everyone. Welcome to Money Talks. I am your host, Shonda Park. And I'd like to thank you for joining us today. April is National Financial Literacy Month. And on my last show, my guest was Rayan Ischevez. So we discussed the importance of financial education. She shared where to get it, how to get it, the importance of choosing to become financially educated, and just using that and applying that in order to build up a strong financial foundation. So I have Rayan Ischevez back in here in the studio today because we went over the layers of the financial foundation. So starting with proper protection and having that protection in case of unforeseen events. And then we moved on to debt management and teaching people that they can get out of debt in half the time or less to become debt-free. And then we moved into emergency funds, the importance of having three to six months of your income if and when some kind of emergency happens. And we touched a little bit about investments. However, we want to really expand on that today because it's such a hot topic. So welcome, Rayan. Welcome back to the show. Hi, Shonda. Always great to see you. Thank you so much for this opportunity again to be on your show. Thank you. I just want to continue with our conversation about financial education from the last time that you were on. And because investment is such a hot topic, and most people will ask, well, where do I invest? How do I invest? Why should I invest? What's your take on that? And how do you answer these questions? Yeah, so that's actually a great one. So if you look at the slide, we do have the financial house that you summarized for us. So again, proper protection.  That's why we always say proper protection, meaning income replacement, right? And then debt management, emergency fund, and investments. And so we actually get that question a lot. Actually, Shonda, it's quite common. People always ask, where should I invest my money, right? And I think when it comes to investments, people always think more specifically about investment vehicles, right? So right now, like the hot topic that you hear people talk about is investing in the stock market, or you hear a lot about cryptocurrency, or that's right. Yeah, that's a new one, right?  So I think a lot of times when people think about investment, which is the last layer of our financial house, they always think about specific types of investments. Whereas, you know, for us, our organization, we really want to focus on again, going back to the financial education, right? Because when we talk about personal finance, it's exactly that. It's personal. So when you ask, why should I invest? Well, everybody has different goals, different objectives for why they're investing, right? And it could be a short term goal, like over the next few years, they want to be able to save for a down payment for their home, they want to buy a car or whatever their or long term goals like retirement, right? So there's different reasons why people want to invest. Now, what we want to share with people is not just thinking about your investment vehicle, but really understanding some of the core concepts that we teach. So if we could have the slides show the wealth formula. So when it comes to investing, I think this is one of the core concepts that we really want people to understand. So when I first found out about the wealth formula, I was like, oh my gosh, there's an actual formula. Like, isn't that great news that there's actually a formula that many of us can follow to be able to build wealth, right? Oh yeah, the children's book. They should create one, put it in a children's book. And that's the first book that we should have our children read when they first start reading. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, like when you look at this formula, right, when something on one of the concepts on a formula is time. So the formula, the wealth formula says, we need to have money, we need to start saving money. And then, of course, time, time can be our best friend, or it can actually be our enemy too, right? Depending on how it's used when it comes to building wealth. And then we look at a positive or negative rate of return. So when we talk about rate of return, we're really talking about interest rate. And the reason why we say positive or negative is because, you know, again, we have to ask ourselves, where are we saving our money? Are we getting a positive return on our money or a negative return on our money? Are we actually making money or losing money, right? And like, and then we have to also factor in inflation, right? So you see minus inflation, minus taxes. And these two, you know, inflation and tax, we can't really control. However, if we understand how it impacts our wealth, we can plan around it, right? I know last time we talked about inflation, right? At the last show, we talked about how high inflation is right now, right? We're at an age of 8.5. Yeah, all time high. And so, you know, I actually just came back from South San Francisco and I thought our gas prices here in Hawaii are pretty high, you know, like upwards like $5 plus. When I was in South San Francisco, actually took a picture of it because I wanted to show everybody, but their gas prices are like $7. And so I know. So, you know, so that again, gives us an idea of inflation. We know that, you know, sometimes goods and services will cost more, which means less purchasing power. So then you can really see how that can really take away from our ability to build wealth if we don't pay attention to it. Because when we look at, well, what's the rate of inflation and are we beating it with the interest rate that we're getting or the rate of return that we're getting on our savings and investments, right? So again, we can't control it, but we can plan around it. And then of course, we talk about taxes too, right? So, you know, we can't control the tax rate to however we can control how our money is taxed, which I know we'll kind of cover a little bit more a little later today. So that's a wealth formula. Awesome. And we both know that money, of course, we have to start there and money and time. So we understand the importance of that. And I started working at a young age, I want to say I was 15 and had I had this wealth formula, maybe my mindset would have been different. I don't know. It's hard to say. I didn't grow up with much. So my very first job being that my parents weren't able to afford a lot of things that I wanted. Of course, they provided for my needs. However, a lot of things that I wanted, they couldn't afford. So when I got my first job, I basically spent all my money because now I was able to afford all the things that I wanted. So I didn't start at a young age because I didn't have this information. So I didn't have that money saved and invested over a long period of time. So what are your thoughts on that?  So you started working in high school. So did I actually started working in high school as well. And I think it's pretty common. People start their first experience of money is earning it through a job. And again, like most people, we don't really grow up with having financial education. And so when you look at those two things on the wealth formula, right, it won't work if you don't have one or the other. So for example, like you said, you started working in high school. Can you imagine, you know, like if so you had, you were young, you had a lot of time to grow and save your money. However, if you're not saving it, then it doesn't work. Exactly. Yes. And I think like for most people, it's kind of the opposite where we think, okay, I'm going to start saving when I pay off my student loans and I pay off all my credit card debt or when the kids are grown up, you know, I can really start to save for an investment for my future. However, now when we look at the wealth formula, we're looking at, okay, well, you know, now we've delayed, right, the time to leverage time to grow our money. Right. And so now what we have to do is we actually have to save more money to catch up. Right. So you can see that one won't work without the other. Right. And then of course, in addition to that, where are you saving your money?  So it's not so much, you know, again, going back to your original question, where or how to start investing. But do we have the basic foundation and money habits to start to move towards building our wealth? Yes, exactly. And moving down in that wealth formula, can you expand on the rate of return? And can you give us an example of how the rate of return impacts your wealth? Yeah, so, you know, the rate of return is a big one. You know, so one of the core concepts that we really want people to understand when it comes to interest rate is actually how your money can double. Right. So if we look at the next slide, there's what we call a rule of 72. So this, this discovery was made by Albert Einstein. So we all know Albert Einstein as a genius. Right. And he actually discovered that if you take the number 72, and divide it by the interest rate, that's how long it will take for your money to double. Right. So when now we talk about understanding how money can work for us, this is really the greatest. This is understanding rule of 72, how interest is compounded. This is how money is working for us. So in this first example, right, 72 divided by 6%, that means that every 12 years, right, our money nearly doubles. Okay. So again, let's say, for example, Shonda, you were, you know, you put away, you earned $10,000 at a summer job, right, in high school. So if we, if we could take you way back in high school again, right, so imagine if you were to save the $10,000 that you earned like in your summer job. Yes. Right. And let's say, let's say even younger than some, you're, you know, I say you're 12 years old, right. So now fast forward 12 years later, I know, younger than high school, right. And for some people, they do start, you know, working. Yes. Yeah, that's right. So let's say 12 years old, 12 years later at 24 years old, your money would double. This is assuming that we don't add any more to it. So now when you look at this, your 10,000 12 years later become 20,000, over 20,000, right. And then another 12 years later, it doubles again. So this is incredible. Again, most times we only know how to make money work for us, but understanding how compound interest and the rule of 72, we can see how money is working for us.  I would say in the bank and, you know, some, sometimes there's people that that's the only place that they save. And even for when they have kids, right, the kids have their huge first birthday party, all the birthdays and Christmases after, and a lot of them, they just saved in the bank. So I was just thinking about this because of the rule of 72 and the interest that, that the bank pays maybe about 0.01, 0.02. But say, you know, just to make it for easy numbers, say the bank pays 1% interest. So it would take that money for the child to double in 72 years. And how many 72 years does a person have, right, to wait for their money to double? Yeah, exactly. Right. So, you know, just understanding this super simple formula, right, we can see now, okay, we can pay a little bit more attention of where we're saving our money. Right. So, you know, if we're only saving in the bank, then we can expect that, okay, every 72 years, our money will double. And so, you know, I would, I always tell people, okay, wherever you're saving your money now, take a look at, well, what interest rate are you earning? Right, because the higher the interest rate you're earning, the faster your money can double. So, like, if you're, if you have, you know, an 8% account, your money will double every nine years.  Right. So, you know, this is, I always tell people, look at where you're saving your money, and then take the rule of 72, and divided by what you're earning. And then you can really see how your money is working for you. So, when you look at the well formula and you plug it in, right, okay, how much money am I saving? How much time do I have to save? And, you know, what kind of return am I getting? Okay, and, you know, and as we know it, yeah, and no, it know exactly how long it will take for your money to double, because that helps people to plan for their retirement. Absolutely. And so, you know, we really want to utilize, you know, these core concepts to apply to our finances, right. And because interest rate is so important, there's other ways that actually where interest rate is involved, right. So, can you think of anywhere else that we have? Yeah, credit card, loans, mortgage, you know, it works the same. I mean, against us in that way, but you can use the rule of 72 to figure out how many years it's going to take for your debt to double, right. And when you talk about interest, you know, you use certain examples of 10%. We would be lucky to find a credit card with a 10% interest. So, we're looking at an average from 18 to 24%, right. How many years would it take for your debt to double if your credit card is at 24%. Yeah. So, you know, 72 divided by 24, that means that every three years, your debt would double, right. So, again, looking at why we say positive or negative rate of return, let's say, you know, you're actually, your debt is earning a higher interest, right, which is really impacting your ability to build wealth, because, you know, all of that, all of your money is going to take forward your interest, right. So, you know, money can work for us, or it can also, or interest rate, I should say, the interest rate, depending on how it's applied, can work for us to help us build our wealth, right, or it can work against us to really deplete our wealth. Yes. So, the next layer, let's talk about inflation in terms of the wealth formula. So, you know, when you look at the wealth formula, right, again, you want to make sure that wherever you're saving your money, you want to make sure you're at least building inflation.  Yeah, that's crazy. So, it's kind of the same thing that can erode our wealth, right, when it comes to having negative, or our rate of return on, it's not our rate of return, actually, we're making others wealthier, right, because the interest rate is being paid somewhere else. But we want to make sure that the interest that we're earning at least, you want to beat inflation, right. So, you can't control it, but we have to be aware of it. We have to understand that it's so important to pay attention to where you're putting your money, because of things like inflation. And so, you know, I just want to give you a quick example too of, you know, really the cost of not being aware of our finances, right. I think I shared with this with you the last time Shonda, you know, I have two very specific client examples that I just want to share. This young lady, very intelligent, very brilliant.  And so, she went to, she ended up going to school in the mainland for one semester. Her initial loan was $10,000, right. And, you know, fast forward. And so, college didn't work out. She only ended up going to school for one semester. And four years later, actually, her student loan debt was close to $30,000 because of the interest that accumulated over time. So, it tripled in four years. Her debt tripled in four years. Yeah. Yes.  Another family, you know, they're in their retirement stage, right. So, they're planning for their, I'm sorry, they just retired.  And so, you know, one of the things that we didn't touch up too much on was estate planning, right. So, when we look at the financial house, again, the bottom layer is proper protection. So, we talked a lot about how we can replace their income. But also, part of that protection is estate planning, being able to protect our assets. And so, when they were doing their estate planning, part of that process was, you know, their title report. So, one of the things that they realized, you know, with, when they pulled their title report was that there was actually a lien on their property, right. So, for debts that they thought were taking care of years ago, you know, because sometimes we do our best, right. We work hard. We save for our future. Sometimes, you know, we come into situations where life happens and, you know, we need a little bit of help. So, they actually went through like a loan modification process. And, and because during that time, they were struggling financially, they hired, you know, a third party company to help them take care of their debts and to modify their, their mortgage loans. So, long story short, what ended up happening was it was not taken care of, you know, and a lien was placed on their property. And, you know, when we talk about being able to protect your assets, if we were not aware of what was happening, they could have gone years and the debt that on this property would have continued to balloon. So, their original debt was about 20,000. And now, a few years later, for about 45,000, right. And so, what I think about their original debt, what year, I would like, how many years ago was that when they ran into trouble? This is about 10 years ago. And they, you're saying that it was a third party company? It was a third party company because they felt like they didn't know what, they didn't know what to do. They didn't know where to go. They didn't have any education, right? What was the advice that was given to them at that time?  Because they were going to handle everything on their end. And so, unfortunately, again, they thought it was taken care of because their credit score is great. They had no issue until we were, they were in their phase of retiring and really doing their estate planning where they found all this out. And thank goodness, you know, now, because they were introduced to our campaign and they understand about being able to protect their assets, right? They started doing that part of the planning and that's where they found out, you know, this was happening with their property. So, can you imagine if, you know, they went years and years and years, they didn't do any proper protection with the state planning.   They're going to live in their home for the rest of their life. So, how much people would actually pull their own title report, right? So, without pulling their title report, they wouldn't have even known that their debt was accumulating. Yes, absolutely. So, you know, that's definitely one thing that we, yeah. So, you know, again, big on financial education and being aware of, you know, really taking a comprehensive look. So, sometimes when it comes to building wealth, it's not just like, oh, I'm going to earn all this interest and make money quick in these types of investments. It's really taking a look at everything. Exactly. And taking a look at everything, but building the wealth formula, let's take a look at that last layer, which is taxes. So, who knows what day today is? Yes, the big day, right? Tax day.  However, you can control how your money is taxed, right? Most of us have tax now accounts, tax later accounts, but most of us do not have tax advantage accounts, right? So, we always tell you, ask people, where do you keep your money and how is it being taxed, right? Because although we cannot control the tax rate, we can control where our money is being taxed, right? Because we all know that tax now, like right around this time, tax season, you know, you've got to submit those forms that you paid taxes on those gains and the tax now counts and then the tax later accounts is basically just before deferring taxes for later. And then your tax advantage is really being able to control the tax rates that you pay now.  I would rather pay taxes on the seeds.  And you know, a lot of the conversations now is, it's not a matter of how high the taxes will go. It's, I mean, or if the taxes will go up or down, it's how high the taxes will go, right? So, you know. So tax, you know, we're not tax advisors. Yeah, but tax advantage basically means possibly never taxed, right, upon distribution. Yes, absolutely. And so, you know, I would encourage everybody, you know, again, we're not tax advisors, but taking a look at how your money is being taxed. And really encourage people to take our workshops. You know, these workshops that we have, which is on the next slide, they're, you know, these resources available for anyone who really want to expand their knowledge in their personal finance, right? So these are some of the topics we cover. And just understanding where your money is going is important so that you can allocate more money to pay down your debt faster and also build, then it kind of has that positive effect, right? Yeah. You can start to build your emergency fund. You can save more for your investments. So these are great resources that we have that we, we just want to share with everybody. Because again, when it comes down to your personal finance, every single one of us has different goals. It's just really understanding what these core concepts are through the workshop to help you really plan so that you can fulfill, you know, your long-term or short-term financial goals. Wonderful. Thank you for sharing all of that. And for everyone that joined us, thank you for joining us. And Reanne's information is going to pop at the end. You can contact Reanne or you can contact me and find out where you can get this education, where you can wear and how you can take these workshops. So please feel free to contact us. And again, thank you for joining us. This is April National Financial Literacy Month with financial education. You can learn how to go from a net worth of zero to millions. Thank you, everyone. We'll see you next month. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn, and donate to us at thinktecawaii.com. Mahalo.


Hey guys, thanks for tuning in for another episode of the warrior dads podcast today. I am really really honored to bring Anthony Johnson on to the warrior dads podcast he has a lot to share he has an amazing story and He is doing some amazing things for guys out there. So You know a couple of the other couple of their guests that I've had No, no Anthony highly highly recommended him So as soon as I started hearing more about him, I knew that he needed to share what he is about to share with you guys today, so Do a quick intro bring him on and be prepared to be blown away CEO founder and architect of the 21 convention and 21 studios as well as the co-founder of the red man group Anthony dream Johnson is the leading force behind the world's first and only Panorama event for life on earth as a man He has been featured on WGN Chicago and in the New York Times number one bestseller the four-hour work week His stated purpose for the work He does is the actualization of the ideal man a purpose that has led him to found and Host the 21 convention across four countries over a 12-year time period The mission of the 21 studios is to create positive media for men and destroy the feminist establishment Please welcome Anthony Johnson Anthony. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast Abbey be here man. Thanks for having me on I've heard a lot of very good things about you from Hunter Drew and football friends Yeah, thank you appreciate that. I'll have to thank them as well Yeah, so let's just jump right in I want to know Well give give everybody a little bit about your backstory But then I want to the first question I want to ask you is just how did you come up with the idea for the 21 convention because I know You were going to college for a little bit It sounds like that didn't work out too well for you. How did you come up with this at such a young age? But then just again briefly so you go through your background Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's really good way to put it to the college bit Yeah way to start so I graduated high school and like put is it I think may something like May 5th or something 2006 and then like a few weeks later. I went to college in Orlando a couple hours from my hometown I went to UCF the college day the big one and within a few weeks of being there. I was taking like summer classes I was in the pickup community at the time the seduction community to pick up artists and stuff And I was posting I was going out as meeting girls getting phone numbers stuff like that trying to get better with the girls You know, that was a problem at that age I didn't like that. I was like, ah, I like girls to get better with them So the community I was involved at that point that was the man is fear essentially, you know that component of it I was posting a lot and one day had this Just mention that what is that? Sure. Well, the man is fear is I think what your podcast would be considered a part of Whether or not you're, you know, explicitly aware of it So the man is fear is kind of a very loose Network and organization of men on the internet and in real life, too with events And that's like basically podcasts YouTube channels websites blogs books Organizations of my company that create media for men that create education for men that create all kinds of podcasts and shows and Content to help men be better men Very loosely speaking and that can be and there's a couple of different tribes within the man is fear The pickup artists community, for example, is one of the oldest that's been around since the 1990s That was made famous in the 2000s by the book the game the New York Times bestseller as well as a TV show and VH one Like 2008 2009 So that's one of the one on tribes another one that's gotten a lot of press over the years is the men's rights activists That's another distinct group in the man is fear. They focus on like men's issues and father's rights and men's rights the criticized are not being very successful at that, but they have been around for a long time and Each one of these tribes in the manuscript the red pill is the one that I'm most involved with now For example, that's another community in the man is fear another tribe each one is you know involves a couple hundred thousand men The red pill for example probably has about four hundred thousand the men's rights is four or five hundred thousand as well Pick up our community is kind of falling apart at this point, but it definitely was the largest you could say it's probably over a million Like guys were actively engaged in that community in that sphere Posting content reading content talking about it or their fans of it, you know stuff like that Being the fourth one that's pretty big is the migtails. We're like very loosely organized They're all over YouTube. They're really dominant on there and different websites and stuff That's a men going their own way if you guys have heard of that or maybe your fans Anyway, that's kind of fear But my foundation in the man is fear was the pickup artist community. I found that in late 2005 I was on the internet.  It was like oh my god. I'm gonna die So I went to Google I went to Google and I was like, you know how to dance at the club or something and through that I found fast seduction one of the main websites for the pickup community back in the day and then I found the man's fear essentially because of that Anyway fast forward to summer 2006 and I'm at college I've been there for a few weeks at this point and I'm you know going out being girls going a few classes I had in the summer and I had this idea to do a meetup group for young men because I was meeting older guys in the pickup community at that time in Orlando. There was like a group of them called top layer and That was very useful, but they were a lot older than me. I was 17 at the time I was about to be 18 in August of that summer, but these guys had the same problems as me But they were like 30 35 40 years old friends of mine to this day in some cases But they were from such a different generation It was hard to relate in a way that was like useful and like level from them So I was like damn what if I did a meetup group of some sort with guys who were like maybe not 17 But we're like 19 20 21 Who are a little bit ahead of me a little bit better with girls and specifically they understood why they were better They weren't like the natural chat thundercock like my local college for like the fraternity or something They just kind of like picked up girls and was good at it and couldn't tell you why Someone who maybe had been in the pickup community for a couple years and had learned the ropes had learned the hard way Had done the hard work had done the approaches had done all the work for it So that those are the kind of guys who wanted to find and I was getting better too I wasn't good at that point But I was able to get phone numbers and dates and stuff like that Which is a lot better than most guys who can't get any of that stuff So I was like if I can beat guys who are a little bit better than me I'll learn from them and then I can teach guys who are at my level or worse and it's a bit They're really you know positive thing So I put that idea out there in a specific form on the mystery method, you know mystery the pickup artists like the famous guy and Young guys when ancient young guys were really excited for it They were very ignored at the time in the pickup community So it's like a niche because it's 17 years old and 18 years old. You don't have any money So these these pickup companies wanted, you know to sell ebooks and DVD courses back then You know 18 year olds weren't buying them because these DVD courses were priced at like $500 and what 18 year old kid It's $500 to drop on a DVD set not that money So yeah, I put this idea out there and it took off like wildfire Calls it caused like a whole uproar very positive energy It almost got shut down by the moderators in the form because it was obviously a commercial thing In a sense if we charge tickets for it, so they weren't kind of I didn't work for them So they're like what the hell how much are the tickets? The tickets to the first event ended up being 40 bucks Yeah, it was pretty cheap and then if you're a Florida resident it was half that it was 20 So it was like really expensive And so I spent check it out So I spent the whole year I so I put that idea out there and some people suggested having a conference room You know hotel have some speakers stuff like that rather than just a meet-up like we're gonna do anyway and we did And that is actually how the formation of the convention really started because my original idea was just a meet-up group It was called the under 21 meet-up that someone suggested turning into some sort of convention with speakers And I was like, oh fuck. Yeah, it sounds like a great idea So it took it took a whole year of planning We did it almost exactly one year later in July of 2007. It was the first event and For a whole year's worth of work. I made about a hundred bucks in profit So average was like a little bit less than ten dollars a month But but you know the fact that we pulled it off I had no money at the time as a kid You know to kind of back that up and we collected cash at the door So there wasn't even tickets online you could buy we just had to take RSVP's or email and then people showed up They bought a ticket and that was it and we had just enough to cover the expenses The hotel room, you know the audio, you know guys stuff like that and then you know made like a hundred bucks So it was kind of a sweet sweet story, but you know razor thin. It was like holy shit, right? Three three less guys would have been short like, you know short money right event And what year was that the first the first event? The first event took place in 2007 July 19th to the 21st 2007 and then what happened from there You had the first event and then did you have a great did you have a good turnout? Feedback, I mean what happened. Yeah, we had excellent turnout We had about eighty one eighty two guys or something like that show up including the speakers with the speakers So it was good and it was interesting because most of the guys who attended were not from Florida Like maybe 30 of them were from Florida the other like 50 like a flood flown in from around the world from Canada Sweden, Australia Oliver just to attend the event not the speakers you're talking about you're talking about the people attending, right? Yeah, I just attend. Yeah, exactly wait some speakers flying to you know from around California and stuff But speed attendees at phone and yeah from Australia No one from a zeal in that year, but Australia Sweden Europe. How did you reach those people? Just the Internet man, it wasn't it wasn't even there was no marketing campaign right like that It wasn't even designed as a business to be honest like now I'm this entrepreneur that I'm known you know known as with three companies and stuff But it was really like a hobby project like I'm gonna build this conference There's no tickets you can buy online. I put together a website that I was paying for at the time personally You know under 21 convention comm we had like a forum people could discuss the event coming up and stuff like that And it wasn't designed as a business though. So actually it's interesting you mentioned what happened. Well the event took place We had it filmed for free. There was a volunteer kind of film crew that put it together very basic stuff But they filmed it and then the attendees were asking me on the way out like on the last day they're like hey when's the next one and It was actually that was the first time by hearing that out loud from somebody asking me that That was the first time I'd even considered doing another one.  I just committed doing another event But you got a whole year to do and so Yeah, exactly exactly and I knew I could at that point because I just done it So it slowly started turning into a business at that point But it wasn't really till 2009 that I officially started taking it more seriously after the second event in 2008 You know same time the year Orlando July But every other one by we kept it, you know Even 2008 we expanded it went from being a two-day conference to a three-day conference and then in 2009 It went from being a three-day conference to a four-day conference in 2010 we took it we held it twice in 2010 and I brought it to Europe for the first time And it was also 2010 that I dropped out of college So I was in college from 2006 to 2010 and then in the early 2010 like January February I had failed how to start a business for the second time in a row and that was the only class I'd ever failed that was the name of a class or college That was the name of the class swear to God. I failed it twice in a row how to start a business I was the only student both semesters to actually have a business or ever own one in the first place I was in the school paper repeatedly for this kind of stuff in Orlando because it's pretty big All that all that stuff and yet I failed that class and that was kind of a calling card that you know I don't belong here like there's something really wrong with this is like out of a movie some shit You mean you mean like having successful business Yeah, exactly. I was like I'm not I'm not learning anything like it's it's a waste of time Obviously, I don't need it to run a business and I wasn't studying anything other than entrepreneurship that even interested me Entrepreneurship was a minor and the the kind of course track I had and obviously that was a huge interest to me But the class was really frustrating because it was all like bureaucratic bullshit And it was it was distracting because even to the extent it was bureaucratic bullshit like I'm managing just navigating government stuff I was like It would always let me think about my own business. So I couldn't stay focused on actual course content.  I still want to Wow So I was like, but anyway, I dropped out No, no, I went to all my classes. Yeah, it was really rare. I miss a class for any class in college. I'm really Like you like you mentioned we're talking about before we went live here I'm dedication like when I make a choice and something I commit to it I go all in balls deep no condom like I commit to it and Unless then until I need to pull out Kind of pun intended I guess But in this in this case, I've been in college for four years and I was committed to being in it I was just starting to realize I'm like, this is not I have to make a different choice I have to get out of this like I have to go focus on what's important to me and what was important was the convention was the company that was being built and Expanding it and so in 2010 people had been encouraging me to bring it to California to New York Outside of Florida and I was the guy that sounds boring like that's still in America like I love America I love this country, but you can get on a flight a domestic flight and fly to Orlando It's it's like one of the top convention cities in the world So what's the point of doing it in New York? Like the same people are gonna go to it. I do Florida pretty much So I decided to bring it to Europe So in 2010 I dropped out of college and within the three months we built the convention in Sweden Stockholm, Sweden for the first time first time doing outside of Florida and Never mind like another I never even been to Europe at that point as a kid I went briefly to Paris but other than that I never traveled like seriously abroad like that never mind bringing my business to A country like that. How did you facilitate that? So that was how did you I mean what connections did you have over there or what what made you pick Stockholm? I knew what I knew one guy in Europe and he lived in Stockholm. He was a he was a speaker in 2008 So he had attended in 2007 from Sweden and he was one of those guys and then he had spoken in 2008 And then I realized and I wanted to bring it to Europe. I was like well There's only one human being I know in Europe and that is this guy down So I'm gonna go to Sweden looked fine, too It didn't look like it was a problem people suggested London of course, which we did later We did two events in London in 2011 and 2012 but off the bat I was like, I don't want to go to this continent where I don't know anybody, but this guy know this guy I've known for a couple years now He's very supportive of the convention. Obviously he had spoken at it and stuff I was again, we're gonna go there. They speak English would it be fun and the woman are really hot here and sure as hell They were like there's Stockholm as amazing woman So and yeah, I just I pulled it off dedication, man. It was really hard Lot of really a lot of night sweats a lot of tears man a lot of crazy I should and you're are you doing all this by yourself or you had Some other friends or partners that you kind of picked up along the way or is this is just all you All that complete so complete solo loan wolf. Do you like working like that? Yeah Yeah, but the company now is becoming so big that it's no longer really an option to do it I mean, I still like that's my preferred way to work is like it's low and wolf like go to work One-man army, but the company has gotten so big that's no longer like possible. I think over the past will be 18 months It's really become it's just grown like big time. I have about 10 guys that work for me now at any given time We're doing three events again this year and the company last year did like 10 million views across YouTube and other platforms and stuff More actually if you count the order and stuff So yeah, it's getting pretty wild. It's pretty awesome. Congratulations. So you mentioned 2010 in Stockholm, right? But you also have kind of another interesting Story around 2010. So I mean it sounds awesome at this point, right? I mean you're already Yeah, done a couple conventions now in the United States and now you're like thinking bigger and you're saying I know someone in Stockholm I want to bring it to Europe but Tell people about the other interesting thing that started happened in 2010 where you know, you had 23 cents in your account and And and oh, yeah, so that was where it was I guess in your mind looking back and reflecting where was the disconnector? Why why did all that need to happen in your life at that particular at that particular moment? Sure, so I think I was part of me just growing up and becoming a man I mean I was 21 years old at that point. I think right. Yeah, I was turning 21 that year or the year before Yeah, I was 21 at that point So going to Europe I mean that was I dropped out of college went to Europe pretty fast Like I had already been thinking about going to Europe anyway and doing the convention there We've been talking about it being some of the speakers and stuff But dropping out of college and failing that course that which led me to me dropping out. It was again seems to happen So I guess there was some emotional trauma with that I've been in college for four years and leaving college was like a big deal It wasn't like a huge deal like someone who had been really taking it You know super seriously like in a medical or like law degree track or something But leaving it was a big deal. I got a lot of heat from my parents for it You know and friends are really concerned and stuff like that So I had to go against the grain like a few people were supportive the speakers obviously and like a few friends But mostly people were very skeptical Obviously, this is risky. I have been doing the convention for a couple years at that point But it was a local thing. It was Orlando and the people flying to it But yeah doing two events in one year.   So it's pretty fast. That's in July, right? It was July. Yeah, that's quick Yeah, so what we were seeing those kind of what you're getting at I think is that the company was never designed as a business. There was never a business plan It was literally not intended to be a business It was a hobby project the first one in the first year of kind of setting it up, you know, and all that And I was very young too. Of course, I had no very little education and stuff I failed how to start a business literally twice I had no other real, you know, entrepreneurial experience. I had a small company I was a kid like detail cars, but it was just like a side thing I did So yeah, it was all it was all running gun learning it on my own and had no one working with me So I think what you saw in 2010 is we were beginning I was beginning to Understand the fact that it was a business. I had actually incorporated it that year in January, you know, an LLC in Florida And I guess I was coming to the reality the fact that there was never a business plan for it for how to monetize it properly Like we had a ticket to fund the events But the the company was becoming bigger than the events That's I think that's the real the root answer of what you're asking is that the event the company started as the event Those were the one and the same and as time went on you saw kind of the beginning of 21 studios at this point in terms of conceptually So now it was a company that was putting on multiple events per year And I wanted to do two again in 2011 which we ended up doing So it was the accumulation of content the accumulation of these videos The web properties the websites Learning how to monetize the videos make money often to support the company and turn a profit and keep it healthy 2010 was the turning point I'd say between the event and the media organization that you see now 21 studios I do consider the founding 21 studios to be july 2006 when I started organizing the first event but 2010 is where It started kind of forming in my mind that I was running a media company and an events company Not just a singular event that kept repeating itself over time And that had that had consequences and that had cost and that's why later that year I was broke as shit Uh, you know, I think it was October. I had like 23 cents. I bank account I had pretty much nowhere to sleep almost and no nothing to eat and I had no money And the business account too like negative $200 in it So really I had less than 23 cents. I had like negative money that we said nowhere to sleep. Where were you sleeping? I ended up I ended up renting a space at a friend's house temporarily like on his couch basically for two months Okay in Rolando. Yeah Yeah, so and my parents were still a couple hours away, but that house they were getting foreclosed on as well due to the housing bust and all that shit So it was pretty it was pretty uh Pretty intense stuff. Yeah being that I was like 22 that point 21 Yeah, it was 22. How about the money that you had previously made on the events in the us and then stock on Uh, man events are a tough businessman.  He's very similar So uh, no events do they they often lose money like they lose money or break even walking Um, yeah, dude, I think I think people probably look at them in a different way They're probably thinking to myself they're probably thinking to themselves like well, you know, I paid You know, I paid x amount of dollars to be here and they're looking around the room You know, it's like what people do at a wedding. You know what I mean?   But but people do that and it's like, you know, they think all right Well, you know, I paid like 300 bucks to be here or a thousand dollars to be here And like how many seats are here roughly, you know, I'd be like 400 people here They're like, man, they must be cleaning up, you know Yeah, it's sometimes it's like that rarely isn't like that And the only time it's usually like that is when you start an event for the first time Sometimes you have like an initial like we had that in the beginning like initial like high turnout And that was why the event was able to pull off with the small profit Even though the pricing was like way too low, for example, we should have charged a lot more even the first year But we didn't I didn't know any better at the time But yeah, events events have an incredible amount of cost from insurance to security to filming to photography to audio to staff I don't even pay myself honestly. I still I still don't pay myself Um, I've never paid myself to do a conference in 12 years. I just do them for free I'll work 20 plus hours a day at the conference Before the event leading up to it during the event and then after the event I'm we're talking like a couple days here at a time. I'll work 20 plus hours a day But I'll get I'll get one hour of sleep at night That's one of the one of the reasons the speakers respect me so much like Hunter, for example, and George Bruno They see what I go through to pull this off at times and I don't have to work that hard at this point But I do because I'm dedicated as fuck to the bone for it And I'm dedicated to making it the best event and the best experience and the best product possible And that's everything so I will go even if I don't need to I will go above and beyond.  So it's really important to me Hang on I'm gonna move into another room here My sister's getting back. I gotta still lives with me. Okay Yeah, that's awesome. You guys are so close. Um Yeah, I have two sisters the other one's pregnant. So I'm gonna be an uncle. Nice. Congratulations Apparently Yeah, yeah Wow, okay, so so you're so you're having a hard time trying to find place to sleep and You're you got a little bit of money in the bank account and You just finished. Oh, you said this was in october. So you just finished Um, yeah, another one another event. So you just got finished doing two events one in stock home one in florida like back to back months So, where do you go from there? I mean, what what's what was the turning point for you?  Or maybe it wasn't even the event that propelled you into you know, the next thing. Yeah So a couple things, uh, I was so broke. I couldn't eat so I had to uh, call my mom up and ask her for 20 bucks Just like, you know, send me in my bank account And thankfully she did and I was able to buy eggs and cheese that week and then drink like tap water You said she was going through like survive and that That 20 bucks is probably a lot to her Yep, and I could have if she wasn't the only person the world could ask for 20 bucks from I had other friends Of course, I could ask but I'll try to keep it, you know private I don't like dumping that kind of stuff off with my friends unless I'm actually gonna like starve In this case, I called her up and it worked out pretty quick.  I can't even feed myself with 20 21 years old or 20 at that point So I did that and then I got a temporary job Working part-time at hh greg cell TVs. I worked there for like six weeks in the winter They're out they're out of business now ironically and I'm still in business Along yeah, I'll look I actually worked for I worked for circuit city when I was a teenager and then sears and then hh greg All three of now with your bank. Yeah, I used to work at circuit city in college And then there you go and then a little out of college too Yeah, what's up, so I got work there the Uh, well in circuit city I started off in merch and then I moved to TVs and laptops and stuff I did I did TVs Uh, computers. Yeah, and then I was the uh The pog for a little while the merchandising manager So it sounds like almost like the exact same thing That's funny.  I had a good time. Yeah Um, so I did that though and so the six I'd worked there for six weeks And I told them I was gonna leave like january second or third or something like that And they didn't really believe me and then sure as shit. I was like, all right I'm gonna leave now and like wait what you're serious. I'm like, yeah, like I don't I don't have time to work here like I see this amount of money like I told you So they were they're actually very surprised. They thought I made up like running a business and stuff And I was like no like at night. I was still working on the business I'd work during the day there and then in the evenings or you know, whatever I'm a free time I still work five six seven hours a day in the business constantly. I'm just like a machine man Like I just keep going I'm really really driven for you know what I love and what I care about Um, so I worked there for a few weeks that got me a couple thousand dollars in cash I was able to save up And through that I was able to put together the footage from the events in 2010 on the dvds And put them into dvd packs then sell them out of Orlando like drop shipping And we sold a lot of this is going to sound ridiculous in 2019 But we sold a lot of dvds in early 2011 Particularly I put like together a health and fitness pack for some of our health and fitness speakers that were huge at the time And that sold like dozens and dozens and dozens of copies The pack and these packs were like a hundred bucks a pop So for the first time in the history of the company, we're starting to make actual legitimate money off the videos Whereas before they just been free they've been free to the world Um, which attracted attendees, you know, I kind of get tech conference We put the videos out for free and it would bring in attendees, but that wasn't really enough That was barely enough to fund the events never mind Then how do you run the company the rest of the year? How do you run the websites? How do I how do I feed myself work in 10 hours a day on this company? Sure of hours a day And you know, although all the how do I do the video editing who might get paid to do that? I can't do all that with that much footage. It's crazy So, uh, the dvds set. Yeah, that's kind of that was the first our first real successful crack At monetizing the videos and it went pretty well. That's obviously, you know, long gone now I still live in my garage some of the old ones, but Just a memorabilia But yeah, that was 2011 was a good good time for dvds probably the last hurrah You could probably sell dvds on the internet And went great and that was able to then, you know Pay off all the little debts we have video and stuff that was able to get me back on my feet And I moved back down to my hometown temporarily for a few months there And I started putting together the next events. We had two more events then we had in 2011 We had the first one in london that was in june 2011 Kind of repeating the previous year of sweden orlando And then we had another event in orlando and I think that was in july or august It's kind of kind of similar timelines 20 time Now is it a lot more it was offensive to do The convention over in london.  So you're doing the orlando the orlando one There's less cost even just for you to get to and from the event itself, you know But going to london and having everybody else go there or you know, any your shipwork group or anything Is it a lot less money than just doing the orlando one or? Yeah, I'll put it this way It's not necessarily more expensive to do the events internationally But the potential is there massively if you don't cover your ass with it Okay So back then for example, we weren't paying speakers yet in terms of paying their travel expenses Sometimes you would sometimes you wouldn't and for the international events I'd have to be like, hey, like I'm not going to cover your I'm not going to cover it So if you want to speak you're welcome to speak, but you know, you get all the benefits out of doing that But I for this event, I'm not going to cover your flight and hotel or I'll cover up to $300 of it or so So you typically pay for the speakers to come to your events? At this point, yeah, I don't why don't pay them they're not paid a fee Kind of like ted ted doesn't pay any other speakers ever.  Oh, wow. So, yeah, that's what we do at this point Cool. Yeah Um, so that's so 2011 that's what happened and then after the 2011 convention I met this sweet little redhead off plenty of fish the first someone I met off the internet And that ended up being a prostitute that I married Sort of I've heard about this interesting marriage story. You have to you have to tell me this this is And everybody let's try to summarize it. Yeah, it's a summarize it because I know it was a little bit of a lengthy span probably like you knew her from For like five five years like that right like give or take but Almost almost five years. So for the people listening Hopefully you're sitting down or doing something where you're not going to fall over but this I got to hear this story So, yeah, if anybody wants the full version two you can just go to youtube and type marrying medusa and you'll pull up the speech marrying medusa Marry me. Yeah, it's very clever, right? It's a two hour. It's almost two hour presentation. It's got like almost 400 000 views or something And you can watch it for free and all that stuff So basically I met this girl Plenty of fish.  I was old school kind of pick a bar So I got the bars and the beach and like malls and stuff and I just meet girls Now wherever and then I talked to them get a phone number or whatever I'm going to do it So online dating then still had kind of a stigma to it and I was like, ah, it's for fags Like I'm a you know, the man. I'm I got me girls like old school Well, one of her speakers gave a presentation on it and it was pretty good And I knew this guy was like pretty legit. I was like if he can do it. I can give it a shot I'm just being subburner being closed-minded, right? So I did and immediately I banged two girls off of it.  This guy's cleaning up Because it was literally back to back. It was like one night and then the next night.     Yeah, dr. Kovorkin stuff or lorraine lorraine a pop it. Yeah Yeah, it's not always violent. It's not always like that You know next level but the well It's not always like violent like that, but the intensity is always the same So it might be something crazy like encouraging some boyfriend to kill himself Or in my case, it might be like rampant cheating and prostitution That was like very well hidden and you know a lot of dedication kind of like me For her craft and what you wanted to do The core of borderline personality disorder too is fear of abandonment So think about it in terms of a girl who was like really really really bad daddy issues And is really afraid of getting abandoned By any man she dates like it doesn't matter what the personality traits of the guy are what his history is It's all about her and her issues that are, you know, however long they're dating back to and whatever that stuff Anyway, uh, me and this girl dated for, you know, two and a half years We ended up getting what's called like a private marriage something that something kind of made up My history in the pickup community and kind of the fall out of that Seeing that the guys that coming into it the guys that were older 40 45 50 getting divorced Getting divorced raped really That committed the pickup community and made sure these horror stories of going through the court system and stuff like that Child custody battles alimony all the stuff and they'd scream like never get married never get married And the way I interpreted it. I was like well I didn't really grasp the entirety of it at the time But even at like 21 22 years old I was like well the there's definitely a point here Like there's something really wrong with the way the law system is working with this the courts Like all these dudes come in and these these horror stories are legitimate And like why are they getting treated this way? And then I found the men's rights community at the time too, which kind of doubled down on that That family law is broken marriage laws are retarded. They are biased against men So I was with this girl and I wanted to build a family with her And I was like, well, how am I going to do that because I don't want to get legally married It seems like a really bad idea like no benefits all risk just stupid in terms of a business contract if you look at it like that I was like, well, what if we get all the mechanics and the function are you looking at just the state of Florida? All over America really all over the west. I think it's like But yeah, so we were living in Florida at the time we ended up getting married sort of married in Nevada in Las Vegas. Ha ha That was actually like my idea Yeah Anyway, um So basically what we ended up doing the private marriage. I kind of made it up It was like, look, we're not going to get a marriage license. I'm never going to legally marry you But uh, we're gonna have a wedding in Vegas. Our family's gonna come out, which they did both of them We're gonna have honeymoon in Hawaii, which we did for like a week Uh, we traded rings obviously in vows and then she took my last name She went to the courthouse, uh, a little bit after we got married and then changed her last name to mine So most of the mechanics of marriage minus, uh, actually getting married and then being unhooked for that shit And I looked up laws on like Kamala marriage and stuff like that, which were no longer in effect in Florida and Nevada So I was pretty I knew I was worried about that and it looks like I kind of just went through the motions of what a Quote-unquote marriage would look like but then it's not necessarily legally recognized by the state Exactly exactly which to which the pickup community in the men's rights. That's how I interpreted it at that age I was like, what's the primary problem of this? I was like, it seems to be that once you get the government involved you're fucked Or the minute there's the minute there's a problem you're screwed And that's so that's I even on a personal level I was like, why I'm the king of my castle like I'm the man of this house We're living at why do I want to invite the government into my home in my relationship and the family I want to build Unless there's a problem Like it just seemed it just seemed like a really bad idea like what is the purpose of this? Right on purpose It is nothing for me.  So No, they had no idea Nope Nope I mean they probably knew she was like a rampant cheater from past relationships and stuff But the prostitution I don't think she held that really tight to the vest Like she was very very not about that being public And you mentioned she wasn't like some kind of like corner girl She was just like a higher end escort or something like that, right or yeah She called herself a high-end high-end call girl Call girl And now we actually when we're talking about it. I was like see your prostitute and she's like no, I'm high and call girl See your prostitute Like what are you talking about? Yeah, the hamster right hamsters is endlessly spinning its wheels So anyway, that little slip though is what I told a friend about that He was a lot more experienced the woman than me at the time And he's like, yeah I've given me rampant cheating and the fact that she ever did that means she probably never stopped He's like you need to look into it and what you're probably gonna find is that she's been doing it for a long time And within 24 hours We had like a shared phone account So I went through our phone records like like on our phone account And I immediately found like escort services and shit like that And that was like during the marriage and the relationship and stuff.  I mean I'm most like thinking like I was Tested or something like that. I mean well, dude, this was like I found this. Yeah, exactly.  They didn't base it off of our story They might as well.  I mean first of all, I was really worried that I had a disease So I went got a full panel test and I found out a couple days later that I was clean I was like in tears Literally like in tears. I was like, oh my god. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how to be emotional. I don't know how either crazy Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's nuts. I mean because you think the odds um well against you Yeah, I don't I still don't really know what the answer is because we had a we hope that we had sex like every day for years I had made a commitment to myself before I'd even met her I was like, I don't ever want to be in a relationship I'm not having sex every day because I was like, I just don't that doesn't sound healthy and I don't want to do that So that was kind of the kind of the uh, the operating mode of the relationship Like we're gonna bang pretty much every day and we did for like four and a half years every day, um Almost every day. Yeah, like five seven days a week. Uh, sometimes more, you know, in your 20s like that Still still going strong at 30 Strong But this this chick too would be considered like some people say they suggest i'm hypersexual I'm actually very skeptical that I think being a young man like you're super horny all the time. It's pretty normal Yeah, I mean if you're if you've got chicks are very sexual testosterone level and you're taking care of yourself and Eating some good food and you know moving your body and stuff like that.     That was June 2016 And I decided to give a presentation on that experience because people at the convention knew her They were actually expecting her to be at the event and they were like, hey, where's your wife at?  I didn't talk about it much at that point I've been very pretty tight-lipped about it And then we filmed it and then later that year I put that out marrying the do some how to survive the female psychopath And that's gone viral, you know, it's done pretty well. It's still good viewed every day by hundreds of people thousands sometimes So And that's that that's uh, I've been single now. Yeah, I mean how many years ago was that? She never did you guys break up. What year was that? Uh, almost exactly three years ago the three year mark was a couple weeks ago or something February 2016. Oh, yeah So just a couple weeks ago Yep, I've been doing pretty well since then I've been Finding the red polka minvi really up to my game level so to speak my ability to succeed with women And uh, that was a major turning point because before I found the red polka community and that that whole community and that concept Um, I had been pretty successful with girls from the pickup community, but it was mostly Just picking them up And then obviously had that relationship was fucking bizarre But my real success was very limited.  I just understood how to pick them up at a bar or something Or like the beach or whatever So the red pill was the beginning in 2016 when I found the rational male the worker role to mossy And I found the red pill community That I'd seen before because they liked their videos They would send traffic to some of our speeches the pickup stuff because like oh, this is a good speech And they would say oh, it's not red pill, but it's pretty good for these reasons It's got good knowledge in it So I'd seen that community, but I didn't understand what the hell they were doing I just thought it was like a random kind of men's group. I was like I was some subreddit cool But anyway, that was the beginning in 2016 when I found that community when I found the rational male of understanding women More comprehensively and more fundamentally And that that then has elevated my ability to interact with women Um, I just banged in a girl last night a fresh single mom off instagram. It's pretty awesome. Just what last night Just banged a fresh single mom I go through phases of banging like different categories of women Single moms are some of my favorites. They're like really wild and sexual I find And then uh, and very dangerous too like I have two friends very now getting wrecked by single moms Just like roped into these like toxic or decent relationships. It's horrible So you're just so you're not looking for relationship then you're just more looking for like from the pickup artist perspective It's just like, you know, no, I'm definitely I'm definitely in the lookout I mean, I definitely want to build a family in my 30s and 40s I don't know when that's going to start though The slim pickings in terms of like decent women that are don't that don't have like a huge laundry list of daddy issues and problems and trauma Most girls now that you meet in america and stuff at least from my experience. I've met thousands and thousands It's pretty bad. I think um, in fact, I'm starting a convention in 2020 called the 22 convention make women great again Because I think that women need positive media and they need leadership and they don't have it In the meantime through feminism and stuff. They are just wrecking themselves And a lot of that damage is irreversible So I don't know how much of it can be fixed, but I think gen z can be kind of saved Or at least steered in a more positive direction and give them an opportunity to make better choices Whereas millennials and gen x girls have just totally gone off the rails like just what do you think the biggest What do you think the biggest attributing factors to that is or what's the what's the best way to combat that? Uh, so the contributing factor why that's happened That's a good question. I would say it's a it's actually a combination of a few things So I would just say the toxic ideology and a hate movement of feminism. I think it's really inspired girls and women to have Uh, I mean hate men, you know very bluntly, but also have very Uh distrust men to distrust masculinity like positive masculinity Not just the nice stuff not just dad pushing his little daughter into swing set But an alpha father, uh husband a man who is a man for himself Uh, who doesn't just do what his wife wants and his or whatever right his girlfriend wants and it's some little bitch But leads his own life and leads his family So but on top of that it's other stuff too. I think birth control For for now, you know in the 1960s or whatever birth control came out Uh for women, I think unilateral birth control for only their sex. There isn't like a real male equivalent yet There's only those condoms and stuff and you know pulling out Um, I think that has kind of shifted the sexual marketplace in favor of women too strongly And that's why you see them now just soaking up all its attention on the internet and all this stuff And just getting out of control, uh, the way dating has changed sexual marketplace all that But I'd say it's definitely multifactorial. It's you know feminism It's waves of this toxic crap that they're led to believe all these These they're like really bad ideas and like, you know memes and stuff they're into They're these like little truisms strong independent women should like that And then on top of that you just have uh They use the technology and you have uh more specific technology like birth control I think was a huge factor of it And now women I think have really fallen Men have too in a way, but we're doing something about it Men are more keen to self-improvement Your podcast is an example that the men in the audience you have and then the manosphere which has millions of men in it And that's been around since the 90s men have been taking it upon themselves to understand what's happening with feminism Understand what's happening with culture and then how to improve it How to improve themselves Um, that answer your question.  Yeah, like how to combat that. I mean how to It's tough Yeah, so people people think it's like a stunt sometimes that I want to destroy feminism And then I think I can do that for the next 30 years But to me it is possible and it can be done Uh greater challenges have been met the the foundation the building of this country the creation of it was a good example that but uh with feminism Uh, one of my methods is you have to drown them in media So you have to win the kind of information war and the culture war You have to do that through everything that you can quantity of content Podcasts videos conferences books all that stuff blogs So quantity and then quality quality is something I'm huge on I'm proud that 21 studios is like the most advanced media organization The manosphere and the best the content we put out the videos are like top notch every time. It's really nice stuff Yeah, I've seen that production quality. It's really good audio Thank you. Thank you. And it's a priority for me to do that. Like I work hard on it. It's a major we spend a huge amount of money doing that So and then humor entertainment stories passion emotion intensity dedication My speech about what happened with my wife is an example that max wife Uh, that was a very raw speech Uh, no pun intended on that But you'll see that when we put when people watch it like it's even right off the bat the opening of it's like You know just triggers a shit out of people But it's all real it's all real and it's a really savage stuff But you're not used to seeing in public people keep this kind of stuff private I'm like, nope. We're gonna talk about it I just I just I just like you don't want to see where where is that win-win? You know, where is the where we're both playing?  You know, I mean, we're all here We're supposed to you know care for mother earth She cares for us It's like why why is there have to be this this tension and yeah, I mean so, you know You mentioned you mentioned birth control anything that starts to play around with hormonal levels because in my coaching Um, not just working with men but also working with women I've actually had to recommend that my some of my clients go off of birth control And the way that their body changes the hormonal changes that happen are for the better But sometimes it's a little bit of a roller coaster while their hormones are starting to normalize. So Anytime you play around with the hormonal system Or the nervous system or anything like that whether it's through food that we're eating water that we're drinking Anything that we're consuming and then of course pills medications That can wreak havoc on The body the mind etc. So I really I really like what you said about that But it's just you know, like with the feminism and you know I don't feel like you know, we have to Push women down and push men down and you know, try to we should just be building each other up all of us You know, I mean because well feminism believe I agree with you but feminism is the exact opposite of that They think that for women to win men have to lose Uh almost explicitly at times if not outright, they say something similar to that some approximation to that So feminism is the you know, for example, there is no female equivalent of a hemisphere There is no loose body of networks and blogs and stuff that are creating positive content for women positive media positive education None of that the only thing you have is very negative stuff You have the Oprah Winfrey bullshit and I it's not even Oprah. It's specifically it's like the whole The view and all this like all this crap with the magazines and stuff Is that I mean, I don't really watch that kind of stuff. So I'm just I'm just ignorant to that right now Just because of like, you know, not knowing but is a lot of that considered negative Really? Oh, totally in my opinion. Yeah, 100 because I've never really watched over But I mean I really love people, you know, of course women love Oprah and you know, apparently she's Supposed to be empowering. I'm not mistaken things like that, but I just that's the first time I've ever heard It kind of being like referred to negative Oh, it's to me, it's extremely negative.   I mean you can there's so many things when we get passports. It's just insane The idea that we still have a functioning patriarchy in america is delusional That's been gone for decades upon decades upon decades I'm I'm actually starting to rebuild the patriarchy So to speak in florida the conference coming up in may in spring So the idea that we have this, you know, I mean, they'll use donald trump for example the president as uh, You know, he's the patriarch that's bullshit Uh, it was her turn, right?  It's all delusional contradictory nonsense Yeah, and it's it's it's real it's real toxic and there is no positive voice woman right now There's very little that here outside of maybe their community and their family and stuff and their religion or something Maybe and even that's going out the window So what I want to do with 22 convention in 2020 It's going to be the mansplaining event of the century. It's going to be 100 male speakers from 21 convention the man's sphere Hunter will be there. I'll be there. I roll to mossy a lot of our guys And it's going to be convention for women how to make women great again. No women speakers Zero Yeah, we're going to invite a lot of female speakers to be like the IP attendees uh, christina hoff summers, maybe uh, jenice flaming flamenco. I forget how to say her last name There's a couple of female speakers I like that criticize feminism that I'll invite to attend and see what it's about But we're intending I think given the state that women Find themselves in and the state of the gender war we call it in the culture right now in the west I think men need to stand up and speak to women about these issues exclusively And maybe in the future we'll create a conference for women with women speakers, but that's not what this conference is This is a conference for women by men It's the things uh that you know, your father didn't tell you that your father should have taught you Or your grandfather, perhaps or that your mother failed to teach you So we're going to try to help women become more beautiful more healthy more fit and undo the feminist brainwashing They've been taught as normal for decades. I like that That's awesome. I I never heard of genuinely never heard of anything like that before So it's probably safe to say that this is literally And I don't usually like the word literally because some people just use it Very loosely, but literally this is probably the first event like this ever You know, definitely. Um, that's amazing I love it. We're actually kind of worried that it's going to get protested and shit So I'm going to figure out we always hide that we we do a lot of with security and privacy at the events For example, the venue is hidden. Let's see by ticket for like, you know, a thousand dollars or whatever Um, but even that we're still kind of worried that this event's going to get picketed and protested by feminists and shit Hey, man, they say that there is no we'll figure it out.  I mean, hey, you know what at the end of the day It's the intention Right and if you and you just said it right there, you're you're trying to help women Feel be more beautiful be healthier More fit and if this convention and the speakers and their message and things like that can do that and it can You know help to you know empower them or fill the gap wherever it may be. Yeah Well, I think the gap that they lack is they lack leadership And that's why you don't see a female equivalent of the man's sphere Where there's like very genuine self-improvement for women going on that doesn't exist And this this conference one of the core intentions is to reach gen z girls Eventually, right as they go on youtube and stuff we put the videos out and then reach millions of them Hopefully but also it's to provide leadership. I think women at the end of the day They have to take care of their own stuff. We can't fix them only they can fix themselves But to do that I think they need leadership and they need like a match they need like a kick start to do it And that's that's the intention behind the 22 convention You know, I don't know what it's like to be a woman. I have no idea. I've never been a woman. I never will be a woman But I can look I can observe and be honest about what I see And so can our speakers and we can speak raw truth about what women are going to do with that And I think it's I think it's worth mentioning that It's not just women and and maybe younger women I don't know if you're specifically targeting younger women because of like you were saying that gen Gen Z is it Yeah, yeah, I'm just not convinced older women like say a 33 year old millennial woman I'm not convinced that her capacity I'm not convinced of the probability of her changing the course of her life and improving her life. It's possible But it typically doesn't happen. Right. And uh I'm not that confident it will I hope so. I hope they do like, you know, I hope to god that they do But I'm just I'm more I'm more concerned about girls who haven't done the damage yet at 18 19 20 That are going to go into the 20s and it's probably slotted up on tender and shit if they don't take a different Yeah, and I like I was saying say though, I think it's really important to mention that if this isn't just You know, obviously you've been doing this for men since You know 2006 You know, so it's like yeah Men need this too, you know, so that's like the clear message and hopefully Because I do have female clients that listen to this podcast actually too, um, you know And thank you to everybody who listens to this podcast But the thing is is that you know men need this too We're talking about the leadership and you're talking about the role models and you're talking about this young guys need this too You know me because you're looking at I mean, and this is oh, yeah We could do a whole other podcast episode on this, you know You know the the the examples that these young guys are getting and then you know What social media is doing so you're mentioning like tinder and youtube and all the stuff Just what social media is doing to Our younger generation and you know, I have a six year old son And it's just like I'm trying to teach him this kind of stuff and like what the danger is potentially could be And why instead of just saying no giving him a reason and helping him to actually connect A good reason that he can see I was like, okay. Well, this can affect me in this way So he's not just saying no just to be an asshole dad He's just saying he's giving me context and giving me a reason And I think that's really important with anything whether it's with Food or activity getting them to invest in the why and the reason behind it is so imperative And 100 100,000 percent agree.  It's just the times and we just just leadership is something that's needed It's always been needed, but it's just lacking and then Same with everything. You know, I mean just Yeah, and so people criticize me like why don't why do you do a convention and call make men great again? It's like well, yeah, you're doing that and doing that. Yeah, it's just a tire What's just marketing, you know, I mean like it doesn't matter what the hell the name of the event's called It's the purpose and it's the intention of the event of what you're trying to do and you've been doing that So like would that make people happy? I mean just have someone attend one of your events You could you could basically call that where you don't have to call it anything And they just show up and the message is there already Well, the name the name is a placeholder and it has you're right It's it's not the fun. The name is not fundamental, but the name is still important because it encompasses like what we're trying to do So the 22 convention, for example, that's not super important But it is obviously a playoff that we already do And then I also think about it kind of like dna I see x y and then x x 21 22. I'm like, all right close enough something interesting But then also make one the great again I think that's a very good thrust that women need Obviously, there's playoff political, you know movements right now in the country. That's fun It's not like a really it's not a political event But uh, I think it's a good thrust and it's very it's very challenging and very triggering I get I get positive feedback from both Hillary voters and Trump voters with that I wear the hat actually that says make them a great again I get some negative feedback too, but mostly it's just positive and curiosity. Well, you know Because they don't they don't know what to make of it, you know A lot of people don't do In my opinion a lot of people don't do enough work on themselves and checking the ego and and and really Really coming to terms with your ego in most cases Is some of the most challenging work that you could probably do on yourself But it's some of the most important work too because if you can set your ego aside and look at What the event or whatever we're talking about could actually do for you the potential benefits instead of just you know Judging it right away and then just having your ego jump right in and puff out your chest It's like just if you can let that go for a second and you can see really what could how could this could benefit you Well women right now, I think in America in the west, they're very They've been trained to have a major reaction to any kind of male criticism including constructive constructive criticism So for example, one of our speakers about a week ago, AJ Cortez He put out a tweet on how to be a beautiful woman And it was a 12 kind of a 10 or a 12 point checklist just some basic things like be feminine be graceful You know being good shape Listen to men love men like really ordinary stuff And it went super viral and triggered like this army of feminists It's got it hit it's so far done over 55 million impressions on twitter What was the main argument why you're a man telling me how to be beautiful? Yeah, they just went apeshit. Yeah, exactly.   It's delusional nonsense.   It's just like, you know That's the most controversial thing. He said he said he said we're pink and feminine colors.     It's horrible. It's gotta end Yeah, well, dude, you're doing you're doing an amazing job of trying to end it. So I had hats off to you and um Yeah, I really appreciate you coming on the show But as with every interview, we just have to end with 10 questions And these these questions were inspired by James Lipton and Benarpaville And um, I've already kind of given you the rundown. So you ready? Yeah, you'll see what I can do Who is your hero? Is it toss up between steve jobs and iron ran?  I love it. What turns you off? feminism What is your favorite sound? uh Man, I don't know. I don't usually think about stuff like uh sensory stuff like that Maybe uh, something with nature either something in nature like being out in like a park or something to real quiet Or a woman moaning or something like something like that some combination of those two things. I guess they're both nature Yeah, exactly. There you go. What is your least favorite sound? uh Probably nails on a zipper or like that kind of I don't know what to call it Something with nails and like not a chalkboard, but something similar What is your favorite quote or saying? I have a lot one of my favorite ones recently. I found this from martin luther and that is a piece of possible truth at all cost I found that a few months ago and uh, I really love that and that's that's really Uh fundamental to what I do with my company and how I operate. That's nice. I like that too Now I know you don't have any children, but You work with a lot of men And with the work that you're doing in a couple words What should a dad be? A dad should be a man above all and he should be a man for himself And through that he should lead his family Uh, his wife or the mother of his children and then his children by extension But he is a man above all and a man first then the father then the husband But a man above all and in a couple words, what should the dad not be He should not be a woman.  He needs to teach his children to uh embrace their own nature as a male or female nice If you could try any other profession, what would it be? I have no idea. I don't really plan. This is what I love men. This is all I do Because my only job real job as an adult has been the ceo of this company And it's hard to envision doing anything else. I love it that much. Okay And finally, what would you like to be remembered for Anthony? Never compromise That's what goes in my tombstone. Never compromise. Nice Anthony tell everybody where they can find out a little bit more about you and 21 studios, etc Sure, there's a couple main websites they can check out The first one is going to be youtube.com slash 21 So it's youtube.com slash 21 that'll pull up 21 studios on youtube We're about to break 200 000 subscribers any week now The second most important website they can check is the 21 convention dot org That's the 21 convention dot org That is our main event or website for events We have three events this year in 2019 that spring summer and fall And then we have at least one or two planned for 2020 And finally they can follow me on twitter at beach muscles That is beach like going to the beach muscles And then instagram is the same thing beach muscles 65 at the end of it 65 And that's it. I love having you on. I really appreciate you taking the time. I truly do And uh I hope maybe we could do it round two at some point later on down the road or something like that I love it. This has been awesome. This has been great. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah Cool All right. Bye youtube


Meantime, the President of the One Love Foundation, Patrick Eholo, has appeared to President Mohamed Buhari and the Senate to add the women's bill into law as a way to make them feel very important in the society as they have a good number of votes across the country. Eholo, in an interview with Delta State Correspondents noted that women should be given 50% of leadership positions as what men can do, women can do it better. He has to remember for something, and I'm glad he signed into law, but the assistance, the little process, the things that I should have hoped and think that the President would have done for us would have include the women. The women are not inclusive, you know. I mean, it's been said so many times that we are giving them a share of 35%. Which of course I frown at because whatever a man can do, a woman can do better. They should have given the women 50-50. But not ascending to the bill for the women, I think it's ridiculous. I think the women should fight for it. I think they should put pressure on the further hands of the Senate and the further hands of the Assembly.  People can have an authority to contest a legion in many of the positions.