Now throughout this video, I've been exposing the ways that Donovan so far has been hypocritical. He's been deceptive I've even shown you the third-party neutral party opinions and takes and interpretations of what's going on For example from Tony Bruno, John Sama, Steve the Dean Williams On the various attacks that Donovan has made on me and things that he's done in public What their thoughts are as well as mound as well as the very physical blatant hypocrisy is such as would be make When we're getting make them regretting and hat attacking it without giving you an explanation for it all those kind of things However, this video is about to get a lot more serious and I mean that so buckle up and put your coffee down for a second here But I'm about to expose to you as a Donovan sharp who presents to be you know He has a girlfriend. He's in a relationship cohabitating. He claims he's in a relationship and that he has a girlfriend This is false for almost two years now Donovan sharp has been secretly married to a woman that he goes by Devon sharp You might know her from his YouTube channel. She used to be called sharp assist Then once they got married she became Devon sharp interesting how that works on and July 2019 late July So we'll get more into who she is and she's actually a public figure by the way And we'll demonstrate why that is in a little bit But Donovan is in a marriage and has every intention of spending the rest of his life with this woman Devon sharp Here's a picture of them.  These are publicly available Well, it's Twitter got suspended, but it's still available on his Instagram and YouTube community posts and all that So he's been secretly married to this woman and lying about it for years at this point almost two years come July So when actually let's show a little clip here, too. What exactly I mean by lying This is a video recently filmed in Miami, Florida filmed a few weeks ago where he explicitly Publicly lies about this and mocks it trying to evade it. You know, yes. Yes. Listen. I have a confession to make I have a confession to make. Yes. I am secretly married to Devon Let's watch that one more time this that really sinks in what you're seeing what you're witnessing Even how uncomfortable it is and cringe worthy give it a watch one more time here You know, yes. Yes. Listen, I have a confession to make. I have a confession to make. Yes. I am secretly married to Devon So what Donovan is doing is denying through in the comments that on that video get roasted and they roast him He's basically through comedy and humor He's trying to brush off the accusations that he is secretly married to this woman Which is first exposed by mixtape dictionary several months ago They have entire videos multiple not just one here and we see the married dating coaches But several may have exposed Donovan for many months now that he is secretly married to the woman that you guys know as Devon Sharp As we're showing here, they even have a video trailer I throw the screenshots from this still where she's in a video trailer, right? She's a public figure part of the show moderator actually So it's first exposed by them But more recently more credibly by me as someone who's known Donovan for several years has met him and his wife in Real life at the 21 convention as we discussed at length here at the you know in the show in the video So I came out more recently and finally confirmed this for the mixtape guys who have been citing this for several months now Here's my take on it recently on Tony Bruno's channel. You can see for yourself How goes like if some Donovan should own up to his mistakes and lose a lot of money for it For example, Donovan Sharp got secretly married to his girlfriend back in A lot of people don't like that don't want to hear that but that's what happened He even had a one-year anniversary in Florida back last year in 2020 But people don't know about this Donovan but then Donovan goes anti marriage on his channel all day long, right? If his audience knew that if his audience knew that he'd lose a lot of money So he lies about it consistently over and over and over again just like rollo These are the ways these guys get defrauded in ways they don't realize So this is a big problem for Donovan. He's secretly married. He's been married for almost two years And whether or not he's legally married is a separate issue and we're going to investigate that now What that means what i'm talking about in that regard But he has he had a wedding with her in late july. He exchanged vows with her. He exchanged rings I've seen the ring personally as have another half a dozen speakers at the 21 convention 2019 Where she was showing off this wedding ring claiming it was a wedding ring Wearing it on her left-handed ring finger where you're supposed to wear a wedding ring She wore it to this event had dinner with these speakers and showed it to many of them I'm not the only one that's known this a lot of us have known this for a long time I'm not going to name names too many here, but Many of them know it And it's a complicated delicate issue at least early on, you know when someone gets married They don't necessarily want to make a public their public figure like donovan Maybe he has a reason for keeping it private for a few weeks or even a few months Maybe right but we're coming up on two years now and this video that I just showed you I'll show it to you one more time this quick clip This is after he has been exposed by the channel here publicly with public interest and fair use and they're showing Demonstrating that he isn't a marriage with this woman what he calls a marriage He calls himself her husband she and he calls her his wife This is how they operate in real life And this is a fucking problem because it shows intent because after he was exposed here on this channel And by me in the clip I just showed you what does he do? He goes down to florida on florida soil a man me florida after he was exposed repeatedly to almost 50000 youtube subscribers.  You know, yes. Yes. Listen. I have a confession to make.  Let's get into it So some backstory first of all Donovan, I don't know whether or not he's legally married and let's investigate what exactly the hell that means Can you be married without being legally married? Well, let's investigate This is an article from ram about ram paul and msnbc. There's also articles like this on cnn time magazine all kinds of things Rand paul is an advocate sitting us senator from katucky, by the way Rand paul is an advocate for what's called the privatization of marriage or private marriage So as his father ron paul former congressman three-time presidential candidate and medical doctor He's a big advocate of private marriage as well Essentially like the article here in msnbc talks about it is removing government from the whole marriage equation completely Making it a private religious or otherwise spiritual personal ceremony That still has potential legal ramifications in terms of contract law, but definitely social family type relationships It's declaring intent to be married that someone is your wife and the other person as the husband To build a family to be married and to be together and for people to respect that Now this is something that many some of you do know some of you don't sort of struggle with watching This is something that I did and I pioneered years ago in the manasphere personally Something that even rola tamasi has commended me on on his blog the irrational male This is back, uh, not too long ago. Maybe a year and a half two years ago And he actually compliments me on what I did with private marriage By, you know, learning from guys like ram paul that talk about these issues philosophically and in a legal sense Well, what kind of changes can be made in the united states?  I don't want them in my life And I was actually married years ago to a woman that some of you know is madusa Her real name formally was merrily. I currently don't know what it is.  You can still see it on youtube called marrying madusa how to survive a female psychopath I was very clear in that speech what happened during that relationship Including the private marriage issue that you see here discussed by ram paul This is not a secret to my fans and fans of 21 studios This is us here together. This is a picture from the wedding itself Uh, we actually had a speaker marius Uh, so the right that's us maria at the wedding Here's the speaker greg swan speaking at the 21 convention for a second time in 2014 in tampa So this is us This is what we did I did it very much inspired by ram paul and ron's father ron paul And you know to a lesser extent the man is fear your men's rights community and all that It was complicated and I thought this up on my own and it really protected me as royal tamasi sites From potential negative consequences in divorce court I completely sidestepped that and evaded it by being intelligent Even though the relationship was otherwise obviously not very fun not very not very healthy by toxic And the speech there is available. You can go watch and discover what happened But if you notice what i'm telling you here very clearly I said this was not a secret. It was a live stream on the youtube channel There's a video that I gave that explicitly indicates it was not illegal marriage as a private marriage And we were very clear about this she even introduces herself here as marylly johnson on the 21 report with one of our speaker Hey, marylly johnson here with the 21 report and we're here with sock and you just gave your 2014 keynote address great speech So, you know, this is not a secret for many years in the channel.  You know, yes, yes Listen, I have a confession to make. I have a confession to make. Yes I am secretly married to devin Yeah, unbelievable. Let's get into it donovan So first of all donovan took up an interest in this in late 2018 On his first show the you know, the sharp reality and whatnot He had me on a show This is the patreon post before he brought it live on youtube where we did the interview thousands and thousands people saw before he later took it down Questions for tonight's appearance by anthony johnson about private marriage And he actually then emailed me many of the questions that he got from his patreon fans about private marriage This is in late 2018. He will later get married in july 2019 to this woman known as again, divan sharp So these are some of the questions is the patreon the youtube video no longer exists that link But there is a clip of it somewhere on his patreon still you can listen to audio Of what went on there before he got married to divan sharp Again, I want to make it clear that donovan does not claim he explicitly claims as in a video that he is not married to That woman he is mocking it and trying to comedically disarm it and get away from it and distance himself from that idea That accusation that has been going on for months now on the migthau dictionary channel As well as the clip I showed you that went to almost 300,000 subscribers about Antoni Bruno's channel about donovan sharp being married. I explicitly make that claim I stand behind it and I mean it a thousand percent In fact, I invite donovan to sue me for defamation if that is not true and that is false Sue me motherfucker.  We got the questions here that he emails me We got the patreon post. It's still available there In public you can see and there's various, you know donovan repeatedly claims this woman is his girlfriend He does not claim she is his wife. He negates that with intent down in Miami, florida very recently. All right So we got a big problem here He's asking me for months leading up to the wedding About all the stuff going on He now claims that this guy this guy named shon brady is one of his best friends apparently That uh, you know, this guy doesn't get privately married. He has questions for me that are more specific than what we had on the show Right Go you guys can read this you can pause it if you want. I'm not going to read the whole thing for you But basically it's someone claiming to be in april 21 2019 one of donovan's close friends so close in fact The donovan is going to be his best man at his wedding in late july exactly when donovan got married interesting how that works, huh? Here's donovan indicating that that email from shon brady is supposed to be real This is a shon brady is supposed to be a real human being a real man that donovan knows from college or something You know, so here it is here I would love to but i'm the best man at my best friend's wedding the one who's getting privately married Okay, confirming the legitimacy of this email. This is a real email sent by someone that he knows He goes here He's asking me for more and more questions well after the interview in a show, right after his fans were exposed to the idea and all that He's asking me for more stuff a couple of questions off the air just a phone combo We did have that conversation by the way and he asked me much more specific questions Then we're previously discussed on the show that you guys saw here and on his patreon and on his youtube Now we have this shon brady guy coming out of nowhere interesting I never heard of this guy for those of you who are fans you've heard about his friend shon brady either of I It keeps going.  I'm busy to even too busy with the events to even answer the email that year It keeps going You know, my best friend in college is interested in private marriage dive your permission to give him your email He's not going to quiz you just the ins and outs blah blah blah It keeps going on and on and on about this shon brady guy Here's the problem.      And why is he white knighting for his friend so hard? His friend could easily talk to an attorney donovan indicates, you know to his friend that i'm not an attorney Of course i'm not an attorney could explain to him much better what the ins and outs of what this What this direction of life could go to what this it's a course of action for trying to get married and build a family Without the government could do Donovan is obsessed with it. But here's the kicker guys.  I know this for a fact He asked roger bruno to marry him the exact same way that I had a speaker marry us Greg swan from the 21 convention And almost had socrates married us instead. It was a very tough call for me at the time For reasons that are just not important to the show So donovan did the same thing. He asked the speaker who he was close with george bruno to marry him george, of course, was busy at the 21 convention and pulling that layer in that year So he couldn't go Donovan even kind of fucks us up here and he says now Let me see if I haven't available for you guys Yeah, it's not that important anyway Donovan, by the way, later had his one-year anniversary in Orlando and you can see from this text Right after he ended up, you know, one year later after getting married So it is what it is. He asked george bruno to marry him. The speakers have seen the wedding ring itself Here many of them have seen it.  She's all about it and she loves it So why is donovan lying about this? Well, we're gonna explore that but again, we need to reiterate that donovan is it repeatedly He even had his honeymoon, by the way down in florida right after getting married in july When he was too busy to speak, of course at the 21 convention in poland in late july because he was getting fucking married One more time. This is donovan sharp denying this in public after being exposed and accused of being married to this woman Yes, yes. Listen. I have a confession to make. I have a confession to make. Yes I am secretly married to devin That show is very clear intent to continue Hiding this even after he's been exposed on this channel on the video clip I showed you where I accused him of being legally married and i'm doing it again Or not legally married necessarily. He may be legally married. He may not be me and my ex-wife I'm gonna do so as you guys know her. We're not legally married What did we do?  We exchanged vows. We exchanged rings. Our families were present We had a honeymoon in hawaii similar to what donovan did in the florida keys Picture I've read here. It's all of his social media still from when he did this It was not a random vacation. It was a honeymoon after the wedding So private marriage essentially is a method to Avoid the government and still have a lot of the benefits of being married a lot of the maybe not benefits per se But a lot of the functions That we talked, you know ran paul's discussing here You know what me and my wife x wife did not do We did not present as legally married We filed our taxes separately if we did something like rent a car where they asked you if you're married We would say hey, we had a wedding but we're not legally married so we can't do that We're very clear about things every step just like I was in my youtube channel about this relationship and this marriage Donovan is trying to have his cake and eat it too.  Let's have a look at his youtube channel.  He asked roger bruno to marry them. Their wedding was in late july They have there's pictures of it.  Let's have a look at this Number one and we'll get into this more in a little bit What donovan is doing in florida is directly misleading his audience and another audience that is directly promoting his product including in that exact video He is falsely advertising the nature of his relationship with this woman This is false advertising. He is lying to these people lying through comedy and humor and laughter and trying to claim He's secretly married. He of course is secretly married.  You know, yes. Yes. Listen. I have a confession to make I have a confession to make yes I am secretly married to debon Yeah, real funny man real funny We'll investigate this more in a little bit, but that's kind of the basis here guys So in summary Donovan sharp is married to the woman known you guys know as divan sharp She is a limited purpose public figure. We're going to look into that in a second He has been uh, you know parading this woman around as his girlfriend for a long time And for a long time she was this his girlfriend until july late july 2019 when he got married to her they had a wedding At this point, I don't know whether or not they specifically have gone forward and gotten a marriage license It could be common law married, perhaps. I don't know exactly the laws on where they got married and the state They live in and all these things.  That was one of his options He could have opened up to it taking responsibility. Hey guys, you know, I actually did have a wedding with her a long time ago It's kind of complicated. I talked to anthony johnson about it a lot I asked george bruno to marry us.  That is his wife.


Hello and welcome to the International Daily Roundup with People's Dispatch where we bring you some of the top stories from across the globe. Let's take a look at today's headlines. News outlet ordered to shut down as a part of police crackdown in Thailand. Tunisian government receives flak over media bill. Russia expresses willingness to freeze nuclear arsenal. Oil giant expected to cause widespread damage to lives and environment in East Africa. Google exposed of illegally protecting monopoly by U.S. Justice Department. Voice TV, a Thai news outlet, has been ordered to shut down because of its coverage of the popular protests in Thailand. Voice TV was one of the four outlets against which Thailand's police have announced a probe earlier this week. The Ministry of Digital Economy and Society alleged that the media outlets published in broadcast material that violated computer crime laws and the emergency decree. The decision immediately followed the order to probe into more than 300,000 URLs on social media and other digital platforms that the police have identified to be in violation of Thai laws. The foreign correspondents club of Thailand expressed deep concerns over the government's actions. The four media outlets have been broadcasting live footage of a Facebook during the protests. Despite the police crackdown, the protests have continued unabated. On Sunday, massive protests were witnessed across the national capital. The police estimates of the number of protesters show participation of over 20,000 people at various demonstrations in Bangkok. Protesters could be seen occupying media intersections and landmarks of the city. Moving on to our next story on Tuesday, a large protest was staged in front of the Tunisian Parliament against the newly proposed media bill. The bill significantly relaxes licensing rules for media operations in the country. Over 300 journalists and activists participated in the protest in their slogans against the proposed media bill. The bill includes provisions for removing the requirement for television and radio channels to obtain official licenses to operate in the country. Protesters also opposed another clause in the bill which stipulates that the parliament can appoint new members to the media regulatory body by a simple majority instead of the current requirement of a two-thirds majority. Protesters accused the government of deliberately allowing powerful domestic and external players to take advantage of the new rules. The bill could give possible rise to the spreading of extremist propaganda as well as unfair collusion between the government and the media. Meanwhile, those in support of the bill claim that it will benefit the country's media sector leading to a growth in the number of TV and radio channels, media content and jobs. Supporters of the bill include Prime Minister Hitcham Mechichi, head of the Karama Coalition, Seth Adin Baklouf, and a moderate Islamist in other party. However, critics have raised concerns about allowing foreign influence in the social and political life of the country. The bill would give foreign powers and companies the means to further their selective interests or those of their Tunisian allies at the cost of a free and fair press. Now going to Russia on Tuesday, the extension of the new Strategic Arms Control Treaty or START was revived after Russia offered to freeze the number of its nuclear warheads along with a one-year extension of the deal. In a statement, Russian Foreign Ministry said that Russia has ready to take on a political commitment with the United States to freeze the number of nuclear warheads both sides have for this period. The US State Department immediately welcomed the offer and declared that negotiations to settle the details will start soon. The treaty was first signed in 2010 between President Barack Obama and then Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. The future of the treaty was uncertain after Trump had refused to talk about its extension, demanding that China should also join the treaty. China has refused to be a part of the deal. The treaty caps the number of nuclear warheads to 1,550 for both Russia and the US. It also restricts the kind of deployment of the nuclear warheads by both countries. If not extended, the treaty would expire on February 5th next year. The one-year extension would give both the countries enough time to discuss the future of the deal. As per the treaty, both countries can extend the treaty for a maximum of five years without rectification from the Congress. The US had rejected last week's condition offered to extend the treaty for one year, demanding that it announces the freeze on the number of warheads as well. Russia has agreed to do the same on the condition that the US should not put any other conditions. George W. Bush had pulled out from the Inter-Bilalistic Missiles Treaty in 2002. It is feared that the demise of all these treaties will create a new nuclear arms race in the world, increasing the threat of a nuclear meltdown. According to a report released by two French campaign groups, the lives of thousands of people in Uganda and Tanzania and biodiversity of the region is facing a threat from the oil projects of French oil giant Total in the East African region. The company has threatened more than 100,000 people's livelihoods and created conditions for the displacement without proper compensation. The project, which involves oil extraction and a Python project in Uganda and Tanzania also threatens the crucial environmental balance and biodiversity of the region. The campaign groups are seeking a court order in France to force it to disclose the details of measures taken by it to address the grievances of the people directly and indirectly affected by the project. According to the report, the company has even intimidated the local residents to force them out of their lands and threaten those who have voiced concerns and opposed it. Total is also failed to provide proper compensation to all those who would be displaced due to the project. The oil project expected to produce 200,000 barrels of oil each day once completed also includes a 1,445 km long East African crude oil pipeline which will carry the oil produced in Uganda to Tanzania. The report also blames the company for violations of environmental safeguards in collaboration with the local administration. Finally, on Tuesday, the US Justice Department accused Google of illegally protecting its monopoly over internet search and search advertising. The move is seen as being reflective of the bipartisan distrust towards big tech in the US. New slicks for Beepool Kaisal speaks more on this issue. So if you look at what Google started as when they talked about its search engine, it said the search engine is what gives you quickly what you want to know, it transits you to other spaces, other websites very quickly. Now that's not what seems to be happening. In fact, the figures are very, very startling. They effectively says that people more or less, in fact, the figures are more than 50% of the people do not go to any other site after searching in Google, which means Google retains those people. How do they retain them? The various ways Google finds it to retain the people, one is of course go to only Google properties. If you're looking for a mapping information, Google maps, but that's only one example. The N number of other Google sites, which are Google properties, which are there, if it's videos, it can be YouTube. So effectively Google retains those search results by promoting its own search properties, own properties, which may match with some of the requirements in search may not be the best. It doesn't follow the criteria of the ranking. Google properties do not follow Google's criteria for ranking. So it promotes those. That's only one part. The second part of it, and this has also become quite dangerous these days, is the fact that you are beginning to see that the information on the sites, which my query when I search Google might have raised, Google tends to fetch the answer from those sites in a way that people then don't go any further. So of course, people may still go, but most people are looking for specific information. It's there. And they said, okay, that's all I really need. So that harvesting of the site in this particular way means even Wikipedia's search results, the people don't go to Wikipedia after that. So increasingly the practices that Google has followed over the last three, four, five years have seen increasingly the number of clicks resulting from the search actually forming. So this is one part of it. And if you look at the anti-monopoly case just launched against Microsoft, that was because it was the Windows was the primary platform, mainly because Microsoft Windows had become the de facto choice for most people buying laptops. And most laptop vendors had also bundled Microsoft Windows as a part of the product itself. So that was the agreement between Microsoft Windows and a lot of the laptop vendors at that stage. Then they started bundling other things with it, Microsoft Explorer. That was one of the things. So the search engine, et cetera, comes up when you have already a web browser. So the web browser monopoly was what was Microsoft intention because they had a monopoly on the Windows operating system, which was the de facto operating system for the personal computers. So that is what the antitrust case in this Microsoft was. And they have to allow for other browsers to be either bundled by the laptop vendors, not only Windows, not only Microsoft products, but also that this led to the close integration between the Microsoft products, which have competition with the Windows operating system that had was what was really attacked. And that is where Microsoft had to let that go. So they said, no, no, we're not using our monopoly on our operating system to force the laptop vendors to buy all our other products and give all our other products. At that point, Explorer was actually free. So give all our other products. But this is open for anybody to use and operate, use other products as well. So this is where Microsoft founded. And this is also seems to be the one which is now has got Google in trouble because Google's promoting its own properties, a, and also retaining the searches on this platform. There are two of the things that we are talking about that there could be many more things we could talk about. But these are the two things which have made increasingly over the last five to 10 years, which has seen increasingly clicks resulting from Google search decreasing. And that is all the time we have for today's episode of the International Daily Roundup. For more such stories and videos, visit our website, people.spash.org. Subscribe to our YouTube channel and follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Thank you for watching. Bye.


So, next time the narcissist tries to hoover you, he may be doing it because he is holding a grudge against you. How could you tell the difference? First of all, resist hoovering in any case. It's a bad idea to team up again with the narcissist. No contact is the only solution. But if you are wondering intellectually speaking, what's the difference between real hoover when the narcissist is trying to re-idealize you and match you with the object, with the internal object inside his head, this is real hoover.  And vengeful hoover or grudge-driven hoover when the narcissist wants to hoover you in order to gain access to you, in order to somehow punish you for what you have done to him. In his mind, in reality or not, imaginary or actual, in his mind you have transgressed. You have acted as a perpetrator, as an enemy, and you need to be punished. And one of the ways to accomplish this is to hoover you. How can you tell the difference?  Has the narcissist repeatedly claimed this? Was this a constant kind of complaint of the narcissist? That's a warning sign. If he has, then he's bearing a grudge. He hasn't gone away. Don't convince yourself that time heals all wounds. Time heals all wounds in human beings, not in narcissists. So that's the first question. Second question.  If they've actually occurred, it's one thing. If they're imaginary, it would indicate the existence of a grudge. Be very careful. Next thing. Does the narcissist idealize you in the same way when he's trying to go over you? Does he put emphasis on the same things?  Is he emphasizing the very same things right now? If he is not, it's an indication of the existence of a grudge, an attempt to change his perception of you and consequently his perception of himself. The next thing. Does the narcissist insist that he must win? He can't lose. He can't be outwitted. He is always right. With you regarding a specific case. So the narcissist homes in on a specific event, specific argument, specific fight, specific public shaming, specific something and then he insists that he must rectify the situation because he can't lose. He insists that he hasn't been outwitted. He was just biding his time. He insists that he has been right and you have been wrong. If he keeps emphasizing this, he's trying to reconstruct his grandiosity by hovering you. Stay away. It means he is holding a grudge. Next. Is he righteous? Is he being sanctimonious and righteously indignant about it? Is he rigid? He won't consider any other point of view. Does he claim to have suffered a moral injury? Does he say or insist that he has attained the high moral ground while you have acted in a manner which is immoral and unethical? Does he try to blame you? Does he want you to own the blame? Does he insist that what you've done to him has caused such injury that it's irreversible, irreversible, cannot be solved, cannot be healed, cannot be treated? These are signs of a major grudge. Is he trying to restore justice in his own mind and equity? Does he ask you or demand for some kind of confession, reparation, restitution, making amends?  Because you owe it to him. Having transgressed against him, you don't have to prove yourself. These are all signs of a grudge. Is the narcissist being punitive, vengeful? Does he seek vindication from you? Does he overtly and openly punish you in a variety of ways? Silent treatment, verbal abuse, I don't know. Is he trying to reassert control? Does he begin to micromanage you? Does he inject himself into every area of his life? Is he trying to isolate you? Does it amount to coercive control? Try to control your finances. Going out and so, coercive control is a major sign of a grudge.  Does he ask or insist on guarantees that you will never ever offend him, insult him, transgress against him, criticize him, disagree with him, humiliate him in public or in private, argue with him, and so on. Never ever. These are taboos, not allowed, no no's in the relationship. Is he trying therefore to deter you and modify your behaviors? Does he try to demonstrate to you how strong he is, how resilient he is, how invulnerable he is? These are all signs of a grudge. Does he claim that what you've done to him has borne severe consequences, was part of a pattern, was inexcusable, immoral, gratuitous, mean, nasty, cruel? Does he pose as a victim and claims that he has suffered much more than you have gained? Your actions have been disproportional. Does he ruminate and obsess about his victimhood status and how you have victimized him and abused him? In all these cases, cut your losses, walk away. This is not hovering. This is an attempt to reintroduce you into the fantastic space in order to inflict punishment and vengeance upon you. Don't let him. No contact. Narcissists find it nearly impossible to forgive, to forget, and to move on. Why is that? What is so special with narcissists? What is so unique? What predisposes them to holding grudges seemingly forever, to never overlooking insights, slides, humiliation, criticism, disagreement? Why are they so fragile and brittle? Why are they incapable of transitioning to another phase in life? In other words, why are narcissists deficient when it comes to forming neutral or not neutral memories? Why they can convert perceived transgressions into memories? Perhaps because transgressions, as far as the narcissist is concerned, are mostly arbitrary, inconsistent, and imaginary. It is the narcissist who decides when you have transgressed. It is the narcissist who is calling the shots. The narcissist is a law unto himself or herself. The narcissist, one day, decides that a certain action constitutes a violation, a breach of contract, or of boundaries. And the next day, it takes the very same action, in stride, as if nothing has happened. This shape-shifting, capricious definition, redefinition, and redefinition of transgressions within a shared fantasy space. This is what destabilizes the victim on the one hand and doesn't allow the narcissist to move on on the other hand. The inconstant nature of what the narcissist perceives to be an offense against him, what he perceives to have been offensive. This inconstant nature makes it impossible for the narcissist to take a stand, to defend values, to declare convictions, boundaries, and beliefs. The fact that the narcissist has no core identity, no fixed Archimedean point, a self, an ego. The fact that the narcissist exactly at the borderline is subject to identity disturbance makes it very difficult for the narcissist to be the same person the next day, after the transgression. And only the same person can forgive. When you forgive someone for having transgressed against you, it's because you're the same person, with the same memories, with the same identity, with the same continuity.  The narcissist doesn't have any of this. Its narcissism is smoke and mirrors. It's an absence masquerading as a presence. Who is there to forgive? Who would be there to move on, if the narcissist is not the same person from one day to the next? This video is based on Grudge Theory, first suggested by Roy Baumeister, Julie Exline, and Christine Sommer in the 1990s. My name is Sam Baknin. I'm the graduating author of Malignant Self-Love, Narcissism Revisited, the unforgiving former visiting professor of psychology, and the constant or inconstant member of the faculty of SEAPS, Commonwealth Institute for Advanced Professional Studies. Okay, Shoshanim, Shvanpanim, stay with us for the continuation of this video. A grudge, it's important to understand that a grudge is a relationship management tool. People use grudges in order to communicate hurt and pain and expectations. Grudges reflect changes in the perception of the perpetrator or alleged perpetrator and change in the perception of oneself. The grudge redefines the dyadic space or the relationship space. In a way, the grudge converts reality into a form of fantasy. It doesn't have to be a revenge fantasy, although this is the most common fantasy. It's a fantasy of victimhood. It's a fantasy of injustice. It's a fantasy of retribution, but it's a fantasy. It is the use of fantasy in the form of a grudge to redefine the role of the perpetrator, the role of oneself within a relationship that either continues or is no more. So it's a management tool. It serves to terminate the relationship. It serves to perpetuate the relationship and the new terms and conditions, redefine the relationship. But in any case, it's a relationship management tool. In other words, a grudge is relational. It's never individual. You cannot hold a grudge in empty space, in deep space. You have to hold a grudge against someone.  That someone has occupied your mind. The grudge is a way to obtain internal closure, to communicate your offense and hurt to the perpetrator, to force the perpetrator, at least again, in the imaginary space between your two ears, to force the perpetrator to make amends. So it's a relationship management tool, whether the relationship is still ongoing and external or whether the relationship is totally internal between internal objects. In the case of the narcissist, the grudge fulfills numerous other functions, which explains why the narcissist finds it extremely difficult to not hold grudges. So the first function of a grudge is to reconstitute grandiosity. Narcissists perceive transgressions as narcissistic injuries, and in extreme cases, when there's public shame and humiliation, narcissistic modification ensues. In both cases, narcissistic injury and narcissistic modification, there's a challenge to grandiosity. There's an undermining of the cognitive distortion that misinforms the narcissist about reality and his place in reality. A cognitive distortion that allows the narcissist to maintain an inflated, fantastic, outlandish sense of self or substitute sense of self, known as the false self. The narcissist maintains a self-image and self-perception that have extremely little to do with the world out there, with external objects. The narcissist is hellbent on maintaining, preserving, protecting, defending, and perpetuating narrative which casts him in the role of God. He's Godlike within this narrative. So any infringement, any impingement, any breach, any challenge that somehow dares to hint that the narcissist's grandiosity is misconstrued or perhaps fantastic or perhaps counterfactual. This results in narcissistic injury, and the narcissist then desperately needs to reconstitute his or her grandiosity. Two elements especially, omnipotence, or being all powerful. The narcissist is unable to countenance loss. There's an inadmissibility of losing or of being or having been outwitted. The narcissist is the cleverest, the smartest, the most cunning, the most super hyper intelligent. Therefore, never gullible, never naive, never anyone's fool. He can never be outwitted and he can never lose a match. Narcissus perceives the world in terms of an ongoing battle, a warfare, urban warfare, zone. And so losing would be to acknowledge the narcissist's inferiority, however localized and limited in time, but still inferiority. Gods don't lose. Gods are never outwitted. Well, modern gods in Greek mythology and Indian mythology, that's not true. It doesn't apply. But modern gods, Yahweh in the Bible, Allah, these modern gods are highly grandiose and highly narcissistic and they are never outwitted and they never lose and they are omnipotent and they are omniscient and so on and so forth. Subjects for the narcissist's emulation. And so the narcissist needs, in the wake of a transgression, the narcissist needs to re-establish his sense of omnipotence.  And the second element in graduality that has to be re-reconfirmed is omniscience or more precisely omniscient infallibility. The narcissist is always right. He is never wrong. And so having been transgressed against usually implies some kind of poor judgment, making friends with the wrong person who has proven to be a snake in the grass and a fake friend, getting married with the wrong spouse who emerged as a borderline or a covert narcissist. At any rate, there's poor judgment involved. And poor judgment is the antithesis, the antonym of omniscience. You can't be omniscient. You can't be all-knowing and have poor judgment because if you know everything, you're never wrong. And if you're never wrong, your judgment is always right. Being always right is critical to the narcissist. So any injury, any transgression, any hurt, any, they're all indicative that he is not omniscient. And he has to somehow restore the balance, recalibrate the scales and settle the accounts, hence the grudge. Now this is all embedded in righteous indignation, a kind of self-imputed moral injury. A narcissist always assumes, especially covert narcissists, always assume the high moral ground. The caste life, the view life is a kind of morality play. Good against evil with the narcissist, of course, the epitome and reification of the good. And everyone else is evil.  Narcissists are all bad, victims are all good, or narcissists are all good, victims are all bad, and so on, so forth. So there's righteous indignation involved. And it's righteous indignation which is unanchastic. In other words, it's a kind of righteous indignation, a kind of ostentatious morality, a kind of virtuous signaling that is subject to very rigid laws and regulations and rules and norms and mores. This rigidity is known as an encastia. It's a trait domain. And an encastia is perfectionism, which is basically obsessive compulsive, and adheres, this perfectionism adheres to some rigid sets of rules. So it's like being very stringent, very strict, very, very unforgiving. Garages are the outcomes of these alleged moral injuries. The narcissist becomes invested in this morality play as the good guy or the good girl. He seeks to apportion blame, to allocate blame, to establish who is guilty, to force the other party, to admit, to confess, to accept responsibility. Underneath it all, there's the hidden assumption that harm and damage and transgressions are irreversible. Like you cannot undo the transgression. As far as the narcissist is concerned, there's zero tolerance. One strike and you're out. Having infringed or challenged or undermined the narcissist's grandiosity, in any way shape or form, privately or in public, you're out.  Therefore, by definition, unforgettable, unforgettable, unforgivable, morally wrong. And the narcissist has an obligation, an ethical obligation, to restore the moral balance of the entire universe, in effect. It's a cosmic, cosmic task, a cosmic assignment. It involves, of course, restorative justice, equity, reparations, restitution, making amends. The narcissist wishes to see the transgressor, wishes to witness the transgressor humiliated, confessing, begging, crying, supplicating. So, there needs to be a symbolic, but yet conspicuous and ostentatious and totally visible, act of remorse and regret on behalf of the transgressor. The transgressor needs to offer restitution, reparations and amends, only to be rejected by the narcissist, because the narcissist is not interested in restitution, the narcissist is interested in retribution. But still, it's great fun to witness your enemy, kowtowing, begging, supplicating, crying and so on. It's fun. It's the fun part. It's the grandiosity, reconstruction part. All this leads to punitive vengeance. The narcissist's vengeance has less to do with the transgressor than with the narcissist himself. The narcissist wishes to avenge himself, wishes to punish the other party, not in order to accomplish any change in the other party, or to educate the other party, or to bring about a new constellation in which the other party won't be able to transgress again, or to reform and educate the other party, or any of these altruistic, noble-sounding words or attitudes. No way. The narcissist's six vengeance and revenge wants to avenge it himself. For one reason only, he wants to prove himself vindicated. It's about self-vindication. I've always been right. I've always been in the right. I've always been the moral party. I've always sought justice. I've always acted well and okay, and according to standards, I have done nothing wrong. It is the other parties, the other parties' punishment. It is the other parties' suffering that proves me right, that proves me just, that proves me moral. It is a form, of course, of reasserting control over a situation that is perceived as out of control. The narcissist creates a shared fantasy and introduces other people into the shared fantasy, friends, family, spouses, girlfriends, boyfriends, his own children, colleagues, bosses, everyone is somehow embedded and incorporated and assigned roles within a shared fantasy, and it's a script. It's a script. It's rigid. One has to adhere to the script, and the outcome is the narcissist's movie of his life. When someone confronts the narcissist, criticizes the narcissist, disagrees with him, humiliates the narcissist, mocks the narcissist, ridicules the narcissist, exposes the narcissist, that's a breach, a violation, that's ripping the script apart, that's ignoring the shared fantasy, that's ruining the movie. It's unforgivable, and the narcissist has a panic attack. He reacts with extreme anxiety known as panic, and he tries to reassert control. He tries to re-establish the set, the movie set. He tries to reintroduce the actors into their appropriate location in the script, appropriate role in the script. He tries to re-impose the script somehow. The garage is a control and manipulation strategy. It's an instrument. It's a tool guaranteeing that other people would not stray, would tow the line, would obey, would be submissive, would observe the narcissist's demands, would fulfill or meet the narcissist's expectations because they don't want to be subjected to the narcissist's vengeful fury within his garage. Of course, one of the main roles of grudges is deterrence. The idea of a garage is to induce behavior modification in the offender, in the perpetrator, in the transgressor. Holding a garage is like saying, I expect you to change your behavior, otherwise I will never forgive you. That's a garage. So there's an element of deterrence, there's an element of education, a missionary element of education, and there's an element of behavior modification in a typical healthy garage, which usually self-expires. This is an expiry date. It's self-limiting. It's a shelf life. But with the narcissist, the garage is infinite. It never goes away. The narcissist never forgives. He keeps revisiting his own humiliation and shaming, his own sense of injury, including moral injury. He keeps revisiting it. He keeps ruminating. He keeps obsessing. So there's not much deterrence accomplished. And the narcissist is totally not interested in the alleged perpetrator or offender's behavior and its modification. It's not external. I keep explaining to you. The narcissist's garage is not external. The narcissist's garage doesn't even have to do with reputation, although there is a reputational component in the narcissist's garage. A typical garage with a healthy person has to do with the reputational costs of forgiving. When you forgive, you may appear weak and vulnerable to others. And then they may misunderstand and think that you are ready and available prey. You attract predators. By forgiving, you attract predators. So it's much better to maintain a grunge, thereby enhancing or sustaining your reputation and deterring other potential predators, other potential offenders and perpetrators, and so on. The narcissist is interested in this component of reputation in as much and in as far as it is an integral element of his grandiosity, but not otherwise. Because the narcissist is incapable of perceiving other people as external objects. The narcissist doesn't really care about his or her reputation. The narcissist wants to be known, wants to be famous, wants to be celebrated, adulated and admired and so on. But all these have nothing to do with reputation. Reputation is about dignity, self-respect, integrity. Narcissists don't do these things. They don't manage reputations. They don't care about reputational costs, but they do care about appearing weak, appearing vulnerable. They want to appear strong. They want to be feared or they want to be respected or they want to be both feared and respected. So, grudge in the case of the narcissist is less about other people and more about himself. He, it's a form of impression management. He wants to impress people with his inability to forgive and to forget. Don't screw with me because I never forgive and I never forget. It's kind of a mafia thing, an immature mafia thing. Mafias are generally immature. A lot of infantilism among organized crime. Now, one last comment.  One of the solutions to narcissistic modification is known as the external solution. To remind you, narcissistic modification is when the narcissist is shamed in public, in front of meaningful others or significant others. That creates a kind of snowball effect and the compensation and total disintegration of the narcissist personality and so on and so forth. I will not go into this. Please watch my videos on modification. There are two solutions to modification. One of them is known as the external solution, blaming others, assigning guilt to others, saying other people are evil, other people are malicious, other people have conspired against me. It's a bit of a paranoid solution, but not entirely. So the external solution to narcissistic modification demands or requires the perpetuation and nourishment of an eternal grudge. Because other people, there's a mechanism of splitting, other people are evil, other people with malevolent malign intent have conspired against me to humiliate me in public and so on and so forth. I can never forgive these people because this is their essence. Their wickedness is who they are. How can I forgive them? It would be an irrational thing to do to forgive them. And within the external solution to narcissistic modification, the narcissist generates or creates a narrative whereby he is the victim. It's a victimhood narrative. He is the victim of people who are unscrupulous, callous, ruthless, in other words psychopathic. The narcissist emphasizes the severe consequences the modification is had. He insists that it's a part of a pattern. People have been conspiring against him all the time, and especially these people, these wicked lot.  He emphasizes that as a victim he has lost much more than the perpetrator has gained, this is known as magnitude gap. And finally he claims that what has been done to him has been disproportional. The victimhood stance of the narcissist is so crucial to the management of his own internal world. And I've explained it in numerous other videos. So crucial that he chooses to maintain long-term grudges because these long-term grudges provide the proof, the evidence and the justification for his self-perception as an eternal victim. A victim that is innocent, a victim that bears no responsibility or contribution to what has been done to him, didn't have it coming and so on and so forth. Again, of course we are dealing with a splitting mechanism. As you can see, the narcissist has excellent psychodynamic reasons, psychological reasons, to maintain a grudge, not to get rid of it. To, on the very contrary, nourish it, make it flourish and thrive, make it take over the personality, because a grudge is an organizing principle. A grudge makes sense of the narcissist's life. It explains to the narcissist what's happening to him and what has happened to him. It also puts the narcissist, places the narcissist firmly in the camp of good against evil. It fulfills so many functions, it allows the narcissist to constitute or reconstitute his grandiosity, exact revenge, payback, justice, equity, vindication, restoring a sense of control over his life. Too many good reasons to hold a grudge and literally no reason to give up on the grudge. And this is why narcissists have a grudgeless day.


I'm Andrew Norton, Director of IID and I'm here to say a few words to introduce our new five-year strategy, Make Change Happen. We're excited about this. We've worked hard on the background to this, analysing the areas, the big global challenges where we feel IIDs should be active and can make a difference. We've consulted a lot with partners and stakeholders who we work with throughout the world. So there are five big global challenges around which we frame the strategy. One is increasing inequality. Another is the climate crisis. A third one is the global crisis of biodiversity loss or the assault on the natural world. Then there's the question of how urban transitions can be shaped in a period when most of the world's urban growth will be in the poorest countries with limited capacity. And finally, looking at the role of markets. Unsustainable markets are an issue. How can we turn them towards promoting green transitions that the world needs to see? In those areas we'll be looking at a range of things that we feel IID can make a real difference on. One is getting money where it matters, looking at how finance can be delivered to the frontline where people are dealing with the impacts of biodiversity loss and climate change. That's a key priority for us which runs across all of our programme areas. We will be driving forward our work with the least developed countries which IID has been known for that partnership over the last 20 years, particularly in the space of the global climate negotiations. We're now expanding that to work which looks at the governance of the high seas in the process looking at how biodiversity in the open oceans can best be protected. The LDCs run the risk that they don't get the voice that poor countries need in that process to protect poor coastal communities in particular. That will be a major focus for us. We'll also be looking at the issue of how urban transitions in a world where urbanisation will be concentrated in the poorest countries can be shaped both to be inclusive, to be beneficial for the societies where they take place, but also to be inclusive of mobile populations, whether refugees or migrants. And finally we'll be looking at the changes that need to occur in markets. How can private and public sector actors work together to promote the transitions to a more sustainable development pathway that we urgently need? We're committed to working to increase the resilience of the poorest communities, whether through working on land rights, through working on planning systems or through enhancing their voice in the policy processes that matter most to them. It's been a great experience working with IID staff and our key stakeholders to identify the areas where the special strengths that this organisation has can really make a difference from the local level to the global. We'd love you to look at the strategy to study the ideas that are presented here and to get back to us with ideas of the ways that we could work with you. So please join with us to make change happen.


So right now we're starting the maintainer forum. I'm really, really excited to be here and learning from everything's covering up everything else. To learn from these awesome contributors who've made some significant contributions to OpenClimitry. So let's go around and have each of our panelists introduce themselves starting with Tyler. Cool, yeah, not normally the first. So yeah, hi, I'm Tyler. I work at New Relic as a software engineer and I'm a maintainer of the GO special interest group of the SIG as we call it in the OpenClimitry project. And I've been working in OpenClimitry for just about a full year at this point, pretty much every day and working with these other wonderful folk in the community. I've also collaborated a lot with all these other people in the metric specification and the other sides of the specification as well. So I'm usually in a lot of different parts of the specification, well, infrequently, but yes. So yeah, that's kind of me and we'll probably dig into some more details as we go on. Thank you, Tyler. Tristan, can you go ahead and introduce yourself? Yeah, hi, I'm Tristan. I work at Postmates and I maintain the Erling and Elixir implementation SIG and I started with OpenClimitry, I guess over a year ago now, I was maintaining the Erling and Elixir OpenCensus implementation before that. And so I've segwayed into OpenClimitry when the projects were merged. Thank you so much. Tigran, can you go ahead and introduce yourself? Hi everyone, my name is Tigran. I'm an OpenClimitry maintainer and a technical committee member. I've been with OpenClimitry since the very beginning, actually before that, I've gotten consensus a little bit. Most of the work I do is on OpenClimitry collector and on the specification and primarily it's the tracing and blogging parts, a bit less so the metrics. Thanks, and Bogdan? Hi, my name is Bogdan. I'm one of the person that is guilty for all this mess that we created. When I was back in Google, I started the OpenCensus project as an open source initiative coming from Google. We did make a lot of contributions in that project and Tristan was part of that. Tigran was part of that effort. And then at one point we decided that, you know what? I think we are doing something wrong for the community. We are competing standards between OpenTracing and OpenCensus, as everyone know. And here we are, we are OpenClimitry and I'm very happy for this conference. It was great. Thank you so much, everyone. Thank you, and I'm Shelby Spees. I am a developer advocate at Honeycomb and I'm just here to help moderate and ask some questions, ask questions from the chat. I also want to mention that anyone who is a maintainer on OpenClimitry is encouraged to participate. So go ahead and raise your hand in Zoom and we can have you contribute and answer questions. So with that, I will share the first question. What has been your experience as an OpenClimitry maintainer and what are the challenges? Yeah, we can probably just start in the same order, I think is probably the best way. And then Bogdan can laugh at me, I guess. So, yeah, I think it's actually kind of ideal to kind of talk from my perspective, because unlike some of the other maintainers on this board, I didn't come from the world of already contributing and already building a census or OpenClimitry. In fact, I came from a world where I was using OpenCensus or using OpenClimitry or better to say evaluating as Bogdan kind of put out, there's a little bit of a, you know, which one, which you want to use. And it was extremely passionate about like this idea that having an open standard is really needed and the community I think can really benefit from it. And as I transitioned into contributing more into the project and to becoming eventually a maintainer for the GOSIG, it's just been really, I think, one that is a positive experience based on the community. I think Rachel Klein gave a great talk earlier, a little lightning talk about the community in general. And I think it kind of understates this fact, like the community itself is actually a really positive element about contributing in the open source world. And I've really appreciated that dynamic of it. It also moves at its own speed, which coming from a very close source world is not the speed that essentially I'm used to. So it's kind of fun to try to get up to that new kind of model of operating I think has also been really exciting. And then just to benefit from the immense knowledge that comes from these other maintainers and other collaborators and other contributors participating in a very awesome and hopefully impactful project going forward has been kind of the run I've had so far. Continuing on as I'm really excited about as well, but we'll get into that. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, and I think I have a unique perspective on maintainership in this because open, there wasn't ever an open tracing, Erlang elixir official API or anything. So there are dozens of them spread throughout. And when open telemetry started, since it was merging in open tracing, I spent a lot of time going through searching get hubs and package repos and Slack channels and finding all the people who maintain these open tracing elixir or Erlang implementations and asking them to join forces and try to drop theirs and push their users on to open telemetry. And we've been slowly moving forward with that and it's been pretty successful and people have been pretty happy to work together and we recently started the Erlang foundation and that's been a part of this. So yeah, a big challenge has been that consolidation but I think it's working out and it makes people feel more comfortable with the language with Erlang or Elixir use in their company because they see this CNCF project and with us involved and that they're able to integrate with the other, most companies aren't purely one or, you know, an Erlang or Elixir shop so they have to integrate with all these other languages and being able to work in this community with people implementing in other languages has been really useful towards that. Yeah, I was really excited to see that the Erlang or Elixir integration was one of the more mature ones because that's not always something you see in open source children, so awesome job there. So we have one question from the audience and I went ahead and edited my slide so everyone can see it. Let me try and be cool on the fly. That is not this one. How is the race towards a release candidate going in your SIG and what are the things that the community can do to help?  Yeah, that's a good question. I think we're doing pretty well in the specification SIG. We have just frozen the portion of the specification which defines how pricing is supposed to work. So we're very near the finish line for the specification and we know that the language maintainers, language SDK maintainers are also ready to give us the implementations according to the specification. I would say we are now very close to the finish line through 1.0 release. So I feel very good about what we have done so far with the pricing part and the metrics. Josh was talking about that earlier. It's coming pretty soon after that. So we're doing well in all of the regards here. That's my perspective. Yeah, I don't know if I can show you. I'm just going to jump in with that same question. Yeah, I think we're going along in the ghosting. I can speak specifically. Obviously, the metrics set of things in the specification is still a work in progress, but we are making progress on that. And so it's more, I think, from the ghosting's perspective, an interesting thing because now we are really coming to the end of the tracing specification saying, this is going to be the release candidate. So really go make it, implement the specification. Sounds cool. Like, well, now you're done essentially, but the truth of the matter is that it's the implementations of that specification and the language communities that we're going to be offering them to. The adoption needs to be something that they want to use, I think. And that, as a SIG author, is really critical to me at this point in time because there are always multiple ways to implement a solution. And sometimes they're better for that language than others. And I think that having feedback from the community that we're hoping to eventually give this out to is paramount at this point. Like, it's absolutely critical. And we're trying through many different ways of requesting feedback from forums or through other like direct access to other users to get some feedback into those language implementations and trying to iterate them on those fast going forward. But yeah, it's still a work in progress. And I think that we're going to be asking and trying to do a lot more of that going forward. I see one of my co-maintainers in the go SIG, Anthony jumped on as well, not to put him under the spotlight too much. But I think that he has a really great perspective as well because he came from a world as an end user. I think this was pointing that out in the chat. And so, like, really, I mean, we can have him talk a little bit. I'll throw him under the spotlight as well about that. Yeah, I'll add him to the... Oh, I can add him to the spotlight. There he is. So we can put him on the spot to answer his questions if that's okay, Anthony. Yeah, sure. Awesome. So yeah, as an end user, I came to the project, I think fairly early on, because we were just starting a new application development project where we expected developments going to last two to three years. And we were looking at how do we instrument this and we saw, well, open tracing and open census are they're coming together, they're merging. So two to three years from now, when we're ready to go into production with this, they're not going to be there. I guess that means we ought to get in early on this open telemetry thing. And so we did. I dove in to start figuring out how the Go SDK worked. Might have been a bit early because I think the first time I tried to do the Hello World example, the documentation had changed between the time that I pulled the code and the time that I went to look at the documentation to see what I tried to do from the example wasn't working. But things have gotten a bit better from there. And the community was incredibly welcoming. So as soon as I jumped into the getter and started asking questions and saw that there were gaps in the capabilities that the instrumentation had that I could offer, offer up, you know, help with the HTTP instrumentation and things like that. Everybody was incredibly receptive to the help. And that just kind of one thing led to another of, you know, starting to review other people's pull requests becoming a reviewer and approver. And now here I am trying to help get it across the finish line to become an RC and then a GA. I would like to say first of all, thank you to all maintainers, all approvers and all contributors to this project without this would not be here. Secondly, I think at this moment, it's very critical for us when we talk about RC, when we talk about GA, that now more and more end users will help by trying our project. I think even though you don't do PRs contributions, helping us by using our work and trying our APIs, our implementation and provide feedback is probably more valuable at this point than anything else. So please help. If you, if you want to help with this, it will be greatly appreciated. Yeah. And the early electric thing we're nearing, you know, completion with the tracing API and SDK. And so when people have been coming and asking about how they can help, I usually say, can you write examples and put them up on GitHub so that we can point people to running examples. That's a really good place to help out. Thank you so much. And definitely like, I was really excited to see the talks this morning on just how to how to get involved and how welcoming the community is. And from from what I've been learning, you know, just the past like six, eight months of being even aware of the open telemetry community. I'm really excited to dive in and start contributing in my own way. So thanks everyone for just, you know, making the community so great. Let me pull up my next question. Share. So how can users provide feedback to maintainers and to the community in general? Like what, what is the best way to go about that? I will take this first just because Tyler was give him a moment to laugh at me. Sharing this experience. So first of all, I think I saw during the life of this project different ways to give feedback. I saw certain people coming writing some small Google Docs or whatever some documents with the, which incorporate the feedback and share that with us. That's a very, very nice way. And I think we, we treated all of them very seriously. And I think we, from there we filed issues and so on. So we, we took that in consideration. And I think Go has a good experience with that. Tyler can, can explain more about that. The other, the other way that I saw people doing this is via issues. So simply create issues with, with your, with your problem, with your feedback, try to, to, to explain the problem that you are trying to solve and try to, to give actionable item out of that issue. So somehow, how we can help. I think overall any channel, any way that trans, that, that makes a transfer or translation from, from your head to our head is good. It doesn't matter how it is. As long as we transferred this information, somehow it's, it's very good. And I'm, I'm happy with any way, but some, some other maintenance may have other preference, but. Yeah, thank you. And from what my understanding is there's, there's the Gitter, Gitter channels for each language and, and the different SIGs and as well as the CNCF channels, is that like sort of year round that you can participate in the CNCS Slack and ask questions there. The GitHub repositories, opening issues there. But yeah, I've certainly had my moments where I'm just like, man, I can make a list and just some Google doc and share that with somebody is here. Here are all the things that I want help with. Or I'd like to help improve. So that's good to know that we don't have to. Yeah. Just to clarify one thing. Yeah, we're using the CNCF Slack for the duration of the KubeCon conference, but we typically don't hang out too much on it. Gitter's after KubeCon. Gitter's better. After GA, we may migrate to Slack. There's a bunch of discussions about that, but we don't want to pull the trigger on that quite yet. Sure. Good to know. Thank you for clarifying. One, one small comment on Gitter usage. Please use the public rooms. The direct messages, they are, they are not visible to anyone else. Obviously you'd want to use that. It's something you want to keep confidential. Otherwise, please use the public room. So there's the visibility for everyone else. Others can participate as well. And, and you can, you're also very welcome to come to the Seed Meetings. They are open for participation. They are great for live discussion. If you have something that you would like to both give feedback and also discuss that. So that's a great setting to come and talk to people who are working on the particular Seed. That's, that's all. Language Seeds, the Collector Seed, the Specifications Seeds. Apologies. I had the wrong window clicked. Technical difficulties. Here's my next question though. I know, I know lots of people have been talking about this today, but my question started out as how do you see open telemetry evolving over the next year? But I think I really want to know is what, what's the most excited, most exciting evolution, besides GA or besides your release candidate that you're excited about in this upcoming year?  So I think one of the things I'm most excited about is seeing what the end user community does once they've got a GA release that they feel comfortable taking and running with. We've got a lot of great instrumentation that's been added to the Go contrib repo, but I think it covers just a tiny slice of what's out there. And so I'm really interested to see how people instrument other libraries, what libraries they instrument, and where it goes once we hit that real taking off point of having a GA release. I'd like to expand a bit on what Anthony said. I think it's very important for us, one point always released to focus on our attention on actually making open telemetry popular. We want open telemetry to be widely used, right? I want to, I personally want to see every software library, every piece of popular software, database management system, web frameworks to have to be instrumented by open telemetry, right? And so that that instrumentation is also maintained as a first class capability by the authors of the library and the framework. Obviously, this is a very big goal, right? It will take years to be there, but I think it's very important for us, maintainers, contributors to open telemetry to think about this and make this out of our vision. We want to make sure that open telemetry is attractive to developers. It's easy to use. So we need to spend time on popularizing open telemetry to sell it to developers. It is very important. To follow up on that, do you know of any framework developers, framework maintainers who are involved in open telemetry or who are using open telemetry on their frameworks? As far as I know, .NET has plans to open telemetry. .NET shipped with open telemetry or a subset of open telemetry to keep adding new functionality. The other, by the way, another work that we did was with the Spring community, with the Spring Slute community, thanks to Margin, one of the maintainers of the Spring Slute tracing artifact there. He made a huge contribution. So most likely, I don't know if it's already released or it's going to be released this week or something like that. The new Spring Slute will include the open telemetry as well as one of the options there. Additionally, go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to catch up. I think we also have contributions in the Go Redis library itself directly, which is a really awesome thing to see. It's pretty cool just to see a very organic adoption at that level. That's in addition to all the contrib repos that are essentially plug-in models, which have also seen contributions from outside developers to help progress those. So you're getting a lot of community involvement there as well. Yeah, for me, I'm excited to see more vendor adoption as in early in the lecture, it's always been, you write just enough to support a vendor that you want to ship to and that's all you get because vendors never write integrations for us. And now it'll be a different world when vendors are adopting open telemetry and we're able to use hopefully most all of their features through it, which will be a very different world and I think it'll get a lot of adoption coming in from our big frameworks and Elixir, the Phoenix framework to start using these vendors and tools. Yeah, talking about vendors, this is a good point. I'm starting to see more and more vendors trying to make the canonical way or recommended way to be open telemetry, which means more and more contributions will come to the project because once vendors start selling this, they have to contribute more, they have to make it more robust, they have to increase quality and everything. So I think this is definitely a good point. I also want to see next year, maybe a world where different frameworks or independent projects like the one you pointed, Tyler, the goal already is different other projects starting to instrument themselves and take the dependency on these and see how that world will become and if that will become a better world or not. I hope it will be. Yeah, I just kind of wanted to go back to the original question of also how we see it evolving. I think we've done a really good job talking about how we see the code evolving. But I'd love to kind of just follow on what Bogdan was kind of leading into it. I'd love to see that community become bigger and continue on in its path to inclusivity that we try to engender in our community. I think that's a really awesome thing. I think we're really excited to just help in whatever way I possibly can and to facilitate that. Thank you so much. Go for it. Thanks for it. One last thing is also there's some work going on in logging and that won't be part of the release candidate or GA process that we have planned for Traces and Metrics. But next year we are going to see logs arrive for open telemetry later in the year and that's also quite exciting. And then we have a question for the audience. I'd love to get some answers in the chat. What do people want to see from the project in the next year that you haven't heard about today? What is something that you're just itching for for the maintainers to start prioritizing? Well, I know my answer is more sort of like three materials or like helping people especially whether you're developers or infrastructure engineers or whatever you probably haven't had to think about instrumentation this way before or a lot of people don't have experience with this sort of thing and what I found in the observability community is we're very good at talking about instrumentation, we're very good about talking about telemetry and most of our end users don't think about that every day, right? And so we tend to be very focused on that part and less able to reach out to the people who've this isn't their day-to-day work and now I'm seeing lots of answers in the chat so I will read those a lot. So Liz Funjones, my colleague feels that we need to do more telemetry workshops now that the API is stable and that's something that we've been working on Austin and Liz do the open telemetry workshop, they've given that I know several other people in the community have done that Josh McDonald who spoke earlier wants more logging when we reach GA This is an inside joke This is an inside game Sorry Short explanation he always pushes us to focus on GA and ignore other things and then later we can talk about other things which is good don't get me wrong Jonathan wants more stories on onboarding your organization and I would love that especially Anthony I know you shared your experience already but anyone else who can share your experience getting your organization to adopt open telemetry that would be awesome feel free to unmute and chime in and then also more open source projects and planting hotel more framework authors using GA would be fantastic I can say from the end user perspective and getting an organization onboard the two things that I found critical were one, making it as easy as possible for the developers to get started and I think some of the vendors are starting to go down this path with the distributions concept of here's an easy way to get everything configured I ended up internally writing a set of libraries that made it easy for you to hand us an HTTP handler and you get back a server that is instrumented and all of the trace providers and metric providers are configured for you so it becomes very easy for a developer to take an existing service and get it onboarded and the second thing is showing them the value, showing them why they want to go in and add their own custom spans and attributes to those spans and for me I think the most benefit I got was during the sprint demos we were working on some backend services and things were fairly opaque to the end users but I was able to say okay you had a question about how this was working and why this happened I can now show you here's a Yeager waterfall view where I can show you all of the things that this request did while it was processing and here's how it ended up getting to that result and not only the end users but also the developers and we're like oh yeah that makes it a lot easier for us to talk about what this thing is doing so then they were much more willing to engage with adding their own spans and attributes in the appropriate places thank you Anthony and we have I think this is a question documentation on concurrency in open telemetry and exporters for database backends can someone speak to that Tyler, yeah I can take a stab I think this is in the ghost space just based on some terminology and some of the known issues that we have there in the github org so one of our things is obviously in go it's a very concurrent language and in a lot of other languages like concurrency patterns are really important for performance let alone just overall programmability and support across other applications I think that we've definitely tried to bake that sort of things in API but maybe we could also try to make that a little clear for end users perspective and then when it comes to database backends in go there's a very long sending issue we're trying to provide a very good support for databases this is going to be a really important part of the long standing application interactions so we want to make sure that open telemetry has a really good story there so yeah Raj that's a great request hopefully a year's time from now we're going to have a great story for you on both of those things and I have a question I didn't write it down but what advice would you give to work for open source platforms or vendor platforms for implementing native OTLP ingest if you want to start supporting open telemetry for users more easily like how can on the product side like how can you prioritize OTLP is a good idea we want to support that natively and then what advice would you give for actually sitting down and implementing it what should people expect I'll take that on the tracing side I would say it's relatively straightforward because the mental model of the traces or spans in OTLP is quite similar to what other protocols are using Yeager or consensus there is no mismatch or surprising new semantics or concepts or very little of anything that is completely new in OTLP traces portion of it if you're especially if you're familiar with a particular protocol you can have a look at the translations code in the OTLP technology collector which will show you precisely how for example Yeager concepts map to OTLP OTLP concepts for traces for metrics it's a bit more complicated if you were in the presentation that Josh gave earlier there is going to be more complications particularly coming from the fact that there is more new types of metrics available in open telemetry and then corresponding to the in OTLP which have different semantics so that may require your back hand to be expanded to support those types those types of metrics I think we will have more clarity on that when the specification on the metrics is finalized and the metrics it will have also probably the recommendations and definitely there will be clear semantic definitions in the specification what the particular metric types are intended to reflect and that will drive your implementation in the metric portion of OTLP my two cents here by the way if somebody would start a completely new open source back end for all these three pilers that we produce metrics, traces, logs I would encourage them to start thinking from the what we call resource perspective so model from resource and then from there they can use their imagination to build the UX experience but that would be just a free advice for somebody who wants to build the new open source I think it's a pretty cool concept that you have a notion of a resource and you can see metrics, traces and logs that belong to the same entity in one place that's a really good answer thanks both of you for giving such a detailed answer and I think both on the vendor side and on the open source side we're going to see more people jumping at the opportunity to support open telemetry natively because it's been so rewarding just learning more about this community and seeing how all these people who should be competitors working together toward this common goal of just making our data more accessible and easier to manage so I'm going to wrap it up there and I think I can hand it off to Liz and Todd for closing remarks thanks to all our panelists and maintainers who hopped on and I'll hand it off to Liz hey thank you for moderating both panels this afternoon Shelby you did a really great job


So we're here with a shift crypto security. Hi, so who are you? My name is Elvis. I'm representing shift crypto security a producer of hardware wallets For Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. So what are you showing here? This is Bitbox O2 Which is coming into versions to the market As a bitbox O2 multi-edition supporting Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum and EOC20 tokens And it comes also in a Bitcoin only version supporting Of course only Bitcoin. So let's check. What where are you connecting that? It's meant to be desktop hardware wallet, but we are also preparing in in the future the mobile wallet which is Thanks to the Mail USB-C connector. So you have a display. Yes. What is this size and resolution here? Is it OLED? It's OLED display So it triggers on type C Yes, that's the only USB-C mail connector hardware wallet on the market Which opens the mobile app? And And then you have this app is not available yet. Password. Yes The password entry is as shown on the video super easy The demo password for me is A and Then I have to enter the passphrase Which for demo proposes is B for me. I need to reconfirm it so You just unlock your crypto wallet and we're gonna see how many bitcoins you have No, because I Have hidden my balance. Yeah, you put this somewhere else. No, so right here We see the Bitcoin Bitbox app so the Bitcoin wallet, which is the same as a desktop wallet in the mobile version Back by on the mobile device and the private keys are safely stored on the hardware wallet so This is one of your little wallet solutions, but it's where do we look at it here? digital apps Our partners hack zero device Hey, hey, so who are you Carol? I'm working for their I'm not just shift-crit guy. I'm working for their digital is based on in Tokyo and we are digital development Division company called digital garage and I'm improving deep improving to a Bitcoin Technology, so this is what is this? What is it related with the Bitcoin here? It's kind of the Hodo thing and what you don't know Hodo Yeah, it's Kind of the big inside of this they're a full node of the Bitcoin and writing node Or so and we can pay From here to the other Box by Bitcoin so we can control from there this kind of Point of sales stuff and with a smartphone. We can pay by Bitcoin anywhere So you have a what's what's the collaboration that you're doing? so shift crypto is a hardware producer also of beatbox base and This is the business not for mining not This is for full note full note. It's a full node validation proposes. Yes All right, when what's running is it like an arm CPU? It's a rock pro 46. So this is rock chip 3 3 9 9 throw maybe whatever 46 And this is the alternative digital apps alternative or of beatbox base, right? Nice our hardware and their software solution including btc pay server. So what's the hardware here? And this is what btc pay server logo, which is used on digital apps hack zero. Oh This is big guy Hey, so who are you? I'm Nicolador. Yeah, I'm a creator of btc pay server, which is a open source project You were maybe So what does that do the open source? Yeah, so so the basic idea is The ethos of Bitcoin is like you should not have the need of a third party Payment processor to accept your payment in Bitcoin and This open source project is basically giving The tools for a merchant to accept Bitcoin without like having the need of any any third party basically But how's it going so far the Bitcoin systems are already doing the peer-to-peer kind of Authentication systems, right? Yeah, how is this different? How does it improve or is it already part of the whole ecosystem? Yeah, so Like right now if you are a merchant and you don't use you don't use any software like accepting Bitcoin payment It's kind of complicated because at what rate you need to choose like how do you record your transactions? This kind of problems actually, so it's not it's not that simple. So Basically here like if internet Runs well So in these boxes like he what he was explaining there is a big control node plus the TCP server on top of it and The idea is that the the merchant can just plug it to his local network And then he can very easily like set up a small Page like this so if the connection works right like Just a classical So that means the authentication happens faster than going through The cloud and waiting for all this stuff or no, what what does it help with? Yeah, so Well, so one of the things so one of the thing you tell if you are merchants like Set it setting all that up basically if you don't do that it's pretty complicated Pretty complicated like most of the time use Merchant she's using like big pay or like this kind of payment processor And actually it's very complicated because they asked lots of questions about KYC. So you have to tell them like You know authenticate yourself give them confidential information to set that up. So it's pretty complicated The idea here is really They plug the box to the network then they have an address they can surf on the web and It connects directly they can do it themselves. They can do it themselves. Yes, and that's the idea in the part of Yes, so this means you're doing this whole platform in a way that's open source Yes, so you run in here. So this is the Linux. Yeah, so here It's a so it can run on multiple system right here. It's a rock 64, but it can run a Raspberry Pi Lots of user or so hosting it inside Cloud services or like a virtual private servers like you have really lots of choice of hosting it and like what we are so DG lab is kind of experimenting and So this the combination of hardware we are using we have been advised by Shift crypto so we are using the same hardware that they they are using for their own box here So we are using the same hardware by base is just that we put different software on it So is this market that's exploding right now or it's what is it going blowing up? Is it like growing so yeah, it's it's good It's growing, but we're still at the beginning on this kind of devices. So it has been re growing on the by hosting on servers like like for example on the Lunar node on the Microsoft Azure or like Yeah on virtual private server, but we don't really like virtual private server because it means that you need to one more intermediary You know you need to pay them like seven dollars a month To keep your server your server alive With this at least You know the idea is they really they just have to plug it in then when networking just work So that's what we are trying to achieve It exploded on server on internet, but we try to bring it closer to the to the merchant basically


Hi everyone, Joe for jazzy's casebreaks.com with a brand new release, the debut of 2019-2020 Panini Clearly Donnerous Basketball, six box, half case, pick your team number two, which is the second half of the case that Jason Jazzy popped open a little bit earlier today. Big thanks to all of these wonderful people here for getting into the action, pick your team two, still got some teams left in pick your team three, check it out, and random team three coming up right after this break in a separate video if you're looking for that. So a lot of Clearly Donnerous happening. This is my first look at it, got four packs for box, five cards for pack, we're looking for clearly rated rookie autographs, debut edition, and even more than the autographs, I think the even like the parallels and stuff should go for a lot, especially if you get like a low numbered parallel. So when you, an all card ship too, so when you get these, just be sure to take a look at just look up on a secondary market what some of your, even your base cards could go for. I love that sort of, that this acetate look I think I really like too. All right, let's see what we got, Aaron Jackson, Trey Young, wow, and right out of the gate, a one of one, Carl Anthony Towns, that's Jorge, there you go, one of one, I was just saying how the parallels could have some incredible value, and there it is, nice. Out of five's and under, get the train whistle, all aboard the big hit express, it's a nice start. And Gordon all cleared for takeoff insert, Lucas Samanich, Kasey Okpala, Steph Curry, there's a base car on the intense, now that you have the one of one Jorge, I feel like you could like make, you know, you're welcome, I feel like you could make a rainbow now, the one of one is the hardest one to get, right? Maybe now you got a base card too, you know, maybe you can make the whole rainbow, the whole set. That'd be pretty cool. All right, here's the next one. Let's see what we got here. Oladipo, Nicianus, and then, and out of 49, Eric Pascal raided rookie for the warrior, Sean Maddock, nice Kobe White raided rookie, so you can get an idea of what, that's a really cool design I think, I don't know, I'm always a sucker for like high tech and these acetate products, so grading can be a little difficult on these guys, but these are always pretty fun. Surface grades are always, always the tough one. Nice LeBron James, that's for the Lakers, Matt Lever. Thanks LeBron, if you're watching, appreciate it, appreciate the championship being delivered to LA, maybe one more? I don't know how many years LeBron has left on this contract. Next box. Also, every card here in Clearly Donner's will be sleeped, and then the slightly more significant cards will be sleep and top loaded. That'll try to keep these cards as clean as possible. All right, there's Hachimura, nice, kind of hard to see right there, but that's 19 out of 25, there's his teammate, Scofield, Stargazing, James Harden, and is that our first autograph it is, it's Jaylen Horde, Trailblazers, as you notice, not every box has an auto. The autos are few and far between, this is really more of a parallel chase, which a few years ago, the parallels, nobody cared about them, but nowadays sometimes some of them could be even more than the autographs. Trailblazers, Chris, Chris D with that, and there's Hachimura right there for Patrick, a lot of upside for him, and Jason Tatum is D'Angelo Russell, Terrence Davis, and Brandon Clark. There we go, oh hey, no worries, no worries at all, Bogey, that is a nice Hachimura. I think there was a couple of Bays in there too, obviously those will all go to you as well. Yeah, this is Picker Team 2, what are you making us, Josh, what's for dinner? 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With a roasted red pepper sauce, I hope you made enough for all of us, there's about 40 people watching right now, we're all expecting a plate, a serving, Jackson Hayes behind the RJ Barrett and nice Luca Donic, that's pretty cool, nice second year Donic going to Dallas, that'll be for Josh Reich, two more to go, Josh, so in the next break is going to be the random team break of this from a fresh case, jaskyscasebrakes.com, I'll give you my serving if I draw him to heat in the random team break, I don't know if I could, I don't have control over that, you might have to send a serving, you might have to send a plate to random.org, I think they're located in Ireland, check out the about section on random.org kind of right side up, upside down, see how it's going to be, there's a mafondue, Donovan Mitchell all clear for takeoff, where does Chris Paul end up, and the final box coming up, a cascade noticing a pattern, the third card in each pack seems to be either the parallel or or a hit, there's the Yanis and we've got an autograph, nice RJ Barrett, that's a nice hit for the New York Knicks, Adam with that one, Adam Enn, and of course the Yanis is nice too, I think there were a couple for the Bucks, Derwin, there's Goga, Townhorn Tucker, Brandon Ingram, looks like a little bit, see that's why the surface is a little rough on these acetate cards, trying to slide through these as softly as possible, is that Zion, here's DeAndre Hunter, 29 out of 49 for the Hawks, and it is Zion Williamson, rated rookie acetate card for the Pelicans, Jesse Garcia with the Pels, I wonder how much these base ones are going for on a secondary market, yes Josh actually everything will be sleeved, everything will be sleeved, there you go, that Zion's about 100-200 bucks is Josh, same with the John Morant, nice that's not so not too shabby at all, and there you go and LeBron James at the end, and there you go ladies and gentlemen that was a quick little break, six-box half-case picker team two, Panini clearly Donneress basketball, it's debut, so there's more in the store check it out on jazpescasebreaks.com and we'll break more with you next time, buh-bye


And I must say he was very well briefed on the topic and we were able to discuss many important issues around how it's going to impact all countries around the world, how it's going to impact is going to have on how we deliver health care, the impact is going to have on jobs and how a country like India should embrace those opportunities. UPI is a wonderful example of how India can do things itself and really create a world-leading product and that probably is the future of currency and so that's a great start, a great example of how India's innovation can drive huge amounts of business, huge amounts of prosperity.