They are all buy one get one free or bogey and We got three events going on same time So 21 summit is like an umbrella convention going on for three different conferences at the same time One for fathers one for men and one for the women whammy and Each one's a bit different well substantially different unique focus speaking line-ups content all kinds of cool stuff Tickets are on sale the 21 convention dot org that's dot org and again I'll take it's our buy one get one free VIP includes five night hotel stay This is the patriarch convention aka the 21 convention third patriarch edition third year in a row. We're doing that one for fathers We are rebuilding the patriarchy one father at a time Elliott Hulse is exclusive to that event As far as a men's events go Michael Foster pastor is the chief patriarch of the event the ceremonial leader of it Is the women's event? I'll be speaking there and Professor Janice Femango fucking savage lady amazing lady who loves beating up on feminism in very intelligent ways And of course the main event with big youtuber here Richard Grannon It's got about 300,000 subs huge on psychology trauma healing from trauma as a man and Jack Donovan author of the way of men and actually many of the books beyond that including his new book fire in the dark There's about 15 to 20 speakers per convention.    That's okay subscribe on YouTube hit like appreciate your support there Without further ado, please a welcome to the show Alex playing fire coach John Anthony and from platinum dating system dot-com Awesome I'm from platinum dating system dot-com now Yeah, man. Yeah, I mean, it's I know you have it there anyway, so if you could be good, right?   All you need is a high brand of local mind and lots of verbal abuse the child There you go.  I also got to meet I meet Alex back and down to Miami recently when I interviewed covertate We got to have cigars and shit one night. Yeah, good times Yeah, it's cool man.  You're like 23 24,000 subs and Alex you cracked 60,000 recently, right? I was correct on that. Okay next up 100k. Yeah, man. Yeah Yeah, there's been a I've been more diligent with the video. So putting out videos almost every other day now Trying to cover a wide variety of topics Going after we did a recent video about how Vladimir Putin uses frame control very interesting video We got another one art. You said what is it who didn't use this frame control? Prudent Putin president. Oh president. Oh Vladimir Putin. Okay.  Yeah, Trump as well. Yeah, that was well That's going to be the next video actually probably So we're doing a lot of interesting content like that trying to grow the channel But unfortunately people don't really want to see like I just had a I was telling you guys at the group chat I had a doctor on Yesterday, he's one of the best in my opinion hormone doctors in the world I think he has a youtube channel with over 30,000 subscribers Highly in demand guy very intelligent very knowledgeable and men's health and just health in general You know went to school for like over 10 years.    It's feminine drama. It's like bro.    You know everyone's like that, right?  If I've been sending you this tag thing I used to help on youtube and it helped a lot Yeah, rap tags.  I swear a lot and talk about inappropriate shit, but whatever at this point they probably automatically demonetize you so it does Yeah, you probably make a video where you don't curse you just talk about jesus and you'll still get demonetized Yeah Why I have two channels this is stream on two channels right now 20 in studios to write the big one and the red man group the smaller one Which is like 15,000 16,000 subs I can upload the same video to both channels upload not even live stream right upload the same exact video 20 in studios will be green. It'll get a green money sign. That's fine.  Even if you're not 100% Yeah, it's the same thing with instagram It's the same thing with instagram if you have over a million followers You have different standards.   Like, you know, anthony john anthony anthony johnson But uh, I love that.   I never get any strikes either. Like they've never given me a single I never had a strike either. Yeah, I've had I've had a whole bunch I've had I've had multiple I've had multiple instances where I've had I've been down to the two out of three strikes And I have to like private all my controversial videos Which is a lot of them and I wait 90 90 days and just kind of like keep it pc for 90 days But that's because people people with false copyright strikes on things which I've threatened legal action back on them And that those different players Well, you're also super combative. I mean, I love conflict too, but you're just like a bulldog You got everyone man. I love it. You know, I love seeing it. Well dog mindset Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll be 21 man bulldog. Yeah, he's gonna be there at least in the last day Maybe two days at an event. Yeah, are you doing it? I'm gonna be speaking there.  Yeah, man. We talked about this on our last live stream. We're talking about doing a podcast before or afterwards Okay Yeah, the event still you know, I had it pulled up a minute ago My chick's birthday is like during the event. So I don't know how that's gonna happen gonna work if she wants to celebrate her birthday This is a major event too, man. Let's go out at night or something But all her friends are like, what a deal. We have greek gods speaking of it.  Or Yeah, pretty much there's no men. It's for women. So there's no men allowed at it I mean If a chick has like a husband, you know, he can go to it. I'm obviously go. I do it. It's all men speaking at it Number one Almost all men. I've just taken at it not to But now like the woman you if you're a chick you can't go to 21 convention. It's not for you If if you're chaperone like my sister can go and hang out because I'm like there if a speaker has a wife or a A girlfriend that's fine like john johnson has brought some tender trick last year I think he's dating now actually something on tampa. He's just pretty hot too.    It's the worst one I've seen Like it's that bad.  She was like, do you she didn't publish this part? But she's like, do you regret calling these different guys girlfriends and wives like twos or threes? And I was like And I was trying to give politically correct answers most of the time But I was like no, I don't because yeah, like men have objective attraction circuitry Yeah, and I mean nothing against the woman personally. It's not a misogynistic statement either It's that we can all agree is men that this woman is below average. So yes, I can't say that.  It has like 1.3 k likes and 1.3 k dislike.  It's not fair to expose his financial situation. Okay What are these guys doing? Like, you know, how are they experts when the girl's below average? It's mind-boggling to me to this day. I can't understand it How is most of the industry dating below average girls?   Yeah inflated ratings.    They're delusional inflation It's so true when we when we post when I go through the forms And people say yeah, I think this uh six or the the joke we have is like, okay So it was a three like whatever the number of the person says it's three points lower. Yeah, I think to say it Okay, so she was just average. Yeah, I think this 10. Okay, so she was somewhat cute Yep Yeah, it's I think here's my theory on it.  It's like a seven or an eight. That's the absolute pinnacle of what they could bang in real in life, right?  So I think that's why they do it It's like eights and nines and tens are not even they don't even exist to them, right?  Yeah, I'm like in the process I've been compiling like To show like more data stuff I'm going to show like all my main girls and and monogamous girlfriends over the past decade Because I've always had the standard of having them be a nine plus for over 10 years And they have to be a bunch of qualities internally as well It's not just pure looks But as a standard you have to be a nine plus to be the main rotation girl or to be a monogamous girlfriend So really in every every different city that I had like in vegas was like a serbian model in Portugal was like a brazilian stripper and In poland it was like a 19 year old like former playboy ukrainian chick Um like here. It's the girl. I bring on my channel Who's like an engineer but like in each of the cities?    Yeah, but I said to troll him.    I think like the first hundred like we're being real In the first hundred Yeah, it was debatable for sure As I got better it the average quality went up and there's always still like that in one night where you dip a little bit But the average quality if you like graph it out kind of all scientifically like it kept going up But you know, it's crazy to me.  I can't say everything on camera, but What I'm trying to make is that I have to like you have to start a bit higher than whatever your I guess glass ceiling is because it's going to go down So if I was to marry a chick she would have to start off as a nine or 10 because Eventually she's going to go down to a seven or eight for me So if you start with like a six like she's going to be a three or four Well, let's be real too scientifically Now this is not science. This is more like manuscript stuff I think both you will agree that men in the manuscript for a while We've been saying that men age like wine so you kind of get a little better and more refined as you age You become more masculine become wiser. Yeah, women age like milk. They fall apart and physically it's true I heard the yeah, I heard the stats yesterday on my mentorship call Some guy like had the had the stats that you just looked up and women are supposed to be in their prime at 23 and men are in their prime at 38. I'm turning 38 in october Yeah, man, and then and then for men also that it's they stay like relatively like at their highest point There's like a very slow drop off even into like the mid 50s Yeah, so and that like carries me right into like the singularity destroying civilization At least virtual sex, you know becoming very prevalent paradigm shifting Well, it becomes it's beyond that for women though physically even without even getting the singularity stuff Like their skin their skin ages faster than ours a wrinkles faster because it's thinner It's ours is designed to actually withstand being like hit and cut and stuff and heal faster, right?  Yeah, that's like my It is unusual though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's the exceptions, of course And my dad I'm sure has pretty high testosterone because he's still pretty ripped and he's 56 But I think there's like exceptions.    They're all very prone to obesity and so am I But I've not been fat since I was like 16.  It's unnecessary.  I don't know. No, I've never been I've always been prone to skininess.  I just got like bloated up and stuff I don't want to ask you uh, so you're 64. That's this really tall like I'm barely 510 I say 511 511 the internet 510 in real life What's that like 1% I google it in the u.s. It's 1% of people are or 64 Easy. Yeah, even number six foot's unusual. It's like Top 5% or 10% like it's unusual But anyway, I want to ask you like how do you think that has affected your game and your ability to bang a lot of women Like obviously, it's a good thing being taller in short So what do you what do you thought something tall like I'm Guys always ask me that and I never had good game when I before I had my growth spurt Which was like end of high school um But I've taught tons of clients that were short that I've gotten into the multi hundred lay count So just using them as reference like it's it's not I'm not a coach says it looks don't matter The height doesn't matter and this he doesn't matter the thing is it just doesn't matter nearly as much as guys think Like if a guy's in his 40s That'll be some girls have a problem with your age, but it's not going to be nearly as many It's not going to be anything significant or if a guy is like Asian or Indian and western culture Maybe some girls might have an issue with that but but tons won't right or the height thing So it's more of like the most important thing is not to let those things handicap you in your own mind Because then you come in like defeating yourself before you even had a chance And it becomes like a self-fulfilling prophecy guys and it comes in all shapes and sizes guys will go in I've had on live programs all my hairlines are seeding and they think every girl's staying at their hairline and every Every blowout negative reaction is because of the hairline and every guy has like their own like silver bullies in their head They're like oh, I'm not getting results because of this And then and then they're like well see look it's because I'm short right so Yes, some girls are gonna like care about guys being shorter, especially when they're wearing heels But there's still tons of other hot girls There was I just saw this chick today on instagram was like a 10 with it and she was kind of short The dude's like her height, you know, but he was like muscular. So if you're shorter Lift weights and you know optimize what you can in your control.    It just is what it is, you know, you got lucky. Congratulations.  Yeah um, I don't know I don't I don't I don't know how much I would Would attribute to that it definitely helps I think guys should be playing with like a lot of the smv stuff in there in their control But like to be fair I didn't really work on my smv at all through the majority of my leg count or very minimally Like I was like fairly skinny through most of my leg count and I just kind of like Compensated for that by just wearing jeans jeans and a button down like if I wear a jean Like I'm in like pretty good shape now But if I wear jeans and a button down it doesn't look a whole lot different than when I was wearing jeans A button down before I used to wear a lot of coats Like if I was in like New York or Philadelphia or whatever I would and I found my game like would perform slightly better I think when I had a coat on but that might have been my head. I'm not sure but but basically like, you know I didn't start like just recently like in the past six months.  It's permanent Um, see I can't wrinkle my forehead get that done every six months The eye bag thing will be re-upped in like a month But like I got people thought I was like 27 about a week ago I usually get between like 27 32 or 33 But I'm gonna be 38 in october and there's other guys that are my age that look like they're like 50 They're like, you know, like they're they just they just let themselves go Yeah Yeah, I started trt like two years ago or so And and for those like a lot of people think like all that steroids or this and that all it's doing is putting your your hormone levels back to where they're supposed to be back to like where they were when in your late teens early 20s So if you do it through an endocrinologist and they're monitoring, you know The levels you're just putting things back into an optimal because we're not meant to live much past 30 biologically So a lot, you know, the the the testosterone falls off a cliff like the other hormone was a dh ea or something like that Yeah, it's not steroids like steroids are different than doing it through a doctor and it's a lot of shit, too A lot of the bodybuilders Yeah, it's it's yeah, that's the one of the things that gets confused in the pickup red pill nanosphere, whatever the difference between Yeah, to stop trt and steroids Oh, you're bringing on a big top dictionary. Yeah, it's on the link.  He's uh, I've asked a lot of guys. I have no issue with that guy We we different worldviews, but he's respectful. He brought me on his channel and didn't didn't attack anything and he was respectful And um, and I like that he goes after a lot of these fuckers as well Yeah, but you know, I don't have anything. I don't have any beef with that guy So I know I know he's got other guys I think I think he like they like snuck bulldog. I think when they brought him on the show, but Yeah, I did think that was pretty fucked up, but it's not from that. Yeah, he's all right.   He stayed on there for like six hours What are you doing? Putting up with this Dude, I don't have the patience for that.  Well, he a long movie right two hours maybe two and a half. It's super long yet But I like The podcast I did with the black pill guy Uh, no, I saw it came up. I'm subscribed to your channel But I I just it's hard because there's like none of not of time to like fit in business and girl stuff and gym and like martial arts All this stuff. So I don't there's not like a whole lot of extra free time But I'm like shifting things around in my company to free up more time Um, but yeah, I saw it pop up with face in lms.   Um I get guys They hate these arguments. I know a guy blah blah blah But since I've coached I've coached thousands of guys now over the past 10 years and I'm like a data analyzer I kind of have it like compartmentalized. I sign up guys weekly that are like tall and jacked that that are like We just had a guy in spain. He looks like a male model.  It was total luck. I have no idea what i'm doing Um, and he said his friends are all perplexed and it's just that he like fucks up the cold approaches He fucks up the texting when he does happen to get past the texting to a date.  They just don't suck And and like the vast story of my clients are like average looking or maybe a little above average looking And I get lots of them on tracks do 50 to 100 a year That doesn't mean that looks don't matter. It's just that the strategy part of the equation is definitively the majority of the of the equation Is what is what I found because I have so much data Regardless of guys looks or I've even gotten lots of like ethnic guys or short guys, you know into multi underlay count It's it's not the definitive factor. That doesn't mean that they have the same chances If all think if their game was equal they have the same chances No, the guy with the better looks would would have a better shot But guys can still get the day in life of their dreams with proper game unless they you know I had one guy to be fair who had like a deformed face from a car accident And he actually was like nobody wanted to match him on tinder and he's like you told me I you know still maybe they'll get results and You know he was just like all upset and I but that's just because his face was deformed But like if that's extreme that's an extreme case, you know, so Yeah, you have extreme cases avid like the bottom two percent Yeah, those guys unfortunately for better for worse like they're fine What my advice for those guys is to make a lot of money Get and bang sugar babies because that's that's really what those guys Those guys are an extreme minority like most guys who think they fall into that category. They're really not they're just a little overweight They just have a bad haircut Yeah, I'm gonna jump in here with something I think both you'll appreciate So we're talking about the inflation that these man is for you guys, right? They all this bullshit, right with how they view girls and rate them ridiculous You know, totally delusional evaluations the same our girls are delusional a lot of time and evaluating themselves, right?    But I think that's really the test of how good his game is is can he punch at so to speak at his own weight class Or above a little bit So if you're if the dudes of five and he can bang sixes and sevens, that's really good, man Like you're not banging any dines and tens who cares like you're if you're a five You're doing really good. That means you have skill means you have game means you've worked at it It means you're putting in the effort where it counts So that's me The dating coach is this is where at these frauds, right?     It was it was confusing to me.   Anyway, we got md on too We can pull in What's up, bro? Hey, what's up, man? How you guys doing? Doing good, man. Welcome. I was curious to ask you about I saw I think it was like Modern life dating. Uh, people are saying like your true identity is revealed.  They can say whatever they want, man. I look at it this way, right? They say things so people will forget that he takes pictures of children While they aren't looking he's a child predator And I've already spoke with lawyers law enforcement, you know It comes to a point I was making a transition to go into a more wisdom type channel and knowledge because people see that, you know That's where I come from And you know, I wrote the book the 48 laws of dating and I stand by every law that's in there because it's scientific, right? Now the dating coaches or the real social dynamics, whatever guys want to call themselves They have to make a position either. They're going to be the supporter of a child predator like modern life dating John hotwood Are they going to be a man?  He doxxed his own clients So that's another thing too dating coaches or whatever to what they want to do that I that that is, you know Agreeable or not agreeable the line has to be drawn.   So it's beyond that man. There's a woman. There's a woman beaters and child beaters and the man is for two And I'm going after them lately a little bit.  I mean it has to be drawn there You don't tell guys to beat women or you would not critique that you don't take pictures of children What happened there? Can you guys do you guys there's a clip of uh of him just ranting about how he would like beat a girl Oh, yeah, we should watch it. You guys want to watch it?     He's lost two.   Oh, here we go. You guys ready?  No, I haven't seen this Yeah, so it's like it's 13 minutes long. So we're just gonna watch the first like 30 seconds But uh, it actually gets worse past the opening someone pulled up And uh, let's see here. All right. We've got audio on this too, right? I think we got audio on this Let me make sure Is he on steroids? Can you guys hear that? No, I think the audio is off. Do you have it uploaded to your stream yard videos? No, but I can get the audio on it When you do the when you do the share me now extreme this other day when you do the share, there's an option to include the audio It'll work. Hang on a second. I can get this. It's easier to do it as well I'm the same but I can get it this way crack the stream yard code Really man, anthony johnson deserves a lot of credit for bringing this out man The people that are calling out, you know, not everybody's gonna agree on everything But there's certain things that we agree on and you know that you know, you the line is drawn You know Advocating women and beating and all of that. No, okay. We got the audio. We got the audio and thank you man. I appreciate that It's it's sick. What's going on this community room clean it up. So here we go. Here we go. You ready?  Give me a 10 in your prison sentence, man Donovan will attempt to report this. They don't get hang on it gets better man.  It's it's sick.  I had to call my lawyer paul pal.  Yeah Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna need to get on down to the station I would have hauled off and I would have just decked her I would have made damn sure that she never talked that way to me again. Can you pause real quick? Yeah, this shit's unreal.    We just saw a guy advocating beating women on video What was the context there?  I study martial arts so I can understand Yeah, how to take a weapon away how to wrestle and grapple with somebody. I mean I met the graces in the 90s So I've been practicing for a while.    I said, yeah, you think what you're telling me I wouldn't say to your face That I know is insinuating that if I did that you would do something physical And I will do it to your face There's not a problem. I'm gonna speak. I will speak louder and say whatever I feel And I still don't have a problem with him because he's one of the less Confrontative ones, but I did feel that he was sent by rola tamasi Uh and richard cooper because they're the ones that they run these guys And you know and and you know they have to be called out and and I commend anthony for calling them out I commend other guys, you know who call them out People are gonna do what they want to do But you know and and I'm not going to criticize it anymore.  I got the audio I got the audio So, you know their picture will be behind that and this is when because when somebody Criticizes the atmosphere if people don't call it out that everybody gets lumped into that basket Well, why didn't you say? Silence is consent at that point. Who are the guys who are advocating that? Uh, I I didn't want to say his name at the moment.  Yeah, yeah, exactly So, you know, I mean and it's it's up. Uh matter of fact is a channel He was blackpill studies.  Um, and that channel has I think where he was he put the text comments where he said rake doesn't hurt women a rake doesn't hurt women and um Uh, he also advocated it, you know, he did it once in the chat and she even boom boom banned him Funny enough. I don't speak with them either. It's so much people that These guys are like I said before they're not Men they're they're males, you know, it takes majority to be a pause here because initially john anthony asked the context of this video with Donovan talking about beating women and you everyone can go watch it's 13 minutes long. Talks about beating men, too Here's what I think number one. These are not out of context. These are some of these are pretty long He talks very openly about the stuff, right?       Don't talk like this period I'll be super embarrassed if there's like a clip of me like doing that Even if it wasn't talking about beating a girl it was just like kind of posturing like alpha It's hard.    We go dude. Yeah They have an army of trolls too h e h in the chat. He's a troll. He's on discord doxing people So and he tries to come in here. Oh md's the next now.  We don't support woman beating We don't support forced snuggles. Uh, I mean, Tony Bruno Child beating too man. This is a child beaters around Exactly exactly. Yeah, you're absolutely ahead about about tony brunner though. He's watching right now He said, uh, I think it was michael forster on his uh, he came on his stream and I met him really cool guy Uh, he said that there was a guy I think it was in the church and they called him taking pictures Of a young girl and he took the phone They all surrounded him. I think and they took the pictures off and I asked him what he would do You know, if he saw hogwood, he goes well, you know, I'm not you know I knew he was playing it safe on camera, you know, and he goes that phone would be mine You know, and I'm like, thank you. Thank you for you know being real about that just for starters. Yeah, exactly exactly No, I mean, I see I see your point. Uh, I was watching your stream with a bulldog mindset And again, I was saying this earlier.  I wouldn't do it.  They have argument over it. Exactly. I don't know why they didn't take like a strong stance It's all I was asking for that's all I was asking for for any of them. I was like, hey, I'll just leave everything alone Just say this just just ex-communicate this child predator. Jonathan hogwood. That's all you need to do Well, here's the good news. Here's the good news. Hang on So recently mld was supposed to do some sort of meetup down near alex in miami Uh some hot dude con which is like the gayest thing ever it Yeah, I saw a picture of that on instagram.  Why didn't he show up? Why does any if if if mld weirdo child stalker pedo would is going to brag about on instagram or whatever The fraud father hanging out with him a miami and the fraud father was a miami.  He didn't go So I think what's happening is that number one rollo the fraud father is a narcissist npd clinical like 100% right? That's my view. It's been that i'm not a doctor, but that's been my view for a long time Those kind of people are users and abusers They do what they use and discard male or female.     Oh, yeah.   So rollo didn't have to that's how we're a lot. He always uses a buffer, right? Whether it's mld or rich cooper or someone else.  It's so obvious, you know So I think that's slowly happening. You know, it's been ridiculously slow to happen Yeah, I think it's so cringe too. I don't I just don't understand how people like like his video He starts off the first three minutes of sin bragging about how awesome he is. Yeah The smartest guy ever on the best I do think rich cooper did an interview with him recently or a live stream with him Yeah, so, you know rich just has no morals. He's in a gutter Simp is rich is obsessed with money. He's completely obsessed with money That's how that's a rollo plays cooper He just plays him for money and then that's how I was able to win too though When rollo was trying to use cooper to rollo use cooper to attack me in public That video still up to go He's defaming my convention saying it's unsafe. We're gonna get shot.  It was totally wrong.  That's a great idea. I'm gonna buy cooper out and there's emails of this I can show you guys and rollo's like no, no, no, no, no, no Cooper's not by you. I didn't think I'm like no, no, no, no. I'm gonna buy cooper out. Thanks rollo It's a great idea and rollo got really pissed off and then cooper he bit for the money because cooper was like cooper Cooper's kind of associate path for money, right?   No, not at the time.   I mean a hundred percent How does he go broke with with the book? I mean, he should be how to make him more than enough money from the royalties I know that he's been supporting his mother-in-law for a long time like she lived with him for like 10 12 years He bought her house in florida. I think I kind of sympathize with that.     He has no male friends Never ever ever ever ever talks about having friends.  It is dude. It's so bad. It's terrible.   We got to fix it dude We got to just drain everything I think the problem though is for like the average person because it's like tribes, right?  There's not a lot of independence Well now it's become I think it's a healthy split now though Because now the community is being divided into frauds or like genuine grassroots So there's a grassroots man's sphere and guys who actually care about all these issues And then there's frauds who just want to prey on men and kind of like politics He keeps getting more polarized their thing is actually a really good thing The all these frauds need to go away.     Yeah It seems like they're both either gonna be sitting there doing the drugs together because she's probably like the next crack head You know the stripper pole And there's even a worse one that just betrayed us We we put her hand out, you know We hey you can come on the show and which was a mistake Carolina and she tried to flaunt and show herself so I showed a picture of her I didn't think somebody could look worse than uh, donovan sharp's wife But carolina does you know and um, of course, you know, no kids and all of that But you know, I'm just gonna let her go and start making peace with a lot of people if uh, Jay tahoe comes on tonight, you know, I kind of I kind of did go a little harsh on him because you know I figured okay.  I figure there's no sense to get angry It's just to say all right. Look like anthony said there's gonna be a division Fruits and no it's you know people will support child predators and people who don't you know people who Women being you know people who don't so and that's where it's at, you know Everybody's gonna have different things, but at least we're not there on that side of it. We're on the right side Yeah How like We're all together on the stream because I would say you and I for example We have widely different opinions on things but we all agree. I'm like, you know The idea that you should take pics of kids or Yeah Absolutely right instead of arguing about things that are different We say, okay, what are the good things we agree with right because all that other shit is menial compared to it Oh the women the pickleball that's menial compared to taking pictures of freaking kids and the law enforcement Technology specialists I spoke with and and I have the interview. I'm just editing I was editing it as I was going through youtube and I saw you guys live and that's when I was like Hey, let me just say what's up showing my support and I saw you two guys on here I did see alex on uh face's stream. I didn't see the whole thing face wanted me to come on that stream And uh, he said he saw the email too late because we spoke earlier that week and um I think somebody threatened him because they've been threatening people They threatened to hold the truth not to come on a stream They threatened cbp and they threatened a few other people that didn't come on a few people closed their channels down You know, yeah, I feel truth to take his channel down. I love that jazz channel Yeah, he kind of yeah, he was uh, he walked away and I told him. Hey, you know what because I told him I said look man With the thing that was going on between him and anthony or john anthony I told him look you need to just let that be I said the real enemy here The real problem is uh, modern life is uh, john hugh would roll it's it's all it's the frauds exactly It's the whole yeah Wait he's he stopped putting it up because of the we we had like a minor thing I made one video because he was trying to make all these memes about me and all this stuff Well, I tried to explain like look let him say the black pill and all it is. It's not a gang It's not a it's not a label. It's you know, it's it's something that was a metaphor for truth What the red pill from the matrix was right?  I mean, it's so messed up that they just the things they do to these people I mean, I mean they threaten them and it's because I mean he was anonymous. What could they do?    She deleted Had my co-hosts do interviews with her, but it's a good lesson.  So laughing about the comment up here Hey, I'm gonna go first To heaven 300 to 500 Wow, that's a wide range, man. Yeah, I'm about 130 Yeah, I've been slowing down too for a while. I want to keep it under 150 Make sure you know, you know your lay counter, man I knew there was a problem when I was forgetting girls that I had sex with like later on, you know Because when I was the military soldier as a teenager, you know, there was a lot of a lot of women You know women do love men in a uniform But I saw that it was a little more than that because some of my other friends, you know, they didn't get the treatment I was you know, I was reading we're only meant to like keep track of like 100 people in our minds because Like when we used to be in tribes and shit like that.  So I never uh I was never that guy that was like, okay I got you know, like a lot of women I did have like what I guess would be considered a rotation Because I grew up in the era of of like the drug era in new york city, you know So there was freaking everybody was throwing pussy around women It was a lot easier to get women because you had Currently doing on sharing or uh late 40s. Yeah And you know, you know, I'm I'm gonna be in the 50s You know, but the thing is is as I get older I noticed the main thing is staying in shape staying in very good shape eating right exercising Um, and really at this point is really finances, you know, just just doing my normal stuff and um And getting in touch with uh with more than you know, because I consider myself a spiritual person I'm not religious, you know, I'm very scientific, but you know Uh knowledge and all of that has always been a part of me science and study and archaeology and stuff like that And when I do come out, you know, I've been out. I've been on radio shows for about 10 11 years now People say, oh wow, okay.  This is him. I'm saying, okay If it is or it isn't right How does that compare to a guy taking pictures of children? How does it compare to a guy? Well, hang on, hang on before we continue. I wanted to pull this up I don't know if any of you guys are familiar with this archaea selection theory This is like in animals first of all, but also there's theories for a while in our decades that this applies to human beings And that our species is basically split and that's actually one of the reasons even you see politics So heavily split in a lot of countries like america So our case selection theory is basically the idea that Men and women both as far as I understand it The species is we have different breeding strategies Basically, like some guys are like, you know, md says like a one woman kind of guy. What does that mean? Well, it could mean he says like he's genetically case selected Like you're born this way and that you don't have any huge interest in banging a limited woman You want to find like one or two chicks or whatever and like breed like a whole bunch of kids out of them And animals like I'm serious like whales are like this wolves are like this and it's different from like mice and like rabbits Yeah, I read in various neuroscience books the monogamy is A certain part of our brain is wired up from an army and homo sapiens don't have it There's like species of monkeys that are that never have more than one mate And then they tinker with that part in their brain and then it goes and starts mating with everyone They found this is more complex though This is saying that like this our species is not uniform in that that it's different Like literally split like half and half Yeah, I would agree with that guys Or literally just one girl type of guy like they're legit. They're not trying like these guys who can get late But like no man, I'm happy like I want to be with one girl But some guys are not some guys really The book that I'm working on before I leave the manosphere or You can never escape the manosphere But when I go into just you know a different sector is all about that It's about the the effects of sperm the genetics and you know women that it's just a proven scientific fact If they had a lot of partners they cannot pair bond anymore That's it. I mean not saying that they can't stay with a guy forever But this is a fact. Uh, men also there's a hormone that allows us to bond like Anthony said And Alex is saying I would say it goes beyond what Alex is saying or just split or I would say It might be a couple of different categories A guy might be monogamous After a few relationships a guy might not be monogamous Birth control right it has a lot to do when women take birth control, right? And this is something I'm putting in the book if a guy and his wife are You know if she's on birth control, right? Uh and and she gets off birth control after five years and they have a kid, right? It changes because when she's on birth control She's attracted to the way he smells while she's on that contraceptive because the contraceptive is altering her chemistry When she's off it and she has the kid now she's not attracted to him sexually because it has changed her physiology and it and and they break up she leaves And she I get now she's she's got a she's a single mother She doesn't want the father of the child this is chemical conditioning and the I think it was the son or grandson of Margaret Sanger who who had the Planned Parenthood stuff the straight eugenic genocide He was he wrote a book. I'm citing it in my book. Uh It was something about the pill. It might be called a pill But this doctor I was talking to showed how he was saying it's destroying Male sperm count since the 60s. It's dropped. Uh, I think it was 50 percent You know 50 percent.  I don't know I don't know if that's true or not. I got 50 50 on that stuff. I haven't looked into it too much You see what is the estrogen in the water? Uh one doctor. Um She's she's a catholic from from england I think and she was stating that uh the estrogen is in the water Like crazy now as we look 40 50 now we're 60 years later, right in the last 20 years. I mean I've got a pretty long Dating you know, I've been dating since the late 80s and having sex So I saw when I was just uh, you know, basically a the teenager young going into my 20s and and the sexual inflation which a lot of people say according to term I saw when it was low when the stock and vagina was very low and when communities are flooded with drugs the stock and vaginas is is almost it's it's it's like a dime, you know $10, you know When I was in the military guys were telling me in career. You're paying two to five dollars to get screwed Um in america at that time.       You know, I've been doing this coaching for Full time since 2013 I was coaching before that I haven't had a real job 2013 So when you can stack multiple dates in a day and you're what and you're running a highly effective system You can knock out 100 in a year with just two closes a week But it wasn't all about indexing quantity. It's definitely a lot easier if you don't have a real job I can vouch for you. Yeah, but just having good skill is a byproduct you and the pool I'll say this though. I've been going out with Xavier since like 2009 when we started hanging out way back then And he's fucked about 200 to 250 so quite a bit more than about double But the reality is if he's a chubby chaser, he fucks.  I've made fun. I made him a hat So make make women fat again.  Yeah, exactly.   I fucked my prom night She's a legit eight then and even at hindsight now I got I guess you could say I got lucky, right? Or it's kind of how things played out I got fortunate that kind of set the bar like an eight And I've always been super super reluctant to go beneath an eight Because like in my head I was 17.    It's gross to me.  Yep And chicks just have better genetics.   It's like don't don't bust Yeah, it's just I don't know man.  Like this is disgusting.      I'm also it was it was really uh at that age.  I lost my virginity the end of first year of college to a Slightly heavier chicks probably a six and a half or seven, but hey, let's um Where's the something I want to talk? There's no comment. I wanted to pull up here. Here it is This is good. Mr. Noir says why are people shocked that there's in fighting in this space?  They can't even back up, right? But I think the man is here.   Why is there the people are shockers in fighting in this space? I think it's a it's a coping mechanism.  He's another troll. That's in the chat I've been I've been documenting these guys.  Oh, why aren't we fighting with each other? Why because we're men and we're mature enough to say look, we're going to each have different outlooks It might be political. It might be in real life. It might be What, you know, how we feel about women, but we know that we're mature enough to say, okay Hey, you know what? We have a line that's drawn that there are the things that we do agree with with of course, you know We're not going to cross that line like hogwood and rollo And I want to address also with the with the fat chick thing, you know And you're right when you have a higher bar and you say, okay, I want to go for eight I notice that fat chicks that get laid by good-looking guys. They're bar raises And they're like, they're not going to sleep. We're right guys.  I mean that's straight skeletal from masses of you No comment. No comment.  That's that's what happens to the girls Well, yeah, so Anthony is in is in brazil right now Yeah, more hot women down there to men, you know, so it's like just more women and men So then what do you see you see like chicks with the egg build like carolina? She's not getting nothing, you know She could come to america and guys will simp for her in brazil They don't want to look at her because they got these other chicks to look at same thing for eastern europe. Yeah Eastern europe eastern europe. It's uh, yeah, you can't get away with being like, you know Well, I notice in ukraine they're getting a little more picky because they don't want the pump and dump thing Ukraine and I like ukraine in girls that pretty Other than kiev that I would never go back. It takes two to five days to close And there's so much like influx of sex tourism there from like, yeah It's just a culture one thing also i was telling you john when you were there There's also this like because i'm russian and I know they create your culture really well There's like this very strong mistrust it goes back from the soviet days of america So just like if you spoke russian fluently, I think you would have a not substantially different experience But like a noticeably different experience The women have been like roomed in a sense. I was talking to a lot of the local guys Um, since there's like so much influx of sex tourism They all expect to be treated like, you know, basically like pampered and this and that a lot of them just expect guys to give them gifts and You know, they're trying to be like sugar babies and stuff like that just just off the bat I had chicks on dates. They're like, hey, I want to get like this and this can you buy for me? Do I have first dates or or like I need to grow them all for a date So claud I need to stop over here and she like takes like a chocolate stand and orders all these expensive chocolates She's like here pay for it. I've never I've never experienced that anywhere else Here's a question.  I think it's america. Is there anywhere worse? America, america, australia those three countries about that one. Actually, that's a good question london is When I was there ugly man straight up, I got two London and they're from london actually And it's small like I do better when I'm there Then a guy from england coming to new york city because new york city is just ridiculous. The sexual inflation is off the handle Um russia alex is right like I have a lot of russian friends and I know a couple of phrases, you know I think specific us. Thank you.  I'm like, well, I've dated russian chicks. I've dated huggarian chicks. I can say good morning and all of these little phrases.  So I speak, uh, polish, uh, some russian and then Portuguese Spanish and Portuguese are my strongest. I'm pretty foolish. I knew somebody gene. Uh, it's gene dobby, right? Yeah, wow, holy because I've learned how to say about greetings in 20 languages But I didn't learn any fluently. I said, let me learn the basics, right? But five languages fluently I commend you. No, not not fluent the other ones within spanish and portuguese fluent But there's a there's a guy michelle thomas. He's a german linguist have a video on my channel about it. Basically he Um, he has like a patent on this method where he just teaches you like the major 500 words He says if you do an analysis of the new york times, it's like the same 500 words repeated over and over So he just started you just start right off speaking sentences. You can get conversational in like the top 15 languages or so within about six eight hours Without any google translator anything like that. That's really good Commonly what you said though, there's definitely a lot of truth One of the things I teach is if you have a type like you're into like let's say korean girls You're into spanish girls learn a few phrases from that language doesn't give you huge not a huge But it's gonna give you a noticeable Advantage it like builds a lot of instant comfort basically like run off the bat if you can say Yeah, I was to that to that country's question I would say I would say ukraine was like the biggest difference I saw from all my travels is just that It's like nearly impossible to get one night stands or to bang on the first date It sounds crazy, but like most of them don't want to come home with you I had a lot of situations where we'd be on the fourth date in public and they wouldn't want to kiss yet There's a lot of fucked up elements of russian and ukrainian culture. It's pretty much the same culture But um, yeah, they're just like hardcore family oriented when I lived in china Uh, everyone's like extremely passive because a lot of the dudes are just like The culture is everything's very you know, the chicks were telling me like they've never had a dude like act as confident before like Just like a shell shock because they're not used to guys acting that way Yeah, china's very it's uh, you know, they the You know, I don't want to say nothing bad about the country But the oppression you know, I mean when you're looking at you know the communism the stuff that I mean the the males You see it in the in the populace of the males of how they act, you know, uh, I've had russian friends tell me Hey, man. Be careful in russia, you know, and um I you know speaking those phrases alex is right It gets me very far when they're like, wow, you know, you know how to say the basics that I think pleases pa jowsta Uh, and like you just you know, you say these little things and they're like wow, but china for some reason I was never really attracted to that part. I'm more wrecked. I was never either I was never really attracted to asian girls unless it's like big Yeah, I remember I remember I pulled uh I was like out in china. It was like it was on my birthday.   So I'm just I mean, I haven't looked at the comments yet.  Well, I put on stream You're you know when it starts it has private chats, but I switch it to comments So I don't have to switch to the other window when I do my streams. It's always a little behind I think usually when I'm a guest it looks like it coordinates really good But whenever I stream, it's like, you know, I'm it's hard to toggle and then look for guests and you know people coming on and stuff But yeah, um they uh They follow people and really what I'm seeing is they're afraid of what we're doing right here They're afraid to see guys that have different thoughts and get along fine and say, hey, you know what it is You know, this is cool and we know where the line is drawn Uh, I know the scribe came on tony Bruno stream with me, uh thursday. It was great man scribe He was on fire. I mean he um, he actually you know, he still has his his dating uh stuff and um He does his thing man. I commend the guy. I mean, he's he's you know, like a brother to me, you know I'm a big proponent of uh Healthy debates like that's what I always try to do on my channel I've had on many guests and all of them some of them think widely differently than me I've never had a situation where I've had to kick a guest out or anything like that has ever happened You can have I've had people jump off like bulldog as much as he says about let yeah, we chastised him without a doubt scribe So he could have left and If I was in his shoes, I would have bounced out with him. Yeah, he stayed for the first time the first time I ejected him because he was I could notice he got nervous It looked like he was reading a screen of what rollo was telling him to say on the side and then he he He just kept he started saying shut up shut up.  You're boring us now So we got rid of him then he jumped on another time stayed on for five hours And that was the time he said hey man, they chastised me.  Yeah, I was I was a little harsh on him because he had the balls to say Yeah, putting a guy on screen that's in a wheelchair and saying that he's got a three That's he said yeah, that's messed up, right? Then he renegs, right? Oh, well, I saw this guy I said just when you thought this guy was a human being, you know, and I just I blacked out But nut shots, you know, I think I don't know he says the channel was whatever Yeah, I forgot about that stream where they they brought a guy in a wheelchair on with like Oh, he couldn't even he couldn't even use a paraplegia basically and that he had he had a rotation of three hot women. It was like Hogwood the first thing he said oh, josh is out earning everybody, right? They showed a news clip of josh where he's on the news saying look He's trying to get the state to fund his bedlift I was going to start to go fund me for that guy, but I couldn't find a way to contact them And these guys what did they do, you know?  That's another thing I called out when I showed uh pictures of my ring gains in a bed with two different men Uh following transvestites and hey nothing against people that want to follow transvestite.  This is what you are Um, I hope I mean see on the stream that we do like tonight saturday nights it's it's always crazy because Um, I let anybody come on which it's a double-edged sword You can get cool people at hop on and you I mean you look at the some of the old streams people come on They flash all of this stuff. I get them off in three seconds.  They're like, hey, you need you need to expose migtail dictionary because They had people flashing on the stream and they're sending me like the screenshots with guys dicks.    This is the only way I didn't know afi uh I used to call him afi the clown because he came on with lfa when we were cool And I was like one of the first guys I roasted him and I think it was red pill rebellion Because he recommended that you sleep you can sleep with a girl with aids without a condom And and you'd have a one percent chance. I said you're out of your freaking mind I blacked out went off and now he runs around trolling, you know red pill rebellion anything he can say so All of these guys are documented but afi i'm not mad at afi But I think he was hurt because because uh he came on camera And I said man you kind of look like grover from sesame street And then he took the camera off and he put an avatar on and then he changed the avatar And you know I I could still make peace with it. I'm not mad at him But then he and lucario Made a video and I'm like wait a minute. I don't even know this guy and he started saying so I said okay I said, you know it goes both ways. I'm happy when people roast. It's like hey great, you know Do what you're gonna do when I roast don't say nothing, you know And I'm at the point now where I'm just gonna let it just I'm just gonna let it ease off Once I get the sperm book out to teach younger generations how important it is to be careful You know and you know definitely be careful of stds Uh and then go from there, you know and say okay. I'm transitioning onto a newer channel and Leave a documentary probably for the last thing that I do and just say hey have a great time I might come back, you know once a month if that but hopefully I'll be able to just you know stay away from Yeah, your channel is uh, you know, you got big men four or five thousand subs legendary men legendary work They've taken down the frauds men someone's gonna crack some skulls, bro Thanks, bro. You too, bro. I mean you and I want to see your channel grow. I mean Yeah, I definitely I've said it before in the stream. I said look if I had to choose between the two I like to see anthony win against rollo and those guys.  We got 317,000 subs on my main channel Again, we've gained over 22,000 subs 23,000 the past 30 days run fire And I think we're gonna hit 400,000 by october november. So with 400 kids or two Yeah, they've committed high trees Yeah, they committed high treason against anthony.  Yeah Can you can you pop the comment up about uh, alex is interviewed with face in lms because I didn't get a chance to see it I'm just curious what what people saw Yeah, this one. Yeah, this one. Yeah, what's what's like the high level summary alex of the major points or whatever I mean face in lms basically believes that uh in look determinism. So whatever let's say you're a fault for that's like As far as you're gonna climb like that said you're determined to that and that the black pill is based on science And research and that yeah, you know, it is what it is and that you know the pickup community Heavily overflows, you know, how much game matters and just basically all that I didn't necessarily disagree with everything he said I also agree that looks are very important and that for example much better looking guys can have a way easier time than a Worst-looking guy. I just disagree with one. Some of the studies they cited are very unscientific So I debunked some of those and two I disagree with the extent to which they matters and yeah, you you were right when you said they hate those What about ism examples? They say well, I've never heard of a guy who's like a four banging sixes or sevens I'm like, okay. Well, there's my roommate. Like he's a four. He's indian.  He's not but he's not deformed I I agree like if you're deformed like yeah, you're kind of fall. He's in and he's in the triple digits He's in the triple digits. Yeah, and he's he's hit. He's doing what like 60 girls a year or something like that That's funny Yeah, and he's Three years ago Yeah, since I've been coaching for over 10 years, I just have thousands of counter examples So to me, there's no debate to me. It's not my opinion versus opinion to me I have tons of examples, but I'm not a guy that says looks don't matter It's it's far from that the fact the matter is is that Like just to break it down like super super simple, right? If you give me any guy regardless of his looks, right? Unless he's, you know, really really really really really ugly, right? I'm gonna give him pro pictures I'm gonna have the a team of girls pick the top five pro pictures We're gonna max out the aesthetics on those top five with face app and photoshop And then I'm gonna write his bio for him then he plugs into my online sequences Now he has a bunch of phone numbers no way around it no matter who he is No matter how bad his game is then he plugs into my text sequences Now he has a bunch of girls coming straight to the house Right, so literally I just have to show him how to how to close once the girls in his house Which isn't that hard and now he's he's closing regularly and then I show him how to add in more lead flow from cold approach And I show him how to handle the public dates when he has the dates in public And tada, he has a regular stream of girls for life And then he can upgrade his confidence and coolness and work on his smd and upgrade his quality And I show him how to retain the girls and that's it But it goes from getting pro pictures to having girls come into your house because I define all the texting and online game sequences So where does black pill fit into that? And The the black pill like I noticed the comment alex was saying if black pill was true The black pill is a metaphor for truth So if the truth is that okay, like you said if a guy is like physically deformed He's screwed. Uh, he always has hookers, you know, like uh, yoke mess the odor that comes on 30 years. He's been screwing hookers. I think he's like 50 um One thing you guys said that I appreciate is looks do matter You know looks do matter I think you're gonna work better for one guy than another guy looks actually gives your personality a chance But when you think about that, is it really your personality or is it your looks now? This can't be determined in one 10 100 streams I mean, this is very very complex and I think that There's going to be a real separation between guys that say okay. No looks do matter to an extent I appreciate alex's uh honesty with that You know and john anthony's because I heard him say it when I was making my coffee that yeah It's going to work better for guys. Look, that's that's a truism as well I mean what what would tend to be you know if all if everyone was on equal playing field Like rst preached for years and years everyone's cut from the same cloth Looks don't matter whatsoever and they used to close threads and emphatically make the point I even bought into this at one point like 10 years ago.  I forgot about that They're weird RSD specifically they did that The service of the community by making the argument that looks dumb now at all if they had just said yeah looks of course He had to For their marketing to Well, he had to do that own cook had to do that because he looks like gimley from lord of the rings I mean he's just missing a hammer, you know and and and if you look at his audience, right? They're all Basically in cells, you know and and he plays a bit. Okay. Look if a trollish looking guy from mordor like him Can can get a chick which is all staged then hey pay me the 300 dollars and when I looked at the seminar I said wow he just pulled in about nine grand from this So the money talks at that point and what do they have to do? Suppress the truth. You can't make money off of the truth. You know, it's very hard to make money off of the truth So how do you make money off the truth? Somebody pays you to bury it, you know Face face never really goes on anybody's stream.  Yeah, uh, we spoke on email, you know a few times He even advertised the app that I had back in 2019 in november excellent in water tracks woman five I was on a stream in december of 2019 with him and uh, coach blackpill at the time cbp now um And you know, they the points the truth will change the the level of of the water at high tide is the truth That is the level at low tide that truth of the level at high tide changes to the level at low tide Now guys like you guys are saying okay. Yeah, okay looks do matter The reason you see these other guys rollo can't say looks matter because look at them I mean brutal look rollo straight out the crypt.   I might still have it where he's wearing Uh lifts and the sneakers. So why would a guy do that? It's basically because height does have a bearing, you know Looks do have a bearing. So this is why okay a person will will um Will comb their hair in a certain way, but but then again here again, you know, that that's a big factor there, you know, so um Again, there are things that mitigate this and as long as people are being honest to say, okay This guy here with the glasses And the balding and all of that is it this is a special case And I've said it all along sometimes men need men to basically walk them through like I know guys have told me Hey, man, women will not talk to me But when I'm hanging out with you women come around And you're not the type of guy that's like hungry for them and you let things happen But I've noticed how they will ignore certain guys that you know, they try to say something when they say something to them It's like they ignore it when I say something they actually think about what I said So I'm saying, hmm, and I didn't know this in the 90s All I knew is when I got older and I looked back at it I said this is why this chips chick slept with me because I wasn't a nice guy And that might also be part of it But if a guy is a five two or like they say, what's the stereotype the five two balding indian janitor He if he's not nice to a girl That that plane not mr. Nice guy ain't gonna get him nothing, you know, they don't want to talk to they're like, thank you Stay away The only way for him to really get anything one is status look at billy joe five three five four Sings all of that he got the supermodel christie brinkly, but it wasn't based on attraction I put that in my book the uh the black pill because I just Sorry to cut you off man, but I got to get I got to bounce them in here We got to close up the show a little bit short today a little over an hour and 30, but I appreciate everybody's time today Everybody watching you know happy 4th of july happy birthday america. Fuck. Yeah Alex they can find your channel on youtube by searching alex pwf I'll come up playing fire. We'll finally ranking high Or you'll find the Or you'll yeah the john seen a movie Got it john they can find you by searching coach john anthony on youtube right Yeah, john anthony lifestyle and then uh platinum dating system.com is my my course 48 laws of dating actually search mcthow dictionary right on youtube pull right up. Yeah. Yeah, they are And you got the book you got the book on amazon 48 laws of dating, right? Yeah, 48 laws of dating and the black pill so two different books Okay, boys. Thanks for your time today. I appreciate it. Everybody tune in again. Happy 4th. Yeah, we'll talk again All right guys glitter peace out. This has been episode 145 of the red man group. See you guys probably next saturday peace


The other one is closure, and then the other one is RANS. A lot of my colleagues, when they say they're doing RANS, the RANS equation is an exact, low-order statistical equation associated with the Navier-Stokes equation. So when my friends that do DNS, they tell me they got this great result from DNS, I ask, does it agree with RANS? If it doesn't, something's wrong with your DNS. And what I mean by that is that the RANS equation is an exact, unclosed equation. So if they're doing DNS, they ought to be able to calculate every statistical property in that equation, and it ought to balance. If it doesn't, then there's something they need to look at in their DNS. So a RANS equation is something we don't need to apologize for. What we need to do is have a closure for it and see how we can go forward. This RANS equation is probably the most used equation ever. Engineers use it to do a lot of design and stuff, but they're using it with a theory that was introduced 150 years ago, which is the eddy viscosity theory. And so the eddy viscosity theory should be put away. And I have 19 slides, and I'll get going. Maybe you won't agree with me at the end of the slideshow. The other thing is the rental stress. Because of its position, well, I'm speaking to the choir now. I don't need to spend a lot of time on a closure. So let's get going and see what we have. Just a little tutorial, the first nine slides is giving some arguments of how we got to the closure model for a Newtonian fluid in the first place. And then we'll do four or five slides on turbulence. But one of the things I just want to remind the audience of is that this kinematics of continuum, so we're not just talking about discrete physics, we're talking about continuums, in the motion is a concept that we require our priori that a material element cannot occupy the same place as another material element at the same time. So we have this inverse hypothesis that the motion of a particle, there is an inverse. We rarely know what it is, but could be mapped back into its original position. So this leads us to the idea of a Lagrangian velocity field and an Eulerian velocity field. The equivalent of the motions, if you're in a different frame, so we have this definition of what is an equivalent motion. And if you as an orthogonal operator, it's arbitrary, we get to pick it. It's only time dependent, but it connects the motion in one frame to another frame. And so the star is just a different frame than the un-starred. And so this is the formal definition of what is meant in continuum mechanics by equivalent motions. So the Coriolis theorem, which transfers the motion to the, maps the, beginning with the mapping of the motion into its motion in the star frame, this is not an objective relationship between the chi and the chi star because of this factor here. This is the velocity. The velocity is not an objective property of the field. This is the acceleration. The acceleration is not an objective property of the field. And the acceleration is what enters into the equation of motion for linear momentum. So an objective property of a continuum, we do have a lot of objective properties of the continuum. An objective scalar field has the same value of the frames, in all frames. So if this were an objective scalar, that it's going to be the same number or the same scalar function in both frames. An objective vector is a vector which the magnitude does not depend on the frame, but its orientation does. If you have an objective operator, a dyadic valued operator, then this is an objective operator. And the eigenvectors and the eigenvalues of the operator are objective scalars. And the eigenvectors are objective vector fields. So not everything you touch is objective, but some things are really objective. For example, when we introduce classical assumption, is that the absolute pressure is related to the internal energy pre-enough mass. This is an objective scalar field, because we assume it is. And it works. This is the Cauchy stress vector is related to the normal vector of a material element. The normal vector of the material element is kinematically an objective vector field. We assume that the Cauchy stress vector is an objective. That's an assumption. That's not something that somebody gave us. And so as a consequence, you can then prove that the Cauchy stress is an objective operator. And incidentally, it may or may not be symmetric. That's an additional assumption. So what's shown here on slide seven is the unclosed equation of change for linear momentum and mass. So if you let the omega symbol be the angular velocity of the frame, then you can relate that to a rotational operator of the frame just by using the permutation triadic. So the equation is a mass balance or a continuity equation. So this equation is not closed. This equation needs to have a constitutive model for the density. So you have to say, because in continuum mechanics, we assume that every spacetime point is in thermodynamic equilibrium. And so you have to have a model for the density. It might be that you say that the density is a constant. If you say that the density is a constant, then the divergence of the velocity field must be equal to 0. If you say it's an ideal gas, then you get something else. So this is an unclosed equation, but we have to close it off. And this is the equation of change for the momentum per unit mass, which is called the velocity. So this equation is written in a frame of reference. So it's relative to a rotating frame of reference. And so you see the Coriolis term show up here. So this transformation allows you to gather the two omega together with the velocity gradient. This is the acceleration due to gravity. This is the Cauchy stress. Notice I put the transpose here to emphasize that it's not necessarily symmetric. There are fluids that have anti-symmetric stresses, not just symmetric. And then this is the effect on the pressure. So the deformations and strains, we have some important. This is the velocity gradient. The velocity gradient is related to the velocity gradient in one frame, the star frame, to the unstarred frame. And it has this factor here. This is not equal to 0. The velocity gradient of the velocity field is not an objective property of the motion. It's not an objective property of the motion. However, the symmetric part of the velocity gradient is. And you can prove that theoretically. That's not something you assume. That's just true, OK? So now we can sit here and make a hypothesis on what is a Newtonian fluid, and so we get to play the game. So if we assume that this Cauchy stress vector was an objective property, so this dyadic value operator, the Cauchy stress, must be an objective operator. And so if you're going to make a hypothesis that the left-hand side is objective, then the right-hand side has to be objective. And if you look around for a kinematic property that's connected with the Cauchy stress, this is the pressure that is objective because it's related to the thermodynamics. And then this is the deviatoric part of the stress. And this is the definition of a Newtonian fluid. So a Newtonian fluid is a mapping of the strain rate, which is objective, into tau. And tau is objective if the dilatational viscosity and the viscosity are objective. And you can prove that they are from the second law of thermodynamics. Second law of thermodynamics requires that. So this is the Newtonian model. This is a good equation, and it works, OK? Now, in 1897, Boussines needed a model, too, to close off the Rands equation. So he said, oh, just like they did in the continuum mechanics, going from the molecular scale to the continuum scale, why don't we have this idea of a viscosity? And that's where it came from. But that assumes that the fluctuating velocities at the subcontinuum scale are objective, and they are, because the only forces that are acting are objective forces. But it assumes that the fluctuating velocity at the continuum scale is an objective vector field, and it's not. It's not. But this might have been a good model. So that's how we got into the business of having an eddy viscosity theory and generalizations of that. And so I would have done the same thing, and so would you in 1897, OK? So this is the Rands equation, which is exact. So this is a decomposition. This is the Reynolds decomposition into a mean field. This is an ensemble operation on an ensemble of turbulent flows, and this is the fluctuating component. The Rands equation is an equation for the lowest moment. It's an equation for the average velocity, and it has this Reynolds momentum flux, which needs to be closed. It's not a closed equation. If you take this off the table, this is just a Navier-Stokes equation written in a frame of reference, in a non-inertial frame of reference. And the continuity equation remains the same, because we're looking at this at constant physical properties. So I have six more minutes. So hydrodynamic fluctuations, this is an exact equation for the hydrodynamic fluctuations, and just organized it in a special way to emphasize that this is a parabolic convective differential operator. This shows how the fluctuating velocity couples with the external fields. One of them is the velocity gradient. This has a symmetric part and an anti-symmetric part, and this is the Coriolis term. So this vector f prime is defined here. It's the divergence of a fluctuating stress as shown here. This is the fluctuating velocity multiplied by itself. So this is a dyad. This is the ensemble average of that dyad. And we introduce a operator called b, which is the normalization of this f prime dyad. Now, the important thing about b is that we know it must be a non-negative operator. This is a mathematical fact. The normalized rental stress must be a non-negative operator. That's a mathematical fact. When we do modeling in turbulence, this is something we think after we model it, and then we find out computationally that it's not, they call it realizable. So if it doesn't satisfy this property, then the operator is not realizable. So a normalized pre-stress b, you can make a hypothesis. And we did that in our work, but we just assumed that b was a dyadic value mapping of r into b. So we're shifting the closure question to b. And this is how we close off the equations. We say that b is a function of r, which is our focus for the Rands equation. Now, just using the Cayley Hamilton theorem, you can have an irreducible representation of this. You get two parameters. And these parameters can be functions of the invariance of r, but they have to be in this domain here for it to be realizable. We know that the b is a non-negative operator. We know that r is a non-negative operator. That's a mathematical fact. And so this constitutive model here is just a mapping of r into b. And if alpha and beta is in this domain, then that mapping is true for all turbulent flows, all turbulent flows, whether they're steady or unsteady, whether they're three-dimensional or whatever. It's just a mathematical fact. So here's the eddy viscosity. So let me get it. I've got three more minutes, Chairman? OK. Yeah, so I've only got, I have to scoot along here. So there's a mapping that we developed called a pre-stress mapping, where we connected this is the nonlinear equation for r. b is a function of r. a is an operator that came directly from the Navier-Stokes equation. But this shows that the solutions to this equation are going to depend on the Coriolis term. And that stemmed from the previous equation that I showed you. So here's Boussin's eddy viscosity theory. The question, why do we make this assumption? And I think it was a logical thing to do at the time. But what we know is that the real stress is not an objective operator. But they assumed that it was an objective operator. And that would work. So this was tested not too long ago in 2000 or so by some folks that did DNS simulations in span-wise rotating flows. I don't have time to give you a lecture on this. But let me show you the results of this calculation. So this is the predictions from anisotropic. These are the anisotropic energy states for fully developed channel flow with no ring rotation. We've known this since the 1930s. That the energy is not distributed equally among all the components. The Boussinist approximation assumes that the energy is distributed equally for this flow field in all components, everywhere in the flow field. All the way up to the wall into the center. Normalized normal components. The theory that I showed you and didn't talk with you about, well, this is what happens when you rotate it. So when you have a small rotation, then you break the symmetry. So this is the energy distribution in the channel with rotations. And of course, the rotation will affect that. The prediction from the Boussinist approximation and that it's still, the energy is still distributed equally among all the flows. When you have a hypothesis, you only need one experiment to show that it's wrong and you don't use that hypothesis anymore. You can never prove a hypothesis is correct. You can only prove that it's wrong. And this shows that the Boussinist approximation for this flow field is wrong. So why use it for any other flow field? So for the theory that we've developed at MSU, this is the DNS energy states and this is the energy states that we predicted a priori. We did not change any parameters to agree with this energy distribution. We've calibrated our model with non-rotating flows. But then when we took it to this data to compare it with the DNS, it doesn't fit the data, but it breaks the symmetry in the energy distribution in qualitatively the same way. So the question is, well, does the audience have any questions but this was way too fast probably for you to have any questions. But I just want to emphasize that we had this choice that this normalized rental stress had to be closed and so we selected the strain rate 150 years ago and we still use this. So the Eddie Wisconsin enclosure is objective because we assumed that it was, but it's not realizable and that's a disaster because the computer won't converge if you have a non-realizable behavior because the eigenvalues will become negative of the normalized rental stress. The theory that we published and we've developed over the last 20 years at MSU takes a different view as I've tried to explain that the normalized rental stress, this is a nonlinear algebraic equation for the normalized rental stress. A mapping of the normalized rental stress into itself but the parameter that you need is a characteristic time constant and this operator here that includes the Coriolis word. The thought for the day is that this we call it the URAPS closure because this means universal, realizable, anisotropic, pre-stress closure. We made up that word. But it's not objective unlike the Boussinesse approximation. However, it's realizable for every turbulent flow you want to compute. Every turbulent flow, whether it's statistically un-stationary or whether it's statistically stationary or it's three-dimensional and so forth. That is worth a chance on this type of mapping. The analysis, we don't claim that it's unique but we claim that it will work in a different way than the classical law. So I thank you for your attention. I apologize for going over time. I apologize for sitting down and I apologize that my mouth is dry but I'd be glad to answer any of your questions that you might have. No, the components of a tensor are not the eigenvalues that are... For instance, every scalar value of thermodynamic property is objective because that's the way we do thermodynamics. We assume that all the forces that act at an electric scale are objective forces. All right? And so whatever we derive from that is going to be objective. And so when I said that, the definition of an objective scalar, an example of that would be the absolute pressure, the absolute temperature, the specific energy of the internal energy and so forth that come out of thermodynamics. I don't know if that was your question but we could stand closer together and maybe I can answer your question. Yes.


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