showcasing the leaders behind the headlines in the telecom and data center infrastructure industry. Welcome, welcome, welcome, everybody. We are live yet again with our podcast series, Data Movers. I'm your host, Jamie Scotto-Cotaia, CEO and founder of JSA. Along with my fabulous co-host, you know him and love him just as much as I do. Top B2B social influencer, Mr. Evan Kirstal. Hey Evan. Hey Jamie, it's Friday. We made it to JIA for everyone and welcome to Data Movers where we sit down with Husu and the data center world leading today's digital revolution and beyond. So Jamie, it's been a big news week all around, but also in tech. Started the week with the huge Apple reveal. What's your big takeaway? Vision Pro is going to change the world. Is that how I see it?  What are advertising opportunities going to...  How about you? Yeah, I'll have one. I'll have one of everything in Apple, including the new MacBook 15-inch Air, which is phenomenal. But yeah, I mean, it's going to be it's going to be a four or five year cycle to really turn this into the ultimate consumer product. But so many compelling uses for spatial computing, you'll be able to capture your three-year-old's memories in 3D and sort of relive them in the multiverse at a later time. What a fascinating use case and so many more. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Ava turns three next weekend. So I wish I had those goggles to capture right now. But also, you know, there is a little scary part to it. Like, well, I live behind... Like, I'm glad that they can see you and like you can engage a little bit more than previous optical wearables. But, you know, I also... I hope we don't all become, you know, disenchanted with one another, unassociated in a way, you know, living in our little bubbles, but... I can't wait to live in the bubble and just tune everything out. Everything is going to disappear and I'll be just finally alone to my own devices. He's like, plug me in. Plug me in. Tune in and turn out. But speaking of tuning in, we're going to tune in to a fantastic guest today. Yeah, and good, good little transition there. Love it, love it. All right, so guys, here at Data Movers, as you know, we always love to get our guests that are so interesting here. There are background stories, their careers, high as lows, what made them, them and their unique perspectives, of course, on the future of our industry. And we are so excited today with our guest, Mr. Pratik Chakravarty, CEO of Zinnier, a California-based company dedicated to accelerating the digital transformation across field service organizations. Welcome, Pratik. Hey, Jamie. Hi, Evan. Thank you. Thank you for having me here. Yeah, good to see you. And I love this topic because although digital transformation is such a trending topic, it's all the rage, obviously, through the pandemic, we saw 10 years of digital transformation in a couple of years. But I'm really curious, on your perspective of how different industries will adopt different use cases like field service in their respective industry. So before we jump into that, maybe introduce yourself, your background and how it led you to specialize in your current role at Zinnier. Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Evan. It was fortunate to start my careers on the front lines. Right out of engineering undergrad, I got an opportunity to work on drilling rigs. Wow. And this was during the dot-com boom where every person, every other person was learning how to code. I never wanted to pick it up for some reason. The attraction for me was going out and meeting more people. So Serendipity, I ended up on the front lines. I spent five years in oil and gas. I spent three years working as an engineer in the utility, fixing electric wires and gas pipelines. So in many ways, that kind of formed the core of who I am and what excites me. Got to see the real world problems out there. And then when I moved into my entrepreneurship journey over the last 15 years, my goal is to just solve real world problems. My first startup was helping utilities, adopt the climate change revolution and save energy. My current company, it's about driving digital transformation in infrastructure related industries where we can help frontline workers to the job better. The past experiences have led me to who I am and just solve some meaningful real world problems and hopefully make the world a better place. Love that, absolutely. So in line with us here as well in our core mission at JSA. So Tommy, you mentioned oil and gas, utilities, other infrastructure related industries that you've been able to observe and even transform. What do you find are the pitfalls for these industries as they embark on the digital transformation journeys? Yeah, good question, Jim. One thing to note here is these infrastructure industries are, when I'm generalizing here, are typically laggards when it comes to tech adoption, right? This by no way means that they are less important. They're very important to the core development of our economy. Now when these industries, when they hear the buzzwords, right? You have a workforce, unlike other tech companies, they are all over them. The majority of them are working on the front lines and not at the desk. Imagine the tech adoption curve becomes very tough. Now, when these companies embark on digital transformation, they tend to think of it as a project or let me take a tech tool and just implement it. The sort of realizing that there's that processes have to change, that mindset becomes very, right? How kind of related to that is how do you align all your stakeholders across the board, right? Embracing that change, understanding what is required, how it fits into the process becomes very, very important. And in fact, I mentioned that I started my career on the front lines 20, 25 years back. Now, when we talk to infrastructure companies, some of the same problems still exist. Some of the same problems still exist in the feed, right? Why have they not been solved? Other companies not doing enough, so it's adoption becomes very, very difficult. So having that process mindset instead of using it as one tool or one product to plug it into their existing system and solve is the key. Absolutely. So what are some of these specific pitfalls or roadblocks that you find in these infrastructure related industries, as they embark on their digital transformation journeys? And how do you kind of identify and overcome those? Yeah, yeah, when you talk about all of these field-based industries and how they operate, to look at the evolution, we have been working on tenant paper, right? That's how it started. The industries have existed for ages. This is core to our economy. And when I was working in the oil and gas fields or utilities, we would do our jobs on a whiteboard on a piece of paper and get it done. And things are still operating. The basic question that comes up is, do we need it? Do we need technology, right? Do we really need technology? So from that perspective, the step one becomes, can I drive an ROI and help them understand what are the benefits of technology? The second challenge we face is, hey, there's always a hesitation to adopt technology. People working in the field, imagine the frontline folks. They're not people like us who are working behind the desk. They are doing a day-to-day job on the field and they have been doing it in a certain way. When you try to introduce technology to them, give them an iPad to get the job done, they're raising their hesitation to adopt it. Yeah. Some of the basic challenges that we pick up in the field that we have to fight through to help them understand the benefits. You know, and that makes me think, I was watching the news this morning, we're California based, both of us. And the dock workers, they're not just protesting, better wages, more safer environments, but they're also protesting automation and what AI may be doing to their jobs come the next decade or faster. So, you know, that kind of leads me to, what are your thoughts on the role of AI in industry 4.0, if you will? And what does it mean to these frontline workforce? Yeah, I'm a huge AI fan. Let me take it in a different way. See, I believe what's important to understand why a certain thing is important. One of the recent books I read was starting with a Y by Simon Sinek. Whether it's an organization like us, whether it's a technology, it is always important to start with Y, not with what. Why I am passionate, why we are passionate about infrastructure frontline workers is because we want to make the lives of the frontline workers better. We want to empower them, enable them to succeed in their jobs. And why it is important? 20 years back, Evan, Jamie, when I started my career in the field, people wanted to go out and work in the field. Think about this, the top five companies, none of them were technology companies. There were oil and gas companies, there were conglomerates, there were retail. Everyone had people in the field. The world has changed. Every other person now is coding. Rightly so, technology has changed our lives. So, people do not want to go into the field. People are not going into the frontlines. You're facing a labor shortage. The work doesn't stop. You still need infrastructure industries to drive economy. So, if the CEOs of these companies and leaders, like all of us, to not care about the people, we will not succeed. You can keep talking about AI and everything, but how AI impacts the frontlines becomes important. So that's why I'm passionate about it. Technology is always there. The second aspect is AI has been there since the 1950s. With generative AI, this will only continue to increase. So we cannot shut our eyes and say, no, no, it doesn't impact us. It does in a good way. So the key becomes, let's get ahead of us. If I am the CEO of an infrastructure company, I would be saying, hey, what can I do to train my frontline workers to adopt AI, to re-skill them, to re-train them, right? There will be a new series of skills that are required. But not adopting it, you're just pushing the industries 20 years back, right? Whether you're talking about simple generative AI stuff, like, hey, a person is going into the field to fix an asset. I can pull up a generative AI chat, GPT, and let the person ask questions from my own database to understand what was done on the asset before, right? You can just simple type or voice chat and get all the history and get tips of what can be done. The opportunities are myriad. And you just need that mindset to adopt it, to make life of these frontline workers. And that is why I'm super excited about AI. Not just because of the technology, but because of the impact. Impressive. So let's drill down on that a little bit deeper. So, you know, chat GPT is now in the national global consciousness, but it's kind of been a fun toy for most of us. But you're going really practical with this enhancement to your field service solution with chat GPT, you know, large language model, to allow conversational, you know, natural interaction with your app. So how does that work in reality? Tell us more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll just share a quick anecdote about the powers of chat GPT, yeah. We all are excited. It's a buzzword. I truly believe it's transformational. And I'll give you a simple example that is outside the domain of frontline workers. I think we were sharing, I was at my grad school reunion in Boston this past weekend. So we had a professor, you know, he was talking about AI and stuff. And he did a cool demo. He pulled up a chat GPT app. He had written a case, a business case. He had uploaded the business case in the chat GPT. And he started interacting with the chat GPT, asking questions from the case, as if he was a student. Hey, I'm a student here. Can you please summarize this in three words? Or if I were to take an angle of a finance undergrad, how would I approach it? And in other words, this was stunning. We had an audience of 600 people watching in a natural language model. So chat GPT is powerful. It is about how we generate a way of how we use it. How we use it becomes important. So I don't think it's a buzzword, it's real. In our case, you know, a few examples that I will share it.  If I don't get the support, I will have to come back and make another trip, right? That is money, that costs money, that we lose productivity. And I train a natural language model to use data from my company's past history, so that I can ask questions and get insights into what should I be doing? Another simple example is customer issues. So let's say I onboard a customer on the platform, customer will have questions, right? Today they will call a support desk and try to ask and, you know, we handle that well. And I train them to let customers have access to it. So the key here is, can you find use cases that will add value to the customers, to the companies, and then implement the technology? I don't think this is perfect. I mean, this will change. Internally, I'll give you an example. This will cut down the development time of our coders. And our coders record something they'll have to think through and they'll have a problem solved. That will be a huge advantage. Massive, massive changes that will come to it. And then we are gearing up, we are gearing up to stay ahead of the curve and make some of the benefits and go to the front lines, which unlike the previous years, given you have a technology evolution, it could stay to people like us who are good with technology. It could not go to the front lines. And that's why they insist, that's why for digital transformation to a sense. Yeah, and you know, here at JSA, we've been playing with chat to BT and other AI tools as well. And you know, we're very cognizant too that there are some things to be aware of, shall we say, while implementing AI. So when we talk about infrastructure related industries, what should we be cognizant of? What are the pitfalls potentially when dealing with implementing AI? Yeah, you see, to me, if you ask me, what's the biggest threat to my business, I would say it's data security and privacy. It will always be front and center, especially when you're moving into a realm of AI and artificial intelligence, using data across the board. We have to stay on top of it. Cyber security threats would come in. So keeping an eye on security, privacy, Europe is doing a great job at that. I would say they are more aware and ahead of the curve. Even the regulations that as a software company, we have to meet, I appreciate that. But to me, that's the big area. While we get enamored with technology and the benefits and the value, keeping an eye on unsexy side of things where let's do things correctly, let's make sure we are protecting the privacy of folks out here. To me, that's the biggest threat and cybersecurity threat will keep rising up. It's a real thing. It's not if it happens, it's a question of when it happens, are we ready for it? Yeah, couldn't agree more. All right, Evan, now we're off to that rapid fire. Questions wanna kick us off? Yeah, this is fun. We're really looking forward to embarrassing you in some way. Getting more into who you are, I don't know. It's Friday, it's Friday after all, yeah, absolutely. Friday. All right, so we're in the app economy. Everyone's obsessed with apps. Just tell us what's on the front screen, your home screen on your phone. What app or apps do you really use day in, day out? Yeah, I'll give you a boring answer, it's LinkedIn. Ah! Oh yeah, me too. I'm obsessed over LinkedIn with the reading stuff or finding people, connecting with people, finding people to hire, it's LinkedIn. My wife tells me to spend more time on LinkedIn than with her. So. Well, I just sent you an invite, so I'll go to the app for that. Just make sure you're communicating with your wife through LinkedIn in the news. Yes. And you mentioned starting with the why, I noted that. But what is the latest business book that you would recommend? Yeah, that's the latest one I actually read, but I'll tell you another one. I read the autobiography of Phil Knight. That's a good one. That's the most recent one I've read before starting with the why. Just the history of Nike and how it all started. I'm a huge fan of Onitsuka Tiger, the Japanese brand. I didn't know that Nike and Onitsuka Tiger had common synergies. But even just through adversity, how to start the company, I do read a lot of autobiographies, so I thought that one was good. Yeah, the movie Air was sort of based on that story is really good as well. Nice. So we're all geeks here to some degree. What futuristic tech are you hoping will become a reality? And when and why? You know, I wish I could travel at the speed of thought. Fantasy. I love traveling. I love going to places. The getting there part is painful. So fantasy, maybe Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos comes up with something. But I wish if I want to be in Tokyo, my mind can go there in five seconds. Can I at least be there in 30 minutes or an hour? So that's my hope. I think that's one of Ron's early visions for SpaceX was point to point transportation. Yeah, rocket. So I'm not sure how easy that would be to keep your lunch and get there in 30 minutes. But if one day, who knows? I actually thought you might say augmented reality given the field service opportunities there. I imagine you're looking at a hard or field training. See, that's there. I mean, it will happen. I'm telling you my fantasy. Yeah. Yeah. It just happens already there. Bring me up, Scotty. Just take me there. Yeah. We reorganize my molecules somewhere else. I'll tell you another one. Oh, yeah. I want to travel back in the past. I'm telling you about my fantasies now, but there are moments in history where I wish I was there. Like when Hitler was making his decision to do whatever he's doing or... I just want to be a fly on the wall and say, what's going on? Because there are a lot of lessons to be learned, good or bad. Just to support myself. I don't think that will happen. I don't know if it'll be commercially available because then you would have to like re-change history. How do you not go and like... All right, Jamie. This is completely going off the rails here. I'm just saying like... It's time to continue on here. You have to take a break. I cannot alter it. All right, so my last question here. Apple or Android? Die hard, Apple.  She loves an Apple. She's a product manager in Apple, launching iPhones via Apple. How's that? Oh, well, this whole podcast has been a love fest for Apple really, so. We love our Apple products. So, yeah, but thank you so much for joining us for Teague. Really a delight to meet you. Can't wait to see how you're transforming field service. It's such an important reason for businesses, for their employees, for the future of work. So, keep up the great work. Thank you. Thank you, Evan. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Prateek. And guys, if you enjoyed today's Data Movers podcast, as much as I have, go ahead and check us out at jsa.net slash podcast for upcoming Data Movers episodes. I'm with the data centers. I am such a geek. Okay, Data Movers episodes releasing quickly, every other week, Wednesdays as, and there's other JSA podcast series to check out there too. So, check us out. Yeah, check us out. But this is the best one, really. Let's be clear. I mean. And you can tell it's Friday. We're all a bit loopy today. But be sure to follow us on Twitter, Jamon Curstell, of course, Jay Scotto. And until then, happy networking. Happy networking. Bye.


Item number SCP-783 Object Class Ketter Special Containment Procedures Personnel must monitor the town of Tembi and continue to develop the entity's profile. Its victims are to be retrieved, incinerated, and cataloged in this file. Update Due to recent events, a stronger Foundation presence has been determined to be necessary for the containment of SCP-783 and its related phenomena. An ancillary building near the local hospital as well as two domiciles have been commandeered from the locals for Foundation use. This property in its entirety has been re-designated as a Provisional Site 5. Description SCP-783 is a hostile entity currently preying upon the residents of Tembi, a rural hamlet in Oxfordshire, England. It has a period of activity lasting roughly 72 days over the fall and winter months, occurring every 12 years. It exclusively attacks those who are alone and indoors after sunset. Building's housing SCP-783's current target will experience a steady degradation of their structural integrity. Outwardly, this is visible as faults and breaks on the outer facade, which lend affected structures an angled or crooked appearance. This anomaly extends to any objects which breach the affected building's exterior, causing immediate and severe deformation that is invariably fatal to living subjects. To date, personnel have yet to prevent an attack or been able to provide any means of assistance to SCP-783's targets. Due to this, as well as SCP-783's effects on recording equipment, little is known regarding SCP-783's exact appearance and the nature of its anomalous attributes. Victims of SCP-783 attack exhibit gross deformations in their body structure as the result of dozens of compound fractures along their long bones and severely displaced vertebrae. These are healed via the rapid generation of excessive cartilage and oscious tissue. Victims display hyperelasticity of their epidermis and musculature to accommodate the extra tissue, with one subject's forearm extending over 2.4 meters. And another having a recorded height of 12.5 meters. The end results of this malformation and elongation are subjects who visually present as being wholly serrated or gnarled. Despite the nature of these injuries, most victims are alive after the cessation of an SCP-783 attack, though they often suffer full-body paralysis or remain in a persistent vegetative state. 27 living specimens have been acquired and placed on life support. They're held in a wing of the local hospital requisitioned for foundation use. The residents of Tembi are aware of the existence of SCP-783, though speaking of it publicly is considered taboo. Researchers have documented a playground song shared among local youths regarding the anomaly. There lived a crooked man who made a crooked deal. He kept a crooked cane and his catch in crooked creel. He stole a crooked child who cried a crooked squeal and that crooked little man was broken on the wheel. Observation. Incident log appended. A month prior to SCP-783's current period of activity, D-209 was selected from a group of volunteers to live in a foundation-owned property in Tembi. Audio-video recording equipment was installed throughout the house for observation purposes. The following was recorded on the 43rd day of his stay. Video log. 2234 Second floor bedroom. D-209 is lying upright in bed, reading a novel. Living room. Live feed experiences a jagged vertical distortion in its display. This begins on the left of the frame near the front door and crosses over to the right side towards the hallway. It lasts approximately 23 seconds. 2235 First floor hallway. Floodlights from the window opposing the camera are obscured by something entering the hallway. A similar distortion effect occurs center frame, masking the object. The image quality further degrades before ceasing transmission. First floor hallway. Distortion can be seen to the left of the frame as SCP-783 enters from the living room. Second floor bedroom. D-209 jerks upright, alert. Claims to hear a slow prolonged scratching sound coming from the first floor. He begins to get up out of bed. Note, SCP-783 manifestation confirmed. Visual distortion taken to be an indicator of SCP-783's physical placement within the house. 2236 Second floor stair. Image becomes wavy and distorted. Movement can be seen, though the interference is such that no details can be made out. Second floor bedroom. Slow, deliberate footsteps can be heard ascending the stairs. D-209 attempts to open the window and escape, to no avail. 2237 Second floor bedroom. D-209 procures a small lamp from the nightstand and makes several attempts to smash through the window. Second floor hallway. Sudden video corruption affects this feed as SCP-783 moves directly in front of the camera. The image resolves over the span of 33 seconds as it moves farther down the hall. At this point, the only affected area on the recording is immediately outside the bedroom. Second floor bedroom. D-209 freezes. A knock is heard at the door. 2238 Second floor bedroom. D-209 approaches the door, wielding the lamp as a cudgel. He asks for the individual at the door to identify themselves, receiving no response. He then asks control if any personnel were able to gain entry. Observing personnel maintain radio silence. D-209 braces himself and grasps the doorknob with his free hand. D-209 throws the door open. Note, the loud snapping noise is heard throughout the house. All light bulbs on the premises burst simultaneously, including floodlights focused on the property. 2240 Second floor bathroom. Once the camera adjusts to low light conditions, SCP-783 comes into view. It is near the open door to the hallway, motionless. Second floor bedroom. D-209 is screaming, clutching his right arm. It has been fractured just above the elbow and dangles freely. It is observed to swiftly harden, presumably due to rapid bone growth. D-209 shouts his intent to escape with his life and charges from the room. 2241 Second floor hallway. As D-209 runs past the bathroom, a loud snapping noise is heard. D-209 falls to the ground and screams for assistance. He reports that his leg had been broken. Note, video corruption instantly begins to affect the kitchen as the sound is made. Ceasing in the bathroom. 2245 Second floor hallway. D-209 is able to bring himself to a stand. He displays his right arm for the camera, which has been broken below the elbow. It is angled in the opposite direction from the previous fracture. D-209 curses observing personnel, but reports that his pain has mostly subsided. He limps towards the stairs. Second floor stair. While trying to navigate the stairs, D-209 trips and falls. Twelve loud snaps are heard in rapid succession. Upon coming to rest, D-209 exhibits several more fractures in various places along each limb. He screams as they set and spasms on the landing. 2314 Second floor stair. D-209 begins to ambulate. He struggles to crawl, eventually passing out of frame. 2326 First floor living room. D-209 can be seen, dragging himself into the room. He strains, moving with great difficulty due to his cumbersome limbs. Each arm is estimated to be over two meters in length, with several inflexible breaks that inhibit motion around obstacles. First floor kitchen. SCP-783 de-manifests. Visual feed clears. 2331 First floor living room. D-209 occupies the majority of the living room. His lower legs stretch out of frame into the hallway. He has a hand on the knob of the front door, but the length of his fingers impairs the dexterity required to manipulate it. A scratching sound is audible in the hallway. D-209 expresses distress immediately before being dragged backwards forcibly, and off-camera. He begins to scream. Note, SCP-783 and D-209 remain in the hallway for the duration of the night. Snapping is heard intermittently. D-209 ceases screaming at 04-27. At 0501, a wet, suckling noise can be heard, followed by rapid thumping. Incident 783.1. Concurrent with the noises heard at 0501 during the D-209 trial, all 27 living victims in Foundation care went into seizure.  Two present researchers were injured during the incident. Life support systems for several patients were compromised, killing five. A vast quantity of earth was disturbed on the outskirts of town during this time. Update. Personnel tasked with investigating the recent seismic event were met with resistance from Tembi locals, who crowded around an area in a field to the south of town. After a brief exchange, Agent Collins drew her firearm and discharged around into the air. The crowd dispersed. Several elongated toes were immediately visible protruding from the freshly exposed earth. A dig team was assembled, and by the following afternoon, had unearthed a mass grave, approximately five meters across, containing several dozen nude victims of SCP-783. The bodies were well preserved, yet desiccated. Their number was unable to be immediately ascertained, owing to the fact that they had been piled atop one another.  Furthermore, most of the victims' limbs had become intertwined or knotted around each other, preventing exhumation without the use of sawing instruments. Researcher Singer elected to extract a tissue sample. During this process, the soil beneath him caved, and he tumbled into the pit. The bodies shifted due to his weight. As he struggled to gain footing, the tangle of limbs gave way, and he fell out of sight. Agent Collins promptly commandeered a length of rope, and tied it around her waist. She tasked several nearby personnel with reeling her in upon her signal, and entered the pit. Approximately 20 meters of worth of rope was drawn beneath the corpses as Agent Collins descended. The line became taut after several minutes. She signaled for extraction, and was recovered safely. Upon debrief, the agent testified to the existence of an anomalous locale, the entrance to which is located beneath the victim's corpses. A temporary leave of absence was granted to Agent Collins. Field Logs SCP-783-L1 Initial D-Class Exploration for Observational Purposes Retrieval of MIA Personnel's Secondary Objective SCP-783-L2 Special Operative Dispatch to further ascertain the nature of SCP-783. SCP-783-L3 Mobile Task Force Deployed to Contain SCP-783 Pending Declassification SCP-783-L4 Data Expunged Lesson Complete If you missed the previous orientation, go watch SCP-782 All New You Right Now Or for the complete course, watch this playlist.


A ceasefire deal has been reached in the contested region of Nagorno-Karabakh after a brief round of fighting. Why are tensions between Armenia and Azerbaijan on the rise again? The Indian government has introduced a bill for a 33% quota for women in national and state legislatures. Now, this has been a long-time demand of women's movements, but what is the devil in the details? Finally, health workers, researchers and activists are gathering over the next few days to discuss capitalism, pandemics and public health. Why is this discussion important? This is the daily debrief. These are your stories for the day. And before you go any further, if you're watching this on YouTube, please hit the subscribe button. A ceasefire has been announced in the contested region of Nagorno-Karabakh after fighting broke out on Tuesday. Azerbaijan had launched what it called anti-terrorism operations, claiming that neighboring Armenia's forces were gathering in the region in violation of an earlier ceasefire deal. Now Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, but it has a majority Armenian population. And the two countries have been in a conflict over this region for decades. We go to Abdul to understand the latest from the region. Abdul got a complicated situation in Nagorno-Karabakh. You have mentioned it in a couple of episodes in the past. It seems like something breaks out there every few months. So before going to the latest developments, could you just maybe give us a very brief history of why this region is so, you know, conflicted and what is the contest about it, so to speak? Well, it is primarily a dispute over the some ethnic right to self determination, which has been basically in a in focus primarily since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1990-91. After that, when the Azerbaijan and Armenia emerged as two independent republics, there were populations in Azerbaijan, Armenian population in Azerbaijan, which basically did not want to remain in Azerbaijan and declare independent republic of Nagorno-Karabakh. Of course, the territory is not recognized as independent by the global community. It is recognized as a part of Azerbaijan. But the status quo was maintained due to the ceasefire agreement which was signed in 1994. And ever since this conflict has not been resolved, and from time to time Azerbaijan tries to assert sovereignty over the territory, claiming that Armenia is basically using Nagorno-Karabakh, the Armenian population in Nagorno-Karabakh to basically incite a separatist movement there. So it has become a very complex issue despite the fact that there is a global dissident about resolving the issue of either through territorial exchange or the exchange of population. None of the countries in the region and at the global stage have been able to convince either of two countries to basically look for structural solutions. And that basically has led to the persistence of the crisis. So there has been three different level of wars, full-fledged war between both the countries, sometimes involving the regional players as well leading to the death of thousands of people. Since 1991 till 2020, there was a kind of again a ceasefire agreement after months of conflict, months of fighting, which basically led to the deployment of Russian peacekeepers. Around 2000 Russian peacekeepers were there, but despite the fact that there were Russian peacekeepers, the conflict between both the countries did not die down. And Azerbaijan has been claiming for a very long time that Armenia has basically trying to deploy troops there, has basically interfered in the region and so and so forth. And Armenians or the other have been complaining about Azerbaijan using quote unquote non-state actors to basically harass the Armenian population there. So the background has always been hostile and basically and that's what you can say is the reason behind the latest round of conflict also. Right, thankfully this round seems to have been resolved relatively quickly though because although they have been a number of deaths reported, so could you just take us through what happened in the past 24 hours as well? Well, on Tuesday, Azerbaijan started a kind of quote unquote military, local military campaign against what it claimed the terrorist element. The Azerbaijan government claimed that Azerbaijan has used the ceasefire agreement signed in 2000 to basically amass its troops in Armenia, in sorry, in Nagorno-Karabakh, which basically threatens the larger security of not only the Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani claims over Nagorno-Karabakh, but also threatens the Azerbaijani sovereignty. And that basically led to the intervention. Azerbaijan government also claimed that there was local elections held in Nagorno-Karabakh earlier this month and that local election it claimed was basically an attempt by the Armenians to undermine the Azeri sovereignty over the territory. So all these things led to basically that was the claim by the Azerbaijan government which basically quote unquote justified from their point of view the military intervention there. So the military intervention within 24 hours it got resolved, as there is a ceasefire agreement signed, but within these 24 hours there are of course different numbers around 7 to 28, there are numbers vary, people have been killed, reportedly killed and more than 200 people including the combatants reported to be injured. Russia, United Nations, other global parts basically intervened immediately and due to the multiple interventions one can say basically this ceasefire agreement was signed soon. But nevertheless the base of the conflict remains the same until the global players kind of take a decisive move and try to address the issue of the territory and the Armenian population there. This ceasefire again means nothing, this will continue in the future and we should, we will see much more conflict in the future as well. Prim Prognosis Abdul but also quickly you mentioned that this is also over time become a bit of a regional conflict also. So what are the stances taken by various regional players when it is all this issue? Well there are two major players when it comes to regional geo-strategy geopolitical calculations. One is Turkey which basically has overtly supported the Azeri attempts to regain control over Nagorno-Karabakh by force if possible and in 2020 in particular it was openly providing armaments and other diplomatic support to the Azeri move into the territory and Russians of course who basically have tried to play a much more mediated role to bring both the parties on the table and because this conflict in the region threatens Russia's stability in a larger region and that is not in the interest of Russia and Russia also thinks that this conflict is used by the US and other global powers to basically find a space to intervene and in the region and kind of threaten the overall stability of both the because there is also Georgia nearby which also has similar conflicts going on and if this conflict continues the way it is continuing it will basically provide a larger excuse for the interventions by the countries which is not desirable for the regional peace. So Russia has been trying to kind of play a role of a peace mediator between both the countries but it has not been very successful in that so far. Thanks so much Abdul for talking to us like I said like you said this is a conflict which keeps you know bubbling at various points of time and definitely it's been decades now like you said resolution still very elusive as of now thank you so much for talking to us. It's been a season of high political drama in India after a high-profile G20 summit the country's new parliament building was inaugurated with great pomp and fanfare in a special session of the legislature. Now the right wing Narendra Modi government also dropped a political bombshell by introducing a bill that will give women 33% reservation in parliament and state legislatures. This proposal has been pending approval for years even as women's organizations have been waging a consistent struggle for it. So the introduction of this bill should have been a cause for celebration throughout the political spectrum but there is a catch. This bill which is likely to be passed in the coming days will not be implemented now in fact it may take many years for its implementation. This has been widely criticized and many say this is a savvy publicity move by the government which faces elections in 2024. We go to Pragya Singh of Newsclick to understand more. Pragya thank you so much for joining us so quite a progressive bill it seems like on the face of it but there seems to be a bit of a catch when it comes to its implementation so before we go into the bit of a history of this bill could you maybe take us through what immediately people are saying as far as this bill's implementation is concerned. Right Prashant it is actually a very progressive idea but the problem with the bill that the government has introduced in the new parliament building as a sort of showcase of how concerned it is about women is basically it doesn't have a deadline the statement of objects and reasons of any bill contains a timeline of its implementation here the timeline is incumbent it's contingent on two other very significant developments first taking place which are in the government's hands which is to redraw the limits of the electoral constituencies across the country and that itself will be based on a fresh census operation which takes all of this will take at least a couple of years each so what it essentially and we do not know what are the other contingencies that will arise in the in the future so the criticism that is coming from the women's groups actually quite a large number of women have demanded reservation in the parliament and in the state assemblies for decades three decades and they say that whenever it comes to women's issues and women's rights it's contingent their conditions attached and that is what is being done again right so in this context also you mentioned it already but could you give us a brief history of why this proposal on the like you said the radical proposal is a very important proposal 33 percent of seats for women but why is it that it has been pending for so long exactly I mean that's where the intention comes in right now successive governments have tabled the bill in the parliament and the rules are such the rules of how the parliament functions are such that bills most bills tend to lapse unless they are cleared by both houses of parliament within an ongoing session so I'm just giving you the the picture in the broad strokes of it so at every point at which this bill has been introduced there have been objections sometimes it's about whether the women's quota or the women's reservation should include a sub quota or separate reservations within this reservation for people from disadvantaged communities the extent of reservation itself has been a matter of very hotly contested discussions and I think even this year women's groups have said that look I mean 33 percent was a bare minimum we demanded then back in the 80s when women were out on the streets agitating and demanding a fair share in representation and today when you have already got a certain number of women at the lowest level of representation at the rural level and at the at the town and city level then at this point we should be ready for 50 percent why not 50 percent reservation the other set of you know the problems with this bill also include the fact that you know there's an accusation that the ruling BJP is using it as an election manifesto meaning that it will be a promise which they're not really in a position to implement immediately not just that they're not giving you a timeline for when it will happen so it will seem like something great is happening but we don't really know whether it will and this has been a successive problem a consistent problem with this particular ruling party from the time it came to power in 2014 under the current dispensation the the other fundamental issue that women are raising is that this party owes itself its existence to a rather right-wing fundamentalist Hindu organization which has repeatedly made statements against women so the question is that is there a fundamental change in how they see women is there going to be a sort of push for representation of women who support their ideology how are they going to ensure against all these questions arise but the basic question Trishan is that this is not going to happen in time for the next national election 2024 we do not know when it is going to actually kick into action so it's a wait and watch game and this has played out repeatedly when it comes to women in in the sense it has angered women as much as it has given some of us hope that well this might actually see the end of day thank you Prager so much for that analysis and I think no wonder that many people are saying that this government has been in power since 2014 with a majority but it's nothing has happened on this on these lines so far thank you so much for talking to us thanks Trishan and finally the 19th International Association of Health Policy in Europe conference is set to begin on September 21st in Greece on the theme of capitalism pandemic and public health now the pandemic's impact continues to linger in various ways and if there was one thing it demonstrated it is that capitalism contributed to worsening the crisis from austerity policies and privatization to vaccine inequity the hand of capitalism was and continues to be visible everywhere and hence to get a sense of the discussions that will be held we go to Anna of the People's Health Movement Anna thank you so much for joining us we don't often discuss conferences on this show but the theme of this specific conference which is capitalism pandemic and public health is something that is very dear to us something we have covered a lot on this show so maybe first a very general question as when you're talking about we understand why pandemics and public health would be talked about in a conference of professionals and researchers on this subject but it's interesting that capitalism is also very central to this discussion so maybe could you take us through the gamut of issues or the larger picture why capitalism itself is so central to this debate when we're talking about pandemics and public health absolutely and I think it's a very well made point so essentially when we talk about the international association for health policy in Europe it's a very particular organization specifically because it tries to bring together the academic research but also the activist picture so it's a very specific conference in the context of Europe because it's not only about academics coming to discuss topics that we have you know talked on and on about and we have collected data on but they come to discuss it with activists who are actually living through what the data is showing and this kind of openness to different opinions and to different perspectives is something that makes the conference unique and I think that if we look back at so at the past editions of this conference this is the 19th if I'm not if I'm not mistaken it has shown that this kind of approach actually makes a more constructive it leads to more constructive outcomes because it essentially does what we should be doing in practice all the time so you know working together both on the theory and on the practice of things so in order to achieve the right to health as it was originally meant right and in this context of course also looking at the present situation in Europe we've talked about this in various episodes in the past I think we can definitely see what is more than a crisis in one country it's definitely a systemic crisis spurred by certain common factors so could you maybe also take us through some of those factors which are you know which are indicative of the crisis yeah and I think we're talking about many many crises in Europe at this time but essentially what the program of the conference is trying to do is trying to capture the main issues that have come up over the past few years so we'll hear discussions about academic freedom which is a key issue in several countries so of course not only in Europe but also in Palestine and in other countries and specifically because we have seen that the crackdown on progressive academics and specifically on progressive medical associations is becoming more difficult more difficult to handle so one of the speakers will be the president of the Turkish Medical Association who was jailed as we have spoken on the show also before because of the work of the good work that the Turkish Medical Association does we will also have the chance to hear from Shada Odeh who spent one year in an Israeli jail also because of the good work that was being done on the ground but in addition to these topics there will also be spaces to discuss different approaches to climate justice which we have seen is becoming a major topic in Europe but what is still unclear is you know how to make sure that the European response to the climate crisis is actually something that benefits the global south instead of being focused only on the global north this is something that will definitely be a prominent debate in the conference and then of course finally you know the whole issue of privatization the whole issue of how the COVID-19 pandemic was handled in Europe including the discussion on vaccines and on and including the discussion about Europe's responsibility towards ensuring that the world should have swift access to the vaccine and our responsibility that Europe failed majorly when in will be there to be discussed and so I mentioned some names so there will be quite prominent speakers present at at the conference including the conference organizers who are from the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki Alexis Benos and Elias Kondelis among others but there will also be plenty of space for younger researchers and young activists to present what they're working on and I think this is another dimension that the conference is really specific for because it essentially provides the space for people who are trying to investigate new things and who are trying to bring new perspectives into the overall discussion about health activism and health research it gives them the space to do so and to meet peers from from different parts of Europe. Absolutely right of course also another issue I suppose would also be the question of staffing and recruitment itself which is connected to privatization the question of austerity as well we've talked about in the past the issue of how you know the shortage of or the deficit of health professionals in Europe is trying to if the attempt is to meet it by recruiting from the global south as well which really makes matters in the global south much worse. Yeah yeah that's true and of course you know the I think that what we see at the conference is that there are a lot of health workers but not only health workers in the sense that they research healthcare but those health workers who are actually coming from the hospitals and they're coming from migrant backgrounds and they're essentially here at the conference to talk about what they experience and how the overall staffing shortage is impacting them in their everyday work so it's something quite important to keep in mind that you know the shortages that we keep talking about they have very particular impacts on the people who are actually doing healthcare work. Absolutely thank you so much Ana we'll probably track the conference in the coming days as well the pandemic is you know its impact definitely still very much lingering in all of our societies and I think very important to keep talking about it so thank you so much. That's all we have in this episode of Daily Deep Brief do tune in tomorrow for a fresh episode also visit our website peoplesdispatch.org and or check out all our social media platforms and if you're watching this on YouTube and haven't hit that subscribe button already please do see you tomorrow.


We have appreciated what is the role of multiplexing in transmission systems in terms of the telecommunication infrastructure. Now, we are going to discuss the variants of multiplexing, especially with a focus on digital multiplexing techniques. In this module, we'll discuss, as historical perspective, the analog multiplexing. And then we are going to discuss the multiplexing for digital signals, both on the long haul, that is, over the long distance, and on the access side. The analog signal to begin with that were to be carried on telephony networks was voice. So, to carry such voice signals, which were analog in nature, the multiplexing had to recognize that the typical human frequency range that humans could utter varies between 300 hertz to 3500 hertz. So, it is band limited to around 4 kilohertz centered around zero frequency. If the multiplexing of such voice channels was to be done for multiple users, since they share the same frequency range, it's not possible to send them as is, that is, as a baseband signal. Therefore, some analog modulation technique was required. The well-known examples are either the amplitude was modulated, that is, AM, or frequency modulation, or the phase modulation. This was the most common and primitive way of multiplexing the analog signals. As regards the digital signals, since the digital signals are already represented in terms of ones and zeros, so there was no need as such to translate them into broadband. So, the digital signals are actually multiplexed right in the baseband. The typical example is the time division multiplexing in which either bit level interleaving or byte level interleaving was carried out for the connected users. Likewise, frequency division multiplexing is another technique where each user's data was carried on separate frequency band. Code division multiplexing is another technique that used orthogonal codes. However, code division multiplexing or CDM did not find much applicability and viability on the long haul. Therefore, it was confined or mostly restricted to wireless networks, especially on the access side. For instance, Wi-Fi uses direct sequence spread spectrum and 3G uses CDMA. Likewise, in telecommunication systems, the predecessors of 3G like IS-95 and WCDMA also use CDMA. Let's quickly go through how a typical time division multiplexing system works. On the multiplexer end, we have users particularly in the given example, we have 32 users. Each user is generating its analog signals. These signals are translated into the digital form using analog to digital conversion. The well-known technique is known as PCM or the pulse code modulation. This technique is going to be discussed in the later lectures. However, for the sake of this particular scenario, we assume that somehow 64 kilobits per second bit stream is coming from every user. Now, since each user is being offered a certain space on that multiplex signal, which is an interleaving for these 32 users. So for a total time period of 125 microseconds, which is the time slot given to each individual user. Now, this time slot is being shared between 32 users. So effectively, each user in an interleaved manner would be transmitting 8 bits of its data in a duration of 3.9 microseconds. In other words, the total time period of every user is now being shared amongst 32 users. As a consequence, at one point in time, a user can only send 8 of its bits. So resultantly, the overall multiplexed stream would have the resultant data rate that is the product of the total number of users to the total data rate of each user. So you can see it is 32 multiplied by 64 kilobits per second or 2.048 megabits per second. Although we are going to discuss it later, but you can just remember it that it is called an E1 stream. It is the European standard for digital transmission. Multiplexing is also carried out at the excess side. It is required because multiple competing users are to be given a chance either in a probabilistic manner or in a deterministic manner. Certain techniques such as frequency division multiple access, time division and cold division multiple access, these schemes provide a fair or deterministic kind of access mechanism to competing users. But in case of probabilistic schemes such as aloha or pure and slotted aloha, the users may be lucky to have their chance to transmit. If two users transmit at the same time, then collisions may happen.


We're also going to leave during the funeral ceremony for the President of Mozambique, but I missed her because my trip was canceled, and I was going to see her there also, out in the streets of New York, of France. I, in our schools, when I was in school, I was compulsory, but at least two years, we studied for a man. When I was in school, I had to take a long, long, long, two years, and I had to take a long, long, long, two years, and then I had the chance to use that for a team many, many years ago. When I was in Mozambique, it was many years after. I was going to tell you about the details of my adventures when I visited you in France. My first trip to France was in 1949, and I went with my wife and I went across the channel. And then I discovered I was the only one that had any inkling of French. When we were coming to a city town, he was driving a car, where we were going to have lunch. Now the problem was how to find out where there was a restaurant. So as I began to try and remember where I was, I had to be elaborated. By the time we pulled up in front of the gendarmes, I was ready. I said, where am I at a cafe? And I'm very hungry, where is the best cafe? And he told me. My friend driving said, what did he say? And I said, I haven't the slightest idea. Mr. President, did you approve that arm shipment by Israel in August? I'm not going to take any questions. Thank you. This way, please. Thank you. Thank you. Who's winning? Thank you. This way, please. Who's winning? Thank you. This way please. Mr. President, did you approve that arm shipment by Israel? This way please, let's go. Thank you. Thank you, go. Let's go on motion. That's fine. Mr. President, did you approve that arm shipment by Israel? Yes. That's correct. Yes. The press is going to ask that question. Panic in there. The press is going to ask that question. The press is going to ask that question. They ask questions only when it is time to ask questions. It should happen to me. Translation, conversation, but welcome all of you and tell you it's very good to have you all here. Zaire's economic reform program is a crucial example for Africa and we admire the advent of the determination that's been shown in several years. We know about your heavy foreign debt burden. We want to do our best to be of help. We're deeply concerned that you might take steps now that could be harmful to the economy and make it difficult for us to help you. And I think it's essential to reach agreement that they would be I am it, but I understand that that is also your purpose during that. To avoid delay or cancel a plan about everyone who won't go under this person. I know these are matters for you to decide, but as your friend I must speak frankly to convince that you're on the right track and must stay the course. Thank you. Pleased that you're increasingly active role in Southern African affairs.  Most helpful to us. But I, as of course now because I know you must have some things in your agenda that you would like to bring up in this class. And we see that on the prepared conditions of the economy, a few years ago negotiating with him I heard it right there. Mr. President, how do you feel about this? Mr. President, how do you feel about this? How do you feel about this? You're right. And it takes quite a different view to your division. And also, with an opportunity for the staff to visit, Mr. President, He said that he thought Bishop Tutu had a bigger following in our country than he had in some other country. The chief is very, very much of both sides. He felt they were going to party with the chief. How did you feel, Mr. President, about the sanctions? Did you agree with the sanctions? Are Congress imposed on South Africa, or would you have a burden on that? I'm making it probably more complicated. I think it's true, and right now there are people who are against it. And I said, well, I think it's true, I think it's true. I think it's true. I think it's true. We've just been discussing up here the South African situation and trying to find out if anyone joined me in opposing the sanctions and so forth. That's not being a productive way to solve the problem there, and we've been having an interesting discussion here which I thought we could continue through more to say while we're here having lunch. We were just talking about the South African situation, and I was wondering if anyone agreed with me in opposing the sanctions, as it's not being a productive way to solve the situation. And I think it's an interesting discussion. We've just been discussing up here the South African situation, and I think it's true. We've just been discussing up here the South African situation, and I think it's true. We've just been discussing up here the South African situation, and I think it's true.


Mark from outside the door, they're all well lighted when the rights set. Next week I'll be leaving for important summit meetings in Europe with America's allies and trading partners. One major concern we know they'll raise is the high level of interest rates in the United States. We share their concern. The key to bringing interest rates down and keeping them down is a commitment by this government to get spending under control once and for all. It's the most important that I be able to communicate this commitment to our allies. I want to tell them that the United States is not just talking about reducing deficits, we're doing something about them. Last week the Senate took an important step in that direction. It passed a budget resolution with deficit reduction measures totaling $358 million. As I said over the weekend, the resolution isn't perfect, it won't lead us into the promised land. But the next key thing is it will take us further down the road that we began last year. Now we look to the House of Representatives for courage and leadership as we enter a crucial week of budget deliberations. Many variations will be discussed, but the final vote in the House may boil down to two main alternatives, the bipartisan recovery budget or the coalition budget proposed with the liberal democratic leadership. There are three key advantages to the bipartisan budget. It keeps taxes down and does not break faith with American families by seeking new tax increases that would destroy the recovery. It makes savings on defense while still preserving our security so we can maintain peace through strength. And it contains a real determination to begin holding down spending on the so-called uncontrollables. Over the weekend I made several calls to congressmen, I'll be making more in the next few days, and I'm encouraged by my conversations. I believe the bipartisan recovery budget has a fighting chance to win if responsible members of the House will rally to support it. Mr. President, I'd like to ask a question about the problems that have grown up about two cabinet members. One, what is your reaction to these stories about the large tax write-offs that William French Smith has enjoyed? Do you think those stories are embarrassing to the administration? And secondly, regarding Secretary Donovan, are you concerned that the problems that have grown up between him and the Republican members of the Senate Labor Committee will mean permanent damage to relations to the Hill if he remains in office? Well, it's very difficult for me taking the last one first to comment on that because it is now in the hands of a special prosecutor as Secretary Donovan himself requested some time ago. And so there isn't much that I can say in commenting on that. But nothing I've heard has reduced my confidence in Secretary Donovan. In regard to the Attorney General's problems there, I don't think the point's been made by anyone that the so-called tax shelters are things passed by Congress to encourage investment or speculation in certain undertakings. And a tax shelter is only a shelter if you lose your investment. You actually enter it with the hope or the prospect that you earn additional money from that investment, in which case you'd earn or owe additional tax. So and the fact is that like so many others who've gone into government service, as I understand it, this was done by someone that the Attorney General trusts to handle whatever investments he might have. Mr. President, now that the British troops are on the ground, in the Falklands, in numbers by the thousands, what should the British objective be? Well, I think the objective, I can't speak for military strategy or what they might have in mind with that. But I think the objective still is to bring this to a point where it can be resolved peacefully and without any further loss of life. And I'm sure that this is probably what is going to guide their strategy and what they're doing. But won't that affect their military strategy on the ground? Well, as I was saying, I think that this must be involved in whatever strategy is chosen by them. And I don't know what that strategy is. How much military support is the United States prepared to give for Britain if we're called on? Well, we're not thinking of military support in the sense of troops or anything involved in the fighting. There are certain agreements that we have. There are no new agreements that have come out of this at all. There are certain bilateral agreements and our relationship in the North Atlantic Alliance that we fulfill regardless of what's going on there. But nothing new has come out of this. Because what did you hear from President Grayson if his letter increased the chances of a summit? Do you have anything in that connection? Where are we going now? Well, it simply was a letter that expressed his willingness to meet. And that's about all that I can comment on. I'm delighted to get that. And I can't comment in on further details and communication. Well, do you think there is a chance there'll be a summit this year? There was no reference as to timing other than the general terms that we're going to yield as soon as we could. We'd do it. And we're ready. Mr. President, to follow up on Helen's question, you used to speak of dealing with the Soviets in terms of linkage. And they still remain in Afghanistan. Of course, they're present in Poland, and you've called that an outrage. Why now this emphasis on start talks?  Well, the start talks are based on reducing the danger to the whole world to both sides. And I talked for months during the campaign about this, about trying to arrive not at the so-called limitation talks, but at actual and outright reductions of weapons. Now, this does not outlaw discussing these other things that are causing tensions between us and between them and the Western world at those talks.  Mr. President, on the Falklands, where you're going to Europe, as you say, for this meeting of various European ally leaders, is it possible that with the Falklands heating up, you might be considering some changes in your plans to perhaps curtail or eliminate your visit to England? I haven't seen anything as yet that would suggest that. Obviously, if something unforeseen happens, we would have to consider whether we should go or not. But no, I see no reason not to. I wonder if, Mr. President, you've said you want to show the European allies, Mr. President. Some direction on interest rates, five former parliament secretaries, treasury secretaries, and former commerce secretary from two parties, several administrations, have suggested much deeper defense cuts and much bigger tax increases than you have been raising them for. Don't you think that this administration has not shown a critical commitment to really reduce the deficit in some of these key areas? I had only had a chance to read one wire story with regard to who came off the line about the interviews with those various former secretaries. I'm gratified by one thing that they support in general the approach that we have taken, that it must be based on reduced cost of government, reduced spending. And we may differ on some details or amounts or percentages with them. In general, we are in that agreement. But let me point out that what is being discussed, even with the bill that we would support in the House today and the measure that the Senate managed to pass, all of those are much lower in total spending cuts than we had advocated in February. But, sir, just to follow up, what they are saying is that by putting certain things off limits, that the security of some big defense cuts and big tax increases, such as windfall profits tax or natural gas or other oil and gas tax increases, that you have eliminated the real possibility of doing something about interest rates? Well, I don't think they quite understand all this been going on. And we do all to respect it, too, gentlemen. They're not in a position now where they have access, for example, in discussing defense budgets, to all the information that is necessary to make the decisions. We have agreed to cuts providing they will not have us retreat from what we feel is the minimum necessity for restoring our national security. And as I say, they don't have that information. Maybe if they did, that they would see our point in what it is we're asking for. Mr. President, some members of Congress say that there are so many divisions in the House over the budget that there is a danger that the House wouldn't wind up in the deadlock and not pass any budget at all. In view of the fact that Speaker O'Neill and the Democrats have a majority there, who would be a blame if there was any effort by the House not to have any budget at all? Well, I think you more or less answered your own question, yourself, as to who would be to blame. I just have to believe that there is no responsibility in the House than that. And I think that we will have. And I do believe that the bipartisan bill, which preserves or calls for 87% of the, wait a minute. No, it preserves 87% of the tax cuts that we wanted for our people. And it gets 75% of what we asked for in February in budget cuts. So we can support that. Mr. President, let's talk of the sum. The reason of the fact that the President has a now, there's little prospect there that there will be a summit? Well, I wouldn't feel it. I've never had any, you know, reading from the communication from President Brezhnev that he was not looking forward. And he publicly has made statements to that effect, also. To go ahead with the Soviet's question, on Friday, your administration released a new national security policy that may interpret it as being kind of a return to the Cold War. Over the weekend, there were reports of maybe increased grain sales to the Soviets. How would you today describe your administration's relationship to the Soviet Union? I think it's a very realistic relationship. We are, we know that there is an adversary relationship there that has been brought about by the Soviet's policy of expansion, expansionism. And we're not so naivest. We ignore that and any dealings that we have. And yet, at the same time, we ourselves are proposing such things as arms reductions and trying to improve the chances for peace in the world, reduce the possibility of war. And, um... Is it warming or cooling your relationship? I wouldn't know whether I could apply either one of those words to it. It is just that we are willing, realistically, to sit down with the Soviet Union and try to eliminate some of the friction points that are there. But basically, the primary problem today is reducing the store of nuclear arms that are threatened to peace of mind, certainly, of all the people in the world and that do pose a threat to all of us physically. Mr. President, you said today that you have broken a promise that you made before the joint session of Congress on February 18, 1981. You said Medicare will not be cut, yet the bipartisan budget which you support calls for cuts in Medicare of some $23 billion over three years, $5 billion and 83 alone. How did that square, and how do you respond to the speaker that you've broken the promise? Should be the last question, please. Mary says, this is the last question. Well, where were you a minute ago? I can answer that in about three phases. And the first one is, how would I respond to the speaker about that? I think it is very obvious after last year and this year that the speaker is obsessed with the idea of trying to create a social security issue for the coming election. And I think that's pretty irresponsible with the program now, that it's actuarially out of balance, that as we pointed out a year ago, it's going to be unable to get through the 1983 year unless something is done about that program. The proposed cuts in the bipartisan plan in Medicare are almost entirely aimed at limitations on the providers of healthcare, not a reduction of services for the beneficiaries and reset needs of social security. That's the, those are the two. The third one is this, even this talk in the budget, in a way I find, I hope that they don't waste too much time debating it because with the speaker's cooperation, we have a bipartisan task force that has been at work for months and is to report in in December with a plan for solving both the shortened long range problems of social security. And the only thing that I have said in my own mind with regard to that plan and that I have said to those representatives that I have put into the task force is that it must not undercut or pull the rug out from under the people who are presently dependent on social security. They must be assured that they are going to continue to get their benefits. But there are any number of ways that that task force can go based on the future of social security for people presently paying into the program who are not yet retired that can meet the financial problems. Indeed, the plan that we proposed last year could have done that and even reduced the two built-in increases in payroll tax that are still hanging over the workers of America today. So to make an issue out of this, when this task force is waiting its report and he's appointed his own representatives to that task force too, I think is just again sheer political demagogue. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You've just made it. Thank you. I heard a boss. I'll do the job. Thank you for your question. Thank you. You can have the seat. Yeah, I don't want to tell you something. I just got back from the field. Oh. Oh. Oh. It's great. I'm just crazy going on back to communication with Dave at Capitol Hill. People all over at the time, But the providers of the hospitals, the hospitals, they say 75% of them will go broke, and they say, well, then have to ration what people they take care of, and then once they cut out, and if the old people will not get admitted last door, the old people will die. And what's the answer to that? You said you were the free man, and you didn't come back on all the fees. That's right. I can't answer a question. He just shut me off, but I would say that all of you have the means to reduce the fears of the social security recipients, fears that have been aroused by the demagoguery from those guys on the hill.


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For the next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case from official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, drag net is the story of your police force in action. It was Tuesday, November 3rd. It was chilly in Los Angeles. We were working the night watch out of robbery detail. My partner's been Romero. The boss is Captain Ed Walker. My name's Friday. It was five minutes to midnight when we got to 318 Silver Avenue. Stendles Bakery Shop. Romero and Friday sent for robbery. I'm Jacob's unit, 16R. My partner Olson's back there in the shop talking to the owner. You answered the call, did you?  There they go in the ambulance now. Shot up pretty bad. Who runs the place? Swedish family named Stendall. Father, mother, two daughters. All four of them work in the bakery here. They all here at the time of the robbery? Yeah, the whole old man shot the father and the oldest daughter. The mother and the younger girl are in the back straight through that door. Okay, thanks, Jacob. Joe, on the side of the door here, looks like a bullet hole. Hey, Jacob. Yes, Sergeant? You want to call into the crime lab and ask them to send somebody out? Right. Thank you. Hi, you Olson? That's right. Romero and Friday sent for robbery. Oh, how are you? These are two of the victims, Mrs. Cygney Stendall. The girls are daughter names Jennifer. Any other witnesses? Not so far. Neighborhood around here is pretty deserted this time of night. A whole old man made a fast getaway. And two people who were shot, what kind of shape are they in? Father, Mr. Stendall. He's got a bullet wound on the right shoulder. Older daughter's a lot worse. Her name's June. 19 years old. Shot four or five times through the stomach. Mm-hmm. You want to stand by? Right, yeah. Okay. Mrs. Stendall, we're from robbery detail. Yeah, how do you do? How do you do? Jenny. I'm sitting here in two chairs. Yes, ma'am. I will excuse me for not getting up, officer. I don't feel so bad. That's perfectly all right, ma'am. Chair for you, officer. Well, thank you. I'll get it. Thank you very much. You and the daughter here were in the front of the bakery shop at the time of the robbery. Is that right, Mrs. Stendall? No. Jenny was back here with her father. That's Lars, my husband. You and me and I were in the shop in front. Oh, who were you with, ma'am? You and me and I. You? Mama means June. My older sister, she calls her June. Yeah, June. Oh, well. Mm-hmm. You mind telling us what happened? Well, June and I were scrubbing the floor of the shop. It was Tuesday night we scrubbed the floor of the shop. Then this man came in and pointed a gun. He wanted our money. About what time did he come in? 11.40 and 11.20. I don't remember for certain. He wanted our money and I gave it to him. How much was that, ma'am? Jenny, you know. How much was that? $24. Yeah, $24. He used the paper money. He took it and put it in his pocket. June, my daughter, she started to cry. The man hit her. She cried some more. Then Lars and Jenny came running from the back. Yes, ma'am. The man pointed a gun. He made Lars and me and Jenny stand against that wall. But not June. He took hold of her. Jenny, who said today? Then we again did man and hand the gun. It was getting fresh with her, ma'am. The man tried to get fresh with June officers. June hit him. He tried to drag her up the door with... Yeah, June hit him. Hit him good. He went like that, threw her against the counter and pushed June down. Crazy man. Crazy look. He kicked her. Then Lars, my husband, he ran at the man. He heard the gun. Loud. And Lars fell down. And I screamed. Yeah. He then screamed. He turned and I saw the man standing over June. He pointed a gun down at her. Yes, ma'am. Crazy look on him. He kept shooting her. Four, maybe five times. June screamed. She kept screaming. Then men ran out the door. It's all right now, Miss Linda. Hadn't either one of you ever seen this man before? No, no. Neither did I. Would you know him if you saw him again? Yeah, I think so. I would, officer. I got a good look at him. He was wearing a blue cap like a baseball player wears. How'd he get away? Was he on foot or did he have a car? Nobody followed him, but after he left I heard a car start up down the block and then it drove away. Do you have anything else to add, Miss Easton? I hope you catch the man. He's bad. Please catch him. Yes, ma'am. We're going to try. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Here, officer. Then you find the man. Please call me. You keep the nickels. We'll call you. Before we left the scene of the robbery and shooting, Mrs. Stendhal and her daughter gave us their description of the holdup man together with the clothing he wore. The suspect had no outstanding physical characteristics that they'd noticed. The only thing unusual about his clothing was that he wore what appeared to be a baseball cap at the time of the holdup. She described the cap as light blue with a visor. Together with officers Bechtel and Lopez from Central Robbery, we canvassed the immediate neighborhood for other possible witnesses. We found none. The next morning we went out to the hospital. The scene of the older daughter, June, was critical. We interviewed the father. He could tell us nothing. At 10 a.m., Mrs. Stendhal and her younger girl, Jenny, were brought to the office and we started them looking through mug books of parolees previously convicted of armed robbery. Within two hours, both of them positively identified the picture of a recent San Quentin release as that of the holdup man. His name was Harold Best. We started a quick rundown. Pull the package on. Here's the dope, Harold Best. Alias Harold Norris. Alias Harold Thompson. Alias Tom Norris. One term for armed robbery in Q. We got out four months ago, ammo and description both match. How about the ex-con files you're checking? He's registered. Did you get a hold of his parole officer? Yeah, 2440 Excelsior Avenue's rooming house. Well, that checks for the ex-con files. Prool officer says Best went to work two weeks ago at a filling station over on Vermont. Doesn't seem to be able to hold a job. Quarrel some, run himself into daddy. A guy. Robbery Romero. That's all, huh? Yeah. Right, bud. Ray Pinker at the crime lab. They checked the slugs taken from the two victims. They came up with a .32 caliber revolver. Probably a Colt. Anything else? That's it. Not too bad a start. We've had worse. Yeah. Maybe we can make that phone call pretty quick. 2 p.m. Wednesday. Ben and I drove out to his rooming house at 2440 Excelsior Avenue and we found that Herbert Best was still living there. We had the landlady show us his room. Besides the usual personal belongings, we came across nothing of consequence. After questioning the landlady, we drove to the service station on Vermont Avenue where Best was supposed to be employed. I don't see anyone around. There's a fellow over there greasing a car in the right. Oh, yeah. That looks like Best. Hey, fella. You. Can you tell us if there's a Herbert Best working here? Police officers would like to talk to you. Well, what's the matter? Routine investigation. Got a few questions for you. Supposed to have this car greased up in my quarter to four. What am I supposed to do, please? You or the boss? No, I'll find him, Joe. You got any heat on you? No. What's it all about? How long is this going to be? A couple of minutes. I'll take more on a greased job. Put this thing in shape. We'll wait for you. How'd you find me? Oh, routine channels. They're fettin' on us. Trap is frozen. Piece of junk. Well, what's it all about? Got a few things that's straightened out, Best. How long you been working here? Well, you didn't drive out here for that. That's not your game. What's the pitch? Routine investigation. We'd like to know where you've been spending your nights. For instance? Sunday night? Where were you? Well, I don't know. I went to a show. Yeah, I saw Mickey Rooney's picture. Where? Downtown. I had a beer after the show. Come home. How about Monday night? Well, I went home after work. I was pooped. Went to bed early. Can you approve it? Well, Aunt Lady saw me come in while I was snooping around. She oughta know if I was there or not. How about last night, Tuesday? Played some cars with a friend of mine. Him and his wife. Penny Annie Booker. Where? Down on Pico, near the park. You can ask them. What time did you get there? I'm not sure about... 8 o'clock, I guess. What time did you leave? What's it all about? What time did you leave? Around midnight. Must have been around midnight. What'd you play with your friend and his wife? Booker. Booker, lost as usual. Took a streetcar home, went to bed. It was around midnight, I remember. How do you remember? I looked at my watch. Puttin' off for ya. What time did you get home? It takes about half an hour on a trolley. Must've been about 12, 30. Did Aunt Lady say you'd come in? I don't know if she saw me or not. Always snooped around, probably did. You're not sure? No, of course I'm not sure. She looks for me, I don't look for her. You want a gun best? You know better than that copper ex. Cons can't have a gun.  Why not? I was. Say that there's a boss lookin' for me. I better let him know I'm here. Just a minute, best. What's that you got in your back pocket there? Your back pocket, the right one there. Oh, this? Yeah. Baseball cap, why? 4 p.m. We checked the suspect's locker at the service station and drove him back to the office at the interrogation room. We continued questioning him. He denied any knowledge of the holdup and shooting at Stendhal's Bakery Shop the night before. We asked him again about the friends he was supposed to be playing cards with at the time of the robbery. He told us that they lived over on Pico but he couldn't remember the address. He volunteered to direct us there but he said they wouldn't be home. He told us their names were Mr. and Mrs. Clyde Mitchell and that they were in charge of the food concessions at the time. Best was held for suspicion of robbery. That night we drove out and interviewed the landlady at his boarding house. She knew nothing of Best's whereabouts the previous night. She didn't know what time he left or what time he returned. Ben and I went over his room again. There was no sign of a gun. Friday, 2 p.m. Officers Bechtel and Lopez went out to the hospital to see if Mr. Stendhal and his daughter June could identify Best's mug shots. Ben and I drove out to the stadium to locate Mr. and Mrs. Clyde Mitchell. High school kids sure have a lot of fun nowadays.  You sound like you're 85. Some nights I feel like it. The way those kids turned out for these things you'd think USC and Notre Dame were playing. You see the number on that gate over there? Yeah, it's 23. That the number the gatekeeper gave him? Yeah, must be the Mitchell stand over there. Come on. Can you tell us where to find Mr. and Mrs. Mitchell? Y'all round back to the stand. You're knocking the door. Thank you. It's all right. What is it? Police officers. I'd like to talk to you a few minutes. All right. I'm having a bite of lunch.  Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Lazy food business. You never get a chance to feed yourself. Yes, ma'am. Hey, care for some of these? New kind of potato chips. Revolutionary, it says. Mother Thompson's puff chips flavored. Get all kinds, see.  Garlic and eggplant. See, we're inquiring about a friend of yours, Mrs. Mitchell. Maybe you can tell us something about him. Oh, who's that? Ma'am, by the name of Herbert Vest. Herbert, yeah. Old time friend of my husband's. What do you want to know? Do you see him quite often, do you, Mrs. Mitchell? Mm-hmm. Once, twice a month. Chloe and I play cards or go out bowling with him. Herb pretty got me. When's the last time you saw him? Early this week. Tuesday, I think, was. Sure it was Tuesday. Yeah, it was. We played cards, was. That's your play? That's where I load poker. Clyde and Herb and me. What time did Vest get to your place, Mrs. Mitchell? Right after I finished up with the dinner dishes, around 7.45, I'd say. How long did he stay? A couple hours. We sat around, had a few drinks, played poker, nickel limit. What time did he leave, do you remember that? A little before 10, I think. I'm sure that man was important. Sure as I can be. Must have left before 10 because Clyde and I listened to the 10 o'clock news alone. Then we went to bed right after. Mr. Vest tells us he didn't leave your place until midnight. Oh, that's not right. He must be mixed up. He left before 10, I'm sure of that. All right, Mrs. Mitchell, thank you. Say, I hope I haven't said anything I shouldn't have. I know Herb's neck's gone. He likes to gamble. I'm not checking up on him for Tuesday night. Let's try. You're playing too much poker? They're not playing enough. 3.30 p.m. We located Mr. Mitchell, corroborated his wife's story, and then we went back to the city hall. Officers Bechtel and Lopez were waiting for us. They told us that they had seen Mr. Stendall and his daughter, June, at the hospital. Both of them had identified Herbert Best's mugshot as that of the holdup man. At a show-up, Mrs. Stendall and her daughter identified Best. We checked auto records for all stolen cars that might tie in. There were none. We then started to work on the theory that he had taken a bus from his friend's place where he had been playing cards to the Stendall bakery where the shooting took place. Lopez and Bechtel rode the bus over the same route. It took 43 minutes. We had plenty of time for Best to have gotten from one place to the other, even on a slow run. We interviewed the bus driver who had been on duty that particular line Tuesday night between 10 p.m. and midnight. He identified Best as one of his passengers, but he didn't remember where he got off. The next morning, Ben and I met with Ed Walker, Captain of the robbery. Just saw the deputy DA made out the case for him. Yeah, we got the complaint. He'll be around this afternoon. Well, each one of the Stendall family identified Best. His alibi didn't stand up for Tuesday night. And we got that bus driver. He tapped Best, too, in that blue baseball camp. All we need now is the holdup gun. I hate to spoil it for you. Hmm? This letter just came through the mail. Have a look. What do you think? I read in the paper this morning about Herbert Best. You've got the wrong guy. I'm the one who held up that paper. Every detail about that robbery is written down in that letter. The information wasn't in the newspaper's story. The holdup man had no all those details. Yeah, women, isn't it? If you don't believe I'm the right man, I'll shoot up a couple of more jerks. Next time I'll kill them. It's no crank, bloody. No, it isn't. You got the wrong man. You are listening to Dragnet, the case history of a police investigation presented in the public interest by Fatima Cigarettes. If you smoke a long cigarette, it will be in your interest to listen to this case history recorded by a typical Fatima smoker. Hi there. My name is Bab Beckwith. Bab, that's short for Bethany Ann Beckwith. I live in New York City and I'm a fashion stylist. The other day at a showing of the new fall styles, I ran out of cigarettes. A friend of mine, designer, introduced me to the new long Fatima. I really wish someone had told me about them sooner. Fatimas are a lot milder than the cigarettes I've been smoking. And they have a delightful flavor, too. 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This time they picked out eight mug shots of known robbery men each with a mark resemblance to the original suspect Herbert Best. Together with officers Bechtel and Lopez we started checking them out. The first two days we tracked down four of the eight. All of the four were in the clear. 5.15 p.m. we got back to the city hall in the car pool. Any empty spots, Joe? No, but don't park it in any one of the city councilman stalls. Why don't you pull up here? A boy will take care of it. That's good right here. Oh, Garnett. I knew there was something I forgot to do. What's that? They had an underwear sale today. It had a place down in Southfake, shorts, t-shirts. My wife told me to be sure and get down there. That'll be another one. What's that? It sells all the time, don't they? Only twice a year on underwear. Stuff I've got's not going to last until the next time. Friday, man, wait a minute. I'm changing back to here. Hi, Beck. Hi. Yeah, how'd you make out? Two men we checked were clean. We picked up something 77th Street station. Now go ahead, Ben. What's that elevator door? Oh, I'm sorry.  One of our traffic cars saw the collision and took out after the guy, chasing 10 blocks. While they were chasing him, they thought they saw the driver throw something out of the car window. What? I'm coming to that. They finally pulled the car over, great coup. The driver told him his shoulder was wrenched in the accident. He was on his way to his own doctor. Our men took him to 77th Street, had the doctor look at him. While the doctor was treating the guy, only one of the officers was in the room. When he turned to get a drink of water, we found him, and then the doctor jumped out of the window, got away. Teletypes out on him. He went to an awful lot of trouble to beat a traffic ramp. That's the way, impressed the boys out there. They got out of broadcast, and the guy went back to the spot where they thought they saw the guy toss this thing out of his car when they were chasing him. And they found a 32-coat revolver. Our rest camp's checking it now in the crime lab. What'd they say the man looked like? The description measure's pretty close to our holdup guy. I'll get it. Robbery Friday. Yeah, just a minute. See you back. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Russ. Yeah. Okay, fine, right? Russ Camp checked the 32 revolver with the slugs in the Stendhal case. Yeah. Positive make. The gray coupe, which the unidentified suspect had been driving, had been checked out by traffic officers at 77th Street Division. They had found that the owner and driver of the car was a man named Bruno Stock, with a page full of major and minor crimes to his credit. We checked his mama's sheet, and we got out of broadcast on him in an APB. A stakeout had been placed at his last known address. We picked up a sandwich and a cup of coffee for dinner, and then we started checking out Bruno Stock's relatives and friends. By six o'clock the following night, we still had no idea where he was. A little after 9 p.m., we got a call from an informant who told us that Tommy Josephson, a small-time thief and reputedly a friend of Bruno's stocks, wanted to talk to us. We got a call apartment over on West 6th. One thing I want to set you straight on. Bruno's no friend of mine. He's in on the heavy rackets. No heavy rackets, man. He's a friend of mine. All right, we got it. Now where's Bruno? He came here the night, quarter after six, moved right in on me, didn't even ask me. What do you want with you? Now you remember, Bruno's no friend of mine. Yeah, we got that. Now what do you want? A gun. He knew I had one. I keep it for self-protection. You can't trust these heavy men. That rat made me go out and buy dinner for him. My own dog had to bring it back here from. Yeah. Bruno's no friend of mine. What he does with that gun is his grief. It's out of my hands. When did he leave here? An hour ago. I think maybe a little less. Shucked me down like a rat, real heavy guy. Where was Bruno going? I don't know. He's crazy. All them heavy guys are crazy. Talked like somebody with a paper head. Did he tell you where he was going? See a friend of his over in Darktown. He said he was going to borrow his car. He's heavy, I tell you. Said he was going out on a heist tonight. Did he ever write you guys a letter? Why? Well, he told me he was going to prove what he wrote to you. Crazy. I didn't get it at all. Said he was going out to kill a couple of jerks. 9.30 p.m. We got the address of the bowling alley run by Bruno's stock's friend and we called the office. An alert for the suspect was broadcast immediately. Together with Gene Bechtel and Lopez, we drove to the bowling alley. Ben and I went in. Bechtel and Lopez covered the outside. It's a good product. I wonder where they do business. I don't see any counter. No, neither do I. There it is. Way over in front. There's nobody behind the cash register. How about that fellow in the white T-shirt standing by the cigarette machine? Yeah, it looks like he works here. Let's go. Joe, I'm a guy with him. Just turn towards you. Bruno, come on. He ducked in there to the right, Joe. Down behind the alley. Hold it up, Stock. Don't wind it, Joe. I'll invite you through it. Come on. There he is. Get out. Joe, he's in there. Becht. Cover the front. Over the fence, Joe. There he is. I'll give it back. Come on. You see? No. Got to be in the yard somewhere. Yeah. Where'd it come from? I can't see. Keep down. Get upstairs of that house. There he is. Give it up, Stock! All right, mister. Give tag. Come on. What's it look like? It's a shoulder wound. You want to shake him down? Yeah. Joe, Ben, you all right? Yeah. Get an ambulance with you back. Right. I'll throw the cuffs on him. Yeah. That's it, Joe. Yeah. Where you going? I got a phone call to make. Only the names were changed to protect the innocent. The 18th trial was held in Superior Court, Department 84, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a moment, the results of that trial. And now, here is our star, Jack Webb. Thank you. In the record bureau of all metropolitan police departments, there's a special file in which all known criminals are catalogued and cross-indexed according to identifying marks. Marks which help the working detective. And so, with a cigarette. The outstanding identifying mark of Fatima is quality. The careful selection and blending of only the finest Turkish and domestic tobaccos to make Fatima extra mild. If you're a long cigarette smoker, you'll find like I did, that every pack is extra mild. You'll find it's the best of long cigarettes. Smoke Fatima. Bruno Alfred Stock was tried and convicted of first-degree robbery and assault with intent to commit murder, two counts. 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