Let's introduce Leonard Rodriguez, our president and the CEO, introducing the stage. Thank you. Leonard, most of y'all I've met before, for those of you who have not, I apologize, I really should get to know as many of y'all as I can for opportunities like this to help create an environment. As Colton said, if you're not familiar with us, we are non-profit, CWHC, and really what we do is we help here in the West Side to promote economic development for developers, for existing businesses, but we also work very closely with the community that resides and lives in the West Side and we like to think that the majority of the work that we do is to benefit the citizens who live in our community today, not those who may live here tomorrow. But we are always positive to know what the future might look like and that's a little bit about what today's presentation is. So we have three real agenda items, one is the 2017 bond, which ensures a lot of y'all are hearing about. We have our presentation on a Fredericksburg Road corridor study, and then we have an opportunity to get some additional input. With the 2017... Did I just click it? Okay. So with the 2017 bond, so you know from the WBC's perspective, we as an organization are submitting suggestions to the city for bond consideration. Within our 15 square mile area, we're looking at different corridors in different areas, but obviously one that has been important to us since before, even I came on board, but that's continued on with Councilman Bernal and how Councilman Trevino is lower Fredericksburg Road. So this is one of the recommendations that we're going to be making to the city in terms of bond request funding. And there's been some words that's already has occurred on this. This is the 2017 Frederick Road request, and as of the current, the WBC is supportive of these ideas here. We wanted to open it up either now or again to find out if there's anything else, is this on one side or two sides? It's on the other side. If there's anything else that we should include in our recommendation to the city for Frederick Road, most of what you read here has been a community input process. I believe this is a recommendation letter from the Frederick Coordinating Committee, and so we want to make sure that we work hard in that process and have an opportunity to include for voice any other ideas or suggestions. They included things like narrowing the roadway from four lanes to two, restore parallel parking on the street, wind to the sidewalks, very utility lines, more acquisition of land for parking, increased bicycle infrastructure, and then obviously the trailway activities at Martinez Creek, Arizona, and into the wind on Lake Area. So we'll ask this question again and again after we present to you some of the findings from our Frederick Road study. I think all this is meant to do is really lay it on, lay it in. The understanding that we now have of the community, probably a lot of it is inherent, but I think it's good to point it out and back up on what y'all may think and what y'all may feel is happening in the community with their facts and statistics. And then at the end, I think given the information that we present, will it change any of what y'all are willing to achieve with the improvement of the corridor? So just talking about bullet points on understanding what our corridor study was, I believe it, what was the amount we paid on the corridor study on the update? On the update it was $16,000. So it was a $16,000 corridor study and we did request in that corridor study of our library a specific focus on the Frederick Road area because we were, we've been involved in doing some work there already. So what we learned is that the potential market that could drive development on Frederick Road is much broader than the immediate neighborhood. Okay, so we've been thinking or thinking that this is just really all about Frederick Road and the surrounding ceremony or surrounding areas. The, it's much larger than that. And so that brings another dynamic to the picture. The corridor group capture and benefit development activities are easy to follow, haven't you? And again, I think it's a pretty obvious question. We've got highways that serve as barriers to access. So that was taken into account through the corridor study because we're dealing with different income pockets, different, different browser slots as well. So one of the interesting things, and I know you're right here at five points behind the epicenter for the study, is that there's a tremendous amount of pedestrian access all within a 15-minute walk. So depending on what part of Frederick Road you're on, lower Frederick Road, you're really 15 minutes from being in some key areas of the town. So the accessibility is already evident, but this also gives an idea of the real market potential that we're looking at demographically, economically as it relates to Frederick Road. At a 15-walk walk, walking out, you know, there are some other areas of the town that start bleeding and see development. So population-wise, the areas will remain relatively stable over the last five years. However there is an expected experience to see some growth in the next few years. So the take-home from this is that the existing community is aging. It's not getting younger, it's actually getting old. And this needs to be taken into account because of the things that are happening on Frederick Road as well as the development. So we asked the question, how will Frederick Road support an aging population? It's an important question.  The older and a capital improvement should focus on dealing with an older population. I think that's a pretty straightforward thing, but it's worth saying, and it came out in our research, so it's a benefit for everybody who might have noticed. This one is also pretty interesting. As you look at the educational attainment within the study area, someone lower than the city-wide trends, this also raises a certain degree of impact to the area. We don't quite have the professional class that we're looking for because maybe perhaps people thought we were actually moving into the area. We still have some educational struggles, and this all impacts the surrounding areas. So education is kind of a key, because it relates to economics and having a vibrant core or where you have a community to have a disposable income. You don't have a community that has a disposable income. You're not going to have a very vibrant core. So there's somewhat of a correlation here just to keep an eye on. There's a lot of y'all know how school districts perform, often relate to where people decide to move and raise their kids. So there is some education challenges that they face. The household income is about half that of the city average. I think this has to do with the educational attainment in the area. So because we have a certain level of spending income, it's going to affect the type of businesses that are visible and are going to have a certain amount of success. At least immediately until the quarter develops, it can attract people from other parts of town. This is, I think, what we were discussing in kind of our analysis, is that we have to really build a local ice corridor that does support the existing community and if it's built locally, then hopefully it will grow to where it has enough appeal to attract other individuals from different parts of the city to experience the local forward that is spread around. I'll take questions at the end if that's okay. So in that sense, I know what we're saying here. So with the lower median household income, it's going to affect the type of businesses that are going to be most viable and have no success on their food. Okay. Some more of the demographics in terms of household disposable income. You'll see less than $15,000 off the chart. Basically, it's a curve for a linear chart that goes from being quite low, moderate income, not a lot of high income in those areas. One idea would be, you know, as you look at the development, there's diversity of restaurants, retail, and services that speak to all income brackets. And I think that's kind of a no-brainer, but as you're thinking about your corridor, your personal business, thinking about the income that's in the area that people have to track a lot of those business decisions. Those are the messages. Great. Now, these next particular slides, we found pretty interesting in that detail gaps that are found in the area where we have some leakage. These such examples as automotive dealers, furniture stores, electricity, appliance stores, clothing and clothing accessories stores and department stores. Really, aside from probably the automotive and the furniture, there's not a lot of this unless it's secondhand or vintage or antique or whatever it may be, where we'll see in the following slide we have an excess of those businesses. So, from a standpoint, the corridor is going to support these types of stores. And this is where we have leakage in terms of accessibility to the existing community. So, these are where the retail gaps exist. And you may or may not like your retail gaps, but it is a reality of the area. Now, where we have retail oversaturation, and this may not be happy for some of y'all, is in the following business, home furniture stores, beer and wine and liquor stores, the nail salons and hair salons, gasoline stations, used merchandise and food and bars. So, these are the businesses we've got too many of them. And so, it's a really interesting mix when you think about the corridor you have, the corridor you want, and then later in the existing demographics, as well as what our setting is telling us. And so, what we kind of took from an initial analysis of this, and we haven't completed it at all, is that, you know, credit loans are a much bigger community than we think. That, you know, we need to look at things in terms of providing opportunity to deal with the local community, the local audience. And we really focus on a strong, locally-focused forward. We can see the business development to attract more money into the credit loan forward and outside our immediate area. And so, this is more or less the findings of our study. This was completed by Steve Niven with St. Mary's University. And, again, you know, our work was providing the economic study to the corridor work that's already been done, presenting this information to y'all, for y'all to take into account and really tell us from what you've seen and what you know where our, you know, where we have additional suggestions for bond improvements. But aside from that, there's a lot of work that the WEDC can do to help steer the corridor in a certain direction. And if that direction is to provide businesses that cater to the local community and what the local community is looking for, that's where we as an organization will come in and lend our technical assistance, our loan products, our grant products that's developing those businesses along the way. So, we don't have anything else in terms of presentation. We did want to have a community dialogue really regarding this layer of information because most of y'all have been involved in the community planning and making the recommendations to the city on the bond that we would like to see. Those are things that we are not in charge of. We can simply be supportive towards and that's work that the city will ultimately undertake. We simply act as a lobbying vehicle to encourage that this is the right way this has all been done. We can point to the number of activities that are happening in the community and hopefully it will end up with a couple of million dollars going to improve the corridor and hopefully that will generate the interest to see the corridor develop. Yes? I was involved several years ago in an exercise similar to this along Toledo Road and at that time one of the leaders of that initiative close to St. Mary's described their corridor as tires, tacos, transmissions and tax places that lend you money face to find a pipe and they want to get away from that. Well I think we have the same danger here and we don't need a quarantine corridor and when you look at what you call oversaturation I mean those are in narrow bands we don't have restaurants or neighborhood bars that stay open after 2.30 in the afternoon. There's a few bars but they're not what you call negative bars. So I really wouldn't put that in a saturation category and the term leakage I'm not familiar with it in the way that you used it which I guess is this is where you lack things. I don't want to be kind of a stripper party. Sure, we understand that and I should also point out that that analysis was not just done on the corridor itself. Elements of that exist on the corridor but it was looking at the entire 15 square not the 15 square mile but basically that larger area in that presentation basically the target zone that can further support Fred Rowe if it has the right to make a business stand. I think you're going to have part-time attracting anyone near the corridor when they've got everything on the wrong way around the corridor. And the point about the corridor is that this corridor lends itself to attract individuals as far as we call them. So it's not that we're looking to the most part we look at individuals that live in the community if they're not doing all their business right now on Fred Rowe which you really can't do at all and they're going to other parts of town to finish that off. What we're saying is you have the opportunity on the corridor to attract those people from other areas of town within a 15 to 30 minute proximity into our corridor and spend their dollars. Okay for your bond question did you want to stick on the bond a lot of those leakage things are things that people buy along now Sure. They don't go to brick and mortar stores to buy to buy stuff like that. That's very true but it's still the reality that it's leakage in the community. What does that mean? You don't have complete access to those items. It's not really enough. You don't have a computer or what? No, the ability to go to walk out and buy and see a best buy an electronic store. I understand that I'm not saying that you or you don't what I'm saying is that your community does not have access to those other communities. Yes, I don't People buy just on me now. Sure, go ahead. It seems like the study kind of is what it is, what's the best way to translate it from what you have to move forward to move forward both with potential infrastructure as well as the buildings and the space. So part of our exercise that we're finishing this out is one we want to be supportive of the threat road, coordinated committees from the letter to the city with respect to what it desires for the 2017 fund. If there's any questions. That was a negative association one. Yeah. Okay, well that was what I said from the threat road for me. Well, I'm not submitting the bottom of the question in general. I'll take the name specifically. There's a third or fourth road in our development committee. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm aware of that. And then I, some sort of amorphous community driven threat road Yeah, there is. Okay, a bond suggestion with the 80s population I'm one of those. We need ADA pedestrian I saw the bicycle, I saw the car I saw the parking but we need a lot more ADA pedestrian accessibility off both on the quarter as crosswalks marked and with more time on the button if you cross or French more time on the cross it and that's something that can't be done. So we'll note that one. So the second thing we wanted to do is I will be supportive of that request is make sure that there's any other request at the WBC to the table through our letters for we want to do that as well. Okay. And then the last the last piece is to your question is really looking at this data and later to the desires and wants of what the area of community is. So having this meeting and getting that input is part of that process really the next step that we're going to do is kind of later in look at the availability of real estate that we know exists and seeing what is that and if you're saying and I'm just using this as an example but if you're saying we want Fred Road to be an entertainment local cool shopping venue with some bars then do you have the real estate to support all that? And that's part of the exercise as well. Then you start to figure out what businesses that the community would like to see where can they go and that's how we see trying to attract then those businesses to look at the forward. You got to be able to support the forward with the right demographics to bring those types of businesses in depending on what they are and you're going to have individuals like you know Max who have a certain vibe for the forward are going to go in and try to open up something that speaks to what they're hearing from the community. So the process which Norma probably the most difficult because you have everybody has a different idea of what they would pull to it what they'd like to see on the forward. We look at the bond projects like so people can see what it looks like and can we maybe get these guys up to the front of the room so that we can see what's being noted and how that might be easier for them. Thank you. Honestly I have a quick question because we came in a little bit late how far over are you at all when you say this right forward or can you bring up the parameters again of where is that including all of the back up district area. So this is lower Fred this is from basically I tend to downtown. But it looks like it's up to like that you're basing all these numbers on because you described how far easy it was I didn't know how far it was So this is 10 This is this is downtown So the study what the study is saying is that it's not this it's Fred room it really is so what is the authority to boundary yeah what is that oh no boundary where people call them oh oh I'm sorry are you going to go to the branch we live on yeah I think it's probably the same and it's my mind that moves them five miles out five miles from where right this should say a better far okay so north so this is a better here they like a whole area so you're counting Cypress is a part of the president yeah Cypress would be in there they don't need it the thing that we're moving the most easily is because Starbucks comes in and they want to have their store like everybody recognizes in the image but it's sort of death mask of the building before it on and that has been better in San Antonio too bigger bigger prices than that that's really a huge and I just think this is just a really good place to stand after those people we should be thinking of San Antonio in all of this when we're working for the San Antonio has a unique culture and the culture is inside the loop and it's kind of going along the same line as this lady's talking about and I don't know if it can be done in a bond or anything like that but it needs to be looked at as to how to maintain that culture and part of what I think is also kind of strange to me is the demographic part and when people talk about the demographics and wanting to bring people in and the situation that's happening throughout the neighborhood of whether you have seen it or not the prices of everything going up I think there's got to be some sort of focus on those demographics on not pushing out the people that you're saying you seem to be saying they can't afford to provide what is needed to have a vital corridor and so what I'm going to be compelled so one of our biggest goals is to maintain the diversity which I hate the word diversity but that means all levels of income and that's what makes San Antonio so unique that's why people move their initial I guess people are going to be moving in that may not understand that so it's up to us to try to make that happen and I'm not saying I know how to do it but we're not getting support from the from city council from the San Antonio governing people are thinking only of density but we also are for maintaining diversity sure and all in exchange that with respect to demographics you know it's an aging population and if you want to preserve that then what you develop along the corridor should cater to that local community well I mean if you don't then basically you let the corridor develop in such a manner that's just going to further drive out the existing residents you see it on Perl, you see it in Southtown it's development that's not taking into account the existing citizens and residents who live in those areas well what about the people that move into this because they don't know where they should have people with specials don't need you part of the issue that you come in you're coming from the perspective of the disposable income as you say equals by the corridor so you know based on that analysis that's what we're looking at and of course that's a very important point there part of the issue I have a hard time understanding is that this is a linear corridor but the analysis takes a point on the corridor and that point just coincidentally is sort of in the middle but that happens to actually be the circle that would have the least inclusion of income areas if you drew it further to the east you get more money on the eastern side if you drew it further north you'd whip in all the neighborhoods going to the north and the west for higher income so it's kind of given that a lot of the places on the corridor that have existing infrastructure that could be potentially used for the kinds of purposes of business a lot of these are on the northern end of the corridor anyway so just curious why is it at a pinpoint as opposed to a linear corridor can we actually ask them to actually ask them to do it as it's quite normal with these types of studies that affect neighborhoods to go out in circles or in walking distances to show what the spending power could be or could not be the information that you're seeing is for it's for information for this is what it looks like this doesn't mean the economy is forever so you guys also got knowledge too that you're helping businesses and stuff what you're talking about Fred Rowe, that's not what it looks like now because you've taken the bottom of Fred Rowe the very bottom, actually the start you've taken the start of Fred Rowe you called that lower Fred Rowe when it goes all the way up to 10 if you want to call from 10 there so you move it up closer to Blanco and now you're closer to the center of the Fred Rowe quarter if we're talking about the Fred Rowe quarter I don't disagree with that at all it's age point you get that point and you can make arguments on the why you do this I think what Steve did was a point where there is activity represents a node probably the biggest node I think on the lower Fred Rowe the data you start with and start working on makes a huge difference sure but you're going to have the Congress argument at any point you take not that you're going to call it Fred Rowe I'm seeing of the points of Fred Rowe Fred Rowe it's basically looking at the five point node but Steve the fact that it's almost the beginning of Fred what's called Fred Rowe and what he's saying is you skewed the whole thing down the place of your starting point it needs to be further to the northwest that is the midpoint of what is actually Fred Rowe or this study or not this study before so you skewed it but we have to work with how they got necessarily because I think they started with a presumption that they wanted to go to I-35 and go to 10 and then they chose a midpoint that gave them that range so I think they started with an error in mind because what is the center of is the blank row the blank row Fred or this will be actually we're sending French I think you're right it seems like some facts are along this corridor which to me is from I-10 down to I-35 including North Florida this is where the vitalization is happening already young people are coming in and building a building you can see in this room as well as in I-35 so that's a demographic right there but the fact is young people are going to build before their own future as both people are going to be getting another rank huh let's take a look Fred Rowe here and it goes to Flores right here Flores and you would say it goes down this way so that's not the center it makes a huge difference on the data that the city starts with on what you're right but what really matters is what people are doing on the ground we saw a commotion of people all over town people around people from literally like every city I'm running an international hospital I've got people coming from either side of the plan in the afternoon she's right after 2.30 there's nothing to be on the head of the meeting for a couple of years ago there's some neighborhood folks who have been living here in a barn and welcome them back to the side finally I had some interest in the outside of the corridor and he also got some of all these other videos that you think it failed so this is the developer of the barn I was opposed to the demolition that's been afraid of me and he all got started but once it happened there's no use trying to try to go over what we need to do what do you want for making this thing we want to preserve the architecture which is what was found here and that none of us can do without the power of the license effect that's what we need the city to tell if anyone's going to give us a chance just to tell me that it's a very good question sure can you speak to the economic potential on the list of factors that he's suggested in terms of what the improvements were when you were speaking to him why there were these things that were in it this is an analysis based on just macro numbers you have certain numbers curious if there's a way to assess given these factors will that be in macro a lot of it has to do with at least on the connectivity side certainly there would be an enhancement to any of these parallel parking narrowing the lanes bearing the utility lines would just further attract businesses to come and relocate or locate on the road I think I've got a little something to offer it's a different direction something to think about that I'm not seeing in the presentation at a very fundamental level part of what you're talking about is injecting more life into this corridor turning this corridor into something that supports the life that people want is that fair? so pulling away from details I'm fairly new to the city but I've driven up and down this way a few times especially right here there is no life this corridor does not support life it supports industry trees and big buildings and industry nothing that's for people big wide roads I see you have narrowed the roads down but I think part of this conversation needs to be what do you want the environment to be like which is more than architecture that's the landscaping that's exactly so I think at a fundamental level again in order for people to want to inject their life into something there has to be life there already and that's something that the city can provide is some turn some of this into a park space plant some trees that looks hot out there it is hot out there things start to change when the scale of the neighborhood changes and there's trees and things on the other side of the road so I think having a conversation about what life could look like in this corridor and to create the environment that you want will inform what sort of businesses want to be in that sort of environment so I know the architects were working with the federal coordinate committee have done some renderings of what some of the improvements and well, pocket parts is not on there and we think that would make tremendous sense for this corridor the trees and what not and obviously but on those improvements including, you know, bringing life to the more well, when you go into this corridor we've got the same people talking you know what I mean happy and recognizing the first person to have where can we get a copy of the study do we have a copy of that available on the website or do you have a copy of the website you can get it on our website who did the study, Steve Nippin who's Steve Nippin and that's in the information on the page oh wait a sec, do you want to give that to me do you write it on our agenda for me it's westside dvd corpcrq.com oh, it's on the bottom of that old paper I gave it to you this morning well, the study that we're going to see on the website includes the recommendations that they made apparently, we're talking about first grade road, widening the sidewalks 492 underground utilities do they identify what areas how far, as they mentioned does it go up to Woodland to build a brand so basically to be from the downtown where Craig Road starts this is right here to the highway at 235 to town, I'm sorry to town and then we know that Councilman Medina is picking up the northern and so our idea is to put them both together with both council members supporting can you add one thing on the item list and grab the mid-sized grocery store there's a lot of convenience stores in the area and there is no mid-sized store there's H&E in stores that's all there is but not close by though a mid-sized grocery store would be nice I want to also say that the research fund is unique here by the architecture there's some very difficult information about people who are there I think that could be made in the center but the buildings themselves have influence on the building to ensure that they're going to do it and maybe they could be made enough in it up there's also a little pop-up of the this day this park has a sculpture they call it a sculpture something like that here we have the the streets I'm making a parallel parking that when doing workshop I live right there the traffic backs up too much they really used some parking because there was the restaurant that was open at night the city didn't let it open up we don't know what happened with that it was then that they set everything up and we went from there from the 5th to 9th I think it was the parking mission and I think that that parking was in the one an ordinance for the city to have some the rest of the a lot of people could walk there or walk along the streets that was a shame to do that I also want to say there are two buildings the one building the new episode of the school the part about Ashby and the third world it's a big deal for Boston and then there's also a theater so there's it's starting it needs a big push I'm going to add another number I'm going to take one in three a lot of youth in the neighborhood record stores it's going to be targeted to the people around you're like playing down the importance of youth and it's going to have an educational argument they should be a big consideration I'd like to say the demographics so long I think that this neighborhood I believe the culture today is exclusive of everything and it's 8 to 80 it's 8 months to 80 here so we have older people and there's more younger people moving in we have older people I don't think it has to be either war and the same with the income this neighborhood is very welcome to all I think it's a vital it has to stay open the market today is true you have to have a certain market to have people be able to buy your products but we want to stay open it's not just we'll kill the neighborhood and bring in the business it's bringing the business that helps keep this a vital part of it I think that's so important it's not an either or there's a question over there I see all the items you have on the screen there they also seem pretty decent street parallel parking widening the sidewalks bicycle infrastructure shared service parking but there's one item on there that I think is going to just be potentially destroy all your attention that's the first one narrow roadway from 4 lanes to 2 why was that suggested can't get all the rest without that the buildings well here's the drawback you narrow that roadway from 4 lanes to 2 you're going to create traffic jams traffic jams and consequently if people have to drive in a traffic jam they're not going to come by or we're going to need more bars they're not going to come by over here and you will not stop with your mission of getting more people to be attracted to this area and participate in it et cetera et cetera I'm sorry that's just what happens it will not work if you keep it at 4 lanes it's already pretty jammed on the busy circumstances today you need to calm like I say you need to keep it at 4 lanes if you do what you can, widen the sidewalks or if there is room for some small parallel parking fine but if you narrow those lanes except they're very soon and they will not help you with the revitalization that you wanted Hi my name is Alex my wife is Jen and we have a genus we have a genus we build custom diapers we build farm style tables from all of it we have everything that we need most of our business is done online that's where our business comes from we don't have a lot of walking custom diapers for just your regular business however our revenue is very high and we moved to this area in January because when we went to look for a location that fit our needs we wanted something that the facade, the buildings and the architecture would entice our customers to make our customers feel welcome when they came and so we chose this building the blue side of it right here and one of the things that our customers are telling us when they come is that the area surrounding it is scared that whether they come from this way or whether they come from San Pedro until they actually get to the property here they're frightened by the way the place looks you know and they get over that by coming and seeing it but again when we set out we bring, I don't know if all of our I don't know how taxes work, sales tax but if our sales tax that we contribute goes to this area right here we're doing the part I can tell you that and we wouldn't be here at this building if it looked the plan to just the architecture the money that the owner of this building put into the outside of this place so if you're wanting to bring new business here we do have a couple customers clients that came from the Meek and Hilaria that have our dining rooms in their homes but we're drawing our customers and clients from the Hill Country from Austin, from Dallas from all of the surrounding areas of San Antonio and if you're wanting other places other businesses to open up in this area and for it to come alive you've got to do something with just the way this place looks as individual owners of property down this corridor cleaning it up and then down here we've got homeless people drug addicts all over the streets I know that has to do with there's some homeless shelters in the area but that should look as well in this area I'm really going to entice people like myself and my wife for doing our business here if we have people handling all of them on the street and the bus stop and things like that so that should definitely look just like the appearance of other areas and we do appreciate being welcome to this area and we are very happy to be here so we'll go to the next one Yes, I saw a man alleviating himself as I was driving in front of everybody on the road One thing I wanted to say about the narrowing of the street if you widen it before four lanes will be built up and then you're going to need to widen it to six and then you're going to need to widen it to eight that never stops the widening there's a lot of new research on traffic studies and it's down to narrow streets not to keep adding more lanes because I just think the level of cost you know we've seen this gentleman was mentioning on you know we do narrow the streets we've also seen narrowing the streets narrowing the streets the impact that it can have you know it's a process if you're successful they do decide to narrow the streets the construction is going to be another issue of every business or if you want to deal with you know these are all parts of that process in consideration you know in the end we're really supporting and we want to be supporting the work that's been transpiring on developing Frederick Road you know we want to be basically amplify the voice of the community and make sure that we've heard everybody's input and we have it all together and we make that request we think with the WDC support behind our request and the way we work with our council members that we have a capacity to bring development success to these areas of town that have been looking for and desiring them in one way some of the things that you brought up you know maybe that's why Steve Dimmitt decided on the pinpoint closer to the downtown floor seeing that you know we're going to be focused along the city their focus is all downtown and I think that's pretty evident so anything we can believe from the downtown floor that leverages the development that's happening in the downtown area I think Frederick Road meets that requirement the same way Broadway has met that requirement that's just off the top of my head because I do agree with your point I mean I'm not saying you're wrong at all you changed the plot point it does change the demographics I don't think that they changed too much from the middle from where it's at to if you move into the middle perhaps if you move into that far more thin you could the other thing I want to mention is if this is successful it's coming together as a community even further and you can take it the next level and we could work with Frederick Road businesses to establish basically a public improvement district there's all different types without enabling your tax dollars incentives to go directly to and only improvements on your quarter a certain set amount and that can be made available to you there's also I don't know if this is being evaluated to the Westside Churs or not but you can look at that as well and that's a tax free investment tax income free investment so where figuring out whose district it is what churs it could be in and that would make itself available to continue to bring improvements would you do it first? yeah yes my name's Johnny my wife and I own a business on build-in I wanted to speak to that four lane issue and traffic speed we've been on build-in almost 10 years we have a large retail operation and we have people now that say they've been patrolling us for years and we're very glad it stopped in and we asked them why didn't it stop as soon as they say because I just feel like I'm on a freeway the traffic goes so fast and it's hard to notice you guys it's hard to take time to slow down and enjoy a part of participating and taking businesses along the side so it's kind of a chicken and egg thing you've got traffic and people treat this way too much like a connector to get downtown quickly the benefit of that is people can see new things going on over here but they're not paying attention to the large part of the issue they don't care about what's going on on either side of them anyway so if you can find a balance with curb bump-outs traffic slowing where you get people that will still treat it as a way to get 4.8.b but also serve the neighborhood of the business community by slowing that down and people do begin to notice what's going on even if it's a vacant building that's the opportunity that they're not going to notice when they were driven by at 44 miles per hour just the way they treat it now a great entry building you got to do it the study already complete but it's still going to do input the Steve Bivens portion of the study is complete the analysis that we will do with the community is still ongoing but that'll wrap up in a minute and you're asking to check and see like everybody said 4.8 to 2 is going to cause traffic jams but if they learn things you're going through 3 where you've got always the two outside names only coming but in the morning everything's coming in in the afternoon everything's going out now if you solve that by having the parallel parking the fourth lane parallel parking so in the mornings nothing Houston does this now where you've got a question of hurricane traffic now that from 4.8 to 2.3 the outside names are going coming and the inside name changes and you can still have parking in one lane and again that's not nothing for me to say yeah we're doing that it's really going to be y'all's input what works by the time the city's bought into it they're going to be the ones making these presentations to do all of what's potentially possible what's just not yeah I was wondering if the WPC has examples of other places in San Antonio where you have a historic area like this where there's a lot of transportation challenges because it seems like that the issue with the street is that the sidewalks are so narrow that you walk out of one of these businesses and you're basically walking into a street at relatively high speed sometimes high volume kind of road and the other issue is a little bumpy because this area was a partial area before cars were built so you know it took the sidewalk by the time you took out these people other examples elsewhere in San Antonio you need conditions to help bridge the gap between kind of a generic the one that we've been looking at is not exactly the same but it has a lot of the same potential and features is basically the segment of Broadway from Hildebrand to Austin you've got a little more deep space on the parking but your street space is still about the same where they've gone they've gone to two two lanes and they've got that center median it's five total but they've got the center median that's not always a complete lane and the only thing we're looking at that is just looking at the dead speed and the lack of apartment I think it operates much like you said evening hours it's a traffic jam okay but it's a slow and a quarter development of that you have people visiting all those businesses along with it's wider but what we were looking at is if you look at what they've done without any enough real estate can we do it with the wider way that we've got enough street and sidewalks it's probably one of the places we've started to look to see how what about the west side no and that's just from getting the infrastructure though it's not looking at the demographics of spending money or anything that's what I'm wondering about the demographics of areas similar to this neighborhood that you know would the infrastructure improve and help spur and encourage people to want to be here if we had places where people could walk to the businesses and they could park to the businesses does that make a difference are very historic I mean in other cities that are similar they build two, three storey parking stores it just becomes a need and at least you've got side street parking you know in some of these older towns that have the same issues it's a parking lot you know but now a lot of parking it's a lot more historic yeah does anyone including Mr. Niven perform a traffic study for the city there are traffic that are nowhere specific I don't know what rotation they're not quite sure what the last date was with the new traffic state but San Antonio was like all the rest of the cities across the country they have a schedule for a win-win study there were ultimately traffic accounts and like that so we can certainly find out for you what the last one was and what those traffic studies were Mr. Niven his work out of St. Mary's were in economics so he is not he doesn't do the traffic transportation or infrastructure studies that would talk about investment for us traffic accounts and all of that but if he's trying to do economics doesn't he realize that if you want people to spend money in your neighborhood you've got to allow them a reasonable time to spend time they're going to avoid you like a place and to feed your whole purpose of trying to revitalize the area I think there's some sort of population how old you would but that cannot be the people that are going to display what's going on around here anybody that wants to come the north side is trying to get out of their office one of the things part of this plan is to have alternate modes of transportation being available for most people right now the only kind of transportation you have along here really is car traffic if you allow the bike lanes if you allow the water sidewalks you're going to get pedestrian traffic you're going to get bike traffic one thing that happened in South Town and for us further down is they took it down from two lanes to one and they actually found lessons in congestion because people were able to bike and they were able to walk and they had to turn back but the study actually showed that it helped things so I want to throw my support forward towards narrowing it down because again it helps and slower traffic isn't necessarily that either I really think it's going to cause major congestion because we will have those other options what about left turn lanes do you realize it's going to jam that way as well right now people can turn left but they can't one lane, not that direction and that's where you do the third lane this might be a horrifying and or ridiculous idea and I don't have a map in my head but could the lower credits ever be one lane theoretically yes you really have to figure out what's your alternate what's going to serve as what's going to serve as what's going to serve as what's going to be and they're thinking about doing that with cumbersome point of vista it's not out of the it's not out of the surrounding it did not occur to me until what you want to like I am sorry I didn't remember mentioned industry Brighttingford road was not deemed more than a year and it was industry and you are still small Ecstasy young star people who are going to set up in here, like Max who's building something, like a building furniture. The solar power people are here. We've got some airbrew there. We've got, there's a little, little, and I didn't see any of that. I mean those are four big industries mentioned right there and of course he's new, so he wouldn't have been on this thing. But I didn't see any industrial understatement and we do have small industrial. We do.   Not where, I mean, a building sure, no, okay. Not where, I mean. You know, they're good employment centers. They have people there. Do they fit the poorer environment that you all envision as a community? That's really all two, it's that y'all's community's decision. Do you look at what the- I love these industries. Can you put the industry on the line? My question is about the lot across the street and the two of these. That was a super fun site. There's another one that is a hazardous site because a plant blew up there. Were they incorporated into your study in any way? What you should be made of? This is a large site right across the street. Yeah, we have, and it would be available to everybody. One of the first things we did was we did a corridor assessment into all the different properties along the corridor. Who owns that? What businesses are occupied? What business is not occupied? What land is available? What land is locked up? This goes back to another exercise and that's depending on what y'all see on the corridor is looking to make sure you have the real estate to support what you want to attract. The good news is, is that you do. There is enough real estate.  So these recommendations are meant to kind of help just if you see help us get that parking for all day or get us some new poles where that little restaurant that wanted to come in and be able to meet. If we've been working with that restaurant on the front end, there may have been a barrier that we might have been able to attend. Not even made. We don't have any special one or special balance. Did that restaurant go to them? Does anybody know? Did those restaurant people go to the BGC? I think we don't know. The former assessment that you all did is, can you make that available to us? Either we can do the website or we can post it on there. And you know, I would venture to guess that if you had stuck that pin that you've got on Lower Fred in your 50 mile walkable area at the Pearl Brewery 10 years ago and then that same study, you would not come up with a single demographic that would have indicated the success and the high end businesses that are there today. So I'm very leery of doing demographics and then saying this is where you are and so this is where you need to focus your offerings. Now I know that you're trying to strike a balance and you should know that the Fred committee's mission always has been for this to be community driven and to serve the community. So you don't get, I mean yes we want to apply and we love new things that are going on but there's plenty of room for both and we also want, there's the idea of what are the services that the people who live around here want to see and also what are the opportunities that folks that are operating their small businesses out of their home have to bring those into a brick and mortar setting. So we are looking, I think you'd find broad support in this room for that kind of corridor but we're also really having to see Max's business that brings a new angle to it and is that true, this is the only true mixed use building on the street. So it wouldn't, I mean, I get the point on the demographic study, it would not be difficult for us to know and do the same demographic study with picking the area of the plot point a little bit higher and doing an average of those two. Just to give everybody that has concern with the demographics of comfort, we can run that exercise. I really don't think you're gonna see too much difference moving up three, four miles to a milvers or two blocks. A milvers here for miles, it's the middle of the corridor that's from Woodlawn but just... I hear you, I really don't, there's gotta be something there too but I don't think it's gonna be... How far is it from Woodlawn? It's not gonna be that, we'd be happy to do the exercise. I have one other question regarding the new Midtown Regional Center that's been identified in the new Pomp Plan. What do you see as being the effect of that on this up-and-trended road corridor which will be the border basically at that regional center and in addition to the corridor projects that are happening through the Pomp Plan and the fact that those areas are specifically designed for growth focus. So we know from the city's perspective they're gonna be incentivizing and they're gonna be looking to focus growth in leaf and hill alphabets and life and so forth. Given that projection and effort that's gonna be put into this by the city, how do you think that affects where you see the opportunities are for Fredricksturg Road? Well, I think it certainly brings a much more concentrated know to Fredricksturg Road, to the entire Fredricksturg Road on the lower portion and I think that the capacity that that plan is bringing together will only bring increased development and interest along the corridor. I think the fear is that for all it brings is similar to say, I don't need to go out of the way. Great little know, great little cultural center. You get there and there's nothing to do. So you leave. Yeah, well, I mean that's what this whole effort about is about. It's changing that there's nothing to do. That's what it's been about for six years. So you have a pearl-like plan to bring that level of capacity, employment, job, people all to a place. And you've got different things to do and I think that's where the improvements on the road come into play next. The businesses that are being, I think, that are in the forefront, the next generation of businesses that are putting their markers in place to capitalize on that. It's a gamble, as they all know, but assuming that that is in line, the work that this community has put into developing the corridor plus the improvements that the bottom three would have all makings from what I've seen to set the corridor, let's say on fire to make the corridor what y'all have been working towards, having it represent. There's so many chicken and egg things to this, but I think y'all have a lot of catalysts that are driving the opportunity. I think that's the good news. The dialogue is shifting across the city from furl, hemisphere, Southtown, to downtown Frederick Road. We're in Regemberton, Parkway. There's other great corridors that make this city just phenomenal, and it's our work to make the city and downtown Delta, that we've got more corridors to focus on that deserve just as much attention and investment as the pearl in Southtown for that matter. And we've got Councilman Trevino's support. I think this will only help keep his feet to the fire, that we can get Councilman Medina on board with the northern portion. You've got a big, long front road that's gonna be making it some great capital improvements. And bringing that street back to what used to be. I just want one of the work that I'm gonna say is that that's affordable. Affordable. Because if you try to bring in pearl and overlay here, then it is not affordable for people like me. And you're right. I think pearl is just the exact thing. It needs to be its own, it needs to be what we, what we might hear from my parents generation call them, what it refers to as back roads. Pretty vital, is downtown Frederick Road. Are you gonna carry this forward and how do we help? So our next exercise is to make these additional inputs and put them into a letter of support, supporting the original front road, bottomless class letter. If there's any additional input that needs to go forward, then we wanna make sure we've got everybody's input. One way to help is we try to get other entities, stakeholders, businesses to sign on to those letters of support as well. So supporting this and we send all that in basically it's community lobbying effort, council and tribunals. So as things heat up and the discussions start happening and the city starts cutting its budget, deciding on what it wants to fund, the work of this community is gonna become extremely important from a lobbying standpoint. One thing that you did, but don't see much yet, put us on a group, main list, the ones to put under and just keep it informed so we can know what you're doing. And so that's what she does. Oh, okay. I don't wanna be self-serving, but that lot right there went to the T.C.Q.E. and they held it here a year or more ago. And once it's mitigated in two, three years, it's limited in what it's used for. No food servers, no residential parking, it's an obvious choice without a lot. It's about an acre right there.  The via transfer station is going right there. It's an obvious place to encourage commuter parking for a parking ride. And that would bring other people in this neighborhood that are already here and that maybe could participate in some local business activities before they head back out to the north side. I think via, and I'm sure it's sitting right in front of them and they may have plans for over a year that are not being discussed. That's an obvious place for them to have a parking lot that's shared by everybody on the corridor. It would be a parking ride spot for people that are gonna get on the ramp on the bus and go downtown instead of paying downtown parking. They can be on the bus for five minutes and get there without a long ride on the USAA area of parking rides. And it brings people in the neighborhood, it helps the neighborhood with parking, helps other business owners. And it's an obvious use for that. And it's owned by the state and seems to be like they can work that part. It's owned by the state. Yeah, it used to be a jazzy property that nobody in the family wanted to find. Can you put this out? That's a good idea. Yeah, you can put it right there. Now, parking downtown is a big problem and you thought it was a very good idea. So I want to reiterate what John Starfton said about this area is kind of scary. You know, I have a business down at Five Points and we have an issue with a lot of drug use. Long-term treatments, you know, we worry about a scary way of business. One thing we do, you know, essentially I want to drive a point of beautification. You know, the product treatments in the 1980s are talking to artists. Anything you can do to buy the area I think it's going to be the great day of hands, the area I think people want to come here and make something that they want to spend their time here. No one wants to walk down this street, especially in this little area, because it's so industrial. You know, that was the way of parole. We were, I don't remember going there before the parole was anything.  And, you know, I'd be afraid. I didn't want to go there. And that's kind of how I feel here now. So it means, the good thing is that needs to be changed, but it means we've got a lot of work ahead of us. And so the only added, I don't think it's not just the beautification, it's the activation of it. It's activating those spaces as well.  And that space was actually used by everybody. So it's all new ways of getting people and businesses in these areas to actually have, making this activity where people feel like it's just an empty space. And I don't know what the answer to that is. I don't know what the solution is, but I know it is an issue. Something that's not really brought up in the studies and all the plots that we're looking at this space to see if there are kind of a barrier. John, can you give me the address on that property? Oh, sorry? The address on that property. I don't know, it's right there. So what is the one-in-one business property? The library. Well, it's work-eleverage, right? That down there is the 100 block of... Right. ...cypress. And then I'm not sure the name of the street. Laurel. Laurel. Yes. It's that intersection. Yeah. Just as a defendant, I'd like to hear just a few recommendations, lighting. Sure. Reading, lighting, and trees. I want to go there. I think that property owners individually need to do the best they can with their own property. It's easy to sit back and get discouraged, but it's not like advertising. You think you don't have money to ride. You think you don't have money to make the building look better. You're going to become even more right. And people need to take that chance, especially if they can enhance their own property and demonstrate that they care about their buildings, especially if they're unrocketed. Sure. Because you can't use accounting. I don't know that your realistic account benefits to do that, depending on the lease situation. I mean, how much can they really do on multi-tenant property to make it look better? And the good news is, y'all are very active corridor with their business owners. I mean, more so than a lot of forewars that we work on. There's a high level of engagement. And I know Kosovo was really extremely helpful in letting some of the businesses know how to continue to improve their size. I know that's so good to walk in. And thank you for those facelifts. That's made a big difference. Sure. And there's more of that. Any last questions or comments? I know we have. Yes. There's a lot of credit work and a lot of rough stuff that I've seen us. Do you know what's going to happen with that? I know that Garcia is going to a lot of trouble. I'm not sure. I think we're going to make some money. So they have to give us some display of the barriers that were brought in. They can't do it. Yeah. They're ready to put in the roadblocks where all of them is alleviated. And I think they were going to be small parking and they're going to be small parking to 12% of the person. And then there's a parking lot. We can help that. That's true. There's only two types of audience. With that maybe, I don't know how to do it. So a lot of those relationships and agreements can be worked out without us. But we're happy to help convene and act as a relationship between the team that they'll see. Available parking that you'd like to try to take advantage of. And we can help make that happen. We just need to know. We just need to remain aware of it. So just to wrap up, we're going to be working on our letter of support for this quarter more. We're going to include these elements. We'll probably pass or send it out that the community would co-sign with us in the legacy. In addition to that, we're going to run the exercise of looking at a different plot point on the front. We're going to just see how different the graphics are. I do hear that it is a corridor that wants to cater to both what's existing but also what the future entails. And so how do you develop that type of program? But I think that know this road is still a little bit long. We've got to get this stuff passed in the bond. No, it's getting it through the bond, getting this distance to vote on it. There's no guarantee on that as it is. If it is, it would be a tremendous catalyst in the decelerator. But then we've got to convince John through the trivia that this is a right pass for the city of San Antonio. And so there's lobbying work that I think you all in the community would continue to do, and that's continue to make sure that the city and the city leaders know that there are other corridors that deserve as much attention and investment as would Broadway and C. And personally, I think the city's invested way too much on the corridor for more about the lines between the outtakes. I want to see it living on the west side.