I am going live now Bad man bad Bad man long. Oh wait, that's actually a good thing. Have you played Metro Exodus and Metro Metro Mets and Destiny's wolf. Oh Should I wait for more people to get in so I mean they'll see it in the archive either way, right? Yeah, but I mean this is assuming because I mean some of the live audience I imagine probably won't bother watching the archive So we should give them a couple minutes. I have many a game to report on anyway, so what are we gonna talk about? Well, I don't know waller. What do you want to talk about today? brute in general brute brute that's totally what I said brute I am brute. Oh Oh, you know what we never actually did even though CJ guested after the time we made this thing I believe we're just really bad with this or I'm really bad with this But uh having all the guest choose who they think will be the most inconsistent character of episode nine We never did it with CJ, but now we can do it I'll have you know your fellow podcast members boxes voted for Poe and Snacks voted for Finn as the Character that would be most inconsistent. You're not allowed to pick Lando or Kylo because they're both the obvious choices hmm The most inconsistent character in episode nine.  Well, I mean they can't well they can't make I even forgot her name now. This is how much I've erased it from my memory Ray Ray, yeah, they can't make her any more of a Mary Sue's so they can't they can't disappoint me there What if what if they kill you would that be the ultimate inconsistency?   No Yeah, trans black woman No point just like oh god, who's that person? Who's that woman who like was really really white? And she was like no, I'm trans black and then people found like pictures of her parents Yeah, I remember she was talking about how Star Wars was racist because Darth Vader was actually James Earl Jones and it's like no James Earl Jones was the voice actor He wasn't actually the face of Darth Vader Yeah, and she was making the argument that he turns white to what he accepts Luke is his son And it was like what are you talking about? Well, if any if no like Darth Vader was always white and the the actual the guy that portrayed him in the suit He's the one that got screwed over. Yeah, because he was played by you know guy Yeah, the press it was huge, but apparently he has a really thick accent so they wouldn't let him They wouldn't let him do Darth Vader's voice when his helmet came off, so they replaced him. He was a bit pissed off about that He's a name stuff. They dubbed his voice right in episode four Yeah, cuz it was embarrassing. He had the original voice, but it just sounded really awkward if you listen to it And so they just don't know that and they didn't tell him as well as far as I know until he saw it brutal But it's Rachel de la diesel.  Yeah, okay. Oh dear.  I literally just typed in transracial woman into Google and the second result was this news article Which is great.  Only in the sense.  My memory. It's interesting because Poe now has the most votes actually Hmm Maybe it's just maybe it's just because of the way he was treated in the last film Well, you know like taking like The element of him that was sure and then saying oh, it's his flaw now Yeah, the thing that made him a good character and saying no this makes him bad Or just him acting correctly He was acting correctly throughout the entire film but the film insisting no Listen to these women who are perfect who are completely right and flawless and stunning and brave I'm assuming we'd all agree right that the most inconsistent character episode 8 would probably be Luke. I Think so, yeah, even though. Yeah, and as it would be look I'm curious if we'll actually even agree once episode 9 comes I wonder if we'll actually come to a consensus on who's the most broken character I feel like it's going to be Lando because no matter what they do with them It's going to be inconsistent Because if they if they go with the solo Lando Then it's already gonna be contradicting the original trilogy Imagine if you go with the original trilogy then they contradict solo Imagine they make him like the wise Obi-Wan character. He's like God must do this.  Yeah, just all the all the footage is old So I don't exactly know how they're gonna generate dialogue. They probably get an impressionist to do a couple lines surely Maybe like if she turns around and then she says like really important plot related things and then she turns back around goes. Hello God it's gonna be so bad. I thought it would be wise to show this on stream. It was made between e-faps It's a rendition of the idea of Jared's head being used as a a nest or flying another one No, this is the same one. Oh, okay, but just it's just still super impressive. It really is amazing. I just love the idea That someone took the time out of their day Just because we made a joke on a five-hour podcast that lasted maybe six or seven seconds to draw Jared and Actually make his hair a nest for flying fox bats Our our audience is so they're amazing and they're Dain at the same time Your fans have so much time on their hands. Oh, yeah, it's like plus talent equals beautiful things That mean that you showed me of oh, oh, yeah, don't spoil no spoils. No we haven't showed it. Oh, sorry Sorry, and the rags and wolf haven't seen it yet either. Oh, right. Sorry, but it's amazing. It's really amazing Is everybody in the watch together as well? We're not we're not jumping in just yet, but I was just making sure Yes, I think I'm in yeah, I think rags isn't because he always actually has an icon unlike the rest of us plebs I'm hearing a slight echo You know, it's gone now. Let's go now. It's fine But yeah, I mean it's like with with we had an episode without wolf Which was just horrible because majorly was his replacement and you know, I thought I thought you were about to say I was his replacement No, um, I was like trying to jokingly talk about how you know, like the Jared appearance and the The live debate with the person we were covering and all the amazing memes made for a great like season 2 finale, so it's like season 3 episode 1 is this like horrifying debate with Majorly, I wasn't a huge fad of the EFAP season 3 episode 1 Do they have the same writers or I? Can assure you we do all the all the actors are back. It's just that The the actor who plays wolf was injured on set and he couldn't record episode 1 So they had to write him out People in the chat were even saying bring on Wolfbot Yeah I thought I thought it went well a lot of people thought it was like a bad episode because majorly was trolling us But I don't think you could argue that he would have gotten away with it. It was like We pulled him on so many of his statements like it wasn't like he just said a thing and we were just like that sounds fair moving on It's like no guys. He's tricking you or anything You went back on a lot and I thought it was amusing wait someone just said it's the pipe man is he in chat? Yeah, Voxus is in the chat Hello, but less a point man That came from that came from you guys didn't it? I want to describe this for you so we actually managed to get Jared on the show which was the greatest thing that has ever happened to me in my entire life and Because Voxus's profile picture has a pipe in it Apparently Jared took it upon himself to call him the pipe man, and then he said that he was very blessed And then he started calling him blessed pipe man And then the whole chat got in on it and everyone started calling him blessed pipe man And if you look in the comments section of any of his most recent videos Calling him the blessed pipe. Yeah Voxus.  He loves the attention Well, I was actually gonna say that's it's just a perfect lead-in. So I'm gonna play it If you guys have watched together up. Do you know that wrestling thing where it had me and oh You're gonna play part two. It's not part two It's something else that he made and it's just perfect for what's happening right now. Okay It's good that the pipe man is here as well. So you can enjoy this. Oh, no, is it what I think it's gonna be I Like that Jerry's a giant This this is art you cannot objectively judge this You're objectively wrong if you don't like this.   Oh, yeah, I should probably say that By the way, our guest today Forgot to I always forget to invite an ounce guest because I don't know we're just also chill He's been here before so you guys should know him and yes We were just looking at one of his fellow podcasters being immortalized into e-fab law Someone someone in the chat said when rags became ragged I was there when the rhino was milked by the psychic spiders. I was there Only in this show can you read those three sentences? It actually makes sense So yeah, um the plan for today, we're gonna check out a bunch of mean videos because We've got a bunch ready. Um, and then we're gonna be looking at Marcus Brown Lee because Because we've still done that on this show and they'll be wonderful and like I said the guest will be CJ Returning because we still have a problem of trying to get people to return While also trying to get new people and you know a season 3 he was in season 2 So you know you get like one guest per thing. That's how that works, right? 12 episodes per season. That's how we fap rolls But it was like a year has 12 months. It was 10 and 12 has 12 episodes And then no wait No, yeah, because quitting that the season 1 finale is when we talked to TRO and we're just episode 10 And then episode 24 was when we had Jared on so that's obviously the ending of season 2 Yeah, yeah, so season 1 was 10 episodes season 2 was 14 episodes Season 3 could be like 28 Wait, no 18. You're gonna have you're gonna have to you're gonna have to do a breaking bad Didn't split it into two parts because it's just so many episodes Yeah, and this just season 1 part 2 We've got so many like with so much foreshadowing and so many setups to take care of like We've got way too many characters, not enough development for a lot of them. It's a pretty tough writing process We need to resolve all those plot holes. Yep. We've had plenty of complaints about that You know Like we're exactly did the pipe man get the the pipe from, you know, is that's never explained And why are they farming rhinos? That's never explained to we need to really get on the right in for this show.  There's still a small chance of that I'm just hoping that it doesn't happen because I uploaded the video Info on my channel and I didn't get any kind of claims or strikes. We should be good But it's I've shown rags and wolf ages ago But it'll be fun to watch again because the other thing is actually really flashy Remember it's called efap dance It's like a potential It's looked at I was like, oh, this could actually like work as an intro for um The actual show whatever is it? Is this the seizure inducing one? It is. Yeah, so this is going to be flashy So if there's anything you need to do to avoid that Go ahead and do it like Trigger warning. No, it'll probably be worth it. Whatever happens to you will probably be worth it. All right Oh, yeah, here's the he's saying that to someone being sold off to slavery. Whatever happens. It'll be worth it. Hey well I don't know People will be saying they want to you gotta be like major league. You gotta see the good and things. Yeah wolf slice and dives Yeah I would cry. Oh, yeah, there you go. I love this one I haven't seen this one yet Oh my goodness Oh It may seem strange but that video is literally a summation of all of efap Oh my goodness. It's like seasons one and two I believe or like season one and a half because CJ's in it, but the there's lore in this the part I found interesting Is where it shows the um Where's it? Dude the parallel you're drawing to academic work specifically regarding history and that's my area of expertise He was comment from joseph anderson's video. Remember we read it out and then we had him on Yeah, that's what this is Oh, man, and look at the way it feels. It just goes like That's a point of milk. Riders build the butterflies. Ride a butterfly milk.  Um, which one the one basically right at one point. Do you remember this rags where majorly said uh Kylo went bad when when the sun went down Yeah What he was referring to is when uh, the sun is depleted in force awakens, you know, and then um That's when and then that moment Kylo stabs Han Solo the way he said it was like, um It's just I kind of who's Well, I said he was like I said he was like a vampire. Yeah. Oh god He was like, yeah kind of like that Oh god, please I haven't I haven't seen it. Please show me I want to know Give me a sec. I am I am grabbing it. We showed on the last one, but I mean we gotta get Wolf needs to see it. I I need to I need to see this. Um Yeah, well, once he said it I was like Kyle Ben as a vampire Can't wait Oh my god Oh I love our audience. This is the best community ever I'm glad that our audience doesn't have like jobs or Guys stay the way you are never get married never have a family never have Single and on your So the next one is uh, I believe me and wolf have seen this Uh, it's weird watching because we did the recent, uh e-fap trailer reaction So in I haven't seen this yet.   Where did they come from? He wasn't will Smith I couldn't tell the difference CJ did you say did you say that? People commented blessed pipe man on your podcast. Yeah on podcast and on streams and stuff. Yeah That's the power of Jarrod. I had no idea he would be able to make so many people hop onto that so quickly So This next one is nothing to do with us whatsoever of a friend of mine sent me it I just really sure and I thought it was funny enough that I'm just gonna play it here. No context. I Don't even really understand it myself, but it's amusing. Oh What is this We're gonna have to pause it for the audio That's hot I Would have actually given the last Jedi a good review if that's what really Yeah, this next one rags is seen but I actually think it's It's worthwhile. Do you remember the the inception of the future-telling spiders? That that stream Because he was he said something to the effect of can spiders really tell the future and then rags lost his mind So no consistency the guy who does the animations He's done a different take this time around instead of like drawings. It's like pictures to represent what we're saying and Let's just say it gets pretty amusing But this is absolutely just another one of those art forms that comes out of e-fab Memo hood. I don't know how to explain it. It just happens and it just works Hmm can spiders actually tell the future Okay No, no, all I'm saying is yeah spiders can probably tell the future Yeah, if it's in spite if spider-man can do it clearly spiders can do it as well Tell one something's been thrown in before he's been thrown That's flies that you bet that's your opinion flies Yeah, that's why I have so much trouble killing all the goddamn So they could take off like a shot and they have very fast reflexes People say Just imagine Saruman is a spider and Gandalf's like we can't use the Palantir Saruman shows up.  Sorry, Jay.  I guess it depends on how far back you go in time We got a we got a movie one some ago As you can tell this is age of Ultron Oh This is the best I can do this is exactly what I wanted all of you against all of me How can you possibly hope to stop me like for Wolf to say Together Surprise they didn't do the bark Shit that needed to be responded to Rags Shit's inexcusable Yes Yep Beautiful these things stack up it took too long to get some these yeah, there's some people out there who are like Why have you looked at this one yet? It's like there's lots so many This one has been to be shown for ages. I don't know if you guys have heard this one Which is the literal like the Clone Wars, but with the e-fab law pasted on to it I've seen like the first 10 seconds and then it was like no I got away I don't want my expectations to be subverted This one's got some intense editing as well again, just just Appreciation out the wazoo, but we got I Haven't seen what I've said this is from but the thing is like fucking CIS is everywhere and they've got like a ring of Republic ships and then the good guys in the center of it obviously The characters and yeah, I'm gonna have to pause at least every like eight seconds or so Free it's fun enough to just be like I know that one We always get the fun missions. Oh, this isn't the fun part getting back to the square is the fun part Yeah, I remember my first week on the internet. I'm glad to see you 636 lay down cover fire at point three five I don't know how I'm not gonna get copyright claim, but we're trying Practically plague the episode Oh You fat pretty much a weird grape Pretty much too serious. What's the situation here? We've got no air cover two generals on the ground Beyond opposition and a massive bug surrounding us the enemy was more than prepared for our attacks So they knew our every move I'm sure general Skywalker and general Monday will make it to our position. We just have to make sure we're Please tell me I can't remember what the reveals are but I'm a buddy. You ready buddy? You're watching movies wrong Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Was that Elijah Wood and spy kids three of a look Still hill and they arrive Watching Oh, yeah, it is. I don't know whose icon that is. That's probably one of the These ones is he yeah, he's one of the clones, right? Let me If I go to your discord, let me see because I don't recognize that icon Yeah, he's like the number one player it's by kids 3d. I think it is right It's sad that I don't Character but who whose icon it is all I remember is he has 90 died lives and they all get drained I Think that movie came out in the same year is returned to the king as well. So it's like Elijah. What happened The best movie ever made the spy kids My kids 3d is amazing. It's the best movie ever. Yeah, I think these are discord peeps For children a nuanced little centrist boy I Just writes catchphrase. It's amazing No, good thing we saved bring it. Oh, yeah I love how Ryan Johnson just keeps appearing in the background. Oh, yeah I just love the idea that all of our enemies are just ugly bug people It's it's not a commentary on the character What sort of Hello there ladies and gentlemen You Well, what happened to you Oh god, does he don't recommend subscribing to Jared Genesis? Oh You want to turn down that music it'll probably get copyright claimed. Mmm. Oh, well, it might be too late for that then I think I'm the one that's behind on the watch together As long as it lets the video stay up will be okay, but it we're still have to cut it out in post or whatever Okay, someone said general queer Did they put it like in the background sounding as well? So many yeah, I don't know if you guys notice this, but yeah cynic snacks recently recently reached 69 69 subs Oh, okay. Good. Good. Don't get any more subs. What's the significance of that number? Yeah, what can you explain it to us? me You're asking the wrong guy. I don't understand. Yeah, I don't get it. Is there a meme there? Yes, you explain it in This is this is this is something you need to talk over with your parents. Okay. Yeah, um In a control in a comfortable environment.   It's really good It might come at the cost of being like, you know less memes next time, but I just That will now that you keep teasing it now. I need to see it It's just I don't know how this is gonna work as well I'm gonna have to do loads of pausing which is gonna kind of be annoying, but hopefully maybe I can just like I think after well, you tried the pausing one on the the Darth Vader meme and It still got claimed.  Yeah, this one This one's got a song in the background and that's the problem depending on what song it is depends on like this stream Could literally go down if we're not careful because I don't every song has different rules For the copyright right like it'll be like it'll monetize it or it'll just get ready a video Um This one's just like so good the it has to be shown You live what is Monday, Matt? Oh? Oh, it's everyone horrible Who's the one to your left that's H. Bob a guy that doesn't look anything like him There's so many details in this one that it's just incredible, but wait every guy is H. Bob We're the guy that looks like the rat person from Harry Potter I couldn't remember his name. I was about to say worm tongue, but that's not good tail. Isn't it worm tail? Okay? Yeah, I go just a fantasy. No joke looks exactly the same as worm tail To every one of the chat that doesn't already know that Um So the I'm just gonna play this for a second so you can recognize something You see the fact that all of those are moving Yeah Do you understand that means only know because we pause too much you only one second to tell I know you can also get you see it back. They're all moving. Oh, okay. Now.  That's gonna take an extremely long and hard about a wick, but um Different sizes, too. Yeah, so it's gonna be Samuel Jackson. Do you think? Oh, that's not in it He's edited it. So it's just the fight scene and the he has one cut away, but it's not Samuel Jackson. It's something else Jared Yeah, I guess I'll just try and play it in like six to eight second increments Doing that burns such a rare resource that I couldn't really regard it as a source. I'm just to clarify. Have you guys seen this movie? Yes, right and I unfortunately watch the sequel.  They drew a backwards vision Oh, man, that's a lot of effort For anybody who doesn't know this is Kingsman the Secret Service, so I think that's what it's called It's the first Kingsman film. Yeah. Yeah, the only good one Well Notice but the video essay crowd is getting bloated with awful content creators Objective opinion pieces do not exist. Don't worry though, Joseph. I remember my fist video review, too We've already killed like down with thrust Joseph had us has been thrown off. I think he comes back later.  This is called My enjoyment of the film that's objective try again. Why is it your basic atheist in there? Is he?  I stopped being used before it's usually all black Lose their distance What actually You got Yeah, destiny, but destiny's fighting Sargon. I think he wants the camera pans you can see it. Um I'm not 100% sure of who the one to the left of lee is I know it. Oh, oh is lee the the red one. Yeah. Yeah, who's the who's the one to the right? No, wait, so in the center of the screen is pop culture detective to the right of that I don't know and to the right of that is lee. Um, well, there's someone to the right of lee and like some Night. Oh, let's do my class. Oh Okay, I don't know who the one to the left is though. Oh chat saying that's sara z the other girl Oh, oh the the fly girl got it fly girl Somehow yeah, there you go sargo and destiny if I Wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that these guerrilla walkers have She's like oh, she's killing the fly Stop that right now I'm telling you to stop it. It's brilliant. There's donkey fighting john Yeah, then jaren. Oh jaren's about to tackle me. I think he should not have done it Right, so this is where it gets a little bit confusing. We've pulled out in meta.  Uh, did you guys see quinton? Gun gun, that's not the issue here You can take any set of statistics and cherry pick it out come that proves the original statement trying I don't know if this is like a real chat or not Mola anime Oh, well, the you'll see now So Okay, you got you got i-fap for e-fap in the free You got er is lost on the milk because he couldn't come on e-fap It's it's just ripping with lol Oh my god, this is amazing all those bad movies in the background that as well And all the ones that he he drew all this. This is insane Yeah, then this these versions of you guys. This is original, right? I don't think this comes from anyone. Oh, yeah Yeah, this is all original. Yeah I would I would kill myself if I made content like this So A human trait helps you survive an environment that I think that's a looper looper. Yeah. Oh, oh, we got themes coming in Track Are you Moving on Oh, no, sorry, we just have the same old kylo.  Yeah No, he hates nostalgia critic. I thought he made videos about nostalgia critic.   I might need to pull it back again. Look at what jack sain is fighting the picture for two seconds He's fighting. Um, you'll maybe sucks who no no no Y mess was in there, but hold on Who is that? Hang on. I'll get it for you guys It's some weird wolf. Have you got um, I've only got one mess on the screen Have you got have you guys got my stream up because I've got the right frame. Yeah, I got it It's showing all I see now. That is though. Now it's changed. Oh the it's it's a straw man of wolf Oh I see it. Yeah, the literal straw man. He's fighting.  This is straw man rags now I think it says rags on there.  I know it seems impossible to watch movies wrong But they're wrong fringe And now this is this one's a little bit controversial because it goes back to my ukulele videos because people like arlo And the guy behind him, but they're two people who I criticized for their takes when ukulele Also, we got the quartering and angry joe fighting in the back. Yeah, that's a little Be said that all of this throwing ideas randomly It's on my screen. I think rags. You might be ahead of me because uh, the only problem is I'm just like Explaining it for people watching that as well as the yeah, that is angry joe in the quartering That'd be a movie bomb Both of the predators and me As long as we see predator rip people in half, it's worth it, right? Is that agn? Uh, I think it was yeah hang on Is that the right opinion? It's worth it, right Oh, yeah, so ign is response the response video is the axe I guess ign is the dead piece and then you got ryan and jj are fighting so they're left to me as well Yeah, and then the right opinion is fighting vox the jack is fighting a baller straw man And can you see the the baller straw man has little gas mask things on it?  I think that works. You guys are 220 227 I'm now. Yeah Yes, wait a minute. It's two minutes. Yeah, okay that works Maybe that's how we fix that it's because if I keep pulling it back it puts me out of sync with you guys As long as we see people in half it's worth it, right? Yeah, just again to clarify how long it would take to do all this like to attach all these different things I don't even know how to do it. It's absolutely insane work I would know how to do it. I would just never do it. It would take so long. This would be so time consuming And let's not forget their choice to add a cinematic set of black bars I'm pretty sure jay appreciates the camera Do you do you catch what I said there as well make sure he doesn't get up The gameplay in Selma is a waste of yeah, so joseph stabs soba with definition of a horror game And I stabbed him with that Oh, I'm sorry, what's I supposed to turn my brain off? He just killed the other straw man, they just get shot the whole video he's been fighting straw man is just To turn my brain off this is insane Punishing me for Piss off to say much about that He's got lines from every time we responded Now this is perfect.   No quentin again I think it's becoming a running meme to have a quentin face with little x's on it as well With his tongue sticking out too If you made a movie it was really bad, but you had the theme of I feel like that would save the movie I gotta I gotta get this pulls right There it is You can see it on my stream at least So, um What do you think for like best the greatest meme in existence that might be the greatest That was so deep I mean the fact that he had to draw like backs for everyone's heads and even draw other pictures and shit I mean that's insane. That's the best meme and the investment in the lore as well I just do you remember I said something like um It was like the efab before the last one where I said it's gonna get to the point But one day someone grabs a bunch of quotes from all the things we've done and makes like one long line narrative It's like oh someone was making that like it's The amount of videos you had to watch to be able to have done that Like it's insane and just all the clever references and the amount of jokes that would have been missed By anybody because I've probably missed a bunch of them Everyone in the chat's clapping That's the best meme of basic That is really yeah I loved I loved the straw man ones. I know you can also really smartly done There's so much that went into it So the link for it I'll post in chat right now and then the links for all memes we've watched will eventually be in the description um His name is major bluetooth Major bluetooth. You're now the king of the means M-a-g-e-r. Yeah, may you may you Guess you I'm assuming is pronounced major. It could be major may maya I don't know. I feel I feel like this guy probably lost his job and failed his degree just to make this He might have had gameplay as a comment on the video saying god damn This is very well edited out of curiosity how many tracks we're there and he said there's 46 tracks in total Oh my god.  Yeah, that's about my cap as well. I've had about Five six I think my cap is like Yeah, probably get up to about six things get crazy but um unbelievable amazing work What a way to cap off the meme section of this this efap. I'm coming up to one hour as well perfect, but uh Undying appreciation because these things make us laugh like crazy and they're also extremely well made to take time and talent It's unbelievable.  You know how those people or not the ones that they I wouldn't be surprised if there's a subreddit where they just get like super hatred subreddit That's like You know that they laugh at memes where like people are getting murdered just because they disagree like you're all fucked up that is I'm sure a sensitive and I'm sure um But yeah, that that about concludes the the meme section We can actually like look at videos now if everyone's ready to go back to that reality That was that that was the reason this whole thing started But I see that it's gonna just become a show where we just look at memes all day eventually Before we do that though I do gotta say I can only be here for another couple hours or so Uh, then I gotta head out kind of early. Yeah. Yeah, I can be here for another two hours at least Yeah, that'll be good. That's the you have to make it for at least three otherwise the fans will hate Yeah Me and my friend are gonna go watch a movie We were supposed to do it on tuesday, but his boss threw a curveball at him. So now we're doing it tonight instead Of course. Um It's elita ball angel, right? Yeah, we're pretty sure it's not gonna be good, but I don't get to see him too often. So Yeah, we just watch movies together at least you can tell us And the and everyone whether or not it was yeah, don't worry everyone I'll watch the movie so you don't have to and then I'll tell you how bad it is next defap Objectively though objectively Yes, obviously. Oh Oh before also before since it was asked um I have played metro exodus. It's very good Uh, also played speck ops the line.  Oh, I love that guy Um, I played a bit of kingdom come deliverance. I'm really liking it Played a bit of soul cal 6 really liking it Haven't played much of monster hunter world yet But it looks interesting. What was the other game I had That I know I played Oh, there wasn't one. Okay. Um metro exodus. Yeah, uh, Oh speck ops the line was really really good metro exodus I around Thirded the way through the game. I'm I think there's like three areas and I just got to the second one Uh, the story I got some criticisms of but I haven't finished it. So obviously I I can't speak of it completely But I'm really really liking it. So there was also but Oh, uh, just want to say the editing for my aquaman video is done. So I just need to render it and upload it So, oh, oh god, it's an hour before you leave for the movie Yeah, a whole hour and 55 minutes long. I really hate that movie. So Sorry to everyone that likes it.  How could you do that? I sure am and I I don't well because I hate that movie. So there you go. Wolf. That's mean You're watching movies wrong. You're just trying to sound smarter than other people Well, I I am but you know, it's a subjective I'm sure I'm sure someone's going to take that quote. Yeah, I am smarter than everyone It'll be with it as long as it ends up in a meme video at some point You stab somebody or something and just go I am smarter than everyone. Yeah Yeah, I'm smarter than everyone guys. Don't you know that I'm smarter than For anybody who's curious about Covering just rights video and objectivity, we will get around to it But I figure we should have a bit of a like delay on the objective subjective Discussion thing because we had like two or three faps the world about it So that wouldn't be a good night anyway because imagine if just right came again if he comes again, I want to He's never gonna talk to this again. I don't know.  Kasper is God that I watched that video again recently the one where they melt down over 2016's election thing.  She's like, I didn't know no Anna, I'll start respecting your opinion when you just admit the Armenian genocide actually happened That's they're like big controversial. Have they said anything publicly about that? Like uh, I there is a video out there of Anna screaming at someone in the audience who asked them about it Oh, right. Yeah, they're in the yeah. Yes. I've seen that That didn't well Well, no because she went on a screaming rant just because someone asked the question I'm cute. I can't remember though. Just is the is the public is she like we don't deny it or is it the they don't comment Well, I I don't know I think that shank is the one that actually denies it. I don't know about the other people But I also don't watch the young turks This is awkward because Anna is Armenian. Yeah. Yeah, so basically Armenia Anna has uh internalized genocide damn I'm sure we'll get an answer on that one day, but uh, yeah, so this is Funnily enough I think this this video is originally linked to me by voxis of all people Even though it could have come from anybody. I think it was him. He was a pipe man He will know but have you guys heard of I mentioned this? I think rags knows about this kind of wolf does you may on a way wolf You've definitely seen this actually because you've talked to me about it. So it's only quick but um Star Wars kids Is releasing shorts? I suppose. Oh god I don't know. I I can't watch this again. Sorry.  This is the worst thing So the idea is that they take the original scenes in the ot and take like Audio clips from them and then animate them and retell them Quote-unquote retell them now wolf no spoilers. We're gonna watch this and then we're just gonna You know, we're gonna draw a bit Sector for Zuko in to do this and that really irritates the hell out of me. It's just as bad as like 40k for kids Well, well, wait, wait. Yeah, it's good. You haven't seen it and same for rags Just it'll be interesting to see try not to like hang yourself It's bad just as long as you remember a new hope this may not go over well with you But yeah, so the idea is they're like kids check out these cool renditions of the old content It's like, okay, cool. It's called princess layer the rescue star wars galaxy of adventures. You guys ready? Okay Oh, my anus is ready I'm the Skywalker.  I skipped a bit It's a new rendition Yeah, everything's fine so far, you know, the the the art style is like, okay, kind of neat. I guess.  We'll we'll play it again. But uh, uh, major bluetooth just did a super child redux.   It's much I mean bluetooth probably remembers.  We can we didn't we didn't tell anybody about that. Yeah, we have wolf watched all five of the caribbean movies Uh, there are five first one's great That one's like I love the first one that one's like it's good. It's all right Third one lost its mind and went off the edge of a It didn't say the fourth one the fourth one. I was like maybe the fourth Matt as I remember no, it's like actually worse and then the fifth one I don't know what happened the fifth.  It's like What are you doing?  It's like Like a sparrow This is like no, please And then uh When he beats the guy originally basically the entire crew give him one token each and it's basically his costume Like it constructs his costume It was It was really sad watching that series just plummet off the edge of a cliff because the first movie is amazing Has some problems, but it's it's amazing. And then second movie is like, all right This is good. Then the third movie is when it just leaves the universe They should have just killed it then They should have killed it after the first one. Yeah, this is the conundrum, right? As much as we like the second one if you have the second one you have to have the third one The third one is a nightmare So it's like just have the first one. Yeah, just have the first one The first one at least like it doesn't leave on a cliffhanger or anything Like it it's open just enough that you can make more movies, but you can also watch it as a standalone So you can just think like yeah and jack went off to do a bunch of adventures. Cool. That's that's what I'll assume Someone said it went off the world's end of wolf. Yes, it did. We'll call you jack So low Yeah, that's pretty much what it was Painful. Yes. Um back to pain in general I'm rescued in the galaxy of adventures. Sometimes the princess does the rest of my time Sometimes the princess does the rescuing. I'm not even a huge fan of the delivery Sometimes the princess I it's the rescuing. It's sad because that voice actor is really really good But he is not good in this And yeah, so nothing is good for this.  Hey, you remember this bit? Remember how luke tied himself up I don't What when did that happen? That is like this Like I don't think that happened either Oh, I guess that happened Wait, what? Thanks for rewriting history Like that's worse though. You guys remember this Just like I remember from the movie I don't even know what I don't like what Disney thanks for destroying star wars. Why do you hate? Why is now I never want? I never want to watch anything that has disney's name on it again because of what they've done to star wars Why do they have to ruin shit? Why do you buy things you hate? She was great without ruining all of the guy cat. Why'd you have to make it so the guy? Great, they didn't need to have a hole in that point.  For a character who was already good guy walkers. Do you remember that scene? It's like great like everybody's doing something proactive She comes up with an idea and it puts them into a position where they nearly all die, but they get out of it As opposed to them nearly all dying all of them are doing things and do you remember like um What's the line back and forth between her and han where she's like um You're he says something like you're welcome.  What are you doing? And I don't get it. Are they doing like she's like ray. She's bored of being rescued It's just annoying.  I do nothing. Where'd she go?  Oh, yeah, 6.2k to 8.3k. So yeah, I think this was the first because I think there were some good ones at least to my knowledge Uh, because people in the comments were saying that this is the first one.  Why are you tearing down luke skywalker another top color? This is not how I remember luke. It's like Doesn't that feel familiar?   It's it's violence and then he's like who are you? It's like we haven't met yet. I guess Disney stop But yeah, that's uh that thing exists and I guess that there you go because I think a lot of people wanted us to see it and What do you think our world is now slightly worse because of marketing this too? Like are they they're really trying to get girls into something that girls have always been able to get into Like what market are they trying to capture here with this stuff? I don't know like I said if there was like Four visions of this and like I said like I said it was called han solo the rescue luke skywalker the rescue And for some reason it would glorify that character while making the rest of them look like they didn't do much in the scene Then I would just be confused about the point of all of it, but i'm pretty sure this is this they're only doing this for lea People are putting a mouse and fire emojis It's like they're really upset that for the most part star wars fans are male like they really don't like that Like sorry that we just really like it. I don't know what to tell you. It's a problem Like that's not a good thing. That's that's not an acceptable thing that guys can't have good things. I guess Yeah, well, you know why they had fan chases that mostly men are fans So why there's just there's male characters in it being smart and clever and proactive and strong kind of that And that's why you have the gray and then you have annihilation the inferior female version of the gray Like seriously everyone in the chat who thinks annihilation is good first off. You're wrong second watch The gray because every top comment is now going to be about how you're wrong about annihilation They i'm sorry annihilation is one of the worst movies i've ever seen We have to make that video at some point so that we can actually we see now I I really wish we were recording when we watched that because the amount of times that we just burst out laughing Yeah, was Other than the bare scene where we were like What movie is oh, yeah The bare scene was the one part where it was like is this a good movie. Why what is this doing here? Just go on youtube and watch the bare scene Yeah, that's actually what I would recommend unless you want a really good laugh in which case Annihilation is really funny unintentionally um But yeah, we're gonna do something about annihilation one day same for arrival. Wait, that's happening Whenever I think I think jay is still setting up his podcast and once he does we'll probably be able to do that But you're you're pumped for that right? Well Oh, yeah It'll be a second debate because the major lee one counts now in EFAP history, maybe I guess that was sort of a debate I mean, it's the only because all the other debates have taken place either on wolf's channel or Not recorded So that was the first EFAP one. I think because we've disagreed but we've never had like a debate really have we What did did our debate with uh, I hate everything take place before or after the not so great debate after But didn't leave before EFAP, but that was offline You know, I was saying like we haven't had we haven't had one of them on EFAP, I guess We're gonna do something about annihilation one day. This is a stressful statement I don't know what would be a funnier Prospect the fact that we use the not so great debate as a warm-up for I hate everything or the fact that we went from I hate every two like let's just get this random dude um Just right was after that, right? Was the third one. Uh, oh, yeah, just right was definitely after both of those. Oh, I guess snowman gaming counts is a debate, right? I wasn't really watching the debate though. Not really. No, not really But it was kind of like the just right conversation just not It was like a weird grape. It was a weird grape. Yeah, I agree It was definitely a weird grape, but I don't think it was like a debate.  I don't He was hung up about a lot of things, but I I still can't believe the moment where like we both kind of realized. Oh my god. He's crying He's crying over the last jedi. You're one of a He was on the verge of tears. You could tell I was like, man, that's a pretty sure he actually did like Have like that choking sound you make when you're trying to bite back a sub Yeah, that's like what? Well, like yeah, because you could tell though that we were talking to somebody star wars was intrinsic to their heart like I can't remember if we got out of him if he actually disliked any of the movies and a cj I don't know if you've seen that video. So um, I don't know if you're confused about all this But we me and wolf talked to slash debated a guy random dude about tlj at one point and like We weren't exactly I wouldn't describe any of us as heated or um angry Well, maybe me because he was like Like he for for context, um He came to me for three days in a row basically demanding that I would debate him and then eventually that turned into demanding that both me and mauler debate him And I woke up one morning at like five or six in the morning And my phone was blown up with messages from him demanding a debate And he wouldn't stop message like I went to class and he was messaging me while I was trying to do my work on my computer and I was like, oh my god.  So I was pretty I was very mad already so People criticized me on that for being a little too Uh, I guess in sin and yeah, sure.  Yeah, it was tough man. Oh wow. It was amazing That was tough to watch but like at one point to give you an idea of like I guess his mindset he was like shocked to find out that me and wolf wouldn't be buying the last Jedi on blu-ray We were like, why would you do that and he was like star wars and it's like I think you even had a line that's something to the effect of um, that just informs this entire argument Yeah, it's the Star Wars was an amazing story that managed to sell toys and become a label or franchise And now that like label is selling things that are just shit And he also pronounced asking wrong. So he would constantly say I am axing you What do you think of the fanatical star wars? What was it?  Yeah, disney fanatical star wars universe.  He was being fanatical for disney star wars, which is odd It's funny.  It's somebody else A film that you like Jesus So did this take place, uh, live or was it someone? Yeah, it's actually Oh, yeah, yeah If you just look up at the not so great debate And it'll it'll be there Good times good history, but yeah when we get the arrival one done that'll be like, uh We've had a couple of debates at that point. I'll have to see oh, I see why that happens Yeah, and it looks like our our debate with uh, just right didn't really stick because he made his objective subjective video Sorry, yeah It's like oh It's terrible. I was just thinking like A couple days before he made that video like, you know, maybe I'll go back and I'll just write videos because I'll say there were quite a few videos before he went insane That I genuinely liked like his rocky video is really great I still think that he has some of the best hobbit videos on youtube Like when he makes a good video, he genuinely makes a really good video The thing that made me unsubscribe from him is his just lack of Um consistency and his hypocrisy so And then he made that video and it's like oh, well, you're still crazy. Got it.  I would hope so. You know what I hope I hope that in the next presidential election people just write in blessed pikeman The contact fox is like are you running for president? He's like It looks like um, it looks like elita the movie it wins Let's see weekend box office results elita barely wins battle with 34.3 million on historically weak weekend Oh Is there anything else that's come out this weekend? I can't remember if it's competing with anything like did it lose to something Something unlikely like some crappy comedy or something I don't know And I'm pretty certain elita is not gonna be good But it was marketed a little bit. I saw a trailer for elita like almost 19 times It started to get really annoying. I thought if it's leading Uh slowest president's day weekend at the box office in almost 20 years There's ways to go to make up as costly budget I was gonna say the budget of it must be through the roof Especially the marketing budget Like it was everywhere. I saw it literally in every form of marketing it popped up and um If any are said he liked elita really? Oh Am I going to be pleasantly surprised by this movie? Well, I I've heard a lot of people pleasantly surprised Yeah YMS said that he thought it was all right Uh, the action was good, but the plot was meh. I think that's what he said That's why I haven't I haven't read the manga.  I believe he did. Yeah. Oh, yeah.  I believe fallout Wasn't that bad? It wasn't bad. It wasn't what yeah, it was not bad at all. It was amazing This is I believe that's wolf's pick for film of 2018, right? Yeah, because there's only like five good films in 2018 Yeah, we need to that's something that's happening We're gonna there's a 40 minute review of mission impossible fallout We'll probably have a guest on we'll watch it and then watch that Because uh, I'm perfectly fine with watching that movie again. That movie was yeah I need to see it at first time. Oh, you'll you'll be happy with it.  So that was my first one And it was good critical and I really liked it I haven't seen any since like the first two but years and years ago. Oh, you gave four out of five Oh, there you go Watch them if you gave four out of five, then that's the confirmation for wolf that he'll probably like a liter So jar said it had a good first half and a mess second half I don't know. I I I thought it was gonna be bad, but yeah, that sounds like it's at least passable Which is probably I I guess I'll tell everyone what it was like Next that's from efap All right Oh, and you know, I hasn't read the manga. So that's probably manga I gotta say manga otherwise people get me I haven't read the Jenga people people care way too much about their chinese cartoons Yeah, just Everyone's reading their sudoku So, um The person looks like scale bound has been resurrected as a nintendo. So my god, how long have we been going for scale to already hour and a half All right, let's get to it. All right. So our subject for today. There's two possible videos I found an extra one that I saw the beginning of and I just I want to see what happens when rags and wolf get exposed to it The second one is something that I've seen and cj seen a lot of it as well. I think Uh Mark brown who is if you did not know the foundation along with h bomb a guy for gadelb You'll notice what I've copied from them as parody when you see it But mark brown I got recommended him about a year before I started making review videos From a friend who was like he's like the best reviewer on the site I was like, okay, I checked him out and I remember watching the video and being like I fucking didn't learn a thing And it's like what do you mean? It's like what did he even say and he was like Mark brown would self proclaim to run a game Game-making tutorial channel. I suppose Now a lot of people are gonna like him and that is absolutely fair. I think that there's a lot to like about his channel He's aesthetically pleasing. He's a great little editor and graphics designer In fact, I would possibly pay him to edit some of my videos because I'd be like man. These are some slick graphics um Our issue with with with his work is less to do with the presentation And he's probably gonna be the best person we cover on efap so far outside of sarah z She's probably got the crown right now We we didn't I don't think it was public. I think it was just us in a call I was playing divinity at the time. I remember but we we went over his video about cuphead enemies That was and it was really frustrating that wolf's podcast Was it I think so. Yeah Because it was us and someone else it was like was smiler there uh possibly Well fringy no Could have just been us. I think it might have just been us three. I don't remember which episode My podcast that was yeah, it was definitely the cuphead one and basically it was The title of the video was how cuphead bosses Kill you I think or try to kill you And he basically just says that they attack you and you should avoid the attacks and they run in patterns And it's like you could apply it to literally anything ever and it's the well I mean we'll we'll check out Uh two videos from him at most more than likely this may be a shorter efap But that was another thing I should have mentioned the reason this efap is happening So closely after the previous one Is because uh, I won't be able to do one for about a week plus Uh post wednesday, so there'll be a bit of a gap before the one after this But you guys get a double one plenty of memes and then the other one was Not memes but had uh requested guests, you know, so it's like a double feature of things Someone said the one that we covered mark brown on is the one where we also covered downward thrust saying that gta 5 was failing Oh, yeah, oh god Yeah, gta 5 did it fail. Yeah for anybody who doesn't know the cj included Down with thrust made a video called gta 5 did it fail Now if you're on a way successful game Not clickbait on sexual it's I don't know. I think that was our like initial take. We were like, how could you possibly think this game failed? I'm confused that he had to like, uh, he had to like respond in his comments and then make a video after explaining himself Uh, it's obviously clickbait. But anyway, let us check out a video from mark brown This one's called following the little dotted line game makers toolkit.  It sounds kind of arborist, isn't it? I hate it. It's like he's I thought he was doing like a bit for a second He sounds like he has a cold. This is my name Game makers toolkit I'll be trying to nail my impression of him for in the next gdelp. It's you have to keep the voice The first thing I did when I emerged from vault 111 in fallout 4 was deactivate the main quest. Okay And whenever someone gives me a mission those raiders that killed mary, they took a locket So if you could get it back Check doors. Mm-hmm. I deactivate that too Okay I'm doing this slightly mad thing because I had just been playing the witcher thrill and felt that the game's helpful Handholding quest information like the commands on the side of the screen the marker on the mini map and the magic gps trail To my next location was kind of spoiling the experience You know, you can turn all those off, right? He's going to mention that later, but the reason he doesn't mention it yet is because he's running a narrative here And it would spoil it You can literally go into the options menu and turn all of that Is he maker's toolkit? Like take this chap with the funny hairdo. He's given me some directions to my next quest point and he says Notice more pond near the village Path leads off from it. Follow that till you come across a lone rock Walk around that into the woods. Oh, someone said that you just do a tunnel random pause He does do them But mark knows how to do them and he knows how to Internate he knows how to speak Mark brown is the one that down with thrust is a bad clone of um I have a feeling mark brown is the one the style is crap with the short videos that cover one specific subject of flash random games on screen that um Have words that flash onto the screen when he says them like Fucking one of the ones the cerebral gaming or whatever I said, so the cerebellum gaming You just put it on the screen because it's just like that makes it more impactful But um, he does do pauses and he does do that and he does have random games Okay, got it pond boulder cart. I'm on it. Just want to let everyone know Um mark brown also made a video called the secret of mario's jump. That's that's spoilers Just so you know what kind of person they'll know all about that after this one Walk around that into the woods. Find the old cart. You're there Okay, got it pond boulder cart. I'm on it But as soon as we leave the conversation a dotted line appears on my mini map My god, just turn it off. Yeah, and I guess I have to find a large stone near the pond I had god dammit Geralt. I was just about to say that the quests in this game are often exciting Geralt's name. Yeah, that's awful He's already I'm sorry. He's already lost me. Hey, man You have to watch the whole video before you can judge it. That's what they say One of my favorite games man. I mean all you literally just go into the options menu and turn it off. He does Therefore, he's gonna mention it at the end. I don't know why he keeps it so far away from this bit It's confusing, but it's a part of his like the way he's going to introduce all this End up here, and I guess I have to find a large stone near the pond I had god dammit Geralt. I was just about to say that the quests in this game are often exciting and funny and thoughtful But getting to them just has you blindly stumbling from waypoint to waypoint. How are you blindly stumbling at the game? It's telling you where to go. It's not blind if you're actually going directly to the objective.  That is the yeah, that is the opposite of blindly. You're following a trail a road You're going to you have a clear destination. You're going towards that destination There's like does he think that most people get up in the morning to go to work? And they just blindly stumble around the city until they find where they work I think what he should have if he was aiming to to try and explain it as a like You're following breadcrumbs. You're not looking at anything. That wouldn't be blind Um, I think he's trying to say like autopilot like you're not paying attention You're just following a line, but that wouldn't be blindly stuff. I don't know why I said blindly stumbling. Yeah, that's very It's in this game are often exciting and funny and thoughtful, but getting to them Just has you blindly stumbling from way point to way in chat someone said I'll try stumbling.  It's weird, right? So the idea is look at this He's got the he's got a disabled here. Yeah And it disables the entire hood And you can do both you can go You know you can travel to main objectives or second objectives and then also wander off the beaten path and discover new things I mean you can even if you want like certain things. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of things Individually disable about the or you can disable Yeah, no, he like I said, he does he does show it eventually which is weird But the other thing is that It's like he's just saying Us as players are staring so closely at that dotted line that we're not taking in the environment and I'm like May who I if I if I don't know how you guys do it, right? But for me, I'd be like I look at the minimap and I'm like straightforward Okay, straightforward eyes back to the center and just walk across like keep moving and looking around Yeah, I would constantly be looking around and then once a while maybe look back at the minimap like am I still going the right way? Yeah, cool. Okay. Oh, yeah every once in a while my eyes will glance at the minimap, but how many people are just staring at the minimap Yeah, I'm always staring at the surroundings like I'm back when my twitter still existed Um I mean I would post images from the witcher three all the time because I would wander around like the forest and mountains and Shit, and I just find points of the game that look gorgeous and I would screenshot it Mark, what are you doing strange? He wants to make a point about waypoints and I just like this setup. I'm like, but but but Just has you blindly stumbling from waypoint to waypoint Not fully taking in this incredible world that cd project red has established It's so hard to be truly immersed in a world like this when you spend most of your time Operating how is it hard to be immersed in this world?  All right, so now he's off witcher three. He's off witcher three We could concentrate that it's all good games with non-linear levels and big open worlds didn't used to be like this It's hard to believe there was once a time before floating arrows and minimaps But go back and play deus x and when paul denton says he I'm sorry the soundtrack This is so Soundtrack that he's playing over it. He's playing the Skellige song Is it really? Oh, it might be part of the unreleased tracks then. Oh, yeah, I got it on. I I've got on my computer because I Oh, I because I really know the the bass soundtrack really well, but I haven't heard this one because I Would you have a song it is he would have chosen it right and it's just it's setting a tone right now No, no, this is the art. No, this is the fallout 4 Um the fallout 4 uh rebuild renew is I knew it wasn't from the witch held renew. That's what this is So it's like this is something from the witcher three. It's fallout 4 Yeah, I'm all in favor of using a suitable soundtrack for what you're talking about What my criticism here is like dude, you're talking about a dotted line. You're like Like someone's died Yeah, it is it is very frozen sad, you know mini maps But go back and play deus x and when paul denton says he has a map for you I think I confused because this part here is similar to the and skellig part of the the unskelling Oh, you mean uh the fields of art skellig. Have you ever heard that? No, no, there's an and skellig and there's a fields of art skellig. There's two Music okay I'm not I can't think of the And when paul denton says he has a map for you He just means you now have an aerial photo in your notes and you'll have to figure out where you are Where your objective is and where to go by observing and investigating similarly And we know how that's always very fun in video games definitely doesn't make people frustrated Yeah, nobody gets lost or frustrated by not being able to get to what they want to do nobody on this planet Has a nine to five job And needs to take advantage of all the small time they have to play video games It can't be asked to fucking look around everywhere Yeah, when people That's the thing like when you're listening to that guy's instructions Like that's really like the one time it doesn't happen very often in the game That a character will give you specific instructions generally they'll be like, yeah, it's over here or oh I'll mark it on your map or something like that or when characters in a video game Like in the game tell your character where to go You know you go to this thing and turn left is like it's still extremely ambiguous And you don't really know especially if you're looking for like a specific item or a specific person And it's just sort of assumed that you know where they would be when there's no way you could figure it out Like if you went through video games with this mindset, yeah, sometimes it'll work But a lot of the times it will just not be possible It'll be frustrating and you will be stumbling around until you find what you will be blindly stumbling in that case Um, yeah, that's the problem is that this is a very one-sided argument right now Why do you think the dotted lines became a thing?   It doesn't matter. It's not presented as if it's just how he feels He keeps using words like we don't get immersed in this. It's like you don't I'm so sorry that you had trouble getting immersed in one of the most immersive games ever made. I'm sorry, man Elma is not a horror game So in your notes and you have to figure out where you are where your objective is and where sorry this music is Where you are where your objective is and where to go by observing and investigating Similarly the maps in the original thief were incomplete sketches covered in doodles and notes And then there's morrowind. You've got a map, but you get it. He's giving you examples of games where they're not as hand-holding Okay, just in case you weren't getting it Games that aged very well You've got a map, but it only shows you places you've been so if you need to get somewhere new You need to ask someone for directions or consult your journal or look at a signpost You actually have to be a part of the world and become immersed in the landscape Instead of simply following a trail of breadcrumbs You make your own way through vaard and fell and often end up finding secrets and surprises along the way That's called being lost.   You're like, I want to know where he is Yeah, I think it Like does he understand that that would require Like us taking out an actual like notepad And like the player doing that is like go here then go here Because you're not going to commit all this to memory first off That's unlikely like it's called it's often why when you press tab or you go to the menu in a game The quest tab is journal As if this is all stuff that you've been writing down like this is information you need to retain so you keep it handy All of these markers and these quest lines They're giving you as the player the information that the character in the game would have they're conveying that to you It's that um the scenario he's advocating for exists and it's is valid There's a guy out there who says like I'd rather if I didn't have the directions.    What is this person wearing? What's their name? Where did I go? What were the directions again? I forget What if you really don't want Or go ahead, sorry It's that's the thing when people when players are few things take players out of immersion Then when they're frustrated That is probably the number one thing that tapes that takes players out of a game Is when they get frustrated because the game isn't giving them the information they need And if you really don't want those quest markers a lot of games you can either if it there's not already an option to disable them You can like probably go into the games code and mod it or something A lot of games have like no HUD mods Yeah, a lot of hot buttons like again like the Witcher 3 one button disables Disables the head. I'd use it for screenshots I'm give me a second sign me out of my youtube I don't know why That's very strange. Yeah, I've signed back in. I'm just like Hopefully that happens every once in a while The stream's still up at least. Yeah, which is the the good thing. I was confused in there.  It's just like there's no definitive take on like Oh, wait, they're all saying f now unless that's a joke guys.  I'm watching the stream. It's still up All right, good. Yeah, I'm just saying f because you were signed out Yeah, still alive written baller long man yeah Again, it's not like it's hugely disagreeable. What he has said it's just too um It's the idea is as if there's like I said he knows for a fact that you can turn those off in the Witcher He's not going to tell us that yet because he's making his point Again for me. I'm just like what are you why are you doing it this way? Following a trail of breadcrumbs you make your own way through vaudean fett. I think you can turn them off in dark souls, can't you? Uh You just ignore them like a real man. Is it are there even Is it hand-holding elements in dark souls? Is it even is there even died lines and stuff like I don't think there is But yeah, you can turn on the hold out there I believe you can like literally take it off all permanently through um, at least any files I don't know if you can do it through the actual main menu I don't think it has any objective markers. Does it you just you are literally More about like the health bar the man. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah And become immersed in the landscape instead of simply following a trail of breadcrumbs You make your own way through vaudean fell and often end up finding secrets and surprises along the way What a shame that you can't get immersed in a world because there's a few games on a map I feel like this depends on what kind of what the main focus of the game is Um, I mean if it is mainly quest oriented and you're going from one place to another then fine But if it's something a bit more Um, I guess like open form like skyrim where you're supposed to wander around Maybe he has a point Well, as long as it's optional. I think that there's no problem because yeah, exactly Yeah, because then you get the players who don't want to wander around then the players who do Here's a recent example. I was playing resident evil 2 which is an okay game and nothing more I'm sorry people have such low standards But I was playing around. I was doing leon is like, all right. Let's go through again All right here. We're doing all the stuff doing the things betroy. Hey, it's for its third person resident evil 7 Except not scary. Okay.  And I was like, well This is fun. Man. This really pulls me out of the game Awesome. I love no quest markers the complication about talking about immersion because it's uh I mean, you guys would agree it's entirely subjective, right the idea of Can't more and again use the map. It's um pretty much said, uh, it wasn't on the map. It's not on the map You know a good example that's pretty recent is metro exodus because it has like open world zones But you don't have a dotted line You just have a map that you can whip out and it'll show your player as a little arrow actually and because What was that? Oh, well Well, uh, the way it pulls up It's like you see your character's hands and he's holding the map and you can see a bit of the background From behind the map and when you turn it has the arrow turn on the map too. So you know where you're going So no dotted lines, no waypoint markers, but you know where to go um my suggestion which which is someone said in chat someone with bat in the name I've forgotten enough but um A dead space with the it's a choice. It's a very clean line And you can cycle what you want if it's like do you want to go to the save station? Upgrade station. It'll just take you to the nearest one. It's the most like look if you want it. It's there.  Do you use the waypoint and the waypoint is like that's the proper way you go I'm going to check the not proper way first because I just want to see if there's loot Yeah, because you want to see what loot's over there So, you don't want to accidentally move on and then oh, well, I guess I got to replay the whole game Yeah, I leveled the dead door dead space waypoint system and if mark brown was like, yeah, but it Kind of takes you out of the immersive element because it's telling you where to go and I'm like, yeah, but optional bra Option a few games if you walk to the yes salty. I know if you walk to the door. Yeah, it's finding out which ones there are Yeah, it's like yes. Yeah, no wonder. Yeah.  You've walked up to it rags. We can't insult our audiences I'm curious. Well, I'm sorry if he says something retarded No, the game's easy. Well, the game's like unfortunately too easy Will the top comment be about wolf's comments on annihilation of rags as comments on Resonable too. I'm sorry people really love this.  I thought it was revolutionary.  What's that quote from dv jones from the second movie?  Bill Nye man. He needs more work. Bill Nye is fantastic Yeah, too bad they ruined that character in the third Yeah, don't watch the third one just to save your image of dv jones Don't even watch the second one so that you don't have to be disappointed by the time you reach the third Wait, someone said you both want waypoints and no HUD I don't want no HUD I mean, I'm okay with it depends on the game because dead space doesn't have a HUD and I love that Also, technically really like a lot of games that have HUDs. So thinking about it dead space probably has One obvious from what my favorite HUD just the fact that it's yeah Yeah, dead space has like one of the best HUD systems I've ever seen in a game because it's all completely natural I like shows your health are on your back And there's like all lore reasons for why your HUD is like that. Yeah, I'm not against a HUD I'm not against it. I just uh, I do appreciate a little like I mean, I honestly feel like some people like kind of overblow Games that don't have HUDs like they hype them up better than they are We will read the super chat at the end. I just like the back-to-back ones here RE2 is a masterpiece rags. We just can't play video games and the next one. It's okay rags I just spies the car Resident Evil 2 is not difficult at all and I'm breezing through it without any problems. It's not difficult This is one part.  So They're saying play hard core you scrub Oh Yeah, going into the game. I should have known how difficult the game was going to be I should have used the spider powers of telling the future Oh, uh, and someone suggested a shower the colossus. That's uh, it's quite nice You lift up your sword and it reflects the light from the sun to where you need to go next Um, sort of in universe reasons slash games and yeah, they said uh with that break immersion You'd have to ask mark brown. I think that he's okay with optional systems We'll have to see what he says because we're getting there. Well, this is our second pause So think of it as the third segment along the way A few games are still carrying that torch Science-based survival sim me as mutter for example offers you a map which is pieced together from yeah That's kind of like what the map was from metro exodus And yeah, and there's the thing for me is like I'm like, oh, that's really cool But then some guy could make a video where it's like games are getting too obsessed with making every detail vague And giving you barely anything to work with in terms of making your way And I just want to get to my goals. I want to complete. You know, someone could be making that video I'd be like, yeah, but But earlier on didn't mark brown here to decriticize the fact that maps only highlight where you've been to Well, the thing is I just find it interesting that there's clearly a dotted line right there, but I wonder if I think you say this is a good thing He said you don't get any information other than the the the things you've seen and it's reprinted onto the map but Could that not just be the same thing but with extra steps? Yeah, that's the same. Yeah, that's the same thing When your character gains information it appears on your HUD or in your journal um I suppose you had to explore it the first time at the very least and maybe he'd argue that that way you saw the environment at that point Yeah, but if he's getting directions from somebody the whole point is that you haven't like been there before Yeah, and there's there's still objective markers on the map, aren't there? I would imagine so but we'll see what he says. Yeah. Yeah me as Marta for example Offers you a map which is pieced together before we go on I want to ask Because Well, this will be a quick thing because it's something I saw in the chat and I haven't played resident evil 2 so rags would know um If you Are you able to change the difficulty or is it one of those games? I don't know I would have to start a whole new game. I haven't really checked because someone pointed out something in the chat Hold on. I gotta scroll up to see it. Um That we were just talking about how In the options menu we can literally turn off the HUD for the witcher 3 which makes mark brown's argument completely invalid um But if you're able to bump up the difficulty for resident evil 2, why don't you do that? I didn't know I had I didn't even check I might Okay, I don't know anything about the game.  No, wait, jj Big there's you a map which is pieced together from places You've been and scraps of paper you find but it refuses to show you your current position Unless you get to a good vantage point and triangulate your location by pointing to two known structures Oh, there you go. That's a bit more complicated than it just telling you I guess But this is the problem. He's scaling us. He's like saying you've got this then this then over here There's this and over here is this and I guess he's not going to say which one's the correct answer Just that these things are Well, weenies, sorry And scraps of paper you find but it refuses to show you your current position unless you get to a good vantage point And triangulate your location by pointing to two known structures or weenies Which as we know every map in video games and every set of directions in video games is accurate and precise enough for you To consistently be able to do that not only that how many people would find that so fucking annoying That sounds really frustrating that sounds really tedious Like i'm trying to be honest here like I could see myself having fun if I got myself nice and immersed but when you're like Not in the mood for that shit if you don't I mean you'd be like I would play something else I was like I'd like to go I just tell me where the thing is and I could go and experience the story or Do the combat there or get the go have the quest progress I don't want the getting to the things part to be like the tedious boring Oh, I spent half my time trying to get to the stuff that I need to do.  Yeah, kind of reminiscing Talking about like a hardcore survival exploration game Yeah, like there's no there's no like in like in daisy, right?  He has to be all right I'm here and the road splits off this way. I have to go this way if I want to get here I'll go that way I mean it does add a little it does add something to it But there is a level of tediousness and there is a level of frustration that comes with oh, I I didn't read the map right now I got to go all the way back and I can't just reload my game I have to you know, it takes a mince amount of time to correct a potential mistake I guess it would depend on how it's done because I mean, I'm sure that complicated A more complicated map system like the triangulation method He was just showing could work if it was implemented well like I've been playing Kingdom come deliverance lately and it's got a really super complicated Well compared to other games at least a sword fighting system But it's implemented really well. Is the poor is the poor screen showed you guys is the wrist, right? His wrist I was gonna say It looks like his fingers are melting through the paper It looks a little Something a little wrong here But yeah, it really depends on the execution of the method I mean on paper the whole triangulation method seems really annoying to me I'd rather just have like a fog over the map and then I get to explore Rather than have to do a big complicated process, but I don't know. I've never played this game. So I don't know how it works Vito said this is like Saying having to keep track of a year in meter in scum is hugely rewarding Most of us do not find that interesting Like yeah, you can make the argument you can go as far as you want, right? You can be like you have Exhaustion meters temperature meters and Food and energy meters illness percentage likelihood and That was like more and more things to take care of and you could be like that's not the same as Finding your way through a fucking place and I'd be like, yeah, but this is the tedium Aspect people find these things tedious Some people do when you have to be careful to find the right balance as we just said pretty much Someone in the chat said I read a map. I broke my wrist I'm curious what his conclusion is gonna be because Seems like he's demonizing the dotted line, which I don't think is fair. You reach your destination But okay, those are arcane retro games and high concept indies What about modern triple a open worlders that feel the need to offer dynamically updated maps and helpful hints? We like that imagine imagine using shadow of mordor Open game That is hardly an open world Maps those are good. We like those keep doing those please It's like on one end of the spectrum You've got the one that has basically 10 versions of markers on screen something obstructive that nobody would deny Let's just say a hundred markers on screen In different ways and then the other end of the spectrum You've got literally zero in a in a map the size of a literal earth and you're told to go to a hatch In somewhere you'd be like, okay. I need a direction and they're like nope Immersion like both of those we can hopefully most if not everyone can agree that both of those are a terrible thing So it's like so where's the correct thing? It's like it's pretty hard to A Open worlders that feel the need to offer dynamically updated maps and helpful hints in the name of accessibility Well, how about more optional quests that shun such navigational aids and encourage devoted players to really engage with the world Like the treasure maps you find in games like red dead redemption. It's like the happy vision though He's like it'll encourage you to engage with the world.   I missed that What if it's a shitty map I just Maybe this is like, uh An argument for you know, like the journalists of cuphead like the idea that someone should be able to discern this And if they can't then maybe they should be playing video games All right, so This is a real world example here. I do a lot of hiking. I do a lot of uh trail Uh walking a lot of stuff like that and a lot of times we go to parks and things of that nature And we get the little brochure pamphlet leaflet maps they have of all the trails and stuff Some of them are really crap.  Are you suggesting you might end up stumbling blindly? Yes, oh I've heard that's bad. Yeah um short of Roman force that star citizen has planet-sized maps, but it also uses waypoints because it's not retarded Like okay Skyrim and assassin's creed black flag The idea with these is that you get a scrap of paper which directs you to some hidden booty The map might have a crude drawing of some landmass or a rock or a tree and that's about it They do that resident evil seven as well. You find the photos But these are like secondary like optional things for people to find. Yeah, like exactly Imagine if the main quests were delivered this way. Well, he's that's what he opened this way I believe he said like how about some more of these optional quests and then it's just like, what do you mean? Are you saying As a fix is that is that what you're saying? Like what does he like? What does he exactly say a stability? Well, how about more optional quests? Yes, he's just like how about more of these?  I don't know. I don't really know Well, let's go back to a previous example. He had in fallout four There's that farmer saying go get this locket that the raider stole from me If if you don't know on the map where the raider camp is You couldn't you might not find it for hours and hours later Yeah, he's suggesting that that's almost he actually does sort of say that's what's been happening to him on fallout Um, and he's suggesting that that's actually like a It's not that it's a bad because he's saying it's a good experience. It's like, you're not wrong It's a different experience Like I want to do a thing. I have to Kind of guess where that thing might be You have the two guys and you're like you got to wander around until you find that bandit camp And one of them is like sweet. I'll enjoy looking around in the map and when I find them I find them The other guy's like, can you just tell me where it is? You know, like So so subjective as to whether or not this is superior It's like you need both There's an event in um, there's an event in fallout 76 where like robots attack a location And you go to the location and kill the robots But you have to find out where they're coming from and there's like three possible places that they're going to So you have to check them all If you didn't have quest markers on each of those spots Then it would just it would be You'd have to randomly just find of all the locations on the map The one place where they might be coming from because they could be half the map away I'll be I will go for a little bit because Paper which directs you to some hidden booty the map might have a crude drawing of some landmass or a rock or a tree And that's about it You then need to scour the landscape and find the real world equivalent of this drawing You'll have to figure it out yourself with no hints no map markers What do you mean with no hints you have a map? Yeah, that is the hint.  I guess Yeah without more hints he should have said without more hints It's it's only one hint. It reminds me of totals Are you telling me that this landmass with the noose hanging from the tree is the hanging rock? Totals quote where he says common but not too common The delivery fucks it because it's supposed to be common but not too common The whole lack of being a human I just put map response theory Map response. Let's look at it through map lens guys no map markers. No hand holding They're fun because they encourage you to really study and explore the game's world And they also have a nice byproduct in that they delay the gratification of getting a reward Like finding keys to open lockers in yakuza or hitting goddess stones to unlock goddess chests in skyward sword Putting an extra step in before finding a reward makes it all the more sweet. That's so subjective There was a dotted line on that map as well Yeah Yeah, that's one thing But the idea is like you've got the key the key opens a door that opens the room that has a key in it That opens the box upstairs that opens up to a key. You'd be like, okay. Okay. You're fucking with me Or some guy goes no it delays the gratification That's one way of looking at it I guess It just means the game takes longer It's just delaying me more Step in before finding a reward makes it all the more sweeter Anyway, I always cherish these scraps of paper in games because they give me a chance to slow down Take in the environment and figure things out for myself The other way to encourage proper exploration is with Why do you have to say proper explanation? The proper exploration Proper that's one we haven't put in the list is it? We had Real actual What was the three? It was real actual and arguably arguably Because proper we'll have to put in now. What was the third one chats at least gonna remember it. I hope real genuine genuine if a door is locked It's it's locked. It doesn't real actual and genuine and proper.  The actual thing the genuine thing, you know Is he saying we're exploring games wrong? Apparently you get to genuinely properly legitimately explore when you do it this way Exploration is with small scavenger hunts that don't actually count as quests Sometimes they're that's actually the correct use of actually but they because that would be appropriate if it's true I'm just saying because like you can't use it.  It's clever But also there's an operating table and x-rays on the wall and kind of ruins it because It said clinic on the door. You're like the idea that you discern it from these things. It's like, but it's a clinic on the door Yeah, that's yeah, that's really clever what they did Putting all of these hospital themed items into a clinic That was really that was really clever changing screen and a scalpel in the locker Wow, see how playing in this fashion encourages you to read the world who just has a scalpel in their locker I think It's a failure on the player if there's things to read in the world and they choose to stare at the dotted line That's there to help if they need it Like man, you don't have to look at the dotted line. Okay It's there to help if you need it Does it take a lot of skill if you Like walk into a room and there's an operating table And a lot of medical themed instruments and lights and all this stuff around and you're like, oh This is this is a hospital Oh, is that really uh, is that a really does that take a lot of player skill to piece together really? Someone mentioned the the things in bio shocks for maybe pick up an audio diary and they'd be like, um I hid my stash in my room with a code number three three one three Then you go to a room that's locked and it's like, what's the code you go three three one three? It opens and you're like, okay they're like Is mark brown like hoping to get more stuff like that because i'm not against it. I just it's weird Glorify it to this degree the player for this Well, the dotted line is what he's playing which by the way bio shock has a dotted line Equivalent just you to read the world in a very different bilbo mappings organic way Anyway, inside the safe is a component which lets me open the door and behind that door is some goodies a key and a note Pointing me to a refrigerator which I find and open to get my prize a big load of bottle caps and a recipe for mylurk cakes Well, turns out the recipe is just an easter egg an inside joke of Bethesda I didn't care the real reward was a chance to engage my brain to study. What about the guy who did all that? Mark brown, I don't think there's a whole lot of brain engagement in your videos Seriously though, like I think I would have had his reaction personally I like the idea of going on a treasure hunt and then at the end is a joke I'd be like, oh, that's cool.  I'm like a recipe for my alert my alert cakes. Oh Okay, let's hope it defied like a weapon Oh, hooray Some people love finding easter eggs. That's that's what I'm saying He's portraying it like there's only the one result, but there's so many results from doing something like that Um, is he saying that he's got some money out of it. Is he saying that every quest should be like this? I don't know The problem with mark brown, you don't necessarily know what he's standing for Maybe he maybe he'll explain what was the chance to engage my brain to study the surroundings and to follow clues instead of breadcrumbs Um, so that's why you're just doing what notes do you do The note said go here. Go here.  I just remember this is the visual Yeah But it's true guys. I I loved snowman gaming's response to that like That's classic So that's why I'm wandering the wasteland in fallout 4 without waypoints and quest markers I want to be led by my own good luck. I'm not by a compass I want to find interesting notes and follow scavenger hunts, but using my own powers of investigation I want to see some interesting building over the horizon The waypoint never stopped you Designed for people to do that like this is insane. I know but have you guys ever had a waypoint in fallout because I play through all of three Uh, do you ever have a waypoint and go? You know what I'm just going to go look over here a sec because this looks kind of interesting Yeah, of course. I I know that I had to go specifically right to that waypoint right now I had no choice no matter what I'm suggesting is like I think that's what most players do They like oh that's where I gotta go from the line Oh mark some interesting building over the horizon Just go see what fun treasures or stories can be found inside And when I find a note that says found the mayor in the top last night Locked the door before the mrs. Found him I want to find the right room by finding a sign like this instead of just following I don't think you were looking it looked like you were checking everything Yeah, you would have checked everything anyway in that building. What's I get his point But what the mayor will be in the men's bathroom Clever Yeah, I don't know. I'm not exactly making much meaningful progress in the game mind you I've been playing fallout 4 for around 10 hours and finished exactly two quests the game. Nope. You're not supposed to do that See this is the thing like four hours for two quests I have no idea what he's done But like I wonder if it's just unsustainable like even he would be like, okay, I'm turning these markers back on Yeah, at what point are you just like I just want to find all the things and do the stuff and You know follow these quests and progress through these quests Have you guys got subtitles on for the video? No, because it's showing on mine because after he said that he said the game is not designed to be played And it cuts off. Oh, we'll we'll we'll check it out The game is not designed to be played The game simply isn't designed to be played this way like how you yeah, but let's talk about subtitles So you shouldn't really you should turn off subtitles, especially in the foreign film You should follow you should follow all the clues of what I was so curious we will go in with that So you should turn off those pesky subtitles Because that reminds me and in a devoted moviegoer will be able to find out what's happening in the movie He would turn off your subtitles just by paying attention to the other clues That reminds me of when the three of us were watching the mummy three and I didn't have subtitles So I had no idea what was happening No, that's because you weren't a devoted enough watch. It's supposed to infer it. Wolf in fear I inferred it by asking you guys what the Japanese people would say You were your dotted lines, sir The game simply isn't designed to be played this way like how you could also turn off all the quest helpers in the Witcher 3 But then some guy will say the patrol has been lost somewhere along the south shore of lake windommer And you soon realize there are no signposts and no place names on your map and you can't ask for directions So you try and find it yourself and you end up in a bandit camp and you run away and oh god Is that a bear? This has gone very wrong indeed. Oh, what that's just Yeah, that's just exploring that's exploring and finding things along the way. Why is it bad now? So I guess he's saying that there needs to be clues, but not too many clues Or not too much. So I think what you're saying is there need to be ways in a game to find Uh, where you need to go, but without the game actually telling you in the HUD I think is that what he's saying?   And I'd be like, I missed the signpost. Is that have I failed life? You missed the signpost. So now you have to redo hours of gameplay. Sorry Is that a bear? This has gone very wrong indeed But I am having fun perhaps in an ideal world games like this would be perfectly playable without map markers But you could turn them on if you get really lost or you just want to make some fast progress But for now at least so he's aware of that counter-argument, but it Squeaks in right there. That's it. All right At the end, I guess it would be cool to see a few more optional missions in games That don't show up on your map or your quest log and let you take a moment to really Okay, whatever soak the world in to get around through observation and investigation and not blind subservience But there's plenty of that There's loads of people who don't want to do that shit You know like I would be tedious and boring and I would hate having to do that It's like deduction Like it's something that people like the point and click as a genre There's people who do not want to play it because it's all about figuring a thing out like puzzle games Like some people don't want to play portal or cube Or any of the other ones because they literally like I just I don't fucking want to play a game that I'm just Stressfully figuring out what's essentially a mass puzzle and it's like Okay, you know like if I was if I was girl and I came up to a guy and he's like you need to find this and I would be I'd be there with my my book my notepad My thing of what you would sit and I'd be like all right Describe them to me and I write down what they look like what are their names Where are they last seen and they'd say a place is like oh like such and such Which one is that and I'd mark one which that one was And then I'd ask for a peasant for directions on the way over there somebody And I would have all these notes so that I would know where to go and what to do and everything like that I would put all this information and I'd fill that all out myself And I'd put it in I don't know say a journal that I could access at any time for usefulness Right and then I would take out the map that I already had of course I'd be like okay, and then I would take my map and I would mark on my map where it might be I might put a little dot or a little question mark and Then I would just trace all right if I want to get there I'd go down this road turn left there and that's da like all of this stuff would be things that I would do as my character You're not you you're just removing the tedium of doing all that yourself Wouldn't it become really tedious as well if you had to ask for directions at every village I'd just stop and ask people just like oh, hey, where's this? Yeah I think we can all agree that the conclusion is put in the options for these things. Yes I don't mind the options. Absolutely. Then we're done But to be like most games seem to just have the dotted line now Yeah, you can turn it off, but That's it Not blind subservience that little dotted line I was like as someone who was like I in like in search and rescue We had to learn how to orient here And we had to learn how to do map reading and I was on the the high school orienteering team for um What was it? ROTC so in another way malm I know my way around maps encompass And like it's an it's a process. It's an evolved process Like it's tough to learn how to do all that stuff when you're in a room But then when you actually go out into woods and you get out onto roads and you measure distances and you keep your bearing straight Like that could be a really difficult thing to do now add that on top of everything else You're already doing and a lot of people will despise having to do that And then he's like, yeah, well, you're not exploring it with your mind and stuff And they should be like, can you not I guess can you can you not? And yeah, I just it's just so odd that you use witcher 3 And and then just randomly throws in it's like, oh, yeah, you can turn it off, but uh What'll happen comment from lucy he said he sounds so smug when he said blind subservience And if anything he did the quest markers are in subservience to you So where is this around here, right? He said it would be cool to see a few more optional missions in games But don't show up on your map or your quest log and let you take a moment to really soak the world in to get around through Observation and investigation and not blind subservience.  It was um high school Marine Corps What was it blind subservience not be blind subservience to that little dotted line I'm just gonna make it up. I have it in there not subscribe This april fools video is going to be Filmed with somebody references. It'll be too hard to understand even for us Let's flip it. Let's flip it blind subservience to this peasants directions I mean Blind subservience to the clues on this map Blind subservience to a health bar just because you don't want your character to die What what if I told you that quest markers were descriptive not prescript Also, yes, there's a 30 seconds left. Is it time for a skill share plug? Uh, let's see what it is Hi guys, it's mark here. Thank you so much for watching the episode if you enjoyed it Please leave a comment. Why are you using fallout music with your background subscribe to the channel? Pitching in via patreon.  I'm telling you man. Well, I don't know Many of these kinds of guys. I don't get it. So yeah, what do you what do you think from that video if you For a second managed to scrub the cuphead one from existence What do you think I would be like why is I I don't I don't I'd be like what distance does this guy work at a 7-eleven or Is this like a hobby? He does telling me things that are Ambiguous or doesn't he have like some really absurdly large patreon? What did you hear what CJ just said? No He makes like $10,000 a month on patreon. Oh, right that disappoints the hell out of me It doesn't he only doesn't he only make like one video a month, too? I think it's two per month. Let me have a look 10,000 among Christ eight minutes Well, okay, so this was from I'm gonna go get a drink This video this video was made in november 17th 2015. So in fairness, this is for Well, three three and a half years old this video. So I'll speak on the situation back then but Okay, so in the last One month he's put out a 12 minute video 11 minute video 9 minute video 19 minute video Oh, that's so bad Good enough for this. That's that's not bad. No, uh, someone in the chat linked rhino milk coffee thermometer sticker on amazon.com From rhino wares. This is an actual thing. Wait Can I have the leg? Yeah, hold on. It sounds fascinating So if you need a thermometer sticker Rhino milk coffee is like a acute temp adhesive thermometer for milk coffee. Is is the make It's real Well, I mean, I don't think it's anything to do with us, but it's just it's rhino brand. I think it's rhino brand rhino wares It's a rhino milk coffee thermometer sticker How about that? Everyone get your own rhino milk thermometer I guess it's a sticker that it reacts to heat So depending on how many of the little boxes are like red or whatever it tells you how hot it is It rags, uh, psacich and uh, his friend on the podcast. They're covered, um Jonathan Macintosh's style's video Yeah, I haven't watched it yet I wonder how it goes compared to our coverage. That was the 30 fap. I think It'll fourth but early early that video was terrible Yeah, because we came out That didn't exist. Look legit was about a movie that just didn't happen um But yeah, so mark is Is interesting to me because like, you know in the in the grand scale of e-fap coverage. Where do you think he lands? From that from that video harmlessly useless. It wasn't that. Yeah, it's just benign really probably like one of the better ones then, right? It's like It's like people are actually posting rhino milk thermometer And so the only other video I ever wanted to show you from him is this one because you saw the cuphead one now CJ you haven't seen the cuphead one, right? I doubt it anyway.  Yeah, so this one's called the secret of mario's jump and other versatile verbs What do you think that means? A verb that can be used in multiple ways But What does that have to do with mario's jump? Um, because jump can mean a lot of different things um You could jump, you know, you could push yourself off the ground using your legs um, or You could jump a spot in line, which means to cut in front of cut in line, which is its own idiom Um, but that we're not going to go down that linguistic rabbit hole We could also have like a um like a like a hyperspace jump in in um in Science fiction or you enter hyperspace Hey, hey, he said I've seen this video and I don't know what it's about All right, we're gonna we're gonna check this out jumping is just a jumping is just a weird step Well jumping subjective Super mario is famous for his jump, but it wasn't always so great In his very first game donkey kong mario's leap was incredibly simple You could do one jump while standing still and another while running So right off the bat this kind of reminds me of like a gamer from mars video Do you like yeah I was going to say like everyone agree. Yeah. Yeah, I'm mostly fine with the way the language is using and the present Yeah, everything's fine and another while running you can't move in midair and the animation is the same Every single time you press the button when it comes to verbs, which are the actions that a player Are you comfortable with that? Why would you not just say actions Apparently it's not his terminology But I thought it was I thought this is what he calls it I thought he got it from someone else. I will I guess we'll see I'm assuming it's from this video. You thought that right. It's confusing. Anyway I just he put a comment he commented below the video saying this is where he got it from this Oh Well, anyway, it's just confusing. Yeah, no no like No, no, no no beef to mark brown But like when I first saw this I was like, how pretentious do you want to be calling the actions you take in a video game? verbs like Why'd you have to say that?  Let's run with it then this jump is pretty basic The standing jump, for example, is no more complicated. Oh and for those who are looking for references Versatile verbs is something that comes up in in gadelp Actually comes on screen. I say versatile verbs. It's an actual quote from this video. It's not even made up There you go.  For example is no more complicated than press a to do big But in more recent games like super mario 3d world the plumber's jump is way more interesting You can change the length height angle and landing zone You can transition in and out of different moves and spring off walls and bounce on kuba shells Far from press a to do b this one verb can lead to a Even able to do a few of those things for quite a while. Yeah, even um n64 mario Yeah, jumping on goomba shells. Can you do that before? perhaps A galaxy two which which one is this galaxy or galaxy two is he talking about either way, uh, maybe this one has the most Of all mario's Maybe press a to do b this one verb can lead to a massive number of different outcomes All right, mario's jump is just one example of what I call versatile verbs Which is where one action can have multiple. I just I can't i'm sorry That is the most pretentious thing i've ever heard in my life. Like it just I just smear because i'm like, what are you doing mark? Why'd you have to Versatile verbs. I will help you know that this verb is very versatile Okay, let me bring up my thesaurus.com and I'll say something And then I'll just remember every single possible large word. I can think of What was the variable verbs? What was the word we called on? Uh, the right opinion rags. Do you remember? It was the word that we said back to him and he was like, I used that word. We were like, yeah Yeah, um anodyne anodyne Even he was like, I don't know why I used that Wasn't it like something like perceptibly anodyne statements. Yeah, that was it that it was the most like what does that even mean? Which is where we're just stupid because we don't know we don't know words like jack sainte's narrative tripling Oh, and I said I want to hear that in your good delve voice Uh, versatile verbs has already been said in that one, but Deceptively anodyne has been written down and will be in the script for the next good delve. Like, how could it not be? Action can have multiple uses depending on how you perform it And these are a great starting point for action-orientated games Because as I hope to show you in this video, it means interesting gameplay full of tricky choices and player expression Can be derived from the most to make the game Right, so he's gonna actually explain the references here, but At this point He's just showing random games and I just it's just like my inspiration I just love Mark Brown for I'm like, thank you for just throwing random footage in the back I just like it looks like editing I guess Full of tricky choices and player expression can be derived from the most fundamental interactions with the game Plus they often make the game more satisfying and reduce the number of buttons that a game needs to have So on this episode of Allowing a button to do more things can reduce the amount of buttons required Just yeah, because instead of yeah, like by definition Yeah, they don't even it's like all right then I agree with that statement This episode of game makers talk it I'm going to look at a number of terrific games to find different ways to design versatile verbs. I would just say it like that Because verbs are driven by makes it sound smart Driven by buttons the fact that he just said verbs are driven by but you're like you already as an audience member like There's actions. Why do you just say actions? Why can't you just say action? It's useful to think of the different ways that a button can be used For example, what's the difference between pressing a button and holding it down? some games Not much in others like owl boy You're actually at a disadvantage if you hold the button because the hero's fire rate is slower than if you hammer the button In rapid succession. Okay. Okay. There's no choice to make But in mega man X you just gave us the choice.   All right. He's right. Okay. There's no choice to make There's a obviously a choice.  I feel like this would only be in what I mean like a little kid It's a lot of people argue. It's the most You stop firing. It's the most basic you can get about game development And therefore useful to people who are aspiring game developers and I'm just like Are they seven have they not played a video game? That's my question Any video I'm ever I feel like you could show this in primary school and it would be fine But any older than that and the kids would be like No, we already know all this Uh our white said dominant strategy something being less annoying is irrelevant.   Gonna get some of that witcher mill comedy. Also. Why would you do that? Your weird grow up have some respect for yourself. We'll have some respect. Are you really that from is that chat? That's that's a super chat Wolf do you want to perform some versatile verbs? You know I'm so confused but Someone come up with a funnier way to say versatile verbs because I used it in the previous one, but I gotta say it again now What can I say? been been rile Cubs that'll work been some rile curbs You let go of the button With this setup, we get an interesting tactical choice between doing a small amount of damage Immediately or doing a large amount of damage in the future. Oh my god. Yeah Are these videos for eight year old but immediately the graphic presentation though guys like it's it's sleek Or doing a large amount of damage in the future and risking getting hurt while the shot charges A more modern take on the charge shot is the cooked grenade You can throw a grenade immediately and it will bounce around a bit before exploding Or you can hold on to a grenade for a couple Hacked or in your hand Whoops this You guys following you guys able to follow us. Yeah, I think I I think I it might I think I get it For a bit for it for a little bit then he sounded like colossus brazy, but without any soul Hamish Johnson said yes, I have played a game Like yes, I have indeed. I have played a first person shooter before. Yeah. Well, I'm somewhat of a gamer myself Hello, hello gamers if you've cooked a grenade Whoops This time the decision is about risk versus reward. How far are you willing to the other one was about risk versus reward? He even said that he said that when you charge the shot, it leaves you open for attack That would be risk versus reward To push it and how well do you know the It's not an always invisible timer though of the grenade. I I can't think of the game I know that some game out there where when you cook the grenade, there's like four Little lines that show you exactly when it's going to explode in your hand in dirty bomb Fraggers ability was to throw a frag grenade and while he had the grenade in one hand his fingers would count In the other hand one two three, so that was a clever little thing Yeah In window of the grenade Counting your head in mario You can tap the button for a short hop or hold the button down for longer to give yourself more height But here's a different way to think about holding buttons in the game Here's a different way to think about holding down to fire your gun But the only way to repair your ship is to release that same button This means you have to make a choice between Offence and defense and you'll swing between the two throughout the battle When you're shooting you're terrified of getting killed and when you're healing You're anxious to get back into the fight giving the game a feisty back and forth feel Also in love trousers you need to let go of the throttle if you want to make sharp turn So you can pull off that sweet move where you whip around and blast away at the bogies on the tail So fake when he said sweet move Blast away It's like it really is like the hello fellow fellow gamers.  We're not saying he's um Hugely inaccurate here.  Okay Or how about in dark souls where your stamina meter restores more? By the way, he is the direct inspiration for me saying dark souls Dark souls. I say it like a million times in the video. It's just the way he says dark souls Dark souls dark souls where your family was this video made this one was 2017 february all right It restores more slowly if you're holding your shield up So to get your energy back sooner, you've got to drop your shield and put yourself at risk for a few seconds Love that the first sentence he said you lost all your souls Yeah, I'm just horrified the guy's not picking up his souls the first sentence he said confirmed the second sentence as in Stamina drains while you hold your shield up So you must put the shield down for your stamina to go back up.  Let's just assume it's zero souls and you just died there with nothing. Okay. Let's let's help the guy out You know, that's not what it was. Let's just help the guy out Sooner, you've got to drop your shield and put yourself at risk for a few seconds like it Anyone play Dark Souls here?  That's that's going in The cooked grenade Valiant hearts is the Dark Souls of Ori and the Blast I love you Mark Brown Let's just don't change Let's just apply things that have nothing to do but the point of this As you've probably noticed is he's just taking examples where you have one button and you can either press it Tap it multiple times or hold it for a long time and those things will do different things What's the secret? Keep that in mind sir.  It's not like it doesn't make sense as a sentence. It's just funny But I'm trying to push your car to its absolute limit And then letting go for a quick cooldown at the optimal time And again the whole like his first statement proves that the second is this it's the same statement as the second statement Do you know what I mean? If you listen to that again Someone said he's Jared if Jared was good at editing To release that same button to let your engine cool You spend the entire race nursing this button trying to push your in fact He says it three times the opening is You hold down a button to go fast And if you don't your car if you don't let go at the right time your car explodes If you listen to the tonal bloke level of him trying to actually put a motion into it You hold a button to boost your car forward, but hold it too long and your car will explode Oh explode Okay So you've got to release that same button to let your engine cool Okay, you spend the entire race nursing this button trying to push your car to its absolute limit And then letting go for a quick cooldown at the optimal time like around corners or in midair. Yep Okay That was a really weird pause. That's a total bloke pause that one All right, I want to make the video in 10 minutes Total bloke to your pause This is not a must not a bark problem or in midair A button can also be pressed more than once Oh really good. I didn't want to keep rebinding controllers all the time.  I love you around corners or in midair A button can also be that is a really long pause.  Yeah, the there'd be a couple examples, but um, yeah, let's jump to this one Second press So you've got moves like the double jump where you have to choose the perfect time to fire off that second leap Yep Throw in a few more midair jumps and you get the manic thrills of missplosion man Or how about the reload button in gears of war press it again when the line is in the right Spost on all your next shots It takes one of those super basic press a to do b type verbs and gives it this Is it? I know how you've defied it. Just use actions. I'm not convinced. We're not doing anything satisfying We're six minutes into this video and I have yet to hear what the secret to mario's jump is He's gonna get there on all your next shots It takes one of those super basic press a to do b type verbs and gives it this satisfying tactical bite and of course there are combos in action games. A simple punch can transition into a more powerful attack if you follow it up with two more jabs of the same button. Things get much more interesting, however, if you start adding in more buttons to your combos. Because verbs can take on whole new meanings when you combine them. Look at psychonauts.   I was gonna put this one for one in Gadel because I just thought it just fits in so perfectly to be like, you press a jump button and it attacks. Then you press another button and it makes you jump.  It's like, wow. This is like a tutorial. I'm just waiting so desperately for him to say something of any value. Someone said you can verb your noun adjective times to cause verb two. But perform it. What about adverbs though?  Oh, don't adverb city this. After jumping and you unleash a devastating palm bomb move. That's an example of using one verb directly after another within a specific timing window to transition into an entirely new move.  Who is this guy? Is he, he's like explaining this to like an infant in a crib. Hey man, have some respect for infants in crips, okay? They'd get this but well before seeing the video. They just need to play one game. Not like the previous example. We just need to get Jared's take on this video. I'm sure he'll have a better idea. Maybe he can speak to Mark Brown and like get him to speak simple. It's just like this video was like I'm being patronized too.  He clearly made this to explain video games to his mother. Someone said Mark Brown should put a disclaimer at the start of his video saying this video is only interesting if you've never played a game. Exactly, exactly. What if he told us that that was the point? What would you say? Congratulations.  Why would I ever watch a Mark Brown video ever? Oh I mean I was gonna say this will be the third one you've seen and I'm pretty sure this is gonna put you off the channel forever at this point. I'm pretty sure that the first time we covered him was because you wanted to and then afterward I said you're not allowed to choose videos anymore. Yes because here we are watching two more. What I'm saying, what I'll suggest to the chat, the Cuphead one is probably his worst video, not the presentation, not for accuracy, just for the entertainment value. It is a deadpan description of how enemies shoot things at you. It's just the most like why does this video exist? Bumluck says this is a video about space wizards intended for the show. Well somebody into K-Plate made the good point that he's explaining something so basic in such a basic way and yet he's calling actions verbs like he's using deliberately confusing terminology while trying to explain something so basic. This pretentious art-howzy thing of just taking something and trying to extrapolate it into the most complicated meaningful symbolic metaphorical thing that you possibly can.  So like the text of a book means the content of the book the text in relation to movies can be the visuals can be the scene the dialogue the anything I'm referring to what is in the movie the text you'd be like what are you doing oh you're one of those people yeah you're just like why why are you doing this why can't you just use words because when they actually like use a normal word to explain what they say you're like why didn't you just use that in the first place that they're like well that's I don't know it's like stuck I'm pretty sure he never refused as a critic I don't think someone could correct me on this but I don't think Mark Brown never referred to actions in games as verbs after this video because a lot of people in the comments were like love the video I'm not sure about calling things verbs though a bit weird a bit confusing bit what the fuck do an entirely new move it's a lot like the previous example but this time with two different buttons this sort of combination requires timing and a skillful understanding of how and when different verbs interlink shut the fuck up so what if you had a genre right do you think whenever mark brown opens up like the newspaper or whatever and he sees the new action adventure game that released from you know whatever video he's like it should be called right it should be called verb adventure game like the only people that are gonna get out anything out of this video are children or people have never played a video game before in their life yeah and yeah what so just calling them verbs it's just really confusing like they're gonna be so turned off by that I don't know what he thought it was helping I don't know if he thought maybe that it made it clearer I just think it makes you less what if what if a kid watch this stupid video and they went to their friends house and they were talking about video games and then they he was watching his friend play and he said do the verb do the verb and the kids like you know the when you press a button a verb happens and they're like you're not coming over to my house ever again okay so I'm I actually gotta get going here so all righty well well yeah well I wholeheartedly don't feel bad about not finishing this wonderful video I'm about to invent a lie as to why I have to leave too so good luck it's very useful yeah I will report to my as to my findings of Valita next time was there any you did cover a Metra Exodus right for it because I knew there was a super chat about it as well but I think you said oh oh uh I know that someone asked a couple times in the chat he didn't super chat and I don't think what my thoughts were of the Tolkien trailer I'm already put off by it because Tolkien is very specifically said that his experiences in World War one did not influence the Lord of the Rings and the entire trailer is literally just World War one with Lord of the Ring imagery yeah so I really feel like they're just completely getting it wrong and then on top of that it's like all right let's put a Nazgul in here let's put uh this fiery Balrog looking thing in here let's put Fellowship in one of the lines it seems like it's really trying to bait people who are fans of the Lord of the Rings while getting his life wrong and I find that really disrespectful so I'm really not excited for it at all yeah I saw the trailer and I was like yeah I really don't feel like they're going to give him the respect he deserves so that's my thought. Do you think a film could work for that and they're just not going to be able to nail it? I mean I don't know because they're going to have to tie it into writing because that's what he's most known for I don't know what information they have on his experiences in World War one and how they're all going to tie that in together I just can't think if this movie ever doing good I'm pretty certain it's going to be bad um well at least we got the TV show coming you're really excited about that aren't you shut up you like it's the thing that you've been waiting for you pre-ordered it I believe the TV show oh yeah yeah you know I'm real I'm really great grateful that they're going to make a show ruining the Lord of the Rings another show ruining the Witcher in another show ruining the Wheel of Time so it's great I'm just so glad to see all of my favorite fantasy franchise is just get raped well like because you know people don't care about the actual content you've still got like Pirate of the Caribbean hasn't been ruined alien predator terminator star wars all these things are still intact so I don't know what you're really complaining about is like a whole thing mass fact no no no no no no we were there for when they weren't shit yeah we were we hashtag we were there but we were there before everything was ruined well actually no I wasn't there before alien those were ruined pretty early on yeah that's true oh ghostbusters yeah that might be fixed by the third one though we will see you will see maybe I don't know also rendering the Aquaman video now this is the longest video I've ever made so I don't know if there's going to and it has the most editing I've ever done for a single video so I have no idea how Vegas is going to react to this but with video and that was two hours two hours and 35 minutes good for you rags well anyway if if possible the Aquaman video might be up tomorrow so yeah there you go and I will report as if to Alita is good bad or meh next time wonderful which by the way won't be for like a possible week and a half that's why we did the well that should give me enough time to try and convince my boss to actually give me the days that I request off instead of some random Monday there you go blesses all around yeah totally have a good day wolf doodle pip doodle doodly do everyone tata now they're going to use that line for you two rags we'll just have pip pip doodly do like running alongside each other in the next meme epic doodly do we'll never be yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo oh my god that's a good one oh good old Jared all right I'll see you guys do it all right um yeah I'm probably going to have to go after we finish this video well it's yeah I think well we'll probably do this video then superstars and then it'll probably be over uh you can stay for however long you wish to uh jay is said he'd happily jump in to try and uh fill the the dead wolf space um what he's going to jump in jump that's a versatile does he press a once or does he hold it down let's ask that's a voicidal vibe did jay doodly do did you hey did you you can ask CJ yeah did you press a once or did you hold the button down or did you double tap to jump in to jump into what into the chat now yeah to jump into wolf's place oh um I don't know I've just I I pressed the answer call button on discord yeah but did you hold it down or did you press it down or did you time it right I just pressed it hit it and then you waited within the window and then you hit it you committed to a verb right yeah yeah the verb was trying to put the grenade to get inside this room um I just I did like think about not answering for a while just so I could like be mysterious and then maybe you'd have to call me again and it's being like fashionably like by the way I have to speak a bit quietly because there are people sleeping but I'm okay you can fuck them all right well let's continue then uh the the link is wait wait wait we have to learn about simple transitions the link for jay is right that wait why is there any two people in this room now there's four uh oh this wolf is gone there's myself oh I just joined I just joined the one you just posted it's the same one all right I think I'm in is everyone in jay you in I'm in everything's going terrible I've been really enjoying contributing nothing of valley to the chat and I'm very happy to be contributing nothing to the stream yeah how have you found this video so far have you seen it you pressed a to bring you in we could double tap a to me thank you I mean if I was like I would say that I could get value out of it if I wanted to just like think about these concepts for a while because sometimes just having a simple concept described to you can be a valuable experience if you want to like if you're going into that industry or whatever it's good to just like put words to these things but it's not like he's not saying anything that isn't blindly obvious sometimes that I could get value out of that you know but yeah so I remember watching a video on on good dialogue which essentially just went good dialogue communicates things it provides characterization I was like yeah this video is completely useless but it's it's like it's just a checklist generally of things to think about when when I'm writing dialogue so from that standpoint it was like it was sort of a valuable experience but uh that one sounds more useful than this one which is you press button character does the thing I mean if I was going into game design I would probably want to watch videos like this occasionally okay maybe going into game design at what age like three ei