Transitional Justice here on a given Monday, I'm Jay Fidel, this is ThinkTech, and we have a report of news that is very important and very current, and it is the coup in Khartoum, the coup in Sudan where the military took over the government. This is very important, especially if you have the fact that we've been talking about Sudan and the possibility of a coup and the possibility of rotating the government between the military and the civilian representative government in Sudan with Mutasim Ali, Mutasim is Sudanese. He's here in the United States right now, but he is following this and he tells me that with the news in Khartoum he hasn't slept all night. So Mutasim, what is going on there? What is going on? Thank you, thank you Jay for having me on the show. And I think this is a very, you know, critical moment in Sudan's history. This last night, actually early this morning, the military leaders sort of began resting the civilian leaders and taking over the power in a very unfortunate setback to Sudan's revolution. And at this point, Prime Minister Dr. Abdullah Hamdok is taken to an unknown place. Many other ministers were detained and protesters were shot. There were three protesters at least at this point were killed and more than 140 people injured. At this point, thousands of Sudanese are on the streets protesting to protect their revolution. Wow, we talked about this possibility the last time we were on the show and I was fascinated. I told you I was fascinated with the notion that there would be an agreement by which the power in the government rotated between the military and the civilian. But in our discussion with Tassim, it came clear that when you when you do that and you give the power initially to the military, they will take every opportunity to undermine the civilian government, so that when the civilian government is supposed to, you know, take its turn in the rotation, it won't be able to do that. And gee whiz that's exactly what has happened here, hasn't it. Absolutely. This is for many observers who continue to follow the situation in Sudan. This move from the military is very much expected. They have planned for it. And from the very beginning, they did not seem interested in transferring power to civilians. There were many reasons to as to why they were, you know, they were not prepared to handle power to civilians. Number one, most of them. And I was speaking of the head of the military council. And in addition to the head to his deputy, who was the commander of militia and militia named genjewit that is involved in serious human rights violations in Darfur particularly, but definitely also in other areas in Sudan and so there are somehow, you know, either perpetrators are complicit with, you know, with human rights. Serious human rights violations in Sudan. Most recently, you know, I don't know if we spoke last time about a massacre in capital cartoon that was in June 3 2019, where hundreds of protesters were killed and dumped into River Nile. Others were detained, rape, kidnapping, right, and those that atrocity and the massacre was committed by the same individuals that now, you know, conducted the coup. So they, they fear accountability, they fear, you know, prosecution, you know, if the power is transferred to the civilian leaders. And so they will do everything, everything in their power to undermine any democratic transition in Sudan. And it sounds like they'll do anything in their power to stay in power. Arresting the, and making them disappear the members of the civilian government, the prime minister. That's going to be hard to fix. And I'm sure that the civilian government is right now it's in, you know, it's in disarray. It's not like you could snap your fingers and they would come back and provide management of the country they have been torn up here in this coup. So, why, why do these military people, why do they want to do this what motivates them. What's in it for them. And why don't they recognize the need to serve the people of Sudan. You know, interestingly enough, the military leaders right now argue that the coup is actually they do not call this as a coup.  They continue to claim that the Sudanese revolution was hijacked by a few political parties, and it is the military's role to take that, you know, to take the power back to the Sudanese people. So basically they do not call this as revolution. Again, as I said earlier that they plan for this for months by creating events such as in eastern Sudan by creating some security issues, whether that be in Khartoum or other in, in peripheries. And the point was to say that the civilian government was unable to, number one, ensure that achieve Sudanese people's interest providing basic needs food, fuel, you know, you know, lower the inflation, and so on. And so they sort of, you know, created a situation where they can now they explain that the civilian government failed to deliver, and it is the military's responsibility to take over at this point. And so what they're trying to do now is to number one, declared the state of state of emergency. And number two, they dissolve the cabinet, basically we have no civilian government, and three, they are going to establish a constitutional court in the next couple of weeks as they said, they're going to establish a legislature also again the next couple of weeks. And the idea is to undermine the civilian leaders so basically they will pick people that are, you know, sort of subject to their decision they're bound by what the military would have to say. And so basically is, is a military coup in the making. And so this is really very unfortunate, but again, to your question as to why are they doing this what really incentivize them to take such a, you know, cool, and a cool step. I think the main goal is to avoid accountability. These guys involved in serious crimes, serious crimes and some crimes amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity. This is in Darfur, in South Kudufan and Bologna, the two areas as we speak about all the time, and even in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. And so they fear accountability and that's why they, the only way to protect themselves is to remain in power, and they can do everything possible to remain in power. Well, they have the guns. I mean it's not like anyone else has the guns they you know when you, when you have a say a protest and I read this morning in the Washington Post that in the protest they just shoot people. And then the protest can't be sustained that way because people are getting shot at the protest. So if you have the guns, you can control the streets it doesn't take long. And I guess that's what they're doing. So, so they have guns, they have money, and yes, they are brutal, they're ruthless, and they are committing really, they're killing protesters right. And so they would definitely continue to use, you know, force to oppress people. But again, the Sudanese people demonstrated that they would not accept military rule whatsoever. And they are going to utilize every peaceful measure to end the military rule. They have been successful to remove one of the long Africa's longest dictators, former president of Sudan, Omar Bashir, and they believe that they can also remove the junta in Sudan today. And that's why they're on the streets, they're facing life ammunitions, right, they are being held on daily basis, they're being injured, they're being attacked and detained, but they are determined to continue protesting in a peaceful manner to reclaim the civilian leadership. So Bashir, now Bashir has been charged with atrocities and war crimes. He was in fact removed, but he has a relationship, if you will, with with the junta right now. And they have in fact protected him, haven't they. So what what is the what is the interplay between Bashir and this military government. So, some people suggest that, you know, the junta as the acting to protect Bashir and the elements of the former regime in fact they are, you know, they're part of the for the Bashir regime they were part of the Bashir regime. So somehow they're protecting Bashir and so Bashir now for more than two years in the custody of the Sudanese government, yet he's not being tried for the atrocities that he committed. He's not being extradited to the ICC and the military guys have not even prepared and interested to extradite Bashir to the ICC. And so sort of shielding Bashir from, you know, from prosecution. But at the same time, I think, because the, the, the same military leaders removed Bashir from power, this is somehow cool again. And so, you know, they, they, as much as I would like to, you know, to protect Bashir and prevent him from being extradited to the ICC, if Bashir is back to power, the first people to be, you know, in danger are these military leaders. And so they're not really sure about what they are doing. They, they are, this is like a suicidal as some experts suggest this is a suicidal, you know, step that they have taken, and they'll have to, they'll have to pay a price sooner or later. But it might be later because their principal objective right now is to stay in power for as long as they possibly can. So, so I think this might take some time. And, and yes, I would have to agree with you that I'm not sure if they are prepared to, you know, to give up the power at this point. But certainly the, the Sudanese people are determined that they will not be back to their homes until they, you know, they completely claim a civilian leadership and there will be no power sharing between the military and civilian leaders. This would be a better idea wouldn't it we, we have found that rotating between civilian and military wasn't going to work and hasn't worked and won't work. And so you have to have the civilian government to supervise the military, the military must respond. And, you know, the military must be subordinate to the civilian government but it sounds like that's a long way from here. So this is a very long way to go. And I think when I mentioned that this is, you know, the coup that we have today was sort of, you know, was expected. And the reason why, you know, people like myself and other experts say this is an expected step was because of the power sharing deal.  And I think as much as terrible and heartbreaking to see the military taking, taking over the power. I think this could be an opportunity for Sudanese people to come together to unite and make sure that there will be no more power share deal between the military and civilian leaders. There is only one way, and that is a complete and total civilian leadership and military must be subject to civilian orders. So how many people live in cartoon what's the population of cartoon. You know, some of the data say that there are more than 12 million people in cartoon. And of course, you know, people can, you know, continue to come back and forth from from and to the cartoon, because it was a capital city. And why, you know, the value of the people in cartoon would make a difference people can put this and why in other states in peripheries. It is important to do so. But I think it is powerful and game changing when they do so in cartoon. So how many people live in what's the population of Sudan as a whole. I think the latest data will from 1987. And, and before the referendum before the separation of the South Sudan. There were about 49 million people and today, you know, even though there is, you know, no actual data but people say that they are about 30 3839 million people in Sudan today. There's an organized group of a political party of front. Some organization among the civilians, you know, among the people who who can speak for the people who can counter veil on the military. So, you know, they, they used to be a unified civilian leadership that, you know, would lead protest and direct Sudanese people.  People, you know, there are some, some of the committees in the neighborhoods which is a very good thing. The citizens committee, they are very well organized in terms of, you know, from, from the bottom up, but then there is no unified leadership on the top but from the neighborhoods and villages and small cities and all that they are very organized. There are some committees that are able to wallet and, you know, and put test and coordinate very, very well. But there is lack of unified leadership across the country that will, you know, get a sponsor and if in case there's a negotiation to transform power. So, you know, this doesn't happen in a vacuum. In fact, it has a certain amount of international notoriety because of the power sharing agreement in the first place, and then this very significant coup in the second place and so it's not happening in a vacuum and you have the countries around the countries, maybe not so close but interested in what happens in Sudan and, and you have the international community, and they are reacting. Some are taking more affirmative steps than that. I wonder if you could talk about how that is happening. This is the same day this will happen today. What kind of reaction from the neighbors, what kind of reaction from the friends the enemies of Sudan. What kind of reaction from the global powers. So far, there is really very encouraging international support to the democratic transition, and there is a unifying message, primarily from the United Nations, from the United States of America, United Kingdom, Germany, Norway, France, and many other European countries that they support the transitional government, and they are the military to back off and to immediately release Prime Minister and other political detainees. I think that that's a very strong and good message. And in fact, America just, you know, sort of, they express concern over the situation, and that they will with halt, if the military, of course did not release the Prime Minister and the other ministers that would release the 700 million dollars that were initially approved by the by Congress to support the democratic transition in Sudan. This is a very encouraging support and I think there's need, there's more need to be done. In terms of regional organizations, the African Union actually called for emergency meeting, and there are more likely to suspend Sudan's membership to the African Union. This is a very good step again. Ethiopia, on the other hand, our neighbor from the Eastern part also expressed concern about the situation and supported the democratic transition in Sudan. Whereas we haven't heard from Saudi Arabia, we haven't heard from United Arab Emirates, and we haven't heard from Israel yet, the country that Sudan, you know, began to normalize with. And this raises a little concern that they may sort of support the military guys to run the country. This is, you know, again, is yet to be confirmed, but again, I think this is a little more than a day now. And no condemnation from any of them, I think that's very concerning. So whether they support or, you know, the civilian government or, or don't. And whether United States turns over that 700 million dollars or doesn't. Does that have any profound effect on on the power that the military has taken. I mean, for example, if they, if the United States didn't give them the 700 million dollars. Would that change things dramatically. If they did or didn't do that. As you mentioned earlier the military has its own resources, and it may not be all that important, whether it gets the 700 million or not. Yeah, will it be. You're totally right from the past experiences I'm speaking of from the period of the former regime of Omar al-Bashir. I, you know, I hate to say this but I do not think that withholding AIDS or funds to Sudan will change anything on the ground, it will just make it harder for the Sudanese people, right. Because in the end, as I said, the military has its resources, and they have their international relations. I didn't want to mention name countries but they have relationships, they export gold, they export, you know, oil and other, you know, animal resources and all of that. And so I think there are, you know, the Sudanese people definitely be affected by this. But again, I think it is an important move. I think it is a strong message to send. The Sudanese people are suffering anyway. And I think Sudanese people may not object to this move by, you know, withholding funds to Sudan at this point. I think that fund was meant to support the democratic transition, but if we have the coup right now, then there is no point of transferring funds because there's no democratic transition anyway. I think we have the experience of the form of a share, as I said, you know, they've been sanctions sanctioned and they've been cut off from the, you know, from the world, and yet he was able to, but she was able to be empowered for nearly 30 years. And so I do not think that this will make a big of a change but I think a strong message to send to the military guys that there is a good need for democratic transition. Oh yeah, but nobody has said they're going to take affirmative action. Nobody has said they were going to send troops in, for example, nobody has said they were going to arm the civilians to effectively conduct a revolution against the military. Has anybody stepped in to actively support the civilians and the people of Sudan in this, or are they letting it happen as it will? Nobody actively moved to support the civilians in their struggle, and I do not think that that that is also something that is likely to happen. And I also believe that the Sudanese people may not want to see that because they believe that the only way to defeat the junta is through peaceful protest. They were able to do that with a Bashir and they are sure that they can do this with the military because these guys are powerful, they have money, they have guns, and so you cannot defeat them by guns and all of that. So the only way to defeat them is to continue peaceful protest. That's the strongest way to defeat them. Now the labor associations, organizations, civil groups and civil society organizations call for civil disobedience across the country. And that would be an effective tool to, you know, to make it difficult for the military to run the country, and hopefully that will bring them to an end. You know, in that part of Africa, there's always a possibility that terrorist organizations will see this as opportunistic. Is that possible? Do you think that terror organizations will see this as an opportunity and expand their presence in Sudan? The answer is definitely yes. As we know, terror organizations always tend to invest in a fragile political and security situations. And I think the situation in Sudan is very encouraging and very inviting, right? But I think if that happens, that would not only be a threat to Sudanese people themselves alone but also the international community, and it would definitely be a threat to the junta. And so it is a, you know, alarming situation. People will have to watch that closely. But hopefully the people of Sudan will be able to reclaim the civilian leadership before everything, you know, sort of, you know, everything turns to unknown. So, you know, what do you think that the, we call it the European powers in the United States, all the big international powers ought to do here? I mean, you mentioned sanctions. I'd be interested in knowing what sort of sanctions you feel would be appropriate. What kind of action would be appropriate in order to recreate a civilian government here? And for most, they need to be a support to human rights defenders to the Sudanese people who are protesting. So these people need basic things like SIM cards, right?  This is a peaceful, these are peaceful protests. And so these are really simple things to provide. This is number one. Number two, I think, for the international community to sanction, right? All the members of the military government right now, including the head of the military council, the POD and all the members of the council. We need to be sanctioned individually. And I think that will limit their movement. That will sort of, you know, put them under pressure. Of course, coupled with the civil unrest, I think that will likely end to, you know, handing over the power to the civilians. In addition, I think, you know, the moves like withholding AIDS to Sudan at this point sends a strong message to the leaders of the junta. And withholding AIDS from them from America should be from World Bank as well. I think that would be very encouraging. And I think the regional organization like African Union should use all the diplomatic pressure to pressure the junta to release Prime Minister, and immediately hand over the power to civilians. So the pressure would be all of these organizations, countries and the like would be putting pressure on the on the military in Sudan to step down and turn the power over to a civilian government. And be out of the picture or at least be subject to that civilian government. That's what everybody would be asking. Yeah. Absolutely. So this would be the main demand. And if you remember last time we spoke about, you know, of course, handing over power to the civilians is a very important step. But I think the most important thing is to restructure the military institution so that the military will no longer, you know, sort of need a military code, there should be no military codes in Sudan once and for all. And that can only happen through restructuring the military institution. And so it is important to have number one to hand over power to civilians. But I think it is even more crucial to, you know, to restructure the military institution. Yeah. So what, what do you, what do you think is going to happen here.  What do you think how this is going to unfold we're here on day one. Things are still, you know, happening. I'm sure the media as in the rest of the world, the media in Sudan is covering this to the extent they're not they're not being censored by the military. I don't know what will happen with you. Do you have any ideas about how it will unfold unfold. Unfortunately, I would have to be pessimistic out of the mystic at the same time, but the mystic in a sense that, you know, I fear that more, you know, people will be called protesters will be, you know, called and I think we began to see that already from from today. That will continue as people continue to protest. This is, you know, the pessimistic side of it. I think the optimistic of it is that the civilians will not back off. They will continue to peacefully protest the Sudanese people are very creative in terms of the ways of protesting I think, you know, revolution became part of their, you know, daily life is, you know, reflected in music reflected in anything in any part of their life and so and so I think that's very encouraging and the determination in the face of, you know, brutal militia and the army. I think that's incredible is something to celebrate and I have no doubt that, you know, they will be able to to claim victory. I mean, they would claim the civilian leadership total civilian leadership and would begin the democratic transition. One last question which I said we're almost out of time and, and that is this, again, nothing happens in a vacuum here. You mentioned that, you know, what we have right now is, is a fragile arrangement of fragile situation and it was fragile before to when they made that agreement. But everybody is watching. Everybody in the rest of Africa is watching, for example, and there are other fragile governments elsewhere in Africa. So my question to you is, how does this affect them. How does this affect other countries who may have the possibility of the same kind of military coup going forward. What does this do for for all of Africa, as, as, as a, as a group of nations that are watching every member of Africa. That's a very good question. There are a couple of things number one is that it is, you know, for sure for many African countries who are watching what is happening in Sudan today would be very discouraged. Right. So the new people bravely fought for a civilian leadership and they were nearly successful. And all of a sudden, you know, when the time sort of, you know, came to hand over power to civilians. The military guys sort of, you know, took over the power. And I think this is very discouraging for many people who aspire for democracy for freedom, and for peace. This is on the other hand, you know, I think the people of Africa should be inspired by the determination of the Sudanese people, the Sudanese people, as much as frustrated about the takeover of power by the military. They were determined that this is what this was expected, and they are willing to fight to a nail that until they claim their civilian leadership until, you know, they achieve their gold freedom justice and peace this is what they call for, and they continue to protest in the face of, you know, brutal, brutal militia and military. And so I think that should be inspiring. And I have no doubt that the Sudanese people will win this battle. And it goes beyond Sudan. It's symbolic. And of course, we're watching it, you're watching it very intensely, at the point of, you know, being riveted to it as a Sudanese person. But the whole world is watching and it will have an effect on all of us somehow. So we'd like to talk to you again about it with Tassim. Thank you very much for reporting to us today. Tassim, I appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity. Aloha. Thank you.


Got really inspired after watching the content flow in six video where you were talking about fortnightly writing with a view to a book and While I've been making content for five years. I haven't been tracking So I don't really have this analytics of like this is a stage, too I haven't been progressing content in the way that you recommend But I feel really ignited about how simple it could be to write a book if I just wrote for an hour once a fortnight, so I guess my question is Could I just follow a hunch and then when I articulated the question in the group I remembered I should definitely ask my audience But you know, I sort of have the framework that could be a good structure for a book or I could Just decide one and I wonder what you think in view of that. Does that question make sense? Totally makes sense I love it and I bet others on the call are also interested in this. So okay Where have you so a couple things happening here one is that I just want to briefly explain to everyone watching this Like there are basically two ends of the spectrum for how a book is written The one end of the spectrum is the traditional way of doing it, which is what you usually think like oh You know so and so it's taking a year off to write a book I mean that's like you have to have a lot of privilege to do that with some authors do right like you usually think oh Renee Brown is going to take a six-month sabbatical to write her next book It's like who which one of us has the time to do that or if you if you you know If you don't have time to take a six to 12 months sabbatical write a book You'll just be working hard on writing the book like in the evenings and weekends But you're like you're kind of like writing in your closet and then to finally reveal the book when it's ready And or I mean you probably have an editor if you're lucky to have enough to have a publisher They will be the ones editing it for you, but it's like it's basically in essentially a secret project until it's revealed to the public and Much of that secret project is new content or it's content that you've put in journals secret journals over the years So so that's the one spectrum is like keep everything all the content private until it's finally released as a as oh my dear baby the book Blotch, you know all that big big So that's one way of doing it the second way of doing it the other end of the spectrum I think it's the more modern way, especially ever since blogging was created every social media content You know and in fact a lot of the popular authors are now using this second way Which is to blog a book essentially? This is how I do it. I think it's much easier. It's much less pressure and it's much more market driven Because You know the way we blog a book blog a book. Yeah, some people literally just All you kind of mentioned that oh, I write, you know, I write an hour every fortnightly and then it'll become a book I Would I'll add to that so blogging a book has literally been a blog every day or blog every week And then I'll put it into a book But my my addition on top of that is the whole stage one two three content Which is stage one is casual exploratory stage two is repurposing and redistributing what's worked from stage one and stage three is turning your content into a book or A course or a coaching package or whatever product you have, right? So so naturally I think your question that you posted in Master Heart was well Does my so if I'm doing it that way that second way, right? Is my book is stage three. That's literally what a Product is it's stage three content. So does that mean I'm only Taking the stage two pieces into stage three It's a good question Ideally yes If you have enough stage two things But if you don't have enough stage two things you can take things from stage one as well that you think yeah This is probably gonna work to fill in some of the pieces or you might decide after you put the book together Or an outline of it together Maybe I I need to fill in this piece and that piece and those become your blog post too Yeah, cool in addition to being put into the book. So Basically stage three, you know, you basically take all the blog posts all the stage two things you've written Categorize them and go hmm, which category is gonna become a book and I recommend honestly To keep books short these days When I say these days, I mean really ever ever since the Kindle Age You know ever since the digital book age Keep books short people, you know, it doesn't have to be 300,000 words like it doesn't have to be Moby Dick.  Oh, yeah down to 15 minute or 10 minute reads They have one hour 15 minute reads half hour reads 45 minute reads one hour reads two hour reads And then they have a go so so people are also much more likely to Review your book if they finished reading it. So you'll get more reviews if you have a shorter book Oh, and it's also easier to publish and people don't complain. I mean about the size of the book I mean, yeah, if it's a 15 minute read and if it's like $10 You know, however long your book is should be comparable to the price of the books My books are $5 on Kindle. It probably should be even lower But I'm also purposely trying to filter out People's like, you know, I have to make a little slightly conscious decision to pay $5 for the book. It's not a dollar book It's not 99 cent book. It's a $5 book. It's probably shorter than those $5 books. I don't care So Natasha, does that help? Yes, I think so I think the other thing is even though I haven't been tracking stage one two three I do have like courses that I've made from content that I did develop in a similar process I just don't have a spreadsheet for it. So Yeah, and I'm glad you brought this up because you don't have to have a spreadsheet to track content And this is very important next next point, which is wherever you've been posting your content already has metrics Yeah, whether it's your website if you have we've posted content on your website as a blog Your blog has metrics your website already has metrics whether you've installed Google Analytics or not Squarespace Wix whatever WordPress whatever website thing you use already gave you metrics from the beginning they did So you can literally look at your website's metric and go, hmm, which blog post got the most You know got the got the most views. That's one metric second one is which blog post have the lowest bounce rate That's the that's another metric Okay, so so that's the blog post metrics if you posted things on on medium medium Of course gives you metrics how many reads and fans if you posted things on Facebook Facebook gives you metrics So even if you never kept the spreadsheet of the stuff all your metrics were always kept by other people Yeah, you know the platform you use. Yeah, cool. I don't seem to get any engagement on my blog at all and Same with my Facebook, but you know, I am using distribution now and trying to turn that around and at some level I Kind of know what people have engaged with and I looked at my Google the other day and someone had spent eight hours Literally just reading a whole blog eight minutes reading a whole blog and I thought oh wow people actually do come and read a whole blog of mine I was like wow, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, so so that that's that that's actually sorting it by Time spent on page if you have Google analytics, you can sort by time spent on page to show you what what how much time they spend on The which pages have the most time spent and so that's another good metric to say There you go, I'm so excited I really didn't think I was gonna be inspired to write books so soon, but I'm super excited. Thank you very much You're so welcome. You're so welcome. Thank you and I want to thank let's see Gregory of chatted to say I love how your Kindle books contain link chat links at the end of each chapter to the stage two videos That's exactly what I do I mean if you get any of my Kindle books that every single as you now know every single chapter used to be a stage two piece and so At the end of each chapter, I'm able to link Basically to say well, I'm able I make a video for each my stage two pieces So it's like I can link say hey watch the companion video for this chapter. It's basically yeah So they and then the nice thing is when they click on that that goes to my Facebook video Which means if they they read the book they click on the video to go to my Facebook page to watch the video And now they're automatically roped into my Facebook business page warm audience, which means I can now reach them through Facebook ads That's a whole other topic not for this video. But anyway, thank you for thank you for watching this


Not too many people practice it, but now it's becoming a very popular approach to mental health, physical well-being. So tell me about your upbringing. I know we're going to cover your product, but I just want to get a sense of who you are as a child. Right. Well, I grew up in Vancouver, Canada. I was born in Hong Kong, and I moved immigrated when I was four years old. So I basically spent most of my life as a Canadian. And when I was young, I had an accident when I was 10 years old. I was sliding down the stairs on my tummy, down the banister on the rail. I fell over, head first, and my head collided with the railing below, and then I fell to the ground. And basically, I crushed my skull, and I was unconscious, and they had to rush in the emergency crew. They took me to the hospital and to the ER.


Hey guys and happy New Year. Now guys, I'm super excited to let you guys know that myself and another English teacher called Lisa's GCSE English decided to team up. We decided to collaborate on a GCSE MOX revision series, especially for those of you guys who are going to be doing your GCSE MOX either this month or next month. So over the coming few days, we will be releasing GCSE revision videos covering English language paper one, language paper two, Macbeth, Chris's Carol and an inspector calls on both our channels as well as on YouTube. So make sure you stay tuned as every day we'll be releasing some revision content for those of you that preparing for your upcoming English GCSE MOX.


Okay. So, shall we go ahead and get going then? It's about five after. I think Taylor, you would volunteer to share the meeting notes, is that correct? Or did I miss here? There we go. Thank you so very much. I do appreciate it, Taylor. So, we, as usual, we start with events. So we have recurring events. You can get them on the network service mesh community site. So there's this meeting that happens every week at ADM Pacific Time on Tuesdays. We also have an NSM documentation meeting that happens in the same time slot on Wednesdays every week. And an NSM use case meeting that happens on the second, fourth, and fifth Mondays, between at the ADM time slot Pacific. And on the Mondays, you don't have that. You have a sister organization, the CNCF Telecom users group that happens on the first and third Mondays at ADM. All right, excellent. And then coming up, we do have some talk proposals in, I believe, for DPDK users space in Bordeaux, France, coming up in September. We do have a request over a direct message from the OpenCore Summit folks, asking if people would be willing to submit a network service mesh talk. So if you are interested in going to OpenCore Summit in September in San Francisco, please do submit a talk. We've got the Open Networking Summit Europe coming up in Antwerp, Belgium. That CFP is closed. We have a number of talks that have been submitted about NSF, NSF plus CNFs. We've got Bratislav has submitted a talk on the forwarder plus kernel efforts. Ivana has submitted a talk on SMI plus NSM integration. So there's a lot of exciting talks happening there. We have the OpenCore Summit coming up in Lyon. And Nikolai, Bratislav, and Ivana are submitting talks there, I believe. Do we know what those talks are about, Nikolai? Yeah, so mine was about sharing my experience for building CNF on top of NSM and VPP. OK. I also believe that they submitted a joint talk. Is anyone of them here? Yeah, we submitted a joint talk with Ivana. That is an introduction to NSM. Awesome. Intro talks are always good. And it helps getting them from multiple different perspectives. Because the more ways that these things get explained to people, the more that we capture up on YouTube, the easier it is for everyone to wrap their heads around it. Not everyone understands everything in the same way. And so having different perspectives is super helpful. So we've got Iszacan coming up in Sofia. And it looks like Ivana, you have a talk that's accepted. Is that correct? Do we have Ivana on the call today? No, but yeah, her talk is accepted. Awesome. It would be great to get a link to the talk here. Yeah, OK. And did Bratislav also have a talk submitted? No, I didn't manage to submit one. This happens. Yeah. OK, that's cool. Yeah, the link would be great because then it becomes easier to promote it in social media and that kind of stuff. All right. So we've got the KubeCon coming up. And that is closing very quickly in 10 days. So we should probably do put together a shared doc and get that out to the mailing list and start collecting clock ideas this week. So we can talk about them in next week's meeting and make sure you get them in. We do get at KubeCon either two 35-minute tracks or one 85-minute talk for network service mesh by virtue of being a CNCF project. In the past, we split these into two 35 minutes, like an intro and a deep dive. I think, Nikolai, you were advocating, I think, quite wisely, that we may want to combine them into one longer talk. So that we can definitely also sort out and we need to figure out what that looks like. And then I do want to make sure you've got here, Nikolai, you and Yang, you are submitting a talk for KubeCon North America as well. Yes, and there is essentially Taylor. OK. There was a tiny bit of ambiguity. Cool. So I'll try and get out today the sort of the traditional let's all share in a doc ideas for CFPs. So folks will collaborate there together. We definitely can. It often helps. And if you just want to submit your own talk without participating in that process, please feel free as well. Anything that gets more talk submitted is good for us. OK. Yeah, actually, the deadline is next Friday from what I can. Well, 10 days. Yeah. So we do have to get on that. But we still have enough time. I think we need to pull together. I'm wondering, can we can we do panels? So like, I mean, because essentially, if we're getting one, like 85 minutes, like long, like the birth of a feather type of session, maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I think we should. And I think we should probably get that a little more organized than we traditionally have in terms of finding a place and that kind of thing. Yeah, OK. My main question here is, do you think that we can have the three of us like me, Fred, and you getting together in a single session? Because that's actually probably not the three of you. But OK, we can discuss this. Yeah, I'm more than happy to try and facilitate that in a number of ways. I know in the past, we've been able to use various sponsor rooms and that kind of thing. So absolutely. Cool. All right. And then we also have coming up the co-located event at EnvoyCon. And that CFP also closes next Friday. So it might be interesting to see if it makes sense to submit some talks there, particularly around the wiring at Envoy. Envoy in as a network service, that might be a very interesting talk. OK. That makes sense. Yep. So I'll actually just stick that in there about it. All right. Then coming up shortly after that, we have Edge Computing World happening in Mountain View December 10. That still hasn't quite got a CFP. And there's Edge Congress happening in my hometown of Austin, which means probably we should do something there. At least I should do something there. And anyone else who decides to come to town to do a talk there, I can definitely hook you up with the best barbecue in Texas. The other reminder I would suggest here is, and we can particularly pass this on to Havana. She has a talk accepted. If we're going to have an event within NSM presence, it's always good to push a PR to the site that will provide an event page for that presence. Cool. I'm still waiting for EasterCon to publish their schedule in order to add it. Oh, perfect. That's completely fine. And sometimes events do take a little while to get those published. I just want to make sure that we're in a good position to promote your talk. Cool. Anything else on events? Any other events that we should add to our list? What about FDIO mini summit? I don't think we're going to have an FDIO mini summit at the KubeCon North America this time. OK. Have you heard about the LFN cloud native network network index? You mean the ones that are being done at various locations all over the world? Yeah. We had one at the same time as the FDA mini summit in Barcelona. So I didn't know if there was going to be one. I've not heard anything about whether there will be one or not, frankly. OK. I'll try to find out about that. That would probably be good to speak out if it's running. Yep. Cool. Awesome. So Lucina is sadly not able to be with us on the call today. But she did tell me that she's updated the social media reporting. So we do have 265 followers. That's up seven. We're following 1324, which is up 100. We've got 22 new tweets in the last week. And we posted about the new website, the CNCF tug call, and retweets about various other conferences like OSSEU, CNCF, K8s, SMI, et cetera. So and Lucina has gently nudged us that she would like to know about when she can tweet on the new release. And then I believe we have coming up today. Is this correct? A OBS orbit podcast interview scheduled? Is that right, Nikolai? Yeah. But we're probably going to postpone it because it was supposed to be me and Fred. We're probably postponing that. Cool. Awesome. So all right, so moving on then. The new website is live. Many thanks to Luc Perkins for the new website design. And so I know there are a lot of people with small myths. They wanted to see fixed on the page. This is that small thing. So let's get the PRs in for further improvements as we move forward. So then Nikolai, you wanted to talk about KubeCon China updates. Yes, and I believe that we have someone here that can help me a little bit. Yeah, we have Jason with us. OK, so the event was really nice, although shorter than what was planned. We had a really long discussions with a number of members of the community and interested in actually network service mesh.  And actually, one of the things that we wanted to discuss was to try to set up every other week to have 30 minutes, like my morning call, like your morning call, so that we can make life easier for people in Asia to be able to bring up topics, ask questions, and things like that. Yeah, I mean, apparently this call is late for them. Like it's probably... The unit is late, yes. Yeah, so that was one of the things that we kind of came to some conclusion there. So I am willing to organize that, but it will be probably sometime August, maybe second part of August due to some holidays planned here. And maybe we will schedule this if no one has any particular objections. I would like to use this same call so that it can get recorded and eventually the meeting notes too, so that we don't split over too many places. And the main target is really to just give the voice to the people from that time zone. And yeah, I think that probably it could make sense for some people from Zort also to join if they wish, but I guess that this is up to... Yeah, I think this is a super good idea. There are sort of standing time zone challenges. Yeah. That... I mean, there are a bunch of things where you want to try and make life as reasonable and easy for folks who'd like to participate in Asia because we do want to be a global community. I think these are super good ideas on how to go about it. And sort of the only feedback I personally have is actually purely mechanical, which are things like if we've got the videos online, let's get them up on the events page on the Wayne site. So when people go look at the event on the site, they can get to them. If we're going to go and do an Asia friendly call every other week, that's awesome. Let's make sure that we get it listed on the site properly so that it's easy for people to find, you know, and so that folks like Lucina on the social media side can go ahead and tweet it. You know, I think this is all just pure goodness. Do you have anything you want to add, Jason, since you're sort of helping us bridge this gap? So can you guys hear me? Yes. Oh, cool. So basically, so I do think this is a very good idea because, I mean, this for summertime is okay because it's close like say 11 p.m. to midnight. But when it comes to winter, then you're going to be to 1 a.m. So it's really, I've been like say, went through a little bit of harsh time since I started joining this community, like say, last year, last year, December. So, yeah, I really appreciate it. Nicola, I can bring up this idea and because I know that because I noticed that for we got few, I'm not sure how many people in this community right now are will like say, enjoy, have better experience if we have a Asian friendly call. But I do believe that if we provide this kind of certain opportunities and we're going to attract more people in this time zone around this area so that to make their life easier. So yeah, that's it. Yeah, I think a very good idea. And I think we can start trying to run for, like, say and see how it works and to see that we can like to attract more people to bring their attention and to make their life easier. Yeah. No, absolutely. It's a great idea. Cool. Thank you for bringing this up, Pegalai. I think it's really good. Yeah, OK, this is this is on my on my list and I will follow up with this. Other than that, OK, as we said, videos are online, so I had to do my intro.  Fred didn't didn't make it. And overall, overall, they were interesting talks. I really recommend for people interested to check out at least the keynotes. There are really interesting things going on there. Everything is there. Just just check it out. And I guess that that's that's more or less on the China updates. The telecom user group was there. A lot of people I met some some people from other communities. Actually, I met. I forgot the name, the guy, the guy from Conti VPP. We had a really interesting chat about how things are going, how we are using VPP. And he also showed some interesting integration with visualization of like, gathering some statistics and data through Prometheus. So. Awesome. So, looking back again, do you know Goliath on the Andromeda release? I did go through this morning and try and clean up the backlog a little bit. So it should be in a little bit better shape if we want to discuss it. Yeah. Okay. So we hit so moving on to the to the Andromeda release. So essentially, we had a we had a chat with Taylor the other day, like in China, we met there. And we had a chat with Taylor. And what we discussed is that we should just like just just just tack whatever we have. I mean, we have moved very far from from that branch point, which was probably more than a month ago. Yeah. It's beginning of July. I guess that we branch sometime in May, I think. In any case, we are very far from this. So, so let's just just just brown. I mean, let's just tack whatever we have there, upload the images to docker hub. So my plan was to actually just archive the our Helm charts and add them as kind of release binaries and maybe get something from the release notes, whatever we have there and just just upload it and just say, okay, that's it. Let's move on to the next release, which I think that it should be the one thing I actually want to try and get done is and I'm very close to going to get done is this cleaning up of the docker repos so that we don't have tags in the production repo. And the patch that I have for this right now goes ahead and pushes the right repos. And then I'm sort of sorting out a couple of issues with the tasks still. But I think I've actually got those sorted. So it was just normal CI instability stuff that I was hitting with this before when I was pushing it to master. Now I'm in the process of getting ready to push it up to the zero dot one branch, which should be very similar. And from there, you know, from the zero dot one branch, then we should be able to, you know, get this all ready. So we got all the pieces pushing out of the repos correctly, etc. So I would like to take one more week to get that done if that's okay. Okay, I was just thinking that maybe with the zero dot one branch, we can just do things by hand. Like just, just talk and, you know, I'm completely fine with you on the doing things by hand. The trick is right now we push every CI tagged binary to. Oh, yeah, I see, I see. Yeah, I mean, I don't expect anything to come there. I mean, I don't expect any further further builds there. But yeah, okay. I mean, if you because I assume that that the current status is that we have moved like your patch should be very far from whatever we have in the release branch. But it's actually shouldn't be hard to backport because it doesn't really do that much. It turns out that part of my confusion was the hooks that I needed to actually point to a particular repo were actually already in place. And so I first tried to reinvent them and then I discovered that by reinventing them, I had broken the ones that were already there, which was amusing. And so now I figured that out and moving forward. Cool. So I think we're more or less in line. Let me get this one last thing done. So we have a clean repo or clean registry. We can stick them in and then I'm perfectly fine pushing the pieces by hand. Okay. Cool. All right. Which brings us around to everyone's favorite topic, the roadmap discussion. And I guess the. I copied it over from the way it was previously. But I think that maybe we can potentially trim some of the pieces going forward and or figure out how to put together a roadmap doc. I know we had a little bit of discussion about this, putting together a roadmap doc on the docs call. And I know that I had. Put together the technology tree, which we looked at and put together a roadmap doc. So I guess the question is, like, Do we want to actually, how do we want to proceed with this? So I can tell you that having something that's clearly articulated.  Help with some of this. I mean, yeah, and I'm dead serious. Like that is literally like my least idea of fun. But I just as someone who's messed around with Istio for quite a while. And I know this is being recorded and I like it. I'm not bashing on him, but the roadmap has always been kind of all over the place. And I'm just like, just, I have felt a lot of pain. Due to their main branch for rarely being stable. Because they constantly have an influx of new features without a very, you know, defined. Clear cut. This is coming here, here, here, you know, we need to be stable by this point. So I think a roadmap where we have like clearly defined goals. And it also means that certain people can kind of pick and choose when and how heavily they get involved based on like feature X is coming, you know, and release Y and et cetera. But I have seen other open source projects kind of fall apart because it's just kind of the wild, wild West as far as feature releases go. And, you know, the roadmap changes because some big new customer comes in and says, Oh, I really want this. And everything else falls by the wayside stuff like that. So I guess the question is, are you aware of any open source projects that do this particularly well? Because, you know, because I mean, well, I would say Kubernetes does a pretty good job of it. Let's say that the Linux kernel does a semi decent job of it, but it literally has like an entire nation's worth of people. So I guess the question is, are you aware of any open source projects that do this particularly well? Because, you know, it does a semi decent job of it, but it literally has like an entire nation's worth of people. Like, you know, writing it. But I mean, yeah, I'll be honest. I mean, in Kubernetes is by no means perfect. But like, if you look at like how they have is like this features in beta, this features in alpha, this one was just released, you know, this is what we're striving for to get released. I mean, do they always hit their objectives? No, but like, you kind of have an idea at least to some degree of what's coming and when, right versus, I don't know, I'm going to go ahead and poop on own app, right? Like, I mean, you have no idea what's going to happen. Like it could, they might like completely rewrite the entire back end one weekend and not tell anybody. I mean, I don't know, like. They've been fairness to own up when you have as many moving parts as they have. Super challenging. Well, and that's, that's what I'm saying, right? It's like that is an example of when the good idea fairy without a clearly defined roadmap can get you in trouble, right? Not having like the proper gates in place. Because own app is cool because it's microservices, right? Well, the problem is, is microservices just keep getting jammed in there and, you know, microservices keep getting changed and there isn't like this really well laid out. And I mean, it's been getting better, but that's, I think Kubernetes is an example of people who do less terribly and own app is an example of where things can go horribly awry. Okay, okay. Is there a particular Kubernetes roadmap document that you could point us to that you particularly like? Because I'm very much in the market for let's find someone who kicks ass and copy them. Yeah, that one. I don't know. I tend to just read the release notes. Also, just so you just for your information, Linux is the largest nation. Kubernetes is the second largest in the open source world. It's the second largest open source community in, in existence at this point. Sure. But like in the case though, Linux is like China and I don't know, Kubernetes is like Belgium. Like it is insane how many people like pull PRs on the kernel. Yeah, that is true. All of the drivers are belonging to them. Cool. All right. So I guess the, the, I wouldn't keep raising this and we'll try and get something pulled together. That we can sort of look at in point two. So if you guys have things that you don't feel are represented in the technology tree, I think it's generally writable. Let's try and get them collected into a picture there. Cause I do know we have some other specs out there. Like the, there's a, there's a spec out there to look at, basically having a selector based on network characteristics rather than just round robin. Just as an example that sort of looking at very interesting things. Cool. Anything else on forward roadmap stuff before we move on? Nope. Maybe, maybe just mentioned that the DNS thing is moving forward. If for people that are not monitoring our PRs, we already have some work done there, which looks very promising. There's, I think also work in progress on the security that's getting very close, which is super exciting. Really? Is there a PR? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. There's a PR. Oh, okay. Yeah. And also the inter domain. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, my understanding is that the, the inter domain stuff is now, it has now been witnessed to be working between packet and AWS, which is super exciting as well. I just want to, I think that I have posted some comments at least on the DNS, maybe the inter domain. Okay. I don't know, but I mean, I just would like to go for, for documentation there. I mean, these are, these are really interesting features. What's of people are going to, to just look at how these things work and want to use them. So we really need the best documentation that we can do while developing it. Yep. I, I, I think that's, yeah. Yeah. I think that's actually probably pretty important to get the documentation right. So yes, let's definitely do that. Especially the DNS, I think people are going to want to understand how it works just because it's important to them security. Likewise, people are going to really, really care because people are going to be taking a look at the security and how it's done. So I don't know if you have seen there was an announcement, I think yesterday. That Lincoln completed a since he has sponsored security audit or something on those lines. So, you know, these things happen and yeah, if we are moving forward, we'll probably have to face this at some point. So, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. If we could, if they, if the list is made public, if we could get a list of that and see if we're making any of the same mistakes. Yep. My guess is from previous dealing with previous security folks. It kind of will probably depend on how serious the problems are when they get made public. Cause I know that typically if you've really screwed up, the nice security people will tap you on the shoulder privately first and give you a chance to fix it. 30 days. Now, the reasons I'm sure are nicer than that, especially since the source of the money probably came from the CNCF. Well, I mean, plus I expect the most CNCF projects behave responsibly. I do spend some of my life hanging out with pen testers. And their basic position is, yes, we give you a deadline. If we actually believe you're moving expeditiously and you say, could I please have 45 days instead? Most pen test, most folks doing security, you know, finding security exploits are going to be pretty kind.  All right, then. So anything else that folks want to cover today? Otherwise I'm inclined to yield back the time. Maybe we should touch briefly on the fact that the use case call is frozen for July. From what I saw. Oh, then we definitely should update this. And we, is that reflected in the use case calls? Meeting notes. So if somebody follows the meeting notes link, they, they know that. I see two links here. So I'm not sure which one is actually. Yeah. So what is a doc? The other is also a doc. So we don't seem to have a link anywhere there to the actual meeting minutes. So let me see if you can find that on the community page. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So. The current community page is just reflecting. Next meeting of June 24th. So if it is going to be on hiatus for July. So we should probably ask Romkey if you would please update the meeting minutes to reflect that. So that people don't just arrive and find an empty room. Cool. Right. Anything else before we conclude. All right. Thank you very much. What you guys next week. Thank you guys.


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Thank you guys crazy Rookie on that Quentin Johnson spellbound is George Kittle to 349 Sean Clifford in 999 That is Devontae Adams again to 375 for the Raiders Josh Jacobs to 399 now He's got to work with me again Christian install is And then you're then you're choosing to spend to hang out with me on Let's just talk to you 74 Yeah, Pashkma homes Purple DK to 49 Stats invented to 999. I know Cedric Tillman to 49 like I've gone through everything. I'm almost through this one. I was gonna say I don't think anything other than Yeah, then 10 bucks easy. It's had even like baseball was all 35 CJ Stroud Garrett Wilson Playmakers Kevin's 99 They said Trenton Simpson to 999 Geron Hall nice one there to 49 for the Vikings turn of the century auto They saw the every time the FedEx drove by they saw Anthony Knocking down another room in his house. So they're like, all right. No, nobody probably lives here. Yeah, clover There's a Jason Whitton to 99 I said up. Sorry gonna have to wait to your trash list tomorrow. We'll try again tomorrow Zay flowers rookie. She said to 99 spellbound is to us today. I swear Devin witherspoon to 399 Oh, no, I don't think we have There's Justin Jefferson, they were withholding the trash was True Brett Farr the Vonte Adams Justin Herbert Justin Jefferson Christian McCaffrey. We had autos Jerron Hall Cedric Tillman Dalton Kincaid Brian Branch Jane and Reed Clayton Tune Brian Branch Dalton Kincaid Jalen Carter Tank Bigsby Tyler Scott and Michael Wilson I'll do it for the break guys. Thanks again for the bill up next number 14 You