't impress me I I kind of enjoy some of the imagery I guess in some way shape or form But like if someone said what do you think of him as an artist? I'd be like, I mean, you know I've known about him since like high school. He was one of the people that would get To as like the guy who does this right kind of like the quintessential example of throne painted stuff and And then people I don't know much about him. Yeah, I just to me always seemed like a hypothetical come to life Which is fine. I by the way in terms of like this plenty.  Does it? Yeah, like all of that all of that preamble to the to the payoff of splattering paint. You're like Yep, it all leads to it all leads to the sequel trilogy Yeah But you understand it took mental illness. It took injury. It took life experience It did take mental illness I'm that we agree Again, how difficult it was for him to create and how long it took that doesn't have any bearing on how good it is that Not necessary. Well, it would it does to him like his standard, which again, that's okay. If that's something you include It's not something I include necessarily Higher thing maybe Charlie's point about kids being able to do the same thing as Pollock would make a little more sense Love him or hate him. He was really painting on the floor. You don't have to look like Like a child. Yeah, I don't understand What Pollock's work you can hate lucifer my favorite one of a fuck's sake Why why is it your favorite? Exactly I think that one's shit by Jackson Pollock standards I uh, I like the other one that we saw more than that one. How do I know that green images like this The the thoughts I end up having right I'll have them and partially enjoy them Maybe and then I'll start to question whether or not it's the painting or if it's me As if so first of all one of the first things I went to and seeing this behind him was like cancer in the brain or something And then yeah, it would be like it'd be like oh, is that the painting because like and then you find out of course that It's called lucifer. You like okay, so it probably had nothing to do with what I thought it was and so now like I don't know hell more than lucifer I think I like hell more than lucifer as well I like hell more than lucifer and I know maybe in the art in the art community. That's a really controversial Yeah, maybe I'm sort of going against the grain here But I can't see lucifer properly because this guy's face is in the way So maybe there's a really important bit behind the important bit in the middle. Yeah Yeah, it's a little picture of a little devil Um I should find if there's like a list. Maybe we can still do that thing. I suggest it actually Pollock or five-year-old Because I'll see if I can find a funny one actually. Hang on. Give me a sec. Talk about something random you bucks I sure do like um Okay, this one might be perfect What what did you find something that oh god? This is yes. This is the one play artistic. Okay, so what I'll do Obviously is show you it and chat and then I will give you each five guesses as to what the title is And then I shall reveal it when all of you fail because that is the only outcome Is this a pollock painting or you're not are we not supposed to know? Yes, this is a pollock painting. I'm not gonna lie about that at least okay according to google it is And according to google I got the title of it as well So if you just to make sure there's nothing else that you see in terms of a stimulant If you want to boot the stream and just see the image and don't look at chat as well And we'll go one by one each of you And I gotta go to the screen. Okay. Yeah, I'm walking it's on screen now Yeah, because if I link it maybe the url gives something away as well, so I'm just gonna okay I got you so I'm looking at the picture. Mm-hmm. We'll go That is a jackson pollock painting. It has a title. We'll go Uh, we'll go we're free. Do you want to go first and then we'll go?  I shall tell you what it actually is How do I even begin to guess? Well, we it's not hella lucifer those are locked out.  No rags Graveyard No random film talk Fear no fringy. All right. Who's who's been closest? I'd say none of you So it's not some kind of abstraction then I don't want to confirm or deny anything It's just the none of what you've said so far evokes what I I think the title evokes. I don't know just so to speak Uh Uh Nope rags Spirits no random film talk Drowning. Nope fringy Uh Ghosts, I know you said spirits but ghosts. Nope rags. Um, I'm gonna say, um Industry no random film talk Smoke or or um, you smoke go with that. Nope fringy Okay, uh Light bulbs Rags Let me see. Um discontent.  I was like I have to so This is what it's labeled. I'm gonna show you it instead of saying it just in case I've got anything wrong here It's in fact labeled yellow islands Oh Okay Okay, yeah, all right. Sure. Okay. All right I mean you were close ish with um, light bulbs Yeah, I saw the I saw the yellow bits and I was like, I wonder if that's what I need to be focusing on but uh, I would never have guessed yellow islands Yeah, I went for something dark and since well, so it's very intuitive because of the yellow ish background And the way that the black cuts through it creates all the islands Ah, right I'm noticing is definitely like not the yellow of the canvas back. That's a different shade for sure I thought it was interesting how all of us went for things that are spooky Yeah, but maybe that's a trick. You see your mind is so fixated on the shadow I don't appreciate the light because there's light even in shadow, you know even in dark Yeah, no, it's it's pretty. Yes. This is what I mean. It's you know, you haven't read the books. I've read you haven't been to the gallery Maybe one day if I go to a gallery, I'll learn about yellow islands Uh, somebody in chat just quickly imagine playing garlic phone with Pollock Jackson Jackson, what is that? He's like yellow islands What Just every image would end up as just a mess of spaghetti You can hate it, but if your reasons for hating it are it doesn't really look like anything. Yeah, no, I know I That's like the point.  Yeah Like he just like they were fundamentally, but that's valid because they were uninspired. Yeah, because he said technically they're good Yeah, exactly.  Yeah, I get it. I just I don't pull anything from this I really don't no That's not really about that.  That's what your mind looks like. What does your mind look like? You might need to see a doctor When I said it looked like cancer So looks like your mind. I did say braid but braid cancer Head I had to take a hot dog break. Anyway back to charlie He has this idea on stream to create a fake alias and sell really Shitty art on purpose. I thought it would be a really interesting idea if I did like some dog shitty damien Hurst Jackson Pollock style art under I mean, this is a meme as old as time.  I know buy it for an absurd amount And I just give the money back obviously but making headlines Which a lot of people have already done prager. You actually did a That's an interesting idea by the way to go a step further than simply making it and hoping people buy it but to Have a friend. Yeah Pay all the money give it back to them. So then other people like, whoa, you're buying. Oh, that that's a that's a charlie moist critical Original look at it. Oh, wow. That is yeah. Mm-hmm. That's that's something really lazy version And we're gonna watch that now.  I didn't want to watch any more of these Oh, yeah, yeah, you didn't want to make this video, okay So bad with will wit a will wit moment classic will wit the intern from prager you that looks like he's got nothing going on in his head I mean Maybe maybe gloss houses. You know, I don't know he Dennis a two-year-old and a five-year-old Made a bunch of paintings and he tried to get people to look at them on the street Will is trying to trick people in public, but the first thing you will notice Wait, I thought you said you can't trick people with that. You can't trick.  Oh, I could make that. Oh, yeah, can you this is what you Yeah, every time someone's whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Whoa, what are you implying hang on that could be considered infinitely better or similar or worse? It's all up in the air. It's very much subjective. You can't just declare that this is worse than Pollux. Can you Can you better and worse? Wait a moment The flip that just how quickly he just breaches his own system Like clockwork, man It says modern art is like lazy and anyone can do it. I think back to these paintings the video very quickly derails And it becomes less about trying to compare their art to modern art and instead about trying to make people look stupid For commenting on it. What do you see in this one here? A dagger at your back apparently. It looks like a long sword dripping down the side So this kind of represents like japanese masculinity This is funny I mean, uh, I think that the the way to top this out would be a um A word randomizer with a little thing in his ear where he has to connect the Meaning of the piece to whatever word ends up coming out Yeah Do you remember um Oh, fuck. It's like a really funny clip.  It sounds like it'd be really fun kind of like how these shapes are kind of like This is a japanese influence and then it's all Kind of all over the place.  Oh, that's the whole Yeah All right. Also, what do you mean is his interpretation incorrect? Yeah, why can't what can he struggle to explain it when it's so dense With meaning he's he's struggling to get it out For him it's impossible, right because the fact that it was produced with a cynical purpose I suppose he'd be like, well, you know, I wouldn't even bother trying to like do some analysis Like I would have Jackson Pollock's thing because it's obviously bereft of merit or value But the only reason he knows of the context is is because he knows He's familiar with the video that they're in if he was presented with the videos without the context But the thing is is that that's uh His approach is that he needs the context always, right? He has to always Have it and that's an like inextricable component of his analysis It almost to me seems like his mind is made up before he even sees the art But there was there was no potential art that we would have just seen five seconds ago that he would have gone actually Yeah, that one was all right Uh, well, yeah, we've seen that throughout the video, right? Like he's got a very strong bias Uh against and for depending on who made it not not the law just who made it He had all the time he needed to figure it out and he couldn't figure it out He just didn't come up with anything will tries to convince these poor hostages that there should be some kind of like artistic Standard and none of them are really buying it. Do you think there are standards to art? Um, no, I think that it's just expressing yourself and everybody's expression is Valid, I think every um the problem is that people say before they think about it at all Really? Well, but she might be correct if she thinks the question is what makes art art And if she if the question is just what you know, it sounded like he was asking What makes it good or bad? But the thing is the problem is standard what standard needs to be achieved for art to be art and then she's like Just expression, you know, I mean like there's a lot of ways that could have been interpreted I don't know if she thinks there's no such thing as quality in art. There's just art Not sure I can't tell Everybody has their own personal standards, right? But do you think there is like a higher standard of like what art should be or what things should look like? You know in more a sense. No, not at all. And then he does the big reveal. Oh, guess what kids Did everyone have that opinion or just some people? It's a normal opinion. I think a lot of people wouldn't want to say like art should look a particular way Um, without further context You know, like when you tell them should life drawing be accurate to life, they'd probably be like, well Yes, I guess. Yeah, but like it's art probably Yeah, when you say This is I mean, I don't even know what the what's the answer to the question. What should art look like or what should art be? Yeah, that's that's a incredibly complex question These were done by children. What would you think? I believe you believe it. It'd be so great if you had a Jackson Pollock painting among those Oh, yeah, there you go They were Even though everyone already already kind of now if I wait, but what how does that help you? How does that help you? What do you mean? They knew they could look at it and they could tell Must not be very good I know it looks not a good like painting and think that a kid did it Yeah, we weren't looking at prega you guys Paintings and thinking this was done by a child and it got put on the fridge like those were really good paintings However, if it were we'd be like, holy That is true And it was so objectively embarrassing that I already had to edit it down I'm going to be honest with you. What you showed me was kind of interesting and funny. Um I don't the problem is like when they make a video That's supposed to prove like modern art is bad and that they should be standards And then they come across someone who says I don't think art should be standardized in any particular way I don't think that means the video like failed or is bad. That's just yeah, you got a genuine reaction from someone. That's fine I mean, I don't watch prega you but like the clips he's given He makes it sound like we're watching one of the worst channels on the internet But they're mostly fine At least the ones he's shown down to like three minutes and it was still this cringe. I would just not it wasn't really cringe I don't think so your cringe I just wouldn't post it the comments in this video are really funny because they're so clearly biased against modern art That they're clinging on to anything they can to make their point. Does it make you feel any kind of way? Uh confuse give that kid a medal I'm a classically trained Realist artist if you guys only knew how hard it was to learn the skill of the masters because of these people Oh It may or may not surprise you to know that the realist classical Ataliers and academies are not eligible for accreditation and therefore promising students cannot receive loans or grants Yet at a modern art school you get a free ride for edgy period blood paintings.    That'd be awful Never talk about like real examples. It's just like oh, no those They are real examples though. You have it in my fight art course. Um There was a girl who did I kind of threw a vagina drawings or sculpture, but the um They were it was either period blood or used tampons that were in the thing and I remember being like, okay Okay, uh, I'm gonna go back to I was drawing characters and cartoons and stuff illustration and Uh life drawing. I like them. That was more fun and photography. I like them too It was a foundation course. It was fun, but that was Bit much for me sometimes and if someone said like you're not looking at the meaning of it I'll be like no, no, no. I was following.  It does happen. Why are you pretending like it doesn't? It literally does.  It totally does and it sells for hundreds of thousands of top millions as an artist I think modern art sucks. I have standards cutting to a little later on in charlie's video He's insulted by an art critic's assessment of king kate's work.  How can you like Like how do you read this and not just get insulted?  It's still pretty though And probably took a decent amount of skill to make so I don't know, you know, I mean like it's But it's something more than he usually gives I'll give him that Even though it's not him. It's he's reading the comments I guess churned out hundreds and hundreds of paintings and recreations just to make money But isn't that what people hate about modern artists?  Well, don't you think I was to the the amount of skill and technical, you know Like like how in-depth And difficult something is to do if you can do it a hundred times a day and you're making like canvases of art Like isn't that You know, like if someone said if Michelangelo got hired to paint that ceiling in the Sistine Chapel And after two days, he was like, well, I'm done.  Also He's like said that an art piece being challenging is automatically like a better state of being That true. I don't know. I don't know. I don't see why it would be. I don't Is it more challenging to have a sad face than a happy face? And does I mean the art piece is better now?  You're sitting here. Like I can't imagine the level of skill It would take to paint this and he's like, oh, yeah, but you can't even see the brush tropes on this white box Look at the glow on the on the light. I know he's talking about the tree not the glow, but On the ice. I like how cozy it is I find out how unbelievable it is how just quickly he will throw out these incredibly dismissive sweeping statement Yeah, but it's not challenging Although also presenting himself as being the enlightened nuanced art guy It's not even he's gone backward. Like it seems like he's actually gone backwards and so you are backwards Yes, compared to the way that he described himself before This is just a backwards way to look at art to Constantly spending the whole time telling us how to think about it too Like I think that's the overwhelming vibe I get from this chill out Like just chill like some Freaking out like and being so um Like knee jerk sort of responses whenever you feel challenged on your perspective on modern art Why is it so relative, you know, why is it why is it so relativistic like all of it's wait, is that that's not the right word Why is it so relative So charlie is still mad that people pay millions of dollars for jackson pollock paintings make sense And then of course this we think it's stupid art for stupid people Yet people paying millions for jackson pollock's absolute trash Like four people that have ever been able to do that none of which were really Unable to it's points is that it the fact that it is worth that much seems absurd to him It doesn't even need to be true necessarily that it's happened in theory It would be would be enough that the pollock could ever sell those for a significant amount of money is offensive to him That's I understand that position It's so straightforward. And then the fact that he's like that's only happened like four times like what What it's happened four times apparently. Yeah, I don't have no idea, but the point is obviously very clear It shouldn't that's what charlie's position is Don't 100 necessarily agree, but I can understand why it would annoy someone if they see that happen Really worth anything until after he was dead unlike kink aid Pollock made lucifer for a friend and gave it to him as a gift this have to do with anything Wow, thanks for lucifer Now it's on display at the at stanford universe. Okay kinkades work on the other hand is meant to be purchased a lot of times So which oh, this is so annoying. What does this have to do with anything? Well, uh easy pollock made it for the sake of like an emotional artistic intention while kinkade made it for sale So there's less challenge and meaning in kinkades work Just I guess intrinsically.   No soul Charlie stops watching this video to start looking up modern art examples at sf momma I am curious. What gets seen in high-class museums now. I'm pretty sure all of it is that Super trash thing like a banana tape to a wall or like banksies balloon pictures stuff like that Let me see. Well, I mean even on just their home page like their art collection here's kind of ass I think it's good to show kids stuff like this. I mean Yeah, that's that is nothing to do with what charlie said necessarily Like charlie said do not show children this Is that better or worse than the three blank canvases? You asking me or do you approximate what you think? Oh, I'm no, no, no, I'm not I'm I'm wondering what you guys think Um, because I don't I'll take I'll take this over the blank ones. I guess Yeah, this is something at least it's like they had to work minimally to get this hung up. I guess I'm uh I feel like this would be an example to point to of how much work i'm doing But I don't think is there I feel like I see a platypus Maybe a stingray I see some animals here and it's like, yeah, but that's my brain fucker with me Yeah, it's not Doesn't this kind of look like the ones from the prager video the kid Yeah, I don't know why yeah, that's uh, yeah, it does But you know what yeah, this guy this guy would see right through it He could tell when it's done artistically versus when it's not This looks like something that would go on your fridge Yes I might demand higher standards for my children Painting uh, maybe not my favorite, but also sfmoma is full of tacky lame shit anyway It is a seven story museum. It has everything.  Oh my god. That already looks really impressive I was gonna say why do we hate this now?  I wouldn't spend too much time in I don't know it depends what's in it. I don't know I mind a lot about modern art I think you would even change someone like charlie's mind if he actually gave it a fair shot But anyway, he moves on to some random website called contemporary art dot com But instead of actually engaging with it or talking about what he does or doesn't like about it He just dances around it and uses it as an example You didn't talk about why you liked or disliked a lot of the things in this video I know you just said it was my favorite.  What you're doing is a full Like coming up to 45 minute Scripted video and you can't even be bothered to tell us why you think something is good or bad beyond soul flavor style spirit So modern art is bad You gotta really stop and digest this one. Actually, there's a there's a lot going on here I like that one. I don't I don't hate that one. No, that's uh Looks kind of interesting. That was a tv, right? Look, it's like it's all popping out of the tv and it's kind of interesting callous game And there's a neat texture to it. Ducted. I think see look, I can do I could take like a yeah, I don't like this one so much. Yeah This one's kind of this one If I paid for a ticket of admission and I walked into a room that had this I'd be like give me my fucking money back What I said about the Film festival with yms I would only want to go to this if it was with friends because I would want to feel insane I'd be like Let's walk right up to him and talk about the bluff and then move on to the next one That's the fun to me. It wouldn't be the pieces themselves I need my tether to reality reminding me. I'm not actually insane.  They're just like do you like it? I like the idea that they're right next to you just hovering over your shoulder You look at it.  Like in terms of a painting The most art music exhibits I imagine. What does that mean?  I kind of nothing them. I feel like they're awkward and weird I don't hate these but I don't yeah like what am I to do with them? Yeah, I guess that's what I could hate There's kind of a there's kind of a plaid You know pattern there that's kind of neat, but I don't know why we've taken blocks out of it Yeah, I looking at these. I just don't understand what I'm looking at which maybe that's the point That's a thing you're you're a pleb.  You're not you're not enlightened Dude, I I'm sorry, but I do feel like that's a lot of what this comes down to as it makes It's it's like a way to feel more enlightened and intelligent than the like the plebs Be a lot easier to actually look like it'd be a lot easier to have an opinion on it And I think that's why charlie doesn't even have an opinion on it He's just using them to critisize. He's just laughing at it because he thinks it looks bad. It's very simple. There's nothing complex happening here It's so bizarre that we had too big prank of you like Videos in here and then it's like yeah, here's charlie talking on a stream Just about why he doesn't like jackson polka.  So if they were the right one or rather the left wing then He uh, they'd be it'd be great and good to go because There's something just infinitely hilarious to me that he's like He had to be told what the meaning of these pieces were to like them And yet he's like accusing that of everyone else that everyone has to be baby fed to what they mean It is it is fascinating It's it's just like good old cognitive dissonance. Is it cognitive dissonance? Or is it something else? Or is it just Good old hypocrisy. I'd say projection maybe like he's projection.  I know I'm Not only does he have to be told he has to tell us then already or not. Yep. That's right general lack of self-awareness Oh Quite significantly. Yes. Besides all of modern art. He mentioned selling the paintings for 50 grand Here's some canvases that there's like some scribbles on it somewhere in there I don't know just hanging up put like 50 grand on it. Someone's gonna buy it And we'll talk more about how modern art critics are constantly complaining about how much art costs when it's literally just a money laundering tool It's literally just a money laundering tool. Well, I mean sometimes sure but like not always Yeah, you could do it that way. I suppose. Mm-hmm. It's just it's just funny that like We can't we can't just accept the point for what it is. It has to be something crazy or different By the 1% and it has nothing to do with the actual art itself. But where did 50 grand come from? He just made it exactly. It just it's a big number $50,000. It's a lot. You could do a lot with that. He doesn't think the random scribblings are worth $50,000 That's the point he's making. Okay, very simple. You don't need to look into it so hard Keep that up. Yep. There is no record that this piece has ever been sold or ever had any offers on it For all I know every piece Charlie looked at it's a joke It doesn't need to have actually happened Didn't make any money I mean the next exhibit is just a bunch of boxes and a sit and go like that is explicitly something to experience Okay, so this would be one if we were walking through and you guys started looking at it I'd be like, are you sure this is an exhibit? Are we should there be like a are we allowed in this room yet? Are they done? Is everything still packed up? Yeah, you need like a plaque saying series of boxes by you know somebody like Oh, okay, okay, I think to own and I think that's an even better version of art The only thing though is Charlie never actually looked at what it was. He just saw a picture of boxes and didn't investigate any further He's what it is. That's not necessarily what it means. Why is it the with Visual imagery of artistic works. I have to go and inspect how and why they were made instead of just seeing them for what they are Why is that something I have to do? Why am I being shamed for not doing that? He's just looking at a picture of it. I don't think he knows what the whole thing is And so he starts joking about what the piece could possibly be about. It's pretty funny, dude.  So this is the thing The reason it's funny is because if you've worked at a noble job Got into the warehouse. You're like, oh, you're in an art gallery Look at that. Isn't that crazy? What crazy meaning that is going to be attributed to it? Is our our his carry on carry on was it like you you have to ask yourself. What's in those boxes? Are we purchasing too much? It's a display of excess And you see how there we do with the meme and it's funny. Yeah, it's a display of excess. Yeah Blind up the same. There's a pattern to it. There's order in the chaos And then you also have to wonder who packed these boxes. Is it amazon workers that are miserable and you can feel the hate Is it someone like maybe a home business with a family that packed me? There's just so many things you have to ask yourself This really is a challenging piece.  That's pretty funny. It's like, uh, because he's wrong But Charlie the Ed said it's really challenging piece. This guy not a few minutes ago said like the better pieces of the ones that challenge Yeah, that's right. Oh my god Also, our hasty interpretations invalid because he was wrong They're invalid because it was a correct interpretation.  There is no such thing as good or bad art But there is such a thing as corrected incorrect interpretations of By this guy's logic This is like super life of the author You you were having you were having the incorrect Um takeaway from this art because you didn't even look up what it really meant The author has determined the way that the art is meant to be experienced and and um, I guess, uh Meant to be I got what's the word The way that the art was meant to be like interacted with or What would the takeaway should be from it sort of yeah in this case? I think anything In any way that you think that doesn't line up with what the artist wants is an incorrect interpretation So this is like the opposite of death of the author. This is like the eternal author. Yes At which point you wonder like what the point of the art existing independently of a big paragraph that explains to you What is even the point of that? Yeah Yeah, what's the point of an investing in a vacuum? It needs to always have footnotes Uh, all of the preliminary sketches and just all of them the writing is a total explanation Talk to bottom This is what this means just so that you know How to engage with the art because if you're not engaging with the art as I intended as the creator You are doing it wrong You've done it wrong If you play a video game and you mess it like moley you engage with the last of us too wrong Meming about it. Oh, yes, of course I broke it to play that way. That's yeah, you broke it, which is that's very cruel And also, um, I like to I'm really surprised. I hadn't noticed it before but this this uh Genuine gentleman here his glass frames are hexagons Oh, just very unusual. I've no I don't think I've ever seen those that those are amazing. Um Yeah Oh my god, I just noticed he got shadow the hedgehog on the uh, that's the other stick I was waiting for a while Because I saw dr. Robotnik there because he was often facing that way But now I see he's got shadow the hedgehog as his other sticker and robot nick What's this other tattoo?  Can you see all of me? Something relevant Expensive Modern art she mistook for trash. No, she did a mistake of her trash. That is trash Oh, that's I've heard about that. Yeah, a cleaning woman in an Italian gallery accidentally threw away thousands of dollars of art by New York modernist Paul Branca when she mistook his crumpled newspaper cardboard and cookie installation scattered across the floor For garden variety trash the pieces Estimated to be worth around $15,000 were apparently intended to make viewers think of the environment We are obviously very sorry for what happened city marketing commissioner Antonio Maria Vestil said The gallery says they do not blame the cleaning woman who did not realize she had thrown away two works of This is fucking priceless If you're the kind of artist and you're having your your work mistaken for trash and thrown away That's not that can't be very good.  Is that true? Does that sound familiar to anybody in chat or somebody who got so mad that they I can believe it Highlighting is exactly what charlie's joking about it's what we've joked about this guy's like infinitely offended by it When it's like just join the joke. There's plenty of good modern art.  So none of the jokes really land. No, they did I liked him. It was it worked for us. We thought it was funny Especially the power he said what they made with hatred if by amazon workers like that that sounds Just funny like the it doesn't quite light up.  He's talking about what he thinks is in front of No, it literally is what's in front of him. What do you mean? It's I guess not literally wait Sorry, can we hear that one more time please means and he also doesn't understand even what he's looking at So none of the jokes really land because charlie isn't talking about what's in front of him He's talking about what he thinks is in front of charlie. Um, he's correct. No, he's correct. He was he was engaging He's not talking about what's in front of him. He's talking about what he thinks is in front of him Isn't that what we all do all the time? Is that what everybody does?  I mean do we want to even wheel out, you know Do we even want to wheel out the whole idea of like perceiving the world world as rule of representation or any of that shit?  It's a fine point.  There's so many more boxes than that. I think there are wow That doesn't change anything this installation and I think More boxes than I thought there are so many ways to interpret it, but his is wrong because his is more boxes So it's better his was memes though My interpretation of this piece of art would change fundamentally if I knew that there were more boxes Yeah, what he thinks is in front so many you're making a fool out of yourself There's so many more boxes than that I think there are so many different ways to interpret this installation And I think writing it off is a little aggressive. What are you scared too many boxes engaged with it? He did he did the opposite of what he's saying he did Charlie looked at it. He laughed then he gave a bunch of jokes about what it could possibly mean Obviously implying that if he was given the true meaning that he would find it as meaningful as his own made-up ones because there's so much of a disconnection It's insane like the point where it almost makes the artwork irrelevant Now i'm not saying that that means that would go for any explanation behind it Nor would it necessarily account for the uh efforts put into constructing it or anything It's just that this is a very common sentiment and it's super easy. It's not right wing It's just a perspective a very normal one like I said I mean the fact that the boxes are filling a synagogue is significant Charlie didn't even know that even though the synagogue is on earth The thing about that wow and earth is part of the cosmos Oh my goodness. Is that what you know or what you think rags? It's what I believe to be true. Oh my god. We added a third one What we know what we think and what we believe Yeah, did you choose that though or do you I choose all the things Regardless of context That was he was written but charlie was still so mad at the picture. He didn't even like see he was laughing, dude He was he was big. No, he was big mad. I even care if he was mad whatever who cares That's not even critique. That's just refusing to engage with art charlie's getting It's not critique. It's refusing to engage What if you just don't buy the engagement that you're told to it? Isn't this what he was talking about at the beginning of the video You're telling charlie how to engage with it.  I think you need to chill Mad at this art because he doesn't understand it. Yeah, that's that's the key.  If you got it you would really really appreciate it and admire it for what it is. You just don't understand it Not even a neg on charlie. He admits that he doesn't understand it He doesn't get it and he's not trying to so no wonder you're still engaged not trying to I just I find it funny that his equivalent of trying is looking up the meaning as according to the author That's what trying to understand it is Trying is accepting. I think that's so lame That's his recommendation for all art. Imagine like just you watch a movie or you read a book or whatever else You immediately go for Like anyone the author's breakdown of exactly what all of it means instead of just thinking about it yourself even briefly Like that's his recommendation for all that's how you he sees art as a Uh like like a thing to be completed Which is lame as fuck I am all for analysis of artworks that I love and hate and even feel neutral on Um, but I just don't like the idea that that's Like the companion piece that you must consume after the art in order to understand the art. I think that's bullshit Straight it You have to try a little bit in the comments of all these videos You see the same like mpc talking points stuff like if you have to explain They're the NPCs not like me. No still needs an explanation to make sense. It's called context You can appreciate what wait, what do you what? Sorry? What do you mean that you need an explanation to make sense of like What does he mean by that? Like mpc talking points stuff like if you have to explain why art is good plenty of classical art still needs an explanation To make sense. It's an example To make sense. What does he mean by that? I don't know what he means by make sense If we see like a painting of just a sailor in a storm or something He's like, yeah, but you don't know what the storm you don't know what the guy's trying to do You don't you can't make sense of this.  We need to be told for all of lightly lightly admits that for all of art You need which you don't by the way.  It's like no Can you I would prefer you encourage your own interpretation before locking yourself into the author's interpretation And also I'd step up for a moment, but um one thing I'm wondering too Is it is it really worrying that he hasn't told us how to actually interpret the church art box thing? Because he said he didn't even look up what it really supposed to mean No, wait, I totally didn't engage with it. We have to look it up because I'm trying to look it up, but I gotta like find it I'm hoping he's gonna have a video to follow this video up to explain the art of this video as well because uh boxes Maybe called con I hope you can appreciate the aesthetics of art without context But you're not going to understand found it. Sorry night takes on an Wait, do we want to do we want to guess if you have the right answer? Do we want to guess maybe? So let's see, um, I found this is the Uh It's called Merlin Merlin Merlin no, wait Merlin carpenter by delmi or delmi by Merlin carpenter I don't actually know.  Like I can't tell if is this the song or the band. I have no idea, but um Yeah, I found a picture Here, but I don't Okay, um, I'll keep looking industrial Let's see a cute supply to um liking Let's see our our front Merlin out front Merlin carpenter has parked a brand new bright red Forklift and positioned its metal risers is that to hook onto the temple's arches and pull the structure right out of the ground The gesture is playful if not aggressive in its precision. No, this is different inside for archive elastic Carpenter has stacked neat columns of thousands of unmarked cardboard boxes of identical size large enough to accommodate an on-board Remoa or a bulk order of surgical masks Okay The exhibition was installed last fall only days before the country's second covid lockdown And as the french museums and cultural spaces were shuttered again This time for much longer than they had been the previous spring carpenter's boxes became Portraits in a way of the suddenly sealed inaccessible places and of the digitally enabled mass consumption So many turned to in the meantime, of course Of course an amazon warehouse comes to mind when navigating the narrow passages between carpenters brown boxes Oh, no charlie's interpretation was not only valid But one of the primary ones You didn't even look You didn't even look it up You just crossed your fingers and you hoped you lazy fuck. You hope oh charlie. Look at you media literacy god He was right.   I just I just googled stacked boxes art synagogue and it popped up Wow Even the thing was like, you know, obviously amazon would be evoked We know what you're looking for meanwhile this guy's like, you know, I even tried to engage with it So let's see. Um, remember that interpretation is only valid until once you've been told it If you came up with it on your own, it's not That's that's that's all i'm learning from this Uh, it says of course an amazon warehouse comes to mind when navigating the narrow passages between carpenter's brown boxes But so does a medieval labyrinth a devotional path The parcels are held shut by clear plastic tape each strip of equal measure and lay down just as carefully as daniel buren's stripes Which almost 25 years ago covered the synagogue's arches their outlines still decipherable under layers of house paint Carpenter is still talking about painting even when rendering it almost disdainfully invisible This is my lily and davies A great piece. Yeah incredible and it really is incredible Um, that's actually incredible that that's amazing Everyone remember this for the the e-fap to the e-fap 300 best moments Remember the years after a good start charlie won the war against a guy that no exists charlie, uh, yeah charlie beat eithan had engaging in art and on that note Uh, mr. Random film talk is going to have to Leave us slash. Oh go on to other places But before he goes Perhaps he can tell everybody what he gets up to in the world and why they should subscribe to his channel Yes, um, well, yeah, I mean firstly, thank you so much for having me on this video has been enlightening if not frustrating um Yeah, so the next video that i'm going to be making is the Fourth part of my hobbit series, which is going to round out the whole thing Parts one two and three are currently on the channel Um, it's going to be quite long, which I am told people around here are fans of things that are long Oh, yeah I don't know exactly how long but it's it's going to be a chonker Um after that, I genuinely don't know but that video is going to be up Uh, you would hope within the next couple of months um Yeah, and uh, if I've been told apparently that during this stream, I've hit 25 000 subs, which is Yay, which was a bit of a milestone because again, I wanted to hit that before tuesday because tuesday is one year from my first ring I was brings power video so not bad Yeah, I don't know how quick that actually is but it sure as shit feels quick to me I I have no frame of reference for this kind of thing though, but that was my goal And thank you you'll be at 100k no time and well no limits beyond that of course Yes, uh, the sky is the limit as they say Well, um appreciate hanging out with you, sir. It's been a good time. Thank you for joining us Yes, uh, it's been good fun chatting with you guys and um Yeah, I hope you're able to survive the rest of this video. I'm sure that we will We've been we're we're hardened veterans Yes Yes All right. Thank you guys. See you see you in a bit. Goodbye. Bye. See you Makes sense. It's called context You can appreciate the aesthetics of art without context, but you're not going to understand the piece without it Sorry knight takes on an entirely different you're not going to understand that again meaning isn't actually inherent in any work of art Meaning is something that we imbue onto the things we create we find or reuse So this idea of you cannot understand something Unless like like a piece of art Uh, unless you get like the context behind it I mean then like what's the point of any piece of art that we don't have the context for? Like is it inherently less valuable to us? Is it If we don't have The context of its creation then I mean, what's the point of the art?  Is it not? And also art can have no context and be way more interesting than art that has context in its Oh, it's a it's a some boxes in a broom like oh, yeah That that could still be shit But if I found like if I didn't have if we came across like a mone painting or a Leonardo da Vinci Whatever or a Raphael sculpture and we didn't know the context behind it I think I could I think I know which one I'd find far more interesting and And it worthwhile of my time even if I didn't have context behind it I've seen someone mentioning music and I feel like that really nails the point Someone can like a song just for the the tunes like they just like it And then they could also like it because of the lyrics and what the lyrics might mean to them Then they could also like it for what the lyrics mean to the author as opposed to what they meant to you Or you could like it for all of those things or you could like it because you listen to it while something great was happening in your life All of these are valid options All right, Bayou and has some art I'm gonna post you It's really something else. This is really something else. Oh, we got here.  Yes. Yep. We got our fire extinguisher our Fringopolis Blongius birth of ragas and random thought And down to being a thousand a thousand a hundred dollar free. He's just trying to get rid of him, but this guy empathy. Oh empathy Two and a half million dollars This now this is art. Yeah, this will show those conservative I just I like the idea as well as like so the fire extinguisher is a part of it and the people who made it like I don't know We better leave it there just to be safe.   Thank you very much. That is Hopefully random talk sees it as well Well, I'll I'm in our group so we can at least be aware Anyway, yeah, uh, because you got the chin, right? beautiful That's quite a chin. Ah It's a good boulder though That's a very good boulder. Look the light from heaven is Shining down upon that magnificent boulder god approves of this boulder. It's just his creation However, the problem with this boulder As you all probably have already guessed is it doesn't look like I can walk under the boulder So but even then still clearly better than the rest Well, that if you could walk under it then it would be worthwhile like 10 million easily at least double double the price easily bare minimum Yep, levitation. Yeah Empathy Meaning when you realize that it was painted from an asylum And that was the view that van Gogh had through his window learning about art can be really that is awesome context to have But you can also appreciate it greatly without that context Yep, I mean that's definitely how art works But you're not going to understand the piece without it Sorry like all I get from this whole video is his desperation for you to be Tracked into a particular meaning from a thing Which is like the whole opposite of his point as I thought it was stated anyway It takes on an entirely different meaning when you realize that it was painted from an asylum That was the view that van Gogh had through his window learning about art can be really fun Maybe you care and it can learning about art can be fun when you care I don't know you've been incredibly dismissive of lots of incredibly Talented and amazing pieces of art The impression I got from charlie and from uh preggie you man is that they do Greatly care about art and they're frustrated with with it's gone in certain places Which I feel like almost everybody probably has a perspective. It's just in different formats and standards, right? I mean if you were to tell me who between Ethan this Ethan guy and the robert man which one of them cares more about art is like I'd answer robert in a heartbeat Well, what would happen if you were here right now? And he said you guys you hate a lot on star wars marvel. Have you even looked into how they were made? We'd be like We're judging the stories as told and it's like, yeah, but do you know what they went through to make those? Do you know what they meant by the stories they were giving? You're like, um Unfortunately every time we dig into any of them it gets much worse the quanta mania for example And it would stuck into the point where it's like do you mind like, you know What are you even trying to suggest that like no art is completed in terms of your perspective on it until You get every last morsel of exactly how it was made. It's insane. What if what if we have our I mean, it's probably not even hypothetical almost certainly exists our hypothetical painting For which there are no notes about it. We don't even know who made it And they died You know, we said like it's painted from his view from the asylum. It's like, what if you didn't know that? What if nobody knew that what now what if it was what if it was unknown as like this work would be incomplete forever How could you even know what it means for it to be complete and incomplete unless you knew the totality of the information that there is This is really about a piece of art. It actually breaks the whole thing The totality of the piece of art There's always going to be information that you could include that isn't typically included or that is lost to times You can't know. Yeah, what if yeah, exactly. What if it's bullshit? What if he never went to the asylum or the it was actually his brother that made it and he What if he said what if he personally told you me being in the asylum personally didn't influence it at all? It honestly didn't Yeah, so it's so annoying to listen to him say like that is the thing you've got to focus on and understand that That is the meaning right there.   Oh Are they just like some cold snuffballs on a wall? But then you look at charlie's expression like I'm just like I don't have the energy to conjure up. Yeah, I don't really have an expression for this I'm just full balls on a cliff It's it's certainly not my my Uh, uh, fringy lisa or mohner fringy expression here. I'm not I'm not very happy about this. I'm just you know Just I don't art gallery in portland and the first thing it shows are these acrylic half circles glued to the wall Charlie is just a little too excited about hating on this one and misses the point of it completely Which is a bummer because this installation is actually he's watching it now. We could see you the point Please tell us and it's here. Oh This is incredible I need to pay a visit to this Each disc is color coded and that color matches a frequency that the app the artist developed translates into a sound This isn't a visual exhibit. It's an audio exhibit. So, okay So that's the audio equivalent of the visual sludge where you're like, it'll make a sound It's like, okay. Wow. Are you okay? Most things are you okay with me saying that shit? Is that okay? Am I allowed to have that opinion or not? And then if you was like, no, you have to experience it first.  Yep.   Is that not I don't care Okay, cool All right, well I've seen stuff like that before You know blotchy pixel circle. I've seen that. Yeah And then he makes fun of this big Oh, I think that I guess was that supposed to change my mind I don't know When I went ooo but that's just what it does. Yeah Then I'm like This is what I could do that from home My whole frustration with all of this is just why are you criticizing everyone for being so normal?  What do you expect? This isn't devinky over here This artist's name is actually jordan rathas and she has done a few of these Wait, did he say devinky? It was a joke Exhibitions of the work most of it being art films not my thing But when I looked through her website, she did an art installation on a steamboat like an old steamboat. That's awesome I wish there were more pictures. Okay. Just that in and of itself. There you go. Okay All right. Is it just like unusual therefore good or it doesn't like you don't need any more content Key hyper values What's unique? Yeah, unconventional seems to be on its on its face like just valuable Pictures of it, but this is the only one listen I don't have to be completely impressed by something to give it credit for creativity and originality. Okay Don't have to be completely impressed to give it credit for creativity and originality. Yeah, I agree I don't think anybody disagrees.  Actually, what do you mean? That's not a thing. Okay. See, I feel like this is an honest video He might open with that's not a thing, but what if it were For you in your your world where if that were a thing and it was sold for a lot of money What is that? What do you what do you think? Is there a limit?   I don't know.  Why aren't you reading like the ones that have hundreds of thousands because they're probably detailed We don't want to do that Completely misinterpreting the entire video not even paying attention in charlie stream goes to the video Leaves a comment on the original video without watching it. Still getting it wrong. You didn't pay attention. That's so embarrassing for you Again, it's not. Yeah, it's so embarrassing. Yeah, this is the worst thing that's gonna happen where We're the embarrassed ones.  He's probably feeling pretty good right now. Yeah The really big audience and they're very unfunny so charlie moves on Looking for a video defending boy. You haven't so much just made me crack a smile this whole time and you've clearly tried so I don't know. Well, I've smiled slash laugh when watching this video.    Is that not your problem?  It's what we're talking about earlier when I was responding to someone in chat Just take any movie and just be like this is about a thing That's just completely not what it's about and then if someone says like what I didn't get that at all Can I claim they didn't understand? Am I allowed to? What does it rely on, you know, what is in there? Yeah Proveably and when you say jackson pollock is like clearly this is hell dude I'd be like you're full of shit and you know it Clearly this is hell sure buddy Like you have to be able to concede that it's a bunch of stuff and splashes and clashing that could be interpreted in a billion ways Which I feel was proven with the 15 guesses as to what yellow islands was I don't I don't mean to say that that's like proof that it's meaningless or anything I just mean that it's it's perfectly reasonable for people to Quote-unquote misunderstand or rather There's nothing that's going to lead you to the correct interpretation as said by the author Now is there mr.  I was told the law Um, so I know it's like I get it. I think it's obvious It's like uh-huh get it the video is one if you had a is you had a jackson pollock like gallery You could just take all the little info cards and just switch them all Yes, you could and it wouldn't make a difference and I don't buy that this guy would ever have noticed that Like if you'd switch loose loose fur and hell would he really have known? Absolutely not As though I can't blame him for clowning on it making a painting which is about the substance of paint itself The fact that paint is liquid And when we see paint that's funny.  Why can't the paint can't achieve the exact same thing?  Have I not achieved the same thing? Just made to resemble something else whether it's the sky or a field or whether it's the sky a field or flesh What they're very commonly mistaken for each other Is that a what oh my god? Oh, no, it's just it's just the sky guys. I thought it was flesh But what pollock does is just presents us with paint as paint, but again, he just keeps focusing on Lucy Then who knows Selling the art that's not what this is about You know who you know what else presents paint as paint the fucking can that the paint Okay Has anyone done that Get it on the ground floor go go go like paint cans Like if I put paint cans on like a table at an art gallery, could I sell that the video keeps going and By the way, he said like he keeps focusing on the selling point Yes, because charlie has no issue with anyone making these things go nuts He has frustration that they would be at the top of the art world or sold for millions or hundreds of thousands It's obviously his criticism Frustration charlie keeps saying that it wouldn't be that hard to make a jackson pollock painting. I agree None of them have the energy The spontaneity and the sheer skill in handling paint that he has very skillful I don't know. I just feel like that's a lie Like just show me Yeah, show me how he does it and then I will concede if if somehow you show me something that I just couldn't even Can see if I'm like wow look at the look at the technique. He's using I couldn't do that like show me it Well, wait, we can we can look right I can go to youtube And I how when were these made?  Oh, this is so exciting Do you want to do you want to find out together? Do you want to watch? Yeah, okay, sure. Uh, yeah, we want to take a detour and just just so that we've got context and we know um One second. I'll just make a note where we are 35 24 Oh Hold up. This may be copyrighted. So I'll mute it. Sorry. Yeah, you could you could mute your watch together if it's coming through there So it's up to you Okay, so So far pretty pretty good pretty good It's the way.  I bet Oh, yeah You could just tell you could tell Oh that kind of skill Oh my gosh Wow, yeah, um the doobie in this matter. Yeah, I mean, what am I even meant to do with this? No, the closeness of the the brush to the canvas Yeah, yeah, yeah the technique. Now notice how he holds the canyon. It's the freneticity. Okay. That's right Yeah, that the kineticism the uh, the the sponsor variety Oh, and look he littered Wow You know, you should let it just land on the painting and you can become a part of it Well, no some of the smoke particles, you know, they imbued in the pain and nobody's done it like him. Nobody ever didn't like that Look at that. Yeah Yeah, I know and it's reserved yet the paint speaks for itself You know, but yeah, he gives voice to the paint. He gives voice to it. Yes Feel bad. This isn't this isn't Pollock's fault.   Like I said, but like this you can't convince me This is something that like only he could do or that was a highly skilled thing that he's doing Like I I just don't believe it Maybe there's a lot of stock to put in the fact that he was the first person to really do it like that, you know Yeah, the audacity you have to appreciate Yeah, yeah, I suppose Oh, wow, this this is a minimalist piece you could tell by the fact there's not much Here it's the beginning of the piece. Yes. This is just the beginning. You could tell this is the base layer You could tell by the lines Yeah Yeah, sorry, this is not convinced me of anything. In fact, I think it's further solidified my position that anyone could do what he does No, he's creating volume in the spaces with the paint. You could see yeah there at the bottom And then he then he has the balls to sign it Whatever, I don't mind that far. I don't this is a thing. I have no issue with him doing this at all I have issue with the guys being like this is something that only Pollock could do This is Pollock's talent coming. He's like, okay It's me Skulls of all the great masters looking at him going.  Yeah, uh, that did not make me think That uh, anyone else couldn't do it. I believe How about Jackson Pollock's most expensive painting is worth 200 million dollars I'd rather not know that I'd rather not know that you didn't have to tell us that and now we know Well, now you know Oh very skillful Does he see how much paint is on this? That doesn't mean skill. There's so much. Wow. There's so much There's so much paint. There's so much paint on a canvas means skill. It's more skillful to put more paint on Dammit, it's it's covered and it's really big like especially you even sound desperate to explain it You don't know how to explain why it's skilled. So you went with big and lots What's a man?  He thinks that's a counter to what charlie said Don't you see how much paint there is as if the skill is literally in just placing Volumes of paint. That's it. Like I said an infant could knock over a can of paint kick it down the f***ing staircase It'll splatter everywhere. It's so skillful. It's it's so skillful. It's indistinguishable from accidental Especially if it's on the ground he had to walk around Whoa, wow. He had to allow gravity to let the object fall He had to walk around it. Wow. He had to can you imagine being so skillful? This is indistinguishable from parody by the way This could be a montipython sketch. I could believe it. Yeah, this is like a tim and eric thing. You'd see at 3 a.m He had to walk around it. He used lots of paint You know a lot of people don't really rely on those two aspects when talking about some of the most talented painters in the world Usually say holy f***. Look at the incredible painting they made He had to walk around and on it. He could swing his whole arm out and still be painting on his canvas. That's So, so it's just because it's why why why are you doing this? Why?  I don't even think it's charlie's not said it doesn't contain emotion If it's valuable to you, that's chill. That's fine. Nobody's ever taken issue with that He's talking about skill and you've said no this takes a lot of skill and what you cited is not skill Also, it's a lot of pain though. This is the part that is like the anger and hatred. Oh, how do you know? You don't know yet. How do you know that's not a how do you know? That's not yellow islands. How do you know that this isn't like a oh, it's a life I don't know. It's not heaven. How do you know? It's not him saying this was me on my vacation A brief time away from my family who hate me. This is what I love this is grilled zucchini. I sure do like it This is pasta Oh, yum How do you know because he told you? Because you looked at the law Can I find can I put let me do this like red jackson paul good luck You're gonna try and find this one and see the name So let's see, um Yeah, of course All you have to do is you just have to look for the yellowy whitey ones And then this the yellow whitey ones with some of the black in it And then once you find those it's it's basically if you do find it Being free you should do a quick back and forth guessing the name. Um, well, actually I think I've already got it I've already found it actually. Have you got have you got a name? Okay, um I do have a name Okay, is it one word or two words? Uh It's five words. Oh, what? Oh, I know. Yeah, I'm never gonna be able to guess that Yeah, I'll I'll give you a hint. It was made in 19 You cut out after 19 It's it was made in 1950 That makes this so much easier. Yeah, that's that's your hint. It's an oil painting I'll give you a it's at the Tehran Museum of Contemporary Art in Tehran. Um The grand pizza of death No, I'm out of ideas Flames it's five words Oh Flames flames flames flames flames of flame land No, but that's closer than mollar. Oh, hmm the grand pizza of islands No, we're further away now. Damn it I dude, I nah, what is it? I also give up This one is called mural on indian red ground Oh Which is the best one yet because it has red in it. Yeah, there's a base of red The title the the title has the word red in it and the paint has the color red amongst it So that's actually like the best one yet. Not bad It lives only in this man. Oh my god. The painting really tells you everything you need to know about the man behind it Oh, I never stopped to really think about the gestures required for such precision Like it looks chaotic to the untrained layman's eye The the philistines, but when you really take a step back You can see The laborious nature of each and every Splatter, okay, so now charlie is like completely The narrative of the video and is now implying narrative of the thing How is what charlie said any less ridiculous than what the video said what this guy said Fucking throughout the whole video. Let's be honest Pollock meticulously planned every stroke and oh, he's memeing dude We already know he splatted it at random. That's the joke. Yes, we know Jackson joxson pollocks that he is the meme He's the splatter man If someone ever describes anything that I make As being akin to jackson pollock. It's an insult and no one says that to be like no one's like Oh, it's just like a a jackson pollock painting No one says that as a like a term of like as a as praise In every little dip and drop the entire purpose of jackson pollock is to not do that charlie gets mad again Because someone is describing pollock's painting style by painting with gestures rather than brush strokes, you know using his whole arm As opposed to someone who paints using their body as well, but actually paint something it is still But actually paint something do they not do they not think that like all of the great masters Involve their bodies.  It's like a baseball player Them as a person creating that art they make this weird distinction.  So I good god. I totally agree with him. I guess 100% Yeah, yeah, really mad at his desperation the distinction that characterizes his entire body of work.  I don't understand like the reason why it looks like that is because he moves his whole arm Okay, a lot of artists do that. That's great Yeah, like I don't know. It's really strange. You know what? Super unique that he moves his arm if his brother jeremy pollock didn't move his arm Only have afflicted his wrist and that was the restriction and created art. That wouldn't be any less valuable, right?  There's no way that's a painting Oh, wait, that's a painting. He's looking at him. I didn't know I legitimately didn't know I thought there's like some graphic or something or I I I legitimately didn't even consider That's a painting this this has been a roller coaster Reward in it for me. I don't get anything for it I don't know why he says that there's no reward for finding meaning in art The meaning is we often find rewarded meaning Yes, the meaning is but that's what he's saying the meaning is the reward But but yeah, I don't think anything was disagreeable what charlie just said the reward It can change your perspective make you feel seen help you understand other people You just have to be open to it.  Like what's your end game here? Like what's up? He said that venus was a masterpiece, but you know, it's dull and the composition's not it's a bit busy. Come on. It's a bit busy Yeah crowded crowded There's literally nothing at the end of that tunnel The only reward is to the artist that put no effort into it and sold it for a lot of money To people that have been brainwashed that to make them believe that it's worth that price Just try to think that the people who are attending museums are buying the art again We're at this some of them maybe um times. Yes, actually. Yes, unironically.  He's worry about that is the bozo buying it Just really isn't about the money.   It's like another it's it's uh, it's an expressionist like abstract painting I don't even know why is he bringing this up? It does not. Yeah, I mean It seems when they're talking about the thing of money He's like saying oh you think that these are too expensive or some of these ones that are too expensive The most expensive painting in the world from Leonardo DaVinci. It's not even finished hair does not look like that classical What are you doing? Wait? What are we trying? Do you think that tearing down DaVinci? It's not in any way What are you doing? Wait, I thought wait. I thought the point was it's not supposed to be photo realistic and portray reality as it is So I think the generous interpretation is that he's parodying those people But he showed us a clip of Prager you man saying it's not about being realism Not about being realistic. He showed us that clip. Why do you keep saying this as parody and making fun of them? When that's not what their positions are Why do you keep doing this to me?  He just doesn't address the points at all. It doesn't mean anything School paintings go for way more money are owned by way worse people if they're not already stolen from the country They again Jackson Pollock like it's called number 17 a it's like the fifth most expensive painting ever Like there you go.  They belong to I don't think anyone's mad that Jackson Pollock trickled little driblings of paint across a canvas or someone submitted a canvas they bought from michael's as art Submitted the one they bought just like didn't add anything to it They're mad about the price that it sells for and the people that defended it's never there it is This is exactly what I Was never about the fact that people do it. That's fine. You can do whatever you want really the piece itself so I guess charlie's biggest problems with modern art are The price it's sold for and the people who defend it Even though he said in the last video that no one defends modern art art like modern art is one of the most bafflingly Outrageous things to me And the thing is I never see anyone defend it. I literally never see anybody online defend it That isn't also laundering money with art themselves.  He's he's included the people who Uh defended as those who are interested in the money aspect And then his primary concern is the fact that they sell for so much It seems consistent. I don't I don't see any contradictions. Yeah, the people whatever art people I think he's trying to solidify the point as nobody really likes modern art This is all bullshit something's going on like that seems to be his position though I'm sure he'd say it's hyperbolic that there are a lot of people It's just that he doesn't meet many people who say they like modern art, which by the way I agree. I don't meet many people who say they like modern art It wouldn't refer specifically to those types, you know Probably a lot of people who who would like employ occum's razor to think like no, no This is some scam people don't actually like it's that reason. No, no way I think most the most common reaction you get showing someone with Jackson Pollock pain and be like, huh And you're like, do you like it?  How but but how come my super talented friend on the internet who is an incredibly capable artist with How come they are struggling to make a living?        Is that a thing? Gay people like modern art What it yeah, I I don't know if that's a joke or something.    Yeah Hang for it or rich freaks with more money than they need I would much rather have the money go to a museum where they actually spend it on public education Some non-profit museums do college grants. It's not really a bad thing when art is sold generally That's a way to put it. It's not really a bad thing when art is sold. All right And he also said that it's just money laundering I feel like In the specific case of money laundering it is bad when I saw Is that charlie never actually brings up an example of art that sells for too much He just keeps making up examples like we looked at diana earlier Which was a potted plant that was store bought and put on a shelf and that was the art I'm not mad about that.  I think that's a wonderful joke But if I heard that sold for 100 grand if If I heard that sold If he said he's making it up If yeah, he actually signaled that he was making it up That would be upsetting to me. Okay 100k actually If it's such a horrible problem that is so frustrating that you start the video mad about it. Why are there no examples? I think there are plenty of examples if you actually go to just like the top You just did it again like I said you look at the top five most expensive paintings jackson pollock One of his is number five and it was sold for 200 million dollars like 2015 And you don't have to go far for another jackson pollock one that sold for two 100 sorry 140 million because once you adjust for inflation then it starts to get a bit crazier um Yeah, like They're expensive. They cost a lot of money. I mean to bear in mind like 200 million dollars You can make a movie a big expensive movie for that much money. Mm-hmm Charlie has been misinformed about modern art.  He's gonna sell for a lot. He's not even making the money. He's dead I don't think I don't even know what like why are you just not addressing his points ever If there's anything anyone could ever say or any explanation for any of this that would ever actually change my mind on the interpretation of empty canvas work and splatter paintings It is all Trash if nothing changes charlie's mind. That's fine. I didn't make this video for charlie and I doubt he'll see it I mean there's not much in this video is going to change his mind. You've not really done anything to do so. No It would be the real when you try to tell us about the artistic integrity of like pollock's work You said he uses lots of paint and he moves around and then he moves his arm and walks around the canvas Oh, they said that that that was just insane in terms of like you you kept that in the video too That's uh, that's what that's uh, that's a nice halo reach is what that is Learn for yourself art is subjective not in a I think this is good And I think this is bad way But in a way that's unique to everyone your appreciation in your taste in art is reflective of your subjective experience Your identity your personality these are all factors in observing art and I think Right and his and all of that has fed into him thinking that this is bullshit Yeah, I was gonna say none of this contradicts anybody yet More important experience and think for yourself rather than letting you don't do that You explicitly told us you have to get explanations. That's right. You need the explanations I don't even like it's actually It couldn't be that charlie came to this conclusion On his own or hell, you know, maybe some of the propaganda reached him But he also had other propaganda reach him and just other earnest perspectives reach him and then he came to this conclusion Um, yeah, just you know psa. Don't be like this guy. Don't decide that art is worthwhile or not based on its law You can you can decide it for yourself and you can incorporate that if you are interested on its own. Yep, you can exactly Think narratives you like charlie Look at the art and think about what you think about let's dictate what you think I'm gonna end this video by telling you remember he he didn't even connect charlie with prairie. You he just said that was the case All right, what did he say? Sorry? I had to Well, we're at the conclusion of the video and we're just pointing out like how remember that the intro was like He connected charlie with prairie you but there was nothing there was a useful idiot, right?  I think if you showed most people they wouldn't be that impressed by that pretty You can find people who dislike pollock from all walks of life Yeah, I can imagine some right wing or centrist because it's not actually like some big political statement You know these canvases of art they you could try and say it's inherently blue You just say that but the moment you give it this the little tiny iota of thought it doesn't really mean anything You about one of my favorite art pieces. It's just a fan and a little for fuck's sake Trick bar here we go into the wall in the museum like any other covered in plexiglass Blowing through just a few holes at the view at first glance a few it's just a fan in a room But the description reads but the law Ah So now like at this point I have completely disconnected from the fan And I'm just focused on the little story and that's going to be like probably is it going to be like completely We should do that right listen to his explanation Brush the fan from memory and just listen to the explanation. Do you need the fan at that point? Let's let's think about it. I was already there. I'm already there. Get ready for the mold up everybody soon after Museum like any other covered in plexiglass Blowing through just a few holes at the view at first glance It's just a fan in a room But the description reads soon after the death of his lover Steven Arabino from AIDS Los Angeles conceptual artist Boskovich discovered that Arabino's family had completely cleared out his apartment Including the artist's possessions saved for the electric box fan in this work an entire person Existence and relationship had been erased like so many were during the AIDS crisis Boskovich encased the fan in plexiglass as a kind of evidence and created cutouts to allow its circulated air to escape And be felt by the viewer almost like an exhalation In a sense restoring Arabino's breath at least as a facemill in memoriam. Boskovich makes a tender broken hearted gesture Wait in facemill facsimile I think he means facsimile interrupts the story. Yeah, that looks okay. All right towards some form of eternal life Oh, that's it All right. All right Yeah, okay, but if you didn't have the plaque there, how could you have ever possibly ascertain that? I feel like it's worth saying straight away. Um, that's a better short story than that is as a piece of artwork Yeah, I think that's a great story. Um, that's that's a really that's a great story. But like I mean, how could I possibly like why do we need a fan for that almost? How could I possibly glean that just from looking at it for what it was? Yeah, what if someone just didn't have that story? Maybe the plaque fell over or it got delivered to the wrong room or whatever and And someone just looked at it and they came up with their own meaning about an enclosed fan and Like what it's supposed to mean or whatever Yeah, I just I mean like, I don't know I just like it feels like we're we're attaching so little value to being able to look at the piece as it is on its own in a vacuum Even even acknowledging that getting the additional context or explanations from either the creator or you know Like just anybody else can be valuable. Absolutely can be but like why are we putting so little stock? In being able to extract value from it for what it is on its own Because sometimes you'll have to sometimes there won't be an explanation or like any additional context Sometimes a creator won't explain what they were intending. Sometimes a creator dies before they could explain it and is unfinished I feel like it's probably a really healthy thing to kind of like give the thing itself a lot of you know, um I get I don't know. Maybe not necessarily reverence, but like, um Like that you don't don't lose the the art piece itself, you know behind of the story or let the story do all the heavy lifting and That kind of thing It feels like we're barely appreciating the work for its own sake Which feels like an important part at least to me of like absorbing something that's been created as like What is it? You know without any explanation from the creator without any of the explanations that you're going to be getting from people who You know already come to their own conclusions based on like what can you draw from it? You personally it was like it's interesting because he's trying to put a lot of more stock in the idea of like your subjective experience of you know consuming art which like I mean, yeah, but But at the same time like your process emphasizes heavily like finding out Basically where you're meant to focus your attention how to think about it what to think about it rather than developing it on your own Because without that story, I couldn't have how could I possibly create it and guess that? Yeah, no even close to that Meanwhile Behind it Meanwhile to once again make the point with this lad I think there's lots that we could discuss As to what it means with what it's doing, especially when in motion, right? um Then if you were curious enough and you were like, what uh, what do some people think about this? Uh thing and read about it says, uh, the piece is called can't help myself and uh For example, um, it goes without saying that there are plenty of theories about what can't help myself is actually about in the comment section Continuously cleaning up pieces of yourself as you endlessly fall apart writes one user Inting at an underlying commentary on mental health Alone while everyone watches you and uses you for entertainment. No piece of art has ever emotionally affected me this way Uh, as much as this robot arm has reads another interpretation It's programmed to try and contain the hydraulic fluid that's constantly leaking out and required to keep itself running If too much escapes it'll die So it's desperately trying to put itself back together to continue to fight for another day It's like super It was already fascinating and then you get to read these interpretations and think about what it is And he's just like, oh this this is what I love about art. This is great And the thing I feel like, you know, because if I presented one you could just make this is like almost an observation about the nature of like Existence and kind of like persisting to retain a sense of self, you know as you like gradually decay away over time Like that it's ultimately like futile pointless fruitless and eventually you're gonna run out of energy Like I feel like that's a reasonable interpretation I could pull from it that in some way kind of differs from the one that was presented there But I feel like I can actually draw that from this From this like piece of art essentially I don't need to be Yeah, and yeah for the records there's there's loads of examples that I think are great and that I love But there's also loads of examples that are absolutely horseshit And it's just like what the hell is this and we need a way to be able to distinguish them And that's probably the main question I would have for uh, Ethan is have you ever come across a piece of art that you felt was just bullshit? Yeah, has there ever been one where you thought I don't know that one buddy. Do you always wait until you get an explanation of how it was made before you make that call? I don't know it's It's weird that that the additional context behind A work as it is whether it's a painting and I guess I presume we would extrapolate this from him to like Films books and everything that it's like it is it is incomplete without this information rather than this being additional information Perspective and commentary that it's that you know can whether you agree with it or not can influence your uh your opinion on it Yeah, like exactly like the Mona Fringy You know, yeah, I just thought we put some excellent artwork up, you know I mean, I don't like it So there you go You guys know night hawks. You familiar with that painting? Uh, maybe I'm not sure Hmm Because I really like night hawks And I've been curious if you know, no, it's too powerful Too big Yeah No Oh, this screenshot or no Yeah Goddamn it hold on All right. Well, I was gonna say anyway that uh It's quite an intro to the next the sixth year of evap, I guess Yeah, that was something else. That was really uh starting strong. We've already got some good memes from that one. We uh Yeah, but that was pretty painful. I'm not gonna lie um I that really I think is in all the years of evap that we've done There is this element of if you're talking about x you should sort of like I expect you to be An expert or to be learned about it or to be in some way You know able to speak on the thing more than a layman, but that was like worse than average um Oh, yeah, I've seen that Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's really famous when it's parodied endlessly. Yeah, simpson's even parodied it But I guess the thing would be like there's plenty of different interpretations of night hawks that you can find But I feel like this is this would be you could you can look at that and like make something of it without This is But someone explains to you what this painting is it's infinitely frustrating to me And there's a story that's present here that you can glean without being told what you're meant to think about it Well, that's the thing imagine like seeing this and being like I'm not I'm not I haven't I haven't consumed the art yet And it's like what do you mean like well now I need to look at Tell me what I'm meant to think about it And I didn't consider night hawks within the context of all of hopper's other works Like it's essential. I need all of that information. Otherwise like I'm not you know, I am lost I can't make sense of it um, also, uh So the sands if you want to add me on the old discord we can get you in for an episode if you want apparently He's got some context to add for the uh the video coverage. You can please do get time to Wrap it. I imagine then we can bring you on for um, whatever it is you have a speciality in maybe art maybe Movies of some kind TV shows games who knows but we can uh, we can sort it out because obviously we'll be heading off at this point Yeah, we've done our damage What a video seven Nearly seven hours. Yeah, look at that. Yeah Oh We did it. We talked we we solved art. We figured it out Yeah, we know that we no thanks from this ethan fellow.   You're so infected by it. It's a virus What's the political memes of of monofringy, you know What? Well until we talk to the artist we can't possibly know or appreciate and we wouldn't want to get it wrong So don't even think about don't even think about having an interpretation You can't get it wrong even though it's all based on your like subjective experience of it. You can get it wrong You kept trying to like go for like not even trying Yeah Also final That's right. Yep. Look at that. What a segue. Remember limited time This is actually the last time We'll be probably live on efat because by the time we stream next it'll be over Remember earlier Robert was saying You need to buy the good art. You need to encourage that sort of thing go go and buy the good stuff Let me tell you this is the good stuff right here And there's only what four and a half more days You got four and a half days and then that's it then they're gone forever That's it. They're gone like jackson pollock paintings.  So you are running. Yeah, like don't procrastinate. You'll forget That's right.  They they form their own Grander broader, you know artistic Metatron they make a statement together. Yeah Good stuff buy them please they help us out a lot Appreciate seeing them out there and uh, you will be sad if you don't get them It's true. It's scientifically verifying. I mean, I mean, oh, yeah, I yeah, I think they look really great I'm really great. You do look really excellent makes it really hit it out of the park once again with the movies So yeah, patronize the good link in the description go go take a look If you were thinking about grabbing them now now it's now or never basically it is now or never. That's true And we'll say uh, we go uh, it'll be a meme fap next uh So the following saturday and the sat after that, uh Well, there's like three different episodes of three different guests. I'm trying to set up so If that will be good for a while the tips of uh, crazy events and from what I understand, you know We're running low on new releases for movies. So we'll just have to check out some videos. I guess Yeah, so never a shortage of people who uh, have opinions. Yeah, who have opinions Like Ethan here. He had a lot of opinions a lot of opinions on art Some of them not as crazy as others. We'll say that. Yeah, that's a nice way to put Yeah, um, and of course, uh recordings still continue on them super chats But uh, we've we finished up the anniversary ones that'll be out Wednesday And then uh, we're just getting chugging away on all the episodes getting them all done obviously like said Oh, yeah, sorry.  I was just gonna add something else Uh, like I said, the vinyls have four and a bit days left So links in description links easily findable makeshift vinyl figure. It's all there about to run out and then um Yeah, like this this Good ol efap ev episodes on the way for a soca as well. I know you guys um Are unhappy at the idea that episode four is out and episode one just came out But as you probably noticed the editing is top notch. So it takes time Yeah, it's uh, but episode two would quicker. It's it's very nearly done It'll be out soon and then obviously straight on to episode three Episode three Thankfully, but uh episode four was a bit of a chonga. So uh, It's a bigger episode a lot of discussion So, you know, yeah on their way and I hope you enjoy them and apparently five is gonna have big happenings in it So Of course it is Dude this show man. It's so bad Like and by the way guys when it comes to like trying to actually edit these episodes It is unbelievable. Like how many big pauses there are between every sentence that you can just like drop them out And then of course to illustrate how long those pauses are is It's so long remember the part when uh Like asoka was talking to our whatsa name as they were traveling through that uh that that facility where they were building the ships And it's like, you know Sabine's not ready to be a jedi and then there's a big pause. I'm curious Big pause. How do you know when someone's ready big pause? You just know and then about 20 seconds of pause for the rest of the scene as it lingers out and then we cut to the next scene Oh, just wonderful. I love it. I love all of that's good writing. That's really good writing Yeah, it's building it's building character. You know, it's just building It's so is It is, you know when the characters are just walking towards each other for like a minute holding their lightsabers out It's really it's really brilliant and inspired You don't want to overdo it. You don't want to get a coolness overdose.  You've never seen it this bad and just trust me It's what had to be okay.  It's like, okay You have to go Heavy and crazy on it a lot of speculation here. I'm seeing some scary movies saw halloween Long war Could be any of them as as per usual you'll get your uh your trailer and it'll confirm it And uh, well, hopefully you guys enjoy this one has been worked on by several editors And uh, well, we're looking forward for you to see it. Halloween is set to be a lot of fun this year. I think Hooray also, thank you very much a lot of people bought the figures already Absolutely Thanks guys seriously like we we have fun and everything but they really do help us out a lot They're a they're a huge help to us and we love we love supporting makeshift because they do incredible work with these It's a huge props to those guys And again, like it really does help us out a lot. Um And boy, do you get something for your money? He's a great. I've got all mine up here On my little loft ledge and boy, look great. Just a big lineup of all my uh all my friends and It looks great. Hold on to my plushies. Just Around in the office. That's what I got was my I got my rim world thrumbo and All the boys great. Yeah, get them help them out. Yeah, seriously. Thank you. Yeah, the support is super duper purchase Yeah, it's uh, it's really cool that you guys like these so much And well, I suppose uh, what is there anything else you guys wanted to talk about before we head out? No, just um It I I seem to always be well not always We have um It makes videos like this really appreciate the way that we engage in art and sort of I guess challenge the way that we perceive it The questions we ask ourselves in each other how we Just how we discuss the entirety of the topic because so many people seem to have these bizarre Um, like they have this at the same time. It's overly broad and tunnel vision at the same time There's no consistency with the way that they view the topic and I mean, I think we do a really good job sort of, you know, given these things good discussions because boy Ethan is uh Well, what a mess.  He's got a lot to learn He's got plenty of great videos to come Absolutely I'm sure he's got this was just the bad one the rest are total bangers. Yeah, I'm sure they're all great I would never watch them, but you know, no, I would never watch them No, sometimes the law was so low that you But maybe I'll check out solar sands. He's got some jocks and Pollock stuff and some art discussions So then he was referenced in the video. So who knows? Perhaps we shall see him here in the future Who knows but yeah, but now totally pip cheerio. Have a good night everybody Bye everyone. We'll see you later. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye Toodaloo


Lucas. No, no, no, no. Lucas. NCT Lucas! Ewww! NCT's Lucas made these hilarious mistakes when learning Korean, don't we? All make mistakes. I, uh, yeah, I always make mistakes. What are you talking about? We always, always, always make mistakes, okay? He accidentally offended his seniors. Oh, looks like I forgot to get my green screen. I'll be back! So, let's find out how NCT Lucas offended his seniors. Oh my god. Everyone who learns a new language is bound to make blunders. And Lucas is no exception. Yeah, I've made blunders. So far, when I've been learning Korean. Oh my god. Lucas, you're just a visual god. Oh! Yeah, you're so... Oh dude, he's actually...  I'm jealous. We don't need our cap on. What are we doing? This talented NCT member was born in Hong Kong to a Chinese father and a Thai mother. Prior to becoming an SM Entertainment trainee, Lucas already spoke Cantonese Mandarin in English.  Holy, I can only speak English. Like, not that well. And there's my main language.  Can you stop being good looking? Gosh. He told the happy together cast that he didn't speak any Korean when he first moved to Korea to begin his trainee life. Oh, you know what? That sounds about right. And look at that. I didn't know any Korean back then. In fact, during a group meeting with Lee Su-min, SM Entertainment's founder, Lucas just nodded along without understanding a word of what was being said. Same, I always do that. Oh yeah. I didn't know any Korean back then. So I'm continuing to understand. Yes, yes. His acting was so convincing that Lee Su-min was none the wiser. Lucas told the cast that he now understands 70 to 80% of what is being said about back then, his lack of knowledge about Korean culture caused problems for him. Holy. Oh, it was really hard to say hello to people. Oh, same. I should have said hello, maybe, because I got so excited. As a foreigner, Lucas wasn't used to incorporating bowing as part of his greetings. He used to say hello in passings rather than bowing, which was inadvertently offended, which inadvertently offended his seniors. Also, Lucas's height didn't help the situation either. He believes that his seniors may have been even more offended by the improper greetings because he seemed like he was looking down on them.  Six foot four, represent, skrr skrr. Since I am taller, I look down on them and said hi. Hello. That isn't the only time Lucas found himself in trouble. Ooh, we can learn more of his mistakes. When he was first learned Korean, Korean. He also didn't realize that there was a difference between young, used by males to address older males, and oppa, used by females to address older males. Lucas had a 50-50 shot of getting it right, but ended up making the wrong choice. Oppa! Lucas is so charming though, that it's impossible to hold these innocent mix-ups against them. Oh, I know, right? Just look at him. To see more, you can check out the subtitle, and happy to give a clip here. Okay, why not? Yeah. Oh, what's up? Yeah, that was pretty good. Well, I actually just watched a video from the start, to be honest, but we need to make the video long. Yeah. But yeah, we all make mistakes when we're learning a language. I was doing that when, at primary school, I had to learn the native language of New Zealand, which is the Mara language. I kind of got it wrong and all that stuff, and it was kind of weird when I was getting it wrong, because people don't get me out. But I feel like when I go to Korea, I'm going to make mistakes just like that. You know, I'm probably going to somehow call a xiong oppa when I know that it isn't that way, even though I feel like I will. But yeah, there will definitely be a lot of mistakes. That's why we make mistakes. We make mistakes so we can continue to grow. We can get up from those mistakes and make ourselves a better person. Okay, that's why we make mistakes. So next time you guys make a mistake saying, I did that, or you can say, yeah, I made a mistake. Now I know what to do right next time. I made myself a better person instead of being like, ah. God, that was such an anime thing to do. Oh my bad. I didn't mean to do that. Oh my God. Basically going to be all for this video. I hope you guys- Please show us thumbs up. And also comment down below if you've made any mistakes like this whilst learning a language. Let me know. And also subscribe to the channel because there will be more news content coming to you guys. This isn't even news, but there will be more content like this coming to you guys. So stay tuned for that by subscribing. And, uh, yeah! I'll be back. And just keep on smiling. And adios! Do-