something but in reality he's trying to get access to his wife right which why would Grace have that information just just help me out we'll be able to get that information she doesn't know where Becca is but she's just going to use her sources yeah it's that soft I'm government person I didn't get information there's a plot need it I got it you think what would have that under the most of wraps the most even with like fake places that she's not actually in just to keep the main one secret although can I can I point out that the facility where Becca's being held is being enclosed by a big 40 foot black wall that probably extends a couple miles wouldn't that probably I don't know you'd have nearby people thinking hey why is there Mordor over on the right hand side at that point I guess we can just be critical of being retarded enough to have it so that it can easily be spotted or it wasn't easily spotted in the middle of some distant forest or something and it's just unfortunate that Grace had access to the information it's like alright then yeah I mean you got me so more of the deep talking to his gills I believe I believe they sing a song yeah it goes on for long oh that was something it was funny he's like tripping out in shrooms and he's angry and he wants out of the room they lock the deep in his room you can't get out it is a wooden door with your standard lock and for some reason the deep can't get through it it's like a bunch of windows maybe the shrooms reduce his powers temporarily that must be it maybe he has a shroom allergy oh yeah which doesn't, that's not how doors work it's a weird door to have a lock on as well that's their drug room they tend everyone to be enlightened by themselves they did the same thing at the end of Enola Holmes she gets locked inside of the house they walk in through the front door and they turn around like two seconds later and it's locked and they can't get out you do realize that doors lock from the inside and they did the same thing in this show too it's just the plot needs them to not use the door so is it the archer's place or is it deep's place I think it's archer's place maybe he's got a specially designed door just for this yeah this is their drug room yeah cause they're like oh he's got to work through it they can't let him out but he's a superhero but okay so yeah I think yeah we're already next to the supertism so scenario you got Stormfront chilling out and she has a bag that's gonna be important and Starlight is just having a chat with her and then Gekko the guy she's got that deal with comes up and he just he just hands her the pack that has compound v in it in vort he just has it he gets that how he gets that well he just apparently stole it from the lab but I don't see how you could possibly get away with that that's like it's five million dollars a pop how do you manage to do that I feel like there'd be so many levels of security on that thing and he's just a test subject he's not like someone I assume who regularly accesses it but let's just say he does I still don't get how you can steal that yeah there's gonna be cameras everywhere there's gonna be searches after you leave the area I mean even leaving certain secure areas you're going to be searched for stuff like this there's no way that he gets out with this um and to give her this in vort tower when she's right next to right there Stormfront by the way let's see if I can get the shot this fucking blew my mind because I wanted to know because she comes back into frame a little bit later let's see if I can I should probably watch a copy right there sorry um so uh when we see stormfront again she's got some food look how far away stormfront is let me I'll get you the uh screenshot as well guys fucking insane that the gecko and starlight would either of them would ever think that this is a good plan I think starlight is surprised that he's doing this but yeah he's a fucking idiot it's basically like we can't do this here yeah but they of course they they wanted to happen here because something else happens and that is a train was spying on it he zooms up to it to ask her what's in her boot rather than grabbing what's in her boot which he does later yeah really good job a train he speeds up she's literally just put it in her boot and he's like hey what did you put in your boot it's like you're fucking speedsters grab it and um yeah he just speculates for a while and then uh he so rather than spying on her to know that she did it this time he watches her put it in a bag and doesn't know what happens there's absolutely this scene was infuriating there is no no way that he could not have seen it when she's trying to put the bag inside of her boot she has to bend over in order to get it in there like right there and then when she's walking over to the bag just like does her arm just grow and like an extra foot and she can reach down into her boot to take it out like it just does like I know what they were doing but it just doesn't make any sense yeah it's fucking over like she's caught and somehow this works but unfortunately it's Stormfront's bag so Stormfront picks it up and takes it away and of course that'll be resolved toward the end but yeah a train what the hell is a train doing it's like if your goal is to catch her out you already have the information you need what are you doing yeah and it's like oh he wants to know what a current plan is I guess like yeah I mean as opposed to just getting her out just getting captured but of course we gotta wait because the show is operating as though he's already been blackmailed but he hasn't been blackmailed yet well Stormfront needs to have her seen where she talks about oh you know don't let people walk all over you so that she can be like strong woman it is this episode oh no I mean about saying homelander will get bored oh boy so yeah the mum goes to the like I guess the outskirts of the facility and she even speaks to someone on the phone and they're like just put up with homelander hopefully he'll get bored that's their plan it's like mind blowing the vault don't seem to give a shit again if you were like what can they do they could evac them whenever homelander's busy with some kind of press tour but they don't um I guess we gotta cover that isn't there the reasoning it's like oh he's gonna find them anyways again so we just don't know anything but that's the plan of the finale so fuck it what do you even find him anyway he didn't find them anyway he found it from having to interrogate somebody so like if the logic is well it's like so what do we do guys just give up oh well fuck it homelander's always gonna ruin our plan it's like good job what a wangus I tell you man vort just they're reminding me of the first order which is not good um they are maven gf having a back forth I think we kind of went over that and then homelander trying to connect to his son um but even the son's finding him super weird and then this is what I find to be funny where the mum is like get the fuck out of here and he's just like no yep that was never gonna work but alright it's also pretty lucky that the son didn't hear that since he may well have super hearing and he's right well normal hearing might be able to get you that normal hearing yeah she walked up to the door uh so the plan begins we've mounted up with uh I think they've got pistols and a trunk rifle ready to capture this guy meanwhile kimiko staying silent as the grave when they're all essentially hunting her brother who may very well kill them when he sees them obviously except for her she knows how dangerous he is very fucking stupid but hey whatever um we find out that the people who have him in this building are the people who fucked her up in the first place question mark I think she kills one of them and it's like yeah yeah and so uh lucky for them she gets to him first and she establishes that they're cool all the boys see it so threat neutralized everybody we're great we're gonna be fine um entrance butch so butcher is like you know what nah we gotta tranquilize him anyway and I'm guessing the only argument you can make here is the butcher doesn't want to make friends with this guy he wants to capture him to get to to give him up but but you let me say butch now that's his sister over there the superhero she's probably not going to be happy with you doing this and even if you turn her to friend she's not going to be happy about that it's like what is your plan here you fucking no no plan shoot shoot and so yeah despite knowing this butcher goes for the shot uh he we fucks it up which of course he should because what the fuck are you doing butcher but unfortunately this the telekinetic takes that as an attack as he should and he brings the whole fucking store down on him well yeah a lot of it baffling scene uh because it all hangs on butch have been an idiot which you're going to be hearing us say a lot throughout these sort of episodes god damn hello so someone said uh does she know how dangerous he is um you're referencing the telekinetic they saw him pick up a ship and throw it so yeah uh yeah she does care about frenchy so there you go really annoying scene and then uh oh we cut back to the whole situation with stormfront as fringy said she she gives some a bit of a bit of a chat that's like perfectly good in terms of like I think at this point we were like this stormfront character is not too bad because we were blissfully unaware of what they were planning on doing with it we didn't know anything about the comics either so we were just like you know she says she's a little edgy but she says some stuff that's kind of meaningful you know it's neat and um it inspires starlight which we will see what what that means in a moment she takes back the compound v and puts it back in her boot luckily a train is not watching her this time like I guess because he's he's selective with that sort of thing not that it matters and then um uh butcher tells hui to fuck off and the implication there is like you're out of the team almost and then like it's her brother like butcher what the fuck it's her brother like why why are you still trying to do what you're doing and then he's like wouldn't you uh you know still take this guy down to say to be back with your family mm and and and they're all like uh hmm dodgy uh and then he's he tells them that it's all in aid of getting back to back because back is still alive which for some reason is good enough for them yeah uh so when you have one of your team members beloved is in trouble I don't think it's it makes sense for your team to decide okay at the sacrifice of one of our beloveds we will save yours it's like that seems contradictive actually like that's probably not equal exchange and so they just like yep let's do it we gotta go have to find him let's hope kibiko is okay with this which lucky for them like we're almost there um so he tells them that's going on and they decide yep so they're gonna go find them I guess chat you're welcome to let me know how they're planning on finding them because I can else yeah go ahead can I also point out that if butcher actually had I think his name is mouse whatever her brother if butcher actually had killed her uh killed him rather kill him was it a trink though it didn't look yeah yeah it was I was curious I checked it it's definitely a trink rifle because the the point isn't to kill him is to give him up to the uh I keep wanting to say CIA versus FBI it's one of those yeah one of those alphabets oops people okay never mind then because I was gonna say if he did actually kill her the kill him then Kimiko would have just ripped his face off that's why I appealed immediately to butcher what are you doing if you knock him out and try to give him up Kimiko's gonna be like fuck you of course like yeah she's not gonna let him do that it's a bizarre bow at a butcher's brain just stops working in order to uh make it happen because of course we need this uh coming action scene we're about to get there but first uh we have Starlight in Vort Tower texting here we go that she's uh she's got she's got it and she's gonna fucking it's just like I don't get we're already losing it it's like why would you do anything in Vort Tower how are the cameras not everywhere like what fucking super dangerous but then of course a train pops up and uh he actually this time takes it out of your boot he's got it and he's like wow you got compound V like so whatever your plan is I'm gonna go expose it you're done now I I would normally just roll out the problem with this scene but I don't know if anyone else wants to take it I don't want to talk too much like he already checked it and found that there was no I mean how big problem is like it's over it's you're done Starlight loses if he knows that you've stolen compound V he can just immediately run off tell somebody about it um and and it's over you know she's out she's probably dead um and then I think she immediately pivots to like I'm gonna tell them about I think it was pop claw that was yeah they pivots to pop or it and immediately it's like a train killer and just run through a killer well do it wait wait so the the evidence right so let's just say the five of us are on a jury and she's got him in court now uh she says a train killed pop claw more like what's your evidence my goodness well you see evidence um several syringes were put in her at once do you really think she would have done that to herself right that's that's evidence one and we all go hmm yeah that does seem kind of weird yeah maybe hmm okay evidence two one of the syringes pierced or scratched or whatever the bone actually went into the bone so oh yeah she had access to the autopsy report well we're getting there so she that so that's evidence two right so someone did this to her and you know what the five of us like yeah okay agreed someone did do that to her it was a train okay I don't know it's like well I can provide motive you like go it's like well they were dating and uh they she made a deal with some people that a train hates with compound v so he was angry to and then it a train says no and then that's it so hmm and who is vote going to try and cover up out of these two the one who is loyal to them or the one who is clearly trying to destroy them it's like okay so yeah she's got nothing is the point we're trying to make you and he treats it as though it's the smoking gun he's fucked he has to he has to go on with it now he can't do anything else and we've already covered it up like it's already established that they did cover it up but of course it weird that she even had access to this forensic report that bought this file yeah like why would vote letter have access to it and why would vote even report anything weird I would not write anything down yeah that's clearly suicide our forensics team said suicide la la la bye bye bye yeah and then they just keep these files around just you know for just good it just could record keeping really you know and and and all of this happens because if a train leaves her alone temporarily once vote gets outed it becomes much harder for him to actually yeah get her trouble and that's the reason this happened is because they wanted their scenes and the cherry on top of this whole wonderful scene is he gives her the V back yeah yeah just keeping it not in keeping it yeah even if you believe she has full blackmail on you you don't have to give the he back you fucking idiot everyone with this I guess it's all good all he needed to do was just run through and be like yeah she was going to expose you see look this compound v she took it from down oh yeah lab blackmail that guy free he's right so of course if her claim is true and she had unequivocal evidence that he did it and it's in this forensic report then just kill her and then destroy the forensic report yeah which is not hard for him to do apparently he has good access to reports and files that are kept squirreled away I don't think that I don't even need to do that sorry I don't think a train actually can kill her because she's she has invulnerability and she can not invulnerable she's not out by a 50 cal and apparently homelander can well remember the 50 cal the 50 cal knocked her to the ground so I think a train is strong enough to snap her neck I I can't believe that he wouldn't be able to yeah I'm pretty certain you could kill her but even if not all the other points stand but yeah even if you can kill her he can still run away and expose her and then she's done even at the at the end of the scene though I like I have to ask what what has progressed like at the beginning of the episode we have a scene between the two right after right after he recovers right like he's playing they have a little scene where they don't trust each other and they both have blackmail on each other right she knows that he has he has been using compound B and he knows that she is in cahoots with the boys and what happened at the end of season one then we have a secondary scene of these two together where once again they don't trust each other and really nothing happens he doesn't you know he suspects are doing something extra bad I suppose I don't know how you get worse than traitor but you know whatever and then we have this third scene here again where the where the result is nothing like there's no change between these two characters at the beginning they don't trust each other they have blackmail information on each other we get another one and then we get a third one and it's a same thing like they just repeat it again and again like what is the only thing that changes that storm front gave an inspiring speech and so now well I've seen a lot of people he's inspired say that this season could have been condensed into you know X episodes really not my main issues at all like the idea of wasted time I completely understand the complaint but I'm so much more focused on how tizm the right in is I can see people say that that a train can't kill a baby a train can run through a human being and be fine and not like cut up at all he's strong he just resilient himself he has to be resilient he can't run at those speeds without being resilient I mean he doesn't have to necessarily just run through her he just run into her also can you throw something at her really fucking fast didn't uh didn't starlight get tranquilized or not tranquilized but knocked out when she got captured by a black noir knocked her out yeah so she can be knocked out also if you drop her in a volcano what happens yeah I don't know grab her before she can even do anything and I'm sorry like what if you grab her foot and just run like you know with her just go I was just slamming around all over the place like I have to imagine that would do a lot to her or just yeah like again super speed characters really powerful yeah I think I feel like a lot of stuff forgets that if you're really fast you're kind of are like the best hero that it can stop you we've talked before speeds is a problem that they're so powerful uh you gotta really careful having them as long as you're clear on how they work like you'll I guess they're close to time travel in terms of how complicated you have to make sure you set your rules yeah I did see somebody mention that a train's not smart enough to think of these things that we've suggested but he's not smart enough to run fast oh that's racist wow front in the chat here as somebody's pointed out he pierced his girlfriend's bone with a syringe and see was a superhero it's like yeah he's strong there's no getting around it he has to be oh yeah that seems insanely stupid but then what do we have I was gonna say but it gets capped out even stupid or covered so you got Kimiko and uh Maosa is is his name that's distracting me because of batwoman because now I'm thinking about batwoman so they discuss what's next and uh if you guys remember better than I do I think she wants to go back to the boys he wants to destroy Vort and he doesn't want to team up with the boys to do it but she does is that I don't even think they've really suggested it does he he wants to go yeah one of her options is to go back home she even says right he wants to go back home he wants to destroy he says like he praises it like America the country yeah he wants to destroy superheroes they're all monsters yeah so they have a common interest of destroying Vot but she never mentions that oh yeah we're trying to take down Vot you want to kill Vot so we need to be working together it's just like the obvious thing that we need we need to do but it isn't even suggested um was uh when we watched this uh you said you'd seen like a promo whatever you knew that those two fought right I knew that they fought because um there was a shot in one of the promos yeah yeah you you said like they're gonna fight you remember I was like why in the world would they possibly fight there's no fucking reason these two would fight they do they have a battle they do it's you know it's really fucking it's funny because um yeah he like throws her into a building and she somehow manages to catch up Kimiko's not super fast I'm more okay with that than I am with if we fast forward now to uh just quickly to align from him he says something along when he's captured he says some long lines he doesn't want to hurt people um he fucking tosses her into an apartment building well I think even worse than that is so she knows what his power is but he doesn't know what her powers are she only says oh yeah she only says that well I'm a monster you know he says they turn me into a monster and she says I'm a monster too but she never explains what her powers are so her brother who supposedly loves her doesn't know what her powers are doesn't know that she has invulnerability doesn't know that she has super healing and throws her through a fucking building um I don't know the one thing you could counter with that is she could have told him between cuts maybe but I'm more so focused on whoever he threw her at like yeah he could easily not building um well anyway right so that's not even the stupid part like she immediately catches up to him and tackles into the ground to like choke him out and it's like okay well so I mean the only thing left now is for the boys to be able to find them because obviously we have no idea where they are in comparison to the boys they just show up they're just here there's one random street in New York they turn a corner and they're just there and it's like how the fuck did you guys fight them what the hell and you can't make the argument of they heard the apartment they heard the apartment crash it's like at least a block away that doesn't even include how many blocks they would have been away anyway this is a big place the idea that they were an earshot of something like oh god it was so dumb they were just driving around and they happened to stumble upon them but I think another thing is if let's say half of your apartment building just like kind of collapsed because someone was thrown through it don't you think that like emergency responders would be like they'd bring the boys there surely so dumb they just show up and then I think isn't the thing that happens in the end is that Billy punches Huey in the face and is like because he says don't get him Huey didn't even know he didn't know so it's totally bullshitting what the hell are you punishing him for yeah everyone else just lets this go whatever you got in the way of him it's like what are you oh it's so lame not to mention that it's just like I said it still comes back to the issue of we're happily sacrificing a team members brother for a team members wife that seems weird yeah especially when the team members brother is a much clearer save you know he's a lot easier to save than your wife all we're gonna get is the location of the wife are we in exchange for a person so that I think we turned on this show at the end of this episode we were kind of done we were like so this is terrible he's still a member of the Shining Light which is a a bad man group so like they can't just leave him running around which actually kind of makes it even more dumb because when like he says he doesn't want to hurt anybody and yet like he seemed to have no problem picking up a ship and like throwing at like everybody I didn't cite that one just in case there's context of like that person trying to hurt him or some shit I don't really know it's a security camera but even then he states that his enemy is it is America right like it's not Vaught it's not Homelander specifically like his views his enemy as America so it stands to reason that he's probably going to do some bad things to begin with um so I think it seems conflicting I think of his sister they clearly love each other very much so if his sister came to him and said listen you hate Vaught right we both agree on that for now like can we both focus on the common enemy and then over time you know she because like these people they actually helped me they took me in keeping me safe uh that sort of thing like I think that have a lot of you know sway with him but even if it didn't work which you know it might not it does later on it does later on they do team up well I mean in that in that moment I mean but like the attempt isn't even made and yeah like the idea that they have to prevent him from doing evil or whatever it's like yeah there's plenty of ways to do that that don't involve handing the IA as the immediate choice you think there's lots of things to do well I mean they do they try what we were expecting them to actually try which is talk to him in scenes to come imagine if he had the boys but two superheroes yeah that would be useful it even works out pretty well in this episode among a bunch of stupid garbage that we're gonna get to keep seeing how much would nitpicks it's uncaddy I don't know what to say to that it's not a nitpick these are all structural very important that we get these pieces right so we open with Butcher apologizing and Huey doesn't like it and there's just a bit of tension conflict there because Huey starts punching Butcher now when it should have happened in the last episode like in that final scene well now he's weird he's cowardly but he's working himself up remember it's only the end of the season that he finally stands up for himself even though he stood up for himself in front of a train in season one shut up that's different this is about him not being with a group and instead finding a different group to be with that's different yeah they're on the boat and they're having a conversation with Grace to set up their meeting or they're going to send a helicopter to extract Kimiko's brother you said none of these are nitpicks of course some of them might have been but we've been highlighting a lot of important things also when I said none of them would nitpicks I meant literally none of them a lot of people in chat who believe these are strong points as well I'm just surprised that someone would say all we're doing is nitpicking it blows me away I feel like the range of issues that we've brought up you know why do you hate your own audience today I've always spoken to my audience this way what do you mean if the audience is wrong then they're wrong what do you want guys do you want to be able to just throw out all of these arguments and never be responded to is the idea that because you're staying in chat and we're talking that you can just throw up any argument you want and nobody can take issue with it we highlight things we find funny, we highlight things we agree with we highlight things with good points we'll also highlight things that we'd be like oh gosh that's a really bad argument or a general sentiment you wouldn't want it to be that we'd never challenge you guys surely this is a live stream we do pay attention to chat I don't know what you guys expect yeah and the whole thing of trying not to foster an echo chamber it's important to address criticism instead of just ignoring it I feel like ignoring it would be worse than actually addressing anything that anybody's bringing up you know like sorry I think sometimes when you are critical of like the TV show or a movie people take it as like a personal attack because I like this movie I'm not saying that you can't like it you can rewatch it as much as you want it doesn't mean that it's perfect or that it doesn't have problems someone just would have just happy to be here Ra said if you defend this show I would have come and murder you in real life I think that might be a little too far that's some hyperbolic tisms so let's get on with it it opens with a tism straight away but ya like establishes straight up that he's going to give up the brother and then he's asked on the phone like well hey what if the sister gets in the way and he's like I'll sort her out too and he says this really casually brags do you remember when we were watching this I literally said Q Frenchy's behind him Frenchy's right behind him like wow dude how could you say that but they do it even worse I thought that was bad but Kibiko walks down the stairs as if she's heard what he just said he's just like look at it it blows my mind sometimes how like it's just from your 101 screenwriters sort of drama generation is like I don't know who'd be really bad and she's standing right behind him the whole time instant drama in a can just add water wait wouldn't you have to pop it open first the can is part of the drama you know that mystery boss mystery can mystery can Uncle JJ's because Uncle you can't use Uncle Ben anymore so this is Uncle JJ's I mean like isn't it Kimiko sits down with her brother to talk is that where we find out that his power is controlled by his hands like his hand his telekinetic powers is his hands not his head it's not his mind it's his fingers and his hands I was gonna say it's worse for you because it's individual fingers that can do it which creates so many problems but then later in the episode he forgets that so that he can get his hands broken by storm front and then get choked out we will get to that one but I have to ask how do they know that like he's unconscious I guess Kimiko was told it and she told them without being able to talk to him properly to what extent does his powers work because even even when his hands are inside of the tape like he can still wiggle so that's a good point that I brought up I was gonna save it until later but yeah of course if he can push and move through his fingers that means he can push and move the tape to separate and break it I guess what I want to know is how is it that how is it that one uses their thumb to crush a can and then rip off part of the can and then like how does the finger communicate that information isn't a mixture of your fingers and your mind it's like there's battery packs inside his palms that allow him to do this stuff but again it's because they wanted to get his hand snapped so that he would get killed that seems to be also because they can subdue him by just tying him up so also does his finger need to move independently of the rest of his hand or you know the fourth dimensional space where like if he just if like let's say his palms are put together could he not just move both hands at the same time and effectively move his finger which could control his power or is it it's so strange sorry nobody got this through I want to preemptively head this off to the people who are saying that this is a nitpick this isn't a nitpick this is how he escapes custody which creates a lot of other issues yeah it's how he escapes custody which is how like the rest of the episode plays out and it leads to him getting killed which then leads to a significant revelations and it's super important I like that you said like this is not a nitpick in my head I was like of course it alright yeah you should probably say that um yeah I suppose we can we can return to it but we they reestablished to us now that so a train is just trying to live life large fuck it he's got blackmail on him it's hard attack but oh no still got hard problems everybody now when this happened again I can't refer I said this to Rags I'm free because we ended up watching it I watched this twice with each of you we were like 110% certain this was gonna save someone's life we're like this is going to be something that prevents the bad guys from doing something 100% there's no other reason why they would establish this well that's the problem is when you watch something like Blind Manor you know something that's actually well written whenever you see something set up you think in positive ways about where that could go but when it's a bad show you know that they gotta use it to get out of something that they screwed up it's gonna be huge uh yeah then we got to good old homelander enjoying the life with the kid I don't really have much to say about that until we get further along there's not much going on there and then we have uh oh the scene where bad wait if you criticize bad riding a dog with super fashion why are you fucking around man fuck it that was CJ's tweet where he's like why did they make the person complaining about bad riding a Nazi can you can you can you put up that picture with the kid because I think it's applicable basically oh right yeah well I mean this is this is that this is that kind of through line thing that they're doing where they're trying to take certain things that normal people would would say yeah that's that's fine like I agree with that and then they attach it to literally Hitler and then they say therefore if you it's like that whole guilt by association thing if you think this then you are literally this so not exactly the Socratic method is it figuring out what people think I still think kittens and good writing are valuable that's what I'm gonna say yeah Nazi he did not just say Bly Manor is good please no I guess you missed like it's like it's insane I love so if you if you criticize if you criticize or if you nitpick I suppose then you are literally this like that's that's the problem is like if it were a better show I'd give them more credit but like the problem is that the political commentary is so transparent that it's hard not to imagine that was what I was I'm willing to agree that that wasn't necessarily the message but it's something that everyone's everyone's scratching their head over yeah I think that everything about stormfront is a character is done in service to the political ideas of the writer I think that she's so on the nose and presented in the order that she's presented where she starts out as one thing and becomes another thing I think it is it's funny right with I think the episode seven opening scene is the one where it's like oh you guys like are on reddit you guys are put on twitter the expression right is the the other shoe drops like that that drops like a fucking silo on to like do you like oh I get it now okay okay oh and then uh oh just go ahead I was just gonna say like you know it's like you can see what they're doing and you know that it's transparent but I genuinely believe that the writers on the show think they're being clever like they think that they're they're sneaking this past and like people aren't gonna notice it like I I don't I don't think that they're they're doing it deliberately on the nose to the problem is that like there was a scene a lot later in the season where she was saying like people like what I have to say but they don't like the word Nazi and when I hear that it's like is that what you is that what you think and if that's what you think you can read a lot more stuff into the into the scenes that came before I want to give them more credit than that but I'm not sure well this is their commentary and all the people who are even in the middle or even slightly right leaning even center like they're like egalitarianism right like there are things that like normal like just the completely apolitical person would think that is normal and that it's being painted is well it's just yeah you know I don't know it's not a big deal but it's it's hard not to read into that and yeah so they're making the storyboards set up for the 7 movie which will be made across this season I believe yeah I think so but then the big thing happens before it gets outed Compound V like in straight away the shocking truth about Compound V revealed so this isn't a complaint this is more just a question so she would have provided the Compound V then what does a news station do with that I don't know they just say we got this substance they just state that this is how it works and people and superheros are made with it and it's like okay well how do you prove that that's what I'm getting at like how do you do it and maybe they got the testimony of Starlight but anonymous I guess yeah it has to be anonymous I guess but uh I thought it was strange because it was just like Compound V might not be enough but I guess it was and they're all like oh fuck and then A train is like oh my god like what the hell that's what you did boo and it's like yeah you should have stopped what did you think she was gonna do it's a weird one ooh we got another deep scene ooh boy oh no anyway oh yeah moving on Huey celebrating that he with Starlight have achieved the goal that they had in the first season right that was the season one goal was to expose Compound V so they're really happy but butchers like boo because you know those two got their conflict right now he can't be happy for Huey like he can't give him any success obviously that that's the you could call their relationship an arc we discover that butcher actually values Huey through the roof he considers him like a surrogate brother was it Lenny was his brother or was Lenny just a friend yeah brother um oh and then we're back with Homelander and he throws his son off the roof in the hopes that it'll uh like jumpstart his use of powers I guess naturally he's pretty upset about being tossed off a roof I guess this is just like Homelander's just he's just poor at understanding how he should probably go about these things and then and then we got the the obvious sort of are we gonna get this kid to use his powers and you just have to get Homelander to threaten the mum and then the kid is like yo fuck you it's like uh-huh I wonder if that's gonna set up anything for later hmm well again that's probably the best kind of stuff we get from this that's probably the best setup that they've done in this show and it's not that great um and then we get the breakout scene he I guess uh uses the tin can to sort of cut through the duct tape to free yourself yes crushing and it's funny how if you can crush a can what else can you crush can you crush Stormfront later in this episode can you crush one of the organs can you crush an eye crush anything oh nice one rags I feel like we're done with that one that's an example if if telekinetic boy crushed her eyes she's done I'm just saying the whole eye stabbing thing that's a fucking problem guys yep she's super strong except for her eyes it's so strange oh oh and then once again we just spot another pattern the whole eavesdropping is someone that happens throughout this fucking show so where is a bad place for Maeve to discuss anything with the girlie she's trying to keep a secret probably uh the office of the 7 probably not great we just got done probably flooded with cameras and microphones yep we just got done with this and homelanders just meters away and for some reason she thinks there's even a chance that he hasn't heard what she's just said and what the person said but as we later find out he absolutely heard what she said and you know that I would just like us to remember homelanders hearing is fantastic through the roof amazing and this is gonna be relevant people are lying he's gonna yeah he can do that too he's gonna this is going to be inconsistent by the end of the episode but hey he heard this and so now she's fucked probably shouldn't have had that call Maeve bad idea yep bad call bad call you might say and of course see as we go through these are all the pieces that start the the lines that lead to big dramas like that piece right there is what almost thoroughly motivates Maeve to do what she does in the finale she doesn't want him to kill a girlfriend a lame yeah um so we move on to um the brother has broken out and destroys the so the NYPD have picked up the boys which is not a part of the plan this is bad what do we do at the same time telekinetic bad is try to break out of the ship he throws an anvil I think no he just he just throws doesn't he just throw telekineticisms at it I've got the scene what I mean is I think he pulls out the not the anvil sorry the anchor he pulls the anchor out of the ocean and throws it at butch's head um and narrowly misses and then he destroys the helicopter yeah he destroys it by uh just telekinetic push yeah just pushing it yeah it's funny because um he's gunning to push them his captors and he's grabbed in such a way that out of all the directions it could have gone it hit the helicopter specifically this is like damn it oh what a shot yeah like why did yeah no literally the brother grabs the anchor and throw it why doesn't he just grab butcher and throw him off the ship why would she grab the anchor and throw it at him yeah once again he doesn't hit the helicopter with the anchor no he just destroys the helicopter yeah I do need to point out that this is like a super important like CIA off they would be monitoring everything that's going on in the area so probably yeah if the NYPD dispatches a helicopter to go out to the ocean to where their meetup is I would assume that they would have interfered or you know like hey that's coming to get you maybe leave or even or even like the CIA would have contacted the NYPD and said no no no you need to stay back like don't don't go over there don't go over there so like the idea that this helicopter just goes out there and fight how does he even I guess there could be a tracker in the ship maybe but just clarifying again though because I got the visual now so he gets the visual of the people he wants to kill and he lifts the anchor out of the water to fire it directly at butcher the intent is to kill instead of just grabbing butcher he can pick up a ship you can pick up these people and crush all of their heads immediately and pick even though this enables the rest of the episode to play out as it does which is a significant amount of important information dude it's so far away from a nitpick we saved the lives this is the plot instead of like there's some aesthetic continuity issue or anything like that this is what happens this is one of the things that happens halfway through episode 3 we're not to the stuff that everyone hates yet there's a problem with the powers in this show where they get turned on and off but there's also a like a deliberate depowering of certain abilities like this is one right another one is when Stormfront can like kill people instantly or knock them out with her lightning but when she's fighting against the boys she just kind of like tickles them and then they immediately recover and she does it again with Butcher it's like it's a big problem in general with the concept is you can't have the boys and any of the major superhero standing in the same room and expecting which happens in this episode which unfortunately they do where we learn that apparently Homelander is impervious to nuclear weapons but not impervious to a truck being dropped on his head don't even half of this episode is much worse than the first half yes it is it's kind of a disaster I don't want to bring in the comic stuff too much but again the resolution for this in the comics is that the boys do have powers like they use Compound V so they actually in fact I think that is the very very first thing that Butcher does with Huey and gives him Compound V which gives him I believe he gets super speed and Moth's Milk has super strength and Frenchie has super strength too so you don't have these weird kind of mismatches where you have a character that could instantly kill all the boys with no effort so you have I like that less I like that they don't have powers I like that way more than if they both have superpowers but I understand that I can understand how if they had powers though it will allow them to escape death in an easier writing way rather than constantly saving their lives like breaking the fucking back over the so disappointing next up is a deep scene I wish we could safely skip until well his next scene we won't be so the next scene with him what happens in the scene with Edgar after this one I forget I think it was Edgar was trying to figure out what statement they were going to release to the public about Compound V I don't think he gives an answer in that scene I think what we know from the arc as a whole is that this will play to their advantage somehow they want to sell it as a superhero power thing so I guess this works out for them makes you wonder what they were just waiting for someone to expose them though why wouldn't they do that in a controlled manner I don't know who knows what storm a starlight could have released so anyway they're still trying to hook up to deliver the telekinetic they've recaptured him they put the duct tape on him so he's got no chance now of course that's how that works and then Huey has a phone call leaves a message for starlight about he's like saying sorry right she's his second wind is what he says yeah yeah I'm just so excited to get to the end of this episode what it's all about yeah so Edgar and Homeland of Buttheads in the little room this honestly is the last time I remember Edgar talking to any of the superheroes in the season I think it is he talks to Butcher he has Butcher and then Butcher again in the last episode he is surprisingly underutilized yeah all he does is he talks to Noir through the phone yeah that's yeah but it's not really a conversation more of an order a really fucking stupid one that we're gonna get to hooray I think this scene is one of the first instances well where it's very apparent that the show doesn't actually understand what Homeland of Buttheads is they keep changing their mind nobody actually wants he wants his family but then he loses his son he's like well no the seven is my family we're gonna work together and then after that it gets he kills the clone of himself in the next episode because he doesn't need anybody and then he decides that he needs his son again and then he decides that what he what he really wants is I can do whatever I want and I'm gonna masturbate on top of a building he's tired they don't have no idea well this is the the finale seems like he's tired of being pushed around by everybody but it's like but he's got the ultimate muzzle on by the end of the season yeah I do think that some of his irrational decision-making can be attributed to his insanity yeah not being because the thing is and again comics the black noir character is like just gone like absolutely like flipped out gone and I think because they're not using that arc and that like that twist in the show they're trying to merge the the homelander from the comics with the black noir from the comics and they're trying to to give him just a little bit of that like a little taste of that craziness in irrationality without going all the way you know what I mean I think they just keep changing their mind they need to figure out that too but in each season like what because again in this episode he realizes I don't need my son the seven is my family and in the next episode he realizes I don't need anybody it's just me and then when he sees Stormfront it's I need Stormfront and I'm gonna cut out to Stormfront yeah he's like no fuck you but then hit memes save him so he's like no I like Stormfront to the point where he seems like he seems almost a bit giddy like like he wants to be and then that all goes to shit but he gets over it really quickly too and then in the end at the end of this season what we learn is what Homefront actually wants is the adoration of people whom he has no respect for I think you can do whatever you want because I've seen it in chat you just said you just said Homefront and I've heard Stormfront on the chat so everyone's combining them too yeah home home lander yeah Stormfront is less important to me because home lander is like the most interesting well he was I think that they've they put him in a really bad position going forward I'm not sure if they can fix it I mean they can only go to route route route again they just snaps next season I guess it's weird it feels like when you think about it feels like season two has actually reversed his development from season one like in season one it was very unstable and was progressing more and more towards knowing what was going on and when he killed still well that seems to be an indication of he's in control of his destiny but now they've changed again because he's just crazy superman what are you going to do from a writing standpoint when you just say he's insane now well it's just I think it's less interesting you know what I mean insane I mean like in a way it's like he's just going to kill everyone who's not BDN or some shit who's going to stop them because they still don't really have a contingency especially now that homefront is not there anymore yeah I don't know what their plan is but you know I'm not I don't think season three is going to be good you guys throw that out ready to kick in this last active episode three oh yes we're up to this I want to preface his vanishing act I want to preface this with I'm not a shock so I don't know if this is actually a thing but the speed in which they are fucking swimming they go pretty fast I don't know what the maximum speed of sharks are and maybe you could argue that the deep somehow makes them faster well what we find out is the maximum speed of a sperm whale is faster than a speed boat because the deep manages to get a sperm what was the deep's plan like once I thought he liked we've got so many things to talk about so I laughed and I was hoping that I was wrong when I was on rags but I'm pretty sure I was just waiting for him to react to it because gunman Carl live and just fucking picks up a rifle and starts shooting at the sharks I was just like what are you doing I thought bullets slow down as soon as they hit the water well it's not even that's not really what I just think it's so futile look at the amount of sharks there's like 20 of them your aim is going to be pretty inaccurate off the back of a speed boat shooting things that are mostly concealed underwater I just it's just awesome one mag or two so it turns out the sharks are like destroying the boat and it's sinking already I'll get the visual future man that's some sharp teeth those sharks have got some sharp teeth they can bite through ships like that like we just found out they were doing this and the boat is already filling with water in a very fast manner let's just put it that way yeah was someone else going to say something there no I think I said so they plan to get on to their midi speed boat life boat thing which immediately is like well that's not viable of course how could that possibly be viable the sharks destroyed it let's just pretend it's fine that doesn't really matter to me it is fine it's more so you're going to a smaller weaker slower version of what was just destroyed in seconds I guess we can assume that their speed boat is faster than yours it's not moving is my point oh yeah fuck me I don't understand they take so long to get into it they're showing them shooting their guns as if that could stop an army of sharks I just uh yeah they are yeah go ahead Rex when I watched this the first time I was asking myself man they are fucked what are they going to do to get out of this situation and they just take the boat and I'm like oh oh I thought that was the thing that they were establishing was off limits so what happens next is they get on their boat to race towards the beach because I guess you know the deep isn't as effective of lead but then a sperm whale jumps out of the the storm drain that they were going to go into but then the deep gets on a sperm whale launches it and beaches it so I guess that sperm whale is going to die I guess he forgot about saving animals but he then I guess temporary but then he stares there with this heroic pose and Billy decides to immediately ram the boat into the sperm whale and the number of things that don't like sense here the deep gets knocked off the sperm whale and gets knocked unconscious despite the fact that he's a superhero meanwhile all the boys are fine I got the visual chat I got to see this because it's a hard one to spot right so look at this CGI I guess chat you ready so this is the setup you guys are going to have to boot up the stream if you want to see the what I'm talking about I've got the episode up anyway so there's the whale and Billy is going to ram into it which that's the plan we'll talk about how stupid that is in a second but I hate copyright I can't just play the scene I gotta wait give me a sec why are they pushed away so that's not even the first problem so first problem is when you approach an object this fast and you slam it forward you still keep going the same speed if you're standing on top of it you go forward the whale goes back you go forward or if anything you stay still it's just momentum man if you're in the boat you go forward if you're standing on the thing the thing goes back and you go forward it should have just fallen off into the water but instead he stays glued to the whale somehow until it stops moving and then he flings off the way he falls he's like knocked out before he even hits the ground it's so fucking bad and again let's remember the deep is strong enough that he can withstand going to the Marianas trench which is as strong as having like 10,000 trucks stacked on your head the deep is Aquaman he's not getting knocked out by falling off of a whale meanwhile the boys are all fine no broken bones, no nothing, no knocked out even though they're normal people they've got swung into a whale it's like oh there's so much wrong with this because normally you categorize like a failure as like oh so this thing happened it doesn't make sense and it saved a life this one saves all of their lives twice you might be like how all of them would have broken the shit out of their bodies by flinging forward and flinging around all over that mess of a crash and the deep being knocked out Isaac Newton has left the chat and the deep being knocked out it's like oh damn I guess he can't stop them then like that's the whole reason that he gets knocked out that's the whole reason it happens yes so that he can't stop them exactly yeah so that they can have their children which is even dumber because he's lying on the ground next to the whale do you think for even a moment that Butcher would have not just put a bullet in them like they walk by and like nobody pays attention to oh yeah the deep is I mean he's behind the whale I guess they just oh you're right they would have seen him I would have seen him if you fast forward a little bit you're gonna see Butcher goes past he turns around several times and he would have been looking at the deep who was unconscious on the ground I cannot possibly believe that Butcher would have allowed the deep to keep breathing well yeah and if someone wants to establish he can't because bullets wouldn't hurt him it's like how the fuck did he get knocked out there how do you get knocked out yeah either he's really strong or he's not strong and I feel like this scene which you've got the footage up now is just one of many examples of this shows over reliance on Gore it's so gory to the point that I feel like they just are fans of having blood spune on people's faces yeah I didn't like it I was like oh this is just oh man too much someone's just picked up a continuity issue that's kind of funny before they slam into the whale there's a track for where they're going to go that isn't actually there in the previous shot like yeah there's no so you could see it on my stream there was no track there but then when they go on the white copyright yeah this is this weird preset track I don't know that's about but that would be a nitpick compared to this totally not a nitpick yeah so yeah this was I remember like episode one and two would piss us off three we were like right so this is just over they just don't care and it keeps going yeah we're not even done yet yeah there's still more to come they go into the storm drains and they're having their conversations and then the seven rock up which is like when we were watching this it's done it's over the boys are dead there's no way it's over you've got several speedsters and hyper powerful entities that are like at most half a mile away from all of our protagonists it's in a storm crane yeah it's so done but of course we're lucky because it seems as though the show forgets that Homelander is fast the show forgets that Stormfront is fast and the show forgets that Homelanders can hear really well and instead he also has X-ray vision oh that would come in handy too instead it's so it amuses me beyond belief because the show is like oh shit a train will be able to kill him because he can run up to him right and all the writers are like oh yeah cheese oh no we can have to write away for a train to be stopped his heart condition we did it we're writers everyone meanwhile they forget that Homelander can homefront and fly and Stormfront too they can both fly you see they're done it's over you see a trains having heart conditions which by the way will be gone eventually when he needs to not have them in the plot it's gonna be great I do like how they're also casually walking around the storm trains how come nobody's like running oh yeah dude it's actually yeah you need to be booking yeah and as if your brain is not like is just having trouble getting over that we find that Huey has fallen behind enough that he's actually next to Starlight now it's like what motherfucker show some urgency it's like if you don't actually want to die which seems to be his position maybe keep up with the boys the two superheroes you have on the team but of course Starlight is smart enough to know that hey I'm surrounded by my team I better look like I'm trying to kill him right so she blasts him but not before he says ah you got my message which he would have heard which Homelander would have heard it is pretty lucky by the way that the first superhero who encounters him is the one who is most sympathetic yeah the one who wouldn't kill him as opposed to Maeve or something you know or Black Noir or anything but yeah it's over Homelander would have heard him say that he knows they're in cahoots she's done if you remember later in the episodes he even nearly kills her under the threat that she might have betrayed the next episode yes but yeah then Homelander says to kill Huey and of course Butcher doesn't want that to happen and so he says oh he can't and yeah for some reason the rest of the seven know where to be found it's just Homelander and Starlight somehow I don't know why that's the case and then so this is all you have to really watch this slowly because of how much stupid shit happens so quickly Butcher presents telekinetic man as like hey look what we have which is interesting because he was the prisoner seconds ago like I'm curious if he was just like I'd rather fucking run away from Homelander fuck all of you and throw them into him you know it could be anything it's like Homelander is a fucking nightmare but no telekinetic man maybe he got talked down by Kimiko it's fine so he's like I'm gonna take out you I was just not impressed at first because he's like you tore the floor away that's strange I'll just fly but of course the reason they do that is so that there is a pit for Homelander to be in because telekinetic man brings down the ceiling which happens to have a bus that doesn't even like fall down in a horizontal way it comes down as though it was sent from the heavens like a pillar and then they bury him and Homelander is out of the fight for the next 10 minutes so Homelander is impervious to nuclear the fact that any of this happened at all and it's just like okay so Homelander is impervious to nuclear weapons you're telling me but apparently he could be destroyed by a truck I got a plug leaks so it's like Kimiko's brother hates Homelander that's not my point you fuck I'm trying to explain how many of this makes any fucking sense of course he hates Homelander we said he hates all superheroes but he's smart enough to know who Homelander is does he really think he can beat him by throwing stuff at him the answer is of course yes for some reason this shouldn't do fuck all this shouldn't do anything to him if this happens Homelander said in the first season if he tried to fix the plane he'd go through it if he's strong enough to go through a plane when a truck gets dropped on him the truck splits up around him as he stands there that's literally what Maeve's introductory scene was her standing in front of an armored car and she like shreds it to half doesn't even stop her Homelander also does it and Homelander is stronger than Maeve yes fucking stupid and of course all of this destruction manages to avoid Huey and Starlight neither of them are involved considering that Starlight was standing right next to Homelander and you'd think that that's the peaktism of the episode but wait there's more there's more Kimiko and Hibro are running away unfortunately for them Stormfront arrives and she electrocutes them and throws them through an apartment building and so at this point you're kind of like whoa that's dangerous careful there Stormfront destroy a wall right that's where we're at right now but then so they're running away her targets and a family a nondescript family are just like whoa what are you doing and Starlight and Stormfront Stormfront kills them she electrocutes someone into a wall and blood splatters and then people are screaming and she's like well I guess I'll kill you too now it wasn't hard to spot at this point it was like oh she's super racist got it but of course you wonder it's like damn if any of them had their phones up maybe live streaming or if anyone's in the vicinity seeing it or if any of them survived these wounds but yeah this could all really go wrong because we saw what happened to Homelander all these people died of electric shock that's kind of weird as it turns out not only did she get away with killing those three people but she manages to destroy basically the entire apartment block and apparently not being covered up the one I find funny is the guy on the staircase she like throws him out a window he's like whoa it's like I don't know that that guy's dead I'm just saying no not necessarily what's like the plain thing all over again these people are dead we get a nice shot here of how much damage she does there's no covering this up maybe forward a little bit apparently 59 people died and 100 were injured so 100 injured people are gonna say Stormfront killed those people nope because all of them would have been paid off covered up or thought the story was true which is framing the telekinetic the telekinetic was the one who blew up the building even though there's clearly electricity damage to the building and scorch marks and explosions how does a telekinetic man do this I would argue that this is the most powerful we ever see her electric it's ripping the building apart while she attacks people with it and they sort of go yeah it's pretty funny how she has electricity that destroys a building but not humans that she throws away when she's fighting the boys well she like killed everybody on an entire floor using lightning and yet she's only able to tickle the boys later on 30% collateral damage man even though somebody saw this I'm sorry somebody has seen this it's over there's no getting around it so then our heroes get to the roof and telekinetic boy jumps across the building to another one and Kimiko is not fast enough and she starts getting beaten up by Stormfront now of course for some reason she waits any normal person without being us like oh how convenient telekinetic man is like far away enough that he can still do telekinetic tisms but at the same time he's not close enough to get you know seriously hurt this is perfect so he jumps up right next to Stormfront and tackles her which he's not he's not a soup in the sense of strength so that was like an interesting choice yeah it should have been like he was a mobile he should have just bumped into her you know in the same way that went home why not grab her and just drive her through the ground like Scarlet Witch did to Vision yeah well technically that's not the same thing he needs to tackle her so that she can grab his hands and break them and so people look at this she's grabbed his wrists his powers are in his fingers even though his fingers can still work just pop her eyes dude pop anything oh he's dead why would he tackle her instead of using telekinesis so yeah this was the episode where it was just like I'm losing my mind I can't stand fucking retros just the right it is this is so bad but the reason why we had it is because we needed the scene where she calls him a yellow bastard because again the show once it doesn't have the balls to actually like fully commit to what a racist person would actually be like so he's very soft language instead of like I you know if somebody was actually a racist you think they'd use more pejorative words than a yellow bastard killing fine but I'm not gonna say the n word that's fucked up it's like that's the thing this show wants to be edgy but it isn't actually edgy it's not, it's not a denial that he's an edgy nurse yeah it's superficial edgy nurse yeah this is a reveal in and of itself it's like yeah you thought you liked her she's racist she's evil and racist wow I guess they're both I mean if you if you were okay with her killing an apartment full of people now you're really not gonna like her yeah this was her saying that was confirmation it could have just been coincidence she could have just been someone who kills people at a whim but now we know she's racist as well it's specific I don't even know that she'll leave white people alone isn't it like she likes white superheroes that's her that's her preferred thing well it seems like her thing is that she definitely hates black people and Asians she doesn't like Latin American people either but she tolerates I think she said that Gus was okay for his kind cool can we to end out that scene because home lander arrives storm front forgets kinko exists and home lander can't hear her panting because home lander fucking sucks well yeah because we need Kimiko to stay alive so continue the yeah because it would ruin it if home lander would laser her into two pieces it would be over and of course by the way home lander showing up covered in like he's like oh that kill was supposed to be by this like yeah well you snooze you lose grabs it's like what why would she say that when she's so old it's weird yeah I know she's like a hundred years old maybe that's supposed to be the joke get it also need to point out that with his extremely advanced hearing he would probably hear Kimiko's heartbeat like well I just realized well X Ray could see her yeah though it's just over in every sense of the word but the show doesn't give a fuck I love how everybody in the seven is a psychopath as well not only does she hate people who aren't white but she likes to see the lights go out she likes to suffocate them to death well Fringy that's a setup yeah that's part of the reason why she dies is she likes to see the lights go out we'll get to that why does she forget that Kimiko exists I don't know because Kimiko would be dead if she didn't boom there writing oh and so yeah I would like to make it clear we're already three episodes in there is a hugely strong pattern of inconsistent powers we haven't even gotten to the the ones that people usually cite like when we were talking to Jay Longbone she said that episode seven was like the big inconsistent power episode it's like oh if you or the whole season but I think we can all agree episode three is currently the worst that was a disaster of writing yeah one and two I could get over but three I'd be like you seriously don't think this has problems like no okay and funnily enough the three were released at first right so we would we were busy with other shit when this was released we hadn't gotten to it yet but I didn't hear many complaints I think people like like this well like I said the first three seasons reviewed on metacritic got an 86 out of a hundred it blows blind manner out of the water I know that much well yeah because blind man I got 62 and an audience score of 50 yeah die it's really depressing having the superheroes help people even though there's no way they're covering it up yeah there's just no way if you can't cover up homeland or do what he does later in the show well they can with memes I guess well yeah killing an innocent civilian with memes you know that's fine you're all good they do the first of many shots where Kimiko wants revenge it's like yep she doesn't get it though does she where she locks up yeah really strange choice to not have Kimiko kill that was an odd one I was expecting it I almost said I was almost saying like during the fight at the end I was like all right this is Kimiko's payoff and I was like well this will this will be nice to get you know that but it never happens well maybe she'll kill her in season three she's not dead right yeah maybe I guess she's not technically dead yeah oh do you what I'm wondering if they're gonna do the thing where Kimiko maybe sees her in her state and doesn't kill her like shows mercy or something like that some bullshit some last of us two crap well it's not really about mercy at this point she's just very dangerous person who probably yeah but I'm thinking it's the show gonna do that Fring you remember the last of us two right they'll do it they will spare you a big we reached the point of just pure pragmatism it's like yeah Stormfront is very dangerous and malevolent and racist you set the R board which brings us to episode four there's several scenes of women sort of talking about love the whole goal is well we find out that they're all auditioning to be the deep's wife which means we can comfortably not talk about them yeah we can skip over those results in absolutely nothing um yeah by the way this is where I started taking notes friend yeah yeah yeah well we we it's where you would like to do for reference we realized we couldn't talk about this because we knew that the boys loved at that point and we were like good god have we seen different shows like we're gonna need references like there's no way we're getting away we're just saying that this show sucks it's not gonna happen I have ten pages of notes but I was probably wrong because like I said by the time the season ended a lot of people were shitting all over it so but it's frustrating because we were up to episode three and it was already like kind of beyond repair um so uh friend she takes um I don't know what drug it is and he tries to kiss Kimiko pretty awkward which obviously not a good thing to do when her brother just died then we've got Stormfront complaining on her stream that people keep dying and that Vought needs to do something about it uh I mean that's just her playing of course it's Vought what are you doing about this woman it's like well you see she could raise our stocks I just don't get it amazing so yeah and of course homeland is upset at that too and then we get him going to a house where he meets still well who uh is actually doppelganger because he hasn't quite gotten over that which is weird he was totally awkward um I think I was gonna get some criticisms of that whole thing we'll wait until he kills doppelganger I think to talk about that so uh grace gives them a new quest because the boys literally have no other leads to go with um telekinetics dead and it's to uh find out to pursue the history of liberty because grace is obviously assuming that liberty is stormfront she's got a bit of a bit of a suspicious eye on that one set it up um then we get homelander like associated with taxi driver so I wonder if they try to muscle in another message you'd never know did you see the uh um you know you can watch the like the x-ray right did you see that um you're gonna have to time check those it's a whole bunch of these throughout the season and they're all uh equally stupid um I can send you a quick screen oh this is what it says it says whenever sorry this is the x-ray for general trivia in that scene whenever homelander is feeling down his go-to movie is taxi driver starring Robert De Niro homelander relates to De Niro's character Travis Bickle because both of them feel a threat to their white male privilege oh what I'm gonna lash out with violence because of it oh no why would you put why would you put this in what is this it's not the ones too that's insane uh doesn't it easy for me to say no not mellon before that mellory grace right grace mellory uh she she gives him the info where his wife is came that after I can always track her oh yeah she does give him and he says like but he didn't come through and she's like yeah it's yeah but I had a weird dream so now I changed my mind second one oh yeah you're right she had a dream where she was looking at all of the people she's wronged or some shit and it was like I want to see you out there too it would be nice if at least one less person is like what really that's okay yeah cool yeah it's taxi driver very commonly known as a white privilege okay whatever I've never gotten the impression that homelander is particularly concerned about his race yeah I never got that ever I got the impression that he's nationalistic but yeah I mean his name is homelander yeah but not like the white part when the hell not come from well in finnish he's when she says they're trying to erase the white people his first reaction is confusion and then he winks and the implication there is just that he's going along with it which I still think is fucking strange but the point is that he doesn't he doesn't register that he's like what so I don't know if who writes the x-rays I don't know if it's Amazon or the show creators I'm willing to bet that the show creators put that stuff and then like it's included yeah I'm sure the creators the creators provided and Amazon just puts it in there I don't think Amazon has any say in what's what's on there I would be surprised I think that's from IMDB but it's all written out properly like everything's written correctly they've got correct capitalization and punctuation it's all properly written it's definitely made by either the show or Amazon it's not like some time stamps as well yeah I don't know it was probably a collaboration like what the actual text is was provided by the people who made the boys and then Amazon put it actually onto the player in Amazon yeah someone just wrote Chad what does race even mean if you're a demigod yeah she's hyper racist so yeah this is where you reveal it's actually doppelganger which I think now is a good time to probably talk about it I don't feel he would do this I don't either it feels extremely out of character for him I think the only reason they did it is because they wanted a scene at the end of the episode where homeland is almost gonna get killed yeah it's a very important visual I wanna make it this is definitely gonna be debated so I do wanna try and strengthen this so he is very obsessed with his image and the only time he's ever vulnerable in season 1 is with still well and I do like their relationship in season 1 in this one he's trying to have doppelganger pretend to be here so he can feel like he can have that relationship back but he knows it's not here like and it's this other guy that he's doing this with and it's like yeah but physically it feels like her and it looks like it's like but it's not here he knows that and so like I guess we have to rely on his sort of mental state being wibbly wobbly because I just don't think he would ever want to be like this in front of anyone but still well yeah and of course then you wonder like does doppelganger have a family to vote care about doppelganger is what doing this you feel like doppelganger is a super useful extremely important he couldn't infiltrate the government and if doppelganger is 24-7 a captive for homelander's own like fantasies does he not want to try and escape and by that I mean literally just transform into someone else and go down the street I guess homelander could find and kill him it's such a bizarre and like doppelganger as a character is irrelevant he's just a tool in this for homelanders I guess you could call arc of development something's happening doppelganger is one of the few characters that could probably escape and homelander would never ever find him I don't see how he could no it's a strange it's strange and I think if you guys just mentioned it doppelganger is incredibly important to vote yeah he thinks so it's all very strange I don't quite follow and I don't think I think it would present issues for vote and I don't know why doppelganger isn't trying to escape it's all yeah I don't know is he there all the time is he there at only a range times like they like arrange this role play of theirs I assume that's what they do but I mean just everything about it is just why does he kill him and are we going to do the whole whole homelander's crazy defense is that always going to be the thing it is boring and it would be nice to have a psychopath who's cunning and intelligent and clever it would be so great and I would be so invested in seeing how this super clever guileful character gets the stuff that they want and how they manipulate others into doing their bidding but we don't get that we get homelander instead so next scene of interest I would say is homelander threatening to kill starlight if she's an evilman and we're going to have to yeah we're going to have to be very careful with this one because I know people are going to deliberately misunderstand what I'm saying so she manages to pass his lie detector because she says a detail that she believes to be true being the Huey betrayer and it makes her sad he doesn't pursue any other form of more specific questioning whatsoever when he can get a definitive answer for any of them and the fact that that passes when it's being used as a white lie in order to escape the conversation she's lucky that's not detected as a lie either it's a scene that really fucking annoys me he's pretty sure that she's evil he's gone to the point where he's almost killing her which by the way tells you something about her either his immense strength or her weaknesses pick whatever one you want and yeah he's going this far but he doesn't pursue any specific questions really fucking annoys me how homeland is just so incompetent anything else you guys want to say about that thing I mean I mean lucky for her I mean yeah lucky for her I only noted that went well but yeah oh that could have gone way worse but yeah that seems to be alright someone in chat said the Joker archetype is what rags once it's like well no not really someone who's crazy I guess why he should be specific Homelander is an extremely charismatic individual who has a big following and people love him and people think that he's great it's just on the inside you know he's not anything like what he seems take um yeah isn't I haven't seen all the show but isn't Dexter kind of this he's like charming well to do straightforward smart and covering up but he has a severe desire to kill he loves killing people like that's the premise of the show his whole thing is to try and kill the right people as in he tries to kill really bad people to save his desire not that that's what you should do with Homelander just the implication is you can have a very intelligent person who doesn't give a fuck for human life which by the way would be completely supported by him being a god man you just see humans as ants he has no sense of apathy whatsoever but he wants their love he likes being above everyone yeah it feeds his superiority complex which he has developed because he is physically superior to everybody around him by a long shot and no one can ever stop him Ozymandias that could be someone who's similar we're looking for more evil I would imagine though even though well I don't want to get into Watchman he would be intelligent enough that their respect out of fear for him is not the same as their love and admiration for him like anyone could know that there's an obvious difference between those two things and he certainly would which is why he strives for one and not the other because one is cheap and easy kind of elective that's probably the archetype if you wanted to give it a name whatever it is he's um prior to being imprisoned that's what we're looking at um look at that frame having an almond joy in their hand it's a setup it's a setup because he wants it away from him very good job show oh god oh no this is the thing where Black Noir arrives oh no oh no so oh I don't even this is like unwrapping a poop it's like here we go Butcher knows where his wife is he is going to jump the wall with I guess a grappling hook no idea how he isn't detected by many different things at that point no idea why there's not you know severe barbed wire or some shit at the top he just does and he sees a camera and he flips it off and then he runs forward and the next time we see him he's hiding in a car because there's too many cameras for him to avoid which is a I've already what I've told you so far should already be like excuse me he flipped off a camera and then hid because of the cameras he doesn't actually I believe the order is he doesn't flip the camera off until he's leaving is that right I thought he did it when he enters because no I'm almost certain that he flips off the camera when he leaves because I was going to put that in my review and I went back and I double checked and I'm like oh no no no he doesn't do it until he leaves where is he it's when he drops down the wall he drops down from the the rope once he lands down inside correct but then he has to climb up over to get out and when he gets out that's when he does it where is the scene where he enters the building the place even I'm trying to find it I keep missing it is it like it must be really quick I feel I keep missing it I think it was a later scene I think it was sometime later no it can't be later because he's in the place later so it has to be the place of elimination this shit it's got to be just before this one maybe it's relatively short it's after he leaves M.M. but it's before he meets with the wife so where is it damn it I can't find it oh go back yeah it does I because I realize it's on a delay anyway so it don't matter you know what I'm just going to run it in times to speed while we talk more about how it is so wait before we go deeper in that how fucking stupid is it that Black Noir has to come around and tell somebody to look for them that's what I meant by carrying on so we're setting that up there's so many problems all at once so he breaks in the cameras spot him and then he stays secret because of the cameras there's no motion detector it's just recorded and that is it so Black Noir's task is to find Butcher he walks into the security room and asks someone to look for Butcher on the cameras well he writes Butcher in big scary words but yeah I guess somebody was looking yeah well if they would have seen Butcher normally they would have just oh this is normal and fine but now that Black Noir wants me to say oh well now it's staggering that he wasn't just automatically detected and detained in this high security most valuable human being on the planet to vote place especially after they had their quote-unquote fight with the seven they should have been looking for them non-stop trying to find them and not chewing on some stupid elm joy trying to where is this fucking scene because it's in my head where he flips off the camera I'm just trying to find it where are you towards the end I'm trying to find was it the end of this episode yeah that's what I meant but it's in a later scene I was sure he did it on his way in not in my memory it's in the later scene but is it that he does it on his way in but we only ever see it in the form of the in the security room that might be it okay yeah he's coming coming down and then he flips off the camera boy is so the implication is he does that on the way out I can tell you right here it's at time stamp 5848 no I got it I'm just are we guessing this is on the outside of the building that looks to me like it's outside well so in that case then we're just saying he was lucky to avoid all the cameras then why didn't did he not avoid them on the way in and why would he want to be seen by them eventually why would he do this yeah he knew where the cameras were why did you not avoid them and why would you want to be seen by them and why did you not go around them and why are you an idiot like why though god but that's so butcher this is classic butcher given the finger to the man oh he's showing them classic the amount of time he spends in that place I guess we'll get to all of that and as we progress but it fucking blows my mind that he got in there and out and apparently is a sort of fuck you goodbye he why would you even put yourself on a camera if you know where they are and how do you know what all the cameras are he shouldn't know where they are he's never been there before all right well yeah so that's how good he is and then of course not detected until someone is asked to detect him that is so insane they should be looking for them non-stop they're not looking for them already this is the contingency for as dumb as that is this should be really important and you should have a lot of a lot of personnel and equipment invested in this property some people in chat are saying he was on his way in it's bad either way but if I was to guess just from that shot I'd assume it was on the way out because the what do you call them like supports for the wall are more typically going to be on the outside or would they be I don't know I think ideally it works the same those types of walls you would have it on both sides hmm yeah there's going to be that kind of that L shape on the bottom towards the base and you can't just have it on one side because then it makes it unstable so you'd rather have it on both I think either way it's dumb so this is the first of the we're really pushing it now guys with the Huey and Starlight they just meet up again in a park without their hoodies on right after Homelander shows massive suspicions against in a track sorry it's a fucking park like there's people there's people everywhere we lost it when we watch this we were just we could not believe that this is where they decided to meet up with Starlight being as famous as she is with the fact that she has this tracker on her he's a wanted criminal remember how in season you know one episode two and three I think how it was a huge deal that there was a tracker and translucent and how that was a big part of the plot and avoiding detection and setting up the special room and going to that abandoned building how all of that was done because there was a tracker on translucent and the fact that there was a scratch in the ceiling had Homelander nearly to break up our heroes like that was a huge deal and in this season they don't give a fuck about this tracker well the beginning on the first episode they go into the subway and they meet there because it's supposedly the subway one is the best moment in the whole season for counting for the fact that they were wanted but now it's gone we've abandoned it until later on look at that screenshot look at that wonderful screenshot yeah the fact that nobody is following Starlight when Homelander which is under serious suspicion yeah also people know how Starlight looks with all her costume she's been spotted in the first season when she helped the girl the girl remember that yeah when she was getting attacked and it got recorded made like a big deal it's like oh shit it went viral and everything what are you doing people know she looks like they've been like oh shit Starlight yo what's up can I have an autograph super chat said the camera was on the camera which means it can't be when he left because he left at night is that true well if it's half past five it ain't gonna be dark of course I just mean is it true that he left at night I can't remember I think so you came there at night you left at night right yeah I think he went over both times during the night we need to get in the car we'll find out eventually anyway it'll be fine we'll get there I like this in chat by the way to clarify this is a valid criticism the other 90% not so much oh yeah hey well at least you're hearing them out that's the important thing so you're an idiot oh no if you think the 90% of everything else we've said isn't valid if you don't think the show is already in like critical danger by the end of C episode 3 I don't know what to say I mean you'd have to be I have no other explanation unless irrational emotional investment it's a valid criticism that nobody recognised Starlight it's not valid that Homelander could have instantly caught the boys in a storm drain when they're only like less than a mile away so maybe that one's a valid one too maybe I guess we don't know so next up she kind of breaks down she's like oh god I'm gonna die and so he was like right then you're gonna stay with us now with yeah we need to have you close to us mm is temporarily the voice of reason he's like are you fucking nuts this is never gonna work don't worry I told vort I'm gonna visit my sister who lives in the place you guys go to cousin or something like that which my god she's under suspicion she tells you guys at vort she's gonna go visit someone she loves for a day or two whatever how do you not go someone keep an eye on her how is that not what happens and yet she can go on she goes on a full road trip this episode blew my mind I couldn't believe this was happening like look at where they are right now she's on the street starlight is speaking to a wanted criminal two wanted criminals on the street while she has a tracking device inside of her fascinating choices by the writers like any even like B-list celebrities get constantly mobbed with people taking pictures and all that sort of stuff I mean you got pictures of Leonardo DiCaprio and counter-reeves like just sitting on a park bench but somehow starlight is just completely unnoticed like probably one of the most recognizable people in the entire planet yeah pretty unbelievable but uh yeah mm is convinced and so they go on their road trip amazing atrain is dropped from the 7 it's uh that I don't have any issue with this scene homelander's motivation to drop him is that he's not good enough anymore not only is he only in the top he can't even break the top 20 speedsters he's got the heart issue so he's just not he's not up to stuff anymore hard to believe there's 20 speedsters out there at least yeah um but also oh by the way that we actually talked about that it's like imagine vort having access to 20 different speedsters when they need information they need like oh god can you run around the city like all of you just collect all of the secrets from everyone everywhere all the secrets in like 20 seconds well we've already seen scenes with atrain where he moves so fast it's literally not possible to even see him so I mean like they could get anywhere like pretty much anywhere um so yeah uh homeland is dropping in for that reason which we will hang on to because that's gonna become irrelevant information by the time you hit the last episode right now um yeah and then there's chilling hanging out having the little thing and then mm I believe drops a story on them about how his dad like killed himself working so hard oh oh that that's when they are and what it was night time when when you broke out uh but those little things are on the outside I wonder let me just maybe it was night vision on the security camera let me have a look again you don't think they'd be on the inside too well I was going to say I could be I just I want to check the security footage I lose the scene again if I was going to put cameras on there I would have them on the outside because you don't really need to see people inside yeah you do because like this is insanely important and you have bought money I was going to say there should be cameras literally everywhere um yeah oh the time is the time is 7 27 not 5 27 so yeah it's it's dark time or early morning yeah um so that could line up that he was well again summer it's summer it's still light out 7 30 in the summer true I don't know if that completely lines up but I mean it's we've as we've said it's it's terribly the way like it doesn't really matter hugely um just wanted to see so when he drops down when he leaves does he put the camera off when we see him here um the gates of Mordor yes it is it's well yeah so when he lands here he doesn't flip off the camera at a 22 2234 he doesn't do the flip someone points in the chat well they do monitor the inside even as I've said there were I guess which is why they went met on the bridge oh yeah there's yeah that's exactly why that would be my spot but also as he's this is him leaving and he doesn't flip off the camera unless there's a we cut that arriving that's him arriving no the one I've got on screen right now is him leaving isn't it no that's him arriving oh god my timelines all fucked up wait what but he arrived during the day oh he arrived at night I think he arrived at night this was the scene I was looking for the whole time it was here that makes more sense now so that's interesting because he's gonna go to Becca's house he's gonna leave the car door open and she's gonna notice it so he both arrives and leaves at night time yeah so technically speaking that security footage could be from yeah I would actually now settle that it's of him leaving rather than arriving I would assume but again it's still protected there's no way he wouldn't have been caught it's amusing to me that he somehow got from that wall to the car and was and he's in the car to avoid the cameras it's like surely the cameras have picked you up already then I don't really understand how that would have worked I don't think you can't get in there without the camera seeing you in which case just like I guess they're just not motion capture cameras the only record which is beyond stupid what else can you say still pushing forward Frenchie is sad about Kimiko and he's gonna find out that Kimiko and the girl he hangs out with have got a deal where she kills people for money and that happens at one point you can fucking tell somebody she has a brother but she can make deals somehow could be a different day he went there multiple times I think he did it all in one go I don't think he left and came back no it was just once she can't say tell the people that the guy was her brother but she can make deals with someone no problem between the time of doing that and that I'm sure she's figured it out now maybe she taught that lady the sign language you don't know they helped me kind of fucked up with her so they're in a restaurant now oh wait we go ahead I don't know that there was anything important happening in the restaurant after when they leave the restaurant that a car crash just so happens to occur right in front of the restaurant to put starlight in an ethical quandary to go and help but get identified even though she just can't really provide much more assistance than any normal person also suddenly they care about not being covered up oh no you okay oh so this is interesting I was curious where this came from the criticism about the meeting in public was that they demanded equally stupid decisions before because it doesn't affect the plot it's a valid criticism but ifap is being really they said consistent here I think they mean inconsistent and their example is when we were using an example of how if in diehard there was an option for john to pick up two pistols instead of just the one and then he goes on to only fire let's say two or three bullets him not picking up that second pistol really didn't make much of a difference at all looking out in public we can't really call that a criticism if we're going to remain consistent about the the guns and bullets and stuff what they failed to connect is that what we were talking about in that context was repercussions or what happens as a result it is a problem that John wouldn't pick up two pistols that is luckily in that scenario it doesn't have major consequences as in he runs out of ammo when he could have had another whole pistol let's just assume a full magazine that would be a problem but it's a problem for John to not want to have more ammo when he could anyway in this scenario it's really fucking stupid for them to be out in public so that's a criticism of character just like it would be with John but somehow against all possibilities they are not actually seen or captured in any way meanwhile the idea that John wouldn't expend all of the bullets in his magazine that's very possible it really depends on how everything goes these aren't the two they're not the same thing they're not the same thing at all like I said if we said because I'm pretty sure that's EFAP2 if we said it can't be considered an issue for him to not give himself more ammo when he has the chance to I would disagree with me from back then but I do agree with me from back then if I said that it's more important as a flaw if it leads to like an important consequence rather than literally nothing at all in this case them not being caught enables the entire show to continue as it does it's very consequential yeah if John literally had to kill one more guy it doesn't really matter if he's a good shot whether he has 10 bullets or 100 bullets he's just gonna land one shot though I would still as someone just said ultra celebrities we're talking the highest types of celebrity wanted fugitive and celebrity of the highest order yeah this analogy isn't a good one this comparison doesn't hold up well I'm cool with clarifying if they that's what they were looking for but yeah these are two different things more than the picking old baller I don't think I would have said it's absolutely not something you can bring up I just would have appealed to the consequences because consequences are what change the impact on the plot and the consequences of it are what are the difference between a nitpick and a non nitpick yeah nitpick being that it's it's a flaw but it's not very consequential plot convenience being you sound like you saw something funny they said can you move on to the finale we're four hours in we're at episode four episode four we're still gonna be talking for a while there's more bad shit than you know there's more bad shit than just episode six onwards yeah it doesn't start with episode the end it doesn't start with the plot yeah like remember it was episode two where we were like nope um yeah so they're in a restaurant having food again wanted and celebrity gonna have to keep reaffirming how fucking retarded this is but okay well he would have gotten served both of them would have gotten served well yeah when butcher went to that restaurant he got spotted immediately well you see rags the difference there was the the TV told her because it was it was on the right channel at the right time in this instance whoever served these two is unaware of both of them how would you even is that even possible that a person serving food would even be like fucking hell that's starlight that's like more famous than the most famous celebrity this superheros real super like you'd go nuts and everybody in that store surrounding if donald trump just walked into your restaurant like you know who he is it's that kind of thing also keep in mind this is um supposed to be more towards where starlight is from where because like your family lives in this area and you would have to assume that they would be even more familiar with her well as far as i'm aware uh places that presidents were born in and like like are the town they're born in are like most sites literally oh a lot of the time you want to see where they their childhood home like childhood homes are very cool things that get sort of visited when you're a famous person and so uh yeah the you'd get people surrounding you and then one of them would be like hey this dude you're sitting with he looks like that guy oh oh no everyone run call the police oh we had and starlight has to grab his hands and be like i am answering him i'm just really hungry right now and then we get to what is absolutely a nitpick because it doesn't have any consequences of any kind i just find it so shameful so it's making shut the fuck up starlight is trying to remain undercover but you know what there's a car crash suddenly it's a really weird one too because i was like oh god is someone here to attack them like that's what i figured they were going for but no it's just it's just an unfortunate car crash that happens and um yeah they see it i just put it on screen so she's like oh my god i must help them because i am a superhero and then em is like no you can't you'll give up your position even though everyone can fucking tell your starlight but whatever it's like you can't do this no it's like a moment of ah the struggle of maintaining cover when you know you can help isn't this isn't this sad it's just like what do you mean who needs a superhero it's two cars that have rolled to a stop after you know like a hit that there's a guy who looks to be unconscious the other one's fine and these humans are gonna carry him out of the car and wait for an ambulance what's she gonna do yeah there's not much she can do beyond what any normal person can do they didn't do this properly the way the scene you need is a scene where only she is the one that could possibly help and she has to choose not to to maintain her secrecy if the car is on fire and like the the doors are like you know kind of twisted and you need super strength to pull him apart or something you could have that but i think m m even points out it's like this already people helping like this yeah it's just a bulk scene it's just her being stupid it's like what are you what are you doing they'll be fine but i'm a superhero we just need more of these scenes right because we have conundrum here and then conundrum where she murders someone and then blames him because he was in the way oh we're almost to that shit i feel like we're almost there we're probably not yeah how do we sum up this retarded shit so butcher is like she's like we'll talk here because this is the place they have no cameras or mics why is there a place they have no cameras or mics and how do you know where that is and what if they lied to you when there are cameras and microphones well it's hilarious because she puts her cigarettes to the camera as if to imply like this is my cigarette time you leave me alone and then she goes off like an hour and then she goes back there soon to just have sex and it's like what why would nobody on the cameras be like this is kind of weird she's smoking a lot today how would you know that this location doesn't have any cameras or microphones oh yeah she had a chat with them yeah she asked them real nice and they said okay here's a place you can be private like yeah what other previous actions would she need is she meeting other people no she's like why would they let her leave to smoke she doesn't have to leave to smoke just smoke outside imagine being on camera when you smoke in that is hell of course she has to be off camera when she smokes I don't want him to see me like this just hilarious she just gets it's just hilarious that she gets to just leave like I'm pretty sure we haven't even got there right from what I can tell every single aspect of Becca's life is controlled by like she doesn't need to work she doesn't need to go anywhere or do anything she basically spends her whole day at home with their kid I don't even think she goes grocery shop and they probably just deliver that shit so like yeah it just doesn't make any sense so they have a talk about which is the best chocolate bar and then they have sex and then as you know it's what normally how it goes butcher and his wife have sex sorry human intercourse oh then he gives her way more details than he needs to about where their secret base is which is just funny because it was just like damn that's probably gonna come up and it does it's really important that she knows this because it's gonna be useful later instead of just saying yeah we're undercover in a place he says the kind of store that it is and I can't remember if he says what street or whatever but the point is she's able to find it thanks to this information which very clever of Butcher but again I don't think that's really out of character he's pretty dumb in this season oh and then we get the reveal so this is the thing we might be able to speed up as we go because we kind of covered some of this stuff ahead of time Homelander this is a really weird point so they highlight that the the seven don't have um good diversity in terms of race and to counter Homelander says yeah but Maeve's gay and it's just like uh but um the seed pivots into that like oh my god she's coming out this is amazing diverse and I was just like I don't know if that's just commentary on how vapid it all is or if they just lost the point that they had which was race and sexuality of two different things but alright um the kind of ironic is in the comics a train is actually white so they changed him for the show and even that wasn't good enough they're still complaining about it I guess um kind of makes the decision to get rid of a train and to abuse the shit out of the daredevil guy as they could have been good for the diverse pics their Homelander it's just funny the idea that he's trying to shore up the seven when it doesn't even seem like he gives a shit about the seven in this season no do you like that uh Homelander uses his superhero for eavesdropping but not when he actually needs to kill someone well as we've highlighted he missed it with finding that Kimiko was alive he missed it by further pursuing a lie detector test on uh starlight and he missed it when Huey made it blatant that he and starlight were working together Homelander's powers are very inconsistent yep um Kimiko is gonna try and exact some revenge Frenchy manages to stop her right before she does it just seems lucky to be I guess and a huge crowd by the way well it's not like they wanted criminals or anything what it's just of all the times like this is the time and all the rage steens up like this is the time it's uh it's fascinating um so then they end up at this lead which is the house of the I want to say the child of someone who was killed by liberty back in the day uh because because they were black that's the only reason she was oh okay she was paid to stay silent and she knows that if she ruffles feathers uh it couldn't end really badly because of literal soup fucking executed and yet she tells them the story yeah yeah and after it she's like she's like hey don't tell anybody else yeah why do you think they're asking you about this like so the reason that she tells them is because MM tells her about his dad right that's the story yeah that's what gets her to but that doesn't line up let's just oh no no no no it makes total sense she should be like oh that's a sad story I guess yeah no no no whenever someone tells you a sad story about her how their dad died you instantly it's like you know you did this for me when I didn't ask for it so now I'm decidedly obliged to tell you all the secrets I know about my dead relatives because we have like a you know we're in the dead relatives club and we gotta tell everyone about all of our dead relatives and how they got dead so this is the super cringe scene that shows the the show doesn't know just how to portray a racist it's all a victim of racism you have the car pulls up the guy gets out and she's like being really really mean to him and then he's like wait you're a superhero aren't you you're not supposed to be that she's like shut up black piece of shit and kills him yeah again because all you need with every scene of her is just hey your race um bastard your race your race like bad person I don't like non-white I believe that people who aren't white are lesser than me and they kill them and there's always a witness there's always a witness to this racism these are not very smart racists we are we're to assume that she's flying way overhead in the middle of the night in a deaf and poor maybe she has vision we don't know because it's never she does she can see but like how would she maybe she pulled over like you know anybody it doesn't like how does she even know who she's pulling all your highlighting is just the scenario racism what's the context racism is the context racism it's so blunt oh it's so dumb well this is what I mean about portraying there are so many better ways to portray racism in like a meaningful way rather than she pulled over a random car pulled out a black guy I guess killed him and said you're black it's like alright well I mean wouldn't the more interesting one be the whole like implicit racism like a sideways glance maybe putting a little distance between you and I know like a black person who's walking nearby as opposed to you're black you're inferior to me piece of shit and then killed them it's so on the it's I mean on the nose is putting it lightly it's over so did Chester she went full captive bottle I was I was I was looking at chat laughing too because great club said she was on this short panzer that's funny it is funny but some Americans might not get it no no some non-Americans might not get it I get it because of too many American media consumption funny I like that that's good the but I don't they don't even give like it would be so like the idea that storm front is a secret Nazi experiment right it's like a meme it's very it's very very silly on the doors if it's very on the nose and she didn't she didn't check the witnesses by the way she didn't check inside the car in case someone else was there she just left it doesn't she have super like awareness too I don't know super racial awareness super power she could detect the non-whites she's super racist they should have had storm front make a 40 hour 3 part series of a white TLJ as bad in the in the comic storm front is actually and but she was created as like a counter to oppose homelander I believe that's what it was so she was actually it was actually a guy with a guy in the comics that's definitely thrown out of the show then right because she predates homelander so that can't be in the show yeah but in the comics homelander comes first and then the Germans create storm front to be a counter but after the war is over him and like you know the scientists and stuff they all defect to the USA and they bury the history of the moon yeah but in the comics the storm front like his history is there but it's not like super important it's not like he's just randomly pulling over cars and doing that like he's at least pretending to be a hero well you see what if the audience didn't quite get the message what if it was what if we got a character who had some bad experience with someone from a particular race in their childhood or some other reason that they became a racist that was you know somewhat developed in some way like obviously not saying it's right I'm saying but it would have been I feel like it would have been a lot more interesting if you had something like that like a backstory or something not just secret Nazi laboratory experiment because I was expecting it I was expecting to be like why is storm front like this what happened to her in her past what is what is her story and then there's a secret Nazi laboratory experiment okay well it's all set I guess so um that pushes us to possibly one of the cringiest things you can imagine which is a TV show making its own memes chat I don't know how to properly translate this to you okay like this is you want to know what I wrote down look it's memes you guys like memes right wait can we I need to examine the saving America lol I got the first one okay so I'll just that's the first one she has no sympathy for bitches that's barely a meme yeah it's not even like a meme also I don't even know what's the what's the context of that that she stopped the super terrorist I guess so yeah super terrorist was a man well he's a bitch now got tries to save city can't even save his reputation what's that that's I know right there's no jokes here well like these are the kind of memes where you throw them up and you're like okay these are group of memes like yeah I get to what you're trying to say it's just you just say it there's no point in having this be a meme just say he tries to save the city but he can't save his reputation because it has the same effect and it saves you a lot of effort and I think the saddest part is as he's scrolling through them homelander is very upset it's like dude I mean I'd be upset if someone was calling these a meme I would be upset if people were making these memes I guess you're right would you make such terrible memes it's an insult to the internet okay we try harder than this to make our memes efap memes are way better than these crappy memes you could go to almost well almost any reddit and you will find memes like a million times better than this saving America a little bitch what a meme what?  I don't think so oh yeah the tic is dope you guys should watch the tic it's way better and it's also commentary on superhero shit you are facing the tic don't waste your time with the boys season 3 it's gonna be even worse than 2 probably though we'll probably watch it because I like watching garbage bin it's gonna be funny the sad part is that I I want to see what they do with homelander still I want to know how that story's gonna end also as people probably noticing I've got a screen up that represents the next discussion real real real quick on all of my reviews and breakdowns for the individual episodes all of them have like a 90% plus like ratio except for 7 where it craters down to 67% and then episode 8 it craters down even more to 61% wow people were upset pointing out how much dumb stuff was in these 2 episodes coming up I think you get these people and you just want to ask them what was wrong about what I said just tell me what was wrong or do you just not like it that you've been now you know it one of the comments that I got was it's a fictional show it doesn't have to be realistic so it doesn't matter if things don't make sense if they're not consistent it's like no people who say that are pathetic I don't know what else to say wow what if they say you're pathetic well then they could be wrong check me that is what we call a stalemate no one could be proven right let me see if there's any general trivia for this retarded scene alright alright this whole scene has to look into it hahahaha this scene pulled I would imagine millions of viewers out of the show they would have been like woah the amount that doesn't make sense so why don't we go over what was intended first I suppose the idea is look at this normal person living a normal life, in a house, loves his mum goes to work look at him smiling walking past someone just like hey ignore the fact that he's a fat neck beard that's not important he's living his normal life he sees on the tv a bit of stormfront he's got a stormfront he's got a stormfront poster but it's all normal it's all within the bounds of normalcy nothing suspect here he could be you could be this guy okay it's kinda sus do they keep having clips of him looking at women being unable to talk to them just saying hold on I'm gonna play it again I think one of the women kind of rebuffs him a little bit or something yeah he's the clips are so fucking choice what else can I say when he gets home that night he's just perousing perusing reddit he sees a couple of memes perousing yes I wanna show chat the meme he looks at cause I showed gary it was so fucking funny is this the one or die yeah that's the meme it's such a funny fucking meme we're a great meekly do you know where this is oh jeez I'm trying to find it if you can find it just post away cause chat gotta see this top tier meme oh well it's one of the times he's on his computer yeah one minute 44 seconds is where you wanna look if you wanna see it he's scrolling through the memes on a non-descript reddit asca page it's just just a silhouette of these people standing in the darkness oh my god they do it quickly too they flash away from this you see it's very subtle oh my god it's very subtle it's not a meme yeah that's terrifying no more of the boys memes please hey bro immigrate legally oh die they should just square this in a meme based on it you know even though he's looking at some kind of weird reddit pages he wakes up tomorrow at the same time he's still going to work he's a little bit more tired this time though he's losing sleep he's getting some more coffee thinking about the immigrants and watching uh bought news bought news without having a discussion about oh and on the tv it says victorian newman's college dance videos resurface are you cashed out the first time fuck off wait what is this it says victorian newman's college dance videos resurface get it because people always bring up non-substantive criticisms of leaders who are progressive oh no that's a direct reference to aOC that's a direct reference I mean it's how all kinds of things the idea being that instead of in trumps case some horrible video where he says grab them by the pussy when you do it to the good people it'll be just like oh they're dancing oh no you've certainly got them now like a nevermind all of the non-substantive criticisms of people on both sides no this happens fringy it doesn't matter if we only represent one tiny portion of reality as long as it happens somewhere in some way that means it's good which by the way has been the defense from many many people that this scene is good because this can happen just imagine how radicalized by memes how pathetic of a person you are so let me get this moment I'm just gonna play it for chat look at this so a car went past I assume and put some light in the clerk's face this shocks our neck beard as he's watching yeah as he's watching the news of how apparently she defended stormfront defended somebody who beat up a homeless immigrant or something wait was it a homeless hold on oh yeah a homeless immigrant wow poor immigrants that are homeless no they have a home it's where they fucking came from that's the thing so we move we don't know if they're an immigrant it's just the homeless addition to the extra sympathy a homeless it wasn't just an immigrant it was a homeless immigrant who would beat up a homeless you can't help but feel like that's all purpose right to make it as overtly evil as possible can we just appreciate this shot I love this one this should be taught in film school he's playing a video game on facebook where it's shooting AOC in the face oh no look at him he's so angry he's gonna do it he's gonna do something it was funny because the facebook games radicalized me I was talking to Gary about this all this missing at this point in the montage is him killing a brown person that's what we need to really complete the image and so why in the world do you guys think he would do it it's like what reason could you come up with outside of him saying I've been radicalized into hating brown people he thinks that the glare from the car was actually the guy lighting up his face I guess because he's a soup a disgusting soup and so he wants to interrogate this man to discover whether or not he is bullet proof and he's going to do this by pointing a gun at him yeah very smart there is an issue here I don't know if you guys can spot it my concern is that you're a superhero that's bullet proof so I'm gonna try and shoot you to stop you like wait it is that Simpsons episode if you're a witch you'll fly back up here to where we can summarily kill you and if not then you'll die and go to heaven look at him look at him unbelievable and so he shoots the guy because he's desperate and crazy and then he discovers that it turns out not bullet proof and that makes him very sad oh man I flurbed it up how could it defend me oh damn people say don't do it boogie this is my life this is my life oh my god oh no in the top right from where he dies there's a screen that says Stormfront condemns fake news so this whole scene is a fucking joke like it's so I can't believe it was made it could only be made by the most dead fucking idiots in the world and we knew when we saw this like oh this is going to set ripples through the boys fan base I think this has been pointed out you know a hundred times over like this is exactly what they thought the Joker was going to do and nothing ever happened it's like I think the more bizarre thing is one you had people actually rooting for it they were like salivating waiting for something bad to happen and when they didn't they were disappointed but even worse than that is they still think that this stuff is going to happen because someone looks at a meme it's just like it's an interesting view into the mindset of some people this is a cartoon this is so cartoonish what do you mean reality every day millions of young white males are radicalized by young fat hairy white men are you bulletproof I'm going to check by shooting you it's a homo Simpson thing to do did he not even think about this through at all what was his plan and if he was bulletproof then what do you do no then you're fucked proof that bad memes cause violence oh no so you gotta make good memes otherwise people will start hurting each other I think the starting scene is a pretty good meme this was a good meme it's like I don't understand what the fuck they thought was going to happen poor fat Neil he's fallen since community now so I guess we should move on we have our scene so now we've got lamp lighter and the boys are all together what's the plan well we get him to the hearing so until the hearing happens we have to keep him here I suppose meanwhile where does MM go cause Butcher has to suddenly go and visit his mother because inconveniently well we'll get to that what do you want to say so what happens is they decide that lamp lighter's testimony alone is not going to be good enough so they need more evidence and this of course brings up the question what happened to all the hard drives that they got from the facility like why didn't they just bring them out with them you know they probably would have plenty of evidence there or even lamp lighter could have like gone back and grabbed some paperwork I mean at this point Vaught doesn't know that the lamp lighter has flipped so at any point he could just go back and like get evidence I didn't even think about that and then bring it back and like oh well my testimony isn't good enough here's here's a hard drive with like 18 terabytes worth of and this facility filled with where I was being experimented on and all that or they could you know go and get pictures of like all the stuff that happened so this is just creating a situation where his isn't good enough and they need to go and get someone else so mother's milk and not Greg go to see Vogelbaum and this is when Butcher goes to visit his mother with the jetpack well yeah so let's do the structure of this episode you and you and I right Rags we were watching this so was it three of us I was definitely head through because we we guessed I think it was us three right because metal couldn't make it yeah I would say we guessed the entire structure after the first five minutes we were like so everyone's gonna be unable to prevent Huey from going on a stupid adventure to Vaught Tower they will successfully get Starlight out but it will kill lamp lighter but it will kill lamp lighter that will be really sad and unfortunate if only we knew what they actually wanted to do and so as a writer you be like well how do we get everybody away from Huey it's like well you send everybody to go and get Vogelbaum's like authorization to come along and Butcher is distracted by his his mum wants him to see his dad in a weakened state so that he can stop this is right she wants him to feel as though he hasn't he's like he's not powerful he shouldn't shadow over him but she tells him in order to get him there that the dad's dead but that's that's the whole plot line and of course it sets it sets him in a position of like I don't want to create another like this is why he doesn't want to look after the kid at the end of the show right because he doesn't want to end up creating another himself by being a shitty dad because all dads are bad in Hollywood surprising a pattern in the show a lot of you think maybe that like it was a great opportunity maybe they'll still do it in season 3 to have Butcher and the kid well that's what I thought they would do because it was such an interesting setup but they wanted their reset and he didn't start with a kid so he ain't getting one so anyway what a great opportunity wasted having like actually you know I thought that we were we were cool with our old grizzled man and son stories you know God of War I guess the last of us won even though that isn't a son I guess that's probably it I can't think of any other ones I'm sure there are the interesting thing is we're just going to knock this out we'll knock out all the B plots before the main one so then going to Vogelbaum is a waste of a scene because Butcher just does the exact same thing as they do but he boosted on top by saying yeah so if you don't I'll just kill people you love rendering their visit just time sink but the funny part is that he even let Butcher in and that he has no security and that Butcher has no leverage the second he leaves the place yeah that's what I was thinking like why wouldn't he just immediately contact Vaught and say I need myself my family to get taken out of here blah blah blah like yeah given the the size of the mansion that he lives in I would have to assume that Vogelbaum is