduced himself to her at a Palm Springs Resort the week before. When did the business of the cheque come up? As soon as we got back in town, he gave me the story. His money was in a New York bank. I played along with a gag. He wrote me a piece of wallpaper for $3,500. I did the same for him. It's a difference. Nobody hurt. Both cheque, solid rubber. Maybe you forget, ma'am, as a lawgaster. So, me and gag, I told you that. You would have loved to have seen his face when he found that the cheque was a phony. You don't think they're going to push the charge against me, do you? No, we've already told you, ma'am. She wrote a bad one. There's a law against it. That was only stringing him along. I knew his cheque was a phony, too. I didn't have anything to gain. Look, suppose I help you find me. Would you give me a hand on this? See, I got a break. We can't make any promises. You cooperate, helps kind Richland. We'll be taken into consideration. All right, you're on. You can tell if a boy had tipped you. You know where Richland is now? I can come close to her. How do you mean? I know where he'll be next week. On further questioning, she told us that she read a letter from a friend of Richland's inviting him for a visit the week of October 31st. She also noted Richland's answer accepting the invitation. She said the friend's name was Maurice Archer and that the letter came from an ocean boulevard address in the beach town of Venice. We went back to the office, ran Archer's name through R&I, and found out that he had a previous criminal record of petty theft and grand theft. We went back to the office, ran Archer's name through R&I, and found out that he had a previous criminal record of petty theft and grand theft. We located him at an ocean boulevard address and brought him in for interrogation. If there was any trouble, he wanted no part of it. After talking to him only a few minutes, he broke down and told us where we could find Richland, an address out near the end of Melrose Avenue. It was an apartment court. The suspect was registered in one of the rear cottages under the name of Reynolds. It wasn't at home. Ed and I went on stake out inside the cottage. We waited. 6.30 p.m. Somebody coming in? Yeah. Hold it right there, Mr. Police Officers. What's this? Hands out in the open. Come on up. I don't understand this. Want to shake them down? Yeah. Oh, it's clean. Look, I don't know what you want, officers, but this is a mistake. Your name, Charles Reynolds? Reynolds? No. My name's Richland. I don't do it. Let's go. No, just a minute, please. What am I accused of? Who's accusing you?  She wanted us to turn you. Helen Stokes. Stokes? Oh, no, you can't believe her. She's following me. She's nothing but a con artist. It's a good reason to believe her. Why? Takes one to no one. 7.05 p.m. After checking through the cottage, Ed and I drove Richland downtown and took him to the interrogation room. He'd admit nothing. We called Miss Wagner, the sister of his first victim, and she was still in town. She agreed to come down to the office to confront the suspect. So did the second victim, Haggar Lindstrom, and her brother, Lars. Cars were set out to pick them up. At a special show-up, Richland was picked out as the guilty man. We took him back to the interrogation room. Miss Wagner was the first one called in. She again identified Richland, alias Reynolds, as the man who had married and swindled her sister, Dorothy. All right, Miss Wagner, that'll be all. Thanks very much for coming in. Yes, all right. Thank you. Look, I don't know that woman. I'm not trying to be stubborn, but I'm afraid you're wrong. I'm not the man you want. Lindstrom's are outside. They're waiting. All right, for you, Miss. Miss Lindstrom? Mr. Lindstrom? Men, please. Miss Lindstrom? Mr. Lindstrom? Yeah, that's him. Yeah. I don't know, you. I've never seen you before. You married me, John. You wanted to be my husband. You said that. Why did you want to hurt me? Sorry, I don't know what. You said for you and me and Lars to go on the boat, on the moon, around the verve. You and me and Lars, you set out those things. Why did you want to hurt us? Oh, why? Is that enough for you? I don't know what they're talking about. Hey, babe, do you want to take it easy, Mr. Lars. Why? He said we all go around the world on the moon. All right. All right. Get him out of here. Okay, Mr. Lindstrom. Thanks. It's no good, Lars. Come. Yeah, please. Out this way, please. Yeah, fine.  Thank you very much. Oh, yeah. All right. All right, Wetzel. Are you ready to give us a statement? All right, I'll tell you.  You wouldn't have gone through with that deal yourself. Nobody would. What's wrong?  What do you mean? A big clown, or Brother Lars? Yeah. How'd you like to take that along on a honeymoon? The story you have just heard was true. The names were changed to protect the innocent. On January 14th, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 88, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a moment, the results of that trial. Now, here is our star, Jack Webb. Thank you, George, gentlemen. It means the reason Fatima can make the money bag guarantee you heard earlier can be summed up in two words. Fatima quality. Just prove Fatima quality yourself. Just compare Fatima with any other king-size cigarette. Fatima's length filters the smoke, 85 millimeters, cools the smoke, all for your protection. You get those extra pops because Fatima is 21% longer than standard cigarette size. And Fatima gives you an extra mild and soothing smoke, and the added protection of Fatima quality. Prove it today. Bye, Fatima. 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And on business news, Nigeria has been given $1 million by the economic community of West Africa states to boost food and nutrition needs in Kastuna, Zanfarah and Bonestate. The fund was given to the United Nations World Food Programme in 2021 as part of an ECOAS humanitarian assistance to the Nigerian government for victims of violent conflicts in the Northwest and Northeast. According to a statement by the WFP on Thursday, the fund was approved for Nigeria from the ECOAS Regional Stabilization Fund and the Federal Government has sought the collaboration of the WFP in Nigeria to apply the fund to elevate food and nutrition needs in Kastuna, Zanfarah and Bonestate. The program targets 840 food insurer insecure households, about 496 persons in Zanfarah, Kastuna and Bonestate with food assistance.


Well on the court, one team that is open some eyes in 2017. The Panthers from Park Rapids, they cruise through the regular season and are getting ready to open section play Saturday with one specific goal in mind. The Panthers volleyball team has had one word on their mind since the start of the season. State. Definitely been a good season and that I'm pretty confident that it'd be so like good to go to state and everything and you know we have had it as a goal and you know I really think maybe we can achieve it this year. Coming off a 22 win regular season and have won seven straight matches and feel like they're playing their best ball of the year. That's what the season is for like progressing and getting better and I feel like we have we actually like started in December playing volleyball like JL when everything and throughout we've just been playing like good competition. And it all starts at the top with the leadership of their three seniors Jaden McCollum, Kenny Carlson and Courtney Byer. We have three strong leaders and that's pretty rare but they certainly have kind of made it clear to to everyone that's in this gym that it's their goal and to just be they really want to go to state they have worked at that since you know since I've had them and they just will not take no for an answer. On the court Carlson and McCollum have hit major milestones their senior year. Kennedy with 3,000 career assists and Jaden with 1,000 career kills. Definitely a team effort like I need the dig there or the pass there and the set there to get my kills. It's pretty special I couldn't have achieved it without my coaches and teammates and it's always been the goal of mine so it's pretty rewarding. Now all their attention turns to the postseason or in the top seat in the south section eight to a ready to achieve their goal. Every team is going to be out to get us so we're just going to have to take one game one point at a time and just make sure we come out with that W. Focus on one match at a time and we just focus on each team play and more focus on our side rather than the other team. We've been working since like fifth grade and we know it can happen and if it did happen that would be the best feeling ever and we knew that like all of our hard work has paid off. Panthers play the winner of Detroit Lakes and Fergus Falls Saturday afternoon at 2 p.m. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


Exactly, this is about the least flashy team you could possibly get. They are deeply experienced. They are humble and they are lifelong public servants, but they are not political. They are just career people. So let me just put up the list of the women who will be leading the communications team in the Biden White House. But as you point out, it's very notable because Washington is the ultimate old boys' club. It's critical that for the Biden transition team it leaves that they are putting adults in the room. That's why you're seeing a lot of Obama world veterans, both formally and informally. Joe Biden breaking new barrier by announcing an all-female White House communications team. Joe Biden this morning is moving on with this transition, including trying to make good on this campaign promise to diversify the White House with that first, the all-female communications team. And he's already pushing ahead on his campaign promise to diversify the White House with a first in all-female communications team. Mr. Biden also announced his new White House communications team. It is a diverse all-female group. It's an amazing picture when you look at it all together. Thank you very much, Nicole. President-elect Joe Biden is set to name another round of key White House and cabinet officials. He's unveiled an all-female senior communications team. For the first time all of the senior staffers tasked with shaping White House messaging will be women. Other thing I'll just say is I was talking to a Democrat who just said this also felt like the Avengers. It felt like we're being rescued from this craziness that we've all lived through from the last 40 years and now here are the superheroes to come and save us all. I'm going to show you some more stomach-churning media reaction to Biden's cabinet picks, but first this quick message about the only collagen I trust. 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If Biden becomes president it's gonna be another repeat of what we saw during the Barack Obama administration and probably way worse. To talk about diplomacy being back, to talk about Joe Biden's empathy and humanity, to talk about diplomacy being back, it is all an implicit rebuke of Donald Trump's foreign policy stewardship over the last four years. Another thing I'll just say is I was talking to a Democrat who just said this also felt like the Avengers, it felt like we're being rescued from this craziness that we've all lived through from the last 40 years and now here are the superheroes to come and save us all. This behavior from our former free press should really concern and scare you. Why? Because they're clearly just acting as mouthpieces for the Biden administration and that's dangerous. During a hypothetical Biden administration, they'll all just smile and nod to whatever Biden says or does. Wallace and Yamanchi, two obvious Democrat Party activists, talk about the quote return of diplomacy. When did diplomacy stop? The media just doesn't like the way Trump gets diplomacy done. They think it should be done the way the Washington establishment says it should be done. But Joe Biden breaking new barrier by announcing an all-female White House communications team. Joe Biden this morning is moving on with this transition including trying to make good on this campaign promise to diversify the White House with that first the all-female communications team. And he's already pushing ahead on his campaign promise to diversify the White House with a first in all-female communications team. Mr. Biden also announced his new White House communications team. It is a diverse all-female group. Ho ho ho! So screw diversity I guess. It's worth noting that while the media applauds Biden, they didn't care that all of Trump's press secretaries have been women. Of course his communications director and his White House press secretary were men. But I think that would be better since it's more diverse. How can you possibly reflect America when this country is around 50 percent male then claim a cabinet of all women is reflective of America? It just goes to show the people who lecture the most about diversity have no consistent standard for it. It basically just means getting rid of white males. Well that's about all I can stand of these hacks for one day. Keeping up with the lies spewing from the Democrat media is tough and it requires a lot of time researching recording and editing. So if you want to support this channel you can do so using one of the links that's listed in the description or in the pinned comment. Thanks for watching. Keep coming back.


Cloud. Welcome. It is Docs Office Hours. It's November the second reminder that we abide by the Jenkins Code of Conduct. Be nice to each other. So proposed agenda topics. One of the gaps I'm seeing is adding more copy editors. Review the change log. Hacktoberfest results. Security restructuring and adopt a plugin tutorial. Any other topics that need to be on our list for today? One quick one. What happens with the time of this meeting next week? I believe the United States goes off daylight savings time on Sunday. Oh, good question. Okay. So let's put meeting time and the evils of national modifications of time. Okay. Very good. All right. Okay. Good. So we will let that's a good topic. What other topics? If we get through all of this, we'll come up with some other stuff. Okay. Cool. All right. So let's take the evils of national modifications of time first. I live near Boulder, Colorado, where the atomic clocks are maintained for the United States by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. We should stop modifying clocks. The usual pattern here is meeting time continues to be UTC based. So if we need to change it, let's agree to change it to a different UTC time. But for right now, it is scheduled next week. It will be one hour earlier next week. Is that workable? I think that's no change for Dheeraj because I think they don't meddle with clocks in India. I think you're right. I think they're sane. Is that okay for you, Meg, or would you rather be one hour later? Kristen, is this one hour earlier a week from now when the country messes with the clocks is okay? Yeah, that works for me. Okay. So all right. Thus, we'll be one hour earlier next week. Okay. Local time. And please stop messing with clocks. I've threatened to move to Arizona. My wife is from Arizona. I have citizenship there if you wish it, but it's blooming hot in Arizona and my kids are in Colorado. So I agree on the heat. It's very hot down there. And having lived it for many years, that's the least of its problems. Oh, no, no, no, come on.  I love I love Sholo area and the White Mountains are beautiful, but that's true. It's a different even so my kids are still in Colorado. Right. All right. So end of plea about clocks. Are there that's the adding more copy editors is definitely what I want to discuss with the two of you and and see your your sense of it, et cetera. So right now we're short handed. We have how do we do that? We ask for permission and then we grant you permission if it's if the community discussion accepts that it would be allowed. Okay. The question is are forward to each of you as individuals. Are you interested in this additional role? Do you have capacity to do anything with it? Right now we've got Oleg who is heavily loaded, Rick who's not not involved hardly at all, Tim who's involved and I'm involved. So we've got two and a half involved, if you will. And and I think we need more bodies just to schedule the to spread the load more. I've got time now, but I don't know what my future is. What would we need to do for or maybe like what is the responsibility of being a copy editor? Good thing for the recording. Right. So a copy editor, a copy editor is a reviewer and an editor of content for the Jenkins.io site. So they operate against three repositories. The plug-in wiki docs repository, largely nothing to do there, the Jenkins.io repository, lots to do there that happens and needs review, et cetera. So blog posts, updates to documentation, et cetera. And then the IEP repository is largely unused. It's it's for infrastructure enhancement proposals. So your the primary role is to review pull requests and merge them after they've passed review for Jenkins.io. Now the danger there is that there's a certain level of experience required that some of the things we want to be careful before we merge. Others we have to ask permission. So for instance, changes in the security area should always be reviewed by security people, that kind of thing. Right. And that's I mean, copy editor traditionally is just, you know, spelling and grammar and adherence to style. Right. And that's and this this copy editor role is a misnomer in that sense, because it's much more than that. Right. And I'm not you. Well, and and but I think that's okay. If just having extra reviewers is a real positive. For instance, I just posted I posted a blog post yesterday. And now 24 hours later, it's not been reviewed yet. And it's one of those that needs that sort of time sensitive. I reviewed it and left you one comment last night. Yeah, I guess I should say differently. It's not been reviewed by anybody whose whose review would authorize me to merge it. Right. And and that's a I understand. I mean, with only four for reviewers, right with only four copy editors right now that I think is just too few. So to I guess, let's go, Kristen, are you okay if I propose that you be added as a copy editor or would you rather not? I can do it. I just it's finding time. Well, and that's I think I'll be I hope I'm having some more time come up. But who knows. But I can definitely take some time and even I guess reviewing a few requests would be helpful. As long as that's good for people. Yeah, and actually, that that would be more than good enough. If you can if you can add 20 minutes a week. That's 20 minutes we don't have right now. Right. So that's already a dramatic improvement over what what we're getting now. So okay, so I'm going to go ahead and put as a yes. As always, it's no no yes. And we understand you this is not a commitment. This is not a guarantee anything like that. It's you're willing if your time allows if your personal schedule allows. Could I be like a silent apprentice or something, Mark? I could read over them at least flag things that I thought you needed to check. Oh, sure. Yeah, that would be fine. Yeah, maybe make you more efficient. I just get you know, I'm willing to do a lot of stuff if I know there's somebody who knows what they're talking about. He's going to come along and check what I said. Good. Okay, so consider copy editor in the future. Right. After mentoring that. Yeah, that sounds fine. I think that's great. Because then what that says is we take give it a period of a few months of hey, we're going to mentor mentor Meg for a period of a few months, proposing Kristen be added because Kristen you've got enough experience to say yes, yes and no, and you're conservative enough in terms of what you'll what you'll actually merge that I'm not working. Yeah, it probably wouldn't be still kind of making sure that for a while I'd appreciate the double checking just to make sure what I'm saying is correct. But yeah, well, and, and, and that's becoming a copy editor is certainly no, no commitment that you will merge things. Okay, that's if you're not comfortable merging it or you want additional consult, you certainly don't have to merge it. But there is that this is a thought to we could try out this model. There may be other people out there like me who are willing to do it but are not qualified to actually make the final judgment. But they could still save some time for you and Oleg and you know people who know really know this stuff and Kristen for that matter. Yeah, that makes sense. Right. Go ahead Kristen, excuse me. No, right. Yeah, it sounds like even just kind of reviewing it to ask the right questions to bring your attention to something that we might not be confident like Meg and I might not be able to confidently say is the right action might help speed up be a better use of your time to right that way you can look at something very because something that I'm finding just in the various things I'm doing is a lot of times there is another piece of documentation that's referenced from something that sounds like the right title but you go and look at that and that's a mess or the piece you're reviewing is actually in conflict with what's in the other piece of documentation and that takes time to read and I can at least look and say these can't both be true I cannot judge which is the correct one. Right, I like that well and and truly that kind of analysis that type of analysis is quite helpful. Right, it's that's defensive work that others of us should do and far too often may not do in the rush to get something merged and you're doing it is a few people working on all this stuff. Exactly. Yeah, right. But I'm saying that's something that you could put out also for people like if I saw your request for copy editors I would not volunteer because I don't think I'm qualified. Right. So maybe you could offer for copy editors and for Carpenter copy editor apprentices or something. Right. You know, we might we might get some nice green people who would jump in. I agree. Okay, all right. So I will so let's let's put and I don't think D Raj is here so let's put the mark to propose the addition to the Jenkins developers list and and we'll see what the conversation goes there.  He's he edited a couple he commented on a couple of mine that thing on the nodes and executors and stuff. Any chance that he would be interested if you actually specifically asking. Don't know who it is. That's a good question. Oh God, you know the name. I'm just drawn a blank because I'm not Tim Jacome. I don't know. No. So Daniel is commenting here. Find the one with the nodes and executors and all that. Oh, okay. All right, let's look there. Okay, so no or go back to the. Well, no, I've got Okay, no, it's a very bottom of your screen. Don't scroll. Just go to the bottom. Or it's just waiting. No, it was there. Oh, I see. I see it was it's it's been merged. Good. That's very good. This one. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, Deepak Deepak. Yes. Okay. Right. Yeah. Well, so Deepak is not yet experienced enough with either writing processes or the Jenkins project, but he may be willing. He might be a good candidate to be mentored, just like, just like Dirage would probably fit the same, the same role. Right. So Deepak and Dirage all would be, would be very good. Both would be very good candidates. Another question just in general about, so the copy editing is done, like security, we have Daniel who owns it, but does anybody now like own same managing Jenkins and system administration? Does anybody own the pipeline? No, no, in the just the copy editors in general. Okay. Yeah. And whether that any of the technical people, I mean, that's what I'm finding there's this huge problem is that the basic documentation here is just missing. Right. Correct. And, you know, and they're so, so then it's coming back to, it seems to me, there's a problem with the process. I don't know what we do about it, but Oh, because we're missing the first layer of knowledge, like the being able to get the what you should be writing about versus the tech making sure what you're writing about is clear. Right. Okay. Yeah. So is, is, is that a structural question or a content placement for existing content question? Tell me more about it, Nick. I guess I mean, what, well, working with Daniel and Valek on security works great. We can talk about, I can look and say, I think we should do this and this and this and they can say, yeah, this is a good idea.  They say it more nicely than that. There's nobody like that for these other pieces. If I wanted to address the managing and Jenkins administration stuff, there's nobody to have that conversation to officially have that conversation with. If I wanted to hit the pipeline stuff, there's nobody to have that conversation with. And it would be nice if we had a technical person or two who was willing to sort of have that role. Oh, no. Yeah. So, and I think it's, I think the answer is there. It's, it's us. So Docs office hours is the place where we discuss, discuss the structure and we can do it in the Gitter channel as well. So so it kind of comes down to you and Chris then become the ownership for everything basic. Right. There's worse people to have it, but it's a load on you guys on top of everything else. Well, it's, it's the, it continues to be the, Hey, we don't have enough bodies. And so we'll continue chasing for bodies. Yep. We could also consider using community Jenkins.io as a discussion spot. But for me, the office, this office hours and the chat channels are pretty simple places to do it. So, so if you're okay with that, I propose let's make that, that our working plan, we just say, yes, as we have questions about what should be in the user, user handbook and where let's go find, find those answers ourselves here. Right. I'm perfectly happy with that. Just pointing out, yeah. Okay. All right. So I think we got closure on the copy editor's question. And then we've got this structural definition topic ready to go on to change log. Yep. Sure. Okay. So this one is a little different. It's different in that what we're reviewing actually won't be visible tomorrow. Usually we review a change log and the next day it is released. The tomorrow there won't be a weekly release and the weekly release that would have happened tomorrow will happen Thursday and it will be a security release. A security release is intentionally only the preceding weekly and security fixes. So none of the changes that have happened since last Tuesday's release are actually going to be included in the next weekly release. Daniel does that the security team does that so that it gives the weekly a lower risk of having some major regression that was introduced in the preceding during the preceding week's development and is commingled with security fixes. Right. So our review of this is proactive one week ahead of time. Okay. Great. All right. So there's a change log for the security stuff then or there there is but it's private. Okay. That makes sense. Right. It's yeah it will be public when the security advisory is posted so that the people who see it can read about what the security problem is that's being fixed but people who shouldn't see it won't get it until then. Okay. All right. Okay. So this is a major big deal. Congratulations to the organization. Thanks to Basel Crow. This thing is wonderful. All right. So what we see here is pull request 5707 upgrade Guava from 11.0.1 to latest where latest is actually 30 or bigger. So this is a major version jump of this Google Guava library and it's taken months and months to get this to that point and Basel has been just absolutely wonderful what he's done for us. The project is so so fortunate to have him working on it. Okay. So let's look at that pull request because I think we want to change the that's interesting. Okay. It says Jenkins is oh oh got it. This is very wide text. All right. So let's read it in place here in this Jenkins has upgraded the Guava library from 11.0.1 released in 2012 at 31.0.1 released in September of 2021. Plugins have already been prepared to support the new version of Guava. Be sure you upgrade all plugins before and after upgrading Jenkins. So for me that actually is brilliantly well stated and upgrade guidelines will be included in the LTS that includes this. That LTS is about four months away. Okay. So we're not going to get this very rapidly because we want time for it to soak in the weekly before we expose it to long term support. Okay. Here's the proposed Guava or the proposed blog post. It's been reviewed by me and by Liam and Jesse and Tim Jacome as ready to go as soon as the release is posted. There are some minor changes to it. Do we assume when we tell them to upgrade all plugins that that includes restart Jenkins afterwards? Yeah. For me at least that's certainly my assumption because anytime we tell them to upgrade we've consistently said upgrade the plugins and not bothered with you'll need to restart and in fact in this case you actually don't have to restart. Oh okay. Because what's going to happen the sequence you'll use is you'll upgrade the plugins immediately before upgrading Jenkins. You'll then stop Jenkins, upgrade Jenkins, start Jenkins and open it up and upgrade your plugins again. Okay. And by doing that you shouldn't have any intermediate restarts because you've done the restarts by doing a hard stop. Are you okay? Okay.  No, great question. And looking at the other changes they actually I think they're correct to not be listed. This one will need we'll have to convert it to use the and have these be references but that means we've got the URLs so we know how what the URL should be and that's it's just the nature of the tool that it doesn't ought to convert those to references. Yeah. Cool. Okay. That's easy. Great. So that was that's and I think this one has already been marked as no I'm going to I'm going to mark it as approved. Okay. Approved knowing that the changelog approved but do not merge because this will become the content of the how do we safeguard this? Yeah. The only people who can merge or people who read these comments so that's fine. Content of the 2.320 changelog. The 2.319 changelog is a security release. No changes except security changes. Okay. All right. So 2.319 changelog done. Any any other concerns there? Can we go back and look at the raw stuff you were looking at for that? I saw something that's either a term I don't know or it's a typo. Okay. Let's see. So you want to look at the at the text here? Okay. Yeah. 5853 is a waitility of an actual word that I've never heard. It's a library name. Aha. Okay. And that's that's why it's a comment here. So yes, there's a library that was upgraded. No users don't actually need to be told that we upgraded that library. Okay. Okay. Cool. Forward. All right. Okay. Onward then. So next piece. I drafted the Hacktoberfest blog post last night. Hasn't been reviewed yet. Here's how it looks when rendered at one of the screen sizes. And Meg, your feedback has been incorporated. Thanks very much. Okay. So the video is now there. I can look at that. Yeah. So this this thing is working for me just fine. Oh, I don't I'm completely perplexed why it didn't work for you. But please try it. Okay. Okay. I will try again. Yeah. Actually, let's go on when we're done of this. Why don't you stop sharing and I'll share and try it again with everybody. Oh, that's a good idea. Okay, very let's do the rest of stuff on here first. Yeah. So so I now one of the things that I was worried about, I did not include your improvements to the security docs. I think that's fine. You're okay with that? Yeah, because they're not complete. And because of Daniel's other obligations, I don't know when they will be. Okay. So, so we're going to let them ride for now. Great. Yeah, I didn't see it as part of Hacktoberfest. And so I'm happy. Okay. Any questions, any topics we need to discuss on security restructuring? No, just there's I'm just working on other little bits and pieces and Wattic has started reviewing some of those. But everything is going to have to be on hold until we get that huge PR that restructures everything merged. Great. Okay. I keep telling Daniel, take care of yourself first because he's over. Yeah. And that is correct. He's very, very busy getting ready for this security release on Thursday. There is no way we should disrupt him with this with this with documentation restructuring while he's working. Moreover, there's no way he should feel guilty of being keeps apologizing to me that I'm having to wait. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. Right. Yeah. Thank you. That's exactly the right approach. Sometimes people are so conscientious that they are harmful to themselves. Thank you. That's yeah, that's why our best people bring themselves out. Let's stop that. Right. Okay, good. So ready to merge ready to review when experts are available. Yeah, good. Excellent. Okay. So now I've got an opinion question. And then I think we're ready to switch and have you share after we get this opinion question. So Darren and I have completed the five video tutorials on adopting a plugin. And it was, I kid you not, it was a lot of fun. We had so much fun.   And what a treat. And we're going to now embed those five videos into this tutorial on how to adopt the plugin. So what we've got is we've got contributing to open source was a workshop that CloudBees funded my development of it for DevOps world. And so now what we've got is a 21 page document outlining a whole bunch of small steps that any contributor can use to add to improve a plugin. And with 1800 plugins and 110 plugins up for adoption, there are lots of places that people can help us make improvements. Whether or not they adopt the plugin, these are steps that will help. And so the idea is each of these subheadings here becomes a single page on Jenkins.io in a developer tutorial on improving a plugin. And so they'll have a series of 15 or 20 steps that they can take to improve a plugin. The idea then is now the question for the two of you is what style of navigation do we want as people are going through this? And I'm now going to show you three different examples of navigation. So here's how the in the user handbook, we navigate by using these things along the top. So to go to the next, it handles it all for me. It remembers it. I just click and I go to the next thing.  But that's how it's, this is how the navigation works. And as I go down the left column also also right. And as I'm navigating these things show in bold where I currently am. So, so for me that that has some attractiveness because it gives me a some visual cues where I am. Okay, so that's that's one alternative for navigation for this adopt a plugin tutorial. Here's another alternative. This is how the plugin tutorial navigates. It uses a list of here are the steps that we're going to take. And then echoes those steps in the top of each page like this. Okay. Okay, so that's that's an alternate now for me this one is daunting because as a reminder, the list is much more than four steps. I was thinking that myself yeah. And for me putting it at the top here. So with 20 steps here that's going to be a serious distraction to the reader. Right. Okay, so that was that was option two. And now I'm going to show you the third option. This is the one that I like least of all of them. But it's another option and this one is does not offer a top level table of contents but each at the bottom of each page is a hyperlink that takes you to the next thing with a continue to this. And if the pages are short enough, the problem for me with this one is these these contributing to open source steps actually many of them are independent of each other. So I do not have to have completed all the steps prior in order to successfully complete one of the steps. Right. And so having a navigation model that requires that I navigate through every page just feels like let's see where to go this one. This thing really doesn't have a table of contents on the left I can use to navigate or any other way that I can navigate. Right. It might be hard to go back to things you want to read again. Right. Right. The traversal backwards is also difficult. It's like oh there isn't a go back. I have to use my back button. And I can't see if I'm looking for one piece of information. I can't just glance and see where it is. That's a good point too. Yeah. Yep. So so back to the the the first my first preference for the moment at least is to attempt to get this style of layout and have it be placed in the now I got to go to the right page to show where it will be placed because that's the other part of this is it's a little awkward to say hey we're going to do it because this page does not really have a table of contents on the left. Oh good. We could restructure this maybe that's now I hadn't thought of this but maybe that's a better approach should should the developer handbook just be structured like the user handbook. Yes maybe yeah goes up that way it's consistent. Okay so now now let's let's test that by looking at some of the contents here so the reference documentation this I think of as a table of contents to the developer to a developer handbook and when I go to this one hey here's this nice you know this so this really does have a reasonable sort of navigation model and might fit with the whole developer what do you call it the developer handbook say okay this is going to be the developer handbook and we're going to make it like this. Yes so have it look like this one user handbook so we would have developer handbook and it would be a top level thing. Yes okay all right that's a that's a much bigger thing but I I think I like that any any objections to the idea of a developer handbook. None. Preference is to okay and that may be something restructure the developer where what have we got here we've got yes restructure the developer topics into a developer handbook are modeled after the user handbook with chapters underscore chapter dot yml definition and then sections for and now the sections would be plugin tutorial adopt the plugin tutorial oh I think it was create a plugin and then the other topics were reference document oh reference documentation how to guides this is like a random comment would be better to have those above like if when we're ordering it like above the plugin tutorial yeah yes yes you're right absolutely yeah and maybe what we should do is how to guides first right the highest frequency things first yeah I look at is like if we're rolling down through the your experience with Jenkins like all right we're getting started here's some good reference and then now you're getting now you're getting to the more advanced stuff here you're taking over either you're creating your plug and you're taking over one yeah okay good okay so we answered we answered the question that I had on how to structure it that's that's much more work but it's something that dirage and I may be able to make some progress on and work together just thinking about it it's yeah you know what it would feel better if if the developer documentation had more of a navigation sense that the user handbook has it just developer documentation this is all about developing plugins right well it's all about development topics and so I would say it's even more than plugins because there are things for instance in the how-to guides on how to do how to do localization how do you do translation right and so how do you do how do you do um well what's the architectural framework how does it how does Jenkins think about itself and these kind of pictures okay and then I should turn this into too much work I mean the architecture would be really nice for system administrators too yes and I think I think that's an interesting idea that we might want to reuse this architecture diagram in some of the documentation and some of the user handbook right because that thing I I confess I reused it in a blog post because I think it's a thing of beauty oh really with this oh yeah yeah put that everywhere exactly it it's it is really a well well considered thoughtfully structured and understandable introduction to oh wow yes here's where this goes and this goes yeah so wholehearted agreement there all right so back to so we've got model it after the user handbook and now the question is how yeah so that's that I think answered it great right any anything else there if I go to the Jenkins IO docs top am I going to see the developer guide then if you go to the if you go to the very root what you have here is documentation developer guide okay okay and we have documentation user guide that is not a terribly attractive entry point it really should oh I know why because it this thing really should open to this page right right because truthfully the that page isn't even accessible any other way and this thing doesn't help us that much the whole structure is just a mess you know and given that we don't have the resources to do some of the basic stuff it's like sort of need to look the other way but right because the only thing is I'm a developer who's writing applications that are being built by Jenkins and I go to the Jenkins docs and I see developer documentation I think that's for me oh oh so you're you're gonna take me a while before I figure out oh no it really isn't unless you want to up your game yeah so I'm that is a problem I'm not ready to solve yet no I think that's a that's a much lower threat than some of the the requests for hey give me more help about how to use pipeline give me give me more examples of pipeline so I'm I'm less concerned about people who come here as a developer who's using Jenkins there is a quick fix go back to where you just were that user page okay use guide this one um right there those the first section we take that material and flip it and make that the top when you open the developer documentation at least immediately say this is documentation for people who want to extend the functionality by Jenkins oh oh I see your point yeah so that when they so an introductory page like this for the developer guide which would say the developer guide is focused on people who are developing Jenkins not developing other software using Jenkins as a tool that almost says I almost is there it could be a little clearer but right so that's our I mean it's not a perfect solution but at least if I open it I'm quickly told this is not for you go over there yeah well and and here as you said here it is if you want to extend Jenkins by developing your own stuff read the developer documentation good okay all right so this yeah this feels like I think what we just did is we just described a google summer season of docs project because this this rework here is is significant rework to get things into a place where hey it would it would navigate easier etc and where the the navigation of the user user documentation and of the developer documentation would be similar yeah so I mean I can already see that look there if we jumped there if this link took us to user documentation home that's probably that's probably a better choice even though this link says user guide right okay cool that covered all the topics I had Meg are you ready to for me to switch off screen sharing you share your screen and let's look at that video okay okay I've stopped sharing my screen oh hi dear Aj yeah thanks for being here sorry we were just blissfully going along in conversation without paying any attention yeah no problem I'm just very sick that's oh oh you're poor I'm so sorry to hear that you do not have it is this is still the early hours of your morning you do not have to be here if you're not feeling well dear Aj no I was just missing the docs office so I just joined him just to listen to all of you oh thank you that's very kind of us sorry for the voice it's just not that good to hear well and since you're here we've got a question for you from the earlier session so let's Meg's going to test drive a video hyperlink for us here and so you'll need to look at the content of the files for you rather than this okay I'm trying to think where I got in the link yeah so go to files changed and and look for youtube there it is there we yeah there you go pick that so now you've got to cut it carefully perfect now I don't know what open link in new tab is going oh good it did behave way I hoped it would okay so that looks that is not what I did last night though they got me in trouble but it may be just the nature of this thing is where is it in here oh okay so here yeah so if you if you click that was where I got in trouble right and this thing that you what you what you're good okay what you're seeing there for convenience for reviewers I pasted a picture of the blog post for reviewer convenience so you see what it looks like on the page but the links in there are definitely not clickable there's no map there and so when you click at all you get is the picture okay okay along okay I failed to read your comment that's I need to learn to read more carefully you say it right there there's a long skinny picture of this blog post I thought I don't know where you'd ever get a long skinny picture of this blog post but okay what do I say that from the yeah from the preview image or the blog yeah right okay great and you're talking in third person it's like I'm dealing with my twins again that's just a life or Donald Trump unfortunately no wait a sec let's not get that's not good I mean he does that you know oh okay we we used to sit around dinner table and have to lecture the children please stop talking about yourself in the third person I need I need you to say I right not not your name okay now how do I resolve this wait a minute scroll down a little bit and you'll see so it's not showing um oh it should that's interesting so uh don't worry about it there's there's no no maybe you have to resolve it yeah it may be and I can certainly resolve it knowing that you've knowing that you've reviewed it that's good enough okay so that does that and oh and I'm great so and you can you can switch unless there's something else you need to share you can switch off oh there we go stop share okay let's get back to where I could stop sharing so dirage we had one question for you um I'm going to share my screen again so that we can look at it together and use the notes so right here what we one of the topics we started with early was adding more copy editors for Jenkins.io um what we've got right now is there are four of us who are copy editors me Tim Jacome, Oleg Nanashiv, and Rick in China and I'd like to propose additional copy editors so what we proposed was hey Meg has agreed that she'll she would like to be more involved in reviews but is not yet ready to be a copy editor but after a few months of mentoring she may be ready to become a copy editor and the reason for that few months of mentoring is to be sure that her reviews are comfortable confident that that everyone agrees oh yes Meg would have proposed and merged this and we agree it should be merged uh the question to you is would you be willing to take that kind of a role as well where you would become a potential copy editor and after several months of mentoring we would plan to promote you to become a copy editor so that's an easiest from my side uh learning experience and I would love to yes thanks great all right excellent okay great so I will I will use that that makes it convenient because Docs Office hours then can be a place where we discuss and go through that kind of mentoring so that's that's really good as well then excellent all right so if I see something that I think you should check do I just leave a comment that says I at mark you wait yes yeah just at reference me say hey or even better if you can just leave comments or or even go ahead and approve the pull request because as a reviewer you can approve it your your approval is non-binding and it doesn't let you merge but when you've put your approval on it that says hey I think this is ready to merge it's a good way for somebody else to realize they they probably don't have to do the same level of detailed review because you've already done a detailed review okay okay we'll do some we'll see what comes up and we can discuss that here great yeah all right and let's see Dira as you were here for the I think you were here when we were discussing the the navigation choices for the plugin tutorial yes okay good all right so any any concerns from you on the idea that we switch the navigation for the for the developer components to to be a new thing called a developer handbook no options from my side looks good okay great all right those are all the topics that I had any other topics we need to discuss today so I think we already went through the change log right we we did it was relatively simple and actually it's probably a good one for us to do a review so that you're aware of why it's so simple so the 2.319 change log that we see online this one is actually not going to be used for the 2.319 release because the 2.319 release is a security release it will only include 2.318 plus the security fix so any other changes that have happened during the last week will not be included that's intentional so that weekly users get something that if they were using the last weekly the security fixes don't have additional complicating things like other changes that would that might be a major regression so the the the thing that will actually happen is this thing we looked at today as the change log for 2.319 will actually first be visible to users as 2.320 one week from tomorrow or one week from today your time okay so the security release so the security fixes will be added by who oh good good good question so the security team adds the security fixes in a private repository okay the the security team writes the change log in a private repo the security team writes the writes the security advisory the security team builds builds the the the war file privately all right and then on release day they publish those things so it's this a security release is a very different thing because of the sensitive nature we don't want we don't want to disclose the vulnerability without having a fix ready when we disclose the vulnerability right okay that makes sense so do we have anything else to discuss because I do have one point we do not what's your what what point did you need to discuss yes so I was thinking about the Linux foundation internship so as per my knowledge it happens on demand basis like if there's anyone interested that's when Jenkins team thinks about doing this internship so what kind of topics do this internship goes forward something like that your your timing is marvelous for asking that thank you very much for asking because I'm about to pay him for that yeah I really should pay you for that because I'm about to propose some things to to my my employer proposing that we use Linux one or more Linux foundation funded internships to accomplish some very specific needs inside Jenkins so so what we've got is Jenkins core has some outdated components that need to be updated or replaced and and that's complicated right because if we take an example the guava upgrade that just arrived on the Jenkins on the Jenkins weekly release it will arrive next Tuesday 11.0.1 to 31 this was released in 2012 and this one is released in 2021 so we're doing a nine-year jump with that component and that's absolutely terrifying and a lot of work we have other things like the next target is juice after that we've also got prototype.js that needs to be replaced yahu UI the let's see what are some other ancient components etc so so those feel to me like good candidates for a Linux foundation internship the idea would be we fund a three month internship for a for one or more interns doing the work mentored by experts from the Jenkins community where cloudbees pays the salary of the mentors and I hope to persuade cloudbees to fund the outreach or the the Linux foundation internships so so that's one topic and that's already a significant one then there is plug-in modernization for key plugins and this is see the the workshop for the 10 or 15 steps that are needed in a number of plugins so is this the same workshop that you and Darren both will do it it is it's an it's an evolution of that thing yes okay okay yeah so it's it's the Darren and I did the five part video series and what what happened as we were creating that series we roughly added 50 percent more to it just by the act of creating it because we realized oh whoops here's another thing that can be improved here's another thing that can be improved and I'm confident that the rate of expansion of those topics has not slowed yet so there are there are more topics yet to be discovered things like getting rid of jota time using getting rid of jsr 305 annotations and using spot bugs instead those were things that we discovered switching to api plugins instead of loading the api yourself in your plugin those those kinds of topics that are hiding behind them are probably still other things like that another one have you heard of something called open search open search I have not I may get I think I just have a little bit I won't tell you my source but just got a little hint of it apparently elastic search search and kebana are going to no longer be under the apache license they're going to be a little more restricted and not an open source so amazon has forked the code from the last apache licensed version of elastic search and kebana and are apparently developing something called open search with that oh no so and I'm not not not at all aware of that one so that I don't know that we're using any of those components in janken so I'm not sure how we're not but they're well I know it hits I you know get gripped I think I love the day you taught me about get grip by the way it's I just love it for everything we do mention of elastic search and kebana a lot of times get mentioned for watching your logs is that you intersect with those oh right okay so observability kind of right and okay so and it it may be but I guess the big question is whether we are going to support both elastic search kebana and open search and I don't know how far along open search is if it's like if today I can use open search or if it's still a yeah I'm sorry it's like I remember reading about this was like a massive drama inside of like the open source community stuff I would almost say that if we're going to do it we should say all three right because like people are still going to pay probably to have their elastic search stuff so I'd want to make sure that we like we cover that from the perspective of and it may initially be sort of like LDAP and you know that they are essentially the same from the user standpoint yeah and whether they will eventually diverge we can deal with that then but right right um because I can imagine someone like googling elastic search and we still wanted to hit this so got it okay yeah so so the the I think the more immediate thing in that theme is a thing called open telemetry which allows observability of Jenkins pipelines and Jenkins operations inside elastic or inside dynatrace or inside other observability tools and and so but that's that's not open search that's not the that's not the fork the hard fork that that amazon has done this is a very different thing this is much more cooperative and and the elastic people are actually actively working with the Jenkins project on open telemetry and presenting about it and sharing how it's working for them right okay so we we've hit hit my time um if you're okay with this this one dirage let's let's plan that we have you and we'll do this include this topic in future office hours because i'm going to have a discussion really pretty quickly here with people about potential funding for several linux foundation internships uh to do these kinds of these kinds of things sure should we put the restructuring of the development guide oh oh yes that's a well actually that one's that one I would think is more of a google google season of docs right that's that's funded by google but restructure the developer topics into a developer handbook so how do you differentiate like which one is for linux which one is for google season of docs so is it because is it in google season of doc because it is purely documentation project yes this this google season of docs is well suited to things that are purely documentation and and maybe documentation structural as much as they are documentation content okay okay and what about what we did with chicode africa last year is still you know for the marvels of that project that work is still undone and i'm not sure that's really should be seen as much of a doc project it is more of a oh no and that that one is not but it's a for me that one is a different that is a different scope the linux foundation internships have the benefits that they are three months right and um at least when i read them $5500 compensation to the intern so so a reasonable compensation chicode africa is one month and $500 compensation right i was i was just thinking that maybe it would be good if we were maintaining a list of these big things that need to be done oh oh right then we could then when something comes up you know we could say oh you need a project for google season of docs and we can go and look and say this and this would be appropriate right oh i see what you're saying yeah good good idea that we should we absolutely should track those kind of things and and we've got pages like that for google summer of code so there's no reason we can't do something similar for google season of docs put put topics out there on the jenkins.io site that say hey here's here's let me find it because we may already actually have it documentation and now google season of docs there we go okay status page so here are project ideas that we've captured in the past and we can certainly put more there all right sorry i've gone over by along any other topics before we end for tonight get diraj i'm so sorry diraj you're feeling better are you seriously sick or just need time to recover um i think i need time to recover and we have diwali in two days so i need to get recovered yes yes really better soon that's the plan yes so so i the great excuse now i'm going to turn off the recording because now i'm going to ask a question that may be indelicate stop okay stop the recording


We know that caloric restriction makes lots of animals live longer. It's been reported to extend lifespan in yeast, mice, rats, monkeys and other organisms. But it doesn't always work. In a study using house flies, caloric restriction actually shortened lifespan. And another study found that caloric restriction decreased the lifespan of mice when it was started at an older age.


Hi, this is Dr. Don and I want to go over a simple linear regression problem that is a little bit different in that we need to look at the residuals as well as the normal things we do in finding the equation of the regression line and making a plot. So let's look at it. For given data, our X variables and our Y variable, X is the predictor variable, Y is the response variable, the thing we're trying to predict. So let's start by clicking on the icon, I'm going to open this data in StatCrunch. Okay, we have our data and we want to do the regression. So we go to Stat, regression, simple linear, we need to select our X variable, select our Y variable, and fortunately they've named those for us. We're going to leave the hypothesis test alone, but down here on this problem we don't need to actually predict any values of Y. What we do want, we want to get the fitted line plot and then I want to get a plot of residuals versus X-axis. So I'm going to hold the control key down and select that. That means I've got two things selected, fitted line plot, residuals versus X-values. And then we just click compute and we get our results. Okay, I have that expanded and we have a lot of good information about our regression. We've got our regression equation up there, Y is equal to 20.358 plus .095 times X. So that's the information we need on our regression equation. We've got our correlation coefficient of .29 and then that's all we're going to talk about right now.  This is our fitted line that we need to match up with the options in there. Remember you can play around with the X minimum value and I'm going to change the Y minimum value. Most often that will give you the best portrayal of the fitted line plot so that you can compare to the options in the question. Here is our fitted line and these are our actual data points. Remember the residuals are the differences between the regression line prediction for a particular point and the actual point. So there's the residual between the fitted line and a point. Here's the residual again. It's always vertical in the Y direction and here's the residual for this point. This point is almost on the line so it's residual very small. That's the residuals we're talking about. So let's look at them. Here we've got a plot of the X values in our data and these are the residuals. The difference is between the line and those actual Y plots. And what you're looking for when you're looking at a residual plot versus the X values, you're trying to see is this a random arrangement of the residuals or is there some sort of pattern going on? And here you see we've got a pattern that this is not random.  That's not random. That's the main thing I'm looking for. If it's not random that means it's not fluctuating around zero evenly, randomly and it's not fluctuating then that means it's not a good representation, not a good tool to be using for predicting Y values. So I hope this helps.


If someone said I want to be you, what would be the first thing you'd tell them? Specializing in a sport that makes more money than lacrosse. Drew Westerville, founder and COO of Hex Performance.  Let's do it. How does a Pro Lacrosse player create a laundry detergent? Well, I can guarantee you I never thought I'd make laundry detergent. The original idea had nothing to do with detergent. It was about cleaning sports facilities, which was close to what I was doing at the time playing pro sports. And the product we were using to clean the facilities was really effective on turf. Turf was no different than the fabric that was emerging in synthetic fabrics in underarmor and the lemon. I was wearing it as an athlete, couldn't clean it. I started messing with the chemistry we were using on the commercial side in the laundry machine. It found really impressive results and it pivoted there. Why is it called Hex? It's called Hex because of the chemistry we use. They're actually diagrammed in hexagons and going through a naming process is terribly difficult. And that one had something that stuck with me. What is the hex molecule? The hex molecule is an ingredient, a technology we use that has a lot of benefits. Super unique for the laundry space. What makes it so unique? It's not a masking agent, so most ingredients cover things up. This is something that has a lot of cleaning benefits, removing specifically from an odor perspective. And it also provides a preventative technology that stays on the fabric. That prevents odors, it has a soft feel, it has an anti-static property, a lot of unique benefits that are all in one ingredient. The hex molecule is a really cool name, I like that you've branded it. Does anyone else use the base ingredient like yours? No, no, it's a very unique ingredient that historically wasn't used in aftercare or for cleaning. It was usually a technology that was built into a fabric or built into something when it was made. We've reformulated it to use for aftercare, so it's actually the first time it's been used in aftercare. Why did you abandon the whole anti-stink thing which is so relatable to a more safe message like clean up your active wear? Everyone's talks about odor, that's one benefit. It's a polluted space, everyone's doing it, everyone's marking it against it in a masking agents. Everyone says they do it, everyone's a sport, everyone's odor. The real opportunity to create a new category is addressing a fabric that's emerging. So active wear is a space where we can address and do that well beyond just odor. It's about caring for that fabric and have it lasting and performing and not having odor, so it's a bigger play.  Well, I mean, the best way to prove something is to get someone to try it and see it for themselves. I mean, from the inception of this product, we've done a lot of lab testing that's atypical. It's a traditional detergent, so we've done a lot of testing that it is substantially different. The best is try it for yourself. Why do you blast your test results everywhere and try to make a whole stink about it, unintended? I think I don't think it's consumer-friendly. What brand poses the biggest threat to your existence? We don't look at this as us against other brands. We look at this as us against a group of individuals we want to capture, so I don't think we look at it that way. Is it weird being a male founder running a brand targeting millennial women? Frankly, I think laundry isn't a female topic. I think it's very quickly evolving to your own laundry, and I don't think this is a female job, so I don't find it weird at all that I'm in the laundry space. Who did your branding and what was the brief? VMG Creative did our rebrand. It was predominantly a packaging redesign. The brief was very specific to one unisex-looking package. The store clerk was very masculine, but it was really about addressing active wear and finding color palettes that aren't currently used in the category was really where we went after. Why do you switch from cool avant-garde packaging to the standard laundry model? It's a tough one. I loved our unique packaging, but I think in certain categories there's some things you can push and some things you can't. It's obvious that people like to detergent bottles. What makes you so good at your job? I don't know if I'm super good at my job. I have a lot of fun with it. Now we have a great team. I think we're going the right direction. What do you love about yourself? I'm starting to learn to seek help. So what I'm loving about myself is not putting everything on myself and starting to try and think of it like when you're an athlete, you have a coach. I think there's no different in business. It's okay to have a coach and consult other people. So I'm liking my ability to reach out and find support from others. What part of the business surprised you the most? The challenges of entering the category. What's the hardest part about this job? Patience. What have you learned so far? An NBA on the fly, I guess. I mean, this has been, you wear so many hats. I mean, I don't know if there's like, couldn't identify one thing. It's daily. If someone said I want to be you, what would be the first thing you'd tell them? Specializing in a sport that makes more money than the carols. What's the most transferable skill from pro sports to brand building? Peaks and valleys and grinding through. Tough stuff. What's the hardest thing you had to learn on the job? It's no longer sports. It's not a locker room and really understanding how to interact with people. What is a piece of advice you live by? Lead don't follow. Whose career do you model your own after? I don't think I modeled after anyone. I don't think it's one person in general. I think I've modeled for pieces of a bunch of people. What part of your brand still needs work? Every piece of our brand is never done and moving forward with. So I think for us, I think we've done well, is continue to evolve. So I think it's all a living document. What part of the brand are you most proud of? A most proud of our reason for being. And I think we're very focused on addressing what we think is an unmet need in the category. But that's really authentic. How important is community? Massive. What's the best and worst consumer feedback you've ever got? Best consumer feedback. This is a little general, but we actually get letters from people who have used the product. I think it's really unique. Not digitally, I mean written letters. So that's always interesting. The worst is hearing people ask us to move back to our bag packaging. Does PR sell products? It can. Do you work with influencers? And if so, how? Yes. I don't think it's a pay to play per project. I think you need to have partnerships and long-term agreements where this has to be something that's authentic and real and not forced and it can't be, hey, here's some money to post once. It needs to be a frequency game and it needs to be super real and authentic that they're actual users. What's been the best use of marketing dollars to date? It's honestly been influencer tests. PR or influencers? Influencers. If you had one marketing dollar to spend, where would you spend it? Influencers. Why is it so hard to get people to switch laundry detergents? It's very habitual until things have happened in the marketplace from a fabric perspective. You really haven't had a need or had a problem. It wasn't not functioning. Is there a reason laundry can't go DTC in the way that you see these other reusable, kind of Windex brands now coming up? Are you not able to kind of powder ship it and do it that way? I think it is. I think 90, over 95% of the category is still bought at retail. I think that's going to change rapidly. In the e-commerce space, you have more leeway to be more innovative in how you deliver laundry. I think there is still in the U.S. a huge issue with people thinking more is better. And 90% of laundry is water. So essentially 20% of the dose could be your dose, but no one believes it. It's crazy. When you see concentration, and that's a huge opportunity for direct consumer, is to reduce concentration, reduce shipping rates, and having people understand that more isn't better. It can be a small dose and still be highly functioning. Are you working on that? Yeah. It's a challenge because we launched the brand in a very concentrated dose, and we had feedback from people saying, this can't work. Even though it did, they had great experiences with it, they would constantly overdose. It's an education challenge, but it's a huge opportunity for direct consumer because I do believe that channel is going to grow immensely very quickly. It also feels like the next generation coming up wants everything to be more eco-friendly and reusable, and you're kind of forced to do the most least eco-friendly situation at the moment, it feels like. But that's kind of what America wants. I think we're a country that thinks more is better, and the younger generations coming up are thinking differently, which is great. Pushing brands to be more agile and think differently about the delivery technologies. Have you seen the success of a Truman's getting an investment from Henkel and Blue Land? Another one of these, all these, we send you the cool bottles once, and we just can't send you refills. I think what it says is there's opportunities to have alternative deliveries for certain channels. I don't think the business has to morph strictly to that vehicle. I think the beauty of direct consumers is how quickly you can test new ideas. That isn't an opportunity at retail. The sales cycles are so long and they're so regimented in what shell space is available, so it's really risky to try those out-of-box ideas, but I think that's the beauty of direct consumer and Amazon and your own website is your ability to test new ideas. And I think that route of just shipping a refill in a concentrated route makes sense, especially from a freight perspective. And I think it's, for any brand in cleaning space or whatever, it just gives you an opportunity to try different deliveries. It's not- I have to move the whole business here. Drew Westervelt, founder and COO of Hex Performance. Thanks so much for coming on and answering some questions. Thank you. I'm Ian Wishingrad, and we'll see you next time on I'm With the Brand.