Hey, everyone. Happy Friday, and welcome to this really early morning session on contributor experience. And what we do in a SIG where we almost have fun with people in the community. Moving ahead, I'd like to introduce all of us. Kathleen, do you want to introduce yourself? Sure. Hello, everyone. I'm Kathleen Fields. And I am a developer advocate at Google Cloud, where I focus on GKE and open source Kubernetes. And I'll be telling you more about my work in the open source project today. Madhav. Hi. My name is Madhav. I am a software developer at VMware. I work on open source Kubernetes things. And I help out with Contravex, wherever I can. And I'm Nabarun. I'm a senior engineer at VMware. Mostly work on open source projects in the day and some size projects in the night where I don't use Kubernetes. And I contribute to some areas in the community and I'm a steering committee member. So let's get started. So let's talk about how big is the Kubernetes community or who constitutes the Kubernetes community. So one of the figures that I want to really talk about here is the number of contributors that we have. We have almost like 73,000 contributors and it's growing year on year. In the last one year, we have had 10,000 new contributors.  The number of active contributors keeps on varying as we change the definition. And we are the number six OSS project by developer activity in the ecosystem. These are based on numbers published until the start of this month. Moving over. Who are we?  We'll be talking more about what the Special Interest Group for Contributor Experience does. The last slide, by the way, was a picture of our contributor summit and all of the folks in the contributor community. So while we're focusing today on the Special Interest Group for Contributor Experience, we all focus very much on our contributor community. So everyone within the project, whatever they may work on within Kubernetes, our goal is to serve them, as we kind of say on the slide. So our goal is to make sure that we're creating useful processes and making sure that our contributors in the community basically have a good time. Over time, our community changes, as we said. It's always growing. So we always have need for new processes for contributors to be able to do their work more efficiently and more smoothly. Also, sometimes we grow out of processes. So we need to make sure that we are retiring old processes that don't work for the community anymore and replacing them with new ones. So we cover a variety of different areas that we'll go over here in a minute. But first, I want to mention how you can get involved with us a little bit, where you can find us. If you are interested in joining our group, you can find the various SIGs and working groups on kates.dev. kates.dev is our contributor website. So we try to post a lot of contributor resources and information there. So check that out for our list of groups of community within our community. And for the meeting list, so one of the big recommendations, if you're one of those folks who's trying to get involved with the community, or if you've ever been one of those folks, as we all have, you've probably heard a million times, join us at our regular meeting. And you're like, where do I find these meetings? We do have a list of all of the meetings that are happening within the Kubernetes community, not just a single SIG, but all of them kind of in one place. And you can also find that on kates.dev. So very useful website. So within SIG contributor experience, like I said, there's a lot of different areas that we focus on. It's kind of nebulous to say we help our contributor community do the best work that they can and do it smoothly. So here are a few of the areas that we focus on. And really, though, the way that we accomplish this is with sub-projects, which we're going to cover in a little bit more detail. So considering the scope of SIG contributor experience is cross-sig, and we have a gigantic amount of work that we do, we try to do this efficiently by breaking our work down into what are known as sub-projects. And each sub-project has an amazing set of contributors who take it forward, define roadmaps, help new contributors, and so on. So skimming over a list of our sub-projects before we dive deep into each one of them, we have the community sub-project which, as the name suggests, owns and manages the overall community. We have a Kubernetes community repository, and this is what the sub-project helps manage, take forward, even deprecate a few things. Then we have community management, which manages, defines policies, changes policies for the upstream community group. And we have contributor documentation, which is one of my personal favorites, writes and maintains documentation around contributing to Kubernetes. So this involves things like, how do I run tests? This involves things like, how do I onboard new contributors, and so on. Then we have contributor comms, who we have Castlin for here, amplifying the success and distributing information on Kubernetes contributions, which is essential considering the scale of the Kubernetes project and the outreach we need to get the information to where we want it to go. We have events which creates and plans events. We have GitHub management, which manages and controls GitHub permissions for repos. We have Nabaroneer, who is also a GitHub admin for the Kubernetes project. We have Mentoring, which is probably one of the most crucial sub-projects we have as of now, which oversees and develops mentoring programs. We have Slack infrastructure and elections, which is our newest sub-project that people soon talk about. Okay, so before I talk a little bit about Mentoring, we have what is known as the contributor ladder defined in the community. So we sat off with non-member contributors, so these are any folks who have just come into the community who want to get started. From non-member contributors, you contribute, you help out, and then you can become a member of the Kubernetes org. What this essentially allows you to do is, it allows you to move ahead in your contributor journey to becoming a reviewer, to becoming a reviewer who is essentially reviewing PRs, review code, non-code doesn't really matter, not just PRs, you are also helping review documents, you're also helping review policies which eventually make it to one of the GitHub repositories that we might have. Beyond the reviewer, we have the approver who is responsible for approving certain changes, who has the final sign-off in terms of, okay, this is a valid change, this makes sense for our community, considering what's happened in the past, considering what we want to do in the future, and considering where we are as of now as well. So that's the approver, and then we have the sub-project owner. These are folks who set priorities and approve proposals for sub-projects. They are tasked with leadership responsibilities and for the entire repository essentially. So in the mentoring sub-project, we have a few programs and initiatives. Firstly, and this is really exciting, we have group mentoring cohorts. So these are semi-structured group mentoring initiatives with a small set of people who are paired with existing reviewers or approvers from a particular group. Very interestingly, in the past month, we had six CLI and SIG apps kickoff group mentoring cohorts, which was a really big milestone. And thank you Paris, Atharva and Purneshwar for helping drive this forward. We need more SIGs and working groups to do this essentially. So if you are a SIG or a working group or help maintain a sub-project that would want to run one of these group mentoring cohorts to foster the next set of reviewers and approvers for your project, please, please feel free to reach out to us on the SIG Contrabex Slack channel, email list, wherever you see fit. We are more than happy to help out. And then we have shadow programs, which are scalable apprenticeship programs. So most famously, the release team ran really, really well-defined and well-run shadow programs. And most recently, SIG Contrabex also is running a shadow program.  So if your SIG wants to run a shadow program, we have some experience, please reach out, run shadow programs, foster the next generation of contributors. We also defined a third-party mentorship coordinator role recently, who essentially helps coordinate what third-party mentorship programs that exist. So Google Summer of Code, LFX, Outreach, so on and so forth. But these programs can only be done if we have sufficient help. So, you know, help is always wanted. So if you are willing to coordinate some of these efforts, reach out. You know, like, just reach out regardless. Doesn't really matter. We are nice people. A big win was we worked on hands-on labs for onboarding new contributors. So this wasn't introduction to Kubernetes, but this was introduction to how to contribute to Kubernetes. So things like, how do I run tests on changes that I introduced into the Kubernetes project? How do I see these changes in effect? How do I test these changes out? And so on and so forth. And these are sort of tips and tricks that existing contributors and maintainers have used. And these were compiled by our LFX mentee, Harshata. So thank you, Harshata, for working on this. And please, we need more approvers and sub-project owners with bandwidth to be able to assist in these mentoring efforts. So anything at all, if you are available, if you are interested, we are more than happy to help out and find a way to move forward. GitHub management, Kubernetes loves GitHub because of which we do cool things like this. We have Prow, which is our internal CI-CD system, CI system. And you can do, we didn't know, Nikita is commenting slash Woof here. This is one of my favorite things. So our GitHub management project manages and controls GitHub permissions for repos and groups. It essentially helps define a consistent contributor workflow. And it works on streamlining org and team membership, which also is responsible, which leads us to our next role, which is the new membership coordinator role, which is essentially, these are friendly faces in the community who bring in new folks to the GitHub organization of Kubernetes, Kubernetes 6, and so on and so forth. So Nabarun here is one of the new membership coordinators. In GitHub management, we've been trying to improve the experience of auto-closing issues. So in Kubernetes, we auto-close issues that are stale for more than 30 days without any activity. We auto-close PRs as well, but this leads to, understandably, leads to some friction in terms of, why was this closed? What can we do better? And so on and so forth. So we've been trying to improve on that. Part of that was adding support for closing issues as not planned and better handling support requests. One of the biggest things that we're working on right now is the Approve to Plugin. This helps us granularly approve code changes rather than doing a blanket approval for each directory. This lets us approve on a file level. So helps us delegate reviewing and approving better, helps us delegate reviewing and approving better, helps us handle cases such as how do we approve dependency changes, how do we approve root directory changes, and so on and so forth. And then finally, one more thing we're working on is how do we automate team repo permissions through our in-house built tool called Periwodos. Awesome. So moving on, we have community management. Kastan is going to talk to us about that. I sure am. So there are a variety of ways that we kind of keep the community moving together and visible. So any contributors that want to get involved with us, you should certainly check out our mailing lists. We mentioned the calendar earlier. So on kates.dev, we have the community calendar where you can see all of the meetings going on throughout the project. We also have our infamous, perhaps, KDEV, which is our mailing list that we send messages out to basically all of the active contributors to. So join KDEV if you want to see the chatter kind of going on in the contributor community on email. Of course, Slack is our primary method of asynchronous communication, or synchronous, I guess, our primary method of synchronous communication because we mainly use it for chatting. So if you're ever interested in a special interest group, definitely go find them on Slack. Not really mentioned here, but I wanted to mention it anyway. We recently migrated our mailing list. So it has been updated and is better than ever. Highly recommend joining. Another thing I wanted to mention is YouTube. If you've ever been to any of these contribution meetings or been told that you should join a contribution meeting, you've probably heard that they're all recorded and that we share all of the work that we're doing publicly. So that's what we're talking about with YouTube. So every community meeting that we do, we record it. We have a small group of folks who take care of making sure that those get uploaded to YouTube. So if you ever want to find something, you ever miss something, everything is up there as well. We also have a community repo. As with any open source project, we do a lot of our work in GitHub. And that's not just for code contribution. That's not just the Kubernetes project itself. Here in contributor experience, a lot of our work is documented in GitHub as well. So definitely check out the community repo. It's fairly large. It has a lot of different areas in it. I've learned a lot by just exploring that repo. We use Zoom primarily for our meetings. So I mentioned that we record them. We record them over Zoom and we host most of our meetings over Zoom. We are always looking for help to automate the publishing of those videos to YouTube to make that process smoother. So if that sounds like something you might be interested in, let us know. We have discuss.kates.io, which is a community forum where you can talk about all sorts of things Kubernetes related. And I also mentioned in here that we have some folks who help to make sure that the videos from all of our meetings get into YouTube. That's one form of moderator. We also of course have our Slack. Like I mentioned, we need moderators in there. So there are moderator opportunities all throughout the community if you're interested in helping to moderate discussion in the community. Specifically, I want to talk a little bit more about YouTube moderation. So we have our Kubernetes YouTube channel and it has separate playlists for special interest groups, working groups and user groups. The meetings from all of those different communities are organized into these playlists. So that's a lot of recordings to deal with and a lot of organization that goes into it. We also do recordings of regular events. We mentioned the events group. So one regular event is the Kubernetes community meeting which is a monthly thing-ish. Not this month because we're at KubeCon. We also do office hours and we like to do meet our contributors sessions where we'll regularly have prominent contributors or any contributors on to talk with the community and answer questions. So we record all of these things. All of this adds up to a lot and it all needs to be somewhat organized and somewhat checked to make sure that it's not the wrong thing or something. So moderation is really important for us for our YouTube videos. That being said, it's not as heavy of a lift as you might think it would be.  A lot of it is making sure that we collect all of these files and get it onto the YouTube page, checking for anything particularly egregious and maybe working together to make sure that those parts get edited out. But it's a relatively few simple steps. There's not as much really intense, complex time involved in it like you would have to do with editing as you might think. So if you're interested in YouTube administration we could really use some help and would love to have you. So do let us know if you're interested in being a YouTube administrator or admin or moderator, all of those. And I am the sub-project lead for contributor comms. We mentioned this a little bit earlier when we were doing the overview of some of the sub-projects. So in contributor comms our focus is on making sure that the contributor community knows what's going on and also that folks externally can see the awesome work that contributors are doing. The Kubernetes project of course has our regular releases. We talk about the features that we've done but there are all sorts of really awesome things that contributors are doing both during release and between release cycles. So we wanna make sure that people are being recognized for their awesome work and that contributors know about contributor events like the community meeting and changes that are happening to processes that might affect contributors. So we do a lot of work around that. One way that we communicate is with Twitter. If you haven't already, please follow the Kate's contributors handle on Twitter. We're doing a bunch of tweeting during the conference. We actually have a way to schedule tweets onto that account, not really schedule, to get tweets onto that account using GitHub. Like I mentioned, a lot of contributor work is through GitHub so we wanna make our methods of communication as accessible to our contributors as possible. And our goal with this Twitter account is for any contributor to be able to submit a tweet to be posted there. So we have a GitHub-based process where you can submit an issue, it'll turn it into a PR and once that PR gets merged, it'll be tweeted. So that's pretty cool. We also have a new tool called Buffer which we're using for more complex requests for tweeting. So if you get involved with the group, we can get you familiar with that tool. Contributor-focused content and stories sometimes will write blog posts or create videos or create other content to promote contributor activities, bring attention to areas that need help in the community when the annual report comes out every year. We try to make sure to highlight the help wanted sections. So every year we have this annual report and we talk about what the different special interest groups are doing and why it's awesome and what they really need help with. So we try to really amplify that this is what we need help with message. We just implemented a new shadowing program. So we would love to have you for any of our newer leadership roles and shadowing opportunities. And we've done a few talks about our team. So if you wanna go deeper into detail, look up those talks. So we also have an event sub-project where we essentially plan and execute a successful event such as contributor summit that we had earlier this week on Monday. Contributor summit is the primary event for Kubernetes contributors to get together, collaborate, just catch up. And also we also host a steering AMA in the contributor summit where we have questions focused more towards the broader health of the community, more towards what is the way forward in the next year, what do we need help with, and so on and so forth. We also, this, the earlier, the contributor summit that we just had, we had topics such as our new registry.ks.io, which is a big change and a big win for the community. Sustainable quality topics, mentoring topics, tying back into sustainable quality and improving the website tooling, stateful workloads, many more, and many more topics such as gateway API, pod lifecycle management, so on and so forth. Yeah, elections. Okay, so this is a very new sub project that we started very recently. To give you some context, every year we run one public election where every contributor votes and it's the steering committee elections because the part of the steering committee rotates every year. And back in history, we used to conduct the election using a tool called SIVS, which is the condorsed internet voting system. But the operations around the system was a little difficult to manage for the community as in how do we sustainably manage them and are there like concrete processes to do it? What we instead started to work on was, I think a couple of years back, was a tool called elective. It's a Flask app written to basically manage elections using Git artifacts. So if you want to run an election in the communities community, all you need is a Git repo where you store the metadata for the elections. And I've also pushed a screenshot. For example, on the right hand side, you can see that the last steering committee elections happened and I can just log in with GitHub and see whether I'm eligible to vote. And it also shows me which elections did I vote earlier in. It's like an end-to-end management of elections using Git artifacts. And it has helped a lot in like gaining more velocity. But we do have a lot of things that we need help with. These are like good to have improvements. So if you know Python, Flask, or in general, if you want to write docs around the election system, feel free to like join us in the SIG Contribacks elections channel and start discussing with us like, how can we solve? No, that's not all. If you have been a member of the community and know of the elections already, every year when the election happens, we need certain number of election officers. So if you want to help, do come to us right away because even though the next elections are almost like 10 months away, we really like to start preparing early. For example, Kathleen was one of the election officers. This year, Josh used to be an election officer until last year. And Electo has been created by Manish who has been, and I think in Elefix-20, or in one of the mentorship programs, and by Josh. Thanks to all of the contributors who have contributed, I just could name two, but I think there are like eight or nine contributors who have contributed to Electo. This is a really great thing as we say like, not all of the Kubernetes community requires go knowledge. If you know Python, it's a great thing to contribute to. Moving ahead, contributed documentation. So, Kastin mentioned the Kubernetes community repo where you can come and see like what community groups we have, what is the structure. Now, I want to mention the contributor guide, which is in the community repo. That helps people know the overall architecture of the community. Now, what about if you want to get like in-depth knowledge of how do you run tests? How do you set up the project? How do you run end-to-end tests? What are end-to-end tests? What are integration tests? You look at the developer guide, which is in the community repo itself. Now back couple of years back, what we realized was we need to have a central repository or a portal or a website or a front-end where, which caters to contributors of the community and we do have it now at katers.dev. You can go there, have a look at what community events are happening. There is a calendar as well where you can go and see which events are scheduled every day. If you want to join them, you can have a track. We have, we don't have the contributor guide really right now, but we will soon have it if you want to help. That's another thing you can help with. What you need to know is probably about Hugo and a little bit of like how do you add headers to markdown files and have them imported in websites. There is one certain help that we need in the contributor site is right now a lot of the content is generated using bash and we generate redirects using bash. Now if you know bash and go, that would be a real help to us if you can come understand what we have written and reimplement it in something that more people understand and which is like more testable. I think that's the mantra that we go by in the community. Like if we just write something and then if it flies, we want to write more tests, make it sustainable, just come on board. We have been working on contributor course to make people like go through scenarios of how do you contribute to Kubernetes. We do have a category scenario for this, but the thing is category is deprecated. So we are exploring GitHub code spaces right now. I think this would be done in the next couple of months so we should have an update soon for everyone. Beyond that, I'll talk about big wins. What we have achieved in the last six months since we gave the update in Valencia. Caps website. So a lot of the people in the community have been asking, hey, have been asking this question. You keep on talking about caps. Every contributor keeps on talking about caps and we know what are those. But if I have to go through history and look at what got implemented when, do I really need to go to a GitHub repo or maybe use search engine but then the results may not be indexed like you want? We did have a solution to this all this while but it's just that we needed to have it repackaged as a good front end that can be consumed by end users. It can be anyone as like a product manager or there are like different personas who can consume this website. This is just a alpha iteration you can say or the first iteration of the website where you can come and see a list of caps which have been implemented through history. And if you want, you can have a simple search. For example, here I saw like what caps went to stable stage in the one to five release. You can just do a plain simple search and it will return you all the caps that are there. Now we need a lot of help in this as well. So this is just the first iteration. On the top of my mind, one improvement that I can speak about is that right now this doesn't search through the cap contents. So we need help like enabling that feature or implementing that or thinking through how do we design such a feature? Also, we need help in like improving the metadata here. Not strictly related to six contrabex but it's like a general community thing. For example, if you see here for one cap we don't have the last updated metadata. So things like this, we need to improve over time to have a great caps website. I will let mother talk about the maintenance automation. Yeah, so I'm gonna go a little faster since we have approximately five minutes left. Mainteners is probably one of the most exciting areas that I'm looking forward to in the next year. So this is a tool that one of our community members, Dimz, a lot of you might know him, wrote. This is a tool to provide cognitive statistics to try and help gauge broader community health. It passes owners files in Kubernetes or any repository within the Kubernetes org. Owners files, owner aliases. It also queries GitHub and DevStats to try and see how many folks are active, what folks are present as reviewers or approvers who have not been active for a certain amount of time. And doing this is important because these are folks that you might assign to your contribution in order to get it approved. But if they are not active, your PR goes stale and that's probably not the best thing to do. We are also trying to get and run this maintenance tool as a periodic in our community in order to try and see if we can automate some of these things and basically give better signal to SIGs in terms of what do we need to do next. And so all that being said explicitly, how can you contribute, right? We have an excellent community. We have, especially like SIG Contributex is one of our favorite ones, favorite SIGs in the community getting involved. The first step is attending a SIG meeting. So we do have a variety of SIG meetings. There is one main one for the contributor experience SIG which we have, what is it, bi-weekly, bi-weekly. So if you are interested in hearing about the SIG kind of as a whole in a kind of general sense, attend that bi-weekly meeting. Our sub-projects also have their own regular meetings. Contributor comms, for example, meets every week on Fridays. So check out that community calendar for all of them or go to the specific sub-projects to learn more. All meetings are uploaded to YouTube so you can always find them there. I don't know why you would watch the recorded meetings if you're not familiar with the group. Sounds like a heavy lift, but you could do it. And of course, there's the mailing list. So any important information should go out to that mailing list. Make sure you check that out. So if you wanna attend your first SIG meeting, here are a few tips to make it worth your while and to help you continue contributing. If you can go with a buddy, sometimes it's useful to be able to talk about the meeting afterwards with someone else that you know. That can be really helpful for remembering what happened and for keeping each other honest if you wanna really start contributing regularly. Regularly is always the hardest thing. Volunteer to take notes. I know I for one have a horrible memory so I need to take notes in order to remember what happened. It's also a huge help to the community because a lot of people have that issue. It's useful to be able to go back to the notes and see what happened. And you'll have your name on the notes in a particularly prominent place so you'll get more recognition. Attend regularly. My advice to new contributors is always just to be stubborn. If you wanna contribute regularly and you start going to meetings and you're not really sure what's going on and you're not sure how you can help, nobody gave you anything to do, that's how it always starts. But the more of those meetings you attend, the more regular of a face you are, the more stuff you'll get assigned to you and the more you'll become a part of that community. So be stubborn and just keep attending. Small dependable contributions are what we're built on and SIGs generally try to have good first issues. There's a label in GitHub. So if you're looking for something to do, you can look for those. Oftentimes they don't use that label as consistently as they should. So definitely chat with the SIGs, don't be afraid, lots of folks are really friendly. So reach out if you want something to do. Next. There are also non-code related paths available like we mentioned in contributor comms. We have Twitter and we have a variety of other things that we do that don't involve coding. We also mentioned a few other projects like Electo where you can do more code contribution or the website contribution. So there's a variety of opportunities available. Don't let your feelings about your skill set keep you from getting involved with this community. Next. What are the most important areas that you can help with? Like we said, mentoring really needs help right now. It's so important that we get new folks onboarded onto the project who want to be involved. So if you can help out with any of our mentoring initiatives, we would really, really appreciate it. Help with running the community meeting is also something that we're looking for right now. Like we said, we run those meetings monthly. There's a little bit to coordinate there because we try to have folks from various parts within the Kubernetes community, not just the SIG presented those. So we could use some help with that coordination. More immediate areas, the Kubernetes annual report. So the annual report is really, really important to us. And it involves a lot of coordination as well. So if you're interested, we could use some help there as well. So the Kubernetes annual report. So this is a document that's been worked on and produced by the community. Most importantly, we have the help wanted section. So these are areas where you can go to to see what SIGs have been up to. And also these are areas where you can see if you want to aid conversations with your employers in terms of what do you need to do. And this is where you can find us. And thank you so much for attending, listening, collaborating, feel free to reach out to any one of us for any form of help needed. And we're happy to help out. Make sure to join the mailing list and the Slack. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, I'd like to take one question from online real quickly. Which is, do you have some additional tips or instructions for getting started in contributing? Like I said, my number one tip is to be stubborn. If you want to be a consistent contributor, find a spot. Docs or my group, contributor comms, I think are particularly good areas for new folks. In contributor comms, we do a lot of stuff that's very broad with the project. So you get more of a sense for how the project works. Same is often true for docs. You get a pretty broad overview and you can always move from one group to another. So don't feel stuck. I'll just add one thing. If you want to get started contributing to CIG Contribux or any other CIG, the community repo is essentially the source of truth. So head on to the community slash community repo, see what CIGs are out there, see what areas they work on. Next step is join the Slack channels and the email lists. Joining the email lists will get you an invite to their weekly meetings or bi-weekly meetings or monthly meetings depending on what the CIG is doing. And essentially, my personal tip would be to try and ask questions or ask or have discussions in public as much as possible and not in private, mainly because this creates common knowledge, it helps other folks as well, and it also reduces burden on existing maintenance.  It's important to be like regular across time and not like sporadic. That's really important in the community. So even if you can give like four hours or five hours a week or even a couple of hours a week, that's very good, but you should be consistent. And the clearer you are about your contribution boundaries, the better the community can help you stick with them. And time zones are always an issue, so don't feel free, don't feel the need to attend all meetings because some might be late for you, some might be really early for you. That's why we have the YouTube channel, that's why we have the notes, all of that. Async is more than okay. Async is almost preferred at this point. So totally okay, no matter where, what time zone you're in. Yeah, thank you. Do we have any more questions? Any additional questions? Didn't think we'd have time for more questions, but we do. Anyone over here? I don't think so. Oh, it's a question. Okay, never mind. Okay, sorry about that. You can always catch us in the hallway. Yeah, feel free to reach out, love chatting. Thank you so much. Thank you everyone. 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I Don't know what I would say Tommy leans towards that means right Maybe that means right. I mean, I think we all have a lot of conservative values, right? Majority of our values are probably conservative You don't think I I agree Not this Trump shit, but I'm talking about conservative like as far as like I I Love capitalism, but I like compassionate capitalism. Yeah, I like I believe in two a you know I'm saying yeah conservative is a weird word because like we assume conservative means like Don't use curse words. Don't wear that outfit. Don't do this you mean like I think I'm center with it. I think it's a hundred percent if you're reasonable you're Some things on the left I want and some things on the right. I want great joke, you know Sometimes I'm conservative about some things I'm liberal about I think that's life I think that for whatever reason motherfuckers don't understand nuance But Tommy hit me and it was so funny because Tommy goes yo How could I haven't been watching yet? He goes yo And peach me herrings are bad Haven't seen him yet. He goes it's devastating for Trump people just need to see it. How me it's an impeachment hearing Which we thought it was gonna be good for Trump It's it's to call an impeachment trial for a reason so they're going through with it. It's happening today.  Yeah probably ended up with over three Don't you think impeachment hearing should have just as much conversation around it? Honestly, maybe it does somebody look it up I don't know somebody look it up online right now because we don't care.   I agree with you on the ti thing, um He might be right about trump too, but people should care Oh, because he's the president of the united states of america should and do completely different should we care about ti and his daughter's hymen? No Not not three million tweets. No the herb god he got on tmz today and herb not today But maybe it was yesterday herb god.   You can go to jail with that. That's brandishing Did this guy learn nothing? Dude, there's this There's he was in jail. Wasn't he or wasn't in jail? Uh, no he uh, he was um, no Yeah, yeah, he was on trial with the feds for uh Something to do with taxis and money laundering and stuff like that, but he beat it. He beat it or he Beat it. No, he beat it. Good for him. He beat the feds. He beat the feds But I'm just saying like if we're if we're if we're shitting that think about that gun culture is so normalized in america Yeah, that if you hear a man, especially a black man From hip hop. Yeah, say he pulled a gun on somebody. It don't even register with you. I know it just You don't even care.  Yeah, that's how normal gun culture is in america. That's will smith and bad boys Right like he's reenacting a series of bad boys that was meant for like comic relief. Yeah I'm trying to think of eye to gun if I would bring it on my daughter's kid. No I would let my I would let him know I'm a gun owner How would how do you do that? Yeah, just sitting there cleaning it in the living room. Oh, that's all. How you doing there, bob? Welcome Really what time will you be back by?  You know what I mean? But my point is it should be just what if he grabbed his dick and he was like Well, I got one too. Whoa Standing ground.   We don't Because we don't sell gummy bears Right. We we don't we don't need the likes right Like you and I have different metrics to decide whether The instagram for us is a billboard. Yeah, I don't look at likes, bro Who gives a fuck? I just post videos what I think is great about the the instagram like thing is it It's basically instagram going Oh, you're not gonna make money without us Mmm, you think that's what it is. Yes They're like all you guys are making all this money and we're not making any money.   I think instagram is getting ahead of What is sure to be inevitably uh considered a major mental health risk throughout the world I think that they're saying now Let's get rid of the likes to get ahead of people saying the likes and uh negative comments It's causing people to be in a bad mental headspace.  Well, here's the thing. They're not getting rid of comments Not getting rid of comments, right and they're not getting rid of views But but the difference between comments is comments are filtered like fuck, right? Are you can are they yeah, man?   It is dark. So I take the candle, right? And Alex is filming and I take the candle and i'm talking to the candle and I blew out the candle Right And my boy goes he goes damn. He just blew up.  So then instead of the Candle I take my iphone flashlight, right? I turn that on and I start doing it and somehow The flashlight goes off. He goes you just blew out the flashlight with your nose How big is your nose you're blowing out the flashlight But I just think they're getting ahead of it, bro I think they take it rid of the lights because they want instagram to be around for another five years And you think it would go away if if they found out it's that crippling to our mental health Well, first of all, I think it I know for a fact it's that crippling that people's mental health Like majority of I think I think anxiety is on the rise in america social anxiety and everything because of social media I think it gives you a number one affair missing out like I want you to really think about I really want you to think about What you thought you was missing out on before social media Now you feel like you're missing out on every fucking thing like what before social media. When did you ever get fomo?  Yeah, but that fomo must have been real in south carolina. Yeah, they want to hear what I got to say Yeah, what happened last night y'all gonna put some sauce on that motherfucker Yo, so the werewolf came to werewolf came Yo, somebody else can tell you the story. I'm like That should that should ain't slapping like that. I know I know I know that for a fact. I know that for a fact but fomo um Validation. Yes. I I think that's where I think that's where we get caught up And I think that could be the most crippling thing is is going. I'm good when this hits a certain amount of life How can you ever build self-esteem? How how can you ever build self-esteem self-esteem is called self-esteem for a reason it's not social media esteem It's not instagram like esteem instagram comment seat self-esteem. How can you ever grow self-esteem?  At a young age that they are valuable and that they can do things you tell them that so it's through you So you are their likes.  It's my day one.     I understand content I know what hits the second time when I when I Because I quit z-93 jams in Charleston, South Carolina and I did radio at hot 98 90 Charleston That was my first time I got fired first time I got fired from doing radio in Charleston I thought that was it because I already had worked at two radio stations in Charleston I didn't know anything about doing radio in other places. So in my mind I thought I was just good enough to do radio in Charleston. Like I am from Charleston. I'm from monks corner. I speak the language. I know The clubs I know the places to be I know the places to shout out. I know how to get the hood on my side in this City, you know, um, did I try to get a job at another station? My girl TT Torres used to work there power 94 TT is a music director at hot 97 But she's we went to high school together. I don't know if people know that but she um She was at power 94, but I didn't get hired there But when I got the job in Columbia, South Carolina Which was an hour and a half away And I was successful there. You're like, okay, that gave me the confidence to feel like I can do radio Any and everywhere.   Oh, oh take yourself a steam away When you say something somebody goes, uh Son Taylor's emotional today because I said my nose thing earlier and she said oh to that too Really? Yeah, what's going on tea? Are you are you what's going on? Is it that?  We don't say men struweiding we progressive over here.  Real so that's patriarchal. I think I think a woman made that name up to be honest with you Men struweiding the worst week of your month the seven days when you bleed you want to give that to us?  No, that's great. Keep that. That's your it's just struweiding from now on. That's right We dropped the men from it. Yeah, you know But new york humbled me but once I got through that yeah And they started showing me love in new york. I knew I could write my own ticket from there They humble you they release the survey all this stuff happens.  I'm like, what do you mean? He was like you won't win up there He was just like just keep being you and keep being your authentic self keep telling the truth. That's what you do Like that's gonna always win.   That's why he bought me on the show to have to have something for the guys Yeah, that was their thing they they they literally bought me on the show because they thought the show was I mean because you got things It's 2006. Yes, so they thought the show was leaning a little too Girlie gossipy girlie and it is and that's the space she's in now.    This is kind of cool Whatever so I admire wendy for sticking with something she knew would work even when the poll Was very against it or wendy just could have been like Even if you don't think it could be it could go two ways right wendy could have been like look I don't know if this shit is gonna work, but I'll put you here. So i'm not gonna be wrong So ego gets it. Yes, man.  Like I've been talking to my spiritual um Advisor about this. Who's your spiritual advisor? My name is yachty. Salute to yachty. I just I'm it's so funny I don't even know who you're gonna talk about this, but I put this in my notes.     There's nothing you can do to stop me I tend to agree with that but your wounded ego Is that hurt little child that exists within you? Who gets upset when somebody makes fun of your nose?  That's a wounded ego is but ego can be a beautiful thing I mean Ryan holiday wrote a whole book about it called ego with the enemy But he also talks about How there's value how the how the ego can be valuable. There's uh later in this episode I sit down with a black youngster and we have a conversation about that just about ego in general and and I was I was asking him about why he Why he's so cordial for someone who Seemingly has had a very real life in the streets And he goes, you know what I realize is the people who look tough all the time. They don't feel tough Inside that's why they got to look tough because I know who I am Talk a smile Wax is the most happy go lucky person.  There's um I'm dead. I'm not even joking.    He liked to have fun. I'm telling you the people that understand who they are Have no problem seeming vulnerable You know the people who truly know who they aren't trying to put on the front They aren't trying to convince constantly, right?  Yeah, man Right.  Yeah, you know Yeah, I think it's two things too.  His freedom has been on the line Like I he just he just one of his cases just got dropped the phone. I'm mistaken, you know Or um, you know, he's probably been in situations where he thought he was going to die So he's just really happy to be out here and you know be alive and when you talk about the um The depression stuff the mental health issues like I look at what's happening with summer walker right now Who's summer walker?  Especially a music artist.  This is how things supposed to be And think about how long was she how long was she performing before this happened? I have no she's young I didn't know who summer. I thought summer walker was dj drama's girlfriend for the longest I was like dj because dj drama did have a girlfriend named summer walker I thought this whole time when people was talking about summer walker.    We totally understand. Oh, they've been working too hard. They've been running around even on tall Like yeah, they need a break, but mental exhaustion is like not tough to drink some coffee You know i'm saying a lot of people. Yeah, a lot of people don't but don't get the um the intensity the intensity that like entertaining Requires right because it is Doing this like what we're having a podcast or these types of things like even performing a live show It's not as hard as building a bridge. You know what I mean?   You feel empty afterwards. Yeah most creatives Are introverts, right most creatives like to beat it themselves Creating yeah, you know what I'm saying and so it's just like now.   I think you're describing a lot of guys that You know, uh, they realize hey, that's not for me. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm better at this thing, you know If music is such an odd thing man like What do you think it is about us that we respond about humans that we respond To music and the way we do why is it so I can move us I think it's the drums. I think drums sound like the heartbeat in the womb So music brings us back to the womb.   Maybe it's maybe it's just energy Maybe it's just like if somebody's sad and they make a record That energy goes into the record and you feel that energy Maybe maybe maybe music is a capsule of whatever emotion you're going through in that moment It is a time capsule Maybe And maybe it's just something you access when you want to feel sad You know what's on the list too when you want to feel hyped angry You know, it's on the list when you want to feel hype You know what's on the list too when you want to get that's what I say Let's get in the mood when you want to get in the mood. That's why you got these records that talk about sex Maybe I don't know but why is it that? Simply putting something a melody is way more effective than someone just saying the words to you I feel like that about film though and tv like it's certain tv. It's certain episodes of tv shows I can watch I know I know exactly how it's going to make me feel I know how i'm going to feel when I watch boys in the hood and ricky gets shot I know how i'm going to feel when I watch my girl and thomas j gets stung by the goddamn bees Like I know how I'm going to feel when I motherfucking you know Watch coming to America like it's a feeling it gives me that's why a lot of times we Don't like a lot of the Content that we're presenting now because they don't give us a feeling Going that meaning like I'm not into drake like A 20-something year old might be in the drake Well, I don't even know if they're in the drake anymore because he got booed this week But I'm not into those things because I don't feel him the way I feel a jay-z You know I'm saying jay-z represents a period of my life It was things that I was going through when reasonable doubt was out when in my lifetime was out when in my lifetime Vom 2 was out when fucking the blueprint came out. It's things that I was going through in my life I can I can pinpoint moments even now in my adult life 444 to me represents anguilla Because when that album came out it came out on june 30th. So that was my Birthday it was the day after my birthday came out at midnight and then I flew there anguilla that next day So that whole time We in this villa and I remember devy dev was there with us that summer and her husband duane And we was just listening that me and duane was on 444 that whole week Right, so but it represented more than just the experience there represented adulthood fatherhood finances finances being entrepreneur being a businessman and like that album Had all of that in it and I was literally living my best life like wow Damn, so music can attach itself to the moments of the creator, but it can also attach itself to moments of the listener So a song on 444 or a song on you know reasonable doubt can mean something to you It might be completely different than what it meant to jay Because of when you listen to it and how you're feeling when you listen to it like You know how like some people say they can look at an art piece and it represents something to them Right that might be completely different than than the painter who painted it for example I think that's true with music. I think there are certain songs that like whatever reason are baked into us emotionally Like if I listen to Sinatra's my way, I'm gonna have a different feeling about that song Then maybe someone else who listened to it if my father listened to it. Yeah, you know the my way song It's my way hard though. If if if you understand what I mean, how can you not relate to that? Bro, but but you a self-made independent person, but but I relate to it in a way where it's like It's a come-up Whereas the song if you listen to it It's the end of the day It's about to die right or it's it's over But I I relate to it it with the trajectory going up But I'm choosing to put that on it and I'm choosing to let it inspire me Now what if you're the type of person who can play it all the way to the end? That's what 48 law of the power tell you to do it tell you to play it all the way to the end If you're the type person that can play it all the way to the end You're looking at that song my way From how you want your ending to be You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you could already be living in your ending and knowing based off what you're doing today How your tomorrow is going to be So if you are successful Doing things your way for real for real you already know at the end of the day when you take your motherfucking broth You can put that frank Sinatra on right right I don't know why you chose bra That's I mean, what do guys do at the end of the day not take your broth How about I've signified the end of the day better than taking your broth Lay in bed take your pants under your tie I like the bra, bro Taking the bra feel way more relaxing, but you don't have a bra, but it looks like it feels relaxing Just letting your titties go.  That's what frank Sinatra was talking about when they were making that song He's like can we have something that just feels like taking your broth at the end of a long day What did you bring waxes? Ah, okay. Good. Good. Good Look at Taylor trying to produce. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Waxes at frosty wedding this weekend with motherfucking you guys are back on good terms Oh, you and frosty Wait, wasn't he the guy that you punched because he made fun of the Totally there's two family frosty two family frosty got married this weekend, man, which family Ah Do they listen? I have no idea. Yes. I think they do listen to the pastor actually said that at the uh The pastor said that at the wedding that was part of that was part of uh, shantel's vows And instead of to depth to his partial until it was like through podcast that I don't care about Man, you don't want to put this one though. We don't want to talk about this I mean, I had I enjoyed it man. I want to get married now because that was great. Oh my god, man I was like wow Nothing makes me more emotional than weddings, bro.  I go to weddings. I'd be wanting to cry I don't know if it's delica or what I just go to wedges and I'd be celebrating like a motherfucker and I was drinking some Shit sunday. I don't normally drink.   He's a little more row in there I was like put a little more row in there I had that Tito then tonic with that more row, baby.  No, but listen, I like I've I've I've drinking things with tonic before Yeah, but it hits different now that it's just successful different And I ordered it because um, uh, my dude Malik was like, let me get a tangerine tonic I'm like, I ain't drinking no goddamn tangerine.  It's like me really getting married for real for real Like but how about I heard so many stories about frosty. What did he go with you guys to like Always always frosty frosty was a whole bro. Yeah, that's good. It's just good when he's settling down Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, so great. It was really good Which no I heard that um frosty is not the only person that's settling down I heard that you know wax might have a new boo, you know, he's out there on social media You ever seen my social media? I've just said look at my page right now. What are you talking about? I'm seeing this I got it. I got it. I got it Hey, listen, what's going on? Did I just see this illegal? No, listen, oh Wow, wow Is this me? Wow, wow with the heart emojis in the smiley face Oh, wow. Okay. Thank you. Um Who is this? Why can't you use the data black woman bro? They'll do this. Y'all don't do this.  No, she not. She close. No, she not She's from the store All right, let's go which I got somebody set me up. You did something Somebody sit that picture because that's my screenshot. Listen, listen wax ready wax been ready. Yeah You know the other my sister. She's still my sister. He was in love with her Can we say who that is? I don't know what you're talking about. She one day she'll tell her story. Will she come on? She's gonna do her own podcast Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it coming.  I never see that that's gonna set her off I'd never seen that. Let me see that type of embrace, but I've never seen that before either Let me never see you're in it. Yo, he ready. He ready to get married.  Like he goes like this in it You got to adjust his hat up, right? Listen, you know wax don't just move his hat for nobody He exposed himself to the world Can I see the picture? You were in it. I was I was there, but I don't know how long ago that was Please What do you mean? This is holiday time, you know what I'm saying I don't know it's cuffing season. I guess so you ready to be married. Why not frosty got married wax caught the bouquet and frost wedding It was unbelievable. It was god I'll push everybody out the way. I'll push everybody out the way. How it happened. I did a football move I call that an interception if it's five women lined up and wax catch the bouquet. That's the interception They told me to do that. Everybody told me to do that. Wait, you really gone.  This the group chat before the wedding. They told me soon. I got it. These are my guys, right?  This is my dude T-Mobile. Coop. Freddie jeans. So T-Mobile goes So here's the bet Coop puts the eye emojis. T-Mobile goes wax wears Tim's or wax wears a hat. T-Mobile goes, what you got? T-Mobile goes, I got ten dollars on the Tim's. Coop, y'all take the hat. T-Mobile says we call him for both the ceremony and the reception I see him putting the hat on at the reception for show wax fucks him up wax comes in the hat and some goddamn black Tim's So you double down double down Everybody lost everybody lost Everybody lost that's amazing dog. Listen, man trying out here. I feel like this is good for you. You have a good calm energy I feel like you know Yeah I'm chilling. I've always been like this But now maybe this girl and maybe you're the way that you're emotionally attached and the way that you're operating with her physically In public, maybe that's something that's going to take you to this level. Yeah, it's time for you to grow up wax Yeah, why not? No, it's time for you to grow up. I don't know what's going on No, no, it's time for you to grow up.  Have you been to the world yet? But can you explain that to me? Listen, where did this picture even come from? Is that what that was that I That's next level We're playing a game of hot potato So we're giving out context clues For anybody out there who may know who this young lady is How many people watch this? All right, what else y'all got yo, we just want to know about your life youngster.   That's true. Yeah. That's just she's a brown woman Yes from the diaphragm from disney disney brown from disney disney. Yes brown disney woman Brown woman from disney disney disney which one is an uh It's two of them. It's world and land Well world is is in the state that you're the crazy state is in the straight the crazy state. Yes. Okay. Got you. Got you Yo, got you. That's the disney world. Got you. I don't know all this stuff. Where exactly In florida, yo, what is going on? just Who made him this happy? I don't want to miss happy with me. I don't want to happy with y'all All right, what else going on black youngster, I don't even love like that, bro Listen, I know he in love though when he started talking to me about the person Interesting He's been talking to me about this person I would love to hear this right now just enjoys the conversation um You know because I was actually bigging this person up the other day Because it's something they said and I really appreciated what they said. I thought it was a good perspective. What did they say? and you know They were just talking about um the way they choose to raise their daughter Interesting, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, and that person was just saying how like yo like they're overprotective of their daughter because of You know what she went through in her life And when I started, you know, bigging her up like wax just he just went in Let me hear it. I would love it. I would love it too. She's really beautiful.  She's she's she's she I'm enchanted by her He had a chance You in the Disney world one time Who said I was in the Disney world? Who said I was in the Disney world though? You went to the chain of king the one time You Now you know how to use enchanted. Listen, Jesus Christ sit down with the disney world, huh? Black youngster. What happened? No, listen, we're talking about you like this is a minister now, too I want to do that. I want to do that. Black youngster marries you and that's young disney.  What are you thinking? All right, which one? Alex Would you like to explain the beef between dominicans and porto reacons? I would like to explain Hi guys I'm curious Andrew knows about all cultures. Andrew, do you know anything about dominican and porto reacon beef? I I do know about dominican and porto reacon beef They think they're different. We don't all right It's all the same no, it is. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right now anything else about that though specifically Not just in general just I'm just saying I'm just saying maybe there's a little dominican porto reacon beef That you can talk about maybe No Nothing at all. What are y'all talking about? Are you in love? Just answer the question. Listen, man. I'm out here chilling this holiday time Yo, why I gotta like anybody?  I'm not trying to do this all the time y'all doing this all the time What are we doing all the time, yo? Do you like her or not? Just admit it. Yeah, we good. We're chilling. No, man. Is that your mouth? What's up with y'all, man? Do you have a fan? Tim's in her house. Tim's there When the Tim's are there That is beautiful, man That is beautiful. Wow Let's pay some bills, man So did you walk home barefoot? That's his way of marking his territory. Some people plant trees Wax plants the boot that have the tree on it in the house Boom genius. That's it. And then other guys would know if they came in they'd be like, hey, why is there a size 13? Tim and here. Exactly. Don't stay away from my girl. There you go. So it is your girl Okay I like this. This is really great. Thanks, Alex. It's beautiful, man Listen, I'm not mad. I'm cool. It's what says holiday time is cool. You know what I'm saying You gonna get a thumb for Christmas? I guess what you're supposed to do. It's not what you're supposed to do Come on, Taylor. Now when you're supposed to go, uh Yeah, give us another uh That's beautiful.  You should get her that subscription at Disney plus Whoa, can we come back and talk about that? 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Yeah, it just happened to come up.   That's the best excuse ever you was with me What do you want to talk about? Huh? No, no, she got she got flowers Is the flower a period joke? Tell her about you what you got. No, somebody be sending her flowers here and there. This is the reason why I got it. Yes So someone wants to come to the show And this was Justin Bieber and some other guy or whatever right there and they were doing like a combined project And they sent me Now They sent me deodorant deodorant That's what they sent me. That was? Yes Why would they send you deodorant? Because that's a project they're doing. I don't know Why would they send you deodorant? Because it's made with charcoal and all that stuff. Don't do that.  All right, so are you using the good flowers? Can we do a smell test? Do you feel comfortable with us doing a smell test? Let me smell arm all the way up. No, why are you worried?  There wasn't no deodorant in that bag What that's like tampons somebody sent tampons for what? How many deodorants was it? It was like three for all of y'all You sure yellow go get it. Where's the bad guy? Oh my god. I'm not getting it. Can I smell?  No, he's supposed to hold on Taylor Oh Wait a minute. This is very important. I know what's going on here I mean this seriously. I know in the winter months often people with that a stink don't put on deodorant because I think it's cold You're warm inside You're hot. You're running.  No, all right, then what you worried about Well, next time you smell I feel good if I ever catch you smelling can I can I tell? Like a pet store If I'm out of the stink, how would you tell me? How should I tell you if you're ever stink? You stink. You stink. Okay Now Oh, were you gonna relay some information? No, I haven't smelled there.  It's just one whip And same arm.  It's a little central parky Instead of when they see us when they smell us just a little Just a tad Just a tad So this this was going on in the brain I We gotta get out of here. Let's talk about Collin before we go. Yes. This is big news, man What do you think Collin cap and you gotta try out on saturday It's coming this saturday this saturday, right? So this saturday. He has the try out. We'll try you know I think any team can show up. Yes. The nfl is holding a workout for Collin cap and nick on saturday They sent out a uh league memo on tuesday Tuesday afternoon and um, I think I think a few teams were already scheduled to be there But now that they sent the the memo out league wide I guess the other teams don't want to look bad. So they like And the reason this is a good thing is because yeah, but the nfl called this workout So being at the nfl called this workout, then that's uh, that's the bat signal to say This guy's good. Y'all can sign him now question. Do you think this is the influence of of jz in any way shape or form?  I am a pink. It's never been three nose Carter I I I would I would I would think so and the reason I say I would think so is because when you have somebody on the inside That is not letting up on this one thing whether or not people think You know, this is something he may have been pushing or not. I think I think yes And not only not only just to influence a whole just to influence the people who won't let it go Oh, you know what I'm saying social media. Yeah, this is social media. This is the cap. This is all these things But this is what we were talking about This is nestled. This is air agree. This is everybody who will not let it go. I'm with cap.  This is just brilliant. It's logic I'm of course I'm thinking he did right if you're at that table and it's people that can dismiss things on social media like Oh, that's just social media talking and cannot like jays like no, this is this the real shit It's really a thing. You know, I mean people at rock nation like not it's really this is really a thing You can't dismiss it. So I don't know if j had any influence tonight. We'll never know because that's not how he moves You know, I'm saying so even better. Yeah, he don't he don't move like that But but pay attention.  I mean you gotta see because just because hove was inside the room. I think it's still made it Hope probably ain't say nothing. I think just because he did I think if collin Gets back in the league and uh, I don't see why he would not make a team this saturday Because especially the way quarterbacks have been dropping like flies in the NFL this year He should make somebody's roster If he's going to be back in the league, he should absolutely be a part of the NFL social justice initiative You know, I'm saying not being a part of it because he's got his own we know you're right camp But partnering with partnering with them. Yeah, like like like if you're going to play in the league You should definitely have a seat at the table of the NFL social justice initiative And why wouldn't you want to 100 it makes no it makes zero sense for you not to because me personally I think collin cap makes bigger than the NFL. I think what he represents is bigger than the NFL But I and I also think that it's like, you know, I think it's kind of wack to bash the NFL But still want to be a part of it, but if playing makes you happy I support him 120 million percent, but if you're going to be in the league Use that platform for more than just football If the NFL has social justice initiatives, whether it's impact change or Whatever the players coalition is trying to do.  I'll be a part of it Be a part of it. You're collin capping. It's bigger than you. It's bigger than you.  And how long did Ali take off when he was Three years of some change and how long is capping on three years of some change Listen, there's interesting parallels. It could be really cool. It could be a great redemption story I mean, you never know Honestly, I don't know what the quarterback lineup in the Baltimore Ravens is right now, but I'll tell you one thing Lamar Jackson is playing on an MVP level never seen anything like it.  Imagine you had another quarterback It could be mobile if he needed to be Good arm strength to step in for a few games in the event. Your schemes don't have to change He won't want to he won't want to start though. He ain't gonna want to be behind nobody You don't think he's gonna start You could start right now But wouldn't you rather him be on a team that was successful? I wanted to be on a team that's successful I'll go to the Falcon Make a team successful some some teams just need a quarterback right now Falcons got 40 black season ticket holders.   Maybe cap with the Patriots.  He could be a lot. Anyway, man But I'm happy for him. I'm sending him positive energy Right. Um, if being in the NFL is what makes him happy great, you know, uh NFL finally came to their senses. I don't know if Jay had anything to do with it or not But I'm just happy that he's let people change. What do we always say? Absolutely. What do we let people evolve let people change If it's the NFL, let it evolve. Yeah, absolutely. Let it change. Absolutely. Like we can't ask for certain Treatment for ourselves and not bestowing on others.  This is wrong. Let's give the brother another shot. It worked, bro It's it's it worked and honestly, you know what the best knee is disney I agreed I never want the disney even as a kid because we couldn't afford it, but this is like one of the best experiences in my life for real They have to do all that I didn't think I was gonna like it man. I started to shot her out just now The fact she made you that vulnerable the way you say She's one of the most happiest experiences you've ever had in life Y'all have fun with y'all with the disney when y'all was young, right? What y'all want the disney when y'all was young y'all have fun? I thought you talking about the girl What are you talking about? I really want the disney All right, man As always listen man. 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Okay, which I think is like this weird I think this is this weird social media phenomenon where you can like meet somebody right and then you can Admire their personality their hijinks and then you find their art after correct, right? Yeah, I'm here at black youngster right now All right Dude i'm telling you There's part of me that watches this and goes this is completely organic This is just happening in the moment when you're outside of a gas station just throwing money everywhere like pouring out the syrup Like all these like antics. They're just so great. Then there's other part of me that like Is this guy a marketing genius? Is this guy like vince mcman?  And you're like, I know what works and i'm leading into it. Which one is it? I'm gonna keep learning Organic like I ain't in the moment. Yeah in the moment. I don't I don't be planning to do nothing Like I never plan. I just do it. I don't think I do it. Well, I don't think I plan I probably I'm gonna go turn up to that on the ground and then whenever I find something I'm doing I'll just go So, you know, it'll be lit But you have to know what people are into obviously the money stuff is the money stuff is gonna work Keep the money that always works. I know this based off of Out of the memes if you're not a meme if you're not a meme, you're not you're not you know You need to get off instagram So if you are not involved in the meme culture at all, then they do nothing that video wasn't it wanted success for me So it's like if I if I post something and I ain't gonna become a meme It's kind of like I didn't want to success But if it become a meme then it's like yeah, that was it and how do you keep track of people are meming you? I mean the thing is every video don't be a meme I can post 10 videos today And I don't know maybe what maybe one of them might be a meme Yeah, so like you gotta just keep going to your head like hitting the lottery Yeah, and it become a meme it bring more attraction bring it to your page because everybody's working for you. Yeah Thank you. Yes Okay Okay, okay, I hear you man. You see with steven a smith all the time you fall sports Yeah, I don't I know you tell me but I don't really like I don't really like sports. Why I don't know That's just I always feel like it was gay Keep going why you guys in tight outfits tackling each other. It's gay No, I'm football count a little rough basketball. I ain't saying gay like with them playing the players I'm saying far as like just a lot of dudes sitting on the couch looking at a lot of dudes. Yeah There's a lot of dudes But isn't that what we do with you we sit on the couch and we're looking at you I don't know.  No, but it's kind of like my I'm on a serious note though. Yeah, like when I was coming up I used to always watch people just like it's uh the guy and they on the couch Super deep just if I sit up like playing games watching games. Yeah, every life is not a game Yeah, life is real. Yeah here like what's the Well, maybe that's why we like sports, right?  So sports sports is needed.  Yeah, it's not like on the streets.   It's final Right, you know what I mean with sports. I think it's nice. It's like we have this illusion of seriousness It looks like it's war. Right.  It's like this safe version of war. I'm gonna keep it on honey, bro All right, so when I play football, I'm thinking I'm just just I'm still mad about like I would like to be over like it They weren't throwing you the ball They did me wrong brother They cursed you? No you can't You got me hanging bro that's all right, bro I'll talk it up to my whiteness No, but I uh, yeah that I'm like that So look then I got on basketball court. Yeah, I said, I know they gonna see me for show. This is inside This ain't no long y'all don't feel nothing. I ain't too far from you.  Yeah, but this basketball now.  I'm like, yeah.      Yeah, so Man, I'm coming. All right. This is dude. He from my neighborhood when I was coming up He was like the weakest dude in the neighborhood super weak But all he can do is play basketball. So I would like the guys I like the guys just do ever I was so guys didn't make no sense Like he could when he see me walking down the street. He got he get out my way So we on the court. Yeah, I'm coming out of court with a jump.  So he get the ball. So I'm like boom. I'm like, I'm too tough I don't get out his way. So he come out on the court I'm thinking he's gonna be nice to me like because I'm gangster.  I don't give no trouble But Circumstantially, these are things that you had to do to survive or you made really bad decisions. You wish you No, I had to survive and then once I survived it I just got a hand of their life and I just kept going at it That's why I smile so much. Like how you able to look at me on instagram smile I'm like there because I'm really gangster You never noticed like people don't play with me talk to yeah talk to me about this What do you mean because it's like it's like a lot of people they uh Mike let's mic up a little bit. It was a lot of people's a lot of people's kind of like They um, they gotta have a mean face. How they do Yes, well, it's just you know, just a super. I'm trying to scare you look. Yes me. I don't have to have it I'm a real gangster. I grew up where it was like the gangsters played football with the kids Lev dance hit the cha cha, you know what I'm saying Be a thang, you know I'm saying hey, baby, you know you you you live your life So it's like when you when I was like damn if I'm if I'm so guys I'm like if I switch it up with me being why if I switch up and start being happy and smile them or They don't get me farther than anything. So I'm like, right. Yes. I'd rather be happy like Couldn't nobody like I'd have been got tried if I wouldn't living like this for real like Somebody would have me you weren't you weren't concerned that like having this fun exterior Would would remove some of the like fear that being gangster induces. No never not never because you seem to me so approachable you know, uh Just kind of like but you ask you for a picture. You were so cool about it. You know, the thing is you're not a gangster Ah So you so what gave that away? So if you was a gangster, you do you the automatic notice. He's a gangster I notice your handshake was a little bit gangster.  They do this Can you with it?  It's a vast for it. You got some people saying something.  Okay. Yeah.  Yeah, that can be cool. But the geysers saying i'm soft I ain't saying you saw them just saying you're not a gangster You're right.    Everybody in video bro.  I remind you like a happy song. Like yeah, there's some I sing happy Happy birthday Are you saying happy birthday happy black or white happy birthday, man. I'm in your okay Happy birthday to you Happy happy birthday to you Happy birthday happy birthday to you Happy birthday Black young stuff. So like the camera get to me the camera get to me get what I did I have to say I can't hold I can't hold it in I said evening is not so Because you knew they're all Active for this camera. This is a nice song.  I gotta get more information I get more connection. I get put up on game about certain things when I was mean looking I ain't even want to talk to people that information I ain't even want to talk to the male man.  Let me cut you real fast. Go go go Hey, so look I'm looking for a couple to marry and um I need to I need to have a car my farm so I pay for a win I got my uh my minister license now.  Can you tell him with the car?  No k Yeah, please I got my I got my new That's about three cutoff It's inside. I is reversible. Ah, yeah, got you. This is my new merch. You gotta go to heavy cams.com to Purchase your jacket right get an ace out because they sitting out. They they they going fast and easy Yeah, and I got my album coming out church on Sunday on november 29th. I got um christ brown feature on it Okay, I got um p.m. B rock feature on it. I got your guided money bag feature on it I got um city girls jt in young man both of them. I got the baby And I got many more and I got uh, I got my tour coming up church on Sunday tour We just did overseas so that so that overseas. Yeah, now we're done overseas. Where'd you go overseas?  Where it it it I love this guy I want to come with the I want to cope coberhagen coberhagen won't get nasty. I'm calling it I'm calling it and I uh from now on it's it It's not italy solar italians You're Italian I start uh church on sunday to a january affair I'll be going on tour for church on sunday in the united states. Yeah, and I got my show in miffus I release concert on the 29th and mingle will how Now you're from Memphis. Okay Why are you guys so good at killing? Hmm Memphis you always killed me I was gangster No, Memphis the first 48 There's a reason why they shoot that there. I ain't kidding. Anna. It's it's serious. Why? What is it about it? I mean, I've been to Memphis. It's nice. The food is good. Okay. It the the the well, I don't know much more But real talk like after that barbecue, right? How are you not too exhausted to kill? It's kind of like mine like the kids they come they could they grow up and it's like For example when I was coming up. Yeah, I don't say when I was coming up I'm gonna say some super guys and I don't want to say what I did. I didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't do it Allegedly. Yeah. I didn't do it.  How do you stop that? You can't stop it. So that's just something that will exist forever people have babies Just so they can grow up to take the other side out like it's like, huh Yeah, like Yeah, and who it all is but how would you stop it? Let's say you're reverent black, right? Let's say you want to end the violence, right? What would be your suggestion?  It never stops. Man.  I advise you not to squash it. They playing you They playing both sides.   Why rock like a baby Why sit with me? Dude you got so many good hints, bro I need some credit on this dude. I need that writing credit I need that Beyonce writing credit. No, it's just crazy. Memphis over Really, I wish I could help more like right now. I'm a spokesperson for juvenile court Okay, I go help all the kids. They got like Pistol charges and stuff done charges or whatever Uh, sold them things and I try to help them out like uh getting out of jail Get jobs and talk to them keeping my trouble like I had to go speak like Both times after year was it weird making money legit for the first time in your life It was super weird. I still was trying to handle like I was just doing something illegal It is like like for example, I got to pay 2500 for my for my first little show now. I got five trip I got 5000 then I took the money Uh, they put in my account put the money my account. Yeah, so I'm like damn, man. I got 2500 sitting in the count I'm uh, that's how I'm looking at.  Yeah for my say something. They might don't give me I want to the bank. I said I'm gonna get some money out. She said how much I said how much is one in there? She said, um, sir 2500 I said I want 25 Look, she said what are you gonna do with it? I said, I don't know They said if it's in the bank that ours don't get it. She said she said sir, they still gonna get it because it counts All right, I'll leave it but I'll pay taxes though I'll pay taxes though. It was just the beginning when I first came in is that is that another tough thing also It's like you're dealing with all your money I even feel like this when I first started making money You have to rely on certain people look after your money No, me So you look after every penny you're paying bro. I don't play because I have to pay them I have to pay the areas like I'm gonna pay them But you don't have a business manager or nothing like that Yeah, I got I got all of it, but I still look at mine. What do they say when they see your Instagram? I don't even see nothing.  Yeah. I want to the bank. I said I want two million dollars They said come in Thursday. I said, okay came in Thursday Yeah Yes, I came in Thursday. I came in Thursday They gave me to me. I did my video went right back to the bank. They'll fit clothes. I said, I'm with the dope knock I've got some money. Yeah They let me in I give them money back. I like hunt put it back in my account. So it's why use real money Why not use the fake money? No, man. I can't do it because you know because you have it, right?  Like right if they can't afford it It's fake But if they can like if bill gates wears a pair of fake sneakers It don't make any difference and he could buy the Nike if he wants to you kind of got a point like but We're not gonna we're not gonna drive their car Huh, I don't want to be in your car.  You don't even know me. We saw happy I'm sorry, man, but you forced me to be like this.  Like if you got the money Fake I get your point But the thing is Man, if you can't afford this, you don't put it on because you still get you you make it like me I can't wear anything fake because if I put some fake on I'm encouraging my fans to go buy this for real for real All right, so they your current gender by the fiction They encourage them about a real thing. It's like I can't even give them advice on eight No, this ain't real. I'm gonna get that Like if I go pay $50 for Gucci jacket then one of my fans they see me with it on They gonna automatically because I'm rich.  I don't want to see people go broke So you feel like a a responsibility.  They don't have a flex Think about the richest people dude real time Warren Buffett drives a Honda. They don't they don't never flex They don't ever flex, but guess what? They this because they came out the womb rich No, there are guys that made it from nothing, right? Yeah, I'm sure they flexed on the way up Don't get me wrong. I'm sure on the way up They flexed but then when they got real money and then they realized I don't gotta impress these broke mother That's what I mean now like I'm with this one I just liked on cash, bro. Yeah, it was the point.  I know why can't use that as an expense as entertainment It's like you go on a show you get an inspiration. You're listening to music I gotta talk to your accountant. You could write that off the thing is But take me out the thing is you only I only can write it off if I like this say for example If I hired them to like extra do something for me like when you throw them in the strip club They can't they can't count on what you do. You can say I got through this right here We don't know that like they it's kind of like unless you get the money from the strip club No, the thing is you got to get it from the bank in order for them to know You can't go to the strip club in China like so now when I go to the strip club I order my ones from the bank so I can get it as a use as a write-off and I let them know what I'm about to do Okay. Oh, you're sharp.  That's the thing I can do it. It's just then And you have you're watching your money completely out of anybody else looking after it. No, no, no, I'm doing it Wow, it doesn't intimidate you. You're not like I'm smart. I'm very intelligent Yeah, I am financially illiterate so basically what I'm trying to tell you is I do everything with the bank now When I want to go strip club, they have to have to order my ones They really want to write out or like right now if I want and if I need ones I call my banker my accountant. I need this many ones Go to the bank get it. They'll ship this. They'll ship it in the mail They have to really I don't ship ones in the mail before I ship like 50,000 A lot of different ones in the mail Now how different is the way that you get treated your bank now from the first time you walked in?  Like what have you learned about people from being wealthy and the way they change in the way they treat you They treat you based off how successful you are. Um, I feel like I don't know but me I'm a I'm a real person Like yeah, they ain't treat me no different than you and learn that you treat me now Yeah, so majority of people out of me they kind of treat me the same way Like how I expect them to be expected to be treated. I don't really get that Super speed. I'm first of all, I'm uh, unerrated as you say unerrated like underrated. They're underrated So yeah, they've been saying you they automatically don't look over me So when they see me, they're gonna be a little more humble to me in a way on them because they They don't look at me like I'm on a drink level. You know, like yeah, you feel I'm saying or Kanye level. So yeah, I'm I'm down. They're gonna get a better understanding a better Conversation out of person quicker than a Kanye or get out of person.   Yo, you might really be You might really believe you're a gangster Like you know you're saying where you believe it inside So you don't need to prove it. Right. I think that extends outside of Intimidation, right? I think the people who really know themselves Don't feel in need to prove themselves This is how I'll tell you So guess what? I wish I listened now use a gangster Watch out, bro Happy birthday to everybody in here.   I'm just glad to be here, bro I'm glad to be here doing an interview with you.  I feel good. I smoked some weed this morning I'm kind of sick, but it's okay. We don't get to do ever. Do you ever get like Do you ever get down or are there like disappointing things? Correct. And how do you handle those? How do you handle that? How do you bounce back from your? Disappointments or maybe a song didn't go the way You wanted to go or an interaction or a business thing didn't go the way you want to go. Do you dwell in that or Can you bring yourself back? No, I just keep pushing For the most part I have a family like, you know, I got kids and stuff and I got moms and she depend on me I lost two brothers So I know at the end of the day like no matter what I go through I really go through it and let them go through it But I really kill myself or be dead before I see them go through it. Really? Yeah Like I can't I can't allow it to happen. So what happened to your brothers? They got they got shot Oh street stuff street stuff. Really? I don't want to talk about. Yeah, we don't have to. Yeah, I appreciate you Yeah, so most for the most part it's kind of like, uh Man, I know at the end of the day my mama waiting on me Like, you know, I'm saying she waiting on me to get home. She waiting on me come right, right, right Before I go to my house. I gotta go to my mom's house. No, I'm home Then I go home when when so she can go to sleep. You feel me 100% When when these good things start happening and you come from a place where it seems like so many bad things have happened Do you start going like is someone looking out for me? Like do you get religious in that moment?  Like I know that you said good. I said good things The good things are my bad things. No, no, like there are all these bad things that happen earlier in life, right? All these crazy Now good things start to happen.  Great Just part of you start to go Is this divine intervention? Is this why me? Why of all the people surrounding am I the one that gets chosen?  Yeah in my head. I was a big rapper I was rich anytime. I want to sleep.   So you always know Yeah, so I always felt like I'm rich as hell.  I'm coming I'm still on this nick so I get there now what I've been doing when you would walk through the airport before you were famous Did you imagine what it would be like? I already knew you already knew I knew I swear to God.  I'm doing this and they and they don't go through for me Yeah, I for like I probably just tell them my dream. Yeah, I'm for to do this right here I'm for to do that right there. Yeah, do this because I'm out of promise me something Then you don't go through for me.  He can tell me right now. Hey Mom forget a record deal tomorrow. This is right here. This is right there.   I'm like damn, bro I'm sorry. I'm sorry for that bro. No, I'm saying I'm gonna try to help you Like I'm just saying for example like yeah, yeah people be mine.  Some people get that squashed on a daily basis. Don't be too big Don't try to ask for too much right who put that in your head honestly to be honest with me, bro like All my problems I had and I went through in life I had to get myself out of them and I put myself in them So like I was like my my mom was like my dad and my grandma. She was like my mom So with that being said, I still had other brothers I got I had three other brothers that I had to take her up and I was like they daddy You know what I'm saying? Oh god, dad or soda or whatever you put So it's kind of like I couldn't I couldn't really wait around I was always nosy when I was little because I needed to know certain things Not that I want to know. I didn't want to know how to smoke.  I'm extra. I'm extra. I mentioned they eat tonight. Let me see how long I'm looking at problems I want bullshit, bro. I was I was there for my brothers. I was a father coming up, bro I've been a father all my life I taught myself how to dream this basically I'm the point. I'm trying to get to I taught myself Do you know about teaching me shit? I ain't had no daddy. I had my mom and my grandma is it And I hid everything from them So I never told them what I was doing so it's like never yeah, nah They knew Prada, but I ain't never tell them but so I hear shit so I couldn't go to certain people for a certain advice bro because they wouldn't like how like I was You know I'm saying like they weren't living like me. I was living a whole nother way They live in this way And I was living this way and you could just you could just stomach those things like there was never a time You just need to like vent to a friend or a girl or something like that You would just and you take all of it to yourself.  So like there was like this coming up like when I'm coming up She wasn't going right for me, bro.  She keep going. Just don't worry about it. Okay And I just do my time brain. I am keep the honey, bro. I'm straight.  Yeah, like it's like bro like When me it's kind of like bro like I know I'm I know what I'm what I'm gonna do 10 years from now and 20 years from now 30 years from now My life I already planned out. I'm not ready to play my life out.  Yeah No, I got you. I know I got my notes.  Lil, can you please write this down for me? Thank you, darling I'm going in and out. You know what I'm saying?  We going we going at it 10 years from now. Where are you? Oh, I'm gonna be really super super super successful. I'm really I'm trying to I'm trying to get that billion You want to be a billion? You want to be a billionaire? Yeah, JZ worth a billion. So why can't why I can't be worth a billion? What is it? I've always been curious about being a billionaire and why why we put that as like a as like a goal Right because for me like A billion dollars is kind of like a, you know in basketball a triple double, right? It's like it's an even thing, but it's really no better Than another statistic that's close. Like let's say you average 30 points a game 10 rebounds Ninesis, right? Is that that much worse than averaging 30 10 and 10?  You're already a billionaire. Yeah, that's what you're saying So basically what i'm saying is like to be honest i'm gonna go hard all the way till i turn 50 And then i turn 50 i'm gonna go back to it. I never got a chance to be a kid, bro I want to be a kid again. So you're gonna benjamin button the game. Yeah, man.  No, sir.  I'm gonna make sure i'm set up.  Yeah Yeah, i still want to ride boats and i want to ride the boat No, i'm saying i'm just been on it. Yeah. So This might go Dude, i appreciate you so much for coming in I think i'm more fascinated now that i've met you in person But it's one of these things that It happens over and over again like when i see people Especially on social media having consistent success not one video that pops but consistent success right I never underestimate how much they understand the field that they're in And whenever i meet them it's always confirmed that they know exactly what they're doing right so it's cool It's cool to see it was great to meet you man. I really appreciate you doing this. Thank you so much Thanks a lot for coming in guys