I mean who can ever imagine something like this right? It just you know I know I couldn't and I'm just I don't know what to say I'm just I'm so honored and I feel like this represents a recognition of some foundational work that was started at Berkeley on my side and was an international collaboration from the beginning with Emmanuel Charpentier and our students Chris Chilinski and Emmanuel's lab and Martin Yennec in my group so a truly international partnership and you know it really was a curiosity-driven project from the beginning and I want to also mention that for me my introduction to CRISPR was Gillian Banfield at Berkeley who had done some of the early work to uncover this pathway in bacteria. She brought CRISPR to my attention because she thought that it would be an interesting system to study and boy was she right you know and Gill continues to be a wonderful partner and collaborator and we have now have been able to relocate our laboratories into the same building at Berkeley and the IGIB building which is great and I you know it's she's the type of person that represents what's best about Berkeley it's just incredible scholarship you know colleagues who are deeply passionate about their work about their students you know she's teaching a course right now she has to had to convert everything to online and you know I know that's been really hard but she you know she relishes it I mean this is what we what we do anyhow yeah so complete shock and and just humble I humbled by it you know I just for little old me to win the prize I mean it's astounding how'd you find out I was really deeply asleep and I got a call my phone was headed on silent actually my phone was buzzing and for some reason I I woke up and I looked at the phone it was 253 and it was it was Heidi Ledford who is a reporter who I know I've talked to in the past at nature and I so I answered the phone and she said hi Jennifer it's Heidi I'm sorry to you know bother you early but I just you know wanted to get your comments about the Nobel and I said and I thought she was calling to ask me to comment on somebody else winning the Nobel Prize and I you know I was just so I was so deeply asleep and I just you know I was rubbing my eyes and thinking okay I've got to get on my computer and find out who won the Nobel Prize and and I said well who who won it and she said well you won it she said you mean you haven't talked to them yet and I said no and she said oh my gosh I'm the one to tell you and I said yes and and so I said Heidi I feel like I'm sorry I need to go I need to try to get some official news and I looked at my phone and sure enough there were a bunch of messages that I you know from the Sweden and then while I was looking at that my phone rang again and it was Martin Yennec calling from me from Switzerland where he runs a lab now and he was just very very nice he was over the moon he said I'm just so happy and so excited for you and Manuel and you know it's just really wonderful news and of course I'm deeply proud of Martin and his work and you know how indebted I am to him for being in my lab and and doing this wonderful work together so it was great to talk with him at that moment for sure and and then you know things just started to go crazy with phone yeah I think that it really speaks to the fact that I think for many women there's a feeling that no matter what they do their work will never be recognized the way it would be if they were a man and this recognition today I think just you know refutes that in a way and and it just honors the work that you know was started by by a collaboration between two women and you know who set out not to not to win the Nobel Prize but to do really fundamental science that we thought was exciting and important and interesting and we led our our teams to work on it collaboratively and that just means a lot to me and and I think it it means a lot to me thinking back to my own childhood you know growing up as a you know I had been told more than more than a few times that you know girls girls don't do chemistry or girls don't do science and fortunately I ignored that I'm deeply committed to democratizing technology and and certainly CRISPR-Cas so that it's available and accessible to people that need it whether it's for biomedical uses or for agricultural uses or or anything else you know research of course and I I guess if if if this prize changes any of that I guess it it sort of underscores that there's a there's a an importance to to fundamental science that can really change you know fundamental science can change the world I think this is a message that needs to get out there because in many cases we hear the opposite we hear that you know why aren't scientists you know why aren't we curing cancer why aren't we you know working on very focused problems and it's not that that isn't important but the message here is that solutions to problems come from unexpected directions and that's that's really the message of CRISPR you know and it's it's a I think it's a you know it's a really important message to get out to young people especially who are thinking about a career in science and I always encourage students to pursue their their passions because we don't know where the next you know big discoveries and technologies are going to come from and who knew that you know a bacterial immune system would in fact emerge as a world-changing technology for gene editing but here we are you know it's it's it's still a very young technology we're eight years into it and incredibly there already are clinical trials ongoing using it and more and more opportunities to deploy it in in agricultural applications and for other things so I think we'll just continue to see the field accelerating from from here for myself you know I think I think continuing to do very fundamental work on the technology understanding the mechanism of how it works that's always what I've what I've enjoyed doing and what what I like to do plus I think it's critical to ensure that the technology is used safely and effectively under we've seen this over and over that when we understand how molecules work we can you know think properly about how to make sure that they work in in the way one wants especially as a technology so you know they kind of go hand in hand how are you feeling right now I am feeling um a combination of emotions I'm I'm I'm I'm finding myself reflecting back on many events in the past you know just my my upbringing my um you know my sisters I talked to one of them today the other one I haven't talked to yet but um and uh you know who is very proud and um you know my parents have passed away so they're not you know wherever they are they're you know um looking down I'm sure and uh yeah I'm just thinking about my college experience you know being trained by a female biochemist Sharon Panasenko at Pomona College who is truly inspirational to me and um and then just my mentors over the years who have been so supportive because that's that's critical for anybody but you know certainly for me uh helping to build my confidence in myself as a scientist that's that's been key so I'm I'm I'm getting a lot of you know flashbacks going on and I guess the other thing I'm thinking about is um you know I'm just thinking about my son and and sort of people at his age you know it's a it's a challenging time right now for young people and uh I don't know to what extent young people pay that much attention honestly to Nobel Prize announcements um I'm not sure I would have at at 17 but you know I think for maybe for girls especially you know this is kind of a moment to take a step back from the the craziness that's going on and and just to kind of enjoy you know enjoy enjoy great science and and and you know the process of discovery because that's that's why I've always done science I'm just so proud of Berkeley um it's it's wonderful I I you know I'm really honored to to represent such a great university and couldn't have done the work without being here I don't think it would have happened if I wasn't at Berkeley honestly um you know just because of all of the circumstances certainly my interaction with Jillian Banfield uh being the the the start of all of this but then you know having the good fortune to attract wonderful people to the lab and to have so many incredible colleagues I mean we've done so many uh collaborative projects over the years with with people at Berkeley and you know I still I've been at Berkeley 18 years and I still occasionally have this feeling like I'll go to go to a seminar I'll go I'll go to some not so much these days we're not doing it in person but you know just events where I'm looking around the room or the zoom room with with colleagues and I I'll just have this momentary oh my gosh I am part of this you know and these people are all every single one of them is an incredible scholar and I'm so honored to be here I just I you know I still have that really deep you know feeling of being very very proud of of this university and you're also very proud of your students and the students I am they give you a lift yeah oh yeah I mean they do I mean my students are are what you know keep me keep me going you know and and I'm just incredibly incredibly honored to be part of all of this


I'm John Furrier here with Silicon Angle. We're in the Wikibon headquarters office in Malboro, Massachusetts. And this is the CUBE team doing a preview on VMworld, Dave Vellante, Stu Minin, Brian Graceley here to break down VMworld 2015. Of course, the CUBE will be there for the sixth year in Moscone North for more details later. But guys, welcome to the CUBE conversation. Scythe, my first CUBE conversation in the Malboro studio here in Massachusetts. Dave, it's your home turf. John, welcome, yeah.  Well, I'm glad you're comfortable with the mic. He's a close guy, right? Back at home. All right, so a lot of big stuff to talk about VMworld. The news, honestly, Recode broke the story. We had a follow-up with the Wikibon analysts around the EMC dynamic. VMworld's right around the corner. We have a huge CUBE production. What do you guys expect to see at VMworld? Dave, start with you. Well, you know, I go back, John, to our first VMworld with the CUBE, which was 2010, because I was attending VMworld a couple years before that. I think we're seeing a VMware in the midst of a massive transition. If you go roll it back to the beginning of the decade, Todd Nielsen was the president. Paul Moritz was the CEO. Nielsen used to talk about the ecosystem and the leverage of the ecosystem for every dollar spent on a VMware license. 15 was spent in the ecosystem. You don't hear VMware talking about that anymore, and they're grabbing different pieces of the stack. I remember in a side conversation with Moritz at a financial analyst meeting one time, he talked about building the software mainframe. And I said, wow, that's a really ambitious plan. That's going to put you at odds with this company. That company goes, yeah, we're at war with everybody. And I think what we've seen is sort of a navigation through that ecosystem play where we had all that leverage and now VMware grabbing networking, grabbing storage. You know, at the time it was moving up the stack. As you remember with Zimra trying to, you know, get into the application space. They spun that off to Pivotal. Now with all this Federation talk coming back together, maybe EMC's thinking about taking a more Oracle-like approach, but so it's going to be an interesting sort of undercurrent, I think, to the whole VM world. Yeah, Dave, you brought up some great points. Back in 2010 we used to say, is VMware going to be the next Microsoft to really move up the stack and build that whole application portfolio? Of course they've divested themselves of most of it, Pivotal took a bunch of it. Now when they put Pat Gelsinger in charge, I said, well, could VMware really be the next Intel? Because what has Intel done over the last decade? It's pulled a lot of functionality into the chipset, but it hasn't pushed away their partners. And as you said, VMware's really built on both the technology and channel ecosystem partners, but VMware's definitely had a little bit of struggle with expanding its storage, little bit of pushback there from some of the ecosystem. Networking is moving along quite a bit and cloud with vCloud Air, how does VMware help grow that ecosystem? They don't use the number anymore, Dave, about how many dollars they're driving through the ecosystem. It's really been about how VMware can sustain growth and keep growing. Because, I mean, John, you've seen the change in Palo Alto is what's happened to, I remember in VMware it was a 100-person company, and now they're over 12,000, which is what EMC was 15 years ago. I was having a conversation online with Frank Slutman, who was at Data Domain, sold to EMC, and then he's now CEO of ServiceNow. And what he was saying was that VMware would be really nothing without EMC. So the Federation model's working, but the question always is, I mean, the other way around it was VMware's nothing without EMC. No, I'm sorry, VMware would not be what the size it is today without EMC. Yeah, and I think, Dave, you break up, it's been an interesting dynamic because how important is the VMware asset to where EMC is today in the marketplace, but I think we've had lots of discussions about this. If EMC hadn't bought VMware, what if Symantec had bought them? What if they'd been the standalone? Would they have had the funding and been able to stand alone? My thesis is really good. What if Cisco had bought them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, how is it going on? So why don't Pope Brian come up from North Carolina here? It's a little bit of background with both VMware and Cisco. What's your take? To me, the biggest thing is I don't know who they speak to anymore. They speak to so many different groups. I mean, they're going to speak to infrastructure. They used to be all infrastructure. It was nothing but guys doer, server people and storage people. Now it's an open source crowd with all the stuff they're doing around Docker. It's public cloud. They're doing a little bit around applications. They're doing security. They're doing networking. That's really hard to communicate to somebody. What should I focus on if I work with VMware? And I think that's the thing that Gelsinger's got to figure out is how does he communicate to people that if he's building the software mainframe, if he's building the software data center, like there are people that do things outside of that, should they be part of the VMware community? And that's complicated. So guys, that brings, that's Pivots to my next question. Where I wanted you guys to drill down on and evaluate. And this comes back down to kind of just competitive strategy meets industry transformation. VMware grew, some will say is it a focus issue that they have all these moving parts? Or is it part of a coherent strategy to be the platform? And if the ecosystem play is not playing out or they're not sharing numbers, is that a pretext to something else meaning is there platform wars going on? Are people going in alone?  You got Pivotal out there in the Federation. Is it a platform war out there? Because you could argue with VMware, they're not focused, all these things they're talking to, different stakeholders, or is it just a platform play? Well, I think it is a platform war. And I think if you look back at 2010, it was like, okay, VMware had won the platform war and then OpenStack comes out and then AWS gets all this momentum, Microsoft gets its act together. This thing, Docker comes out of the blue with containers and now it's almost like jump ball again and you have big players like HP and IBM saying, we're going to put our muscle behind OpenStack, it just levels the playing field, doesn't it? Let's do what you're taking, ecosystem robust or is there a little cold war going on right now? Yeah, as Dave points out, VMware's fighting a multi-front war here. And if OpenStack is where private cloud's going to be, wait, wait, wait, private cloud, that's my data center, that's where VMware has lived today in so much of the OpenStack ecosystem, built a value proposition around getting people off of that VMware license and leveraging open source a lot more. So when you talk to some of the big companies like IBM and HP and what they're doing with OpenStack, it's not a VMware integrated OpenStack, it's their version of OpenStack and what they're doing and VMware's not in that discussion. So I said when VMware pushed for their OpenStack solution, it's really defensive moves so that the customers come and say, hey, I'm looking at OpenStack, but I'm happy with my vSphere. I mean, most customers are, can you help me out in VMware? Absolutely, walk down this path with us, we'll be happy to help you there, but they're not the leaders in the OpenStack community, they're not a lot of the project leads out there. They've, over the last year or so, really started to push back in that environment and I expect to hear plenty about OpenStack at VMworld this year, but today VMware is kind of struggling on the track to see where they fit into that OpenStack. So what about the customer perspective, all right?  What do you do? I think if you're a customer, your big thing is, do I need to keep paying so much for VMware? Like that, you know, I got out of the hyperwaves or what I'm going to get out of it, it does a great job, but I don't know that I need more of it. And then what I really want to hear from them is, how do I deal with my Microsoft applications and how am I going to deal with Amazon? Because the numbers for vCloud Air don't begin to sniff what Amazon's doing in terms of growth, in terms of- In terms of penetration. Yeah, in terms of penetration, you don't hear developers talk about a work site of a vCloud Air and that's where Amazon's winning and dominating and driving the conversation. So it's, are you going to give me a story that helps me touch all those things or are you going to go even further locked in? Which, if I hear that as a customer, I start to get real concerned, I start to explore Docker, I start to explore OpenStack more because I don't want to get, if I'm locked into Oracle for part of my stack, do I want to also be locked into VMware and you start to make difficult decisions? So is there alternatives out there? So this comes back down to the VMware license and the mentioned earlier, they don't talk about that license in the ecosystem anymore because I don't think people generally want to pay more licenses for stuff that they're saturated or happy with. But the question is, what's the alternative to the license? Is there competition out there? And obviously the platform is the cloud, right? We're talking about the cloud here. So what's the alternative to VMware license and their revenue stream? What's the threat? I feel like VMware had pricing power and that pricing power is starting to attenuate for a variety of reasons. You've mentioned several in the cloud and these other factors, but we hear from customers that they don't want to pay the V-tex. They're looking for alternatives. They've gotten, they've squeezed a ton of ROI out of VMware. It's like, okay, what's next? Well, let's now go after networking. Let's go after storage, but those are both harder. Cisco's not just standing still. What you guys taking? And Brian brought up a real good point. If I look at the applications that sit on top of VMware, there's one of two things. It's either Microsoft apps, in which case, hey, Microsoft's really gotten their act together. The Azure story for hybrid is probably one of the best in the industry for a true who's a leader in both public and private. Microsoft's there strong. And secondly, if it's not Windows, it's probably open source, leveraging Linux and everything else like that. In which case, if I'm a developer, am I going to stay with VMware or am I going to choose some alternative out there? Whether that be Red Hatch, it's doing containers and dockerization. Brian, I'm curious, your take on the cloud native announcement that VMware made a month or so ago. They had CoreOS on stage. They're saying they're all these partnerships. They've put a couple of pieces together. Is VMware creditable in the developer space? I don't think they are yet. I think, like I tend to break it up into what I call structured, which is your cloud foundry platforms, open shift, some of the very structured past platforms, which can run great on VMware, but can also run an open stack and docker. And then you've got all the unstructured stuff. So the Kubernetes and Docker and these really cool new technologies that people are kind of piecing together. I think VMware's trying to sort of figure out, can I play in those ecosystems? Can I neutralize them where they're concerned? Like Docker concerns them, I believe. They're talking about it all the time. But they're still talking to infrastructure people. They're not talking to application developers. So I feel like, cloud foundry has a connection to VMware. They're talking cloud native, but if you're VMware and you say cloud mobile, I don't know what your real connection is to that cloud native application. You're still plumbing to them. Google pumped up cloud native on their hashtag. They co-opted the cloud native branding. Are they more cloud native than VMware?  We saw that at, coming out of the Oskon announcements. How does that all fit in here? And where's VMware, Visa, V, Google, Azure, and these other guys who are fighting in the open stack battle, are they relevant there? Yeah, I mean, Dave had a great piece. It's been a couple of months, but he had a great piece that just talked about the economics of being cloud native. It is really expensive. Look, guys are putting in a billion dollars a quarter in infrastructure to build out these huge clouds. VMware's not doing anything near that, right? They might be talking about a billion dollars over three years. I mean, that's an arms race. That's a hard arms race to fight. It's a hard arms race to win if you're that far behind. Is cloud native just hype? Who's cloud native? Are there enough use cases? Is it just more build that they will come? Or are we seeing use cases of people who are cloud native outside the outliers, like the big hyperscalers, like the web apps, like the Facebooks of the world, or who's cloud native? I don't think you can take those hyperscalers out of the equation, because they are driving the economics.  Six billion, seven billion this year at operating profit of 17 to 20, 23%. That's EMC's operating profit. So you have a company that is as profitable as EMC with software-like marginal economics driving. So then who's cloud native? So is it the enterprise? Well, so you talking about from the buyer standpoint, yeah, what's, you know, that all this is going into cloud native infrastructure. What is a cloud native app? Is it just a mobile app connected to a database? I mean, or is it the large scale Amazons of the world, which is just apps? Well, it's a great question because it begs the question for practitioners, what do you do with your non-cloud native apps, all your legacy apps? And I don't think you just fence them off. I think you have to integrate them in some way, shape, or form to the balance of the portfolio. You know, Gartner's got this thing about bimodal IT and essentially it says create a couple of stovepipes. And I don't think that's the answer. So we're going to look at cloud native at VMworld this year. So let's talk about what we're going to look for. What are you guys looking for at VMworld? I'm going to look up for cloud native. I'm looking for dev ops. I'm looking for the cloud story and where the whole end user computing kind of threads in. What are you guys looking at for Dave's too? And Brian, what's your, what's your eyes open for to hear from VMware? So for me, the big thing is, are they going to go back to being an innovation company or are they going to be really defensive? They did some nice things being defensive around OpenStack to sort of block that. They've got to play. They've been sort of aggressive now around Docker and sort of cloud native. They've done some open source stuff. That's interesting. But I want to see, are they going to drive innovation and then are they doing, do they have any customers yet? Right. VMware has gotten into this rut where they announce way ahead, not three months ahead, sometimes a year ahead, are there customers that are adopting this innovation that they're trying to drive or are they just being defensive? And that's a playbook that the large companies with a big install base take because they don't necessarily innovate. Microsoft. But they're not the innovators. So what they do is they announce a year ahead of time, they freeze the market, they get their technology ready, they buy whatever pieces they're missing and they go to market and eventually get there with a version two or a version three. But I expect to hear in that regard, a lot about VSAN and a lot about NSX, which are sort of the next two revenue drivers for VMware.  Well, they got to start delivering on that web. And she takes on that TAM. And they are delivering.  Let's not forget that, but it's just becoming a much more mature company to your point.  I mean, big question I have. The theme for the show this year is like ready for any. So two years ago, it was NSX was front and center, you know, that $1.2 billion on a Sierra and where that's going to go. Well, it's got about 700 customers, which is okay, but you know, hasn't taken over, you know, transform the networking industry.   It's not baked into the evil rail products yet. I expect to hear more about evil rack this year, which builds out, you know, a more scalable environment, not just going out to the mid range. So we've covered a lot about what we call server sand, the hyperconversion environment and VMware their VSAN initiative. I said it was the biggest impact on that whole hyperconverse story because VMware got everybody talking about it, putting in their environment, so it's driving rural revenue. If you take the appliances and all of the drag of the solutions, we had it at over a billion dollars last year in 2014.  So to me, VMware has the position itself as the safe bet because customers are saying, well, look, I got all these alternatives. I'm paying this, you know, the V tax. I got all this innovation and open source coming down. You know, maybe I could move over there and I think VMware's to say, oh, that's risky. That's what they do. Now, I think that's EMC's playbook. EMC is very, very good, but they've got that belly to belly, you know, sales mentality. You know, EMC VMware is more reliant on their distribution partners. You know, whether it's a Dell or an IBM or an HP who are controlling that the chess board. Certainly the ecosystem is transforming and the market is certainly on fire right now. It's a really exciting time. Guys, I want to get your final parting thoughts. I want to hear predictions from each of you. What you predict will happen at VMworld. It could be anything. So give you some time to think, but first I want to share one. The cube will be there in force. We're going to be at Moscone North, SiliconANGLE Media's SiliconANGLE Wikibon theCUBE. We'll be at Moscone North, big lobby. We have meetups. We have a big stage. Come visit us. We'll have a lot of action. Meet the team. Go to wikibon.com for free research. You can have all the stuff going up to VMworld. For Brian Gracely, Stu Miniman, Dave Vellante, David Floyd, the whole Wikibon team. Big analysis, a lot of stuff hitting the network. And also subscribe to the premium version of the research. A lot of in-depth on the cutting edge stuff. What's happening down to the minute. So guys, so predictions at VMworld besides the cube, having a huge stage and big presence for the sixth year. What do you expect to see? What prediction will you make? We're going to go on the record for prediction. We'll see. I think that's, I think you're going to see. I mean, I think there's a real integration theme going on here. I mean, Oracle is the extreme with the red stack of integration. And I think that you've seen VMware take sort of baby steps in that direction. I think the first baby step was when they put patent charge. And we all said, okay, he's going to start grabbing, pieces of the stack, particularly storage. I think you're going to see that much, much bigger front and center this year. So the number one, and to carry on sort of Brian's piece, you're also going to see the defense mechanisms up there in a bigger way. Stu, what do you predict? So first of all, what I'd like to see and what I was actually one of the highlights for me at EMCworld this year was we actually talked a lot about the application. We talked about where the developers and where some of those new applications are going and how things need to change for that. Because for me, when VMware first went in, in the early 2000s, it was like, let's take my old legacy applications and shove them in a VMware environment on an old server and I'd keep it there forever. So I want to see a little bit more about how they're paving the path to the future. It's really been more of a pivotal story until recently, but I'd like to see that. So are you predicting that happening and that's just nice to have you. Well, I'm saying if I don't see that from VMware, I'm going to be sorely disappointed because if it's just the next version of vSphere and we got a couple of customers doing some of our pieces of the solutions around there, I'm worried about VMware going forward. I should just make a prediction. So the prediction is, put me on the spot, John. Of course, yeah. So yeah, I think we're going to have a good mix of VMware moving the ball down the field and things like OpenStack and what they're doing with vSan, moving their customers. I don't think there's going to be any major transformational announcement. There's not going to be a mega acquisition or anything like that. I feel it's going to be just next year bringing the party to Moscone. All right, Brian, prediction. So I've said for a while that I actually think Docker will end up getting acquired by Microsoft. I think there's a lot of reasoning why that makes a lot of sense. I think we're going to see VMware and Pat's going to come out with a big, big hammer and try and pound on Docker. Talk about why it's not secure. Talk about why it's not enterprise ready. I think they're going to go after somebody and I think it's going to be Docker in a big way because I think they're concerned that it's either going to impact their VM business or they're going to get acquired by somebody big like Microsoft who has had a bull's eye on them for a long time. Awesome. My prediction is that the conversation will be dominated by the EMC Federation VMware discussion. I think there's going to be a lot of distractions around that whole, do they spin in VMware? And then there'll be a lot of hallway conversations around what that means to the ecosystem. So again, all good things, economics are, you know, I watch as ringing. So look, it feels like we're already on the number here. So I think that's going to be a big part of the conversation. So guys, good job. We'll see everyone at VMworld 2015. Look for theCUBE. This is a CUBE conversation here in Malboro. Thanks for watching.


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Oh, righty, oh my God, that was the hardest already ever. I'm freaking out. I just got news from the people that I buy my, get all my stock information from when I'm purchasing stocks. And oh my God, I thought this was a joke, but it's real, you can even Google it, other news companies are reporting on it now. It looks like the stocks for Cedar Fair have halted as interest is being shown from six flags to purchase Cedar Fair, and it gets even worse. Cedar Fair is actually from the sounds of it considering the sale. Okay, I'm freaking out right now. I'm not gonna go into detail just yet. I'm gonna sit down for five minutes. I'm gonna go over my thoughts. I'm gonna go over my analysis. I'm gonna make a video, deep breaths, Brendan, deep breaths. I'm gonna make a video about why I'm angry. I'm really angry. I don't even wanna say, I literally am so angry with both Cedar Fair and Six Flags right now. This is a joke. This has to be a joke. I am hoping this is an early, early, early, early April Fool's joke, but it's not. These are real sources. I posted one right here on the screen. So it looks like shares have been halted. After reports have come forward that Six Flags Entertainment has made a bid to acquire the theme park company, Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair is reportedly considering the offer. Deep breaths, deep breaths, Brendan, it's okay. Everything will be fine. Frontier Canada will be fine. The themed areas that aren't superheroes will be just fine. Anyways, I thought I would make a really quick video just to get the news out there. And I'm gonna make an analysis video about why I'm so triggered. I have never been more triggered in my life. I'm really upset. I'm eating 12 dozen grizzly cream donuts right now to get me through this news. Anyways, that's it. I had to get the news out there. I know a lot of you are probably not gonna believe this, but I am promising you that this news site that I have right on the screen right now is very reliable. This isn't a fake news site. This is real. Okay, deep breaths. I am so sorry if I ruined any of your day watching this video, but I had to get the news out there. Hopefully, oh my goodness. Hopefully I didn't ruin any of your days. But nonetheless, I got the news out there. I'm gonna go sit down for five minutes. I'm gonna make my analysis video about why I'm triggered, and we'll go from there. I can't wait to see other people's videos. I'm really looking forward to what Coaster Studios has to say as more news comes forward about this. I'm really looking forward to what anyone has to say. I'll tell Ryan, I really wanna hear what he has to say too. Woo, okay, everything will be fine. Hopefully you enjoyed this video. Don't forget to hit that like button. Subscribe if you haven't, and share this video for others to panic over. Have a good one guys, bye.


2020 was a rough year for everyone. It was one of the more difficult years I've had in a long time, and for someone with a past like mine, that's saying something, man. Work got stupid, and then it got crazy and stressful, and the more crazy and stressful it got, the more I realized how pointless it actually was, which just made it more stressful in turn. Also the world broke, the republic teetered, and the very notion of objective facts became a subject of debate. On the home front, things were difficult the whole way through, and I finally came to understand that old saying, you're only as happy as your least happy kid. It's a lesson I hope none of you ever have to learn, and one I now realize must have made my parents live in constant turmoil. And some small way this year is probably a kind of karmic punishment for what I did to them, but in a more accurate way, it really wasn't about me at all. And that made it even harder. That's probably why I made less videos this year than I did last. Looking back, nearly half as many videos, which kind of shocks me. I felt I was keeping up with this, but I guess not quite like I had been. Odd, then, that I doubled my subscriber count while having my work.  When I was young, and writing stories and songs, I thought that hard times were needed to be creative. And while I still think our hardest times end up being fuel for our most creative work, as I've aged, I've come to understand that this is only true afterwards.  When things are at their worst, you're not thinking of all the great songs to come. You're just hanging by your fingertips trying to get through another day. Still, in this year, more than any recent year, I came to realize that games are a really important part of my life. As important in many ways as music and family and friend. When things are going well, games bring me joy and give me something to share with people. And when things are going bad, they're a place to escape to.  Even for only a few precious moments.  With that out of the way, here's a list of the best games that were released this year, in my opinion. Let's start with the games that made my honorable mention list.  It'll save us both some time, dude. Number 11, Cyberpunk. I really struggled with where to put this. Did I really enjoy Cyberpunk more than I did the Resident Evil 3 remake? Or Mortal Shell? Or even Destiny 2? I don't know. And should a game with such a disastrous release on base consoles even make the best of the year list, Cyberpunk has a bunch of flaws in both its storytelling and its gameplay. But it's also got so much that done well, and it's so impressive graphically that I don't think it's fair to not at least mention it as one of the better games of the year. Still, when I finally sat down and made the list of the 24 new games I played this year, I honestly couldn't justify putting it any higher up. Still, if you haven't played it, I do honestly recommend giving it a shot if you're on PC or the new consoles. Obviously, it simply doesn't run on the base Xbox One and PS4. 10, Immortals, Phoenix Rising. Immortals was originally called Gods and Monsters. Then they got sued for copyright infringement by Monster Energy Drink, under the theory that the word monster is now owned by the makers of putrid green energy swill and that consumers would confuse Monster the Drink with Gods and Monsters the game and then get mad when the game neither came into can nor succeeded in making them feel edgy and irritable. So the folks at Ubisoft went back to the drawing board and held a contest to see who could come up with the shittiest name possible. Immortals, Phoenix Rising, was that name. Now, there's a reason I told you that. It's not just that it's both funny and a perfect example of how big companies think they're allowed to own everything. You see, there's a truly amazing irony in them having to change the name in response to a copyright dispute.  Immortals isn't like inspired by or kind of similar to Zelda. It is a shocking, truly shameless rip off of it. In fact, Immortals is basically what would happen if a bunch of game developers played Breath of the Wild and then sat down to figure out how to make the exact same game but also fix the big and small flaws that are kind of annoying in that one. I got bored playing Breath of the Wild because it's just too big and empty.  Phoenix Rising takes all the very best ideas of Breath of the Wild and then adds them to a fun action game with a really cute little story.  And the combat is actually really great. I'm going to do a whole video on this one, but I figured I would hate this game. It's one of those ones I buy specifically because I think it'll piss me off and then I can make a fun ranting video about it. Instead, it ended up being one of my very favorite games of the year. The title is still terrible though. They should have called it like Emelda, Death of the Child or something. 9. Final Fantasy VII Remake $60 for the first third of a classic game. Remade in the style of Final Fantasy XV sounds like a recipe to annoy me.   The backtracking can get very annoying. The side quests are just weak. The game would have been better being either open world or like truly being reimagined as a level based linear game. Still a lot like Final Fantasy XV, it just kinda has something special about it. Memorable characters, a story that is exciting and touching and really really great world building. It seems like a million years ago that I played this game but that's more a reflection of this damn year than it is the game. If you missed it, it's really quite a little gem as long as you try not to think about the fact that they're gonna end up charging you 180 bucks for the remake of Final Fantasy VII when it's all said and done. If that doesn't make you too infuriated, then you know, you should buy it. If you like me never played the original, you'll get to find out what all the fuss was about. 8. Deep Rock Galactic A co-op shooter about drunken space dwarves mining rare metals and alien infested caverns, Deep Rock Galactic has more charm than any game I have ever played.  It's just a fun game. I mean, look at this guy dude, look at this little guy. How is that not fun? It's actually really tough to make a co-op game with classes and get the balance between difficulty, class utility, and progression right. The DRG really does thread the needle in a way that very few games do. Each of the four classes is simultaneously enormously helpful without being overpowered or strictly needed. You can complete all the missions without a digger, it just works way better when you bring one along. More than even that, the game is just so well thought out and designed. The missions are great. The FPS combat is surprisingly excellent and the progression and cosmetic grind feel perfectly balanced to give you like a minimum of 80 to 100 hours. And I mean, if this game ends up floating in your boat, this could give you like hundreds and hundreds of hours of play. Finally, I've never played a co-op game with a less toxic player base. In my nearly 200 hours with DRG, I encountered only one fuckface the whole time. That's astonishing. And I don't think it's an accident.  7. Neo 2.     Then there's the problem that the game looks all blurry and dark because it's on the PS4 and not the superior PC platform. You can choose 30 FPS and bleeding eyes or 60 FPS and crossed eyes from the hazy blurriness but either way it's not a great looking game man.  I mean, uh, amrita. So many problems with Neo 2 man. And yet it's one of the best games of the year. The combat in Neo 2 is great. Just great.  And while the game is indeed extremely hard, it's also deep and complex and satisfying in a way that makes it the most fluid and interesting of the souls like combat systems. Levels are way better designed than the first game. The new yokai powers and counters system add a whole new aspect to the combat with an extra layer of resource management and like parry timing. Of course it has the really great progression and skill tree that it's had.  The way it's laid out. It is just like eye cancer. Now I still wish there were less of the here's three bosses and 15 mobs in a closet. Try 22 times until you figure out exactly how to kill them levels. But overall if you like hard games and especially if you like the souls like the genre, Neo 2 is a can't miss title. It's one of the very best games of the genre and easily one of the best games of 2020. Six. Miles Morales. I just did a whole video on this one, so I'll keep this super short. Miles Morales is basically a perfect big budget third person action game. It is ridiculously amazing looking. The map is gorgeous. The animations are perfect. And the effects and lighting make it just look so good even on the base PS4 which is what I have. And it manages to do that without looking like it's running at 140p like Neo 2 does. Literally every single thing about Miles Morales is better than the already excellent original game. The main story and characters are great. Progression is perfect. Combat is sublime. Side missions are memorable. Even the damn collectibles are great because the simple act of swinging through the streets of Manhattan never gets old. The only reason it's this low is because the other games above it are so uniquely awesome. Five. Ori and the Will of the Wisps. Both Ori games are really interesting titles. They're both beautiful looking games that seem like they'll be simple and casual platformers but end up being pretty damn challenging and unforgiving. The boss fights and escape sequences require near perfection from the player because they have no checkpoints. This causes me to rage as I fail them. I have one boss failure in me before I start cursing usually and Ori's hardest sections routinely take like four or five attempts.  Ori is one of those games. This isn't the kind of design we expect in modern times and it shows that they had a cohesive vision for these games. The first Ori game was amazing because it managed to be sad and hopeful, difficult but accessible, simple but engaging. Will of the Wisps had some performance issues at launch but I've played it twice more since then and I appreciate this game more and more as time passes. Will of the Wisps takes several influences from Hollow Knight which I think is great. It adds melee combat, magic spells and a very similar rune system. Hollow Knight and Ori are basically the very best examples of Metroidvania games around. Together they've kind of created a whole new Metroidvania genre. We could call that genre Ori Knight games. Will of the Wisps is just as sad and beautiful and epic as the first game. Its graphics are simply stunning. It routinely makes you stop and just gawk at how gorgeous it is. And its gameplay is smoother, deeper and more intense than the first. Not only is this one of the best games of the year, it's one of the best games of the generation. If you never got around to this, I honestly think it's one of the very finest games around and any player will love it. Just don't let the colorful graphics fool you. This game, like the first, it isn't a kids game, man. It's a top-notch platformer that demands the player master its movement and combat to finish it. It's only like, I don't know, 15 to 20 hours? So please, play it before the crazy amount of great games coming in 2021 start releasing. It's free on Game Pass and Game Pass PC by the way.  You can like play it on the Xbox, get up, go play it on the PC, you're in the same spot. It's great. Pick it up. 4. Ghost of Tsushima I am not a huge fan of the modern Ubisoft style open world collectathon. The new AC games bore me to death and I find these games mostly annoying because you spend half your damn time walking from one end of the map to the other.  I should not be able to play a game and eat a damn sandwich at the same time. Still, every so often, one of them ends up being really good.  Ghost of Tsushima does a bunch of things really well. It is gorgeous. I know that's going to be a common refrain, but like we're getting to the point where graphics are really a big part of these games, but Ghost of Tsushima is really beautiful. It has a map that just is constantly a joy to look at and to traverse.  And it has a progression system that's actually impactful and exciting and makes sense and is well balanced and well paced. And while the story isn't some amazing masterpiece, it's got good characters, good acting, a fantastic setting, and competent if unspectacular writing. But the most important thing is that this game has a unique and fluid combat system that combines the best of a few different genres. It's like a perfect mixture of Batman, Devil May Cry, and the old Assassin Creed games. It's a game that requires a lot of inputs from the player, but it's not a button masher. And on hard, it's challenging enough to really require actual skill. And that's the main difference. Ghost of Tsushima is basically Assassin's Creed, but good, where EC's combat is simply bad. Ghost of Tsushima is actually great, even after dozens of hours I never got bored turning my horse toward a group of Mongols so I could cut them into pieces. I said in my Cyberpunk story video that that game would go down as one of the better examples of the Bethesda open world action game genre. Well, Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon Zero Dawn stand as the very best examples of the Ubisoft collect-a-thon genre because it feels like the gameplay loop in those games was designed before the map rather than the other way around. Ghost of Tsushima is a great game. It's not perfect, but it's as close to perfect as these types of games ever get. 3. The Last of Us 2 Somehow The Last of Us 2 was controversial. I have no idea how this was possibly the case.  It somehow got knocked for being violent and to quote a YouTuber I really really like being quote, baby's first morality tale, when its story is as thoughtful and considered as literally any game ever released. Yes, it is grim and violent, but so is no country for old men and most people think that's a pretty freaking great movie, right? I have an entire hour, I think it's more actually, video about this. And that video talks about how this isn't actually a simple morality tale about violence being bad, but rather an extremely complex look at vengeance, justice, and the real price of violence. The game doesn't say violence is bad, okay? It says violence is expensive. And that's an entirely different thing to say. Beyond that, the game is simply vastly superior in every way to the first game, which was already a masterpiece. It has large, meticulously crafted and detailed levels, a well-paced crafting and progression system, wonderful exploration, competent gunplay, simple but decent stealth, and most importantly, a diverse cast of characters that are morally complex. It shows that everyone is the hero of their own story, and right and wrong are often a matter of perspective. Nobody is wrong in this game, there's like really no villains, well I mean except for the cannibals and slavers and zombies, but the main characters and factions, everyone responds logically to the things that happen to them. And then things still just spiral out of control. And the story is not predictable. So many games and movies don't engage me because I know how they're gonna end within like 10 minutes. Hell, with some games, I know how they're gonna end after watching the trailer. The main thing to remember is that The Last of Us 2 is a work of art. There are like 3 games a year that have stories better than a He-Man cartoon. This is one of the rare games that's as good as any film you'll see. It's a must play, it's grim and depressing, but I'm depressed all the time anyway. So you know, I'm cool with a game coming down here to meet me where I'm at. Here's the link to my review of this game because I had a lot to say and I had a bunch of responses to the unhinged criticisms of what is objectively a masterpiece. 2. Ultra Kill Yeah, I know this is high, but whatever man, is my list.  I consider Ultra Kill one of the very best FPS games ever made. Here, look, this is my Steam review. It says, I now consider Ultra Kill one of the very best FPS games ever made. It's still only about halfway done, but it's already one of my favorite games ever. With amazing music, great level design, perfect enemies, perfect weapons, great bosses, and the best movement system ever designed in an FPS game, Ultra Kill is the total package. It's my second favorite game of the year and one of my very favorite games ever. Take Doom, add 2 cups of Titanfall 2, 1 teaspoon of Devil May Cry, and bake at 500 degrees for 5 hours and you get Ultra Kill. I still play the Endless mode every week or so. The best part is, it's worth like 50 bucks right now, but luckily for you, it's less than half that price. I got this for two friends for Christmas. I could have like donated money to cancer kids in their name, or sent them a really nice basket of crackers and sausages, or bought them both drugs, or gotten them a gift card to steak and shake, but I didn't.  It must be amazing because judging by advertisements I see on YouTube, it's one of the only games in existence. It's not only the greatest game on earth, it is literally a new religion for our broken world. Think about your garbage life right now. Look deep into the empty pit where your soul once lived before all your humanity was stripped away leaving only a quivering broken husk.  That's what life is like without Raid Shadow Legends. That ball of rage? It isn't a cumulative effect of a life of regret and frustration, it's actually a symptom of a lack of Raid Shadow Legends in your life. This is what life is like with Raid Shadow Legends. Paid for by Raid Shadow Legends. 1 Doom Eternal I think Doom Eternal's DLC might have taken the difficulty up just a bit too much.  I can't understand why you would make a boss that takes the game's greatest strength and breaks it. I don't want enemies that slow me down in Doom Eternal. It blows my mind that nobody realized that would be annoying. Still, I've played the DLC five times now because Eternal is the best shooter ever made. I love it so much. I actually thoroughly enjoy fighting two marauders at the same time now. Doom Eternal is basically perfect. I don't like the final boss fight or the DLC final boss.  And I don't like having to use the microwave beam to ghostbusters away these assholes. But other than those few things, I love every single thing about Doom Eternal and its DLC. The levels are perfect. Performance is perfect. Progression is perfect. The platforming is perfect. Movement is perfect. Graphics is perfect. Sound perfect. Music in the base game is better than perfect. It's freaking amazing. Music in the DLC is fine. It's fine. It's not that good. It's actually just kinda fine. Enemy design is perfect. This game is nearly perfect.  When I only have like two annoying quibbles. It's so good that I play it on Nightmare every few weeks, because when there's nothing else to play, I now play Dark Souls, Neo or Doom Eternal. You might even say that it's the Dark Souls of first person shooters. I was nervous that Doom Eternal wouldn't be as good as 2016.  It's too slow and boring now.   Call of Duty Cold War is fine, but compared to Doom Eternal, it's an embarrassing pile of garbage. I still like Destiny 2, of course, but that's a different thing. Destiny 2, like, doesn't do difficulty nearly as well as Doom Eternal does. In Destiny 2, you solo the dungeons by getting good at hiding behind rocks. In Doom Eternal, you dash twice, freeze three enemies, light four others on fire, and then saw one in half with a chainsaw before slinging yourself away with a shotgun grappling hook. It's that good. If you haven't played Eternal, you're crazy, man. I wish it had a better multiplayer mode or better yet a PvE multiplayer horde mode. But it's rare that a year features a game that's the best ever in its genre. 2,000 years from now, internet historians will discuss how the shooter genre was killed by Doom Eternal because nothing would ever feel good again, and instead, we all ended up just playing VR Tetris and Checkers with human skulls for pieces. 2000 may have been the worst piece to shit in history, but at least we got the greatest shooter ever made. And that's it, friends. The year has ended and a new one has already dawned and provided we have at least 10 more months before the inevitable extinction asteroid strike. I look forward to making more videos about all the games that disappoint me and the very few that don't. Alright, thanks for coming, and seriously, thanks for making this year better than the last one in at least one way. I got more new subscribers this year than I had in my first two, so if this keeps up for another 15 or 20 years, I'll be able to nearly pay for all the games I buy with the money I make by annoying you with shitty unskippable ads. I sincerely, sincerely hope you had a better year than me, and I hope we both have a better 21 than we did 20. Alright, I'll see you next time. Bye.


And finally, I can't tell you Falcons fans out there that you're listening to and maybe watching the show on AtlantaFalcons.com. I am beyond excited for today's guests and I don't wanna, I wanna get right into it, but today we have who I believe is the greatest running back in Falcons history. One of the best all time. If you guys know me, you know I love running backs and I put them right up there with the best. And I'm talking about Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett. Barry Sanders is in a special class, but I'll tell you what, William Andrews, former Atlanta Falcons player, career cut short and we'll get into all this. He got better every single year. Statistically, his runs, we'll put him up with anybody. William, I am so stoked. I don't wanna get going here, but I just wanna just convey how excited I am to finally have you on here and for different reasons over the last few years. We haven't been able to get you on, but you're on. Welcome to Bird Noises presented by Bose. How you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you man for having me. I really do appreciate it. Well, listen, you know, I wanna talk about your career here obviously. I wanna talk about, you know, your thoughts on, you know, some of the years that you were here, also just in the context of other great running backs, but you know, let's just start with two runs in particular because I think in anybody who has a phone or a computer can go to YouTube and watch these two runs. They both occurred in 1982. And I'm not sure, I'm hoping that you remember every single play in the play call here because I can't get enough of them. One was against, they came in two games within a three week span against the Denver Broncos and the San Francisco 49ers. And oddly enough, they were little swing passes. Yeah. One was to the left, one was to the right. Let's talk about that Broncos game because it ended up being an 86 yard reception, but it was all run. I mean, it was a pass to the flat.  Let's get to that play. The play was set up basically because it was a drop back pass, Steve had to drop back.  And to see, cause we always had a saying, save a sack, throw it to the back. So that's pretty much how Lynn and I were involved in all our plays. We check our linebackers cause we had to take our outside linebacker. And once they did that, then we were swing routes because we were secondary receivers based on what he was doing. If he couldn't see his primary guys downfield, he knew he could get at least five yards to five to six yards from us being in the backfield. Yeah, so you took, it was a quick hit to the flat to the left. And the defender who came up, was it Steve Wilson from the Broncos? Steve Wilson, yeah. He came up and it was within seconds, right? It was within, I think he was right there on you within five yards. Yep. Well, one of the things you got, I always remember with me, you had to wrap me up completely. And it couldn't just, it wasn't just one guy to do it. It's got to be more than one guy. And not bragging on myself, but that's just my prowess in what I used to do when I ran. Now what I did was I faked him to the left. Yeah. Faked him to the right. He didn't take either one of those. And then so the next move was to plow right through him. And I did so when I did that, I kind of knocked him down and it was clear sailing from right there. And then I got some help from downfield from junior middle and half of jinkers down that sideline. And so that made it go and so I had to score a touchdown that eight, six yard run then. Yeah. I'm watching the replay right now. I've watched it probably about 150 times, but it was actually to be more accurate. He Wilson came up. It was more like you had, I think you're about maybe five to seven yards downfield. And then you're right. You had an escort down there, but Tommy Jackson, the linebacker from the Broncos. Thomas Jackson, yeah. Hall of Famer, really, really good linebacker. In fact, he was middle linebacker when the play started. I think you guys were an eye formation. And he tried to chase you down in Dove at the end, but you were a big man with a lot of speed. I compare you to Earl Campbell. Earl Campbell was a big back, powerful back with tons and tons of speed. And I think you were right there with the same speed. You had very, very, I don't want to even say deceptive speed, but that play was just that's the one that gets you off your seat and watching that one. It's, I'm watching it again. You've got actually like three guys coming up on you. And one guy thought you were tackled and just kind of was flat footed. And then you turned on the afterburners. Well, I gotta tell you, I don't have, I didn't have blazing speed. I just had enough speed to get out of the way. And so as that play you can tell, guys were gaining on me. I did everything I could so they wouldn't catch me. So that's what you gotta always realize is not how much speed you guys, don't let them catch you. And the thing of it is you never look back because when you look back, people can catch you. Yeah. Well, a lot of guys now, they have the benefit of the jumbotrons, right? They're running, they're looking up and they're watching the whole field behind them. Sorry, that wasn't in our vocabulary back then. Unfortunately, that was in 82. That was the strike shorten season too. Yeah, it was, yeah. It was nine games. When you look at your career and we're gonna get to another run that season, but your output, you ran for 1,000 yards, 10-23, 13-08 in 1980, 13-01 in 81, then the strike shorten season, you had 5-73 in nine games. And then your best season, it was in 83, you ran for 1,567 yards. I'm not even talking about the reception. You had, a few of those years, you had seven, more than 700 yards, more than 600 yards receiving. And then of course, 84, you missed the season. We'll get into that. But you ended up coming back in 86 in plan, but we'll get into that too. But let's stay back on 82 because I believe it was a Monday night game. And I wanna say that only because it was Howard Cosell, Don Meredith and Fran Tarkin did not have the call. I'm pretty sure that was a Monday night game, which you guys, I don't think you guys were on a ton of Monday night games, were you? No, we were not. And that play, I don't know, do you remember that play before I explain it? A little swing back when Ronnie came up to hit me. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, running. That was a swing to the right this time. Yeah, yeah, you have to watch Ronnie a lot, right? Because, yeah, yeah, he did it. And one of the greatest catch that I played against, and I got it, there's a number of my good name that I played against, but he was talented as all get up. Now, I hit, you know, I learned from, that he was a running back in high school. Yeah, yeah, I believe that. Instead of being a defense back, so I can see his prowess to come up and hit people like that, but it just so happened, it was a quick little quick flair to the right, and I didn't have time to catch myself. So what I did is I balled into the tightest ball I could get it myself into. And so all he hit, all he could hit was just a solid shoulder and thigh, and then he bounced off and I bounced away from him and went up and about four or five other guys hit me in the middle right there. And then I kept going, and then the guy came from the back and grabbed my shoulders. You know, of course that had been collar, collar, and if it were today's world, but back then, it was no such thing. So, you know, every man for what he had and what he could have, and that's what it was. So, like I said, I can't, when I go back and look over the, what I used to do, I'm satisfied with some of the things that I've accomplished and all that kind of thing. So I can't be, I'm not sad about anything. I love playing the game, and I had a love for it. I didn't, it wasn't out there for money or anything like that, because I wasn't making that much, but I was enjoying myself because I had a good time. Yeah, I would, yeah, you had a, it was not as long as it should have been. We'll get into that, but on that play, to be fair to you, Ronnie Lott was like lined up on the line of scrimmage. Yeah. I'm watching the replay right now. As soon as you looked the ball in, I mean, in a split second, the minute you looked upfield, he was in your grill. Yeah.  Oh yeah, he does, but, you know, but I'm the repair guy. Yeah, well, he needed to repair after that. So, you know, I'm, look, I'm just watching the replay here. I'm just reliving it because I can't get, what a backfield too. It was you and I believe Gerald Riggs, right? Yeah, we had, when Lynn Kane was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Lynn Kane. Then Gerald came in the next couple of years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm watching, okay, so I'm gonna call the play up here. So, they almost jumped offside. Lebar Kowski, like literally just steps, snaps it, steps, throws it. Correct. I mean, it was like a two, three yard pass. Yep.  That's what I mean. I had, I got at no speed. So when I saw him out of the corner of my right eye, that's when I gathered myself and got into that ball and all he did was hit shoulder and die. That's all he could hit. Now I just paused it here. There are one, two, three, four. You are in a circle, a red circle of red 49er jerseys. All of them have their heads down, hitting you. It's almost like it was timed. They are hitting you at the same time. Yeah. Yeah.  And I listened to the audio. Howard Cosell, I don't know if it was Howard Cosell or Fran Tarkin, one of them jumped out of their seat in the booth on the call and cause they were stunned. And Howard Cosell said he called it the greatest, as good at evidence of power running in any game you'll ever see the late great Howard Cosell said there as you were coming back to the huddle. But man, if it wasn't, and you had that, you had Nascor too for that one. You had like five guys and somehow Eric Wright comes in between all of them and catches you. He comes from behind you. Yeah. Did you give some of your teammates a little crow for that? One of the guys left the door open. So that's what happened.   Well, I'm kind of mad. I'm kind of upset cause they didn't have it one of the greatest runs.  And you know, you gotta look at it. I understand, see, I was a true fullback. I was not a running back or a tailback. I was a true fullback and they don't have those anymore. Right? Yeah. I mean, there's, you can count on one hand how many teams actually have one on the roster. Correct. So the tailback and the fullback are completely different two positions because one's a two and I'm always in a three position. Yep. And the three position is directly behind the quarterback. So I had most of my most enjoyable time behind the quarterback because I could see everything that's going on. I knew it. I knew what every lineman did up front. I knew which way the quarterback gonna step out and do what he had to do and that kind of thing. Cause our job was to protect him on at any point, at any time. Well, I'll tell you what, then you may get even stronger, even stronger case to be in the hall of fame, William, because if you're saying that I'm a fullback, you show me a fullback that runs for 1300, 1500 yards every season and catches passes out of the backfield like a scat back, like a third down back. Right. And has the power of a tight end running. You were something that, you know, there were very few of in the NFL. I was a true all purpose that. Oh, for sure. Because I never came out. On third downs, I could run around just as good as the wide receivers. I could catch just as good as any of them in the whole nine yards. So they never brought me out when it came to that. The only way they brought me out, it was second half and we were so far ahead that they just sat me down and arrest me. That's the only time I came out. It's unbelievable.  I think the other ones called William Andrews runs over Ronnie Lott and they can watch them get the popcorn out and scream like I do.  I know you came back in 86, but what do you remember of that? And if you can go back to that, will you just describe what happened and if you want and just describe what must have been going through your mind and did you know it was as bad as it was gonna be? Well, I can go back and I look at what happened that day, you know, at the time I wasn't in training camp because we were discussing my contract increase in my pay and so that's the reason I wasn't in training camp like everybody else was to get started and the day that they signed me, I came in and start going through the drills and all like that. I was in the probably best shape I was in all my life at that time. And so I came out to practice and I've run this play a hundred times, man. And when I made a cut, I made a cut in one of the linebackers that I'd always played against. And I made a cut on him and when I made the cut and planted my left foot, everything with Haywire did. And so I felt it immediately that I had torn something really bad. I didn't know what it was, but at the time he caught me and laid me down. I said, just lay me down here. I said, I'm hurt, I'm hurt pretty bad. So he did and the trainers came over and ran over and grabbed me and took me inside. And they took, they looked at it in the leg. My knee was swelling. They said, boy, he did something. And so they took me downtown to Piedmont. And I tell you, I didn't know I was that popular when they stopped and they cut in on all soap operas. They stopped all the soap operas to announce that I got injured and I was on my way down to Piedmont. So when I got down there, there was a young doctor by the name of Eve Hunter. She's the one that examined me.  And they took that craze and saw what was going on. And I had damaged three of the four major ligaments. So she said it was like a little explosion in there. And I had torn all of the ligaments. The only thing that was left intact was the media, which was the inside ligament. That's the only thing I had left. Wow. And of course, back then, they didn't have the, they've come so far with arthroscopic surgery and reconstruction surgery. They just didn't have that back then. But you know, my hat's off to John Garrett. My hat's off to John Garrett and his staff and his team and what they did for me because John was out of town. And at the time, Eve Hunter was there to, not to administer the surgery, but she was there to do the diagnosis. And when he got back, they brought him on vacation. He came back and that afternoon they did surgery, he did surgery on me and he told me what I was up against and that kind of thing.  I said, well, you know, the thing I'm looking to do is if I can get in the yard and play with the kids, I'll be happy. I said, but if the ball is gone, it's gone, but I just want to be able to get in the yard and play with the kids. And that's it. And so the good Lord blessed me enough to have that aspect of my thinking to get me back up and going. Cause it took me about 23 months to get myself back. And that's a long time to be out and then trying to come back because you got younger players that's gonna be a lot faster and stronger and that kind of thing. But I went through the process of trying to return.    No, it happened before. Okay. After I had the surgery, after I had the surgery, they said, William, you blew three of the four major ligaments. And we had never seen a player come back off of something like that. So I would strongly think that you would want to consider retirement. I said, well, here's the thing. You know, I came in to win and I'm gonna leave a winner. So as I told them, I said, look, I would rather go out and try to see if I could as opposed to you just telling me just to walk away from it. So I did that. I did that. So I left no doubt in my mind because I know when I can do something and you know, of course, you know, when you can't do anything either. But I had to find out for myself whether I could or whether I couldn't. So came to the conclusion when they start moving me around on the offense and that kind of thing, I knew it was time because the coaches wasn't looking at it like I was looking at it for me to come back and see if I could play again. If not, you know, no need to play with it. And I don't need anybody playing politics with my injury or anything like that. So I told, I said, look, so let me, I said, let me get a hold of Mr. Smith. Let me go talk to him. And he and I have that conversation because that's the one that pays me. And so I would rather go to him in an honest to sit down and have a strong conversation with him. And when I suggested that the trainers Jerry, he said, well, my dad has a great idea. He said, why don't you go sit with Mr. Smith and see where you guys are? And I think that'd be the best thing for you. So I did that and Mr. Smith was actually happy that I came in and sit down and talk with him. And I said, you know, I've done everything I know to do for this organization. And y'all have been really great to me and I do appreciate everything you've done, I think, but I think it's time to hang my cleaks up.  So I said, well, Mr. Smith, I appreciate the opportunity you gave me to be a party organization. And so we left it at that. And that afternoon we announced that my retirement. And so he has to end the day just as happy as I can be and that I made the decision and not them. Well, you will go down as one of the great, certainly you're in the Falcons Atlanta Falcons Ring of Honor, you know, had that injury not occurred, you know, there's no question in my mind and probably in your mind that you would be the franchise's all-time leading rusher.  Right. Do you think that hurts you when it comes to the Hall of Fame conversation? Because you look at other running backs and I'm talking about tailbacks who are in the Hall of Fame.  Now, look, people might get on me for comparing you to Gail Sayers but Gail Sayers is a guy that comes to mind whose career was cut short like yours. Right, oh yeah. Who was a fantastic, unbelievable runner unlike anything we had ever seen. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. I'm not saying that you and Gail Sayers are the same kind of back, you're not. But when you just look at the length of your careers in the production of your careers, it's very similar and he's like, you know, no brainer into the Hall of Fame. I don't know, I just, do you ever think about that part of it? And then I just wanna ask you a question about Lanna Falcons in general in the Hall of Fame. I don't think about that because, you know, when I look at Gail Sayers, right, Gail Sayers was a guy that could stop on a dime and give you five cents change. Unbelievable. That's just the way he was. And when I look at Jim Brown, I look at Jim Brown, I look at OJ Simpson, I looked at all those guys and never played with OJ, never played with Gail. But I play, I mean, Jim Brown or Gail, but I played with OJ and he was probably one of the most prolific backs I've ever seen in my life. A lot of me, a lot of guys called me Jews just because I wore the number in college but I wouldn't know where you can get your caliber. But as I came into prominence in the Falcons organization when I was a rookie, I had the opportunity to meet OJ and I said, man, it's an honor to meet you. He said, no man, it's an honor to meet you. He said that you up and coming, man. I really like your style. So I get compliments like that from other guys even with my buddy that played at San Francisco I forget the running backs name that was at San Francisco at the time, Roger Craig. Roger and I had, Roger had similar styles of running like I do, high knee, low to the ground and that kind of thing. And so Roger and I had a chance to spend some time after we got out of the league.  He said, what are you talking about? Man, you are. I said, man, look, all I was trying to do was get out of the way. You said, they said, well, you did a good job. So, but I get, I get a kick out of talking to the old guys back in the day as to when we played. Now to our conversation concerning me being a tailback and the other running backs, right? Yeah. They can't compare me to anybody else other than a fullback. Okay. I talked to the guys that was here at the Black College Hall of Fame, I guess a couple of years ago. And I said, let me ask you a question. Why did you guys just looked over fullbacks? I said, the last fullback to ever go in the Hall of Fame was Larry Zonka. Okay. I was just going to ask you who you thought the best fullback was. That's who it was Larry Zonka. Number 39. Okay, so I'm saying, come on now. And you're going to compare us to running backs. I said, we were fullbacks, true fullbacks. So you got to have a category for fullback as opposed to lumping everybody in his running back. I said, because we don't do the same thing. And we don't. Larry Zonka. You know, Larry Zonka, great back. He played for the Giants and the Dolphins. Everyone knows that he was on that undefeated team, right?  He had one, two, three, three seasons he clipped a thousand yards. He played a long time. He played nine, 10, 11 years in the league. Was on some really, really good teams. And that, you know, that always helps your case, right? Oh yeah, no question about it. No question about it. Being in Atlanta, you know, in just, it's just tough. It's just tough, you know, because that's what I wanted to ask you too. You know, when you look at it, let's look at it on the merit though. Okay. Just from the merit standpoint, okay? Nothing else, right? Yep. I was a fullback. Fullback. I wasn't a running back. I wasn't a tailback. I was a fullback. Don't change categories when you have fullboats, fullbacks putting up numbers like tailbacks. Exactly. Don't do it that. That's the wrong way to do it. That's the case that needs to be made. I've argued with these guys. I said, look, I was a true fullback. I wasn't a tailback. I didn't line up seven yards. I said, let me ask you a question. Who gets to the line of scrimmage quicker than the tailback? The fullback, I'm only three and a half yards from the tailback. The tailback got seven yards to make his mind up. I only got one. So they give me a hard time about it. I said, but look, you got to admit, who got to make their mind up quickest? Yes. Fullback or the tailback? Yep. I said, you got seven yards of middle and P around down in the back of me. When I get the hand off, I got to make my mind up in two steps. Well, a lot of times too, in a lot of cases, the fullback is treated like a pulling guard or like a tight end and they're not getting. And I did it all. The touches, like the big tailback. I did it all. Not bragging on myself, but I did it all. No, you didn't do it all. I mean, I got evidence. I got evidence. Yes. And people need to go watch and look and compare. I need to make that. You know what, I'm going to do what I can. On the stage that I have. It's not maybe not the biggest stage, but I'm going to start making some noise for you. We've tried with Tommy Novus. We're going to keep trying with Tommy Novus. Well, we've got to get you in the hall of fame. I agree with you 100%. But there's other guys that I look at that should be there prior to me, right? You had Jeff Van Note, which plays the longest center in Falcon history.  Mike Hell is on in a number of years that he played there. And this guy still looks like he still can play. Not disagreeing with you at all. But the fact that the fact that the matter is they, we had some sports guys here in Atlanta that didn't like the organization of ranking Smith and the Falcon. And so Furmer Bishop is one of them that he didn't give us any kind of coverage or anything like that.  But the point I'm saying is, you can't go and let one guy take over the setup of what a team does because you got more than one player. You know, you can have one voice in the newspaper, but hell, we got 22 guys out there playing both on 11 on offense and 11 on defense. So you got to look at the merit of what these guys are doing, not just because you don't like the owner or the other team itself. You can't do that. That's a disservice to us because we out there giving everything we got, giving our hearts in terms of entertaining people. And the one thing you got to remember about me, I gave everything I could on the field. I left it out there. I didn't take any home. I left it on the field. And when I left, I left the game on my term and not everybody else's. I love that. No doubts. But you know, when I look at the Hall of Fame, you're in the ring of honor, deservedly so. Lana Falcons ring of honor. When I look at the Atlanta Falcons who are in the Hall of Fame, you're gonna see where I'm going with this.  Right. Most of those guys made their marks on other teams. Deion made an impact here. Right. Claude Humphrey made an impact here, but then he went to Philadelphia. Correct. It just feels like to me, when you talk about the players that you just mentioned who are not in the Hall of Fame, yourself included, Tommy Novus, Mr. Falcon, the first ever draft pick. Yeah, for sure. Who was on the cover of Life Magazine and Time Magazine and Sports Illustrated. Got Heisman votes coming out of Texas. Played on some bad teams. You played on, I believe, one winning team, right? You had a couple of teams that won seven games. 1980, yeah. Yeah, I wanna ask you about that team, but, yeah, great, great team. But it just looks, the optics of it, just don't look or don't mesh well with me. It doesn't add up with me either because I played with these guys and against some of the guys that you mentioned, right? Yep. The thing I wish is Mike Ken and Jeff Van Note. If I had to look at two players that was on the Falcons and also Tommy, because I didn't play with Tommy, but I played with Jeff Van Note and Mike Ken. Yep. These two guys right here are my heroes in terms of what they helped me do out there on the field because they protected me like nobody's business. When I was running, they said, look, just tell me what you want us to do and I'll do it. And that's what they did. So you gotta realize that as you play against guys, you get to know who they really are. And all of these guys that you mentioned, a perfect gentleman when it comes to what they can do and how they do it and what they do in all season and what they do in doing season. So I got mad respect for all of them and I'm just not bitter, but I'm disappointed in how the selections are done based on what they talk about Hall of Fame. Every one of those guys were Hall of Fame candidates. I can tell you that right now. You got guys that hadn't been in the league long and they all of a sudden, they in the hall, really? You gotta be kidding me. You haven't seen these guys. I said, number two is they don't work as hard as we used to. I mean, they get a hang there. They can sit out for a couple of games. We couldn't do that. I'll make a joke, but the fact that I'm not... No, I hear you. No, well-taken. I get it. The fact that the matter is you can step your toe, man. You won't stand for two weeks. I said, what's up with that? And you know what they did? They cut our shoe, man. So our big toe would stick out of the shoe and we still play, man. Come on now. These guys are getting 10 pairs of shoes. I said, come on, man, don't do that. Well, that's a great segue. Let's, you know, I want to ask you, let's play a little, this will kind of maybe evoke some stories, some thoughts, but also, you know, feel free to go where you want with this, but I just want to just say a word or phrase or a name. And all you have to do is just say the first thing, first thought that comes to your mind and we'll just keep going.  And I tried to think of some guys that played along the same time you did as well. But here we go. Are you ready? This is a bird noises hot seat here. Best team you ever played on? 1980. Yeah. We established that one. The hardest hitter you ever faced? That brand TELT. Oh, number 10 linebacker, the Jones. Oh God, that man, that was a stone. He was a stone, man. Let me tell you, this cat was a stone, man. True story. I had his jersey growing up. My dad was a Giants fan, made me wear it. This guy was a stone. He was stone, man. I've never hit anybody this hard. I've never tried.  I said, God, and I used to tell him. He played with some good linebackers, too. Harry Carson. Yeah, I used to tell Lynn. I said, Lynn, look, I can't move this guy. I said, so what I'm going to do, I'm going to try to position myself so you can make the best cut you can. I said, but this boy is stone. I can't move. You know what, you don't hear a lot of people talk about Brad Van Pelt, but he was good. Man, look, hey, look, you know, this is what I'm telling you, man. I played with some great ones. You hear me? And these guys were stone. This guy was a stone. He was like an anvil. You had to have some strength to move this cat. I was not expecting that. All right, that's cause biggest trash talker you ever came across. Biggest trash talker, Hollywood Henderson. Oh, number 56 for the Cowboys. Oh yeah. Yeah, I believe it. I believe it. Yeah. What's the funniest or weirdest thing he ever said to you? That you remember? Or that you just recall him talking about? Oh, that I wasn't going to gain three yards. Yeah. I said, really? I said, I'm going to gain three and I'm going to gain three on you.  No, no, but I knew what I was going to do. I didn't, I wasn't there to play with him. Yeah. But nevertheless, great guy though, great guy. Yeah, amazing story, right? Meet him in person, great cat. I mean, I like him. I don't turn his life around. Yeah, the thing against of my, but, you know, I think they do it because they're not sure themselves and what they're going to do that day, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.   Do you remember when he won the lottery? Yeah. Yeah. What did you think when he won? I was happy for him. Okay. I said, man, this song girl won the lottery. I said, you know, this cat, I played against this cat. And all of a sudden now he don't want to damn lie. I said, I mean, but that's just calmer though, you know what I mean? Yeah, he had some tough times. Yeah. But boy, was he good though? Yeah, he was. He was no question about it. And played at HBCU. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And then most of the guys, I gotta tell you this, most of the guys that I played against, some of the best guys I've ever played in in my life, went to HBCU. Now I went to a predominantly black, white college, right? But these guys went to black, and I'll tell you, they are some of the greatest cats that I remember in my whole NFL season. These guys were great. Deion Sanders head coach now, right? Yeah. And loving it, right? Loving it. I know Deion, the younger cat, but that's another trash talker too then. But he could back his up, because he had speed and he had some giddy up in his shoes, let me tell you. Yeah. He was good. He was... And I wish him well though. I wish him well though. Yeah, it's a great story. I hope he has success there. All right. Best player you ever shared the field with, either it could be on your team or someone you played against? Walter Pagan. Yeah, Sweetness. Yeah. Meanest or dirtiest player you ever played with or against? Conrad Dobler. Okay. Earl Campbell. Badest cat I've ever seen. Tony Dorsett. The smoothest I've ever seen. Walter Payton. Feel some. This cat was feel it. I mean, he was feel some. He really was. Barry Sanders. This guy, you know, Barry is one of the most unique cats I've ever had the opportunity to watch. This guy could run sideways faster and I could run up the field. That's a great description. And could get a yardage as he was running sideways. That's a god thing. That's the craziest thing I've ever seen. But what a bat. What a bat, man. You're not lying. Gerald Riggs. Gerald, power and speed for a big guy. All right, your QB won. Well, one of them anyway. Steve Barkowski. One of the finest quarterbacks I played with in all my career. I was looking at your stats and someone I work with. I didn't realize that I should have. Dave Archer. Dave. Probably one of the best cats that I know as far as just his mental attitude in terms of what he was going to do when he had to do it on a daily basis. Now for a really, really important question. What do you think of the name Bird Noises? I never heard of it before. But it's squawking real loud right now. I love it. Oh, I am so glad that you came on and we are going to start. We got to get you in the hall, man. And we got to get those other guys too. Well. But it's time. It's time. And it's just. You know, I got to tell you, though, man. The fullback argument, though. Well, here's the thing. And let me be blunt about this. And I don't care. I don't care who knows it or whatever. They've got young kids trying to say who should and who shouldn't. These young guys that are sports writers and all that kind of stuff, they've never seen the caliber of players we were when we were back in that day. So don't give me this about this guy coming out of college. He all world. He all is. Well, he hadn't been through anything. You get the guys that's been through some trenches and some mud holes and that kind of thing. And then you come talk to me. But right now, don't don't do that because these guys couldn't hold these these guys couldn't carry these guys. Jockstrap strap. The young guys that they couldn't carry these old guys. Jockstrap. I can say that right now. It couldn't.  And I can help. Man, look, I'm telling that guy, man, was so. I mean, he was like a pillar of stone. And I bet you I'm to your point, though. I bet you a lot of sports writers today. Not I don't know. I don't want to say that. But maybe some of the younger ones, they probably couldn't tell you a whole lot about Brad Van Pelt. No, they couldn't. But I can't. Oh, I'm just good. Yeah, yeah. Raising ourselves. We're aging ourselves a little bit. But but don't get me wrong. Yeah. The finest player that I could ever play against, because he kept me honest. OK, I couldn't just go out there, you know, have hazardous and try to do what I need to do with him.  And trust me, he was there all day to play all day. And most guys don't do that. They can't do it.  William Andrews, I am so glad you came on.  I hope when this pandemic is over, I get to meet you in person. Hey, well, I'm looking forward to that now, because I learned about the Squawk Box now, man. We in trouble. And I tell you what, if anybody knows where I can buy in Atlanta Falcons, throwback jersey with the red numerals, white jersey. I want a number 31. I want a bad. That's a bad man right there. You're a bad man. And thank you. You're a great man and a humble man. And it was it was it was my pleasure. Thanks for coming out and please let's do it again. No, no, I wish you would. I mean, I would love to be involved in what you guys are doing because I hear what you guys are doing pretty fabulous. And my hats off to Brinkley. Oh, Brinkley, yep. She's awesome for, you know, thinking of me to come on your show. And she is one great gal that we treat her like a sister because we always call her. And she said, OK, William, what do you need today? So but she's always been there for her and my buddy Winston out there. Kevin Winston. They do a good job for for the older guys. And I just can't my hats off to him. I just can't do no praise it because she's some kind of gal. And we love her. Yeah, Kevin Winston and Brinkley Fork. Yeah, they are two awesome people. They they are. Yeah, you know, I've been here. I got here in May of 2017. And I pass, you know, Kevin's office every day on the way out the door before pandemic. And I pass Brinkley's desk on the way to lunch. Every day. So you know, I was going to see him both. And two of my favorite people in Flowery Branch. No question about it. No question about it. No question about it. They they are some fabulous folk. And I just really I love being a part of them so that we can be a part of you guys. Yeah. And the good news from all this, too, is is that I I Brinkley won't have to hear me say, can I get William Andrews? Can I get William Andrews? Now I'm going to say, can I get him back? Yeah, I think I'm on speed that with her. Well, hey, man, I appreciate you. And I don't know if you read straight from the beak, but whenever I can bring up running backs and whenever I can bring up Falcons running backs, I I'm sure to plug you. I've had you in a couple centerpieces on the on the website. So, you know, if you ever see a picture on the site, you know, I'm probably grinning. Well, I do appreciate. And then also, I just like to mention hats off to all of the great ones that we've lost, Hank Aaron and Don Sutton and some other guys that we have lost in our midst because these guys were heroes of mine and a lot of other guys, even though we played different sports, but they still were heroes. And so my condolences to the families and that kind of thing. So if that's part of what I could do before I leave your show I would like to certainly mention that those passing and we really do just miss them and appreciate them.  Right. In Patriots games, I grew up in upstate New York and, you know, you guys weren't on TV a lot. But I do remember the 80s season. I remember the playoff game against the Cowboys. I remember a lot of those games. But you talk about Brad Van Pelt.  You talk about Don Sutton.  And it was Yankees Dodgers, if you remember, every year. It felt like or at least back to back years, right? Correct. And Don Sutton was, you know, the curly hair. Great. Oh, yeah. And then you talk about the King. Hank Aaron. Everybody knew, everybody knew the King. Hank Aaron, just like they knew Paley, right? Just like they knew, right? And it's awesome that you bring those up, those names up and it's sad that we've lost them.  And it's been great. And look forward to talking to you again and stay healthy and be well. I'm going to do my best.  You got it. I'm a grinder. You know it. I got you. Well, that's great. Thank you so much for having me on your show. I really do appreciate it. And anytime I can ever be of service, I'm right here. All right, William.  All right, man. Well, take care of yourself.