interesting thing about this we're going to do the top 10 of 1985 this is the coolest thing this is like a reunion of two guys who haven't talked to each other or see each other since how long Thor? well since 1984 I had the pleasure of meeting Chris Holmes at the after party after we did the concert the lyosium it was Thor Wasp and Rathchild and it was an amazing night it was sold out it was fantastic and it was it was a great pleasure for me to meet the guys in Wasp do you remember they so so Chris they filmed this show right this is a Wasp show that was filmed on the first album right do you remember yeah yeah yeah yeah okay live at the lyceum live at the lyceum yeah Alan should we crank things up and get started you know we of course we were inundated with millions and millions of emails saying what are you going to do 1985 we just finished 1984 we had to expand that list and here in 1985 one thing I noticed a lot of sophomore albums you know made the list so it'll be interesting to check out but just to get get everybody in memory lane back to the future ramble first blood part two rocky four I guess the color purple the goonies and spies like us you guys remember those movies that was 1985 okay I remember the 80s yeah the 80s I remember wrong you can get them on video or DVD today I remember like it's yesterday all right there was a great time it was a great time beautiful time the metal was metal ruled and so yeah that's right yeah and here we go you guys ready for this is number 10 and this is where I brought Thor on to go down memory lane only the strong released in 1985 consider to be one of the I guess classic most or classic albums of Thor Thor maybe you want to just tell us a little bit about some and what it means to people today I have I've gotten so many accolades about in correspondence with regards to that album only the strong that I am sometimes embarrassed my face terms read when people say that they recovered but I'm also in gratitude and deeply honored that people would say that that only the strong got them to recover from their surgery when they had a heart attack or only the strong inspired them to become a CEO or when they work work out at the gym they listened to only the strong I never thought in my wildest dreams that so many years later that the album would have any kind of impact like that and it gives me fond memories because we recorded a lot of the album not only in New York but in London England so it gives me a lot of memories and of course a lot of the great bands like wasp are over there and twisted sister Exciter it was the time of metal yeah you know across the miles all over the world let the red knock them down thunder on the tundra yeah believe it or not let the blood and red hit the charts in London England and then it was overtaken by Roland Ratt going to Hong Kong that's how diversified that's how diversified the the charts were over in England at the time and still are probably a member do you remember Thorpe you know blowing things up and lifting stuff and do you remember anything yeah I remember so I'm bent a microphone stand around his neck like a pretzel that was cool I'm glad to be I'm glad to be known for some things I was wondering if the thing was rubber yeah no that was the hot water bottle they were rubber eggs to blow those up till they exploded oh yeah yeah it was a calling card but I loved your stage set like you had the most incredible stage set with the buzz saw the big giant buzz saw oh man that was amazing that was just a bunch yeah it's just theatrics stuff you know yeah yeah well theatrics were really big in the in the metal field back then with twisted sister with you know wrath child there was the makeup the leathers and studs and of course you guys uh really were over the top and you know what a cool story was chris that thought maybe okay sorry I'd cut you off go ahead I'm sorry hey do you remember wrath remember wrath child they would walk on the streets with the same clothes they'd go on stage with I know they would go into the bank and put their deposit in they wore their stage clothes off stage yeah I know they lived a life on and off yeah yeah I didn't do that I had a secret identity I tried to uh I wouldn't wear my cape in public I would have probably been arrested wearing my stuff out yeah I know your stuff was amazing I remember uh meeting you backstage and one thing I remembered man this guy is super tall he would you like you hovered over me yeah you were like uh you were like a true viking I normally stick six but then I used to wear five inch heels on the shoes oh yeah well that was it I was looking up at you the whole time we were talking yeah I used to hate wearing those things man it's hard to walk around on it you know and if your foot's flat and you got a five inch heels it feels like you're standing on a brick you know all right well that's pretty much it we got so way before there was man a war we had Thor that's right that's right and uh you know and it was interesting to me that Thor told me this story he goes that Chris you met a guy a cover band a Thor cover band I don't know maybe you want to tell Chris that I don't know I just heard a story that you you uh met Iron Thor in Germany or something and the guy you thought maybe he was the guy you met which was me back in 19 you know he said he was your son oh okay well that's okay then I have you know I have a few sons you know around the world you know and then later on I asked somebody and he said his son he's the son of Thor oh oh yes okay that's right I thought he was I thought he was your son at first you know I didn't know I was just you know nobody tells me shit you know I'm just do you have children me that children I was just wondering if you have children children should not have children okay that's why I don't have why I don't have kids I understand words to live by it all right that's it guys uh Thor I appreciate you coming on thank you so thank you very much for sharing a little bit it was an honor it was an honor and so nice to see you again Chris well you could stick around if you want it's all good if you want to give some I have to get back to the studio and um but I just want to say again Chris you know good luck on the new upcoming documentary I'm anxious to see it and it's on our uh same label we're label mates Cleopatra Records and yeah okay um it's gonna be fantastic what are you doing in the studio uh we're doing a new album all right and possibly I could ask you about being a guest on the new album if you'd like to I don't know if I'm asking you live on the air you're gonna have to ask my wife she runs all that stuff okay well can I send send her an email if I gave an answer she'd kill me oh yeah I understand uh I had a wife like that too one time her name was Pantera but uh but what I'm going to do is send her a message is that okay on Facebook yeah yeah she looks out she looks out for us to make sure I don't do stupid things which I do I do all my life all right so anyways the the Cleopatra Documentaries January 19th 2021 that's a documentary for Chris Holmes yeah and Thor you got a new album coming out when about in 2021 all right uh sometime in 2021 I don't have an exact date on it I guess when we finish it we'll get it delivered and it'll go out and you have a name for it yet no I'm I'm thinking of a name where we're coming up we could spit ball right there called no it's kind of uh if you if you came in I would call it the ultimate alliance oh yeah alliance I like that yeah that sounds pretty good right I shouldn't have told that one now somebody else will try today yeah anyhow hey great talking like putting together an album live yes thank you very much thank you Thor good luck on a new album see you man thank you all right man see you man okay all right there we go number 10 let's go to number nine now look this is chris I like to get chris's opinion because when this guy came out mom steams rising force we went from Eddie Van Halen style guitar to like do you have any influence on your playing chris mountain no I couldn't play like that if I practiced um you know 23 hours a day for 20 years I would never be able to play like that guy he's he's just he's phenomenal man he's I I'll say that and uh one thing I will say I saw him playing Steeler right about 82 83 Ron and he was a radical good entertainer I will say that I mean that as playing the guitar twiddling around doing the like Randy Hansen you know he was I mean and it even when we played with him and in 97 uh in Palo Alto they opened up for us you know I went out there and looked and he was a lot he was a lot heavier right but the guy's still entertained great yeah I saw another guitar player oh yeah and um if you know I listened to it yesterday it's um the guitar works good but you get to me to me I get it gets kind of tiring after a while to me too well we're kind of breaking up there a bit in blue you know the same tempo yeah that's phenomenal man Triller G the following two albums really changed the pace a little bit there's a lot more texture a lot more variation but this was his really first well his sophomore album but it was really the full one with vocals you got Jeff Scott Soto so Sons of Apollo fame amongst wet uh you know it was his album and you can see him how young he was there and what he's doing now and but it was a good you know really really was something new something that changed the way people were playing guitar right yeah it was a game he did Alcatraz yes he played Alcatraz and Steeler right and Steeler before that that's right you know yeah yeah uh yeah yeah yeah I listened to it and it's just the guitar works phenomenal man yeah yeah I agree I mean I'm not a big Engvee Malmsteen fan but I respect him that he changed it he changed the game for guitarist you know he just brought something else he's a great he's a good good entertainer on stage as playing lead guitar he's he's I mean as as watching somebody play and entertaining he's good at that too yeah I agree man I saw him play I couldn't believe how fast he was playing and fast he was moving he was moving so fast and he was playing so fast I couldn't believe it yeah good entertainer yeah I think he I think he's stolen a lot of his his um uh stage persona from a guy named Richie Blackmore yeah yeah I would I'm not saying stole it's maybe just influenced him let's say you know I agree must say he stole it's wrong for me to say steal he just influenced him a big time I mean he's borrowed if Blackmore wasn't doing it so he took it he just borrowed it for a while black plus Blackmore was using the new classical style too I mean he had a little bit of that there too right yeah but if there's a guitar player says he's not influenced by Blackmore he ain't a guitar player there you go okay there you go it was Black Blackmore's like he was he's like a originator at you know he was doing that stuff and set in what 68 67 he started yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so but anyway that's a Malmsteen was you know play the same kind of guitar do the same stance on stage of course you know we brought you here Chris for a colorful perspective and commentary and you're doing great job I love it it's good I love that I love it all right here we go number eight are you ready for this number eight number eight okay pull that out Alan there you go docking under lock and key the hair sprays almost as important as the music not quite yeah look at those outfits but I hate to say this um I have I have personal issues with Don that go way back to 80s 84 but I should I've let him go um and uh you know out of all the albums out of all 10 albums that one smokes them all yeah oh wow okay that album the production on that album is is the best out of all 10 that we're going to listen to the guitar tone EQ playing is to me to me is the best maybe it's because um it I listened to it and it said it was remastered oh okay but still but still but still right I'm sure a good album is a good album even if it's remastered right when I went back and when I was when I turned off the window of what I was listening to I just said remastered 2014 all the others ones weren't remastered okay so could have been that I don't know but but I I will say the production the the engineering and and just everything on the album was good I I love the sound of the guitar but you know Don's voice is a little whiny that's to say the least yeah a little whiny you know it's it's not it's not it's not in your face heavy grinding you know he's really a super heavy guitar and all sudden this whiny but that's Don that's the charm but maybe that's the charm you have the the great guitar work of George Lynch and you have the soft voice of Don and just that's what Dockin is have you heard did you ever meet by Michael Wagner from Double Trouble yeah and I mean yeah I met him have you met George Lynch sure man say I'm from LA right yeah yeah yeah I got George George I go I go back with him back probably a 75 he had a band called Orange and called the boys you know I played a show in LA probably seven years or eight years ago I played the Nam show with him right after he did and played the big balls with him he played right before me George's a good guy phenomenal player man I mean at this time the time this album was released everybody was talking about George Lynch as a guitar player I was one of the holy trilogies coming out of LA with Van Halen and Randy Rhodes and and the great songs on this I mean in my dreams on chain tonight it's not love don't lie to me will the sun rise there's a nice one too yeah a very strong album overall but and I think there was a little the cracks are starting to show right the guys were kind of you know Mick Brown and Jeff Pilsen and George Lynch were kind of really writing a lot of music and Don was kind of separated from that he I don't know if it was lead singer disease or what but it could be it could be an ego thing could be you know the cracks are starting to show a little bit some people don't like egos you know um Jeff Pilsen's a super nice guy me and Alan we met him oh yeah oh Jeff's amazing I did I did meet John I did meet Don Dawkins and I mean of course I don't have as much history as you do Chris with him but when I did meet him and we did talk for a while yeah it's pretty nice he was a nice fella yeah yeah yeah he's always been nice to me always been nice to me I just heard some shit through a door that he didn't know I was standing on the other side and it was in a recording studio and it kind of pissed me off but I understand why you know it was who was getting the time Marin and he said was sucked and uh you know wasp took to the to them guys that right you know their music was a lot more technical than the wasp stuff you know wasp was about rock sex drugs and rock and roll and that's it it was kind of technical too I think there's a bit of technical in there too in wasp weren't wasp yeah I think there was yeah yeah I guess songs from the nether regions you know what I mean they were ball crusher you know bone crusher we'll get into that we'll get into that but the guitar is way in the back at least that docking album the guitar is up front right in your face you know the the the nexus and stuff like that yep it's a good it was out of all 10 I think that's probably one of the best guitar sounds I like but I like back for the attack too I think that when George really Sean Sean on that one as well so yeah I like his solo stuff better no okay like Lynch mob all right let's do number seven Alan we're going Canadian here we're going I'm not sure if you ever met these guys exciter long no that's the three piece right that's the three piece that the drummer's thing hey the drummer's things right drummer's things exactly how would I know that bealer dan bealer you may you ever they open for you or no I watched it on youtube dude yeah the greatest album cover ever he says with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek so yeah that's a cool cover yeah very cool you know people talking about brian johnson always singing at the top of his range they should really check out this album because dan mealer is relentless and is singing and he's playing drums oh yeah it's what a bitch playing like remember bluish or colt that guy would sing lead and charge if you play drums and sing I tell you that yeah did you like getting this album okay go ahead I know it was my favorite out of the early albums especially songs like born to die and uh you know long live the loud of course victims of sacrifice so I thought it was they try something different on it let me see look at see what I got look at that oh my god here you go let's know to what of what I what I wrote down when I saw let me see what it says with exciter all right let's go I gotta find them uh face warning blah blah blah exciter they gotta be on here oh right here okay long live loud I wrote the guitar work is just to me is there more speed metal yes of course yeah yeah a lot more speed metal you know and the guitar works is is um is okay it says generic mm yeah compared to mocking and stuff man yeah and mountain you know but it's good it's it's good it's good you know I was just shocked to see that the drummer's saying yeah yeah and they're that my god how easy on the road is that it's a little three piece it's just one action there's one more jerk you don't have to deal with that's right that's right you know that's a good way to put it oh hey let me tell you something three versus four could you imagine five people yeah yeah the egos I gotta say for us exciter you know they're a local band at least kind of local to us so we grew up with them and they were there right before Metallica really broke so you know there's a lot of that speed and thrash you know that was kind of let's say started by them but you know they were there they were there they were there at the beginning with everybody else so with Metallica and you know Anvil and everybody else that kind of remind me a little bit of motorhead in a way yes yes that's very true you know that's very true yeah you know when I when I first saw Dan Beeler playing like sing like he's power singing too he's not just singing you know anything right he's got a powerful voice and I was just like shocked I was just kind of shocked when I was a young kid all right Alan anything else no that's exciting my my favorite of the catalogs number six do you have a copy of number six Alan yeah this is my first introduction really look at that beautiful apple what is she eating soap or an apple I thought it was soap when I first saw it I love that back cover that's great yeah kind of erotic yeah but I mean for for Saxon now you know they're trying to get that North American market and they weren't as bad as some of their later albums but you can see the commercial aspects start creeping in here they're not we're not talking about denim and leather anymore so but a good was commercials but stuff like broken heroes that they just you know they even played on their last tour so it's nice to see some of those old songs coming back you know how long was your last tour that was what we see them during about a couple years ago I guess the time flies so much yeah two years now since a COVID we lost yeah they came with UFO yeah yeah yeah wow did you ever play with Saxon yeah yeah they did a tour with wasp and the headless children oh okay Saxon and except both of them in the on the east coast and I went saw Saxon in 82 at the Waldorf and Frisco okay and then a yeah bicycle guy man I like him he's always been nice to me you know very cool guy Nigel the drummer do they still have the original members uh Nigel the drummer who replaced the the original drummer he's been there ever since let's just say that the the lineup that they have now has been there for at least 20 years I would think yeah Paul Quinn yeah yeah I remember I saw him at the Waldorf the guitar player had had his guitar strap the guitar went to one pivot and he could spin it in circles oh yeah you know that thing it's not a cool he'd play a chord and spin it around and spin you know maybe for ZZ Pop did their video oh yeah yeah ZZ Top yeah if they had a video the guitar is doing that yeah yeah Saxon started it then is what you're saying okay the original bassist Steve Dawson that was his last album so uh you know that was a transition I guess but yeah I like that arm too it's a great arm Saxon innocence is no excuse all right yeah yeah it's right but innocence is an excuse that's all you've ever pleaded innocent it's a total excuse man judge I was innocent innocence number five hey Jim I didn't realize this but hey we've got another Canadian band here kickaxe welcome to the club their sophomore their second album and again I mean this guy can sing George Kristen what a beautiful voice and he's got a lot of good songs on here uh you know never let's go and they even do a little with a little help from my friends with some Rick Emmett from Triumph's on there I think Lee Aaron's on that track as well so another Canadian connection here on the top 10 1985 but there's a connection with Wasp oh if you remember Chris they actually was it back vocals that they did on which song was it uh the last command it was on running wild in the streets kickaxe I don't know to what degree they did the back vocals but it was a Pasha record it was Spencer Prophet Prophet who actually did that album right Alan yeah right did that album yeah so they must have been the same time you guys were in the same I mean the album wasn't as big as we would have liked it to be but right well what happens at Pasha there's like at the time there was three recording rooms wasn't just one studio it was three studios and if the one band wanted backup vocals they'd go in and get the people from that day from the other groups that were in there you know so we just walking around all day they just pop in and go hey we need some vocal over here can you come over and sing cool cool we had the mexican guy work at the grill next door at the grill come in and do it's blind in texas and try to do hey dude let's party I thought that was you I was the last one okay I was the last one that tried it and it worked I mean I everybody tried it randy everybody riley blacky even even some of the engineers and it didn't work and then uh they even had the mexican guy the taco stand next door come over here he didn't work and finally you know they were like let's give chrissa try and also the quiet rye guys they also appeared on the um too because just everybody knows that it was kickaxe and the quiet rye guys carlos and chuck right I think could be wrong they they kind of did a little bit of guest vocals on there it's kevin oh it's kevin okay all right yeah kevin was in there all right yeah alan anything else on this album no it's just uh you know it uh they really came into their own on this album unfortunately they only released three or in the in throughout the 80s they released the fourth album much much much later yeah but I think it's a quality and it sounds great it's a good sounding album I found yeah here's here's one of my all-time favorite bands you ready for this alan this is number four Roudness oh I love these guys Japan's answer to Eddie Van Halen Akira Takasaki you know but again this illusion being one of my favorite albums of all times this for me was a bit of a letdown because they had to go into the north american market with the mza but it was a big hit at the time and the rest of the album is very very solid what do you think of the guitar playing Chris oh yeah it's good the guy's good you know it's it's um it's in this field heavy metal field it's Asian people sometimes just kind of don't fit in in a way you know it's um but yeah yeah I love the guy's a good player then he plays the same kind of guitar I play oh yeah it's a first english album it was their first english album so they had a little bit of difficulty in the translation but they worked it out great bunch of guys well yeah you can you can tell by the the accents you know yeah there's a lot of the japanese people can't say L's and W's yeah I like the album it's cool it's it's it's got it's got some driving stuff on it yeah me too probably one of my uh all-time favorite albums I love loudness and yes I agree Alan the last one the solution was a great album but I don't know I think this album made just a notch better and on youtube they played in 2014 on the boat on the love boat oh yes the love boat the love boat not the love boat but the you know rocking the monster cruise yeah I know yeah you ever do one of those chris no looks like fun I haven't met one person that says it's not a blast everybody spoke to when we interviewed some of the groups and some of the people that are fans that went on the same cruise they say it's you got it's a it's a must it's a must it's a bucket list the one yeah I would love to but the one that we're gonna play they don't pay they didn't pay enough for us to do the flights and there and play it and make it and break even well it's not worth it but you know I'd go there and play for nothing but it wasn't worth the we had to pay for our flights and stuff we didn't have enough money to make it yeah you know my good buddy died on one of those rock cruises really did you remain oh yes yes yeah very unfortunate yeah yeah yeah and especially with COVID now no one's looking at the boats anymore you know is especially since you know those people were stuck on the boat for like a month yeah that'd be a drag that'd be a drag yeah all right so there was a change in plans on number three Alan so chris probably doesn't know this almond either do I that well well this is fates warning the specter within yeah I listened to it also because Alan you you gave us not the specter within the one uh the one after waking the guardian it was an 86 release this is an 85 release so Alan changed it all up last second that's a different one I got a I got awakening the guardian yeah yeah that's my my own screw it all up chris again this is their second album it's the same vein as uh waking the guardian but this is just the one that precedes it look at a beautiful cover and again people are introduced to john arch vocals his vocal stylings because he has a very very distinct voice and the way he phrases the lyrics now which on the other album what's that album cover that's tripping me out that's a cool album I like that album cover but where's the other one do you have the other one epitaph now do you have the other one they're two beautiful album covers yeah sure what's the other the other ones that well I couldn't figure out what that was on the cover no I threw them off huh he changed the album he's gone all right what's who is it Alan did you find it first of all add anything's an improvement over this one that's the first one no this is the one chris was talking about inspector yeah what is that is that an eye or what like a bridge right here's the guardian I guess is here that you got comes come kind of uh like a black hole or another universe you're walking people could travel through awaken the guardian that's a that's an 86 release all right I was tripping on that album cover so that's what I listened to but fates warning I mean they got their own style having now is just a little bit of made an influence you can hear but I mean for me Kyrie Ellison orphan uh without a trace and uh what many consider fates warning's best song ever epitaph is on is on this one so yeah so it's kind of like a dream theater right they were the the precursor to dream theater yeah yeah great drums it's their their progress to me it's more the record I heard whatever it's real progressive rock it's more progressive yeah yeah it's got a lot of changes in it and stuff what do you think of his voice chris I like it I like it a lot of people struggled with that version of fates warning so I you know every album's a little different than the previous one or two would work out good on there right you know their first out narrowly missed our 1984 list I'm glad this uh the second album made the 1985 list yeah speaking of second albums here we go Chris this is one for you at number two we have the last command watch that's it here we go flip it around here's the gang right there look at that cheese that's the second album that's the second album the last command the last command that's right what do you remember the back's different which one were you holding up I'm holding up the remastered see that because bonus tracks there's some bonus tracks like Mississippi Queen and uh those are bonus tracks that's not the same players though Mississippi Queen that's not fair that's Johnny Rod and Frankie Benelli oh wow I didn't know that was all recorded during the headless children and they just threw it on that one you got credit for savage that's to make money you got credit for savage as a bonus track I see your name there yeah savage on your knees hellion sleeping in the fire animal those are live versions and I want to be somebody live yes yeah my name should be on wild child is it yep it's on wild child we got all crusher too ball crusher I think it's probably my favorite song you know if you look at the re reissued albums my name's taken off all the credits really issued wow I saw one in Finland a reissued one they took my names off all the credits well on this version here it's a Canadian version so your name yeah yeah well that's that was probably issued about 30 20 years ago yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's all right it's the way it is so I love I love signing that album yeah yeah blind in Texas so uh it's actually you you're the one who made it on the uh let's party is that what you say what what is it again hey let's party one let's party dudes let's party dudes yeah yeah yeah but you know fistful of diamonds widowmaker blind in Texas ball crusher wild child of course the guitar you know the problem is with that album the guitars aren't loud enough they're way in the back of the mix I I when I listen to it compared to docking and a lot of the other bands the guitar is way in the back of the mix it's all black he's vocal vocals his are way up front through the whole song and then of course the problem is because he sings over the whole song from the beginning to the end uh look at the videos ever seen the wild child video yep yeah he comes in on a motorcycle and dancing did you notice there's no good lead guitar in it yeah they edited it out yeah that was a single version right yeah this yeah yeah yeah because it's why have somebody get any recognition on it because it's not yeah but anyway that's out of all the 10 albums that's to me that's the worst sounding one okay hey is it true Chris that he would you're gonna give that song to a motley crew wild child but Vince couldn't sing it so you decided to record it yourselves it could have been something with between blackie and uh and them you know if I if it was I wasn't in on her done in on anything okay now I remember rehearsing the song wild child before no no it was written right before we recorded it okay did you did you come up with the opening riff sorry okay well yeah yeah well it's a great opening riff huh I love that opening riff well it's only two notes really really it was three notes down on down on down but it's just whatever it just sets the tone for the rest of the song for sure yeah I list when I listen to that uh just today I listen to a little bit of every song and it's way too slow okay compared to I because I've played you know I I haven't heard it for probably 30 years the record and I'm used to playing it live okay you know which you play it always a little faster down on it but anyway yeah what about that middle part okay go thanks for the band we're really picking up by then Chris were you happy with the progression after the first album and then when this one came out the guitars were so buried and I can't you know what am I supposed to do they're not gonna listen to me in the mix they just throw me out of the room get out of here and um it's uh no it's that's you know after um Born Again just came out right albums like that right and stuff so I wasn't I wasn't really I wouldn't say I was thrilled about it you know I didn't really care about it because it was at that point it wasn't the band it wasn't a band look who's on the cover so it was me me me me me me and it's it's all Blackie's voice so it's I didn't like it I could have cared less about it so as early as as early as the second album you're you're you're saying that the the the machinations were happening to to become more of a solo act it was Sidemen than a than a true band like it was set up to be yeah this was Blackie always wanted to be a solo guy you know this is the way it is you know what do you do if you can't change it you know what were the good memories of recording that album were there any good memories oh man that was a really cool idea I came up with or something happened in the studio that you said wow that really stands out when I farted in fence Spencer's face oh yeah we heard about that that's that was the best that was the best that was the highlight of the recording I'll never forget that man you put him down did you put him down put him down what do you mean you brought him down when you farted oh he he he he was leaning back in a chair on the phone and talking on the phone I'm waiting to do my solo I'm tired of it you know and so I dropped my pick then I had gas and I bent down leaning back in this chair and I bent down my ass to an instrument's face and I just ripped the gnarliest fort in his face and he got pissed he got pissed and walked out the room was gone for about three hours I'll screw Chris I'm gonna bring the guitars down in the mix oh maybe that was the demand that's probably why no it's because of what it's you know you got you can't have everything loud right you can't have everything up in the mix so they want of course they want the vocals you know and Blackie's voice he's got a unique voice so that should be you know the only thing heard you know I didn't Randy get along with the with with Blackie did he get along with him or any budding heads or they're always button heads yeah always yeah always what about Steve Riley there's a first hour Steve Riley yeah yeah he he he um Riley he's you know he was a part of actually a member you know um Riley's just Riley's he doesn't he's not really he's always in the background okay you know he was cool all right good good good yeah anything else he played good drums on there yeah absolutely I like yelling a lot I mean that's why we put a number two me and Alan we love it I just don't because it's not to me it's not heavy metal in your face yeah the guitar is not in your face it's not it's not ripping into music and that's what heavy metal music is it's guitar I guess there's a different perspective like me and Alan the fans and you the creator right you're always the creator is always going to say I could have fixed this and I could have fixed that but we're kind of appreciating it for what it is right well you go go listen when you put a band plays live the guitar is in your face it's loud yeah yeah and then when it's on the album when I listened to it today I listened to Wild Child and it was just it's just a puny little Dean and me and it's not like Dawkins yeah right yeah but it's just a song writing and stuff it's all right hey you can only mix the album one way you know when it's done after it's mastered so that's that's the way they wanted to master I would have I would have done it differently but that's me all right all right everybody ready for this all right number one here we go let's go to 1985 my album here we go it's gotta be striped there you go soldiers under command there is yeah another sophomore album right this is their second album as well so yeah yeah I mean this this album believe it or not sold 500 000 copies when gold one of the first christian artists to actually achieve such an accolade I shall we say look at that yeah I want us to pope bought one we did you probably did look at that you have what is that but you have some sort of the band that's the striper van that's a striper van look at that the road war is that's the road warrior probably yeah yeah you know guns did you know them as rocks was jean or do you know them as striper chris no no I've never really met the guys that much I I will say uh I went to the felt forum um probably 86th in New York and they were playing and I had a pass and everything and before they were done playing we went into the hospitality room me and my friend my friend was a bartender right we and I had a I had a backstage pass go wherever I wanted and we get into the hospitality room and this is before they're off stage and they had the you know they had stuff set up like black and yellow m&m's in a big bowl and my they had a they had a big bar there my buddy went let's get a beer and the beer would didn't work so they weren't serving any beer you know after after professor religious my buddy's a bartender we got we opened up underneath the thing and tapped the beers and put the you know co2 bottles on it we had the bars we had we poured about 20 beers and left them on the counter and split you know so there was alcohol there I guess it wasn't supposed to be you know Michael sweet I gotta say though we've known Michael sweet for a very long time and he's a super nice guy he's got a great voice some people like that type of voice other people don't right I mean it's a you know he's got a killer voice man yeah yeah back in the day I mean this is something new right a band singing about Jesus and but for me it's always been about the music and the quality of the musicianship to the writing and they had it all they had it all so that the subject matter didn't bother me whatsoever reading Michael sweet's books as many people hated them because they sang about Jesus and a lot of Christians hated them because they were a heavy metal band singing about Jesus so they couldn't win no matter what they did yeah Jesus been around for 2,000 years you know yeah but I just I just I they have a lyric a few lyrics in their in their songs that were in the Mormon book the hymn book you know as they sing the lyrics you know I think they have a song that's saying onward christian soldiers oh yeah yeah the last song behind him of the republic yeah onward soldiers martin off the way it's all right it's their bag you know yeah yeah you know and then you know interview Michael sweet in the passage I think it's my favorite of the catalog and he he's on the record are saying it's it's probably his as well because it's it was raunchy it was new it was a full album rocked hard and didn't get us as polished as some of the later albums so yeah did he go sing for boston yes yeah yeah you could see he's got that voice he's got that bostonish voice right you know that the only guy in the room that was Oz fox the guitar player yep right who who unfortunately was in the hospital recently there I hope he's doing better so what's wrong with him he's got a brain tumor unfortunately oh he's serious yeah yeah unfortunately and he's uh yeah he's getting some treatment now and uh you know the striper's still kicking it 2020 they just released their new album actually not too long ago we reviewed and Michael on Tim Gaines is playing for Aldo Nova and all these years later they're still they're still together recording and in one passenger and another so Michael sweet's got solo albums released all the time so yeah all right so everybody what I'm gonna ask this question out to everybody del text what albums did we miss in 1985 well if I could if I could just add to that you know there were some disappointments in that year too right I mean raven had a great album with rape what about helix yeah helix helix long way to heaven you know that was a for me it was a little too commercial to make the list it was after had their big success of walking the razor's edge it was a at the time and that's what we try to do with these lists how we see these albums now but what how we felt at the time and for me that was a little bit of a letdown there's some great cuts off of the long way to heaven like deep cuts of knife but a little too commercial for me so you remember one band you miss is member warrior yeah fighting for the warrior fighting for the earth yeah it almost made the list chris it almost made the leg did you ever see them play me where would we be how does that start off Alan where would we be warrior joe floyd plays guitar for them right and he's in he's in LA he engineers a lot of albums he engineered a resurrection by rob helper with help and that that album's probably got the one of the most heavy metal sounds I've ever heard resurrection yeah yeah I mean what he sings about kind of turns me off you know it's about it's about all west hollywood antics whatever but the men the guitar work is just monstroy z-play guitar on it right right go for it and warrior he's uh he's he he uh he he's a he helped me if he helped me with some of my guitar sound back in 82 okay that almost made the list it was Alan Alan who's who sings for uh warrior bachardi Perry what a great voice he played with Steve Stevens yeah in that other band a comic playboys yes yes yes yeah man this guy's killer voice killer but you go you got raven you know is a bit of a letdown with stay hard you got rush who pretty much gave up the guitar with power windows all synthesizers yeah even accept after balls to the wall you know it's kind of a little bit of a commercial you know screaming for a love bite you know yeah well a lot of people want to accept I see a lot of accept here and malice malice was another man yeah malice was killer man malice was kind of pre queens rage I guess right they had that sound halloween right invasion of your privacy that was a good follow-up to rat out out of the cellar right that was a huge album at the time invasion of your privacy yeah killer cover um the oh sacred heart could have made the list but again and looking back you're like hey what's what's going on here you know there's and we played the troubadour once with rat opened and warrior played after was played in between well wow those are the days and armoured saint and yeah five was that their first album march of the saints I think it was well I think it was 84 yeah I thought that was oh delirious nomad delirious nomad the one right after that was 1985 uh a slayer hello eights that was in 1985 and those these are the names that people are throwing out here and yes we already talked about the last command a lot of people saying the last command the last command oh here's a big one mega death killing is my business and business is good that's right they had an album called that killing is my business and business is good that was you the first the debut album by mega don't you remember what's his name had a song called rocking is my business and business is good no remember no no who was it sorry don't remember that one has somebody from la that had a band I forget the name of them um but he was killed in a motorcycle accident a few years later he had a song called rocking is my business and business is good yeah I don't remember it but it's cool uh exodus bonded by blood that was a big one for them that was a big one for them uh and I'm looking at everybody else's comments here in power so you you can see in 85 right the thrash movement's coming in and the other side of that is going a lot of more commercials it was starting to get a little split the scene right power slave was 86 right alan or is that 84 I can't remember we just did it with 84 84 yeah that was power slave yeah yeah it was just the live album live after death by iron maiden that one that was gonna put because but we've decided to do more studio albums or the live albums you said what are the live albums um I like a lot the live at their ferno raven yeah uh number 85 85 yeah 85 live I'll have to check if that might be 84 but live after death for sure yeah there's triumph stages there was there a double double live album came out at this time as well man a war into the glory ride man a war into the glory ride it's good album I guess it was 1985 four horsemen which I've never really listened to but somebody's ready for us man that's the guy hey the four horsemen that's the guy rockings my business business is good that's right yeah that's the four horsemen that's what that's what uh lucha said I saw them years later with Ron young from Little Caesar singing for them yeah well the singer got in an accident on a motorcycle which like the almond brothers you know oh okay scorpions worldwide live that was another live album that was a very big album uh Chris somebody wants to ask if you saw zolar x zolar x no no no uh yeah I never had the chance to see too many bands because I was always out on the road planned yeah and then when I get when I get home I'd be a homeboy you know stay at home I'd be glad just sit at home yeah it's interesting because since you're on the road all the time you didn't get a chance to really get into these albums back then right by time you're touring and you're playing you're not really like me and Alan we're just you know buying the albums listening to the music but you're busy working right yeah yeah you never have a chance to see magazines or whatever you know depends on where you are you know in a truck stop but you just sleep all day and you know do a show at night the only time you get to see albums when you do in stores yeah okay you do a record in store and you sign autographs and the guy the owner of the store go okay guys at the end he'll go you can go out and pick out 10 albums you want it'd be great I'd go pick out did it did I've been sticking them in my pockets you know Chris Chris uh Ranger Ragnar says hi sabotage and you know if you know what Chris Ragnar is uh power of Ragnar Ragnar is he in London Ragnar are you in London I don't know but power of the night is sabotage yeah did King Diamond put out an album in 1985 I don't think so I don't think so I don't think so you're a you're a diamond specialist Jim Chris Martin says Chris is a great guest Chris a lot of love for you Chris a lot of love for you a lot and I'm very I'm me and Alan are looking forward to seeing you're a documentary yes wait 2021 I feel like we're living the documentary Alan with Chris it'll be it'll be amusing you know it's got a lot of my friends from from when I was a kid you know they're talking there you go UFO misdemeanor UFO misdemeanor I'm just reading out the albums that people are like for janker in that I don't think so misdemeanor I don't know I don't know he has left unless he no I don't think so he's in Bedford Ragnar is in Bedford I'm not sure what Bedford is is that UK Bedford or US your friend it's gotta be England yeah I know I got a good friend named Ragnar in England okay Venom I have zero friend's name right Steve Grimmett Steve Grimmett Alan your friend in England okay Ragnar no no no Steve Grimmett you have a friend in England no I said no friend's name Ragnar oh okay yes yes and that's about it so that's it yeah there we go that's our top 10 list thanks for Chris for giving us his insight from the le scene yeah taking time to share his thoughts and listening to the albums today so yeah yeah and go pick up and and you're you're working on a new album there's an indigo go yes go uh you know help Chris out you know yeah find the album go there fun 10 bucks on that's good anything yeah there's no touring so we can't make those albums you can't find the funds to make those albums because that's usually what you do in touring you get the money from the tour put back into the album and create the music for the fans so if you guys want some cool music by Chris Holmes and you want it to sound really good you know please feel free to donate usually get your money from the record label yeah so the fans are the record they charge you back on the on the back end they send you a bill on the back end right thank you everybody fatal torture it was 1986 yes it was 1986 all right guys thank you so much a lot of people are watching and a lot of people had a good time watching this show so Chris you were a great guest once again thank you Chris check this out watch check out my eyes here you want to see how you look from left to right you go like this is that good or what yeah it's good i couldn't do that i couldn't do that yeah you can let's go like look at you jeez it's kind of freaky kind of freaky all right man well thanks again i hope everybody enjoyed our show 1985 and 1986 will be down the road that's all


As believers, we'll often disagree with one another on doctrines, methodologies, terminology and even style. And while there is a time to call out falsehood, we must remember to not major on the minors and minor on the majors. So, as long as we agree on the fundamentals of the faith, Christ's identity, his sinlessness, his resurrection, God's perfect word, and so forth, we can walk in godly unity. So let's pray right now for God to unite his church. Father, I pray that you would help us to walk humbly. Help us to put your word above our opinions. And Lord, help us to win one another and not seek to win arguments. Help us to walk in faith and not in fear. Help us to forgive those who offended us. Keep us united, Lord. May we walk in your love. In Jesus' name we pray. I want you to say it because you believe it. Say, Amen.


I'm a little more Mike in hand kind of guy. So, yes, this sounds a little bit like hyperbole, an entirely different paradigm for cholesterol, but I'm gonna kind of take you through it. First, of course, my conflicts of interest. I usually get to say none, but because some people have been actually contributing as individuals to a business entity, we've had to accept that through my wife's company, Iron Ninja Technologies, and that makes for some funny bedtime conversation because she'll say, well, you'll need to clean up your nightstander. You won't get funding for next quarter. This is also gonna sound like hyperbole, but I actually record every single thing I ingest, every single thing. In fact, I have a standing rule for every single conference that if you can catch me ingesting something that I didn't take a picture of with my phone first, I'll give you $100. And since my wife hasn't collected on that yet, I gotta say the odds aren't looking good for you. And just this last Tuesday, I hit my 100th blood test in the last 32 months. That also sounds crazy, but no, since November 2015, I've actually had a number of different blood tests. And I'm doing this to really emphasize just how serious I am about the data I'm collecting because what I'm gonna show you next is also going to sound quite outrageous. So I just wanted to show this real quick. This also was a first two days ago. I had to get stuck five times in order to get the A vials. It's almost as if my blood was on strike. So now I'm gonna introduce something that I call the inversion pattern. And you'll know why in a second because when I went on a ketogenic diet, I went low carb, high fat, my cholesterol shot through the roof. And after that happened, I became very obsessed about learning everything I could about cholesterol homeostasis. And sure enough, as a software engineer, I kept seeing a familiar pattern. I kept seeing what looked to me like a distributed object network. Now you don't need to know what that is, but I will tell you this much. It's about different objects talking to each other. And I stand by that original hypothesis all the way to this day, almost three years later. Now what you're seeing is a graph. It's a very special graph that has the first eight data points that I got going all the way back to November 2015 up until a conference called low carb veil. And those eight data points I got over three months time. And they said at that time that that's just way too frequent of testing. Like I'm not gonna get my cholesterol to change. It takes like three months to change your cholesterol. But I'm saying no, no, no, no. It is like a network. It actually changes relatively quickly. And these first eight data points illustrate exactly why. And guess what? We see on that left axis a three day average of dietary fat. But on the right axis in the blue, we see the resulting LDL cholesterol collected the day after those three days. So after that conference, after I presented, I told them in advance, I said now I'm gonna do something pretty outlandish. I'm gonna do one weeks testing where I actually take my blood every single day. And I'm gonna eat to a food plan to try to induce the curves. So that's what I did. You see in the dotted line what I did.  And so what happened to my LDLC? My LDLC went the other direction. Further moved the inversion. Now of course as an engineer, once you've learned something like this, your next step is to, well go ahead and step on the gas. So at that point I ate a huge amount of fat. What happened to my LDLC? My LDLC dropped to the lowest that I had done since I started my research. Now I'm gonna go ahead and fill in the rest. There's quite a few fun stories past this point. But as you can see, there is quite definitely an inverse pattern. And I'm gonna actually flip that axis on the right side so that you can actually see the inversion very closely. You ready? Now let me go ahead and throw up the Pearson and the regression. And you can see just how tight this relationship is between each other. There's no question. While there are a few outliers that you can see in three different spots. One at the first third and one that's about halfway through and one that's over there for the most part. They don't deviate that far from the mean.  Basically, right now this is happening on a Thursday morning. If I took my blood this morning, what I would do is I would look back yesterday, Wednesday, the day before that, Tuesday and the day before that, Monday. And from that, I would know what the greatest influence was on my dietary cholesterol, on a ketogenic diet. Well, that's what this graph is. Each of those couplings are the three days before and the resulting LDLC. Let me kind of really drive this home and put this another way. There isn't anything in this graph that represents days four and before. It's only that three day window. So now we look at this in a scatterplot. You can actually see the regression line. You can see for yourself just how tight this relationship is. Now I thought that maybe LDL particle count would go by the same equation. It actually doesn't. And it was that week long experiment that I found this out. It does still have a three day window, but interestingly, it has a two day gap. And I've talked to a number of people about this. I don't have enough time in this presentation to explain what my estimations are, but if you ignore the two day gap and you look only at those three days before that, so like using the same example of this Thursday morning, we'd be looking at Monday, Sunday, and Saturday of the days before, we would get a graph that looks like this. And this is the same 29 data points I showed you from earlier. Only this time, the dotted orange line represents that three, those three days with the two day gap. And the purple line now represents LDLP. And I'm gonna flip that axes again so you can see just how tight that relationship is. And get this, the regression is even a little bit better. On the LDLP. So the particle count is surprisingly also following by the same level of an inversion pattern. All right, so where am I going with this? Well, basically that network that I saw early on, I hypothesized and thus far, I seem to have lots and lots of accumulating evidence. Ultimately comes down to the fact that cholesterol is just following an energy distribution system. That's what it really comes down to. And to unpack this, I'm gonna have to take this back a little bit to the three channels of energy you're already used to hearing about all the time. You're used to hearing about carbs and protein being converted potentially to glucose.   But actually no, there's this whole other world by which you get direct fatty acid delivery to your cells. And in particular, I wanna focus on one channel, the channel of triglycerides being loaded up onto these two lipid-carrying proteins known as lipoproteins, the chylomicrons and the VLDLs. Let's break it down just a little bit further. Think of them kind of like boats. It's not really how they look, by the way. But the triglycerides get loaded up in a chylomicron in your gut and effectively end up going into your bloodstream and very quickly drop off those triglycerides to your tissues, lots and lots of energy delivery and very quickly come to chylomicron remnants. And this happens within minutes to hours at the most before it then eventually gets reabsorbed by the liver. Now, here's this other line, this other form of boats that ultimately comes from the liver. From fatty acids you have primarily from storage, from your fat cells, typically from lipolysis. These guys are counterbalancing the brown line, the chylomicrons. That's where ultimately this inversion pattern comes from is if I'm eating lots of fat, there's less of a need on the part of the body to up-regulate as many of the VLDLs. And this is really the story of energy delivery right here at least in terms of lipid-carrying proteins. Now, that's not the only thing that lipoproteins do. There's also this other lipoprotein you've probably heard of HDL, right? HDL is the good cholesterol. Well actually, technically it's the cholesterol found on the lipoprotein for HDL. But there's this other lipoprotein that HDL actually works closely with the more you learn about the lipid system. The bad LDL, right? And when they say LDL cholesterol, what they mean is the cholesterol found on that lipoprotein. Well, when we put this all together because this is the support side of the fence, we're gonna go ahead and draw a dotted line. We see energy deliver is on one side and we see supports on the other side. So, watch closely. Energy delivery, support, energy delivery, support. But now you should have noticed there's only one lipoprotein, one lipoprotein that is doing double duty. The first one, the top line, the chylomocrons, they're mainly just delivering energy. That's their main job. Clearly, HDL, its main job is support. Only VLDLs to IDLs to LDLs are running the gambit of both delivering energy and also ultimately playing a support role. And the reason this matters a lot is I'll show you in the next slide because you probably hear all the time, VLDLs and triglycerides, especially at a high level, tend to be associated with disease, right? Well, they are when they're found lingering in the bloodstream. In fact, it isn't the VLDL and the triglycerides use that is the problem. It is their lack of use. And this is commonly associated with insulin resistance and exceeding one's personal fat threshold. This inability to park the triglycerides necessarily means VLDLs will remain longer in the bloodstream, which is a clear sign of trouble. And I can kind of illustrate this pretty well when you start to realize what the life cycle is for this APOB 100. This VLDL to LDL life cycle. How long does anyone know here right now how long does a VLDL last? Does anyone know before remodels, anybody? All right, it's about three to 60 minutes. How long does an IDL, the intermediate lipoprotein last, anybody? 30 minutes or less. How long does an LDL last? Two days? Two to four days. Let me put that a different way. For 98 to 99% of the life cycle of an LDL, or I should say of an APOB 100 containing lipoprotein, it will be an LDL particle if it's not absorbed by the liver. So with that in mind, here is an example of a high healthy lipid energy trafficking system. High VLDL secretion, trafficking and use, leaving little VLDLs and more of their successor LDLs. So these boats, they've got plenty of places to park, they're triglycerides. These are of course adipocytes, right? They're just anxiously pulling it off. It's all right, the docks are empty, no problem. Let's flip it to a different system. How about instead we have an unhealthy energy trafficking system. Adipocytes are full, there's not a lot of places to park it. So even in low VLDL secretion, if use is lower due to poor uptake, it can result in abnormally long VLDL residence time. So you've got a lot of VLDLs. You've got a lot of triglycerides, they're cargo. You've got a lot of remnant cholesterol, the cholesterol found on VLDLs and IDLs, which are closely associated with disease. So I want you to put your engineer hats on with me here. And let me ask you this very interesting question. What's the key similarity between an adipocyte and a very low density lipoprotein? Similarity is each is primarily staging triglycerides. As fat-based energy to make available two cells on demand. So what's the key difference between these two? Well, an adipocyte is stationary and a VLDL is mobile. So an easy way to think of this as an engineer is a VLDL is effectively an adipocyte on the go. Simple. Now, with all of this in mind, I want to introduce you to lean mass hyper responders. Let's take a step back. If you're going on a paleo diet, if you're going on Mediterranean, if you're going on any diet for that matter, that's low carb and tends to be higher fat, you're gonna find a small percentage end up having high levels of LDL cholesterol, some fraction thereof, right? And we tend to call those, it's not, I'm not sure if it's actually a literature term at this point, but a lot of people would call these hyper responders. This predates me coming into the field. But about a year ago, I identified that there's actually a very specific pattern of people that I call lean mass hyper responders. And I wrote this article on my blog, cholesterolcode.com, and when I did, this was the graphic, which is now kind of a famous graphic. Basically, I was saying, look, you got a low carb diet, lower glycogen stores, right? Lower adipose tissue, therefore lower body fat. And yet you have higher energy demands and there seems to be a tight association with people who therefore have a high LDL of 200 or higher. 200 or higher, by the way, is beyond that which is typically considered those who have familiar hypercholesterolemia. That's just super high, right? But then they also would have an HDL of like 80 milligrams per deciliter or higher. Yet they would have triglycerides of 70 or lower, shows a very, very efficient fat use system. And no surprise, more and more people when they send me their profiles at cholesterolcode.com. I would see these numbers and I would be able to then start guessing. I'd be like, are you lean and or fit? They'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, actually, how would you know that? I only sent you my lipid numbers.  I asked them to send me their pictures that I could post in the presentation. This is what they look like. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking these guys must be on death's door, right? Yeah, this, by the way, was my favorite one that got sent by Prescott. And sure enough, sure enough, his LDL is 218. I guarantee a lot of practitioners right now would just ignore the HDL and the triglycerides. They go, you need to be on two medications right now. You need to take care of this. By the way, whatever you're doing that's getting you all of these cross country miles, doesn't matter. It's not helping you, right? Okay, so let's cut to the chase. Are lean mass hyper responders at high risk for cardiovascular disease? And really, this is just kind of the overall question. Are you at high risk of cardiovascular disease if you go low carb, high fat? Well, let me show you a special little graphic I made about five months ago. This I call the low carb cholesterol challenge. And I made it fun and friendly. And I really pinged a lot of pro-lippid lowering experts, including like the National Lipid Association and many of the different peoples that are luminaries in the field. And I said, look, look, look.  Well, okay, then submit the best study you can find that shows normal, non-treated, that is no gene, no drug studies, right? Normal non-treated people who have high HDL, low triglycerides and high LDL, who have high rates of cardiovascular disease? Now I'm gonna give you a multiple choice answer. Did I get five studies, 50 studies, or 500 studies in response to this? Anyone wanna guess? Zero, zero, yes, correct. That was a trick question, there's. I did not get a single study that met this criteria. And a lot of people who said, well, come on, all the data is in drug and gene studies, right? No, no, actually, I don't know if you've heard of Framingham. But the Framingham offspring study, this study was just fantastic. They grabbed about 4,000 people who didn't have a history of cardiovascular disease and weren't on lipid lowering therapy, so no drugs, right? And then this is what they found. They found when they stratified by low HDL and high HDL, if you did get triglycerides below 100 and LDL below 100, you got what you expected. The best score on there is 0.6, that's the odds ratio. Looks fantastic. So we would expect if we were to flip this and go for above 100 LDL, then the odds ratio would probably be 1.5 to 2.0, right? No, it's 0.7, the second lowest risk ratio, specifically for cardiovascular disease. Okay, okay, well maybe though, this includes a lot of people who had an LDL of like 102 and 105. Fortunately, they had another risk stratification for people who had an LDL of 130 or above, also 0.7.  This is low triglycerides and high HDL and they just stratified between those two, right? Observational cohort study with our favorite high risk group men. And age 53 to 74 for that matter. And free of ischemic heart disease. This is now my new favorite graph.  If you see the dark bar on the left and the dark bar on the right, they're both HDL above 57 and triglycerides below 97. And they're nearly identical. Even better, you could go to the other side of the strat. And if you see that if your HDL is below 46 and your triglycerides are above 142, it doesn't matter if you get your LDL below 170. It doesn't matter if your LDL is above 170.  The reason I love this study so much is forget even LDL. Let's look at some of the other very clear risk markers. Such as smoking. Which of these groups would you rather be in? In the lower, the high triglyceride versus HDL. How about physical activity level? You actually had people in the low physical activity level with a lower risk of ischemic heart disease. With a lower risk of ischemic heart disease. So long as their HDL was above 57, their triglycerides below 97. Even hypertension. Hypertension is nearly identical.  So long as my triglycerides are low and my HDL is high. So I want to fit this in real quick because I know a lot of you guys particularly are interested on the athletic side. What's really neat is the first nine months of my data. I was in primarily a sedentary lifestyle on purpose because I anticipated probably affect my lipids. Well now that you've seen that I've mapped my inversion pattern. We can actually see a differential when I actually had running that was applied after those nine months and for five months following. So you recognize the inversion pattern from earlier but now we have a whole bunch of new data points that are on the right side and I kind of made them glow for you. We're gonna flip that axes and I'm gonna kind of highlight them so that you can see the high exercise period. And now you see a gap. Against what the original inversion pattern was. And that gap to me is no mystery. You see LDL particles also get endocytost.  They're like a care package basically. And so more of them get removed from the bloodstream in the case of where you have to have more muscle repair and growth. And therefore less LDL particles, less LDLC. Voila, my cold open, which I shouldn't have done by the way. You're supposed to like, if you're working up to a half marathon you should train for three months. I trained for six weeks. So my first week I had a seven mile run cold and it really sucked. And I was really sore. I was really sore and so I wasn't surprised when 48 hours later when I got a blood draw I had very low LDLC. What's that last massive gap? That was following a 5K half marathon and full marathon week. 24 hours after the full marathon. You also see the same thing with the LDLP. And while triglycerides are a lot noisier to track, you know that I've already talked about triglycerides as a source of energy. You're actually depleting the triglycerides on a per particle basis. So what I expect would happen with triglycerides in the bloodstream after I've ran a full marathon? I would expect them to go down, right? Well, so let's flip this inversion pattern so we can see them clearly. And sure enough, the three lowest triglyceride scores in my blood that I've ever had were 24 hours after a half marathon, a half marathon and a full marathon. Not surprising to me at all. I have some breaking news. So when I say breaking, I mean, quite literally, this got handed to me just a few days ago. The first paper for the Lipid Energy Model is actually in development right now. I'm quite excited about this. It will be focusing on the first phase of my data, the inversion pattern. And it will also feature the 10 day Feldman protocol which you can find on the website if you're curious, performed by Craig Moffat and Silvio Furrow as well. And it's being prepared by the Magnificent Tommy Wood. Could you give him a round of applause, by the way? I appreciate all the work he's put into it thus far. I'm paying him the same amount I'm getting paid, by the way. Just so you know. This is what the Feldman protocol is, is that basically you spend a couple days eating low calorie but on a ketogenic diet and then you spend a couple days on high calorie and a high calorie ketogenic diet. And we can see Silvio Furrow's in the first line. We could see mine stratified over here. You saw this from a little bit earlier. And we can also see Craig Moffat's. You can see all of our scatter plots compared to one another. The relationships are quite striking. In fact, they hit it out of the park a little bit better than I did. And these are actually the Tommy-approved bullet points, by the way. And I don't want to run too low on time. So I'm just gonna say that this is something you'll be able to read a lot more here pretty soon because we'll actually have it in a formal paper. But I did want to also fit in real quick because this happened last year, the KetoFest experiment. This won't make it into paper because it was a little more loose. But we basically did the same protocol, just basically what I just now mentioned. Low calorie ketogenic where everybody stayed that way. And then at the beginning of KetoFest, on the morning of Friday, we all took a blood test.  And I posted the hypothesis for this in advance of the experiment, predicting that most people would see their LDL cholesterol drop. And I'm thankful for the folks at PTS Diagnostics who basically covered it. And we got people like this guy, I was one of the two Keto dudes, Richard Morris. And by the way, Amber O'Hearn, who's also here by the way for the conference. And this is the axes. And color coded here, I have everybody's lines. As you can see, almost all of them head downward. It didn't matter where you started. High or low in your total LDLC, you usually saw a decline, 19 of the 22 had a decrease of five to 38% in their LDLC in three days. Whereas just three had an increase and three increases only one to 2%. In fact, this last table, you can really see it. All of those that are in blue, they saw a decline. Everybody else, everybody that's in the orange actually saw a slight increase. So across the board, averaging them all together, it was a drop of 25.7 milligrams per deciliter for the entire group. Now I just wanna finish real quick by thanking my patrons. I am actually only accepting money pretty much directly from individuals. And in doing so, I'm impressed that I've been able to basically be crowd of funded through this research. So I wanted to thank them. And then finally, I wanted to thank you for coming and spending this time with me. Thank you so much. Do we have any questions for Dave? And Dave, if you can repeat the questions so they can pick it up on that. Kate, do you like it? Love it, love it. Here, I'll just give this to you. I've done a lot of research on the effect of visceral fat on LDL small particles. And all this research is done in Japan. And because I have inherited problem with visceral fat, I got interested in it.  IL-6, IL-6 reduces HDL particles. And they found that if you could get rid or reduce your IL-6, HDL-2 particles, HDL-3 particles go up. And they found that those are the two sets of particles that cleans out LDL.  Well, I definitely agree with reducing visceral fat.  And it's true, at a certain threshold of cytokines, the liver actually up regulates LDL particles. And there's my colleague at cholesterolcode.com, Siobhan Huggins, actually gets into this quite a bit. She's even doing a talk this weekend on it.  And it's actually much more concerning because it can intertwine with the organs and so forth. Bottom line is adipose sites, your adipose tissue is really your best friend for staging and providing energy. It's when the fat is getting accumulated. And that's why I showed that slide from earlier where there's like an accumulation of fat in your adipose tissue where you've like reached your personal fat threshold and you can't find a lot of other places to store it that it has to then get stored in other places. And the reason your body does that is because there is a worse place for it to be stored in, which is in the bloodstream. You shouldn't have a lot of fat in the bloodstream.  Do you want us to have any questions? Yeah. Ah. And I noticed because of that, because I've tracked my HDL on the computer, I, the study that came out last year of the University of Copenhagen to the IHDL associated with, I guess, possibly the president. And in your data that you've got on the lean mass hypereresponders, were you able to look at the blood levels or see if there was a wall? Yes. So to repeat what you're saying, you're saying you're a lean mass hypereresponder, you've also seen very high levels of HDL, which is typical of lean. I often see, by the way, HDL and lean mass hypereresponders exceeding 100 all the time. That's right. Yep, and that's actually surprisingly common in this profile. You should, by the way, check out our Facebook group. We actually just opened it last month for lean mass hypereresponders. So, per what you're talking about, and it's kind of ironic because Tommy actually did a podcast, which is sort of how we started up some great conversations, in that there is insurance data that showcases higher, and it's all-cause mortality. Yeah, higher all-cause mortality for those people who have like higher HDL. The problem is is they don't, I don't think they stratify for alcoholism, right? And of course, the other downside is you can't always count on surveys to be honest about the level of alcoholism of the participants necessarily. The problem is is that in order to disentangle the potential alcoholic impact on HDL cholesterol, you have to actually be able to determine that toxicity. And per what you're talking about with inflammation, that typically comes with the inflammation. But there's also something else that's exciting about it. Typically, you find in those people who have very high levels of HDL, who are alcoholic, high levels of triglycerides. And so usually you'll tend to find that there already is some dysregulation that's going on within the lipid system. And that's why you always couple the two.  And you actually don't have a lot, you probably don't have a lot of excessive energy parked in your bloodstream. So the other thing I wanna mention is this is a little bit theoretical. But I actually believe that another reason lean mass hyperepondercy, a higher level of HDL, is because there's actually some degree of peripheral energy distribution on the part of HDL particles that is still relatively new. Like it's, I even almost had in my channel, but it's still somewhat theoretical. But because they have, I'm gonna super geek out for a sec guys, I'm sorry. Because they also can carry the Apolyproprotein C2 as well as being bloated with triglycerides after connecting to a cholesterol-listered transfer protein. I'm sorry, I warned you. They actually, there's a legitimate reason as to why there may actually be a part that they play in lipolytic activity. So, sorry, that may have been a little bit more than you asked for, but that's kind of the gist of it. Me personally, I have a very difficult time thinking that the high levels of HDL associated with being a lean mass hypereponder is independently causal of a problem. It could be indicative of a larger problem, but I'm somewhat skeptical. Yes? Are lean mass hypereponders born that way or do lifestyle choices die up and activity can you become one? I believe it's more the latter than the former. So to repeat your question, you're asking if lean mass hypereponders are born that way, is it genetically determined? Or is it lifestyle based? So I'm gonna say something, you guys have heard about apoE4, for example. Before, when I was starting on this journey, I got a lot of information that suggested that apoE4 is the biggest determiner as to whether you're a hypereponder. I would now almost categorically reject that it's the biggest factor. I believe that the biggest factor is how lean and or fit you are while also being very low carb. I believe you got those three things in common. Your chances of having super high levels of LDL cholesterol are substantially higher, but so too is your chances of having high HDL and low triglycerides. And therefore, as of this moment in time, it could be that there's a gene component that's still associated with who ends up being a lean mass hypereponder who doesn't. But given the fact that the association I see like I just showed, like I wasn't cherry picking those body pictures that I was telling you before, I just told a whole bunch of people to send me those. And I knew they would look like that.  It definitely looks a lot more like a lifestyle situation.  Because by all accounts, any conventional doctor right now should say that they are at high risk and they're gonna be developing atherosclerosis at a super high rate. And per the data you were asking for before, not just with inflammation, but I also have a lot of them getting CACs and CIMTs, carotid intermediate thickness. I myself running at those super high levels for the first four tests that I had in my research saw regression. I actually had the most regression on my right side, which was, I wanna say, 685 nanometers, regressed down to 531, up until this most recent experiment. And that was running at super high levels of LDL cholesterol and LDL particle counts through most of my research. That's actually a longer story to unpack for a little bit later. But the point is, is the data as it stands right now is looking very encouraging. Yes. I understand why your data and the studies you highlighted provide considerable comfort for the folks who's LDL particle numbers go through the roof. But we do hear that one of the problems with that is that, and you mentioned the lingering issue, that the LDL particles at those high numbers are more likely to stay in the bloodstream and more likely to become damaged with oxidation. Can you say a little about this matter of oxidized LDL particles? Yes, yes. So to your point, you were asking the question on what about the concern of oxidation? Because as I'm sure a lot of you have heard, if you have like let's say 1,000 nanomoles of LDL particles, that's more preferable to having 2,000 because 2,000 are more likely to be oxidized. And the truth of the matter is that from my perspective as it stands right now, I feel, surprisingly, again, it's an engineer following the data. Mechanistically speaking, I think I would rather have more LDL particles to attack the same level of oxidation. It's the oxidation that is ultimately the biggest problem that we're looking for. And if part of the job of LDL particles are to clear oxidation, I mean, it's part of why they have antioxidants on board. It's part of why I believe that they intentionally get their phospholipid shells oxidized is because it's part of their method of clearance. That's still preferable to the naked tissues of your endothelial cells that line your vessel walls, getting oxidized instead, or for that matter, being exposed to free radicals because that can cause a cascading inflammatory effect. I would rather there be a controlled inflammatory burn than one that ultimately has to get addressed too much later. So in a sense, no, and following the data as it stands right now, all things considered, I think I would rather have more LDL particles than less. Again, to meet with the existing demand against the oxidative stress that there already is. This is one of my problems with people taking on a lot more polyunsaturated fatty acids, especially hydrogenated. You can bring down your LDLC and your LDLP, but there's a lot of evidence that suggests it's with more peroxidation of your LDL particles so that basically they're getting cleared by scavengers receptors. I think a better way to lower your LDLP or LDLC is to just have more carbs if that's what you're into. I don't think it's a good idea to find strategies to oxidize it so that you get a better blood test. This is my two cents.


My name is Yiri Olsha, I work for Red Hat. This presentation is about EBPF iterators. I am assuming that the audience is familiar a bit with the EBPF in a nutshell, it's technology in the kernel that allows you to load custom program to the kernel and this program will be executed on certain points in the kernel. So we have many, many different types of the program that we can load to the kernel. For example, for TracePoint, for K-Probes, for any other probes and many network objects and EBPF iterator is another object that you can load the program for. So it's another program type. As the name suggests, the program allows you to iterate several kernel objects. There is a support for some of them building to the kernel. So you can iterate, for example, task, you can iterate memory maps, the files and when you iterate the objects for each object in the iteration, the EBPF program will be executed and in this EBPF program, you can actually choose, you can go to the object and choose whatever field of the object. So for example, if you are iterating task, you can go, you have the task struct and you can go to any field and send it to the user space where the user space can actually do whatever he wants. Currently we are displaying, but you can choose what you want to do. So I have very sophisticated diagram that shows what I just said. So there's several objects that are allowed to be iterated that are supported to be iterated in the objects through the EBPF iterator. It's tasks, files, tags of the task, EBPF programs, EBPF maps and many networking objects. Basically how it looks from Cisco point of view. Let's say you are going to iterate tasks, all the tasks in the systems will be iterated and if you provide a program like this this program will be executed for every task object. There's a extra helper for iterators, BPF sec printf which works basically like printf helper and so you have the format string where you can then you can specify anything that you would put for the normal printf call and you can go to the task object which is basically the pointer to the task struct and you can reference any field under the task struct and send it to the user space. How it looks on the syscall level. So basically when you want to load EBPF program to the kernel you first need to load the program. You need to execute the BPF proglot syscall here in this example, I'm actually using the EBPF function which is the wrapper for the syscalls. So you load the program, you've got the file descriptor of the program. The program is verified in the kernel and the kernel provides you with the file descriptor. Then with the file descriptor you don't create the iterator itself but you create the link layer which is really helpful I will show later on. So you create another file descriptor which is the link you specify the BPF trace iter and then you can create the iterator itself. There's another syscall for the BPF iter create where you specify the link and then you get the file descriptor and you can read it like a normal file and in this file descriptor, in this data for this file descriptor you get all the information that was printed in the EBPF program. So in the EBPF program above you see that it's basically printing the task pit and that's the information you will get all the PIDs in the system you will read in the syscall and after you close it like a normal file descriptor. So that's one usage of the iterators. The next usage is something which I really like, it's really nice. You can take the link layer file descriptor and make something that we call pin it to the file under the BPF file system. So you take the file descriptor, you provide the file name and the file will magically appear under the BPF file system. So if you go to sysfsbpf or wherever you have the BPF file system mounted, you will actually see the file there and if you open it and read it, for example with the cut, the iterator will be created and you will get the fresh data from the moment that you actually open this file. So this is really nice feature with the BPF program. You can prepare some debug output that you want to see. For example, we'll see in the PIDs maybe not the best example but you are interested in some task property. You prepare it to the file and whenever you need it, if you do the cut on the file under the BPF file system, you have the fresh data from the system. So this is how it works in a nutshell. So it's a feature that allows you to basically iterate several kernel objects and it's quite fresh features. So there's not too much documentation on it. The best documentation you will find is the BPF self-test. It's probably the best source of information. How to use any BPF feature because anytime there is a new feature for the kernel to the BPF, it needs to have also the test. So and the test go to BPF self-test which is located under kernel sources in tools testing self-test BPF. So if you go there, you can see how the BPF is actually used. And if you are interested in iterators, you just display the files under the prox directory that have the iter in the name. And here in these files, you will actually get all the usage which is currently available for the iterators. So if you open one of those files, you will see code like this. So this is basically a C code of the BPF program and you can see how you can actually get the tasks and get the information from it and print it back. So this is one thing that you actually see how it's used and you see how it's written. Another nice thing is how actually to use this BPF self-test. And this is actually available through new BPF tool subcomment. BPF tool is like helper tool for many BPF tasks under Fedora. There is a specific BPF tool RPM. So shouldn't be a problem just to install it. And if you actually manage to compile the BPF self-test, you will end up with many objects files for the iterators. And every each of this object files, you can load with the BPF tool iter pin subcomment and pin it to some file under the CISFS BPF. So let's say you want to see what is the BPF iter task stack.o doing. So you just run BPF tool iter pin and the object file and the file name under the CISFS BPF. And the object will be pinned. And then you go to the CISFS BPF and get the file and you will actually get the result of running the iterator. So the combination of going through the BPF self-test and using the BPF iter pin is really nice. You can check every example and how it's working. This example displays the task stack for every process in the system. Normally you would go to the proc self stack or whatever the name of the file and you would need to do it or do it in the script. This way you open just the one file and you will have all the information. I have another example just to show that how powerful the powerful it's actually with the printf you can do any output that you actually want to the extent that you can mimic some of the proc file system files. So here I'm showing the BPF iter UDP4 from the self-test and they are displaying UDP sockets and they are displaying it in the same way as if you open the proc net UDP file. So you will get basically the same output and yeah, you can do much more with that. So this is like the lowest probably interface that you can get to the BPF self-test. It's the direct C interface together with the BPF tool iter sub command. You can use it like that and play with that. Let's go to the another eBPF ecosystem which is the BCC. BCC is a set of libraries and tools that use eBPF. As of now or a few days back when I was writing the presentation, there is no tool yet that would use the iterators. So not too much to play with under the BCC but there is actually support in the BCC ProBloadXATTR function which is one of the libraries functions to load the BPF programs and it has the support to load the iterators program. So this is good and there's also C++ support with really nice example on the task iterator. But like from the high level point of view still there's no tool yet that you could play with. Let's move on to the BPF trace which is even a little bit higher level than the BCC. But again, the support is not there but the good news is that it's in the progress. I will show you how the interface will look like. Currently the support is being added for two iterators, the iter task and iter task underscore file. The first one is just the task iteration that I just showed you in previous examples. So for every task, the program that you specify under BPF trace will be executed. The task file basically display every open file in the system together with its owner, with its owner with the task. Of course we can add many more and probably we will if there will be like people asking for that and if we see the need but we are starting with those two. I have a few examples, first one really easy. So you say BPF trace dash E, iter task. The iterators are basically another BPF trace event. So it will appear in the BPF trace dash L is another event and you say dash E, you specify the event, the iter task and then you specify the program. This one basically for each task that it iterates it displays the code string, which is the short name of the process and the PID for that. So every time you execute this BPF trace program you will get the list of the processes in the system together with the PID. So really nice, but not too helpful. The task file iterator is much nicer in this regard. Basically the program that you execute for this event is called for every open file in the system and what we display in this program is that first I get the task, the context task, all the objects in the iterator under the BPF trace are referenced by the context pointer. So when I say that you were the reference the task you need to go to the context and reference the task and then you can reference any field. So in this example and referencing the command field again together with the PID and as I said the program also get all the open files in the system together with the task. So this task has this file open. The file is basically the file kernel object. So you can reference it to any field under this object and we have already support for the path function that if you reference the F underscore path on the file object and call and use it as an argument for path function it will return the full path of the file. So basically in this output you will get all the open files in the system together with the task. So kind of LSOF functionality. I didn't write it to this example but also there's file descriptor available to open. To have this information on the context so you can actually see where the file is located which file descriptor is the file. So actually this output is already useful. And of course BPF trace adds the support for pinning which means that you can prepare the iterator and not use it at the moment when you prepare it but store it under this CSS BPF file. So in this example, if I specify under another double column the CSS BPF filing, the iterator will be created and pinned under the CSS BPF. So it will not be executed right away. You can see BPF trace writes program pins to the file. And then you can open the file and display what's needed. So very nice. As I said, this is ongoing process. There is a pull request. So if you are interested, I hope if everything goes right and smooth it could be there in a matter of weeks. Another thing I'd like to mention is that we will most likely use one of the iterators under the path because one of the iterator, basically iterate every memory map in the system which is exactly what we do when we start Perf for system-wide monitoring. Currently we can do that. The memory map iterator is there but at the moment we cannot make it parallel which is not faster than what we do in Perf but on the other hand it's cheaper because if you go to the proc file system and read all the data by yourself, every time you open proc file system entry it results in the kernel with extra memory allocated for the in-inode. So if you actually open this proc maps for tens of thousand processes, you can actually tell. So we hope that this iteration with the iterators will be cheaper but we need to make it faster. We need to make it parallel. So this is something which will come in the future. And last thing I want to mention, there's also a kernel config option BPF preload which allows you to compile BPF iterators to the kernel. So you can actually provide the BPF program under the kernel and compile it in and after you boot the kernel, it will boot with several files and then you can compile it under the ccFS BPF. So that's also useful.


Hey everyone, welcome to another video lesson from NavigationTrading.com. In this video, I want to talk about the use of stop losses when trading short strangles. So what we're looking at here is the E-Delta Pro backtesting software, and so let's run through the criteria of this study. To start with, we're using Symbol SPY. We're looking at a five-year backtested study on a 20 delta short strangle. We are entering trades with 45 days to expiration, and they need to have an IV rank of at least 30% to enter. We are closing our winning trades at 50% of max profit, and then the one variable we are going to change with the different examples is the stop loss. So the first one we're looking at is using a stop loss of 100% or one times the initial credit. So if your max profit on a trade when you enter is $1,000, then we're saying you're going to close the trade when you get to a point of being down $1,000, okay? So 100% stop loss. So let's take a look at what that looks like. You have a realized return of over $21,000. Your average profit per trade is $22, and your average P&L per day is $0.97, with a return on capital of 19%, okay? So it's profitable. Let's take a look at the next example. The only thing we're changing is we're changing our stop loss from 100% to 200%, okay? So we're two times your initial credit. So if your max profit or initial credit is $1,000, you're going to close the trade out once you hit a loss of 2,000, okay? So the results are a little bit worse. So total realized return $12,716, average profit $13 per trade, $0.54 is your P&L per day, with a return on capital of 10%. Next stop loss is 300%, okay? So three times your initial credit. You've got a realized return of over $16,000, average profit per trade $16, P&L per day of 65 cents, with a return on capital of 13%. Okay, now the next example is showing no stop loss. Now we get questions from members in the community all the time about, you know, why don't you use a stop loss? Why extend duration? Why roll? Why, you know, how can you not use a stop loss when it's an undefined risk trade? And here's why. Look at this significant difference. With no stop loss, we've got a return of over $53,000, average profit per trade of $55, and look at the P&L per day, $2.13. We had 97 cents, 54 cents, and 65 cents of P&L per day with the different stop loss scenarios, but with no stop loss, we've got $2.13 per day. It's over twice as profitable as any method using any of the stop loss scenarios. Return on capital jumps up to 47% and just a much more profitable way to trade these short strangles. The way that you manage your risk when you're trading these naked options or uncovered options is you've got to keep your position size small. You will realize these profits over time, but if your trade size gets too big relative to your account, that's when you can get hurt with these types of strategies. The other factor you do want to consider and when using one of these stop losses might make sense is if you are trading a smaller account and you want to trade a short strangle like this, you really have to have that risk defined mentality in mind either by actually defining your risk using an iron condor instead of a strangle or using one of these theoretical stop losses, 100%, 200%, 300%, and yes, they're not as profitable, but if you have a smaller account and you're going to trade a short strangle, then maybe utilizing one of these stop loss scenarios makes sense for your specific account. But this is why in our size account, we're trading for the alerts, we do not use stop losses, and you can see why is because the scenario of not using stop losses is a much more profitable way to trade. I hope this is helpful. If you want to learn more about what we're doing at Navigation Trading, just go to navigationtrading.com. Talk to you next time.