by Israeli air force. But our goal is to reach the Gaza shore. Our goal is to restore, to reach a new equation of forces where we don't have a monster living beside us. We have done a lot of mistakes over the last years. We have nourished this monster. We have given him all the possibilities of not only survival, but a lot of luxury and luxurious life. They're coming from Qatar. Dollars, they're coming from Qatar. Expanding the fishing zones. Building for them energy sources and alternative energy sources. Trying to encourage all the donor countries to give them money. And this at the expense of the Palestinian Authority. And the Palestinian Authority was weakened and weakened and weakened. And the result was, in fact, the awakening of terrorism inside the West Bank, in Janine area and all the Tulkarm area, like what we are right now living. So the answer for your question is, the issue is very sensitive, but we cannot put it in front of our tanks. We have to let our tanks go and roll all the way towards the Gaza. I want to let our viewers know, too, there are, I mean, as heavy as this is, there are standing directives within the combat forces that if a colleague is being kidnapped, he's to be taken out. You're not trying to save his life anymore. It's better to kill him. This is what we call the Hannibal strategy. I mean, this is what happened with our soldiers several times already during the encounters with Hamas, if somebody is taken as a captive. So immediately artillery is driven there because we don't want them to be captive. Unfortunately here, nobody was there. And they took about 130 hostages. And this is a very, very difficult and dire situation. It is. It's dark and well said, Jacques. We have no question right now. No choice, I should say, but to look northward. And I know your expertise goes deep into this realm with Lebanon, with Hezbollah, perhaps a longer standoff with greater stakes taking off there over a fence similar to what we've had in Gaza. Where does this go with Lebanon right now? We've seen a lot of you have saber rattling a bit. What's your assessment right now? In those four days, information leaked out about what happened really in Lebanon during this last year. We know now for sure that Connie, the head of the Kuts division was in Lebanon seven times and he met with the Hamas leaders, with the Islamic Jihad leaders and with Hezbollah, coordinating together this idea of surrounding Israel and unifying France, the northern front, Gaza front, the West Bank, inside Israel, and of course, Yemen and Iran. And the idea that was brought by Hezbollah was to take over those localities bordering the borders. And we saw that already in 2011.  This was this drill. And everybody laughed. We saw them and the tunnels uncovered some for you. We saw them putting explosives on a wall that was supposed to be the obstacle with Israel. We saw them coming in motorcycles and said, this is what this is. Really, it's a joke. Is it a joke? And it's not a joke. This is exactly what was copied by Hamas. And Hamas studied very, very carefully the system of defense, the fence itself, all the cameras which were neutralized immediately by only one drone who just dropped a grenade on a control post.  This is what happened immediately. Now, on the other hand, the fact that Hezbollah did not join someone of a surprise, Hamas on the same day and the same hour, which would have put Israel in very dire position. We had no we were not prepared, not in the south and not in the north. They could have taken over. They could have driven straight to Haifa, straight to Abdullah, straight to the Keraj money, and no one would have stopped them. And this is, I mean, this is a divine intervention here that prevented this. And this is what I already say that Hezbollah has lost the war against Israel. Yeah, no, there's certainly a big conflict. We want to go back to Nicole again. Actually, we're going to go a lot in line with our discussion here on Lebanon. So much focus on that right now. We're going to the northern border at this time. A few fronts to keep track of here, folks. So we go down to Hamdas al-Khut. Obviously, last night, a cross-border infiltration from Lebanon apparently carried out by Islamic Jihad, Palestinian Islamic Jihad members, thwarted, shot dead on the border. If I'm summing things up, right, Hamda? I mean, the watchful IDF now up there responding, though, apparently taking out as Hezbollah claims operatives of Hezbollah. How do you describe the 10th situation up there today? David, good afternoon. A lot of Israeli patrol throughout the northern border after that infiltration yesterday, at least four militants crossing the border. Two of them reportedly going back in and two of them dying in a shootout with the Israeli military. At least one Israeli soldier is dead because of that firefight. The Israeli military retaliating with strikes on Hezbollah targets. The group confirming that at least six of their members were killed in the strike, vowing to retaliate within the rules of deterrence that they've set for themselves. As to whether they'll join a wider conflict, that question is still up in the air, whether the Iranians will join as well, also up for debate. At this time, Palestinian factions operating out of southern Lebanon are saying that they are eager to join the fight, but Hezbollah needs to take the lead on this. Remember, these Palestinian factions in these large Palestinian refugee camps in southern Lebanon like al-Burej and Ain al-Hilwa are eager to join the fight. Open a new front against Israel. The Israeli military is saying they are on constant alert here, deploying dozens of battle tanks and other armored vehicles to the front along with hundreds, if not thousands of troops to help protect the area. Fears of infiltration continue at this hour as a lot of things are closed off here in the north. What do you see in terms of, you know, if there are civilian activity, if you can gauge, I know much of the country right now feels like a ghost town. Certainly the city of Tel Aviv, the south, of course. What's it look like in the north, Hamda? Well, look, in the city where we're in now, there's a little bit of civilian activity, but nothing compared to what it's usually like. A lot of shops have shut their doors out of fears. A lot of residents fleeing Israeli media reporting that at least 75% of residents in the north, specifically by the Galilee, have fled to go seek shelter in more central areas of the country as Israel prepares itself or what could be a multi-front conflict. Hamda, thanks for the updates again. Come to us from the northern border. All eyes on there. We'll jump back to any updates or developments that occur up there. Again, the country on edge around this situation here. Just bring us back to Jacques in studio with us again. Jacques, to keep us on the topic of Lebanon. Yes, it's baffling to some degree. Why has Bala set quiet, you know, since that clear moment of opportunity that came up on Saturday, at the same time, there appears to be a wider conflict involved here that this is Iran at the steering wheel, perhaps, activating one of their proxies in Hamas in Gaza right now. And we see the US pulling at perhaps its strongest carrier strike group into the eastern Mediterranean. Are we part of a wider picture than we've realized in the first two days? Let us begin first with his Bala. His Bala has two elements that are just putting a break on his willingness to enter the battle with Israel. One is the resurgence of Daesh inside Syria. We saw that in the last months, hundreds of attacks, more than 1,200 attacks against targets inside Syria. And in his last speech, Hassan Nasrallah just insinuated that this situation was indeed imposing on his Bala to deal again with sending back units there inside Syria. They're being pressured by Syria. Exactly. So not to let the regime fall again, so they have to take care of the regime. So this is one thing. The second thing is the American threat to Iran. Don't mess with with the situation. Don't be involved. And the strike force that has been sent towards Israel and all the declaration, the context between Israeli military and American military, all this puts another break on the situation. This does not affect his Bala itself. Why? Because his Bala has a sort of autonomy in his decision-making. He is to consult Tehran, but his decisions are independent. And he has put two strategies. One, it's a tick for tack policy. You hit me, I hit you.   And then he said very plainly, he said very openly, we have a red line. And this red line is the ground incursion of Israel inside Gaza. And if this happens, then we are inside. So I mean, with that being imminent, I guess a lot of questions around that, Jacques, I want to draw our attention for our viewers back towards the crisis in the south and specifically Kibbutz near Ram. Previously, home to some 600 residents, a lot of young families. It's right along the Gaza border and was clearly just one of the sites of terror and nightmare this week. Our correspondent, Jonathan Regev, he spoke with a resident to get their harrowing story of survival, and it's so much killing. First of all, how is everybody? How's the family? How's the community? We are safe and we are healthy. But as a family, the community and the family are broken. We have a lot of casualties in the area. Nothing will be the same. It's impossible to describe the feelings now. It's like 9-11, the Israeli 9-11, you feel unsafe. You feel that everything that you are taught and everything that you believe in is not valid. And it's a terrible feeling. After saying that, I would also say that we are very strong. We believe in our way and we will prevail and win and go on to our lives and we'll even strive for peace. But there will be time for that. Now it's war time. Driving down the roads, just outside your community in Iran, the burnt cars, dead bodies, debris all over the place, bullets on the ground. You were driving there when you had to run away. What does it feel like seeing your beautiful, beautiful community looking like this? It's the dream. It's a shuttered dream. We build a community on the borderline. We did everything to provide peace and cooperation with our neighbors, the Palestinians. We nurtured the area. We made the desert green. We made high tech. We made everything, my education. I came to live in this area like seven years ago. And knowing that I'm going to raise my kids in a pretty dangerous area, but a place of hope. And driving the road that you describe and seeing 30 upside down cars and body parts and everything, it was surreal in the worst way possible. It's a shuttered dream. Everything we worked for and dreamt and our vision of a prosperous place is broken. I know it's still a time of shock, but I also know that you and I and everybody, we were promised again and again the army is there, the wall is there, the underground barrier is there, everything is there. But at the moment of truth, it was not there. What does it feel like? We feel as a whole, we feel unsafe. There's security and there is a sense of security. Security is when you are protected. Sense of security is something that you can have without being protected because of the community and because of everything. We had a sense of security. We also knew that we have iron dome, we have the fence, we have the underground challenge, we have everything. So in that manner, if the rockets, if iron dome misses, so and it not happened too much, then there's also army and everything and you can find cover and you can deal with the rockets. It's terrible and people die, but you can deal with it. Understanding that there is no fence and what's broken, it's something that does not allow life in the area. I mean, you cannot live with it. We are very, I wouldn't say disappointed because everybody is shocked and obviously it's a great failure, but it's not the time for that now. We thought and we're still thinking that the fences and boulders and everything, it's not not the only answer. And we were surprised as a country of the region and it was devastating. I think it was very technological and very smart and I think somehow we forgot and the basics of war, we forgot that there are people that are trying to kill us. We forgot that, I mean, we were all in the area about for the disengagement a few years ago and we evacuated our brothers from Gush-Katif in the disengagement. A thing like that would never happen if there was not a disengagement. So we knew that we are less than one kilometer from each other. It could happen. It's like a risk we took, but it was a calculated risk and it was supposed to be army and other things going on to prevent us and they were. But we do feel like we lived for many years in a false sense of security. I mean this great tragedy and the huge numbers we're hearing from some of the communities around you. You come from Kibbutz near Am. And the miracle is that no one was killed near Am, but the numbers could have been just as high as in Bari. Ten minute drive from you. We are definitely on the plan of the terrorist. It was a very detailed plan. I believe it came from Iran or other countries. It's something military with a lot of intelligence, a lot of teams that was executed in great accuracy. Unfortunately, Niram was one point of it. We killed 30 terrorists just outside of Niram. The difference between Iran and other Kibbutz was a miracle. It was a lot of luck, but also a lot of smart and brave people from the security squad that took the things into their hands, reality and managed it. They did a few things. First of all, they took out the power supply of all the Kibbutz and by that they didn't allow the gates to open and that way the vehicles couldn't get inside. Other than that, they were proactive and went to the fence and spread out and tried to they waited for the terrorist. They didn't wait for something to happen, but they waited to ambush the terrorist and that way they managed to kill a few of the first one and then the second wave there were like 50 or 60 with four cars, trucks coming inside. That's when the army at the last minute arrived with tank and other means and finished them off. But if we had 30 armed people with long weapons inside Niram, our destiny was like Khwaraz al-Baeri and probably I wouldn't be standing here talking with you. We know that. The sad side, not sad, but I mean we are safe, but we didn't know all of that. We were in the safe room with knives and hammers holding the door, hearing a screaming in Arabic and live shooting and we thought and we heard everything from the Kibbutz team around and we thought they are inside of the Kibbutz and outside. Also a lot of hours we've been without electricity and cell phone that we knew nothing so it was a terrible ordeal to anyone. We are safe, other people are not and we have to thank the people of Niram and God and everyone for that, but it's still it's it's very very it's a terrible ordeal. And finally now that you're in central Israel, how do you feel is there a great response from institutions and from private people? Yeah, I would like first of all to thank all the people that are helping. What we see is the beautiful face of Israel. After a few years and especially last year, what we are very divided and a lot of quarrels within ourselves. If there's anything good that came out of it that we are united, we are one people and when we're united no one will be able to beat us. The last year was terrible for us as a community, as a country. We the thing that we thought about like two weeks ago seemed like nonsense now and we understand it and for now on we have to take our destiny and we need to thrive forward and we have to be united. I think the last year from all sides of the political eyes that try to show everyone how terrible Israel is abroad and inside Israel and it is it's a crime I think it's it this shouldn't be done during wartime and and I hope it will stop now and from now on we'll be united. Everyone helps everyone now religious people and orthodox and secular and whatever I mean everyone helps everyone and that's the way it should be and when we are like that no one can beat us. Let's hope for better days. One more sentence please maybe I would like to uh I want to address the people in Gaza. I think the Hamas stole your future. I don't understand people that rather die from the IDF rockets than dying from the Hamas bullets because trying to do something against Hamas will save your kids and allow them uh prosperous future with peace. We want peace and we are thriving for it and we are doing everything.  They drove Palestinian and still they're killed. It's one of the most left-wing communities in Israel and it's almost devastated. It's almost terminated and it's uh that's the biggest crime maybe they killed the hope they took the future and the hope of the Palestinian people and if the Palestinian people have any kind of hope of being like a people like big like a culture they should throw out Hamas save the future and their kids because otherwise they will be dead either our rockets or the Hamas bullets on the side of the Hamas there's hope. Do it. Thank you alone. Again thanks to our Jonathan Regev for bringing us that incredible insight to just a small portion of what took place down in many of these communities there but we have to jump back to the north as we are throughout these two hours here checking on each front. We're joined now by the chairman of the upper Galilee regional council coming to us from Kiyos, this is Giora Salz. Thanks for being with us. Look first of all before we can get to the bigger picture I understand there's been another infiltration attempt from Lebanon just this hour. Yes but I don't think that we should look in any small events that happen here. The state of Israel is in a war. The war is against the country of Gaza. It's against the country of Lebanon and I will even say it's against a country that's called Iran. So it's not so important if we have this event or this event we'll have it anyway. The thing is that we are in a war right now and we prepare ourselves for this war and we should behave as the state and the army like we are fighting a war against another state. It's not a terrorist organization. It's not a civilian organization. It's a war between states. Israel against Lebanon. Israel against Gaza. This is a way we should see it in a small battle here or small battle there. It's not so important. We should and must see the full picture. Nothing you're absolutely right. This reality I would argue is hard for most people to take in that in fact yes this is unlike anything we've experienced before. You could say it's the big one that's been looming over our heads for a long time. What's your impression of what the residents are thinking or know or what they've been told really the people living up here along these front lines up in the north. As I said before we prepare ourselves the best way that we can and one of the things that we've done since Saturday morning since this war was started which is against our natural against our moral values against everything that we were educated for. For me myself in high officers army I was born here 200 meters from the Syrian border that was here before the Six Day War. It is very hard to me to ask my citizens by asking them to do so to evacuate as quickly as they can and they asked the residents of the upper Galilee those who don't need or those who don't need it in their settlements for the military events for agriculture for working in the important thing that we should keep even if you are in a war I ask them to leave this area because you have to understand the district I would say of 20 30 kilometers inside Israel between the sea between Roshan Iqara and Mount El-Hermon this will be the area that will be challenged the most when the bombing from Lebanon will start and if you have your citizens we will need to take care of them the army we need to take care of them instead of acting over the border so it was very hard for us but we asked our residents to to evacuate and I'm happy that most have done so so today in our settlements as upper Galilee I would say that we have somewhere between 15 to 25 percent of residents stayed in our settlements in our team and most of our residents already live to a safer it's not a safe but to a safer places in Israel I understand well that tough mentality I myself lived in Kragladi for about eight months some years ago and I understand the the tough mentality that's enabled this country and all those people to survive too today so this is obviously a tough moment a tough decision as you mentioned to essentially clear out of the way and let the army do its job thank you for being with us you are awesome stay safe and I hope for everyone that we will know some better days in this region not only in Israel in Lebanon in Gaza in Syria in all this wonderful region this could be one of the most tourist place in the world if we'll know how to manage one which is with each other thank you for joining us on the program there I'll let you get back to the important work at hand on your end thank you now we go to our correspondent Jonathan Regif who's covering get more aspects of this conflict here and how the home fronts reacting here Jonathan first I think the place to start is on the IDF efforts to remove people from the danger zones in the south and what are those efforts look like what's taking place and we'll begin in the south basically all of the residents have been cleared out of the border communities of course and those those communities are now in a terrible shape I was down in the south yesterday sins of apocalypse on the streets cars burned down bodies and and these these communities at least for now not really a place to be in and the citizens have been evacuated only those who are completely essential they are they remain over there also from the city of Zerot not the entire city but the cities as over 60 have been are now in the process of being evacuated as well not that that means not the entire city but many people all those over 60 and then let's understand many of those under 60 have already left the city clearly not a very comfortable place to be in and also in the north it's not an order for people but in a sort of a recommendation to leave you just heard in the previous in the previous interview we don't know where the northern front is heading if it is heading for something big of course it will be it's a war that will be easier to conduct if there are no citizens there that is why the citizens are advised to leave again it's not an order people can stay but are advised to leave. Jonathan what's going on where you are today at Oyn Shfaim there I believe I mean tell us a bit more about the home front efforts. So this is this is a hotel we're in Shfaim just in the north of Tel Aviv this hotel is open for families coming from Gaza border communities those who spent the terrible day 24 hours sometimes even more in protected shelters and in great danger and many of them had had relatives killed relatives kidnapped so they're coming here this hotel is opened and other hotels in other places around the country have been opened as well we were seeing a lot of initiatives we have to see especially from the private sector companies and private people a lot of initiatives to provide the people here and to provide the soldiers on the front with food with the essentials clothes anything they need the government is now stepping in as well we're seeing governmental governmental initiatives as well but it took time it's the private initiatives that were the first ones on the ground already as early as Saturday afternoon. Jonathan Regan thanks for the updates on your end again we'll pop back to you later on in these hours of broadcast here getting updates from everywhere right now and I want to introduce Maneus studio guest here this is IDF Reserve Brigadier General Amir Aviv is the Director of Israel's Defense and Security Forum and a former deputy commander of the Gaza Strip Division so a lot of relevant issues to get into with you just a moment that we want to hear a latest sound bite coming from one of the top officers of the IDF who led the the liberating IDF force into the community where we just spoke recently with our correspondent Nicole Tetic let's listen to him it's not a war it's not a battlefield you see the babies the mother the fathers in the bedrooms in the protection rooms and how the terrorists kill them it's not a war it's not a battlefield it's a massacre it's a terror activity so you can look at about on your son it's something that I never saw in my life something that we used to imagine as our grandfather and grandmother in the pogrom in Europe and other places it's not something that happened in the in the new history in the new history which is getting more of a glimpse in the realities that are being displayed before so I'm here with Amir in the studio now that it appears finally at the IDF is getting a grip on the border zone and maybe that's premature still there's a lot of you know gaping holes I know in this arena like what do you expect the Israel Defense Force to do next what's the next what's the next move so really we have to look at the overall goal that we should achieve we need to destroy Hamas and we need to make sure it will never ever be able to return and build up again its force and in on a military when you look at it militarily what this means I mean this is what the government should order the army we don't want Hamas anymore that's it bring them down and we won't don't want any scenario in the future where they can come back and build up their force like you're in a position here to understand the inner workings of what that means exactly this is the point and this is something I think that most of the society doesn't understand yeah in order to achieve that and assure eternal security for the south you need to take back Gaza you need to destroy Hamas completely and you need to create freedom of operation everywhere for the IDF just like the freedom of operation we have in Judea and Samaria and the West Bank meaning if there is a terrorist in any town or any city the IDF should be able with two three cars to go in apprehend the terrorists and that's it and to achieve this takes months it's it's not about a week or two or three now if we don't do that it won't matter how many terrorists we kill it won't matter how many leaders we kill it doesn't matter how many targets we target if we finish this war the same as all previous operations in two years we'll find Hamas in full capability again and there will be again a huge existential threat on the southern border to all the towns and in this scenario if this is the scenario I don't see any reasonable person that would agree to live in this region now we have to understand something you know when Hamas launched the war alone alone without Iran and without Hezbollah against one front we should mention not even with the active yes I asked myself what are they thinking okay you know sure you surprised us but once surprise is over right what do you think will happen and I understood something I understood that Hamas was convinced and maybe he's still convinced that he can do anything he can butcher a thousand Jews and Israelis and get out with it I mean maintain its control of the Gaza Strip expect only minor maybe ground operation and mainly air force just assault previous operations now you know many many people suddenly get it now but in 2002 in august 2002 when the operation in Gaza ended against palestinian islamic jihad in the previous government I published an article on the wall street journal everybody was celebrating what a win and I said this is a mistake we are fighting their own way we'll be right back at their break and we'll speak about it if you could travel to the Middle East right now without packing and without a plane ticket would you we are in Tel Aviv Israel welcome to i24 new digital here we bring Israel and the entire Middle East right to your social networks on your phone on your desktop here i24 news creates videos especially made for social media and believe me we are out there working hard right here israel and napal for the very first time is how they begin making original content streaming live even in the hard moments they're literally rocket flying off them in a bomb shelter and filming docu series with us you will find all the big stories you missed on television so join i24 news on facebook twitter instagram and youtube and discover the middle east with us israel is at war since the early hours of the morning israel has been facing infiltrations of terrorists kidnapping of israelis and a barrage of thousands of rockets emanating from the gaza strip the biggest and bloodiest attack in years tune in for our extensive and rolling coverage of the hamas deadly attack on israel with reporters on the ground in depth analysis and most updated and accurate information stay tuned with i24 news imagine being able to see into the future we can take you there welcome to israel business beats your gateway to the captivating world of israeli business and technology israel business beats sunday's and monday's 9 30 p.m. gmt really a lot to cover and glad you're staying with us here as we continue our rolling live coverage of the situation the state of war that we're in here right now we go back to the southern border region now is it's still more grim revelation is playing out before our eyes our correspondent nicol tetic is there on the ground at one community right now in frazah being one of them that just been liberated by the idf nicol again you're some of the first people along with the combat troops to go back into these communities since they were ravaged give us a glimpse of you know what you've been experiencing here in the last minutes david it's hard to even explain exactly just the mass casualties that happened right here in fact the israeli military says they still don't have a clear number but i'm talking to some of the soldiers and they say what they've witnessed as they've been walking through these different houses these different communities uh babies their heads caught off that's what they said gun down families completely done down in their beds you can see some of these soldiers right now comforting each other many of them reserves uh who jumped into action leaving their own families behind as well not knowing the sheer horror that they were about to come to they say they've never experienced anything like this this is nothing that anyone could have even imagined when you're walking through here baby cribs thrown to the side doors thrown wide open still some israeli bodies still here because the fighting in this community just ended uh just just recently so many of these troops are still going house to house door to door it's taken them sometimes 30 minutes 40 minutes because many of these houses are also still have grenades in them booby traps in fact as we're trying to get closer to some of these scenes we're being told no no no get back from some of these israeli israeli military because there are still grenades in the area i want us to keep walking through continue to kind of see the destruction that's happening on the ground here even something as simple as as a soccer net just left to the side here as people were with their families playing i see in the distance more bodies being covered uh all all the while as they're covering these israeli bodies trying to evacuate everyone else from the the territory taking all the casualties out of here it's also littered with the bodies of terrorists so we're hearing from one of the lead commanders here it was anywhere from maybe 70 armed terrorists who made their way here from the gaza border fence which is less than a quarter of a mile away and as i said the atrocities that they committed uh violence with guns with grenades with knives uh targeting these innocent civilians inside their homes um so for the soldiers here it's a very very difficult scene for them as well as i said leaving their families behind but they say they will continue to be here continue to to kill every terrorist who is in the area you can hear we're very very close to the gaza strip so we continue to hear artillery firing overhead as well uh even as we were giving the store we were told to get on the round and take cover um because you actually because you're so close to the strip right now you don't even get the red alert you actually hear the boom before you're even told to get to the ground so it's this is the reality and this is what all of these soldiers you can see none of them expecting this but all of them being here ready for the fight nonetheless and and proud to fight uh for for their country is what what i'm hearing as well and so that's why they want to show the press they want to show these very very difficult images david but they want everyone out here because they want to see and show exactly what is happening here on the ground nicole leaves all of us speechless to see you go through there i know that's that's atmosphere around you as well again you being one of the first people to move into these decimated communities now and as thanks again to call for the fortitude bringing us these front line scenes and the dangers that you're taking on to bring it to us and all of our viewers will come back to you later on still to get more updates here as nicole zedek and asa just now liberated by the idf the scenes of horror and massacre so evidence still everywhere around them there and i want to bring the conversation briefly back in here in the studio with amir revivius i just somewhat cut you i mean you're going into the break here talking about really the bigger picture of what we're facing here this is not truly just about israel and hamas and gaza this is much wider than the palestinian conflict and it goes straight back to tehran what beyond dealing with hamas and gaza now what about these threats in the north what about the asad regime for that matter where do things have to go from here beyond hamas it's actually even much bigger than that we're talking about a global event uh i assess that uh the moment that uh there was a strategic decision of the us to be to build an alliance an alliance between the west israel and the sunni world in order to counter the front of china russia iran north korea that is spreading in the middle eastern around the world iran so that they understood that this is a huge threat for them and they decide to disrupt to start to stop this process by utilizing by using hamas hamas is a is an iranian uh a proxy it's funded by iran it's trained by iran it's guided by iran this is all iran doing and iran used hamas while keeping his bala for future challenges they need his bala for an event where they are attacked so they're keeping his bala intact and this is why hamas was sent alone to do that now the us understands that this is why they're so angry so when we see the us sending warships to the middle east threatening militarily iran and the and also syria and the his bala it's not just because we are allies it's not just because of the atrocities the massacre what happened here it's because the most basic national security interests of the usa has been armed and now the us is reacting so we are in a very unique once in a century situation where the us is willing to be involved in militarily they are really deterring iran and his bala and this gives a unique opportunity to israel to take most of the forces to the south and do what we said before what is needed to do destroy hamas take over gaza regain our freedom of operation and later on later on we'll talk about solutions visions all of that but now it's all about security the children of young kipu war were praying for you know for peace and dubs the children of 23 they just want really to live they want security it's about that and we need to provide this the state of israel needs to provide security to its citizens we have a unique chance to do that we have the backup even president obama said hamas would be dismantled obama so really we have this opportunity we need to seize it we can do it we have a very very very strong army and the day our soldiers will march into gaza the whole world will see what the idf is capable of doing let me thanks for being with us so far more to discuss still we want to bring in other aspects of what's playing out around the world truly our staggering blow from hamas terrorist the emerging war it's captivated the attention of the world and well it's drawn incredible statements and demonstrations of support from our real friends and the international community and as the toll is still being counted here here's a wider look at the international reactions and of course this has been playing out in other places while we've seen demonstrations large-scale anti-israel pro-palestinian demonstrations first let's take a look we'll discuss more in a moment and precedented support across the world for israel following us president joe biden's statement in this moment of tragedy i want to say to them and to the world and to terrorists everywhere that the united states stands with israel brazil the united kingdom germany austria ukraine and many other world leaders have expressed solidarity for israel after saturday's massacre by hamas terrorists in israeli villagers on the border with gaza is that we will provide all the support that they need to make sure that israel can defend itself against these kinds of attacks israel has a right to defend itself in line with the international law statements aside steps have already been taken to show the support on monday the united states sent a carrier strike group to the eastern mediterranean led by the uss general ford aircraft carrier and while world leaders support is strong in canada grace spain the united states chile australia and other countries protest supporting hamas's autrucious acts are spreading but some leaders decided not to be silent amid the pro-palestinian protests hamas terrorists aren't a resistance they're not freedom fighters they are terrorists and no one in canada should be supporting them we cannot tolerate it when people try to celebrate the brutal attacks on israel on the open street those who cheer this terror not only degrade the victims they also trample on human dignity and our german constitution since saturday protests supporting israel have increased on monday thousands gathered in paris it's essential for me to be here i would have been sick not to be able to be with the jewish community and not just to express my anger my anguish and how horrified i was by the images i saw this weekend and for me it was also a matter of course to be here images emerging on social media from the brutal act committed in israel's borders shocked not only israel but the entire world yeah i'm sorry it's it's very excuse me very difficult to look at these images a lot to discuss they're incredible to see admiral john kerby out of softy getting choked up at the scenes out of israel and again those are just emerging we haven't seen the worst yet but to the point here large-scale anti israel the pro-palestinian demonstrations have emerged now in the wake of the terror slaughter in southern israel sadly no surprise to people cheering in beirut baghdad sana tehran but also in prominent cities such as london where a jarring display was put on a large crowd of pro-palestinian people celebrating partying taunting right outside the israeli embassy in the midst of our crisis and all as a candlelight tearful vigil was held concurrently not far away by others for all the men women and children deliberately hunted and murdered by ramas this week now we go to london where josh rom joins us british journalist and broadcaster josh thanks for joining us here look i saw for example the the daily mail you know highlight this sick display for what it was how though has look let's put it this way i know israel's a touchy subject in the u k how's all this being recede within wider london the u k for that matter thank you so much for having me on yes the reaction to this especially from the from the pro-palestinian protesters has been nothing short of shocking hate crimes are on the rise in gold is green and north london a kosher restaurant was vandalized um its windows smashed in um a car was also set on fire a resident from the area told me um you know some of the scenes have absolutely been shocking i know a journalist that was by the israeli embassy last night that sent me videos of clashes with police but also at the same time we can't ignore the cross party political support for israel so i was at the vigil opposite downing street last night where thousands of people from the jewish community non- jewish community alike came to um you know pray vigil vigil to the victims mourn the victims and also pray for the hostages that were taken of course alongside the 260 people that were absolutely massacred um in the music festival but what was very noticeable was the cross party support of major politicians we had tom togan had the security minister robert genrich the immigration minister both doubling down on the government support for the state of israel and for the right to defend itself them saying that the uk prime minister is doubling down on his support you also had david lambi a labor politician who came from the labor party conference in livapool to support the jewish community sir ed davie leader of the liberal democrat party syrian duncan smith former conservative leader standing shoulder to shoulder with the israeli ambassador uh the chief uk rabbi uh fray mervis as well coming to support um israel in its hour of need and also saying last night the uk prime minister attending another virtual in a north london synagogue saying these are not militants these are not freedom fighters these are terrorists an important uh you know symbol of solidarity and language at a time where hate crimes are on the rise in the uk i myself um had my cost spat out over the weekend but at a time where our state broadcast of the bbc is still not referring to hamas as terrorists you know this is a very scary it can be uh it's even painful to hear to hear how not just the bbc places like the new york times seem to be dancing around every term but terrorist when it comes to describing the events here too that is tough look what you describe josh in terms of the political you know support i mean it's certainly nothing to take for granted right now that's such prominent across the spectrum support is emerging overall it feels like a moment of nearly unprecedented perhaps support for israel sympathy obviously it's sad that it took our deepest tragedy to to elicit that you know how important is that truly though for our cause for our movement for the communities you know what help you know with that invigoration of support it's hugely important for our communities at a time where you know the jewish community worldwide feels under attack you know this morning i spoke to parents who were crying who were crying sending their kids to school jewish the jewish free school in um in north london as well their blazers have the star of david on them and they say this week that blazers to wear blazers is is very much optional they're canceling after school detentions to make sure that kids get get home on time you know this is a very scary time and to see huge international support for not just israel but for the entire worldwide jewish community which very much feels under attack right now is very is very comforting as well but also i think it's important it's important to also note that you know that it shows the severity of what has happened here this this is this is an absolute atrocity on the scale of 9 11 you know there's very much this line that's been coming out where if this if these attacks happened in the u.s it's the equivalent of 20 000 american lives here you know these aren't this isn't just a conflict that escalated this isn't all out and all out war terrorist attacks that that have occurred all over israel cities that we've seen come under rocket fire so i think you know the amount of international support and condemnation of these attacks also it's not just um you know comforting for the jewish community but it also shows the severity of these attacks on the ground josh rom well put and appreciate your perspectives there and braving the storm as well up there nothing simple about it in a place like london thanks for joining us on our show here thank you very much for having me because we're at the top of the hour here in case you're just joining us you can tell a regular scheduled programming is off we're in a state of war an emergency here in israel and some of the updates from the ground from the gaping wound of the gaza front this morning as the idf declared that they have regained control finally of this border region and the decimated remains of these communities in the area and while small numbers of terrorists are thought to be hiding the army spokesman did say tens of thousands of israeli troops are calming that area and as he put it an iron wall now of tanks aircraft and ground troops surround the gaza strip more than 300 000 combat reserves already mobilized within the first 48 hours of this largest invasion of israeli territory in 50 years in the scale of the attack it's still only gradually becoming clear with the recovery of reportedly at least 1500 dead hamas terrorists inside israel we're learning more about the shocking enormity of the initial force that that breached the border heavily armed spreading out into very coordinated fashion into these small villages to kibbutz full of unsuspecting families on a holiday morning many with young children and so far while the bodies are still being retrieved at least 900 people were slaughtered by this invading horde thousands more suffering serious wounds in the hospital and far too much of it clearly recorded on emerging surveillance footage or the live streams of hamas themselves so proud of their heinous actions an unknown number of israelis thought to be more than 130 of all ages were kidnapped into gaza and hamas has already threatened their sadistic execution one by one if israel dares to strike back which it will and from more perspective already at least 123 israeli soldiers have been killed that already far surpasses the toll of the 50 day war with gaza in 2014 just altered for you to chew on on that now we're joined by amir or defensive government commentator good to have you with us in a moment like this amir i know you're you have a wide perspective on things there's i know you've got an expertise on on what the palestinians are saying amir and sort of what in their arena is a reaction to this and i think it's worth uh examining that the palestinian street reaction and not just in gaza across the west bank wherever it matters you know in sick fashion this is their greatest victory what kind of reaction are you seeing you know in the media from the streets from the palestinian authority perhaps is machan would have us said anything uh david you brought up the analogy to 1973 and um the similarity uh also has to do with your question because uh on both occasions the uh arab side egypt then hamas now managed to pierce the aura of invincibility destroyed however this time around because so many civilians were slaughtered israelis are perceived around the world as victims the amount of sympathy for victims is limited and once uh palestinians are being killed in the hundreds and more civilians too uh we will see the pendulum swing but as for your your uh pointed question around the arab world and especially in palestinian circles there is joy and that is partly because the government of israel the governments of israel throughout the last decades have not um gone to uh the uh needed length to give the moderates some benefit for their refusal the moderates to act violently and have on the other hand benefited the extremists including hamas so now israel is left with no strong moderate partner and the extremists um have won the day and speaking of them winning the day i mean this you know being uh you know the greatest palestinian victory whether it be political tactical military however they want to phrase it terror-based you know in the hands of hamas does this virtually eliminate all other sort of political rival for hamas in the palestinian arena how does any other fashion compete for popularity on a street that that glorifies what just happened is hamas win at all at this point well should this campaign end tomorrow with a ceasefire with a prisoner deal in which all palestinian prisoners mostly hamas and palestinian jihad but also others are released from prison in exchange for all of these captives and the bodies then yes hamas would have won a great victory but it is not going to end this way maybe hamas as we know it will disappear altogether what will come out of gaza who is going to rule gaza is the palestinian authority or elements thereof such as dahlan for instance will they be available to go to gaza on israeli bayonets and rule it will there be an international peace observer force the way they went to lebanon is it critical do you think to involve the international community as it seems so likely a mayor that we're left with no choice now but to to take that you know the horrendous actions of going into gaza on the ground to get rid of hamas something that that that political cost hadn't been worth it all this time the cost in soldiers blood do we need the international community do we need to win yes we do we do need the international community on two levels one is mediation one has to get some formula in order to end the war and the other one is the contributions mostly financial needed to rehabilitate the israeli side let's not forget the negev as well as the gaza side but no one is going to come in with extra billions unless they are assured that for the foreseeable future for many years we will not see another such shocking uh spectacle display of a monster like this i'm here stay with us thanks for so far we are going back one of the most shocking revelations of the morning here uh for our correspondent cold tetic has been giving us a glimpse that she's part of a team of journalists with those frontline combat soldiers who just liberated kvara aza this is one of the small communities right outside the gaza strip virtually on the other side of the border and a call coming back to you here i know just in the last hour or so you've been part of this team that's been brought in by the frontline troops for the purpose of taking in the horror and the terror and the tragedy around you you know what else can you show our viewers just since we've spoken some 20 30 minutes ago in a call yes we're actually still moving through the community it's starting to exit now but i want to show you just some of the destruction to these houses as well because as i showed you all of the destruction that these terrorists committed on foot as they bombarded and massacred this community there were also air raids and rockets happening overhead completely taking out buildings like this one so it was really a mixture of everything happening on the ground and and in the sky as well completely devastating this community truly horrific images that we're seeing now as we're leaving the community you can see all of these soldiers here as i said so many of them called from their homes jumping into action at a moment's notice many of these reservists leaving all of their families behind to be here to protect israel southern border uh less than a quarter of a mile away we continue to hear loud artillery and and shelling in the distance at the gaza border uh as we're walking out so really all of these soldiers are doing their best to protect us the journalists who are also out here because they want us to see exactly what's happening and what they've been witnessing with their own eyes for these past three days many of them coming here saturday night and they knew that no other soldiers had been here yet and so they kind of knew uh an idea of of what was happening but but they no one could expect that it would be like this the horrors that i'm hearing from these soldiers uh as i mentioned earlier about 40 babies at least were were taken out on journeys still right now they're going house to house uh still evacuating dead bodies killed is really citizens who were killed inside the home such a shocking jarring statement there and just our viewers weren't a new hour here on the broadcast who very likely weren't with us last hour to understand that you've come in there to find this small community littered with the dead and slaughtered bodies of Israeli civilians primarily and you're saying 40 babies dead babies that is what one of the commanders told me uh and you continue to see just uh cribs overturn strollers left behind all of these doors wide open he said we don't know the exact number of casualties because they're still collecting dead bodies still going door to door because the active fighting here uh just stopped he said it came in waves almost every 20 minutes they thought maybe okay i think we finally cleared all the terrorists and then 30 minutes later another cell would emerge so it was ongoing and even when they thought that it had finally ended more terrorists popped out out of nowhere and that continues to be the scene now it is under control now and that's why we are allowed to come through the area however throughout southern Israel right now there are still uh there are still actively searching for terrorists in some of these fields behind me i mean you could see still just artillery completely destroying some of these sidewalks uh in this community and this is just minor compared to everything that's happening inside these homes everything that these soldiers themselves are saying they say it it is unlike anything they've ever seen in their entire lives before uh the number of bodies the number of casualties the number of their family members their friends who all live in these these communities it's it's truly horrific images that they've seen firsthand and as you can see still you can hear those explosions overhead still active ongoing fighting over as we're so so close to the Gaza border right now David yes this being termed a war zone by by all the IDF in charge and remind our viewers i want to remind our viewers this is just one of these small communities decimated now around as far as you understand Nicole this scene is playing out over so many other communities right now around the Gaza Strip exactly i mean as they're still looking into numbers one of the numbers of the communities that we do know more more accurately is Kibbutz Berry which also not too far from here all of these southern communities are pretty close we know more than 100 bodies were collected from that Kibbutz alone that's more than 10 percent of the entire Kibbutz population completely massacred taken out in one morning alone so that gives you the an idea of just the sheer number of casualties but that number of casualties as i can clearly see as we're walking through here and they continue to find more it is constantly growing uh because as the fighting between Israeli forces and terrorists is is stopping exactly they can finally find more of those uh those casualties those is Israeli civilians and those Israeli lives Nicole i i know these soldiers are hard to work many of them are already shocked themselves have you had a chance to get a sense of their mentality you mentioned many of these guys are now a reservist who showed up quickly to that call or even before they got the call to get there leaving their families leaving their lives at home do you get a sense for the mentality among these guys for the sense of determination for for what's ahead of them it they are really just as as horrible as it is they say it wasn't even a thought they want to be here because for all of these families that were killed they want to fight for all of the other families here in israel many of them leaving their own children behind i was talking to one he says he has five kids he's a reserve duty and jumped into a moment's action coming here first he was here saturday and witnessed the atrocities firsthand and i said how are you dealing with this this is so much to unpack just for me yet you were here actively fighting and he says something that he'll never be able to completely come to grips with however the fact that he knows he's here and and making sure that all of the other terrorists in the area are killed he says we won't stop at anything and israel will win this war so that's really the message of strength that they want to portray right now as difficult as it is they want to show these images and show that they are continuing to fight for israel and as the fighting between israeli soldiers and is a homosterous here at the southern border starts to hopefully come under control they say this is just the beginning and they will continue to fight and win this war because now that they can continue to clear out some of these communities and regain control of the communities that's when they can finally uh as we've already heard from people like defense minister you all go on really reclaim the lives lost by continuing to attack the gaza strip nicole great job out there difficult as any assignment can possibly be we appreciate you bringing us into our viewers around the world some of the first views into the terror and horror played out in kvar aza nicole setek thanks again there now i want to come back in the studio with amir or looking at this i mean obviously the the scale of the failure the scale of the of the tragedy still becoming clear hour by hour the nightmare not ending for us i know it's early you know in this to talk about the failures to talk about the glaring you know let down that this was the humiliation that we're in nonetheless you know this leadership core maybe with tribunals hanging over them in the future whether it be the prime minister all the political leadership the army leadership the intelligence chiefs they know that this is coming for them at the end of this that this failure is on them nonetheless these are the guys who have to lead us into this war who are nonetheless where they can't resign today how does that play with a historical perspective on these types of moments i know this is unprecedented but how does that play into this what kind of difficult and challenges that to the layer that that these leaders have to somehow carry on and win the day for us so first of all just to tie in to nicole's report while it is not an exact analogy what comes to mind is the first image that allied troops had in late january 1945 when they entered bergen belgium thinking the same thing as i'm watching and and you know the holocaust of the 1940s was one phenomenon but it encompassed six million eight million ten million individual holocausts and this is what these young troopers even the reservists are not more than 30 35 years old they are now bringing back to their homes and their families and they will never recover from the shock of seeing taking part and nationally being humiliated the way they were 80 years after the holocaust now obviously all of those chiefs mentioned in your question would resign they will not have to be pushed out at least the military and intelligence chiefs are conscientious enough that dignity to to understand it but right now they are trying to put it into an internal drawer not think about it as much as they can and manage the next phase of of the fighting it's very difficult and obviously they know that they should partly blame themselves for not standing up to netanyahu in the preceding nine to ten months when he has obviously weakened both substantially the idf and image wise the deterrent capacity of israel so so uh yes there's enough blame to go all around merrigan thanks for being with us on all the layers of this we have another special guest joining us right now your feet golden as the cousin as far as i understand if someone has been kidnapped here karen vernikov if i had the name right your feet thanks for being with us please uh first of all thank you for having the strength and fortitude to appear on our show i want to tell you there are viewers looking in from around the world right now who care deeply about us who want to know what's happening who are trying to understand so thank you for joining us right now what can you tell us about the plight of your cousin uh so my cousin went to a party at uh this was this festival and uh there were about two thousand people there yeah and she calls her mom about six thirty a.m on saturday and she tells her mom i'm coming home i'm running away i'm scared and uh then they're started bombing us and then there was alarms so she was in the car with four other friends of hers and then they started uh shooting at us with rockets you know and she went out of the car and she lied down on the floor and then she tells her mom they're shooting at us the terrorist are here and uh i know her friend got shot in the leg and then just the call drops and nobody has spoken to us we don't know what happened if she ran away if she didn't run away we have no idea what happened uh no one official has talked to us we might know about her friend who died they told me only yesterday um but i don't know if anyone is looking for her i don't know what happened i don't i have no idea i have another friend who died there um she just told us they're here they're shooting at us and we have no idea what happened she's been missing for almost four days uh no one has talked to us no one said anything we're all crying we're in anxiety we we we can't seem to catch her breath no and um i'm just crazy it's uh it's terrifying it's terrifying you're going we're going we went to buy groceries and i got an anxiety attack there and i just started crying and everyone seemed like terrorists to me it's really really frightening and i can't imagine i can't describe you what's going on here this is i think you're describing a trauma shared by so many around the country right now if he's so many not uniquely like you missing you know a direct family member i know there are many many in that situation too but my goodness i know the country itself sick over all this right now you mentioned not receiving really any formal updates or information or having really any semblance of knowledge what's the family doing in this moment are people coming the hospitals are they still making calls and what's the thought the thing is the civilians started looking for people yeah i mean i don't know i i have a friend who is in the army and all of my friends who were in the army with me are now went to war and i don't know what is going on they also don't seem to have contact with us not a lot um our family is just you know we're just sitting here crying watching the news trying to speak to someone i know there are civilians that went to check because i know the army is too busy you know fighting them right now like not looking for the missing and so civilians went and started looking for the missing but we have no idea what is going on so you know the government doesn't speak to us no one's speaking to us we have no idea we just want to know if someone is doing something it's okay they haven't find them yet we just want to know that someone is looking for them we just want to know something i know that my cousin uh has her location at uh about her phone's location about six at six p.m at kibbutz alumim but i have no idea what happened to her if someone took her if she was taken to there if someone killed her we have no idea we have no idea if someone is even doing something to find them so the families are devastated i i i can't tell you if it hurts for me her mom is devastated she can speak she can breathe there are a lot of panic attacks there is no uh uh mental health assist nothing it it leaves us speechless absolutely if you and again i i know this is the plight of far too many people and families right now dealing with this too i know that the public as you mentioned being a scary place right now the trauma of so many sharing of not knowing you know what's happened and in the deep you know humiliation and fear that comes with this be finding the communities at least your friends are there for you that this country is is emerging in a way that we haven't seen i mean we have to say it we've been marked for these nine ten months by steep divisions are you feeling that the country is coming back together at least around this tragedy yes um yesterday um i posted on instagram that if anyway all the girls can come to pray for karim it's um it's like a thing that the jews do the girl the girl jews do um you pray only the girls and you do like and you bake like this bread and it's like it's a good thing it's just it does prayers and all that and like almost all the neighborhood came so yeah we're getting really together at this time and this is something that yes that helps keep the strength your feet golden it's uh again i can only thank you for having the courage and the strength to appear on our show right now to the benefit of so many looking in around the world right now again our friends out there who want to know who care who are desperate just as we all are for some information about this tragedy so thank you for having the strength to come on and and share the story of kareem here we'll follow closely we'll be in touch and and wish you all well thank you thank you thank you very much look i do you want to bring this back in the studio here with amir oren before we go out to a break amir obviously this all this is just a collective national gut punch that we can't even describe but the concept of unity you know emerging now after seemingly week after week after week our main story has been disunity divides within this country i heard one person say all that seems like a distant memory at this point in some ways i don't want to use the word save but has that issue been completely thrown to the back burner sideline at this point the country moving on from that in a flash have you seen that unfortunately this is a mirage because we have seen over the last two or three days as there were moves by the opposition leaders trying for unity government to approach an emergency government not the unity government because they cannot really unite under netanyahu they can do it with liqud with the ruling party and with parts of the ruling coalition but not with the extremists smotridge and bangvier and what we just heard from yafid was self help of course there are grief anger revenge all of these feelings but the state institutions have coaxed and people had to show solidarity and ingenuity on their own you have no one to trust no one to rely on do you think we saw prime minister netanyahu just just a minute we have left here amir to say that no preconditions he's ready to you know form this emergency government as far as i know it hasn't happened yet is it holding us back you know from true operational activity may this the necessary component right now for these players to all come together this is facetious no preconditions but i'm telling you that i'm not going to change anything substantial in my cabinet what what gants and eisenko the two former chiefs of staff have demanded or asked they they are not demanding any longer and and they were willing to join the cabinet as long as the other block doesn't have a veto over the decisions because if they are going to be just potted plants with recommendations which will then be overruled by the others but they will still be held accountable as part of the collective responsibility of the government what's the point amir oren thanks for bringing with us so far and all this everything that there is to cover in this and all the different layers we do another break just about to hear somewhat of relief after the heavy coverage would be bringing your way we'll be back much more of it stay with 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giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity welcome back it's still coming to you live from televieve and glad you're with us there's a lot to cover right now again the country in a state of war here and the civilian toll it's beyond comprehension right now the bodies have literally piled up for the massacres at these small family-oriented communities around the gaza strip there's much now coming to light and while it's painful we believe it's important for you to understand the realities that played out in a warning before you see the next clips they're disturbing we saw was unbelievable the casualties that we saw and then we thought that everything we saw everything but then it came to yesterday when we went into kibbutz baeri and we saw the what was done to the families to the children that was i'm 33 years in this position and i was everything i saw everything i thought i saw everything but something like that i never saw and just giving us an idea now is again imagery surveillance camera footage and just the people getting in on the ground to discover the horrific scenes all coming to light today at least partially along those lines we're joining the studio by mushet malaya who's a volunteer with what's called unit 360 here um look first of all before we even get into what's on the ground for our viewers describe what unit 360 is and what the greater operation what's the mission yeah so uh to make the long story short story short that's uh we actually doing uh same as zaka but we are there for everyone who needs us actually this is this is body and body part collection i want to tell our viewers here zaka known for that correct i want to say famous but becoming well known during so many of the horrible issues attacks that we've had before so that's specifically your group's job to go in there are you among the first people in there to these areas along with the army to lay hands on these bodies essentially uh i i wasn't the first but i came i came to the south two days ago and uh we actually i came as a as a medic to to take care of wounded but i didn't have any any job to do i just left the place and i started to look for uh where i can be a beneficiary for any organization and this is what i how i found myself in unit 360 and since that point more or less what have you been up to what what have you discovered as difficult as to describe you know what have you seen since that time you know you talked about just recently talked about uh seeing these images and imagine and what situation we have we have but uh i don't think people at home really understand i don't think so where where what in what situation we are uh the things that i saw during those two last days i never saw anything like that before they just didn't make any difference when children elderly women even even the former workers from thailand right for workers slaughtered yeah it's clearly not you know it's really juice right yeah i mean it's it's it's a show the the animal they are i mean it's unbelievable i was i was before at the very right this is difficult to learn you're not a rookie at this no no no not at all your heart i was i had these things voluntarily it's the same before right and with accidents with terror actions and i saw things before of course but it's never easy you know but but but but nothing's like that it's the first time i seen such in images look just being an active war zone for the last two days too as you've gone in there this isn't just an attack that occurred and it's done and you go in and literally clean up the pieces what kind of unique difficulties did you face you know going into these areas were so much of it you know inaccessible to you essentially when you got there stills first of all i think i i mean from my point of view i was as a citizen it looks like it's it's all mess you know everybody's trying to differ to understand okay figure out what to do yeah the fall of war as we said it was actually looking like that yeah um i don't know if you know or can tell us i mean i know the statistics are still being compiled but in your estimation i mean roughly you know how much is has yet to be discovered you know what's the estimation that there's still many more out there to bodies to find to collect i mean i don't know i mean just let me tell you something yeah for example yesterday we had i think 13 trucks waiting on the parking lot which every truck had 50 victims inside of that i don't know if they if they've been counted yet or not but if not there is 600 more i mean it's yeah i mean i'm not talking officially i don't know i don't know the numbers just things that i saw in my eyes status everybody's in the ground we're just gleaning information from people like yourselves who've been there obviously speechless um look i think a very important part that i want to highlight here is you're a volunteer okay essentially every soldier down there's a volunteer um you know volunteers essential this is what the country is doing right now stepping up volunteering taking on the most horrendous situation imaginable these are all volunteers with you down there yes yes everybody's volunteer and it's amazing to see people coming and begging to volunteer they don't even they don't have enough place to to have these volunteers so it's amazing we have a wonderful people we are great people and we're strong people and i'm sure we're going to win it's just a matter of time and and a patient where do you go from here mr first of all we're just so grateful you spend the time with us in the studio i know clearly you have important work to do and i just to take this moment with us so important for our viewers again i mentioned to everyone they're they're people around the world our dear friends who are struggling to understand what's happening who want as painful as it is to know where do you go from here are you going back to work in the south is there just more communities to yeah i'm i'm actually go back to ramble there is a base near ramble where they concentrate all the victims there and i go back there to keep up the job we see that there's a holy mission yes we see that as a holy mission this is why we are so connected to this emotionally physically and we do we do our best it's not easy it's a process to undefy every each body and which could be terrorism involving there could be anyone so it's not an easy job and nobody wants to do any mistake you know to the mixed up with victims so to give our viewers a little more idea of what this means it means you are collecting bodies like guarding over them essentially it's being an important part of it is someone you know staying with the body is correct but identifying and keeping trying to lack of words to put the back together again right to sort of find the pieces of people let me tell you something very short first body i took out an unload from the truck she was a i think five or six years old girl blown the air blue eyes with a terrifying look on our face it's it's i think i never saw anything like that in my life i mean how how how could you shoot such a beautiful girl i mean and this is all this is up close this isn't an airstrike gone wrong this isn't an errant mortar shell this is up close murder yeah they came i heard they came with knife shovels hack hawks everything they could pick up they just pick up and kill people it's like butcher you know we had yesterday we had 94 years of what they killed it was a 94 years ago and they killed in heaven 130 people and we remember this massacre of the defenseless jewish community there yeah and today we're talking about 700 900 thousand in one day it's unbelievable it's one of the blackest days in the dark annals of jewish history in my opinion motionment i have a volunteer with unit 360 this is one of the body protection and collection units again a volunteer to you and all of your units and all of your comrades out there thank you from the entire nation for doing the work you're doing keep up the good work thank you very much thank you strong and thank you for joining us in the studio thank you precious to have you here for a minute we'll let you get back to work clearly important work to be done on that front again as our correspondents described to us from the field getting people like mosheck coming in here to tell us the devastation is just being uncovered in these southern communities it's defies our our understanding it defies our ability to comprehend the horror and the massacre that have taken place the scale just now becoming clear again unimaginable and we'll have still get more coverage of the latest before you here stepping out for another short break here and i-24 news this particular project with a gross capacity of 103.5 megawatt will be producing around 230 gigawatt hour of clean renewable energy per year so keto uh reserve we have the right ingredients and we have to do the job and that if we have the right ingredients and we do the job that the quita can be protected oh thanks for staying with us still live coverage here this hour from televieve covering the state of war and the many layers that are affecting us around the country now as the scale of the horror just gradually becoming clear to us so many people virtually the entire country of israel have been desperately seeking real information guidance all since this invasion kicked off on saturday morning now many are new immigrants perhaps arriving in recent months or years and like they face at times a really special set of challenges to simply understand what's happening what to do especially in a state of war so some new hotlines have been opened up and one of the people behind it here joins us in the studio now rabbi ariel konstantin is the director of habita televieve and uh the rabbi the televieve international synagogue so rabbi this should be with us um first of all tell us about you know the you know where the impetus came from to to establish hotlines and and what you're doing what are the hotlines i have we have the number on the screen i want to mention to our viewers right now this is the phone number to call so anyone who is you know local i guess looking in uh we'll keep the number on the screen there for you tell us about it what where did the impetus come from to get this done so this actually started in the time of corona where we found that a lot of the uh immigrants were very very lost very lonely very alone uh with not within a family support right exactly right and uh they were they're desperate looking for information and even connection emotional support and just how to handle things logistically without that support and that's the normal times i mean i think what you're describing sounds to me like the average day for a for sure it's real so these are highly abnormal times you know what are you feeling people turning to you as such i know people are desperate looking for information wherever they can get it there's not a lot of official no places to call yet to get information so we were experiencing sort of a deluge of people you know not knowing what to do or what to think so there's a lot first of all there's different languages that we have we have English and French and and Spanish Portuguese Russian I'm hiring people in every which way trying to connect also in their native tongue because also when people enter into stress they often refer back to their if much as they're trying to learn Hebrew and be integrated it's so much more comforting when they can even just speak to somebody on the other line in their native tongue and someone can say it's okay let me help let me see how I can help you and that alone is giving so many people some solace and peace that there is somebody on the other line the most horrific thing is to try to call and reach out and there's nobody there so number one we're trying to receive the input of people give them a sense of calm and a sense of security that we're there to help and then we need to take the information what do they need how can they help how can we help them we're getting a lot of volunteer service we're calling us and how can we help that's excellent so people are in to be able to answer the phone calls we're getting psychologists who are offering their time pro bono in order to give people that support and in this time of need people looking to host and people looking to be hosted so people need shopping people need babysitters there's so much that needs to be done and this is closed everything the university like skeleton sort of operation in the public right it's it's just an eerie moment what are you finding if you can characterize you know what are what are people most you know what are they calling in about what are they most concerned is it is a fear you know for actual well being in security what do they need to know like what are the issues mainly that people are seeking to know to learn calling in number one is the guidance of what happens if there's a there's a siren how to react command type of things exactly the whole home front command the whole pico or a field to understand what are the conditions if they have changed they've just put out that they're supposed to prepare 72 hours in advance created some panic yesterday exactly maybe major panic actually yeah so they're trying to figure out what what they should do in those circumstances should they go out should they stay at home someone knocks on the door let them in not let them in you know we had this morning the water meter checker came in and you know created a panic in the neighborhood no he's okay normal you know the people are very unedged and so to try to give them the guidance of first of all how to react and what to do in emergency situations and even now in the day-to-day and how to prepare what's about to happen hopefully not but what could potentially happen we're trying to give everyone the comfort and then and the information and then also just taking and seeing what people need some people can't leave the house some people are homebound sometimes both parents are in me loom or one's a doctor and one's one's serving and the children need someone to attend to them so there's so many different angles that we're looking at collecting food collecting equipment for the for the soldiers there a lot of the first cell phone chargers and power banks and you know we're sending north we're sending south we're doing what we're in any which direction we can to try to help and and and people also feel better when they're doing when they're helping rather than sitting at home nervous watching the news all day exactly to say it yes it's a way to pass your time okay tune in here and there to watch us but you know yes it's not healthy to be fixated on all the conflict non-stop and I think touching on something I think is critical right now to really national just survival is a sense of community that people aren't alone there's a lot of you know obviously people are hiding at home essentially we're not staying near their safe rooms afraid to go out in many cases so building that sense of community the fact that you're not alone just that simple fact and message that they receive that they're not alone that they're part of something you find this is even at its core what may be most important I know absolutely absolutely in general that's what people need people need community that the loneliness is is a killer and again people come to Israel in general with great enthusiasm and and and incredible zionistic values but when they're here they do sense that a lot of loneliness and what hobaita has done is created 40 communities around the country and from different languages again secular religious and karedi each one is separate and and many mixed like like our own community in Tel Aviv is is a full diverse community of every walk of life and every background and this is bringing people together is really what matters and it that's that's what hobaita is all about in fact there the main theme of it is is connection just to give people a sense of connection and enable them to be with others and a sense of purpose also to protect their you know to bring some of their own home culture that they brought from home because it's not about just okay you're here become Israeli yes become Israeli but also bring the beauty of what you had and merge and synthesize the two so that they have both their home culture and the Israeli culture and bringing people together and that's critically needed in normal times as you mentioned before now how much more critical that people need that sense of connection and someone's there for them and someone cares it credible fundamental yet so important of an initiative here Rabbi Constantine thanks for being with us here again with the two our viewers the number on the screen i want to encourage anybody don't hesitate call this phone number if you feel like you don't get the answers you need you don't understand what's going on you're understanding that you know we all get lost in the whatsapp groups and everything else that's going around the country now rabbi Constantine thanks for joining us keep up the good work with the hotline for sure thank you a piece for on me absolutely look for nine months israel's dominant story yes i'm sure you haven't missed it was its protests you know all that's changed now and our senior correspondent on ultimate looks at the new national initiatives that are popping up the hands that held up protest signs now pack the boxes and there are a lot of them baby food and toys for families from israel south blankets and equipment for reserve soldiers on their way to duty and at this spot at televised convention center all put together by organizations that just a week ago were focused on something else entirely we are social activists we're activists by nature we are trying to take care of our country and that's what we've been doing for the last 10 months so for us switching from doing every type of work that we did in the last 10 months to supporting the idea it's the action the same thing we're trying to support the idea even before right now we simply do it with boxes but the task the overall mission never changed this space more than any shows israel's shift in an instant from protest to war months of wrenching debate and protest with the security situation in the background now war with protest at this point only a memory we are protesting because you want to protect our country and what we're doing here is to help our country it's the same action when you protest thing for the safety of our country and this horrible thing is happening and we are all here to help it's the same thing because this is our country we are here and we will help everyone that needs us we are the most Zionist and the most patriotic we have always said that we serve our country all our lives every year we go out to protect the borders in recent times we have been protecting the country from inside against people we felt were against israeli democracy and it is most obvious that in one second we will direct all our resources for the benefit of the country the operation here is one of dozens if not hundreds up and down israel for many parts of society showing a country mobilizing in every way oh and all term in i-24 news in Tel Aviv again the theme that keeps repeating the staggering blow from Hamas terrorists and the the emerging war of course is now captivating the attention of the world it's also drawing incredible statements of demonstration here of support from our real friends in the international community and as the toll is still being counted as we speak there's a wider look though at those initial reactions and precedented support across the world for israel following us president joe biden's statement in this moment of tragedy i want to say to them and to the world and to terrorists everywhere that the united states stands with israel brazil the united kingdom germany austria ukraine and many other world leaders have expressed solidarity for israel after saturday's massacre by Hamas terrorists in israeli villages on the border with Gaza is that we will provide all the support that they need to make sure that israel can defend itself against these kinds of attacks israel has a right to defend itself in line with the international law statements aside steps have already been taken to show the support on monday the united states sent a carrier strike group to the eastern mediterranean led by the uss general ford aircraft carrier and while world leaders support is strong in canada grace spain the united states chile australia and other countries protest supporting Hamas's autrucious acts are spreading but some leaders decided not to be silent and that the pro-palestinian protests Hamas terrorists aren't a resistance they're not freedom fighters they are terrorists and no one in canada we cannot tolerate it when people try to celebrate the brutal attacks on israel on the open street those who cheer this terror not only the great victims they also trample on human dignity and our german constitution since saturday protests supporting israel have increased on monday thousands gathered in paris it's essential for me to be here i would have been sick not to be able to be with the jewish community and not just to express my anger my anguish and how horrified i was by the images i saw this weekend and for me it was also a matter of course to be here images emerging on social media from the brutal act committed in israel's borders shaknot any israel but the entire world yeah i i'm sorry it's it's very excuse me very difficult to look at these images again as we approach the end of my time with you here this picture gradually becoming clear for us today as the idf liberates and opens up for foreign press many of the small communities massacred around the gaza strip and with the recovery of at least 1500 dead hamas terrorists inside israel starting to learn more about the shocking enormity of that initial force that breached the border spreading out into all these communities full of unsuspecting families many with young children their bodies now being recovered shockingly many many babies among them dead now so far all those bodies are still being retrieved at least 900 people were slaughtered by this invading horde thousands more suffering those serious wounds in the hospital far too much of it clearly recorded on all the emerging surveillance footage at this point the israel defense force mobilizing going into action for the next phases of the war to come here we'll cover it all closely for you and i-24 news for now i'm david matlin live in televieve thanks for joining us stay with us grail is at war since the early hours of the morning israel has been facing infiltrations of terrorists kidnapping of israelis and a barrage of thousands of rockets emanating from the gaza strip the biggest and bloodiest attack in years tune in for our extensive and rolling coverage of the hamas deadly attack on israel with reporters on the ground in depth analysis and most updated and accurate information stay tuned with i-24 news the middle east is changing old alliances make way for new partnerships bigger threats lead to new relationships and shared goals meaning new opportunities we speak to those who know the inside story and are at the heart of the changes don't get caught up with the same old story find out what's happening in middle east now middle east now on i-24 news drinking tea with something traditional chinese tea ceremony the tea ceremony is originally from chiu chou guangtong preference is actually where i come from i grow up with tea so it's very natural for me to drink the tea ceremony with people for example if i'm the host i'm the one that show the tea leaves and pour the tea in a in a bowl which called gaiwan and then we infuse it in the picture so when you come into our tea house we have five main types of chinese tea and and you know there are a lot of sub types and you can choose what you like based on what your your favorite your preferences we are in levinsky market in tel aviv this is hohyang tea studio so in this place we are hosting our our events our tea tasting events tea pairing events also serve self-serving pink and i met eight years ago in hong kong and fell in love i think together in tea back in 2015 and 16 we were already going to china our vacation was to go on tea plantations and buy tea and we brought our own tea that we used to buy directly from from farmers or suppliers and stuff the people around us our friends really not only supported but really adopted it as well our first clients were our closest friends believe that tea is the new darling of the gastronomy world you see tea attached to meals in fine dining in michelin restaurants and you see tea menus with the tea comes the culture it's meaningless without it because you drink the tea together it's social and the tea has tempo and the tea has layers and depth and honestly we didn't know how the israeli local audience will react to it i can say that most of the people that come here tea is their hobby they are willing to spend their time and and passion not only to buy tea but also consume knowledge that we bring directly from the farms from the from first source and there's nothing more beautiful than that this is breaking news edition i'm benita levine coming to you live from tel aviv we start with breaking news just in egypt has officially closed the raffa border crossing with gaza meaning the palestinian enclave is now officially sealed off at the same time right now siren sounding in several southern israeli communities near the gaza border warning of incoming rocket fire including earlier in starot ibn niram and mafal sim as the war intensifies on day four the death toll from the hamas terror rampage in southern israel which started on saturday morning is at more than 900 and that number is expected to be much higher a music festival was underway at the time of the initial attack at least 260 people massacred at that rave scores were taken hostage by the terrorists more than 2700 people in the country are injured the idf confirming on tuesday morning it has finally regained control over its border with the gaza strip some 72 hours after hamas terrorists blew through sections of the barrier to launch their invasion meanwhile israel continues with its widespread airstrikes against several hamas sites across the strip hitting a hamas military compound weapons storage site and a war room some 300 000 reservists are preparing for a possible next move it's still not clear exactly what that will entail meanwhile the israeli military is allowing foreign journalists to cover the scenes of the large-scale massacres by hamas in towns on the border with gaza including at the kibbutz in kvar aza our correspondent nicole zedek is there and filed this report here in kvar aza they continue to remove some of the israeli bodies that were killed during the massacre saturday morning you can see as four days later they're still continuing to go through some of these houses in this very very southern israeli community and remove the israeli citizens that were killed inside their homes gun down stabbed different grenades thrown off as well as we're walking through this community we're told that we have to stay away from certain areas certain houses because there could still be mines and they could go off at any moment so all of the israeli soldiers who are down here want to make sure that we're staying safe as well but as you walk through this community which we've been doing just to pan around and kind of give you an example of exactly where we are surrounded by all of these soldiers many of them called from reserve duty leaving their own families behind as well you can see some of these houses that people were in meanwhile the dead bodies of terrorists also continue to line the different grounds and parks in this surrounding area truly the scene of a massacre as many of these people were just inside their homes families one of the commanders here said said at least 40 babies were killed some of them their their heads got off he said he's never seen acts of brutality like this and as i said many of the soldiers were called from reserve duties coming down here to the scene of a massacre none of them knowing exactly what to expect and no one expecting that it could be something like this even as i'm walking around right now shell casings continue to line the grounds here the community uh signs of daily life also children's bikes parked right here meanwhile bodies lie right next to them it's truly the scene of a massacre um the commander said this is not a battle ground this was a mass terrorist coming into the community and and killing all of the citizens that that they could see and so it's been a devastating cleanup effort as as these these soldiers continue to go through and there's still an active threat from some terrorists in the area as well in fact gunfights and fighting between uh terrorists and and the Israeli soldiers here just recently ended and that's why they're continuing to go house to house and and rescue and and get all of the civilians that they can reporting for i-24 news and Nicole Zedek horror unfolding and so for more we now bring in trauma psychologist Lisa Kramer joining us from Central Israel Lisa thank you so much for your time it's a country in shock a country grappling with the brutality and scale of this terror rampage this immense loss now also dealing with gruesome videos graphic images confirmation we just heard there from my colleague around 40 children and toddlers slaughtered at that kibbutzing for other i'm not sure if there is an answer but how does a grieving nation start to process these atrocities uh benid i wish i had a good answer for you on that um i don't even think we're at the beginning of being able to process it um at the moment we are looking just to stabilize families um give them food shelter and slowly we're trying to um you know at some point we'll have to you know heal but to really remind people how strong the nation of israel is and to really mobilize them and help them you know relocate their their personal centers of control um when everything's been taken away from them Lisa as a tv channel we have to verify the footage and in some cases the attacks are so brutal the buttering of civilians young the elderly these images are going viral though recurrent images sparking nightmares for people of all ages maybe part of the psychological strategy what are the long-term impacts of this kind of trauma seeing these repeated images i think as parents we have to be very careful what we show our children it's that really fine line of nuts you know we can't protect kids from the truth and from the reality and it very much is there live so it's almost with sirens going off and helicopters and you know um aeroplanes all day long even for kids in the center of the country there is no way to shield it um but i think we have to be very careful i think also Hamas is really delighting in the fact that israelis are being shown the brutality that they have thrust upon us but i think as best as we can and it's a really difficult fine line to in some ways strike that balance of what's appropriate and inappropriate because this truly is traumatic and i don't think any adult child or teenager in israel will step out of this unscathed we're hearing the israeli school parents association reportedly telling parents to delete tiktok instagram facebook telegram apps from their phone so that children don't need to see these kinds of atrocities we know that teenagers really do see it all lisa many parents are saying they don't know what to tell their young children these young innocent minds are exposed to this horrific information some of these people hearing it are just children how does one handle this um i think if there was one right way we would all be doing it i don't think there's one right way i think possibly one of the most helpful things is that you know the opposite of helplessness is always action and i think as best parents can we need to mobilize our kids towards activity and action whether it's something as small as baking a cake for the soldiers or you know doing drop-offs helping families whose husbands have been sent off to war where babysitting small children drawing pictures you know i had my kids drawing pictures i was fascinated by you know how what they were sending to soldiers what they wanted soldiers to know and we have to slowly move our kids just towards action and to remind them really that we are strong that we are capable and to help them feel that all this all these feelings of lack of control to find little little ways for them to feel in control of their lives again um and it's small and it isn't totally sufficient but it's the best that we can do right now and people can feel that they are getting involved in being supportive with collective trauma and mourning there will hopefully be resilience to a long road ahead we appreciate your time and your insight trauma psychologist Lisa Kramer speaking to us from central israel so now for more on these horrific developments we welcome to studio our correspondent guy azrael we saw horrific images right now guy our colleague on the scene in kfar asa bodies we know the children have been butchered slaughtered on that kibbutz tell us more absolutely speechless i'm out of words we all knew of some atrocities that took place but uh as the information comes in it is unbelievable for any human being to imagine these atrocities i personally know kibbutz kfar asa very well these kids that were slaughtered there are the school friends of my nephews we go to school with with them we live in a kibbutz just next to them these are young beautiful children infants it is it is difficult to to imagine these these sites it is extremely difficult to imagine how you break the news to their friends to their families as the information comes in also from the hospitals i just heard before we came into studio um we need to remember what happened there on that Saturday morning when these innocent families were sitting in their homes some of them still in bed dozens of armed terrorists with guns with anti-tank missiles with grenades entering their homes butchering them called blooded those who they couldn't reach they burned alive benita they burned so many of these people alive if you see in the images from the kibbutz the houses are burned they burned people alive if they couldn't reach them if they couldn't reach them and slaughter them called handed taking some of their heads off i'm out of words the shock adhering and seeing exactly what did unfold since Saturday as we were discussing earlier on it's too much to process this is not human this is not human joining us as well here in studio israeli-palestinian relations expert colonel in the reserves Grisha Yakubovich former head of the civilian department of kurgat in the idf grisha you've covered horrific scenes you've seen horror you've seen war what did you make of what you saw at faraza you know i i always said that i know the gaza as well i've been in gaza for many many years i'm i think this is the first time that i'm sharing that with you i was i'm the only idf officer that was honored by a Palestinian family there's a kid in gaza named after me as as respect as honor but i always knew that gaza's this is this is this is something else so if yesterday i compared hamas to isis i think that the new name that the whole word should be shocked from that isis is nothing compared to hamas that are the devil not less than that and i told you yesterday and the day before that that the scenes that we will see will shock us and this is what we start seeing right now we're going to be unpacking more of that right now i want to go to our correspondent khamda sahut she is near the israel-lebanon border khamda what update have you got right now concerns about any potential developments up north what is the latest bonita good afternoon concerns of possible continued infiltrations along the northern border yesterday two members of palestinian islamic jihad crossing the border and killing at least one israeli soldier injuring several others palestinian factions who operate out of southern lebanon and refugee camps are saying that they're eager to join the fight but only if hezbollah takes the lead the israelis and hezbollah both exchanging fire yesterday and overnight we heard several explosions and boobs hezbollah said it will retaliate against the israelis within the rules of their deterrence after at least six members of their groups were killed because of strikes by the israeli military now schools in southern lebanon are closed and as well here along the border in the north of the country the israeli military is encouraging people to leave near the gallery around 75 percent of residents have already started to leave or have left to seek shelter in more central parts of the country as israel prepares itself for what could be a multi-front war here in the north correspondent khamda sahut live from the israel-lebanon border up north we will be coming back to you khamda in the coming hours thank you now on to the political front the latest on the possible formation of an emergency unity government representatives of benjamin nishanyahu's liquid party and the opposition national unity party meeting on the potential move on monday but no breakthrough as of yet national security minister itamar bengavir is saying he supports the formation of an emergency national unity government due to the ongoing war with khamas but reiterates that he blames the oppositions benny gans and gaddy eisenkart for the current situation saying he had warned them for nine months about khamas his comments slammed by culture minister mickey zohar of the liquid party who blamed him for delaying the formation of a unity government saying this isn't the time for politics enough wasting time on nonsense the people of israel are fighting for their existence still with me in studio kernel in the reserves grisha yako bovich and our correspondent guy asrael it's going to be so difficult guy for the nation to process the images that we just saw out of pro asa as we were discussing in studio earlier the country is in pain and seeing these images is almost too much to bear and now we hear political shenanigans trying to get their ducks in a row to form a unity government tell us more look most of the names and the stories have yet to be published we're talking about 900 killed presumably even more 100 and less than 200 of them are soldiers and the rest are civilians so we're talking about extremely large numbers of innocent civilians that were butchered there and that is an event that is going to change israel forever the history of the state of israel forever and it changes israel today and the people understand that we're about to face a much larger escalation because taking down hamas is not an easy task it's not something that is well has done over the past 15 years in all the previous operations and that would require a wide government it's clear that the israeli people are very determined to make a change i think everybody understands that whatever was allowed until now will no longer be allowed i have been sitting in the kibbutz on the border watching protests fire balloons from the living rooms from the yards of these kibbutzes and there was this sense that can still be allowed there's israel enabled that normality of terrorists on the fence less than a mile away from the homes of so many innocent people and when you allow that together with people who hold an ideology that is nazi-like killing cold-blooded children for entire families in their homes because they're jewish is nazi-like and israel understands that nothing of what was allowed until now can repeat itself a government will be formed it's it's only a matter of time a wider emergency government and israeli is facing a much tougher days still krisha there are many people who are still waiting for word on their loved ones they were kidnapped during that music festival and elsewhere taken across the border to gaza it's not clear if they are alive or not it's not clear what the plan is for khamas what kind of efforts are underway to make sure that those hostages are freed and that they are freed alive realistically well abu abay that declared yesterday that for any bomb that israel will bomb gaza they will kill a hostage will that happen i don't know but what we are going to see is actually two parallel moves one will be a war in gaza with a clear mission to win the war and not thinking about hostages on the other hand the state of israel will do whatever possible to free the hostages and the ones that were kidnapped without even thinking about the war it's a build in dilemma it's a built in situation with their own difficulties but this is it's two big huge efforts but this is not the end of the story because from what i understand now as i see the reality from the eyes of khamas they are in a huge problem in the trouble actually they achieved way more than what they expected and it became actually their weakness and this is what i see seven times abu abay that declared and he called for the for something they are talking about negotiations they are talking about a possible ceasefire yes or no and what i think i'm tempted to say it okay i'm tempted but i will say it i think that hamas understand that they were sacrificed on the altar by iran and his bala and there is a huge advantage in that it means israel can do implement the mission freely without being obligated to other let's say dilemmas from the north on the other hand it might break hamas to an understanding that they have nothing to lose so this is i think the 24 following hours we show us where are we heading towards and many of the people who are waiting for answers include american families who are waiting to find out if their loved ones are okay i'm going to bring in our senior defense correspondent jonathan reggae because those families are waiting for answers what can you tell us about that agonizing wait for some kind of clarity about what has happened to their children agonizing wait as you describe it for all those kidnapped and kidnapped or missing many and many people do not know where they're loved ones are and are they killed are they kidnapped are they hiding somewhere it is not clear and among those missing at the moment they're americans they're british they're french argentines many nationalities and four american families they will hold a shortly a press conference here in tel aviv demanding answers not only from the israeli government but also from the biden administration asking the biden administration to come in and and put some leverage trying to get answers maybe trying to free the hostages in gaza what can the american administration do that the israeli government cannot do i'm not sure i don't know how much they can assist from far away but but the families are demanding answers we know that the answers from the israeli side are coming very slow so they're demanding answers from the american side as well as mentioned four american families are about to hold a press conference shortly in tel aviv demanding answers from israeli and the united states as these are american citizens and we will be bringing that press conference to our viewers live as it happens you made mentioned jonathan of information coming out of the idf so many questions right now but there was a briefing earlier on in the day what was the latest in terms of the updates about what is confirmed or what happened in the last four days of this war not a lot of information obviously we know that that chamas easily in a way that is way too easily embarrassingly easily humiliatingly easily came into israeli territory israeli communities all along the border and was able to kill hundreds and hundreds of israeli's mostly civilians kidnapped many to gaza and the numbers of those in gaza are still not clear the identities of those in gaza are still not clear concrete information is coming only from from sources in sources in gaza and videos in gaza i think we're hearing sirens actually to the south of us not in tel aviv itself jonathan we're hearing them here where we are in tel aviv sirens are sounding in tel aviv there is a we're now going indoors jonathan please go to shelter sirens are currently sounding in tel aviv that was our correspondent jonathan reggae our senior defense correspondent speaking to us live from tel aviv as we were talking we heard sirens and we can hear them as well from the studio here with me in studio israeli palestinian relations expert on the reserves grisha yako bovic former head of the civilian department of kogat in the idf and our correspondent guy asrael just to be clear those sirens sounding right now people across tel aviv are going to shelters this is something that has happened not for the first time since this all happened guy asrael breakdown what is known what is happening right now across central israel just updating our viewers rocket alert sounding and a barrage of rockets across israel including central israel rishon let's see on tel aviv jaffa batiam we're seeing also in ash dood slightly further south just another attempt of hamas to get back new cities that's not surprising hamas is at a state where it will do whatever it can and as we know hamas is looking to kill israelis to kill jews as they did in the kibbutz right now i need to stop you right now because this is the extent of where sirens are sounding bene brak which is here in tel aviv give at schmuel petr tick for ramat gun west all happening right now we are hearing overhead what sounds like and i say sounds like an interception but we have an expert with us colonel reserves grisha yako bovic explain that noise we heard overhead it sounds like an interception the iron dome missile defense system intercepting rockets coming into tel aviv as we speak yes rockets are over our heads and they're intercepted in dear above us i'm an expert to explain that i'm not an expert i'm no i'm not an expert to to to defend us here in studio because we are the only ones who stayed in the studio everybody are in the shelter but we are online we are live so we have to stay here the meaning is that hamas and jihad launching rockets into the center of our biggest cities in israel into a neighborhoods civilians and the only way that the idea for the city officer can protect those civilians is by using this amazing iron dome system intercepting those rockets in the air if you're just joining us now breaking news rockets sirens are sounding in central israel right now that means that rockets have been sent from the gaza strip it's day four of the war between hamas and israel rockets are being sent towards tel aviv as we speak there are sirens going off across parts of benebra petaf tikva a heavy barrage in central israel what you're looking at on your screen right now are scenes out of gaza at the same time as we speak to you the israeli air force is targeting hamas sites in the gaza strip these are live images on your screen right now out of gaza here in studio grisha yako bovic kernel in the reserves former head of the civilian department of koget in the idf and our correspondent guy israel what can you tell us guys at least 15 rockets fired by hamas just over the several past several minutes also they say they've targeted the ben guyan international airport that is nothing new that they want to uh do that obviously a strategic point for the hamas terror group and we're speaking about the iran dome about this incredible invention of israel that is intercepting rockets mid-air protecting israeli civilians but um there's a lot of talk these days about the fact that the use of this system was both a blessing and a curse because it has allowed israel for so many years to contain to live with this reality of a murderous terror group that is constantly firing rockets into israeli civilians and those sirens sounding in rishon let's see on east in irus and in petakh tikfa this barrage continues it's coming into tel aviv if you are just joining us right now rocket sirens alerting thousands of people across central israel right now to get to shelters we were speaking to our defense correspondent jonathan reggae if he was in tel aviv he's gone to a shelter we are staying here in studio to continue with the discussion if you can see the glass behind us in the studio our newsroom is empty our colleagues have gone through to the shelter they're waiting until the green light is such as given for people to come out again from shelters hundreds and thousands of people civilians across tel aviv are now waiting in shelters millions of israelis are in shelters now the tel aviv area alone is a million people and we're talking about many other cities many other major cities like ashdol rishon let's see on the most populated some of the most populated cities in israel so we're talking about the fact that iran dome has been saving many lives but it is also allowed israel to live with this reality a reality that has changed on saturday because when a terror group wants to kill israelis eventually when it has the will and the means eventually does so and so israel protected itself with these rockets for so many years but didn't deal with the problem the problem was that a murderous terror group an islamist radical terror group isis like nazi like terror group that wants to kill jews as their main goal continues to thrive in gaza just a mile away from the israeli communities and that reality now will have to change so israel is able to protect itself from most of these rockets obviously that is one of the many threats posed by hamas also by hezbollah and israel knows now that rockets that are aimed at israeli cities will eventually reach those cities and if israel doesn't take care of the problem as it will now with hamas if he doesn't do so with hezbollah it will bear the consequences and i think that is why these days reality is about to change over and about hearing the sirens that are warning civilians to get to shelters and to do so very quickly most people in the country would have apps on their phones alerting them to the fact that they need to get to a shelter one that came through on this particular phone in studio saying enter the protected space and stay in it for 10 minutes in tel aviv south and in jaffa but as we are describing there are many many cities that are being targeted with rockets right now sirens are sounding and the iron dome is intercepting grisha breakdown from a war perspective from a person who's been involved in fighting wars what is happening right now in terms of this escalation it is day four on the war and rockets are coming into tel aviv well hamas are deeply underground hiding like rats and what we see now is the plan okay the implementation of the plan that they planned with iran and hezbollah it means those rockets are probably located a few weeks or few months were located on the ground before the operation or underground tunnels and so they will be able to launch them and and they are trying to lead something that we will see the first signs of it the following week what hamas declared right now and i've read it while they launched it's the respond of the resistance towards the state of israel because of the fact that the idea is bombing houses of civilians it means they are trying to create an equation of if you bomb our civilian houses we will do the same to you they are trying to justify okay what they are actually what they've been doing for the last 15 20 years actually what we will see from now and on and when the moment hamas will understand that they were probably sacrificed by iran on the altar we will see huge big moves of hamas and some of their supporters all over the world to create the legitimacy to israel or toward israel so we will not have the legitimacy to continue with the operation inside gaza so we will see those rockets launched again and again and again the following days and weeks and we will see our abilities with our technology in iran them intercepting the let's say the most of the rockets but of course some rockets will fall or fail and we hope that there will be no casualties right now where sirens have sounded alerting residents alerting as guy alluded to in total millions of israelis right now who are going to shelters why because they only have a limited amount of time to get to safety picture this if you are in your flat your apartment with your elderly relative if you are in your home with your baby if somebody is asleep right now if somebody isn't well if you are in a hospital you have a certain amount of time a very very short space of time to get to a shelter if you are lucky you may have one in your apartment it may be a closed-off room in your home if you are in an older large apartment building you may be running as we speak down flights upstairs racing to get to a shelter if you are driving right now in central tel aviv and you hear sirens you have to stop your car you have to get out of that vehicle on the side of the road and you have to lie down cover your head and wait if you see a child you will see adults in the footage that you will see lying on top of children to protect them sometimes children people don't even know but if you see a child lying on the side of the road terrified adults will run to them and cover them protect them potentially from a rocket potentially from falling debris potentially from shrapnel this is happening in tel aviv this is happening in the last few moments grisha can a ground invasion in gaza stop this kind of scenario from playing out it depends what will be the scale of this invasion okay so what we see now since yesterday the shift from defense to attack and i think that i've been 30 years in the idf this is nothing okay nothing from is similar to what is happening inside gaza with the strikes that the air force the amount of bombs that have been thrown gaza i live near gaza so my house shakes okay every every half an hour from the from the from the from the from those booms on the border bethanu neighborhood the majority is destroyed so jaya neighborhood destroyed betlahia destroyed the center of gaza rimal destroyed el porca neighborhood destroyed and i think that everything is being prepared for a ground entry to gaza now how will it look like it depends it depends on the decisions the operation of decisions that will be taken by the commanders of the idf it depends on the outcomes of those air force attacks on gaza and it depends of course on the respond that hamas will probably continue and the following week against israel i'm going to say something because we speak a lot about israel's war against hamas and one word that is not mentioned here is palestinians and as difficult as it is to say hamas is made up of palestinians hamas is the ruling group over the gaza area it is the most popular group among the palestinians both in gaza and in the west bank the only reason mahmud abbas is still in power is because israel enables that and because there are no elections in the gaza strip but most surveys point to the fact that hamas is the most popular group in the palestinian territories the same hamas group whose ideology is to slaughter women and children i've yet to see the condemnation from palestinian authority president mahmud abbas to that slaughter of children and women and elderly in these kibbutzes to shooting cutting off their heads burning them alive where is the condemnation for the palestinians where is that yes there have been crimes by israelis in the past i always heard israeli prime ministers defense ministers condemning attacks on palestinians we've seen israelis who committed these crimes in prison where is that from the palestinians why don't we hear that we want to find out exactly what is going on in tel aviv let's go to our correspondent robert swift robert siren sounding just a short while ago people dashing to shelters what can you tell us that's correct we're at the iqilov hospital here in tel aviv we had actually come here to to report on the blood donation drive which continues behind me as you can see but just a few short minutes ago that all had to stop and everybody in this building made their way quickly to the shelters as the alarms went off for a rocket alert siren again here in tel aviv the first of today's so give us an idea robert of what happens when that siren happ