From our studios, in the heart of Silicon Valley, Palo Alto, California, this is a CUBE Conversation. Everyone, welcome to this CUBE Conversation here. Exclusive coverage of Google Next 2019. I'm John Furrier, host of the CUBE, big Google. Cisco News, we're here with KD, who's the vice president of the data center of your compute for Cisco and Kip Compton, senior vice president of cloud platform and solutions group. Guys, welcome to this exclusive CUBE Conversation. Thanks for spending the time. Great to be here. So Google Next, obviously showing the way that enterprises are now quickly moving to the cloud, not just moving to the cloud, the cloud is part of the plan for the enterprise. Google Cloud clearly coming out with a whole new set of systems, set of software, set of relationships. Google Anthos is the big story, the platform. You guys have had a relationship and previously announced with Google, your role in joint engineering, integrations. Talk about the relationship with Cisco and Google. What's the news, what's the big deal here? You know, we're really excited. I mean, as you mentioned, we've been working with Google Cloud since 2017 on hybrid and multi-cloud Kubernetes technologies. We're really excited about what we are able to announce today with Google Cloud around Google Cloud's new Anthos system. And we're going to be doing a lot of different integrations that really bring a lot of what we've learned through our joint work with them over the last few years. And we think that the degree of integration across our data center portfolio and also our networking and security portfolios will ultimately give customers one of the most secure and flexible multi-cloud and hybrid architectures. One of the things that we're seeing in the marketplace that won't get your reaction to this kit because I think this speaks to what's going on here at Google Next and the industry is that the companies that actually get on the cloud wave truly not just say they're doing cloud but ride the wave of the enterprise cloud, which is here, multi-cloud is big conversation, hybrid's an implementation of that. Cloud is big part of it. The data center certainly isn't going away. We're seeing a whole new, huge wave. You guys have been big behind this at Cisco. You saw what the results are with Microsoft, their stock has gone from where it wasn't really low to really high because they were committed to the cloud. How committed is Cisco to this cloud wave? What specifically are you guys bringing to the table for enterprises? Oh, we were very committed. We see it as the seminal IT transformation of our time. And clearly one of the most important topics in our discussions with CIOs across our customer base. And what we're seeing is really not as much enterprises moving to the cloud as much as enterprises extending or expanding into the cloud. And their on-prem infrastructures, including our data centers, as you mentioned, certainly aren't going away. And they're really looking to incorporate cloud into a complete system that enables them to run their business. And they're looking for agility and speed to deliver new experiences to their employees and to their customers. So we're really excited about that. And we think sort of this multi-cloud approach is absolutely critical. And it's one of the things that Google, Cloud and Cisco are aligned on. I'd like to get this couple of talk tracks. One is the application area, multi-cloud and hybrid. But first let's unpack the news of what's going on with Cisco and Google. Obviously, Anthos is the new system. Essentially it's just a cloud platform, but that's they're calling it Google's Anthem. How is Cisco integrating into this? Because you guys had great integration points before. Containers was a big bet that you guys made. You certainly have under the covers. We learned at Cisco Live in Barcelona around what's going on with HyperFlex and ACI, Programmability, DevNet, Developer Program going on. So good stuff going on at Cisco. Where does this connect in with Google? Because you got containers. You guys have been very full throttle on Kubernetes. Containers, Kubernetes. Where does this all fit? How does customers, how should your customers understand the relationship of how Cisco fits with Google Cloud? What's the integration? So let me start with unpacking it at a higher level, right? Philosophically, we've been talking about multi-cloud for a long time. And Google has a very different and unique view of how cloud should be architected. They've gone down the open source Kubernetes path. They've embraced multi-cloud much more so that we would have expected. That's the underpinning of the relationship. Now you bring to that our deep expertise with serving enterprise IT. And our knowledge of what enterprise IT really needs to productize some of these innovation that are born elsewhere. You get those two ingredients together and you have a powerful solution that democratizes some of the innovation that's born in the cloud or born elsewhere. So what we've done here with Anthos, with Google Hyperflex, with Cisco Hyperflex, with our security portfolio and networking portfolio is created a mechanism for enterprise IT to serve their constituent developers who are wanting to embrace containers, readily packaged, an easily consumable solution that they can deploy really easily. One of the things we're hearing is that this, the difference between moving to the cloud versus expanding to and with the cloud. And two kind of areas pop up, operations and developers. People that operate IT, you mentioned IT, democratizing IT, certainly with automation scale, cloud's a great win there. But you got to operate it at that level. At the same time, serve developers. So it seems that we're hearing from customers, it's complicated.  It's a hardcore ops problems meets frictionless development. Yeah, so let's talk about both of these pieces. What do developers want? They want the latest frameworks. They want to embrace some of the new, the latest and greatest libraries out there. They want to get on the cutting edge of the stuff. It's great to experiment with open source. It's really, really hard to productize it. That's what we're bringing to the table here with Anthos delivering a managed service with Cisco's deep expertise and taking complex technologies, packaging it, creating validated architectures that can work in an enterprise. It takes that complexity out of it. Secondly, when you have a enterprise IT operator, let's talk about the complexities there, right? You've got to tame this wild wild west of open source. You can't have drops every day. You can't have things changing every day. You need a certain level of predictability. You need the infrastructure to slot in to a management framework that exists in the data center. It needs to slot into a sparing mechanism to a workflow that exists. On top of that, you've got security and networking at multiple levels, right? You've got physical networking. You've got container networking. You've got software defined networking. You've got application level networking. Each layer has complexity around policy and intent that needs to marry across those layers. Well, you could try to stitch it together with products from different vendors, but it's going to be a hot-stinking mess pretty soon. Driving consistency across those layers from a vendor who can work in the data center, who can work across the layers of networking, who can work with security. We've got that product set between ACI StealthWatch Cloud, providing those security and networking pieces, our container networking expertise, HyperFlex, as a hyper-converged infrastructure appliance that can be delivered to IT, stood up, it's scale out, it's easy to deploy, provides the underpinning for running Anthos, and then now you've got a smooth, simple solution that IT can take to its developer and say, hey, you know what, you want to do containers? I've got a solution for you. And I think one of the things that's great about that is just as enterprises are extending into the cloud, so is Cisco. So a lot of the capabilities that Katie was just talking about are things that we can deliver for our customers in our data centers, but then also in the cloud with things like ACI Anywhere, bringing that ACI policy framework that they have on-prem into the cloud and across multiple clouds so that they get that consistency, the same with StealthWatch Cloud. We can give them a common security model across their on-prem workloads and multiple public cloud workload areas. So we think it's a great compliment to what Google's doing with Anthos, and that's one of the reasons that we're partners. Kip, I want to get your thoughts on this, because one of the things we've seen over the past years is that public cloud was a great green field. People born in the cloud, no problem. And enterprises want to put workloads in the cloud and kind of eliminate some of the compute pieces and some benefits that they could put in the cloud have been great. But the data center never went away. And the large enterprise, it's never going away as we're seeing, but it's changing. How should your customers be thinking about the evolution of the data center? Because certainly, computes become commodity. Okay, use some cloud from compute. Google's got some stuff there, but the network still needs to move packets around. You still got to store stuff. You still need security. There may not be a perimeter, but you still have the nuts and bolts of networking, software, these roles that need to be taken place. How should these customers be thinking about cloud, compute, integration on data premise? No, it's a great point. And you know what we've seen is actually cloud makes the network even more important, right? So when you have workloads and SaaS services in the cloud that you rely on for your business, suddenly the reliability and the performance and latency of your network is more important in many ways than it was before. And so that's something many of our customers have seen. It's driving a lot of interest in offerings like SD-WAN from Cisco. But to your point on the data center side, we're seeing people modernize their data centers and they're looking to take a lot of the simplicity and agility that they see in the public cloud and bring it home, if you will, into the data center because there are lots of reasons why data centers aren't going away. And I think that's one of the reasons we're seeing HyperFlex take off so much is it really simplifies multiple different layers and actually multiple different types of technology, storage, compute, and networking together into a sort of a very simple solution that gives them that agility. And that's why it's a centerpiece of many of our partnerships with public cloud players, including Anthos, because it really provides a cloud-like workload-hosting capability on-prem. So the news here is that you guys are expanding your relationship with Google. What does it mean? Can you guys summarize the impact to your customers and the industry? Well, I think that, I mean, the impact for our customers is that you have two leaders working together. And in fact, they're two leaders who believe in open technology and in a multi-cloud approach. And we believe that both of those are fundamentally more aligned with our customers and the market than other approaches. And so we're really excited about that and what it means for our customers in the future. You know, and we are expanding the relationship. I mean, there's not only what we're doing with Google Cloud's Anthos, but also associated announcements we made about expanding our collaboration, actually in the collaboration area with our WebEx capabilities, as well as Google Suite. So we're really excited about all of this and what we can enable together for our customers. You guys have a great opportunity. I always say latency is important. And with low latency, moving stuff around, that's your wheelhouse. KD, talk about the relationship expanding with Google. What specifically is going on? Let's get down and dirty. Is it tighter integration? Is it policy? Is it extending HyperFlex into Google? Google coming in? What's actually happening in the relationship that's expanding? So let me describe it in three ways. And we've talked a little bit about this already. The first is, how do we drive cloud-like simplicity on-prem? So what we've taken is HyperFlex, which is a scale-out appliance, dead simple, easy to manage. We've integrated that with Anthos, which means that now you've got not only a hyper-converter appliance that you can run workloads on, you can deliver to your developers a Kubernetes ecosystem and a toolset that is best in class. It comes from Google. It's managed from the cloud. And it's not only the Kubernetes piece of it, you can deliver the service mesh pieces of it, a lot of the other pieces that come as part of that Anthos relationship. Then we've taken that and said, well, to be enterprise-grade, you've got to make sure the networking is enterprise-grade at every single layer, whether that is at the physical layer, container layers, virtual machine layer, at the software-defined networking layer, or in the service layer. We've been working with the teams on both sides. We've been working together to develop that solution and bring that to market for our customers. The third piece of this is to integrate security. So Stealth Watch Cloud was mentioned. We're working with the other pieces of our portfolio to integrate security across these offerings to make sure those flows are as secure as can be possible and we detect anomalies, we flag them. The second big theme is driving this from the cloud, right? So between Anthos, which is driving the Kubernetes environment from the cloud, our SD-WAN technology, Cisco's SD-WAN technology, driven from the cloud, being able to terminate those VPNs at the end location, whether that be a data center, whether that be an edge location, and being able to do that seamlessly driven from the cloud, inner side, which takes the management of that infrastructure, drives it from the cloud. Again, at Cisco Innovation, first in the industry, all of these marry together with driving this infrastructure from the cloud. And what did it do for our eventual customers? Well, it gave them now a data center environment that has no boundaries. You've got an on-prem data center that's expanding into the cloud. You can build an application in one place, deploy it in another, have it communicate with another application in the cloud, and suddenly you kind of demolish those boundaries between data center and the cloud, between the data center and the edge, and it all becomes a continuum and no other company other than Cisco can do something like that. So if I hear you saying, you're saying in a sense you're bringing the software and security capabilities of Cisco in the data center and around campus, et cetera, and SD-WAN to Google Cloud. So the customer experience would be, Cisco customer can deploy Google Cloud and Google Cloud runs best on Cisco. That's kind of, is that kind of the guiding principles here to this deal? Is that you're integrating in a deep, meaningful way where it's plug-and-play, Google Cloud meets Cisco infrastructure? Well, we certainly think that with the work that we've done and the integrations that we're doing, that Cisco infrastructure, including software capabilities like StealthWatch Cloud, will absolutely be the best way for any customer who wants to adopt Google Cloud's Anthos to consume it and to have really the best experience in terms of some of the integration simplicity that KD talked about. But also, frankly, security is very important in being able to bring that consistent security model across Google Cloud, the workloads running there, as well as on-prem through things like StealthWatch Cloud we think will be very compelling for our customers and somewhat unique in the marketplace. You know, one of the things that's interesting, TK, the new CEO of Google, and I had this question from Diane Greene, she had enterprise chops at VMware. Google's been hiring a lot of strong enterprise people lately, and you can see the transformation, and we've interviewed a lot of them, I have personally. They're good people, they're smart, and they know what they're doing. But Google still gets dinged for not having those enterprise chops because you just can't have a trajectory of those economies of scales overnight. You can't just buy your way into the enterprise. You got to earn it, this is a certain track record. It seems like Google's getting a lot with you guys here. They're bringing Cloud to the table for sure for your customer base, but you're bringing Cisco complete customer footprint to Google Cloud. That seems to be a great opportunity for Google. I mean, I think it's a great opportunity for both of us. I mean, because we're also bringing a fantastic, open, multi-cloud hybrid solution to our customer base. So I think there's a great opportunity for our customers, and we really focus on, at the end of the day, our customers, and what do we do to make them more successful. And we think that what we're doing with Google will contribute to that. Katie, talk about, real quickly, summarize, what's the benefits to the customers? Customers watching the announcements, seeing all the hype and all the buzz on this Google Next, this relationship with Cisco and Google. What's the bottom line for the customer? They're dealing with complexity. What are you guys solving? What's the big takeaway for your customers? So it's three things. First of all, we've taken the complexity out of the equation, right? We've taken all of the complexity around networking, around security, around bridging to multiple clouds, packaged it in a scale-out appliance, delivered in an enterprise-consistent way, and for them, that's what they want. They want that simplicity of deployment of these next-gen technologies. And the second thing is, as IT serves their customers, the developers in-house, they're able to serve those customers much better with these later-generation technologies and frameworks, whether it's containers, Kubernetes, STO, some of these pieces that are part of the Anthos solution. They're able to develop that, deliver that to their internal stakeholders, and do it in a way that they control, they feel comfortable with, they feel that secure, the networking works, and they can stand behind it without having to choose or have doubts on whether they should embrace this or not. At the end of the day, customers want to do the right things, to develop fast, to be nimble, and to do the latest and greatest, and we're taking all those hurdles out of the equation. That's about developers. It is running software on secure environments for the enterprise. Guys, that's awesome news. Google Next, obviously going to be great conversations. While I have here, I want to get a couple of talk tracks that are, I think, important around the themes we're covering around Google Next, and certainly challenges and opportunities for enterprises. That is the application area, multi-cloud and hybrid cloud. So let's start with application.  That's the sound bites we hear at your events, and certainly that's been something that you guys have been publicly talking about. What does that mean for the marketplace? Because, certainly, everyone's developing applications now. You've got mobile apps, you've got blockchain apps, you've got all kinds of new apps coming out all the time. Software's not going away. It's a renaissance happening. How is the application revolution taking shape? How is, and what Cisco's role in it? Sure, I mean, our role is to enable that, and that really comes from the fact that we understand that the only reason anyone builds any kind of infrastructure is ultimately to deliver applications and the experiences that applications enable. And so that's why we pioneered, ACI is application-centric infrastructure. We pioneered that and started focusing on the implications of applications in the infrastructure many years ago. We think about that and the experience that we can deliver at each layer in the infrastructure, and Katie talked a little bit about how important it is to integrate those layers. But then we also bring tools like AppDynamics, which really gives our customers the ability to measure the performance of their applications, understand the experience that they're delivering with customers, and then actually understand how each piece of the infrastructure is contributing to and affecting that performance. And that's a great example of something that customers really want to be able to do across on-prem and multiple clouds. They really need to understand that entire thing. And so I think something like AppD exemplifies our focus on the application. It's interesting. Storage and compute used to be the bottlenecks and developers having to stand that up. Cloud solved that problem. That's right. I'm in and I always talk about in the queue. Networking's the bottleneck. Now with ACI, you guys are solving that problem. You're making it much more robust and programmable. It is. This is a key part for application developers because all that policy work can be now automated away. Is that kind of part of that enablement? It sure is. I mean, if you look at what's happening to applications, they're becoming more consumerized. They're becoming more connected. Whether it's microservices, it's not just one monolithic application anymore. It's all of these applications talking to each other. And they need to become more secure. You need to know what happens, who can talk to whom, which part of the application can be accessed from where. To deliver that, what my customers tell me, listen, you deliver the data center. You deliver security. You deliver networking. You deliver multi-cloud. You've got app dynamics. Who else can bring this together? And that's what we do is whether it's ACI that specifies policy and does that programmable, delivers that programmable framework for networking, whether it's technologies like the creation, like app dynamics as kept mentioned. All of these integrate together to deliver the end experience that customers want, which is, if my application is slow, tell me where, what's happening, and help me deliver this application that is not a monolith anymore. It's all of these bits and pieces that talk to each other. Some of these bits and pieces will reside in the cloud. A lot of them will be on-prem. Some of them will be on the edge, but it all needs to work together. And developers don't care about that. They just care about, do I get the resources, do I need, and you guys kind of take care of all the heavy lifting underneath the covers. Yeah, and we do that in a modern programmable way, which is the big change. We do it in an intent-based way, which means we let the developers describe the intent and we control that via policy. And that's good for the enterprises. They want to invest more in developing, building applications. Okay, track number two. Talk track number two, multi-cloud. It's interesting, during the hype cycle of hybrid cloud, which was a while, I think now people realize hybrid cloud is an implementation thing. So it's beyond hype now getting into reality. Multi-cloud never had a hype cycle because people generally woke up one day and said, yeah, I got multiple clouds. I'm using this over here. So it wasn't like a, there wasn't no real socialization around the concept of multi-cloud. They got it right away. They can see it. They know what they're paying for. So multi-cloud has been a big part of your strategy at Cisco and certainly plays well into here what's happening at Google Next. What's going on with multi-cloud? Why is the relationship with Google important? And where do you guys see multi-cloud going from a Cisco perspective? Sure, I think you're right. I mean, the latest data we saw or have is 94% of enterprises are using or expect to use multiple clouds. And I think those surveys have probably more than six points of potential error. So I think for all intents and purposes, it's 100%. I've not met a customer who's a uni-cloud if that's a thing. And so you're right. It's an incredibly authentic trend compared with some of these things that seem to be hype. I think what's happening though is the definition of what a multi-cloud solution is shifting. So I think we started out as you said with a realization, oh wait a second, we're all multi-cloud. This really is a thing and there's a set of problems to solve. I think you're seeing players get more and more sophisticated in how they solve those problems. And what we're seeing is it's solving those problems is not about homogenizing all the clouds and making them all the same. Because one of the reasons that people are using multiple clouds is to get to the unique capabilities that's in each cloud. So I think early on there were some approaches where they said, okay, well we're going to put down like a layer across all these clouds and try to make them all look the same. That doesn't really achieve the point. The point is Google has unique capabilities in Google Cloud. Certainly the TensorFlow capabilities are one that people point to. AWS has unique capabilities as well. And so does Azure. And so customers want to access all of that innovation. So that kind of answers your question of why is this relationship important to us? It's for us to meet our customers' needs. We need to have great relationships, partnerships and integrations with the clouds that are important to our customers. Which is all the clouds. And we know that Google Cloud is important to our customers. You're not just Google Cloud, which I think in this relationship has got my attention because you're creating a deep relationship with them on a development side, providing your expertise on the network and other areas your expert's at. But you also have to work with other clouds. That's right, we do. You're connecting clouds. That's the purpose of the mission. And in fact we do. I mean we have solutions for hybrid with AWS and Azure already launched in the marketplace. So we work with all of them. And what our role we see really is to make this simpler for our customers. So there are things like networking and security, application performance management with things like app dynamics as well as some aspects of management that our customers consistently tell us, can you just make this the same? Like these are not the areas of differentiation or unique capability. These are areas of friction and complexity. And if you can give me a networking framework, whether it's SD win or ACI anywhere that helps me connect those clouds and manage policy in a consistent way or you can give me application performance the same over these things or security the same over these things. That's going to make my life easier. It's going to be lower friction and I'm expecting that since you're Cisco you'll also be able to integrate that with my on-prem environment. So moving from hard to simple and easy is a good business model. Absolutely. You guys have done that in the past and you certainly have that with from routing and bring up the switches and storage. Katie, but talk about the complexity because this is where it sounds complex on paper but when you actually unpack the technologies involved you know in different cloud suppliers different technologies and tools throw in open sources of the mix is even more complex. So multi-cloud although sounds like a simple reality the complexity is pretty significant. Can you just share your thoughts on that? It is and that's what we excel. We excel at taking complexity and distilling it down making it simple. One of the things that we've done is because each cloud is unique and brings a unique capability we've worked with those vendors along those dimensions that they're really, really passionate about and strong in. So for example with Google we've worked on the container front they are maybe one of the pioneers in that space they've certainly delivered a lot of technologies into that domain. We've worked with them on the cube flow front on the AI front. In fact we're one of the biggest contributors to the open source projects on cube flow. And we've taken those technologies and then created a simple way for enterprise IT to consume them. So what we've done with Anthos with Google it takes those technologies takes our networking constructs whether it's ACI anywhere whether it's other networking pieces on different parts of it whether it's SD-WAN and so forth. And it creates that environment which makes an enterprise IT feel comfortable with embracing these technologies. You said you're contributing to cube flow. A lot of people don't look at Cisco and would instantly come to the reaction that you guys are heavily contributing into open source. Can you just share the level of commitment you guys are making to open source just to get that out there and why? Why are you doing it? Yeah. For us some of these technologies are really in need for incubation and nurturing, right? The cube flow is early, it's really promising technology. People in fact, there's a lot of buzz about AI. And you're contributing to cube flow significantly. Yes, we're number three contributor actually behind Google. Okay, so you're up there. You're up on top of the list. And why is this getting more collaborative, more multi-cloud fabric? Again, it comes back to our customers. We think cube flow is a really interesting open framework for AI and ML. And we've seen our customers that workload type is becoming more and more important to them. So we're supporting that because it's something that we think will help our customers. And in fact, cube flow figures into how we think about hybrid and multi-cloud with Google and the Anthos system in terms of giving customers the ability to run those workloads in Google Cloud with TPUs or on-prem with some of the incredible appliances that we've delivered in the data center using TPUs to accelerate these workloads. And it also certainly is compatible with the whole multi-cloud mission as well. Exactly, that's right. So you'll see us, we're committed to open source but that commitment comes through the lens of what we think our customers need and want. So it really again comes back to the customer for us. And so you'll see it as very active in open source areas. Sometimes I think to your point we should be louder about that and talk more about that. But really there to help our customers. What is getting out there DevNet create that Susie, we've been working on has been a great success. I mean, we've witnessed it firsthand seeing that the Cisco Live is packed house. You got developers developing on the network. It's a really, a big shift. That's a positive shift. Well, it's a huge shift. I think it's natural as you see Cisco shifting more and more towards software to see much, much more developer engagement and we're thrilled with the way DevNet is growing. And networking guys and your target audience gravitates easily to software. It seems to be a nice fit. So good stuff there. Third talk track, hybrid. You guys have deep bench of tech and people on network security, networking security, data center and all the things involved in the years and years of enterprise evolution whether it's infrastructure and all the way through the facilities. A lot of expertise. Now hybrid comes onto the scene. Went through the little hype cycle. People now get it. You got to operate across clouds on-prem to the cloud and now multiple clouds. So what's the current state of Cisco, Google relationship with hybrid? How does that fit in here? Google next and beyond. So let me tease that in the context of some history, right? So we go back, say, 10 years. Virtualization was the buzzword of the day. Things were getting virtualized. We created the best data center infrastructure for virtualization in our UCS platforms. Completely programmable, infrastructure is code. A very programmable environment that can pack a lot of density of virtual machines, right? Roll forward three or four years. Storage and compute were getting unwieldy or there was complexity there to be solved. We created the category of convergent infrastructure. Became the leader of that category whether the work we did with EMC and other players. Roll forward another four or five years. We got into the hyperconverged infrastructure space with the most performant HCI appliance on the market anywhere, right? Most performant, most consistent, deeply engineered across all the stacks. Again, took that complexity, took our learnings and DNA networking and married it together to create something unique for the industry. Now you see two other domains come together. Now it's the cloud and on-prem. Now that comes together, we see similar kinds of complexity. Complexity in security, complexity in networking, complexity in policy and enforcement across layers. Complexity, frankly, in management, right? And how do you make that management much more simple and consumerized? We're taking that complexity and distilling it down into developing a very simple appliance. So what we're trying to deliver to the customer is a simple appliance that they can stand and procure and set up much in the way that they're used to. But now this appliance is scale out. It's much more cloud-like. It's managed from the cloud. So it's got that consumer and modern feel to it. Now you can deliver on this a container environment, container development environment for your developer stakeholders. You can deliver security that's plumbed through and across multiple layers, networking that's plumbed through and across multiple layers. And at the end of the day, we've taken those boundaries between cloud and data center and blown them away. And you've merged the operational constructs of the old data center operations to cloud-like operations. Everything's as a service. You've got microservices coming. So you didn't really lose anything. You mentioned democratizing IT earlier. You guys are bringing the hyperflex, the ACI to the table. So you now can let customers run. Is that right? Am I getting it right? That's right. New, interesting technologies that are developed somewhere that may have complexity because it's open source and it's changing all the time. Or it may have complexity because it's not built for a different environment, not for the on-prem environment. How do you take that innovation and democratize it so that everybody, all of the hundreds and thousands and millions of enterprise customers can use it and feel comfortable using it and feel comfortable actually embracing it in a way that gives them the security, gives them the networking that's needed and gives them the way that they can serve their internal stakeholders really easily. Guys, thanks for taking the time for this awesome conversation. One final question to get your both the way in on. Here at Google Next 2019, we're in 2019. Cloud's going a whole other level here. What's the most important story that customers should pay attention to with respect to expanding into the cloud, taking advantage of the growing developer ecosystem as open source continues to go the next level? What's the most important thing happening around Google Next and the industry with respect to cloud and for the enterprise? Well, I think certainly here at Google Next, the Google Cloud's Anthos announcement is going to be of tremendous interest to enterprises because as you said, they are extending into the cloud and this is another great option for enterprises who are looking to do that. Yeah, and as I look at it, suddenly IT has a set of new options. They used to be able to pick networking and compute and storage. Now they can pick Kubeflow for AI or they can pick Kubernetes for container development Anthos for an on-prem version. Their shopping list has suddenly gone up. We're trying to keep that simple and organized for them so that they can pick the best ingredients they can and build the best infrastructure they can do it. Guys, thanks so much. Kip Compton, Senior Vice President of Cloud Platform Exclusives Group and KD, Vice President of the Data Center Compute Group for Cisco. It's been an exclusive Kube conversation around the Google Cisco Big News at Google Next 2019. I'm John Furrier, thanks for watching.


Well, hello and welcome to Vlogs Giving, is what I'm calling this. Um, I don't think I've ever heard anyone call this little series, Vlogs Giving, but dang it, we're gonna go for it. So, I am gonna be vlogging every day this week. Today is Monday, the week of Thanksgiving, and there's some fun things happening at the FDE house. Do you see? Do you see?  Yep, it's true you guys. So, let me show you what arrived today. So, last week I placed an order at Target.com, and it said that my tree was gonna be here on Wednesday. Well, it's Monday, and I got a text message at like, I wanna say like noon or something, and they're like, your tree arrived.  Um, but anyway, so let me show you what I got. Sorry about the lighting you guys, it's really dark out. Um, this is what I got, the 7 foot Alberta spruce unlit tree. Yeah, so that's what I got. And let me just explain why I got an unlit tree. Okay, so this saga goes on for many, many moons, but I will tell you I have had a few lit trees, and I feel like once the lights go out, they either end up in the trash, or they end up in a garage sale, or a donation pile, or whatever, and I don't like it, so I just wanna get a tree that's not lit, so I can just change out the bulbs as I need to. Anyway, went to Target. I swear, like my life should be sponsored by Target. Target, please sponsor my life, please. I love you Target, I can't quit you. But anyway, I got these. Well, let me show you. I got these bad boys. These are the Philips 200 lights in the warm white. I got two spools of these, and this is what the lights look like. I've had these lights before on a pre-lit tree, but they were like the bigger lights, and I love when they're lit, like how many facets they have, because it's like, you know, they kinda look like crystal-y or whatever, but they look really, really cool. They're a little bit more expensive because they're the Philips brand and they're the LEDs, so it's like, what does it say, energy savings, so I think they were like 35 bucks a spool. But the nice thing is, they're on these little spools so I can store them later too, which is kind of a nice little plus. Also, I actually looked at my tree in store, which I hadn't done before, and decided the middle kinda looked a little sparse. So I did get these. This is from the Wonder Shop. It's the 50 count. These are $15. Those are more like the champagne color. There is one that's more of a brighter gold and then there's a silver and then there's kinda that champagne-y kinda in-between color, and that's what I decided to get, because most of my ornaments are like more silvery. I mean, they're white, but they're like got more silver accents to it. So I figured those would be good like kinda filler ornaments. So yeah, but there's a few, whoa, there's a few more updates from the FDE house that I feel like I should show you. Do you guys see up there?  Look at that. Very exciting, right? Right. And Mr. Doyle is very excited about the new things I brought in today. I brought in my little step stool because I'm not sure if I'm gonna get motivated enough to actually put up the tree today, but we'll see. We shall see. The idea is I wanna put the tree in the middle of, oh, I'm popular, in the middle of that window and then move those chairs and that lamp and table over to this side, over here, just temporarily during the holidays.  So yeah, hi Doodle. And Doyle is loving his new sofa. I get questions about that all the time. He is loving the new sofa. Currently sitting on his little Eric Condren blankie. Oh, hi. Is that your little weirdo, huh? But yeah. Anyway, so that's kind of what's going on here. I have gotten a few requests to do a home tour or a holiday home tour. Yes, I am gonna be doing that. I'm gonna wait till I actually get my tree up. Hi Doyle. Do you want a holiday home tour? Okay. Yes, I am gonna do that. And I will do that as soon as all of my decorations are up, which will probably be, I'm hoping that it's all done, excuse you, by this weekend. I'm not gonna put it up this weekend or in these vlogs giving vlogs. I'm just gonna kind of vlog like I normally vlog. This is what it's like to have a Shiba in you guys. Just, it doesn't stop. But I am gonna do a dedicated video all to holiday decorations and what I've changed. And I've really been enjoying some of my other stuff, which a little preview. Doo-loo-loo. Doo-loo-loo-loo. I really enjoy some of this stuff because I feel like it's like super transitional with like fall and then like into just winter. So I can kind of keep it up for a little while and no one can hopefully judge me for it because it does get cold in the state of Minnesota, which is why I'm wearing my North shirt with my Minnesota guy on there. But I feel like every vlog has to have my sweatshirt in it because this is like the only thing I wear. Right Doyle? This is how it feels Doyle. This is how it feels. Okay, go. Dude. Dude, not even doing anything. You're so weird. Anyway, so that's what's going on here. And yeah, I think I'm going to eat a little bit of dinner because I just got home and it's like seven o'clock. And I've got a whole huge project going on with this washy situation. I thought I was going to have like no joke. I was all excited for this tree to come on Wednesday because I'm like sweet. I've got like two more days to do some stuff. I've got this washy project I've been working on for like ever, I feel like. And then I wanted to do some other things kind of holidayish related. But now I got this big box in the entryway. And I kind of want to play with it, but I kind of don't. So we'll see. We'll see. I only have like ten more rolls of washy to deal with. And then I think I'm done. So maybe I can do that this evening. I don't know. It always takes me away longer than I thought. Oh, and I figured I'd show you what else I got from Target. I got these little stars because I love me some stars. These were four dollars and there's two of them and they're gold. I thought they were really cute. Kind of my design aesthetic. And then I have these like really crummy hard sold slippers that I currently have. And the like plushiness of the bottom like the foam is like no longer there unfortunately. So I decided to get these from Target. They are the Deluxe Dear Foams. I don't know. I got the medium size seven to eight fun fact. I wear a size seven and a half to eight shoe. So the one I really wanted was like a gray and they didn't have it in my size. They only had like nine to ten and then five to six. So that didn't really work out. But these are like epically smooshy on the bottom. It's like oh yeah. So I'm excited about that. So I think I'm gonna like bust these out and start wearing them because this hard floor really really hurts my heels. So yeah. And I stand on concrete all day at work as well. It's not so great for the heels. I think I'm gonna sign off for this moment. Get my new slippazown and then I am going to eat a little bit of something but I will check in with you guys in a little bit and show you my progress as to what I did. I'm hoping fingers crossed Future Emily gets all the washi's project done. I'm hoping that's the plan and if I can get some of the tree up I'd be really excited too. But I might have to wait for tomorrow on that. So anyway, I'll see you guys in a minute. Alright so I am currently watching Coffee Break Planner on They're talking about right now. Anyway I am watching Coffee Break Planner on Facebook. I will leave down below the group if you would like to join in the fun. Normally Mondays or Tuesday nights depending they have like a little chat or whatever. So anyway, so I'm going to post right now. Do y'all want to say hi to my vlog? So let's see what they say. Do y'all want to say hi to my vlog? Sure. Oh my gosh are you filming your vlog right now? My favorite daughter Emily. Let us know what. My favorite daughter Emily's vlog. This is so exciting. She's filming us. She's filming us filming alive. Oh my gosh Emily. I feel so famous right now. It's like a vlog deception. I think I might cry. Seriously. I'm going to put makeup on. I don't normally look like this. That's Nick. That's Catherine's husband. Oh my gosh everyone's saying hi. Keep saying hi. Hi to the vlog. Amazing vlog stickers. Right I heard that there was also an amazing favorite daughter Emily Bundle. An Emily budget Bundle. Look at the copper. We got to do some for the V-log. For the V-log. Look at the sparkle. The copper. Wait they have like, I'm going to turn this down for a second. They have like the best foil and they have copper. I mean they have rose gold too because I'm like anti-rose gold but they have copper which is a really cool alternative and I believe they also have like holographic which is really interesting. I've never seen that in person but I may need to order that. So anyway we're going to say goodbye to them for right now and I'm going to finish up this little chat so I'll check in with you guys in a minute. Alright so those are my friends from Coffee Break Planner that I talk about a lot on my channel. That's Catherine and her husband Nick and they live in North Carolina but I believe they're from I want to say New York maybe New Jersey somewhere I can't remember but I know they live in North Carolina now but so anyways I'm going to like I said before I'm going to link them down below. They are having an epic epic Black Friday sale they just announced it today and there's a ton of new releases and spoiler alert just for these people I will let you know that there is a collaboration coming up very very soon with myself and Catherine. So stay tuned. Also her shop is having a 40% off Black Friday sale and she said it's going to be going Friday Saturday, Sunday and I believe Cyber Monday as well so I really like her shop the sticker sheets are super affordable and they're matte removable stickers and then also she's got lots of different things that are like really functional and then also things that are like really decorative too. So you can kind of find a little bit of everything which is what I like in stickers and a lot of people ask me like budget friendly options of how to get started and my always go to is find one sticker shop that has the basics as well as some decorative things that you like so you can kind of mess around with your style a little bit to start because you just never know kind of like what planner you're going to be if you're going to be super functional if you're going to be like a pen and paper kind of a person or if you want to be super super decorative you know you kind of figure that out as you go but anyway wanted to share that with you guys and I did something exciting I finished my dang washi project I did not get to my tree at all the bulbs are still sitting here but they're going to sit here another day so whatever so I finished my washi project let me show you what I was doing is wrapping every single roll of washi and putting it in here so that's what I did so washi project is finally over which I'm super pumped about and I think I'm going to go to bed because it's 9 10 which means that I probably won't get into bed until like 10 something because I'm going to walk the dog and wash my face and get stuff ready for tomorrow also sorry I'm like messing with the washi as I'm like talking to you guys like trying to organize it a little bit better okay also sorry sidebar tomorrow I need to do some cooking well my screen is like messed up do a little bit of cooking which I haven't really done on the channel before but I am going to show you guys well am I going to show you yeah might as well I am making this like taco dip thing for a potluck that I'm having at the office on Wednesday and then also I'm making the same thing for Thanksgiving on Thursday because my brother is going to be in town and we are going to my uncle's in Elk River Minnesota so my uncle is like a huge fan of this taco dip thing and I'll show you like how I make it I'll probably show you at Thanksgiving maybe because I can't really show you when I'm at the office because it's like super weird because people don't really like know that I live my life on the internet at work and I'd like to keep it that way maybe I don't know I mean someone will find me at some point be like hey I watch your vlogs I'll be like oh shit anyway so that is going to be it for me today hope you guys like this surprise little vlogging series and if you like these types of videos feel free to give it a thumbs up you can subscribe I don't have a posting schedule anymore but if you hit the subscribe button and you hit the little bell next to it what that'll do is it'll actually email you notifications when I upload a video so then you just know when it's up and then you can decide if you want to watch it or not depending on what the title of the video is and stuff so actually right now sitting back down at my computer I'm going to upload this not upload the footage but I'm actually going to get the footage off of my camera and get it on my computer and get the editing process ready to go so anyway that is it for day one of vlogs giving and I will see you guys tomorrow for the next one bye guys


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live another day, come across another proposed diagnosis, another clinical entity. There was a guy about a thousand years ago, 800 years ago, his name was Okam, and there's Okam's razor, which says that a proliferation of entities indicates bed science. I wonder whether he tells us about clinical or abnormal psychology. At any rate, I've contributed my share to this proliferation. Most recent contribution is covert borderline prior to the somatic narcissists, cerebral narcissists, inverted narcissists, and cold empathy, and you name it. So, I don't feel shy about my participation in this marathon. Today we're going to discuss yet another proposed way to pathologize you and your relationship, and this is Relationship Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Yes, you've heard it well. Relationship Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Or ROCD for short. Acronyms are a big thing in psychology because they confuse laymen and make us feel superior. Ok, Shoshanim, ROCD, Relationship Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, is, as the name implies, an obsessive compulsive disorder, shockingly, but it's focused on intimate relationships in several ways, which I will detail a bit later. Like every other obsession, compulsion, it's very debilitating. It has very negative impacts, not only on the relationship, but on life in general. These are thoughts, images, urges that are intrusive. They are unwanted. There's distress. There's interference with life. That is, experienced as an enemy within. It's kind of an attack on values and welfare and well-being and benefits and good feeling. Intrusive thoughts are followed usually by compulsive behaviors. These compulsive behaviors are rituals. It goes to neutralized the catastrophized feared consequence of the intrusive thought. It's a form of self-administered anxiolytic. The ritual, which is a behavior, reduces the anxiety, which is attendant upon the intrusive thought. When the individual tries to suppress or neutralize obsessions, ironically, they increase. The frequency and the distress only increases. Obsession, compulsion, feeds on itself. There's an intrusive thought and an anxiety-reducing ritual, but it only enhances the intrusive thoughts or at least the potency of the intrusive thoughts. There are many types of obsessions. There's germophobes, people who are terrified of contaminations and germs. Fears about harming oneself and others. Doubts, compulsive neatness and odiliness. You know, hercules pour haut, anyone who has seen the series.  Obsessions are everywhere. Obsession is simply a dysfunctional pattern of coping with catastrophizing cognitions. And so it's easy to believe that there are obsessions related to relationships, past relationships and present relationships. It's a series of repetitive and intrusive thoughts about how you feel about relationships in general and how you feel about your partner in particular in different relational contexts. It could be parent-child, it could be romantic relationship, intimate partner, committed relationship of some sort. These are unwanted, intrusive, chronic and disabling thoughts. Relationship, obsessive, compulsive disorder. I'm going to describe it in broad strokes, broad brush strokes, and then I'm going to delve deeper. So those of you who just want the overview can stop after a while when I begin to delve much deeper into the clinical manifestations of this obsession compulsion. Obsessions and compulsions that have to do with relationships are naturally centered on relationships. People doubt. These are doubts, self-doubting, continuous questioning, hypervigilance, which is self-directed, suspiciousness and even paranoid ideation, which actually is self-directed or partner-directed. People doubt whether they love their partner, whether their relationship is the right relationship, whether their partner loves them. And when they love, these kind of people with this kind of obsession and compulsion constantly check, reassure themselves that this is the right feeling. They may even engage in abuse in order to test the partner's resilience, commitment and unconditional love. When they attempt to end the relationship, they're overwhelmed by anxiety. They stay in their relationship, but it doesn't help the anxiety. They're haunted by continuous doubts and so the anxiety only increases. They're between a rock and a hard place. They can't terminate their relationship because of the overwhelming abandonment anxiety and they can't stay in their relationship because of the relationship obsessive-compulsive disorder. Another form of ROCD includes preoccupation, checking, reassurance-seeking behaviors related to the partner's perceived shortcomings, flaws, frailties, vulnerabilities, misconduct. Instead of finding good in the partner, these kinds of obsessive-compulsive people constantly focus on what's wrong with the partner. They exaggerate these flaws. They use them to prove that their relationship is fundamentally bad because the partner is fundamentally wrong for them. And the fact that they are not able to concentrate on anything except how unworthy the partner is and what a bad choice it had been to be with this partner. They focus only on this. It causes them enormous anxiety and of course it undermines the intimacy and the relationship itself. Partner-focused ROCD symptoms occur not only with intimate partners, they occur between parent and child, for example. The parent is overwhelmed. The parent is preoccupied with the idea that the child is not something, is not good-looking, is not socially competent, is not moral, is not emotionally balanced, is anti-social, or sick somehow. And this obsession immediately leads to compassion. And the compassion in this case is increased parental stress, low mood, low depression, low level depression, dystemia, and control freakery. These kind of parents attempt to control what they perceive to be the negative aspects and dimensions in their children. And like all other forms of OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, there are probably psychological factors at play and biological factors at play. No one really knows. There are maladaptive ways of thinking and behaving and that's why CBT, cognitive behavior therapy, is very effective. But it's not, we don't know, we guess, we think that there are also genetic neurological and biological aspects to OCD because we know that medication works, reduces OCD. And medication of course operates on the body, not the mind. Overreliance on intimate relationships also plays a role. When you're dependent on the other person to regulate your sense of self-worth or self-esteem or to regulate your moods and your emotions, when the other person becomes an external regulator, when the value of the partner is disproportionate because the partner is in control of your inner landscape, of course this creates an enormous fear of abandonment. This is part of attachment theory. And it increases vulnerability. And just being aware of how dependent you are and how vulnerable you are to being rejected and abandoned, just being aware of that produces the anxiety that could lead to compulsion. And the anxiety translates into intrusive thoughts. This is very common, for example, in borderline personality disorder. Cognitive behavioral therapies are the gold standard for talk therapy for OCD, although we usually also use medication. According to CBT models, we all have actually unwanted intrusive thoughts, images and urges, automatic negative thoughts ands. But individuals with OCD interpret these intrusive experiences as meaning something bad, as leading to something bad. The intrusive thoughts are perceived as self-critical. They prove to the person that he is, I don't know, crazy or bad or something wrong with his character. Or the intrusive thoughts predict, prognosticate some horrible future, a catastrophe is going to happen. So this is a process of catastrophizing. The core of OCD is not the intrusive thoughts, which, as I just said, all of us have, but the way the OCD person reacts to the intrusive thoughts. A mere occurrence, a mere happenstance of an unwanted thought about a loved one having an accident, for example. Take this. We all have this. We all worry whether a loved one could have an accident. But the obsessive person reacts to it in two ways. First of all, the mere thought of an accident renders the accident very probable, plausible. This is magical thinking. And the second reaction is the self-critical. I must be a bad person if I'm thinking of an accident. I must want the accident actually. It's a manifestation of an unconscious wish for something bad to happen to my partner. And these interpretations increase attention to these unwanted intrusive experiences, because then they are coupled with emotions, negative affectivity, and it makes them much more distressing. And the frequency becomes out of control. The thoughts proliferate. And so the individual tries to control these thoughts, tries to neutralize them, tries to repress the content. And so he develops rituals, like, I don't know, washing hands, counting every second tile on the floor, checking things all the time. Did I lock the door? Avoidance, suppression of these thoughts and mental and behavioral rituals, which are known as compulsions. These controls, these attempt to control, they don't work. That's the core issue in OCD. The solution that the OCD person comes with, these rituals, these compulsions, is a bad idea. It's a dysfunctional solution, because it actually enhances the anxiety. The very attempt to control the thought, of course, brings the thought to consciousness, amplifies the thought. If you have an intrusive thought and you pay no attention to it, it goes away. But if you then panic and try to control the thought, it metamorphosizes and takes over you, it becomes you. And so according to CBT models, the problem with people with OCD is that they give negative interpretations to these intrusive experiences, because they hold negative automatic thoughts, maladaptive beliefs about themselves and about the world in general. They perceive the world as hostile. The belief that if anything bad happens, it's their own fault. This is called inflated responsibility.  And it translates. Very often there is a displacement of a thought. So there is a thought, my partner may have an accident and then, oh my God, I'm a bad person because I want my partner to have an accident. And then this is repressed because it's too much to cope with. And then there's a displaced substitute thought, I'm contaminated, I'm dirty, I should wash my hands. And they do this in order to avoid feeling the responsibility for hurting someone. It's very infantile, it's magical thinking. It's the underlying belief, the hidden assumption that your thoughts have effects, immediate effects on the environment and on others, physical effects. In relationship, obsessive-compulsive disorder, the intrusive thoughts, intrusions are about the rightness of the relationship, the suitability of the relationship partner. The partner is not smart, not moral, not good-looking enough, will cheat. This is very distressing. To reduce the distress, individuals with ROCD equally apply all kinds of ritual. They try to get reassurance from others that the partner or the relationship is good enough. They test the partner or they check the perceived flow. They may look for information on the internet. How do I know if I'm on the right relationship? They assess their physical reaction and feelings towards the partner. For example, during sex, they're constantly on the lookout. They're constantly supervising, monitoring, looking from above. It's like an out-of-body experience. They are, in other words, depersonalizing. And in this sense, obsessive-compulsion is dissociative. It's closely associated with dissociation. We're beginning to realize that only very, very recently, in the vast majority of universities in the world, they don't teach this, because this is very current knowledge. The connection between dissociation and OCD is cutting edge, is bleeding edge knowledge. There are similar behaviors that increase the attention given to the intrusion. They give it more importance. They make it more frequent. In a way we could perceive of OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, as a way to cope with dissociation. The intrusive thoughts are very terrifying, they're very threatening, they're ominous. The immediate reaction is dissociation to forget these thoughts, amnesia. And then there's the ritual, and the ritual is intended to actually restore the attention given to the intrusive thoughts in order to eradicate and eliminate it. So there's a battle between dissociative repressive mechanisms on the one hand, and a desperate attempt to eliminate or eradicate the negative thought via behaviors. Individuals with relationship-obsessive-compulsive disorder also give catastrophic meanings to intrusions. These are maladaptive beliefs. For example, they can develop the belief that being in a relationship, they're not absolutely sure about, always would lead to an extreme disaster. For example, cheating, and these beliefs lead individuals to interpret common relationship doubts in a catastrophic way, provoking compulsive mental acts and behaviors. Focusing on the partner, like a laser beam, but the opposite of love-bombing, I would call it flow-bombing, or negative-bombing, or shortcomings-bombing. The repeated assessment of the strength and quality of one's feelings towards the partner in a negative light. The treatment of these symptoms, of course, requires psychoeducation about the disorder, CBT, exposure, therapy, response prevention, and so on and so forth. And so people have bought into this clinical entity, new clinical entity. There are even apps developed to assist therapies coping with these maladaptive beliefs. Okay, that's the overview of the relationship-obsessive-compulsive disorder, and here some of you may check out. For those of you who are interested in deeper clinical, in a deeper clinical picture, stay tuned for the following. So, relationship-obsessive-compulsive disorder, ROCD, are obsessive-compulsive symptoms that focus on intimate relationships. I said it before. I would refer you to two articles, which are an excellent introduction. The one, the first one is by Doron, G, Doron Guy, Derby D, and Zwebssenwold, Jesus Christ, Zwebssenwold or something. It was published in 2014. It's titled Relationship-obsessive-compulsive disorder, a conceptual framework. It was published in the Journal of Obsessive-compulsive and related disorders, Volume 3. The same guy, Guy Doron, and the same guys actually, Guy Doron and Danny Derby, wrote something a lot more popular and published it in the OCD Journal, in the fall edition of the OCD newsletter, I'm sorry, the fall edition of the OCD newsletter, and the article is simply titled Relationship OCD. So everything I would say now is based on their excellent work, groundbreaking work. So as we said, relationship OCD focuses on relationships, could be child-parent, could be intimate relationships. And when you go to OCD forums and health groups, it's a very common topic, and it's beginning to infiltrate somehow the media. This form of OCD is especially distressing, because it's personal and interpersonal in relationships. It impairs functioning in interpersonal relationships at work, study, family, but also with oneself. People have doubts about suitability of partners. People have doubts about relationships. It's totally normal, there's ups and downs. There is always ambivalence, changeable or opposing feelings towards a romantic partner. That's completely natural. It's actually part of developing intimacy. Overcoming this ambivalence is a very crucial part of developing attachment, bonding and intimacy. We all pay more attention to our partner's real or imagined flaws as intimate relationships progress, because naturally the more time we spend with a partner, the more we are exposed to the negative aspects of his existence. At the beginning he puts his best food for it. There's a lot of play-acting in initial dating. But intimacy means that you're free to show your vulnerabilities and your less positive sides to your partner. But with some people, the minute they're exposed to the shortcomings and frailties and vulnerabilities and brokenness of the partner, the minute they're exposed, they begin to catastrophize. Their doubts and concerns, their worries become impairing, time-consuming, distressing, intrusive, they overtake everything else. People presenting with ROCD notice these symptoms early on, in early adulthood, even adolescence, because that's when they begin to develop intimacy in relationships. And it's a lifelong thing and it affects all relationships, especially romantic relationships. The first time this kind of person faces important romantic decisions, become girlfriend with someone, getting married, having children, these critical junctures, these passages as she he called them, they provoke anxiety. And this anxiety is all pervasive and all permeating. And it gives rise in an attempt to rationalize the anxiety, in an attempt to make sense of this anxiety. The person develops these intrusive thoughts and the dysfunctional rituals, the behaviors which are intended to neutralize and suppress these thoughts. ROCD symptoms are not limited to ongoing romantic relationships. There could be an obsession about the past. I think that retroactive jealousy is a form of ROCD. It causes people to avoid entering relationships because of the anxiety and pain associated with past relationships. ROCD symptoms are not related to relationship length or even to gender. It's gender neutral. They've been linked to other significant personal difficulties. For example, people with mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and of course other ROCD symptoms not relationship related. They tend to develop ROCD relationship related, OCD. When there are difficulties in the couple, sexual dissatisfaction, extramarital affairs, problems with the relationship, in some people this triggers an OCD response. ROCD is not linked to other forms of OCD. A person can have multiple forms of OCD, including ROCD. People with other forms of OCD and people with no known OCD diagnosis show similar levels of interference in functioning, distress, resistance attempts, and degree of perceived control due to symptoms of ROCD. So ROCD can attack anyone. You don't need to have OCD in order to have ROCD. You can be a victim of ROCD. ROCD is as disabling as other types of OCD. It's a really bad thing. And as Doron and allies Derby and others say, ROCD has two common presentations. Relationship center and partner focused. The symptoms are grouped, coalesce into these two groups. And so people with relationship centered obsession feel overwhelmed by doubts and worries focused on their own feelings towards the partner, their partner's feelings towards them, and their rightness of the relationship experience. They ask themselves, is this the right relationship for me? This is not real love. Do I feel right? Does my partner really love me, etc., etc. So they are relationship focused. They are systemic. They have systemic OCD. The OCD is about the system, not about a specific individual or occurrence or event or behavior. What about generally about whether I should be with this person? And the people who are partner focused, they have partner focused obsession. They focus on the partner's physical features. They could say his nose is too big.  They focus on the partner's social qualities. He is not sociable. She doesn't have what it takes to succeed in life, etc. Or they focus on personality attributes. She is immoral. She can't be trusted. She is not intelligent enough or she is not emotionally stable. So relationship centered and partner focused symptoms can happen at the same time and very often reinforce each other. Many people describe being preoccupied with a perceived flaw or problem with a partner, for example body proportions, but then much later they begin to doubt the whole relationship. They are plagued by skepticism about the whole thing. Some people start with doubts about the relationship and end up preoccupied with the flaws of the partner, but that's more real. So what does it look like? What are the presenting symptoms and signs in clinical settings? But this is of course obsessive preoccupation. Doubts. A variety of compulsive behaviors intended to reduce feelings of uncertainty, anxiety and distress or reduce the frequency of such thoughts. But the compulsions in ROCD are idiosyncratic. They are special to ROCD. They are not common to other ROCD manifestations. So for example monitoring and checking their own feelings. These people keep asking themselves, do I feel love? Do I want this partner? Do I want to be with her? Did I ever love her? Am I going to love her? Given the opportunity or time, should I invest in her? And then there's doubts about behaviors. Am I looking at others? Do I have a wandering eye? And then the obsessive thoughts, intrusive thoughts, do I have critical thoughts about her? Do I have doubts about him? These people are immersed in their own mind constantly trying to ascertain what is the level of doubt and suspicion regarding the partner. They keep comparing their relationships with other people's relationships. Friends, colleagues, characters in romantic films, TV sitcoms and celebrities. They make desperate attempts, these people. People with relationship and obsessive-compassive disorder. They make desperate attempts to recall good experiences with the partner. Times when they felt sure about the partner. And they keep consulting. And I mean like daily and hours every day. Friends, family, therapists, fortune tellers, psychics, you name it, about the relationship. They keep buttonholing. Everyone who passes asking questions about the relationship. People with ROCD try to avoid situations that trigger unwanted thoughts and doubts. They may avoid specific social situations such as friends they consider to be very much in love or having a perfect relationship. So if they have friends whose relationships are good or who are in the throes of a love affair with someone, infatuation or limerence, they would avoid these friends. Because these friends trigger, remind them of what they are missing and may provoke a cycle of obsession and compulsion. They avoid particular leisure activities such as seeing romantic movies because they are afraid that they would not be able to feel strong or passionate love as the characters in the movie do. People with ROCD may give great importance to romantic relationships. In a way, ROCD reflects an overinvestment, overcathesis in romantic relationships because the functions of the romantic relationship in people with ROCD are not the same as in healthy people. The romantic relationship with people with ROCD is an anxiolytic mechanism or device. The idea is that a romantic relationship can reduce your anxiety and depression. It's a self-medication. They self-medicate with intimate partners and they outsource internal ego-boundary functions and regulatory functions to the intimate partners. The romantic relationship has an inordinate importance in the life of the person with ROCD. Negative events relating to these relationships cause significant distress, make them doubt their own self-worth and go into panic mode because they are about to lose regulation, functions. The landscape is at risk of disintegrating and people with partner-focused obsessions are particularly sensitive to the way the partner compares them with others and to the way others look at the partner. The romantic relationship with a partner is viewed unfavorably or when encountering alternative potential partners causes intense distress and triggers this obsessive preoccupation. People with ROCD have extreme beliefs about relationships. They have a very unrealistic perception of intimacy, of relationships and what they should and could get from them. It makes them more responsive and emotionally reactive to relationship concerns and doubts. These beliefs are counterfactual and some of them are catastrophized beliefs, the terrible irreversible consequences of being in the wrong relationship, the hurt. This is a form of hurt aversion. So a belief like romantic relationship that doesn't always feel right is probably a destructive relationship. Or I think breaking up with my partner is one of the worst things that can happen to me. Or the thought of going through life without a partner scares me to death. These are all dysfunctional negative beliefs. Of course, they're all wrong. Extreme beliefs about love make people with ROCD more vulnerable to negative relationship thoughts or emotions. So this kind of beliefs, if the relationship is not completely perfect, it is unlikely to be true love. If you doubt your love for your partner, it is likely it is not the right relationship and not the right partner and probably not love. If you don't think about your partner all the time, she is probably not the one. And similar to other forms of ROCD, beliefs about the importance of thoughts, generally the importance of these thoughts. If I think about it, it must mean something. Or even if I think about it, it will come true, magical thinking. There's a difficulty with certainty, inability to handle uncertainty, I'm sorry. An inflated sense of responsibility. It's like if I fail to prevent something bad from happening, I might as well have caused it. I made it happen. And this also increases sensitivity to ROCD. Now we treat ROCD the way we treat OCD with CBT and so on and so forth. But it's at its infancy. People with OCD in general and relationship OCD in particular find great relief in reading or hearing about someone going through what they are experiencing. So joining forums may be a good idea. And reading or even listening to this video may be a good idea. And definitely CBT would be a good idea. The treatment includes assessment, information gathering, mapping the symptoms and understanding forming between therapist and client about beliefs and views of the self and others which may be affected by the symptoms. Wrong thinking. And exposure and response prevention therapies, ERP therapies are also very, very good. There's also new techniques like imagination based exposures and so on. So there are treatments and there are treatment gains. There are effective strategies. There are relapse prevention plans. OCD is amenable to treatment unlike, for example, narcissistic personality disorder, let alone psychopathy. So go for it. Go treat yourself. The worst case you will be given medication, antidepressants and xeolytics. In the worst case, even some stimulants, amphetamines, maybe of health. Just go and take care of this.  You may wish to take care of it. You may wish to have yourself treated because it can be different and it can be better.


Hello, I am Dr. Rashmi Dasoza, a qualified nutrition therapist, health and wellness coach, and an ENT surgeon. To start with, I am here today to give you useful tips on prenatal nutrition. Well, let me start with a real life scenario. Imagine you have with you a state wherein there are guests coming home. What would you do then? You would want to plan it out elaborately, wouldn't you? You have someone coming home to stay for a day or two, or probably you just have someone coming to have a meal. There is so much of preparation that would go behind it. Probably you would stock up the house, you clean it up, you would cook up an elaborate meal, you would be totally equipped with it. We don't need a planner for it.  You could probably do it with absolute perfection if you were to do it backwards as well. What doesn't strike you probably then is, if you can plan so much for a guest who is coming home, when you plan your pregnancy, there is a new guest coming into your body, a new growth, then why don't you do the same? Why don't you start by cleaning up your own body out of all those toxins and disease and disorders? What then should you be doing? You may want to ask me, yes, let me start right now with those useful tips. First of all, you need to eat right. Now I have some clients coming to me and saying, I do not want to start on a diet right now because I am pregnant. It does not work that way, why? Because in our times diet is synchronous with starvation. Most people think that dieting is nothing but eliminating a food group or sticking on to only one food group. We hear so much about the fruit diet, the military diet, general motors diet, all these are food fads that we say, fad diets. I do not recommend you to do that. Well to me a diet is basically eating right. So actually I would suggest you to have a lifestyle change, adopt a new lifestyle. What should you be doing then? Start off right now with cleaning up process, clean with your oral cavity first. What should you do then? Eat right, yes. So what I would suggest is eat wholesome, fresh fruits and vegetables. Do not go on to have that oil laden junk food which is so high in sugar and dense with calories. Do not go for spicy, oily, sugar rich and salty food. All that it would do would affect your blood pressure readings as well as affect your mood swings as well. The first thing when you are pregnant, I would suggest how would you eat right, what would you do the morning? Start off with eating fresh fruit or probably a handful of dried fruits and nuts. The next thing I would suggest is hydrate well. Hydrate so well that the absorption of nutrients and vitamins is never a problem. The assimilation of these becomes much easier. Eat well again would not only mean eat fresh fruits and vegetables, I would as a rule suggest avoid packaged food, avoid processed food, undercooked as well as uncooked meat in the form of salami, sausages or probably bacon, all these that come in packets. Stick to home cooked meals which are your best bet. The second aspect that I would want to bring in here, not only this, iron rich food would be a major thing that should go into your diet, iron and folic acid. What are the things that are there in these? Well green leafy vegetables would be your best thing to have. The next thing would be ragi, fennel seeds, dates, jaggery, carrots, beet roots, vitamin C rich food as in citrus fruits will be your other option. As a rule there should be no alcohol, no smoking. Try and curb your intake of caffeine, tea and coffee to a minimum. The second aspect that I would want to start off with is your exercise. Workout does not mean slogging long hours in the gym, obviously you should not be doing that when you realize that you are pregnant. Workout to me would be any basic form of exercise as recommended by the WHO, the World Health Organization. 30 minutes a day, 5 days a week of moderate intensity workout. Working out again is not a switch off and switch on button, it's a lifestyle. So what should you be doing? Start with something that your body should be used to. Not working out in the gym, not working out at home but something as basic as walking, 20 to 30 minutes a day. The third aspect I would want to bring out here is obviously you are going to be losing out on all that sleep once the child is born. So then make up for it now. Sleep for at least 7 and a half to 8 hours every day because your fitness levels depend on three things, eating right, exercising well and breathing and also sleeping well. When these four aspects are done right, your pregnancy is going to be a breeze, trust me. Now that you are geared up with all this knowledge, just dive right in, good luck.


Hey everyone, how's everyone doing? Hope everyone's okay. Just out here at the beach. Enjoy the view. In this video I want to talk about how the narcissist isn't interested in you as a person. Now they might fool you into thinking that they are, especially when you first meet them.    The way you look. The things that you like or are interested in. It's like you can't do anything wrong. But when you think about it, it's all just really superficial. They never took the time to ask questions. They never took the time to really get to know you. They never really wanted to learn anything about you. Other than things that were offensive. Things that made them look or feel good. But other than that, they didn't really care. They weren't really interested.  It's not about giving anything to you. It's not about taking an interest in you as a person. It's all about what you can do for them. How you can make them feel. They specifically target people who are physically attractive, successful, wealthy, powerful, people who stand out. People who are going to give them narcissistic supply by proxy. People who are going to make them look good. Many of you who have narcissistic parents. You all know it's the same thing. It's all about the child's achievements. It's all about the child's looking good. Everyone wants to see being what everyone wishes they could be. But they never really take an interest in that child emotionally. They don't really care about you as a person. They don't take the time to get to know how you feel. Because they really don't care. It doesn't mean anything to them. All they care about is their own feelings. And when they targeted you, it's because they wanted to feel good. They wanted to feel better about themselves. And they were hoping that you could give that to them. Whether it was through your physical appearance, your success, your wealth, whatever it was. They were hoping that those qualities would rub off on them. But they were never interested in you as a person. Never expect a narcissist to value you for who you are. For the person that you are on the inside. All they really care about are superficial things. You being successful at something, making them look good, being too successful. You don't want to look too good.  They'll feel like you're outshining them. So yeah, they want you to be something just not something greater than them. You may feel like they're not interested in me as a person. Why did they want to be with me? Why did they spend so much time around me?  Can you remember a time where you just sat down together? What you talked about was you listen to you or ask you questions about yourself. Can you remember a time where they did that? Did you find that about yourself? Can I jack the conversation and turn it into something about themselves? All a narcissist really cares about is it's all about how a situation can benefit them. It's all about their feelings. And even when it seems like they care about you, it's only because the situation benefits them in some way. Otherwise they wouldn't care. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say about that. Quite a heavy topic, you know. As I said, I'm just out here at a beach, feeling the cold breeze pushing the waves crash against the cliffs. Anyway, the narcissist may never have been interested in you, but you've got to take an interest in yourself. I don't let them stop you from doing that. Remember all the things that you were passionate about. Remember the things that you like, that you were interested in. And start doing those things again. The narcissist may never have been really interested in you as a person, but that doesn't mean that you are not interested.  And they will value that about you. And they'll want to know more. When you're really interested in someone, God, you just want to sit down with them. You just want to listen to them talk forever.  You just have this curiosity about them. You want to ask them questions. You want to know what they've been doing. You want to know just everything. You don't get that with a narcissist. And that's why you never really establish any real connection with them. It's all just superficial. Interest in yourself again. Start doing the hobbies and interests that you like again.  Like they're always focused on themselves all the time. They're always focused on their feelings. So why can't you focus on yourself? That's just how you're going to see it. It doesn't mean that you can't take other people's needs into consideration. It doesn't mean that you can't care about anyone else.  Take some time just to think about yourself once, what you want. I hope that helped. I've got two premieres later today. So I hope you can join me there. Talk to you later.


Today we're going to talk about cheap wine. In particular today's wine is the Explorador. This is $5.99 at, let me see how I, this is how I drink it. This is glass number two by the way. I normally drink two bottles to rate our wine. This is glass number two, watered down. Take a look at in the photos that I put up just now and this is how I water it down. It's how I stay hydrated. It's important just to make things official here. I'm going to taste it and I mentioned in my cheap wine reviews introduction video a couple days ago that I think expensive wine is for suckers or people that want to feel important. I'm not saying that there aren't subtleties between the wines, but it's like like minutiae.   What does that mean? It lingers.  So anyway, I'm going to taste this. I don't know. I'm not going to try and pretend that there's something going on here. This is a $5.99 at what? I don't know. It tastes like a $100 bottle of wine to me. It's all in your mind, you know. If you gave this to someone like new and say, hey, I got this, it was on sale for $99. It was normally $150. They'd be like, whoa, this is the best wine I ever had.  You know, I'll be honest. I mean, I guess it doesn't have a sophisticated taste. And yes, I've had more expensive wines that are all velvety and so on.  See, when you water it down, you stay hydrated. You can enjoy the imbibing factor a lot more and you get buzz slower. It's a good way to drink wine. Anyway, the story behind this is also, here's another thing, it's a screw top. You know, when these things first came out, like all the wine snobs, it took them a long time to be opened. Oh, that's a cheap wine. We can't have a wine without a cork. But then when you realize that one out of every four bottles of expensive wine you get is tainted because this corks go bad, then you start waking up to the fact that this is a this is a smart move. And also, most corks nowadays aren't even real cork. They're artificial. So like, people don't know what they're talking about. Every wine is going to be screw top in 10 years. You watch. It's less waste and it keeps the wine better. Anyway, so that's it. Well, I'm on glass number two here and I'm going to come back maybe when I finish this bottle and we'll talk about, you know, I normally drink two. I might be a little tired tonight. So I may not even get to finishing two. But what I wanted to do with this video series, the cheap wine reviews for njroute22.com, when I'm on the glass number three or four, I'll bring my little flyer so I can I can put that up. That's my big thing, you know. Anyway, I totally forgot. Yeah, I'm going to hopefully remember to bring my camera. So when I wake up in the morning, I can describe exactly how I feel in the morning. And that's that's how I rate a wine is how crappy do I feel in the morning or do I feel bad at all? I don't want to feel bad.  They can drink, you know, two or three glasses, four glasses of any wine out no matter how cheap it is or how expensive it is and feel fine the next day. Contrarily or on the contrary, as they say, like for me, three bottles of anyone, I don't care how good or how pure it is. I pretty much in general, it's guaranteed that I'll feel really crappy the next day. So two bottles is my gauge.  And this is this. This is my my barometer because I've had two bottles of I can feel good with two bottles. Let's just put it that way.  So we'll be back. We'll talk more about this. But if this isn't about finisher notes or winery or how the age of the grape or what kind of like horses walked on the soil in the 1800s, this is none of that crap because none of that matters. It's affordable, good time, reliable, you know, like can you get it? Although the story with this is that Bourbon Street, which has, you know, I don't know, 10 or 12 stores, I forget how many they bought out the entire inventory. You can't find this wine anywhere else. And I heard they paid $2 a bottle. And then God knows they bought a couple thousand bottles of it. And they jacked it up to 599. They should that's a 300% wait, two, four, six, 200% markup. And that's unheard of for even cheap wine, like they sell a $20 bottle of wine, they're probably, they probably paid 18 bucks for it. So this is a huge profit margin for Bourbon Street. You can't get anywhere else. And not too many five, nine. I like this one. I've had it in the past. It's not my first time. This isn't like a first time review. It doesn't, it's, it's, it's an okay wine. And I'll be kind of sad when it's gone.  It's, it's not the lowest price one. Let's just put it that way. There are cheaper ones. Crane Lake is one of them. That is garbage.  I thought it was a big deal when I found it at Buy Right Lickers a long time ago. And I thought it was like I stumbled across this kind of bargain. No, it's not a bargain when you have to pay like top dollar in pain. No way. So I'm going to come back and do a couple more edits here. I'm going to go do some other work and we'll see if I get, I don't really slur my words too bad when I'm, when I'm drinking. Only when I'm really, uh, lit, like in hard liquor does that to me. So I'll be back and we'll talk more about this wine in a no nonsense way. Okay, I'm back. Here we have, this is the last, I divide my wine glass up to six ounce servings with the rest of water. And I just kick this bottle here, explore a door. Now the purpose of my reviews here is to drink two bottles and report on how I feel the next day. Well, the problem is I'm a little bit tired today. I did some hardcore, what do you call it, landscaping today and I'm using heavy equipment and I'm holding it up. Like God man, that's sore. I'm a little bit tired. I don't even know what time it is like one, I think. I think it's one, one a.m. So I don't know if I'm going to be able to drink to, but I'll tell you this this much. I've had two bottles of this many times in the last few, you know, months since they added, uh, it's focused even, yeah, since they've had it on special at, at Bourbon Street. And it's, I feel fine the next day. It's, uh, and here's a little interesting tidbit about, um, about hangovers. Like, like, some people just like, they drink themselves into a stupor. They do hard liquor and they don't hydrate themselves.  There's something that's, that's that the worst kind of thing. That's like for like the newbie that gets drunk for the first time in their 21 and they, they're not sensible. When you drink and hydrate, and I drink additional water on top of this, I mean, let me have a sip now. For me, my hangover is like, sometimes it's like partially like digestive. Sometimes I never really get a headache. I'm never really nauseous. I just feel like this general queeze, um, general like uneasiness, you know, it's like, it's weird. I know like as time goes by that, uh, there's a certain time where you just know you're okay. You're like, okay, sometimes it's like two o'clock or five o'clock p.m.  And the worst is the worst hangovers for me, at least, or when it's like 11 o'clock at night, I feel better. And then it's like, God, man, am I going to have another glass of wine? A lot of times I don't. Most of the times I don't. But there's usually like this clearing in the sky. It's like when the storm goes by and then all of a sudden the clouds, uh, they clear in this blue sky comes out. That's, that's basically like, uh, how I feel. So I don't know if I'm going to crack into bottle number two. So this review and my first review here may be a bust other than the fact that I've had this and I can tell you that two bottles for me is, is fine. Um, one little anecdote here, a little tidbit about this kind of review I'm doing. I should probably have some baseline settings, um, like no drinking the night before or two or three nights before, just to have a control because I may unfairly give a ordinarily good wine a bad review if it's like, you know, latching onto the previous hangover from the night before. So that, I don't know what the exact science is there. I'm sure it's all individual but I should probably have like an established, uh, constant where I never talk about my two bottle review unless I have not at least drank the night before, preferably two or three more days before that. But having a, having a drink after a long day is always a helpful thing to go to sleep and stuff. So that's it. I will put another scene in here if I crack this little bottle open. Um, I have this weird tendency to have staying power. I make it tired, you know, like one o'clock, two o'clock, and then something interests me and I just, I stay up three o'clock, four o'clock, and then this, this, this may, uh, may come into play. So that's it. This is, I'm going to figure out a way to make these reviews maybe two minutes long. Not, I have a lot to talk about here. So if, if you follow this channel or you're interested in cheap wine reviews, I think these first stay with me while I stumble through these first few videos, I'll figure out how to make it, uh, better. I mean, I'm not going to try and copy anybody else. That's not really my style. I'm just trying to do something fun here and, and I have a lot to talk about this. So that's it. I might be back. I might not. Just wanted to say, uh, after it was a, the final tally last night was, uh, one bottle and one glass. And I'm going to perfect the happy day today. Um, no, uh, feeling crappy at all. So, uh, we'll have to do a two bottle next time.


Oh my god, have you heard of the new store? Debit cards you go to a machine to top up a card which you can use in the shopping mall What so they don't the shopping mall doesn't take cash like one thing they did in our area Those automatic tellers, you know where you can do your thing, right? They don't take cash anymore Only credit card. I've seen multiple people go up there Scandar thing right and they go to pay I did it once I usually don't use them This was I was in a hurry. There's lineups and all the places where there's human beings, right?  I remember correctly, right? Hello, hello, I see multiple people. Where can I pay?   Look at New York City They're gonna start tracking people's consumption habits So they're gonna have that database on you if you live in New York I don't know if it's all of New York State or New York City, right? I might get gutter feeling it's just New York City. They're gonna they're gonna track your spending habit, right? They're gonna have that in a database Guaranteed that's gonna get hacked guaranteed. That's gonna get sold, right? And then when you apply to get health insurance your information is in there what you're eating, right now The statisticians right those who do actual Actorials, I never really pronounced that right actual is they're gonna give those variables some kind of weight Right, and that all goes into an equation Calculations And you're gonna start paying insurance premiums based on your diet to the calories you eat to the amount of fat You consume to the amount of the number of rumballs you eat, right to how much preservatives you consume, right? Guaranteed that information has already been going on about your health status and all that jazz, right? So more and more people are Starting to use cash and I've seen people pull out of those lines of Automatic tellers and go line up behind cash registers to pay cash Okay, just a heads up