And here we are live again this weekend on The Metal Voice and with us again, Alan, who do we got? Can you hear me, Alan? I said, Alan, who do we got today? We've got Nick Bocott of Grim Reaper fame and a second time on the show. It's great to have you here, Nick. Yep, honored to be back. I guess you couldn't get a good guess, so you called me as a second fiddle, but I appreciate it.  Well, I enjoyed it too, so thanks for having me back today. Who else to talk about the brilliance of Ingve Malmsteen, Nick Bocott, you know what? He works at Sweetwater, a content creator over there, a big cheese over there, as well as, you know, he also teaches. And Sweetwater, you know, being this, maybe you want to speak to what you do there. I'm what they call a content creator. I kind of don't like that term much. It means I make videos and write articles that hopefully interest people and make them want to buy gear and be interested in artists, yada, yada, yada. But I enjoy it immensely. And my pedigree or my relationship with Ingve goes way back because I was with Marshall back in the day. I was with Marshall for nearly 20 years, so I worked with him on his signature amp, which is amazing, an amazing amplifier, by the way. And I've done several things with him over the years. He asked me to MC a competition he was doing before COVID, where the winner of people from all of the globe came and played in Florida. And winner got to play on the cruise. And Ingve played any jammed with Steve Vai, Rudy, Sazo and Nico McBrain. Oh wow. And I was the MC and it was, it was a blast. You know, I've got to know Ingve as a friend over the years and not only is he a great guitar player, he's a really fun guy to hang out with. I know he has a reputation, but don't believe everything you read on the internet. My friends read on the internet because it's not all true. And yeah, he's funny guy, man. Like he's he has a very dry sense of humor.  He's very driven guy. Like I've interviewed him for sweet war on a couple of occasions and he has a book called relentless and that kind of sums him up. And I think the reason some people think he's hard to deal with is because it's his show. It's his way of the highway. And that's the way it should be. That's not arrogance. It's like, Hey, I'm Ingve Malmsteen. This is how I want to do it. If you've got an idea, good if I don't like it, I'm not going to do it. And the story's over because it's his, it's, it's his life. It's his career. Well, the good news in Canada is that's a great segue. He's come into Canada on March 8, 9, 10 and 11. He's coming into Quebec City on the 8th at La Sousse de la Martinelle. March 9th, Montreal Foune. March 10th, Brass Monkey and March 11th in Toronto at the Rockpilot. And the Brass Monkey is in Ottawa, by the way. And I'm going to put it in the description where he's playing. And we want to get everybody excited, Nick. We really want to get excited. It's a master class that Ingve is doing coming into Canada. And people are super, super excited because it's been a while. When's the last time, when's the last time you saw Ingve? I don't think I've ever seen him. Really? Yeah. Nick, I would make it a point seriously. No, not many to be obsequious towards Ingve. But if you've like hearing the record is one thing, seeing it up close in person is a whole another thing. Cause it's not pro tools. It's not studio trickery. It's just the guy who's really fricking good and dedicated. And it's, he's kind of scary to watch because he, because he makes it look effortless. But by the same time he's, he plays with, he plays with the fury. He unleashes the fury every time. Relentless. Yeah. He's a relentless man, but to watch it up close and personal is really, really something else. So if you've never seen it and you play guitar, just don't let it into that. You let, let it inspire you. I like that. I like that. I like that. You know, Nick, I saw him in 1992 or three, I can't remember where it was. I could not believe what I was seeing and hearing the speed, the precision, each note, you know, full, each full, each note, even though he's, you know how Jimmy Page is kind of sloppy and he's just hitting all the notes and it's very sloppy. This guy precision, precision fast. And these beautiful, you know, neoclassical sort of scales. Yeah. The cool thing about Ingve is that, you know, I've written for Guitar World and other magazines over the years, and he's one of the hardest guys to transcribe because he's playing from here.  It goes beyond that because he's actually playing, he's playing from his heart. Yep. Yep. So he ebbs and flows with the track. It's not like you can't just sit there and go, it would be very hard to program a computer to play what he plays because of the little, little inflections he has and the way he'll, he'll hurry or slow down depending on the emotion he wants to convey. So he's like, he's not a muscle memory dude. It's more than that. He's playing, he's playing from within. Like he calls it unleashing the fury after that wonderful, wonderful effort on the plane, which we will probably shouldn't discuss, but that's, that's, that's what he is, man. It's, and the way I, the way I heard about Ingve was this is going back to like, this would be like 85, I think, or 84, 85. And I was in England. We just finished the, I think it was the, we finished one tour and this was way before the internet. There were no cell phones and guitar player put a Mac put a cover. There was an issue out, which I think had John Fogarty on the cover. Inside the head, one of those black, flexi discs and it was black star off the rising. Oh wow. Oh yeah. And a friend of mine got the issue and he spent literally five hours trying to find me around town. And he went to every pub. And eventually found me at my own singers place and we were playing some primitive video game. And he said, he came in. He's like, look, I'm sorry to bug you because you're having fun, but you have to listen to this right now. We put this flexi disc on and it was one of those. It was like hearing eruption for the first time or, or hearing a Randy Rhodes for the first time. It's, he didn't just reset them. He didn't just raise the bar. He kind of reset it. And the great thing about black star is it's not a fluke. It's just what, you know, it's not his, his one in the lifetime thing that he does that all the time. And it's a great mix of speed, emotion, passion. He knows when to pull back and be bluesy. He'll hold a note. He doesn't play fast all the time. He's got great vibrato. And he's a funny guy. So yeah, his master class should be good. And we did one with him at sweetwater a while ago just before COVID. Yeah. Mentioning it earlier.  And he came in the night before. And we sound check. We have a pavilion outside. And if people were watching Doppler radar, if they thought it was a storm coming across. This is goddamn sound check. Cause he's loud.  And the master class, I had the honor of MCing the master class. So he, like he played a few tracks to backing. And then answered questions and talked about various things playing wise. So. And he is a master. So it's, um, it's, it will be a class from a master, not just a master class by somebody's a master something else. I just wanted to say one thing. And as he was playing in 92 93, when I saw him, he was running around too. He was running around and, and he was playing super fast and super precise. He was just running around the whole stage the whole time. I was like, I can't believe this. I'm like a Neo classical Angus. Well said. Well, the shorts of the schoolboy hat. That's right. All right. I'm glad, I'm glad you said that, Nick, cause that was one of the questions I had for you was, uh, when the first time you heard them, but more importantly, how did his playing influence like Eddie, Eddie's playing influence, the whole generation. And I think English playing influence the whole generation. Rightly or wrongly, because a lot of them weren't playing from here, as you said, a lot of them were just doing, you know, up and down the fretboard. But I mean, I think he's in that class of guitars. Like you said, a Hendrix or a Van Halen. No, I think some, like some, some, like some guitar play, some guitar heroes are transient. If that was, you know, like they, they have their moment then they're gone and they're brilliant. But there are others like the Van Halen's, the pages that Jeff Beck may he rest in peace. The Dimebags, whose legacy remain, you know, and Inve still out there doing it as proven by the fact it's coming to Canada. He's done something like 22 albums thus far. He keeps doing what he does really well. And yeah, he changed the bar. In fact, um, my good pal, um, he says, name dropping shamelessly. Zach Wilde just did a top 11 guitar players for a revolver, which is on YouTube right now. It came out a few days ago. And one of his was Inve and he talks about the fact that Inve's impact was so massive. And I didn't know this. He's got friends, you know, Zach's friends were like Derek Schorinian, you know, the keyboard player and Derek and some other guys told him that when they were at Berkeley as a result of Inve's explosion, various classes were added to the, um, added to the Berkeley School of Music way of teaching because of his neoclassical influence. Yeah. That's amazing. That's truly that. That's when you sort of break the bar.  Guys, we're going to talk about this as we go through the albums. Right. We'll do them quickly, right? Well, they'll go through the albums quickly and you just, and Nick, feel free to add, you know, commentary and me and Alan will throw it out.   I think Nick said the best black star. Right. That's right. Everything that he did following this album is all right there in that one song. That one song, some of that his whole career as far as I'm concerned. Well, actually I would, I would agree and disagree. I think it's, it like it was, it was a great appetizer. Yes. You know, like just like far from the sun is on that as well.  And that record has got a lot of instrumental stuff, but the next three have got a lot more vocal tracks on. And he's, I liked it. He's, he's surprisingly, well, we say surprisingly, a lot of people wouldn't equate heaviness to Ingwe Malmsteen, but he's got some pretty heavy riffs and pretty fast riffs as well. Not just the solos, but some of his riffs are really hard to play. I think, I think what I meant to say was the roots of everything that he did following that, the roots are all right there, the classical influence, everything right in that black star amongst other songs on the album. But I mean, when I, when I went back to listen to that, that's what struck out for stuck out for me is that first, first song, how everything's right there that he's done since. So. I agree. Stay true to himself. How much of Uli John Roth? I mean, I hear a lot of that Scorpion's era sound on let's say a song like and now your ships are burned. Like there's a little bit of Uli John Roth. I'm not sure if that was a major influence of, I think it was to a certain degree. Well, I think you've got, you know, if you talk to Ingevay, he'll, he'll, he'll mention Paganini, you know, from way back when he'll talk about Beethoven Bach, all those classics guys. I mean, yeah, but then you've got people like Blackmore obviously. Yeah. Like Blackmore had an influence because Blackmore like Uli John Roth had a classical leaning as did Mike, as does Michael Shanker, you know, if you listen to some of the Shanker stuff, there's that two tonic classical thing, not the, well, Ingevay Swedish, but it's, it's a very, it's, it's, he's a very European artist. If that makes sense, even though he, you know, he didn't make it till he was brought over here by Mike Varney of Shratton Records in what, in 83, I think to play with Steeler and then Alcatraz. Alcatraz is right. Yeah. Well, reading an interview that he did back in the day, he's, I wasn't influenced by classical music. He was actually trying to play classical music with my guitar instead of a violin. He said, I follow more violins than anything else. So that was a distinction he made early on in his career. So it's not that he was influenced. He was actually trying to play classical music on the guitar. So. Yeah. Because in Paganini was a violinist. So yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. What's interesting too is, sorry, I didn't mean to step on you then, my friend, but like talking of Ritchie Blackmore. I was, I'm old enough and lucky enough to have gone to the first ever Castle Donington, like the castles, like the Monsters of Rock, the first big rock festival in England. And the headliner was where Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow. And then right below them was Judas Priest. And it was a magnificent day, like 80,000 people in the field in a racetrack in England. But there was an interview with Ritchie Blackmore just before that festival. And he said something which is stuck with me to this day. And the question was something like, what does it feel? Don't be froze. He froze there. He froze there. Sorry, it just froze up. Ritchie Blackmore said and then it froze. So Ritchie Blackmore, the question was, what's it like to be such a hugely influential guitar hero? And he kind of sidetracked the question and said, well, I'm flattered to be one. But one of these days, someone will approach the electric guitar with the same dedication and work ethic as a classical violinist. And then we're all in what? And then four years later. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Mr. Malmsteen arrived. Wow. Yeah. And you know, one of my questions, one of the questions when I've interviewed him was his right of passage, if you will. And he started playing guitar after seeing Jimmy Hendrix on Swedish TV after Hendrix died. But then he would go to an uncle's, his uncle's house to practice guitar. And to get to his uncle's house, he had to take a bus, then a train, then another bus.  He would practice on the bus and on the train and on the other bus. And he didn't care what people thought or said or laughed. He didn't care. And that's part of the reason why he is who he is, is that he approached the instrument with the dedication of a classical piano player or violinist. So Blackmore called it pretty well. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. The only thing with this one, it's the production. I still struggled. I went back to listen to it. I still struggle with the production on the rising four cell. I find that Ingve, he didn't quite create the songs in regards to vocal lines. Like the music is down packed. He's got the music. But the vocals kind of like, it was just sort of more like a guest appearance by Jeff Scott Soto than a, you know, Jeff Scott Soto is the singer of the band, even though he plays on two tracks. Even those are great tracks that he sings on. But it feels like he hasn't kind of figured it out yet. What a vocalist was supposed to do. I don't know if he didn't figure out, but I think he wanted to be in, I guess he had instrumental stuff up his, that was his arsenal. But he had a couple of songs, but because that changed on the next record for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But everybody learns and they grow too. And I'm sure even Ingve, he grows and learns and he, you know, that's, that's what art is, you know, repeating and learning and growing all the time. What are their tracks, Nick, on this album, the first one rising force? Did you, that stand out for you? As above so below. Just because it's so, because it's heavy, you know, and the vocal tracks are interesting as well. But for me, like the two big ones are, you know, far beyond the sun and black star, which we're an Ingve set to this very day. Yeah. I think he said, you know, he's stuck with those songs. You'll probably always have to play them. Yeah. Yeah. We're great songs, great songs. Alan, do you want to add anything to that? No, no. No one. Again, I'm a big fan and I'll talk about it later. Some of the other albums, but the Johansson, Jen Johansson on keyboards, I just think he added a whole other element to the band. And he was their ace in the hole. If we can say that he was their secret weapon, I think him on keyboards and the interaction between him and Ingve. We see some examples on this, but I think it's more prevalent in some of the later album. So I would agree with that too.  It's like, listen to the gun and records, the guitar solos. It's also great keyboard solos. Unbelievable keyboard solos. And they're not short keyboard solos either. It's not here. You've got three bars. It's like, go. Yeah. And sometimes they do all, they do all, they do it against each other or they follow the same lead lines and they're playing in harmony. So yeah, it's great stuff, man. It's great stuff. You don't see, you didn't see that happen too often between keyboards and guitar back in the day. So yeah, that's right. And now you have it like in dream theater, it's every song, right? But back then it was very rare. What was it? Yes. I guess deep purple. And yes. Yeah. And you're right. Heep. And I guess, and then ELP because that, yeah, ELP because of, because of Mr. Emerson may he also rest in peace. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was 1984. It reached number 14 on the Swedish charts. Number 60 on billboard 200. And it received the nomination of best rock instrumental performance in 1986. A Grammy Award, a nomination. Oh, that's pretty big for your first album. Right. It's, you know. All right. One more piece of trivia about the first record. Go ahead. Sure. Les, a guy called Lester Claypool was one of the engineers who worked on it. And we now know that was Les Claypool from Primus. Oh, okay. I thought so too when I saw the album, but then I Googled it and they said, no, it's a different one. I mean, what made sense, but yeah. Don't always believe like, well, I'm taking that from those. Sorry. This is another late and great, but one like, like to get ready for this because I realized that I own all those records, but on cassette, I don't have any on CD. So I wouldn't got this. So if anyone's not familiar with Inve, this is the, this is called Inve J. Malmsteen's Rising Force. Your ships are burning. Your ships are burnt. And it's the Polaroid years. So it's got the first four albums and then the fifth album and live album. The, um, Oh yeah. Which is kind of. But Malcolm, the, the wonderful English journalists for Karang and sounds. Malcolm Dome wrote the inner sleeve notes for this. He talks about the fact it's Les Claypool. And I, I'll believe less. I'll believe. Malcolm doke. Malcolm Dome over over fricking Google. I'm sorry. Rest in peace to Malcolm. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, another one. Yeah, that's true. I could tell you this as we leave off on this album. Um, when we were teenagers, me and Alan, suddenly the car, the guitars were all kind of concentrating on Eddie Van Halen. And then when Malmsteen hit the scene in 84, it was like, they forgot about Eddie Van Halen and everybody switched over to Malmsteen. That was the talk. That was the buzz. That's what everybody wanted to learn. And that's sort of, you know, even though Eddie was still big, don't, don't get me wrong. But then the new guys in town kind of thing. Yeah. He had that, that small record, what was it? 1984. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little hit. I'm just saying after it may, things started like heating up on the other side, marching out 1985. When you're later. There it is. There it is. There it is. Again, force. And my first, this was my first introduction to Malmsteen. And I'll see the light tonight with Jeff Scott Soto. Of course there were a video for that. That was quite popular at the time, but Jeff Scott Soto didn't sing. He wasn't in that video. It was Mark Bowles. It wasn't who was singing instead of him. That's a tidbit for everybody out there. Jeff Scott Soto was not in that video, even though he was, he did sing on that song, but it was Mark Bowles, Bowles who actually was performing and lip syncing to Jeff Scott Soto. But, and he was the vocalist on the next record, wasn't he? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You know, don't let it ends a great song. There's just some good, good songs. There's some more Dungeons and Dragons lyrics that may be, which were popular at the time, but I am a biking. That one still stands out to the day. And again, just the, I think like you said earlier, Jim, that's more of a band record. Yeah. The production, I still have, it's not as bad as I remembered, but it's not to the point of some of the later albums. I think the production got better each album. So. I'll add this. He's an Alcatraz. You wanted to do a side project or a solo project on the, you know, sort of as he was an Alcatraz at the time, that was Rising Four's, but now he's out of Alcatraz and he wants to create his own sort of band. That's to your point, Alan. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I agree. Like I'll see the night tonight. I'll see the light tonight. It's a big one. Anguish and fear. I really like. Yeah. On the run again. If you listen to that guitar riff, you can hear some, some blackmore influence. And then there's the Dungeons and Dragons, like you said, disciples from Helen. There's some great stuff on that. And the thing I like about England, especially the use of the way he plays with the keyboard player, is that he can go from heavy to melodic and then back to heavy. And it's sort of, it's, it's catchy. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the songs, what I've noticed listening to the whole four albums, he's got his electric guitar, but he's a lot of times playing classical guitar at the same time, acoustic. And he's following the lead. So it's a, you know, usually you're back in the day besides Grim Reaper, you'd have two guitars and kind of harmonizing, but he does it with an acoustic guitar, along with the lead. It's a whole, you know, he kept doing these layers that were much more interesting, I think, than a lot of the bands were doing at that time. So. Yeah. I really enjoy his arrangement and his sense, his musicality. Yes. There was light and shade. Yeah. That's well said. Yeah. I find that on the run again, could have been a Grim Reaper song, especially sort of the verse portions. That just, to me, just reeks Grim Reaper. Again, you know, maybe because that, that's maybe I'm looking for that. I don't know. Maybe I'm selectively hearing it, but I find it's got definitely a Grim Reaper vibe, especially sort of in the, the verse. No, but I'm sure I influenced him. Or you never know, you never know, Nick, because I hear. Actually, I met him on a, I met him in a restaurant in 85. I think it would have been 85, I think. C, C. He was coming out of the bathroom. And I was going to the bathroom. And I just said, Hey, I just want to say I really don't interrupt you. You're here with your record. I just want to say I really enjoy your record. He goes, I know who you are. I like your stuff too. I always remembered that.  It's like really, he was really polite to me and pretended he knew who I was, even though he probably didn't. So you never know. You never know. What is it when I listened to Dio and Vivian Campbell off the first two albums of Dio, and I listened to the rhythm playing of Inge on this album. I kind of, I see there's, there's a similarity there. Sort of like, it's kind of like a chugging, but I don't know what he's doing with the, the, the chord structure on the rhythm parts. I don't know if you could speak to that. It's like, to me, it's, it's the difference with, it's very European, but one of a better word, like Vivian's Irish. Yeah. So Vivian, Vivian was very sort of, you know, like Vivian, what was sweet savage? It wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were part of the new way for British MML. So it's, it comes from that sort of, that I'm made in UFO, Judas Priest kind of thing. And the same for, I would imagine the same for, in late to a degree, you know, because in Europe, you had the scorpions. You had UFO as well with my anchor and you had bands like, you know, and I'm at bands like I'm made, but I just think it's a very, very European thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, very 80s European. Well, there's a lot of, I hear a lot of Vivian and I hear a lot of Inge in the rhythm and it's sound, you know, I could have been a Dio song just as much as it could have been an Inge song, you know? Of course not in the soloing, that's another story. Right. Just in the rhythm patterns, that's all. Yeah, interesting. Listen to a song like, well, look, anguish and fear. I mean, that would be like a Dio song but insert the keyboard and guitar keyboard trade-offs and, you know, the solos there. Right. Injected in the middle. That's what I hear again. You know, we all hear different stuff. What song stick out for you, Nick? Well, I just said Anguish and Fear is one of the ones that I'm on the run again, just because it's on, yeah. Disciples I really like. And that Viking song as well. Yeah, I like it. And the other interest, there was apparently Polydors ad at the time. Once again, this is thanks to Malcolm Dome's excellent writings that they ran an ad saying possibly the fastest guitarist in the world. That was how they launched the record. I bet they, that makes sense that they did that. Yeah. Oh, he's definitely fast. I mean, it would take, what kind of practice? I used to hear things like, you know, he puts Vaseline on his hands. He greases his hands up and he practices every day. These were the rumors back in the 80s. Because he was playing so fast. It's just practice, right? It's just practice. Yeah, there's no, there's no hack. There's no app for that. It's muscle memory. You know, it's the same as a sprinter. What's it? Hussein Bolt wasn't naturally born to run that fast. He has to work his backside off. Yeah. And he'll warm up for 45 minutes before he runs for less than 10 seconds. And the same with someone like Ingve. They don't just walk on stage and do that. They'll warm up and they have a disciplined, in his case, relentless regime. There's no way just to maintain that level of, you know, just to maintain that level of dexterity. And accuracy, because it's not just speed. It's like, it's two handed thing. Yeah, it's precision, precision. And the showmanship as well is quite phenomenal. He was running around the stage, right? And doing, and being precise, right? And that was before backing tracks where the flavor, you know, of what everybody's doing today, right? So he was doing it for real. You know, you brought up a good point, Nick. I mean, he was criticizing time for technique without soul. And I'm going to go right into it right now. Trilogy is the album that changes that. All right, hold on a sec. Let me just call it out. I mean, I'm listening to the instrumental crying. And that changed everything for me. That shows the soulfulness of his playing. I mean, again, the acoustic, the way it ties in with to the electric, just that song alone, I think is one of his greatest compositions. I just love that instrumental crying off a trilogy. So. Well, I would go back once again to the first thing I heard, the first thing I heard, the thing that impressed me most about Blackstar, which, you know, first impressions, last impressions, was not just the amazing speed, but the emotion behind. Like he starts off, it doesn't start. He doesn't come out of the gate screaming. It's a slow build. And some of those notes he's hitting in the vibrato, that was, you know, that's, that's from here. It's not, it's not, oh, look at me. I practiced for eight hours. I can do this. It wasn't wrote. There's nothing robotic about what he does at all. This album is a testament that not only is he a incredible guitarist, but he can write some really good, memorable and melodic songs too, which that in itself is another art form. Yo, yeah. I mean, you don't remember, I'll never forget. I mean, that's a harbinger of what's to follow on the next album, but you've got stuff like Magic Mirror that's quite catchy. Queen and Love. Queen and Love, even Liar, you know? And then he finishes with the Trilogy Suite, which I mean, right there is all this classical influence and his writings. And again, Ian Johansson is unbelievable on keyboards on this album. So. Yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, the Trilogy Suite Opus 5, that's seven minutes and 13 seconds of brilliant, of brilliance, not just on guitar, but as an arrangement, as a band ensemble. And as you said, the keyboard playing is wonderful too. How many movements? I should have counted how many movements are just in that song alone. A lot. Yeah. Alan, show the album one again, once again. Trilogy. That is the best cover art of Ingeby Malmsteen, out of his 20-something albums. That is the greatest. When does this come out, Jim? Because I actually purchased this. 1986. 1986. What day, what time? Halloween, 31st of October, 1986. This joined my collection. I purchased it. But I mean, we should also give credit to Jeff Scott Soda from the last album, because not only is he a power metal singer, but man, he's got a distinctive tone. But now, enter Mark Bowles, right? This guy. Just keeps carrying the torch. He is like, not only is he a clean singer, but he's got a little raspiness in his voice and he's got the range. Not that Jeff Scott Soda doesn't. Jeff Scott Soda, amazing job. Mark Bowles, amazing job as well. Just different. He's got a sort of a Dawkins style this time around. What's interesting, they dropped the rising force, right? This was just Ingevay J. Malmsteen. No, I think it was rising force up until Odyssey, is it not? I know, but on the album, it's funny how the album cover doesn't mention anything about rising force. It's just Ingevay J. Malmsteen. Yeah. When did the J come into play? Just joking. Well, it goes back to what was it? The Christopher Gaster, as Nigel said, when they did the... The separator from all the other Ingevay Malmsteens of the world. That's good to hear again. That's the separator from all the other Ingevay Malmsteens. Yeah. Brilliant. And then he said, I heard him play and I put my guitar down and he used it as a coffee table. Yeah. It's funny, classic lines. We remember them 40 years later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are my lungs. These are my lungs. All right. What else in trilogy?  Well, Alan pretty much ticked my list.  You don't remember, I'll never forget. And trilogy suite, you know, the trilogy suite is amazing. And we're also entering an era of hair, glam, you know, this big sound, anthemic, a lot of reverb. So that's kind of like he's also moving with the times, in a sense, on this album. You know, of course, he's got his own stamp. Yeah, I think like Ingevay, he moves with his. He moves with the times, but they're not. His songs are not as simple as you might think. They they aren't cookie cutter, like a lot of the songs. Yes, that's right. That's right. Like he's got key changes up the wazoo in a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. But but but not at the expense of the overall melodic impact and structure of it. So you listen to the song go, oh, that sounds that's really cool. Then you go, my God, that's really complicated, though. Yeah. And again, I think this was his most mature album up until this point when it was trilogy really built on each album. He seemed to have built on it and become more complete as a songwriter as well. So yeah, one thing we got to remember is in the 84 he was 21. Wow. Wow. Yeah, you know, so he prodigy. Yeah. What was Alan doing at 21? He was doing anything close to success of this, that's for sure. Nick, how old were you when you had a little bit of success there in that in Graham Ray Bird, the early, early, early days? What we our first success was really but like back in the back in the good old days before the Internet, all that stuff, like when heavy metal started getting popular, thanks to people like Saxon and Iron Maiden, the new wave, if you will, magazines like Karang. Well, no, there were the weekly newspapers. There was a weekly newspaper called Sounds, which had an article, Jeff Barton, who went on to create Karang. There was Melody Maker and New Musical Express and Sound started the charge. They started running a heavy metal chart based on local DJs in big clubs and then the other two followed suit. So our first sort of success, not financial, but I we actually got it before Steve was in the band, like we actually got we would send stuff out to these guys and they would actually play it and then put it in their charts. Wow, which is which is what got us attention, which is why Karang paid attention as well. So these guys are in the heavy metal charts. There must be something going on here.  Neil Kay, correct? Yeah. Well, Neil Kay was the guy that started it all off. But then there were there were people like the Bailey, but there were there were people in all every town had a Neil Kay. OK. Like, yeah, Neil Kay was the the other like the headbanger, the initial headbangers. He was he was the headbangers ball before there was a headbangers ball. In fact, I thought I might have mentioned this in the last time we taught. Neil Kay got so big, because it is that he he did a tour. As a DJ and he had the big band was a band called Rage, who used to be called Nuts, N-U-T-Z. But the two opening acts were an unsigned Iron Maiden and an unsigned Saxon. Wow. Yeah. And I saw them play Manchester, U-Mist, which is Manchester University Institute of Science and Technology. But unsigned unsigned huge bands opening for a DJ. And just just they must again, they must have been just the summarizing and what everybody was feeling at that time, those two bands, I would think. Yeah, which is why they, you know, deservedly went on to Saxon never got the success that made and did, you know, in America.  I would not want to follow those guys live. No, you know, I've become good. I've become good friends with Paul Quinn over the years. And yeah, they like they they played the they keep it true, first of all, that I did the Steve tribute hat. They were the headliner on the Saturday and their set was flawless. Yeah. Yeah. Powerful as was Diamond Heads, by the way. Another great band. Yeah. You know, Nick, just like me and Allen in the Americas, we'll say we grew up sort of at the golden age of metal watching you guys. Right. You grew up sort of at the birth of heavy metal in, you know, the UK. I mean, that must I mean, we could talk about this for like an hour. Yeah.  Well, you can write heavy stuff that's three minutes long and really catchy. And they have to play on top of the pops. That was freaking great.  Did you ever see the Sex Pistols? I have. I didn't see them the first the first ever Grim Reaper. Well, I didn't see them, but I saw I list I saw them on the Ogre whistle test. And I was so because they basically sound like like a heavy metal band with a with a punk singer. So I have Anakin UK on EMI. OK, yeah. So I so I bought that single before they dropped the like before they got dropped because of their TV fiasco. Oh, well, I was brilliant. There's a chance I prize you. Yeah. But then it was that it was the it was the the. There was a guy called Bill. This was before the bill bill. Yeah, I go Bill Grundy. Yeah. And he was I thought you guys were supposed to be outrageous. And they didn't have any time delay or anything.  Sorry. It was great. So anyway, but the first Grim Reaper show in America. However, we opened for a band called Check It Past in in when did we in in Boston? And that band was that was Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols with the rhythm section from Blondie and Michael Desbar singing them. Oh, my gosh. They were great. Yeah, you know, Neil Kay has been on the show. And let me tell you, every time we talk to him, it's like a two hour session. Of course, the knowledge and the things that he's done for the birth of heavy metal, shall we say? He's got a book out, basically. So he's he does and he's I'm glad he's getting the credit he does. He deserves because, you know, when when he was big enough, when when someone like him takes out and unsigned, I made the non-signed sax, that tells you something. Yeah, I call my uncle. Yeah. You call him. He calls me his nephew. I've never met the gentleman, but I've got to have nothing but time and respect for him because like he was one of the he was a an evangelist extraordinaire. Unbelievable. Who would have thought, like you said before, a DJ could lead a movement like that. It's just it's just unbelievable. Well, spear spearhead. Yeah, because I think the movie was happening regardless in England, right? No, no, he was he was driving it, though. He was driving it. He was he was he was creating a place for these people to congregate, these fans to congregate. He he he he's responsible for the one in the in the in the 80s. They would have heavy metal discos. Yes. Yes. That was not an oxymoron. It was it was a great thing that every club worth salt had a heavy metal disco. They'd have a heavy metal DJ. And they'd have air guitar competitions. And it was the whole yeah, it was the whole it was a movement. It was that it was wonderful. It was wonderful to have to have been a small part of because it was it was it was a game changing time for a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's go. But yeah, back to Mr. Back to I guess the fourth album, we're we're back to Rising Force. Rising Force. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Let us see ours. Now things are really changing.  And what a what a you know, I look at this out in like from Rainbow, right? Going from Long Live Rock and Roll with Dio and singing about the gates of Babylon to Down to Earth or Graham Bonnet.  Not that it's a bad album. This for for what it's trying to attempt to do is a great album. And as we're getting a mature singer like Joe Lin Turner, who's who fits these songs perfectly and like a song like Heaven Tonight.  There's a few songs I think could have been on trilogy on this album, some great instrumentals.  But for me, it's a much more. It's almost a departure of what he's done up until this point. So they all said, Alan. I think you just checked all of Nick's little boxes. Well, the question I would have for Nick is, would you find this overly commercial or is just well, you know what? What what what was interesting for me is that like to me, it was the logical succession. It was the logical success of the trilogy, if that makes sense. Yes, because you don't remember on the forget and also Queen of Love. They started studying it and it was and it was also your trilogy was his first top 50 record in America as well. And as good as Jeff and, you know, Mr. Beals, where or bowls, I'm not sure how you pronounce it. The the the marriage of YGM and JLT, you know, Ingve and Joe Linterna. There was something magical about that is the voice fitted. Yeah, the voice fitted really well. You know, Heaven Tonight was a hit. But you've got some you've got songs like Deja Vu. You've got songs like Dreaming, Tell Me, then Crystal Ball, which starts mellow, goes heavy. Then you've got, you know, opened with Bite the Bullet, which was pretty heavy and fast. That's a song that can definitely be on trilogy. And then then Krakatoa talk about brilliant instrumentals. That's another one. So I really enjoy that that album to me.  You're back. So I purchased this on August 20th, 1988. So it must have been right around the time it came out. It came out April 8th, 1988. I mean, maybe in Canada was a little delayed. You never know how these things work, but the official launch date was. And the title track Rising Force. That's a that's a heavy, heavy song. No, it is. I mean, that's that's. And that's one of the things I think so great about the. Like for me, you know, when when you guys asked me like to like to do this, I did a recap. So when I realized it was all on Tricking Cassette, I wanted to get I've been meaning to get this this sort of political years thing anyway, like your ships are burning. And the biggest content I can give. That era of of Inge is I just let I just let the whole thing roll through. I did. There was no track to maybe want to go. I want to skip this. Right, right. Well, it all fitted really well. And I was pleasantly surprised because I was expecting some moments of the others to one. The only time I jumped was to go back and listen again. Right. Another good point. That's a really good point. That's a great point. But they're very well put together records of, you know, those albums flow really well. And as, you know, as as you correctly pointed out, the first album was more of a side project. And then it grew into this. And what a career, man. And a great sounding album, a Jeff Glicksman that produced it, engineered by Steve Thompson and Mike Barbiero, who went on to do Tesla. Just the great sounding album. And reading Bob Dasey, our friend Bob Dasey plays on a couple of tracks, too. So everybody's favorite bassist. But Dasey came in who's no slouch. But there's something about the the Joe Linterna, Ingwe. Marriage was fitted really well. And but the great thing is, once again, like this, this. He managed to he managed to walk that fine line between commercialism and keeping the keeping the guitar hero fans happy as well. But not selling out like there's still that near there's a heavy neoclassical influence. And some of that stuff, it just like forget the solo. Some of those riffs are hard to play to play as well as he plays them. That's such a good point. Yeah, memory is the last instrumental. I mean, it's a great, perfect blend again of classical keyboards, metal sounding and just shredding is all part of it. It's a great way to end the album. He accomplished what Dream Theater is always trying to accomplish. Somewhere between technical and melody and just sort of fusing them together where anyone could listen to like your wife, who just like, you know, melodic music. Yeah, or somebody who's really technical and loves the skill portion of it. You can listen to it and you'll hear different things. And the thing about the thing I like about like like when he gets technical, it's never at the expense of the musicality. Yeah, exactly. That's a good. Yeah, that's right.  Well, that was in 1716 and use this this this arabic scale from mixed with a Japanese scale and it doesn't sound like music, but it's really impressive technically because it's hexatonic or whatever. Yeah, it's he doesn't go that route. It's not it's like it's not he never went. But one for better word, he's not mad. Ingve never did anything even vaguely equated to math rock. I like math rock. And and reading Bob Daisley's thoughts and his remembrance on on this album. It was right at a time. He said it was a little hard to get started because Yngwie had wrapped his jaguar around a tree or something at the time. And he was almost he mentioned in his book that he was actually in a coma. Yeah, he was in a coma. I think that he hurt his hand, but he managed to pull out of it because even if you fast forward to his album today, his last album, the speed is still there. The technique is still there. The melody is still there. He's still chugging along. Like you said, he, you know, he he's relentless. He's relentless. Yeah. And he's and he's doing it. I love it because he's doing it on his terms. Yeah. And he's still Ingve J. Malmston. You got to have that, J. You got to have that, J. Highest Charning album or Ingve's highest Charning album in, I guess, in the U.S., we'll say. But I think he did well everywhere with this record, I think. It's a perfect album for 1988, I find. Yes, I would agree. Yeah. All right, guys, now that we've kind of like went through all the albums, how would we rank them just for fun? And we'll all take turns. I guess we'll start off with Alan. We'll leave what we'll do is for suspense. I'll go to the Bible and I'll tell you how they rank in the Bible. I was surprised. There's a I was very surprised by the ranking in the Martin Pop-Up Stop 500. So and then we will go to what the people are who are watching, how they would rank them, because I did a little poll right on YouTube right before we started. And I can see how they're ranking that way. But let's listen to what Alan has to say first. And then we'll turn to Nick. Well, for me, for me, trilogy was a game changer. It was something that was much more mature, like I said, the instrumental crying. You can hear the soulfulness. It wasn't just all about speed. They coaxed the guitar playing. Unbelievable for me. So I would rate that number one. I think, you know, marching out is this one that everybody kind of latched on to right away because it was the way he was playing. And it was, you know, full songs. It wasn't just instrumental like the first album. Odyssey was perfect for its time. I loved every song on that. I think I would say Odyssey would actually be number two in March. Yeah, it would be number three. And then the first one for me, I got it. I got that's actually the last Balmsteam album I purchased. It might be his first album was actually the last one I purchased. And it was a great list. And I'm glad I went back. It was a lot better than I remember it. The production, like I said, still I still have struggle with. But overall, the playing and the roots of everything that follows is right there on that first album. So you're saying Rising Force one because I'm confused. You can't really get number one is Trilogy, Odyssey, marching out and then Rising Force for me, first one. Trilogy. That's a big one. You know that when you look at when you go online and you look at the fan favorites, the sort of the ranking of all the albums, Trilogy seems to always be like number one or number two. So it really is a fan favorite. Nick, let's go to the let's go to Yoda right now. The Yoda of all guitars, all things metal and guitars. Might more like Yogi Bear. It's a tough one because like the I have a rising force had such a huge impact on me because it because I got that when it you know, once once my friend played me that plastic disc, I went and bought it and it was a huge game changer. Like, you know, as good as the other records are, Rising Force has it was just a kind of like Van Halen one Van Halen ones. My favorite Van Halen album is number four. Yeah, like fair warning. And it's and it's but and it's a very close. It's a very it's it's winning by a by a by literally a neck. But Van Halen one was the one that impacted me most. So in terms of impact on me, I would have to say Rising Force. I would choose I would put number as number one just because of the in just because of the I remember where I was when I heard that damn Black Star song. What was your put as number two? I would put as number two trilogy. Look at that number three. I'd like to preface all this by saying if there's a finish line, all four records would be they would be in a straight. The air that we don't have. I got it. Don't worry. There's no freaking like there's no guy coming around the last bend. Like they're all right there. And I probably put honestly, just because there's something about the part of me and I hate to say this because it's because I think Mark Bowles is the singer is great. I would have loved to have heard because if you listen to the what's what was the live album called? There was a live album that came out right after that right after and had Joel Interner on it. Yeah, it's called Trial by Fire live in Leningrad. And it really is the best of the first four records. Yeah, I remember that album. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's it's got the all the tracks we've mentioned are actually on that on that record. But Joel, in turn, is singing that stuff. Yeah, I don't mean wishes he was on trilogy as well, just because for my personal years, there's something about his voice with Inve and then I then I put marching out as the very close number four by hair by hair. All these are by hair. Yeah, yeah. These are just his first four albums when I even talk about his old catalog here. Right. So this is the rising force here, as we'll call it.  I don't know if you listen to them all today. Just one after one after the other and I had a hard time. I really had a hard time with Odyssey marching out in trilogy. I just I just OK, this is my favorite. No, no, this is my favorite. No, no, that's my favorite. I kept switching back and forth. But I would say there's something magical about Inve and Joel and Turner. Yeah, it's sort of he was trying to get there and he got there finally. So I would put that as my number one. I don't disagree with that. Yeah, he got there. He finally got to the point where he's mixing organic with technique and heart and soul at the same time. And songwriting and songwriting. Yeah, and then marching out because I just love the power vocals of Jeff Scott Soto. And I think there and marching out is what you said, Nick. It's a heavy album and I kind of like that. He was more of the Iron Maiden and deal over there instead of the docking. So I kind of like that trilogy. I think is one of the most underrated Malmsteen albums out there. Way high up. I put it as my third because I think, again, it's it's similar to Odyssey. Maybe one step below, but very close and Rising Force. I'm not a guitarist, right? So it's hard for me to sit there and listen to all the songs when there's no vocals. Yeah. But I can respect it for what it is, sort of a game changer. That's it. We'll go to OK. So this. OK, go to pop off. Then I'll go to every metal albums we've got here. This was voted by the fans. OK, so. Trilogy comes in a number two hundred and ninety three out of the top five hundred marching out at two number two forty five. And the highest ranking Malmsteen album on there goes back to exactly what Nick said, Rising Force comes in at number one oh one out of the top five hundred. So that that shows the influence that he that album had on a lot of people, especially guitarists. So yeah. OK, now I'm going to go to the live poll and things off. At the number one spot at thirty five percent is Rising Force. See that that proves it. Yeah, it's a game changer, right? I guess it's just a number two would be Trilogy, which is a shocker in itself. Right. Trilogy. It's just this love for this album of the years, then marching out and then Odyssey, which is weird. But again, you know, you're talking about small percentages. Yeah. So it could depend on your mood. Like I said, mine was purely. Yes, I remember what that did. And it's what it's what. And that's the. Actually, what Malcolm, Malcolm Dome as a tribute to Malcolm, he said something at the start of this, which I think was quite profound. And see if I'm right. I love his writing. He was a great writer. Malcolm was one of was a big champion of grim reaper and a lovely guy. He said. Guitar heroes tend to be transients with the exception of the pioneering greats from Page, the Clapton and Blackmore, they usually have. I have something that a massive impact. There are too many of them. There are too many of them to have any lasting impact. But Ingve Malmsteen is a major exception to this rule. And that's well put by Malcolm, because, yeah, Malmsteen did change things in the same way. You know, Eddie.  Yeah. Then, you know, Mr. Van Halen and Randy. And then there was a bunch of other great ones in the 80s as well that I love. And then then Malmsteen comes along and blows the doors in a different direction. Who would you say is the future of guitar? That's that's the question that I'm I'm I'm hoping I'll find that person tomorrow. OK. All right. There's no because there's no because the thing that the thing that gets the thing that I find fascinating about all the people I've just mentioned. It wasn't just the playing. It was them as people, them as artists. It's not just about how many notes like like Dimebag Darrell, for example, one of the most beloved human beings to have ever picked up a guitar. The same with Van Halen, it was that smile. There was some they weren't just they weren't just great players. They were great performers. They were great entertainers. They were that all of those guys were the whole enchilada, I guess. You know, look at Jeff Beck. He was still going 70 something remark. Yeah. And I don't it's a different world now, unfortunately. There are lots of great players. I've heard lots of great players, but the guys that move me, maybe it's because I'm a whole, you know, I haven't heard a new. I haven't heard an hour holds with you. I haven't heard a new Eddie. I haven't heard a new Dime yet.  What was that? Time to rethink. Or maybe everything's been done, right?  Well, you know, I'm I'm the eternal optimist, so I'm hoping that that person has just been the hardest now is it's, you know, with like YouTube and the YouTube and Instagram and Tik Tok and it's it's becoming in this is nice, wasn't it? Which is one of Lemmy's great sayings. Like the OCD, like the OCD, the OCD that's out there and the attention spans and people's desire to like to watch something for more than 15 seconds. I mean, I listened to Inve Moustine for however long those four albums are back to back today and I listened to the live record and there was no urge, the only urge I got to touch a button was to go back and listen to a track again, not to jump one and that's a testament to like his legacy really. Yeah, I think we're at a very disposable world, right? Where the internet and the Tik Toks just, you know, it just it's in and out in and out in and out where in the olden days we used to look at the back of an album cover and just imagine who this person was and this mystique and you'd be happy if you read one article about, you know, that player or that band and, you know, in Krang or whatever magazine it was and it was just a joy just to really read it again. There's very little information. It was all a mystique and when you got to see them, well, you never meet them. That would be another thing altogether, right? There was no meet and greets.  So things are changing, but I agree with you.  I'm just waiting for I'm just like I'm looking forward to it because it's because it's overdue, to be honest with you. Yeah, I would say the last in the hard rock realm to me, the last great guitar hero. And if you do the math, you'll probably agree with me. The last significant guitar hero was Dimeback. Yeah, it was a while ago, too. Yeah, it's because he was the only guy to emerge in the 90s. Everyone else people. Well, what about Zach Wilde, 87? What about Kurt Heimann, 84? What about what about what about what about 80 something slash 87? Yeah, John, John, five, maybe. John, five, but he's like our age, too. Like five's been around forever, man. Yeah, yeah. John's been John's John's an old school guy now. I got him out of David Lee Roth album downstairs. Yeah, he was with David Lee Roth. He was with Mr. Halford. Yeah, he's been he was on Baywatch for Christ's sake. Tom Morello was in the late 80s, right? Yeah, the rage against the machine. We're overdue. We're overdue. He's been born right now. Or she or, you know, then Neeta Strauss, right? She's out there. Leaders that Neeta, leader, leader, leader and leader. Yeah, they always get those two confused. But yeah, but yeah, brilliant. But yeah. But like a Malmsteen level player. You know, we're talking game changer. Yeah, she's she's great. You're right. She she didn't. It is amazing. Like, you know what? The one thing I hate about people who met Neeta. She's a great female guitar player. No, she's a great guitar player period. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.   Voivod, Chewie and Voivod. I think if you ever heard of Chewie and Voivod, yeah, yeah. Of course, yeah. His tone, his style, he's trained. He's just he's incredible. He's just to me, that's probably one of my favorite guitarists in this era. We'll call it, you know, right? No, that interview I found a Malmsteen. It's funny because you just mentioned his name. He said the closest guy that came to playing like a violinist was Alan Holtzworth in that interview that a Malmsteen gave years ago. And Holtz, Holtzworth was Eddie Van Halen's favorite guitar player. And if you've ever heard him play, you'd know why, because it's just unbelievable. Unstaggering, staggering and a funny man, too. And you got Orianthi, another great guitar player. Yeah. But then again, she's from the Alice Cooper camp, right? Yes, which has been a while. She's she's she's again, she's been around, right? She's not. Oh, a Kira Takasaki. But again, he's from the 80s. He's a Kira Takasaki. That's Alan's favorite guitarist there right there. This is Tony Iomi. Although that's something. Oh, yeah, Tony Iomi, that guy. What's his name, Tony? Angus, someone from. Yeah, yeah. Like it moved to Australia. I mean, that's one of the one of the things that.  I'm my age because I witness things that will never happen again while they happened. Yeah, I was lucky enough to witness Ben Halen. I was lucky enough to witness Randy Rhodes. We were lucky enough. The dime bags, the Zach Wilds, all of these people that came out and just blew our doors off slash Yada Yada Yada. And now it's sort of like to me, the thrill of the. What was that great motorhead song? Chase is there. The chase is better than the cat and the the chase has been destroyed by the internet. No, it has. There's no sense of discovery and achievement. Yeah, going out there and finding something because you had to work on it. You didn't just go. Oh, TikTok, show me this call. My new favorite band is and then. But but but YouTube is also done. It's sort of up the game in sort of technique because now because back in our day, you had to put a record on it to bring it back and put how did you do that? OK, let's see. OK, let me. What was that line? Now you have actually tutorials on YouTube teaching singers how to sing, guitars how to play, bassist how to play, drummers how to play. You have this information that nobody had at their fingertips. And now you could be a YouTube, you know, a student, a student of YouTube. And, you know, you could be a plumber, actually, from YouTube, or you could do anything you want from you. So it's up the game and sort of technique, but the heart and soul is not there. But I think it's it's it's up the technique. It's dumb. The. It's dumb. To me, it's nullified the satisfaction of working of, you know, we still kill the most like great someone or something. We still kill the old old way. It's still I encourage my students to try and learn something just by listening to it. Yes. Don't go to the songstrum. Look at don't look at someone else's interpretation. If you're going to watch anyone play it, watch the artist you're trying to emulate. If you want to learn a Metallica song, find video of Metallica playing it, not some hack like me playing it. And use your ears. Use your goddamned ears. Yes. Yes.  Like I still got opening wasted level of intro is still ripping my head off to this day. So. Oh, well, thank you, etch. And one thing I should and I'm trying to think what song it's from. It might be from. Hold on. Let's see. What song do I steal it from? What song that I steal it from?  There's a tiny section in the. In the in the our lust for freedom solo, which I took, which was a straight lift in a different. It was like two bars. I took it from us as above us, but so below. I took that from Rising Force. I took it from the album. It's OK.  And he lifted from you. Don't worry about it. It's a brilliant hapegio. There you go. Well, I know it's a lot of fun. Yeah, Nick, Nick, it's been a pleasure. And you know, we miss Steve, we miss Steve. You know, it's it's still shocking that he's gone. But it's music and your music with him.  Well, thank you, sir. And thank you for doing what you guys do, too. Because that was a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm glad you're feeling better. He's glad we're able to do it today. So yeah, so and to my Canadian friends listening to this, if Ingvi is within 50 miles of your house doing a master class, do so, please. If you like guitar playing, go watch the man. Fifty kilometers. Yeah, kilometers. Yeah. But but but in the UK, isn't it kilometers? Well, you're not in the UK. You're in the States. So forget about that. Yeah, forget about it. March the eighth, Quebec City, March 9th, Montreal, March 10th, the brass monkey in Ottawa and March 11th, the rock pile in Toronto. Nick, thank you so much. We'd love to have you on again. Yeah, we're done with friends. Thanks, buddies.


How'd you sleep last night I slept okay?  He was watching mm-hmm watching So that's basically how our night went the power also went out and day in the adventure bus because I forgot to hit the switches and Charge off of the engine yesterday. Anyways That being said we are in for a treat up in the woods Up there is a gigantic like Boeing jumbo jet It's one of the coolest places. I've seen on Instagram I guess what we're gonna go inside and check it out and we're gonna talk to the dude who converted it into a house so Let's go take a look Do you get a plane of here man? Oh looking here's the the engines Yeah, these are the The turbine engines They're all hollowed out nothing inside. Look. There's another part over there a plane This is so crazy. He's got like some kind of plumbing system right there Some more over there in the corner. That's a fursuer or a septic system septic tank I Can't believe he's just balancing this thing on Railroad ties That takes some balls right there. I don't know about do that. He's probably just inside the plane watching. I wonder if Well, this could be the front door actually I've never actually never been this close to an aircraft before So There's a wow That's what the wing compartment looks like This is so crazy. This is so awesome. I Don't know what that is.  Hi. I'm jacks. Hi jacks. Wow Look all these lights This is so cool You know we came up here in a converted school bus and I thought my conversion was cool But this is like next level this well, you're yeah, but yours goes places. That's cool Well, well yours could but you just got to fill you know Yeah, yeah, you got to get a good tow truck up here Wow It's so interesting. There's all the oxygen tubes still in there some of the insulation This is the cockpit What he's got that turned into like a little TV screen or something right there would be cool. It'd be cool if you had some video game controllers in the place of the Yeah, the cockpit controls This is pretty awesome. Looks like a functioning toilet right here as well This is so cool. You are seriously my new hero. I love this. I absolutely love this Yeah, so we were wondering how on earth did you get this thing up the hill? I'm guessing in pieces Oh, yes Uh-huh Where do you buy an old jet from the air lines are a little bit like rental car companies They buy jets they didn't like real car companies by cars. Yeah, and then after The vehicle has reached what they consider its retirement age even though it has useful life remaining They have their used car department and they sell them to the high spirit. How on earth did you come up with this idea in the first place? I'm not the the original trailblazer But I was a kid I saw the videos of the boneyards that the death camps where aircraft go to Yeah, to be parked wingtipped to fuselage and you can see them just as far as the eye can see Mm-hmm, and I was just a kid And I had a swing set in the backyard and and I saw these videos of all these cool aircraft And so you know that you're your kid natural thing you think is wow nobody's using them Why can't I have one of put in the backyard? It's so much better than the swing set Be a great club house. I did not want a mortgage I didn't want to live under the under the thumb of some kind of debt Mm-hmm. So I purchased this land and paid for it as fast as I could which is two or two and a half years I already had an old ratty mobile home. It wasn't too ratty actually But it was very cheap when I purchased it used and yeah, I moved it up here as soon as I could my expenses went down to Almost zero no single. Yeah, all I needed was food and electricity and Gas from my car when you're young you tend to be afraid to do anything different at that point in my life I thought of it in terms of material science and Fabrication technologies and then basically the way I saw it and I'm an engineer too. So the way I saw it is from an engineer's perspective What is the finest fabrication technology which is big enough? I can live in an aerospace technology easily wins call the airlines They dispose of their aircraft to anyone who pays a dollar more than the other guy Mm-hmm.   Thank you so much for having us All right, let's keep in touch. You're amazing. Just want to say thank you And thank you For today that was awesome This was seriously one of the best finds ever seriously Well, you know what the good times just keep on coming I know This is great and also let's everybody go over to Josh and Cody's channel but in reverse and Thank them for getting so many subscribers to my channel our channel because it's you and me It's ours. So you guys are awesome for doing that. These guys are seriously like making a career for me Who wants to go eat say hi So we're just making our way back towards the ocean and We're gonna such a rad place There's like a full-on spring on the side of the road where you can fill up your water bottles And it looks like people are throwing trash in there, too But this stuff is pretty clean and it just goes right into a little creek right here. So Even though I'm not particularly Thirsty, I feel like I should like drink something So here we go Dude, that's so good Definitely no drought conditions here. They're just have so much water.  It says like no goonies parking So we're just gonna walk up and take a quick peek and then and then take off probably hit Washington We didn't know we're gonna hit watching the grocery store tomorrow tomorrow Dude, we found those epic grocery store There's the goonies house The whole house was blue tarp like the owners took tarp and threw it all over the house I mean the whole house look ugly. So no one could take picture of the house That's how bad the owners was just so upset about this whole situation going on I feel like this is a like a failed opportunity a failed investment opportunity by the owners of this place Because this could be like a freaking tour stop, you know Like a tip jar or something.  Like out of your way if you're like on a road trip from like states and states away Like cuz a lot of people are fans of the goonies movie and there's really not a lot going on here It is a very nice place. They'll get me wrong, but it's just not a place where I Feel like it's like a destination I think it's one of those places that you just kind of pass by on your way to somewhere else Right around the corner from the goonies house is a safe way And the reason I'm pulling in Is because I see a bunch of like RVs parked over here And it's also right next to the water So oh it even says RV parking so I'm just gonna take a wild guess and say It's like chill for overnight parking. I guess we just got confirmation from One of the employees doing the carts that Apparently you can stay here overnight. This is a safe way A grocery store in Astoria And the reason I asked because I wanted This like super killer spot right next to the water and I'll show you it's like Right there Like they could throw a rock in the water. Look at this view Look at how amazing This little spot is so If you're on the Oh, awesome. We got a fan over here. Anyways, if uh if you're crossing up and over over into washington or whatever Um safe way Says that we can park here. There's a ton of RVs and everything and this is why The water it's so nice and not to go on and on and ramble, but um Good places good free places are hard to come by So I just want to let you guys know and uh people up here pretty nice. So come on by Brandon to uh, Brandon, you work over here. Yeah, I work actually at the fuel station right there. Perfect Yeah, I saw I saw you guys as bus because like we've been watching your snapchats and stuff right I saw the bus and I called my wife. It's like, dude, you're not gonna believe it. They explore cruise here. It's like Oh sick, man. I'm actually I'm actually supposed to be working All right. Well high five man. Nice to meet you Please guys That's cool


Everybody Matt here for late in sports car drip in 2022 tops chrome platinum anniversary baseball This is 12 box full case break number three pick your team. We have Barry S. Braves bill B Reds Brian S. Cubs Brian L. Nationals Brody C Rangers Chris L. Phillies David G. Blue Jays Dustin L. A's Edward P. Red Sox Gary H. Brewers Lynn W. Astros Royals Orioles Twins Giants Jacob S. Dodgers Jeff S. Marlins Jim L. Guardians Joshua R. Rays Kathleen J. Metz Kinsuke K. Padres Lewis R. White Sox Matthew B. Cardinals Michael A. Rockies Namql D-Backs Scott C. Pirates Show F. Mariners Tom C. Yankees Way C. Tigers and UGY Angels. All right here we go. It's close super Matt. Yep. It's close super. Reds in both of the last two cases. All right. Super. Super. Oh is it really? Wow. It's your beloved Cincinnati Bengals, right? Miranda Josiah Gray rookie X-Fractor. Sabathia. We'll do a recap of the autos and any mags at the end. It's a 75 Brooks Robinson and Labor Torres. Nina Slaughter. Chorber and Goose. Wander. This is Royals rookie Otto John Heasley Riley Adams and Geolito. Bobby Doerr and Eric Davis. Millie Martin. Refractor. Cormac. Rizzuto. And to 150 River Sand Martin. Rookie Speckle. Reds. Whitey Herzog. Patrick Maseca. Bone. Zach Grinke. Gene Seguro. Mookie Betts. Strowman and Matt Olson. That's Gold Wave to 50. Braves. Ryan McMahon. Alex Wells. Rookie Refractor. Derek Jeter. Here's your rookie, too. So maybe they both are in there and they repeated them on. O'Neill Cruz. Kike. Stargel. Bobby Whit Jr. Rookie. And Andrew McCutcheon. 100. Plummer. Zach Thompson. Louise Heal. Rookie Refractor. Lopez and Wells. Means. Eloy Jimenez. 199. Longo. Platinum. Tual. Tual. White Blue Refractor. On the Jimenez. Mason Thompson. This is Royals to 99. That is Platinum. Tual. White and blue. Rookie Otto. Yvonne Castillo. Nice color match. Rookie Otto. Harold Baines. Yellow Raywave. 250. That's numbered to 250. Not 250. Corey Kluber. Christian Pache. 75. Steve Garvey. Rose Gold. Yo, help. Pozo. Thumbnail on this, Josh Hader. There's a frequent problem in case one. Not a problem that I noticed. Alonzo Refractor. Not a problem that I noticed in case two. Bo Jackson. Connor Wong. Also keep in mind, going through these cards, I don't see the backs of all of them. John Heasley. Rookie Speckle. On here, too. Willie Mays. Seager. Larry Walker. So we have five, five and five to go for the day. Five on cases four and five. Lamont Wade Jr. X Fractor of Tops Chrome Platinum Anniversary and five on National Treasures Football to 100. Josiah Gray. Rookie Red Atomic. Gio Evato. Sorry about that. King Felix. Zach Lothar. Andre Dawson. Scott Rowland. Refractor. Paula Famer. Scott Rowland. Dude, how about that Hall of Fame? Nick Fortes. Rookie Refractor. Do you have airpods? You should watch it and listen on your airpods. Joe Adele. And try not to start sniffling. Trey Mancini. Aqualava. That was good. Lou Brock. Paul Goldschmidt. What's it? Is it Scott Rowland or Nollie Arnotto? Arnotto. Yeah? Yeah. So that just means Arnotto is a Hall of Fame already. It has to be. I think Arnotto is the child of the boat. Yeah. Jack Flaherty. Shane Bieber. Red Atomic. Orson Kelly and Lyle. Hello. Alec Thomas. Bob has that thumbnail. Michael Brantley. I would just say when you get your cards just check the backs of them. Story. Dustin Pedroia. Ronald Acunha. That is 79 of 100. Robbie Ray. Thumbnail. Dale Murphy. David Peralta. Strider. Delgado. Bob Gibson. Thumbnail. Dylan Carlson. Trevor Story. That is Gold Wave to 50. Hosada. Crawford. Bob Gibson. Refractor. Cranky. Chipper. Jay Melendez. Earl Weaver. Speckle. Ronnie Dawson. Jake Cousins. Deckey Matsui. Michael Brantley. Lamont Wade. Refractor. Gary Zuki. Juan Gan. Frontmill Reyes. Aqualovat 299. Not likely on the base cards. Justin Morneau. I don't know. I've never tried to reach out to him over base cards. I can't say for sure. Andrew Bennett and Tindy. Yeah. I don't know. It's unfortunate. AJ Alexi. Orange Wave. Rookie to 25. Another one. Greg Deichmann. Rookie. It just seems to be like kind of in pockets. Like I said, I didn't notice any of them in the last case, but I've noticed them in the first case now in this third. Alby's. Willie McCovey. Refractor. And Red Sox. Rookie Otto. Conor Wong. Jose Berrios. Lopez. Jeremy Pena Rookie. And Albert Pujols. This is 61 of 100. Jackson Kowar. Which one was that, Brian? Yeah. Yeah. It looks like he glued it on. Yeah, he was thinking the same thing. Yeah, AJ Alexi. Jorge Posada. JP Crawford. And Jose Abreu. This is 75. Decking Matsui. Say Salud. Brooks Robinson. Refractor. Ola Naranado. Another one. Greg Deichmann. Mike Moustakis. That is to 199. Elgato. Aranola. Tom Glavin. Refractor. Berrios. Baez. And Hunter Green. This is 100 of 100. That is Rookie Platinum 12 Cream Fuchsia Atomic Refractor. Velocity. What's that? Velocity match. Yeah. Honhel Serpa. Rookie Refractor. Bob Gibson. Front meal Reyes. This is 100. Julio Rios. Castellanos and Strider. Strawberry. Cranky and Lewis. Crawford. Adrian Beltrae. Rostakis and X-Bractor. Kyle Tucker. 75. Kyle Bradish. Rookie Rose Gold. Josh Hader and Dion. Jackie Robinson. Josh Hader. Tommy LaSorta. Marlins. Rookie Otto. Brian De LaCruz. Our oldest Chapman. Adamas and Joe Musgrove. Red Atomic. Adone. Connor Wong. Darryl Strawberry Refractor. Plan. Mark Cullisfari. Rookie Aqua Lava. Hey, thanks for the follow, Adam. Romy Gonzalez. Christian Yelich. Thumbnail on this. Reed Detmers. 199. Roberto Clemente. That is Blue Minidiamonds. Pirates. Nando Tatis. Bernie Williams. Wilson Contreras. So again, if any of you have the 2021 Top Scrone Platinum Anniversary Red Shandies, parallels numbered to five or ten, let me know. There's Andrew Vaughn. Blue Minidiamonds. Jake Hazard, but he won't, he won't sell me one. It's a Magic Matt LSC on Instagram. I'll make sure that I hit you up. Albert Pujols. Ramirez. Bob Lemon. Stephen Kwan. Thumbnail on this. Justin Verlander. Sorry, guys, hate to see these. Jackson Coar. Rookie. Blue Minidiamonds. Royal's Color Match. Luke Williams. Jack Lopez. Moise Salou. Trevor Hoffman. Mark McGuire. X Fractor. Frank Thomas. Luis Aparicio. And Yo-Hel Pozo. That is Red Atomic Rookie. Thumbnail on this. Bo Bichette. Chateau. Billy Williams. Jolito. And Royals. Rookie Refractor Auto. Aqua Refractor Auto to 150. Yvonne Castillo. Off the card there with the signature. Ah, this has a thumbnail. That is a J-Rod Rookie. Krew Ellis. JP Crawford. Aqua Lava to 250. Eddie Murray. Billy Martin. Fox number six. Thompson. Whitey Herzog.  Green Wave. Green Wave goes to 99. Alfonso Rivas. Rookie Refractor. Marcus Strowman. Jorge Mateo. Jackson Reetz. 99. Green Wave. Don Drysdale. Raleigh Fingers. Sabathia. O'Neal Cruz. Rookie Willie Mays. Refractor. Labor. By Morgan. Rizzo Andre Dawson. That's to 100. How'd you like to make him angry? Wander? Yeah, there are a lot of these thumbnail issues. There are a lot in the first case, none in the second case that I noticed. Cedric Mullins. Kike Hernandez. Bryant. Stevenson. It's 25. That's Luis Frias. Rookie. Orange Wave. D-Bax. 25. Derek Jeter. Juan Yepez. Rookie. Bobby Whit Jr. Hunter Renfrow. X-Fractor. Framiel Reyes. Yadia Kunya. And Lou Gehrig to 199. Yanks. LaMayhew. Curtis Terry. It's Tigers. Rookie Otto. Zach Short. Jeff McNeil. And Red Atomic. Key Brian Hayes. Y'all can reach out to Tops to get any cards replaced. I would bookmark this video with 30 spots and only 12 boxes. We don't have enough boxes to check out. I would bookmark it and then keep your order confirmation as a receipt. Tort. Rookie. Scott Rowland. Isaac Hunter-Paleffa. X-Fractor. Stan LeMande. 100. That is Red Atomic. Nice one. Cardinals to the color match. Thumbnail on the Yanni Hernandez. Michael Brantley. Jackie Robinson. Refractor. Joe Perez. Juan Miel Reyes. And to 99. Luis Frias. Rookie. Blue Prism Otto. Arizona once again. Juan Castillo. Jim Bunning. This is to 75. That is Rose Gold Minidiamonds. Keir Lough. Jason Hayward. Raleigh Edgar. Thumbnail on the David Cone. We have three and four to go on Top Scrum Platinum Anniversary. John Heasley. Rookie to 100. Heasley's been all over this case. Three and four on Top Scrum Platinum Anniversary. Four on National Treasures. So just 11 spots left for the day. What's that? It's a quick mess. It's a Torque Rookie Refractor. Nelson Cruz. This is Red Lava. Two of five Nationals. There you go. Congrats Washington. We'll mag this one for you. Three cases. Three Red Lavas. And the man. Kyle Hendricks. Shane Deans. Tyler McGill. To 99. Jackson Reetz. Thumbnail on the Luis Frias. Ozzie Halvey's Refractor. Jackie Brava Jr. and Eli Morgan. This is 41 of 50. Platinum 12. Cream Gold Refractor. Rookie. Austin Meadows. Thumbnail. Yeah. I'm not loving it right now. That's not the flipping around. Dave Stewart Refractor. Griffin Jacks. Vita Blue. X Fractor. Kyle Muller. And to 50. This is Nationals. Rookie Gold Wave. Riley Adams. Tim Reigns. Roll of Scarcia. Adrienne Beltray. Sweet Music. Don Sutton. And Pirates. Rookie Otto. Rowan C. Contreras. Ricky. Luis Frias. Rookie. To 99. Cedric Mullins. Alfonso Rivas. Derrick Lee and Jed Lowry. Thumbnail on the Bo Pechette. Verdugo. And Bo Jackson. That is Red Atomic to 100. Nice Bo. Thumbnail on the J-Rod. Jack Cronamorth. Refractor. Yeah, there has been a lot of for you. Billy Martin. Phil Necro and Phil Necro. Aqua Lava to 250. Trevor Rodgers. Oh, they know. With Merrifield. Refractor. Kevin Smith. Now the sicker autos are not ever going away. Kirby Puckett. Thumbnail there. Jacob DeGramme. That is Blue. 199. And that's Color Matchers. Newt Bar. Contreras. And Adam Wainwright. Tuve. Jair Durand. Thumbnail. If that's the case, then there's not going to be any input ball other than like super high end products. I mean, if you think about it, like, if you're wanting something that's game worn, they play 16 or, well, 17 games a season now, right? Labor Torres to 100. And their cost on getting that stuff is going to be much higher, which means our cost to consume it is going to be much higher too. Mike Zenino. Cunha. Hunter Green. Bernie Williams. 75. Al Kline. Curtis Terry. Dick Allen. Chris Sale. Albert Pujols. And 25. This is Cardinals. Orange Refractor Auto. Paul Goldschmidt. Congrats, St. Louis. Nice Goldie. Yeah, if you're, if the solution is for a company to make less money, then I mean, it's always, it's never going to be an option that's considered, you know. Chris Taylor. 50. Stephen Kwan. Andrew Vaughn. Refractor. Warren Spahn. Yeah, this one's a good mix, I think, of rookie stars and legends. I know none of us are loving the thumbnails on so many of the bottoms of the backs of the cards. Hoipar. Nate Lowe to 100, but still a very solid product. Not paying anything on the parallels or autos. So that's a good thing. Ryan Feltner. Rookie Refractor. Pedro Nolan. Yeah. Jack Lopez. Bryce Harper. Three to go in the next break. We have Brewers, Mets and Rangers. These teams are on sale. Here's a link. Ichiro, River San Martin. Rookie Blue Mini Diamonds. Bob Lemon. Nails Verlander. Kevin Smith. Rookie Refractor. Tyler O'Neill. Kevin Gaussman. X-Fractor. Chateau. To 100. Red Atomic. Dustin Padreuia. Nice one. Red Sox. Connor Siebold. Thanks, Tim. I appreciate it. Belate. Hideki Matsui. Refractor. Judge and Stott. Through Ellis. And this is Twins. Rookie Otto. Curtis Terry. Rookie Refractor Otto. That is to 199. Nice CT2. Big thumbnail on this Roman Gonzalez. Eddie Murray. And Julio Rodriguez. Aqua Lava Rookie to 250. 94 of 299. Mag that one for you. Imperfections are, I assure you, not on purpose. They're the amount of time and money that they spend on customer service due to that kind of stuff. I'm sure they would not incur that expense to protect raids of cards. Jake Berger Rookie Refractor. Like nobody from Tops wanted this to happen. Yanni Hernandez. Andrew Vaughn. And Randy Johnson. That is 18 of 25. Platinum Twal Cream. I'm sorry. Platinum Twal White Orange Refractor. D-backs. Thumbnail on the Cesar Hernandez. Tal Marte. Austin Meadows. Cedric Mullins and Dahlbeck. Brian Miller. Tyler McGill. 250. George Kirby. Rookie Yellow Raywave. Alex Robinson. David Cohn. Thumbnail. Lanyepes. Franmele Reyes. It's a Jalexie. Trashbeard. What's up, Blake? Yeah, they're just released yesterday. It's 2022. Tops Chrome Platinum Anniversary. 1953 design. It's Morland. Randy Johnson. Red Atomic. Thumbnail on the Trey Turner. How've you been? So, Blake? Strasburg. John Hesley. Rookie Refractor. Thumbnail on the Stan Musial. Edgar. Torque and Wong. Miggy. Gold Refractor to 50. That is an awesome-looking card. Refractor with the sun glow in his face there. Jacob Robson. Bordo Rodriguez. Scott Rowland. Miguel Sineau. Refractor. He's still on the card. Yeah, Braves to 99. That is Blue Prism Refractor Auto. John Smoltz. Nice one, Braves. Thumbnail on the Max Munsey. Been pretty good here. Oh, it does, Blake. Yoel Pozo to 100. About that. That was a Peyton Henry. Satchel Page. Feltner. Tyler Glassnau. Max Fractor. It's a Rookie Yellow Ray Wave. Max Krannick. 250. Nice color match. Helio Ramos and Big Mac. Andrew Jones. Brewers, Mets and Rangers. Three to go on case four. The teams are on sale. Here is a link. And then for NT Football, we just have Bengals, Jags, Eagles, and Bucks. Yeah, oh, I get it. Yeah, my rent's almost 2K a month. Wander Franco. Rookie Refractor. Hummel and Altuve. Jose Ramirez. Adam Wainwright. Harmon Killebrew and Edgar Renteria. Yellow Ray Waves, 250. Jern Duran. Carlton, Yvonne Castillo. Rookie Refractor. Mary Sheffield. On Murphy and Oliva. Thumbnail on Garrett Cole. Judy Martinez. Mark McGuire. This is the 191 of 100. Do they have host families out there, Blake? Jake Myers. Paul Mazurowski. Refractor. Big Thumbnail on Tim Rains. Yeah, here he is. Luis Brioz. Rookie Red Atomic. 100. D-Backs. More Brioz. Oh, nice. Thumbnail, Xander. Belade. Marquez. Trevor Rogers. Oh, yeah, for sure. Chris Bassett. And to 199. That is blue. Clayton Kershaw. That's Platinum and Twal. White blue. Where'd you go? Kirby Pocket and San Martin. Thomas. Chris Taylor. And Trey Turner. X-Fractor. Alfonso Rivas. Smith. And to 100. Cooper Hummel. Rookie. So, Kane. Jax. Robbie Ray. Refractor. George Springer. Carter and Marlins. Rookie Otto. Peyton Henry. Luis Frias. Joe Maurer. That is 81 of 100. Lamejew. CJ Abrams. Winders your season, end Blake. Rolls Chapman. Five weeks left. Nice. Jack Lopez. Rookie X-Fractor. Rosarena. Jack Flaherty. 299. Arnie Clement. Rookie Aqua Lava. Alec Beaum. Lubaab and Winker. Joe Ryan. And Padres. Otto McKenzie Gore. That should be a Rookie Otto. I don't know why there's no Rookie. And no Rookie logo on that. There should be. Jim Tome. King Felix. And Kevin Smith. Rookie to 199. George Foster. Mookie. Nicoledolo. Rookie Refractor. Carson Kelly. And Lowe. Paul Molitor. Cory Seeger. Miguel Sineau. Blue Mini Diamonds. Don Trell. Matt Olson. Ricky. Hey Alvin, how you doing? So, two to go in the next break. Two and four to go on Top Scrum Platinum Anniversary. Four on National Treasures Football. Jeremy Pena. This is Rookie to 199. Astros. That's Platinum 12 White Blue Refractor. Otto Lopez. Hernandez. Mr. Fairchild and Castro. Marte Rodolfo Castro. Rookie Refractor. Jeremy Pena Rookie. That's Jake today. Greg Maddox. And to 50. Jim Bunning. So good, man. Jackson Kaur. Ted Simmons. I know, dude. I know. I'm happy for him. He's been arguably our best pitcher this year. Yvonne Castillo. Red Atomic to 100. Royals. Another Castillo. If you consider the whole year. Brian Dela Cruz. Let's do a quick recap. Bassados. Marlins Rookie Peyton Henry. Pirates Rookie Rons. Contreras Tigers Rookie Zach Short. Marlins Rookie Brian Dela Cruz. Red Sox Rookie Connor Wong. Royals Rookie John Heasley. Refractor Otto's to 199. Padres. There should be a rookie on here, but that's Padres Mackenzie Gore. Twins Curtis Terry. Royals Rookie Aqua Refractor Otto to 150. Yvonne Castillo. Royals. That is Blue. 99. Rookie Otto. Yvonne Castillo. Braves. Blue Prism. Refractor Otto to 99. John Smoltz. D-Backs. Blue Prism. Refractor Otto to 99. That's Rookie Louise Frias. Cardinals. Orange Refractor Otto to 25. Paul Goldschmidt. Mariners. Aqua Lava to 25. Aqua Lava Rookie to 250. 299. Julio Rodriguez. Nationals. Red Lava to 5. Nelson Cruz. That'll do it for the break. Thank you everybody. Case four is up next.