My name is Kendra and I'm really excited, first of all, that we're having this conservation series. There's lots of other great speakers coming up after this session as well. And I'm really excited to be here to tell you about the Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership as well as our local partner group, the Sheboygan River Basin Partnership. So I'm gonna be talking a little bit about both of those organizations. Before I get started, just by show of hands, anyone here ever heard of Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership? Oh good, a few of you, wonderful. How about the Sheboygan River Basin Partnership? Good, oh awesome. I'm glad to see more hands go up for that one because the Sheboygan River Basin Partnership is kind of our local group here. The Sheboygan River Basin Partnership has been caring for our waters within the Sheboygan River Basin for the past 20 years. The Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership is kind of an umbrella organization that helps to provide staffing resources for the Sheboygan River Basin Partnership and other partner groups as well. Moving forward, just so I avoid some tongue twisters here, Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership, we go by LNRP and a Sheboygan River Basin Partnership, SRBP. So if you hear me referring to that throughout the presentation, that's what I'm talking about here. So first I just wanna tell you a little bit about LNRP, the Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership. We are all about cultivating community. What we do is we build community, we enrich, we empower these organizations that are doing the on-the-grounds work in our communities. And so cultivating community and building stewardship as well. From the lodge to the Lakeshore, that basically defines our geographical area from which we operate. So we've got partner groups all along the coastline here, from our area here, and even down a little bit into Ozaki County, all the way up to Door County as well. So that's kind of our area that we operate in. And our partner groups are watershed-based. So you can see there, defined even more than county lines are those watershed lines. So that is the area of land where water flows. So we care for the land and water of these areas. At LNRP, our work is really structured around what we call the five Cs. This is core to everything that we do. Number one, what we do is build common ground. This is really what it's all about. And something that we really take pride in, that we're really good at, is bringing together really, sometimes very diverse stakeholders that really can often have even opposing viewpoints. Getting them to sit down at the table together, finding that common ground. What do we have in common? What is this all about? What are we doing this for? And what are our goals that we can work towards together? So that's something that we're really proud of and that we do really excel in. We also really focus on competency-based learning. So really creating these really meaningful watershed experiences that you are learning from something that really is meaningful to you in connecting you to your watershed. Also along with competency-based learning comes community-based learning. So identifying those opportunities in your very own community that connect you to the environment, to the land and water. So finding those really special places and really cultivating that sense of place. Where is that place here that is special to you that draws you to the outdoors, that makes you want to protect it and inspires you to inspire others to protect it? Cultivating stewardship. Again, this is a huge part of our mission statement. So we bring people together and we build that ownership over the environment. Again, we serve as an umbrella organization to different watershed partners and regional networks. And that helps us to, those are the groups that really do the boots on the ground kind of work and we really empower them to do that work. And I'll get into that a little bit more later. And also again, back to our mission statement, cultivating community is a huge part of that. So finding those key pieces in what is going to make that community come together over an issue. What makes that community tick? Who do we need to bring on board to accomplish our goals? And this is actually some of these photos you might recognize. This one here was one, this is at Maywood, a Friends of North Point meeting that we brought a lot of different stakeholders together. These are all of our partner groups. So again, we have partners all throughout the region and watershed partners as well as regional networks. And there are quite a few of them. And these are all the organizations that are doing the work on the ground. They're invested in their own communities. They know their communities and they know what needs to be done to make a difference there. What we do at Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership, we provide shared staffing resources. So a lot of these are all volunteer-based groups and they're doing really awesome work. But sometimes it gets to the point where they're like, man, you know, we just can't get over this hump. We don't know what to do next. Everybody's busy with their lives. We don't have the time. We don't have money for staff. Our umbrella network and that shared staffing resource, that helps them to get to the next level and to advance their goals and to empower them to really make a difference in their community. So we provide staffing, let's say, they need some help with grant writing or they need help with fiscal management or they need help with marketing, whatever it may be, we assist them so that they can advance their goals. And you will see the one that is near and dear to my heart. There's a Boykin River-based in partnership. I've been a staff member with Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership for a little over a year now, but I've been involved with Sheboygan River-based in partnership for a number of years as a board member and as president of the board for the last few years and on the board for five or six years prior to that. And as a lifelong resident in Sheboygan, our issues surrounding the Sheboygan River-based and are really important to me personally as well. So with that, I'm gonna tell you a little bit about the Sheboygan River-based in partnership. So again, this is just one of our partners, but since we're here in Sheboygan, I think this is where I'm gonna focus most of my attention on tonight. And the Sheboygan River-based in partnership, again, that cultivation of partnerships is really important to this organization as well. And they do that in order to raise public awareness, engage participation in stewardship, promote sound decision making, all regarding issues that affect the health of our water resources here in the Sheboygan River-based. I'm just gonna talk through a few of the really exciting things that we've got going on here in the Sheboygan area. The first one I wanna talk about is the Sheboygan River water trail. Excuse me for just one moment. Water is so very important. So this is a screenshot of a project that we've been working on in collaboration with Sheboygan County. And basically, I'm gonna get into this in further detail and actually show you a little bit of this site in just a moment. But what we're doing is we're creating this water trail, which is basically a recreation trail along the river. So it's going to highlight different access points and really make the river more accessible. Why this is so important to us. We're really invested in the future of the Sheboygan River. The Sheboygan River-based in partnership, as I mentioned, we've been caring for the river for the past 20 years. And our river has gone through a really long journey. It was designated as an AOC or Area of Concern. Raise your hand if you're familiar with when I say AOC or Area of Concern. Do we know kind of what that means? Maybe we've heard the term tossed around before. So an Area of Concern, that means that it was designated as one of the most polluted bodies of water along the Great Lakes. The Sheboygan River, you know, it's a really wonderful resource, but we haven't always treated it as that. So it's really gone through a long journey in its restoration. There've been many, many stakeholders and a lot of funding donated and devoted to cleaning up the river, as far as dredging, removing contaminants, habitat restoration. And now it's in this phase of recovery and healing. And it's really important that we remember all of this work that has gone into it and not just say, yeah, it's good to go now, it's all set. If we forget that, you know, it's easy to slip back into those old ways or neglect it again. So we want to make sure that we continue to care for the river and we continue to draw attention to it. And it's really cool actually, the Sheboygan River, the Sheboygan Area of Concern, all of this investment that's been made, it is paying off big time. And Sheboygan is one of those areas where you can really see that. I think we've seen a big difference in our downtown area and the waterfront, the riverfront. There's all this economic development, community revitalization going on. And that's a huge component of the result of the cleanup along the Sheboygan River. So it's really important to keep that in mind. And that's one of the big things that kind of drives the Sheboygan River based on partnership. We've been involved in the process. We're really proud to have been a key player in the cleanup of the Sheboygan River and we will continue to be involved in caring for it. After the presentation, if you would like to, I have a little trifold over here set up that really kind of tells our story of our involvement throughout this journey with the Sheboygan River area of concern. We've done a number of things. We've been involved in the Technical Advisory Committee during that restoration period. We've done river cleanups for several years. We've done paddles on the river just to get people exposed and appreciating and enjoying that. So we really continue to be really actively involved in that. This past year was really exciting to see the Sheboygan Square Business District had a River Days event. So they were really specifically celebrating the riverfront. What's going on here? What are the businesses? And they invited us to be a part of that. And we were really excited. We said, hey, if you're celebrating the river, we need to be there. So we were sharing that message. This picture is from that day. We kind of had some creepy crawlies, some of the really cool animals that live along the Sheboygan River. So we had some reptiles and amphibians and lots of just different information and interactive things for kids to get involved in. And it was really great to continue to share that message that, hey, these are the animals that call this river their home. It's really important for them. And it's critical to our own quality of life, our health and well-being and the well-being of our community. So that's the message that we really continue to share. And that is why we wanted to embark on this project of creating this river map. It's kind of a turning point in the river. So we wanna make sure that we continue to encourage people to use the river and to really cultivate that appreciation and understanding of the river. Again, this project is in collaboration with the Sheboygan County Planning and Conservation Department. This picture here is a photo of one of the outings that we did, a paddle in cooperation with Camp Waikota Outdoor Skills and Education. We got some people out on the river, kind of asked them to help us in building this inventory of, all right, let's say you just bought a kayak, you don't know what to do with it, you really wanna explore the river, but you're a little hesitant. What is some of that information that you need? And we kind of put together some of these things that you need to know, distance, what kind of parking is available, what restroom facilities, what kind of wildlife should you watch out for along the way, those sorts of things. And we're also going to be populating that map with lots of great photos. So for example, you wanna know what you're getting into before you get there. Again, looking at the example of the Metal Arc Trailhead, this picture would show you kind of what you're looking for as far as when you first pull up and you wanna park. And then if you're not really sure where you go to get into the river, this kind of shows you what that looks like, the actual entry point. So for each one of those locations, we'll have photos, we'll have some really great descriptions. So we're really working on developing that. And as a part of that, we're also going to have some physical signage along the river at some of these entry and exit locations. This is actually a photo of some existing signage. And this signage was done as a part of the Sheboygan River AOC Restoration Project. What we want to do is really align our signage with the existing signage. So that you can see, this is a part of that same kind of process. So it'll be kind of similar. It'll have a map, it'll have some interesting information and highlights about the area. And we are hoping to launch that this summer. So keep on lookout for that. We're really excited. We're going to be having some paddle events with some kayaks and canoes available, some guided tours, highlighting this and celebrating the launch of it. And kind of a ribbon cutting and grand opening ceremony as well. So this is just one of our projects that we're really excited about. We think the timing is critical. We think it's a good time to really engage people in recreation on the river. So anyone have any questions so far just about this one project? And feel free to jump in at any time if you've got a question or something you want to share. Yes. Do you feel that Sheboygan River has some deal with the pine rivers and the county? Yes. Yep, we do. All of them? Mm-hmm, yep. Yep, yep. So we have a watershed-based approach. So all of those waters eventually drain into, some of them drain into the Sheboygan River and eventually into Lake Michigan or some of them drain directly into Lake Michigan as well. So we definitely do have, we care for, sometimes a lot of our efforts are focused specifically on Sheboygan River but we do also have involvement in those other tributaries as well. There was a kid when we swam, it was, there was no sea weed growing in between the jetties and now you can already see the bottom of the jetties. Yeah. And I don't know who's polluting and is that bad? And do you have any, who takes care of that? Absolutely, so Lake Michigan is definitely a really important resource for all of us. So our approach to caring for the entire watershed, what we do to these rivers, that all eventually ends up in Lake Michigan, what we do to the land within the watershed. The water flows across that, that all ends up in Lake Michigan. So it's definitely from a lot of different sources and we look at how can we have an impact on those sources. Lake Michigan has gone through a lot, a lot of changes and we're doing everything that we can to really ensure that it is cared for. I was lucky enough to actually this past week, I went to Washington DC to advocate for funding through the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative and meet with our legislators and just tell them how important this is to continue having this really federal funding dedicated to caring for our lakes and the rivers that flow into them. And it was really an awesome event because there was really great representation from the state of Wisconsin. So not only what we're doing here in Sheboygan, but all throughout the state. There was great representation from all of the states around the Great Lakes, Illinois, New York, everywhere. It was really cool to see all these different people coming together. We even got to participate in a reception with the Canadian Embassy. So it was really cool to see this is, our Great Lakes are really, it's not just one person's responsibility, it's all of us that are responsible for caring for that, I mean, it's really a national treasure. It's really, or an international, I should say. So really important, great question. In 1982, we were at a meeting in Door Company and they were worried about the polluting of the Anipi River. And they were talking about the farmers not watching the fertilizer and it all runs into the water. And we were just up in Q&A, and I was at Algoma and they had another meeting. This was about, since 1982, that was just last year. And they still were having the same problem. So nothing has been moving. We just had to watch how they do it. I don't know if you know what they think about. Yeah, you know, unfortunately, these issues, they can be slow moving, but our goal is to really bring, that's when it gets down to those partnerships. People often operate in silos. Oh, it's their fault or it's their fault or it's a finger pointing or disagreeing on things. Our goal is to really, again, find that common ground, bring people together so that we can really work to find these solutions and to find them in a timely manner so that we can effectively make some change. Yes. We have a really diverse source of funding. We do, and it depends on if you're looking at the Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership or our partner groups as well. They all kind of have a variety of funding sources. We do engage in a lot of grant projects. So we do get a lot of grant funding. We also have individual supporters, corporate supporters, foundations. So we really have a really diverse funding portfolio. Always. You know, that's all. I know it's always been there, but is it going to get worse or are we going to have to fight more for the funding or? You know, I think that's something that, one of the great things, you know, I mentioned that here in Sheboygan, we're able to see the economic development. What we look for, and I think a lot of, it's really a benefit that we're able to see what we call this triple bottom line. So for me, I think the environment is important. I love it just because, you know, in its own right. We should do it because it's the right thing to do. But it's also really showing that it's not only about the environment, but it's about our economy. It's about the social impact. So when I say triple bottom line, that's the environmental, economic, and social impact. And that's all coming together. And it's really showing that, hey, we're doing this because it's the right thing, but also because it's having this amazing impact on our communities. And that's something that, so federal funding through the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative, they've begun really taking, getting a really close look at that and looking at that economic impact. And every dollar invested in our Great Lakes comes back as $3. So it's really has a great impact on our communities and economic impact as well. And Sheboygan is one of those areas where it can be really dramatically seen in our community. It's kind of one of the case studies that is making a big difference. So I think that'll really help us moving forward. It's not just a feel good thing, it really is, it has great benefits all around. All right, I'm gonna talk a little bit more about some of the other exciting stuff we've got going on. Has anyone heard of roots yet? Restoration of our trees, Sheboygan. Ah, great. So this is a program we're really excited about. It's a partnership between Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership and the Sheboygan Rotary Club. And this program is dedicated to mitigating the impact of the Emerald Ash Borer here in Sheboygan County and doing so through a public-private collaboration. Raise your hand if you're familiar with the Emerald Ash Borer.  I'm gonna pass around. I've got some samples here, some specimens I should say, in case you haven't had the pleasure of seeing this critter up close. I've got an example of the adult as well as the larvae. So I'll go ahead and pass those around if you wanna take a look. And I also have some bark samples here. This one is of the damage that the larvae causes beneath the bark and how it damages the tree. And this is what you're looking for as the adult emerges from the tree, this D-shaped exit hole. So I'll pass those around, just for you to take a look while I'm talking here. And I'll tell you a little bit more about this program that we're embarking on. So again, about the Emerald Ash Borer. I'll kind of be brief since you're all familiar with it, but it is a non-native invasive insect that is really just bringing devastation throughout the Midwest, throughout Wisconsin. And what it does is it attacks, it bores into ash trees. All of our ash trees are susceptible and it disrupts the tree's ability to transport water and nutrients and kills the trees. It's very aggressive and it affects trees very rapidly. So the Emerald Ash Borer, oh, I'm just gonna back up a second. It was first found in the United States in 2002 in Michigan. And it was first found in Wisconsin in 2008 in Ozaki County here. And in the past 10 years, it has really exploded. It's really very aggressive, traveling very quickly and causing devastation in its path. The reason it's a problem here in Sheboygan is we have a really, a large percentage of ash trees. They're native to Wisconsin, so in our woodlands, we've got a large composition and we also have a lot of them making up our street trees as well as in our public trees. Again, I mentioned it's really aggressive, spreads quickly. Once trees are infested, they die very quickly within two or four years, if not sooner. And they create, these dying trees create additional ecological problems because these tree stands create space for invasive plants to move in like frag mites, which I'll be talking a little bit about as well. So it's definitely a huge problem here in Sheboygan and throughout the Midwest. And we're trying to build some support to help this. So just to kind of give you an idea of how dramatic of an effect this can have, here's a beautiful tree line street lined with ash trees. This example is from Ohio, 2006. Just a few short years later, three years later. That's how quickly this can take effect. So they look just great, perfectly fine, beautiful. Three years later, boom. Absolutely devastating. Anyone remember the Dutch Elm disease? Not a pleasant thing, really just a tragedy. This is right up there along the same scope. That's what's happening now. So it's something that, there's nothing we can really do to stop this, but we can take proactive approach to help prevent it from being as detrimental to our community as we can. Another example, this is one from Wisconsin, 2009 and a few years later, 2013. So that's more of a natural area whereas the other one was a tree line street. But really dramatic effects here just because those ash trees make up such a big portion. We all know trees are so important. And here this again gets to the dollar value. I can say I love trees just because they're beautiful and they're great and they're wonderful, but we literally can put a dollar on it. They have a value. They lead to savings for homeowners with reduced heating and cooling costs. They raise our property values. Studies have shown that people spend more in shopping districts that have tree line streets. So it's really important that we replant some of these trees that we're going to be losing and really be aware that this is an investment in our quality of life. Again, to show you that value, I think this is kind of a cool website here, but that statistic that it showed there as far as the value of a shaboy against trees being over 1.3 million. And each of those trees having a value of $205 approximately. That's based on a county-wide inventory that was done in 2009 and 2010. So that information, and that was just looking at public trees. So trees along the streets and in some parks, not even looking at some of those natural spaces that are really filled with these and not looking at the trees in your backyard as well. But so just based on the problem that our public utilities have to deal with as far as the city of Shaboy and the county of Shaboy and all of our cities and villages in Shaboy County and townships. This is really an overwhelming problem that they need to deal with that they're not really prepared for. This is kind of a useful tool. This is just kind of a really interesting thing. You can actually put a dollar value on that tree. So for you, you like looking at the tree, it's there, but it also is providing all of these great benefits. So it's an estimate that 20 inch green ash in front of your home is providing $197 in value per year. It breaks it down into its contribution to property value, how much stormwater infiltration it's helping with, the air quality, and it's really kind of a cool resource. So this is the National Tree Benefit Calculator. It also tells you if this tree is cared for and continues to grow to 25 inches, it'll provide $250 in annual benefits. So it's kind of a useful tool that I just want to share with you in case anyone's really interested in like, oh, hey, I've got one in my front yard. I want to know what that value is. As I mentioned, this inventory, it was not a complete inventory. It was just public trees in Shaboy and County. So not counting all in our backyards. And again, it was 10 years old. So that estimate, that value, those trees have grown larger in the meantime. So we're really losing more than that per tree. And so our goal is to really help with this. As they say, unfortunately, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. But what we want to do is make sure that as these trees come down, that we are replanting and really helping to make a difference here. And the good news is we can be part of the solution. This is a picture of these students here. They're from Grant Elementary School. They're part of what's called Great Lakes Gang. The Great Lakes Gang, it's an environmental club. They participated in the Arbor Day celebration two years ago, planting some trees at Maywood. And they even got an opportunity to climb some of their older maples in the maple forest there. So it's really cool to see that we can be a part of the solution proactively planting more trees so that we can continue to experience the benefits of trees. A little bit more about our approach. So this Roots program, again, it was a partnership between, or it is a growing partnership, between LNRP and the Sheboygan Roarie Club. And really it grew out of the initiative of, there was an international initiative for each Rotarian worldwide to plant one tree. And the folks with our local Rotary Club, they engaged with the city of Sheboygan to be able to see, how can we contribute these trees to the city of Sheboygan? And that's when they really found out about this problem that the city was going through. And not only the city of Sheboygan, but the surrounding cities, villages and townships. Really realized that, hey, this is something that they weren't prepared for. These trees, as they die, they put with safety hazards. We're losing the value of trees. It's really not in the budget to replace these trees. So what we're doing here, we've got a three pillar approach here. The first is targeted at implementation. Roots is building an investment fund. So we are looking to our community to support this. Say, hey, those trees are important to all of us. And I can donate some money to this investment fund. So individuals, businesses that are in a position to provide some funding to build this investment fund, to build a pool. And then from there, what we will do is provide grants to the local municipalities, the cities, villages and townships. If they say, all right, we know we have a problem here. We have to take down all these trees. We don't have the capacity to do it. We need some extra funding for removal. We need some extra funding for replanting. Here's our plan. We have a good plan in place. We have deliverables. We can measure the impact that we're going to have. And they would apply for funding from this investment fund. So that's what we're putting together is these funds that are available to provide to supplement the resources of the municipalities. The other part of this is, oops, the planning. So some of the municipalities, they know they've got a problem. They kind of have an idea of how they want to solve it. Others are like, man, we really haven't even thought about that yet. We're really, we don't even have a forestry department. We don't know where to start. So what we're doing with those is we are working to help them put together response plans and recovery plans to deal with the problem. And we've received funding from the DNR in the form of an urban forestry grant to work with some of these municipalities to develop the plan so that they can move forward and address the problem in a safe and responsible way and looking to the future. And also, keep doing that. Community engagement is always a really important part. There are a lot of people, individual landowners and homeowners that don't know what's going on with this problem. They don't know why all these trees are coming down. They don't know how to begin to understand what they need to do with their own trees. So we're really working to provide some outreach and education to help increase understanding in our community. What's really cool is we have been working with Lakeland University to engage the students there. The biology department has a plant science course where the students are doing kind of a feasibility study right on campus. They're treating the Lakeland University campus as kind of a small municipality, maybe a township, a little small town, and they're going through and doing an inventory. The first step to creating a plan is taking an inventory. What do you have? What state are those trees in? Are they already dying? Are they dead? Which ones are really important to remove first that are safety hazards? Where are there places available that there's potential for planting trees? And what trees might we be able to plant in those areas? So they're currently going through this study on campus and that will really set the tone for how we're going to move forward in our townships here to start planning this process. So we're really excited about this program and we need your help, of course. So ways that you can help are by providing financial support if you're able to spreading the word about this program so that we can get the word out there. I do have some slides available with additional information. If you're interested in donating your time, as we move forward, we'll definitely need lots of volunteers to help with inventory collection, monitoring and planting. And of course, when it comes to your own property, continuing to plant diverse, native and non-ash species of trees. And with your help, we can lessen the impact and protect our beautiful woodlands and tree-lined streets for generations to come. So it really is a community effort that we're working on building this collaboration so that we can all kind of work together to maintain that quality of life again. Any questions about the Roots program? It's a really great partnership and we're really excited about it. Again, it's a part of bringing all those diverse stakeholders to the table and working together to make a difference here in our community. Yes, so far it's really an ongoing moving target so I couldn't give you specifically how many have been taken down, but it's definitely. And I guess the number that have been taken down isn't accurate. Some of them are being taken down really proactively so that they can't cause further damage, but they do make up a large percentage of our trees, of our public trees and then an even greater percentage. So I believe back to that slide I had, it was 23% is what they found from that initial inventory. Again, that was not a real thorough that in fact that was just looking at just public trees. It varies from community to community. In the town of Sheboygan they have a really large percentage of ash trees in their township. They're over 70% composition of ash trees. So as far as how many are currently still standing or taken down, that I know that they've been really active this winter and trying to be proactive and taking some of them down before it becomes a really big problem or a safety hazard. Sheboygan colony, as you say, has done the most as far as in and growing and planting new trees. As far as planting new trees, that's a really good question. I don't know. I think that the larger cities, the city of Sheboygan, the city of Plymouth, the city of Sheboygan Falls, they definitely have more capacity. They have a larger budget to work with. They have some staff on hand that are dedicated to that. So they have more of a clear plan. And the city of Sheboygan has a planting plan in place. So those areas definitely have done more as far as removal and planting. They're just more in a better position to be more forward thinking. Some of the other communities really just don't have the capacity, don't have the capability to look at that. And they've never been in this position, none of them have ever been in this position to have to deal with this many replacement trees at one time. So that's why this comes into play, that we need to step in and provide them some support. That's a really good question. So I guess if we look back at, when I say grants, I'm more referring to the money that we're getting from. Primarily would be federal sources. So there's a lot of money set aside since this is definitely a threat to the environment. The Department of Natural Resources has some money set aside. There's federal funding as well. So when I say that we're applying for grant funding, that's kind of what I'm referring to. And that would be for this planning component as far as where businesses and corporations and foundations come into play. That would be where we're looking to provide money for the implementation. Yeah, thank you. So I wanna talk a little bit more about different type of invasive species looking at plants. So we've got some lots of ongoing programs involving invasive species. And I'm gonna kind of breeze through this a little bit because there is definitely, this could be a whole nother presentation. And we are holding actually several presentations coming up for those of you who are interested in this or that it might be a personal concern to you if you have any of these plants on your personal property. So we have several different invasive species management programs going on and lots of different stakeholders involved in these. One of the big invasive species of plants that we're looking at that is really detrimental to our ecosystems here is phragmites. There is a native phragmites, but the majority of what you see is this non-native phragmites. And you can recognize it. It's a very tall plant. It's in very dense stands. Nothing else can grow there.  They're not a part of the natural ecosystems so they can out-compete natural plants and they really choke out any other plant life and they're really of no value to animal life here either. And in this case, phragmites can cause lots of other problems as well. It can be a fire hazard. It can be a visual obstruction on roadways and really just a huge nuisance. So this is one of the ones I'm gonna be talking a little bit about. And then Japanese knotweed is another, that is. Both of these are really aggressive, really tall, dense, and difficult to get rid of. So one of our project areas, again, lots of different stakeholders involved in this that have been working on this is the Pigeon River Estuary. So this is a really incredibly valuable ecosystem. And right in here where the Pigeon River meets, where the mouth of the Pigeon River meets Lake Michigan, all of this orange area here, that's phragmite stands. So there's really just a huge patch of it. So this project has made some really great progress. They've been doing treatments. There was just some signage installed here along the Pigeon River so that people know, again, education is really important so people can see what's going on there. And the really important thing about dealing with these invasive species is follow-up. So not just going in and treating it once, but following up the year after, following up making sure that it really is under control and that then following up with planting of native species as well. So this is one example of one of the areas of focus that's going really well. We also have our county-wide phragmites initiative. This is another one of those projects that's broken down into phases. So if we look at phase one, we're starting with the east and working to the west, just based on where there is the heaviest population. So it's a little hard to see here, but any of those little orange dots, there's a really kind of heavy here. Those orange dots are the areas where phragmites has been located. And for this project, we actually had interns that we employed to drive every single road in the county. And they did visual, they saw this from driving the routes, identified it, mapped it. And this is an ongoing project. And this Sheboygan County initiative is modeled after a similar one in Manitowoc. One of the cool things about Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership and this regional approach that we have, we don't have to reinvent the wheel every time. When we find a project or an approach that works, we can often replicate that model elsewhere. So this has been going on in Manitowoc for a number of years and we're just really beginning to implement it here in Sheboygan. Right now the key to this is getting landowner engagement. We need to have permission to be able to come onto their property and treat their phragmites populations. The cool part is we have received grant funding to do so. So we are going out and free of charge to the landowners treating their phragmites stance on private land, on business-owned land. So it's really important that we have this county-wide approach and this regional approach because if it's treated on one land but not on their neighbors, it's just gonna continue to spread. So to be effective, we really have to have a really aggressive, all at once coordinated approach and that's what we've got going on here and those partnerships are really crucial. So we treat it with, it's a very aquatic-approved roundup type solution. And we work with StandTech and they're really a great company to be partnered with and really mindful that they're really well-qualified, really mindful of their chemical applications. So, and we really work really closely with the landowners as well. So as I mentioned, we have some open houses that we're putting on the calendar. In June, we'll be having some more engagement with the landowners. Those that we have found that we've identified on their property will be sending out personal invitations to them to attend this workshop, to learn more, to learn more about the treatment, about the follow-up steps and all of that as well. We also have, so again, all of these projects are kind of similar but they all have kind of separate components, separate unique characteristics, different funding sources. This one is based specifically on bluff shorelines. So right along the shoreline, and that's definitely a really unique area that has different components involved in treating and caring for that unique habitat, but kind of a similar approach. And then also looking at Japanese knotweed. And so this is a little more, not quite as scattered. It's really kind of got some kind of contained areas at the moment, so that's why it's really important that we get those taken care of right away. Some of them are larger than others. But that's again, looking at public and private properties and really working on getting those under control. Again, long-term management is really important. It's not effective to just treat it and then walk away. It's really important to follow up, to ensure that there is funding for that as well, and to ensure that there's a plan in place for that follow-up. And that's something that, again, it's a really great benefit that we have all of these local groups that are able to make sure that once a project's done, we still are invested in that community, we still follow through and make sure that we are in it for the long run. So that is just a really brief clip about our invasive species projects. If you would like more information, I do have brochures about that available. And I actually also have my map along. We use iPads in the field for collecting the data. So if you think that you might have some in your property, I could take a look to see if we've got it mapped out and kind of what the status is there. And definitely do be on the lookout for those landowner workshops that we have coming up. Did anyone have any? I know I went through that kind of quickly. Anyone have any questions specifically about the invasive species management programs? Yes. We used to have elm trees on a superior and it looked like the picture you had there. And it seemed to me when we had the elm tree disease, it was down south for it. And after we had it in Cheboygan, it was up in Dore County. And it seemed like this here, other trees that you have now, it seems to be moving all north. I think when it's down south somewhere, if we don't care because it isn't in our place, maybe there should be something with the government watching that stuff already when it starts way down south. I don't know if I'm right or wrong on that, but it seems that it starts down south. It seemed like a herrington beach had it before we had it in Cheboygan. I might be wrong on that too. Right, and so each species is different, but when we do have these invasive, whether it's an invasive species or whether it's a disease that is coming through, it definitely, you know, it spuds. And sometimes you can, you're right. Sometimes you can see that pattern that it's coming. And I think for some people, it's maybe it's not realistic when it's not in your community yet. And I think we've seen that with the emerald ash borer, with Frigmites, you know, it's kind of like, yeah, it's a problem, but it's not our problem. So it really is important to be aware of that and to be proactive when we can. So I have one more project that I want to highlight. This one's really exciting and a really uplifting one. I think after some of the invasive species is always kind of a doom and gloom type thing. We're, you know, we're doing what we can to be, again, to be proactive, to manage, to get it under control, but I want to focus on something that I think is really positive and really remarkable actually that's going on here in our community. And that is our beach cleanups. So several of our different watershed groups with Lakeshore Natural Resource Partnership have beach cleanups. You know, we've all got this precious resource. It's really important to care for it. So the Sheboygan River Basin Partnership, they have participated in an annual beach cleanup for a number of years. But what's really exciting is in the last couple of years, it's really, this initiative has really transformed. I had led these cleanups for a long time. You know, no matter how aggressively we tried to market them and get people there, you know, you'd get a few volunteers and it would be a good invention. You'd feel good about it. But recently we have these neighborhood groups that have really taken this on and taken it to the next level. And it is so incredible because they have this really great pride in their neighborhood. They're lucky enough to live right by the lake. So they get their neighbors really excited and involved in this. And they also, that enthusiasm and that pride spreads throughout the community as well. So they bring other people in and say, hey, help us clean up this beach. That's not only our resource, but everyone's resource. So it's been really exciting in the past couple of years. Started with the Friends of North Point. And so that began as a friends group that is partnering with the Sheboygan River Basin Partnership and they're also building a neighborhood. They have built a neighborhood association as well. The North Point and Valruth Neighborhood Association. So those groups are kind of linked. The Friends of Peace Park Sheboygan as well as the King Park Neighborhood Association. So each of these has kind of their own, not their beach, but that they feel a sense of place, a connection to a sense of ownership over. And that has made all the difference. We've had some really great participation. And it's really something that they can be proud of. So I'm really excited to report on this. So they clean up at the North Point, Land Park, and then on the South Side of Sheboygan, General King Park Beach. It's really exciting. So not only seeing these neighborhood groups participating, but it's been really well received by the community with some really great support as well. So I've got a picture there of some officers that participate in the cleanups. It's really cool to see them participating. The Department of Public Works is a really strong supporter, helps us as well. And then we've got some local partners as well that different volunteers that have participated in our 2018 cleanups too. So in 2018, let's see. So we used to have an annual fall, annual September Adopt-A-Beach cleanup. We now have that in those three locations. And in addition to the fall cleanup, we also do a spring cleanup. So in 2018, those three places and the spring and fall combined, we had over 100 volunteers and they picked up over 290 pounds of garbage along the beach. Really incredible. But the thing is that may sound like, may sound like a lot of garbage to you, may not. It really can't be quantified in weight, I don't think, because a lot of what we find is tiny little things that don't weigh a lot, but can cause huge, huge problems.  All this little stuff doesn't weigh much, but it's really problematic. Those are some of the most common items collected. So we really have cleaned up a lot and made a huge difference on our beaches and continue to each year. Another cool part of the beach cleanups are we are acting locally and thinking globally. And it literally is having a global impact. So we have these really localized areas, but they're also a part of larger initiatives. The Alliance for the Great Lakes organizes a regional effort every year. And in 2018, regionally around the Great Lakes, they had a total of 15,000 volunteers and cleaned up over 36,000 pounds of litter. They also coordinate the collection of data. So we're not just picking up garbage, we're actually tallying what we find and how many of each item we find so that they can understand what the problem is. If you're finding some patterns here along specific beaches or maybe throughout the region, what is, what's causing that problem? Is there a lack of education and information? Is there not enough strategically placed garbage bins or things like that so they can really understand, is there a product that we can change and advocate for a solution? So they're keeping track of that so that they can find solutions to these problems. And not only is it a part of this regional network, but it's also a part of the international coastal cleanup. So if you look at it that way, you've got millions of people cleaning shorelines worldwide. So it's really kind of cool to know we're making a difference here and we're a part of something bigger. I wanna invite you to join us on the beach. Our spring cleanup is scheduled for May 4th. You can sign up through the Alliance for the Great Lakes on their website here at GreatLakesAdopt.org or by emailing me at Kendra at LNRP.org. I'm gonna leave you with a really lovely picture and a quote, if there's magic on this planet, it is contained in the water. We truly are dedicated to caring for our water. And I hope that I'm really glad that you were here tonight to hear a little bit about what we've got going on. These are just a few of our projects that we've got going on in this area. We've got a lot more throughout the region. And I hope that you'll continue, consider volunteering or supporting us financially or finding a way to get involved and connect with the environment on your own. So if anyone has any more questions, I'm happy to answer them. And then I also have some materials here if you're interested in taking a look. Yes. The clean up is May 4th. Yep, yep. May 4th. And again, we have locations so you can volunteer whichever location is more convenient for you either at the North Point to Land Park or General King Park Beach. In the spring of the year, they would run up the river and spawn. Do you think that the rivers were so polluted that it cut it up? Do you have any idea? Do you ever hear anything about it? And what they thought, why we don't have to melt? And ship, this is out of your mind. I'm not really sure in particular, as far as that goes, but I do know, so I should mention that we're definitely, the Shibuya Nero Basin Partnership is a really project oriented group. And we're really, we've done a lot of habitat restoration projects. I want to mention briefly, and we've got some information about it, along with our story with the Shibuya River, Willow Creek is one of the tributaries that we've been really involved in that's been a priority of ours since 2005. And we've, it's just a really unique area. And that is one area that it's a cold water tributary. And it's a really unique spawning environment for some of the cold water trout and other species there. So that's something that we've had some really successful projects on. And that's something, I believe next week, Rose will be here talking about with the Glitch Lakes Conservancy and she'll be talking a lot about the Willow Creek Preserve and some really other really exciting stuff going on there too. Is it something that's come out here and then Lake Erie will end up and they won't have any either? Yeah, I don't know about Smelton in particular. I do know, you know, definitely everything that we do has an impact, whether it's intended or unintended and the Great Lakes ecosystem has gone through a lot of changes. I mean, it's dramatically different than it used to be. Thank you. Yes. There's a wonderful book, The Death and Life in the Lakes and it's written by Dan Egan. Yes. And it addresses all about Smelton, about ale lives and it is a phenomenal book. I encourage you to get it. The gentleman who wrote it is a Milwaukee journalist and he spent years researching and is loaded with information about all the Great Lakes. Thank you. Absolutely, I agree. It's definitely a must read. Tons of information, yeah. Anyone else have any questions or comments or concerns? Good. Well, thank you so much for joining me tonight. I appreciate it. Thank you.


six. Yeah, just the video stream, just the video stream starting. Hi, video people. Now everyone can see Kiki's hat. In here. Well, not everyone. The people still listening on audio still can't see it. I will describe you. It is a knit hat. With a Parthenon. It does look like a Parthenon on it, doesn't it? It's very much the Greco Roman, or what do they call federalist design? A Greco Roman pillar, maybe with four pillars, four pillars, but maybe people out there know what this logo is for. Somebody might know logo. I bet somebody does somebody knows what it is, because it's something I'm wearing this as my my geek thug look. Nice. I like it. Oh, I need control. We'll leave that as an exercise for the viewer. That's right. I can figure it out. And the answer is not at the end of the book. I'm going to put that in your head for the rest of the day. Please frame your answer in the form of a question. Where's my money, Alex? Where my money? Alright, two minute warning. Who are they going to replace Alex Trebek with if when he was steps down? He'll never step down. No, he's gonna be a zombie. Yeah. Zombie Trebek that shows his grave. He is Robo Trebek. They get replaced by Watson. Right? Well, don't you want some with personality? Oh, what's a lot of personality? Yeah, you don't think Watson has personality? Come on. Watson will learn as he goes along to have more personality than any human. Yeah, I mean, more personality than Alex Trebek. I mean, the thing about Alex Trebek is, and I love Jeopardy. I don't watch it every day. But I mean, I've been a fan for a long time.  Yeah, you know, like, Oh, no, sorry, that is incorrect. He was a lot of shade sometimes. I'm like, Alex, you didn't know that either. There's a condescending kind of like the lightness about it's like a little disappointed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry. That was Benjamin. How much did you wager? Oh, should have known it was special. Thanks. Alex, I guess. I just can't this is for any whatever challenge. I'm like, I just can't imagine hosting a game show for your life forever. That's I know it sounds dreamy, doesn't it? Pat Sajak. Oh, no, Pat Sajak wasn't the first. I can't imagine how awesome that would be a fortune. You know, I've always been surprised at how low the pot the money is on Jeopardy, because there's plenty of other game shows that seem to give you more. Well, we'll have to remember to pick this up after the show. Legacy. That's very well. Okay. Are we ready? I am. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could eat. All right. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its listeners, not outside organizations. If you get value from the show, consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis coming your way, commercial free. Find out more at Daily Tech News show.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, November 20, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt at DTS headquarters in Los Angeles. And from Studio Feline at the beach. I'm Sarah Lane. And joining us all the way up from the land of the pine trees in Oregon is Kiki Kirsten Sanford. Dr. Kiki, how is it going? It is fantastic. It's been raining up here at the sun's coming out. Yay. And I'm on the show. See, that's the sign that it's right that you're on the show today. You fill my life with sunshine. We do our best. Yeah, we do our best. Veronica Belmont out today, but she'll be back. Don't you worry producer Roger Chang here as well. How are you Roger?  I yeah, it's pretty warm and there's sunlight.  I think that's what those photons are. I don't know. All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know. Xiaomi CEO, Lei Jun said his company will invest as much as a billion dollars in 100 startups in India over the next five years.  And it's all meant to encourage the use of the mobile internet. OnePlus began rolling out its Oxygen OS 5.0, that's its first official Android Oreo release for the OnePlus 3 and the 3T. The rollout is starting small and will continue over a few days. DJI announced a bug bounty program back in August and security researcher Kevin Finister thought he'd take advantage of it. So he was working within that program to disclose how he had found some private data images from DJI customers and such on an unprotected Amazon web server instance. Now at first DJI said he qualified for the highest bounty, which would have been $30,000. But when he had issues with the terms of the award, which he felt were meant to silence him, DJI changed its tune and threatened him with charges under the computer fraud and abuse act. If he didn't sign it, he has since declined to sign it and responsibly disclosed the vulnerability publicly on his own. Now here are some more top stories. Thursday, the San Antonio Express reported that Texas Rangers, as in law enforcement, not the baseball team, served a search warrant to Apple seeking photos and messages and documents and any other data stored by the shooter in Sutherland Springs. The warrant applies to two phones and also an iCloud account. The two phones are reportedly an iPhone SE and an LG 328BG. So the background on this is that Apple immediately offered help to law enforcement. Again, Apple has not changed their stance about breaking encryption, but they said if we can do anything to help you get into phones and find evidence that is within our normal practices, we're happy to do it. Getting a warrant is part of what Apple requires. So this is not an aggressive act. This is this is what Apple would like. Like, yes, go to a judge, get a warrant, bring us the warrant, we'll help you out. And the fact that it's the iPhone SE, the iCloud account and the LG sort of implies to me that the law enforcement are like, we're just going to get a warrant for everything you tell us what you can get off of here. Because I can't imagine that Apple has too much that they can do to help get data off an LG phone. Probably not too much for the LG phone, but for the iCloud and the iPhone, you know, as long as they've got that warrant, there's some there's there's a lot of stuff they could probably make available. If it's not password protected and properly encrypted, there's going to be stuff that they can't either. But I think a lot of people see this story today. It was it's from last Thursday, and they're jumping to the conclusion that the FBI fight is on and maybe it will happen. But it's not the FBI, it's the Texas Rangers, that state police. And it's not pushing Apple, it's doing what Apple wants, which is give us a warrant, we'll see what we can do. Once they said what they can do, then we'll see what the next response is after that. Yeah, and in the past wasn't the situation that when Apple was asked by the FBI to break into phones, Apple said no. And then the FBI came back and said, Oh, never mind, we figured out how to unencrypt things and do it ourselves. So never mind. So Yeah, but there's always the possibility that once in the law enforcement can use their own methods to get past the encryption if that's there. Volvo has agreed to sell up to 24,000 Volvo XC90 SUVs to Uber for use in a fleet of autonomous cars. The deal would run from 2019 to 2021. The cars would be made to run Uber's autonomous car system, which is being tested in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Tempe, Arizona. Stocking up our cars. A lot of cars. Well, those are nice, too. They're not cheap either. No, that's true. But I wonder, yeah, it's it's these, these are the sort of partnerships where I'm like, Hey, you know, if it's self-driving car works well, and I'm in the back of a Volvo SUV, it's, you know, it could be worse. Having been in the back of Volvo is thinking, well, you know, we've, we've, you know, let's, let's get some numbers up, getting a fleet to Uber, right? Because Uber is looking forward companies to partner with, with the sort of thing, you know, rather than consumers. Have you had the opportunity to ride in one of these autonomous vehicles yet? I never have. Have you guys? I haven't. I don't have like, a weirded outness that some people do about it. I'm like, I'll get in the back of that. No problem, you know, drive me around. Yeah. But, but, but I recognize that there's some safety concerns still before this becomes part of real life. Yeah, I think this is good for Volvo because all the car manufacturers want to be the suppliers of the fleets of autonomous cars that they realize that that's probably how they're going to sell cars in the future. And it shows that that Uber is serious about replacing their drivers. They're, they're willing to spend now they aren't ordering 24,000. They have a deal to purchase up to 24,000 and then they'd have to get a new deal if they need more than that. But that's, that's quite a large number. And that's a lot of jobs, potentially. Are those driver jobs too? Yeah. Yeah. Are those existing driver jobs? Are those proposed or expected driver jobs being replaced? I mean, these are important questions to ask for the future. For the future, definitely. Well, speaking of cars, kind of after announcing an electric car, a semi truck, actually, and then a new sports car last week, Tesla has launched a third product, but this one isn't a car. It's power bank, a mobile battery pack to charge phones and other devices. It has built in USB, has micro USB and also a lightning cable and uses a single 18650 cell battery, which is actually kind of interestingly the same as the batteries in Tesla vehicles that were made before the Model 3, although obviously in a car, there'd be like a thousand of them and this is just the one to power a mobile phone. And it has a 3350 milliamp hour capacity, which isn't that much. If your phone's completely dead, for most people, it's only going to charge a single charge, you know, up to up to the top for a phone. So it's not super novel. The price is also $45. So again, not crazy expensive, but you can get off brand comparable battery chargers for like 10 bucks here. So this seems to me to be like Tesla saying, coming up on the holiday season, let's get rid of some batteries of people who want, you know, sort of a Tesla battery charger that, I don't know, seems cooler than some brand that no one's ever heard of. It's kind of ingenious, because for what I can tell, this sounds like Tesla took all the cells for the old model three, the pre model three, and said, well, what are we going to do with these? We're not making the cars that these work for anymore. We have better batteries for the cars now. And I'm like, well, let's just package them up as cell phone chargers. Probably more than one at a time was too big, which is why they're so small 3350 milliamp hours. I mean, that most phones have that in them now, especially the high end phones. So this is not large. And for $99, you can usually get 10,000 milliamp hours plus out of a battery pack. So this is definitely for somebody who's just like, I want to own a piece of Tesla. I'm not going to get the car, but I've got my battery pack. I got a battery charger. This is an overpriced stocking stuffer for the holidays. It is exactly because the nice brand name, you know, we have these little stick, you know, stick chargers that you get as giveaways sometimes and stuff that that's kind of the power of this, sadly. Well, from that to a little detective work, developers Jonathan Levin and Steve Trout and Smith found information in Apple's BridgeOS 2.0 software package indicating the new iMac Pro will have an A10 Fusion co-processor to handle secure boot and possibly, or at least it's capable of, always on Siri support. In fact, by always on Steve Trout and Smith thinks this could probably work when the computer is off so that you could say, Hey, Siri, turn on the computer and it would turn itself on.  The A10 Fusion is in the same is the same chip that's in the iPhone 7. And they also said, and I can't remember now if it was Levin or Trout and Smith who said this, that essentially because the A10 is controlling boot, you could consider the Intel chip to be the co-processor because the A10 is controlling everything else. And they called it a somewhat elegant solution to Apple having control over the system without annoying developers by putting the control in the Intel chipset.  Like, isn't that weird? But that's where we're going with all this stuff, right? I mean, it wasn't that long ago that you couldn't wake up a speaker either. So in a way, if it was, I guess it depends on how seamless it ends up working, but I can see it as being really helpful. Well, especially with everything in the house becoming linked and we've got our we've got our Amazon boxes. We've got our Google boxes. We've got all the things that we talk to in our house. And if there's an easy way to, you know, automate things so you don't have to push a button. You don't have to walk across the room to turn on your computer. You can turn on your computer from bed. I have been surprised how well Face ID works. I know it hasn't worked perfectly for everybody out there, but but generally the reviews are positive about it. And it really does feel like I'm not locked. Why just I pick up the phone, I swipe it and it does it without me thinking about it. Imagine if that gets into your computer. Imagine if we move on from Face ID to, I don't know, biosignature ID and the computer just can tell by your pulse and respiration and gate who you are when you walk into a room and and log you in and turn itself on for you or ask you like, do you want to log in? Voice print analysis, that's Kiki. We're logging her in now. I mean, there's there's all kinds of interesting consumer friendly things these things could do as long as we can do it securely. As long as we can do it securely and for a lot of people, also privacy is an issue. So if there's still a way to maintain certain aspects of their privacy. Well, yeah, not not when I say securely, I don't just mean like it can't be spoofed, but also that that bio print information, that voice print information, that's all under lock and key that you only have the key to. You hope. That's what I want is what I'm saying. Yes. Well, speaking of next generations, next generation broadcast signals come in our way eventually. The US FCC approved a new over the air standard called ATSC 3.0, which allows broadcasters to geolocate TV signals and transmit ultra HD and also allow for more interactive programming. Now, ATSC 3.0 can target broadcasts, including advertising or emergency alerts.  Broadcasters would be required to continue the current system alongside the new system for five years, which gives, you know, people a reason to upgrade. Also, no current TV support ATSC 3.0 at this point. So this is one of these next gen. We'll all get there eventually, but no one can take advantage of this yet. And speaking of waking from the dead, one of the things that TV would be able to do with this new standard is, for example, you know, give you an amber alert when your TV is off. So there are there are reasons why I say, well, this is actually a good thing, but it would have TVs working in a very different way than they do now. And it would mean that people, consumers would be forced to buy new televisions if this were adopted across the board. And if the the the last mile, if they if the broadcasters, if if the old standards were phased out eventually after the five years, you know, it would this is going to there's a quote in the article that says, this is market driven. Basically, the the market, it's good for the marketers. It's not actually the consumers asking for it. But I mean, looking at this, it's like this is so great for advertisers. Yes. Yes. I mean, it's like, yay, you can get emergency alerts and there's some other stuff that's quote unquote interactive that could be more personalized. But oh, my goodness. This is this is essentially the holy grail of what TV advertisers have been pining for, which is a Nielsen box on every TV sold in the country. I want to know who's watching Curling. I want to know who's watching, you know, Golden Girls, you know, 30th year, you know, episode rerun or like to have that type of data with something limited to only a video on demand or video over IP. And this just gives them like, oh, great, this is even more nuanced granular information. What's funny is this might bite some of them in the in the in the backside, because now average or large broadcasters can tailor their pricing even more so than they would what they've been able to do, which is just kind of generally just a block amount. Well, this is going to, hmm, part of me wants to say to all of this, uh-huh. And how many people use over the air? Not many. So so you can look, you can count on it. Limited income or elderly often are using over the air. And so you have to look at the impact on those groups by this or court cutters, people who are like, hey, you know, I watch all my stuff on Hulu and Netflix, but I'll do some over the air to get the channels that way. Well, if suddenly you are being prevented from say recording things or you're being asked to authorize because this is over the air, people are just going to stop using over the air because and also if my TV doesn't get it, I'm just going to start using the Internet or I'm going to use cable if I have that as an option. And and I feel like this this could have a backlash like you're saying, Roger, in the in the sense of causing people to stop using over the air if it's implemented too aggressively. Well, that's the beauty of over the air, right? Is like, you know, I have my leaf over the air antenna cost me seventy five dollars five years ago and now I just get lots of free stuff. So if if at any point that becomes more prohibitive in any way, then yeah, I just won't do it anymore. I'm doing it now because it works so well. The other thing this does is allows broadcast to mobile phones. So you can you can send television signals through, say, LTE broadcast, not just LTE broadcasts and create bandwidth free video viewing. So that might be the other door through which the broadcasters are able to say, well, we're we're losing that free over the air viewing, but that wasn't very valuable to us anyway. Getting it on the phone, bandwidth free doesn't kind of get your data cap. Yeah, we're we're in for that again, if that's the way it works out. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines dot com. Let's talk exoskeletons. Dr. Kiki, we found this article in ours Technica about a company, actually several companies, but one in particular that they spend most of the time talking about is a company called ESCO, ESCO Bionics that makes the ESCO vest. Now, they started by creating the human universal load carrier or later renamed Fortis for Lockheed Martin, but they're now making an exo vest for $6,000 each that people wear to become Ironman. Not even not even close to Ironman. This exo vest, yeah, it just it basically helps with those repetitive motions, especially ones where the arms are lifted over the head for extended periods of time like an automotive manufacturing processes. So these vests are lightweight. There's a nice little pillow against the back of the neck that can support your head so that, you know, you don't have to hold that eight pound, 10 pound bowling ball at the top of your spine at an odd position for many hours. And a lot of people will go home and get neck and upper back repetitive repetitive movement strain issues from these kinds of jobs. And this kind of vest is meant to stop that or at least minimize it. And I think the vest runs at something like $6,000 at this point, but if it helps to offset any kinds of potential future injuries, I mean, that's the kind of thing that costs a lot of money, rehabilitation, doctor's bills, et cetera, et cetera. And so this could be a great investment for manufacturers lightweight. And it just helps with the just lifting. And it's supposed they don't it's patent secured and they're not they've got secrets and they're not letting out their secrets of how it's built. But they think it's like hydraulic springs that help the arms lift. Yeah, I mean, you can see it. You can't they won't describe how it works, but you can see it. And one of the videos I watched, the guy demonstrating it, basically said that between the counterweight and the floor, it takes the load off you so that instead of your muscles and your bone structures moving the weight, it's it's redistributing that weight and basically making things lighter, making things lighter. Yeah, so lift assistance of about five to 15 pounds per arm. So it's not a huge amount, but it's just enough. You know, I mean, maybe this is the kind of thing if it were made cheaper, new parents would like this, you know, throw their new baby into the anymore. Right. It's also I mean, you think of something, you know, as like repetitive stress injury, right? It's like that's that's something that happens. You know, people just sitting at a computer, you know, typing regularly. And once you've got something like that, it can be very costly for a company, you know, to to go through like a workman's comp type of a thing, you know, not to mention the rehabilitation for for the for the worker, something that is a job that is actually, you know, lifting heavy things over and over, you know, on one hand, I'm like, oh, but you know, it's good exercise. But it's like, no, once you get hurt, I mean, that's that's that's major stuff and over.  You know, that's that's a recipe for repetitive stress, for sure. And and, you know, until everyone's replaced with robots. Yeah, that was the next point, right? It's like this is kind of a stop cap thing. It's like, hey, the humans are doing it. Well, let's let's give them a break. So I don't know. It's pretty cool. I think it is. And it looks like it's it is expensive. But they're, you know, this this exo vest that is being developed for Ford is just one of the things that manufacturers are looking at. There's also General Motors and they are working with a Swedish firm, Bioservo, to they're they're working on a robotic glove to help holding tools. And so it's been shown that just within a few minutes of gripping a tool continuously that you can actually have fatigue in the hands. The hands weren't meant for holding on to things for really long periods, like gripping a screwdriver that's maybe or a torque wrench, even that's working at high, high amounts of torque and pressure. So being able to have tools that can help these really sensitive motor neurons and muscles in the hands work, that could be really cool. And then there's the chairless chair from out from Audi, which is like an exoskeleton that helps you squat. So just takes the load off. I don't think this is the kind of thing you're going to go take to your personal training session for the squats. This is. No, it's when you're squatting down to work on something, though, it makes you feel like you're sitting in a chair, which is really interesting. I do love the idea of wearing one of these, you know, at Gold's Gym next to the bodybuilders and being like, see, it's a good press. Yeah. Well, I think one of the things now that the bio servo you mentioned, I think it does have power, requires electricity, but the exo vest and the chairless chair from Noni or Nuni, they don't, they're just they're just using mechanics and gravity to figure this out. And I think that's that's fascinating. Yeah, because our movie, our movie thought about this is always right, you know, the big hydraulic powered, you know, from aliens sort of thing. Yeah, but I think that, you know, there's that big hydraulic exoskeleton Mecca suit that we think of that's going to help you, you know, the warriors of the future. But there's also the place for the really diminutive exoskeleton as well. And there's the forties, Fortis exoskeleton from Lockheed Martin that is kind of like that, that sleek, svelte hydraulic suit. And it can connect to heavy tools and redirects weight from the arms so they don't get fatigued really easily. And it's from a Lockheed Martin press release. They say that it can decrease stress while carrying a heavy load. And that load was a 40 pound backpack. And this this they exerted less energy wearing this KSRD model of this exoskeleton. So they actually lasted longer on the treadmill before needing a water break. And this is the kind of thing that could be used in urban settings for the military. This could also be used in industrial settings. And then, you know, the really exciting stuff that I think is what's going to be really interesting are the neuro mechanics of these exoskeletons to help people who have spinal injuries or diseases like cerebral palsy. And that's the next direction that it's going to be going, helping helping kids really move and walk and do things that they're unable to do and give them a richer quality of life. And not even kids or people who have physical injuries. I mean, the elderly is one group I can see totally outfitted with this.  Well, keep keep an eye on these sorts of technologies by keeping in tune to this week in science at twist.org. You guys talk about a lot of this kind of stuff there. And we'll have links to this in the show notes as well. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit, submit stories and votes on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and Facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check in with Chris Christensen, who has a new way to find some cheap hotel rooms. Chris, this is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute. I had to change a blog post that I have on the amateur traveler website on 25 different websites for booking hotels because I found a new website that I thought does something very interesting and that is roomkey.com. Roomkey can help you find hotel rooms just like a lot of other programs, Expedia Booking dot com, hotels dot com. One of the things that's different about roomkey is it's going to find you some lower rates than you can find on a lot of other sites. But these are rates that you have to be in the hotel's loyalty program to take advantage of. And so if it finds a deal at a Marriott, for instance, you're going to have to be in the Marriott loyalty program. Now, I don't know of a loyalty program that isn't free to join. So that's not a particular problem. But if you are in the loyalty programs or willing to join one, which you should be willing to, roomkey.com might find you some good deals. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. Thank you, Chris. So let's check what's in the mailbag, Sarah. All right, Tom, this one comes from Greg with two. Well, three G's actually regarding the conversation about encryption and the government's need to encrypt data. Just a thought, Verizon can push an app to my phone without my consent. And prevent me from removing it. An example, a system level app like Sim Toolkit. For years, there was an NFL app that I was prevented from removing. So why couldn't they push a piece of monitoring software to the phone also without my knowledge or consent? I would think this would be possible with a court order, certainly. Is creating a backdoor about listening to chatter amongst known malicious actors, or is it about listening to all conversations? Yeah, and I think that's what what Greg's saying is, look, if you just need to get the bad guys, you could get a warrant. And would it be OK then to go to the ISP of the bad guy? Now, this is different than the Sutherland Springs case. This is when you're surveilling someone. They don't know that that they're being surveilled. This is not an after-the-fact situation. But could you say like, hey, push an app and give us give us their data stream? And in fact, that's what a lot of this NSA surveillance that Edward Stodden's revelations unveiled was the bulk collection of that because a lot of times it was difficult to identify one account. But if you did bulk collection, you might start to build the pieces of somebody they were surveilling. That's why they wanted the bulk collection, because it's not as easy sometimes as being able to say, hey, Verizon, there's this one person with that account. Can you push something to their phone? But I have to say, this is the kind of thinking that I think is going to have to happen in the debates around privacy should happen around this rather than trying to break math, just trying to put a backdoor encryption. And I want to get back into that discussion at some point, because the last few shows we've kind of assumed that most of you have followed this over the years with us. And so we have some new listeners who are like, well, wait a minute, you're saying this and I don't know why that's true. We want to talk about the fact that putting a backdoor and encryption just really doesn't work like it's going to not its math. Anybody you can't make math illegal, you can't stop people from using math. Anyway, that's the short version of it. I do want to dig into that a little more. But not instead of putting a backdoor and encryption, let's talk about other ways that that you can find out what criminals are doing so that you can catch them. Or let's find new ways to just be able to get around the backdoors that all of the ISPs put into our devices. Yeah, no, it's it's always going to be an arms race, right? Yeah, it's it's great. I love the predator prey interactions of the marketplace. It goes right into your neuroscientist brain. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you, Dr. Kiki for joining us, as I mentioned, twist.org, T-W-I-S dot R-G. Join Dr. Kiki and Blair and Justin and many fine guests as they talk about science every week. What got going on lately to tell people about? Well, last week, we in we interviewed Kelly Wienersmith, the co-author of a book called Soonish on top 10. And they're in her and her husband, Zach's view of the technologies that are either going to make or break the future. And so that that was a really fun interview. And then this week, I think I'm going to have to talk about. Cosmic interlopers. Cosmic interlopers. Where are they coming from? Other stars. Oh, my goodness. They are out of our solar system. That's right. You know, I really like that interview with Kelly Wienersmith. 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Good show, you guys. Good show. Very good show. Kiki, I'm so glad you were with us for the exoskeleton stuff. You just so well, you're so well versed in second skeletons. In exoskeletons. I always thought, you know, you and your second skeleton stuff. Some day it's going to pay off and this was that day. I'm so glad I've been reading all about them.  Right now, right now I'm showing my soft, not exoskeleton exterior. You know, endoskeleton. Endoskeleton, yeah. Titles at showbot.tv. Top of the list, warrant everything followed by investment in workers health. Because it's a vest. Pretty good one. Roger checked for sunshine, a warrant of things. I got a Tesla phone charger, Tesla battery pack, cards sold separately, overpriced stocking stuffer. Exoskeleton gives elderly hope for becoming super villains. Oh, let's talk exoskeletons. That's a lot of cars turn on the computer from bed.  One of the most popular tips you ever gave at Tekzilla. Turn on your computer. Oh, wait, the Tesla to go can charge your phone once. The watch is curling. A lot of people watch curling. Don't you diminish it? Who uses rabbit ears? You can't stop math. It depends on what class you're taking. Need it get a warrant? Well, Apple warrant interest by Texas Rangers. Well, warrant interest by Texas Rangers. All that's missing is a photo of wait, what's his name? Chuck Norris. Tesla batteries included. It's kind of a genius. I want to own a piece of Tesla. I said, heresy, not. Hey, Siri, don't get, don't get aliens needed. ExoVest, a game over to repetitive stress ailments. The chairless chair chair is a heresy instead of the other thing. So I don't set people's stuff off. Heresy, heresy. So you just say to your phone, heresy. Where's the nearest restaurant? You know, I just realized something as people start voting. So vote, people, weren't everything still at the top? Investment following also at the top in the work yourself. You can actually turn. If you had a power exosuit skeleton, could you also have for someone to do things they didn't want to do?  Yeah, if it if it's like the kind of exoskeleton like Iron Man, where it runs on an operating system and there's, you know, software that's hackable and there's some kind of some kind of entry point to hack it, maybe. But otherwise, I mean, if it's that exo vest, no, because it's not powered, you mean the Bowflex vest? This is essentially what it is.  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, yeah. No, it would you'd have to have the suit that it would have to be one of the suits that has some kind of operating system behind it, that you're not actually the one necessarily doing the movements and that there's some kind of program that could be rewritten. Kind of like the zombie ants. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God, they don't. I just honest trolls their legs. No, it just seems like the worst way to go. It's like it's going to control all your muscles and make you. I'm grabbing on to this computer and I'm never going to let it go.  Ah, wait, what? Oh, terrible. So zombie ants are ants that have been infected by a fungus. And we used to think it worked by sort of taking over their brains and changing who they were. But it turns out it doesn't get into the brain. So the ant is perfectly aware that it's still an ant, but it can't control itself anymore. And it takes so it controls its nervous system. It controls the nervous system and it makes them the makes the ants grab on to whatever surface like the tree that it's on with its mandibles and then clamps the mandibles shut so that the ant can't move. And there it allows it to, you know, wreak its growth. Digest the rest of the ant and make the ant also. So the ant gets digested and then it becomes a spore dispersal spreader and then birds will come down and maybe eat it. And yeah, it's all the. So the birds get infected and they become zombie birds. Well, the birds get infected and then it poops out or it gets passed along that way. Yeah. Other things get eaten and then and then and then the ants eat the poop on the leaf and then the fungus and then clamp clamp. You know, one of the more ingenious uses I've seen of use of ant mandibles is as a emergency suture. Like once in Africa, they have the big mandibles and some of the local tribes use it when they get a big wound. They use it and they just have it clamped down and like they're skin to like hold their skin together like staples. And then they just put the body off. So it's just like the ant head and the mandible clothes. It's pretty awesome. I think I think I think I think I've seen a documentary where they show that. It's yeah. Another mandible, another mandible, another mandible. It's kind of just because isn't that what the crazy glue was originally designed was to like glue your skin together for wounds and stuff. Yep. That's what crazy glue was originally designed for. Yeah. Huh. OK. Yeah, it's one of those military technologies that made it to popular popular use like hot pockets. People don't feel like like Tang, you know, Tang was not originally developed as the delicious beverage that we all enjoy every day. It was meant for the space program that I knew. They wanted a continental breakfast when they were orbiting the earth and they were just they got everything else except the orange juice. It's like it's like dehydrated Neapolitan ice cream. A lot of people don't realize that was developed on the space program. And they realized it actually I could go to the store for that all the time. Ice cream that doesn't melt. This is amazing.  The space cap. But you didn't know that. From Chicago, the chat room says that the fungus controlled zombies is the basis of the last of us. Video game. Oh, yeah. True. True. But why can't like the fungus just take over and just build a new society?  It's it won't talk about anything else. Sounds like a contract right now. The fungus doesn't have a purpose other than to survive and spread. Yeah, I mean, that's true of all of us. Yeah, some of us spread biologically with offspring. Other ones just spread their stores to various outlet malls around the country. Yeah. Oh, you know, Nordstrom Rack. Oh, goodness. I haven't been in Nordstrom Rack in a while. I got tired of their regular sizes. What does that mean? Basically, everything was too skinny to fit me. Oh. I hesitate to speculate. I had that problem when I visited Tokyo. Yeah, it's it's weird in Japan. I could find clothes that fit me. But they're designed barely bigger than I am. And I'm too small for everything there.  I went there and I was like, I need a jacket. And I'm like, putting on jackets. And I'm like, I ended up getting like a large jacket because it was the other comes under your knees, right? No, I'm like, what? I I was like, I looked at a jacket. It was a really nice blazer, but like very few Japanese, I guess, have very broad, like, yeah, shoulders. So anything that would fit like that came down to my knees. It'll look like a trench coat. It's like, it's a blazer trench coat. Think about you could have just rocked this whole new style. Bounce it and cinch it. Yeah. Call it a regular cinch. That's our Raj. Is it a bath? Is it a bathrobe or blazer? Who knows? Who cares? It's a blazer robe, blazer robe, or you'd be at your blazer trench. I mean, someone took the the bathrobe and turned it around and called it a blanket or slink it. Slink it. They sold it on TV, made lots of money. Indeed they did. Oh, dear. As seen on TV, sections of grocery stores, the most popular things before Christmas. What? Did you just turn into a BuzzFeed article or what just happened? I've I've been eyeing those egg things, the ones that let you make like the perfect omelette or whatever. I don't know. I mean, oh, the pan that's shaped like an omelette, so you can't. Or like it's microwaveable. It's like a form you put in there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to let you know I did a lot of stuff with eggs and microwaves over the year. And these these these devices, they work OK. I mean, so wait a minute, right? But I know that you you studied birds. Are you saying that I'm not going to say anything further to incriminate myself. I see. A lot of allegations from the pigeon population of UC Davis coming out. I think the top vote right now is investment in workers health for the title. Investment and investment in workers health. I was going with let's talk exoskeletons because we were having so much fun talking. I didn't want to interrupt. Sure. I mean, that, you know, we're same topic. I don't know exoskeleton is just a cool word to have in a title. It's good to see you. Hey, Roger, Ken from Chicago says microwavable eggs are the only way to make omelettes. What? Come on. Yeah. Microwavable eggs. Well, part of it is you put it in these containers, you mix up your eggs first, you have to whip them up first and then you pour it in the container. And then the thing is, it's the whole thing, it's contained. And so all of the the water that's in the eggs, it stays in it. And so it's lighter and fluffier because the water vapor stays within the container, as opposed to on a stovetop where it all evaporates away. So that's where all the extra cooking in the flipping on the stovetop is the fun part. I know, right? See, because I always made coffee mug eggs when I was a kid where you'd break a couple of eggs into a coffee mug, put a little milk, salt, pepper, maybe some other cheese or whatever, stir it all up. And then the fun part of that was watching the egg grow up out of the mug as it's cooked. Yeah, but it shrinks back down. Not not all the way. But it's a short, it's a micro souffle. It is. Yeah, I mean, hey, I got no problem with microwaves, but I also eat a lot of eggs and I don't know, like that's on my little cast iron and it's just like the craft of the fun. And cast iron, you're getting some good iron in your diet. It's a great nutrient. Well, I'm happy to hear that. There you go. All I know is that I'm not supposed to wash cast iron with soap ever.  You just I mean, even better. Yeah, you kind of do what you do with the self-cleaning oven. You just need to be lazy, except it. That's right. And I can get more iron in my diet. No, honestly, it's not really lazy because you have to use your elbows to scrub it off without. Yeah, no, there's still some. I do need somebody to clean my. Well, we had some exoskeletons easier. Exoskeleton, clean my microwave. We're talking about food, cooking and getting minerals from your cookware are like nonstick pans, still a no no. Or is that like these? Remember, I started using them because I read so many, you know, you know, hysterical reasons that I, you know, shouldn't. But I don't really know. Kiki probably knows a lot more about that than I do. Yeah, like the really well, well seasoned cast iron pans are as good as a nonstick pan, but it takes work to keep it that way. Nonstick pans are fine, but you have to make sure that you never use them at high heat and that you, yeah, you never use them at high heat. Well, I mean, there are a lot of things where it's like high heat is kind of part of the deal. Exactly. And so you shouldn't be using your nonstick pan to sear things because the high heat actually breaks down the nonstick coating and the bonds and yeah, and that's when the body and things are released into the air and you breathe it in and into your food. I mean, I don't know. There are so many instances where I'm like, you know, like I pretty much like cook with olive oil, you know, but it's like, I know that olive oil shouldn't be at a high heat. Actually, it's OK. There was there were some studies done that show that olive oil is one of the best oils. Algae oil is as long as you didn't cook it too high, high of a heat because then it got toxic. So no, it doesn't get toxic. I think I think I think you're both right. I think olive oil will break down at high heat and have a few more toxins than it does normally, but it's still better than most other oils. It's just it's just not as good as olive oil is at room temperature, whereas algae oil apparently has almost nothing. But it's really expensive. Algae oil, what does it taste like? Sort of algae oil, I had bought all of them. Oh, that's even better. I don't I like algae oil has no taste, doesn't break down at high temperatures. It's it's just expensive. That's all and some people are allergic to it, allergic to algae oil. Really? Oh, I think. Yeah, well, it's the it's the whole algae has some components that people who are allergic to shellfish might be allergic to. It's the whole salient issue. The red tide. It's not a red tide. If they collect the red tide, can you harvest kelp from a red zone that been hit by the red tide? No, probably not. I don't know. Yeah, probably. If you yeah, you don't want to harvest things during a red tide. What is it that olive oil has when it gets at high heat? Kiki, it's like esters or something. Esters. Yeah, it's the smoke point. There's the I don't know, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember. But as far as I know, olive oil is one of the best for high heat. Yeah, it's still the best. It has a lowish smoke point, but it still doesn't have the oxidative damage that is the problem. So once we come out with the perfect cooking solution where we could use microgravity and cook things, not immediately connected to another surface, this should all be fine, right? Because then you would need oil. You wouldn't need all the other things. Right. Just use microwaves to shoot it at the thing floating in my gravity convection oven with enough air that pushes the food up like a steak. Do not hook as I thought. So you'd have a blower so that the steak or the food is just in the middle of the oven floating around in microgravity. And it's just getting cooked all over being roasted in its own juices. Prevention magazine says, don't deep fry an olive oil. Try to avoid the smoke point. It's not harmful to your health, but cooking past the smoke point can cause nutrient loss and create unpleasant off flavors. Flavor, that's just bad cooking. So it's not as nutritional if it hits the smoke point and it might taste bad. Yeah, I keep trying something. Go for it. I need to go pick up my son. All right. Yes. Thanks, Kiki. Bye, Kiki. It was so good to see you. Really good to see you. Thanks, everybody, for saying hi. We'll see you. Hi, everybody. Thanks for inviting me on, you guys. Yes. Come back soon. Please do. I hope to. Yeah. Have a great, happy Thanksgiving week. You too.